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Let's go see here. So I'm back on. Okay, we're ready whenever you are mayor. Okay, so I'll call the meeting to order or call the roll, please. Commissioner Frank O'Donnell. Here. Commissioner Rocky Smith.

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Commissioner Denise McGriff. President. Commissioner Rachel Laosna. Here. Mayor Dan Holiday.

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Oh, Mayor, did we lose you again? I think you did. Yes,

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we did hear you that time.

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All right. Something about having this window open. Anyway, I can't see my agenda. Same time. What's the next? So we're going to move to the citizen comment and we do have some citizens wanting to speak.

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So the first up would be the doca board member or chair Zach Stokes.

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name is Zach Stokes, I live in Oregon City, myself and Kelly Upcase, a fellow member of the boarder here tonight, commenting on behalf of the Downtown Oregon City Association Board of Directors.

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This is in follow up to our letter to the Commission regarding diversity, equity and inclusion.

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As an organization, we're in unanimous support of the city's resolution declaring the city's stance against racism, discrimination and social injustices.

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We are concerned for the long-lasting effects the city's perception regionally will have on all our citizens and our community holistically.

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Practically speaking, we have found that the current perception of our community in the region is negatively affecting our ability to fill vacant spaces in downtown.

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We appreciate the city's efforts and will continue to strive to make downtown Oregon city welcoming to all races, genders, age groups, sexual orientations and ability levels.

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I appreciate the ability to comment tonight, and for all of the city's efforts over the last several months.

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Thank you, sir.

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So we have Victoria Ming from the Chamber of Commerce.

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Thank you.

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And Victoria has passed out a letter, and I'll email that to you after the meeting.

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Good evening, commission.

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My name is Victoria Mineg.

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I am a resident of Oregon City, and I am the CEO of the Oregon City Chamber of Commerce.

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We appreciate this chance to respond to voice and official position on the current events pertaining to our city and the mayor.

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The mission of the Chamber of Commerce is to work together to build a vibrant economy and to enhance the quality of life for the Oregon City community.

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As we stated in our June 2nd newsletter, we the Oregon City Chamber of Commerce stand against racism, inequality, and discrimination of any kind.

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And we believe violence is never the solution, but that we should pay attention.

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We believe we must confront the uncomfortable truth of systematic inequality and as leaders

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we can work toward an equitable future.

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After all, we're in this together.

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The Oregon City Chamber of Commerce Board and the Government and Economic Affairs Committee

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has voted on a resolution regarding the actions of the mayor.

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Whereas on June 17th, the Oregon City Commission formally censured mayor Dan Holliday regarding

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several of his recent actions, including but not limited to one, preventing the commissioners

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from speaking at a public meeting regarding matters of critical local and national importance.

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Two, his public remarks to machine the struggles and experiences of people of color within the

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community.

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Whereas the commission also directed city staff to arrange for an independent investigation

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of other recent activities and behaviors of the mayor,

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whereas the mayor's recent actions have damaged the governmental

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and economic reputation of Oregon City

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to the detriment of our business community and economic development.

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And whereas the chamber has resolved to take a public position

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on the actions of the mayor.

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Now therefore, it is here by result that the Oregon City Chamber

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of Commerce expressed a serious concern that the mayor's

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recent comments and activities have put in jeopardy the Chamber's mission that supports

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are working together to build a vibrant economy.

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And enhance the quality of life for the Oregon City community. Specifically, the Mayor's actions endanger the ability of the Oregon City Chamber to help build a strong economy in Oregon City to promote Oregon City as a destination and a place to do business. The Chamber fully supports the City Commission's censure of Mayor Dan Holliday. The Chamber further supports the Commission's independent investigation into the Mayor's activities. The Chamber recommends the Commission consider an amendment to the charter to allow for a fine.

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suspension or possible expulsion. This resolution was approved and adopted by

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the vote of the Oregon City Chamber of Commerce Board and the government and

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economic affairs committee the 22nd day of June 2020. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

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you. Thank you, ma'am. Is there anybody else, Kate? Yeah, we've got Derek

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Metson and after Derek we've got Bob LaSalle and we have just a couple more.

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My name is Eric Mezzan.

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For those of you I haven't met.

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I've served on several boards and committees at the city and county level.

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I've been solicited for my opinion professionally.

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I give it to you on solicited today.

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I was surprised

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to discover the emergency council meeting that was held to discuss

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or hall-based comments, reading through that and then watching the meeting online.

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I have to say I did not find anything largely objectionable about his comments.

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I believe that the conversation needs to be had, that the State of Oregon is not evaluating the writing and protests with the same level scrutiny as it comes to personal protection and distancing as they are other people and citizens today

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deserves a discussion.

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I also don't think it's wrong to ask people to fact check themselves if anything he was calling

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that gentleman out is having his facts unaccurately low, but certainly we should question the facts

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when they come to us and I do not believe Mayor Hall they was elected to just believe everything he hears but he was

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elected to ask questions and make difficult decisions at different times such as these. I believe he stands

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with the people. I do not believe he's inherently racist. I look at the makeup of the city's staff,

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leadership, and the elected body, and I don't see that we live in inherently bigoted community.

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The objections to the mayor's comments can only be considered a suppression of speech,

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and there's too much of that going on right now. This is a time for a dialogue where we need to be talking

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to each other about the issues. And I've heard Murray rings from a number of people who are not bigoted,

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who are not racist, who don't rent, but have real concerns about losing their jobs or being

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shamed by people they know and consider friends because they want to have a dialogue about the

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pains and issues in our community. Now, certainly, we've all seen racism. It is bad. No one stands

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behind. I don't think anyone in this room does. We've heard a number of comments about that,

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but we need to talk about the issue. Everybody.

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So could we have Bob?

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Sal, please.

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I'm sorry. What was that? No jokes.

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No jokes. No jokes. No jokes.

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help Bob. You need to pull your mic down so it's closer to your

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mouth. It'll make it easier. Pull this down.

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Pull this? Yeah. Just pull it down. There you go.

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Okay. Okay. How's that? Thank you.

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is Bob LaSalle, and I live in Oregon City, in 2014 I ran

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against the Mayor

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City Commissioner.

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The people must have known something, then even though you outspoken.

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At that time, you received endorsements from Mick former mayor's, public personalities,

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unions, and many others.

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Politics as a blood sport. Now, some of those same people who endorsed you before are calling

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for your resignation. On April 5, 2017, a mere two years into your first term, they had

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an article printed in the Oregon City News that stated facts of the enormous mistakes

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you were making as the mayor of Oregon City at that time and asked for your resignation

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them. So those things were walking out of meetings, fits of rage, insulting city,

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rude to citizens and public officials in public, and other countless issues with

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the boy scouts.

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This city has stated the

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rest of the commission and anything you're trying to accomplish between

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now and the end of your term will be eyed with suspicion and not likely to be accepted.

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refer to your service in the United States Army as a commissioned officer and leader

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for 24 years in that American institution.

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I'm saddened every time you make that association.

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I live in the city for the time and money and...

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And the last one under citizen comment is Adam Morrell.

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Members of the City Commission for the record, my name is Adam Morrell and I'm a resident

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of Oregon City.

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It's been a few weeks since I've seen you all.

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In the time that's elapsed between June 17th and today,

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a few notable events have happened concerning the recall of Dan Holiday.

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First, the committee to recall Dan Holiday officially formed

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composed of a grassroots team of experienced campaigners.

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Second, the committee filed a formal petition to recall the mayor.

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And third, signature gathering has begun and is ahead of schedule.

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I was asked to be the campaign manager for this effort

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and agreed, knowing full well that this would take the place

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of a paid summer job. For a broke college student, that was a big decision. And that's how much

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I care about bringing ethical leadership back to the mayor's office. And I'm not alone.

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We already have nearly 100 activated campaign volunteers from all walks of life.

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I've personally spoken with many of them and it's clear we have a dedicated,

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informed and powerful volunteer force behind us. And while we are still ramping up our signature

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gathering efforts only one week in we have collected approximately 400 signatures well over our weekly

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goal and double what we needed during our first week. While the COVID-19 pandemic is not an ideal

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time to lead a campaign such as this the momentum and the community is on our side but more importantly

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history will be on our side. A week from today on July 8th we will be holding our official kickoff

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rally at 6.30 p.m. in the Willamette Falls media center parking lot with former mayor's

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nearly Norris and Williams slated to speak. You are all invited to attend. The rally

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will be socially distanced, and we are offering drive-through signing stations so people don't

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even have to leave the comfort of their own car to sign. Recalls are divisive, and I do

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not take the gravity of this moment lightly. Indeed, it would be easier to wait until the end

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of the mayor's term to restore ethics and accountability to the mayor's seat.

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But democracy is never easy, and it will always fail if the people are unwilling to stand

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up and speak out for good government.

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About a month ago, Mayor Holiday resided the famous quote from Benjamin Franklin describing

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the government that the framers had dissettled upon, a republic, if you can keep it.

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The actions that the recall campaign are taking is the very manifestation of this timely sentiment.

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It is not too late for him to resign and avoid further damaging this city, but I realize

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that course of action is unlikely.

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City commissioners, please do the right thing and move to take a vote of no confidence

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in this man.

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Mayor Holiday, please do the right thing and resign.

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I invite the public to join the Recall Campaign at RecallDNHoliday.com and on Facebook under

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the handle at OC RecallDNHoliday.

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We are in.

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Committee, nonpartisan grassroots campaign, with supporters and donors from across the political spectrum. Commissioners, I plan to be back at your next regular meeting to keep you updated on our progress. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. So that's all the citizen comments. We have adoption of the agenda next.

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Mr. Mayor, we'd like to go ahead. Mr. Don, please, I'll defer to Commissioner Lau Smith, I believe.

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Thank you. We'd like to request that we add an agenda item. We'd like to provide an update on the investigation of the mayor.

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We'd like to read the censure letter and any other related discussion for this topic.

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We're going to start that now.

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I guess I will start with an update on the investigation that the City Commission requested at our last meeting.

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We have determined and selected an investigator to begin that work.

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It will likely begin next week, and so we mainly just wanted to give an update

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to let folks know that, yes, that was moving forward.

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And it will start as soon as we can get that process underway.

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I would like to read that letter at this time, it will go into the public record.

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And then I'm not sure if there was consensus on all the things that was going to happen with the letter after that.

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We responded to you, Mr. Concold, do you know?

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Yes, there was a request to post it on the website.

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Distributed via social media, distributed via press release.

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Thank you, Mr. Gonkel.

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And part of the reason I wanted to address that as well because I have had a few folks ask me what was going to happen with the letter.

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And the City Commission did not provide direction at our last meeting when we did talk about the letter.

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it was a big night. I think we were ready to end that meeting and end the conversation and we needed to provide an update. So that is what will happen with this letter.

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And I have the letter in front of me that all of the commissioners, we need a couple more signatures. They weren't here for COVID.

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So therefore we will still get signatures. But I know all of the commissioners have agreed to this letter.

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The letters dated July 1, 2020, Mayor Holiday.

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The City Commission is the governing body of the City of Oregon City, and the proper functioning

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of this body is critical for the City to achieve its goals and make the City a better place

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to live for all.

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The City Commissioners, including the Mayor of Oregon City, are civic leaders who must remain

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above reproach and avoid injuring the good name of the City, disturbing its well-being and

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hampering its work.

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Mayor Holiday, it is apparent to this commission that you have taken the following actions that are contrary to the interest of the proper functioning of the City Commission and bring the name of the City and to public reproach.

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At the June 3, 2020 City Commission meeting, you violated the city's rules of procedure by directing the audio visual technician to immediately stop the meeting audio and video feed when you adjourn the commission meeting.

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A parent planned effort on your part to exclude additional comments to be made by commissioners

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on the murder of George Floyd, a matter of local, state, and national importance, and by

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refusing to recognize commissioners entitled to the floor consistent with the adopted commission

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agenda.

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You have made comments on social media and other outlets, and you took actions, including

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meeting with mayors throughout the region, promoting the reopening of Oregon City and defiance

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of the emergency orders of the state of Oregon in response to the global COVID-19 pandemic.

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Your actions resulted in a letter from the Oregon Attorney General reminding you of the

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need for the state's response to protect its citizens and the authority to do so. Your actions

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led to concern and confusion in the community for which the city commission held an emergency

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meeting to clarify that citizens and businesses should not violate the governor's executive orders.

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Your actions would have potentially endangered the lives of our citizens and potentially exposed

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businesses that followed your recommendations to criminal and civil penalties.

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You have made comments on social media regarding the death of black citizens and police encounters

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and about the subject of racial injustice, downplaying the significance of the events and the concerns

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about racial injustice.

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You were the only mayor in the region who refused to sign the June 4 2020 letter from the Metropolitan

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call it in Mayors Consortium regarding the death.

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George Floyd. The letter from the consortium signed by the region's 25 other mayors included an acknowledgement that no community is immune to systemic and historic patterns of racial injustice. The letter committed the cities to listening and advancing meaningful reforms and that supported the right of citizens to peacefully protest. These actions have cast a shadow on the good name of the city of Oregon City. You have solicited money from local businesses for a firework show in Oregon City that would be

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contrary to the state emergency orders related to COVID-19 with complete disregard to the

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commission's actions at the previous emergency meeting, where you're agreed to uphold the

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governor's stay-home-stave lives executive order.

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Additionally, you may have violated Oregon ethics laws and criminal statutes related to

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official misconduct with your decision to unilaterally collect private funds for a firework

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show without the knowledge or consent of the commission, knowing that a firework show would

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have potentially risked the health and safety of our community.

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In response to the concerns that the commission have about your actions, the city manager has

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been authorized by this commission to hire an outside firm to conduct an investigation

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into the allegations regarding your actions related to a promoting the reopening of Oregon

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city and defiance of the emergency orders of the state of Oregon and be raising funds

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to stage a fireworks event and defiance of the emergency orders of the State of Oregon

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without the consent or participation of the rest of the commission.

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The results of this investigation shall be brought back to the City Commission and

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upon requests be made available to outside agencies for potential further action.

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Based on your actions as outlined above and as discussed and voted on by the Oregon City

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Commission on June 17, 2020, you are hereby censured by the City Commission of Oregon City

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taken actions that injured the good name of the City of Oregon City,

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disturbed its well-being, and hampered its work.

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Signed by Rachel Laosmith, commission president,

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Frago Donnell, commissioner Denise C. McGruth,

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commissioner and Rocky Smith, junior commissioner.

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Thank you.

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Let us all my comments.

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I think Commissioner Donnell, did you have anything further?

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I believe in view of the number of letters we're getting

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from people like the Chamber of Commerce

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the Downtown Oregon City Association, the fact that three of four mayors, and I want to complement

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Mayor Alice Norris, Mayor Doug Crowt, former Mayor Doug Neilly, former Mayor John Williams,

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members of the school board who have individually written to us, prominent citizens.

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And I'm very complimentary to Mr. Larry Didway who spoke as a citizen, not as an official position.

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I thought it was a very sincere letter, and many students have set forth, I saw Mr. Adam

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Marl just sit before us and ask this commission to consider a vote of no confidence.

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And there is, I mean, one must certainly consider and view of all the disruption we've got.

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Can the mayor continue to effectively lead the city?

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So I would open that for discussion among my fellow commissioners and we can decide if we

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want to pursue a vote of no confidence or not. Thank you.

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Commissioner Smith, you have your hand raised?

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Yes. I want to add to Commissioner McDonald's comments. You know, we have received many, many letters,

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many comments from citizens and I do appreciate them all. I do appreciate Derek's comments tonight,

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However, listening to that letter shows this is not just about a couple comments. This is not just about a couple posts. There is a track record here and a lot of actions taken by the mayor that have not been really addressed by the mayor in any responsible way.

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That worries me and it worries me because there's been no acknowledgement that he really

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has made any mistakes or has harmed the city from his own viewpoint and the

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way that

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this is

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it's one thing to

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or time but then see

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community to hear from the chamber and

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Doca, both that say this is now affecting businesses in this town, to get a letter from the OCE.

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And all the other people that Commissioner Donald spoke out about and mentioned, but also our state representative, Mark Meak, also saying the same thing. Our mayor is representing us of the city on many, many regional committees. All of them.

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on a lot of regional aspects, and the truth is, can we really feel

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confident in him representing

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this city when he has not shown any effort to do so? In fact, even violating his own votes

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by supporting the letter, our response to the letter, the attorney general, and enforcing

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and keeping with the state guidelines, the mayor voted for that, but then continued

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to take action away from that, you know, it's at a point now where we have lost confidence

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and at least I have as a commissioner and I know others feel the same way.

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And if the mayor would apologize, if the mayor would acknowledge that he has harmed the city, if the mayor would resign, all of that would go away.

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But right now, we only have going forward in the next two years unless there's actually a recall that happens to try to make progress in this city with a mayor that we don't trust.

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And I find that to be a very difficult situation to be in.

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We don't.

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I have a parliamentary question.

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Is this the proper place if we, for the reasons stated beforehand by both myself, members of the community, people with solicits and submitted letters.

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Mr. Rocky Smith's statements is this the proper place to make a motion of no confidence in

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the mayor?

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Have a boat of no confidence in this correct place?

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Well, you certainly can do that.

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I thought we were talking about having an investigator instead of convicting me before

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you've got all the facts, but you certainly have the ability to do whatever you wish.

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We're not trying to convict you, that investigation will be ongoing on the basis of what Commissioner

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Smith and I have said and letters in the community.

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The question is does the community, do we have the confidence that you can continue

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in your duties as the mayor?

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So I would call for a vote of no confidence.

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The

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second is that a motion.

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It is a motion.

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It would need a second.

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It would be considered a main motion.

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I'll second it for discussion.

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It's been moved by Frank O'Donnell, Commissioner O'Donnell, second in by Commissioner McGriff.

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Any discussion?

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It might be helpful to clarify what a vote and favor and a vote against would be.

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The motion is for a vote of no confidence.

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So a vote in favor would mean that the commission has lost confidence in the mayor.

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A vote against would be that the commission retains confidence in the mayor moving forward.

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Understood.

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Yeah, I think the only comment I do want to make is to address the public comment from

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Mr. Metson.

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I thought that he made a really smart and comment and I appreciated your comment.

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I agree with you.

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We haven't had the conversations about racial injustices in our community.

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we haven't had conversations about how the executive order is being implemented throughout

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the state of Oregon.

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I agree with you that those are conversations that should be had, but the role of this

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body is to discuss policy, and if at any time the mayor wanted to bring any of those policies

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to this commission, I would have happily had those conversations, and we could have had those

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conversations as a body and made some policy decisions where they're not we

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wanted to send a letter to the governor saying we were unhappy with the

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inequitable application of the COVID-19

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I just want you to know that I appreciate your comment, and I agree with you, and I think there are a lot of really important conversations that need to happen in our community and amongst our staff about what's going on. And we can make steps forward. And so I just wanted to lead with that. And to clarify what's happening on this commission. I think if you listen to this,

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essential letter and stuff like that, these actions are not about those conversations

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not happening.

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These actions are about the actions of the mayor and the actions that the mayor has

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taken as an individual and representing himself independently as representing the city commission.

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So those are my personal opinions.

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Thank you for your public comment.

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I think you mentioned good things and we should be having a different dialogue, hopefully

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on another day, and I would have welcomed those conversations any time in the last couple

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of months, but they did not happen.

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May I add something to your comment, please?

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Sure.

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Mr. Mayor May I add something to Rachel's Milo's Commissioner Slyles Smith comment.

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Commissioner McGrath.

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Yes, I wanted to also thank you, Derek, and the face of maybe seeming like your comments

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were in opposition to people they are not in opposition.

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I will tell you that members of this community have already reached out to me personally.

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We have started individually and in some small groups having those conversations that you're asking about, not particularly about the COVID-19, but about the issue of people of color and what's going on with those folks in this community, if there's any issues that have come up so those things have already happened and I will say that members of the community that have reached out to me personally, I appreciate it and I'm willing to have a conversation with just about anybody with regard to those topics.

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It's not an easy conversation to have, but I think people are understanding what is going on.

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Some of the people that have reached out to me know me quite well.

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Two people who have reached out to me don't know me very well at all, but we are neighbors.

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And called me personally to ask me if I would sit down with them, which I have done.

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We plan on having other conversations.

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I have had conversations with members of the, uh, individually with members of the Chamber, members of the, of DOKA, which I represent the city on that board.

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So those conversations are happening maybe not in a way that would be a large group, but they are happening on a smaller group.

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So I do want you know that they are happening.

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I don't feel like I'm being singled out, but I think people truly want to, they're not interested in understanding what my experience is.

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because they're interested in understanding how we can do better in our community, whether

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something has happened to someone or not.

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So feel free, as we know each other, if you would like to have a conversation, I'm more

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than happy to do that.

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I agree with Commissioner Lyle Smith that we can have a conversation.

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We hope at some time where we can get a few more people in the room that we should have those

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conversations.

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So I think it's important.

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We all live here.

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We all care about this place.

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If there are some issues, as some of the students pointed out, one of the students testified,

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it brought me to tears because I have not experienced that in my schooling when I was growing up.

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But if people are experiencing that now, I'm concerned about that.

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So I just want to thank you for that.

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Take a vote of no confidence, I would recommend that that be added to the press release

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and to all the other documents that would be sent out with the sential letter.

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And there's no problem with that.

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specific

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motion or is that included in the motion?

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No.

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It's included in the motion if the

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says it's okay.

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I'm okay with it.

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I agree with you.

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Commissioner Rachel Lasneth.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Frank O'Donnell.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Rocky Smith.

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Commissioner Denise McGriff.

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Aye.

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Mayor Dan Holliday.

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No.

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Is

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it a motion about the mayor and whether it had no confidence?

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And technically, he probably should not have been allowed to vote on it.

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Yeah, Robert's rules of order says that they cannot vote.

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I think it would be approved for to nothing. Okay.

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My vote and abstain.

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Do we need to have a second roll call or vote or were good? No, I believe the votes were good. All right. Move it on. What's next, Mr. Riggs? We have a general business item 7a. It is the first reading of ordinance number 20-1008, amending chapter 2.30 of the ordinance.

