[0:48] I got to do that all over again.
>> Okay, first one is datab bank phase 2 uh
[0:54] PV25-2.
Uh I believe AKRF has some information
[0:59] for us.
[1:02] » Okay, sure. Um, so the applicant
submitted their draft scope and we
[1:09] submitted a red line and clean version
back to the board. Um, a lot of it was
[1:14] clarifications on certain aspects and
kind of just some typical secret
[1:19] language that we added in. Um, at this
time tonight, because it is still just a
[1:24] draft, we are asking that the board
refer it out to the involved and
[1:28] interested agencies. that way they can
come back and comments on the scope as
[1:33] well. And then we would also like to
hear any uh questions or comments from
[1:38] the board on the scope. And uh this
isn't the end of it as well. We're going
[1:43] to let me pull up the schedule real
quick.
[1:49] Um the game plan is to also set um
the public hearing
[2:01] for September 9th and then we'll also be
accepting written comments until
[2:06] September 14th. Um, so the board can we
can discuss any comments that you all
[2:11] have now, but it's not too late. If you
need to email us, we can discuss things
[2:16] further and keep editing. We have some
time. The goal is to adopt the final on
[2:23] 9:23.
Thank you. Um
[2:28] this is just a scoping session for the
board. There will be no public comment
[2:32] on this. This is basically for us to
agree and to vote on circulating all the
[2:38] comments to the public. So there will be
no public input on this at this time.
[2:42] Okay. Any questions or comments on this?
[2:48] » Okay. Mike, questions or comments?
>> Nothing at this time.
[2:52] » Okay. Thank you.
Any questions or comments?
[2:56] » Uh, no, not right now.
>> Okay. Questions or comments?
[3:00] » Gross. Questions or comments?
>> Okay. Um, can I have a vote from the
[3:05] board to circulate this for public
scoping session?
[3:11] » Motion to distribute the draft
scoping document to interested agencies.
[3:21] » Okay. Do I have a second?
All in favor?
[3:25] » Any opposed?
>> None. Okay. So be it. Thank you.
[3:31] » And then the second part would be I'm
not sure if you all want a motion to um
[3:36] set the public hearing for September
9th. I think isn't that up for the
[3:42] building department to set the meeting
>> between
[3:52] » Okay. Do I have a motion to set the
meeting for what was the date?
[3:55] » September 9th.
>> September.
[3:57] » September 9th for datab bank.
>> Motion to set public hearing for the
[4:01] scoping document for September 9th,
2026. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll
[4:07] second that. All in favor? Any opposed?
>> Okay, you have that. Okay, next item. If
[4:15] I can find this mess. Hold on just a
second.
[4:36] » Oh, I It's just a list. Okay.
[4:41] I think the next one
is
[4:47] a consultation for um
>> No, no,
[4:50] » no,
>> not that next page.
[4:52] » Huh?
>> It should be a third page.
[4:54] » I don't have third page.
>> Oh god.
[5:06] » Here. I got it here. That was that
event. Okay. The next is uh Beerus 7th
[5:12] Day Adventist Church
uh village of Nyak planning board site
[5:16] review. It's a general uh municipal law
referral.
[5:22] Is there any discussion on that? Um
they're looking for I think local
[5:29] » local amendment.
>> Any discussion Andy?
[5:34] » I have nothing. Mike,
>> nothing.
[5:39] Oh, okay. Thank you very much.
Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.
[5:45] » So, we want to refer this for local uh
motion to refer um
[5:56] the Sarah 7th Day Adventist Church
[clears throat]
[5:58] back to the village of Nyak. Uh local
determination.
[6:02] » Do I have a second?
>> Second. All in favor?
[6:06] » Any opposed? None. Okay. The next is
Gray resident site plan amendment again
[6:11] from the Gro planning board. Uh general
municipal law referral.
[6:17] Any discussion on that?
>> I have nothing.
[6:19] » Mike,
>> no comment.
[6:21] » Dave, Matt
Gross, nothing. Okay. Can I have a
[6:25] motion for local referral? Motion to
refer the GRA resident site plan as
[6:31] amended back to the village of uh NYAK a
local determination.
[6:36] » Thank you. Okay. Next is
>> second.
[6:39] » Second.
>> Okay. Do I have a second?
[6:41] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[6:43] » Oppos? None. Okay. Next is one vert
place seaw wall rehabilitation and stair
[6:49] access again the village of Nyak
planning board.
[6:54] » Discussion. Andy.
>> No.
[6:56] » Mike. No
back. No. Okay. Again.
[7:01] » Okay. Motion to refer one leva place
seaw wall rehabilitation stair access
[7:07] back to the village of Nyak planning
board for local determination. Okay. Do
[7:11] I have a second?
>> Second.
[7:13] » All in favor?
>> Opposed? None. Okay. Done. Okay.
[7:18] » Now we get down to business. Thank you
ladies and gentlemen.
[7:22] Okay. The first one if I can find it.
What's in this mess?
[7:27] » Yeah. Is it
>> Coing 30 Corporate Drive LLC site plan
[7:32] review PB 2622.
[7:48] » Glenn McCrad, engineer for the
applicant.
[7:51] G L E N MCC C R E D Y
[8:02] » Okay, Mr. Brder.
>> Yes.
[8:04] » What can I do you for, sir?
>> We are here for pre approval of an
[8:10] expansion of an existing building in
corporate park.
[8:18] We are here for the expansion of an
existing building in Corporate Park.
[8:23] » Okay. Thank you, sir. Um, let me go
through the consultants report.
[8:28] [clears throat] I have a letter from the
town of Orangetown
[8:32] ZBA Rick Oliver dated August 11th. He
has 15 comments. I have a letter from
[8:38] Orangetown DME Ruth Peters dated August
21st with 17 comments.
[8:45] I have a letter from Orangetown Fly Fire
dated July 31st. No comments. I have
[8:53] another letter from Orangetown Plan
Review Consultant Paul Daskki signed uh
[8:59] August 2nd, 2026 with three comments.
Orangetown drainage consultant Kier
[9:07] Engineering uh dated August 2nd, 2026
with four comments.
[9:13] » It's been it's been Excuse me.
>> There was a second letter from uh
[9:19] » the consultant.
>> I have another one coming. Okay. I have
[9:22] another letter from Orangetown Drainage
Consultant Cier dated August 11th.
[9:28] Uh which says not approved. 12 comments.
I have a letter from Rockland County
[9:33] Department of Planning dated August
11th. 12 comments. I have an email from
[9:39] Orange and Rockland Alpha Gaddy dated
August 1st. conflict. I have a referral
[9:46] sheet from Rockland County Department of
Planning dated July 13, 2026. Comments
[9:52] attached. I have a consent lead agent
letter from Rocklin County Planning
[9:58] dated July 23rd. The consent. I have a
short EAF form
[10:04] uh by the owner dated uh April 6, 2025.
And I have project narrative provided by
[10:12] Mr. Brener at the
Did you read the August 20th letter from
[10:17] the consultant? I sure can.
[10:28] Okay,
this is um August 20th from K August
[10:33] 20th, 2026 Ker engineering.
The above comments represented by our
[10:40] professional opinion and judgment but
may not necessarily in all cases reflect
[10:45] the opinion of the planning board.
Overall, the proposed storm water
[10:49] management plan meets the intent of the
regulations and therefore we recommend
[10:54] that the coning 30 corporate LLC site
plan be approved for drainage sub to the
[10:59] above project comments of which there
are four.
[11:02] » Okay. Thank you, sir.
[11:06] Any questions or comments?
>> Yeah, I'm looking at
[11:12] looking at your landscape plan. Um,
down towards towards the end of the
[11:20] driveway,
it looks like you're going to put some
[11:23] trees in around that turnaround and down
towards the back.
[11:29] » What kind of trees are there? I believe
we have sele
[11:35] comments for that.
>> Are they green giant after biting?
[11:38] » Yeah, the giant
ones that supposed to be de resistant.
[11:44] » Depends on how hungry they are.
>> I know.
[11:49] Um
>> All right. So, and then you have in the
[11:54] um the back corner on the left hand side
of the uh of the plan uh existing trees
[12:00] to remain all those other trees are
going to come out.
[12:03] » Yes, there be impacted by construction.
Yes.
[12:08] Some of which are right.
I'm sorry I hit my microphone. Oh, here
[12:13] it is.
>> What about the trees like down um down
[12:17] on the um on the property line there?
>> Uh there are a few that would be
[12:22] impacted that we're going to be
replanting in the same zone
[12:26] » uh just due to grading conflicts,
[12:30] » but you're not you should be showing
that on your on the
[12:33] » They're exed out. The ones that are
being taken out.
[12:35] » The ones that are taken out. But are you
going to replace any
[12:40] in the back there? Um at this time we
don't have anything proposed directly
[12:45] behind the building. Uh most of those
that are within the building envelope
[12:49] are being removed but the ones that are
outside the envelope are being
[12:51] protected.
>> Okay.
[12:56] » I don't have any further right now.
>> Questions comments.
[13:01] » Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um
the deme's uh comments of August 20th
[13:08] 1st of 2026.
Uh the first comment it talks about the
[13:13] difference between the underground
storage system and the above ground
[13:16] storage system and it was uh Bruce
Peters suggested that all proposed storm
[13:22] water management facilities shall be uh
the above ground system. What is the
[13:27] rationale that you're putting it
underground?
[13:30] » So there's there's I don't know if you
can hear me. Um so there's a few
[13:33] different rationale for um deciding on
the above ground or below ground
[13:39] infrastructure. Uh the number one
component would be how much disturbance
[13:43] is required to do the above ground uh
which is one detriment uh for this
[13:47] project considering the constraints to
the property line where the buildings
[13:51] are located existing buildings are
located. Um
[13:56] there's also other considerations about
um the the maintenance and the
[14:00] landscaping that are imposed as a
because of the above ground
[14:04] infrastructure. The ease for the
underground infrastructure is that it's
[14:08] protected from the elements. Um it's
easy it's relatively easy to maintain uh
[14:13] and it is allowable per the New York
State DEEC manual. So um although it is
[14:18] costly to install the future benefits
usually outweigh the benefits of the
[14:23] above ground facilities. However above
ground facilities do have their merits.
[14:28] Uh but in this instance because of the
constraints to the property line it's
[14:31] one thing that we took into
consideration.
[14:34] » Sure.
[14:46] Secondbody
[14:52] to speak on project.
[15:02] » Motion to close public portion. Second.
Second, please.
[15:05] » Second.
>> All in favor? Any opposed? None. Okay.
[15:10] » Motion for lead agent. Motion for lead
agency.
[15:13] » Do I have a second?
>> Second.
[15:16] » All in favor?
>> I none. Okay. Motion for neg.
[15:20] » Motion for Nick Deck.
>> Second.
[15:23] » Second. All favor.
>> I.
[15:26] » Any opposed? None.
>> I think the biggest thing is is the um
[15:31] the underground. And I think that you
worked it out, right? Um a motion for
[15:34] final with conditions.
>> Yes, Mr. Burn.
[15:38] » I don't think so. I think we have to go
to zoning board.
[15:43] » I think we have to go to zoning board.
So if you give us final subject to
[15:46] zoning board.
>> Okay. Motion for final uh subject to
[15:52] final approval from zoning board.
>> Motion. Are
[15:55] » we all right with that?
>> Okay.
[16:00] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> Motion. Motion for final subject to
[16:04] conditions and zoning board.
>> Zoning board's approval.
[16:09] Uh, let me go through the conditions.
Um, Orangetown ZBA, August 11th, 15
[16:17] comments. Orangetown DME, Bruce Peters,
August 21st, 17 comments. Orangetown
[16:24] Fire, uh, July 31st, no comments.
Orangetown Planning Consultant, Paul
[16:31] Gazki, August 2nd, three comments.
Orangetown drainage consultant Ker
[16:36] engineering
first of two letters August 2nd approved
[16:42] four comments. Um, Orangetown James
Consulting College Engineering. Uh,
[16:48] August 11th, not approved. 12 comments.
Rocker County August 20th. What the
[16:56] second?
>> Okay, I think it back was August 20th.
[16:58] The first one, the uh, Orangetown
Drainage Consultant, Ker Engineering,
[17:03] » the approval letter was on August 20th.
Can't be before the ground. Okay, fine.
[17:08] Thank you. Uh, Rockham County Department
of Planning, August 11th. comments
[17:15] and that's it.
[17:23] » I don't see
any any problems.
[17:28] I think I think we're good.
>> Okay. Do I have a second?
[17:31] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[17:33] » Opposed?
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[17:41] » I don't know. You guys are being too
good tonight. What's going on?
[17:46] [laughter]
[18:02] It's all yours.
>> Thank you, sir.
[18:05] » I'll be back.
>> Peter Stay, SK AE, uh 15 Corporate
[18:12] Drive, Orangeburg.
[18:16] » Yes.
[18:30] So, I apologize for the site plan mixup
last time, but I'm back.
[18:41] » We're all set.
[18:49] August
[18:54] 21st comy
30th no comments.
[19:24] I'm sorry, 2026.
[19:34] » I have nothing right now.
>> Thank you.
[19:37] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. public.
The short environmental assessment form
[19:43] dated uh May 20th to 26 states new
rooftop HVAC units and chillers. Your
[19:51] plan page one submitted for the meeting
shows two new chillers on the ground
[19:55] level southeast side of the building. Uh
where are the chillers going to be on
[20:00] the roof or on the
>> No, the chillers are on the side.
[20:02] There's a rooftop unit just on top of
the loading dock. A small
[20:05] » message rooftop unit.
>> It's added then. It's it's it's being
[20:09] added and it's it's actually shown on
all the mechanical plans.
[20:12] » Okay. All right. But this is the
conflict in the state. All right. So
[20:16] there's two on the ground and one above.
>> Correct.
[20:19] » Okay.
[20:29] » Okay. That's the only question I have
now. Thank you.
[20:42] Motion open public portion.
>> Do I have a second?
[20:44] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[20:46] » I
>> I
[20:47] » opposed. Okay. Anybody from the public
wish to speak on his project?
[20:51] One more time. Anybody from the public
wish to speak on his project? Hearing
[20:54] none. Motion to close.
>> Motion to close. Public motion.
[20:57] » Second.
>> Second.
[20:59] » All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Um,
>> got to read
[21:03] » motion for lead agent.
>> Did we do that already?
[21:07] » Did we do lead? I don't know if we did.
>> All right. Okay.
[21:11] » Motion for motion for lead agency.
>> Second.
[21:14] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[21:15] » I
>> oppose.
[21:18] Um, motion for neg.
>> Motion for neg.
[21:22] » Second.
>> Second.
[21:24] » All in favor?
