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We're going to have a forum and it's time to start.

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don't have four, we don't have our feet in the body of the tree.

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All right, so we want to look down here today and we'd like to start out.

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So Tom will be calling in and he's up the way very celebration.

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So we'd like to start out

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by standing down and John do it.

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I'll enthrone that, and I'll take the majority of this, but we talked a handful of months ago about

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the desire of some areas and questions, some minor tweets and changes over the last couple

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months, every Board of Commission has had that opportunity to look. The majority of the changes

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of C are kind of broad, thoughtful, all-commissioned off, and then you'll see some unique changes

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that have been made to maybe specifically the library because of the kind of change and focus

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of what they, strictly from now to all kinds of the two,

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but John did our assistance

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in the city.

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Stephen said there's going to be some general changes, as well

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as we've already, I believe,

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more

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flexible and lastly, some people are just taking out some unnecessary,

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almost all of the

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We set our kind of mission order of the judgements.

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These are all the ones that it will apply to

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currently, in practice, what we're dealing with.

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But when the members replace, instead of finishing out the firm, we're going to start a new term.

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And that's just a correctness, and that seems to be a lot easier to deal with.

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Also, we're going to be removing the term limits.

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And the past we've had just a few individuals that were glad to apply to generally

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though most commissions and wars are sad when members

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terms are up. And so we thought instead of the exception

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become the rule, we should instead remove

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the term limits to if there's specific instances in which

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someone is a good fit, then we can make that individual

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judgment call instead of answering all the

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boards and commissions.

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And obviously this gives the flexibility

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if we have a commission where there's a lot of people

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wanting to get on, you don't have to continue to

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the issue is that we can't find people for them. There's somebody that's turning out and

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they would love to stay on. We would love to keep them on and we don't have somebody else in the

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links waiting for the filters.

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This last one is just an applicable as of now. Initially when some

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of these commissions started, we staggered the curtains three or two years. That's no longer a

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difficulty.

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Also, and if all of these commissions, if a member of Mrs. One of the 25 percent,

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They're just kicked off. No, no, no, but that's nothing for him.

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And more flexible and set it autonomatically in the name and so.

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Also, another flexible, you know, defines

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the court, is the majority of the appointed members because sometimes there's less members that are appointed

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and are sometimes specific to the code, so that allows for more flexibility and the court's

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would be adjusted accordingly.

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So what is the smallest item?

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and have that on these three there to do that.

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But sometimes the issues can have sounded on the books.

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A car was defined by five.

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We don't have five of a point in it.

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So 100% of the people at point

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didn't have to show up that meeting.

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Or in this case, we would not say the majority

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of now wants to point out which would be so.

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That is a point in the point.

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At last in the early 90s,

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were reducing

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the term length 40

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to be having questions about.

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The education we're reducing the number of members

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increasing the term length

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from two years to three.

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Heritage, using the members from 75,

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as well as changing

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from meeting monthly to period plays.

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Me, taking out the book selection

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costs replacing it with material selection,

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changing

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frequency from meeting monthly to quarterly,

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reducing members from 97, as well as adding

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due to responsibilities, things that are already doing,

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adding some very parts of the clean.

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So, tell me about that.

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How has attendance been, I'm only years you've seen seven mostly there, but yeah, maybe.

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So Chris is, Chris,

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from what I understand, we kind of up to tonight, we took on this

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broadband, and we had a couple of people appointed for that specific purpose.

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They went through that bed in the situation.

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Oh, now I'm bringing back to some.

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And that's where I remember.

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On the natural resource,

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how we definitely, did that come from?

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because of the Minister of Meditation.

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To maybe Jason, you'd end up like this

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in temporary entities.

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I almost feel like sometimes they feel like they don't.

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Which in all of these says quarterly or as

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seat more often,

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can come to allow them to meet.

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And that's a good point because every one of these

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that says quarterly or whatever it says, or more often

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is determined by the chair.

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And so I think for us, it was about the flexibility

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so that we're not stuck to them.

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They can meet monthly, but they're making them a time

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where they say, you know what?

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This is just more often than we need for the next six months than they should have really

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answered.

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It's about the flexibility.

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Yeah, we did.

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There were times where, like, we're in the summer months where they were just canceled

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meeting because, you know, there were too many around a town.

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So when I tell you, yeah, summer fest is going to be a word that's going to be a word

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that's going to be a quarterly or more often as needed.

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We do need a more often, especially January and June, but not the

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radiation from

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and also increasing the term like from before years,

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from 97 members.

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Some of us last year, we, I created a set committee,

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but it was something.

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This just allows the creation of subcommittees to assist in their various duties,

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boards that are currently unnecessary as different reasons.

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So we would recommend striking,

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planned advisory commission. It's currently responsibility of the state council and no one actually needs on that or separately.

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I don't know if any of you know, I think it's been years since it was actually functioning if it did.

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relations advisory commission, the police has the formal meetings with different various

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groups and they actually recommend it not having it formalized. They'd like be the informal

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nature of it, being able to pull

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to that.

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The recycling advisory commission is currently

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under the stewardship committee and they also don't mean so it's just an up also in the head.

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And then lastly, this sister city advisory committee

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met in over

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a day.

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So one thing I might mention on the Sister City situation, we've had two cities since I've

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been mayor request to

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be on in South America and one in China, but the expense and the cost and

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the time,

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the great value, and it seems like it's way too expensive. So I have never agreed to

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know, obviously the next step of people,

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do there any questions or do you have a summary slider?

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Could you go back to the, so that I was trying to take notes?

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The general kind

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of general changes.

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So I got a beautification and historical preservation.

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Oh, I missed the ones.

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Yeah, right.

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It's a good recommendation for the things.

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Time to take a month.

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It's a good recommendation.

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So on the, in terms of the intent that we take, you know,

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if you have somebody that's, let's say, that we're gracious for issues,

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people have been on there for four, four, five years and somebody wants on.

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what's the process, we want to keep them so they will get on the new people on the new

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housing work.

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There's always still going to be an element of judgment, too.

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I mean, in any scenario, so in this case it would be, yeah, we have people make waiting

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in the wains and then it would be a discussion with Carl and the council member, probably

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the representatives or whoever, to say, hey, we have somebody that really wants to, this

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person's been on for a while, and probably a conversation with the person that would be

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So we always have that flexibility to not really point.

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The issue we've run into is no flexibility to re-appoint when we need to try it on the ground.

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One perfect example is that we all know is Kay Bradford for our seniors.

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She's turned out, but she is passionate and there aren't a lot of people sitting there waiting to take that spot.

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We don't want somebody like that to not be able to get to it.

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So I'll ask all of us.

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So the individual we come.

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And I think they're naturally well, we see regularly where somebody has done one, they want to move on to another one, so I think that will probably still be the generally what happens.

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Yes, as John mentioned, in October, we'll bring this forward. We probably won't go through all these changes again. This will be on a consent agenda for you to approve.

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Thanks John.

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So our next discussion is on rental properties and

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some rentals.

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Every night.

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I know.

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They usually do better when I get to see the right before I present.

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They're my wife.

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I remember my wife to why I'm doing this.

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These like this.

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We've been talking about neighborhoods,

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one of your areas of focus this year.

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One of the things we've been talking about.

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Let me just say, we have representatives from, there's a lot of people that would come into play if we get into a res, we get into a better licensing.

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IT, police department, some analysts, planning zoning, Steve, we're all just been advising us legally, at least these areas.

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And then utility building of course has been a big part of this.

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As we thought about this neighborhood and how we can improve neighborhoods, one of the challenges in any college town,

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So that might be Tom or you here,

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any community that's currently, especially in a college scenario, especially

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ones with aging neighborhoods is the number of homes that are turning its rental properties,

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which we're not here to say people can't invest in rental properties, what we're saying is,

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if you're going to do that, there's rules and good neighbor type of things that you need to be

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and increasing the accountability for landlords

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and reducing the city's costs associated with the rentals.

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We'll go into those in detail,

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but we feel like this is an opportunity

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to allow us to do things that will help

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for the neighborhoods more quickly

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and we'll go through the details.

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There's a handful of, what we would say are

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our desire now comes, please stop me anywhere along the way.

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First, and our subject?

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So, the very first sentence there, gathering contact information, do we have contact information

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on most of the property for the tenants, usually throw it through your utility building?

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So, in the case where it's in the name of the landlord, that's necessarily the landlord.

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Yeah, and Surgeon Almore had to speak to this, as he would pull up, we have a code force

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and issue on the rental property, generally maybe step through what that takes sometimes

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to get the contact information of the owner.

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How much do we have with that?

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We'll get to that 2400 single family homes.

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That's what we don't love.

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I mean, how much information not have many rentals,

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but how much information on landlords.

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But we don't have that on, but we don't have in our system.

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So that's what I'm saying.

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We don't have in our system.

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what I'm saying.

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can sure address the problem. I'm just curious that as far as our database

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You know very hard or how much we have and basically what you're saying is very well very little especially on the single

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Family homes. Yeah, you mentioned the LLCs don't think you have

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I'll see pops up and they have the manager

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Information which is

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you can't go if that additional information you have to pay for it

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to that to find out

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like the registered agent, all the times that's all you'll have is registered agent.

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Sometimes it gives some of the principles that you typically won't have a phone number,

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or an address for the principles that just have to address

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or the registered agent.

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And that again oftentimes is not even the person that you get in contact with.

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And it's an all.

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Seven of these LLCs are in Utah.

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But some of them are out of state.

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or they're owned by banks and that is a whole different layer.

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So that's the process that you do within the House. I think a great question, and you teed it up for us.

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I think we're just going to say, I think we're disraining a problem for you this week's, this week's, just the challenge it is for our, you know, our code enforcement teams.

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They want to, they want to be responsive, they want to get these properties, they want to solve them.

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But we need to find a way to bring the landlord into a quickly so that it becomes a problem that they have to help solve as well.

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not just the 10 and 2 may or may not solve, they may be able to, there may not have a long term invested in that property.

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So that's number one. This will allow us to notify them about issues, citations, correlations, water leaks, whatever those issues might be.

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We'll talk about this a little bit with two utilities. One of the challenges is, for single family homes, a lot of times the utilities.

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In almost all cases, they're in the name of the 10th, not the landlord.

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There's a water leak.

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We took the Kathy of in here in a minute.

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She can speak this.

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There's a water leak.

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The landlord won't fix it.

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It's not their responsibility.

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And it's not their bill.

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And the 10th is saying, I can't get this fixed either.

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I'm coming in and paying these hundreds of, you know,

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those are some of the issues that we're trying to solve that we can be able to

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proactively reach out to unless we're about.

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And I should say, we define landlord as the owner of the property

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the property management company that they have in it and it's going to agree with it, take care of it.

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Second, our management company is going to work with.

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No,

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they are in multiple steps and they can be able to be such

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a hot attack or a property.

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They are a burden to you.

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This is your ship when they have it.

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Seconds that have a team to prevent landlords that are going to attend to their problems from continuing business issues.

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You'll see, for most of these systems, they have a rental licensing program and the ability to suspend the license.

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if they continue to have these issues and they're not giving us all.

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Some of those details, we still have to work out and we would bring this back to you,

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but that's, again, one of the desired outcomes.

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Third, on the utility side, preventing the city from having to absorb

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and collect utility bills on rental properties.

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The ones in there, so is a general rule of thumb,

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and it's a multi-family apartment due-plex four-plex.

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There's one meter, multiple units.

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Our code requires those to be in the name of the landlord.

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This is what you experience on your properties.

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If it's a single family home, it can be in the name of the landlord or it can be in the name of the tenant.

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So the ones that are in the name of the tenant annually be suspended.

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We sent about $80,000 worth of uncollected bills to collections.

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We collect about $30,000 worth.

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So about 50,000 every year is going unpaid because the tenants have a paint.

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Those that oftentimes are at the left-hand, they're not able to get a hold of them.

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not really anxious to help the data.

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Fourth, reduce disproportionate amount of time that we spend dealing

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with federal properties and so think of a federal property

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changing over 10 at ZGR or every other year.

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Every time that happens, we're changing names,

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we're going through, obviously, the collections issues,

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we're very, very, very, very busy agreements.

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I've been on an unbound path, I think.

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I think I was going to take a long time to last week.

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It's going to collections on one name.

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All of a sudden, it comes in to get it on the other hand.

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You have to go through leads to make sure,

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which sometimes is the case that it's not the spouse

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that I'm trying to get it in their name.

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We've got to make sure that it's, you know,

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is that the same family that's just moving into different names

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to avoid having to pay.

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I was testing that to make sure you could log in.

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So, what's that

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card?

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And that's okay, you hear us?

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He probably just had a chance to log in.

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It's all right there.

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It's all right there.

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It just kind of serves in all the warms area.

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But we want to have the ability to notify landlords when citations are issued on properties.

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We go out to a call, a party of 3 a.m., we go out to a call of abandoned vehicles on a property.

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Whatever that is, we want the employees to make sure the landlords brought it to the loop to know what's going on.

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Tom Phelps, that our IT, what we're trying to do.

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Members, as the ability to program, when we would have a licensing place, email addresses information

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tying to the properties, this could become an automatic thing. We issue a citation.

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Potentially, weekly, landlords are being notified of the citations that have happened on their property,

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and they're being brought into the loop so that they know, in a case where maybe they live in California,

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and there's somebody out in my property in 3am this week dealing with this property, dealing with an issue.

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Our hope is to, again, make landlords part of helping us solve these issues, not just us in attendance.

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Second, allowing our neighbor preservation officers to just have this quick access to contact information for landlords.

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This is what all more of us can do about as well. Currently, the process of getting this contact information is cumbersome.

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It takes a long time. Even if it's not a negative thing, we're trying to reach them about we want to be able to contact them quickly.

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And then third, obviously there's always the ongoing concern about illegal rentals, having a licensing program allows us to make a quick determination that there's a license or not a license and it allows us to move on something more quickly.

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That's those are kind of the things that the way how we would sum up the benefit of this on the code enforcement side.

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Can these join us?

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She can speak to the obviously a lot of the utility building.

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We have any questions here.

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Well, we're proposing is to require all rental properties to have their utilities in the

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name of the landlord or in some cases the property management company if that's how they

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have entered into the arrangement but no longer in the name of the tenants.

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We would reduce the amount of time we deal with collections and the number of work orders on

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rental properties.

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I'll show some data on that in future slide.

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The limit, the amount of work, our employees spend doing shut-offs, reading meters, reviewing

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lease agreements, and dealing with the various challenges of rental properties.

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So this is data on the percentage of accounts that we send to collections these year.

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We're only talking rental properties.

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Blue is your multi-family.

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Orange is your single-family, again just rentals.

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Here's the top of your interest, and here's the total number of

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And I shouldn't say units accounts, 1300 multi-family accounts, 2400 single-family accounts that are rental properties.

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Of that, in a multi-family situation, again, this is a brand summit. This is where the landlord actually has kept it in their name.

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We're sending 0.3 to 0.5% of those account seats to collections.

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and a single family rental or sending between eight and nine percent of all of all of those accounts

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to collections each year.

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And so, obviously, as those utilities stand in the name of the tenant, it becomes challenging

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in the utility bill of the world.

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As it relates to collections.

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Then we talk work orders, and these are all those other scenarios of reading leaders

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and going to turn off and turn on all those things.

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When it is in the name of the landlord, we do work over here on about 11 to 12% of the accounts.

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When it's in the name of the tenant, we do it on about 55% of the accounts each year.

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Obviously, the amount of time we spend in a work court, this is just utility billing thing.

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This is where we're sending our water and crews out to do the track offs to read the meters.

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Each time somebody's moving out, again, many of those things go wrong.

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way in a situation where it's in the name of the landlord.

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Are there any questions about any of the things we've presented so far?

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If, for a single family home, how do you get down if I come in,

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set with the water and mining, how do you identify and know the property?

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Yeah.

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So that's not enough, isn't it?

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Then we would have the ability to look up to see the world's properties

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maybe somebody comes in and put it in their name as the land as the property order, just that I'm the tenant, but I'm putting it in the mining anyway, how do you verify I'm the tenant of the property?

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Right now, it's not required any people to work.

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And that's what offers

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right now any one can sign up.

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Except if they're not tied to this performance,

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they will need a real advantage.

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But they only need to look at the current records.

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That's what we do.

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Maybe they're already struggling to be able to just collect rent.

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If they leave the water running all day long, all the lights on and all that kind of stuff, and I have these good bills, I have to sort of, so we started those conversations with,

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like, you know, before we called them, we wanted to make sure that you're a company with the direction we're going first. But we would have a ramp up period to educate, to bring people kind of, we have talked to select landlords, you know, in a one-off situation, we haven't done anything

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by these things. I think we're approaching the conversation also from the perspective of,

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This is not a typical single-family residential situation.

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This is an individual or an LLs operating business.

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So this is a business really.

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As a result.

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When they have to go business license then?

378
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Yeah, that's the neck.

379
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We'll talk about that.

380
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Yeah, there'll be a licensing feature.

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And most of the cities don't have to talk about this license.

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She said, oh, no, yes, this one.

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We call selling different license.

384
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Yeah, rental license.

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I think currently a lot of way.

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We don't know when the property has been sold, so we don't do it.

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But they don't have to return up there.

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We don't really do the waste of transfers from there.

389
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Yeah, all they do to come in.

390
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How many of you read on this?

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I mean, is that common?

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Yes.

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That's the moment.

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Let's say about, we've got about 300 orders.

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And so we do 100 of them.

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What do you do to the board?

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Which is thing to do this call.

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I think I'm going to transfer back to the board.

399
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So two-thirds of them are not.

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I'm not.

401
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My thought being is it's pretty common for many landlords to say they don't pay and come back.

402
00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:02,460
But the violence goes in the back to the ground.

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Turn it out.

404
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And then you move out.

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If they can't help violence in the police, they're tempted to.

406
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And so, those sort of ones over time,

407
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are hard to believe in collections.

408
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Yeah.

409
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But there's no landlords coming.

410
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Do we have a way for the landlord to cover that?

411
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It's part of that.

412
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:20,830
That's not true.

413
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That's true.

414
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It's true.

415
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Yeah.

416
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Work, worst case.

417
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I mean, we see a lot of opportunities keeping it in their name.

418
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The landlord doesn't have to pay that.

419
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:30,870
But ten of those in your mind will forever.

420
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:31,570
Yes, it is.

421
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Yeah.

422
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I think under any scenario, we would, if we would recommend making a change to say, we're

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released.

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It's going to send that to the landlord and make them pay that plan.

425
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They'll not absorb it in the city.

426
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So we would at least go that far.

427
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:45,910
But there's challenges that way too.

428
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So then the landlord doesn't know that the ten of the three months we have

429
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But now I was always late fees that have been accrued, and now they're on the hook for the late fees plus the bills

430
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So come to challenge that with two nail fleets

431
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I think what you might be referring to is this quite stark ass does

432
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Where you sign a land where agreement and where you agree that when they move out that sage and money is a landboard and in that case

433
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That bill is forward to the landboard to cover if the renter skips out because we don't

434
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typically they also have deposits that they can use.

435
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880
But the owner of the property should be responsible for it.

436
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:29,560
Even if the 10 of those out needs a gas field, the land works so much.

437
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,300
If it's been turned off, then we'll have to turn that back on.

438
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,460
Well, if you go to sign that land, we'll have to believe it.

439
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,100
It goes into their name.

440
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,060
Yeah, the land works.

441
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:40,040
Or what?

442
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,480
Bill the 10 of that, eight, it's done responsible.

443
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If you have a sign that necessarily really meant to get it turned back on,

444
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We'll have to take that.

445
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,400
I mean, that's my experience.

446
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:56,490
But my son, if it didn't lose out, knows $50.

447
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:58,410
And you're the one we're trying to correct.

448
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:15,580
That's true, but actually it's not the use of operating the fault site. On our side, he's in, he's, so the place, there's that day, it comes in my name and then I take it off from there, but that 50 bucks, I'm not responsible for it.

449
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:21,020
If it's been turned off, to get it turned off, they have, they can roll over in your name.

450
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And

451
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we have no security positive, Jamie says that people who sign up.

452
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:28,220
It's not an issue.

453
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,020
But we do do.

454
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:31,840
They've gone to collections a couple of times.

455
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,340
Or I don't even know it's a couple of times.

456
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Maybe once.

457
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Or if you haven't shot off notice.

458
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:41,900
If they've been in collections, would we need to find the way to be in a collection amount?

459
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Then if it's being more than once, it's going to be the first thing.

460
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:46,980
But they put it.

461
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:49,260
Okay.

462
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Is that common enough?

463
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:51,160
Yeah.

464
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,060
It's the last.

465
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Yeah.

466
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There were a chance.

467
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,940
and then you weren't that bad for me.

468
00:35:59,240 --> 00:35:59,800
Yep, yep.

469
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,760
I feel like there are other cities that do deposits for sure.

470
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:04,780
Obviously, sometimes the challenge is just

471
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tracking all the deposits that do has them

472
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,280
and getting them bad, I'm going to be a seat.

473
00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:09,800
That doesn't become challenging.

474
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:11,860
In the scenario, we're putting out.

475
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,560
We would give them a such, given that the landlord's going

476
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to clutch his 0.3, 0.5% of the time,

477
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:19,440
I don't think we're even talking about doing collections.

478
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,220
All right, the landlord wouldn't have to come up with the deposit.

479
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,520
We just have to put it in their name.

480
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,310
So, take us out of the deposit business, too, which we'll see when we see them.

481
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:31,570
What does the work order mean?

482
00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:34,130
Yeah, if you want to speak to that, can we order them?

483
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:35,350
We're daily either.

484
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:40,970
Yeah, the work order is anything that is required to attention to that property.

485
00:36:41,770 --> 00:36:44,850
A simple meter read when a tenant moves out.

486
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:48,190
We have to go read it to know exactly how to build it.

487
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:53,710
Anything that may need to check, whether it's a turn-off and a turn-off and a

488
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,900
media work order.

489
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:13,700
Let me tell, there's, as we've been talking about this, this is one, this is an individual property, this is an actual example, that it's a single family home and it's been the name of records.

490
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:17,620
We understand it's generally been singles that have been living there, so the names can go around.

491
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,380
So this is an uncommon where you'll have a few singles they'll say, I'll take it.

492
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:26,800
But if I go to collections, I just got to move it in the year name, and then we get the water turned back on by this kind of bill.

493
00:37:26,860 --> 00:37:34,960
So we have one property that between 2010 and 2004, it went to collections four times, and four years, and it changed in eighty six times.

494
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:43,480
And the property that that single family home in the time it's been a rental has the police have gone out on average every other month for 15 years.

495
00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:51,280
And so these are the scenarios that we feel like this allows us to help address of, okay, we continue to have police calls out there.

496
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,620
landlord, this is your responsibility too, not just the tenants responsibility, and then the

497
00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:00,800
collections four or five times that goes away, that's these in the name of the

498
00:38:04,070 --> 00:38:04,350
intern

499
00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:05,450
water off in the cold

500
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:28,270
one, some of the thirty-three.

501
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Any other questions on just some of that?

502
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,440
And what we'll get into, kind of, it's interesting, you have,

503
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,500
yeah. And you know, as we thought about that,

504
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:47,800
you know, you think of a single family, it turns over every other year, then you'll kind of get

505
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120
You know, about that, I'll be about right.

506
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:52,560
Now, some of these, of course, have more than one,

507
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,420
but this is the average.

508
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:56,080
These are just at the single family homes that are rented.

509
00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:58,100
No, no, I don't, I don't.

510
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:59,640
Yep, that's what I'm saying.

511
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:06,110
So, next we'll just talk about the licensing itself,

512
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:07,510
what the licensing might look like.

513
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:08,370
I'll represent them.

514
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:09,390
We don't have numbers yet.

515
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,910
Part of what state law has required is,

516
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:13,070
for us to charge some of these fees,

517
00:39:13,210 --> 00:39:16,630
you have to have a study done, to show the disproportionate cost

518
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:19,770
from round properties than a single family situation.

519
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:22,670
So, what we're looking at though, and I'll just show you

520
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:25,090
West Jordan's future structures, and I have plenty of

521
00:39:25,090 --> 00:39:28,790
others examples too, is a base v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v to v.

522
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:31,150
So, this would be your equivalent of a business license, but to

523
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:34,050
Brandon's differentiates, it's not around a business, it's a rental license.

524
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:35,450
Is it yearly or once?

525
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:35,950
Yearly.

526
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:36,550
Yearly.

527
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:38,550
Similar to a business license.

528
00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:43,610
This again, this is just West Jordan's adopted fee, and then a per unit charge.

529
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:49,010
And so, what the study would show is, hey, for every unit you have,

530
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:57,010
This is the disproportionate cost that please call those fire calls utility issues that come with the real property that may not come with a single family.

531
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:59,550
We would use real data to do that.

532
00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:30,920
For you to charge. What the study would show is the cap. This is the most you can charge based on the data. We don't have to go that high, but that's that would set the cap and the state law of sin law has put that out. If we didn't have a study, then all we can charge is just kind of that basement license fee. We couldn't. We couldn't differentiate anybody because we don't have data showing that that land that landlord, because he has 10 properties, is more expensive for us than this landlord, who she has.

533
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:36,940
one property. We can't differentiate until we have to study that. So, our recommendation would be to have

534
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:43,660
some type of a base fee. It covers all the paperwork, all the licensing, all of that, and then a per unit charge.

535
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,000
The charge itself depends depending on the amount of code of code businesses they're operating.

536
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:58,610
Any questions on that? Please don't want you to do the $25. That's for paperwork.

537
00:40:59,170 --> 00:41:00,470
That's what that's what they have in life.

538
00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:01,550
It's like a business license.

539
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:06,870
So if you do that every year or just when they're wrong,

540
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:08,410
they change every year.

541
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:10,030
It'd be like a business license.

542
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:13,730
And I'm just going to do a spending in how long will it take?

543
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:16,090
So there's a couple companies that do it.

544
00:41:16,110 --> 00:41:17,810
We talk to one of them to get an idea.

545
00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:19,130
They thought it would take a couple months.

546
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:23,010
They're going to be getting us a scope and a cost here in the next day or so.

547
00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:26,090
So Lewis and Young and Science Bank both do these studies.

548
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:27,930
We'll get we'll get quotes from both.

549
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:34,210
and you're studying the entire city?

550
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,660
I don't know the methodology completely,

551
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,340
but I would imagine they would probably pull everything

552
00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:44,660
that we have listed as a rental and calls,

553
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,330
and then you're collectibles, all that.

554
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:50,490
Yeah, we talked through all that.

555
00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:51,590
We talked through some of this specific.

556
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,880
We're talking about two is,

557
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,680
and I can't remember what my bill is at this later,

558
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,720
we're talking about two is having,

559
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,660
so the state-wide at a top of this good landlord program,

560
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,440
and what that is generally is,

561
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:13,320
you have to take some classes and sit through

562
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
and you're watching that videos and you become a good landlord.

563
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:20,000
But we're not looking at a program like that.

564
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,980
But we've defined things that we feel like

565
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:24,680
what really make you a good landlord in the city.

566
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,280
One is giving this utility thing figured out,

567
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,100
too, is having a property that's free of citations,

568
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:32,240
or when citations come, they're being resolved.

569
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,800
One of the things we're considering is having a fee like this,

570
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:40,380
but if somebody were to, the year comes up

571
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:41,460
and they have 10 outstanding,

572
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:44,460
And I'm just 10 out of the expectations on their property.

573
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:47,040
Then we wouldn't classify that as a good landlord

574
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,320
to give them a discount on their feet.

575
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,280
They'd have to pay a higher fee to continue to operate.

576
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,100
So we're looking at some of those types of things.

577
00:42:54,980 --> 00:42:56,020
And that's what the study would be.

578
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,020
So how many cities do you know this?

579
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:58,780
And how many don't?

580
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,140
I don't know all of the numbers.

581
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,320
Whereas we went to a recent conference that

582
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,600
talked up some about this.

583
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,140
But in a college town, it's very, very common,

584
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:12,080
because of the number of rents.

585
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Provo does the St. George doesn't

586
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,960
opt in the Salt Lake Clearfield, Taylorville, West Jordan,

587
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,680
West Valley, and Rollaway all do it as well.

588
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:21,200
These are some of the state ones that we came up with.

589
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:21,540
Can you help me?

590
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:22,480
Can you help me?

591
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,640
So if you have an individual unit, which is one unit,

592
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,460
you're writing that you pay $20 a year.

593
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,240
If you have multiple units, no matter how many,

594
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,660
if you have more than one, then you pay $60 a year.

595
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,280
If you have more than one, my guess is they probably haven't done a study to show the

596
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,700
different issues.

597
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,780
They can't get it to the purview chart.

598
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,180
That's so, yeah.

599
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:53,360
It goes as high as Salt Lake does 150 base fee and a $20 per unit.

600
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:54,040
That's good.

601
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,380
Dr. Promenade.

602
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,760
I mean, have they had success with this?

603
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:57,200
Yeah.

604
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,040
In fact, go to our three one.

605
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:59,980
Our helps and our ages lead us from there.

606
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:00,820
Yeah.

607
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,340
She said it'll be a good day.

608
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:04,960
And we do that.

609
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,980
American Forks City is one of the other ones we know.

610
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:10,140
I think requires the utility system to stay in the name of the landlord.

611
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:15,640
They've had challenges with landlords not loving it,

612
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,120
but all the benefits they hope to see, they see.

613
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,220
Do the building's savings go to the house or to the land.

614
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,680
We've been to the other of the utility's name.

615
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:27,600
That would be the address here.

616
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:29,080
Now we have a quick pace.

617
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,380
So recently we've we've created a system with our utility building called Quick Pay

618
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,840
We're all you need is an account in a web pin and you don't have to log him in the account

619
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,320
You just see the one once bill when you pay it

620
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,500
So there would be a way for a landlord to say to the tenant that you go on and pay this bill

621
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:49,660
Here's the pin in the number you don't have to have my account. You don't have to have log into my account to do it

622
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,480
So but we would be sending them to the

623
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:59,780
Like we do in a multi-family case today, Brett gives the bills for one city.

624
00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:01,430
Any charge in the grant?

625
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:06,970
Good question. Any other?

626
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:11,090
That's please, so are you like most of the way for your presentation here?

627
00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:18,270
Yeah, I have a couple slides. Okay. So, subletting, if somebody is subletting a place, would they also,

628
00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:23,950
like would you require a license from the owner and from the subletter, or would it just be?

629
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:31,820
We do, there's going to be some kind of call. I think it's only, it's going to be the owner still.

630
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,660
Okay. That's what we want you to do.

631
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,520
That's what we want you to do.

632
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,460
problem. Okay, so I don't think we can focus on it.

633
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,800
Accessory apartments is a different, if somebody is just, you know, they, they're

634
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,760
own-rockified living in the main house, but they

635
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:52,730
have this calendar or it. Yeah. So, in fact, one of the things that's

636
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:59,650
studied we'll look at is the difference, the difference, the difference is there. Chief jobs and all of our people speak to this.

637
00:46:00,410 --> 00:46:05,530
Generally, other than somebody calling, just saying we think it's an illegal basis in a apartment, we don't run into many other issues

638
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:08,710
could be older on site all the time. So it'll look a little

639
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:11,450
think that in the point, do it may be that a basic part has a

640
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:14,310
different price because the cost of the city are just

641
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:18,860
significantly less than it would have already not lived in

642
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:20,400
on site. And then

643
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:25,880
would they be lumped in with

644
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,640
everybody else or could we have like a higher fee or difference?

645
00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:42,350
I think something is doing a story not less than what

646
00:46:42,350 --> 00:46:45,910
compared to. So they're renting, I mean that's a rental just like anything else they would be

647
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:49,910
like the base residential rental license.

648
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:52,510
I think what you're talking about is who we charge them

649
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:55,510
just for the, that's a start of it.

650
00:46:55,690 --> 00:47:00,850
I think a lot of it speaks to kind of like MU type issues.

651
00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:03,490
Like I've last year I've got a few calls from people

652
00:47:03,490 --> 00:47:06,230
that they have an Airbnb in the neighborhood,

653
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:10,090
and people run it out as kind of like a party house kind of thing.

654
00:47:10,210 --> 00:47:12,870
And so then they'll have, you know,

655
00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:13,910
quite a residential neighborhood,

656
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:19,040
but this gives us

657
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,580
just a kind of the base or would that give us the key?

658
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,840
What would it be?

659
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:33,740
Do you know your property is being used to the park house?

660
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:35,440
You know what

661
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:39,230
I mean?

662
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:39,690
I'm interested in that.

663
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:41,070
I mean, I'm interested in all the issues.

664
00:47:42,010 --> 00:47:49,090
You know, there's a lot of cities have a separate warden's dealing with Airbnb type rentals.

665
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:52,110
And that's something we can certainly consider as well.

666
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:53,710
But that's not part of me.

667
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,140
Not Mr.

668
00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:04,140
This is

669
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:28,100
really new about like this was a section of our city code.

670
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:32,160
If we just had having a subsection that addressed the accessory department,

671
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:39,920
we're still kind of being consistent with the overarching objectives, but

672
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,780
In short, they'd at least plant the devices.

673
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,280
Kind of.

674
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200
But the type of that, it couldn't be though that

675
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,320
if the challenge in order would be supplying in the data of where the short-term panels are,

676
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:17,680
because we don't have any kind of database to say, here's the short-term panels, look at the calls for service on those versus

677
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:27,440
That may be somewhat the challenge, but I think you're logic is right on this. There's a lot of, I would say we get a lot more, we get a lot of calls on Airbnb's, a lot of issues, a lot of reporting.

678
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,400
Well we could just go on Airbnb and find out where a lot of them are.

679
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:32,240
Is he right then?

680
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,500
But state laws specifically doesn't allow that.

681
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:35,280
Yeah, does.

682
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,480
We just know that.

683
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:38,040
Yeah, we don't know where they are.

684
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,000
We're just not allowed to prosecute.

685
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,600
No, okay.

686
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:41,600
Hopefully.

687
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,240
They're going to.

688
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:43,880
Sorry.

689
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,020
Plus the neighbor.

690
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Yeah, that's already in many situations, but the home or the property of her is living in

691
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,120
the home and renting part of his home or her home out as he short-term rentals.

692
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,940
So these issues associated with...

693
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,100
The utilities are not really in play because the property on her is paying utility bill to some degree as a different path.

694
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:09,460
That's just doing complaints.

695
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:10,520
Correct.

696
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:24,660
I mean, really, one of the things we're trying to do with, and I really applaud Stephen and his put this together, is we're kind of expecting a lot from the MPU,

697
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:30,640
expecting them to enforce these issues associated with rentals and

698
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,180
and challenging as

699
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:39,140
a result we need to give them a tool essentially do their job.

700
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:45,030
Right now I think some of the tools we have are helpful.

701
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:51,170
This is what Steve and if

702
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:54,990
I do is,

703
00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:14,240
I mean is that, you know,

704
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,440
we've done it the next slide that we will talk you say it goes to Steve.

705
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:49,090
We have quite

706
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:53,410
a few of those, we only go do boxes.

707
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:58,940
How do we get them to register?

708
00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:02,720
Because I really believe that we

709
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,980
are using property owner.

710
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,380
No, we are using the property owner.

711
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:30,140
Yes.

712
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:30,920
Okay.

713
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,240
We'll then provide documentation in fact.

714
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:41,220
You know, so we're already a step ahead of where we currently are because right now, you know, we don't know.

715
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:45,760
I'm about as three years ago, we asked for this coming developed in services.

716
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:48,300
So then we worked with the building building.

717
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,160
We had a lot of new plants that are needed.

718
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:56,040
And then when someone has to move away and change that we are needed.

719
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,560
It has to be a building.

720
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:05,200
And the owner calls and then they get upset because we don't know now where they are.

721
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:06,700
They're interested somehow.

722
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,560
So there's always that fight.

723
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,110
I think we might do a little bit of something with that.

724
00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:18,690
And I think, yeah, one of the things that I think...

725
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:19,630
Remembrance of good question.

726
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:22,470
The question brings up is the challenge we already have today.

727
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:23,870
We're already struggling with that.

728
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:26,050
We're already struggling with illegal basement rentals.

729
00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:30,790
So, already starting with too many people in a hall, all those issues will still be issues.

730
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:34,350
We just feel like this is one more tool that helps us address them more quickly.

731
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:36,830
So, now, somebody says, I think there's something in the rental.

732
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:40,170
We can just pull up a license and say, do they have a license or don't they have a license?

733
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:42,010
We can move on that pretty quickly.

734
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:45,350
So, just one question on a bill legal rentals.

735
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:47,350
Is that increasing every year?

736
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:51,910
And this is to the announcement that we've moved here.

737
00:53:53,160 --> 00:54:00,020
So, we have on the majority in one part of our city or than we do in other part of the office.

738
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:02,840
It's not specific, we haven't in the office.

739
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:09,460
Is there a team that they don't pay this?

740
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,460
I mean, what's the enforcement side of this?

741
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,720
Yeah, I mean, there's still some mechanics we work out,

742
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:18,420
but the, I mean, the team has the ability to spend the license,

743
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:23,580
and I would imagine having to find associated with operating in the middle without it.

744
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,940
So, then we would use our administrative law judge process.

745
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:26,140
Let's start.

746
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,500
Let's have a round of the question.

747
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:32,660
What does this look?

748
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:37,500
Licensing rentals would be handled through the Orm help center, like our business licensing

749
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:38,020
is.

750
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:43,340
The additional employee hydrants program would be mainly in code enforcement, talking with

751
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:44,640
our NPU staff.

752
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,360
This might be on the civilian team.

753
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:51,440
This is the need to send letters, make phone calls, do the follow-up, do all of those things

754
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,320
that don't require a sworn officer.

755
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,080
And then we would have some health and health centers in this to the program answers you thought there's

756
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,920
something to question the couple.

757
00:55:01,580 --> 00:55:31,160
So that's, I mean, that's what the money goes. If you have 136 units and single family, 2461, $75, $75, you're talking, $3, $4, $5, yeah, we didn't model this a little bit. We don't have the exact number, but one of the things they want doesn't allow us to do is if I own five properties, I still can only be charged on $75 fee. So, a lot of these rentals,

758
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:38,040
For example, you have 1,300, both that family units, but 100 of them are going to be in one complex, one fee.

759
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:39,760
Then the per unit charge.

760
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,720
So, we don't have the exact numbers of what it means.

761
00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:45,660
They're like the staff of the couple.

762
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:48,440
They're still good to have enough money and a higher two code enforcement.

763
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:49,640
Yeah.

764
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,300
Yeah.

765
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:58,520
So if somebody has 10 properties through five different LLCs, do they need a license for each LLC?

766
00:56:01,180 --> 00:56:07,760
They probably need more prejellos, CDIs, this one per unit, so it's a different honor they have to have to have to have.

767
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,500
Maybe I just third by one thing, I mean the general rule is that any fees you've

768
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:21,480
Collect from this type of a rental license can only go towards administering the license program.

769
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,620
Licensing programs, people who are taking to pay for work and working with people on sort of work.

770
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:30,620
Unless you do the disproportionate services study, it's Stephen's talking about.

771
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:36,180
And then if you find that these different rental units are a creative disproportionate for services,

772
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:43,720
then you can charge more to basically help for more NPU officers, whatever else, other employees,

773
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,920
water, whatever you are dealing with the additional need for services that they are creating.

774
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,240
So the actual base E is probably going to be relative to the low, I would guess less than $75.

775
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,840
Because you only can charge them out that you need to actually minister the licensing program.

776
00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:03,600
So the study, the study, the study, the study, the study will show that.

777
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:06,900
So the study, that's what you can potentially try and

778
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,740
are charging more into, to pay really a disproportionate services.

779
00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:12,560
Does that make sense?

780
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,660
So the NSSB can't be used for needing you.

781
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,520
If we haven't done the study, if we've done, you know,

782
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,420
disproportionate services, then we cannot.

783
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,720
It only made for the licensing program.

784
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:23,620
So we've done this.

785
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Yeah.

786
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,920
Then you could use that to eventually date brand view and

787
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:34,180
We would show that we're spending, giving them more time on our properties and our code enforcement.

788
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:34,840
Therefore,

789
00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:40,290
pricing it out after this study.

790
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:47,330
If we can also demonstrate that this will save money in, like the word calls and things like that,

791
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:48,430
do we have to subtract?

792
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:53,380
Is that just what we want to say?

793
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:54,100
I'm sure.

794
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,920
Well, you know, we did the impact.

795
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,000
So, credits in there.

796
00:58:01,390 --> 00:58:01,570
So,

797
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:10,780
fine.

798
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:11,100
Interesting.

799
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:12,900
We looked at the different fees.

800
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,680
So, again, a lot of cities have this land.

801
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:22,500
good landlord program what if you're a good landlord you do these different things here's the lower feet if you're not here's the true cost of your unit

802
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:30,800
In like in West Jordan it's $7 if you're a good landlord if you're not you're paying the full cost

803
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,760
It's $200 per unit

804
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:41,140
So what usually comes back is that hey the real cost of these rentals to a city is really really high

805
00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:43,200
So we'll just obviously have

806
00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:11,520
one thing to have a legal part

807
00:59:35,970 --> 00:59:38,370
and they have no problems of saying another six

808
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:44,720
and then they have no responsibility to be able to get a lot

809
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:45,200
Yep,

810
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,950
it would not only just be in the bill, also be in the need to do

811
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:15,400
At least we'll be thought of in concept of this idea. Okay, so we recognize that we find this problem. We notify the landlord and notations made on their license. They come from renewal and we still have this outstanding issue. Then the fees become significantly more next year.

812
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:25,880
While we're still trying to fight through this problem, right? But again, what we're struggling with now is we have that issue and we're trying to now just, who do we talk to? Who do we talk to?

813
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,760
is this instead of all more say, hey, three of you, you know, draw straws and three of

814
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,040
you are in the three of you are out.

815
01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:36,400
We want to be able to get to the person and actually take care of that at least and educate

816
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:36,600
them.

817
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:41,200
And I think, you know, sir is not going to have a good point that while it's frustrating

818
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,080
is that it is for us and those of us that know this business well enough, know what legal

819
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:51,160
know it's not legal, a lot of them really don't, they don't understand maybe that they

820
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,800
couldn't afford and they don't understand that they couldn't take their house and turn

821
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,800
been to a duplex, we have the ability now to proactively mail things to all registered

822
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,500
license orders to say, here's the rules that you ought to be playing by, and a lot

823
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:05,900
of them don't know by choice.

824
01:01:06,740 --> 01:01:09,620
But I think there's a variety of really or something that don't understand.

825
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:16,120
So you know, this also was going to be a great opportunity to educate the director, you know,

826
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:22,480
we can go take a massive off the wall, and if they're in a situation where it's not a

827
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:29,420
fear, the insiduation or whatever, just could be a mechanism to help educate them so that they

828
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:36,700
can come to the city and say, hey, we've got this problem for them. Or maybe they, maybe

829
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:41,220
they at least know the law of that, so they can approach the land on this hay, or you can

830
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:44,740
know the law you're supposed to do this, and they're not doing it on the house. So,

831
01:01:56,730 --> 01:02:04,330
if

832
01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:19,370
you

833
01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:21,430
I like the idea of using that

834
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,020
address that the overall frequency

835
01:02:28,610 --> 01:02:33,110
here is that there's a landlord that looks at it just from a dollar and cents ten

836
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:37,180
point of this year

837
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,740
there's three more people rent for the economics still they might just get

838
01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:54,850
to staying enough.

839
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:32,500
There's that part of it but there's the.

840
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:39,360
But if they're not addressing them, we charge to hire a fee and continue to go after the issue if they really are jailed.

841
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,380
Yeah, yeah.

842
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:46,050
The reason I asked that there's a daycare that it doesn't

843
01:04:00,130 --> 01:04:00,330
matter.

844
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:01,330
Yeah, yeah.

845
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,200
One of the things that I think that

846
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:11,900
all police, one of the challenges that comes with illegal rentals,

847
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,400
and we're sensitive to it, you are, there's two parties here involved.

848
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,220
One is the landlord who knows, potentially knows.

849
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:20,240
And in some cases, it doesn't.

850
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:27,440
I agree a lot of times though that they're operating something illegal then there's the tenants who I think we could speak

851
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,540
Confucius they don't they didn't know they got in the KSL

852
01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:34,120
Hey, I should look up to see if that's illegal based on carbon or not before

853
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,200
But those are those are the people that

854
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:41,920
That it's challenging to try to figure out how to exactly handle that in a you know

855
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,900
Quick way, but not take this young family or whoever might be living there

856
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,700
put it out of the streets. As we deal through the mechanics of this, I think one of the things

857
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:55,900
we'll be sensitive to is the timing. And how much time do we give somebody to one company

858
01:04:55,900 --> 01:04:59,280
compliant to make their basement legal into the basement issue?

859
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:09,160
We want to make sure that we're not in November, taking a young couple who's in a basement that thought they're on a good place and putting them out.

860
01:05:09,860 --> 01:05:16,020
So we're still working through the mechanics of how can we enforce what we need to, but be human and what we're doing as well.

861
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:23,860
And ultimately get to compliance, which is what we want. And if compliance takes six months for them to finish out their lease and then they know they can't lease.

862
01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:27,720
What those are just things we're just looking at to try to be a human and what we're doing

863
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,020
and not put, you know, all more than a team in a really difficult spot is there standing there with the

864
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:38,400
young couple who had no clue and telling them that they've got to find a new place by, you know, this day.

865
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Wait, don't be simmering myself. The same thing we'll shut up in the water.

866
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:43,920
So,

867
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:48,310
I think the other aspect,

868
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:51,820
I think when we said that,

869
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:03,220
man, do a

870
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,420
70 information,

871
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,420
you know, we did it.

872
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,760
the LJ system that we added in part,

873
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:47,320
based off of that inflexible.

874
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:06,580
And this is a conversation we've had with the NPU.

875
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,940
If this is looked at as, oh, great, this is,

876
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,740
we not have a penalty for not perenni legal.

877
01:08:17,060 --> 01:08:18,780
Let's have our NPU drive around

878
01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:21,180
and just try to find legal rentals all day,

879
01:08:21,220 --> 01:08:23,000
because now we have something that we can penalize before.

880
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:25,260
Now, this doesn't work, and this is,

881
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:27,900
this isn't to change the prioritization of their calls.

882
01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:31,280
They're still going to say the drug house is priority one.

883
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,520
They're still going to say those things are,

884
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,900
this is a tool to help them address those issues more quickly.

885
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,860
This also allows us to address illegal rentals or some of those other issues,

886
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:43,620
but this is going to change a prioritization of calls.

887
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:46,340
This is going to allow us to take care of those high-trivial calls

888
01:08:46,340 --> 01:08:47,520
in a more efficient way.

889
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:48,660
That's our feeling.

890
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,220
And the $50,000 a year that we're walking away from

891
01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:53,460
and utility panels.

892
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:54,420
Correct. Correct.

893
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:57,440
are essentially left behind with the other.

894
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:03,360
I think that's more reasons why the money is

895
01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:08,340
the process from the other.

896
01:09:08,540 --> 01:09:10,700
We think that's what the study will show.

897
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,420
We just have a study.

898
01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:19,550
Let me just go over next step so you kind of know what we're at.

899
01:09:19,810 --> 01:09:24,050
The next step would be to complete the study to research the disproportionate cost of rental properties

900
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:26,190
as I mentioned, this will send the cap.

901
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:29,530
It's what we can charge in, show where the disproportionate cost are.

902
01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:33,450
To refine and work out the mechanics of administering the program, the application,

903
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:36,370
And on my floor, I'm software programming procedures,

904
01:09:36,770 --> 01:09:38,610
notify owners, all that.

905
01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:41,990
What we're considering is that how we bring owners

906
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:44,630
into compliance, considering giving landlords

907
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:46,590
a discount of first year, they'll come to compliance

908
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:48,090
during the ramp up period.

909
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:51,170
Namely, putting the utilities in their name

910
01:09:51,170 --> 01:09:52,690
and registering the rental properties.

911
01:09:53,210 --> 01:09:56,730
It'd be free, and this is, again,

912
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:58,090
we'll work considering we'll look at all this,

913
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:59,570
but I mean, the first year,

914
01:09:59,570 --> 01:09:59,710
Okay.

915
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:20,860
They come in first three months, a ramping is out of the game of free first year for not making us have to go after them and try to get them registered, a fifth percent discount they do up between a month, three and six. After six months, when we're looking at it as like a July 2020 and a fiscal year, everything is fully and swing and full price to pay for anybody to come since we realized it.

916
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:26,940
So we're hoping by January to kind of have all this map down as they have a look and

917
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:31,220
be able to start the education process and get people to bring in and come to compliance

918
01:10:31,220 --> 01:10:33,260
on the administrative details.

919
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:34,620
That's kind of the time.

920
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,580
That's what we can.

921
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,480
At what point will we do the public outreach and maybe that's part of the initial study that

922
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:48,240
like science or, you know, we do, but are we going to have, like, open houses or something

923
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:48,620
we're both

924
01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:53,200
not necessarily.

925
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:54,580
Yeah, I would definitely anticipate that.

926
01:10:54,580 --> 01:11:00,840
We did done that through our sewer-based rate charts where we reached out to landlords and had those opportunities to discuss.

927
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:01,980
I see the same way.

928
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:08,060
I think once we have the study in hand, because that's really then kind of the nexus for what we're doing to see justice.

929
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,260
There's a reason we're doing this and it's because it's a cost that it can be provided.

930
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:15,420
So what that's done, I think we go through that period and be during the ramp up period,

931
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,900
but we may have some additional things to go out before the fall of this.

932
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:25,310
Anybody else in the other thoughts?

933
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:30,690
any concerns, any heartburn, any of this is given you that we can either address or look

934
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:31,150
at further.

935
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:33,130
What are you doing?

936
01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:33,890
What are you doing?

937
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:34,030
What are you doing?

938
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:36,670
So, the two big thing, help please.

