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turn it over to uh Carlo in our IT

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» Thank you, Mayor Council. Um pleas to be

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here today. I guess I'm first. So, I'll

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dive right in. Um so, a lot of you, it's

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not all of you, lot some of you new to

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ORM. So, I just thought it'd be good to

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go over the ecosystem of it and and

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pertains to ORM. Um, people don't

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understand like why I'm IT and yet McKay

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and Sarah are also of IT and Steve are

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IT. It's because aggregate we are it but

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I'm part of the operations and there

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Steve's product policy and compliance

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end of it and then Sarah software

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development. So

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a visualization of how all those

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wouldn't say an uneventful year but it

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was you know more of a uh let us settle

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after the major stuff we did last year

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with the new city center um focused

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mostly on um

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some tools we had. So uh 701 and action

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one were pools provided to us by the

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state part of the um cyber security

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budget that's started with a federal

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grant to the state that gets allocated

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to um from the state out to

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municipalities as they need it but the

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bulk of that state is the state and so

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they chose to buy packages for

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municipalities and let them uh those

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programs with them. So send one is our

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endpoint management

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um that's provided then which allowed us

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to retire sofos which is what we were

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paying for at the time and uh action one

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is patch management and that allowed us

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to uh retire our event product.

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year was we upgraded our our backup

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systems uh and backup being our disaster

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recovery data storage systems. We were

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using some very old software and some

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very old repurposed hardware for that

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purpose. Uh we we've moved that now to

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brand new hardware and and brand new

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software. And then uh part of that we've

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upgraded the the hardware that's down in

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the St. George data center. Uh so we

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have redundancy of that data both here

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at city center and down at our disaster

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recovery site at St. George. Um and then

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uh part of the St. George upgrades

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included having to change the rack out

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to uh a larger rack to accommodate that

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new hardware and then uh we did some

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firewall upgrades repurposing the

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previous into that.

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just kind of what gave the highlights.

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guys a little bit of a taste for what the environment looks like here as

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far as the threats that the city faces.

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hand corner, the ad lumin events over

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the last year, admin is a product we we

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pay for that's a managed detection and

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response system that monitors logs that

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our firewalls and um systems. they feed

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into this and they get aggregated as

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events into that system. So almost one

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and a half billion events um got dumped

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into that system and out of that um 776

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were triggered as alerts as something

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kind of suspicious and leads leads leads

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to more investigation needing to be done

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city or or not. And um part of that

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service we do with them is they they

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take care of the busy work. They're 247

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action on the the nastiest of the nasty

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talks about vulnerabilities. This is um

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one product. So these are the soft

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particular thing happens. and and that event is usually tied to a bug in

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their software and that bug um that

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seeing, you know, there were still 538

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our environment that that need attention

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that we just don't have the resources to

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those and trying to get those numbers

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getting to them as fast as we need, but

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a in a bad way yet, but we're those are

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numbers we want to keep an eye on. Um

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tracking those and those vulnerabilities

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about vulnerabilities that we could

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patch. And then as you can see, we got

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5,000 over 5,000 installed pieces of

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software that we're having to track and

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manage in the city. So, uh, as if we're

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doing this manually, that's that's our

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overwhelming thing to do, you know. So,

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patches that have to be installed. The

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printer driver. So, it's not like whole

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software packages, but um, but still a

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lot out there. So we it's this is these

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those weaknesses and and let us focus on

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getting those result.

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couple items we we need to have

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attention. So with the new building uh

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we have a new UPS system uh and a and

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the crack units which is a computer room

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air conditioning unit. um those were

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bigger units for this building than we

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had previous and so our budget was needs

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to be adjusted accordingly to match to

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manage maintenance on those products so

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they don't fall into disrepair. So we

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need an increased budget to keep those

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the software request there is we have we

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have software that helps us track all of

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our our tickets both in the in the

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software development side for project

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management as well as in the help desk

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for uh items that we need to address.

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right now that's um gotten more

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expensive because we're using it more

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good and bad cost to use more but we're

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using it more. So we need a little bit of money to maintain that

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product. Um and then the IBM system we

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new lease to be set up for the new power

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redundant in in St. George. Um and then

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Google licensing costs. Uh we are Google

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license agreement for the previous 5

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agreement and the price went up a little

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bit. So we needed 23,000 extra for the

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new price adjustments. And then CIUS

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next window of of uh focus. Now that we

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we're focusing on dwindling those lists

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resilience and the readiness that we

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have for disasters since talk to anybody

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more so now not if you get attacked by

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something it's when and so we want to be

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ready for when it happens so it's as

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minimal impact impactful as possible and

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about most of the things that Carlo

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right? These are things that happen

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inside of your body. This is what

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happens if you get sick, right? What

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systems are mobilized to make sure that

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to present as like the social

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relationships that our organization, the

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relationships that we have with software

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we evaluated. So we started making a

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long list of all of these that that list

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relationships as we onboard new software

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or new services that are provided by the

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outside market we are asking these

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services uh cyber security questions we

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are asking them data privacy questions

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we're asking them about data retention

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uh and making sure that uh the legal

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frameworks and the oper operational

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requirements that we've decided as a

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team is good hygiene uh that these third

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parties are engaged in as well. And when

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they're not right, we go back to the uh

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business unit within the city, whether

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that's parks or fire or finance, and we

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say, "Hey, here are the potential risks

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associated with doing our business

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through this service provider." And so

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we've got full disclosure about how

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we're doing business, where it's risky,

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where it's good. And then we're fully we

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are accepting those risks or we're

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rejecting those risks if they're too

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much. And that's just been a blind spot

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our operation in the past. We we have

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not terribly focused on. But it's

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important, right? Just as in the

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pandemic you did like contract or

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contact tracing because the people who

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you are closest with would be ones most

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likely to get you sick. Right. So this

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is uh we are doing our third party cyber

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security and data privacy assessments

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before we onboard vendors. We're doing

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annual auditing of the risks that are

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identified with those third party

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vendors and doing the best we can to

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inoculate ourselves from uh risky

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business behaviors. And then um we

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formalized a policy uh exception path.

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This means you know there's there's

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always the rule right and for every rule

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there's always an exception. Then just

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because there's an exception it doesn't

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mean that we negate the rule right. So,

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we track the rule or sorry, we track the

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exception. We audit against that

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exception annually to see if it's still

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valid or we close the door. Uh, and then

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we've created and adopted a citywide

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cyber security incident response plan

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this last year. So, the previous year

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was we adopted a cyber security

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framework, right? A way in which we

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build uh this year uh we formalized our

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response to bad events.

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questions.

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Seeing none, I shall move on. Uh this

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coming year, what we're going to be

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focusing on is a lot of actually

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compliance uh uh items here. Uh we've

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got uh mobile device management that

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Carlo touched on that that is a

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requirement for our criminal justice

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agencies that we're going to be rolling

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out. Um we are this is a big one. This

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second item has everything to do with

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the myorum initiative. uh right where

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we've got a centralized portal for our

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citizens uh where as we build new now

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and as we offer services to cit citizens

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we're trying to push as many of those

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services into a central portal for

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citizens so they don't have to have

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seven 10 12 different usernames and

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passwords with the city based upon how

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many services they consume from us and

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this line item moving um to a single

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user sign on for citizens this is the

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back end that makes that work uh

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continued good automation of employee

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account life cycle. So it's great uh

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people onboard with the city, people

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offboard with the city and they receive

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permissions and access based upon their

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roles as they onboard with us. But what

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happens to somebody who onboards with

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the city as a part-time um fitness

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center employee and is able to move up

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the ranks, right? Uh there's there are

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components within the life cycle. We

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call it backpacking. They usually

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backpack access and privileges uh and

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they may bounce around to three or four

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different departments in the city,

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right? So by the time they're done, they

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have so many more privileges than they

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ever needed. Uh a focal point of this

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coming year will will be to um tailor uh

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rights and privileges to users even

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through the life cycle as they move

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throughout uh different employment

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opportunities in the city. Excuse me.

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Um again, compliance requirements. Uh

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this is going to be encrypted

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communication again focusing heavily on

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our criminal justice agencies. Uh and

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then the last two is just a continuation

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of uh maturing the city's privacy

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program as well as maturing the city's

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cyber security program. I know that's

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that seems like a a shotgun blast, but

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these things are all interconnected and

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uh uh as we raise the quality of the

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experience and where all the boats are

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going to rise

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and that was everything I had. Any

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questions?

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>> How many of those were statemandated?

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>> H that is a really good question. One,

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two, three, three and a half.

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Just over half.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Software development. So, uh,

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like Steve and Carlo have presented to

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this point, looking at the third pillar

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of the IT group that helps support city

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services. What we do for the city is

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support the infrastructure that allows

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most of the city employees to do their

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jobs as well as provide convenient ways

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for citizens and customers of the city

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to interact with us in day-to-day

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operations.

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So to that end, one of the biggest

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things that we've been working on this

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past year is the launch of my ORM. I

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presented this to people at various

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points throughout the year and I am

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pleased to announce that as of yesterday

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that is live to our citizens. So that's

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been one of the biggest undertakings

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that we've had to make sure that Steve

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mentioned earlier with unifying

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counts across the city and we're

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providing a service that is adequate uh

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beyond adequate to our citizens in a way

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that actually helps them get what they

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need from the city rather than being

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lost in the minutia of having various

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accounts.

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Along with that comes upgrades of

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existing software. Uh this has provided

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us an opportunity to see what we

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currently have offering and make it

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better, make it more secure, make it

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better to fix and change in the future.

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Uh utility billing website is the first

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thing that has entered my arm as a

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available service to the citizens and we

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have made significant improvements to

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make sure that it is a secure experience

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and it is very clear what somebody is

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getting when they are interacting with

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that service.

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We've also been uh looking at updating

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our accessibility guidelines and this is

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rooted in things that have come down

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from the federal level with the

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Americans with Disability Act,

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specifically title 2 regulations that

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were set to go into effect last Friday

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and have been pushed back one further

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year. But this is work that we engage in

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to make sure that all of the services

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that we offer are legally compliant and

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are able to serve our citizens.

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Our software architecture is another

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thing because there's so much of city

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infrastructure that relies on the

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software that we're written. We want to

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make sure that that software when it

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comes time for it to be updated or to be

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life cycled out that it is a smooth

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transition.

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to make sure that as developers we can

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easily access that and change it as the

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needs of the city of all but also when

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security events come forward we are able

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to swiftly and accurately those issues

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as they go and then finally we've been

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engaging in steering committee

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conversations where as a software

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development team make sure that any

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decisions that we do to progress the

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software needs of the city are being

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directly led by the executive level of

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the city and not just at the needs of

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various departments in isolation. So all

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efforts by our software teams um and

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this includes our security and IT

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operations teams are the executive

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level.

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» Okay. So looking forward going into our

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next fiscal year we are two main

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priorities. First we're building new

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still right we're extending the myorum

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portal that just launched. We're looking

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at business licensing, putting business

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licensing into our centralized portal.

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We're also looking at fitness center.

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is a project that has

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already started, has been underway for a

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long time. It's going to take a long

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time and we're going to keep working on

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it. Our other big one, McKay talked

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about the need to life cycle software to

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keep it up to date, right? Maintenance,

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keep it all the whole system healthy.

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Um, we've reached time to life cycle

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some of our really big systems. So, our

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legacy programs, we're looking at

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payroll that pays all of our employees.

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We're looking at the general ledger

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system. We're looking at the court

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system.

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So, starting this year, we are going to

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start looking at reevaluating them,

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redoing them,

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stabilizing them, all of those kinds of

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maintenance things that are needed to

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keep it supporting the city's

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infrastructure. And as part of that, we

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are intending to in this next budget

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year onboard three more people to help

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us with this multi-year project of um

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life cycling our most core systems.

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We're looking at two software engineers

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and also a database administrator who's

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going to specialize in the um hygiene I

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guess of our data and all the

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information we collect for the citizens

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so that we can make sure that we are um

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legal legally compliant as legislation

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changes and also organized right and

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clean and we can help our citizens in

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the most secure way possible.

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So yeah, I think that's our that's the

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end of it. Any questions?

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>> I don't have a question, but I just want

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to say congratulations on getting the my

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up and running. That's Yes.

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>> Good job.

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>> No, that's

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a lot of work on that. So, thank you.

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>> Tuesday,

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>> any questions at this point, council?

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>> I do not speak uh developer and all of

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those languages that you do. So, thank

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you for what you do because

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I don't speak that language.

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Thank you.

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>> We love doing it. Love doing it for the

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city to see things progress. We have

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great like you guys working on man.

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>> So anyone who has an email now will need

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to set up access having access things in

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the past will need to set up a new

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login.

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>> That is correct.

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>> Just to clarify that because that's come

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up, right? So, this is a whole new

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system and this is fabulous and you want

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to access it just a login

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>> and they'll be able to link their

545
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,080
existing accounts to it. Uh, and our 311

546
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,520
agents are trained on how to make sure

547
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,240
that is a good process.

548
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,320
So if people have questions about how to

549
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,640
do it, 311

550
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,400
be where they need to contact who can

551
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,640
help them work through getting set up

552
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,400
with the new myorum

553
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,080
>> and then as things escalate from there

554
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,640
if if it needs to uh as software

555
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,880
developers start.

556
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,480
>> Thank you. And Pete, we have a whole PR

557
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,159
campaign to get the word out about my my

558
00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:05,600
sure that awareness is getting out to

559
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,440
everyone. We've got a whole big plan

560
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,559
that we're going to start rolling out

561
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,440
here at the end of the month.

562
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,600
>> Is Quinn online or council member?

563
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,200
>> Yeah, it looks like he is online. Um,

564
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,559
>> council member Mikum, do you have any

565
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,799
questions? I just I don't want you to

566
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,880
feel ignored.

567
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,159
>> Uh, thank you, Mayor. No, I'm um,

568
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,799
fantastic update. Sounds like you've got

569
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,679
a lot of things going on. It's it's just

570
00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:31,919
very informative and I'm particularly

571
00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:35,200
excited as well about my ORUM and um

572
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,159
thank you for the guidance uh on how to

573
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:40,960
advise our residents as they make that

574
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,549
transition.

575
00:22:44,559 --> 00:23:21,909
» Right. Thank you.

576
00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:24,559
thing. Can anybody guess where this hole

577
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:30,310
is located?

578
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,080
» Yes. So, here

579
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,360
that's where we should all be today.

580
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,360
Even though it's kind of cool. Which one

581
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,159
is it? Which hole is that?

582
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:42,720
>> Nine.

583
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,400
>> Um, that is number nine.

584
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,960
I spent some quality time at that whole

585
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,191
during the police

586
00:23:51,191 --> 00:23:52,720
[laughter]

587
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,679
little longer than you wanted to.

588
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:59,600
>> Uh so first off uh part of uh why we had

589
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320
it we have it come and discuss things

590
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,240
every year. Uh councilwoman member

591
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Gilstein uh uh many of us are in the

592
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,120
same boat as you to be honest with you.

593
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,520
Uh even you know we work with our IT

594
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,679
folks every day but obviously lots of

595
00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:18,159
the things they talk about are just like

596
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,480
uh-huh okay

597
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,080
you say so um

598
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,640
>> works right

599
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,880
>> despite our best efforts to try to

600
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760
understand what what they're talking

601
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,360
about and how that re impacts us right

602
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,520
um but part of the reason why we had

603
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,360
them go first this time before is

604
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,279
because as you will come to see here

605
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:40,480
when we start talking about the

606
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,760
operation ations. A large portion of the

607
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,400
operational items that are what we refer

608
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,799
to maybe as expansions

609
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:52,960
um are related to our IT area this year.

610
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240
Um just to give you an idea of um the

611
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,159
process that we go through. So at the be

612
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,640
uh beginning of the year in uh late

613
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,880
January, February, we um open our budget

614
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,919
uh product to all of the departments and

615
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:12,159
they are able to then start submitting

616
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:14,320
what we refer to these these expansion

617
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,640
requests and that's those requests you

618
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,640
see on that far left side. they have a

619
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480
time period in which they're able to

620
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840
submit those um and for us to be able to

621
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
consolidate those and review them and

622
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,320
then be able to um eval do some

623
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,159
evaluation on that so that by the time

624
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:34,799
we meet with each one of the departments

625
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,840
we kind of have an idea of what things

626
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,080
that they are looking at doing trying to

627
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,887
do in the next year that they feel like

628
00:25:41,887 --> 00:25:44,880
[snorts] they need help with.

629
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,960
We then meet as it mentions as a budget

630
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,960
subcommittee um which is primarily uh

631
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Ren and uh Carrie and Ryan and uh Trevor

632
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,679
and myself and and Jennica uh and along

633
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:01,919
with each of the departments

634
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,400
individually so that we can discuss each

635
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,799
of those operational expansions and and

636
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,799
what each of those expansions what does

637
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,559
it mean? um is there ways that we can um

638
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,480
have it some of that covered by a

639
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,039
revenue source of some of some specific

640
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,320
thing that wasn't there before or is

641
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,159
there something else that you know we

642
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:24,960
can look at that as far as a a way to

643
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,279
potentially even we can accommodate that

644
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:28,880
in the current fiscal year that we're

645
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,480
in. So like this year would have been

646
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,240
can we accommodate that here in fiscal

647
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,360
26 potentially. Um so all of that

648
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,240
discussion occurs in that um budget

649
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,080
subcommittee meeting. As you can see if

650
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159
the little swish going down if we find

651
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,240
that there's some things that can we can

652
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,520
do immediately um then we do that. We go

653
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,679
and we take those out of the mix and and

654
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,320
we take care of those and then we go

655
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,279
forward all of the other ideas. And I

656
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,960
say go forward, we put them on a list to

657
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720
determine,

658
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,320
is there going to be enough money to do

659
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,799
any of these things? Some of those are

660
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,720
maybe, yeah, we're we're going to find a

661
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,720
way to do that. That's a given. Some of

662
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,880
the others are, well, let's kind of see

663
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,400
where we're at and then we'll come

664
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
revisit that and and then give some

665
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,159
approval in that regard. And then all of

666
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:22,720
that is leading towards obviously

667
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,720
basically where we're at right now,

668
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,080
which is um our tenative budget being

669
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,559
completed and which will be presented um

670
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,240
to you on May 12th. Um there's still

671
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,400
time obviously between now and then that

672
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480
adjustments could be made and can be

673
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,880
made and potentially even will be made

674
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,960
um by the time we present on May 12th,

675
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,520
but for the most part right now uh

676
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760
Trevor and I are begging for everybody's

677
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,000
help and not changing anything from this

678
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,880
point forward.

679
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,110
So anyway,

680
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,640
the first thing talking about

681
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,799
expansions, uh we always want to touch

682
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:06,159
on personnel expansions uh first. They tend to have sometimes the greater

683
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,679
impact. Um as you may or may not know

684
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:14,399
our legal department uh is awesome and

685
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,880
coming being with awesome they have to

686
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,559
look at a lot of things and even as it

687
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,919
kind of mentioned we use more and more

688
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,200
outside third party things and do more

689
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
and more things that require uh

690
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,600
agreements.

691
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,360
Um, so as those things are reviewed, we

692
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,760
have this continued greater need to be

693
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,840
able to uh have attorneys in place to

694
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,960
gain a a better understanding and so

695
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,320
Steve can actually take a vacation.

696
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,799
So

697
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,840
>> who needs

698
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,000
you to be here? [laughter]

699
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,919
So, um that is one of the first um items

700
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,840
um [clears throat] that we needed to

701
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,559
address um with personnel. Now, I guess

702
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,320
before I go too much further on, you'll

703
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,200
notice on many of these um the the last

704
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
bullet points in many of these talk

705
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
about where does the funding come from

706
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,039
in in those cases. Now, many of these

707
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,440
while they exist, this exists these two

708
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600
positions in particular exist within the

709
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,919
general fund. That's where they're paid

710
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:25,200
from. Many of those costs of those

711
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,480
individuals are paid actually end up

712
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,399
being paid for by other funds, whether

713
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,880
that be our road funds, whether that be

714
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,559
any of our enterprise funds. Um, when we

715
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,120
do work, particularly our attorneys,

716
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,120
those agreements may come from any one

717
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,720
of those particular areas. Um, and so

718
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,720
obviously finance is another great

719
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520
example. We do work for all of the funds

720
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,480
within the city. So our costs are spread

721
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,559
throughout the city. So, so while we're

722
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,919
talking about them in a very small box,

723
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:01,840
realize there is potential, we'll refer

724
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,360
to it as a revenue component that is

725
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,120
spread across several other funds. It's

726
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,399
not 100%. So that's why we talk about

727
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:12,480
them here in this setting, but I thought

728
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,720
I'd at least make you aware that it is

729
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,360
not 100% born by general fund. Uh we

730
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,200
also our urban forestry group um as we

731
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440
have more and more trees that continue

732
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,919
to age and we have more and more of a

733
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,880
need to continue to monitor those trees

734
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,320
and you know we've had recent

735
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,240
discussions about canopies and different

736
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120
things like that. um that group is

737
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,279
really in need of some some help and

738
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,279
some assistance especially as we

739
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,039
continue to try to plant um new trees or

740
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:52,789
uh take care of those aging trees that we have.

741
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,919
Um our next one are beyond those are the

742
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:57,679
two personnel ones that we have within

743
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:01,440
the general fund. Um other expansions

744
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,279
that uh we have uh are the for civic

745
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,480
engagement. So underneath that uh we use

746
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520
a product software product called podium

747
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
um that helps our primarily our 311

748
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640
agents but is used by other um groups as

749
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,279
well. That was formally [snorts] paid

750
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,399
for through um our ARPA grant money that

751
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,480
we received from the federal government.

752
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,679
um that money has now been exhausted and

753
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,480
we still want to keep that product and

754
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,760
so we now need to uh if you will figure

755
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,039
out a way to help pay for that product.

756
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,000
Um Ren wanted me to include the city

757
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840
council element for the youth council of

758
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,960
2000 just to make you aware that we do

759
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,880
something for that group um so that uh

760
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,159
we can really get that group moving. Um,

761
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:53,679
normally that would not be something we

762
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,039
might include it, but um, it's not a

763
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:59,919
terribly large dollar amount, but

764
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,600
thought it was important for you to know

765
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440
that we do care about the little the

766
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,120
little things that we do as well, and

767
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,720
that we try to take care of those things

768
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,240
as well. careful. Our police department,

769
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,919
um, you know, I can't thank the police

770
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:17,600
department enough because every year

771
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,799
they come and tell us, "Yeah, we just

772
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,200
made we just found a place to pay for

773
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,120
those things."

774
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080
So unfortunately the time I think has

775
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200
come where those things the things you

776
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,840
see up here that we expand our budget to

777
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,679
make sure that they're not having to

778
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:40,399
take from Peter to pay Paul that they

779
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,039
can do those things that they need it.

780
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,480
And usually when they're taking from

781
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,919
Peter to pay Paul that means they're

782
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:49,200
delaying doing something. So, we don't

783
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,799
want that to be an ongoing continuing,

784
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,960
if you will, problem or issue. We want

785
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,559
them to be able to get those things done

786
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,440
that they need to get done. Um, and so

787
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,240
that particular top item is related to

788
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,840
that. um our animal services agreement

789
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
with uh new um that takes care of all of

790
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,440
our an animal control sing animals that

791
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,039
we find within the city and and deal

792
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,080
with um that contract and that's not

793
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,720
just us obviously it's ORM and everybody

794
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,519
northward the um costs for that have

795
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,640
increased and and our share of that has also increased now that's not just a

796
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
one-year this is also another one of

797
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440
those where we've been finding the funds

798
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440
to try to pay for those increases over

799
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
the past years and it has just now come

800
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,399
to time to where realistically we just

801
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:43,279
need to raise that to um the level that

802
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,760
it's currently at. And our fire folks um

803
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080
within each of the stations

804
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,799
they have various things that wear out

805
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,120
andor we need which might include

806
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,720
fridges and ovens and beds um various

807
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,960
things of that nature.

808
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
And in the past, we've just kind of

809
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,039
found a way to get those. You'll recall

810
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,359
the CIP money that we transfer into our

811
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,119
capital projects fund. A lot of the

812
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,679
times it's, you know, the things have

813
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,040
finally come to the point where we need

814
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,520
to do something and we use some of that

815
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,480
money. Well, these things don't go away,

816
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,280
right? They're regularly needing to be

817
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,679
addressed. So that those replacement

818
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,879
dollars are intended to make sure that money is always available for when

819
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:32,560
those themes are occurring and they

820
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,079
occur regularly. They don't occur at the

821
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,639
same time all the time. So it's it would

822
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,079
be it's good to have some funds

823
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,320
available to be able to address those.

824
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960
We also a EMPG grant for you don't know

825
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,520
is emergency management. Uh in the past

826
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480
we've received a grant that helped pay

827
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,320
for um our salaries of Heath and the

828
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,520
things that he does within his division.

829
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,760
Um the grant award didn't pay the whole

830
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,160
thing u but that grant has gradually

831
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,320
been dwindling as to the amount that is

832
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,079
involved um with it. So, as part of

833
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,640
being able to help support Heath and his

834
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,960
continued efforts um in the emergency

835
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,839
management realm, um the we would like

836
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,320
to put some funds aside to in essence

837
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480
replace some of those those grant funds

838
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,320
so that he has those funds available to

839
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,240
do the things that he needs to do to

840
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,880
make sure that we are prepared.

841
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Are there any questions about any of

842
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,160
those expansion items at this point?

843
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,720
Great.

844
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,599
Now, I'm going to be throwing a lot of

845
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,720
tables and numbers at you. Um, but I I I

846
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,920
just want to try to focus in on a few

847
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,839
different things. So, number one, the personnel costs. You might look at

848
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:52,400
that first top line. This is so I guess

849
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,280
first I should say as we talked about

850
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,800
separating the uh public safety into its

851
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,599
own special revenue fund that makes a

852
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,800
very unique comparison

853
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,480
issue for me. So what I've done is I've

854
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,359
done the best that I feel like I can as

855
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:13,920
far as putting those two things back

856
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,800
together again in relation to comparing

857
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,599
to where we're at this year. In future

858
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,200
years, those two things will be

859
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,880
separated and you'll have a, if you

860
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,960
will, an apples to, totally apples to

861
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,040
apples comparison. This would be more

862
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,160
like oranges and mandarin pairs,

863
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,280
something like that. Little

864
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:31,839
>> cutie.

865
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:32,880
>> Yeah.

866
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,760
>> So, um, the first item though, you know,

867
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,400
might draw your attention uh to that uh

868
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,680
percentage increase, but I need to um

869
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,839
address some of the elements that go

870
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:46,400
into that. Number one, obviously all of

871
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,240
our step people who are in the STEP

872
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,599
program, those are part of that. All of

873
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,920
people who are in our merit program,

874
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,440
those increases are part of that and

875
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,599
those are all at generally speaking at

876
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,880
about a 3% increase.

877
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,440
Uh there are health insurance increases

878
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,920
as you are probably well aware and many

879
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
things. Um all of those things are in

880
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,599
there. the the two ind the individuals

881
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,400
that we just referred to that are new,

882
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,400
they're part of that increase in

883
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,240
percentage as well. We also um moved an

884
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,920
individual out of our self- insurance

885
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,040
fund and into our uh general fund uh for

886
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,320
various reasons, but that does cause

887
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,320
when you're looking at our fiscal 26

888
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,400
budget, that does cause a variance. Um

889
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,240
but that change is also included in

890
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,520
there.

891
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,720
Um, we have a a whole slew of new

892
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,520
firefighters that we've added in the end

893
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,800
of fiscal 25. So, they would not have

894
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,079
made it into our fiscal 26 budget as

895
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,240
well as some uh new firefighters this

896
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,800
year that we have added. All of those

897
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,640
are related to our contracts with

898
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,359
Vineyard and Lynden. Again, those have

899
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,480
an associated revenue increase, which we

900
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
discussed in the last work session

901
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200
associated with them, but from a

902
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,240
comparison standpoint, it makes that

903
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,079
percentage rise, right? Um, and then,

904
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,720
you know, there's along with we've

905
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,160
talked about our focus on personnel uh

906
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,480
um above expansion or above doing other

907
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,280
things and this this budget as we're

908
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,240
preparing it has that focus in it. and

909
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,831
is trying to make sure that personnel

910
00:38:32,831 --> 00:38:35,520
[clears throat] are taken care of first.

911
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Um, one and and then if there were been

912
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,359
any few promotions that have occurred

913
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:44,000
during the year, those elements have

914
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
also been incorporated into that

915
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,880
comparison as well.

916
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680
As part of all of these uh tables that

917
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,839
we're discussing, I want to try to

918
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,880
clarify that we're trying to provide you

919
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,680
with more transparency than we have in

920
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,359
the past. um not by necessarily. It

921
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:05,520
wasn't designed in the past to hide

922
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,720
things necessary, but as part of to be

923
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,200
honest with you, our new software is

924
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,119
providing us with greater and greater

925
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,160
opportunities to be able to gather and

926
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,800
provide us so we can provide you the

927
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,680
better detail in in regards to those

928
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,920
without burying you hopefully in too

929
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,640
much detail that we just we get lost.

930
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Right? So that's what I'm trying to

931
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,040
focus on here in these following uh

932
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,880
elements.

933
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,400
>> And then one more thing that's in that

934
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
percent change too is when we do a set

935
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560
aside for market increases

936
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,280
above and beyond merit and step

937
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,240
increases that doesn't start out in the

938
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,040
personnel line item. It's it's a set

939
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,960
aside and then we wait in the middle of

940
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,079
the year to do that analysis to see what

941
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:00,079
the market is. Then once we know what

942
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,560
that information is, then it gets put

943
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040
into the personnel.

944
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,720
>> Correct. Right. And and so and as we use

945
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,440
our new software, we'll continue to

946
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,640
fine-tune those capabilities as to well

947
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,560
this is the way we used to do it. This

948
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,119
is the way we need to do it now. So that

949
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,839
more and more of these comparisons

950
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,400
um take into account those kind of

951
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,599
things where okay that money really that

952
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,200
even though we put it in this particular

953
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,079
account that's really related to

954
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,640
personnel. Um and I've tried to make

955
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,720
some adjustments for that but I can't

956
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,000
necessarily get them all. So anyway so

957
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,400
thank you Fran for bringing that up. Um

958
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,920
the other item on there I just wanted to

959
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480
point out, you know, not everything is

960
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440
always an increase there, uh down in

961
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,560
capital outlay, sometimes we are um

962
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,880
either because the needs just aren't

963
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,680
there in that particular year or as we

964
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,079
talked about that CIP reserve money that

965
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,839
we're able to take care of some of those

966
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:04,640
capital items as part of using those

967
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,119
funds to take care of them and and you

968
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,760
can see that impact uh in the GI current

969
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,800
fiscal year in relation to that as

970
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Brandon, I don't mean to be that person,

971
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,800
but you got about 15 to 20 minutes left.

972
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,760
>> We're we're good. Just want to make

973
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,319
sure.

974
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:21,359
>> Yep.

975
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:24,319
>> Um just a couple a few more items uh in

976
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,880
relation to our enterprise funds. Um

977
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,280
particularly wanted to note, uh if

978
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,040
you'll call right in the very center,

979
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,760
you'll see a negative 9.9. And anytime

980
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
you see negative numbers, sometimes you

981
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,119
might go, "Yeah, that's good because

982
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,480
that means went down when we're talking

983
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,720
expenditures, right?" I just want to

984
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,160
point out that negative is really all

985
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,119
related to two bonds that were paid off

986
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,800
a 2005 series.

987
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,760
If you go up just two what four lines

988
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,880
above and you see the 3.4% 4%. You might

989
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,960
wonder, well, how come water didn't go

990
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,160
down? And that's because we had a water

991
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,160
only bond that had a big payment waiting

992
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440
for those other two bonds to pay off.

993
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,520
So, and it's a water only related bond.

994
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,079
So, that's why you see a big decrease in

995
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,800
relation to storm water, but not much of

996
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,760
a decrease. In this case, it would have

997
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,280
been a decrease had that water bond not

998
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,160
been there, but because it made up for

999
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800
those, it's still an increase.

1000
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,920
Um, some other items talking about solid

1001
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,640
waste, you it you might see that that

1002
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,599
14.4% that you see down there, however,

1003
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,920
we're in contract finalizing our

1004
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,880
contract with them. the fiscal 26 budget

1005
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,920
did not necessarily contemplate an

1006
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800
audit, a can count audit that we

1007
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,960
recently had kind of right at the end

1008
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,480
when we were finishing that budget. So

1009
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,880
you actually will see some uh budget

1010
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
amendment changes to try to accommodate

1011
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,520
for fiscal 26, but fiscal 20 what was

1012
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,400
eventually agreed upon in fiscal 26 will

1013
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,520
actually carry forward into 27. So there

1014
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,640
won't necessarily be an increase in

1015
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,319
relation to the cost element uh for

1016
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:27,200
that. So so that's somewhat again one of

1017
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,280
these timing issues in relation to when

1018
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,040
we're looking at a past budget that was

1019
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,400
prepared a you know over a year plus ago

1020
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,839
as opposed to where we're going to be

1021
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:39,520
looking forward to moving forward.

1022
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,920
Um and then are are there any questions

1023
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,200
on that particular uh page? Obviously,

1024
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200
it's a lot to digest and you'll be

1025
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,359
receiving the presentation and if there

1026
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,880
are future questions about any of the

1027
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,640
particular items, you're welcome to

1028
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440
contact me about those.

