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We wanted everyone, let me welcome all of you to the Orange County Board of County Commission meeting of August 25, 2026.

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As we began this morning, I'm going to call on Commissioner Myra Rebae to introduce her guests who will be bringing the invocation.

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And then after the invocation, I'm going to ask Commissioner Rebae if she will lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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After the pledge, our communications division directed Dr. Jeffery Williamson will come forward and

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read proclamations, recognize and run, fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, awareness day, and

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two hunger action month, and then he'll introduce the government fleet, leading fleets of

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award, and we'll have staff come forward for that presentation.

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And with that commissioner, you'll re-be your recognized at this time.

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Great. Thank you, Mayor. I can barely see you guys over those new desk. Good morning everyone and good morning colleagues

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It is my honor to introduce father Derek Santana who's a priest of the Catholic Dices of Orlando has serves as pastor St. Thomas Aquini's parish and school in St. Cloud and

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St. Francis Xavier Cabrini parish and Lake Nona. Father Derek was born and raised in India

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where he obtained a bachelor's degree in business, worked in the IT industry for a few years.

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He migrated, he immigrated with his family, T. and I did states in 2009, and received his

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master's degree in educational administration from the Franciscan University of Stuponville in Ohio.

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He entered seminarian to become a Catholic priest and was ordained the priest in May 25, 2019

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at St. James Cathedral in Orlando. He has served at St. John B. Andy Parish in Orlando,

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my parish and anunciation parish in Altsamon Springs before taking charge in his

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current assignment where he leads people in their faith journey and in the practice of works

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of mercy.

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In his free time, Father Derek enjoys reading, especially about history, politics,

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and economics. And he really does love politics. And if you're fancier

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self-unfacebook, he enjoys being on there. I am honored to have him here as my

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guest as he's been a leader in our parish and a close friend to our family. So

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with that, please, here's Father Derek.

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Let us bow our heads in prayer.

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Heavenly

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Father, we give you thanks and praise for this new day. We thank you for all the

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sings you pour out on us on our communities and in a special way on our county. We pray

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today for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon our county leaders, upon our mayor and

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the commissioners in a special way. Grant them wisdom, fortitude and right judgment in their

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decision-making and governance. May they always work to uplift the dignity of every person

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and work for the common good. We pray for unity and understanding during this meeting. May our

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work give glory to your name and build your kingdom. May peace reign in our hearts and may peace

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reign in our world. We ask this in your most precious name, Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God in the visible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right. Thank you very much. Commissioner, thank you, Mayor.

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As the mayor said, there are two proclamations for today.

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First one is for fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, awareness month, FASD awareness month.

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The proclamation reads, whereas fetal alcohol spectrum disorders is the umbrella term that describes

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the range of effects that can occur to an individual who is exposed to alcohol before birth.

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And whereas according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, it is estimated

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that 14 to 15% of pregnant women aged 18 to 44 reported using alcohol during pregnancy, which

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can cause lifelong impairments preventing individuals from living independently.

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And, whereas, according to a study published in the Journal of American Medical Association,

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FASDs affects one in 20 children in the United States, and whereas, it is estimated that

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over 90% of children with FASD will develop comorbid mental health conditions, and where

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Our study suggests that as many as 60% of adolescents and adults with an FASD have contact

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with the criminal justice system array 30 times higher than the general population.

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Whereas early screening, identification and treatment of affected individuals can improve

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the child's overall development and raising awareness of FASD can potentially prevent

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physical, behavioral, and learning disabilities.

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And we're after refraining from all types of alcohol in any amount is recognized by medical

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professionals as a fundamental element in preventing and preventing infants against FASDs and

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whereas it is important to increase awareness of how an FASD may present an individual's

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across their lifespan and the ongoing need for services and support.

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Now therefore, Jerry O' Demings by virtue of the authority vested in him as the Orange County

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mayor, does yet by proclaim the month of September, 2026, as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders

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awareness month in Orange County, Florida, and invite residents to show their support for those

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impacted by a prenatal alcoholic exposure by wearing red shoes or clothing on Wednesday, September

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9th, 2026, in observance of this day. Then at order of this 25th day of August, 2026, signed by

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the mayor and all six members of the Board of County Commissioners. Accepting the proclamation

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is a champion for this call. Please welcome Mr. Spencer months from the law firm of Vulgan months

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months.

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It's okay. This is a sensitive topic to us, but I'd like to turn the time over to my wife to just say a few things.

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And I apologize ahead of time. I am going to read when you're a disability parent. If you know,

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you may have gotten zero sleep or maybe an hour or two. So to spare us all, I'm going to read. So I don't ramble.

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Mayor Demings, commissioners. Thank you again for recognizing September as FST Awareness Month for Orange County.

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For several years, we've had the privilege of coming before this very board to raise awareness about this disability, five years ago, much of our challenge was simply making an often invisible disability visible, since then, thanks to you guys and many others, we've seen real progress, Orlando now has dedicated FASD diagnostic services, Florida has created a statewide FASD program, Orange County as a part of that.

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Health Care professionals are receiving more training to recognize and respond to FASD.

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I'm also working with the University of Florida on a multi-year study supported by an NIH grant.

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The FASD community is so thankful.

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Thanks in part to the mayor and Orange County's continued support.

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Florida is becoming a leader in this cause, but the work is far from finished.

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Years ago, I was a struggling mother desperately searching for answers for my children.

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And we were fortunate enough to find them after many years of struggling.

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But many families don't find that relief.

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They don't find the answers.

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Most individuals with an FST go completely miss or undiagnosed.

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Leaving families in survival mode without even knowing why or how to get out of it.

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This is why awareness matters.

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In matters for prevention, early diagnosis, appropriate services, acceptance and dignity

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for the FASD community.

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When we better understand the brain,

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we can better support the individual.

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Orange County, thank you for your helping us

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keep this conversation visible year after year.

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Around the world, Red Shoes have become a symbol

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for FASD awareness through the Rockier Red Shoes movement.

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On September 9th, people around the entire world

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put on their Red Shoes to start a conversation

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and to show support for our community

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that is impacted by FASD.

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And that brings us to these shoes.

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Mayor Demings, on behalf of the local FASC community,

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we'd like to present you with these red sneakers.

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So you, too, can rock the red.

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This set 10th or 9th.

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As a mother, I am asking everyone to take action where your Red Shoes start the conversation or simply take the time to learn about FASD.

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chances are with the statistics we all know someone impacted by an FASD. Together we can

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continue to make the invisible visible and help support them. Thank you for continuing to stand

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and literally walk with us in your Red Shoes with the FASD community.

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During the photo is Dr.

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Tom Hall from our drug free office here in Orange County. You will hear what you

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all don't know

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is the mayor has a pretty mean jump shot.

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So he may be able to use those sneakers.

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All right, thank you very much, my family.

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Thank you very much, Mayor.

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Our second and final proclamation is for hunger action month.

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Hunger action month and the proclamation reads,

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whereas hunger and poverty are issues of vital concern

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in Orange County with 15.3 people, 15.3% of people

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experiencing food insecurity and uncertainty

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about their next meal.

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And whereas Orange County is committed

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to working with second harvest food,

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Bank of Central Florida, a member of the feeding

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American nationwide network of food banks to educate people about the critical role of food

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banks in addressing hunger and raising awareness of the need to develop more resources and

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attention to hunger issues. And where our second harvest food make of central Florida and its

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305 partner agencies have distributed more than 32 million meals to individuals in Orange County

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in 2025. And where our second harvest food make of central Florida distributes 300,000 meals

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every single day throughout its seven county service area in central Florida, through its network

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of food pantries, soup kitchen, shelters, and other community organizations, where I said

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timber is designated as hunger action month to bring attention to food insecurity in our communities

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and to at least the public in the movement to end hunger by taking action including volunteering,

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social media shares, and donations to ensure every community has the food they need to thrive

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And whereas food banks across the country, including Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida,

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and as partner agency network, will host numerous events throughout the month of September

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to raise awareness and help end hunger in their local communities.

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Now, therefore, Javier O'Demmings, by virtue of the authority vested in him as Orange County Mayor,

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does he above proclaim September 2026 as hunger action month in Orange County,

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and encourage all residents to work together to put an end to hunger in our area.

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done in order this 25th day of August, 2026, signed by the mayor and all six members of the Board of County Commissioners.

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Accepting the proclamation is Derek Chubbs, Mr. Chubbs is the president and CEO of Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida, Mr. Chubbs.

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Good morning.

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And my Florida allergies are getting the best of me this morning. So bear with me as I grow through this.

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Thank you, Mayor Demings, and members of the County Commission for this recognition.

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But, more importantly, for your continued partnership and addressing hunger in our community.

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As you've just heard last year through our network of over 300 partner agencies,

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second harvest distributed more than 32 million meals to residents of Orange County.

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Across our seven county service area, that number rose to 84 million meals.

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You know, changes in our broader environment made it increasingly difficult for many of our neighbors

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to access the assistance that they need at a time when 1 in 7 central Floridians face uncertainty

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around where the next meal is going to come from.

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And a large percentage of those happen to be our children.

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That's why partnerships like this that we have with our county means so much and are so important

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to us. This county is consistently invested in our neighbors and in other organizations like us

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working every day to serve them. Last year alone, the county's commitment to second harvest

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and to our partner agency network provided more.

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More than 3.1 million meals to Orange County residents. But your commitment doesn't stop there. It goes beyond financial support.

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Mayor Demings and Commissioner, you have personally shown up to our distributions and worked organizing these distributions, working on Saturdays, working on holidays, you've shown up, and I will tell you that's the type of leadership that really matters.

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On behalf of Second Harvest Food Bank, our partner agencies and most importantly, the neighbors

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who depend on our services every single day.

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I want to collectively thank you for your continued partnership and unwavering support to

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our calls.

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We are so proud to stand alongside you in this war, I guess, Tonguear.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Chubs, for all the hard work you do with Second Harvest Food Bank.

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And we have one last very special presentation, a very special award and recognition today.

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The government fleet leading fleets award.

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We have one of the best fleet managers in the country that works for us.

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I'm going to call on Brian Lucas, the manager of Orange County's Management Division to

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come forward and tell us a little bit more about this award.

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Mr. Lucas.

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Good morning.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Commissioners, Administrative Books, Brooks, for taking the few minutes to recognize our team.

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This is another top 20 finish for our team this year in 2026.

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It's a fourth one since 2020.

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So, what we're very proud of that with all of our challenges in problems that we have.

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Government fleets are unique operations and differ from commercial fleets for many reasons.

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It's a challenge keeping a diverse fleet of well over 4,000 county vehicles and heavy equipment

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assets moving and in service so that our customers and departments and divisions of the county can serve the citizens.

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This award recognizes our team's dedication to getting that job done well.

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We are very proud of this recognition because this is a pure judge award.

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Other fleet managers, many of them are former number one winners of this award.

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are the ones judging it and voting on this.

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This is the fourth time, like I said,

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that we've won this award since 2020,

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and in the top 20 since 2020,

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we are far from perfect.

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We have many challenges,

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but this recognition shows that Orange County fleet

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continues to follow industry best practices

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to overcome those challenges now and in the future.

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This award recognizes our team's hard work and we have a few of them here today. We couldn't bring everybody

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Unfortunately, but we have a small portion of our team. They are the ones taking care of our customers day-end day-out

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It's their hard work day-and-night all types of weather our shops are not air conditioned

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So it's pretty miserable out there the last few months

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And then all different other types of conditions that make this a word possible. They are the ones who do the hard work and they're the ones out there

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taking care of it. We can't bring, like I said, we couldn't bring the whole team, but this

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is a small representation of all the areas of our shop operations. Again, thank you for

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your time, and thank you for taking a few moments to recognize our team for this award.

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We do appreciate it. Thank you.

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I do want to say a few words and recognitions of our fleet

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management division and the leader Brian Lucas. I want to recognize the best dressed

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fleet manager in all of America in the 45-plus years of my public service. I've had

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the privilege of working with a number of fleet managers and by far he dressed as

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better than any of the ones that I have worked with and he talked about the fact that

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And there's over 4,000 specific counting people.

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He manages one of those is my government vehicle, and I've had to call him sometimes in my vehicle, stop don't be in various places, and he got me back up and running, so I'm very grateful to the work that you're doing with over 3,000 plus counties in the United States of America, being recognized among the nation's leading government fleets, is a tremendous accomplishment.

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As Brian has said, this award marks a fourth time since 2020 that our county,

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a fleet management had been ranked among the top 20 leading fleets.

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The leading fleets award is open to government fleets throughout the United States and Canada.

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This period judged award as a value-weighted by government fleet professionals

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who recognize organizations that demonstrate excellence in efficiency, leadership,

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innovation, future vision, and the ability to overcome challenges. To be recognized,

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repeatedly at this level, speaks volumes about the talent, dedication, and forward-thinking

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approach of our fleet management team. So congratulations to Brian and his entire fleet

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management division for earning the respect of your industry peers and for continuing

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to set the standard for innovation, leadership and excellence in fleet operations.

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It is now my pleasure to present the leading fleet award and the award reads, government

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fleet leading fleets, presented to Orange County fleet management for recognition as number

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In 2017, a fleet in 2026, congratulations and please come forward and be happy

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to see you.

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All right, now we'll all to a great start this morning with the swearing-in of Commissioner

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Michael Crab, a brand new commissioner who was joined us on the day of this is his first

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Board of County Commission meeting, won't be the last however, so as we move forward this

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morning, we're going to move to the next item on our agenda, and this is the public comment period

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time, we're going to invite members of the public to come forward for topics of interest

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of concern that are within this board's authority, however there are certain matters which

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are not appropriate for public discussion during this public comment period. With the exception

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of the contract award for traffic infraction detectors, these matters would include pending procurement

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on land use issues or concerns that should be properly brought to another board. Also we will of course

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solicit public input during each public hearing a schedule for this afternoon. With that

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Mr. Thamulo, do we have members of the public present who should be here this morning?

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We do, Mayor, and my my quirks. We have 57 speakers this morning.

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Okay, with that, I'm going to advise all speakers this morning that you will have...

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One minute, by which to plead your case, you can do it.

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Who will experience now? I know it can be done. So stay within the one minute, a period of time, and we invite you to come forward.

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We do have a full agenda this morning. That's why we do have to, we want to be heard, but we also have other items on the agenda.

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and we want all of those for those I and also be heard.

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So with that, I'm Sophia Mula, perhaps we'll begin in the autumn,

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which you have received the request to speak.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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All right, folks, I'm going to call your names in batches.

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When I do, please line up along the back wall

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of Perch the podium in the order called,

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when you do Perch the podium, please be with your name

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and address for the record.

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Our first speaker this morning is going to be Joseph Anthony

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Let me just check and see if there are any elected officials here this morning who want to speak.

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If so, we'll give elected officials some grace in their comments.

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I know I saw a few layers, Matt, Matt Johnson stepped out, Matt Critton, I know he was here earlier, okay,

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okay, if you a former commissioner or a former elected official, I'll even give you some grace, but we'll start with the current ones.

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Dr. Jim Moya, were you intended to say anything this morning?

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Do you want to come in?

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No, okay.

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So, Dr. Moya, you out first.

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Good morning, Mayor.

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Commissioner.

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My name's Dr. Jim Moyer.

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And as always, I'm here speaking on behalf of

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I'm still in water conservation district to and myself alone.

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Congratulations, Mayor Crab.

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Congratulations on a beautiful new day as it looks gorgeous.

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If I can, here, saving.

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It's as easy as one, two, three.

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Save a few drops and save some money.

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stop a few pollutants, and together we can make a big difference.

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The purpose of soil and water conservation districts is to work in conjunction with other

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government entities like Orange County in implementing land and water resource protection practices

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by assisting guiding and educating the public.

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I've been honored to have the opportunity to have monthly office hours in the community,

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including Eatville, Zellwood, Apoptia, and Acau.

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At these office hours, I'll provide one-on-one assistance for a personal plan to conserve

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water and prevent pollution, water pollution,

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discuss conservation tips and how everyone

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to save money and suggesting for how to stop

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and prevent pollution of Northwest Orange

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Lates and water bodies.

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I've been promoting what I call three seas,

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change your habits, conserve water use,

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and clean water bodies.

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So, if I'm here at the Orange County, thank you Mayor and commissioners for allowing me to have sell wood monthly office hours on Willow Street and in Zellwood and thank you so much and God bless all of you for everything you do.

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Thank you, Donna Moya. We'll move to our next speaker, please.

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Alright, for speaker again, it's going to be Joseph Anthony Cresanelsky, followed by Casey

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Gourlich, Cole Neesmith, Alan Levi,

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Amaya Burrell.

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It looks like some of the names not be here, so first name to the podium may begin.

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Good morning, my name is Alan Levi, I live at 535 East Harding Street, Orlando, Florida, that's district tree.

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Thank you. Thank you, commissioners, welcome Commissioner Crab. Good morning, Commissioner.

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Compholar Diamond. Thank you for all your efforts and your upcoming votes to ensure that the least of us are most vulnerable.

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Those experiencing homelessness are supported.

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That is a blessing for us all.

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This is a reminder that those experiencing homelessness

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are less likely to commit violent crimes than housed individuals.

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Most arrest involves sleeping, just sleeping outdoors.

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Living on the streets is extremely dangerous.

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You're exposed to weather, to violence, to illness.

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But you need to sleep, you need to eat, and you need access to those basic needs that becomes

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your whole day.

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In the end, making life affordable, getting everyone shelter for the least of us, promotes

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a better life for all of us.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Next week, please.

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Hi, Cole Neesmith, 1312 North Furn Creek Avenue, Orlando, 3203, on behalf of

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Orlando's artists, I want to say thank you for the county's ongoing support of art and

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culture.

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I know that we all believe in the power of art and culture and that is why immerse

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art communities and you will performing in interactive arts, destination, festival, started

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14 years ago as a group of artists who believe that artists have the power to transform

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our community for the better.

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And here is a little message from about 200 of those artists.

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So that's about 200 artists from here in Orange County who say thank you for your support

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of support of art and culture and for a nurse specifically as you consider that today.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Nesmas.

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We'll move to the next speaker, please.

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Hello, my name is Casey Gallagher, Good Morning Commissioners Mayor.

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3, 2, 4, 4, 9, 8, Magnolia Ridge Drive, 3, 4, 7, 4, 6.

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My name is Casey Gallagher, I'm an artist producer and someone who is quite literally grown up alongside the Dr. Phillips Center.

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The Orange County Canvas Cultural Plan calls for greater access for the arts and stronger support for our local creative workforce.

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I believe the Doctor Phillips Master Plan can make that vision a reality I know it because I've lived it.

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In 2014 I was hired at the Walt Disney Theatre to open it.

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My first professional job in 2015 I was a part of the very first applause award in event that has now grown the Walt Disney Theatre.

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In 2024, I performed at the opening of Jetsons Live in in 2026, I'm returning to Jetsons Live to perform my own show.

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I don't share those things to boast, honestly, I'm feeling incredibly blessed that I've continued to find myself at the right place at the right time.

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But I share those things because I grew up in this place.

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The Doctor Phillips Center gave me a professional environment that helped shape the artist and the professional that I am today.

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That's why the proposed 750 seat theater means so much to me.

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not just about tourism, it's about shaping the artists here at home. Thank you.

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All right, thank you for coming. Okay,

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to everyone present, this will be the only one

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and you will have. Okay, while we're in these proceedings, you cannot, I will make noise of any

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type, shout, clap, do any of those things. If you support, you can wave your hands, you can do various

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things but do not make noise. This is your only warning. Otherwise, I'm going to ask that you

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be escorted out. Okay. I'll weekly.

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Thank you very much. Next speaker.

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Thank you. I figured

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a picture is worth a thousand words. I only have a minute. I guess I'm done. But Tom Naret,

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1, 4, 6, 2, 0, Joe, Sarah, drive Orlando, Florida. 3, 2, 8, 2, 6. I'm here to speak about

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Senate Bill 686 along with a fair number of other speakers will be very concise today.

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I've given you a handout there with a checklist if you will on the back.

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So I think the picture really speaks to things very clearly.

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We are in dire straits and we need all of you here.

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My simple request as well as the others is for legal analysis outside.

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Under the county here, to really look at Senate Bill 686. If you look at that second draft, it's the checklist, if you will. I don't care if you're concerned about costs or proper local land use authority, et cetera.

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Run down the list. It's not a single item. It's almost every item on the list. We need your help. We appreciate the fact that you guys have helped us shut down the high density request from Lake Pickett North.

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or susten them on two, maybe three occasions before.

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So again, we appreciate the request for outside council.

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Thank you.

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All right, I got a Tom, what was your last name?

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Narett, NARUT.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, we'll move to the next week of please.

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Good morning, Mayor.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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My name is Amaya Burrell.

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535, Creekside Park Avenue 32811.

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I am here on behalf of the Dr. Phillips Center

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Department of Education. I believe that their master plan gives students a lot of students

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a unique opportunity to grow and learn as artists. I'm a former Broadway performer,

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I perform with a Lion King National Tour for 11 years, and I, if I had the unique opportunity

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since I moved here to Orlando to work with the Dr. Phillips Center on various projects, such

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as the applause award and some are intensive workshops. And so I've seen firsthand the

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impact that the Doctor Phillips Center Department of Education has on the community and on

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students.

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I love seeing the students look on their faces when they are performing and so I believe

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that giving them the opportunity to grow and giving them more space to grow is going

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to be vital and essential to allowing these students the opportunity to find themselves as performers.

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I first hand, I was a performer, I grew up within the arts, I had that opportunity within

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the community. And so giving them that space to do that is so important. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you very much. We'll move to the next speaker please.

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Last two names in

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that bunch. Joseph and then Sana Hefiz barring those. The next speaker is going to be Zachary

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mold off followed by Ben McCarney, Liz Conner, Maria Fernanda,

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Syvietra, Hope, Bellamy, and Nelson Batoncourt.

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Salam Leico, Sana Hafiz, 3-2-8-1.

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I attended the meeting on the 12th regarding Timber's scan with Neighborhood Services Division

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Manager Jason Reynolds and later Commissioner Mike Scott.

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Jason reiterated, again and again, how Orange County had already invested $3.5 million in

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Timmer's scan, as if to defend the county against the fact that these residents had been

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underserved. In the same breath, Jason stated how the conditions of Timmer's scan were

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irredeemable and unsafe. He stated that the county and I quote, couldn't keep investing

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tax dollars into Timmer's scan because it isn't fair to the rest of Orange County residents.

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Interesting words to say to a community of almost 60 families facing displacement after

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years of neglect.

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None of the lengthy PowerPoint presentation

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answered the legitimate questions residents had.

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One, what concrete protections will there be

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so that the roughly 60 families in term of scan

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will be guaranteed equivalent housing in Orange County?

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We all know that providing case workers alone,

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who are already overburdened, will not say families

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from homelessness.

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We know this.

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Band-Aids do not help when a clinic is needed.

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Two, what assessments have been made regarding the cost

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effectiveness of demolition versus preserving and repairing?

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Who conducted these assessments if completed and when?

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I asked these questions on the 12th and still do not have answers.

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Three.

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Other residents raised questions about how proceeds from the sale will be distributed.

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And if debt owed to Orange County would be taken off the top prior.

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Commissioner Scott mentioned.

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No problem.

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I urge you to table the vote until an audit has been completed.

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And please think of the rising homelessness crisis.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you for your comments.

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We're moved to the next speaker.

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We have a new system, and this is the first time that this system has been used in the public.

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So we're still getting used to how it operates, so I'm sorry for that.

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All right, yes, sir.

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Good morning, Ben McCartney, 1606 Park Lake Street, Orlando Florida 3 2 803, the morning mayor

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and commissioners. I am the General Manager of Grand Boheem in Orlando, soon to be Hotel

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Bowden. And I'm here to speak on the Downtown Initiative's Dr. Phil.

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Hello, it's performing our center in the master plan. As somebody first hand, that is in the hospitality

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industry, I see the impact that it has on our revenue, our ability to employ people of the city.

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It's been a great impact so far. Dr. Phillips, annually, brings in over 910,000 guests to

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theaters with 175,000 coming from out of town. That impacted $12.9 million to hotels directly

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in the city. The 800 seat event center will help drive more economy to our downtown facility

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from that standpoint. So I strongly urge the support of Dr. Phillips performing our center

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and also the partied rise for the four-to-sister sports.

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All right, thank you for your comments.

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We'll move to the next speaker, please.

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Ladies and gentlemen, good morning,

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I'm Mayor and County Commissioners.

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My name is Maria Fernanda Sabeda.

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I am an independent artist community leader

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and artistic director of California, Colombia,

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for dances here in Central Korea.

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My journey with these,

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I'm gonna be talking on behalf of Inmers.

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My journey with this festival began in 2015 when it was part of the Creative Sea project later evolved into what we know now is in Mary's.

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I have the privilege of witnessing the growth transformation firsthand.

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Through in Mary's, I have been able to bring normally Colombians in my community, but also collaborate with artists from different groups representing Mexico's pain,

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Venezuela, Panama, Puerto Rico and other communities.

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For an independent artist, opportunities like this matter,

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in MERS had provided local artists with a professional platform

441
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,060
to perform rich new audiences showcase their work

442
00:42:12,060 --> 00:42:14,520
and build meaningful artistic opportunities.

443
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,780
As someone who has spent more than 35 years in the arts

444
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:22,640
and has built an unlit and artistic organization,

445
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,980
I understand how difficulties to create.

446
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,520
All right, thank you, Ms. Paul.

447
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,320
I have a big organization.

448
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,560
We really need to first see what's like in Mary's.

449
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,100
Thank you.

450
00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:34,400
Thank you very much.

451
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,840
We'll move to the next speaker.

452
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:47,340
Good morning, commissioners, mayor, staff.

453
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,420
On a part of me, I'm a little bit extra burden today.

454
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,940
Some extra Kyoto time.

455
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,340
I appreciate the opportunity to come down here and address you all.

456
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,040
It's now like four years.

457
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,300
I've been coming down here.

458
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,860
And I feel like you've all had the opportunity to see me grow and change in this community.

459
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,780
After running for, I can pause so you can start that timer.

460
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,760
You just started naming that.

461
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:15,340
My bad.

462
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,380
My name is Zach Moldoff.

463
00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:20,140
My full address is in the written record.

464
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:23,180
My zip code is 32792.

465
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,100
I reside in district five.

466
00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:28,020
You know, when I ran for a election,

467
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,380
I knew to expect some unexpected things.

468
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:42,440
But what I did not expect was for local elected officials to use rhetoric from national politicians that put minorities in our community at risk.

469
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:51,580
And unfortunately, when I brought this to the attention of elected officials who are championed in this community as heroes for justice and freedom,

470
00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:54,720
they told me that they didn't know what I was talking about.

471
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,280
They pretended that it wasn't happening.

472
00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:04,760
Those champions claim that the minorities who are suffering simply don't matter in this community.

473
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:11,480
I'm just here today to remind everyone that being a Democrat doesn't mean that hate is justified.

474
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,120
Doesn't mean that anything you choose to do is okay.

475
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,300
Democrats can still be wrong.

476
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,300
Democrats can still hurt people.

477
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,420
Democrats can still be the reason why people in this community are denied their humanity.

478
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:25,440
Thank you.

479
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:28,060
All right. Thank you. Next speaker, please.

480
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:28,940
Good

481
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:48,160
morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

482
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,220
My name is Liz Conner.

483
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,420
I live in District 5.

484
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,160
We're Land of Florida 32820.

485
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:56,300
I'm here to speak today about agricultural enclaves in the cost of urban sprawl.

486
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:59,980
Based on the urban 3 presentation you received last year on...

487
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Subtimer 30th. As you already know, Orange County is sitting at a net negative of $200 million net per acre.

488
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Mayor, I cannot agree with you more on that day. You said that I quote residents deserve to know the facts. The community deserves to know the facts.

489
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:29,040
Our community deserves to know the truth and is up to you, the board, to help communicate that. Another speaker from staff also said that we will eventually share with you, the board, whether or not,

490
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,680
particular proposals are a positive or negative in physical impact.

491
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,960
I'm here asking use of taxpayer, we deserve to know the negative costs associated with

492
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,420
developments, especially giant mega developments in East Orange County such as LPN.

493
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:49,740
So I would just ask that we be able to see what this would look like in the future and cost

494
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:50,520
inflation included.

495
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:53,400
So thank you for your time and always denying this in the past.

496
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:54,140
Thank you.

497
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:54,620
All right.

498
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:55,440
Thank you very much.

499
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,380
So next week, please.

500
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,620
My name is Nelson Bettencourt, 5350,

501
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,300
in Scaly Street, Orlando, Florida, 32812.

502
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:16,090
The TTT task force did not agree to fund

503
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:17,790
the expansion of the Convention Center

504
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:20,650
or the construction of the baseball stadium.

505
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:23,430
The government is not just a cost center

506
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:25,930
that collects taxes and then hands these dollars

507
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:27,050
to private enterprises.

508
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:30,790
When we developed non-tax revenue streams,

509
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:33,310
we can also create a shield to protect us

510
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:36,290
from unforeseen and autocratic measures.

511
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:40,710
Orange County has a great opportunity now to take better control

512
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:44,550
of its finances, public services and environmental stewardship,

513
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:47,970
regardless of the impending repercussions of the November vote

514
00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:49,210
on property taxes.

515
00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:53,370
By using TDT funds to finance a public enterprise

516
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,590
in the construction of a publicly own hotel

517
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,710
on the 35 acres of land considered for the construction

518
00:46:59,710 --> 00:47:01,130
of a wasteful stadium.

519
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:08,630
The hotel complex would create an unbeatable synergy with the Convention Center using the 523

520
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:12,230
million or readily requested to expand the Convention Center.

521
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:14,530
Thank you.

522
00:47:14,610 --> 00:47:17,830
Thank you, Mr. Van Gogh, or next speaker please.

523
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:29,710
I'm one of everyone, hope, Bellamy, 1704, Desri, Coif, Florida, one minute, and I already

524
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:30,390
talk fast.

525
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:31,390
That's the main possible.

526
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:38,130
What are they have a chance to email Mary Council and it's time for everyone and so

527
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:44,350
Based on here to speak about nine years of being ignored prior to

528
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,430
Individuals here now get on board and then last eight

529
00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:52,850
I have brought innovation here eight years ago

530
00:47:52,850 --> 00:47:57,490
Now nine years later. We have an innovation center. I was ignored

531
00:47:57,490 --> 00:48:06,030
FIM initiative I was ignored. Now what we have in the innovation center LSD screen as I said about that four years ago

532
00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:09,590
Ons County we're eight nine years behind in tech

533
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:17,050
Grand Open was great but when they ended that day the equipment left a lot of manufacturers are using our software

534
00:48:17,050 --> 00:48:22,690
That we're building right here in Orlando. We have to do better to keep up. We're nine years behind in tech

535
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:26,110
All right, thank you

536
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:27,610
next speaker please.

537
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:33,790
I folks, I next batch of speakers is going to start with Rick

538
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:37,770
Bayard, followed by Brittney Rutherford,

539
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,460
Bahia Meroon,

540
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:45,640
Kristen Paul,

541
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:48,190
Katherine

542
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:49,170
Phillip,

543
00:48:51,550 --> 00:48:53,150
and Deborah Green.

544
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Morning commissioner. My name is Rick Bayard. I live at 5

545
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:19,100
4 2 6-terview and driver land of Florida. Rick Bayard and still work for Orange County. I'm

546
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,040
tourist development tax force, recommendations, and project

547
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,620
rankings.

548
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:26,540
The Orange Audub on Natural History Museum,

549
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:30,100
at Lake Apopt, the Burning Park will be renovated,

550
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,140
a renovated truck repair shop, and will

551
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:36,100
be the foundation of a museum reflecting the entire natural

552
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,980
and cultural history of Lake Apopt and the communities

553
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:42,680
that have grown up around it on the north shore of Lake

554
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:42,960
Apopt.

555
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,700
And I would like to urge you to consider

556
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:54,020
Seriously, the recommendations and rankings provided by the Pass Force and Mayor Chapina that groups that a great job

557
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:59,980
They cover a wide variety of interest groups. They took all of them.

558
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:14,320
All the interested letters heard re-presentations from them, and we're asking detailed questions from them and subjected them to a rubric ranking that clearly laid out conditions for acceptance by the broader community for PDT money.

559
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,840
Thank you very much.

560
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Next speaker, please.

561
00:50:22,570 --> 00:50:26,610
Hi, good morning. My name is Brett Rutherford, 552 to Autumn Ridge Road.

562
00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:32,550
So, Dr. Phillips recently requested 750 million to move forward with a variety of projects, including

563
00:50:32,550 --> 00:50:36,430
on-site parking, new theaters, and a large banquet-invent venue, where supporters describe

564
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:39,370
these investments as enriching and enhancing additions to Central Florida.

565
00:50:40,050 --> 00:50:43,330
It's important to consider the impact these projects will have on the workers who will

566
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:44,830
staff and sustain these venues.

567
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:48,770
Facilities like the Dr. Phillips Center can create employment opportunities, but those jobs

568
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:53,130
come with low wages, unveritipped pooling practices, limited access to health care and benefits,

569
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,370
and few opportunities to obtain stable, full-time employment.

570
00:50:56,890 --> 00:51:00,490
As a result, workers are forced to take on multiple additional jobs to achieve a reasonable

571
00:51:00,490 --> 00:51:02,890
level of financial security and central Florida's economy.

572
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:07,550
In one case, I personally encountered a worker had seven additional jobs within this industry

573
00:51:07,550 --> 00:51:08,610
just to make ends meet.

574
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:12,390
I urge you to look beyond the physical infrastructure and consider the people who will make

575
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:13,390
these venues possible.

576
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:17,310
Public investment should not only enrich and enhance central Florida's entertainment and

577
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:21,210
tourism offerings, it should also create dignified reliable jobs that provide workers with

578
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:24,470
Fair compensation, meaningful benefits, and a genuine opportunity for stability.

579
00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:28,330
Workers in Central Florida, this is a better, one job should be enough.

580
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,690
All right. Thank you. Next week of please.

581
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:38,830
Well, I'm Kristen Schuillapal. I'm at 1-4-4-8 Whitridge Drive,

582
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:43,190
winner-garden Florida 3-4-7-8-7, and I am speaking on behalf of support

583
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:45,790
in the Dr. Phillips Center's Master Plan.

584
00:51:46,410 --> 00:51:49,750
I was actually an actor in the very first show produced professionally

585
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:52,310
by Dr. Phillips Center in 2024 in the Pew Theater.

586
00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:56,330
And this year, I'm really proud to say that I was just the director for into the wood

587
00:51:56,330 --> 00:52:00,270
starring Jodie Benson, surrounded by an entirely Orlando-based cast.

588
00:52:00,530 --> 00:52:04,150
This was the first sign that something was produced by Dr. Phillips Center in Simon's Hall,

589
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:06,310
so it was a real big honor to be a part of that.

590
00:52:06,930 --> 00:52:12,110
We noticed immediately that this space has kind of become outgrown, not only as Dr. Phillips

591
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:15,930
Center become a really important part of the city's culture and entertainment and tourism,

592
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:18,130
but also the educational department.

593
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:23,550
And the Education Department has become so big and so important to so many young performers

594
00:52:23,550 --> 00:52:28,210
hoping to become professional in this industry, and they just need more space, so I'm

595
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:29,070
in full support of that.

596
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:30,010
Thank you.

597
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:30,370
All right.

598
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:31,130
Thank you.

599
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:32,110
Next speaker.

600
00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:36,780
Good morning.

601
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:46,880
Deborah Green, orange adabon, PO box 274, Apapca Florida, and I'd just like to thank the commissioners

602
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:55,540
pushed for wider opportunities in TTT funding and Mayor Demings for assembling the task force.

603
00:52:55,660 --> 00:53:03,140
It was a great experience for us to present. And our project, the Orange Audubon Natural History

604
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:11,260
Museum at the Apoca Burning Park, is perfect for tourism. We are adjacent to the Lake Apoca

605
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:17,420
wildlife drive, which gets almost over a quarter million visitors a year, and these visitors

606
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:23,740
are adding that on to their stay at the attractions. So it's benefiting not only West Orange

607
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:30,640
County, but the tourist district by extended days, and we appreciate your consideration.

608
00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:34,820
Well, thank you for your comments. Next.

609
00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:39,190
Good morning, Mayor.

610
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:47,470
commissioners. My name is Dr. Bihiam Maroon Castleberry Florida 32707. The Eatonville Museum

611
00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:54,090
of Culture and History led by Dr. Phillips Charities is the right project at the right time

612
00:53:54,430 --> 00:54:02,190
to achieve a positive tourism impact for Eatonville and Orange County. For more than a decade, Eatonville

613
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:08,190
residents have been clear. There needs to be a museum celebrating all of Eatonville's legacy

614
00:54:08,190 --> 00:54:14,350
and there needs to be wheel action. Members of the Eatonville Initiative Advisory Committee,

615
00:54:14,350 --> 00:54:19,850
including myself, have been consistent in engaging Eatonville residents and the feedback

616
00:54:19,850 --> 00:54:25,910
about the hunger for its site on which the Eatonville Museum will sit, is consistent. Eaton

617
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:33,450
Villains want the campus to be of service to the community. Today, I am here to put a spotlight

618
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:39,490
on the many Eatonville residents who support Dr. Phillips Charities and the Eatonville Museum

619
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:46,530
of Culture and History because the time is now for this local gem to become a cherished

620
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:47,870
national treasure.

621
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:49,310
All right.

622
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:49,870
Thank you.

623
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:51,410
Is it Dr. Maroon?

624
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:53,230
Is that Maroon you have?

625
00:54:59,490 --> 00:54:59,970
All right.

626
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:12,190
Good morning, Catherine Feld, 911, Weber Street, 3203. I'm a local researcher and practitioner who focuses

627
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:17,750
on youth development and community education. I'm here today because I'm participating in a new

628
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:25,530
national initiative to connect researchers like myself with local policymakers. This project covers

629
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:31,510
any child and family policy challenge that you're facing here in Orange County. The process

630
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:37,730
is easy, after today's meeting I'll follow up via email, and further describe the initiative

631
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:42,750
including a way to sign up to meet with me. You may also share it with any other individuals

632
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:48,410
who work on children and family issues in the county. For those interested, we'll have a short

633
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:52,950
meeting to learn about the challenges that you're facing and where research might be helpful.

634
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:59,250
Based on that, I will create a short summary of existing research to help guide your decision making,

635
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:02,230
share it with you and talk through it with you.

636
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:04,590
All of this is at no charge to you.

637
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:07,470
Thank you, I'll be happy to answer questions

638
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:08,790
and follow up.

639
00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:12,210
Okay, I'll look to the County Administrative.

640
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:16,010
Who do we have on point that's going to follow up

641
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:17,770
with as a Ms. Phil?

642
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:20,940
Okay, got it.

643
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,080
Yes, we have our folks from the Community and Family Service

644
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,620
who I know have reached out to you.

645
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:28,160
As a better way to contact as a conduit

646
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,580
for doing that work.

647
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:35,860
So I know they have your number, they're spoken, oh, there she is, I just see you then.

648
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,580
So she'll follow with you.

649
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,440
Okay.

650
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:40,780
Thank you.

651
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,180
We'll move to the next group of speakers.

652
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:44,500
All right.

653
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,260
Folks, next speaker is going to start with Pamela Sybel.

654
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:50,100
Followed by Bradley Renner.

655
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:52,380
Terry Olson.

656
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:55,680
Amaria Smith.

657
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:58,660
Lisa Lopez.

658
00:56:59,980 --> 00:57:02,240
and Curtis Gellidge senior.

659
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:06,820
All right, Miss Sanville.

660
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,180
Good morning, everyone.

661
00:57:08,380 --> 00:57:09,620
It's good to be back here.

662
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:10,960
And this looks really nice.

663
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,800
And as a homeowner, taxpayer, residing east of the East of the E.

664
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,360
Kind of real boundary, just South Lake Picket Study, I and others are very concerned about this

665
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,960
Lake Picket North application, and the negative implications, including financial to us, the taxpayers

666
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,680
in the county.

667
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,820
Therefore myself and others are grateful to the staff for the recommendation for denial

668
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:32,440
for the LPN application.

669
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,380
We have been communication with numerous organizations

670
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:37,740
that attorneys and they found multiple reasons why.

671
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,240
This application does not meet the criteria.

672
00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:45,960
We are concerned the county staff has only listed one reason

673
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,840
for denial when we feel there should be multiple reasons.

674
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,680
Whew, can we please get a legal analysis

675
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,840
before this application comes back?

676
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Before the Board of County Commissioners

677
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,260
since the bill preempts our constitutional rights.

678
00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:04,440
Even though applicant withdrew their application with their long history, they will be back.

679
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,500
Appreciate denial of this high-density development in the past by you.

680
00:58:09,220 --> 00:58:13,500
Please stand up for us your constituents and have a legal analysis conducted.

681
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Thank you.

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And a reminder, rural boundary and fiscal sustainability.

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We're past.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, and just the county attorney's office is doing legal analysis.

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we are ready in litigation. So we will brief the board of kind of commissioners and an appropriate

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time as well as a member of the public regarding that litigation of current state law.

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Next speaker. Good morning Mayor Demings and Commissioners,

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Bradley Renner, Executive Director at Orlando Ballet, 600 North Lake for most of the drive in Orlando,

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32803. In 2018 Orlando Ballet became the first recipient of Orange Counties Arc program, receiving

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a $4 million TTT investment for Harriet's Orlando Ballet Center. That public investment

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leveraged an additional $7 million from Harriet Lake, propelling us to become a world-class

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cultural asset. Orlando Ballet reaches more than 130,000 audience members through performances

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:26,880
an educational programming annually. Our experience demonstrates that public investment in arts

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infrastructure generates measurable returns through economic activity, tourism, and private philanthropy.

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I respectfully urge you to support the task force recommendations, including $100 million for

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arc and increasing funding for arts and cultural affairs to 7%. These investments will address the need

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the cultural facilities identified through the Canvas Plan and ensure multiple organizations

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throughout Orange County have the resources to serve our community and advance our reputation

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as a world-class destination.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And thank you for your comments. We're moved to the next speaker, please.

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Mr. Terry Olsen.

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That's my name, Terry Olsen. Our tinsigate. Now I'm on one note, shine.

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The curious says the upon a mischaracter in the highly rated TV show Ted Lasso.

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Curiosity brings tens of thousands of tourists to Central Florida. Curiosity also inspires creativity. To the natural resources we have in Orange County are great weather in a large community of creative.

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this brought here by primarily about the theme parks,

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,560
creative city projects, immerse, capitalize on both the weather

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and that creative culture.

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More than one orange county plan has emphasized the value

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of having a creative blockbuster event

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and of celebrating the many facets of humanity

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found in our community.

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Fusion Fest and immerse started the path towards that end.

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We can build great buildings and we do,

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but it is creative experiences that touch the hearts of people

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and create lasting memories.

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I encourage you to support immerse to be the world-renowned creative event it can be.

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I'm curious to see what creative experiences they will bring us.

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These creative experiences are why I'm glad to live in Orange County.

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All right, thank you, Mr. Olson. Next week of please.

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Good morning, Mr. Mayor and members of the Board. My name is Amaria 321.

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I'm here today not to plead for empathy but to place a matter of fact assessment of legal and financial liability on the record ahead of today's vote.

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Since 2014, Orange County has allocated $3.5 million to timber scan, the fact that

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substandard living conditions persist is not a justification for demolition that will instantly

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displace 60 families into historically overburdened mental market, and it is an indictment

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of the county's administrative management.

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A vote to demolish is complex without a legally Bonnie fully funded one to one housing

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replacement guarantee exposes this county to severe liability.

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Reliant on standard case worker relocation is a administrative failure in weighting.

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As the county has yet to present online item budget showing where these 60 families can legally

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and afford a baby house.

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If this board votes for demolition today without an immediate alternative rehabilitation plan,

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it is a confession of municipal mismanagement.

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To the mayoral candidates and current board members seeking an election,

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the public is no longer listening to your rhetoric.

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We are tracking the data.

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We are tracking the 3.5 million already spent and we will track the exact economic and human

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cost of the displacement you're about to off the rise. I urge this board to table today's

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vote into a comprehensive independent audit of the $3.5 million is made public and illegally

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binding housing for its protection plan for these 60 families is codified. Thank you.

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Okay, Ms. Amaria, are you a resident of Timmer's scan? No, I'm not. I'm a concerned citizen.

746
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,520
That doesn't think that this is right. What we're doing. Okay. Thank you very much.

747
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Thank you. All right. Next speaker please.

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01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:54,350
Good morning, Mayor Demings and

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commissioners. Lisa Lopez, 2,500, maintenance center Parkway, 3,2751, and I'm the vice president

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at non-perl Institute, which is a post-secondary program providing technical skills, work readiness, training,

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and social stills, trainings for adults with autism. A couple of those classes involve community

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01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:17,030
and culture and valuing the community. And through Dr. Phillips Center, community give back

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program our students have had the opportunity to experience the arts, connect with their community

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beyond the classroom. For our students these experiences are much more than attending a performance.

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There are opportunities to navigate new environment, build confidence, share experiences with others,

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and most importantly they feel that they belong in the community in which they live.

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That is why the Master Plan matters.

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So expanding access will create more opportunities for people up all abilities

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to participate, connect, and experience everything our community has to offer.

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I strongly support Dr. Phillips Center, Master Plan, and we're expectably encourage and

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hope that you guys will support that as well.

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Thank you so much for your time today.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker, please.

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Good morning, Mayor Demings and Commissioners.

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My name is Curtis Gullich, 4498, McMillian Ridge Court, Cassidy Florida.

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I am super excited to be here to represent Dr. Phillips in the need for the expansion.

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I am a proud parent of one Casey Galluch who was earlier and he has made me a proud parent

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these past 15 years and doing all of the work that he has done at Dr. Phillips.

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We need more proud parents like myself to represent and I think it will be a great addition

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to our wonderful community.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Alright folks next batch of speakers is going to start with Alston Philips followed by Sean

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Welcome,

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Christopher Q, Matteo Schulti, David Siegel.

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In Cynthia Clayton.

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Good morning, Mayor.

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Good morning, Mr. Mings.

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Commissioner, my name is Alson Phillips.

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My address is 9438 whispering, metals, laying in the landlord of 32.825.

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My name is Alson Phillips. I'm a medically retired U.S. Army combat veteran who

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participates in Dr. Phillips Center Arts Hold on this program.

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I can personally tell you how meaningful these programs are to the veterans like myself.

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They give us a place to connect, create build relationships and simply feel like we belong.

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Dr. Phillips Center Master Plan would expand opportunities for arts wellness and community

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program it. What excites me most is the opportunity to reach more veterans throughout the community,

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to community who could benefit from these programs, but may not have found their way.

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Dr. Phillips, Senator's already serving our community in an incredible scale and this master plan

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will expand that impact making sure that more people, including veterans like me,

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have a place at that table. On behalf of the veteran community, I strongly support the master plan,

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because I've experienced this impact personally and want more veterans to have that same opportunity.

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The arts are not a luxury, there are essential pillar of public health, education, and economic vitality by approving this plan.

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You're expanding hope, healing, and opportunity for every resident and space and for those who live served this country.

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So I strongly encourage you to support it, and I thank you for the time.

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All right, thank you, Mr. Phillips. Next speaker.

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Good morning Mayor, commissioners.

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My name is Sean Welcome, address 4625, Tinsley Drive, or Land of Florida 32839.

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Earlier this year, we hosted the 34th Annual Southern Pride Poetry Slam Festival, the largest

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spoken word poetry competition in the country. Across five days, we hosted 250 poets

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from across 44 cities around the United States and a celebration of literary arts through

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performances, workshops, and community events. Visitors experience our museums, libraries,

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01:06:56,420 --> 01:07:02,100
restaurants and hotels while discovering all the cultural assets that make Central Florida

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unique. We demonstrated how arts and culture drive cultural tourism and elevate Orange County

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01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:15,100
on a national stage. As a growing nonprofit literary arts council of Central Florida,

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we see tremendous opportunity to expand cultural tourism. I respectfully ask for your support

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of the funding recommendations from arts and cultural affairs to strengthen our region's cultural

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and economic success. Thank you. All right, thank you, Mr. Welcome. Next, we can please.

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My name is David Seagull, a 1-8-6-8 corner of the Elaine Orlando, Florida.

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Can't tell my joke. I'm Mayor Glad to see you back here looking, I feel okay. I also want

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to compliment you on the E-bike defense. You won't have any kids trying to run you over.

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That's a very good.

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I thought as anti-terrorist shield side, good job.

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I want to address a brief of the issue of the TTT.

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I was looking at communities and municipalities,

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that we're getting funding.

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And I'm just saying, it might be something

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to take a look at when you're funding one community of 2,000 people,

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82 and a half million dollars.

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And it comes up to $35,000 a person.

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And then you look at an apca that's got $66,000.

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if you factored it, they'd get like 2.1 billion.

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This is kind of an interesting thing, and I know it evolves.

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But no one speaks for the people being taxed that pay that fee.

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So it's great to sit up here and say, here's this money, and everyone just say to you,

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oh, I deserve it.

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But I think you need to just really take a look at the fund for yourselves and not just

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kind of rubber stamp.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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May your and commissioners good morning, my name is Chris Kiyo, 1-2-5 East Pine, I had a short walk this morning.

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As you consider the TTT Task Force recommendations today, I want to share a personal example of what an investment in immerse can create.

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The Orlando Vocal Collective did not exist before Orlando before immerse gave us a platform that opportunity helped turn an idea into an arts organization.

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And earlier this month, OVC President sold out concerts right here in downtown Orlando.

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Two guests, I met, one from Portland, Oregon and the other from Columbus, Georgia.

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Discovered us at a nurse for the first time.

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And they returned to Orlando for this festival.

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And then traveled here again specifically to see our shows these past couple weeks.

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That is cultural tourism.

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Immersis creating artists, jobs, audiences, experiences, and reasons for visitors to return to Orange County.

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I'm living proof that it's impact exists beyond the festival weekend.

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I ask for your continued support of a nurse.

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As this process moves forward. Thank you.

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01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,180
All right, thank you.

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Next.

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01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:17,930
Good morning, commissioners and mayor. My name is Cynthia Clator. I live at 2.529, skin court in Orlando, Florida,

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3.2839. And I'm here to speak on behalf of the people in Timbscan or myself and my neighbor,

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friend and neighbor, Janet Ellery. We are both Ellery people in the community. And we were here a month ago,

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speaking how we are tired, we're ready to go.

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01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:37,950
Timber's scan has not been treated like a real community.

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It's been treated more like a dumping ground.

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We've got people come from the outside

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that keep continually dump, party,

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and do other things that's making it very uncomfortable

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to live there anymore.

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I got it meant that about a year ago when we opposed this,

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we get a valid effort to try and fix Timber's scan.

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And the Flores brothers did everything they could

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to try and improve the community.

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However, it just isn't possible.

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We tried everything in everything failed.

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So as at this point, that we think that it's time,

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and we're just tired, it's just time for us to move on.

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We're old enough, and I'm smart enough to know

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that you just get sometimes you just gotta say,

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hey, we're done, and that's where we're at now.

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01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:20,650
We just ask that when this does get approved,

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that you do it expediently, thank you.

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01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:27,690
So Ms. Clayton, since you're here, how old are you?

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And I was sent to you too.

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01:11:30,210 --> 01:11:30,530
All right.

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01:11:30,990 --> 01:11:31,930
And you live there.

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01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:33,150
I do live in Tiberskand.

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It's my primary residence.

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01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:40,290
And what is the sentiment of the majority of the people who live there?

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01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:41,070
It's mixed.

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01:11:41,130 --> 01:11:42,030
It's mixed right now.

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01:11:42,190 --> 01:11:46,030
A lot of us are really tired of it because we've tried to stop the dumping.

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01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:49,330
We've tried to stop the party and we have a hard time getting the police in there.

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01:11:49,630 --> 01:11:51,690
We can't get cable in there.

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01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:52,630
They've refused to come in.

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01:11:52,690 --> 01:11:54,430
Our mail can't even be delivered in there.

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01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:56,450
It's at this point that it's.

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01:11:56,450 --> 01:12:00,890
people are are starting to get tired and some of them are there because they have no place

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01:12:00,890 --> 01:12:06,370
else to go so that's why some of them are a little hesitant and a lot of them are no longer

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live in there and they are just collecting rent and those are the ones that are called like

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to keep it there but the ones that are actually live in there are ready to go.

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All right thank you ma'am for your candor thank you. Next speaker please.

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All right next speaker

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is going to be Kara Blanco, followed by Johnny Stanley, Miguel Flores,

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Trini Keros,

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Melinda Sinclair,

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and Dana Hutchinson.

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You're welcome.

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,560
Good morning, Mayor.

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01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:06,980
Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Kara Blanca, the 66-16 Montelcourt, Orlando 320, and this is actually

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01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,680
So we're going to be a geared for Commissioner Crab.

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Welcome.

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Hopefully I'll get him to watch this.

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We can start in the plot.

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01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:31,810
And with the people of Clark Conocoli, one of at least five community groups.

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01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:33,970
We and the people of Clark Cart became nonprofit.

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All formed under the tutelage of Commissioner Christie, more in her amazing staff.

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01:13:39,450 --> 01:13:40,950
I read that Commissioner Crab.

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01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:48,630
you graduated from Evans, so he knows our area, its charm and its challenges, his 30 years

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01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:53,750
in law enforcement have given him, like Mayor Demings, a unique boots on the ground perspective

911
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:58,910
of how local government plays a critical role in the well-being of his residence. As

912
01:13:58,910 --> 01:14:05,030
commissioner, he is now part of the decision-making process ranging from public safety, infrastructure,

913
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:10,150
protecting the Clark County rule of settlement, business development, environmental protection,

914
01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:14,310
animal services to defending voter-approved charter amendments.

915
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:20,610
He is our new voice, our group wishes him God's speed and strength as he takes on his new

916
01:14:20,610 --> 01:14:24,350
responsibilities representing our communities in district 2.

917
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:25,970
Thank you.

918
01:14:26,050 --> 01:14:26,390
All right.

919
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:27,010
Thank you.

920
01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:27,990
Next week, please.

921
01:14:33,690 --> 01:14:34,730
Good morning Mayor and Board.

922
01:14:35,170 --> 01:14:38,330
My name is John Stanley, and I live at 1813, Karen, and Drive.

923
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:46,850
Just for the record, I'd like to state that the county was involved in litigation, but I believe that was on SB 180, and that was concluded by a judge.

924
01:14:48,010 --> 01:14:53,130
So I want to thank the board for denying custody in the past and meant the world to us.

925
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:55,670
We are so grateful for your support.

926
01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:59,970
Speaking on S Senate Bill 686, we're...

927
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,780
I'm asking for a legal analysis on 686 and for the county to get behind that and really do it in-depth

928
01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:16,320
dive. I want to understand how the county is working for us and how it's going to protect us from

929
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:21,640
the unfunded state mandate which the disdevelopment would bring with late-picket north-sustony.

930
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:28,860
Is it even legal to preempt our comprehensive land use plan? If it is, how are we going to be reimbursed

931
01:15:28,860 --> 01:15:39,120
as a community. We have the BCC to do the legal analysis and to get behind us like we

932
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,480
can support you. Thank you.

933
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,420
All right, thank you. Next week, please.

934
01:15:52,600 --> 01:16:01,480
Take me close, 2000 hill, Chris Orlando. Tax payers since 2023 up to now, 2026, have

935
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:06,240
We requested a TTT funds be used for more than entertainment.

936
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:13,900
There are human lies that are suffering and all of this suffering falls in death years from

937
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:18,560
the people that are elected and swore to serve them.

938
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:27,500
Romas, Romans, enjoy these circles and what happened to the victims and we seem to be having

939
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:31,340
2,000 years after the fact the same padding.

940
01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:42,500
The agenda today is 21 pages full of information as to where and who will gain more of a tax dollars.

941
01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:50,940
Remember, the people perished for lack of knowledge and the knowledge is in those who you elect.

942
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:53,120
Judge them for what they do.

943
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,840
All right. Thank you. Next.

944
01:17:03,340 --> 01:17:07,620
Morning Commissioner. Mayor. My name is Miguel Flores. I am

945
01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:14,820
owner of Timberscan Section 2 and I've been assigned by the HOA Board to be the

946
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:28,040
communicator. Mainly in written form. We are not opposing termination, but what we are

947
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,060
of parcels get compensated.

948
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,220
According to what they own,

949
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,080
this individuals that spend money

950
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,360
in fixing their condos,

951
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,520
this individual's own a parcels,

952
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,060
this individuals that have not fixed their condos

953
01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:45,100
and where we're asking for,

954
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:46,900
rather than just giving individuals

955
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:49,960
just where exhibit old framework

956
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,160
in addition to that,

957
01:17:51,620 --> 01:17:54,040
provides some type of

958
01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:06,980
God rails, like such as Chapter 718.117, that gives us some protections for homeowners that the only ones that have standing units from sections 1, 2, and 3.

959
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:15,340
We just want equal treatment based on the current situation and a true assessment of what's going on.

960
01:18:15,620 --> 01:18:15,800
Thank you.

961
01:18:16,180 --> 01:18:20,060
So, Mr. Flores, do you live there on units?

962
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:26,500
I own units. I was living there with my brother. Now I have a cousin of my living in there.

963
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,160
Do some emergencies. My brother still resized there.

964
01:18:30,380 --> 01:18:32,940
Okay. All right. Thank you so much.

965
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,000
All right. Next week.

966
01:18:38,860 --> 01:18:39,300
Hello.

967
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:39,860
Hello.

968
01:18:40,580 --> 01:18:42,600
Good morning, Mayor and commissioners.

969
01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:44,980
Well, first, my name is Nguyen Distance Claire.

970
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:48,220
My address is on record.

971
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,280
Good morning, Mayor and commissioners.

972
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,680
Our last meeting showed exactly why Orange County should not make a final decision about

973
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,840
timber scan yet.

974
01:18:56,300 --> 01:19:00,840
That meeting brought important issues to like questions about assessments on county owned

975
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:06,320
properties that may have may have may not have been paid to the associations, where the

976
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:11,020
leans connected to the buildings that were demolished can be removed or resolved, and where

977
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:16,040
the redevelopment can occur in phases instead of this place, this place in an entire community

978
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:21,160
at once. Those are not minor questions. They should, that could directly affect temperature

979
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:26,180
and finances and the redevelopment are alternative available to us. Yet, temperature

980
01:19:26,180 --> 01:19:31,640
as an entire community has had very few opportunities to sit down with Orange County

981
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:37,220
and fully discuss its future without severe time limitations. Before you decide on

982
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:41,960
receivership, give us the opportunity where the opportunity, we are asking for formal

983
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:49,940
working meetings between Orange County, all three associations, owners and residents, not just separate conversations with individuals.

984
01:19:50,820 --> 01:19:54,060
We cannot solve the case of problems in three-minute speeches.

985
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,740
Before you decide our future, give us the time at the table to help us plan it.

986
01:19:58,940 --> 01:19:59,600
Thank you.

987
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,860
Do you live on property or do you own property there?

988
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:09,100
Well, own property and I will be living back on property.

989
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,560
I'm confused. Do you live there now?

990
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:14,840
Well, not right now.

991
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,280
That's the question.

992
01:20:17,060 --> 01:20:18,240
Thank you very much.

993
01:20:21,660 --> 01:20:23,860
All right, we're going to move to the next speaker.

994
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:25,760
Good morning.

995
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:37,140
data Hutchinson 19246 lands down 32833. I'm here to talk about SB 686. Orange County

996
01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:43,800
voters overwhelmingly passed charter amendment for fiscal sustainability analysis. Orange

997
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:49,460
County spent taxpayer money to develop the fiscal sustainability tool. I'm asking

998
01:20:49,460 --> 01:20:55,280
you to proactively use that tool to determine the true cost of the SB 686 developments.

999
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:01,160
If the analysis shows that these developments are going to cost the county money, this

1000
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,340
could be a way to challenge this law.

1001
01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:06,680
I ask that you do a legal analysis now.

1002
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:12,500
As to whether this would be considered an unfunded state mandate, which the Florida Constitution

1003
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:13,400
prohibits.

1004
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,120
You have denied custody in the past, and we appreciate that so much.

1005
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,200
Find a way to do so again before they return.

1006
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:22,140
Thank you.

1007
01:21:22,140 --> 01:21:28,860
Okay, thank you for your comments and again, we are doing a legal analysis, we've been

1008
01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:34,340
involved in litigation over this matter for some time now, we're going to continue

1009
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:38,720
along that path, okay, all right, next speaker please.

1010
01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:45,440
All right, folks, next batch of speakers is going to start with James Hunter, followed by

1011
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:58,600
Sam Stark, Carl Speak, Christopher Stalder, Kim Buckeye, and Shared Crop.

1012
01:22:02,740 --> 01:22:03,120
All right, yes.

1013
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:04,020
Good morning, Mayor.

1014
01:22:04,340 --> 01:22:05,560
I'm James Hunter.

1015
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,640
I live at 93-27 Dull Circle with the mayor.

1016
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:12,620
And I've been a long-term volunteer with four to such sports,

1017
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,940
and I'm currently serving as President of FCS.

1018
01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:20,600
I'm asking for your support of the Camping World Campus Expansion Project.

1019
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:24,760
There's a number of exciting things happening on the campus right now with the renovation

1020
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,300
of the stadium, but also the construction of a new events center.

1021
01:22:29,380 --> 01:22:34,140
That's going to bring about a hundred events to the campus that we haven't had before.

1022
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,120
And a lot of families are going to be coming.

1023
01:22:36,740 --> 01:22:41,900
The biggest efficiency from the the current project that was identified the last time

1024
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:49,320
It went before TDT was the lack of adequate parking, and this project will fulfill, at least

1025
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,860
make a step in that direction by increasing parking capacity, make a very convenient to the

1026
01:22:53,860 --> 01:22:59,220
event center and the stadium, as well as provide some other facilities that will greatly enhance

1027
01:22:59,220 --> 01:23:00,280
the campus.

1028
01:23:00,780 --> 01:23:02,080
So, I appreciate your support.

1029
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:02,700
Thank you.

1030
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:03,860
Thank you, Mr. Hunter.

1031
01:23:04,420 --> 01:23:05,240
Next speaker, please.

1032
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:21,860
I want to express my gratitude to Mayor Chapin and Eddie Morton and the task force for the citizens and the TDT review.

1033
01:23:23,620 --> 01:23:28,600
I may not know much about much, but I do know something about tourism and specifically sports tourism.

1034
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:38,880
This county has made a great deal of progress as it relates to the camping world stadium over the years and there has been progress in many ways.

1035
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:44,000
though to some of us a little slower than we would like for the economic impact and return

1036
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:44,920
that we know is there.

1037
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,400
But a critical next step is in front of you, and that is the funding for and construction

1038
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:54,760
of the parking structure proposed by and partially funded by the Florida Citrus Sports.

1039
01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:03,020
The stadium has a much greater potential for much greater economic and community impact, and

1040
01:24:03,020 --> 01:24:06,060
though not very sexy, this garage is critical.

1041
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:18,200
So, please continue to fund and enhance the stadiums, so Florida Citrus Sports, Go Sports, Orlando, Orlando City and Orlando City Soccer and the City can bring more major events in ROI in New York community.

1042
01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:18,940
Thank you.

1043
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:19,340
All right.

1044
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:19,740
Thank you.

1045
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:20,880
Next speaker.

1046
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:26,620
Good morning.

1047
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:28,180
Mayor and commissioners.

1048
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:33,820
On Christopher Stalder, 5102 Saint Germain Avenue, Bellow, Florida 32812.

1049
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:38,020
And I'm here as an advocate for the homeless with support Orlando shelters.

1050
01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:45,920
And I'm excited about the pathway to permanent housing, the Golden Rod project, and I also

1051
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:54,380
am hopeful about the purchase of the county of the hotel 200 rooms near the 33rd Street Project.

1052
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:59,980
And I was speaking with a city council member at the mayor's Highland.

1053
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:15,280
Light of the city address a couple of Fridays ago and he said the city is also looking to purchase a motel to help people with the pathways to permanent housing and also to be permanent support of housing for those with disabilities and limited income.

1054
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:28,520
And I'm hoping that they get something soon. They're already viewing something and they only have 2 million but they need six. So hopefully they'll help encourage partnership elsewhere.

1055
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,440
And thank you for all you do to help our most vulnerable neighbors.

1056
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,120
All right, thank you.

1057
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:36,500
Next speaker, please.

1058
01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:43,200
Good morning, everybody.

1059
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,500
If you need to stretch, stand up and do it.

1060
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:49,160
Kim Buckeye, 6,500 Swain Road, Apapa.

1061
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:52,120
Welcome Commissioner Crab.

1062
01:25:52,620 --> 01:25:55,340
So far, you are a big improvement over an empty chair.

1063
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,600
And I wrote that before you were out on break.

1064
01:25:57,700 --> 01:25:59,640
So that's a ha-ha-ha-l-o-l.

1065
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:05,260
But I look forward to working with you on matters of health, well-being and safety for the people of District 2.

1066
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:11,760
I recently served on the TTT Task Force as a representative for City of Apopkin.

1067
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:19,360
I want to thank Mayor Demings for his forethought and including all of the municipalities and everybody you included in that group.

1068
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:23,360
Because it made a very diverse group and I think it improved the product.

1069
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:29,560
were very proud of what came out of that task force and I stand behind it as published.

1070
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:39,720
We also need to look forward, there's much room to improve Florida statutes and county

1071
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,820
code to further expand the uses of TDT.

1072
01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:48,120
I think there's a full agreement on that, so let's work on that.

1073
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,940
I'm not necessarily volunteering, but I do have a hard time saying no.

1074
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:55,640
Ha ha, hello, hello, not really.

1075
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,440
All right, thank you, Ms. Buckeye. Next speaker.

1076
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:10,710
My name is Karl of Speaks. I'll leave at 18, 8, 32, Jackson Avenue, Orlando, Florida.

1077
01:27:13,050 --> 01:27:17,550
I have some questions about Senate Bill 686.

1078
01:27:17,550 --> 01:27:22,510
And what it could mean for taxpayers in our community.

1079
01:27:23,530 --> 01:27:28,210
These new developments are going to need services and

1080
01:27:28,210 --> 01:27:30,130
infrastructures.

1081
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:35,630
We know that the taxpayers end up paying for this,

1082
01:27:36,430 --> 01:27:41,570
not the developer, how can the state require

1083
01:27:41,570 --> 01:27:56,070
county to approve that are going to cost the county money. How is that legal and arms

1084
01:27:56,070 --> 01:28:08,570
county looking into this? I hope so. I asked you taxpayers that you are doing everything

1085
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:13,850
possible to protect from those COVID.

1086
01:28:14,290 --> 01:28:14,970
Thank you, Paul.

1087
01:28:15,230 --> 01:28:16,150
Thank you, Mr. Minks.

1088
01:28:17,150 --> 01:28:18,050
Next speaker, please.

1089
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,360
Good morning, Mayor and commissioners.

1090
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:25,800
Good morning.

1091
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,240
My name is Shared Crop.

1092
01:28:27,900 --> 01:28:31,720
Unite here at local 737, zip code 32809.

1093
01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:35,860
TDT dollars are created by the work of tour guys,

1094
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,420
front desk agents, ride operators.

1095
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:41,780
The people who work those jobs don't benefit enough.

1096
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:45,660
They are struggling with high costs, long commutes, and low wages.

1097
01:28:46,180 --> 01:28:48,240
You have many options in front of you.

1098
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:51,040
But none of these big projects are considered

1099
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,880
that will change these big problems.

1100
01:28:55,020 --> 01:28:57,260
But a project that will create a large number

1101
01:28:57,260 --> 01:28:59,980
of good tourism jobs would make a difference,

1102
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,140
and find a ways to unlock spending

1103
01:29:02,140 --> 01:29:04,660
to help workers would make a difference.

1104
01:29:05,540 --> 01:29:07,820
If you spend all the funds available now,

1105
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:10,480
you will close options in the future.

1106
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:18,360
On August 18, the TDC voted to approve the final TTT Task Force report, but there's an issue.

1107
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:21,920
The report apparently wasn't final until last week.

1108
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,080
So what exactly did they approve?

1109
01:29:25,540 --> 01:29:33,240
Public oversight shouldn't be a rubber stamp, the workers who power tourism economy and the taxpayers deserve better.

1110
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,380
Thank you.

1111
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,800
All right, Mr. Redwood, would you spell your last name for me if you don't mind?

1112
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,960
Yes, c-r-o-p-p crop.

1113
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:42,900
All right.

1114
01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:44,100
Thank you very much.

1115
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:45,840
Next week, please.

1116
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,780
Our next speaker is going to be Maria Martinez.

1117
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:55,000
Followed by Sarah Meyer.

1118
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:57,560
Eugene Stacardo.

1119
01:29:59,580 --> 01:29:59,820
Dave.

1120
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,180
Bucklers, and Nicholas Natali.

1121
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:27,420
Good morning, members of the Orange County Board of Commission and Mayor Demings. Congratulations on overcoming your recent health concerns. We all continue to pray for you.

1122
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:31,420
Very much, thank you. My name is Maria Martinez, my addresses in the record.

1123
01:30:32,340 --> 01:30:41,100
I don't believe any of you sitting here today on the DS are here because you wanted to have Tallahassee take over all local decisions and make the decisions for us.

1124
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:46,360
rather I think that you ran for office and got elected because you wanted to have a voice in this

1125
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,980
community that you love and care about so deeply.

1126
01:30:51,370 --> 01:30:52,830
You have helped us to feed the lake pick

1127
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:57,610
at North Project multiple times in the past has been said here already this morning, but big money

1128
01:30:57,610 --> 01:31:03,950
interests are relentless. The latest assault on hometown rule is Senate Bill 686, which once again

1129
01:31:03,950 --> 01:31:09,130
bypasses the ability of this body to determine what's best for our local community.

1130
01:31:09,810 --> 01:31:13,890
Mayor Demings and what may be the twilight of your incredible career.

1131
01:31:14,610 --> 01:31:18,970
I heard you say earlier that you have committed resources to assessing this matter legally.

1132
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:23,670
We hope and pray that extends beyond the recent litigation that was concluded by the judge.

1133
01:31:24,230 --> 01:31:32,270
And that you commit to continuing to all available resources into assessing how you can reassert local authority.

1134
01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:37,210
On this latest assault on hometown rule and government over regions Senate Bill 66.

1135
01:31:37,210 --> 01:31:41,790
All right. Thank you. Next speaker, please.

1136
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,360
Good morning. Mayor and commissioners. My name is David Buckles. I live at 967, Glenview Circle

1137
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:56,380
when I'm garden. I'm here as a board member of eight waves in the executive vice chair for

1138
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the I am Children's Museum. I will apologize for the emails you may have received your inbox

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might have been full from our support from around the county. But what I'm going to talk to you

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is some of you may remember Sarah Myers, who will be speaking next,

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01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:14,880
our executive director, speaking about a little girl on the plane,

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01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:19,820
towing the hand, heading home after her family visit to Orange County.

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I think that image is powerful, but I want to build on it for just a moment.

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01:32:24,620 --> 01:32:27,680
That little girl represents the kind of family visitors we're talking about,

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01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,820
that come to Orange County for the attractions. They already know,

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01:32:30,820 --> 01:32:33,760
but I am children's museum gives them another reason to stay longer,

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01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:40,520
spend another day here, eat another meal, experience something meaningful, and unique Orange County

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01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:46,440
experience of watching this clock. Every peer city that's closed the gap, Indianapolis, Houston,

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01:32:46,660 --> 01:32:50,740
Tampa, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, not Orange County. We have a History Museum of Science Museum,

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01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,260
but not eight children's Museum. I'd ask that you consider pushing through the Children's Museum.

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01:32:55,380 --> 01:32:58,020
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Balkos. Next week of please.

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01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:04,270
Good morning. My name is Sarah Meyer.

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01:33:04,270 --> 01:33:08,550
I live at 1, 0, 8, 3, 0, crescent lane, Claremont, Florida.

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01:33:10,510 --> 01:33:15,650
I am just so honored to be here with you all and have just a few seconds to share with

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01:33:15,650 --> 01:33:19,530
the missing gap of not having a children's museum in Orange County.

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01:33:20,350 --> 01:33:25,790
It doesn't just affect culturally people visiting, but it actually affects the local children

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01:33:25,790 --> 01:33:26,610
that live here.

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01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:33,630
Having that early childhood education kindergarten readiness exposure, able to play, create

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01:33:33,630 --> 01:33:40,590
art. Also the eco education opportunities through our two miles of outdoor trails as well as

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is all the incredible exhibits that will be built under a weather-proofed exhibit covering.

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But I just wanted to stop and say, what does that all bring together that it brings a return

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01:33:53,150 --> 01:34:00,710
and an investment back to Orange County, that families that fly here can visit and have something

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01:34:00,710 --> 01:34:09,530
accessible to get off the 429 and spend, you know, two hours. I think it's an incredible investment of 40 million per year regional impact.

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Thank you so much.

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01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:12,730
All right. Thank you, Ms. Myers.

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Next speaker.

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01:34:19,570 --> 01:34:20,610
Good morning.

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01:34:21,710 --> 01:34:24,470
Eugene Stacardo, 331, Roswell Avenue.

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01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:29,850
The core has issued a opinion on Lake Pickett's study area. Not good for the community.

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01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:33,350
who's been fighting for over 15 years against this sprawl.

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01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:37,390
I see Black clouds with a recent court opinion in SP686.

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01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:41,770
Please, Mayor of Commissioners, direct the county attorney into study options now.

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We have a fight in the near future.

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01:34:43,950 --> 01:34:45,310
Other counties are doing the same.

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01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:48,910
2024 citizens overwhelmingly pass the charter amendments

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protecting the rural areas and enacting fiscal analysis tools.

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01:34:52,910 --> 01:34:57,590
Urban 3 tools clearly shows development like Sassina does not pay for itself.

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01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:59,870
Plus the county hasn't even updated

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01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,340
The impact fees for developers. If the county fails to defeat this fall, taxpayers will make up the difference. November

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01:35:06,340 --> 01:35:11,920
the taxpayers face a question about property taxes. Yes, no. To protect local government from

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01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:17,420
tallyhassie. Please vote to direct the county attorney to do this research to defend against this

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Thank you.

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01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,340
Thank you, Mrs. Toccaru.

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01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:22,320
Next week.

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01:35:29,690 --> 01:35:29,770
Hello.

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To missioners.

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01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:32,750
My name is Nicholas Natali.

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I live at free 283 sits in District 1.

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I am here as part of Sunrise Movement Orlando.

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And promoting the star plan.

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But here specifically, I am talking in regards to Senate Bill 686.

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I request the board to do not only do illegal analysis of

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to on-play is but made that information public because a

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expensive sprawl is a tossy burden to us all.

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01:35:59,170 --> 01:36:03,130
And in regards to TDT, I urge the board to accept task force

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recommendation number 11 to explore alternative uses the TDT

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01:36:07,010 --> 01:36:09,690
that caplanded a recent study in which 70 sets of the

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respondents wanted TDT to do transportation.

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And I think we should reevaluate the 40% threshold for

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marketing, maybe that money to be used to promote specific

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events or to provide wraparound ads on buses. Also, we should investigate the county's

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01:36:25,570 --> 01:36:30,190
exposure to bonds and debt due to TDT projects, especially with interest rates so high

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right now. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to working with you. Star is on the

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agenda September 29th. Thank you. Thank you. Next week.

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All right, and this is going to be our last

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batch of speakers this morning, starting with Maria Trisgari, followed by Angela Emerson,

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01:36:54,940 --> 01:36:59,400
Monty Sullivan, and Giancarlo Rodriguez.

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01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:13,420
Good morning, Mayor, commissioners.

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Come forward.

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01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:16,900
I am a administrator byron Brooks.

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01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:21,160
I am a reachiscarry president and CEO of the International Drive Resort Area Chamber of Commerce,

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71512, Dr. Phillips Boulevard.

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01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:30,720
Our Chamber represents over 54,000 hotel rooms, hundreds of restaurants, attractions, seven major theme parks and more than a hundred thousand employees.

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01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:39,320
As you review the TTT Task Force recommendations today, we ask that you look closely at the economic analysis presented through this process.

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The Georgia State University analysis, the county's independent analysis, the Convention Center's economic assets, assessments clearly demonstrates the tremendous economic return generated by the Orange County Convention Center.

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01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:58,040
The Convention Center received the top ROI score, it ranked number one in job creation, and

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01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,200
it received the top tax estimate score.

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01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,820
These findings demonstrate the Convention Center provides the strongest economic return

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to Orange County and generates major benefits throughout our county through job creation,

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01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:13,920
Advilerum tax return, TTT tax return, and continued economic growth.

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With such strong results and given very close vote by the task force, we respectfully

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We ask that the Board of County Commissioners to take the necessary time to fully review and analyze the evaluation, the scoring, and the economic data before any final decision.

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This is an important decision for our future.

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01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:32,360
Thank you for your consideration.

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01:38:34,670 --> 01:38:36,110
Thank you, Mr. Scarry.

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We'll move to the next speaker.

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01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:41,290
Good morning, Mayor and Commissioners.

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I'm here on my own personal time as a resident.

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I live in the community of Eastwood at 1-4-7-29,

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Balthus Road Drive, Orlando, Florida.

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01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:57,770
In 2020, the DRC recommended approval of a substantial change to the Eastwood PD,

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01:38:58,070 --> 01:39:02,810
without realizing that major conditions of a 1986 approval remain unmet.

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01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:08,030
These weren't minor oversized but foundational requirements tied to flood protection,

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01:39:08,330 --> 01:39:10,990
wetland conservation, and federal clean water act permitting.

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01:39:10,990 --> 01:39:16,430
Army Corps permits condition remain unmet today, including wetlands required to be placed

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01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:17,830
in perpetual conservation.

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01:39:18,590 --> 01:39:23,470
Since 2020 residents continue filing complaints as the basin appears to be losing function

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01:39:23,470 --> 01:39:26,610
and capacity with deferred maintenance.

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01:39:27,010 --> 01:39:32,050
A substantial PD amendment is a moment the county reopens the original approval, but before

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01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:35,310
recommending anything the DRC is a duty to verify basics.

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01:39:35,950 --> 01:39:40,430
The status of all conditions of approval that as those for the drainage system exist

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01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:45,830
and match what was approved and that no EPD holds remain outstanding. None of this was confirmed

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01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:52,090
in 2020. Commissioners voted no, but the flawed DRC recommendation created a risk likely

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for any resulting litigation. Public safety demands that these verifications be mandatory. Thank you.

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01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,900
All right, thank you, Ms. Emerson. Next speaker.

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01:40:10,900 --> 01:40:21,280
Marty Sullivan, 91 Georgia Avenue, Winter Park, Orange County District 5. I ask that you exhaust and continue

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01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:31,340
to exhaust every legal avenue, fighting the proposed sustenance development. It is not merely an unneeded

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01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:36,540
high density subdivision in a fragile rural ecosystem.

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01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,420
Sustony is a direct hostile attack on home rule

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01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:46,640
and the democratic rights of Orange County citizens.

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01:40:49,860 --> 01:40:52,740
Senate Bill 180 is explicitly intended for her

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01:40:52,740 --> 01:40:55,780
came disaster relief and not urban density.

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01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:59,720
This is illegal multiple uses of a single bill

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01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:06,900
It is absolutely mockery of the law to force 1800 suburban homes into the protected

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01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:08,640
economy had she river basin.

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01:41:09,780 --> 01:41:17,200
In addition, oppose the Senate Bill 686 intent for agriculture on-clave.

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Stand with the 73% of Orange County voters who elected you to protect our community, preserve

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01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:31,840
our home rule and say an absolutely no to assassinate. Thank you.

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01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:35,280
All right. Thank you, Mr. Sullivan. We'll move to the next speaker.

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01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:41,870
Good morning. Orange County Board of Commissioners. My name is John Carlos Rodriguez. I live

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at 3203 and I'm here on behalf of the Sunrise of the Morelando, a youth flat organization

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01:41:46,030 --> 01:41:50,750
fighting for a more affordable Orlando. We are excited for the star up at Transit Plan to go in front

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01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:55,490
of the board on September 29th. Stars of real solutions to invest in public transit and address

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01:41:55,490 --> 01:41:59,730
our transportation and affordability crisis, and we encourage the Commission to vote yes.

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01:42:00,210 --> 01:42:04,390
But there are also actions you can take now to fight for a common vision for an affordable

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Orange County.

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01:42:05,550 --> 01:42:09,750
First, please move forward with the TDT Task Force recommendation number 11 and have the

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01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:12,790
county doing assessment of the amount of money being spent on destination marketing.

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01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:17,770
We may already meet the 40% threshold considering modern forms of marketing and may be able

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to use tourism dollars for transportation now.

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01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:24,650
Second, the county needs to conduct a legal analysis on whether Orange County has a legal position

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01:42:24,650 --> 01:42:27,990
in the fight against SP686, agricultural enclaves.

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01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:30,950
Agricultural enclaves encourage the expensive sprawl

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01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:33,550
that have made Orlando one of the most rent burdened

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01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:35,330
metrics in the country, worsening traffic,

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all while destroying our environment.

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Let's work together to continue fighting for our community

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and deliver the Orange County we know our residents deserve.

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01:42:42,110 --> 01:42:43,230
Thank you.

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01:42:43,630 --> 01:42:45,090
All right, thank you Mr. Rodriguez.

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01:42:46,230 --> 01:42:47,910
All right, do we have other speakers?

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01:42:48,270 --> 01:42:50,290
Mayor, that was our last registered speaker.

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01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:57,790
Okay, if there are no other persons present who wish to be heard during the public comment period

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01:42:57,790 --> 01:43:04,090
at this time, I do remind you that this afternoon we do have public hearings, we've got

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01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:08,890
a land use matters and there will be opportunities for public comment at that time.

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So I'm going to close the public comment period while there were a number of persons who

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01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:25,350
came for this morning to speak about timber scan and some invoke the name of

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01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:32,070
Commissioner Michael Scott. He has asked I'm going to give him a few moments to

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make some statements and with that Commissioner Scott you recognized.

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01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:57,620
If you will. Oh, okay. All right. Good morning and thank you, Mayor. I wanted to address

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of a number of things relative to timber scan for those who may not be aware and the residents

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01:44:02,020 --> 01:44:10,460
there. First, we had a community meeting approximately a week ago at Catalina Elementary.

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Prior to that meeting, I went to every door in that community by myself. Prior to today's meeting,

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again, I went to every door in that community by myself. I have zero concerns as it relates to

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01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:31,260
safety for the members there and I know that staff is going to continue to make efforts to reach

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them via phone, via email, via in-person contact to make sure that they are aware.

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What happens today with the item one that can send to agenda relative to receivership

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is to start the process to ask the questions.

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For several years we've talked about the Timberscan community, the counties investment, in

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01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:56,080
community relative to its investment in other communities that are simply situated.

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With respect to the resources in time.

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Item that the county has put in and the staff has put in. I have been incredibly grateful. What I want the members of that community to know is that this just starts a conversation. Nothing will happen fast, nothing will happen quick, and nothing will happen without your input.

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It is important to me that you will be involved in the process and that we will make sure that whatever transition happens even if it results in the termination of that community that you are made whole in a way that makes sense for your

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01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:35,960
family. There are several different family makeup, seniors, those who have disabilities, but

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01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,880
I just want you to know that this is not going to be a quick decision and there's a possibility

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that what does happen may outlive my time on this board. But please know that myself, my fellow

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01:45:48,340 --> 01:45:54,220
commissioners, the mayor and the county staff will not put you in a situation where someone

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01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:58,860
saying get out and you have no place to go. And so I want to make sure that's clear to the members

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01:45:58,860 --> 01:46:02,980
of that community, cleared to those who are watching them and not understand what's happening

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in timber scan. And I invite anybody who would like to be a part of the process to join me,

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for a tour or a meeting or a conversation to my knowledge. No one has approached the county

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with any development proposals. There is no money to turn it into luxury condominiums or anything

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01:46:21,860 --> 01:46:29,980
like that. We are just formally and officially empowering the County Attorney's Office, the

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County staff, and whoever may be hired in this process to formally explore what will happen

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with that community. Mayor, thank you for allowing me to speak prior to consent. And I'm

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good.

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Commissioner Severan.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. And it's it's really wonderful to see

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back congratulations. So I have a question just for the residents that came, they drove almost

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an hour here, paid tolls, you know, took a day off of where coming from the east side of

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Orange County. And I just wanted to make sure that I'm clear when I speak to them. The litigation

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that you were referencing, I just want to make sure because there was an existing lawsuit

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01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:25,360
pertaining to the removal of Lake Pickett North from the Lake Pickett Study area. And last week,

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That was when the judge made a determination on that case.

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To my knowledge, there is no case that's or a litigation or anything that's pertaining to Senate Bill's 686.

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And that's what they're specifically asking for.

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So I'm trying to understand the link so that I can be helpful to them in how they're trying to navigate this process.

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Well, obviously, the 686, 680, those are kind of overlapping issues and so when the county

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attorney's office does their analysis, it has to look broadly and likely because we already

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engaged in litigation that's on the periphery of this some very similar issue, their analysis

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this will encompass whatever strategies that we will move forward with.

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Obviously, if we end up in litigation, if litigation is imminent or existing, there may

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be opportunities for the Board of County Commission to meet in the shade to discuss our

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strategy. If not, then those conversations, some of those conversations may occur in the

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sunshine, but until they do their work and come back to the board, we won't make any

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definitive decisions today, obviously. And the item that was on their agenda for this

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have a new regarding Lake Pickin' North, of course, the applicant on that item, withdrew

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that item, and I'm sure that they have legal representation,

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and they will look at

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their legal options.

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We'll look at our legal options, especially as it relates to legislation that telehensives

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already passed.

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And so we will have to have those conversations

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about how we move forward with protecting our home room,

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01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:39,900
protecting our rights, the rights of our citizens,

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01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:45,080
and that's a bit premature at this point

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to without briefing you as commissioners,

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and then even brief in the public.

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So this is Evala, OK?

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01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:56,800
Great, thank you for the clarification, Mary.

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Thank you.

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01:49:58,440 --> 01:49:59,980
And with that, I'm going to move.

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Go to the county administrator to present the consent agenda on the stand there's item that may need to be pulled.

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01:50:10,260 --> 01:50:19,100
Thank you, Mayor. From the consent agenda and pull two items. First is I-7, under planning and environmental and development services.

1355
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:30,980
This item has to do with the mobile tuber over an ice shelter, it will be considered this afternoon concurrently with public hearing K-14.

1356
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:36,320
So again, moving I7 to be heard or considered this afternoon with public hearing K-14.

1357
01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:39,700
The second item is K-1 under utilities.

1358
01:50:39,700 --> 01:50:49,220
It's regarding the conserved agreement, the budget with what it in the current need to pull

1359
01:50:49,220 --> 01:50:55,860
that item for a separate action by the board so that Commissioner Crap can make its appropriate

1360
01:50:55,860 --> 01:50:56,720
statement.

1361
01:50:57,860 --> 01:51:07,600
That was K-K-1, K-1, okay, so with that Mayor pulling I-7 for this afternoon K-1 to be considered

1362
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,420
immediately following this discussion or this action on the

1363
01:51:11,420 --> 01:51:14,720
Senate agenda, and a staff submissive the remainder of the

1364
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:16,480
consent agenda for board consideration.

1365
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:24,400
With the exception of item K1, is the motion?

1366
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:25,760
Do you repeat the second scar?

