1 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:56,719 I got to do that all over again. >> Okay, first one is datab bank phase 2 uh 2 00:00:54,559 --> 00:01:02,440 PV25-2. Uh I believe AKRF has some information 3 00:00:59,199 --> 00:01:02,440 for us. 4 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:11,520 » Okay, sure. Um, so the applicant submitted their draft scope and we 5 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:16,720 submitted a red line and clean version back to the board. Um, a lot of it was 6 00:01:14,479 --> 00:01:22,720 clarifications on certain aspects and kind of just some typical secret 7 00:01:19,759 --> 00:01:27,040 language that we added in. Um, at this time tonight, because it is still just a 8 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,960 draft, we are asking that the board refer it out to the involved and 9 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:35,680 interested agencies. that way they can come back and comments on the scope as 10 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:41,520 well. And then we would also like to hear any uh questions or comments from 11 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:46,560 the board on the scope. And uh this isn't the end of it as well. We're going 12 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:55,759 to let me pull up the schedule real quick. 13 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:59,479 Um the game plan is to also set um the public hearing 14 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:10,399 for September 9th and then we'll also be accepting written comments until 15 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:13,840 September 14th. Um, so the board can we can discuss any comments that you all 16 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:18,480 have now, but it's not too late. If you need to email us, we can discuss things 17 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:25,440 further and keep editing. We have some time. The goal is to adopt the final on 18 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:30,000 9:23. Thank you. Um 19 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:36,080 this is just a scoping session for the board. There will be no public comment 20 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:40,000 on this. This is basically for us to agree and to vote on circulating all the 21 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:48,040 comments to the public. So there will be no public input on this at this time. 22 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:48,040 Okay. Any questions or comments on this? 23 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:55,120 » Okay. Mike, questions or comments? >> Nothing at this time. 24 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,280 » Okay. Thank you. Any questions or comments? 25 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:02,560 » Uh, no, not right now. >> Okay. Questions or comments? 26 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:09,440 » Gross. Questions or comments? >> Okay. Um, can I have a vote from the 27 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:15,840 board to circulate this for public scoping session? 28 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:21,400 » Motion to distribute the draft scoping document to interested agencies. 29 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,120 » Okay. Do I have a second? All in favor? 30 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:33,599 » Any opposed? >> None. Okay. So be it. Thank you. 31 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,720 » And then the second part would be I'm not sure if you all want a motion to um 32 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:44,640 set the public hearing for September 9th. I think isn't that up for the 33 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,640 building department to set the meeting >> between 34 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:56,400 » Okay. Do I have a motion to set the meeting for what was the date? 35 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,599 » September 9th. >> September. 36 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:04,799 » September 9th for datab bank. >> Motion to set public hearing for the 37 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:11,360 scoping document for September 9th, 2026. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll 38 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:18,160 second that. All in favor? Any opposed? >> Okay, you have that. Okay, next item. If 39 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:21,160 I can find this mess. Hold on just a second. 40 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,320 » Oh, I It's just a list. Okay. 41 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,479 I think the next one is 42 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,880 a consultation for um >> No, no, 43 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,880 » no, >> not that next page. 44 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,360 » Huh? >> It should be a third page. 45 00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:00,600 » I don't have third page. >> Oh god. 46 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:14,720 » Here. I got it here. That was that event. Okay. The next is uh Beerus 7th 47 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:19,759 Day Adventist Church uh village of Nyak planning board site 48 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:25,280 review. It's a general uh municipal law referral. 49 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Is there any discussion on that? Um they're looking for I think local 50 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,520 » local amendment. >> Any discussion Andy? 51 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,520 » I have nothing. Mike, >> nothing. 52 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:50,560 Oh, okay. Thank you very much. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. 53 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:55,800 » So, we want to refer this for local uh motion to refer um 54 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,280 the Sarah 7th Day Adventist Church [clears throat] 55 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:04,000 back to the village of Nyak. Uh local determination. 56 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,479 » Do I have a second? >> Second. All in favor? 57 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:14,800 » Any opposed? None. Okay. The next is Gray resident site plan amendment again 58 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:19,039 from the Gro planning board. Uh general municipal law referral. 59 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,319 Any discussion on that? >> I have nothing. 60 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,759 » Mike, >> no comment. 61 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:28,319 » Dave, Matt Gross, nothing. Okay. Can I have a 62 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:35,039 motion for local referral? Motion to refer the GRA resident site plan as 63 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:38,720 amended back to the village of uh NYAK a local determination. 64 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:40,479 » Thank you. Okay. Next is >> second. 65 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,240 » Second. >> Okay. Do I have a second? 66 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:46,720 » Second. >> All in favor? 67 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:51,840 » Oppos? None. Okay. Next is one vert place seaw wall rehabilitation and stair 68 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,600 access again the village of Nyak planning board. 69 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,560 » Discussion. Andy. >> No. 70 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:04,400 » Mike. No back. No. Okay. Again. 71 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:09,039 » Okay. Motion to refer one leva place seaw wall rehabilitation stair access 72 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:12,160 back to the village of Nyak planning board for local determination. Okay. Do 73 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,560 I have a second? >> Second. 74 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:20,240 » All in favor? >> Opposed? None. Okay. Done. Okay. 75 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:25,280 » Now we get down to business. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. 76 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:29,120 Okay. The first one if I can find it. What's in this mess? 77 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:36,520 » Yeah. Is it >> Coing 30 Corporate Drive LLC site plan 78 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,520 review PB 2622. 79 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:58,360 » Glenn McCrad, engineer for the applicant. 80 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:58,360 G L E N MCC C R E D Y 81 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,639 » Okay, Mr. Brder. >> Yes. 82 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:12,560 » What can I do you for, sir? >> We are here for pre approval of an 83 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,039 expansion of an existing building in corporate park. 84 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:26,479 We are here for the expansion of an existing building in Corporate Park. 85 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:29,599 » Okay. Thank you, sir. Um, let me go through the consultants report. 86 00:08:28,285 --> 00:08:35,839 [clears throat] I have a letter from the town of Orangetown 87 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:42,399 ZBA Rick Oliver dated August 11th. He has 15 comments. I have a letter from 88 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:49,040 Orangetown DME Ruth Peters dated August 21st with 17 comments. 89 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:56,000 I have a letter from Orangetown Fly Fire dated July 31st. No comments. I have 90 00:08:53,519 --> 00:09:04,000 another letter from Orangetown Plan Review Consultant Paul Daskki signed uh 91 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:11,279 August 2nd, 2026 with three comments. Orangetown drainage consultant Kier 92 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Engineering uh dated August 2nd, 2026 with four comments. 93 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:20,080 » It's been it's been Excuse me. >> There was a second letter from uh 94 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,320 » the consultant. >> I have another one coming. Okay. I have 95 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:32,000 another letter from Orangetown Drainage Consultant Cier dated August 11th. 96 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:36,240 Uh which says not approved. 12 comments. I have a letter from Rockland County 97 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:42,480 Department of Planning dated August 11th. 12 comments. I have an email from 98 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:48,720 Orange and Rockland Alpha Gaddy dated August 1st. conflict. I have a referral 99 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:56,080 sheet from Rockland County Department of Planning dated July 13, 2026. Comments 100 00:09:52,880 --> 00:10:01,680 attached. I have a consent lead agent letter from Rocklin County Planning 101 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:10,160 dated July 23rd. The consent. I have a short EAF form 102 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:14,720 uh by the owner dated uh April 6, 2025. And I have project narrative provided by 103 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Mr. Brener at the Did you read the August 20th letter from 104 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,800 the consultant? I sure can. 105 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:37,680 Okay, this is um August 20th from K August 106 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:42,320 20th, 2026 Ker engineering. The above comments represented by our 107 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:47,440 professional opinion and judgment but may not necessarily in all cases reflect 108 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:52,160 the opinion of the planning board. Overall, the proposed storm water 109 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:57,760 management plan meets the intent of the regulations and therefore we recommend 110 00:10:54,959 --> 00:11:01,760 that the coning 30 corporate LLC site plan be approved for drainage sub to the 111 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:06,680 above project comments of which there are four. 112 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,680 » Okay. Thank you, sir. 113 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:18,160 Any questions or comments? >> Yeah, I'm looking at 114 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:22,320 looking at your landscape plan. Um, down towards towards the end of the 115 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:25,920 driveway, it looks like you're going to put some 116 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:29,480 trees in around that turnaround and down towards the back. 117 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:34,519 » What kind of trees are there? I believe we have sele 118 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:41,519 comments for that. >> Are they green giant after biting? 119 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:46,880 » Yeah, the giant ones that supposed to be de resistant. 120 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:51,519 » Depends on how hungry they are. >> I know. 121 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:57,279 Um >> All right. So, and then you have in the 122 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:02,480 um the back corner on the left hand side of the uh of the plan uh existing trees 123 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,920 to remain all those other trees are going to come out. 124 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:10,959 » Yes, there be impacted by construction. Yes. 125 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Some of which are right. I'm sorry I hit my microphone. Oh, here 126 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:21,440 it is. >> What about the trees like down um down 127 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:24,000 on the um on the property line there? >> Uh there are a few that would be 128 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:30,279 impacted that we're going to be replanting in the same zone 129 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,279 » uh just due to grading conflicts, 130 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,959 » but you're not you should be showing that on your on the 131 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,440 » They're exed out. The ones that are being taken out. 132 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:43,839 » The ones that are taken out. But are you going to replace any 133 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:47,040 in the back there? Um at this time we don't have anything proposed directly 134 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,880 behind the building. Uh most of those that are within the building envelope 135 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:54,160 are being removed but the ones that are outside the envelope are being 136 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:59,120 protected. >> Okay. 137 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:04,880 » I don't have any further right now. >> Questions comments. 138 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:10,560 » Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um the deme's uh comments of August 20th 139 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:15,200 1st of 2026. Uh the first comment it talks about the 140 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,920 difference between the underground storage system and the above ground 141 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:25,600 storage system and it was uh Bruce Peters suggested that all proposed storm 142 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:29,040 water management facilities shall be uh the above ground system. What is the 143 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:31,920 rationale that you're putting it underground? 144 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:37,279 » So there's there's I don't know if you can hear me. Um so there's a few 145 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:41,040 different rationale for um deciding on the above ground or below ground 146 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,680 infrastructure. Uh the number one component would be how much disturbance 147 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:49,519 is required to do the above ground uh which is one detriment uh for this 148 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,880 project considering the constraints to the property line where the buildings 149 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:59,680 are located existing buildings are located. Um 150 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:02,959 there's also other considerations about um the the maintenance and the 151 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:06,560 landscaping that are imposed as a because of the above ground 152 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:11,040 infrastructure. The ease for the underground infrastructure is that it's 153 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:15,600 protected from the elements. Um it's easy it's relatively easy to maintain uh 154 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:22,000 and it is allowable per the New York State DEEC manual. So um although it is 155 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:25,839 costly to install the future benefits usually outweigh the benefits of the 156 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:29,519 above ground facilities. However above ground facilities do have their merits. 157 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,079 Uh but in this instance because of the constraints to the property line it's 158 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:37,480 one thing that we took into consideration. 159 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,480 » Sure. 160 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Secondbody 161 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:55,800 to speak on project. 162 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,639 » Motion to close public portion. Second. Second, please. 163 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:12,480 » Second. >> All in favor? Any opposed? None. Okay. 164 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:15,199 » Motion for lead agent. Motion for lead agency. 165 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,440 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 166 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:23,120 » All in favor? >> I none. Okay. Motion for neg. 167 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:25,760 » Motion for Nick Deck. >> Second. 168 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,120 » Second. All favor. >> I. 169 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:32,399 » Any opposed? None. >> I think the biggest thing is is the um 170 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:37,440 the underground. And I think that you worked it out, right? Um a motion for 171 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:41,199 final with conditions. >> Yes, Mr. Burn. 172 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:44,720 » I don't think so. I think we have to go to zoning board. 173 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,639 » I think we have to go to zoning board. So if you give us final subject to 174 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:54,720 zoning board. >> Okay. Motion for final uh subject to 175 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:58,880 final approval from zoning board. >> Motion. Are 176 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:01,040 » we all right with that? >> Okay. 177 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:06,639 » Thank you. Thank you. >> Motion. Motion for final subject to 178 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:12,399 conditions and zoning board. >> Zoning board's approval. 179 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:20,639 Uh, let me go through the conditions. Um, Orangetown ZBA, August 11th, 15 180 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:28,480 comments. Orangetown DME, Bruce Peters, August 21st, 17 comments. Orangetown 181 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:34,800 Fire, uh, July 31st, no comments. Orangetown Planning Consultant, Paul 182 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:39,360 Gazki, August 2nd, three comments. Orangetown drainage consultant Ker 183 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:46,000 engineering first of two letters August 2nd approved 184 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:52,720 four comments. Um, Orangetown James Consulting College Engineering. Uh, 185 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:56,800 August 11th, not approved. 12 comments. Rocker County August 20th. What the 186 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,959 second? >> Okay, I think it back was August 20th. 187 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:06,400 The first one, the uh, Orangetown Drainage Consultant, Ker Engineering, 188 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:11,600 » the approval letter was on August 20th. Can't be before the ground. Okay, fine. 189 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:20,120 Thank you. Uh, Rockham County Department of Planning, August 11th. comments 190 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,120 and that's it. 191 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:30,080 » I don't see any any problems. 192 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,000 I think I think we're good. >> Okay. Do I have a second? 193 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,720 » Second. >> All in favor? 194 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:40,360 » Opposed? >> Thank you. Thank you. 195 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:48,372 » I don't know. You guys are being too good tonight. What's going on? 196 00:17:46,352 --> 00:17:48,372 [laughter] 197 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:09,039 It's all yours. >> Thank you, sir. 198 00:18:05,679 --> 00:18:15,799 » I'll be back. >> Peter Stay, SK AE, uh 15 Corporate 199 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,799 Drive, Orangeburg. 200 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:19,799 » Yes. 201 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:37,720 So, I apologize for the site plan mixup last time, but I'm back. 202 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,160 » We're all set. 203 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:52,039 August 204 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:02,360 21st comy 30th no comments. 205 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,080 I'm sorry, 2026. 206 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,640 » I have nothing right now. >> Thank you. 207 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:47,440 » Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. public. The short environmental assessment form 208 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:52,880 dated uh May 20th to 26 states new rooftop HVAC units and chillers. Your 209 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:58,559 plan page one submitted for the meeting shows two new chillers on the ground 210 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,960 level southeast side of the building. Uh where are the chillers going to be on 211 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,760 the roof or on the >> No, the chillers are on the side. 212 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,200 There's a rooftop unit just on top of the loading dock. A small 213 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:11,120 » message rooftop unit. >> It's added then. It's it's it's being 214 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,160 added and it's it's actually shown on all the mechanical plans. 215 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:18,320 » Okay. All right. But this is the conflict in the state. All right. So 216 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:22,200 there's two on the ground and one above. >> Correct. 217 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,200 » Okay. 218 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,159 » Okay. That's the only question I have now. Thank you. 219 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,280 Motion open public portion. >> Do I have a second? 220 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,720 » Second. >> All in favor? 221 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,799 » I >> I 222 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:53,120 » opposed. Okay. Anybody from the public wish to speak on his project? 223 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,000 One more time. Anybody from the public wish to speak on his project? Hearing 224 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,480 none. Motion to close. >> Motion to close. Public motion. 225 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,360 » Second. >> Second. 226 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:05,600 » All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Um, >> got to read 227 00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:10,559 » motion for lead agent. >> Did we do that already? 228 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:13,520 » Did we do lead? I don't know if we did. >> All right. Okay. 229 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,960 » Motion for motion for lead agency. >> Second. 