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Okay, good evening everyone. We're going to call tonight's meeting

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to order. Can I start with an approval of the

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Agenda, please Councillor Andrews and Councillor Prendergast all in favor,

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and that is carried. Were there any disclosures of director

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indirect pecuniary interests tonight. Not seeing any. I will ask

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that you all rise if you're able for the Singing

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of our National Anthem.

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Lord. To. Love. In. All of us. Coming.

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With. Lord, we see. The rise. The true nor strong.

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And free. From. Far. And my. O Canada. We stand

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on God for the glory.

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Hus and free. We stand on God.

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For. Thee. Stand on. God.

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For. The. Acknowledge

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the treaty lands and territory of the Williams treaty nations

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and of the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation. We

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also recognise the Defen County is the traditional territory of

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the Wendat and the Honoshoune and is home to many

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indigenous people today. Tonight, I just wanted to take a

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moment before we get into our meeting to recognise to

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everybody that today is our last meeting of council for

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this term. With that, we do have a number of

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our members who are running for re - election, but

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we do have one to my left who is not.

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So I wanted to take just a moment to thank

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Councillor Andy McIntosh for his almost 40 years of public

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service, 30 of those years working for the fire department

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and eight, of course, being a member of council and

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a former deputy mayor. Andes dedication to the community is

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unparalleled. And I just really want to wish him all

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the best in his retirement and thank him for all

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of his work towards our community. So thank you, Andy.

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Okay, so tonight's meeting is being aired on Public Television

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considered public information and entered into the public record. We'll

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now move into the statutory matter for tonight's meeting. Idem

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7. 1 is regarding the official Plan Review. Staff have

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confirmed that notice was provided in accordance with the Planning

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Act for this item. I will now call upon Michael,

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principal at www. architect and planners to provide a presentation.

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Come on up. Thank you. The floor is yours.

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Can we just go there? Mike is on. Okay. My

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name is Michael Mathis. I'm a principal with WW -

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Plus P Architects and Planners. I'm a Land Use Planner

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and Urban Designer by training and I'm pleased to be

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here to speak to you tonight and give you an

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update on the official plan review process that we're undertaking.

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Um, this also satisfies a statutory requirement as you're aware

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under the Planning Act as part of our requirements to

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update the official plan. Next slide. Okay, so in terms

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of agenda, essentially want to provide you an update on

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the project and the work that we've completed today. There's

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four phases in our project and we're complete phase one

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and partway through phase two. Um, and then, uh, hold

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some time toward the end of course for discussions, questions,

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and answer, uh, welcome all comments and feedback on our

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process. Next slide. Okay, so why update the official plan?

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Um, this may be obvious to many of you, but,

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um, one of the principal reasons to update the official

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plan is that it's required under the planning act. It

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needs to be completed every 10 years when a municipality

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has newly adopted an official plan. And then every five

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years thereafter. So, um, new list to say Orangeville's due

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for an update and refresh of its an official plan.

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Um, the broader reason why you would want to review

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and update it, of course, is that things change. Uh,

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since it's initially being adopted. So there's a new realities,

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new challenges and opportunities that are confronting Orangeville today. Um,

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and the review and update of the official plan is

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an opportunity to recognise those and kind of martial our

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resources as we move forward. Next slide. There's been a

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fair bit of work that's been done so far. And

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many of you will be well aware of this. So

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the town lasts completed a significant review and update of

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its official plan back in 2009. And then per the

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requirements of the planning act began a process to update

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its official plan about five years after that. In the

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time that followed the initial restart of our initial start

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of that process to review and update the official plan.

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There were some significant changes to provincial planning policy. Um,

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many of you would have also heard about those through

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Bill, one of those 109 and others. Um, there were

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changes to the growth plan as well too. Those were

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consolidated into, um, uh, the provincial planning statement. So some

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significant changes around the planning context that underpins the official

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plan had transpired. This caused the town to pause the

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review process for updating its official plan. And in the

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meantime, the county undertook an update of its official plan.

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And since then, the county has completed that process. The

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provincial planning context is stabilized. So really the time is

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right for Orangeville to complete the review and update. Um,

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so that brings us to this year. We began our

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work beginning in March, I believe of this year. Um,

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and met with the steering committee for the official plan

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review and update in, in April. Next slide. So I

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mentioned that we have a four phase, uh, division of

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labour. Um, we're partway through phase one, which is really

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about setting the stage for our work. Um, phase one

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involved a detailed review and analysis of the planning context,

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including the official plan itself, but also the upper level

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policy documents that it needs to comply with. Um, and

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through phase one, which also included a fair bit of

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engagement and focus groups. And I know a number of

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you were a part of those focus groups. Um, we

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collected feedback on what's working well today. Where are there

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opportunities for improvement with the official plan? And what's the

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path that, that we want to take going forward? So

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that sets us up now for phase two, uh, which

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we're currently in and the subsequent phases. In phase two,

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um, our principal activity is developing a recommendations report where

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we're doing a little bit deeper dive on some of

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the key issues and matters that we identified in phase

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one. And I'll get into those a little bit later.

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the content will be that we'll recommend being included in

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the official plan. And then in phase three and phase

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four, we draft and then finalise the official plan. Along

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the bottom, you'll see the number of opportunities for engagement

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in this process. Um, today being one of those opportunities.

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public information centre that we're going to be hosting in

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September on September 22nd in the lobby just behind us

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as well too. That'll set us up to, uh, begin

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drafting the details of the official plan through the fall.

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again, be going back out to our focus groups, our

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steering committee, um, and then the public as well too

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to collect their feedback on the draft official plan. Next

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slide. So to give you a little bit more detail

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on the work that we've completed today, um, we organised

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that detailed review and analysis that I mentioned into kind

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of, uh, five background papers. So, uh, they're dealing with

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kind of overall policy review and conformity update. Another one's

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dealing with residential development matters. Uh, land use and retail.

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One's dealing with employment. So industrial lands and these types

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of activities. And then another one's dealing with natural heritage

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matters. So, uh, woodlands, Wetlands, um, and conservation of that

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habitat and those resources. Um, and again, those papers essentially

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set out a bit of a terms of reference and

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a bit of a checklist for us as we move

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forward in terms of things that we need to fix

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and improve in the official plan. Next slide. So what

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I'd like to do now is just give you a

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little bit more detail, uh, on some of these papers.

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Um, so that you have a bit of a sense

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of some of our findings. Um, they're fairly detailed. They're

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available on our project website now. And I believe, uh,

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some of you would have been circulated on them. Um,

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so this is really just a snapshot of the content

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within those papers. But to give you a bit of

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a flavour. So from a natural heritage system perspective, one

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of the first things that our team noticed, and we

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were supported in this by another consulting called North South

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Environmental. We noticed that the mapping between, um, the county

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official plan, the conservation authorities mapping and then the towns

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mapping was a little bit different. And the gaps between

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it. So the kind of truest representation of the, on

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the ground reality of those, uh, heritage systems is the

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conservation authorities mapping. So the recommendation there is to, is

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to follow the conservation authorities mapping. The county is actually

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undertaking some of this work right now. And that should

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dovetail well with our process. So we're anticipating using the

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counties updated mapping through its OPA number five, uh, to

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inform the final version of Orangeville's official plan. Um, some

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other observations on the natural heritage side include, um, a

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need to adopt what's called a systems - based approach

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to policy. So when the official plan was originally drafted

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in 1987, the approach to regulating natural heritage was a

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little bit different. Nowadays, subject experts encourage us to follow

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what's called a systems - based approach. So looking at

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these things, not in isolation, but as part of, you

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know, a greater whole, uh, appropriately. There's also some opportunity

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to just improve the clarity of policy overall with respect

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to natural heritage resources. Um, and that should make it

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easier for staff too when they're implementing the official plan.

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Um, especially as it relates to development of new areas

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where often they're coming up against kind of woodlands and

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wetlands, um, and, and needing to define what those areas

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are and how those should be conserved through development. So

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definite opportunity to kind of improve the clarity of those

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policies. Next slide. Okay. Getting into the economic side. So,

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um, in terms of employment lands, um, you know, what

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you'll see on this slide and then also the following

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slide is that there's, um, call it kind of strong

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demand for, uh, industrial land are very low kind of

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industrial vacancy rate. And again, we were supported in this

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by another consultant called Parcel Economics. He's a part of

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the team. So the key takeaway here is that there's

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a lack of, um, of available, uh, adequately sized sites

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that have good access to the highway. Um, so they

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called them lack of shovel ready sites. There are kind

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of undeveloped employment lands within Orangeville's municipal boundary. But simply

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put, they're kind of in the wrong spot. They don't

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have good enough access to the highway and they're not

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kind of desirable from that perspective. Um, as you're all

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well aware, um, Orangeville doesn't have a lot of available

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LAM for development. Um, and it's been undertaking a process

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to explore expanding its municipal boundary. Um, one of the

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findings from our employment analysis is that when that happens,

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consideration should be brought to where employment lands should live

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as part of that expanded boundary. That needs to be

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part of the consideration and not just housing. And that

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backs up the work that the growth management study was

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finding as well too. So not, not kind of a

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new conclusion in that respect. This may sound a little

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bit counterintuitive, but there are employees, you know, I'm saying

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on the one hand, you don't have enough employment lands.