939
01:11:36,970 --> 01:11:37,630
It's our one more question.

940
01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:42,230
It's artists, other cities that have done this, have there been any kind of legal battles,

941
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:46,050
any, by the other words, it's how many try to sue the city because, hey, this is my problem.

942
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,500
I was going to say the one thing I have seen is, as has been brought up, a lot more

943
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:05,150
new plexus, building new plexus for people who just move out of their house and rent

944
01:12:05,150 --> 01:12:08,070
both the top and bottom and you know follow the day.

945
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:11,330
And send me the for their address your question.

946
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:13,150
State law actually gives us this

947
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:16,480
parental license

948
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,340
for maybe related issues that they're

949
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:24,660
available.

950
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,040
It's a basic program.

951
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:28,020
I mean it's very, fairly long.

952
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:35,280
So I can summarize the two action items that we're looking to do is one begin requiring

953
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,480
the landlords keep the utilities in their names.

954
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:42,540
And then to get rid of mice, it's most of the other thing we talked about in the benefits of that.

955
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:48,240
But those are the two action items that we would be asking of landlords to come to compliance by July 2020.

956
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,100
And obviously, all those things we talked about in the ramp up period, those are specifically those two.

957
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:58,960
So in that realm, then the tenant would pay the landlord for the utility?

958
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:06,080
Would be similar with the landlord, maybe, ultimate person responsible, like, allow the other person to?

959
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,520
Yeah. In fact, Steven, you can recommend it.

960
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,820
There's a state code that specifically says, we can't get involved in the payment of utilities

961
01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:14,020
between landlords and tenants.

962
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:19,100
We would charge the landlord, how they want to build them is, we're not allowed to get involved.

963
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:22,560
Because that's, you know, I'm not sure if you're quite fully interested in the question,

964
01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:28,680
but, yeah, we can't basically say the landlord is prohibited from charging the tenant before we utilities.

965
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:31,360
That's the one thing to say what it says.

966
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,340
I would just say, if you had the lesson board on, and I was a part of these conversations.

967
01:13:37,180 --> 01:13:41,740
But then the person renting had their name on there to pay the utility.

968
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,980
And if they didn't, I wouldn't want that to be.

969
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:45,500
I don't know if that's a lie.

970
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:47,780
You could do it that way, if I wanted to.

971
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:50,000
I think that's still the theme.

972
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:51,840
That's a whole lot of the problems we're currently.

973
01:13:51,840 --> 01:14:00,840
It's good to see it in the square and then you have to go out and shut off the water and bring it back to it and have to do all those things.

974
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:02,280
But you could do it that way.

975
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,420
You could do it that way.

976
01:14:05,380 --> 01:14:06,680
You could do it that way.

977
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:08,120
You could do it that way.

978
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:08,380
Yeah.

979
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,340
I don't think they're doing both.

980
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:09,860
No, please.

981
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:13,040
So you're saying like the landlord would still be the responsible party.

982
01:14:13,660 --> 01:14:17,340
But the payment itself would be delegated to 10 if there's nothing like that.

983
01:14:17,340 --> 01:14:17,620
Yeah.

984
01:14:17,620 --> 01:14:18,340
So,

985
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:27,830
I don't know what I'm going to do, but I don't know what I'm going to do, but what I'm going to say is having it in the landlord's name.

986
01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:29,770
Yes, I need to fill two.

987
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:31,010
Yes.

988
01:14:32,110 --> 01:14:33,710
Well, I mean, potentially the difficult one comes.

989
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:35,770
We're still not turning this over every year.

990
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:36,150
Yeah.

991
01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:37,330
I think that

992
01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:50,990
it's something we've attended.

993
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:57,350
So, that's my question is, how would it actually come down to the finalizes?

994
01:14:57,790 --> 01:14:59,770
Is it straight, plan, or create it?

995
01:15:00,420 --> 01:15:04,660
That's how we see it. This is the same way of duplexing four plexiglass, but I want to get that.

996
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:09,380
But there are on my health. The pressure can't hit. Correct. Money.

997
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:15,560
I don't know. I understand. But I'm saying, are you going to have the renters name on there?

998
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:21,520
And I say, the bill goes to the renter, but if he doesn't pay, the old town person in the land.

999
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:45,660
So I'm not recommending one over the other. I'm just trying to ask you about what your plan is.

1000
01:15:45,660 --> 01:15:50,640
So our plan is we build a landlord, the landlord or somebody pays it.

1001
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,600
That's the only person we deal with is between the landlord and the tenant to work out.

1002
01:15:55,420 --> 01:15:55,660
Okay.

1003
01:15:55,860 --> 01:15:58,180
Is our system set up for a week and that has a good opportunity.

1004
01:16:01,950 --> 01:16:04,130
I think that would probably solve that.

1005
01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:08,450
And we would accept payment from the renter in the landlords.

1006
01:16:09,550 --> 01:16:09,890
Correct.

1007
01:16:11,050 --> 01:16:14,010
We have generous council members that pay the utility bills of individuals.

1008
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:15,290
We don't care who pay.

1009
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:15,710
I know.

1010
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:16,910
I wish they'd do it for me.

1011
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:24,730
But ultimately, the individual responsible for his property in question is the landlord.

1012
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:33,150
So if we ever got into a situation where a need required, for example, collections, it would be

1013
01:16:36,730 --> 01:16:38,110
simply sending a property

1014
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,940
that the property they property managed.

1015
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:47,860
Because there are people that are able to adapt to it. This does happen.

1016
01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:53,160
And that property that property management company has a separate agreement with the property owners.

1017
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:59,660
And you have to make sure the landlords understand this, correct, because this isn't how it's happening right now.

1018
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:01,940
And this is a big change.

1019
01:17:02,740 --> 01:17:04,420
No, we don't disagree on that.

1020
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:05,840
That's definitely for some of this guy.

1021
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:08,450
Yep, for operas.

1022
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:12,550
But at the same time, again, this is a business.

1023
01:17:13,690 --> 01:17:15,150
This is not about a

1024
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,100
starting to manage their respect.

1025
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:36,970
And I think, you know, Counties, in her team, we've great stepping through a lot of this.

1026
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:40,690
I'm sure there's things we'll still have to figure out to go.

1027
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:43,130
We all recognize that in the short term,

1028
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:44,690
there's going to be a lot of work to do.

1029
01:17:45,310 --> 01:17:47,550
And we just see the benefit of the long term scene

1030
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:50,570
because great is that it is financially and time-wise

1031
01:17:50,570 --> 01:17:53,330
to the city that we want to take care of.

1032
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:56,210
We talk about this every bunch of season of

1033
01:17:56,210 --> 01:17:58,990
hey, there's more demand for services in every area.

1034
01:17:59,110 --> 01:18:01,430
And 3-1-1, and in place,

1035
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:04,230
there's two ways to address that higher and more people

1036
01:18:04,230 --> 01:18:06,830
or reduce the amount of time we're spending on different things.

1037
01:18:07,210 --> 01:18:08,870
We've talked about how many people we've done that.

1038
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,050
We also are trying to look at the other side of the coin to say,

1039
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:14,410
there's also things we do that we feel like we can do

1040
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:16,890
to reduce the amount of time we're spending in these areas.

1041
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:18,970
This is a way to reduce the amount of time.

1042
01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:22,230
Rather than just, we can continue to address this problem

1043
01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:24,190
as more and more rentals that I come on by saying,

1044
01:18:24,370 --> 01:18:26,230
give us another zero of an agent, another one,

1045
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:28,890
and another one, we feel like this can kind of start

1046
01:18:28,890 --> 01:18:30,470
for a first step training.

1047
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:31,510
the world of change.

1048
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:34,850
They have also reversed the trend on the money in your lives, and in the money world,

1049
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:36,690
and you're trying to create a contract.

1050
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:40,250
And then the contract doesn't get the ability to pay.

1051
01:18:40,690 --> 01:18:45,390
We may lose money in late fees, because you know, all these ones don't have a collection

1052
01:18:45,390 --> 01:18:47,150
that late fees that we don't establish to.

1053
01:18:47,610 --> 01:18:48,890
That's a trade-off for the money.

1054
01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:52,480
All right.

1055
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:53,300
Any questions?

1056
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:54,740
Appreciate your time.

1057
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:55,580
Thank you.

1058
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,020
Thank you.

1059
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:56,700
So the presentation.

1060
01:18:58,020 --> 01:19:00,420
We'll now move on to a discussion of parking on.

1061
01:19:00,420 --> 01:19:00,840
May I?

1062
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:01,940
May I?

1063
01:19:01,940 --> 01:19:11,280
Before you move on, I just want you to know I've been on the phone the last hour and applaud the efforts of even in the team and support the directing you're heading.

1064
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,840
Good. Glad to have you on. Thanks Tom. I was the celebration for the victory.

1065
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:22,380
I'm just walking into it now so I'll rejoin your comp at Council meeting in about an hour.

1066
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:29,320
Oh, I'm sorry. I'll stay on to that.

1067
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:32,460
So we'll come back later because we wanted to do some coaches and stuff.

1068
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:34,780
but we'll work through the mechanics of the notification.

1069
01:19:35,020 --> 01:19:35,880
We'll keep you the loop.

1070
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,200
We'll just start going down this road.

1071
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:42,720
So now we have a discussion on the state street

1072
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,580
and the district by adjacent bench.

1073
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:47,040
Thank you, Mayor.

1074
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,900
As you've just kind of a brief overview of what the parking

1075
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:53,500
centers is really important.

1076
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,060
As you know, we've adopted these districts.

1077
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:59,880
Back on October, at the final four, we did a lot of changes.

1078
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:10,020
We knew going in the Department of Standards as a little high. We basically never did on the mid-town village, when it was originally built.

1079
01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:17,120
When Facebook came in at Facebook and it meant to have the ability to ask, actually, to reduce some of that part of the land for the original.

1080
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:29,200
But when we kept the original code knowing that these had some issues in the past with parking, it went through, as we looked at, we actually hired a consultant,

1081
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:36,620
We have a couple months ago, they actually came in a day report on the overall parking

1082
01:20:36,620 --> 01:20:36,900
studies.

1083
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:44,060
With that in mind, with those developers that came in that evening, we have at least five

1084
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:48,680
different public family and developers that came in that city council discussion.

1085
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:53,860
We actually had it in our office to sit down with them to see what the standards they

1086
01:20:53,860 --> 01:20:59,760
comfortable with, in addition to looking at the parking study, so we can kind of look forward

1087
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:07,160
with the proposal. It's currently required, it's 4,000 for any commercial and it's

1088
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,760
super-colding. This pertains only to the districts, and we're not talking about it,

1089
01:21:11,020 --> 01:21:14,060
and other commercial zones, and some of those properties and other districts.

1090
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,820
Now right now we require for our mixed use, and the city center, for example, 20% of any development

1091
01:21:20,820 --> 01:21:23,900
it has to be some type of commercial within that's office where you tell.

1092
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,940
And that's basically part of the quarter of a thousand.

1093
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,080
As part of that, they can use that to fly in that requirement by three.

1094
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:33,640
You get a baby with a colored base density.

1095
01:21:33,940 --> 01:21:35,260
So that number of residential units.

1096
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,400
So the hundred parking stalls are required.

1097
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:42,020
A third of that is 33 stalls can be used for the residential component.

1098
01:21:43,780 --> 01:21:50,600
And then the current, the standard for the residential part over that base is currently 2.25 stalls.

1099
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,480
or unit, and anything over three or more measures,

1100
01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:56,700
as far as I did to stop.

1101
01:21:56,900 --> 01:21:58,860
So it's pretty heavily loaded for the risk measure.

1102
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,240
So we don't have any parking issues.

1103
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,660
Of course, the risk is intervened.

1104
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,740
We can do some areas that are risk-only.

1105
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,680
It's a 2.5, and I'm trying not proposing to change

1106
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,860
that it offers to keep talking about those

1107
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:13,980
and that the ability to fix.

1108
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,140
I'm excuse to go.

1109
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,300
So the three takeaways in the afternoon parking study

1110
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:21,660
is the one that they recommended that we actually reduce the part

1111
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:24,620
in between the two and the three spaces of the balance

1112
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:25,240
and put the commercial.

1113
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,840
We're actually proposing that I know the three.

1114
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,280
They also recommended that we keep the mixed-use component

1115
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,100
on the outer base, so they can still use the shared component

1116
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:37,740
with the commercial versus a portion of that residential.

1117
01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:41,380
As part of that, so we're proposing that we keep that as part

1118
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:42,780
of this part as well.

1119
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,880
And then the final one was that they actually recommended

1120
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:53,280
that we go to a 0.75 per bed bedroom or two per unit in terms of the last.

1121
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:56,180
So if we took those two developers, we actually

1122
01:22:56,180 --> 01:23:01,440
come up purpose and we make some modifications, which basically keep

1123
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:08,360
the 300,000, but I go to the residential requirement, it looks like 75 per unit, regardless

1124
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,380
of the number of bedrooms.

1125
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:16,600
So make an average where you're seeing between single bedrooms, studios, majority of the units

1126
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,620
are usually at two bedrooms, you do have some of the three bedrooms, as you mentioned,

1127
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:23,820
the majority of the government, where you think of it, probably all the others are trying to

1128
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:27,940
correct it or wrong, but the majority of them do not build a lot of three bedrooms, which is not

1129
01:23:27,940 --> 01:23:33,540
rental or rental, they do have some, but typically, you're not looking at really large families

1130
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:37,020
living in these units, they're usually looking at the first units to go over a huge amount of

1131
01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:38,100
to better minutes.

1132
01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:40,360
So in the majority of their thoughts.

1133
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:46,240
So Jason, how does this relate to student housing?

1134
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:48,400
So this has nothing to do with student housing.

1135
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:51,880
So we're not proposing to change any standards currently for student housing.

1136
01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:54,260
We're still still be out of it about the point eight.

1137
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,400
This is simply the district's on stage.

1138
01:24:01,890 --> 01:24:06,870
to start posting upon the recommendation in the, in the part of the city was, they had two stipulations.

1139
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:12,910
One, as we've done with the green on the University of White and Catholic,

1140
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:16,710
is that they don't charge additional part of the rent for the parking stall.

1141
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:19,490
So, it has to be included in the rent.

1142
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:23,010
So, they've thought that if we're going to go down to this lower standard,

1143
01:24:23,310 --> 01:24:24,390
that that basically is stipulations.

1144
01:24:24,610 --> 01:24:26,530
And if they're going to, they need to bundle the rent.

1145
01:24:26,710 --> 01:24:27,810
They can't have a rent.

1146
01:24:28,150 --> 01:24:31,390
And then they charge for additional part because people are not being out of that.

1147
01:24:31,390 --> 01:24:32,610
I'm part of them in the Netherlands.

1148
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:36,630
So there's a window how many complexes actually do that?

1149
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:39,770
I mean, I'm a word problem now that's done in that.

1150
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:48,010
But I know that the green on campus drive was not doing that.

1151
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:48,710
They can't.

1152
01:24:48,850 --> 01:24:50,950
Because we basically took this language out of the woods.

1153
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:52,290
They're closing in this language.

1154
01:24:53,010 --> 01:24:57,350
We have, again, I told the Democratic Commission basically said they do want some of their products.

1155
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:58,310
Do you charge for that?

1156
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:59,550
Because of the performance difference.

1157
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:12,440
Financing issues, they do that, but they don't think it's possible for them to actually have that somehow in the report where they can actually bundle it and they get it still included rather than having that set for sure.

1158
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:19,920
But the potential, they start from part of the issue is that if they have potential getting out of a lot of chance, may choose not to pay for that argument.

1159
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:24,140
I think themselves on a public street, which is kind of the issue that we have with some of these parties.

1160
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:37,840
So they run through hyper-referts and end the mid-charge from cover-party and our response to that was what we needed was that without the mid-strep to not have a separate charge.

1161
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:44,000
So the way that we're in this reasoning required required, so they required the 150 dollars and they provide 200.

1162
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,860
It could charge, actually, if we mean over the level of the required.

1163
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:53,720
Any of things required for that mean, so 1.5 or 1.75 is required that you only cannot charge it.

1164
01:25:53,720 --> 01:26:07,800
But if you're charging as part of rent, you can't then pull that out and say, all right, if you're not going to do it, if you're not parking, you don't have to pay that high rent, you can pay a lower rent.

1165
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:15,100
But what we're trying to do is to put the stock, if you want to clean it up, it's over

1166
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:16,940
and the problem is to try it and do it with the stock.

1167
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:22,380
So we did actually look at several projects.

1168
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:23,600
There's five projects.

1169
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:24,980
You're just wondering what's going on.

1170
01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:27,280
I'm putting more of it.

1171
01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:28,620
Is there anyone's best?

1172
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,640
What we did is we took the existing current code and proposed code.

1173
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,560
I looked at a pair of some of them we did.

1174
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:39,260
And there is one in the fourth, 14 people south of the project.

1175
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:43,560
And when he's got a sausage, that's where we're going to boil it in warm water.

1176
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:46,200
Based on the next step, we're going to boil it.

1177
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:49,460
So they have a lot of students with one bedroom versus a two bedroom next.

1178
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,000
So now we're going to boil it in the water.

1179
01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:53,160
So the lower the ratio of the higher the parking action.

1180
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,580
The parking ratio is going to kind of hit the middle of a two bedroom unit.

1181
01:26:57,740 --> 01:26:59,020
It's kind of the average of three.

1182
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:05,000
So the whole area is about to boil it in 75 when we're just going to boil it.

1183
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,540
But that's a crucial thing.

1184
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:12,180
So I was at your proposed dealing with that, where it's higher and lower and lower.

1185
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,320
If that was, how were they coming today?

1186
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,240
So they're not going back trying to enforce enough,

1187
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,340
because it's a new project, it's a new project.

1188
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,680
This is a form of comparison of how many,

1189
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:26,840
as standard of relate to existing projects that have.

1190
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:29,980
Hopefully, it would give a reduction of, like, say,

1191
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,500
7.3.3.3.3.

1192
01:27:31,540 --> 01:27:33,700
As we talked in the village, you know,

1193
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:38,460
But then, as you can see, the product is really, really important to have a style, this is kind of a meaning.

1194
01:27:39,660 --> 01:27:41,700
The average of where we can work up a little bit.

1195
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,360
In the event, the beginning of the project, you can start to understand it doesn't work,

1196
01:27:45,580 --> 01:27:47,400
and obviously we'll be back to discuss it.

1197
01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:50,760
I mean, I think this is a point of view style.

1198
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:54,740
So, I mean, on the 19th, when you're north-state, I think there's a major problem,

1199
01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:56,260
as you're part of the right now.

1200
01:27:56,980 --> 01:28:00,160
So, now you're not even going to get another 10%.

1201
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,940
But it was very smart for me to be seen now.

1202
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,940
It was because they were starting to try to make it

1203
01:28:04,940 --> 01:28:06,400
to try to be a first cultural structure.

1204
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,600
I mean, I go back there, it's still part of the industry.

1205
01:28:09,580 --> 01:28:11,340
And I have seen that to you, that there's been a stalls

1206
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:12,300
on the side of it.

1207
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,820
And sometimes, it's, you can't really lay in your search.

1208
01:28:16,660 --> 01:28:18,460
So sometimes, people will park on street

1209
01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:20,020
because of course, they're here in a grocery store,

1210
01:28:20,180 --> 01:28:20,960
and they're here in a grocery store.

1211
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,100
So that's a chance to be run into any apartment on

1212
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:31,920
this street.

1213
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,980
So we're going to have a majority of the developments,

1214
01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:35,360
hopefully, within the district.

1215
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,520
mixed with a commercial. There are going to be so much on the edge that could have like a month

1216
01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:46,940
fall, could spill over. And the point of having that part of the rent, where they can't

1217
01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:50,640
split it up, like somebody can't opt out to pay for that part, and they have to have the

1218
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,420
group within also give them the ability to part on side to choose to, if somebody wants the

1219
01:28:55,420 --> 01:29:00,080
part out of the tree, they could. And this would be a red line at all, they could create them for

1220
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,800
a new man. And there is some businesses across the street, in that case, love those,

1221
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,280
to do

1222
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,060
that as well, not necessarily all times.

1223
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:15,020
Do it at least to help keep them out of the way.

1224
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,080
Well, it's pretty strongly to ask the group.

1225
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:26,520
That's kind of one thing that

1226
01:29:28,570 --> 01:29:31,170
we have the ability to have that argument they can opt out.

1227
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:32,430
And they will.

1228
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:35,070
Some other mechanisms.

1229
01:29:39,700 --> 01:29:43,000
But a couple of weeks ago, they've given formal recommendations.

1230
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,920
This will come 41 in eighth.

1231
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:59,010
It's hard because every development is different depending on the mix.

1232
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:59,950
I'm going to read that.

1233
01:30:01,070 --> 01:30:08,250
One better, and then how do you incorporate the tenet mix, which may have two people with cars in one unit?

1234
01:30:08,350 --> 01:30:14,070
Somebody with one, somebody with three. So it's kind of where we found, we're trying to get a moving target.

1235
01:30:14,930 --> 01:30:18,770
And with this, the first development will come in and we're going to find out through works.

1236
01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:24,830
And if it does in the meeting, we need to tweak it. But it's kind of, there's no science behind it.

1237
01:30:26,110 --> 01:30:27,750
It's a vast gas solution.

1238
01:30:27,850 --> 01:30:30,030
It just depends on how many companies it comes in.

1239
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:31,750
It comes in as long as you walk in better units.

1240
01:30:32,110 --> 01:30:33,250
So we're going to meet them back, Jesus.

1241
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:35,450
To go in your red line.

1242
01:30:38,050 --> 01:30:38,830
It's the right, right there.

1243
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:43,010
So if you look here, it's 2.75 and that was 0.25.

1244
01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:44,390
And that was 0.25.

1245
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:45,490
I was for visitor party.

1246
01:30:45,730 --> 01:30:47,450
So now you've added from 0.75.

1247
01:30:48,810 --> 01:30:49,020
0.10.

1248
01:30:49,870 --> 01:30:50,190
0.5.

1249
01:30:50,430 --> 01:30:51,130
It was a 10%.

1250
01:30:51,370 --> 01:30:56,520
So if you have two people over there, you're already over your party.

1251
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:57,820
It's going to be screwed.

1252
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:03,640
It's going to be a mix of landlords managing, or the others managing.

1253
01:31:05,060 --> 01:31:06,240
I don't know, I don't like takable apartments.

1254
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,540
So to give you an idea, seeing the bill is on,

1255
01:31:13,340 --> 01:31:14,220
they think this is

1256
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:23,980
meant, and they have 60

1257
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:26,220
%.

1258
01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:33,030
So we feel like we've kind of, because we have some developers telling this, telling us that this is important.

1259
01:31:33,390 --> 01:31:33,670
We have other,

1260
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,740
we kind of feel like we haven't been all the way to do with the developers.

1261
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,060
Well, I'm an adult, run it.

1262
01:31:40,940 --> 01:31:42,940
I can get down the parking, I can get more buildings, whatever.

1263
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:51,040
At very good point, at very good point, I co-low as it's going to us that they don't

1264
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,440
they won't build something that they can't park, that they feel they can't be.

1265
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:01,840
And this ratio is,

1266
01:32:07,930 --> 01:32:10,110
we do have some big developments that

1267
01:32:13,210 --> 01:32:16,320
decide if a monobrol on a

1268
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,400
more metal bowl is

1269
01:32:19,610 --> 01:32:24,910
this wrong. It's not like we can experiment. Those are too big to get it wrong.

1270
01:32:25,090 --> 01:32:27,330
Part of it, it makes it be a don't have, and

1271
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:32,140
when we take it kind of the basis of a

1272
01:32:32,140 --> 01:32:33,120
the ability to really have

1273
01:32:35,290 --> 01:32:38,730
that even times when the office is gone and will be still over

1274
01:32:38,730 --> 01:32:43,550
the parking is provided by that mix, which is required. They have to do that 20%

1275
01:32:43,550 --> 01:32:46,510
commercial. They're going to have that number of stallings that are going to be able to

1276
01:32:46,510 --> 01:32:49,490
shift. When they leave in the morning, that's going to be open then for the

1277
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:53,030
commercial to use during the day. So there is going to be some sort of right now that the

1278
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:57,330
month-all and the other projects don't wrap up now. The only one we have is we can compare it

1279
01:32:57,330 --> 01:33:00,990
with the mid-town village, but seems to be working well the way that it's designed because it

1280
01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:05,710
that flexibility with that commercial. And that's what the people are holding is that because we're

1281
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:10,710
required of that commercial and that actually our needs will be shared and we'll be able to

1282
01:33:10,710 --> 01:33:13,150
potentially mitigate that spillover in the

1283
01:33:17,340 --> 01:33:18,420
end of your business development

1284
01:33:22,620 --> 01:33:23,560
investment in our

1285
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,300
being as so extreme. So I've re-converged other cities.

1286
01:33:32,980 --> 01:33:34,440
I've talked with Morgan with

1287
01:33:35,660 --> 01:33:44,320
when you're in here, and they're in their way into art so they think this is-

1288
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:49,460
They went to the very role, they're kicking everybody out, but...

1289
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:52,040
The problem with that as well, they went to a kind of a low standard.

1290
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,920
They kind of adjust that background.

1291
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:55,520
Transitation tool, they're not going to have them.

1292
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:56,780
They're going to have them in the South of Canada.

1293
01:33:57,380 --> 01:33:59,980
They're going to have to have a really good kind of conversational.

1294
01:34:00,020 --> 01:34:01,440
How many developers do you complain?

1295
01:34:03,710 --> 01:34:04,410
How many of them are all playing?

1296
01:34:04,410 --> 01:34:04,530
How many of them are playing?

1297
01:34:04,970 --> 01:34:07,730
What is their coming and looking at these vacant properties in the district?

1298
01:34:08,350 --> 01:34:11,370
It's a pretty high standard and it means as far as the low we have now.

1299
01:34:12,570 --> 01:34:20,370
So we could err on the side of having to which part of which staff agreed at the beginning that's err on the side of part of an adjusted court.

1300
01:34:20,930 --> 01:34:23,670
Now we're having developers coming to say, you'll be lucky to develop it.

1301
01:34:23,710 --> 01:34:24,710
It's just right on the edge.

1302
01:34:25,090 --> 01:34:25,650
Too much parking.

1303
01:34:26,090 --> 01:34:27,090
Therefore it's not really working.

1304
01:34:27,970 --> 01:34:30,750
So let's get to a different, more reasonable stand.

1305
01:34:30,970 --> 01:34:31,670
And I think it's staff.

1306
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:34,950
As part of the study shows and as developers.

1307
01:34:35,310 --> 01:34:36,770
I agree, this is kind of the background.

1308
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:38,830
I think all agreed.

1309
01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:40,250
The other basically is the mission.

1310
01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:40,770
It's

1311
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:53,740
going to take obviously the council's agreement to be forward knowing that it's not a perfect science.

1312
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,800
It's not that we can't.

1313
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,120
We'll see if we should have laid them forward.

1314
01:35:00,460 --> 01:35:05,160
And we worked together good as a team to come up with the solutions that we thought would work.

1315
01:35:06,700 --> 01:35:16,020
Now, we may be kind of, we should be involved a little bit, but I think we're hearing on this side of still having a look at it.

1316
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:25,020
We've created a model where we can go on a minute to weigh on how many three bedrooms, two bedrooms and one bedroom room and a development.

1317
01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:30,140
The development that's heavy on one bedroom, you actually, you run the single-class apartment.

1318
01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:34,040
The development heavy on three bedrooms is where you can't be getting to trouble.

1319
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:41,940
But in the market right now, very few three bedrooms are even being built, so we're anticipating mostly one-two bedrooms.

1320
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:44,820
So we think that

1321
01:35:47,410 --> 01:35:51,770
the key in the home, I think we all feel, is you can't charge it.

1322
01:35:52,370 --> 01:35:57,590
If you do, down at the metal gold site, some of you are going to be part of the blocker

1323
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:58,910
two away and then you

1324
01:36:01,410 --> 01:36:04,150
need to have that commercial component and

1325
01:36:07,730 --> 01:36:08,750
extra trucks for

1326
01:36:14,540 --> 01:36:18,940
probably the 10-year storm level or the 100-year storm level.

1327
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:25,400
It seems kind of like we're shifting a little more from the 100-year storm level, maybe closer

1328
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:30,460
to the 10-year, and as far as you think, if you have a shopping mall, for example, if you

1329
01:36:30,460 --> 01:36:35,220
don't call you parking based off a flat Friday. That's like one or two days out of the year.

1330
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:48,360
And a Friday mile, if you will, because there's like people will still have cars.

1331
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:51,160
It just might not use them as much.

1332
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,760
They're trips per day, maybe lower, because they're in a walking distance to

1333
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:03,030
add analogy,

1334
01:37:03,250 --> 01:37:04,550
because people are still going to have

1335
01:37:06,820 --> 01:37:07,060
coffee.

1336
01:37:07,060 --> 01:37:09,200
You found through the study is that

1337
01:37:13,010 --> 01:37:15,110
not everybody's going to have two drivers.

1338
01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:19,940
There's a certain ratio.

1339
01:37:19,940 --> 01:37:24,960
But again, it's not an exact science, but it is one of those things where we meet so many comparisons,

1340
01:37:29,020 --> 01:37:31,140
our area, where we are pretty comfortable.

1341
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,120
In the studies that you've seen, I'll tell you, they did it.

1342
01:37:56,700 --> 01:38:01,340
But I think there is some reformal room where we're actually providing copy or requiring a low too much part.

1343
01:38:04,420 --> 01:38:07,820
I'll tell you back to hopefully in the background where we can gather me in your project.

1344
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,240
It's going to stress me a little bit.

1345
01:38:09,340 --> 01:38:12,740
I think the story is going to be on lower than having a part.

1346
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:18,970
Here comes the

1347
01:38:21,370 --> 01:38:21,950
show of Jason.

1348
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:27,770
One would go to the second grant, do you want to do a sort of report on your responsibilities?

1349
01:38:34,330 --> 01:38:35,290
You're top of commission.

1350
01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:42,470
I've been to sign the Historic Preservation Commission, which is a working progress.

1351
01:38:45,260 --> 01:38:47,600
We're going to take it that far more better.

1352
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:51,150
Yeah.

1353
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:51,870
That's down the moment.

1354
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,280
Also the youth council.

1355
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,200
And I really enjoyed

1356
01:39:03,370 --> 01:39:04,830
getting to add something like this.

1357
01:39:04,830 --> 01:39:11,110
And I was in high school, instead of the activities we did.

1358
01:39:16,150 --> 01:39:16,810
I'm not afraid of that.

1359
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:21,850
But Steve and the great, they do a great job.

1360
01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:27,750
Some people they teach in the city works out the government works.

1361
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:33,230
And I think that I think they have sessions with most of the department.

1362
01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:36,630
It's sort of activities where they understand what they're doing.

1363
01:39:36,630 --> 01:39:40,110
And of course, the major slave data and February,

1364
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:45,030
they participate in how pills are created and passed.

1365
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:50,360
One thing that I really enjoyed this last spring was the

1366
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:51,340
the mock court.

1367
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:57,610
Greg said that was just like the first year of law school assault.

1368
01:40:01,140 --> 01:40:08,280
And we have a good opportunity to put on a mock court for the young people. It was a lot of fun.

1369
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:11,240
Right, were you the judge of what were you?

1370
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:11,800
Is that what?

1371
01:40:12,020 --> 01:40:13,460
Were you the judge of what were you?

1372
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,140
No, if just the kids ate them.

1373
01:40:17,180 --> 01:40:19,600
I just served for all of them.

1374
01:40:21,940 --> 01:40:27,100
And as all of us know, it's open to the warm, tip of no, just amount of new and high school students,

1375
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,980
and we're starting that back up.

1376
01:40:33,460 --> 01:40:37,140
Anyway, and how many students do you get involved in this coming out?

1377
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,600
Well, different months, you know, like the legislative session.

1378
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,220
We've only had all of us involved in them.

1379
01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:46,420
The month for

1380
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:49,140
dinner.

1381
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:55,340
We didn't have this back inside up this year as we could last year.

1382
01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:16,580
Anyway, it was a lot of fun for me as well, and I learned a lot.

1383
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:24,820
The other commission on over is the senior Citizens Advisory Commission and Kate

1384
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:28,160
Bradford today.

1385
01:41:28,340 --> 01:41:32,060
She's chairman of that commission and she's a youth council.

1386
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:33,500
So, we should start with that.

1387
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:35,540
But I'm a little joy.

1388
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:39,600
They have good participation in that commission.

1389
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,580
I think they always have a corner of the pretty close to it.

1390
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:43,660
Carl's always there.

1391
01:41:45,220 --> 01:41:49,040
Yeah, it's a sport work.

1392
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,880
They have, I think, over thirty-four hundred members, is that right?

1393
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,780
Senior, a similar number there.

1394
01:42:00,340 --> 01:42:01,880
And are we one of the bigger ones?

1395
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,960
I think we are the biggest one there.

1396
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:04,600
We are.

1397
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:08,520
So they're doing a great job over there.

1398
01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:12,900
Do they have anything with the center?

1399
01:42:13,740 --> 01:42:15,140
Are they in a doctor care?

1400
01:42:16,220 --> 01:42:17,180
I'm proud of the way they're there.

1401
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:18,920
They're handling it very well.

1402
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,680
The sticking point right now is we're using the

1403
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:23,880
the ballroom for

1404
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:27,860
me to hot or

1405
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:34,760
not to fight that happy meat.

1406
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,300
Keep them on the shelf.

1407
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,460
In that, so in the building, but everything else I think is for people.

1408
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:46,760
I have top of senior citizens and participants over there and, you know, there are a few

1409
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:50,420
rumbles, but I think it's for people who always work with you.

1410
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,020
I think it's for people who find, friends can't smooth it out by handing out one

1411
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:56,940
I think he can tour the link and squeeze it out of the link.

1412
01:42:59,380 --> 01:43:04,200
In July, they served over 1,000 lunches,

1413
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:06,940
and in the winter, I don't think that goes up forward.

1414
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:13,660
And if anyone has not been to the Grammy Awards,

1415
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,060
please go to the Grammy Awards,

1416
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:18,020
and when has it?

1417
01:43:18,940 --> 01:43:22,680
Frank Sinatra is in the MC's, the Sunday.

1418
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,780
If movies, watercolor groups,

1419
01:43:27,780 --> 01:43:32,420
personal history, literature classes, and I've seen

1420
01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:35,500
table there a couple of times in that belly dance class.

1421
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:39,500
I think it might even see that.

1422
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,720
I mean, Carla, you didn't really hold those up.

1423
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,940
I think that would be

1424
01:43:49,580 --> 01:43:50,580
a great job over there.

1425
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:53,900
And it's full permission to be

1426
01:43:57,970 --> 01:43:58,370
part of it.

1427
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:59,810
Any questions with your comments?

1428
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:04,840
What are your questions?

1429
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:09,620
That is a fun day.

1430
01:44:10,140 --> 01:44:10,540
A few hours.

1431
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:11,040
A few hours.

1432
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:11,900
Yeah.

1433
01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:13,340
Yeah.

1434
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:15,220
And Flamingo Day is good too.

1435
01:44:17,410 --> 01:44:18,210
She was dressed up.

1436
01:44:18,230 --> 01:44:20,370
I didn't even know how much she was for about an hour.

1437
01:44:28,090 --> 01:44:29,510
Well, thank you for your service there.

1438
01:44:29,850 --> 01:44:30,270
You're sure that.

1439
01:44:31,310 --> 01:44:35,790
So why don't we go ahead and have a prayer with the food, and then we'll go over our agenda

1440
01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:37,450
and also a prayer with the food.

1441
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:44,440
Our dear Heavenly Father, we thank the food that's provided at this time.

1442
01:44:45,220 --> 01:44:59,940
I'd like to say that we serve in and to the residents, we look here, thankful for the good families that are here, thankful for our city and staff and good work that they do, pray that I might bless.

1443
01:45:00,590 --> 01:45:14,150
Our efforts and city staff efforts and those who work police and fire and those who are residents to continue to build a better city and a great city and make it a great place to raise families.

1444
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:16,790
We say there's something in the name of Jesus Christ.

1445
01:51:32,380 --> 01:51:38,160
I had to go to court and I was a little more busy than I thought.

1446
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:47,100
I had to get in the morning and set a raise when we were at the Senate, I was a little bit sadder than I did that.

1447
01:51:48,140 --> 01:51:51,880
I had to get a lot of things under the water, so I went to the office.

1448
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,920
What are we doing? I was like, what are we doing?

1449
01:51:56,980 --> 01:51:59,240
I did not want to see what was going on, actually.

1450
01:51:59,240 --> 01:51:59,800
I don't know what you're saying.

1451
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:02,220
I don't know what you're saying.

1452
01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:04,540
As a word, it's all the way.

1453
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:06,900
I don't have the word.

1454
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,680
I don't know what I'm saying.

1455
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:10,960
I've been to a lot of different places.

1456
01:52:12,340 --> 01:52:13,600
I was in my house.

1457
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:14,540
I was in my house.

1458
01:52:17,180 --> 01:52:18,200
I'm also having a mother.

1459
01:52:19,300 --> 01:52:20,160
We go home.

1460
01:52:20,380 --> 01:52:20,920
I wash it.

1461
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:22,960
I don't know what the name is.

1462
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:23,940
Yeah.

1463
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,520
To tell my name, we can do it.

1464
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,280
There was a similar one.

1465
01:54:39,580 --> 01:54:42,460
But you know we can't do this.

1466
01:54:42,700 --> 01:54:44,340
But we're not going to need a lot of things.

1467
01:54:44,660 --> 01:54:46,420
We're going to need some information.

1468
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:48,680
We're going to need a full kick kick.

1469
01:54:49,260 --> 01:54:50,320
Yeah, I don't hold it.

1470
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:52,300
I don't know if that's a special show.

1471
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,160
It won't be a good one.

1472
01:54:54,420 --> 01:54:55,980
But we're going to have to worry on it, of course.

1473
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:57,820
It won't be a bad one.

1474
01:54:57,820 --> 01:54:58,660
We can't pull over that.

1475
01:54:59,080 --> 01:54:59,900
Action out of me.

1476
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:18,560
I'm a little bit more on the end. It's been a working project. So, you have one of us who is currently, who may have else who is here.

1477
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:21,540
I think that's a question that's not true.

1478
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:23,120
It's not true. It's not true.

1479
01:55:25,500 --> 01:55:26,760
It's not true.

1480
01:55:27,340 --> 01:55:31,000
Yeah. It's actually true. It's not true. It's not true.

1481
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:31,780
We don't check the screen.

1482
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:33,420
No, it's not true.

1483
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:35,220
It's not true. It's not true.

1484
01:55:36,220 --> 01:55:38,000
It's not true. It's not true.

1485
01:55:42,730 --> 01:55:43,290
It's not true.

1486
01:56:24,350 --> 01:56:24,830
730.

1487
01:56:26,350 --> 01:56:27,990
Okay, my heart's really total.

1488
01:56:29,210 --> 01:56:29,730
Oh, John, okay.

1489
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:31,210
I think we need it.

1490
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:31,710
You're correct.

1491
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:32,850
We want to take on it.

1492
01:56:33,170 --> 01:56:33,370
I don't know.

1493
01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:44,080
I won't take it.

1494
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:44,660
We'll take it.

1495
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:46,200
No, we'll take it.

1496
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:46,440
You know.

1497
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:47,360
I'm 100.

1498
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:48,940
I'm 100.

1499
01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:50,380
I hate sports.

1500
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:51,260
I hate scenemy tricks.

1501
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:52,100
Well really?

1502
01:56:52,420 --> 01:56:53,080
I need to read.

1503
01:56:53,580 --> 01:56:54,040
I need to.

1504
01:56:54,460 --> 01:56:55,200
I got a count.

1505
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:55,840
The weight.

1506
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:56,360
The weight.

1507
01:56:56,740 --> 01:56:57,220
That's correct.

1508
01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:58,480
I got a count.

1509
01:56:58,480 --> 01:56:58,740
I got a count.

1510
01:57:29,220 --> 01:57:32,400
I'm not saying anything.

1511
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:32,440
Yeah.

1512
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:32,580
What?

1513
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:34,100
No, I have my course.

1514
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:35,380
I'm getting a good talent.

1515
01:57:35,580 --> 01:57:36,120
Where do you live?

1516
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:37,260
We don't call it.

1517
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,060
I just, yeah.

1518
01:57:38,460 --> 01:57:39,020
I don't get a good answer.

1519
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:40,060
I don't get a good answer.

1520
01:57:40,540 --> 01:57:42,660
If you live that way, I say, where that's what?

1521
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,800
It's not just better when you have to do something urgent.

1522
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:46,820
This is where do I say where do you live?

1523
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:48,020
That's what we live by.

1524
01:57:48,060 --> 01:57:49,580
I don't think we can see what goes about.

1525
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:50,920
Is that what we have to do?

1526
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:52,460
6th and 9th and 12th.

1527
01:57:53,180 --> 01:57:54,320
Okay, but it's a week.

1528
01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:55,700
We just did it in the road.

1529
01:57:57,660 --> 01:58:01,260
So you come out and you can't see if we can go the hill.

1530
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,500
Looking at my studies, I think we want to see that.

1531
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:06,780
Yeah, it's probably not the hill.

1532
01:58:07,580 --> 01:58:11,140
It's probably, it's kind of of a strife, it's a term market or not.

1533
01:58:11,380 --> 01:58:13,420
Yeah, it looks, it's the wood.

1534
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:15,320
I saw a genesis.

1535
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:17,720
I'll look at it.

1536
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,020
I think it's a bit of a dangerous thing.

1537
01:58:20,940 --> 01:58:22,040
I think I remember that.

1538
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:59,920
It's what we're going to do, and it's what we're going to do.

1539
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:00,500
It's what we're going to do, and it's what we're going to do.

1540
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:01,740
It doesn't yet, we're good.

1541
01:59:02,540 --> 01:59:04,020
We need to read your 9-day and 1-day.

1542
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,860
9-50 is going to work in case of you at the junior high.

1543
01:59:07,220 --> 01:59:08,920
And we're wrapping up all of this, and it looks like that.

1544
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:10,280
That's what it says.

1545
01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:13,200
It's like a little cider.

1546
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:14,000
It's like a baby.

1547
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:15,380
That's interesting.

1548
01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:17,620
Can you keep your hot pot, though?

1549
01:59:18,380 --> 01:59:20,040
It's almost all the way down, but it needs to be better.

1550
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:22,980
That's the making, rather, of his time.

1551
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:23,480
Yeah.

1552
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,840
We should just deep that through the school, okay.

1553
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:28,920
All right, I think we're on the spot.

1554
01:59:31,260 --> 01:59:32,040
Close the door.

1555
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:32,960
Close the door.

1556
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:33,720
They got a job here.

1557
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:34,260
It's a great job.

1558
01:59:36,260 --> 01:59:37,200
To take the issues.

1559
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,140
You're going to have to read the list.

1560
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:40,260
Are you sending in now?

1561
01:59:40,380 --> 01:59:40,640
I will.

1562
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:41,220
The box.

1563
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:42,300
I have no idea.

1564
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:43,800
It's not so nice.

1565
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:44,400
Or not.

1566
01:59:44,660 --> 01:59:44,760
But

1567
01:59:58,200 --> 01:59:58,600
let it warm.

1568
01:59:59,140 --> 01:59:59,580
Yeah.

1569
02:05:01,710 --> 02:05:04,390
I'm Harvest in the Court. Prepared in the chair,

1570
02:05:07,530 --> 02:05:34,030
hospital, HC. I'll go toe to the tent. We have a city warm. I'm put solve court, ribbon cutting and police picnic at Geneva Park and five days in the M. State. Do we know who's coming down? Is the lawyer coming for that? The lawyer will be there. Mary, who's kind of there. Overall, she's been a little over her, because she'll be there. There will be some players there. Okay.

1571
02:05:34,990 --> 02:05:38,750
They're trying to arrange the house and you use the soccer teams to come.

1572
02:05:39,110 --> 02:05:42,310
So we're going to get into coverage on Harold with some pictures.

1573
02:05:42,430 --> 02:05:44,950
Yeah, yeah, I imagine so for sure.

1574
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:47,230
Right. So it should be exciting.

1575
02:05:47,730 --> 02:05:49,290
It's going to be, it's going to be pretty good.

1576
02:05:49,370 --> 02:05:51,390
You can even get on a GB channel without one.

1577
02:05:51,490 --> 02:05:52,570
You might be able to log 13.

1578
02:05:52,830 --> 02:05:53,990
I think I'll love that.

1579
02:05:54,090 --> 02:05:55,590
You too will be there for sure.

1580
02:05:58,570 --> 02:06:00,650
I don't know, really.

1581
02:06:01,150 --> 02:06:02,650
You said you too is playing here too.

1582
02:06:04,810 --> 02:06:10,730
So October the 12th of the City of War and Waste Manage of Intelligent Truck, 10 to 2 p.m. took

1583
02:06:10,730 --> 02:06:16,650
another tie and I appreciate all of you sent back when you were able to help surface appreciate that.

1584
02:06:17,410 --> 02:06:18,350
That's always a great thing.

1585
02:06:18,530 --> 02:06:20,930
Look forward to cooking $200,000.

1586
02:06:23,250 --> 02:06:25,590
October the 12th of Utah Valley University,

1587
02:06:25,590 --> 02:06:33,010
The President of the Scholarship all 531, the U.C.C.U. Center in the business trip.

1588
02:06:39,220 --> 02:06:44,940
We have the library giving us their missionary work, the same name.

1589
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:49,660
We're from the Senate.

1590
02:06:49,660 --> 02:06:55,160
I don't know if we have approval of the City Meeting minutes, October 27th and September

1591
02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:56,420
30th.

1592
02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:01,780
Council work sessions do those 19 city managers appointments,

1593
02:07:04,700 --> 02:07:05,680
maybe you want to mention anything

1594
02:07:09,410 --> 02:07:12,990
One of them is an appointment of a planning commissioner.

1595
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:15,990
Hey, some.

1596
02:07:16,010 --> 02:07:17,530
What kind of spot does he take?

1597
02:07:18,130 --> 02:07:19,210
Take a moment.

1598
02:07:20,290 --> 02:07:22,630
Okay, so there are moments when I'm coming on the time.

1599
02:07:22,850 --> 02:07:23,470
I'm going to set a year.

1600
02:07:24,430 --> 02:07:25,790
And I know he was chairman.

1601
02:07:26,830 --> 02:07:31,910
So he comes obviously well-recommended as well as a lot of experience.

1602
02:07:32,830 --> 02:07:35,050
And obviously this is a son or a long stage recorder.

1603
02:07:35,050 --> 02:07:39,410
So you can be a great fit for the commission.

1604
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:44,450
Board of Building and Fire Code appeals has met.

1605
02:07:45,490 --> 02:07:48,850
Three times in twice in 27 years,

1606
02:07:50,430 --> 02:07:53,110
but there is a requirement that we staff that board it.

1607
02:07:53,770 --> 02:07:56,610
So this is in a point three appointment of Mr. Frisbee

1608
02:07:56,610 --> 02:07:58,690
to serve as a member of that committee.

1609
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:02,460
Okay.

1610
02:08:02,460 --> 02:08:04,920
I have five questions to begin.

1611
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:06,340
Okay.

1612
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:21,500
Then we have an ordinance and many city code to reflect with change from department of the administrative services to the finance departments, and then we have a new finance department director, Brian and Malcolm.

1613
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:35,180
Yes, so both of these items are essentially formalizing changes within the administrative services department to the finance department, as well as brands and Queen and as the financial director.

1614
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:43,160
And is everybody good with those appointments, not only Brandon, but also as some of them

1615
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:43,680
does.

1616
02:08:44,680 --> 02:08:44,820
Okay.

1617
02:08:45,380 --> 02:08:46,300
I don't know step a bit.

1618
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,080
But he's being disappointed every 27 years.

1619
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:52,800
He must have done a good job.

1620
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:55,380
He's getting better.

1621
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:56,460
He'll be called in a circle.

1622
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,740
He knows he doesn't feel a little bit.

1623
02:09:00,340 --> 02:09:00,860
Okay.

1624
02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:05,820
And just so we know the city reporter will administer the office.

1625
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:06,600
Correct.

1626
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:08,580
the brand and the right after

1627
02:09:16,610 --> 02:09:18,410
we've done a big force.

1628
02:09:18,890 --> 02:09:19,090
Exactly.

1629
02:09:19,570 --> 02:09:20,530
Promise to available.

1630
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:23,280
You don't cook in the books.

1631
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:26,000
OK.

1632
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:28,300
On our schedule items, first one is a public hearing.

1633
02:09:28,440 --> 02:09:29,040
It's an ordinance.

1634
02:09:29,740 --> 02:09:32,020
And then they appendix you, the arm sitting code,

1635
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,660
by updating the tree requirements and all zombies.

1636
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:37,500
Jason, you're a presenter.

1637
02:09:38,060 --> 02:09:40,320
Because a few minor adjustments to the things

1638
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:42,580
in the district, the tree selection requirements,

1639
02:09:42,820 --> 02:09:44,220
are standing a couple of trees in each of these.

1640
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:49,110
As in the type of tree, or a type of tree,

1641
02:09:49,110 --> 02:09:55,130
We found there were a couple that were difficult to find, and this region, which we actually worked with ours for the first three months.

1642
02:09:57,980 --> 02:09:59,960
One of them, he particularly wanted to plant along the way.

1643
02:10:12,930 --> 02:10:26,230
Section 226-10I, and standard land use, code 4832, for water storage tanks, and the pennants A of the orange city code, pertaining to water storage tanks.

1644
02:10:26,230 --> 02:10:31,810
So there's just the ability for the city, or since we've done a lot of that, it has to be a

1645
02:10:31,810 --> 02:10:36,690
publicly obtained to build below the current, the elevation that we have on water tanks on the

1646
02:10:36,690 --> 02:10:41,530
field, and the lighter of the two water tanks that we make, or maybe on the bigger

1647
02:10:41,530 --> 02:10:41,990
vehicle.