230 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400 » Second. >> All in favor? 231 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:21,120 » I >> oppose. 232 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,600 Um, motion for neg. >> Motion for neg. 233 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,440 » Second. >> Second. 234 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:30,000 » All in favor? >> Any oppose? None. [clears throat] Motion 235 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:34,159 for final conditions. Do we have 236 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,400 » Okay. Does he still have to go to Aapore or 237 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,840 » I don't think this is the one. >> Huh? 238 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,559 » The Greek churches. >> No, no. There's a 239 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:48,320 » Do they have to go to Aore? >> No. No. There's a comment, I think. 240 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,640 » Yeah. Uh, building department number two, aorean review and approval may be 241 00:21:51,600 --> 00:22:00,559 necessary. So, we can >> we can we can wave it. 242 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,440 We can wave it. >> Okay. Motion to wave. 243 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,799 » Uh I went to the IC for performance already. That was already approved. Uh 244 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:20,400 it's been approved for two or three months. I don't know what 245 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:24,360 what setbacks. I'm I'm not violating any that I have anything that I need. 246 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:31,120 » They're actually They're actually further than the existing mechanical 247 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:37,000 equipment outside. But that's >> would the the new generator be a 248 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,000 sideyard problem? 249 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:42,320 » Rick, go at the top where the generator is there. What's that? I think it looks 250 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,520 like 46 ft. >> 46. 251 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,919 » I think you're required 50, isn't it? Required 50. 252 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:54,400 » Can we make that? >> I don't know. Can we make that a 253 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:58,240 condition? >> Well, I can't. And I'm not going to I'm 254 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,039 going to have to go to if needed to go to zoning then for variance. 255 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,919 » No, no, no. I'm just saying I'm trying to avoid you coming back. 256 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,679 » Is there a total sideyard? >> There may be a total sideyard besides 257 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,840 the >> If there's a total sideyard, I don't 258 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,159 think >> Well, the generator is the only one 259 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:20,080 that's encroaching. That's a 46 ft. Everything else there is fine. 260 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:25,840 » What's your total sideyard on the other side? Is is it going to need a variance 261 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:29,440 » for total also? total side yard. He go back down again, Rick. 262 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,679 » Right here. He's got >> uh 132 ft 263 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:39,440 » or close to it. >> Right there. 132 ft. But that it goes 264 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,919 in. But he's got only 46 here. And that's the problem. 265 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,760 » Yeah. But what I'm saying is total sideyard both sides. 266 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,320 » Yeah. Both sides of the building >> is it, you know, like 267 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:54,960 » But I think on the other side I think he's he's fine because it's got to got 268 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:59,600 to existing. They got to be added >> when you add them. 269 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:07,039 If it's a total sideyard of like let's say 200 feet 270 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:10,000 » and he's got 150 on one side he's got or 46 it make whatever makes up 200 feet 271 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,440 should >> total side 200 feet 272 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:19,440 and so you have >> I don't know is that is that is that 273 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:24,480 what the zoning is 100 he's got 102 there 274 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:28,080 » 30 the rear setback is 100 ft so you have 103 to the building and the 275 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,360 chillers If you got variances for the other 276 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,919 chillers, you still have to get a variance for this. 277 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,600 » So that's that's what it is. And what they're saying is they're going to give 278 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:40,320 you final and let you go with the condition that you get the zoning 279 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,320 approval, which will save you a big step. 280 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,799 » Sure. And I'm happy to do it. I guess you know I rely on engineers and when 281 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:50,240 when the engineers gave me they how they said it to me was the setback is to the 282 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:56,120 building, not to actually outdoor equipment that supports the building. 283 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:56,120 But that's obviously incorrect. So, 284 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:03,880 so setbacks are actually any piece of equipment that goes on a on a piece of 285 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,880 That's interesting. 286 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:13,279 » I know. Me, too. I don't want to see if you don't have to come back. I don't 287 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:18,200 want to see you come back. >> It's It's up to Department right now. 288 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,840 » I know we don't like doing it because we're kind of almost setting a 289 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:27,480 precedent. But we're talking 290 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,960 » So can I understand? 291 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,799 » Can I can I ask a question? I just I really genuinely want to learn. So the 292 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:49,360 generator we're saying has to be 50 feet from the property line. It's only 46. 293 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,679 Right. >> The chillers have to be 100 ft. Why 294 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,880 wouldn't they play the same that they only had to be 50 feet? 295 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:01,320 » And what I don't understand, Rick, can you go down to the bottom where the 296 00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:01,320 chillers are? 297 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:05,720 Slide it over a little bit. 298 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,919 Okay. These are the new two new chillers. 299 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,240 » Yes. >> These are inside of what's here. This is 300 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,240 existing. 301 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,159 So why does he need a varian those two chills. I think the only thing he needs 302 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,320 variance for is to generate. So the way the laws 303 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,919 increase 304 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:42,039 no I understand I just the rationality being that these two are inside of what 305 00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:42,039 he already what's existing 306 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,760 » well can I I just want to understand that so the setback for a generator is 307 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:55,559 only 50 ft but the chiller is 100 ft why is the chiller different than the 308 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,559 generator I would commercial 309 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,960 » but I'm trying to understand if you're talking about outdoor you know equipment 310 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:08,679 that goes outside to support the building is it does it vary by the type 311 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,679 of equipment 312 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:15,880 » and a chiller is not an appliance. >> Okay. 313 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:24,520 What's the distance on the other side? >> 46 314 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,559 technically 315 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:46,679 it's commercial all the way both sides of property. 316 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:46,679 residential, which is understandable. 317 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:20,559 » The only that we can do to possibly move this along to ask 318 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:25,120 for those two right so you don't have to go 319 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:30,039 back on a calendar that's what I'm trying to do I was trying to avoid that 320 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,039 if possible 321 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:46,679 » but now does he have preliminary does he have to go on the 322 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,679 calendar rotation versus contin 323 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,480 » I'm >> all right. 324 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:00,559 » I'm I'm I'm determined to get this finished no matter how long it takes. 325 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,880 » The board's trying to help you. The board's trying to help you. 326 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,960 » Yeah, I get it. No, I get it. >> You know 327 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:14,960 that we can do ask to 328 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:17,039 » yeah I would ask is there any reason 329 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,120 » wouldn't give him final just with the condition he gets the variance so he 330 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:22,240 doesn't have to come back >> no this is what we're trying 331 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:24,880 » yeah I would say let's let's go forward with that 332 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:30,320 » but again I had made the comment are we setting precedent because we discussed 333 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,640 this other applications where you know should we and then we're 334 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,000 worried about setting precedent >> well usually we look at the degree of 335 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,360 variance I mean these are fairly minor varianes I I don't think you'll have any 336 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,960 trouble getting and and that's why we we do this. I think it's a good precedent 337 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,640 for that for that matter. But there are other things where there are larger 338 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:52,640 variances and you know then we have them come back. 339 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:59,120 » All right. I'd like to have a motion for final with 340 00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:02,320 a condition that the applicant gets from ZBA. 341 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,720 » Okay. >> Mr. Chairman, I would just say subject 342 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:12,159 to the ZBA approval because um Phrasing it as a condition is 343 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,760 um technically not right. I would say subject to ZBA approval with all the 344 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,320 other conditions that you're going to talk about. 345 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,720 » The rest of the conditions, but it's subject to ZBA's approval. 346 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:23,919 » Yes. >> No question about it. Okay. You want to 347 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:28,399 include and 348 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:32,320 Okay. Uh first thing is a motion to waiver um a 349 00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:33,919 » motion to wave Aore. >> Okay. Second. 350 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,840 » Second. >> All favor. 351 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:44,640 » Any opposed? None. Okay. Motion for final with condition which include that 352 00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:50,640 the applicant gets a final from ZBA for the two variances that are required 353 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:55,279 » along with other conditions >> subject to 354 00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:02,399 » subject to ZBA approval. Any other conditions are Orangetown DBA Rick 355 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:10,080 Oliver August 5th nine comments. Orangetown DME Bruce Peters August 21st 356 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:13,840 one comment. Orangetown Fire July 31st zero comments. 357 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:19,159 Orangetown Planner Review Consultant Paul Gazi August 2nd two comments. 358 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,880 » Huh? >> I thought we had that. 359 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960 Okay. 360 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,480 » CBA approval. >> CBA approval. 361 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:51,440 » Okay. Okay. I have a letter from Orangetown 362 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:57,679 ZBME. Yeah. Rick Oliver, August 5th, nine 363 00:31:53,919 --> 00:32:04,640 comments. Uh Orangetown DME Bruce August 21st, one comment. Orangetown 364 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:09,600 Fire, uh July 31st, zero comments. Orangetown Planning Review, Paul DeAski. 365 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:14,720 August 2nd, two comments. Orangetown drainage consultant, Kier Engineering, 366 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,399 approval, one comment. Okay. Do I have a second? 367 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,000 » Second. >> All in favor? 368 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000 » Oppos? 369 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:32,519 Okay. Uh Opposition 541. Okay, 370 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,960 you have a half an approval. >> Closer. I'm getting there. 371 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,200 » We'll just keep trying. So, thank you. I really appreciate it. 372 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:45,039 » All right. Thank you very much. >> Yep. 373 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:51,000 » Okay. Next one is 374 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Greek Orthodox Church. 375 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:11,200 tell us all your names, please. >> Sure. 376 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:20,559 » Hi, Justin Ferzano. College engineering on behalf of the applicant. 377 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:25,519 » Sure. F E R R A Z A N O. Father Michael Palamera, the pastor of 378 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:31,640 St. Constantine and Helen Greek Orthodox Church. P A L A M A R A 379 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:39,559 » Robert Noella N O C L L Act with SNS Architects and Engineers. 380 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:47,039 » Okay, gentlemen, what can I do to you for? 381 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:52,080 » Uh, hi. So, um, we were here before the board about a month ago. Mhm. 382 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:56,399 » Um we were received a drainage memo right before the hearing. We have since 383 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:02,320 addressed that. We appreciate uh Audrey's help on expediting that for us. 384 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:06,880 But on uh the 12th of August, we received that approval. So um what we 385 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:13,679 wanted to do, what we hope to do tonight is give a brief uh uh explanation of the 386 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:18,159 building by our architects and then we're hoping to move forward with 387 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,679 approvals if the board sees fit. Yes, sir. 388 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:26,079 » Excuse me. [clears throat] Good evening. Um, I just briefly want to run through 389 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:30,000 the uh expansion of the building. It's an expansion to an existing Greek or 390 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:36,480 Greek Orthodox church for the youth and education community center. Uh, the main 391 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:41,119 level, which is the uh street grade. Uh the the expansion includes a parish 392 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:45,520 priest's office, administrative office, parish council room, a conference room, 393 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:50,720 and an event space with warming kitchen for parish events such as lectures or or 394 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:56,320 large meetings. Uh the lower level will be used to house the Sunday catechism 395 00:34:53,919 --> 00:35:01,680 classrooms. There'll be four of those. A youth multi-purpose room, two nursery 396 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:07,760 rooms, and the uh supported uh toilets and uh facilities for such events. 397 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:12,800 Uh the overall intent is to the addition to match the existing architectural 398 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:19,520 features. It's a modern Greek Orthodox church design. Very simple white ephus 399 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:24,880 and stucco um cladded building with some blue coping accents at the roof line and 400 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,480 a quarry stone water table which is the base around the perimeter of the 401 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:33,119 building. Um and there'll be arched windows that are kind of replicated 402 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,720 throughout the facility. Um I do have a colored elevation Yeah. 403 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:41,280 » Can we Sorry. Can we share the architecture while he's talking? This is 404 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,320 a civil site plans. He's explaining the architecture. Just want to make sure 405 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,680 that's up on the board. >> Yeah. Do we have that? 406 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160 » They don't have to I don't believe they have the colored. They have the floor 407 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,839 plans, but I have a I have a new colored elevation. 408 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:56,640 » Do you mind if you do you mind if he shows what he's explaining? Thanks. 409 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,680 » So, I kind of just kind of just ran through the plan and then started 410 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:08,000 talking about the exterior design. So you can see here on this uh drawing, 411 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:13,119 we're going to call it D7. The far left side of the plan is the 412 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:18,400 existing church. Um you can see with the existing arches, 413 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:23,680 the white ephus/ stucco finish and some blue coping. Um to area to the right, 414 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,359 the lower lower building, that's the expansion. And so again, we've we've 415 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:33,200 mimicked the architectural features uh to be consistent throughout the project 416 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:37,760 and we've put in a stone base on the new exhibition, but adding we're adding that 417 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:42,560 to the existing facility as well. So now you've got one big cohesive um facility 418 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,560 that kind of blends seamlessly with each other. 419 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,520 Do you want to see the Do you want the floor plan up to kind of walk through it 420 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,400 or Okay. >> Kind of interested in the outside. 421 00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:04,400 » Mhm. >> I think we had an issue on the last 422 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:10,079 meeting where I think the attorney was here was 423 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:14,079 looking to wack but at that time we couldn't because we didn't have 424 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,720 that's what we're looking for. >> Okay. 425 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,880 » So, yeah. gave us an idea what's going on. 426 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,599 » Correct. So, last time we wanted all the approvals and and the waiver and we were 427 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,320 deficient of that one drainage memo which we're now complete and 428 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:33,599 » hopefully >> let me go through the consultant report. 429 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:42,240 » Absolutely. >> Okay. I have a letter from um Orangetown 430 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:46,400 OP OPZ uh Rick Oliver August 5th 16 comments 431 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:53,599 DME Bruce August 21st 20 comments 432 00:37:50,160 --> 00:38:00,480 drainage consultant Samson dated uh August 21st it's approved with four 433 00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:05,119 comments I have a short referred by uh Jesse Copler 434 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:11,920 July 29th and I have a response letter prepared by 435 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:15,400 Kier Engineering July 30th. Okay. Any questions or comments? 436 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:23,359 here. There was a question about the site to 437 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:27,520 uh the Palisad Parkway and I noticed that I think on one of the plants you 438 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:33,000 you put a note up there you're putting up a fence in that back area to uh 439 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:39,440 » there's an existing fence and I believe we decided to install privacy slats to 440 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,640 make it completely solid. >> Okay. to block any um 441 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,599 » along the along the >> along the new parking spaces. Yeah, 442 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,960 that's that's that label right there that you could see up privacy slats. So 443 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,200 that that gets installed onto the chain link onto the onto the fence and that 444 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,800 prevents any uh headlights from shining through. 445 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,800 » And that's going to how long is that going to be? 446 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,640 » The entire run of the new parking spaces where those where 447 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,839 » just where the parking >> where the where the two arrows Yeah. 448 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:11,200 where the two arrows are pointing. That's the start and finish 449 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,480 » along along the palisades. >> Right here, the headlights, 450 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,400 » right? Yeah. >> Okay. 451 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,320 » So, on the rendering, >> on the rendering that you had of the 452 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:25,920 front of the building, where is the second story on here? 453 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:31,680 » It looks like all one story, correct? Yeah. So, so the second the upper level, 454 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,240 if you will, is is at grade. So from if you're standing on the main street 455 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,480 looking towards the building, you're looking at the upper level. The 456 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:42,720 classrooms are it drops down because the property drops off to the back. So the 457 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,560 the lower level is really a kind of a walk out if you want to describe it. 458 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:48,560 » Okay. All right. I have nothing further right now. 459 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:53,520 » My question is >> Yes. Do you have a rendering of the rear 460 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:57,839 of the building? >> We have the We do not have a colored 461 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,280 rendering. We have the elevations that were previously 462 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,680 » you have a drawing of the rear of the building. 