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It's in the wrong location. But some of the employment

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lines you do have, um, they're maybe not the, they're

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in the right location for, uh, employment development. So they

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should be redesignated for residential uses, which can help Orangeville

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meet another one of its needs, which is providing more

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land for residential development. So there's a little bit of

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a balancing out there that can happen. Um, so for

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instance, those would be lands around Hanson Boulevard, which are

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currently designated for employment, but should be redesignated for residential

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to align with the county OP. Um, but then also

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in the, in the northwest corner of the town along

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County Road 16, the employment lads there that again, they're

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not, they don't have great access. So those could be

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redesignated for residential. Excuse me. Next slide. In terms of

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commercial land. Uh, again, kind of very, very, uh, strong

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demand overall and low vacancy rate is kind of one

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of the key findings here. Um, nevertheless, when, when parcel

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kind of dug into the numbers and looked at how

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much commercial land ought to be supplied and supported by

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the population of Orangeville and the surrounding area, uh, parcel

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found that there was, uh, kind of, it was very

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well supplied. Let's put it that way from a commercial

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space perspective. So they're kind of key takeaway was don't

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add a lot of new commercial space. Right. So there

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isn't a need based on, you know, current population and

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projective population to add large new retail nodes or power

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centres. Rather, the takeaway here is to build on what's

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already working well and continue to strengthen and cultivate that.

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Right. So there's good kind of commercial development and a

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lot of Broadway. That's one scale of development. I think

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through the official plan review, we want to see how

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we can continue to nurture that and cultivate that. Um,

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some of the larger kind of power centres around Highway

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10, um, perhaps over time, some of those could be

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redeveloped. The large surface parking lots may support other uses

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as well too. So there's opportunity for that. And as

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that occurs, the finding is, let's not create a lot

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of new commercial area. Let's just make better use of

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the land that we have and diversify the uses there.

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Next slide. Okay. From a residential perspective, definitely heard that

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there's a need for more affordable housing options and just

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more housing options in general within the town. Um, you

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know, this is something that came across loud and clear

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from a number of focus groups that we had as,

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as well, uh, with different members of the community and

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also council. We also observed that some of the existing

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policies of the official plan make it a little bit

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more complex for residential development. And I'm talking about grade

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related residential development, like detached home semi - detached homes

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townhouses. Some of the policies around that are maybe a

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little more complicated than, than they need to be to

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achieve some of the outcomes that we think the town

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would be looking for. So we think the opportunity to

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simplify those and make it a little bit easier to,

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uh, develop that form of housing while still achieving what

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the town is looking for. Um, you know, to give

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you an example of it, and I'll show you a

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slide later on. There's kind of five divisions of residential

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density. And it's quite fine grain, right? So I think

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there's definitely an opportunity to consolidate that, uh, through the

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official plan amendment. Um, we also found, um, that residential

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growth is increasingly going to rely on medium and high

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density housing form. So predominantly townhouse is also some apartment

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buildings as well too. Um, a large part of that

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is driven by the lack of kind of available land

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within the town of Orangeville. So can't necessarily build out

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right now need to build up. Um, which is really

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a tremendous opportunity to make good use of the available

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municipal services at the town does have. Um, certainly on

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a, on a kind of cost per linear square foot

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basis, it's better for, um, municipality building up and intensifying.

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Um, so in terms of recommendations, again, we're, we're looking

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to provide clear direction to encourage that medium density and

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higher density residential development in appropriate locations. Part of that

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is kind of refining how we look at intensification within

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the town. And I'll show you some mapping on that

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in a few slides. Um, and then also just wanting

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to streamline our overall approach to residential development to line

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up with provincial policy as well, too. Next slide. Okay.

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So in terms of policy review and conformity update, um,

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one of the kind of key changes that's affecting our

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work right now, uh, is coming to us through Bill

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98. And that's introduced to the planning act, a standardized

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set of requirements for an official plan that will be

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common to all municipalities within the province. Um, so kind

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of an exciting moment for land use planning because it's,

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it's a bit of a big change. Um, and a

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standardization across the province. Um, and it does mean that

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we need to kind of relook at, um, some of

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the, um, you know, particular, particularities of the official plan.

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So for instance, with land use, um, on the slide

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in front of you in the chart, you'll see on

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the right column, there's a number of different commercial designation.

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So central business district, general commercial neighbourhood commercial restricted commercial

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mixed use neighbourhood makes use commercial service commercial. Several of

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those allow for residential development and non - residential development.

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Not all of them do. I think the service commercial

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does not. So under Bill 98, there's one designation. It's

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mixed use areas. So there was a reason at one

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point in time when council thought it appropriate to have

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these many different designations. Right. So part of our work

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now is to unpack what the objectives of those designations

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are and see where the map them on to the

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mixed use designation. Or do they belong somewhere else? So

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just to give you a bit of a sense, that's

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some of the work that We're under taking now in

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phase two. And we'll be continuing in phase three. I

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think I've covered much of the key takeaways from the

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policy paper, maybe just to say that, uh, I mentioned

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the growth management, uh, study that is informing our work.

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Also the transportation master plan, uh, we're, we're kind of

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closely following its recommendations as well too. And that'll come

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across in our recommendations report. Um, maybe the last point

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kind of on this side that I'll add is that

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we've, uh, begun a conversation with the county, um, in

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terms of our alignment with the Bill 98 structure. And

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they're broadly supportive of it. We brought that to the

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steering committee previously. Um, members of the steering committee acknowledged,

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yes, this is the way to go. So that's great.

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We will be meeting with MMAH later this week, I

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believe, again, to continue that conversation of how do we

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align with that structure. It's fairly new. So the only

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two municipalities that I'm aware of in the province that

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have followed that structure, um, so it's a little bit

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exciting to be kind of blazing a new trail in

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that respect. Next slide. And just to show you what

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that structure is. So on the, on the right, that

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is the table of content of, um, of, of the

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official plan under Bill 98. And we've just circled in

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red a couple of, um, of chapters of it, so

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to speak that aren't currently within the orangeville official plant.

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So just to make it clear for everyone, this isn't

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a radically different way of doing planning. Most official plans

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across the province broadly contain the same content. But Bill

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98 will standardize them. And as you can expect, there's

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a few gaps between it and the official plan today.

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So that's all this slide calls out. Next slide. Okay.

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I'll show you a few pictures and then we can

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get to some QA. So these are really just meant

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to illustrate some of the themes that I was discussing

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earlier. And this map here, um, overlays the county's employment

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lands designation in the orange hatch on top of the

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town's employment land designation in the purple below. And you

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can see that generally it lines up, but there's some

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areas where it doesn't. So, um, again, around handsome boulevard,

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it's not designated in the county's OP. It is in

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the towns. We need to fix that. That's not a

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surprise to anyone. There's the employment land again along County

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Road 16. Um, that was recommended for removal in the

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land needs assessment as well as our employment land study.

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So we'll be looking to take that out through the

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OP review and update. We'll also need to coordinate that

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with the county since it is currently mapped in the

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county's official plan. So the technical alignment exercise that we

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need to do with the county, what we've already begun,

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those conversations with them. And then just to say that

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there are little, uh, little peculiarities with, with the OP

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is you'd expect can kind of accumulate over time. So

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for instance, we're just calling out a very small parcel

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that is designated as employment lads. Um, not sure exactly

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why it's that way. So we'll be digging into that.

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But, um, it doesn't really make a ton of sense

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to designate a tiny little parcel like that as employment

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lands. Much of the purpose of this designation is to

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create separation from it and other residential uses namely. So,

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so anyway, just a little detail that we need to

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address. Next slide. Again, to kind of highlight an emphasize

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some of the kind of fine - grained nature of

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some of the land use designation. So these are all

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of the different commercial designations that I mentioned a couple

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slides ago kind of mapped out across the town and

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bolded. Um, so under Bill 98, these will sift into

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likely one of two categories, the mixed use of the

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mixed use commercial. Um, so again, part of the work

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that we're undertaking now is determining which one makes the

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most sense. The neighborhood's designation, which is the main kind

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of residential designation for Bill 98. It does also allow

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for some commercial development. So some of these very isolated

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kind of light blue neighbourhood commercial blocks where you may

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have a corner store, a small business. Some of those

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may end up in neighbourhoods. Um, but, you know, the

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more conversation to be had about those. We're not at

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a point today where we're recommending that these kind of

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designations or changes in land use happen. That's very much

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kind of the work that we're embarking on now. But

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just to give you a bit of a sense of

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where we're headed. Next slide. From an intensification perspective, I

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mentioned the opportunity to kind of, um, uh, rationalize this.