1648
02:10:42,570 --> 02:10:44,470
So this is the key to the ability attack.

1649
02:10:44,670 --> 02:10:48,390
What does that allow us to acquire with the landscape at the end of that?

1650
02:10:48,970 --> 02:10:52,830
So Jamie, any update on the water search tank situation?

1651
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:54,210
Yes.

1652
02:10:54,210 --> 02:10:57,390
And I will defer to a break on that.

1653
02:10:57,430 --> 02:11:01,210
Since I've ran in crisis, I feel I have the working on this.

1654
02:11:02,190 --> 02:11:03,130
That deal.

1655
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:06,530
I continue to meet with that school.

1656
02:11:06,530 --> 02:11:09,500
This chain of arms work.

1657
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:17,050
And we actually met with a new one in this week.

1658
02:11:18,930 --> 02:11:21,630
And to this point, you've been doing some more details.

1659
02:11:21,630 --> 02:11:26,490
And the appraisals on the different properties that we like to do.

1660
02:11:26,830 --> 02:11:31,310
This is an exceptionally swap or trade in order to, ultimately,

1661
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:38,480
over the, I guess, the

1662
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:47,960
optimal location from a cost of 42 individuals that gets us close to the main line

1663
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:50,580
or four south, where those, the west,

1664
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:55,160
the fields, or the west,

1665
02:12:01,300 --> 02:12:02,720
and that's the location

1666
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:09,800
that we've been, most are trying to work with them off and I'm sorry, short, Shane

1667
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:15,440
said that based off of there, I'm sure this question is between him, a superintendent, San

1668
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:16,700
And this is

1669
02:12:27,740 --> 02:12:37,760
the tennis scores on the board last portion of the board and on the whole portion of property that is passed through Centennial from this area.

1670
02:12:38,080 --> 02:12:38,300
I'm actually

1671
02:12:42,690 --> 02:12:49,860
going to include an acreage amount of V2 less softball fields, less of a long-home entry.

1672
02:12:51,220 --> 02:12:53,180
Looks like we'll work for them.

1673
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:56,440
Would there change in terms of course then?

1674
02:12:56,440 --> 02:13:04,980
Now, so, the next steps would be to such a kind of paper this, and revise our joint

1675
02:13:04,980 --> 02:13:11,740
commitments and use agreement for me with them and essentially ensure that each of us

1676
02:13:11,740 --> 02:13:19,420
will still get existing usage of this, and so, then, I'm a sample of those aspects of the

1677
02:13:19,420 --> 02:13:24,100
test scores. So, we still need to interrupt the paperwork.

1678
02:13:24,940 --> 02:13:33,240
And you're saying water storage tanks with a net, are we talking vinegar and water for an hour or two for an hour or two?

1679
02:13:35,700 --> 02:13:40,000
That's okay, that was a lot of land, 10 million gallons of water.

1680
02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:42,300
Water, water tank, 40 hours.

1681
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:46,480
And here it is, trying to work separately their own touch.

1682
02:13:46,500 --> 02:13:48,400
So they're not going to join in with them.

1683
02:13:48,940 --> 02:13:49,720
No, not for this.

1684
02:13:50,580 --> 02:13:53,240
They're looking appropriate to the form of two price.

1685
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:57,040
And timing, when we're looking at timing, as far as the pressure

1686
02:14:00,980 --> 02:14:02,380
is concerned, you're

1687
02:14:02,380 --> 02:14:02,780
on a

1688
02:14:06,780 --> 02:14:11,060
property swap, as a single control that we're able to jump.

1689
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:18,480
Now, we have one kind of final hurdle with the federal government in just making sure that,

1690
02:14:18,500 --> 02:14:24,140
from a land and conservation grant perspective, remember we received, we rewarded money

1691
02:14:24,140 --> 02:14:28,200
of the 70s for the construction of parks,

1692
02:14:28,420 --> 02:14:30,400
community parks, one of those parks.

1693
02:14:31,240 --> 02:14:32,980
You've got to get there blessing to

1694
02:14:35,700 --> 02:14:37,080
leave and talk about

1695
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:40,800
accelerating construction of the project

1696
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:44,680
and obviously starting to get down to the grass tax.

1697
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:50,110
Could we could even begin the engineering

1698
02:14:50,110 --> 02:14:52,750
about that, that take

1699
02:14:55,850 --> 02:14:58,850
behind moving ahead,

1700
02:14:59,490 --> 02:14:59,850
quicker with it?

1701
02:15:00,210 --> 02:15:07,670
Well, we still have an outstanding deficiency with the state of Utah and the state of state engineers office.

1702
02:15:08,570 --> 02:15:16,450
And so this would allow us to essentially correct that deficiency sooner rather than later,

1703
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:25,670
but it would require, obviously, us to figure out the financing of the projects since the revenues to build it.

1704
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:35,650
And so this is changing the land in the space of land in the ocean,

1705
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:40,800
the plan would be to build the tank.

1706
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:42,780
But I mean here it says we're demanding the land.

1707
02:15:43,820 --> 02:15:47,720
Yes, this is cementing it to allow the tank to go on that side.

1708
02:15:47,780 --> 02:15:48,040
That's how it is.

1709
02:15:51,810 --> 02:15:52,010
Okay.

1710
02:15:52,010 --> 02:15:56,830
Then some 10.3 is public hearing on an ordinance.

1711
02:15:56,830 --> 02:15:58,370
The applicant, your guests, the city,

1712
02:15:58,450 --> 02:16:03,650
reads on the property look at 3505 West University Parkway

1713
02:16:03,650 --> 02:16:06,430
from the R8 zone to the PD5 zone.

1714
02:16:06,670 --> 02:16:10,230
And then the PD5 zone to the standard land use

1715
02:16:10,230 --> 02:16:15,450
codes, 53, 55, or 33 gasoline service station

1716
02:16:15,450 --> 02:16:18,690
with that sport has a permitted use.

1717
02:16:18,890 --> 02:16:21,670
This land is the Central Utah Water

1718
02:16:21,670 --> 02:16:30,130
and students to district corporate offices that have been sold and the new order is wanting to change the cell.

1719
02:16:30,670 --> 02:16:34,610
They want to change the P-5 cell. They want to keep the office building with staff support.

1720
02:16:35,170 --> 02:16:38,930
They also want to have a gas station management on the corner.

1721
02:16:40,030 --> 02:16:43,470
And we're obviously opposed to that planning commission segment in that as well.

1722
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:51,170
They also recommend to now on the P-5 cell until we get a concept plan that benefits that including the office.

1723
02:16:51,170 --> 02:17:04,290
So, a question, if I don't have any idea how anybody's going to vote, but if this did not go through this evening, and they wanted to come back with a new plan that gathered in support,

1724
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:08,940
they're okay doing that, going back to the planning commission.

1725
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:12,160
What does the venue plan to mean within the PD5?

1726
02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:15,280
It was then the existing as a monitoring.

1727
02:17:15,940 --> 02:17:16,340
They did yet.

1728
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:16,880
They put back.

1729
02:17:17,220 --> 02:17:17,900
Well, it's an array of stuff.

1730
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:18,660
So whatever is it.

1731
02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:22,140
Click on the array of them, we're not going to require a planning issue.

1732
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:28,400
But if they did also want to change the zone, they just come back and for you.

1733
02:17:28,540 --> 02:17:29,900
I'm planning the commission.

1734
02:17:30,180 --> 02:17:34,240
And the one recommendation is if the council is covered with PD5 is to continue the

1735
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:34,920
Resilm parts.

1736
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:39,740
Approved them.

1737
02:17:39,740 --> 02:17:41,200
There's multiple options you can do.

1738
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:46,520
Our recommendation, if the council likes to be defied, is to continue that as an option.

1739
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:48,920
Let them come back with a concept plan that fits this out.

1740
02:17:50,780 --> 02:17:52,320
Just for the point of clarification,

1741
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:59,800
if you as a council were, for example, to deny the P-5 7 tonight in,

1742
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:04,380
yeah, we can have to wait a certain period before a year she could return.

1743
02:18:05,340 --> 02:18:06,920
And what has it not created in P-5?

1744
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:07,400
It's all in there.

1745
02:18:07,580 --> 02:18:11,880
We have to re-apply with a different concept.

1746
02:18:11,880 --> 02:18:13,700
of duties and everything, so.

1747
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:16,960
So you're talking about the Azure okay with the PG5 zone.

1748
02:18:17,620 --> 02:18:20,040
You just are not recommending that it's the amended

1749
02:18:20,620 --> 02:18:22,780
for a gas and the service station.

1750
02:18:23,080 --> 02:18:26,240
But the other idea is to get a concept plan that is that area.

1751
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:27,240
In fact, we got it.

1752
02:18:27,260 --> 02:18:30,580
You right, you know, I know that you're just saying if the Council

1753
02:18:30,580 --> 02:18:35,480
didn't deny, but wanted to move ahead with denial of gasoline,

1754
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:37,820
but move ahead with your five zone.

1755
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:40,580
You see that as an option to see.

1756
02:18:40,580 --> 02:18:47,140
That is an option. I think that we continue into a lot of them to come back in the concept of it's within the zone.

1757
02:18:47,340 --> 02:18:50,780
No, it's a way to reason it until the concept of it works.

1758
02:18:51,060 --> 02:18:52,580
Mary, did we have speed rules?

1759
02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:53,640
Sure, yes.

1760
02:18:53,840 --> 02:19:00,540
So just to, if you were to deny the PD5 zone tonight, then if they wanted to basically re-implive the PD5 zone,

1761
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:01,920
then they'd have to work here.

1762
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:08,620
But if they wanted to say, if you applied for the C2 zone or a different PD zone, then they could do that without having to do it.

1763
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:16,640
And how does that play in with what you're seeing that they want to do with the better

1764
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:20,700
to improve the PD zone, five zones tonight?

1765
02:19:22,740 --> 02:19:28,660
And then, you know, deny the amendment as far as the service station, and then they can come

1766
02:19:28,660 --> 02:19:30,980
back with the new plan.

1767
02:19:31,320 --> 02:19:31,800
I know, yeah.

1768
02:19:32,020 --> 02:19:33,440
I speak from south to the perfect world.

1769
02:19:33,540 --> 02:19:36,260
I think we continue the option for the reason.

1770
02:19:36,260 --> 02:19:38,420
and have a lot of you cut back on the concept,

1771
02:19:38,680 --> 02:19:39,700
and fit it in the zone.

1772
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:44,180
So continue to resolve towards the PD-5 zone, right?

1773
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:46,560
So, no, it's just going to start this.

1774
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:50,220
So, not tonight, or a man of anything,

1775
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:53,080
he just continuing to go in and we're not trying it.

1776
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:55,240
Okay, it gets the fact that we think it's a problem.

1777
02:19:55,540 --> 02:19:56,440
Go to PD-5 zone,

1778
02:19:59,440 --> 02:19:59,960
we don't want to go to the church.

1779
02:20:01,070 --> 02:20:06,570
If we were looking towards that direction, maybe just continue the whole process. Well, two or later day.

1780
02:20:06,650 --> 02:20:10,150
Tonight, the one part, that's the so-called pastoral part.

1781
02:20:10,970 --> 02:20:13,110
But they continue the reason part of that.

1782
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:14,230
And back with the different costs.

1783
02:20:14,510 --> 02:20:18,310
But the mayor might be jumping in, maybe it would be appropriate to talk to the applicant about that,

1784
02:20:18,310 --> 02:20:20,470
because they are not interested in doing that.

1785
02:20:20,470 --> 02:20:22,190
No, I'm just trying to go ahead.

1786
02:20:22,670 --> 02:20:30,070
How do you deny the amendments when you're then continuing?

1787
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:33,650
Continuing with the concept of it.

1788
02:20:37,660 --> 02:20:40,240
You would potentially encourage the applicant.

1789
02:20:40,740 --> 02:20:41,680
You're curious the applicant.

1790
02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:45,240
No, no, I have that part.

1791
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:50,480
I'm just wondering if we're not amendmenting the PD5 zone,

1792
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:53,940
and then we're saying we wanted to deny the service station,

1793
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,420
which is part of it.

1794
02:20:55,580 --> 02:20:59,440
But I guess you've denied that on the land use code period.

1795
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:01,160
Right, I wanted to add that in the

1796
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:05,250
PD5.

1797
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:06,650
Continue the reason for it.

1798
02:21:06,650 --> 02:21:11,520
I could have it as a two-step promotion, especially if you don't have the entire.

1799
02:21:16,450 --> 02:21:18,210
I wasn't planning to mission because that's my assignment.

1800
02:21:18,350 --> 02:21:19,130
They were not.

1801
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:22,770
The hotel was seen like it was pretty meanable to them.

1802
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:27,870
They were certainly worried about egress and ingress with the gas station.

1803
02:21:28,010 --> 02:21:31,990
There was also a comment about beautiful view and looking at the valley.

1804
02:21:32,090 --> 02:21:34,910
And they really wanted something that would be nicer.

1805
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:36,650
I don't know if it was that meant.

1806
02:21:36,650 --> 02:21:43,090
machine now, down more toward the front end or they were not big on the gas.

1807
02:21:43,530 --> 02:21:45,050
I didn't see a lot of pushback on the helicopter.

1808
02:21:46,110 --> 02:21:53,810
So, yeah, if perspective, we feel that one of the prime locations in the entire city

1809
02:21:53,810 --> 02:22:00,330
that's loved even, even, you carry one of the best locations in the city area.

1810
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:08,500
What we learned going through all these processes is that we need to hold out to get what we want,

1811
02:22:08,500 --> 02:22:13,080
you don't need a cell. And so if we think there's an iron battery usage, you don't

1812
02:22:13,080 --> 02:22:17,040
learn to take advantage of the UVX patient in college, the proximity of the freeway of

1813
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:21,340
the views, we should go back for that. That's a word of staff's coming from which is what

1814
02:22:21,340 --> 02:22:27,420
what's done. We think of this as an ideal that it doesn't matter if it's on top of what's

1815
02:22:27,420 --> 02:22:33,120
there right now. Let's get a hotel. Well, you can still have a hotel too. Parking is a challenge,

1816
02:22:33,260 --> 02:22:39,920
but we've been offered a priority instead of gas station. So there you have an office complex

1817
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:45,780
there. And that would be to continue on with that. And instead of putting a

1818
02:22:45,780 --> 02:22:49,920
Maverick on University of Parkway, the idea of putting either an office building,

1819
02:22:50,620 --> 02:22:54,560
or maybe even a hotel on University of Parkway, and that may be putting

1820
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:59,340
apartments behind it. Or I think there's that we're not advertising for that. Okay,

1821
02:22:59,780 --> 02:23:04,040
so I thought there's a discussion also of maybe doing a mixed use with the

1822
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:10,540
conversation underneath. Yeah, we would suppose we tell you we just feel. So we're talking

1823
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:16,220
city there. Are we talking in office space? Are we talking mixed use with the hotel? It could

1824
02:23:16,220 --> 02:23:21,820
be mixed use with retail, I mean for office about it. Or anti-alpha? Or anti-alpha? Or anti-alpha?

1825
02:23:21,980 --> 02:23:28,400
Or anti-alpha? Or anti-alpha? Or anti-alpha? And if they wanted to do some housing in the remainder

1826
02:23:28,400 --> 02:23:33,760
important and that's up to the council we have and we're

1827
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:36,640
we can't even have to create a district.

1828
02:23:38,900 --> 02:23:40,420
We have to create a district.

1829
02:23:40,420 --> 02:23:41,900
We have to keep our men the people.

1830
02:23:44,860 --> 02:23:45,380
Just put that in that.

1831
02:23:46,020 --> 02:23:48,340
We have to keep our men the people.

1832
02:23:49,220 --> 02:23:50,380
She mentioned that.

1833
02:23:50,380 --> 02:23:51,080
Well, you have a student.

1834
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:51,780
That's all.

1835
02:23:51,780 --> 02:23:52,260
It's all in the name of it.

1836
02:23:53,740 --> 02:23:55,280
But yeah, I'm sure they're right to do it.

1837
02:23:55,560 --> 02:23:56,360
We're sorry.

1838
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:01,100
It's all in the name of the city.

1839
02:24:01,240 --> 02:24:02,240
I can't create a new pdf.

1840
02:24:14,110 --> 02:24:15,570
If you couldn't

1841
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:22,130
create a new piece of it because it's currently on our eight,

1842
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:25,660
it's the best attention sign.

1843
02:24:29,360 --> 02:24:32,240
With everything said, it always has to cancel out.

1844
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:36,540
And the applicant has told me that it doesn't cancel out to have a office space.

1845
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:38,380
That is,

1846
02:24:40,860 --> 02:24:41,620
I might be wrong.

1847
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:50,700
Well, they're not discussing that.

1848
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:52,740
There's two parts to a problem.

1849
02:24:53,060 --> 02:24:55,540
That part, I think everybody's that I remember on.

1850
02:24:55,820 --> 02:24:57,380
It's the other parts of the website.

1851
02:24:57,820 --> 02:24:58,540
That's part of the discussion.

1852
02:25:00,620 --> 02:25:05,060
And the applicant's here. So, I don't know if you want to mention it.

1853
02:25:05,060 --> 02:25:06,000
I think it took a bit.

1854
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:06,400
Sure.

1855
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:08,140
We would like to thank everybody.

1856
02:25:10,660 --> 02:25:13,540
I'll make it really quick.

1857
02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:14,860
We have a little bit.

1858
02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:20,240
My name is Leslie Naskar. I'm a threat development group. I work so closely with your staff.

1859
02:25:20,540 --> 02:25:23,920
And then I'll sort of reach out to you every council member and also the mayor.

1860
02:25:24,460 --> 02:25:30,020
So, I'm just so grateful for all your feedback and I'm looking forward to the additional feedback that we'll receive tonight.

1861
02:25:30,020 --> 02:25:37,240
This is a site that we're really excited about, and we want to do something special with the site.

1862
02:25:37,880 --> 02:25:45,020
We're currently working with Maverick, and then we also want to build our own hotel.

1863
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:52,200
We will be working with either a Maria or a Hilton to locate at this particular location.

1864
02:25:52,200 --> 02:26:00,480
And we've already started those conversations and we've purchased this property at a very high expense

1865
02:26:00,480 --> 02:26:04,760
and it averages about $30 to $32 a squared.

1866
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:11,320
But typically with all the space, the most that you're going to pay for land only.

1867
02:26:11,860 --> 02:26:16,440
It is 16, maybe up to $18 a squared squared maximum.

1868
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:23,440
And so since we're already into the property at such a high size, it makes it very difficult to

1869
02:26:24,140 --> 02:26:30,500
build office space, and then something else to consider, it is that there really isn't any kind of

1870
02:26:30,500 --> 02:26:34,360
a tenant that is waiting for us to build this office space.

1871
02:26:34,600 --> 02:26:40,180
Right now we have tenants in place for the particular uses that we have on site.

1872
02:26:40,180 --> 02:26:44,540
And so that's very important that we move forward with the concept that we have.

1873
02:26:45,080 --> 02:26:49,700
But with that being said, we would love to hear all of the feedback that you have for

1874
02:26:49,700 --> 02:26:50,360
it.

1875
02:26:50,700 --> 02:26:56,060
But we would like to be forward with a project that is obviously unfeasible in the will work

1876
02:26:56,060 --> 02:26:56,940
for us.

1877
02:26:57,220 --> 02:27:02,680
It's something that is in the staff's presentation, the note is that there is a report that

1878
02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:06,760
suggests to 200,000 square feet of classmate office space.

1879
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:10,560
And there are a few issues associated with that, and we're one of those that necessarily

1880
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:11,200
intended.

1881
02:27:11,580 --> 02:27:12,620
I'm in place for that.

1882
02:27:12,620 --> 02:27:17,180
We're already into the purchase prices, such a high rate, and then also parking becomes

1883
02:27:17,180 --> 02:27:18,300
a very big issue.

1884
02:27:18,820 --> 02:27:26,880
I believe the parking requirement for this particular zone is one parking solver 250 square feet.

1885
02:27:27,140 --> 02:27:30,400
And so that would yield roughly 800 parking stalls.

1886
02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:39,360
And so, the cost, as opposed to the parking, and then also the land values, it just makes a offset office based and feasible.

1887
02:27:39,980 --> 02:27:43,300
And then, able to reach out to a few council members.

1888
02:27:43,780 --> 02:27:50,120
Some of the things that we've discussed, the includes a few P.S.iders, may be our restaurant at the corner.

1889
02:27:51,220 --> 02:27:57,380
Also, the hotel obviously our preferences to be informed with this site layout that we have.

1890
02:27:57,380 --> 02:28:03,640
But as I mentioned earlier, we're open to hearing good solid suggestions as well.

1891
02:28:05,170 --> 02:28:05,470
Okay.

1892
02:28:05,770 --> 02:28:13,890
I think one of the additional concerns is access to the property, and per you access to

1893
02:28:13,890 --> 02:28:17,150
that as part of what we need to come up with for it.

1894
02:28:17,470 --> 02:28:21,690
So the cannot access to the person's property, which also is a concern.

1895
02:28:26,400 --> 02:28:32,720
I think the changing of the light to the clients is that something's for the time or something.

1896
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:38,020
the timing of this idea. Is that something that, as we've done, that would be a

1897
02:28:38,020 --> 02:28:40,400
poll question or a crisp question, or something.

1898
02:28:40,740 --> 02:28:44,140
If you're not cellulating, you're just saying it.

1899
02:28:44,460 --> 02:28:48,740
Now only, if you don't have an expensive studies with the white need of the

1900
02:28:48,740 --> 02:28:55,620
part way, the addition of the UBS, the bus system, and they're not going to change the

1901
02:28:55,620 --> 02:28:58,620
timing because of the American hotel.

1902
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:06,820
I appreciate the question we will also offer

1903
02:29:06,820 --> 02:29:09,260
traffic into there at end of the meeting later.

1904
02:29:11,620 --> 02:29:12,720
Any other questions?

1905
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,880
So, again, we'll talk

1906
02:29:20,350 --> 02:29:21,290
to both of you.

1907
02:29:25,500 --> 02:29:27,480
More than anything tonight.

1908
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:30,720
If you do think that decision,

1909
02:29:31,820 --> 02:29:33,760
I would like you to express

1910
02:29:34,300 --> 02:29:37,080
on one other options that you would like to see.

1911
02:29:37,260 --> 02:29:37,520
Sure.

1912
02:29:39,660 --> 02:29:41,720
I think it's important to know mayor

1913
02:29:41,720 --> 02:29:47,500
that we can vary up from the developer from day one and this process of stuff is turning

1914
02:29:47,500 --> 02:29:53,880
out for us to do better and better, and we can ensure so that the parkway was developed

1915
02:29:53,880 --> 02:29:59,080
in a way, the community stores were not allowed to ensure that we had higher taxes in the

1916
02:30:00,370 --> 02:30:10,250
So I'm fine with that. What do you see? I mean, if office space doesn't pencil, I actually want to do so.

1917
02:30:10,530 --> 02:30:18,510
So they said that they thought the government had to have opportunities for office funds.

1918
02:30:19,450 --> 02:30:26,910
So I guess we need the same bottom line as the price of the paying for the property with their financial model doesn't pencil.

1919
02:30:28,410 --> 02:30:30,690
And I think it's a good thing.

1920
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:42,640
The venerance of the CS study, though, to show how it works with the off-site.

1921
02:30:43,020 --> 02:30:46,360
Well, we do have a study designed to make it for the UTA Corps,

1922
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:50,680
or for the POV, and that's what the slide and the presentation talks about.

1923
02:30:50,940 --> 02:30:52,580
How they see this in the location for

1924
02:30:55,330 --> 02:30:55,770
two days.

1925
02:30:55,770 --> 02:30:55,970
Yeah.

1926
02:30:56,190 --> 02:30:56,950
Stay with.

1927
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:58,790
Just right with the existing building.

1928
02:31:00,970 --> 02:31:03,590
A lot of job was not made clear in the study.

1929
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:19,380
You have to tell stories.

1930
02:31:34,350 --> 02:31:36,570
To go about 10 11 12.

1931
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:41,060
He could do it for

1932
02:31:47,970 --> 02:31:49,390
about her building the stairs,

1933
02:31:51,630 --> 02:31:56,270
not the name is, the inventory, in order to purchase the one story of some of those things.

1934
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:11,830
Stay at Rasky.

1935
02:32:12,690 --> 02:32:21,450
As I went through the proposal, there were about four in attendance at the neighborhood meeting and they really liked the proposal

1936
02:32:21,450 --> 02:32:26,830
because the buildings are a little bit lower than what they're hoping to see.

1937
02:32:26,970 --> 02:32:30,930
I believe in the ordinance in the lawsuit to 48 feet.

1938
02:32:30,930 --> 02:32:43,850
But the fact that we have a four-story hotel we've offsetted from the closest residential property line about a hundred to a hundred and twenty feet, and so they really appreciate it that kind of end.

1939
02:32:44,630 --> 02:32:46,850
Did you bring in the hospital and the apartments?

1940
02:32:47,810 --> 02:32:47,990
No.

1941
02:32:48,250 --> 02:32:49,930
Because that hasn't been our proposal.

1942
02:32:50,390 --> 02:32:56,930
We've been working so closely with Maverick, and then we really want to provide a hotel at this location.

1943
02:32:56,930 --> 02:33:03,010
we think it's ideal to help support UVVs, sporting events, also graduations, and it's

1944
02:33:03,010 --> 02:33:09,830
so close to the BRT line, that if you can go all the way up to BYU and support those

1945
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:15,930
events as well, we also know that the convenience store is a fantastic supporting use to

1946
02:33:15,930 --> 02:33:22,810
the hotel, just because it is open 24 hours, and those who are staying within the hotel

1947
02:33:22,810 --> 02:33:30,530
If there are any kind of amenities that they have forgotten, they can easily go to the convenience store to pick up anything that they need.

1948
02:33:31,570 --> 02:33:34,570
Now the convenience store is different than the gas station.

1949
02:33:35,350 --> 02:33:38,510
Yes, so a convenience store is basically...

1950
02:33:38,510 --> 02:33:39,730
Right, no, I know where it is.

1951
02:33:40,090 --> 02:33:42,370
But you're looking at it without the gas station.

1952
02:33:43,710 --> 02:33:47,170
No, our proposal is to include the gas pumps.

1953
02:33:47,170 --> 02:33:59,850
What makes the difference, we can push the building up to University Parkway so that you do have that presence of a building and then push the dispensers towards the rear.

1954
02:34:00,750 --> 02:34:15,450
On the end, we would love to install some type of a nice pumpkin part for the passengers riding the BRT line so that they can attain any fresh amenities on the disease for offers.

1955
02:34:15,450 --> 02:34:19,930
and they don't have additional TV, including buy lives, those types of things.

1956
02:34:20,210 --> 02:34:23,370
It's actually a great use for the VRT like this.

1957
02:34:23,490 --> 02:34:30,010
So Ryan, looking at that as the most jealous on the University of Parkway and it is enough

1958
02:34:30,010 --> 02:34:36,130
scale of a hotel that they put the convenience store at the bottom as a mixed use facility with

1959
02:34:36,130 --> 02:34:38,710
pumps to the rear, what do you thought?

1960
02:34:39,430 --> 02:34:42,790
When we get talk to them about doing a mixed use building on the corner with the convenience

1961
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:46,870
and the volume of the pumps to back and we're not opposed to that.

1962
02:34:47,170 --> 02:34:49,230
And we think office goes better with that.

1963
02:34:49,230 --> 02:34:50,670
I understand that I'm just good at it.

1964
02:34:52,110 --> 02:34:55,430
But keeping in mind, one, two, up in that gas station,

1965
02:34:55,650 --> 02:34:56,250
you're going to want it.

1966
02:34:56,430 --> 02:34:58,790
I'm going to want one in the parking lot.

1967
02:34:59,070 --> 02:34:59,950
Well, she's going to probably let me out.

1968
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:12,080
We have to open up the whole parkway if we want just one of those issues.

1969
02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:14,020
I'm sure you're going to amend those part of the project.

1970
02:35:14,260 --> 02:35:18,080
If you didn't, those are underutilized and apart from you.

1971
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:19,140
There's a bunch of different ones.

1972
02:35:20,020 --> 02:35:22,180
So that could open up the real count of words.

1973
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:24,800
I mean, Annaburn is a bad side that was recently done.

1974
02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:26,080
A quite a low-cosm impact side.

1975
02:35:26,580 --> 02:35:28,100
There's a bunch of impact side side.

1976
02:35:28,300 --> 02:35:29,720
They've built the gas station.

1977
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:31,740
Could easily go and ask for permission to cooperate.

1978
02:35:32,200 --> 02:35:34,180
Do the same fact of the access on this approach.

1979
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:35,500
Or simply.

1980
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:42,540
The biggest hurdle for me, and we talked about this,

1981
02:35:42,540 --> 02:35:47,420
It was just even just the objects that have a gas station right next to one of our

1982
02:35:47,420 --> 02:35:49,400
random transit stops.

1983
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:53,680
I protected it at a workshop last week that you will see tea about transit oriented

1984
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:59,680
design and one of the things that we were discussing is that land immediately becomes

1985
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:05,480
wasting.

1986
02:36:08,660 --> 02:36:11,340
It makes all the rest of it harder to deal with it.

1987
02:36:11,420 --> 02:36:14,980
So if you had like a mixed use facility where you don't necessarily have to have as

1988
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:20,830
high

1989
02:36:20,830 --> 02:36:21,130
Well,

1990
02:36:40,250 --> 02:36:41,490
we realize how closely

1991
02:37:14,580 --> 02:37:15,200
it is.

1992
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:16,340
That also matches

1993
02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:24,600
the place of the convenience store, or initially we would love the convenience store.

1994
02:37:24,980 --> 02:37:30,720
But I mean, I'm not, we're all saying convenience store is a gas station, and a convenience store.

1995
02:37:38,020 --> 02:37:39,520
I've stated marriage before,

1996
02:37:41,900 --> 02:37:42,640
and I guess it

1997
02:37:48,590 --> 02:37:49,050
should be.

1998
02:37:49,470 --> 02:37:58,290
I think it was Councilman Lens, and the best of my knowledge and effort doesn't have a convenience store.

1999
02:37:58,290 --> 02:38:01,150
without the gas pumps, there's only one thing happening.

2000
02:38:01,150 --> 02:38:02,590
You could go to somebody else.

2001
02:38:02,750 --> 02:38:06,550
And that sounds totally, but that is their worst operating store.

2002
02:38:07,390 --> 02:38:09,370
The effect is kind of a joke around.

2003
02:38:09,670 --> 02:38:13,590
But I see the merits, for example, that have convenience stores,

2004
02:38:13,850 --> 02:38:18,050
not related to America, but convenience store on the main level,

2005
02:38:18,290 --> 02:38:20,810
and it works very well, very well in use.

2006
02:38:27,340 --> 02:38:28,500
Any other comments?

2007
02:38:30,340 --> 02:38:31,360
Let's move on then.

2008
02:38:31,580 --> 02:38:31,840
Thank you.

2009
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:39,320
The next one is probably hearing the African request to city and men who go on to the general plan on approximately

2010
02:38:39,320 --> 02:38:46,880
16.72 acres of property located generally at 1577 South Geneva Road.

2011
02:38:47,240 --> 02:38:54,040
The low density residential designation to the median density residential designation.

2012
02:38:55,880 --> 02:38:58,480
And Jason, do you have a piece of around that?

2013
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:02,620
So we worked with Mr. McDowell, four or five months ago,

2014
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,580
and I asked him to bring the general plan forward

2015
02:39:05,580 --> 02:39:08,620
without the PD zone, to see what the appetite is in California.

2016
02:39:09,300 --> 02:39:12,340
Obviously, a staff based on the decisions that have made

2017
02:39:12,340 --> 02:39:15,240
by the council in 2015, was annexed.

2018
02:39:15,300 --> 02:39:18,280
The general plan for the place is a single family of density.

2019
02:39:19,140 --> 02:39:22,640
On the east side and then the light and industrial on the west side.

2020
02:39:24,620 --> 02:39:28,060
This is for you tonight to see what the question is.

2021
02:39:28,100 --> 02:39:29,680
If it's doable, it's feasible.

2022
02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:31,300
Our opinion is the panic question.

2023
02:39:31,580 --> 02:39:34,300
I have a recommendation that stays in the way it is to the record.

2024
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:38,880
The other option, I guess we consider is looking at the APRD,

2025
02:39:40,910 --> 02:39:42,090
which this is for both of

2026
02:39:42,090 --> 02:39:47,330
the PD's owners proposed in 11.6, and I'm pretty sure that the council chooses to do this

2027
02:39:47,330 --> 02:39:47,970
as me to dance.

2028
02:39:48,170 --> 02:39:52,310
They will be back before you with this PD's own, quite a 11.6 year parade here.

2029
02:39:52,770 --> 02:39:57,310
I don't know that we're necessarily opposed, but the way that this structure is done with them.

2030
02:39:58,230 --> 02:39:59,950
Yeah, I have to pay, I have a P allows.

2031
02:40:00,820 --> 02:40:11,840
In fact, fees and stuff, in our system was done at the time of the annexation of the resounds. The density was at 4.3 units per acre, and that's kind of the path that we've been going down.

2032
02:40:12,220 --> 02:40:14,960
The design of the lift stations and all I were based on that density.

2033
02:40:15,740 --> 02:40:20,680
So, for the council to change that direction, that's, I don't know if that's an issue.

2034
02:40:20,940 --> 02:40:30,800
In fact, as we need to change this plan, it's going forward with the upsizing in a different design, you know, with capacity, the sewer, the capacity of the lift stations.

2035
02:40:31,700 --> 02:40:36,540
That's the direction we use on that, because the design that we're going down is called this.

2036
02:40:37,700 --> 02:40:42,740
So, when you say changing into a PRD zone, how many units per year around that?

2037
02:40:42,780 --> 02:40:45,780
So, a PRD zone allows up to max 10 to 7.

2038
02:40:46,500 --> 02:40:50,500
If they have homes on a property that they take out, they get a bonus of 3.

2039
02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:52,720
So, a maximum of 8 units per year.

2040
02:40:53,440 --> 02:40:55,860
Right now, PRDs are developing around 6 to less.

2041
02:40:55,860 --> 02:41:00,460
And the medium density is how many units per acre?

2042
02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:06,380
So the PRD and the medium density are pretty close, pretty close.

2043
02:41:06,740 --> 02:41:09,860
We still recommend if the council chooses to go down the PRD realm

2044
02:41:09,860 --> 02:41:14,860
as we look at the plants and different lift stations to see that.

2045
02:41:15,380 --> 02:41:18,480
If we do this PRD, then I'm chances are other PRDs are going to come

2046
02:41:18,480 --> 02:41:21,060
in that area to make sure that there's these.

2047
02:41:21,060 --> 02:41:30,840
So that, of course, yeah, I was going to say how do you move forward or look at doing what that, if you don't even know what to be supported or not supported.

2048
02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:34,920
And there are changing direction of what we, what we really started.

2049
02:41:35,360 --> 02:41:41,460
Right, so if we don't have a show, if we take a little bit of a risk intervention, if we have a designated now and change that to a medium density.

2050
02:41:41,720 --> 02:41:43,260
So A, that's right, perversus forward.

2051
02:41:43,880 --> 02:41:46,840
And we look at our plans to see whether we need to increase that capacity.

2052
02:41:46,840 --> 02:41:49,220
whether that's a redesign of lift stations,

2053
02:41:49,400 --> 02:41:51,220
but that's a place like this.

2054
02:41:51,540 --> 02:41:53,500
I think that that's what we look at before we go down.

2055
02:41:54,020 --> 02:41:56,200
So this is essentially where Council,

2056
02:41:56,420 --> 02:41:59,040
this decision tonight is essentially a tipping point.

2057
02:41:59,260 --> 02:42:02,640
The decision, if, in fact, the decision,

2058
02:42:02,840 --> 02:42:04,320
the city council was,

2059
02:42:06,340 --> 02:42:08,120
or the NDR designation,

2060
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:10,420
and that would essentially

2061
02:42:17,170 --> 02:42:18,010
utility,

2062
02:42:41,700 --> 02:42:42,680
care of making it

2063
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:47,340
absurd is,

2064
02:42:53,080 --> 02:42:54,260
and report NDR,

2065
02:42:54,660 --> 02:42:56,960
and that's going to require us to revisit

2066
02:42:56,960 --> 02:42:57,820
But

2067
02:43:01,300 --> 02:43:03,620
that's what brings the question to me is

2068
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:09,920
how to play the change in this when we had no idea what the costs are

2069
02:43:09,920 --> 02:43:10,440
have

2070
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:16,830
that information first on the forum we would consider.

2071
02:43:17,210 --> 02:43:17,870
That's our point.

2072
02:43:18,290 --> 02:43:20,790
If we want to go to that row, we continue to

2073
02:43:26,390 --> 02:43:28,770
say, well, I think you have capacity, but he's saying,

2074
02:43:28,950 --> 02:43:32,610
let's take it from the places, stick it in light of element and that's in the future.

2075
02:43:35,060 --> 02:43:42,300
But I'm just saying personally, I'm not comfortable making any changes unless I know what the ramifications and costs are.

2076
02:43:42,300 --> 02:43:46,920
So it seems to me like we want to have all that information first prior to

2077
02:43:47,980 --> 02:43:52,120
Commander-in-Chief and Commander-in-Chief, and less-meared that there's

2078
02:43:55,700 --> 02:43:56,740
that's a comfortable witness

2079
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:07,590
and that's true

2080
02:44:11,690 --> 02:44:14,390
We want to make the change for all four and we can do that

2081
02:44:14,390 --> 02:44:16,650
But it's going to take some time to go to that process because

2082
02:44:28,170 --> 02:44:31,110
property there that's not in our

2083
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:40,070
Our shooter cells of the cookers are not looking forward

2084
02:44:41,070 --> 02:44:46,690
Billet now, which is cheaper to build now than you build later. So that was my point one of the things we talked with the property

2085
02:44:52,960 --> 02:44:53,380
of the future

2086
02:44:53,380 --> 02:44:53,880
perspective.

2087
02:45:00,850 --> 02:45:14,630
And we tried to take that into account, we tried to say, but we're not suggesting you have to develop, but if you ever want to be part of this into the future, it's probably a good idea that you get it on the ground floor.

2088
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:23,990
I mean, when they pass on, I mean, the kids probably have a cell, and yeah, we're on the two main property owners that we're referring to, basically, we're adamant that they didn't want any apartments.

2089
02:45:24,950 --> 02:45:32,190
They're decision, you know, and we have to see, you know, what would the cost be if we upgraded whatever, so we could include that for future.

2090
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:33,670
What is the cost?

2091
02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:41,410
But when I talk about it, I think that we went with a day should go plan, really, who's

2092
02:45:41,410 --> 02:45:47,530
paying for that infrastructure, we would build now for those people who don't want to

2093
02:45:47,530 --> 02:45:48,570
be in their cities.

2094
02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:54,570
Every one of our residents would pay for infrastructure, but it's

2095
02:45:54,570 --> 02:45:59,570
sitting there waiting for someone who didn't want to be in our city to come.

2096
02:46:02,180 --> 02:46:02,640
And that's why

2097
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:05,780
I would assign it to an appointment the way we go on.

2098
02:46:06,020 --> 02:46:08,640
So I'm kind of to keep one that maybe you guys are going to invest that out of there.

2099
02:46:08,900 --> 02:46:13,790
There's two left stations in it, right by the part.

2100
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:17,770
And actually, the describing feeds, two of those left stations that live sent to them.

2101
02:46:18,030 --> 02:46:20,150
Certain, those are under-designed right now.

2102
02:46:20,290 --> 02:46:23,710
And it's based on how to capacity the 4.3 of that area.

2103
02:46:23,870 --> 02:46:27,190
If we change that, now that's a design that hasn't been started,

2104
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:31,610
that now is the time to decide if those get upgraded beyond what they're doing.

2105
02:46:31,610 --> 02:46:34,970
And any increase of that, see what was that, that was gone.

2106
02:46:35,210 --> 02:46:36,970
And it's turned the air under the side

2107
02:46:39,050 --> 02:46:39,110
of the air.

2108
02:46:39,110 --> 02:46:40,530
One pass the air to the sea.

2109
02:46:40,850 --> 02:46:42,250
So this is a pivotal point of changing.

2110
02:46:42,850 --> 02:46:44,050
And that was the time to decide.

2111
02:46:44,230 --> 02:46:45,330
Because once people don't have that road,

2112
02:46:45,690 --> 02:46:47,370
a design is now, so we change it.

2113
02:46:47,510 --> 02:46:47,650
It's kind of,

2114
02:46:49,860 --> 02:46:50,540
because it's like, you know,

2115
02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:52,400
we bought it in the Jordan Island, which ever

2116
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:53,320
is at night, to which

2117
02:46:56,100 --> 02:46:56,620
it's not great.

2118
02:46:59,670 --> 02:47:01,530
And I have a question about the men's self-romptory.

2119
02:47:01,950 --> 02:47:04,330
What was the density on that one,

2120
02:47:04,390 --> 02:47:05,330
and how many per acre?

2121
02:47:05,710 --> 02:47:06,730
They're around six.

2122
02:47:11,240 --> 02:47:12,880
So would be something like that,

2123
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:14,180
that we've already been there with that

2124
02:47:16,460 --> 02:47:19,180
It is a PD, but it is a person

2125
02:47:21,740 --> 02:47:26,720
restrictions if you recall in the PRD, they can have two stories or they can have a basement again at both.

2126
02:47:26,940 --> 02:47:29,000
There are some restrictions in the PRD, but that's a crime.

2127
02:47:31,480 --> 02:47:33,280
It wouldn't be able to build with a

2128
02:47:39,650 --> 02:47:40,850
PRD would go.

2129
02:47:49,220 --> 02:47:51,360
Yeah, another thing is the traffic issue.

2130
02:47:52,220 --> 02:47:54,060
Looking at the density that he's

2131
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:01,480
waiting more than that, because they're not anywhere close.

2132
02:48:05,220 --> 02:48:06,360
they have one axis,

2133
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:10,140
one their concept plan,

2134
02:48:10,460 --> 02:48:11,640
a future road to the North.

2135
02:48:13,930 --> 02:48:17,370
If those roads, for those properties take,

2136
02:48:19,450 --> 02:48:24,330
take a line to develop, or we can't require public roads

2137
02:48:24,330 --> 02:48:27,110
to go through, because they keep their existing zone,

2138
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:34,220
we have a development that can really

2139
02:48:34,900 --> 02:48:37,000
can't reasonably be served by one axis.

2140
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:43,360
Other properties be zoned at the same time,

2141
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:46,920
so we can have a master, so we can have a grid network

2142
02:48:46,920 --> 02:48:47,600
of roads.

2143
02:49:00,210 --> 02:49:05,510
We had to throw it to the north, we knew it was going to connect in a respite all about a time.

2144
02:49:05,770 --> 02:49:07,530
Throw it to the south, the same thing.

2145
02:49:07,950 --> 02:49:14,130
Maybe we should say, okay, there's only a certain portion that you can develop until those rows go through.

2146
02:49:15,710 --> 02:49:18,410
It did just go ahead and re-zone the property.

2147
02:49:37,550 --> 02:49:38,590
It's always fine right now.

2148
02:49:38,830 --> 02:49:39,050
All right.

2149
02:49:39,970 --> 02:49:43,310
So yeah, I didn't be pretty small with

2150
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:48,400
that.

2151
02:50:02,170 --> 02:50:18,090
And the developer has laid out the road network and how it would be for a grave. So I don't know how the units it would be unless we have submitted on the blending staff or the developer layout of what it already would look like.

2152
02:50:35,650 --> 02:50:43,270
So that's an assuming they liked the PRR-A, that's a good use of government in the R-A, that would be a PR-A.

2153
02:50:44,970 --> 02:50:51,850
So my question, if you much of PR-B, do we have all human, will we currently have?

2154
02:50:52,090 --> 02:50:54,810
I mean, what you're saying to me, this might trigger everything.

2155
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:58,330
We don't want to look at it to see if we have that capacity.

2156
02:50:58,330 --> 02:51:02,890
or although I need to do right now, that's when we designed it and we designed it as an

2157
02:51:02,890 --> 02:51:05,990
harmony, so even if it's greater than that.

2158
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:10,290
I have a lot of planning that Sam said that it can accommodate this one area, we just can

2159
02:51:10,290 --> 02:51:11,070
accommodate the rest of it.

2160
02:51:11,290 --> 02:51:11,810
Maybe I'm this.

2161
02:51:11,810 --> 02:51:12,350
Well, you could.

2162
02:51:12,750 --> 02:51:12,830
Yeah.

2163
02:51:12,930 --> 02:51:16,750
You want to decide when you're only going to do this, but that's kind of goes to that.

2164
02:51:16,870 --> 02:51:18,270
That's not a fair necessity.

2165
02:51:18,650 --> 02:51:21,810
If I'm the property owner of the South, and now I want to prepare the, well, you're already

2166
02:51:21,810 --> 02:51:23,110
used your density throughout life.

2167
02:51:23,130 --> 02:51:26,690
I think the judge was part of the argument that he came in at annexing time, and that's

2168
02:51:26,690 --> 02:51:31,550
I was part of this thing, and so he was kind of there initially, so you can start even with being

2169
02:51:31,550 --> 02:51:32,370
a person.

2170
02:51:32,750 --> 02:51:33,350
I was there.

2171
02:51:33,990 --> 02:51:34,310
I was there.

2172
02:51:35,330 --> 02:51:39,470
So I don't know if the argument he's making is a five-first in line.

2173
02:51:40,770 --> 02:51:40,870
I think it's.

2174
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:42,730
I get to take everybody else's stance.

2175
02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:44,010
I'm going to try to think he's probably.

2176
02:51:44,250 --> 02:51:45,750
So if he takes it, I'm going to take it.

2177
02:51:46,290 --> 02:51:49,110
So even though you may be, you may be a third in line.

2178
02:51:50,510 --> 02:51:53,610
So our point of view, we decided to do the same move down the purity route.

2179
02:51:53,610 --> 02:51:57,850
that aren't in fairness and look at the whole area and make sure that we're okay with that

2180
02:51:57,850 --> 02:51:59,610
dense and that we're not.

2181
02:51:59,850 --> 02:52:00,710
And that's the question.

2182
02:52:01,010 --> 02:52:04,250
A lot of the background of the world plans where we want to stay throughout the course of the

2183
02:52:04,250 --> 02:52:05,330
arts for keeping the province.

2184
02:52:05,710 --> 02:52:06,450
That doesn't look to happen.

2185
02:52:07,130 --> 02:52:11,290
If we go down the PRD route and we need to give us time and do the course of the time.

2186
02:52:11,470 --> 02:52:14,010
That's going to be kind of a sad amount of time.

2187
02:52:14,110 --> 02:52:15,610
You need to review that.

2188
02:52:19,770 --> 02:52:23,510
Just the impact key process along to adjusting back key.

2189
02:52:23,510 --> 02:52:28,510
probably the five or six months, seven months, and it would come in a cost too.

2190
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:31,850
We could call it fewer than seven months, but we also lost a period of time.

2191
02:52:33,150 --> 02:52:34,490
So I'll take a little next step.

2192
02:52:34,770 --> 02:52:36,570
Let's direct any other direction of the count.

2193
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:38,990
You're good.

2194
02:52:39,210 --> 02:52:42,650
We're plenty of energy content here, and this is a well, as I said, the union here, I'm going to

2195
02:52:42,650 --> 02:52:44,570
expect to talk more about the big about this.

2196
02:52:45,150 --> 02:52:52,150
This is a big piece of pot in South Westland, with 1,000, 200 big prices to do in the pot.

2197
02:52:52,150 --> 02:52:58,710
And when you change the density, then you're giving that one property a figure piece of that fire to endure it.

2198
02:52:58,770 --> 02:53:04,790
Whereas the others can, if they're trying to see the small pieces of the cost, as if the fire is in this certain size.

2199
02:53:05,370 --> 02:53:08,070
And a chemical liquor, this do that I have to pay.

2200
02:53:08,290 --> 02:53:09,250
You're making me hungry.

2201
02:53:09,550 --> 02:53:11,090
I shouldn't coat it like you're buying.

2202
02:53:11,330 --> 02:53:12,750
But I just went to that fire.

2203
02:53:13,770 --> 02:53:15,410
We have a big, big fire here.

2204
02:53:15,650 --> 02:53:17,170
We want to say that we're going to go down the aisle.

2205
02:53:17,530 --> 02:53:19,770
And then we say, go up the mean piece of that piece.

2206
02:53:20,030 --> 02:53:21,050
Then we're doing this.

2207
02:53:21,050 --> 02:53:26,690
We'll give you some, maybe, not a fair understanding, perhaps a unfair understanding, but

2208
02:53:26,690 --> 02:53:27,990
because it's a fair understanding.

2209
02:53:28,170 --> 02:53:30,310
So, we will all have the opportunity to ask.

2210
02:53:30,690 --> 02:53:32,850
General, you really can't have your time.

2211
02:53:33,410 --> 02:53:33,830
You can't have your time.

2212
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:35,130
You can't have your time.

2213
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:37,290
All right.

2214
02:53:37,390 --> 02:53:38,010
Thank you, Jane.

2215
02:53:38,190 --> 02:53:39,030
You don't want anything to say?

2216
02:53:39,410 --> 02:53:41,130
No, just want to recognize.

2217
02:53:41,530 --> 02:53:42,970
We won't have another meeting.

2218
02:53:43,630 --> 02:53:45,150
It's 30 minutes in the month.

2219
02:53:45,470 --> 02:53:46,950
I can't speak for Spencer as birthday.

2220
02:53:48,110 --> 02:53:48,650
So, we joined.