463 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680 » Yeah. 464 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:44,480 Okay. Sorry. Yeah. So, elevation uh sheet D6 on the original sub. 465 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:46,800 » All right. Now, what's the is the architecture on the outside similar to 466 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,680 the front? >> Continuous around all all sides of the 467 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,720 building. And you're going to have the uh brick along the bottom in the back as 468 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,280 as well as the front. >> Correct. You have Y. 469 00:40:53,760 --> 00:41:04,800 » Okay. Um now when it goes out to uh the fence, you're putting in slats, right? 470 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:09,000 » What what's the color of the slats? >> I said green, but I don't know. 471 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:20,480 » I think I think we discuss we discussed green, but if there's a preference, I 472 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:27,040 think they have multitude of options. >> Would you? Okay. Does that mean we're 473 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:32,960 voting on the um on the architecture and the the landscaping as in in lie of 474 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:37,359 sending it to Akabore. Uh that's why we've had renderings. Now 475 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:44,560 on the landscape plan, I was looking at that [clears throat] and 476 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:49,839 uh one of the questions I'm look looking at the landscaping plan 477 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:54,960 is what plantings are we putting in wall? All we doing is putting the slab 478 00:41:52,640 --> 00:42:01,000 plant are we planting anything back there in addition? 479 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,000 » I don't think so. 480 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:06,800 » No, we didn't want to cover the the stone. Um we're probably gonna have um 481 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:11,359 less >> he's asking by the by the privacy 482 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,359 » slats the fence along. >> No I think I think it was contemplated 483 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:19,359 to try and block it with vegetation but then we ultimately decided that the 484 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:24,560 privacy slats are the most efficient way to block the light because if you do all 485 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,560 if you do shrubs and hedges you can you can do that but some light might spill 486 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,760 through. This is going to this is going to completely block the headlights. 487 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:38,560 » Okay. along the front. Uh >> there's there is landscaping proposed um 488 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:43,359 along the along the front facade there, >> right? Are you talking about um most of 489 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,720 it's going to be the >> shrubs shrubs, ground cover and one 490 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:52,160 ornamental tree? >> Okay. The um variegated lily turf. Is 491 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:57,680 that the one that's going to be going? >> The lily turf is ground cover. That's 492 00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:03,520 that's ground cover. And then there's some evergreen shrubs. And then there's 493 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:07,599 a one there's one uh Japanese maple tree >> that ground cover that's going all the 494 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,720 way along the front on the street line along the front by the of the building 495 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:16,160 by the parking. >> Yeah. 496 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:18,400 » So it's it's annotated as a >> Lim. 497 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:22,160 » Yeah. >> And you could see it's called out right 498 00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:26,240 kind of right in the front of the >> Right. You have you have it along the 499 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:30,560 street line. You have it along the uh the parking areas. They have it along 500 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:34,000 the back fence also. That's what I'm looking at. There's 67 501 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:37,000 of them. Okay. 502 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,040 Okay. 503 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,920 Lighting plan. You're not proposing any new lighting? 504 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,800 » No. >> Okay. So, the current lighting is 505 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,760 sufficient. >> We we upgraded like three years ago. Our 506 00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:00,720 our parking lot. So it's sufficient. Yes. 507 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,480 All right. Now, um 508 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:20,720 the ADA parking uh on the reply from uh Kalas, it says 509 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:27,200 uh discuss deter uh discuss and determine the 510 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:34,800 location of the ADA uh required spots for the zoning officer. 511 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:42,319 No, that's that's that's for us because that's not a zoning issue. That's a 512 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:45,520 thing. I think the the concern was that you have one, two, three, four. You have 513 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,240 five spots, but it's on the other side of the driveway. 514 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,480 » Mhm. >> Am I correct? 515 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:58,240 » Yeah. So the the ADA parking spaces have to by law be the most accessible 516 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:03,119 uh close to the means of >> but it's a dangerous situation. They got 517 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:09,119 to cross the uh the roadway there. Uh now originally in your previous plans 518 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:14,640 right next to the porch you had two ADA spots there. 519 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,400 You also had uh 520 00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:22,240 I see around the others these two >> right here. Those were ADA spots in the 521 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:27,839 in the old building. Was there a reason why they were changed and no longer ADA 522 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:32,319 compliant spots? >> Jesse said that he you know he was a 523 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:37,319 striping thing that we could just stripe it that way and he would he would 524 00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:37,319 comply. 525 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:42,079 » We stripe those as ADA. No issue striping what um what was 526 00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,480 requested. >> We can make those ADA if that's a 527 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:48,240 concern. Yeah. >> Okay. So those would now become ADA 528 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,760 spots. >> Yeah. Um it would become one ADA spot in 529 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,839 a in a drop off striping. >> Okay. 530 00:45:55,839 --> 00:46:03,359 » You need eight feet for each 8 foot for the space, 8 foot for the drop. Now, um 531 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:08,560 because the uh looking at where you have the ADA parking, those spots are not too 532 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,480 they're not large enough. >> I see that. 533 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:18,240 » What I'm um suggesting was just looking at it, you have another ADA spot as you 534 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:23,040 go by the electrical box. >> Mhm. I see that. 535 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:27,440 » Now, we have one spot there. Uh there's no sidewalk there. 536 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:31,200 » There is there appears to be next to the drop off. You're talking about the ADA 537 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,760 spot that's by itself with the striping next to it. 538 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:37,920 » Um, not by the p the porch. No, not the por. 539 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,119 Oh, yeah. I'm talking about that spot there. 540 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,200 » What about this one? Right. >> Yeah. 541 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,200 » So, this this looks like a sidewalk right here. 542 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,520 » Sidewalk. This starts right at the spot there. 543 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,079 » So, you drop off, you get out in the striped area, and you have direct access 544 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,760 to the sidewalk that brings you around. Um 545 00:46:51,599 --> 00:47:01,359 was wouldn't it be well it's a recommendation to uh move the ADA spots 546 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:05,440 over to this location and put in a a sidewalk there so they could comply 547 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:10,240 without going out to the street. >> This is this is sidewalk here. 548 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:13,520 » Yeah. No, no talking right next to next to the one that they have 549 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,640 there. So >> thank you. 550 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:23,359 Other words, right now you have one ADA spot here, right? 551 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:27,280 » Would it be possible to extend the sidewalk out and put all your ADA spots 552 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,680 here? >> This way, nobody has to cross the 553 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,200 street. >> These spots could become regular spots. 554 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,359 » It depends. That looks a little steep there. 555 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,880 » You see topography, but >> Yeah, they're most likely they're 556 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,359 located where they are because that's a nice flat area of the parking. 557 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,520 » Yeah, but it's >> right there. But it's it doesn't uh 558 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:53,440 it's not as safe as it should be. There's no sidewalk there 559 00:47:51,200 --> 00:48:00,000 » on the bottom on the bottom by the uh the loop um closer to the palisafes. Um 560 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,280 this is where most of um our elderly park 561 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,160 » back here >> back. Yeah. Well, those are those are 562 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,960 new spots, but do you see the three little spots um opposite them 563 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,480 » towards the new building to the right? >> To the right. 564 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,720 » The back of the building. >> There's a circle. 565 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,960 » Come over towards the right. Yeah, those >> those um because we have the elevator, 566 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:21,680 most come in through that um through that those entrances actually right 567 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,440 there and it's it's very lightly trafficked anyway. 568 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,280 » So, >> is there is there a sideway access right 569 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,960 there that we can stripe the middle and make that two ADA spaces? 570 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,960 » They could share the stripe in the middle. 571 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,119 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 572 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:38,480 » Like that idea. >> That's a nice flat area. We could do 573 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:44,680 that. I think that's a better solution. And that way you'll give that way we'll 574 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,680 have access to the park. 575 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:50,319 That way if someone makes their way down there by accident, 576 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:54,160 they still have an opportunity to have accessible entry. 577 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,160 » They said become two ADAs there. >> Yeah. 578 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:01,520 » What was the uh I forget the requirement. Was it six or eight spots? 579 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:04,839 » I believe six. >> So one 580 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,880 » that's four. You just need two more spots. 581 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:20,960 » You put them next to that one that's by itself and just extend the uh sidewalk. 582 00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:23,839 » Yeah. They're saying though, that's where 583 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,119 » Well, >> well, I'm sorry. Here. I think I think I 584 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:31,839 have a solution. If if you >> Yeah. Oh, go back. Okay. 585 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:37,920 So if I was if I was making this ADA compliant, what I would do, 586 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,160 sorry, is I would stripe this. >> Yes. 587 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:45,040 » One, two. >> This stays three. And then I would 588 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:48,079 stripe this one and this one. I have four, five, six. 589 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:53,040 » Well, no. If you use those other two spots next to the porch. 590 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,400 » Well, yeah. Or or Yeah. Or or we could also put 591 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,680 » one there. >> Have seven. We could do seven then. 592 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,240 If you put two up there, what about putting two in here? You still have the 593 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,720 uh >> No, I I don't think there's a 594 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,920 » I don't know. >> There's a there's a little 595 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:13,280 » You'd have to walk around. That would be on the right. On the right, they could 596 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,599 access it relatively easy. >> Walk all the way up here then to get all 597 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,839 the way. >> You see those stairs there? 598 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,880 » All the way to the right um is a relatively easy access, especially with 599 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:29,359 the new building that's going to be fixed up um along the road. um will be 600 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:34,000 you know much more accessible but we didn't have that planned as ADA but it 601 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:37,040 could be >> what you talking about that lowest that 602 00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:42,400 lower level down there >> so let's do this here let's do this 603 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:46,319 we'll do stripe this and stripe this one that gives us one two three we have four 604 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,280 » right >> we'll do one here with a stripe and then 605 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,920 we'll do six >> you could do two up there in that spot 606 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,640 at the back >> we can but we don't need to we need six 607 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,240 All right. So, we're going to do one, two, three, four, five. 608 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:03,359 » That have to cross the street to >> Well, one less one less here. 609 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:05,760 » Yeah. So, you have two up there. >> Okay. One we have there. 610 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,640 » Three. >> You have one there. That's four. So, you 611 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:13,160 need two there. >> Yeah, I think that works. 612 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,480 » I just mark it up for you. 613 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,520 I'll leave it here. >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 614 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,440 » Okay. >> Yeah. If I can add as a legal adviser as 615 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:41,359 well, I mean, if you're going to grant final, you need to see it and approve as 616 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:45,280 modified. So, >> before they vote, mark up something 617 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,720 reflecting everything that was just said. Absolutely. Because I think the 618 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,640 people taking notes here, you're saying there, there there's 619 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,680 taking notes. I know. >> I I'll mark it up and then he can 620 00:51:54,240 --> 00:52:00,720 » Let's have something marked up and you vote on what's marked up. 621 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:04,079 » Okay. So the the two in the back, there's three spots there now. That 622 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,359 would be made two spots. Correct. >> Correct. 623 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:12,480 » Then the next one would be you still leave the one where it was. The one next 624 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,359 to the porch would become one spot. >> Correct. 625 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,680 » Correct. >> Two by itself would become one. 626 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:25,240 » Right. So that's four spots. And then you'd put two on the other where you 627 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:25,240 have the five spots. Now you make 2 ADA. 628 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,319 That will give us six. 629 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,839 » Today is >> Let's just make sure. Let me add middle 630 00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,400 laser just for a second. >> Of course. 631 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,640 » So, what we're talking about is this is going to become two 632 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,680 » striping. This is going to become one with striping, right? 633 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,960 » This is going to become one. That'll stay. That'll stay the way it is. 634 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,960 » This is going to become two striping, >> right? 635 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,119 » Just signed it. >> One, one, two, two. 636 00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:29,559 » That's it. >> Okay. Okay. It sounds good. 637 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,559 » Love it. Pass it on down. 638 00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:40,559 Um, thank you. That's all the questions I have at this time. 639 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,880 » Thank you, sir. >> Questions? 640 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:49,280 » Can I see the uh the rendering? I was just looking at the current 641 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:54,559 picture of the structure right now. So, it's the it's currently white and has 642 00:53:51,839 --> 00:54:00,240 blue, I guess, accents. The facade. >> You said something about stone. 643 00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:03,040 » Okay. All right. So the the facade what it is currently now the new structure is 644 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,240 going to have the same coloring. It's going to look like it's all inclusive 645 00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:10,000 all same color same build. It's going to wrap around all the way. 646 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:14,280 » Yep. The only thing that the existing building tower 647 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,760 off 648 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:30,079 » and it'll be consistent on all four. >> All right. Thank you. 649 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:33,760 M. >> Yeah. And so you mentioned the coping 650 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:37,920 would be in blue. >> Yeah. So at the at the top of the roof, 651 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:41,119 the metal coping that's one that's kind of a kind of Greek blue, if you will. 652 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:44,240 » Like a real blue. >> Yeah. Blue. 653 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:50,160 » Yeah. And uh the doors are going to match existing. What do you 654 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:54,000 » Yeah, these are these are would be >> Yeah, we we already have the blue coping 655 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:58,720 on the current building, so it's to match. And the doors are wood doors with 656 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,079 like insets like this. It doesn't show it there, but they're they're like this. 657 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:06,880 » They'll be raised panel >> raised panel to match existing. And then 658 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:10,000 the the window trim, the mullions are >> there'll be a clear anodiz which is kind 659 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,000 of a matte silver. >> Okay. 660 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,920 » We currently have it on um and it's just going to m and the 661 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:21,280 sides of the church it'll just match those. 662 00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:25,359 » And on the rear elevations, the same >> we same. You're gonna continue the same 663 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,839 the same treatment on all sides. It's not like 664 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:32,000 » not just the back is you know plywood or what? 665 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,720 » Yeah. No, I just think because if we're waving aore if we are potentially waving 666 00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:41,119 a we might as well ask theore question. >> That's a great question. 667 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:45,119 » And then the landscape I understand the you're going to keep it a spare 668 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,160 landscaping just to >> allow the stone and the 669 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:54,720 » building >> stucco to sing. Um and so there's Not 670 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:59,200 really a landscape plan above and beyond what you were suggesting. 671 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,400 » Just a few shrubs. Yes. And keeping was there. 672 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,640 » Correct. >> This this was always like planned, 673 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,599 remember from like the building of the original structure. Yeah. 674 00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:11,839 » So that's why it kind of was even the lighting that we originally installed 675 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,040 with that parking was in mind with this eventually coming. 676 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,000 » So that's that's why. Well, it's a little bit it's about half the size we 677 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,760 planned, but >> And then the fence, you're not you're 678 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,400 not expanding the fence. It's just the existing fence that we're just getting 679 00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:29,040 the green slats >> slats in the slats. Yeah, correct. 680 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:34,559 » Yeah, I mean I think it looks great. Um, so I don't have any other question. 