>> Any oppose? None. [clears throat] Motion
[21:27] for final conditions.
Do we have
[21:32] » Okay. Does he still have to go to Aapore
or
[21:36] » I don't think this is the one.
>> Huh?
[21:38] » The Greek churches.
>> No, no. There's a
[21:41] » Do they have to go to Aore?
>> No. No. There's a comment, I think.
[21:46] » Yeah. Uh, building department number
two, aorean review and approval may be
[21:51] necessary. So, we can
>> we can we can wave it.
[21:58] We can wave it.
>> Okay. Motion to wave.
[22:09] » Uh I went to the IC for performance
already. That was already approved. Uh
[22:13] it's been approved for two or three
months. I don't know what
[22:18] what setbacks. I'm I'm not violating any
that I have anything that I need.
[22:25] » They're actually They're actually
further than the existing mechanical
[22:29] equipment outside. But that's
>> would the the new generator be a
[22:33] sideyard problem?
[22:37] » Rick, go at the top where the generator
is there. What's that? I think it looks
[22:41] like 46 ft.
>> 46.
[22:43] » I think you're required 50, isn't it?
Required 50.
[22:49] » Can we make that?
>> I don't know. Can we make that a
[22:52] condition?
>> Well, I can't. And I'm not going to I'm
[22:56] going to have to go to if needed to go
to zoning then for variance.
[22:59] » No, no, no. I'm just saying I'm trying
to avoid you coming back.
[23:05] » Is there a total sideyard?
>> There may be a total sideyard besides
[23:08] the
>> If there's a total sideyard, I don't
[23:11] think
>> Well, the generator is the only one
[23:13] that's encroaching. That's a 46 ft.
Everything else there is fine.
[23:18] » What's your total sideyard on the other
side? Is is it going to need a variance
[23:22] » for total also? total side yard. He go
back down again, Rick.
[23:27] » Right here. He's got
>> uh 132 ft
[23:32] » or close to it.
>> Right there. 132 ft. But that it goes
[23:36] in. But he's got only 46 here. And
that's the problem.
[23:40] » Yeah. But what I'm saying is total
sideyard both sides.
[23:43] » Yeah. Both sides of the building
>> is it, you know, like
[23:46] » But I think on the other side I think
he's he's fine because it's got to got
[23:51] to existing. They got to be added
>> when you add them.
[23:57] If it's a total sideyard of like let's
say 200 feet
[24:02] » and he's got 150 on one side he's got or
46 it make whatever makes up 200 feet
[24:09] should
>> total side 200 feet
[24:13] and so you have
>> I don't know is that is that is that
[24:17] what the zoning is
100 he's got 102 there
[24:20] » 30 the rear setback is 100 ft so you
have 103 to the building and the
[24:26] chillers
If you got variances for the other
[24:30] chillers, you still have to get a
variance for this.
[24:32] » So that's that's what it is. And what
they're saying is they're going to give
[24:35] you final and let you go with the
condition that you get the zoning
[24:38] approval, which will save you a big
step.
[24:40] » Sure. And I'm happy to do it. I guess
you know I rely on engineers and when
[24:44] when the engineers gave me they how they
said it to me was the setback is to the
[24:48] building, not to actually outdoor
equipment that supports the building.
[24:51] But that's obviously incorrect. So,
[24:56] so setbacks are actually any piece of
equipment that goes on a on a piece of
[25:00] That's interesting.
[25:06] » I know. Me, too. I don't want to see if
you don't have to come back. I don't
[25:11] want to see you come back.
>> It's It's up to Department right now.
[25:18] » I know we don't like doing it because
we're kind of almost setting a
[25:21] precedent.
But we're talking
[25:36] » So can I understand?
[25:41] » Can I can I ask a question? I just I
really genuinely want to learn. So the
[25:45] generator we're saying has to be 50 feet
from the property line. It's only 46.
[25:48] Right.
>> The chillers have to be 100 ft. Why
[25:52] wouldn't they play the same that they
only had to be 50 feet?
[25:55] » And what I don't understand, Rick, can
you go down to the bottom where the
[25:57] chillers are?
[26:01] Slide it over a little bit.
[26:05] Okay. These are the new two new
chillers.
[26:09] » Yes.
>> These are inside of what's here. This is
[26:12] existing.
[26:15] So why does he need a varian those two
chills. I think the only thing he needs
[26:20] variance for is to generate. So the way
the laws
[26:25] increase
[26:33] no I understand I just the rationality
being that these two are inside of what
[26:38] he already what's existing
[26:43] » well can I I just want to understand
that so the setback for a generator is
[26:46] only 50 ft but the chiller is 100 ft why
is the chiller different than the
[26:50] generator I would commercial
[26:58] » but I'm trying to understand if you're
talking about outdoor you know equipment
[27:01] that goes outside to support the
building is it does it vary by the type
[27:05] of equipment
[27:09] » and a chiller is not an appliance.
>> Okay.
[27:19] What's the distance on the other side?
>> 46
[27:32] technically
[27:39] it's commercial all the way both sides
of property.
[27:42] residential, which is understandable.
[28:10] » The only that we can do to
possibly move this along to ask
[28:19] for
those two right so you don't have to go
[28:23] back on a calendar that's what I'm
trying to do I was trying to avoid that
[28:26] if possible
[28:36] » but now does he have
preliminary does he have to go on the
[28:41] calendar rotation versus contin
[28:53] » I'm
>> all right.
[28:54] » I'm I'm I'm determined to get this
finished no matter how long it takes.
[28:58] » The board's trying to help you. The
board's trying to help you.
[29:01] » Yeah, I get it. No, I get it.
>> You know
[29:07] that we can do
ask to
[29:11] » yeah I would ask
is there any reason
[29:15] » wouldn't give him final just with the
condition he gets the variance so he
[29:18] doesn't have to come back
>> no this is what we're trying
[29:20] » yeah I would say let's let's go forward
with that
[29:22] » but again I had made the comment are we
setting precedent because we discussed
[29:27] this other applications
where you know should we and then we're
[29:33] worried about setting precedent
>> well usually we look at the degree of
[29:36] variance I mean these are fairly minor
varianes I I don't think you'll have any
[29:39] trouble getting and and that's why we we
do this. I think it's a good precedent
[29:42] for that for that matter. But there are
other things where there are larger
[29:46] variances and you know then we have them
come back.
[29:50] » All right.
I'd like to have a motion for final with
[29:55] a condition that the applicant gets from
ZBA.
[30:00] » Okay.
>> Mr. Chairman, I would just say subject
[30:04] to the ZBA approval
because um Phrasing it as a condition is
[30:10] um technically not right. I would say
subject to ZBA approval with all the
[30:14] other conditions that you're going to
talk about.
[30:16] » The rest of the conditions, but it's
subject to ZBA's approval.
[30:19] » Yes.
>> No question about it. Okay. You want to
[30:22] include
and
[30:25] Okay. Uh first thing is a motion to
waiver um a
[30:30] » motion to wave Aore.
>> Okay. Second.
[30:33] » Second.
>> All favor.
[30:35] » Any opposed? None. Okay. Motion for
final with condition which include that
[30:39] the applicant gets a final from ZBA for
the two variances that are required
[30:47] » along with other conditions
>> subject to
[30:52] » subject to ZBA approval. Any other
conditions are Orangetown DBA Rick
[30:58] Oliver August 5th nine comments.
Orangetown DME Bruce Peters August 21st
[31:05] one comment. Orangetown Fire July 31st
zero comments.
[31:12] Orangetown Planner Review Consultant
Paul Gazi August 2nd two comments.
[31:19] » Huh?
>> I thought we had that.
[31:32] Okay.
[31:40] » CBA approval.
>> CBA approval.
[31:44] » Okay.
Okay. I have a letter from Orangetown
[31:49] ZBME.
Yeah. Rick Oliver, August 5th, nine
[31:53] comments. Uh Orangetown DME Bruce
August 21st, one comment. Orangetown
[32:00] Fire, uh July 31st, zero comments.
Orangetown Planning Review, Paul DeAski.
[32:06] August 2nd, two comments. Orangetown
drainage consultant, Kier Engineering,
[32:12] approval, one comment. Okay. Do I have a
second?
[32:15] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[32:18] » Oppos?
[32:24] Okay. Uh Opposition 541.
Okay,
[32:32] you have a half an approval.
>> Closer. I'm getting there.
[32:37] » We'll just keep trying. So, thank you. I
really appreciate it.
[32:39] » All right. Thank you very much.
>> Yep.
[32:42] » Okay. Next one
is
[32:47] Greek Orthodox Church.
[33:04] tell us all your names, please.
>> Sure.
[33:08] » Hi, Justin Ferzano. College engineering
on behalf of the applicant.
[33:13] » Sure. F E R R A Z A N O.
Father Michael Palamera, the pastor of
[33:23] St. Constantine and Helen Greek Orthodox
Church. P A L A M A R A
[33:31] » Robert Noella N O C L L Act with SNS
Architects and Engineers.
[33:41] » Okay, gentlemen, what can I do to you
for?
[33:44] » Uh, hi. So, um, we were here before the
board about a month ago. Mhm.
[33:49] » Um we were received a drainage memo
right before the hearing. We have since
[33:54] addressed that. We appreciate uh
Audrey's help on expediting that for us.
[33:58] But on uh the 12th of August, we
received that approval. So um what we
[34:05] wanted to do, what we hope to do tonight
is give a brief uh uh explanation of the
[34:11] building by our architects and then
we're hoping to move forward with
[34:15] approvals if the board sees fit.
Yes, sir.
[34:20] » Excuse me. [clears throat] Good evening.
Um, I just briefly want to run through
[34:23] the uh expansion of the building. It's
an expansion to an existing Greek or
[34:28] Greek Orthodox church for the youth and
education community center. Uh, the main
[34:33] level, which is the uh street grade. Uh
the the expansion includes a parish
[34:38] priest's office, administrative office,
parish council room, a conference room,
[34:43] and an event space with warming kitchen
for parish events such as lectures or or
[34:47] large meetings. Uh the lower level will
be used to house the Sunday catechism
[34:53] classrooms. There'll be four of those. A
youth multi-purpose room, two nursery
[34:58] rooms, and the uh supported uh toilets
and uh facilities for such events.
[35:05] Uh the overall intent is to the addition
to match the existing architectural
[35:10] features. It's a modern Greek Orthodox
church design. Very simple white ephus
[35:15] and stucco um cladded building with some
blue coping accents at the roof line and
[35:22] a quarry stone water table which is the
base around the perimeter of the
[35:26] building. Um and there'll be arched
windows that are kind of replicated
[35:30] throughout the facility. Um I do have a
colored elevation Yeah.
[35:35] » Can we Sorry. Can we share the
architecture while he's talking? This is
[35:38] a civil site plans. He's explaining the
architecture. Just want to make sure
[35:42] that's up on the board.
>> Yeah. Do we have that?
[35:46] » They don't have to I don't believe they
have the colored. They have the floor
[35:48] plans, but I have a I have a new colored
elevation.
[35:50] » Do you mind if you do you mind if he
shows what he's explaining? Thanks.
[35:54] » So, I kind of just kind of just ran
through the plan and then started
[35:58] talking about the exterior design.
So you can see here on this uh drawing,
[36:04] we're going to call it D7.
The far left side of the plan is the
[36:10] existing church.
Um you can see with the existing arches,
[36:15] the white ephus/ stucco finish and some
blue coping. Um to area to the right,
[36:21] the lower lower building, that's the
expansion. And so again, we've we've
[36:25] mimicked the architectural features uh
to be consistent throughout the project
[36:29] and we've put in a stone base on the new
exhibition, but adding we're adding that
[36:35] to the existing facility as well. So now
you've got one big cohesive um facility
[36:40] that kind of blends seamlessly with each
other.
[36:51] Do you want to see the Do you want the
floor plan up to kind of walk through it
[36:53] or Okay.
>> Kind of interested in the outside.
[36:57] » Mhm.
>> I think we had an issue on the last
[37:01] meeting where
I think the attorney was here was
[37:06] looking to wack but at that time we
couldn't because we didn't have
[37:12] that's what we're looking for.
>> Okay.
[37:14] » So, yeah.
gave us an idea what's going on.
[37:18] » Correct. So, last time we wanted all the
approvals and and the waiver and we were
[37:23] deficient of that one drainage memo
which we're now complete and
[37:27] » hopefully
>> let me go through the consultant report.
[37:32] » Absolutely.
>> Okay. I have a letter from um Orangetown
[37:37] OP OPZ uh Rick Oliver August 5th 16
comments
[37:44] DME Bruce
August 21st 20 comments
[37:50] drainage consultant Samson dated uh
August 21st it's approved with four
[37:55] comments I have a short referred by uh
Jesse Copler
[38:03] July 29th
and I have a response letter prepared by
[38:06] Kier Engineering July 30th. Okay. Any
questions or comments?
[38:15] here.
There was a question about the site to
[38:20] uh the Palisad Parkway and I noticed
that I think on one of the plants you
[38:25] you put a note up there you're putting
up a fence in that back area to uh
[38:33] » there's an existing fence and I believe
we decided to install privacy slats to
[38:38] make it completely solid.
>> Okay. to block any um
[38:41] » along the along the
>> along the new parking spaces. Yeah,
[38:44] that's that's that label right there
that you could see up privacy slats. So
[38:48] that that gets installed onto the chain
link onto the onto the fence and that
[38:52] prevents any uh headlights from shining
through.
[38:55] » And that's going to how long is that
going to be?
[38:58] » The entire run of the new parking spaces
where those where
[39:01] » just where the parking
>> where the where the two arrows Yeah.
[39:04] where the two arrows are pointing.
That's the start and finish
[39:08] » along along the palisades.
>> Right here, the headlights,
[39:13] » right? Yeah.
>> Okay.
[39:14] » So, on the rendering,
>> on the rendering that you had of the
[39:18] front of the building, where is the
second story on here?
[39:23] » It looks like all one story, correct?
Yeah. So, so the second the upper level,
[39:28] if you will, is is at grade. So from if
you're standing on the main street
[39:32] looking towards the building, you're
looking at the upper level. The
[39:36] classrooms are it drops down because the
property drops off to the back. So the
[39:40] the lower level is really a kind of a
walk out if you want to describe it.
[39:44] » Okay. All right. I have nothing further
right now.
[39:47] » My question is
>> Yes. Do you have a rendering of the rear
[39:51] of the building?
>> We have the We do not have a colored
[39:56] rendering. We have the elevations that
were previously
[39:59] » you have a drawing of the rear of the
building.
[40:01] » Yeah.
[40:36] Okay. Sorry. Yeah. So, elevation uh
sheet D6 on the original sub.