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Um, there are some just simple updates that need to

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be made. So I think since the last official plan

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review and update, there's been development. That's good. That's what

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we want. Um, some of the lands that are designated

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as green field. I have since been developed. So we

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need to update those. Um, and those are kind of

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called out on the map. Um, the OP also identifies

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a number of discrete parcels kind of spread across the

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town, um, as intensification areas. And it's not clear kind

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of what determined or what went into determining those as

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intensification areas. Generally, it's kind of underdeveloped or undeveloped lots,

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which is fine. Um, but the best practice from a

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planning perspective would really be to speak to a broader

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area or a set of principles that would be where

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you'd want kind of intensification to occur. And typically it's

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where we have the best road access, the best public

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transit access and the best access to public services and

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facilities. So, um, in broad strokes, it's largely going to

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be Broadway in First Street as the major intensification areas.

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And then highway 10 and some of the commercial lands

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around that also presenting kind of a strong case for

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intensification. I think overall though, especially with the lack of

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developible land that Orangeville has, all areas should allow for

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some intensification. So we'll definitely be making that as part

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of the framework within the official plan. And part of

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the dialogue going forward. Next slide. And then one last

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image just to kind of, um, illustrate the, again, that

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kind of fine grain approach to density that currently lives

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within the official plan. So, um, these are sort of

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overlays on a residential designation, which is, you know, low

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density multiple, low density residential and so on. Um, and

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this is what I was saying in terms of being

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very kind of particular and specific about where these uses

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occur. This is more like what we would want to

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see in kind of a zoning bilaw, for instance, where

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you're very specific lot by lot in terms of what

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gets developed. I think from an official plan perspective, it's

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an opportunity to take a bit of a step back

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and set some of the principles and be clear about

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those for what, what type of development should happen and

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where. Um, and then allow the zoning by a lot

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to kind of do its work. So just to say

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that under Bill 98, we've got kind of one designation

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of play with, which is neighbourhoods. Um, but we don't

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want to gloss over, you know, either some of the

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unique aspects of these neighbourhoods. So how do we do

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that? You know, that's what we're kind of working on

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right now. Um, and welcome feedback on this. Next slide.

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We've had a number of conversations that have fed into

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today. So I mentioned a number of focus groups that

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we've undertaken through the spring and early into the summer.

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Um, we've also been engaging with local First Nations, so

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Mississaugas is a credit First Nation. Um, Hodenenosone development institute

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in Sargina Jibway nation. Um, and those conversations will kind

476
00:34:15,107 --> 00:34:18,547
of repeat again, um, we're expecting for that to occur

477
00:34:19,048 --> 00:34:21,507
in early next year once we have a draft official

478
00:34:21,528 --> 00:34:24,707
plan and something for people to react to. Um, but

479
00:34:24,808 --> 00:34:27,747
all the feedback from these events has helped to inform

480
00:34:27,768 --> 00:34:30,227
our work and we'll continue to do so. Next slide.

481
00:34:33,467 --> 00:34:35,686
Okay. I'll wrap it up pretty quickly here. But just

482
00:34:35,686 --> 00:34:37,046
to give a bit of a flavour of what we've

483
00:34:37,067 --> 00:34:42,966
heard really, you know, kind of we're in consulting on

484
00:34:43,006 --> 00:34:45,526
a lot of different topics. So maybe starting from a

485
00:34:45,566 --> 00:34:49,926
development perspective. I've heard from some that parking requirements are

486
00:34:49,966 --> 00:34:52,486
a little bit too high feel it makes it harder

487
00:34:52,507 --> 00:34:57,286
to create housing. Um, also, uh, you know, a recognition

488
00:34:57,326 --> 00:35:02,086
that there's some inconsistency between employment lad uses and county

489
00:35:02,126 --> 00:35:05,086
policies. So we spoke a little bit about that. I

490
00:35:05,086 --> 00:35:09,686
think from a housing and social services perspective heard a

491
00:35:09,686 --> 00:35:12,726
lot about a need for a more, uh, robust, affordable

492
00:35:13,067 --> 00:35:17,126
housing policy framework and a clear kind of definition of

493
00:35:17,166 --> 00:35:21,846
affordable housing. And definitely like just overall in a need

494
00:35:21,846 --> 00:35:25,526
for more housing options. So recognising it's not all about

495
00:35:25,867 --> 00:35:27,806
kind of policy, but also a need to kind of

496
00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:31,139
bring market forces to bear on that. Um, I think

497
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,219
from a, you know, kind of from ecological perspective as

498
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,579
well too. Um, you know, a recognition that there's many

499
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,339
important features in the town that need to be conserved.

500
00:35:42,339 --> 00:35:45,299
Um, uh, and, and, and a lot of interest in

501
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,896
that as well too. Next slide. I think that, oh,

502
00:35:50,896 --> 00:35:53,596
okay. Next steps. Um, I've already spoken a little bit

503
00:35:53,596 --> 00:35:56,336
about this. So we've gone over what we've done in

504
00:35:56,357 --> 00:35:59,136
phase one. There's been a fair bit of work today.

505
00:35:59,136 --> 00:36:03,456
We're here tonight for our statute story special counsel meeting.

506
00:36:03,456 --> 00:36:05,616
Um, and then in phase two, as I mentioned, we're

507
00:36:05,656 --> 00:36:08,496
working on a recommendations report right now. That'll be available

508
00:36:09,797 --> 00:36:12,336
later this fall. We're going to be having a public

509
00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:16,896
information centre, as I mentioned, uh, September 22nd. Um, so

510
00:36:16,997 --> 00:36:20,416
hope to see folks there as well too to provide

511
00:36:20,456 --> 00:36:24,096
their feedback. Um, and then again, this all leads into

512
00:36:24,117 --> 00:36:26,816
phase three where we really start drafting the official plan

513
00:36:26,997 --> 00:36:31,859
update in earnest kind of beginning in October. Next slide.

514
00:36:32,855 --> 00:36:37,965
That's it. Thank you very much for your presentation. Um,

515
00:36:37,965 --> 00:36:40,825
we have no registered get delegates for this item. So

516
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:43,385
we'll move straight into verbal comments during the meeting. I

517
00:36:43,526 --> 00:36:46,185
understand that there was somebody who potentially joined online. So

518
00:36:46,185 --> 00:36:49,585
if that online person wishes to speak, please dial star

519
00:36:49,606 --> 00:36:51,265
nine to raise your hand. So I'll give you a

520
00:36:51,265 --> 00:36:58,233
second to do that. Nothing from. No. Okay. So we'll

521
00:36:58,233 --> 00:36:59,593
now ask then if there are any members of the

522
00:36:59,633 --> 00:37:02,433
public present who wish to speak to this item, a

523
00:37:02,433 --> 00:37:05,033
reminder that you're afforded three minutes to present your information.

524
00:37:05,033 --> 00:37:07,473
And it does have to do with this item. So

525
00:37:07,534 --> 00:37:09,673
was there anybody here who wished to speak to that?

526
00:37:09,673 --> 00:37:09,833
Come on up.

527
00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:21,134
And same as always name and address for the record

528
00:37:21,635 --> 00:37:24,115
and we'll get it on for you. Oh, sorry. There

529
00:37:24,115 --> 00:37:29,046
you go. Matthew Smith, 38. McCarthy Street. In regards to

530
00:37:29,086 --> 00:37:32,546
the rezoning of the employment lands to residential in the

531
00:37:32,546 --> 00:37:36,246
Northwest part of the town. Is that considered a normal

532
00:37:36,347 --> 00:37:40,806
practice, a best practice, especially considering we're kind of my

533
00:37:40,846 --> 00:37:44,566
word starved for industrial land? Should we really be removing

534
00:37:44,606 --> 00:37:48,486
that from the zoning and converting it to residential zoning?

535
00:37:48,486 --> 00:37:51,718
Thank you. Thank you. Brenda, do you want to speak

536
00:37:51,718 --> 00:37:57,941
to that? Yeah, sure. Thank you Mayor Posten. Through you,

537
00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:01,061
it's a practice that is expected to happen through a

538
00:38:01,061 --> 00:38:04,421
process like this. Like we've had a consultant team not

539
00:38:04,421 --> 00:38:07,141
only with the growth management study, but also now with

540
00:38:07,141 --> 00:38:09,381
the official plan review, both come to the same conclusion

541
00:38:09,482 --> 00:38:13,381
regarding those lands. And yes, they're designated employment. Yes, we

542
00:38:13,381 --> 00:38:16,181
need employment land as part of future forecast. But the

543
00:38:16,181 --> 00:38:19,301
reality is those lands are not realistic to achieve those

544
00:38:19,802 --> 00:38:24,684
demands. And there to redesignate them. And in doing so,

545
00:38:24,724 --> 00:38:27,324
you achieve other objectives. You provide more land for housing,

546
00:38:27,324 --> 00:38:30,085
which we also need to provide for. Thank you for

547
00:38:30,085 --> 00:38:32,545
your comments. Thank you. Was there anybody else in the

548
00:38:32,545 --> 00:38:35,917
gallery who wish to speak to this item. Not seeing

549
00:38:35,957 --> 00:38:39,518
any. Okay. So next then I would like to acknowledge

550
00:38:39,558 --> 00:38:42,158
that we did not receive any written comments on this

551
00:38:42,158 --> 00:38:45,038
item. So we'll move straight into questions for members of

552
00:38:45,078 --> 00:38:53,846
council. Councillor Prendergast. Actually. Councillor Andrews. They switched away

553
00:38:55,227 --> 00:38:57,766
the lineup here tonight. Thank you very much, your worship.