681 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:39,720 » Thank you. >> Yeah, 682 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:39,720 one of our founders 683 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,920 motion public >> motion to open public portion. 684 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,319 » Second. >> Second. 685 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:51,920 » All in favor? I. >> Anybody from the public wish to speak on 686 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:55,599 this? One more time. Anybody from the public 687 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,640 wish to speak on this? Hearing none. A motion to close. 688 00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:02,160 » Motion to close. >> Second. 689 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:06,040 » All in favor? >> Okay. Um, 690 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,240 a motion to um 691 00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:18,559 » I don't know the words to not let them go to aore motion to uh 692 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,599 » wave >> wave 693 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:24,880 » wave aore you have to ask for it. Do me a favor. We would like to wave back or 694 00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:29,760 request a waiver from Aabore. >> Motion to wave Abor 695 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:35,040 » because we have reviewed the plans. >> And approve the plans as given. Okay. Do 696 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,280 I have a second on that? >> Second. 697 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,119 » Okay. All favor. >> I. 698 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,440 » Any opposed? >> Okay. 699 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,599 » Motion to wave lighting plan. >> You probably should do SRA first. 700 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,160 » Add that. >> Do Sra first. 701 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,160 » Okay. >> We'll add that in. This is a condition 702 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:56,160 that they put in the new parking as corrected. 703 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:59,359 » Oh, no. The sufficient >> they're not adding any 704 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,319 » the change >> lighting. I'm talking about lighting. 705 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,400 » Oh, the lighting. That's Yeah. >> Okay. 706 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:12,000 » Did we do lead agency last time? >> Okay. 707 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,760 » Okay. Motion for lead agency. >> Second. 708 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160 » All in favor? I. >> Motion for neg. 709 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,599 » Motion for neg. >> Second. 710 00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:24,760 » Second. >> All in favor? I opposed none. Motion for 711 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,760 final with commissions. 712 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:34,960 » Okay. Uh we back so that's not an issue. Okay. The other concerns are okay. Town 713 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:41,119 of um building department Rick Oliver August 5th has 16 comments. 714 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:45,280 Town DMD Bruce Peters August 21st has 20 comments. 715 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:50,720 Orange Town Drainage Consultant Weston Samson 716 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:54,559 uh dated August 12th. It's approved with four comments 717 00:58:52,720 --> 00:59:00,480 and that's it. Okay, >> Mr. Chairman, I would also note that ADA 718 00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:06,400 parking as reflected on the markedup plan that was submitted at the meeting. 719 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:13,280 » Okay. The applicant has agreed to change the ADA parking as to the plan that he 720 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:21,200 drew up and submitted to building department as of this date. 721 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:28,720 » Okay. Any other there be a motion to accept the plan for the change in the 722 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:34,240 ADA parking as uh approved by the uh >> applicant and signed. 723 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:37,680 I don't know if we need that. But >> yeah, I made the motion. 724 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:41,559 » Okay. All 725 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:41,559 » favor. 726 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,920 » Right. >> Yeah. 727 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:54,000 » Okay. Motion to wave a lighting plan. The current lighting is sufficient to uh 728 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:57,839 light the uh area. >> Not being modified. 729 00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:02,160 » Not being modified. Second. >> All in favor? 730 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:07,520 » I none. Anything else? >> Okay. Do we have to make some statements 731 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:12,599 on the um what we're approving as far as the architectural details? 732 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,599 » So, 733 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,440 Okay. >> Yeah. As presented. 734 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:31,119 » Okay. Motion to accept the architectural details and landscaping as uh presented 735 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,720 by the applicant. >> Second. 736 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:36,319 » Second. >> All in favor? 737 01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:39,280 » I think we're done. Are we done? 738 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,040 » Anything else? >> So, Bruce Bruce motion final. 739 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,240 » I don't think any I don't think you second or voted on it. 740 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:49,240 Andy >> somebody. 741 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,280 » No, you jumped. >> Second. 742 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,799 » Do I have a second for? >> Okay. All favor? I. Any opposed? None. 743 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,400 » Okay, >> now we're good. 744 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,480 » Now we're done. >> Thank you. Thank you. 745 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,480 » Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. God bless you. 746 01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:06,599 » Have a good night. >> Thank you. 747 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:06,599 » Good luck. 748 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,240 » Okay. 749 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:23,119 Next one is 228 South Boulevard site plant. Mr. 750 01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:28,040 Brener, fancy meeting you here. >> He had his yeses. He doesn't get any 751 01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:28,040 more now. 752 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,440 Mike Khesi, engineer for the applicant. 753 01:01:52,559 --> 01:02:03,040 » The expansion of the commercial building subject getting the tools zoning board. 754 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,040 Um, do I need a resolution waving packable? 755 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,760 All he's doing is just putting the same with the same material. 756 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:19,640 » We do 757 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,640 that. 758 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:36,760 » Yeah. No, not 15 court. 30 the one I was there. 759 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:43,599 » Well, I'm asking for it now because I thought basically when you get the final 760 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:48,559 it was like automatic, but I saw that they asked for a special resolution. So, 761 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,880 I am requesting that resolution. 762 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:07,680 It's It's same building, same box. At the back of it is the Orangetown SL 763 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:12,440 treatment entirely. >> Well, I just want to make sure legally 764 01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:12,440 we're okay. 765 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:18,359 » If the board wants I I don't know what the board wants to do, but I'm just 766 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,359 saying 767 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:30,280 No, there's actually no public comments. 768 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,880 » And he did state the trees that you wanted if you remember correctly. 769 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:40,720 » So, we should go ahead and ask he's going to ask for a wave. We should 770 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:46,480 granted or not granted >> or reopen. 771 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:53,599 » Motion to reopen 30 corporate drive. >> Second. 772 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:56,000 » All in favor? I done uh a motion to Oh, Mr. P, you have to ask what you asking 773 01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,160 to do. >> Requesting a motion that we wave 774 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,280 appearance before Rakavore. >> What reason, sir? 775 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:07,680 » Reason is that it's the same building, same material. It's going to be on it's 776 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:14,000 a warehouse. We talked about the trees around the building 777 01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:18,880 when the M Mr. uh I'm in great shape. Was it not Mr. 778 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:24,880 Mandel? Mr. Andy. Okay. And Andy requested that um 779 01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:29,440 certain trees be planted, the Carnic tree be planted, and the back of the uh 780 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:32,440 is the sewage treatment plant town of Orangetown. 781 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:43,200 Applicant is asking for a waiver going back to 782 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,200 Did you get all those notes? >> Good. 783 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:55,440 Motion to wave Abora >> for 30 784 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:58,799 30 corporate drive. Do I have a second? >> Second. 785 01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:01,440 » All in favor? >> Okay. So, 786 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,440 » okay. Now, which one are we taking? >> 228. 787 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,520 » Too many papers over here. 788 01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,799 Yes. 789 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,520 Are you waiting for me? >> Yes, sir. 790 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,559 » Oh, sorry. >> I don't know what you want. 791 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:07,920 » One final. >> We We We appeared before a 792 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:12,720 » Well, you got to talk to me. >> We appeared We we appeared before your 793 01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:17,839 boy. We got preliminary. Then we went to Akabore. We appear before Aabore for all 794 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:23,599 four of the items we've taken. This one got approval from Akabore 795 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,319 from the Aabore board and now we're here for final. 796 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:30,640 » Okay, let me go through the consultant reports and we'll see what we can do for 797 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,640 you. Let me get through some of this paperwork. 798 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:44,799 Okay. I have a letter from building department 799 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:49,599 Rick Oliver dated August 6th with 12 comments. 800 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:57,119 I have a letter from Orangetown BME Peters dated August 21st nine comments. 801 01:06:53,760 --> 01:07:02,960 I have a letter from Warstown Fire dated July 31st. One comment. I have a letter 802 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:08,640 from Warstown plan review Paul Gansky dated August 803 01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:14,000 second. with three comments. I have a letter from town drainage consultant 804 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:22,079 Weston and Samson dated August 6th which says approved with two comments. I have 805 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:29,960 a short EAF sign Aaron Sass dated May 28th 26 project narrative from Mr. Ber 806 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,960 at the time of the application. 807 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:39,240 » Oh no I screwed up. I'm sorry. 808 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,240 Yeah, 809 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:50,280 » we'll do I'm gonna screw everybody up. 214 I read it all in 810 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:50,280 Mr. Bren 811 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,680 first. What's the difference? 812 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,920 » Okay, questions or comments? 813 01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:17,440 So refresh my memory. Why is Mr. Brener 814 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:22,560 back? >> Because he didn't give me finals. 815 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:26,960 » Okay. I have nothing right now. 816 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:31,120 » Okay. >> Any questions? 817 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:35,759 » Yeah, several questions. Um going back to the preliminary uh 818 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:42,719 decision that we gave you on April 15 to 26 on page 8 to 16. Number two, height 819 01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:47,600 of retaining walls. This is variable on the plan still. Number three, air 820 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:53,679 plantings on ement area on the south side not shown on the plans. Is there a 821 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:59,359 reason for that? >> We uh we put a separate on sheet 208 822 01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:02,839 with a separate retaining wall. like we've discussed. 823 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:10,080 » It gives you the height of the walls. >> You just have to subract. 824 01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:14,920 » No, no, it says you got to height of the walls. 825 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,920 » Okay. 826 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:23,199 » We did do a separate plan as requested. We did put the spot elevations, not the 827 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,719 heights. The heights also are subject to change based on 828 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:31,199 » I know it's variable, but we did ask for the heights. 829 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:35,640 the top and bottom sufficient but we can add that to that detail that's not 830 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:48,319 » okay and the plantings uh number three we said they're plantings to the 831 01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:53,199 easement >> sorry 832 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:58,239 the conservation easement what plans we looking at the ones from 415 still or 833 01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:02,560 the We did call out the plans for the plant 834 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:09,840 within the conservation the species type in 835 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:16,360 the bottom planting schedule. We also were hoping to be able to put in 836 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,360 the field 837 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:24,600 location because we didn't want to potentially have a problem with anybody. 838 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:30,480 because it uh that's what we asked for and that was how the condition was 839 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:36,560 written to put it show with it in the conservation ement. We added we added it 840 01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:43,280 to the planting schedule at the bottom trees for conservation 841 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:48,760 types of we have which page this I'm sorry this is page 842 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,760 five 843 01:10:52,080 --> 01:11:00,120 you show I see the planting schedule up there uh 844 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,120 something 845 01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:08,400 If you read note number four, proposed tree location within conservation 846 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:13,679 located within with town representatives to determine the best location trees 847 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:18,239 with regards to the tree health and the neighboring property. 848 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:22,719 That's number five in the planting. >> Is that something that the town does go 849 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:27,360 out and help them plant? >> Well, this is kind of unique. This 850 01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:33,400 project is unique. thought it's the wise thing to do 851 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,400 because of what we inherited 852 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:40,400 » to have a comment from the building department. 853 01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:45,520 » I would say it's very unusual but uh if the building department is willing to uh 854 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,560 go along with that >> so I mean you're calling for someone 855 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,760 from the building department to go out with you and pick the locations 856 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:56,960 » but we will st it I'm assuming they would just simply st the tree locations 857 01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:00,800 prior to them being installed if they appropriate. We just didn't we're not 858 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,760 located everybody's house, everybody's deck, anything that they have on the 859 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:09,440 adjacent property. We just didn't want to put them in a spot on the plans that 860 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:13,040 we would have one of the neighbors. >> So, if you want, I can put them on the 861 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:18,320 plans. That's not a problem. But once again I can't say that they would be in 862 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:22,960 the best location suited suited as per you know as per not only the the 863 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:27,760 conditions of this conservation ement but the condition the the view sheds of 864 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,800 the neighbors but that would be the function of an arborist 865 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,199 landscape architect. >> Yeah 866 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:39,520 » I don't think we have any landscape architects in the building department 867 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:43,320 that I know. Nope. >> We can show them on the plan. 868 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:50,719 » It's just that there were conditions from the last meeting that we asked to 869 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,960 be done. >> We were just concerned about the 870 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,600 neighbors. >> That's fine, but it's you should have a 871 01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:02,560 landscape architect. Now the and the other thing is that it goes for 214. and 872 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:07,920 also goes for 220 228 873 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:12,080 is DEM's number one plan still depicts the road widening easement along South 874 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:16,719 Boulevard. However, the town cannot accept the road widening easement. The 875 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:21,440 widening must be dedicated. The road widening shall be correctly labeled and 876 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:25,600 all drawings in detail with full mets and balance of the widening shall be 877 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:30,000 added to the drawings. Lastly, a formal road widening deed shall be submitted to 878 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:36,239 this department. any attorney's office for review and approval 879 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:39,600 » that that we will agree to. We usually give easements or dedication. We don't 880 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:43,760 have a problem. We can make the dedication. 881 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:48,960 » Well, the the thing is these roading easements, it'll also affect now your 882 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:53,520 front yard setback. So, these lots were predetermined by the village of South N. 883 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:59,199 They took them as ements, I believe, not to get rid of their front yards, 884 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:03,520 right? Because right now, you 214. 885 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:07,760 The front yard to the porch is 20.8 ft from the property line. But if you take 886 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:14,480 the ement of 11 ft, now you're going to have 9 ft. And these easements have 887 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:21,760 already been filed and recorded as part of the original subdivision and 888 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:25,679 not anything that we've done. So to abolish the ement, make it a 889 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:34,760 dedication. Now you're going to have a 9 foot front yard. 890 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:34,760 the front porch plus approximately 9. 891 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:42,159 Now we we have other properties even in Orangetown which have the same 892 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:47,520 situation. We goes way back when we have Cam Shanks 893 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:53,440 when they dedicated certain areas. We have the White Street and Independence 894 01:14:49,120 --> 01:15:00,000 Avenue where it comes up to around 10 ft from the house. So I think what's being 895 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:06,239 said Basically, we're dedicating the easement and we're keeping the easement 896 01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:09,920 so that we can keep that where the living South K wants the 897 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:13,600 building to be. We didn't create the situation. We 898 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:18,960 inherited the situation. I think that's the best way of handling it because um 899 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:22,239 and it has it's a precedent has been done before. You go right up independent 900 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:27,440 s. >> It was well before my time. Well, I know 901 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:33,920 you know was before mine, too. But I I did research it. 902 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:37,520 » So, I'm sorry, Mr. Mando. Is that uh Mr. Dean's letter saying that? 903 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:42,239 » Well, that's uh um Bruce's 904 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:46,800 » and and what does Bruce say? What does Mr. Peter say? 905 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:51,040 » He's saying uh how he reads I'll read it back. Quote, "The plan still depicts a 906 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:55,679 road widening east middle along South Boulevard. However, the town cannot 907 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:59,840 accept the road widening easement. The widening must be dedicated. The road 908 01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:05,440 widening shall be correctly labeled on all drawings and the detail with fulls 909 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:10,800 and bounds of the widening shall be added to the drawings. Lastly, a formal 910 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:15,360 road widening deed shall be submitted to this department and town attorney's 911 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:19,440 office for review and approval. >> That's on two lots. 912 01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:22,880 » Did m Did Mr. Dean have any comment? I mean that really is his purview. 