[40:40] » All right. Now, what's the is the
architecture on the outside similar to
[40:46] the front?
>> Continuous around all all sides of the
[40:48] building. And you're going to have the
uh brick along the bottom in the back as
[40:51] as well as the front.
>> Correct. You have Y.
[40:53] » Okay. Um now when it goes out to uh the
fence, you're putting in slats, right?
[41:01] » What what's the color of the slats?
>> I said green, but I don't know.
[41:10] » I think I think we discuss we discussed
green, but if there's a preference, I
[41:16] think they have multitude of options.
>> Would you? Okay. Does that mean we're
[41:22] voting on the um on the architecture and
the the landscaping as in in lie of
[41:30] sending it to Akabore.
Uh that's why we've had renderings. Now
[41:35] on the landscape plan, I was looking at
that [clears throat] and
[41:41] uh one of the questions
I'm look looking at the landscaping plan
[41:47] is what plantings are we putting in
wall? All we doing is putting the slab
[41:52] plant are we planting anything back
there in addition?
[41:57] » I don't think so.
[42:01] » No, we didn't want to cover the the
stone. Um we're probably gonna have um
[42:05] less
>> he's asking by the by the privacy
[42:08] » slats the fence along.
>> No I think I think it was contemplated
[42:13] to try and block it with vegetation but
then we ultimately decided that the
[42:16] privacy slats are the most efficient way
to block the light because if you do all
[42:22] if you do shrubs and hedges you can you
can do that but some light might spill
[42:27] through. This is going to this is going
to completely block the headlights.
[42:30] » Okay. along the front. Uh
>> there's there is landscaping proposed um
[42:36] along the along the front facade there,
>> right? Are you talking about um most of
[42:41] it's going to be the
>> shrubs shrubs, ground cover and one
[42:45] ornamental tree?
>> Okay. The um variegated lily turf. Is
[42:50] that the one that's going to be going?
>> The lily turf is ground cover. That's
[42:54] that's ground cover. And then there's
some evergreen shrubs. And then there's
[43:00] a one there's one uh Japanese maple tree
>> that ground cover that's going all the
[43:05] way along the front on the street line
along the front by the of the building
[43:09] by the parking.
>> Yeah.
[43:11] » So it's it's annotated as a
>> Lim.
[43:17] » Yeah.
>> And you could see it's called out right
[43:20] kind of right in the front of the
>> Right. You have you have it along the
[43:23] street line. You have it along the uh
the parking areas. They have it along
[43:28] the back fence also.
That's what I'm looking at. There's 67
[43:32] of them.
Okay.
[43:37] Okay.
[43:45] Lighting plan. You're not proposing any
new lighting?
[43:49] » No.
>> Okay. So, the current lighting is
[43:51] sufficient.
>> We we upgraded like three years ago. Our
[43:55] our parking lot. So it's sufficient.
Yes.
[43:59] All
right. Now, um
[44:10] the ADA parking
uh on the reply from uh Kalas, it says
[44:18] uh discuss
deter uh discuss and determine the
[44:23] location of the ADA uh required spots
for the zoning officer.
[44:30] No, that's that's that's for us because
that's not a zoning issue. That's a
[44:37] thing. I think the the concern was that
you have one, two, three, four. You have
[44:44] five spots, but it's on the other side
of the driveway.
[44:47] » Mhm.
>> Am I correct?
[44:49] » Yeah. So the the ADA parking spaces have
to by law be the most accessible
[44:55] uh close to the means of
>> but it's a dangerous situation. They got
[45:00] to cross the uh the roadway there. Uh
now originally in your previous plans
[45:07] right next to the porch you had two ADA
spots there.
[45:12] You also had
uh
[45:16] I see around the others these two
>> right here. Those were ADA spots in the
[45:20] in the old building. Was there a reason
why they were changed and no longer ADA
[45:24] compliant spots?
>> Jesse said that he you know he was a
[45:30] striping thing that we could just stripe
it that way and he would he would
[45:34] comply.
[45:37] » We stripe those as ADA.
No issue striping what um what was
[45:41] requested.
>> We can make those ADA if that's a
[45:43] concern. Yeah.
>> Okay. So those would now become ADA
[45:47] spots.
>> Yeah. Um it would become one ADA spot in
[45:51] a in a drop off striping.
>> Okay.
[45:55] » You need eight feet for each 8 foot for
the space, 8 foot for the drop. Now, um
[46:01] because the uh looking at where you have
the ADA parking, those spots are not too
[46:07] they're not large enough.
>> I see that.
[46:09] » What I'm um suggesting was just looking
at it, you have another ADA spot as you
[46:16] go by the electrical box.
>> Mhm. I see that.
[46:19] » Now, we have one spot there. Uh there's
no sidewalk there.
[46:24] » There is there appears to be next to the
drop off. You're talking about the ADA
[46:29] spot that's by itself with the striping
next to it.
[46:32] » Um,
not by the p the porch. No, not the por.
[46:36] Oh, yeah. I'm talking about that spot
there.
[46:38] » What about this one? Right.
>> Yeah.
[46:39] » So, this this looks like a sidewalk
right here.
[46:41] » Sidewalk. This starts right at the spot
there.
[46:43] » So, you drop off, you get out in the
striped area, and you have direct access
[46:47] to the sidewalk that brings you around.
Um
[46:51] was wouldn't it be well it's a
recommendation to uh move the ADA spots
[46:57] over to this location and put in a a
sidewalk there so they could comply
[47:03] without going out to the street.
>> This is this is sidewalk here.
[47:06] » Yeah. No, no talking right
next to next to the one that they have
[47:12] there. So
>> thank you.
[47:15] Other words, right now you have one ADA
spot here, right?
[47:20] » Would it be possible to extend the
sidewalk out and put all your ADA spots
[47:26] here?
>> This way, nobody has to cross the
[47:28] street.
>> These spots could become regular spots.
[47:31] » It depends. That looks a little steep
there.
[47:36] » You see topography, but
>> Yeah, they're most likely they're
[47:39] located where they are because that's a
nice flat area of the parking.
[47:42] » Yeah, but it's
>> right there. But it's it doesn't uh
[47:47] it's not as safe as it should be.
There's no sidewalk there
[47:51] » on the bottom on the bottom by the uh
the loop um closer to the palisafes. Um
[47:56] this is where most of um our elderly
park
[48:00] » back here
>> back. Yeah. Well, those are those are
[48:02] new spots, but do you see the three
little spots um opposite them
[48:07] » towards the new building to the right?
>> To the right.
[48:09] » The back of the building.
>> There's a circle.
[48:11] » Come over towards the right. Yeah, those
>> those um because we have the elevator,
[48:14] most come in through that um through
that those entrances actually right
[48:19] there and it's it's very lightly
trafficked anyway.
[48:23] » So,
>> is there is there a sideway access right
[48:25] there that we can stripe the middle and
make that two ADA spaces?
[48:29] » They could share the stripe in the
middle.
[48:32] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[48:33] » Like that idea.
>> That's a nice flat area. We could do
[48:36] that. I think that's a better solution.
And that way you'll give that way we'll
[48:39] have access to the park.
[48:44] That way if someone
makes their way down there by accident,
[48:48] they still have an opportunity to have
accessible entry.
[48:51] » They said become two ADAs there.
>> Yeah.
[48:54] » What was the uh I forget the
requirement. Was it six or eight spots?
[48:58] » I believe six.
>> So one
[49:05] » that's four.
You just need two more spots.
[49:13] » You put them next to that one that's by
itself and just extend the uh sidewalk.
[49:19] » Yeah. They're saying though, that's
where
[49:23] » Well,
>> well, I'm sorry. Here. I think I think I
[49:25] have a solution. If if you
>> Yeah. Oh, go back. Okay.
[49:29] So if I was if I was making this ADA
compliant, what I would do,
[49:35] sorry, is I would stripe this.
>> Yes.
[49:38] » One, two.
>> This stays three. And then I would
[49:42] stripe this one and this one. I have
four, five, six.
[49:46] » Well, no. If you use those other two
spots next to the porch.
[49:50] » Well, yeah. Or or Yeah. Or or we could
also put
[49:53] » one there.
>> Have seven. We could do seven then.
[49:59] If you put two up there, what about
putting two in here? You still have the
[50:03] uh
>> No, I I don't think there's a
[50:06] » I don't know.
>> There's a there's a little
[50:07] » You'd have to walk around. That would be
on the right. On the right, they could
[50:12] access it relatively easy.
>> Walk all the way up here then to get all
[50:15] the way.
>> You see those stairs there?
[50:17] » All the way to the right um is a
relatively easy access, especially with
[50:21] the new building that's going to be
fixed up um along the road. um will be
[50:27] you know much more accessible but we
didn't have that planned as ADA but it
[50:32] could be
>> what you talking about that lowest that
[50:35] lower level down there
>> so let's do this here let's do this
[50:38] we'll do stripe this and stripe this one
that gives us one two three we have four
[50:45] » right
>> we'll do one here with a stripe and then
[50:49] we'll do six
>> you could do two up there in that spot
[50:53] at the back
>> we can but we don't need to we need six
[50:55] All right. So, we're going to do one,
two, three, four, five.
[50:58] » That have to cross the street to
>> Well, one less one less here.
[51:01] » Yeah. So, you have two up there.
>> Okay. One we have there.
[51:05] » Three.
>> You have one there. That's four. So, you
[51:07] need two there.
>> Yeah, I think that works.
[51:22] » I just mark it up for you.
[51:28] I'll leave it here.
>> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
[51:31] » Okay.
>> Yeah. If I can add as a legal adviser as
[51:33] well, I mean, if you're going to grant
final, you need to see it and approve as
[51:39] modified. So,
>> before they vote, mark up something
[51:43] reflecting everything that was just
said. Absolutely. Because I think the
[51:46] people taking notes here, you're saying
there, there there's
[51:50] taking notes. I know.
>> I I'll mark it up and then he can
[51:54] » Let's have something marked up and you
vote on what's marked up.
[51:57] » Okay. So the the two in the back,
there's three spots there now. That
[52:02] would be made two spots. Correct.
>> Correct.
[52:05] » Then the next one would be you still
leave the one where it was. The one next
[52:09] to the porch would become one spot.
>> Correct.
[52:12] » Correct.
>> Two by itself would become one.
[52:15] » Right. So that's four spots. And then
you'd put two on the other where you
[52:19] have the five spots. Now you make 2 ADA.
[52:33] That will give us six.
[52:52] » Today is
>> Let's just make sure. Let me add middle
[52:54] laser just for a second.
>> Of course.
[52:58] » So, what we're talking about is this is
going to become two
[53:01] » striping. This is going to become one
with striping, right?
[53:06] » This is going to become one. That'll
stay. That'll stay the way it is.
[53:09] » This is going to become two striping,
>> right?
[53:19] » Just signed it.
>> One, one, two, two.
[53:22] » That's it.
>> Okay. Okay. It sounds good.
[53:24] » Love it. Pass it on down.
[53:36] Um, thank you. That's all the questions
I have at this time.
[53:39] » Thank you, sir.
>> Questions?
[53:41] » Can I see the uh the rendering?
I was just looking at the current
[53:46] picture of the structure right now. So,
it's the it's currently white and has
[53:51] blue, I guess, accents. The facade.
>> You said something about stone.
[53:57] » Okay. All right. So the the facade what
it is currently now the new structure is
[54:01] going to have the same coloring. It's
going to look like it's all inclusive
[54:04] all same color same build. It's going to
wrap around all the way.
[54:07] » Yep. The only thing that the existing
building tower
[54:15] off
[54:24] » and it'll be consistent on all four.
>> All right. Thank you.
[54:28] M.
>> Yeah. And so you mentioned the coping
[54:32] would be in blue.
>> Yeah. So at the at the top of the roof,
[54:35] the metal coping that's one that's kind
of a kind of Greek blue, if you will.
[54:40] » Like a real blue.
>> Yeah. Blue.
[54:41] » Yeah. And uh the doors are going to
match existing. What do you
[54:47] » Yeah, these are these are would be
>> Yeah, we we already have the blue coping
[54:52] on the current building, so it's to
match. And the doors are wood doors with
[54:56] like insets like this. It doesn't show
it there, but they're they're like this.
[55:00] » They'll be raised panel
>> raised panel to match existing. And then
[55:04] the the window trim, the mullions are
>> there'll be a clear anodiz which is kind
[55:08] of a matte silver.
>> Okay.
[55:11] » We currently have it on
um and it's just going to m and the
[55:16] sides of the church it'll just match
those.
[55:18] » And on the rear elevations, the same
>> we same. You're gonna continue the same
[55:23] the same treatment on all sides. It's
not like
[55:26] » not just
the back is you know plywood or what?
[55:30] » Yeah. No, I just think because if we're
waving aore if we are potentially waving
[55:34] a we might as well ask theore question.
>> That's a great question.
[55:38] » And then the landscape I understand the
you're going to keep it a spare
[55:42] landscaping just to
>> allow the stone and the
[55:47] » building
>> stucco to sing. Um and so there's Not
[55:52] really a landscape plan above and beyond
what you were suggesting.
[55:56] » Just a few shrubs. Yes. And keeping was
there.
[55:59] » Correct.
>> This this was always like planned,
[56:02] remember from like the building of the
original structure. Yeah.
[56:05] » So that's why it kind of was even the
lighting that we originally installed
[56:09] with that parking was in mind with this
eventually coming.
[56:13] » So that's that's why. Well, it's a
little bit it's about half the size we
[56:16] planned, but
>> And then the fence, you're not you're
[56:20] not expanding the fence. It's just the
existing fence that we're just getting
[56:23] the green slats
>> slats in the slats. Yeah, correct.
[56:26] » Yeah, I mean I think it looks great. Um,
so I don't have any other question.
[56:31] » Thank you.
>> Yeah,
[56:36] one of our founders
[56:40] motion public
>> motion to open public portion.
[56:45] » Second.
>> Second.
[56:46] » All in favor? I.
>> Anybody from the public wish to speak on
[56:50] this?
One more time. Anybody from the public
[56:53] wish to speak on this? Hearing none. A
motion to close.
[56:56] » Motion to close.
>> Second.
[56:59] » All in favor?
>> Okay. Um,
[57:06] a motion to um
[57:13] » I don't know the words to not let them
go to aore motion to uh
[57:18] » wave
>> wave
[57:19] » wave aore you have to ask for it. Do me
a favor. We would like to wave back or
[57:23] request a waiver from Aabore.
>> Motion to wave Abor
[57:26] » because we have reviewed the plans.
>> And approve the plans as given. Okay. Do
[57:33] I have a second on that?
>> Second.
[57:35] » Okay. All favor.
>> I.
[57:37] » Any opposed?
>> Okay.