554
00:38:57,766 --> 00:38:59,926
And I guess our delegation, you have the opportunity to

555
00:38:59,926 --> 00:39:01,686
go back to the microphone because we're going to be

556
00:39:01,686 --> 00:39:04,246
asking you some questions and posing some comments as well.

557
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,779
Thank you, worship. Michael again, truly a pleasure to have

558
00:39:10,779 --> 00:39:14,139
you back. Uh, we had the opportunity to engage with

559
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,379
your firm and yourself, uh, during the June 9th. Focus

560
00:39:18,379 --> 00:39:20,699
group session. And that was really a productive opportunity for

561
00:39:20,739 --> 00:39:24,299
the economic development committee, which I chair. And this really

562
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,499
falls very much under economic development. Um, you know, we

563
00:39:27,499 --> 00:39:29,259
take a look at where some of this will end

564
00:39:29,259 --> 00:39:32,419
up leading our municipality for the next 30 years. I

565
00:39:32,419 --> 00:39:34,979
think it's critical for us for each one of us

566
00:39:34,979 --> 00:39:39,419
who have various representation and our files this term to

567
00:39:39,459 --> 00:39:42,279
align ourselves accordingly. So I do have a comment, uh,

568
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,419
and a question or a couple of questions. Um, I

569
00:39:45,419 --> 00:39:47,819
think what was really interesting was not only the amount

570
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,859
of information that you've been able to generate so far,

571
00:39:50,859 --> 00:39:52,699
but the amount of work that your firm has done

572
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,579
in collaboration with Mr. Ward and Ms. Russell and the

573
00:39:55,579 --> 00:39:58,219
team there. And this really is, I think, providing us

574
00:39:58,219 --> 00:40:01,899
a roadmap to where we eventually will be. There's also

575
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,939
some other factors that we're having to deal with as

576
00:40:04,939 --> 00:40:07,659
we know most recently this past weekend. We had some

577
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,659
potential wins change within our country. And we still don't

578
00:40:11,699 --> 00:40:14,379
know what the effects will be two years out, three

579
00:40:14,379 --> 00:40:16,779
years out or 10 years out. Um, that will be,

580
00:40:16,779 --> 00:40:19,099
I guess, determined by a different level of government. Having

581
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,499
said that, you know, looking at the complexities we have

582
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,619
on number one, another file of mine affordable, attainable housing.

583
00:40:26,619 --> 00:40:29,019
So I'll talk to that in a second. Uh, employment

584
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,699
lands, where they are and where they could be eventually,

585
00:40:32,699 --> 00:40:35,579
if we look at other options. The third, of course,

586
00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:38,859
is commercial space, which you highlighted in your report up

587
00:40:38,899 --> 00:40:41,659
to this point, where we may have maybe too much

588
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,259
commercial space. That's what, you know, when I read between

589
00:40:45,299 --> 00:40:48,379
the lines, that's what I was hearing and emerging theme.

590
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:49,979
But at the same time, I think what we need

591
00:40:49,979 --> 00:40:51,579
to do is take a look at how we can

592
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,619
best utilise what we have based on what we know

593
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,899
today, but also prepare for what we may see coming

594
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,499
over the horizon and be that from a patriotic perspective,

595
00:41:01,499 --> 00:41:03,499
which I think is going to be embraced even more

596
00:41:03,499 --> 00:41:06,833
so in the coming months and coming years. Um, moving

597
00:41:07,014 --> 00:41:10,753
into some things specifically in what you've highlighted so far

598
00:41:11,574 --> 00:41:15,473
was in fact the ortainable housing. And so again, I

599
00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,793
think that really what I was trying to get from

600
00:41:18,294 --> 00:41:21,713
maybe you this evening is not necessarily where it aligns

601
00:41:21,753 --> 00:41:24,193
with the official plan. And again, Mr. Ward or Ms.

602
00:41:24,214 --> 00:41:27,473
Russell may be able to also provide some points of

603
00:41:27,513 --> 00:41:29,473
reference. But it's really a matter of taking a look

604
00:41:29,473 --> 00:41:33,953
at how can we attract additional investment in our community.

605
00:41:33,953 --> 00:41:36,233
So that's, I think, part of the question. And the

606
00:41:36,233 --> 00:41:38,993
other is that definition that you even highlighted that in

607
00:41:39,014 --> 00:41:42,913
your presentation, what is that definition from your perspective of

608
00:41:43,414 --> 00:41:45,633
affordable housing? And then I have a couple other questions

609
00:41:46,134 --> 00:41:52,124
or worship. Thank you for the comment, Councillor Andrews and

610
00:41:52,124 --> 00:41:55,804
also for the question. Um, yeah, absolutely hear you in

611
00:41:55,804 --> 00:41:59,004
terms of the shifting economic realities. And I think it

612
00:41:59,004 --> 00:42:01,644
behooves the official plan. And as a tenant of good

613
00:42:01,665 --> 00:42:06,604
planning practice, flexibility is key. Um, of course, we can't

614
00:42:06,644 --> 00:42:10,264
be too flexible. So it's actually really about balance. And

615
00:42:10,264 --> 00:42:14,124
the simple answer to it. So not all unfold and

616
00:42:14,124 --> 00:42:16,764
we'll, we'll, we'll work with yourself and other members of

617
00:42:16,804 --> 00:42:19,884
council too. And, you know, as a time comes to

618
00:42:19,924 --> 00:42:22,724
kind of get that balance right. Um, in terms of

619
00:42:22,945 --> 00:42:26,844
definition for affordable housing, we haven't landed on one yet.

620
00:42:26,844 --> 00:42:29,724
Um, so some of that works still is to come.

621
00:42:29,724 --> 00:42:32,924
I think from, from our perspective, it makes sense to

622
00:42:33,185 --> 00:42:37,544
index it to income. Um, so you want to, you

623
00:42:37,544 --> 00:42:39,564
know, and then how much as a percentage of your

624
00:42:39,585 --> 00:42:41,724
income, do you want to be spending on affordable housing

625
00:42:42,625 --> 00:42:45,404
is, you know, I think CMHC uses 30 percent or

626
00:42:45,404 --> 00:42:49,084
so. There's, uh, there are different ways of looking at

627
00:42:49,124 --> 00:42:52,684
it depending on, uh, kind of local income levels. Like

628
00:42:52,684 --> 00:42:55,084
in some areas 30 percent is kind of still not

629
00:42:55,345 --> 00:42:57,964
realistic. So the need to kind of find tune it.

630
00:42:57,964 --> 00:43:00,684
So don't have the definition right now. I think that's,

631
00:43:00,684 --> 00:43:02,924
that's very much part of our work beginning in phase

632
00:43:03,985 --> 00:43:08,124
two with the recommendations report. I appreciate your candidness on

633
00:43:08,124 --> 00:43:10,844
that. And I think just to kind of zero in

634
00:43:10,884 --> 00:43:13,244
on that particular item, I think it is very difficult

635
00:43:13,345 --> 00:43:16,284
for us to define it here at a local level.

636
00:43:16,284 --> 00:43:19,084
Yet it is the individuals, the consumer who will determine

637
00:43:19,105 --> 00:43:22,284
the affordability as well. One example that I just wanted

638
00:43:22,324 --> 00:43:24,764
to highlight be that to you and publicly. And I

639
00:43:24,764 --> 00:43:27,084
may have mentioned this to you during our economic development

640
00:43:27,345 --> 00:43:31,004
focus. Um, there is a new development just south of

641
00:43:31,044 --> 00:43:33,964
Paris Sound called the Nest. It is really garnering quite

642
00:43:33,985 --> 00:43:37,484
a bit of national, I guess, attention because of the

643
00:43:37,505 --> 00:43:39,404
fact that they decided not to take a look at

644
00:43:39,505 --> 00:43:42,044
was defined of affordable. They came up with a price

645
00:43:42,084 --> 00:43:45,724
point that was deemed to be affordable. So you can

646
00:43:45,764 --> 00:43:50,031
actually buy a single detached home. For 399, 000 dollars.