2221
02:53:48,650 --> 02:53:53,310
We didn't buy to all the joint, but he doesn't even have access to accounts with Spencer.

2222
02:53:53,430 --> 02:53:54,590
Well, I'd care it's a salary.

2223
02:53:55,470 --> 02:53:57,430
And if you did, you did, you did a job in the size.

2224
02:53:58,770 --> 02:54:00,890
He only has some of the people who have held accounts with me.

2225
02:54:01,030 --> 02:54:01,490
No, no, no.

2226
02:54:02,690 --> 02:54:04,310
So, all right, let's go ahead and have a look.

2227
02:54:05,490 --> 02:54:06,330
We've overachered.

2228
02:54:06,590 --> 02:54:07,950
You should have come to the end.

2229
02:54:08,590 --> 02:54:09,010
I'll just go.

2230
02:54:09,650 --> 02:54:10,010
I'll just go.

2231
02:54:10,150 --> 02:54:10,450
I'll go.

2232
02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:35,020
If we could have everyone come forward to start our meeting,

2233
02:59:32,470 --> 02:59:35,370
tacky, do you want to let us know when you're ready?

2234
03:01:30,060 --> 03:01:33,260
Yes, we are. We're waiting for a cannery issue, Tom.

2235
03:04:56,620 --> 03:04:59,360
We're going to go to high school from 10 until 2.

2236
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:10,180
And on October the 12th also we have the Utah Valley University President's scholarship ball at the UCCU Center at 530 PM.

2237
03:05:15,640 --> 03:05:24,940
We now would like to invite the Library Advisory Commission to come forward and provide to us an annual update of their activities.

2238
03:05:31,150 --> 03:05:35,110
And, Charles, we've done in the past if we could have everybody introduce themselves.

2239
03:05:38,020 --> 03:05:49,360
I might mention that Councilmember McDonald is not here with us in person, but he is on the speaker and is listening in and participating.

2240
03:05:50,440 --> 03:05:51,880
Tom, can you hear us?

2241
03:05:55,130 --> 03:05:56,890
Well, it's my understanding. He's there somewhere.

2242
03:06:03,380 --> 03:06:04,960
Okay, glad to have you here.

2243
03:06:06,100 --> 03:06:07,500
Charles, once you go ahead.

2244
03:06:13,140 --> 03:06:15,480
Do you want to turn that on? I don't think that's on.

2245
03:06:19,350 --> 03:06:20,610
Sorry about that.

2246
03:06:21,370 --> 03:06:25,470
Susan Stratton is the chairperson of the Library Advisory Commission and she was not able to

2247
03:06:25,470 --> 03:06:28,790
be here tonight, but Marcia Sernie is our vice chair and she is here.

2248
03:06:29,650 --> 03:06:32,990
I will let them introduce themselves, but we also are missing tonight.

2249
03:06:33,350 --> 03:06:38,310
Terry Potsmith, she's just finished her second term on the Library Advisory Commission and she is

2250
03:06:38,310 --> 03:06:42,910
out of town and she's going to be retiring from the commission, but we appreciate her service.

2251
03:06:42,910 --> 03:06:46,530
And we also just wanted to recognize Councilmember Seastrand.

2252
03:06:46,570 --> 03:06:52,290
He's been our council liaison this year, and we'd appreciate it working with him, so I'll just let them go ahead.

2253
03:06:56,180 --> 03:06:58,140
Okay, make sure it's on. There you go.

2254
03:06:58,340 --> 03:07:01,280
I'm Marcia Sernie. I'm Courtney Burns.

2255
03:07:03,020 --> 03:07:04,640
I'm James Jones.

2256
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:07,800
I want to turn that one on. I know.

2257
03:07:08,660 --> 03:07:09,580
Ken Bonnie.

2258
03:07:10,920 --> 03:07:12,120
Mary's still all Richards.

2259
03:07:12,960 --> 03:07:13,460
Okay,

2260
03:07:16,040 --> 03:07:17,540
so who wants to go first?

2261
03:07:20,810 --> 03:07:25,050
First off, we're excited to be as members of the Library Advisory Commission to

2262
03:07:25,050 --> 03:07:25,510
present.

2263
03:07:25,690 --> 03:07:31,730
As we firmly believe that when libraries succeed, communities succeed, and we're proud

2264
03:07:31,730 --> 03:07:36,550
to present some of the successes we've had this past year, if we could.

2265
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:45,780
And so I'd like to report on our Centennial Theme Summer Reading program.

2266
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:54,980
This year we had nearly 3,200 participants, and also 640 families comprised of that.

2267
03:07:54,980 --> 03:08:00,120
We had 17 various activities, and on the next slide, we'll illustrate what some of those activities were,

2268
03:08:00,600 --> 03:08:08,240
with 3300 over 3300 and total of then attendance. And we received a lot of positive feedback,

2269
03:08:08,400 --> 03:08:14,800
93.3%, and we're kind of convinced that the other 7% must have misunderstood the survey question.

2270
03:08:16,260 --> 03:08:21,240
But we received a lot of very valuable feedback to make the next next year's summer reading

2271
03:08:21,240 --> 03:08:29,360
program and even bigger success. And I'll say it's a show that when young there is that summer

2272
03:08:29,360 --> 03:08:38,620
slump that when a student neglect reading during the summer there tends to be a fall off a drop off

2273
03:08:38,620 --> 03:08:44,440
that has to be made up at the start of the year. So we're pleased with so many schools, 93 different

2274
03:08:44,440 --> 03:08:51,700
schools participated in a summer reading program, and with Cascade Elementary leading the way.

2275
03:08:52,900 --> 03:08:56,720
And on this next slide it just shows different events that we had, and again you can

2276
03:08:56,720 --> 03:09:02,720
see that a lot of the community engagement came out of this, and a lot of fun, and it

2277
03:09:02,720 --> 03:09:06,700
helped cement the armed public library as the community anchor of Oram.

2278
03:09:11,440 --> 03:09:16,400
It's a nice segue into something that I'd like to speak to for just a second, and that

2279
03:09:16,400 --> 03:09:22,380
is that one of the great things about our library here in Oram is that it serves so many different

2280
03:09:22,380 --> 03:09:24,540
populations and ages.

2281
03:09:27,280 --> 03:09:33,020
And one of those age groups are the offerings for teens. And

2282
03:09:33,020 --> 03:09:38,400
just looking behind me, I noticed that we have at least one young person in the, well, not

2283
03:09:38,400 --> 03:09:45,640
that anyone else is old, but there's one scout out there. And one of the great opportunities for

2284
03:09:45,640 --> 03:09:50,120
young people in the community is to get involved with some of these teen offerings at the library.

2285
03:09:51,220 --> 03:09:59,300
There's a very active teen library council that allows young people to develop leadership skills.

2286
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:18,580
And that, in addition to those opportunities, the collection itself geared to young people, the YA offerings, is vast and circulates a lot.

2287
03:10:20,540 --> 03:10:26,340
Maybe I'll just, well, one of the things that I should mention is that I think that the

2288
03:10:26,340 --> 03:10:30,000
library does a great job of collaborating with our partners in the community.

2289
03:10:30,360 --> 03:10:37,120
I work at Orum High School and frequently we benefit from the outreach from the public

2290
03:10:37,120 --> 03:10:44,800
library, the teen librarians, visit our different departments at the High School, publicizing

2291
03:10:45,840 --> 03:10:48,720
the programming and the events that are being hosted,

2292
03:10:49,500 --> 03:10:51,780
and like Ken mentioned, many of our students

2293
03:10:51,780 --> 03:10:55,040
can take advantage of the summer offerings when we're closed.

2294
03:10:55,720 --> 03:10:57,260
If we could just go to the next slide,

2295
03:10:57,720 --> 03:11:02,860
there are a few photos here of some of the teen events

2296
03:11:02,860 --> 03:11:06,460
of the past year, the one on the left in particular

2297
03:11:06,460 --> 03:11:10,140
was very popular, a game night.

2298
03:11:10,140 --> 03:11:20,020
And kind of focused on some role-playing games and very well attended as our many of these events for teens.

2299
03:11:24,780 --> 03:11:28,420
All right, I'm going to talk a little bit about library trends.

2300
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:35,360
At our library, we continue to have a desire for connectivity.

2301
03:11:37,440 --> 03:11:43,120
So individuals and families want to be able to come to the library and connect with each other and with others.

2302
03:11:43,120 --> 03:11:49,340
and we have some examples of some of those things that the library provides for our individuals

2303
03:11:49,340 --> 03:11:55,760
and families in the community such as the toddler programs and allowing parents after

2304
03:11:55,760 --> 03:11:59,520
those programs to be able to interact and socialize with each other.

2305
03:12:00,140 --> 03:12:06,300
We have groups that meet in the library such as the Pins and Needles Handywork Group, which

2306
03:12:06,300 --> 03:12:14,780
is a long time group that has met in the library that offers opportunities for individuals

2307
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:21,900
with hobbies and other needs such as that to meet together in a space and to be able to work

2308
03:12:21,900 --> 03:12:31,900
on those skills or learn those skills if they're new to them. We have an increased interest

2309
03:12:31,900 --> 03:12:38,420
that we are meeting with hands-on classes, the individuals and families want to come to the

2310
03:12:38,420 --> 03:12:44,460
library and learn how to do things, and we see that in the maker's space as well as with

2311
03:12:44,460 --> 03:12:51,200
other programs such as quilting and sourdough starter and other things like that that we are offering

2312
03:12:51,200 --> 03:12:59,180
in a library that allow our patrons to come and learn in a hands-on manner. We are also

2313
03:12:59,180 --> 03:13:04,880
have been increased interest in our community of family activities activities that they can come

2314
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:14,300
and do as an entire family. And we have a wide range of opportunities of programming and

2315
03:13:14,300 --> 03:13:20,360
activities that they can come and do that. We are of course also seeing just an increase in

2316
03:13:20,360 --> 03:13:27,980
interest in use of the maker space. And there is a picture of one of the activities that they did

2317
03:13:27,980 --> 03:13:34,940
using the 3D printer and one of the things that we're looking at and doing in the

2318
03:13:34,940 --> 03:13:40,000
makers faces both creating opportunities for open lab for individuals who know

2319
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:45,400
how to use the space to come in and use it but also creating some modules that

2320
03:13:45,400 --> 03:13:50,580
people who don't know how to use a 3D printer or some of the other equipment can

2321
03:13:50,580 --> 03:13:55,720
come in and watch a short video and then kind of have that step by step walk them

2322
03:13:55,720 --> 03:14:02,100
through how to use the equipment in the makerspace so that that can be available to all levels

2323
03:14:02,100 --> 03:14:03,060
of interest.

2324
03:14:04,500 --> 03:14:10,360
E-books and E-Audio continue to be massively popular with our library.

2325
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:21,200
We've got just a little over 28,000 checkouts each month, so massively popular programming

2326
03:14:21,200 --> 03:14:23,400
there for opportunities there.

2327
03:14:23,400 --> 03:14:28,660
And then passive programming is another thing that is a great interest in our community that's

2328
03:14:28,660 --> 03:14:35,360
programming that individuals and families can come and do not at a specific time, but at a time

2329
03:14:35,360 --> 03:14:41,520
that works for them, where they can come and check out a book bag with an activity in it,

2330
03:14:41,780 --> 03:14:50,040
where they can come and participate during the summer reading, there was a town city building

2331
03:14:50,040 --> 03:14:55,420
project, they could come and create their own buildings on their own schedule and then contribute

2332
03:14:55,420 --> 03:14:59,960
that into the to the city that was being built. So that was...

2333
03:15:00,050 --> 03:15:08,590
That's a nice opportunity that we give to patrons who may not always be able to come specifically during the times that our programs are set.

2334
03:15:09,950 --> 03:15:22,110
And then, just a little bit of a look at some of the most popular things that are being checked out from a library where the crowd adzing is the most popular fiction book that has been checked out,

2335
03:15:22,110 --> 03:15:31,210
be coming by Michelle Obama's, the most popular non-fiction, our most popular DVD, is Mary Poppins Returns.

2336
03:15:31,670 --> 03:15:40,530
That is currently the most popular we expect Avengers Endgame to take that lead not too far in the future.

2337
03:15:41,290 --> 03:15:45,330
And then the most popular picture book that is being checked out is the Good Egg.

2338
03:15:47,660 --> 03:15:52,800
The library also plays a very important role in the cultural life of Forum.

2339
03:15:53,160 --> 03:15:58,360
And as you'll see on these next three slides, this is everything from concerts of all types.

2340
03:15:58,780 --> 03:16:08,660
Joe McQueen, who was a hundred-year-old jazz musician who had been living in Utah for 75 years, performed as dead contouring.

2341
03:16:09,300 --> 03:16:16,140
And we'll see on the next slide, we had community performances, everything from Alice and Wonderland to the Nutcracker,

2342
03:16:16,140 --> 03:16:21,980
and in the next slide, we can see that we had off of visits and readings.

2343
03:16:23,180 --> 03:16:29,760
Of the only things, we also had a chemistry magic show, a UV puppetry presentation,

2344
03:16:30,400 --> 03:16:33,180
and a jazz quartet, the Turtle Island quartet.

2345
03:16:33,440 --> 03:16:37,460
His appearance came as a result of the grant that the library wrote.

2346
03:16:37,940 --> 03:16:40,260
While most performers of

2347
03:16:49,480 --> 03:16:53,720
the important thing is that the library is not just a place to check out books,

2348
03:16:53,720 --> 03:16:58,600
but it's also a place to become culturally literate as well.

2349
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:04,040
And the big project of the year was the beginning

2350
03:17:04,040 --> 03:17:07,460
of the construction of the Library Hall, a project

2351
03:17:07,460 --> 03:17:09,380
that has been talked about and dreamed

2352
03:17:09,380 --> 03:17:10,920
about for many years.

2353
03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:14,860
Currently, all of the fittings have been poured,

2354
03:17:17,100 --> 03:17:19,820
and a lot of dirt has been moved.

2355
03:17:20,780 --> 03:17:23,360
And the large cement pour for the auditorium floor

2356
03:17:23,360 --> 03:17:32,320
should take place about the first of October, and they're continued to work on finishing projects

2357
03:17:33,000 --> 03:17:39,660
like what do or nobsane need, or what other kind of materials and other kinds of things.

2358
03:17:41,460 --> 03:17:47,300
I find the construction interesting, so occasionally I drive down state streets so I can

2359
03:17:47,300 --> 03:17:51,700
see what's happening, so I think everyone's interested in it and looking forward to when

2360
03:17:51,700 --> 03:17:52,380
it's completed.

2361
03:17:52,380 --> 03:17:53,300
Okay.

2362
03:17:58,710 --> 03:18:00,330
Thank you. Let's give them a round of applause.

2363
03:18:05,510 --> 03:18:08,790
So don't get up just yet. I just wanted

2364
03:18:08,790 --> 03:18:15,150
to say we love our library. We love what it does. I'm always amazed when I walk out

2365
03:18:15,150 --> 03:18:21,530
of the children's library to be passed by families with children and mothers that are

2366
03:18:21,530 --> 03:18:27,930
all getting books and taking them out to their car. And it's just great to see the activity

2367
03:18:27,930 --> 03:18:34,590
that occurs, and then I always love coming to different events at the library, you know, the

2368
03:18:34,590 --> 03:18:42,670
bagpipes, you know, the broke choir, anyway, just great events, Utah State University coming

2369
03:18:42,670 --> 03:18:49,570
down. So we appreciate very much what Sharer has done and the library staff do and we appreciate

2370
03:18:49,570 --> 03:18:55,050
very much what you as a commission do to help guide the library and the direction that's going.

2371
03:18:55,050 --> 03:18:58,910
so thank you very much. One more round of applause please.

2372
03:19:05,420 --> 03:19:06,760
Okay, we have time for

2373
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:13,640
personal appearances. We have two that have signed up. I would ask that you keep your comments

2374
03:19:13,640 --> 03:19:18,820
to three minutes and give us your name when you come to the podium. First we'll hear from Mark

2375
03:19:18,820 --> 03:19:22,000
Tippitz after which we'll hear from Eric Wilkie.

2376
03:19:32,070 --> 03:19:39,750
If you have a map in my wife, she has some

2377
03:19:39,750 --> 03:19:46,970
My name is Mark Kippitz. I live in Orm, Utah. My address is 876 South, 725 West.

2378
03:19:48,330 --> 03:19:54,190
The other night, just give you a glimpse at how my wife and I spend our evenings.

2379
03:19:54,990 --> 03:19:57,750
We were watching a spy thriller on Netflix.

2380
03:19:57,750 --> 03:19:59,950
And, um...

2381
03:20:00,210 --> 03:20:09,350
Very early in the movie, the head of the Defense Department was talking to the Prime Minister, and

2382
03:20:09,350 --> 03:20:15,930
he said the citizens' demands safety and security, but that always comes that a cost.

2383
03:20:17,050 --> 03:20:22,930
I'm here tonight to talk about our first responders in our public safety department.

2384
03:20:23,890 --> 03:20:30,990
I had the opportunity over the weekend to meet a fire captain from Probeau, and we talked

2385
03:20:30,990 --> 03:20:37,550
a little bit about Orum, and he said, Orum used to have the best reputation.

2386
03:20:38,990 --> 03:20:47,260
Everybody wanted to come and serve at Orum's police department or fire department, but he

2387
03:20:47,260 --> 03:20:53,100
And now, unfortunately, the morale is so low that no one wants to come.

2388
03:20:56,460 --> 03:21:02,360
In this handout that gave you, there's some letters there.

2389
03:21:02,800 --> 03:21:05,000
And in one of them,

2390
03:21:08,670 --> 03:21:13,970
they made reference to, for nearly 20 years, the City of Wormons required

2391
03:21:13,970 --> 03:21:21,710
programmatic certifications prior to hiring, and at one point at one time, every firefighter

2392
03:21:21,710 --> 03:21:25,730
was a paramedic, held over recently, we have lowered our standards.

2393
03:21:26,930 --> 03:21:29,790
This year, we have started to hire advanced EMTs.

2394
03:21:32,670 --> 03:21:39,710
With that said, the question I would like each of you to consider is in a game of chest.

2395
03:21:39,710 --> 03:21:43,970
would you be willing to trade a queen for a pawn?

2396
03:21:46,190 --> 03:21:50,790
Again, would you consider trading a queen for a pawn?

2397
03:21:53,030 --> 03:21:54,690
From another firefighter he says,

2398
03:21:54,890 --> 03:21:57,350
It changes that we want to see are not just money and benefits.

2399
03:21:57,810 --> 03:21:59,570
We need to see a change in our morale.

2400
03:22:00,110 --> 03:22:02,870
And a recent discussion with another firefighter

2401
03:22:02,870 --> 03:22:05,110
just after being called,

2402
03:22:05,270 --> 03:22:08,210
after involved the death of a small child.

2403
03:22:08,990 --> 03:22:15,250
We both came to the conclusion that it was more stressful from the stress that we were getting

2404
03:22:15,250 --> 03:22:20,030
from our city government than it is having to come to these fatal calls.

2405
03:22:20,990 --> 03:22:25,250
I would like to turn these letters over to you and hope that you will spend a few minutes

2406
03:22:25,810 --> 03:22:26,950
and read them.

2407
03:22:26,950 --> 03:22:45,490
I would like to see Oram back to where we were public safety was our priority, and that we had the best first responders in the state, and I know that that's something that we can do.

2408
03:22:46,050 --> 03:22:47,350
I thank you for your service.

2409
03:22:47,810 --> 03:22:48,710
Thank you.

2410
03:22:58,490 --> 03:23:01,670
Mayor Council members, good to see you again. My name is Eric Wilkie.

2411
03:23:01,670 --> 03:23:07,070
As for the career ladder, I will not be eligible for my raise until at least March 2020.

2412
03:23:07,510 --> 03:23:08,930
There are many others like me.

2413
03:23:09,230 --> 03:23:12,350
The certifications are simply not immediately obtainable.

2414
03:23:12,570 --> 03:23:16,970
Councilman Spencer asked repeatedly in the last meeting if classes were obtainable and

2415
03:23:16,970 --> 03:23:18,930
if employees would be eligible.

2416
03:23:19,550 --> 03:23:23,050
Would it surprise you to hear that several of our employees still haven't been able to take

2417
03:23:23,050 --> 03:23:27,950
advantage of the paramedic two and paramedic three pay levels that were implemented several

2418
03:23:27,950 --> 03:23:33,870
to go because classes have been unavailable in postpone. Again, you gave approval for the budget,

2419
03:23:34,090 --> 03:23:38,010
and most likely you thought the money was being spent in that area, but you thought wrong.

2420
03:23:38,710 --> 03:23:45,450
The previous career ladder, steps like the newest ones, are really just carrots being dangled

2421
03:23:45,450 --> 03:23:52,030
in front of us, and as we learned from the last meeting, there is no IOU process for the fire department,

2422
03:23:52,030 --> 03:23:53,710
like the police department has.

2423
03:23:54,050 --> 03:23:59,270
My pay when it comes in March, barring the canceled classes or other misfortunes out of

2424
03:23:59,270 --> 03:24:01,110
my control will be greatly appreciated.

2425
03:24:01,950 --> 03:24:05,970
In the meantime, I am willing to guess that we will continue to share the same feelings

2426
03:24:05,970 --> 03:24:10,270
of frustration, knowing that you are being told one thing while another is happening,

2427
03:24:10,810 --> 03:24:15,150
and while you give direction to do something, in fact, the opposite continues to occur.

2428
03:24:15,730 --> 03:24:18,230
I have been told I cannot complain unless I have a solution.

2429
03:24:18,230 --> 03:24:24,450
I have adopted this philosophy, and I'd like to share a few suggestions that may resolve some of the issues we are facing.

2430
03:24:24,830 --> 03:24:29,530
Number one, most if not all the agencies in Salt Lake Valley have a pay scale system.

2431
03:24:29,890 --> 03:24:32,170
The system is defined and it's not ambiguous.

2432
03:24:32,750 --> 03:24:39,270
It works there. They don't have to have compression problems and leapfrog problems like we have.

2433
03:24:39,590 --> 03:24:46,890
A survey is conducted every few or a few years ago, which identifies them in the major improvements that needed to be made.

2434
03:24:47,450 --> 03:24:51,890
If it is not apparent, yeah, what improvements need to be made, it might be time for another survey.

2435
03:24:52,490 --> 03:24:57,010
Lastly, if any of this is new information for you, then someone is not doing their job very well.

2436
03:24:57,470 --> 03:24:59,950
I certainly should...

2437
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:07,480
Be the responsibility of the public to bring these things to your attention. Thank you again for your support and willingness to address the current situations.

2438
03:25:08,440 --> 03:25:18,360
I read this from an anonymous source, one of our firefighters who feels under the breath of retaliation. He cannot speak out because of what will happen to his personal career.

2439
03:25:18,360 --> 03:25:26,600
My son spoke up two weeks ago, 12 hours prior to the last shift that he worked for this

2440
03:25:26,600 --> 03:25:28,340
city after 11 years.

2441
03:25:29,140 --> 03:25:33,420
The battalion chief showed up, took all of his safety equipment, his personal equipment,

2442
03:25:33,780 --> 03:25:37,740
leaving him with a radio helmet, safety vest, considered him a safety officer.

2443
03:25:37,840 --> 03:25:40,880
He had the clothes on his back, and that was it.

2444
03:25:41,040 --> 03:25:42,280
No one replaced him.

2445
03:25:42,440 --> 03:25:46,920
No one came in to protect his rookie as a mentor.

2446
03:25:46,920 --> 03:25:52,940
This means, and this is not happened before, and in recent memory, nobody has ever had this done.

2447
03:25:53,940 --> 03:25:56,580
This means that that station was down one man.

2448
03:25:56,880 --> 03:25:58,400
They could not respond to a fire.

2449
03:25:58,860 --> 03:26:02,080
They could not respond to any crash that needed extrication.

2450
03:26:02,580 --> 03:26:08,780
My son, his rookie, that station, and the citizens of this area, were endangered.

2451
03:26:09,660 --> 03:26:14,660
If something would have happened in that 12-hour time frame, say a fire in a building adjacent,

2452
03:26:14,660 --> 03:26:18,200
They would have stood out there by standards.

2453
03:26:20,120 --> 03:26:22,900
You know that they would have gone in anyway under their own

2454
03:26:23,340 --> 03:26:27,640
own dress and safety to take care of the citizens of this.

2455
03:26:28,120 --> 03:26:32,320
Retaliation is alive and well in this fire department.

2456
03:26:32,840 --> 03:26:38,940
We are all on the same team and here to help plead with you that we might find the root of this.

2457
03:26:39,220 --> 03:26:40,420
Thank you.

2458
03:26:40,600 --> 03:26:41,520
Thank you.

2459
03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:47,880
We'll now go ahead and close the personal parents portion of our meeting and move on to our consent items.

2460
03:26:48,920 --> 03:26:50,340
We have four consent items.

2461
03:26:50,500 --> 03:26:56,900
If any city council member would like to move the consent item to our scheduled items, please let me know.

2462
03:26:57,620 --> 03:26:58,980
I will go ahead and read through this.

2463
03:26:59,060 --> 03:27:05,260
The first is approval of meeting minutes of our city council meeting August 27, 2019.

2464
03:27:05,260 --> 03:27:11,580
and also the minutes of our City Council work session of September 3, 2019.

2465
03:27:13,100 --> 03:27:15,520
Number two is we have City Manager appointments.

2466
03:27:16,520 --> 03:27:21,060
The first is to appoint Hayesum Soccer to serve on the Planning Commission,

2467
03:27:21,840 --> 03:27:26,200
who is replacing Dave Moulton, who is coming off

2468
03:27:26,200 --> 03:27:33,160
and then the reappointment of staff and Frisbee to serve on the board of building and fire code appeals.

2469
03:27:33,160 --> 03:27:41,560
The third item is an ordinance amending the city code to reflect the change from Department of Administrative Services to the Finance Department.

2470
03:27:42,240 --> 03:27:56,080
The fourth is the Finance Department Director, Brandon Nelson, per our advice and consent on his appointment as the city's new Finance Department Director.

2471
03:27:56,660 --> 03:28:01,580
Do I have any of those items that anyone wants to move down to a scheduled item?

2472
03:28:02,180 --> 03:28:04,540
If not, we'll go ahead and take a vote.

2473
03:28:04,780 --> 03:28:07,300
I move that we approve all of these items.

2474
03:28:07,300 --> 03:28:08,260
Is there a second?

2475
03:28:09,360 --> 03:28:09,600
Okay.

2476
03:28:09,960 --> 03:28:12,000
Councilor Seastrand was with you.

2477
03:28:13,340 --> 03:28:13,600
Aye.

2478
03:28:15,300 --> 03:28:15,580
Okay.

2479
03:28:15,660 --> 03:28:16,960
Those actions take place.

2480
03:28:17,160 --> 03:28:18,120
And at this point.

2481
03:28:18,340 --> 03:28:18,620
Aye.

2482
03:28:19,880 --> 03:28:20,560
At this point.

2483
03:28:20,820 --> 03:28:21,040
Thanks, Tom.

2484
03:28:21,160 --> 03:28:22,180
At this point in time.

2485
03:28:22,800 --> 03:28:30,860
We would like to have the city recorder come and administer the oath of office to Brandon Nelson as the new finance department director.

2486
03:29:14,190 --> 03:29:16,310
We're giving him a round of applause.

2487
03:29:22,220 --> 03:29:27,320
In graduation, Brandon, you'll do a wonderful job as you have been for many years and we

2488
03:29:27,320 --> 03:29:31,380
appreciate the work that Richard Manning has done for many years.

2489
03:29:32,220 --> 03:29:33,780
Well, now we've been to our schedule items.

2490
03:29:33,820 --> 03:29:35,340
The first one is a public hearing.

2491
03:29:35,880 --> 03:29:41,920
This is an ordinance amending appendix U of the Orm City Code by updating the tree requirements

2492
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:47,420
in all zones and Jason Bench is our presenter.

2493
03:29:58,900 --> 03:29:59,960
Thank you man, members of the council.

2494
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:14,660
This is a simple request in, as you recall in the appendix U, there are tree selections that allow citizens to select trees throughout the city, specifically we're looking at trees that were within the districts.

2495
03:30:15,560 --> 03:30:24,020
Recently we've had a couple of applicants come in and basically let us know that it was kind of difficult to find some of these tree selections locally in the nurseries.

2496
03:30:24,020 --> 03:30:39,040
And as we did that, we reviewed the tree selection with Josh Story, who's urban forester and Jim or who's a parks manager and basically came up with some selections within these districts that would allow at least an option of four trees within the districts.

2497
03:30:39,100 --> 03:30:46,320
The idea behind the selections in the districts is to have different and unique trees without a throughout the districts.

2498
03:30:46,320 --> 03:30:51,700
and so are proposing to these be updated. In addition to that as he's gone through, there are a couple

2499
03:30:51,700 --> 03:30:58,180
trees that have had some issues, particularly the ash trees and some of the red maple trees that

2500
03:30:58,180 --> 03:31:03,260
have are susceptible to disease and he's asked that these be removed so that people don't plant

2501
03:31:03,260 --> 03:31:08,580
these going forward. So the public commission has reviewed it in a recommendation for approval and

2502
03:31:08,580 --> 03:31:09,780
glad to address any questions.

2503
03:31:12,030 --> 03:31:14,210
Any questions or comments from the council?

2504
03:31:17,090 --> 03:31:18,170
Okay, this is a public

2505
03:31:18,170 --> 03:31:23,010
hearing so we will open it up to the public. Anyone who would like to come forward please

2506
03:31:23,010 --> 03:31:26,670
give us your name and keep your comments the three minutes.

2507
03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:30,140
Seeing as how no one's coming

2508
03:31:30,140 --> 03:31:35,640
forward will close the public comment portion of our public hearing and bring it back to the council

2509
03:31:36,900 --> 03:31:43,720
any questions from the council. I'd like a comment. Yes. I just didn't drive it out of the city.

2510
03:31:43,720 --> 03:31:51,060
I really enjoyed the variety of trees that we have and I commend our park's group and the

2511
03:31:51,060 --> 03:31:56,880
the arborist on what they've done to maintain trees and to do a great job and I fully support

2512
03:31:56,880 --> 03:32:02,480
this change and adding some additional trees to the options that we're looking at. So I would like

2513
03:32:02,480 --> 03:32:06,980
to make a motion mayor if that's okay. I'll have to wait first and see if there's any other

2514
03:32:06,980 --> 03:32:07,940
comments from the council.

2515
03:32:11,180 --> 03:32:14,420
Okay. Okay, go ahead Mark. I'd like to amend the appendix

2516
03:32:14,420 --> 03:32:18,760
of the Orm City Code by updating the tree requirements and all the zones has stated.

2517
03:32:19,340 --> 03:32:21,260
Is there a second?

2518
03:32:21,260 --> 03:32:22,460
Okay, you need to turn yours on.

2519
03:32:22,460 --> 03:32:22,760
A second.

2520
03:32:24,200 --> 03:32:24,320
Okay.

2521
03:32:24,800 --> 03:32:27,480
Okay, we'll go ahead and start with Councilman Reliance.

2522
03:32:28,360 --> 03:32:28,820
Hi.

2523
03:32:29,240 --> 03:32:29,380
Hi.

2524
03:32:30,020 --> 03:32:30,180
Hi.

2525
03:32:30,520 --> 03:32:30,700
Hi.

2526
03:32:31,400 --> 03:32:31,800
Hey.

2527
03:32:32,440 --> 03:32:32,640
Hey.

2528
03:32:33,080 --> 03:32:33,640
And Tom?

2529
03:32:33,960 --> 03:32:34,740
No, I got it.

2530
03:32:36,080 --> 03:32:36,280
Tom?

2531
03:32:38,830 --> 03:32:40,250
Do you want to vote on this?

2532
03:32:40,250 --> 03:32:40,490
Sorry.

2533
03:32:40,650 --> 03:32:41,230
I'm talking to you again.

2534
03:32:42,310 --> 03:32:42,650
Okay.

2535
03:32:42,650 --> 03:32:48,470
people live we're gonna be live for a little while here. Okay so the ordinance passes

2536
03:32:48,470 --> 03:32:53,310
appreciate that. Thank you. Okay the next is a public hearing on an ordinance

2537
03:32:53,310 --> 03:33:02,370
amending section 226-10i in the standard land use code 4832 a concerning water

2538
03:33:02,370 --> 03:33:08,330
storage tanks and appendix a the arm city code pertaining to water storage tanks and

2539
03:33:08,330 --> 03:33:13,410
presenters, Jason. Thank you, Mayor. Members of the Council. These are changes to allow

2540
03:33:13,410 --> 03:33:18,390
water tanks lower than the current elevation, as you can see in the ordinance. We currently

2541
03:33:18,390 --> 03:33:23,350
allow up by the treatment plant at 4910, which is the elevation above sea level.

2542
03:33:24,530 --> 03:33:27,290
What we're proposing is to modify that to allow

2543
03:33:28,390 --> 03:33:35,190
our storage tanks in lower levels, particularly in the R75 and R8 zone, but it has to still be

2544
03:33:35,190 --> 03:33:41,130
publicly owned tank or some of that services they publicly are public facility such as the water

2545
03:33:41,130 --> 03:33:46,850
concerns he district. So the ordinances are outlined for that specific purpose. It has to be

2546
03:33:46,850 --> 03:33:52,250
a municipal water storage tank as outlined. So we propose that these be changed to allow a future

2547
03:33:52,250 --> 03:33:57,630
expansion of these types of tanks that would be particularly two of municipal water authority.

2548
03:33:58,150 --> 03:33:59,730
So any questions that I can address?

2549
03:34:03,330 --> 03:34:04,870
Any questions from the council?

2550
03:34:07,490 --> 03:34:09,210
Okay, this is a public hearing.

2551
03:34:09,210 --> 03:34:18,630
So we will open it up to the public, anyone wishing to come in on this ordinance change, please give us your name and hold your comments to three minutes.

2552
03:34:20,550 --> 03:34:29,670
Seeing as how no one is coming forward will close this public comment portion of our public hearing and bring it back to the council any comments from the council.

2553
03:34:32,130 --> 03:34:34,470
All right, I would be open to a motion.

2554
03:34:34,950 --> 03:34:35,930
I can do that.

2555
03:34:35,930 --> 03:34:48,170
Move that we amend section 22610i and standard land use code 4832 water storage tanks and appendix a of the RM city code pertain to water storage tanks.

2556
03:34:48,170 --> 03:34:49,790
Is there a second?

2557
03:34:52,190 --> 03:34:52,390
Okay.

2558
03:34:53,330 --> 03:34:55,730
I will start with Councilmember Seastream.

2559
03:34:57,110 --> 03:34:57,210
Aye.

2560
03:34:58,390 --> 03:34:58,530
Aye.

2561
03:34:58,790 --> 03:34:58,970
Aye.

2562
03:34:59,350 --> 03:34:59,450
Aye.

2563
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:01,320
Okay?

2564
03:35:03,880 --> 03:35:11,760
The ordinance passes. Appreciate that. We'll move on to item 10.3. This is a public hearing for an ordinance.

2565
03:35:12,300 --> 03:35:27,840
The applicant requests the city reasoned the property located at 355 West University Parkway from the R8 zone to the PD-5 zone and amendment the PD-5 zone to include standard land use code.

2566
03:35:27,840 --> 03:35:36,220
55 30 gasoline service station with or without store as a permitted use and our presenter is Jason Bench

2567
03:35:36,220 --> 03:35:42,440
I think we have the applicant here if she would like to come forward or if there's two of you have you come forward

2568
03:35:42,440 --> 03:35:44,840
And if you could introduce yourselves

2569
03:35:45,700 --> 03:35:47,840
You'll need to turn on the speaker there

2570
03:35:50,150 --> 03:35:50,670
Okay

2571
03:35:50,670 --> 03:35:54,430
It's Leslie Mascar and with right development group would you like my address as well

2572
03:35:54,430 --> 03:35:56,430
We don't want your address, I'm sorry

2573
03:35:57,350 --> 03:36:00,730
And I'm Kevin Krosha with Horox, we've been working with them.

2574
03:36:00,910 --> 03:36:01,170
Okay.

2575
03:36:02,070 --> 03:36:02,550
Horox engineers?

2576
03:36:03,750 --> 03:36:04,210
Yes.

2577
03:36:04,410 --> 03:36:04,710
Horox engineers.

2578
03:36:05,050 --> 03:36:05,190
Okay.

2579
03:36:05,530 --> 03:36:06,250
Thank you.

2580
03:36:06,390 --> 03:36:08,150
Jason will turn the time over to you.

2581
03:36:08,490 --> 03:36:08,930
Thank you, Mayor.

2582
03:36:09,510 --> 03:36:13,850
Members of the Council, just to orient yourself with the PD-5 zone, there, it's a long

2583
03:36:13,850 --> 03:36:20,110
university parkway, roughly from seconds east all the way to fourth west.

2584
03:36:21,030 --> 03:36:25,070
The property in question is this piece right here, which is on right now, by century

2585
03:36:25,070 --> 03:36:25,510
Utah.

2586
03:36:25,510 --> 03:36:26,970
Sounds like you may have purchased the property.

2587
03:36:27,090 --> 03:36:29,230
And formerly owned by a century-to-wire,

2588
03:36:29,450 --> 03:36:31,850
Conservancy District, the applicants are here

2589
03:36:31,850 --> 03:36:33,810
to request that that property be rezoned

2590
03:36:33,810 --> 03:36:34,830
to the PD-5 zone.

2591
03:36:35,830 --> 03:36:36,750
So that's one request.

2592
03:36:36,930 --> 03:36:39,630
The other request is to amend the PD-5 zone

2593
03:36:39,630 --> 03:36:43,510
to add as a land use within that zone,

2594
03:36:43,590 --> 03:36:46,370
gasoline, service stations, a within without a store.

2595
03:36:46,990 --> 03:36:48,810
So there's two requests before you tonight.

2596
03:36:53,110 --> 03:36:54,270
Just to show you the concept plan

2597
03:36:54,270 --> 03:36:55,630
that the applicants have proposed,

2598
03:36:55,850 --> 03:36:57,610
they do want to keep the existing office building

2599
03:36:57,610 --> 03:37:09,610
That's currently there. They do also want to propose a hotel that you see there, and then they also want to propose a the Maverick C-store on the corner of the fourth West and University Parkway.

2600
03:37:10,090 --> 03:37:24,170
As part of our review, we did, as part of the BRT review, science, public finance, and connection with RCLCo and Altens here, as they did a an overall study of the BRT line.

2601
03:37:24,170 --> 03:37:28,990
And one of their projects or locations that they identified was this particular property

2602
03:37:28,990 --> 03:37:33,670
that if, if and when it is redeveloped, they felt it was inappropriate because of the views

2603
03:37:33,670 --> 03:37:36,150
because of the access and proximity to the transit.

2604
03:37:36,870 --> 03:37:41,530
As you recall, there is a direct stop for the BRT line directly in front of this property.

2605
03:37:42,450 --> 03:37:47,450
It is have some specific and fantastic views for my 15 others.

2606
03:37:47,630 --> 03:37:52,490
So with that, I mean, they can, or did support up to 200,000 square feet of office.

2607
03:37:52,490 --> 03:37:54,430
Of course, that's market driven.

2608
03:37:54,870 --> 03:37:57,470
This is the consultants coming up with the plan.

2609
03:37:57,670 --> 03:38:00,670
It's not a definite, but that is something that they had supported.

2610
03:38:00,850 --> 03:38:03,350
Staff also, what support that as well.

2611
03:38:04,450 --> 03:38:12,010
But the applicant's request, I guess, in two parts, is that, like I say, the humanities

2612
03:38:12,010 --> 03:38:14,490
to allow the standard land use code, and then also,

2613
03:38:14,690 --> 03:38:15,850
rezoned it to PDFIME.

2614
03:38:16,510 --> 03:38:18,210
So, planning commission did review the project,

2615
03:38:19,110 --> 03:38:26,170
And they did, I'll recommend that the guests, that's all you could be denied and also that the

2616
03:38:26,170 --> 03:38:28,470
PDV 5 is on request to be denied also.

2617
03:38:28,870 --> 03:38:33,070
We would suggest that maybe that may continue to allow the applicant time to come back with a different

2618
03:38:33,070 --> 03:38:34,150
concept plan.

2619
03:38:34,390 --> 03:38:37,870
And that's the Council fills a different thing going forward, but that would be staffs request.

2620
03:38:38,390 --> 03:38:40,370
Any questions that I can specifically address?

2621
03:38:40,370 --> 03:38:48,250
No, I have a question for Leslie, is there anybody working in the office building right now?

2622
03:38:48,670 --> 03:38:53,810
I know that central Utah water moved to exact where and has purchased that.

2623
03:38:54,090 --> 03:38:56,530
So is there anybody in that office building as we speak?

2624
03:38:57,090 --> 03:38:58,370
It's currently vacant.

2625
03:39:00,210 --> 03:39:00,430
All right.

2626
03:39:01,630 --> 03:39:04,910
And they did have, and you can see underlying this,

2627
03:39:04,910 --> 03:39:15,830
some very beautiful gardens and grounds sitting there and my question is, we're going to discuss some of the things that could occur,

2628
03:39:16,450 --> 03:39:28,030
but you did mention that you would like to, as part of the plan anyway, maybe use some of those grounds and have a little park there in the corner.

2629
03:39:28,370 --> 03:39:30,870
Can you maybe talk about that a little bit?

2630
03:39:30,870 --> 03:39:35,850
I've prepared a presentation, would it be okay if we pull that up?

2631
03:39:36,050 --> 03:39:38,070
I provided that to Steve earlier.

2632
03:39:38,670 --> 03:39:38,950
Sure.

2633
03:39:39,950 --> 03:39:42,590
Hold on one second, Sam, did you have a comment or do you want to wait?

2634
03:39:43,090 --> 03:39:48,810
Well, I'll just a question, and we can address later, but it had to do with the recommendation from staff

2635
03:39:48,810 --> 03:39:50,590
if we wanted to proceed down that way.

2636
03:39:50,890 --> 03:39:59,950
If we continued the PDs on part of it and voted now to decline or reject the...

2637
03:40:00,180 --> 03:40:07,200
The gas station part of it. Is there a mechanism where we can send it back to the planning commission to have them review this again?

2638
03:40:07,440 --> 03:40:14,740
Because one of the reasons I asked that last year when we were voting on the student housing project, not that far from here.

2639
03:40:15,020 --> 03:40:19,240
I had hoped that we could send it back to the planning commission so they could review it again.

2640
03:40:20,060 --> 03:40:27,880
Because in three weeks between when they voted on it and when we voted on it, so much changed where the staff went from negative to neutral to positive.

2641
03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:40,580
But we just proceeded to vote, if we did, go down that path by continuing it here, do we also have a mechanism to send it back to the planning commission to have them review any alternate plan that is proposed?

2642
03:40:41,320 --> 03:40:43,260
I would have to defer to Steve on that.

2643
03:40:43,700 --> 03:40:45,900
Sure, you could request it to go back to the planning commission.

2644
03:40:46,240 --> 03:40:50,680
Have that asked them to review it again and give you their comments and recommendations on it.

2645
03:40:50,960 --> 03:40:51,880
Okay, thank you.

2646
03:40:52,720 --> 03:40:53,120
Okay,

2647
03:40:57,860 --> 03:40:57,860
so,

2648
03:41:07,200 --> 03:41:17,060
other setting up may or any question. The current ingress and egress is situated. Is that required to be there?

2649
03:41:17,260 --> 03:41:22,500
Do they have flexibility to move that, either further to the south or to the north?

2650
03:41:24,360 --> 03:41:30,680
There is an elevation change as you go further south, so there is a significant elevation difference. I imagine they could.

2651
03:41:30,680 --> 03:41:34,960
I mean, that's, they'd have to dig into the hillside and then have a driveway going up.

2652
03:41:35,520 --> 03:41:38,280
But that's not required by the current.

2653
03:41:39,300 --> 03:41:41,560
No, I think it's separated further south, Paul.

2654
03:41:41,620 --> 03:41:42,320
Good regards to them.

2655
03:41:42,680 --> 03:41:44,480
The widen the access a little bit.

2656
03:41:44,800 --> 03:41:45,180
It's there.

2657
03:41:45,400 --> 03:41:48,320
They're also the access going west.

2658
03:41:48,740 --> 03:41:50,900
There is needs to be a separation between those two.

2659
03:41:51,480 --> 03:41:52,280
Thank you.

2660
03:41:52,680 --> 03:41:59,920
And just to make it plain, you does not allow us to do an access on the university parkway.

2661
03:41:59,920 --> 03:42:01,700
That has grown this property, correct?

2662
03:42:02,800 --> 03:42:03,500
All right, Leslie.

2663
03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:07,860
Okay?

2664
03:42:08,680 --> 03:42:11,080
But I guess I can go ahead and get started.

2665
03:42:11,460 --> 03:42:14,360
The request that's before you tonight is Jason.

2666
03:42:14,640 --> 03:42:19,180
So eloquently described is we have a request for a tax amendment

2667
03:42:19,580 --> 03:42:21,840
to include a C-store use.

2668
03:42:22,280 --> 03:42:25,360
The zone that is directly adjacent on the west side

2669
03:42:25,360 --> 03:42:30,400
actually allows convenient stores as part of that zone.

2670
03:42:30,400 --> 03:42:32,140
I believe it's a permitted use.

2671
03:42:32,140 --> 03:42:36,980
And the second request is to re-zone to the PD zone.

2672
03:42:37,680 --> 03:42:42,280
My first slide illustrates, as it's pulling up.

2673
03:42:45,500 --> 03:42:47,560
It illustrates the PD-5 zone.

2674
03:42:48,140 --> 03:42:50,740
But I did ensure that there was a bit of transparency

2675
03:42:50,940 --> 03:42:55,220
so that you can see what is located within that area.

2676
03:42:55,720 --> 03:42:59,740
The staff reported identifies that this area,

2677
03:42:59,740 --> 03:43:07,340
the PD-5 zone is fully developed out, and in fact it is. A convenient store, there's

2678
03:43:07,340 --> 03:43:14,740
a science as far as where it can locate. They typically locate at hard corners. They can't locate

2679
03:43:14,740 --> 03:43:23,140
in line, mid-block, just because their business is all about convenience. And so it's how do I

2680
03:43:23,140 --> 03:43:29,140
capture the existing traffic that's located in the surrounding area into the site as quickly as possible,

2681
03:43:29,140 --> 03:43:35,940
and is conveniently as possible, and so if you look at that particular area, there are only

2682
03:43:35,940 --> 03:43:43,800
a few areas where the convenience store can actually locate. One property being our property

2683
03:43:43,800 --> 03:43:48,820
that which includes our proposal, and then the other intersection would be Main Street,

2684
03:43:49,140 --> 03:43:55,470
which includes a card dealership, and then also a variety of other businesses, including some

2685
03:43:55,470 --> 03:44:00,470
this thing building that are located within that intersection area.

2686
03:44:01,390 --> 03:44:02,630
How are you guys coming on that?

2687
03:44:04,870 --> 03:44:05,670
I have a question.

2688
03:44:06,530 --> 03:44:06,690
Sure.

2689
03:44:07,050 --> 03:44:07,450
Councillor Stranger.

2690
03:44:07,950 --> 03:44:12,070
You mentioned, I guess, the Maverick is what you're talking about.

2691
03:44:12,210 --> 03:44:15,310
Maverick is what we're proposing for this particular site.

2692
03:44:15,430 --> 03:44:15,870
Yes, yes.

2693
03:44:16,050 --> 03:44:16,470
They're policy.

2694
03:44:16,990 --> 03:44:17,470
They don't.

2695
03:44:18,370 --> 03:44:19,510
They're a midblocks all over.

2696
03:44:19,570 --> 03:44:21,410
In order for them to be successful.

2697
03:44:21,510 --> 03:44:22,030
Yes.

2698
03:44:22,030 --> 03:44:27,770
But the hard corner is the most critical portion of property that they need to be located

2699
03:44:27,770 --> 03:44:28,310
at.

2700
03:44:29,030 --> 03:44:35,950
And so yes, you can see that there are some convenient source that may look at block, however

2701
03:44:35,950 --> 03:44:40,750
the access needs to be superior in order to get vehicles in and out.

2702
03:44:41,070 --> 03:44:47,830
But to have passenger vehicles drive along distance, it becomes very inconvenient and difficult.

2703
03:44:47,830 --> 03:44:59,950
This is the slide that I wanted to point to, and as you can see, at the corner of Main Street in the University Parkway, it is currently zoned as a PD12 zone, and so...

2704
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,300
This zone change would not be applied to that particular portion of the property, and then on the rest of that intersection, you have Ashley furniture.

2705
03:45:10,460 --> 03:45:20,560
The existing parking requirement within the zone is one parking solper 250 square feet, and so they do need that parking associated with it.

2706
03:45:20,580 --> 03:45:27,820
Visibility is very important to car dealerships, and so the likelihood of a convenience or being located at that corner is very small.

2707
03:45:27,820 --> 03:45:33,420
the pet smart, the parcel is so small in order to get any type of

2708
03:45:33,420 --> 03:45:36,020
this story. You would actually have to assemble both of those

2709
03:45:36,020 --> 03:45:39,500
parcels. The typical size of a convenient source about two

2710
03:45:39,500 --> 03:45:45,200
acres. And so you would need a sufficient area in order to

2711
03:45:45,200 --> 03:45:49,840
make that happen at that particular location. In the event that

2712
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:53,340
the council does would like to see a convenient

2713
03:45:53,340 --> 03:45:59,120
store located at this site where we're proposing it, there are also some other mechanisms

2714
03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:05,700
that you could consider. One would be to allow us to rezone to the highway commercial zone,

2715
03:46:05,860 --> 03:46:11,700
which is located directly west of this property, and then the other mechanism would be to allow

2716
03:46:11,700 --> 03:46:16,940
us to create a new zone, such as the PD12 zone, but it would be a separate zone, which would allow

2717
03:46:16,940 --> 03:46:23,260
all of the PD5 uses with the inclusion of course of the convenience store, and we would

2718
03:46:23,260 --> 03:46:24,720
absolutely be open to that.