1367
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:28,380
And I, and I, seven.

1368
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:29,220
Okay.

1369
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,360
Yes, I, seven, and K1 being pulled.

1370
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:42,540
I, seven, will be heard this afternoon with K-14, so we're pulling an I-7 for this afternoon,

1371
01:51:42,820 --> 01:51:48,020
K-1 will be pulled also, and we'll take up that vote separately.

1372
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:53,440
I will do have a motion by Commissioner Yeree Bay, the second by Commissioner Gomez

1373
01:51:53,440 --> 01:52:01,200
Gooddero, all in favor of the motion that it may not be saying aye, opposed no, a motion

1374
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:03,860
passes and it is unanimous.

1375
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:10,900
And now the item K1 that was full, I have the county

1376
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:13,000
on the administrative address that issue.

1377
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,360
So that matter is a pool of funding agreement

1378
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:19,960
at the Orange County Institute of Orlando regarding water

1379
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:23,460
conserve to joint facilities as the budget

1380
01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:26,540
with watered and current and commissioner

1381
01:52:26,540 --> 01:52:30,900
Crab needs to make his statement on that item.

1382
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:32,280
Commissioner Crab.

1383
01:52:40,300 --> 01:52:40,700
There goes.

1384
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:41,560
All right.

1385
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:42,320
All right.

1386
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:42,960
Thank you.

1387
01:52:44,020 --> 01:52:46,860
The Wooden Kern is a customer mine for the shirts up USA.

1388
01:52:46,860 --> 01:52:49,440
So I'm pulling that to make sure there is no conflict.

1389
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:50,780
And I filed the form with the clerk.

1390
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:52,440
All right.

1391
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:54,380
Any questions for Commissioner Crab?

1392
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:55,300
Okay.

1393
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:57,400
There'll be a motion.

1394
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:02,480
Motion for approval of item K1.

1395
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,100
Okay, one, a second by Commissioner Scott,

1396
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:14,720
it is okay, one, okay, and all in favor of the

1397
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:22,460
motion that we normally say, I oppose no, all right, the motion passes and it is the unanimous.

1398
01:53:22,780 --> 01:53:32,100
Okay, and Commissioner, minus minus, the Irish little vote, Commissioner Crab abstaining

1399
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:37,340
from vote for the conflict that he has apparently filed at this point.

1400
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:39,800
With that.

1401
01:53:39,820 --> 01:53:43,860
And Mayor, yes, the machine calls me for 20 seconds for a comment on.

1402
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:44,500
We will.

1403
01:53:44,500 --> 01:53:45,620
All right, I appreciate that.

1404
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,180
You may or may not know, but notice some today's agenda,

1405
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,600
but there was information regarding a street name change

1406
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:51,520
by the city of Orlando.

1407
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:55,780
I'm a steward of history, and I appreciate history.

1408
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,780
They are changing their name and honor of George Stewart's senior.

1409
01:53:58,780 --> 01:54:02,560
So the new name will be George Stewart Place.

1410
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:06,460
George Stewart Senior was an influential community leader who believed that if a community

1411
01:54:06,460 --> 01:54:10,440
provides a living for you and your family, you're obligated to get back.

1412
01:54:11,020 --> 01:54:15,760
He co-founded the Tangerine Bowl, now Citrus Bowl, the Orlando Union Rescue Mission,

1413
01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:18,980
the Christian Service Center and the Central Florida Capital Fund Commission.

1414
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:23,760
It was also the owner of George Stewart Inc., which was the largest office supply department store

1415
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:24,500
at the time.

1416
01:54:24,500 --> 01:54:48,100
Well, George Stewart Senior passed in 1976, his legacy of public service continued through his children and grandchildren, including George Stewart Junior, Jacob Stewart Senior, Charlie Stewart, Robert Stewart Senior, there's several more, but they all have worked hard in our community as well and I'm honored to share this information with you to appreciate the lasting contributions by George Stewart Senior.

1417
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:48,960
Thank you, Mayor.

1418
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:55,780
All right. Thank you, Commissioner Crab. Let me also with the motion that

1419
01:54:55,780 --> 01:54:59,980
pass regarding the remainder of the consent agenda. I want to highlight a few things.

1420
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,980
Just for the public benefit, I'd like to first the International Association of Five Fighters, a memorandum of agreement on today's consent agenda, addresses an additional modification to the approved contract between Orange County and the IFF Local 257, which represents our firefighters, our paramedics, dispatches, and other fighters.

1421
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:37,780
risk group personnel. As you will recall, the Board approved our collective bargaining agreement

1422
01:55:37,780 --> 01:55:47,840
with the IAF of local 257 at the May 19th, 2026 Board meeting. I'm pleased to share that our

1423
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:53,540
firefighters who remain actively employed with Orange County receive the retroactive

1424
01:55:53,540 --> 01:56:02,320
payments provided under the agreement in their paychecks, this past Friday, August 21.

1425
01:56:03,180 --> 01:56:04,620
So congratulations, firefighters.

1426
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:06,820
Don't spend it all in one place.

1427
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:15,760
As we continue implementing the agreement, the county management and the union remain engaged

1428
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:22,120
and discussions regarding certain impacts of the negotiated agreement, including potential

1429
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:28,300
salary and version affecting some employees that weren't further discussion.

1430
01:56:29,180 --> 01:56:35,780
Through those continued discussions, the county and the union worked together to reach

1431
01:56:35,780 --> 01:56:41,940
the memorandum of agreement before the board today, which further addresses those impacts

1432
01:56:42,300 --> 01:56:48,420
and provides for appropriate salary placement for affected employees.

1433
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:56,520
this board has consistently prioritized public safety and approval of this agreement

1434
01:56:56,520 --> 01:57:02,640
continues that commitment by investing in the workforce that serves and protects our

1435
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:10,800
community. 24 hours a day, seven days a week. This morning, the board also

1436
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:22,180
agree to pay $5 million to cover state mandated department of juvenile justice calls, allocated

1437
01:57:22,180 --> 01:57:31,120
to Orange County, and increase over approximately $1 million over last year.

1438
01:57:31,660 --> 01:57:37,920
Again, this is based on Florida Statue when juveniles are arrested and they are booked

1439
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:43,880
into the juvenile system, the state mandates that Orange County

1440
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:49,660
contributes to the detention of the juveniles in the juvenile system.

1441
01:57:50,420 --> 01:57:57,960
Now, we do have seven juveniles who are not being prosecuted as juveniles.

1442
01:57:58,460 --> 01:58:05,980
They are being prosecuted as adults, and they're incarcerated at the Orange County.

1443
01:58:05,980 --> 01:58:14,120
jail. They have to be separated, segregated, away from the adults, but they are in the Orange County jail.

1444
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:23,000
This particular contract is relative to those, all those other juveniles who are being held in juvenile detention.

1445
01:58:24,460 --> 01:58:26,960
Also this morning, I believe

1446
01:58:29,710 --> 01:58:38,610
that part, Orange County with the juvenile detention, Orange County is required to pay 50% of the state's calls for juvenile detention.

1447
01:58:40,490 --> 01:58:49,070
Again, this is an example of how we use our general phone and property taxes to meet state mandates.

1448
01:58:50,670 --> 01:59:01,130
Next, I'm going to help the homelessness division is renewing two contracts with a non-profits coalition from homeless and rise community solutions.

1449
01:59:01,130 --> 01:59:10,990
A $1.029 million contract with the RIS Community Solutions funds the Breakthrough Program, which

1450
01:59:10,990 --> 01:59:18,910
provides family peer support services, caregiver education, and support for those families.

1451
01:59:19,950 --> 01:59:29,390
A 522,000 dollar contract with the coalition for the homeless will provide emergency shelter

1452
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:33,590
housing focused case management.

1453
01:59:34,330 --> 01:59:41,830
We heard from a number of individuals today who are advocates for shelter for the homeless.

1454
01:59:43,150 --> 01:59:46,650
Through a 1.261 million dollar contract,

1455
01:59:47,390 --> 01:59:51,770
the Citizens Commission for Children will partner with the Florida Department of Health

1456
01:59:51,770 --> 01:59:59,930
to offer free physical examinations for Orange County U ages zero.

1457
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,900
roll through 18. That means infancy through 18. For more than two decades, the timber scan community

1458
02:00:12,340 --> 02:00:20,200
has experienced a steady decline despite the countenance investment of more than $3.5 million in

1459
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:30,980
stabilization efforts. That is far above any ownership groups or owners who have invested

1460
02:00:31,380 --> 02:00:39,400
in that same property. Today the Board took an important step towards addressing these conditions

1461
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:49,620
by initiating the process to terminate the condominium associations and transition the property.

1462
02:00:50,200 --> 02:01:05,680
Our priority is the people who live there and we will work with each impacted resident to provide resources and support throughout this transition.

1463
02:01:06,900 --> 02:01:20,940
This is the start of a long process and count a staff or commit it to continuing to engage residents and keeping them informed.

1464
02:01:23,590 --> 02:01:30,430
That also means some of those property owners who are not residents who are wrong property.

1465
02:01:30,430 --> 02:01:40,170
We also have a responsibility for bringing about the change that is needed and that dilapidated property.

1466
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:58,780
They have a responsibility as well to make sure that the residents and some cases their tenants are receiving adequate and healthy above standard living conditions.

1467
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:01,000
All right.

1468
02:02:01,740 --> 02:02:08,400
The consent agenda included two items related to the Orange County and Citadel Orlando

1469
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,840
ongoing collaboration that will support the continuing expansion and operation of the

1470
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:17,000
region's retlaying water system.

1471
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:29,590
2026 marks the 40th anniversary of the Joint Concert Two Project, which today has processed

1472
02:02:29,590 --> 02:02:44,320
over 375 billion gallons of reclaimed water for beneficial uses in lastly.

1473
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:53,040
Onchcount is somewhat unique from the standpoint that we are able to proactively and responsibly.

1474
02:02:53,680 --> 02:03:07,960
Utilize 100% of our treated retlaying water as reuse for purposes such as irrigation, aquifer, recharge, industrial cooling for power generation,

1475
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:16,920
and for this charges that provide environment of benefit, such as maintaining and rehydrating

1476
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:26,700
wetlands, reusing water helps to conserve, floorless fresh water resources and facilitates

1477
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:36,000
the protection of our vibrant ecosystems. Along with responsible conservation, water reuse

1478
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:45,980
We'll continue to play a very necessary and vital role in the water supply planing process for all of Orange County.

1479
02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:53,100
So a lot happened with the approval of the various consent agenda items this morning.

1480
02:03:53,860 --> 02:03:55,440
I wanted to highlight those.

1481
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:59,320
With that, we're going to move forward now to our discussion agenda.

1482
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:08,660
I'm going to call on this Tracy at the NACIO the assistant manager of the procurement division

1483
02:04:08,660 --> 02:04:13,760
to present the procurement committee recommendation regarding the selection of one firm and

1484
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:19,820
two ranked alternatives to provide design and engineering services for the I4.

1485
02:04:19,820 --> 02:04:25,500
San Lake Road interchange gateway improvements and the request for proposals

1486
02:04:25,500 --> 02:04:33,720
via 26-0808-G-O. For that, you are recognized.

1487
02:04:34,820 --> 02:04:41,190
The Morning Mayor Commissioner's Controller Diamond, the procurement committee has evaluated proposals for design

1488
02:04:41,340 --> 02:04:46,700
and engineering services for I-4 San Lake Road interchange gateway improvements.

1489
02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:51,880
I am requesting board selection of one firm and two-ringed alternates

1490
02:04:54,020 --> 02:04:56,180
as well as requested action.

1491
02:04:56,860 --> 02:04:59,360
Commissioner Samrad was assigned to the procurement committee.

1492
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,220
All right. With that commission, Senator, do you have a potential motion?

1493
02:05:13,580 --> 02:05:22,680
Yes, Mayor, I do. I move for this election of Kimley Horn and Associates being 334.50 points, with metric,

1494
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:31,080
engineering, ink, 317 points, and the nays, handgun, brustling, ink, 271.17 points, as the ranked

1495
02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:34,800
alternatives, as well as the requested action on the screen. Thank you.

1496
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:38,760
All right, we have a motion in the second is by

1497
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:44,600
So it didn't come up to the screen

1498
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:50,100
This is a new technology we got

1499
02:06:08,940 --> 02:06:10,800
Second oh, okay

1500
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,120
We're trying to

1501
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:21,840
I'll put it up on the screen.

1502
02:06:29,190 --> 02:06:29,270
Okay.

1503
02:06:30,530 --> 02:06:31,510
It's considered the agenda.

1504
02:06:31,970 --> 02:06:32,670
Okay, there we go.

1505
02:06:33,330 --> 02:06:34,350
That's a requested action.

1506
02:06:34,530 --> 02:06:36,270
We do have a motion in a second.

1507
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:42,930
All in favor, let it be known by saying, I opposed no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

1508
02:06:43,090 --> 02:06:47,950
Let the record flag, the commissioner, your rebate was not present for that particular vote.

1509
02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:52,650
With that, now we're moving forward to item A2.

1510
02:06:52,650 --> 02:06:58,370
And we're going to have Ms. Atenasio frame the sign of Ms. Will.

1511
02:07:01,510 --> 02:07:06,470
The procurement committee has evaluated proposals for construction, engineering, and inspection

1512
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:12,670
CEI services for the Reigns Road Winding Project. I am requesting board selection of one firm

1513
02:07:12,670 --> 02:07:18,250
and two-ringed alternate as well as a requested action on the screen. Commissioner Scott was assigned

1514
02:07:18,250 --> 02:07:19,470
to the procurement committee.

1515
02:07:21,490 --> 02:07:26,510
All right, with that commissioner Scott, do you have a potential motion?

1516
02:07:26,990 --> 02:07:27,430
A word.

1517
02:07:27,810 --> 02:07:33,510
I move for the selection of civil-site engineering incorporated with 281.67 points.

1518
02:07:33,970 --> 02:07:42,650
With GAI consultants with 263.3 points and CDM Smith incorporated with 262.67 points as the ranked

1519
02:07:42,650 --> 02:07:46,030
alternate as well as the requested action on the screen.

1520
02:07:47,530 --> 02:07:54,410
Okay, I did hear a second of the Commission of Crab.

1521
02:07:54,850 --> 02:08:00,190
It was a second on the motion I heard first and we'll get these microphones together.

1522
02:08:01,690 --> 02:08:11,210
With that on the favor that it would be known by saying, I oppose no motion passes and it is unanimous.

1523
02:08:11,210 --> 02:08:13,270
also let a record reflect the commissioner,

1524
02:08:13,630 --> 02:08:17,090
your rebate was not present for that vote as well.

1525
02:08:17,730 --> 02:08:19,130
And now we're going to move forward.

1526
02:08:19,130 --> 02:08:20,390
Thank you, Ms. Atonazio.

1527
02:08:21,490 --> 02:08:24,750
We are going to move to a work session on the item.

1528
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:29,890
And I'm going to call on Mayor Linda Chapin,

1529
02:08:30,050 --> 02:08:30,870
and Mr. Eddie Morten.

1530
02:08:31,310 --> 02:08:35,530
The co-chairs from our Orange County citizens

1531
02:08:35,530 --> 02:08:43,210
to a development tax development citizen task force.

1532
02:08:43,310 --> 02:08:45,590
All right, Mayor, it's open.

1533
02:08:46,830 --> 02:08:51,490
Good morning, Mayor, Comfort Audiment, Commissioners,

1534
02:08:51,930 --> 02:08:54,790
Task Force members, and certainly citizens.

1535
02:08:55,950 --> 02:08:59,690
I want to acknowledge my co-chair, who is,

1536
02:09:00,150 --> 02:09:03,390
I'm here to kick this off, he's going to finish it up.

1537
02:09:03,390 --> 02:09:09,890
And we are grateful for the time that you are giving us.

1538
02:09:10,450 --> 02:09:15,930
Mayor Deming set up this task force with two particular goals in mind.

1539
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:22,310
One was to get wide input from citizens across Orange County.

1540
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:31,490
The second was to assist in evaluating applications for TDT funding

1541
02:09:31,490 --> 02:09:38,450
that fall within the current statute, we wiggled a little bit on that one.

1542
02:09:39,470 --> 02:09:49,050
But I appreciate very much the fact that the mayor did decide to expose a lot of people

1543
02:09:49,050 --> 02:09:51,010
to this process.

1544
02:09:51,710 --> 02:09:57,090
I am particularly impressed with how many people have told me they watched it on Orange TV

1545
02:09:57,090 --> 02:09:59,970
and want to thank those folks because

1546
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:09,580
It is always effective for citizens to get a better idea of what tourism means to our community.

1547
02:10:10,260 --> 02:10:16,080
What it does for our community, the benefits and challenges that it offers.

1548
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:24,980
And I think that we can believe as task force members that we did advance that understanding.

1549
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:30,820
I understand that someone has described our process as messy.

1550
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:34,840
Well, I would not disagree with that.

1551
02:10:35,620 --> 02:10:39,340
It was a very large group of people.

1552
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:44,310
Maybe two large, although I would not sacrifice a single one of them.

1553
02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:47,220
Some were longtime friends.

1554
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:50,240
The others have become new friends.

1555
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:58,340
And so, I really appreciated the time and the effort and the work that they put in and

1556
02:10:58,340 --> 02:11:04,140
if there are task force members in the audience, they might be taking a break from county

1557
02:11:04,140 --> 02:11:04,980
work today.

1558
02:11:05,020 --> 02:11:08,040
But if there are some in the audience, please stand up.

1559
02:11:12,350 --> 02:11:13,810
Thank you.

1560
02:11:14,690 --> 02:11:15,610
Thank you.

1561
02:11:18,020 --> 02:11:22,820
These folks attended long meetings, they took time away from work.

1562
02:11:22,820 --> 02:11:31,480
They had a variety of disparate interests, which, of course, was the goal.

1563
02:11:32,180 --> 02:11:39,960
But when they disagreed, they did so with extreme civility and often, or sometimes humor.

1564
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:44,500
And we're careful to observe the sunshine law.

1565
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:48,100
We had lots of discussions during break about the weather.

1566
02:11:48,100 --> 02:11:59,580
And, although we could not, of course, come to total agreement on many issues, I do believe

1567
02:11:59,580 --> 02:12:06,580
that we achieved a degree of consensus that will serve the Board of County Commissioners

1568
02:12:06,580 --> 02:12:08,960
well as they move forward.

1569
02:12:10,650 --> 02:12:16,500
Consensus is never easy to achieve, I'm sure you have experienced that yourselves, but

1570
02:12:16,500 --> 02:12:21,900
We hope that we have assisted in the work that you have before you.

1571
02:12:22,700 --> 02:12:27,820
Let me be perfectly clear so that the audience members understand.

1572
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:36,640
We as task force members are not here to ask the Board of County Commissioners to endorse

1573
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:38,660
our recommendations.

1574
02:12:38,660 --> 02:13:01,860
We are here as part of a process to ask the Board of County Commissioners to recognize the work and to accept the final report of the task force, which was the action that the tourist development council took when we presented to them.

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And so we know that they will want to do a lot of their own work.

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02:13:10,980 --> 02:13:14,520
They may well wish to hear presentations from applicants.

1577
02:13:15,580 --> 02:13:17,380
They will debate among themselves.

1578
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:25,120
So those of you who presented to us and worked with us have yet more work to do.

1579
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:27,880
And so does our Board of County Commissioners.

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02:13:27,880 --> 02:13:50,020
I also want to particularly commend the staff that worked with us under very stringent and difficult conditions at a time when, as all of you know, and you all better than any, there is an awful lot going on in Orange County.

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02:13:50,020 --> 02:13:59,140
And so we appreciated the nights and the weekends that they gave to us and I feel that

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02:13:59,140 --> 02:14:02,940
I learned a lot about current Orange County government.

1583
02:14:04,020 --> 02:14:09,640
I will now turn this over to Rosanne Harrington, Chief Demings Chief of Staff, who will

1584
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:16,880
begin walking us all through the final report and those who participated in it.

1585
02:14:17,060 --> 02:14:17,860
Thank you.

1586
02:14:20,330 --> 02:14:22,490
Thank you, Mayor Chapin.

1587
02:14:23,050 --> 02:14:25,410
It's been a long time since I've been called Chief Dennis.

1588
02:14:27,770 --> 02:14:29,890
We got two of those in my household.

1589
02:14:32,730 --> 02:14:33,730
Yeah, neither case.

1590
02:14:34,230 --> 02:14:35,370
Good morning, Mayor.

1591
02:14:35,370 --> 02:14:37,170
Come to a diamond and commissioners.

1592
02:14:37,450 --> 02:14:42,550
It's my pleasure to be here to update you on the work of the TDTE

1593
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:44,290
Citizens Advisory Task Force.

1594
02:14:44,290 --> 02:14:52,090
And I want to thank, personally, Mayor Chapin and Eddie Morton for their dedication to this process.

1595
02:14:52,090 --> 02:14:59,950
They were very involved throughout the entire process, helping to make decisions and move things along, and a really pretty...

1596
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,380
We appreciate their efforts, along with the committee. We would try to be flexible and accommodate everybody's requests for how they wanted to see things done or compiled.

1597
02:15:10,820 --> 02:15:15,540
And so I'm proud of the work that they did and the staff and everybody involved.

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02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:19,200
So with that, I'm going to now kick off the presentation.

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02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:26,060
Today, we're going to be going over a task force overview, the economic analysis, survey

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02:15:26,060 --> 02:15:31,380
results, TTT, citizen advisory task force recommendations, and then you're going to

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02:15:31,380 --> 02:15:36,460
see a capacity presentation, and then we'll have questions, and then a requested action.

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02:15:37,680 --> 02:15:43,900
So as Mayor Chiepe and so eloquently said, that Mayor Dunnings put together a task force that

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02:15:43,900 --> 02:15:51,720
being on July 21st, comprised of 34 individuals from all over Orange County.

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02:15:51,920 --> 02:16:00,780
We had 11 municipalities represented from each of the commission districts, the mayor appointed

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02:16:00,780 --> 02:16:06,980
two chairs, and then we also had veterans, labor, and representatives from chambers.

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02:16:09,500 --> 02:16:11,620
Special thanks to our co-chairs.

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02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:22,100
And then here's the individual list of all of our members and as you can see, it's a very diverse list and we are very grateful for the time and efforts they put into this.

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02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:29,860
I think they were living together for about five days. They were working from nine to five and we really appreciate it.

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02:16:29,860 --> 02:16:36,820
I do want to mention that all of the meetings were live-streamed and then the tapes was put

1610
02:16:36,820 --> 02:16:43,040
on our website along with all meeting materials so that there was access for anybody he wanted

1611
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:49,540
to keep track of the process. My mother included. She watched every one of them. So the first meeting

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02:16:49,540 --> 02:16:57,500
was July 21st and in that meeting we had a stench of education on the TTT and I think everybody

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02:16:57,500 --> 02:17:04,500
benefited from that, and special thanks to Danielle Philippe, Assistant Manager of Financial and

1614
02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:10,880
Physical and Business Services, and also to Comptroller Diamond, and to Assistant Senior

1615
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:17,120
County Attorney Whitney Evers, for educating us on the statute, the History of TDT, and

1616
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:23,120
then Sunshine Law. The next three meetings we had presentations, and in the last meeting we

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02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,140
survey results and recommendations.

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02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:31,520
Now there were 24 interest indicators that the application

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02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:36,480
process actually started before their first meeting and this was that so that we could give

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02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:42,420
them more time to review the applications. The process started at June 30th and all the applications

1621
02:17:42,420 --> 02:17:48,700
were put together by July 16th and then at the first meeting they were given to every task force

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02:17:48,700 --> 02:17:54,560
number. So the 24 interest indicator applicants representing over three billion dollars in funding

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02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:55,260
requests.

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02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:02,740
20 applicants were selected to advance, two were deemed in eligible and two applicants which

1625
02:18:02,740 --> 02:18:09,300
were each had 15 minutes to do a presentation and 15 minutes of questions. And then we had

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02:18:09,300 --> 02:18:16,400
Dr. Peter Bluston of Georgia State University who at the end on August 11th did an overview

1627
02:18:16,400 --> 02:18:22,640
of his economic analysis, and the County Attorney's Office provided initial legal review

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02:18:22,640 --> 02:18:25,080
of applicants for compliance.

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02:18:26,680 --> 02:18:31,920
So here's the schedule, and you can see we saw a lot of presentations, and we spent a

1630
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:36,920
lot of time getting to know these projects over these three days.

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02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:44,020
And now with that, it's my pleasure to introduce Dr. Peter Bluestone, Associate Director of

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02:18:44,020 --> 02:18:50,760
State University Center for Local Finance. He was selected to do an economic analysis. It was

1633
02:18:50,760 --> 02:18:55,940
important that we tried to find somebody outside the area who is not involved with any

1634
02:18:55,940 --> 02:19:00,680
applicants coming before the task force. So Dr. Blueston, I'm going to turn it over to you now.

1635
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:09,490
Welcome, Dr. Blueston. Thank you. Welcome. Good to be here with you all today.

1636
02:19:09,850 --> 02:19:15,920
Air and commissioners. Some of you guys have already seen me from some of the earlier presentations.

1637
02:19:20,680 --> 02:19:27,480
Let's see, there we are, okay, so this is the economic impact analysis of selected TDD projects.

1638
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:32,160
So I'm going to talk about the data availability.

1639
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,020
A little bit about the condensed time frame,

1640
02:19:35,960 --> 02:19:39,900
then we're going to go into the economic impact analysis of the selected projects,

1641
02:19:40,660 --> 02:19:45,120
estimate of TDD modified ROI and modified spending ROI.

1642
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:53,880
I'm bringing this to the top of the VA agenda, there is a lot of interest in this, and so I want to kind of get time to talk about it rather than at the end.

1643
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:59,980
Job supported, total output due to new spending, and again this is all due to the using the implant model.

1644
02:20:01,950 --> 02:20:20,210
A construction impacts and estimates of taxes collected. I'll brief talk about those last. There are really linearly related to the amount of spending on the project, so there's not a lot of things to understand there that are not really directly driven by how much money is flowing through the project.

1645
02:20:21,130 --> 02:20:26,810
I did leave time for questions at the end, but it looks like we're going to take questions all at the end, so I'll just finish up.

1646
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:35,160
Okay, I want to give this some context about the challenges of doing this kind of economic

1647
02:20:35,160 --> 02:20:35,920
and economic analysis.

1648
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:41,140
And I want to use this little illustration here about some trips that I took as our

1649
02:20:41,140 --> 02:20:41,920
family took.

1650
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:46,800
The last time I was actually in Orlando was with my family, going to Universal.

1651
02:20:48,100 --> 02:20:51,460
And we spent a bunch of time and money and we got up early.

1652
02:20:51,740 --> 02:20:53,220
My kids are big Harry Potter fans.

1653
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:57,140
And so we were there early in the morning and got the lawns and all that stuff.

1654
02:20:57,140 --> 02:21:00,020
We have the fast passes, and my wife is a big enthusiast.

1655
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:02,940
So we weren't allowed to leave to like your son was down.

1656
02:21:04,100 --> 02:21:08,160
And so we spent, you know, on average, about there's four of us, two kids, and my wife and

1657
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:11,780
I, about $500 per person over those three nights.

1658
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:17,640
For a total of about $6,000, and it's real clear from that little story that I can

1659
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:24,080
am impact for the Orlando community was due to the Universal Studio theme park, right?

1660
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:25,400
That was why we were there.

1661
02:21:26,260 --> 02:21:31,840
The second trip on my kids were older, and so they could appreciate the nuances of New York City.

1662
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:37,480
So we went around Christmas time, and it was cold, but we did a lot of interesting things.

1663
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:41,060
We wanted to skate at Rockefeller Center.

1664
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:43,560
That was your busy swim in the Washington Square Park.

1665
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:47,380
And you can see I put these things that we wanted to do in some of the things that we actually did do.

1666
02:21:47,560 --> 02:21:54,500
Just to illustrate that when you're going to visit some place, you may go there to do something and you have that in mind.

1667
02:21:54,500 --> 02:21:55,760
But you do something else.

1668
02:21:56,240 --> 02:22:00,900
And so again, we spent about three nights, again, $500 per person,

1669
02:22:01,080 --> 02:22:02,620
in New York City, that's easy to do.

1670
02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:04,480
And again, for $6,000.

1671
02:22:05,080 --> 02:22:07,220
So the trick here is, though, you can see all those things,

1672
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:10,760
how do we allocate that spending to each event?

1673
02:22:11,260 --> 02:22:12,980
What do we attribute to the statute of liberty?

1674
02:22:13,060 --> 02:22:17,280
What do we attribute to Chinatown or going to the top of the rock?

1675
02:22:17,940 --> 02:22:19,960
So that's the tricky part here.

1676
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:22,380
And when we go through these examples and projects,

1677
02:22:22,380 --> 02:22:28,040
we think about economic impact, the key thing is to allocate that spending to the project.

1678
02:22:28,780 --> 02:22:33,780
And the other thing to remind, keep in mind, is that this has to be new spending, right?

1679
02:22:33,960 --> 02:22:37,260
I'm not from New York, I don't live in Orlando, I live in Atlanta, right?

1680
02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:39,380
So I am that tourist, right?

1681
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:45,480
So again, this is all new spending from somebody coming from outside the region, and how do we estimate that?

1682
02:22:48,750 --> 02:22:49,110
Okay.

1683
02:22:50,090 --> 02:22:56,450
So, again, I just kind of highlighted that the key thing here is the number of out-of-MSA visitors

1684
02:22:56,450 --> 02:23:00,410
to the project, and this was all provided by the applicants, right?

1685
02:23:00,790 --> 02:23:04,930
I'll show you, you know, we have an application page, and we asked them that question.

1686
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:09,670
And we also asked them the estimated length of stay due to the project.

1687
02:23:10,010 --> 02:23:13,150
And again, we realized this is hard to estimate, but we wanted to know what that was.

1688
02:23:13,150 --> 02:23:18,810
And this is important for feeding into the economic impact model in plan.

1689
02:23:19,310 --> 02:23:21,910
And in plan it's this industry-standard model.

1690
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:26,410
It's input output model, it uses state and local data to calibrate the model.

1691
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:30,030
It provides estimates of jobs, output, and tax collections.

1692
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:33,550
And you know, when you think about the multiplier affecting people talk about, you know,

1693
02:23:33,570 --> 02:23:36,610
it generates this many jobs, 1.8, 1.7.

1694
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:37,790
That's what this model is.

1695
02:23:37,890 --> 02:23:39,010
That's what they're thinking about.

1696
02:23:39,010 --> 02:23:46,310
And one of the things we wanted to do, again, to try to get a sense of how much, again, these

1697
02:23:46,310 --> 02:23:52,330
are all self-reported figures from the applicants, we wanted to develop a baseline model

1698
02:23:52,330 --> 02:23:53,130
that we could look to see.

1699
02:23:53,170 --> 02:23:54,570
Is this a reasonable number?

1700
02:23:54,770 --> 02:23:55,910
It just makes sense.

1701
02:23:56,650 --> 02:24:01,390
So we used the experiences that we have doing a lot of work with the Georgia World Congress Center,

1702
02:24:01,410 --> 02:24:02,930
that's a big convention center in Atlanta.

1703
02:24:03,470 --> 02:24:08,570
We also used the Savannah Convention Center, which recently did an expansion that is similar

1704
02:24:08,570 --> 02:24:13,270
in size and scope to the one being pitched by the Convention Center here.

1705
02:24:14,150 --> 02:24:20,970
Mercedes-Benz is a lot of events, concerts and things like that, so we could get a sense of visitors and what they spend there.

1706
02:24:21,370 --> 02:24:24,150
And we also look to the empirical literature to see what are reasonable estimates.

1707
02:24:28,050 --> 02:24:33,390
Okay, so obviously, as we're example, there were a lot of applications.

1708
02:24:35,010 --> 02:24:36,570
And you know, we went through them.

1709
02:24:36,570 --> 02:24:40,990
The key thing we were trying to figure out are the applicants suitable for a full analysis.

1710
02:24:41,530 --> 02:24:46,030
And so what we did was we first looked at the project meet the statutory program criteria.

1711
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:52,590
The second was, was the project sufficiently far along its planning process that it could be realistically

1712
02:24:52,590 --> 02:24:55,410
realistically reelistically completed as described.

1713
02:24:56,230 --> 02:24:58,430
Was this project, we didn't want to think it was too speculative.

1714
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:07,240
We did the applicant provide sufficient data and a causal nexus to attracting new out of region visitors. Again, this is key.

1715
02:25:08,020 --> 02:25:12,340
We actually had to have some numbers. We couldn't just say, take your word for it.

1716
02:25:12,480 --> 02:25:16,240
And some of these make a lot of sense. You might get new visitors.

1717
02:25:16,740 --> 02:25:18,780
But we had to have some estimates of what those were.

1718
02:25:19,800 --> 02:25:24,760
And finally, is there a request from a separate grant-making entity? The idea that they are being, right?

1719
02:25:24,980 --> 02:25:28,440
We don't know what those grants are going to be, so how can we estimate the economic impact?

1720
02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:36,620
And for some of these findings, there is a technical report that hopefully you got that I submitted yesterday to the staff.

1721
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:43,560
Okay, some themes during the presentation, right?

1722
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:46,420
Again, as I mentioned, this data is coming from the applicants.

1723
02:25:46,740 --> 02:25:49,340
So there is a good deal of uncertainty in it.

1724
02:25:49,500 --> 02:25:52,800
This was a condensed process.

1725
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:56,020
And so the applicants did not have a lot of some of them not a lot of time.

1726
02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:00,140
And so we want to keep that in mind when we're looking at this analysis.

1727
02:26:00,140 --> 02:26:06,260
The second is how project scale relates to economic impact and the ROI measures, right?

1728
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:12,180
ROI is essentially a ratio, so you can get a great ratio, but you know, how much

1729
02:26:12,180 --> 02:26:17,140
actual with the level of economic impact, how many jobs are we talking about, how much new

1730
02:26:17,140 --> 02:26:18,700
money is flowing through the economy?

1731
02:26:19,540 --> 02:26:29,900
Second, actually the ROI measures here, so these are measures that I use that are

1732
02:26:31,140 --> 02:26:38,620
But there are helpful to compare across the different projects because they're consistent for this work.

1733
02:26:39,240 --> 02:26:40,340
And so we'll talk about those.

1734
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:45,500
For the textbook definition of ROI, there's just a lot of data constraints.

1735
02:26:46,420 --> 02:26:54,500
We just don't have the ability to collect all what we think will be the expected revenue over the lifetime of the project, all of the expected costs,

1736
02:26:54,500 --> 02:26:57,840
and expected costs and revenue to whom, right?

1737
02:26:58,100 --> 02:27:00,500
You know, these projects are seeking public dollars,

1738
02:27:00,920 --> 02:27:02,700
but these projects aren't owned by the county.

1739
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:04,700
So it's much more challenging.

1740
02:27:05,020 --> 02:27:06,560
It's a very, it's a difficult process.

1741
02:27:07,020 --> 02:27:08,380
Also, these projects have to do it again,

1742
02:27:08,500 --> 02:27:10,160
public good components, which is why they're coming

1743
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:11,060
to the county for money.

1744
02:27:14,540 --> 02:27:16,560
Okay, so this is that page I mentioned,

1745
02:27:16,820 --> 02:27:20,560
which asks the applicants for that information,

1746
02:27:21,440 --> 02:27:23,860
again, self-reported, so there's a high degree

1747
02:27:23,860 --> 02:27:25,380
of, you know, a bit of uncertainty here.

1748
02:27:25,380 --> 02:27:28,080
And finally, there were three applications that

1749
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:31,840
described a very similar history museum for the town of Inveil.

1750
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:36,900
So we looked at those together and picked out the elements

1751
02:27:36,900 --> 02:27:40,120
from each one that helped us create sort of a representative

1752
02:27:40,120 --> 02:27:43,120
history museum that we could use to plug into in-plan

1753
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:46,140
that would give an economic impact that we felt was reasonable.

1754
02:27:46,420 --> 02:27:49,840
And I'll show you about how we did that later, and so these slides.

1755
02:27:52,900 --> 02:27:56,060
OK, so here is a summary of the projects analyzed.

1756
02:27:56,060 --> 02:28:00,860
Essentially, there were five of them when you, you know, you'd again do the representative history museum.

1757
02:28:01,720 --> 02:28:07,460
And the thing to bear in mind here is there are two that are really, really large, the convention center,

1758
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:13,400
and Dr. Phillips Center Master Plan, and then the others are roughly the similar magnitudes, they're small.

1759
02:28:14,920 --> 02:28:21,200
They're all, but the immersive festival have construction involved, so these things aren't coming online right away.

1760
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:30,460
You know, probably four or five years out, you know, you know, with construction properly five, you know, and then the other thing is upon there is this is again

1761
02:28:30,460 --> 02:28:39,440
report by the applicant is feasibility without TDT, so all but the convention center is was claimed to be feasible without TDT funding.

1762
02:28:42,830 --> 02:28:49,630
So I'm going to go through these next slides a little bit quickly. These are just summaries that go into the ROI estimate. So this direct spending is what we put into

1763
02:28:49,630 --> 02:28:52,550
this is our estimate of the new visitor spending, right?

1764
02:28:52,570 --> 02:28:54,810
This is how much new money is coming into this project.

1765
02:28:55,310 --> 02:28:58,410
The output, that's again, what comes out at the end of

1766
02:28:58,410 --> 02:29:01,090
Implan that takes into account all those additional

1767
02:29:01,090 --> 02:29:02,210
multiplier effects.

1768
02:29:05,360 --> 02:29:11,140
So, here is what we estimate for what I'm using as two

1769
02:29:11,140 --> 02:29:12,480
measures of ROI.

1770
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:15,940
The first is a TDT ROI.

1771
02:29:16,380 --> 02:29:20,080
This is the return to the of TDT

1772
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:24,100
by the amount of TDT that the project is requesting.

1773
02:29:25,500 --> 02:29:29,160
So you can see the Convention Center is estimated to generate

1774
02:29:29,160 --> 02:29:32,400
about $6 million in new hotel revenue.

1775
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:34,760
This is again based on their operations.

1776
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:36,880
This is not taken to account construction.

1777
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:38,680
This is the one's the project is finished.

1778
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:44,840
And so they're asking for roughly 500 million in TDT funding,

1779
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:50,040
So that generates a percentage of 1.2%.

1780
02:29:50,040 --> 02:29:52,660
You contrast that with Dr. Phillips.

1781
02:29:54,500 --> 02:29:59,980
They have an estimated total economic output that is on par with their...

1782
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,680
Other smaller projects. And this again, these figures came from Dr. Phillips. It's really based on their estimates

1783
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:20,280
of new visitors from out of the region of 50,000, and their new estimates of overnight visitors of 30,000.

1784
02:30:20,860 --> 02:30:28,500
And so, but because, in their application, they ask for a considerable amount of TDT funding, you know, roughly 700,000 million.

1785
02:30:28,500 --> 02:30:36,860
That ratio of that percentage is much smaller, but it's just a function of how much TDT revenue they're asking for.

1786
02:30:37,660 --> 02:30:44,780
The others come out a little bit higher, and you can see the history museum and the merge festival are in the 60s.

1787
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:48,500
I mean, excuse me, that children's museum and the merge festival are in the 60s.

1788
02:30:49,360 --> 02:30:53,700
They're at 1% and 1.5% and the history museum is 0.3.

1789
02:30:53,700 --> 02:31:05,480
The last one is the total spend ROI, and this is the idea that how much per me, how much total

1790
02:31:05,480 --> 02:31:11,380
economic activity, and that's the total economic output economic output that I showed you

1791
02:31:11,380 --> 02:31:17,280
is directed from the news visitor spending. So this is the total benefit to the Orange County

1792
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:22,760
region, the 4 County region, how much money is being spent in the restaurants, how much money is

1793
02:31:22,760 --> 02:31:28,840
spent, you know, going out to, you know, other things, doing other things, you know, buying groceries,

1794
02:31:29,380 --> 02:31:36,340
dry cleaning, all the stuff that you do. And so this, and then this is, for, then we divide

1795
02:31:36,340 --> 02:31:41,980
that by the amount of the project cost, right? This is, this is the actual total project cost.

1796
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:46,460
And for some of these projects, again, that's a pretty decent return, right? Particularly when

1797
02:31:46,460 --> 02:31:51,460
you think about the total output for the convention center, right? We have a really large output

1798
02:31:51,460 --> 02:31:58,980
of over $330 million annually divided by their estimated project cost over $500 million,

1799
02:31:58,980 --> 02:32:02,980
and that's where you get that 62 percent. Again, for the Children of the Museum and the

1800
02:32:02,980 --> 02:32:10,120
Immersed Festival, it's similar. And here again, Dr. Phillips is lower because, again, their

1801
02:32:10,120 --> 02:32:18,720
construction cost is $1.4 billion. It's just a lot more. And again, their total economic

1802
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:22,300
output is on par with some of these smaller projects.

1803
02:32:22,500 --> 02:32:24,720
And again, these are all based on the numbers they provided.

1804
02:32:29,440 --> 02:32:30,800
But one thing I do want to come back to.

1805
02:32:31,660 --> 02:32:33,480
So, when I'm talking about scale, as you can see,

1806
02:32:33,620 --> 02:32:36,980
the immersive festival does quite well on these returns

1807
02:32:36,980 --> 02:32:42,180
on these measures, and it's a very interesting project,

1808
02:32:42,540 --> 02:32:44,040
but it's one weekend, right?

1809
02:32:44,040 --> 02:32:45,260
And so, when we think about, you know,

1810
02:32:45,400 --> 02:32:46,980
can we make this bigger, can we grow it,

1811
02:32:47,060 --> 02:32:49,100
whenever it's, that's kind of hard, right?

1812
02:32:49,360 --> 02:32:52,360
So, again, when so these other projects that have more

1813
02:32:52,360 --> 02:32:58,400
scale to them, you know, that you actually get a higher level of economic activity, even though

1814
02:32:58,400 --> 02:33:00,560
maybe the ROI isn't quite as good on these metrics.

1815
02:33:04,690 --> 02:33:08,690
Okay, so this is the nuts and bolts of how we kind of got to some of these numbers.

1816
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:13,150
And so this is where we're looking at, again, we have the three history museums.

1817
02:33:13,630 --> 02:33:20,670
And I, one of the presenters showed this very interesting slide about Orlando average tendons at various types

1818
02:33:20,670 --> 02:33:25,510
of vets, and so that 2.9 is from museums, 2.9 million, these are the annual out of reach

1819
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:25,830
and visitors.

1820
02:33:27,090 --> 02:33:29,730
And so I'm trying to get a sense of, you know, what's a good estimate, right?

1821
02:33:30,050 --> 02:33:34,590
And so you can see like for some of these, like the first one for about 34,000 visitors,

1822
02:33:34,890 --> 02:33:38,890
right, that's 1% increase in museum attendance for out-of-state visitors.

1823
02:33:39,630 --> 02:33:45,450
And when you look at the project from Representative Antone, that would increase in tens

1824
02:33:45,450 --> 02:33:51,710
about 17%. So that's seem to be an outlier. 1% seem to be at the right number. Again for

1825
02:33:51,710 --> 02:33:57,730
the children's museum, even though it's 2% right, that's 100% more than 1%. So again, that

1826
02:33:57,730 --> 02:33:59,090
seems to be a bit of an outlier.

1827
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:05,920
This is another cut at those numbers. And when we can see again,

1828
02:34:06,140 --> 02:34:17,700
the share of a total new visitors from the MSA, again, Dr. Phillips has 5% and 3% in terms of

1829
02:34:17,700 --> 02:34:25,800
the children's museum has that would be 25% and so when we think about the new visitors from outside

1830
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:33,160
of the MSA of over 62,000 and the overnight visitors of 22,000, if we ran those numbers

1831
02:34:33,160 --> 02:34:40,680
through implant that museum asked the cost of $40 million would have a greater economic impact

1832
02:34:40,680 --> 02:34:47,040
than the Dr Phillips project spending $1.4 billion. So there's something not we had to make

1833
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:59,200
adjustments there. So we adjusted that figure down to be more representative of the 62,000 to make it more of a 1% level than a 2% level and we kept the overnight visitors the same.

1834
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:06,560
Again, just to keep the scaling right, it just seemed to be, again, a little bit out of the mound of

1835
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:07,580
reasons there.

1836
02:35:10,620 --> 02:35:15,180
So in terms of, so this is where we actually come up with a amount of spending

1837
02:35:15,180 --> 02:35:21,360
per visitor. And so when we looked at the application for the Convention Center, their total spending

1838
02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:26,060
for visitor was very similar to our baseline model, but they didn't actually have a breakdown by sector.

1839
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:31,300
And it's important to break this down by sector because that's how we get generate where the jobs go, right,

1840
02:35:31,300 --> 02:35:38,080
can't plug it all into one category. You don't get a breakdown of jobs. And so we use the

1841
02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:41,520
shares that we have from the Georgia World Congress Center and the Semana Convention Center

1842
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:49,560
to allocate that spending by lodging, transportation, etc. We looked at a lot of the applications

1843
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:55,960
again for the History Museums and the Immersed Festival and Dr. Philips Master Plan. Dr.

1844
02:36:00,740 --> 02:36:00,780
Philips

1845
02:36:00,780 --> 02:36:06,100
in a lot like what we had in terms of Georgia, and also in terms of what average spending

1846
02:36:06,100 --> 02:36:11,560
that the Visitor Orlando had. So we used that as the benchmark and we just let kind

1847
02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:15,720
of give everybody the same level of spending. Again, we don't want to say, okay, if you go

1848
02:36:15,720 --> 02:36:20,240
to the History Museum, we're only spending $159 per night, right? We want to try to keep

1849
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:30,760
it consistent. Again, so the impact is generated by how many visitors, right? Because we don't

1850
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:34,380
up using that level of spending for all the other projects.

1851
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:39,180
The Convention Center had one distribution of spending, the other projects had the other.

1852
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:49,260
And so when you multiply, for instance, at the Convention Center, that roughly $350 per

1853
02:36:49,260 --> 02:36:55,340
visitor, times the number of visitors, new visitors, $150,000, spending four nights, and again

1854
02:36:55,340 --> 02:36:59,160
that coincided with what we've seen in Atlanta, that is pretty much what they spend.

1855
02:36:59,860 --> 02:37:08,360
you end up with that $187 million, that's the annual average spending for the new visitors for the convention center project.

1856
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:16,640
And when you run the breakdown through each of the sectors to implant, you end up with that output of $334 million annually.

1857
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:21,820
And that's, again, an including the indirect, which are the suppliers to the hotels and all those things.

1858
02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:28,220
And then the induced, right, is, again, where everybody spends the money on groceries and doing the things that they do in Orlando.

1859
02:37:28,220 --> 02:37:34,400
And that supports a total of 2,207 jobs in the metro area.

1860
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:36,700
And you can see the breakdowns of the others.

1861
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:40,460
They're substantial, but not of that magnitude.

1862
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:50,960
So here is a list of the actual top 10 new jobs per sector.

1863
02:37:51,060 --> 02:37:53,720
And again, that's the benefit of using that spending.

1864
02:37:53,980 --> 02:38:00,120
And you can see the top 5 jobs, or all where we had direct inputs to spending.

1865
02:38:01,080 --> 02:38:06,420
surprisingly, that you see transit and ground passenger transportation is generating the

1866
02:38:06,420 --> 02:38:10,560
most jobs across all the categories, and this was not the highest level of spending,

1867
02:38:11,320 --> 02:38:16,180
but it again it shows how different industries you have a different mix of labor and capital

1868
02:38:16,180 --> 02:38:21,620
right, the top spending was hotels, but hotels have a different mix of labor and capital

1869
02:38:21,620 --> 02:38:26,100
right, and so you spend a lot of money to stay in a hotel, but it doesn't employ quite as many

1870
02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:27,960
people for that spending, right?

1871
02:38:27,960 --> 02:38:31,740
And that's kind of one of the good things that the models help you see, right?

1872
02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:34,660
When you spend money in one place, how many jobs you get for that,

1873
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:36,340
we're just spending money in some place else.

1874
02:38:39,020 --> 02:38:43,960
And at the bottom, we have the new jobs that are estimated from the applicants for their actual project.

1875
02:38:44,140 --> 02:38:47,420
And you can see when you look at the top, even at just the top five,

1876
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:52,700
that jobs generated throughout the economy, because of the new visitor spending,

1877
02:38:53,060 --> 02:38:55,500
it's considered really larger than the individual facilities.

1878
02:38:58,730 --> 02:39:04,630
Okay, so this is construction, and as I mentioned, construction is really just a function of how much money is being spent, right?

1879
02:39:04,990 --> 02:39:08,230
We just ran this to the one industry sector of commercial construction.

1880
02:39:09,150 --> 02:39:13,490
And so when you spend a lot of money, for instance, Dr. Phillips is spending 1.4 billion.

1881
02:39:13,850 --> 02:39:17,890
You end up with an impact of almost 2.5 billion.

1882
02:39:18,670 --> 02:39:22,450
You get a lot of jobs, but those are just those are the annual average jobs.

1883
02:39:22,810 --> 02:39:25,950
And when that construction spending goes away, those jobs go away.

1884
02:39:26,590 --> 02:39:31,590
And the other thing to remember for construction spending is you can't actually sum them.

1885
02:39:31,970 --> 02:39:34,670
They actually occur only as the spending goes, right?

1886
02:39:34,670 --> 02:39:36,730
You only have so many workers on site at a time.

1887
02:39:37,030 --> 02:39:38,850
And so that is what that is.

1888
02:39:43,020 --> 02:39:46,160
Okay, and finally, these are the taxes estimated to be collected.

1889
02:39:46,760 --> 02:39:50,060
And you have to be a little bit cautious here.

1890
02:39:50,380 --> 02:39:57,060
Implant does not have all the statutory code and exemptions that you all might have.

1891
02:39:57,060 --> 02:39:59,700
like Princeton, Georgia, the state taxes.

1892
02:40:00,340 --> 02:40:14,340
Has an exemption for groceries on our sales tax, but the locals don't. And so if you're thinking you're going to do something with groceries and you're running that through implant and you're thinking you're at local state sales tax, you're not. You're only getting local sales tax.

1893
02:40:14,580 --> 02:40:24,220
But implant does kind of have a basket of relevant taxes and applies all the economic spending that goes into the projects, filters it through that.

1894
02:40:24,220 --> 02:40:27,960
And so you've got a rough idea of the magnitude of the taxes.

1895
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:31,320
And again, this is driven by the level of economic activity

1896
02:40:31,320 --> 02:40:33,880
where you have the Convention Center collecting quite

1897
02:40:33,880 --> 02:40:35,400
a bit of operational taxes.

1898
02:40:35,820 --> 02:40:38,440
And the other projects collecting roughly a silmo amount,

1899
02:40:38,580 --> 02:40:40,720
a little bit from a few, you know,

1900
02:40:41,080 --> 02:40:44,820
anywhere between, you know, roughly 700,000 annually

1901
02:40:44,820 --> 02:40:46,300
to 1.1 million.

1902
02:40:47,020 --> 02:40:49,020
And construction is just to, again, a linear function

1903
02:40:49,020 --> 02:40:50,260
of how much is being spent.

1904
02:40:50,540 --> 02:40:52,100
Dr. Phillips is spending a lot more.

1905
02:40:52,280 --> 02:40:54,140
They're collecting a generate a lot more tax revenue.

1906
02:40:54,620 --> 02:41:00,320
And then the convention standard spent a little bit less and the other ones smaller and for the immerse festival

1907
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:02,320
There's no construction, so that's zero

1908
02:41:02,840 --> 02:41:08,940
So that is the end of my presentation and I'll turn it over to Dr. Beers

1909
02:41:19,880 --> 02:41:22,280
Okay, I'm sorry. Let's go.

1910
02:41:27,810 --> 02:41:31,910
Mayer. Okay. Thank you. Dr. Beers. Thank you for your presentation. So mayer

1911
02:41:33,070 --> 02:41:33,550
again

1912
02:41:35,450 --> 02:41:39,730
I'm trying to follow this process and I know we will ask questions towards the end right

1913
02:41:39,730 --> 02:41:45,650
However, as this stuff is being presented, it's laying a foundation for the conversation that proceeds toward the end.

1914
02:41:46,030 --> 02:41:53,430
I wonder if you might not entertain, for me, or for all the commissioners, to allow one question,

1915
02:41:53,550 --> 02:41:55,470
no were buttold, no fall up, just so we can understand.

1916
02:41:55,730 --> 02:42:02,330
And the reason why I said that, Mayor, is because these numbers that were presented are different from the numbers that were presented in the plan,

1917
02:42:02,510 --> 02:42:04,850
and different from the two different reports I've seen this morning.

1918
02:42:05,150 --> 02:42:07,990
So my head is spinning trying to keep up, but also understand.

1919
02:42:08,550 --> 02:42:16,610
Specifically, the presentation had 58% for their children's museum at TDT, but the report that I have

1920
02:42:16,610 --> 02:42:29,510
says 66% and then on the history museum, it had it at 27%, and now it's 31%, so I just, I want to, I'm trying to follow this, and I'm getting confused.

1921
02:42:30,010 --> 02:42:34,710
And then we received, you know, this is that we should read one presentation last week, and then a new presentation is morning.

1922
02:42:34,710 --> 02:42:39,870
So I would just ask if each commissioner would be allowed to ask,

1923
02:42:39,930 --> 02:42:42,890
get just one question of him.

1924
02:42:43,150 --> 02:42:45,710
This will be understand before we add more on top.

1925
02:42:45,910 --> 02:42:46,830
Because again, I'm a lot.

1926
02:42:47,310 --> 02:42:47,830
Okay. Okay.

1927
02:42:48,350 --> 02:42:50,350
We're going to try to get through it.

1928
02:42:51,650 --> 02:42:52,650
So I'll deal with it first.

1929
02:42:53,490 --> 02:42:55,770
My apologies on the version changes.

1930
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:58,790
There were small adjustments as we went through as we checked the numbers

1931
02:42:58,790 --> 02:43:00,090
and made sure everything was right.

1932
02:43:01,110 --> 02:43:03,850
And we checked different methodologies and made sure that there

1933
02:43:03,850 --> 02:43:09,450
consistent across the presentations. This was all done very quickly, and so as we had to

1934
02:43:09,450 --> 02:43:15,550
be ready for the fifth, that was the first presentation, so we did change some things slightly,

1935
02:43:15,850 --> 02:43:18,510
but the orders of magnitude are really pretty much the same.

1936
02:43:20,070 --> 02:43:22,790
Okay, Mayor. I'm good. I'm good for now.

1937
02:43:23,430 --> 02:43:31,350
I know. It might be clear as mud right now, but we'll come back and try to, I'm sorry,

1938
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:32,030
anything else?

1939
02:43:32,030 --> 02:43:36,770
I just want to make sure I have a flow because I'm looking at your presentation in four different

1940
02:43:36,770 --> 02:43:43,710
documents I'm trying to follow along and I did change some of the style of the slides and

1941
02:43:43,710 --> 02:43:49,010
everything and moved some in different orders. But yes I do apologize. Some of the things did change

1942
02:43:49,010 --> 02:43:54,270
a little bit over time. Thank you sir and thank you. Commissioner Simran. Thank you Mayor. So I have a

1943
02:43:54,270 --> 02:43:59,330
question pertaining to Dr. Police Don. Thank you so much and I followed your methodology I use

1944
02:43:59,330 --> 02:44:05,590
and plan as well. It's a good model, so there's, but I want to understand from Rosanne. I did

1945
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:12,010
did this economic report meet the scope of what we thought we were going to be getting to

1946
02:44:12,010 --> 02:44:19,610
analyze because when you effectively have the overwhelming majority amount of projects that are not

1947
02:44:19,610 --> 02:44:26,350
within the comparative analysis because of either lack of data or whatever the case may be,

1948
02:44:26,350 --> 02:44:32,230
It doesn't mean that because we are devoid of an implanted analysis, that we are devoid

1949
02:44:32,230 --> 02:44:38,470
of economic activity, economic synergy, or public benefit, and so I expected a much

1950
02:44:38,470 --> 02:44:43,890
different result out of this report, and I just wanted to understand if this met the

1951
02:44:43,890 --> 02:44:47,130
scope of our expectations of what we were going to be getting.

1952
02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:48,910
Thank you.

1953
02:44:48,910 --> 02:44:59,930
So Commissioner, let me step back into 2023 when we had this task force, we had four groups that advanced to the board.

1954
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:21,440
And so when we were selecting somebody this time, we thought, well, it should be somewhere around that number. And so the most cost effective thing to do was in our request was to ask for an analysis of maybe five or six projects with the ability for whoever was contracted to do more analysis.

1955
02:45:21,440 --> 02:45:35,080
And we worked with the Controllers Office to identify somebody, Georgia State University, as opposed to contracting for 10, and then maybe only having five groups move forward.

1956
02:45:35,440 --> 02:45:39,800
So we knew that he, Dr. Blueston, had the ability to do more.

1957
02:45:40,200 --> 02:45:48,440
As we move through the process and he looked at all the data and I do want to say that he set through every meeting, he set through every presentation,

1958
02:45:48,440 --> 02:45:52,220
and he read every application, and after that,

1959
02:45:52,260 --> 02:45:56,540
and we asked him, do you need, how many do you think

1960
02:45:56,540 --> 02:45:59,140
that you can do an analysis on,

1961
02:45:59,140 --> 02:46:01,180
and this is what he came back with,

1962
02:46:01,260 --> 02:46:04,240
and I think he's gonna talk about some of the reasons

1963
02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:09,300
why the others, and that one page questionnaire that you see,

1964
02:46:09,580 --> 02:46:13,100
they provided data, but it might have been more related

1965
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:17,360
to their overall large scale project,

1966
02:46:17,360 --> 02:46:20,460
not necessarily what they were asking us for.

1967
02:46:20,920 --> 02:46:25,400
And so he could only go by what was in the application

1968
02:46:26,220 --> 02:46:29,360
because otherwise then we'd have to let everybody else

1969
02:46:29,360 --> 02:46:30,480
update their information.

1970
02:46:30,980 --> 02:46:32,920
So Dr. Luston, is that correct?

1971
02:46:33,400 --> 02:46:34,320
Yeah, and I can speak a little bit.

1972
02:46:34,520 --> 02:46:37,520
But we'll just one second, because there's only five projects

1973
02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:40,060
out of how many were there, 20, 24.

1974
02:46:41,940 --> 02:46:44,400
But when you consider that you have the three museums,

1975
02:46:44,400 --> 02:46:51,500
Okay, that brings us up to eight, but you're absolutely right, the others, we do not have an analysis on, and he can give you the reasons.

1976
02:46:51,500 --> 02:46:53,400
No, and I understand all the reasons.

1977
02:46:53,420 --> 02:46:55,180
I understand, I use the implant model.

1978
02:46:55,420 --> 02:46:56,080
I get it.

1979
02:46:56,140 --> 02:47:00,740
I know that there are limitations to the data, but what I am concerned about is fairness.

1980
02:47:01,420 --> 02:47:09,960
And so, when you have applicants that all submit, and only five or eight can be actually assessed,

1981
02:47:09,960 --> 02:47:15,920
When you're trying to do a comparative analysis and you don't have the same documentation for every applicant

1982
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:22,100
it raises questions of fairness and that's where I'm struggling and with regard to this report

1983
02:47:22,100 --> 02:47:24,020
I mean I would like to

1984
02:47:25,360 --> 02:47:30,360
There are other economic models that we can use that that you know you can deviate from implant

1985
02:47:30,360 --> 02:47:36,960
I know it's the traditional one and it's a good one. I use it, but this is an issue of we only have five

1986
02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:44,040
to look at, yet we're either dismissing or including others that didn't have it.

1987
02:47:44,500 --> 02:47:47,260
And that's a struggle for me.

1988
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:52,920
I understand, Commissioner, and some of these projects are smaller,

1989
02:47:53,600 --> 02:47:59,720
and because we didn't have any funding in ARC, probably would not have applied to this program

1990
02:47:59,720 --> 02:48:04,760
if we would have had funding in ARC, and that would probably eliminate a large number of these

1991
02:48:04,760 --> 02:48:13,900
that do need more time to finalize some details on their project and prepare for a more thorough analysis.

1992
02:48:14,460 --> 02:48:20,120
But it is an option Dr. Blueston has offered that if the board wants to see presentations

1993
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:26,060
and if there's other groups that they would like to see an analysis done on, he has offered to do that.

1994
02:48:26,500 --> 02:48:30,800
Okay, I would like to just, you know, say to my fellow board members,

1995
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:37,540
that an absence of an implant analysis is not an indication of a lack or an absence of public

1996
02:48:37,540 --> 02:48:43,720
value or economic value. So the lack of it is, you know, in terms of fairness, I just want to

1997
02:48:43,720 --> 02:48:47,720
say, you know, if it's not there, it doesn't mean it has no economic value or public value,

1998
02:48:47,740 --> 02:48:52,680
and I hope we consider that moving forward, because we only have five to actually comparatively

1999
02:48:52,680 --> 02:48:54,020
in Alice, in Alice.

2000
02:48:54,660 --> 02:48:54,920
Thank you.

2001
02:48:55,420 --> 02:48:58,300
All right, Dr. Bluston, I know you wanted to respond.

2002
02:48:59,660 --> 02:49:03,060
So we're going to try to get on the test and get through the season.

2003
02:49:03,060 --> 02:49:05,900
So another thing to bear in mind is, and I forgot exactly,

2004
02:49:06,020 --> 02:49:09,140
how many of these were applicants for future grant-making programs.

2005
02:49:09,780 --> 02:49:12,500
So those were not, there was four, OK, great.

2006
02:49:13,700 --> 02:49:17,660
And so again, the key designation that we were looking at

2007
02:49:17,660 --> 02:49:20,500
is the new economic activity,

2008
02:49:22,660 --> 02:49:22,660
right?

2009
02:49:22,660 --> 02:49:25,400
from the applicant that showed that.

2010
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:27,460
And again, it's possible that again,

2011
02:49:27,560 --> 02:49:29,760
they can point out that it was there.

2012
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:32,580
It's just they didn't show it to us.

2013
02:49:32,660 --> 02:49:33,940
I understand that Dr. Bluestone,

2014
02:49:34,180 --> 02:49:36,860
new economic activity is not permanent economic activity.

2015
02:49:37,020 --> 02:49:38,740
When you have a billion dollar application,

2016
02:49:38,940 --> 02:49:42,000
you generate construction output that is not permanent jobs.

2017
02:49:42,420 --> 02:49:44,160
So when we talk about a comparative analysis

2018
02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:45,980
of the implant across the projects,

2019
02:49:46,020 --> 02:49:49,180
we have to understand that the economic activity generated

2020
02:49:49,180 --> 02:49:52,160
it is in a large part, temporary during the construction.

2021
02:49:52,900 --> 02:49:54,260
And so that's why I'm just emphasizing

2022
02:49:54,260 --> 02:49:57,220
that a lack of an implant analysis does not

2023
02:49:57,220 --> 02:49:59,880
make it devoid or absent of economic value.

2024
02:50:01,420 --> 02:50:07,960
And I think that's a very important distinction to make as we consider all of the projects. Thank you.

2025
02:50:08,200 --> 02:50:10,140
Yes, that's correct.

2026
02:50:10,780 --> 02:50:11,080
Okay.

2027
02:50:11,540 --> 02:50:16,580
Commissioner, I would like to say to your point, and that's why the task force was compelled to advance

2028
02:50:16,580 --> 02:50:25,760
some of these smaller projects, because they felt like just because they didn't have a thorough economic analysis, didn't mean that they weren't valuable.

2029
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:38,740
I mean, this was the first time that we have had projects from all over Orange County touched every district from all over Orange County and so that's why the task force had this exact discussion and said,

2030
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:42,460
we still want to move it ahead because we feel like it has merit.

2031
02:50:43,520 --> 02:50:45,080
Totally appreciate all of it, Roseanne.

2032
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:49,760
I just wanted to put it on public record that, you know.

2033
02:50:50,280 --> 02:50:53,940
Dr. Bluestone, I think you know, had the data that he worked with the data that he could,

2034
02:50:54,120 --> 02:50:58,040
but I just wanted to make sure that we understood that only five have that, and it was us.

2035
02:50:58,140 --> 02:51:00,240
Thank you, Dr. Eram. Mayor, thank you.

2036
02:51:00,420 --> 02:51:05,800
Let me see if we can get to, we have two other commissioners indicated a desire to speak

2037
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:10,920
commissioner, you rebate and commissioner Wilson. This is on the subject, and then I want to get back

2038
02:51:10,920 --> 02:51:18,500
to the presentation to Dr. Bears and let them finish the presentation. Commissioner, you rebate.

2039
02:51:27,070 --> 02:51:45,930
Okay, again, I actually, I have a hot mess here because I've got like all of these reports going on, and my concern is, one, we're only looking at a few, and I can't, you can only feasibly do whatever you're directed, you know, we hired you to kind of take these.

2040
02:51:45,930 --> 02:51:51,890
Something that's taking over me is we've got the Convention Center at Play, which was clearly never forwarded.

2041
02:51:52,830 --> 02:52:06,070
Secondly, I do have a concern on jobs because when you talk about employment, there's a difference between permanent employment, temporary employment, seasonal employment, wage type of employment.

2042
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:08,910
So I look at Calibers of Employment 2.

2043
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:13,850
And then lastly, and I guess this is for Rosanne,

2044
02:52:14,410 --> 02:52:18,390
there's projects here that from your original list

2045
02:52:18,390 --> 02:52:20,210
that I would have liked to have seen.

2046
02:52:20,470 --> 02:52:23,170
I mean, we clearly approved UCF in the past,

2047
02:52:23,470 --> 02:52:25,430
but we're not even seeing them right now.

2048
02:52:26,090 --> 02:52:28,710
And they have clearly shown that they were shovel ready,

2049
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:29,830
and they were moving forward.

2050
02:52:30,270 --> 02:52:32,190
And there's other programs here.

2051
02:52:32,670 --> 02:52:35,350
But what was interesting on my briefings

2052
02:52:35,350 --> 02:52:37,170
with a few folks have reached out.

2053
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:39,430
I had never heard of any of these.

2054
02:52:39,690 --> 02:52:42,190
It's kind of like selective few came to us.

2055
02:52:42,530 --> 02:52:44,790
And here we're being bombarded with decision-making.

2056
02:52:45,210 --> 02:52:47,390
And I don't think we're being very true

2057
02:52:47,390 --> 02:52:49,870
to the comparison, either when I looked at your.

2058
02:52:50,270 --> 02:52:53,210
And I've heard of your analysis format.

2059
02:52:53,790 --> 02:52:56,490
But I also see you've got convention sign

2060
02:52:56,490 --> 02:52:57,410
or singularly.

2061
02:52:57,750 --> 02:53:02,090
And then you've grouped other things, immerse museums and so forth.

2062
02:53:02,710 --> 02:53:04,950
And are they really that way to value

2063
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:07,210
because our youth, let's just put it like this,

2064
02:53:07,770 --> 02:53:10,530
is convention center universal in New York,

2065
02:53:10,910 --> 02:53:15,270
the other one that you're weighing in and just very brief

2066
02:53:15,270 --> 02:53:18,410
kind of summary where it was a multiple hit task

2067
02:53:18,410 --> 02:53:21,850
to come up with that rate of rate of investment?

2068
02:53:23,410 --> 02:53:25,590
Yeah, that's a good way to think about it.

2069
02:53:26,210 --> 02:53:28,730
When we think about why is somebody visiting,

2070
02:53:28,870 --> 02:53:31,170
can we allocate their spending, again,

2071
02:53:31,170 --> 02:53:34,750
just that New York versus universal example.

2072
02:53:35,130 --> 02:53:36,910
Can we allocate their spending reasonably

2073
02:53:36,910 --> 02:53:40,370
to a certain project or theme, right?

2074
02:53:41,490 --> 02:53:44,350
And so when we think about the Convention Center,

2075
02:53:44,850 --> 02:53:48,210
there's good data out there that says, yes, we can do that.

2076
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:51,030
When we think about some of these other projects,

2077
02:53:51,750 --> 02:53:54,090
do we really believe that somebody's just

2078
02:53:54,090 --> 02:53:55,430
going to spend three days in Orlando

2079
02:53:55,430 --> 02:53:58,830
and the only reason they're there is for just one of these things.

2080
02:53:59,450 --> 02:54:02,910
We think that it's much more like the New York City trip.

2081
02:54:03,230 --> 02:54:04,610
They're doing a lot of things.

2082
02:54:04,910 --> 02:54:06,370
They may spend a day in a park, right?

2083
02:54:06,370 --> 02:54:07,190
They only have one day.

2084
02:54:07,550 --> 02:54:09,910
And they may spend some time at the police.

2085
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:13,710
I was trying to figure out your number there.

2086
02:54:14,490 --> 02:54:17,890
The other concern is how are we proving those to be beds and heads,

2087
02:54:18,870 --> 02:54:20,970
also for those particular things.

2088
02:54:22,150 --> 02:54:27,070
And then my only other, I feel like we're not getting,

2089
02:54:27,070 --> 02:54:30,370
I guess a fair analysis and everyone that submitted.

2090
02:54:31,270 --> 02:54:35,210
When I think of these organizations that we're used to dealing with, you know, and

2091
02:54:35,210 --> 02:54:40,890
seeing tourism dot or TDT dollars, and then one thing you said, you said, immerse, right?

2092
02:54:41,050 --> 02:54:44,170
Very very popular festival here, yes, it's one weekend.

2093
02:54:45,170 --> 02:54:50,210
I look at our sports funding being part of visit or land on so far.

2094
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:57,030
Why couldn't this festival be put there as opposed to having to be a separate one weekend

2095
02:54:57,030 --> 02:54:59,970
event as opposed to when I look at everything else.

2096
02:55:01,100 --> 02:55:09,920
It's a construction investment, but a merge seems like a logical one hit every week and it's going to be what it is, but you're just hoping to grow it.

2097
02:55:10,940 --> 02:55:12,860
So it's for thought for conversation for my colleagues.

2098
02:55:13,460 --> 02:55:13,860
Thanks.

2099
02:55:19,350 --> 02:55:19,970
Commissioner Wilson.

2100
02:55:20,170 --> 02:55:26,270
And my, wow, that's amazing. You know, you guys know the old system I had a downpad.

2101
02:55:26,670 --> 02:55:30,170
I was like playing trivial pursuit over here just hitting them.

2102
02:55:30,170 --> 02:55:46,010
So, I am grateful for, I believe, you know, the interest obviously from our community, but I want to start, I want to rewind and start by saying that I'm incredibly grateful for the co-chairs and every single member that was

2103
02:55:46,010 --> 02:55:49,310
paneled on this task force for the amount of time and effort.

2104
02:55:50,050 --> 02:55:54,450
My colleagues and myself, we worked hard to figure out who would be good representatives.

2105
02:55:55,010 --> 02:55:57,550
The cities all participated in this.

2106
02:55:57,870 --> 02:56:05,810
It was a cross-section and I'm the greatest skeptic out there when we start working on these things to make sure that everything is being done the right way.

2107
02:56:06,230 --> 02:56:09,450
But it was a great cross-section of our presentation.

2108
02:56:09,450 --> 02:56:16,610
And so, what I wanted to ask of, not maybe not you, but Rosanne, and, and potentially, my colleagues

2109
02:56:16,610 --> 02:56:24,450
is shouldn't we be framing this information as part of the question about the task force findings.

2110
02:56:24,930 --> 02:56:31,670
This was one tool when I believe was a very extensive analysis that they utilized.

2111
02:56:32,430 --> 02:56:38,030
And to the point of being able to read through their concerns, and some of them aligned with your concerns,

2112
02:56:38,030 --> 02:56:46,170
but do we reinvent the process from the get-go based on the fact that they identified

2113
02:56:46,170 --> 02:56:51,330
some of these concerns as task force members, they were passed, passed, passed, passed,

2114
02:56:51,410 --> 02:56:56,490
tough questions, many of them did. And so I felt like that was encompassed to some degree

2115
02:56:56,490 --> 02:57:02,150
in the dialogue of the report if not the actual percentages that were allocated to some

2116
02:57:02,150 --> 02:57:05,710
of these things. So I guess my question in my call is that I don't only have a question

2117
02:57:09,730 --> 02:57:10,170
I'm just wondering if they are

2118
02:57:10,170 --> 02:57:12,430
We're in the middle of their presentation.

2119
02:57:12,970 --> 02:57:13,090
So.

2120
02:57:13,330 --> 02:57:13,770
Okay.

2121
02:57:13,830 --> 02:57:15,710
I just want to make sure that we're safe so

2122
02:57:15,710 --> 02:57:16,790
because on that.

2123
02:57:17,010 --> 02:57:17,410
Just process.

2124
02:57:18,390 --> 02:57:19,990
Let us get through.

2125
02:57:20,030 --> 02:57:21,190
Let Dr. Beer's finish.

2126
02:57:21,470 --> 02:57:21,950
We'll come back.

2127
02:57:22,430 --> 02:57:22,630
I think.

2128
02:57:23,170 --> 02:57:23,330
That's the right.

2129
02:57:23,450 --> 02:57:24,310
I just want to make that.

2130
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:26,190
But it's.

2131
02:57:26,250 --> 02:57:26,690
It's.

2132
02:57:27,430 --> 02:57:29,010
Interjected in the middle of their presentation.

2133
02:57:29,350 --> 02:57:31,250
So I'm trying to get them up and down.

2134
02:57:31,250 --> 02:57:34,030
And 100% realized that we're trying to be between now

2135
02:57:34,030 --> 02:57:35,250
and this afternoon's public hearings

2136
02:57:35,250 --> 02:57:37,010
can dance what you guys did in weeks.

2137
02:57:37,790 --> 02:57:39,090
So that's just for us to come back.

2138
02:57:39,410 --> 02:57:40,570
Let's come back to that.

2139
02:57:41,330 --> 02:57:41,370
OK.

2140
02:57:41,370 --> 02:57:43,430
Let me try to get them completed.

2141
02:57:44,690 --> 02:57:47,650
Commissioner Gomez Cadero was your question

2142
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:53,330
about what Dr. Bluston had presented.

2143
02:57:53,710 --> 02:57:58,290
This is why I took the Pauls to try to respond

2144
02:57:58,290 --> 02:58:00,510
to something that he specifically said

2145
02:58:00,510 --> 02:58:03,450
before we move to the general kinds of questions.

2146
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:05,910
Okay.

2147
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:10,840
Talk, yes, thank you.

2148
02:58:11,080 --> 02:58:14,480
Okay, and thank you everyone for being here today

2149
02:58:14,480 --> 02:58:17,780
and all the team, a tax force.

2150
02:58:18,060 --> 02:58:20,460
It means Dr. Bluston, I have a question

2151
02:58:20,460 --> 02:58:23,360
in regards to the slide number 18,

2152
02:58:23,460 --> 02:58:25,160
the summary of projects analyzed.

2153
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:27,380
I want to, can you clarify,

2154
02:58:27,660 --> 02:58:31,140
you said that the convention center is visible

2155
02:58:31,140 --> 02:58:32,980
on not visible to TTT funding.

2156
02:58:32,980 --> 02:58:35,640
I want you to clarify that, please. Thank you.

2157
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:41,480
Yes, so that line is strictly taken from the application where it says it asks the applicant

2158
02:58:41,480 --> 02:58:47,920
What you be feasible if you did not receive the amount of TDP funding requested and so on the convention center they said no

2159
02:58:47,920 --> 02:58:50,120
Everybody else said yes

2160
02:58:50,920 --> 02:58:52,940
Okay, thank you

2161
02:58:55,470 --> 02:58:56,970
Okay, Dr.

2162
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:01,080
Bees

2163
02:59:01,080 --> 02:59:07,820
Hey, good afternoon. Thank you mayor Demings and commissioners and thank you again to the mayor and the mayor's office

2164
02:59:07,820 --> 02:59:12,580
staff for the opportunity to present here today. I'm Ryan Nickenbeer's research status

2165
02:59:12,580 --> 02:59:16,880
session with Orange County Corrections Department and today I'll be presenting the results

2166
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:19,940
of the survey of task force members.

2167
02:59:25,350 --> 02:59:28,850
On the survey, task force members were asked to use the

2168
02:59:28,850 --> 02:59:35,390
following materials to evaluate applicants, including the interest indicator applications,

2169
02:59:41,170 --> 02:59:41,190
the

2170
02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:42,350
meeting notes,

2171
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:50,670
and so for the ARC matrix that has criteria where applicants are evaluated

2172
02:59:50,670 --> 02:59:56,450
on tourism expansion, project soundness, and anticipated return on investment, including

2173
02:59:56,450 --> 02:59:58,250
the workforce and community impact.

2174
03:00:00,980 --> 03:00:03,760
And this is the archmatrix for your reference.

2175
03:00:07,580 --> 03:00:16,960
And so based on task force feedback, the survey was simplified to two questions per applicant, rather than separate questions on every criteria.

2176
03:00:18,340 --> 03:00:25,860
The first question was a multiple choice question asking for respondent support of the funding requests, and it had eight options.

2177
03:00:26,780 --> 03:00:33,320
If the respondent selected strongly support, support, somewhat supported, do not support, that was considered ready for consideration.

2178
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:45,680
If they selected refer to another grant program too soon for consideration or does not qualify for TTT funding that was not ready for consideration and there's also an option to abstain due to a conflict of interest

2179
03:00:46,540 --> 03:00:58,280
The second question for each applicant asked for any comment and this was optional and then the last question on the survey asked for any recommendations or comments to the task force and this was also optional

2180
03:01:01,160 --> 03:01:12,600
The survey was sent out after presentations on August 5th, and it was completed between August 5th and August 8th, and 32 out of 34 task members completed the survey.

2181
03:01:13,360 --> 03:01:21,620
There were 41 questions on the survey with an average amount of times spent on the survey about about 60 minutes.

2182
03:01:22,060 --> 03:01:28,660
And I just want to mention that that does not necessarily include the time task force members reviewing all the materials beforehand.

2183
03:01:28,660 --> 03:01:36,240
The task force members met on August 11 to discuss the survey results and provide recommendations.

2184
03:01:37,380 --> 03:01:42,540
And we'll now present the 20 applicants in the order they presented and their survey results.

2185
03:01:43,820 --> 03:01:54,240
So our first applicant was the TD application review committee and they were requesting $75 million to $100 million to replenish the TTR grant programs.

2186
03:01:54,980 --> 03:01:59,880
And we'll focus on the numbers on the left, throughout the presentation, the solid support and average

2187
03:01:59,880 --> 03:02:00,320
sentiment.

2188
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:05,200
But we can see on the right, the number and percentage of respondents who selected each option.

2189
03:02:07,040 --> 03:02:11,040
When we originally presented this to the task force, we just presented the overall support

2190
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:15,720
to the task force, which was a total percentage of strongly support, support and somewhat

2191
03:02:15,720 --> 03:02:16,420
support.

2192
03:02:16,620 --> 03:02:21,260
However, during the meeting, they asked just to see the solid support, which is just the percentage

2193
03:02:21,260 --> 03:02:23,580
of strongly support and support.

2194
03:02:24,280 --> 03:02:29,400
So in this case, the solid support was 91% and that's made up of the 66% strongly support

2195
03:02:29,400 --> 03:02:31,760
and 25% support.

2196
03:02:32,820 --> 03:02:37,600
The task force also asked about the average sentiment, which is just the average of those

2197
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:42,340
who considered the project ready for consideration, assigning zero for do not support.

2198
03:02:42,820 --> 03:02:46,160
One for somewhat support, two for support and three for strongly support.

2199
03:02:46,940 --> 03:02:50,540
And the main idea with the sentiment is that if it's closer to three, there's a lot

2200
03:02:50,540 --> 03:02:55,320
strong support, closer to zero, a lot of do not support. In this case, the average

2201
03:02:55,320 --> 03:03:00,220
sentiment was 2.6 out of 3, and that's on the higher end of the range from 0 to 3.

2202
03:03:01,340 --> 03:03:07,360
And the right, it shows the full results of respondents. In this case, 66% of respondents

2203
03:03:07,360 --> 03:03:13,300
select as strong as support, 25% support, 6% somewhat support, and then 3% too soon for

2204
03:03:13,300 --> 03:03:19,100
consideration. Abstentions were zero, unless otherwise noted, and comments are not shown

2205
03:03:19,100 --> 03:03:27,240
to time, but these are available to you and when they were presented to the task force, they were also grouped into themes.

2206
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:33,520
So our next applicant was the Orange County Arts and Cultural Affairs.

2207
03:03:33,640 --> 03:03:42,000
They were requesting an additional 1% to 2% of the first four cents annually for new and increased grant programs for arts and cultural organizations.

2208
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:46,340
They currently received 5% of the first four cents annually.

2209
03:03:46,340 --> 03:03:51,160
There is 72% solid support for this project with an average sentiment of 2.2.

2210
03:03:51,880 --> 03:04:01,480
50% of respondents selected strongly support, 22% support, 90% somewhat support, 6% do not support, and 3% refer to another grant program.

2211
03:04:04,620 --> 03:04:07,540
An example can was the Orange County Ecotorism Grant program.

2212
03:04:07,700 --> 03:04:16,140
They were requesting $5 million to $10 million per year over a 10 year period to establish Orange County Ecotorism Grant program.

2213
03:04:16,140 --> 03:04:31,600
There was 72% saw support for this project with an average sentiment of 2.2, 41% of respondents selected strongly support, 31% support, 16% somewhat support and 3% did not support, 9% referred it to another grant program.

2214
03:04:34,050 --> 03:04:38,010
Next applicant was the Orange County Natural Resource Tourism Infrastructure Grant Program.

2215
03:04:38,010 --> 03:04:46,390
They were requesting $5 million per year over a 10-year period to establish the Orange County Natural Resource Tourism Infrastructure Grant Program.

2216
03:04:46,710 --> 03:04:52,010
There were 72 percent solid support for this project with an average sentiment of 2.3.

2217
03:04:53,150 --> 03:04:59,970
41 percent of respondents selected strongly support, 31 percent support, 16 percent somewhat support, and 12 percent refer to another group.

2218
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:00,620
Program.

2219
03:05:04,060 --> 03:05:13,460
Our next applicant was afford a citrus sports and greater Orlando sports commission. They were requesting $25 million for the establishment of a dedicated major events fund.

2220
03:05:14,120 --> 03:05:31,860
There was 41% solos of pour for this project with the average sentiment of 1.5, 22% of respondents selected strongly support, 19% support, 34% somewhat support and 16% did not support, 6% refer to another grant program and 3% did not qualify for TDT funding.

2221
03:05:33,710 --> 03:05:37,030
The next applicant was the Orange County Convention Center.

2222
03:05:37,370 --> 03:05:44,550
They were requesting $523 million for Project 5B to construct a multi-purpose hall at the existing North South building.

2223
03:05:45,030 --> 03:06:01,490
There was 50% solos of poor for this project with an average sentiment of 1.5, 22%, strongly supported the project, 28% support, 16% somewhat support, 25% did not support, 3% refer to another grant program and 6% too soon for consideration.

2224
03:06:01,490 --> 03:06:02,690
Our

2225
03:06:04,870 --> 03:06:06,650
next applicant was Alcros Capital.

2226
03:06:06,670 --> 03:06:10,850
They were requesting $48 million for the Florida Freshwater Discovery Center.

2227
03:06:11,350 --> 03:06:16,530
There was 13% solos support for this project with an average sentiment of 0.9.

2228
03:06:17,070 --> 03:06:23,590
9% of respondents selected strongly support, 3% support, 6% somewhat support, and 28% did not support,

2229
03:06:23,970 --> 03:06:31,350
3% referred to another grant program, 47% too soon for consideration, and 3% does not qualify for TDT funding.

2230
03:06:33,360 --> 03:06:37,580
Our next applicant was the association to preserve the Edenville community.

2231
03:06:38,000 --> 03:06:43,160
They were requesting $53 million for the Zora Neal Hirsten International Museum of Arts,

2232
03:06:43,540 --> 03:06:44,260
Heritage and Culture.

2233
03:06:44,760 --> 03:06:49,160
There was 44% saw support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.7.

2234
03:06:49,880 --> 03:06:57,360
25% of respondents selected strongly support, 19% support, 13% somewhat support, and 16% did not support.

2235
03:06:57,360 --> 03:07:03,060
6% referred it to another grant program and 22% considered it too soon for consideration.

2236
03:07:05,830 --> 03:07:14,330
Example Kim was forward to citrus sports, they were requesting $54 million to construct a multi-level parking structure on the camping-world stadium campus.

2237
03:07:14,770 --> 03:07:19,250
There was 47% solid support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.5.

2238
03:07:19,250 --> 03:07:24,970
22 percent of respondents selected strongly support, 25 percent support, 98 percent somewhat

2239
03:07:24,970 --> 03:07:27,010
support, and 25 percent did not support.

2240
03:07:27,630 --> 03:07:31,770
3 percent referred it to another grant program, 3 percent too soon for consideration, and

2241
03:07:31,770 --> 03:07:34,430
3 percent did not qualify for TTT funding.

2242
03:07:37,470 --> 03:07:39,550
Next, applicant was the Orange Audubon Society.

2243
03:07:40,190 --> 03:07:44,130
They were requesting $20 million for the Orange Audubon Natural History Museum.

2244
03:07:44,510 --> 03:07:50,390
There was 38 percent solid support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.9, 16 percent

2245
03:07:50,390 --> 03:07:53,410
of response is selected strongly support 22% support,

2246
03:07:53,650 --> 03:07:58,210
19% somewhat support, 41% are further to another grant program

2247
03:07:58,210 --> 03:08:00,270
with 3% too soon for consideration.

2248
03:08:03,490 --> 03:08:05,610
Our next applicant was the Creative City Project.

2249
03:08:05,650 --> 03:08:08,050
They were requesting $22.5 million

2250
03:08:08,050 --> 03:08:09,430
for the immersive festival.

2251
03:08:10,090 --> 03:08:12,570
There was 45% solace of support for this project

2252
03:08:12,570 --> 03:08:16,430
with an average sentiment of 2.1, 32% of respondents

2253
03:08:16,430 --> 03:08:20,830
selected strongly support, 13% support, 10% somewhat support,

2254
03:08:20,830 --> 03:08:28,650
10% did not support, 32% referred to another grant program and 3% does not qualify for TTT funding.

2255
03:08:29,090 --> 03:08:33,430
And there was one abstention on this project and so the percentages are out of 31 instead

2256
03:08:33,430 --> 03:08:35,010
of 32 in this case.

2257
03:08:38,380 --> 03:08:40,520
Our next applicant was the Ford Museum of History.

2258
03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:45,560
They were requesting $30 million to $50 million for the Ford Museum of History.

2259
03:08:46,060 --> 03:08:50,340
There were 16% saw support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.1.

2260
03:08:50,340 --> 03:08:57,620
30% of response is selected strongly support, 3% support, 6% somewhat support, and 25% did not support.

2261
03:08:58,080 --> 03:09:05,640
9% refer to another grant program, 41% to sue for consideration, and 3% did not qualify for TDT funding.

2262
03:09:08,750 --> 03:09:11,930
Our next applicant was the Doctor Phillips Center for the Performing Arts.

2263
03:09:11,930 --> 03:09:17,750
They were requesting $750 million to advance a portion of the four separate master plan projects.

2264
03:09:17,750 --> 03:09:24,410
There was 55% solos support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.6, 90% of

2265
03:09:24,410 --> 03:09:31,050
respondents selected strongly support, 35% support, 23% somewhat support, 90% did not support,

2266
03:09:31,550 --> 03:09:35,230
3% referred it to another grant program and there was one abstention.