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The Oregon City Municipal Code, it's the Citizen Involvement Committee, and we'll turn it to Laura Terwey.

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Thank you very much.

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Chapter 2.30 of the Oregon City Municipal Code codifies our Citizen Involvement Committee.

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The CIC members have got together and identified a series of amendments to that code.

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The Commission discussed those codes the last hearing on June 17th, and instructed staff to come back with those changes.

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changes. The changes are before you tonight. I also want to acknowledge that we did receive

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a comment from Mr. William Gifford who looks like he's on the line. With that, I'm here

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to answer any questions. And so is our CIC chair, Bob LaSalle.

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Go ahead and improve Mr. Gifford.

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Okay, William Gifford, I have you unmuted and it's your turn to speak. You have up to three

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minutes if you could begin by stating your first and last name and city of residency for

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the record.

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I hope that by now the commission has received a couple of documents that I submitted

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to the city recorder. One of them is

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to the ordinance and another take on what I think could

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be done to assist the CIC. So those of you who may not know

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association and the CIC having served

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of the CIC Secretaries, Neighborhood Association Chair and Land Use Chair and

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a lot of political

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working to get neighborhood associations reactivated and so on.

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So I consider myself pretty well versed in the workings of those associations.

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I consider that to the code I think are probably not in the best interest of things.

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I mentioned particularly the idea of giving each neighborhood in

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my argumentation.

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I think that the only people with associations that,

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if the intent of this is to increase

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participation, I don't see that this is doing it, and I hope that you read the rest of my

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arguments in there, but I won't take your time to reiterate, but I've

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given this a lot

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of thought.

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It should be one neighborhood that gets one vote,

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way too many disadvantages.

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Just more

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minor point is the whole idea of the reason why a neighborhood association

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nominee would not be appointed in my experience.

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There's only been one time that that's ever happened, and that was because the applicant

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was currently.

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why the neighborhood associations

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like that would be the

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changes are more to the point

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of

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of the neighborhoods of

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the line on center lines of streets,

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which is not the most effective way

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because it puts neighbors from neighbors

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on opposite sides of the streets may very well be

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and many of them are in different neighborhood associations.

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And I gave an example of that.

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And I think that that could easily be re-aligned

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by using addresses rather than a center line of streets.

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Also, those boundaries are not an alignment

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with police department boundaries.

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The police are allocated by a number of incidents and resources and they do not exactly match back to a neighborhood association.

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There are multiple neighborhoods in one police district. It doesn't map back very well. I don't know why the, there was boundaries can't be. The reason why is because the reports that are given by the police to the neighborhood associations for

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purposes.

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It's not actionable data.

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the information that's given has no trend lines,

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it has no context, you don't know if number

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is on the rise

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or on the decline.

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I think that I'm trying to keep this under the

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much

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and I hope that the city commission has taken the opportunity

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to read my, to read

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and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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Thank you, sir.

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And then, Bob LaSalle, I believe, would like to speak.

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Did you want to speak, Bob?

446
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,920
So I'll come out mystery

447
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:40,270
medications from mr. Griffin and I want to make it clear about the

448
00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:41,650
two

449
00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:44,070
votes per neighborhood

450
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:46,150
Have been

451
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:49,210
Almost unanimously obtain

452
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:52,840
a word associations

453
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,340
It

454
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:57,070
was brought up in the CIC

455
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,290
obvious that the CIC members themselves

456
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:02,730
themselves.

457
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:07,480
What's per neighborhood

458
00:42:17,650 --> 00:42:19,370
is not a point

459
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:27,650
outcome of that would be that the

460
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:35,710
neighborhoods would not again turn right around and select another representative who had

461
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:36,730
the same

462
00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:45,370
qualifications that the mayor had in the previous one. So it was just be notified

463
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:52,530
in the neighborhood why the appointment was not approved and then they can go ahead get

464
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,190
somebody else in there that would be more,

465
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:59,460
I mean, the opinion of the mayor.

466
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:07,550
One of the boundaries is that that would be the thing about how to

467
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:25,900
Mr. Griffin,

468
00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:29,120
since I became chair of the CIC,

469
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:36,830
interested in coming and joining us again as a member.

470
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:43,430
Of course, he'd have to be selected by his neighbors. But he offered of

471
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,680
the CIC a huge amount of

472
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,020
knowledge,

473
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
to help the CIC get where it was,

474
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:01,960
reaching out to him, he refused.

475
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:11,270
One of the reasons he gave was that he disagreed with the two members per

476
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:14,850
neighbor association as he spoke of this evening.

477
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:25,490
I'm going to about this if he wants to change.

478
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:42,190
Nope, that's it.

479
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:46,990
And what's the pleasure of the commission?

480
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:48,610
I'd like to move with the first reading.

481
00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:50,510
I'll second.

482
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:51,880
second.

483
00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:52,700
Second.

484
00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:53,930
Further discussion?

485
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,160
Well, first, the reading, ordinance number 20-1008, an ordinance of the city, Oregon City, and many in chapter 2.3 over the Oregon City Municipal Code, citizen involvement committee.

486
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:31,120
Commissioner Rachel Laosmith, aye. Commissioner Franco-Donnell. Aye. Commissioner Rocky Smith. Aye. Commissioner Denise McGriff. Aye. Mayor Dan Holliday. Aye. Mayor Holliday, may I make a suggestion?

487
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,280
The suggestion to the community development director about

488
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:41,180
what this just the suggestion about the street thing might be something to look into.

489
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,720
I didn't realize some of the neighborhood boundaries split a street with people on either side of the street.

490
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:49,660
I don't think we have that situation in McLaughlin.

491
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:55,980
It clearly goes around for geographic boundary in terms of features but not any streets.

492
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,440
I don't maybe that's something that's applicable to other neighborhoods.

493
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,260
just maybe take a quick look at it, see if there's any of that going on.

494
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:09,580
I understand what you're saying, but, be honest, that's a lot of work, or...

495
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:16,860
I didn't say to you that I just sit and look at it, see if there's any streets that are split. I don't know if there are.

496
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,100
I'm not comfortable with asking community development to take on more work right now, given the other stuff they're doing.

497
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:24,600
No,

498
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:29,980
we can have good.

499
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,000
It was a discussion about motion.

500
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:40,760
Oh, sorry.

501
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,040
No, it was not a motion on that.

502
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,620
It was just a suggestion to say if there are any, maybe there is.

503
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,140
I don't know.

504
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,300
Okay, the next agenda item is General Business Item 7B.

505
00:46:55,620 --> 00:47:00,440
That is the Willamette Falls Legacy Project and Willamette Falls Trust Grant Agreement.

506
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,840
And again, it's Director Laura Turway.

507
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,500
Thank you very much.

508
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:08,120
The Willamette Falls Legacy Project includes four project partners.

509
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:17,140
Oregon City, Clackamas County, Metro, and the state, those partners together formed a non-profit in 2015, now known as the Lamont Falls Trust.

510
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:31,580
A grant agreement is before you tonight, which is a continuation of a previous agreement, as well as the addition of additional acknowledgement of activities that the trust is already performing on behalf of the partners.

511
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:39,100
This agreement is good for one year and includes an opportunity to extend for an additional year.

512
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Highlights of the agreement include community engagement.

513
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:48,680
The trust has been giving two tours of the site and also doing donor prospecting and other activities.

514
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:57,440
Fundraising so far they've raised more than $7 million for the project to date and the agreement pledges another $5.9 million.

515
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:05,020
attendance at meetings, they attend our regular staff meetings regarding the project, design

516
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:10,980
input. This one is new. We felt that it was important that we have someone at the table

517
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,200
to represent programming and interpretation opportunities to make sure that when we identify

518
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,460
phase one and get down into the details of design that we're not precluding future opportunities.

519
00:48:22,460 --> 00:48:30,480
and also working with affected tribes to understand how they can be included into the project as well.

520
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,340
Another item that is new to this agreement, that was in the last agreement,

521
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,720
includes defining expectations for world-class programming.

522
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,100
We've heard from the community ideas of what they would like to have on site,

523
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:48,680
and we need to further define what that means, what is world-class programming.

524
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:54,820
Under the direction of the partners, the trust has already been leading this initial planning effort.

525
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:03,680
This effort also includes identifying potentially design requirements, approaches and recommendations for curating narratives.

526
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:11,140
It does not include details of implementation like we have been talking about.

527
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:17,780
I recognize that it is we're having two parallel conversations at the same time with the commission. One about

528
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:23,720
Details of who and how we implement programming in the few years that we get there

529
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:30,240
And then this other one which is a high-level conversation about what is programming on site

530
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:35,840
Disagreement identifies $50,000 a year. It includes $50,000 for

531
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,040
or the year that just ended, as well as this one moving forward in them potentially another one if it's extended a year.

532
00:49:42,740 --> 00:49:51,180
Andrew Mason, which is the Executive Director of Law and FALL's Trust, is on the line as well as, yeah, and we're here to answer any questions.

533
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,740
Mr. Mason,

534
00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:57,670
you there.

535
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:08,920
Okay, offering more background. I'm prepared to answer whatever questions you may have. I don't know, yeah,

536
00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:14,700
commission. Yes, please, Mr. Mayor.

537
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:37,600
Mr. Chairway, thank you for clarifying these specific changes. I'm glad that I picked up on all of those. And I just wanted to make, I understand from your statements that we have a parallel discussion as you stated. So we had a discussion previously about who would

538
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:44,520
implement the programming. This is basically still in the discussion stage about the programming

539
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,480
in general, but as you said, as a very high level, but it is not in any way engaging into a contract

540
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:55,360
by which we select someone or an entity to manage the programming. Whatever that is going to be.

541
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,040
That is correct. Okay. Thank you.

542
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:11,080
My questions are along the same lines. First of all, I want to ask

543
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:18,600
There is a funding gap currently in terms of the river walk construction, correct?

544
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:20,380
Yes.

545
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,620
And it's like 17 million or something.

546
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,980
Well, we have an identified what phase one is at the moment, but that's a funding gap.

547
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:41,240
So, and then there is a chance, the possible chance with COVID and other situations at the state level that in the future,

548
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:45,780
or some of that funding might be, could change.

549
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:50,880
Yes, we're waiting for direction from the partners on that.

550
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:52,900
Okay,

551
00:51:55,260 --> 00:51:56,520
here's my concern.

552
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,820
And it's the same concern I had a conversation

553
00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:03,440
with Laura, we

554
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,020
had how

555
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:14,890
it falls.

556
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,980
One was our work.

557
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:24,230
We talked, you know, was our first real conversation

558
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:28,840
about what this in terms of programming.

559
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:40,540
And we were pretty clear that at this point we had no real thought of specifically how that would be taking place.

560
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:48,040
For instance, Commissioner McGriff stated that she was not open to handing over management or programming.

561
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,820
commission or a lot of Smith also mentioned and

562
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,340
depending on what instruction,

563
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:16,040
not to

564
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,280
default programming to people that we are

565
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:25,390
on and so there was clear directions kind of

566
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:29,690
there that we weren't really ready to talk too much about details of programming.

567
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:32,990
I mean we are really willing to talk about it and we just haven't got there yet.

568
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:41,900
Andrew Mason also mentioned that the trust doesn't do program and that they are probably

569
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:49,700
not the best organization to do that which we've had that conversation as well.

570
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:57,860
My worry is this agreement, which is just about grants, the only difference with this agreement

571
00:53:57,860 --> 00:54:02,900
in terms of wording that I can pull out of that and it's written in there multiple times,

572
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:09,220
The drastic difference with this agreement versus the old one, which by the way expired

573
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:10,000
a year ago.

574
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:17,240
So this being put on our consent agenda at the last meeting and then was said to us at

575
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:21,000
the end of the meeting when we didn't get to it that it was an emergency and we really

576
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,100
should address that night, which we did not.

577
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,480
It's an agreement that's been expired for over a year.

578
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:27,640
So,

579
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,440
if you read the agreement, this current one, and compare it to the original agreement

580
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:40,600
that expired a year ago, the difference is whether or not we are going to allow the

581
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:49,640
trust to receive grants or advocate for grants for programs versus or as an addition to what

582
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,760
the original agreement was, which is funding for the river walk itself.

583
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,940
So my point is, if we have a gap already in even building this thing,

584
00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:16,350
Why are we even thinking about trying to solicit grants and work towards programming, especially if this is not the group that we've talked about implementing that at some point. The areas here get great in that we have.

585
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:32,570
We've already engaged in a certain process with them that we assign this agreement and give them the go ahead to start accepting grants in our behalf in terms of viewing programming.

586
00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:39,930
programming. We're kind of already going against the concern, which is, are we going

587
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:44,170
to already, you know, kind of default to people that are already involved, which is

588
00:55:44,170 --> 00:55:49,490
what commission allows the concern with. I think that, you know, clearly we want to

589
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:58,170
be able to solicit grants, but if we don't even have any real understanding that this, what

590
00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:03,450
the river was going to look like for one, how we're going to actually pay for it because

591
00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:09,830
we still have a massive gap. We're several years away from even discussing programming

592
00:56:09,830 --> 00:56:14,990
and I understand that delineation here is trying to say that this agreement really is just

593
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:15,130
a

594
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:29,480
programming. We can do that without coming in for programming. I just think that this

595
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,100
agenda and then immediately now let's be

596
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:44,990
clear to you're ago. I think distance yet that

597
00:56:59,870 --> 00:57:00,290
we all

598
00:57:00,290 --> 00:57:01,010
getting

599
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,220
into the place have a different view about where we're going.

600
00:57:18,730 --> 00:57:19,490
Very careful

601
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:20,030
that

602
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:26,700
it is on

603
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,640
and then and one of which

604
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:48,400
kind of the

605
00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:58,950
conversation about it before we pass this.

606
00:58:00,590 --> 00:58:06,950
But sure of no. Well first I'm going to say that I am the one of the two people that goes to those

607
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:12,270
meetings and just recently attended the last one. I also want to say that I truly highly

608
00:58:12,270 --> 00:58:18,030
value laminate falls trust contributions because they have far exceeded some other partners

609
00:58:18,030 --> 00:58:21,990
namely the county who I don't even know what they have enough money to come sit at the table.

610
00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:27,950
So I'm I'm proud of them but my problem with this agreement is

611
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:33,030
everything permission or smith said is correct. If you had attended that meeting,

612
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:39,350
it's a public meeting. This project is failing. This project is not defined. There are divergent

613
00:58:39,350 --> 00:58:46,490
interest even as to how to enter the facility. And those interests include huge impacts on the

614
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:51,250
budget, one of which jumps the budget by 17 million, which is what Commissioner Smith referred to.

615
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:56,970
The problem with this agreement, and there's things in this agreement that you just cringe.

616
00:58:57,230 --> 00:59:02,650
There's a point where this thing doesn't come together. The funds end up, the funds raised by

617
00:59:02,650 --> 00:59:06,470
Lena Paul's trust ended up getting dispersed in the partners, which I think would be a terrible

618
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:13,370
state. So I agree with additional discussion. The problem with this whole proposal tonight

619
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:17,810
is there's so many elements to it and one of the elements that Commissioner Smith alluded

620
00:59:17,810 --> 00:59:24,970
to is the programming. We are so far from programming that I'm not prepared to move forward on

621
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:30,670
this tonight and I would throw in with Commissioner Rocky Smith that this needs a whole bunch more

622
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:35,450
sit down in the discussion because there's the problem with this kind of proposal is there

623
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:42,530
So many individual elements that if there's even one that you disagree with, you're placed in a position of having to vote no. Thank you.

624
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,800
I don't think I have any comments at this point or questions.

625
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,000
Mr. McGriff?

626
00:59:54,820 --> 00:59:59,400
Yes, I want to reiterate my...

627
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:28,660
Support for the Willamette Falls Trust. I do have a great deal of confidence in their ability to help us get here. And I believe that we've had just a minor, not really a minor hiccup, but we've had, you know, sort of a slight change of direction. And I think that our partners, the confederated tribes of Grand Ron are doing everything they can to help us move forward, although with the current situation with COVID, I think things have come to us to a little bit of a crawl.

628
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:37,640
But that being said, that does not dissuade my confidence in the Willemite Falls Trust and their staff.

629
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:46,840
I have recently, they had some participation in a process where we were talking about ideas about programming.

630
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,140
I definitely agree with Commissioner Smith about the programming, to me that's a separate discussion.

631
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:57,960
What this agreement talks about is keeping the discussion going about programming and

632
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,040
having them bring back ideas to us about how that might happen.

633
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:08,320
I agree that we needed a separate conversation about programming and my concern previously

634
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:14,740
the Commissioner Smith cited was the fact that I wanted to see a little bit more of a balance

635
01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:18,740
in the partnership that we were going to have with regard to programming.

636
01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:23,360
I think in my opinion, I think my concerns about that can be resolved, but to me that's a

637
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,220
separate conversation.

638
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
I want to see us continue to move forward.

639
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,160
I want us to promote the confidence that we have in the process, and the community has

640
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:38,020
a great deal of expectations, and to that end I had suggested back in April that we even

641
01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:43,200
have a minimal sort of groundbreaking just so we could say we were doing something, and

642
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,380
then obviously in the meantime we found out that the grant that the grant run we're trying

643
01:01:47,380 --> 01:01:51,420
to get with the EPA did not quite happen, but we're going to punt and try something else.

644
01:01:51,420 --> 01:01:55,640
So, I don't have a problem with this moving this forward.

645
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,300
I believe we need to continue to have the agreement with them.

646
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,740
I think we need to have an agreement with our partners, and I would like to see this move

647
01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:05,100
forward.

648
01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:09,980
But if we need to have further conversations about the programming, I think we need to do

649
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:10,300
that.

650
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:17,120
But I don't think it should be held up with regard to us having a management agreement in terms

651
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,740
of how we operate and allowing them to receive funds if that should come to pass.

652
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:28,000
I would like them to continue to be able to do that, but I think the other things can

653
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,120
be worked out.

654
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,620
And even though Commissioner O'Donnell said, well, if you disagree with one part of it,

655
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:35,300
does it torpedo the whole thing?

656
01:02:35,740 --> 01:02:41,580
I think we have to continue to operate in good faith and move forward with this organization

657
01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:44,280
that has been partners with us in lockstep.

658
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:54,080
So I have every confidence that through our city leadership, our city manager and our other departments that are working with them that we can move forward with this.

659
01:02:54,240 --> 01:03:00,880
I really do and I think we need to have a little bit of a little bit of faith that we're going to get there because we do have a long road.

660
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:05,880
I don't want us to stop and then start because that helps us lose momentum.

661
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,440
So that's my comments and support for the grant agreement.

662
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,900
Mr. Frick, do we have any public comment on this?

663
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:15,240
We do not.

664
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:15,780
All

665
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:20,120
right.

666
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,280
So if you have any response

667
01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:36,180
and I want to be clear that the plan here, plan,

668
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:41,250
that's one

669
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:47,260
of the elements that we have been showing legacy project and so we've been working on behalf

670
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:50,520
of the legacy project as a whole in order to do that.

671
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:58,470
that, importantly, because in order to raise money, you know, we have, we talk to donors

672
01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:02,950
and they were very clear and said, we want to know two things. We want to know what's

673
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:07,110
going to happen on day one when we get there. So, if we're going to make an investment, we

674
01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:10,830
want to know what we're going to do there. And so, we're doing our, we're, we're, we're

675
01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:13,710
working to answer that question. What will that experience,

676
01:04:15,930 --> 01:04:17,530
other, other folks that

677
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:19,960
mean

678
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,500
when we discuss

679
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:27,290
it, that it seems that, you know, we aren't in the position to be able

680
01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:29,430
to raise a lot of additional thumbs

681
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,120
in.

682
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:16,150
Thank you.

683
01:05:29,740 --> 01:05:38,200
Is there a motion? I still have comments. We have two comments outstanding, Mayor. Sorry, I didn't see the screen. Commissioner Smith.

684
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,420
I also appreciate the work that

685
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:46,360
Lana Falls Trust has done up to this point on this project

686
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:53,420
confidence that,

687
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:56,080
and here's

688
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:56,540
the reason.

689
01:06:01,610 --> 01:06:07,690
Well, we had the two meetings that I just spoke about previous that we had discussions

690
01:06:07,690 --> 01:06:12,990
about Lana Falls Trust was, that

691
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:28,690
meeting was all about programming, and as you recall, it

692
01:06:28,690 --> 01:06:38,010
It was an MOU, I believe, or they didn't bring a MOU to us, but the assumption was at

693
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:43,770
some point we were going to get toward some sort of an agreement in regards to programming.

694
01:06:44,330 --> 01:06:48,320
And it was clear that none of us were ready to go there.

695
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,840
And I've talked about sidebar meetings before.

696
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:56,520
Sidebar meetings are when staff immediately needs to ask us questions and have separate

697
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,860
meeting to a regular meeting because they have concerns that we're not going to support

698
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:00,260
something.

699
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:06,560
So immediately following this February 5th meeting, I was asked and I think maybe not the

700
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:13,440
only one as a commissioner to meet with the Wolf Lamont Falls Trust to answer or to have

701
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,960
a conversation about the two-page list of questions that I have for them regarding programming.

702
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:19,720
meeting,

703
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:30,960
Lexus, Andrew, and former man Norris, where virtually none of my questions were answered,

704
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,240
including answer

705
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:41,410
two from the city of

706
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,040
come to us and we assume they were going to come to us with

707
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:15,040
an MOU pretty quickly. That never happened. And so now we're coming to this piece where we have this

708
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,200
other agreement that kind of, you know, for

709
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:42,220
the legacy project

710
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,380
look like on day one, a

711
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:14,600
planning step

712
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,300
in determining what the scope of world class attraction is

713
01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:19,760
or

714
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:30,750
to anyone they talk to

715
01:09:34,750 --> 01:09:34,930
them

716
01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:36,870
because there's a one's talking about it

717
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:38,170
and representing it as

718
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:50,160
a programming.

719
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:50,580
I see.