2719
03:46:25,220 --> 03:46:29,720
So, Leslie, just one second, Jason, do you concur with that?

2720
03:46:30,100 --> 03:46:36,520
Changing if this were changed to a PD12, allowing then a convenience store in there that

2721
03:46:36,520 --> 03:46:41,420
would not affect any other PD-5 areas with a convenience store?

2722
03:46:41,520 --> 03:46:42,380
We don't.

2723
03:46:42,380 --> 03:46:44,540
We don't want to see a gas station on that corner.

2724
03:46:45,040 --> 03:46:49,960
No, no, I know that, but what I was saying is it would not affect the rest of the PD-5's

2725
03:46:49,960 --> 03:46:54,140
And if it was a PD12, that is an option.

2726
03:46:57,440 --> 03:46:59,740
I'd please, all right, thank you so much.

2727
03:47:00,300 --> 03:47:05,460
This is the second of discussion tonight.

2728
03:47:05,900 --> 03:47:08,400
I just wanted to point out the existing building.

2729
03:47:08,760 --> 03:47:10,620
It's 28,000 square feet.

2730
03:47:11,160 --> 03:47:14,640
We plan on retaining the building and utilizing it.

2731
03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:15,860
It's a very nice building.

2732
03:47:16,560 --> 03:47:19,720
And then I also wanted to point the curvature of this road,

2733
03:47:19,720 --> 03:47:25,880
which also impacts some of the views from I-15 and I'll kind of go through those with you.

2734
03:47:26,480 --> 03:47:32,060
This is a view of this site. You can see it kind of back here.

2735
03:47:32,620 --> 03:47:35,380
It's headed. You can actually see the building.

2736
03:47:35,660 --> 03:47:36,780
This is from the west.

2737
03:47:36,980 --> 03:47:38,980
This is from the walking east.

2738
03:47:38,980 --> 03:47:39,480
Looking east.

2739
03:47:39,540 --> 03:47:40,480
Thank you so much.

2740
03:47:40,480 --> 03:47:45,920
This is the crispy cream and then this is the water conservancy property right here.

2741
03:47:45,920 --> 03:47:58,880
And then this is a view that's farther back, it's about two blocks west of the water conservancy property, and you can kind of see it right about here.

2742
03:47:59,880 --> 03:48:09,800
And then if you're sitting on the property looking west, this is your view, very beautiful vegetation and landscaping.

2743
03:48:09,800 --> 03:48:11,660
This is the crispy cream.

2744
03:48:12,480 --> 03:48:19,820
If you notice the building is about 18 feet from the bottom up to the roof line,

2745
03:48:20,240 --> 03:48:26,020
if you won't apply that several times to the peak of the vegetation,

2746
03:48:26,020 --> 03:48:30,820
the vegetation actually expands over 108 feet.

2747
03:48:31,940 --> 03:48:37,860
This is the view looking towards the rear of the property or the south side of the property looking

2748
03:48:37,860 --> 03:48:46,460
west, which is of hotels and existing multi-family buildings, and then of course we're just

2749
03:48:46,460 --> 03:48:54,080
back kind of looking east at the site. This is the proposal that we have tonight. It includes

2750
03:48:54,080 --> 03:49:02,160
the convenient store located at the hard corner with the dispensers located along University Parkway.

2751
03:49:02,160 --> 03:49:11,780
At the rear, we have a four-story hotel, which we will also retain, it will include 90 rooms and also four stories.

2752
03:49:12,360 --> 03:49:17,980
And then as I mentioned earlier, there's an existing office building with 28,000 square feet.

2753
03:49:19,020 --> 03:49:23,100
We are currently working with Maverick on the site.

2754
03:49:23,380 --> 03:49:32,140
And as the mayor mentioned earlier, we would be open to providing some type of a pocket park located at the corner so that

2755
03:49:32,140 --> 03:49:41,700
passengers who are using the BRT line will be able to connect into the site, enjoy the

2756
03:49:41,700 --> 03:49:49,880
pocket park, and then also be able to purchase any amenities that are located within the

2757
03:49:49,880 --> 03:49:54,580
convenience store. We're also happy to include some bike racks as well. We know that biking

2758
03:49:54,580 --> 03:49:59,900
is something that's really important to a lot of those BRT passengers as well.

2759
03:50:02,160 --> 03:50:10,280
Lastly, what would the park include and how big would it be? Would it have any water feature to it?

2760
03:50:10,500 --> 03:50:17,340
If you would like if water feature, we discuss that initially, but we would be open to including some type of a water feature.

2761
03:50:17,880 --> 03:50:27,080
And then also, I believe we spoke about some type of an entrance feature sign for Oram City. And of course, we would be open to that as well.

2762
03:50:29,070 --> 03:50:33,110
There's also an existing amphitheater that is located.

2763
03:50:33,310 --> 03:50:38,210
I'm not sure if anyone has been out to the site that is located in this area,

2764
03:50:38,950 --> 03:50:43,750
and we're also going to retain that as an additional amenity.

2765
03:50:44,270 --> 03:50:47,990
Something else that I would really like to point out about the convenient store

2766
03:50:47,990 --> 03:50:51,450
is that they have an excellent security system.

2767
03:50:51,930 --> 03:50:55,290
And I just feel like this adds an additional level of security

2768
03:50:55,290 --> 03:51:01,870
for the passengers of the BRT line, especially for those passengers who are traveling throughout

2769
03:51:01,870 --> 03:51:04,190
the dark hours of the night.

2770
03:51:04,650 --> 03:51:10,790
Maverick is typically used as kind of a safe spot where divorce couples will bring, they'll

2771
03:51:10,790 --> 03:51:16,290
meet up at a Maverick because their security system is just such high quality.

2772
03:51:16,950 --> 03:51:23,370
In fact, it typically covers their site and then it spills over onto the streets and so local

2773
03:51:23,370 --> 03:51:29,430
officers, if there's any kind of an accident at the intersection, they typically reach out to

2774
03:51:29,430 --> 03:51:35,230
Maverick. That's always one of their first calls so that they can see what actually occurred.

2775
03:51:38,900 --> 03:51:44,580
This is an economic development strategic plan that was prepared in 2014 by Zion Bank,

2776
03:51:45,440 --> 03:51:52,580
public finance. I believe it was adopted by the City Council in 2015. I've highlighted a few

2777
03:51:52,580 --> 03:52:02,140
sections of this study and it basically states that there's a shortage or a leakage of yearly

2778
03:52:02,140 --> 03:52:10,780
cells of approximately 35 to 36 million with a combined use between the convenient stores

2779
03:52:10,780 --> 03:52:12,380
and then also the hotels.

2780
03:52:12,820 --> 03:52:17,500
And I'm happy to pass this around, would you mind helping me?

2781
03:52:17,620 --> 03:52:17,900
May I?

2782
03:52:18,200 --> 03:52:20,980
Is it okay if we approach the council and?

2783
03:52:20,980 --> 03:52:23,920
Yeah, go ahead and pass that around.

2784
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:32,240
I'm a police skip this.

2785
03:52:32,880 --> 03:52:40,000
Jason mentioned an additional study that was recently performed by the same group at Science

2786
03:52:40,000 --> 03:52:41,080
Public Finance.

2787
03:52:41,760 --> 03:52:50,040
They provided a TOD study and what they're illustrating in this slide is that the rent

2788
03:52:50,040 --> 03:52:53,140
rates for office is $16 a square foot.

2789
03:52:53,140 --> 03:53:04,520
And the reason why this is significant is, I've mentioned to many council members, it places a valuation of the building, the existing building of six and a half million.

2790
03:53:05,120 --> 03:53:12,960
And so if you take the 28,000 square foot building, you multiply that by the $16 square foot office rate.

2791
03:53:12,960 --> 03:53:16,480
It provides you with a valuation of 448,000.

2792
03:53:16,740 --> 03:53:19,600
You divide that by the 7% capitalization rate,

2793
03:53:19,600 --> 03:53:21,200
which is shown right here.

2794
03:53:21,500 --> 03:53:25,780
And it provides you of a valuation of 6,5 million

2795
03:53:25,780 --> 03:53:26,680
on the building.

2796
03:53:28,620 --> 03:53:32,480
This is another portion of that study.

2797
03:53:32,960 --> 03:53:36,420
And it's just illustrating that this site, 400 West

2798
03:53:36,420 --> 03:53:40,600
and the University Parkway, is also ideal for future retail,

2799
03:53:41,060 --> 03:53:41,680
just two.

2800
03:53:41,680 --> 03:53:49,300
So, Leslie, one thing I might say, the rental rates out in Lehigh are much higher than that, obviously,

2801
03:53:49,940 --> 03:53:57,620
and we have the King and Technology Park, and their rental rates are higher than the $16

2802
03:53:57,620 --> 03:54:06,500
of square foot as well. So, they're in the $21, I think, $23, $25, and at Lehigh they're higher than that.

2803
03:54:06,500 --> 03:54:12,680
So I understand you're 16, but I think the 16 is skewing your report in my opinion.

2804
03:54:13,060 --> 03:54:16,260
If it is higher than you're

2805
03:54:19,010 --> 03:54:21,550
right, then you're talking about growth rate with KM.

2806
03:54:25,100 --> 03:54:33,480
So net versus growth, but anyway, the rental rate that I've seen available for those properties

2807
03:54:33,480 --> 03:54:36,320
are higher than what you're showing here.

2808
03:54:36,320 --> 03:54:38,560
So this is actually the...

2809
03:54:38,560 --> 03:54:39,560
And that's what I'm saying

2810
03:54:42,830 --> 03:54:43,910
once you did this,

2811
03:54:43,910 --> 03:54:47,310
the doctor should act as queen, etc.

2812
03:54:47,510 --> 03:54:50,650
I think they're about the same and she can confirm or deny that.

2813
03:54:51,510 --> 03:54:54,810
So this is actually from the study that was prepared by

2814
03:54:54,810 --> 03:54:55,970
Science Public Finance.

2815
03:54:56,150 --> 03:54:59,410
This is the TOD study that Jason referred to earlier.

2816
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:08,000
And this is their number, which is $16 a square foot. The highest that we've seen from our brokers is about

2817
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:16,040
$18 a square foot. And so you will see a slight fluctuation, but our numbers are actually fairly close to

2818
03:55:16,520 --> 03:55:21,660
the numbers that we're provided in this report that was prepared for a warm city.

2819
03:55:24,250 --> 03:55:26,310
And the last thing that I have is

2820
03:55:26,310 --> 03:55:33,950
some elevations that Maverick has kindly provided to us, which I understand you're most likely

2821
03:55:33,950 --> 03:55:40,790
familiar with our product, but they have included some new colors and materials associated

2822
03:55:40,790 --> 03:55:48,190
with this particular building. And I would like to introduce my traffic engineer. His name is Kevin

2823
03:55:48,190 --> 03:55:54,770
Krosha. I'd like to give him a few minutes to address traffic and the traffic impact study which was prepared.

2824
03:55:56,490 --> 03:56:02,490
Okay, thank you, Mayor and Council, just want to be brief and quick, just regarding the traffic.

2825
03:56:02,650 --> 03:56:13,070
We looked at the site when a sea source included in the traffic study, it's a high generator of traffic, especially during the peak hours, and so as we looked at it.

2826
03:56:15,470 --> 03:56:25,050
With the, with it being near University Parkway, we looked at that intersection as well as the two intersections, the access to the west as well as the access onto the property.

2827
03:56:26,230 --> 03:56:35,230
And so, looking at the overall kind of with growth and with the site on the included in the analysis,

2828
03:56:36,790 --> 03:56:44,130
the only real mitigations required would be to update the signal timing on University Parkway.

2829
03:56:44,430 --> 03:56:51,750
That's its own animal. It's a big intersection and adding lanes would probably be on realistic anyways.

2830
03:56:52,450 --> 03:56:55,430
And so that would be a large coordination effort with you

2831
03:56:55,430 --> 03:56:58,650
dot on looking at that on that side of things.

2832
03:56:59,230 --> 03:57:00,390
Also look, sorry Mayor.

2833
03:57:00,430 --> 03:57:01,110
No, go ahead.

2834
03:57:02,050 --> 03:57:06,730
And then looking at the site specifically and the two accesses

2835
03:57:06,730 --> 03:57:10,290
the access to the west as well as the site access.

2836
03:57:11,730 --> 03:57:18,950
Looked at with our 2050 traffic projections as well as the

2837
03:57:18,950 --> 03:57:22,610
the distance of those two accesses being so close.

2838
03:57:22,810 --> 03:57:24,030
We looked at the queueing.

2839
03:57:24,250 --> 03:57:27,630
That's anticipated with the signal universe,

2840
03:57:28,090 --> 03:57:32,770
the parkway, as well as just to make sure

2841
03:57:32,770 --> 03:57:34,930
that the queue isn't, you know,

2842
03:57:35,090 --> 03:57:36,590
so the left turns going west

2843
03:57:36,590 --> 03:57:39,030
and left turns turning in onto the site.

2844
03:57:39,650 --> 03:57:40,870
Wouldn't impact each other.

2845
03:57:41,830 --> 03:57:45,010
Our analysis shows that the 95th percentile

2846
03:57:45,010 --> 03:57:46,890
will not, there will not be any impact.

2847
03:57:47,570 --> 03:57:48,790
Of course, I'm not gonna say that

2848
03:57:48,790 --> 03:57:55,030
It's never going to happen, but when we looked at it in the analysis, if it ever did happen,

2849
03:57:55,190 --> 03:58:01,710
it would happen for maybe 10 to 20 seconds, and then it would the cues would flush out and

2850
03:58:01,710 --> 03:58:03,430
it would operate just fine.

2851
03:58:04,110 --> 03:58:10,090
The other, sorry, were those the studies you did based on current traffic flows that are going

2852
03:58:10,090 --> 03:58:11,450
through the area there?

2853
03:58:11,930 --> 03:58:14,830
And so the other thing we also looked at too is for our future growth.

2854
03:58:14,830 --> 03:58:22,290
We looked at mags, travel demand model, and their anticipated growth with all the projects

2855
03:58:22,830 --> 03:58:29,370
anticipated through 2050, just to make sure that we're getting the right projections

2856
03:58:29,370 --> 03:58:30,190
for growth.

2857
03:58:31,170 --> 03:58:39,010
The other recommendations we have is, as Leslie mentioned, there are, I think it was Paul,

2858
03:58:39,410 --> 03:58:43,990
there's a wider access to the site, a 50-foot access that will be accessing the site,

2859
03:58:43,990 --> 03:58:57,990
And we would extend that 50 foot access to about 80 feet into the site to allow for the cars to turn in and to access the C-store without congesting access.

2860
03:58:59,170 --> 03:59:12,430
Also, just four trucks, large trucks accessing the site would take the access road all the way to the back before entering into the C-store that corners too tight for a large truck.

2861
03:59:12,430 --> 03:59:21,210
And then, I guess, again, I think those were kind of the main recommendations from the study.

2862
03:59:22,570 --> 03:59:29,570
So, when it comes to traffic, the only way I can really relate to this is the Maverick store on 8th North.

2863
03:59:30,710 --> 03:59:32,810
Just east of the freeway.

2864
03:59:33,390 --> 03:59:37,450
And it's right across from McDonald's, it's north of 8th North.

2865
03:59:37,450 --> 03:59:43,790
It looks like you have eight pump stations proposed to you if I'm correct.

2866
03:59:44,310 --> 03:59:47,970
I mean, as I counted those, it looks like there's eight islands.

2867
03:59:48,250 --> 03:59:49,810
But there's eight island pumps, you know.

2868
03:59:50,050 --> 03:59:56,690
And I just know that on eighth north, where the fabric is, and with that many islands,

2869
03:59:57,450 --> 03:59:59,950
it is a constant flow of...

2870
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:11,820
Traffic in and out on a very regular basis and it gets pretty congested. They also have a married hotel, two married hotels, right next to them, just behind them.

2871
04:00:12,820 --> 04:00:26,600
But I am aware of how much traffic this will generate. At the same time, crispy creams, doesn't generate a lot of traffic all the time, but sometimes it generates a tremendous amount.

2872
04:00:26,600 --> 04:00:33,620
When it has free donuts, when it has a sale, when it's a holiday, it becomes, you know,

2873
04:00:33,740 --> 04:00:39,060
people are backed up all the way down the parkway for a block and then come around.

2874
04:00:40,480 --> 04:00:44,480
So I feel like it's kind of a tight road to begin with.

2875
04:00:44,880 --> 04:00:47,540
And the amount of traffic going in and out of the Maverick,

2876
04:00:47,660 --> 04:00:51,780
I think, would bring tremendous amount of pressure on this area.

2877
04:00:51,780 --> 04:00:56,900
That's just my visual and my personal thinking anyway.

2878
04:00:56,900 --> 04:01:01,320
If we don't have Paul, make a few comments about that and about.

2879
04:01:01,380 --> 04:01:07,300
If he wants to join us in that council room, he's out in the hall hoping that we don't

2880
04:01:07,300 --> 04:01:10,520
put him on the spot, but he loves it.

2881
04:01:10,740 --> 04:01:12,200
Paul, come on up.

2882
04:01:12,380 --> 04:01:21,460
Maybe you can tell us what your thoughts are on the traffic as far as a maverick right there.

2883
04:01:22,960 --> 04:01:27,440
Do you have the other slide that shows the left turn,

2884
04:01:30,250 --> 04:01:31,130
queuing?

2885
04:01:34,410 --> 04:01:39,750
So while Jason's trying to queue that up, Kevin with Horox did a good analysis,

2886
04:01:42,050 --> 04:01:42,290
the

2887
04:01:42,290 --> 04:01:49,530
basically the proposed site would generate approximately a just a little over 4700 vehicles

2888
04:01:49,530 --> 04:01:50,870
of A,

2889
04:01:53,900 --> 04:01:59,220
a Maverick, a high volume Maverick, especially if it's the only one and

2890
04:01:59,840 --> 04:02:00,720
for blocks.

2891
04:02:01,720 --> 04:02:03,540
I might generate more than that.

2892
04:02:04,680 --> 04:02:07,120
You can kind of see the, I don't know if you can see,

2893
04:02:07,160 --> 04:02:08,980
make out the left turn arrows there,

2894
04:02:09,240 --> 04:02:10,420
between the criss-peak-green,

2895
04:02:11,660 --> 04:02:13,940
chop and the fabric access.

2896
04:02:14,700 --> 04:02:16,520
But those are pretty close back to back.

2897
04:02:16,960 --> 04:02:19,020
So for instance, you've got somebody northbound

2898
04:02:19,020 --> 04:02:21,400
wanting to make a left-end to the criss-peak-green

2899
04:02:21,400 --> 04:02:23,900
and all of the other businesses that are in that area.

2900
04:02:24,580 --> 04:02:26,460
At the same time, somebody's coming down

2901
04:02:26,460 --> 04:02:27,580
left into the fabric.

2902
04:02:29,280 --> 04:02:31,060
So, you'd be playing chicken.

2903
04:02:31,500 --> 04:02:37,340
So, what would happen if someone trying to do a left turn into the Maverick, you have more

2904
04:02:37,340 --> 04:02:42,820
than two or three cars and it backs up past the entrance to the crispy cream, they would

2905
04:02:42,820 --> 04:02:48,260
then make a left turn from the through lane, so they wouldn't be able to make it over to

2906
04:02:48,260 --> 04:02:49,000
the left turn area.

2907
04:02:49,280 --> 04:02:54,660
So, that's my biggest concern with the site, is that, yeah, you don't, doesn't allow an access

2908
04:02:54,660 --> 04:03:01,440
on University Parkway and I support that. University Parkway has probably 55 to 60,000 vehicles

2909
04:03:01,440 --> 04:03:08,620
a day on that. But on that area, and so we do need to limit the access to this side,

2910
04:03:10,000 --> 04:03:16,400
and one of my biggest concerns through the whole process was that offset intersection.

2911
04:03:16,400 --> 04:03:23,900
But I mean, if we blocked crispy cream entrance and exit, then that is a stuck area, and

2912
04:03:23,900 --> 04:03:27,620
then cars are backing up over onto the University Park.

2913
04:03:27,620 --> 04:03:29,620
God, I wouldn't recommend doing that.

2914
04:03:30,480 --> 04:03:33,000
But what I'm saying is the cars would do that.

2915
04:03:33,380 --> 04:03:38,200
If you had enough cars trying to come in, you're close enough that you could actually block

2916
04:03:38,200 --> 04:03:43,940
that off with cars wanting to turn into Maverick, where a crispy cream couldn't get in

2917
04:03:43,940 --> 04:03:44,120
around.

2918
04:03:44,120 --> 04:03:50,560
I think we're seeing the same thing, yes, that's a concern when you have two intersections that close together in that offset.

2919
04:03:51,820 --> 04:03:58,480
One of the things, you know, we really haven't explored putting in the access further to the south.

2920
04:03:59,200 --> 04:04:04,900
Of course, there, you know, maybe there's an opportunity to have two accesses.

2921
04:04:04,920 --> 04:04:11,380
One where it's currently out, that's just a right in right out, and then one that's a whole access further to the south.

2922
04:04:11,380 --> 04:04:17,040
So real quick. I don't know if that would be conducive to the what Leslie's talking about.

2923
04:04:17,200 --> 04:04:19,040
You need to get the quick in and out for the.

2924
04:04:19,120 --> 04:04:26,440
What is the distance from the crispy cream entrance to the Maverick entrance, I don't know how many

2925
04:04:26,440 --> 04:04:34,040
car lengths that is or how much footage that it's 80 80 feet. And so a car length is how far along.

2926
04:04:34,760 --> 04:04:42,420
about 19 feet for an ashto passing your vehicle. So you're talking two cars. Trying to turn left,

2927
04:04:42,420 --> 04:04:48,620
two cars, trying to turn left. And so you've only got four cars there plus maybe two more.

2928
04:04:49,160 --> 04:04:55,960
So you've only got a room for about six cars. Well I'm going by your 20 feet. Well and that's, you know,

2929
04:04:56,120 --> 04:04:59,960
most people don't go bumper to bumper either. Most people like to leave a few feet.

2930
04:05:00,530 --> 04:05:13,070
You know, I'm just saying it looks to me like you've got room for about six cars before you totally block crispy cream and then you block a less than that, but that's the matter. Okay.

2931
04:05:13,310 --> 04:05:14,850
Councilmember Seestrand, did you ever comment?

2932
04:05:16,750 --> 04:05:18,770
I think so. I'm trying to remember what it was.

2933
04:05:19,070 --> 04:05:23,110
We can come back. Councilmember Sunder has a comment and we'll come back to you next.

2934
04:05:23,110 --> 04:05:33,290
It was mentioned to help with the traffic flow, we could synchronize the lights on, University Parkway, you made a comment about that, can you?

2935
04:05:33,350 --> 04:05:36,770
Well, the traffic signals on the parkway are already synchronized.

2936
04:05:37,290 --> 04:05:39,870
Well, I mean, it could change the timing or whatever.

2937
04:05:40,470 --> 04:05:47,870
Well, the timing has been changed to handle the high volume of traffic that's on the parkway.

2938
04:05:47,870 --> 04:05:58,170
So, I can't imagine you'd ought changing their synchronization for the 55 to 60,000 vehicles a day to accommodate

2939
04:05:58,170 --> 04:06:03,250
4,700 vehicles from the disperposed site.

2940
04:06:03,450 --> 04:06:05,090
I can't imagine that happening.

2941
04:06:07,110 --> 04:06:11,710
Other than that, I think Mr. Crochos then a great job of analyzing the site.

2942
04:06:11,710 --> 04:06:18,830
Again, because of the way they wanted, because of the way the developer proposed laying out the site.

2943
04:06:20,410 --> 04:06:22,950
You know, they didn't want to have an access further to the south.

2944
04:06:23,150 --> 04:06:24,430
They didn't want to consider that.

2945
04:06:24,830 --> 04:06:29,130
But again, it's the, you know, how quickly can you get somebody in and out of a convenience?

2946
04:06:29,670 --> 04:06:34,870
And so it was one of those, you know, it was, it was hard to balance that issue.

2947
04:06:35,310 --> 04:06:38,990
Now, if there wasn't that crispy, true cream act of the other side of the street,

2948
04:06:38,990 --> 04:06:43,490
or if it was further to the site and lined up, but it is what it is.

2949
04:06:44,070 --> 04:06:50,770
But whatever we do with that site, whatever happens to that site, we're going to have the same issue with whatever happens there.

2950
04:06:51,250 --> 04:06:58,410
Well, I was just going to say your different uses actually dictate different amounts of traffic.

2951
04:06:59,270 --> 04:07:07,850
So Seastore necessarily involves people getting in and out quickly with convenience and you're back and forth and back and forth.

2952
04:07:07,850 --> 04:07:12,430
But that's different than what you would see with a hotel or an office building.

2953
04:07:13,110 --> 04:07:15,610
Councillor Cistrand, did you remember anything you want to say?

2954
04:07:16,010 --> 04:07:16,270
Yes.

2955
04:07:16,570 --> 04:07:17,910
I remember that from before.

2956
04:07:18,010 --> 04:07:19,030
I was making a comment.

2957
04:07:20,090 --> 04:07:25,290
Well, the aspect that I was looking at was if you isolate the different uses that are on

2958
04:07:25,290 --> 04:07:26,010
their palm.

2959
04:07:26,790 --> 04:07:32,930
So the office, the 28,000 square foot office, that's not generating much traffic.

2960
04:07:33,550 --> 04:07:38,850
Well, their traffic is more the peak out, you know, when people come to work.

2961
04:07:39,970 --> 04:07:40,770
What about the hotel?

2962
04:07:41,610 --> 04:07:46,690
And then the hotel is more kind of an evening sort of a thing and, you know, a morning.

2963
04:07:48,850 --> 04:07:52,230
But I, you know, I think they're probably a pretty good mix of uses.

2964
04:07:52,730 --> 04:07:58,290
But in my mind, and again, we haven't, we haven't actually studied what Zion's proposed.

2965
04:07:59,170 --> 04:08:05,030
in their BRT when they looked at their BRT study, we haven't actually done a traffic study

2966
04:08:05,030 --> 04:08:10,850
to say, okay, what would happen if there was a more of an office component on this?

2967
04:08:10,870 --> 04:08:11,230
Right.

2968
04:08:11,570 --> 04:08:15,830
That was kind of where I was trying to get to was, we're looking at primarily the concern

2969
04:08:15,830 --> 04:08:20,830
as the C-store from that standpoint because of the constant traffic in and out.

2970
04:08:20,910 --> 04:08:24,230
And this store is going to be more of a constant traffic feature, too.

2971
04:08:24,230 --> 04:08:27,850
or as a commercial build, an office building

2972
04:08:27,850 --> 04:08:29,490
would generate less traffic.

2973
04:08:30,630 --> 04:08:34,550
Generally speaking, that's for your peak hours.

2974
04:08:34,770 --> 04:08:36,050
Except for your peak hour.

2975
04:08:36,330 --> 04:08:38,990
But then again, I don't know how much

2976
04:08:38,990 --> 04:08:41,770
is the UVX line going to be able to contribute

2977
04:08:41,770 --> 04:08:44,190
to somebody who wants to work in that.

2978
04:08:44,550 --> 04:08:50,130
And if you use transit, then I think

2979
04:08:50,130 --> 04:08:53,450
that's one of the reasons why Zion's recommended that site

2980
04:08:53,450 --> 04:08:57,570
for office is because it would be, it would be, it would be, it would be, it would,

2981
04:08:57,570 --> 04:09:05,870
yes, it would, right now too, there's UVX is carrying 15,000 to 16,000 passengers a day

2982
04:09:05,870 --> 04:09:07,190
on it.

2983
04:09:07,790 --> 04:09:15,690
And this would be, this would be a site where I think a lot of what would happen at the office

2984
04:09:15,690 --> 04:09:15,990
building.

2985
04:09:16,370 --> 04:09:23,430
Now, again, if you compare the UVX that's there at that intersection, yeah, the C-store,

2986
04:09:23,430 --> 04:09:28,150
Yeah, sure, if somebody wants to get a big gold, I'm sorry, that's the wrong brand.

2987
04:09:29,350 --> 04:09:34,410
Anyway, whatever else you get better, you know, that's one of those things that, yes, it's a convenience.

2988
04:09:34,550 --> 04:09:39,430
If I've got a few minutes between the, you know, then I'm going to go ahead and go there.

2989
04:09:39,610 --> 04:09:44,190
But versus somebody who's going to, let's say, work at that location.

2990
04:09:45,310 --> 04:09:51,850
And there are not too many people or I think are going to take transit for a few blocks

2991
04:09:51,850 --> 04:09:57,190
to go get some goodies at a convenience store, no matter what kind of a convenience store

2992
04:09:57,190 --> 04:09:59,950
it is, but if it's office, they're going to...

2993
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:02,460
We're going to take that service every day.

2994
04:10:02,800 --> 04:10:04,120
Thank you.

2995
04:10:04,320 --> 04:10:07,740
I'm very illicit to find if I address some of those items.

2996
04:10:07,840 --> 04:10:08,120
Sure.

2997
04:10:08,980 --> 04:10:11,200
I'm going to say real quick.

2998
04:10:11,500 --> 04:10:12,060
Councilor Lorette.

2999
04:10:12,240 --> 04:10:14,080
Do you have a question that she maybe could address?

3000
04:10:17,900 --> 04:10:18,120
All right.

3001
04:10:18,240 --> 04:10:18,780
Go ahead.

3002
04:10:19,200 --> 04:10:19,460
I'm sorry.

3003
04:10:23,990 --> 04:10:25,270
I just have a few things.

3004
04:10:26,010 --> 04:10:27,810
Typically, it can be against storm.

3005
04:10:28,270 --> 04:10:30,730
They're not necessarily a destination location.

3006
04:10:31,330 --> 04:10:35,770
However, the capture of the existing traffic that is located all the time.

3007
04:10:35,770 --> 04:10:41,830
on the roads, it's not like a Chick-fil-A where you're going to actually drive to a restaurant

3008
04:10:42,660 --> 04:10:47,890
to be able to enjoy that facility, but it's all about convenience and capturing that

3009
04:10:47,890 --> 04:10:52,810
existing traffic, and so a convenience sort of doesn't necessarily add additional traffic

3010
04:10:52,810 --> 04:10:55,250
to the roads, it's just capturing that.

3011
04:10:56,090 --> 04:11:01,670
We have identified three different uses on the site, which we feel are very complimentary

3012
04:11:01,670 --> 04:11:10,250
of one another, especially geared towards the high peak times. The convenience store obviously

3013
04:11:10,250 --> 04:11:17,070
has a different peak volume traffic flow than the hotel where the hotel you're going to

3014
04:11:17,070 --> 04:11:22,450
see customers coming in throughout the day. The convenience store, it's basically capturing

3015
04:11:22,450 --> 04:11:29,870
that existing traffic and then obviously the office, the peak hours for that would be associated

3016
04:11:29,870 --> 04:11:37,230
to most likely 8 to 5 or 9 to 5, and so we feel like those uses all complement each other very

3017
04:11:37,230 --> 04:11:44,630
nicely. The other item that was brought up is the additional access. We're not necessarily

3018
04:11:45,470 --> 04:11:53,250
hung on the idea. We like the location of the existing access, but if it does present some issues with

3019
04:11:53,250 --> 04:11:59,470
healing and stacking which RTS identifies that it doesn't and all allow Kevin to address that.

3020
04:11:59,750 --> 04:12:05,410
If it does, we have sufficient space on the site to actually locate that farther to the

3021
04:12:05,410 --> 04:12:11,110
south or as Paul mentioned, we would be open to providing a secondary access if that's

3022
04:12:11,110 --> 04:12:16,630
something that is absolutely necessary but as I've mentioned RTS, it doesn't necessarily

3023
04:12:16,630 --> 04:12:19,750
reflect those issues that were brought up.

3024
04:12:19,750 --> 04:12:32,750
The other item that was asked to consider is 200,000 square feet of office space and that the recent study that was performed by, it was for get their name, science, public finance.

3025
04:12:33,410 --> 04:12:41,650
It actually identifies that 64% of the writers that are on the BRT line are between the ages of 18 to 24.

3026
04:12:41,650 --> 04:12:50,370
And so if we're providing a lot of additional office space, I'm not sure how many really fit within that category of 18 to 24.

3027
04:12:51,550 --> 04:12:56,290
The likelihood of them having their own vehicles is actually pretty high.

3028
04:12:56,610 --> 04:13:01,830
And if we were to develop this site with a 200,000 square foot of office space,

3029
04:13:02,350 --> 04:13:07,650
the code would require up to 800 new parking stalls associated to this site.

3030
04:13:08,130 --> 04:13:11,630
That's all I have, and then I'm going to turn it over to my traffic engineer so he can.

3031
04:13:12,570 --> 04:13:12,790
Okay.

3032
04:13:14,790 --> 04:13:22,390
Yeah, so looking at the cueing, so yeah, it's about 80 feet for that kind of between the two accesses there.

3033
04:13:23,170 --> 04:13:29,990
So when we run the analysis, we ran it in a program called Synchro, where there is a simulation aspect to that,

3034
04:13:29,990 --> 04:13:38,690
We put the anticipated volumes in there and we run it 10 different times where then we take

3035
04:13:38,690 --> 04:13:45,670
the average of those 10 runs to get a good estimate of what those average queues are going

3036
04:13:45,670 --> 04:13:46,350
to be.

3037
04:13:46,610 --> 04:13:53,970
And as I mentioned earlier, our analysis shows that there will not be necessarily much conflict

3038
04:13:53,970 --> 04:13:58,610
between the two accesses, but of course if the city would just pass a no-christ-be-cream

3039
04:13:58,610 --> 04:14:03,450
light, it's on during PMPK hour, I think we'd be okay, right?

3040
04:14:03,990 --> 04:14:09,070
But there's always that the potential of that overflow occurring, right?

3041
04:14:09,730 --> 04:14:16,930
And as we took our traffic counts, the majority of the vehicles accessing the

3042
04:14:16,930 --> 04:14:19,230
Krispy Cream do come from University Parkway.

3043
04:14:19,810 --> 04:14:23,750
And so on those occasions where there are so many vehicles, it probably, I've never been

3044
04:14:23,750 --> 04:14:27,330
there when it's spilled out onto University Parkway, but I'm sure it has before.

3045
04:14:27,330 --> 04:14:30,250
It has to be seen it.

3046
04:14:30,310 --> 04:14:36,730
Yeah, and so, but the majority of them are coming from university, Parkway, and turning right into the site versus turning left.

3047
04:14:36,930 --> 04:14:37,730
I know that.

3048
04:14:38,530 --> 04:14:44,730
So, my question is, you just mentioned it's 80 feet from the one entrance to the other entrance.

3049
04:14:45,370 --> 04:14:50,910
And you show a left turn into crispy greens and a left turn into Maverick.

3050
04:14:52,010 --> 04:14:59,950
And so, if 80 feet that allows four vehicles and you've got two basically going into crispy cream.

3051
04:15:02,240 --> 04:15:11,380
I think there's no way that you're not going to run into stacking and covering up crispy cream and then backing up.

3052
04:15:12,140 --> 04:15:26,480
Two cars to go into Maverick. I think it is totally unreasonable. I mean, if you go like I say to eights north, in turn there, you'll see what I'm talking about. Two cars doesn't get it.

3053
04:15:26,480 --> 04:15:33,060
And when cars, anyway, it just, I don't think it would work, but just practical experience.

3054
04:15:33,720 --> 04:15:40,680
Yeah, and that makes sense, and I do, as we mentioned at a report, I mean, the analysis

3055
04:15:40,680 --> 04:15:44,880
does say that it would work, but of course there's always those chances that it's going to

3056
04:15:44,880 --> 04:15:45,180
happen.

3057
04:15:45,940 --> 04:15:50,780
And even in the simulations, we saw that happen a few times, but when it did happen, it

3058
04:15:50,780 --> 04:15:53,380
was cleared with, you know, within.

3059
04:15:53,900 --> 04:15:54,900
I just can't.

3060
04:15:54,900 --> 04:16:01,600
So in vision two cars turning into Maverick as being reasonable, I mean that isn't what happens

3061
04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:10,920
out of Maverick, but anyway, but you have more because Debbie had a question, go ahead, Debbie.

3062
04:16:11,100 --> 04:16:14,920
So my assignment is with the Planning Commission and I wasn't this meeting when they talked

3063
04:16:14,920 --> 04:16:19,660
about this and I have to say that there was little or no support for the C-store.

3064
04:16:21,240 --> 04:16:25,040
The hotel, I think, was fine, they were fine with it, the office was fine.

3065
04:16:25,040 --> 04:16:31,520
But there was not a person on the commission that thought a gas station was appropriate here.

3066
04:16:31,720 --> 04:16:35,780
Some of their reasons is that we've mentioned this is a great place.

3067
04:16:36,560 --> 04:16:39,020
The views, several of them mentioned the views.

3068
04:16:39,560 --> 04:16:41,620
They were concerned about the egress and ingress.

3069
04:16:43,120 --> 04:16:47,080
And so I think I personally think the hotel would be fine, the office,

3070
04:16:47,280 --> 04:16:50,260
but I think the gas station is something that we...

3071
04:16:50,260 --> 04:16:55,500
There's no doubt that we need a gas station, we are ourselves taxed, we can just

3072
04:16:55,500 --> 04:17:00,560
just show that we need it, but we think that we as they, the commission,

3073
04:17:00,920 --> 04:17:03,280
think that could probably be okay to someplace else where we could capture

3074
04:17:03,280 --> 04:17:03,640
ourselves.

3075
04:17:04,720 --> 04:17:09,860
So, I guess the way I, what I'm saying is if we, if we could do a mixed use or

3076
04:17:09,860 --> 04:17:17,360
move the hotel closer to the Parkway, this isn't a prime piece of real estate

3077
04:17:17,360 --> 04:17:22,380
And I think our planning commission, I think they are almost unanimous in the nine this

3078
04:17:22,380 --> 04:17:23,360
year member.

3079
04:17:23,580 --> 04:17:24,140
They were unanimous.

3080
04:17:24,140 --> 04:17:24,840
They were unanimous.

3081
04:17:25,340 --> 04:17:27,520
So I think there's just very little appeal to the sea store.

3082
04:17:27,740 --> 04:17:35,380
So I just wanted to communicate with what they said, and I'm like said, I do think there's

3083
04:17:35,380 --> 04:17:36,180
a merit here.

3084
04:17:36,320 --> 04:17:39,540
And I think they're telling me office could certainly work and maybe we're going to put the

3085
04:17:39,540 --> 04:17:41,680
different concept plan for the gas station.

3086
04:17:43,340 --> 04:17:46,520
Feel that you would be open to potentially considering

3087
04:17:46,520 --> 04:17:50,180
if the existing C-store, is there any

3088
04:17:54,500 --> 04:17:55,980
existing, where is it, all right?

3089
04:17:56,440 --> 04:17:59,660
If we took this existing C-store and located at closer

3090
04:18:00,580 --> 04:18:03,160
to the street, no.

3091
04:18:03,200 --> 04:18:06,900
The dispensers to the rear and provide a nice

3092
04:18:06,900 --> 04:18:08,020
pocket part.

3093
04:18:08,600 --> 04:18:10,880
I think a hotel closer to the parkway

3094
04:18:10,880 --> 04:18:13,840
would be acceptable if a nice park there

3095
04:18:13,840 --> 04:18:18,800
But I don't think the gas station would have very much appeal, that's just my opinion.

3096
04:18:19,080 --> 04:18:26,200
So the dispensers are is that the building, the architecture, I'm just trying to get a feedback so we know how to move.

3097
04:18:26,200 --> 04:18:27,620
I just think it's the gas station.

3098
04:18:28,440 --> 04:18:30,360
I think that Mavericks are actually lovely.

3099
04:18:30,900 --> 04:18:31,760
I think they do a good job.

3100
04:18:31,900 --> 04:18:35,360
I don't think anything to do with Mavericks is just having a gas station there.

3101
04:18:35,460 --> 04:18:38,100
I just don't think it's the right fit for that property.

3102
04:18:39,980 --> 04:18:41,460
Jamie has a comment.

3103
04:18:42,260 --> 04:18:49,940
Thank you, just a question for you, Kevin, and, frankly, I'm surprised to see here, I just want to clarify that

3104
04:18:49,940 --> 04:18:55,560
Horox engineers was the engineer that completed the City's Transportation Master Plan, is that correct?

3105
04:18:57,320 --> 04:19:04,180
Yeah, and you're part of a project team that represents the City at Block to the North on the Roundabout Project here on 4th West.

3106
04:19:05,780 --> 04:19:20,100
So, how does what you're doing in this particular situation affect the traffic flows and the outcomes on the other projects that the city has retained you to represent the city on?

3107
04:19:24,250 --> 04:19:32,570
Well, from what we've done, there was a much impact to the north of the intersection,

3108
04:19:36,490 --> 04:19:42,590
But, I mean, we did look at using the travel demand model, which was using the transportation

3109
04:19:42,590 --> 04:19:43,390
master plan.

3110
04:19:43,830 --> 04:19:47,190
It has been updated a few times since we did it in the master plan, but we used that.

3111
04:19:47,530 --> 04:19:50,690
We actually hired you to update it, didn't we?

3112
04:19:52,570 --> 04:19:53,830
In the modeling.

3113
04:19:55,230 --> 04:19:57,970
As part of the master transportation plan?

3114
04:19:58,230 --> 04:19:59,770
Yes, that was a few years ago.

3115
04:20:04,640 --> 04:20:13,560
So I'm thinking very similar along the lines that Debbie is and I'm excited to see some activity with this site.

3116
04:20:13,560 --> 04:20:18,760
I think it's a very, you know, great location, excited to see what ends up going in there.

3117
04:20:19,040 --> 04:20:28,920
I'm just not convinced that this is, is it yet? You know, very similar, love the office, love the hotel, the gas station is what concerns me.

3118
04:20:28,920 --> 04:20:32,080
And not even necessarily, the convenient store is much.

3119
04:20:32,640 --> 04:20:35,620
If we had like quick-served restaurants or something like that

3120
04:20:35,620 --> 04:20:39,040
on the ground level and then had, you know, office space

3121
04:20:39,040 --> 04:20:40,560
about it, you know, some kind of mixed use.

3122
04:20:40,980 --> 04:20:43,220
I think that would really help us best leverage

3123
04:20:43,220 --> 04:20:47,160
that UVX station, which is right across the crosswalk.

3124
04:20:47,440 --> 04:20:51,520
In my mind, if I was envisioning what would be the absolute worst thing

3125
04:20:51,520 --> 04:20:54,940
to put right next to a transit stop, it would be a gas station.

3126
04:20:55,720 --> 04:20:57,940
And I, you know, nothing against Maverick or, you know,

3127
04:20:57,940 --> 04:21:05,340
I have an electric vehicle, and nothing against gas vehicles, we have one as well, but I just

3128
04:21:05,340 --> 04:21:06,320
don't see...

3129
04:21:06,320 --> 04:21:08,620
Maverick offers EV stations.

3130
04:21:09,400 --> 04:21:15,140
I just don't see this as necessarily the forward thinking, like future of how I'd love

3131
04:21:15,140 --> 04:21:16,820
to see that site develop.

3132
04:21:18,140 --> 04:21:23,740
I think the mixed use would also help us, I talked about this in the pre-meeting, the need

3133
04:21:23,740 --> 04:21:29,780
for additional parking where this really is a prime real estate and if you have mixed use

3134
04:21:29,780 --> 04:21:33,980
where you have businesses using it during the day and different types of uses, I think

3135
04:21:33,980 --> 04:21:38,940
you've captured that a little bit here with the office space and the hotel, but it just

3136
04:21:38,940 --> 04:21:44,760
reduces the amount of parking required to really adequately park those types of uses.

3137
04:21:46,540 --> 04:21:51,940
In the earlier presentation, I think most of the images were on kind of coming up the hill

3138
04:21:51,940 --> 04:21:56,240
and really kind of stressing the tie-in to the zone to the west.

3139
04:21:56,720 --> 04:22:00,700
Whereas I think the city's approaching this more from the standpoint of how it fits in with

3140
04:22:00,700 --> 04:22:05,040
everything to the east of there, which if you look at just how things are on the grade,

3141
04:22:05,200 --> 04:22:09,660
I think that it fits better with the property to the east.

3142
04:22:10,300 --> 04:22:14,120
And even if you look at the zoning map where this kind of stands out as a residential zone

3143
04:22:14,120 --> 04:22:18,820
and the midst of all these different types of commercial zones, it just seems like a better fit

3144
04:22:18,820 --> 04:22:26,720
for the PD5 zone, and so I'm not necessarily opposed to incorporating that, you know, the PD5 zone at the right time and for the right use.

3145
04:22:27,200 --> 04:22:30,660
I'm just not, I'm not concerned that the gas station is the right way to do that.

3146
04:22:32,120 --> 04:22:36,160
Another point was brought up about the security cameras that, you know,

3147
04:22:36,260 --> 04:22:41,240
Maverick puts on their stations and how that can be useful, even which is kind of keeping things safe.

3148
04:22:41,240 --> 04:22:48,260
The concern I have is when I think it was part of our impact fee study where we were looking at

3149
04:22:48,880 --> 04:22:53,820
Or maybe it was a business licensing presentation where we were talking about different types of businesses throughout the city

3150
04:22:53,820 --> 04:23:03,720
And how many calls per square foot or per location we got and convenience store was just way out ahead of all the other types of land uses that we had in the city

3151
04:23:03,720 --> 04:23:07,120
And so I understand that they have tighter security

3152
04:23:07,120 --> 04:23:18,240
But there's a reason for that because we need higher security there and and so I'm not I don't necessarily by the argument that having that next to the transit stop would help with security in my mind

3153
04:23:18,240 --> 04:23:22,040
It might be the opposite of that

3154
04:23:22,040 --> 04:23:23,280
As far as the

3155
04:23:23,880 --> 04:23:27,180
The point about this not necessarily being a destination

3156
04:23:27,980 --> 04:23:35,140
I think there's some validity to that in that it's not necessarily going to create a lot of neutrips just to go to the gas station

3157
04:23:35,140 --> 04:23:41,480
But if you look at it in the specific proximity here, I do think it creates a lot of additional

3158
04:23:41,480 --> 04:23:44,040
trips on that 400 West site.

3159
04:23:44,220 --> 04:23:48,180
So maybe not more trips along University Parkway, it's probably just capturing existing

3160
04:23:48,180 --> 04:23:48,920
trips there.

3161
04:23:49,180 --> 04:23:55,900
But I do think that 400 West, you know, kind of inlet there is going to have a huge uptick in

3162
04:23:55,900 --> 04:24:01,300
the in and out traffic, whereas with a hotel or an office space, you know, you might one person

3163
04:24:01,300 --> 04:24:04,260
might be going in and out of there a couple of times a day.

3164
04:24:04,260 --> 04:24:06,340
But if it's a gas station or something like that,

3165
04:24:06,340 --> 04:24:09,000
you're just going to have people constantly replacing each other

3166
04:24:09,000 --> 04:24:10,240
along that intersection.

3167
04:24:12,360 --> 04:24:15,100
There was also something brought up about young people,

3168
04:24:15,280 --> 04:24:17,420
not necessarily using the office space as much.

3169
04:24:17,940 --> 04:24:19,520
I'm not sure I would agree with that.

3170
04:24:19,760 --> 04:24:22,920
I most of the people I know that are in school are working as well

3171
04:24:22,920 --> 04:24:24,020
and have a job.

3172
04:24:25,420 --> 04:24:28,200
And even if you're talking about people that are graduated

3173
04:24:28,200 --> 04:24:31,500
in a full-time job outside of that,

3174
04:24:32,160 --> 04:24:37,420
I think a lot more are starting to choose public transit if they can have that convenience factor

3175
04:24:37,420 --> 04:24:43,720
of oh yeah my office is right next to the station so and especially with I'm not sure how long

3176
04:24:43,720 --> 04:24:50,080
the UVX line is going to continue to be free but as far as free fares I do think that

3177
04:24:50,080 --> 04:24:56,520
could factor in as well where if it was office space I think you'll have more people choosing

3178
04:24:56,520 --> 04:24:59,960
that as even if they still have a car that they leave at home, I think they'll...

3179
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:06,100
We'll be using that a lot more for the daily commute. If their office is literally right across the street from the U.B.

3180
04:25:06,100 --> 04:25:17,240
Exitation. So, again, I'm excited to see what goes in here and I'm confident that we can work together to define that, but I'm just not sure where they're yet with this proposal.

3181
04:25:22,360 --> 04:25:30,060
Okay. I've got a bunch of comments I want to make, but I think we'll open it up to the public to hear any comments from the public first.

3182
04:25:30,060 --> 04:25:31,280
and then I'll make my comments.

3183
04:25:32,180 --> 04:25:34,740
So this is a public hearing, so we will open it up

3184
04:25:34,740 --> 04:25:37,560
for anyone who would like to make a public comment.

3185
04:25:37,600 --> 04:25:39,680
Please hold your comments to three minutes

3186
04:25:39,680 --> 04:25:42,280
and give us your name when you come to the microphone.

3187
04:25:52,220 --> 04:25:53,160
Name is Linda Brown.

3188
04:25:54,100 --> 04:25:56,760
As I'm hearing, you're only comments on the traffic

3189
04:25:56,760 --> 04:25:59,860
is coming off from University Parkway, heading south.