913 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,400 » No. >> Okay. I think the issue though is um 914 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:32,400 again that's highway's purview, not so much dee. 915 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:38,239 But Mr. Peters is probably right. It's not going to be a public road ever 916 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,520 unless that's accomplished. >> Are they on a main state? It's a public 917 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:46,239 road right now. >> Oh, it is listed as a public road. 918 01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:48,880 » This is South Boulevard. >> Okay. 919 01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:51,120 » And and the problem is where these I don't know what they planned in the 920 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,880 future when they did the original subdivision, but they're, let's say, 921 01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:59,040 they're basically landlocked. You have separate ownership on both sides. So, 922 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:04,080 you would need either a taking by the town or additional easements to do any 923 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:08,960 improvements to South Boulevard. So, the these these were filed. The 924 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:13,120 meets and bounds from the file map is shown on the plot plan for a lot. So, 925 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:17,679 the these easements were already accepted once by South Nyak. Yeah, I 926 01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:22,320 think this is one of those problems where South NY with the way they handled 927 01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:27,520 the subdivision, we're kind of locked into um having things the way they are. 928 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,520 » A burden on us now. What do we do with it? 929 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:38,320 » I mean um >> it is a registered street. It is a if 930 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:44,000 you look at the the state map is a registered street called South Nike reg. 931 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:49,360 So the town is not being penalized in any way. It is a registered street. 932 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,320 Well, we told we would do it times where we had to finish it off. I think not all 933 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:57,640 of them were finished off. >> No, no, that's that's the other roads 934 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,640 that you have will. 935 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:07,040 But this here on south is an existing road. It always been an has been an 936 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:13,760 existing road. These easements at the time of the original subdivision were 937 01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:17,040 were accepted by the village of South N. I I don't know what you could do with 938 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:21,199 it. I don't know what it what a how a dedication of it would even benefit the 939 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,400 town. You have the easement now for road widening purposes. That was the purpose 940 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:33,280 of the easement >> and this is on the state register as 941 01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:40,159 being state being an accepted road. >> Yeah, I would say um it's up to this 942 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:46,960 board. Um you don't have to make Bruce Peters that one comment by Mr. Peter's a 943 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:51,360 condition you know and I would say given the history of this and the fact that 944 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:55,520 the subdivision was approved as it is it is a public road the easement was 945 01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:01,440 required and it was filed >> because normally we don't as you know we 946 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:05,920 take our consultants we don't you know override them that's why we're 947 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,719 looking at help from you >> right 948 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:13,040 » want to do the right things >> and again the only um condition that you 949 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:18,320 ever have to override ride. That's a technical term is the county planning 950 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:22,800 your own Orangetown people. You don't override. You have perfect authority to 951 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:28,480 accept or not accept any of their proposed conditions. 952 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:32,480 » Is what I'm trying to say. So what the applicant is coming up with and what 953 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,440 what Peters is saying is kind of two 954 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:39,199 different things. >> Mr. Brener, if I can ask you, is there a 955 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:44,560 reason you can't um offer the dedication? Is there reason 956 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,880 » if we like it was explained if we dedicate 957 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:59,000 then that moves the line so that the front yard is going to be what's 958 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:59,000 approximately 9 ft 9 ft and that cont's 959 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:16,880 discretion what you I think is appropriate. 960 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:20,880 I mean, I if Mr. Dean wanted a dedication and wanted to widen the road, 961 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:25,280 I would say that would be one reason we would it would make sense to ask for a 962 01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:29,280 dedication, but Mr. Dean apparently is not asking for that and is not going to 963 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:33,199 widen it. So, >> since I've been on the board, the 964 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:37,360 highway department has really never given us any direction. 965 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:41,360 Well, I guess part of the problem is this is a site plan approval and that 966 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:44,880 would have been done. You know, Jim would have made those Mr. Dean would 967 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,719 have made those requirements as part of the subdivision and he would not have 968 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:52,199 asked for a easement. He would have asked for the dedication 969 01:20:53,280 --> 01:21:03,280 and this has been done. This is has been done on in situations like this because 970 01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:07,440 this is a listed road in the states. That road right there 971 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:12,280 It's there. It's an existing road that South had to maintain and take care of 972 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:21,679 » the road now. >> When when they finish it, kind of kind 973 01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:25,840 of Orange County has to take care of the road 974 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:29,400 » right now. They have to take care of the road right now. 975 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:41,560 » An existing road. What do you think? 976 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,560 What do they want to do? 977 01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:52,480 » Are they taking care of the road all the way down to this house or this proposed 978 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:57,280 house? >> It's a major road. It's a major road. We 979 01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:04,239 have the building really has nothing to do with this. I mean, if it's a major 980 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:10,400 road and there hasn't been any problems, I don't see why we couldn't override 981 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:16,159 Bruce's comment. I mean, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, and 982 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:20,719 unfortunately, it was dumped on us, but what are we going to do? 983 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:25,920 I, you know, put the road, 984 01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:30,800 » right? Yeah. >> And by the way, we have done 985 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:38,120 this border started. Know that subdivision uh on South Main Street that 986 01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:38,120 goes back down on that private road 987 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:50,159 the rightway comes 9 ft from the guy's house from the steps 9 ft. 988 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:53,280 Is there is there some way you can move the house 989 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:58,159 back? We have to get to maintain the proper 990 01:22:55,679 --> 01:23:04,560 setback between the deck and the house. You have a couple feet. 991 01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:08,480 You have a 30 foot rear yard. We may be able to move the back two, 992 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:14,480 three feet, but that would make going from 9t to 10, 11 or 12 feet on the 993 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:20,840 porch. You're not really picking up any real appreciable gain by moving the 994 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,840 house back. 995 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:38,719 It's a 32t rear yard like the front yard. This was a cluster development. 996 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:41,880 You have a 32 rear yard. Right now we have 33t. 997 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,000 Yeah, I agree with Mr. Andrews. I don't see a problem there. It's a problem that 998 01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:58,719 we inherited >> because we had to take South Nyak. 999 01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:02,080 So, I have no problem with that because that nine yard 9 foot front yard is 1000 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:06,480 ridiculous, >> especially on that road. 1001 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:11,199 » Would be a It would be a danger to the people. 1002 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:15,360 That's my comment. >> Dave, 1003 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:18,560 I'm looking at the aerial shot right now and I see 214 is one available lot. 1004 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,760 Looks like there's another one that's south of that. But everything has 1005 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,120 developed in the area. Looks like this has been a parcel of land that's been 1006 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:29,040 sitting dormant for a while. And I don't see the point of pushing it back 1007 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,960 farther. It seems like everything else is pretty much set in place from the 1008 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:37,840 same distance from the road. It seems like a a problem we did inherit. I don't 1009 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:41,400 I don't see the issue with with the house as is. 1010 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:50,880 I think that the it would be too burdensome on the 1011 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:55,520 property owner. While I understand the desire to have a 1012 01:24:53,199 --> 01:25:01,120 wider road, it it's just existing and if you want to do 1013 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:07,880 the least harm, it would just be to not make them lose those 9 ft. 1014 01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:07,880 They just don't have it. 1015 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,080 Just don't >> just don't put it in. 1016 01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:27,480 » Just don't put the comment out. 1017 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:27,480 » Right. 1018 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:38,880 » Rick, does does it make sense to just be very clear why we're ignoring this 1019 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:42,960 comment? Not not ignoring the comment but considering it but 1020 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:48,560 » technically again for overriding and explaining your justification that's 1021 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:53,840 only required for Rocklin plan planning board for this I think the discussion is 1022 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:57,760 sufficient that you had and when you read the conditions in when you vote on 1023 01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,920 it you would just leave out number one of Mr. Peters's letter. 1024 01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:06,400 » I think you do want to hear from the public if anyone here wants to 1025 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,880 » Well, we're just uh just trying to get the board 1026 01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,760 Can you just do me a favor in layman's terms? Can you explain what the 1027 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:16,080 stipulation was made by the how department just so I understand how this 1028 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:20,960 comment was there in the first place? >> Okay. Um just historically this 1029 01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:27,840 subdivision was approved decades ago by South Nyak and because uh South Nyak is 1030 01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:33,040 no longer in existence by law. We the town of Orangetown has taken over 1031 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:38,080 everything that was South Nyak including its prior subdivisions. 1032 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:42,639 And this these houses had to come back for site plan approval and this is 1033 01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:48,560 coming back for site plan approval. Uh Mr. Dean did not submit any letter of 1034 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:53,520 comment on this. Um if he had wanted to widen the road and wanted a dedication 1035 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:58,000 presumably he would have said so and perhaps the board would behave 1036 01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:03,840 differently since he has no comment. Uh presumably uh he's okay with keeping 1037 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:08,000 things as they are. As Mr. Brener has said, "We're not accepting the road 1038 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:13,440 widening easement. The easement has been filed decades ago." Is that right, Mr. 1039 01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:18,080 » So, we're not accepting anything. We're not making them file an easement that 1040 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:23,440 was done with the subdivision. So, that's, you know, we're kind we're kind 1041 01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:27,600 of locked into what South Nyak did with the subdivision, 1042 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:31,760 which is why we're here. So, you had asked about what Highway had said. 1043 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:36,400 Again, our highway depo department has not commented at all about this. 1044 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:42,719 Presumably, the highway department back 20, 30 years ago in the subdivision had 1045 01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:47,360 said all they wanted was a easement and that was provided. 1046 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:50,719 Does that answer the question? >> That was well said. I I completely 1047 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,080 understand. >> Thank you. 1048 01:27:52,320 --> 01:28:00,440 » We still not understand, but we understand. 1049 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,440 » Okay. Uh, 1050 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,679 make a motion to open to the public. >> Motion to open public portion. 1051 01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,679 » Second. >> Second. 1052 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,639 » All in favor? >> Any opposed? None. Okay. Anybody from 1053 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,920 the public wish to speak on this project? 1054 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:18,320 Okay. One more time. Anybody wish to speak on this project? Hearing none. A 1055 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,719 motion to close. >> Close. Public portion. Second. 1056 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:25,760 » Second. >> All in favor? I. 1057 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:28,239 » Any opposed? None. Uh, reaffirm. Motion to reaffirm secret. 1058 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,920 » Second. >> Second. 1059 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,120 » All in favor? >> I. 1060 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,639 » U. Motion for final with conditions. Huh? 1061 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,679 » Okay. Motion. >> Motion for final. 1062 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:43,600 » Motion for final with conditions. >> Okay. Um, town of Orangetown, Rick 1063 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:50,480 Oliver, dated August 6. He has 12 comments. Town Orangetown DME, Bruce 1064 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:56,800 Peters, August 21st. He has eight comments. for leaving out number one 1065 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:59,120 comment of his August 21st letter 1066 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,360 » which leaves how many? >> Huh? 1067 01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:06,000 » Okay. So, we leave eight comments. >> Yeah. 1068 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:14,239 » Okay. So, that'll leave eight comments. Um, Orangetown Fire um July 31st, one 1069 01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:19,600 comment. Orangetown review consultant Paul Deansky, August 2nd has three 1070 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:27,440 comments. Orangetown drainage consultant Weston Samson approve August 6 2026 1071 01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:29,600 approved two comments that's all anybody else 1072 01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:35,360 » nothing second >> I just have sir one question on Bruce 1073 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:43,400 again going back to Bruce who does refer number six 1074 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:43,400 I think we're applicable 1075 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,400 we're not going to do a 1076 01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,040 If you're not going to do road, >> do you really need anything? 1077 01:29:56,159 --> 01:30:00,040 » No, we're going to do the san. 1078 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:15,760 We can we can give them the page in live. 1079 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:20,280 There's an ementate reference on the map. It's all libraries and pages. 1080 01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:27,679 » I don't know. Just bring it to your attention. 1081 01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:32,199 » Maybe we don't. All right. Leave it there. Let's see if there's an issue. 1082 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:32,199 » Okay. 1083 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:37,760 » Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second. 1084 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:40,960 » All in favor? >> Opposed? None. 1085 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:47,600 » Good luck, sir. >> Okay. 1086 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:51,800 » No. Now we'll now we'll go back to 228 South Boulevard PB26-34. 1087 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:09,480 » Okay, >> there should be another one in the 1088 01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,480 » passage. 1089 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,600 Go ahead. Mr. Brown 1090 01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:26,880 228 number two. 1091 01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:31,239 » Well, we didn't get to that. >> Okay, I'm going to go through the 1092 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,239 consult report. 1093 01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:46,719 » Okay. Um, not of Orangetown. 1094 01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:52,880 Uh, Rick Oliver, August 7th, 26. Has 10 comments. Orangetown DME Bruce Peters, 1095 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:57,360 August 21st. We're going to eliminate item number one. 1096 01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:02,400 And did you say also number two? >> No, it's item number two. I think 1097 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,639 » it's not number one. >> It was. Let me check. 1098 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,840 » Hold. We're not eliminating number one. We're eliminating 1099 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:16,480 » number two. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Number one stain and 1100 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:23,280 number two is coming out. So that means he has 10 1101 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:28,719 comments. Good. Ortown fire the July 21st has two 1102 01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:34,000 comments. Ormtown 1103 01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:37,679 council Paul Gansky August 2nd has three comments. 1104 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:45,040 Georgetown drainage consultant Weston Samson August 6th approved two comments 1105 01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:52,480 short EAF Sansson owner May 26 2025 and we had a 1106 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:58,639 project narrative by Mr. Brener any questions or comments? 1107 01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:01,639 » I have no questions. Thank you Mr. Anything 1108 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:09,280 on uh conservation easement building department number six and seven show the 1109 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:17,440 conservation easement and the new trees to be shown. 1110 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:21,000 So it would be uh page five of the landscape plan. 1111 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,800 » I don't believe there are any conservation 1112 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:39,440 I'm going by uh building zoning planning and administration enforcement number 1113 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:44,800 number six and seven. It says show conservation easement and show four new 1114 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:49,440 trees in the conservation easement. >> There are no conservation. 1115 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:51,600 » There aren't any. >> We'll confirm and we'll put it in 1116 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:56,320 writing to the building. >> Oh, okay. 1117 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:58,800 We'll remove them as uh as conditions then if there are not 1118 01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:02,280 » we can just address them if they're not there. That's fine. 1119 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,520 » Okay. 1120 01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:20,880 Did you read any of the other ones for >> which one? 1121 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:25,520 » On this one key. >> Yeah, I did. Okay. 1122 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,920 » Okay. I'm going to open up. Motion to open the public. 1123 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,199 » Motion to open public portion. >> Second. 1124 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,400 » Second. >> All in favor? 1125 01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:37,520 » I oppose. Anybody from the public wish to speak on 228? Please step up. State 1126 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:41,120 your name and address. Microphone. State your name and address. And then when 1127 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:45,560 you're done, please sign the sheet of paper on the desk. Thank you. 1128 01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:56,840 » Kathy with a K. Gallion. That is spelled G A L I O N E 234 South Boulevard. 