720
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:06,180
I think just-

721
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:39,260
Mr. Rosal, I admire Commissioner McGriff's optimistic outlook, but I was at the last meeting. And I don't see how we can proceed with this. I mean, quite honestly, the partners are not even in agreement as to how people are going to enter the facility. And one, the part preferred by the tribe entails a $17 million addition for a bridge. We are cautioned by Mark Meak that we could potentially lose our $10 million

722
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:45,780
plus the interest is gained if it chooses to revert it back because of our fiscal problems.

723
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:56,160
I'm even curious about the women of post trust itself because $05.9 million a raise shows up in parentheses, so maybe they've got some concerns also.

724
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,220
So I think, quite honestly, I think what this needs is more discussion.

725
01:11:00,220 --> 01:11:06,480
I think it's premature because how can we fashion a program when we don't even know what we're going to do as far as our entrance?

726
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:12,720
And so, I'm going to, my comments would just reflect Commissioner Smith's comments, I'm

727
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:13,340
sorry to say.

728
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:18,720
Again, I'll say I do value workforce trust, they're a great partner, but let's define

729
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,380
what we want to do, and let's make some steps before we lose the whole ball of wax.

730
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:23,800
Thanks.

731
01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:29,980
Yes.

732
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:39,880
So, my first question is, why has it taken a year to come back with an agreement?

733
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:52,320
And then I assume the same agreement is being circulated by all of the partners is that that everybody's the intent is for all of the partners to sign the same agreement.

734
01:11:53,120 --> 01:12:02,400
Yes, it is the intent for every all the other partners to sign thus far the county has signed the trust has signed and it's in the process of being signed by Metro.

735
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:06,340
It's true, the agreement lapsed last summer.

736
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:12,500
We were getting ready to bring it back in December-ish of this year.

737
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,860
And we decided to focus a little bit more on what would happen with Phase 1.

738
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,240
As you know, a new partner or the site was purchased by the Confederate Tribes of Grand

739
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:24,680
Ronde.

740
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,820
And so we were focusing on working with them.

741
01:12:27,820 --> 01:12:38,440
The partners allowed us to work with them to identify an alternative approach, and so we were focused all our energy on that rather than on this agreement.

742
01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:41,780
What was your other question again?

743
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:44,360
Those were my questions, so thank you, Mr. Ray.

744
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:52,320
So, I guess where I'm at is, well, first, I believe the WLAMAPOL's trust has operated

745
01:12:52,320 --> 01:13:00,060
for the last year on a good faith continuation of what they've been doing in the past.

746
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,760
And so, I'm

747
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:13,210
challenged with us either not knowing that the agreement expired or, and with

748
01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:19,350
the issue that there's work that was performed and they haven't been compensated for that.

749
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:22,490
So that's one piece of this agreement and I'm not talking about the work they're going

750
01:13:22,490 --> 01:13:31,330
to do that I think that we should settle up and, you know, they were operating in good

751
01:13:31,330 --> 01:13:36,530
faith and continuance and working with the partners and they have continued to do to work

752
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:40,350
on this project and therefore I think they should be compensated for that year's worth

753
01:13:40,350 --> 01:13:49,250
of work. Regarding the set this year that we're in right now, which is talking about the

754
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:53,890
scope of what they are going to do, which has been the majority of this conversation that

755
01:13:53,890 --> 01:13:58,510
we've had tonight about what they're going to work on. I agree with Commissioner McGriff

756
01:13:58,510 --> 01:14:04,350
that I think they're making good steps, good progress, and good faith. They're trying to

757
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:11,750
work this through I think it is on a little bit shaky ground and it's unstable but I do understand

758
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:16,450
that in order to raise funds for a project you have to have a plan. You have to be able to sell

759
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:22,730
something and at some point it has to be to get big money I think it takes more than just selling

760
01:14:22,730 --> 01:14:30,530
the falls unfortunately. I think programming is part of that and so I understand that that thought

761
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:35,710
process or that you know when they're out trying to collect funds for this

762
01:14:35,710 --> 01:14:40,370
project and if they don't have an answer when folks are asking them well what's

763
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:43,990
the plan and what's going to be there and what are people going to do why should I

764
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:48,090
give you a couple million dollars if you have no plan for this you know landmark

765
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:53,370
huge you know world famous site but you have nothing to offer you have no

766
01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:57,090
nothing other than people are going to look at the fall so I could see where

767
01:14:57,090 --> 01:14:59,770
that would be a struggle to have that conversation in two.

768
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:29,670
Do the work that they've been charged to do. So I would be supportive of this agreement. My only comment is it's on a very short thin, thin layer of ice. Like we need to see some movement. I think there's there is a lot of concern about the new owners of the project and being able to collaborate and work and move the project forward. Our community needs to see that the project is moving forward.

769
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:38,470
I think we're trying to be as patient as possible, but this thin ice that we're walking on of things being unsettled

770
01:15:39,170 --> 01:15:44,670
can only last for so long. And I know this agreement says that it can be extended

771
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:52,770
for two more years that yearly increments. I would just say that if we don't make good progress in

772
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:58,710
this next year, the chances of this agreement getting extended another year is probably unlikely.

773
01:15:58,710 --> 01:16:02,850
So, I'll just leave it at that.

774
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:08,680
Thank you. So, I'll leave my comments now.

775
01:16:11,470 --> 01:16:14,670
Mr. Mason and his group have done an admiral job.

776
01:16:14,670 --> 01:16:18,170
They've raised more money than, you know,

777
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:22,070
anybody private group has ever raised an orientation.

778
01:16:23,210 --> 01:16:30,490
I think that it's a scary thing when you talk about marketing something.

779
01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:39,530
marketing takes skill and practice and needs some substance. And while I agree with

780
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:45,310
Commissioner Smith and Commissioner O'Donnell that maybe this is a tad bit early, the fact

781
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:53,690
is that when you're selling a high-rise condo or a theme park, you have to have creativity

782
01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:58,310
to get it to the

783
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:59,750
where you could actually build it.

784
01:17:00,670 --> 01:17:03,310
And the fact is, is that, you know,

785
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:07,330
this whole COVID thing has changed everybody's lives

786
01:17:07,330 --> 01:17:10,270
in every project's possibilities.

787
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:13,150
The fact is that the balls are still there

788
01:17:13,770 --> 01:17:15,450
and something is going to happen.

789
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:18,270
We have an easing, we have all that stuff.

790
01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:25,320
You know, as much as all these people love the plan stuff,

791
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:29,620
and you know how I feel about master plans

792
01:17:29,620 --> 01:17:42,260
and all that kind of thing, I think it's dangerous for us not to at least consider the fact that preliminary planning is not a final plan by any stretch of the imagination.

793
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:49,880
And so to allow these folks to continue to work on preliminary programming is not going

794
01:17:54,490 --> 01:18:00,930
to be support this year or for the year that we're talking about.

795
01:18:00,930 --> 01:18:04,530
and we talk about it in a year to see where things go.

796
01:18:05,310 --> 01:18:09,480
I heard that there is some question about

797
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,980
whether the Confederate tribes that grant bond

798
01:18:12,980 --> 01:18:13,460
are,

799
01:18:15,650 --> 01:18:17,630
it's because they definitely are.

800
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:25,260
I've spoken with it and they want this product

801
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:26,160
to be a separate

802
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:33,800
idea,

803
01:18:34,460 --> 01:18:37,300
but I'll hear whatever motions someone wants to make.

804
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:40,090
I'd like to make a motion.

805
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:43,050
Commissioner Grimm.

806
01:18:43,050 --> 01:18:48,590
I like to move that we approve the Willemma Falls Legacy Project and Willem Falls Trust grant

807
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:55,430
agreement for the period of one year as specified in the document, and that we move forward

808
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:58,590
with trying to have further discussions, even though our plate is really full.

809
01:18:58,770 --> 01:19:04,770
I think this is a discussion that we need to figure out somehow to get going again.

810
01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:08,260
I'll second.

811
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:11,390
and I have a question.

812
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:15,480
In the wording of this agreement,

813
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,620
what I don't want to have happen

814
01:19:20,620 --> 01:19:26,220
is this agreement being voted in for a year and then that expires and we don't hear about

815
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:30,980
it for another year. So I want to make some assurance that there's an end date to this,

816
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:36,660
where it comes to us, or it's null and void on that day.

817
01:19:36,660 --> 01:19:36,700
Okay.

818
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:46,380
Would it be acceptable if we get a report from the Trust on 9DA prior to the expiration date?

819
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:16,620
So,

820
01:20:18,860 --> 01:20:38,160
I would just caution that most of the other parties have signed the agreement, but I will read from the agreement, which it says, the term of this agreement may be extended. So, it says the term is actually one year. The term of this agreement may be extended for one year period by written agreement between all parties. So, there is a written agreement.

821
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:53,340
I think that term, Mr. Mayor, I think that term would allow us to, and in with your direction tonight, we will take on that responsibility and in our discussion with Mr. Mason for the quarterly updates that we do have to bring this back for, you know, written agreement.

822
01:20:53,800 --> 01:21:02,220
I think staff and myself understand exactly where this commission is coming from in wanting more information and updates and discussion about this.

823
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:08,120
and it expires. Yeah, there there is an expiration date of June 30th 2021.

824
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,240
Right. With all written agreement. Right. With all written agreement.

825
01:21:11,420 --> 01:21:16,240
Mr. Smith, that. Commissioner Smith, does that satisfy your question?

826
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:22,060
Well, not really, because have they been acting with this agreement, the past agreement

827
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:27,100
in effect since it expired. Well, we're not talking about past, we're talking about.

828
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:33,840
I mean, if we're saying that they are working in good faith, the fact is that the last

829
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,460
time we sign an agreement, they waited a year after it expired to come and talk about

830
01:21:38,460 --> 01:21:38,640
it.

831
01:21:39,140 --> 01:21:43,520
So then we're going to now assume that we're going to give them the benefit of that out

832
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,700
and they're going to come and do that at the end of the next year and don't be hoved

833
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:47,360
them to do that.

834
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,840
Behooves them to keep doing what they're doing and not saying anything and then say, oh,

835
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:53,320
by the way, now we forgot about it a year later.

836
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:58,500
I think unless it's in there, it means nothing.

837
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:01,360
Commissioner Smith, it takes two to tango.

838
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:03,080
Hang on.

839
01:22:03,980 --> 01:22:09,500
So the point is that the partners group gets regular updates

840
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:11,540
from the one

841
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:17,740
of those folks who attends those meetings as I do.

842
01:22:17,940 --> 01:22:21,100
And every commissioner here has the opportunity

843
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:22,760
to attend those meetings as well.

844
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:32,680
But the fact is is that if we say and Mr. Mason has agreed that they're going to give us quarterly updates, I think that satisfies your objective.

845
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:41,500
Well, I'll point out that Commissioner Donald does against this and if he is one of our representatives, that's pointing in.

846
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:49,080
And also, I believe if staff that can find out, is it true that well outfalls trust was behind in their rent?

847
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:53,600
They were behind in their rent.

848
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:55,500
Yes, and now they're up today.

849
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:56,780
they were behind in their rent.

850
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,700
So not only were they behind in their rent,

851
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:01,380
they were also waited a year later.

852
01:23:01,580 --> 01:23:03,640
So I don't know how we think that this is like,

853
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,280
you know, we're just gonna take their word for it.

854
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,460
Well, you gotta first guess

855
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:13,510
all I say

856
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:15,270
is I'm uncomfortable with the details.

857
01:23:15,650 --> 01:23:17,650
I would prefer we had a professional conversation

858
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:21,930
and got more specific on it before I could support it.

859
01:23:23,550 --> 01:23:25,870
And I'm sorry I'm placed in that position,

860
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:27,930
but that's position I'm in.

861
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:30,950
Okay, so is there any further discussion?

862
01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:32,070
No.

863
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,320
Commissioner Rachel Laosmith.

864
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:38,760
Aye.

865
01:23:39,460 --> 01:23:40,800
Commissioner Rocky Smith.

866
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:42,360
No.

867
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,540
Commissioner Frank Goodonnell.

868
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:46,160
No.

869
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:48,620
Commissioner Denise McGriff.

870
01:23:49,220 --> 01:23:49,380
Yes.

871
01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:50,920
Mayor Dan Holliday.

872
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,880
Aye, motion carries.

873
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:54,420
Move on.

874
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:02,120
The next agenda item is General Business Item 7C

875
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,820
and that is the Resolution 20-05.

876
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:11,300
modifications of the planning division fee schedule, and that is Laura

877
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:15,580
Terwey. Thank you very much. I'm introducing Christina Robertson

878
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:17,180
Gardner, your senior planner with the city.

879
01:24:21,740 --> 01:24:23,000
Thank you, Laura Terwey. Mayor

880
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:28,640
commissioners, I have a short four-slide presentation this evening about the

881
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,160
fees, and I'll let Katie start that. Thank you.

882
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:38,080
This is the Park's acquisition

883
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,380
interim development fee for non-residential development within the

884
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:46,300
a symbol creek, beaver creek park place concept, excuse me, beaver creek concept plan.

885
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,960
So just some of the fee proposal process of how we got here this evening.

886
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,120
The Parks and Rec Advisory Committee and Planning Commission directed staff

887
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,960
that non-residential development should contribute today.

888
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,460
The acquisition interim development of park spaces above and beyond required park CSTC. They felt that employees of symbol creep businesses will have access to nearby parks. Staff proceeded a simple and straightforward fee for non-residential park acquisition and interim improvements because it provided the most transparency for the development community. The fee is set for $1,000 for each new 5,000 square feet of non-residential development. This is exclusively for acquisition

889
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:34,880
an interim development of parks and open spaces within cymbal creek and the fee was referenced

890
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:39,700
in a legislative file in the red line code amendments starting in the fall of 2019,

891
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,860
including the staff report and presentation of the city commission and really it's part of the

892
01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:50,820
larger cymbal creek adoption package but was separated as an agenda item because it adopted as a

893
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:52,840
fee resolution. Next slide.

894
01:25:55,380 --> 01:25:59,080
There was some question about how this fee related to system development

895
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:17,140
for parks. I had assistant city engineer Josh Wheeler put together a estimated fee for potential future projects. So what you see in the above table are estimated fees for a 5,000 square foot building on two vacant acres.

896
01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:23,020
So you see kind of different, we looked at three different use criteria that would be might

897
01:26:23,020 --> 01:26:24,080
be in the employment areas.

898
01:26:24,820 --> 01:26:30,300
And the Thimble Creek non-residential parks acquisition in room development fee is,

899
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:37,860
would be $10,000 for that same $50,000 square feet, so that would be added on to the park's

900
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:42,820
SDC when the applicant came in for development next slide.

901
01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:51,980
this evening, I wanted to provide comments. There are two comments from James and CEDA and

902
01:26:51,980 --> 01:26:56,940
your packet as well as a memorandum submitted by Bill Kabai's when our city attorney. Why

903
01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:01,460
partner or finance director and Bill Kabai's when our available answer your questions about

904
01:27:01,460 --> 01:27:05,000
those issues this evening. And the last slide.

905
01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:10,590
What I see options for the city commission this

906
01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:16,550
evening, you can approve the resolution with the existing fee structure as proposed by staff.

907
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:20,130
You can modify the resolution with the revised fee structure.

908
01:27:20,810 --> 01:27:25,570
You can deny the resolution and provide direction that you do not want to see a fee for

909
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:30,790
non-residential park acquisition in-erm development in the concept plan area, or you could continue

910
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:34,110
this file to a future date and provide further direction to staff.

911
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:38,230
So I'm available to answer any questions, so is Mr. Parno and Mr. Capison?

912
01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:57,020
My memorandum was relatively short response to specific issues that were raised by the public

913
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:01,320
comment. I'm happy to answer any questions otherwise they think it speaks for

914
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:01,720
itself.

915
01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:10,280
I'm curious if our economic development coordinator James Graham is

916
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:16,300
here. I know it seems like our city is based based on fee bases and you'll see

917
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:21,080
feel this will impact his ability to attract commercial businesses to this

918
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,860
development if he's available.

919
01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:32,680
About the fee

920
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:40,440
development it's probably worth

921
01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:43,370
to

922
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:46,190
and act to see at this point, it would be difficult.

923
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,520
Mr. Mayor, can I make a comment?

924
01:28:54,980 --> 01:28:55,800
Last month.

925
01:28:56,340 --> 01:28:56,680
Thank you.

926
01:28:57,460 --> 01:28:59,520
So the reason this is on the agenda,

927
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:01,840
it was because it was on the consent agenda

928
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,040
at our last meeting,

929
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,840
and it was one that I felt like the commission needed

930
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,320
to discuss or I had reservations on it,

931
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,780
and I wanted to hear the discussion and input

932
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:14,140
from our other commissioners at the DIAS.

933
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,020
My reservations are probably in the same vein

934
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:24,380
of where Commissioner Donnell was going with asking Mr. Graham about economic development.

935
01:29:26,980 --> 01:29:33,540
I've since confirmed so all of these businesses are already paying SDCs and I couldn't figure

936
01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:38,520
out why are we calling out these businesses and asking them to add on an additional fee.

937
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:44,100
If our SDCs are insufficient then we should be doing an evaluation of our SDCs and I believe

938
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:57,740
I believe that is coming, but maybe it's only coming for part of our SDC's and not going to consider parks, so I don't know if you, if, do you know Christina Robertson Gardner can answer that for you, Christina, do you know?

939
01:30:00,500 --> 01:30:30,380
So, about future parks SDCs? Yes. Are they is the evaluation that I believe is coming on SDCs, including parks SDCs? Well, that would be a future project by our new parks director. This was looking at interim development and acquisition, which in the idea that if development happened sooner before the parks

940
01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:39,560
SDCCs were analyzed that we made sure that we had the ability to acquire the property

941
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:40,100
we needed.

942
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:42,280
So this was looked at for that.

943
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:48,700
So, and it was specific within the area, whereas SDCCs are generally looked at city

944
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:48,900
wide.

945
01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:49,740
Right.

946
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:57,700
So, you know, I think park SDCCs funds are probably one of the only funds that we actually

947
01:30:57,700 --> 01:31:04,820
We have available to us, and we don't spend a lot of park STC funds on acquisition of parks.

948
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,300
So I would think Mr. Parno, I believe, is still on the line.

949
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:13,000
I mean, I feel like that fund is pretty healthy and we're not buying up park land all over the place.

950
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:19,260
So I'm not concerned, I'm surprised we're calling out these businesses in this area to pay an additional fee.

951
01:31:19,460 --> 01:31:21,140
And I just have a little heartburn over that.

952
01:31:24,580 --> 01:31:28,700
So, Mr. Parno, did you have anything else to add on the SDC funds?

953
01:31:31,210 --> 01:31:34,170
Thank you, Commission President Miles Smith, Mayor and City Commissioners.

954
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:36,570
I don't know that I have anything additional to add to that.

955
01:31:36,730 --> 01:31:41,990
Just looking at it practically in terms of the reserve funds that we have in the SDC's,

956
01:31:42,230 --> 01:31:46,370
it's true that there is a large demand across the city for those funds,

957
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:49,510
even though we haven't tapped into them directly and recently,

958
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:54,950
There is a need to have additional SDCs for parks to cover the whole city.

959
01:31:55,930 --> 01:32:01,310
That's not for me to say in terms of policy whether these fees are appropriate or not.

960
01:32:01,630 --> 01:32:05,150
But we're not flush with cash in that area.

961
01:32:05,630 --> 01:32:11,450
And the other thing I wanted to comment on was just that there is another process that we've talked about before

962
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:16,250
which is we can have an area specific SDC and so on and so forth.

963
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:21,290
So I think that speaks to your question about what's the inner tie between this fee and

964
01:32:21,290 --> 01:32:25,090
the park's SDCs and so forth, and I get a sense from the commission of wanting to have

965
01:32:25,090 --> 01:32:26,930
a better understanding of that, and I appreciate that.

966
01:32:27,450 --> 01:32:28,510
I think those are my only comments.

967
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,320
President Trump, Donald, do you have your hand raised?

968
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:33,220
I do.

969
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:38,380
The Commissioner Rachel Lyle Smith.

970
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:44,500
I mean, let's face it, we are trying to attract real businesses, not in the industry,

971
01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:50,360
businesses, so for every acre of a manufacturing facility, we're going to add $40,000 to

972
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:58,160
their cost. It's even built a 4-acre facility. It's $166 million. I don't want to get

973
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:03,780
in the way of attracting jobs to this community. I think the re-evaluation of those SBCs,

974
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:09,120
I think this is a poor substitute for other things that could be done and should be discussed.

975
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,280
Thank you. Mr. Mayor, may I add a comment, please?

976
01:33:16,380 --> 01:33:24,820
I think because of the situation we're in with the economy, I guess I would like to suggest

977
01:33:24,820 --> 01:33:32,040
that maybe we bring this back where we'd look at a area-specific SDC to collect the SDC's

978
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,380
for the Trimble Creek Area and that they stay in the Trimble Creek Area.

979
01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:41,540
I'd rather see that than a new general fee when right now we're not sure people can really

980
01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:52,860
even cover these. I support us getting acquisition for parks in this area because obviously I have a great deal of concern about some of those natural areas being removed.

981
01:33:53,540 --> 01:34:04,680
So is there a way that we could could backtrack a little bit and look at a preliminary amendment to RSDC so any SDCs collected in this area could just go there for parks.

982
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:12,280
Would that be a way, as was suggested, would that be a way to not have this fee?

983
01:34:17,420 --> 01:34:26,160
I can't speak to that particularly because I know there's a larger question about, you know,

984
01:34:26,260 --> 01:34:34,340
when you put aside money specifically for SD streets for an area, but you want to use it for another area

985
01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:36,460
because you have a grant opportunity but you're constrained.

986
01:34:36,460 --> 01:34:45,260
So I know I've heard a lot of times with economists saying be careful when you put all your money in all the lots of different pots that sometimes you lose out on opportunities with grants.

987
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:52,300
One option could be this fee could be this discussion to be continued for another meeting.

988
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:59,840
We do have a reference in the code in the code amendments that there is a fee.