2267
03:09:38,550 --> 03:09:41,030
Our next applicant was the University of Central Florida.

2268
03:09:41,290 --> 03:09:46,490
They were requesting $119 million to advance the three complementary capital projects.

2269
03:09:46,490 --> 03:09:51,270
There were 35% saw as a poor for this project with an average sentiment of 1.1.

2270
03:09:51,910 --> 03:09:54,610
16% of respondents selected strongly support,

2271
03:09:54,790 --> 03:09:59,270
19% support, 13% somewhat support, and 42% did not support.

2272
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:06,820
1% refer to another grant program in 3% that it did not qualify for TTT funding, and there was one abstention.

2273
03:10:11,420 --> 03:10:17,800
An example came with Dr. Phil Opsink, and they were requesting $16 million for the Eatonville Museum of Culture and History.

2274
03:10:18,280 --> 03:10:23,100
There was 63% saw as a support for this project with an average sentiment of 2.1.

2275
03:10:23,400 --> 03:10:31,340
41% of respondents selected strongly support, 22% support, 16% somewhat support, in 99% do not support,

2276
03:10:31,340 --> 03:10:36,380
6% refer to another grant program and 6% to assume for consideration.

2277
03:10:39,870 --> 03:10:42,530
Our next applicant is Orlando City Baseball Dreamers.

2278
03:10:42,850 --> 03:10:47,010
They were requesting $975 million for a major league baseball stadium.

2279
03:10:47,530 --> 03:10:52,250
There was 13% saw support for this project with an average sentiment of 0.9.

2280
03:10:53,030 --> 03:10:59,410
13% of respondents selected strongly support, 16% somewhat support, 29% did not support.

2281
03:10:59,410 --> 03:11:05,910
42% consider the project too soon for consideration and there was one abstention.

2282
03:11:09,170 --> 03:11:11,290
Our next applicant was the E Wape's Corporation.

2283
03:11:11,590 --> 03:11:15,110
They were requesting $25 million for the IM Children's Museum.

2284
03:11:16,090 --> 03:11:22,310
There is 50% saw a support for this project with an average sentiment of 2.0, 22% of respondents

2285
03:11:22,310 --> 03:11:30,330
selected strongly support, 28% support, 25% somewhat support, 25% refer to another grant program.

2286
03:11:33,080 --> 03:11:37,620
The next applicant was the town of the Invil community redevelopment agency.

2287
03:11:38,260 --> 03:11:43,220
They were requesting $22.5 million for the Invil Heritage Tourism District.

2288
03:11:43,980 --> 03:11:48,600
There was 22% saw support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.4.

2289
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:55,960
9% of respondents selected strongly support, 13% support, 13% sum was support and 13% did not support.

2290
03:11:55,960 --> 03:12:04,800
22% referred to another grant program, 28% too soon for consideration and 3% does not qualify for TDT funding.

2291
03:12:07,410 --> 03:12:15,230
Our next applicant was a city of Okoi with 30 million dollars for the expansion of the forest like golf club.

2292
03:12:15,610 --> 03:12:20,190
There was 34% solid support for this project with an average sentiment of 1.4.

2293
03:12:20,190 --> 03:12:23,230
16% of respondents selected strongly support,

2294
03:12:23,370 --> 03:12:25,850
19% support, 19% somewhat support,

2295
03:12:26,010 --> 03:12:27,850
and 19% did not support,

2296
03:12:28,370 --> 03:12:30,670
22% referred it to another grant program,

2297
03:12:30,750 --> 03:12:33,830
and 6% does not qualify for TDT funding.

2298
03:12:36,460 --> 03:12:39,320
Our last applicant was the Orange County Public Schools.

2299
03:12:39,460 --> 03:12:41,220
They were requesting $20 million

2300
03:12:41,220 --> 03:12:44,080
for the School of Arts and Entertainment at Cherokee.

2301
03:12:44,460 --> 03:12:47,280
There was 19% solid support for this project

2302
03:12:47,280 --> 03:12:49,900
with an average sentiment of 0.8.

2303
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:58,200
9% of respondents selected strongest support, 9% support, 6% somewhat support, and 41% did not support,

2304
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:04,540
28% referred it to another grant program, and 6% does not qualify for TDT funding.

2305
03:13:06,660 --> 03:13:14,080
And so the last question on the survey is for comments or recommendations to task force members, and this was optional,

2306
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:21,180
And each recommendation or a partial comment was separated and grouped into themes and the full comments are available to you.

2307
03:13:22,200 --> 03:13:24,840
There was 19 respondents to this question.

2308
03:13:25,820 --> 03:13:34,340
And so we had eight comments which related to each of broader uses of TDT funds, projects to support and TDT accounting review.

2309
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:39,060
There are also three comments relating to each of process statutory reduction.

2310
03:13:39,260 --> 03:13:43,140
Thank you and visit Orlando and there was one related to new tax.

2311
03:13:46,280 --> 03:14:02,300
And this is an applicant summary sorted by sentiment with a range from 0.8 to 2.6 and I'll just mention that whether the applicants were rated or were sorted by overall support.

2312
03:14:03,560 --> 03:14:08,580
All three lists had the same four applicants at the top and the same four applicants at the bottom.

2313
03:14:09,160 --> 03:14:13,360
So the same four applicants at the top were the TDT application review committee.

2314
03:14:13,720 --> 03:14:16,540
The Orange County Natural Resource Tourism Infrastructure Grant Program,

2315
03:14:17,140 --> 03:14:21,420
the Orange County Ecotourism Grant Program, and Orange County Arts and Cultural Affairs.

2316
03:14:21,900 --> 03:14:25,580
And the same four that they're at the bottom were Florida Museum of History,

2317
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:30,540
Orlando City Baseball Dreamers, Alchrist Capital, Orange County Public Schools.

2318
03:14:31,820 --> 03:14:43,460
And so this is again, a summary of the applicant sorted by sentiment, and so I'll now turn it over to Task Force Co-Chair any more to present recommendations.

2319
03:14:44,400 --> 03:14:44,640
Thank you.

2320
03:14:48,400 --> 03:14:48,560
All right.

2321
03:14:48,680 --> 03:14:49,500
Thank you, Donna Beers.

2322
03:14:50,580 --> 03:14:51,460
Thank you, Dr. Beers.

2323
03:14:51,660 --> 03:14:52,200
Good afternoon.

2324
03:14:53,080 --> 03:14:53,340
Mayor.

2325
03:14:53,920 --> 03:14:55,540
Comfortable diamond commissioners.

2326
03:14:55,620 --> 03:14:56,620
Thank you for your time.

2327
03:14:56,940 --> 03:14:57,900
Really everyone in the room.

2328
03:14:59,020 --> 03:14:59,960
It's really a pleasure.

2329
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:28,720
Chairman and honoured to finally present this report to pass this on to you for the work that you have ahead. I will try to be a succinct as possible to get us through this presentation. I must say, first of all, it was impressive to work with my colleagues on the committee who balance the tension between a commitment to steward these dollars for the very things that fuel TDT, and though that we have to be good stewards of being able to continue to generate this resource in our region, what an incredible bounty we have that we get to have conversations like this one.

2330
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:48,080
With the very, very well-known sentiment of our wider community members of this body, of that we have other needs as a community that would make us better at hosting the rest of the world, and a desire to really address those, along with the hope to see more of these dollars benefit more than the usual cast of characters to see more of its spread around the region.

2331
03:15:48,080 --> 03:15:51,140
And the end result is this report that you're now receiving.

2332
03:15:51,580 --> 03:15:53,620
Whatever versions you have seen in the process,

2333
03:15:53,960 --> 03:15:57,680
what you are receiving today is the final recommendation by this body.

2334
03:15:58,260 --> 03:16:02,520
The committee is seeking to provide you with the benefit of our input.

2335
03:16:02,780 --> 03:16:05,100
Here's what the public citizen reads,

2336
03:16:05,400 --> 03:16:07,580
thinks about these projects, what we recommend.

2337
03:16:07,820 --> 03:16:12,220
We have combined that with an economic impact study for all of its flaws.

2338
03:16:12,420 --> 03:16:16,160
The best that we were able to assemble with the expertise of Dr. Bluestone,

2339
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:21,280
so that you have that input and with the survey that we just walked you through all of these

2340
03:16:21,280 --> 03:16:26,420
are simply inputs. Final decisions will be made by you. Our hope is that this is helpful

2341
03:16:26,420 --> 03:16:31,400
for you as you evaluate and then make final decisions on each of these projects. I'll share our

2342
03:16:31,400 --> 03:16:36,400
recommendations and for your benefit we've also added a few visuals for each of these recommendation

2343
03:16:36,400 --> 03:16:42,640
number one advances the top four projects in the highest score and this was an interesting

2344
03:16:42,640 --> 03:16:46,940
and great to see endorsement by the committee of these ideas.

2345
03:16:47,220 --> 03:16:52,200
We knew that as Rosanne mentioned, some of these projects really should have gone directly

2346
03:16:52,200 --> 03:16:56,120
to some of these programs if they had known these programs were already funded and active

2347
03:16:56,120 --> 03:16:58,960
for them to do so, but ended up coming to the TDT committee.

2348
03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:03,900
Others were new ideas that seem long overdue and welcomed by the committee overall.

2349
03:17:04,240 --> 03:17:10,440
These include TDT application review committee, ARC, Arts and Cultural Affairs, Equal Tourism,

2350
03:17:10,440 --> 03:17:16,720
natural resource tourism infrastructure program so here there are with a little bit more detail on each of those

2351
03:17:17,140 --> 03:17:25,120
This the arc request that this grant program be replenished with 75 to 100 million dollars over a five-year period

2352
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:34,260
The Orange County Natural Resource Tourism Infrastructure Program request that the county would like to request 10 million of

2353
03:17:34,260 --> 03:17:40,520
for the creation of a tourism focus, Lake and River Restoration Program,

2354
03:17:40,880 --> 03:17:43,880
to help preserve publicly accessible water resource destinations,

2355
03:17:44,680 --> 03:17:46,340
improve and expand visitor access,

2356
03:17:46,820 --> 03:17:50,600
and continually strengthen the quality for visitor recreation experiences.

2357
03:17:53,760 --> 03:17:55,960
Orange County Equal Tourism Grant Program,

2358
03:17:56,660 --> 03:18:00,920
this request is for $5 million of TDT funds per year for 10 years

2359
03:18:00,920 --> 03:18:06,200
for the creation of a nature based tourism network showcasing the wide variety of

2360
03:18:06,200 --> 03:18:09,860
recreational and learning options that exist throughout our county.

2361
03:18:14,680 --> 03:18:22,480
And the arts and cultural affairs request that funding from 5% of the first four cents

2362
03:18:22,480 --> 03:18:25,340
to six or seven percent.

2363
03:18:29,400 --> 03:18:33,900
Our second recommendation really looked at those ranking towards the bottom of the list

2364
03:18:33,900 --> 03:18:39,420
when the TTT committee members evaluated the criteria and what things we could recommend

2365
03:18:39,420 --> 03:18:45,120
forward. These were the ones that ended up in that category. Number one is the Florida Museum

2366
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:52,340
of History, Orlando City Baseball Dreamers, all-Crest Capital and Orange County Public Schools

2367
03:18:52,340 --> 03:18:57,000
Project. These were not recommended to advance forward. These are some visuals for those.

2368
03:18:57,200 --> 03:19:02,900
The Metropolitan Museum of History for $50 million, Orlando Dreamers for $975 million.

2369
03:19:03,320 --> 03:19:08,660
All-Crest Capital or the Freshwater Discovery Center for $48 million in Orange County Public

2370
03:19:08,660 --> 03:19:13,240
schools, school of arts and entertainment at Cherokee for $20 million.

2371
03:19:17,240 --> 03:19:23,420
Our third recommendation was to advance these are the two projects in Eatonville that

2372
03:19:23,420 --> 03:19:30,240
survived the process to move forward to advance specifically Dr. Phillips' charities project

2373
03:19:30,240 --> 03:19:34,860
and refer the association to preserve the Eatonville community to another committee.

2374
03:19:35,640 --> 03:19:41,380
Here are some visuals on that particular project where Dr. Phillips was requesting $60 million

2375
03:19:41,380 --> 03:19:47,540
of an approximately $85 million total project which they seek to then fund the difference.

2376
03:19:48,680 --> 03:19:53,640
And the Zorad Niel Hurston International Museum of Arts, this is the Project by Association

2377
03:19:53,640 --> 03:19:59,720
to Preservee in the Ill Community, asking for $53 million being recommended for another committee.

2378
03:20:01,230 --> 03:20:09,650
Recommendation number 4 is to advance the creative city project for $2.5 million a year for five years.

2379
03:20:10,030 --> 03:20:17,010
We've heard plenty about this project today, popularly celebrated by members of the committee and the wider community as well.

2380
03:20:19,070 --> 03:20:29,550
Recommendations 5 through 10 advanced the following projects. Eight waves, children's museum, orange Autobots society, Dr. Phillips Center for the Performing Arts,

2381
03:20:29,550 --> 03:20:35,270
For the Citrus Sports Parking Garage, City of Okoi, Forest Lake golf course, and Town of

2382
03:20:35,270 --> 03:20:42,830
the Inville, CRA historic district. The Eight Wades Children Museum presented here with their

2383
03:20:42,830 --> 03:20:48,450
funny requests, visual visuals, and breakdown of both the groundwork and vertical construction

2384
03:20:48,450 --> 03:20:50,050
estimates that they present.

2385
03:20:53,250 --> 03:20:57,670
The Orange Audubon National History Museum at Apopka-Birding Park

2386
03:21:01,290 --> 03:21:04,910
and obviously the Dr. Phillips Center master plan.

2387
03:21:05,190 --> 03:21:08,870
We've heard you marks on this today in that particular project,

2388
03:21:10,590 --> 03:21:12,050
specifically their north block.

2389
03:21:15,280 --> 03:21:21,740
Campy Road State and Campus Extension, this is related to the already funding funded new venue

2390
03:21:21,740 --> 03:21:24,640
being developed and already funded at Campy Road Stadium.

2391
03:21:25,260 --> 03:21:30,040
As an extension of that program is this parking garage project as presented there.

2392
03:21:30,780 --> 03:21:35,900
The request is for $54 million on this project.

2393
03:21:38,230 --> 03:21:41,070
Forced Lake Conference, hospitality, sports tourism campus,

2394
03:21:41,250 --> 03:21:45,390
the applicant is the city of Okoi for these two capital projects.

2395
03:21:48,970 --> 03:21:51,350
And the Heritage Tourism District Project,

2396
03:21:51,390 --> 03:21:55,390
the request of $22.5 million by the town of E.M.

2397
03:21:55,390 --> 03:21:56,070
Bill CRA.

2398
03:22:01,240 --> 03:22:04,420
The following did not advance through this process,

2399
03:22:05,220 --> 03:22:08,160
and these include Orange County Convention Center,

2400
03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:14,900
Florida Citrus Sports and Greater Orlando Sports Commission made your events fund and the University of Central Florida.

2401
03:22:17,880 --> 03:22:26,040
These are visuals for each of these projects, the Orange County Convention Centers project 5B, the Grove was for 523 million dollars.

2402
03:22:26,520 --> 03:22:31,540
Florida Citrus Sports, Greater Orlando Sports Commission made your events fund was for 25 million dollars.

2403
03:22:32,260 --> 03:22:39,120
And the University of Central Florida's athletic tourism infrastructure investments at 119 million dollars.

2404
03:22:39,120 --> 03:22:46,220
Other recommendations by the Citizen Advisory Committee included number 11 that the county commission

2405
03:22:46,220 --> 03:22:52,440
explore every avenue to advance alternative uses of the tax, including but not limited to transportation

2406
03:22:52,440 --> 03:22:59,160
and affordable housing, or add additional pennies, or lower the 40% for tourism promotion,

2407
03:22:59,660 --> 03:23:01,340
and make it a legislative priority.

2408
03:23:02,500 --> 03:23:07,560
Recommendation number 12 is that the ARC grant program expand opportunities for special events

2409
03:23:07,560 --> 03:23:09,700
and small projects.

2410
03:23:12,840 --> 03:23:15,040
I'm going to hand it over now to Daniel Filippe,

2411
03:23:15,140 --> 03:23:17,620
Assistant Manager, Fiscal, and Business Services

2412
03:23:17,620 --> 03:23:19,200
to follow me in this presentation.

2413
03:23:30,450 --> 03:23:33,530
Good afternoon, Mayor, commissioners, and control a diamond.

2414
03:23:35,010 --> 03:23:37,770
So today I will be presenting six scenarios

2415
03:23:37,770 --> 03:23:40,190
which were prepared by Fiscal and Business Services

2416
03:23:40,190 --> 03:23:43,130
and the County's Financial Advisor PFM.

2417
03:23:43,670 --> 03:23:46,290
These scenarios illustrate the potential impact

2418
03:23:46,290 --> 03:23:52,750
of the county reserves, a funding all or a portion of the proposed projects advanced by the task force.

2419
03:23:53,250 --> 03:23:59,690
The goal is to provide you with an overall view of the county's overall funding capacity.

2420
03:24:04,150 --> 03:24:08,810
I will begin with presenting some key assumptions.

2421
03:24:09,450 --> 03:24:16,290
Then we will look at two funding scenarios assessing the county's capacity to fund the projects as recommended.

2422
03:24:16,290 --> 03:24:22,890
followed by force scenarios illustrating the county's estimated available capacity.

2423
03:24:23,650 --> 03:24:25,770
Finally, we'll conclude with some key takeaways.

2424
03:24:31,860 --> 03:24:36,540
When reviewing the scenarios, it is important to remember on these key assumptions.

2425
03:24:37,320 --> 03:24:47,940
All scenarios assume a revenue growth of 8% in fiscal year 2026 and 2% annually thereafter for the TTT revenue growth.

2426
03:24:47,940 --> 03:24:53,300
There is no debt issuance by the county for any of the proposed projects.

2427
03:24:54,160 --> 03:24:59,980
All current plan priorities and commitments are assumed as paid in accordance with existing payment schedule.

2428
03:25:00,860 --> 03:25:07,720
Project cash flows in the first four scenarios reflect the timing requested by each applicant in their application.

2429
03:25:09,340 --> 03:25:17,180
The Dr. Phillips Center for the Performing Art Project is the only project currently anticipated to be financed through long-term debt.

2430
03:25:17,940 --> 03:25:26,280
Financing is assumed to be finalized in fiscal year 28, which allows time to draft the inexecute the funding agreement and to structure the financing.

2431
03:25:26,280 --> 03:25:33,180
The first debt service payment is assumed to begin in fiscal year 29 and then we are assuming

2432
03:25:33,180 --> 03:25:39,360
a 6% interest rate and a 30-year-level debt service and that is consistent with the financing

2433
03:25:39,360 --> 03:25:42,820
use for the camping work project in 2024.

2434
03:25:47,310 --> 03:25:49,850
With these in mind, we will look at the two scenarios

2435
03:25:49,850 --> 03:25:53,130
assessing capacity for the recommended projects.

2436
03:25:56,930 --> 03:25:59,570
This start outlines all of the projects recommended

2437
03:25:59,570 --> 03:26:04,310
by the task force and includes a total amount requested for all applicants.

2438
03:26:04,990 --> 03:26:09,690
The only exception is the Creative City Project, which the task force recommended funding

2439
03:26:09,690 --> 03:26:12,750
for five years instead of the ten years requested.

2440
03:26:13,950 --> 03:26:18,950
This scenario includes the lower requested amounts for the TDC application review committee,

2441
03:26:19,230 --> 03:26:24,790
the ecotourism, and the arts and cultural affairs programs, so that's the 15,000,000,000

2442
03:26:24,790 --> 03:26:27,350
and 1% for arts.

2443
03:26:28,760 --> 03:26:38,640
The first row outlines the current estimated excess revenues, which projected annually after the current plant priorities are accounted for.

2444
03:26:38,920 --> 03:26:41,940
Then listed are the projects expected to be funded annually.

2445
03:26:42,800 --> 03:26:53,720
The first row highlighted in blue is the total estimated annual program funding, which reflects the combined funding request of all the recommended projects.

2446
03:26:53,720 --> 03:27:02,320
The real right be low that is the estimated debt service for the Dr. Phyllis Performing Arts Center Project.

2447
03:27:02,940 --> 03:27:17,660
This amount is based on 825 million total financing requirements, which consists of 750 million and project costs as requested and 75 million in estimated debt service reserve and cost of issuance.

2448
03:27:18,500 --> 03:27:26,220
The next row highlighted in blue shows the total proposed additional expenses for all the recommended projects.

2449
03:27:27,380 --> 03:27:36,400
Next is the estimated access revenues after additional expenses, which calculates excess revenues when all the proposed projects annual costs are considered.

2450
03:27:37,060 --> 03:27:42,500
Following this is estimated interest, earnings on the renewal and replacement reserve account.

2451
03:27:42,500 --> 03:27:48,160
And last, which is the most important role for this analysis, is the estimated unallocated

2452
03:27:48,160 --> 03:27:53,280
cash on hand, which provides the projected balance in their renewal and replacement reserve

2453
03:27:53,280 --> 03:27:56,260
account at the end of each fiscal year.

2454
03:27:56,720 --> 03:28:02,220
As many of you are aware, the controller recommends maintaining a target balance of 300 million.

2455
03:28:05,930 --> 03:28:12,870
So, as indicated and read under the scenario, county reserve is estimated to fall below the target

2456
03:28:12,870 --> 03:28:19,750
level in fiscal year 2029, and will remain below target for an extended period of time.

2457
03:28:20,310 --> 03:28:25,330
This indicates that the county does not have sufficient capacity to sustain these projects

2458
03:28:25,330 --> 03:28:28,030
at their requested timing and level.

2459
03:28:29,110 --> 03:28:33,750
If we include the higher requested amounts for the three grant programs, the balance would

2460
03:28:33,750 --> 03:28:36,530
fall below the target level even more.

2461
03:28:40,460 --> 03:28:47,600
So next, we will assess the capacity to fund the top nine ranked projects at the funding level and timing requested.

2462
03:28:48,340 --> 03:28:58,240
This scenario considers funding projects in the order ranked by sentiment and considers the lower funding request for ARC, ART and the Equatorism programs.

2463
03:28:59,460 --> 03:29:06,820
As illustrated, county reserves, again, is estimated to follow below the target level in fiscal year 2030,

2464
03:29:06,820 --> 03:29:11,260
And we'll also remain below target for an extended period of time.

2465
03:29:11,960 --> 03:29:18,900
And so again, this just demonstrates that there is not sufficient capacity to fund

2466
03:29:18,900 --> 03:29:24,320
these projects at the level and at the timing being requested.

2467
03:29:30,780 --> 03:29:35,720
So now we will look at four funding scenarios illustrating what the county could sustainably

2468
03:29:35,720 --> 03:29:37,620
fund within its current capacity.

2469
03:29:38,400 --> 03:29:44,740
This first scenario reflects the lower funding request for the granting organizations, while

2470
03:29:44,740 --> 03:29:50,120
limiting funding for the Dr. Phyllis Reform Narts project to 590 million.

2471
03:29:51,040 --> 03:29:56,000
Under this scenario, county reserved is estimated to remain above or near the target level

2472
03:29:56,000 --> 03:29:59,920
throughout the forecast period, would access revenues beginning to emerge.

2473
03:30:01,300 --> 03:30:02,000
So,

2474
03:30:07,300 --> 03:30:14,520
this scenario is similar to the previous, but it accounts for funding the grant programs at their higher

2475
03:30:14,520 --> 03:30:22,240
request. And in this scenario, the doctor-fillist performance arts project costs is limited to 320 million.

2476
03:30:23,180 --> 03:30:30,820
As illustrated, again, by the bottom line, county reserve is estimated to remain above or near the target level throughout

2477
03:30:30,820 --> 03:30:35,100
forecast period with excess revenues beginning to emerge in 2032.

2478
03:30:39,960 --> 03:30:40,960
Now the board does have

2479
03:30:40,960 --> 03:30:46,900
some flexibility in how it approaches funding, which can affect overall capacity, including

2480
03:30:46,900 --> 03:30:52,620
adjusting timing of funding. So when project funding is allocated and how those cost are distributed

2481
03:30:52,620 --> 03:31:00,100
across fiscal year, we can also adjust annual funding level, which changes to the amount ultimately

2482
03:31:00,100 --> 03:31:06,480
approved for each project, also duration of funding, spreading the project costs or for

2483
03:31:06,480 --> 03:31:12,480
rare current programs over more years. And lastly, the board can also consider funding

2484
03:31:12,480 --> 03:31:16,840
eligible project through established grant programs such as ARC.

2485
03:31:19,990 --> 03:31:20,850
And so with this in mind,

2486
03:31:20,970 --> 03:31:26,650
we will look at two additional scenarios to illustrate how timing, duration, and amount of funding

2487
03:31:26,650 --> 03:31:28,370
can affect overall capacity.

2488
03:31:31,420 --> 03:31:36,540
In this adjusted scenario, funding for ARC has been shifted to begin in fiscal year 29.

2489
03:31:37,140 --> 03:31:41,520
As ARC was previously funded for fiscal year 24 to 2028.

2490
03:31:42,400 --> 03:31:46,660
Funding for the equal tourism in the infrastructure programs has been shifted to begin

2491
03:31:46,660 --> 03:31:50,160
in fiscal year 28, allowing time for those programs to develop.

2492
03:31:51,440 --> 03:31:58,420
And the funding for E-MERS in fiscal year 27 was reduced by 1.25 million to account for

2493
03:31:58,420 --> 03:32:04,340
funding they are already receiving in this fiscal year from arts and cultural affairs blockbuster

2494
03:32:04,340 --> 03:32:04,980
program.

2495
03:32:06,660 --> 03:32:12,420
These changes increases the capacity to fund the Dr. Phyllis Reform and Arts program from

2496
03:32:12,420 --> 03:32:17,580
590 million in the previous scenario to 730 million.

2497
03:32:18,080 --> 03:32:22,420
County reserves is estimated to remain above or near the target level throughout the forecast

2498
03:32:22,420 --> 03:32:27,760
period would access revenues now emerging in 2034 instead of 2032.

2499
03:32:33,170 --> 03:32:40,090
If we consider the request for our ecoturism and art at the higher capacity,

2500
03:32:42,690 --> 03:32:43,690
this increases

2501
03:32:44,010 --> 03:32:52,070
the amount for the Dr. Philist, performing arts projects from 320 million from the previous

2502
03:32:53,210 --> 03:33:00,550
scenario presented to 530 million. Again, as you can see in the bottom line, county reserve

2503
03:33:00,550 --> 03:33:04,970
is estimated to remain above or near the target level throughout the forecast period with

2504
03:33:04,970 --> 03:33:07,590
excess revenues now emerging in 2034.

2505
03:33:11,270 --> 03:33:14,510
In conclusion, funding all the projects at the levels

2506
03:33:14,510 --> 03:33:19,250
recommended by the TTT task force and according to the timing requested by the applicants

2507
03:33:19,250 --> 03:33:24,470
is not within the county's SNA capacity while maintaining the target reserve level.

2508
03:33:24,890 --> 03:33:30,790
As illustrated, change in the project, cash flows, timing, duration, or findings in terms

2509
03:33:30,790 --> 03:33:35,210
can significantly affect the county's overall capacity to fund the recommended projects.

2510
03:33:35,950 --> 03:33:40,570
Final funding capacity will depend on the project's ultimately approved by the board,

2511
03:33:40,810 --> 03:33:45,390
the board's direction on funding amounts, timing, and duration, as well as the financing

2512
03:33:45,390 --> 03:33:48,990
terms for the project's funded with long term debt.

2513
03:33:48,990 --> 03:33:50,330
please.

2514
03:33:51,590 --> 03:33:53,770
I'll be available for questions.

2515
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:57,620
All right.

2516
03:33:58,580 --> 03:34:04,480
We'll open it up for questions by members of the board.

2517
03:34:07,820 --> 03:34:15,280
As you can see, I think there are some basic assumptions we have to make here.

2518
03:34:15,280 --> 03:34:16,860
And as we have this discussion,

2519
03:34:19,660 --> 03:34:25,160
in my humble opinion, it is not an option, but us to follow

2520
03:34:25,160 --> 03:34:30,840
the law, the control is recommended cash reserve balance of 300 million dollars.

2521
03:34:31,540 --> 03:34:44,380
So we start there, we know that we're going to have to adjust, you know, what we make

2522
03:34:44,380 --> 03:34:48,200
ultimately do as a Board of County Commission,

2523
03:34:50,400 --> 03:34:54,360
adjusting the timing of funding across

2524
03:34:54,360 --> 03:34:59,980
fiscal years, I believe, would be a fiscal improvement for us to do.

2525
03:35:00,660 --> 03:35:14,540
Staff was taken a noble look at projected revenue streams and capacity and meeting the controls

2526
03:35:14,540 --> 03:35:23,020
recommendation for a minimum cash balance. So if we all agree with some of these basic

2527
03:35:23,020 --> 03:35:34,100
concepts that we've laid out now, we can have a conversation about the board, whether to

2528
03:35:34,400 --> 03:35:47,180
go today is to accept the recommendations by the task force, but ultimately whatever financial

2529
03:35:47,180 --> 03:35:53,920
So the decisions that we may will require staff to go back and

2530
03:35:55,970 --> 03:35:57,990
delve into the details.

2531
03:35:58,730 --> 03:36:09,370
We will have to have specific conversations with some of the potential funding requesters

2532
03:36:09,370 --> 03:36:17,370
with the details there if we modify periods of time, again they get their projects done

2533
03:36:17,370 --> 03:36:21,390
and not, and that will require some additional

2534
03:36:21,390 --> 03:36:22,970
conversations and discussions.

2535
03:36:24,050 --> 03:36:25,950
So I'll open it up.

2536
03:36:25,990 --> 03:36:26,950
Excuse me, sir.

2537
03:36:27,390 --> 03:36:27,630
Yes?

2538
03:36:28,270 --> 03:36:29,750
Might I take just a moment?

2539
03:36:29,870 --> 03:36:30,650
Perhaps a loop.

2540
03:36:31,790 --> 03:36:35,690
Engineers address their probably complex questions,

2541
03:36:36,270 --> 03:36:39,530
because I'd like to speak for a moment

2542
03:36:39,530 --> 03:36:43,370
so that all of you can understand a little bit better,

2543
03:36:43,370 --> 03:36:47,870
just what the task force itself was faced with.

2544
03:36:48,430 --> 03:36:53,250
And those are some difficulties that you all may have a higher level of understanding,

2545
03:36:54,010 --> 03:36:56,850
but they are still things that we had to deal with.

2546
03:36:57,190 --> 03:36:59,510
One of them, of course, is timing.

2547
03:37:00,330 --> 03:37:05,270
Now, would we have liked to have three months instead of three weeks?

2548
03:37:06,270 --> 03:37:10,190
Perhaps you would not have had us leading the task force.

2549
03:37:10,190 --> 03:37:14,510
But that might have been preferable, who knows.

2550
03:37:15,410 --> 03:37:19,010
Secondly, I think that one of the great questions

2551
03:37:19,010 --> 03:37:24,130
that the public has that I have often heard spoken to

2552
03:37:24,130 --> 03:37:30,330
is what have other counties done to enable the expenditure

2553
03:37:30,330 --> 03:37:36,390
of TTT funding on more things that affect the community.

2554
03:37:36,390 --> 03:37:58,670
And when you look at the terms that we have used today, I think you're going to see that we have now introduced, perhaps not introduced, but we have referred frequently to two important terms, cultural tourism and ecotourism.

2555
03:37:58,670 --> 03:38:08,150
Those are ways in which those TD funds, TDT funds, may attract a new and different kind of visitor,

2556
03:38:08,930 --> 03:38:13,630
and also provide access to community organizations.

2557
03:38:15,630 --> 03:38:25,070
Thirdly, I think that we were all grappling with questions of size and scope and schedule.

2558
03:38:26,510 --> 03:38:33,430
Imagine, and you will find this yourselves when you buckled down to work.

2559
03:38:34,730 --> 03:38:41,150
Imagine comparing the Convention Center and their application and their ability to provide

2560
03:38:41,150 --> 03:38:45,290
information to Orange Audubon.

2561
03:38:46,010 --> 03:38:48,170
Totally volunteer, driven.

2562
03:38:48,170 --> 03:38:57,870
We would not have asked them to go higher in economic analysis to be done, but we hope

2563
03:38:57,870 --> 03:39:06,710
we hope that by presenting them to you, you would find a way in order to advance such a project.

2564
03:39:06,710 --> 03:39:17,850
Imagine having to compare a brand new project, the Children's Museum, with an established

2565
03:39:17,850 --> 03:39:20,550
project, like the Performing Arts Center.

2566
03:39:21,470 --> 03:39:27,710
I mean, how can you imagine a brand new project, compared with one that has existed

2567
03:39:27,710 --> 03:39:33,390
for 15 years, and that offers opportunities in this community every single night?

2568
03:39:34,070 --> 03:39:35,290
Except Christmas, I think.

2569
03:39:35,290 --> 03:39:41,830
And so, the scheduling of, again, building,

2570
03:39:44,190 --> 03:39:48,410
financing, all of those issues are very hard

2571
03:39:48,410 --> 03:39:54,450
for light people to deal with, and none of these folks were getting paid to do this work.

2572
03:39:55,810 --> 03:39:59,970
I do believe also that the mayor is...

2573
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:13,040
Large, that we look at opportunities for citizen input for cities to have their say was very useful. Every member

2574
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:21,120
of the task force played an important role. And as I said to the tourist development council who

2575
03:40:21,120 --> 03:40:28,880
decided after some thought to simply accept our report, not to endorse it, but accept it.

2576
03:40:29,700 --> 03:40:40,400
I believe that by studying tourism, by having ordinary citizens like us, study tourism

2577
03:40:40,400 --> 03:40:48,620
and discuss it in public meetings and on our TV, and that the recommendations that we

2578
03:40:48,620 --> 03:40:54,700
decided to put in our final report, not for your endorsement, but for your acceptance.

2579
03:40:55,920 --> 03:41:00,660
Really have established some goodwill in this community.

2580
03:41:01,420 --> 03:41:02,120
Fortourism.

2581
03:41:02,640 --> 03:41:04,500
I think people understand it better.

2582
03:41:05,180 --> 03:41:11,080
I think that they are more inclined to recognize the benefits that tourism has brought

2583
03:41:11,080 --> 03:41:16,040
to us and we all acknowledge those and appreciate those.

2584
03:41:16,040 --> 03:41:20,360
but also to understand the process a bit better.

2585
03:41:21,240 --> 03:41:24,260
Finally, I hope that you will ask the comptroller

2586
03:41:24,260 --> 03:41:29,820
to discuss perhaps again with you his slide on the buckets.

2587
03:41:30,580 --> 03:41:35,380
Because that is an issue that is very complex.

2588
03:41:35,560 --> 03:41:37,320
You all have worked with it before.

2589
03:41:38,000 --> 03:41:42,620
We had not, but I think that it is important going forward

2590
03:41:42,620 --> 03:41:51,000
to understand exactly how these funds flow, and how the capacity to do some of this work

2591
03:41:51,000 --> 03:41:52,380
is certainly available.

2592
03:41:53,620 --> 03:41:54,580
Thank you, our politics.

2593
03:41:58,060 --> 03:41:59,800
Mr. Moreton, any comments?

2594
03:42:01,100 --> 03:42:06,260
Well, I just say that I could not echo more the sentiments of my co-chair, and I cannot

2595
03:42:06,260 --> 03:42:10,140
thank you enough mayor for the privilege of being able to have this opportunity, particularly

2596
03:42:10,140 --> 03:42:11,140
with my co-chair.

2597
03:42:11,140 --> 03:42:13,480
It's been such an honor to serve with her.

2598
03:42:13,760 --> 03:42:17,280
I think the tensions that I mentioned at the beginning of my

2599
03:42:17,280 --> 03:42:19,640
review marks are represented in these final choices.

2600
03:42:19,800 --> 03:42:21,080
People were really trying to steward,

2601
03:42:21,480 --> 03:42:23,200
what is the actual job of this committee?

2602
03:42:23,520 --> 03:42:25,920
And one of the things we'd like to see happen in our community.

2603
03:42:26,660 --> 03:42:30,260
And the product are some very carefully thought

2604
03:42:30,260 --> 03:42:33,440
through and discuss choices that are being put forth

2605
03:42:33,440 --> 03:42:34,440
for this board.

2606
03:42:34,440 --> 03:42:35,520
And our hope is submitted.

2607
03:42:35,760 --> 03:42:38,880
That would be available to you as you make these decisions.

2608
03:42:38,880 --> 03:42:41,500
some of these projects were very straightforward,

2609
03:42:42,100 --> 03:42:43,480
and sometimes they still didn't survive.

2610
03:42:44,240 --> 03:42:47,040
And some were a bit more nuanced and atypical,

2611
03:42:47,580 --> 03:42:49,360
but felt like they merited an opportunity,

2612
03:42:49,620 --> 03:42:51,580
a moment to shine in the sun.

2613
03:42:52,080 --> 03:42:54,600
And each of you have constituents across this community.

2614
03:42:54,820 --> 03:42:56,200
You probably have people that are happy with you

2615
03:42:56,200 --> 03:42:57,980
that are not happy with you on how they feel,

2616
03:42:58,280 --> 03:42:59,460
but they report overall.

2617
03:43:00,000 --> 03:43:01,740
But the goal is to try to make the best choices

2618
03:43:01,740 --> 03:43:03,640
for this moment in time.

2619
03:43:03,840 --> 03:43:05,100
That certainly is your charge.

2620
03:43:05,460 --> 03:43:08,220
Our hope is to provide the best input

2621
03:43:08,220 --> 03:43:11,360
that the public could provide to this process in being helpful to you.

2622
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:12,220
So thank you.

2623
03:43:14,460 --> 03:43:14,600
All right.

2624
03:43:15,160 --> 03:43:16,100
Thank you.

2625
03:43:18,340 --> 03:43:20,760
You all can have a seat for both or moment.

2626
03:43:21,860 --> 03:43:26,540
As we kind of open it up for questions, but let me say this.

2627
03:43:29,760 --> 03:43:41,100
Out of these recommendations, the part about expanding our investments in equal tourism and cultural tourism.

2628
03:43:41,100 --> 03:43:49,040
I'm most excited about those two expansions, to the extent that we can afford it.

2629
03:43:49,400 --> 03:44:01,960
And on a third issue is going to the legislature to lobby for expanded eligible uses.

2630
03:44:01,960 --> 03:44:05,600
And that could take on,

2631
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:15,540
I think, the possibility of using TDT, expanding additional pinings

2632
03:44:15,540 --> 03:44:24,120
to do other things, that could perhaps address issues like transportation challenges with

2633
03:44:24,120 --> 03:44:27,880
that our community or other challenges that we have.

2634
03:44:27,880 --> 03:44:44,860
Today, we're still limited by the current statute, but I believe that it will take political persistence across the state of Florida.

2635
03:44:45,140 --> 03:44:49,420
We will have to bring some additional counties and local governments.

2636
03:44:49,420 --> 03:44:59,960
I think into the possibilities of what that could do for their communities, as well as our communities, if we were able to.

2637
03:45:00,590 --> 03:45:10,110
Opinia, we'll have you to do some expanded things. That conversation has to continue. It has to be

2638
03:45:10,110 --> 03:45:21,990
nurtured with partners, community partners as well as other local governments who will see them

2639
03:45:21,990 --> 03:45:29,160
similarly situated, as benefiting, if that happened. So that's going to take some work

2640
03:45:29,630 --> 03:45:39,070
quite frankly to get done. But even within the current eligible uses, we could do the

2641
03:45:39,070 --> 03:45:49,090
equal tourism. We could do the expanded cultural tourism investments. We can do those things

2642
03:45:49,090 --> 03:45:53,870
to the benefit of a man of our community based organizations and I'm going to

2643
03:45:53,870 --> 03:46:01,770
know some palettes who gave a lot of input and organizations came forward so I'm

2644
03:46:01,770 --> 03:46:07,490
going to open it up for questions so far.

2645
03:46:07,510 --> 03:46:10,170
Mayors, we do that. Mayors, we've already marked on the way you just said.

2646
03:46:10,170 --> 03:46:15,730
Yes, exactly. There's an overarching theme of reflection for us as a community about

2647
03:46:15,730 --> 03:46:20,750
This could not agree more, I think there was a lot of shared excitement about the eco tourism

2648
03:46:20,750 --> 03:46:26,490
and that we have so much to offer between all of the natural features of living in central

2649
03:46:26,490 --> 03:46:31,590
Florida that are just fantastic but are kind of under-selebrated and for people who might,

2650
03:46:31,630 --> 03:46:35,470
you know, we have young people who need to go live in Colorado or be close to the mountains

2651
03:46:35,470 --> 03:46:39,210
and we have a lot of great things here, how wonderful would it be to have people want to be here

2652
03:46:39,210 --> 03:46:45,190
because the natural resources we have become famous through tourism. The thought that we should

2653
03:46:45,190 --> 03:46:51,510
also be looking at ways to, how do we strengthen the natural ingredients that make up for

2654
03:46:51,510 --> 03:46:52,790
great tourism engines here?

2655
03:46:52,870 --> 03:46:56,530
Like the workforce that we have, like transportation and infrastructure, these wider

2656
03:46:56,530 --> 03:46:57,690
resource questions.

2657
03:46:57,850 --> 03:46:58,850
I think you're absolutely right.

2658
03:46:58,970 --> 03:47:03,810
I'm so thankful that the last committee and that you have already previously advocated

2659
03:47:03,810 --> 03:47:06,370
for really thinking wisely about how we do that.

2660
03:47:06,750 --> 03:47:11,430
At the same time, you know, we don't want to build a goose that lays the golden egg and

2661
03:47:11,430 --> 03:47:17,850
have these amazing assets here that generate all the CDT revenue. The thing I would have loved to have

2662
03:47:17,850 --> 03:47:23,950
seen more this time around, I hope that in the future we'll see more from the major venues

2663
03:47:23,950 --> 03:47:30,530
and public assets that we use to drive TET revenue in the area. The commitment to not only operate

2664
03:47:30,530 --> 03:47:35,370
to their mission, for tourism and beds and heads, but to have a pledge to the local surrounding

2665
03:47:35,370 --> 03:47:39,810
communities around them to be somehow also beneficial. We heard about how people had strong

2666
03:47:39,810 --> 03:47:44,970
feelings about the herd even today about people's wages and certain hospitality related

2667
03:47:44,970 --> 03:47:49,530
industries and sectors and the larger impact of just operating that business, it might

2668
03:47:49,530 --> 03:47:54,910
fill our coffers as a community, but it's having real impact right where it's at.

2669
03:47:55,190 --> 03:47:59,710
In our kind of neck of the woods on the west side for the stadium story of FCS, it's pledging

2670
03:47:59,710 --> 03:48:01,610
themselves to be a benefit to that community.

2671
03:48:02,330 --> 03:48:03,950
That story has been out for so long.

2672
03:48:03,970 --> 03:48:09,290
I thought I would have heard more projects say, and here's how we want to benefit the

2673
03:48:09,290 --> 03:48:12,890
we're going to operate, and here's how we're going to create benefits for children and families.

2674
03:48:13,270 --> 03:48:16,550
If every single one of these investments, not only fulfills the mission of beds and

2675
03:48:16,550 --> 03:48:20,250
heads, but makes our community stronger in other ways.

2676
03:48:20,690 --> 03:48:24,690
And we don't have to come up with ways to spend money to make up for the impact that they

2677
03:48:24,690 --> 03:48:26,610
might not be having in other areas.

2678
03:48:27,050 --> 03:48:33,550
So I would just add that last little data point that the venues or attractions that we support

2679
03:48:33,550 --> 03:48:38,050
with TDT, like we would expect the company to have a commitment to social responsibility,

2680
03:48:38,050 --> 03:48:44,650
You should also have a lens for shared value this drink in our community by what they do every day not just put beds in head

2681
03:48:44,650 --> 03:48:46,770
So thank you

2682
03:48:46,770 --> 03:48:50,250
You know, when you say b's and he is you know

2683
03:48:51,510 --> 03:48:54,400
We usually refer to it as he is and b's

2684
03:48:56,570 --> 03:49:01,590
Maybe a tired but but but I understand what you're saying

2685
03:49:01,590 --> 03:49:04,990
You know, we could get out thoughts around

2686
03:49:07,370 --> 03:49:12,390
the two of reals, I'm putting, bringing people in, you know, we can put those, those thoughts

2687
03:49:12,390 --> 03:49:15,510
of people in Beas and I here, but in any of the case.

2688
03:49:16,110 --> 03:49:24,550
All right, I'm going to kind of go and order here, we're going to start with Commissioner Wilson

2689
03:49:25,230 --> 03:49:32,750
and Commissioner, if you can, if you have a specific question, if you can address it to who

2690
03:49:32,750 --> 03:49:38,210
you think needs to address it if you're not certain, then we'll look to count it in the

2691
03:49:38,210 --> 03:49:43,050
administration to help there. Then we're going to go to Commissioner Scott, Commissioner

2692
03:49:43,050 --> 03:49:52,090
Yerebe, Commissioner Crab, and then Commissioner Gomez, Codaro. Okay, so we're going

2693
03:49:52,090 --> 03:49:55,130
to start with Commissioner Wilson.

2694
03:50:07,680 --> 03:50:10,920
Thank you so much, Mayor.

2695
03:50:14,900 --> 03:50:24,340
You teach a master class in diplomacy and eloquence for how to state what I believe, so many of us think.

2696
03:50:24,340 --> 03:50:26,960
Yes, I'm seeing hands out there.

2697
03:50:28,020 --> 03:50:40,400
It is what I believe after having sat here for several years, in hearing what, in that being sometimes very contentious debates, I walk out at the end and think we're all fighting for the same thing.

2698
03:50:40,400 --> 03:51:05,560
And so understanding the unifying piece of this, which is that ultimately the investments in things that grow this tourism tax, can really provide benefits for our residents and seeing it spread out from what we understand to be our traditional core tourism corridor, because this is how people travel these days.

2699
03:51:05,560 --> 03:51:12,820
is they do want to see more and they do and the evidence continues to show that so thank you

2700
03:51:12,820 --> 03:51:21,780
for teaching me and allowing me to follow I can only aspire to be I think as diplomatic and

2701
03:51:21,780 --> 03:51:27,000
impactful as you've been and I'm just really grateful for that. I also want to think I've

2702
03:51:27,000 --> 03:51:34,900
I know I have one of my appointees here Joe Dunn who is an environmental advocate from years back

2703
03:51:34,900 --> 03:51:38,260
that watching his participation in my other appointee

2704
03:51:38,260 --> 03:51:40,020
was actually disability rights advocate.

2705
03:51:40,800 --> 03:51:44,180
And so seeing the people who came together to produce

2706
03:51:44,180 --> 03:51:47,300
what the support is, understanding that it's not perfect,

2707
03:51:47,440 --> 03:51:49,480
that we do have a lot of work to do.

2708
03:51:50,020 --> 03:51:51,360
I just want to state for the record

2709
03:51:51,360 --> 03:51:54,580
that I support the findings of the task force.

2710
03:51:55,380 --> 03:51:58,540
I also want to make sure to clear out

2711
03:51:58,540 --> 03:52:00,940
what I would say is a bumpy start for me

2712
03:52:00,940 --> 03:52:03,200
because I think I was very concerned

2713
03:52:03,200 --> 03:52:26,080
And I do want to make sure I get clarification today from Whitney from her county attorney's office to make sure that on the record everybody sort of understands the legal review because it you know the very first meeting that that was held there was a preliminary and you stated it you know perfectly clear this is a very preliminary legal review.

2714
03:52:26,080 --> 03:52:31,220
it is not as positive, it doesn't necessarily eliminate them, but this is what Mike, you

2715
03:52:31,220 --> 03:52:37,640
know, my initial review shows. And from that review, there were some that were disqualified

2716
03:52:37,640 --> 03:52:43,660
for the next round. And so in between that first and second stage, I had questions about,

2717
03:52:43,800 --> 03:52:49,920
well, if it's not as positive, then how are they already eliminated? And if their legal

2718
03:52:49,920 --> 03:52:57,800
the principal eligibility is the concern later on in the evaluation there were questions about

2719
03:52:57,800 --> 03:53:05,920
them being able to be better served by other TTT funded grants. And so my concern there is

2720
03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:12,660
if they were disqualified based on their eligibility from the start does that then just qualify

2721
03:53:12,660 --> 03:53:18,460
them for anything that is provided through TTT funding. And so if I could just kind of get your thoughts

2722
03:53:18,460 --> 03:53:20,500
on those two pieces.

2723
03:53:23,150 --> 03:53:28,850
So, Commissioner, make sure I'm understanding the question clearly, and I think I need to reframe

2724
03:53:28,850 --> 03:53:34,910
the first part because what I did initially for the committee, as you said, was kind

2725
03:53:34,910 --> 03:53:38,950
of a gloss over a legal review because, of course, as we now know, we didn't have a lot

2726
03:53:38,950 --> 03:53:40,910
of in-depth information on some of these.

2727
03:53:41,150 --> 03:53:43,730
I did not eliminate any of these projects.

2728
03:53:44,170 --> 03:53:48,490
I simply said some of these seem like they have more issues than others.

2729
03:53:48,490 --> 03:53:56,230
There was a vote by the committee, which then turned into a reconsideration and amendment and multiple

2730
03:53:57,210 --> 03:53:59,290
parliamentary procedures happen at that meeting.

2731
03:53:59,730 --> 03:54:03,250
But I did not eliminate any of these from consideration.

2732
03:54:03,830 --> 03:54:04,890
And I said one thing identified.

2733
03:54:05,230 --> 03:54:06,430
So again, a lot of the committee.

2734
03:54:06,710 --> 03:54:12,490
I think for identifying what was an opportunity to ask some of those difficult questions.

2735
03:54:12,490 --> 03:54:26,270
So the presentation that was distributed that day prior to any discussion only listed the ones that sort of met legal muster and so they were already eliminated based on the slide presentation.

2736
03:54:26,570 --> 03:54:30,750
So they were technically eliminated and I don't know if that was a decision made.

2737
03:54:32,070 --> 03:54:34,990
I just sort of trying to figure out how to speak to the part that I did.

2738
03:54:34,990 --> 03:54:42,410
Maybe we're standing and it helps me understand a little better because I want to make sure and I know it seemed like I was pitching for a specific project

2739
03:54:42,410 --> 03:54:49,670
But really the process was what I wanted to make sure I understood so that any of those projects that maybe today wasn't the day for them

2740
03:54:49,670 --> 03:54:57,550
Or they weren't eligible weren't going to waste their time later in a different TDT grant opportunity or if they had

2741
03:54:58,490 --> 03:54:59,910
You know some other

2742
03:55:04,060 --> 03:55:11,400
So, I don't know if you can speak to it. There were some very obvious ones. The one that was outside of Orange County, pretty obvious.

2743
03:55:11,980 --> 03:55:22,320
But some of them, I think, because of the fact that they were in these spreadsheet identified as potentially not legally eligible.

2744
03:55:27,380 --> 03:55:31,080
I'm going to go ahead and address Commissioner Wilson's concerns.

2745
03:55:31,860 --> 03:55:36,240
So we had the 24 applications and we had one that was located in Lake County.

2746
03:55:36,700 --> 03:55:43,280
So we eliminated that one and the second one only requested $10 million and so we pulled

2747
03:55:43,280 --> 03:55:44,040
that one out.

2748
03:55:44,460 --> 03:55:49,500
And then there were some others that actually ended up in the bottom of our ranking anyway

2749
03:55:49,500 --> 03:55:54,120
because and it was the desire of the task force.

2750
03:55:54,120 --> 03:55:57,700
So we had originally gone in and said, these have some challenges

2751
03:55:58,320 --> 03:56:02,100
that we think they need more time and probably are better suited

2752
03:56:02,100 --> 03:56:04,440
to maybe look at another grant program

2753
03:56:04,440 --> 03:56:08,200
because maybe there were components of their request that

2754
03:56:08,200 --> 03:56:11,100
qualified, but there were components that didn't.

2755
03:56:11,420 --> 03:56:14,940
And so it would give them more time to figure out

2756
03:56:14,940 --> 03:56:16,600
what worked and what didn't work.

2757
03:56:17,240 --> 03:56:20,440
And the task force said, well, no, we want to see them anyway.

2758
03:56:20,900 --> 03:56:23,600
And so we want to head and saw some of those presentations.

2759
03:56:23,600 --> 03:56:30,560
And some of them actually naturally did end up coming out in the wash.

2760
03:56:31,140 --> 03:56:36,740
But I think that was more, it wasn't so much the elimination because they weren't qualified.

2761
03:56:37,100 --> 03:56:40,920
It was more that they were components that were components that weren't.

2762
03:56:41,660 --> 03:56:48,180
And so we were trying to prioritize, but the task force, which this was the beauty of the task force.

2763
03:56:48,180 --> 03:56:57,080
The task force decided that they wanted to see them all, and they actually ended up going from 24 to 20, and so we listened.

2764
03:56:57,660 --> 03:57:01,560
Again, I'm so grateful that process worked the way it was intended to work.

2765
03:57:01,740 --> 03:57:07,480
So I want to make sure that just looking forward that some of those, and the ones I think there was to the way through,

2766
03:57:08,040 --> 03:57:14,680
but anybody that's looking at this process, and they may have heard that there was some potential concern about their legal eligibility,

2767
03:57:14,680 --> 03:57:21,620
would they be prohibited from looking into the grant opportunities that are funded by TTT

2768
03:57:21,620 --> 03:57:28,300
once they've been deemed ineligible from this as a, as a, as a project?

2769
03:57:29,440 --> 03:57:33,720
We don't have the ability to prohibit anyone from applying for anything in the future,

2770
03:57:34,400 --> 03:57:36,280
so that's what I will say to that.

2771
03:57:36,280 --> 03:57:46,320
And I will reiterate that my legal analysis was a very basic legal analysis because I did not have all of the facts now.

2772
03:57:46,400 --> 03:57:49,960
That's not to say that I don't still have some questions on some of these.

2773
03:57:50,800 --> 03:58:00,400
However, if any of them apply to any of our grant opportunities in the future, including any that you all may approve for new grant opportunities, they're going to undergo a legal review at that point.

2774
03:58:00,400 --> 03:58:12,860
And that's the point that I'm trying to make is there were quite a few, I think, incredible conversations about the opportunities that these new grants that were going through the process at the exact same time would be presenting.

2775
03:58:13,820 --> 03:58:27,680
And my concern was that if as part of the initial discussion they were eliminated either by perception or reality for having maybe not made cut legal muster that they would then not see themselves as eligible.

2776
03:58:27,680 --> 03:58:33,980
And I want to make sure that we're clarifying that that is not necessarily the case that it would require review at that next level.

2777
03:58:35,810 --> 03:58:39,450
Anything would require with the next level. Yes. Thank you.

2778
03:58:39,950 --> 03:58:44,710
And then just to say on the record mirror, I know this is a long hearing and I'm going to plan my plan here.

2779
03:58:44,970 --> 03:58:49,370
But I support the recommendations of this task force and their findings.

2780
03:58:49,870 --> 03:58:56,030
I do think it's important that those grant programs are funded to the full capacity of the recommendation.

2781
03:58:56,910 --> 03:59:01,590
understanding that we may end up having to delay their implementation due to financial

2782
03:59:01,590 --> 03:59:02,290
constraints.

2783
03:59:05,320 --> 03:59:05,480
Okay.

2784
03:59:05,660 --> 03:59:08,360
I'm just a commissioner.

2785
03:59:08,820 --> 03:59:08,880
Scott.

2786
03:59:15,310 --> 03:59:24,290
I think there's a bit of a delay from the time you do your thing to, thank you Mayor, Mayor

2787
03:59:24,290 --> 03:59:28,070
Chapin, Eddie, members of the committee, thank you for your time.

2788
03:59:31,770 --> 03:59:35,710
So I have 15 questions I'm not going to ask all of them.

2789
03:59:35,710 --> 03:59:42,810
So I just kind of let you guys know, I'm going to try to do this quickly and shout out to

2790
03:59:42,810 --> 03:59:47,830
the friends of like a pop guy I see over there and treat you while with the night of

2791
03:59:47,830 --> 03:59:48,130
the arts.

2792
03:59:48,510 --> 03:59:51,990
Some of my favorite people, they're more than people, but I just want to shout to you all.

2793
03:59:55,750 --> 03:59:58,390
So I guess my first question is Rosanne.

2794
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,220
Given a presentation last week and we were giving another presentation this morning, so if you

2795
04:00:06,220 --> 04:00:10,080
could summarize what changes were made between those documents.

2796
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:15,780
One has, maybe like, 98 pages,

2797
04:00:15,980 --> 04:00:18,660
the other one has 81 pages I've been trying to sift through.

2798
04:00:19,520 --> 04:00:29,260
Yes, so the original final report draft was added to legislative and it was the basic document.

2799
04:00:29,260 --> 04:00:33,880
And from that time we were waiting for Dr. Blueston's final report.

2800
04:00:34,260 --> 04:00:37,240
And so when we sent that, we also sent an email that said,

2801
04:00:37,560 --> 04:00:40,860
here's all the other components that we will include.

2802
04:00:41,160 --> 04:00:43,740
But we're waiting for Dr. Blueston's final report,

2803
04:00:43,940 --> 04:00:45,800
which we got yesterday afternoon.

2804
04:00:46,280 --> 04:00:49,260
He gave us the presentation on Friday, which was sent to you all.

2805
04:00:49,580 --> 04:00:54,320
So once we got his final report, we put that into the document,

2806
04:00:54,720 --> 04:00:57,160
and then from there after Commissioner of Briefings,

2807
04:00:57,160 --> 04:01:01,960
We got some input on, we had provided you all the comments separately.

2808
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:04,560
We had provided you all the presents separately.

2809
04:01:05,160 --> 04:01:08,260
So we decided let's just pull it all together in the appendix.

2810
04:01:08,460 --> 04:01:09,960
So you had everything in one place.

2811
04:01:10,380 --> 04:01:13,380
So what we added was Dr. Beer's presentation.

2812
04:01:13,600 --> 04:01:15,260
We added all the comments.

2813
04:01:15,800 --> 04:01:18,420
We added Dr. Bluestone's final report.

2814
04:01:18,820 --> 04:01:23,680
And then we went ahead and reformatted some of it

2815
04:01:23,680 --> 04:01:25,720
to make it a little bit more user friendly.

2816
04:01:25,720 --> 04:01:29,400
So we didn't change the recommendations at all.

2817
04:01:29,620 --> 04:01:35,680
They stayed the same and we just added more information based on request to have it all

2818
04:01:35,680 --> 04:01:36,320
on document.

2819
04:01:36,860 --> 04:01:38,420
Thank you for that answer.

2820
04:01:38,420 --> 04:01:43,480
I have a short term request for you and a more long term request for Byron.

2821
04:01:44,240 --> 04:01:50,280
My short term request is I do understand that sometimes things do come together, right?

2822
04:01:50,560 --> 04:01:53,060
You're pulling information for a number of people.

2823
04:01:53,060 --> 04:01:58,900
not just your main to the TTT conversation, but all conversations that we have, and so I would

2824
04:01:58,900 --> 04:02:05,360
ask that going forward if there are substantial changes that we be given a summary, so we're

2825
04:02:05,360 --> 04:02:10,480
not trying to decipher between what we've studied in research versus what was just presented

2826
04:02:10,480 --> 04:02:16,920
to us after the meeting had started, okay? Long term and I've said this a number of times before

2827
04:02:16,920 --> 04:02:22,120
I think maybe I should have done a more formal memo, but we received the agenda late afternoon

2828
04:02:22,120 --> 04:02:26,820
on Wednesday, give her take you zero on one o'clock or so, and we require to review and if we

2829
04:02:26,820 --> 04:02:31,400
have any concerns or changes, we have to submit them Friday by five, that needs to change.

2830
04:02:32,040 --> 04:02:36,980
We have several hundred potentially over a thousand pages of documents to review in less

2831
04:02:37,820 --> 04:02:41,880
than 48 hours to make a decision on how we feel, that needs to be extended.

2832
04:02:42,200 --> 04:02:46,020
So I know we've talked about looking at our rules of procedures if I have to do this more

2833
04:02:46,020 --> 04:02:49,760
from where I will, but I'm just saying again, the commissioners need more time to review

2834
04:02:49,760 --> 04:02:55,460
these documents, and more time to provide feedback to county staff if there are changes

2835
04:02:55,460 --> 04:02:55,920
to be made.

2836
04:02:56,100 --> 04:02:59,180
That's for you, by and for our later date, I know there are going to be changes in the

2837
04:02:59,180 --> 04:03:00,960
future, but I just want to say that on the record.

2838
04:03:02,140 --> 04:03:09,400
My second question for you, Rosanne, is when you and I had a 101 meeting and then we had

2839
04:03:09,400 --> 04:03:13,320
our briefing yesterday, when did the rubric change?

2840
04:03:13,400 --> 04:03:17,280
I know you were kind of looking at it as I understand it would use the rubric from the previous

2841
04:03:17,280 --> 04:03:43,200
TTT commission can you kind of summarize that because as I understand it, they might have been a couple of changes and when did it change the rubric to how the projects were evaluated when did it change or did it change because again, as I understand it, we were using the same rubric and same process from the previous TTT commission I do not remember in our conversations not saying you didn't say it, but I do not remember in our conversations the sentiment score that kind of came up later on.

2842
04:03:43,200 --> 04:03:47,560
So if you can kind of summarize what if any changes were made to the rubric and work.

2843
04:03:49,360 --> 04:03:57,620
So there was the arc matrix that we utilized in 2023 and at that time the survey was based

2844
04:03:57,620 --> 04:04:06,800
on that arc matrix in 2024 the arc advisory board updated the matrix they made some minor

2845
04:04:06,800 --> 04:04:14,400
changes to it. That was what brought forward to the 2021-26 task force. In discussions with

2846
04:04:14,400 --> 04:04:19,360
the co-chairs and some of the task force members, there was a request. Yes, they wanted

2847
04:04:19,360 --> 04:04:26,620
to use the matrix and form their decision, along with presentations and along with the economic

2848
04:04:26,620 --> 04:04:35,320
analysis, but they wanted a broader survey that allowed them to just give some level of support.

2849
04:04:35,320 --> 04:04:41,820
So, yes, they were constructed and you can look at the instructions on the survey that says,

2850
04:04:41,820 --> 04:04:47,820
please utilize the rubric, please utilize your discussions, your notes, the presentations,

2851
04:04:48,200 --> 04:04:52,720
and the applications to inform your decisions as you fill out the survey.

2852
04:04:53,180 --> 04:04:59,680
But that was something that was done within the task force, and I don't know if any chair

2853
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:09,500
And we would like to make sure any others would like to weigh in on that. But it was in response to what the task force had asked us to make that change.

2854
04:05:10,100 --> 04:05:16,060
We had prepared the other presentation ready to use that survey. Dr. Beerus was ready to use that one.

2855
04:05:16,060 --> 04:05:28,960
And then we got requests that that one was a little too prescripted. They wanted something a little broader, that because some of these smaller projects, it was hard to get down to that granular level.

2856
04:05:28,960 --> 04:05:36,960
And I think that was the challenge when you look at the group rookie and you look at some of these very, very small projects, it is very hard to get to that level.

2857
04:05:37,460 --> 04:05:41,460
So that's why they suggested a wider type of survey.

2858
04:05:42,720 --> 04:05:45,000
All right, I want, that's okay.

2859
04:05:46,540 --> 04:05:51,160
Because I want to be respectful of everyone's time in my colleagues who I know have a number of questions.

2860
04:05:51,680 --> 04:05:56,260
So I have a number of follow-up, so I'm not going to ask, we'll just have a briefing or have a conversation afterwards.

2861
04:05:56,260 --> 04:05:59,980
I do have two additional questions, one for you and one for the professor.

2862
04:06:02,320 --> 04:06:08,180
So, we made a change to the visit or a land of board to which the commissioner with

2863
04:06:08,180 --> 04:06:14,120
the highest number of hotel rooms or what have you would serve seats.

2864
04:06:14,340 --> 04:06:17,680
And so I believe that put commissioner Wilson on that board.

2865
04:06:18,720 --> 04:06:22,760
You sometimes serve on the board as a representative of the mayor in my, am I right?

2866
04:06:23,400 --> 04:06:23,680
Yes.

2867
04:06:23,680 --> 04:06:27,940
I, the mayor automatically gets a seat on the board and I am his representative.

2868
04:06:28,240 --> 04:06:28,540
Copy.

2869
04:06:29,340 --> 04:06:36,140
So we, visiteral window, don't they give equal tourism dollars or, like, I guess was there

2870
04:06:36,140 --> 04:06:41,700
a conversation about how they give equal tourism dollars to maybe, like, because I know

2871
04:06:41,700 --> 04:06:45,460
some prod school referred to different places, but has that ever been, was it ever a discussion

2872
04:06:45,460 --> 04:06:48,900
about the equal tourism dollars that visiteral window gives out?

2873
04:06:48,900 --> 04:06:55,700
So Commissioner Wilson, they do, and all kinds of, it might be some kind of, I really don't

2874
04:06:55,700 --> 04:07:01,560
know the answer to what level of visit or land does equal tourism advertising?

2875
04:07:01,820 --> 04:07:04,400
Looks like we need to, she got a quiz, so.

2876
04:07:05,600 --> 04:07:10,700
I don't have a answer on how many specific dollars they spend commissioner, I would just

2877
04:07:10,700 --> 04:07:15,180
tell you that the contract that we sign with them does require them to include ecotourism

2878
04:07:15,180 --> 04:07:16,500
as part of their advertising.

2879
04:07:16,500 --> 04:07:19,940
at advertising, not necessarily marketing and promotion.

2880
04:07:20,600 --> 04:07:22,440
Copy, thank you, you look amazing today.

2881
04:07:23,280 --> 04:07:23,540
All right.

2882
04:07:23,540 --> 04:07:24,540
Thank you.

2883
04:07:25,240 --> 04:07:27,280
Professor, my last question for you.

2884
04:07:27,360 --> 04:07:28,720
Like I said, I have a number of follow-ups,

2885
04:07:29,020 --> 04:07:30,480
but again, just in the interest of time,

2886
04:07:30,620 --> 04:07:33,440
I'll save those for either email or briefing.

2887
04:07:33,920 --> 04:07:36,800
So, Professor, you talked earlier,

2888
04:07:37,700 --> 04:07:38,860
hold on.

2889
04:07:39,420 --> 04:07:41,100
In your presentation,

2890
04:07:44,200 --> 04:07:44,720
today,

2891
04:07:48,080 --> 04:07:58,640
And I'm speaking to, I guess it's page eight, appendix D, table nine, TTT, and total

2892
04:07:58,640 --> 04:08:04,120
projects, spending ROI, the implant, TTT ROI, Orange County MSA, it's one of the

2893
04:08:04,120 --> 04:08:05,900
make sure you know where I'm at,

2894
04:08:11,780 --> 04:08:14,180
you're good, I think so, all right, so you kind of

2895
04:08:14,180 --> 04:08:17,560
answered it earlier but I want you to answer it again and expand on it where you

2896
04:08:17,560 --> 04:08:24,640
necessary because I want to make sure I understand your answer and the reasoning behind it.

2897
04:08:24,900 --> 04:08:31,060
So when you look at the children's museum which would be number three and you look at the history

2898
04:08:31,060 --> 04:08:39,760
museum which would be number four. And what was presented under the total project spending

2899
04:08:39,760 --> 04:08:49,420
I was 66% and 27% for the history museum, 66% for the chosen museum, respectively.

2900
04:08:50,420 --> 04:08:56,080
But the presentation, you're initial, and I think that maybe you're initial you talked

2901
04:08:56,080 --> 04:09:02,980
about this earlier, it was 58% and 31% and I know those numbers are, you know, I think

2902
04:09:02,980 --> 04:09:08,600
you said negligible, we're just 70% and 4% relative to the amount of money that we're talking

2903
04:09:08,600 --> 04:09:14,460
about it's significant. So I'm trying to understand what information or what did you receive

2904
04:09:14,460 --> 04:09:20,080
or what did you reevaluate that made you change those percentages from what was 58% to an

2905
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:29,500
increase of 66% for children's museum and then how we went from 31% to 27%. Do you follow my

2906
04:09:29,500 --> 04:09:38,040
question? Yeah, so there is the short answer is I think it was just some spreadsheet errors.

2907
04:09:38,600 --> 04:09:47,420
that some of the numbers, because we're looking at allocating based on county versus MSA.

2908
04:09:48,200 --> 04:09:56,340
So for some of these things, I use a four-county region, which is appropriate for the larger economic impact for the tax.

2909
04:09:56,340 --> 04:09:58,560
I just use the orange county.

2910
04:09:58,560 --> 04:09:59,980
Okay, so

2911
04:10:02,360 --> 04:10:14,060
I don't have it right in front of me, but my recollection was that some of those percentages may have been mixed up a little bit in some of the estimates, so that I had to readjust to make sure I was using the right region.

2912
04:10:16,680 --> 04:10:17,080
Okay,

2913
04:10:20,250 --> 04:10:27,190
I would, I was trying to avoid asking the follow-ups, I have a follow-up and I have a request.

2914
04:10:28,150 --> 04:10:36,670
If you could, either through Rosanne or directly to my colleagues, however, if you could kind of summarize that in writing,

2915
04:10:36,770 --> 04:10:40,530
so we understand what the reason for the changes. I mean, I don't know if you're not prepared to do that right now,

2916
04:10:40,550 --> 04:10:45,890
but if you can kind of summarize it in a way that, hey, this is what happened on this date, this is what happened after that,

2917
04:10:45,890 --> 04:10:46,590
and this is why.

2918
04:10:46,710 --> 04:10:49,550
Just so we have a clear understanding of why those metrics

2919
04:10:49,550 --> 04:10:51,510
should be, it would be great.

2920
04:10:53,810 --> 04:10:55,690
I'm gonna hold on my follow-up

2921
04:10:55,690 --> 04:10:58,950
because I think maybe it may be answered or asked

2922
04:10:58,950 --> 04:11:00,950
based on the question that my colleagues are gonna ask.

2923
04:11:01,550 --> 04:11:03,150
But thank you for your work.

2924
04:11:03,150 --> 04:11:04,870
I do appreciate it.

2925
04:11:04,950 --> 04:11:06,990
Rosanne, likewise, thank you for your work.

2926
04:11:07,550 --> 04:11:10,430
Whitney, you do like 56 different things.

2927
04:11:10,710 --> 04:11:12,450
I'm gonna how you do it, but I'm grateful for it.

2928
04:11:12,690 --> 04:11:14,870
So I appreciate you all and members

2929
04:11:14,870 --> 04:11:19,170
that really volunteered their personal time, they could have been doing anything and everything,

2930
04:11:20,030 --> 04:11:23,270
but they volunteered their time and then they added extra time if they could

2931
04:11:23,270 --> 04:11:28,770
get longer meetings and extra meetings and so knowing that you weren't paid and that you were

2932
04:11:28,770 --> 04:11:34,970
alive on TV to share your concerns, some well-received some not so much somewhere in the middle,

2933
04:11:35,150 --> 04:11:39,590
I just really want to tell you all how much I appreciate that you took time to give your time

2934
04:11:39,590 --> 04:11:44,850
to others to know benefit of your own. So thank you for your work and may I am good.

2935
04:11:48,010 --> 04:11:50,670
Commissioner, you read that.

2936
04:11:51,270 --> 04:11:51,750
Fantastic.

2937
04:11:52,370 --> 04:11:52,850
All right.

2938
04:11:53,750 --> 04:11:53,970
Wow.

2939
04:11:54,110 --> 04:11:54,670
Commissioner's gone.

2940
04:11:54,930 --> 04:11:55,170
Okay.

2941
04:11:55,650 --> 04:11:58,710
So Whitney, can I ask you some questions right off the bat?

2942
04:11:58,990 --> 04:12:03,210
Because I went through all of the,

2943
04:12:04,030 --> 04:12:07,510
I went through the ones that were quote-unquote approved

2944
04:12:07,510 --> 04:12:09,090
and some people that I've met.

2945
04:12:09,350 --> 04:12:11,950
I went through the ones that were strongly discouraged.

2946
04:12:12,810 --> 04:12:14,570
And there's a couple things that are standing out of me.

2947
04:12:14,670 --> 04:12:15,130
One.

2948
04:12:16,150 --> 04:12:23,090
Do you know which one of these applications are actually eligible to receive TDT dollars?

2949
04:12:23,970 --> 04:12:30,110
Because I think that we're having a discussion of moving things forward, but can we realistically have that conversation

2950
04:12:30,110 --> 04:12:35,370
if we may like a project but it will not be eligible to receive those dollars?

2951
04:12:36,870 --> 04:12:51,770
So I think I would answer that two ways commissioner one is when I did my review what I was looking at was is what they are asking for an eligible use under the statute and an accordance with the guidance on that statute meaning the Attorney General opinions.

2952
04:12:52,790 --> 04:12:56,710
So that's largely what I based my initial analysis on.

2953
04:12:56,710 --> 04:13:03,150
In terms of moving forward, it's up to this board what you want to do to move these projects forward.

2954
04:13:03,330 --> 04:13:07,150
I think as we've heard today, what's being asked is simply an acceptance of the report.

2955
04:13:07,290 --> 04:13:16,410
But it's up to you all if you want to get additional information from these applicants at which point I would have more information myself to be able to give you a clearer answer.

2956
04:13:16,490 --> 04:13:23,530
But what I can tell you is the majority of what you saw come through appears to meet the criteria that is in the statute.

2957
04:13:23,730 --> 04:13:25,870
Again, there are a couple that I have some questions on.

2958
04:13:25,870 --> 04:13:31,670
because I listened and I participated a little not to the extent of all of you all, but that's

2959
04:13:31,670 --> 04:13:37,390
what's kind of blurring at me because if we quote unquote try to move something forward,

2960
04:13:38,250 --> 04:13:45,290
are we not necessarily doing being the smartest with that because if they're not going to be eligible

2961
04:13:45,290 --> 04:13:51,210
then how does this entire cube offset and then also financial dollars?

2962
04:13:52,350 --> 04:13:55,190
Well, that's largely a question for you all.

2963
04:13:55,410 --> 04:13:58,630
I mean, I think it's, again, how you want to spend your time

2964
04:13:58,630 --> 04:14:01,270
and how you want to analyze these projects moving forward.

2965
04:14:01,790 --> 04:14:06,730
I can do the legal analysis whenever you ask me to do the full legal analysis.

2966
04:14:07,430 --> 04:14:10,570
You know, I mean, I've done an initial legal analysis, as I said,

2967
04:14:10,670 --> 04:14:14,310
and I think the majority of these meet the statutory requirements

2968
04:14:14,310 --> 04:14:18,190
in terms of what they are asking to use the money for.

2969
04:14:19,230 --> 04:14:28,290
And to get into the details, we typically don't do that until either a we go through one of our grant organizations, the arc or the arts and cultural affairs.

2970
04:14:29,330 --> 04:14:37,470
And then obviously a funding agreement, we would have to make sure that everything dots all the eyes and crosses the T's and a funding agreement if and when you all decide you want to get to that point.

2971
04:14:38,050 --> 04:14:43,610
I do, you know, I mentioned this to my opening remarks, and we talked about visitorland

2972
04:14:43,610 --> 04:14:49,850
to do an ecotourism promotion, why can't we put a nurse under that?

2973
04:14:49,970 --> 04:14:55,910
I mean, that is, when we had some public comment, a nurse was very open about these bands

2974
04:14:55,910 --> 04:14:59,970
come here, they come back and have concerts, people return to Central Florida.

2975
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:19,240
To see them, why can't we include them? I mean, they're actually proving additional offsets from that event that have continued to bring people here from Atlanta and Columbus and all that kind of stuff. Why are we not able to do that? It's not a lot of money and then we could secure their funding for guaranteed for five years.

2976
04:15:20,360 --> 04:15:27,680
So right now, the Visitor Lando contract doesn't provide for that. That's something that if you all wanted to do that would require an amendment to that contract.

2977
04:15:27,680 --> 04:15:34,780
And that was my question on the ego tourism part, why can't it go in there when we're looking at,

2978
04:15:34,780 --> 04:15:39,260
I think it was two and a half, four, two and a half million a year.

2979
04:15:39,780 --> 04:15:43,100
I know it doesn't sound like it would be such a huge ask.

2980
04:15:43,580 --> 04:15:48,320
And if we have ego tourism, it's a festival.

2981
04:15:49,200 --> 04:15:51,680
I know, but it's something natural that we haven't here.

2982
04:15:51,980 --> 04:15:54,340
Why can't we? Why can't we? Why not ask?

2983
04:15:54,340 --> 04:16:00,980
Okay, secondly, I gotta tell you, when I look at these projects, one of the biggest things

2984
04:16:00,980 --> 04:16:06,180
that I like about it is that other cities around Orange County are able to benefit from tourism

2985
04:16:06,180 --> 04:16:06,720
dollars.

2986
04:16:08,580 --> 04:16:15,700
While I personally believe the Dr. Phillips Center is a great facility here, I worry that

2987
04:16:15,700 --> 04:16:22,560
that's a lot of money and we are closing doors to other possibilities of other projects.

2988
04:16:22,560 --> 04:16:25,540
I really get excited seeing auto bond.

2989
04:16:25,720 --> 04:16:27,980
I really get inside our arts and culture.

2990
04:16:28,640 --> 04:16:34,100
While I believe the Dr. Phillips Center should receive significant funding so that they

2991
04:16:34,100 --> 04:16:36,160
can start moving forward in the last draw.

2992
04:16:36,700 --> 04:16:40,280
They did not get anything, so I really do want to advocate for that.

2993
04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:45,300
But I don't think that entire amount of money should.

2994
04:16:45,580 --> 04:16:49,660
I think that we should consider trying to fund other small projects.

2995
04:16:49,660 --> 04:16:53,820
I also, I would love to see what UCF proposed.

2996
04:16:54,160 --> 04:16:59,280
We all just went to their kickoff and the Roth tower and very excited about what they were capable

2997
04:16:59,280 --> 04:16:59,780
of doing.

2998
04:16:59,940 --> 04:17:05,680
I'm probably the one project that did complete on-time on budget and under budget, there you go.

2999
04:17:06,520 --> 04:17:10,320
And I would love to, I feel like I need to see what's going on.

3000
04:17:10,960 --> 04:17:14,760
So I'm a supporter of what you guys have going on here.

3001
04:17:14,760 --> 04:17:18,460
My only concern is I see smaller projects.

3002
04:17:19,040 --> 04:17:20,700
I like the Audubon.

3003
04:17:21,300 --> 04:17:25,200
I would like to see a little bit more of the city of Ochoe.

3004
04:17:25,420 --> 04:17:27,080
I like the children's museum.

3005
04:17:27,420 --> 04:17:29,200
I like these projects.

3006
04:17:29,620 --> 04:17:30,480
I definitely like them.

3007
04:17:30,660 --> 04:17:31,720
I love them.

3008
04:17:32,180 --> 04:17:36,280
But it really excites me to see smaller opportunities

3009
04:17:36,280 --> 04:17:39,660
where these cities and smaller organizations

3010
04:17:39,660 --> 04:17:43,080
can actually benefit from these funds.

3011
04:17:43,080 --> 04:17:48,220
And I really, it's just lingering as most of us were at UCF.

3012
04:17:48,460 --> 04:17:50,300
I really want to see UCF's presentation.

3013
04:17:50,640 --> 04:17:56,740
I want to know how they were just, like, kind of immediately off of the roster, especially

3014
04:17:56,740 --> 04:18:00,520
as knowing how much is happening there to major university.

3015
04:18:00,760 --> 04:18:03,920
They are bringing heads and beds.

3016
04:18:04,880 --> 04:18:06,020
I want to make sure we get that right.

3017
04:18:07,420 --> 04:18:11,000
And while I support, I support the Dr. Phillips Center.

3018
04:18:11,000 --> 04:18:13,480
I don't think that we should max out.

3019
04:18:13,540 --> 04:18:16,260
I mean, when you think about $730 million,

3020
04:18:16,260 --> 04:18:18,320
that's more than our convention center,

3021
04:18:18,760 --> 04:18:21,780
adding the Kia Center, or more than the Kia,

3022
04:18:22,340 --> 04:18:23,420
and that's a lot of money.

3023
04:18:24,180 --> 04:18:25,620
So I do believe that we need,

3024
04:18:25,860 --> 04:18:26,940
let me just get this clear,

3025
04:18:27,220 --> 04:18:31,160
I do want to support them extensively, not just a little,

3026
04:18:31,280 --> 04:18:33,320
extensively, but I don't feel comfortable

3027
04:18:33,320 --> 04:18:35,260
at the tune of $700 million.

3028
04:18:36,420 --> 04:18:39,640
And also, I really do want to pursue

3029
04:18:39,640 --> 04:18:46,780
Some of these smaller projects, and I would really, I'm requesting to see UCF. Yes, oh mayor. Yes, mayor

3030
04:18:47,500 --> 04:18:55,060
I simply want to say commissioner that your comments about visit Orlando were some of the first comments I made

3031
04:18:55,060 --> 04:19:00,400
Why can't they incorporate the small amount of money into their very large budget?

3032
04:19:01,040 --> 04:19:08,940
But that would be up to the board whether you wanted to reopen the entire visit Orlando contract

3033
04:19:08,940 --> 04:19:16,700
And so, again, that is a decision you can make, and in terms of Dr. Phillips, I think they

3034
04:19:16,700 --> 04:19:26,020
are well aware that you might ask that it be phased, that they give you their priorities.

3035
04:19:26,940 --> 04:19:31,460
They expect to come and work through those numbers with you.

3036
04:19:31,520 --> 04:19:37,620
I don't think they're going to be surprised if you say, I don't think we can give you $750

3037
04:19:37,620 --> 04:19:44,380
million dollars this year. So I think you can relax a little bit about it. Okay. Well, it's, you

3038
04:19:44,380 --> 04:19:51,500
know, when we were doing our metrics financially, it was a big line item, you know, and, um, but I,

3039
04:19:51,540 --> 04:19:58,320
I really do, and with me, if I can, and I'm sorry, I'm just going back to Whitney, I, I like the

3040
04:19:58,320 --> 04:19:59,980
on project. I

3041
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:09,480
I really want to hear the UCF project. I really would love to see the Okoi, but I only want to consider

3042
04:20:09,480 --> 04:20:16,400
them if they're eligible. I think it's just, just in my time here, we've tended to focus only on

3043
04:20:16,400 --> 04:20:29,980
the huge projects, Camping World, Kia Center, Convention Center. I would love to share the love to the

3044
04:20:29,980 --> 04:20:33,760
us as we all grow, everyone's actually benefiting from that.

3045
04:20:34,360 --> 04:20:40,460
But I only want to keep pursuing this if they're actually going to be eligible to receive

3046
04:20:40,460 --> 04:20:41,200
those ones.

3047
04:20:44,260 --> 04:20:45,140
Let me say this.

3048
04:20:48,170 --> 04:20:52,310
Our role today is to either accept the report or not.

3049
04:20:53,270 --> 04:21:00,090
The details of these individual projects still has to be worked out.

3050
04:21:00,090 --> 04:21:03,910
I said when we started that we will have to likely modify.

3051
04:21:04,170 --> 04:21:06,590
In order to meet the controllers,

3052
04:21:08,330 --> 04:21:11,430
recommend a guideline of $300 million.

3053
04:21:12,170 --> 04:21:14,090
I'm going to say floor.

3054
04:21:16,050 --> 04:21:18,770
Means that we're going to have to go back and tweet this.

3055
04:21:19,030 --> 04:21:23,050
We do not have all of those details here today.

3056
04:21:24,130 --> 04:21:25,690
By accepting and report,

3057
04:21:25,690 --> 04:21:35,290
The staff then has to go back, work with our fiscal staff, and make some recommendations

3058
04:21:35,290 --> 04:21:37,870
of what this has, what this looks like.

3059
04:21:38,970 --> 04:21:46,350
But what Commissioner Yerebe has just said is contemplated already in this is having funding

3060
04:21:46,350 --> 04:21:55,590
going to products in the municipalities, funding where we will do eco tourism, we will do cultural

3061
04:21:55,590 --> 04:22:05,010
tourism, we will expand the arc funding. And then those projects go into those existing

3062
04:22:05,010 --> 04:22:11,410
processes. We're not trying to get in front of all of those processes and make those decisions

3063
04:22:11,410 --> 04:22:18,390
now. But based on the recommendations of this task force is citizen-layer task force. They

3064
04:22:18,390 --> 04:22:23,950
have already weighed in on what they think the priorities are for our community. And that's all we're

3065
04:22:23,950 --> 04:22:30,690
to do is a firm that the decisions we're making is consistently what the citizens have recommended

3066
04:22:30,690 --> 04:22:35,170
and then we put it into our processes and we make this happen.

3067
04:22:35,190 --> 04:22:39,870
Well, I have a list of 12 and I don't support our 12 and I don't see you see up here.

3068
04:22:39,870 --> 04:22:41,190
But Commissioning, you won't.

3069
04:22:42,470 --> 04:22:42,690
I don't know.

3070
04:22:42,790 --> 04:22:44,710
This is my time to ask it.

3071
04:22:44,710 --> 04:22:46,130
I understand that.

3072
04:22:46,350 --> 04:22:52,970
I still understand that but we're not trying to go back and re-lit again everything that

3073
04:22:52,970 --> 04:22:59,170
task force has done. I don't believe at this point. You know, when you have these kind

3074
04:22:59,170 --> 04:23:05,030
of one-offs, this is a global conversation that we're having trying to move this agenda

3075
04:23:05,030 --> 04:23:12,070
forward to expand what we are spending money on in terms of capacity, what we are focusing

3076
04:23:12,070 --> 04:23:17,770
on. That's what this conversation is. That's what my question was about UCF and not giving

3077
04:23:19,370 --> 04:23:26,090
What you're trying to do is change what the task force recommended,

3078
04:23:28,110 --> 04:23:29,230
you know, this is if

3079
04:23:29,770 --> 04:23:40,830
if UCF comes back in if we have the opportunity once we look at this from a fiscal perspective and they're additional dollars yes, but this isn't about trying to

3080
04:23:40,830 --> 04:23:47,870
in my humble opinion negotiate one up, one down at this point, because you have a personal

3081
04:23:47,870 --> 04:23:51,910
preference here. This is what the mass force is already done.

3082
04:23:51,910 --> 04:23:53,390
Mayor, I believe it, Mike.

3083
04:23:53,830 --> 04:23:55,110
No, I don't know who you are.

3084
04:23:55,210 --> 04:24:00,910
You're trying to take this in a direction that is not necessary at this time.

3085
04:24:00,950 --> 04:24:01,790
That's all I'm saying.

3086
04:24:01,930 --> 04:24:05,210
This is when I have to discuss it. We don't get a chance to discuss it.

3087
04:24:05,290 --> 04:24:09,130
And to ask, to see something, is what was asked of us?

3088
04:24:09,130 --> 04:24:15,330
But Mayor, and perhaps it was, when it's clear, I know you had indicated that you would anticipate

3089
04:24:15,330 --> 04:24:21,690
a future discussion among this board, which would cover such matters of this as we

3090
04:24:21,690 --> 04:24:23,030
can work the modeling in a way.