1029
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,200
our internal service funds of which our

1030
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,800
IT department uh is part of and you can

1031
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,280
see the impacts uh there the second to

1032
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
near the bottom um in relation to the

1033
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,000
things that our IT folks just uh talked

1034
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680
to you and and what those mean in

1035
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,079
relation to their budget um and various

1036
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,920
and I mentioned the self- insurance fund

1037
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,680
and the moving of that individual that's

1038
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,440
why you see a negative over in the

1039
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,560
personnel column for that um particular

1040
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,119
place uh outside of those two elements

1041
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,599
most of the other items are are we'll

1042
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,520
call just say run-of-the-mill that's

1043
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,640
their normal expected um increases that

1044
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,270
we would have

1045
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,119
um some and then the other funds of the

1046
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,160
city that that uh we have so road and

1047
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,920
transportation

1048
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,240
uh related to those taxes you can see a

1049
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,280
large focus uh in relation to those uh

1050
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,240
in the capital area um so we've been

1051
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,040
focusing on getting more dollars into

1052
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,599
that capital arena so that we can um

1053
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,599
obviously have continue to have the best

1054
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,240
roads in particularly in maybe in the

1055
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,079
state right Chris.

1056
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:02,480
>> Absolutely.

1057
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,000
>> That's what I thought.

1058
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,680
>> Uh you know we we've already had a

1059
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,240
discussion about care taxes. U part of

1060
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,800
that 6.7% increase is related to use of

1061
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,880
uh appropriating some reserves that

1062
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,280
we've had in the past uh to this

1063
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,119
particular budget. Um and then the

1064
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,400
redevelopment agency it's a primarily

1065
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,240
just related to the uh the mall

1066
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,880
university place uh CDA that we have

1067
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,560
there. Um that property tax evaluation

1068
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,839
has been kind of up and down. So this

1069
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:39,839
year we always tend to budget a little

1070
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:42,240
bit conservatively. So based on our

1071
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,400
prior year receipt I'm I'm budgeting

1072
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,800
conservatively again.

1073
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,599
um our development fees. Uh you can see

1074
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,920
the personnel change there. Primarily

1075
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,400
that has relation to uh Mr. Yman and

1076
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,280
when he retired some reconfiguring in

1077
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,839
relation to the staff that is still

1078
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,400
there and the changing of their duties

1079
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,800
and whatnot. So we don't anticipate that will continue. That was kind of

1080
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,520
just a one-year blip.

1081
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Um

1082
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,520
and the remaining funds that we have uh

1083
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,599
we just to make you aware we do have a

1084
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,440
telecommunications fund that is related

1085
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480
to Utopia. Um and and you may or may not

1086
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,280
be aware of we once upon a time had

1087
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,000
people uh they bought just like you have

1088
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,280
a sewer lateral. They would buy the

1089
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,160
fiber line between the main line in the

1090
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,400
street and their house. It was called a

1091
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,240
Q. and they would uh finance that queue.

1092
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,640
is financed through the city.

1093
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,560
They pay the city and then we forward

1094
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,760
those funds to Utopia and that's

1095
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,240
continuing with until those exhaust and

1096
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,359
those are getting near the end of those

1097
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:54,960
as you can tell by the amount of money

1098
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,319
that is related to them. Uh our impact

1099
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,359
fee accounts and capital projects you

1100
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:03,040
might be going wow that seems really

1101
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,280
small for capital projects. Keep in mind

1102
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,880
there's not a lot of revenue in the

1103
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,839
capital projects fund. So most of when

1104
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,480
you're thinking the big dollars,

1105
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,520
those are saved monies from all of those

1106
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,520
CIP transfers that have been coming from

1107
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
year to year. That's not new money. So

1108
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640
that does not get accounted for as part

1109
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,160
of our budget. So uh the primary thing

1110
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,440
you see here are related to our cell

1111
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,079
tower leases. that is almost all of the

1112
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,040
money that is the new revenue that is in

1113
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,200
the capital projects fund is related to

1114
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,480
cell tower leases that we have and then

1115
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,119
I combined just for uh space sake

1116
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,400
foundation our uh ORM foundation and uh

1117
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,440
community and neighborhood services um

1118
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,400
we had some changes in relation to the

1119
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160
uh to Gary and and uh what he his pay

1120
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,319
and what he does for the city in

1121
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,720
relation to being and that's covered

1122
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,960
through our our uh HUD um award grant

1123
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,560
award.

1124
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Um but I wanted you to note as you can

1125
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,880
see on the far right that HUD money,

1126
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,760
that grant is continuing to decrease

1127
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,280
year after year after year. Um and so

1128
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,280
this year is no exception. It is

1129
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,359
continuing to decline.

1130
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,319
>> Um and then you say Gary, you mean Gary

1131
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:27,040
Leoo?

1132
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,760
>> Yes. Dr. Gary McInn

1133
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,760
enforcement neighborhood improvement.

1134
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,319
>> Correct.

1135
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:36,390
>> Little Gary we call it [laughter]

1136
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,119
7 foot little Gary.

1137
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:41,599
>> That's correct. Uh and then our senior

1138
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,599
citizens fund which to be honest as you

1139
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,599
can tell exactly the same as the year

1140
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,800
before. Um they they don't vary a whole

1141
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,359
lot so tend their budget tends to not

1142
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,680
vary very much.

1143
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,520
kind of the to get through the kind of

1144
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,720
the end items here uh personal

1145
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,640
expansions which um Sarah alluded to uh

1146
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,599
in here and one of the items she she

1147
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,000
didn't have in there is uh in relation

1148
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
to our privacy area. We're intending to

1149
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,680
have a hire an intern to help us get

1150
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,359
through those uh those privacy elements

1151
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,920
uh for for uh I believe it's with Steve

1152
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,800
if I remember correctly. Um, and so

1153
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,920
those pieces uh are very important for

1154
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,200
our IT. Um, and I can't stress enough

1155
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,280
from a finance perspective how important

1156
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,440
um, our IT folks are, particularly our

1157
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,920
programmers in relation to the how our

1158
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,640
finance functions throughout the city um

1159
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,680
because it would be very very difficult

1160
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,680
without them, almost impossible to to be

1161
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,359
able to do that. So, and

1162
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,440
um some of the expansions which Carlo

1163
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,920
already has kind of outlined. Um so I'm

1164
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,359
not going to necessarily repeat those,

1165
00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:59,599
but you can see the dollar impact in

1166
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,440
relation to the the items that we have

1167
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,119
there and and what that means as far as

1168
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,400
those individual elements are concerned.

1169
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,920
And last but not least, um within our

1170
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,200
transportation fund, those

1171
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,440
transportation funds, we have set aside

1172
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,160
dollars in relation to the trail head

1173
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,760
that's at the lower cemeter that would

1174
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,640
be at the lower cemetery. Uh we've also

1175
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,319
added some funds in relation to our

1176
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:27,280
solid waste fund uh in relation to tree

1177
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,040
pruning replacement and planting um in

1178
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,760
support the my hometown initiatives. And

1179
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,359
then the last item in our self-

1180
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:38,079
insurance fund, we've set aside dollars

1181
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,880
um in relation to event fencing. It's we

1182
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,359
refer to a sinking fund as sinking funds

1183
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:46,480
are we save some dollars each year

1184
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,559
similar to how we built this building

1185
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,119
and eventually we have enough money to

1186
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,760
be able to get enough of the thing that

1187
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,760
we're looking at to be able to get it

1188
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,599
and that it can be something meaning you

1189
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,280
know actually meaningful instead of just

1190
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,599
buying one barricade at a time which may

1191
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,720
or may not do us any good. So anyway

1192
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,680
that's what I have. Are there any

1193
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,839
questions? question. You go back just

1194
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:12,160
one slide. Is that the only money that

1195
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,559
the city's providing partnering with my

1196
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,079
hometown or are there other

1197
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,720
>> No, there are other funds. These are in

1198
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,960
addition to the expansion.

1199
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,040
>> Yes. Well, we have all what we normally

1200
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,470
set aside.

1201
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,000
» I can just also emphasize it fund. Just

1202
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,880
keep in mind that we say it fund but it

1203
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,760
benefits every department, every fund

1204
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,760
throughout the whole city.

1205
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,200
Yeah. And and I should have I should

1206
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,720
have mentioned that obviously all of our

1207
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,240
internal service funds are allocated out

1208
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,599
to um other funds. Some of the general

1209
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,480
fund, some enterprise funds, some uh in

1210
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,599
other areas, but so they're just a way

1211
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,240
to accumulate those costs. So we know

1212
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,079
what does it for instance, what does

1213
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,440
facilities maintenance, what does it

1214
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,319
cost us in total um before it's actually

1215
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:04,240
sent out and charged to all of these

1216
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,640
other funds.

1217
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,680
Okay. Right.

1218
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,160
>> Just to make sure. So, next week we're

1219
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,599
having another work session, work

1220
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,559
session only on budget. Then the week

1221
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,720
after that is a regular council meeting

1222
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,440
and you'll pres presenting the tenative

1223
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,960
budget.

1224
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,200
>> Yeah. Next week will be our fleet.

1225
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,839
>> Okay.

1226
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:26,000
>> And our capital improvement project

1227
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,119
items.

1228
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,200
>> So big we're talking big dollars.

1229
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,800
>> Okay. Is the tenant budget, if you could

1230
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,920
remind me, is that a public hearing? Um

1231
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,800
it's it's been a public hearing in the

1232
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,119
past. Well, I have we have to have a I

1233
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,400
have to have a discussion um based upon

1234
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,520
these new law changes whether you still

1235
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,440
need it to be or not.

1236
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,800
>> Okay. I just was wondering if it had to

1237
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,200
be an official public.

1238
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,520
>> And and right now, to be honest, I'm I'm

1239
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,359
going to try to convince Steve it does

1240
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:57,359
not need to be any longer.

1241
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:58,559
>> Okay.

1242
00:52:58,559 --> 00:52:59,839
>> Anyway.

1243
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:02,400
>> All right. Thank you. You ate all the

1244
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,319
work all everyone all the departments

1245
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,960
are done and Brandon you're the say the

1246
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,040
cat wrangler say cats but

1247
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,240
friend with his cat. All right.

1248
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,160
Thank you.

1249
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,319
Where is Jake?

1250
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:21,680
>> There you are.

1251
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,800
>> He's snuck in.

1252
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,240
>> Walking to the front.

1253
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,800
>> All right. Our

1254
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,520
next item is a presentation on

1255
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,240
short-term rentals. And before we get

1256
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,680
started, I visit just want to let the

1257
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,280
rest of council know that I visited with

1258
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,200
Jake and we discussed

1259
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,800
kind of the process of this meeting and

1260
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,000
what what our hopes are

1261
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,520
for

1262
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,240
when we conclude this work session that

1263
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,079
Jake has a timeline. he'd like to get

1264
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:51,920
certain pieces of information from us

1265
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,920
and I would I want to encourage you if

1266
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,599
you do have questions of course to ask

1267
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,559
them but u he has certain things that he

1268
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,200
would like to cover and and Jake I'm

1269
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,359
going to speak for you too because we

1270
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,119
talked about what our what our hopes and

1271
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,599
dreams are for this meeting when this

1272
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,440
meeting ends our hopes are that we will

1273
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,280
have an ordinance or Jake will have

1274
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,920
enough direction to be able to present

1275
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,640
an ordinance to us for formal

1276
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,480
consideration ation at our May 12th

1277
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,400
meeting.

1278
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,520
So that that's the hope that I that we

1279
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,359
have

1280
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:30,240
>> no like we would have that I think the

1281
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,040
discussion that we're having today would

1282
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,359
feed into that and I think maybe we can

1283
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:37,200
make some decisions not decisions

1284
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,400
because we can't make formal decisions

1285
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,480
here but give direction and have the

1286
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,520
discussion today. I would like to see uh

1287
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,440
it on the agenda to be adopted on the

1288
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,960
12th. But if the council feels if we

1289
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,559
don't depending on how far we get or

1290
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,800
whatever, we can discuss that and if we

1291
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,800
need to move it to the 26th, we can do

1292
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,880
that as well. But that's that's what I

1293
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,640
hope. But let's just see what Jake hopes

1294
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,079
as we've talked. But let's just

1295
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,000
>> I kind of like to let things settle for

1296
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,440
a little bit. So I was hoping that we'd

1297
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,359
have one more meeting, but let's see how

1298
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:05,839
this goes.

1299
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,599
>> Yeah. Let's see how it goes.

1300
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:08,720
>> I'm open to that.

1301
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,000
>> Okay.

1302
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,160
>> Yeah. So the mayor turn over to you.

1303
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,480
>> Thank you. Yeah. Uh you you said it

1304
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,559
exactly. The purpose here is to

1305
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,559
basically see where we have directional

1306
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:23,599
consensus as a council and and where the council feels comfortable

1307
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,079
moving forward. Um this isn't about

1308
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,079
committing anybody to any one particular

1309
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,960
sentence that will then become code or

1310
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,280
taking any formal opinions or votes or

1311
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,359
anything like that, but rather where is

1312
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,760
there consensus? where can we build upon

1313
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,839
and then what direction do we have so we

1314
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:42,640
can have a working draft to present to

1315
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680
the council in coming meetings.

1316
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,760
Um so kind of the framework for the

1317
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,200
discussion um is I I view this as three

1318
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,319
separate mini discussions and discussion

1319
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:55,520
one I think there's going to be a lot of

1320
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,599
consensus already. What are the guiding

1321
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,880
principles? What are our values? Um I

1322
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,799
anticipate that that discussion can be

1323
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,960
accomplished in an area about 5 to 10

1324
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,280
minutes. Um discussion two is is really

1325
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,880
based on those values and principles.

1326
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,799
I've I've prepared three potential

1327
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,760
different paths forward. Um, and I will

1328
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,680
go over each of those different paths

1329
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,280
and I think that that will be a

1330
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,839
foundational discussion really on how

1331
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,720
the council moves forward with this. I

1332
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,040
anticipate that that discussion may take

1333
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,319
much more time, 30 to 40 minutes. Um,

1334
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,000
and then discussion three, we get a

1335
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
little bit more into the weeds. What are

1336
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,799
the actual implementations? What are the

1337
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,559
things we want to do? If you were to

1338
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,119
choose option two or option three, what

1339
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:42,480
are the concerns that are out there?

1340
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,839
What are the tools we can use to

1341
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,559
mitigate some of those concerns and and

1342
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,480
balance the needs of neighborhoods and

1343
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,000
STR operators? Before you go on, I just

1344
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,559
want to just so those who are online

1345
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,280
listening, just so you as information

1346
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,839
that Jake and I since we've last

1347
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:01,760
discussed this have met with each

1348
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,319
council member individually and and

1349
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:07,599
we've discussed this to get ideas and so

1350
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,559
this isn't the first time that that

1351
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,119
we've discussed this or I have or Jake

1352
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:14,960
and I have been working on this and we

1353
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,640
discussed I appreciate council members

1354
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,160
taking the time to to meet and to

1355
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,559
discuss in just one-on-one meetings or

1356
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,200
one and two meet ones to twos to just

1357
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,520
get some ideas of what direction. So

1358
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,079
anyway, sorry here I tell everyone to

1359
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,040
you know I digress us bring me back

1360
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,920
apologize.

1361
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,240
>> No, no problem. Um, I added this quote

1362
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,680
in the bottom of this and I and I like

1363
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,040
it and I would hope that it helps kind

1364
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,760
of guide is um, part of the word

1365
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,319
question is the word quest. And really

1366
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:46,559
that's kind of what the last maybe three

1367
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,480
years of my life has been with this

1368
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,280
project. Bit of a quest sometimes felt

1369
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,559
like tilting at windmills but

1370
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:56,000
nonetheless we are on a quest. Um, we're

1371
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,680
all on the same team. I think we're all

1372
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,920
trying to make ORM a better place, a

1373
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,680
better place for everybody to live, to

1374
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,599
work, recreate, etc. Um, so again,

1375
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,599
please please chime in. The only way I

1376
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,359
know where there is consensus is if I'm

1377
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:11,839
hearing opinions and and seeing where

1378
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,400
people are aligned.

1379
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,040
Um,

1380
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,520
so as we did these many meetings and as

1381
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,760
we've talked about it, things I've heard

1382
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,680
I've kind of categorized into four

1383
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,119
different guiding principles and

1384
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,839
priorities. Number one is really how do

1385
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,760
we maintain neighborhood character and

1386
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,200
how do we make sure our neighborhoods

1387
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,960
are stable? How do we ensure for

1388
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,599
neighborhood stability? Second is how do

1389
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,920
you promote the ordinance that balances

1390
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,240
fairness between, you know, property

1391
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,680
rights owners and as well as neighbors?

1392
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,280
And also, how do you make sure that

1393
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,119
we're following what the, you know, the

1394
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,280
consent of the public is? Even though

1395
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,119
some of that might be a silent majority

1396
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,880
that really isn't voicing their opinions

1397
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,000
at at personal appearances, uh they may

1398
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,760
be doing it through emails, they may not

1399
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,000
even really be engaged much on this

1400
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,079
topic. Uh, one of the things I've seen

1401
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,720
over the last three years is um,

1402
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,319
regardless of the work sessions,

1403
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:07,839
regardless of the the number of people

1404
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:09,839
that come out, it seems like every now

1405
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,040
and then we'll get the person that says,

1406
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,599
"I didn't even know this was something that's been on the city

1407
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,720
council's agenda." And so really, how do

1408
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,440
you know the public consent when

1409
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,200
you don't really know what, you know,

1410
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,359
the silent majority really is wanting

1411
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:25,920
out there? Uh, next is the legal and

1412
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,000
operational viability of any ordinance.

1413
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,920
It has to be defensible. actually has to

1414
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,160
be enforceable. It can't be overly

1415
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,520
complex because it needs to be

1416
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,960
implemented in some way that's

1417
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,680
meaningful. And then four is just

1418
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,760
holistically how do we ensure the public

1419
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,440
health, welfare, and safety of our

1420
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,470
community.

1421
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,280
Um, okay, before I move on, because this

1422
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,280
is kind of that that guiding principle.

1423
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,920
So, if I were to ask each of the council

1424
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,760
members, if you were to look back 5

1425
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,160
years from now after you've adopted an

1426
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,720
ordinance and that ordinance was a

1427
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,799
success, what would the neighborhoods of

1428
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:04,000
ORM look like to you?

1429
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,200
I'm going to pose that question and then

1430
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,640
it'll be awkward silence like I'm

1431
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,870
teaching Sunday school.

1432
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,640
» I think they would look a lot like they

1433
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,720
look now and maybe a little stronger.

1434
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,240
>> Okay. stronger and I picture

1435
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,359
neighborhoods where

1436
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:26,319
people have the opportunity to to live

1437
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:31,430
there permanently over long term

1438
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,200
» and just based on emails that we've

1439
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,119
received and things like that place

1440
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,839
neighborhoods where um to the mayor's

1441
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:40,000
point they're long-term because they're

1442
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,119
able to own a home and they're they also

1443
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,720
feel comfortable enough with the

1444
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,680
neighborhood the their neighbors

1445
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,480
and having those connections that the

1446
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,839
children are playing in the street

1447
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:55,440
together. There's a that sense of safety

1448
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,559
and um

1449
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,240
definitely that community connection I

1450
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,760
think is important.

1451
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,119
>> Okay. As as you've each vocalized kind

1452
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:06,960
of your your vision if if there was an

1453
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,799
ordinance in five years from now, do

1454
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,119
these principles and priorities align

1455
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,280
with that vision or is there something

1456
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,040
that's missing from this slide?

1457
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,359
I would push back on the word fairness

1458
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,079
just a little bit because we're in this

1459
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:23,760
position of having to make an ordinance

1460
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,799
because it's already not fair. We don't

1461
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,160
we're not in the business of making

1462
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,799
ordinances just to

1463
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:33,359
make ordinances because something's not

1464
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:35,119
going right already that they're in the

1465
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:36,720
position of having to address it. So

1466
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,880
there's already this

1467
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,799
level of unfairness around short-term

1468
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:43,359
rentals that exists.

1469
01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:45,359
And so I guess balanced fairness maybe

1470
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,680
makes sense a little bit, but it's

1471
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,000
already inherently unfair.

1472
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,920
>> And Crystal, I think we could also frame

1473
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,680
that also maybe a little bit differently

1474
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,119
and say, you know, how do you explain

1475
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,440
maybe a prohibition in a way that shows

1476
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,200
the equity between maintaining

1477
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,680
neighborhood character and what our our

1478
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,520
standards have been in the past in our

1479
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,200
land use code. So I mean fairness can be

1480
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,319
framed and defined different ways.

1481
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:15,040
Also under that one I those things that

1482
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,720
you've listed democratic equitable

1483
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
reflect a shared vision. So for me one

1484
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,160
of mine is principled. I try to make a

1485
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,240
principal decision that doesn't um that

1486
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,960
if that takes into account the future of

1487
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,280
one not just the many voices I'm hearing

1488
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,680
now you know something that is possibly

1489
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,440
not popular

1490
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,119
>> right it's for what the vision vision

1491
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,160
>> right of the future so of course that's

1492
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,520
going to maybe be a little different

1493
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,880
based on who you're talking to but

1494
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,520
um I think it if princip is just a word

1495
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,559
I really like.

1496
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:53,839
>> Would you mind asking the question for

1497
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:55,280
councelor Kilp? You had to step out for

1498
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,680
a moment.

1499
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,480
>> Sorry. Yeah. So, the question I

1500
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,319
>> question I asked to the group was if you

1501
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:03,040
were to look back 5 years from now um at

1502
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,799
having passed an ordinance that deals

1503
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:09,040
with short-term rentals, whether it's a prohibition or regulation of some

1504
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,920
type. Um and that ordinance was a

1505
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,319
success. What do Orum neighborhoods look

1506
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:16,480
like to you to show that that was a

1507
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,640
success?

1508
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,599
>> You want me to answer?

1509
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,440
>> Yeah.

1510
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,599
um more uh familyfriendly,

1511
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,599
more um

1512
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,039
uh considering the the single family

1513
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,480
home rather than putting basically

1514
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
hotels in the middle of city of

1515
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,720
residential areas.

1516
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,079
>> So that's kind of um

1517
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,400
the general thought of looking back. We

1518
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,160
wouldn't want to be thinking that our

1519
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,839
neighborhoods are now geographical hotel

1520
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:54,240
uh coming to stay locations, but they're

1521
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,880
family lo family neighborhoods that kids

1522
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,720
can grow up and go out on the street and

1523
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,799
play and have fun and and and uh yet be

1524
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:06,000
aware of those that have successfully

1525
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,119
managed this thing called short-term.

1526
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,760
and their neighbors have been

1527
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,920
supportive because they've always been

1528
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,799
quiet and successful and friendly and

1529
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:18,960
all those other things. So, they deal

1530
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,280
very fine balance.

1531
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,240
And as you Oh, Jeff, can I I agree with

1532
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,960
everything that's been said. Um, if I

1533
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,520
could just add one thing, it would be

1534
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,440
neighborliness.

1535
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,319
I feel like that's something we lost uh

1536
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:39,280
during co we all kind of turned inward

1537
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,599
and it feels like neighborhoods aren't

1538
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,000
quite as neighborly as they have been in

1539
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,480
the past and you know so you know as

1540
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,799
we're looking at wishes I I would love

1541
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:53,520
to go back to a time where we're a

1542
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,880
little more you know we're out in the

1543
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,000
street talking more where they said kids

1544
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,440
are playing in the street riding their

1545
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,039
bikes shadows and so

1546
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,000
I I think that's a valuable part of any

1547
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,440
community is that togetherness.

1548
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,880
>> And I would like to add I think I agree

1549
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,839
with everything that's been said as

1550
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,119
well. And I think I would also like to

1551
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,200
add that I think it would be great if we

1552
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,440
could help families find ways to use

1553
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,280
their properties in ways that suit them

1554
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,280
and their goals. Whatever that may be,

1555
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,640
whether that's staying in their home or

1556
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:23,839
whether that's, you know, being

1557
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,280
neighborly, whatever it is, let's help

1558
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,119
families use their assets in a way that

1559
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,230
makes sense to them.

1560
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,160
So, now that I again everybody's here,

1561
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,880
let me ask

1562
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,480
>> Quinn does Quinn have anything I can

1563
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,440
say?

1564
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,960
>> Yeah. Thank you, mayor, and thank

1565
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,760
thanks, Jake. Um, I I'll just add that,

1566
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:40,880
you know, the things you put on the

1567
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,400
slide, I think,

1568
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,359
>> all make good sense to me as well. Um,

1569
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:47,200
we want to make sure that residents feel

1570
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,160
like um they're comfortable in their

1571
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,720
neighborhoods. Uh, that short-term

1572
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,039
rentals, right, would be low density in

1573
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,599
those neighborhoods if we have them. Um

1574
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:01,440
I also it's really important to me that

1575
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,520
um those that have a high stake in this

1576
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,280
decision have a seat at the table and

1577
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,039
are able to meaningfully uh resolve any

1578
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:13,039
concerns that people might have. Um and

1579
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,319
um that you know h housing affordability

1580
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:19,440
is important to me and and the ability

1581
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,359
uh of those who own homes or are paying

1582
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:23,839
mortgages to supplement their income in

1583
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:25,440
ways that that don't detract from the

1584
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:26,640
quality of the neighborhood is important

1585
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,910
to me.

1586
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,559
And then and then to the group um again

1587
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,400
based off those visions is there

1588
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,559
anything that is missing as a guiding

1589
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,559
principle or a priority as a class that

1590
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:45,910
should that should be mentioned here?

1591
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,520
Okay, if there's no objections, I'm

1592
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,710
going to move forward to the next slide.

1593
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,839
So, as I indicated, um, based on our our

1594
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,400
many meetings and based on one-on-one

1595
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,920
conversations with council members and based on also meeting with STR

1596
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,960
operators and and neighborhoods, trying

1597
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,920
to see what possible paths there are. Um

1598
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,079
really I'm presenting three different

1599
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:18,640
potential options forward. Option one um

1600
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,799
and we can talk about these individually

1601
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:22,559
or we can talk about them collectively

1602
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:25,440
as a as a group. But option one high

1603
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,000
level is um that we just clarify the

1604
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,640
prohibition that's already in our land

1605
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,240
use code. Um that transate lodging is is

1606
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,880
not allowed in any residential zone. Um,

1607
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,880
and I'll just flip over to that slide

1608
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,280
real quick as well. Um, basically, um,

1609
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,280
what we would be doing is we would be

1610
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,119
adding language that makes it a lot

1611
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,079
clearer to all of those, um, that would

1612
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:55,359
have a stake as to what Worm stance is

1613
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,240
with short-term rentals. And that would

1614
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,160
be that short-term rentals clearly fall

1615
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,599
under the definition of transient

1616
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:03,920
lodging and that transient lodging is

1617
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,920
not allowed in any residential zone. Um,

1618
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,640
as I as I looked at comparable cities,

1619
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,160
uh, there had been previously three

1620
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,440
cities that had this type of language.

1621
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,480
Uh, West Jordan, Mapleton, and Alpine.

1622
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:21,520
However, West Jordan recently passed um,

1623
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,440
an ordinance that does allow short-term

1624
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:25,839
rental licensing, and they did so within

1625
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:27,759
the last year. And so, that's a

1626
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:31,040
relatively new development. Um, and then

1627
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,199
as you can see on the side, the uh the

1628
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,040
other cities that I list there find

1629
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,560
themselves in the same situation that

1630
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,839
ORM is currently. Um, they they for all

1631
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:41,920
intents and purposes have a ban or a

1632
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,319
prohibition, but it is it's buried in

1633
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,960
their land use code. It's not clear and

1634
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,279
definitive.

1635
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:50,000
>> I have a question.

1636
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:50,640
>> Yes.

1637
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,000
>> Those cities I mean I look at Vineyard

1638
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,759
and I think if I wanted to go on, you

1639
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:55,440
know, or one of those sites today,

1640
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:56,880
there's no way I would buy

1641
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,799
>> just looking up an STR. I mean, you're

1642
01:08:58,799 --> 01:08:59,920
looking right now. So that so I'm sure

1643
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,239
they exist. So maybe the code is clear

1644
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,239
but the they any sense of like how many

1645
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,159
they're doing or how often they exist or

1646
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:08,239
>> Well I I haven't looked specifically to

1647
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,400
see how many are listed in vineyard. Um

1648
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,960
one thing I do know is because again in

1649
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,279
their land use code is particular um one

1650
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:16,480
of the reasons that our numbers seem

1651
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,640
somewhat inflated when we scrape data to

1652
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,759
find out how many is the STR operators

1653
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:24,319
in vineyard are using ORM addresses to

1654
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,279
list their VRBs.

1655
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:28,880
I have a question and a comment. Just a

1656
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,799
first a comment. I just want to clarify

1657
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:32,799
that when I talked to how Jake and I

1658
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:36,400
met. Um, council member of Kilpac was out of town and I didn't have a

1659
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,839
chance. He's the only one I have we

1660
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:39,120
didn't have a chance to meet one-on-one

1661
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,480
with. I just want to clarify that.

1662
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:41,679
Second, I want to have a question on

1663
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:44,719
this. Is this is 22 is that our zoning

1664
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:46,480
ordinance or is that is this or would

1665
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:48,560
this be in the license? Where would this

1666
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,359
reside?

1667
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,679
>> So, if we were to take the the the path

1668
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,239
forward that we clarify the ban, it

1669
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:55,760
would be in our zoning code.

1670
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,719
>> Okay. Okay. So, it be in the zoning

1671
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,000
ordinance. Okay. Thank you.

1672
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,040
>> Correct.

1673
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,320
>> It's not currently.

1674
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,920
>> Um, it is currently

1675
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,800
>> read in the back.

1676
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,320
>> What it what it says is under 2219. It

1677
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,520
says any and you know, Steve, if you

1678
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,440
want to help me out, but basically says

1679
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,120
uh to have a permitted land use, you

1680
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,120
have to refer to our appendix A, which

1681
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,719
is our land use table, to see if that

1682
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,640
use is permitted. And then it breaks

1683
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,760
down every zone and it says by SLU code

1684
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,560
or or land use code what is permitted in

1685
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,280
that zone. and transient lodging is a

1686
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,280
non-p permitted use in any residential

1687
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,280
zone. So, it's several steps to find

1688
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,040
that answer, but yes, it's currently in

1689
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,960
our code. What I'd be looking to do is

1690
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,880
to move it forward and make it clear.

1691
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,840
>> Can I make a comment?

1692
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,480
>> Yes.

1693
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,320
>> So, a couple of those cities, this last

1694
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,080
week, we were at our League of Cities

1695
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,480
and Towns convention with other city.

1696
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:51,840
couple of those cities I asked there

1697
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,400
that question, you know, I've got you

1698
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,159
down on the list that you don't allow

1699
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:00,159
them. What are your thoughts? And um one

1700
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,760
in particular, Saratoga was um you know,

1701
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,600
right now we're interested in housing

1702
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,040
people and not being hotels in our city.

1703
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,840
So, we're comfortable where we are. So,

1704
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,360
I would kind of um I mean, there was

1705
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,080
another one very similar statement. Um,

1706
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,880
so I I just say that to clarify because

1707
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,719
it cuz I understand that Airbnb, VBO,

1708
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:28,560
there's a lot of pressure right now on

1709
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,880
cities to allow them. There is a

1710
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,159
political movement to do that. So, it

1711
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:37,120
was interesting to hear that particular

1712
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,560
mayor say, "No, we're not we're not, you

1713
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,080
know, we're not interested in that."

1714
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,600
>> Okay. Going back now to option two just

1715
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,239
to kind of give the high level. Option

1716
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:54,000
two is kind of the first entry into

1717
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,880
short-term rental regulation and that is

1718
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,239
that you only allow owner occupied

1719
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,120
short-term rentals uh to operate within

1720
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,800
the city.

1721
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,239
Um, basically we would have and we can

1722
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,159
again I I'll move forward to that slide

1723
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,719
so you can kind of see the overview of

1724
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,920
this is um if that was the option we'd

1725
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,120
want to have a more in-depth

1726
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,360
conversation of how do we define owner

1727
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,280
occupied currently as as as I've played

1728
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,640
around with the language and draft and

1729
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,840
um is it would be anybody with a 50%

1730
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,679
ownership interest in the property

1731
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:34,960
itself. Um, we would have limitations

1732
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,120
about corporate entities being able to

1733
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,960
qualify as owner occupied. Um, to be a

1734
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,360
owner occupied, you'd have to reside at

1735
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:44,560
that residence. You would have to be

1736
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,880
your primary resident, which means you

1737
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,000
reside there at least 183 days a year.

1738
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,120
Um and this is one of the areas that we

1739
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,520
could have a a further discussion is

1740
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,280
under really basic understanding of

1741
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,600
owner occupied is that the owner resides

1742
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,640
in the primary residence portion of the

1743
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,000
home. So if you wanted to just that

1744
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,679
where they could live in perhaps maybe

1745
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:11,440
the ADU portion and rent out the

1746
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,360
primary, we would just need to make some

1747
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,080
corrections or changes to our code. Uh

1748
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,920
the second part is that uh owner

1749
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,400
occupied uh STRs would would go through

1750
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,920
a licensing process where they'd have to provide proof of

1751
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,400
ownership. Uh they'd have to pri provide

1752
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,040
proof of occupancy. Um they'd have to

1753
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,480
show that the the property doesn't

1754
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:31,840
conflict with any sort of deed

1755
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,239
restrictions or any other sort of

1756
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,600
covenant protections. Um would want them

1757
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,159
to go through an STR management course

1758
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,880
trying to identify that currently. Maybe

1759
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,840
it's a hospitality course through UVU.