989
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:13,180
If no fee is adopted this evening, the fee is zero. So there could have a larger conversation about what is the right fee or what fee could be adopted. At this time, if the fee isn't adopted, we wouldn't collect any money.

990
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:32,400
So Mr. Farnam. Thank you mayor and city commissioners. I appreciate Mr. McGress suggestion. I thought that was a good one too, but I think that the issue that was raised by Commissioner O'Donnell and some of the other commissioners

991
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:38,000
shares about is a fee appropriate and needed in this area and what impact would that have

992
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,420
on economic development is one thing, whether or not you've collected a fee based on

993
01:35:43,420 --> 01:35:50,030
SDCs or a fee, I think it's probably a little less relevant because one might be more complicated

994
01:35:50,030 --> 01:35:50,610
than the other.

995
01:35:51,370 --> 01:35:56,850
So I guess I just want to say that I wasn't necessarily advocating for areas specific

996
01:35:56,850 --> 01:36:02,490
SDC before answering the question of are those fees appropriate in the area to accomplish

997
01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:03,450
I wish what you want to achieve.

998
01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:22,020
I would just say I'm just not in favor of adding on an additional fee to businesses when we're really concerned and trying to get businesses into that area.

999
01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:25,660
I just would prefer to leave the fee at zero.

1000
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:34,000
I like the idea of the concept of getting more parks in area, but I'm not ready to impose a fee on that areas as well.

1001
01:36:34,380 --> 01:36:36,600
I just, under other circumstances.

1002
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:37,660
Is there a motion?

1003
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:46,870
Mr. Gabizman, may I ask for some advice so that we don't want to adopt it?

1004
01:36:46,990 --> 01:36:53,090
Do we just leave it or do we need to make a motion saying that we don't support adoption of this fee?

1005
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:57,850
You can move table

1006
01:37:00,340 --> 01:37:07,860
it, you can move to deny the resolution, yeah, you can take a number of different actions.

1007
01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:13,760
The question is, in my mind, do you want to put it into this and not have the topic

1008
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,340
come back to you or do you want to continue a discussion?

1009
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:18,620
I think my—

1010
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:19,220
I would

1011
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:26,970
suggest that we table this until January 2021.

1012
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:32,820
Why?

1013
01:37:33,140 --> 01:37:35,120
What's the significance of January 2021?

1014
01:37:36,180 --> 01:37:40,220
I guess, Mr. Mayor, if we were going to table it, I don't want to make it a date certain.

1015
01:37:40,220 --> 01:37:56,140
I think I would like to suggest that if we table that we ask staff to maybe come up with another option that might achieve the same goal without charging an additional fee to people, I'm just I'm not I'm just not comfortable at this time.

1016
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:08,980
The economy was a little different maybe but I just I don't feel comfortable now. I'm implementing this I look I like that I want more parks in that area but I don't want to put more money more fees on people right now.

1017
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:21,440
And the point I was making is that, you know, let's get through this year to figure out what's, you know, there are a lot of things that are going to happen in the next few months.

1018
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:26,840
We table it until 2021, not to take January, just 2021.

1019
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:31,340
Let staff come back to us if they think they still need to have a seat.

1020
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,180
I'm just going to make a motion to table.

1021
01:38:35,180 --> 01:38:40,410
to deny it. I believe it. Motion there's a motion there's a second.

1022
01:38:41,170 --> 01:38:43,970
What was the motion that I made a table? Motion to deny.

1023
01:38:44,610 --> 01:38:47,270
There was a complaint. It was to deny.

1024
01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:53,210
Okay, and Denise Commissioner McGriff also made a motion at the same exact time to

1025
01:38:53,210 --> 01:38:58,950
table it. So if one of the motions acquires a second that would be the motion on

1026
01:38:58,950 --> 01:39:03,730
the table. Motion to table basically takes precedent over a motion to deny.

1027
01:39:03,730 --> 01:39:06,010
If there's a second.

1028
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:07,910
We need a second for anything.

1029
01:39:08,650 --> 01:39:09,150
All second.

1030
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:10,430
Commissioner Donnell's motion.

1031
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:13,230
Second.

1032
01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:14,130
For the discussion.

1033
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:17,770
Is there a second for Commissioner McGriff's motion?

1034
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:18,530
Apparently not.

1035
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:20,530
Too late.

1036
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:21,590
It's on the floor already.

1037
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:22,270
Move and second.

1038
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:22,950
Move on.

1039
01:39:25,310 --> 01:39:25,630
Okay.

1040
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:26,850
All are all please.

1041
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:27,430
Okay.

1042
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:30,790
I verify the question for everyone, please.

1043
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:32,510
Commissioner.

1044
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:33,190
Yes.

1045
01:39:33,190 --> 01:39:33,370
Yes.

1046
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:35,770
This resolution.

1047
01:39:36,910 --> 01:39:45,670
Yeah, it was moved and seconded to deny resolution number 20-05 modification of the planning fee schedule.

1048
01:39:48,260 --> 01:39:49,520
Commissioner Rachel Laosmith.

1049
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:49,920
Aye.

1050
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,060
Commissioner Rocky Smith.

1051
01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:55,520
Commissioner Franco Donald.

1052
01:39:56,740 --> 01:39:57,160
Aye.

1053
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,300
Commissioner Denise McGriff.

1054
01:39:59,640 --> 01:39:59,780
No.

1055
01:40:02,140 --> 01:40:02,740
So,

1056
01:40:05,670 --> 01:40:13,970
before we move on, that I'm not there, does folks in the chamber want to take a 10-minute break?

1057
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:15,390
Five.

1058
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:34,260
Back at 9-10. Okay. I think that's too long. 9-10 is too long. We need a five-minute break. If I may request that. 9 o'clock.

1059
01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:46,600
9 o'clock, 8.58 now, 5.53, 8.53. We can come back at 9, not 9.10. 8 o'clock.

1060
01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:47,100
I

1061
01:41:05,410 --> 01:41:11,050
came to you while I was muted. I'm so sorry. Yes, we are ready now. Can you hear me now?

1062
01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:15,390
I'll call the meeting back to order. What's next?

1063
01:41:15,390 --> 01:41:25,550
So the next agenda item is General Business 7D that is Resolution No. 20-22 to allow temporary

1064
01:41:26,150 --> 01:41:32,090
parklets in the right of way and temporary outdoor dining and retail in private parking

1065
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:32,430
lots.

1066
01:41:33,130 --> 01:41:35,730
And that is Tony Kongle.

1067
01:41:36,630 --> 01:41:37,350
If the

1068
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:47,140
commandable given the time I already and the interest in the water

1069
01:41:47,140 --> 01:41:51,660
work part of discussion, would you be interested in moving that up to this

1070
01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:57,040
then I have now. I'm sorry I couldn't hear what you said to do

1071
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,040
water board park. Oh yeah I'm fine with that.

1072
01:42:04,420 --> 01:42:05,620
Although I can make a motion really

1073
01:42:05,620 --> 01:42:07,160
quick on 7e and get that out of there.

1074
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:11,760
I'm finding your way. Yeah let's move it.

1075
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:25,540
All right, then let's move on. We'll park out and whoever's thinking that one. Let's do it and we'll move on okay. Thank you mayor evening commissioner. So this is the public works upper yard charter park discussion.

1076
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:32,340
Staff is requesting direction from the commission how to proceed with the designation of the public works upper yard as a charter park.

1077
01:42:32,340 --> 01:42:38,040
The commission requested the staff prepare the estimated value of the upper yard tax lot

1078
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,460
1700 in the armory building, which is estimated at $2.45 million.

1079
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,020
A potential boundary of a charter park has been included, which includes the property

1080
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:52,420
lines for the armory building tax lot 1700 and the upper yard, which is tax lot 500.

1081
01:42:53,300 --> 01:42:57,700
The boundary at the upper yard would be approximately 1 to 2 feet behind the cliff edge at the top

1082
01:42:57,700 --> 01:42:58,180
of the bluff.

1083
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,860
To bring forward an ordinance to signate in the upper yard areas of charter, park staff

1084
01:43:02,860 --> 01:43:15,600
The staff has proposed hiring a consultant to complete a lot line adjustment or minor partition of tax law 500 staff has requested direction on the disposition of tax law 1700 in the timing of adopting the armory building tax law as a charter park.

1085
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:29,820
In the staff report I did include our previous commission discussions related to clarifying that the two of their buildings would be demolished as part of this process.

1086
01:43:29,820 --> 01:43:36,020
I would need to advertise that process for anybody who would like to take those buildings,

1087
01:43:36,020 --> 01:43:40,020
we would enter into a contract for that demolition. So we'd have to do the RFP for that,

1088
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:49,140
that we would document the two buildings and archive that information appropriately.

1089
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:58,400
The one outstanding item was tax law 1700 just a reminder that some of these properties were

1090
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,460
a purchase with utility funds tax lot 1700, which is on the upper yard.

1091
01:44:02,460 --> 01:44:16,120
It was the small tax lot that used to be a single family house was purchased with utility funds that if that's going to be made into a park, it would be appropriate for the utility funds to be repaid for the value of that property.

1092
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,320
The estimate is an estimate.

1093
01:44:20,700 --> 01:44:26,800
So I received a broker's opinion of value.

1094
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:34,820
So, this is not an appraisal and it included assumptions for demolition costs, infrastructures.

1095
01:44:34,820 --> 01:44:39,100
This is really just to give us a ballpark of when we're talking about one of the questions

1096
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:45,980
was what would be the value of this property when we're thinking about making it into a park

1097
01:44:45,980 --> 01:44:48,560
or not if it was my understanding of that question.

1098
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:54,220
So, once again, this is an estimate, we did not do engineering, it's basalt up there, but

1099
01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:59,780
but it does get a general ballpark of what that value would look like and then.

1100
01:45:00,820 --> 01:45:27,940
And then really, we had a discussion about the armory building has been demolished at this point. We need to engage them about when that transfer of property back to the city, which was the reversionary clause when it was sold to the Army that it would revert back if it stopped using an armory. And how do we want to work that timing and potentially it could be a new issue.

1101
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:36,180
If it by the time we get done with a partition or a lot line adjustment demolish the buildings we may have ownership at that point

1102
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:38,420
But really it was a timing issue

1103
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:42,400
We didn't know when that demolition was going to be completed when we had our last discussion

1104
01:45:44,900 --> 01:45:50,260
So we've had several conversations on this property. I'd be happy to try and answer any questions

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01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,380
That the commission may have

1106
01:45:52,380 --> 01:46:01,010
I may ask a question. Please we don't have we don't have we don't have errors. Yes, sir.

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01:46:01,150 --> 01:46:07,570
Mr. Yes, sir. Is there any? Is there any public comment? There is public comment. Yes.

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01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:13,950
Would you like to begin with that? How many do we have? We have two. How many do you have? Two.

1109
01:46:14,990 --> 01:46:17,690
I have a question. Mr. Mayor.

1110
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:25,110
Yes, Mr. Mr. Conkel. I did note that in the I'm holding up

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01:46:25,110 --> 01:46:31,550
the colored map that there was a portion that was left off and I will hand this to you so

1112
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:37,290
do you see my highlighted yellow that is at the top of the bluff that was somehow excluded

1113
01:46:38,650 --> 01:46:43,510
and you see I don't know if you can see it I highlighted in yellow it's a little squiggly

1114
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:47,050
line around that piece that's still that's on that's up on the top.

1115
01:46:52,730 --> 01:47:00,630
I don't know. I haven't seen Mr. Buss's submittal. Look at Jesse Buss's public comment. It's on your

1116
01:47:00,630 --> 01:47:02,630
diet. Yeah, the computer.

1117
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:10,780
No, it's part of the yard. It just got left off of your blue line there.

1118
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Follows the cliff. Yeah.

1119
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,300
I think that's in Jesse Buss. Oh, okay. Yeah, I haven't seen that.

1120
01:47:20,300 --> 01:47:24,260
Yeah, but I'll flip over and look at it because I did not see that.

1121
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:37,950
The comment where they asked the, I think it was Mary and the last to have this comment

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01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:38,950
read in the records.

1123
01:47:39,150 --> 01:47:39,810
Is there another one?

1124
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:40,570
I'll find that.

1125
01:47:42,660 --> 01:47:43,400
Oh, I'm sorry.

1126
01:47:43,660 --> 01:47:46,160
I missed the reading.

1127
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,740
You said that you saw Doug Neely asked his to be read into the record.

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01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:52,440
Yes.

1129
01:47:52,940 --> 01:47:57,700
I don't recall if any others asked that, but I did want to mention that there were

1130
01:47:57,700 --> 01:48:01,040
for several submittals for this agenda item.

1131
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:07,600
I understand that, but the mayor asked that his letter be

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01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,000
right in the record asking to do that now.

1133
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:11,280
I got a kick.

1134
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:11,880
Okay, thanks.

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01:48:12,180 --> 01:48:14,720
To the City of Oregon City,

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01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:15,960
City of Commission, Doug Neely,

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01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,940
Oregon City resident and Prach member designation

1138
01:48:17,940 --> 01:48:21,800
of Public Works Upper Yard as a park agenda item 7G,

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01:48:22,620 --> 01:48:26,220
City of Oregon City Commission meeting of June 30th, 2020.

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01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:40,500
In a previous discussion about the recommendation from Pat to have the public works up a yard designated as a park the concern was raised about the estimated 22 to 24 million dollars projected needs for parks and recreation not covered under current funding.

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01:48:40,980 --> 01:48:45,800
That figure was presented to a joint meeting of the city commission in the park approximately two years ago.

1142
01:48:46,380 --> 01:48:56,180
While the park was aware of substantial deferred maintenance, it had not heard of the estimated cost until that meeting nor is a list of what would be covered under the additional funding been presented to park.

1143
01:48:56,180 --> 01:49:06,340
I agree that this cost is a major issue and it should be this should be a future topic of discussion at Prach followed by another joint meeting between Prach and the City Commission.

1144
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,880
However, this funding issue should not be the basis of rejecting the upper yard designation.

1145
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:20,620
In the time that I've lived in Oregon City, there have been several city park acquisitions that have had several years of delay between the times of acquisition and times of the planning of those parks.

1146
01:49:20,620 --> 01:49:26,220
among them are Wesley Linden Park, Tyrone S Woods Park, which has just had its groundbreaking

1147
01:49:26,220 --> 01:49:30,360
event in a park currently referred to as Filbert Run for which a planning grant is being sought.

1148
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:35,240
I suggest that the City Commission indicated support of a park designation of public works

1149
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:40,620
upper yard and defer the decision of transfer or purchase of the land until a later time followed

1150
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:45,460
by community input as it is planned to use.

1151
01:49:49,010 --> 01:49:50,110
That completes the letter.

1152
01:49:50,110 --> 01:49:55,340
Thank you, so let's take the other public comment.

1153
01:49:57,290 --> 01:49:59,970
So the first one is Jesse Bus and

1154
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:10,400
And he is on via phone. So I will go ahead and unmute his phone now if he could begin by stating his first and last name and city of residency for the record. And he has up to three minutes.

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01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:32,200
Hello, this is Jesse bus. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Go ahead. Thank you. I'm a resident of Oregon city. You all know my position on this proposal. I support it. And I'm personally thrilled that the commission appears to be on the brink of making history.

1156
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:37,740
by permanently protecting these additional five acres as parkland, but it's not just me.

1157
01:50:38,780 --> 01:50:42,280
The groundswell of public support for this proposal has been impressive.

1158
01:50:43,380 --> 01:50:46,040
The last time the Commission discussed these charter park protections,

1159
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,360
the Commission received nearly 50 comments from citizens throughout Oregon City.

1160
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:55,160
Those people use and value water board park, including these five acres.

1161
01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:01,100
Going back further, and just the past few years, hundreds of residents have commented

1162
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:06,820
in participated in efforts to protect this land for open space and recreation, the community

1163
01:51:06,820 --> 01:51:12,280
cares deeply about this land. But the events of the past five years aren't what make this

1164
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:17,820
a historic moment. This is a historic moment because you have the opportunity to stop,

1165
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:24,500
once and for all, a cycle that has repeated itself multiple times over the past 110 years.

1166
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:30,740
In that time, it's been a push-pull situation over and over again. Is it a park?

1167
01:51:30,740 --> 01:51:38,260
is it not a park for the city to sell the land to private developers or should it be recreational space we are caught in a cycle

1168
01:51:38,820 --> 01:51:43,200
During World War one the water board got close to selling the land for private development

1169
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:52,860
But after a public outcry the city commission instructed the water board to keep the land as a park and the following years the land continued to be improved and used as a park

1170
01:51:53,540 --> 01:51:59,460
Then again in the World War two and post-World War two years this area was developed with non-park buildings

1171
01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:02,440
and the recreational vision for the site got off track.

1172
01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:06,700
So then again, in the 1950s, the public demanded the land

1173
01:52:06,700 --> 01:52:08,760
to be, quote, reclaimed as park land,

1174
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,500
and the Planning Commission and City Commission approved

1175
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:13,300
a park's master plan for these acres.

1176
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:15,600
From lack of funding though,

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01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,160
the master plan was never built out.

1178
01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:21,050
The equipment of the public works department started,

1179
01:52:21,470 --> 01:52:23,110
and you already know that history well.

1180
01:52:23,970 --> 01:52:26,890
But my point is that we've been in a push-pull cycle

1181
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:28,890
on this property for 110 years,

1182
01:52:28,890 --> 01:52:32,010
and you now have a chance to stop that cycle for good.

1183
01:52:32,630 --> 01:52:35,090
If he doesn't make this land his charter park land,

1184
01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:38,510
never again will the citizens have to reclaim this land

1185
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:39,330
for park use.

1186
01:52:40,270 --> 01:52:41,530
It will stay that way forever.

1187
01:52:42,670 --> 01:52:46,110
To honor her 1917 efforts to preserve Waterboard Park,

1188
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:48,850
I will quote Mrs. J.W. Norris,

1189
01:52:49,410 --> 01:52:51,110
a member of the Oregon City Women's Club.

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01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,180
Commission meeting just like this one in 1917,

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01:52:57,480 --> 01:52:58,680
Mrs. Norris asked the simple,

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01:52:58,680 --> 01:52:58,680
So

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01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:06,220
why do we have to beg and beg for a thing of which we may well be proud and

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01:53:08,660 --> 01:53:08,960
preserve

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01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,760
these five acres as permanent parkland.

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01:53:11,140 --> 01:53:11,800
Thank you.

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01:53:18,460 --> 01:53:19,860
Next is Cameron McCready.

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01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:33,930
Mr. Mayor, commissioners, thank you for allowing me the five minutes offered as Chair of the

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Malafan Neighbor Association.

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01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:40,670
Rather than try and bring people here to testify, I thought we'd bring you to them so we

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01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:42,370
prepared a five-minute video for you.

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01:53:42,610 --> 01:53:42,950
Let's

1203
01:54:05,190 --> 01:54:05,890
take a second.

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01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:06,750
Bottom and bottom.

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01:54:07,170 --> 01:54:07,690
Yes, three.

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01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:08,490
In

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01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,940
10, the Board of Water purchased this land

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01:54:23,940 --> 01:54:26,640
for the purpose of building an enormous reservoir

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01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:27,740
in city park.

1210
01:54:28,460 --> 01:54:30,220
The plans for the reservoir change,

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01:54:30,220 --> 01:54:33,180
and instead the water board called the land

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01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:35,320
is 13 and a half acre park,

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01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:39,440
set aside for park purposes for the use and benefit

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01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,280
of the youth of Oregon City.

1215
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:45,070
Hi, I'm Mike Mitchell and I'm a resident

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01:54:45,070 --> 01:54:46,190
of the Coffield neighborhood.

1217
01:54:46,190 --> 01:54:52,010
But I encourage your support of the resolution to designate the upper yard portion of the public

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01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:54,590
works yard as part of Water Board Park.

1219
01:54:55,150 --> 01:54:59,170
I voted for that two years ago as a member of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee.

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01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:59,930
I supported it.

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01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,860
And I support it now. We just have so few opportunities to add parkland that will need in the future for our city. Hi, my name is Jackie Heman Williams and I've lived in the Oregon city. Pop place neighborhood for 30 years and the founder of the Oregon city farmers market. And I really would like to see the city of Oregon city give charter protection to lower water board path. It's a unique and marvelous area and I can see it would be a great place to have community gardens.

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01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:32,120
and be a community gathering space.

1223
01:55:32,700 --> 01:55:37,540
A 1921 improving water board park was part of the official city budget.

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01:55:38,380 --> 01:55:43,720
And in 1931, the city was employing five people to improve and maintain the park.

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01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:46,600
Hello, I'm Ed Linquist.

1226
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:51,040
I'm an Oregon City resident that lives next to water board park on the upper side.

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01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:55,480
I'm concerned about the park and where it goes and what happens to it.

1228
01:55:55,480 --> 01:56:05,260
Because once it's gone, I can tell you, after having been a county commissioner for 14 years and doing whatever we could to preserve grounds for parks, that's a diamond in the rough.

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01:56:06,220 --> 01:56:12,820
So if that upper yard could be added to the park, I think it would be a very positive thing for the parks of Oregon City.

1230
01:56:14,980 --> 01:56:22,200
In 1935, the city commissioned a survey of the boundaries of Water Board Park, which was recorded with the county.

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01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:29,760
In 1939 City Manager J.L. Frans and described Water Board Park as one of the only large

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01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,360
parks owned by the city.

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01:56:33,670 --> 01:56:36,330
Roger Feller-Ties, president of the Oregon

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01:56:36,330 --> 01:56:40,850
City Parks Foundation, a stakeholder here in Water Board Park. On behalf of our membership,

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01:56:41,250 --> 01:56:47,490
we fully support adding Lower Water Board, also known as the Upper Yard, into the Water

1236
01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:51,270
Board Park boundaries. I'm Doug Neely. I'm a resident of the West

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01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:57,390
Farm's neighborhood. I'm the former Mayor of Oregon City and I'm currently serving on the Parks and

1238
01:56:57,390 --> 01:57:04,190
Park Creation Advisory Committee. Two years ago, that committee voted to recommend to the City Commission

1239
01:57:04,190 --> 01:57:11,670
that the F.R.Y.R. to the what public works be included as part of Water Board Park. This year, earlier,

1240
01:57:12,190 --> 01:57:19,150
we went ahead and reaffirmed that effort. Although brush was cleared and graded for a double tennis court,

1241
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:21,990
and ground selected for a possible ball diamond.