3091
04:24:23,890 --> 04:24:30,410
But I guess from our standpoint, we were anticipating that upon action on the task force

3092
04:24:30,410 --> 04:24:32,670
recommendation, there would be a future board.

3093
04:24:32,790 --> 04:24:35,910
Now, only thing I was going to hand out, Sheriff of the Mayor, you probably have to be at a different

3094
04:24:35,910 --> 04:24:38,530
and a regular board meeting because your board meeting is slam.

3095
04:24:40,410 --> 04:24:43,070
But, anyway, me, I just went to that perhaps.

3096
04:24:43,750 --> 04:24:47,290
The commission didn't recognize that you'd indicated that you'd anticipate it.

3097
04:24:47,310 --> 04:24:47,570
Right.

3098
04:24:47,750 --> 04:24:49,190
Don't make this work complicated.

3099
04:24:49,730 --> 04:24:52,910
And it needs to be today, as what I'm saying to you.

3100
04:24:53,010 --> 04:24:54,550
You're complicating this.

3101
04:24:54,650 --> 04:24:55,370
I'm not complicating this.

3102
04:24:55,390 --> 04:24:56,410
Why, I don't know.

3103
04:24:56,470 --> 04:24:57,150
No, I'm not.

3104
04:24:57,790 --> 04:24:59,930
To simply ask a question about.

3105
04:25:00,240 --> 04:25:30,120
You see, if we weren't at the TD, we weren't at the TD, we weren't at the mayor, commissioner. I think something that could be helpful context in this, because it speaks to the process to your specific question about UCF and to what's really before you now. Obviously, for our more perspective, we debated all of these, and UCF made a fantastic presentation to the committee that was celebrated and considered seriously. It was one of those things where as worthy as it was, we contemplated in the light of all these other projects that you've talked about.

3106
04:25:30,240 --> 04:25:32,440
that seemed worthy of having an opportunity.

3107
04:25:33,020 --> 04:25:34,720
And given the fact that last time Dr. Phillips

3108
04:25:34,720 --> 04:25:36,620
of Performing Arts Center did not receive funding

3109
04:25:36,620 --> 04:25:40,260
and UCF did, we thought as we look at this moment in time,

3110
04:25:40,340 --> 04:25:43,760
it is not a judgment of UCF or any one particular project.

3111
04:25:43,860 --> 04:25:47,340
It felt like we could create more opportunities for those smaller projects

3112
04:25:47,900 --> 04:25:51,340
and allow for Dr. Phillips of Performing Arts Center to have their moment

3113
04:25:51,340 --> 04:25:54,620
by asking UCF by not moving forward with UCF.

3114
04:25:54,640 --> 04:25:59,100
So I want to do to have the context, certainly no shutting down

3115
04:25:59,100 --> 04:26:01,480
of the UCF proposal right away on the contrary.

3116
04:26:02,100 --> 04:26:04,940
It really was a decision, as we started choosing projects.

3117
04:26:05,140 --> 04:26:06,140
It felt really worthy.

3118
04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:08,920
The term that kept coming up in the committee was like,

3119
04:26:09,000 --> 04:26:10,420
we're running out of money, even though we didn't know

3120
04:26:10,420 --> 04:26:11,180
how much money we had.

3121
04:26:11,380 --> 04:26:14,640
But the sense that we're shopping beyond what we might be able

3122
04:26:14,640 --> 04:26:15,100
to afford.

3123
04:26:15,440 --> 04:26:16,920
Lastly, I'll just say this.

3124
04:26:17,000 --> 04:26:19,200
I hope it provides a little bit of comfort for you.

3125
04:26:19,740 --> 04:26:23,200
Today, all we're asking you to do is we are presenting a report.

3126
04:26:23,660 --> 04:26:25,240
You're saying we received your support,

3127
04:26:25,360 --> 04:26:27,600
your report, we received the work of the task force.

3128
04:26:28,260 --> 04:26:33,140
All the questions that you have will be absolutely legitimate questions for the process that is still before you.

3129
04:26:33,680 --> 04:26:36,020
Today we just want to like deliver our task.

3130
04:26:36,240 --> 04:26:37,860
The rest of us got to get back to work.

3131
04:26:38,240 --> 04:26:39,800
We want to be sure that we've given you the ball.

3132
04:26:39,900 --> 04:26:41,380
You guys did a great job.

3133
04:26:41,520 --> 04:26:43,780
It's just that when you look at 750 million.

3134
04:26:44,260 --> 04:26:45,620
And then you look at everything else.

3135
04:26:45,780 --> 04:26:46,940
It was significantly smaller.

3136
04:26:47,480 --> 04:26:50,780
You just start saying, yes, we want to give you Dr. Phillips money.

3137
04:26:51,080 --> 04:26:54,420
But if we didn't give you 750 and we actually gave you 350,

3138
04:26:54,920 --> 04:27:00,760
Imagine we could get a COE done and UCF done, and that's where this conversation is going.

3139
04:27:01,280 --> 04:27:06,040
It's not, I don't gain anything from UCF, I don't gain anything from Dr. Phillips or a COE.

3140
04:27:06,580 --> 04:27:13,840
It's just about saying if we don't give you all the 750 million, we could actually get a few more projects that are smaller scope.

3141
04:27:13,960 --> 04:27:17,180
The good news is that the decision wasn't ours, but it will be yours.

3142
04:27:17,480 --> 04:27:18,220
So that'll be part of your agenda.

3143
04:27:18,220 --> 04:27:26,960
But I wanted you to understand what this conversation was just because I think all of the, I mean just I went through all of these and I think they're all really good projects

3144
04:27:26,960 --> 04:27:34,880
And this is where it started with when he was are they eligible if we're gonna ask for it is a co-eeligible is you know

3145
04:27:34,880 --> 04:27:42,100
That's where that conversation was because if it's not then there's no need to have that discussion and that was where this conversation came

3146
04:27:42,100 --> 04:27:54,400
There was no personal gain on anything here just as simple kind of can we negotiate a huge amount of money for some smaller things to get done, but thank you, Whitney, so I appreciate that.

3147
04:27:54,980 --> 04:27:55,540
Commissioner Crab.

3148
04:28:02,630 --> 04:28:03,390
There we go.

3149
04:28:04,110 --> 04:28:04,730
All right, thank you, Mayor.

3150
04:28:06,450 --> 04:28:13,530
First of all, by the same thanks to Eddie and Mayor and all the members for the time I know that was a long time.

3151
04:28:14,650 --> 04:28:20,830
And my non-appointment appointment is very, but thank you so much for your help.

3152
04:28:22,090 --> 04:28:27,350
I want to thank, I just want to be thankful that we're actually able to have this conversation,

3153
04:28:27,990 --> 04:28:29,330
because of our tourism industry.

3154
04:28:31,870 --> 04:28:34,490
So, there are other counties that aren't this lucky.

3155
04:28:35,750 --> 04:28:39,310
So, this future meeting is probably going to get contentious,

3156
04:28:39,310 --> 04:28:43,650
And we'll have lots of debate about whether to spend it, and I wish I could spend it.

3157
04:28:43,770 --> 04:28:47,010
I wish I could fund all the projects, but clearly we can't.

3158
04:28:47,730 --> 04:28:52,670
So I do have a couple of questions, probably Whitney and Rosanne.

3159
04:28:55,910 --> 04:29:00,290
So please don't take my for my task force, folks.

3160
04:29:00,750 --> 04:29:05,430
Please don't take my position as not being thankful for your work.

3161
04:29:06,090 --> 04:29:07,910
But I do not agree with the recommended.

3162
04:29:09,250 --> 04:29:18,150
recommendations. The way to make a question for you is if I vote yesterday, I'm still able to move forward with other recommendations that I want.

3163
04:29:19,930 --> 04:29:26,390
Well, I would clarify that you are one member of the board, so other recommendations would need the whole board to support them.

3164
04:29:26,670 --> 04:29:33,250
If your question is, do some of the folks that aren't on the list of recommendations have an opportunity to come back?

3165
04:29:33,250 --> 04:29:37,550
I think, but would circle back to the conversation that Commissioner Wilson, I had earlier,

3166
04:29:37,770 --> 04:29:42,750
which is if we fund some of these other grant programs, there's nothing stopping anyone from coming

3167
04:29:42,750 --> 04:29:47,990
back and applying to one of those, provided they meet the requirements. Is that what the question was?

3168
04:29:47,990 --> 04:29:54,770
I think the point is they're accepting today, they aren't, they aren't committing themselves to those,

3169
04:29:54,770 --> 04:29:59,970
So the mayor doesn't mean anything about nature. I don't agree with the findings. I want to

3170
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,420
I recommend the different funding, and obviously I need four votes to get that. But by voting yesterday, am I still

3171
04:30:05,420 --> 04:30:11,220
okay? This is a new guy question. So, by voting yesterday, am I still able to make those proposals?

3172
04:30:12,800 --> 04:30:29,060
So, sorry, the peanut gallery is yelling in my ear over here. So, again, I will reiterate Mayor Chapin. You are being asked to accept a report. You are not being asked to make recommendations today.

3173
04:30:29,060 --> 04:30:30,060
Thank you.

3174
04:30:30,700 --> 04:30:35,980
My next question for Rosanne, I have the same concerns that Commissioner Scott has about

3175
04:30:35,980 --> 04:30:37,360
the matrix and the rubric.

3176
04:30:38,160 --> 04:30:42,880
And why that was the reasons those were bailed out and you did explain that that was kind

3177
04:30:42,880 --> 04:30:48,340
of the way that the task force wanted to go.

3178
04:30:48,780 --> 04:30:55,680
My issue with it is, by doing the survey, we now have, we get feelings involved in it.

3179
04:30:56,080 --> 04:30:58,600
So I have feelings about some of these projects also.

3180
04:30:58,600 --> 04:31:08,620
But I don't have the true data or a ranking list based on that matrix that tells me this is why they rank this way.

3181
04:31:09,380 --> 04:31:16,020
And the smaller funding ones that you talked about, they may end up at the bottom of the list, but at least I have a list with data to look at.

3182
04:31:16,140 --> 04:31:24,540
I've only got five projects, and the Edenville projects really, and I have nowhere near the education that you do sir, nowhere close.

3183
04:31:24,540 --> 04:31:29,020
But I'm not sure they should have been combined because I'm not sure they're going to be able to be

3184
04:31:29,020 --> 04:31:35,740
Be done together, so on the eatable project. So I mean, I mean, I'll spot here because I've got three I've got three

3185
04:31:36,460 --> 04:31:37,940
projects in my district

3186
04:31:39,100 --> 04:31:41,220
and all three I like

3187
04:31:42,080 --> 04:31:45,800
Some eaten eatable ones we need to work on, but I just

3188
04:31:46,720 --> 04:31:54,520
Why can't we have that data? Why can't we have them? They had to fill up the matrix to start with so you should have that data

3189
04:31:54,520 --> 04:31:56,000
Why can't we have that?

3190
04:31:56,140 --> 04:31:57,540
Because I've seen no data from the matrix.

3191
04:31:59,020 --> 04:32:04,860
So, Commissioner, this was a citizens advisory task force, and the mayor wanted the citizens

3192
04:32:04,860 --> 04:32:09,000
to just give their thoughts opinions, and that's what they did.

3193
04:32:09,460 --> 04:32:15,560
And as part of this process, they felt like yes, they heard the economics of it, but they

3194
04:32:15,560 --> 04:32:19,080
really wanted to have their opinions heard.

3195
04:32:19,560 --> 04:32:23,840
And, you know, we have some members in the room here, and especially the municipalities,

3196
04:32:23,840 --> 04:32:52,060
They had some thoughts and opinions, and so they felt some thought that confined by trying to assign that to a matrix and that last time around, based on the matrix, you had a lot of the highly capitalized projects, larger ones, rank at the top, and so they said this time, they really just wanted an opportunity to show support.

3197
04:32:52,060 --> 04:33:01,260
support from around the county for a project and leave the economics to the board and say,

3198
04:33:01,260 --> 04:33:05,680
you have the county attorney's office who makes sure it's compliance, they heard some

3199
04:33:05,680 --> 04:33:06,200
ideas.

3200
04:33:06,680 --> 04:33:12,500
They realize that there needs to be further evaluation and they realize the economics really

3201
04:33:12,500 --> 04:33:16,360
requires the board and county staff to go back through and find more information.

3202
04:33:16,360 --> 04:33:27,880
And they, as lay people, and Mr. Duns in the room here too, he's a very smart man, and we leaned on each other for advice, but they really just wanted to show their opinion.

3203
04:33:28,720 --> 04:33:37,960
I understand, and I like the input from the survey, but it's about how people feel about a project, and I would prefer to have the data.

3204
04:33:39,240 --> 04:33:42,300
So did they fill out a matrix? Is that possible for me to get the data from those?

3205
04:33:42,300 --> 04:33:47,900
they did not fill out the matrix they used it as part of the decision-making process.

3206
04:33:48,520 --> 04:33:53,640
But if you think about it, even if you fill out a matrix, right, you're still using your

3207
04:33:53,640 --> 04:33:57,540
own thoughts and perceptions of everything that you have heard to fill out a matrix.

3208
04:33:59,200 --> 04:34:00,160
It's still more data.

3209
04:34:00,160 --> 04:34:00,840
You are.

3210
04:34:00,980 --> 04:34:01,440
You are.

3211
04:34:01,680 --> 04:34:05,640
And somewhere it's in there, and that's why they just felt comfortable.

3212
04:34:05,840 --> 04:34:11,680
I think utilizing something that was just a little bit more high level that put everybody

3213
04:34:11,680 --> 04:34:13,740
on an equal plane?

3214
04:34:15,340 --> 04:34:20,440
My last question, I have many more, but I'm going to end it, Mayor, but my last question

3215
04:34:20,440 --> 04:34:29,400
is if I agree to fund refund the arc, has there been any review of the current projects

3216
04:34:29,400 --> 04:34:33,800
in there for any data from them to prove that they are doing what they said they were going

3217
04:34:33,800 --> 04:34:34,280
to do?

3218
04:34:36,480 --> 04:34:42,100
So of the projects that were funded in 2023, only one has opened and that was the one

3219
04:34:42,100 --> 04:34:47,460
Park Playhouse, and they just did the river combating in July, and counted an administrative

3220
04:34:47,460 --> 04:34:51,080
Brooks, do you want to address how in the future you're going to be addressing this?

3221
04:34:51,560 --> 04:34:58,420
On the days agenda was the night, so there were 11 projects, today's agenda includes the

3222
04:34:58,420 --> 04:34:59,960
of funding agreements over there.

3223
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:07,900
Or they are all progressing along and is written described. The funding agreement is pretty detailed and

3224
04:35:07,900 --> 04:35:14,880
involved in terms of the terms as well in that evaluation. But the ECF, when he knows, open the

3225
04:35:14,880 --> 04:35:21,620
others, are nine of them. Eight others have funding agreements in place, and then there too, that I'm

3226
04:35:21,620 --> 04:35:24,300
not sure exactly, with the same question.

3227
04:35:24,300 --> 04:35:30,660
I guess my question is though, do we do any follow-up on the data on the data?

3228
04:35:31,460 --> 04:35:36,200
So the funding agreement does provide for both audits and for the ability for this board

3229
04:35:36,200 --> 04:35:39,520
and the tourist development council to ask those folks to come in and give them reports.

3230
04:35:40,220 --> 04:35:44,460
I'm not sure how long the mayor is going to give me the new guy, excuse, but I'm going to

3231
04:35:44,460 --> 04:35:45,900
use it as long as I can, Mayor.

3232
04:35:46,580 --> 04:35:49,140
So that was, that was it, I just,

3233
04:35:51,390 --> 04:35:57,630
it's important to me that we do look at ROI and we do

3234
04:35:57,630 --> 04:35:59,430
look at heads in beds.

3235
04:35:59,490 --> 04:36:00,390
I do it all the time, Eddie.

3236
04:36:00,530 --> 04:36:02,010
I say it backwards all the time.

3237
04:36:02,450 --> 04:36:07,150
We do look at heads in beds because that's what creates this money that allows us to do

3238
04:36:07,150 --> 04:36:12,090
these things and I, and I like almost all the projects and wish that I could, wish

3239
04:36:12,090 --> 04:36:16,030
that I could fund all of them, but we need to really take a hard look at the data.

3240
04:36:16,030 --> 04:36:20,410
I love the feeling part of it, but we need to take a hard look at the data and we need

3241
04:36:20,410 --> 04:36:25,010
to look at what's going to give us the ROI and give us heads and beds that will give

3242
04:36:25,010 --> 04:36:29,430
us that money back so we can have this conversation again next year because if we don't

3243
04:36:29,430 --> 04:36:32,330
do those things, then this will dwindle away.

3244
04:36:33,590 --> 04:36:34,030
Thank you, Mayor.

3245
04:36:35,890 --> 04:36:36,410
All right.

3246
04:37:01,540 --> 04:37:01,780
Yes.

3247
04:37:02,260 --> 04:37:02,840
Thank you.

3248
04:37:04,800 --> 04:37:06,020
New technology here.

3249
04:37:06,800 --> 04:37:07,540
Thank you.

3250
04:37:07,700 --> 04:37:07,900
Okay.

3251
04:37:07,900 --> 04:37:14,760
So first I want to say thank you so much for all the time that you all took the members of the

3252
04:37:14,760 --> 04:37:16,380
tax force for the survey.

3253
04:37:16,900 --> 04:37:22,800
60 minutes come on and beside all those meetings so thank you so much for all of that time

3254
04:37:22,800 --> 04:37:28,000
that you invested in the county and in the community and also I have to say thank you to the

3255
04:37:28,000 --> 04:37:34,430
two members that represent district force so thank you thank you and saying that I want to go

3256
04:37:36,190 --> 04:37:41,750
Well, I'm going to say through the line that Commissioner Crap was coming in.

3257
04:37:41,930 --> 04:37:45,350
I wanted to say and ask some questions.

3258
04:37:45,750 --> 04:37:53,990
I know that the ARC application process and so was created in 2017, started in 2028 to

3259
04:37:54,650 --> 04:37:55,250
2019.

3260
04:37:55,250 --> 04:38:00,710
The was seven projects approved, then in 2024, the was 11 project approved, 18 in total,

3261
04:38:00,710 --> 04:38:06,770
two of the projects that were given $10 million each is gone.

3262
04:38:07,410 --> 04:38:09,450
What happened with the money that was not used?

3263
04:38:09,550 --> 04:38:14,690
For example, one plus, they were given $10 million a fail,

3264
04:38:15,010 --> 04:38:16,770
but they used $6.5 million.

3265
04:38:17,230 --> 04:38:19,630
So there were 3.5 million dollars.

3266
04:38:19,850 --> 04:38:20,950
I don't know whether you're okay.

3267
04:38:21,390 --> 04:38:22,570
And then the Orlando Museum,

3268
04:38:22,790 --> 04:38:25,350
hope and humanity, $10 million not operating.

3269
04:38:25,910 --> 04:38:27,030
What happened with that?

3270
04:38:27,230 --> 04:38:29,810
And that's questions that the community ask.

3271
04:38:29,810 --> 04:38:41,590
So, so commissioner on the first one on Paul's, we did get the property back on that, we did not recruit all of our money on that, we were able to sell that property, I believe it was roughly $3 million,

3272
04:38:41,850 --> 04:38:47,850
is what we sold that property for. So that money went back into the TDT pot, and then I missed the second one that you mentioned.

3273
04:38:48,050 --> 04:38:57,890
Or land the museum? Or land a museum of art? Yes, no, hope and humanity. And humanity, it was, oh, we're working on the Holocaust center now.

3274
04:38:57,890 --> 04:39:04,890
We're working on a funding agreement now, okay. So it's good that the community knows that, you know, the property was from one plus

3275
04:39:06,670 --> 04:39:13,110
Paul's the property was sold under the $3 million. So it's good for the community to know that the money went back, okay.

3276
04:39:14,850 --> 04:39:17,890
So my, my other question is

3277
04:39:19,190 --> 04:39:22,170
I'm going back again with what was said by Michael.

3278
04:39:22,170 --> 04:39:33,410
And we rely on the organisational when they do the application, the projections that they provide

3279
04:39:33,410 --> 04:39:41,850
or the attendance are coming, what are we looking when they apply for that to someone

3280
04:39:41,850 --> 04:39:42,910
who does numbers?

3281
04:39:42,970 --> 04:39:43,750
Any words?

3282
04:39:44,370 --> 04:39:44,850
Thank you.

3283
04:39:48,260 --> 04:39:52,340
So when the applicants provide their estimates,

3284
04:39:54,780 --> 04:39:59,720
I did my best to take those estimates at face value, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

3285
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:05,660
I did not want to be adjusting based on my judgment. I wanted to see if they were reasonable.

3286
04:40:06,240 --> 04:40:12,140
And so that's where we developed the baseline models to try to compare them. For instance, when we looked at the convention center,

3287
04:40:12,540 --> 04:40:19,380
those estimates seem very similar to our hard data that we have seen in Georgia for our convention center of the similar sides.

3288
04:40:19,380 --> 04:40:26,540
When we looked at other projects, for instance, the Children's Museum, that estimate seemed

3289
04:40:26,540 --> 04:40:32,920
high, again, that also relative to some other estimates, for instance, the Dr. Phillips

3290
04:40:32,920 --> 04:40:38,180
Center, who, I look at their website and was able to see some of their academic impacts

3291
04:40:38,180 --> 04:40:43,330
study that they did from Oxford Economics, that seems reasonable and also, um,

3292
04:40:43,330 --> 04:40:48,090
ordered with other estimates that we had in our baseline model in terms of shares of out

3293
04:40:48,090 --> 04:40:50,170
of region visitors and overnight visitors.

3294
04:40:51,650 --> 04:40:56,770
In terms of, like, for instance, the three history museums, so each application had different

3295
04:40:56,770 --> 04:41:04,670
levels of data, and we felt like that's when we showed relative to the numbers for a specific

3296
04:41:04,670 --> 04:41:09,290
category, right, when we thought that, for instance, the representative Antone's estimate

3297
04:41:09,290 --> 04:41:16,630
for 500,000 new visitors seemed high relative to the share of visitors for museums in the county.

3298
04:41:18,230 --> 04:41:25,230
So we did our best to look at the data and benchmark it to things that we could find,

3299
04:41:25,230 --> 04:41:30,930
you know, either on the website or through other means to verify it.

3300
04:41:30,930 --> 04:41:37,150
So, Dr. Nada, now that you're there and in your presentation, you refer a lot to

3301
04:41:37,150 --> 04:41:42,150
uncompere to the Convention Center and I just wanted to ask you, because I asked you

3302
04:41:42,150 --> 04:41:48,770
before about the Convention Center is not feasible without TDC. What does that look like?

3303
04:41:49,050 --> 04:41:50,770
What are you saying with that?

3304
04:41:51,670 --> 04:41:57,310
So, again, I took that straight off the application and the application asked the question.

3305
04:41:57,310 --> 04:42:03,710
And if you don't receive the requested TDT funds, is your project viable going forward, essentially.

3306
04:42:04,230 --> 04:42:09,210
And the Convention Center, because I believe my understanding, is that they rely solely on

3307
04:42:09,210 --> 04:42:15,170
TDT funds for their capital improvements that they could not, they did not have any other

3308
04:42:15,170 --> 04:42:16,030
sources of funding.

3309
04:42:16,450 --> 04:42:20,510
For instance, other entities had other philanthropic funding or other ways that they were going

3310
04:42:20,510 --> 04:42:21,350
to move their project forward.

3311
04:42:21,350 --> 04:42:35,890
So then what will be the concern of the worry right now because they are not in the list of the, you know, the 12 organizations and so, what, what does that mean then?

3312
04:42:36,590 --> 04:42:40,670
That the advisory committee did not choose them to move forward.

3313
04:42:43,010 --> 04:42:49,630
I'm not an expert on the procedure going forward, but my understanding is, I believe if you

3314
04:42:49,630 --> 04:42:49,850
all is...

3315
04:42:49,850 --> 04:42:54,890
Yes, I'm just thinking, because Orange County Convention Center belongs to Orange County,

3316
04:42:55,330 --> 04:43:00,790
not the rest, but the Convention Center, so that's why you want to know what that looks

3317
04:43:00,790 --> 04:43:02,530
like to Orange County.

3318
04:43:03,130 --> 04:43:05,190
If they don't get the money for the expansion?

3319
04:43:06,290 --> 04:43:10,110
Well, if they don't, if they defend solely on TTT, what does that mean?

3320
04:43:10,210 --> 04:43:11,050
That's what I want to know.

3321
04:43:11,270 --> 04:43:13,390
I hope this is all for to think about it this week, commissioner.

3322
04:43:14,050 --> 04:43:21,150
So the saying that they were not feasible without the TTT funding is simply that if they do not get funded,

3323
04:43:21,790 --> 04:43:23,770
project 5B does not move forward at this time.

3324
04:43:24,410 --> 04:43:32,850
And so that's all that means it's not a judgment or an indictment of the project or that the convention center is somehow disqualified from funding of any other kind.

3325
04:43:32,850 --> 04:43:36,190
So, that was what they decided to put in their application and we get this money.

3326
04:43:36,490 --> 04:43:38,910
We move forward if you don't get it, we'll just have to wait.

3327
04:43:39,330 --> 04:43:39,970
I hope that's helpful.

3328
04:43:40,690 --> 04:43:42,010
Yes, it is.

3329
04:43:42,590 --> 04:43:43,330
That's good.

3330
04:43:45,510 --> 04:43:46,570
So, my other question.

3331
04:43:46,890 --> 04:43:47,610
Oh, that's not for you.

3332
04:43:48,070 --> 04:43:50,770
That would be, again, for the administrative.

3333
04:43:50,970 --> 04:43:53,750
What obligations the Orange County have to track?

3334
04:43:53,790 --> 04:43:55,230
A-R-C funding.

3335
04:43:55,770 --> 04:43:57,930
Constructions progress, dot tourism returns.

3336
04:43:58,410 --> 04:44:01,190
Do we have a monitoring program in place?

3337
04:44:03,830 --> 04:44:08,270
That's what Whitney noted before that in the agreement, the funding agreement.

3338
04:44:09,310 --> 04:44:14,890
We have a ability to audit the monitor, uh, the wiki, I don't want to call it wiki

3339
04:44:14,890 --> 04:44:20,710
out, but uh, we also have the ability to ask those applicants to come back and make presentations

3340
04:44:20,710 --> 04:44:25,310
to the board and the tourist development council in terms of how our funds are being used

3341
04:44:25,310 --> 04:44:25,850
on their project.

3342
04:44:25,890 --> 04:44:29,530
But do we do it, um, Whitney, do we do that monitoring?

3343
04:44:29,530 --> 04:44:33,950
Well, do we monitor, I think we can move on it and so.

3344
04:44:34,130 --> 04:44:36,390
Wouldn't it be a control of one and a dump in there?

3345
04:44:40,220 --> 04:44:41,340
Thank you.

3346
04:44:42,220 --> 04:44:49,320
If I could, and Commissioner to your question, and actually Commissioner Crap to your

3347
04:44:49,320 --> 04:44:59,140
question a little bit earlier about getting some sense of the results from the spending, and

3348
04:44:59,140 --> 04:44:59,960
To, to, to, to, to, to, to.

3349
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:20,000
The point of finding out what worked really well and what could be improved on, I guess. One thing that I wanted to remind everybody of, and one of the things that came out of our visit or landlord, it was a recommendation that the county hire a full-time,

3350
04:45:20,000 --> 04:45:32,460
First Development Tax Monitor, if you will, someone to oversee all the agreements with all of the applicants who receive funding.

3351
04:45:32,700 --> 04:45:44,320
Number one to make sure they were complying with the agreements and number two to measure economic impact and to get a sense for what was working and how well it was working.

3352
04:45:44,320 --> 04:45:54,000
And the County Administration, Byron and Lisa and team, and really your whole team there,

3353
04:45:54,620 --> 04:45:58,860
you hired someone, I think, two or three months ago, if I'm not mistaken,

3354
04:46:00,960 --> 04:46:01,440
outstanding

3355
04:46:01,440 --> 04:46:02,040
person.

3356
04:46:02,320 --> 04:46:08,640
If I do say so myself, and I say that because she actually worked in the Comptroller's

3357
04:46:08,640 --> 04:46:14,300
office for a number of years, but she has spent her career with

3358
04:46:14,300 --> 04:46:16,640
terrorist development tax, auditing, terrorist

3359
04:46:16,640 --> 04:46:21,700
development tax returns, serving a couple of times as president

3360
04:46:21,700 --> 04:46:26,100
of the Florida terrorist development tax association.

3361
04:46:27,440 --> 04:46:31,080
And so I think that will really go a long way towards providing

3362
04:46:31,080 --> 04:46:34,300
the insights that I think we all would like to see.

3363
04:46:35,540 --> 04:46:36,780
So, thank you, Councillor.

3364
04:46:36,980 --> 04:46:39,000
So, going by that same thing.

3365
04:46:39,080 --> 04:46:43,340
Councillor, do we have, do we know what has been the actual economic

3366
04:46:43,340 --> 04:46:51,380
return on the investment since 2018 from the $131 million first committed to the ARC program.

3367
04:46:52,000 --> 04:46:58,000
Do we know how many visitors, by project, do we have that audit, do we have that report?

3368
04:46:59,240 --> 04:47:03,360
Like, you know, how many jobs created because I, you know, we see that, oh, this creates

3369
04:47:03,360 --> 04:47:06,300
jobs, this isn't, but then we don't know exactly what.

3370
04:47:06,700 --> 04:47:10,980
Well, and I think that's a great question, and I think that's what every taxpayer would

3371
04:47:10,980 --> 04:47:14,900
I'd like to know is what are we getting for our tax dollars?

3372
04:47:15,280 --> 04:47:19,300
Yeah, and I think that's true with all taxes, but TTT taxes, for sure.

3373
04:47:20,320 --> 04:47:23,600
And that's something that we now have the framework to do that.

3374
04:47:23,780 --> 04:47:30,780
We have a staff, we have metrics, our funding agreements, our requiring more information from

3375
04:47:30,780 --> 04:47:37,980
recipients, whether it's general information, or even things like zip codes of visitors

3376
04:47:37,980 --> 04:47:44,420
in gas because we want to see what benefit, what is coming in and what is going to benefit

3377
04:47:44,980 --> 04:47:46,620
the tax collections in the future.

3378
04:47:47,440 --> 04:47:50,600
Hey, Commissioner, what we'll do, I'm some of those like I was thinking of, what a part

3379
04:47:50,600 --> 04:47:51,200
project.

3380
04:47:52,000 --> 04:47:54,920
We can pull what they're reports of being what they provided.

3381
04:47:55,380 --> 04:47:58,040
I used that when it came to mind as one of the projects.

3382
04:47:59,000 --> 04:48:01,780
That is completely, we've got TDT dollars that's complete.

3383
04:48:01,780 --> 04:48:09,660
And as they provide the information, we'll pull that information on their reports.

3384
04:48:10,660 --> 04:48:11,020
Thank you.

3385
04:48:11,100 --> 04:48:14,060
I have several more questions, but I'll email them to you.

3386
04:48:14,160 --> 04:48:14,620
We'll see you on later.

3387
04:48:14,960 --> 04:48:16,160
Thank you so much.

3388
04:48:16,460 --> 04:48:16,920
Give me your.

3389
04:48:20,540 --> 04:48:20,840
All right.

3390
04:48:20,940 --> 04:48:21,780
Commissioner Samara.

3391
04:48:25,290 --> 04:48:26,190
Thank you, Mayor.

3392
04:48:27,190 --> 04:48:28,210
Thank you, co-chairs.

3393
04:48:28,830 --> 04:48:29,290
And thank you.

3394
04:48:29,410 --> 04:48:31,490
There are taskforce members that are here.

3395
04:48:32,130 --> 04:48:34,650
Those that are watching or are back at work.

3396
04:48:34,770 --> 04:48:37,150
Thank you for everything including the staff.

3397
04:48:37,150 --> 04:48:42,210
because I know that you turned a heavy load over and a reduced amount of time and I know

3398
04:48:42,210 --> 04:48:46,070
that the community and the sport and myself are very grateful.

3399
04:48:46,450 --> 04:48:48,890
Thank you.

3400
04:48:49,990 --> 04:48:53,210
So Whitney, I have questions, please.

3401
04:48:54,250 --> 04:49:02,350
So on Wednesday of last week, we had our briefing and I was reviewing the report that was

3402
04:49:02,350 --> 04:49:14,250
published in Legislative Star, you know, as of this morning, when the hearing started and it's different than the 81 page report that we received up here.

3403
04:49:14,510 --> 04:49:18,370
So I haven't had the opportunity to read this one. So I'm going from this one.

3404
04:49:20,650 --> 04:49:31,270
When we had our briefing and in this report, you know, I reviewed the mayor's memo in such of what the charge of the committee was in the charge of this committee was

3405
04:49:33,370 --> 04:49:42,850
to make recommendations, let me read the language, was to make recommendations of future

3406
04:49:44,970 --> 04:49:52,090
TDT dollars that fell within the statutory limits. And so when we had our briefing, one

3407
04:49:52,090 --> 04:49:56,310
of the things that concerned me as that in this report is that I, when I asked you do all

3408
04:49:57,010 --> 04:49:59,770
and you said, well, there's two that are in this list.

3409
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:05,500
But you didn't have enough information on in order to determine whether or not they met the statutory limits.

3410
04:50:05,740 --> 04:50:20,020
And those two were the, you look, the advanced city of Akhoi Forest Lake golf course and advance the Florida citrus sports parking garage.

3411
04:50:20,740 --> 04:50:28,720
So those are recommendations eight and nine. And I wanted to understand if we had any more information to determine if they do fall within the state statute.

3412
04:50:30,000 --> 04:50:34,920
So, Commissioner, to clarify what I said was I still had questions on some of these, I still had some concerns.

3413
04:50:36,840 --> 04:50:42,060
The ones that I listed in addition to those two were also the Eatonville CRA.

3414
04:50:43,300 --> 04:50:45,900
And, excuse me, you said City of Ocoe in the parking garage, right?

3415
04:50:45,900 --> 04:50:46,100
Yeah.

3416
04:50:46,700 --> 04:50:47,040
Okay.

3417
04:50:47,460 --> 04:50:48,760
The Eatonville CRA was the other one.

3418
04:50:49,320 --> 04:50:54,640
So, based on the information I had at the time that I did my legal review.

3419
04:50:54,640 --> 04:51:00,880
And again, when they submitted additional information, because both OCoE and the CRA submitted additional information,

3420
04:51:02,100 --> 04:51:08,280
there were some portions of those projects that look like they might qualify for TTT, there are some portions that may not.

3421
04:51:09,020 --> 04:51:12,980
So, I don't have any other information at this point other than what I had at that time.

3422
04:51:13,220 --> 04:51:21,080
So, that's why I've said to you all today, I do still have some questions about a couple of these, but right now I don't have any other information than what I had then.

3423
04:51:22,040 --> 04:51:37,600
Okay, and then just in reference to the charge of the committee, additionally, we, in recommendation number four, if I, when we reviewed the requirements of each project, they were supposed to be at the request amount of $20 million.

3424
04:51:37,600 --> 04:51:46,800
And during the TDT task force, there was a discussion on the creative city project, because

3425
04:51:46,800 --> 04:51:53,760
I had requested 2.5 million for 10 years and there was a motion at the committee, and I attended

3426
04:51:53,760 --> 04:51:57,900
every single meeting that I could, and if I couldn't, my team was on site, and then

3427
04:51:57,900 --> 04:52:02,180
I made sure to watch every single meeting, and I stayed up for a late-watching them again,

3428
04:52:02,300 --> 04:52:04,940
including the last one, all seven hours of it.

3429
04:52:04,940 --> 04:52:11,140
So I have done my homework on it, so there was a motion that was made to amend it to

3430
04:52:11,140 --> 04:52:17,800
being five years because the task force was uncomfortable with the ten-year time span.

3431
04:52:18,680 --> 04:52:25,020
And so, but now if we look at that recommendation, now it falls below the $20 million threshold

3432
04:52:25,020 --> 04:52:30,500
that was required, I also watched the TDC Council and I know that the mayor of Eatonville

3433
04:52:30,500 --> 04:52:34,420
was making a request to rectify that.

3434
04:52:34,480 --> 04:52:37,060
It was not rectified in the TDC meeting.

3435
04:52:37,240 --> 04:52:39,900
And now here it is in the final report,

3436
04:52:39,980 --> 04:52:42,880
but it's not meeting the requirement of what

3437
04:52:42,880 --> 04:52:45,040
was set forth at 20 million.

3438
04:52:45,300 --> 04:52:48,220
And so we have, I'm concerned because we have recommendations

3439
04:52:48,220 --> 04:52:51,620
in here that were one, we're not totally sure

3440
04:52:51,620 --> 04:52:55,500
meet the statutory limit and then also one that doesn't

3441
04:52:55,500 --> 04:52:59,340
meet our own internal criteria of 20 million.

3442
04:53:01,040 --> 04:53:03,420
So, what was the question there, Commissioner?

3443
04:53:05,220 --> 04:53:08,460
How did this one end up when it didn't meet our own internal criteria?

3444
04:53:08,580 --> 04:53:09,800
It initially did, by the way.

3445
04:53:09,900 --> 04:53:13,640
So, and I'm not opposed to it, and, you know, I hear that the committee was concerned

3446
04:53:13,640 --> 04:53:17,600
about the 10 years, and I'm okay taking that recommendation and reducing it to five,

3447
04:53:17,960 --> 04:53:23,720
but then we have to consider that we have a recommendation that is not in compliance with internal

3448
04:53:23,720 --> 04:53:26,520
policy that was set forth on this committee.

3449
04:53:27,040 --> 04:53:32,160
So I understand the concern there, and that is something that had come up with some of the other projects as well,

3450
04:53:32,360 --> 04:53:36,860
specifically those that were asked to provide additional information after the initial legal review.

3451
04:53:37,700 --> 04:53:41,840
One of the things that I mentioned was some of those would likely drop below that $20 million threshold,

3452
04:53:42,860 --> 04:53:47,320
and to the extent we didn't know that there were some concerns that perhaps were treating folks differently.

3453
04:53:47,660 --> 04:53:51,900
But ultimately, what happened was those projects did move through for a review by the task force.

3454
04:53:51,900 --> 04:54:01,940
And by the time they got to the point of making their recommendations, what I told them was this is in your hands the mayor has asked you to form this task force and to give your best recommendations to the board

3455
04:54:01,940 --> 04:54:07,840
So there's nothing legally prohibiting them from forwarding something to you that's less than 20 million dollars

3456
04:54:07,840 --> 04:54:11,560
It was simply the threshold to get into the initial review for this project

3457
04:54:11,560 --> 04:54:16,920
So again, this is up to the board to decide what you want to do with these moving forward

3458
04:54:16,920 --> 04:54:20,100
If you want to bump them back up to 22.5 million

3459
04:54:20,100 --> 04:54:21,420
I think is what the request was.

3460
04:54:21,500 --> 04:54:23,220
I'm sure they'd be thrilled with that.

3461
04:54:23,460 --> 04:54:26,600
But ultimately, it's up to you all to decide whether

3462
04:54:26,600 --> 04:54:28,100
or not you want to move forward with these.

3463
04:54:28,220 --> 04:54:30,660
And again, to reiterate today, you're just

3464
04:54:30,660 --> 04:54:33,360
being asked to accept a report, not endorse it.

3465
04:54:33,440 --> 04:54:36,240
Right, but this is my problem on the report

3466
04:54:36,240 --> 04:54:38,920
is making recommendations that we're still not sure about.

3467
04:54:39,600 --> 04:54:44,140
But let me just, I'll table, though, as in, maybe we can fix it.

3468
04:54:44,300 --> 04:54:46,100
But what is concerning is, is that we bring up

3469
04:54:46,100 --> 04:54:49,220
this word of fairness, and it merges me

3470
04:54:49,220 --> 04:54:54,160
to you know like so now we require some to meet 20 million but we've got one that doesn't and

3471
04:54:54,160 --> 04:54:58,420
you know what I I actually support that project I don't want to see that project come out just

3472
04:54:58,420 --> 04:54:59,980
like the committee didn't want to see it.

3473
04:55:00,760 --> 04:55:12,500
And I support the recommendations of the task force too. I think they did the best that they could within the time period allowed with the resources and the data that were provided, the problem is the consistency of that data.

3474
04:55:13,280 --> 04:55:27,940
So if I, you know, I also just want to look at, you know, within the report when we talk about the implant and that we're using Georgia, Savannah as a benchmark for a land of Florida, we're comparing a first tier tourism city to one that is not a first tier city.

3475
04:55:27,940 --> 04:55:31,120
So it's not a comparative analysis and size and scope

3476
04:55:31,120 --> 04:55:34,020
or in terms of the level of the economic engine

3477
04:55:34,020 --> 04:55:36,980
of our tourism industry.

3478
04:55:38,180 --> 04:55:40,980
So with that being said, the economic impact analysis

3479
04:55:40,980 --> 04:55:44,580
that was provided in the report measures economic activity,

3480
04:55:45,320 --> 04:55:48,120
but not whether or not the investment is actually worthwhile.

3481
04:55:50,240 --> 04:55:52,140
And I don't think it's fair to all applicants.

3482
04:55:52,260 --> 04:55:54,240
It's not fair to those that did do it.

3483
04:55:54,300 --> 04:55:56,560
And I don't think it's fair to those that didn't do it

3484
04:55:56,560 --> 04:55:58,820
to be left out of a comparative analysis,

3485
04:56:00,660 --> 04:56:03,640
if it's a different measurement criteria

3486
04:56:03,640 --> 04:56:06,020
for different applicants.

3487
04:56:07,080 --> 04:56:09,520
So because of that, I would really like to see

3488
04:56:09,520 --> 04:56:11,980
some form of a further, and I just discussed this

3489
04:56:11,980 --> 04:56:15,580
with Rosanna, financial analysis on these projects,

3490
04:56:15,660 --> 04:56:19,160
so that we can have apples and oranges to oranges,

3491
04:56:19,500 --> 04:56:22,300
but that financial analysis be within the size

3492
04:56:22,300 --> 04:56:25,400
and the scale of the project request.

3493
04:56:26,560 --> 04:56:33,300
So I want to, I just want to reference that one of the reasons that we have unite here,

3494
04:56:33,300 --> 04:56:40,220
which represents 10,000 of our workers, and we've got 400,000 hospitality workers in Orange County.

3495
04:56:40,320 --> 04:56:46,040
One of the reasons that they're upset pertains to that they worked very hard in this rubric

3496
04:56:46,040 --> 04:56:53,400
to get a category that read economic benefit, jobs, wages, attracting employers and development.

3497
04:56:53,400 --> 04:56:59,460
And if you read how they were scored, if you paid live little wage jobs, you got a higher scoring metric.

3498
04:57:00,820 --> 04:57:04,660
So, you know, I attended, I watched my team attended, they watched.

3499
04:57:04,960 --> 04:57:11,680
I never saw a vote that allowed that made a decision to move away from the rubric that was approved

3500
04:57:11,680 --> 04:57:15,840
and the rubric that was used in 2023, so we requested the minutes.

3501
04:57:16,300 --> 04:57:21,620
But the minutes are not actually available to review to even decide when did that vote happen

3502
04:57:21,620 --> 04:57:27,040
because I didn't see it, so we used a different metric

3503
04:57:27,040 --> 04:57:33,760
that didn't actually assess the job essentially wage quality.

3504
04:57:34,020 --> 04:57:37,280
But when we used the economic impact analysis on implant,

3505
04:57:37,480 --> 04:57:39,820
we took into consideration job creation

3506
04:57:39,820 --> 04:57:41,640
that wasn't necessarily permanent.

3507
04:57:41,760 --> 04:57:43,460
They're temporary because of construction.

3508
04:57:44,160 --> 04:57:49,920
Again, it's an issue of fairness in terms of how we measure

3509
04:57:49,920 --> 04:57:54,740
these projects with regard to the report.

3510
04:57:57,000 --> 04:57:59,600
Also, I wanted to say that within the report,

3511
04:57:59,820 --> 04:58:04,800
you know, and this came out during the TTT Task Force meeting by the Winner Park Representative,

3512
04:58:05,580 --> 04:58:12,780
and was corroborated by the other members, was that the sentiment that was evaluated at the sentiment score,

3513
04:58:12,780 --> 04:58:19,840
or the support for a project is actually not the valid metric or measurement of what Mayor

3514
04:58:19,840 --> 04:58:23,740
dummings charge this task force to do per his memo.

3515
04:58:24,300 --> 04:58:30,980
What should have been asked is the willingness to fund, or the willingness to pay, and that

3516
04:58:30,980 --> 04:58:34,280
was highlighted in the discussion, which is devoid in the report.

3517
04:58:34,480 --> 04:58:39,840
It's not reference because the task force members said, hey, wait a minute, yet you asked

3518
04:58:39,840 --> 04:58:40,780
me if I support it.

3519
04:58:40,780 --> 04:58:48,180
someone support it, but am I willing to fund it? No. And so that creates an issue of validity

3520
04:58:48,180 --> 04:58:51,440
and actually what was measured. And

3521
04:58:54,000 --> 04:58:57,000
if I move on from that,

3522
04:59:00,260 --> 04:59:02,440
when I asked the TDT task force

3523
04:59:02,440 --> 04:59:06,640
members that were representing District 5, if they had approved and reviewed the report,

3524
04:59:06,820 --> 04:59:12,120
they didn't even know that it was completed. Which made me pause and so we went back and we looked

3525
04:59:12,120 --> 04:59:20,120
for TDC Council, you know, and to see what the motion was on the floor and the motion was

3526
04:59:22,020 --> 04:59:25,600
the motion was made to approve the final report.

3527
04:59:25,940 --> 04:59:30,380
However, today we heard from the co-chair that the final report was provided to us on the

3528
04:59:30,380 --> 04:59:31,500
dias right now.

3529
04:59:31,840 --> 04:59:35,400
And when I asked on Wednesday for a report, it wasn't done for me to review.

3530
04:59:37,460 --> 04:59:44,460
So I'm concerned because the TDC did actually, they voted to approve a final report that

3531
04:59:45,520 --> 04:59:48,540
Rosen, this is the report right here. You said this is the final one.

3532
04:59:48,560 --> 04:59:52,580
This isn't what was on the floor at the TDC. This is a different document.

3533
04:59:53,400 --> 04:59:54,000
So,

3534
04:59:57,960 --> 04:59:59,980
the DDT motion curl you have it.

3535
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,340
The TTT motion was to recommend that the Board of County Commissioners approve the final report.

3536
05:00:09,870 --> 05:00:15,710
It's said I watched last night motion of the TDC recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners to

3537
05:00:15,710 --> 05:00:22,150
accept the OC Tourist Development Tax Citizen Advisory Task Force final report. How could they make a

3538
05:00:22,150 --> 05:00:27,590
recommendation to this board to accept the final report when they themselves had not reviewed the final report?

3539
05:00:29,060 --> 05:00:36,220
We went over in detail all the presentation and they had discussion and the motion passed.

3540
05:00:43,770 --> 05:00:45,750
If I move on,

3541
05:00:50,040 --> 05:00:55,920
in terms of, you know, I just want to talk to the Board of County Commissioners,

3542
05:00:56,000 --> 05:01:00,880
the members here because I support the recommendations of this report.

3543
05:01:01,220 --> 05:01:02,360
I support them.

3544
05:01:02,520 --> 05:01:04,340
I have a sentiment towards them.

3545
05:01:04,520 --> 05:01:07,000
I'm also willing to fund some of them.

3546
05:01:07,000 --> 05:01:16,580
But I'm not willing to accept or prove this final report when we have within here.

3547
05:01:16,860 --> 05:01:23,020
One is that not everybody had an economic analysis, so we don't have apples to apples on that.

3548
05:01:23,200 --> 05:01:29,200
We used Savannah, Georgia as a benchmark to assess economic activity.

3549
05:01:29,200 --> 05:01:39,520
We deviated from the rubric that the 2023 Task Force recommended that we include job and wage quality within it.

3550
05:01:39,840 --> 05:01:45,100
So we didn't follow the 2023 recommendation to use that in the rubric.

3551
05:01:45,680 --> 05:01:50,940
What I support today is advancing the recommendations of the Task Force.

3552
05:01:50,940 --> 05:01:53,160
I do not accept this final report.

3553
05:01:53,960 --> 05:01:56,760
There are issues in terms of one of the recommendations,

3554
05:01:57,920 --> 05:02:00,980
not meeting the 20 million criteria,

3555
05:02:01,860 --> 05:02:03,580
not everybody got an economic analysis,

3556
05:02:04,480 --> 05:02:07,880
not everybody had enough data to evaluate it.

3557
05:02:07,980 --> 05:02:11,080
The statistical assessment did not actually measure willingness

3558
05:02:11,080 --> 05:02:12,740
to pay or willingness to fund.

3559
05:02:13,280 --> 05:02:14,380
It measured support.

3560
05:02:15,640 --> 05:02:19,580
So I support, and I believe that the task force did

3561
05:02:19,580 --> 05:02:24,600
best that could be done with the data and the time that was provided. I know that there are people

3562
05:02:24,600 --> 05:02:29,520
who took time off of work to go to those meetings. I believe we should accept those recommendations.

3563
05:02:29,960 --> 05:02:34,780
I believe we should move it forward. But I in no way shape or form a future meeting. Do I want

3564
05:02:34,780 --> 05:02:40,840
to sit back and refer to a report where not every candidate or applicant was compared comparatively?

3565
05:02:42,020 --> 05:02:47,780
It's not fair in my world. So I also don't want to vote on a report that I received while I was

3566
05:02:47,780 --> 05:02:53,020
on this diet that exceeds what the report that I reviewed until late last night by nearly

3567
05:02:53,020 --> 05:02:53,920
60 pages.

3568
05:02:54,060 --> 05:02:57,960
I don't know what's in the report and I would love to take somebody's word for it, but when

3569
05:02:57,960 --> 05:03:02,180
I'm making a decision for hundreds of millions of dollars, I want to read that report

3570
05:03:02,180 --> 05:03:08,420
every sentence by myself to evaluate it and to think on the best that I can of the taxpayers

3571
05:03:08,420 --> 05:03:09,380
of Orange County.

3572
05:03:09,420 --> 05:03:14,180
So I would recommend that we move the recommendations forward for consideration.

3573
05:03:14,180 --> 05:03:20,080
I don't think that this report that the TDC did not even view when they voted for the final report.

3574
05:03:20,300 --> 05:03:33,280
They didn't read it. They didn't have it. It wasn't done. I think there's problems in the process, and I think that, you know, we moved forward with the best that we've got, but I don't, I don't accept this final report.

3575
05:03:33,280 --> 05:03:42,620
I think that the task force would be certainly willing, probably even happy, to have you

3576
05:03:42,620 --> 05:03:44,300
advance the recommendations.

3577
05:03:47,220 --> 05:03:55,500
The TDC preferred to simply accept the report without making any judgments.

3578
05:03:56,220 --> 05:03:58,700
They accepted without even seeing it.

3579
05:03:58,820 --> 05:03:59,640
It wasn't done.

3580
05:03:59,700 --> 05:04:00,920
It wasn't available.

3581
05:04:02,100 --> 05:04:15,320
I do object to the fact that the staff, the mayor staff, your staff, Orange County staff did the very best job they could.

3582
05:04:16,480 --> 05:04:25,440
And I cannot accept any criticism based on an implication that they did not.

3583
05:04:26,000 --> 05:04:36,500
They did a fine job, we did the best job we could, given the parameters that we all had

3584
05:04:36,500 --> 05:04:37,520
to deal with.

3585
05:04:37,840 --> 05:04:41,100
I would be very happy to have you advance the recommendations.

3586
05:04:42,340 --> 05:04:46,800
Mayor Chip, and I just want to make sure I don't think that staff did a bad job, and

3587
05:04:46,800 --> 05:04:49,520
I don't think that the TTT Task Force did a bad job.

3588
05:04:49,560 --> 05:04:55,040
I think the process was rushed, and I'm acknowledging that I think you did the absolute

3589
05:04:55,040 --> 05:04:59,540
best with the time-allotted and the data provided.

3590
05:05:00,020 --> 05:05:24,000
Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to add commissioner if it's helpful at all. The difference between the packets that you were provided to the TDC and what you received, and I get it sitting on a board, getting materials that are extensive and you don't have enough time to review it is not comfortable for anybody. So I completely understand that frustration and the commissioner Scott said the same thing.

3591
05:05:24,000 --> 05:05:51,420
The our understanding of the only variant is that there was a desire for those being presented in the way that they were presented today to have more than just like their name on a slide and what the survey results were and so slides were added to provide visuals so that those could be so that was no one had seen those visuals that way that was a special for this presentation and then you've already heard about Dr. Bluestone's additions and revision to his report and his reasons for that.

3592
05:05:51,420 --> 05:05:57,840
So to this I wanted you to know from our perspective and staff defense as well, like the only

3593
05:05:57,840 --> 05:06:02,560
additions intended and all those were communicated to us in advance, that these changes

3594
05:06:02,560 --> 05:06:03,460
were going to be made.

3595
05:06:03,700 --> 05:06:09,980
They were simply meant to enhance what you received, not to change information, but I understand

3596
05:06:09,980 --> 05:06:12,100
with enough time for you to review it.

3597
05:06:12,600 --> 05:06:14,000
You'd be taking my word for it.

3598
05:06:14,100 --> 05:06:15,360
So I just wanted to acknowledge that.

3599
05:06:15,440 --> 05:06:20,340
Yeah and you know I mean my boss are the people who elected me and the taxpayers of Orange County

3600
05:06:20,340 --> 05:06:26,820
And I'm not there's not any malice behind my intention, but I would have a hard time just

3601
05:06:26,820 --> 05:06:30,080
to find saying I voted for something when I hadn't even read it.

3602
05:06:30,200 --> 05:06:30,220
Yeah.

3603
05:06:30,680 --> 05:06:32,280
I totally understand it.

3604
05:06:32,360 --> 05:06:35,060
That's why the request is simply to accept the work done.

3605
05:06:35,380 --> 05:06:35,920
Thank you.

3606
05:06:36,220 --> 05:06:36,640
Commissioner Scott.

3607
05:06:36,920 --> 05:06:37,460
Did you have a question?

3608
05:06:38,080 --> 05:06:47,440
Mayor, I don't have a question for Commissioner eBay, but just a remark for Rosanne and

3609
05:06:47,440 --> 05:06:54,320
as we figure out what next steps are regardless of the outcome of any acceptance or lack of

3610
05:06:54,320 --> 05:06:59,860
acceptance. And I think chemistry would kind of set the same thing. I would love this

3611
05:06:59,860 --> 05:07:04,260
year of process that has separate from municipalities like this is for municipal organizations only

3612
05:07:04,260 --> 05:07:08,980
because I think that the resources and the effort that they put into a process versus that of

3613
05:07:08,980 --> 05:07:15,780
a non-profit or any other entity is different. And I think it would help kind of keep some of the

3614
05:07:15,780 --> 05:07:21,140
is consistent, compared to what we have found any given on-profit, arts organization or any

3615
05:07:21,140 --> 05:07:27,020
other entity outside of a municipal corporation. So I would love to see the cities completely

3616
05:07:27,540 --> 05:07:31,120
have their own process for anything relative to TTT.

3617
05:07:33,240 --> 05:07:37,260
And then relative to the other presentations

3618
05:07:37,260 --> 05:07:42,640
that were not presented here today. I don't know, let's say we move forward with acceptance.

3619
05:07:43,180 --> 05:07:50,600
And then we select all the ones that were recommended to see their presentations, maybe that's 10 minutes for them.

3620
05:07:50,840 --> 05:07:55,720
And five minutes for those that were recommended, we don't want to see all of the presentations together.

3621
05:07:56,060 --> 05:08:02,540
How that takes shape again, that's up to you and inspiring depending on the outcome of a vote.

3622
05:08:03,600 --> 05:08:07,480
You had a remark, I was just sharing for you to figure out, but you've had a more good.

3623
05:08:07,760 --> 05:08:10,440
So you're requesting presentations by all 20.

3624
05:08:10,440 --> 05:08:12,040
I want to see it all.

3625
05:08:12,500 --> 05:08:13,480
I want to see it all.

3626
05:08:13,620 --> 05:08:14,600
We can be out.

3627
05:08:16,000 --> 05:08:19,300
No, what a, what a, what a, what a commissioner Wilson.

3628
05:08:19,820 --> 05:08:21,640
What I'm saying is this.

3629
05:08:21,680 --> 05:08:24,280
This is change multiple times, right?

3630
05:08:24,600 --> 05:08:26,420
What they, commissioner Wilson.

3631
05:08:27,060 --> 05:08:27,840
Hear me out here.

3632
05:08:27,880 --> 05:08:29,320
I never interrupt you ever.

3633
05:08:30,020 --> 05:08:32,520
What I'm saying is this processes change

3634
05:08:32,520 --> 05:08:35,500
from the time the folks created their presentation

3635
05:08:35,500 --> 05:08:39,020
to the time that they actually got into the presentations.

3636
05:08:39,020 --> 05:08:46,720
What I'm asking for is for them to and they may revise a bit of it them to present in a abbreviated

3637
05:08:47,460 --> 05:08:54,440
Like presentation to us, so I can have context for why I looked at the meetings and I get you know your time

3638
05:08:54,440 --> 05:08:58,160
And again, this is not a yes or no. I'm just sharing my thoughts, right?

3639
05:08:58,680 --> 05:09:03,680
Maybe it happens. Maybe it doesn't. I'm sharing my thoughts for their benefit. What ultimately happens is will be what's that

3640
05:09:03,680 --> 05:09:07,460
So I'm not saying hey, I want to hear it all. I'm just sharing my thoughts like you do

3641
05:09:07,460 --> 05:09:11,840
is that about whether you agree or disagree, but what I'm saying is this, what someone presents

3642
05:09:11,840 --> 05:09:17,440
to a board of appointed volunteers versus what they will present, context and things they

3643
05:09:17,440 --> 05:09:21,960
share with us, I think would be drastically different, right? Also given the changes that have

3644
05:09:21,960 --> 05:09:26,280
occurred, they may add or include, but I'm just saying I want to see the totality of everything

3645
05:09:26,280 --> 05:09:29,980
in comparison to what was recommended versus what was not, so that I can just have a full picture

3646
05:09:29,980 --> 05:09:34,960
in one setting. That's all I'm saying. Commissioner Ribe, we had a sunshine meeting

3647
05:09:36,160 --> 05:09:45,820
And I like your idea about UCF and the city of Akoi, but I want to understand, has your position changed relative to our sense?

3648
05:09:45,980 --> 05:09:49,160
I mean, because you thought that we should hold off until November.

3649
05:09:49,680 --> 05:09:53,080
So you still are the same thought. How do you feel about that?

3650
05:10:04,130 --> 05:10:13,490
Unless there is support for that, no, but I do. I will tell you what's very inviting to me is seeing these municipalities get some money. But it's got to come up context.

3651
05:10:13,490 --> 05:10:19,230
And so that's why I'm, I just, because again, that was, they changed it a couple of times

3652
05:10:19,230 --> 05:10:25,610
like you had the sentiment score, you had the Rubik, it's just, I would just want to have a full clear

3653
05:10:25,610 --> 05:10:29,550
and complete picture presented to the Board of County Commissioners of everything.

3654
05:10:29,730 --> 05:10:33,170
It's like you review the work, yeah, they recommend something, but we can review the things that...

3655
05:10:33,890 --> 05:10:35,570
And that makes it end the intent.

3656
05:10:35,870 --> 05:10:40,850
I think I'm trying to protect what is a, an essential process as a Board of County Commission

3657
05:10:40,850 --> 05:10:49,870
that we in paneled citizen task force and that we have certain procedures that they go

3658
05:10:49,870 --> 05:10:56,150
through that hopefully get us information so that we then take that information and

3659
05:10:56,150 --> 05:11:02,250
either can move it forward analyze it, but you're essentially asking to redo it.

3660
05:11:02,450 --> 05:11:03,010
No, no, no.

3661
05:11:03,050 --> 05:11:07,930
And so to have every single one of those presenters to come back in and go back through the

3662
05:11:07,930 --> 05:11:12,970
process they went through with an in-panel citizen task force that we in-paneled feels like

3663
05:11:12,970 --> 05:11:21,030
a tremendous waste of resources and time and I trusted the conversations, not just the analysis

3664
05:11:21,030 --> 05:11:25,210
for the conversations that they had and we were given yes a plethora of information but

3665
05:11:25,210 --> 05:11:29,910
a lot of it was full dialogue. Like part of that report that they included was full dialogue

3666
05:11:29,910 --> 05:11:36,730
of these members. And so I would ask you to go back and maybe if there was parts of those

3667
05:11:37,590 --> 05:11:44,810
The TDS course that you did not get a chance to review by watching our TV or not being there.

3668
05:11:44,830 --> 05:11:49,050
Please do that before bringing that back as a restart for all of us.

3669
05:11:49,210 --> 05:11:52,690
I just think that that undermines the citizen task force that we have.

3670
05:11:53,170 --> 05:11:57,570
Commissioner, I am not asking for a restart.

3671
05:11:58,010 --> 05:12:02,450
And I want to see if I can present this in a way that maybe I'd agree with, but you can understand.

3672
05:12:03,110 --> 05:12:03,830
I wish I was the youngest.

3673
05:12:03,830 --> 05:12:11,130
I have five brothers and one sister and often times they ask me to go to mom or dad for certain things, right?

3674
05:12:11,830 --> 05:12:16,310
And I may do the work or whatever presented and maybe they get what they want or they don't.

3675
05:12:16,490 --> 05:12:20,510
There have been instances where I've asked my mom or dad for something and they've said no,

3676
05:12:20,830 --> 05:12:24,110
and then my brother and sister have wanted to go back and represent.

3677
05:12:24,730 --> 05:12:26,890
There are people who are not happy with this process.

3678
05:12:27,150 --> 05:12:27,850
You can agree.

3679
05:12:28,030 --> 05:12:30,430
We all can agree that there were certain things that could have,

3680
05:12:30,430 --> 05:12:33,870
I'd like to say better, just done differently, because better is subjective.

3681
05:12:34,490 --> 05:12:35,590
Things could have been done differently.

3682
05:12:36,090 --> 05:12:41,410
Given that things could have been done differently, I'm asking to have a full sense of

3683
05:12:41,410 --> 05:12:45,550
everything given the changes that were made, the comments that were made, and I think

3684
05:12:45,550 --> 05:12:49,930
it's fair to all parties, in particular the parties who weren't advanced forward.

3685
05:12:50,270 --> 05:12:55,390
It doesn't mean that we are disregarding the time that the individuals could end.

3686
05:12:55,610 --> 05:12:59,730
But at the end of the day, we are the decision makers, and so if we are the decision makers,

3687
05:12:59,730 --> 05:13:04,610
I want to make sure that I have a full complete picture, similar to what Commissioner Semorad said,

3688
05:13:04,610 --> 05:13:09,870
of everything before I make a decision because there may be context in a word, a phrase,

3689
05:13:10,110 --> 05:13:15,390
or a presentation that was made by someone who was excluded. There may be context in a presentation

3690
05:13:15,390 --> 05:13:19,850
or a statement that's made somebody who was included. And so for me, it's just a review of the work.

3691
05:13:20,190 --> 05:13:24,270
Ultimately, we are the decision makers. No, in charge. I understand that, but that needs to be

3692
05:13:24,270 --> 05:13:27,430
drilled down. And that's what they've done. So I guess the other parts that I want to make sure

3693
05:13:27,430 --> 05:13:33,490
established on the record, is that by citizen task force and now doing the analysis, it

3694
05:13:33,490 --> 05:13:38,590
depleadizes it to some extent. We understand every single day that you're being hit

3695
05:13:38,590 --> 05:13:45,310
up by so many of interested members of rightfully, right? This is a lot of money and they are

3696
05:13:45,310 --> 05:13:50,470
rightfully doing their jobs and trying to get their projects moved forward. But taking it

3697
05:13:50,470 --> 05:13:56,090
one step away from somebody right now that is in a position of politics in an election

3698
05:13:56,090 --> 05:14:02,950
year allows you the ability to look at it empirically. You can look at your appointees and their

3699
05:14:02,950 --> 05:14:09,510
outcomes and trust that they did it from a deep politicized position. That is for me a value in

3700
05:14:09,510 --> 05:14:15,290
a citizen appointed to task force that I hope that you're not dismissing. No good, you make great

3701
05:14:15,290 --> 05:14:24,890
points. Again, I am not in different to what you're saying, right? But what I am saying is

3702
05:14:26,390 --> 05:14:31,490
There are some things that were missed. I watched all those presentations. There were some things that were missed.

3703
05:14:31,970 --> 05:14:40,110
There were some things that people who were not considered would have done differently had they known certain changes and things.

3704
05:14:40,390 --> 05:14:44,250
You know what I'm saying in the beginning? I'm not asking to redo the work.

3705
05:14:44,530 --> 05:14:51,210
I'm not asking for a long presentation because as I understand the process from Byron, we would choose some or all the people that are recommended it.

3706
05:14:51,210 --> 05:14:55,070
So maybe we get them 10 to 5 minutes, but I just want to have a complete picture.

3707
05:14:55,590 --> 05:14:57,730
First hand, not second hand.

3708
05:14:58,010 --> 05:14:59,970
My appointees did a great job on half the day.

3709
05:15:02,680 --> 05:15:20,940
And if I can't say, you see F-90 million to Dr. Phillips that are 750 million or not, hey, you just got some money, completely different caliber and that's where I want to see that clarification, because I don't, I don't believe that we got enough on that.

3710
05:15:20,940 --> 05:15:30,060
And just my last comment, Mayor Demings, thank you, you've been a saint in your first day back, allowing us the time to have this dialogue.

3711
05:15:30,960 --> 05:15:36,800
I am not for against any project at this time as it stands right now.

3712
05:15:37,080 --> 05:15:43,180
I just want to complete picture of everything that occurred firsthand in front of me.

3713
05:15:43,440 --> 05:15:48,480
I've looked at some of the meetings, not as extensively as Commissioner Semorad, but I have looked back at the meetings.

3714
05:15:48,480 --> 05:15:57,060
And, like I said, I sat here with all these documents, I'm still a little bit confused, and so for me it's making sure I have a clear understanding of everything.

3715
05:15:57,880 --> 05:16:04,280
Right in front of me prior to making a decision, it may be we move forward with the four process recommended and everything stays where it is.

3716
05:16:04,540 --> 05:16:17,300
But I just feel like to have the benefit of all that information. The other piece, and again, forgive me for if I overstep Commissioner Crab, he came in at the end of this process, he's going to make a decision.

3717
05:16:17,300 --> 05:16:21,540
for people who were not appointed. And so if for no other reason, for his benefit, I think

3718
05:16:21,540 --> 05:16:25,160
he deserves the benefit of the doubt to hear these presentations directly.

3719
05:16:29,360 --> 05:16:34,660
So that's all I'm saying, okay, that's all I'm saying. It could be an abbreviated process.

3720
05:16:34,800 --> 05:16:40,840
It doesn't have to be the whole gamut, right? I think there should be weight to the recommendations

3721
05:16:40,840 --> 05:16:44,520
that you made. Again, from a time like maybe we give them 10 minutes and we give the people

3722
05:16:44,520 --> 05:16:46,120
we're denied five. I don't know what that is.

3723
05:16:46,300 --> 05:16:48,840
There should be wait to the recommendations.

3724
05:16:49,580 --> 05:16:52,580
But there also should be an opportunity for the folks

3725
05:16:52,580 --> 05:16:55,760
who were not recommended to give their perspective

3726
05:16:55,760 --> 05:16:58,840
to the full of the board so that we have clear contacts.

3727
05:16:59,540 --> 05:17:03,460
So let's, let's, let's, let's just put can you put

3728
05:17:03,460 --> 05:17:08,060
the recommended action up on the screen and perhaps

3729
05:17:08,060 --> 05:17:10,800
we can expand the recommended action.

3730
05:17:10,800 --> 05:17:12,980
So this is a recommended action.

3731
05:17:13,600 --> 05:17:16,980
To one accept, acceptance of the orange kind of twist

3732
05:17:16,980 --> 05:17:20,380
development tax, citizens of the biode or task force,

3733
05:17:20,380 --> 05:17:21,360
final report.

3734
05:17:21,880 --> 05:17:26,400
It seems like we're not debating whether we want to start

3735
05:17:26,400 --> 05:17:26,840
to report.

3736
05:17:27,620 --> 05:17:27,620
OK,

3737
05:17:31,680 --> 05:17:35,780
but to me, they were wanting the same, but we

3738
05:17:35,780 --> 05:17:40,160
can say twist of development tax, citizens of the biode

3739
05:17:40,160 --> 05:17:41,840
or task force recommendations.

3740
05:17:42,360 --> 05:17:43,380
If you want to say that,

3741
05:17:43,380 --> 05:17:51,860
Okay. Okay. But the pick-up, the, where I hear the, the consternation that remains,

3742
05:17:52,600 --> 05:17:59,580
I will offer something that may be able to be added without thorn the whole

3743
05:17:59,580 --> 05:18:05,440
baby out with the valve water here. And that is to add. So in other words, it would

3744
05:18:05,440 --> 05:18:09,640
read requested action, acceptance of the Orange County Tourist Development Tax,

3745
05:18:09,640 --> 05:18:12,740
citizen device or task force recommendations.

3746
05:18:13,920 --> 05:18:17,520
With the understanding, the staff will work with the

3747
05:18:17,520 --> 05:18:23,240
comproller to adjust timing of funding across fiscal

3748
05:18:23,240 --> 05:18:29,000
years and have recommendations for the specific project

3749
05:18:29,000 --> 05:18:30,140
funding options.

3750
05:18:30,920 --> 05:18:39,020
This would be for those recommended capacity options that we

3751
05:18:39,020 --> 05:18:45,420
have that means that that will come back to the Board of County Commission staff will work with

3752
05:18:45,420 --> 05:18:56,000
these different entities to adjust modify but they will come back with specific funding options

3753
05:18:56,000 --> 05:19:02,100
for the Board of County Commission to consider. At a later date where you don't have to go back

3754
05:19:02,100 --> 05:19:08,560
and redo everything that the task force did, what they heard, what they recommended to you,

3755
05:19:08,560 --> 05:19:15,320
The board then has kind of what a part of what you heard about the capacity, okay?

3756
05:19:15,460 --> 05:19:23,400
And the fact that we would have to make modifications because at some point if we did everything

3757
05:19:23,400 --> 05:19:32,900
that was recommended, we would exceed and some fiscal use the floor that the control has recommended

3758
05:19:32,900 --> 05:19:44,600
of that $300,000 reserve balance. So it gives the staff, it empowers the staff to go do the work,

3759
05:19:44,920 --> 05:19:52,360
bring it to the board, but not undo all the work that the task force is done. Okay. And then it addresses

3760
05:19:52,360 --> 05:19:59,960
the issue that I think you're trying to articulate here today, but staff took-

3761
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:11,400
Get the Board of County Commission to take action on these projects that have been presented or others. There's a lot of work that has to be done.

3762
05:20:12,100 --> 05:20:18,720
And so that's something that really needs to go forward. There were excellent projects that have been presented.

3763
05:20:19,400 --> 05:20:26,460
We can do some of those projects, many of these applicants who are here, they're excited about the potential for those projects.

3764
05:20:26,460 --> 05:20:28,480
And they really need to move forward.

3765
05:20:28,660 --> 05:20:39,380
Timing is very, very important to, I think, the success of moving advance in some of these projects along, okay?

3766
05:20:40,100 --> 05:20:45,500
There's risk involved in allowing this money to just sit there, okay?

3767
05:20:46,120 --> 05:20:49,600
And perhaps, could be, the law could change.

3768
05:20:49,800 --> 05:20:53,820
It could be diverted in other ways to other projects, et cetera.

3769
05:20:53,820 --> 05:21:01,960
So, I'm saying, expand the language, but empower the staff to go do the work, and come back with recommendations to the board.

3770
05:21:04,000 --> 05:21:12,980
We change that to, I'm suggesting to recommendations, that's, yes, instead of final report.

3771
05:21:12,980 --> 05:21:20,320
Acceptance of the Orange County Tourist Development Tax Citizen Advisory Task for Recommendations

3772
05:21:20,320 --> 05:21:28,110
With the understanding that the staff will work with the controller to adjust timing of funding across fiscal years

3773
05:21:30,340 --> 05:21:36,400
for projects recommended with specific funding options.

3774
05:21:49,460 --> 05:21:57,400
Well, that, again, that's for the board to make that decision, staff will do the research and

3775
05:21:57,400 --> 05:22:01,580
then provide you with funding options for all of them, even the ones that weren't recommended?

3776
05:22:03,840 --> 05:22:04,460
You know,

3777
05:22:06,540 --> 05:22:12,580
if you want to change the recommendation of the task force, the task force is giving you

3778
05:22:12,580 --> 05:22:20,980
accommodations are what the priorities are. Some of these, and so what we're trying to do is stay

3779
05:22:20,980 --> 05:22:26,700
within that particular framework. Now, if you want other projects to come, certainly that's

3780
05:22:26,700 --> 05:22:32,660
within the Board of County Commission's, I think, prove you to change your air projects,

3781
05:22:32,840 --> 05:22:37,960
but staff needs to have done the work to tell you what that looks like. Okay, so then they would

3782
05:22:37,960 --> 05:22:39,100
value with those of a product.

3783
05:22:39,640 --> 05:22:44,580
If you say they reduce the funding, there would be additional capacity for which we can consider.

3784
05:22:44,740 --> 05:22:46,120
I'm trying to figure out what that past has.

3785
05:22:46,120 --> 05:22:46,780
That's correct.

3786
05:22:47,340 --> 05:22:57,800
They will look at the expansiveness of the contract, the projects based upon the dollars available

3787
05:22:58,920 --> 05:23:01,260
and the work that they've done, what does that mean?

3788
05:23:01,380 --> 05:23:07,940
Some of these, just for an argument, say, for example, Dr. Phillips may say,

3789
05:23:07,940 --> 05:23:15,300
that, you know, through the conversations with staff, that the ability for you to receive

3790
05:23:15,300 --> 05:23:23,520
$750,000,000,000,000 is not going to be recommended. It might be $500,000,000,000. What does

3791
05:23:23,520 --> 05:23:31,560
that mean to you? And they will have to adjust what that project looks like. But that is work that

3792
05:23:31,560 --> 05:23:38,960
is being done by at the staff level and then they bring it to the board, where the board

3793
05:23:41,440 --> 05:23:48,180
then has, I think, a better option to make some decisions, as opposed to doing the work

3794
05:23:48,180 --> 05:23:48,860
of the staff.

3795
05:23:49,160 --> 05:23:51,540
So then the staff will evaluate all projects.

3796
05:23:52,020 --> 05:23:57,940
If that's what you all want to direct, but you know, I don't know that they can evaluate

3797
05:23:57,940 --> 05:24:04,160
all projects, but when they sit and they do the fiscal analysis, all of these projects are not going

3798
05:24:04,160 --> 05:24:09,320
to be able to be done. I know they can't be done, but they can evaluate all of the projects

3799
05:24:09,320 --> 05:24:14,400
in the totality. But then that's almost like ignoring the work of the citizen.

3800
05:24:14,880 --> 05:24:18,980
It's not ignoring the work. Like let's say we advance the four projects that are reduced amount,

3801
05:24:19,120 --> 05:24:27,920
then there's additional capacity for us to consider other projects. Okay, we would let the

3802
05:24:29,540 --> 05:24:36,020
Is the board comfortable with the recommendations or the priorities that the task force

3803
05:24:36,020 --> 05:24:36,720
made?

3804
05:24:37,800 --> 05:24:43,880
If the board is not satisfied, you know, Commissioner Crab is brand new.

3805
05:24:44,240 --> 05:24:48,000
He hadn't set through the kind of deliberations that we've had.

3806
05:24:48,540 --> 05:24:50,540
But he's saying he's not comfortable.

3807
05:24:51,140 --> 05:24:52,300
Commissioner Wilson.

3808
05:24:53,460 --> 05:24:59,820
Commissionary Reveille is a note. Commissionary Gomez Cadero is a note.

3809
05:25:01,070 --> 05:25:11,510
Okay, commission. Simra is a yes. I'm a no. I want to, I want to make it all of them. So if

3810
05:25:15,190 --> 05:25:19,730
there's a path, commission, please explain to me, because I think you get where I'm trying to go, so.

3811
05:25:24,440 --> 05:25:32,800
At the very least, gather some consensus over what I believe are critical grant programs that

3812
05:25:32,800 --> 05:25:38,620
were very highly regarded, don't fall into some of the categories of, we still have questions, right?

3813
05:25:38,980 --> 05:25:46,280
Because they are essentially orange county programs that we have as much access to the information and data every day as possible.

3814
05:25:46,820 --> 05:25:53,200
Can we separate those and move ahead with having staff do what needs to be done?

3815
05:25:53,200 --> 05:26:01,220
With the recommendations for the funding for those grant opportunities and so that the project piece of this is a separate analysis

3816
05:26:02,340 --> 05:26:03,000
Yes

3817
05:26:04,060 --> 05:26:09,600
Okay, I'd like to make a motion to advance the recommendations on the other discussion

3818
05:26:10,240 --> 05:26:10,820
Okay

3819
05:26:11,500 --> 05:26:17,150
All right, so is that further modification of the request of action?

3820
05:26:18,280 --> 05:26:21,260
Well, once again the new guy here, but

3821
05:26:21,260 --> 05:26:32,280
So, and I miss part of your, your, your motion mayor, but make sure, I'm not discounting any of the work that those fine folks did.

3822
05:26:32,860 --> 05:26:35,120
I just happen to not agree with their recommendations.

3823
05:26:35,560 --> 05:26:40,300
I'm allowed to do that, and I just want to have further discussion about the other projects.

3824
05:26:40,900 --> 05:26:44,360
So, whatever that motion needs to look like, I just want, I'll accept their report.

3825
05:26:44,540 --> 05:26:48,140
They did hard, great hard work, and I'll gladly accept that report.

3826
05:26:48,140 --> 05:26:51,960
I just need to have the option to talk about other projects that they didn't recommend.

3827
05:26:52,580 --> 05:26:58,440
Does that include the grant program programs that have been part of Orange County's?

3828
05:26:58,540 --> 05:27:03,280
When you say they didn't recommend, you're talking about bringing in all the projects.

3829
05:27:03,500 --> 05:27:06,940
You're talking about who the ones that they would take.

3830
05:27:07,020 --> 05:27:08,740
Only the ones that they should take.

3831
05:27:09,060 --> 05:27:13,940
You're talking about the ones that were only the ones that were presented at their task force

3832
05:27:13,940 --> 05:27:14,220
meetings.

3833
05:27:15,080 --> 05:27:17,500
And I do, Commissioner Wilson, I do have some issues.

3834
05:27:17,500 --> 05:27:20,160
I think the funding length is a little long.

3835
05:27:20,260 --> 05:27:22,620
I'd like to have a discussion about that on the...

3836
05:27:22,620 --> 05:27:23,580
That can come back.

3837
05:27:23,800 --> 05:27:30,160
I want to do that as a separate, because it's really even the analysis that I believe the

3838
05:27:30,160 --> 05:27:33,720
Task Force had about the grant programs versus the projects.

3839
05:27:34,340 --> 05:27:34,840
It was hard.

3840
05:27:34,860 --> 05:27:39,180
Those are not Apple's Apple's things in understanding that we will be able to have Orange County

3841
05:27:39,180 --> 05:27:44,780
staff speak to some of those things almost, it'll be a faster, I think...

3842
05:27:44,780 --> 05:27:49,800
So far in the midst of this, could we do two things.

3843
05:27:50,300 --> 05:28:00,820
One, do a fiscal analysis of what the advisory task force recommended and then one

3844
05:28:00,820 --> 05:28:01,380
will

3845
05:28:03,490 --> 05:28:12,770
perhaps all of the projects that would be more expansive what that looks like.

3846
05:28:12,830 --> 05:28:16,470
Okay, John, listen to the capacity from the capacity of what we actually

3847
05:28:16,470 --> 05:28:24,370
So we did not include those that were not recommended, but just showing one of the slides

3848
05:28:25,110 --> 05:28:32,530
simply took all of the projects that were advanced by the Ivider Committee and it showed

3849
05:28:32,530 --> 05:28:36,530
that we did not have the capacity to fund all of those projects.

3850
05:28:36,590 --> 05:28:43,410
And this was before adding those that did not advance a TDT task force that did not advance.

3851
05:28:43,410 --> 05:28:54,750
Okay, so let me ask this and Commissioner Scott, what project did not advance that you want to consider?

3852
05:28:56,170 --> 05:29:00,030
Mayor, again it truly is not about any specific project.

3853
05:29:00,510 --> 05:29:07,470
I just think and I think there's consensus that the process overall was a little bit confusing, right?

3854
05:29:07,470 --> 05:29:14,870
And again, I don't want to say so you're not advocating to add a project that wasn't recommended.

3855
05:29:15,350 --> 05:29:20,210
No, I'm advocating to hear their, I don't want to hear them. I don't want to add it.

3856
05:29:20,530 --> 05:29:24,150
They may present something and we still move forward with the recommended projects.

3857
05:29:24,470 --> 05:29:27,550
But I feel given the significant changes that occurred to them.

3858
05:29:28,130 --> 05:29:29,530
I know what you are.

3859
05:29:30,350 --> 05:29:31,770
Commissioner the crowd.

3860
05:29:32,790 --> 05:29:33,310
What project?

3861
05:29:34,570 --> 05:29:36,810
I'm in the same boat as Commissioner, Commissioner Scott.

3862
05:29:36,810 --> 05:29:42,690
So I certainly, there's some day you don't agree with that.

3863
05:29:42,890 --> 05:29:45,510
I don't want to cut out the other projects.

3864
05:29:45,790 --> 05:29:46,710
I'm not bringing new projects.

3865
05:29:46,930 --> 05:29:48,850
They've already been presented to the task force.

3866
05:29:49,210 --> 05:29:53,070
I just want to have the opportunity to explore those and make

3867
05:29:53,070 --> 05:29:54,150
my own recommendations.

3868
05:29:56,750 --> 05:29:58,870
Mayor, if I may.

3869
05:29:58,870 --> 05:29:59,670
Let's go.

3870
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:17,100
That's me. Over here, thankfully, not up there. I just want to clarify one point, and that is, I think, one of the issues with either accepting the final report or the recommendations today is that that puts a period at the end of the task force.

3871
05:30:17,520 --> 05:30:25,180
These folks who have volunteered need to know that their work is done, and that's part of what accepting that recommendation today is doing.

3872
05:30:25,180 --> 05:30:30,940
so to the extent it's helpful to maybe bifurcate that and simply accept the report and then

3873
05:30:30,940 --> 05:30:36,980
this board as always has the ability to hear whatever they want to hear, whether it is the

3874
05:30:36,980 --> 05:30:43,660
12 projects, whether it's 20 projects, none. You have the ability to do that going forward and

3875
05:30:43,660 --> 05:30:48,280
we could certainly work with Administrator Brooks and staff and the Comptroller's office to do that.

3876
05:30:48,280 --> 05:30:48,680
Thank you.

3877
05:30:49,080 --> 05:30:50,360
Thank you.

3878
05:30:50,400 --> 05:30:51,280
What's he said?

3879
05:30:51,700 --> 05:30:51,740
OK.

3880
05:30:52,800 --> 05:30:53,060
Yes.

3881
05:30:53,280 --> 05:30:55,020
All right.

3882
05:30:56,040 --> 05:30:58,780
So in this case, the recommended action

3883
05:30:58,780 --> 05:31:00,380
would be the acceptance of the orange kind

3884
05:31:00,380 --> 05:31:01,620
of truce development text,

3885
05:31:01,700 --> 05:31:03,180
advisory task force, recommendations.

3886
05:31:04,380 --> 05:31:05,060
It's from Moosecraft.

3887
05:31:05,180 --> 05:31:05,880
Second Wilson.

3888
05:31:06,400 --> 05:31:07,020
All right.

3889
05:31:07,180 --> 05:31:12,580
All in favor, let it be known, I say I oppose no motion

3890
05:31:12,580 --> 05:31:14,000
passes, this is unanimous.

3891
05:31:14,380 --> 05:31:18,260
The second part of it is, I don't know where we are,

3892
05:31:18,260 --> 05:31:24,740
In terms of the direction to staff, what is it you want staff to do?

3893
05:31:25,180 --> 05:31:28,220
I'd want to hear, Whitney, you said the 12 and the 20.

3894
05:31:30,270 --> 05:31:31,050
There are.

3895
05:31:33,710 --> 05:31:36,950
What I'm trying to do is get to the point where we're giving staff some direction.

3896
05:31:39,180 --> 05:31:42,100
I would like to hear going to Rosanne, you're going to say something.

3897
05:31:42,280 --> 05:31:43,420
I want to cut you off, go ahead.

3898
05:31:43,780 --> 05:31:46,200
She's putting up the names of the recommended projects.

3899
05:31:47,480 --> 05:31:49,800
You're going to see the front, so you can see the list of 20.

3900
05:31:56,940 --> 05:31:58,340
I'm trying to get you the list of 20.

3901
05:32:19,500 --> 05:32:22,560
There we go.

3902
05:32:22,780 --> 05:32:24,600
There's the list of 20.

3903
05:32:28,300 --> 05:32:28,800
Okay.

3904
05:32:29,820 --> 05:32:33,980
So this is the applicant summary.

3905
05:32:36,280 --> 05:32:37,040
You know,

3906
05:32:45,790 --> 05:32:48,810
so which for you refer into?

3907
05:32:50,530 --> 05:32:51,050
Okay.

3908
05:32:52,190 --> 05:32:52,750
So,

3909
05:32:54,930 --> 05:32:59,410
down in the, if you can see this down in the pink, at least it looks like on my screen,

3910
05:32:59,670 --> 05:33:04,930
in Florida, in the museum, in the history, Orlando City Baseball Dream is all across

3911
05:33:04,930 --> 05:33:07,450
capital and the Orange County Public Schools.

3912
05:33:09,010 --> 05:33:19,450
Are we talking about excluding them from the list of what we may ask staff to review, because

3913
05:33:19,450 --> 05:33:24,140
they didn't meet, they didn't meet the criteria.

3914
05:33:27,010 --> 05:33:30,470
Well, whatever didn't meet, they really didn't,

3915
05:33:30,530 --> 05:33:33,210
Whitney is sticking to hate it because they don't even

3916
05:33:33,210 --> 05:33:37,030
exit, I mean, they don't have a ball club, they don't,

3917
05:33:37,610 --> 05:33:41,310
I mean, it's a number of things that they're lacking in,

3918
05:33:41,430 --> 05:33:43,270
so they don't really meet it.

3919
05:33:44,610 --> 05:33:48,750
So out of these 20, OK, at least 16,

3920
05:33:52,600 --> 05:33:54,180
I'm asking for,

3921
05:33:54,180 --> 05:34:01,520
I would like to be presented with all of the projects that meet the legal definition based on what needs analysis.

3922
05:34:02,520 --> 05:34:08,680
I would like preference, however that is given to the projects that were recommended by the committee.

3923
05:34:09,160 --> 05:34:14,860
I just want to have a complete understanding because you all, you changed while they were in in panel.

3924
05:34:15,060 --> 05:34:23,180
You changed some of the aspects of of the process and in that change how those folks presented their process.

3925
05:34:23,180 --> 05:34:39,760
Commissioner, you've gone over that. Okay, what is it you want? I want them all. I said it. Okay, the remain in 16. Yes, that's going to have to be scheduled separately anyway, so. Okay.