1760
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Um, they have to submit a parking plan.

1761
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,880
They'd have to show that they're insured

1762
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,360
uh for that type of operation. They

1763
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,040
would be subject to inspections from our

1764
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,400
building department and our fire

1765
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,640
department to ensure that that dwelling

1766
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,159
portion that's going to be rented is

1767
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,679
safe and and habitable and that they pay

1768
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:06,239
all respective fees to the city.

1769
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,360
So, if it's a separate like a separate

1770
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,600
apartment or whatever unit, would they

1771
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,480
need does this require them to get an

1772
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,719
accessory dwelling unit license and

1773
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:18,960
bring that bring that accessory dwelling

1774
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,040
up to code?

1775
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,120
>> So, that could be an option and and

1776
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,040
that's really where I have that in in

1777
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,800
discussion three is as [clears throat]

1778
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,800
as we as where I can see where there's

1779
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,120
consensus. If if the desire was to move

1780
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,199
forward with an owner occupied only, uh

1781
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:34,560
we could get a little bit further into

1782
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,199
the weeds with do we require them to

1783
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,440
have an accessory apartment permit prior

1784
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:43,360
to obtaining short-term rental license.

1785
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,600
Um these licenses would be annual

1786
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,679
licenses. Uh there would be no vested

1787
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:49,440
rights. It would not be a land use. This

1788
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,360
would be found under our business

1789
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,080
licensing code.

1790
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,000
>> Can I just back up? So parking plan just

1791
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,679
do we have a standard?

1792
01:14:57,679 --> 01:14:59,440
>> Yes. And again that will be in

1793
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,440
discussion three is what is that

1794
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,840
standard? Where does this council feel

1795
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,960
comfortable with that?

1796
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,760
>> Um

1797
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,199
>> so just so so I understand your

1798
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:11,440
presentation you're going to go through

1799
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:12,480
these points.

1800
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,159
>> Yes.

1801
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,000
Um

1802
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,120
there would be no vested rights um in in

1803
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,400
the license because it is a

1804
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,120
discretionary license. uh that license

1805
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,360
would be good for a year uh through the

1806
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,120
through that year or until the home is

1807
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,280
sold. Uh these licenses are not

1808
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:30,800
transferable.

1809
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,280
Um and if the council at any future date

1810
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,040
decided they wanted to amend or

1811
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,280
discontinue the program because there is

1812
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,960
no vested right, the council would be

1813
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,480
free to act and make those changes. Um

1814
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,000
and then we get into the regulation

1815
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,080
portion of that regulation and

1816
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,640
enforcement is can we be focusing on

1817
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,000
these would be for overnight

1818
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,400
accommodation only. Um there would be

1819
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,080
requirements for uh maintenance

1820
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,920
standards of the property to comply with

1821
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,719
our our already existent existing

1822
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:01,280
residential maintenance uh requirements.

1823
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,600
A 247 uh 247 hour response even if they

1824
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,199
the owner has gone on vacation, they

1825
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:08,640
would need to have somebody available to

1826
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,120
respond in case there is a nuisance uh

1827
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,440
at the home. There would be quiet hours.

1828
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,280
Uh lighting requirements as far as

1829
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,360
screening and shielding to make sure

1830
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,000
there is no light transpass onto

1831
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,320
neighboring properties. Noticing

1832
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,600
requirements meaning that they would

1833
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,120
have to provide notice to the neighbors

1834
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,199
by putting a placard as to who that

1835
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,560
24hour 7 days a week response person is

1836
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,000
as well as if law enforcements get

1837
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,719
called they know who to contact. Um and

1838
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,640
that the tenants know of what the

1839
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,679
expectations are as well. Um, there

1840
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:41,600
would be some uh limitations on

1841
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,920
advertising. They'd have to list their

1842
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,320
short-term rental license number. They'd

1843
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,199
have to uh only be able to to advertise

1844
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,000
for what they actually can, you know,

1845
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,960
use that property for. So, again,

1846
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,719
accommodations only. You can't advertise

1847
01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:58,320
it as this is a great place to hold a

1848
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,239
corporate event. This is a great uh

1849
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,400
wedding venue. Um, that's not for

1850
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,239
overnight accommodations. So, they

1851
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,239
couldn't advertise for that. And then

1852
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:09,120
again, um, uh, payment of any, uh,

1853
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,199
transient room tax, all fees, and then

1854
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,760
if there's, um, issues with enforcement,

1855
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,480
the obtain three violations in any

1856
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,719
12-month period, uh, the city could

1857
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:23,360
revoke or suspend that short-term rental

1858
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,120
license, and then prohibit them from

1859
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,600
obtaining one in the future if the city

1860
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,440
so chose.

1861
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,320
So, that's again the 5,000 ft view of

1862
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,719
option two.

1863
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,960
Option three

1864
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,080
is basically the next step and that

1865
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,239
would be you keep all the same terms of

1866
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,679
option of option two the owner occupied

1867
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:48,239
but then you introduce a second tier and

1868
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:50,880
that second tier would be the nonowner

1869
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,040
occupied STR

1870
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,600
and these uh would have all of the same

1871
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,400
regulations imposed upon them except for

1872
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,320
they would have three potentially

1873
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,360
additional regulations and one would be

1874
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,080
a density requirement and I' I've

1875
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,360
provided here two different density

1876
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,320
um mitigations. One is you do it a

1877
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,239
thousand feet or whatever the distance

1878
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:16,080
the council feels as the appropriate

1879
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,320
distance and you do it as the crow flies

1880
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,480
between property line to property line.

1881
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,480
That way you don't end up with three or

1882
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:25,679
four STRs clustered right in the same um

1883
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:28,080
same street, same culde-sac and so a

1884
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,239
neighbor doesn't have a whole bunch of

1885
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,480
vacant STRs around them. So, are we

1886
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,760
talking radius or just linear?

1887
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,280
>> It would be radius. You would go from

1888
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:38,880
property line to property line in a

1889
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,920
radial corner of the property line.

1890
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,920
>> From any property line to any property,

1891
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,920
>> the other option is that you look at it

1892
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,719
through our neighborhood. Um, we already

1893
01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:52,480
have divided ORM into several

1894
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,960
neighborhoods. Um, you would start with

1895
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,159
a base of each neighborhood would have

1896
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:01,120
uh the ability to have two nonowner

1897
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,440
occupied STR uh licenses issued for that

1898
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,520
neighborhood and then you would add one

1899
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,960
non-owner occupied STR per 100 single

1900
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,840
family detached dwellings.

1901
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,080
So that could increase. Um, as you

1902
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,520
notice in there though, there is no

1903
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,000
spacing requirement. So you could end up

1904
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,430
with clustering.

1905
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:28,000
The uh second would be a safe pedestrian

1906
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,800
restriction and that is as you look at

1907
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,320
um

1908
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,159
uh

1909
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,320
what has ORM school district decided its

1910
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,040
name is I don't know

1911
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:44,320
>> so as temponogus is required to um do a

1912
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,159
safe walking plan for each elementary

1913
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,640
and junior high u we'd want to ensure

1914
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,760
that if there's a non-owner occupied STR

1915
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,920
um that they're not in that safe

1916
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,800
pedestrian zone and so we would restrict

1917
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,320
them,000 ft or what again whatever the

1918
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,640
council feels comfortable based on that

1919
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,960
pedestrian travel from this the

1920
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,960
elementary or the junior.

1921
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,199
>> So would that be from like crosswalks

1922
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:12,400
fors?

1923
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,600
>> Yep.

1924
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,280
So you would go from the the nearest

1925
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,719
entrance of the school, you would do it

1926
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,400
as a pedestrian travel and if it's in

1927
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,520
within a thousand feet of that

1928
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,080
pedestrian travel

1929
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,199
prohibiting it.

1930
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,719
The third would be potentially a

1931
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:29,679
numerical cap and that numerical cap is

1932
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:32,480
again would be set on based on a number

1933
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:34,880
that the council feels comfortable with.

1934
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,400
Uh, as a placeholder, I've put up 100

1935
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,440
non occupied STR licenses would be

1936
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:45,280
eligible throughout the city. Um, these

1937
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,880
would be the over and above requirements

1938
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,120
on

1939
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,960
non-owner occupied STRs.

1940
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,280
with those 5,000 foot view of each of

1941
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,320
these options

1942
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,760
kind of want to open it up to a

1943
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,440
discussion amongst the council and see

1944
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:09,840
where there's alignment or comfort with

1945
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,840
a different approach.

1946
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:12,719
Um,

1947
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:14,640
>> I have a question back on the previous

1948
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,880
slide. Number of non-owner occupied.

1949
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,000
>> I know I've asked this before,

1950
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,760
so please forgive my

1951
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,120
um, do we know how many non-owner

1952
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,239
occupied STRs there are in ORM?

1953
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,360
>> I do not have any reliable number that I

1954
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,560
can give you. Okay,

1955
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,640
>> I can tell you and and the reason I

1956
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,320
don't have a reliable number is ORM has

1957
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,880
never tracked this. We've never had an

1958
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,920
STR license program. So, we've never ask

1959
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,760
for owner occupied versus non-owner

1960
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,480
occupied. Um, if you go out to the

1961
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,960
internet and look at different websites,

1962
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,320
there are different met there are

1963
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,040
different numbers that you can find. Um,

1964
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,199
air what does it say? It's air ROI is a

1965
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,040
website that show gives a whole bunch of

1966
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,280
different market analytics for STRs.

1967
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,600
They anticipate that 80% of ORM's STR

1968
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,360
U market is nonowner occupied.

1969
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:16,000
>> 80

1970
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,560
>> 80% is what air error ROI says. Is that

1971
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,639
a valid number? I don't know.

1972
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:27,600
>> And that's based on uh income records.

1973
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,400
That's based I don't know how they've or

1974
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,960
derived at that number. They're they're

1975
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,480
looking at ads and they're saying if

1976
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,040
it's for a whole home or whole town home

1977
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,000
or whole apartment we believe 80% of

1978
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,320
those are are nonowner occupied

1979
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,159
commercial. They're commercial

1980
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,760
>> full commercialities.

1981
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,280
>> Yeah. If you take the number which we

1982
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,199
believe is to be somewhat accurate in

1983
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:54,560
the area of 230 to 250

1984
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,120
STRs operating in the city, that puts

1985
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,199
the number around 160 to 180. Again, I

1986
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,960
can't say that that's reliable. I'm just

1987
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,320
letting you know what I've seen on the

1988
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,280
internet.

1989
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,800
>> Well, I'd like to put that in context,

1990
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,400
too. I think I mean the numbers we're

1991
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,880
talking about here of STRs generally is

1992
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,199
less than 1% of our entire housing

1993
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,199
market. And then the number of owner

1994
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,840
occupied is less than that or you know,

1995
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,400
non-owner occupied. It's about 6%,

1996
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,320
>> right? But 1%

1997
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,199
of how many houses do we have?

1998
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,239
>> I believe we have 33,000 dwelling units

1999
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:29,360
in the city.

2000
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,520
>> So, if you do half of those, I was just

2001
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,840
doing some math. You do half of the

2002
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,320
>> Let's say we did half or single family.

2003
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,639
I don't know what that number is. How

2004
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,080
many single family homes we have? Is

2005
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,600
that 33,000? That's including

2006
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,080
apartments.

2007
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,760
>> That's including apartments,

2008
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,520
multifamily. 20 around 24,000.

2009
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,360
>> Yeah, I unfortunately I don't have that

2010
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,000
number off the top of my head.

2011
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,440
>> Don't know everything.

2012
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:57,920
>> I wish I wish it. It's just not it's

2013
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,159
just not on his right there. I'll

2014
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:01,760
>> I'll go ahead and if you can go back to

2015
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,199
the three options.

2016
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:09,440
I'll just throw it out there to start the conversation or people like

2017
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,840
whatever is just to tell you where I

2018
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,600
stand and I'm not expecting all of you

2019
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,920
to take a position this unless you would

2020
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,520
like to and just talk about it because

2021
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,960
we're not doing we're not voting or

2022
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,920
anything but I just want to tell you

2023
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,159
where I'm at right now.

2024
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,360
I I am not

2025
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,360
option one I I don't want to have a

2026
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,199
complete ban on them. Option two, I'm

2027
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:35,040
comfortable with only owner occupied.

2028
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,280
I'm okay with that. That's kind of where

2029
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,040
I'm sitting. I'm still really struggling

2030
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,120
with option three.

2031
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,880
I think the numbers that would make me

2032
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,880
feel comfortable for with option three,

2033
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,360
the number of total units

2034
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,280
is probably going to be much much lower

2035
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,280
than

2036
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,400
what's been presented because I really I

2037
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:03,280
do have my some I have concerns, but I'm most interested in option two at

2038
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,840
this point, but I'm still open to ideas.

2039
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,040
I haven't I haven't shut the door

2040
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,719
completely on option three. I just want

2041
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:10,400
to hear what your what your thoughts

2042
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,639
are. And there I just so that's where I

2043
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:16,639
stand right now.

2044
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:19,120
>> May Mayor, I'm happy to to share a

2045
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,360
couple of ideas if that's helpful.

2046
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,159
>> Yeah.

2047
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:26,960
>> Um I I just am so grateful to our

2048
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,719
residents who have been, you know,

2049
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:32,400
really active in helping us think

2050
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,920
through this. Um I you know I I think

2051
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,159
I've heard uh more from people on this

2052
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:40,000
topic than any other topic since I've

2053
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,880
been a a council member and uh so many

2054
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,120
of those those resident comments are are

2055
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,960
just really thoughtful.

2056
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,560
>> We're not laughing at you, Quinn. We're

2057
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,880
just laughing because we we with you.

2058
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,000
>> I feel your pain.

2059
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,239
>> Feel it. Yes. Same.

2060
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:57,120
Well, you know, I mean, it uh obviously

2061
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,800
people have have strong feelings about

2062
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,679
it, but but I really genuinely

2063
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:03,760
u feel like I'm better better educated

2064
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,560
on this topic because of of the the

2065
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,880
range of insight that people have

2066
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,199
provided. And so, I just I just want to

2067
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,280
acknowledge um how important this is to

2068
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,440
people uh how thoughtful they are in

2069
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:18,080
helping us think through it. Um I I feel

2070
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,600
like I've learned a lot from a lot of

2071
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,360
people.

2072
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,360
Um, you know, the way the way I think

2073
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,600
about this is is I'm I'm trying to

2074
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,639
figure out at the at the base, you know,

2075
01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:30,000
in agreement with the principles we've

2076
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,440
discussed previously, what are the

2077
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,080
problems we're trying to solve? And I

2078
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,679
think there are problems that we need to

2079
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:40,320
solve. So, you know, um, we we want

2080
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,920
any of these properties to not be a

2081
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,360
nuisance with parking or lighting or

2082
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,080
safety. Um, we want that, you know, an

2083
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,679
ordinance to be easily enforceable. We

2084
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,040
don't want to put the enforcement on

2085
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:53,440
neighbors. That's really important. We I think we all really want to

2086
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,199
preserve the character of our

2087
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:57,760
neighborhoods and and

2088
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,199
u that's really important to me. Um, as

2089
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:06,560
I look at the options that Jake presented, um,

2090
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:12,639
again, u, you know, I, uh, if I had to choose today, I really think that

2091
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:14,960
some version of the two-tier system

2092
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,400
makes sense, um, for me. And the reason

2093
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,280
for that is that I think all of those

2094
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,080
problems that we've heard about can be

2095
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,880
resolved within the context of that. um

2096
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,639
the numbers that we're looking at there

2097
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:30,800
that Jake's presented in any of those

2098
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,239
iterations is really just a fraction of

2099
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:38,320
1% of our residences. So, so the the

2100
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,239
chance that uh any individual resident

2101
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:45,600
um will be surrounded by u Airbnbs is

2102
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,719
just, you know, minutely low um with an

2103
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,880
ordinance like this. And so I I feel

2104
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,639
like there are really um good ways of

2105
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:56,480
resolving all of those those challenges

2106
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:59,520
that people uh have raised. And I think

2107
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,360
we do need to be conservative about the

2108
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,679
way in which we

2109
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,960
uh you know we uh allow people to

2110
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,080
operate these within our community uh to

2111
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,920
meet you know the the challenges that have been raised over and over

2112
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,199
again. But I I do want uh to keep that

2113
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:24,400
in perspective in terms of this just the tiny scale uh of of numbers there.

2114
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,960
Um and the I I I just want to thank Jake

2115
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,639
um in particular for thinking through

2116
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:33,280
all of the ways in which we can enforce

2117
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,600
these in in a meaningful way that make

2118
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:40,000
it just um easy to control nuisance. Now

2119
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,120
that doesn't mean that we'll never have

2120
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,400
a problem. Um, but I have heard from

2121
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,800
dozens and dozens of residents u that

2122
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,239
they value having the opportunity to

2123
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:54,239
rent their home uh in this context um or

2124
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:55,920
that they value the opportunity to bring

2125
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,440
family in to um visit for a family

2126
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,760
reunion and that that having some

2127
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,280
opportunity

2128
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,040
um to bring those benefits to our

2129
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,800
residents is important to me. Thanks.

2130
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,199
>> Thank you um Council Member Makin. I

2131
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,400
appreciate your thoughts and I just want

2132
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,400
to echo what you said. I appreciate

2133
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,560
those who've engaged with us as a

2134
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,960
council and staff to share their

2135
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,960
thoughts and their opinions. I have this

2136
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,639
binder with information and I've read

2137
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,760
every email and I I appreciate the input

2138
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,159
on all sides of the issues of the of the

2139
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,480
issue. So, any other council members

2140
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,920
want to comment?

2141
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,600
>> I'll I'll weigh in. Um, thanks Quinn.

2142
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,520
Um,

2143
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:44,480
I I feel comfortable with option two.

2144
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,840
Um, I go back and forth with option

2145
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,880
three with extreme

2146
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,880
guardrails.

2147
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,400
Um,

2148
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,199
and well, you you had a number of

2149
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:00,960
hundred. Um, and I go back to something

2150
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,679
that Councilman Philpac said, we don't

2151
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:05,199
want hotels in the middle of our

2152
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:06,880
neighborhoods.

2153
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,280
So I I at this point I would say I'm

2154
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,520
comfortable with option two. Um could be

2155
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,360
persuaded

2156
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:18,229
uh with very limited

2157
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,239
depending on circumstances and

2158
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,080
situations

2159
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,400
uh option three.

2160
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,639
Um but but I feel very comfortable with

2161
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:29,920
option two. Um, I would, and I don't

2162
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,080
know, it seems like somewhere along the

2163
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,600
way in some of the correspondence,

2164
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,840
this may have been

2165
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,239
uh years ago or months ago, and maybe

2166
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,400
I'm making it up, but it seemed like

2167
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,000
there was a question. someone that came

2168
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,960
and talked to us talked about

2169
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,159
uh having a property

2170
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:53,040
next door to so

2171
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,920
and my concern with about the non-owner

2172
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,080
occupied is that every concern that

2173
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,840
we've had has come from a nonowner

2174
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,719
non-owner occupied.

2175
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:08,960
I don't think it's ever come or that I'm aware of that we've had

2176
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,440
concerns raised from a property where

2177
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:14,800
the owner is on site. So my other

2178
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,199
question is if there were a situation

2179
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:20,000
where someone had I guess it wouldn't

2180
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,360
really be owner occupied if they didn't

2181
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,719
live there, but if they had a property

2182
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:26,080
next door, they could respond

2183
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,080
um to an immediate concern. I would be

2184
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,840
interested in exploring that as well.

2185
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,480
But maybe that just maybe that makes it

2186
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:36,960
more complicated

2187
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,159
in in weighing those two uh situations

2188
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:42,320
>> makes it a little bit more complicated

2189
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,480
as far as what we can and can't do. Did

2190
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,400
I make does anyone remember someone

2191
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,920
talking to I think it was in an email

2192
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,440
about that

2193
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,360
>> comment meeting during the meeting

2194
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:54,960
somebody said that I live next door to

2195
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,480
my for example my father's home some of

2196
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,239
the past and now we're we keep the home

2197
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,639
and we use it for STRs except when our

2198
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:02,320
family comes and we use it for them to

2199
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,040
be housed in

2200
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,600
>> but it was someone who owns an old house

2201
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,320
STR not their previous they bought the

2202
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,320
house next door to them

2203
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,480
>> and they live in then they live next

2204
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:13,199
door next door

2205
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:14,400
>> so it wasn't their family home or

2206
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,000
anything it's an investment

2207
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:16,639
Oh, got it.

2208
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,360
>> They rented out long term but then found

2209
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,760
it more profitable to rent out TR.

2210
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,159
>> So the way we would approach that is one

2211
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,080
I wouldn't want to expand the definition

2212
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,280
of what owner occupied means um beyond

2213
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:32,560
what the traditional understanding of

2214
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,440
owner occupied. What that then does is

2215
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,440
it creates where we would say if you are

2216
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,120
a resident of or if you live x far away

2217
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,040
from a home, we will treat you

2218
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,960
differently than we would treat anybody

2219
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,360
else. And what that does is it opens us

2220
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,000
up to litigation for violating the

2221
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,760
commerce clause and where we would be

2222
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,600
treating insters very differently than

2223
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,120
outsters.

2224
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,400
And so that's where it becomes very

2225
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,000
calm.

2226
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,440
>> Thank you for letting me think through

2227
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,920
that

2228
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,480
your visiting.

2229
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:07,600
Uh, first of all, I also echo what Karen

2230
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,360
and Quinn and I have said as well about

2231
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:10,639
resident input. We've gotten tons of

2232
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:12,159
input about this and I feel like the

2233
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:13,679
residents have really been thoughtful in

2234
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:16,639
the way we handle it. Um, having lived

2235
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:18,719
here in Airbnb, you know, I don't want

2236
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,960
to see 25 cars out there and we saw that

2237
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,239
regularly. So, I understand that there

2238
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,800
are valid concerns and that I understand

2239
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,400
that people that have have these

2240
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,239
Airbnbs, you know, where they trying to

2241
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:29,199
stay in their home and this allows them

2242
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:30,159
to do that. So, I think there really

2243
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:31,760
good arguments on both sides of this

2244
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,760
question. My question really is though,

2245
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,760
are we trying to regulate ownership or

2246
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,480
are we trying to regulate impact?

2247
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,239
And I think how you answer that question

2248
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:42,000
maybe speaks to us a little bit. I don't

2249
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,120
know that it matters. I don't think the

2250
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,960
residents really care who owns the house

2251
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,120
as long as the impact is being managed.

2252
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,719
And I think that option three um with a

2253
01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,880
specific set of guard rails allows us to

2254
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,679
manage the impact in a way that is you

2255
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:57,760
know maybe fair to everyone involved. I

2256
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:58,880
think the other thing too is when we

2257
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,400
talk about these Airbnbs that have been

2258
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,600
problems and there have been some

2259
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,000
significant problems um our our hands

2260
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,120
were kind of tied in a lot of ways

2261
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,639
because we didn't have regulations on

2262
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:07,760
the books. So I think that the

2263
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:09,280
regulations act as guardrails that

2264
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:10,719
protect the neighbors and protect the

2265
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,800
property owner and with you know a

2266
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,320
reasonable set of regulations we can say

2267
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,719
look you have the opportunity to try it

2268
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:18,560
strikes you out if it doesn't work then

2269
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:19,679
you lose the opportunity and we're done.

2270
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:21,040
We close the books we move on from that.

2271
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,960
So um I think you've done an excellent

2272
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,120
job with option three. I read through

2273
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,560
your proposed legislation and I think

2274
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,400
you did a really good job balancing all

2275
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:29,679
the different viewpoints in a way that

2276
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:32,320
feels really fair to everyone and allows

2277
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,120
people latitude to live and protect the

2278
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,239
neighborhoods is like the number one

2279
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,320
priority. So I think you did support

2280
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,199
option three.

2281
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:41,040
>> Thank you. And Jen, I just want to echo

2282
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,760
I you actually asked the question that I

2283
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,840
I've had here is as a way to help

2284
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,760
facilitate the discussion is are we

2285
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,159
trying to regulate behavior or are we

2286
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:53,280
trying to regulate identity? And and I

2287
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,040
think people are coming at this with

2288
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,480
different perspectives and some do want

2289
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:58,719
to regulate identity and some are trying

2290
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,480
to regulate behavior.

2291
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:01,920
>> Does that Yeah,

2292
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,199
>> go ahead and finish your sentence.

2293
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:04,480
>> I was going to say does that does that

2294
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,400
help you move the conversation forward?

2295
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,280
>> To answer your question um ownership

2296
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,000
versus behav impact. I think from my

2297
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,440
feeling that I do answer to me is yes

2298
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,920
because I think owners

2299
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:19,600
if the owner is living in the

2300
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,840
neighborhood

2301
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,920
that there's a more sensitivity to

2302
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,159
what's happening

2303
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:29,920
as it kind of it affects the impact but

2304
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,520
also the owner is part of the

2305
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,960
neighborhood and is integrated and and

2306
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,639
being part of that connection that's

2307
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:40,159
there and and can help regulate that

2308
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:42,480
impact. So, it's kind for me it's kind

2309
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:44,080
of both.

2310
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:45,760
>> Yeah. And I can see that side of it. And

2311
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,560
I think also um you know, if you have a

2312
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:49,679
strict set of guidelines and

2313
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:51,679
regulations, these owners are going to

2314
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,120
be motivated to be nice neighbors

2315
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:54,239
because if they don't, they lose their

2316
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:55,040
license.

2317
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,320
>> So, I think that maybe is a natural

2318
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,400
guardrail that sort of speaks to that um

2319
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,040
and helps you know everybody.

2320
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,840
>> Now, on the guard rail with a is three

2321
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,320
strikes, is that a legally for lack of

2322
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:07,920
legally magic number?

2323
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,440
>> No, not a magic number.

2324
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:10,616
>> So, they

2325
01:36:10,616 --> 01:36:11,840
[clears throat] Plus, I think there's

2326
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,199
the requirement that you have to have

2327
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:15,760
somebody within 10 minutes or 20 minutes

2328
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,000
to, you know, to address whatever issue

2329
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,360
there is.

2330
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,960
>> So, I'm not sure that

2331
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,960
>> three is not any sort of a magic number.

2332
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,679
>> Yeah, it could be two. We could do one,

2333
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:28,239
>> but again, we threw three to give a

2334
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,239
little bit more due process.

2335
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,960
>> Okay. But yeah, I mean

2336
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,816
>> you only get one red card in soccer

2337
01:36:36,816 --> 01:36:41,910
[laughter]

2338
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,719
» in a swim meet. You only get one you get

2339
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:46,880
zero false start.

2340
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,159
>> You're out.

2341
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:50,080
>> There you go.

2342
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,360
>> Anybody going to want to share where

2343
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:52,560
they're at?

2344
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,920
>> I am in favor of option one and I could

2345
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,800
be persuaded to option two. And the

2346
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,560
thing that I'm caught up on here is one

2347
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,000
of Quinn's things that he said was

2348
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,920
easily enforceable is I don't feel like

2349
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:10,159
any of this is easily enforcable. The onus is put on the neighbors to

2350
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:12,320
regulate this. If there's a problem, it

2351
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,320
is on them to complain about the

2352
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,480
problems that they are experiencing. And

2353
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,719
that's the the piece that still has not

2354
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,600
been answered for me. And um in talking

2355
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,119
with

2356
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:24,719
people all over the city through their

2357
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,960
emails and after, you know, public

2358
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,560
comments and things like that and asking

2359
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,960
them, hey, well, what about an only

2360
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,880
owner occupied thing? They said, okay,

2361
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,800
but if there's a problem, it's still I

2362
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,400
have to complain. I have to be the bad

2363
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,199
guy. I have to

2364
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:41,520
>> I have to be the one who's on it all the

2365
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,000
time and providing pictures and the onus

2366
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,000
is still on the neighbors when there is

2367
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,800
a problem. And so that's the piece that

2368
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,840
I still I don't like putting that onus

2369
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,159
on residents that when there is a

2370
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:57,840
problem, they have to complain and complain and complain

2371
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,159
>> to see any change.

2372
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:01,520
>> I I think you could make that same

2373
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:02,960
argument though for anything, you know,

2374
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,320
whether that's a long-term rental next

2375
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:05,760
door or whether that's somebody's shed

2376
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,920
out back. Like I think any situations

2377
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:09,679
you could rely on the neighbors to

2378
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:11,520
enforce. So to me, I feel like I'm not

2379
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:12,000
sure that

2380
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,199
>> the difference between a long-term

2381
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:15,600
rental and a short-term rental is that

2382
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:16,960
long-term rental, it's the same people

2383
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,800
who are there time after time after

2384
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,719
time. And the short-term rental, it's I

2385
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,560
don't know what I'm getting every day of

2386
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,400
the week. I don't know if it's going to

2387
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,000
be a quiet night or if it's going to be

2388
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,040
a loud party night. And that's a hard

2389
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,520
uncertainty to live with. I think

2390
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,679
>> in a neighborhood, I think the owner

2391
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:37,199
occupied reduces that stress level a

2392
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:40,239
bit. And so I could I could be persuaded

2393
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,400
to the owner occupied,

2394
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,159
but until we can answer that piece of

2395
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:47,600
the equation, I don't like putting the

2396
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,639
hotel in a neighborhood that means now

2397
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:52,880
the neighbors have to regulate that over

2398
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,960
and over and over and over again. They

2399
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,480
signed up to live in a single family

2400
01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:58,159
home neighborhood. They didn't sign up

2401
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:01,199
to live in a commercial area where

2402
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:05,440
hotels are allowed.

2403
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:08,000
So, and I'm gonna Oh, well, I want to

2404
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,600
add to that, too,

2405
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,239
>> because I'm here because I'm on the same

2406
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:15,840
page. I our neighborhood commission

2407
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,960
said they wanted total prohibition. They

2408
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,239
asked the they surveyed their residents

2409
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:23,840
and

2410
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,040
se it was really interesting to see one

2411
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,719
member of the commission come back and

2412
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:31,679
say, you know, I didn't realize that I

2413
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:34,400
had two down the street from me and that

2414
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,480
the neighbors next door were frustrated

2415
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:39,280
with those that they didn't want to talk

2416
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,119
about their neighbors. They didn't want

2417
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,080
to complain because um a couple of them

2418
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,400
have these three um another in another

2419
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,280
area. They knew the owners because they

2420
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,679
had previously lived in the home and

2421
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:54,560
they were now renting it out as a

2422
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,199
short-term rental. So, there's that. I

2423
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:58,320
don't want to be the rat.

2424
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:59,040
>> Non-owner.

2425
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,199
occupied. Yeah. I don't want

2426
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:03,280
to be the one ratting people out here.

2427
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:08,239
friend. So that onus on the neighbor, um

2428
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:10,320
I think there it's just boiling behind

2429
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,119
the below the surface so many times.

2430
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,199
That's not fair.

2431
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,280
That's not equitable.

2432
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,320
That's not renewing what we've decided

2433
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,199
our values were there in my opinion.

2434
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:25,440
How is it different than a long ter, you

2435
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,440
know, a renter next door that's longterm

2436
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:29,119
that's problematic or or any of those

2437
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:30,639
things? and especially if it's report

2438
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:32,000
the reporting is anonymous which it is

2439
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,280
in either case.

2440
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,440
>> Um how is it different? Um it's not. We

2441
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:38,719
are have a serious problem with

2442
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:41,040
long-term rentals right now and that's

2443
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,600
our next thing to tackle.

2444
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,600
So why would we pass something based on

2445
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,480
a failing model?

2446
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:49,840
>> Well, I think the model is that

2447
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,360
residents all of us have a civic

2448
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,119
responsibility or I guess opportunity to

2449
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,119
mention things that areating to us. So

2450
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:58,480
whether that's reporting an STR or

2451
01:40:58,480 --> 01:40:59,520
whether that's reporting that somebody's

2452
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:00,880
grass isn't the right size or you know

2453
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,880
whatever it is. So I not sure that

2454
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,480
that's maybe our best option. And I

2455
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:06,400
think the other option I have is we

2456
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:06,960
start talking about

2457
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,199
>> Oh wait no before you move on. I don't

2458
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:12,239
agree with that. I don't think our

2459
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:15,360
residents when they move into a home are

2460
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,239
signing up to being the police of their

2461
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:21,520
neighborhood and talk complaining about

2462
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,440
I mean we don't want that, right? That

2463
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:25,040
doesn't create connectivity and

2464
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,600
community. We don't want them to feel

2465
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:32,000
like we are um we're delegating that to

2466
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,360
them because that's just the way it's

2467
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,119
going to turn out. You know, I I just

2468
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:37,679
don't

2469
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:40,000
>> Well, maybe I just throw something in

2470
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,719
really quick. Um along those same lines

2471
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:44,320
though,

2472
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,159
that's true with any neighborhood. None

2473
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:47,600
of us want to move into a neighborhood

2474
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,920
where we have problem neighbors, but we

2475
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,239
all

2476
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:55,520
probably may have a neighbor that's owns

2477
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:56,719
their property that's living there

2478
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:59,040
that's not an STR

2479
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,080
with. So that's I mean that's just part

2480
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,639
of living in a community is you don't

2481
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,119
pick your neighbors, but you try to be

2482
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:12,239
the best neighbors that you can. Um, so

2483
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:14,320
I mean that's I don't know that we that

2484
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,840
any of us sign up for or get additional

2485
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,840
responsibility to rat on our neighbors.