1242
01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:25,690
The project was put on hold due to the war effort.

1243
01:57:27,010 --> 01:57:28,910
Hi, my name is Sarah Kramer,

1244
01:57:29,310 --> 01:57:31,570
and I am a teacher at Gardner Middle School.

1245
01:57:32,290 --> 01:57:34,590
I believe that the lower part of Waterboard Park

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01:57:34,590 --> 01:57:36,830
should be officially recognized as Park Space.

1247
01:57:37,610 --> 01:57:40,110
Our park lands are essential for all of us,

1248
01:57:40,110 --> 01:57:43,390
especially children, for all of our health and well-being.

1249
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:47,010
Hi, I'm Jerry Herman, president of Rivers of Life Center,

1250
01:57:47,010 --> 01:57:49,790
the youth education and training organization.

1251
01:57:50,190 --> 01:57:56,490
Waterport Park and the flat below are two seamless elements of what to be Oregon's geologic

1252
01:57:57,010 --> 01:57:58,070
significant park.

1253
01:57:58,430 --> 01:58:00,330
The lands were scoured by Asage Woods.

1254
01:58:00,690 --> 01:58:02,850
It's time to tell the story at one site.

1255
01:58:04,170 --> 01:58:08,250
After World War II, the city resumed efforts to develop the park.

1256
01:58:08,670 --> 01:58:15,710
This resulted in a 1952 master plan, which included tennis courts, outdoor theater,

1257
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:20,650
Recreation center, picnic areas, open spaces, and parking.

1258
01:58:21,370 --> 01:58:25,930
Technology in the world were two related buildings have been built on the flat area of the park.

1259
01:58:26,610 --> 01:58:34,530
The 1952 plan declared that every effort should be made to clear the lower flat ground at the end of John Adams Street

1260
01:58:34,530 --> 01:58:43,190
so that the several acres of central park area may be reclaimed and put the vital permanent use as park and recreation center.

1261
01:58:44,270 --> 01:58:52,370
Here and now, much like in 1952, the community is ready to reclaim the lower area of Water Board Park.

1262
01:58:59,900 --> 01:59:04,020
Alice Norris, former Mayor of Oregon City. Parks are important to our growing community.

1263
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:10,040
So let's preserve Water Board Park and especially that lower area and get those boundaries secured in the charter.

1264
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:39,700
We have Betty Mom.

1265
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:41,240
Oh.

1266
01:59:41,740 --> 01:59:43,140
Sorry, there was one late coming.

1267
01:59:43,140 --> 01:59:43,780
Thank you, Mr. Mom.

1268
01:59:45,140 --> 01:59:45,320
Good.

1269
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,040
Oh, Betty Mom, Oregon City.

1270
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,300
My disclaimer is I live with the mayor.

1271
01:59:52,580 --> 01:59:53,620
He does not speak for me.

1272
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:54,820
I do not speak for him.

1273
01:59:55,940 --> 01:59:58,300
My words are my words, and here they are.

1274
01:59:58,840 --> 01:59:59,700
A little history.

1275
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,760
On this area, in 2008 or might have been 2009, the public works director at the time, Nancy

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02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:18,500
Kreshauer was tasked with the, to put the site, the current, that site into the public

1277
02:00:18,500 --> 02:00:26,580
works facility. At that time, the McLaughlin neighborhood association filled the room and

1278
02:00:26,580 --> 02:00:29,180
and made noise about suing the city.

1279
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:32,520
So yes, it's been talked about for 10 or 12 years.

1280
02:00:33,700 --> 02:00:45,660
At your last meeting, I heard some comments about, we don't have enough parks, we need flat land that's been before practice twice.

1281
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:50,800
Well, I can't think of any neighborhood that doesn't have, or

1282
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,880
doesn't want more park space, look at park place.

1283
02:00:53,880 --> 02:01:00,180
they have just one city park. Yes, it's been before practice twice and of course they want it

1284
02:01:00,180 --> 02:01:07,000
to be a park. But we the citizens have not had an opportunity to discuss what the lay-on could be

1285
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:15,680
used for because it's been available for about a year, year to half since it was no longer considered

1286
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:23,400
part of public works. So then at your last meeting I heard comments about money as it relevant

1287
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:39,280
Regardless of value, so those comments concerned me so my comment to you is maybe the value or the money does not matter to me or to you or to some of you, but it's extremely important to me.

1288
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:51,580
And when you're talking about public money, you have to have all the facts presented to you so you could make an informed decision on what to do.

1289
02:01:51,580 --> 02:01:54,520
So the more information you have, the better.

1290
02:01:55,660 --> 02:01:58,380
Then came the comment about the lawsuits.

1291
02:01:59,260 --> 02:02:02,180
The McLaughlin neighborhood is not known for,

1292
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:06,740
the McLaughlin neighborhood association is not known for compromising.

1293
02:02:07,380 --> 02:02:08,260
And why should they?

1294
02:02:08,620 --> 02:02:11,040
If I was in their shoes, maybe I wouldn't either.

1295
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:17,240
Just a quick reminder that it takes three votes to move anything forward, including a lawsuit.

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02:02:18,260 --> 02:02:31,600
then it came to regardless of what anybody at the city says, the citizens, including the majority of the commission want the upper yard to be a part because they've always considered it to be a part.

1297
02:02:32,540 --> 02:02:38,460
Well, that concerns me because if you don't follow these laws, then are there other laws that you're not following?

1298
02:02:39,580 --> 02:02:47,560
So just a general comment is you have to pay back the utility funds because of the purchase

1299
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:48,100
of the house.

1300
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:54,060
So is that coming out of general funds, public works or park funds?

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02:02:54,750 --> 02:03:00,460
We already have a $25 million deficit in park funds maintenance.

1302
02:03:01,460 --> 02:03:10,320
So my advice, my suggestion is maybe you can put it to an advisory vote and see what the citizens want.

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02:03:10,940 --> 02:03:11,280
Thank you.

1304
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:15,500
Thank you.

1305
02:03:18,530 --> 02:03:20,270
Nope, there's no one else.

1306
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:33,240
For everything that's been said, I've pondered it at length.

1307
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:38,600
If I were to make a motion, it would have a number of caveats to it.

1308
02:03:38,860 --> 02:03:43,400
It would simply say that upon the completion of the lot line adjustment,

1309
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:46,300
upon the removal of the air buildings,

1310
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:50,000
upon the reversion of the armory property,

1311
02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:54,240
and in deference to former mayor Doug Mealy

1312
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:56,620
and other statements made upon completion,

1313
02:03:57,580 --> 02:03:58,880
and review of public opinion,

1314
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:02,560
whether that be an advisory voter or some other methodology,

1315
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:06,340
I would move that at the upper yard

1316
02:04:07,540 --> 02:04:10,640
and designate the upper yard as part of the water board park.

1317
02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:11,960
That would be my comment,

1318
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:14,220
if I'm called upon to make it.

1319
02:04:14,620 --> 02:04:16,260
Thank you, sir commissioner Smith.

1320
02:04:19,540 --> 02:04:20,780
A couple things here.

1321
02:04:21,620 --> 02:04:25,320
I've been pretty vocal on this subject for a long time.

1322
02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:29,200
In fact, I think I've at least once or twice made the motion to make this a part.

1323
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:33,360
So we're getting their citizens, we're getting there.

1324
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:43,500
I will say that one of the things that I want to find out more about is the map.

1325
02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:48,010
some of the Commissioner Donald's questions or points.

1326
02:04:49,130 --> 02:04:52,830
The math that was sent to us that Commissioner McGriff

1327
02:04:52,830 --> 02:04:54,930
kind of pointed out to a missing piece

1328
02:04:54,930 --> 02:04:59,330
and Jesse Buss also in his email to us pointed out

1329
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:12,080
There is a piece that is on the upper part of, above the lower part. Now, it's above the public work site. There's a little

1330
02:05:21,970 --> 02:05:33,670
piece, I think, is crucial to being added in. It is above the cliff. And it should be part of that map that we show with the blue dotted line.

1331
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:41,970
be it reason that that's so important and then I'll also talk about the House. I believe

1332
02:05:41,970 --> 02:05:47,930
the House that we're talking about is the one Arc 306 and the map in

1333
02:05:55,770 --> 02:05:56,850
there for public works

1334
02:05:56,850 --> 02:06:02,590
or make it easier around that corner. I understand that if that

1335
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:09,740
we might have to reimburse that.

1336
02:06:09,740 --> 02:06:18,120
My question would be or my consideration that we should talk about is this, if we are moving towards

1337
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:28,440
making the both what, 1700 and 500, both part of the park, then we need to add that one piece

1338
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:36,040
that's missing and we need to then have a discussion about the house. I would argue that

1339
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:42,880
But that house is just an important to the access of the park as it would be to the

1340
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:47,420
access of the public works site that we had originally planned there, and that's because

1341
02:06:47,420 --> 02:06:54,500
that adds a wider part of that property to a connection to South Center Street.

1342
02:06:55,140 --> 02:07:00,760
We have now got sidewalks for the first time on South Center Street that allow a connection

1343
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:14,280
to the promenade, which means that those two pieces that knob that was not in the city map and the house would widen that connection to sell center street.

1344
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:25,930
That would allow for at to the museum and the promenade to waterboard park and the current upper waterboard park.

1345
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:33,710
So I think we should consider that in this conversation.

1346
02:07:33,970 --> 02:07:43,750
I believe that it's in our best interest to have both lots with that additional note that's missing and the house as a part.

1347
02:07:50,720 --> 02:07:51,360
Thank you, Mayor.

1348
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:59,780
So I don't believe Mr. Conkel, you're bringing the house subject forward tonight for discussion.

1349
02:07:59,780 --> 02:08:03,240
That was, no, I did not, I think.

1350
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:08,640
So just to clarify, Commissioner Smith, that was my air on the blue line.

1351
02:08:09,460 --> 02:08:15,980
It should have followed the cliff line around the corner to the piece that we're talking about at

1352
02:08:15,980 --> 02:08:18,600
the center street, so that was my mapping air, when I put that together.

1353
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:24,580
The house piece that I'm talking about is tax lot 1700.

1354
02:08:24,580 --> 02:08:34,480
100. That's it's right off of first street. First street. It was demolished.

1355
02:08:37,940 --> 02:08:38,720
That's the one

1356
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:44,700
that I'm talking about. That was purchased by the utility funds and in my understanding was,

1357
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:48,600
you know, we wanted to look at it, you know, is there another way to access it off first street

1358
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,440
because of topography, there's not.

1359
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:53,780
The house that you're talking about, Commissioner Smith,

1360
02:08:54,420 --> 02:08:56,460
I think that there's probably more discussion

1361
02:08:56,460 --> 02:08:57,940
because I understand you're concerned.

1362
02:08:58,140 --> 02:09:01,040
It's the same concern we had for vehicular access

1363
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,060
when you right go up that road.

1364
02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:05,000
Should we do a lot of my,

1365
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:08,720
should we do a lot of my job?

1366
02:09:09,260 --> 02:09:10,240
Sorry, sorry, go ahead.

1367
02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:10,640
I'll stop.

1368
02:09:11,140 --> 02:09:12,420
Why don't it time, please,

1369
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:16,160
Mr. Cogel?

1370
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:20,060
Okay, so the house I think is another

1371
02:09:20,060 --> 02:09:23,460
discussion whether we should do a little bit of a lot, I mean, there's significant

1372
02:09:23,460 --> 02:09:30,020
topography challenges there, even doing a lot line with the house of retaining walls

1373
02:09:30,020 --> 02:09:34,940
being needed in order to move that road over to make it a little bit wider, but that is

1374
02:09:34,940 --> 02:09:39,100
the only access because of the cliff face along South Center.

1375
02:09:39,260 --> 02:09:46,200
There is no other realistic vehicular access there, but that house was also bought with utility

1376
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:54,180
funds and I think the appraisal handed up around $5.25. I can look exactly, but I guess I just

1377
02:09:54,180 --> 02:09:59,960
like to understand if the commission really wants to include the house as part of the part of the

1378
02:10:06,180 --> 02:10:29,980
Okay. So, for where I'm willing to go tonight, I think that that house at the one that Commissioner Smith is talking about is kind of a separate conversation of what to do with it. I think we can move forward with all the other other other items. My question is how much are the utility funds for tax lot 1700 that we need to reimburse and we're going to be able to do that.

1379
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:31,140
Where are those funds coming from?

1380
02:10:34,220 --> 02:10:41,920
I'm sorry, I was just looking for the purchase price in 19, I'm sorry, the public works

1381
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:50,720
department in January of 18, 2006, the commission approved the purchase of that property at $154,000

1382
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:57,240
plus $1350,000 miscellaneous closing costs, so it was a total of $155,350.

1383
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:06,980
50. You know I do need to talk to Bill a little bit if do we do we do we apply 14 years

1384
02:11:06,980 --> 02:11:11,680
of inflation you know we use the current value. It's not a bill a lot.

1385
02:11:13,640 --> 02:11:18,640
Understood and you know there may be that it's actually the appraised value or is it reimbursement

1386
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:22,860
and there are a variety of different ways that could be done and that's something we haven't

1387
02:11:22,860 --> 02:11:27,220
looked at. So we're not sure of the funds where they would how much it would be and

1388
02:11:27,220 --> 02:11:29,320
and where those funds are coming forward

1389
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:30,620
to include this life.

1390
02:11:30,740 --> 02:11:33,260
And we purchased it, it had a house on it.

1391
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:33,900
Right, right.

1392
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:35,460
And we've demolished the house.

1393
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:39,260
So obviously the appraised value is gonna be less

1394
02:11:39,260 --> 02:11:40,820
cause it would just be raw land

1395
02:11:40,820 --> 02:11:42,800
with access issues potentially.

1396
02:11:43,380 --> 02:11:43,460
Right.

1397
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:46,440
But I'm imagining it's somewhere in that,

1398
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:48,740
you know, in a minimum, reimbursing,

1399
02:11:48,840 --> 02:11:51,880
what was paid for from the utility at a minimum.

1400
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:54,900
And then where it would come from,

1401
02:12:00,500 --> 02:12:06,860
We have lots of requests for general fund expenditures these days, so it needs to come into the equation.

1402
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:17,160
I'm supportive of it, so you have a list of items in your staff report where you're asking for direction, so I can tell you where I'm at on this.

1403
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:23,960
I support that tax lot 1700, assuming we can work out the utility funds and

1404
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:30,000
where that, how that's going to be reimbursed to the utility fund.

1405
02:12:30,220 --> 02:12:34,580
So I would love, I think that tax lot should go into the charter park.

1406
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:37,280
Tax lot 400 is the armory building.

1407
02:12:37,620 --> 02:12:40,660
I think that tax lot should go into the charter park.

1408
02:12:42,260 --> 02:12:45,620
I'm concerned about the order of things, so I want to make sure we deal with the

1409
02:12:45,620 --> 02:12:56,660
a dare buildings and make sure we get that correct, but in order to do that, I think the next step is to work on the tax line, tax line adjustment.

1410
02:12:57,980 --> 02:13:08,320
And so I'm supportive of Mr. Buses drawing, which is similar to yours just missing that one piece down on South Center Street.

1411
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:20,160
I will say, when I talked to John Lewis, I went out and did another tour of this site.

1412
02:13:21,300 --> 02:13:29,120
Tony, you and I and John Lewis went out, because I wanted to re-walk it, re-talk about all the buildings that were there.

1413
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:35,340
where you know, refresh my memory of all the intricacies of the property.

1414
02:13:38,020 --> 02:13:44,380
And part of what we've been dealing with from public works since John Lewis isn't here

1415
02:13:44,380 --> 02:13:44,680
tonight.

1416
02:13:44,860 --> 02:13:50,320
I'll say, we haven't quite figured out where all of that stuff is going to go.

1417
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:57,040
There is stuff on that property that is actively being used, yes, it is cleaned up, it has

1418
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:02,820
a variety of uses. One of the compromises that, you know, we were all standing around kind

1419
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:09,500
of brainstorming what we could do with this property. I do like the one thing that is part

1420
02:14:09,500 --> 02:14:13,180
of this whole first street and moving up to first street and all of that conversation

1421
02:14:13,180 --> 02:14:20,840
is this merging of our parks department and public works. And we haven't yet figured out where all

1422
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:26,060
of the parks equipment is going to go yet. And I know that this commission has had several conversations

1423
02:14:26,060 --> 02:14:32,380
about that. So I will say, and I just want to be very transparent with everybody that one of the solutions

1424
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:38,840
that we kind of talked about, I don't remember who mentioned it, but I thought it was a great idea was that if this does become

1425
02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:41,480
park property, like we're talking about,

1426
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:49,960
it could perhaps solve some of our facility issues of putting parks equipment on a park property because that is allowed.

1427
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:53,820
Parks could use some of that building or store equipment there.

1428
02:14:54,860 --> 02:14:59,960
If we want to move this forward without solving all of our other issues, that's the

1429
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
The only way I can get there because we have other issues that we're trying to solve. And they're not solved yet. And so we're trying to move this forward and support the community. Just know that we could swap out some of that public work stuff and it could become a storage area for some park stuff because, like I said, we haven't resolved all of that. And that is within the allowable uses of park property. And so with that, I will say, you know, obviously, I just want to be transparent about that.

1430
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:34,360
that and that we have other issues that haven't been solved yet but we are trying to move

1431
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:39,000
this forward and we want to move it forward so that could be an interim solution and a

1432
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:39,680
good compromise.

1433
02:15:42,120 --> 02:15:45,420
That is where I'm at and I'm willing to make a motion on that.

1434
02:15:46,780 --> 02:15:54,000
Mr. O'Donnell, there's some clarification that I'm not talking about a lot of 1700, I understand

1435
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:59,920
that the access that comes in off of South End Road past the house that we own.

1436
02:16:00,540 --> 02:16:05,080
Are we going to have to do a lot of line adjustment or partition off that road so that

1437
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:07,500
becomes part of the park for future access?

1438
02:16:10,460 --> 02:16:14,620
I think that the question is, well, it's

1439
02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:25,400
the road and is primarily within a right of way, but it's very, very narrow around that 90 degree

1440
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:33,380
return because so we would have to do some work to look at what can we, is there anything

1441
02:16:33,380 --> 02:16:39,200
that we can do with that house to get us some additional property and still meet zoning

1442
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:46,260
requirements for a lot size to allow some additional space. I would not recommend making

1443
02:16:46,260 --> 02:16:50,780
it part of the park. It would realistically, it would probably be more appropriate as right

1444
02:16:50,780 --> 02:16:54,540
of way. I would like to say something, Mr. Mayor, please.

1445
02:16:56,020 --> 02:16:56,820
Commissioner Smith.

1446
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:06,360
If the Commissioner McGriff wants to go first, that's fine. I just,

1447
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:12,300
I had my hand up. It's a long thing what Mr. Conkel was saying about the access.

1448
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:19,720
Okay. So just real quickly, the one issue with that access is that they were looking at widening

1449
02:17:19,720 --> 02:17:25,400
it so that there could be truck access up there. I don't know if we need to have access for trucks,

1450
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:32,140
if it's going to be used as a park, people could access it by vehicle from the other direction,

1451
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:35,500
and that could be a pedestrian-only access way to walk up there.

1452
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:42,400
There's certainly. Yeah. And that way that retaining wall is literally right on the edge,

1453
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:46,840
and there is really no way to move it. I knew the former residents and spent quite a bit of time

1454
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:52,360
up there, and we stood there many a day looking at that, and it was when the public works trucks came

1455
02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:56,960
up there that they almost hit the wall every time but that wall cannot be moved.

1456
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:00,680
It is there's nothing else holding it up except that right.

1457
02:18:00,820 --> 02:18:04,720
So I think trying to widen it or do anything else to provide you can get up there with

1458
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:06,160
I mean I can get up there with my Subaru.

1459
02:18:06,940 --> 02:18:11,520
If you had something bigger than that there's no you can't really do it and make the turn.

1460
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:15,360
So I would not want to suggest that we do any lot line adjustment because like you said

1461
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:21,920
it is right away we do already own it and future park planning for that could look at that

1462
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:28,680
But I would not recommend knowing what I know about the geotech in that area. I would not recommend us even touching that

1463
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:34,440
We'd be asking for more harm than good. I'm

1464
02:18:38,470 --> 02:18:39,290
okay. Maybe to

1465
02:18:44,470 --> 02:18:45,890
say is I

1466
02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:48,600
is

1467
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:57,080
Jesse's still on the phone or Cameron or Commissioner McGriff might have the answer to this question too

1468
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:02,020
One of the comments made was that

1469
02:19:03,220 --> 02:19:08,100
Kind of implies that McLaughlin neighborhood doesn't compromise. They sure do

1470
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:10,460
And they sure do a lot.

1471
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:14,220
In fact, I believe that the Glouffle neighborhood

1472
02:19:14,220 --> 02:19:19,060
is pretty dang patient, if I might add,

1473
02:19:19,240 --> 02:19:21,880
on all of these on this specific topic.

1474
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:26,560
One concession that they've already made, I believe,

1475
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:30,120
was the whole conversation about the adair buildings.

1476
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:35,180
Now, we did get an email from Jim Nassita

1477
02:19:35,180 --> 02:19:38,040
asking about the adair buildings, but my memories

1478
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:43,780
was that we kind of had a discussion about those

1479
02:19:43,780 --> 02:19:47,420
that there would be reuse of the buildings

1480
02:19:47,420 --> 02:19:50,120
and there would be a process to go through

1481
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:52,620
before the buildings were torn down essentially.

1482
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:56,140
And that's the neighborhood association

1483
02:19:56,140 --> 02:19:59,240
kind of gave the blessing to that.