3190
04:26:00,480 --> 04:26:04,780
My husband Barry and I use that street often

3191
04:26:04,780 --> 04:26:06,760
as we come off from Santiago Road

3192
04:26:06,760 --> 04:26:14,300
between a lot of apartments, and there is a blind hill, a blind curve coming up that hill,

3193
04:26:14,460 --> 04:26:20,540
and it would be a quick right turn into this maverick property, and I'll have to turn into

3194
04:26:20,540 --> 04:26:26,620
crispy cream. I think it would be a real hazard for traffic from coming from the south.

3195
04:26:27,900 --> 04:26:29,640
Thank you.

3196
04:26:29,840 --> 04:26:31,680
Were you to the neighborhood meeting?

3197
04:26:33,920 --> 04:26:34,680
You were?

3198
04:26:45,560 --> 04:26:46,460
I'm Ridge Orgy.

3199
04:26:46,620 --> 04:26:47,360
I'm one of the neighbors.

3200
04:26:47,540 --> 04:26:49,680
I'm not directly behind the development.

3201
04:26:50,520 --> 04:26:52,140
I am further down.

3202
04:26:53,400 --> 04:26:55,600
I am a diagonal from the development.

3203
04:26:56,460 --> 04:26:59,780
I know that other zones were brought up as a possibility.

3204
04:27:01,100 --> 04:27:04,720
Like a highway zone, or a PD12 zone, or other zones.

3205
04:27:04,720 --> 04:27:12,420
I would hope that whatever zone you choose to change this property to, your paying attention

3206
04:27:12,420 --> 04:27:13,120
to the neighbors.

3207
04:27:13,680 --> 04:27:17,840
I've been familiar with PD-5, I know the seven foot wall, I know the 20 foot set back so forth

3208
04:27:17,840 --> 04:27:18,480
and so on.

3209
04:27:18,800 --> 04:27:23,480
PD-12, I don't know if that was an option for a gas station or not, but that wall is only

3210
04:27:23,480 --> 04:27:24,460
about five feet.

3211
04:27:25,140 --> 04:27:29,160
The highway zone, I don't know how that impacts the neighbors.

3212
04:27:29,840 --> 04:27:33,080
And you're also talking about, I don't know if any of the neighbors are here if they're

3213
04:27:33,080 --> 04:27:39,480
of you directly behind there, you're talking about possibly moving the entrance into that area

3214
04:27:39,480 --> 04:27:43,940
for their south, some of those neighbors, I'm not sure what they would think of that.

3215
04:27:43,940 --> 04:27:49,120
And then I did want to make a comment about what they made about what they stated about 18 to

3216
04:27:49,120 --> 04:27:53,220
24-year-olds, primarily writing that line.

3217
04:27:53,540 --> 04:28:01,360
I guess when I was working, I probably would not give up my car because I would take my car during

3218
04:28:01,360 --> 04:28:04,140
the day to run other errands and do other things.

3219
04:28:04,660 --> 04:28:07,220
I also don't know that you have much transit,

3220
04:28:07,400 --> 04:28:08,440
so if you're trying to do it,

3221
04:28:08,440 --> 04:28:10,140
make it an office building complex,

3222
04:28:10,800 --> 04:28:13,640
I don't know that you have many bus lines going across

3223
04:28:13,640 --> 04:28:17,260
the city for them to get on that bus line

3224
04:28:17,260 --> 04:28:22,520
to get on the other line to get to the office building.

3225
04:28:23,140 --> 04:28:26,720
And so I don't know if that works at this point in time

3226
04:28:26,720 --> 04:28:30,060
in terms of how the mass transit set up in Orange City.

3227
04:28:30,060 --> 04:28:39,920
And I, you know, to speak positively of the right development group, I understand that they work well with neighbors, so I did want to say something about them.

3228
04:28:40,900 --> 04:28:40,960
Thanks.

3229
04:28:43,660 --> 04:28:44,860
Thank you.

3230
04:28:50,390 --> 04:28:51,750
My name is Martin Wright.

3231
04:28:52,130 --> 04:28:55,810
I came today because I wanted to talk about something else, but that's okay.

3232
04:28:58,260 --> 04:29:02,240
I've watched, and you gotta go watch what happens around other cities.

3233
04:29:02,240 --> 04:29:12,320
I work in just in Linden, they're building roads, they're building buildings and you can't predict how much traffic in there on one lane roads.

3234
04:29:12,720 --> 04:29:17,240
This is a major road that you're taking people off and moving them on to.

3235
04:29:17,960 --> 04:29:19,600
You're moving them on to an intersection.

3236
04:29:20,780 --> 04:29:25,260
You're going to have the height where she had the gas station pumps.

3237
04:29:25,500 --> 04:29:29,120
Were those lights shining across the street through the traffic?

3238
04:29:29,120 --> 04:29:34,660
You know, across the university because it's higher up right there, it's shooting across because

3239
04:29:34,660 --> 04:29:36,240
they pull through those pumps.

3240
04:29:37,020 --> 04:29:39,860
You know, I honestly don't like the way Maverick's looked.

3241
04:29:40,060 --> 04:29:41,200
That's just my personal opinion.

3242
04:29:41,440 --> 04:29:42,580
I've been throughout the country.

3243
04:29:43,000 --> 04:29:45,860
People have different ways of managing this.

3244
04:29:46,100 --> 04:29:47,900
With the hotel, higher up.

3245
04:29:48,120 --> 04:29:53,260
Make them drive in to get to the hotel, use the parking from the office building to supplement

3246
04:29:53,260 --> 04:29:53,980
the hotel.

3247
04:29:53,980 --> 04:29:59,960
I've been to hotels like that recently in Raleigh, North Carolina, that they have it all.

3248
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:06,960
Office building at night, the hotel takes all the parking spaces during the day, the office building has all the parking spaces back.

3249
04:30:07,320 --> 04:30:14,600
You know, there's ways to do to complement the parking. You know, there's ways to make this a win, win for everybody.

3250
04:30:15,080 --> 04:30:22,420
I don't think that having a gas station right there with the traffic mayor like you said, there's not enough space there.

3251
04:30:22,420 --> 04:30:33,100
If you're going to add more a wider traffic entrance and you're going to write more easements to the side of it to give people on and off, it makes sense.

3252
04:30:33,240 --> 04:30:39,340
But if you're just going to move it and put a divider down the middle and expect people to get into it, I don't see how they're going to do it.

3253
04:30:39,900 --> 04:30:49,600
So either you got to move where the map where it's going to be at or change the philosophy of how we, and what do you want to see to look like when we first thing you drive into?

3254
04:30:49,600 --> 04:30:55,800
Oh, there's an American right hand side. That's great. I don't think I want to, I want to be in a city like that.

3255
04:30:56,060 --> 04:31:00,360
I'd rather see something that's more classy. Maybe it's hidden beside something.

3256
04:31:00,760 --> 04:31:06,920
You know, but we want to see the city wants to be family oriented and this just kind of makes it community.

3257
04:31:07,280 --> 04:31:10,620
You know, it takes that away. It takes that away.

3258
04:31:11,220 --> 04:31:12,300
Thank you.

3259
04:31:14,320 --> 04:31:15,780
Anyone else wishing to speak?

3260
04:31:17,920 --> 04:31:21,780
If not, we'll close the public comment portion of our meeting and bring it back to the council.

3261
04:31:23,140 --> 04:31:29,320
I would like to make some comments, unless anybody also wants to make some. First, Mark.

3262
04:31:32,000 --> 04:31:38,520
Do you actually own this property or is it just on contract to buy a pending outcome of the meeting?

3263
04:31:38,540 --> 04:31:42,580
We're currently under contract and we're scheduled to close soon on it.

3264
04:31:42,640 --> 04:31:45,200
Regardless we're moving forward with the purchase.

3265
04:31:45,820 --> 04:31:46,500
Thank you.

3266
04:31:48,600 --> 04:31:49,440
Any other comments?

3267
04:31:49,440 --> 04:31:52,340
So, yes, go ahead, Leslie.

3268
04:31:52,960 --> 04:31:53,580
Some of the needs.

3269
04:31:53,980 --> 04:31:57,160
I really appreciate them coming out tonight.

3270
04:31:57,160 --> 04:32:01,100
I know it's such a big sacrifice to be here.

3271
04:32:01,480 --> 04:32:03,580
And I just really appreciate their feedback.

3272
04:32:03,780 --> 04:32:06,380
We work so closely with up to this point.

3273
04:32:06,780 --> 04:32:11,500
We are going to ensure that we retain all of the landscaping,

3274
04:32:11,760 --> 04:32:16,420
the existing mature landscaping to the south of the parcel,

3275
04:32:16,420 --> 04:32:20,180
which will provide some additional screening from our site.

3276
04:32:20,720 --> 04:32:30,980
We've also worked very closely in where we're placing our existing buildings to kind of push them as far from the existing residential homes as possible.

3277
04:32:31,640 --> 04:32:42,760
And the only other thing that I have to add is as far as the canopy and lighting from the canopy projecting out onto other areas.

3278
04:32:42,760 --> 04:32:47,600
So it's actually downward directing lighting and so all of that will be retained within the site.

3279
04:32:47,620 --> 04:32:48,680
That's all I have to say.

3280
04:32:49,220 --> 04:32:50,180
Thank you.

3281
04:32:50,420 --> 04:32:55,060
So I appreciate the discussion that we've had and the different topics.

3282
04:32:56,300 --> 04:32:57,740
So it is a beautiful site.

3283
04:32:57,800 --> 04:33:03,460
Obviously, you feel the same way since it's not an inexpensive site to purchase.

3284
04:33:04,140 --> 04:33:05,480
It has great value.

3285
04:33:06,020 --> 04:33:08,720
I love the fact that you're going to keep the office building.

3286
04:33:08,720 --> 04:33:17,600
I love the fact that you're going to do a pocket park that you could do a water feature there and maybe an identification feature.

3287
04:33:18,480 --> 04:33:23,420
I think the idea of putting a hotel there is very makes a lot of sense.

3288
04:33:23,940 --> 04:33:36,840
What we're trying to do as a city is to bring our buildings closer to the road and then to have landscaping along the road and then to have a sidewalk next to the building.

3289
04:33:36,840 --> 04:33:43,620
And we've been changing state street that way and we'd like to do that here as well.

3290
04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:50,160
So to me it would make sense to put a nice hotel there.

3291
04:33:50,540 --> 04:33:55,540
Like I said, I've mentioned to you before, there's a nice marriot downtown Salt Lake on

3292
04:33:55,540 --> 04:34:03,480
state street that is, you know, you have some pretty black glass, you have some beautiful

3293
04:34:03,480 --> 04:34:09,580
metal. I mean, it looks really beautiful and classy. I think you could do a beautiful building

3294
04:34:09,580 --> 04:34:15,100
like that. Whether you put a convenience store in the bottom of it or not, that would be up to you.

3295
04:34:15,520 --> 04:34:21,520
I'm against putting in a gas station. I'm against putting in a maverick. I love the maverick brand.

3296
04:34:22,140 --> 04:34:28,400
But I'm against putting it here. So I would like to really see either an office building or a really

3297
04:34:28,400 --> 04:34:39,200
high-class well-built with great elevations hotel, not a medium type hotel with

3298
04:34:39,200 --> 04:34:44,360
Spanish architecture but something that is high-class and looks really nice. The

3299
04:34:44,360 --> 04:34:49,720
other thing that I think to remember is so if you do that there and you do the

3300
04:34:49,720 --> 04:34:54,860
office space, then you have the space where you've got the hotel listed to the

3301
04:34:54,860 --> 04:34:59,960
that's empty. And then the fourth story hotel there. So if you're flipping that with...

3302
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:29,980
We don't do the C-store. The question is, what do you do with that property? So a couple of suggestions we talked about at work session, you could put two really nice restaurants there. That would be one option. Another option is, often times, as you see, by the Maverick Estation 8th North, Marriott has put two hotels next to each other. That is, often done throughout many cities in the U.S., Marriott will put two hotels in the city.

3303
04:35:30,000 --> 04:35:35,160
the same location. I could see you putting a nice hotel on

3304
04:35:35,160 --> 04:35:39,300
University Parkway and even another different hotel, maybe

3305
04:35:39,300 --> 04:35:44,180
the same brand, back where you have the hotel down here. That

3306
04:35:44,180 --> 04:35:48,360
could make sense because UVU has a lot of people visiting, a lot

3307
04:35:48,360 --> 04:35:53,520
of people coming and going. As you read in our study, we are

3308
04:35:53,520 --> 04:35:59,520
short on hotel rooms in the city as far as income revenue goes,

3309
04:35:59,520 --> 04:36:06,340
short on gas, but also on hotel rooms. I could see you putting two hotels here and doing very

3310
04:36:06,340 --> 04:36:13,100
well with both of them. The other, so two restaurants, two hotels, the other thing, and I

3311
04:36:13,100 --> 04:36:18,780
in Sam mentioned it to me, but I mentioned it, but it caught my thought pattern is he talked

3312
04:36:18,780 --> 04:36:25,640
about a destination. Could you make this a destination? So what I mean by that is if you took

3313
04:36:25,640 --> 04:36:32,020
of this property, could you do something that would make it a destination? By that, I mean, in

3314
04:36:32,020 --> 04:36:38,520
Phoenix, they have a children's interactive museum that is three stories tall. It's about

3315
04:36:38,520 --> 04:36:45,040
a block and a half long, and it has, I mean, it's not something that you go see. It's something

3316
04:36:45,040 --> 04:36:54,160
you interact. So they have things where kids are on bridges, on special areas. I mean, certain

3317
04:36:54,160 --> 04:37:00,240
interactive players. Anyway, we have a lot of children in our city. We're a family city

3318
04:37:00,240 --> 04:37:05,800
USA, and I could give you the name and show you the reference. But if you were to put

3319
04:37:05,800 --> 04:37:12,600
a destination in there together with some of these other facilities, I think you could maximize

3320
04:37:13,260 --> 04:37:16,960
your return on investment for your square footage.

3321
04:37:18,140 --> 04:37:19,640
Yeah, I ask a question.

3322
04:37:20,240 --> 04:37:21,320
I appreciate your feedback.

3323
04:37:21,900 --> 04:37:22,740
I really do.

3324
04:37:23,120 --> 04:37:26,780
If proposed to QSRs or a restaurant,

3325
04:37:27,520 --> 04:37:31,240
we would most place them where the convenience store is.

3326
04:37:32,380 --> 04:37:37,120
It's very critical for QSR, a quick serve restaurant,

3327
04:37:37,280 --> 04:37:38,940
or a restaurant to be visible.

3328
04:37:39,300 --> 04:37:39,640
Sure.

3329
04:37:39,780 --> 04:37:42,200
The major corridors and so that would be something.

3330
04:37:42,200 --> 04:37:46,760
But it could also be part of the hotel building on the main floor.

3331
04:37:46,760 --> 04:37:54,360
Just like when you look at our midtown 360, we have some very nice restaurants on the main floor

3332
04:37:54,360 --> 04:37:57,680
and we have apartments that are going up above it.

3333
04:37:58,200 --> 04:38:05,900
So on a mixed use facility, it would work very well, not so much a quick serve, but maybe a quick serve.

3334
04:38:06,080 --> 04:38:12,460
I don't know, but if you had a really nice hotel, you could put some restaurants along the base of that hotel.

3335
04:38:12,620 --> 04:38:14,780
And I think that would work really well.

3336
04:38:16,500 --> 04:38:21,640
If it's approved, can we tell them what hotels to put there, you can't do it, can you?

3337
04:38:21,860 --> 04:38:31,080
No, we can't, but we wouldn't, we have the right to approve or not approve what size hotel

3338
04:38:31,080 --> 04:38:38,480
and we would request a type of hotel, but we wouldn't have control over it unless Jason, you know, different than I.

3339
04:38:38,480 --> 04:38:45,440
good day but a hotel six or more tells they could and that's there are some type of development agreement

3340
04:38:45,440 --> 04:38:49,960
they wouldn't limit them to a certain type of hotel but we could do that development agreement

3341
04:38:49,960 --> 04:38:56,840
yeah yeah that's why recently met with motel six not for this look um it there there

3342
04:38:56,840 --> 04:39:02,680
sweet spot they can pay at ten to fourteen dollars a square foot this wouldn't make that

3343
04:39:02,680 --> 04:39:08,400
higher and so it's absolutely impossible to get a motel six at this location.

3344
04:39:09,180 --> 04:39:14,120
Okay, but you could have a nice, I mean, you were talking about the Hilton brand and the

3345
04:39:14,120 --> 04:39:14,640
Marriott brand.

3346
04:39:14,740 --> 04:39:21,440
Or very upran, yes, and it's, and the Marriott brand has about a hundred different variations

3347
04:39:21,440 --> 04:39:24,620
of hotels in their family of hotels.

3348
04:39:25,240 --> 04:39:30,420
So you can have a really nice one and like I said, oftentimes you have two marriots in the same

3349
04:39:30,420 --> 04:39:33,160
location throughout many cities of the US.

3350
04:39:33,780 --> 04:39:36,780
But I think you could put in some nice restaurants, nice hotels.

3351
04:39:37,380 --> 04:39:41,960
You could put in a destination that would draw people in, and you could put in a beautiful

3352
04:39:41,960 --> 04:39:46,300
park, and I think you could make this pencil out without the sea store.

3353
04:39:46,980 --> 04:39:50,120
Sea store certainly business-wise makes sense to you.

3354
04:39:50,560 --> 04:39:55,920
It doesn't make sense to us as a city, so I'm trying to look at it, is there a compromise

3355
04:39:55,920 --> 04:39:59,340
and some creativity where we could look at some ideas.

3356
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:07,060
To do something that makes sense from a financial return standpoint. So that's what I'm trying to bring forward.

3357
04:40:08,520 --> 04:40:15,340
Anyway, you were saying you'd like to hear some creative thoughts, those are some creative thoughts. So you bet.

3358
04:40:16,600 --> 04:40:21,380
If there's no other comments from the council, I'm ready to make a motion. I'm sorry, Mark.

3359
04:40:22,940 --> 04:40:28,240
Thank you. First of all, Leslie, can I say you're one of the nicest developers we worked with?

3360
04:40:28,460 --> 04:40:31,200
You are very gracious and very probably one of the briefs.

3361
04:40:32,380 --> 04:40:35,900
I appreciate that. Appreciate that.

3362
04:40:36,260 --> 04:40:42,180
As I've thought about this, I guess I'm looking at it more as a long term perspective.

3363
04:40:43,360 --> 04:40:49,440
Over the years, this whole strip has been very vital to the city in the overall development

3364
04:40:49,440 --> 04:40:56,440
from the standpoint of it going from orchards to developing significant retail base, a significant

3365
04:40:57,180 --> 04:41:06,980
positive entrance that the EVX beautification that's gone on, it's really a beautiful part

3366
04:41:06,980 --> 04:41:12,640
of town, and I think it was just interesting and not too long ago, and we heard that the

3367
04:41:12,640 --> 04:41:16,540
Central Utah Water Conservancy District, which has been a great partner to the city,

3368
04:41:16,540 --> 04:41:21,520
was moving to another location. It really offered an interesting perspective of

3369
04:41:21,520 --> 04:41:25,900
to say, okay, here's this right at the edge of the hill, point of the mountain

3370
04:41:25,900 --> 04:41:31,840
visible from everywhere, potentially, the crowning jewel on the rest of this

3371
04:41:31,840 --> 04:41:38,240
development up and down University Parkway. And I, I, I agree with the mayor

3372
04:41:38,240 --> 04:41:41,700
that I don't think the sea store is, is what needs to be the most

3373
04:41:41,700 --> 04:41:45,500
visible thing from wherever you're coming from.

3374
04:41:47,080 --> 04:41:52,540
I would hope that there's the possibility to look at something that really would be a beautiful

3375
04:41:52,540 --> 04:41:57,080
out of a subutiful facility that is a bit of a landmark in Oram.

3376
04:41:57,800 --> 04:42:00,280
I like the idea of the office complex.

3377
04:42:00,720 --> 04:42:04,800
I've seen some beautiful office buildings built along the freeway.

3378
04:42:04,980 --> 04:42:09,900
We had a giant, for example, wanted to make a statement with the building right off the

3379
04:42:09,900 --> 04:42:10,460
freeway.

3380
04:42:10,460 --> 04:42:21,540
This to me seems like it would be really potentially a really beautiful spot for not only the views of the employees that work there, but also for the view coming into the city.

3381
04:42:22,500 --> 04:42:27,400
So I'm okay with the hotel, I'm not excited about restaurants either.

3382
04:42:28,700 --> 04:42:39,620
I think I would rather see this be a very nice professional office development that takes advantage of its location of its accessibility proximity to the university.

3383
04:42:40,460 --> 04:42:42,460
It's just my thought. Thank you.

3384
04:42:42,500 --> 04:42:44,480
But I asked Marker question on that.

3385
04:42:45,440 --> 04:42:48,500
If it was a stacked building where you had, you know,

3386
04:42:48,720 --> 04:42:51,400
a nice restaurant on the main floor with office above it,

3387
04:42:51,440 --> 04:42:52,520
would you be comfortable with that?

3388
04:42:52,820 --> 04:42:53,380
Good, maybe.

3389
04:42:54,220 --> 04:42:57,840
I mean, it's interesting because a key part of this area

3390
04:42:57,840 --> 04:43:00,340
has a key driver has been the retail sales.

3391
04:43:00,440 --> 04:43:02,540
So there's the part of me that says,

3392
04:43:02,540 --> 04:43:06,680
you know, for a city, from an ultimate standpoint of

3393
04:43:06,680 --> 04:43:07,700
revenue generating,

3394
04:43:07,700 --> 04:43:16,860
The C-Store is a positive in that it generates a paramount of retail sales tax if I'm not mistaken, right?

3395
04:43:17,160 --> 04:43:28,900
So it's a matter of there's that aspect, but I also think there's the aspect of the character, the community and the location and the proximity and the visibility that leads me to

3396
04:43:29,340 --> 04:43:32,120
I'm not at all in favor of any kind of housing.

3397
04:43:32,120 --> 04:43:52,220
I'm okay with hotel because I think hotels can be very, you know, positive impression but I really kind of liked what was laid out by our planning group that the, they envision are very nice quality business development here that becomes a bit of an anchor with, with the worm.

3398
04:43:52,220 --> 04:44:03,040
So, and if a restaurant on the bottom floor, it's part of that, I'd be open to that, but not just to stand alone, you know, restaurant.

3399
04:44:05,280 --> 04:44:07,280
Okay, I would like to make a motion.

3400
04:44:07,920 --> 04:44:10,460
I would like to move that we continue.

3401
04:44:11,220 --> 04:44:16,280
The request for the reason of the property, located at 355 West University Parkway,

3402
04:44:16,280 --> 04:44:24,980
way to October the 29th at 6 p.m. That's our council meeting, two council meetings from now,

3403
04:44:25,260 --> 04:44:31,380
giving about a month's worth of time, and would ask for a second.

3404
04:44:31,720 --> 04:44:33,520
Point of question, Mayor. Yes.

3405
04:44:33,580 --> 04:44:37,340
It's there a reason to put it on that day. I mean, it's possible you might.

3406
04:44:37,380 --> 04:44:42,180
Well, we could put it sooner, but I'm thinking that if we're going to have discussions on how to do this,

3407
04:44:42,940 --> 04:44:44,180
Leslie could tell us.

3408
04:44:44,920 --> 04:44:47,160
I'll talk about 29th of a little work, I'll just fine.

3409
04:44:47,380 --> 04:44:47,660
Okay.

3410
04:44:47,880 --> 04:44:48,120
Great.

3411
04:44:49,220 --> 04:44:50,540
And I'm going to make two motions.

3412
04:44:50,620 --> 04:44:51,540
This is the first.

3413
04:44:52,320 --> 04:44:53,980
So is there a second to this motion?

3414
04:44:54,800 --> 04:44:55,000
Second.

3415
04:44:55,440 --> 04:44:55,800
Okay.

3416
04:44:56,480 --> 04:44:58,020
We'll start with Councilmember Seastron.

3417
04:44:58,360 --> 04:44:58,540
Bye.

3418
04:44:59,000 --> 04:44:59,300
Bye.

3419
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:04,020
Aye, aye, aye. Okay, that request is continued.

3420
04:45:04,080 --> 04:45:20,020
I'm sorry. Aye. Thank you. Aye. Aye. Aye. So, that is continued to October 29 at 6pm. I would now like to move that the, that we deny

3421
04:45:20,020 --> 04:45:27,200
meeting the PD-5 zone to include standard land use code 5530 gasoline

3422
04:45:27,200 --> 04:45:32,240
service station with or without store as a permitted use. Is there a

3423
04:45:32,240 --> 04:45:40,040
second? Okay. Councilmember Lens. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Tom?

3424
04:45:42,770 --> 04:45:44,570
Okay. Thank you. All right.

3425
04:45:44,850 --> 04:45:51,770
So that passes and we will continue as I said earlier. The reason request to

3426
04:45:51,770 --> 04:45:57,850
October the 29th of 6 p.m. So thank you Leslie and appreciate having you here.

3427
04:45:57,910 --> 04:45:58,810
Be appreciate your time.

3428
04:45:59,130 --> 04:46:00,150
Okay. Thank you, Jason.

3429
04:46:00,390 --> 04:46:02,350
Mayor, could I just ask a clarifying question?

3430
04:46:03,190 --> 04:46:06,310
I know that we've already voted on continuing it.

3431
04:46:07,290 --> 04:46:10,330
But I'm just curious what the general sense from the council is,

3432
04:46:10,530 --> 04:46:13,370
if we do come with a dramatically different proposal,

3433
04:46:13,930 --> 04:46:16,530
are we comfortable sending it back to the Planning Commission for review?

3434
04:46:20,190 --> 04:46:33,410
Yes, so my request, let me put it this way and I don't know if I can amend my motion, but my request would be that you do go back to the planning commission and would there be enough time Jason for that to occur?

3435
04:46:35,180 --> 04:46:38,520
Without having a concept plan, I'm not sure.

3436
04:46:38,520 --> 04:46:42,460
Okay, it's possible, but so let me ask Leslie are you

3437
04:46:45,300 --> 04:46:49,880
And maybe that's two of you can and be October

3438
04:46:51,840 --> 04:46:54,080
Second and 16th

3439
04:46:54,080 --> 04:46:59,040
Yeah, so we'd have to yeah, so if you went on the 16th and came to us on the 29th

3440
04:47:00,840 --> 04:47:03,040
Does that it's possible is

3441
04:47:07,400 --> 04:47:12,060
All right, well, we'll leave it at that. Let's just continue it. We're just to

3442
04:47:12,160 --> 04:47:16,320
just to call it a hation that it's not a requirement for them to.

3443
04:47:16,480 --> 04:47:23,020
So, let's just plan on the 29th and however things evolve, we'll see how that works.

3444
04:47:24,220 --> 04:47:26,580
Okay, thank you. Appreciate it.

3445
04:47:26,840 --> 04:47:31,500
All right, we'd like to move on now to a public hearing item 10.4.

3446
04:47:31,980 --> 04:47:36,540
This is an ordinance where the applicant requests the city of men, the orange city,

3447
04:47:36,540 --> 04:47:45,460
General plan on approximately 16.72 acres of property located generally a 1577 South Geneva

3448
04:47:45,460 --> 04:47:51,940
road from the LDR low density residential designation to the MDR medium density residential

3449
04:47:51,940 --> 04:47:55,820
designation and Jason Bench's our presenter.

3450
04:47:55,960 --> 04:47:56,740
Thank you, Mayor.

3451
04:47:57,300 --> 04:48:03,000
I just want to quickly give you a brief overview of this area and all your most of you are

3452
04:48:03,000 --> 04:48:10,500
with this area. But just the southwest area was annexed in August of 2015. There was a very

3453
04:48:10,500 --> 04:48:14,100
long night. Those that were on the council at that point. I think we got done it two o'clock in the

3454
04:48:14,100 --> 04:48:19,820
morning. But the annexation or annex area was 227 acres, although the total service area which

3455
04:48:19,820 --> 04:48:25,520
will have some maps is a lot larger than that, 289. So the impact fee area is the density, the

3456
04:48:25,520 --> 04:48:31,520
1250 year use that we referred to tonight is based on the entire impact fee area, not just the

3457
04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:37,980
in 27 acres that was annexed at the time. So as we look at the capacity and the ability for the units,

3458
04:48:38,180 --> 04:48:42,140
we're talking the entire area, not including any other areas that were not part of that area,

3459
04:48:42,980 --> 04:48:47,640
like the Klinger property and others that were not annexed that are currently in

3460
04:48:47,640 --> 04:48:53,840
not in the Manoshoye on the map as well. At the time, the Council approved a general plan map that

3461
04:48:53,840 --> 04:49:00,580
had low density residential between Geneva Road and the Roro Tracks going east and light industrial

3462
04:49:00,580 --> 04:49:07,460
going west along Geneva Road. The impact fee areas were approved, including the

3463
04:49:07,460 --> 04:49:13,020
1250 ERUs or units that were allowed in that area. And at the time, the

3464
04:49:13,020 --> 04:49:18,180
property was rezoned. We showed you a quick map. This is the current zoning map.

3465
04:49:18,320 --> 04:49:21,540
So the majority of the property was in a holding zone or rezoned in all

3466
04:49:21,540 --> 04:49:26,160
things on to OS5, which is a five-acre minimum zone. With the idea that the

3467
04:49:26,160 --> 04:49:29,640
applicant would come back when they're ready to develop and propose a

3468
04:49:29,640 --> 04:49:36,420
So you can see some areas of the R8, the two M1 zones, and the PD43 that was owned that night.

3469
04:49:36,960 --> 04:49:40,400
So this represents the annexed area of 227 acres.

3470
04:49:40,960 --> 04:49:47,620
Like I mentioned, the LDR areas were on majority on the east side of Geneva Road,

3471
04:49:47,820 --> 04:49:50,480
and then the LIR light industrial on the west.

3472
04:49:51,880 --> 04:49:54,360
And the service area that you can see in the cross-touched areas,

3473
04:49:54,360 --> 04:49:59,720
that's including the tourney and acres which was the entire area for the impact fee areas.

3474
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:12,580
The conservation easements on the west and the agriculture easement were not included in the service area or the potential annexed areas. The property owners did not want it to be included at that point.

3475
04:50:13,900 --> 04:50:17,220
Before you tonight is Mr. McDowell, who wants to the property that you accept?

3476
04:50:17,320 --> 04:50:20,420
Jason, could we ask Mr. McDowell to come forward?

3477
04:50:25,620 --> 04:50:28,020
If you want to sit there with Jason, that'd be great.

3478
04:50:29,320 --> 04:50:32,680
The Ryan is here requesting that he has two applications.

3479
04:50:33,080 --> 04:50:35,180
One is not before each an eye for the PD zone.

3480
04:50:35,880 --> 04:50:38,800
He had an application in prior to our changing the requirements

3481
04:50:38,800 --> 04:50:41,800
to not allow applications on currently residential properties.

3482
04:50:42,440 --> 04:50:43,540
So that is in the process.

3483
04:50:44,040 --> 04:50:46,960
And then a general plan amendment, which he's here before you tonight,

3484
04:50:47,360 --> 04:50:51,020
at our request he's agreed to come before you with just the general plan amendment

3485
04:50:51,020 --> 04:50:55,040
to see if the council wants to move forward with a different designation

3486
04:50:55,040 --> 04:51:00,700
other than the load density that was approved back in 2015. So he agreed and then is willing to come

3487
04:51:00,700 --> 04:51:06,320
before you tonight. And so we're presenting that as an option. So before you tonight is his property,

3488
04:51:06,540 --> 04:51:12,720
which is the 16 plus acres that he's requesting the PDZell in the proposed PDZell that he has,

3489
04:51:12,840 --> 04:51:19,040
so just give you a quick concept plan. There's 11.6 units per acre. He does have some attached,

3490
04:51:20,220 --> 04:51:24,580
You know, it's fine, get in this area here, and then you've got some single family attached,

3491
04:51:24,580 --> 04:51:29,380
or detached units there, which I'll show you a couple examples of those as well.

3492
04:51:29,980 --> 04:51:35,080
So this is, our is proposed to attach units that we build on the east side of the property,

3493
04:51:35,980 --> 04:51:40,180
and then this represents the single family detached units that he wants to build,

3494
04:51:40,760 --> 04:51:42,120
closer to the Geneva Road area.

3495
04:51:43,060 --> 04:51:50,500
a quick question. Yes. What are the square footage of the units? How many bedrooms and the

3496
04:51:50,500 --> 04:51:58,000
approximate starting cost? So we have been working with different home builders on different

3497
04:51:58,000 --> 04:51:59,560
products in this range.

3498
04:52:02,000 --> 04:52:06,240
And what we have seen is most of these single family units are probably

3499
04:52:06,240 --> 04:52:11,180
going to be around the 2200 square foot range and they're going to have a two-car garage. But

3500
04:52:11,180 --> 04:52:16,020
that's going to be dependent on each building can be a little bit different.

3501
04:52:16,180 --> 04:52:19,540
So you could have one, three better and one, four better and depending on how you use the space.

3502
04:52:19,680 --> 04:52:21,160
Some of them can be a little bit bigger.

3503
04:52:21,840 --> 04:52:23,040
Some of them can be a little bit smaller.

3504
04:52:23,160 --> 04:52:27,040
But we actually plan on doing all two car garages.

3505
04:52:28,920 --> 04:52:35,100
And then the price point that we've been targeting is about $300,000 starting on the single family.

3506
04:52:36,670 --> 04:52:56,110
So two issues before tonight. One is the Council want to stay status quo, keep the land use designation that was approved in 2015, which was the low density residential 4.3 ERUs per acre, which is what the equivalent is, or you want to consider doing something different.

3507
04:52:56,110 --> 04:53:02,690
If that's the case, there are a couple things a staff we need to, I think, at least let

3508
04:53:02,690 --> 04:53:03,990
you know that should be considered.

3509
04:53:04,170 --> 04:53:09,330
One is the IFFP, which is the impact fee facility's plan and the impact fee analysis should

3510
04:53:09,330 --> 04:53:13,530
be amended prior to any change in a zone.

3511
04:53:14,090 --> 04:53:18,650
Right now it's a zone for the impact fees based on the load density residential, so the

3512
04:53:18,650 --> 04:53:22,190
impact fees are based on that, although Ryan agreed in the planning commission that he'd be

3513
04:53:22,190 --> 04:53:25,750
willing to pay that impact fee, it may not be fair to future developers if they want

3514
04:53:25,750 --> 04:53:30,470
come in and pay a higher impact fee if it can be lowered, if you decide to go a different

3515
04:53:30,470 --> 04:53:30,870
rate.

3516
04:53:31,190 --> 04:53:35,450
So that should be looked at and that's probably four to six, maybe eight months, process

3517
04:53:35,450 --> 04:53:37,150
to get that looked at.

3518
04:53:37,590 --> 04:53:41,950
The other thing is the spring water lift stations, which this, although the line in Geneva

3519
04:53:41,950 --> 04:53:46,470
road does gravity feed to the north, it does fall into two lift stations in the spring

3520
04:53:46,470 --> 04:53:49,690
water area that they have been lifts it to the sewer treatment plant.

3521
04:53:50,150 --> 04:53:54,650
Those two lift stations are currently in design based on this density and other densities

3522
04:53:54,650 --> 04:53:59,410
in the area to design it a certain capacities so that it can handle future capacity.

3523
04:53:59,870 --> 04:54:06,470
If this area is upgraded, meaning that the PRDs or other densities are permitted in this area,

3524
04:54:07,050 --> 04:54:11,230
then we need to look at that to see if those lift stations should not be upgraded now rather

3525
04:54:11,230 --> 04:54:14,930
than having them built and then two years later to decide that we need to upgrade them because

3526
04:54:14,930 --> 04:54:16,210
we are over capacity.

3527
04:54:16,730 --> 04:54:18,650
So those are the two key things that we need to look at.

3528
04:54:19,270 --> 04:54:26,290
So Jason, I would add a third to that, and that is the traffic situation, how much additional

3529
04:54:26,290 --> 04:54:32,870
traffic this will put on to Geneva Road and how many entrances and exits there are.

3530
04:54:33,190 --> 04:54:36,710
Maybe you could just go over a little bit about where the entrance to next it is.

3531
04:54:37,390 --> 04:54:42,230
So because, yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with the Lakeview Parkway, but let me see if

3532
04:54:42,230 --> 04:54:42,850
I can,

3533
04:54:44,960 --> 04:54:48,580
so Ryan was kind enough to provide this map, which I just lost.

3534
04:55:00,110 --> 04:55:17,910
So if you can see right, well, it's not, sorry. So the property in question, which I can't point in this pointer, but the cul-de-sac that comes off, Geneva Road, the Lakeview Parkways, the one that you can see labeled there, that actually will. So the his access will actually come off, you know, or Geneva Road, onto that little cul-de-sac.

3535
04:55:20,380 --> 04:55:31,720
So the point being, so this is the end of the cul-de-sac that we just saw in that. So he has one access here, although he does show future access points going north and south, there is no plan right now to connect those.

3536
04:55:32,420 --> 04:55:36,800
even those would be dependent upon the property owners to the north and to the south.

3537
04:55:37,200 --> 04:55:40,140
Right, so they would have to develop to have that go through.

3538
04:55:40,720 --> 04:55:42,800
And if they didn't develop or took a long time,

3539
04:55:43,880 --> 04:55:45,780
that would then leave us with the one entrance.

3540
04:55:46,160 --> 04:55:47,840
Right, so those things can be worked out.

3541
04:55:47,940 --> 04:55:50,520
If the council decides that, yeah, that's a new direction we want to go.

3542
04:55:50,720 --> 04:55:53,380
Then we can look at access and we can do those types of things.

3543
04:55:53,580 --> 04:56:01,720
The point of the meeting tonight I think is to find out the direction that the council wants to go to.

3544
04:56:01,720 --> 04:56:06,100
or do we want to then deviate and move forward? If we want to move forward in a different direction,

3545
04:56:06,260 --> 04:56:08,520
then I think these three things that we just discussed.

3546
04:56:09,000 --> 04:56:11,480
So NMDR is eight, is that correct?

3547
04:56:11,480 --> 04:56:16,740
Penal plan is eight units to the acre, and right now we're at 4.3.

3548
04:56:16,980 --> 04:56:19,880
4.3 is what the facilities plan into the older yard.

3549
04:56:20,060 --> 04:56:20,920
And that area, right?

3550
04:56:21,920 --> 04:56:23,060
Can someone really have a question?

3551
04:56:23,600 --> 04:56:29,360
Yeah, so PRD is considered medium density or still.

3552
04:56:29,360 --> 04:56:31,400
So it is under the designation of low density.

3553
04:56:31,720 --> 04:56:34,460
So we can, without the city, and you guys are familiar with

3554
04:56:34,460 --> 04:56:36,820
priorities coming before you, and they typically are

3555
04:56:36,820 --> 04:56:40,640
right now designing it about six, five to six units per acre.

3556
04:56:40,940 --> 04:56:42,700
Or if the one thing I was saying, like the Baxter Gardens,

3557
04:56:42,860 --> 04:56:46,220
we just did, that seemed to fit nicely with the single

3558
04:56:46,220 --> 04:56:46,640
family.

3559
04:56:47,100 --> 04:56:49,080
Yeah, well, it was below four, I mean, a five.

3560
04:56:49,140 --> 04:56:51,440
It was four points, something the one that we're looking

3561
04:56:51,440 --> 04:56:56,920
at tomorrow on the center street in a 1000 east is 4.5.

3562
04:56:56,920 --> 04:57:00,560
And so they based on the number of units in the street,

3563
04:57:00,700 --> 04:57:02,700
configurations of things, not very few of them

3564
04:57:02,700 --> 04:57:06,060
get up to seven years per acre, if we did allow a PRD,

3565
04:57:06,260 --> 04:57:07,980
would we have to go back and redo all of our plans

3566
04:57:07,980 --> 04:57:10,120
or would we just incrementally just do a little bit

3567
04:57:10,780 --> 04:57:13,980
because it's three more per acre, four to seven.

3568
04:57:14,320 --> 04:57:16,200
I think based on the fact that we've approved them

3569
04:57:16,200 --> 04:57:19,480
at a 4.3 density, if we choose now to increase that

3570
04:57:19,480 --> 04:57:22,100
by doing PRDs in that area, we really need to look at it

3571
04:57:22,100 --> 04:57:24,700
because that option would be available to anybody

3572
04:57:24,700 --> 04:57:25,500
in that area.

3573
04:57:25,500 --> 04:57:29,720
And so I think we need to look at it if we're going to allow this property, for example, about a PRD.

3574
04:57:29,900 --> 04:57:33,520
We really should look at the whole area to see if that makes sense as a city

3575
04:57:33,520 --> 04:57:37,180
and then update these plans, so our fees may be adjusted one way or the other.

3576
04:57:37,340 --> 04:57:41,840
The list stations need to be adjusted one way or the other, so that we can, before we go down that road,

3577
04:57:41,840 --> 04:57:43,500
I think we need to look at that.

3578
04:57:44,120 --> 04:57:44,840
Come on, Summer's sister.

3579
04:57:46,960 --> 04:57:49,400
Yeah, typically when there's a request to change his own.

3580
04:57:49,900 --> 04:57:54,340
There's usually a statement as to why the current zone is not functional or viable.

3581
04:57:54,340 --> 04:57:58,860
is there a reason why the current R8 zone or master plan is not viable?

3582
04:57:59,740 --> 04:58:04,420
Thank you for that question. Yes. So if you could go to the table.

3583
04:58:12,560 --> 04:58:12,960
Okay.

3584
04:58:16,040 --> 04:58:21,560
So thank you for that question. That's actually one of the points that I would bring up is

3585
04:58:22,780 --> 04:58:26,120
when you look at our property. If you look on this slide, you can see

3586
04:58:26,120 --> 04:58:26,900
Does this?

3587
04:58:28,280 --> 04:58:31,720
So we are right here, Elm Press Farm, right here.

3588
04:58:32,640 --> 04:58:39,120
So we are currently sandwiched in between industrial and on my map.

3589
04:58:39,260 --> 04:58:42,240
This was a city map that I thought maybe you can help me with this.

3590
04:58:43,120 --> 04:58:46,100
But these are the two tracks here and your current map.

3591
04:58:46,140 --> 04:58:48,460
I think it showed a low density residential right here.

3592
04:58:48,680 --> 04:58:49,940
Is that correct?

3593
04:58:50,300 --> 04:58:50,960
That's current.

3594
04:58:51,200 --> 04:58:53,920
But it's probably going to be more low density or low-end industrial.

3595
04:58:53,980 --> 04:58:54,340
OK.

3596
04:58:54,340 --> 04:59:03,660
So, this is probably more accurate, and so, when we're looking at our, at our, that question

3597
04:59:03,660 --> 04:59:09,040
of, as far as density, there's a few things that we're taking into account, one of

3598
04:59:09,040 --> 04:59:14,060
them is that the density that's currently at single-family homes in that price range are

3599
04:59:14,060 --> 04:59:24,320
going to be prohibitively expensive for most people that are looking to live, to move to

3600
04:59:25,200 --> 04:59:34,500
on the east and the west, and you've also got the front runner tracks, the Southern Pacific Railroad, and I-15, just to the east of us.

3601
04:59:34,980 --> 04:59:40,620
Another factor in that is, you know, anywhere you look in a city where they're doing lower density,

3602
04:59:41,260 --> 04:59:46,640
a single family, and that range, you're looking half a million dollar plus homes.

3603
04:59:46,640 --> 04:59:53,060
And we don't feel that that is appropriate for the way this property sits.

3604
04:59:53,680 --> 04:59:58,520
When we, if you look at this, if you were to fast forward maybe five years and let's just assume,

3605
04:59:59,100 --> 04:59:59,960
in five years that we have...

3606
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:15,590
The lake view parkway. That parkway, as you can kind of see on the map, this is actually an older alignment, so it doesn't show. This actually is going to cut in further here, I think, than what this map shows.

3607
05:00:15,770 --> 05:00:28,450
So if we fast forward five years and let's just assume this is all developed out and if we go back to that, where's that, what's the cross section and that

3608
05:00:30,920 --> 05:00:31,060
one.

3609
05:00:31,060 --> 05:00:50,900
So if you look at the type of stuff that's going to be going around us, if you look at, actually I want to right there, so this is, this is just, just south of us on Geneva, this is all going, I guess, this is, I saw this originally, I think, a week or so ago where this is all going to be warehouse space.

3610
05:00:50,900 --> 05:01:07,500
And so it doesn't, we wouldn't, I guess if I were buying a half million dollar plus home and I knew and I didn't know what was coming down the pipeline as far as there's going to be warehousing right across the street for me.

3611
05:01:07,700 --> 05:01:11,600
There's obviously you'd be able to see the front runner and you'd be able to see the freeway.

3612
05:01:11,980 --> 05:01:18,600
But you're going to have that in five years or so you're going to have that lake view parkway, which is a major, major road that's going to be going through there.

3613
05:01:18,600 --> 05:01:29,220
So there's quite a few factors that I think factor into why we believe that that low of

3614
05:01:29,220 --> 05:01:36,460
density doesn't work and I think honestly probably the biggest is just the cost of homes

3615
05:01:36,460 --> 05:01:38,840
that will be that will have to build in that area.

3616
05:01:39,000 --> 05:01:43,180
I mean there'll be very expensive homes and typically you're not going to want to put those

3617
05:01:43,180 --> 05:01:47,980
very expensive homes right in the same area that you're doing industrial right up against the

3618
05:01:47,980 --> 05:01:54,140
road tracks and right in front of where there's a major thoroughfidder coming through.

3619
05:01:57,010 --> 05:01:59,550
Show that map again with the property to the north.

3620
05:02:00,530 --> 05:02:05,590
Tie to the mayor's, mayor's point that you're accounting on some traffic flow exit to the

3621
05:02:05,590 --> 05:02:06,250
north.

3622
05:02:06,470 --> 05:02:06,750
I'm sorry.

3623
05:02:07,530 --> 05:02:13,910
It looked like in your map that you had some access out to the Geneva Road, but you're

3624
05:02:13,910 --> 05:02:18,670
also planning on some traffic flow heading north and south out of here.

3625
05:02:18,670 --> 05:02:19,130
Yes.

3626
05:02:20,370 --> 05:02:24,390
So is that not go right into a conservation or an agricultural

3627
05:02:24,390 --> 05:02:27,050
management property that has no intention of ever developing?

3628
05:02:27,830 --> 05:02:33,830
Well, when we originally came before the city, we actually proposed that this

3629
05:02:33,830 --> 05:02:39,410
would be private and not connect, but the city or the staff requests that we add those

3630
05:02:39,410 --> 05:02:46,130
subroads and I believe they felt like, you know, in the eventuality that it does

3631
05:02:46,130 --> 05:02:52,370
develop that they'd want those there. And so it's not necessarily a critical part of our design,

3632
05:02:53,590 --> 05:02:57,850
and we, you know, it's not something that we requested or we wanted necessarily.

3633
05:02:58,070 --> 05:03:01,670
Well what you're saying is all the traffic would go out the one exit on the west.

3634
05:03:03,390 --> 05:03:06,330
So is there a good option for exits on the north of the south?

3635
05:03:06,590 --> 05:03:15,010
We didn't design that in as far as, I mean, we designed this or we originally envisioned it as just a private street.

3636
05:03:15,010 --> 05:03:24,640
all going with just the one exit. Thank you. That's it, Mayor. Any other questions or comments from the council?

3637
05:03:25,500 --> 05:03:38,540
Council and relance? Regarding the road access there, is there any way to make that road wider or the intersection wider so that you can have, you know, dedicated turn lanes coming out of there?

3638
05:03:38,540 --> 05:03:45,460
because I, I don't imagine that there would be a ton of traffic congestion in this small

3639
05:03:45,460 --> 05:03:49,580
neighborhood, as long as you have, you know, white enough streets and things like that.

3640
05:03:49,820 --> 05:03:54,080
But if the, if the only traffic concern was really that intersection, which you need a road,

3641
05:03:54,400 --> 05:03:58,680
can we address that by just improving the proposed intersection there?

3642
05:03:59,960 --> 05:04:08,440
I would imagine, and, and again, this is a very preliminary concept, and I would imagine

3643
05:04:08,440 --> 05:04:14,880
there are multiple ways to handle that, and we're open to, you know, whatever is the the

3644
05:04:14,880 --> 05:04:23,000
wisest route to go as far as handling traffic and the way to connect into Geneva. So yes, I believe so.

3645
05:04:23,340 --> 05:04:31,250
And is there enough frontage on Geneva road with your property specifically where you could have

3646
05:04:31,250 --> 05:04:35,270
two roads coming into Geneva Road or with those V2 close together?

3647
05:04:37,390 --> 05:04:38,570
That's a great question.

3648
05:04:39,710 --> 05:04:42,010
We do, I believe, have enough frontage.

3649
05:04:42,530 --> 05:04:52,230
We've met with you, not, and it's been a while, and so I can't remember, but I believe they kind of pushed

3650
05:04:52,230 --> 05:04:57,770
this towards more of the one entrance, and so what you see here as we've got this kind of split entrance,

3651
05:04:57,770 --> 05:04:58,670
which

3652
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:06,960
With the island or the median in the middle, which is kind of the current design. But I believe

3653
05:05:06,960 --> 05:05:13,120
it was more of an issue and maybe can help me out if he remembers, but it was more of an issue

3654
05:05:13,120 --> 05:05:19,660
with getting access from you. We currently have two accesses on the property. There's two driveways

3655
05:05:19,660 --> 05:05:28,840
currently on the property right now. I'm not sure if it's easy to answer this question right up front.

3656
05:05:28,840 --> 05:05:32,380
But if we did, instead of going with the proposed zoning,

3657
05:05:32,620 --> 05:05:38,700
if we went with a PRD, for example, how many units would you lose?

3658
05:05:38,980 --> 05:05:45,040
And would that mean that half of the town homes become single family homes?

3659
05:05:45,560 --> 05:05:48,780
Or can you speak to what that might look like on the page?