2486
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:20,960
That's just part of living in a

2487
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:21,280
community,

2488
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,440
>> right? But passing this ordinance, we

2489
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:26,560
are creating that. So right now the

2490
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,480
total prohibition where our law now

2491
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,159
stands

2492
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:33,119
um we have a tight clamp on that. Well,

2493
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,760
we will this has been we all know the

2494
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,880
history here. we introduce

2495
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:40,880
more legislation

2496
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,239
that creates this opportunity or a

2497
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:46,480
change in the neighborhood from what

2498
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,199
Chris said from a purely residential to

2499
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:52,159
now an investment commercial venture a a

2500
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:54,560
business if you will.

2501
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,400
We are then putting that on the

2502
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,719
neighbors who have lived there under the

2503
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:02,480
expectation that they live in a

2504
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:04,719
residential area.

2505
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:07,679
So, while that does exist with long-term

2506
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:09,360
rentals,

2507
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,639
>> it doesn't justify adding another

2508
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:12,960
ownership.

2509
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,560
>> Yeah, but but that was her example was

2510
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,800
the long-term rentals. Um, it doesn't

2511
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:22,960
necessarily justify adding another um,

2512
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,280
you know, expectation

2513
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,440
on our residents.

2514
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:28,960
>> Well, maybe too, I'd see it a little bit

2515
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,560
differently. I see it as an opportunity

2516
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,239
to provide them a toolkit. So, when

2517
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:33,840
there are issues, oh, here's the rules.

2518
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,199
that we can we all know what the rules

2519
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:36,960
are and we can go sort of enforce those

2520
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,159
rather than just a vague complaint when

2521
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:39,600
we don't have answers for now. There's a

2522
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,280
specific action item that happens,

2523
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,679
>> but we're creating that

2524
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:44,960
>> that could be debated. I think the other

2525
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,159
question I would have is, okay, well,

2526
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,000
we're going to say, you know, short-term

2527
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:48,960
rentals are a nuisance to the

2528
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,480
neighborhood. Well, what about

2529
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,000
daycarees? What about the guy making

2530
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,920
tamales out of his house? What about all

2531
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,520
these cottage industry sort of gig

2532
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,639
economy things that

2533
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:58,480
>> one doesn't justify another?

2534
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,239
>> Just because someone else is disobeying

2535
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:03,119
the law doesn't mean we allow this.

2536
01:44:03,119 --> 01:44:04,639
Well, well, let's just give in and let's

2537
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:06,719
make it legal.

2538
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:09,280
>> However, I I will just speak to maybe a

2539
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,800
little bit of that is we do allow for

2540
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,679
some home occupation businesses. So, we

2541
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:15,600
do allow for some commercial operation

2542
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,600
within residential, right? I think the

2543
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,800
question is what is the tipping point?

2544
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,639
And I think everybody may be coming at

2545
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:24,560
this with maybe a little bit different.

2546
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:27,520
You know, where are you okay with having

2547
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,280
commercial venture in a residential

2548
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,000
zone? And so where is that tipping point

2549
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,880
for you that that moves a residential

2550
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,639
neighborhood into more of a commercial

2551
01:44:36,639 --> 01:44:39,440
use? Is that

2552
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,360
you can you can run a daycare as long as

2553
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,040
it doesn't create any impact under the

2554
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,600
home occupation or you can make food out

2555
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,920
of your home and sell it at a at a

2556
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,679
farmers market. Um but is it now that we

2557
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:55,199
go to an STR operation is that too far?

2558
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:57,280
That's I think that's the conversation.

2559
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:57,679
Right.

2560
01:44:57,679 --> 01:44:59,679
>> Right. And I apologize. I want Crystal

2561
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:04,310
to be able to finish her.

2562
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,360
I did have one other reason

2563
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,440
for

2564
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:12,400
referring option one. I am worried about

2565
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,760
society that we are turning our housing

2566
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,639
stock into investments for people and

2567
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:22,639
that that will a continue to inflate the

2568
01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:25,440
price of housing and then make it less

2569
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:28,560
affordable for people. Again, it's why I

2570
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:30,639
could kind of see option two where it

2571
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:33,600
allows people to more afford their home

2572
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,280
and have that opportunity for home

2573
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,600
ownership. You have an ADU, you can rent

2574
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,040
that out either as a long-term or

2575
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,639
short-term rental that covers part of

2576
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:43,360
your mortgage payment. So, I'm still

2577
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:46,719
wrapping my brain around that part.

2578
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,400
But especially as a mom of young kids

2579
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,960
that are going to be going out into the

2580
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,520
world and trying to afford homes soon,

2581
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,800
the more we we move towards

2582
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,119
incentivizing people to turn housing

2583
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:01,040
stock into

2584
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,360
an investment

2585
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,880
uh product. Um especially as we allow

2586
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,199
the the property tax exemption for

2587
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:10,960
primary residences and things like that

2588
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,080
statewide. Um I really worry about the

2589
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,800
ownership or the the affordability ORM

2590
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,560
is already having that affordability

2591
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:23,040
problem and by allowing whole home

2592
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,280
short-term rentals are we contributing

2593
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,040
to that affordability problem that we

2594
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,960
haven't

2595
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,880
and then if I can speak now um I am the

2596
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,280
same way I option one you know I want to

2597
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:36,719
support our neighborhood commission what

2598
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:39,440
they what they uh the survey informal

2599
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:42,000
survey that they did I don't see a need

2600
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,400
I am very every you know I've I'm into

2601
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,000
my fifth year on the council

2602
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,880
from day one, um, housing supply,

2603
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,400
affordability has been just every single

2604
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,239
time at the tip of the governor's tongue

2605
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,159
at all of our, you know, every time a

2606
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,239
development is brought, that issue comes

2607
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:02,800
up. So, why would we take out 240 homes,

2608
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,679
you know, 1%, why would we take those

2609
01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:08,320
off the market? That's a lot of homes.

2610
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,880
when you start looking at families that

2611
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,880
have children that can come to our

2612
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,199
schools that we're now closing because

2613
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,280
we don't have enough families in our in

2614
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:21,520
our you know communities that's another

2615
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,800
topic that we need to consider. So

2616
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:30,080
that's why I I think option one why why

2617
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,480
do we have to prevent present why do we

2618
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:38,480
have to provide a um income related

2619
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:41,280
uh um opportunity

2620
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,280
for people who want to buy homes and

2621
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,040
sell and rent them as short-term

2622
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:49,119
rentals. Now, um to that point, to what

2623
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:50,800
Crystal said, and we've obviously been

2624
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,000
talking because I'm like, "Yeah, those

2625
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,679
are conversations we've both had these

2626
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:57,920
ideas." Um I I'm possibly able to be

2627
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,719
persuaded for option two.

2628
01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:02,480
Um,

2629
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:06,000
but I will say when I hear them say, you

2630
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:12,239
know, it's helping me afford my house, I get that it's also a long-term rental

2631
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:14,400
of your ADU also helps you afford your

2632
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,639
house and you those I've seen those

2633
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:19,920
financial models. Housing is not that um

2634
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,000
you can afford the house with the with

2635
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,920
the ADU payments in there. Um, I mean,

2636
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,040
that's a that's an that's a a a good

2637
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,000
enough or not good enough, but that's an

2638
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,719
additional income as a homeowner, an

2639
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:36,639
owner occupied home through the

2640
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:39,040
long-term rental market. And just as a

2641
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:40,719
personal note, you know, my child's in

2642
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:42,320
Springville because they couldn't even

2643
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:46,719
find an ADU to rent in ORM going to BYU,

2644
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:50,080
right? So, once again, our supply issue.

2645
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,480
Are we clamping down on supply? And just

2646
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:54,880
as an example

2647
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,040
to the inflationary

2648
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,719
um if impact

2649
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:03,040
and I've seen Airbnb they've mar they're

2650
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,360
marketing this they are marketing whole

2651
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:09,199
homes uh if you buy this house this

2652
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:12,639
$600,000 house is a steal because it

2653
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:14,960
really at a short-term rental income

2654
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,600
rate you are creating a home that's

2655
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,800
really worth 750,000

2656
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,239
800,000

2657
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,360
What in the heck is that doing? That is inflating the cost of our

2658
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,440
housing. It's making money to buy

2659
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:29,440
comparables

2660
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:30,880
um

2661
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,199
>> be seen as comparables

2662
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:35,679
to the price of housing the real estate

2663
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:39,119
appraisals. So those are my issues. It's

2664
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:41,600
a it's from a affordability issue, from

2665
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,159
a housing supply issue, from an

2666
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:48,400
inflationary issue. Um I don't see it as

2667
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,480
necessarily something that we have to

2668
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,560
provide. Besides the additional

2669
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,639
>> in addition to

2670
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:58,960
>> um you say it's only one house 1%

2671
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,719
but if we look at these ones that have

2672
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:02,320
been affected the man who woke up and

2673
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,040
had someone swimming in his pool no in

2674
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,480
his backyard pool um it does it's not

2675
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:10,000
just that house it affects all the

2676
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,360
neighbors on street. So that's my

2677
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,159
thoughts that I share

2678
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,080
>> before I steer the conversation into our

2679
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,920
third discussion. And I haven't spoken

2680
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,920
yet. Am I the only one left?

2681
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:22,880
>> Yes.

2682
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,600
>> So I'll be very brief. You ready?

2683
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,080
>> Same as mayor and Jeff.

2684
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:30,239
>> I I'm persuaded that two is probably

2685
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:33,040
where I'd go because I think that's the

2686
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,920
option of either ADU or short-term could

2687
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,679
work. I'm persuaded at a limited tiered

2688
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:42,960
with heavy guard rails and a much lower

2689
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,440
number than what you projected

2690
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:47,280
too

2691
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,400
>> to be mist that's that's again the

2692
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,960
>> close to I think we're close it's just I

2693
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,440
the thought process I know of a couple

2694
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:57,119
that aren't owner occupied that could

2695
01:50:57,119 --> 01:50:58,880
qualify and there's reasons for it so

2696
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,760
that's why I'm not saying no

2697
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,639
>> again don't mean to be that person we

2698
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:06,560
need to break for dinner at briefly

2699
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,119
break for dinner at some point. I don't

2700
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:10,239
know when the best point in your

2701
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:11,199
presentation. I want to keep the

2702
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:13,440
conversation and the momentum going, but

2703
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:15,280
just as you're doing your thing, say

2704
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:16,400
this might be a good point.

2705
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,080
>> This is a natural flow in a natural

2706
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,159
break at this point. So,

2707
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:20,880
>> okay.

2708
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:22,320
>> And then we can move on to where I think

2709
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,560
we'll actually have a lot more consensus

2710
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:25,760
on on

2711
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,920
>> I totally forgot to invite a council

2712
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,080
member to discuss the food. Would you

2713
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,560
Oh, you already stood up. [laughter]

2714
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,600
Thank you. I volunteered.

2715
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:37,199
Father in heaven, we're grateful for

2716
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:38,800
this day, for the opportunities we've

2717
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,480
had to

2718
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:43,040
conduct city business and

2719
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:44,800
deliberate on important issues that will

2720
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,159
affect the citizens of our community.

2721
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:49,920
We're mindful of thy influence and pray

2722
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,159
that it will continue before the food

2723
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:53,440
has been prepared and ask that it might

2724
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,920
nourish and bless our bodies to be

2725
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,320
nourished and strengthened in our daily

2726
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,960
lives. watch over the remainder of the

2727
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,840
events and activities we participate in

2728
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,560
this evening conducting civil civic

2729
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:08,639
duties that were

2730
01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:10,560
responsible to make sure occur in our

2731
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:12,800
fiduciary responsibilities as well.

2732
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,480
Grateful for all the input and all those

2733
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:17,119
who provided it. We continue to feel

2734
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:20,159
that uh collaborative unity that will

2735
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:22,159
strengthen the decisions going forward.

2736
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:23,840
We ask in the name of Jesus Christ.

2737
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,440
Amen.

2738
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:27,040
>> Council members, thank you. Thank you

2739
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,719
for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate

2740
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:31,440
it. All right, we've got dinner here. I

2741
01:52:31,440 --> 02:00:12,470
don't know.

2742
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:14,880
continue.

2743
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,040
>> All right, we'll continue now.

2744
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:21,030
>> Thank you.

2745
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,800
Okay. So if we move on to the next

2746
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:29,280
section, these would be very specific

2747
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:32,880
measures in which we could implement to

2748
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,960
help mitigate some of the concerns that

2749
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:38,000
we've heard over time about STR

2750
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,520
operations and their impact in

2751
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,719
neighborhoods both owner occupied as

2752
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:45,599
well as the non-owner occupied.

2753
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:48,480
uh specifically

2754
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,040
um I mentioned one but I think there

2755
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:54,159
would be a general consensus and if any

2756
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:57,280
of these seem out of line with more

2757
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,199
policies or principles or how you

2758
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:02,639
envision a regulation please speak up.

2759
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:06,000
Um what is first one is you would want

2760
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:09,280
to limit short-term rentals to ensure

2761
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:11,520
that they're only for overnight

2762
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,280
accommodations.

2763
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:17,199
So these do not become open event center

2764
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:22,950
and wedding receptive vag.

2765
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,880
Um so these are really meant for

2766
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,040
visitors who are looking for

2767
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:30,719
accommodations overnight and even their

2768
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:33,760
family. um they want to have access to a

2769
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:34,960
kitchen. They want to have a place they

2770
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:37,920
can put kids down for bed. They can then

2771
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,239
play games with their older kids or if

2772
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:42,480
they want to be managed on the property

2773
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:45,920
but do so in a way that is in line with

2774
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:48,480
where residential use would be and not

2775
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:50,880
just that would be some sort of an

2776
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:51,920
adult.

2777
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,639
>> Right. So I think we might need to

2778
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:57,760
clarify too

2779
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:59,440
hard

2780
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,920
but like the waring events that happened

2781
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:06,159
at the go house right somehow clarifying

2782
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:08,639
I'm hearing you say the family thing are

2783
02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:09,599
you going to talk about that

2784
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:12,560
>> so what I've done is I've taken what in

2785
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:15,440
each of I have I've got a shared folder

2786
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:16,880
in there there is perspective

2787
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:19,360
legislative language um I've taken that

2788
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,599
and I tried to sort it put it as a

2789
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:22,400
summary

2790
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,639
So in in our overnight accommodation

2791
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:27,520
language, there's a much lengthier list

2792
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:33,119
of forden activities as they were. Um

2793
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:34,800
basically what we're trying to do is

2794
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:36,239
this is meant for overnight

2795
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,800
accommodation.

2796
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,920
Um the next would be lighting. Um really

2797
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,719
the only the only complaint as as I've

2798
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:46,639
met with residents

2799
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:48,560
um the only complaint that we've heard

2800
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,119
really about owner occupy short-term

2801
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:53,760
rentals is about those that have

2802
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:55,599
security lighting and somebody who's

2803
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,040
checking in late at night or they're

2804
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,119
coming and going in the early morning

2805
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:00,960
and you've got security lighting that

2806
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:04,080
goes off and that light then trespasses

2807
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:07,840
in the top through their bedroom or

2808
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:09,440
there's some sort of security camera

2809
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,040
that's positioned and so they feel that

2810
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:14,239
there's a a privacy thing uh a privacy

2811
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:16,159
violation or a limitation on their

2812
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:18,000
privacy.

2813
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:19,599
So what we want to do is that any

2814
02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:21,679
security measure of any right they're

2815
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:24,480
shielded in such a way that that doesn't

2816
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:26,960
nothing create a light trespass

2817
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,040
um or have a negative impact on the

2818
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,119
neighbor.

2819
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:33,440
Um next would be a noise and nuisance

2820
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:35,360
control. Really this is going to be

2821
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,920
maintained through quiet hours uh

2822
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:41,360
requirement is that during the weekends

2823
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:45,040
uh 1000 pm to 10:00 a.m. be identified

2824
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:46,800
as the quiet out which means if you have

2825
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,440
a sports court amenity uh pool spa sauna

2826
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,880
um the any of the amenities that would

2827
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:58,480
likely to attract you know noise and

2828
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:01,199
into the evening party something like

2829
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:03,920
that those are to cease operation at 10

2830
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,719
p.m. on the pro and not to begin 10:00

2831
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:08,400
a.m.

2832
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:12,880
on weekdays 10:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. Um,

2833
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:14,560
again, these hours could be adjusted if

2834
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:17,040
the council so desires, but again, the

2835
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,880
thinking of the weekdays is usually

2836
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:20,639
people up and going with school and

2837
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:23,679
work. So, that would be things in a

2838
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:25,679
week.

2839
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:28,159
Um, they adopt a noise management plan

2840
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:30,400
and really that is they could you either

2841
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,080
use, you know, some sort of principal

2842
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:34,480
monitoring device to help help ensure

2843
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:36,639
that there any sort of noise disturbance

2844
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:39,360
on the property. If so, the PR operator

2845
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,599
is alerted to it, mitigate that on their

2846
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:44,000
own rather than having a complaint drawn

2847
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,560
against them. But the other big force,

2848
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,880
the noise management plan is that

2849
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,199
they're informing their tenants on what

2850
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:53,440
the expectations.

2851
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:56,480
Um, so the tenant goes into or the

2852
02:04:56,480 --> 02:05:01,669
renter goes into knowing I can't

2853
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:06,400
be doing I'm not to be

2854
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:08,400
>> we require that on their advertising

2855
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:09,920
materials.

2856
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:12,400
>> Um,

2857
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:14,400
we got some lang. We could look at that.

2858
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:16,880
I'm really hesitant to do too much on

2859
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:18,560
the requirements on the advertisement

2860
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:21,119
language because it is a first amendment

2861
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:24,239
area as well as there's some uh state

2862
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:26,960
legislation that does put us a little

2863
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:32,000
bit um with Nathan's vot um what I'm

2864
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,679
looking at what I'm looking at as far as

2865
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,840
our advertisement language is that

2866
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:38,960
they're notifying the prospective renter

2867
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:40,639
that they are licensed in the city of

2868
02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:44,800
ORM gives them their STRL license number

2869
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:46,880
if an advertisement does not have an

2870
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:48,960
STRL license number because they are not

2871
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:51,280
licensed with the city. It's a renter

2872
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,920
beware. So they putting a notice of

2873
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:57,040
rent. Okay, if they're not even notice

2874
02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,119
then you wherever you're renting from is

2875
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:01,040
probably not

2876
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,199
and then they can't they can't advertise

2877
02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:05,760
for a use.

2878
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:07,440
That's kind of the limitation of what

2879
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:08,880
I've been looking at as far as

2880
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:10,719
advertising.

2881
02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:13,920
really just for them so they don't get a

2882
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,840
strike.

2883
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:21,910
>> We could just definitely back it I guess

2884
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:23,920
» we encourage them to

2885
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,760
>> we absolutely could encourage the best

2886
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:27,840
practice or or something like that.

2887
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,199
Okay.

2888
02:06:29,199 --> 02:06:32,639
>> Um the other main qualitative

2889
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:37,199
regulation is uh noticing and posting

2890
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:39,199
one is we want a game plan to be

2891
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:42,639
installed on every STR of who the

2892
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:45,119
responsible party is. So if a

2893
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:46,880
neighborhood is like hey there's a party

2894
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,560
going on they go over to knock on the

2895
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,159
door.

2896
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:52,320
And you can see the name for it and the

2897
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:54,960
neighborhood the neighbor can choose the

2898
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,920
neighborhood

2899
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:00,400
or do I feel like this isation where I

2900
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:03,119
need to get the neighborhood improvement

2901
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:05,440
involved or if it's after hours do I

2902
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:09,280
need to get a patrol officer the reason

2903
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:11,040
with that name plate the patrol officer

2904
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:13,360
that's responding or the NIT officer

2905
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,800
that responds they have a contact person

2906
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,800
and again if it's after hours name our

2907
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,400
business licensing or may not be

2908
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:24,800
responsive um because nobody's there. Um

2909
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,560
but with that name plate requirement, we

2910
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:29,040
always have access to whoever should be

2911
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:35,350
responding to that property. These all

2912
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:41,830
» um the second portion of this is

2913
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:45,119
uh that there's the 247 uh individual.

2914
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:47,679
So again that they have somebody

2915
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:50,480
that can respond to the home and again

2916
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,480
right now we set it at 40 minutes. That

2917
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,360
time can be adjusted an hour if you want

2918
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:56,880
to give them a little bit longer to

2919
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,119
respond. If you want it to be a shorter

2920
02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:02,480
time 20 minutes uh we could adjust that.

2921
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:04,639
So the requirement is that somebody uh

2922
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:07,119
responds to the property or the owner

2923
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:10,880
group or the owner and can help

2924
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,360
resolve mitigate whatever the nuisance

2925
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:16,880
call is. uh if it's noise influence

2926
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,840
partying, if it's potential drug use,

2927
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,320
something that we could get responsive

2928
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:24,719
and direct actions rather than always

2929
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:26,880
just hey giving a citation or waiting to

2930
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:29,040
give a citation. There can be some sort

2931
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:32,000
of remedy that evening.

2932
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,040
Um also, uh parking requirements and

2933
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:37,040
we'll get into detail more on on the

2934
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:40,880
parking requirements and the maximum

2935
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:42,639
and then they also have to give a

2936
02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:44,800
package to the tenant. has all of this

2937
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,719
information in it as well as other

2938
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:48,880
miscellaneous contact information like

2939
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,239
how do you get a hold of the police if

2940
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:53,040
it's a non-respond uh non-emergency. So

2941
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:55,679
having the non-emergency line, 911, how

2942
02:08:55,679 --> 02:08:57,679
do you get a hold of the fire department

2943
02:08:57,679 --> 02:08:59,760
or what's the garbage pickup? Where do

2944
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,880
you place the garbage cans etc. All the

2945
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:06,239
things that we could do to help minimize

2946
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:10,000
the potential impact.

2947
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,400
Any questions about any of the things

2948
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:15,360
that I've about minus occupancy

2949
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:17,280
requirements and parking because those

2950
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:18,320
are separate slides.

2951
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:21,199
>> Are family reunions considered events or

2952
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:23,119
what?

2953
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:26,400
How about a good solid mate?

2954
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:30,000
Depends on the family

2955
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:32,480
together as a family and you're there

2956
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:34,320
and have a property where you can play

2957
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,280
some games but it's not necessarily that

2958
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:42,390
you know everybody come

2959
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:44,880
good solid

2960
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:46,880
for some families family reunions are

2961
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:51,280
not cool but there's some people Yeah.

2962
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:53,520
>> Hold on.

2963
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:55,520
I don't understand why that's a maybe.

2964
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,679
That's an event. If it's at a house that

2965
02:09:57,679 --> 02:10:00,000
they own, like that one family, she

2966
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,520
said, "We want to keep this house so we

2967
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,520
can have a family reunion there." Then

2968
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:06,239
they're the residential because they're

2969
02:10:06,239 --> 02:10:07,280
they own it.

2970
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:08,800
>> If they are if they're coming together

2971
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,880
as a group of a family and they're

2972
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:12,239
staying there for overnight

2973
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:14,880
accommodations and going to let's say a

2974
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:17,760
BYU football game,

2975
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,199
that I don't think is going to draw any

2976
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:20,800
attention.

2977
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:21,920
I don't know that that would be

2978
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:23,840
necessarily anything other than

2979
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,159
overnight accommodation.

2980
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:28,880
But if you were to say everybody to

2981
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:30,880
family reunion, bring your bring

2982
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:32,560
everybody, bring your friends, come on

2983
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:35,360
over. We're having a barbecue and bring

2984
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,079
100 people there. And it's it's an event

2985
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,800
style. Like when my family reunion

2986
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:43,040
happens up in Bountiful, there's

2987
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:46,400
probably 500

2988
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:52,400
of my kind. We are loud and proud and

2989
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:56,880
>> and I don't think it wants to and so we rent out the pavilion there at

2990
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:59,599
Bountiful Park. It's an event. That's

2991
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:01,199
why I think it's I think it really

2992
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,320
depends on what that event what that is,

2993
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,239
what that use actually.

2994
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:07,760
>> Well, and the limiting factor would be

2995
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,840
the number of cars. That's where they

2996
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:11,280
would be in violation if they've raised

2997
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:11,840
many

2998
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,560
>> or the occupancy of the home itself,

2999
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:17,599
right? If if we're limiting occupances,

3000
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:20,560
get into this in a different slide. If

3001
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:22,639
the home can accommodate a single

3002
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:25,520
family, there's 16 people

3003
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:27,840
and and they have the bedroom have the

3004
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,320
parking available for it and it's a

3005
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,560
single family that's going to be a

3006
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:35,599
valid. But if it's they're bringing 40

3007
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:37,920
people a home that can really truly only

3008
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,400
accommodate six people, I would say

3009
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:43,119
that's a viol. And when you say parking

3010
02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:45,199
are concluding off street parking,

3011
02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:45,760
correct?

3012
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:50,790
>> Yes.

3013
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:54,960
» Yeah. Council member Hine brought up

3014
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:58,229
potential

3015
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:02,400
future consistency to withdraw

3016
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:03,760
everything that you're talking about

3017
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:05,280
here

3018
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,159
has been or could be applied to

3019
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:11,189
regulating.

3020
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:12,800
Absolutely.

3021
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:14,800
And we can look at also adopting a three

3022
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:17,040
strikes policy on our rental building

3023
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,040
license as well. there are things that

3024
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,520
we can look at strengthening that

3025
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:25,280
program after we cross the finish line

3026
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:28,310
here.

3027
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,639
Okay. Um

3028
02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:34,560
as as we talk about enforcement and I uh

3029
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,440
to council member Mule signs point I get

3030
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:40,159
it. People don't want to come in and

3031
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:42,000
have to testify. They don't want to have

3032
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:43,679
to

3033
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:45,840
hold

3034
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:50,320
on. However, at the same time, it is a

3035
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:51,920
multiaceted

3036
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,920
issue, right?

3037
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:56,239
Even if there was a crime, I mean, we

3038
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:58,400
don't have minority reports. We don't

3039
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,480
have any precogs that can tell us who's

3040
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:03,040
going to do what, and we can pre

3041
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:07,199
pre-prosecute crime. Um, on a retail

3042
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:08,800
theft, we're going to respond to

3043
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:11,119
Walmart. The officer is going to meet

3044
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:13,199
with loss prevention. They're going to

3045
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:16,719
get the video and we're still, if we end

3046
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,079
up at trial, we're still going to need

3047
02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:20,000
that loss prevention individual who saw

3048
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,719
the event happen and reported it.

3049
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:23,920
They're still going to need to come in

3050
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,560
and test it. Um, there's always going to

3051
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:30,639
be some component between us physical

3052
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:34,079
evidence of what happened, wiz

3053
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:36,320
then show a violation.

3054
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,800
However, the benefit we have, we are

3055
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:41,280
going to love this advancement

3056
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,560
grounds and that is not the same

3057
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:49,199
evidency standard as the criminal. The

3058
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,360
criminal private is so beyond beyond

3059
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,840
reasoning. We use the highest standard

3060
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:58,400
proof without in our administrative

3061
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,199
process. Um we're using a preponderance

3062
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:04,480
standard which is more likely than not.

3063
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:07,280
We also aren't in a formal evidentiary

3064
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:10,320
setting. So we have access to use

3065
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:12,159
evidence that wouldn't necessarily be

3066
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:14,960
admissible at a trial. Um but often

3067
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,119
times we still need to have somebody be

3068
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:19,520
willing to come in and testify, somebody

3069
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:21,440
willing to take that phone, somebody

3070
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:23,840
willing to make that call. So the

3071
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:26,400
neighbors are a key player in this

3072
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:30,000
process to help ensure that there is I

3073
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,520
don't know client on but then also at

3074
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:38,000
the same time team you have officers

3075
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:40,320
that can respond do an initial

3076
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:42,000
investigation they can do a knock and

3077
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:45,360
talk and see who's in the home going on

3078
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,679
they can make the you know yeah I ar

3079
02:14:47,679 --> 02:14:49,199
arrived on scene and there was a loud

3080
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:51,679
party whatsoever

3081
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:53,040
um and then they can hand that off to

3082
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:56,000
the NIT team to do the following and

3083
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:57,760
then we also use our business licensing

3084
02:14:57,760 --> 02:14:59,760
department and then we end up in the

3085
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:03,440
ALJ. So it it's a multiaceted team. Then

3086
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:04,800
also at the center of all of this is

3087
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,360
we're going to also rely on the STR

3088
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:08,960
operator

3089
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:13,360
to be in compliance with our our so we

3090
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:16,320
do they will

3091
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,199
be active. Um, if I've met with many of

3092
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:22,239
our SD operators, you know, they all

3093
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,400
have been opening. They have been

3094
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:26,079
reasonable. They've all been really good

3095
02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:28,159
toward

3096
02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:29,520
only a handful have been very

3097
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,560
disgruntled and very angry at me. And in

3098
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:34,079
some cases, I can understand their

3099
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,400
perspectives and so far, but at the same

3100
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:39,040
time, I do believe that by and large,

3101
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:41,520
people in ORM are good people and want

3102
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:43,679
to do the right thing. And so, I do

3103
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:45,920
think STR operators fall into that same

3104
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:49,119
group. I do think by and large they will

3105
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:52,719
follow the expectations that are set.

3106
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,320
One of the problems is we just haven't

3107
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:56,239
had any

3108
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:57,920
clear expectations for how those

3109
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,159
operations should occur.

3110
02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:02,880
Um, however, when when an FTR operator

3111
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:04,960
does fall short, we would be looking at

3112
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:08,719
issuing a period type. If they get three

3113
02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:10,719
violations in a rolling 12-month period,

3114
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:12,880
we would be looking at revoking or

3115
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:17,360
suspending that that STR license. Um,

3116
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:19,040
again, the proposed fines right now are

3117
02:16:19,040 --> 02:16:21,840
just proposed. Again, we also understand

3118
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:24,159
this is a communal venture that we may

3119
02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:26,159
be wanting to see an increase in those

3120
02:16:26,159 --> 02:16:28,560
fines. But again, coming from a more

3121
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:31,599
conservative approach, 500 on the first,

3122
02:16:31,599 --> 02:16:34,080
750 on the third, and thousand on the

3123
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:34,719
third,

3124
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:36,559
>> that's how much they make in one day. So

3125
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:37,920
that's like nothing.

3126
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:41,760
>> That that's not um anything that deters

3127
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:43,280
have two issues with this. The the

3128
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,200
amount of those fines is too low. This

3129
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:46,880
is what I'm hearing from residents, too.

3130
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:49,439
and 12 month period should be a 24 if

3131
02:16:49,439 --> 02:16:52,080
we're truly putting up guard rails and

3132
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,479
rolling this out slowly. Let's

3133
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:57,280
experiment to see how many complaints

3134
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:03,840
certain homes get. If they can go for 24 months without three complaints,

3135
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:04,960
you know, most of it's going to be over

3136
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:06,880
the summer.

3137
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:08,880
I think then that then they've proved

3138
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:13,599
themselves as as a sleepy low impact. 24

3139
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:18,160
months is I I think that that would

3140
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,960
because they have three or more in 12

3141
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:25,040
months in order to get their license.

3142
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:27,760
>> But by going to 24 doubling that that

3143
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:30,800
probationary period. So if I get one

3144
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:34,479
next month then I have to be on two

3145
02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:36,880
years. Does that make sense? rather than

3146
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:39,599
just just one year.

3147
02:17:39,599 --> 02:17:41,200
>> Okay? You see what I mean?

3148
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:44,399
>> So they can go July more in a 24 month

3149
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:46,639
period

3150
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:49,120
>> then they get three they're shut down

3151
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:51,359
but that resets after 24 months instead

3152
02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:52,479
of after 12 months.

3153
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:54,000
>> Is it in there that it would reset the

3154
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:54,399
two?

3155
02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:56,639
>> So it resets because it's so

3156
02:17:56,639 --> 02:18:00,880
>> yes but that after 12 months of not

3157
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:02,240
having a complaint because they've been

3158
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,000
shut down

3159
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,479
that's a whole different that's If their

3160
02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:08,880
license is suspended, they would not be

3161
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:11,519
eligible to reapply for an STR for three

3162
02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:14,160
years.

3163
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:15,359
>> That makes sense. What I'm trying to

3164
02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:17,920
say, what I'm saying is if they have

3165
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:19,840
July, you know, the 4th of July is on

3166
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:21,840
Friday and they have the next year the

3167
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,920
4th of July on a Wednesday, the next

3168
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:26,399
year if it's like Thursday, Friday. Oh,

3169
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:28,639
we have three in that year before. Three

3170
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:30,399
complaints, we just made it because we

3171
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:32,559
just had another train this summer. So

3172
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:35,599
now they could get six complaints in two

3173
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:37,200
years.

3174
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:38,559
There's three.

3175
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:40,399
>> So council member Millet, what I'm

3176
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:42,479
hearing is you would be in favor of

3177
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:44,559
increasing the fines and increasing the

3178
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:46,719
probationary

3179
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:48,399
>> is

3180
02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:52,479
any have any thoughts about that?