1484
02:20:00,110 --> 02:20:30,030
You know, kind of as a gesture to move forward to making this a part. That's my, that's my recollection. Is that accurate? I guess just to, I guess just to clarify process is that the process would be we would advertise that anybody who would like to take them. So not a land use process more of a notification process. These are available while we've got the RFP out looking for the demolition contract.

1485
02:20:30,030 --> 02:20:33,310
factor, should no one agree to come take the buildings.

1486
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:37,850
Then if that happens, the time passes of when they were available.

1487
02:20:38,170 --> 02:20:40,470
We would move forward with the demolition of the buildings.

1488
02:20:40,750 --> 02:20:42,890
Prior to that, we would document the buildings.

1489
02:20:43,870 --> 02:20:47,130
That's the process that I'm talking about.

1490
02:20:47,930 --> 02:20:50,030
Mr. Conkel, just as a point of order.

1491
02:20:50,650 --> 02:20:57,210
So if the buildings are demolished, can we put in the ad that it's deconstruction?

1492
02:20:57,370 --> 02:20:59,150
I already know some people who've talked to me already.

1493
02:20:59,150 --> 02:21:01,950
they want some parts of it, but they're not demolition contractors.

1494
02:21:02,530 --> 02:21:05,610
They would like some pieces off of it and if we had a contractor who would be willing

1495
02:21:05,610 --> 02:21:09,670
to take those pieces off and people take it away, that would be another issue.

1496
02:21:11,230 --> 02:21:11,970
Commissioner Gritz?

1497
02:21:14,820 --> 02:21:15,720
I think she already went.

1498
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:17,480
We can certainly talk.

1499
02:21:18,740 --> 02:21:22,620
It's additional expense for the buildings.

1500
02:21:23,140 --> 02:21:24,460
That wouldn't get crunched in the room.

1501
02:21:24,460 --> 02:21:25,200
Commissioner Gritz?

1502
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:25,920
Yes, sir.

1503
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:26,540
I

1504
02:21:28,620 --> 02:21:37,020
know that a dare foundation has said they would like to have some pieces of the buildings

1505
02:21:37,020 --> 02:21:38,300
if they came down.

1506
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:42,420
I think they were talking about roof struts and some other things.

1507
02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:49,500
Certainly, I would be supportive of that kind of thing, you know, rejuvenation, house

1508
02:21:49,500 --> 02:21:55,280
park, somebody else, you know, other historical folks who do that kind of thing.

1509
02:21:55,280 --> 02:22:01,260
I would be happy if they were want to do that at their expense. I wouldn't want it to be at the city.

1510
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:04,800
No, it wouldn't be at the city's expense. I agree with you would be at their expense.

1511
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:15,670
One more question.

1512
02:22:17,690 --> 02:22:24,150
If we gave direction for staff to move forward on the lot line adjustments.

1513
02:22:24,970 --> 02:22:32,010
What would be the timeline for that coming back? I want to really know what the timeline would be

1514
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:37,690
make a motion to make those

1515
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:42,260
officially, are we talking a week

1516
02:22:42,260 --> 02:22:44,380
from now, two weeks from now, a month

1517
02:22:44,380 --> 02:22:46,980
from now, what would be the time

1518
02:22:46,980 --> 02:22:49,680
line in having that piece ready so

1519
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:51,440
that we could move forward on

1520
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:53,100
designating this as a part?

1521
02:22:53,660 --> 02:22:54,880
I think it all did.

1522
02:22:55,580 --> 02:22:56,820
So a couple of things.

1523
02:22:56,980 --> 02:22:59,160
I put in the, got a higher

1524
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:01,160
in consultant to help us.

1525
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:02,900
We have to survey the property,

1526
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:04,860
redo lot lines.

1527
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,320
We're going to have to determine, you know, if they work with Laura, why I put in their

1528
02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:13,440
lot line or partition, and I'm going to get a little wonky here, but you used to be able

1529
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:20,500
to go to Clackmas County Tax Assessor and record a taxing lot versus a legal tax lot.

1530
02:23:21,100 --> 02:23:26,780
So just, you know, the want to make sure that I have a legal tax lot to do a lot line adjustment

1531
02:23:26,780 --> 02:23:27,420
off.

1532
02:23:27,860 --> 02:23:31,920
If these were just recorded, we're going to have to determine whether they're actual

1533
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:38,760
legal lots of which, if that's not the case, I have to do a partition, which is going

1534
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:40,120
to take a little bit longer.

1535
02:23:41,260 --> 02:23:47,080
But Commissioner Smith, this is going to take probably five to six months.

1536
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:51,960
By the time I get a consultant, get surveys, get legals drawn up.

1537
02:23:52,760 --> 02:23:58,120
If we do a lot line adjustment, the city reviews it, approves the lot line adjustment, that needs

1538
02:23:58,120 --> 02:24:01,420
It needs to be taken to the recorder and recorded at Clack Miss County.

1539
02:24:02,260 --> 02:24:07,820
Partition, same kind of process, except for then we go through a land use process to partition it.

1540
02:24:08,020 --> 02:24:15,360
So we've got public notice, type two staff report, potential appeal, then that needs to be recorded as well.

1541
02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:18,460
So we can get it moving.

1542
02:24:18,780 --> 02:24:25,080
It's just there's some unknowns in terms of timing, getting surveys, it's not a small survey.

1543
02:24:25,740 --> 02:24:27,940
identifying that line across the top.

1544
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:33,800
So my best guess is probably five to six

1545
02:24:33,800 --> 02:24:39,240
months. They're like November. So my worry about that is this, you know, we

1546
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:43,940
definitely need the answers to those before we designate this officially as a

1547
02:24:43,940 --> 02:24:50,670
park. I've already made the motion in the past to do so. We have waited so long to

1548
02:24:50,670 --> 02:24:59,950
kind of have these conversations, are there any way that short of actually does-

1549
02:25:00,180 --> 02:25:06,720
So, I think we're going to have a meeting in a park that we make some sort of resolution or statement that the intention in intention,

1550
02:25:14,430 --> 02:25:15,110
that this would be

1551
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:20,210
insurance, so that

1552
02:25:25,270 --> 02:25:26,550
a timeline that's posed

1553
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:42,300
because actually we let commission members speak before I did. Yes, go ahead, Mr. Please.

1554
02:25:49,130 --> 02:25:58,670
My point is, we're not going to, we as a commission have a consensus that it sounds to me tonight that this is going to be a bar.

1555
02:25:59,310 --> 02:26:08,990
So I want to be clear that the intention is that and I don't care how long it takes to go through the legalities of it.

1556
02:26:09,210 --> 02:26:24,250
We want to assure the public this is going to be a part and and put that question to an end and then we can officially designate it once we have the documents we need but I don't want this continued another year or two years or hundred years.

1557
02:26:26,650 --> 02:26:35,370
What was that not the intent of my initial motion which was saying I'm trying to wrap this

1558
02:26:35,370 --> 02:26:38,290
all up into one one ball that we can get this done.

1559
02:26:38,810 --> 02:26:45,470
So I said upon the completion of the lot line adjustment or necessary partitions upon

1560
02:26:45,470 --> 02:26:47,810
the removal of the air building of

1561
02:26:50,370 --> 02:26:55,170
the armory property and upon completion and review of

1562
02:26:55,170 --> 02:27:02,910
public opinion, whether that takes the form of advisory vote or whatever, then the motion would be to add the upper yard and

1563
02:27:02,910 --> 02:27:09,070
designate the upper yard as part of Water Board Park. Commissioner, does that not accomplish what we wanted to do?

1564
02:27:10,470 --> 02:27:11,450
Not the last thing.

1565
02:27:13,310 --> 02:27:16,750
What part doesn't? I'd like to hear the conversation.

1566
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:23,550
Commissioner O'Donnell, I concur. Well, I also like the statement that Commissioner Laosmith said about

1567
02:27:23,550 --> 02:27:27,410
We can look at an interim use there for the parks department.

1568
02:27:27,550 --> 02:27:28,710
I think that's an excellent idea.

1569
02:27:29,450 --> 02:27:33,430
I don't, we already have the recommendation from the PrAC.

1570
02:27:33,790 --> 02:27:40,390
I don't want to, this, I think having the resolution not take effect until we have the vote of public opinion.

1571
02:27:40,810 --> 02:27:42,770
I think that's for a master planning process.

1572
02:27:42,890 --> 02:27:47,470
And I would concur with everything you said, but I would like you to remove the last statement.

1573
02:27:47,470 --> 02:27:56,450
I think we have our prac that will run through a process with what the programming will be for the park, but I don't think that should hold it up.

1574
02:27:59,180 --> 02:28:05,740
And I actually entered that hydraulic mission in the efforts to form a mayor's neilies input.

1575
02:28:06,620 --> 02:28:08,820
I concur with everything he said except that.

1576
02:28:09,980 --> 02:28:11,400
Yes, sir.

1577
02:28:12,940 --> 02:28:20,180
Can you read the statement from Carl Laws, the chair of the Park Hills neighbors decision?

1578
02:28:28,340 --> 02:28:29,180
It's not attached.

1579
02:28:29,860 --> 02:28:30,960
Hold on a second.

1580
02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:33,520
Did we get something from Berkeley Hills?

1581
02:28:36,940 --> 02:28:37,880
Yes, we did.

1582
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:38,620
Let's do this.

1583
02:28:47,640 --> 02:28:49,680
Mr. Mayor, are you asking us to read it into the record?

1584
02:28:49,980 --> 02:28:50,500
Yeah, hold on.

1585
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:52,760
I'm going to pull it up so everyone can just see it here.

1586
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:53,440
Yes, ma'am.

1587
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:04,270
I didn't get it in purpose.

1588
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:19,920
Okay, attention city commission wanted to make another statement to endorse the Water Board upper parking lot to be added into Water Board Park.

1589
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:33,800
Previously, I have endorsed this because my own interests and concerns for the community, searching this further, researching this further, I am concerned how it impacts my neighborhood, Barkley Hills.

1590
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:42,360
As I have mentioned before, this park, this park, yeah, neighbors Barclay Hills, the east

1591
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:49,540
side entrance near Quarry Street, Third Street, Oak Street and East Street. Personally,

1592
02:29:49,740 --> 02:29:56,260
I think the community itself and neighborhoods surrounding Waterward Park should be included

1593
02:29:56,260 --> 02:29:57,960
in the decision process.

1594
02:29:57,960 --> 02:29:59,960
It is concerning much...

1595
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:17,000
The public is unaware of what is happening and had no opportunity to give feedback as a CIC volunteer. Other than neighborhood associations, it is very difficult to reach the public. Only CIC members who

1596
02:30:19,500 --> 02:30:29,800
utilize social media are able to communicate to residents who use it. Many of our residents are not on social media, not technologically savvy.

1597
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:33,320
and neighborhood meetings may be too difficult to attend.

1598
02:30:33,980 --> 02:30:44,980
I've talked to a few of these folks and from who, from what I am hearing, are interested in Water Board Park and Water Board Upper Parking Lot.

1599
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:54,480
Barkley Hills Neighborhood Association is scheduled to vote on this July 14th, 2020, whether to endorse this.

1600
02:30:54,480 --> 02:31:03,030
Our steering committee feels it is important our residents have a say on our neighborhood park.

1601
02:31:03,530 --> 02:31:09,680
It is concerning to use this area other than a park.

1602
02:31:10,100 --> 02:31:18,920
It has never earned property tax revenue and it is an area that the geography is unstable.

1603
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:26,700
the target the tragedy for me is if this land is used for anything else other

1604
02:31:26,700 --> 02:31:31,020
than a park Oregon City will lose all opportunity in this area for the

1605
02:31:31,020 --> 02:31:38,070
community thank you for your time and hours you volunteer investing in

1606
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:40,050
Oregon City. I'd like to make a motion.

1607
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:52,000
Mayor is muted.

1608
02:31:54,450 --> 02:31:55,850
I was going to try to get

1609
02:31:55,850 --> 02:31:59,210
your language in there. I'm going to try to get your language.

1610
02:32:04,330 --> 02:32:05,550
Mayor are you there?

1611
02:32:05,550 --> 02:32:08,530
here. You're muted. I heard something click off like a phone.

1612
02:32:09,050 --> 02:32:15,510
I mean, one option would be instead of listing the particular

1613
02:32:17,130 --> 02:32:21,950
concern or steps that has to go to just have a motion that it is the

1614
02:32:22,610 --> 02:32:27,390
sense of the commission that the upper yard be designated a charter park

1615
02:32:27,390 --> 02:32:32,330
in the future. Once all necessary steps are taken to have to allow

1616
02:32:32,330 --> 02:32:36,930
this to be accomplished or something that's simple and you know because I think what I'm

1617
02:32:36,930 --> 02:32:41,470
here in the commission says there are a number of preliminary steps we've got to deal through.

1618
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:46,570
But right now the sense of the commission is we want this to be a charter park. Is that a fair?

1619
02:32:46,810 --> 02:32:52,930
It's close enough that I want it. I like this with the city manager stated here is that once the

1620
02:32:52,930 --> 02:32:56,450
partition or a lot of line adjustments completed in ordinance designating the applicable tax

1621
02:32:56,450 --> 02:32:59,050
that would be brought forward for, I want that in there.

1622
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:59,850
Okay.

1623
02:33:02,700 --> 02:33:04,200
We'd stop for one sec.

1624
02:33:04,480 --> 02:33:04,680
Yeah.

1625
02:33:04,900 --> 02:33:05,720
We lost.

1626
02:33:05,960 --> 02:33:06,960
We lost them there.

1627
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:15,080
Testing.

1628
02:33:15,420 --> 02:33:16,180
Can you hear me now?

1629
02:33:20,810 --> 02:33:21,710
Rocky, can you hear me?

1630
02:33:27,310 --> 02:33:27,870
Here's Frank.

1631
02:33:29,530 --> 02:33:31,530
So Mayor Holidays says that.

1632
02:33:34,270 --> 02:33:34,790
Can you hear me?

1633
02:33:35,290 --> 02:33:35,590
Testing.

1634
02:33:35,950 --> 02:33:36,390
Can you hear me?

1635
02:33:39,060 --> 02:33:40,780
So they're saying that they can hear.

1636
02:33:42,360 --> 02:33:45,680
They can hear on zoom, but they cannot hear anything that's

1637
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:46,440
going on in the room.

1638
02:33:46,440 --> 02:33:52,900
So if something just happened with the audio, I know I heard something go like a phone

1639
02:33:52,900 --> 02:33:53,860
got hurt or something.

1640
02:33:53,980 --> 02:33:55,760
That's what I heard just before.

1641
02:34:00,500 --> 02:34:02,820
Blues, I can try recalling, I don't know.

1642
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:04,200
I can hang up and try.

1643
02:34:08,420 --> 02:34:09,680
Katie is going to try.

1644
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:18,700
Branks muted anyway.

1645
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:22,460
I think we're close to making an emotion to wrap up this item.

1646
02:34:33,480 --> 02:34:34,320
We love technology.

1647
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:37,560
Works every time, doesn't it?

1648
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:38,940
Welcome to Zoom.

1649
02:34:38,940 --> 02:34:42,340
Enter your meeting ID followed by pound.

1650
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:45,960
Katie is trying to reconnect audio right now.

1651
02:34:56,620 --> 02:34:59,500
Enter your participant ID followed by pound.

1652
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,500
Otherwise, just press, please enter

1653
02:35:07,050 --> 02:35:09,290
the meeting password, followed by pound.

1654
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:23,740
You are in the meeting now. There are nine participants in the meeting. You are

1655
02:35:27,550 --> 02:35:31,750
muted. You can mute or unmute yourself by pressing star six.

1656
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:49,410
You are unmuted. Can you hear me now? Yeah, yeah, finally, sorry about that. I don't know what happened. Get hung up on us.

1657
02:35:52,110 --> 02:36:03,830
Okay, so let's go again Katie go ahead and read the letter that was really hard for me

1658
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:08,910
to get through I'm sorry I'm not an extremely great reader so I can show it on the screen

1659
02:36:08,910 --> 02:36:13,490
again you can read it or someone else to read it please don't read it again.

1660
02:36:19,290 --> 02:36:20,690
I'm going to be right in the record.

1661
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:22,850
She read it into the record mayor.

1662
02:36:23,890 --> 02:36:27,270
We were sitting here listening to anybody who was watching on Zoom.

1663
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:32,840
The touching city commission wanted to make another statement to endorse the water board

1664
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:35,300
upper parking lot to be added into water board park.

1665
02:36:35,440 --> 02:36:38,860
Previously, I've endorsed this because of my own interest and concerns for the community.

1666
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:42,700
Researching this further, I am concerned how it impacts my neighborhood, Parkly Hills.

1667
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:46,960
As I have mentioned before, this park neighbor's Parkly Hills, the east side entrance near Quarry

1668
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:48,960
Street, Third Street, Oak Street, East Street.

1669
02:36:49,720 --> 02:36:51,620
Personally, I think the community itself, and

1670
02:36:51,620 --> 02:36:55,460
neighborhoods surrounding Waterport Park should be included in the decision process.

1671
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:59,240
It is concerning much of the public is unaware of what is happening and

1672
02:36:59,240 --> 02:37:02,140
had no opportunity to give feedback as a CIC volunteer.

1673
02:37:02,600 --> 02:37:06,140
Other than neighborhood associations, it is very difficult to reach the public.

1674
02:37:06,280 --> 02:37:10,360
Only CIC members who utilize social media are able to communicate to residents who use it.

1675
02:37:10,860 --> 02:37:13,900
Many of our residents are not on social media, and that's technologically savvy.

1676
02:37:14,100 --> 02:37:16,260
And neighborhood meetings may be difficult to attend.

1677
02:37:16,260 --> 02:37:23,540
And I've talked to a few of these folks, and for what I am hearing, are interested in Water Board Park and Water Board Parking Lot.

1678
02:37:24,140 --> 02:37:28,960
Parking Hills Neighborhood Association scheduled to vote on this July 14, 2020, whether to endorse this.

1679
02:37:29,380 --> 02:37:34,420
Our Steering Committee feels it's important our residents have a say in our neighborhood park.

1680
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:38,160
It is concerning to use this area other than a park.

1681
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:43,520
It has never earned property tax revenue and it is an area that the geography is unstable.

1682
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:48,520
the tragedy for me is if this land is used for anything else other than a park

1683
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:51,320
Oregon City will lose all opportunity in this area for the community thank

1684
02:37:51,320 --> 02:37:54,000
you for your time in the hours you volunteer investing in Oregon City since

1685
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:54,940
early Carla laws.

1686
02:37:58,610 --> 02:38:06,940
Did you did you hear that? Thank you sir yeah so I didn't see

1687
02:38:06,940 --> 02:38:11,060
anybody else's hand it up so I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say and that is that I

1688
02:38:11,060 --> 02:38:16,500
agree with this law is that we haven't had a community-wide a citywide

1689
02:38:16,500 --> 02:38:23,660
discussion about this land. We've had, you know, some discussions in Prague and

1690
02:38:23,660 --> 02:38:29,400
city commission and some other places, but a couple of years ago, we had our

1691
02:38:29,940 --> 02:38:32,640
our commission thing

1692
02:38:35,010 --> 02:38:40,460
of public process about this park, just like we talked

1693
02:38:40,460 --> 02:38:45,500
about just when we had a public process talking about the library and the

1694
02:38:45,500 --> 02:38:48,620
and libraries go, we have not had that yet.

1695
02:38:49,360 --> 02:38:55,190
And just because one area of the city should be a park

1696
02:38:55,810 --> 02:38:59,330
doesn't change the fact that this has got a value

1697
02:38:59,330 --> 02:39:02,010
of at least a couple of million dollars

1698
02:39:02,010 --> 02:39:05,270
that could reduce the park's maintenance budget

1699
02:39:06,510 --> 02:39:08,170
in other parks in the city.

1700
02:39:08,350 --> 02:39:11,110
And if we talk about park place, which has almost no parks

1701
02:39:11,970 --> 02:39:14,830
and in other areas of the city, as they develop

1702
02:39:14,830 --> 02:39:22,070
and we, you know, obviously talked to our item about not doing an SEC in the

1703
02:39:23,570 --> 02:39:33,430
Democrat plan. I think honestly that we should ask all of the citizens of Oregon City about

1704
02:39:33,430 --> 02:39:39,710
what we should do about this. And we have an opportunity coming up in November that we could ask

1705
02:39:39,710 --> 02:39:48,290
that says the question do we want to get this over to a park or do we want to spend the money or

1706
02:39:48,290 --> 02:39:54,970
we want to take the money that we could get from this and do the deferred mains in other places

1707
02:39:54,970 --> 02:39:55,630
in our city.

1708
02:39:58,220 --> 02:39:59,960
I'm not saying I believe

1709
02:40:03,570 --> 02:40:14,160
We have a discussion that we have not had to be quiet yet. And there will be arguments that, you know, this person or that person or this group or that person about this.

1710
02:40:42,410 --> 02:41:01,170
We've been talking about it for 10 years in this community. So there's been gaps in between and different plans in between. But clearly watching that video in the history of the city. There's lots of references to this always have been a part. Now, we can debate the legalities and all that. I only want to go there.

1711
02:41:01,170 --> 02:41:07,490
The fact is that we know exactly what the mayor wants to do here and he's been delaying this for years.

1712
02:41:09,130 --> 02:41:20,070
Now, it's interesting that he uses one of his biggest critics letter as a support for his basis of a public process.

1713
02:41:20,270 --> 02:41:24,050
When in fact, even in her letters, she says it shouldn't be anything other than a park.

1714
02:41:24,050 --> 02:41:25,850
I mean, it's ridiculous.

1715
02:41:26,470 --> 02:41:28,490
And then one public comment tonight

1716
02:41:28,490 --> 02:41:30,950
is from someone that sleeps with the mayor.

1717
02:41:32,180 --> 02:41:35,610
You know, it's like the last meeting that's called for sure.

1718
02:41:35,970 --> 02:41:37,830
Well, that is absolutely uncalled for.

1719
02:41:38,090 --> 02:41:40,890
I'm just saying, no, that's uncalled for.