3660
05:05:50,680 --> 05:05:54,100
Yeah, that does require a little bit of math in my head.

3661
05:05:54,100 --> 05:06:02,340
But we would basically, if we were to do a PRD here, I'm assuming you're thinking seven

3662
05:06:02,340 --> 05:06:05,260
units, the acre, is that, is that, I think that's the limit, right?

3663
05:06:05,620 --> 05:06:11,560
Yeah, so at that point we would eliminate all of the town homes that would only be, basically,

3664
05:06:12,080 --> 05:06:14,400
we would hit that density with only the single family.

3665
05:06:15,740 --> 05:06:22,300
And with we talked about this, I think a couple of weeks ago, but with, I think the single

3666
05:06:22,300 --> 05:06:27,560
family homes, the plan was to sell those with the town homes, I think a portion were planned

3667
05:06:27,560 --> 05:06:29,980
to retain and rent those cowards or something like that.

3668
05:06:30,320 --> 05:06:37,980
Yeah, I think our plan and, you know, as we flesh through it, as we've, as we've come,

3669
05:06:38,460 --> 05:06:43,460
we originally started with an entire, when we originally presented our, our original concept

3670
05:06:43,460 --> 05:06:46,640
was only town homes, is it four years ago?

3671
05:06:46,880 --> 05:06:50,560
No, this was about a year ago, I believe.

3672
05:06:51,200 --> 05:06:56,640
And so we presented our original concept that we presented to staff was solely town homes.

3673
05:06:58,540 --> 05:07:04,460
And it is evolved to this point where we have the mixture of the town homes and the single family.

3674
05:07:05,300 --> 05:07:15,260
And as we've evolved to this point, we have basically come to that point where we feel like the town homes would be more of a rental property.

3675
05:07:15,260 --> 05:07:24,380
and then the single families would be a foresell project and would be, sorry, it would be like a 50 depending on how the financing worked out,

3676
05:07:24,460 --> 05:07:29,900
it would be about about 50, 50, so that we can secure that type of financing for it.

3677
05:07:30,240 --> 05:07:37,180
And would both the single family homes, the town homes, be on an HOA and the same HOA or separate?

3678
05:07:37,760 --> 05:07:39,860
Yes. Thank you for that question.

3679
05:07:45,700 --> 05:08:06,240
So the way we envision it is, you can kind of see some of the clubhouse, and again, this is very preliminary, but we've got some open space and clubhouse in the middle here, well kind of in the middle, right in this area, and this would all be common to the entire development.

3680
05:08:06,240 --> 05:08:12,920
So, whether you owned or whether you rented, you would have access to this pool, clubhouse, open space area.

3681
05:08:13,800 --> 05:08:19,520
Same really with this open space area over here with the top lot and the field.

3682
05:08:20,560 --> 05:08:25,460
I would imagine that the single family home residents probably wouldn't use this as much,

3683
05:08:25,700 --> 05:08:30,920
but this one we kind of place centrally so that both community or both,

3684
05:08:31,400 --> 05:08:36,920
it would kind of be in the middle for everyone to access that they would everyone to be able to enjoy it.

3685
05:08:37,920 --> 05:08:47,040
And if it went to a PRD where it was all single family homes, would you still envision that same type of shared pool clubhouse space?

3686
05:08:47,300 --> 05:08:47,700
That's part of the nature.

3687
05:08:47,800 --> 05:08:55,680
We would still, I mean if we were to if we were to go to something less dense, we would still provide amenities.

3688
05:08:56,520 --> 05:09:03,180
And I don't have an exact plan of what those would be, but it would still have open space and amenities and things.

3689
05:09:03,580 --> 05:09:12,460
We wouldn't want to build something that didn't provide those types of things.

3690
05:09:12,660 --> 05:09:14,820
It wouldn't want to build the way that you would want to live there.

3691
05:09:15,920 --> 05:09:24,480
We'd want to have places for people to gather and to join and have barbecues and all of them.

3692
05:09:24,480 --> 05:09:25,180
That's all for now.

3693
05:09:25,180 --> 05:09:33,860
Could we have Paul Goodrich come back into the city council chambers? I'd like to hear from him as far as

3694
05:09:33,860 --> 05:09:35,400
Traffic goes

3695
05:09:35,400 --> 05:09:37,660
Coming out on to Geneva Road

3696
05:09:39,390 --> 05:09:41,570
Paul, if you could talk to us about the

3697
05:09:44,280 --> 05:09:45,400
I'm sorry, what Tom?

3698
05:09:51,580 --> 05:09:55,980
You bet you bet Paul could you tell us about the traffic and

3699
05:09:58,340 --> 05:09:59,960
You know how much traffic you believe

3700
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:04,240
Anybody there would be? How much room Geneva road needs?

3701
05:10:05,120 --> 05:10:13,360
Patient, do you have the slide that shows where the new Lakeview Parkway is going to be? Thank you.

3702
05:10:14,180 --> 05:10:15,060
So anyway,

3703
05:10:19,350 --> 05:10:27,870
looking at that slide that's on the screen right now, Geneva Road is the access that's kind of,

3704
05:10:27,870 --> 05:10:35,710
take in the angle. I don't know if you can see that very, okay, well you can see where Lake

3705
05:10:35,710 --> 05:10:44,010
View Parkway is depicted. Well Geneva Road is over to the right and you can kind of see that

3706
05:10:44,010 --> 05:10:49,590
that one section of Geneva Road is right where this project is coming in is about where that

3707
05:10:49,590 --> 05:10:52,170
this act is, at that location.

3708
05:10:54,310 --> 05:10:59,830
Part of the problem is, in my estimation, what's going to

3709
05:10:59,830 --> 05:11:07,990
be generated by this site is going to be a little over 2,200 vehicles a day. It could possibly

3710
05:11:07,990 --> 05:11:16,270
be higher than that because it takes a while to get to services, grocery stores, gas stations,

3711
05:11:16,270 --> 05:11:21,610
schools, all of those other things. It takes a while to get there. It could be higher than that.

3712
05:11:22,530 --> 05:11:32,410
With that access shown at that location, and maybe I can back up and say that on the transportation

3713
05:11:32,410 --> 05:11:40,570
master plant, the region's transportation master plant, the Lakeview Parkway is shown to be in need within the next 10 years.

3714
05:11:40,570 --> 05:11:49,590
Now, I don't think it's, you know, one of our high needs, other than as development happens and as rezoning occurs, we protect a corridor.

3715
05:11:50,330 --> 05:11:54,150
Provost already planning for it and has part of it in place, I believe.

3716
05:11:54,790 --> 05:11:55,490
Yes, they do.

3717
05:11:58,030 --> 05:12:08,650
But I don't think I personally, I don't think it's one of those things that we want to spend our resources in giving federal funding to put a road that's going to benefit

3718
05:12:09,850 --> 05:12:16,650
and spend a 7% match on the millions of dollars of it's going to take to build that roadway.

3719
05:12:18,050 --> 05:12:25,210
And one of the things that I'm thinking may happen as we do a corridor analysis with you dot of the Geneva Road corridor,

3720
05:12:25,550 --> 05:12:29,910
or basically, and it's not just Geneva Road, but it's everything west of I-15.

3721
05:12:31,030 --> 05:12:37,970
right now the 2050 model shows that there is a need because of traffic to have a second

3722
05:12:37,970 --> 05:12:45,030
I-15 somewhere between I-15 and the lake. Not the other side of the lake, this side of the lake.

3723
05:12:46,210 --> 05:12:52,290
Well, one of the things that I think might happen with this area is that lake view parkway may actually

3724
05:12:52,290 --> 05:12:58,670
you come bigger and when it goes down south of the airport, it may actually even go across the

3725
05:12:58,670 --> 05:13:04,830
proble bay to be, it's not going to be another I-15, but it's actually, it's actually

3726
05:13:04,830 --> 05:13:05,830
envisioned that way.

3727
05:13:06,470 --> 05:13:11,090
Yes, I know, I know the vision is that way, but anyway, it looks like we're going to have

3728
05:13:11,090 --> 05:13:17,870
a study with proble and vineyard and other communities on this corridor to look at that.

3729
05:13:17,870 --> 05:13:26,090
Um, anyway, this is what's already adopted on our master plan, the City Council, I don't

3730
05:13:26,090 --> 05:13:33,370
know, five, six, seven years ago, adopted this general plan for this layout like this.

3731
05:13:33,870 --> 05:13:38,730
But again, you know, and if you look at the concept plan, they do show a road stubbing to

3732
05:13:38,730 --> 05:13:41,690
the north and they still show a road stubbing to the south.

3733
05:13:41,690 --> 05:13:51,770
But those properties aren't ready to develop, and they have an obtain to the road corridor to be able to make a grid network connection.

3734
05:13:52,650 --> 05:14:05,250
And having 2200 plus vehicles a day going to, whether it's one location on Geneva Road or two that's very close together on Geneva Road, it's still one location.

3735
05:14:05,250 --> 05:14:06,090
So

3736
05:14:09,700 --> 05:14:25,840
anyway, I think it's premature to from a traffic standpoint to approve anything like that until some zoning and some general plan changes happen for properties on both sides so that we can make sure that we have a grid network system.

3737
05:14:26,140 --> 05:14:32,980
I mean, that's what we've got through the rest of the forum. That's one of the reasons why we have less traffic problems in other cities.

3738
05:14:32,980 --> 05:14:36,480
And you mean where the stub roads could go to the north and south?

3739
05:14:37,140 --> 05:14:40,780
See those stub roads to the north and south right now just go nowhere.

3740
05:14:41,740 --> 05:14:47,380
And if we're just sending everything to the west, to basically to Geneva Road,

3741
05:14:48,460 --> 05:14:56,960
and I know the developer, you know, I haven't met with the Utah people about this access,

3742
05:14:57,600 --> 05:14:59,940
but after I show them or remind them.

3743
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,420
How it's going to be dead ended and how late few parkways going to carry the majority of the traffic to the south.

3744
05:15:07,680 --> 05:15:11,340
They may change their mind about giving them two accesses.

3745
05:15:12,990 --> 05:15:14,410
So, anyway, I think it's premature.

3746
05:15:14,650 --> 05:15:21,690
I think there's too much density just from a traffic standpoint, without the roads, without the grid network,

3747
05:15:21,990 --> 05:15:24,290
with everything just trying to go to Geneva Road.

3748
05:15:25,130 --> 05:15:25,850
Any other questions?

3749
05:15:27,330 --> 05:15:31,070
Okay, thank you, appreciate it. Tom, did you have some comments?

3750
05:15:41,530 --> 05:15:46,310
Well, we could all tell that we are being asked to be out there.

3751
05:15:46,690 --> 05:15:50,490
It is based on not only units going out to all projects,

3752
05:15:51,370 --> 05:15:56,450
but frankly granting this project more than this whole fair share of doors

3753
05:15:56,450 --> 05:16:01,310
is unfair to the other property holders who will get less for their money.

3754
05:16:01,310 --> 05:16:02,090
Thank you very much.

3755
05:16:02,310 --> 05:16:04,190
They can develop as many people.

3756
05:16:05,770 --> 05:16:10,930
So, for me, changing that requires the novel change in how much we've shown to me,

3757
05:16:10,930 --> 05:16:13,590
back to you, so, frankly, I want to go down that road.

3758
05:16:17,120 --> 05:16:18,800
Okay, thank you, Tom.

3759
05:16:20,180 --> 05:16:23,860
This is a public hearing, so I would like to go ahead and open it up to the public.

3760
05:16:24,880 --> 05:16:29,260
We would request that anyone who speaks, give us their name, and hold their comments

3761
05:16:29,260 --> 05:16:32,360
to three minutes, and the time is now open.

3762
05:16:32,360 --> 05:16:33,100
Mayor.

3763
05:16:33,680 --> 05:16:34,180
Make a comment.

3764
05:16:35,580 --> 05:16:39,200
Maybe a suspected developer maybe has a presentation that he wants to make before public

3765
05:16:39,200 --> 05:16:39,540
comment.

3766
05:16:39,840 --> 05:16:39,960
Yes.

3767
05:16:40,480 --> 05:16:41,360
If it's okay.

3768
05:16:41,360 --> 05:16:41,600
Sure.

3769
05:16:41,980 --> 05:16:42,200
Yeah.

3770
05:16:42,380 --> 05:16:43,720
I was not aware of that.

3771
05:16:43,760 --> 05:16:44,320
Thank you.

3772
05:16:44,460 --> 05:16:44,740
Appreciate it.

3773
05:16:44,740 --> 05:16:46,300
We will hold off.

3774
05:16:46,740 --> 05:16:48,880
Public comment, portion of the hearing.

3775
05:16:49,420 --> 05:16:50,640
Tell after his presentation.

3776
05:16:53,790 --> 05:16:54,230
Thank you.

3777
05:16:55,490 --> 05:17:00,190
So, a couple of points, I guess, to address some of the concerns that have been brought

3778
05:17:00,190 --> 05:17:00,730
up.

3779
05:17:01,270 --> 05:17:07,130
If we look at the entire area and we're talking about, you know, fairness and and

3780
05:17:07,130 --> 05:17:14,310
densities and things like that, just to, I guess, get a good overall picture of what

3781
05:17:14,310 --> 05:17:15,610
we're looking at.

3782
05:17:15,950 --> 05:17:20,010
So our property, you can see which is Elmcress Farm, which is about 16 acres.

3783
05:17:20,410 --> 05:17:21,950
Ryan, one question real quick.

3784
05:17:22,230 --> 05:17:24,790
So have you purchased that property and do you own it?

3785
05:17:24,830 --> 05:17:25,230
Yes.

3786
05:17:25,650 --> 05:17:26,750
We do own it.

3787
05:17:28,390 --> 05:17:33,750
So originally and that it's probably confusing because originally when I brought the annexation

3788
05:17:33,750 --> 05:17:41,110
petition forward, the property that I was working on at the time was this Wilkerson Farm property.

3789
05:17:41,950 --> 05:17:43,570
And so just to refresh memories,

3790
05:17:45,730 --> 05:17:48,770
I put together the annex, excuse me, the annexation

3791
05:17:48,770 --> 05:17:54,770
petition for this region with the intent to develop the Wilkerson Farm property which was about

3792
05:17:56,530 --> 05:18:06,230
We were denied, our application was denied and that property has since been sold to a charitable trust.

3793
05:18:06,830 --> 05:18:17,690
And that charitable trust is the purpose of it is to maintain open farm ground to maintain farm grounds within cities.

3794
05:18:18,330 --> 05:18:22,810
And so they've taken it out of development basically.

3795
05:18:22,810 --> 05:18:27,970
And so, and that gets to my larger point of the overall density in the area and the traffic.

3796
05:18:28,590 --> 05:18:32,910
So, so when you're looking at RPs at the north end of the LM for LM crest farms,

3797
05:18:33,410 --> 05:18:38,570
a couple of unique things about us is we're talking about the future like few parkway

3798
05:18:38,570 --> 05:18:40,530
and how it may even be bigger.

3799
05:18:41,150 --> 05:18:44,410
So, I would ask you to just kind of use your imagination and just kind of think,

3800
05:18:44,470 --> 05:18:47,950
you know, let's say five years from now, let's say we come back five years from now

3801
05:18:48,410 --> 05:18:54,730
with an application and that that that parkways in and some of that industrials in.

3802
05:18:55,690 --> 05:19:00,530
It's not going to be, I believe at that point it's not going to be a question of whether

3803
05:19:00,530 --> 05:19:01,590
we should do single family.

3804
05:19:01,730 --> 05:19:05,950
It's going to be a question of how much can we fit on this property at that point because

3805
05:19:05,950 --> 05:19:09,850
it's going to be a massive road going right in front of us.

3806
05:19:09,950 --> 05:19:11,930
We're going to have warehouses all around us.

3807
05:19:12,030 --> 05:19:17,070
We have a multi-family to the north, we have multi-family to the south and yet we're trying

3808
05:19:17,070 --> 05:19:21,270
you aren't, you know, large, large, large single family in between those.

3809
05:19:22,370 --> 05:19:32,030
If you look at the fairness question, if we were to divvy up these units, right, I guess

3810
05:19:32,030 --> 05:19:34,130
is the question before us.

3811
05:19:34,850 --> 05:19:42,510
So the way the densities are calculated now and the way their distributors, basically,

3812
05:19:43,550 --> 05:19:53,190
the entire area. So this entire area is all slated, excuse me, I guess it goes more like this.

3813
05:19:53,710 --> 05:19:59,890
So this all this residential is slated to have basically the same density.

3814
05:20:00,800 --> 05:20:06,620
Minus the conservation easement, which was not included and this is the school here that's not included.

3815
05:20:08,020 --> 05:20:15,600
So, I guess the point being, if you take the Wilkerson farm just for one out of the equation,

3816
05:20:15,860 --> 05:20:23,040
because it's now in a charitable trust to be kept in farming and perpetuity, that opens up quite a few units.

3817
05:20:23,040 --> 05:20:33,260
If you look at the AC property, which is also slated to have quite a bit of density, that's already developed, and it's not likely to change its use.

3818
05:20:33,760 --> 05:20:40,500
If you look at this millhaven property here, this is already developed to single family.

3819
05:20:41,020 --> 05:20:50,560
And then you've got these smaller units here, which are all, I guess, wouldn't say remnant, but there's one acre to one point, you know, something acres.

3820
05:20:50,560 --> 05:20:58,680
and they already have homes on them, and then you've got this home here at the Brown Home, which is already has a home on it.

3821
05:20:59,900 --> 05:21:09,280
So you have, I guess the point is, I don't believe it's realistic to expect all those properties to develop out at that density.

3822
05:21:10,060 --> 05:21:17,280
I believe even if you just considered only the workers in farm as being taken out of development, and you don't consider the easy property,

3823
05:21:17,280 --> 05:21:21,760
who knows, maybe they'll, you know, sometime in the future decide to add something to their

3824
05:21:21,760 --> 05:21:27,240
property. I don't know. I can't speak for them. But I believe that it's quite likely that

3825
05:21:27,240 --> 05:21:31,660
many of these properties that are in this area that this density has been allotted to will

3826
05:21:31,660 --> 05:21:39,060
not change their use, or it's not likely that they will change their use. And so, as far as the,

3827
05:21:39,060 --> 05:21:45,180
as far as the traffic and the discussions, I completely agree that we've got to be smart with

3828
05:21:45,180 --> 05:21:52,700
traffic and we've got to design this in a smart way to not affect, you know, to not to

3829
05:21:52,700 --> 05:21:58,900
not be a burden and we're open to looking at different options in different ways to mitigate

3830
05:21:58,900 --> 05:22:05,900
that. But I think if you look at the overall area, this is one of the least dense areas in

3831
05:22:05,900 --> 05:22:16,120
the entire city. If you look at the fact that we've got this massive, these massive areas here,

3832
05:22:16,120 --> 05:22:23,500
So, you've got this massive conservation easement, this massive agriculture easement, you've got the conservation easement over here.

3833
05:22:24,860 --> 05:22:30,300
You've got, you know, the church property up here, which is owned by the presiding bishopric.

3834
05:22:30,580 --> 05:22:35,040
It's not owned by the arm that's going to develop or build buildings.

3835
05:22:35,980 --> 05:22:39,340
So, that's going to be a fairly low dense property.

3836
05:22:39,340 --> 05:22:51,940
This general area is a pretty low dense area in the city and it will remain so because of just all of the easements and things that are on the property and so I believe

3837
05:22:51,940 --> 05:22:53,760
You know

3838
05:22:53,760 --> 05:22:54,540
Our

3839
05:22:54,540 --> 05:23:02,060
The density that we're requesting is is you know kind of a drop in the bucket. It's not really going to be a massive burden on

3840
05:23:02,060 --> 05:23:05,460
On the entire area if you if you consider it as a whole

3841
05:23:05,460 --> 05:23:16,760
So a question, if you were to switch to medium density, then Peterson would have that availability to them as well, correct?

3842
05:23:18,340 --> 05:23:19,580
If council goes that way, they would.

3843
05:23:20,100 --> 05:23:20,440
Okay.

3844
05:23:20,740 --> 05:23:22,560
At least the precedents would be set.

3845
05:23:22,560 --> 05:23:22,980
Presidents.

3846
05:23:24,200 --> 05:23:27,040
And the Taylor property could go that way.

3847
05:23:28,020 --> 05:23:31,580
The other deliverer property could go that way.

3848
05:23:31,580 --> 05:23:43,800
So that's eight, that's 12, that's 20, and you have 16, so it could be 36 to 40 acres that would change from low density to medium density.

3849
05:23:45,640 --> 05:23:51,520
And if you take out the 14 for the Wilkerson farm, and I can't speak for the tailors, I wouldn't presume to.

3850
05:23:51,580 --> 05:23:53,520
I don't know what they'll plan on doing with their property.

3851
05:23:53,520 --> 05:24:04,440
And I don't know exactly what they're, you know, why they section out the 5.25 acres out of the conservationies, and I know they live there, and they have their home there.

3852
05:24:05,200 --> 05:24:10,140
And so I don't know what their plans are, but I would have seen it with Peterson's plans are.

3853
05:24:11,320 --> 05:24:13,920
I don't believe they have any at this point.

3854
05:24:15,340 --> 05:24:19,340
And again, I hate to speak for them, maybe they do, but I haven't heard of anything.

3855
05:24:20,860 --> 05:24:29,120
But I wouldn't imagine that the tailors would be looking to do much density considering that they put most of their property.

3856
05:24:29,420 --> 05:24:30,820
They were the ones that didn't disconcervation.

3857
05:24:31,000 --> 05:24:31,900
He's been over here as well.

3858
05:24:32,480 --> 05:24:37,680
So they're not necessarily the, I wouldn't pack them for looking to do much density.

3859
05:24:37,820 --> 05:24:38,740
But again, I can't speak for them.

3860
05:24:38,740 --> 05:24:41,680
I don't know what their plans are.

3861
05:24:42,060 --> 05:24:46,380
But I believe, you know, just looking at the entire area.

3862
05:24:46,380 --> 05:24:52,500
I believe this is, for talking about trying to bring people to forum that they can afford it,

3863
05:24:53,180 --> 05:24:59,960
they can afford to move here without spending, you know, where at least $500,000 now on a single pound.

3864
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:06,260
On that size of a lot, at least. And that's conservative, I believe, if it were me building the home and

3865
05:25:06,260 --> 05:25:14,660
be more starting more at around $600,000. And so, you know, I believe our vision is, we want

3866
05:25:14,660 --> 05:25:21,160
to provide a product that people can afford to have a single-family home, have a two-car garage,

3867
05:25:22,860 --> 05:25:29,980
have an affordable place to live within a convenient, with inconvenient reach of the freeway,

3868
05:25:29,980 --> 05:25:37,040
was in convenient reach of the schools and not have these people that would be moving into

3869
05:25:37,040 --> 05:25:41,100
these homes moving to Eagle Mountain and commuting here or moving to pace and commuting here

3870
05:25:41,100 --> 05:25:49,200
but moving here and staying here. And I believe that's what I believe is good for the city as well.

3871
05:25:49,540 --> 05:25:57,160
I believe that if the city is intent on having either apartments either you're living in an apartment

3872
05:25:57,160 --> 05:25:59,700
or you're living in a half a million dollar plus home,

3873
05:25:59,820 --> 05:26:01,800
then there's, I think, a large segment of the population,

3874
05:26:02,420 --> 05:26:04,320
unfortunately, it gets left out of that equation.

3875
05:26:05,140 --> 05:26:07,860
And I think, you know, we feel like this is a great place to do this.

3876
05:26:07,940 --> 05:26:10,420
I don't believe that there are many places in the city now.

3877
05:26:10,800 --> 05:26:14,020
You could do this type of a product and it's a very, very popular product.

3878
05:26:14,160 --> 05:26:17,080
I believe if we had them up right now, we could sell them immediately.

3879
05:26:17,460 --> 05:26:20,260
I mean, there's a demand for this type of a home.

3880
05:26:20,700 --> 05:26:23,520
There's a lot of people that can't afford to live here

3881
05:26:23,520 --> 05:26:25,120
that would love to have a single family home here.

3882
05:26:25,120 --> 05:26:30,260
I think we could sell these homes very quickly and people would love to live here in those homes.

3883
05:26:31,140 --> 05:26:33,620
Councillor Sey-Strand has a question for you?

3884
05:26:34,320 --> 05:26:40,240
I just wanted to thank you for clarifying the vision, because as you mentioned, there's church

3885
05:26:40,240 --> 05:26:45,440
property to the North, there's the Taher family, there's all these other places that are low density.

3886
05:26:46,100 --> 05:26:47,700
My thought was, hold on up.

3887
05:26:47,700 --> 05:26:49,660
That's exactly what we had in mind.

3888
05:26:50,000 --> 05:26:51,800
That's what we envisioned for this area.

3889
05:26:51,800 --> 05:27:20,820
That's what you were part of that old discussion, and you know, that's what the intent of property owners in the neighbors in the area was to retain this as a load entity, rural family area, that it was not intended to be a high density issue, it was not that's why the Wilkinson Farm was denied was there was no intention to do anything other than preserve this area with the conservation easements and the agricultural easements and those things to say,

3890
05:27:20,820 --> 05:27:28,260
That's what the property owners in this area, and that's what the city envisioned is that there are other places in the city where you're going to see

3891
05:27:28,260 --> 05:27:38,060
High-density apartments on very busy streets like state street and and University Parkway in various areas, but for this area that's rare that's unique

3892
05:27:38,060 --> 05:27:48,980
That's a farming community. That's what we were trying to preserve, and I think as you laid that out, I felt well, yeah, that's exactly what

3893
05:27:48,980 --> 05:27:55,140
that's what everybody want it. So I'm approaching this from a standpoint of I don't know

3894
05:27:55,140 --> 05:28:00,700
that low density residential is a failing proposition. I think there are many people that are

3895
05:28:00,700 --> 05:28:09,200
looking for a nice quiet rural area in Oram to enjoy a very quiet lifestyle surrounded by farms,

3896
05:28:09,840 --> 05:28:15,680
surrounded by livestock, surrounded by the amenities that you don't see too often in big cities.

3897
05:28:15,680 --> 05:28:44,320
I think that's a huge plus and a benefit, and I'm really anxious to hear from the neighbors too that are here to speak, so I won't say any more, but I do think that's what was intended, was to go with that, and everything we did was in that regard, the NC calculations, all of the planning was tied to that, and I'm really concerned that just a few years into it, now we're back here to say the neighbors, now we changed our mind.

3898
05:28:44,320 --> 05:28:51,560
we see this as a medium or identity, that doesn't apply with me because I think we were all part of a really good plan

3899
05:28:51,560 --> 05:28:56,860
to say, how do we add this part to the city in a way that really preserves the integrity of this community?

3900
05:28:58,160 --> 05:29:11,500
Thank you. I appreciate you saying that because I do understand the idea of maintaining this as farm ground and as rural.

3901
05:29:12,960 --> 05:29:24,680
I guess I just, unfortunately, see, when I look at it, you know, I feel like, well, yeah, but the city did approve, you know, the Mansel project, which is all multi-family, which is this.

3902
05:29:24,680 --> 05:29:29,780
Oh, we did, which was a paid for the infrastructure development and the city, okay, on for it.

3903
05:29:30,160 --> 05:29:32,740
That was the, that was the exchange for that.

3904
05:29:32,740 --> 05:29:39,440
you can go just south of 2000 south and by lower density or lower cost higher density housing in

3905
05:29:39,440 --> 05:29:45,180
proble. But I think the intent was here in or we want to keep this distinctive in separate

3906
05:29:45,180 --> 05:29:51,400
and that that was the intent of how we we did that. So that's just my my thought and it doesn't seem

3907
05:29:51,400 --> 05:29:58,260
like it was that long ago that we had to a clock a meetings on on this whole thing because it was

3908
05:29:58,260 --> 05:29:59,300
critical and important.

3909
05:30:07,820 --> 05:30:29,980
I think we were also on this property here. I put the annexation petition together, and we were willing to pay for those utilities, as well. And in fact, Jeff Mansell came in and asked to join on to the annexation petition. We were prepared to do that.

3910
05:30:29,980 --> 05:30:31,120
to move forward without him.

3911
05:30:31,240 --> 05:30:35,040
And so he was kind of a late comer to the whole annexation.

3912
05:30:35,860 --> 05:30:37,640
And then our project was rejected.

3913
05:30:38,180 --> 05:30:44,280
But I think also to your point, as far as what the vision is

3914
05:30:44,280 --> 05:30:48,480
for this area, I guess I just don't understand.

3915
05:30:48,580 --> 05:30:51,320
If that's the vision why we're putting light and dust,

3916
05:30:51,600 --> 05:30:53,240
we're surrounded by light and dust real.

3917
05:30:54,180 --> 05:30:56,340
And we're going to be backing the front runner.

3918
05:30:56,420 --> 05:30:57,560
We're going to be backing the freeway.

3919
05:30:57,560 --> 05:31:04,760
live in this area. I can hear the freeway from at least at least from here. I can hear the

3920
05:31:04,760 --> 05:31:11,960
freeway every day. And I look at, you know, what's coming as far as the Lakeview Parkway.

3921
05:31:12,520 --> 05:31:17,800
Geneva Road is, and I believe our property is also unique in the fact that we will be, you

3922
05:31:17,800 --> 05:31:22,300
know, the last property basically fronting and the parkway is going to cut in. I believe

3923
05:31:22,300 --> 05:31:28,700
a little bit quicker than it shows here, but we'll be the last property fronting the parkway.

3924
05:31:29,360 --> 05:31:35,860
So it's going to have a completely different complexion on our property that it's going to have on these properties down here.

3925
05:31:36,260 --> 05:31:37,920
It's not going to have near the effect.

3926
05:31:38,420 --> 05:31:40,000
Well, we're going to be fronting it.

3927
05:31:40,000 --> 05:31:42,760
These properties down here aren't really going to have to deal with it at all.

3928
05:31:42,940 --> 05:31:45,940
I believe our properties unique in that perspective as well.

3929
05:31:46,760 --> 05:31:51,000
But I believe to your point, there's we're going to be surrounded by industrial.

3930
05:31:51,000 --> 05:31:57,080
we have railroad tracks, we have a free way that you can hear, we have a major parkway coming through.

3931
05:31:57,380 --> 05:32:03,200
And so I believe those types of developments, if we look five years, ten years into the future,

3932
05:32:04,300 --> 05:32:07,120
it's going to have a completely different complex than what we're looking at now.

3933
05:32:07,220 --> 05:32:09,120
And I think that's kind of what we're trying to plan for.

3934
05:32:09,260 --> 05:32:15,880
And again, also I believe, just the cost of putting those single-family homes.

3935
05:32:15,880 --> 05:32:21,100
I wouldn't feel good about selling six, five, six, seven, a hundred thousand dollar

3936
05:32:21,100 --> 05:32:24,360
home to somebody, knowing what's coming in the future.

3937
05:32:24,900 --> 05:32:28,260
They're going to be surrounded by industrial, and they're going to have a huge parkway coming

3938
05:32:28,260 --> 05:32:28,820
in front of them.

3939
05:32:28,980 --> 05:32:32,280
I don't know that I'd feel good about filling that home to them.

3940
05:32:32,300 --> 05:32:33,700
You're not surrounded by industrial.

3941
05:32:34,080 --> 05:32:37,900
What's directly to the north of you is a farm that's in an agricultural leasement.

3942
05:32:37,940 --> 05:32:41,540
There's not going to be any industrial there to the north of you, to the south of you,

3943
05:32:41,540 --> 05:32:44,460
is low-density residential, that's not industrial.

3944
05:32:44,460 --> 05:32:49,820
80% of your property is surrounded by low density residential or farmland.

3945
05:32:50,580 --> 05:32:55,940
You've got one part that's got a little teeny spot of light industrial when you've got the train tracks.

3946
05:32:56,580 --> 05:33:01,460
On the front runner that passes by every 30 minutes during the day and ends at 12 o'clock at night.

3947
05:33:03,040 --> 05:33:04,420
Oh, yes, somewhere in there.

3948
05:33:04,840 --> 05:33:12,220
I mean, I'm just not seeing this urgency of where surrounded by all these negative things.

3949
05:33:12,220 --> 05:33:19,740
you are in the prime spot of the city of Oram for a rural, lovable farming area Utah.

3950
05:33:22,320 --> 05:33:23,540
It's not a negative.

3951
05:33:24,620 --> 05:33:30,200
Sure, and I appreciate that perspective, and I know there's no sense of room, and I've already

3952
05:33:30,200 --> 05:33:30,660
said it also.

3953
05:33:30,760 --> 05:33:34,880
Yeah, and I know there's some in this room that fill that way as well, it's just, I think,

3954
05:33:34,880 --> 05:33:37,480
you know, we're, I guess, that's where we, we diverge.

3955
05:33:39,400 --> 05:33:43,780
So, do you have more to your presentation or do you do?

3956
05:33:44,080 --> 05:33:51,720
Unless there are questions, again, we would just stress, you know, we believe we want, again, it's a price point.

3957
05:33:52,380 --> 05:33:55,520
We want to provide homes for people that are in that price point.

3958
05:33:55,660 --> 05:33:56,880
We feel that that will do very well.

3959
05:33:57,020 --> 05:34:00,560
We feel that that will be a need that is not being currently met in the city.

3960
05:34:02,040 --> 05:34:06,640
And I think, you know, considering what's coming in the future, I believe that that's a good fit.

3961
05:34:06,640 --> 05:34:13,900
or the larger homes are going to be a good fit, and I appreciate the point that we do have

3962
05:34:13,900 --> 05:34:19,840
an agriculture's relation to the north of us. I don't know what the church will do,

3963
05:34:19,960 --> 05:34:25,480
but I would imagine when they come in, they'll probably do some buildings, and then I would

3964
05:34:25,480 --> 05:34:29,840
imagine that they'll probably maybe be requesting multi-founders as well, because they're a bordering

3965
05:34:29,840 --> 05:34:35,960
multi-founder. I wouldn't imagine I'm not going to be looking to do single-founders. But I believe

3966
05:34:36,800 --> 05:34:44,100
If we're looking towards the future, I believe, what fits, I mean, I mean, I just would not feel comfortable

3967
05:34:45,280 --> 05:34:47,820
Selling a home like that in this area. I just okay

3968
05:34:48,980 --> 05:34:55,940
All right, appreciate that. So we'll go ahead and open it up for public comment anyone who would like to come forward

3969
05:34:55,940 --> 05:34:59,960
Please do so but keep your comments to three minutes and give us your name

3970
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:01,180
When you come to the microphone.

3971
05:35:07,880 --> 05:35:14,820
My name is Biden Taylor. Not long ago, I stood here to protest the planned industrial development

3972
05:35:14,820 --> 05:35:21,520
across Geneva Road from, even though the outcome of the meeting favored developer. I was

3973
05:35:21,520 --> 05:35:27,100
encouraged by the logic of the final decision. The city council chose to abide by the plan

3974
05:35:27,100 --> 05:35:33,920
adopted when parts of the Lake U area were incorporated. Historically, farms have been established

3975
05:35:33,920 --> 05:35:40,760
away from urban areas. I believe the reasons for this are intuitive. Let's not pretend that problems

3976
05:35:40,760 --> 05:35:46,700
are not created by the invasion of cities into farm operations. On more than one occasion,

3977
05:35:46,940 --> 05:35:52,180
I've heard someone in this type of meeting say, we can develop and they can farm as if everything's

3978
05:35:52,180 --> 05:36:03,900
peachy. And veryably, the observation comes from someone profane from development and not from

3979
05:36:03,900 --> 05:36:08,380
less population density in Oram City's plan for our area.

3980
05:36:09,020 --> 05:36:14,040
However, I appreciate the fact that it includes low-density residential areas that are

3981
05:36:14,040 --> 05:36:16,840
more compatible with ongoing farming.

3982
05:36:17,760 --> 05:36:23,000
We already have an abundance of higher density housing and the associated risks.

3983
05:36:23,880 --> 05:36:25,300
It's just a couple of more comments.

3984
05:36:26,800 --> 05:36:31,980
So yes, we on the five and a quarter acres, my wife and I, that are not under an easement.

3985
05:36:32,580 --> 05:36:38,000
When the easements were created, they had to be lean free, mortgage free.

3986
05:36:38,140 --> 05:36:39,460
We had a mortgage at that time.

3987
05:36:40,080 --> 05:36:43,140
I can guarantee you, we are not going to tear down our barn,

3988
05:36:43,540 --> 05:36:46,420
and rip up our alpha fields and develop it.

3989
05:36:46,700 --> 05:36:49,780
Getting that under an easement is on our list of things to do.

3990
05:36:52,080 --> 05:36:56,940
I think the elephant in the room here is that the developer purchased this property,

3991
05:36:57,060 --> 05:37:00,580
knowing full well what the plan was and how it was owned.

3992
05:37:01,380 --> 05:37:12,140
So I think it's either unwise or very bold speculation to develop their own whole business model on this being changed.

3993
05:37:13,000 --> 05:37:18,740
I have to believe that they're smarter than that, and that they have a backup plan that perhaps creates less profit.

3994
05:37:19,100 --> 05:37:27,900
Maybe they have to wait longer, but it's hard to believe that they are putting us in a position that nobody wants any kind of house besides what we're offering.

3995
05:37:27,900 --> 05:37:31,220
Therefore, we are have to do it this way.

3996
05:37:34,360 --> 05:37:38,720
When last comment, I think the developer used the term shoehorn.

3997
05:37:39,500 --> 05:37:41,320
I think shoehorn is appropriate.

3998
05:37:41,540 --> 05:37:43,800
Yes, we have nice open space down there.

3999
05:37:43,980 --> 05:37:48,620
But the shoehorn in higher density housing, every other place we can get it,

4000
05:37:48,800 --> 05:37:50,960
is just not good planning and good development.

4001
05:37:51,400 --> 05:37:52,240
Thank you.

4002
05:37:53,140 --> 05:37:53,900
Thank you.

4003
05:38:01,520 --> 05:38:08,040
And I think Mr. C. Strann expressed well the feelings for the people in our neighborhood.

4004
05:38:10,940 --> 05:38:18,340
And I would add to that Ryan knew when he bought the property what it was owned as an old secret or no surprise.

4005
05:38:19,440 --> 05:38:25,080
He often has said you can't put individual houses by at the railroad tracks and that's why he had to put an identity.

4006
05:38:25,080 --> 05:38:29,160
I have two maps here and then did some driving today.

4007
05:38:35,960 --> 05:38:41,840
Off of eight South and Orum, right next, back in the freeway are really nice individual

4008
05:38:41,840 --> 05:38:47,420
homes that not back the freeway, back the railroad tracks that are established neighborhood.

4009
05:38:47,540 --> 05:38:51,860
I know people who live there who have stayed there since they bought their homes who intend

4010
05:38:51,860 --> 05:38:53,400
to make it there forever home.

4011
05:38:53,400 --> 05:39:02,140
And if you go a mile point two, one point two miles south, you'll come into Provo and in

4012
05:39:02,140 --> 05:39:07,600
recent states, it's the same situation where the homes are built right against the railroad

4013
05:39:07,600 --> 05:39:12,260
access so that it's not a problem to have individual homes and they're not inexpensive homes,

4014
05:39:12,380 --> 05:39:17,940
they're nice homes, they're permanent neighborhood, there's trees, there's, it's a wonderful

4015
05:39:17,940 --> 05:39:19,920
place to live and people are happy to live there.

4016
05:39:19,920 --> 05:39:26,020
So the railroad tracks can't be a detriment to having an individual home there.

4017
05:39:26,720 --> 05:39:30,020
And as far we have worked with the church that are just north of us, we're playing

4018
05:39:30,020 --> 05:39:35,280
our family properties, partnership in the agriculture, even the easement.

4019
05:39:35,500 --> 05:39:39,580
And at the time the church, we saw their plans we were working with them, they intended to

4020
05:39:39,580 --> 05:39:44,520
put a couple of double churches and have soccer fields, they did not intend to develop into

4021
05:39:44,520 --> 05:39:48,280
high density, have to be or anything. It was going to be more open space.

4022
05:39:52,730 --> 05:39:53,810
Right now we have

4023
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:07,100
They were supposed to be oner occupied and not be rentals. And the developments of countrywood,

4024
05:40:07,340 --> 05:40:13,660
Shambrae and Normandy have all turned into rentals. They're right now about between 33

4025
05:40:13,660 --> 05:40:20,620
and 35 percent oner occupied in the rest is rentals. So our neighborhood is very much a lot

4026
05:40:20,620 --> 05:40:27,460
of turnover. And really we want some housing that would be contribute to stability and to a good

4027
05:40:27,460 --> 05:40:34,060
neighborhood and I think there's lots of people I'd love to live in a half a million dollar house next to some farm ground.

4028
05:40:34,920 --> 05:40:36,860
Thank you.

4029
05:40:36,860 --> 05:40:37,920
Thank you.

4030
05:40:48,890 --> 05:40:59,610
My name is Christian Clark and I just want to make a comment about how when we, with all the talk about the housing being as what it is.

4031
05:41:00,390 --> 05:41:08,130
I think we're also missing the fact that even though the developer of self mentioned that a lot of people would not be able to afford these homes.

4032
05:41:08,130 --> 05:41:16,210
It should be developed and even as it is now like it's almost quite I mean it's impossible for myself to be able to afford it

4033
05:41:16,210 --> 05:41:22,670
Oh my I'm fortunate I live with family, but my current salary I make 20% of the medium average income of warm

4034
05:41:22,670 --> 05:41:32,130
As a result like I I would I would have no hope of purchasing one of one of the developers homes or one of the homes that in in these rural communities or anywhere else

4035
05:41:32,950 --> 05:41:42,510
just because of what my job is as it is and so all I'm saying is that when we consider

4036
05:41:42,510 --> 05:41:48,010
all these these rezoning and all the homes that are going to be built there, all I

4037
05:41:48,010 --> 05:41:53,810
ask is that you remember that not everybody would have the financial capacity to purchase

4038
05:41:53,810 --> 05:41:55,190
a half a million dollar home.

4039
05:41:55,610 --> 05:41:56,450
Thank you.

4040
05:41:56,450 --> 05:41:58,190
Thank you.

4041
05:42:08,170 --> 05:42:09,490
Adele Levitt.

4042
05:42:10,630 --> 05:42:20,550
And Byron Taylor made a comment about how it is difficult as things are developed for the farmers to still function.

4043
05:42:21,790 --> 05:42:28,550
And one issue that I feel if the zoning is changed so it's higher density.

4044
05:42:29,530 --> 05:42:48,650
There's a token pocket park there, but what happens when there's lots of people they use over onto the open space, which if you're trying to farm it does not work very well.

4045
05:42:50,070 --> 05:42:58,130
And, you know, Mr. McDougal made it sound very undesirable to live in that area, so why does

4046
05:42:58,130 --> 05:43:00,010
he want to put more people there?

4047
05:43:01,150 --> 05:43:07,090
It doesn't make for permanent residents if it's not pleasant to live there and if it's

4048
05:43:07,090 --> 05:43:07,730
that crowded.

4049
05:43:08,450 --> 05:43:15,990
And it's not set up like a PDR that has shopping and other amenities close by, it's just

4050
05:43:15,990 --> 05:43:20,050
back in the men like Sardines, they have to go somewhere.

4051
05:43:20,290 --> 05:43:23,390
It's just a bedroom community where they come and sleep

4052
05:43:23,390 --> 05:43:26,850
and probably get out of there as fast as they can the next day.

4053
05:43:28,450 --> 05:43:32,510
So I really think it needs to stay low density.

4054
05:43:35,090 --> 05:43:36,130
Thank you.

4055
05:43:36,370 --> 05:43:37,370
Thank you.

4056
05:43:42,890 --> 05:43:45,290
Ann Olsen, I'm one of the owners of the property.

4057
05:43:48,010 --> 05:43:50,410
And it's not that it's a bad place.

4058
05:43:50,410 --> 05:43:54,230
It's a great place, but it is going to be a different place.

4059
05:43:54,870 --> 05:43:58,610
Just like the orchards you mentioned up on university, they're not there anymore.

4060
05:43:59,650 --> 05:44:05,790
And when this big parkway comes through that's a major road with the noise and pollution

4061
05:44:05,790 --> 05:44:11,950
and traffic, and as you look at that map and you already see warehouses going next to

4062
05:44:11,950 --> 05:44:17,690
multi-family, and as that works north, you're going to have a big curve, you're going to have

4063
05:44:17,690 --> 05:44:22,950
that's going to be in comparison to the University Parkway on a curve which is going to be

4064
05:44:22,950 --> 05:44:29,010
a lot of noise and then you are going to have trucks and you're going to have bays and you're

4065
05:44:29,010 --> 05:44:36,110
going to have docks and that is going to be at your entrance to this development. It's not a bad

4066
05:44:36,110 --> 05:44:42,850
place but it's not a place for expensive homes and people won't be happy with that and then on

4067
05:44:42,850 --> 05:44:48,930
back side of it, you are, you've got the railroads and you've got industrial. So it's just,

4068
05:44:48,930 --> 05:44:54,870
I don't think it's good planning long term. I don't think it's, I think, the plan that Ryan's

4069
05:44:54,870 --> 05:44:59,950
presented is a better plan long term and I think it's good planning for what is going to happen.

4070
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:10,500
I mean, and it's coming. It doesn't matter if what we say it's coming, because you've already got the light industrial that's going along the west and that major road is coming.

4071
05:45:11,980 --> 05:45:26,980
As far as the farming, I can respect the farmers. I love open space. I live down in a little area that's, or I'm trying to build a home that's got a lot of water and it's tucked down in a little spot, but the major roadways are missing.

4072
05:45:26,980 --> 05:45:34,300
But it's still getting developed around, but this is right in the path, and it's going to happen.

4073
05:45:34,380 --> 05:45:39,180
So what's the right thing to be there with these trucks, with these dogs, with this major roadway?

4074
05:45:39,780 --> 05:45:41,660
It's not low density in my opinion.

4075
05:45:43,300 --> 05:45:52,200
The other thing that was talked about, I've worked with Garbet Homes, I've worked with Cowboy, I own him stuff with Cowboy,

4076
05:45:53,340 --> 05:45:58,900
And we've done town homerannels, we've actually done detached homerannels that I know

4077
05:45:58,900 --> 05:45:59,880
of.

4078
05:46:00,460 --> 05:46:04,920
And when the people move into those projects, those with the two carger

4079
05:46:04,920 --> 05:46:09,320
oddages and the three bedrooms, if they have the amenities, the people don't move.

4080
05:46:09,900 --> 05:46:10,580
They're there.

4081
05:46:11,080 --> 05:46:12,780
And I also own stacked flats.

4082
05:46:12,880 --> 05:46:14,720
Now they're the people moving in and out.

4083
05:46:15,060 --> 05:46:17,860
But in the others, they say, well, move in and move out.

4084
05:46:18,040 --> 05:46:19,520
They do not move in and out.

4085
05:46:19,860 --> 05:46:20,640
They are stable.

4086
05:46:20,640 --> 05:46:28,520
They love the places and the other thing is I live in South Shorten to cease to the temple and right below me

4087
05:46:29,120 --> 05:46:35,220
There's third acre lots to the north me. There's third acre lots and he's to those there's town homes

4088
05:46:36,120 --> 05:46:38,500
And Van Palmer has dirt field

4089
05:46:38,500 --> 05:46:44,820
He pulls draft horses around that field right along the third acre lots right along the town homes

4090
05:46:45,480 --> 05:46:47,040
Do I have any time left?

4091
05:46:47,040 --> 05:46:53,380
There is no more conflict in fact. There's less with the town homes. There's single family third acre lot guys

4092
05:46:53,380 --> 05:46:58,680
are way worse as far as the farming conflict. They complain like no other

4093
05:46:59,260 --> 05:47:01,600
The people in the town homes do not

4094
05:47:01,600 --> 05:47:02,160
I'd

4095
05:47:10,580 --> 05:47:18,220
just like mention one item. I go down spend the new tell us your name, please a George Tucker. I'm the landowner

4096
05:47:18,220 --> 05:47:22,860
I go down spend time in between the railroad tracks and

4097
05:47:22,860 --> 05:47:30,600
When the Southern Pacific comes along, it's loud, but I hear it coming, it's annoying, it takes

4098
05:47:30,600 --> 05:47:37,200
long time to go by, but it's not a big deal, it's just loud, noisy, and it is what it is.

4099
05:47:37,440 --> 05:47:42,580
But I'll be down there, and the frontrunner will come by, and it'll scare the every living

4100
05:47:42,580 --> 05:47:47,820
heck out of me, because I don't see it coming, and it just shakes me up.

4101
05:47:47,820 --> 05:47:50,620
But I know what's there, and I, oh, it's a front runner,

4102
05:47:51,180 --> 05:47:54,480
then I go about my business, and every time it comes,

4103
05:47:54,900 --> 05:47:57,440
whether it's 30 minutes, I'm not sure how often it comes.

4104
05:47:58,320 --> 05:47:59,520
But I know it's coming.

4105
05:48:00,100 --> 05:48:03,220
And it still scares the heck out of me, every time it comes by,

4106
05:48:03,420 --> 05:48:05,220
and oh, it's the front runner relax.

4107
05:48:06,140 --> 05:48:10,740
So if you put a real nice poem,

4108
05:48:11,580 --> 05:48:14,960
or if you had a lot for sale and a buyer comes,

4109
05:48:14,960 --> 05:48:18,600
And if they're outside, I bet you they could be inside.

4110
05:48:19,020 --> 05:48:21,940
When that front runner comes, they're not buying that lot

4111
05:48:21,940 --> 05:48:23,740
if they have any other choice.

4112
05:48:24,540 --> 05:48:27,220
So I don't know what you do down there.

4113
05:48:27,740 --> 05:48:30,560
I mean, low density would be great,

4114
05:48:30,880 --> 05:48:33,940
away from Geneva Road, and away from the front runner.