[57:40] » Motion to wave lighting plan.
>> You probably should do SRA first.
[57:45] » Add that.
>> Do Sra first.
[57:46] » Okay.
>> We'll add that in. This is a condition
[57:49] that they put in the new parking as
corrected.
[57:52] » Oh, no. The sufficient
>> they're not adding any
[57:57] » the change
>> lighting. I'm talking about lighting.
[58:00] » Oh, the lighting. That's Yeah.
>> Okay.
[58:03] » Did we do lead agency last time?
>> Okay.
[58:08] » Okay. Motion for lead agency.
>> Second.
[58:12] » All in favor? I.
>> Motion for neg.
[58:14] » Motion for neg.
>> Second.
[58:16] » Second.
>> All in favor? I opposed none. Motion for
[58:20] final with commissions.
[58:25] » Okay. Uh we back so that's not an issue.
Okay. The other concerns are okay. Town
[58:32] of um building department Rick Oliver
August 5th has 16 comments.
[58:37] Town DMD Bruce Peters August 21st has 20
comments.
[58:42] Orange Town Drainage Consultant Weston
Samson
[58:46] uh dated August 12th. It's approved with
four comments
[58:52] and that's it. Okay,
>> Mr. Chairman, I would also note that ADA
[58:57] parking as reflected on the markedup
plan that was submitted at the meeting.
[59:02] » Okay. The applicant has agreed to change
the ADA parking as to the plan that he
[59:11] drew up and submitted to building
department as of this date.
[59:17] » Okay. Any other there be a motion to
accept the plan for the change in the
[59:24] ADA parking as uh approved by the uh
>> applicant and signed.
[59:32] I don't know if we need that. But
>> yeah, I made the motion.
[59:35] » Okay.
All
[59:38] » favor.
[59:44] » Right.
>> Yeah.
[59:46] » Okay. Motion to wave a lighting plan.
The current lighting is sufficient to uh
[59:52] light the uh area.
>> Not being modified.
[59:55] » Not being modified. Second.
>> All in favor?
[59:58] » I none. Anything else?
>> Okay. Do we have to make some statements
[1:00:04] on the um what we're approving as far as
the architectural details?
[1:00:09] » So,
[1:00:21] Okay.
>> Yeah. As presented.
[1:00:23] » Okay. Motion to accept the architectural
details and landscaping as uh presented
[1:00:29] by the applicant.
>> Second.
[1:00:32] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:00:33] » I
think we're done. Are we done?
[1:00:38] » Anything else?
>> So, Bruce Bruce motion final.
[1:00:41] » I don't think any I don't think you
second or voted on it.
[1:00:44] Andy
>> somebody.
[1:00:49] » No, you jumped.
>> Second.
[1:00:51] » Do I have a second for?
>> Okay. All favor? I. Any opposed? None.
[1:00:56] » Okay,
>> now we're good.
[1:00:57] » Now we're done.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[1:00:59] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you very much. God bless you.
[1:01:01] » Have a good night.
>> Thank you.
[1:01:03] » Good luck.
[1:01:08] » Okay.
[1:01:13] Next one is
228 South Boulevard site plant. Mr.
[1:01:19] Brener, fancy meeting you here.
>> He had his yeses. He doesn't get any
[1:01:24] more now.
[1:01:41] Mike Khesi, engineer for the applicant.
[1:01:52] » The expansion of the commercial building
subject getting the tools zoning board.
[1:02:00] Um, do I need a resolution waving
packable?
[1:02:07] All he's doing is just putting the same
with the same material.
[1:02:13] » We
do
[1:02:16] that.
[1:02:30] » Yeah. No, not 15 court. 30 the one I was
there.
[1:02:37] » Well, I'm asking for it now because I
thought basically when you get the final
[1:02:41] it was like automatic, but I saw that
they asked for a special resolution. So,
[1:02:46] I am requesting
that resolution.
[1:02:58] It's It's same building, same box.
At the back of it is the Orangetown SL
[1:03:05] treatment entirely.
>> Well, I just want to make sure legally
[1:03:09] we're okay.
[1:03:12] » If the board wants I I don't know what
the board wants to do, but I'm just
[1:03:15] saying
[1:03:25] No, there's actually no public comments.
[1:03:30] » And he did state the trees that you
wanted if you remember correctly.
[1:03:34] » So, we should go ahead and ask he's
going to ask for a wave. We should
[1:03:39] granted or not granted
>> or reopen.
[1:03:42] » Motion to reopen 30 corporate drive.
>> Second.
[1:03:47] » All in favor? I done uh a motion to Oh,
Mr. P, you have to ask what you asking
[1:03:55] to do.
>> Requesting a motion that we wave
[1:03:57] appearance before Rakavore.
>> What reason, sir?
[1:04:01] » Reason is that it's the same building,
same material. It's going to be on it's
[1:04:05] a warehouse. We talked about the trees
around the building
[1:04:09] when the M Mr. uh
I'm in great shape. Was it not Mr.
[1:04:16] Mandel? Mr.
Andy. Okay. And Andy requested that um
[1:04:22] certain trees be planted, the Carnic
tree be planted, and the back of the uh
[1:04:27] is the sewage treatment plant town of
Orangetown.
[1:04:35] Applicant is asking for a waiver going
back to
[1:04:41] Did you get all those notes?
>> Good.
[1:04:47] Motion to wave Abora
>> for 30
[1:04:52] 30 corporate drive. Do I have a second?
>> Second.
[1:04:56] » All in favor?
>> Okay. So,
[1:04:59] » okay. Now, which one are we taking?
>> 228.
[1:05:12] » Too many papers over here.
[1:05:26] Yes.
[1:05:57] Are you waiting for me?
>> Yes, sir.
[1:05:58] » Oh, sorry.
>> I don't know what you want.
[1:06:02] » One final.
>> We We We appeared before a
[1:06:06] » Well, you got to talk to me.
>> We appeared We we appeared before your
[1:06:10] boy. We got preliminary. Then we went to
Akabore. We appear before Aabore for all
[1:06:15] four of the items we've taken. This one
got approval from Akabore
[1:06:21] from the Aabore board and now we're here
for final.
[1:06:24] » Okay, let me go through the consultant
reports and we'll see what we can do for
[1:06:29] you. Let me get through some of this
paperwork.
[1:06:36] Okay.
I have a letter from building department
[1:06:41] Rick Oliver dated August 6th with 12
comments.
[1:06:46] I have a letter from Orangetown BME
Peters dated August 21st nine comments.
[1:06:53] I have a letter from Warstown Fire dated
July 31st. One comment. I have a letter
[1:07:00] from Warstown
plan review Paul Gansky dated August
[1:07:05] second. with three comments. I have a
letter from town drainage consultant
[1:07:10] Weston and Samson dated August 6th which
says approved with two comments. I have
[1:07:17] a short EAF sign Aaron Sass dated May
28th 26 project narrative from Mr. Ber
[1:07:26] at the time of the application.
[1:07:30] » Oh
no I screwed up. I'm sorry.
[1:07:36] Yeah,
[1:07:39] » we'll do I'm gonna screw everybody up.
214 I read it all in
[1:07:47] Mr. Bren
[1:07:52] first. What's the difference?
[1:07:58] » Okay, questions or comments?
[1:08:10] So
refresh my memory. Why is Mr. Brener
[1:08:15] back?
>> Because he didn't give me finals.
[1:08:20] » Okay.
I have nothing right now.
[1:08:24] » Okay.
>> Any questions?
[1:08:27] » Yeah, several questions. Um
going back to the preliminary uh
[1:08:32] decision that we gave you on April 15 to
26 on page 8 to 16. Number two, height
[1:08:39] of retaining walls. This is variable on
the plan still. Number three, air
[1:08:45] plantings on ement area on the south
side not shown on the plans. Is there a
[1:08:51] reason for that?
>> We uh we put a separate on sheet 208
[1:08:56] with a separate retaining wall.
like we've discussed.
[1:09:04] » It gives you the height of the walls.
>> You just have to subract.
[1:09:07] » No, no, it says you got to height of the
walls.
[1:09:11] » Okay.
[1:09:16] » We did do a separate plan as requested.
We did put the spot elevations, not the
[1:09:20] heights. The heights also are subject to
change based on
[1:09:24] » I know it's variable, but we did ask for
the heights.
[1:09:28] the top and bottom sufficient but we can
add that to that detail that's not
[1:09:39] » okay and the plantings uh number three
we said they're plantings to the
[1:09:45] easement
>> sorry
[1:09:50] the conservation easement what plans we
looking at the ones from 415 still or
[1:09:56] the
We did call out the plans for the plant
[1:10:00] within the conservation
the species type in
[1:10:05] the bottom planting schedule.
We also were hoping to be able to put in
[1:10:13] the field
[1:10:17] location because we didn't want to
potentially have a problem with anybody.
[1:10:24] because it uh that's what we asked for
and that was how the condition was
[1:10:28] written to put it show with it in the
conservation ement. We added we added it
[1:10:33] to the planting schedule at the bottom
trees for conservation
[1:10:39] types of we have
which page this I'm sorry this is page
[1:10:45] five
[1:10:52] you show I see the planting schedule up
there uh
[1:10:57] something
[1:11:01] If you read note number four, proposed
tree location within conservation
[1:11:05] located within with town representatives
to determine the best location trees
[1:11:11] with regards to the tree health and the
neighboring property.
[1:11:16] That's number five in the planting.
>> Is that something that the town does go
[1:11:20] out and help them plant?
>> Well, this is kind of unique. This
[1:11:25] project is unique.
thought it's the wise thing to do
[1:11:29] because of what we inherited
[1:11:35] » to have a comment from the building
department.
[1:11:37] » I would say it's very unusual but uh if
the building department is willing to uh
[1:11:43] go along with that
>> so I mean you're calling for someone
[1:11:47] from the building department to go out
with you and pick the locations
[1:11:49] » but we will st it I'm assuming they
would just simply st the tree locations
[1:11:54] prior to them being installed if they
appropriate. We just didn't we're not
[1:11:58] located everybody's house, everybody's
deck, anything that they have on the
[1:12:02] adjacent property. We just didn't want
to put them in a spot on the plans that
[1:12:07] we would have one of the neighbors.
>> So, if you want, I can put them on the
[1:12:11] plans. That's not a problem. But once
again I can't say that they would be in
[1:12:14] the best location suited suited as per
you know as per not only the the
[1:12:20] conditions of this conservation ement
but the condition the the view sheds of
[1:12:25] the neighbors but that would be the
function of an arborist
[1:12:31] landscape architect.
>> Yeah
[1:12:33] » I don't think we have any landscape
architects in the building department
[1:12:36] that I know. Nope.
>> We can show them on the plan.
[1:12:45] » It's just that there were conditions
from the last meeting that we asked to
[1:12:49] be done.
>> We were just concerned about the
[1:12:51] neighbors.
>> That's fine, but it's you should have a
[1:12:54] landscape architect. Now the and the
other thing is that it goes for 214. and
[1:13:00] also goes for 220
228
[1:13:04] is DEM's number one plan still depicts
the road widening easement along South
[1:13:09] Boulevard. However, the town cannot
accept the road widening easement. The
[1:13:14] widening must be dedicated. The road
widening shall be correctly labeled and
[1:13:19] all drawings in detail with full mets
and balance of the widening shall be
[1:13:23] added to the drawings. Lastly, a formal
road widening deed shall be submitted to
[1:13:28] this department. any attorney's office
for review and approval
[1:13:31] » that that we will agree to. We usually
give easements or dedication. We don't
[1:13:38] have a problem. We can make the
dedication.
[1:13:40] » Well, the the thing is these roading
easements, it'll also affect now your
[1:13:45] front yard setback. So, these lots were
predetermined by the village of South N.
[1:13:51] They took them as ements, I believe, not
to get rid of their front yards,
[1:13:57] right? Because right now, you
214.
[1:14:00] The front yard to the porch is 20.8 ft
from the property line. But if you take
[1:14:05] the ement of 11 ft, now you're going to
have 9 ft. And these easements have
[1:14:10] already been filed and recorded
as part of the original subdivision and
[1:14:17] not anything that we've done.
So to abolish the ement, make it a
[1:14:23] dedication. Now you're going to have a 9
foot front yard.
[1:14:28] the front porch plus approximately 9.
[1:14:36] Now we we have other properties even in
Orangetown which have the same
[1:14:40] situation.
We goes way back when we have Cam Shanks
[1:14:45] when they dedicated certain areas. We
have the White Street and Independence
[1:14:49] Avenue where it comes up to around 10 ft
from the house. So I think what's being
[1:14:56] said Basically, we're dedicating the
easement and we're keeping the easement
[1:15:03] so that we can keep that
where the living South K wants the
[1:15:07] building to be.
We didn't create the situation. We
[1:15:11] inherited the situation. I think that's
the best way of handling it because um
[1:15:16] and it has it's a precedent has been
done before. You go right up independent
[1:15:21] s.
>> It was well before my time. Well, I know
[1:15:24] you know was before mine, too. But I I
did research it.
[1:15:30] » So, I'm sorry, Mr. Mando. Is that uh Mr.
Dean's letter saying that?
[1:15:35] » Well, that's uh
um Bruce's
[1:15:40] » and and what does Bruce say? What does
Mr. Peter say?
[1:15:44] » He's saying uh how he reads I'll read it
back. Quote, "The plan still depicts a
[1:15:49] road widening east middle along South
Boulevard. However, the town cannot
[1:15:53] accept the road widening easement. The
widening must be dedicated. The road
[1:15:57] widening shall be correctly labeled on
all drawings and the detail with fulls
[1:16:03] and bounds of the widening shall be
added to the drawings. Lastly, a formal
[1:16:08] road widening deed shall be submitted to
this department and town attorney's
[1:16:12] office for review and approval.
>> That's on two lots.
[1:16:16] » Did m Did Mr. Dean have any comment? I
mean that really is his purview.
[1:16:22] » No.
>> Okay. I think the issue though is um
[1:16:26] again that's highway's purview, not so
much dee.
[1:16:30] But Mr. Peters is probably right. It's
not going to be a public road ever
[1:16:34] unless that's accomplished.
>> Are they on a main state? It's a public
[1:16:40] road right now.
>> Oh, it is listed as a public road.
[1:16:44] » This is South Boulevard.
>> Okay.
[1:16:46] » And and the problem is where these I
don't know what they planned in the
[1:16:49] future when they did the original
subdivision, but they're, let's say,
[1:16:53] they're basically landlocked. You have
separate ownership on both sides. So,
[1:16:57] you would need either a taking by the
town or additional easements to do any
[1:17:01] improvements to South Boulevard.