1720
02:41:41,290 --> 02:41:48,130
Well, I'm just saying that had public comment last meeting

1721
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:52,840
and the only person to speak against all the other citizens

1722
02:41:52,840 --> 02:41:54,260
was Betty Mom.

1723
02:41:54,260 --> 02:42:00,600
and tonight she does that again and nobody else has come

1724
02:42:04,320 --> 02:42:04,780
to us

1725
02:42:07,080 --> 02:42:08,940
commission about this topic.

1726
02:42:09,740 --> 02:42:13,780
You know, we're not designated in a park tonight. That wasn't what we were doing. We're moving

1727
02:42:13,780 --> 02:42:20,850
forward and doing more outlines, okay? So I don't know what you're talking about. The consensus

1728
02:42:21,450 --> 02:42:26,630
there's a consensus already on the commission as there wasn't the last meeting and you continue

1729
02:42:26,630 --> 02:42:27,470
to delay it.

1730
02:42:29,750 --> 02:42:33,690
Well, you're welcome to your opinion, sir. But I'm not trying to lay it. What I'm saying

1731
02:42:33,690 --> 02:42:42,550
is that, oh my gosh, you know, you and Commissioner Griff, and in fact, all of us have said that we want

1732
02:42:42,550 --> 02:42:48,570
to hear what the citizens of Oregon City say about this, and we haven't heard that yet. We've heard from

1733
02:42:48,570 --> 02:42:54,770
you know, activists and neighbors associations. We haven't heard from the average citizen,

1734
02:42:54,770 --> 02:42:56,730
and we have an opportunity to

1735
02:42:56,730 --> 02:42:58,650
remember that wouldn't cost anything.

1736
02:43:04,310 --> 02:43:05,270
I'd like to make a motion.

1737
02:43:06,310 --> 02:43:07,490
I'm going to make a motion.

1738
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:08,910
I would like to make a motion.

1739
02:43:10,250 --> 02:43:12,590
If any one person

1740
02:43:17,960 --> 02:43:19,480
in the commission

1741
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:21,280
chambers are on the commission right now

1742
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,000
that the majority of the

1743
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:24,720
community does not agree

1744
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:26,240
speaks for them.

1745
02:43:26,600 --> 02:43:27,780
It doesn't represent them.

1746
02:43:27,980 --> 02:43:29,020
We clearly know that.

1747
02:43:29,980 --> 02:43:31,260
And so right now,

1748
02:43:31,260 --> 02:43:38,440
us, you know, continuing to base this as ridiculous. I would like to make a motion to move forward

1749
02:43:39,350 --> 02:43:51,460
with a lot of line adjustments and basically the motion that Commissioner O'Donnell was going to make.

1750
02:43:58,880 --> 02:44:03,960
Your muted second is motion, but it needs further definition.

1751
02:44:03,960 --> 02:44:04,720
I'm

1752
02:44:07,380 --> 02:44:11,220
trying to summarize here that Commissioner McGriff, what did you say?

1753
02:44:11,460 --> 02:44:15,240
I said I'd like to second the motion but it needs a little further definition and I'd like

1754
02:44:15,240 --> 02:44:20,040
to ask Mr. Conkel to summarize because it's in the staff report.

1755
02:44:22,140 --> 02:44:29,880
Okay, before we do that, Commissioner O'Donnell, I made the motion twice and I guess the only

1756
02:44:29,880 --> 02:44:38,440
question is, the only thing that was objected to was the addition of the public opinion

1757
02:44:38,440 --> 02:44:45,060
or advisory vote and I can read my motion in its entirety again and I'm I need to make

1758
02:44:45,060 --> 02:44:51,200
sure that it's everyone understands it so should I read it one more time? I have to ask

1759
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:56,920
a question that your motion get a second because I don't remember that. No it did not. It did not

1760
02:44:56,920 --> 02:44:59,620
get a second. All right, the world in Christmas.

1761
02:45:00,180 --> 02:45:30,160
The motion is on the floor and it has a second, minus some kind of confusion. So, Commissioner Griff. I was just asking Mr. Conkel to summarize, but I agree with Mr. Gabisman that we make a motion to, it is our intent to designate this area as part of Water Board Park. I would like to add to suggest a Commissioner Smith that we add item one, item two, item three, and item four as specified in the

1762
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:31,440
the city manager staff report

1763
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:48,680
because commissioner Smith referenced what I put forward. I don't know

1764
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:53,560
if he wants to do it as an entirety or exclude some portion of the motion that I put forward.

1765
02:45:54,340 --> 02:45:59,040
So the motion that was made by Commissioner Smith was moved forward with a lot of line

1766
02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:04,740
adjustment with the portions of the motion from Commissioner O'Donnell that received a second

1767
02:46:04,740 --> 02:46:09,380
and is currently on the floor. Commissioner McGriff has made another motion.

1768
02:46:09,380 --> 02:46:12,520
No, I just said, is that, are we clarifying that?

1769
02:46:12,680 --> 02:46:17,000
I agree with everything Commissioner O'Donnell said, except for the last part.

1770
02:46:18,320 --> 02:46:24,540
So maybe the thing to do is, City Manager Concord summarized his understanding

1771
02:46:24,540 --> 02:46:28,940
of Commissioner Smith's motion, which incorporated Commissioner O'Donnell's motion.

1772
02:46:29,080 --> 02:46:29,340
Go ahead.

1773
02:46:29,480 --> 02:46:31,880
And the motion are in second, can determine if they agree.

1774
02:46:32,140 --> 02:46:32,760
Right, perfect.

1775
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:37,960
The motion would include that staff will move forward to hire a consultant, prepare a partition

1776
02:46:37,960 --> 02:46:45,580
in our lot line adjustment of tax law 500, tax law 1700 will be included in the property.

1777
02:46:46,460 --> 02:46:48,940
And the utility funds will be reimbursed,

1778
02:46:51,180 --> 02:46:55,440
the armory building will be included in the charter park.

1779
02:46:55,820 --> 02:47:00,720
Whether it's under ownership or at a future date, upon ownership of by the city.

1780
02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:05,980
You mean the art rate lot, because the building's gone.

1781
02:47:08,060 --> 02:47:13,300
Once the lot line adjustment is completed, an ordinance designated in the applicable tax

1782
02:47:13,300 --> 02:47:16,000
lots will be brought forward for commission consideration.

1783
02:47:17,620 --> 02:47:22,400
Staff understands that the bear buildings must be demolished or withheld from designation

1784
02:47:22,400 --> 02:47:26,720
as a charter park. It is not the commission's intention to retain the two buildings.

1785
02:47:30,600 --> 02:47:33,780
Smith, I can't see your hand raised, so do you have any force?

1786
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:41,930
No, I agree with Mr. Conkel's summary, so I think the question goes to the motionor

1787
02:47:41,930 --> 02:47:45,070
and the seconder is to whether or not they agree that that was their motion.

1788
02:47:46,610 --> 02:47:47,250
I agree with you.

1789
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:49,310
You agree with you, Rocky?

1790
02:47:50,130 --> 02:47:50,550
Is he muted?

1791
02:47:50,750 --> 02:47:57,990
Well, the question is that concern, the Commissioner McGriff, was the public process or whatever.

1792
02:47:58,070 --> 02:47:58,730
That's not in there.

1793
02:47:58,730 --> 02:48:10,390
Okay, so I'm and then but you want something the intent was that also this is that the intention is this will be a part.

1794
02:48:10,910 --> 02:48:11,050
Yes.

1795
02:48:12,110 --> 02:48:15,390
So I concur with everything city manager said.

1796
02:48:16,590 --> 02:48:16,950
Yes,

1797
02:48:20,940 --> 02:48:24,720
find it amazing that every commissioner up here has encouraged public involvement.

1798
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:28,640
but until this moment where we don't want it.

1799
02:48:29,180 --> 02:48:31,020
And I struggled with that.

1800
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:32,320
That's not true.

1801
02:48:33,500 --> 02:48:35,160
I was not at the time.

1802
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:38,040
Please let commissioners all finish and save it.

1803
02:48:39,300 --> 02:48:42,660
The only part of my motion that was not approved

1804
02:48:43,260 --> 02:48:45,760
was the part to set upon completion review

1805
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:48,020
of a public opinion or advisory vote.

1806
02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:51,900
And that was the part that no one wanted to include the motion.

1807
02:48:52,500 --> 02:48:55,960
and advisory vote from who we've already got one from Pratt.

1808
02:49:00,290 --> 02:49:03,980
This is asking Commissioner O'Donnell

1809
02:49:03,980 --> 02:49:07,500
what he's referring to, what advisory position,

1810
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:09,360
where is he, where is he, want that from?

1811
02:49:10,100 --> 02:49:14,680
I think, and I'm asking you, I'm asking Commissioner O'Donnell.

1812
02:49:14,680 --> 02:49:16,920
Well, I'm sorry, but I'm still the mayor,

1813
02:49:17,060 --> 02:49:22,320
and I think that we should put it out for an advisory vote

1814
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:25,800
in November to hear what the citizens think

1815
02:49:25,800 --> 02:49:32,860
about whether we make this park or whether you take the two of that million dollars and we use it to further.

1816
02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:34,660
I'd like to call for a point of order.

1817
02:49:35,300 --> 02:49:37,340
I'd like to call for a point of order.

1818
02:49:37,860 --> 02:49:38,380
Excuse me.

1819
02:49:41,550 --> 02:49:43,670
Didn't interrupted Mr. O'Donnell.

1820
02:49:43,910 --> 02:49:47,570
He was asked a question and you preceded him without letting him answer.

1821
02:49:47,730 --> 02:49:49,670
So I'm calling a point of public procedure.

1822
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:57,390
Mr. O'Donnell, I was honoring the input by former Mayor Neely.

1823
02:49:57,390 --> 02:49:58,610
Go ahead.

1824
02:50:00,940 --> 02:50:15,800
This is sought public input, and by the neighborhood, most adjacent to the park, the sought public input. And I'd like to hear from my listeners individually if they want to include or exclude that in the motion.

1825
02:50:22,500 --> 02:50:38,140
This is not a neighborhood decision. This is a citywide decision. We're talking million dollars that go to birth maintenance. And, and at the same time, start to help solve our

1826
02:50:38,140 --> 02:50:46,720
low-income housing problem. No it isn't. That's the question. No it is not. I would add to the

1827
02:50:46,720 --> 02:50:52,900
conversation that we customarily do not have citizens vote on the purchase of park land.

1828
02:50:54,120 --> 02:51:02,540
So how does that differ? Well I don't disagree with you sir but the fact is it's been a wide-ranging

1829
02:51:02,540 --> 02:51:09,440
discussion for a while and it's a big decision for the city and I don't know

1830
02:51:09,440 --> 02:51:12,820
that it hurts. Is he way in

1831
02:51:16,750 --> 02:51:17,350
question?

1832
02:51:20,590 --> 02:51:22,990
Commissioner O'Donnell if into

1833
02:51:27,080 --> 02:51:27,360
this

1834
02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:33,480
motion a public process to get input from the adjoining neighborhoods to the

1835
02:51:33,480 --> 02:51:34,880
park would that be sufficient?

1836
02:51:38,700 --> 02:51:40,880
That's the most important part because it impacts

1837
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:43,600
them directly. It sounds like they're in favor of it.

1838
02:51:45,180 --> 02:51:49,000
Again, I fall back in a part that we do not ask the public

1839
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,960
and avoid you side to purchase Parkland.

1840
02:51:51,720 --> 02:51:53,840
I know that, so then I don't understand

1841
02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:55,340
why you're not supporting this motion.

1842
02:51:55,640 --> 02:51:59,260
So if the confession is that you want more input,

1843
02:51:59,740 --> 02:52:00,860
what do you want that from?

1844
02:52:01,320 --> 02:52:03,000
The public lacks us.

1845
02:52:03,340 --> 02:52:07,540
So if we're in a stagnant place right now with this motion,

1846
02:52:07,900 --> 02:52:11,780
so I need to know from you, what does it take you to support it?

1847
02:52:12,860 --> 02:52:17,300
I'd like to hear if I could join the Neighborhood Association at Penn that letter.

1848
02:52:18,440 --> 02:52:19,040
So moved.

1849
02:52:20,300 --> 02:52:24,080
We already have a motion on the floor and I'll remove it.

1850
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:30,600
I will remove it and make the motion with the additional addition of the neighborhood

1851
02:52:30,600 --> 02:52:32,480
associations connected to the park.

1852
02:52:32,900 --> 02:52:34,200
I'm not withdrawing my second.

1853
02:52:34,520 --> 02:52:40,020
So rather than remove the motion, one thing you could do is if the person who made the

1854
02:52:40,020 --> 02:52:42,720
and the second or both agree to a friendly amendment,

1855
02:52:42,720 --> 02:52:43,520
that could be done.

1856
02:52:45,400 --> 02:52:46,640
That's what I'm asking for.

1857
02:52:47,020 --> 02:52:47,500
I

1858
02:52:51,370 --> 02:52:54,630
feel that we have had a lot of input on this,

1859
02:52:54,770 --> 02:52:57,790
not from special interests, but from individual citizens.

1860
02:52:58,530 --> 02:53:00,970
Barkley Hills has had a chance to weigh in on this.

1861
02:53:01,470 --> 02:53:03,450
And his laws has weighed in on this.

1862
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:07,370
I would between now and the time we get the ordinance,

1863
02:53:07,370 --> 02:53:09,590
if people from Barkley Hills want to come in

1864
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:12,630
or send in information to us about how they feel about it,

1865
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:14,910
I think that would be a good thing to do in the interim.

1866
02:53:15,510 --> 02:53:21,430
I don't want to hold this up for yet another process, as Mr. Smith said, this has been

1867
02:53:21,430 --> 02:53:22,050
10 years.

1868
02:53:22,630 --> 02:53:24,870
I don't want this to turn into another ermuching or house.

1869
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:30,310
Where nothing ever happens, because we have people who all of a sudden decide they want

1870
02:53:30,310 --> 02:53:33,990
to have a public process, when they've publicly stated they don't like public processes.

1871
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:35,770
So.

1872
02:53:36,370 --> 02:53:38,210
So it appears the friendly amendment failed.

1873
02:53:38,250 --> 02:53:39,290
Well, I didn't say that.

1874
02:53:39,410 --> 02:53:40,350
I didn't say that.

1875
02:53:40,570 --> 02:53:41,310
I just said.

1876
02:53:41,310 --> 02:53:42,050
I don't think so.

1877
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:44,770
I'm interested in hearing from people.

1878
02:53:45,390 --> 02:53:48,170
We have been talking about this and talking about this.

1879
02:53:48,450 --> 02:53:52,590
I understand sometimes people are not technologically involved

1880
02:53:52,590 --> 02:53:53,250
in stuff.

1881
02:53:56,600 --> 02:53:58,720
Maybe we can send something, pardon?

1882
02:53:59,700 --> 02:54:02,140
Then we need to hear from Commissioner Lyle Smith,

1883
02:54:02,360 --> 02:54:06,400
where we're basically waiting to find out how to move forward.

1884
02:54:06,660 --> 02:54:10,460
So given several concessions already, I'm OK with your motion.

1885
02:54:10,780 --> 02:54:12,540
If it doesn't delay the process,

1886
02:54:12,540 --> 02:54:19,140
I'm okay with your amendment. If it doesn't delay getting this designated as a park. I'm not willing to wait till November.

1887
02:54:20,500 --> 02:54:26,040
I'm clearly I'm not either. I want to hear from Commissioner Lyle Smith.

1888
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:28,020
What's your last name?

1889
02:54:28,740 --> 02:54:33,400
To just make sure. So was that amendment made or not?

1890
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:37,620
He wants to hear from the floor at this point.

1891
02:54:38,780 --> 02:54:40,360
He wants to hear from Commissioner Lowell Smith.

1892
02:54:42,900 --> 02:54:48,280
So, I understand all of the points, what everybody's been saying.

1893
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:51,840
I do believe this project's been going on for a very long time.

1894
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:59,860
I do not feel like, I think we have a lot of work.

1895
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:18,740
I would like to do and months and months of work to do before we ever get to actually designating this as a park. Our intention is to designate it as a park. We, I think all of our commission up four out of the five commissioners have declared an intent for us to eventually get to it being a park.

1896
02:55:18,740 --> 02:55:26,160
I would like to see some public outreach, I mean, if we've got six months before we're

1897
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,500
going to finish this up, there's a lot that's got to happen.

1898
02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:35,020
I don't think there's any harm in actually putting out a survey, you know, it takes little

1899
02:55:35,020 --> 02:55:42,240
effort to put out a survey and put it on our website and say, you know, that would be

1900
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:42,820
a compromise.

1901
02:55:42,900 --> 02:55:46,000
I understand Commissioner Smith's position.

1902
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:50,640
it's like, well, if we want public comment, if it's just that we need to get information

1903
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:55,840
from the neighborhoods, then we can get information from the neighborhoods in the next couple

1904
02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:59,500
of months that should not be a problem, but I don't want to hold up this process.

1905
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:03,820
I think they're all supportive of it, and I think we should move forward.

1906
02:56:07,220 --> 02:56:07,620
Mayor,

1907
02:56:10,480 --> 02:56:15,360
I would hope that this, I would hope that Commissioner Loughless would make a motion,

1908
02:56:15,380 --> 02:56:19,260
or somebody else. I will agree to your amendment so we can vote.

1909
02:56:19,260 --> 02:56:21,420
I will agree to your amendments so we can vote.

1910
02:56:25,340 --> 02:56:26,860
And the amendment, please.

1911
02:56:29,860 --> 02:56:34,280
I believe the addition that Mr. Smith said was he wanted to have additional input

1912
02:56:34,280 --> 02:56:38,260
from the adjoining neighborhood association that abuts it.

1913
02:56:38,340 --> 02:56:41,540
So we've got Rivercress, McLaughlin, and Barkley Hills at abut this park.

1914
02:56:46,060 --> 02:56:53,100
I can't support that because I think the parks in Oregon City belong to everyone in Oregon City.

1915
02:56:53,340 --> 02:56:54,880
Not just the abutting.

1916
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:55,560
I have a vote.

1917
02:57:04,170 --> 02:57:04,410
Yes.

1918
02:57:04,410 --> 02:57:05,850
All for the question.

1919
02:57:06,550 --> 02:57:08,550
There is a comment still.

1920
02:57:09,110 --> 02:57:11,030
The question is called color roll.

1921
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:13,750
I have a comment before the question.

1922
02:57:14,150 --> 02:57:14,590
I'll withdraw.

1923
02:57:15,230 --> 02:57:17,190
Call for the question is not available, sir.

1924
02:57:18,050 --> 02:57:18,910
I withdraw it.

1925
02:57:24,940 --> 02:57:25,820
Mr. Smith.

1926
02:57:26,280 --> 02:57:26,440
What

1927
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:31,370
happens when we have no confidence in our mayor?

1928
02:57:34,820 --> 02:57:36,100
This is crazy.

1929
02:57:36,760 --> 02:57:42,720
We clearly have a consensus on the commission to move forward.

1930
02:57:42,720 --> 02:57:45,840
and the mayor has been able to throw a wrench into it,

1931
02:57:46,020 --> 02:57:48,160
and spiral this meeting into chaos.

1932
02:57:48,540 --> 02:57:48,700
We're

1933
02:57:51,260 --> 02:57:52,800
going to do this for two more years.

1934
02:57:53,340 --> 02:57:56,880
I apologize for exercising my right of free speech,

1935
02:57:57,080 --> 02:58:00,520
but the fact is that there's a motion on the floor.

1936
02:58:01,300 --> 02:58:03,100
Oh, well, so now you're running to me.

1937
02:58:03,440 --> 02:58:06,500
So the point is, is that, you know,

1938
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:08,500
obviously it's not OK.

1939
02:58:08,760 --> 02:58:11,500
It's not OK to confess this, because if we had a contest,

1940
02:58:11,500 --> 02:58:13,140
Yes, we'll be done with this finance.

1941
02:58:16,290 --> 02:58:16,830
Roll, please.

1942
02:58:18,430 --> 02:58:19,790
Commissioner Rachel Laosmith.

1943
02:58:20,090 --> 02:58:20,170
Aye.

1944
02:58:21,170 --> 02:58:22,070
Commissioner Rocky Smith.

1945
02:58:24,320 --> 02:58:25,700
Commissioner Frank O'Donnell.

1946
02:58:26,640 --> 02:58:27,040
Aye.

1947
02:58:27,640 --> 02:58:29,040
Commissioner Denise McGriff.

1948
02:58:29,380 --> 02:58:29,500
Aye.

1949
02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:30,940
Mayor Dan Holliday.

1950
02:58:42,790 --> 02:58:45,850
Most 20 minutes passed our normal time to make a decision

1951
02:58:45,850 --> 02:58:50,470
about moving on to the folks wanting to continue

1952
02:58:50,470 --> 02:58:51,290
on with the agenda.

1953
02:58:51,550 --> 02:58:53,790
We're going to move it off to the next meeting.

1954
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:55,710
Continue on.

1955
02:58:55,710 --> 02:58:56,450
I'd

1956
02:59:00,710 --> 02:59:05,150
like to suggest that we defer item 7-V to the next meeting.

1957
02:59:07,360 --> 02:59:07,880
Partly?

1958
02:59:08,260 --> 02:59:08,600
Yes.

1959
02:59:12,420 --> 02:59:19,660
Yes, so I think if we can get through 7-E and 7-F, we can be done before 10-30.

1960
02:59:25,690 --> 02:59:26,730
I think that's possible.

1961
02:59:27,470 --> 02:59:28,750
Mr. O'Donnell doesn't think so.

1962
02:59:29,570 --> 02:59:30,830
You don't think so, Commissioner O'Donnell?

1963
02:59:31,310 --> 02:59:34,170
I think it's pretty unlikely, too.

1964
02:59:34,270 --> 02:59:35,130
It's the second reason.

1965
02:59:35,130 --> 02:59:42,010
So at this point, Commissioner Lawsmith, I'm going to let you take over the meeting.

1966
02:59:42,790 --> 02:59:45,610
I've got to go lay down.