3181
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:55,200
>> I think I would even increase the length

3182
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:56,960
from three years to five years that they

3183
02:18:56,960 --> 02:18:59,679
couldn't operate.

3184
02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:01,679
I'd like to go through this. What other

3185
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,240
items we have parking yet?

3186
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:05,519
>> Yeah.

3187
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:07,120
>> So, let's finish up.

3188
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:09,760
>> I'll fly through. Okay.

3189
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:10,880
>> Um, the next one.

3190
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:12,160
>> Wait a minute. Are we going to be able

3191
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:14,479
to have the council members voice? I

3192
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:16,800
don't want silence here as a yes or a

3193
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:19,439
no. I think we all need to say where we

3194
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:21,679
are on these topics. We're going to put

3195
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:23,840
it on the next city council meeting. We

3196
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:25,120
need to be on the record with what

3197
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:26,800
ordinance you're writing right now.

3198
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:28,800
>> Yeah. Again, that's that's again why I

3199
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:31,040
ask if there's anything that you're in

3200
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:32,880
disagreement with in these, please voice

3201
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:36,000
your opinion. I am going to take silence

3202
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,479
as as that you are in accordance with

3203
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:40,479
this unless you speak up.

3204
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:42,160
>> Go to 18 months for the [clears throat]

3205
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:43,359
period and I can see increasing the

3206
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:51,110
fines but not by much.

3207
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:54,160
Uh the next one and this is

3208
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,880
this one is is a little bit more nuance.

3209
02:19:56,880 --> 02:19:58,720
>> Can I just clarify that means we're

3210
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:01,520
three to four. So what you presented

3211
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:05,040
will stand in your ordinance.

3212
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:07,359
>> I will prepare an or I'll get there at

3213
02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:07,840
the end.

3214
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:09,439
>> Okay. I'm just trying to determine what

3215
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:11,040
the purpose of this meeting is and what

3216
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,479
the outcome is going to be determined

3217
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:14,720
because sometimes when I haven't said

3218
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,040
anything in a council meeting on

3219
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:18,640
something that I on a work meeting on

3220
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:20,000
something that I didn't necessarily

3221
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,640
agree with, it was construed as a as a

3222
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:24,880
positive. So I think this is such an

3223
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:27,280
important if if this is it this

3224
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,840
discussion we're having I think we

3225
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,200
should be on the record as council

3226
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,560
members have thoughts.

3227
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,399
>> This is kind of a lot to process for one

3228
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:37,600
meeting. I kind of wonder if we got to

3229
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:40,720
do a work session again.

3230
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,000
>> I don't want I don't want to drag it out

3231
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,439
either, but like it's a lot.

3232
02:20:43,439 --> 02:20:44,160
>> Okay,

3233
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:46,399
>> fair enough to weigh in on that.

3234
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,640
>> The next area that I want to touch on is

3235
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:52,240
occupancy limits for short-term rentals.

3236
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:53,520
And by occupancy, [clears throat] I mean

3237
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:58,399
how many people can stay in an STR on

3238
02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:01,359
any given night? As we first rolled out

3239
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:05,200
this STR draft, the conversation was the

3240
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:06,880
easiest way to enforce this would be by

3241
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:09,040
putting a cap at eight unrelated or

3242
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:12,080
eight related regardless. Just saying

3243
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:14,319
we're going to cap it at eight individ

3244
02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:16,960
short-term rental. Now, we heard a lot

3245
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:19,120
from from the short-term rental

3246
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:21,520
community um that that would not be a

3247
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:23,120
practicable

3248
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:25,760
um regulation, but again, from an

3249
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:27,680
enforcement perspective, probably the

3250
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:30,640
very easiest of the enforcement. NIT or

3251
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:32,720
an officer rolls up to a home, they can

3252
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:34,880
do a simple math and they can see that

3253
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:37,920
there's more than so from a from a

3254
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:40,160
enforcement standpoint, the easiest way

3255
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:44,399
to enforce occupancy. Um, occ opt option

3256
02:21:44,399 --> 02:21:48,000
two is that we go to a single family or

3257
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:50,080
a unrelated, which is really what we're

3258
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:51,520
doing is we're mirroring what we already

3259
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:55,280
allow for long-term rentals and single

3260
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:59,280
family dwellings is we allow currently

3261
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,960
single families or three. So by giving

3262
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:05,280
short-term rental option two, we're

3263
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,359
actually increasing the occupancy over

3264
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:09,920
that of the long.

3265
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:12,399
>> Um, clear on one more thing. Yes,

3266
02:22:12,399 --> 02:22:14,000
>> clarification.

3267
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,680
>> This these things that we're talking

3268
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:18,399
about are things that relate to whole

3269
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:21,120
house nonowner occupied rentals in

3270
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:22,080
general

3271
02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:24,640
>> and owner occupied.

3272
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,720
>> So, for example,

3273
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:32,399
if somebody rents rooms like if I've seen those online where there's

3274
02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:34,000
like the husband, the wife, and the

3275
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,920
sister, they're three bed whatever two

3276
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:37,840
bedrooms and then they rent they do

3277
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:41,280
airbnb on two of their other bedrooms.

3278
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:43,280
How would that fit in there?

3279
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:46,319
>> So what we are the way we address that

3280
02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:49,600
scenario there is we are indicating that

3281
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:53,359
you could have one shortterm rental

3282
02:22:53,359 --> 02:22:56,399
area dwelling and you identify that as

3283
02:22:56,399 --> 02:22:58,479
one bedroom or two bedroom or your

3284
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:01,439
basement or maybe the apartment that's

3285
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:03,600
above the garage.

3286
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:05,920
Um whatever you are identifying as your

3287
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:07,920
short-term rental, you can have one of

3288
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:10,479
those. Like in this case, it was like

3289
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:12,560
the house. You just kind of absorbed

3290
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:14,880
into the into the family. You use the

3291
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:16,880
kitchen with with the family. You do,

3292
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:18,800
but they just rent out these bedrooms on

3293
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:19,760
short-term.

3294
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:21,600
>> You would we would not allow

3295
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:24,319
multiplebedroom rentals

3296
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,240
as a short-term rental under this

3297
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:26,800
ordinance.

3298
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:28,240
>> Boarding house. Yeah.

3299
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:29,920
>> Because basically what it does, it does

3300
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:31,600
turns it into a boarding.

3301
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:33,840
>> Yeah. What we would be doing though is

3302
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:36,560
saying you are identifying a basement.

3303
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,800
That basement has two bedrooms,

3304
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:41,040
bathroom,

3305
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,520
kitchen, its entryway, etc. Right now,

3306
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,200
it doesn't need to have its own separate

3307
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:48,240
entrance. Um, unless we go the ADU

3308
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:48,800
route.

3309
02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:49,920
>> Okay. That's what I was going to ask cuz

3310
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:52,880
I like the mayor's idea of the

3311
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:53,200
>> um

3312
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,120
>> stipulation.

3313
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:56,479
But what you would do is then you would

3314
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:58,720
look and say, "Okay, the general

3315
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:01,439
standard for that owner occupied

3316
02:24:01,439 --> 02:24:04,160
basement rental or the whole home

3317
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:06,399
non-owner occupied." The general

3318
02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:09,600
standard is a single family or eight

3319
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,760
unrelated.

3320
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:13,600
Then you would go to the second level

3321
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:16,560
which is the occupancy based on bedroom

3322
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:18,560
standards. So, if you've got two

3323
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:22,000
bedrooms and they are one is 100 square

3324
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:25,040
ft or more, the other one is between 70

3325
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:28,080
and 99, that sets what your occupancy

3326
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:31,359
is. Does that make sense? What we don't

3327
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:32,300
want to do is we don't want to

3328
02:24:32,300 --> 02:24:33,600
[clears throat] have end up with eight

3329
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,560
unrelated in a two-bedroom basement

3330
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:37,760
apartment that doesn't really

3331
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:39,280
accommodate eight.

3332
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:40,800
>> So, both of those apply.

3333
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:44,080
>> Yes, both of those apply.

3334
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:46,160
So, you're setting a standard, a general

3335
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:47,680
standard, and then you're doing a more

3336
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:52,150
specific look at the actual

3337
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:57,180
uh viability of of that space.

3338
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:58,399
[clears throat] Okay. The third option

3339
02:24:58,399 --> 02:24:59,120
that we

3340
02:24:59,120 --> 02:24:59,920
>> have a question.

3341
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:02,880
>> No, I was just you're getting to it. I

3342
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:05,120
was saying what about the third? The

3343
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:09,439
third option is we're aware of, you

3344
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:13,120
know, use that might be very different

3345
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,000
and distinct from all of the other STR

3346
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,800
uses and based by its its very nature,

3347
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:22,080
size, location, etc. So, how do we how

3348
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:25,359
do we work some standard

3349
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:29,359
uh for that type of a of a parcel? And

3350
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:31,840
so we what we what we did is we provided

3351
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:34,560
language in that in that packet that

3352
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:37,680
would again indicate

3353
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:40,240
one single family or eight unrelated

3354
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:43,680
unless the property meets specific

3355
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:45,359
requirements. And that would be like

3356
02:25:45,359 --> 02:25:47,600
it's on one and a half acres. The

3357
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:50,720
dwelling unit is over 20,000 square ft.

3358
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:52,960
It's completely enclosed by fencing.

3359
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:55,439
It's gated. It has parking to

3360
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:57,040
accommodate

3361
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:59,040
um I believe it was one parking space

3362
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:00,720
per

3363
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:02,319
I want to say thousand square feet of

3364
02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:05,760
the dwelling um but very specific very

3365
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:08,960
rigorous level to allow for an increased

3366
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:13,040
capacity for that type of parcel.

3367
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:17,120
Our recommendation is the council not

3368
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:20,000
that language according to our office um

3369
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:22,399
in our opinion is that opens us up to

3370
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:25,359
litigation and while it was requested

3371
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:27,840
that we review that and consider it. Our

3372
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:29,840
recommendation is the council not adopt

3373
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:32,160
that.

3374
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:34,160
Are there any questions about occupancy

3375
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:37,120
at this point?

3376
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:41,520
>> Jake, why eight unre individuals opposed

3377
02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:43,040
to

3378
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:48,630
watching along with them.

3379
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:52,960
Is that aid based off of our new cities

3380
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:54,560
ordinances?

3381
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:58,319
>> The the aid comes from requests from STR

3382
02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:01,359
operators that there will be occupants

3383
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:03,760
that are unrelated. There might be two

3384
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:06,080
couples, but that's four that are going

3385
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:07,600
in together because they're coming into

3386
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:10,319
town or you've got a group of friends.

3387
02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:13,920
So for for co-workers that are coming in

3388
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:16,560
for a basketball game, football game,

3389
02:27:16,560 --> 02:27:19,760
they're coming for a hunting trip, four

3390
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:22,080
to five to six people, and they wouldn't

3391
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:29,280
be permitted to use that parcel or that STR if we left it at three. So we

3392
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:31,520
wanted to give some sort of increased

3393
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:33,840
occupancy. And so what we did is we

3394
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:36,560
looked at our our ordinances across the

3395
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:38,560
board and say where could we where we

3396
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:41,040
could be uniform and eight would get us

3397
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:43,520
where we'd be uniform with other

3398
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:47,359
unrelated and other areas of our

3399
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:48,800
so that's how we got to eight

3400
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:50,640
>> but if we were interested in finding

3401
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:52,479
places for families because I think

3402
02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:55,760
that's how this started the prostr was

3403
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:58,640
it's it's family

3404
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:00,399
you know centered it's cheaper than

3405
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:02,720
going to get two or three hotel rooms

3406
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:03,680
This isn't [clears throat] achieving

3407
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:05,439
that. This is actually opening it up

3408
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:07,840
even wider to now allow the hunting

3409
02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:10,080
trips, which happened at the Aspen

3410
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:12,800
House. We're up at 5:00 a.m. because the

3411
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:16,240
hunters were up at 5:00 a.m. Um, the

3412
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:18,960
sorority sisters of eight, you know, to

3413
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:21,280
me, I see this as problematic. I would

3414
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:25,359
much rather match our long-term rental

3415
02:28:25,359 --> 02:28:27,840
stipulations because maybe pull in some

3416
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:32,080
unrelated but but still it's family

3417
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:34,479
centered.

3418
02:28:34,479 --> 02:28:36,000
>> Any other comments on that? I would

3419
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:38,720
actually I would rather forego some of

3420
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:40,800
the other sides that have a conversation

3421
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:41,600
on this.

3422
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:45,200
>> I would agree with that. Is there any

3423
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:48,000
does opening it up to eight does that

3424
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:49,520
open us up to litigation on the

3425
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,120
long-term rental side?

3426
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:52,800
>> I don't believe so.

3427
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:56,240
>> Not that we have to provide the same or

3428
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:57,680
if you're providing it there, why can't

3429
02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:58,960
we do it here?

3430
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:02,080
>> I I don't see that there's any real

3431
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:03,359
litigation there.

3432
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:04,960
>> Okay.

3433
02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:08,560
And I'm again wait to be that person for

3434
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:11,200
the third time in the

3435
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:13,280
but we got be in there in five minutes.

3436
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:15,680
And I see that we I know we probably

3437
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:18,319
haven't covered everything yet. Council

3438
02:29:18,319 --> 02:29:21,439
question. I we were hoping to get to I

3439
02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:22,720
think you have some direction.

3440
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:23,680
>> I have some direction.

3441
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:25,120
>> Give you a couple options and if there's

3442
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:27,280
other options you want to do council we

3443
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:29,760
can do something different. But we do

3444
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:33,120
have a work session next Tuesday that's

3445
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:36,640
talking about fleet. How long would that

3446
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:40,319
>> fleet and CIP budget uh which about an

3447
02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:41,120
hour?

3448
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:42,560
>> So would you how would you feel about

3449
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:44,800
continuing this work session discussion?

3450
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:45,600
>> Hour and a half

3451
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:49,280
>> at our at the work session next week. So

3452
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:50,800
hour hour and a half or

3453
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:53,439
>> so we don't what we don't have next week

3454
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,840
is we don't have

3455
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,800
>> a regular meeting nor some sort of city

3456
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,680
event we have to be done by so we could

3457
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:05,698
have an extended work session next week

3458
02:30:05,698 --> 02:30:06,319
[clears throat]

3459
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:09,600
>> or we can do it the 12 I I don't know or

3460
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,120
do you feel that we're at a point where

3461
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:12,399
we don't need to have another work

3462
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:14,319
session work session

3463
02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:16,880
>> I think so too

3464
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:20,240
okay just So we are being uh respectful

3465
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:22,960
of our residents. I feel like we need to

3466
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:24,960
have our work sessions where we're

3467
02:30:24,960 --> 02:30:27,120
giving the direction and then there

3468
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,439
needs to be some time for the we have a

3469
02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:31,280
city council meeting where the residents

3470
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:33,200
can come and get it.

3471
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,680
>> Yes. We don't need to have a city

3472
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:37,680
meeting where if we've made any changes

3473
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:39,760
because of that resident feedback, we

3474
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:41,200
have one more meeting that we can take

3475
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,000
it to to make those changes and and pass

3476
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,240
it

3477
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:47,920
because otherwise I've been in that

3478
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:50,160
residency where you go and you speak the

3479
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:52,399
day of the meeting and it the decisions

3480
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:54,880
made. It feels like a waste of your time

3481
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,280
as a resident to go and speak because

3482
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:59,760
truly the council's pretty much already

3483
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:01,040
decided what they're going to do. That's

3484
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:03,600
what it feels like. So if you I feel

3485
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:06,080
like that extra time especially in topic

3486
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:08,479
like this it gives our residents some

3487
02:31:08,479 --> 02:31:11,359
time to reach out for some additional

3488
02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:13,439
feelings based on what we are actually

3489
02:31:13,439 --> 02:31:15,120
presenting. I have heard from so many

3490
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:16,800
residents well what are you guys going

3491
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:19,760
to do? Yeah, I've had experiences on the

3492
02:31:19,760 --> 02:31:22,399
council where residents have given input

3493
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:25,040
as we contemplated the ordinance and we

3494
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:27,359
discussed those changes and taking in

3495
02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:28,960
that citizen input and making those

3496
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:32,960
changes then then directing staff to put

3497
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:35,200
those into the ordinance and put it on

3498
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:37,280
the consent calendar for the next time.

3499
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:38,479
So there there are several different

3500
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:39,920
ways that we can do it where I think we

3501
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:42,640
can respect the citizens and their and

3502
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:46,640
their input but also

3503
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,160
move it along as well. So

3504
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:50,000
>> I'm so interested in moving this along.

3505
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:52,640
I've been doing this for

3506
02:31:52,640 --> 02:32:00,389
but I really want to I don't want to

3507
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:01,920
» but there there are variety of ways we

3508
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,240
can do it. So council what do you want

3509
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:06,720
to do?

3510
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,560
I would say let's add it on to our work

3511
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:10,560
session next week and have further

3512
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:12,399
discussion and where we're at.

3513
02:32:12,399 --> 02:32:14,160
>> See where we're at there. I concur.

3514
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,040
>> Okay. Is that okay? Council.

3515
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:20,640
>> All right. Thank you. I don't know how

3516
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:23,439
much more you say. [clears throat] That

3517
02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:25,200
sounds rude. I don't mean it. How much

3518
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:26,640
more is it?

3519
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:28,560
>> How much more have we got?

3520
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:31,439
>> A third of the way.

3521
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:31,680
We

3522
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:34,080
>> only have five more slides. Five more.

3523
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:36,960
Okay. We can get that.

3524
02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:39,040
Okay. So, council, we we ended up here

3525
02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:43,280
with occupancy limits, STRs. Um, I

3526
02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:45,600
encourage you in this week to go think

3527
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:47,520
about this. Do your dishes like I do

3528
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:49,920
dishes when I as I think.

3529
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:52,070
But also J20,

3530
02:32:52,070 --> 02:32:56,070
[laughter]

3531
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:58,560
» but also I know in the packet you've you

3532
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:01,439
sent it had had some good information

3533
02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:06,080
about why why you as the as the legal

3534
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:09,280
staff feel it's based as I recall it's

3535
02:33:09,280 --> 02:33:10,800
based on a federal circuit court

3536
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:12,880
decision out of California.

3537
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:13,760
>> That is correct.

3538
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:15,280
>> We have these slides.

3539
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:17,040
>> Um I can share these. I can put those in

3540
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:19,200
that same shared folder.

3541
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:20,960
I also have them. They'll be posted on

3542
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:22,800
here.

3543
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:24,479
>> Council member Millet and Council Member

3544
02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:26,800
Mikum. I apologize that we didn't get to

3545
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:30,080
you in your uh city council reports and

3546
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:31,600
entire council. I apologize we didn't

3547
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:34,880
get to the agenda review.

3548
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:38,080
Here we are.

3549
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:48,790
We already

3550
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:53,110
second.

3551
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:59,990
» Thank you. like very narrow.

3552
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:14,230
Absolutely.

3553
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:18,469
Now

3554
02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:38,790
» I will say

3555
02:34:38,800 --> 02:34:39,840
» a long day.

3556
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:42,479
>> Yes, that was a very long day. I'm glad

3557
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:45,760
that we didn't have to finish those.

3558
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:49,680
>> Yeah. Wow. We used

3559
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:52,240
I think we lost corum.

3560
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:53,760
>> And why we're allowing those on the

3561
02:34:53,760 --> 02:35:00,710
agenda, you know,

3562
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:03,359
» that took three

3563
02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:07,030
>> just to go through [clears throat]

3564
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:09,280
there.

3565
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:17,830
>> That wound up being Anyway,

3566
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:23,510
back

3567
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:40,309
» training.

3568
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:42,319
And that's

3569
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:46,960
a reporter just walks in

3570
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:54,152
China.

3571
02:35:54,162 --> 02:35:54,960
[clears throat]

3572
02:35:54,960 --> 02:36:01,670
And there's Chad. We love.

3573
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,080
» Oh my gosh. It's been forever.

3574
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,640
>> Two nights in a

3575
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:12,230
It's too bad me better.

3576
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,080
» Yes.

3577
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:22,389
>> Thank you.

3578
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:24,479
» Happy to do it.

3579
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:26,319
>> We got in the correct order, so we'll be

3580
02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:30,550
good.

3581
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,399
» I can start my train.

3582
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:34,240
>> Oh, hello.

3583
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:41,990
She's holding up

3584
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:43,680
this

3585
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:55,750
ent

3586
02:36:55,760 --> 02:37:05,590
thank you for having me. Thank you.

3587
02:37:05,600 --> 02:37:08,240
Okay,

3588
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:11,040
I guess

3589
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:13,200
I don't have to answer that. You have to

3590
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:26,469
take your question.

3591
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:38,389
Yes.

3592
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:59,270
department.

3593
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:04,000
So is that so

3594
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:10,630
funny?

3595
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:12,479
» Oh

3596
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:17,590
spondies

3597
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:21,439
and all of the money for like

3598
02:38:21,439 --> 02:38:23,120
the domestic

3599
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:26,800
watch. They love that

3600
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:29,280
extra choice for

3601
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,760
them to be able to get my

3602
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:38,309
wife's we all

3603
02:38:38,319 --> 02:38:42,309
» so

3604
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:44,479
okay. Um, council member Mikum, can you

3605
02:38:44,479 --> 02:38:46,800
hear us?

3606
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:49,040
>> Uh, yes. Loud and clear. Thank you.

3607
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,439
>> All right. [gasps]

3608
02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:53,040
We're going to go ahead and get started.

3609
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:55,280
Welcome to all of you. Apologize we're

3610
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:56,560
starting a couple minutes late. We've

3611
02:38:56,560 --> 02:38:58,640
just spent the last hour and a half

3612
02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:00,640
talking about short-term rentals. And it

3613
02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,080
looks like a lot of you want to talk

3614
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:04,240
about short-term rentals as well. So, I

3615
02:39:04,240 --> 02:39:07,200
would encourage you um to after the

3616
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,760
meeting, uh

3617
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,760
Pete, when is this going to or Teresa,

3618
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,200
when is this going to be posted on our

3619
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:17,359
website, the the work session?

3620
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,840
Later tonight. I would start about an

3621
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:22,160
hourish in

3622
02:39:22,160 --> 02:39:23,920
unless you would like to be part or

3623
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:25,359
listen to the discussion we had on

3624
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:28,399
budget as well. But we did we've just

3625
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:30,399
spent a considerable amount of time

3626
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:32,479
talking about short-term rentals. And

3627
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:35,040
just so you know, we are continuing our

3628
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:38,319
work session to next Tuesday, which is a

3629
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:40,319
Tuesday that we typically don't meet. We

3630
02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:42,560
have a work session already scheduled to

3631
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:46,080
talk about the uh budget, but we are

3632
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,240
also going to include and continue our

3633
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,479
discussion on short-term rentals. And so

3634
02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:53,840
that's next Tuesday, May 5th. And that

3635
02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:55,200
meeting, what time does that meeting?

3636
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:58,720
The 3 at 3:00. So, we're going to spend

3637
02:39:58,720 --> 02:40:00,560
the first little while talking about

3638
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:02,160
budget and then we're going to continue

3639
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:04,560
our discussion on short-term rentals at

3640
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:06,479
that point. So, appreciate the

3641
02:40:06,479 --> 02:40:08,640
discussion we've had as a council. It

3642
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:10,640
was a robust discussion and I think that

3643
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:12,640
we're we're getting a better

3644
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:14,319
understanding of what what direction

3645
02:40:14,319 --> 02:40:16,479
we're we're wanting to go as a council

3646
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:19,040
and looking at I just appreciate you all

3647
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:21,120
sharing your your thoughts with that. So

3648
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:23,439
with that I'll call the meeting to order

3649
02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:26,880
and council member Mikum is

3650
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:29,600
participating remotely

3651
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:31,920
and we have an invocation inspirational

3652
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:36,150
thought by Riley Ramsey.

3653
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:39,040
» What's that? Oh, current Miss Orm.

3654
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:39,520
>> Yes,

3655
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:42,000
>> welcome sash. I'm sorry.

3656
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:43,520
>> Apologize. [laughter]

3657
02:40:43,520 --> 02:40:45,840
>> Sorry.

3658
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:47,359
>> Dear heavenly father, we're thankful for

3659
02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:50,160
this day. Please bless us as we meet

3660
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:51,760
today that we will be able to have

3661
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:53,840
effective and efficient conversation.

3662
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:56,560
And please bless those who aren't here

3663
02:40:56,560 --> 02:40:59,680
tonight that they will be able to be

3664
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:01,600
included in the conversation. And we

3665
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:02,640
thank thee for all of our many

3666
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:04,160
blessings. And we thank thee for the

3667
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:06,319
ability to meet here today. And we say

3668
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:07,680
these things in name, Jesus Christ.

3669
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,439
Amen.

3670
02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:11,520
>> Thank you. And then we have the Pledge

3671
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:14,000
of Allegiance by Haley Johnson,

3672
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,736
who's a member of the Miss Orum Royalty.

3673
02:41:17,736 --> 02:41:21,830
[panting]

3674
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:24,560
» Please repeat the pledge with me. I

3675
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:27,600
pledge algiance to the flag of the

3676
02:41:27,600 --> 02:41:30,399
United States of America and to the

3677
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:33,840
republic for which it stands. One nation

3678
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:37,200
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

3679
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:43,030
justice for all.

3680
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:47,760
Thank you. All right, we're on item 7.1.

3681
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:53,680
Is Oh, there he Okay, welcome. We have

3682
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:56,720
Senator Kevin Stratton here from our our

3683
02:41:56,720 --> 02:41:58,479
state legislature who's here to do a

3684
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:01,680
legislative report. Welcome.

3685
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:02,560
>> Thank you.

3686
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,080
>> Y go ahead and have a seat right there

3687
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:09,670
and turn the time over to you.

3688
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:11,760
» Thank you, mayor, and the city council

3689
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:15,280
and wonderful staff. I'm uh very

3690
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:17,840
grateful and honored to be here today

3691
02:42:17,840 --> 02:42:19,920
and uh certainly honored to represent

3692
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:25,120
this wonderful city. It's fun for me uh

3693
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:28,319
to have good stories to tell and there's

3694
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:30,240
so much good that's taking place here in

3695
02:42:30,240 --> 02:42:31,840
this city under the direction this

3696
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:34,479
wonderful council and uh the leadership

3697
02:42:34,479 --> 02:42:36,960
here and the wonderful staff. Great

3698
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:39,040
story to tell. I I do represent Senate

3699
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:43,359
District 24, which is takes in we come

3700
02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:46,080
down uh the the north borders of Orm to

3701
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:48,960
State Street all the way down to Desert

3702
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:53,040
Industries where the the river comes and

3703
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:55,439
then we follow the river to I-15 and

3704
02:42:55,439 --> 02:42:57,520
then down to Center Street in Provo and

3705
02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:00,240
then around past the the cemetery and

3706
02:43:00,240 --> 02:43:03,040
then we take Wasatch back as well. Also,

3707
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:08,160
I represent uh both uh Utah and Wasach

3708
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:11,280
County as well. But uh this is my home

3709
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:14,640
here and I am so grateful. I was

3710
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:18,800
reflecting uh in preparation for this uh

3711
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:20,960
I was born here in Orm and the

3712
02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:24,399
population back in 1962

3713
02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:26,640
was about 30,000

3714
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,920
and uh there's been remarkable change

3715
02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:33,439
and uh it's been wonderful. Uh I am fond

3716
02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:35,920
of peaches and peach trees, but we we're

3717
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:37,840
growing other wonderful things uh rather

3718
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:40,960
than peaches, especially freezes like as

3719
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:42,720
this year. It's been that's been tough.

3720
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:46,640
But let me if I may, mayor, uh uh as as

3721
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:48,399
you wish. I I have a few things I'll

3722
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:50,880
share and then I'd like to just open up

3723
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:52,880
to questions if you'd like or would that

3724
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:55,920
be okay. Let me just share, if I may,

3725
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:58,240
talk a little bit about Utah. And uh

3726
02:43:58,240 --> 02:43:59,920
it's fun because I think you'll

3727
02:43:59,920 --> 02:44:03,840
understand as as you look uh look at the

3728
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:07,040
2 54 cities and towns we have in the

3729
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:08,960
state of Utah and Orman's really stands

3730
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:11,680
out in a lot of ways. Well,

3731
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:14,000
Utah does the same thing as we look at

3732
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:16,479
other states. And uh you might be

3733
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:19,040
interested to know that the some there's

3734
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:23,600
several uh things and key indicators.

3735
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:26,640
Utah is ranked number one for increase

3736
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:30,319
in housing household income growth.

3737
02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:32,240
Number one for protecting children's

3738
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:34,640
mental well-being.

3739
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:36,560
Number one state overall for the three

3740
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:38,399
years running. And that's really

3741
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:40,319
remarkable. US News and World Report

3742
02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:43,439
that takes several key indicators and

3743
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:45,760
looks across the board uh that that

3744
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:47,520
indicate the health and vitality and

3745
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:49,920
strength in many different ways. And the

3746
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,560
US News report has ranked the state of

3747
02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:56,240
Utah number one for three years running.

3748
02:44:56,240 --> 02:45:00,000
Number one economic outlook for 19 years

3749
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,760
running. That that's uh that's

3750
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:03,680
remarkable. that that deals with tax

3751
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:09,840
policy and and and budget process and those related to that economic

3752
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:13,680
strength. Number one in GDP growth,

3753
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:15,760
number one in upward mobility, number

3754
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:17,920
two state for teachers. That's

3755
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:19,920
remarkable. What we've been able to do

3756
02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:22,160
in education over the last several years

3757
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:24,800
has been, I think, a real complement to

3758
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:27,040
our citizens and their their focus and

3759
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:30,399
desire to see good education. remarkable

3760
02:45:30,399 --> 02:45:33,279
number two education across in in in the

3761
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:36,000
state, highest volunteer rate, most

3762
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,479
independent state, lowest electricity

3763
02:45:38,479 --> 02:45:45,359
rates in the US. Uh so wonderful and and uh opportunity to

3764
02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:47,920
recognize that we stand all we all stand

3765
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:50,800
on shoulders and principles that help us

3766
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:53,920
uh guide and direct uh the decisions we

3767
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:56,160
make. And so there's a lot of good news.

3768
02:45:56,160 --> 02:45:57,600
Now there's of course there's challenges

3769
02:45:57,600 --> 02:46:01,680
and we need to deal with those and and we'll talk about that in in a moment

3770
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:05,120
but let me start constitutionally the

3771
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:07,520
state legislature is charged first of

3772
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:10,880
all one one key point is the fiscal

3773
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:12,560
health of the state. So let me talk a

3774
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:15,120
little about the budget. Our budget this

3775
02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:18,640
year was 31.6 billion as a state as a

3776
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:22,080
whole. We did do something quite unique

3777
02:46:22,080 --> 02:46:26,000
uh that we about every five years, five

3778
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:28,560
to eight years, we'll go through and

3779
02:46:28,560 --> 02:46:32,240
we'll look for a 5% cut across the board

3780
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:33,760
and what that would look like. That

3781
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:37,279
helps identify things that perhaps may

3782
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:41,279
be uh uh redundant. Uh we we go through

3783
02:46:41,279 --> 02:46:43,920
that exercise. I one of my assignments

3784
02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:46,479
in legislatores chair the social service

3785
02:46:46,479 --> 02:46:49,200
appropriations committee that has the

3786
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:51,359
largest budget in the state. It's 8 to9

3787
02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:54,560
billion each year. I'm the senate chair

3788
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,479
there and have a good house chair. If we

3789
02:46:56,479 --> 02:47:00,319
have both house and house and senate

3790
02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:02,479
members, in fact the legislature, one

3791
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:04,479
unique thing about Utah across the

3792
02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:07,520
nation, it's probably why some of the

3793
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:10,000
things we uh are able to do is that

3794
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:11,520
every legislator does sit on

3795
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:13,600
appropriations committee. Senators sit

3796
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:16,240
on two. So I sit on transportation and

3797
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:19,920
then I chair the natural the the social

3798
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:23,040
services in the appropriations area. We

3799
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:25,279
found $60 million in our social

3800
02:47:25,279 --> 02:47:27,680
services, for example, in that budget

3801
02:47:27,680 --> 02:47:31,200
that we that we could uh redirect and

3802
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:36,640
make available. Uh we had uh for six

3803
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:39,439
years enroll the the another tax cut for

3804
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:41,439
Utah families. There was the from House

3805
02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:43,680
Bill one in July, federal House Bill

3806
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,560
One, there was a [snorts] close to $300

3807
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,880
million tax cut that went into place as

3808
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:50,319
well, but we were able to do some

3809
02:47:50,319 --> 02:47:52,479
additional tax cutting. and lower those

3810
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:54,399
taxes focused on policies that help our

3811
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:58,319
families and citizen citizens.

3812
02:47:58,319 --> 02:48:00,080
Let's see. So, that's a little bit of

3813
02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:03,600
the fiscal health and I and again

3814
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:06,080
first first priority for the legislature

3815
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:07,520
always is come up with a good balanced

3816
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:10,479
budget. We're able to do that and we we

3817
02:48:10,479 --> 02:48:12,240
compliment you. By the way, one of the

3818
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:17,040
great stories I was able to tell to our our state is look at ORM city and

3819
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:18,479
what they're doing. They're building,

3820
02:48:18,479 --> 02:48:20,000
you know, they they've had this

3821
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:24,800
wonderful city center, but it needed

3822
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:27,120
repair and and were able to build this

3823
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:28,800
without any debt. What a remarkable

3824
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:31,279
thing that is a great story to tell and

3825
02:48:31,279 --> 02:48:34,000
I compliment all of you for that. And uh

3826
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:36,000
one of those things I'm I'm excited to

3827
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:38,479
share with my colleagues as we we we

3828
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:41,439
look at different issues.