So, the these these were filed. The
[1:17:06] meets and bounds from the file map is
shown on the plot plan for a lot. So,
[1:17:11] the these easements were already
accepted once by South Nyak. Yeah, I
[1:17:16] think this is one of those problems
where South NY with the way they handled
[1:17:20] the subdivision, we're kind of locked
into um having things the way they are.
[1:17:25] » A burden on us now. What do we do with
it?
[1:17:30] » I mean um
>> it is a registered street. It is a if
[1:17:34] you look at the the state map is a
registered street called South Nike reg.
[1:17:41] So the town is not being penalized in
any way. It is a registered street.
[1:17:46] Well, we told we would do it times where
we had to finish it off. I think not all
[1:17:51] of them were finished off.
>> No, no, that's that's the other roads
[1:17:53] that you have will.
[1:17:58] But this here on south is an existing
road. It always been an has been an
[1:18:03] existing road. These easements at the
time of the original subdivision were
[1:18:09] were accepted by the village of South N.
I I don't know what you could do with
[1:18:15] it. I don't know what it what a how a
dedication of it would even benefit the
[1:18:19] town. You have the easement now for road
widening purposes. That was the purpose
[1:18:23] of the easement
>> and this is on the state register as
[1:18:27] being state being an accepted road.
>> Yeah, I would say um it's up to this
[1:18:36] board. Um you don't have to make Bruce
Peters that one comment by Mr. Peter's a
[1:18:43] condition you know and I would say given
the history of this and the fact that
[1:18:48] the subdivision was approved as it is it
is a public road the easement was
[1:18:53] required and it was filed
>> because normally we don't as you know we
[1:18:58] take our consultants we don't
you know override them that's why we're
[1:19:03] looking at help from you
>> right
[1:19:06] » want to do the right things
>> and again the only um condition that you
[1:19:11] ever have to override ride. That's a
technical term is the county planning
[1:19:15] your own Orangetown people. You don't
override. You have perfect authority to
[1:19:21] accept or not accept any of their
proposed conditions.
[1:19:24] » Is what I'm trying to say. So what
the applicant is coming up with and what
[1:19:30] what
Peters is saying is kind of two
[1:19:34] different things.
>> Mr. Brener, if I can ask you, is there a
[1:19:37] reason you can't
um offer the dedication? Is there reason
[1:19:42] » if we like it was explained if we
dedicate
[1:19:46] then that moves the line so that the
front yard is going to be what's
[1:19:52] approximately 9 ft 9 ft and that cont's
[1:20:09] discretion what you I think is
appropriate.
[1:20:13] I mean, I if Mr. Dean wanted a
dedication and wanted to widen the road,
[1:20:19] I would say that would be one reason we
would it would make sense to ask for a
[1:20:22] dedication, but Mr. Dean apparently is
not asking for that and is not going to
[1:20:27] widen it. So,
>> since I've been on the board, the
[1:20:31] highway department has really never
given us any direction.
[1:20:35] Well, I guess part of the problem is
this is a site plan approval and that
[1:20:39] would have been done. You know, Jim
would have made those Mr. Dean would
[1:20:42] have made those requirements as part of
the subdivision and he would not have
[1:20:46] asked for a easement. He would have
asked for the dedication
[1:20:53] and this has been done. This is has been
done on in situations like this because
[1:20:59] this is a listed road in the states.
That road right there
[1:21:05] It's there. It's an existing road that
South had to maintain and take care of
[1:21:14] » the road now.
>> When when they finish it, kind of kind
[1:21:20] of Orange County has to take care of the
road
[1:21:24] » right now. They have to take care of the
road right now.
[1:21:31] » An existing road.
What do you think?
[1:21:38] What do they want to do?
[1:21:46] » Are they taking care of the road all the
way down to this house or this proposed
[1:21:52] house?
>> It's a major road. It's a major road. We
[1:21:55] have the building really has nothing to
do with this. I mean, if it's a major
[1:21:59] road and there hasn't been any problems,
I don't see why we couldn't override
[1:22:06] Bruce's comment. I mean, they're stuck
between a rock and a hard place, and
[1:22:13] unfortunately, it was dumped on us, but
what are we going to do?
[1:22:18] I, you know,
put the road,
[1:22:23] » right? Yeah.
>> And by the way, we have done
[1:22:28] this border started. Know that
subdivision uh on South Main Street that
[1:22:33] goes back down on that private road
[1:22:40] the rightway comes 9 ft from the guy's
house from the steps 9 ft.
[1:22:46] Is there
is there some way you can move the house
[1:22:51] back?
We have to get to maintain the proper
[1:22:55] setback between the deck and the house.
You have a couple feet.
[1:23:00] You have a 30 foot rear yard.
We may be able to move the back two,
[1:23:06] three feet, but that would make going
from 9t to 10, 11 or 12 feet on the
[1:23:12] porch. You're not really picking up any
real appreciable gain by moving the
[1:23:17] house back.
[1:23:30] It's a 32t rear yard like the front
yard. This was a cluster development.
[1:23:36] You have a 32 rear yard. Right now we
have 33t.
[1:23:49] Yeah, I agree with Mr. Andrews. I don't
see a problem there. It's a problem that
[1:23:52] we inherited
>> because we had to take South Nyak.
[1:23:56] So, I have no problem with that because
that nine yard 9 foot front yard is
[1:24:01] ridiculous,
>> especially on that road.
[1:24:04] » Would be a It would be a danger to the
people.
[1:24:08] That's my comment.
>> Dave,
[1:24:13] I'm looking at the aerial shot right now
and I see 214 is one available lot.
[1:24:17] Looks like there's another one that's
south of that. But everything has
[1:24:20] developed in the area. Looks like this
has been a parcel of land that's been
[1:24:23] sitting dormant for a while. And I don't
see the point of pushing it back
[1:24:27] farther. It seems like everything else
is pretty much set in place from the
[1:24:30] same distance from the road. It seems
like a a problem we did inherit. I don't
[1:24:36] I don't see the issue with with the
house as is.
[1:24:43] I think that the
it would be too burdensome on the
[1:24:49] property owner.
While I understand the desire to have a
[1:24:53] wider road, it
it's just existing and if you want to do
[1:24:57] the least harm, it would just be to not
make them lose those 9 ft.
[1:25:04] They just don't have it.
[1:25:18] Just don't
>> just don't put it in.
[1:25:21] » Just don't put the comment
out.
[1:25:24] » Right.
[1:25:31] » Rick, does does it make sense to just be
very clear why we're ignoring this
[1:25:37] comment? Not not ignoring the comment
but considering it but
[1:25:40] » technically again for overriding and
explaining your justification that's
[1:25:45] only required for Rocklin plan planning
board for this I think the discussion is
[1:25:51] sufficient that you had and when you
read the conditions in when you vote on
[1:25:55] it you would just leave out number one
of Mr. Peters's letter.
[1:26:00] » I think you do want to hear from the
public if anyone here wants to
[1:26:04] » Well, we're just uh just trying to get
the board
[1:26:07] Can you just do me a favor in layman's
terms? Can you explain what the
[1:26:10] stipulation was made by the how
department just so I understand how this
[1:26:14] comment was there in the first place?
>> Okay. Um just historically this
[1:26:18] subdivision was approved decades ago by
South Nyak and because uh South Nyak is
[1:26:24] no longer in existence by law. We the
town of Orangetown has taken over
[1:26:30] everything that was South Nyak including
its prior subdivisions.
[1:26:35] And this these houses had to come back
for site plan approval and this is
[1:26:40] coming back for site plan approval. Uh
Mr. Dean did not submit any letter of
[1:26:45] comment on this. Um if he had wanted to
widen the road and wanted a dedication
[1:26:50] presumably he would have said so and
perhaps the board would behave
[1:26:54] differently since he has no comment.
Uh presumably uh he's okay with keeping
[1:27:01] things as they are. As Mr. Brener has
said, "We're not accepting the road
[1:27:06] widening easement. The easement has been
filed decades ago." Is that right, Mr.
[1:27:11] » So, we're not accepting anything. We're
not making them file an easement that
[1:27:15] was done with the subdivision. So,
that's, you know, we're kind we're kind
[1:27:20] of locked into what South Nyak did with
the subdivision,
[1:27:25] which is why we're here. So, you had
asked about what Highway had said.
[1:27:29] Again, our highway depo department has
not commented at all about this.
[1:27:33] Presumably, the highway department back
20, 30 years ago in the subdivision had
[1:27:39] said all they wanted was a easement and
that was provided.
[1:27:45] Does that answer the question?
>> That was well said. I I completely
[1:27:49] understand.
>> Thank you.
[1:27:52] » We still not understand, but we
understand.
[1:27:57] » Okay. Uh,
[1:28:03] make a motion to open to the public.
>> Motion to open public portion.
[1:28:07] » Second.
>> Second.
[1:28:08] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed? None. Okay. Anybody from
[1:28:11] the public wish to speak on this
project?
[1:28:14] Okay. One more time. Anybody wish to
speak on this project? Hearing none. A
[1:28:17] motion to close.
>> Close. Public portion. Second.
[1:28:20] » Second.
>> All in favor? I.
[1:28:22] » Any opposed? None. Uh, reaffirm. Motion
to reaffirm secret.
[1:28:27] » Second.
>> Second.
[1:28:28] » All in favor?
>> I.
[1:28:30] » U. Motion for final with conditions.
Huh?
[1:28:33] » Okay. Motion.
>> Motion for final.
[1:28:35] » Motion for final with conditions.
>> Okay. Um, town of Orangetown, Rick
[1:28:40] Oliver, dated August 6. He has 12
comments. Town Orangetown DME, Bruce
[1:28:47] Peters, August 21st. He has eight
comments. for leaving out number one
[1:28:53] comment of his August 21st
letter
[1:28:57] » which leaves how many?
>> Huh?
[1:29:01] » Okay. So, we leave eight comments.
>> Yeah.
[1:29:04] » Okay. So, that'll leave eight comments.
Um, Orangetown Fire um July 31st, one
[1:29:10] comment. Orangetown review consultant
Paul Deansky, August 2nd has three
[1:29:16] comments. Orangetown drainage consultant
Weston Samson approve August 6 2026
[1:29:24] approved two comments that's all anybody
else
[1:29:28] » nothing second
>> I just have sir one question on Bruce
[1:29:32] again going back to Bruce
who does refer number six
[1:29:38] I think we're applicable
[1:29:43] we're not going to do a
[1:29:53] If you're not going to do road,
>> do you really need anything?
[1:29:56] » No, we're going to do the san.
[1:30:10] We can we can give them the page in
live.
[1:30:14] There's an ementate reference on the
map. It's all libraries and pages.
[1:30:21] » I don't know. Just bring it to your
attention.
[1:30:25] » Maybe we don't. All right. Leave it
there. Let's see if there's an issue.
[1:30:29] » Okay.
[1:30:32] » Okay. Do I have a second?
>> Second.
[1:30:36] » All in favor?
>> Opposed? None.
[1:30:39] » Good luck, sir.
>> Okay.
[1:30:42] » No. Now we'll now we'll go back to 228
South Boulevard PB26-34.
[1:31:01] » Okay,
>> there should be another one in the
[1:31:06] » passage.
[1:31:12] Go ahead.
Mr. Brown
[1:31:21] 228
number two.
[1:31:24] » Well, we didn't get to that.
>> Okay, I'm going to go through the
[1:31:27] consult report.
[1:31:38] » Okay. Um,
not of Orangetown.
[1:31:43] Uh, Rick Oliver, August 7th, 26. Has 10
comments. Orangetown DME Bruce Peters,
[1:31:49] August 21st. We're going to eliminate
item number one.
[1:31:55] And did you say also number two?
>> No, it's item number two. I think
[1:32:01] » it's not number one.
>> It was. Let me check.
[1:32:04] » Hold. We're not eliminating number one.
We're eliminating
[1:32:08] » number two.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. Number one stain and
[1:32:13] number two
is coming out. So that means he has 10
[1:32:19] comments. Good.
Ortown fire the July 21st has two
[1:32:26] comments.
Ormtown
[1:32:30] council Paul Gansky August 2nd has three
comments.
[1:32:36] Georgetown drainage consultant Weston
Samson August 6th approved two comments
[1:32:43] short EAF
Sansson owner May 26 2025 and we had a
[1:32:48] project narrative by Mr. Brener
any questions or comments?
[1:32:53] » I have no questions. Thank you Mr.
Anything
[1:33:01] on uh conservation easement building
department number six and seven show the
[1:33:07] conservation easement
and the new trees to be shown.
[1:33:14] So it would be uh page five of the
landscape plan.
[1:33:21] » I don't believe there are any
conservation
[1:33:31] I'm going by uh building zoning planning
and administration enforcement number
[1:33:37] number six and seven. It says show
conservation easement and show four new
[1:33:41] trees in the conservation easement.
>> There are no conservation.
[1:33:47] » There aren't any.
>> We'll confirm and we'll put it in
[1:33:50] writing to the building.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:33:53] We'll remove them as uh as conditions
then if there are not
[1:33:57] » we can just address them if they're not
there. That's fine.
[1:34:07] » Okay.
[1:34:13] Did you read any of the other ones for
>> which one?
[1:34:18] » On this one key.
>> Yeah, I did. Okay.
[1:34:24] » Okay. I'm going to open up. Motion to
open the public.
[1:34:26] » Motion to open public portion.
>> Second.
[1:34:28] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:34:30] » I oppose. Anybody from the public wish
to speak on 228? Please step up. State
[1:34:35] your name and address. Microphone. State
your name and address. And then when
[1:34:38] you're done, please sign the sheet of
paper on the desk. Thank you.
[1:34:46] » Kathy with a K. Gallion. That is spelled
G A L I O N E 234 South Boulevard.
[1:34:57] I'm not actually really sure why I'm
here. I'm just trying to follow this
[1:34:59] through to the natural conclusion
because I I I don't know if it's a
[1:35:03] foregone conclusion that this will be
developed, but I'm presuming it will be.
[1:35:07] Um, so I just wanted to go on record to
um maintain that I I feel as if too
[1:35:13] large of a house is going on too small
of a property. feels a little
[1:35:17] shoehorned. The road is the narrowest
there. It's a little precarious when it
[1:35:21] comes to traffic and I'm still concerned
about drainage. I I realize that you
[1:35:26] have a lot of um experts that maintain
the other direction, which is just fine.
[1:35:31] I just figured I wanted to kind of, you
know, this is a house I'll be looking at
[1:35:35] for probably the remainder of my life.
And uh
[1:35:39] sorry,
[1:35:45] but despite that um whoever builds and
lives in this house, I'll be a great
[1:35:51] neighbor, too. And it's a great
neighborhood. So, those are my concerns.