1967
02:59:45,810 --> 02:59:46,630
Thank you very much.

1968
02:59:47,610 --> 02:59:47,930
Okay.

1969
02:59:48,090 --> 02:59:48,470
Thank you, Mayor.

1970
02:59:51,510 --> 02:59:56,410
So before we make this decision, does anybody have any major communications that are going

1971
02:59:56,410 --> 02:59:57,190
to come up at the end?

1972
02:59:57,290 --> 02:59:57,430
No.

1973
02:59:57,850 --> 02:59:58,330
I do not.

1974
02:59:59,010 --> 02:59:59,970
Mr. Comple, do you have-

1975
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:27,300
So, my goal is to get out of here by 10-30. Absolutely. So, that gives us 10 minutes. Let's go. Eight minutes with communications. Leave time for a few minutes of communications. So, let's see what we can get through. So, I think we're all in agreement to move 70. Sorry, Mr. Norway. Those parklets are being moved to the next meeting.

1976
03:00:28,460 --> 03:00:29,680
Just to be with that.

1977
03:00:30,440 --> 03:00:32,820
Oh, you don't, you want that's the one you want to talk about?

1978
03:00:33,800 --> 03:00:36,660
Yes, because we just deferred this now two meetings.

1979
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:40,160
We're not going to get through it by 10.30.

1980
03:00:40,980 --> 03:00:43,660
Well, our businesses are waiting for us to make a decision.

1981
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:47,080
The Chamber and the downtown have worked very hard on this.

1982
03:00:48,440 --> 03:00:52,100
And this was another delay by the Mayor tonight by pushing that agenda back.

1983
03:00:52,380 --> 03:00:53,300
So I just...

1984
03:00:54,420 --> 03:00:55,520
Do you want to make a motion?

1985
03:00:58,270 --> 03:01:00,230
I move to approve the parklets.

1986
03:01:01,210 --> 03:01:01,390
Second.

1987
03:01:07,520 --> 03:01:09,400
Okay, so is there any discussion or questions?

1988
03:01:09,420 --> 03:01:12,760
I actually have a question real quick on this topic.

1989
03:01:13,220 --> 03:01:14,000
I appreciate the vote.

1990
03:01:14,080 --> 03:01:15,600
I think we can have a discussion quickly.

1991
03:01:15,800 --> 03:01:21,960
Mr. Wei, just to confirm, this will start the temporary parklets,

1992
03:01:21,960 --> 03:01:24,880
but there will be a break and a chance for the commission to come back

1993
03:01:24,880 --> 03:01:28,180
and reevaluate and get input on how it's going

1994
03:01:28,180 --> 03:01:30,740
before we continue on in the calendar, right?

1995
03:01:31,180 --> 03:01:31,660
That is correct.

1996
03:01:31,660 --> 03:01:40,360
Okay. I think it essentially lines with the seasons so once we get through the summer season, we'll be able to bring it back and then we can reevaluate.

1997
03:01:40,480 --> 03:01:43,980
Yeah, that's where we think it's a great idea where it didn't work.

1998
03:01:44,340 --> 03:01:48,740
Yeah, I will say there's lots of concerns about removing more parking from downtown.

1999
03:01:49,260 --> 03:01:56,500
I think we're balancing that we support the sport, the businesses, but there's lots of concerns about parking. Commissioner Smith,

2000
03:01:59,010 --> 03:02:00,030
you have your hand raised?

2001
03:02:00,030 --> 03:02:00,830
Okay,

2002
03:02:03,480 --> 03:02:04,060
Commissioner Donald.

2003
03:02:07,140 --> 03:02:08,800
I have concerns with rushing through this.

2004
03:02:08,960 --> 03:02:10,180
And I have it for a number of reasons.

2005
03:02:10,400 --> 03:02:11,900
I'm concerned about safety matters.

2006
03:02:11,900 --> 03:02:14,540
When we put tables in the parking spaces,

2007
03:02:14,700 --> 03:02:16,500
we've always talked about isolating,

2008
03:02:17,300 --> 03:02:18,260
providing barriers.

2009
03:02:18,580 --> 03:02:20,640
I've got concerns about the combination of this.

2010
03:02:21,180 --> 03:02:22,620
In addition with our sidewalk,

2011
03:02:23,500 --> 03:02:25,060
most of us that we want to do.

2012
03:02:25,540 --> 03:02:26,980
And I've got concerns that part of this

2013
03:02:26,980 --> 03:02:28,640
starts to control private property.

2014
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:30,240
So those are my concerns.

2015
03:02:30,460 --> 03:02:32,120
I think it's a mistake to rush through this.

2016
03:02:32,120 --> 03:02:34,460
and that's that'll be my stance.

2017
03:02:42,040 --> 03:02:42,240
All right.

2018
03:02:43,710 --> 03:02:44,320
Call the vote.

2019
03:02:45,860 --> 03:02:47,300
Commissioner Rachel Lasneth.

2020
03:02:49,900 --> 03:02:50,320
No.

2021
03:02:51,320 --> 03:02:52,720
Commissioner Frank O'Donnell.

2022
03:02:54,360 --> 03:02:54,980
No.

2023
03:02:55,400 --> 03:02:56,340
Commissioner Rocky Smith.

2024
03:02:59,900 --> 03:03:01,000
Commissioner Denise McGriff.

2025
03:03:01,240 --> 03:03:01,400
Hi.

2026
03:03:02,800 --> 03:03:05,480
So I think this comes back and needs more discussion.

2027
03:03:06,240 --> 03:03:10,380
Is there anything specific you'd like me to include in the next agenda that's not included in this?

2028
03:03:10,380 --> 03:03:11,680
I think we just need time.

2029
03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:14,280
I think we just need the presentation and go through it.

2030
03:03:14,380 --> 03:03:15,980
We'll bring this back to the next commission meeting.

2031
03:03:16,420 --> 03:03:16,520
Yes.

2032
03:03:16,920 --> 03:03:17,240
Thank you.

2033
03:03:17,320 --> 03:03:18,520
I tried to do it on the first place.

2034
03:03:19,480 --> 03:03:19,780
Yes.

2035
03:03:20,140 --> 03:03:20,300
OK.

2036
03:03:21,240 --> 03:03:22,680
Moving on to 7E.

2037
03:03:22,800 --> 03:03:27,100
This is the second reading of ordinance number 20-1006.

2038
03:03:27,380 --> 03:03:28,580
Then we'll create concept plan.

2039
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:30,960
Code and zoning amendments.

2040
03:03:31,500 --> 03:03:31,840
Thank you.

2041
03:03:31,900 --> 03:03:34,640
There's one item of business that we have to deal with first

2042
03:03:34,640 --> 03:03:36,400
in that in response to a request.

2043
03:03:36,400 --> 03:03:38,340
I sent out an email to the commission.

2044
03:03:38,520 --> 03:03:39,600
The records currently closed.

2045
03:03:39,600 --> 03:03:49,600
So the commission needs to decide if you want to open the record and accept the email or keep the record closed and reject it.

2046
03:03:49,740 --> 03:03:51,460
You'd want to open the record.

2047
03:03:51,460 --> 03:03:56,340
If you want to use it in your decision making, if you don't use it in your decision making, then you can keep it closed.

2048
03:03:57,140 --> 03:03:59,440
I do not want to reopen the record again.

2049
03:03:59,540 --> 03:04:02,080
We opened it once and that's, I've been with it.

2050
03:04:03,990 --> 03:04:05,770
I believe reopening would restart the clock.

2051
03:04:05,770 --> 03:04:12,050
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and in a legislative matter, this would not we'd go back to the first

2052
03:04:12,050 --> 03:04:12,350
three.

2053
03:04:12,430 --> 03:04:19,490
No, it doesn't change the the text of the ordinance at all.

2054
03:04:20,070 --> 03:04:23,670
So it when required restarting that having another first reading.

2055
03:04:24,390 --> 03:04:24,990
Okay.

2056
03:04:27,020 --> 03:04:27,420
Okay.

2057
03:04:27,640 --> 03:04:33,280
So did everybody here, Mr. Kabizman, that we could open the record because this it doesn't

2058
03:04:33,280 --> 03:04:36,220
I have substantive changes to the code of amendments.

2059
03:04:37,220 --> 03:04:39,660
It would not take us back to the first reading.

2060
03:04:40,600 --> 03:04:42,360
We could open the record.

2061
03:04:42,360 --> 03:04:43,160
We could open the record.

2062
03:04:43,280 --> 03:04:44,240
Put it in, close the record.

2063
03:04:44,640 --> 03:04:45,340
Go to your second reading.

2064
03:04:45,460 --> 03:04:46,200
Go to the second reading.

2065
03:04:46,480 --> 03:04:50,420
Commissioner O'Donnell, I would like to hear that.

2066
03:04:50,520 --> 03:04:51,720
I knew and I didn't see it, so.

2067
03:04:52,820 --> 03:04:53,440
Commissioner O'Donnell.

2068
03:04:56,480 --> 03:04:59,820
I posed a question in the last meeting in Mr. Gbos.

2069
03:05:00,300 --> 03:05:29,940
And can you give us the most simplistic answer to? Can we insist upon development of the economic portion of this development prior to the residential? And my concern always is, you know, that was our plan. And now we're going to work face with becoming a bedroom community with no place to work. And everybody traveling and increasingly burden our road system. If you would give us a very read or digest answer to that. I think I'm prepared to move on.

2070
03:05:29,940 --> 03:05:34,020
Commissioner O'Donnell, thank you, I'll try to summarize as best I can.

2071
03:05:34,280 --> 03:05:42,420
I guess the first thing to realize is that the concept bringing concept plan areas into the city is a long iterative process.

2072
03:05:42,420 --> 03:05:46,340
It begins with broad policies and generally narrows down into specifics.

2073
03:05:46,860 --> 03:05:51,840
The city has already adopted the concept plan and the plan doesn't currently impose any of those such limits.

2074
03:05:52,360 --> 03:05:57,180
Some of the area in the land in the area has already been annexed into the city and

2075
03:05:57,180 --> 03:05:58,840
and rezone to allow resident development.

2076
03:05:59,680 --> 03:06:05,080
And so there's some limitations on what we can do given how far into the process we are.

2077
03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:09,260
There are some steps we can take, such as depending on the status of a particular property.

2078
03:06:09,820 --> 03:06:18,720
If there's an annexation proposed, we may be able to take steps to not approve an annexation of land that is

2079
03:06:18,720 --> 03:06:25,560
comprehensive plan designated for residential because of its impacts on adverse effects on economic social physical.

2080
03:06:25,560 --> 03:06:28,760
So the extent property has been annexed but not re-zoned.

2081
03:06:28,960 --> 03:06:36,140
We could possibly not allow the re-zoning, although that would be much better supported

2082
03:06:36,140 --> 03:06:41,580
if we have this type of policy actually adopted into the planned documents.

2083
03:06:42,220 --> 03:06:49,180
And finally, there could be some options with how we invest in public infrastructure and

2084
03:06:49,180 --> 03:06:53,960
where that is provided, but providing infrastructure to this area is already complex.

2085
03:06:53,960 --> 03:06:58,460
And what that would do would not be so much restrict residential,

2086
03:06:59,060 --> 03:07:02,660
to the extent we did it, it would be to incentivize industrial development.

2087
03:07:03,100 --> 03:07:09,020
But once we did that, we wouldn't be able to prevent residential development from taking advantage of the public infrastructure.

2088
03:07:11,000 --> 03:07:15,800
So the answer is, for this purpose of this development, we cannot impose this restriction, but

2089
03:07:15,800 --> 03:07:19,200
we might want to consider it for future developments, would that be accurate?

2090
03:07:19,960 --> 03:07:23,340
I think so, there might be some specific cases.

2091
03:07:24,420 --> 03:07:26,380
Okay, I'm prepared to move on.

2092
03:07:26,980 --> 03:07:31,980
So Commissioner Ardonno, it was your comments that you were requesting to get added to

2093
03:07:31,980 --> 03:07:32,380
the record.

2094
03:07:32,620 --> 03:07:33,460
Does this suffice?

2095
03:07:34,820 --> 03:07:35,300
Certainly.

2096
03:07:35,780 --> 03:07:35,880
Yes.

2097
03:07:36,460 --> 03:07:36,880
Okay.

2098
03:07:37,140 --> 03:07:40,160
So I think are we all in agreement we're not going to open the record,

2099
03:07:42,520 --> 03:07:43,080
Commissioner Smith?

2100
03:07:47,860 --> 03:07:48,180
Okay.

2101
03:07:48,540 --> 03:07:50,080
So I think we can do the readings?

2102
03:07:50,980 --> 03:07:52,140
We need a motion.

2103
03:07:52,140 --> 03:07:52,740
We need a motion.

2104
03:07:52,740 --> 03:07:55,900
that we approve second reading.

2105
03:07:56,120 --> 03:08:00,760
Approved the second reading of ordinance number 20-1010-06

2106
03:08:00,760 --> 03:08:04,490
then we'll create a concept plan by

2107
03:08:13,160 --> 03:08:13,760
the development

2108
03:08:13,760 --> 03:08:16,240
for commercial first, those two residential.

2109
03:08:19,820 --> 03:08:20,460
Is there a second?

2110
03:08:22,460 --> 03:08:22,760
Second.

2111
03:08:24,320 --> 03:08:26,720
Okay, ordinance number 20-1006

2112
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:27,740
and ordinance of the City of Oregon,

2113
03:08:27,800 --> 03:08:29,280
City of Mending the Oregon City Municipal Code,

2114
03:08:29,400 --> 03:08:30,320
that'll 16 Land Division,

2115
03:08:30,320 --> 03:08:32,880
Saddle 17, zoning chapter 17.0602

2116
03:08:32,880 --> 03:08:34,680
Official Zoning Map, the Official Comprehensive Plan

2117
03:08:34,680 --> 03:08:37,900
and Mending Ancillary Documents of the Comprehensive Land Implements that be Recreate

2118
03:08:37,900 --> 03:08:38,660
Growth Concept Plan.

2119
03:08:39,280 --> 03:08:40,860
Commissioner Rachel Laosmith.

2120
03:08:41,340 --> 03:08:41,440
Aye.

2121
03:08:41,700 --> 03:08:42,900
Commissioner Rockiesmith.

2122
03:08:48,570 --> 03:08:49,610
Commissioner Frank O'Donnell.

2123
03:08:50,510 --> 03:08:51,170
Aye.

2124
03:08:51,750 --> 03:08:53,170
Commissioner Denise McGriff.

2125
03:08:53,490 --> 03:08:53,630
Aye.

2126
03:08:56,250 --> 03:08:56,410
Okay.

2127
03:08:56,730 --> 03:08:57,290
Motion passes.

2128
03:08:59,130 --> 03:09:01,550
Do we need to continue 7F?

2129
03:09:02,310 --> 03:09:02,910
7F.

2130
03:09:03,370 --> 03:09:05,450
I mean, it requires the mayor's appointments, right?

2131
03:09:05,630 --> 03:09:05,850
Correct.

2132
03:09:06,330 --> 03:09:07,630
So I don't think we can do that one tonight.

2133
03:09:08,170 --> 03:09:08,330
Correct.

2134
03:09:09,690 --> 03:09:10,150
Right?

2135
03:09:10,150 --> 03:09:12,850
I'd like to move the consent agenda is

2136
03:09:17,300 --> 03:09:19,900
there a second on the consent agenda racial

2137
03:09:26,200 --> 03:09:27,760
so we can just get it done before

2138
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:33,860
10. Oh as a presenting officer I don't think I could second. Yeah, I think we'd have to come from.

2139
03:09:33,980 --> 03:09:38,100
Commissioner Ardonal, Commissioner Smith, you are not interested in improving the consent agenda.

2140
03:09:45,130 --> 03:09:52,830
It's just approval of the minutes. That's the consent agenda. Yeah, I remember sure I'll second. Thank you.

2141
03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:58,680
Well, there's something I want to put on a future agenda, but we can do that in our closing statements.

2142
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:30,100
Okay. Commissioner Rachel Alsmith. Aye. Commissioner Rocky Smith. Aye. Commissioner Franco Donnell. Aye. Commissioner Denise McGrath. Aye. All right. Communications. If we can get through this, we'll be lucky. Thank you. I can invite Mr. Graham and Mr. Graham. And while he's coming, I just want to let the commission know that I've been working with Patrick Buck, the HR director of the police chief and my staff. We're bringing in

2143
03:10:30,100 --> 03:10:36,620
And the gentleman named Mr. De La Cruz, he's going to start with our internal staff on

2144
03:10:36,620 --> 03:10:41,220
bias training and how to be getting these discussions that we're hearing as it relates

2145
03:10:41,220 --> 03:10:43,820
to racial equality, social injustices.

2146
03:10:44,020 --> 03:10:45,120
So we are beginning that process.

2147
03:10:45,780 --> 03:10:47,560
This will be the second week in July.

2148
03:10:47,560 --> 03:10:50,480
We will have training for our entire police force.

2149
03:10:51,040 --> 03:10:55,500
And then we'll also have training for the entire executive team during that time period.

2150
03:10:55,520 --> 03:10:56,940
And then we'll continue to build from there.

2151
03:10:56,940 --> 03:11:00,820
and then I'll just turn over Mr. Graham for an extremely quickly, quick update.

2152
03:11:01,580 --> 03:11:02,340
Oh yes, okay.

2153
03:11:03,640 --> 03:11:09,460
Well this is an update regarding the Oregon City Business Debt Relief initiative round two.

2154
03:11:09,700 --> 03:11:10,680
And just wanted to give you an update.

2155
03:11:11,960 --> 03:11:19,940
We will be starting this program on July, actually on July the 15th.

2156
03:11:20,660 --> 03:11:21,940
We'll be taking applications.

2157
03:11:22,560 --> 03:11:25,640
But it's important to realize that this program was for both

2158
03:11:25,640 --> 03:11:29,320
for profit and non-profit of businesses.

2159
03:11:30,020 --> 03:11:34,220
And it's a program that will be providing grant funding.

2160
03:11:34,700 --> 03:11:41,960
It'll be $2,500 set for all those who qualify and are eligible

2161
03:11:41,960 --> 03:11:43,560
to receive this kind of funding.

2162
03:11:43,760 --> 03:11:47,800
So we're looking at on Monday, July 6th,

2163
03:11:47,880 --> 03:11:53,320
through July the 10th, Laurie Bell will be going out and talking

2164
03:11:53,320 --> 03:11:59,700
to our minority owned businesses and socially disadvantaged groups about the program from

2165
03:11:59,700 --> 03:12:06,440
July 6th to the 10th. And then applications in Spanish and English will go online for

2166
03:12:06,440 --> 03:12:13,380
public viewing on Monday, July 13th. And then we will start accepting applications on July

2167
03:12:14,300 --> 03:12:20,540
15th. So, and this program will continue until August the 19th.

2168
03:12:20,540 --> 03:12:26,560
And this is for small businesses with five employees or less right one to five in criteria. We had from before

2169
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:30,040
Well, someone with the state. Yes, the additions. Yes, the additions

2170
03:12:31,100 --> 03:12:34,580
Perfect. That's it. All right. Any questions for Mr. Graham?

2171
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:37,180
Go forth give away money

2172
03:12:37,180 --> 03:12:39,380
All right. Thank you

2173
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:41,080
Commissioners

2174
03:12:41,080 --> 03:12:46,080
Commissioner Donald had something. Yeah, Commissioner Donald. I'll yield all of my time to meet him

2175
03:12:48,510 --> 03:12:55,310
This commission took a flyer at the park place request for crosswalks. It wasn't well thought out

2176
03:12:55,310 --> 03:13:01,670
I would like to put that item back on a regular commission schedule for a more in-depth discussion and

2177
03:13:02,210 --> 03:13:04,610
Review rather than the way we approached it before

2178
03:13:05,870 --> 03:13:06,690
That's all

2179
03:13:08,470 --> 03:13:11,050
Yes, I would agree with that

2180
03:13:13,700 --> 03:13:17,760
Mr. Conkel is looking for consensus from the commission on bringing that item back

2181
03:13:17,760 --> 03:13:27,630
Mr. Smith, I thought we had resolved it but obviously there's a bunch of misinformation

2182
03:13:27,630 --> 03:13:32,670
out there and I have concerns about that misinformation, this representing something

2183
03:13:32,670 --> 03:13:33,710
that the city commission did.

2184
03:13:34,290 --> 03:13:34,530
Right.

2185
03:13:34,750 --> 03:13:40,510
I think that Clarenay needs to be made as far as where the money is coming from even if

2186
03:13:40,510 --> 03:13:42,950
do we even have the funds for the crosswalks?

2187
03:13:43,030 --> 03:13:48,770
We need to clarify and probably help the public works department on where this project falls

2188
03:13:48,770 --> 03:13:55,370
in the work plan and the whole scheme of things, I think the neighborhood obviously would like

2189
03:13:55,370 --> 03:14:01,450
for it to happen very quickly, but we all know that the public works had a full work plan

2190
03:14:01,450 --> 03:14:08,350
and a full agenda and a lot of capital projects planned for this biennium. And so we just need to

2191
03:14:08,350 --> 03:14:14,250
figure out where that's, we did not provide that direction when we tackled the crosswalk situation.

2192
03:14:14,250 --> 03:14:20,070
All right, the mayor's not here, so unless there's no further comment.

2193
03:14:21,210 --> 03:14:23,690
Mr. O'Donnell, your hand is still raised, are you finished?

2194
03:14:25,390 --> 03:14:29,630
I'll just must stuck in place and didn't have enough energy to put it down, so here we go.

2195
03:14:31,270 --> 03:14:36,450
What a long evening, so thanks everybody for sticking it out, I think.

2196
03:14:38,590 --> 03:14:39,610
Thank you, gentlemen.

2197
03:14:40,330 --> 03:14:40,610
Yeah.

2198
03:14:41,390 --> 03:14:41,610
Yeah.

2199
03:14:42,390 --> 03:14:43,250
All right.

2200
03:14:43,710 --> 03:14:44,310
We're adjourned.

2201
03:14:44,490 --> 03:14:44,850
Thank you.