647
00:43:50,752 --> 00:43:52,811
Which is really remarkable when you take a look at

648
00:43:52,811 --> 00:43:54,571
the bill. Now it doesn't come with basements and that's

649
00:43:54,571 --> 00:43:57,371
for another conversation. But just a reference point. The other

650
00:43:57,392 --> 00:43:59,931
piece that was highlighted was in fact, the complexity of

651
00:44:00,192 --> 00:44:02,891
some of our industrial space that we have. And you

652
00:44:02,891 --> 00:44:05,911
did highlight in this preliminary report also some of the

653
00:44:06,432 --> 00:44:10,171
areas where we do have some potential growth. But again,

654
00:44:10,192 --> 00:44:12,731
this is something that I'm also very much familiar with

655
00:44:12,912 --> 00:44:17,611
where we have some challenges in relationship to the intermodal

656
00:44:17,651 --> 00:44:20,531
connection or the close proximity to highway 10. I think

657
00:44:20,531 --> 00:44:22,331
that the opportunity is to take a look at something

658
00:44:22,371 --> 00:44:25,371
that might be closer towards the arteries where most of

659
00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,291
our transportation network occurs. And if there is that flexibility

660
00:44:29,472 --> 00:44:33,291
moving ahead, and again, the more conversation happening in the

661
00:44:33,632 --> 00:44:36,411
not too distant future. And just to zero in on

662
00:44:36,411 --> 00:44:38,331
one other part that was part of my file, which

663
00:44:38,352 --> 00:44:45,211
was equity diversity inclusion, you talked about your indigenous connections.

664
00:44:45,211 --> 00:44:47,011
And I know that, you know, from a municipality, we

665
00:44:47,011 --> 00:44:50,971
went through quite a lengthy exercise, even two previous term

666
00:44:51,472 --> 00:44:53,611
trying to land on our land acknowledgement and trying to

667
00:44:54,112 --> 00:44:59,451
zero in on exactly appropriate conversations with the appropriate indigenous

668
00:44:59,472 --> 00:45:01,691
representation. So my question to you is how did you

669
00:45:01,712 --> 00:45:05,691
determine your indigenous engagement so far a part of this,

670
00:45:05,691 --> 00:45:09,761
uh, this study. Now, thank you for the question. Um,

671
00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:13,761
we don't do it alone. It's a simple answer. So,

672
00:45:13,761 --> 00:45:16,881
um, we interface with the county of Dufferin early on.

673
00:45:16,881 --> 00:45:20,561
And they've recently completed their official plan review and update.

674
00:45:20,561 --> 00:45:23,521
So, uh, we reached out to them through Brandon and

675
00:45:23,561 --> 00:45:26,641
Larissa, uh, for, for a contact list and recommendations on

676
00:45:26,662 --> 00:45:28,961
who to speak to. So that's one thing that we

677
00:45:29,001 --> 00:45:32,081
looked at. We also look at who the treaty rights

678
00:45:32,081 --> 00:45:35,361
holders are. I think from an engagement perspective and definitely

679
00:45:35,361 --> 00:45:38,481
from an indigenous engagement perspective, it's important to recognise that

680
00:45:38,521 --> 00:45:41,281
treaty rights holders have a privilege place or ought to

681
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:45,281
have a privilege place in conversations. Um, so we wanted

682
00:45:45,321 --> 00:45:47,041
to make sure that we were, we were covering our

683
00:45:47,222 --> 00:45:49,841
bases in that respect. And the two treaty rights holders

684
00:45:50,182 --> 00:45:54,081
is I understand them. Our seguginajibway nation and Mississaugas of

685
00:45:54,081 --> 00:45:57,441
the credits First Nation. I say as I understand, because

686
00:45:57,441 --> 00:46:00,321
I'm not a lawyer. I'm not an expert in treaties.

687
00:46:00,321 --> 00:46:02,001
So I'm doing my best a little bit with the

688
00:46:02,022 --> 00:46:05,521
information available. Um, but that isn't to say we shut

689
00:46:05,561 --> 00:46:07,921
ourselves off from other First Nations. So we also spoke

690
00:46:07,921 --> 00:46:11,761
with the Hodnosone Development Institute. And I understand Laurissa reached

691
00:46:11,761 --> 00:46:15,341
out to, I think every, every nation that county, uh,

692
00:46:15,341 --> 00:46:18,401
put us in touch with. Yeah. I think that's appreciative

693
00:46:18,401 --> 00:46:20,401
to hear because I think it's very important to have

694
00:46:20,401 --> 00:46:23,361
as much engagement as possible as much as there may

695
00:46:23,361 --> 00:46:25,761
be differences of opinion within some of the different bands

696
00:46:26,022 --> 00:46:28,801
and the leaders. But consensus building is part of this

697
00:46:28,841 --> 00:46:31,601
whole process. And again, I appreciate you being here this

698
00:46:31,601 --> 00:46:34,001
evening and the answers you provided to the questions I've

699
00:46:34,022 --> 00:46:40,282
had. That's all I have. Thank you, Councillor Andrews. Councillor

700
00:46:40,303 --> 00:46:43,162
Sherwood. Yes. Thank you, worship. Um, I just wanted to

701
00:46:43,162 --> 00:46:46,482
make a couple of comments in my observation listening to

702
00:46:46,482 --> 00:46:51,642
your presentation. I'm quite concerned about, um, the proposed recommendation

703
00:46:51,682 --> 00:46:56,422
about the employment lands and converting them to residential. And

704
00:46:56,783 --> 00:47:00,202
another comment that you made that kind of, um, struck

705
00:47:00,242 --> 00:47:04,522
me was about, um, not building as much commercial as

706
00:47:04,522 --> 00:47:08,842
well. So those are the two tax classes that if

707
00:47:08,943 --> 00:47:12,362
we, if we send them, if we make them residential

708
00:47:12,463 --> 00:47:16,522
properties, we're then putting more of the tax burning on

709
00:47:16,522 --> 00:47:20,522
the residential properties. We need commercial. We need industrial lands

710
00:47:20,783 --> 00:47:25,162
because they help carry the brunt of the tax increases

711
00:47:25,583 --> 00:47:30,042
to give more relief to our residential. Don't get me

712
00:47:30,082 --> 00:47:34,522
wrong. I'm all for residential growth, but I'm really hesitant

713
00:47:35,023 --> 00:47:39,082
on giving up such lands that, first of all, we're

714
00:47:39,263 --> 00:47:41,562
in dire need. That's all we ever hear is, oh,

715
00:47:41,743 --> 00:47:44,842
you know, we, we need more industrial land to help

716
00:47:45,343 --> 00:47:48,922
with that tax burden on the residential properties. So in

717
00:47:48,962 --> 00:47:53,962
this recommendation, would those, um, lands, and this may go

718
00:47:53,962 --> 00:47:58,282
to staff or whoever. When the recommendation comes, I guess

719
00:47:58,322 --> 00:48:02,442
in the spring of 2027 for final approval, will the

720
00:48:02,482 --> 00:48:07,962
B a resignation change the zoning on those employment lands

721
00:48:08,703 --> 00:48:11,722
to residential? Does that automatically happen or is that another

722
00:48:11,743 --> 00:48:15,162
process that would change the zoning of the lands during

723
00:48:15,183 --> 00:48:18,202
a different process? And I'm not sure who wants to

724
00:48:18,242 --> 00:48:20,930
answer that. Mr. Ward, do you want to take it?

725
00:48:21,591 --> 00:48:23,890
Yeah, yeah, sure. Through you Mayor Post, I can attempt

726
00:48:23,911 --> 00:48:26,530
to answer that. So through this process, they could be

727
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:30,210
redesignated. Um, there's also a county approval involved at the

728
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:32,450
end of the day that this amendment or this new

729
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:34,650
official plan does go to the county for approval. We

730
00:48:34,791 --> 00:48:38,130
started those conversations with them at this stage about what

731
00:48:38,311 --> 00:48:41,570
that means in terms of redesignating that area from employment

732
00:48:41,831 --> 00:48:44,930
to non - employment uses. And I think we know

733
00:48:45,191 --> 00:48:47,970
and appreciate that we need employment land for long -

734
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:50,850
term growth. That's something we've talked about for as long

735
00:48:50,871 --> 00:48:53,230
as I've been here and even prior to that. But

736
00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:55,250
I think the reality we're looking at is we need

737
00:48:55,271 --> 00:48:58,610
not just employment land. We need the right employment land.

738
00:48:58,610 --> 00:49:00,770
And I think those land in that area are showing

739
00:49:00,871 --> 00:49:03,770
over time that they're not right for that use. So

740
00:49:04,471 --> 00:49:07,870
it makes sense to consider e designating the mouseware. Um,

741
00:49:08,391 --> 00:49:10,210
with that said, I think it's going to put pressure

742
00:49:10,231 --> 00:49:13,810
on how do we find more land to accommodate employment

743
00:49:13,831 --> 00:49:18,586
that we need for the long - term growth. Yeah.