1129 01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,520 I'm not actually really sure why I'm here. I'm just trying to follow this 1130 01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:05,280 through to the natural conclusion because I I I don't know if it's a 1131 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:10,719 foregone conclusion that this will be developed, but I'm presuming it will be. 1132 01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:15,840 Um, so I just wanted to go on record to um maintain that I I feel as if too 1133 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,679 large of a house is going on too small of a property. feels a little 1134 01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:23,760 shoehorned. The road is the narrowest there. It's a little precarious when it 1135 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:29,360 comes to traffic and I'm still concerned about drainage. I I realize that you 1136 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:33,679 have a lot of um experts that maintain the other direction, which is just fine. 1137 01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:37,600 I just figured I wanted to kind of, you know, this is a house I'll be looking at 1138 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:42,679 for probably the remainder of my life. And uh 1139 01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:42,679 sorry, 1140 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:52,639 but despite that um whoever builds and lives in this house, I'll be a great 1141 01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,400 neighbor, too. And it's a great neighborhood. So, those are my concerns. 1142 01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,400 I appreciate all your diligence thus far. Thanks. 1143 01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:06,360 » Thank you very much. Could you do me a favor? Please sign in. Is it red over 1144 01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:06,360 here? Thank you very 1145 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,679 for the record, please. 1146 01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:23,120 » Okay. Thank you. Um, good evening. My name is Katya Alberino. I live at 1147 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:33,280 » Sorry. K A T J A 1148 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:39,520 Alberino. A L B E R I N O 229 South Boulevard. Thank you. Um, I 1149 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:46,080 was just wondering if it's possible to request the actual height of the peak of 1150 01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:49,440 the house. Um, I live across the street from where the developer will be 1151 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:53,600 building the house. And we do have a view of the river and the bridge and I 1152 01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:58,560 was just wondering if maybe you could clarify how high the peak will be. I 1153 01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:04,639 know it's going to be about 33 feet or 30 feet. Um, I know it's all set in 1154 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:10,719 stone, but just a slight request if it could possibly build be built not too 1155 01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:16,320 much higher than our view allows. I'm not sure if that could be asked now or 1156 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:19,320 » you have any idea what the height of the >> building 1157 01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:24,199 look 1158 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:28,239 really at this point it's it's hard to sight. 1159 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,679 » Okay. >> All right. 1160 01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:33,800 » Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Please do sign. 1161 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:40,320 Anyone else? Okay. Hearing none. 1162 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:42,239 » Move the closed public portion. >> Second. 1163 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:46,960 » All in favor? I >> oppose. Done. 1164 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:50,320 » Okay. Uh reaffirm. >> Motion to reaffirm secret. 1165 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:54,639 » Second. >> Okay. All in favor? 1166 01:37:51,600 --> 01:38:00,000 » I opposed. Done. Okay. Motion for final conditions. 1167 01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:05,840 Motion for final with conditions. >> Um, Orangetown Building Department Rick 1168 01:38:02,719 --> 01:38:11,760 Oliver, August 7th, 10 comments. Orangetown BME Bruce Peters, August 21st 1169 01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:16,159 has 10 comments. Reading out number two. Correct. 1170 01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:22,800 » Right. Okay. Um, Orangetown Fire District, uh, July 31st, two comments. 1171 01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:28,560 Orangetown, uh, planning consultant, Paul, August 2nd, three comments. 1172 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:33,440 Wormstown drainage western Samson approve August 6th 2026 approved with 1173 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:38,280 two comments >> and you've gone to a boy already correct 1174 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,280 mir 1175 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,920 » yes we have >> right 1176 01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:43,600 » okay >> okay do I have a second 1177 01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:49,159 » second >> all in favor 1178 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:49,159 » I any oppos 1179 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:24,320 We have an open statement. Same way. Okay. 1180 01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:32,239 Orangetown Building Department Rick Oliver August 7th with eight comments. 1181 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:40,480 Orangetown DME Group Peters August 21st has nine comments. Orangetown Fire July 1182 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:45,119 31st three comments. Orangetown it's open 1183 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:52,320 August 2nd. There's three comments. Warmtown Dance Won Samson dated August 6 1184 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:57,280 26. It's approved. Two comments. Rocklin County Department of Planning 1185 01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:02,080 August 7th remains local decision. No comments. I have a referral sheet from 1186 01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:07,440 Rocklin County Department of Planning July 23rd. Comments attached. I have a 1187 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:14,239 consent lead agent sheet from Rockland County Department of Planning dated July 1188 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:21,920 23rd. Consent. I have a short EAF prepared to Aaron Sassin uh owner May 1189 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:26,159 28th, 2026 and a project narrative. Don Brener 1190 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:32,800 Andy question. >> Yes, sir. Yes. I want to go back to Mr. 1191 01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:40,080 Majansky's letter. Okay. We want you want to talk about that. We 1192 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:48,280 had a problem in that area on Saturday night 1193 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:48,280 and a tree came down across the road. 1194 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:58,239 couldn't get in touch with anybody. I personally with the owner's permission 1195 01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:03,199 got a contractor out there and remove the tree showing that we want to get it 1196 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:08,560 done. And what we did is we're going to we have pictures for you to show you 1197 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:13,840 this road has been paved for years and years and years and the fire department 1198 01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:19,760 comes down that road every year and checks it out. So the road is that size. 1199 01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:22,760 The fire department has used it and runs ex 1200 01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:31,400 every year. >> The owner of directly 1201 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,400 road 1202 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:43,760 because I know in front of them they were out there. 1203 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:46,400 But I'm just saying this is back years or so ago. I know they were out there 1204 01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:50,719 paying the road. 1205 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:53,840 » No, but I know Mr. Manski was worried about certain things. He was worried 1206 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:57,520 about the fire truck. He was worried, can it get through? And the fire 1207 01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:03,360 department's been the only thing in South Na has been checking it out every 1208 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:09,520 year. They run their equipment across the road and the road is open and paved. 1209 01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:12,560 » Who paved the road? >> Was paved 1210 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:18,480 » by the owner of the property? >> The owner in that house. They didn't 1211 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:23,199 verify it, but the the lady across the >> road 1212 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:27,679 also she's looking for the town to take over the road because it's not listed as 1213 01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:31,440 a private road. Her deeds do not extend to the center line. It does not have a 1214 01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:38,960 separate tax. So she's quite anxious to get the town 1215 01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:44,880 over the responsibility. >> What's the role? 1216 01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:48,080 » It varies, you know, like I said, part is about what 1217 01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:51,679 » I'm going to say the surveyor is going to go out there just to locate it 1218 01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:53,280 because the uh we were asked to do so at the PRC 1219 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:58,000 » right >> just as a quick pacing measurement I got 1220 01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:02,520 about 16 18 ft >> it's required to be 20 1221 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,520 » 20 1222 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:14,159 we have we have roads in the town that are 16 18 ft they are roads 1223 01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:19,679 these are existing roads this road is paved from 1224 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:24,560 to Chase. It is a paved road. It was our 1225 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:30,639 understanding at the PRC that as long as it wasn't a dead end road where a fire 1226 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:34,960 truck would have to back up. This would be 1227 01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:39,159 somewhat deemed acceptable because it's not a a dead end. 1228 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:49,760 the principal >> different from helping you too much. 1229 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:54,320 » I believe that discussion was had at uh PRC. Was that right? Yeah. I was sitting 1230 01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:57,600 next to Mr. Majeski when that discussion happened. 1231 01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:03,600 » I would say more or less that's an accurate description of the discussion 1232 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:06,880 that Mr. Majeski would work with them. But I don't know that there's any need 1233 01:44:05,199 --> 01:44:13,119 to not follow his conditions. you know, 1234 01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:18,000 » goes all the way the road goes all the way down to Bracken. I mean, the slope 1235 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:21,840 of the road is unbelievable, but it does go all the way down. 1236 01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:27,360 » Right. So, again, I believe it's accurate to the degree that Mr. Majeski 1237 01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:32,719 will work with the applicant and it perhaps may be adequate as things are, 1238 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:38,639 but I don't think that there's any need to cut out any of his his conditions. 1239 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:42,239 Is the applicant asking for a modification of 1240 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:47,280 » No, we we will work with him, but we just wanted to to show that this has 1241 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:50,639 been used, paved, and fire trucks go through it. 1242 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:55,960 » It says if required, Mr. Burner, the last two words on number two, if 1243 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,960 required. 1244 01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:03,679 » Question. I appreciate the provided, but I just 1245 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:08,400 happened to say this is not a dead end, but I was on the same picture. You said 1246 01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:11,600 that. What's the sign right here? It says dead end. 1247 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:16,880 » You can't go by the signage because they put up private road, no parking, one 1248 01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:20,800 way. [clears throat] You can't tell by they block the road. 1249 01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:25,040 » If you Well, first off, it's not an official sign. It's not an official 1250 01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:27,520 height. It's not official size. just 1251 01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:30,960 falling down. >> Just trying to drive that road to take 1252 01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:35,520 the tree down. >> Somebody put up saw horses across the 1253 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:38,800 road. So, you had to move these obstructions just to get to the road. I 1254 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:43,040 don't know who did it, >> but I can just tell you they exist. Even 1255 01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:46,800 at the intersection further down on Barin 1256 01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:51,360 » and it just appears that people like parking on the road, so they don't want 1257 01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:56,239 to they don't want to make these roads more public, shall we say. 1258 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:59,600 Well, yeah. Even if you go down to the culdeac on Bar and you'll find trailers, 1259 01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:03,520 you'll find campers, you'll find everything parked up along through the 1260 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:07,159 the culdeac of barrage and they're not owned by the applicant. 1261 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:16,719 We we did we did say we spoke to highway superintendent, we once this is 1262 01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:22,400 approved, we're going to go through and get the rest of the subdivision done and 1263 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:26,560 one application and we will put up private 1264 01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:29,560 to try to get these people off the property. 1265 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,840 » Oh, they're going to love that. 1266 01:46:53,760 --> 01:47:00,960 I said last meeting that uh that the measurements for the roadway was 1267 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:09,360 supposed to be taken and put it put on the uh site plan. So we knew if it was 1268 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:15,679 18 or 20 or 19 or whatever that the attorney can come to that turn. 1269 01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:19,040 Yeah, but how many years that firm been there? And how many times has the fire 1270 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:23,920 truck going up and down without a problem? 1271 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:29,360 » That's uh I mean it was paid by the woman who lives there because the the uh 1272 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,239 the hill above her is every time it rained. 1273 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:34,480 » Yeah. >> She wound up with uh the dirt and 1274 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:39,280 everything blocking her driveway. So, she had it paved. 1275 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:44,480 » She's also the one who told me that fire department does she said their biggest 1276 01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,480 truck around 1277 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:51,600 the fire hydrants on the road. >> There's a fire hydrant that I know of at 1278 01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:56,000 the intersection of and and college right on the I'll 1279 01:47:54,749 --> 01:48:02,080 [clears throat] call it the southwest corner going up the hill. I believe 1280 01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:07,199 there's one closer to Chase. >> Where is it? Where is Where is it in 1281 01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:10,000 reference to the property? We have one right here. 1282 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:14,320 » So, it's closer to the property. Oh, >> yeah. Yes. 1283 01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:21,679 Fire checkers must go up there and check the fire hydrants. 1284 01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:27,639 » No, that's under the control water. >> Pardon me. 1285 01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:27,639 » Water provides the water. 1286 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:37,119 » That's not over because it's not water. >> Yeah. But doesn't a fire department go 1287 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:40,000 up and check the hydrants? Yes. Okay. So, that's what I'm saying. 1288 01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:43,760 » I assume that's why they run the truck up there. 1289 01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:49,199 And how is there any part of that road that's as narrow 1290 01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:53,920 as where you are? >> You say 16. 1291 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:57,760 It appears to be a little narrow. Like I said, just rough measurements. 1292 01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:01,000 The surveyor was going to go out and just locally 1293 01:49:08,110 --> 01:49:16,159 [clears throat] this this portion of the road up here 1294 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:21,679 because according to the res. She has issues with stuff like that 1295 01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:24,080 because they won't go down because >> the hills like that. 1296 01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,960 » No, she's saying it's not even it's not even a pitch of the hill. 1297 01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,239 the condition of the road. 1298 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:40,600 And part of the thing is she has trash out 1299 01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:07,159 concern moving forward. I know that 1300 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:17,960 is address 1301 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,719 and now we have 1302 01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:32,679 problem 1303 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:39,600 forward. >> Well, I think what we're talking about 1304 01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:42,800 now is not a public road. Correct. This is a private road. 1305 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:46,719 » No, I as far as we can tell, it's not a private road. 1306 01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:51,920 » This is a public road as well. >> Well, if you look at Willow, right? 1307 01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:55,440 Right now, Willow has a tax number, right? Willow would be under private 1308 01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:59,840 ownership. >> Well, m Mr. I mean, if it's a if it's a 1309 01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:04,880 public road, it's listed with the state and it's on Mr. Dean's list. 1310 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:12,840 » What was said here is that when he acquired the property, he made a 1311 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:12,840 statement to the town and Mr. 1312 01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:19,040 that was missing in the road. The utilities are in, the drain is in, the 1313 01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:24,480 sewer is in, the curves, everything's in. He said he would cap the road to the 1314 01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:27,760 town specific. And that's really what we're trying to do. We're trying to get 1315 01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:32,800 going. >> So, Mr. Brener, is it your understanding 1316 01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:36,960 that this is a town road or it's not a town road yet? 1317 01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:41,360 » I don't know what it is. The one area that needs to be capped yet 1318 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,760 that area I don't think that's turned over to the town because it won't be 1319 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:51,239 until it's >> it was dedicated by deed and subdivision 1320 01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:51,239 plant to the village of South 1321 01:51:53,760 --> 01:52:00,960 » all these areas were dedicated >> because how how can that be man stick 1322 01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:05,520 out an edge? How could the town plow it? town does not plow 1323 01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:09,840 » and and South KN did not plow it. In other words, the people that live there 1324 01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:14,000 plow it. >> Okay. One thing to keep in mind is even 1325 01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:18,480 though it's been offered for dedication does not make it a town road. It has to 1326 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:25,119 be there needs a town board resolution or South Nyak resolution saying we 1327 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:30,800 » could not find South. We know the town did not accept it. Okay. And the reason 1328 01:52:28,639 --> 01:52:35,520 we made when he started the project is that the build he will cap the road to 1329 01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:39,440 meet the requirements of the town specification 1330 01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:45,760 that he committed himself. >> The only thing I know a deed has been 1331 01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:49,520 filed dedicating the road to South KN South KN signed off on the deed. To me 1332 01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:55,760 that's an acceptance of the road once it's completed fully. 1333 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:59,040 » Now you're saying that the owner has agreed to cap the road. 1334 01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:02,080 » Yes. He agreed to cap that term. 1335 01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:06,320 » This is already This is all Brandon. >> No, no, no. I understand. Is this part 1336 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:08,320 of what he agreed to cap? >> He agreed to cap the road in accordance 1337 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:12,560 with >> any road that I believe required. If 1338 01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:20,560 required will if that road is not capped, he's agreed to cap that road. 1339 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:24,239 » Okay. So, if he's willing to cap it, why doesn't he add two feet to it to make it 1340 01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:28,480 more make it comp? >> Well, because you can add a foot either 1341 01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:32,800 side. principal part of it's tough because you have a stone retaining wall 1342 01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:34,719 that runs along this east edge and the thing 1343 01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:38,080 » not that I'm talking about. >> Yeah, you see that you can see the wall 1344 01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:41,520 right there on the one side. >> We're talking about this turn 1345 01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:46,080 » this turn right here. He wouldn't even have to do two feet. 1346 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:50,000 If you want him to I don't believe he'd have a problem widening the road. 1347 01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:55,599 » That's the only thing we're concerned of is that turn right there. 1348 01:53:53,280 --> 01:54:00,639 That turn is not the rest of the road. We can't do anything about it. 1349 01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:04,599 We know that this is the only thing that we're concerned 1350 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:04,599 » with this 1351 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:09,880 area we discussed at the project review. 