[1:35:54] I appreciate all your diligence thus
far. Thanks.
[1:35:57] » Thank you very much. Could you do me a
favor? Please sign in. Is it red over
[1:36:02] here? Thank you very
[1:36:07] for the record, please.
[1:36:16] » Okay. Thank you. Um, good evening. My
name is Katya Alberino. I live at
[1:36:21] » Sorry.
K A T J A
[1:36:27] Alberino. A L B E R I N O
229 South Boulevard. Thank you. Um, I
[1:36:37] was just wondering if it's possible to
request the actual height of the peak of
[1:36:43] the house. Um, I live across the street
from where the developer will be
[1:36:47] building the house. And we do have a
view of the river and the bridge and I
[1:36:51] was just wondering if maybe you could
clarify how high the peak will be. I
[1:36:56] know it's going to be about 33 feet or
30 feet. Um, I know it's all set in
[1:37:01] stone, but just a slight request if it
could possibly build be built not too
[1:37:07] much higher than our view allows. I'm
not sure if that could be asked now or
[1:37:13] » you have any idea what the height of the
>> building
[1:37:21] look
[1:37:25] really at this point it's it's hard to
sight.
[1:37:27] » Okay.
>> All right.
[1:37:28] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Please do sign.
[1:37:34] Anyone else?
Okay. Hearing none.
[1:37:38] » Move the closed public portion.
>> Second.
[1:37:40] » All in favor? I
>> oppose. Done.
[1:37:44] » Okay. Uh reaffirm.
>> Motion to reaffirm secret.
[1:37:49] » Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?
[1:37:51] » I opposed. Done. Okay. Motion for final
conditions.
[1:37:56] Motion for final with conditions.
>> Um, Orangetown Building Department Rick
[1:38:02] Oliver, August 7th, 10 comments.
Orangetown BME Bruce Peters, August 21st
[1:38:08] has 10 comments. Reading out number two.
Correct.
[1:38:12] » Right. Okay. Um, Orangetown Fire
District, uh, July 31st, two comments.
[1:38:20] Orangetown, uh, planning consultant,
Paul, August 2nd, three comments.
[1:38:26] Wormstown drainage western Samson
approve August 6th 2026 approved with
[1:38:32] two comments
>> and you've gone to a boy already correct
[1:38:35] mir
[1:38:39] » yes we have
>> right
[1:38:41] » okay
>> okay do I have a second
[1:38:43] » second
>> all in favor
[1:38:44] » I any oppos
[1:39:16] We have an open statement.
Same way. Okay.
[1:39:22] Orangetown Building Department Rick
Oliver August 7th with eight comments.
[1:39:28] Orangetown DME Group Peters August 21st
has nine comments. Orangetown Fire July
[1:39:36] 31st three comments. Orangetown
it's open
[1:39:42] August 2nd. There's three comments.
Warmtown Dance Won Samson dated August 6
[1:39:49] 26. It's approved. Two comments.
Rocklin County Department of Planning
[1:39:54] August 7th remains local decision. No
comments. I have a referral sheet from
[1:40:00] Rocklin County Department of Planning
July 23rd. Comments attached. I have a
[1:40:05] consent lead agent sheet from Rockland
County Department of Planning dated July
[1:40:10] 23rd. Consent. I have a short EAF
prepared to Aaron Sassin uh owner May
[1:40:17] 28th, 2026 and a project narrative. Don
Brener
[1:40:23] Andy question.
>> Yes, sir. Yes. I want to go back to Mr.
[1:40:28] Majansky's letter. Okay.
We want you want to talk about that. We
[1:40:35] had a problem in that area on
Saturday night
[1:40:42] and a tree came down across the road.
[1:40:49] couldn't get in touch with anybody.
I personally with the owner's permission
[1:40:55] got a contractor out there and remove
the tree showing that we want to get it
[1:41:00] done. And what we did is we're going to
we have pictures for you to show you
[1:41:05] this road has been paved for years and
years and years and the fire department
[1:41:11] comes down that road every year and
checks it out. So the road is that size.
[1:41:17] The fire department has used it and runs
ex
[1:41:23] every year.
>> The owner of directly
[1:41:28] road
[1:41:34] because I know in front of
them they were out there.
[1:41:41] But I'm just saying this is back years
or so ago. I know they were out there
[1:41:45] paying
the road.
[1:41:48] » No, but I know Mr. Manski was worried
about certain things. He was worried
[1:41:52] about the fire truck. He was worried,
can it get through? And the fire
[1:41:55] department's been the only thing in
South Na has been checking it out every
[1:42:00] year. They run their equipment across
the road and the road is open and paved.
[1:42:07] » Who paved the road?
>> Was paved
[1:42:11] » by the owner of the property?
>> The owner in that house. They didn't
[1:42:15] verify it, but the the lady across the
>> road
[1:42:21] also she's looking for the town to take
over the road because it's not listed as
[1:42:25] a private road. Her deeds do not extend
to the center line. It does not have a
[1:42:29] separate tax.
So she's quite anxious to get the town
[1:42:35] over the responsibility.
>> What's the role?
[1:42:40] » It varies, you know, like I said, part
is about what
[1:42:46] » I'm going to say the surveyor is going
to go out there just to locate it
[1:42:49] because the uh we were asked to do so at
the PRC
[1:42:52] » right
>> just as a quick pacing measurement I got
[1:42:55] about 16 18 ft
>> it's required to be 20
[1:42:59] » 20
[1:43:05] we have we have roads in the town that
are 16 18 ft they are roads
[1:43:11] these are existing roads this road is
paved from
[1:43:16] to Chase.
It is a paved road. It was our
[1:43:22] understanding at the PRC that as long as
it wasn't a dead end road where a fire
[1:43:27] truck would have to back up.
This would be
[1:43:32] somewhat deemed acceptable because it's
not a a dead end.
[1:43:43] the principal
>> different from helping you too much.
[1:43:47] » I believe that discussion was had at uh
PRC. Was that right? Yeah. I was sitting
[1:43:51] next to Mr. Majeski when that discussion
happened.
[1:43:55] » I would say more or less that's an
accurate description of the discussion
[1:44:00] that Mr. Majeski would work with them.
But I don't know that there's any need
[1:44:05] to
not follow his conditions. you know,
[1:44:10] » goes all the way the road goes all the
way down to Bracken. I mean, the slope
[1:44:16] of the road is unbelievable, but it does
go all the way down.
[1:44:19] » Right. So, again, I believe it's
accurate to the degree that Mr. Majeski
[1:44:25] will work with the applicant and it
perhaps may be adequate as things are,
[1:44:31] but I don't think that there's any need
to cut out any of his his conditions.
[1:44:37] Is the applicant asking for a
modification of
[1:44:40] » No, we we will work with him, but we
just wanted to to show that this has
[1:44:44] been used, paved, and fire trucks go
through it.
[1:44:48] » It says if required, Mr. Burner, the
last two words on number two, if
[1:44:52] required.
[1:44:57] » Question.
I appreciate the provided, but I just
[1:45:02] happened to say this is not a dead end,
but I was on the same picture. You said
[1:45:06] that. What's the sign right here? It
says dead end.
[1:45:09] » You can't go by the signage because they
put up private road, no parking, one
[1:45:14] way. [clears throat] You can't tell by
they block the road.
[1:45:19] » If you Well, first off, it's not an
official sign. It's not an official
[1:45:22] height. It's not official size.
just
[1:45:26] falling down.
>> Just trying to drive that road to take
[1:45:29] the tree down.
>> Somebody put up saw horses across the
[1:45:33] road. So, you had to move these
obstructions just to get to the road. I
[1:45:37] don't know who did it,
>> but I can just tell you they exist. Even
[1:45:40] at the intersection further down on
Barin
[1:45:44] » and it just appears that people like
parking on the road, so they don't want
[1:45:48] to they don't want to make these roads
more public, shall we say.
[1:45:54] Well, yeah. Even if you go down to the
culdeac on Bar and you'll find trailers,
[1:45:58] you'll find campers, you'll find
everything parked up along through the
[1:46:01] the culdeac of barrage and they're not
owned by the applicant.
[1:46:08] We we did we did say we spoke to highway
superintendent, we once this is
[1:46:15] approved, we're going to go through and
get the rest of the subdivision done and
[1:46:19] one application and we will put up
private
[1:46:24] to try to get these people off the
property.
[1:46:33] » Oh, they're going to love that.
[1:46:53] I said last meeting that uh that the
measurements for the roadway was
[1:46:58] supposed to be taken and put it put on
the uh site plan. So we knew if it was
[1:47:04] 18 or 20 or 19 or whatever
that the attorney can come to that turn.
[1:47:13] Yeah, but how many years that firm been
there? And how many times has the fire
[1:47:17] truck going up and down without a
problem?
[1:47:21] » That's uh I mean it was paid by the
woman who lives there because the the uh
[1:47:27] the hill above her is every time it
rained.
[1:47:29] » Yeah.
>> She wound up with uh the dirt and
[1:47:32] everything blocking her driveway. So,
she had it paved.
[1:47:36] » She's also the one who told me that fire
department does she said their biggest
[1:47:41] truck around
[1:47:45] the fire hydrants on the road.
>> There's a fire hydrant that I know of at
[1:47:49] the intersection of
and and college right on the I'll
[1:47:54] [clears throat] call it the southwest
corner going up the hill. I believe
[1:47:58] there's one closer to Chase.
>> Where is it? Where is Where is it in
[1:48:04] reference to the property? We have one
right here.
[1:48:08] » So, it's closer to the property. Oh,
>> yeah. Yes.
[1:48:12] Fire checkers must go up there and check
the fire hydrants.
[1:48:17] » No, that's under the control water.
>> Pardon me.
[1:48:23] » Water provides the water.
[1:48:28] » That's not over because it's not water.
>> Yeah. But doesn't a fire department go
[1:48:34] up and check the hydrants? Yes. Okay.
So, that's what I'm saying.
[1:48:38] » I assume that's why they run the truck
up there.
[1:48:41] And how is there any part of that road
that's as narrow
[1:48:46] as where you are?
>> You say 16.
[1:48:52] It appears to be a little narrow. Like I
said, just rough measurements.
[1:48:56] The surveyor was going to go out and
just locally
[1:49:08] [clears throat]
this this portion of the road up here
[1:49:10] because according to the res.
She has issues with stuff like that
[1:49:18] because they won't go down because
>> the hills like that.
[1:49:22] » No, she's saying it's not even it's not
even a pitch of the hill.
[1:49:27] the condition of the road.
[1:49:35] And part of the thing is she has trash
out
[1:50:02] concern moving forward. I know that
[1:50:12] is
address
[1:50:21] and now we have
[1:50:29] problem
[1:50:33] forward.
>> Well, I think what we're talking about
[1:50:37] now is not a public road. Correct. This
is a private road.
[1:50:40] » No, I as far as we can tell, it's not a
private road.
[1:50:44] » This is a public road as well.
>> Well, if you look at Willow, right?
[1:50:48] Right now, Willow has a tax number,
right? Willow would be under private
[1:50:53] ownership.
>> Well, m Mr. I mean, if it's a if it's a
[1:50:58] public road, it's listed with the state
and it's on Mr. Dean's list.
[1:51:02] » What was said here is that when he
acquired the property, he made a
[1:51:07] statement to the town and Mr.
[1:51:13] that was missing in the road. The
utilities are in, the drain is in, the
[1:51:17] sewer is in, the curves, everything's
in. He said he would cap the road to the
[1:51:22] town specific. And that's really what
we're trying to do. We're trying to get
[1:51:26] going.
>> So, Mr. Brener, is it your understanding
[1:51:30] that this is a town road or it's not a
town road yet?
[1:51:34] » I don't know what it is.
The one area that needs to be capped yet
[1:51:38] that area I don't think that's turned
over to the town because it won't be
[1:51:42] until it's
>> it was dedicated by deed and subdivision
[1:51:47] plant to the village of South
[1:51:53] » all these areas were dedicated
>> because how how can that be man stick
[1:51:57] out an edge? How could the town plow it?
town does not plow
[1:52:03] » and and South KN did not plow it. In
other words, the people that live there
[1:52:07] plow it.
>> Okay. One thing to keep in mind is even
[1:52:11] though it's been offered for dedication
does not make it a town road. It has to
[1:52:16] be there needs a town board resolution
or South Nyak resolution saying we
[1:52:21] » could not find South. We know the town
did not accept it. Okay. And the reason
[1:52:28] we made when he started the project is
that the build he will cap the road to
[1:52:34] meet the requirements of the town
specification
[1:52:37] that he committed himself.
>> The only thing I know a deed has been
[1:52:41] filed dedicating the road to South KN
South KN signed off on the deed. To me
[1:52:47] that's an acceptance of the road once
it's completed fully.
[1:52:53] » Now you're saying that the owner has
agreed to cap the road.
[1:52:57] » Yes.
He agreed to cap that term.
[1:53:00] » This is already This is all Brandon.
>> No, no, no. I understand. Is this part
[1:53:04] of what he agreed to cap?
>> He agreed to cap the road in accordance
[1:53:07] with
>> any road that I believe required. If
[1:53:10] required will if that road is not
capped, he's agreed to cap that road.
[1:53:16] » Okay. So, if he's willing to cap it, why
doesn't he add two feet to it to make it
[1:53:22] more make it comp?
>> Well, because you can add a foot either
[1:53:26] side. principal part of it's tough
because you have a stone retaining wall
[1:53:30] that runs along this east edge and the
thing
[1:53:33] » not that I'm talking about.
>> Yeah, you see that you can see the wall
[1:53:36] right there on the one side.
>> We're talking about this turn
[1:53:40] » this turn right here. He wouldn't even
have to do two feet.
[1:53:44] If you want him to I don't believe he'd
have a problem widening the road.
[1:53:48] » That's the only thing we're concerned of
is that turn right there.
[1:53:53] That turn is not the rest of the road.
We can't do anything about it.
[1:53:58] We know that this is the only thing that
we're concerned
[1:54:01] » with this
[1:54:05] area we discussed at the project review.
[1:54:19] That's what I was I was going to suggest
that we're making a condition that they
[1:54:23] work it out once once you get the
approval one way or the other and the
[1:54:26] applicant agrees to we have to work it
out.
[1:54:29] » Yeah. However, when we when it was
discussed at project review, it said
[1:54:35] that there were measurements should be
taken to determine exactly
[1:54:38] » should
>> that should have been done that way.
[1:54:41] Would it do we have to have a discussion
or we don't have to have a discussion?
[1:54:45] That was the whole principle behind
getting it measured. We showed the
[1:54:48] measurements at the property. The
measurements that were being looked for
[1:54:52] going up towards Chase, which are not on
the property.