744
00:49:18,586 --> 00:49:23,306
So, um, respectfully, Mr. Ward, I disagree only because I

745
00:49:23,346 --> 00:49:25,626
feel that we need to protect a little bit of

746
00:49:25,727 --> 00:49:28,266
employment land that we have hopefully something could come along

747
00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:32,084
that would be a good fit within the neighbourhood. Again,

748
00:49:32,585 --> 00:49:35,764
all I keep thinking is we have such a high

749
00:49:35,785 --> 00:49:40,724
ratio of the residential's paying and supporting the tax bill.

750
00:49:40,724 --> 00:49:43,684
And we need to still do whatever we can to

751
00:49:43,945 --> 00:49:48,004
drive in employment and wherever that may be. And also

752
00:49:48,265 --> 00:49:52,084
not stop commercial. Because really, I find if we look

753
00:49:52,124 --> 00:49:54,884
at our vacancies, we don't have a lot of vacant

754
00:49:54,884 --> 00:49:56,884
commercial. So I don't know why we would want to

755
00:49:56,884 --> 00:50:00,244
put the brakes on developing commercial because they also help

756
00:50:00,825 --> 00:50:03,604
support the tax base and give a relief to the

757
00:50:03,785 --> 00:50:07,604
residential. So that's just my comment. I would, I would

758
00:50:07,604 --> 00:50:12,224
think that if we could, um, land some, you know,

759
00:50:12,265 --> 00:50:15,364
a whole pile of land somewhere, whether it's be through

760
00:50:15,625 --> 00:50:20,964
annexation to develop a big employment land park, that would

761
00:50:21,385 --> 00:50:24,324
be ideal. And I would support those other lands off

762
00:50:24,364 --> 00:50:27,044
of Hansen or the other areas that you mentioned to

763
00:50:27,065 --> 00:50:31,702
residential. That's just my own, my own personal input. Mr.

764
00:50:31,723 --> 00:50:32,822
War, do you have anything that you want to add

765
00:50:32,862 --> 00:50:37,187
there? Sure. Again, through you Mayor Post, very good comments.

766
00:50:37,187 --> 00:50:39,267
We'll certainly take that back as we move forward. Because

767
00:50:39,267 --> 00:50:40,547
at the end of the day, it's about moving forward

768
00:50:40,587 --> 00:50:44,307
with a policy framework to sort of spell out what

769
00:50:44,728 --> 00:50:47,027
council and the community want to see happen over the

770
00:50:47,067 --> 00:50:50,707
long term and our growth, our future growth. Um, quite

771
00:50:50,808 --> 00:50:54,147
frankly, we found the recommendations very interesting on the commercial

772
00:50:54,488 --> 00:50:58,227
land needs. Um, just anecdotally from our observation, we know

773
00:50:58,227 --> 00:51:01,347
that commercial uses are in high demand. We saw some

774
00:51:01,387 --> 00:51:04,707
of the findings in the report that vacancies low demand

775
00:51:04,747 --> 00:51:07,587
is high. Um, but what's intriguing is a lot of

776
00:51:07,587 --> 00:51:10,547
that demand comes from outside visitors. And in looking at

777
00:51:10,728 --> 00:51:14,227
the demand for our population base where actually have far

778
00:51:14,267 --> 00:51:16,707
more land than what we need. So the balance or

779
00:51:16,707 --> 00:51:22,227
the delta is providing for, um, outside residents. Visitors or

780
00:51:22,248 --> 00:51:24,707
commuters travelling through, et cetera. So I think it's an

781
00:51:24,747 --> 00:51:28,547
interesting junction for us to look at those commercial uses.

782
00:51:28,547 --> 00:51:31,107
The team is saying make better use of them, diversify

783
00:51:31,147 --> 00:51:33,427
the use framework. And I think that's the direction we're

784
00:51:33,427 --> 00:51:36,627
going to be taking from a land use, uh, permission

785
00:51:36,648 --> 00:51:39,427
perspective, but also too, I think it's an opportunity to

786
00:51:39,448 --> 00:51:43,947
look at your commercial areas and decide going forward. Do

787
00:51:43,947 --> 00:51:46,067
we want to continue that position and try to strengthen

788
00:51:46,107 --> 00:51:51,187
the regional attractiveness for commercial activity? Or do we want

789
00:51:51,227 --> 00:51:53,667
to make better use and focus more on the residential

790
00:51:53,928 --> 00:52:01,047
need. Thank you, Mr. Ward. Uh, Councillor Pendergast. Thank you,

791
00:52:01,068 --> 00:52:04,441
Mayor Post through you. I'm just going to get what

792
00:52:04,462 --> 00:52:08,371
I prepared here queued up. I think it's important that

793
00:52:08,392 --> 00:52:12,931
we recognise how consequential this exercise is. So the official

794
00:52:12,952 --> 00:52:16,131
plan can be like a visioning document, but it's really

795
00:52:16,131 --> 00:52:19,171
important, I think, because it is the legal planning framework

796
00:52:19,832 --> 00:52:23,411
that future councils, planners, developers. And ultimately tribunals rely on

797
00:52:23,672 --> 00:52:26,771
when decisions are challenged. So we saw this most recently

798
00:52:26,952 --> 00:52:30,051
with the York Street matter and how important strong local

799
00:52:30,152 --> 00:52:33,411
planning policy can be. Whatever vision that we have for

800
00:52:33,512 --> 00:52:36,171
Orangeville in 2056, this is where it needs to be

801
00:52:36,171 --> 00:52:41,691
clearly articulated. For us to protect it. And at first

802
00:52:41,691 --> 00:52:43,531
when I first joined council, I wasn't sure of how

803
00:52:43,552 --> 00:52:46,011
important an official plan is until we went to the

804
00:52:46,192 --> 00:52:50,331
York Street decision. And because within our official plan, York

805
00:52:50,331 --> 00:52:53,771
Street was mentioned previously two, three times going back 10

806
00:52:53,811 --> 00:52:57,691
years. That's, I think one of the primary elements that

807
00:52:57,712 --> 00:53:00,811
led to our success. So whatever goes into this plan,

808
00:53:00,811 --> 00:53:03,291
we need to make sure it's well written. So I'm

809
00:53:03,291 --> 00:53:05,531
going to lead into my next question. Uh, so my

810
00:53:05,571 --> 00:53:08,811
first question rather, as we develop the new official plan,

811
00:53:08,811 --> 00:53:10,811
how are we ensuring that these policies are not just

812
00:53:10,832 --> 00:53:14,011
simply statements of intent, but are written with enough clarity

813
00:53:14,672 --> 00:53:18,091
and strength to withstand development pressure and scrutiny at the

814
00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:23,560
Ontario Land Tribunal. Maybe that's just like a hypothetical, you

815
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,860
know, like I just, I just want to think about

816
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:29,100
that. Okay. I'll go with the next one. Um, secondly,

817
00:53:29,921 --> 00:53:33,020
be times when priorities do compete, looking forward 10, 20

818
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:39,900
years, intensification, heritage, employment lands, natural heritage, infrastructure capacity, groundwater

819
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:44,060
protection. So when those priorities do come into conflict, uh,

820
00:53:44,321 --> 00:53:47,260
what will the official plan tell the future council or

821
00:53:47,281 --> 00:53:52,120
the OLT? What does Orangeville consider fundamental to protect? And

822
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,180
what are we willing to compromise? So those are maybe

823
00:53:55,441 --> 00:53:59,420
some things worth thinking about. And then lastly, um, of

824
00:53:59,441 --> 00:54:03,500
concern to me is the Orangeville Wetland complex that was

825
00:54:03,601 --> 00:54:08,780
designated for development. It was in the image Highway 10,

826
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:14,153
just south of Island Lake. Okay, sorry. Did you consult

827
00:54:14,254 --> 00:54:21,674
the credit valley conservation authority when developing this plan. Yeah.

828
00:54:21,674 --> 00:54:24,935
Go ahead, Michael. Okay. No, that's a good question. And,

829
00:54:24,935 --> 00:54:28,615
uh, important to clarify. So right now it's designated as

830
00:54:28,796 --> 00:54:32,295
a green field. And we recognise that it shouldn't be

831
00:54:32,335 --> 00:54:35,895
that because it's natural heritage. So we're not the images

832
00:54:35,935 --> 00:54:40,135
that I showed are just analytical. They're not recommended schedules.