4115
05:48:35,220 --> 05:48:38,420
But I don't think it'll work next to the front runner

4116
05:48:38,420 --> 05:48:41,440
because it'll just scare the homeowners to death.

4117
05:48:41,720 --> 05:48:42,900
They'll never buy that lot.

4118
05:48:43,120 --> 05:48:43,940
Thank you.

4119
05:48:48,160 --> 05:48:50,080
Anyone else to care to speak?

4120
05:48:53,670 --> 05:49:06,210
Okay, seeing there no other people coming forward. We'll close the public comment portion of our public hearing and bring it back to the council any more comments or questions from the council

4121
05:49:06,210 --> 05:49:07,090
Okay

4122
05:49:08,310 --> 05:49:10,010
Got a few

4123
05:49:10,550 --> 05:49:11,930
So Jason

4124
05:49:13,870 --> 05:49:20,130
If let's say the Wilkerson Farm stays a farm as a charitable trust, and it's never developed

4125
05:49:20,750 --> 05:49:27,490
for, you know, low-density residential, would that be enough units, essentially?

4126
05:49:27,910 --> 05:49:34,190
It probably wouldn't be enough to satisfy what he's requesting now, would it be enough

4127
05:49:34,190 --> 05:49:39,210
to get them up to a PRD level of development as far as the seven units per acre?

4128
05:49:40,570 --> 05:49:47,270
It's possible, I guess my issue is that even though it's in a charitable trust, there's no guarantee that it would stay in charitable trust.

4129
05:49:47,750 --> 05:49:54,250
I guess in conservation easements, they may sell their rights and it'd be very difficult to get them back, but I'm not sure how this charitable trust is set up.

4130
05:49:55,190 --> 05:49:59,950
The same with the agricultural easement areas, I mean those can be taken out. The property owners have indicated that they never...

4131
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:10,240
Our will. But there is, like, the AC property, no other things. We just don't know what that's going to, the future is going to bring. So I'd rather not speculate, giving that away when we don't know how it's going to work out.

4132
05:50:10,320 --> 05:50:15,800
And it's part of what I'm struggling with. This is not a very black and white issue for me.

4133
05:50:18,060 --> 05:50:26,800
We kind of have to speculate because we're talking about the long-term plan for this area for not just the next five years, but the next 50 or 100 years.

4134
05:50:28,280 --> 05:50:40,100
And I struggle to tell somebody, I'm sorry, you can't develop your property here because somebody who's indicated they have no desire to develop their property might develop it at some point in the future.

4135
05:50:41,320 --> 05:50:45,200
But, you know, how do you kind of split the baby and be fair to all those parties involved?

4136
05:50:45,780 --> 05:50:53,000
The four years ago when, you know, you guys had the 2 am marathon meeting for the annexation.

4137
05:50:53,100 --> 05:50:54,540
I was sitting out there.

4138
05:50:55,220 --> 05:50:58,000
I was running for the council, but I wasn't on the council yet.

4139
05:50:58,440 --> 05:51:05,560
And I actually had a lot of concerns with kind of where we landed with the low-density residential plan.

4140
05:51:06,780 --> 05:51:13,540
And it's not necessarily that I want to develop this whole area for high-density housing or even medium residential housing.

4141
05:51:13,540 --> 05:51:25,540
But I felt like, you know, the Mansell project versus the Magduva project, it's like we were kind of using two separate sets of principles to apply to that.

4142
05:51:25,540 --> 05:51:34,120
And so I had some consternation about that as far as the current proposal as it stands.

4143
05:51:34,460 --> 05:51:43,020
I think there's just too many question marks as far, you know, how do we figure out transportation and utility infrastructure and things like that.

4144
05:51:43,020 --> 05:51:46,780
I'm not comfortable moving forward as this is right now.

4145
05:51:47,200 --> 05:51:52,860
I might be interested in looking more like a PRD type area if we can balance it out with

4146
05:51:52,860 --> 05:51:58,020
if we have some degree of confidence at least for the next several years, some of these other

4147
05:51:58,020 --> 05:52:03,180
areas are not going to be developed so that we don't need to completely redo our utility master

4148
05:52:03,180 --> 05:52:08,280
plans and upgrade our sewer lines and those types of things.

4149
05:52:08,280 --> 05:52:17,040
I did have a couple specific questions, what elementary school boundary is this in this area?

4150
05:52:19,870 --> 05:52:22,010
No, it's cool, but it's probably...

4151
05:52:22,010 --> 05:52:23,090
Right, but...

4152
05:52:23,090 --> 05:52:23,570
Thank you.

4153
05:52:23,630 --> 05:52:24,230
Vineyard elementary.

4154
05:52:26,350 --> 05:52:31,990
How far of a distance would those students be writing the bus to that school?

4155
05:52:32,570 --> 05:52:33,870
My son does.

4156
05:52:37,170 --> 05:52:50,830
And as far as, if somebody, whether there is this project or another one, wanted to develop and we found out that we got to that breaking point where the planned infrastructure was not sufficient to cover that whole area.

4157
05:52:52,090 --> 05:53:00,770
And if it was only, let's say, on the sewer lines, for example, I'm not saying this is the most efficient way of doing it, but is it possible for a developer to say,

4158
05:53:01,490 --> 05:53:07,850
Well, I'm willing to install my own, you know, sewer line to get for our development to

4159
05:53:07,850 --> 05:53:14,330
the the treatment facility. Is that feasible? Or is that, is it just like a non-starter?

4160
05:53:14,570 --> 05:53:15,370
Because it would be off.

4161
05:53:15,370 --> 05:53:19,150
I'd have to probably defer to, I think Sam Kelly's here, our engineer.

4162
05:53:31,840 --> 05:53:38,240
Is this okay? It is on. It's not that they couldn't do that. It's just that it becomes pretty complex

4163
05:53:38,240 --> 05:53:46,660
to have a private sewer system running through our right away and then getting to the plant.

4164
05:53:47,120 --> 05:53:49,200
I mean, it's not that Ryan couldn't do that.

4165
05:53:49,500 --> 05:53:53,860
If he wanted to do that he could, it's just it would be really hard and challenging and we

4166
05:53:53,860 --> 05:53:54,300
just don't know.

4167
05:53:54,300 --> 05:53:58,020
I mean, the only spot that I know that we have some sort of a private system is down

4168
05:53:58,020 --> 05:53:59,320
in the Gold Key area.

4169
05:53:59,320 --> 05:54:13,980
They have a private lift station that actually feeds below 2,000 south there in ties into our main, and it's pretty small, it's only a 2 inch, but if you're talking in this area, it's going to be a much bigger line.

4170
05:54:14,980 --> 05:54:16,080
What about the cost?

4171
05:54:16,860 --> 05:54:28,200
The cost would be a bit. If he'd have to run a gravity line to do his own system all the way down, and he'd have to engineer that to make sure that he could get graded all the way to the plant,

4172
05:54:28,200 --> 05:54:32,380
have to gravity feed it there and put it in his own lift station if you want to do it

4173
05:54:32,380 --> 05:54:37,980
on his own. But that's why I think we're trying to come to this nexus of if this is

4174
05:54:37,980 --> 05:54:42,940
something that we want to do let's move forward and plan for this whole area and take the time

4175
05:54:42,940 --> 05:54:49,460
and plan for it and do it right. I mean the gravity main engineer road is sized to where there is

4176
05:54:49,460 --> 05:54:54,360
extra capacity in the gravity main but our lift stations don't have that right now and that's why

4177
05:54:54,360 --> 05:54:59,960
we'd want to look at that and make sure we just create this equity throughout the world.

4178
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:08,120
The whole area, not just look at this one little spot zone, only to come back three months, six months a year and do the same exact thing.

4179
05:55:08,560 --> 05:55:13,800
It's less about the size of the pipe and more about the, we need to upgrade the lift station.

4180
05:55:14,300 --> 05:55:21,160
Right, because right now, the gravity main that we just installed in Geneva Road has capacity, because we needed to

4181
05:55:21,720 --> 05:55:27,320
in order to have enough flow and lay it at a flat enough grade so we could maximize how far

4182
05:55:27,320 --> 05:55:33,580
we could take that gravity line before the men's cell project could go ahead and lift to that area.

4183
05:55:34,260 --> 05:55:37,880
The area that's along the north part of part, you know, next to that egg,

4184
05:55:37,960 --> 05:55:44,160
recultural easement is undersized, but it's already been identified in our master plan that we need to

4185
05:55:44,160 --> 05:55:46,020
So that's not going to be a problem.

4186
05:55:46,420 --> 05:55:51,420
If we go ahead and do this, the big problem is we have two lift lift stations that probably

4187
05:55:51,420 --> 05:55:56,840
are going to run one-and-a-half to two million dollars by the time it's all said and done

4188
05:55:56,840 --> 05:56:00,640
that are being sized for $2,250 ERUs.

4189
05:56:00,780 --> 05:56:06,280
And if we're looking to go medium density in these areas and increase it by a third or half,

4190
05:56:06,740 --> 05:56:10,660
we kind of need to know that now so we can go ahead and plan that and do that.

4191
05:56:10,660 --> 05:56:18,220
But it's not just that. It's also water. We want to make sure we have enough water capacity. We have enough storage for this area, so

4192
05:56:18,220 --> 05:56:22,280
I mean it's not that we're opposed to this

4193
05:56:23,900 --> 05:56:29,480
Development to happen it's just that we want to plan for it just like I think that was said before we just want to make sure we're planned

4194
05:56:29,480 --> 05:56:30,860
And we have the

4195
05:56:30,860 --> 05:56:40,160
When that that affect your impact fees if you didn't all this we'll sure but you're gonna have more folks and maybe maybe the water's fine

4196
05:56:40,160 --> 05:56:45,220
the sewer is going to be fine. I mean, we went through this when we brought these scenarios

4197
05:56:45,220 --> 05:56:50,300
to you guys, I don't know, three or four years ago, we brought a high low and a medium impact

4198
05:56:50,300 --> 05:56:57,540
fee and densities and the fees themselves. They varied. It wasn't much in the whole scheme of things,

4199
05:56:57,740 --> 05:57:03,000
but there was a huge difference in what needed to happen as far as capacity in lines, capacity

4200
05:57:03,000 --> 05:57:07,700
and lift stations, and then if the treatment plant needed to be upgraded as well.

4201
05:57:09,800 --> 05:57:13,440
So, but we just want to make sure we do it, and we do it, and we do it.

4202
05:57:13,520 --> 05:57:14,400
Councillor Spencer?

4203
05:57:14,900 --> 05:57:15,020
Yes.

4204
05:57:15,420 --> 05:57:15,600
Okay.

4205
05:57:16,980 --> 05:57:17,500
Go ahead.

4206
05:57:17,700 --> 05:57:19,500
Well, I just had a question in our study session.

4207
05:57:20,440 --> 05:57:37,680
I mentioned, you know, this area we annexed it, and my thought process was, if we're truly looking in the future, if these people eventually want to build, even if it's low density housing, do we have the infrastructure to be able to build low density housing in this area?

4208
05:57:37,680 --> 05:57:39,960
And I don't think we do.

4209
05:57:39,960 --> 05:57:41,860
Low density housing this area right now.

4210
05:57:42,260 --> 05:57:44,240
I'm talking about the agriculture

4211
05:57:44,240 --> 05:57:47,940
using it and all the other properties that are here.

4212
05:57:48,300 --> 05:57:53,080
The big parcel there to the west of Geneva Road

4213
05:57:53,080 --> 05:57:56,400
was not part of that, so if they decide to come in,

4214
05:57:56,520 --> 05:57:59,440
it's set one in and develop, that's a whole different story

4215
05:57:59,440 --> 05:58:01,080
because they didn't want to come into the annex.

4216
05:58:01,180 --> 05:58:04,500
Right, so that's what I'm saying, is there something we can do now

4217
05:58:04,500 --> 05:58:11,660
to make sure that we are able to do load density housing in the future in these areas that aren't, we didn't look at.

4218
05:58:12,540 --> 05:58:16,640
So I'm assuming it's cheaper to do it now than later. Sure. Sure.

4219
05:58:17,160 --> 05:58:19,640
Yeah, we could, I mean, and that's all part of that.

4220
05:58:19,680 --> 05:58:25,520
When we master plan this area, we looked at that, we looked at what was going to happen

4221
05:58:26,020 --> 05:58:30,740
and yeah, we could go ahead and re-evaluate and add that component to it as well. That's not a problem.

4222
05:58:30,740 --> 05:58:34,000
I mean, I think it's all about cost, right?

4223
05:58:34,380 --> 05:58:36,320
So what is it in the cost is now, if we do that,

4224
05:58:36,420 --> 05:58:40,340
let's say we have to do our listation to whatever.

4225
05:58:41,560 --> 05:58:42,380
Bigger size, whatever.

4226
05:58:42,760 --> 05:58:48,200
What is that going to cost now compared to say in the future?

4227
05:58:50,100 --> 05:58:51,680
And I don't know how big we're, I mean,

4228
05:58:51,980 --> 05:58:53,680
I don't know how many units we're talking here

4229
05:58:53,680 --> 05:58:54,800
if it ever did happen.

4230
05:58:55,320 --> 05:58:57,420
But, right, and that's hard to speculate,

4231
05:58:57,560 --> 05:59:00,160
because I don't know, I mean, right, right, right,

4232
05:59:00,160 --> 05:59:05,540
the way it stands, that property is probably going to develop at least for another 10-15-20

4233
05:59:05,540 --> 05:59:12,040
years or for who knows. So I mean, if it finally does develop in 50 years, I mean, it could

4234
05:59:12,040 --> 05:59:17,060
be triple what the cost is now. I mean, you could try and do some math and estimate and add

4235
05:59:17,060 --> 05:59:23,360
three years of inflation for 50 years and speculated, but yeah, the time to do it and be

4236
05:59:23,360 --> 05:59:28,540
most cost effective, yes, what would be to do it now. The risk you run, though, with some of

4237
05:59:28,540 --> 05:59:34,420
is you don't want your infrastructure to be too big to where it actually becomes somewhat of a maintenance problem.

4238
05:59:35,600 --> 05:59:41,380
So in all reality it might not be a bad idea to have it designed and we know it's going to happen.

4239
05:59:42,300 --> 05:59:50,880
But I mean with sewerage you need to have it's probably a little bit more info than you want to know, but you have to have at least a minimum of two feet per second of velocity.

4240
05:59:51,460 --> 05:59:57,720
Because if you don't then solid start to settle out and then you have maintenance issues and you have to clean it and flush it.

4241
05:59:58,340 --> 05:59:59,960
So, in case if we wanted to do this,

4242
06:00:01,720 --> 06:00:15,400
And it's going to be a medium density. We had to say a 60 inch pipe. It may not flow fat. We may not have enough flow to move it and actually becomes more of an issue. So I guess I don't know if I answered your question.

4243
06:00:15,760 --> 06:00:16,080
I doubt it is.

4244
06:00:16,080 --> 06:00:17,420
My thing is that now is a deeper.

4245
06:00:17,740 --> 06:00:23,080
If we're looking to the future and if we're going to do it right the first time, I would like to do it right the first time.

4246
06:00:24,040 --> 06:00:24,280
Thanks.

4247
06:00:24,280 --> 06:00:25,980
I'm sorry, Mr. Houston.

4248
06:00:26,520 --> 06:00:30,240
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we looked at the future. We build a master plan.

4249
06:00:30,880 --> 06:00:32,540
Did we not do it right the first time?

4250
06:00:33,040 --> 06:00:38,680
Do we not have the adequate capacity based on the master plan for this area now?

4251
06:00:38,980 --> 06:00:39,500
Right now.

4252
06:00:40,820 --> 06:00:43,360
So David, we did it right the first time.

4253
06:00:43,600 --> 06:00:45,900
I'm sorry, but we didn't include certain areas it could have.

4254
06:00:45,900 --> 06:00:50,760
We didn't because they made a commitment that they have no intention of developing that land.

4255
06:00:50,760 --> 06:00:53,860
They are going to commit it that they would do it themselves if they ever want it.

4256
06:00:54,260 --> 06:00:59,960
And furthermore, when you're thinking about saying, well, we need to think about this people,

4257
06:01:00,380 --> 06:01:04,700
the people you're making pay for that development are these people that on the land down here.

4258
06:01:05,100 --> 06:01:10,000
And we're going to make you pay the development, yes, because that's what this proposal is,

4259
06:01:10,180 --> 06:01:15,340
is to change those development fees, and those development fees affect all of the landowner.

4260
06:01:15,360 --> 06:01:19,620
I was asking to see what it would cost to do this.

4261
06:01:19,620 --> 06:01:26,020
But to me, it doesn't matter because why do I want to have them pay for something that has nothing to do with them down the road?

4262
06:01:27,260 --> 06:01:31,060
Because no matter what it costs, they've got to pay for it.

4263
06:01:31,340 --> 06:01:32,400
I think everybody has to pay for it.

4264
06:01:32,420 --> 06:01:33,260
That's my point.

4265
06:01:33,600 --> 06:01:35,760
And everybody here is saying, wait a minute.

4266
06:01:36,680 --> 06:01:39,240
They have no intention of building or developing that.

4267
06:01:39,240 --> 06:01:41,880
That's why the master plan was set the way it was.

4268
06:01:42,360 --> 06:01:44,380
I think Sam wants to be able to see some.

4269
06:01:44,380 --> 06:01:52,400
And I think just stepping back from the specifics of this particular property, and I talked about this a couple months ago,

4270
06:01:53,660 --> 06:01:58,380
one of our key areas of focus as a city council this year was housing affordability.

4271
06:01:58,860 --> 06:02:05,720
We kind of started with affordable housing, and I objected to that phrasing simply because when you say the phrase,

4272
06:02:05,840 --> 06:02:11,020
affordable housing, people envision a giant apartment complex where, you know, you have cheap apartments.

4273
06:02:11,020 --> 06:02:18,200
And I don't think that was at all the intent that our city council had, but rather how do we make it affordable for people to live in Oram?

4274
06:02:18,700 --> 06:02:22,920
And that covers people on a broad spectrum whether they're running, they're trying to get a starter home.

4275
06:02:24,300 --> 06:02:30,880
And if you go back to December of 2016, there was a development called Oram Orchards, right by Oram Elementary,

4276
06:02:31,940 --> 06:02:39,740
where they were proposing to do a reason where it was still single family homes, but it was just a little bit more dense.

4277
06:02:39,740 --> 06:02:44,820
And it wasn't really that much smaller than my own lot where we have our house.

4278
06:02:45,680 --> 06:02:50,600
And I think they were the only two that voted for it because most thought that that was two

4279
06:02:50,600 --> 06:02:56,060
dense to have single family homes in this neighborhood across from an elementary school.

4280
06:02:56,300 --> 06:02:58,640
Whereas in my mind, that made perfect sense.

4281
06:02:58,800 --> 06:03:00,900
And so as a result, the zoning stayed the same.

4282
06:03:01,040 --> 06:03:04,440
They still developed it for homes, but then those homes were much more expensive.

4283
06:03:05,120 --> 06:03:08,540
And you couldn't have as many families living right next to their elementary school.

4284
06:03:11,320 --> 06:03:33,420
I'm not saying it was a bad development, I'm just saying if we believe that housing affordability is literally one of our top four priorities as a city council these are those moments where we have the opportunity to make that happen and again I'm not necessarily saying that this specific proposal is you know shovel ready and we should run with it.

4285
06:03:33,420 --> 06:03:40,240
But the PRD, for example, in my mind, if we can make the numbers still balance out where

4286
06:03:40,240 --> 06:03:45,920
if we have these areas that we believe that for the foreseeable future, they're not going

4287
06:03:45,920 --> 06:03:50,940
to be developed and that means that we have single family homes that get developed where

4288
06:03:50,940 --> 06:03:54,780
people can actually buy them and own them to take care of the property.

4289
06:03:54,960 --> 06:04:00,400
I think that's part of what we're missing is that middle ground on that housing spectrum,

4290
06:04:01,320 --> 06:04:10,700
It's either one of these giant mansions or cheap apartments, but that middle ground, in my mind that's where we can most importantly focus our attention as a city council.

4291
06:04:11,060 --> 06:04:18,520
How do we help people get into that starter home so that they can start building equity and building wealth as an individual or as a family?

4292
06:04:19,700 --> 06:04:26,420
In my mind that's what creates long-term housing affordability rather than just trying to get into a cheap apartment right off the bat.

4293
06:04:26,420 --> 06:04:31,020
So, I'm not comfortable with the proposal as it currently stands,

4294
06:04:31,520 --> 06:04:36,580
but if we want to continue it or just kind of pursue that PRD option in my mind,

4295
06:04:36,760 --> 06:04:39,300
that might be a better way to define compromise.

4296
06:04:41,040 --> 06:04:42,860
Okay, any other comments from the council?

4297
06:04:43,980 --> 06:04:45,860
I am also interested in the PRD idea.

4298
06:04:47,180 --> 06:04:49,120
I know what we did with Backster Gardens.

4299
06:04:49,280 --> 06:04:53,360
I thought there was a lot of good neighborhood input and the compromises,

4300
06:04:53,360 --> 06:04:58,140
good so and it fit really nice in a single family area so I'm interested in the

4301
06:04:58,140 --> 06:04:59,960
PRD. I hope that took a...

4302
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:29,560
Compromise for the townhouse and more of a twin-home looking sort of thing. I mean, I'm comfortable with that, look and fail. I know it's 7 to the unit, but you said to the acre, I mean. So, be looking at, as you said, you said 4.3 and go to 7, that's about 2.7 more homes, almost 3 more homes. And over 16 acres, I would be about 43 more homes. So, I guess my question is, this 43 homes mean we have to rewrite all of it. Is there enough?

4303
06:05:30,000 --> 06:05:35,460
Is there enough in the area to pass that capacity wise or do we have to rewrite everything?

4304
06:05:36,920 --> 06:05:39,240
So the answer is probably yes, but the question is then

4305
06:05:40,220 --> 06:05:45,420
The rest of the properties and you got the neighboring property and the neighboring property and the other property

4306
06:05:45,420 --> 06:05:52,240
It's not just one development here. You're looking at it's the entire area. I guess if that's the direction that the council wants to go

4307
06:05:52,240 --> 06:05:54,740
Then we just need to know that so that we can adjust our numbers

4308
06:05:57,800 --> 06:06:03,760
I think we're, and it's been mentioned before, we're starting to pick and choose who and

4309
06:06:03,760 --> 06:06:09,180
what area is against the higher density than what is already proposed in the vision.

4310
06:06:11,640 --> 06:06:19,700
And one of my, I go back to the traffic, 2200 cars, whatever it was coming out of there.

4311
06:06:19,700 --> 06:06:25,440
And we're already in a nightmare of traffic problems, and there's a lot of ifs to correct

4312
06:06:25,440 --> 06:06:26,000
that.

4313
06:06:26,000 --> 06:06:29,540
And I don't think the developer has any answers on it.

4314
06:06:29,880 --> 06:06:39,360
And you knew what your pan, what this was zoned when you bought it, and it's been zoned

4315
06:06:39,360 --> 06:06:47,360
is the vision from 2015 or whatever it was, you know, we went to a lot of expense and a lot

4316
06:06:47,360 --> 06:06:57,500
of money and to redo that. I don't think the developer wants to pay for all that, you know,

4317
06:06:57,860 --> 06:07:05,000
the utility service study again and traffic studies and all that. I'm just comfortable with

4318
06:07:05,000 --> 06:07:12,900
it is now and you know as far as the agricultural easement they had an opportunity to come

4319
06:07:12,900 --> 06:07:20,560
into this and they they I remember they denied it and they just wasn't even questionable

4320
06:07:20,560 --> 06:07:28,580
on that so I'm comfortable with denying this request at a motion any no I'd like to make some

4321
06:07:28,580 --> 06:07:32,980
comments you okay with that okay you're meeting

4322
06:07:34,900 --> 06:07:42,800
So, I'd just like to go back to when this all started, when Ryan, and I appreciate what

4323
06:07:42,800 --> 06:07:48,200
you did, Ryan, when you were looking at putting apartments where the Wilkinson farm was,

4324
06:07:48,940 --> 06:07:54,660
and man-cell came in a little bit later, and we looked at the apartments, didn't really

4325
06:07:54,660 --> 06:08:00,540
like the idea of a whole bunch of apartments there, but we did like the idea of multifamily

4326
06:08:00,540 --> 06:08:07,160
homes available to buy, which is what man's cell is selling right there.

4327
06:08:08,520 --> 06:08:13,780
But also as a city, we looked at the cost of infrastructure.

4328
06:08:14,220 --> 06:08:15,420
It was about $8 million.

4329
06:08:16,440 --> 06:08:23,400
And we made a conscious decision that we did not want to take the risk as a city to invest

4330
06:08:23,400 --> 06:08:32,160
eight million dollars and then see if we could sell lots and so forth or see lots sold where

4331
06:08:32,160 --> 06:08:38,300
we could get our money back and I remember that was a big risk and we told Mansell and I

4332
06:08:38,300 --> 06:08:46,520
think we told you as well to go back and we would consider annexing this property in if in fact

4333
06:08:46,520 --> 06:08:53,320
the developers took the risk for the infrastructure and not the city and so that's what we did

4334
06:08:53,320 --> 06:08:57,780
And Mansell came back and said, yes, I will go ahead and take that risk.

4335
06:08:58,380 --> 06:08:59,860
I will pay that $8 million.

4336
06:09:01,000 --> 06:09:04,220
And then you will go ahead and do the impact fees.

4337
06:09:04,620 --> 06:09:08,000
And I will receive the money back from the impact fees

4338
06:09:08,000 --> 06:09:10,540
to pay my part of the development.

4339
06:09:11,260 --> 06:09:17,740
But this whole annexation was predicated upon the developer

4340
06:09:17,740 --> 06:09:21,260
actually taking the risk for the infrastructure.

4341
06:09:21,260 --> 06:09:29,280
And so we developed this as low density, we could have developed it as high density, and we

4342
06:09:29,280 --> 06:09:34,160
could have made the infrastructure much bigger, and the cost would have been much greater,

4343
06:09:34,560 --> 06:09:39,560
and I don't believe man's cell would have funded it, and we weren't willing to fund it.

4344
06:09:40,400 --> 06:09:49,820
So I think we went down a path that we're looking at what could be afforded, and who would pay

4345
06:09:49,820 --> 06:09:57,120
and who was take the risk and who is willing to put all that together and that's the path that we've gone down.

4346
06:09:58,160 --> 06:09:59,960
And so we're now in the middle.

4347
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:15,600
And saying, do we now want to change that path and do something different? And again, if we did that, we would have a lot of expense on our part, and we would take a lot of risk on our part to for all the infrastructure.

4348
06:10:16,560 --> 06:10:28,600
So I feel like the path we started down, you know, it could have been a different path. We could have gone high density everywhere, put in a lot of infrastructure, taking a lot of risk.

4349
06:10:28,600 --> 06:10:36,500
But we chose not to, and I feel like to change course now is not a good idea.

4350
06:10:36,560 --> 06:10:39,520
I feel like we're going in this particular area.

4351
06:10:39,680 --> 06:10:46,040
We're going down a course that made sense, and I think that we should stay the course.

4352
06:10:47,040 --> 06:10:47,940
Concentment relance.

4353
06:10:48,620 --> 06:10:53,160
I have a hunch what motion Mark's going to make, and I'll probably vote in favor of it.

4354
06:10:53,200 --> 06:10:58,060
But before we proceed with that, I'm just curious, the PRD concept is that something that

4355
06:10:58,060 --> 06:11:02,960
Council is willing to pursue, or is it just dead in the water, stick to what we have?

4356
06:11:05,010 --> 06:11:05,890
I'm not willing.

4357
06:11:07,150 --> 06:11:08,390
You're the swing vote.

4358
06:11:09,450 --> 06:11:10,230
If you can unmute.

4359
06:11:13,160 --> 06:11:14,900
Tom, you're awake, or sleep.

4360
06:11:14,900 --> 06:11:15,620
It's a topic.

4361
06:11:16,420 --> 06:11:17,220
Repeat the comments.

4362
06:11:17,380 --> 06:11:18,200
I didn't hear you.

4363
06:11:18,300 --> 06:11:26,320
So the question was, if we vote no on this proposal today, would you be interested in pursuing a PRD

4364
06:11:26,320 --> 06:11:33,180
concepts, at this site, if we can do that without having to change all of our, you know,

4365
06:11:33,500 --> 06:11:36,920
utility master plan and all those kinds of, in other words, if we assume that the

4366
06:11:36,920 --> 06:11:41,940
Wilkerson farm or some of those other areas are indeed not going to develop, and the

4367
06:11:41,940 --> 06:11:48,200
PRD concepts works within the existing utility master plan, would you be comfortable pursuing

4368
06:11:48,200 --> 06:11:49,240
that PRD option?

4369
06:11:51,120 --> 06:11:55,740
Yeah, I think you say comfortable exploring, and frankly, if those others are developing

4370
06:11:55,740 --> 06:12:01,260
they be allocated fairway among all my own owners, but yeah, I mean at this point I'm not

4371
06:12:01,260 --> 06:12:06,320
in favor of what's being presented, but yeah, what's behind the door number two I don't

4372
06:12:06,320 --> 06:12:07,940
know but I'd be happy to explore.

4373
06:12:08,420 --> 06:12:08,960
Okay, that's all.

4374
06:12:09,100 --> 06:12:16,940
It is important, I think, for all of us to realize what Jason has brought up is that we don't

4375
06:12:16,940 --> 06:12:24,080
know what these properties are going to do, and we change this to medium density, they may

4376
06:12:24,080 --> 06:12:30,360
want to all change to medium density, and a bunch of them may want to come in and be part of

4377
06:12:30,360 --> 06:12:35,100
this, in which case our infrastructure is not big enough.

4378
06:12:36,280 --> 06:12:44,500
So I think that's really important to understand that we're either going to have to update

4379
06:12:44,500 --> 06:12:50,780
and upgrade all of our infrastructure, and somebody's going to have to pay for it to do this,

4380
06:12:50,780 --> 06:12:56,120
we don't know the cost of that yet or else we're going to have to stay the way we are.

4381
06:12:56,600 --> 06:13:00,640
But that's that's still a big what if to assume that it is a what if people

4382
06:13:00,640 --> 06:13:07,180
to acquire that they acquire this property specifically to keep it as farmland if we're

4383
06:13:07,180 --> 06:13:12,100
building our plan around well when they develop it it just doesn't I don't understand

4384
06:13:12,100 --> 06:13:12,860
that logic.

4385
06:13:13,820 --> 06:13:14,860
Maybe do you have a comment?

4386
06:13:15,480 --> 06:13:20,760
Yeah just had a comment Mayor just with regard to if in fact some of these

4387
06:13:20,760 --> 06:13:26,180
facilities do have to be upgraded, in particular most likely the sewer lift station would

4388
06:13:26,180 --> 06:13:26,960
have to be upgraded.

4389
06:13:28,220 --> 06:13:32,380
That's something similar to what we did with Mr. Mansell and his development, if the developer

4390
06:13:32,380 --> 06:13:36,740
was willing, we could enter into some sort of agreement with him that he would basically

4391
06:13:36,740 --> 06:13:41,820
front that cost and then he could potentially be reimbursed through the impact fees we collected

4392
06:13:41,820 --> 06:13:42,080
those.

4393
06:13:42,200 --> 06:13:48,300
The question is, say Ryan's willing to do that, so you do that, but then all of a sudden

4394
06:13:48,300 --> 06:13:57,460
Peterson says, well, I want to jump in and Brian Taylor says, I want to jump in and I understand.

4395
06:13:57,780 --> 06:14:00,340
I'm just saying, and you may not live forever.

4396
06:14:00,540 --> 06:14:04,760
Somebody might live after you that says, I want to jump in and

4397
06:14:07,800 --> 06:14:09,300
I understand that.

4398
06:14:09,300 --> 06:14:12,960
I'm just talking about your five acres, okay?

4399
06:14:13,300 --> 06:14:20,000
You might have a child who lives beyond year, years and they may want to develop the five acres.

4400
06:14:25,260 --> 06:14:31,300
Okay fine. So all I'm saying is, we don't know what's going to happen. So what happens

4401
06:14:31,300 --> 06:14:36,800
if Ryan upgrades everything for him, but then all of a sudden you've got another

4402
06:14:37,340 --> 06:14:42,380
twenty acres that want to come online, and then are they going to upgrade, have to upgrade again?

4403
06:14:42,960 --> 06:14:48,420
Well, you know, probably this is a question for Sam or Neil, but I would expect that we wouldn't do an upgrade

4404
06:14:48,420 --> 06:14:50,440
that would only served his additional units.

4405
06:14:50,440 --> 06:14:55,820
So then the question is, is Ryan going to pay for the upgrade for all the possibilities that

4406
06:14:55,820 --> 06:14:56,340
are out there?

4407
06:14:56,840 --> 06:14:59,960
And does that pencil, or does that problem?

4408
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:07,140
That would be up to him to determine, we would obviously have to determine what that cost, say we want to

4409
06:15:07,140 --> 06:15:13,100
increase the capacity of the lift station by 50 percent. You know, which would handle much more than

4410
06:15:13,100 --> 06:15:13,820
just his development.

4411
06:15:13,900 --> 06:15:20,140
I mean, I think you need to realize we're going down the road of low density. If we want to

4412
06:15:20,140 --> 06:15:29,980
go down the road of medium or high density, you have to prepare and have a plan to pay for all the

4413
06:15:30,420 --> 06:15:36,220
available. And then if you're going to put that all on Brian's back, maybe he's got all that money

4414
06:15:36,220 --> 06:15:41,940
to pay for that, but maybe he doesn't. But I don't know if we as a Bitty want to. We made the decision

4415
06:15:41,940 --> 06:15:46,540
before that we were not going to take that risk. Right. And that's sort of similar to what Mr.

4416
06:15:46,600 --> 06:15:52,080
Mansell did. I mean, he fronted millions of dollars in capacity. He took the risk. He took the risk.

4417
06:15:52,540 --> 06:15:57,180
And it wasn't just to serve, you know, capacity for his development, but it was to serve capacity

4418
06:15:57,180 --> 06:16:03,540
for the entire area, it would be sort of similar, you know, Mr. McDougall, if we went down

4419
06:16:03,540 --> 06:16:08,260
this road, I would expect we would anticipate him to front the entire cost of, say, upgrading

4420
06:16:08,260 --> 06:16:13,220
the list that's listed by, for example, 50 percent for his property, for Peterson,

4421
06:16:13,280 --> 06:16:18,560
everybody else, for Taylor's property, for Devo's property, all the way down the line.

4422
06:16:19,080 --> 06:16:23,300
I'm just saying if that were the way it would happen, if that's the direction the council wanted

4423
06:16:23,300 --> 06:16:26,920
to go, that's how I would anticipate it would be paid for.

4424
06:16:27,180 --> 06:16:28,420
Jamie, do you have a comment?

4425
06:16:28,820 --> 06:16:33,520
And I think, Mayor and Council, that that would need to be initiated by way of another general

4426
06:16:33,520 --> 06:16:34,260
plan amendment.

4427
06:16:35,280 --> 06:16:40,940
So there would be a process that we would go through even an advance of, for example, running

4428
06:16:40,940 --> 06:16:45,780
the numbers, we would go through a process of going through public hearings with both the

4429
06:16:45,780 --> 06:16:47,720
planning commission and the City Council again.

4430
06:16:47,740 --> 06:16:49,020
Well, you're changing course.

4431
06:16:50,120 --> 06:16:54,340
You're stopping everything we've been doing, we're saying now we're going to do something

4432
06:16:54,340 --> 06:16:54,800
different.

4433
06:16:54,800 --> 06:17:14,900
So, the reason I say that is I would anticipate that that process would probably take 12 months to get everything from where we are if the decision was made to proceed with the change of course to actually.

4434
06:17:14,960 --> 06:17:20,840
And that's really what we're talking about. We're talking about a change of course for this whole area.

4435
06:17:20,840 --> 06:17:24,700
So, you're really doing what we did in 2015, basically?

4436
06:17:25,520 --> 06:17:26,560
You're starting over.

4437
06:17:27,200 --> 06:17:27,480
All over.

4438
06:17:28,580 --> 06:17:29,920
So, Debbie, I think.

4439
06:17:30,740 --> 06:17:33,080
What I asked is a PRD considered low density.

4440
06:17:33,220 --> 06:17:34,140
I thought you said yes.

4441
06:17:35,620 --> 06:17:39,520
It is, but the IFP was specifically designed at 4.3.

4442
06:17:40,140 --> 06:17:42,320
So, I'm not interested in going to medium or high density here.

4443
06:17:42,500 --> 06:17:45,380
I'm trying to find a way to kind of compromise.

4444
06:17:45,720 --> 06:17:50,180
But I think the PRD within our existing zoning structure

4445
06:17:50,180 --> 06:17:55,580
can include up to eight units. Correct. So the infrastructure would need to be

4446
06:17:55,580 --> 06:18:00,500
sized, not to four or five, it would be sized to up to eight. If these people

4447
06:18:00,500 --> 06:18:04,800
want to join in, you've just doubled the capacity for all of that? You said

4448
06:18:04,800 --> 06:18:08,460
seven unless there was a structure on the house. Well, the difference between

4449
06:18:08,460 --> 06:18:13,180
city and this specific location is that this was designed and annexed at a

4450
06:18:13,180 --> 06:18:18,960
specific density allocation, which was 4.3. Other city areas, there is that

4451
06:18:18,960 --> 06:18:23,680
that specificity. This one was designed specifically for that 4.3 and everything around it was

4452
06:18:23,680 --> 06:18:27,520
just. I'm not interested in high density or medium density. I'm interested in some little bump

4453
06:18:27,520 --> 06:18:30,520
up in this load density. That's all I'm interested in. I'm not already discussing.

4454
06:18:31,600 --> 06:18:34,980
But that's what we're. That's what I asked. That's what I asked. That's what I'm understanding.

4455
06:18:35,280 --> 06:18:40,260
Well that's hold on. We have Mark Street Strand first and then it's Sam.

4456
06:18:42,290 --> 06:18:42,910
I was just going to

4457
06:18:42,910 --> 06:18:48,970
come in on something that I was taken so I'm fine. Okay. I think it's also just worth pointing out

4458
06:18:48,970 --> 06:18:53,470
if we're talking about developing more units on this property, that means they're paying

4459
06:18:53,470 --> 06:19:00,730
more impact fees. And so it's as if we're imagining this fixed pie of impact fees that are

4460
06:19:00,730 --> 06:19:07,890
coming in to address this growing cost. But if, you know, Peterson came in and wanted to develop

4461
06:19:07,890 --> 06:19:13,930
for example, it's per unit, right? So we would have more impact fees coming in. Yes, but the costs

4462
06:19:13,930 --> 06:19:21,710
It's not linear, there is a difference in, for example, sizing a eight inch line versus a

4463
06:19:21,710 --> 06:19:27,150
12 versus a 16 or whatever, and I'm looking for Sam, and he's not in his head.

4464
06:19:27,710 --> 06:19:30,010
8-12 and 16 are good sizes for pipelines?

4465
06:19:30,870 --> 06:19:37,990
But my point is, if we can, I guess, make the numbers pencil on the PRD for this specific

4466
06:19:37,990 --> 06:19:42,950
property, and somebody else, again, we're speaking about hypotheticals and putting words

4467
06:19:42,950 --> 06:19:47,810
in people's mouth, many of whom clearly do not want to develop their land in that way.

4468
06:19:50,630 --> 06:19:56,030
We wouldn't be such a disaster as I think what we're making it out to be.

4469
06:19:56,390 --> 06:19:59,770
And I'm not saying it wouldn't be a lot of work and there wouldn't be cost associated with that.

4470
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:07,360
But there would be more impact fees, even at the current level of impact fees, there would still be more fees to help address that.

4471
06:20:08,960 --> 06:20:20,460
But if I may, for example, we're in the process now of building a lift station to accommodate the current densities that were approved as part of this whole annexation area.

4472
06:20:20,460 --> 06:20:27,800
So, if we move to something different, we can't just, for example, increase the capacity

4473
06:20:27,800 --> 06:20:31,580
of the liftation we have to build an additional liftation.

4474
06:20:31,880 --> 06:20:39,280
And so, those are the kind of conversations that we would need to have, or we can't,

4475
06:20:39,400 --> 06:20:41,740
we may need to add additional infrastructure.

4476
06:20:42,080 --> 06:20:47,840
We can't accommodate the pipes don't have sufficient capacity to accommodate some of what

4477
06:20:47,840 --> 06:20:52,280
we're talking about, so we need to upsized those pipes or add additional pipes.

4478
06:20:52,900 --> 06:20:57,480
This doesn't even speak to the work that we potentially, we would need to do, for example,

4479
06:20:57,960 --> 06:21:04,860
as related to sewer at the treatment plant, where we potentially would need to increase

4480
06:21:04,860 --> 06:21:08,460
capacity to accommodate the additional flows that would result.

4481
06:21:09,800 --> 06:21:17,040
I mean, it's kind of a big puzzle that you can't look at one piece independent from

4482
06:21:17,040 --> 06:21:23,720
other and that's why we need that time, for example, to update those master plans and the capital

4483
06:21:23,720 --> 06:21:28,880
plans and the impact fees. If we're talking about taking this one property which was planned

4484
06:21:28,880 --> 06:21:36,640
at 4 or 4.3 units per acre, you don't need all of the other properties to play along. You could

4485
06:21:36,640 --> 06:21:41,460
have one of the, like, it could be Wilgerson or it could be Taylor or it could be AC.

4486
06:21:45,940 --> 06:21:47,020
If they don't

4487
06:21:47,020 --> 06:21:49,580
I think then there's the argument that can be made

4488
06:21:49,580 --> 06:21:51,940
that you as a counselor picking winners and losers.

4489
06:21:52,260 --> 06:21:54,840
But they did that four years ago with the blue area.

4490
06:21:55,020 --> 06:21:56,580
And I realized he took the risk,

4491
06:21:57,300 --> 06:22:00,280
but we already have high density in that area.

4492
06:22:00,700 --> 06:22:01,760
So it's already been done with that.

4493
06:22:01,780 --> 06:22:03,280
Wasn't picking a winner or a loser,

4494
06:22:03,480 --> 06:22:06,500
he was willing to fund it, and we went ahead with it.

4495
06:22:06,720 --> 06:22:08,080
Nobody else was willing to fund it.

4496
06:22:08,080 --> 06:22:10,700
But nobody else has, I was to develop density.

4497
06:22:11,620 --> 06:22:12,100
And it isn't.

4498
06:22:12,100 --> 06:22:13,760
And he was willing to do the same thing.

4499
06:22:13,760 --> 06:22:17,140
It's a six, but he was willing to sell versus rent.

4500
06:22:17,360 --> 06:22:18,560
I was selling, well.

4501
06:22:18,960 --> 06:22:23,040
Okay, well at the time, it was just rental versus sell.

4502
06:22:23,380 --> 06:22:25,580
It was, it was, it was for sell as well.

4503
06:22:27,290 --> 06:22:28,630
They were town homes, they weren't up there.

4504
06:22:28,750 --> 06:22:30,950
We were happy to pull the minutes.

4505
06:22:31,950 --> 06:22:34,150
The man's help piece is medium density, by the way, it's not high.

4506
06:22:34,150 --> 06:22:35,130
Medium density, okay.

4507
06:22:35,490 --> 06:22:36,930
Now it's normal, Spencer has a comment.

4508
06:22:37,290 --> 06:22:38,430
That's a question for Ryan.

4509
06:22:40,090 --> 06:22:42,610
So, I'd be, that's basically, if it went PRD,

4510
06:22:42,610 --> 06:22:43,990
And you can do seven units.

4511
06:22:44,350 --> 06:22:46,070
Is that pencil for you?

4512
06:22:46,410 --> 06:22:47,530
Yeah, but it did bezel.

4513
06:22:47,990 --> 06:22:50,570
And at $300,000, it would be the starting point for a home.

4514
06:22:50,670 --> 06:22:52,550
That's what our builder's telling us.

4515
06:22:52,810 --> 06:22:53,870
We've been working with Century Helms.

4516
06:22:54,070 --> 06:22:56,190
That's what they say that these homes start at.

4517
06:22:56,990 --> 06:22:59,270
And I would also just like to add,

4518
06:23:00,070 --> 06:23:03,290
when the impact fee study was done five years ago,

4519
06:23:04,030 --> 06:23:06,890
that impact fee study included low density, medium density,

4520
06:23:06,890 --> 06:23:07,650
and high density.

4521
06:23:08,330 --> 06:23:10,730
So that study already has been done.

4522
06:23:11,510 --> 06:23:15,770
So we're going off of right now, low density impact fees.

4523
06:23:16,570 --> 06:23:21,550
So if that impact fee hasn't changed in five years, which is what we would be paying

4524
06:23:21,550 --> 06:23:24,850
if we develop now, then why has the medium density or the high density change?

4525
06:23:24,850 --> 06:23:26,110
Why does that have to be re-done?

4526
06:23:26,250 --> 06:23:27,270
I guess would be my question.

4527
06:23:27,710 --> 06:23:28,870
Because it's already been done.

4528
06:23:32,380 --> 06:23:34,860
But why do we not have to redo it for the low density?

4529
06:23:35,180 --> 06:23:35,920
I guess is my question.

4530
06:23:38,020 --> 06:23:41,020
So if we were to develop right now at 4.

4531
06:23:41,020 --> 06:23:47,680
point, whatever units of the acre, we can't go, we can't use that, so really, the impact

4532
06:23:47,680 --> 06:23:49,340
of the study has to be done regardless of what we know.

4533
06:23:49,500 --> 06:23:55,960
We have a requirement to update that study, however, if we were to transition to a higher

4534
06:23:55,960 --> 06:24:02,340
density sooner, then that would trigger a need to update the impact of the study sooner

4535
06:24:02,340 --> 06:24:08,480
rather than at the required timing, which would put us out because of five or six years.

4536
06:24:08,480 --> 06:24:09,280
Okay,

4537
06:24:11,530 --> 06:24:15,310
I guess I don't understand why it expires for the medium and the high and not

4538
06:24:15,310 --> 06:24:19,970
You need to ask the legislature because they're the ones that put the requirements in place

4539
06:24:26,280 --> 06:24:26,780
Go ahead.

4540
06:24:26,880 --> 06:24:28,480
I guess one more question.

4541
06:24:28,680 --> 06:24:31,040
Sir, is anybody know off hand?

4542
06:24:31,040 --> 06:24:35,740
I know this is four years ago, how much the impact, like how much higher it was for the medium

4543
06:24:35,740 --> 06:24:36,200
residential?

4544
06:24:37,180 --> 06:24:38,700
For example, it's lower.

4545
06:24:39,000 --> 06:24:44,680
The views were lower because there were more units to spread those costs around, so under a higher

4546
06:24:44,680 --> 06:24:47,180
and see scenario the impact these are typically lower.

4547
06:24:51,780 --> 06:24:53,000
Okay Mark, do you want to make a motion?

4548
06:24:54,280 --> 06:24:59,820
Yeah, based on my feelings that when we did the annexation request.

4549
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:09,920
And we had many neighbors and property owners come to the process of being annexed into forum. We came out with a master plan that I felt was adopted in the grid.

4550
06:25:10,160 --> 06:25:15,760
We set forward on a pathway that allowed us to implement to that master plan.

4551
06:25:16,240 --> 06:25:19,760
I think this was said, but it's a different trajectory.

4552
06:25:20,240 --> 06:25:27,800
And I think it's in conflict with what was discussed in the grid with the annexation as well as with the current plan that we're on.

4553
06:25:27,800 --> 06:25:30,400
I would move to deny the request.

4554
06:25:31,380 --> 06:25:32,060
Second.

4555
06:25:33,280 --> 06:25:33,620
Okay.

4556
06:25:34,620 --> 06:25:36,580
Start with the councilmember Lens.

4557
06:25:39,830 --> 06:25:40,150
Aye.

4558
06:25:41,030 --> 06:25:41,710
Aye.

4559
06:25:42,690 --> 06:25:42,910
Aye.

4560
06:25:43,650 --> 06:25:43,750
Aye.

4561
06:25:44,770 --> 06:25:45,050
Aye.

4562
06:25:45,050 --> 06:25:45,510
Okay, Tom.

4563
06:25:49,870 --> 06:25:50,090
All right.

4564
06:25:50,910 --> 06:25:53,610
So the ordinance is request is denied.

4565
06:25:55,070 --> 06:25:56,130
And thank you Ryan.

4566
06:25:56,310 --> 06:25:56,610
Thank you.

4567
06:25:56,610 --> 06:25:58,030
It was a general plan change.

4568
06:25:58,290 --> 06:26:00,410
The request was not an ordinance.

4569
06:26:00,410 --> 06:26:01,930
I'm sorry, General Plan.

4570
06:26:02,150 --> 06:26:03,850
Okay, thank you.

4571
06:26:03,890 --> 06:26:05,270
All right, thank you.

4572
06:26:05,330 --> 06:26:06,070
Thank you.

4573
06:26:06,530 --> 06:26:07,910
Jamie, do you have any items?

4574
06:26:09,130 --> 06:26:12,930
Okay, we do have a birth date of coming up, which is David Spencer.

4575
06:26:13,150 --> 06:26:17,190
So we are going to adjourn to Room 107.

4576
06:26:18,230 --> 06:26:20,750
I would take a motion for adjournment.

4577
06:26:20,910 --> 06:26:21,330
The move.

4578
06:26:21,670 --> 06:26:22,370
Is there a second?

4579
06:26:22,530 --> 06:26:22,890
Second.

4580
06:26:23,370 --> 06:26:24,750
Okay, I'll in favor say aye.

4581
06:26:24,930 --> 06:26:25,210
Aye.

4582
06:26:25,650 --> 06:26:27,310
Okay, we are adjourned.

4583
06:26:31,750 --> 06:26:31,990
Leo?

4584
06:26:33,130 --> 06:26:33,650
Can you come here?