[1:54:56] » Well, we were looking at the project
review was looking specifically,
[1:55:01] my recollection at the turn there in
front of the property. That's what they
[1:55:05] were looking for.
>> Three dimensions listed right at the
[1:55:07] turn
>> and they're short.
[1:55:09] » They're short, but that's why we went to
Is it a dead end? Because it was a
[1:55:14] belief that from this point up it was
gravel. So, we went, we took the picture
[1:55:18] to show that the roads were actually
paved, that it's not gravel, that it has
[1:55:23] a traversible
surface, and then there's a surveyor
[1:55:28] that will go out and get the
measurements for Dave to give him the
[1:55:32] widths, and we'll try to find the spot
of the
[1:55:35] » We're only concerned with this turn.
That's where your property is. That's
[1:55:38] where our concern is.
>> At the turn, we should we show hard
[1:55:41] measurements that were done by the right
now. We have 19 more. But it was the
[1:55:46] believe that this was a dead end road
and that the truck would have to back up
[1:55:50] for the length of the road because the
footage of the road at 71 ft 24 so 124
[1:55:58] were greater than allowable according to
the fire.
[1:56:02] So that's why he but that was under the
belief that this was a nontraversible
[1:56:06] portion of road going away from us but
it is travers
[1:56:13] and as for extending the road 9/10 of a
foot 10 in to a foot in this portion
[1:56:19] over here I don't believe the applicant
would have a problem extending the road
[1:56:23] » I think that's that's our concern we're
concerned with the door
[1:56:27] » well then that that would be something
you would discuss with Dave Yes.
[1:56:32] Well, we have to work it out with Dave.
The only way we can get past Dave, we'd
[1:56:36] have to go to Albany.
>> Not even not even do it,
[1:56:39] » right?
>> Because you had said you had that
[1:56:43] concern with it.
>> Yes, I did.
[1:56:45] » Okay. So, you're going to work it out
with him. So, we're going to leave it as
[1:56:47] it is and you're going to work it out
with them.
[1:56:50] » I I mean, I was discussing it because I
just wanted to tell you,
[1:56:55] » right?
>> We have to work it out with Dave. If we
[1:56:56] can't work it out with Dave, we have to
go to Albany. We really don't want to go
[1:57:00] to
>> Well, it'd be nice to have on on a piece
[1:57:02] of paper stating to us that it's the 20
ft. It had been worked out originally.
[1:57:08] » Well, we we
[1:57:12] work it out with him. If if you if you
come up with 19 ft, it's not that much.
[1:57:15] I don't think it's going to be that
much.
[1:57:16] » Well, he's going by the code. The code
is
[1:57:18] » by the code. We understand that.
>> Um I mean, we've used that road for I
[1:57:23] don't know how many years and never had
an issue. So, if we can move everything
[1:57:28] the code because we're getting stuff
that's not within code. So we make
[1:57:32] everything
the code down the road everybody else
[1:57:37] the code so we don't have a problem.
>> Is it on his property that he can do
[1:57:41] this or it's not? Whose property is it
on?
[1:57:43] » It does appear that he should be able to
go on to his property extend. It's about
[1:57:48] a one foot about a 10 in 10 in 10 inch
extension of the road. Looking at the
[1:57:53] measurements that were taken 19.1
>> if he can It's his property. He can do
[1:57:59] it. And we're we are going to do it. If
it's not his property, we can't talk to
[1:58:04] somebody else's property.
>> Technically, it's in the rightway.
[1:58:08] » They have a tenant extension into the
rightway. It wouldn't be on property.
[1:58:12] There would be no easement, anything
like that.
[1:58:14] » Okay.
[1:58:19] » So, I think
you did. I think I finished all
[1:58:26] » join the club.
[1:58:30] Oh, wait a minute.
>> No, the other the other locks are
[1:58:34] » easy.
>> Easy.
[1:58:35] » Okay, let's
>> let's
[1:58:38] » because they're in the bottom. You have
to do that.
[1:58:43] » Was a motion made for final with
conditions? Do you remember?
[1:58:49] » Oh, okay. All right. See, that's why you
guys got me all messed up.
[1:58:53] » Motion to open up to the public.
>> Second.
[1:58:55] » Second. All in favor?
>> Paul is not. Anybody from the public
[1:58:59] wants to speak on this?
>> There was a lady here. I think she got
[1:59:03] disgusted and left. Okay.
>> No, no, no. She was an architect for
[1:59:07] another job.
>> Nothing to do with this.
[1:59:10] » Anybody else wish to speak on this?
Hearing none of the motion to close.
[1:59:13] » Motion to close. Public portion. Second.
>> Second.
[1:59:16] » All favor. I opposed. Okay. None
opposed. Um,
[1:59:20] » motion to reaffirm. Motion to reaffirm.
>> Second. Second.
[1:59:26] » All in favor? I oppos. None. Motion for
final with conditions.
[1:59:33] » Do I have a motion?
>> Okay. Do I have a second? No. Conditions
[1:59:39] are
Orangetown building, Rick Oliver, August
[1:59:42] 7th, eight comments. Orangetown BME
Bruce Peters, August 21st, nine
[1:59:48] comments. Orangetown FA Fire, July 31st,
three comments. Uh town.
[1:59:56] » You know, you never asked us for
comments on this project.
[1:59:59] » Excuse me.
>> Never asked us for comments,
[2:00:03] » didn't I?
>> No.
[2:00:04] » I cancel that.
>> Andy, do you have any questions or
[2:00:07] comments on this?
>> No.
[2:00:09] » Okay, Mr. Mandel.
[2:00:13] » I'm sorry.
>> Okay. Sorry.
[2:00:16] » Been getting confusing.
[2:00:20] » Okay. This uh planning board decision
April 15, 2026 number four had plantings
[2:00:27] to the west side and southside
conservation easements. That's page
[2:00:31] eight of 16 is not shown.
>> They're called out on the landscape
[2:00:36] schedule. We'll just put them in. Like I
said, we did that only because we
[2:00:40] » well have hire landscape architect that
would have put into it.
[2:00:44] » Okay. Nothing further. Everything else
was discussed. Thank you. Question or
[2:00:48] comments. Question.
[2:01:14] » Any comments?
Okay, thank you. Uh motion open to the
[2:01:19] public.
[2:01:23] » I know we got to go back in order.
>> Second.
[2:01:25] » All in favor? I
>> I.
[2:01:28] » Anybody wish to speak on this? Anybody
wish to speak on motion to close?
[2:01:31] » Motion to close.
>> Second.
[2:01:33] » All in favor? I
>> reaffirm SQA.
[2:01:36] » Motion to reaffirm SQA.
>> Second.
[2:01:39] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:01:41] » Opposed? None.
>> Motion for final with conditions.
[2:01:49] Okay.
Okay. Orangetown building, Rick Oliver,
[2:01:54] August 7th, eight comments. Orangetown
DME, Bruce Peters, August 21st, nine
[2:02:00] comments.
Orangetown Fire, July 31st, three
[2:02:05] comments.
Orangetown
[2:02:10] Paul Deans, August 2nd, three comments.
Orangetown Drainage, Western Samson. Uh,
[2:02:17] August 6th, approved. Two comments.
Orangetown Planning Board. Uh, August
[2:02:23] 7th, local.
And that's it.
[2:02:30] Do I have a second?
>> Second.
[2:02:32] » All in favor?
>> Opposed?
[2:02:35] » Opposed.
[2:02:42] Okay. Code.
>> Yep.
[2:02:48] » All right.
27 college.
[2:02:56] » Same thing. Go right into reports.
[2:03:03] There's nothing easy. Mr. Brener, I've
known you for too many years. Nothing
[2:03:08] easy.
[2:03:11] Okay.
Orangetown Building Department, Rick
[2:03:14] Oliver, August 7th, eight comments.
Orangetown DMD, Bruce Peters, August
[2:03:20] 21st, 11 comments.
Orangetown Fire, July 30th, two
[2:03:26] comments.
Orangetown project
[2:03:30] plan review, Paul Gans, uh, August 2nd,
three comments. Or town drainage,
[2:03:36] Western Samson, approved. Two comments
dated August 6th, 2026.
[2:03:42] Rocklin County Department of Planning
dated August 7th, 26. Remand for local
[2:03:48] decision. No comments. Um referral sheet
from Rockland County Department of
[2:03:53] Planning July 23rd, 2026. Comments
attached. I have a letter consult agency
[2:04:00] for Rockland County Department of
Planning dated July 23rd. Consent. I
[2:04:06] have a short EAF
prayer by the owner May 26 and project
[2:04:11] narrative from Mr. Brener at the time of
the application.
[2:04:15] » Okay. Anything else? Thank you very
much. And questions or comments?
[2:04:20] » Yeah. Um,
where is this property in relationship
[2:04:25] to the last one?
[2:04:29] » On the screen you see the 11.
>> Yeah.
[2:04:31] » Previous lot. This is lot 11.
[2:04:37] down here. Right off the road, correct?
>> Yes.
[2:04:41] » But how wide is the road down here?
>> Oh, be on. Okay. All right.
[2:04:49] I don't have any questions.
>> No questions, Mr. Chairman.
[2:04:54] » Any questions or comments?
[2:04:59] » Question. Question.
Motion open the public.
[2:05:04] » Motion open public portion.
>> Second.
[2:05:06] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:05:08] » Any opposed? None. Anybody from the
public wish to speak on this project?
[2:05:13] » Anybody from the public wish to speak on
this project? Hearing? None. A motion to
[2:05:16] close.
>> Motion to close. Public portion.
[2:05:18] » Second.
>> Second.
[2:05:19] » All in favor?
>> I opposed. None.
[2:05:23] » Motion reaffirm.
>> No. Wait. We did I think we got to do
[2:05:28] Nick on this, don't we? We did we do
seek one this weekly.
[2:05:32] » Oh, okay. Motion to read.
>> Yeah, we have.
[2:05:35] » All right. Motion to reaffirm.
>> Motion to reaffirm secret.
[2:05:38] » Second.
>> Second.
[2:05:39] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed?
[2:05:42] » Motion final conditions.
>> Motion for final with conditions.
[2:05:46] » Orangetown Building Department. Rick
Oliver, August 7th, eight comments.
[2:05:51] Orangetown DME Bruce Peters. August
21st. 11 comments. Orangetown Fire. Um
[2:05:59] July 30th, two comments. Orangetown plan
review.
[2:06:04] August 2nd, three comments. Orangetown
drainage consultant Western Samson.
[2:06:10] August 6 approve. Two comments.
And that's all. Do I have a second?
[2:06:15] Second.
>> All in favor? Oppos? None. Good luck,
[2:06:20] sir.
[2:06:24] » We'll be back.
North.
[2:06:27] » They say we'll be back.
[laughter]
[2:06:34] » Yeah, you guys are too nice tonight.
What the hell's going on?
[2:06:38] » Was this a conspiracy?
[2:06:43] » Is anybody here from 182?
>> Yes, sir. Okay.
[2:06:47] » Soon as we get rid of these guys, come
on up. We'll abuse you a little bit.
[2:07:02] What the heck happened?
[2:07:15] I'm not getting involved. Don't get
involved.
[2:07:20] Be here all night.
[2:07:24] Okay.
[2:07:30] » Yes, sir.
[2:07:34] » State your name and address for the
record and sign it, please.
[2:07:37] » Sure.
>> Samson.
[2:07:42] » S. Last name.
S I M O I
[2:07:52] S O.
[2:08:11] » All right. So, I was here about two
weeks ago. the PRC. I believe there were
[2:08:16] a few things that were addressed and I
took care of a few things that some of
[2:08:20] the questions they were concerned about
some of the addresses
[2:08:24] and whatnot. So,
[2:08:30] I wanted to um the property is pretty
small. The the lot size
[2:08:38] the way I'm not sure if you guys have
the plans of what I was proposing on
[2:08:41] doing privacy trees for my uh equipment.
Oh, there you go.
[2:08:47] » I don't have I got it.
[2:08:55] So, as far as you guys are concerned,
do you prefer that there are trees? Can
[2:09:02] I have a fence in on the on the North
Middletown Road?
[2:09:08] If so, is there a setback? Because looks
like the property line I'm not sure if
[2:09:13] there's a if there's an easement there.
Based on the survey that I was giving,
[2:09:16] which is very old, doesn't show any
easement. It shows the property is right
[2:09:20] on the on the street.
So, has anything changed ever since?
[2:09:26] Does does it change any ruling as far as
a setback versus if I put a fence versus
[2:09:31] trees?
[2:09:37] » Okay.
[2:09:52] Um,
so on on the street there, is that the
[2:09:57] front or the back of the house?
>> It's a good question. The property has
[2:10:01] two addresses.
So
[2:10:04] » they're both front yards.
>> Yeah, I guess.
[2:10:07] » So you're only allowed uh four and a
half ft on those roads,
[2:10:12] » the height, correct?
>> Yeah. Are you on a corner, an outside
[2:10:14] corner?
>> No, there's no other street there,
[2:10:17] right?
>> No, I mean there there are two adjacent
[2:10:19] properties. I know it's it's not it's
not
[2:10:21] » so yeah four and a half ft
>> height.
[2:10:24] » Yeah.
[2:10:27] » No, a fence can be right on the property
line.
[2:10:28] » It could be.
>> Uh yeah, right on your property.
[2:10:30] » Trees as well.
>> Trees. Yeah.
[2:10:40] You brought up a project review that you
you were talking about a fence, but you
[2:10:45] wanted to possibly, as you show there,
put plantings around, move the fence a
[2:10:50] little back for your sight distances.
[2:10:54] » Correct. I mean, the way I envision this
is that first of all, if I'm going to
[2:10:58] put plans there, I wouldn't put them on
the property line because they're going
[2:11:02] to get killed with it when they plow the
road,
[2:11:04] » right?
>> So, it would have to have a setback
[2:11:06] regardless. Now, if I put a fence, that
might change the conversation a little
[2:11:10] bit.
>> But I'm not sure if you guys going to be
[2:11:12] satisfied with the look because if I put
the fence so close to the street, I'm
[2:11:16] not going to have any room for for any
planting.
[2:11:19] » Well,
[2:11:25] that close.
>> Well, you would probably if I put a
[2:11:28] fence, I would probably put like three
feet in, but if I'm putting trees,
[2:11:31] probably like seven 10 feet in, I would
assume.
[2:11:35] » There was no sidewalk on that side of
the street.
[2:11:37] » Correct.
[2:11:41] » They didn't do anything.
>> It ends right there. So, that's exactly
[2:11:45] why I was asking about the the setback
if there's any any easement.
[2:11:53] Okay. The the other thing is coming out
of the property.
[2:12:03] » Correct.