3829
02:48:41,439 --> 02:48:44,000
Second issue is oversight. Legislature

3830
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,160
is charged with oversight and and

3831
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:48,720
working to make sure that uh the

3832
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:50,560
branches are working properly. We have

3833
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:53,600
several audits ongoing that take place

3834
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:55,439
and and sever we have an oversight

3835
02:48:55,439 --> 02:48:59,600
committee that that we work with and and that that's a good point. Then the

3836
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:01,840
third is is the policy and setting the

3837
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:03,439
policy.

3838
02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:06,960
I will share that I I also chair there's

3839
02:49:06,960 --> 02:49:10,160
other three other areas I chair.

3840
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:14,240
the uh uh the interim committee

3841
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:16,080
for natural resources, agriculture,

3842
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:18,479
environmental quality. I also chair our

3843
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:21,439
federalism commission that uh that

3844
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:23,120
that's a remarkable thing that we're

3845
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:25,120
doing. If you ever think that there's

3846
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:27,200
contention in politics, you ever think

3847
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:29,600
that come to our federalism commission.

3848
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:31,920
We have

3849
02:49:31,920 --> 02:49:34,720
completely opposite points of view

3850
02:49:34,720 --> 02:49:37,120
across the board yet we work together in

3851
02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:39,279
a very synergistic way. There's a great

3852
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:43,279
comment made uh by one of our my good uh

3853
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:46,000
I am of I affiliate with the Republican

3854
02:49:46,000 --> 02:49:48,880
party. I have wonderful Democrat

3855
02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:52,240
colleagues and uh we were presenting a

3856
02:49:52,240 --> 02:49:55,439
legislative summary to the Utah bar and

3857
02:49:55,439 --> 02:49:57,920
one of the the

3858
02:49:57,920 --> 02:50:00,479
you can you imagine being legislature on

3859
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:02,080
an attorney. You have two strikes

3860
02:50:02,080 --> 02:50:03,520
against you before you even get your

3861
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:05,840
first pitch, right? I'm an attorney. I'm

3862
02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:08,880
a politician. Anyway, we were reporting

3863
02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:14,000
back to our uh uh the Utah State Bar and

3864
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:16,080
they asked about that and one of our

3865
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:18,479
good colleagues sent he said, you know,

3866
02:50:18,479 --> 02:50:20,880
the things that the news media plays out

3867
02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:23,200
just aren't accurate. There is because

3868
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:24,800
he was asked for his first year in the

3869
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:26,479
legislature how's it been that asked

3870
02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:28,640
specifically. He says there is a Utah

3871
02:50:28,640 --> 02:50:31,200
way that we work together in a

3872
02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:32,880
cooperative way. we listen to each other

3873
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:35,680
and we seek to come up with the the best

3874
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,760
uh best solution and that's the

3875
02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:39,760
federalism commission is really on that

3876
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:41,359
and

3877
02:50:41,359 --> 02:50:43,760
generally traditionally

3878
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:47,840
the those in in the Democratic party

3879
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:49,040
haven't really liked the notion of

3880
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,880
federalism but they're more receptive

3881
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:54,080
right now because of the aggressiveness

3882
02:50:54,080 --> 02:50:55,760
from their perspective of our at the

3883
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:57,200
national level from our our our

3884
02:50:57,200 --> 02:51:01,359
executive branch and so there it it's a ripe opportunity for us to work

3885
02:51:01,359 --> 02:51:03,760
together in some wonderful ways.

3886
02:51:03,760 --> 02:51:06,399
The final one is the legislative water

3887
02:51:06,399 --> 02:51:08,640
development commission is is I chair

3888
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:10,720
that. So, so those are my assignments.

3889
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:13,200
So, I can hopefully ask answer any

3890
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:14,880
questions in that space or any others

3891
02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:17,279
you would have. I would maybe like to

3892
02:51:17,279 --> 02:51:20,319
highlight just a couple of policies

3893
02:51:20,319 --> 02:51:23,600
legislatively. There were

3894
02:51:23,600 --> 02:51:25,920
1,56

3895
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:29,040
bills initiated.

3896
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:32,240
we actually end up passing 541. I often

3897
02:51:32,240 --> 02:51:35,840
say it's really important that uh to

3898
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:38,080
recognize I'm asked, well, what did you

3899
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:39,439
do? And I some of the most important

3900
02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:42,880
things is what we don't do as we look at

3901
02:51:42,880 --> 02:51:45,120
sound principles, limited government,

3902
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:48,640
sound policy, uh federalism,

3903
02:51:48,640 --> 02:51:50,160
uh

3904
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:52,000
those you free trying to protect the

3905
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:53,680
free market, the things that that we

3906
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,800
value are very important. But maybe a

3907
02:51:56,800 --> 02:52:01,600
couple of pieces of legislation that may be of interest. I did work uh

3908
02:52:01,600 --> 02:52:05,279
we've been working for two years on a a

3909
02:52:05,279 --> 02:52:08,160
uh water-wise landscaping bill. And I

3910
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:11,760
just have to say I we we set up that

3911
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:13,760
what what does water-wise landscaping

3912
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:15,840
mean? And given our water and the

3913
02:52:15,840 --> 02:52:18,240
challenges we have and we've been so

3914
02:52:18,240 --> 02:52:21,520
blessed uh with our ecosystem that we

3915
02:52:21,520 --> 02:52:23,040
have here in the state, remarkable

3916
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:25,680
ecosystem and pioneers that thought and

3917
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:28,640
we have even with this very challenging

3918
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:30,560
water cycle we're in. We we do still

3919
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:32,240
have reservoirs that have water in them

3920
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:33,920
and there's so there's there's a lot of

3921
02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:36,800
positive but I I was pleased to note as

3922
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:39,359
I came in I think the city's done a

3923
02:52:39,359 --> 02:52:41,200
great job in this new landscaping being

3924
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:42,960
very wise with your water and the water

3925
02:52:42,960 --> 02:52:45,279
usage and and uh that we're trying to

3926
02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:48,560
set an example that would then be worth

3927
02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:50,880
emulating across the state. So that

3928
02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:55,200
would be one one piece. Uh uh probably

3929
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:59,040
some of the most uh

3930
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:01,840
near to my heart piece of legislation

3931
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:04,800
through the years is uh couple of years

3932
02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:09,120
ago we worked on creating a a pattern

3933
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:11,200
cadence in September constitutional

3934
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:13,840
month where we would teach principles

3935
02:53:13,840 --> 02:53:16,160
constitutional principles

3936
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:18,880
uh that uh highlight them and I'm

3937
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:20,720
pleased of what the city's done in that

3938
02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:22,800
regard as well but invite all the study

3939
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:25,520
that the founders that that that's one

3940
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:28,479
uh we so we we have those those issues

3941
02:53:28,479 --> 02:53:30,399
certainly that deal with our policy but

3942
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:32,720
then also what makes us who we are and

3943
02:53:32,720 --> 02:53:34,560
how can we make sure we're not

3944
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:36,160
forgetting those wonderful shoulders

3945
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:38,240
that we stand on with that mayor I'll be

3946
02:53:38,240 --> 02:53:40,160
glad to answer try to answer any

3947
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:40,880
questions

3948
02:53:40,880 --> 02:53:44,399
>> right thank you I I appreciate your

3949
02:53:44,399 --> 02:53:47,040
update and thank you thank you for your

3950
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:49,120
service and grateful for the

3951
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:51,520
relationship that the city has with our

3952
02:53:51,520 --> 02:53:53,279
state legis legislators. We've we've

3953
02:53:53,279 --> 02:53:55,439
been in contact this year a lot just and

3954
02:53:55,439 --> 02:53:58,720
we have a good open communication. I do

3955
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:01,520
have a question. Uh what do you see uh

3956
02:54:01,520 --> 02:54:03,279
as you know the legislative session has

3957
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:05,680
ended but the work still continues as we

3958
02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:07,600
go as we have interim meetings.

3959
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:09,680
>> What are the what are the focuses and

3960
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:12,000
the priorities that you're you're seeing

3961
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:14,479
as we are going into the interim

3962
02:54:14,479 --> 02:54:16,160
meetings between the sessions?

3963
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:18,560
>> Thank you for that question. there. We

3964
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:20,960
do go through a process of establishing

3965
02:54:20,960 --> 02:54:22,880
priorities and study items of what we're

3966
02:54:22,880 --> 02:54:24,399
going to do. Very similar to what you

3967
02:54:24,399 --> 02:54:27,359
spent the last 3 hours looking at to try

3968
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:34,479
and create the the best policy. There are issues that are hot hot item

3969
02:54:34,479 --> 02:54:37,359
issues. Immigration for example, uh

3970
02:54:37,359 --> 02:54:40,240
voting integrity would be another one.

3971
02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:43,600
Uh but there's several important

3972
02:54:43,600 --> 02:54:45,439
management issues that that we're

3973
02:54:45,439 --> 02:54:47,359
dealing with. Several water issues. For

3974
02:54:47,359 --> 02:54:49,439
example, one of the things we're going

3975
02:54:49,439 --> 02:54:51,040
to talk about in our natural resource

3976
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:53,680
agro environment committee is what do we

3977
02:54:53,680 --> 02:54:56,479
do currently with our water situation

3978
02:54:56,479 --> 02:54:57,840
that we're in right now? Do we need to

3979
02:54:57,840 --> 02:55:00,399
do an emergency declaration or what what

3980
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:02,720
are steps are we taking to deal with

3981
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:04,640
that and and protect our environment?

3982
02:55:04,640 --> 02:55:06,000
What are we doing with the Great Salt

3983
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:08,880
Lake and how how can we help and and uh

3984
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:10,240
encourage that? There's a lot of

3985
02:55:10,240 --> 02:55:14,080
reporting that takes place. There's uh

3986
02:55:14,080 --> 02:55:17,680
you know I I tax policy is one I'm I'm

3987
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:19,840
interested I might I don't mean to

3988
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:22,640
editorialize but one of the things that

3989
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:24,880
you know we hear a lot about affordable

3990
02:55:24,880 --> 02:55:27,439
housing and we also hear about property

3991
02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:29,439
tax. You know, one of the things I'll

3992
02:55:29,439 --> 02:55:30,960
just throw this out. I don't want to

3993
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:34,240
have but if we didn't offer the

3994
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:38,960
residential exemption to nonoccupied

3995
02:55:38,960 --> 02:55:41,920
residences, that would do that would do

3996
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:43,439
remarkable. We're going to need some

3997
02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:46,240
help. If that's something that that uh

3998
02:55:46,240 --> 02:55:48,720
you that's that

3999
02:55:48,720 --> 02:55:50,479
>> saying, Council Member Miller, you you

4000
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:52,800
you're speaking her language.

4001
02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:55,279
>> That that that would that would help. I

4002
02:55:55,279 --> 02:55:56,880
think our affordable housing would help

4003
02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:58,720
a lot in the chances. I know you're

4004
02:55:58,720 --> 02:56:00,319
wrestling with this. I'm I'm really

4005
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:02,000
excited to see what you come up with.

4006
02:56:02,000 --> 02:56:04,640
I'm glad it's your your decision, not

4007
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:06,880
mine right now. We've dealt with a lot

4008
02:56:06,880 --> 02:56:09,439
already, but be very supportive and I'm

4009
02:56:09,439 --> 02:56:12,399
but I do appreciate the intentionality

4010
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:14,160
and the carefulness. I've talked to some

4011
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:15,920
of the council members. I know you're

4012
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:18,399
very listening and trying to be very

4013
02:56:18,399 --> 02:56:20,720
intentional on this. So, just don't mess

4014
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:23,200
up and we'll be good. Well, but we're

4015
02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:24,720
trying our very very best.

4016
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,240
>> Oh, you are. Okay.

4017
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:27,040
>> Appreciate that.

4018
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:29,120
>> Thank you. Council members, do you have

4019
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:30,880
any questions? Do you do you still

4020
02:56:30,880 --> 02:56:32,000
>> Well, I just want to make a comment

4021
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:33,359
because that was a question I was going

4022
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:35,520
to ask because there was a bill that was

4023
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:37,600
run this last legislative session that

4024
02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:41,200
first started to to talk about that 45%

4025
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:45,200
basically tax discount that is given to

4026
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:49,680
highdensity apartment owners. Um, so

4027
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:52,319
truly affects our ability to tax because

4028
02:56:52,319 --> 02:56:53,840
it takes away tax from our school

4029
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:55,359
district who then our school district

4030
02:56:55,359 --> 02:56:57,760
has to make up that deficit and then we

4031
02:56:57,760 --> 02:56:59,040
have to hold off because we don't want

4032
02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:01,120
to overt tax so we don't put on a tax

4033
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:02,960
because our residents are feeling the

4034
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:04,479
burdens from providing for schools. You

4035
02:57:04,479 --> 02:57:05,920
know, you know all about that. We talked

4036
02:57:05,920 --> 02:57:07,040
about that during the legislative

4037
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:09,520
session. So truly appreciate that you

4038
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:10,880
made that comment because I have been

4039
02:57:10,880 --> 02:57:12,720
beating that drum for four years and I

4040
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:14,160
truly appreciate that that is a

4041
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:16,399
conversation now at the legislature. I

4042
02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:18,080
think we're going to need some help from

4043
02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:20,560
our uh local, you know, the league of

4044
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:23,680
cities and towns and if that's type I I

4045
02:57:23,680 --> 02:57:25,840
would say mayor and council members that

4046
02:57:25,840 --> 02:57:28,880
I do defend your right to have local

4047
02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:30,319
control [sighs and gasps]

4048
02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:32,800
and good data leads to good information.

4049
02:57:32,800 --> 02:57:36,880
For example, uh Chair Dah of the League

4050
02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:38,960
of Cities and Towns, he and I work very

4051
02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:45,600
closely on two or three issues. Uh one great key indicator is uh if we're

4052
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:47,680
trying to get 40,000 units, we've

4053
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:53,920
already approved 109,000 in just a few jurisdictions and that that number

4054
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:57,200
will increase. But but with that in

4055
02:57:57,200 --> 02:57:59,920
mind, do we really need we really need

4056
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:02,479
to let that be a local control is my

4057
02:58:02,479 --> 02:58:04,000
perspective.

4058
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,800
the the the it the key though is we need

4059
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:08,160
some potentially some help with

4060
02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:10,560
infrastructure but that needs to be a

4061
02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:13,200
local issue that should not be spread

4062
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:15,760
throughout the state for example ORM has

4063
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:18,160
done what if if you've paid and paid the

4064
02:58:18,160 --> 02:58:20,960
cost put it in you need to be able to do

4065
02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:23,359
that but but we need to be wise and try

4066
02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:29,040
and avoid the growth of government and some of the the

4067
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:33,680
I guess uh interesting isms I'll say

4068
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:36,319
ideologies of the day to to to not, you

4069
02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:37,840
know, remove ourselves from the roots

4070
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:40,240
and the grounding that we have.

4071
02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:42,000
>> And that was my second point. I truly

4072
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:44,000
appreciate because you do lead out on

4073
02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:46,080
honoring municipal property, municipal

4074
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:47,760
rights, municipal government rights, I

4075
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:49,439
guess is the best way to say that.

4076
02:58:49,439 --> 02:58:52,399
>> Um, thank you. Thank you for supporting

4077
02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:53,279
us in that way.

4078
02:58:53,279 --> 02:58:56,640
>> Thank you. Great. Thank you. Um, Council

4079
02:58:56,640 --> 02:58:58,000
Member Mulestein,

4080
02:58:58,000 --> 02:58:59,520
>> so you talked a little bit about water

4081
02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:02,240
rights or water being a big issue that's

4082
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:03,920
going to come up in the interim session.

4083
02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:06,479
How is the state planning on balancing

4084
02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:08,160
that growth that you just talked about,

4085
02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:10,640
this push for growth and the need for

4086
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:12,720
water for the Great Salt Lake? I'm very

4087
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:14,960
interested in knowing what that plan

4088
02:59:14,960 --> 02:59:17,120
looks like or the legislaturator's point

4089
02:59:17,120 --> 02:59:17,920
of view on that.

4090
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:19,600
>> How long can I have? Can I have a few

4091
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:21,840
minutes maybe answer that? Was that I

4092
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:24,160
don't want [laughter]

4093
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,080
>> Let let me share something. Let me just

4094
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:28,080
share. My grandfather ran for he was on

4095
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:30,479
the city council. He ran in 1950 ran for

4096
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:32,880
mayor in that time frame and he says we

4097
02:59:32,880 --> 02:59:35,520
need to create a good water system for

4098
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:38,080
Oram. And he was beaten. His opponent

4099
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:39,520
says you're going to bankrupt the city.

4100
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:42,240
Well, ORM has the most one of the most

4101
02:59:42,240 --> 02:59:45,120
remarkable water sources of any

4102
02:59:45,120 --> 02:59:47,920
municipality because what we did for,

4103
02:59:47,920 --> 02:59:51,600
you know, 75 years ago in buying up the

4104
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:55,120
water rights of the agricultural users

4105
02:59:55,120 --> 02:59:57,120
and then addressing and making that

4106
02:59:57,120 --> 02:59:59,920
available. We It's rem we or Oram will

4107
02:59:59,920 --> 03:00:01,920
never run out of or will be the last

4108
03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:12,880
place in Utah to run out of water. All I I'll just But the same is true. 80 of the 100% of rainfall that comes 90%

4109
03:00:12,880 --> 03:00:14,800
of it goes in the ground and refreshes

4110
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:16,720
our groundwater and then evaporates.

4111
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:19,680
That 10% I I'm just using rough numbers.

4112
03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:22,880
80% of that 10% left is in agriculture

4113
03:00:22,880 --> 03:00:24,880
right now. And so we need to do all we

4114
03:00:24,880 --> 03:00:28,080
can to to utilize best practices in

4115
03:00:28,080 --> 03:00:30,720
there. We will have as as we take care

4116
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:33,200
of agriculture and the the nice thing is

4117
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:36,000
as we improve the systems in agriculture

4118
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:38,160
the water the value of the water that's

4119
03:00:38,160 --> 03:00:40,080
saved can pay for the improvements and

4120
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:42,160
help that. So that there's there's a

4121
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:44,960
real good model there. A million acre

4122
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:50,479
feet I don't a million acre feet would raises Great Salt Lake one foot.

4123
03:00:50,479 --> 03:00:53,680
We feel that we need about 400

4124
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:57,520
additional 400 additional 400,000

4125
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:59,040
additional acre feet. We've already

4126
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:01,680
identified to keep Utah lake stabilized.

4127
03:01:01,680 --> 03:01:04,160
We've already identified 160,000 acre

4128
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:07,120
feet. One of the things that I have

4129
03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:09,120
asked I'm requiring our our water

4130
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:11,120
development at the Great Salt Lake and

4131
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:12,880
several to come. We will have several

4132
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:15,520
reports. We're going to dial this in.

4133
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:17,840
That's question exactly. Let's agree

4134
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:19,680
what we need and how we're going to get

4135
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:21,600
there. For example, if we change the

4136
03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:23,439
grading on the west side of the Great

4137
03:01:23,439 --> 03:01:25,359
Salt Lake so that water runs into the

4138
03:01:25,359 --> 03:01:28,000
lake instead of out in the desert, that

4139
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,720
is projected to provide another 60,000

4140
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:33,520
acre feet. If we do away with the

4141
03:01:33,520 --> 03:01:35,040
non-native

4142
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:38,000
plants around Great Salt Lake in Jordan,

4143
03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:40,479
when we had two years ago when we had

4144
03:01:40,479 --> 03:01:43,200
that great water year, we had to take

4145
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:45,439
water from to Utah Lake through our

4146
03:01:45,439 --> 03:01:48,560
canal system because the the Jordan

4147
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:51,439
River was so choked with non-native

4148
03:01:51,439 --> 03:01:53,760
growth. We take care of that non-native

4149
03:01:53,760 --> 03:01:56,160
growth and that adds another 80,000 acre

4150
03:01:56,160 --> 03:01:58,000
feet. So, we're doing some things. We

4151
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:00,479
purchased the magnesium plant there that

4152
03:02:00,479 --> 03:02:02,720
had tremendous about 100,000 acre feet

4153
03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:06,240
of water. We are really focusing and as

4154
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:09,439
we just lift together and not use fear,

4155
03:02:09,439 --> 03:02:12,319
I would say not use fear and and some of

4156
03:02:12,319 --> 03:02:15,279
the narratives we see if we're wise

4157
03:02:15,279 --> 03:02:18,399
stewards, uh we're going to we will we

4158
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:20,640
will weather this and and do it well. So

4159
03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:22,560
those are how's that? That's I could go

4160
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:24,800
on. That was like a little skip along. I

4161
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:26,720
could go hit the lots, take up the whole

4162
03:02:26,720 --> 03:02:27,760
meeting if you'd like.

4163
03:02:27,760 --> 03:02:29,680
>> I It's an issue I could talk about for

4164
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:31,120
hours as well, but thank you for

4165
03:02:31,120 --> 03:02:32,720
representing ORM. Well, we really

4166
03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:33,920
appreciate you.

4167
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:37,040
>> Well, you have we have a great story. We

4168
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:38,240
just need to get the rest state do what

4169
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:39,840
ORM does. We'll be in good shape. So,

4170
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:41,920
let's not say that.

4171
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:43,760
>> Right. Thank you. Anybody any other

4172
03:02:43,760 --> 03:02:45,840
council? Okay. Council member Lamson.

4173
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:48,000
>> Well, we have a kind of a special

4174
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:49,680
opportunity here, Kevin. You have your

4175
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:51,200
sweetheart. we're here with you this

4176
03:02:51,200 --> 03:02:53,680
evening and we just want to say thank

4177
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:56,160
you to both of you uh for your service

4178
03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:59,040
and for your example and the way that

4179
03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:01,920
you've led uh not only you I know that

4180
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:03,359
your sweetheart is right there with you

4181
03:03:03,359 --> 03:03:06,080
all the way and and she sacrifices a lot

4182
03:03:06,080 --> 03:03:07,600
of things so that you can do what you do

4183
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:10,399
so thank you to both of you that is very

4184
03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:13,200
kind and I and I you know maybe I could

4185
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:15,760
ask Ruby Ruby would you stand up she

4186
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:18,880
bless her heart we have been blessed at

4187
03:03:18,880 --> 03:03:20,800
this point in life with 23

4188
03:03:20,800 --> 03:03:22,640
grandchildren. Imagine that. And Ruby's

4189
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:23,840
one of them. And it's grandpa and

4190
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:26,160
grandpa's birthday date with Ruby. So,

4191
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:29,520
thank you for that. But we need She's

4192
03:03:29,520 --> 03:03:30,399
here. She'll say,

4193
03:03:30,399 --> 03:03:32,240
>> "So, Ruby, you need to talk to your

4194
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:35,040
grandparents about what constitutes a

4195
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:37,760
fun birthday." Okay.

4196
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:39,439
>> I know we're fun, but but there's

4197
03:03:39,439 --> 03:03:41,439
something more fun for you. Trust me,

4198
03:03:41,439 --> 03:03:43,520
>> we we want to be balanced, old mayor.

4199
03:03:43,520 --> 03:03:46,000
remember this is a good civic and I'll

4200
03:03:46,000 --> 03:03:48,800
be in her. Yes. So, we're going to if

4201
03:03:48,800 --> 03:03:50,640
you'll excuse us, we're going to go

4202
03:03:50,640 --> 03:03:52,720
continue our date, but I am I'm so

4203
03:03:52,720 --> 03:03:55,439
grateful. I do want to thank your

4204
03:03:55,439 --> 03:03:57,279
families

4205
03:03:57,279 --> 03:04:01,120
and your support group. And uh I I

4206
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:03,840
remember I remember Jerry Washburn,

4207
03:04:03,840 --> 03:04:05,439
Mayor Washburn. I happened to be at his

4208
03:04:05,439 --> 03:04:07,520
house. I was visiting and uh he came

4209
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:09,680
home and he said, "A terrible thing has

4210
03:04:09,680 --> 03:04:11,760
happened.

4211
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:14,319
Jim Reams had left council meeting and

4212
03:04:14,319 --> 03:04:16,399
had a heart attack just over here and he

4213
03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:21,279
passed away and uh Jerry's uh he's I

4214
03:04:21,279 --> 03:04:23,920
call him my brother cuz we have a sweet

4215
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:27,040
family relationship but but I recognized

4216
03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:29,359
the work and effort of the wonderful

4217
03:04:29,359 --> 03:04:33,200
staff and uh went played basketball with

4218
03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:35,040
some of them and other things and no

4219
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:36,800
others but we've got a wonderful city

4220
03:04:36,800 --> 03:04:39,200
manager but very compliment to who you

4221
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:41,359
are and what you're doing but we do We

4222
03:04:41,359 --> 03:04:43,439
need to take time to thank those that

4223
03:04:43,439 --> 03:04:45,920
support us and I know Jeff for you and

4224
03:04:45,920 --> 03:04:47,680
your sweet wife have been through during

4225
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:49,840
your time of service and that that's

4226
03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:52,000
true with so many others. So, thank you.

4227
03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:52,720
very much.

4228
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:54,720
>> Right. Thank you. And happy birthday,

4229
03:04:54,720 --> 03:04:57,600
Ruby. Go have some fun. Thank you,

4230
03:04:57,600 --> 03:04:59,439
Senator. Appreciate you taking the time

4231
03:04:59,439 --> 03:05:00,560
to come this evening.

4232
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:02,160
>> Honored to be with you. Thank you. Thank

4233
03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:04,160
you, Senator. Mayor and Council, if I

4234
03:05:04,160 --> 03:05:06,399
can also just add from staff's

4235
03:05:06,399 --> 03:05:09,200
perspective in non-public meetings,

4236
03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:11,279
Senator Stratton is super great to work

4237
03:05:11,279 --> 03:05:13,680
with, always responsive, always listens,

4238
03:05:13,680 --> 03:05:15,520
is always helpful, and is great at

4239
03:05:15,520 --> 03:05:18,960
promoting the ORM way uh with the along

4240
03:05:18,960 --> 03:05:22,640
with the Utah way. So,

4241
03:05:22,640 --> 03:05:25,680
making the ORM way. All right. Thank

4242
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:28,640
you. Okay. The next item on our agenda

4243
03:05:28,640 --> 03:05:31,200
is item 7.2 is a presentation, the Green

4244
03:05:31,200 --> 03:05:32,960
Grant Award.

4245
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:35,200
Blake is Blake Oh, there's Blake. Blake

4246
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:37,760
Lenelli from He's the public sector

4247
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:39,840
solutions manager for waste management

4248
03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:41,600
of Utah.

4249
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:46,150
Welcome.

4250
03:05:46,160 --> 03:05:48,960
Uh, council mayor, first and foremost,

4251
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:50,399
thank you for having me out. I always

4252
03:05:50,399 --> 03:05:52,000
say I've got the best job. I get to give

4253
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:55,040
out checks and do all that fun stuff. So

4254
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:59,439
over the years um ORUM has done a great

4255
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:03,279
job around recycle education and we're

4256
03:06:03,279 --> 03:06:04,720
happy to announce that you're the

4257
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:07,200
recipient of the green grant award this

4258
03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:10,479
year and kudos to you as you know over

4259
03:06:10,479 --> 03:06:12,160
the years you've been able to maximize

4260
03:06:12,160 --> 03:06:15,439
the funds given by waste management to

4261
03:06:15,439 --> 03:06:18,399
continue the recycle education and items

4262
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:20,960
like the top 10 in the bin or film

4263
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:23,279
plastic pilots. All of those have been

4264
03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:25,359
pioneered by ORUM. So, greatly

4265
03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:28,160
appreciative of appreciative of that and

4266
03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:30,160
would like to give you a check for

4267
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:31,600
$5,000.

4268
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:34,399
>> Oh, I don't think we'll turn that down.

4269
03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:38,240
Okay. So, how do we do we do I do I go

4270
03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:40,960
down? Okay. I Okay, council, just know

4271
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:43,359
that we have a lot of of these require

4272
03:06:43,359 --> 03:06:44,640
pictures. So, make sure there's no

4273
03:06:44,640 --> 03:06:47,200
cilantro in your teeth because we got to

4274
03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:49,840
take some pictures.

4275
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:56,950
Move

4276
03:06:56,960 --> 03:07:03,750
together.

4277
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:05,359
» I'm gonna have you go this way just a

4278
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:08,000
little bit for a sec.

4279
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:09,760
>> And then L and Jeff, can you actually

4280
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:19,110
switch spots? Is that okay?

4281
03:07:19,120 --> 03:07:22,240
Hey, we got it.

4282
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:38,790
>> Thanks, Blake. Thank you,

4283
03:07:38,800 --> 03:07:42,160
All right. Our next item is 7.3. It's a

4284
03:07:42,160 --> 03:07:45,120
presentation, Arbor Day proclamation and

4285
03:07:45,120 --> 03:07:48,880
video. So, we'll invite Bradley Day, our

4286
03:07:48,880 --> 03:07:52,160
community and sustainability officer,

4287
03:07:52,160 --> 03:07:53,680
to

4288
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:56,000
make do the presentation. Thank you.

4289
03:07:56,000 --> 03:07:58,160
Thanks much,

4290
03:07:58,160 --> 03:08:00,479
mayor and council. It has to be said ORM

4291
03:08:00,479 --> 03:08:02,319
really loves its trees. Just this past

4292
03:08:02,319 --> 03:08:04,960
weekend, the my hometown days of service

4293
03:08:04,960 --> 03:08:07,359
happened. And during that, the my

4294
03:08:07,359 --> 03:08:09,520
hometown communities, both Sharon Park

4295
03:08:09,520 --> 03:08:11,760
and Geneva Park, we were able in Geneva

4296
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:13,200
Heights, we were able to plant some

4297
03:08:13,200 --> 03:08:14,880
trees in their respective parks. It was

4298
03:08:14,880 --> 03:08:16,560
a lovely experience. You all just

4299
03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:18,319
participated at the start of work

4300
03:08:18,319 --> 03:08:20,080
session with helping plant the new

4301
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:22,000
freedom tree. And we have so many other

4302
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:23,359
trees just going up on this campus

4303
03:08:23,359 --> 03:08:25,600
alone. It's fantastic.

4304
03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:28,399
for Arbor Day and as part of a tree city

4305
03:08:28,399 --> 03:08:30,560
USA. The city has this presentation and

4306
03:08:30,560 --> 03:08:35,510
we will share it for you now

4307
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:38,720
is famous for being family city USA. But

4308
03:08:38,720 --> 03:08:41,920
did you know that ORM is also Tree City

4309
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:46,000
USA? In fact, I have here in my hand a

4310
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:47,680
letter from the National Arbor Day

4311
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:50,960
Foundation designating ORM a Tree City

4312
03:08:50,960 --> 03:08:54,080
USA for the 33rd year in a row. The role

4313
03:08:54,080 --> 03:08:55,561
of the urban forester is to maintain

4314
03:08:55,561 --> 03:08:56,960
[music] all of the trees on city

4315
03:08:56,960 --> 03:08:59,279
property. There's roughly 7,000 that we

4316
03:08:59,279 --> 03:09:01,760
maintain in parks, parkways, buildings,

4317
03:09:01,760 --> 03:09:02,319
medians.

4318
03:09:02,319 --> 03:09:03,920
>> But Orin's commitment to planting,

4319
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:06,399
caring for, and celebrating trees goes

4320
03:09:06,399 --> 03:09:08,560
back way farther than that. In fact, in

4321
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:10,399
the very first city council meeting of

4322
03:09:10,399 --> 03:09:13,279
May of 1919, one of the first official

4323
03:09:13,279 --> 03:09:16,080
acts of the new city was to hire someone

4324
03:09:16,080 --> 03:09:18,960
to care for the trees. And here we are

4325
03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:22,000
107 years later, more committed to trees

4326
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:24,319
than ever. Uh our long-term goal is we

4327
03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:26,479
need to do a thousand trees in 5 years.

4328
03:09:26,479 --> 03:09:28,000
Trees are important for the urban

4329
03:09:28,000 --> 03:09:29,520
environment. [music] They lower air

4330
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:31,840
temperatures. They sequester carbon.

4331
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:33,840
They filter storm water to help reduce

4332
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:35,439
how much runoff we get. They also

4333
03:09:35,439 --> 03:09:37,359
beautify the city and give people a

4334
03:09:37,359 --> 03:09:39,200
place to interact out in the public

4335
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:39,680
setting.

4336
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:41,439
>> The four standards set forth by the

4337
03:09:41,439 --> 03:09:44,160
Arbor Day Foundation to qualify as a

4338
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:47,520
Tree City USA are maintain a tree board

4339
03:09:47,520 --> 03:09:49,200
or department. Check.

4340
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:51,200
>> Ours is the natural resources advisory

4341
03:09:51,200 --> 03:09:52,880
commission. Have a community tree

4342
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:54,319
ordinance. Check.