3926
05:34:39,760 --> 05:34:43,160
Commissioner, you're Commissioner, go ahead.

3927
05:34:49,590 --> 05:34:49,930
Okay.

3928
05:34:51,190 --> 05:34:54,990
Whitney, the eligibility thing, it's still important,

3929
05:34:55,010 --> 05:34:57,990
because if they're not, why are we having them?

3930
05:34:58,390 --> 05:34:59,970
Okay, because I remember here.

3931
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:05,960
We're going to bring you specifically on Camping World's Parking. And then I do worry about the

3932
05:35:05,960 --> 05:35:10,800
acoing. So if they're not eligible, we don't need to hear them. If they're not eligible for those funds.

3933
05:35:11,500 --> 05:35:18,220
And then the only question I had was citrus votes, sports, and go, they already get funding for

3934
05:35:18,220 --> 05:35:24,680
proposal projects. It's already part of the system. So this is the masking for just more money than for, you know,

3935
05:35:24,680 --> 05:35:29,760
I know that we, all the time, you guys know this on consent, they're going to go request WWE

3936
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:34,880
and there's 150,000 set aside if we get the contract and if they don't get it, we get the money back.

3937
05:35:35,120 --> 05:35:37,420
But it appeared by what I saw in the presentation.

3938
05:35:37,680 --> 05:35:43,200
They were just wanting more money to go big contracts, but it's already part of what they received.

3939
05:35:44,440 --> 05:35:50,640
So to clarify Commissioner, there is a priority in the tourist development plan for large events, large sporting events.

3940
05:35:50,640 --> 05:35:53,560
That is how they come through this board right now and get funding.

3941
05:35:53,800 --> 05:35:58,040
I think the request there was for a dedicated part of money so that they could act faster

3942
05:35:58,040 --> 05:35:59,760
rather than having to come through the board.

3943
05:35:59,860 --> 05:36:01,840
Couldn't that be an internal system that you all-

3944
05:36:01,840 --> 05:36:06,160
Well, that was more for, well, the Dow, it was also, it's more so for major events because

3945
05:36:06,160 --> 05:36:13,120
the major events and the presentation showed that those dollar amounts were fairly substantial

3946
05:36:13,780 --> 05:36:19,140
and quite frankly, the amount that is budgeted annually for the sports incentive committee

3947
05:36:19,140 --> 05:36:21,420
to not sustain those major events.

3948
05:36:22,120 --> 05:36:24,400
I know, but I know we've seen them do it,

3949
05:36:24,560 --> 05:36:26,060
so it's the maybe, but I mean,

3950
05:36:26,160 --> 05:36:28,260
when you look at actually being able to fund projects,

3951
05:36:28,680 --> 05:36:31,520
I look at other priorities and having more money set aside

3952
05:36:31,520 --> 05:36:34,240
to get, I was just telling you what that request was.

3953
05:36:34,640 --> 05:36:36,220
Because they get that funding all the time.

3954
05:36:36,480 --> 05:36:37,920
So are you, but when they're running out of the,

3955
05:36:37,960 --> 05:36:39,960
you know, what they're running out of the money?

3956
05:36:40,540 --> 05:36:40,680
Yeah.

3957
05:36:41,000 --> 05:36:43,260
I'm good with the legal analysis aspect.

3958
05:36:44,020 --> 05:36:44,180
Yeah.

3959
05:36:44,180 --> 05:36:44,720
That's not the thing.

3960
05:36:45,180 --> 05:36:46,580
Just don't want to present their request.

3961
05:36:48,660 --> 05:36:53,720
So I just wanted to follow up on that quickly and add something to the conversation whether this

3962
05:36:53,720 --> 05:36:54,820
is helpful or not.

3963
05:36:55,260 --> 05:36:59,500
Your first four items are all grant programs to of which already exist.

3964
05:37:00,280 --> 05:37:05,880
If the board is comfortable with those four, that might be an easy place to start because

3965
05:37:05,880 --> 05:37:10,140
some of those other projects in the list below certainly some of those recommendations from

3966
05:37:10,140 --> 05:37:15,120
the task force could be routed through those programs and that would cut down on the number

3967
05:37:15,120 --> 05:37:16,740
that might need to come before you.

3968
05:37:16,740 --> 05:37:18,200
Which ones I

3969
05:37:20,600 --> 05:37:25,240
need I need I need a I need a question is when I have an opportunity there

3970
05:37:25,240 --> 05:37:32,460
Yeah, because they'll try to submit in there. Yeah, Mike is all all right. Thank you sir. I just want to make sure that I

3971
05:37:34,180 --> 05:37:36,900
Mayer you charged a task force of citizens

3972
05:37:39,680 --> 05:37:44,940
When you you expanded that task force also to include more citizens, so thank you for doing that

3973
05:37:44,940 --> 05:37:54,300
What I'm getting concerned about is that we charge citizens to evaluate these projects, I think they did the best that they could and the time that was provided with the data and the resources that they got.

3974
05:37:54,980 --> 05:38:14,680
This is not round two where everybody gets to come up and talk to all of us about our preferences and readjust their presentation and come back up and present alternative presentations that look sound and emphasize different points than what was the point of the task force.

3975
05:38:14,680 --> 05:38:26,640
So I'm uncomfortable, like if we want, if you want to hear all of them, I mean, there are great videos through Orange TV and, you know, that can be watched.

3976
05:38:26,660 --> 05:38:39,980
But if you want to hear from them, then we should be making a request that that presentation coming before this board is identical to what the TTT Task Force was required to evaluate.

3977
05:38:39,980 --> 05:38:48,700
we can't have around two and revitalize, you know, I'm just really concerned because my

3978
05:38:48,700 --> 05:38:53,160
representatives took time off of work. They arranged to have kids picked up from school by

3979
05:38:53,160 --> 05:38:57,880
different, and every task force member has a story like that of the time and the resource

3980
05:38:57,880 --> 05:39:02,840
that they expanded to try to make the best decisions they could. So I'm becoming, now I'm getting

3981
05:39:02,840 --> 05:39:09,940
uncomfortable when I when I start thinking about this as another round when the TDT task force

3982
05:39:09,940 --> 05:39:16,900
was charged with the task, the process was by far not perfect and everybody will acknowledge that.

3983
05:39:17,740 --> 05:39:24,800
But I don't want to leapfrog over what taxpayers evaluating public money dollars for.

3984
05:39:24,820 --> 05:39:26,700
I don't want to diminish that, so.

3985
05:39:27,720 --> 05:39:28,160
All right.

3986
05:39:29,760 --> 05:39:36,060
Well, if you agree, Commissioner Scott, then we'll back this square one.

3987
05:39:36,300 --> 05:39:37,120
This is.

3988
05:39:38,280 --> 05:39:43,320
It's just, it's meaning like that align them to adjust your presentation, but we want to hear it.

3989
05:39:48,090 --> 05:39:49,770
I don't know if you can even do that.

3990
05:39:49,770 --> 05:39:50,910
How do you even do that?

3991
05:39:50,930 --> 05:39:51,990
You can go on review.

3992
05:39:52,230 --> 05:39:57,410
You can sit and review all of those presentations live.

3993
05:39:57,430 --> 05:39:59,970
That's on the way you're going to have it exact.

3994
05:40:01,060 --> 05:40:13,720
You can just, in your tab, you can go look at that. If that's what you want to do, go do that and then come prepare to, to, to, they can't answer my questions when I watch the video.

3995
05:40:14,160 --> 05:40:23,700
Well, but if you can ask questions, you can, you can ask them the questions, but they won't be present because it'll only be the people that were recommended.

3996
05:40:23,700 --> 05:40:32,550
well you can you can contact them you know that's what you want to do with your

3997
05:40:32,550 --> 05:40:39,650
time because you didn't sit through all those meetings you don't want to take what

3998
05:40:39,650 --> 05:40:46,270
these citizens have recommended and I understand you know there's politics involved

3999
05:40:46,270 --> 05:40:50,490
here we have people running for office and because they're running for office they

4000
05:40:51,490 --> 05:40:55,510
behaving in certain ways to be honest with you.

4001
05:40:55,830 --> 05:40:57,510
So, what is it you want to do?

4002
05:40:58,190 --> 05:40:59,210
May I don't agree with that?

4003
05:40:59,210 --> 05:41:01,390
Well, I'm not asking you to agree with it.

4004
05:41:01,390 --> 05:41:02,310
I'm just making a statement.

4005
05:41:02,690 --> 05:41:03,730
You're running for office.

4006
05:41:03,930 --> 05:41:04,350
Yeah.

4007
05:41:04,590 --> 05:41:06,170
That's a fact, right?

4008
05:41:06,950 --> 05:41:08,190
And you're doing a lot of this.

4009
05:41:08,190 --> 05:41:08,810
I mean, I changed you.

4010
05:41:09,110 --> 05:41:11,730
What we're trying to do is depolit...

4011
05:41:11,730 --> 05:41:14,610
The reason we did this was a depolitesty as a process.

4012
05:41:14,670 --> 05:41:17,810
To take politicians out and let the citizens make recommendations.

4013
05:41:17,810 --> 05:41:24,890
the citizens have done that. Now all of a sudden politicians want to say, well, I didn't like it.

4014
05:41:25,150 --> 05:41:30,410
Mayor, I guess what I'm saying is in this process and I think we all agree whether we're on the ballad or not.

4015
05:41:30,610 --> 05:41:34,750
The process was changed in the middle of the process. That's the confusing part, right? That's all.

4016
05:41:35,630 --> 05:41:43,830
It wasn't changed in the middle of the process. These folks fall out that precisely what they were asked to do.

4017
05:41:43,830 --> 05:41:45,250
Nothing was changed there.

4018
05:41:45,250 --> 05:41:51,550
What you're trying to do now is change it after the fact it was not changed while the process was going on.

4019
05:41:54,190 --> 05:42:00,330
Roseanne said that they made adjustments while they were in the process based on feedback in my wrong or something.

4020
05:42:00,330 --> 05:42:09,290
So can I clarify that for their presentations they were asked to touch on the three categories in the matrix,

4021
05:42:09,870 --> 05:42:15,570
which were tourism expansion, project soundness and anticipated return on investment.

4022
05:42:15,570 --> 05:42:26,190
So, yes, they were asked to present on all three of those, and that was covered in their presentations, and they were also provided with the matrix and advance.

4023
05:42:26,630 --> 05:42:29,630
So, we didn't change what we asked them to present.

4024
05:42:29,770 --> 05:42:32,430
They presented around those three topics.

4025
05:42:32,750 --> 05:42:40,250
It was just the task force chose to, when they were giving input to take this and form their decisions.

4026
05:42:40,250 --> 05:42:47,590
But to widen it so that they could when they felt like equalized smaller projects competing against very large ones

4027
05:42:47,590 --> 05:42:53,690
But all projects covered three these three topics and so the sentiment was based on decision of the task force

4028
05:42:53,690 --> 05:42:58,170
Not direction or guidance from the staff. Is that what you're saying? Correct. Staff did not

4029
05:42:58,670 --> 05:43:03,050
Did not tell them how to vote how to score how to do any of that?

4030
05:43:03,530 --> 05:43:05,370
They went through and made up their own opinions

4031
05:43:05,370 --> 05:43:10,450
we just compiled the information, and they're in the lives, the messiness of it is because

4032
05:43:10,450 --> 05:43:14,750
we were trying to take feedback from so many people and make changes on the fly.

4033
05:43:15,110 --> 05:43:19,430
Even at lunch breaks, they wanted to see information a different way.

4034
05:43:19,750 --> 05:43:20,370
That's innovation.

4035
05:43:20,890 --> 05:43:24,210
You know, it's a little bit messy and you're trying to do something in different involve

4036
05:43:24,210 --> 05:43:24,750
the people.

4037
05:43:25,150 --> 05:43:30,750
So that we did the best we could, but they did, the presenters did cover these topics

4038
05:43:30,750 --> 05:43:31,530
in the matrix.

4039
05:43:31,530 --> 05:43:37,790
Okay, Mayor, given that context and the way she presented an answer to the question, I'm good at what it as is.

4040
05:43:39,690 --> 05:43:39,830
Okay.

4041
05:43:42,890 --> 05:43:57,910
Given that that's just the balance of what we're directing staff to do, is to then look at what the committee, what the task force recommended, and

4042
05:44:00,860 --> 05:44:04,020
what I said earlier, bringing back.

4043
05:44:04,020 --> 05:44:12,060
You know, you know, we've been sitting in a long time now. Okay. Yeah. We could bring that for discussions.

4044
05:44:12,420 --> 05:44:17,820
Those scenarios. That's the race. And then the board can have what the task force is

4045
05:44:17,820 --> 05:44:26,000
wrecking over there. Some considerations that they spun with a board. Czos that would affect the model.

4046
05:44:26,260 --> 05:44:33,300
That is the, that's the where the majority of this board is at this point. Okay. And that's the, I miss, I missed it.

4047
05:44:33,300 --> 05:44:42,660
got lost? Can you say it one more time? I'm so sorry, I'm sorry. So this is where the

4048
05:44:42,660 --> 05:44:51,400
bifurcated part comes in, where the board is direct in the staff to work with the control

4049
05:44:51,400 --> 05:44:58,300
to make modifications of justice and timing of funding across fiscal years.

4050
05:44:59,320 --> 05:44:59,980
And bye-bye.

4051
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:04,360
Recommendations for specific project funding options.

4052
05:45:06,100 --> 05:45:13,040
Okay. Are we getting a financial analysis or fiscal analysis at any time within that scope of what you just described?

4053
05:45:13,580 --> 05:45:16,140
Yes, that's part of what the staff would do.

4054
05:45:16,620 --> 05:45:19,980
And they were bringing that back to the board and you make your decisions.

4055
05:45:20,560 --> 05:45:23,980
But only these projects would be considered.

4056
05:45:25,220 --> 05:45:26,320
Okay. All right.

4057
05:45:27,020 --> 05:45:32,440
If that is understood, I will entertain a motion.

4058
05:45:32,740 --> 05:45:33,740
So moved, Wilson?

4059
05:45:34,880 --> 05:45:36,560
Motion by Commissioner Wilson.

4060
05:45:36,840 --> 05:45:38,340
Second by Commissioner Scott.

4061
05:45:39,080 --> 05:45:41,480
All in favor, let it be known for saying aye.

4062
05:45:42,140 --> 05:45:42,460
Opposed?

4063
05:45:43,240 --> 05:45:43,260
No.

4064
05:45:43,580 --> 05:45:44,200
All right, the motion.

4065
05:45:44,200 --> 05:45:46,500
Mayor, I have just one other question.

4066
05:45:46,700 --> 05:45:50,140
Is there any appetite to move the first four or four word now

4067
05:45:50,140 --> 05:45:52,880
as Commissioner Wilson was referenced thing before without?

4068
05:45:53,280 --> 05:45:55,140
I, let's, let's just speak with the motion.

4069
05:45:55,140 --> 05:45:57,520
We have a motion of the second on the floor.

4070
05:45:58,920 --> 05:46:03,660
On the favor, I heard all eyes, I heard no nose,

4071
05:46:04,840 --> 05:46:08,140
or the motion passes, and it is unanimous.

4072
05:46:09,920 --> 05:46:17,180
Sorry, everybody, we're way behind, but because we really

4073
05:46:17,180 --> 05:46:24,540
haven't had a restroom break, any of that, how much time you

4074
05:46:25,980 --> 05:46:27,840
I'm going to stand there.

4075
05:46:28,220 --> 05:46:29,300
How much time you on me?

4076
05:46:29,720 --> 05:46:29,920
15 minutes.

4077
05:46:30,560 --> 05:46:30,660
15 minutes.

4078
05:46:31,100 --> 05:46:31,260
All right.

4079
05:46:31,660 --> 05:46:32,100
15.

4080
05:46:32,580 --> 05:46:33,240
Okay.

4081
05:46:34,080 --> 05:46:38,500
And, Mayor Tafin, half a birthday, half a birthday,

4082
05:46:38,680 --> 05:46:44,340
half a birthday, mayor Tafin, you got a birthday coming up.

4083
05:46:44,500 --> 05:46:45,140
I owe it dinner.

4084
05:46:45,740 --> 05:46:46,520
20 minutes.

4085
05:46:47,320 --> 05:46:47,960
Come back.

4086
05:46:50,000 --> 05:46:51,180
Three, ten.

4087
05:47:34,400 --> 05:47:34,540
All right.

4088
05:47:34,540 --> 05:47:35,380
Good afternoon everyone.

4089
05:47:35,380 --> 05:47:39,600
welcome back to the Orange County Board of County Commission meeting of August of 25,

4090
05:47:40,020 --> 05:47:47,680
2026. We're now in the afternoon portion of our meeting. We do apologize. We start in the afternoon

4091
05:47:47,680 --> 05:47:57,100
session late, but the morning session ran quite long. We did not have breaks, but here we are.

4092
05:47:57,520 --> 05:48:03,720
And so this afternoon we're going to begin with Lake and O'Hara, who is going to come forward

4093
05:48:03,720 --> 05:48:11,380
from a plan and division to present the August 6th, 2026 Board of Zoning Adjustment recommendations

4094
05:48:11,380 --> 05:48:13,360
and with that, Miss O'Hara, you have recognized.

4095
05:48:13,820 --> 05:48:18,980
Yes, get afternoon, Mayor and commissioners on August 6th, 2026. The Board of Zoning Adjustment

4096
05:48:18,980 --> 05:48:25,000
heard nine cases. Five cases were recommended for approval. One case received a split recommendation

4097
05:48:25,000 --> 05:48:30,580
for approval and denial. One case was withdrawn by the applicant at the hearing and two

4098
05:48:30,580 --> 05:48:37,180
cases were continued. The BZA appeal deadline was on Friday, August 21st, 2026, and no appeals were received.

4099
05:48:37,860 --> 05:48:44,340
It is my understanding that Commissioner Gomez Quadero would like to pull case VA 2608072,

4100
05:48:44,400 --> 05:48:51,620
J. Gooding, for a board called hearing, and Commissioner Crab would like to pull case VA 2608065,

4101
05:48:51,900 --> 05:48:55,760
Catherine Contana for a board called hearing. The zoning division will be requesting that these

4102
05:48:55,760 --> 05:48:57,580
is be scheduled for separate public hearings.

4103
05:48:58,320 --> 05:49:04,940
So with the exception of cases VA-2608-072 and VA-2608-065,

4104
05:49:05,000 --> 05:49:12,640
which were pulled, and cases VA-2606051 and CSE-2604-012,

4105
05:49:12,720 --> 05:49:15,860
which were continued, we requested the BCC accepted BCA

4106
05:49:15,860 --> 05:49:17,280
recommended action and findings.

4107
05:49:20,480 --> 05:49:23,960
With that, in a Tane Emotion Commission of Uribe,

4108
05:49:25,140 --> 05:49:29,160
It's making the motion for approval, second by Commissioner Gomez for Dero.

4109
05:49:29,780 --> 05:49:36,380
All in favor, let it be known by saying aye, opposed no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

4110
05:49:36,740 --> 05:49:37,700
Thank you so much.

4111
05:49:38,020 --> 05:49:43,700
We're going to move forward to item A1, a shoreline alteration and dredging fuel this afternoon.

4112
05:49:44,240 --> 05:49:48,460
A1, we're open to public hearing on this item, a system whole environment and programs

4113
05:49:48,460 --> 05:49:51,420
and administrators are going to frame that this item in.

4114
05:49:51,420 --> 05:49:53,140
that and I'm just to hold you recognize.

4115
05:49:54,660 --> 05:49:57,760
Thank you and good afternoon Mayor and commissioners.

4116
05:49:58,120 --> 05:49:59,960
Today at the pleasure to present a short.

4117
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:05,980
Our line alteration judge in Phil permit request for the St. John's River Water Management District, to authorize hydraulic

4118
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dredging within Lake Apapaca, including near the Newton Park boat ramp and winter garden, and associated restoration activities within the Lake

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Park and North Shore. This permit number is SADF 260030. Here's a location map. The project consists of three parcels, and they are located both in district

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one and in district two, the addresses are south-fineen road and 34, 51, less road.

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Here's a new aerial photo of the subject properties outlined in yellow.

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And here's some photos of the existing conditions.

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The photo on the left is at the Newton Park boat rampant winner garden, along the southern shoreline of the Lake Apapaca.

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And the photo on the right is of the Lake Apapaca North Shore property.

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So just some background for you about Lake Apapa Restoration, since the late 80s, state legislation

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is directed the St. John's River Water Management District to restore Lake Apapa, the

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fishable and swimble water quality. The district acquired former floodplain Muck Farms,

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which is now known as the Lake Apapa North Shore lands area as an early step. Restoration

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05:51:15,100 --> 05:51:20,560
actions have included water level management, pesticide remediation, wetland flowy construction,

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and Canal Mouse judging in aquatic vegetation restoration.

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05:51:24,460 --> 05:51:26,720
The long-term goals include phosphorus reduction,

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wetland habitat management, flood storage,

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and expanded recreational opportunities.

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There are some key constraints remaining,

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including phosphorus, rich organic soils,

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lake phosphorus, and dissolved in particulate forms,

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05:51:39,260 --> 05:51:41,400
soil subsidence, and residual pesticides.

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The current request will build on prior BCC approved

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05:51:44,860 --> 05:51:46,920
like a popular restoration activities.

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A little bit more background specific to the request today, and 2019, the District Submitted

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SADF Permanent Application, proposing to dredge approximately 12,825 acres of un-consolidated

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flocculent sediment, or UCF from Lake Apaca.

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05:52:06,700 --> 05:52:13,780
That permit requested to pump that judge material onto approximately 9,630 acres of wetlands

4144
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in the lands area on the North Shore, also to plant approximately 600 acres of the

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the Torleson and Lake Apopka with native vegetation, and a 20-year permit time frame that provides

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conceptual approval by the sport for the activities listed above, and a mechanism that allowed

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the environmental protection officer to issue construction permits as the activities were phased over time.

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So, on December 17th of 2019, the Board approved that permit and on January 13th of 2020,

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EPD issued that permit, SADF-1900 to, with an expiration date of January 13th, 2040.

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05:52:53,460 --> 05:53:02,300
The current request, March 11th of this year, EPD received an application for an SADF for a similar project as approved under the conceptual.

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05:53:03,220 --> 05:53:08,760
The current request includes judging 58.2 acres of the lake adjacent to Newton Park and

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Winter Garden.

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58 acres of that was already approved in the conceptual, but the reason this is back

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before you today is because 8.2 additional acres of proposed judging is intended to maximize

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removal of the nutrient rich sediments and improve navigability to the Newton Park boat ramp.

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The applicant proposes the pump, the judge material, to that placement area along the

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05:53:32,080 --> 05:53:37,760
North Shore, in the lands that judge material would be distributed to provide cover

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05:53:37,760 --> 05:53:42,940
of historic pesticide-contaminated areas on the North Shore and to replace material

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05:53:42,940 --> 05:53:46,600
that was previously lost due to oxidation and soil subsidence.

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05:53:47,300 --> 05:53:52,320
The proposed sediment placement, however, will not increase elevations to the extent to

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05:53:52,320 --> 05:53:58,540
any wetlands into up-and-up ecosystems. So in red there is a pipeline that will

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05:53:58,540 --> 05:54:05,360
transfer the judgment to the North Shore. The design of the proposed

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05:54:05,360 --> 05:54:09,980
judging area was a line to reduce impacts to submerged aquatic vegetation to the

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greatest extent practicable, but it is estimated that an impact of 15.6 acres of

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05:54:15,720 --> 05:54:18,600
submerged vegetation will occur as a result of the judging.

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To mitigate the loss of

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the applicant is proposing to replant 16 acres of Lake Opapka with some merged aquatic vegetation

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adjacent to the judging areas. So the judging area is shown in the green outline on the

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left and the red outline on the right and the proposed planting area is that cross hatch rectangle

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in the graphic on the right.

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So here's the review criteria. They're found in chapter 15 article six

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section 15 to 18E and the applicant has provided responses to each of these items.

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I won't go into all of them here.

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These are the same criteria that are...

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Use for every SADF. Most commonly, you're reviewing these for our C-wall approvals. This is also apply. So eight total criteria.

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Considerations, the project goes reviewed in accordance with chapter 15, Article 6, and the review criteria and conditions of issue is there.

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Notification of the public hearing was sent to property owners within 500 feet of the project site, and we received no objections.

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Do the scope of this project staff is recommending a condition that allows the work to be done within five years from the date of instruments, instead of a typical one year that code provides.

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Our finding is EPD is evaluated the proposed SAD of permit application and required documents as made a finding that the request is consistent with orange County code, chapter 15 article six.

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And our action requested is acceptance of the findings and recommendation of the EPD staff and approval of Shoreline Alteration Judgent Phil permit,

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05:55:57,860 --> 05:56:05,740
SADF 260300, but the St. John's River Water Management District, subject to the conditions listed in the staff report.

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This is in District 1 and 2, and that concludes my presentation. Thank you.

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All right, thanks, sir. Is the applicant on this item, so would you like to come forward and make any comments?

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We invite you to the mic.

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Joe Dunn, 525 Lake Co. Point Circle, Winter Garden.

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05:56:32,940 --> 05:56:39,460
Friends of Lake Apopka was founded in 1991 by local biologist Jim Thomas to advocate for the continued

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05:56:39,460 --> 05:56:41,920
restoration of Florida's fourth largest lake.

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05:56:42,500 --> 05:56:52,160
We wholeheartedly support the district's effort to dredge the area on the shoreline of Newton Park,

4189
05:56:52,980 --> 05:56:57,600
because it will reduce turbidity and increase ecotourism.

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05:56:58,480 --> 05:57:02,660
And for the record, no work will be done on the boat ramp.

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05:57:03,060 --> 05:57:08,640
During the dredging, that will be done subsequent to the project using FWC money.

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05:57:08,820 --> 05:57:09,780
Thank you so much.

4193
05:57:10,480 --> 05:57:11,660
All right, thank you, Mr. Dhan.

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05:57:12,180 --> 05:57:15,120
I don't know if I've ever seen you and you didn't have all my shirt,

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05:57:15,240 --> 05:57:16,400
and it looks like that.

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05:57:17,260 --> 05:57:19,160
So you've got to close it, full of them.

4197
05:57:19,160 --> 05:57:26,500
All right, do we have any members of the public president who should be heard on this item?

4198
05:57:33,320 --> 05:57:34,500
We have no speakers for this item, Mayor.

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05:57:34,840 --> 05:57:38,880
All right, with that, then we'll close the public hearing portion.

4200
05:57:39,760 --> 05:57:43,820
This area sits in both kind of commission districts in one and two,

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05:57:43,940 --> 05:57:46,800
so I entertain a motion from Commission of Crayon.

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05:57:50,240 --> 05:57:54,080
I'll approve it as well, so I so moved Mr. Mayor.

4203
05:57:54,080 --> 05:58:04,440
All right, we have a motion and a second all in favor of letting me know I'm saying I oppose no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

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05:58:04,680 --> 05:58:06,980
We're then now we'll move to the next item.

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05:58:07,160 --> 05:58:10,640
We'll open public hearings B2 and C3 together.

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05:58:11,620 --> 05:58:14,720
They will require two separate motions, however,

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05:58:15,480 --> 05:58:21,520
and with that we'll open B2 public

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hearing.

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This next one is public hearing for a similar private boat ramp application and the companion conservation area impact permit numbers BR 2312001 and CAI 2406042 and the applicant is the homeowner's association of Avalon Cove Incorporated and they desire to construct a boat ramp for the subdivision on

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Lake Hickry Nut Lake, excuse me.

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Here's a location map of the proposed boat ramp

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shown in red on the map there.

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The dress is 1964 Morgana Court in Wintergarten, Florida,

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and that tracked his own by the H away.

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And here's an aerial photo of the property, which

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05:59:14,030 --> 05:59:16,090
is outlined in blue for you.

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05:59:16,610 --> 05:59:19,290
The boat ramp is proposed at that location where

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the yellow star is on the southern shoreline

4219
05:59:23,550 --> 05:59:26,290
of that peninsula that sticks out into the lake.

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And then here's an aerial map of the entirety of Hickory

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05:59:32,150 --> 05:59:35,530
Nut Lake showing the location of the Avalon Cove

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05:59:35,530 --> 05:59:38,610
subdivision in the boat ramp is the Yellow Star

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05:59:38,610 --> 05:59:40,850
and the bottom right portion of the map.

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05:59:42,130 --> 05:59:46,550
They're also shown here to existing boat ramps on the lake.

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05:59:46,730 --> 05:59:49,270
The only other two existing, they're the blue dots

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05:59:49,270 --> 05:59:53,050
in the upper left corner, and they are both private boat ramps.

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05:59:53,050 --> 05:59:59,970
And then lastly, you can see the other subdivisions involved on the lake waterly takes the majority of it.

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06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:06,900
The rest of the real estate along the lake and then Hickory Lake estates up in the northwest corner is also on the lake.

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06:00:08,480 --> 06:00:15,720
Here's some photos of the proposed boat ramp site. The photo on the left is looking approximately southwest out of the lake.

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And the photo on the right is looking west towards the approximate location where the boat ramp will begin, and there's a small recreational lot there.

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06:00:26,500 --> 06:00:35,980
Some background on this one, October 4, 2016, the land use plan, number LUP-1507193 was approved.

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06:00:36,720 --> 06:00:43,420
The plan notes indicated there would be a community boat ramp, December 13, 2016, the PSP,

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06:00:43,580 --> 06:00:49,800
number PSP-1507194 was approved, it depicted a boat ramp, although it was on the northern

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06:00:49,800 --> 06:00:56,120
side of the tracks, and then in 2017 the South Florida Water Management District and the U.S. Army

4235
06:00:56,120 --> 06:01:01,520
of Corps of Engineers both issued permits authorizing a boat ramp. Both of those permits

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06:01:01,520 --> 06:01:08,520
did expire however in 2022 prior to any construction being done. October 11, 2019 the subject

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06:01:08,520 --> 06:01:15,660
parcel was recorded on the platform as track C and it was recorded as an open space park and boat

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06:01:16,520 --> 06:01:21,000
and all of these things are requirements in the boat ramp code to be completed.

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06:01:22,880 --> 06:01:30,280
June 24, 2020, the development plan, DP-1806207 was updated by a CDR,

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06:01:30,380 --> 06:01:36,840
number CDR 203094 to add the semi-private boat ramp to the existing track C and a similar location

4241
06:01:36,840 --> 06:01:39,380
and configuration to the current proposed ramp.

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06:01:39,380 --> 06:01:54,200
And then June 24 at same day, the CDR 2005144 was approved to update the PSP to show the same boat ramp location and configuration as in CDR 200094.

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06:01:55,540 --> 06:02:02,380
There was a previous boat ramp permit application, BR-18003, and an associated conservation area.

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06:02:02,380 --> 06:02:08,420
from an application, those are both reviewed by EPD on the subject property, but both those

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06:02:08,420 --> 06:02:12,840
applications were subsequently withdrawn on September 16th of 2020.

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06:02:14,500 --> 06:02:18,900
So moving into the current request, the proposed semi-private boat ramp would be 12 feet

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06:02:18,900 --> 06:02:24,260
wide and 80 feet long, it will also have a four foot wide by 80 foot long companion dock,

4248
06:02:24,300 --> 06:02:26,980
which is a requirement in the boat ramp code.

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06:02:27,760 --> 06:02:31,680
Here is the site plan and a profile plan of the ramp.

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06:02:32,280 --> 06:02:36,720
The ramp in the graphic on the left is shown in blue.

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06:02:37,540 --> 06:02:40,040
And immediately adjacent to that is a green line.

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06:02:40,140 --> 06:02:42,660
And that will be the companion boat dock.

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06:02:45,020 --> 06:02:46,920
They are also asking for a variance.

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06:02:48,000 --> 06:02:49,780
So it's a side set back issue.

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06:02:50,440 --> 06:02:53,700
The code says no portion of any boat ramp or any type of boat ramp.

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06:02:53,700 --> 06:02:57,260
Facility should be closer than 25 feet from the projected property lines.

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06:02:57,260 --> 06:03:04,040
of a button shoreline owners, the applicant is requesting a variance to build the ramp with a 20.23

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06:03:04,040 --> 06:03:09,160
foot set back from the Southern projected property line. The applicant is provided a sign letter

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06:03:09,160 --> 06:03:15,200
support for the requested variance from the affected adjacent property owner indicating they

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06:03:15,200 --> 06:03:22,820
have no objections to the request. Here are a list of the review criteria. It's letters A

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06:03:22,820 --> 06:03:29,040
through O on these next few slides, and I won't read all these for you, but these are

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06:03:29,040 --> 06:03:34,200
the criteria by which the boat ramp is considered and it covers various topics like

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06:03:34,200 --> 06:03:40,620
the number of existing ramps on the lake, the number of additional users to the lake,

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06:03:40,720 --> 06:03:47,080
any noise impacts, any impacts to fish wildlife, all those kinds of things that you would

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06:03:47,080 --> 06:03:49,980
aspects, an environmental review to include.

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06:03:51,900 --> 06:03:58,000
And moving into the conservation area impact permit, they're proposing 0.163 acre of direct

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06:03:58,000 --> 06:04:03,880
impacts, and 0.145 acre of secondary impacts to the lake itself in order to construct

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06:04:03,880 --> 06:04:09,500
the semi-private boat ramp, and that would include the concrete for the ramp itself in any

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06:04:09,500 --> 06:04:13,220
judging and filling that they need to do to get the bottom contours right.

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06:04:13,220 --> 06:04:20,560
And then they're also proposing 0.0042 acre of direct impacts to the shoreline wetland.

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06:04:21,180 --> 06:04:27,560
So just above the normal high, there's a very narrow strip of wetland, and they're needing to impact that as well.

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06:04:28,800 --> 06:04:33,620
The direct impacts include permanent alteration to the surface water, including the dredging and filling.

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06:04:33,620 --> 06:04:41,660
As mitigation, the applicant has reserved and will purchase 0.15 freshwater herbaceous

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06:04:41,660 --> 06:04:47,440
uniform mitigation assessment method credit from the Lakex mitigation bank in Asiola County.

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06:04:49,180 --> 06:04:55,140
And here is the Conservation Area Impact Permit exhibit.

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06:04:56,040 --> 06:04:59,960
And again, the ramp is shown in blue and the dock is shining.

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06:05:00,880 --> 06:05:07,980
The direct impacts are kind of a light gray shading and then the secondary impacts are shown in that orange color.

4278
06:05:10,470 --> 06:05:18,510
The review criteria for the wetland code. This project came in before the new code went into effect.

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06:05:19,030 --> 06:05:23,850
And so it's being reviewed under the old wetland code that was adopted in 1987.

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06:05:23,850 --> 06:05:30,310
And so the applicable criteria, the first one in Section 153625,

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06:05:31,550 --> 06:05:34,850
where wetland service, significant and productive environmental function,

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06:05:35,370 --> 06:05:39,290
the public health safety and welfare require that any alteration or development

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06:05:39,290 --> 06:05:42,930
affecting such lands should be so designed and regulated,

4284
06:05:43,230 --> 06:05:46,830
so as to minimize or eliminate any impact upon the beneficial environmental

4285
06:05:46,830 --> 06:05:49,990
productivity of such lands consistent with development.

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06:05:49,990 --> 06:05:57,110
right, so this is our avoidance immunization criterion. And then the next one in 153963A,

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06:05:57,970 --> 06:06:02,570
it says the removal alteration or encroachment within a class 1 conservation area,

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06:06:02,870 --> 06:06:07,550
shall only be allowed in cases where no other feasible or practical alternatives exist

4289
06:06:07,550 --> 06:06:12,850
that will permit a reasonable use of the land or where there is an overriding public benefit.

4290
06:06:15,390 --> 06:06:19,790
And so staff has determined that the applicant has demonstrated the proposed site plan

4291
06:06:19,790 --> 06:06:24,330
allows for reasonable use of the land, and that there are no other feasible or practical

4292
06:06:24,330 --> 06:06:29,390
alternatives available to further minimize or eliminate impacts to class 1 wetlands.

4293
06:06:30,430 --> 06:06:34,910
Staff's determined that the mitigation is appropriate and sufficient to offset the adverse impacts

4294
06:06:34,910 --> 06:06:39,530
that will occur as a result of the project, and so staff is determined the request meets the

4295
06:06:39,530 --> 06:06:40,750
criteria for approval.

4296
06:06:43,130 --> 06:06:48,250
Moving on to stakeholder engagements in March 12th of this year,

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06:06:48,250 --> 06:06:51,170
the applicant held a community meeting for the proposed ramp.

4298
06:06:51,990 --> 06:06:58,190
It was well-attended, some topics that were brought up by the community were concerns about

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06:06:58,190 --> 06:07:03,450
access to the ramp and security people from the public that weren't supposed to be there

4300
06:07:03,450 --> 06:07:04,990
coming in and using the ramp.

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06:07:05,310 --> 06:07:11,330
Environmental concerns, including nuisance exotic vegetation, erosion, and water quality,

4302
06:07:12,130 --> 06:07:18,010
number of additional voters, a precedent for other developments to obtain approval for

4303
06:07:18,010 --> 06:07:24,750
community ramp, so those are kind of all of the objection ideas, and then these last ones

4304
06:07:24,750 --> 06:07:30,830
are the supporters, the Avalon Cove Resonance Expectations to have access to a boat ramp.

4305
06:07:31,710 --> 06:07:36,550
The residents' property value and perceived increase if there were a ramp, and then the

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06:07:36,550 --> 06:07:41,250
residents' desire to be able to remove their boats from the lake from maintenance or during

4307
06:07:41,250 --> 06:07:43,330
hurricanes and other major storms.

4308
06:07:44,730 --> 06:07:53,950
EPD is received, I think we're up to 100 and five responses as of just before this hearing.

4309
06:07:54,450 --> 06:07:58,650
And this is a map showing those in favor are in green.

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06:07:59,450 --> 06:08:04,650
And it's mostly confined to the avalanche of subdivision itself.

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And then those that are opposed are shown in red.

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06:08:08,250 --> 06:08:15,370
And those numbers are 30 in favor and 75 opposed, like I said, I think there's a couple that have just come in.

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06:08:17,370 --> 06:08:24,310
Some considerations for you, pursuant to county coach under 15 articles, 10 and 15 staff is evaluated.

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06:08:24,310 --> 06:08:27,390
The permit applications and required documentation therein.

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06:08:27,970 --> 06:08:31,630
The public was notified everyone on the lake was noticed.

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06:08:31,630 --> 06:08:40,450
and some in the interior of Avalon Cove as well, in accordance with Article 15, Section 15, 605, D2,

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06:08:41,010 --> 06:08:47,530
as mitigation for the impacts the applicants proposed to purchase .15 UMam mitigation credit from Lake Ex mitigation Bank.

4318
06:08:48,050 --> 06:08:55,530
And the applicant is proposing a water quality monitoring plan to ensure construction does not negatively affect Hickory Nut Lake.

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06:08:56,670 --> 06:08:59,190
And so our findings are pursuant to county code,

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06:08:59,390 --> 06:09:02,370
chapter 15, article 10, EPD is evaluated,

4321
06:09:02,790 --> 06:09:05,570
the proposed CAI permit application and required

4322
06:09:05,570 --> 06:09:07,550
documents and is made of finding that the request

4323
06:09:07,550 --> 06:09:09,570
is consistent with article 10.

4324
06:09:09,890 --> 06:09:12,910
And pursuant to county code, chapter 15, article 15,

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06:09:13,310 --> 06:09:15,510
EPD is evaluated, proposed in my private boat

4326
06:09:15,510 --> 06:09:18,330
ramp facility permit application and required

4327
06:09:18,330 --> 06:09:20,310
documents and is made of finding that the request

4328
06:09:20,310 --> 06:09:22,190
is consistent with article 15.

4329
06:09:22,190 --> 06:09:27,030
And so are two actions requested for you the C.A.I. is first,

4330
06:09:27,290 --> 06:09:31,790
acceptance of the findings and recommendation of approval by the EPD staff and approval of the

4331
06:09:31,790 --> 06:09:34,190
Avalon Cove Conservation Area Impact Permit.

4332
06:09:34,670 --> 06:09:40,010
C.A.I. 2406042 for the Homeowners Association of Avalon Cove Inc.

4333
06:09:40,390 --> 06:09:42,490
Subject to the conditions listed in the staff report.

4334
06:09:43,290 --> 06:09:49,210
And acceptance of the findings and recommendation of approval by the EPD staff and approval of the Avalon Cove

4335
06:09:49,210 --> 06:09:50,730
in my private boat ramp permit.

4336
06:09:51,110 --> 06:09:56,050
BR-2320-01 for the Homer's Association of AvalanCoving

4337
06:09:56,050 --> 06:09:58,630
subject to the conditions listed in the staff report.

4338
06:09:59,130 --> 06:09:59,910
This is in district.

4339
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:02,440
One, and that concludes my presentation. Thank you.

4340
06:10:07,240 --> 06:10:08,040
All right.

4341
06:10:08,440 --> 06:10:10,540
With that, is the applicant on this item present?

4342
06:10:10,920 --> 06:10:13,120
So, would you like to come forward and make any comments?

4343
06:10:13,340 --> 06:10:14,500
May I light you to the microphone?

4344
06:10:16,750 --> 06:10:17,230
Mayor,

4345
06:10:20,030 --> 06:10:20,550
procedural clarification.

4346
06:10:21,370 --> 06:10:22,230
Who that sounds weird?

4347
06:10:23,150 --> 06:10:28,730
There's about seven or eight people who have identified themselves as the applicant on this application.

4348
06:10:29,430 --> 06:10:34,350
And so, consistent with your board rules, anyone who is the applicant should be in that 15 minutes.

4349
06:10:34,350 --> 06:10:40,690
So I don't know if people may be erroneously identified themselves as the applicant or maybe the applicant himself can clarify

4350
06:10:40,690 --> 06:10:47,190
But in order for Nick to keep the time appropriately we would need every everyone who is a member of the applicant

4351
06:10:48,030 --> 06:10:54,810
To appear in the 15 minutes. I don't I don't know who it may be just when we scanned in this morning here

4352
06:10:54,810 --> 06:10:56,850
I scanned in excited enough. I had to and

4353
06:10:56,850 --> 06:11:02,010
I'll be just our engineer and that did the work on it and our environmental consultant.

4354
06:11:02,370 --> 06:11:03,590
Did you tell us their names?

4355
06:11:03,910 --> 06:11:05,830
Sure, it's a shot.

4356
06:11:06,110 --> 06:11:07,830
Let me stand up and then build Griffin.

4357
06:11:09,350 --> 06:11:09,670
Okay.

4358
06:11:10,430 --> 06:11:13,850
You all are part of the applicant team.

4359
06:11:14,870 --> 06:11:15,850
I'm the engineer of record.

4360
06:11:16,270 --> 06:11:16,350
Yes, sir.

4361
06:11:18,530 --> 06:11:21,210
So we're going to say you're the applicant.

4362
06:11:21,410 --> 06:11:23,770
You're going to have a total of 15 minutes.

4363
06:11:26,150 --> 06:11:28,390
I'm the H.O.A. President.

4364
06:11:28,990 --> 06:11:29,390
I'm the H.O.A. President.

4365
06:11:29,970 --> 06:11:31,410
I'd say I'd probably applicant.

4366
06:11:33,490 --> 06:11:35,510
So I won't take that much of any time anyway.

4367
06:11:35,830 --> 06:11:36,110
Okay.

4368
06:11:37,250 --> 06:11:37,590
Is that okay?

4369
06:11:38,170 --> 06:11:38,390
Yes.

4370
06:11:38,930 --> 06:11:39,050
Okay.

4371
06:11:39,430 --> 06:11:39,450
All right.

4372
06:11:39,570 --> 06:11:40,290
Good afternoon, Mayor.

4373
06:11:40,490 --> 06:11:40,930
Commissioners.

4374
06:11:41,150 --> 06:11:42,650
My name's Brian Chussis.

4375
06:11:43,030 --> 06:11:45,650
On the President of the Homeowner Association of Avalon Cove.

4376
06:11:46,110 --> 06:11:48,730
Thank you for giving me a few minutes to speak on R.B.F.

4377
06:11:49,890 --> 06:11:52,190
Also, I wanted to thank the Orange County E.P.D.

4378
06:11:52,190 --> 06:11:56,590
that's there for the time, they've spent reviewing this application and working through all

4379
06:11:56,590 --> 06:11:58,470
the questions and concerns that have been raised.

4380
06:11:59,370 --> 06:12:05,230
Before discussing ramp itself, I think it's important to explain who Abelon Cova is and how

4381
06:12:05,230 --> 06:12:06,290
we got here.

4382
06:12:07,250 --> 06:12:11,710
Abelon Cova is a small community, just 49 homes located directly on Hickory Nut Lake.

4383
06:12:12,870 --> 06:12:18,030
26 of the 49 homes are lakefront homes, and the other 23 are, or you can sit in interior.

4384
06:12:18,730 --> 06:12:25,710
So, we're not an outside community seeking access to a lake with which we have no connection.

4385
06:12:26,630 --> 06:12:29,690
More than half of our community or lives directly on the lake.

4386
06:12:29,850 --> 06:12:35,610
We swim in it, we boat on it, we look at it from our houses every day, and we care deeply about itself in its future.

4387
06:12:37,030 --> 06:12:42,810
It also important to understand that the boat ramp was not an idea recently created by our HOA board.

4388
06:12:43,870 --> 06:12:48,770
A community boat ramp was contemplated as part of the original development of Avalon Cove.

4389
06:12:49,870 --> 06:12:57,230
The developer moved that project forward, spent money on engineering and permitting, it took substantial steps towards constructing it.

4390
06:12:57,650 --> 06:13:01,490
The prior permit application was ultimately withdrawn before the ramp was constructed.

4391
06:13:03,030 --> 06:13:09,030
From the residents perspective, we purchased homes in the community where the humanity had been planned and actively pursued.

4392
06:13:09,030 --> 06:13:14,710
The development sold quickly, the developer finished building the homes, and then left the community.

4393
06:13:15,710 --> 06:13:18,730
And the residents were ultimately left within unfinished project.

4394
06:13:19,670 --> 06:13:21,030
The developer left, we didn't.

4395
06:13:21,690 --> 06:13:26,150
We live here, and today the homeowners are willing to complete the process properly.

4396
06:13:26,910 --> 06:13:30,950
Pay the engineering and construction for ourselves, pay it for, you know, by ourselves,

4397
06:13:31,190 --> 06:13:34,630
comply with the county's permitting and environmental requirements.

4398
06:13:35,130 --> 06:13:41,550
maintain the facility and short of the facility and force the tools and live with the consequences of how it's operated.

4399
06:13:42,610 --> 06:13:47,590
In fact, when our community was asked to approve a special assessment to fund the engineering and permitting necessary

4400
06:13:47,590 --> 06:13:52,050
to pursue the project more than 80% of our community's support in moving forward.

4401
06:13:53,170 --> 06:13:59,690
I want to put the issue of voting at the perspective we are not asking our county to introduce voting to Hickory, not Lake.

4402
06:13:59,690 --> 06:14:08,590
voting already exists here and as for many years there are numerous docks and boat lifts around the lake many of which have gone through orange counties permitting process

4403
06:14:08,590 --> 06:14:14,530
Even the opposition submitted to the county acknowledges substantial number of existing docks boats

4404
06:14:15,090 --> 06:14:18,430
and personal watercraf already on-hickering nut lake

4405
06:14:18,430 --> 06:14:23,350
So the question before you isn't whether boats are going to exist on hickering nut lake they already do

4406
06:14:23,350 --> 06:14:29,470
The question is whether a small established lake community that owns property directly on the lake can construct one

4407
06:14:29,470 --> 06:14:35,570
controlled, semi-private means of safely putting watercraft into and removing watercraft from the lake.

4408
06:14:37,590 --> 06:14:41,570
And that access has practical purposes beyond simple recreational voting.

4409
06:14:42,210 --> 06:14:44,310
Boats need to be removed for maintenance and repairs.

4410
06:14:44,890 --> 06:14:48,170
They may need to be removed for preparation of hurricanes and severe weather.

4411
06:14:48,590 --> 06:14:52,270
Water access can be necessary for dock construction or maintenance.

4412
06:14:52,930 --> 06:14:58,490
The ramp would also provide an additional controlled access point for emergency services to reach hickering nut lake.

4413
06:14:58,490 --> 06:14:59,970
If access to...

4414
06:15:01,100 --> 06:15:10,060
We've heard concerns raised by our neighbours around the lake. We take them seriously. One concern raised repeatedly and written comments is that

4415
06:15:10,060 --> 06:15:20,680
avalanco homeowners would each receive a key. Those keys would be duplicated and eventually people outside the community could gain access. That is not how the rampal operate.

4416
06:15:21,240 --> 06:15:27,160
We intend to adopt separate, addendum to our HOE rules, and regulations specifically governing

4417
06:15:27,160 --> 06:15:27,940
the boat ramp.

4418
06:15:29,140 --> 06:15:32,260
The gate will remain locked, residents will not be issued keys.

4419
06:15:32,880 --> 06:15:36,600
Only designated HOA board members will control access to the gate.

4420
06:15:37,220 --> 06:15:41,240
A resident who needs to use a ramp will have to coordinate access through the board member.

4421
06:15:41,940 --> 06:15:45,440
And importantly, guests will not be permitted to launch votes from this ramp.

4422
06:15:45,440 --> 06:15:52,240
So, this is not a public boat ramp, it is not a ramp for friends, relatives or people coming from outside the community.

4423
06:15:52,600 --> 06:15:55,580
It is a controlled HOA facility for Avalanco residents.

4424
06:15:57,080 --> 06:15:59,600
We are equally serious about the environmental protection.

4425
06:16:00,320 --> 06:16:05,060
We understand the concern of introducing nuisance and exotic vegetation.

4426
06:16:05,720 --> 06:16:11,980
From the bodies of water, the project will include the required washout measures and our HOA rules can reinforce requirements

4427
06:16:11,980 --> 06:16:15,780
that watercraft be properly cleaned before entering hickory nut.

4428
06:16:18,120 --> 06:16:24,800
There is also a practical limitation on the amount and type of additional watercraft that can come from our 23 interior homes.

4429
06:16:25,360 --> 06:16:33,660
A long-coves existing HOA restrictions do not allow boats or boat trailers to be simply stored on dryways or anywhere else around the community.

4430
06:16:34,280 --> 06:16:40,960
In addition, there is no parking spaces within the gated boat ramp area for storing or leaving boat trailers.

4431
06:16:40,960 --> 06:16:45,720
and trailers are not permitted to be stored within our community as our violas.

4432
06:16:46,620 --> 06:16:49,160
And when our interior residents have discussed using a lake,

4433
06:16:49,480 --> 06:16:52,560
it's simply kayaks, canoes, and other non-motorized watercraft,

4434
06:16:52,960 --> 06:16:54,580
not always just large boats.

4435
06:16:55,340 --> 06:16:57,080
We cannot predict which homeowners will own,

4436
06:16:57,160 --> 06:17:00,940
what type of watercraft 510 or 20 years from now is home's change ownership.

4437
06:17:01,560 --> 06:17:05,780
But the 23 entry homes represent a maximum number of potential eligible households,

4438
06:17:06,160 --> 06:17:07,140
not 23 boats.

4439
06:17:08,040 --> 06:17:11,560
Finally, I understand why our neighbors are protective of Hickory Not, Lake.

4440
06:17:11,720 --> 06:17:13,160
We are protective of it too.

4441
06:17:13,680 --> 06:17:16,420
26 Avalon co-family live directly on the lake.

4442
06:17:16,660 --> 06:17:20,340
Whatever happens to the quality of the slake happens in our own backyards.

4443
06:17:21,060 --> 06:17:23,660
We have every incentive to protect it.

4444
06:17:24,040 --> 06:17:28,580
Our neighbors in Avalon co-v made disagree about this particular boat ramp, but I don't

4445
06:17:28,580 --> 06:17:30,380
believe we disagree about the lake.

4446
06:17:30,480 --> 06:17:33,300
We all want Hickory Not Lake through main clean safe and beautiful.

4447
06:17:33,300 --> 06:17:37,960
The question before you is not whether the leak deserves protection, we absolutely agree

4448
06:17:37,960 --> 06:17:38,580
it does.

4449
06:17:39,400 --> 06:17:44,240
The question is whether Abelon Code can provide reasonable, controlled access to a small community

4450
06:17:44,240 --> 06:17:46,220
while continuing to protect the lake.

4451
06:17:46,860 --> 06:17:49,960
So we believe the safeguards we are proposing demonstrate that we can.

4452
06:17:50,480 --> 06:17:51,420
Thank you.

4453
06:17:53,200 --> 06:17:54,900
All right, Mr. President,

4454
06:17:58,520 --> 06:18:01,360
you said, how long have you lived in it?

4455
06:18:01,360 --> 06:18:03,360
I've been there four years four years

4456
06:18:04,540 --> 06:18:08,040
The community is only probably five years. So did you sign women in the league?

4457
06:18:08,400 --> 06:18:12,000
Yeah, yes, so I'm not got it. It's on the jet skis and I'm just curious

4458
06:18:13,260 --> 06:18:17,260
What's that other alligator's in the list is alligator's in there? I won't go on a shit girl in it

4459
06:18:20,160 --> 06:18:22,220
Okay, all right, thank you. I had thanks

4460
06:18:24,040 --> 06:18:25,260
All right, do we have

4461
06:18:25,260 --> 06:18:31,340
Members of the public president who wish to be heard on this item again. We're on on B2 and seek the

4462
06:18:35,120 --> 06:18:41,560
We do, Mayor. We have a handful of folks who have signed up for this. As previous

4463
06:18:41,560 --> 06:18:46,500
mentioned, some of them identified themselves as members of the applicant team. So I will

4464
06:18:46,500 --> 06:18:50,060
not call them however if there wasn't error we can work that out as we go.

4465
06:18:52,480 --> 06:18:55,920
And folks, in the call of your names, in batches, want to do, please line up along the back

4466
06:18:55,920 --> 06:18:59,880
wall, approach the podium in the order called when you do, please begin with your name

4467
06:18:59,880 --> 06:19:04,500
address for the record. First speaker is going to be Linda Temple,

4468
06:19:07,300 --> 06:19:10,100
followed by Dalton Rodriguez,

4469
06:19:12,060 --> 06:19:19,400
Ellie Nevis, Horst Ull, Sherry High,

4470
06:19:22,130 --> 06:19:23,950
Stephanie Esposito,

4471
06:19:34,630 --> 06:19:35,610
who's Temple York.

4472
06:19:38,740 --> 06:19:40,000
My name is Linda Temple.

4473
06:19:40,000 --> 06:19:47,000
I live in 1917, like Kick Green at Dry and Winner Garden, and I want to thank you for letting

4474
06:19:47,000 --> 06:19:48,780
me speak my mind.

4475
06:19:50,000 --> 06:19:50,160
Okay.

4476
06:19:51,320 --> 06:19:56,420
I'd like to address some of the concerns we have about the building of the boat ramp.

4477
06:19:56,420 --> 06:19:59,900
As a resonant since Everlake Hickory nights.

4478
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:06,200
Since 1981, we are deeply concerned about any environmental issues with the building of the ramp.

4479
06:20:07,260 --> 06:20:12,300
We have been sampling Lake Hickory not with Florida Lake Watch since 1989.

4480
06:20:13,500 --> 06:20:19,940
And our lake has maintained a clear depth reading of anywhere from 10 foot to 20 foot clarity.

4481
06:20:20,720 --> 06:20:36,180
It concerns us about the storm would run off into the lake as the entrance to the ramp is significantly significantly higher than the 11.5 at lake level.

4482
06:20:37,460 --> 06:20:41,280
The ramp will run through a dry retention pond to get to the lake access.

4483
06:20:42,060 --> 06:20:48,160
The dry retention pond is there for a reason to collect any run off before it gets to the lake.

4484
06:20:48,160 --> 06:20:55,360
What happens to the retention area, if they build the boat ramp, you know, the access through it?

4485
06:20:55,740 --> 06:20:59,960
How will the concrete ramp affect what runoff comes into the lake?

4486
06:21:00,820 --> 06:21:03,960
I think any and all environmental impacts,

4487
06:21:05,360 --> 06:21:10,740
an example, water quality, shoreline erosion, effects to wildlife and habitat,

4488
06:21:11,300 --> 06:21:15,480
need to be studied further to make sure any and all concerns are met.

4489
06:21:15,480 --> 06:21:21,220
We request that these studies be done before any approval of the ramp is considered.

4490
06:21:22,020 --> 06:21:25,420
Please deny or defer voting before these studies are completed.

4491
06:21:26,320 --> 06:21:29,480
Thank you for your time and consideration in these matters.

4492
06:21:30,020 --> 06:21:33,140
Thank you, Mr. Temple. We'll move to the next speaker.

4493
06:21:37,780 --> 06:21:38,240
Dalton?

4494
06:21:39,600 --> 06:21:42,140
I'm Ellie Nielas, but I don't see who was the second speaker.

4495
06:21:42,900 --> 06:21:45,180
Okay, so I'm happy to go.

4496
06:21:45,200 --> 06:21:47,620
Dalton and Rodriguez are something like that.

4497
06:21:56,220 --> 06:21:58,680
I have just one consideration.

4498
06:21:59,580 --> 06:22:03,880
I have a boat, a jet ski, on the lake.

4499
06:22:04,740 --> 06:22:08,600
And how can I remove my boat to fix it?

4500
06:22:08,620 --> 06:22:15,040
Just in case if broke, you don't have access to the lake.

4501
06:22:15,320 --> 06:22:16,400
You need the boat rep.

4502
06:22:17,060 --> 06:22:17,940
Is this it?

4503
06:22:19,540 --> 06:22:20,540
All right. Thank you.

4504
06:22:22,020 --> 06:22:22,740
That's 100.

4505
06:22:24,980 --> 06:22:27,900
9.080 Morgana Court.

4506
06:22:28,700 --> 06:22:30,420
Thank you.

4507
06:22:30,940 --> 06:22:31,260
All right.

4508
06:22:31,920 --> 06:22:33,280
Now, the next speaker.

4509
06:22:35,240 --> 06:22:38,480
Elineata's 9116 Morgana Court's in Avalon Cove.

4510
06:22:38,840 --> 06:22:40,600
Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, permission.

4511
06:22:41,700 --> 06:22:42,720
My name is Elineata.

4512
06:22:42,860 --> 06:22:45,720
My husband and I are home owners in Avalon Cove.

4513
06:22:46,280 --> 06:22:50,180
And we're here to respectfully request that you approve our communities proposed boat ramp.

4514
06:22:50,180 --> 06:22:54,240
Avalon Colb was originally designed to include a boat ramp.

4515
06:22:54,960 --> 06:23:00,420
Many of our homes were approved with docs and boat lives, creating a reasonable expectation

4516
06:23:00,420 --> 06:23:04,780
that residents would have a safe and practical way to launch boats onto HickoryNet

4517
06:23:04,780 --> 06:23:05,120
Lake.

4518
06:23:05,740 --> 06:23:06,940
Today we don't.

4519
06:23:07,760 --> 06:23:12,280
We are a lakefront community without community access to the lake.

4520
06:23:12,820 --> 06:23:17,120
That affects the use and enjoyment of our homes and has implications for our property values

4521
06:23:17,120 --> 06:23:17,860
and resale.

4522
06:23:17,860 --> 06:23:22,940
What we are requesting is modest, AvalanCov has only 49 homes.

4523
06:23:23,380 --> 06:23:29,600
This would be a private, HOA controlled and maintained ramp for our community, not a public

4524
06:23:29,600 --> 06:23:30,380
boat ramp.

4525
06:23:31,580 --> 06:23:35,820
There is a misunderstanding that this ramp will provide general lake access to anyone with

4526
06:23:35,820 --> 06:23:38,420
a keyfab or anyone who has friends in AvalanCov.

4527
06:23:39,000 --> 06:23:40,520
That is not what we are proposing.

4528
06:23:41,000 --> 06:23:46,380
We live on Hickory Nut Lake and we have every reason to protect its health and water quality.

4529
06:23:46,380 --> 06:23:52,820
A properly permitted and controlled launch point access allows us to manage lake access responsibly.

4530
06:23:53,380 --> 06:23:59,440
Our homeowners have already overwhelmingly supported this effort and invested financially in engineering and permitting.

4531
06:24:00,300 --> 06:24:01,800
We're not asking for something new.

4532
06:24:02,180 --> 06:24:07,560
We are asking to complete an amenity, contemplated as part of the original design of our community.

4533
06:24:08,080 --> 06:24:12,380
We respectfully request that you vote to approve the Evalon code vote ramp.

4534
06:24:12,540 --> 06:24:13,100
Thank you.

4535
06:24:14,990 --> 06:24:17,730
All right, thank you. We'll move to the next speaker.

4536
06:24:19,170 --> 06:24:22,290
Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Horsesuel 87-74,

4537
06:24:22,490 --> 06:24:25,390
Bayview Crossing Drive. I want to go to Florida.

4538
06:24:27,950 --> 06:24:30,350
I'm definitely against the boat ramp.

4539
06:24:31,590 --> 06:24:34,290
I also bought a house already on the lake.

4540
06:24:34,450 --> 06:24:36,610
And, of course, it had a boat ramp, a dock on there,

4541
06:24:36,650 --> 06:24:38,330
and it came a little boat in some jet skis.

4542
06:24:40,270 --> 06:24:42,270
Maintenance can still be done on the docks.

4543
06:24:42,270 --> 06:24:48,490
There's no issues about getting them in and out if you need it to there's always a lift

4544
06:24:48,490 --> 06:24:53,130
You can always get it lifted out pay a company and don't come get it in and out of the water

4545
06:24:53,130 --> 06:24:57,530
Everybody else bought the same way I did you either bought with a

4546
06:24:57,530 --> 06:24:59,970
A doctor you bought off the lake if you bought off the lake you dig

4547
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:02,380
Get the access, you need it.

4548
06:25:04,570 --> 06:25:12,170
Looking down the line, there's we build something, somebody built something, but there's no long term, hey, how are we going to maintain this in the years?

4549
06:25:12,770 --> 06:25:17,730
I know the HOA is like, yeah, we're going to build this, but there's no long term. Who's going to maintain it down the years?

4550
06:25:17,750 --> 06:25:26,230
There's going to repair that document of false apart. Who's going to pay to have the concrete report, which requires your new permits and permission to do all that also.

4551
06:25:28,530 --> 06:25:35,310
The hydrology plan, we already support that one, you have the number, it's one of the top

4552
06:25:35,310 --> 06:25:41,090
lakes for cleanliness right now, and that's only because we can't get our boats in and out by

4553
06:25:41,090 --> 06:25:43,750
backing up a trailer and just pulling them on when we need to.

4554
06:25:43,970 --> 06:25:48,670
So there's no introduction of anything from any other lake in this state or another state

4555
06:25:48,670 --> 06:25:54,290
being brought in without being cleansed properly or at least it's in there for a long.

4556
06:25:55,570 --> 06:25:57,230
We're talking about the budget.

4557
06:25:59,390 --> 06:26:07,310
There's no process except for our water individual tests on our own time to see it down the line.

4558
06:26:07,810 --> 06:26:11,890
What she can provide you with is the proof that up until today it's been clean.

4559
06:26:12,110 --> 06:26:13,130
It's remained clean.

4560
06:26:13,850 --> 06:26:15,210
Yes, there are boats already on the lake.

4561
06:26:15,470 --> 06:26:19,910
Yes, there are jet skis already on the lake and people kayak and people fish.

4562
06:26:20,110 --> 06:26:21,930
But we're about to add on.

4563
06:26:21,930 --> 06:26:28,110
I want to I'll agree with the gentlemen earlier. We're not going to all 49 families in that neighborhood over there.

4564
06:26:28,190 --> 06:26:31,410
I'm not going to head and thank you for your time.

4565
06:26:32,750 --> 06:26:33,710
Thank you.

4566
06:26:34,230 --> 06:26:36,170
We'll move to the next speaker.

4567
06:26:40,520 --> 06:26:44,240
Next speaker was Sherry High, followed by Stephanie Esposito.

4568
06:26:48,240 --> 06:26:52,280
Hi, good afternoon. All right. I'm terrible at public speaking, so I'm going to publicly read.

4569
06:26:53,900 --> 06:26:56,800
Let's see. I'm here. All right. Stephanie Esposito,

4570
06:26:57,680 --> 06:27:00,680
10417 at Water Bay Drive, I'm in phase two of Waterley.

4571
06:27:01,700 --> 06:27:04,660
I sit directly across from this.

4572
06:27:05,040 --> 06:27:07,260
Seven and a half years ago we bought this property.

4573
06:27:08,720 --> 06:27:12,860
Between this property and a house on the Butler chain,

4574
06:27:13,600 --> 06:27:14,420
we had to make a decision.

4575
06:27:15,520 --> 06:27:21,240
This was incredibly an important decision

4576
06:27:21,240 --> 06:27:24,260
because do we want to be on something where there's a bunch of public

4577
06:27:25,020 --> 06:27:32,820
access or not. So that's why we chose to be in waterly, knowing that it was going to be

4578
06:27:32,820 --> 06:27:37,800
a quieter lake, something that you used it outside, you're enjoying and you don't have

4579
06:27:37,800 --> 06:27:40,320
a bunch of jet skis flying by, this, that whatever.

4580
06:27:42,960 --> 06:27:44,900
I'm not going to bring up all of the other

4581
06:27:44,900 --> 06:27:54,320
previous concerns because that's already been raised, but I did some work to start over the

4582
06:27:54,320 --> 06:28:03,620
last couple months, every house that we have that's on the lake, there's 179 homes on the

4583
06:28:03,620 --> 06:28:12,540
lake. As of currently, there's a hundred that have docks already, but there's 164 that

4584
06:28:12,540 --> 06:28:18,320
are capable of getting docks down the road. So as people move out, you know, some that we could

4585
06:28:18,320 --> 06:28:30,340
more dots to it. There is a total of, let's see, in phase 2, 20, 20 vote dots, 13 votes.

4586
06:28:31,660 --> 06:28:38,900
There's 12 votes. In phase 1, there is undisclosed. I'm not sure how many are in the old

4587
06:28:38,900 --> 06:28:49,520
you guys have a lot. 25, 25 that I counted. That's already enough. 27 homes in

4588
06:28:49,520 --> 06:28:56,880
Avalanco already have docs on the lake. There's 27 homes on the lake. I think

4589
06:28:56,880 --> 06:29:02,520
there's 20 in your neighborhood that are already have docs. So you're almost

4590
06:29:02,520 --> 06:29:06,340
completely full of docs. So to add 22.

4591
06:29:07,880 --> 06:29:10,460
All right, man, that little buzz it means you out of time.

4592
06:29:11,220 --> 06:29:12,320
That goes quick.

4593
06:29:12,400 --> 06:29:14,600
It goes quickly. Thank you.

4594
06:29:14,660 --> 06:29:16,780
All right, thank you. We'll move to the next speaker.

4595
06:29:17,100 --> 06:29:22,080
Our next speaker is going to be Lester Austin, followed by Patrick Wheeler,

4596
06:29:23,240 --> 06:29:29,800
Jerry Jackson, Tom Armstrong, and Dave Maggi.

4597
06:29:33,100 --> 06:29:37,160
Lester Austin, 93, 94, we're Lake Hickory Nut Drive.

4598
06:29:38,040 --> 06:29:42,100
We have owned a house on Lake Butler for over 60 years,

4599
06:29:42,800 --> 06:29:46,760
and we saw the Lake deteriorate over the years.

4600
06:29:47,080 --> 06:29:50,320
Motors coming in with vegetation, throwing out trash,

4601
06:29:51,760 --> 06:29:55,100
drunk, crazy driving, boomboxes.

4602
06:29:55,740 --> 06:29:59,760
And if you don't want to say just listen to some of the winter mirror folks.

4603
06:30:00,460 --> 06:30:08,800
Of a bird island, completely different situation, voters or some of the religious people in the world.

4604
06:30:11,860 --> 06:30:17,240
The concern on Lake Hickory, not all of these concerns apply.

4605
06:30:18,560 --> 06:30:31,980
But that lake is particularly different because it's long and narrow, and whiteboarding is really

4606
06:30:31,980 --> 06:30:37,440
have to have a big boat, balance full of water, it creates a monster's wave and with that

4607
06:30:37,440 --> 06:30:46,780
narrow shoreline. It really erodes. We have one such boat and we hate to see it coming

4608
06:30:46,780 --> 06:30:55,460
and we hate to see any more coming. It's just a, if this, you know, is approved, I just wish

4609
06:30:55,460 --> 06:31:03,160
the county would follow suit, you know, you have an award-winning concert to you have an award-winning

4610
06:31:03,160 --> 06:31:11,680
horizon where some of the planning and you could have an award-winning boat situation where

4611
06:31:11,680 --> 06:31:19,540
people can enjoy it, but not polluted restrict the boom boxes, these directional boom boxes

4612
06:31:19,540 --> 06:31:25,900
are unbelievable, but restrict the size of the boat so that you don't have these wakes

4613
06:31:25,900 --> 06:31:31,680
there, eroding the shoreline, and just some real good common sense, and put some teeth

4614
06:31:31,680 --> 06:31:39,680
in it, not just a single lock that eventually everybody has a key.

4615
06:31:39,960 --> 06:31:40,940
Thank you.

4616
06:31:41,160 --> 06:31:41,480
All right.

4617
06:31:41,660 --> 06:31:42,440
Thank you very much.

4618
06:31:42,740 --> 06:31:43,360
Next speaker.

4619
06:31:47,880 --> 06:31:48,680
Patrick Wheeler?

4620
06:31:49,780 --> 06:31:50,320
Nine.

4621
06:31:52,500 --> 06:31:55,040
I live in Avalon, cove on the lake.

4622
06:31:55,760 --> 06:31:59,560
We constructed a dock shortly after purchasing about five years ago.

4623
06:31:59,880 --> 06:32:03,100
And two teenage daughters, we've been very excited to get a boat,

4624
06:32:03,360 --> 06:32:07,300
but have helped off thus far because of the reasons mentioned

4625
06:32:07,300 --> 06:32:09,040
only private boat ramps.

4626
06:32:09,180 --> 06:32:12,180
And so I just want to show support that it would be nice to be able to have a way.

4627
06:32:12,760 --> 06:32:16,920
And as everyone has said, we are also concerned about the lake continuing to be well protected.

4628
06:32:16,920 --> 06:32:22,700
We go out there and spend lots of time, so we are not interested either in having it be overrun,

4629
06:32:23,000 --> 06:32:26,920
but we do think it would be a great asset to those of us living on the lake. Thank you.

4630
06:32:28,220 --> 06:32:29,140
Okay, thank you.

4631
06:32:30,540 --> 06:32:31,160
Next week.

4632
06:32:34,340 --> 06:32:34,820
Good afternoon.

4633
06:32:35,320 --> 06:32:38,100
I'm Tom Armstrong, 90-50, Morgana Court.

4634
06:32:39,600 --> 06:32:42,800
And I'd just like to say, in general, that I really appreciate

4635
06:32:44,060 --> 06:32:48,220
Waterloo's perspective protecting this particular lake. It's beautiful.

4636
06:32:48,220 --> 06:32:53,000
I was the second house to move and build a house there right on the lake.

4637
06:32:53,000 --> 06:32:57,040
I opened a build my future dream house and live on the lake.

4638
06:32:58,400 --> 06:33:04,660
I work out at my house and I have my office faces the lake and I could see how beautiful it is.

4639
06:33:04,960 --> 06:33:08,860
I could see the migration of birds that come in every year.

4640
06:33:10,260 --> 06:33:16,100
So I'm very appreciative of why everybody is really adamant about protecting the lake.

4641
06:33:16,100 --> 06:33:22,780
But when I bought the house, you know, we were all under the impression that we were not going

4642
06:33:22,780 --> 06:33:26,760
to have any issues of being able to build a dock, which I haven't built mine yet, because

4643
06:33:26,760 --> 06:33:33,160
I'm waiting on being able to get a boat safely in there and cleanly, and with respect to

4644
06:33:33,160 --> 06:33:41,520
the lake and the other communities, and that, so if you really really sad that I can't make

4645
06:33:41,520 --> 06:33:47,820
happen for my 11-year-old son when we moved in there five years ago. We want to do

4646
06:33:47,820 --> 06:33:53,760
it's just a new vision. We don't want to go out there and crush 30 beers and play boom

4647
06:33:53,760 --> 06:34:00,460
boxes all day long. We just want to be able to get in safely on the lake and have some fun safely

4648
06:34:00,460 --> 06:34:01,380
and keep it clean.

4649
06:34:03,440 --> 06:34:07,640
Our community is mostly an older community. There's hardly any kids there.

4650
06:34:07,640 --> 06:34:14,580
I would say most of the people are older and might have been in the movie cocoon back in the day.

4651
06:34:14,720 --> 06:34:20,100
I mean, that's how all our community is, you know, so where we have no interest in that long

4652
06:34:20,100 --> 06:34:27,400
code of doing anything but actually helping protect the like even further than it already is.

4653
06:34:27,680 --> 06:34:27,780
Thanks.

4654
06:34:29,060 --> 06:34:29,940
Thank you.

4655
06:34:30,080 --> 06:34:30,600
Next speaker.

4656
06:34:34,920 --> 06:34:35,320
I'm Jerry.

4657
06:34:35,400 --> 06:34:37,260
I'm a recovering landscaper.

4658
06:34:38,340 --> 06:34:39,300
All right.

4659
06:34:40,040 --> 06:34:51,520
9-1-1-5-ly kickerina drive, we bought 2020, under the same premise, where we thought there

4660
06:34:51,520 --> 06:34:55,660
was not going to be any ramps, you know, we have a lot of decisions to make buying a property

4661
06:34:56,120 --> 06:34:59,980
and having it as private as that with no public boat ramp.

4662
06:35:00,540 --> 06:35:10,920
We had a decision to make, maybe the Butler chain of lakes and things like that. So we're kind of on the flip side of that. We bought it because there was no ramps and no public access.

4663
06:35:13,420 --> 06:35:25,840
Also, just a reminder, if you saw the numbers up there, there's over a two to one objection to this right now from the people that live around and on the lakes. Just a reminder.

4664
06:35:28,420 --> 06:35:38,040
But, yeah, again, we have some clients that live on other lakes in they have access and they have access controllers and all this stuff.

4665
06:35:38,920 --> 06:35:40,900
And you ask them and you say, so how's that going?

4666
06:35:41,660 --> 06:35:53,060
And the first thing they do is laugh because what they started with has broken down, or the HOA has transitioned, the system is not implemented anymore.

4667
06:35:53,060 --> 06:35:59,720
more. There's the various reasons as the years gone by. So I know the intentions are good for security

4668
06:35:59,720 --> 06:36:06,620
and securing the ramp that people move and transition. So there's no guarantees to that either.

4669
06:36:08,940 --> 06:36:16,260
And the other thing is we have our boats there, our boat there, and we get service. You call somebody

4670
06:36:16,260 --> 06:36:24,100
down. This is Florida. A lot of boats on the lakes. There are diamond dozen for mobile

4671
06:36:24,100 --> 06:36:29,260
mechanics to come out. There's a lot of great ones out there. Obviously, if you need that,

4672
06:36:29,300 --> 06:36:34,800
you make a phone call. If you want to buy a new boat, they will come down and deliver your boat

4673
06:36:34,800 --> 06:36:39,580
to the lake. They'll figure away. I'll take you to do that as well. So everybody can enjoy that

4674
06:36:39,580 --> 06:36:43,240
part of the like. Thank you for your time.

4675
06:36:43,880 --> 06:36:45,700
All right, thank you sir. Next week.

4676
06:36:49,010 --> 06:36:52,090
Good afternoon. My name is Dave Ackey. I live at 9331

4677
06:36:52,090 --> 06:36:54,030
Lake Hickory and I drive.

4678
06:36:55,870 --> 06:36:58,950
Real quick, quick background. The initial developer

4679
06:36:58,950 --> 06:37:01,950
Jones home. He closed the application right after

4680
06:37:01,950 --> 06:37:05,910
a public meeting because of all the opposition.

4681
06:37:07,610 --> 06:37:10,330
And then six years later, we're here again.

4682
06:37:10,330 --> 06:37:14,530
So, it's already been stated about the cleanliness and what not.

4683
06:37:14,950 --> 06:37:19,890
But you add more 26 more homes of access to it.

4684
06:37:20,210 --> 06:37:25,570
You add increased voter accidents, more congestion.

4685
06:37:26,970 --> 06:37:33,570
You are increasing the disturbance of the lake on the shoreline, the bottom.

4686
06:37:34,070 --> 06:37:38,730
If you introduce wakeboard boats, wake and hands boats, you're going to further destroy

4687
06:37:38,730 --> 06:37:44,890
docs and basically teal up everything. Keeping the way clean is very important. Everybody

4688
06:37:44,890 --> 06:37:52,910
talks about intrusion of the weeds. Well, there's no MSTU and there's no MSTU tax. Who's

4689
06:37:52,910 --> 06:37:58,270
going to pay for this when the weeds come in? Am I going to pay for it? Do I have to pay

4690
06:37:58,270 --> 06:38:03,510
more money because they decided to put a ramp in and there are people don't adhere to

4691
06:38:03,510 --> 06:38:07,990
their guidelines. Who's going to police that? When the weeds come in, who's going to

4692
06:38:07,990 --> 06:38:10,510
for it to eradicate them, to spray form.

4693
06:38:11,050 --> 06:38:15,290
You guys spray present lake and wind the mirror constantly because it goes out to the butler

4694
06:38:15,290 --> 06:38:15,590
sound.

4695
06:38:15,770 --> 06:38:17,930
That has an MSTU and M.S.B.U budget.

4696
06:38:18,570 --> 06:38:20,690
You guys are constantly spraying for it for Hydrilla.

4697
06:38:21,530 --> 06:38:22,870
I've seen the effects of it.

4698
06:38:23,010 --> 06:38:23,810
There are no effects.

4699
06:38:24,170 --> 06:38:24,790
It's constant.

4700
06:38:26,670 --> 06:38:31,230
So that is a big concern for all of us that nobody wants to talk about and nobody can answer.

4701
06:38:33,310 --> 06:38:37,370
It's something, something else is real quick.

4702
06:38:37,370 --> 06:38:43,850
We have all these issues going on with the HOA's up in Tallahassee.

4703
06:38:43,870 --> 06:38:47,970
What happens when they pull all the power out of the HOA?

4704
06:38:48,170 --> 06:38:51,150
Who's going to monitor the HOA?

4705
06:38:51,210 --> 06:38:52,550
Who's going to monitor the ramp?

4706
06:38:52,870 --> 06:38:53,870
Who's going to take care of that?

4707
06:38:53,930 --> 06:38:55,510
See, it'll just turn into an open program.

4708
06:38:55,970 --> 06:38:57,450
Not my job, not my responsibility.

4709
06:38:58,370 --> 06:38:59,730
This is can't go through.

4710
06:39:02,630 --> 06:39:03,070
All right, sir.

4711
06:39:03,410 --> 06:39:03,970
Thank you.

4712
06:39:04,650 --> 06:39:05,150
Next speaker.

4713
06:39:06,290 --> 06:39:09,110
All right, our last batch of speakers is going to start with

4714
06:39:09,110 --> 06:39:15,370
Max or Nellis followed by Brian White and Eduardo Neorl.

4715
06:39:35,400 --> 06:39:37,240
First person up in a first putting.

4716
06:39:42,660 --> 06:39:44,220
Okay. Ryan.

4717
06:39:44,580 --> 06:39:46,660
This is Max, but it is supposed to be me.

4718
06:39:46,660 --> 06:39:47,560
It was a Max.

4719
06:39:47,740 --> 06:39:48,080
It was a Max.

4720
06:39:48,640 --> 06:39:50,260
But go here, Brian. You there.

4721
06:39:50,760 --> 06:39:51,820
Alright, my name's Brian White.

4722
06:39:51,820 --> 06:39:53,780
I live in Avlovco, 9063.

4723
06:39:53,980 --> 06:39:55,080
I am not on the lake.

4724
06:39:56,020 --> 06:39:58,800
And we understand that everyone has a concern about,

4725
06:39:58,800 --> 06:39:59,900
you know, safety on the lake.

4726
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:08,280
Protecting the lake. We all have those same concerns. We have our own private meetings. We understand that it's important to protect the lake.

4727
06:40:10,380 --> 06:40:12,300
I'm for it.

4728
06:40:12,700 --> 06:40:22,640
It doesn't mean that I'm going to be on the lake, but it's something that we were looking forward to when the builder said that this is an option for us.

4729
06:40:22,740 --> 06:40:26,500
So I am here to support it. Hopefully, guys, because you're proof.

4730
06:40:27,940 --> 06:40:28,760
Thank you,

4731
06:40:39,380 --> 06:40:39,380
sir.

4732
06:40:39,860 --> 06:40:40,920
Eduardo, you're a text.

4733
06:40:45,490 --> 06:40:46,450
Hello, Mr. Mayor.

4734
06:40:47,310 --> 06:40:49,590
My name is Eduardo Mayor.

4735
06:40:49,830 --> 06:40:51,850
It's a 763-way view crossing.

4736
06:40:53,650 --> 06:40:57,830
So we keep here in Hickory not is one of the cleanest lakes in Florida.

4737
06:40:58,950 --> 06:41:01,970
It's only three miles away from Disney.

4738
06:41:02,850 --> 06:41:05,130
And you wonder how come this happen?

4739
06:41:05,130 --> 06:41:11,210
I mean, it sounds like an impossible combination that a lake in such proximity to this

4740
06:41:11,210 --> 06:41:20,450
need, that has been with people using boats for all these years is so clean.

4741
06:41:21,430 --> 06:41:27,630
Well, the reason is there is no boat ramps.

4742
06:41:28,350 --> 06:41:32,910
I hear all the good arguments and all the good reasons to put about ramp and the convenience.

4743
06:41:33,750 --> 06:41:39,990
We had that problem ourselves when we bought the house and we had to put our boat in.

4744
06:41:40,290 --> 06:41:41,090
It was expensive.

4745
06:41:42,930 --> 06:41:45,950
The boat has been like I call it Lake Locked.

4746
06:41:46,550 --> 06:41:51,150
Once you put it in, it's so expensive you don't want to be put it in in and out.

4747
06:41:51,570 --> 06:41:59,910
It's locked in the lake and the same situation for all the other 70 persons that are currently with boats.

4748
06:41:59,910 --> 06:42:06,390
So, yes, it's expensive, but I think it's a commitment that everybody can make to keep the lake

4749
06:42:06,390 --> 06:42:14,310
as it is, is hard to argue with the results and the fact is, for 60 years, the lake has remained clean.

4750
06:42:15,730 --> 06:42:22,530
And it was not planned. I don't think anyone, 60 years ago, said, we're not going to put in ramps, we're going to have only two private.

4751
06:42:23,090 --> 06:42:29,810
No, I mean it just happened, but right now, this is the situation we have, now we can make a decision.

4752
06:42:29,810 --> 06:42:37,510
Now we can say look, let's keep this going, it's going very well. We know what happens when we

4753
06:42:37,510 --> 06:42:46,110
have a lot of traffic, how the quality of the world declines and I'm speaking on behalf

4754
06:42:46,110 --> 06:42:53,090
of me and my wife, but I think I sure the same feeling for many of our neighbors. So please

4755
06:42:53,090 --> 06:42:55,810
consider not approving this one. Thank you.

4756
06:42:55,810 --> 06:42:59,470
Alright, thank you, sir. Next speaker.

4757
06:43:04,130 --> 06:43:10,650
Hi, my name is May Ho, 15990, Golden Street. I am

4758
06:43:10,650 --> 06:43:18,950
not on a late front property. I do not plan to purchase a boat, but when I purchase

4759
06:43:18,950 --> 06:43:26,130
the property and it is advertised as we have a boat rent. So I think boat rent should

4760
06:43:26,130 --> 06:43:33,650
in there because it was what was approved back in 2016. And if you're doing the math, we have only

4761
06:43:33,650 --> 06:43:43,050
49 homes and not everyone will have a boat which include myself, my other neighbors. And we have

4762
06:43:43,050 --> 06:43:49,890
all the professionals from EPA and permitting, they have done their job, they have justified to

4763
06:43:49,890 --> 06:44:01,890
see to let us know if it's okay for us to build a boot RAM or no. So let the professional do the job do the studies, not because of anything else. Thank you.

4764
06:44:02,730 --> 06:44:06,800
All right. Thank you. All right.

4765
06:44:06,820 --> 06:44:08,620
Later in the other speakers on this item.

4766
06:44:08,940 --> 06:44:11,340
I believe that was our last speaker for this item.

4767
06:44:12,240 --> 06:44:13,720
All right. We have one more.

4768
06:44:14,380 --> 06:44:18,800
Okay. You're not a part of the applicant team. You're a resident.

4769
06:44:18,800 --> 06:44:19,800
Yeah,

4770
06:44:22,100 --> 06:44:23,700
if you didn't fill out a car,

4771
06:44:29,620 --> 06:44:31,560
this is the name and address.

4772
06:44:31,980 --> 06:44:38,680
Uncle Barrios, 9104 Morgana Port, Mr. Major, Commissioners, thanks for the opportunity.

4773
06:44:39,620 --> 06:44:42,580
I just want to say I'm in favor of this ramp.

4774
06:44:43,580 --> 06:44:46,060
I have a house at the lake.

4775
06:44:47,100 --> 06:44:54,180
I think I spend more time at that boat dock than I spend inside my house.

4776
06:44:55,180 --> 06:44:59,660
Sometimes my wife is looking for me in the house and she knows I'm going to be by delay.

4777
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:07,980
I love that. It's a beautiful lake. We want to really protect it. We don't want people going in the

4778
06:45:07,980 --> 06:45:15,240
serving the lake and polluting the lake. I think it's just fair that nobody mentions this in our

4779
06:45:15,240 --> 06:45:23,760
side of the lake. We have a retainer wall that is ten feet high. Getting our boats in our

4780
06:45:23,760 --> 06:45:26,980
Yes, he's out of that house, out of that dog.

4781
06:45:27,560 --> 06:45:29,800
With a retainer wall that is 10 feet high,

4782
06:45:30,380 --> 06:45:32,280
it's really a problem, it's expensive.

4783
06:45:34,360 --> 06:45:35,720
But we want to protect our legs.

4784
06:45:36,100 --> 06:45:39,220
So the actions that we are promising we're going to take

4785
06:45:39,220 --> 06:45:43,600
to control the entrance to the bull ramp

4786
06:45:43,600 --> 06:45:47,660
is something as community we're going to put in our bylaws.

4787
06:45:48,240 --> 06:45:49,600
It's going to be in our book,

4788
06:45:49,760 --> 06:45:51,360
we're going to be responsible for that.

4789
06:45:51,360 --> 06:45:57,620
The other thing that I wanted to put in perspective, like imagining all this serious amount of

4790
06:45:57,620 --> 06:46:05,780
bows are going to be in this lake. I have a 17-year-old son, Tinaier. I have two jet skis

4791
06:46:05,780 --> 06:46:14,460
and I have a boat. Do you know how many times he was in the lake during summer time this year?

4792
06:46:16,560 --> 06:46:24,400
He brought his friends over, he had access to the jet skis, dating and go to the lake to use the jet skis.

4793
06:46:24,440 --> 06:46:28,160
Once the jet skis twice is boring for them.