833
00:54:40,135 --> 00:54:43,535
That's not what the official plan should look like. To

834
00:54:43,535 --> 00:54:47,015
your point, that's part of the Wetland complex. So just

835
00:54:47,055 --> 00:54:49,415
to be clear about that, yeah, absolutely. So I think

836
00:54:49,415 --> 00:54:52,135
that's an issue that we can rectify through the official

837
00:54:52,556 --> 00:54:56,055
plan review is kind of what you're flagging. Just a

838
00:54:56,055 --> 00:55:00,455
further strengthen that recently a study came out that an

839
00:55:00,455 --> 00:55:03,095
urban area is Wetlands mitigate flood risk by up to

840
00:55:03,116 --> 00:55:06,935
38 percent. Would it be possible solidifying that Wetland as

841
00:55:06,935 --> 00:55:11,015
part of natural essential infrastructure, not letting it be developed

842
00:55:11,055 --> 00:55:15,406
on further. Orange will exist on a flood plane. And

843
00:55:15,406 --> 00:55:19,986
this is part of our resilience, a municipal climate adaptation.

844
00:55:19,986 --> 00:55:22,466
So this is our chance to make sure that area,

845
00:55:22,466 --> 00:55:26,171
which is known for flooding. Doesn't get paved over in

846
00:55:26,171 --> 00:55:30,700
the future. Oh, and one more question. I'm just sorry.

847
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:35,460
Sure. Go ahead. No. Without inclusionary zoning being allowed, we

848
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:37,900
won't actually satisfy the needs of people that live in

849
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:42,582
Orangeville. If we redesignate that employment land residential. The people

850
00:55:42,622 --> 00:55:47,142
that live in Orangeville right now are downsizing seniors and

851
00:55:47,142 --> 00:55:49,622
people that are starting out. Are there any types of

852
00:55:49,803 --> 00:55:53,702
zoning that we could use to maybe just keep it

853
00:55:53,803 --> 00:56:00,075
for senior use. Go ahead, Michael. Oh, sorry. Um, are

854
00:56:00,115 --> 00:56:03,755
there any types of zoning categories that are just explicitly

855
00:56:03,856 --> 00:56:08,786
for seniors. That's my question. Yeah. It's a, it's a

856
00:56:08,786 --> 00:56:13,346
good question. Um, so in terms of like in terms

857
00:56:13,346 --> 00:56:18,306
of creating spaces for seniors, um, folks who are downsizing,

858
00:56:18,306 --> 00:56:20,226
um, one of the, one of the things that we

859
00:56:20,266 --> 00:56:24,706
would recommend is, again, really leaning into the apartment and

860
00:56:24,746 --> 00:56:28,786
multifamily typology, definitely through the land use, we want to

861
00:56:28,826 --> 00:56:32,306
allow for things like retirement residences for folks that want

862
00:56:32,346 --> 00:56:35,266
that, but there's also a lot of seniors and folks

863
00:56:35,306 --> 00:56:37,646
who are downsizing who aren't quite ready for that. And

864
00:56:37,646 --> 00:56:39,826
then long - term care home might be another kind

865
00:56:39,826 --> 00:56:42,146
of typology, which was kind of at the furthest end

866
00:56:42,146 --> 00:56:46,066
of that scale. Um, we wouldn't typically kind of zone

867
00:56:46,327 --> 00:56:49,706
an area just for kind of one particular use. We

868
00:56:49,706 --> 00:56:51,986
want to allow a little bit of flexibility, but I

869
00:56:51,986 --> 00:56:54,866
think to your point about, you know, creating space for,

870
00:56:54,906 --> 00:56:57,346
for seniors and people in our community who really need

871
00:56:57,386 --> 00:57:00,306
it, I think we can take, you know, a look

872
00:57:00,306 --> 00:57:03,746
at how we do that in a way that, yeah.

873
00:57:03,847 --> 00:57:07,586
Can I just reply? This term of council, we saw

874
00:57:07,687 --> 00:57:10,066
land that was supposed to be mixed use right by

875
00:57:10,087 --> 00:57:13,106
Kurtz Mill. And it was supposed to have, I'm sorry,

876
00:57:13,106 --> 00:57:16,346
supposed to. It was going to have seniors housing. It

877
00:57:16,346 --> 00:57:19,135
was going to be mixed use. That's what we were

878
00:57:19,236 --> 00:57:22,635
told. Then it ended up not being mixed use. And

879
00:57:22,676 --> 00:57:26,855
now is just going to be dense, intensified townhouses. So

880
00:57:26,855 --> 00:57:28,975
I guess what I'm asking is how do we protect

881
00:57:29,156 --> 00:57:33,295
this land and make sure it actually is mixed use?

882
00:57:33,295 --> 00:57:35,455
Because I don't think that's good enough because we've seen

883
00:57:35,476 --> 00:57:40,037
this already happen. So it's just a comment statement. Thank

884
00:57:40,037 --> 00:57:45,889
you. Anybody want to comment on anything there? Mr. Ward,

885
00:57:45,889 --> 00:57:48,049
are you looking at me with eye contact there? Yes.

886
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:50,849
Go ahead. No, I don't have anything further. Uh, we

887
00:57:50,889 --> 00:57:54,209
can take that back. The comment earlier about clear defensible

888
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:57,849
policies is well taken. It's a fine balance. I think

889
00:57:57,849 --> 00:58:00,689
we've got to move forward with. And I think the

890
00:58:00,870 --> 00:58:04,289
province is showing us what their standardized approach that maybe

891
00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:07,809
municipalities are getting too fine grain with the policy detail.

892
00:58:07,809 --> 00:58:10,449
And we need to give a little more flexibility with

893
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:15,253
land use. Policy writing, so to speak. An example of,

894
00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:20,133
um, how policies can be maybe too prescriptive versus two

895
00:58:20,133 --> 00:58:22,853
general is intensification. On one hand, you could have general

896
00:58:23,594 --> 00:58:26,673
directive policies saying where and how it should happen. And

897
00:58:26,673 --> 00:58:29,153
then the other approach is a more prescriptive. Here are

898
00:58:29,153 --> 00:58:31,893
the areas where it does intensification. That can happen here,

899
00:58:31,933 --> 00:58:34,433
here they cannot or maybe not to that extent. But

900
00:58:34,794 --> 00:58:37,733
here the areas we're intensification should happen. I think that

901
00:58:37,834 --> 00:58:41,093
can be misleading because it gives an impression that these

902
00:58:41,133 --> 00:58:44,213
are the only areas we're intensification makes sense, but there

903
00:58:44,213 --> 00:58:46,213
may be other areas where, you know, it meets the

904
00:58:46,253 --> 00:58:50,293
objectives, but they're just not shown as such on a

905
00:58:50,333 --> 00:58:53,573
map. So that's an example where policies get maybe two

906
00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:57,653
fine - grained versus the more generalistic approach. So long

907
00:58:57,754 --> 00:58:59,653
story short is we've got to take this all back

908
00:58:59,674 --> 00:59:03,013
and give you something ultimately. And the community something that

909
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,573
they're going to feel is reliable and defensible and very

910
00:59:05,613 --> 00:59:10,381
clear. Thank you, Mr. Ward. Can I just say. Um,

911
00:59:10,381 --> 00:59:13,981
so growth is inevitable. Uh, and the purpose of the

912
00:59:14,021 --> 00:59:16,681
plan is just simply not to accommodate the growth, but

913
00:59:16,802 --> 00:59:19,021
to decide on what kind of community we want in

914
00:59:19,021 --> 00:59:21,181
the future. And thank you for all the hard work

915
00:59:21,362 --> 00:59:23,021
you've done so far on this. And I look forward

916
00:59:23,122 --> 00:59:26,580
to seeing what comes out of it. Thank you. Deputy

917
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:32,070
Mayor Taylor. Oh, I thought you forgot me. Um, thank

918
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:34,630
you, your worship. Um, I'd like to make a couple

919
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:37,830
of comments and then I do have a few questions.

920
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:42,630
So, um, to me, this just drives home, um, the

921
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:46,790
entire presentation drives home the need to expand our borders.

922
00:59:46,891 --> 00:59:49,590
Long term, that's the only thing that's going to sustain

923
00:59:49,611 --> 00:59:53,430
us and ensure that we're a vibrant community going forward.

924
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:56,790
And I'm absolutely convinced of that. Um, the second piece

925
00:59:56,891 --> 01:00:01,110
would be the land in the north, uh, which is

926
01:00:01,131 --> 01:00:05,951
essentially the veterans where it's employment lands. I do agree

927
01:00:05,972 --> 01:00:08,751
that it's sad to give up those lands in terms

928
01:00:08,751 --> 01:00:12,811
of employment. But the reality is they don't connect. Um,

929
01:00:13,092 --> 01:00:15,710
they're off on their own. So I don't see the

930
01:00:15,731 --> 01:00:17,550
purpose in it. I don't know why we would have

931
01:00:17,571 --> 01:00:19,470
that up there. I think it would be best of

932
01:00:19,491 --> 01:00:23,956
it moved to residential. The 2020 hindsight pieces is we

933
01:00:24,057 --> 01:00:28,036
missed an opportunity years ago. And that was when Alderina

934
01:00:28,076 --> 01:00:31,476
was built, we should not have allowed the arena to

935
01:00:31,516 --> 01:00:34,256
be built where it was. That was employment lands. And

936
01:00:34,256 --> 01:00:36,996
if we had to made that decision, uh, as a

937
01:00:36,996 --> 01:00:40,982
town, we would have not this problem. So those are

938
01:00:41,003 --> 01:00:46,102
my comments. My questions would be, um, to you, Mr.