4343
03:09:54,319 --> 03:09:56,399
>> You have to spend at least $2 per capita

4344
03:09:56,399 --> 03:09:58,319
on urban forestry.

4345
03:09:58,319 --> 03:10:01,359
>> Check. Celebrate Arbor Day. I'm signing

4346
03:10:01,359 --> 03:10:03,760
the official city Arbor Day proclamation

4347
03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:06,880
right now. So, check and check. We're

4348
03:10:06,880 --> 03:10:08,960
excited to celebrate Arbor Day this year

4349
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:11,359
with a few extra special events. We're

4350
03:10:11,359 --> 03:10:13,600
planting trees in city parks as part of

4351
03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:15,760
my hometown days of service. We're

4352
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:18,160
planting a new freedom tree right here

4353
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:20,399
in the new Freedom Plaza to honor our

4354
03:10:20,399 --> 03:10:22,240
veterans. We're planting hundreds of

4355
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,720
trees on the city center campus to make

4356
03:10:24,720 --> 03:10:26,720
sure the heart of our city is green and

4357
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:29,200
clean. Stay tuned for more ways that you

4358
03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:31,359
can help bring more trees to ORM. Happy

4359
03:10:31,359 --> 03:10:38,309
Arbor Day, ORM.

4360
03:10:38,319 --> 03:10:40,160
» Thank you very much. Happy Arbor Day.

4361
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:42,000
>> All right. So, we've got a I don't have

4362
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:44,399
the proclamation here, but you saw me

4363
03:10:44,399 --> 03:10:47,359
holding a letter in that video. Yeah.

4364
03:10:47,359 --> 03:10:49,359
So, Arbor Day, we do have the tree

4365
03:10:49,359 --> 03:10:50,960
initiative coming up from the Natural

4366
03:10:50,960 --> 03:10:52,800
Resources Advisory Commission that we

4367
03:10:52,800 --> 03:10:55,760
have and and and like Bradley said, we

4368
03:10:55,760 --> 03:11:00,720
did plant a new freedom tree out in the Freedom Plaza. And so, you

4369
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:03,200
can see that out there if you go out

4370
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:06,080
there this this evening. It's brand new,

4371
03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:10,399
just hanging out. And so, council, any

4372
03:11:10,399 --> 03:11:11,840
anything you want to say about Arbor

4373
03:11:11,840 --> 03:11:13,760
Day?

4374
03:11:13,760 --> 03:11:16,560
Go trees. Okay. [laughter]

4375
03:11:16,560 --> 03:11:19,200
All right, thank you. [gasps] Our next

4376
03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:20,720
presentation

4377
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:24,319
is fire appreciation day. And so I just

4378
03:11:24,319 --> 03:11:26,720
this title made me think about when I we

4379
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:28,960
I grew up camping and when I would with

4380
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:31,840
the campfire, I really appreciated fire

4381
03:11:31,840 --> 03:11:33,840
probably enough to really scare my mom

4382
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:36,720
and dad. But anyway, I don't think

4383
03:11:36,720 --> 03:11:38,479
that's what you mean here by

4384
03:11:38,479 --> 03:11:39,200
appreciating fire.

4385
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:44,000
>> That's what we mean. But no, I I I did appreciate but turn the time over to

4386
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:46,080
our fire chief, Mark Sanderson.

4387
03:11:46,080 --> 03:11:48,160
>> Thank you, mayor and council. I just

4388
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:49,920
want following that presentation, I just

4389
03:11:49,920 --> 03:11:51,439
want to assure you that we have the

4390
03:11:51,439 --> 03:11:54,080
sharpest chainsaws and we have the best

4391
03:11:54,080 --> 03:11:55,760
firefighters in the event that a tree

4392
03:11:55,760 --> 03:11:57,920
catches on fire that they can follow

4393
03:11:57,920 --> 03:12:00,160
that tree wherever it needs to be

4394
03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:01,920
safely. That's how good they are.

4395
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:03,920
>> That's great. Yeah, this is an

4396
03:12:03,920 --> 03:12:06,080
opportunity for me and I appreciate any

4397
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:08,720
time that I can get in front of you or

4398
03:12:08,720 --> 03:12:11,279
our citizens to brag about our fire

4399
03:12:11,279 --> 03:12:13,600
department or show the personal

4400
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,240
appreciation that I have as well as the

4401
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:18,000
support you have for them. It's an

4402
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:19,760
opportunity that I'll take every day.

4403
03:12:19,760 --> 03:12:22,800
And so I actually first of all want to

4404
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:24,640
start off with just uh thanking our

4405
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:26,399
command staff for joining me tonight and

4406
03:12:26,399 --> 03:12:28,880
supporting this presentation along with

4407
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:32,160
Chief Dave Chase and our C platoon crew.

4408
03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:33,600
And we're very fortunate. I haven't

4409
03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:35,120
heard the pages go off and I haven't

4410
03:12:35,120 --> 03:12:36,880
seen anybody leave in an emergency. So

4411
03:12:36,880 --> 03:12:38,479
I'm going to try to talk fast so that we

4412
03:12:38,479 --> 03:12:40,560
can keep them all here. But I appreciate

4413
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:42,399
them taking the time out of their busy

4414
03:12:42,399 --> 03:12:45,279
day that allows us to do this. This

4415
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:47,760
actually is falling on the heels of our

4416
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:50,319
quarterly awards that we did yesterday,

4417
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:52,000
today, and then we'll finish up on

4418
03:12:52,000 --> 03:12:55,520
Thursday. And it leads right into Fire

4419
03:12:55,520 --> 03:12:57,760
Appreciation Day, which is May 4th. And

4420
03:12:57,760 --> 03:12:59,359
I'm going to give you some background

4421
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:01,600
that initially

4422
03:13:01,600 --> 03:13:04,240
we've turned fire appreciation day into

4423
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:06,560
what was previously called International

4424
03:13:06,560 --> 03:13:08,960
Firefighters Day, which is a day of

4425
03:13:08,960 --> 03:13:11,279
remembrance, recognition, support, and

4426
03:13:11,279 --> 03:13:12,720
celebration where current and past

4427
03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:14,479
firefighters are recognized, especially

4428
03:13:14,479 --> 03:13:16,240
those who have fallen in the line of

4429
03:13:16,240 --> 03:13:17,840
duty.

4430
03:13:17,840 --> 03:13:21,200
This day began in 1999 after five

4431
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:22,960
Australian firefighters were killed

4432
03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:24,960
during their attempt to battle a

4433
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:27,120
wildfire on the outskirts of Melbourne,

4434
03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:30,560
Victoria area. After their deaths, JJ

4435
03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:33,520
Edmonson was a volunteer lieutenant

4436
03:13:33,520 --> 03:13:35,680
firefighter in Victoria, Australia,

4437
03:13:35,680 --> 03:13:38,000
rallied to coordinate this day as a

4438
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:39,760
national and international day of

4439
03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:42,000
recognition and remembrance of those

4440
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:44,640
firefighters. The day of May 4th was

4441
03:13:44,640 --> 03:13:47,040
also chosen as it's linked to the feast

4442
03:13:47,040 --> 03:13:49,840
day of St. Florian which is the patron

4443
03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:52,319
saint of all firefighters.

4444
03:13:52,319 --> 03:13:55,279
St. Florian was first known was the

4445
03:13:55,279 --> 03:13:57,760
first known commander of one firefighter

4446
03:13:57,760 --> 03:14:01,279
squad in the Roman Empire. He ultimately

4447
03:14:01,279 --> 03:14:03,600
lost his life while in the protection of

4448
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:05,520
others.

4449
03:14:05,520 --> 03:14:08,080
St. Florian is widely recognized as a

4450
03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:10,640
symbol of the fire service.

4451
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:12,160
International firefighter day is

4452
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:14,800
observed in many ways. It is represented

4453
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:17,200
by a red and blue ribbon like I'm

4454
03:14:17,200 --> 03:14:20,080
wearing now which symbolically links the

4455
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:22,319
main elements of firefighters work with

4456
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:25,120
red to fire and blue to water. And these

4457
03:14:25,120 --> 03:14:27,520
colors are also known internationally

4458
03:14:27,520 --> 03:14:29,760
and recognized as representing emergency

4459
03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:32,234
services.

4460
03:14:32,234 --> 03:14:33,520
>> [clears throat]

4461
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:35,520
>> So with that, mayor, the ORM fire

4462
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:36,800
department would like to publicly thank

4463
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:39,279
you and the members of the council and

4464
03:14:39,279 --> 03:14:40,880
Bren and his exec staff and our

4465
03:14:40,880 --> 03:14:42,960
leadership team for their continued

4466
03:14:42,960 --> 03:14:45,600
support because without that, the men

4467
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:46,960
and women of our fire department

4468
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:49,520
wouldn't be able to deliver the amazing

4469
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:52,399
firefighter skills, levels of service

4470
03:14:52,399 --> 03:14:54,880
along along with our critical care

4471
03:14:54,880 --> 03:14:58,000
paramedic program. Um what I have staff

4472
03:14:58,000 --> 03:15:02,800
has prepared a ribbon with our logo that

4473
03:15:02,800 --> 03:15:04,160
I would like to present to each one of

4474
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:06,960
you that I hope that you can place on

4475
03:15:06,960 --> 03:15:09,200
yourselves tonight and then wear over

4476
03:15:09,200 --> 03:15:11,439
the next week when appropriate just in

4477
03:15:11,439 --> 03:15:12,960
appreciation for the men and women of

4478
03:15:12,960 --> 03:15:14,560
our fire department.

4479
03:15:14,560 --> 03:15:17,279
>> Right. Thank you.

4480
03:15:17,279 --> 03:15:19,279
Well, we appreciate

4481
03:15:19,279 --> 03:15:23,120
the work you and and your teams do. So I

4482
03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:27,760
do want we I uh we three attended the uh

4483
03:15:27,760 --> 03:15:30,960
platoon platoon a was it award yesterday

4484
03:15:30,960 --> 03:15:33,359
recognition and we

4485
03:15:33,359 --> 03:15:36,239
>> b shift and we missed the one today

4486
03:15:36,239 --> 03:15:37,920
because we were in city council meeting

4487
03:15:37,920 --> 03:15:39,920
but I do want to congratulate those of

4488
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:43,120
you who received service awards and and

4489
03:15:43,120 --> 03:15:46,160
other uh were there any new fire brand

4490
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:48,000
new new firefighters that have met the

4491
03:15:48,000 --> 03:15:48,800
probation that

4492
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:51,279
>> actually Talon Peterson Amy's son was uh

4493
03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:53,680
recognized And Amy, even in her

4494
03:15:53,680 --> 03:15:55,200
condition, not feeling well today, came

4495
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:57,359
in and was able to pin Talon's badge on

4496
03:15:57,359 --> 03:15:57,920
his chest.

4497
03:15:57,920 --> 03:15:59,439
>> Is Talon here tonight?

4498
03:15:59,439 --> 03:16:00,479
>> Talon is here.

4499
03:16:00,479 --> 03:16:02,239
>> Talon, I'm going to put you on the spot.

4500
03:16:02,239 --> 03:16:04,080
Can you stand up?

4501
03:16:04,080 --> 03:16:05,760
>> Well, at this point, mayor, what I would

4502
03:16:05,760 --> 03:16:08,080
like to do is I would just ask everybody

4503
03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:10,080
within this going to make him feel

4504
03:16:10,080 --> 03:16:11,439
embarrassed.

4505
03:16:11,439 --> 03:16:12,800
>> I'd like them all to stand up. Well,

4506
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:13,760
>> I want them all to stand up.

4507
03:16:13,760 --> 03:16:15,439
>> And that gives us the opportunity to

4508
03:16:15,439 --> 03:16:16,960
just show our appreciation to each one

4509
03:16:16,960 --> 03:16:18,640
of them for the service they provide the

4510
03:16:18,640 --> 03:16:19,120
community.

4511
03:16:19,120 --> 03:16:20,080
>> All right. Thank you.

4512
03:16:20,080 --> 03:16:30,870
>> Thank you.

4513
03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:34,950
I don't think

4514
03:16:34,960 --> 03:16:37,200
» and Talon's actually on a call. Mayor,

4515
03:16:37,200 --> 03:16:38,560
>> okay. I was going to say Talon was

4516
03:16:38,560 --> 03:16:42,319
spared embarrassment that you can Yes.

4517
03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:43,680
>> Would it be appropriate, Mayor, if if

4518
03:16:43,680 --> 03:16:45,120
the guys that were here that could we

4519
03:16:45,120 --> 03:16:46,080
have a picture with?

4520
03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:47,439
>> Sure. Yes. Come on up.

4521
03:16:47,439 --> 03:16:48,800
>> Yeah. and members of the command staff,

4522
03:16:48,800 --> 03:16:50,720
if you'll join and we'll just have a

4523
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:56,070
picture and then we can close.

4524
03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:04,150
Thank you for your time.

4525
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:11,590
» Oh,

4526
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:17,030
okay.

4527
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:18,960
Probably gonna have to do two rows of

4528
03:17:18,960 --> 03:17:22,526
you. Yeah.

4529
03:17:22,536 --> 03:17:26,790
[laughter]

4530
03:17:26,800 --> 03:17:30,790
» Guys, come in the front.

4531
03:17:30,800 --> 03:17:39,750
» Okay, let's see.

4532
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:47,910
» Yeah.

4533
03:17:47,920 --> 03:17:54,309
Yes.

4534
03:17:54,319 --> 03:17:56,239
» All right. Squeeze in. Sorry. One more.

4535
03:17:56,239 --> 03:18:03,030
It's a big group.

4536
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:04,080
» We got it.

4537
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:08,710
>> All right. Thank you.

4538
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:13,510
» Thank you.

4539
03:18:13,520 --> 03:18:15,040
» All right. would just like to ask that

4540
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:18,160
the C platoon be excused just so they

4541
03:18:18,160 --> 03:18:19,680
can get back to business.

4542
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:22,797
>> Okay. Thank you.

4543
03:18:22,797 --> 03:18:25,120
[gasps] All right. The next item on the

4544
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:29,920
agenda is a presentation on National

4545
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:32,399
Drinking Water Week, which I think goes

4546
03:18:32,399 --> 03:18:34,720
well with fire appreciation. It we just

4547
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:36,880
have this kind of element thing and fire

4548
03:18:36,880 --> 03:18:39,600
going on stuff. And so we have Chris

4549
03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:41,680
Shery.

4550
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,800
He is going to be presenting

4551
03:18:44,800 --> 03:18:47,120
um on national drinking water week which

4552
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:52,950
is May 3rd through 9th

4553
03:18:52,960 --> 03:18:56,880
and also Reed Price will be presenting

4554
03:18:56,880 --> 03:18:59,200
>> and Quinn Fenton

4555
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:01,920
>> he's our water manager. Oh, again I'm

4556
03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:03,920
sorry those of you who are here, you get

4557
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:08,319
to see another video with me in it. And

4558
03:19:08,319 --> 03:19:09,359
so [laughter]

4559
03:19:09,359 --> 03:19:12,000
it's it's very short. Well, my part's

4560
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:12,399
short.

4561
03:19:12,399 --> 03:20:40,389
>> This one's even better, though.

4562
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:44,319
helping me. Come on

4563
03:20:44,319 --> 03:20:48,880
here.

4564
03:20:48,880 --> 03:20:51,200
to me.

4565
03:20:51,200 --> 03:20:56,080
Today is a fine collection of orange

4566
03:20:56,080 --> 03:21:05,190
spring or spring.

4567
03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:12,950
Thank you. How does forum produce such

4568
03:21:12,960 --> 03:21:17,750
mayor? I'm glad you got

4569
03:21:17,760 --> 03:21:20,800
here. What's the work?

4570
03:21:20,800 --> 03:21:23,200
starts by having good source water.

4571
03:21:23,200 --> 03:21:25,279
We're very fortunate that 40% of our

4572
03:21:25,279 --> 03:21:28,160
water comes from groundwater sources

4573
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:31,439
that include spring water. About 15% of

4574
03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:33,520
our water annually runs right on the

4575
03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:35,920
side of we're fortunate to have that

4576
03:21:35,920 --> 03:21:39,200
good seed source that close to our hand

4577
03:21:39,200 --> 03:21:42,239
on near side where it's dry. We have a

4578
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:45,120
good portfolio where we choose more

4579
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:48,160
wellwater if there's not as much snow

4580
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:53,359
thanks to decision makers and leadership

4581
03:21:53,359 --> 03:21:55,840
ambulances in the past that have set us

4582
03:21:55,840 --> 03:21:58,000
up in a good spot. And our team consists

4583
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:01,040
of uh nearly 25 people that are

4584
03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:03,760
committed to providing quality water

4585
03:22:03,760 --> 03:22:07,200
from backflow control to pulling over

4586
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:10,479
1,400 bacteriological samples in a year.

4587
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:12,319
people that just take pride in their job

4588
03:22:12,319 --> 03:22:13,840
and are willing to work around the

4589
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:16,720
clock. We follow guidelines that from

4590
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:19,520
federal, state, and local code that help

4591
03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:22,560
us provide safe quality drinking water.

4592
03:22:22,560 --> 03:22:24,800
Three years ago, the state and did a

4593
03:22:24,800 --> 03:22:28,399
survey on our water system and we had a

4594
03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:30,720
perfect score with no deficiencies.

4595
03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:33,680
They'll have another survey this year to

4596
03:22:33,680 --> 03:22:35,600
be in the same position. In order to

4597
03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:38,000
keep that water safe and clean in the

4598
03:22:38,000 --> 03:22:41,040
future, we will need to rely on our team

4599
03:22:41,040 --> 03:22:43,520
and our public works leadership to

4600
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:47,200
ensure that we follow master plans and

4601
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:49,840
complete capital improvement projects

4602
03:22:49,840 --> 03:22:52,960
that will put future residents in the

4603
03:22:52,960 --> 03:22:56,239
same position that we are where they

4604
03:22:56,239 --> 03:22:58,720
will save glass of water. Thanks for

4605
03:22:58,720 --> 03:23:01,120
that great information. I hereby

4606
03:23:01,120 --> 03:23:04,000
proclaim maker of your life as national

4607
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:09,990
drinking water.

4608
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:12,965
Here's the H2 or

4609
03:23:12,965 --> 03:23:20,070
[laughter]

4610
03:23:20,080 --> 03:23:23,200
thank you for showing you surprised me

4611
03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:25,120
by appearing on suddenly appearing on my

4612
03:23:25,120 --> 03:23:29,341
couch in my office. [laughter]

4613
03:23:29,341 --> 03:23:29,760
>> [snorts]

4614
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:30,880
>> All right.

4615
03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:32,800
>> So, mayor, we just wanted to say thank

4616
03:23:32,800 --> 03:23:35,520
you for your support for our uh human

4617
03:23:35,520 --> 03:23:38,640
resources and our capital resources that

4618
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:40,640
are necessary to continue to provide

4619
03:23:40,640 --> 03:23:43,200
water uh safe water, drinking water

4620
03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:45,279
sources for us today and well into the

4621
03:23:45,279 --> 03:23:47,680
future. We have uh great plans and we

4622
03:23:47,680 --> 03:23:49,760
support and we appreciate your support

4623
03:23:49,760 --> 03:23:51,359
of those plans and moving forward into

4624
03:23:51,359 --> 03:23:54,239
the future. Uh there are times in years

4625
03:23:54,239 --> 03:23:55,920
like these when we have drought

4626
03:23:55,920 --> 03:23:58,160
conditions where we are especially

4627
03:23:58,160 --> 03:24:00,880
appreciative of that support and of the

4628
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:02,800
um the blessed area that we live in with

4629
03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:05,200
these amazing water resources. So So

4630
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:05,760
thank you.

4631
03:24:05,760 --> 03:24:08,560
>> Thank you. Would you mind taking 30

4632
03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:10,960
seconds and telling the those who are

4633
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:12,640
here this evening about the new water

4634
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:15,600
reuse facility that even gives us more

4635
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:17,439
drinking water? Sure. Because we're not

4636
03:24:17,439 --> 03:24:19,680
using it to water parks and golf

4637
03:24:19,680 --> 03:24:21,040
courses.

4638
03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:23,520
>> Yeah. The city recently uh completed a

4639
03:24:23,520 --> 03:24:26,080
project that's been was envisioned over

4640
03:24:26,080 --> 03:24:30,000
20 years ago uh when when uh city

4641
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:32,080
officials approached the state and

4642
03:24:32,080 --> 03:24:35,520
sought uh permission to reuse or the

4643
03:24:35,520 --> 03:24:37,120
wastewater that comes down to the

4644
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:40,319
wastewater treatment plant. Um over the

4645
03:24:40,319 --> 03:24:42,800
years we've made plans uh to do that and

4646
03:24:42,800 --> 03:24:45,920
about 5 years ago uh started to uh

4647
03:24:45,920 --> 03:24:48,960
pursue that uh that goal in earnest. uh

4648
03:24:48,960 --> 03:24:52,160
we uh completed the facility which will

4649
03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:55,600
which has the capacity of treating uh 15

4650
03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:58,319
million gallons per day. Um we don't

4651
03:24:58,319 --> 03:25:00,160
need that much right now but we built it

4652
03:25:00,160 --> 03:25:02,160
to be able to provide that at some point

4653
03:25:02,160 --> 03:25:08,720
in the future. Um so uh by reusing water

4654
03:25:08,720 --> 03:25:11,920
that leaves water up in our storage

4655
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:13,680
facilities in the mountains or

4656
03:25:13,680 --> 03:25:16,720
underground in our deep wells. So, we're

4657
03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:18,960
we get to use the water twice. Right

4658
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:21,359
now, we're using it to irrigate uh at

4659
03:25:21,359 --> 03:25:23,439
Sleepy Ridge Golf Course as well as

4660
03:25:23,439 --> 03:25:26,800
Lakeside Sports Park and and soon uh

4661
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:30,000
Springwater Park as well. So, that's a

4662
03:25:30,000 --> 03:25:32,239
great investment that we've made, one

4663
03:25:32,239 --> 03:25:36,800
that uh 20, 30, 50 years down the road

4664
03:25:36,800 --> 03:25:40,000
uh we believe that that the that the

4665
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:43,040
that our residents will like. We are

4666
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:45,920
grateful for the uh investments that

4667
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:47,760
have been made in the past. We'll we'll

4668
03:25:47,760 --> 03:25:50,720
be grateful for that facility as well.

4669
03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:53,439
>> Right. Thank you, Quinn. Thank you for

4670
03:25:53,439 --> 03:25:56,960
you and your team for working to have

4671
03:25:56,960 --> 03:25:58,800
such wonderful drinking water for us.

4672
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:01,760
Appreciate it. Council, do you have any

4673
03:26:01,760 --> 03:26:03,279
Okay, Council Member Gail.

4674
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:05,200
>> Crystal and I were just talking that we

4675
03:26:05,200 --> 03:26:06,560
didn't even know that National Drinking

4676
03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:08,560
Water Week was a thing, but we're really

4677
03:26:08,560 --> 03:26:10,080
glad it is. And I think since I've been

4678
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,080
on council now going on this is my third

4679
03:26:12,080 --> 03:26:14,080
year I think um I have been just

4680
03:26:14,080 --> 03:26:15,840
constantly marveling at the the work

4681
03:26:15,840 --> 03:26:17,760
that the public works team does that and

4682
03:26:17,760 --> 03:26:19,359
I just I turn on the faucet and there's

4683
03:26:19,359 --> 03:26:20,960
water and I just am so grateful. So

4684
03:26:20,960 --> 03:26:22,399
thank you for what you do.

4685
03:26:22,399 --> 03:26:24,239
>> In the words of Bobby Buchchet, we have

4686
03:26:24,239 --> 03:26:27,502
some high quality H2O.

4687
03:26:27,502 --> 03:26:28,239
[laughter]

4688
03:26:28,239 --> 03:26:30,239
>> Can I ask one question just since we're

4689
03:26:30,239 --> 03:26:32,479
coming into the spring and Chris you

4690
03:26:32,479 --> 03:26:35,359
addressed this last year in my area. we

4691
03:26:35,359 --> 03:26:37,760
had bubbles in our water and people were

4692
03:26:37,760 --> 03:26:40,960
concerned that that was a negative but

4693
03:26:40,960 --> 03:26:42,720
um my understanding was we addressed

4694
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:44,239
that and said no that's kind of what

4695
03:26:44,239 --> 03:26:46,479
happens when we have water from our

4696
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:48,319
springs the early mountain the early

4697
03:26:48,319 --> 03:26:51,920
runoff is would you just kind of explain

4698
03:26:51,920 --> 03:26:55,359
that a little bit or um yeah Quinn yeah

4699
03:26:55,359 --> 03:26:57,600
just so our residents understand

4700
03:26:57,600 --> 03:26:59,439
>> so sometimes we get air in the spring

4701
03:26:59,439 --> 03:27:01,359
water there's a couple different uh

4702
03:27:01,359 --> 03:27:03,680
causes uh number one the water is so

4703
03:27:03,680 --> 03:27:05,840
cold where it runs out of the out of the

4704
03:27:05,840 --> 03:27:07,920
mountain that that temperature change

4705
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:10,000
will will make little oxygen bubbles in

4706
03:27:10,000 --> 03:27:12,560
the water. And then on certain years in

4707
03:27:12,560 --> 03:27:15,200
real high flow conditions, sometimes um

4708
03:27:15,200 --> 03:27:17,439
we've seen as much as 5,000 gallons a

4709
03:27:17,439 --> 03:27:18,640
minute running out of the side of

4710
03:27:18,640 --> 03:27:21,120
Tempenogus and and we're putting that

4711
03:27:21,120 --> 03:27:23,520
right down into the tank and then uh

4712
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:25,040
with minimal treatment, just a little

4713
03:27:25,040 --> 03:27:26,399
bit of chlorine, it goes right to the

4714
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:27,840
residents and they're drinking pure

4715
03:27:27,840 --> 03:27:29,680
spring water. But with that, you might

4716
03:27:29,680 --> 03:27:31,840
get microbubbles in the water when the

4717
03:27:31,840 --> 03:27:33,680
flows are so high and the water's so

4718
03:27:33,680 --> 03:27:35,359
cold.

4719
03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:37,600
>> Without your Rocky Mountain High fresh

4720
03:27:37,600 --> 03:27:40,960
water, right? Okay.

4721
03:27:40,960 --> 03:27:42,800
>> Mayor and council, with your permission,

4722
03:27:42,800 --> 03:27:46,080
I think that uh ne this time next year,

4723
03:27:46,080 --> 03:27:49,200
we should have Pierre and Quinn bring

4724
03:27:49,200 --> 03:27:54,000
some H2O Orum water bottles as gifts

4725
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,239
>> for everyone at the council meeting.

4726
03:27:56,239 --> 03:27:58,399
What What do you say? I I agree. We're

4727
03:27:58,399 --> 03:28:01,359
just warm water right out of the

4728
03:28:01,359 --> 03:28:04,880
mountain. Yes. Thank you.

4729
03:28:04,880 --> 03:28:08,550
>> Thank you.

4730
03:28:08,560 --> 03:28:12,399
» The next item on our agenda is item 7.6,

4731
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:14,960
Utah City Managers Association awards

4732
03:28:14,960 --> 03:28:18,160
for the traffic tiger team and Jennica

4733
03:28:18,160 --> 03:28:21,600
Jones uh strategy and innovation man

4734
03:28:21,600 --> 03:28:24,160
innovations manager. So, we'll turn the

4735
03:28:24,160 --> 03:28:26,399
uh time over to Carrie Rug, our deputy

4736
03:28:26,399 --> 03:28:28,800
city manager.

4737
03:28:28,800 --> 03:28:31,520
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'd like to invite

4738
03:28:31,520 --> 03:28:33,520
the Tiger Traffic Team members that are

4739
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:35,840
here, as well as Jennica to come up. And

4740
03:28:35,840 --> 03:28:37,680
I want to share a little bit about these

4741
03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:40,080
awards. They're pretty cool. So, once a

4742
03:28:40,080 --> 03:28:42,399
year, the Utah City Managers Association

4743
03:28:42,399 --> 03:28:44,479
meets the same week as the ULCT

4744
03:28:44,479 --> 03:28:46,000
conference, so right before you guys

4745
03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:48,560
came down. Um and once a year they

4746
03:28:48,560 --> 03:28:50,800
choose three

4747
03:28:50,800 --> 03:28:53,439
uh awards to be given and two of the

4748
03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:55,439
three awards this year came to the city

4749
03:28:55,439 --> 03:28:57,439
of ORM out of all of the cities and

4750
03:28:57,439 --> 03:28:59,680
towns in Utah. So we're very proud of

4751
03:28:59,680 --> 03:29:02,000
these accomplishments. So the first one

4752
03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:04,640
goes to the Oram Tiger Traffic Team.

4753
03:29:04,640 --> 03:29:06,800
This was the brainchild of city manager

4754
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:08,880
Bren Bby public works director Chris

4755
03:29:08,880 --> 03:29:11,359
Shery and transportation engineer John

4756
03:29:11,359 --> 03:29:14,160
Dhy. This team was created to alleviate

4757
03:29:14,160 --> 03:29:16,640
traffic issues and patterns in ORM that

4758
03:29:16,640 --> 03:29:18,720
were frustrating residents. This

4759
03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:20,800
crossdep departmental team is made up of

4760
03:29:20,800 --> 03:29:23,439
the following employees. Taylor Forbush,

4761
03:29:23,439 --> 03:29:25,439
traffic operations manager. John

4762
03:29:25,439 --> 03:29:28,160
Dornney, transportation engineer. Bill

4763
03:29:28,160 --> 03:29:31,600
Peterson, streets manager. Tyler Pay,

4764
03:29:31,600 --> 03:29:33,840
former assistance public works director.

4765
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:36,160
Chris Shery, public works director.

4766
03:29:36,160 --> 03:29:38,640
Tagert Bowen, city engineer, and a

4767
03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:39,840
representative from the police

4768
03:29:39,840 --> 03:29:41,600
department, fire department, and city

4769
03:29:41,600 --> 03:29:43,840
manager department. This team meets

4770
03:29:43,840 --> 03:29:46,160
bi-weekly to review traffic issues and

4771
03:29:46,160 --> 03:29:48,640
comes up with solutions.

4772
03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:50,560
Congratulations to the Tiger Traffic

4773
03:29:50,560 --> 03:29:56,870
Team.

4774
03:29:56,880 --> 03:29:59,600
So, their award was uh program

4775
03:29:59,600 --> 03:30:03,120
excellence in a city. Then Jennica Jones

4776
03:30:03,120 --> 03:30:06,000
received the emerging leader of the year

4777
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:09,680
award. In 2023, Jennica Jones was named

4778
03:30:09,680 --> 03:30:11,439
as the division manager of the newly

4779
03:30:11,439 --> 03:30:13,359
created strategy and innovation division

4780
03:30:13,359 --> 03:30:15,920
for the city of ORM. Prior to this role

4781
03:30:15,920 --> 03:30:18,560
and espe especially in this role,

4782
03:30:18,560 --> 03:30:20,479
Jennica has proven herself to be an

4783
03:30:20,479 --> 03:30:22,479
emerging leader of the highest caliber

4784
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:24,399
in local government. Under her

4785
03:30:24,399 --> 03:30:26,239
leadership, the division has become a

4786
03:30:26,239 --> 03:30:28,239
central hub of problem solving and

4787
03:30:28,239 --> 03:30:30,560
solution focused research and innovation

4788
03:30:30,560 --> 03:30:32,479
for every department and division for

4789
03:30:32,479 --> 03:30:35,040
the city. Her division oversees grant

4790
03:30:35,040 --> 03:30:37,439
writing for the city, securing millions

4791
03:30:37,439 --> 03:30:39,680
of dollars in just two years.

4792
03:30:39,680 --> 03:30:41,680
Furthermore, she provides compensation

4793
03:30:41,680 --> 03:30:43,520
studies for all full-time city

4794
03:30:43,520 --> 03:30:46,080
employees, data dashboards, and head

4795
03:30:46,080 --> 03:30:48,319
steering committees. On any given day,

4796
03:30:48,319 --> 03:30:50,560
Jennica's team is directly contacted by

4797
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:52,399
a division or department within the city

4798
03:30:52,399 --> 03:30:54,800
for assistance of a problem. These

4799
03:30:54,800 --> 03:30:56,160
problems cover anything from

4800
03:30:56,160 --> 03:30:59,120
organizational to financial to HR. The

4801
03:30:59,120 --> 03:31:03,439
greatest testament to Janica's work, ethic, and acumen is the fact that

4802
03:31:03,439 --> 03:31:05,600
every member of the executive staff

4803
03:31:05,600 --> 03:31:07,279
trusts her and comes to her for

4804
03:31:07,279 --> 03:31:09,439
assistance with perplexing problems they

4805
03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:12,319
face. She leads her team with humility,

4806
03:31:12,319 --> 03:31:16,080
kindness, empathy, kindness, kindness,

4807
03:31:16,080 --> 03:31:18,319
empathy, hard work, and especially by

4808
03:31:18,319 --> 03:31:20,399
example. ORM city is incredibly

4809
03:31:20,399 --> 03:31:22,000
fortunate to have Jennica in their

4810
03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:23,840
ranks. Watching her emerge as a local

4811
03:31:23,840 --> 03:31:25,200
government leader is not only

4812
03:31:25,200 --> 03:31:27,840
inevitable, it's a joy. Congratulations

4813
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:31,750
to you all.