4794
06:46:28,920 --> 06:46:34,560
So, pretending that everybody is going to be under both jet skis every week and every day of the week

4795
06:46:34,560 --> 06:46:38,300
that is going to be polluting the lake is the wrong misconception.

4796
06:46:39,260 --> 06:46:40,120
Thank you for your time.

4797
06:46:40,720 --> 06:46:42,280
I thank you.

4798
06:46:45,570 --> 06:46:48,370
Are there any other persons who want to speak on this item?

4799
06:46:50,170 --> 06:46:59,010
If not, then we're going to go back to the applicant for any, you want to speak, ma'am.

4800
06:47:05,170 --> 06:47:07,670
My name is Heather, you will. I have a live at 8774,

4801
06:47:08,290 --> 06:47:10,970
Baby Crossing Drive, winter garden.

4802
06:47:11,710 --> 06:47:21,830
We've talked a lot about the fear of mass voting or troublesome folks on a lake for a couple

4803
06:47:21,830 --> 06:47:22,270
of reasons.

4804
06:47:22,510 --> 06:47:27,450
First, it is a private lake, so license votes are not required.

4805
06:47:28,790 --> 06:47:30,990
So that should give you a little bit of perspective.

4806
06:47:31,810 --> 06:47:39,850
If you have no license requirement, you're going to have a looser level of restriction or

4807
06:47:39,850 --> 06:47:47,990
regulation. The other piece that we have talked a little bit about is the number of homes

4808
06:47:47,990 --> 06:47:58,790
and docks on outwater and avalanche. That is only one small subdivision within this complex.

4809
06:47:58,790 --> 06:48:09,730
There's currently upwards of 3,000 houses in the waterly phases, one, two, and three.

4810
06:48:10,050 --> 06:48:18,890
Not to mention the three apartment complexes that are also associated with the waterly HOA, which are now across the street from us.

4811
06:48:18,890 --> 06:48:37,450
So, you are not talking about only access to the lake from Adelaan Koch, who you are also talking about the follow on precedent of the other three to five thousand residents that will want access to this very small lake.

4812
06:48:37,450 --> 06:48:42,090
It's under 400 acres, which is approximately 40 boats.

4813
06:48:42,630 --> 06:48:49,910
We are now talking about 3 to 5,000 personnel, homes living in that, not boats, residents.

4814
06:48:50,730 --> 06:48:53,930
So when you talk about this scale, it has changed.

4815
06:48:54,070 --> 06:49:01,050
That also that survey size of the lake was prior to the amount of vegetation and grass growth of the islands.

4816
06:49:01,330 --> 06:49:05,250
There has been no recent hydrology or vegetation studies.

4817
06:49:05,250 --> 06:49:12,950
We did have one of our residents talk about the budget or proposed budget funding for hydrology studies.

4818
06:49:13,210 --> 06:49:19,830
That has not occurred only the construction impact of the concrete being laid where there was vegetation.

4819
06:49:20,430 --> 06:49:21,610
That's the only carbon.

4820
06:49:21,770 --> 06:49:23,890
Thank you very much.

4821
06:49:28,700 --> 06:49:34,140
There are any other members on the public who wish to be heard on this item.

4822
06:49:34,680 --> 06:49:38,360
And, Heather, if you didn't fill out a car, make sure you fill it out.

4823
06:49:39,540 --> 06:49:40,280
All right.

4824
06:49:41,040 --> 06:49:41,160
Yeah.

4825
06:49:41,360 --> 06:49:44,080
So, it looks like the best thing in the speakers.

4826
06:49:44,680 --> 06:49:46,220
But I'll go back to the applicant.

4827
06:49:47,620 --> 06:49:51,000
You have the opportunity for some rebuttal comments,

4828
06:49:51,540 --> 06:49:57,520
that where you can address your neighbors.

4829
06:49:58,240 --> 06:49:59,760
It's got batteries in three or four.

4830
06:50:00,000 --> 06:50:29,900
I'll go drive one of our Florida 32789, engineer of record for the boat ramp. I just want to make sure that you guys know that the stormwater runoff was already designed and permitted to do the water management district in the county to accommodate this, and it started with the zoning. The PD lane use plan has a note number five that says this community will have a boat ramp and that was in 2016. So this is not a precedent setting situation. It's very unique situation where we're not in compliance with our zoning district.

4831
06:50:30,000 --> 06:50:35,960
The land use plan hasn't proved the PSP hasn't proved the DP the change of

4832
06:50:35,960 --> 06:50:39,380
termination even the final engineering plans that were recorded

4833
06:50:39,380 --> 06:50:43,200
have it in there. So all the stormwater will be taken care of.

4834
06:50:43,280 --> 06:50:47,160
In fact, we'll be getting updated, be our peace with the

4835
06:50:47,160 --> 06:50:51,040
Lermanent District, and that will meet the current criteria, which

4836
06:50:51,040 --> 06:50:53,860
there's plenty of extra room to do. And addition, what

4837
06:50:53,860 --> 06:50:58,480
a manager district requires the HOA funds to be proven, so that it

4838
06:50:58,480 --> 06:51:03,020
We'll operate in perpetuity and it has the case here as well.

4839
06:51:04,100 --> 06:51:05,100
Let's see if there is any else.

4840
06:51:05,660 --> 06:51:07,120
Yeah, and this is not a precedent.

4841
06:51:07,940 --> 06:51:10,580
This is a unique zoning note.

4842
06:51:11,080 --> 06:51:11,480
Thank you.

4843
06:51:12,260 --> 06:51:13,980
I'm having you answering other questions.

4844
06:51:16,980 --> 06:51:21,540
A lot of good comments on both sides for pro and against.

4845
06:51:21,940 --> 06:51:23,400
Again, we're trying to do it.

4846
06:51:23,420 --> 06:51:26,420
The right way to finish what our bill didn't do for us.

4847
06:51:26,420 --> 06:51:28,380
We all want to protect the lake.

4848
06:51:28,620 --> 06:51:30,660
I don't think there's any question about that.

4849
06:51:31,020 --> 06:51:32,260
I mean, I've heard things from,

4850
06:51:32,400 --> 06:51:34,360
you know, I don't want to do oil changes over the lake.

4851
06:51:35,100 --> 06:51:37,140
Okay, I'd rather take my boats and jet skis out.

4852
06:51:37,380 --> 06:51:38,560
I think that I just safety,

4853
06:51:38,560 --> 06:51:40,000
this safety for, you know,

4854
06:51:40,120 --> 06:51:41,280
for the lake and we don't want to be dumping

4855
06:51:41,280 --> 06:51:43,500
oil and things like that in there.

4856
06:51:43,940 --> 06:51:46,440
So, I think it's about it.

4857
06:51:46,460 --> 06:51:48,040
I think this will, you know,

4858
06:51:48,080 --> 06:51:50,860
we're just trying to finish out what we started

4859
06:51:50,860 --> 06:51:51,700
a long time ago.

4860
06:51:51,920 --> 06:51:52,160
So thanks.

4861
06:51:54,840 --> 06:51:55,100
Okay.

4862
06:51:56,700 --> 06:51:57,740
Thank you very much.

4863
06:51:58,560 --> 06:52:06,000
With that, we're going to close the public hearing portion and I want to go to the District

4864
06:52:06,000 --> 06:52:11,420
Commission, Commissioner, we have two votes, one for the semi-private vote ramp,

4865
06:52:11,420 --> 06:52:15,460
two and the three is the Conservation Area MPAT.

4866
06:52:16,480 --> 06:52:18,120
Do you have a potential motion?

4867
06:52:27,710 --> 06:52:28,390
Commissioner Crab.

4868
06:52:28,590 --> 06:52:32,550
For the engineer possibly, just wondering for the variance on the 25 foot, it looks like there

4869
06:52:32,550 --> 06:52:36,530
The room on that to move that down, but why are we having to ask for that variance?

4870
06:52:39,040 --> 06:52:42,760
So the original purpose of the fact had the lines going in the parcels in the Cinder Lake,

4871
06:52:42,860 --> 06:52:49,400
which is now a submersal land, the actual corner changes in an angle, and nobody thought

4872
06:52:49,400 --> 06:52:55,080
about it when they went through the entire LUP until all they had to do was just turn a little

4873
06:52:55,080 --> 06:53:00,580
three foot strip of land, 10 degrees to the left, it's a technicality.

4874
06:53:01,120 --> 06:53:03,620
There's, you know, we've done everything we can.

4875
06:53:03,640 --> 06:53:05,960
That person's in support of the application.

4876
06:53:06,660 --> 06:53:09,780
They're also up much higher than the surrounding lands.

4877
06:53:10,620 --> 06:53:13,140
So I think it was just a simply look over.

4878
06:53:13,420 --> 06:53:15,060
All they have to do is change out one little angle.

4879
06:53:15,220 --> 06:53:15,620
A little bit.

4880
06:53:15,740 --> 06:53:16,780
We wouldn't be having a conversation.

4881
06:53:20,020 --> 06:53:20,160
All right.

4882
06:53:20,300 --> 06:53:22,400
Commissioner Wilson will do to see first.

4883
06:53:23,120 --> 06:53:24,440
I actually asked some questions also.

4884
06:53:24,480 --> 06:53:28,360
I had a time just understanding this is this is controversial.

4885
06:53:28,580 --> 06:53:30,800
This has been a conversation for years.

4886
06:53:31,800 --> 06:53:39,040
The withdrawal of the original application happens after I was elected before I was sworn in.

4887
06:53:40,240 --> 06:53:45,280
So I guess my question is for staff that was here longer. Why did they withdraw the application that

4888
06:53:45,280 --> 06:53:52,360
developer if there was an intent to do this knowing that they had sold this to residents?

4889
06:53:52,360 --> 06:53:52,360
I

4890
06:53:57,130 --> 06:53:59,270
think we're that question commissioner.

4891
06:53:59,910 --> 06:54:05,770
The applicant actually did a site a reason as to the withdrawal, but I do know that Scott

4892
06:54:05,770 --> 06:54:08,290
better sent him to give you a reason for that.

4893
06:54:09,010 --> 06:54:11,250
I wasn't part of the original as you're in design team.

4894
06:54:11,450 --> 06:54:15,130
That was a happy and major stage to you and another friend of mine Scott Sterns with Jones

4895
06:54:16,310 --> 06:54:16,750
Holmes.

4896
06:54:16,910 --> 06:54:22,010
You know, it's my understanding from what I've heard and experienced is that sales were going

4897
06:54:22,010 --> 06:54:25,490
very fast and I understand they had a public meeting.

4898
06:54:25,970 --> 06:54:31,890
And if sales are going fast and you can get out and not have to waste your time fighting things,

4899
06:54:32,550 --> 06:54:35,130
then you leave them and then you hand the problem over to the HOA.

4900
06:54:35,390 --> 06:54:36,510
I think it's a great injustice.

4901
06:54:37,450 --> 06:54:38,570
I don't know about it, justices.

4902
06:54:38,870 --> 06:54:39,070
Yeah.

4903
06:54:39,190 --> 06:54:48,530
Well, it makes the statement accurate to the resident who said that they were met with concerns over the quality back then,

4904
06:54:48,610 --> 06:54:52,670
and knew that they were going to be up against potential questions about the impacts

4905
06:54:52,670 --> 06:54:57,970
and didn't want to go about that. It just makes me feel for the residents that were

4906
06:54:57,970 --> 06:54:59,970
assured something that...

4907
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:23,540
You know, Orange County takes, I take that pretty seriously that somebody out there represented something. In the meantime, and I don't know if this was still under the developers watch, but I would like to get more information about the notice of violation. I guess there was some wetland impacts and evaluation that had already happened in the neighborhood, along with shoreline, through EPD.

4908
06:55:23,540 --> 06:55:25,780
I could probably speak to that a little bit as well.

4909
06:55:26,000 --> 06:55:30,680
Just look like people had already cleared it during the original construction, and essentially...

4910
06:55:30,680 --> 06:55:33,460
Can I just want to hear from staff though, because it was an EPD violation.

4911
06:55:33,520 --> 06:55:35,140
It wasn't through the state or it

4912
06:55:51,840 --> 06:55:53,400
was...

4913
06:55:53,400 --> 06:55:59,420
So there were some boats being launched without authorization to have a ramp.

4914
06:56:00,360 --> 06:56:04,200
There was an enforcement case staff went out and met with them.

4915
06:56:04,740 --> 06:56:07,640
There was a restoration plan and that was implemented.

4916
06:56:07,640 --> 06:56:17,540
Okay, so when I did, I did pull the shoreline restoration plan and it does call for the

4917
06:56:17,540 --> 06:56:22,420
number of plantings and restoration to that area.

4918
06:56:22,900 --> 06:56:28,760
Is this the exact area that would be torn up again for the potential grant project?

4919
06:56:30,240 --> 06:56:36,380
I don't know the precise location where they had disturbed the vegetation right now,

4920
06:56:39,020 --> 06:56:47,280
So, the notice of violation was issued in 2021, it looks like Liz Johnson signed off on it,

4921
06:56:47,980 --> 06:56:53,740
and there was a requirement for them to have a restoration plan.

4922
06:56:54,600 --> 06:56:58,840
What did EP do as far as follow up on that plan and the restoration?

4923
06:56:59,220 --> 06:57:01,460
Do we know if that was complete and satisfied?

4924
06:57:02,580 --> 06:57:06,040
And I would say holistically, I just have a really hard time knowing that there was violations

4925
06:57:06,040 --> 06:57:13,660
by an entity that's now seeking permission to, you know, essentially remove the portion of the

4926
06:57:14,280 --> 06:57:14,720
shoreline.

4927
06:57:15,700 --> 06:57:18,480
I'm not sure what the current status of that case is commissioner.

4928
06:57:18,780 --> 06:57:20,780
I have to, I'd have to dig into it.

4929
06:57:21,460 --> 06:57:25,620
So, Commissioner, are you saying that the, the relation was given today, Troy?

4930
06:57:25,700 --> 06:57:26,080
Yes.

4931
06:57:26,100 --> 06:57:33,660
To have long COVID, Troy, and it was by PD, it was within, it looks like a six-note period, potentially

4932
06:57:33,660 --> 06:57:37,660
with withdrawal of their applications. I don't know if it's related, but I know that there was a violation for

4933
06:57:39,000 --> 06:57:49,820
what looks like wetland, notice the violation for some damage to the wetlands there, and their corrective actions were that they would be

4934
06:57:51,880 --> 06:57:57,640
providing a shoreline restoration plan, but there's very little follow-up on what that means.

4935
06:57:57,640 --> 06:58:02,620
And for me, I think it's really important, especially hearing about the quality of the

4936
06:58:02,620 --> 06:58:07,920
slate and understanding that there is no unlike many of other lake systems where we

4937
06:58:07,920 --> 06:58:13,420
have a citizen review panel that oversees it in a taxing mechanism that everybody chips

4938
06:58:13,420 --> 06:58:18,980
into to make sure that they can correct things where we do have bad actors not correcting

4939
06:58:18,980 --> 06:58:19,780
their own problems.

4940
06:58:20,160 --> 06:58:24,420
They don't have any of those mechanisms here, so I wanted to find out what EPD is done to

4941
06:58:24,420 --> 06:58:32,020
make sure that this particular entity is doing what they say they're doing if they haven't

4942
06:58:32,020 --> 06:58:32,500
in the past.

4943
06:58:32,620 --> 06:58:35,600
I think that's an indication that we already have problems in the future and that makes me

4944
06:58:35,600 --> 06:58:39,500
very hesitant to move through the action I've been approved.

4945
06:58:41,180 --> 06:58:46,760
So our CRAT EPD staff does have an update for you about that.

4946
06:58:46,760 --> 06:58:54,400
The restoration plan was implemented and then our normal follow-up with them is if somebody completes

4947
06:58:54,400 --> 06:59:02,100
the restoration. We send a no further action letter. So we sent that to them on January 5, 2022

4948
06:59:03,160 --> 06:59:09,120
saying that the restoration had been completed. Okay, so but just so I understand our oversight

4949
06:59:09,780 --> 06:59:15,160
there because it also came with, you know, this application comes with the indication that they'll

4950
06:59:15,160 --> 06:59:20,360
provide water quality monitoring. What does that mean? Is that all the honor system? Or is there

4951
06:59:20,360 --> 06:59:27,080
somebody that actually makes sure that that's done in a timely fashion and what happens

4952
06:59:27,080 --> 06:59:32,280
if the quality changes, who then does pay for that remediation knowing that this is, you

4953
06:59:32,280 --> 06:59:40,400
know, this is a turbidity and there's, I mean, the action alone of construction and then

4954
06:59:40,400 --> 06:59:46,360
on top of that, the end and now. So just trying to fund out the oversight in that shoreline, especially

4955
06:59:46,360 --> 06:59:49,400
shoreline that is now those residents have paid for restoration.

4956
06:59:51,120 --> 06:59:59,700
So, typically the water quality monitoring plans during boat ramp construction is a weekly

4957
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:14,140
Monitoring, they take background, usually out in the middle of a baseline established, and then they do their monitoring during construction just outside the construction and within the construction of this contained by a floating turbidity curtain.

4958
07:00:14,920 --> 07:00:28,320
They would send those results to us on a schedule. And if anything is above, if it exceeds the standards that are allowed, then construction should completely stop.

4959
07:00:28,320 --> 07:00:33,860
And they should, they and staff will coordinate on a remedial action.

4960
07:00:34,820 --> 07:00:39,480
There are treatments that they can do to settle the solids down out of the water.

4961
07:00:40,320 --> 07:00:48,360
And then, once the quality returns to a level outside the construction that does not exceed the allowance,

4962
07:00:48,500 --> 07:00:50,180
then they can resume their construction.

4963
07:00:51,740 --> 07:00:56,100
So, relying again, though, on self-reporting, correct?

4964
07:00:56,100 --> 07:00:57,960
That's true, from,

4965
07:01:00,040 --> 07:01:07,800
so I clearly am stating that I have concerns about this impact, the approval

4966
07:01:07,800 --> 07:01:14,240
of an impact permit in this case, very specific to, I think, a certain set of circumstances

4967
07:01:14,240 --> 07:01:15,100
in this lake.

4968
07:01:16,860 --> 07:01:25,680
So, at this time, I would make a motion to deny the CAI as an infinite action in the hopes

4969
07:01:25,680 --> 07:01:28,900
I can get support from the board for denial of that action.

4970
07:01:32,460 --> 07:01:32,980
All right.

4971
07:01:33,120 --> 07:01:35,080
There's a motion for denial.

4972
07:01:35,480 --> 07:01:37,740
Secondary Commission of Scott.

4973
07:01:38,840 --> 07:01:41,020
All in favor, let it be known by saying aye.

4974
07:01:41,720 --> 07:01:42,220
Opposed?

4975
07:01:43,600 --> 07:01:43,840
All right.

4976
07:01:44,000 --> 07:01:44,840
Motion passes.

4977
07:01:45,360 --> 07:01:46,900
And it is unanimous.

4978
07:01:48,680 --> 07:01:50,640
And with that.

4979
07:01:52,480 --> 07:01:53,380
It's without.

4980
07:01:54,140 --> 07:01:57,060
There need a motion on the boat ramp.

4981
07:02:03,840 --> 07:02:09,260
Yeah, George M. And you had to, I think, press that button yourself to speak. There you go.

4982
07:02:09,520 --> 07:02:15,840
Yeah, I want to. I believe the staff report has indicated that without without a approval of the

4983
07:02:15,840 --> 07:02:22,480
boat ramp, I mean the C.I. the boat ramp cannot be constructed. So the denial of

4984
07:02:24,200 --> 07:02:26,780
the C.I. is denial of the boat ramp.

4985
07:02:30,110 --> 07:02:34,730
I think that's the end. Yeah, you have a question? Yeah,

4986
07:02:34,730 --> 07:02:38,170
I don't know what happens next, but I guess my question is,

4987
07:02:38,250 --> 07:02:41,030
it sounds like there's a procedural problem, you know,

4988
07:02:41,090 --> 07:02:42,270
and how do you do the checks?

4989
07:02:42,830 --> 07:02:43,470
Like how does that work?

4990
07:02:44,050 --> 07:02:46,730
Like if you rely on us to give you, you know,

4991
07:02:47,170 --> 07:02:48,790
we're going to volunteer and give you the information

4992
07:02:48,790 --> 07:02:49,850
on the water quality.

4993
07:02:50,390 --> 07:02:53,430
But it sounds like, you know, these, it sounds like there's,

4994
07:02:53,690 --> 07:02:54,390
it's something, it's something, it's something, it's something.

4995
07:02:54,390 --> 07:02:55,650
So, Teelem, probably, yeah.

4996
07:02:55,810 --> 07:02:56,310
I'm sorry.

4997
07:02:56,910 --> 07:03:00,530
Teelem, please follow up with the gentleman and Howard.

4998
07:03:00,770 --> 07:03:03,490
Someone, who's here from OPED with you?

4999
07:03:10,140 --> 07:03:10,400
Yes.

5000
07:03:12,260 --> 07:03:15,740
You know, Jenna, what were you saying?

5001
07:03:15,920 --> 07:03:22,380
I'm asking Commissioner Wilson to make a motion on the boat ramp to the effect of the denial to effectuate the denial.

5002
07:03:22,820 --> 07:03:28,140
So it's clear for the clerk what the action is on the second boat ramp application.

5003
07:03:29,820 --> 07:03:32,720
Commissioner Wilson, I entertain the motion.

5004
07:03:35,500 --> 07:03:36,480
This is what a boat ramp.

5005
07:03:39,070 --> 07:03:40,390
Yes, all right.

5006
07:03:40,390 --> 07:03:46,390
Make a motion to deny the, deny BR 23, 12001.

5007
07:03:47,590 --> 07:03:48,290
All right.

5008
07:03:48,350 --> 07:03:49,590
There's a motion on a second.

5009
07:03:49,670 --> 07:03:51,530
The second is Commissioner Scott.

5010
07:03:52,010 --> 07:03:54,170
All in favour of that to be known by saying aye.

5011
07:03:54,570 --> 07:03:54,590
Aye.

5012
07:03:54,590 --> 07:03:58,810
Opposed no motion passes and it is unanimous.

5013
07:04:03,220 --> 07:04:03,340
All right.

5014
07:04:03,480 --> 07:04:09,700
We're going to move now to item D4.

5015
07:04:10,300 --> 07:04:12,580
We're open the public hearing on this item.

5016
07:04:13,660 --> 07:04:18,360
Stale Mula is going to be frame in this item with that true recognized.

5017
07:04:20,670 --> 07:04:21,570
Thank you, Mayor.

5018
07:04:38,640 --> 07:04:39,340
Check your difficulties.

5019
07:05:06,220 --> 07:05:07,660
Just one moment please.

5020
07:05:18,570 --> 07:05:27,990
All right. This is item K CDR 2603057. This is an amendment to the Orlando International Hotel Plan Development.

5021
07:05:27,990 --> 07:05:36,550
Low property is generally located west of Universal Boulevard east of I drive south of Sand Lake.

5022
07:05:37,210 --> 07:05:43,990
This is a PD substantial change to amend the master sign plan and to request four waivers and code.

5023
07:05:43,990 --> 07:05:53,090
waivers listed here are for two new tenant buildings within the entertainment center development.

5024
07:05:53,690 --> 07:06:04,130
These allow for some flexibility in code for some additional copy area and additional number of wall signs per face for each of the proposed developments.

5025
07:06:04,130 --> 07:06:10,050
sites located in District 6. Here we have the Future Landy SMAP properties designated

5026
07:06:10,050 --> 07:06:16,610
commercial on the Future Landy SMAP and as previously mentioned it is owned PD as the

5027
07:06:16,610 --> 07:06:22,710
and Orlando International Hotel PD. Here we have aerial of the site property more commonly

5028
07:06:22,710 --> 07:06:29,910
alone as icon park. And here we have a copy of the signage plan. You can see buildings

5029
07:06:29,910 --> 07:06:36,770
be three and D2 highlighted those are the locations of the buildings with that are subject

5030
07:06:36,770 --> 07:06:40,250
to the signage waivers within this entertainment complex area.

5031
07:06:42,370 --> 07:06:45,510
And with that, the recommendation is to make a fine new consistency with the conference

5032
07:06:45,510 --> 07:06:51,730
of plan and approve the amendment to the Orlando International Hotel PD subject to the conditions

5033
07:06:51,730 --> 07:06:54,490
listed under the DRC recommendation on the staff report.

5034
07:06:55,190 --> 07:06:57,430
And with that staff in the applicant are available for questions.

5035
07:06:57,430 --> 07:06:59,950
All right, thank you, sir.

5036
07:07:01,670 --> 07:07:03,210
Is the applicant on the side of the President?

5037
07:07:03,610 --> 07:07:04,330
All right.

5038
07:07:05,070 --> 07:07:06,570
I invite you to the mic.

5039
07:07:07,810 --> 07:07:08,510
Good afternoon, Mayor.

5040
07:07:08,850 --> 07:07:11,370
Commissioners, John Townsend, with L.J.

5041
07:07:12,450 --> 07:07:14,510
Engineering 101 South Hull Drive,

5042
07:07:15,210 --> 07:07:15,810
Maryland, Florida.

5043
07:07:16,790 --> 07:07:17,330
We agree with that.

5044
07:07:17,550 --> 07:07:18,310
Recommendations are heard.

5045
07:07:18,450 --> 07:07:19,610
Any questions you may have?

5046
07:07:21,550 --> 07:07:23,710
All right, Mr. Townsend, if you'll stand by.

5047
07:07:25,760 --> 07:07:27,400
And do we have members of the public presence?

5048
07:07:27,400 --> 07:07:28,980
Who should be heard on this item?

5049
07:07:32,160 --> 07:07:33,880
We have no speakers for this item, Mayor.

5050
07:07:35,060 --> 07:07:36,840
All right, then we're going to close the public hearing.

5051
07:07:37,940 --> 07:07:40,600
I'll go to Commissioner Scott, before we'll

5052
07:07:40,600 --> 07:07:41,380
potentially motion.

5053
07:07:44,200 --> 07:07:45,240
I don't know, we'll have a motion.

5054
07:07:45,620 --> 07:07:48,560
Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Yuribay.

5055
07:07:49,020 --> 07:07:51,320
All in favor, let it be known by saying aye.

5056
07:07:51,980 --> 07:07:53,180
We'll close no.

5057
07:07:53,640 --> 07:07:56,520
All right, motion passes, and it is unanimous.

5058
07:08:02,640 --> 07:08:03,140
Yes, sir.

5059
07:08:07,370 --> 07:08:09,470
Just for the benefit of those listening,

5060
07:08:09,470 --> 07:08:16,970
And this action allows us to designage for a build-a-bare workshop on icon park and blue

5061
07:08:16,970 --> 07:08:17,910
man group.

5062
07:08:18,450 --> 07:08:22,250
They've been waiting many, many months to be able to put a sign on their building so

5063
07:08:22,250 --> 07:08:27,050
I know that the tenants are happy, and I just want to make that known for the record.

5064
07:08:27,350 --> 07:08:27,930
Thank you.

5065
07:08:39,950 --> 07:08:40,210
Okay.

5066
07:08:41,050 --> 07:08:41,830
Thank you, sir.

5067
07:08:42,110 --> 07:08:49,050
Are we going to move them to D5 at this point over the public hearing on this item, Mr.

5068
07:08:49,050 --> 07:08:51,950
Thank you, Mayor.

5069
07:08:52,870 --> 07:08:56,130
This item is case CDR 2602032.

5070
07:08:56,130 --> 07:09:01,270
This one is an amendment to the Orangewood N1C World Vacation Village PD.

5071
07:09:01,990 --> 07:09:09,550
This was continued from our last board meeting in order to allow the applicant team to

5072
07:09:09,550 --> 07:09:14,890
have a conversation with the adjacent property owner, which I understand has occurred and

5073
07:09:14,890 --> 07:09:17,910
we might hear about when the applicant gives their presentation.

5074
07:09:17,910 --> 07:09:24,370
But generally, the sites located north side of C. Harbor Drive south of Westwood, off I. Drive.

5075
07:09:24,910 --> 07:09:30,130
And the request here is to convert some of the PD entitlements for this particular parcel.

5076
07:09:30,770 --> 07:09:41,210
Converting 362,000 square feet of office uses into the typical of 1124 multi-family units.

5077
07:09:42,330 --> 07:09:48,810
site located in District 1, designated activity center mixed use on the county's future

5078
07:09:48,810 --> 07:09:54,030
land use map indicating it's within the iDrive activity center, which is the area identified

5079
07:09:54,030 --> 07:09:59,150
as intended to concentrate tourist commercial type activities.

5080
07:10:00,000 --> 07:10:04,900
And work for support of housing for those industries. As previously mentioned, property is

5081
07:10:04,900 --> 07:10:10,820
owned PD, plan development district, which is requirement within that I drive activity center

5082
07:10:10,820 --> 07:10:15,840
overlay. Here we have an aerial map. Properties currently developed with an office building

5083
07:10:15,840 --> 07:10:22,080
and parking structure. As mentioned, the proposal is to confer the office uses that office

5084
07:10:22,080 --> 07:10:29,940
building is posed to be removed and redeveloped with a multi-family development. I will note

5085
07:10:29,940 --> 07:10:43,140
that on the site plan that the applicant is submitted that is currently under review, the parking structure remains and the apartment project is proposed to be constructed around it and incorporating it into the project.

5086
07:10:43,580 --> 07:10:58,580
I will also note that while that trip equivalent conversion from the entitlement perspective equals out to those 1124 units, the applicant is on that site plan proposing about 679 units.

5087
07:10:58,580 --> 07:11:02,040
unclear if that'll be the final count, but that's currently with the site plan shows.

5088
07:11:02,580 --> 07:11:07,700
I will also cite that while I mentioned it is from a total perspective, a trip

5089
07:11:07,700 --> 07:11:11,240
neutral conversion, there is still the requirement through the development of the process

5090
07:11:11,240 --> 07:11:17,780
that we have in traffic operational analysis to identify any potential traffic safety improvements

5091
07:11:17,780 --> 07:11:19,360
that might be triggered by the development.

5092
07:11:20,140 --> 07:11:27,920
Here we have the overall PDLandies plan, affected area highlighted in red, along with the entitlements

5093
07:11:27,920 --> 07:11:32,960
and development standards, and with all of that said, recommendation here is to make a

5094
07:11:32,960 --> 07:11:36,580
finding consistency with the conference plan and approve the amendment to the Orange

5095
07:11:36,580 --> 07:11:42,420
Wood N1C World Vacation Village PD subject to the conditions approval listed under the

5096
07:11:42,420 --> 07:11:46,780
DRC recommendation in the staff report, and with that staff in the applicant are available for

5097
07:11:46,780 --> 07:11:47,200
questions.

5098
07:11:48,720 --> 07:11:48,800
All right.

5099
07:11:48,880 --> 07:11:49,560
Thank you, sir.

5100
07:11:50,120 --> 07:11:51,980
Is the applicant on this item present?

5101
07:11:52,640 --> 07:11:52,720
Yes.

5102
07:11:53,000 --> 07:11:53,980
It's coming forward.

5103
07:11:54,940 --> 07:11:56,940
Good afternoon, Mayor and commissioners.

5104
07:11:57,100 --> 07:11:58,820
Rebecca Wilson, 2015, Northeal,

5105
07:11:58,840 --> 07:12:00,840
the drive here on behalf of the applicant.

5106
07:12:01,820 --> 07:12:04,020
Mayor, we missed you at the last meeting.

5107
07:12:04,100 --> 07:12:09,100
We were here on August 4th and we were ready for an approval

5108
07:12:09,100 --> 07:12:16,740
to convert this eight story, 362,000 square feet of an office

5109
07:12:16,740 --> 07:12:20,540
building to the multifamily use.

5110
07:12:20,540 --> 07:12:24,980
At that time, see world asks for a continuance for three weeks.

5111
07:12:25,520 --> 07:12:30,980
We agreed to that continuance, we've met with them and answered questions that they posed

5112
07:12:30,980 --> 07:12:31,580
to us.

5113
07:12:31,960 --> 07:12:34,980
We're back today requesting approval.

5114
07:12:35,740 --> 07:12:45,240
We're asking to utilize the transportation equivalency matrix to convert 428 PMP trips of office

5115
07:12:45,240 --> 07:12:54,260
to 427 pmp trips of multifamily, which as your staff said is consistent with the existing future

5116
07:12:54,260 --> 07:12:56,180
land use and all of your county regulations.

5117
07:12:56,860 --> 07:12:59,460
I have a full presentation to give you all.

5118
07:12:59,880 --> 07:13:05,600
I know it is late in the day, so if you don't mind Mayor, I will just reserve the rest of my time

5119
07:13:06,160 --> 07:13:10,100
for a rebuttal and happy to answer any questions that you all may have.

5120
07:13:10,660 --> 07:13:16,620
Okay. I'm okay with that as long as the board is okay with that. Thank you.

5121
07:13:16,780 --> 07:13:22,870
All right. We'll open it up for public comment. Do we have a lot of public

5122
07:13:22,870 --> 07:13:27,930
present? We should be heard on this item. We do, Mayor. We have a handful of

5123
07:13:27,930 --> 07:13:34,270
individuals signed up to speak for this. What is a handful? One, two, three. Sorry,

5124
07:13:34,290 --> 07:13:41,470
there's some time being dedicated. Four speakers with one speaker that is going to

5125
07:13:42,410 --> 07:13:46,450
All right, folks, I'm going to call your names, well, in one big batch, I'm going to do

5126
07:13:46,450 --> 07:13:50,530
please line up along the back wall, Coach Spodium in the order called when you do, please

5127
07:13:50,530 --> 07:13:52,350
begin with your name and address for the record.

5128
07:13:52,970 --> 07:13:56,570
First speaker is going to be Chris, what, oh, sorry.

5129
07:13:57,270 --> 07:14:03,890
First speaker is going to be Will Hawthorne, and Will looks like you have one minute

5130
07:14:03,890 --> 07:14:04,770
in addition,

5131
07:14:08,620 --> 07:14:10,980
and actually I'm a spoke, there are going to be two speakers.

5132
07:14:10,980 --> 07:14:14,300
next speaker is going to be Derek Bruce and Derek. You're going to have additional four minutes.

5133
07:14:16,020 --> 07:14:23,360
Okay, thank you. Will Hawthorne, BHB, 225, East Robinson Street, Orlando, Florida, 3-2-8-0-1.

5134
07:14:23,760 --> 07:14:28,420
Mayor and commissioners, thank you for the opportunity to be here and get on record that

5135
07:14:28,420 --> 07:14:33,300
our clients see world has asked us, our company, to form their own traffic impact analysis.

5136
07:14:33,960 --> 07:14:40,240
We started that 13 days ago and we are working as fervently and as diligently as we can,

5137
07:14:40,240 --> 07:14:46,760
get that done. This study is going to take into account not only the weekday trips but we

5138
07:14:46,760 --> 07:14:52,880
can as well as pedestrian embites and it's something that our client wants to make sure

5139
07:14:52,880 --> 07:14:59,120
that whatever change happens here that impacts our mitigated and or minimize it all cost.

5140
07:15:00,370 --> 07:15:05,190
Being the nature of their business, theme park, their busy time drone, a weekend.

5141
07:15:06,050 --> 07:15:10,590
So looking at it from just a weekday, cannot always give you the full picture.

5142
07:15:10,830 --> 07:15:12,950
So that's what we're including in our study.

5143
07:15:13,550 --> 07:15:21,710
As well as we're taking a look at the signal for analytics data, which is a comprehensive list of all of the vehicular traffic accidents,

5144
07:15:22,610 --> 07:15:25,630
as well as the pedestrian incidents going back five years.

5145
07:15:25,790 --> 07:15:27,490
So that's going to be included in our study.

5146
07:15:27,490 --> 07:15:32,970
And it's something that, like I said, these things take time, and unfortunately, I think

5147
07:15:32,970 --> 07:15:37,130
we'll be done in about 30 to 40 days, but just wanted to get on record, they have

5148
07:15:37,130 --> 07:15:39,650
engaged us to do that, and we're working as fast as we can.

5149
07:15:40,370 --> 07:15:41,710
Thank you.

5150
07:15:42,150 --> 07:15:42,330
All right.

5151
07:15:42,410 --> 07:15:43,430
Thank you.

5152
07:15:45,110 --> 07:15:47,130
Mr. Bruce, the Uninex person.

5153
07:15:50,300 --> 07:15:53,960
And Derek, just for clarification, you actually have six minutes dedicated to you, you'll have

5154
07:15:53,960 --> 07:15:54,360
to relate.

5155
07:15:54,860 --> 07:15:55,060
Okay.

5156
07:15:55,320 --> 07:15:55,960
Thank you so

5157
07:15:58,610 --> 07:15:58,810
much.

5158
07:15:58,810 --> 07:16:06,810
We have a presentation that asked miles to bring up, but in a while we wait for it.

5159
07:16:07,250 --> 07:16:11,410
Before I begin I want to take a moment of personal privilege, Mayor Demings, in a few short

5160
07:16:11,890 --> 07:16:16,570
weeks, you'll reclaim one of the most treasured titles in our society and that is private

5161
07:16:16,570 --> 07:16:17,050
citizen.

5162
07:16:18,030 --> 07:16:23,270
This is likely to be the last time I address you at a meeting of the Board of County Commissioners.

5163
07:16:23,270 --> 07:16:30,830
I want to let you know how much of a joy it's been to work with you and Mr. Brooks and the team that you all have assembled around you.

5164
07:16:31,410 --> 07:16:38,230
We haven't always agreed on everything, but the manner in which you've led our region through a global health crisis,

5165
07:16:38,510 --> 07:16:47,210
as well as tremendous economic and political growth, population growth, and even shared your health journey has been a model of wisdom, thoughtfulness, and dignity.

5166
07:16:47,210 --> 07:16:49,710
You serves as a world model for many.

5167
07:16:50,210 --> 07:16:55,210
Myself included, so I want to say thank you and acknowledge that your successor will have the issues to fill.

5168
07:16:55,690 --> 07:16:56,950
All right, thank you very much.

5169
07:16:58,650 --> 07:17:02,190
Derek Bruce, with the Gunster Law firm on behalf of SeaWorld,

5170
07:17:18,820 --> 07:17:24,720
and you did hear that the last time we were here that we did request the continuance.

5171
07:17:25,000 --> 07:17:28,040
It wasn't a three week continuance that we asked for.

5172
07:17:28,040 --> 07:17:33,840
We asked for a more significant amount of time to allow for some work to be done.

5173
07:17:34,240 --> 07:17:37,840
And we're here to make a similar request today and ask for a 60-day continued.

5174
07:17:39,860 --> 07:17:43,280
I'll start by asking the question, what's the rush?

5175
07:17:44,060 --> 07:17:50,400
We're requesting this continuance because we need adequate time for full evaluation of whether

5176
07:17:50,400 --> 07:17:54,360
this proposed conversion alliance would be adopted, compliant.

5177
07:17:54,360 --> 07:18:03,140
It's combatable with the with the neighbor and uses and and the neighbors including C-world and the ad-drive overlaid and

5178
07:18:03,140 --> 07:18:05,340
And we need to analyze as you heard

5179
07:18:06,260 --> 07:18:12,700
Mr. Mr. Arthur and say the adequacy of the traffic systems and the you and the infrastructure around it

5180
07:18:14,760 --> 07:18:15,400
Without

5181
07:18:15,400 --> 07:18:22,120
Detailing without going to into each prong. There's there's really no dispute that this is a

5182
07:18:22,120 --> 07:18:25,760
significant and a substantial under the stat under the ordinance.

5183
07:18:26,260 --> 07:18:34,160
Substantial change from what's there currently, and office building that would be converted to,

5184
07:18:34,160 --> 07:18:36,360
as many as 1124 units.

5185
07:18:38,360 --> 07:18:42,940
And because this is substantial, the code requires plans, supporting data,

5186
07:18:43,220 --> 07:18:46,560
DRC review, and a public hearing in front of the board.

5187
07:18:47,820 --> 07:18:51,220
What have we done since we were last here in front of the board?

5188
07:18:52,060 --> 07:18:57,240
We've met the applicant on multiple occasions to learn more about their plans and share our concerns.

5189
07:18:57,860 --> 07:19:07,280
We received a 250 page traffic impact analysis on August 17th and we observed what we believe

5190
07:19:07,280 --> 07:19:11,640
to be flaws in that analysis and you heard Mr. Hawthorne alluded to it earlier.

5191
07:19:13,280 --> 07:19:28,500
This area is unique, the typically you look at peak traffic on weekdays, but this is the tourism corridor, anchored by the Crown Jewel of Orange County Government, the Orange County Convention Center.

5192
07:19:28,500 --> 07:19:38,400
And the traffic there very often and because of this specific area is on weekend nights,

5193
07:19:38,420 --> 07:19:42,060
especially there at Sea Harbor Drive and International Drive.

5194
07:19:43,380 --> 07:19:46,640
We've also met with area stakeholders and county staff.

5195
07:19:48,140 --> 07:19:59,370
We know we have commissioners, both Wilson and Scott, who have residents on and business stakeholders.

5196
07:19:59,370 --> 07:19:59,710
stakeholders.

5197
07:20:00,240 --> 07:20:03,560
That would be impacted by this.

5198
07:20:06,080 --> 07:20:32,240
When we were last here, Commissioner Cordero Gomez Cordero asked, hey, it's three weeks enough. And the short answer to that is no. The BCC can and should continue this hearing for 60 days. And that is allowable under both your code as well as Florida statute 125.6668, which says, consideration of our proposed county ordinance or county resolution.

5199
07:20:32,260 --> 07:20:42,040
and a properly-noticed meeting may be continued to a subsequent meeting if at the schedule meeting the date time in place of the subsequent meeting of his public.

5200
07:20:42,240 --> 07:20:52,580
Case law also supports this. There's the Shaunasi versus Metropolitan Date County case where we're just talks about the ability to continue.

5201
07:20:52,580 --> 07:21:01,020
The pain versus city of Miami case is really, really interesting, 52, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7.

5202
07:21:01,520 --> 07:21:09,240
In that case, the city of Miami Commission recognized the need for additional information and additional study.

5203
07:21:09,760 --> 07:21:16,500
But still, when it had an approved a land use change anyway, and it got reversed on appeal.

5204
07:21:16,500 --> 07:21:32,720
And part of what the, what the court recognized is that when there, when there is a need for additional information and additional study on impacts, the more defensible course is deferral, which is similar to what we're requesting here.

5205
07:21:35,540 --> 07:21:40,540
The Orange County Code requires compatibility with adjacent property and land uses.

5206
07:21:40,880 --> 07:21:43,260
The uses must be in a manner compatible,

5207
07:21:45,300 --> 07:21:48,320
and we submit that there's not a clear answer

5208
07:21:48,320 --> 07:21:52,680
that this is compatible, and we'll talk about that a little more in just a little bit.

5209
07:21:53,320 --> 07:21:57,660
The overall project has to be evaluated in conjunction with the remaining portions of the PD,

5210
07:21:58,820 --> 07:22:02,780
and it must consider the relationship between the present for posesone classification

5211
07:22:02,780 --> 07:22:05,680
and conserving the value of the property in the area.

5212
07:22:07,340 --> 07:22:11,500
I've just laid out your section 30, F and G requirements.

5213
07:22:12,660 --> 07:22:15,520
And here's what we're looking at.

5214
07:22:16,120 --> 07:22:19,080
This conversion is likely to dramatically alter

5215
07:22:19,080 --> 07:22:22,220
pedestrian safety in the area traffic patterns

5216
07:22:22,220 --> 07:22:25,680
and we've talked about peak hour traffic generation.

5217
07:22:26,720 --> 07:22:29,940
You have a letter in your packet that

5218
07:22:29,940 --> 07:22:34,980
technologies, school capacity concerns from

5219
07:22:34,980 --> 07:22:36,340
from Orange County Public Schools.

5220
07:22:38,420 --> 07:22:40,560
From a residential standpoint,

5221
07:22:40,800 --> 07:22:44,100
is going to tax parts and recreation

5222
07:22:44,100 --> 07:22:45,600
as well as utility infrastructure,

5223
07:22:45,880 --> 07:22:47,420
or at least we need to study that.

5224
07:22:48,260 --> 07:22:50,260
And quite frankly, how will multi-family

5225
07:22:50,260 --> 07:22:53,440
residential in this specific area aligned with the

5226
07:22:53,440 --> 07:22:54,400
surrounding uses?

5227
07:22:54,420 --> 07:22:57,660
We submitted it may not align very well.

5228
07:23:00,020 --> 07:23:04,760
Mayer and Commissioners see World is a 24-hour, seven-day

5229
07:23:04,760 --> 07:23:11,360
week business with that operates relatively late as fireworks in the evening, and then

5230
07:23:11,360 --> 07:23:16,780
when the park closes, there's traffic that leaves, but it doesn't stop there.

5231
07:23:17,100 --> 07:23:23,580
Trucks come in through the night to clean the park and prepare all of its activities

5232
07:23:23,580 --> 07:23:24,420
for the next day.

5233
07:23:24,420 --> 07:23:34,040
The 1125 up to 1125 new units and residents directly across the street from there will predictably

5234
07:23:34,040 --> 07:23:45,340
result in calls to law enforcement about noise and not distracting people and keeping them from getting proper rest.

5235
07:23:46,020 --> 07:23:51,800
These are the types of things that we think are appropriate to be looked at and considered.

5236
07:23:51,800 --> 07:23:58,460
Even when we don't have the results of the transportation study, we talk.

5237
07:24:00,440 --> 07:24:04,740
And I'd like to finish by talking about a budding property owner's due process rights.

5238
07:24:06,020 --> 07:24:13,120
What we are allowed is a meaningful opportunity to participate in this discussion.

5239
07:24:13,120 --> 07:24:16,340
Meaningful participation meet requires time.

5240
07:24:16,680 --> 07:24:22,120
The opportunity to review the application and supporting data, retain and consult with expert professionals

5241
07:24:22,120 --> 07:24:26,900
which we've done and you've heard that analysis is underway, but it is going to take

5242
07:24:26,900 --> 07:24:31,140
a little more time, prepare our substantive testimony and then engage in dialogue.

5243
07:24:32,340 --> 07:24:36,780
In conclusion, these are the reasons for our request for continuance of note.

5244
07:24:36,780 --> 07:24:40,900
we've found no cases, after searching high and lower,

5245
07:24:41,100 --> 07:24:43,880
60-day continuance was successfully challenged.

5246
07:24:44,600 --> 07:24:46,340
There are however numerous examples

5247
07:24:46,820 --> 07:24:49,520
where proceedings without affording affected property owners

5248
07:24:49,520 --> 07:24:52,180
with meaningful opportunities to participate

5249
07:24:52,840 --> 07:24:54,980
have been deemed a denial of due process.

5250
07:24:55,660 --> 07:24:58,540
And so we respectfully request that the Board of County Commissioners

5251
07:24:58,540 --> 07:24:59,980
continue this hearing for six.

5252
07:25:00,000 --> 07:25:07,840
Today's to allow the county and adjacent property owners adequate time to properly assess the application for consistency with the compliant.

5253
07:25:08,580 --> 07:25:12,500
Thank you. And we're here to answer questions as well. Thank you.

5254
07:25:14,080 --> 07:25:15,040
Thank you, Mr. Bruce.

5255
07:25:18,600 --> 07:25:23,600
All right. Is the applicant still a president? There she is.

5256
07:25:28,860 --> 07:25:38,360
Mayor, the applicant is present. I just want to address a couple of things. First, with regard to a 60 day continuance,

5257
07:25:38,360 --> 07:25:40,540
We're not going to agree to a 60 day continuous.

5258
07:25:40,780 --> 07:25:42,820
We'd like an up and down vote today.

5259
07:25:43,320 --> 07:25:45,900
We've spent many months on this project.

5260
07:25:46,400 --> 07:25:49,660
They were aware of this project before August 4th.

5261
07:25:49,680 --> 07:25:52,980
When we called them and made ourselves available to answer questions,

5262
07:25:53,480 --> 07:25:56,280
we've been available to answer questions for the last three weeks.

5263
07:25:56,460 --> 07:25:58,640
And I'll tell you there aren't questions

5264
07:25:58,640 --> 07:26:00,340
that they are looking to get answered.

5265
07:26:01,500 --> 07:26:06,000
They are looking to drum up opposition and possibly have a different board.

5266
07:26:06,000 --> 07:26:12,140
And I guess Mayor also, in 60 days, which I think you've also done a great job, Mayor.

5267
07:26:12,180 --> 07:26:16,700
I want to put that on the record, but I'm going to see you in 60 days.

5268
07:26:17,720 --> 07:26:21,140
I'll save that speech for the last time.

5269
07:26:21,920 --> 07:26:22,900
I'm before you.

5270
07:26:23,240 --> 07:26:27,960
But just a couple of things that I just think were, I want to correct.

5271
07:26:28,300 --> 07:26:30,120
Well, this is how great the project is going to look.

5272
07:26:31,780 --> 07:26:44,140
So, there is, we provided them with our traffic analysis, we can go through all of this, but really what I wanted to point out is right here.

5273
07:26:44,680 --> 07:26:49,180
So, this is where there is a median cut and a connection.

5274
07:26:49,580 --> 07:26:53,040
Our property is on the north and sea world is on the south.

5275
07:26:53,040 --> 07:26:58,800
We are currently working with your county staff in order to put that's going to be a fully

5276
07:26:58,800 --> 07:27:01,280
signalized intersection there.

5277
07:27:01,960 --> 07:27:09,120
Our IDD is under review right now and so if my guess is that there will be things requested

5278
07:27:09,120 --> 07:27:15,980
such as a dedication for the location of the signal and I assume in the county's plans they're

5279
07:27:15,980 --> 07:27:17,100
also marked crosswalks.

5280
07:27:17,140 --> 07:27:22,380
I think it's important when we talk about pedestrian safety that that is occurring.

5281
07:27:22,380 --> 07:27:27,420
Also, when we talk about access, you can't see this is when you have a lawyer makes slides.

5282
07:27:28,120 --> 07:27:31,180
But our property is way up here, way up here.

5283
07:27:31,720 --> 07:27:36,580
This is where you enter to get into the entrance of C-World.

5284
07:27:36,760 --> 07:27:38,420
Down here on Central Florida Parkway.

5285
07:27:38,720 --> 07:27:41,900
It's all the traffic that they're worried about is going to come in on the weekends.

5286
07:27:42,380 --> 07:27:44,080
It's not up here, it's down here.

5287
07:27:44,440 --> 07:27:47,600
Now what you do have are five to six intersections,

5288
07:27:47,600 --> 07:27:53,920
sections, including the one that we're going to assist with adding a light to that allow

5289
07:27:53,920 --> 07:27:54,940
for exit.

5290
07:27:55,160 --> 07:27:58,540
So the exit traffic goes out that way.

5291
07:28:00,140 --> 07:28:05,680
We also have a bus stop in front of our site, which is wonderful for a compatibility with

5292
07:28:05,680 --> 07:28:06,700
multi-family.

5293
07:28:07,840 --> 07:28:13,200
And I also, I can go through the need for housing and all this, but what I find is the most

5294
07:28:13,200 --> 07:28:21,700
ironic is in 2012 see world sold this piece of property see world owned this right here right across

5295
07:28:21,700 --> 07:28:29,580
from them sold it to my client epic for $7 million in 2012. 2012 they didn't have a problem

5296
07:28:29,580 --> 07:28:36,340
with compatibility they didn't have a problem with traffic they they were happy to have multifamily

5297
07:28:36,340 --> 07:28:39,440
located within this PD.

5298
07:28:39,900 --> 07:28:44,640
In fact, SeaWorld built Aquatica right adjacent

5299
07:28:44,640 --> 07:28:47,400
to the neighborhood of Williamsburg.

5300
07:28:48,440 --> 07:28:52,180
So I would offer to you that multi-family not only

5301
07:28:52,180 --> 07:28:54,700
is a compatible use, it's a use that's

5302
07:28:54,700 --> 07:28:57,640
needed in our tourist corridor.

5303
07:28:59,240 --> 07:29:02,080
Additionally, the county has similarly approved another

5304
07:29:02,080 --> 07:29:11,800
multi-family. This is on Westwood with the exact same request before you and the exact same

5305
07:29:11,800 --> 07:29:17,940
materials before you. This is a project that is needed. It is a project that is compatible.

5306
07:29:18,620 --> 07:29:23,360
We had a unanimous approval from the Development Review Committee that we have provided

5307
07:29:23,360 --> 07:29:36,300
All of the necessary components for this application and I'm happy to answer any questions and would just like a vote of approval from you all today.

5308
07:29:39,090 --> 07:29:41,030
All right. Thank you, Mr Wilson.

5309
07:29:42,950 --> 07:29:47,110
I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing portion at this time.

5310
07:29:48,810 --> 07:29:54,770
and we do have questions or comments by members of the board before I go to the district

5311
07:29:54,770 --> 07:29:59,970
Commission and Commission of Wilson for a potential motion, with that, like...

5312
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:06,640
Commissioner, your rebate. Becky, is there any way to go back to the trips?

5313
07:30:10,910 --> 07:30:20,070
This is where we show the projected trip conversion. This is at the top. It's the 428 that is the office

5314
07:30:20,070 --> 07:30:25,350
number existing and then down at the bottom when you convert is the 427 we're requesting.

5315
07:30:25,350 --> 07:30:29,030
When you had one that talked about less peak, there we go.

5316
07:30:29,470 --> 07:30:29,490
Yes.

5317
07:30:29,530 --> 07:30:31,490
It's actually a reduction of trips.

5318
07:30:32,650 --> 07:30:32,730
Correct.

5319
07:30:33,070 --> 07:30:41,130
So this analysis is run on the IDD that we submitted, that was for the 679 somewhere,

5320
07:30:41,210 --> 07:30:42,310
670 something units.

5321
07:30:43,030 --> 07:30:47,770
And so it shows a reduction of AMP and a reduction of PMP.

5322
07:30:48,090 --> 07:30:55,330
Remember, this building had 2,000 employees in, so it hasn't just been

5323
07:30:55,330 --> 07:31:00,850
sitting there like it's vacant vacant land. Correct. And as someone who has sat in DRC meetings

5324
07:31:00,850 --> 07:31:05,630
when you've not been happy about traffic lights being ordered on a project, this is actually

5325
07:31:05,630 --> 07:31:12,790
huge investment on the developer for our traffic engineering and for safety for us. And to be clear,

5326
07:31:13,250 --> 07:31:18,650
the city and the sorry, the county is funding the light. We are assisting with the dedication of

5327
07:31:18,650 --> 07:31:23,830
Okay, fantastic. That's what I just wanted a clarity of point. Thank you.

5328
07:31:25,730 --> 07:31:30,650
All right, Commissioner Crab and then Commissioner Simran.

5329
07:31:32,190 --> 07:31:34,390
All right, thank you. Thank you very much.

5330
07:31:35,050 --> 07:31:37,390
Question, another new guy questions, sorry.

5331
07:31:38,410 --> 07:31:40,170
But this might be for over here.

5332
07:31:41,070 --> 07:31:47,510
You said earlier there has to be another county run study that we wouldn't necessarily use the one from sea world.

5333
07:31:47,510 --> 07:31:55,150
For traffic wise, I think Kenny's in here can speak to the operational analysis requirements.

5334
07:31:56,050 --> 07:31:59,910
There's a quest for an operational analysis study for that intersection.

5335
07:32:00,430 --> 07:32:06,310
Based on that in the results, the safety measures would come into play via its signalized intersection,

5336
07:32:08,230 --> 07:32:10,770
any additional other safety improvements along the way.

5337
07:32:11,190 --> 07:32:13,850
And is that just where the new light is or where would that be international drive?

5338
07:32:13,850 --> 07:32:19,990
And that is just for that specific location, which is C-harber and C-World intersection.

5339
07:32:20,570 --> 07:32:21,450
Where the new light's going to go.

5340
07:32:22,290 --> 07:32:29,170
And then I just want to make it clear to everyone where it says reduction of 150 AM peak trips

5341
07:32:29,170 --> 07:32:33,990
and reduction of 144 peak trips, PM peak trips.

5342
07:32:34,450 --> 07:32:35,390
That's for total.

5343
07:32:35,550 --> 07:32:40,410
However, the distribution is different for the AM and peak, I mean, for the in and out.

5344
07:32:40,410 --> 07:32:47,250
So, if you look at the table, I don't know if she wants to pull it up, but the table in the A.M. peak hour,

5345
07:32:47,650 --> 07:32:54,090
the out is not a negative, but it's a positive. So, it equates to a higher trip generation

5346
07:32:54,090 --> 07:33:02,350
for the out in the A.M. peak hour. I know it's getting really technical, but in the P.M. peak hour,

5347
07:33:02,670 --> 07:33:06,570
it generates a higher end and not a negative in trips.

5348
07:33:06,570 --> 07:33:12,270
I'm happy to put that on. If we're going to go down this to try to confuse everyone, I'll write that.

5349
07:33:12,270 --> 07:33:13,910
That's like you might want to see the table.

5350
07:33:15,110 --> 07:33:15,630
What

5351
07:33:27,850 --> 07:33:32,330
Susan was clarifying is it is a.

5352
07:33:32,330 --> 07:33:34,690
You may have to go back to the mic and somehow.

5353
07:33:35,830 --> 07:33:44,830
So what Susan is clarifying here is that the AM peak total is 150, which is what I said.

5354
07:33:44,830 --> 07:33:52,410
you agree with that Susan. And that the in is negative 313. Correct. And then that

5355
07:33:52,410 --> 07:33:57,150
AM out at that time is 163. Correct. That's what you're going to have to do.

5356
07:33:57,610 --> 07:34:02,850
Going from multi-family to office there are more people leaving in the morning and in the office

5357
07:34:02,850 --> 07:34:08,870
there are more people coming. And then just to opposite, opposite in the evening. But what I said was

5358
07:34:08,870 --> 07:34:14,810
still correct, there is an overall net reduction, which means fewer cars overall. Right. But I just

5359
07:34:14,810 --> 07:34:28,950
I want to make sure that that's not a false narrative, that it's a negative, because depending on the operation on analysis based on those data, it will determine if say you need additional left turn lane or whatever the results of the analysis is.

5360
07:34:29,590 --> 07:34:40,070
Absolutely. And so to be clear, an operational analysis is not required at the PD level but is required in conjunction with the approval of our IDD correct?

5361
07:34:40,070 --> 07:34:43,510
Yes, and that we have Marna if you need to

5362
07:34:43,510 --> 07:34:45,590
the additional information and have a traffic

5363
07:34:45,590 --> 07:34:50,330
and so Marna as part of the approved methodology,

5364
07:34:51,110 --> 07:34:54,810
we are actually required to study eight different intersections

5365
07:34:54,810 --> 07:34:58,350
in this area for that operational analysis.

5366
07:34:58,350 --> 07:34:59,970
And I'm not hurt.

5367
07:35:00,000 --> 07:35:03,780
Overly concerned with the morning trips, as you've already pointed out, the entrance to see

5368
07:35:03,780 --> 07:35:10,120
world is in the opposite side of that. And the PM ones could, could be an issue, but I did

5369
07:35:10,120 --> 07:35:16,100
me with both parties. And I appreciate their input and the information that they provided to me.

5370
07:35:16,280 --> 07:35:17,280
Thank you.

5371
07:35:21,650 --> 07:35:22,570
All right.

5372
07:35:27,050 --> 07:35:29,350
Commissioner Simmerhead.

5373
07:35:30,030 --> 07:35:37,050
Thank you, Mayor. So I had a question. So Susan, are the, are the chip count numbers based

5374
07:35:37,050 --> 07:35:42,350
off of, and I don't remember the exact unit count, like the 1100, or where the trip count

5375
07:35:42,350 --> 07:35:48,590
numbers based off of what I think we heard was, instead of 670 or 680 units.

5376
07:35:51,120 --> 07:35:55,040
My understanding is it is from 699 units.

5377
07:35:55,280 --> 07:35:55,720
680 units.

5378
07:35:56,020 --> 07:35:58,520
So there are two different things.

5379
07:35:59,020 --> 07:36:07,500
So what is up here now, right now the project is approved for 362,000 square feet of office.

5380
07:36:07,500 --> 07:36:14,940
When you take that number and you run it through the conversion, that gives us the 1,124.

5381
07:36:15,360 --> 07:36:23,200
That's what we're asking for the PD to be changed to because you don't want to give up those trips.

5382
07:36:24,220 --> 07:36:35,560
The operational and concurrency analysis that is required as part of the IDD approval requires us to use the unit count in the IDD.

5383
07:36:35,560 --> 07:36:40,220
our proposed IDD commissioner has that lower number.

5384
07:36:41,200 --> 07:36:48,540
So, it is net no difference in trips because or PM peak hour trips because that's what

5385
07:36:48,540 --> 07:36:51,460
we're required to use in the conversion.

5386
07:36:51,680 --> 07:36:55,660
So, that's what you see on the screen now that's the 428 to the 427.

5387
07:36:57,720 --> 07:37:04,600
Right, I understand, but the account was because the trip conversion is the 1,100.

5388
07:37:04,600 --> 07:37:09,660
but your unit count that you are going to be building is approximately 679.

5389
07:37:10,200 --> 07:37:11,860
That is what we've asked for the IDDS.

5390
07:37:12,520 --> 07:37:18,500
Okay, and does C-World know that it's a reduction of all of the of just 679?

5391
07:37:18,800 --> 07:37:25,280
We have a copy of our IDDS and we also provided this full impact analysis to them.

5392
07:37:26,480 --> 07:37:34,520
Okay, and then I thought that you had mentioned that C-World and Heiser Bush had once owned

5393
07:37:34,520 --> 07:37:40,120
This property is at this property, or was it the one that you were referring to regarding the multi-family?

5394
07:37:40,560 --> 07:37:46,380
So my understanding is that a C-world controlled entity once owned this property,

5395
07:37:47,260 --> 07:37:52,480
hardcore, that I pronounce it, hardcore, so that is true, the property we're currently talking about,

5396
07:37:52,600 --> 07:37:59,620
and it is also true that C-world or Anheiser Bush owned the property my client purchased in 2012.

5397
07:38:01,120 --> 07:38:04,060
And when did the sale happen?

5398
07:38:04,540 --> 07:38:07,320
I have the existing property that I'm in.

5399
07:38:07,320 --> 07:38:09,420
An eyes are bush sold it.

5400
07:38:09,540 --> 07:38:10,180
When did that happen?

5401
07:38:10,320 --> 07:38:11,040
That transaction.

5402
07:38:11,600 --> 07:38:12,120
Oh, my goodness.

5403
07:38:12,620 --> 07:38:14,000
The property we're talking about now.

5404
07:38:14,180 --> 07:38:15,200
I couldn't tell you when.

5405
07:38:15,400 --> 07:38:19,240
Again, it was hard core, which was a C-world entity.

5406
07:38:19,440 --> 07:38:22,320
I'm looking at Jake Elbrough, who's our historian here.

5407
07:38:22,860 --> 07:38:26,340
I don't know when it was when it was sold.

5408
07:38:26,760 --> 07:38:28,140
They're saying the 80s.

5409
07:38:28,320 --> 07:38:28,460
Okay.

5410
07:38:28,960 --> 07:38:29,720
All right. Thank you.

5411
07:38:29,720 --> 07:38:29,740
So, all

5412
07:38:33,260 --> 07:38:36,920
right, Commissioner Gomez could there.

5413
07:38:38,080 --> 07:38:38,920
Thank you, Mayor.

5414
07:38:39,800 --> 07:38:45,480
So, I wanted to ask the same thing, because I was confused if they,

5415
07:38:46,800 --> 07:38:49,040
the residential one and not this one, but they did.

5416
07:38:49,840 --> 07:38:52,400
So, another question, Becky.

5417
07:38:54,200 --> 07:38:56,620
What are the peak hours there?

5418
07:38:56,620 --> 07:39:06,780
The peak hours of the peak PM peak hour AM peak hours is that when see woolly's clothes when his open is what?

5419
07:39:07,320 --> 07:39:10,080
Because I can't see that peak hours all the time, but anyway

5420
07:39:10,080 --> 07:39:11,280
Do you know that area?

5421
07:39:11,500 --> 07:39:14,060
I do not know see world's operational hours.

5422
07:39:14,240 --> 07:39:20,820
My bet would be they probably have employees coming in in the morning when you look at an AMP.

5423
07:39:21,660 --> 07:39:26,240
But then this report was the peak hours in this report.

5424
07:39:26,240 --> 07:39:36,260
So the peak hours in this report that we looked at were in the AM, which was 7am to 9am, and then also in the PM, which was 4pm to 6pm.

5425
07:39:36,520 --> 07:39:37,100
Who's 6pm?

5426
07:39:37,560 --> 07:39:47,120
And as you can imagine, multi-family's peak is not on the weekend, right? People are coming and going to work during the week.

5427
07:39:47,640 --> 07:39:53,840
And C-World said that their peak, or maybe it was their traffic engineer, said that their peak would be on the weekends.

5428
07:39:56,240 --> 07:39:59,740
I was, I was gonna actually maybe this, but I don't know if I should actually.

5429
07:40:01,580 --> 07:40:28,840
I'm just thinking, you know, seewall is one of the team parks, right? Team parks here in Florida, Central Florida. And so I was thinking that you, your client, so have had a good communication, so with them, you know, before they, you know, they were deciding to have this to see if that was, you know, something that that could, you know, maybe help, we regained, see we're okay for the hearing.

5430
07:40:28,840 --> 07:40:36,340
See that again? We reached out to see world before the original hearing. Yes, okay. Okay, okay. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

5431
07:40:40,180 --> 07:40:46,240
Commissioner Wilson. Commissioner Scott, your was was pressed to do unprecedented.

5432
07:40:52,120 --> 07:40:55,480
You wanted to speak. Okay, then we'll go to Commissioner Wilson.

5433
07:40:57,960 --> 07:41:03,040
So I was trying to declare you can excuse me. So just for the record.

5434
07:41:06,300 --> 07:41:09,400
and then sold to you wrote and I was a bus, it wasn't the inverse.

5435
07:41:09,540 --> 07:41:12,080
Because I remember there was a book company I just checked online to make sure

5436
07:41:12,080 --> 07:41:15,640
so hard-curt own that property I think they had a call center or a book warehouse.

5437
07:41:16,120 --> 07:41:20,080
They bought C-Rode in 76 and then sold C-Rode in 89.

5438
07:41:21,460 --> 07:41:27,000
Hard work at some point owned both C-Rode and the piece of property we are buying.

5439
07:41:27,300 --> 07:41:29,260
Copy. Okay, just wanted to make sure I understood.

5440
07:41:29,260 --> 07:41:32,960
I haven't done a dig deep on that one.

5441
07:41:32,960 --> 07:41:37,660
but I know that much, and then you can see on the screen

5442
07:41:37,660 --> 07:41:38,620
the other part of it.

5443
07:41:38,740 --> 07:41:39,760
I mean, I was the guy just want to make sure I

5444
07:41:39,760 --> 07:41:41,020
had a good understanding of time out of this.

5445
07:41:48,240 --> 07:41:49,040
Commissioner Wilson.

5446
07:41:51,200 --> 07:41:51,860
Thank you so much, Mayor.

5447
07:41:51,960 --> 07:41:54,100
Thank you to my colleagues for thoughtful questions.

5448
07:41:54,260 --> 07:41:59,140
I want to thank the applicant team for being

5449
07:41:59,140 --> 07:42:01,240
amenable to the last continuance and forgetting

5450
07:42:02,120 --> 07:42:04,240
together with the neighboring property owners

5451
07:42:04,240 --> 07:42:05,740
and continuing to provide information.

5452
07:42:05,740 --> 07:42:12,360
And I also met with the C-World team and have continued to get information in and everything

5453
07:42:12,360 --> 07:42:12,860
I get.

5454
07:42:13,000 --> 07:42:17,640
I want to continue to facilitate because I think, no matter what, you will be neighbors and

5455
07:42:17,640 --> 07:42:22,420
want to make sure that the goal, if the state of goal from, I think, you know, C-World

5456
07:42:22,420 --> 07:42:30,780
is to make sure that we're getting around this area safer and in a way that makes sense

5457
07:42:30,780 --> 07:42:33,740
for the residents and visitors that we're all in the same page.

5458
07:42:33,740 --> 07:42:35,580
I don't think anybody's disagreeing with that.

5459
07:42:35,820 --> 07:42:39,600
I will tell you that philosophically, I love a project like this.

5460
07:42:39,600 --> 07:42:43,900
This is an infill project with multi-family housing near a large employment area.

5461
07:42:45,240 --> 07:42:50,180
So I do hope that as part of the process, that there are plenty of pedestrian options,

5462
07:42:50,940 --> 07:42:54,740
and that hopefully some folks that work at sea world will get a chance to live so close they

5463
07:42:54,740 --> 07:42:55,660
don't have to get in their car.

5464
07:42:56,140 --> 07:43:00,060
So those are the things that I think, you know, looking at this holistically and I understand

5465
07:43:00,060 --> 07:43:04,040
and we didn't work out the details that wanted to be worked out.

5466
07:43:04,100 --> 07:43:08,940
But I'm still very hopeful for the outcome here, knowing that there's an underutilized

5467
07:43:08,940 --> 07:43:13,820
piece of property right in an area that can really use some additional housing opportunity,

5468
07:43:13,960 --> 07:43:15,120
multifamily housing opportunity.

5469
07:43:15,680 --> 07:43:17,100
So with that, I'll make a motion for approval.

5470
07:43:17,180 --> 07:43:17,940
Second, you're Ruby.

5471
07:43:19,120 --> 07:43:24,120
Okay, just to be clear, that's for the 60-day continuance, is that what we're talking about?

5472
07:43:24,160 --> 07:43:24,360
No, no, no, no.

5473
07:43:24,360 --> 07:43:26,300
Motion to approve the requested action.

5474
07:43:26,320 --> 07:43:26,600
Okay.

5475
07:43:26,880 --> 07:43:27,180
All right.

5476
07:43:27,180 --> 07:43:34,160
So, all right, with that, we have a motion by Commissioner Wilson, second by Commissioner Uribe.

5477
07:43:34,920 --> 07:43:36,920
All in the favor, let it be known by saying aye.

5478
07:43:36,920 --> 07:43:37,320
Aye.

5479
07:43:37,640 --> 07:43:38,620
Opposed no.

5480
07:43:39,300 --> 07:43:42,040
Motion passes, and it is unanimous.

5481
07:43:42,260 --> 07:43:42,480
All right.

5482
07:43:43,140 --> 07:43:44,340
Thank you all for your presence.

5483
07:43:44,720 --> 07:43:45,900
We're going to move to the next item.

5484
07:43:45,980 --> 07:43:48,500
We're going to agenda, and this is item E6.

5485
07:43:48,960 --> 07:43:50,560
We're open the public hearing on this item.

5486
07:43:50,740 --> 07:43:53,260
And Mr. Thelmut, I'm going to ask you to frame this item.

5487
07:43:57,800 --> 07:43:58,240
Thank you, Mayor.

5488
07:43:58,960 --> 07:44:00,760
This item is case CDR 25.

5489
07:44:00,760 --> 07:44:06,360
5, 10, 2, 4, 8, this one is in movement to the epic Aloma PD.

5490
07:44:07,160 --> 07:44:11,840
This site's roughly seven acres located in northwest corner of the intersection of North

5491
07:44:11,840 --> 07:44:13,780
Semoramble of Arden Aloma Avenue.

5492
07:44:14,580 --> 07:44:21,740
This is a waiver request to amend the PD to ask for one waiver code to allow accessory structure

5493
07:44:21,740 --> 07:44:27,500
used for covered parking in a multi-family district between, to be located between the primary

5494
07:44:27,500 --> 07:44:32,340
structure and the right of way and lieu of not being that, and I'll explain that way for

5495
07:44:32,340 --> 07:44:40,720
just a moment. This is located in District 5. Probably is designated medium high density residential

5496
07:44:40,720 --> 07:44:47,000
on the future land use map, and as previously mentioned, is zone PD as the epicoloma PD.

5497
07:44:48,080 --> 07:44:54,520
Here we have an aerial of the site. The site was previously approved and constructed as a senior

5498
07:44:54,520 --> 07:44:59,980
55 plus the Parkment Complex. You can see the existing apartment complex.

5499
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:15,800
And the surrounding parking lots. And the proposal is the developer would like to take some of those existing parking spaces and over top of them construct some covered cardboard structures.

5500
07:45:16,400 --> 07:45:28,160
However, those covered cardboard structures qualify under our code as accessory parking structures and code says those should not be located within the or between the primary building and the right away.

5501
07:45:28,160 --> 07:45:34,960
Hence, the waiver, though we have the overall land use plan here, but what might be a little more

5502
07:45:36,180 --> 07:45:43,200
Clear on the proposed ask you have their proposed. This is just a general concept plans. This is not part of the land use plan

5503
07:45:43,200 --> 07:45:46,800
But if you look very closely, you can see

5504
07:45:46,800 --> 07:45:50,800
certain covered areas within the parking lot. That's where those proposed

5505
07:45:51,780 --> 07:45:52,340
covered

5506
07:45:52,340 --> 07:46:00,420
the important areas would be and staff did work extensively with the applicant team to limit

5507
07:46:00,420 --> 07:46:05,960
the number and location of those throughout the process. So with that, the recommendation

5508
07:46:05,960 --> 07:46:10,260
is to make a final consistency with conference a plan and approve the amendment to the

5509
07:46:10,260 --> 07:46:14,820
ethical OMAPD subject to the conditions of approval listed under the DRC recommendation

5510
07:46:14,820 --> 07:46:18,520
the staff report. And with that staff and the applicant are available for questions.

5511
07:46:18,520 --> 07:46:24,360
All right, if the applicant or Representative is present, would you want to approach the mic?

5512
07:46:24,720 --> 07:46:25,340
It's yours.

5513
07:46:26,300 --> 07:46:33,000
I, Cody Klanowski, 5A1100 Avenue East, represent the owner.

5514
07:46:33,820 --> 07:46:35,440
Pretty straightforward project.

5515
07:46:35,700 --> 07:46:40,080
We agree with the DRC recommendation and here to answer any questions.

5516
07:46:40,640 --> 07:46:41,500
All right, stand by.

5517
07:46:42,260 --> 07:46:45,800
Do we have members of the public present who should be here on this item?

5518
07:46:45,800 --> 07:46:48,400
We have no speakers for this item there.

5519
07:46:48,660 --> 07:46:48,720
All right.

5520
07:46:48,880 --> 07:46:50,400
Then we'll close the public hearing.

5521
07:46:50,980 --> 07:46:53,580
We'll go to the District Commissioner, Commissioner Simre,

5522
07:46:53,760 --> 07:46:54,980
I have a potential motion.

5523
07:47:02,850 --> 07:47:03,270
Thank you, Mayor.

5524
07:47:03,950 --> 07:47:06,710
I only had one question that it's I asked staff yesterday,

5525
07:47:06,710 --> 07:47:09,850
and I just wanted to make sure because this is a

5526
07:47:09,850 --> 07:47:11,970
senior facilities or senior.

5527
07:47:13,690 --> 07:47:14,470
Yes, ma'am.

5528
07:47:14,650 --> 07:47:14,690
Yes, ma'am.

5529
07:47:14,870 --> 07:47:18,450
And I, so seniors, we, we all retire on a fixed income.

5530
07:47:19,030 --> 07:47:22,070
And I want to make sure that this is not looked at as like,

5531
07:47:22,070 --> 07:47:27,110
You know, you have assigned parking spots in apartment buildings and condominiums.

5532
07:47:27,790 --> 07:47:32,110
And so your assigned spot is this and now you get a canopy over it and now your

5533
07:47:32,110 --> 07:47:34,210
rent goes up and you're living on a fixed income.

5534
07:47:34,370 --> 07:47:40,210
So I wanted to make sure that we're not talking about an amenity that becomes a price increase.

5535
07:47:40,530 --> 07:47:40,690
No.

5536
07:47:40,890 --> 07:47:41,110
Okay.

5537
07:47:41,390 --> 07:47:43,870
It's not going to be considered an amenity.

5538
07:47:44,010 --> 07:47:45,830
It's just for the community.

5539
07:47:46,870 --> 07:47:51,770
I guess they were kind of requesting it for quite some time.

5540
07:47:51,770 --> 07:47:53,390
Okay, I'm going to put these in.

5541
07:47:53,530 --> 07:48:01,510
Great, with that, I'm very comfortable with making the recommendation with the motion on the screen.

5542
07:48:02,990 --> 07:48:08,690
All right, if we have a motion in a second, all in favour of letting me know I'm saying aye.

5543
07:48:09,330 --> 07:48:10,270
Opposed, no.

5544
07:48:10,270 --> 07:48:10,830
Thank you.

5545
07:48:11,010 --> 07:48:13,450
Motion passes, and it is unanimous.

5546
07:48:13,830 --> 07:48:15,730
All right, we're going to move the item F7.

5547
07:48:16,050 --> 07:48:17,730
We're open to public hearing on this item.

5548
07:48:17,950 --> 07:48:21,150
Mr. Thelmule, I understand you're going to be framing this item as well.

5549
07:48:21,150 --> 07:48:25,470
Thank you, Mayor, this item is case DP-209-220.

5550
07:48:26,070 --> 07:48:30,830
This one is the Hamlin West Plan Development Unified Neighborhood Plan Hamlin West Plan

5551
07:48:30,830 --> 07:48:34,370
Engineering Subdivision Plan Lifetime at Hamlin Development Plan.

5552
07:48:35,170 --> 07:48:41,210
This site is generally located east of state road 429 west of Babylon, south of New Independence Parkway

5553
07:48:41,210 --> 07:48:43,610
within the Horizon West Town Center Village.

5554
07:48:44,090 --> 07:48:51,070
This is a development plan, not to entitle a property or to subdivide a property, but to construct

5555
07:48:51,070 --> 07:48:58,650
and 84,000 square foot athletic club gym facility. This is not something that typically

5556
07:48:58,650 --> 07:49:04,430
would require consideration before this board. However, the property is within Horizon

5557
07:49:04,430 --> 07:49:10,070
West and being located in Horizon West. They do have the ability to ask for waivers from code

5558
07:49:10,070 --> 07:49:19,270
at these downstream site planning stages in lieu of the requiring to request those waivers

5559
07:49:19,270 --> 07:49:23,130
at the earlier land use plan stage, like on the previous cases we just heard.

5560
07:49:23,730 --> 07:49:27,670
So in addition to the proposal to construct the structure, there is also one way

5561
07:49:27,670 --> 07:49:36,450
we're from code, and it is to reduce the linked to node ratio from 1.42, 1.14, from 1.35.

5562
07:49:37,490 --> 07:49:42,190
And I'll identify what that means here in just a moment sites located in District 1, designated

5563
07:49:42,190 --> 07:49:48,470
on the Horizon West special planning area land use map as retail wholesale district, and as

5564
07:49:48,470 --> 07:49:54,910
the Vision Zone PD, Planned Development District, which is a requirement of all development within

5565
07:49:54,910 --> 07:49:59,110
Horizon West site is currently undeveloped, which might be able to identify from the aerial

5566
07:49:59,110 --> 07:49:59,510
here.

5567
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:11,040
Surrounded by in-process and entitled development, mixture of commercial single multi-family mixed types of uses out there, consistent with the horizonless framework.

5568
07:50:11,620 --> 07:50:15,760
Here we see the site plan, and on the site plan, we see the building itself.

5569
07:50:16,360 --> 07:50:24,100
There is also a requirement this being in the horizonless town center that there is a certain project, intersection density.

5570
07:50:24,100 --> 07:50:27,740
So there are requirements for what are called links and nodes.

5571
07:50:28,240 --> 07:50:29,540
Those nodes are the intersections.

5572
07:50:29,980 --> 07:50:32,780
The links are either public streets or in horizon

5573
07:50:32,780 --> 07:50:34,120
what's what are called framework streets,

5574
07:50:34,340 --> 07:50:37,720
which are essentially private streets.

5575
07:50:38,620 --> 07:50:44,140
And you can see here there are streets running through the project,

5576
07:50:44,200 --> 07:50:46,740
north, south, east, and west.

5577
07:50:46,980 --> 07:50:48,360
And there are several existing intersections.

5578
07:50:48,940 --> 07:50:50,440
This project comes very, very close.

5579
07:50:50,580 --> 07:50:54,080
But technically there should be one more per code right down here.

5580
07:50:54,080 --> 07:50:59,060
However, due to the site design and constraints and requirements that was unable to be

5581
07:50:59,060 --> 07:51:06,300
complied with, hence the request for the waiver, which staff is in full support of due to

5582
07:51:06,300 --> 07:51:07,960
the very limited nature of it.

5583
07:51:08,500 --> 07:51:12,780
So with all of that said, the recommendation here is to make a fine of consistency with

5584
07:51:12,780 --> 07:51:17,580
the conference of plan and approve the lifetime of Hamland Development Plan subject to the

5585
07:51:17,580 --> 07:51:21,820
conditions of approval listed under the DRC recommendation of the staff report, and with

5586
07:51:21,820 --> 07:51:24,260
staff in the applicant are available for questions.

5587
07:51:26,790 --> 07:51:27,010
All right.

5588
07:51:27,350 --> 07:51:28,150
Thank you, sir.

5589
07:51:28,670 --> 07:51:30,130
Is that how we're going to miss item present?

5590
07:51:30,930 --> 07:51:30,950
OK.

5591
07:51:31,550 --> 07:51:32,830
Ms. Wilson, you're busy.

5592
07:51:34,850 --> 07:51:36,410
I'd like to take the first 14 minutes

5593
07:51:36,410 --> 07:51:37,730
to thank you for being mayor.

5594
07:51:40,330 --> 07:51:44,650
Oh, by the way, I'll be mayor to desilting

5595
07:51:44,650 --> 07:51:46,050
more to speak today.

5596
07:51:47,470 --> 07:51:49,290
Rebecca Wilson, 2015, Northeal,

5597
07:51:49,350 --> 07:51:51,110
arrived here on behalf of the applicant,

5598
07:51:51,270 --> 07:51:53,090
happy to answer any questions you all may have.

5599
07:51:53,090 --> 07:51:54,870
We agree with the DRC's recommendation.

5600
07:51:59,500 --> 07:51:59,720
All right.

5601
07:51:59,820 --> 07:52:00,740
Thank you.

5602
07:52:01,080 --> 07:52:04,540
With that, do we have a member's out of public presence?

5603
07:52:04,660 --> 07:52:05,640
Who should be heard on the side?

5604
07:52:06,000 --> 07:52:07,400
We have no speaker, so the side of the mayor.

5605
07:52:08,100 --> 07:52:08,360
All right.

5606
07:52:08,520 --> 07:52:10,080
Then we'll close the public hearing.

5607
07:52:11,200 --> 07:52:14,160
We'll go to the District Commissioner.

5608
07:52:14,320 --> 07:52:16,620
We do have questions.

5609
07:52:16,960 --> 07:52:18,960
I have Commissioner Wilson.

5610
07:52:19,240 --> 07:52:21,520
I see Commissioner Simran.

5611
07:52:24,160 --> 07:52:28,600
Thank you, sir, and I also wanted to say how much I appreciate you having

5612
07:52:28,600 --> 07:52:29,440
bed mayor.

5613
07:52:31,560 --> 07:52:38,040
But I just wanted I was happy to hear with this one that there's a wetland on site and I

5614
07:52:38,040 --> 07:52:42,100
just wanted to make sure I'm public record that we're saying that that's not going to

5615
07:52:42,100 --> 07:52:42,640
be impacted.

5616
07:52:43,000 --> 07:52:52,650
Is that this one this Wilson this is the other one okay thank you I'll be chiming in again

5617
07:52:52,650 --> 07:52:56,730
and will appreciate you again mayor thank you.

5618
07:52:58,400 --> 07:53:02,300
Okay, with that commissioner Wilson.

5619
07:53:03,120 --> 07:53:05,660
Yes, thank you, also Mayor for being mayor.

5620
07:53:06,080 --> 07:53:07,700
And thank you for the question.

5621
07:53:07,740 --> 07:53:10,340
This is actually a frightening thing for me

5622
07:53:10,340 --> 07:53:11,460
to think about this getting derailed,

5623
07:53:11,620 --> 07:53:13,080
because the people out there are so serious

5624
07:53:13,080 --> 07:53:16,980
about getting a gym, and like heaven help us

5625
07:53:16,980 --> 07:53:18,720
if this was somehow derailed at this point.

5626
07:53:19,240 --> 07:53:20,880
So with that, I'll make a motion for approval.

5627
07:53:23,140 --> 07:53:23,500
All right,

5628
07:53:27,550 --> 07:53:30,990
okay, we have a second on the motion,

5629
07:53:30,990 --> 07:53:37,230
Commission on UVA. All in favour, let it be known by saying aye. Aye. Opposed no. Motion

5630
07:53:37,230 --> 07:53:44,610
passes and it is unanimous. All right. As we move forward, item G A has been withdrawn. So

5631
07:53:44,610 --> 07:53:52,070
we will not have an conversation regarding that today. Also item G 9 has been withdrawn. There

5632
07:53:52,070 --> 07:53:59,570
would be no conversation on that today. And item H 10 has been withdrawn is where that would

5633
07:53:59,570 --> 07:54:06,350
no conversation on that. That takes us to item I in 11. You know, open the public hearing on this item,

5634
07:54:06,450 --> 07:54:08,530
and I'm going to call on Mr.

5635
07:54:11,020 --> 07:54:16,500
Guedanic. Our chief planner from the planning division to come forward

5636
07:54:16,500 --> 07:54:21,720
and he'll be framing this item with that. You are recognized. Good evening, Mr. Marin Commissioner.

5637
07:54:21,840 --> 07:54:28,260
It's Julian Guedanic with the Planning Division. At this time, we are discussing the adoption

5638
07:54:28,260 --> 07:54:34,800
hearing for a small scale future land use map amendment SS26007038 and the concurrent rezoning.

5639
07:54:36,400 --> 07:54:40,960
The applicant is Gregory Crawford of Thomas and Hutton, and this request specifically

5640
07:54:40,960 --> 07:54:47,740
is to change the future land use from planned development commercial to industrial and

5641
07:54:48,260 --> 07:54:53,280
property is approximately five acres in size. It's in district three and proposed development

5642
07:54:53,280 --> 07:54:55,840
intent of the applicant is industrial warehouses.

5643
07:54:57,500 --> 07:54:59,860
This is the general location of the subject property industry.

5644
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:07,340
Three, it's on East Oak Ridge Road, just west of the FDOT railroad, right of way, and this is the area of the subject property.

5645
07:55:08,340 --> 07:55:10,600
You can see the surrounding environment for context.

5646
07:55:12,580 --> 07:55:17,120
The existing future land use, as mentioned, is planned development commercial. This was established in 2010.

5647
07:55:18,080 --> 07:55:23,760
Founded in it created entitlements of approximately 40,000 square feet of commercial development on the site.

5648
07:55:23,760 --> 07:55:28,320
The request is to salvage the industrial future land use

5649
07:55:28,320 --> 07:55:31,740
desidation, and in essence, this is to revert the property back

5650
07:55:31,740 --> 07:55:34,620
to what was designated prior to the creation of the planned

5651
07:55:34,620 --> 07:55:35,100
development.

5652
07:55:35,600 --> 07:55:38,240
The applicant no longer intends to develop under those entitlements

5653
07:55:38,240 --> 07:55:42,780
and therefore is electing to revert back to that industrial designation.

5654
07:55:43,340 --> 07:55:47,180
As you can see, it's surrounded on three sides to the north,

5655
07:55:47,300 --> 07:55:51,140
to the southwest, and to the east, with existing industrial future land use.