1352 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:24,639 That's what I was I was going to suggest that we're making a condition that they 1353 01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:29,280 work it out once once you get the approval one way or the other and the 1354 01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:33,199 applicant agrees to we have to work it out. 1355 01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:37,119 » Yeah. However, when we when it was discussed at project review, it said 1356 01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:39,440 that there were measurements should be taken to determine exactly 1357 01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:43,040 » should >> that should have been done that way. 1358 01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:46,639 Would it do we have to have a discussion or we don't have to have a discussion? 1359 01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:51,280 That was the whole principle behind getting it measured. We showed the 1360 01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:55,199 measurements at the property. The measurements that were being looked for 1361 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:58,159 going up towards Chase, which are not on the property. 1362 01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:03,840 » Well, we were looking at the project review was looking specifically, 1363 01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:05,440 my recollection at the turn there in front of the property. That's what they 1364 01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:07,840 were looking for. >> Three dimensions listed right at the 1365 01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:12,560 turn >> and they're short. 1366 01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:15,760 » They're short, but that's why we went to Is it a dead end? Because it was a 1367 01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:20,239 belief that from this point up it was gravel. So, we went, we took the picture 1368 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:26,000 to show that the roads were actually paved, that it's not gravel, that it has 1369 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:29,920 a traversible surface, and then there's a surveyor 1370 01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:34,480 that will go out and get the measurements for Dave to give him the 1371 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:36,960 widths, and we'll try to find the spot of the 1372 01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:39,920 » We're only concerned with this turn. That's where your property is. That's 1373 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:44,080 where our concern is. >> At the turn, we should we show hard 1374 01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:48,239 measurements that were done by the right now. We have 19 more. But it was the 1375 01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:52,960 believe that this was a dead end road and that the truck would have to back up 1376 01:55:50,320 --> 01:56:00,719 for the length of the road because the footage of the road at 71 ft 24 so 124 1377 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:04,719 were greater than allowable according to the fire. 1378 01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:09,520 So that's why he but that was under the belief that this was a nontraversible 1379 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:12,920 portion of road going away from us but it is travers 1380 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:21,040 and as for extending the road 9/10 of a foot 10 in to a foot in this portion 1381 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:25,679 over here I don't believe the applicant would have a problem extending the road 1382 01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:29,440 » I think that's that's our concern we're concerned with the door 1383 01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:34,480 » well then that that would be something you would discuss with Dave Yes. 1384 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:37,599 Well, we have to work it out with Dave. The only way we can get past Dave, we'd 1385 01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:42,159 have to go to Albany. >> Not even not even do it, 1386 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:44,560 » right? >> Because you had said you had that 1387 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,719 concern with it. >> Yes, I did. 1388 01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:49,119 » Okay. So, you're going to work it out with him. So, we're going to leave it as 1389 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:53,520 it is and you're going to work it out with them. 1390 01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:55,440 » I I mean, I was discussing it because I just wanted to tell you, 1391 01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,159 » right? >> We have to work it out with Dave. If we 1392 01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:01,040 can't work it out with Dave, we have to go to Albany. We really don't want to go 1393 01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:05,520 to >> Well, it'd be nice to have on on a piece 1394 01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:12,040 of paper stating to us that it's the 20 ft. It had been worked out originally. 1395 01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:12,040 » Well, we we 1396 01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:16,159 work it out with him. If if you if you come up with 19 ft, it's not that much. 1397 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,080 I don't think it's going to be that much. 1398 01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:21,840 » Well, he's going by the code. The code is 1399 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:24,960 » by the code. We understand that. >> Um I mean, we've used that road for I 1400 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:30,480 don't know how many years and never had an issue. So, if we can move everything 1401 01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:34,639 the code because we're getting stuff that's not within code. So we make 1402 01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:39,199 everything the code down the road everybody else 1403 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:43,280 the code so we don't have a problem. >> Is it on his property that he can do 1404 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,520 this or it's not? Whose property is it on? 1405 01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:51,360 » It does appear that he should be able to go on to his property extend. It's about 1406 01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:56,960 a one foot about a 10 in 10 in 10 inch extension of the road. Looking at the 1407 01:57:53,840 --> 01:58:01,679 measurements that were taken 19.1 >> if he can It's his property. He can do 1408 01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:05,520 it. And we're we are going to do it. If it's not his property, we can't talk to 1409 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:10,960 somebody else's property. >> Technically, it's in the rightway. 1410 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:14,080 » They have a tenant extension into the rightway. It wouldn't be on property. 1411 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:17,719 There would be no easement, anything like that. 1412 01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:17,719 » Okay. 1413 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:29,199 » So, I think you did. I think I finished all 1414 01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:29,199 » join the club. 1415 01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:34,639 Oh, wait a minute. >> No, the other the other locks are 1416 01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:36,880 » easy. >> Easy. 1417 01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:39,679 » Okay, let's >> let's 1418 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,840 » because they're in the bottom. You have to do that. 1419 01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:49,320 » Was a motion made for final with conditions? Do you remember? 1420 01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:55,119 » Oh, okay. All right. See, that's why you guys got me all messed up. 1421 01:58:53,119 --> 01:58:57,760 » Motion to open up to the public. >> Second. 1422 01:58:55,679 --> 01:59:01,840 » Second. All in favor? >> Paul is not. Anybody from the public 1423 01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:05,360 wants to speak on this? >> There was a lady here. I think she got 1424 01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:08,960 disgusted and left. Okay. >> No, no, no. She was an architect for 1425 01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:12,159 another job. >> Nothing to do with this. 1426 01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:15,760 » Anybody else wish to speak on this? Hearing none of the motion to close. 1427 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:18,960 » Motion to close. Public portion. Second. >> Second. 1428 01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:24,880 » All favor. I opposed. Okay. None opposed. Um, 1429 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:29,040 » motion to reaffirm. Motion to reaffirm. >> Second. Second. 1430 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:32,760 » All in favor? I oppos. None. Motion for final with conditions. 1431 01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:40,639 » Do I have a motion? >> Okay. Do I have a second? No. Conditions 1432 01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:45,760 are Orangetown building, Rick Oliver, August 1433 01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:52,560 7th, eight comments. Orangetown BME Bruce Peters, August 21st, nine 1434 01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:57,840 comments. Orangetown FA Fire, July 31st, three comments. Uh town. 1435 01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:00,239 » You know, you never asked us for comments on this project. 1436 01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:03,840 » Excuse me. >> Never asked us for comments, 1437 02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:05,840 » didn't I? >> No. 1438 02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:08,560 » I cancel that. >> Andy, do you have any questions or 1439 02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:12,840 comments on this? >> No. 1440 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:12,840 » Okay, Mr. Mandel. 1441 02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:19,880 » I'm sorry. >> Okay. Sorry. 1442 02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,880 » Been getting confusing. 1443 02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:28,800 » Okay. This uh planning board decision April 15, 2026 number four had plantings 1444 02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:34,080 to the west side and southside conservation easements. That's page 1445 02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:38,400 eight of 16 is not shown. >> They're called out on the landscape 1446 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:42,639 schedule. We'll just put them in. Like I said, we did that only because we 1447 02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:46,639 » well have hire landscape architect that would have put into it. 1448 02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:52,920 » Okay. Nothing further. Everything else was discussed. Thank you. Question or 1449 02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:52,920 comments. Question. 1450 02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:22,280 » Any comments? Okay, thank you. Uh motion open to the 1451 02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:22,280 public. 1452 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:27,199 » I know we got to go back in order. >> Second. 1453 02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:30,080 » All in favor? I >> I. 1454 02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:32,719 » Anybody wish to speak on this? Anybody wish to speak on motion to close? 1455 02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:35,440 » Motion to close. >> Second. 1456 02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:38,480 » All in favor? I >> reaffirm SQA. 1457 02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:40,080 » Motion to reaffirm SQA. >> Second. 1458 02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:42,960 » Second. >> All in favor? 1459 02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:47,360 » Opposed? None. >> Motion for final with conditions. 1460 02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:58,000 Okay. Okay. Orangetown building, Rick Oliver, 1461 02:01:54,800 --> 02:02:02,239 August 7th, eight comments. Orangetown DME, Bruce Peters, August 21st, nine 1462 02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:07,280 comments. Orangetown Fire, July 31st, three 1463 02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:13,520 comments. Orangetown 1464 02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:20,800 Paul Deans, August 2nd, three comments. Orangetown Drainage, Western Samson. Uh, 1465 02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:27,119 August 6th, approved. Two comments. Orangetown Planning Board. Uh, August 1466 02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:32,000 7th, local. And that's it. 1467 02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:34,560 Do I have a second? >> Second. 1468 02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:38,520 » All in favor? >> Opposed? 1469 02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:38,520 » Opposed. 1470 02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:50,480 Okay. Code. >> Yep. 1471 02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:54,119 » All right. 27 college. 1472 02:02:56,639 --> 02:03:01,800 » Same thing. Go right into reports. 1473 02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:11,080 There's nothing easy. Mr. Brener, I've known you for too many years. Nothing 1474 02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:11,080 easy. 1475 02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:18,400 Okay. Orangetown Building Department, Rick 1476 02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:23,599 Oliver, August 7th, eight comments. Orangetown DMD, Bruce Peters, August 1477 02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:27,920 21st, 11 comments. Orangetown Fire, July 30th, two 1478 02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:33,840 comments. Orangetown project 1479 02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:39,760 plan review, Paul Gans, uh, August 2nd, three comments. Or town drainage, 1480 02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:45,119 Western Samson, approved. Two comments dated August 6th, 2026. 1481 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:52,080 Rocklin County Department of Planning dated August 7th, 26. Remand for local 1482 02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:56,719 decision. No comments. Um referral sheet from Rockland County Department of 1483 02:03:53,520 --> 02:04:02,159 Planning July 23rd, 2026. Comments attached. I have a letter consult agency 1484 02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:08,480 for Rockland County Department of Planning dated July 23rd. Consent. I 1485 02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:13,920 have a short EAF prayer by the owner May 26 and project 1486 02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:18,239 narrative from Mr. Brener at the time of the application. 1487 02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:23,119 » Okay. Anything else? Thank you very much. And questions or comments? 1488 02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:28,679 » Yeah. Um, where is this property in relationship 1489 02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:28,679 to the last one? 1490 02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:36,360 » On the screen you see the 11. >> Yeah. 1491 02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:36,360 » Previous lot. This is lot 11. 1492 02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:45,920 down here. Right off the road, correct? >> Yes. 1493 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:52,800 » But how wide is the road down here? >> Oh, be on. Okay. All right. 1494 02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:58,599 I don't have any questions. >> No questions, Mr. Chairman. 1495 02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:58,599 » Any questions or comments? 1496 02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:05,760 » Question. Question. Motion open the public. 1497 02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,800 » Motion open public portion. >> Second. 1498 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:11,040 » Second. >> All in favor? 1499 02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:15,280 » Any opposed? None. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this project? 1500 02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:17,119 » Anybody from the public wish to speak on this project? Hearing? None. A motion to 1501 02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:19,199 close. >> Motion to close. Public portion. 1502 02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:20,719 » Second. >> Second. 1503 02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:25,360 » All in favor? >> I opposed. None. 1504 02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:31,360 » Motion reaffirm. >> No. Wait. We did I think we got to do 1505 02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:34,800 Nick on this, don't we? We did we do seek one this weekly. 1506 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:37,280 » Oh, okay. Motion to read. >> Yeah, we have. 1507 02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:39,360 » All right. Motion to reaffirm. >> Motion to reaffirm secret. 1508 02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,199 » Second. >> Second. 1509 02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:44,320 » All in favor? >> Any opposed? 1510 02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:48,400 » Motion final conditions. >> Motion for final with conditions. 1511 02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:54,320 » Orangetown Building Department. Rick Oliver, August 7th, eight comments. 1512 02:05:51,760 --> 02:06:02,880 Orangetown DME Bruce Peters. August 21st. 11 comments. Orangetown Fire. Um 1513 02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:07,440 July 30th, two comments. Orangetown plan review. 1514 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:13,599 August 2nd, three comments. Orangetown drainage consultant Western Samson. 1515 02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:16,719 August 6 approve. Two comments. And that's all. Do I have a second? 1516 02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:23,159 Second. >> All in favor? Oppos? None. Good luck, 1517 02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:23,159 sir. 1518 02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:30,882 » We'll be back. North. 1519 02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:32,902 » They say we'll be back. [laughter] 1520 02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:41,960 » Yeah, you guys are too nice tonight. What the hell's going on? 1521 02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:41,960 » Was this a conspiracy? 1522 02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:50,079 » Is anybody here from 182? >> Yes, sir. Okay. 1523 02:06:47,679 --> 02:06:54,520 » Soon as we get rid of these guys, come on up. We'll abuse you a little bit. 1524 02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:05,480 What the heck happened? 1525 02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:23,800 I'm not getting involved. Don't get involved. 1526 02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:23,800 Be here all night. 1527 02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:27,239 Okay. 1528 02:07:30,159 --> 02:07:33,480 » Yes, sir. 1529 02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:38,560 » State your name and address for the record and sign it, please. 1530 02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:41,560 » Sure. >> Samson. 1531 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:48,679 » S. Last name. S I M O I 1532 02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:56,280 S O. 1533 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:19,280 » All right. So, I was here about two weeks ago. the PRC. I believe there were 1534 02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:22,159 a few things that were addressed and I took care of a few things that some of 1535 02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:28,599 the questions they were concerned about some of the addresses 1536 02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:28,599 and whatnot. So, 1537 02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:40,000 I wanted to um the property is pretty small. The the lot size 1538 02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:44,960 the way I'm not sure if you guys have the plans of what I was proposing on 1539 02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:52,520 doing privacy trees for my uh equipment. Oh, there you go. 1540 02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:52,520 » I don't have I got it. 1541 02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:04,719 So, as far as you guys are concerned, do you prefer that there are trees? Can 1542 02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:11,280 I have a fence in on the on the North Middletown Road? 1543 02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:15,280 If so, is there a setback? Because looks like the property line I'm not sure if 1544 02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:18,400 there's a if there's an easement there. Based on the survey that I was giving, 1545 02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:22,800 which is very old, doesn't show any easement. It shows the property is right 1546 02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:28,480 on the on the street. So, has anything changed ever since? 1547 02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:34,679 Does does it change any ruling as far as a setback versus if I put a fence versus 1548 02:09:31,679 --> 02:09:34,679 trees? 1549 02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,280 » Okay. 1550 02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:59,679 Um, so on on the street there, is that the 1551 02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:03,520 front or the back of the house? >> It's a good question. The property has 1552 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:05,520 two addresses. So 1553 02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:10,079 » they're both front yards. >> Yeah, I guess. 1554 02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:12,960 » So you're only allowed uh four and a half ft on those roads, 1555 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:15,840 » the height, correct? >> Yeah. Are you on a corner, an outside 1556 02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:17,599 corner? >> No, there's no other street there, 1557 02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,880 right? >> No, I mean there there are two adjacent 1558 02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:23,520 properties. I know it's it's not it's not 1559 02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:27,159 » so yeah four and a half ft >> height. 1560 02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:27,159 » Yeah. 1561 02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:29,119 » No, a fence can be right on the property line. 1562 02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,119 » It could be. >> Uh yeah, right on your property. 1563 02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:34,079 » Trees as well. >> Trees. Yeah. 1564 02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:48,239 You brought up a project review that you you were talking about a fence, but you 1565 02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:54,760 wanted to possibly, as you show there, put plantings around, move the fence a 1566 02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:54,760 little back for your sight distances. 1567 02:10:54,800 --> 02:11:01,040 » Correct. I mean, the way I envision this is that first of all, if I'm going to 1568 02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:04,320 put plans there, I wouldn't put them on the property line because they're going 1569 02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:05,360 to get killed with it when they plow the road, 1570 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,800 » right? >> So, it would have to have a setback 1571 02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:11,119 regardless. Now, if I put a fence, that might change the conversation a little 1572 02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:14,800 bit. >> But I'm not sure if you guys going to be 1573 02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:17,760 satisfied with the look because if I put the fence so close to the street, I'm 1574 02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:22,520 not going to have any room for for any planting. 1575 02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:22,520 » Well, 1576 02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:29,440 that close. >> Well, you would probably if I put a 1577 02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:34,000 fence, I would probably put like three feet in, but if I'm putting trees, 1578 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:36,719 probably like seven 10 feet in, I would assume. 1579 02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:40,840 » There was no sidewalk on that side of the street. 1580 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,840 » Correct. 1581 02:11:41,599 --> 02:11:48,480 » They didn't do anything. >> It ends right there. So, that's exactly 1582 02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:52,599 why I was asking about the the setback if there's any any easement. 