[2:12:15] » So, so that's a great question you
brought up. The last time I was here at
[2:12:18] PRC, um the fire chief had mentioned
that he he had trouble accessing. Now,
[2:12:24] the the neighbor next door, he had
shrubs coming all the way up, and I
[2:12:28] asked him if he would let me cut, and he
did. So, since then, I've planted 48
[2:12:33] trees on the side, 48 green johns, which
has the best the fastest growing trees
[2:12:38] on the market, you know, today because I
wanted to let them grow at least to to
[2:12:42] let the roots establish for next spring.
They're just going to take off. I
[2:12:45] haven't done anything in the front
obviously because I want to you know I
[2:12:48] want to get some answers here or some
ideas. Um so that I solved that problem.
[2:12:54] However,
there is an electrical pole that's
[2:12:58] really what's causing the the view to
make it difficult to to go in and out.
[2:13:08] So I may have to I know it's not shown
there. I did a poor job there. I I would
[2:13:12] probably have to call OR to solve that
problem and and then to end this point
[2:13:18] um
I haven't updated it but I didn't want
[2:13:23] to bring everything the last minute
where it does show where the there is
[2:13:28] enough space that you can pull up and
you have a clear view to get you know to
[2:13:32] get out of the parking lot without
causing an accident.
[2:13:35] » Well, at least that's the goal.
>> Yeah. That's why you wouldn't go with
[2:13:38] the abroades in the front on Middletown
Road. That would block your site totally
[2:13:44] if you use that.
>> So the way I'm in the way I had my
[2:13:47] renderings as of this afternoon that I
was working on. This is something that I
[2:13:51] did. So it's nothing professional. This
is not an art.
[2:13:53] » Yeah. Well, it's got the plan when you
do come before the board. Sure. is to
[2:13:58] they'll give you sheets that'll tell you
how to do it, but you have to have a
[2:14:01] professionally drawn up
>> of course
[2:14:03] » plans and everything that would show it,
show your landscaping and everything
[2:14:07] like that. But you did mention at uh
project review if you worried about the
[2:14:12] site distance there too. So if you did
plant along Middletown Road, have that
[2:14:16] be something that would be lower.
>> So the green giants
[2:14:21] » they grow and you're never sight.
>> I understand everybody thinks that.
[2:14:25] However, we, you know, we're in
landscape business, so we maintain them.
[2:14:28] We can, we can bring as many pictures as
we need to. Something we maintain for
[2:14:31] year for our
>> You may want to bring it back
[2:14:33] » and we can also keep it at 12 14 ft
high. Still too high. But if you sit in
[2:14:38] your truck, you better be able to see
out.
[2:14:40] » No, no, no. Meaning for privacy. So,
it's not going to look like this giant
[2:14:43] thing. Has nothing to do. Yeah.
>> What I'm talking about is the side is
[2:14:46] fine. It's It's on Middletown Road. If
you're playing Queen Giant, everybody's
[2:14:51] there. you you won't have any sight
distance unless they're set back from
[2:14:55] the road.
>> Correct. At least six feet.
[2:14:57] » Yeah. This way you can pull up and you
can see either way.
[2:15:00] » Correct.
>> But you had brought that up which was an
[2:15:02] excellent idea, I think. And it would
give a good look to the uh to the
[2:15:06] property on the Middletown roadside.
>> So that's what I'm trying to accomplish.
[2:15:11] So, it's private enough, but it also
doesn't look like because I realize it's
[2:15:16] I believe it's an residential zoning
there, even though there's a bunch of
[2:15:20] commercial to keep that look. Isn't that
Is that something you guys would prefer
[2:15:24] versus just a plain fence?
>> Well,
[2:15:31] well, if you put the fence back six feet
and you put vegetation in front of it,
[2:15:35] something low growing
to sort of make it look better
[2:15:40] for a second.
[2:15:44] Is there a sidewalk on the other side of
the street?
[2:15:48] » They ran out of money, so they only went
to like King basically.
[2:15:52] » No, no, even they come really next door
to me. Like literally stops the building
[2:15:55] next door to me.
>> Right.
[2:16:00] » On my latest rendering, which I didn't
bring because I didn't want to bring the
[2:16:03] last minute that I that I worked on this
afternoon. It actually I just left it
[2:16:06] alone for now. grass
>> when that were to happen they can just
[2:16:11] basically just remove the grass without
damaging the trees
[2:16:14] » right
>> so what you're seeing there those are
[2:16:17] the uh if you can go down whoever is
using it yeah
[2:16:22] » so either maybe put the fence behind the
arboritis and then just push the
[2:16:26] arboritis further back so have a strip
of grass at least five or six feet that
[2:16:32] if if and whenever they do the sidewalk
>> right
[2:16:35] » we're not back to square one to planting
that would make more sense and it still
[2:16:38] give you uh it give you the sight
distance that you need.
[2:16:43] It's it looks fairly good except I think
pushing it back would make it especially
[2:16:47] if there's going to be a sidewalk
eventually.
[2:16:50] Who knows in our lifetime but maybe
there'll be a sidewalk but if not you
[2:16:55] leave the grass there this way with snow
and everything you're not losing
[2:16:58] » correct
>> your trees or anything and it's not
[2:17:00] going to kill anything.
>> And any plants that would be in front of
[2:17:02] those arbors would be all perennials
that we can cut back in winter. Yeah,
[2:17:06] » it still gives it, you know, it's like a
very fresh look, but it can get get back
[2:17:11] cut back in winter.
>> It's a
[2:17:15] You're not going to do anything on the
other side of the house.
[2:17:18] » You mean in the frunk? No, it's
currently residential. It's
[2:17:21] » okay. So, that'll stay residential.
>> Correct. And and and other than that,
[2:17:25] there's a gate where the proposed garage
is on the right side that gives access.
[2:17:31] I would assume that you guys going to
want me to shut that off so we don't
[2:17:35] have we don't have our trucks going into
the the residential area. Correct.
[2:17:40] » I don't think they can have Can they
have two?
[2:17:45] » It's two different purposes. The the
front of the building is commercial.
[2:17:49] » Back of the building is residential.
Okay.
[2:17:52] » Are both of those addresses listed in
the 911 system?
[2:17:55] » So, great qu. So, I I made a call as
soon as I left that day. 911 recognizes
[2:18:03] 182 which is interesting because 182 was
added after 33 Mariana which is in the
[2:18:09] front. So they said which I actually in
fact we have a tenant moving in the
[2:18:13] residential. I've I put a note that in
case an emergency let them know it's 182
[2:18:18] North Middletown but post office has two
addresses.
[2:18:25] So in other words, I had a mailbox in
the in this side the other people have
[2:18:28] in the front that will be moving in, you
know, in the next few weeks or month.
[2:18:33] And the mail is completely separate.
It's just a 911 in case there's an
[2:18:38] emergency. It's recognized as 182 North
Middletown Road.
[2:18:44] » Are they two separate lots?
>> It is one lot.
[2:18:48] » It's also one building. It was just
split at some point. It's a split level
[2:18:52] house.
One side of the house is on one road.
[2:18:56] The back of the house is on Middletown
Road.
[2:18:58] » No, I understand that.
>> So, but they have two driveways.
[2:19:02] » One coming out on Middletown, one going
out on
[2:19:05] » 911. [clears throat]
What address are they going to look at?
[2:19:09] » That's the problem.
>> 182
[2:19:13] » 182 Middletown.
>> Yeah.
[2:19:14] » I call Rockland County. I'm not I forgot
what it's called the department but they
[2:19:18] will give you that you [clears throat]
know they they tag take the the map lot
[2:19:22] the tax map whatever it's called right
>> and they'll tell you how they recognize
[2:19:25] it.
>> Yeah.
[2:19:28] » Is there a way to change it? I'm not
sure. I I haven't asked that question.
[2:19:35] » Yes, it is separate addresses.
>> Correct.
[2:19:48] Did you get a copy of the consult
reports
[2:19:51] » from uh yesterday?
>> Okay.
[2:19:53] » Yes, I did. Well, this will just go I've
also consulted with an engineer that I'm
[2:19:58] supposed to be meeting the near the next
few days.
[2:20:01] » Yeah. Let me just uh I got three three
things here. Let me read them to record.
[2:20:06] So, they're in the record.
I have a letter from Orangetown Building
[2:20:11] Department, Rick Oliver, August 7th, he
has seven comments.
[2:20:16] Orangetown DME Peters, August 21st has
seven comments. And Orangetown Fire,
[2:20:23] July 30th, we have two comments.
[2:20:36] I think the biggest you were looking for
respect to
[2:20:41] this gate to push the fence back or so.
>> Yes.
[2:20:47] » And then behind the fence this way too
if they do come through the sidewalk
[2:20:53] » without having to destroy anything other
than the grass. Correct.
[2:21:02] » Yeah. They may or may not.
[2:21:15] » Yeah, that's nice.
[2:21:30] » Has it been done where you can actually
make that change on their end.
[2:21:36] » I don't know. We have another same thing
has two addresses. So, we haven't
[2:21:42] approached that yet.
[2:21:54] That's
>> understand.
[2:22:00] But it looks like a good project.
>> Yeah,
[2:22:04] » it's going to change the uh the look of
the area, which is good.
[2:22:09] » Can't hurt.
>> And uh just with the paving that, you
[2:22:14] got to look at the deme's comments
because you're probably going to need a
[2:22:20] oil water separator because you you're
parking the trucks there.
[2:22:23] » I actually printed something. I didn't I
I thought he was going to be here. I
[2:22:26] wasn't sure that if that's what he was
referring to,
[2:22:28] » probably. Yeah, you can give him a call
on that.
[2:22:31] » Oh, can I? Okay. To Bruce, right?
>> Right. Yes. Okay. Ask him, you know,
[2:22:35] what he specifically meant by that. And
then you got to get some, you know,
[2:22:40] survey or whatever to draw up your
plans, separate plans for your uh
[2:22:46] landscaping. Separate plans. And the
buildings department give you it's a
[2:22:50] check. It's a check off list, isn't it?
Uh Audrey.
[2:22:56] » Okay.
[2:23:04] And if you comply with all those things,
that makes the the process a much
[2:23:08] speedier process once you come before
the board,
[2:23:10] » which is why I'm here because I'm trying
to get as much information as I can so I
[2:23:13] can pass it on to the engineer to
anybody that needs it. that
[2:23:16] » well that's a checkation and you give
them the uh comments which you have so
[2:23:21] far but the EM's ones if you get a lot
of those knocked off that uh that'll
[2:23:26] speed up the project but once you have
most of the stuff done your plans and
[2:23:30] everything done you go to the check off
list then you can come to the planning
[2:23:34] board to the builder's department to you
know to put in for the permit and for
[2:23:39] appearance before the board and I don't
know if you need I don't think you need
[2:23:44] any variances So that would to cut out
the CBA.
[2:23:49] So
>> I'm not sure if that's a building
[2:23:52] department question, but is there will
the fence be required or is that just if
[2:23:58] something I want to do? In other words,
you see the gate that's there. Is that
[2:24:03] something you guys would prefer with the
building department or is that just
[2:24:06] totally optional?
>> Well, the gate would have to be you'd
[2:24:09] have to lock.
>> Yeah, but if you're going to lock it,
[2:24:12] you'd have the fire department would
need a key or something. something like
[2:24:15] that.
>> I was I thought the fence was just
[2:24:18] something you want. It's not something
that's required by us,
[2:24:20] » right?
>> Yeah. But if
[2:24:22] » I think for safety issue, you might want
to do it. Just keep people out of it.
[2:24:26] Although they can jump the fence if they
want to. So,
[2:24:29] » but you can put a a lock
>> Well, not in forever. That's why.
[2:24:33] » But you could put a lock box there where
you where the fire department has access
[2:24:36] to and then they can unlock the gate.
Yeah. You could lock it in here
[2:24:40] » because the way we would operate is it
would be open all day long just shut at
[2:24:44] the end of the
>> and you would you be locked at night
[2:24:47] time.
>> Correct. Yeah.
[2:24:48] » So there's your box that you can put
there that the fire department has
[2:24:51] access to that they can unlock and get
in that way.
[2:24:54] » Got it. In case an emergency,
>> right? But it's something too that you
[2:24:57] could talk to the fire department once
you get approval and whatever that they
[2:25:01] know there's a back entrance or
something that makes it easier for them
[2:25:05] when they uh respond to it.
>> They have to.
[2:25:07] » What kind of equipment you require? So,
we have a small landscape company. It's
[2:25:11] going to be pickup trucks, maybe mason
dumps,
[2:25:14] trailers.
[2:25:19] » It's all small equipment, right?
>> It's all small. Correct. Yeah.
[2:25:22] » Because in the past, I thought it was
like a limo.
[2:25:25] » So, it was a limo and then it's
plumbing. Was it plumbing business
[2:25:31] operating out of there? It's currently
still. That's how it is still.
[2:25:37] Correct. Yeah.
[2:25:50] No, you have
nonable
[2:25:58] gravel.
[2:26:10] » You said it's 75%.
I got it. So that is the reason the
[2:26:16] proposed it says gravel. I thought only
after that includes the front and the
[2:26:22] back.
>> Sure. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But
[2:26:26] if some of those um sidewalks or
driveways can be converted to permeable
[2:26:31] pavers that will help
>> the permeable pa which is a different
[2:26:38] » no the because we've installed them
which is with gravel base so the water
[2:26:42] perks right through it and it's it's
basically becomes a dry well. So the
[2:26:47] they have like 316
gap we don't use sand.
[2:26:51] » You would have to provide calculations.
>> Okay.
[2:26:57] » Sure. An engineer. So it's 75%.
Got it. Okay.
[2:27:10] » Yeah. Because I'm the grass, right?
Correct. Yeah. That by default the
[2:27:14] landscaping as well, right?
[2:27:22] It's a good project that you know you
might as well hope start off and
[2:27:26] » thank you.
>> Run with it,
[2:27:33] » right? It's one whole lot. Okay.
[2:27:44] Right.
>> Okay. I think
[2:27:48] » All right.
>> Thank you for coming.
[2:27:50] » Any questions department
happy to help you as much as they can.
[2:27:55] » Okay. Appreciate it.
>> Okay.
[2:27:58] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:28:04] » Do we have anything?
>> What? What?
[2:28:07] » July 22nd.
>> Motion to approve July 22nd minutes as
[2:28:12] approved. is corrected.
>> Motion to approve July 22nd minutes as
[2:28:17] amended.
>> Second.
[2:28:19] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:28:21] » I oppos. Anything else?
>> Motion to adjurnn.
[2:28:26] » Motion to adjurnn. Second.
>> Second.
[2:28:28] » All in favor? I
>> oppos
[2:28:36] 26.