5656
07:55:52,560 --> 07:55:55,700
Likewise, the current zoning is planned development.

5657
07:55:55,840 --> 07:56:03,040
This was established through land use plan approval in 2024 for a private school of 488 students.

5658
07:56:03,420 --> 07:56:07,280
Again, the current property owner does not intend to develop that school, so they are

5659
07:56:07,280 --> 07:56:12,160
electing to revert the property back to the prior designation, which is industrial district light.

5660
07:56:12,160 --> 07:56:13,340
I won I-5.

5661
07:56:13,680 --> 07:56:20,020
Again, you can see the properties surrounded by industrial zoning designations on three sizes as well.

5662
07:56:20,960 --> 07:56:24,060
For some context of the area, this is the subject property.

5663
07:56:24,400 --> 07:56:26,580
It's currently vacant on improved land.

5664
07:56:27,460 --> 07:56:30,060
Each of the site is the FDA to railroad right of way,

5665
07:56:30,200 --> 07:56:32,400
and then further east is industrial property,

5666
07:56:32,540 --> 07:56:34,560
and then further east of that is orange Avenue.

5667
07:56:35,680 --> 07:56:37,700
North of the site is another vacant,

5668
07:56:37,820 --> 07:56:39,520
industrial, designated property,

5669
07:56:39,980 --> 07:56:43,520
and then the north of that, as well as more industrially designated property

5670
07:56:43,520 --> 07:56:45,840
with the development already in place,

5671
07:56:46,100 --> 07:56:48,040
that the property owner currently owns.

5672
07:56:48,040 --> 07:56:50,200
they own all three of these properties, contiguous.

5673
07:56:52,060 --> 07:56:53,540
West of the site is a place of worship.

5674
07:56:54,000 --> 07:56:55,820
That's in industrial future land use

5675
07:56:55,820 --> 07:56:56,840
designated property.

5676
07:56:57,980 --> 07:57:00,560
South of the site is a various mix of light industrial

5677
07:57:00,560 --> 07:57:05,900
and commercial uses a few different automotive repair shops.

5678
07:57:05,940 --> 07:57:06,540
They're located here.

5679
07:57:06,760 --> 07:57:08,280
This is commercial future land use.

5680
07:57:09,820 --> 07:57:11,320
Here's another one, just across the street.

5681
07:57:13,000 --> 07:57:15,520
There was a community meeting held on June 15th.

5682
07:57:15,520 --> 07:57:34,480
The 240 notices were mailed out. We had nine members of the public in attendance. There were some concerns discussed by those in attendance and they generally related to potential impacts of the industrial traffic that might be generated by this use as well as the visual appearance of the proposed development and whether it was appropriate for the site.

5683
07:57:35,500 --> 07:57:40,220
In terms of traffic, I will point out that this is overall anticipated to be a net reduction

5684
07:57:40,220 --> 07:57:44,580
in trips relative to the traffic that would be generated from the private school that

5685
07:57:44,580 --> 07:57:45,640
was previously entitled.

5686
07:57:49,390 --> 07:57:51,990
And staffs analysis just wanted to summarize three quick points.

5687
07:57:52,170 --> 07:57:59,070
We are recommending approval of this request, specifically, Future Land Use Element 8.1.7 from

5688
07:57:59,070 --> 07:58:02,950
the comprehensive plans, says that non-residential plan developments should be considered

5689
07:58:02,950 --> 07:58:07,190
for reversion to their prior land use destination if development does not commence within

5690
07:58:07,190 --> 07:58:11,550
five years. That's what it's occurred here. As mentioned, they're proposing to

5691
07:58:11,550 --> 07:58:18,190
revert back to their prior designation. And then to summarize, each land use policy 11417 and

5692
07:58:18,190 --> 07:58:23,090
11420. This is not verbatim, but just again, in summary, the county should retain an adequate

5693
07:58:23,090 --> 07:58:27,730
supply of industrial land uses and guide industrial growth towards established industrial areas

5694
07:58:27,730 --> 07:58:33,650
and existing corridors, in four existing employment centers, et cetera, staff finds that

5695
07:58:33,650 --> 07:58:38,610
this particular location meets that criteria, and then lastly, the most recent industrial

5696
07:58:38,610 --> 07:58:44,790
capacity analysis for the county, which occurred in 2007, found that the existing industrial

5697
07:58:44,790 --> 07:58:50,090
vacant land is not sufficient to meet the demand capacity for the 2030 planning horizon,

5698
07:58:50,970 --> 07:58:55,030
and as such, introduction of new industrial future land use in areas where compatibility

5699
07:58:55,030 --> 07:59:00,450
can be maintained should be prioritized, staff finds that compatibility is maintained in this location.

5700
07:59:01,490 --> 07:59:06,850
So for those reasons, we recommend adoption and approval, the local planning agency also

5701
07:59:06,850 --> 07:59:10,430
unanimously recommended approval and adoption as well.

5702
07:59:11,250 --> 07:59:15,670
We are attaching one recommended condition or restriction to the rezoning, which is that

5703
07:59:15,670 --> 07:59:17,370
billboards and poll signs shall be prohibited.

5704
07:59:18,990 --> 07:59:22,030
And with that, that concludes my presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions.

5705
07:59:25,370 --> 07:59:33,490
All right, with that, I will invite the applicant or representative of the applicant to come forward and make any comments.

5706
07:59:39,020 --> 07:59:39,380
Good afternoon.

5707
07:59:39,380 --> 07:59:40,540
My name is Greg Crawford.

5708
07:59:40,580 --> 07:59:44,500
I'm with Thomas and Hutton, 5127 South Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida.

5709
07:59:45,080 --> 07:59:46,700
And here representing the owner and the property.

5710
07:59:47,580 --> 07:59:51,180
With that, we agree with the recommendations and the staff report with regards to this project.

5711
07:59:51,520 --> 07:59:53,380
And here, to answer any questions you might have.

5712
07:59:53,680 --> 07:59:56,820
And also, be open any responses after public input.

5713
07:59:57,820 --> 07:59:59,980
All right, stand by my scroll for the door.

5714
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:24,880
We have members of the public present, which we heard on this item. Again, this is I in love him. If you want to speak on this item, if you have not filled out the card, you can do that afterwards. Otherwise, please come forward. Mayor, we had a number of speakers on this sign that some of them have left. It looks like we have one, two, three, four, five, six speakers left.

5715
08:00:26,540 --> 08:00:40,040
First speaker will be Gail Patrick followed by Nancy Compiglia and Nancy, you had some time dedicated,

5716
08:00:43,610 --> 08:00:47,210
you're going to have a one extra minute, it looks like two of the folks have left.

5717
08:00:47,850 --> 08:00:53,970
So following Nancy, we'll have Lauren Buckner followed by Sandra Castano.

5718
08:00:53,970 --> 08:00:59,170
And Sandra, you're going to have two extra minutes

5719
08:01:01,890 --> 08:01:06,330
following Sandra, it will be Nisha Thompson and

5720
08:01:06,330 --> 08:01:07,370
Jacqueline Davenport.

5721
08:01:12,850 --> 08:01:12,870
Okay.

5722
08:01:13,530 --> 08:01:17,610
We will start with the first speaker if you can give us your name and address for the record.

5723
08:01:17,790 --> 08:01:18,890
We appreciate it.

5724
08:01:19,210 --> 08:01:20,590
My name is Gail Paget.

5725
08:01:20,650 --> 08:01:24,570
I live at 1605 Orangewood Avenue or Lando.

5726
08:01:24,970 --> 08:01:28,310
I'm chairman of the Pine Castle Historical Society.

5727
08:01:30,920 --> 08:01:32,400
Mayor and commissioners.

5728
08:01:32,400 --> 08:01:33,300
Thank you.

5729
08:01:33,980 --> 08:01:37,320
The applicant and the staff encourage you to approve

5730
08:01:37,320 --> 08:01:40,640
the investigation of the industrial zoning to the site,

5731
08:01:41,000 --> 08:01:47,200
zoning which you reverse to commercial just two years ago.

5732
08:01:47,600 --> 08:01:48,840
In furtherance of that objective,

5733
08:01:49,080 --> 08:01:51,840
they tell you that the comprehensive plan generally supports

5734
08:01:51,840 --> 08:01:55,260
the integration of infill properties for industrial use,

5735
08:01:55,780 --> 08:01:58,220
but that is the only part of the story.

5736
08:01:58,900 --> 08:02:01,660
And you as leaders have an obligation to determine

5737
08:02:01,660 --> 08:02:07,080
and what is best for the fabric of the community and cannot act on microscopic and partial

5738
08:02:07,080 --> 08:02:07,780
information.

5739
08:02:08,780 --> 08:02:13,220
The area within the subject sites perimeter within the past several years has evolved

5740
08:02:13,220 --> 08:02:15,940
into a significant activity hub.

5741
08:02:16,620 --> 08:02:22,640
A community that has revitalized restaurants that serve cuisine from American diners to diverse

5742
08:02:22,640 --> 08:02:28,040
cuisine from throughout the globe, office and professional establishments, a charter school

5743
08:02:28,040 --> 08:02:32,220
from K to high school, which is almost doubled in student size.

5744
08:02:32,740 --> 08:02:35,380
There are public elementary, middle, and high schools,

5745
08:02:35,540 --> 08:02:38,180
the Pancas of Women's Club, places of worship,

5746
08:02:38,380 --> 08:02:39,800
and residential use.

5747
08:02:40,800 --> 08:02:43,780
Here, industrial use declined, because the community no longer

5748
08:02:43,780 --> 08:02:47,480
needs it due to an oversuppied industry in the peripheral area.

5749
08:02:48,200 --> 08:02:50,540
In fact, without significant restrictions,

5750
08:02:51,360 --> 08:02:54,580
such development will serve to undo the revitalization

5751
08:02:54,580 --> 08:02:55,900
that we have accomplished.

5752
08:02:55,900 --> 08:03:03,620
Therefore, responsible planning means learning from history, adapting current trends, and improving

5753
08:03:03,620 --> 08:03:04,740
our environment.

5754
08:03:05,520 --> 08:03:11,320
Without well-planned and well-thought-out restrictions and industrial zoning is adverse

5755
08:03:11,320 --> 08:03:14,580
to the safety, health, and welfare of our community.

5756
08:03:15,040 --> 08:03:18,840
We need efficient and effective use of infill properties.

5757
08:03:18,840 --> 08:03:27,220
What is before you today, merits quality and comprehensive review, you should not approve it as presented.

5758
08:03:30,530 --> 08:03:32,710
All right, thank you very much.

5759
08:03:34,880 --> 08:03:36,240
We'll move to the next speaker.

5760
08:03:42,730 --> 08:03:46,730
Nancy Campelia 5465 Lake Jessam and Drive.

5761
08:03:47,310 --> 08:03:48,250
I am an attorney.

5762
08:03:49,570 --> 08:03:56,490
I have represented developers throughout the state of Florida for 26 years.

5763
08:03:56,490 --> 08:03:59,950
So I don't want to mislead you as to my background.

5764
08:04:00,930 --> 08:04:04,710
However, I am here as a member of this affected community.

5765
08:04:05,690 --> 08:04:07,890
I want to say to you that on page three,

5766
08:04:08,710 --> 08:04:10,910
and additionally as recommended today,

5767
08:04:11,370 --> 08:04:12,970
page three of the staff report,

5768
08:04:13,630 --> 08:04:18,570
you're being asked to rely on an industrial capacity analysis of 2007.

5769
08:04:19,670 --> 08:04:21,870
I'd like to share with you information

5770
08:04:21,870 --> 08:04:29,390
from Cushman Wakefield and CBRE and I want you to please understand that the industrial vacancy

5771
08:04:29,390 --> 08:04:39,870
rate in Orlando, that vacancy rate is up 30 points of industrial properties, that the leasing

5772
08:04:39,870 --> 08:04:50,770
is down 69.6% almost 70%. That the city of Edgewood through their wonderful attorney,

5773
08:04:50,770 --> 08:04:58,050
who's here today and done wonderful job is now currently building

5774
08:04:58,050 --> 08:04:59,970
and 563.

5775
08:05:00,000 --> 08:05:14,420
1,000 square feet of industrial warehousing use. And that particular area is bringing 2,365 trips, give or take.

5776
08:05:15,140 --> 08:05:29,000
It's affecting 14 neighborhood intersections. I want you to please understand that the airport, Lake Nona area, which has a combination of the most modern product,

5777
08:05:29,000 --> 08:05:38,380
in tenant options has a 12% vacancy that the Silver Star Apopka, which has the lowest fee.

5778
08:05:40,420 --> 08:05:46,340
I should say the most economical, has a 13.1% vacancy rate.

5779
08:05:47,360 --> 08:05:52,640
Commissioners, our community is suffering, has suffered.

5780
08:05:53,800 --> 08:05:59,340
I had a tremendous amount of information that our people had to leave for reasons.

5781
08:05:59,340 --> 08:06:09,560
reasons, but I want you to please see what we see from our

5782
08:06:12,700 --> 08:06:15,520
living rooms. And yet, our

5783
08:06:15,520 --> 08:06:25,180
backyard is a 290 acre coveted lake. I could go on showing you pictures, the entry to our

5784
08:06:25,180 --> 08:06:25,760
community,

5785
08:06:29,990 --> 08:06:31,290
Lake Jessam and Drive.

5786
08:06:33,840 --> 08:06:35,080
Thank you for your assistance.

5787
08:06:39,000 --> 08:06:40,440
This is what we see.

5788
08:06:42,390 --> 08:06:44,390
This is

5789
08:06:49,860 --> 08:06:56,000
what we're seeing to our entry and if you would just bear with me this particular picture

5790
08:06:56,000 --> 08:07:03,180
I want to share because the cost analysis is what these people have dealt with your awesome stuff.

5791
08:07:03,300 --> 08:07:04,360
Okay, ma'am.

5792
08:07:04,620 --> 08:07:06,100
And I'll give you a little bit of a rebate.

5793
08:07:06,440 --> 08:07:07,060
Thank you.

5794
08:07:07,460 --> 08:07:08,180
Thank you.

5795
08:07:08,180 --> 08:07:08,600
All right.

5796
08:07:08,740 --> 08:07:09,860
Thank you.

5797
08:07:10,640 --> 08:07:12,100
There's going to be the next.

5798
08:07:12,440 --> 08:07:12,680
All right.

5799
08:07:12,840 --> 08:07:14,020
We're going to move to the next speaker.

5800
08:07:14,020 --> 08:07:14,180
Now,

5801
08:07:23,930 --> 08:07:31,470
my name is Lauren Buckner, I live at 6, 7, 8, 1, Tom's Jefferson Way or Landa 3, 2, 8, 9.

5802
08:07:32,610 --> 08:07:39,110
Development of infill properties are undeveloped within the community's activity of,

5803
08:07:39,730 --> 08:07:46,290
as the potential to serve as a key factor to the neighborhood vibrancy and wholeness.

5804
08:07:46,290 --> 08:07:54,670
Equal is important and proper in-field development could cause a downward cycle on the established community.

5805
08:07:55,510 --> 08:08:01,610
We want to be good neighbors and partners with those willing to invest in our community.

5806
08:08:02,290 --> 08:08:11,350
However, the proposed change must be measured by tangible and positive outcomes for both the community and the developer.

5807
08:08:11,350 --> 08:08:20,630
to be truly affected development must be strategic, data informed and seamlessly integrated

5808
08:08:21,270 --> 08:08:27,490
with the physical environment. Public perception also plays a key role.

5809
08:08:28,330 --> 08:08:34,290
Zoning should be sustained commitment. There has been substantial growth in the

5810
08:08:34,290 --> 08:08:41,250
community consistent with the planned development zoning you approved in 2024.

5811
08:08:42,390 --> 08:08:45,490
Growth that is in concert with planned development.

5812
08:08:46,290 --> 08:08:50,310
You should either reject the application or put in place restrictions

5813
08:08:50,310 --> 08:08:56,010
that will ensure the character safety, health, and welfare of the

5814
08:08:56,010 --> 08:08:58,170
communities fabric is maintained.

5815
08:08:58,170 --> 08:09:06,250
Either way, what is before you is not a toolbox that makes sense, it's a work in progress

5816
08:09:06,250 --> 08:09:09,650
and does not merit approval as presented.

5817
08:09:10,910 --> 08:09:18,350
And just as an extra personal note, traffic in that area is horrendous.

5818
08:09:18,790 --> 08:09:23,390
I couldn't imagine more semis going through the area.

5819
08:09:23,890 --> 08:09:25,730
Thank you.

5820
08:09:26,450 --> 08:09:27,690
Thank you, Ms. Wagner.

5821
08:09:28,030 --> 08:09:29,370
We will move to the next speaker.

5822
08:09:31,450 --> 08:09:32,030
Good afternoon.

5823
08:09:32,410 --> 08:09:33,770
My name is Sandra Castanio.

5824
08:09:34,050 --> 08:09:36,690
I live at 5774 Chipola Circle,

5825
08:09:37,030 --> 08:09:38,670
Orlando 32839.

5826
08:09:39,730 --> 08:09:41,150
Fiction number one.

5827
08:09:41,570 --> 08:09:43,010
The planners tell you,

5828
08:09:43,050 --> 08:09:47,650
Spread industry into multiple smaller parts near highways,

5829
08:09:48,450 --> 08:09:51,930
rather than close to the end in one massive area.

5830
08:09:53,070 --> 08:09:54,850
That does not work here

5831
08:09:54,850 --> 08:09:59,970
because then I don't really do massive warehouses parts within...

5832
08:10:00,000 --> 08:10:10,560
In the immediate area. Project 1, just was of the applicant side of the road building built on 2021. We

5833
08:10:10,560 --> 08:10:20,720
421, 2, 7, a square feet warehouse, a live manufacturing, operating 24, 7, project number 2, just

5834
08:10:20,720 --> 08:10:27,620
on hold and anobity at the Rundal Main nice property. Could you please play the video for me?

5835
08:10:41,910 --> 08:10:42,550
I

5836
08:10:42,550 --> 08:10:49,950
Project will generate. According to FDOT data, the cost of resurfacing a road could add costs up to $12 million per mile.

5837
08:10:51,250 --> 08:10:58,310
Not only will vehicle overload accelerate infrastructure deterioration, it will pass these costs directly onto the county in state budgets,

5838
08:10:58,550 --> 08:11:06,230
about and at the proposed site the state has invested $8.7 million on road improvements in pedestrian safety for orange blossom trail.

5839
08:11:07,910 --> 08:11:10,590
Which will be reversed by the addition of industrial traffic.

5840
08:11:11,330 --> 08:11:16,450
In addition to mobility and safety issues, the lack of adequate regulation has allowed dangerous

5841
08:11:16,450 --> 08:11:21,410
practices, such as unloading trucks on public roads, which increases the risk of accidents.

5842
08:11:21,730 --> 08:11:26,310
If this massive industrial project is allowed, the cost of emergency services, including

5843
08:11:26,310 --> 08:11:29,330
fire and rescue personnel, will default to the county in state.

5844
08:11:29,510 --> 08:11:31,170
The impact goes beyond infrastructure.

5845
08:11:31,790 --> 08:11:36,290
Tourism, one of the region's main sources of income, will also suffer because, will

5846
08:11:36,290 --> 08:11:37,850
affect mobility in key areas.

5847
08:11:37,850 --> 08:11:45,470
such as Gatlin Avenue, Orange Avenue, and Macboy Road, which connected downtown Orlando, theme parks, and the airport.

5848
08:11:46,370 --> 08:11:53,690
Reducing accessibility and impacting the local economy, economic development is crucial, but it must be executed with planning and responsibility.

5849
08:11:54,290 --> 08:12:00,590
It is not about stopping growth, but about demanding solutions that protect the safety, mobility, and quality of life of our community.

5850
08:12:00,730 --> 08:12:06,470
It is time to make informed decisions. This project will have a destructive effect on our community and should not be approved.

5851
08:12:06,470 --> 08:12:12,190
Our local roads are not designed for the heavy traffic, and devastating impact that the proposed

5852
08:12:12,190 --> 08:12:14,130
massive industrial project will generate.

5853
08:12:14,890 --> 08:12:19,850
According to FTOT data, the cost of resurfacing a road could add costs up to $12 million

5854
08:12:19,850 --> 08:12:20,610
per mile.

5855
08:12:21,850 --> 08:12:26,870
Not only will vehicle overload accelerate infrastructure deterioration, it will pass these costs

5856
08:12:26,870 --> 08:12:31,790
directly onto the county and state budgets, about and that the proposed site the state has invested

5857
08:12:31,790 --> 08:12:34,730
$1.8.7 million on road improvements into this.

5858
08:12:38,210 --> 08:12:38,610
Okay.

5859
08:12:39,790 --> 08:12:43,170
The project was approved and construction is underway.

5860
08:12:44,090 --> 08:12:46,930
Just one and a half miles from the subject side,

5861
08:12:47,630 --> 08:12:50,550
$560,000 square feet of warehouse space,

5862
08:12:50,710 --> 08:12:54,770
$784 parking spaces, $2,365,

5863
08:12:55,070 --> 08:12:56,490
that's what they say,

5864
08:12:56,870 --> 08:13:00,690
new trips affect in I-4 critical intersections.

5865
08:13:00,690 --> 08:13:07,730
and 41.3 acres, a building, high-end residential communities, social slagacy park.

5866
08:13:08,330 --> 08:13:15,390
Fiction number two, they are applicable for you who is proposing a 165,000 square feet

5867
08:13:15,390 --> 08:13:22,270
of warehouse space, told the planning and zoning board that at most, there will be one semi-truck

5868
08:13:22,270 --> 08:13:30,290
per day coming to the site, they believe him, please tell me that you know better, this community

5869
08:13:30,290 --> 08:13:38,170
need you recognize fiction from fact. Our children's and family deserve better. I've been

5870
08:13:38,170 --> 08:13:48,030
begging everybody for the edge good development not to happen and they just laugh a P and they

5871
08:13:48,030 --> 08:13:54,170
told them I'm lying but you guys are making a severance mistakes in the roads of Orlando Florida.

5872
08:13:54,170 --> 08:14:01,170
And this is a brand new city, and it's not supposed to be destroyed before we develop it.

5873
08:14:02,130 --> 08:14:02,530
Thank you.

5874
08:14:02,650 --> 08:14:02,910
All right.

5875
08:14:03,110 --> 08:14:04,270
Thank you very much.

5876
08:14:06,780 --> 08:14:08,000
We'll move to the next speaker.

5877
08:14:19,300 --> 08:14:21,260
My name is Jacqueline Davenport.

5878
08:14:21,540 --> 08:14:32,280
I live at 1124 Hall Lane as president of a volunteer organization of the Pine Castle Safe Community Association Inc.

5879
08:14:32,280 --> 08:14:38,680
We are business and residents laboring for the welfare of our community.

5880
08:14:39,360 --> 08:14:43,460
We facilitate a diverse spectrum of programs.

5881
08:14:44,040 --> 08:14:49,900
Some of our members have been invited to write articles on community and that's what I'm

5882
08:14:49,900 --> 08:14:51,440
giving to you today.

5883
08:14:52,500 --> 08:14:59,960
The application before you have approved without proper safeguards, create dangers for our children.

5884
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:26,800
The applicant site is located within the arts of a school and daycare center. In addition, not mentioned on the staff report, your traffic division has reported that Oak Ridge Road has the most traffic accidents on record in Orange County. School safety is a responsibility of parents and educators and residents.

5885
08:15:26,800 --> 08:15:32,120
The safety of children at school while traveling to it from as a matter of trust.

5886
08:15:32,600 --> 08:15:43,960
When communities perceive the school areas or unsafe, we expect from the staff, excuse me.

5887
08:15:44,660 --> 08:15:55,560
The confidence in local leadership, what restrictions can we expect from the staff from this

5888
08:15:55,560 --> 08:16:01,880
object, restricting billboards and poll signs are not sufficient measures.

5889
08:16:02,340 --> 08:16:08,080
The motions before you would define constantly with a comprehensive plan.

5890
08:16:08,660 --> 08:16:19,960
The staff report primarily consisted of the reference language from the Florida land map.

5891
08:16:19,960 --> 08:16:27,200
The staff report does not address consistency of the fabric of the community.

5892
08:16:32,660 --> 08:16:40,020
You have the ability to reject the application as presented for the safety of our children.

5893
08:16:41,020 --> 08:16:41,520
All

5894
08:16:46,380 --> 08:16:47,200
right, thank you.

5895
08:16:47,820 --> 08:16:48,780
We'll move to the next speaker.

5896
08:16:50,350 --> 08:17:00,030
Nisha Thompson, 202 Harrow-Av, I wasn't going to speak today, but I've watched the state try to convince everyone property taxes are in consequential.

5897
08:17:00,570 --> 08:17:05,850
They want us to be uneducated, selfish and oblivious to how much those taxes affect your daily life.

5898
08:17:06,190 --> 08:17:15,050
Now with that being said, Florida's destruction continues, as Desantis has performing a press conference saying he's putting a moratorium on data centers.

5899
08:17:15,050 --> 08:17:22,090
us before 84. However, if you read the bill, it actually says data centers are allowed to keep

5900
08:17:22,090 --> 08:17:28,190
their plans secret for up to two years with government assistance. They're selling every

5901
08:17:28,190 --> 08:17:34,210
single piece of land in the Everglades to develop, to developers, in turn, decimating our

5902
08:17:34,210 --> 08:17:40,810
Florida Panthers. One cannot ignore these facts. They're data centers of the most dangerous things

5903
08:17:40,810 --> 08:17:42,010
in American history.

5904
08:17:42,490 --> 08:17:46,770
They're destroying land, poisoning our water supply, endless consumption of electricity.

5905
08:17:47,550 --> 08:17:52,310
Yes, it is a small parcel, but people have been making data centers in their garages.

5906
08:17:52,850 --> 08:18:01,290
Changing your status to industrialists, so-so-sus, especially since some of my neighbors are a little bit older,

5907
08:18:01,910 --> 08:18:08,490
perfect age to start ripeting and stealing their houses via payoff or underneath the guys of what

5908
08:18:08,490 --> 08:18:14,530
Companies are doing now is helping the government take our houses through eminent domain.

5909
08:18:15,390 --> 08:18:20,810
Now, I'm going to tell you, this guy, he has not told us what this industrial compact

5910
08:18:20,810 --> 08:18:21,250
does.

5911
08:18:21,430 --> 08:18:26,730
He wants to switch it to industrial because again, they want to keep us stupid.

5912
08:18:27,690 --> 08:18:34,770
Data centers are also sometimes classified under light industrial zoning due to their building

5913
08:18:34,770 --> 08:18:37,050
type and operational needs.

5914
08:18:37,050 --> 08:18:40,950
So keep in mind, we need to work this together.

5915
08:18:41,510 --> 08:18:43,310
They cannot do this to us.

5916
08:18:44,190 --> 08:18:46,190
The traffic that he's talking about,

5917
08:18:46,390 --> 08:18:48,530
there is a private school right there.

5918
08:18:48,830 --> 08:18:49,830
Cornerstone Elementary.

5919
08:18:50,390 --> 08:18:53,010
My kid went there and I could tell you

5920
08:18:53,010 --> 08:18:57,810
from being there at sixth grade to graduating in 2022,

5921
08:18:58,430 --> 08:18:59,690
it was horrible.

5922
08:19:00,250 --> 08:19:02,830
Just the people that lived there would wait.

5923
08:19:03,150 --> 08:19:04,190
I lived in downtown.

5924
08:19:04,290 --> 08:19:06,470
I'm sorry I know I'm over but I lived in downtown

5925
08:19:06,470 --> 08:19:12,510
And I would have to sit from Orange Avenue and Hoffman all the way there for 20 minutes.

5926
08:19:12,770 --> 08:19:13,930
Thank you.

5927
08:19:15,110 --> 08:19:16,550
We understand your passion.

5928
08:19:17,470 --> 08:19:17,950
All right.

5929
08:19:19,010 --> 08:19:20,270
Do we have any other speakers?

5930
08:19:20,670 --> 08:19:22,610
Mayor, I believe that was our last speaker for this item.

5931
08:19:25,010 --> 08:19:26,970
With that then, we'll close the public comment.

5932
08:19:27,250 --> 08:19:31,790
I'll give the applicant or the Rep opportunity to find the rebuttal comments.

5933
08:19:36,230 --> 08:19:36,890
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

5934
08:19:37,470 --> 08:19:42,850
Yeah, I heard the comments that are in there just want to go ahead and talk to Phil and some banks with regards to some information.

5935
08:19:43,550 --> 08:19:44,350
I want it.

5936
08:19:44,510 --> 08:19:50,250
Basically what's happening is that there was a discussion with the girl, a lot of occupancy available with regards to the industrial.

5937
08:19:50,990 --> 08:19:56,610
But this is basically an owner operated for the most part. He's going to own an operate and most of the majority of the area.

5938
08:19:56,750 --> 08:19:59,970
There might be a small piece that you want to at least put for the most part. It's going to be strict.

5939
08:20:00,000 --> 08:20:06,120
General Assembly and owner operated a product that's going through here. With regards to the tenants, we currently have a

5940
08:20:06,120 --> 08:20:12,500
an existing industrial use incident of back portion that's on the property like said the property on or has three properties here. One of

5941
08:20:12,500 --> 08:20:19,440
these was a one that was switched over to the plan development, and he started to get a rear rear back over to the industrial use to match what it was previously

5942
08:20:19,440 --> 08:20:26,580
basically about a six-eight years ago for that. It's trying to get back into matching what's on he has only other lots there.

5943
08:20:26,580 --> 08:20:30,820
But the existing industrial usage on the North ends have been there been a tent for about 30 years.

5944
08:20:30,940 --> 08:20:34,960
These already been operating on this property for quite some time on it.

5945
08:20:34,960 --> 08:20:37,380
Overall from a trip, it's our traffic consideration.

5946
08:20:38,200 --> 08:20:42,200
There was a school proposed to be on this site and if they were actually to build a school,

5947
08:20:42,400 --> 08:20:47,060
based on the previous documentation, they had basically the Regicornage generated about 1200 trips per day,

5948
08:20:47,580 --> 08:20:49,240
with about 83 PM trips.

5949
08:20:50,040 --> 08:20:54,460
And right now what will happen when it's switched over to the industrial is going to reduce down to about 81 trips,

5950
08:20:54,460 --> 08:21:00,580
based on the ITE. And then it's going to reduce the PM trips required for the site to 36.

5951
08:21:00,780 --> 08:21:07,260
So it's going to be a great reduction with regards to PM trips on the property from the property and also from the overall average daily trips.

5952
08:21:07,460 --> 08:21:12,480
So it'll help to keep the traffic down. It is correct that we're going to have the owner basically when he comes in.

5953
08:21:12,660 --> 08:21:18,000
He's going to have one truck a day to come in to greet him to product and then at that point they would redistribute all of the product they have in the house.

5954
08:21:18,000 --> 08:21:22,560
And then it leaves in smaller like FedEx boxes or truck box trucks on it.

5955
08:21:23,120 --> 08:21:27,000
So, from a semi standpoint, that would be basically just one day as always,

5956
08:21:27,000 --> 08:21:30,580
guys the main part comes in at that point for it.

5957
08:21:31,060 --> 08:21:34,460
So, I noticed with some of the pictures and such like that, there are some cars in that

5958
08:21:34,460 --> 08:21:36,140
and trucks being parked within the roadway.

5959
08:21:36,480 --> 08:21:38,980
Obviously, the circulation, that's the one we're not going to be allowed these days.

5960
08:21:39,180 --> 08:21:42,820
So, the overall design of the site will be served where you basically have the internal circulation

5961
08:21:42,820 --> 08:21:45,820
to where when you come back out to the roadway, you're not parking on the roadway.

5962
08:21:45,820 --> 08:21:52,480
The driveway is going to be set up to where obviously to meet the code today to be able to get the trucks in and out without having issues with regards to

5963
08:21:52,480 --> 08:22:03,500
potentially stopping up on the traffic lanes themselves on that, and then any of the buildings would take and be set up to be able to meet the current architectural codes for orange County in order to

5964
08:22:03,500 --> 08:22:15,680
take and make sure we match their other criteria on that, so I think that kind of covers a lot of the questions or some of the questions that were brought up for the products and hopefully that gives a

5965
08:22:15,680 --> 08:22:20,620
the clear picture with regards what the owner is proposing to do for the site and open to any

5966
08:22:20,620 --> 08:22:21,840
questions you might have.

5967
08:22:29,530 --> 08:22:30,050
Let me do this.

5968
08:22:32,250 --> 08:22:39,130
We're going to close the public hearing and before we go to Commissioner Uribe, Commissioner

5969
08:22:39,130 --> 08:22:42,170
Wilson has a question or comment.

5970
08:22:43,770 --> 08:22:44,350
Yes, thank you Mayor.

5971
08:22:45,370 --> 08:22:51,310
So this is a question for the staff, staff analysis on the land use compatibility.

5972
08:22:54,130 --> 08:22:55,170
looking at,

5973
08:22:57,190 --> 08:23:00,410
I think it's like the fourth paragraph down, it says the most recent industrial

5974
08:23:00,410 --> 08:23:08,050
capacity analysis was completed in 2007. Is that something you're using as a basis for compatibility

5975
08:23:08,050 --> 08:23:15,970
or a report that was from 2007? So, unfortunately that's the most up-to-date information we have

5976
08:23:15,970 --> 08:23:20,130
in this planning horizon, technically we're still in the 2030 planning horizon, one special

5977
08:23:20,130 --> 08:23:23,370
which is a whole other topic becomes effective.

5978
08:23:23,630 --> 08:23:25,370
We would move on to the 2050 horizon,

5979
08:23:25,730 --> 08:23:30,070
but based off of where we are now,

5980
08:23:31,070 --> 08:23:32,270
those numbers are...

5981
08:23:32,270 --> 08:23:33,490
It's a pretty conclusion.

5982
08:23:33,850 --> 08:23:35,250
Resetment that based on this,

5983
08:23:35,530 --> 08:23:37,990
that there's a need for more of a zoning,

5984
08:23:38,210 --> 08:23:39,310
but more of this land use.

5985
08:23:40,870 --> 08:23:41,110
Correct.

5986
08:23:41,290 --> 08:23:42,650
I mean, that's what the analysis finds.

5987
08:23:42,670 --> 08:23:44,230
It's 20 years old.

5988
08:23:44,630 --> 08:23:44,870
Correct.

5989
08:23:45,750 --> 08:23:45,890
That is...

5990
08:23:45,890 --> 08:23:45,930
Yeah.

5991
08:23:46,390 --> 08:23:46,810
That's so complex.

5992
08:23:46,810 --> 08:23:58,130
Okay, sorry, I'm not your, I want to make sure I'm highlighting the fact that that is something that as part of an analysis for compatibility, I would think that there would be some

5993
08:24:00,400 --> 08:24:07,940
other analysis of the need for this particular land use, especially understanding sort of the impacts to historic hearing.

5994
08:24:08,480 --> 08:24:19,060
Sure, I mean, so in terms of the analysis, one aspect of it was reference to the capacity shortage as found in 2007 we haven't had any updated data that suggests that there's a

5995
08:24:19,060 --> 08:24:23,420
still isn't a deficiency, it would be great to have that information, but we don't have it available.

5996
08:24:24,700 --> 08:24:30,360
But in terms of compatibility with the properties that are immediately adjacent, there

5997
08:24:30,360 --> 08:24:34,840
is an established pattern of industrial, future land use, and when we're evaluating any

5998
08:24:34,840 --> 08:24:39,480
property, one of the first things we do is consider what's immediately adjacent to understand

5999
08:24:39,480 --> 08:24:48,920
how that impact might be relevant to what's present, and so it's not just based on the

6000
08:24:48,920 --> 08:24:51,660
capacity analysis although it did play a factor in our conclusions.

6001
08:25:00,000 --> 08:25:25,980
I understand that if it wasn't available and that it was one factor, just based on my reading, though, it was part of the determination, and I guess, you know, and I don't know if we've established something, and Nick, maybe this is a question for you, but about the freshness, if you will, of information, especially when you're looking at capacity building for a future underlying land use.

6002
08:25:25,980 --> 08:25:35,420
I would think that something 20 years old in that capacity analysis that I would rather not be included as part of the analysis, we don't have good information.

6003
08:25:36,400 --> 08:25:37,000
I would rather.

6004
08:25:37,680 --> 08:25:42,400
So one thing to point out is in addition to the study there are comprehensive plan policies.

6005
08:25:42,680 --> 08:25:44,400
And typically that's how comprehensive plan works.

6006
08:25:44,900 --> 08:25:50,300
We do a data analysis for as Julie mentioned, a long plan horizon.

6007
08:25:50,300 --> 08:25:53,960
Well, that's what he uses this for. He actually uses it to justify a value

6008
08:25:54,500 --> 08:26:00,420
1, 4, 2, 0, orange county seeks to retain adequate supply of industrial land use and then

6009
08:26:00,420 --> 08:26:04,640
justifies it by citing the 2007 capacity.

6010
08:26:05,360 --> 08:26:12,340
So, I think those policies go on to say that there is an eat and based on the analysis that does

6011
08:26:12,340 --> 08:26:17,580
go out, as Julie mentioned, out to 2030, there is an eat for those industrial lands and it is

6012
08:26:17,580 --> 08:26:22,020
to say that it is very, very difficult to create new industrial lands and that new industrial

6013
08:26:22,020 --> 08:26:24,120
tax base, which is why there are those policies.

6014
08:26:24,120 --> 08:26:28,720
Yeah, but I think in this case, the county went through the process of changing the underlying

6015
08:26:28,720 --> 08:26:32,980
land use because of, probably some, um,

6016
08:26:35,320 --> 08:26:36,760
alignment with the comprehensive land.

6017
08:26:37,300 --> 08:26:37,620
Yes, so.

6018
08:26:37,640 --> 08:26:39,140
And this is a reversal of that.

6019
08:26:39,160 --> 08:26:43,000
Yeah, on the history here, I think the, the property originally, they wanted to go commercial,

6020
08:26:43,800 --> 08:26:47,120
uh, the board at the time was uncomfortable with going straight commercial, which was where

6021
08:26:47,120 --> 08:26:52,540
that PD commercial came from, that PD commercial requires is it forces the developer

6022
08:26:52,540 --> 08:26:57,680
property owner to resound the PD to go through that more highly negotiated process.

6023
08:26:57,860 --> 08:27:01,520
I'm assuming the board at the time thought that well if there is going to be commercial

6024
08:27:01,520 --> 08:27:02,500
here there are going to be alternative.

6025
08:27:03,220 --> 08:27:06,600
Uses that's something that needs to go through that negotiated process.

6026
08:27:06,980 --> 08:27:09,780
We know a couple of years ago, property owner did go through that process.

6027
08:27:10,020 --> 08:27:15,060
We worked with the commissioner in the community on that school PD to come up with a number

6028
08:27:15,060 --> 08:27:20,820
of conditions, which seems they're not moving forward with that, and they want to go the other

6029
08:27:20,820 --> 08:27:21,880
way now.

6030
08:27:23,020 --> 08:27:23,760
Thank you.

6031
08:27:26,210 --> 08:27:27,110
Commissioner Samurai.

6032
08:27:28,630 --> 08:27:29,190
Thank you, Mayor.

6033
08:27:32,260 --> 08:27:37,600
So I, so there's only, so I have two issues that are happening right here.

6034
08:27:37,600 --> 08:27:42,860
So one, there's like 0.25 wetland impact, that's going to be on that.

6035
08:27:43,740 --> 08:27:46,600
And I know it only sounds like, hey, it's just 0.25.

6036
08:27:46,600 --> 08:27:58,740
But when we look collectively about how the 0.25s add up over the course of time, we start seeing properties flood in ways that they've never flooded before and we are seeing that every time we have a heavy storm.

6037
08:27:59,640 --> 08:28:14,640
And the result of that is increased property insurance and flood insurance that has outpriced many, many people, including the seniors who showed up today to advocate on behalf of their community.

6038
08:28:15,860 --> 08:28:23,920
The Florida Legislature has completely failed to address property insurance increases, flood insurance increases,

6039
08:28:24,460 --> 08:28:29,540
and has handed over the keys for development to developers who fund their campaigns.

6040
08:28:30,460 --> 08:28:37,780
So, I basically took a oath. I'm not going to contribute to that problem. I'm not voting for any wetland impact.

6041
08:28:37,780 --> 08:28:50,680
Because right now we're looking at less than a 1% annual growth rate in Florida, which is the all-time low with the exception of in the 1940s and the great recession.

6042
08:28:53,530 --> 08:29:06,590
One of the reasons that that's happening, we're actually the only reason is because Florida is so unaffordable and one variable contributing into that equation is because of property insurance and flood insurance.

6043
08:29:06,590 --> 08:29:15,610
Where we sit now today is voters are going to walk into the booth in November and they're going to decide whether or not they should reduce their property tax.

6044
08:29:18,620 --> 08:29:21,920
If they check the box, yes, it's because they're hurting.

6045
08:29:22,160 --> 08:29:23,460
They're wallets are hurting.

6046
08:29:23,860 --> 08:29:28,700
They're strapping their belts and they're strapping the government belt as well.

6047
08:29:29,420 --> 08:29:31,540
But had we addressed property insurance?

6048
08:29:31,540 --> 08:29:34,040
Had Florida legislature not failed?

6049
08:29:34,760 --> 08:29:36,420
We might not be in this predicament.

6050
08:29:36,420 --> 08:29:52,300
So, 0.25 acre is too much for me because we shouldn't be in the predicament of where we are today, and we got here by saying 0.25 doesn't matter, 0.25 doesn't matter, 0.25 doesn't matter, eventually it all adds up in it all matters, and we see it through the cost of our insurance.

6051
08:29:53,780 --> 08:29:57,500
Additionally, when the people of Orange County, people of Orange County are my North Star.

6052
08:29:58,160 --> 08:29:59,960
And when the people show up in these chains...

6053
08:30:00,000 --> 08:30:22,140
Members and say this is not the type of growth or development that we want to see in our community. I support you. I'm standing with the community. I'm standing with the fact that we're pricing ourselves out of our own state by doing these little point two five digs into our environmental assets that mother nature gave us to deal with the incredible storms that Florida gets. So I would not support this. Thank you.

6054
08:30:25,400 --> 08:30:27,860
Well, Commissioner, are you reading for us, Rose?

6055
08:30:34,380 --> 08:30:38,260
First of all, I really do wish that the county would

6056
08:30:38,260 --> 08:30:39,420
relook at this.

6057
08:30:39,740 --> 08:30:41,800
I don't know if you guys remember two months ago,

6058
08:30:41,960 --> 08:30:43,880
the TAF community sat here and said,

6059
08:30:44,500 --> 08:30:48,020
please stop taking our community away by industrializing

6060
08:30:48,020 --> 08:30:48,600
everything.

6061
08:30:49,320 --> 08:30:52,800
And I love someone who born and raised in Pine Castle

6062
08:30:52,800 --> 08:30:54,460
and still lives in Pine Castle.

6063
08:30:55,520 --> 08:30:58,060
What we don't remember is a history of Orange County.

6064
08:30:58,300 --> 08:31:00,500
Everything came in and out on the railroad tracks.

6065
08:31:00,500 --> 08:31:12,360
So it made sense that you had things along the railroad track like this property, but you know you also had houses right on the railroad tracks because that was a way goods came in and left.

6066
08:31:13,420 --> 08:31:16,800
What wasn't discussed and I appreciate you.

6067
08:31:16,960 --> 08:31:27,320
I was a little bothered by the one picture you show which is a car mechanic shop across the street because that doesn't give a full story of what that area is.

6068
08:31:27,320 --> 08:31:31,240
because cornerstone just invested one block away

6069
08:31:31,240 --> 08:31:34,880
and increasing 1,200 students of their school.

6070
08:31:35,780 --> 08:31:38,560
There is a gallery, a block and a half away.

6071
08:31:39,620 --> 08:31:42,740
There's a women's council, less than a block away.

6072
08:31:43,480 --> 08:31:46,980
There's the Pine Castle Safe Neighborhoods, less than a block away.

6073
08:31:47,860 --> 08:31:51,860
And two years ago, we've, we're trying to create this Main Street,

6074
08:31:52,100 --> 08:31:54,840
which included Pine Castle, like Lockhart.

6075
08:31:54,840 --> 08:32:01,980
So, here we have contrary to what the county says we should have been 20 years ago, actually converting.

6076
08:32:02,300 --> 08:32:05,080
And if you really pay attention to the satellite map,

6077
08:32:05,380 --> 08:32:08,240
you don't see all the houses surrounding this area too.

6078
08:32:08,520 --> 08:32:12,100
Or the church, right next to the property, as you go into it.

6079
08:32:12,400 --> 08:32:21,960
So, when you discuss industrial, what you're missing is so much more to this community than what is being portrayed on a screen.

6080
08:32:21,960 --> 08:32:24,500
And this is, I won't be here long enough,

6081
08:32:24,760 --> 08:32:26,820
but this is something that we started digging into,

6082
08:32:27,000 --> 08:32:28,640
which is these future land uses,

6083
08:32:29,440 --> 08:32:32,500
that were created 20 plus years ago,

6084
08:32:32,960 --> 08:32:34,980
and are eating at our communities.

6085
08:32:36,120 --> 08:32:38,780
And I'm so thankful that you guys stayed.

6086
08:32:38,900 --> 08:32:40,780
I'm so thankful that you guys came.

6087
08:32:41,680 --> 08:32:45,880
And with that, I am proud to put a motion

6088
08:32:45,880 --> 08:32:50,380
to deny this application for our Pine Castle community.

6089
08:32:52,450 --> 08:32:56,850
Okay, I think this second to her was commissioned in a similar way.

6090
08:32:57,450 --> 08:32:58,430
She was louder.

6091
08:33:00,870 --> 08:33:01,790
All right.

6092
08:33:02,330 --> 08:33:08,950
All in favor, let it be normal saying, I opposed no motion passes and it is unanimous.

6093
08:33:10,090 --> 08:33:14,750
We're going to move forward to the next item on our agenda item 812.

6094
08:33:15,230 --> 08:33:15,750
I'm

6095
08:33:20,390 --> 08:33:22,250
going to open the public hearing on this item.

6096
08:33:22,250 --> 08:33:26,570
And Mr. What did I say?

6097
08:33:27,330 --> 08:33:28,870
I at the well.

6098
08:33:28,870 --> 08:33:30,390
I at the well.

6099
08:33:32,830 --> 08:33:35,250
I'm going to call them as a Julie and

6100
08:33:36,170 --> 08:33:39,090
a good anecdote to also frame this item with that to recognize.

6101
08:33:41,510 --> 08:33:44,050
Good evening again Mr. Mayor and commissioners.

6102
08:33:44,270 --> 08:33:45,490
Julie and good anecdote with the planning division.

6103
08:33:45,810 --> 08:33:48,810
It's time we are discussing small scale, future land use map amendment.

6104
08:33:48,810 --> 08:33:56,310
SS-260309 and concurrent rezoning case R-V260309.

6105
08:33:56,810 --> 08:33:59,830
The applicant is Rebecca Wilson of Lounds law firm.

6106
08:34:00,550 --> 08:34:05,870
The specific request is to change the future land use from medium density residential to commercial.

6107
08:34:06,850 --> 08:34:12,590
And the rezoning from R-3 restricted, which is a multi-family district to C-3 restricted,

6108
08:34:13,230 --> 08:34:17,080
the current restriction on the multi-family district only allows the use of

6109
08:34:17,080 --> 08:34:23,860
place of worship or church is previously owned by a church. They've, from what I understand, sold the property to the current owner.

6110
08:34:25,100 --> 08:34:32,800
And the proposed restriction on the C3 district is to allow for C2 uses with the addition of one C3 use, which is flex warehousing.

6111
08:34:33,660 --> 08:34:40,940
The acreage is 2.48 acres of or 0.48 R wetlands, so there's two net-developable acres on the property.

6112
08:34:42,900 --> 08:34:45,580
This is where we're located. It's in district 2.

6113
08:34:46,240 --> 08:34:48,000
This is an aerial view of the subter property.

6114
08:34:48,240 --> 08:34:51,400
You can see it's a very unique configuration.

6115
08:34:51,780 --> 08:34:53,840
It's extremely narrow and very long.

6116
08:34:55,810 --> 08:34:58,170
And as I mentioned, the existing feature land uses MDR.

6117
08:34:59,430 --> 08:34:59,970
You can see.

6118
08:35:00,000 --> 08:35:06,860
To the west and southwest, the bud's commercial future land use, and then to the south, there is a multi-family development

6119
08:35:06,860 --> 08:35:11,940
and to the northeast, the town of Eubill, and its commercial designation in the town of Eubill.

6120
08:35:15,460 --> 08:35:20,920
The current zoning, as mentioned, is our three restricted, and as discussed, they are requesting C3 restricted.

6121
08:35:22,500 --> 08:35:31,000
This is the subject site. Again, it's a place of worship, but no longer operable at this location. You can see to the north, or the left of the screen,

6122
08:35:33,140 --> 08:35:36,040
This is the interior of the subject site.

6123
08:35:36,320 --> 08:35:38,940
This is looking northward along Forest City Road.

6124
08:35:39,120 --> 08:35:40,200
You can see the commercial corridor.

6125
08:35:41,240 --> 08:35:44,360
To the south, this is a vacant unapproved commercial property.

6126
08:35:45,020 --> 08:35:46,560
Again, already has commercial destination.

6127
08:35:47,040 --> 08:35:50,900
I believe it is under common ownership with this applicant as well.

6128
08:35:52,140 --> 08:35:54,220
This is south of the site, the multi-family.

6129
08:35:54,660 --> 08:35:56,740
I want to point out that any commercial development,

6130
08:35:57,040 --> 08:35:59,560
adjacent to multi-family is required to provide buffering.

6131
08:35:59,560 --> 08:36:02,040
So this applicant would be required to do the same

6132
08:36:02,540 --> 08:36:05,120
and the particular buffering would be worked out

6133
08:36:05,120 --> 08:36:06,080
at time of permit.

6134
08:36:07,580 --> 08:36:10,440
These to the site is the lake, there's no proposed impact

6135
08:36:10,440 --> 08:36:13,120
or modification to the lake, no Docker connection

6136
08:36:13,120 --> 08:36:14,600
to the lake as far as I'm aware.

6137
08:36:15,480 --> 08:36:17,440
And then, west of the site across Forestary Road,

6138
08:36:17,460 --> 08:36:20,700
you have a mix of office and commercial uses.

6139
08:36:21,620 --> 08:36:23,840
There was a community meeting held on March 12.

6140
08:36:24,800 --> 08:36:26,720
One individual was an attendance.

6141
08:36:26,720 --> 08:36:30,020
they did not support or oppose this for questions.

6142
08:36:30,240 --> 08:36:32,600
It was more so informational and they asked some questions

6143
08:36:32,600 --> 08:36:36,220
and with the applicants for sponsors they had no concerns.

6144
08:36:37,660 --> 08:36:41,620
We have not received any letters of opposition or contacts regarding this request.

6145
08:36:43,240 --> 08:36:48,800
With that staff recommends, you find, to adopt, the Futurulani snap amendment

6146
08:36:48,800 --> 08:36:51,360
and approval of the concurrent rezoning.

6147
08:36:52,020 --> 08:36:54,960
With two restrictions, billboards and poll signs shall be prohibited

6148
08:36:54,960 --> 08:37:01,420
and uses shall be limited to C2 uses, and the C3 use of flux warehousing along with associated

6149
08:37:01,420 --> 08:37:05,440
infrastructure and parking, and I'm happy to answer any questions as needed.

6150
08:37:06,800 --> 08:37:07,860
All right, standby.

6151
08:37:09,040 --> 08:37:10,520
Is the applicant all right?

6152
08:37:11,600 --> 08:37:12,860
Once again, it's Wilson.

6153
08:37:16,290 --> 08:37:21,190
Mayor, thank you so much Rebecca Wilson, 2015, Northeal, a drive here on behalf of the applicant.

6154
08:37:21,910 --> 08:37:26,930
And it's my first project in Commissioner Krabs district, so happy to answer any questions

6155
08:37:26,930 --> 08:37:32,510
that he may have, and to Commissioner Simran, this is the project that has the Wetland

6156
08:37:32,510 --> 08:37:36,510
Determination and we are not requesting any impacts to the Wetland.

6157
08:37:39,920 --> 08:37:41,700
Wetland impacts on here?

6158
08:37:42,800 --> 08:37:43,660
This was, okay.

6159
08:37:45,080 --> 08:37:45,560
Thank you.

6160
08:37:46,540 --> 08:37:48,260
And I'm happy to share the site plan.

6161
08:37:48,340 --> 08:37:51,520
It's an unusual piece of property if you have any questions about that.

6162
08:37:52,160 --> 08:37:56,060
But we agree with the staff report and we're here to answer any questions the board may have

6163
08:37:56,060 --> 08:37:56,260
there.

6164
08:37:56,920 --> 08:37:57,240
All right.

6165
08:37:57,420 --> 08:37:58,600
Thank you very much.

6166
08:37:58,600 --> 08:38:03,940
With that, do we have members of the public present who should be heard on this item?

6167
08:38:04,040 --> 08:38:05,460
We've been to the speakers for the side of Mayer.

6168
08:38:05,980 --> 08:38:06,240
All right.

6169
08:38:06,500 --> 08:38:08,040
Then we'll close the public hearing.

6170
08:38:08,600 --> 08:38:12,460
Commissioner Crab will go to you for potential motion of questions.

6171
08:38:14,420 --> 08:38:14,600
Yes.

6172
08:38:14,620 --> 08:38:15,360
Thank you.

6173
08:38:15,960 --> 08:38:20,960
This piece of property, the conversion to commercial fits well in the area.

6174
08:38:22,020 --> 08:38:24,280
With the buffer, the required buffer between the apartments.

6175
08:38:24,280 --> 08:38:31,220
I'm confident that this will turn into a nice piece of property, so with that I move that it

6176
08:38:31,220 --> 08:38:32,040
that it be approved.

6177
08:38:32,040 --> 08:38:33,060
Second Wilson.

6178
08:38:33,340 --> 08:38:33,860
All right.

6179
08:38:34,000 --> 08:38:36,040
We have a motion and a second.

6180
08:38:36,720 --> 08:38:39,300
All in the favor of letting me know I'm saying aye.

6181
08:38:39,580 --> 08:38:40,680
We'll pose no in the motion.

6182
08:38:40,960 --> 08:38:43,080
The second was Commissioner Wilson.

6183
08:38:46,170 --> 08:38:47,350
Both as unanimous.

6184
08:38:47,570 --> 08:38:47,630
All right.

6185
08:38:47,850 --> 08:38:52,490
With that, we'll move to the next item on our agenda, which is J13.

6186
08:38:53,110 --> 08:38:55,090
We'll open the public hearing on this item.

6187
08:38:55,650 --> 08:39:01,550
Do we realize we have a number of persons from the healthcare industry who've been here for a while now.

6188
08:39:02,050 --> 08:39:02,710
So welcome.

6189
08:39:03,370 --> 08:39:07,530
Mr. John Goodrich, our Deputy Director of Health Services will be frame in this item.

6190
08:39:07,730 --> 08:39:09,550
With that, Mr. Goodrich, you have recognized.

6191
08:39:10,190 --> 08:39:11,390
Good evening, Mayor Commissioner.

6192
08:39:11,650 --> 08:39:17,910
Today I'm here to discuss some proposed modifications to the local provider participation fund ordinance.

6193
08:39:22,960 --> 08:39:30,080
So the local provider participation fund ordinance was approved by the BCC on August 21, 2021.

6194
08:39:30,480 --> 08:39:35,640
It authorizes a non-advillarum special assessment to be imposed against private for-profit

6195
08:39:35,640 --> 08:39:38,240
and non-for-profit hospitals in Orange County.

6196
08:39:38,880 --> 08:39:43,300
It provides that proceeds be used only to benefit the assessed hospital properties through

6197
08:39:43,300 --> 08:39:48,640
enhanced Medicaid reimbursements for health care services provided to the Medicaid eligible

6198
08:39:48,640 --> 08:39:49,500
population.

6199
08:39:50,560 --> 08:39:59,980
The assessment does not financially impact the county or the county's residents, and currently all hospitals must participate and sign an indemnification agreement with the county.

6200
08:40:00,000 --> 08:40:08,480
And 28 jurisdictions have an LPPF program, including Hillsborough, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties.

6201
08:40:10,960 --> 08:40:18,610
Funds that are collected in the LPPF are sent to the state's agency for healthcare administration and used to fund the state's directed payment program.

6202
08:40:19,600 --> 08:40:23,980
Participating in DPP allows hospitals to receive a higher Medicaid reimbursement rate.

6203
08:40:23,980 --> 08:40:33,180
Currently hospitals are only reimbursed 60 cents on the dollar from Medicaid expenses, and participating in DPP increases reimbursement closer to a dollar.

6204
08:40:34,060 --> 08:40:39,620
The program is administered by Oca and must be approved by CMS at the federal level annually.

6205
08:40:41,380 --> 08:40:43,680
So this just elicit participating hospitals in the county.

6206
08:40:46,110 --> 08:40:49,370
And this is the LPPF budget over the last six years.

6207
08:40:49,370 --> 08:40:55,630
I just wanted to point out that although this is passed through funding, it isn't included in the overall county budget number.

6208
08:40:56,370 --> 08:40:58,690
And that's close to 600 million this year.

6209
08:41:01,790 --> 08:41:10,650
Recent negotiations with Oka and CMS require the following ordinance revisions to ensure compliance with current anticipated program requirements.

6210
08:41:10,650 --> 08:41:32,250
The first revision will allow certain hospitals to be exempted from the LPPF assessment, the second revision will allow LPPF funds for approved programs in addition to the directed payment program, and the third revision clarifies the timing and formula of the assessment resolution, and I'll discuss each of these more in depth.

6211
08:41:34,090 --> 08:41:39,530
So currently the assessment must be broad-based, which means it must include all hospitals and

6212
08:41:39,530 --> 08:41:40,010
the county.

6213
08:41:40,670 --> 08:41:44,970
This is created a statewide challenge for smaller hospitals due to significant unfruitment

6214
08:41:44,970 --> 08:41:45,510
costs.

6215
08:41:46,110 --> 08:41:50,410
And to mitigate this, the state has requested a waivers from CMS to exempt smaller hospitals

6216
08:41:50,410 --> 08:41:51,950
from this assessment.

6217
08:41:52,590 --> 08:41:57,590
If these waivers are approved, it would exempt four hospitals in Orange County and these hospitals

6218
08:41:57,590 --> 08:42:00,030
make up less than 1% of the current assessment.

6219
08:42:00,030 --> 08:42:07,030
So, the hospitals pending removal are as fire health partners, university behavioral center,

6220
08:42:07,430 --> 08:42:10,550
select specialty hospital, and essential Florida behavioral hospital.

6221
08:42:11,510 --> 08:42:15,870
So we are proposing to amend the ordinance to allow these waiver hospitals to be exempted

6222
08:42:15,870 --> 08:42:17,570
from the assessment resolution.

6223
08:42:18,710 --> 08:42:22,270
It's important, this exemption applies just to the assessment.

6224
08:42:22,750 --> 08:42:26,850
The four hospitals will still receive the increased Medicaid reimbursement rate.

6225
08:42:28,550 --> 08:42:37,210
So, the second revision we are proposing is the current ordinance was written specifically to provide funding to the directed payment program.

6226
08:42:37,950 --> 08:42:44,930
And currently, Auckland CMS are discussing whether to redirect some DPP funding toward a new quality metrics program.

6227
08:42:45,650 --> 08:42:51,490
Additionally, the funding could already be used for other currently approved programs that are out there.

6228
08:42:51,490 --> 08:43:01,550
So we propose and menu the ordinance to make clear that funding can be used for any CMS authorized, supplemental, or quality incentive program.

6229
08:43:04,240 --> 08:43:09,280
And this brings us to our last revision. The current ordinance has some administrative language that needs to be clarified.

6230
08:43:10,100 --> 08:43:16,120
But ordinance specifies that the OCA, L-O-A, must be fully executed before the assessment resolution is approved.

6231
08:43:16,660 --> 08:43:21,580
This is not always possible and may lead to delays in approving a future assessment resolution.

6232
08:43:21,580 --> 08:43:33,080
So we propose a mending the ordinance to make clear and execute a letter of agreement is needed before funds are transferred to the state and not before the board approves the assessment resolution.

6233
08:43:36,670 --> 08:43:45,150
Additional, additionally the ordinance specifies the calculation of the percent of the aggregate net patient revenue is based on a county wide amount.

6234
08:43:45,150 --> 08:43:50,570
Recent federal guidance is clarified this should be calculated on a statewide basis and the formula

6235
08:43:50,570 --> 08:43:53,950
and ordinance needs to be updated to reflect this change.

6236
08:43:54,990 --> 08:43:59,670
So we propose emending the ordinance so the percentage of aggregate net patient revenue for all

6237
08:43:59,670 --> 08:44:03,990
assessed hospitals is calculated using that statewide amount.

6238
08:44:06,150 --> 08:44:11,750
In summary, staff recommends approval of ordinance revisions to allow CMS to prove hospital exemptions,

6239
08:44:11,750 --> 08:44:17,750
authorized the use of funds for any CMS or an OCA approved supplemental or quality incentive program

6240
08:44:17,750 --> 08:44:23,230
and clarify current language to update the timing and formula of the assessment.

6241
08:44:23,610 --> 08:44:26,030
There is no cost to the counting to these revisions.

6242
08:44:27,230 --> 08:44:28,450
This concludes my presentation.

6243
08:44:28,810 --> 08:44:30,950
I have a proposed action requested for your consideration.

6244
08:44:31,610 --> 08:44:33,250
Thank you.

6245
08:44:33,590 --> 08:44:33,730
All right.

6246
08:44:33,850 --> 08:44:34,750
Thank you.

6247
08:44:35,490 --> 08:44:36,950
Do we have a members of the public present?

6248
08:44:37,130 --> 08:44:38,210
We should be hearing on this item.

6249
08:44:38,490 --> 08:44:39,810
We have no speakers for the side of the mayor.

6250
08:44:40,430 --> 08:44:40,650
All right.

6251
08:44:40,650 --> 08:44:47,650
Then we'll close the public hearing and we have the action before us.

6252
08:44:49,250 --> 08:44:53,130
We do have commissioners and you have pressure button.

6253
08:44:55,010 --> 08:44:57,290
Commissioner Scott is making a motion for approvals.

6254
08:44:57,570 --> 08:44:59,190
The Secondary is Commission of Wilson.

6255
08:44:59,770 --> 08:44:59,970
All in favor.

6256
08:45:05,980 --> 08:45:29,980
We have an item, the next item that will schedule this discussion agenda item B1. We had a public hearing schedule that was supposed to begin at 5 o'clock, we will obviously well pass that at this point. And this is regarding an item, we have an item that will continue to continue to continue to continue to continue to continue to continue to continue to continue to

6257
08:45:29,980 --> 08:45:51,640
K-14, but this morning we pulled item I-7 that was in tandem with K-14, I'm going to go ahead and this item should move fairly quickly and then we'll have the discussion agenda item that will take a bit longer.

6258
08:45:52,700 --> 08:45:58,100
So with that I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing at this time on

6259
08:45:59,140 --> 08:46:02,960
K-14 along with the item that was pool of this morning.

6260
08:46:03,300 --> 08:46:07,980
I seven, Mr. James Gray, the Assistant Project Manager from the Zone Division is going

6261
08:46:07,980 --> 08:46:12,780
to come forward and frame this item, and then we'll have public comment.

6262
08:46:18,780 --> 08:46:21,280
Good evening, Mayor commissioners.

6263
08:46:22,180 --> 08:46:22,440
Thank you.

6264
08:46:22,880 --> 08:46:23,280
Thank you.

6265
08:46:24,460 --> 08:46:26,340
Since we get the PowerPoint up here, here we go.

6266
08:46:27,160 --> 08:46:31,100
I'm James Gray, I'm the Assistant Product Manager with the Zoning Division here, and I have

6267
08:46:31,100 --> 08:46:38,780
for you today. The second of two public hearings regarding an ordinance related to mobile temporary

6268
08:46:38,780 --> 08:46:39,860
overnight shelters.

6269
08:46:43,200 --> 08:46:48,120
Quick outline will look at the background, proposed code amendments and

6270
08:46:48,120 --> 08:46:52,660
ordinance amendments. There have been some minor changes to that. The fee resolution that was

6271
08:46:52,660 --> 08:46:55,900
pulled earlier, that's going with this item now, and the requested action.

6272
08:46:57,960 --> 08:46:58,460
The background,

6273
08:46:59,160 --> 08:47:05,020
Back in May of last year, we had a memo from District 1, Mr. Wilson, requesting that the board

6274
08:47:05,020 --> 08:47:10,580
has a discussion on zoning or zoning ordinance to address the parking of buses, trailers,

6275
08:47:10,880 --> 08:47:15,880
and other mobile structures supporting homeless shelters and transitional service providers.

6276
08:47:16,460 --> 08:47:21,240
On February of this year, there was a board discussion where they directed staff to create some proposed

6277
08:47:21,240 --> 08:47:29,300
code amendments. And then on June 1st, BCC work session, June 18th, PCC work session, July 17th,

6278
08:47:29,440 --> 08:47:36,000
PCC public hearing, and then on August 4th, we have the first BCC public hearing. First

6279
08:47:36,000 --> 08:47:37,660
of two, again, this is the second one.

6280
08:47:39,820 --> 08:47:43,900
So the proposed code amendments slash ordinance amendments

6281
08:47:45,120 --> 08:47:50,680
is to create a new definition in section 381 where the definitions live for mobile temporary

6282
08:47:50,680 --> 08:47:56,680
overnight shelter, that's MTOS, which would be a self-propelled vehicle, including a bus,

6283
08:47:57,060 --> 08:48:01,380
lawfully registered and operable for use on public roads, that has been retrofitted

6284
08:48:01,380 --> 08:48:07,040
for temporary overnight sleeping accommodations and sanitary facilities, and that is operated

6285
08:48:07,040 --> 08:48:09,540
as part of an approved social service program.

6286
08:48:10,080 --> 08:48:15,040
We don't have a picture of one here, but just for illustrative purposes, imagine a greyhound

6287
08:48:15,040 --> 08:48:19,140
or a motor coach or something along those lines where the seats have been taken out and

6288
08:48:19,140 --> 08:48:22,600
have basically bunk beds lining the aisle.

6289
08:48:25,150 --> 08:48:28,270
We are also proposing to add the M2OS as a specific

6290
08:48:28,270 --> 08:48:35,770
use in the use table section 3877 and they would be permitted outright in commercial and industrial

6291
08:48:35,770 --> 08:48:38,830
zoning districts subject to the general requirements.

6292
08:48:41,470 --> 08:48:43,550
Those general requirements are as follows.

6293
08:48:43,730 --> 08:48:51,310
I will note that initially we were planning to put these in subsection 7 of 3879 and legal has

6294
08:48:51,310 --> 08:48:54,970
advised us that they should go in a Subsection 183 instead.

6295
08:48:57,290 --> 08:49:01,830
They must be operated by or pursuant to a written agreement with a governmental agency

6296
08:49:01,830 --> 08:49:07,690
and in coordination with a bona fide institutional use, such as a non-profit or social

6297
08:49:07,690 --> 08:49:12,450
service organization, church or school, and shall function as an extension of the services

6298
08:49:12,450 --> 08:49:14,370
provided by such institution.

6299
08:49:15,910 --> 08:49:20,070
The arrival and departure of occupants shall be conducted by or under the direction of

6300
08:49:20,070 --> 08:49:25,690
governmental agency or affiliated institutional partner operating the MTOS as part of its

6301
08:49:25,690 --> 08:49:27,150
coordinated service program.

6302
08:49:28,370 --> 08:49:32,810
And then occupancy of the MTOS shall be limited to people referred through the program operator.

6303
08:49:36,090 --> 08:49:41,310
The overnight parking location site must have an existing lawful principle use and shall

6304
08:49:41,310 --> 08:49:47,350
provide access to backup water and restroom facilities for the MTOS occupants in the event

6305
08:49:47,350 --> 08:49:50,990
that on-board facilities become unavailable or inoperable.

6306
08:49:51,130 --> 08:49:53,950
So there has to be a primary structure there on the property.

6307
08:49:54,190 --> 08:49:55,330
It can't just be an empty lock.

6308
08:49:57,010 --> 08:49:59,970
If NMTOS may be parked overnight, excuse me.

6309
08:50:00,210 --> 08:50:16,830
At the site of an approved social service provider, so long as the provider's location is in a zoning district that permits the MTLS and the unoccupied MTLS is located in an approved parking area during the hours of 7 AM to 7 PM.

6310
08:50:17,830 --> 08:50:26,490
So here making a distinction between the occupied and unoccupied MTLS and where it's allowed to park when it's occupied versus when it's unoccupied.

6311
08:50:26,490 --> 08:50:32,570
We'll get into a little bit more of this with some of the other standards, but essentially if it's unoccupied,

6312
08:50:33,250 --> 08:50:41,210
the property would need to be zoned somewhere where you can do a dual rear wheel vehicle, if it's unoccupied.

6313
08:50:41,650 --> 08:50:48,270
If it's occupied, it would need to meet these standards and some of those properties might meet those standards and some of them might not.

6314
08:50:51,060 --> 08:50:57,340
Electrical service shall be provided by either a lawful electrical connection to the overnight location site or by a built-in generator

6315
08:50:57,340 --> 08:51:03,760
that is internal to the NTOS, portable or external generators are prohibited, so these buses

6316
08:51:03,760 --> 08:51:11,860
have a way to add a internal generator for their power or would be outside of the bus.

6317
08:51:12,040 --> 08:51:15,420
We are prohibiting those external generators, but obviously you would be able to do the

6318
08:51:15,420 --> 08:51:16,100
internal generator.

6319
08:51:18,880 --> 08:51:23,380
The overnight parking location site shall have frontage on or direct vehicular access to

6320
08:51:23,380 --> 08:51:28,100
an arterial and or collector roadways, so these are going to be a long major roadway,

6321
08:51:28,100 --> 08:51:29,460
is not tucked back into neighborhoods.

6322
08:51:31,140 --> 08:51:33,400
Occupancy of the MTOS at the overnight location

6323
08:51:33,400 --> 08:51:38,040
shall be limited to the hours of 7pm to 7am.

6324
08:51:39,160 --> 08:51:41,580
Parking of the unoccupied MTOS, once again,

6325
08:51:41,720 --> 08:51:42,540
making that distinction.

6326
08:51:43,060 --> 08:51:45,380
During the hours of 7am to 7pm

6327
08:51:45,380 --> 08:51:49,120
is permitted where the parking of dual rear wheel vehicles

6328
08:51:49,120 --> 08:51:50,460
is permitted as an awful.

6329
08:51:51,860 --> 08:51:53,940
Must be parked on an improved surface,

6330
08:51:54,040 --> 08:51:55,440
so it paved surface or something else

6331
08:51:55,440 --> 08:51:56,240
that can handle the weight.

6332
08:51:57,380 --> 08:52:04,820
There would be a distant separation of 1,000 feet to the nearest residential use measured from property line to property line.

6333
08:52:06,120 --> 08:52:14,620
And the MTOS and overnight location sites shall comply with all applicable fire, life safety, health, sanitation, and vehicle, operability requirements.

6334
08:52:18,050 --> 08:52:25,770
So there have been some ordinance amendments too. This is mostly related to codification and how this ordinance is going to find its way into Orange Code.

6335
08:52:25,770 --> 08:52:33,710
So it modifies that there is a modification to the codification provision section 5 to more clearly

6336
08:52:33,710 --> 08:52:38,050
describe how the NTOS amendments will be incorporated into Orange County Code.

6337
08:52:38,550 --> 08:52:43,250
If in when vision 2050 in Orange Code and the related implementing ordinances become effective,

6338
08:52:44,310 --> 08:52:48,630
the modification does not change the substantive NTOS standards have approved by the board.

6339
08:52:49,130 --> 08:52:53,350
It just clarifies me that codes instructions for placing the NTOS definition per minute

6340
08:52:53,350 --> 08:52:57,970
use provisions and operating conditions in the appropriate locations within the restructured

6341
08:52:57,970 --> 08:52:58,450
code.

6342
08:53:00,920 --> 08:53:04,720
So here are those revisions. I won't read them all out to you, but what's being done

6343
08:53:04,720 --> 08:53:06,320
here is essentially what I just summarized.

6344
08:53:09,920 --> 08:53:12,600
There's also the fee resolution, so there's a resolution

6345
08:53:12,600 --> 08:53:19,140
to establish a permit fee into amend the fee directory with a proposed fee of 93 dollars.

6346
08:53:21,990 --> 08:53:22,450
And onto

6347
08:53:22,450 --> 08:53:28,170
the requested action request that you make a finding of consistency with the comprehensive plan

6348
08:53:28,170 --> 08:53:32,490
To approve and adopt an ordinance pertaining to land use in Orange County, Florida,

6349
08:53:32,790 --> 08:53:35,890
amending Chapter 38 zoning of the Orange County Code,

6350
08:53:35,970 --> 08:53:40,210
amending Section 381 to create a definition for mobile temporary overnight shelter

6351
08:53:40,210 --> 08:53:44,930
and TLS, amending the zoning district use table to establish mobile temporary overnight

6352
08:53:44,930 --> 08:53:50,170
shelters as a permitted use in the zoning code, creating subsection 38797

6353
08:53:50,990 --> 08:53:54,570
to establish operational standards for mobile temporary overnight shelters,

6354
08:53:54,570 --> 08:54:00,110
providing for severability, providing for codification, and providing for an effective date,

6355
08:54:00,350 --> 08:54:05,570
as modified in all districts, as modified referencing the changes that I illustrated earlier.

6356
08:54:08,030 --> 08:54:12,830
And to allow staff to correct any non-substantial grammatical or scripted errors and amend

6357
08:54:12,830 --> 08:54:15,790
the ordinance to include the ordinance number in effective date.

6358
08:54:17,450 --> 08:54:21,770
There's also a requested action for the resolution to approve the proposed resolution,

6359
08:54:22,390 --> 08:54:35,070
Approved a fee of $93 for the review and processing of the MQS permit and to allow staff to correct any non-substantial grammatical or scripted errors and amend the resolution to include the resolution number and effective date.

6360
08:54:35,070 --> 08:54:36,610
That concludes my presentation.

6361
08:54:36,850 --> 08:54:37,970
I'm available for any questions.

6362
08:54:39,150 --> 08:54:39,950
All right, thank you, sir.

6363
08:54:40,670 --> 08:54:42,730
Do we have members of the public present?

6364
08:54:42,870 --> 08:54:44,050
We should be heard on the side of.

6365
08:54:44,090 --> 08:54:45,750
We have no speakers for the side of the mayor.

6366
08:54:46,250 --> 08:54:47,930
All right, then we'll close the public hearing.

6367
08:54:48,770 --> 08:54:50,270
Commissioner Wilson, you have a motion.

6368
08:54:50,270 --> 08:54:51,130
Thank

6369
08:54:57,020 --> 08:54:59,880
you. I need more than one motion. I can I.

6370
08:55:05,360 --> 08:55:27,300
All right, we have a motion by Commissioner Wilson, second by Commissioner Uribe, all in favour of that to be known by saying aye, aye, opposed no, motion passes, and it is, you know, thank you. All right, thank you all very much. All right, we're going to back up now. And Mr.

6371
08:55:31,900 --> 08:55:34,400
Renzo Nostasi, you're sure.

6372
08:55:34,420 --> 08:55:37,400
We're going to own deck, mayor, commissioners.

6373
08:55:38,600 --> 08:55:44,480
This evening's discussion item has to do with a unsolicited proposal that we received

6374
08:55:45,280 --> 08:55:50,620
regarding a promenade concept at the intersection of international drive and assembly

6375
08:55:50,620 --> 08:55:51,240
road.

6376
08:55:52,140 --> 08:55:56,680
This concept was admitted to a spy, Mr. Judge Wallace, who is a proprietor of several properties

6377
08:55:56,680 --> 08:56:02,020
on the international drive, and Mr. Wallace is here as part of the audience.

6378
08:56:02,020 --> 08:56:10,840
So in regards to the presentation itself, just to go through the introduction, statutory public

6379
08:56:10,840 --> 08:56:17,160
private process requirements or procedures, the problem-odd concept itself, considerations

6380
08:56:17,160 --> 08:56:23,440
for the board, and then options or next steps, a summary, and then finally board direction.

6381
08:56:24,280 --> 08:56:38,320
In terms of the introduction, Mr. Wallich's submittal came through his Gateway 2040 LLC, as a unsolated proposal that we received an April of this year.

6382
08:56:39,100 --> 08:56:47,500
Essentially, the Promenade concept is to significantly improve the pedestrian environment on the approaches of the intersection of international drive and San Lake Road.

6383
08:56:47,500 --> 08:56:54,480
And clearly it would enhance the gateway to international drive.

6384
08:56:56,800 --> 08:57:03,140
Certainly a promenade concept would complement the I drive pedestrian bridge, which is currently

6385
08:57:03,140 --> 08:57:05,400
soon will be under design.

6386
08:57:06,500 --> 08:57:12,680
And again, it will function as a place-making enhancement to the bridge footprint.

6387
08:57:12,680 --> 08:57:18,460
a large expanding footprint quite a bit.

6388
08:57:18,980 --> 08:57:22,840
So just to give you a quick refresher on where we are

6389
08:57:22,840 --> 08:57:26,560
with the pedestrian bridge, the concept of study

6390
08:57:26,560 --> 08:57:29,960
was approved by this board back in June of 2025,

6391
08:57:30,660 --> 08:57:34,620
and we had invested approximately $700,000 for that study.

6392
08:57:35,260 --> 08:57:38,260
As I said, the design will soon will be underway.

6393
08:57:38,660 --> 08:57:41,660
We've budgeted 8.79 million dollars

6394
08:57:41,660 --> 08:57:47,760
for that project, for the design, and we anticipate the design to be completed in the summer

6395
08:57:47,760 --> 08:57:48,620
of 2028.

6396
08:57:49,800 --> 08:57:56,420
Right away acquisition, we don't anticipate acquiring any right away for the bridge itself.

6397
08:57:57,660 --> 08:58:03,900
And we are presuming that the right away will be provided to us at no cost to the county

6398
08:58:03,900 --> 08:58:05,940
from the various property owners.

6399
08:58:05,940 --> 08:58:14,900
And then finally, construction is budgeted 32.5 million dollars and the plan completion date for the bridge is in late 2030.

6400
08:58:16,180 --> 08:58:23,440
So I'd like to ask Ms. Wallace to come up and discuss the statutory process for public financial partnerships.

6401
08:58:27,970 --> 08:58:39,470
Good evening. Heather Wallace, Assistant County Attorney. Section 255.065 Florida statute provides a process by which government agencies can engage in a public private partnership.

6402
08:58:39,470 --> 08:58:46,210
In order to meet the needs of timely and cost-effective public projects by improving schedule

6403
08:58:46,210 --> 08:58:51,030
for delivery, lowering the cost and providing other benefits to the public.

6404
08:58:51,850 --> 08:58:56,590
The statute provides general guidance for the process, but allows government agencies to adopt

6405
08:58:56,590 --> 08:59:01,950
their own more detailed process, including an application fee that will help defer the cost

6406
08:59:01,950 --> 08:59:04,110
of reviewing unsolicited proposals.

6407
08:59:04,110 --> 08:59:11,430
The statutory requirements for an unsolicited proposal are listed on the screen as you can see there fairly general.

6408
08:59:12,190 --> 08:59:18,070
We do believe that this particular submittal does meet the minimum requirements of the statute.

6409
08:59:19,270 --> 08:59:30,290
Gateway 2040 LLC intends to finance the promenade with private funds, but seek reimbursement from the county to subject to a negotiated agreement.

6410
08:59:30,290 --> 08:59:39,570
So, if you all decide to move forward with this project, we will have to negotiate a contract which will involve reimbursement for the costs of the project.

6411
08:59:43,060 --> 08:59:43,860
Thank you.

6412
08:59:44,180 --> 08:59:46,380
So, onto the Promenade concept itself.

6413
08:59:47,680 --> 08:59:59,440
So, as I mentioned in a little bit earlier, it's going to require the reconstruction of existing sidewalks and very extensive landscaping features at the intersection and beyond.

6414
09:00:00,000 --> 09:00:05,880
Any required rightaway and easements are to be donated by the property owners in coordination

6415
09:00:05,880 --> 09:00:14,480
with the Gateway 2040 LLC. This renditions sort of illustrates for you the concept itself

6416
09:00:14,480 --> 09:00:25,200
and the general improvements that would occur at the intersection and both north and south of

6417
09:00:25,200 --> 09:00:26,460
international drive.

6418
09:00:27,260 --> 09:00:37,940
And regards to the, again, specific proposals, concepts that was submitted, the idea is to enhance

6419
09:00:37,940 --> 09:00:43,920
and widen sidewalks, include decorative de-walls and retaining walls, fountains,

6420
09:00:44,420 --> 09:00:50,280
irrigation, small public parks or gathering spaces, public art, gateway clock, and so forth.

6421
09:00:50,280 --> 09:00:58,140
So, again, clearly, these are not all items that the county typically would install as part of an improvement to the intersection.

6422
09:00:59,380 --> 09:01:10,360
But regardless, this is the concept that was submitted, and of course, is subject to further discussion and negotiations with Mr. Walak and the effect of property owners.

6423
09:01:12,460 --> 09:01:28,080
The submittal as currently stands today proposes that these improvements be maintained and operated by the county, but we can discuss that a little bit further down in the presentation as to what the county might recommend in regards to O&M.

6424
09:01:29,440 --> 09:01:34,640
Just to give you a sense of the extent of where those improvements are going to take place.

6425
09:01:34,640 --> 09:01:41,660
The areas that you see in blue or purple are the foundations of the location where the bridge

6426
09:01:41,660 --> 09:01:43,100
peers are going to be located.

6427
09:01:43,740 --> 09:01:50,520
As I mentioned earlier, those are going to be donated by the property owners for the installation

6428
09:01:50,520 --> 09:01:51,760
of the pedestrian bridge.

6429
09:01:52,320 --> 09:02:03,160
The rest of the highlighted area that you see along in our national drive to the north and then

6430
09:02:03,160 --> 09:02:07,920
highlighted in blue is what's proposed to be part of the

6431
09:02:07,920 --> 09:02:09,700
promenade concept.

6432
09:02:09,980 --> 09:02:14,480
So as you can see, the improvements go well beyond the footprint of the bridge.

6433
09:02:15,740 --> 09:02:24,040
Sandlight Road is a state road, so we will have to have extensive coordination with the state as well.

6434
09:02:25,260 --> 09:02:27,040
So this is the Northern segment.

6435
09:02:27,440 --> 09:02:32,440
Mr. Awellex properties on the north east property.

6436
09:02:32,440 --> 09:02:50,760
And then on the, oops, next slide, this is the southern piece, as you can see, we still have the proposal that has improvements both along San Lake Road on the south side and on international drive.

6437
09:02:54,710 --> 09:03:00,050
So in terms of cost estimates, now these are cost they were submitted to us as part of the proposal.

6438
09:03:00,050 --> 09:03:05,650
So, these have not been vetted, that's part of something that we will do in the future.

6439
09:03:05,990 --> 09:03:14,190
So, it should the Board decide to proceed with the negotiations, but this is just to give you a sense of what the potential cost might entail.

6440
09:03:15,110 --> 09:03:28,710
So, for planning and design, $700,000, construction 13.8, contingency of $4.8 million in the total project cost is approximately $19.3 million.

6441
09:03:28,710 --> 09:03:35,890
Again, these are very preliminary planning costs, and we will work with Mr. Wallek to refine

6442
09:03:35,890 --> 09:03:39,070
those costs as we go along should we proceed with the project.

6443
09:03:40,150 --> 09:03:46,170
In terms of public benefits, certainly the enhancement is going to provide some additional

6444
09:03:47,370 --> 09:03:51,730
mobility and accessibility and safety features to the public.

6445
09:03:51,730 --> 09:04:01,910
It will certainly highlight the I drive experience and certainly would anticipate that property values would be increased.

6446
09:04:02,910 --> 09:04:08,450
And then I want to emphasize that the property is to be donated to the county and no cost.

6447
09:04:08,990 --> 09:04:12,430
Now, a preliminary evaluation of that property is $8.8 million.

6448
09:04:12,730 --> 09:04:15,230
Again, that's a preliminary cost that was submitted to us.

6449
09:04:15,370 --> 09:04:20,890
But I just wanted to indicate that the donation of the right away is the key element of this project.

6450
09:04:22,260 --> 09:04:51,020
So, just to give you some information or regards to the schedule of both the promenade and the pedestrian bridge, you can see there's some significant overlap at the beginning of the process in terms of the design and somewhat of the right-away phases, but the intent is to complete the construction of the promenade well in advance of the construction for the bridge so that there isn't any conflict that could take place.

6451
09:04:51,020 --> 09:04:58,800
So, again, the Promenade Project is relatively simpler than a much more complex project

6452
09:04:58,800 --> 09:04:59,960
than the bridge that we would just make.

6453
09:05:00,000 --> 09:05:17,360
That's done before final construction of the bridge takes place. So, on to considerations. So, on the face of it today, the concept is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

6454
09:05:17,360 --> 09:05:20,500
Yeah, I drive code and the CRA plan.

6455
09:05:21,720 --> 09:05:27,340
This specific through the CRA, this proposal appears to be consistent with adaptive policy

6456
09:05:27,340 --> 09:05:31,760
and CRA plan and funding already earmarked for this part of investment.

6457
09:05:32,200 --> 09:05:37,300
And the next slide we'll get into the potential investment that might take place.

6458
09:05:38,160 --> 09:05:45,500
So within the CRA itself, there's $26.7 million that is in the budget.

6459
09:05:45,500 --> 09:05:53,140
15.5 of which is either programmed or already spent and then on the beautification in the

6460
09:05:53,140 --> 09:06:00,800
aesthetic side of the CRA there's $70 million that is in the budget and $13.3 million

6461
09:06:00,800 --> 09:06:07,460
of that is already programmed and or spent. Basically that leaves us with $14.8 million that

6462
09:06:07,460 --> 09:06:19,360
could be available to fund the Promenade and also, as you all know, there's the original cost

6463
09:06:19,360 --> 09:06:23,900
that was submitted as part of the plan. It was $14.4 million. So there's a bit of a doubt

6464
09:06:23,900 --> 09:06:32,600
to there. But as I mentioned earlier, the $14.4 million are very preliminary, high-level

6465
09:06:32,600 --> 09:06:40,020
planning costs so we certainly can go through and refine those costs further.

6466
09:06:41,000 --> 09:06:45,300
So in terms of the project in this scope, the county would recommend that should this

6467
09:06:45,300 --> 09:06:52,220
propose an advance that the final scope and cost be approved by the county in addition to

6468
09:06:52,220 --> 09:06:56,800
the approval of the design firm to make sure the contractor has the proper qualifications.

6469
09:06:56,800 --> 09:07:03,680
And then construction, coordination on oversight, not only take place between the, between Mr.

6470
09:07:03,840 --> 09:07:05,400
Wallock and the county.

6471
09:07:05,800 --> 09:07:10,880
But as I mentioned earlier, Sandlick wrote as part of the state system and will require some

6472
09:07:10,880 --> 09:07:13,220
extensive coordination with the state as well.