1583 02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:59,960 Okay. The the other thing is coming out of the property. 1584 02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:06,520 » Correct. 1585 02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:21,760 » So, so that's a great question you brought up. The last time I was here at 1586 02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:26,639 PRC, um the fire chief had mentioned that he he had trouble accessing. Now, 1587 02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:30,000 the the neighbor next door, he had shrubs coming all the way up, and I 1588 02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:37,040 asked him if he would let me cut, and he did. So, since then, I've planted 48 1589 02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:40,880 trees on the side, 48 green johns, which has the best the fastest growing trees 1590 02:12:38,639 --> 02:12:44,079 on the market, you know, today because I wanted to let them grow at least to to 1591 02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:46,639 let the roots establish for next spring. They're just going to take off. I 1592 02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:50,639 haven't done anything in the front obviously because I want to you know I 1593 02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:56,239 want to get some answers here or some ideas. Um so that I solved that problem. 1594 02:12:54,400 --> 02:13:02,320 However, there is an electrical pole that's 1595 02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:07,159 really what's causing the the view to make it difficult to to go in and out. 1596 02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:15,040 So I may have to I know it's not shown there. I did a poor job there. I I would 1597 02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:20,400 probably have to call OR to solve that problem and and then to end this point 1598 02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:26,079 um I haven't updated it but I didn't want 1599 02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:30,239 to bring everything the last minute where it does show where the there is 1600 02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:33,280 enough space that you can pull up and you have a clear view to get you know to 1601 02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:37,280 get out of the parking lot without causing an accident. 1602 02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:40,719 » Well, at least that's the goal. >> Yeah. That's why you wouldn't go with 1603 02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:45,280 the abroades in the front on Middletown Road. That would block your site totally 1604 02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:50,239 if you use that. >> So the way I'm in the way I had my 1605 02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:53,119 renderings as of this afternoon that I was working on. This is something that I 1606 02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:55,679 did. So it's nothing professional. This is not an art. 1607 02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:59,840 » Yeah. Well, it's got the plan when you do come before the board. Sure. is to 1608 02:13:58,159 --> 02:14:02,560 they'll give you sheets that'll tell you how to do it, but you have to have a 1609 02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:05,280 professionally drawn up >> of course 1610 02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:09,840 » plans and everything that would show it, show your landscaping and everything 1611 02:14:07,119 --> 02:14:14,480 like that. But you did mention at uh project review if you worried about the 1612 02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:19,199 site distance there too. So if you did plant along Middletown Road, have that 1613 02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:24,400 be something that would be lower. >> So the green giants 1614 02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:26,480 » they grow and you're never sight. >> I understand everybody thinks that. 1615 02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:29,760 However, we, you know, we're in landscape business, so we maintain them. 1616 02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:32,239 We can, we can bring as many pictures as we need to. Something we maintain for 1617 02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:36,079 year for our >> You may want to bring it back 1618 02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:40,000 » and we can also keep it at 12 14 ft high. Still too high. But if you sit in 1619 02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:42,079 your truck, you better be able to see out. 1620 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:45,119 » No, no, no. Meaning for privacy. So, it's not going to look like this giant 1621 02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:49,440 thing. Has nothing to do. Yeah. >> What I'm talking about is the side is 1622 02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:54,000 fine. It's It's on Middletown Road. If you're playing Queen Giant, everybody's 1623 02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:56,159 there. you you won't have any sight distance unless they're set back from 1624 02:14:55,599 --> 02:14:59,280 the road. >> Correct. At least six feet. 1625 02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:00,719 » Yeah. This way you can pull up and you can see either way. 1626 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,480 » Correct. >> But you had brought that up which was an 1627 02:15:02,639 --> 02:15:09,760 excellent idea, I think. And it would give a good look to the uh to the 1628 02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:14,400 property on the Middletown roadside. >> So that's what I'm trying to accomplish. 1629 02:15:11,599 --> 02:15:18,880 So, it's private enough, but it also doesn't look like because I realize it's 1630 02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:22,800 I believe it's an residential zoning there, even though there's a bunch of 1631 02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:28,079 commercial to keep that look. Isn't that Is that something you guys would prefer 1632 02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:31,079 versus just a plain fence? >> Well, 1633 02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:37,920 well, if you put the fence back six feet and you put vegetation in front of it, 1634 02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:42,880 something low growing to sort of make it look better 1635 02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:42,880 for a second. 1636 02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:50,560 Is there a sidewalk on the other side of the street? 1637 02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:54,480 » They ran out of money, so they only went to like King basically. 1638 02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:58,400 » No, no, even they come really next door to me. Like literally stops the building 1639 02:15:55,920 --> 02:16:01,840 next door to me. >> Right. 1640 02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:04,719 » On my latest rendering, which I didn't bring because I didn't want to bring the 1641 02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:08,800 last minute that I that I worked on this afternoon. It actually I just left it 1642 02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:12,960 alone for now. grass >> when that were to happen they can just 1643 02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:15,599 basically just remove the grass without damaging the trees 1644 02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:20,480 » right >> so what you're seeing there those are 1645 02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:24,880 the uh if you can go down whoever is using it yeah 1646 02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:28,800 » so either maybe put the fence behind the arboritis and then just push the 1647 02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:35,120 arboritis further back so have a strip of grass at least five or six feet that 1648 02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:37,280 if if and whenever they do the sidewalk >> right 1649 02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:40,639 » we're not back to square one to planting that would make more sense and it still 1650 02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:45,519 give you uh it give you the sight distance that you need. 1651 02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:49,120 It's it looks fairly good except I think pushing it back would make it especially 1652 02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:52,479 if there's going to be a sidewalk eventually. 1653 02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:57,439 Who knows in our lifetime but maybe there'll be a sidewalk but if not you 1654 02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:59,280 leave the grass there this way with snow and everything you're not losing 1655 02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:01,280 » correct >> your trees or anything and it's not 1656 02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:04,160 going to kill anything. >> And any plants that would be in front of 1657 02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:08,319 those arbors would be all perennials that we can cut back in winter. Yeah, 1658 02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:13,359 » it still gives it, you know, it's like a very fresh look, but it can get get back 1659 02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:16,800 cut back in winter. >> It's a 1660 02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:19,519 You're not going to do anything on the other side of the house. 1661 02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:23,280 » You mean in the frunk? No, it's currently residential. It's 1662 02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:28,080 » okay. So, that'll stay residential. >> Correct. And and and other than that, 1663 02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:33,679 there's a gate where the proposed garage is on the right side that gives access. 1664 02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:37,679 I would assume that you guys going to want me to shut that off so we don't 1665 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:41,679 have we don't have our trucks going into the the residential area. Correct. 1666 02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:44,840 » I don't think they can have Can they have two? 1667 02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:51,679 » It's two different purposes. The the front of the building is commercial. 1668 02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:54,080 » Back of the building is residential. Okay. 1669 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:57,359 » Are both of those addresses listed in the 911 system? 1670 02:17:55,280 --> 02:18:06,080 » So, great qu. So, I I made a call as soon as I left that day. 911 recognizes 1671 02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:12,000 182 which is interesting because 182 was added after 33 Mariana which is in the 1672 02:18:09,359 --> 02:18:16,319 front. So they said which I actually in fact we have a tenant moving in the 1673 02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:21,439 residential. I've I put a note that in case an emergency let them know it's 182 1674 02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:24,439 North Middletown but post office has two addresses. 1675 02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:30,880 So in other words, I had a mailbox in the in this side the other people have 1676 02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:35,840 in the front that will be moving in, you know, in the next few weeks or month. 1677 02:18:33,679 --> 02:18:41,280 And the mail is completely separate. It's just a 911 in case there's an 1678 02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:46,080 emergency. It's recognized as 182 North Middletown Road. 1679 02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:50,800 » Are they two separate lots? >> It is one lot. 1680 02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:54,000 » It's also one building. It was just split at some point. It's a split level 1681 02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:57,920 house. One side of the house is on one road. 1682 02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:59,599 The back of the house is on Middletown Road. 1683 02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:04,399 » No, I understand that. >> So, but they have two driveways. 1684 02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:07,359 » One coming out on Middletown, one going out on 1685 02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:12,080 » 911. [clears throat] What address are they going to look at? 1686 02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:14,080 » That's the problem. >> 182 1687 02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:16,960 » 182 Middletown. >> Yeah. 1688 02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:19,359 » I call Rockland County. I'm not I forgot what it's called the department but they 1689 02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:24,000 will give you that you [clears throat] know they they tag take the the map lot 1690 02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:26,319 the tax map whatever it's called right >> and they'll tell you how they recognize 1691 02:19:25,599 --> 02:19:29,599 it. >> Yeah. 1692 02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:33,880 » Is there a way to change it? I'm not sure. I I haven't asked that question. 1693 02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:41,240 » Yes, it is separate addresses. >> Correct. 1694 02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:53,200 Did you get a copy of the consult reports 1695 02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:56,800 » from uh yesterday? >> Okay. 1696 02:19:53,680 --> 02:20:01,120 » Yes, I did. Well, this will just go I've also consulted with an engineer that I'm 1697 02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:05,120 supposed to be meeting the near the next few days. 1698 02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:09,439 » Yeah. Let me just uh I got three three things here. Let me read them to record. 1699 02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:14,720 So, they're in the record. I have a letter from Orangetown Building 1700 02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:20,800 Department, Rick Oliver, August 7th, he has seven comments. 1701 02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:28,280 Orangetown DME Peters, August 21st has seven comments. And Orangetown Fire, 1702 02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:28,280 July 30th, we have two comments. 1703 02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:46,640 I think the biggest you were looking for respect to 1704 02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:50,800 this gate to push the fence back or so. >> Yes. 1705 02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:55,680 » And then behind the fence this way too if they do come through the sidewalk 1706 02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:59,319 » without having to destroy anything other than the grass. Correct. 1707 02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:07,160 » Yeah. They may or may not. 1708 02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:18,600 » Yeah, that's nice. 1709 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:40,319 » Has it been done where you can actually make that change on their end. 1710 02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:46,120 » I don't know. We have another same thing has two addresses. So, we haven't 1711 02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:46,120 approached that yet. 1712 02:21:54,399 --> 02:22:00,359 That's >> understand. 1713 02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:07,680 But it looks like a good project. >> Yeah, 1714 02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:11,520 » it's going to change the uh the look of the area, which is good. 1715 02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:17,600 » Can't hurt. >> And uh just with the paving that, you 1716 02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:22,080 got to look at the deme's comments because you're probably going to need a 1717 02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:25,040 oil water separator because you you're parking the trucks there. 1718 02:22:23,359 --> 02:22:28,000 » I actually printed something. I didn't I I thought he was going to be here. I 1719 02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,640 wasn't sure that if that's what he was referring to, 1720 02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:33,280 » probably. Yeah, you can give him a call on that. 1721 02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:38,240 » Oh, can I? Okay. To Bruce, right? >> Right. Yes. Okay. Ask him, you know, 1722 02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:42,800 what he specifically meant by that. And then you got to get some, you know, 1723 02:22:40,479 --> 02:22:49,280 survey or whatever to draw up your plans, separate plans for your uh 1724 02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:52,560 landscaping. Separate plans. And the buildings department give you it's a 1725 02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:55,880 check. It's a check off list, isn't it? Uh Audrey. 1726 02:22:56,160 --> 02:22:59,160 » Okay. 1727 02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:10,000 And if you comply with all those things, that makes the the process a much 1728 02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:11,600 speedier process once you come before the board, 1729 02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:15,280 » which is why I'm here because I'm trying to get as much information as I can so I 1730 02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:19,200 can pass it on to the engineer to anybody that needs it. that 1731 02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:24,560 » well that's a checkation and you give them the uh comments which you have so 1732 02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:28,560 far but the EM's ones if you get a lot of those knocked off that uh that'll 1733 02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:31,680 speed up the project but once you have most of the stuff done your plans and 1734 02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:36,800 everything done you go to the check off list then you can come to the planning 1735 02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:42,160 board to the builder's department to you know to put in for the permit and for 1736 02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:47,760 appearance before the board and I don't know if you need I don't think you need 1737 02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:51,520 any variances So that would to cut out the CBA. 1738 02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:55,920 So >> I'm not sure if that's a building 1739 02:23:52,960 --> 02:24:00,640 department question, but is there will the fence be required or is that just if 1740 02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:04,640 something I want to do? In other words, you see the gate that's there. Is that 1741 02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:07,760 something you guys would prefer with the building department or is that just 1742 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:11,120 totally optional? >> Well, the gate would have to be you'd 1743 02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:14,399 have to lock. >> Yeah, but if you're going to lock it, 1744 02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:16,640 you'd have the fire department would need a key or something. something like 1745 02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:19,840 that. >> I was I thought the fence was just 1746 02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:21,520 something you want. It's not something that's required by us, 1747 02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:23,760 » right? >> Yeah. But if 1748 02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:28,319 » I think for safety issue, you might want to do it. Just keep people out of it. 1749 02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:30,960 Although they can jump the fence if they want to. So, 1750 02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:34,960 » but you can put a a lock >> Well, not in forever. That's why. 1751 02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:39,040 » But you could put a lock box there where you where the fire department has access 1752 02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:41,920 to and then they can unlock the gate. Yeah. You could lock it in here 1753 02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:45,040 » because the way we would operate is it would be open all day long just shut at 1754 02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:47,359 the end of the >> and you would you be locked at night 1755 02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,840 time. >> Correct. Yeah. 1756 02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:53,680 » So there's your box that you can put there that the fire department has 1757 02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:55,840 access to that they can unlock and get in that way. 1758 02:24:54,319 --> 02:24:58,560 » Got it. In case an emergency, >> right? But it's something too that you 1759 02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:02,880 could talk to the fire department once you get approval and whatever that they 1760 02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:06,640 know there's a back entrance or something that makes it easier for them 1761 02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:09,200 when they uh respond to it. >> They have to. 1762 02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:13,359 » What kind of equipment you require? So, we have a small landscape company. It's 1763 02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:17,960 going to be pickup trucks, maybe mason dumps, 1764 02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:17,960 trailers. 1765 02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:24,479 » It's all small equipment, right? >> It's all small. Correct. Yeah. 1766 02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:29,120 » Because in the past, I thought it was like a limo. 1767 02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:33,520 » So, it was a limo and then it's plumbing. Was it plumbing business 1768 02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:41,240 operating out of there? It's currently still. That's how it is still. 1769 02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:41,240 Correct. Yeah. 1770 02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:56,439 No, you have nonable 1771 02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:01,160 gravel. 1772 02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:20,560 » You said it's 75%. I got it. So that is the reason the 1773 02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:23,520 proposed it says gravel. I thought only after that includes the front and the 1774 02:26:22,479 --> 02:26:28,960 back. >> Sure. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But 1775 02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:35,120 if some of those um sidewalks or driveways can be converted to permeable 1776 02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:40,240 pavers that will help >> the permeable pa which is a different 1777 02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:44,640 » no the because we've installed them which is with gravel base so the water 1778 02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:49,439 perks right through it and it's it's basically becomes a dry well. So the 1779 02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:53,840 they have like 316 gap we don't use sand. 1780 02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:56,840 » You would have to provide calculations. >> Okay. 1781 02:26:57,359 --> 02:27:03,560 » Sure. An engineer. So it's 75%. Got it. Okay. 1782 02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:17,920 » Yeah. Because I'm the grass, right? Correct. Yeah. That by default the 1783 02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:17,920 landscaping as well, right? 1784 02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:27,520 It's a good project that you know you might as well hope start off and 1785 02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:30,920 » thank you. >> Run with it, 1786 02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:39,000 » right? It's one whole lot. Okay. 1787 02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:48,800 Right. >> Okay. I think 1788 02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:53,760 » All right. >> Thank you for coming. 1789 02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:56,720 » Any questions department happy to help you as much as they can. 1790 02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:59,280 » Okay. Appreciate it. >> Okay. 1791 02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:02,520 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 1792 02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:09,120 » Do we have anything? >> What? What? 1793 02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:14,479 » July 22nd. >> Motion to approve July 22nd minutes as 1794 02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:18,880 approved. is corrected. >> Motion to approve July 22nd minutes as 1795 02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:20,560 amended. >> Second. 1796 02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:25,040 » Second. >> All in favor? 1797 02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:27,920 » I oppos. Anything else? >> Motion to adjurnn. 1798 02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:29,760 » Motion to adjurnn. Second. >> Second. 1799 02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:32,760 » All in favor? I >> oppos 1800 02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:38,319 26.