939
01:00:46,123 --> 01:00:50,182
Ward, there is a push to have new buildings built

940
01:00:50,923 --> 01:00:55,302
in our town. Um, you know, six, eight story buildings.

941
01:00:55,302 --> 01:00:59,142
And there is conversation about having commercial underneath these buildings.

942
01:00:59,142 --> 01:01:02,022
And I have been concerned as we go along in

943
01:01:02,022 --> 01:01:06,102
conversations that I've had with entrepreneurs have said, we're, we're

944
01:01:06,123 --> 01:01:11,622
over slotted on our commercial pieces. And that may be

945
01:01:11,662 --> 01:01:14,902
forcing these buildings to have commercial under the buildings isn't

946
01:01:15,003 --> 01:01:18,582
the wisest thing. So I'd love to understand your commentary

947
01:01:18,622 --> 01:01:22,242
on that. And then the second piece is, you know,

948
01:01:22,283 --> 01:01:26,769
it's interesting that disconnects happen. Um, but to see those

949
01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:31,969
strange occurrences of the county plan versus the town plan.

950
01:01:31,969 --> 01:01:34,769
I was wondering, how does that happen? B, what do

951
01:01:34,769 --> 01:01:36,849
we do moving forward to make sure that it's looked

952
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:39,009
after? And I, I just love to hear your thoughts

953
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:44,079
on those two items. Okay. Mr. Ward. Sure. Thank you

954
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:46,799
Mayor Posten through you. So I think two questions. First

955
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:51,279
one was around, um, mandating ground level commercial. Um, I

956
01:01:51,279 --> 01:01:53,679
think one of the findings of this exercise is showing

957
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,839
that we've, you know, we don't need more commercial land.

958
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:01,199
And also our Broadway study or Broadway corridor study sort

959
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,179
of came to the same conclusions and that, you know,

960
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:07,119
tread cautiously with mandating ground level commercials. So that's something

961
01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:10,159
we're going to look to as parted writing policies. It's

962
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:12,799
not necessarily mandating it at grade, but maybe focusing it

963
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:16,959
in key, uh, intersection nodes, et cetera. But letting sort

964
01:02:16,999 --> 01:02:21,199
of the market dictate elsewhere along those corridors, uh, whether

965
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:25,279
it's at grade residential or back grade commercial with residential

966
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:30,559
above. The next question, um, if I could just clarify

967
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:34,239
what the second part of your question was, Deputy Mark?

968
01:02:34,279 --> 01:02:36,719
It's the county. Yeah. Thank you very much, Mr. Ward.

969
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,839
It's the county plan versus the town plan and the

970
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:45,599
conflicting, um, thoughts, I guess conflicting plans. And I guess

971
01:02:46,260 --> 01:02:49,759
a, the history of how that would have occurred and

972
01:02:49,759 --> 01:02:51,999
then B, what do we do to rectify that moving

973
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:55,439
forward? And I guess C would be who, who would

974
01:02:55,439 --> 01:02:57,999
have jurisdiction? Would it be the town that we would

975
01:02:57,999 --> 01:03:01,679
accept the plan or would the county plan be the

976
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:05,906
plan. Ms. Ward. Okay. Thank you for clarifying Deputy Mayor.

977
01:03:05,906 --> 01:03:08,066
So there's one area I think you're referring to. It's

978
01:03:08,066 --> 01:03:12,706
in the veterans way area. There's employment area designated in

979
01:03:12,746 --> 01:03:14,786
our official plan, but not the county. And the reason

980
01:03:14,786 --> 01:03:18,146
for that is it is of employment area in our

981
01:03:18,327 --> 01:03:21,906
planning document. But the policy framework is so broad and

982
01:03:21,906 --> 01:03:24,226
mixed use. There's a lot of non - employment uses

983
01:03:24,226 --> 01:03:26,546
permitted in there. So it sort of undermines that employment

984
01:03:26,727 --> 01:03:31,506
area designation. And the county is, is much tighter. It's

985
01:03:31,506 --> 01:03:35,266
more prescriptive to employment. And they recognise that, uh, range

986
01:03:35,306 --> 01:03:38,346
of uses permitted on a site - specific basis. So

987
01:03:38,346 --> 01:03:41,746
they haven't designated that as such a near official plan.

988
01:03:41,746 --> 01:03:44,066
And that's something we'll look to address in our update

989
01:03:44,487 --> 01:03:46,626
is really clean up the policy framework in that area

990
01:03:46,887 --> 01:03:49,826
to be reflective of sort of a mixed use neighbourhood

991
01:03:49,927 --> 01:03:53,826
setting, not the employment area designation. That's sort of an

992
01:03:53,866 --> 01:04:01,020
older policy regime. Deputy Mayor, good. Very good. Thank you.

993
01:04:01,361 --> 01:04:05,188
Perfect. Councillor Andrews. Thank you, Russian. But I just wanted

994
01:04:05,228 --> 01:04:09,428
to piggyback on what deputy mayor tailor had posed in

995
01:04:09,428 --> 01:04:14,148
his first question. And this is regarding ground level commercial.

996
01:04:14,148 --> 01:04:16,388
And through the economic development office, and this is more

997
01:04:16,388 --> 01:04:18,868
of a commentary. One of the challenges that I know

998
01:04:18,908 --> 01:04:21,988
that our economic development office is faced at times is

999
01:04:21,988 --> 01:04:25,588
the type of commercial space that's available versus that it's

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01:04:25,588 --> 01:04:29,108
available. And so when you have specific inquiries that are

1001
01:04:29,108 --> 01:04:33,968
coming into our community, it may be a doctor's, you

1002
01:04:33,968 --> 01:04:37,028
know, medical practice. It could be again, a specific form

1003
01:04:37,068 --> 01:04:39,748
of retail. And one of the, I wouldn't use the

1004
01:04:39,748 --> 01:04:42,548
term criticisms. One of the, I guess, comets it comes

1005
01:04:42,548 --> 01:04:46,308
from perspective entrepreneurs or those that are wanting to invest

1006
01:04:46,729 --> 01:04:49,188
their business of choice here in our community after doing

1007
01:04:49,289 --> 01:04:51,588
their research. This is a great community to invest in

1008
01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:56,868
is that we don't necessarily have the appropriate sized location

1009
01:04:57,289 --> 01:05:00,788
in the right location. So that is something I think

1010
01:05:00,788 --> 01:05:04,228
that we probably should have as a takeaway as opposed

1011
01:05:04,268 --> 01:05:06,788
to just saying that we have, in general terms, we

1012
01:05:06,889 --> 01:05:09,748
have a lot of commercial space available. So I think

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01:05:09,769 --> 01:05:12,628
that there are some opportunities that we can look at.

1014
01:05:12,628 --> 01:05:14,948
And it may be dependent on where that space or

1015
01:05:14,988 --> 01:05:17,348
that land is or whatever may be from an investment

1016
01:05:17,449 --> 01:05:21,540
perspective takes place. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:23,540
Was there any other questions or comments for members of

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01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:28,311
council. Nope. Seeing none. Okay. So I want to thank

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01:05:28,311 --> 01:05:29,591
you for being here. I want to thank you for

1020
01:05:29,591 --> 01:05:31,831
all your time. It's been amazing to sit as part

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01:05:31,831 --> 01:05:33,911
of the official plan steering committee. I've learned a ton

1022
01:05:34,892 --> 01:05:37,671
and your firm has done some incredible work and really

1023
01:05:37,711 --> 01:05:40,471
just seeing this important document start to come together is

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01:05:40,652 --> 01:05:42,871
a really meaningful piece. So I'm looking forward to the

1025
01:05:42,871 --> 01:05:45,031
next steps as well. So thank you very much for

1026
01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:47,991
being here. So with that, um, council, could I get

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01:05:47,991 --> 01:05:50,871
a motion please that the official plan review information report

1028
01:05:51,292 --> 01:05:54,551
and associated comments be received for information. Please Councillor Pendergast

1029
01:05:54,551 --> 01:05:58,791
and Councillor Sherwood all in favor. And that is carried.

1030
01:05:58,791 --> 01:06:01,991
And a recommendation that the confirming by Law listed below

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01:06:02,012 --> 01:06:05,431
be read three times and finally passed Councillor Stevens and

1032
01:06:05,532 --> 01:06:08,631
Councillor Prendergast all in favor. And that is carried and

1033
01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:12,471
a motion to adjourn. Councillor McIntosh and Councillor Stevens all

1034
01:06:12,471 --> 01:06:14,631
in favor. And that is carried. Thank you for joining

1035
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us this evening, everyone.