6473
09:07:15,360 --> 09:07:22,560
Again, assuming that this proposal would advance, the other things we want to make sure of is that future

6474
09:07:22,560 --> 09:07:29,600
And I'm befunded as appropriate by the property owners, or the or some other entity, as I had mentioned earlier,

6475
09:07:29,880 --> 09:07:35,400
as the proposal stands today, the assumption was that the county would take on the cost of the O&M.

6476
09:07:35,640 --> 09:07:37,940
That is not something that staff is recommending.

6477
09:07:38,680 --> 09:07:48,420
We would recommend that this could take the in the form, the O&M take place in the form of a separate maintenance agreement through a special assessment M&S BU or TU.

6478
09:07:49,240 --> 09:07:55,280
And again, these are negotiation points that can take place, should we move forward.

6479
09:07:56,720 --> 09:08:04,400
In terms of the right away and or easements in the production schedule, as mentioned earlier,

6480
09:08:04,900 --> 09:08:09,480
the pedestrian bridge is fully funded today, it is on schedule.

6481
09:08:10,120 --> 09:08:14,940
And we want to make sure that the right away issues are separate from the promenade.

6482
09:08:14,940 --> 09:08:20,800
So, the issues directly associated with the bridge have to

6483
09:08:20,800 --> 09:08:23,660
pertain to that project and deal with the problem

6484
09:08:23,660 --> 09:08:28,460
on as a potential two-step process.

6485
09:08:29,440 --> 09:08:32,000
So again, right away for the bridge, it remains separate

6486
09:08:32,000 --> 09:08:36,160
from the problem on and all right away commitments should be obtained

6487
09:08:36,160 --> 09:08:38,800
before extensive design efforts have been expended.

6488
09:08:41,660 --> 09:08:45,900
As I mentioned earlier, the DOT will be part

6489
09:08:45,900 --> 09:08:53,420
of our coordination process, and I'm sure as everybody is aware, aside from the Sandlake Road

6490
09:08:54,620 --> 09:08:59,220
ownership of the state, there's a huge interchange project that is currently underway

6491
09:08:59,220 --> 09:09:04,300
at the intersection of BIFOR and I drive, or Sandlake.

6492
09:09:05,640 --> 09:09:12,860
And we have several conversations and meeting with the state, and they have submitted a set

6493
09:09:12,860 --> 09:09:15,660
of issues that they want to coordinate with, which are listed there.

6494
09:09:15,660 --> 09:09:20,300
So, for instance, the maintenance of traffic would have to be approved by the Florida Department

6495
09:09:20,300 --> 09:09:23,460
Transportation prior to the execution of any agreements.

6496
09:09:25,080 --> 09:09:28,500
I want to make sure that the promenade does not interfere interfere with the pedestrian bridge.

6497
09:09:28,740 --> 09:09:32,280
Again, we've extensively coordinated the pedestrian bridge with the state.

6498
09:09:32,440 --> 09:09:39,320
So, again, I want to make sure that there's two issues or somewhat separate maintenance of the sidewalk and landscaping

6499
09:09:39,320 --> 09:09:46,660
agreement for anything that affects Sand Lake Road, address any operational changes that

6500
09:09:46,660 --> 09:09:53,880
would happen on Sand Lake Road that would require FDOT approvals, and then schedule coordination

6501
09:09:53,880 --> 09:09:59,840
of projects, and then, as I mentioned earlier, the proximity of the interchange.

6502
09:10:00,110 --> 09:10:11,090
Is an issue for the State and for FHWA. So we will need to coordinate all those issues with the State and potentially with FHWA as well.

6503
09:10:12,330 --> 09:10:20,510
So continuing on the considerations. Public involvement is part of what submitted. It was submitted to us as part of the proposal.

6504
09:10:22,290 --> 09:10:25,970
And should this again, should this proposal proceed?

6505
09:10:26,410 --> 09:10:32,370
Staff will continue and consult with the I drive CRA advisory committee before any decision

6506
09:10:32,370 --> 09:10:33,230
is made.

6507
09:10:33,610 --> 09:10:40,130
As you can see, there are many entities that pertain to the advisory board, the I drive

6508
09:10:40,130 --> 09:10:44,550
business improvement district, the I drive chamber of commerce, the efficient transportation

6509
09:10:44,550 --> 09:10:50,450
for the community of Central Florida, universal bullroad property owners, tangible park,

6510
09:10:50,450 --> 09:10:54,690
The mayor is appointed member, a membership, a mission review board appointed member.

6511
09:10:55,570 --> 09:11:01,230
So again, it will be extremely important to have the coordination and the

6512
09:11:01,230 --> 09:11:09,270
conversations with the CRA advisory committee, even before any final agreement is

6513
09:11:09,270 --> 09:11:13,090
reached the board direct staff to proceed with negotiations.

6514
09:11:13,790 --> 09:11:19,710
So beyond the CRA discussions, we want to make sure that we reach out to the entire

6515
09:11:19,710 --> 09:11:28,450
community in the I drive area, and the goals are defined and identified for the partners

6516
09:11:28,450 --> 09:11:35,010
and property owners and any interested parties, and that coordination just needs to take

6517
09:11:35,010 --> 09:11:39,150
place from all the way from the conceptual planning stages, all the way through construction.

6518
09:11:39,770 --> 09:11:44,710
So this is a long-term commitment that needs to be made to the community to make sure that

6519
09:11:44,710 --> 09:11:49,750
everybody's informed and is aware and hopefully supportive of the project.

6520
09:11:51,130 --> 09:11:57,870
So in terms of options and next steps, I will ask Ms. Wallace to come back up and discuss

6521
09:11:57,870 --> 09:11:59,130
those items.

6522
09:12:02,440 --> 09:12:06,980
Okay, as I said earlier, the statute does allow local governments to have their own process

6523
09:12:06,980 --> 09:12:08,180
for P3 proposals.

6524
09:12:08,600 --> 09:12:11,060
We do not have one here in Orange County at this time.

6525
09:12:11,420 --> 09:12:15,740
We have drafted one and it's currently under review and will be coming to the board in the

6526
09:12:15,740 --> 09:12:20,700
couple of months. So, because we don't have our own process, we are following the statutory

6527
09:12:20,700 --> 09:12:25,980
process. And again, we believe this proposal does meet the minimum statutory requirements.

6528
09:12:26,060 --> 09:12:33,080
However, we feel additional details are necessary for us to proceed. We are going to discuss

6529
09:12:33,080 --> 09:12:39,520
three options for the board. Option one would be to take no action. If you all decide that

6530
09:12:39,520 --> 09:12:43,980
this is not something you're interested in moving forward with, we would provide Britain notice

6531
09:12:43,980 --> 09:12:48,240
to the proposal that the county just does not wish to proceed at this point.

6532
09:12:49,380 --> 09:12:53,920
Option two would be to advertise for additional proposals for the proposed work.

6533
09:12:54,320 --> 09:12:58,040
This would not be our traditional competitive solicitation that we normally do in the

6534
09:12:58,040 --> 09:12:58,360
county.

6535
09:12:58,580 --> 09:13:03,980
It would be a very abbreviated process where we would open it up to others who might want

6536
09:13:03,980 --> 09:13:04,900
to make a proposal.

6537
09:13:05,480 --> 09:13:10,200
However, that package must include a design criteria package, so it would take some time

6538
09:13:10,200 --> 09:13:17,580
to create that design criteria package, or option 3 would be to proceed with this unsolicited

6539
09:13:17,580 --> 09:13:24,740
proposal, including the donation of the right away. If you choose to select this option,

6540
09:13:24,900 --> 09:13:30,820
we would need to come back to the board at another date. At that time, the board would be required

6541
09:13:30,820 --> 09:13:36,360
to make certain findings under the statute, which are listed on the screen. They include benefits

6542
09:13:36,360 --> 09:13:52,960
So the public, you have to approve the financial structure of the proposal, the qualifications and experience of the private entity, the project's compatibility with regional infrastructure plans and also we would have to address any public comments made at a meeting.

6543
09:13:53,940 --> 09:14:01,700
That would probably come in forward in the form of a resolution that we would present to you at that second meeting should you decide to move forward.

6544
09:14:02,380 --> 09:14:07,380
Law staff would normally recommend option 2, which would be to open it up for additional

6545
09:14:07,380 --> 09:14:08,000
proposals.

6546
09:14:08,760 --> 09:14:14,820
With this particular proposal, we are not recommending that because the LLC involved has

6547
09:14:14,820 --> 09:14:20,020
indicated that they will not provide a donation of the property needed for the project if

6548
09:14:20,020 --> 09:14:24,460
they are not selected to construct the project and if we don't move forward with this public

6549
09:14:24,460 --> 09:14:25,460
private partnership.

6550
09:14:26,800 --> 09:14:32,800
So, again, you have three options at this point. Option one would be not to move forward.

6551
09:14:32,820 --> 09:14:39,220
If you do that, we will provide written notice to the Mr. Wallock that we are not prepared

6552
09:14:39,220 --> 09:14:46,540
to proceed at this time. If you select Option two, we would return to the BCC with a recommendation

6553
09:14:46,540 --> 09:14:52,920
after evaluating any other proposals that are submitted. Again, we are not recommending

6554
09:14:52,920 --> 09:14:59,980
misoption in this particular project. If you select option 3, we will proceed with creating the...

6555
09:15:00,000 --> 09:15:05,020
Report, that's required by the statute and the form of the resolution. We would engage the

6556
09:15:05,020 --> 09:15:11,460
adjoining property owners and we would return to the board for findings and then we would publish

6557
09:15:11,460 --> 09:15:19,320
the report in accordance with the statute. If approved, under, excuse me, either option 2 or option

6558
09:15:19,320 --> 09:15:25,160
3, we will engage an engineer and begin negotiating a comprehensive agreement, which will also

6559
09:15:25,160 --> 09:15:31,460
back to the board for final approval. So basically, you would see this at least two more times

6560
09:15:31,460 --> 09:15:38,940
after tonight if we were to move forward with this project. As part of the statutory requirements

6561
09:15:38,940 --> 09:15:44,000
for a comprehensive agreement, we must, the board must determine that the proposed project

6562
09:15:44,000 --> 09:15:49,400
has been determined to be in the public's best interest, that the proposed project is one that

6563
09:15:49,400 --> 09:15:52,200
will be conveyed to Orange County.

6564
09:15:52,720 --> 09:15:55,860
We have received that representation from Mr. Wallick.

6565
09:15:56,900 --> 09:15:59,980
That it has adequate safeguards to ensure that any additional

6566
09:15:59,980 --> 09:16:02,420
cost or service disruptions would not be imposed

6567
09:16:02,420 --> 09:16:06,320
on the public in the events of a cancellation of the agreement

6568
09:16:06,320 --> 09:16:07,700
that we ultimately negotiate.

6569
09:16:08,460 --> 09:16:10,680
And then it has adequate safeguards in place

6570
09:16:10,680 --> 09:16:13,080
to ensure that the public or private entity

6571
09:16:13,080 --> 09:16:16,860
has the opportunity to expand capacity to the project.

6572
09:16:17,820 --> 09:16:26,140
Again, if direction is provided to advance the proposal and continue negotiations on the proposal and eventually a comprehensive agreement,

6573
09:16:26,880 --> 09:16:33,960
in addition to the safeguards that I just mentioned, staff would recommend addressing the following and any agreement that would result.

6574
09:16:34,960 --> 09:16:40,180
Renzo mentioned these earlier, county approval of the design, maximum amount that the county

6575
09:16:40,180 --> 09:16:45,900
would contribute, and also cost reasonableness, county approval of the design from the

6576
09:16:45,900 --> 09:16:51,820
contractors and construction oversight, agreements for a maintenance of the landscaping

6577
09:16:51,820 --> 09:16:56,980
and other improvements by private entities as opposed to the county, early commitments for

6578
09:16:56,980 --> 09:17:01,580
right of way from the property owners separate from the right of way for the pedestrian bridge,

6579
09:17:01,580 --> 09:17:09,380
and also a commitment to meet FDOT and FHWA requirements and enter into any necessary agreements.

6580
09:17:11,460 --> 09:17:12,820
So I will turn it back to Renzo.

6581
09:17:15,960 --> 09:17:17,240
Thank you.

6582
09:17:17,260 --> 09:17:24,140
I know this is a little repetitive, but just want to make sure that we outline everything that was discussed.

6583
09:17:24,860 --> 09:17:32,900
So just in summary, Gateway 2040 LLC submitted on solicitor proposal and April of this year.

6584
09:17:32,900 --> 09:17:39,020
The promenade includes enhancements to the areas surrounding the international drive pedestrian bridge.

6585
09:17:39,060 --> 09:17:42,060
It is a key gateway to the international drive district.

6586
09:17:42,600 --> 09:17:46,160
The proposal meets the statutory P3 requirements.

6587
09:17:47,200 --> 09:17:53,080
The promenade is proposed to be privately funded initially with a provision for reimbursement

6588
09:17:53,080 --> 09:17:58,240
and the estimate cost of the improvement is $19.4 million.

6589
09:17:58,240 --> 09:18:06,060
While rights away are to be donated most costs and maintenance obligation could fall to the county and taxpayers be of the CRA.

6590
09:18:07,460 --> 09:18:11,380
If the proposal is advanced, key issues require clear board direction.

6591
09:18:12,600 --> 09:18:19,820
So, at this point, I would ask Mr. Wall to come up for a second and I believe we have a very short video.

6592
09:18:22,980 --> 09:18:25,320
Good evening, Mayor Deming's Board.

6593
09:18:25,400 --> 09:18:29,340
Members of the Board County Commissioner's Joshua Wallach, 8126 International Drive.

6594
09:18:29,340 --> 09:18:44,420
I know it's been a long day, but this is a very wonderful moment here for us, and I just wanted to thank staff for this tremendous work that they've done on this project.

6595
09:18:45,220 --> 09:18:47,540
We started out with an unsolicited proposal.

6596
09:18:48,580 --> 09:18:54,280
I've owned property at this intersection since 2012, and I'm sure we all know.

6597
09:18:54,280 --> 09:19:02,480
have heard all the statistics about all the car crashes and all the pedestrians and bicycles and we've

6598
09:19:02,480 --> 09:19:07,660
all been down there and we've all seen it. I believe I have a tremendous institutional

6599
09:19:07,660 --> 09:19:15,640
knowledge of this area both in construction and mobility and our property and the county's bridge

6600
09:19:15,640 --> 09:19:23,480
together, created a much larger, amazing vision, which we were calling gateway 2040.

6601
09:19:24,100 --> 09:19:30,300
The county's bridge is an iconic work of art, and met with Mayor Demings last summer,

6602
09:19:30,320 --> 09:19:35,580
just talked to him about the bridge, and everything regarding the bridge, and with Rosanne,

6603
09:19:36,840 --> 09:19:41,740
and we just sort of fluttered through this idea of, I had already drawn one promenade

6604
09:19:41,740 --> 09:19:45,740
you know, in a drawing and there it was mentioned, you know, why don't we just do this

6605
09:19:45,740 --> 09:19:47,440
on all four sides and divide and conquer?

6606
09:19:48,220 --> 09:19:55,600
And I just took that and ran with it and between the idea and submitting the unsolicited

6607
09:19:55,600 --> 09:19:59,800
proposal took fifty-seven days, I worked.

6608
09:20:01,310 --> 09:20:16,290
24 hours a day, basically, with my team, and was able to submit the unsolicited proposal. And that's how it just flowed through me as far as the need for this, because this is a community.

6609
09:20:16,770 --> 09:20:25,070
You know, this is not just the tourist district. We've had so many people move here in the last five years, even though it slowed down a little bit because of the economy. This is a community.

6610
09:20:25,070 --> 09:20:27,810
And this is part of Dr. Phillips, as far as I'm concerned.

6611
09:20:29,070 --> 09:20:34,630
This is where I like to take my kids, just walk around and get lunch and, you know, and

6612
09:20:34,630 --> 09:20:40,690
right now, obviously it's two highways that meet each other, but we're putting in a beautiful

6613
09:20:40,690 --> 09:20:49,110
bridge, but what this partnership does between Gateway and Orange County is that it just expands

6614
09:20:49,110 --> 09:20:55,310
the vision geometrically in many different ways, and it takes the I drive 2040 vision, which

6615
09:20:55,310 --> 09:21:00,890
has been lost since 2017, and it really starts to turn it into reality. So when people

6616
09:21:00,890 --> 09:21:05,630
come off of I-4 through that beautiful new intersection that we're building, a beautiful new

6617
09:21:05,630 --> 09:21:10,030
interchange rather, and they come on through the divergent diamond. The first thing that they're

6618
09:21:10,030 --> 09:21:15,790
going to see is the promenade. They're going to come under I-4 and they're going to see that

6619
09:21:15,790 --> 09:21:22,650
somewhere else. I don't know if this will play. Miles will play. But the reason that I don't

6620
09:21:22,650 --> 09:21:27,690
have a static rendering and then I have something like this is so that people can live inside

6621
09:21:27,690 --> 09:21:33,810
this vision. People can see what it will be like when you're standing on the promenade, eating

6622
09:21:33,810 --> 09:21:40,270
at a cafe, just walking past people that are having lunch and there's the pedestrian bridge and

6623
09:21:40,270 --> 09:21:41,190
But where are the cars?

6624
09:21:41,270 --> 09:21:46,490
They're on the other side of those royal poms which have beautiful lighting on them.

6625
09:21:47,290 --> 09:21:52,170
And it really, really looks like an amazing place to be.

6626
09:21:53,570 --> 09:21:56,630
There's another JPEG.

6627
09:21:56,830 --> 09:22:03,490
So this is something that you guys haven't seen yet, is just something that, again, the

6628
09:22:03,490 --> 09:22:09,610
beautiful drone bridge, the beautiful promenade, you have still have zillions of cars coming

6629
09:22:09,610 --> 09:22:14,910
going, but no more people in the street. They're all on the promenade. They're next to the

6630
09:22:14,910 --> 09:22:20,850
shops, restaurants, and cafes. They're nowhere near the cars any longer. And so now you have

6631
09:22:20,850 --> 09:22:24,250
more mobility with the cars, double timing, through the lights, because they're not waiting for

6632
09:22:24,250 --> 09:22:29,470
pedestrians. That's great any longer. The pedestrians are walking next to shops. And so the sales

6633
09:22:29,470 --> 09:22:35,350
and shifts and jobs are going up. People can upgrade their tenants. People on I drive right now

6634
09:22:35,350 --> 09:22:39,470
are walking on a sidewalk right on the street. And then there's 20 feet of nothing. And then

6635
09:22:39,470 --> 09:22:44,030
windows. So people are walking, they don't even see what's in the shops right now. We're going to

6636
09:22:44,030 --> 09:22:49,910
completely change that over because why? Because that's what tourists and conventioneers and these

6637
09:22:49,910 --> 09:22:54,950
great cities that we compete with and certain areas within our city like Disney Springs and

6638
09:22:54,950 --> 09:22:59,890
City Walk and other places like what will become hopefully church street as a pedestrian

6639
09:22:59,890 --> 09:23:07,530
promenade. This is what people expect. They want to be safe. They want to not be near cars. They want to

6640
09:23:07,530 --> 09:23:12,350
have no danger with their children, and they just want to shop and eat and relax and not have

6641
09:23:12,350 --> 09:23:14,790
to deal with crossing highway.

6642
09:23:16,130 --> 09:23:19,550
So the bridge is an amazing enhancement to the area.

6643
09:23:19,770 --> 09:23:20,510
It's going to be iconic.

6644
09:23:20,790 --> 09:23:26,590
It's going to be between you and me, next to Cinderella's Castle in Spaceship Earth, it's

6645
09:23:26,590 --> 09:23:27,090
this building.

6646
09:23:27,650 --> 09:23:30,110
I mean, that's going to be the icon of this town.

6647
09:23:30,110 --> 09:23:38,290
But the promenade makes the bridge work in a much more profound way, both in foreman and

6648
09:23:38,290 --> 09:23:38,390
function.

6649
09:23:38,890 --> 09:23:44,910
And the entire gateway, all of the businesses, all of the development, it needs infrastructure

6650
09:23:44,910 --> 09:23:49,410
to grow along with it, because right now our roads and our sidewalks are stuck in the

6651
09:23:50,070 --> 09:23:55,410
1970s, and we need to kind of quantum leap them into the future here.

6652
09:23:55,410 --> 09:24:02,750
And that's done with a master plan project, like a gateway 2040 vision, which is a, will

6653
09:24:02,750 --> 09:24:07,710
be sort of a combined layered project between the promenade and the bridge.

6654
09:24:08,030 --> 09:24:13,950
So it'll come in as a master plan, and you will have this master result.

6655
09:24:14,490 --> 09:24:19,870
And this you're looking at is the I drive 2040 vision plan, Mayor Demings has supported

6656
09:24:19,870 --> 09:24:26,610
this his entire administration and we pushed us along but we're still early within the

6657
09:24:26,610 --> 09:24:34,510
2040 we still have 14 years of till the year 2040 but this is what it should look like

6658
09:24:34,510 --> 09:24:41,290
in 2030 this is this is the year 2030 so what would be 10 years ahead on the gateway and

6659
09:24:41,290 --> 09:24:46,990
then going if you make a left turn you can see as mentioned the biggest promenade which is

6660
09:24:46,990 --> 09:24:49,430
The bottom left is in front of Perkins.

6661
09:24:49,690 --> 09:24:55,430
We're donating land in front of Perkins and 7-11 in Berkin going all the way down.

6662
09:24:56,230 --> 09:24:59,250
We'd like to do something for a North High Drive Gateway, Rosen.

6663
09:25:00,000 --> 09:25:04,800
Hotels and Resorts, they were here a little while ago, they wanted to come and speak also, because

6664
09:25:04,800 --> 09:25:11,140
they're so very, for the project, but they're looking to get involved with their hotel, somewhere

6665
09:25:11,140 --> 09:25:16,480
along the north side. We'd like to do some sort of cultural trail. We think that there are

6666
09:25:16,480 --> 09:25:23,120
some great people like Harris Rosen, the late Harris Rosen and his son, Natham, as well as Ron Dowdy

6667
09:25:23,120 --> 09:25:28,820
and Donald Hubert and other people like that that deserve their place in history on international

6668
09:25:28,820 --> 09:25:33,140
drive. There's some great, great names that have done a lot for the drive. Maybe we can find

6669
09:25:33,140 --> 09:25:39,260
some little area for them to take some, do some sort of a cultural trail. We have some

6670
09:25:39,260 --> 09:25:44,180
very cool street art. But all this stuff is just conceptual. Obviously, we'll come back to

6671
09:25:44,180 --> 09:25:49,580
this staff and we'll go through these finishes. We'll choose the finishes that you are wanted.

6672
09:25:49,840 --> 09:25:57,460
And I've talked to the I drive district, which I've been on the board of directors of for nine

6673
09:25:57,460 --> 09:26:03,520
years now, and we do a lot of landscape maintenance on international drive, so we realize that

6674
09:26:03,520 --> 09:26:07,580
the county is not going to be able to take care of, you know, whatever tree package, again,

6675
09:26:07,700 --> 09:26:13,480
and this one we have beautiful royal palms, but we don't know that that will be what we ultimately

6676
09:26:13,480 --> 09:26:19,340
choose, but we believe we can find suitable maintenance for all this that won't fall on the county.

6677
09:26:20,400 --> 09:26:23,480
And again, we have commitments.

6678
09:26:24,280 --> 09:26:29,480
Renzo mentioned the commitments for the bridge.

6679
09:26:30,080 --> 09:26:41,600
I was helpful to assist Luciana in contacting the owners of the other corners so that the

6680
09:26:41,600 --> 09:26:43,560
county can obtain those corners.

6681
09:26:43,780 --> 09:26:48,360
I did have to do some bird dog to find out who these people were but we got to them.

6682
09:26:48,360 --> 09:26:59,100
And I'm also pledging to obviously not only deliver the voluntary conveyances, but also we've

6683
09:26:59,100 --> 09:27:05,180
spoken to McDonald's about similar voluntary conveyances, not just the corner, but also some

6684
09:27:05,180 --> 09:27:11,400
areas of the promenade that they could donate land, and then also some other international

6685
09:27:11,400 --> 09:27:16,860
shops area right there where you see the billboard, you see that beautiful promenade coming

6686
09:27:16,860 --> 09:27:17,180
down.

6687
09:27:17,180 --> 09:27:22,640
all that land is there and it's available and she's also believes this will be an iconic thing

6688
09:27:22,640 --> 09:27:26,180
and I told her I said you don't even have to redevelop your building, you just put that

6689
09:27:26,180 --> 09:27:30,520
promenade right there and all of a sudden the you know some of those shops that are there will

6690
09:27:30,520 --> 09:27:35,740
become Starbucks and the highest rent you can possibly get versus you know some of the stuff

6691
09:27:35,740 --> 09:27:43,260
that's there now so I'm extremely excited about being involved with Orange County on such a wonderful

6692
09:27:43,260 --> 09:27:45,560
long-term community project.

6693
09:27:47,040 --> 09:27:50,140
This is a steady hand that's going to get this done.

6694
09:27:50,980 --> 09:27:52,960
And it's, you know, obviously, we're highly invested

6695
09:27:52,960 --> 09:27:54,100
in this area.

6696
09:27:54,780 --> 09:27:57,000
All that we have the support of all of our neighbors

6697
09:27:57,000 --> 09:27:58,820
and all of our all the organizations.

6698
09:27:59,820 --> 09:28:03,280
And we're hoping to get your support as well.

6699
09:28:03,520 --> 09:28:06,960
Obviously, staff, thank you so much for your incredibly

6700
09:28:06,960 --> 09:28:10,760
hard and diligent work in this amazing endeavor.

6701
09:28:10,760 --> 09:28:14,520
and we hope you will look favorably on this proposal.

6702
09:28:18,600 --> 09:28:19,760
All right, thank you, Mr. All.

6703
09:28:22,120 --> 09:28:23,460
You go to the last slide, please.

6704
09:28:26,940 --> 09:28:28,900
So, just to finish off, Mayor.

6705
09:28:29,840 --> 09:28:33,960
So, staff is seeking more direction on options for the unsolicited proposal.

6706
09:28:34,560 --> 09:28:37,280
Again, the repeat option one, no action.

6707
09:28:37,860 --> 09:28:40,740
Option two, the county solicitation of additional proposals.

6708
09:28:41,620 --> 09:28:45,240
Option three, procedure and negotiations for the unsolicited proposal.

6709
09:28:45,240 --> 09:28:52,060
staff would recommend that approach given that essentially there would be no project without

6710
09:28:52,060 --> 09:28:55,080
the right way being donated to the county.

6711
09:28:55,920 --> 09:29:01,360
If option three is selected, staff will coordinate with the address stakeholders prior to

6712
09:29:01,360 --> 09:29:05,900
returning to the board and prior to the final consideration of the comprehensive agreement.

6713
09:29:06,580 --> 09:29:10,460
Staff additionally seeks authority to negotiate the following terms and conditions to

6714
09:29:10,460 --> 09:29:15,620
including a future comprehensive agreement before a final decision is made.

6715
09:29:15,920 --> 09:29:20,480
County approval of design, maximum county contribution, and cost reasonable of this.

6716
09:29:21,040 --> 09:29:25,440
County approval of design firm contracts and construction oversight.

6717
09:29:26,280 --> 09:29:30,500
Agreements for maintenance of the landscaping and other improvements by private entities.

6718
09:29:31,260 --> 09:29:34,900
Early commitments for a right away from property owners, separate from the right away

6719
09:29:34,900 --> 09:29:41,960
for the pedestrian bridge and finally commitment to me, FDOT and FHWA requirements and answer

6720
09:29:41,960 --> 09:29:47,960
into any necessary agreements with the state and or federal government. With that,

6721
09:29:48,480 --> 09:29:54,100
Mayor and Commissioner, that concludes our presentation on our here for any questions you may have.

6722
09:29:56,330 --> 09:29:59,970
All right.

6723
09:30:00,000 --> 09:30:08,780
Mr. Wallik, thank you for your foresight and your vision. I can tell you that overall the international drive

6724
09:30:08,780 --> 09:30:17,520
corridor has come a long way. We have been very successful over time. We learned over time some

6725
09:30:17,520 --> 09:30:24,620
of the mistakes made and want to say in the development phases of the northern portion of our

6726
09:30:24,620 --> 09:30:32,240
driving. The Southern portion is much more aesthetically pleasing than the way it started

6727
09:30:32,240 --> 09:30:42,380
out many years ago as a young police officer, 45 plus years ago. We had to deal with

6728
09:30:42,380 --> 09:30:47,520
all kinds of traffic congestion and teenagers and young adults will come out and they

6729
09:30:47,520 --> 09:30:53,120
would just take over the roadway and we would have to shut down the roadway they would

6730
09:30:53,120 --> 09:31:00,900
ride and just create all kinds of challenges for the business community that made it

6731
09:31:00,900 --> 09:31:10,020
unfriendly. Perhaps Commissioner Wilson was in the group, but you know, no, but I see

6732
09:31:10,020 --> 09:31:18,280
it was a hang out smile. So I wrote motorcycles and horses out in that area and so

6733
09:31:19,100 --> 09:31:27,520
Because of growth in our own success, international drive has become a destination onto

6734
09:31:27,520 --> 09:31:28,160
itself.

6735
09:31:29,020 --> 09:31:34,480
People used to come here to the area to visit our theme parks and they would sometimes

6736
09:31:34,480 --> 09:31:40,200
stay off site and stay on the international drive and go to wet and wild and some of

6737
09:31:40,200 --> 09:31:40,940
the other attractions.

6738
09:31:41,280 --> 09:31:47,580
But now, because we have a wonderful convention center that brings in a lot of people.

6739
09:31:47,580 --> 09:31:55,400
we have world-class hotels, we have icon park and a lot of other things that makes it a

6740
09:31:55,400 --> 09:32:02,460
destination unto itself. But bringing in all the vehicular traffic as well as the pedestrian

6741
09:32:02,460 --> 09:32:08,180
traffic, this particular intersection of international driving and saying like, Roe, it has

6742
09:32:08,180 --> 09:32:17,220
made it inherently unsafe because of so many pedestrians that have to cross at gray and there have

6743
09:32:17,220 --> 09:32:26,380
in a number of tragic accidents, their motor vehicle versus pedestrian, etc. in an area.

6744
09:32:27,280 --> 09:32:36,180
And so I don't believe that option one of taking no action is in a best interest of the

6745
09:32:36,180 --> 09:32:43,140
public, from a safety perspective and even from a business perspective, I think we'd be

6746
09:32:43,140 --> 09:32:50,000
sure cited to do nothing there because of what we are experiencing. I don't believe that

6747
09:32:51,100 --> 09:32:59,780
the visitation in the area is going to decline as unlikely in any time soon. So we have to

6748
09:32:59,780 --> 09:33:09,380
look to the future. And in order to, I believe I have the right balance of calls. We do have to

6749
09:33:09,380 --> 09:33:14,980
invest more in public private types of partnerships, and that's what this really

6750
09:33:15,780 --> 09:33:22,200
accentuates. However, that needs to be certainly the right balance of the investments

6751
09:33:22,200 --> 09:33:28,460
between the private partners and the public partners, because at the end of the day we use

6752
09:33:28,460 --> 09:33:36,500
the public taxpayer dollars to make our investments. And so this is an unsolicited proposal

6753
09:33:36,500 --> 09:33:44,360
One that I have do a promise of Walaq and his team for bringing forward here to the county.

6754
09:33:45,300 --> 09:33:49,000
They need us and we need them.

6755
09:33:49,460 --> 09:34:05,440
And so to me, option three is perhaps the right option at this time to involve our staff and having further conversations with the existing

6756
09:34:05,440 --> 09:34:12,920
I drive stakeholders because we need here from them, you know, to, we have the initial investment

6757
09:34:13,440 --> 09:34:22,360
of building this intersection, this elevated intersection, but also across, well, because you

6758
09:34:22,360 --> 09:34:33,480
say, but we also have, I think, the responsibility to make sure that the businesses who are

6759
09:34:33,480 --> 09:34:41,520
operating in the area, they're going to benefit from their bottom line, I think, will go up.

6760
09:34:42,240 --> 09:34:48,920
And when we talk about operations and maintenance calls associated with this going into

6761
09:34:48,920 --> 09:34:55,800
the future, that needs to be a conversation about how we pay for that, certainly the

6762
09:34:55,800 --> 09:34:59,880
will be engaged, but I want to hear more about.

6763
09:35:00,140 --> 09:35:10,520
The potential for some sharing in the calls to maintain this area, the aesthetics of the area.

6764
09:35:11,300 --> 09:35:20,240
And I believe that some type of MSVU or other funding mechanism is going to become appropriate.

6765
09:35:20,900 --> 09:35:27,160
So we need to have those conversations with the potential stake holders and hear directly from them.

6766
09:35:27,160 --> 09:35:43,080
Not through Mr. Wallek, not through anyone else, but directly through them where we discuss publicly what the vision the true vision is for this project going forward.

6767
09:35:44,160 --> 09:35:50,420
And to me, option three, allow staff to continue moving forward.

6768
09:35:50,420 --> 09:36:01,600
I think there's some synergy with some of the construction with the Florida Department of Transportation that is already underway in the area, you know, just west of there.

6769
09:36:01,940 --> 09:36:12,900
You know, we have the new interchange with the industry for and the San Lake Row area that is providing some relief there.

6770
09:36:12,900 --> 09:36:18,020
but we then need to carry it forward into this international

6771
09:36:18,020 --> 09:36:22,660
drive and saying they grow a corridor as well.

6772
09:36:23,380 --> 09:36:29,140
So I come park, continuing to grow, today we even talked about.

6773
09:36:29,400 --> 09:36:34,640
I come park in some of the new businesses and expansion going on there that's going to

6774
09:36:34,640 --> 09:36:36,940
bring additional people there.

6775
09:36:37,020 --> 09:36:41,500
And if people don't feel safe, they won't want to come to the area.

6776
09:36:41,500 --> 09:36:45,140
So to me, safety is a paramount issue.

6777
09:36:46,060 --> 09:36:49,820
I'm going to open it up for questions by members of the board,

6778
09:36:51,200 --> 09:36:53,840
and we're going to start with Commissioner Scott

6779
09:36:53,840 --> 09:36:57,080
and Commissioner Wilson, Commissioner Yereve,

6780
09:36:58,800 --> 09:37:01,780
Commissioner Crab, Commissioner Gomez, Cadero,

6781
09:37:02,040 --> 09:37:04,860
and then Commissioner Martinez, Sam Red.

6782
09:37:05,800 --> 09:37:10,400
So everyone has some questions or some comments that they like to offer.

6783
09:37:10,400 --> 09:37:13,420
So we'll start with Commissioner Scott.

6784
09:37:14,320 --> 09:37:14,980
Thank you, Mayor.

6785
09:37:15,400 --> 09:37:16,700
Thank you, Josh, and Company.

6786
09:37:16,960 --> 09:37:17,820
I appreciate you all.

6787
09:37:17,820 --> 09:37:18,520
Don't in the work.

6788
09:37:19,100 --> 09:37:19,460
Rinse out.

6789
09:37:19,580 --> 09:37:23,000
Well, I don't know if this is your county attorney from the process standpoint.

6790
09:37:23,600 --> 09:37:28,240
You want direction, so will that direction be in the form of consensus or we need to make

6791
09:37:28,240 --> 09:37:28,660
a motion?

6792
09:37:29,300 --> 09:37:29,860
No, sorry.

6793
09:37:30,060 --> 09:37:32,320
We're not looking for a formal motion.

6794
09:37:32,540 --> 09:37:33,280
We're looking for it.

6795
09:37:33,400 --> 09:37:39,120
It's just the authority for staff to continue negotiations and discussions with Mr. Wallick and

6796
09:37:39,120 --> 09:37:44,180
rest of the property owners, so not necessary to have a formal motion, but just give us authority

6797
09:37:44,180 --> 09:37:44,940
to do so.

6798
09:37:45,620 --> 09:37:46,800
Okay, you got two out of seven.

6799
09:37:47,040 --> 09:37:48,980
I'm sure rest of my colleagues are on board as well.

6800
09:37:49,080 --> 09:37:50,140
But option three, let's go.

6801
09:37:50,580 --> 09:37:51,500
Thank you, Mayor.

6802
09:37:53,480 --> 09:37:54,800
Commissioner Willson.

6803
09:37:56,240 --> 09:37:56,800
Thank you, Mayor.

6804
09:37:58,100 --> 09:37:59,280
And thank you, Mr. Walgain.

6805
09:37:59,440 --> 09:38:03,140
And I want to say for the people who have been here.

6806
09:38:03,300 --> 09:38:04,880
Since the beginning of the day, thank you.

6807
09:38:04,940 --> 09:38:10,800
Because I know these are really important issues that will leave impacts for

6808
09:38:10,800 --> 09:38:16,860
for years and years in years to come and I want to say that I like pedestrian improvements

6809
09:38:16,860 --> 09:38:21,260
are near and dear to me and it's a heartbreaking thing a little bit for me to look at this

6810
09:38:21,260 --> 09:38:27,060
because all of the renderings that are so engaging. The one thing they all had in common was there

6811
09:38:27,060 --> 09:38:35,640
was no 12 lane, 10 lane road that was interrupting really the commerce which is what you all are

6812
09:38:35,640 --> 09:38:37,540
kind of navigating in that area.

6813
09:38:38,100 --> 09:38:40,640
The most 70s thing about that area is quite

6814
09:38:40,640 --> 09:38:43,060
frankly the fact that it is completely auto-centric,

6815
09:38:43,740 --> 09:38:46,380
that it was designed and continues to really operate

6816
09:38:46,380 --> 09:38:47,900
in an auto-centric way.

6817
09:38:48,400 --> 09:38:50,640
And I said this is as a, you know,

6818
09:38:50,860 --> 09:38:53,540
I have a love-hate relationship even with the pedestrian

6819
09:38:53,540 --> 09:38:58,180
overpass because it is an incredible, incredible project

6820
09:38:58,180 --> 09:39:00,040
that has taken a lot of time and partnerships.

6821
09:39:01,100 --> 09:39:03,160
But it's because we weren't willing to give up

6822
09:39:03,160 --> 09:39:10,820
single bit of automobile traffic to give way to pedestrians, and so I just wanted to put

6823
09:39:10,820 --> 09:39:15,680
that out there as what I feel like is something philosophically and culturally, we're

6824
09:39:15,680 --> 09:39:20,700
going to have to really navigate when we look at destinations around the world, and what

6825
09:39:20,700 --> 09:39:27,540
is attractive, and what attracts my eye to these things is that it's people, it's humans out there

6826
09:39:27,540 --> 09:39:33,040
enjoying one another, it's natural landscapes. The automobile is a mechanism for getting

6827
09:39:33,040 --> 09:39:36,700
in there and how do we make sure that that's not the focus of all the design.

6828
09:39:37,720 --> 09:39:44,000
So that's just my sort of a little bit of a lead-up to this, but I do think that you are

6829
09:39:44,000 --> 09:39:51,600
exactly right in looking for ways to take advantage of what is already a paid for opportunity

6830
09:39:51,600 --> 09:39:56,920
to keep people safe and then also to bring more foot traffic into that area.

6831
09:39:57,400 --> 09:39:59,980
I think my concerns and thank you all for the brief.

6832
09:40:04,280 --> 09:40:23,500
We are a public entity and therefore, the process of procurement is rightfully, very much competitive and public, and it's something I feel pretty strongly about making sure that we have all of it open to the public, and I know that's a difficult thing in this set of circumstances.

6833
09:40:23,500 --> 09:40:29,080
So, my question is if there, you know, would there ever be an opportunity to sort of separate

6834
09:40:29,080 --> 09:40:38,940
these things and think about the land right away conveyance as one piece, the design and

6835
09:40:40,060 --> 09:40:45,160
construction of the improvements as a second piece and then the ongoing operations management,

6836
09:40:45,520 --> 09:40:50,900
the maintenance, if you will, as a third piece so that the parts that can be competitive right

6837
09:40:50,900 --> 09:40:57,620
away in that we can make part of a public procurement process that we can do that with some

6838
09:40:57,620 --> 09:40:58,300
assurances.

6839
09:41:00,600 --> 09:41:05,620
I'm not sure, I'll answer your first question first, so I'm not sure that we can separate

6840
09:41:05,620 --> 09:41:11,420
the design from the actual project moving forward, precisely because of that right away donation.

6841
09:41:12,320 --> 09:41:16,460
So the preliminary cost of a value of that right away is $8.8 million.

6842
09:41:16,460 --> 09:41:24,260
I don't know that certainly the county does not have that as much as today to engage a design firm

6843
09:41:25,520 --> 09:41:35,400
to implement the concept or design the concept and then go out for construction without the right way being in place.

6844
09:41:36,220 --> 09:41:40,460
So that's something that we discussed at your briefing.

6845
09:41:40,460 --> 09:41:46,260
And again, I think Mr. Wallick's been pretty clear and he saw it on the slides that he would

6846
09:41:46,260 --> 09:41:52,100
not be willing to proceed with the project any other way.

6847
09:41:52,760 --> 09:41:58,720
So the right way is key to the success of this process.

6848
09:41:58,900 --> 09:42:07,240
And then as to your second question regarding the maintenance of the proposed improvements

6849
09:42:07,240 --> 09:42:13,180
and features, certainly from what you saw on the slides and, again, as we discussed in your briefing,

6850
09:42:14,760 --> 09:42:19,860
a great many of those features are something that the county typically would not build or maintain,

6851
09:42:20,060 --> 09:42:28,360
whether it's, you know, fountains or statutes and so forth. That's something that we believe

6852
09:42:28,360 --> 09:42:38,440
staff that that would require a MSTU or BU or some mechanism that would pay for the maintenance

6853
09:42:38,440 --> 09:42:43,400
of those elements that are outside of our typical maintenance program.

6854
09:42:43,520 --> 09:42:48,120
That is not to say that the county would not participate in some of the improvements like

6855
09:42:48,800 --> 09:42:52,880
potentially widening the sidewalks and something that we would typically do anyways.

6856
09:42:53,960 --> 09:42:59,460
But that's going to be part of the process and then negotiation to determine what's a public

6857
09:42:59,460 --> 09:43:02,180
benefit versus more of a private benefit.

6858
09:43:03,240 --> 09:43:07,280
And I guess, you know, the question is, would there be anything, and let's, I mean, we sort

6859
09:43:07,280 --> 09:43:12,320
of are also looking at a local government funding, you know, a lot of funding on certain

6860
09:43:12,320 --> 09:43:14,280
these, you know, a local government right now.

6861
09:43:14,780 --> 09:43:19,080
So would there be anything from the county's perspective that would prevent the private entities

6862
09:43:19,080 --> 09:43:24,520
from pursuing this project, independent of county contribution.

6863
09:43:30,350 --> 09:43:31,970
What board can I?

6864
09:43:32,070 --> 09:43:36,290
So private entities that are there, and I understand we're working with one person

6865
09:43:36,290 --> 09:43:41,210
that is a landowner, but also is really a champion of a project.

6866
09:43:41,690 --> 09:43:47,810
But there is more than one entity that is obviously would be participating in this project

6867
09:43:47,810 --> 09:43:48,550
moving forward.

6868
09:43:48,550 --> 09:43:58,970
Is there anything that prohibits them from doing the project independent of counties financial support should the uncertainties that we are?

6869
09:43:59,250 --> 09:44:08,310
So I don't know that I can answer that question without if the county would not invest in the project itself.

6870
09:44:08,670 --> 09:44:17,110
But what is clear is that the state will want to negotiate with the county and not with the property owners.

6871
09:44:17,110 --> 09:44:22,190
So when we get into maintenance agreements and costs, the county has to be involved.

6872
09:44:22,510 --> 09:44:24,690
And that's when we decide, well, who's responsible for what?

6873
09:44:24,690 --> 09:44:25,370
That's part of the transfer.

6874
09:44:25,370 --> 09:44:26,870
As you're going to pay for it.

6875
09:44:27,790 --> 09:44:31,570
I guarantee the state will want to deal with the county.

6876
09:44:31,570 --> 09:44:32,990
They've already expressed that sentiment.

6877
09:44:33,550 --> 09:44:36,590
And to me, the second piece of it is,

6878
09:44:36,770 --> 09:44:39,130
staff has to begin to engage with the stakeholders.

6879
09:44:42,850 --> 09:44:43,330
Okay.

6880
09:44:43,330 --> 09:44:50,310
conversations with property owners or the stakeholders in the area. But we really need to get

6881
09:44:50,310 --> 09:44:57,590
a first person from them about what their potential tolerance is for and making an investment

6882
09:44:57,590 --> 09:44:59,970
into this area again if it's a troupe.

6883
09:45:00,000 --> 09:45:08,260
Public private partnership, we're not talking about just one partnership with one private entity, but we're talking

6884
09:45:08,260 --> 09:45:14,260
about potentially with multiple ones. And we don't know what we don't know until we really have that full engagement.

6885
09:45:14,480 --> 09:45:20,120
And I want to make sure I'm being clear. I'm very much leaning in the way of making sure that we're empowering,

6886
09:45:20,400 --> 09:45:27,260
to have to go through that process. I think the part that I want to make sure that I can go back and explain to my constituents and people,

6887
09:45:27,260 --> 09:45:29,080
who want to know why they don't get this help

6888
09:45:29,080 --> 09:45:30,480
at the entrance of their own neighborhoods,

6889
09:45:31,200 --> 09:45:32,440
is why is this different?

6890
09:45:33,240 --> 09:45:36,400
If there's a group of citizens with private property

6891
09:45:36,400 --> 09:45:38,820
that are willing to donate this,

6892
09:45:38,820 --> 09:45:41,980
some of their private property the right away,

6893
09:45:42,900 --> 09:45:47,960
and in design they're landscaping and then the county,

6894
09:45:48,220 --> 09:45:49,760
what's gotta gonna pay it me back for that.

6895
09:45:49,820 --> 09:45:50,560
I made it as beautiful.

6896
09:45:50,740 --> 09:45:51,420
It's now worth more.

6897
09:45:51,540 --> 09:45:52,520
You're getting more out of the alarm.

6898
09:45:53,340 --> 09:45:55,660
So, how do we distinguish those types

6899
09:45:55,660 --> 09:46:03,420
of opportunities, you know, in an equitable way and understanding that kind of have to look at it

6900
09:46:03,420 --> 09:46:04,160
holistically, right?

6901
09:46:04,160 --> 09:46:08,060
I mean, has this ever been done anywhere else, is there a model we can use?

6902
09:46:09,100 --> 09:46:11,700
And, but I do agree with you, Mayor, we have to speak with the stakeholders.

6903
09:46:12,200 --> 09:46:18,880
I agree with you also, in that part of your point was that we need to look at multimodal

6904
09:46:18,880 --> 09:46:22,420
solutions to the traffic going into the area.

6905
09:46:22,420 --> 09:46:29,080
So I believe that is something that has to occur concurrently what we are talking about here

6906
09:46:29,080 --> 09:46:36,240
because we have an intermodal sentiment that is this plan and we have had conversations

6907
09:46:36,240 --> 09:46:47,440
in partnership with universal and others about getting, you know, sundry off from the airport

6908
09:46:47,440 --> 09:46:50,780
or some type of connectivity from the airport

6909
09:46:50,780 --> 09:46:52,780
into the international drive corridor.

6910
09:46:53,500 --> 09:46:55,760
And beyond all of those conversations

6911
09:46:55,760 --> 09:46:59,080
need to continue if we really want to get

6912
09:46:59,080 --> 09:47:02,940
more of the vehicles off the roadway

6913
09:47:02,940 --> 09:47:07,540
and turn that area into a more pedestrian friendly area.

6914
09:47:07,960 --> 09:47:11,000
So I think that all of those conversations

6915
09:47:11,000 --> 09:47:17,020
So for future boards, we're going to have to continue.

6916
09:47:17,900 --> 09:47:24,460
Obviously, we have multiple conversations about opinion sales tax,

6917
09:47:24,540 --> 09:47:32,900
half opinion sales tax to try to advance the solutions to our transit challenges

6918
09:47:32,900 --> 09:47:41,960
So for, and timing is everything, our community didn't feel that we had with the economy

6919
09:47:41,960 --> 09:47:46,600
being what it was at the time, the ability to go forward with that.

6920
09:47:46,600 --> 09:47:56,850
But our remaining optimistic that as traffic congestion worsens, I believe that the interest

6921
09:47:56,850 --> 09:48:03,850
And the desire of our community for a real multimodal solution to traffic problems is going

6922
09:48:03,850 --> 09:48:13,150
to go up and so keep that in mind, know in your tenure remaining here on the board and

6923
09:48:13,150 --> 09:48:19,650
others that this is going to not go away, it's going to be part of the conversation I think.

6924
09:48:20,680 --> 09:48:26,810
We can't solve housing without solving transit, we can't solve the economic issues without

6925
09:48:26,810 --> 09:48:35,090
creating jobs, good paying jobs, and we're working on all of those fronts to make that whole

6926
09:48:35,090 --> 09:48:37,610
area better, area in our entire community better.

6927
09:48:40,290 --> 09:48:41,130
All right.

6928
09:48:41,270 --> 09:48:42,210
Commissioner Graham.

6929
09:48:48,540 --> 09:48:49,760
You was one out.

6930
09:48:53,520 --> 09:48:53,760
All right.

6931
09:48:53,960 --> 09:48:54,400
Thank you, Mayor.

6932
09:48:54,500 --> 09:48:55,180
Appreciate it.

6933
09:48:55,320 --> 09:48:55,580
Just a while.

6934
09:48:55,680 --> 09:48:57,680
Thank you so much for bringing this forward.

6935
09:48:57,780 --> 09:48:59,320
Having the vision to do this.

6936
09:48:59,320 --> 09:49:08,220
And, and although I agree with Commissioner Wilson on transparency and

6937
09:49:08,220 --> 09:49:12,180
an opportunity for people, you're the one that brought it forward.

6938
09:49:13,080 --> 09:49:14,860
Other people had an opportunity to do it and they did.

6939
09:49:16,620 --> 09:49:18,140
So I appreciate the vision.

6940
09:49:18,580 --> 09:49:21,360
I'll certainly have some questions about how we're going to pay for this and how what

6941
09:49:21,360 --> 09:49:25,080
is some maximum dollars that the county would commit to it.

6942
09:49:25,080 --> 09:49:28,620
And Rinsa too, I forgot to say how do you have a senior forever, but I'm glad

6943
09:49:28,620 --> 09:49:30,180
I've been able to see you today.

6944
09:49:31,720 --> 09:49:35,800
This is an unbelievable project for those who don't know.

6945
09:49:36,140 --> 09:49:40,680
I worked down on I drive for many a year at the Convention Center, very familiar with

6946
09:49:40,680 --> 09:49:44,600
the issues down there and very familiar with what's needed down there.

6947
09:49:44,880 --> 09:49:51,360
And so I will always be a voice of common sense for some solutions down there and agree with

6948
09:49:51,360 --> 09:49:56,700
the mayor for all of those transportation issues that we need to have a discussion about.

6949
09:49:56,700 --> 09:49:59,960
But thank you for bringing it forward, and I am a.

6950
09:50:00,000 --> 09:50:15,220
Okay, yes, on option 3. Commissioner Gomez, good day roll. Thank you, Mayor. Good afternoon, even in everyone. Thank you for being here. Soleil, we attire to, I know that.

6951
09:50:15,220 --> 09:50:24,860
for sure. Okay, so I have several questions. Number one, do we know how much the county

6952
09:50:24,860 --> 09:50:31,660
will save if we do unsolicited proposal and solicitation of additional proposal?

6953
09:50:34,880 --> 09:50:41,520
So I don't think the savings necessarily in nature of the proposal. The savings is really

6954
09:50:41,520 --> 09:50:46,040
the fundamental piece to this project, which is the right away.

6955
09:50:46,380 --> 09:50:48,700
So, it's approximately $8.8 million.

6956
09:50:48,960 --> 09:50:50,020
$8.8 million.

6957
09:50:50,040 --> 09:50:51,040
$8.8 million.

6958
09:50:51,360 --> 09:51:00,480
So, that's the benefit that Mr. Wallach and other property owners bring to the table without that right away is frankly there isn't a project.

6959
09:51:00,880 --> 09:51:03,480
So, the right away belongs to him?

6960
09:51:03,700 --> 09:51:11,160
So, I can let Mr. Wallach answer specifically, but he has at least two properties there and that there are the property owners.

6961
09:51:11,160 --> 09:51:14,440
both a long-standing and a long international drive.

6962
09:51:14,760 --> 09:51:17,020
So it's a group of property owners.

6963
09:51:18,420 --> 09:51:20,660
OK, but not all of them are going to be donating.

6964
09:51:22,260 --> 09:51:25,900
Well, conceptually, the idea is yes.

6965
09:51:26,360 --> 09:51:31,160
Those folks that will see improvements on their property

6966
09:51:31,160 --> 09:51:33,760
will be required to donate their right way.

6967
09:51:33,760 --> 09:51:35,880
Otherwise, those improvements are not going to take place

6968
09:51:35,880 --> 09:51:36,580
on their property.

6969
09:51:40,740 --> 09:51:46,860
And then, okay, my other question is, I still have to get them up.

6970
09:51:46,880 --> 09:51:47,420
That's fine.

6971
09:51:48,420 --> 09:51:56,620
In one of the slides, it says landscape in and the other improvements will be done by private entities, right?

6972
09:51:57,000 --> 09:51:58,400
That's in one of the things.

6973
09:51:59,120 --> 09:52:02,000
So who decides is, it says, she said not the county.

6974
09:52:02,260 --> 09:52:04,880
So who decides who's going to take care of that?

6975
09:52:04,880 --> 09:52:06,980
So, that is part of the negotiation.

6976
09:52:07,600 --> 09:52:16,640
So, as the proposal was submitted by Mr. Wallick, the assumption was that the county would pay for the operations and maintenance.

6977
09:52:17,380 --> 09:52:19,800
County staffers recommending something very different.

6978
09:52:20,220 --> 09:52:29,040
We're recommending that the ONM be primarily funded by the property owners through an MST or BU or some other instrument.

6979
09:52:29,040 --> 09:52:36,720
the county could potentially be responsible for those elements of landscaping or maintenance

6980
09:52:36,720 --> 09:52:40,560
that we would typically maintain anyways, but nothing beyond that.

6981
09:52:40,640 --> 09:52:45,160
But again, those are discussions and negotiations that still need to take place.

6982
09:52:46,560 --> 09:52:52,380
So we assuming the board direct staff to continue our conversations and negotiations with

6983
09:52:52,380 --> 09:52:56,240
the property owners, that is one of the key pieces that we will be discussing.

6984
09:52:56,240 --> 09:53:08,940
Okay and I wanted to ask because I like the pictures that he missed a wallet showed and it

6985
09:53:08,940 --> 09:53:14,200
looks very pretty and all of that. But I was going to ask the people that go in ebi

6986
09:53:14,200 --> 09:53:20,560
scooters will they be able to go through the bridge or they will have to go. So any motorized

6987
09:53:22,780 --> 09:53:33,340
vehicle would not, at least I don't think they would, I think we would have some issues with

6988
09:53:33,340 --> 09:53:40,540
you know, motorized vehicles on the bridge itself. So they would have to be part of the

6989
09:53:40,540 --> 09:53:49,300
typical operations on the road itself. That's the assumption I'm making. I can't, I can't

6990
09:53:49,300 --> 09:53:54,020
I'm having webinar scooters on the bridge.

6991
09:53:54,580 --> 09:53:59,440
Okay, and then my last question, and maybe this is too early to ask,

6992
09:53:59,700 --> 09:54:02,020
but I'm going to ask anyways, because sunlight,

6993
09:54:02,680 --> 09:54:04,660
like Commissioner Wilson said, I've been in construction

6994
09:54:05,060 --> 09:54:08,600
for a long time right now, like very long.

6995
09:54:09,100 --> 09:54:12,520
Okay, so then I just wanted to know what specific impacts

6996
09:54:12,520 --> 09:54:16,520
does sunlight anticipate and do in construction?

6997
09:54:16,520 --> 09:54:19,120
Is that going to be, you know, if we're ready?

6998
09:54:19,920 --> 09:54:25,120
So we've had some discussions with the department, primarily, for example, on the bridge, right?

6999
09:54:26,160 --> 09:54:31,800
So, you know, there's no way that they're going to shut down Santa Lake Road and I4.

7000
09:54:33,000 --> 09:54:36,240
So, that is part of the discussion that needs to happen with the department,

7001
09:54:36,820 --> 09:54:39,720
as to how that made it's a traffic is going to be managed.

7002
09:54:40,120 --> 09:54:45,940
And if you saw one of the earlier slides, that's one of the first thing the department wants to be in place.

7003
09:54:45,940 --> 09:54:50,600
is an agreement about how that management of traffic is going to take place.

7004
09:54:50,860 --> 09:54:54,080
Equally, that's important to the county on our system.

7005
09:54:55,040 --> 09:54:58,960
How are our roads and our operations going to be impacted?

7006
09:55:00,000 --> 09:55:05,240
All agreements that will be subject to negotiations as we go forward.

7007
09:55:06,580 --> 09:55:14,260
So, my last question. Can you explain if we decided on option 3? What does that mean?

7008
09:55:15,220 --> 09:55:15,920
What does that mean?

7009
09:55:17,940 --> 09:55:23,840
That means that this board will authorize the county to continue negotiations

7010
09:55:23,840 --> 09:55:30,000
with Mr. Wallock and the rest of the other property owners and to enter into a series of agreements

7011
09:55:30,560 --> 09:55:37,960
with him and the other property owners on a myriad of issues and don't want to exclude the

7012
09:55:37,960 --> 09:55:40,020
numerous agreements with the state.

7013
09:55:42,120 --> 09:55:47,040
That's sorry. Actually it means after we go through negotiations we will come back to you again

7014
09:55:47,040 --> 09:55:52,160
so you can make the findings to determine that it's in the public interest and we can publish

7015
09:55:52,160 --> 09:55:57,440
report that's required by the statute. And then when we have an actual agreement, we would

7016
09:55:57,440 --> 09:56:02,980
come back for a third time with the contract that governs how it's going to move forward.

7017
09:56:03,340 --> 09:56:08,720
Oh, we would get additional details now so that we can bring it back to you later and you can

7018
09:56:08,720 --> 09:56:13,340
actually make a decision as to whether you want us to move forward and enter into a contract.

7019
09:56:14,100 --> 09:56:18,720
Okay, so I understand all of that and so but for the effect that people are you know listening

7020
09:56:18,720 --> 09:56:23,880
to this and they would like to know why it missed a while I can see on why we negotiate with him

7021
09:56:23,880 --> 09:56:30,940
here. What should we tell them? What is the point? Why him or not the others that are around there?

7022
09:56:31,220 --> 09:56:35,680
Because he submitted the proposal. That's what I wanted to say. Thank you. Okay.

7023
09:56:42,190 --> 09:56:49,430
Commissioner Simmerhead. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you so much for the presentation and I want to

7024
09:56:49,430 --> 09:56:54,910
I'll tell you, thank you to mangoes for a long time ago in Miami when I was a grad student.

7025
09:56:56,050 --> 09:57:05,530
Every time I had a friend come into town, we would go to mangoes and it was always a fun place and more importantly, it was always a safe place, so don't tell too much.

7026
09:57:07,430 --> 09:57:11,910
So everything I say, I say with love for mangoes, that's my prelude.

7027
09:57:11,910 --> 09:57:20,950
So I really I subscribe to the philosophy of what you do for one, you have to do for all.

7028
09:57:21,590 --> 09:57:32,630
And so if we're entering into an agreement with one company regarding an exchange for safety improvements, we have to be consideration of the precedent that we then set moving forward for all.

7029
09:57:32,630 --> 09:57:35,210
And if

7030
09:57:38,250 --> 09:57:44,270
we think about what is being said here, Commissioner Wilson, I think that that procurement

7031
09:57:44,270 --> 09:57:49,810
process is sacred because it's our transparency to the public to say that everybody

7032
09:57:49,810 --> 09:57:55,550
has the same fair shot at getting contracts with Orange County government.

7033
09:57:56,410 --> 09:58:01,930
And so when you get an applicant that says, played by my roles or I won't play, despite

7034
09:58:01,930 --> 09:58:16,310
I can tell that when you present it's coming from a genuine place so I don't mean to insult that, but when I hear that type of language in writing or when I read that it's that's difficult for an elected official to digest.

7035
09:58:17,210 --> 09:58:23,410
Because you're asking us to deviate from a process that on any other day we uphold with pride.

7036
09:58:24,090 --> 09:58:32,050
So, the way that the District 5 team and myself when we read this arrangement, and I want

7037
09:58:32,050 --> 09:58:38,310
to say that before we got the briefing from the county when my team briefed me on this,

7038
09:58:38,430 --> 09:58:44,210
I said, pull all the property owners in the area and run the owners against the name of the

7039
09:58:44,210 --> 09:58:52,030
company that made the application of an unsolicited bid, because things like that don't resonate

7040
09:58:52,030 --> 09:58:58,130
well with the public. And they also don't resonate well with the people and the small businesses

7041
09:58:58,130 --> 09:59:03,610
and the other companies who don't get the same type of deal. So if you look at the actual

7042
09:59:03,610 --> 09:59:09,470
contract, well we're committing to here is that they're going to donate and I put in airports.

7043
09:59:09,630 --> 09:59:16,870
Donate the land to the county on the condition that they get to build what they want, decide who builds

7044
09:59:16,870 --> 09:59:23,590
it. And then the county reimburses them and maintains what they build.

7045
09:59:25,930 --> 09:59:27,910
Whoa. We can do so much

7046
09:59:27,910 --> 09:59:34,010
better for the people of Orange County than that type of negotiation. And I'm not comfortable

7047
09:59:34,010 --> 09:59:39,370
with abandoning a process that we uphold with pride every day in our procurement by giving

7048
09:59:39,370 --> 09:59:46,630
every single company that resides within Orange County, a fair shot at getting deals with Orange

7049
09:59:46,630 --> 09:59:59,970
County. So I'm a real firm know on the way that this is presented. Now, safety is an issue and we shouldn't. If safety is an issue, we need to address it. And

7050
10:00:00,000 --> 10:00:11,100
If men goes once to do some type of a deal with Orange County, where somehow we're profiting off of this deal as well, because it's no secret. You guys are going to profit a lot.

7051
10:00:12,180 --> 10:00:20,380
So what I want to profit to for the people of Orange County. So I don't like this deal at all, and I think we can do a whole heck of a lot better.

7052
10:00:21,040 --> 10:00:28,600
So I say try again and come back and let's hear what's in it for the taxpayers of Orange County, the small businesses in the area of Orange County,

7053
10:00:28,600 --> 10:00:35,400
the other companies in Orange County and the tour is district so I'm just we can do a lot better

7054
10:00:35,400 --> 10:00:41,120
and I and I know that we can and I think that this could be successful but this is this is far away from

7055
10:00:41,120 --> 10:00:48,030
I think being in the best interest of our our bosses the people of Orange County. Thank you

7056
10:00:53,570 --> 10:00:59,710
It may be a but I understand the point you're making but it may be somewhat premature

7057
10:00:59,710 --> 10:01:07,410
because we don't have a deal yet, and the way you characterize that is that we are at the deal is one way.

7058
10:01:08,710 --> 10:01:14,690
That's not what we're seeing here. What we're seeing here is that it came forward with a concept

7059
10:01:14,690 --> 10:01:21,870
what we're doing is going to go further to explore, is there balance, is this in the best interest

7060
10:01:21,870 --> 10:01:24,870
and we're empowering our staff to do so.

7061
10:01:25,370 --> 10:01:29,250
There's no agreement, there's no procurement contract at this point.

7062
10:01:29,670 --> 10:01:34,310
These are discussions that will come back before this board

7063
10:01:34,310 --> 10:01:39,270
and to have all of those conversations about is this appropriate.

7064
10:01:40,410 --> 10:01:43,990
And we do this commissioner all the time.

7065
10:01:44,030 --> 10:01:49,570
Even today we had essentially a public private partnership with the hospitals.

7066
10:01:49,570 --> 10:01:55,930
Those are private entities, and it is a partnership between the federal government, the state,

7067
10:01:56,290 --> 10:01:59,690
the local government, and those private hospitals, okay.

7068
10:02:00,470 --> 10:02:06,670
So until you, the devil is in the details, all we're saying here is, let's take a look

7069
10:02:06,670 --> 10:02:08,890
at the details here, and see as it appropriate.

7070
10:02:09,270 --> 10:02:16,770
This is something that is allowed underfloor to law to happen, and it's allowed for a reason,

7071
10:02:17,310 --> 10:02:17,510
okay.

7072
10:02:17,510 --> 10:02:22,970
So, you don't know what you don't know until you sit down and have a conversation, a business

7073
10:02:22,970 --> 10:02:27,110
conversation with individuals and that's all we're saying at this point.

7074
10:02:27,390 --> 10:02:29,610
There's no obligation here.

7075
10:02:30,430 --> 10:02:32,650
We're not obligating to do anything.

7076
10:02:33,350 --> 10:02:35,530
Everything will come back to this board.

7077
10:02:36,050 --> 10:02:45,750
And that is when you have to look and make the determination whether or not what is being proposed

7078
10:02:45,750 --> 10:02:47,570
is in the best interest of the public.

7079
10:02:48,350 --> 10:02:51,950
That decision is really not today in my humble opinion.

7080
10:02:53,490 --> 10:02:56,770
You don't have enough information to make that decision today.

7081
10:02:58,830 --> 10:02:59,150
Absolutely.

7082
10:03:06,710 --> 10:03:07,290
Thank you, Mayor.

7083
10:03:07,510 --> 10:03:11,650
And I'm not far away from what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that if we could

7084
10:03:11,650 --> 10:03:17,530
please go back to the slide where it talks about why option 2 is not an option.

7085
10:03:17,530 --> 10:03:25,900
So, when you say, like, we're not entering into any type of a deal, we actually are because

7086
10:03:25,900 --> 10:03:34,200
if option two was selected, they said, no, the reason why option two couldn't be an option.

7087
10:03:35,240 --> 10:03:35,640
So, here we go.

7088
10:03:36,260 --> 10:03:41,240
So, while staff would normally recommend option two, opening a public process for additional proposals

7089
10:03:41,240 --> 10:03:48,340
is not recommended with this particular unsolicited proposal, because they indicated that

7090
10:03:48,340 --> 10:03:53,620
We will not provide a donation of the property needed for the project if they are not selected

7091
10:03:53,620 --> 10:03:58,400
to construct the project so a public bidding process is not recommended.

7092
10:03:59,160 --> 10:04:05,140
So that is a deal because what it is saying is that we're deviating from our regular procurement

7093
10:04:05,140 --> 10:04:11,040
process and essentially it's telling us if you don't play by our rules we're going to take

7094
10:04:11,040 --> 10:04:13,260
our ball and go home and just not play.

7095
10:04:13,260 --> 10:04:19,760
So, I don't like walking away from what we would normally do, which is, it says right there,

7096
10:04:19,800 --> 10:04:21,960
we would normally recommend option too.

7097
10:04:22,140 --> 10:04:26,380
I don't like walking away from what we would normally do because that's the transparency

7098
10:04:26,380 --> 10:04:27,600
and what we do.

7099
10:04:28,480 --> 10:04:31,200
So I'm very uncomfortable with option number three.

7100
10:04:31,540 --> 10:04:39,340
And all I'm saying to you is that this part, even on the option two, is not necessarily

7101
10:04:39,340 --> 10:04:40,600
off the table.

7102
10:04:40,600 --> 10:04:48,160
You have to sit down and have the conversation right now. There's been really not a full conversation

7103
10:04:48,160 --> 10:04:53,140
Our staff is listening to what they have proposed and they brought it to you.

7104
10:04:53,560 --> 10:04:59,960
They have to go back now, hopefully, that's where we'll end up to say that they're okay. Go back.

7105
10:05:00,000 --> 10:05:11,520
I can have these conversations. Do you really mean that you won't do this or do that? Those are parts of conversation. That's all we're doing at this point.

7106
10:05:15,270 --> 10:05:31,610
We do for all. And so that's why I don't think the way you characterize it is, you know, the reason we have this very public conversation is to make sure that the public is engaged and knows about the process. That's all.

7107
10:05:33,230 --> 10:05:36,750
But, all right, we don't really believe all.

7108
10:05:36,930 --> 10:05:38,350
Commissioner, you're rebate.

7109
10:05:40,700 --> 10:05:43,420
First of all, Josh, I want to just say you're

7110
10:05:43,420 --> 10:05:46,160
excitement for what you're doing here is amazing

7111
10:05:46,160 --> 10:05:48,880
and you've always been consistent on your commitment

7112
10:05:48,880 --> 10:05:50,220
to I drive and what you're doing.

7113
10:05:50,720 --> 10:05:53,040
I will say the one thing that excites me is if you really

7114
10:05:53,040 --> 10:05:55,260
want to get something done, don't get government involved.

7115
10:05:57,400 --> 10:06:00,040
So, and that's what you've done, what you've done.

7116
10:06:00,200 --> 10:06:04,200
But I got to say, I respect what Commissioner Samrod said.

7117
10:06:04,200 --> 10:06:10,200
But if we don't know what's going to happen, I don't want to end the conversation here.

7118
10:06:11,120 --> 10:06:18,120
So I feel okay moving forward so that you all could find out more and really realistically.

7119
10:06:18,820 --> 10:06:24,440
I know off the bat privately if this is done, it'll cost us cheaper than if we did it ourselves.

7120
10:06:24,700 --> 10:06:29,780
I know that already because I'm in construction and I see what the county pays for things.

7121
10:06:29,780 --> 10:06:32,000
And I see what the real-world pays for things.

7122
10:06:32,300 --> 10:06:34,920
And if the real-world paid what county and government pays,

7123
10:06:35,640 --> 10:06:36,780
we wouldn't be building anything.

7124
10:06:37,540 --> 10:06:44,100
But the idea of we normally wouldn't do this with option number two,

7125
10:06:44,220 --> 10:06:47,620
does leave me uneasy, but it's not an easy enough

7126
10:06:47,620 --> 10:06:51,140
to not want a further discussion and find out more.

7127
10:06:52,380 --> 10:06:57,100
So I am a cautious number three only because I think this

7128
10:06:57,100 --> 10:07:03,560
Lawrence a lot more than just saying right here yes or no okay so I wanted to

7129
10:07:03,560 --> 10:07:07,520
I wanted to make that because over the years if there's been anything consistent

7130
10:07:07,520 --> 10:07:12,980
in my years here has been Joshua like try to fix the corner of San Lake and

7131
10:07:12,980 --> 10:07:20,600
international drive okay I think the first ever met you in 2017 or early 2018 you

7132
10:07:20,600 --> 10:07:26,240
had this vision for there and I appreciate that but I think all of us as it's like

7133
10:07:26,240 --> 10:07:33,200
And if we completely just turn away and say, yeah, that's fine, what kind of precedent

7134
10:07:33,200 --> 10:07:37,100
are we setting forward for government as a whole?

7135
10:07:37,400 --> 10:07:39,740
But at the same time, I think it's warranted.

7136
10:07:40,080 --> 10:07:43,320
And I would like to know more before making a final decision.

7137
10:07:44,200 --> 10:07:49,060
So I'm okay with proceeding to see what viability.

7138
10:07:49,600 --> 10:07:50,720
I do have a question.

7139
10:07:50,720 --> 10:07:55,400
And now I realize DOT is what's happened in on I4.

7140
10:07:55,660 --> 10:07:57,120
We've been very involved with that project.

7141
10:07:57,700 --> 10:08:02,880
But at the same time, Stanley Grotes is a DOT road, you know?

7142
10:08:03,840 --> 10:08:07,680
How have we had conversations with DOT?

7143
10:08:07,860 --> 10:08:10,560
I actually asked Secretary Purdue two weeks ago.

7144
10:08:11,120 --> 10:08:13,900
I said Secretary Purdue, do you know anything about this I4 thing?

7145
10:08:13,900 --> 10:08:15,620
He goes, no, I don't know.

7146
10:08:16,320 --> 10:08:18,240
How expensive how those conversations are?

7147
10:08:18,240 --> 10:08:20,640
We've had several conversations with the state.

7148
10:08:20,780 --> 10:08:22,400
He didn't know that he didn't know the detail.

7149
10:08:22,440 --> 10:08:25,760
Well, I understand the Secretary for Duma not be aware,

7150
10:08:25,940 --> 10:08:28,780
but Secretary Tyler here in District 5 certainly is aware,

7151
10:08:29,300 --> 10:08:32,460
as well as his staff and there have been conversations

7152
10:08:32,460 --> 10:08:36,400
with tell-assie staff not at the Secretary's level,

7153
10:08:37,260 --> 10:08:37,480
but with-

7154
10:08:37,480 --> 10:08:40,640
But you know Secretary for Duma lives all the way down,

7155
10:08:40,660 --> 10:08:42,680
Stanley Grode, or dead-end, right?

7156
10:08:44,120 --> 10:08:49,600
Again, we've primarily dealt with District 5.

7157
10:08:50,740 --> 10:08:53,780
I've had a conversation with him recently as last week.

7158
10:08:54,640 --> 10:08:56,000
We've had multiple conversations.

7159
10:08:56,740 --> 10:09:02,280
I know that Mr. Wallik and his team has had a conversation with the district.

7160
10:09:02,280 --> 10:09:03,440
John Tyler?

7161
10:09:03,460 --> 10:09:03,960
A big part?

7162
10:09:04,080 --> 10:09:04,720
Would John Tyler?

7163
10:09:05,140 --> 10:09:07,120
No, with him specifically, we go to his staff.

7164
10:09:07,660 --> 10:09:11,220
Yeah, because I have to share that information with you.

7165
10:09:11,220 --> 10:09:12,640
I would like to know that, absolutely.

7166
10:09:16,620 --> 10:09:19,940
Commissioner Scott, did I, I don't know if we kicked you out or not.

7167
10:09:20,620 --> 10:09:22,160
But you were in and then it disappeared.

7168
10:09:22,660 --> 10:09:23,860
So I'm going to go back to you.

7169
10:09:24,060 --> 10:09:25,060
Thank you Commissioner.

7170
10:09:25,300 --> 10:09:30,440
I just wanted to provide a perspective for Commissioner Semberrand's comments.

7171
10:09:31,260 --> 10:09:33,220
I think you are a fierce protector.

7172
10:09:33,560 --> 10:09:35,920
I feel like if we were in a branch of service,

7173
10:09:40,440 --> 10:09:43,320
I don't know if you remember this commissioner Simran,

7174
10:09:43,880 --> 10:09:47,660
but Mr. Wallick, when you came to town,

7175
10:09:48,080 --> 10:09:50,120
you were not like the U of U doesn't outside

7176
10:09:50,120 --> 10:09:52,080
or there were a number of negative

7177
10:09:52,080 --> 10:09:55,520
or not so great articles written about you.

7178
10:09:55,520 --> 10:09:57,760
And it took time to build a relationship

7179
10:09:57,760 --> 10:09:59,920
with the members of the I-Draft community.

7180
10:10:00,000 --> 10:10:07,300
Our county at large and so I thank you for staying in the course because you certainly could have kept your business elsewhere and moved.

7181
10:10:07,980 --> 10:10:17,260
Commissioner, your points are valid. I think when I'm looking at these processes and these options, the things that stick out to me is like specific

7182
10:10:17,860 --> 10:10:24,880
proceed with negotiations, negotiations, not agreement or or or or or decision, but proceed with a conversation.

7183
10:10:25,680 --> 10:10:33,080
And then staff will coordinate with I drive stakeholders prior prior to returning to the board and prior to final consideration.

7184
10:10:33,560 --> 10:10:38,280
So they may come back and say, hey, this is what was discussed. This was read upon and say, hey, you know what?

7185
10:10:39,180 --> 10:10:42,320
Mayor commissioners, we need to do something else. Hey, you know what? We need to go through.

7186
10:10:42,320 --> 10:10:49,220
everything is still in the table to what the mayor has shared. I know when we acquire

7187
10:10:49,220 --> 10:10:56,180
right away and likewise for like Disney and Universal and other larger entities. When someone

7188
10:10:56,180 --> 10:11:03,640
knows that you have maybe a nice pocketbook that price gets inflated. And so outside of this process

7189
10:11:03,640 --> 10:11:08,640
if we were to do this we would have to spend money on lawyers fees and things like that just

7190
10:11:08,640 --> 10:11:11,120
to acquire the property and then they'll be additional things

7191
10:11:11,120 --> 10:11:11,800
with design.

7192
10:11:12,740 --> 10:11:16,520
I think one clear benefit is the donation of the right away.

7193
10:11:17,040 --> 10:11:19,000
There may be other benefits to the taxpayers

7194
10:11:19,000 --> 10:11:20,420
that we haven't realized yet

7195
10:11:20,420 --> 10:11:23,060
because they haven't had the authority to have the conversation.

7196
10:11:23,760 --> 10:11:26,300
And so I think as they start to have the conversation,

7197
10:11:26,520 --> 10:11:29,380
Renzo, I have briefings, you and other commissioners

7198
10:11:29,380 --> 10:11:31,740
in the mayor may come back with,

7199
10:11:31,740 --> 10:11:33,500
hey, here are some additional things we can do

7200
10:11:33,500 --> 10:11:35,800
to add value to this agreement.

7201
10:11:35,960 --> 10:11:37,520
Should we go in this direction

7202
10:11:37,520 --> 10:11:39,740
that will enhance the value to the taxpayer.

7203
10:11:40,200 --> 10:11:43,920
So like the mayor was saying, while we are deviating from the process,

7204
10:11:44,120 --> 10:11:48,780
we are deviating for a reason, and we're really deviating just for a conversation,

7205
10:11:49,060 --> 10:11:52,220
not necessarily for a decision, because when the decision is made,

7206
10:11:52,240 --> 10:11:57,280
a conversation will be had with the board to determine whether or not we move forward,

7207
10:11:57,480 --> 10:12:02,320
based on what is negotiated or whether we go back to the option to.

7208
10:12:02,320 --> 10:12:06,840
And so I just wanted to give that perspective, as we've shared before,

7209
10:12:09,100 --> 10:12:10,420
I think you asked me

7210
10:12:10,960 --> 10:12:16,540
when we had a vote about the school. And you asked me specifically, are you supporting Commissioner

7211
10:12:16,540 --> 10:12:23,600
Wilson and her advocacy for her district? And so likewise, I would just ask for your support

7212
10:12:23,600 --> 10:12:28,300
and my advocacy for my district and the residents and businesses that are there because I haven't

7213
10:12:28,300 --> 10:12:32,680
hurt any bad, feedback about this, they've been discussing this, and again, as the

7214
10:12:32,680 --> 10:12:38,420
mayor just iterated, this is just allowing staff to proceed with negotiations and the

7215
10:12:38,420 --> 10:12:42,620
conversations. They may come back, this is just like Timberscan. They may come back with

7216
10:12:42,620 --> 10:12:46,280
different options and like, hey, we need to go in a different route, but we're just giving

7217
10:12:46,280 --> 10:12:52,500
them empowering them to continue this conversation on a more formal level to then bring back

7218
10:12:52,500 --> 10:12:56,000
additional options and perspectives for you. And like I said, you're going to have briefings

7219
10:12:56,000 --> 10:13:02,180
with them, they may find some additional benefit to the taxpayer that we haven't yet determined

7220
10:13:02,180 --> 10:13:07,060
or thought of because they haven't engaged in the conversations on this level that we're

7221
10:13:07,060 --> 10:13:08,400
hopefully about to get them today.

7222
10:13:08,660 --> 10:13:13,160
So I just want to share that perspective with you, like I said, I'm in four in favor of

7223
10:13:13,160 --> 10:13:13,320
option.

7224
10:13:13,580 --> 10:13:15,240
Three, let's go, let's go, let's go.

7225
10:13:15,320 --> 10:13:15,800
Thank you, Mayor.

7226
10:13:15,900 --> 10:13:16,740
Thank you, Commissioner Samrad.

7227
10:13:19,790 --> 10:13:22,810
Just called me out by name, but first of all, there was just something in the way that

7228
10:13:22,810 --> 10:13:26,270
what you just said about did I ask you if you were going to support Commissioner Wilson

7229
10:13:26,270 --> 10:13:29,310
and kind of implied like a sunshine violation or something

7230
10:13:29,310 --> 10:13:31,190
cut a car and I want to.

7231
10:13:31,770 --> 10:13:34,910
That was done in the meeting, that's what you did.

7232
10:13:38,020 --> 10:13:41,500
In a open meeting, just so we're clear, in an open meeting,

7233
10:13:41,740 --> 10:13:43,540
when we were talking about a land use for,

7234
10:13:43,580 --> 10:13:45,520
I think it was the winter park prep.

7235
10:13:46,180 --> 10:13:48,940
You asked, on the record, when we were a prep or whatever,

7236
10:13:49,340 --> 10:13:51,480
are you some, when it was confusion about the vote,

7237
10:13:51,800 --> 10:13:53,120
that's what that was, not a sunshine.

7238
10:13:53,400 --> 10:13:54,040
Sorry about that.

7239
10:13:54,040 --> 10:13:55,480
I wanted to clear that up.

7240
10:13:55,480 --> 10:13:57,440
That was a public day.

7241
10:13:57,620 --> 10:13:57,860
Sorry.

7242
10:13:57,860 --> 10:14:03,380
That was a giant but that was in the meeting you asked me without so I'm just asking okay same

7243
10:14:03,380 --> 10:14:05,340
Okay, we may have long time

7244
10:14:05,340 --> 10:14:13,000
But I have to say something mayor because called me up by name and I wasn't I had said my piece and I was going to button up and I was gonna be done for the night

7245
10:14:13,000 --> 10:14:14,340
But you know again

7246
10:14:14,340 --> 10:14:18,360
I just want to say I'm coming at this from a perspective you're asking for my support

7247
10:14:18,360 --> 10:14:23,540
But this is a values issue for me and when we talk about going into a negotiation

7248
10:14:23,540 --> 10:14:27,840
You want to make sure that we put the county and the government and

7249
10:14:27,860 --> 10:14:31,600
that not a deficit level in the negotiation of the deal,

7250
10:14:31,760 --> 10:14:34,320
but we want to be on a playing field

7251
10:14:34,320 --> 10:14:37,500
where we have a chance to make an outcome of something

7252
10:14:37,500 --> 10:14:40,360
that is beyond what has been presented today.

7253
10:14:40,620 --> 10:14:43,700
So again, I want to reiterate what has been presented

7254
10:14:43,700 --> 10:14:44,840
in terms of what we're doing.

7255
10:14:44,940 --> 10:14:48,020
They donate the land to the county on the condition

7256
10:14:48,020 --> 10:14:54,520
that they build what they want decide who will build it.

7257
10:14:54,520 --> 10:14:59,260
And then the county reimburses them, and maintains.

7258
10:15:00,000 --> 10:15:08,640
The costs that they built, that is not a place where I think we're putting the county government

7259
10:15:09,200 --> 10:15:16,120
at a position of power in a negotiation. And that is why I'm saying, I'm not opposed to it. But

7260
10:15:16,120 --> 10:15:22,220
I want something to come back that sounds a lot different than what we heard today. And then

7261
10:15:22,220 --> 10:15:27,800
move forward with some form of negotiation. So that's a values statement for me. So I please

7262
10:15:27,800 --> 10:15:33,960
don't inform my position as not being supportive of you. I'm just simply saying this is a

7263
10:15:33,960 --> 10:15:40,140
values proposition and issue for me. And so I'm trying to get us to a point where when we

7264
10:15:40,140 --> 10:15:45,280
talk about bargaining power and Commissioner Crab your part of your union I was also part

7265
10:15:45,280 --> 10:15:50,900
of my teacher's union and involved in all in the bargaining we put our county government

7266
10:15:50,900 --> 10:15:57,460
at a better position than what this deal gave to us today. That's my point and that's why I

7267
10:15:57,460 --> 10:16:09,320
I'm a note today, but I hope that we get to a point where we're at a better level for negotiation for the people of Orange County period.

7268
10:16:09,500 --> 10:16:15,880
So, Mayor, if I could, I just want to reiterate that, you know, as you said,

7269
10:16:16,220 --> 10:16:26,360
what staff is looking for this evening is just should the board decide to give staff authorization to continue having discussions and negotiations

7270
10:16:26,360 --> 10:16:28,740
Mr. Wallace and the rest of the property owners.

7271
10:16:29,160 --> 10:16:31,600
I do want to make one thing clear though.

7272
10:16:32,320 --> 10:16:36,020
We've already identified issues that we would not be willing

7273
10:16:36,020 --> 10:16:42,240
to compromise that is on the paving for E features that the county

7274
10:16:42,240 --> 10:16:45,760
would not build in the first place or maintain in the first place.

7275
10:16:46,120 --> 10:16:49,860
So these are just some of the very small items that we've already identified

7276
10:16:49,860 --> 10:16:52,340
where we need to have further discussions on.

7277
10:16:52,340 --> 10:16:58,180
And again, for this evening, we're only seeking authority to proceed with the negotiations.

7278
10:16:58,400 --> 10:16:59,340
Nothing more.

7279
10:16:59,700 --> 10:17:05,920
And as of this, while I said earlier, we would come back here at least two more times,

7280
10:17:06,640 --> 10:17:11,060
following meetings with the community in their national drive area.

7281
10:17:11,220 --> 10:17:12,640
So that's what we're looking for.

7282
10:17:12,840 --> 10:17:15,860
And whatever they do, the county has to approve.

7283
10:17:17,000 --> 10:17:31,380
Okay, so, the consensus is, even though, you know, Commissioner Simriass sounds like she may not be all in here, is option three.

7284
10:17:33,000 --> 10:17:39,900
Okay, okay, so option three is, is the during consensus out of board.

7285
10:17:39,900 --> 10:17:50,000
And that's where you all, that's a direction you have today to move, to continue to bring it back, to be additional conversations.

7286
10:17:51,180 --> 10:17:53,260
So, thank you all, thank you all for your presence.

7287
10:17:53,760 --> 10:18:05,520
Before we conclude our meeting, however, Commissioner Crab asked that he'd be given an opportunity to make a statement, a brief statement.

7288
10:18:07,120 --> 10:18:07,520
Commissioner,

7289
10:18:09,820 --> 10:18:11,320
he's working on it.

7290
10:18:11,940 --> 10:18:16,220
First of all, I survived my first meeting and I want to thank the Mayor and all the commissioners

7291
10:18:16,220 --> 10:18:16,900
for your support.

7292
10:18:17,140 --> 10:18:18,020
I appreciate it.

7293
10:18:18,040 --> 10:18:24,260
Mayor, your staff has been unbelievable in helping me get settled and get briefed.

7294
10:18:24,380 --> 10:18:24,640
Byron.

7295
10:18:25,140 --> 10:18:25,620
Thank you so much.

7296
10:18:25,880 --> 10:18:26,920
So anyway, I just want to thank everybody.

7297
10:18:27,100 --> 10:18:28,600
I so appreciate all the support and help.

7298
10:18:28,820 --> 10:18:29,320
Thank you.

7299
10:18:33,320 --> 10:18:33,840
No,

7300
10:18:40,660 --> 10:18:43,720
right, we moved up on the hit. Is that the one you?

7301
10:18:45,240 --> 10:18:49,920
Well, I don't know, but if there's nothing else,

7302
10:18:50,320 --> 10:18:52,060
Byron, anything else you have today?

7303
10:18:52,640 --> 10:18:53,400
No sir.

7304
10:18:53,780 --> 10:18:55,340
All right, then we stand adjourned.