4814
03:31:31,760 --> 03:31:33,279
And we'd like to get a picture of you

4815
03:31:33,279 --> 03:31:53,510
guys with your awards with the council.

4816
03:31:53,520 --> 03:31:55,040
Okay,

4817
03:31:55,040 --> 03:31:58,710
perfect.

4818
03:31:58,720 --> 03:32:03,110
You got it.

4819
03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:08,710
Congratulations.

4820
03:32:08,720 --> 03:32:12,000
I do have to say at the Utah League of

4821
03:32:12,000 --> 03:32:13,439
Cities and Towns Conference, which was

4822
03:32:13,439 --> 03:32:17,439
held right after this, it began this

4823
03:32:17,439 --> 03:32:19,120
pretty much the same day or within a day

4824
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:21,200
of the of the conference where these

4825
03:32:21,200 --> 03:32:24,399
awards were given. I had the mayor of of

4826
03:32:24,399 --> 03:32:27,120
a community in the Salt Lake Valley text

4827
03:32:27,120 --> 03:32:29,520
me and say,

4828
03:32:29,520 --> 03:32:31,520
"We need to talk about your traffic

4829
03:32:31,520 --> 03:32:34,479
tiger team and we need to so they want

4830
03:32:34,479 --> 03:32:38,239
to come down and watch you deliberate.

4831
03:32:38,239 --> 03:32:40,202
not not to put pressure on you, but

4832
03:32:40,202 --> 03:32:40,960
[laughter]

4833
03:32:40,960 --> 03:32:42,640
the mayor and their staff want to come

4834
03:32:42,640 --> 03:32:45,120
and come and learn because it's

4835
03:32:45,120 --> 03:32:47,359
something that that's been so successful

4836
03:32:47,359 --> 03:32:49,920
for us here in ORM that other other

4837
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:51,600
communities are interested in it as

4838
03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:56,319
well. As this is item is the mayor's

4839
03:32:56,319 --> 03:32:59,279
report and items referred by council,

4840
03:32:59,279 --> 03:33:01,439
I'm just going to take a moment and just

4841
03:33:01,439 --> 03:33:02,960
share a couple of other pieces of

4842
03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:06,160
information not on the agenda for um you

4843
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:08,239
here in the public. You know, we one of

4844
03:33:08,239 --> 03:33:10,000
the priorities we have at the city is

4845
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:12,960
economic development and right we have

4846
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:14,399
been without an economic development

4847
03:33:14,399 --> 03:33:17,359
director and we've just hired a new e

4848
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:19,920
economic development director and he

4849
03:33:19,920 --> 03:33:23,840
will be starting on May May the May the

4850
03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:27,920
4th. That's a May 4th and we look

4851
03:33:27,920 --> 03:33:32,560
forward to him coming and and um sharing

4852
03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:34,000
his expertise.

4853
03:33:34,000 --> 03:33:35,840
has a lot of experience outside of the

4854
03:33:35,840 --> 03:33:38,960
state of Utah and but has has roots here

4855
03:33:38,960 --> 03:33:41,120
in Utah as well. And so we look forward

4856
03:33:41,120 --> 03:33:42,800
to having his name's Garrett. Look

4857
03:33:42,800 --> 03:33:45,680
forward to Garrett joining our team. We

4858
03:33:45,680 --> 03:33:48,479
also as a city a part of Jennica I'm

4859
03:33:48,479 --> 03:33:50,560
going to put Jennica on the spot here.

4860
03:33:50,560 --> 03:33:52,160
Uh, one of the things that we do get

4861
03:33:52,160 --> 03:33:53,680
emails about and we've had people come

4862
03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:55,920
for public comment about the future of

4863
03:33:55,920 --> 03:33:59,120
the North Union Canal and the city did

4864
03:33:59,120 --> 03:34:03,279
receive a grant of over $100,000

4865
03:34:03,279 --> 03:34:07,040
for a study to to look at the North

4866
03:34:07,040 --> 03:34:10,000
Union Canal. And so I want to extend my

4867
03:34:10,000 --> 03:34:12,560
appreciation to Jennica and her team and

4868
03:34:12,560 --> 03:34:15,520
others who participated in in getting

4869
03:34:15,520 --> 03:34:17,359
that grant for us so we can look at what

4870
03:34:17,359 --> 03:34:19,439
some of those options are.

4871
03:34:19,439 --> 03:34:20,720
All right, we'll move on to number

4872
03:34:20,720 --> 03:34:23,279
eight, our consent items. We have two

4873
03:34:23,279 --> 03:34:24,960
items on the consent calendar this

4874
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:26,880
evening. First one is approval of the

4875
03:34:26,880 --> 03:34:29,600
meeting minutes for March 10th, 2026,

4876
03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:33,840
April 14th, 2026, and April 15th, 2026.

4877
03:34:33,840 --> 03:34:36,239
And that was our very first joint tip

4878
03:34:36,239 --> 03:34:38,080
school district meeting, which was very

4879
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:39,439
I thought was very good and very

4880
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:42,960
productive. And item 8.2, an appointment

4881
03:34:42,960 --> 03:34:45,520
to the recreation advisory commission. I

4882
03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:48,319
see Chrissa here. Uh, Chrissa Robertson.

4883
03:34:48,319 --> 03:34:50,399
Is Stephanie here? Oh, there's

4884
03:34:50,399 --> 03:34:52,720
Stephanie. Okay. Um, would you mind,

4885
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:54,239
guys, would you mind standing up for

4886
03:34:54,239 --> 03:34:56,319
just a moment? We on our consent

4887
03:34:56,319 --> 03:34:58,960
calendar, we are

4888
03:34:58,960 --> 03:35:03,200
uh going to vote on appointing these two

4889
03:35:03,200 --> 03:35:05,359
uh fine community members to our

4890
03:35:05,359 --> 03:35:08,640
recreation advisory commission. So, I

4891
03:35:08,640 --> 03:35:10,720
would entertain a motion for consent

4892
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:11,439
items.

4893
03:35:11,439 --> 03:35:13,040
>> Mayor, I move that we approve the

4894
03:35:13,040 --> 03:35:14,640
consent items as outlined.

4895
03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:15,920
>> Right. We have a motion. Is there a

4896
03:35:15,920 --> 03:35:17,040
second? Second.

4897
03:35:17,040 --> 03:35:19,359
>> Right. Thank you. A motion in a second.

4898
03:35:19,359 --> 03:35:21,439
Um we'll go ahead and start with council

4899
03:35:21,439 --> 03:35:22,720
member Gail.

4900
03:35:22,720 --> 03:35:24,720
>> I I

4901
03:35:24,720 --> 03:35:27,840
>> I Quinn, it's your turn.

4902
03:35:27,840 --> 03:35:31,840
>> I

4903
03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:34,000
>> Right. Thank you. Passes unanimously.

4904
03:35:34,000 --> 03:35:36,800
Welcome. Appreciate your service for to

4905
03:35:36,800 --> 03:35:38,160
the recreation committee and to the

4906
03:35:38,160 --> 03:35:44,790
city. Thank you.

4907
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:46,160
All right. Right. The next item on our

4908
03:35:46,160 --> 03:35:48,720
agenda are public appearances.

4909
03:35:48,720 --> 03:35:50,319
So, looking at the list, we've got quite

4910
03:35:50,319 --> 03:35:53,680
an extensive list this evening. And I

4911
03:35:53,680 --> 03:35:57,040
noticed um we have uh we have two people

4912
03:35:57,040 --> 03:35:59,760
who would like to talk about

4913
03:35:59,760 --> 03:36:02,080
uh water drainage. And everybody else

4914
03:36:02,080 --> 03:36:03,840
would like to or we've got somebody who

4915
03:36:03,840 --> 03:36:06,529
wants to talk about street safety

4916
03:36:06,529 --> 03:36:08,160
[snorts] and and then everybody else

4917
03:36:08,160 --> 03:36:10,160
would like to speak about short-term

4918
03:36:10,160 --> 03:36:13,439
rentals and Airbnbs. So, I ask we will

4919
03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:15,359
give you we'll invite you to take up to

4920
03:36:15,359 --> 03:36:17,600
three minutes. One of the things I just

4921
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:20,800
I I with I politely ask is that um I

4922
03:36:20,800 --> 03:36:22,160
notice that some of you have spoken

4923
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:24,399
numerous times before the city council.

4924
03:36:24,399 --> 03:36:25,680
Of course, you're always welcome to

4925
03:36:25,680 --> 03:36:28,080
speak again, but just to remind you that

4926
03:36:28,080 --> 03:36:29,760
your your comments are already on the

4927
03:36:29,760 --> 03:36:32,720
public record. And so, if you don't want

4928
03:36:32,720 --> 03:36:36,080
to take all three minutes, that's fine.

4929
03:36:36,080 --> 03:36:38,000
But we'll go ahead and I'm gonna start

4930
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:41,840
with um Nicole Smith and then Elsie's

4931
03:36:41,840 --> 03:36:46,790
after Nicole.

4932
03:36:46,800 --> 03:36:48,319
Hello. So, as you know, I'm not here to

4933
03:36:48,319 --> 03:36:51,040
talk about Airbnbs. Um my house is one

4934
03:36:51,040 --> 03:36:53,120
of two houses that sits on a culde-sac

4935
03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:54,960
that's currently being developed by

4936
03:36:54,960 --> 03:36:56,800
Patterson Homes into the Belmont West

4937
03:36:56,800 --> 03:36:58,560
property. And I want to preface by

4938
03:36:58,560 --> 03:37:00,000
saying we actually really like the

4939
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:01,680
development. The houses are beautiful.

4940
03:37:01,680 --> 03:37:03,120
Um and my husband and I are excited to

4941
03:37:03,120 --> 03:37:04,560
have a culde-sac for our kids to play

4942
03:37:04,560 --> 03:37:06,800
in. Um, but we are a bit concerned about

4943
03:37:06,800 --> 03:37:09,040
the water drainage. Um, the houses have

4944
03:37:09,040 --> 03:37:11,600
been built up about 3 or 4 feet above

4945
03:37:11,600 --> 03:37:13,840
the two existing houses on the culde-sac

4946
03:37:13,840 --> 03:37:15,760
and even with the rain yesterday. We saw

4947
03:37:15,760 --> 03:37:17,520
some of it drain into it's currently an

4948
03:37:17,520 --> 03:37:18,640
empty lot, but they're planning on

4949
03:37:18,640 --> 03:37:20,479
building a house next to it. Um, and so

4950
03:37:20,479 --> 03:37:22,239
we're worried that with the drainage

4951
03:37:22,239 --> 03:37:23,680
it'll come onto our property and our

4952
03:37:23,680 --> 03:37:25,600
property could potentially flood given

4953
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:27,840
that we are so far below and like many

4954
03:37:27,840 --> 03:37:29,600
of you I assume we have a basement that

4955
03:37:29,600 --> 03:37:31,200
we're worried about the flood water

4956
03:37:31,200 --> 03:37:33,120
running into. Um and so we're hoping

4957
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:35,520
that the developer can be required to

4958
03:37:35,520 --> 03:37:37,840
put in some kind of drainage system um

4959
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:40,080
so that we do not have the water runoff

4960
03:37:40,080 --> 03:37:41,920
issues that we foresee happening. All

4961
03:37:41,920 --> 03:37:45,680
right. Thank you. Um Mr. McIn is that

4962
03:37:45,680 --> 03:37:52,319
who would you mind following up with them u with with Miss Smith and I

4963
03:37:52,319 --> 03:37:55,520
think um Miss Calls probably you will

4964
03:37:55,520 --> 03:37:57,279
have the same we'll be discussing the

4965
03:37:57,279 --> 03:37:58,800
same thing. I'll give you their contact

4966
03:37:58,800 --> 03:38:00,800
information.

4967
03:38:00,800 --> 03:38:02,720
Good. Welcome.

4968
03:38:02,720 --> 03:38:05,760
>> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, my

4969
03:38:05,760 --> 03:38:09,520
home is on the north side of the west

4970
03:38:09,520 --> 03:38:14,720
side of the Belmont West um, development

4971
03:38:14,720 --> 03:38:16,399
and

4972
03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:19,359
as Nicole said, the homes are built

4973
03:38:19,359 --> 03:38:23,040
quite a lot higher than our homes are.

4974
03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:25,279
And um

4975
03:38:25,279 --> 03:38:32,080
I went out yesterday and looked and from the

4976
03:38:32,080 --> 03:38:34,239
uh activity pad that they have beside

4977
03:38:34,239 --> 03:38:36,000
the garages

4978
03:38:36,000 --> 03:38:41,110
um there's about a 45 degree angle,

4979
03:38:41,110 --> 03:38:43,520
[clears throat] excuse me, uh down to my

4980
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:48,080
fence and then my fence is uh on the

4981
03:38:48,080 --> 03:38:50,960
other side of the fence is flat and I

4982
03:38:50,960 --> 03:38:53,840
have two bedroom windows on that side

4983
03:38:53,840 --> 03:38:56,720
and I am likewise concerned about the

4984
03:38:56,720 --> 03:39:00,000
drainage and hope that we'll be able to

4985
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:02,239
have something done about that. As

4986
03:39:02,239 --> 03:39:04,080
Nicole said, they're beautiful homes and

4987
03:39:04,080 --> 03:39:06,080
we're excited to see who gets to live in

4988
03:39:06,080 --> 03:39:10,560
them and uh we hope that we'll be able

4989
03:39:10,560 --> 03:39:12,399
to work something out on that line.

4990
03:39:12,399 --> 03:39:13,040
Thank you.

4991
03:39:13,040 --> 03:39:15,840
>> All right. Thank you,

4992
03:39:15,840 --> 03:39:17,279
>> Mayor. Can I make a comment about that,

4993
03:39:17,279 --> 03:39:19,120
too? Sure. So there's a number of

4994
03:39:19,120 --> 03:39:21,040
subdivisions where that issue, the one

4995
03:39:21,040 --> 03:39:24,239
on 1600 North, the other Belmont East, I

4996
03:39:24,239 --> 03:39:26,160
think done by Patterson's, those are

4997
03:39:26,160 --> 03:39:28,640
more like 8 ft out of the ground, higher

4998
03:39:28,640 --> 03:39:30,960
than the 6 to 8 ft higher than the homes

4999
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:33,760
that they back up against. The Canyon

5000
03:39:33,760 --> 03:39:36,080
Park development, the two buildings they

5001
03:39:36,080 --> 03:39:40,160
took down there. I've received um you

5002
03:39:40,160 --> 03:39:42,640
know, calls from residents, the west

5003
03:39:42,640 --> 03:39:45,439
side. Uh Crystal, what are those? six

5004
03:39:45,439 --> 03:39:48,880
feet higher again, eight feet. Um, this

5005
03:39:48,880 --> 03:39:53,520
is a an issue that I I concur with those

5006
03:39:53,520 --> 03:39:57,200
storms yes that we had yesterday. Um,

5007
03:39:57,200 --> 03:40:01,600
there's an obvious problem. So, just to

5008
03:40:01,600 --> 03:40:03,359
kind of add that to the list of

5009
03:40:03,359 --> 03:40:05,120
something that we need to address as a

5010
03:40:05,120 --> 03:40:05,840
council.

5011
03:40:05,840 --> 03:40:08,239
>> Okay. Thank you, Miss McIn. I just took

5012
03:40:08,239 --> 03:40:10,560
a picture of the sheet and and text it

5013
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:12,560
over to you so you have you have their

5014
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:14,720
contact information.

5015
03:40:14,720 --> 03:40:17,520
Thank you. All right, Matteline. Is it

5016
03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:19,439
Maline Dorton? Is that correct? All

5017
03:40:19,439 --> 03:40:22,160
right, Matteline,

5018
03:40:22,160 --> 03:40:25,910
welcome.

5019
03:40:25,920 --> 03:40:28,399
Thank you. Dear Madame Mayor and

5020
03:40:28,399 --> 03:40:30,160
honorable members of the Orm City

5021
03:40:30,160 --> 03:40:32,720
Council, I am Maline Dorton, a student

5022
03:40:32,720 --> 03:40:35,040
in fifth grade at Orchard Elementary. I

5023
03:40:35,040 --> 03:40:36,640
am here to bring a safety concern to

5024
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:39,040
your attention and offer a solution. I

5025
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:41,359
walk along the road 950 north between

5026
03:40:41,359 --> 03:40:44,399
600 East and 700 East right in front of

5027
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:46,479
Canyon View Junior High to get to school

5028
03:40:46,479 --> 03:40:48,160
and my parents often drive along that

5029
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:51,040
road. Problem. I have noticed that cars

5030
03:40:51,040 --> 03:40:52,720
cannot park on the north side because of

5031
03:40:52,720 --> 03:40:54,640
the fire lane. So, they must park their

5032
03:40:54,640 --> 03:40:56,800
cars on the south side. This is a

5033
03:40:56,800 --> 03:40:58,160
problem because there is not enough

5034
03:40:58,160 --> 03:41:00,319
space to park cars on the south side and

5035
03:41:00,319 --> 03:41:02,319
have cars driving east in that south

5036
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:04,800
lane. This is because the south side

5037
03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:07,439
lane is only 16 ft wide and the north

5038
03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:11,040
side is 23 1/2 ft wide. Solution. To

5039
03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:12,880
solve this problem, I am proposing that

5040
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:15,359
this street center lines be repainted so

5041
03:41:15,359 --> 03:41:18,960
that the lanes are equal at 19.75 ft,

5042
03:41:18,960 --> 03:41:21,040
which should be in the middle. This act

5043
03:41:21,040 --> 03:41:22,800
will help cars driving on the south side

5044
03:41:22,800 --> 03:41:24,960
of the street drive safely and not need

5045
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:26,960
to drive over the center line. Thank you

5046
03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:29,279
for your time and consideration.

5047
03:41:29,279 --> 03:41:30,560
>> Thank you. Thank you for bringing that

5048
03:41:30,560 --> 03:41:35,190
to our attention.

5049
03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:42,080
Mr. Shery, I will text you the copy of Miss Dorton's information so you can

5050
03:41:42,080 --> 03:41:44,399
follow up with her on that. So, thank

5051
03:41:44,399 --> 03:41:46,080
you.

5052
03:41:46,080 --> 03:41:48,399
All right.

5053
03:41:48,399 --> 03:41:51,520
Next, we have Jenny. Is it Hannah Bomb?

5054
03:41:51,520 --> 03:41:52,880
>> Yes.

5055
03:41:52,880 --> 03:41:54,880
>> Oh, I'm glad I I said that right. You

5056
03:41:54,880 --> 03:41:55,680
did. Oh, [laughter]

5057
03:41:55,680 --> 03:42:00,710
>> good. Welcome.

5058
03:42:00,720 --> 03:42:05,110
Oh,

5059
03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:09,439
I apologize. Um, you did get that right.

5060
03:42:09,439 --> 03:42:13,120
Thank you. Not many people do. My name's

5061
03:42:13,120 --> 03:42:17,359
Jenny Hannibal and I am Grandma Jenny.

5062
03:42:17,359 --> 03:42:21,359
Two very important people in my life. Um

5063
03:42:21,359 --> 03:42:25,120
this morning I was driving my grandson

5064
03:42:25,120 --> 03:42:28,640
to his school and he turned to me and he

5065
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:32,319
said, "Grandma, did you know that an art

5066
03:42:32,319 --> 03:42:36,479
teacher in my um uh in the school that

5067
03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:39,200
I'm going to go to um next year, the

5068
03:42:39,200 --> 03:42:41,040
junior high,

5069
03:42:41,040 --> 03:42:43,680
was arrested for sexual abuse of the

5070
03:42:43,680 --> 03:42:45,760
some of the children?"

5071
03:42:45,760 --> 03:42:47,680
And I looked at him and I said, "No, I

5072
03:42:47,680 --> 03:42:50,239
did not know that." And I was kind of

5073
03:42:50,239 --> 03:42:53,120
upset. So I dropped him off and I went

5074
03:42:53,120 --> 03:42:55,680
home

5075
03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:57,920
and pulled in my little grandma house,

5076
03:42:57,920 --> 03:43:01,200
which is very small house. And I have an

5077
03:43:01,200 --> 03:43:05,040
RBNB right next door to me. And it is 24

5078
03:43:05,040 --> 03:43:09,520
feet and a couple of inches. Their wall

5079
03:43:09,520 --> 03:43:12,080
is 24 feet and a couple of inches away

5080
03:43:12,080 --> 03:43:15,359
from my back door.

5081
03:43:15,359 --> 03:43:19,760
um my husband or Papa Mike to some

5082
03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:24,319
important people. Um and I we live there

5083
03:43:24,319 --> 03:43:26,560
and people who come in and they're there

5084
03:43:26,560 --> 03:43:27,840
for a night or two and then they're

5085
03:43:27,840 --> 03:43:29,199
gone. We don't know who these people

5086
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:30,880
are. We don't know where they come from

5087
03:43:30,880 --> 03:43:34,080
all over the world. Who knows? Um we

5088
03:43:34,080 --> 03:43:37,920
make jokes about it. And um after today,

5089
03:43:37,920 --> 03:43:40,000
I kind of felt like after what my son

5090
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:44,560
said, Orm City is Family City, USA.

5091
03:43:44,560 --> 03:43:46,479
Um,

5092
03:43:46,479 --> 03:43:49,279
and I was upset and worried about who

5093
03:43:49,279 --> 03:43:52,000
was coming in because I don't know when

5094
03:43:52,000 --> 03:43:54,880
that house went up for sale, [snorts] we

5095
03:43:54,880 --> 03:43:56,479
were in the neighborhood real excited

5096
03:43:56,479 --> 03:43:59,760
and happy to hear about it about you

5097
03:43:59,760 --> 03:44:02,479
know these people and we thought

5098
03:44:02,479 --> 03:44:05,520
we will be getting a really cute family

5099
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:07,840
which will be a little family to add to

5100
03:44:07,840 --> 03:44:10,560
our neighborhood. instead we got an

5101
03:44:10,560 --> 03:44:12,319
autob

5102
03:44:12,319 --> 03:44:15,760
and um I've unve I've I've learned a lot

5103
03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:17,760
in just the past little while and let me

5104
03:44:17,760 --> 03:44:19,120
tell you some of the stuff that I've

5105
03:44:19,120 --> 03:44:25,760
heard that um outside investors

5106
03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:28,399
increase and increase local rental costs

5107
03:44:28,399 --> 03:44:32,319
because Airbnbs and vbo get vacation

5108
03:44:32,319 --> 03:44:36,319
rental rates increase in home prices

5109
03:44:36,319 --> 03:44:40,479
home purchase prices by reducing

5110
03:44:40,479 --> 03:44:42,960
owner occupied house stock. It degrades

5111
03:44:42,960 --> 03:44:44,960
our neighborhoods sometimes with

5112
03:44:44,960 --> 03:44:48,080
partying noise and stranger danger

5113
03:44:48,080 --> 03:44:50,960
including uncontrolled access of for p

5114
03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:53,840
uncontrolled access of pedophiles, sex

5115
03:44:53,840 --> 03:44:56,319
offenders, and even possibly felons,

5116
03:44:56,319 --> 03:44:58,560
drug dealers, and terrorists of various

5117
03:44:58,560 --> 03:45:02,479
sorts. overflow of our street parking

5118
03:45:02,479 --> 03:45:04,880
and it reduces public school student

5119
03:45:04,880 --> 03:45:06,960
body in our new district by occupying

5120
03:45:06,960 --> 03:45:10,080
housing stock for purposes that do not

5121
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:12,720
include full school year occupancy of

5122
03:45:12,720 --> 03:45:17,680
families with children. There are 527

5123
03:45:17,680 --> 03:45:21,359
I believe houses

5124
03:45:21,359 --> 03:45:25,680
and vacation homes in ORM. Those homes

5125
03:45:25,680 --> 03:45:28,880
could be full of a family.

5126
03:45:28,880 --> 03:45:32,399
We are having family housing shortages.

5127
03:45:32,399 --> 03:45:41,030
Here's a start. And um [clears throat]

5128
03:45:41,040 --> 03:45:43,199
that

5129
03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:46,160
I'm sorry, this is very nerve-wracking.

5130
03:45:46,160 --> 03:45:48,479
And um uh so [clears throat] of those fi

5131
03:45:48,479 --> 03:45:52,239
5 527 homes, I've heard some stories

5132
03:45:52,239 --> 03:45:56,000
that they um one one lady said that an

5133
03:45:56,000 --> 03:45:59,520
RBNB person, a man,

5134
03:45:59,520 --> 03:46:03,359
she found him in her yard talking to her

5135
03:46:03,359 --> 03:46:07,359
5-year-old daughter. Not acceptable.

5136
03:46:07,359 --> 03:46:09,760
And another one of a home up on up that

5137
03:46:09,760 --> 03:46:12,080
had has a swimming pool. They woke up

5138
03:46:12,080 --> 03:46:13,680
one night with a bunch of people in

5139
03:46:13,680 --> 03:46:15,920
their swimming pool. And I don't know if

5140
03:46:15,920 --> 03:46:17,439
you've already heard about that. I

5141
03:46:17,439 --> 03:46:20,800
listen listened a little bit to your um

5142
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:26,160
to your previous um u meeting and it was a little bit it was very

5143
03:46:26,160 --> 03:46:28,399
interesting. But I would like to share

5144
03:46:28,399 --> 03:46:30,640
those thoughts with you. Thank you for

5145
03:46:30,640 --> 03:46:31,120
your time.

5146
03:46:31,120 --> 03:46:32,880
>> Thank you. Appreciate you coming this

5147
03:46:32,880 --> 03:46:33,279
evening.

5148
03:46:33,279 --> 03:46:34,560
>> I'll see if I can make it back to my

5149
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:34,800
seat.

5150
03:46:34,800 --> 03:46:37,040
>> Oh, you're going to be

5151
03:46:37,040 --> 03:46:44,550
Thank you. Um next we have David Busith.

5152
03:46:44,560 --> 03:46:45,279
Welcome.

5153
03:46:45,279 --> 03:46:48,399
>> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm

5154
03:46:48,399 --> 03:46:50,160
grateful to be here and grateful for all

5155
03:46:50,160 --> 03:46:52,720
you do. My name is David Busith and I

5156
03:46:52,720 --> 03:46:55,600
have been thinking about rentals in

5157
03:46:55,600 --> 03:46:58,560
residential zones in ORM for the past 8

5158
03:46:58,560 --> 03:47:01,920
years. Wondering how we can discourage

5159
03:47:01,920 --> 03:47:05,120
investor ownership of single family

5160
03:47:05,120 --> 03:47:09,359
homes. Tamp down on illegal rental usage

5161
03:47:09,359 --> 03:47:13,520
of owner occupied single family homes.

5162
03:47:13,520 --> 03:47:16,479
enforce current accessory dwelling unit

5163
03:47:16,479 --> 03:47:20,080
laws and avoid zone changes that

5164
03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:23,359
increase population density in our city.

5165
03:47:23,359 --> 03:47:25,520
All of these things are important to me

5166
03:47:25,520 --> 03:47:28,239
as a resident of Orurin because of

5167
03:47:28,239 --> 03:47:31,120
creeping urbanization.

5168
03:47:31,120 --> 03:47:33,439
It degrades our familyfriendly

5169
03:47:33,439 --> 03:47:35,680
neighborhoods.

5170
03:47:35,680 --> 03:47:38,560
In my opinion, from my experience living

5171
03:47:38,560 --> 03:47:41,760
25 years in southwest Om and six years

5172
03:47:41,760 --> 03:47:45,439
in Northeast Om, the decay to my eye has

5173
03:47:45,439 --> 03:47:47,840
been horrible and accelerating as

5174
03:47:47,840 --> 03:47:50,880
evidenced by school closures, traffic,

5175
03:47:50,880 --> 03:47:55,359
and to my eye, yard upkeep.

5176
03:47:55,359 --> 03:47:57,760
For the past year, maybe two, you have

5177
03:47:57,760 --> 03:48:00,160
been debating whether and how to allow

5178
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:02,960
short-term rentals like Airbnb and BBO

5179
03:48:02,960 --> 03:48:05,840
in the city, considering that transient

5180
03:48:05,840 --> 03:48:09,279
lodging is not permitted land use in

5181
03:48:09,279 --> 03:48:12,239
residential zones, but is increasingly

5182
03:48:12,239 --> 03:48:14,319
common.

5183
03:48:14,319 --> 03:48:17,760
It's incomprehensible to me that there

5184
03:48:17,760 --> 03:48:20,560
would be any tendency toward further

5185
03:48:20,560 --> 03:48:23,120
urbanization.

5186
03:48:23,120 --> 03:48:27,680
STRs would add to that pressure.

5187
03:48:27,680 --> 03:48:30,239
Yes, landlords would like to get high

5188
03:48:30,239 --> 03:48:32,000
rental incomes, but the high rental

5189
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:34,479
incomes

5190
03:48:34,479 --> 03:48:38,160
would attract even more investors.

5191
03:48:38,160 --> 03:48:39,840
We need [snorts] single family homes for

5192
03:48:39,840 --> 03:48:41,920
young families, in my opinion, with

5193
03:48:41,920 --> 03:48:44,640
children to fill our schools, not

5194
03:48:44,640 --> 03:48:46,800
vacationers.

5195
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:49,680
So, I fully oppose STRs and I recommend

5196
03:48:49,680 --> 03:48:52,160
instead of doing that instead of doing

5197
03:48:52,160 --> 03:48:54,399
away with the longstanding

5198
03:48:54,399 --> 03:48:57,439
ordinance against trenchant lodging in

5199
03:48:57,439 --> 03:49:01,199
residential zones that the city focus on

5200
03:49:01,199 --> 03:49:04,479
discouragement of investorowned houses

5201
03:49:04,479 --> 03:49:06,960
and illegal rentals, including

5202
03:49:06,960 --> 03:49:10,080
short-term rentals, through all legal

5203
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:12,399
means possible. Thank you.

5204
03:49:12,399 --> 03:49:14,399
>> Thank you.

5205
03:49:14,399 --> 03:49:16,800
Right.

5206
03:49:16,800 --> 03:49:25,269
We next we have Nico Romney.

5207
03:49:25,279 --> 03:49:27,920
Hello. Thank you so much for hearing us

5208
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:32,800
out here. Um I uh have 37 short-term

5209
03:49:32,800 --> 03:49:35,040
rentals all throughout the state of

5210
03:49:35,040 --> 03:49:38,800
Utah. We have rentals from Ogden all the

5211
03:49:38,800 --> 03:49:40,720
way down to St. George. We actually

5212
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:43,439
operate in 15 different cities. So, we

5213
03:49:43,439 --> 03:49:45,120
just appreciate that the city is even

5214
03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:48,080
willing to have a conversation and and

5215
03:49:48,080 --> 03:49:50,560
discuss this with us. Just a little bit

5216
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:53,760
about us, we are very family centered.

5217
03:49:53,760 --> 03:49:56,560
Our homes are very much set up

5218
03:49:56,560 --> 03:49:58,800
encouraging families to stay in our

5219
03:49:58,800 --> 03:50:01,600
homes and encouraging people who are

5220
03:50:01,600 --> 03:50:05,359
traveling for work, who are bringing

5221
03:50:05,359 --> 03:50:11,279
economic development into our cities and setting up our homes in that way. We

5222
03:50:11,279 --> 03:50:14,479
are very neighbor conscious in anything

5223
03:50:14,479 --> 03:50:18,800
that we set up. We encourage

5224
03:50:18,800 --> 03:50:22,160
setting up quiet experiences for the

5225
03:50:22,160 --> 03:50:25,199
renters. We lean towards movie theater

5226
03:50:25,199 --> 03:50:28,160
rooms and pingpong tables in basement

5227
03:50:28,160 --> 03:50:31,120
versus hot tubs and other outdoor

5228
03:50:31,120 --> 03:50:33,920
activities so that if there is any

5229
03:50:33,920 --> 03:50:36,160
noise, the noise is contained within the

5230
03:50:36,160 --> 03:50:41,040
home. We have um we have decibel meters

5231
03:50:41,040 --> 03:50:43,279
in our homes so that we can catch it

5232
03:50:43,279 --> 03:50:45,600
before neighbors catch it if there is an

5233
03:50:45,600 --> 03:50:50,800
issue. We encourage longer stays. Um as

5234
03:50:50,800 --> 03:50:53,199
far as we push for at least a 2-day

5235
03:50:53,199 --> 03:50:55,520
minimum, but most of our stays we're

5236
03:50:55,520 --> 03:50:58,720
seeing anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks is

5237
03:50:58,720 --> 03:51:00,960
what we're pushing for. The people

5238
03:51:00,960 --> 03:51:03,279
staying for those times are people who

5239
03:51:03,279 --> 03:51:06,560
are between real estate transactions.

5240
03:51:06,560 --> 03:51:08,960
With such an interesting real estate

5241
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:10,960
market right now, many people are

5242
03:51:10,960 --> 03:51:14,000
deciding to sell their home and get it

5243
03:51:14,000 --> 03:51:17,680
completely closed, renting an Airbnb,

5244
03:51:17,680 --> 03:51:19,840
and then going out shopping for a home

5245
03:51:19,840 --> 03:51:21,199
so that they don't have those

5246
03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:23,120
contingencies and so that they can get

5247
03:51:23,120 --> 03:51:26,080
into the home that they would like. Um,

5248
03:51:26,080 --> 03:51:29,760
we we push for

5249
03:51:29,760 --> 03:51:32,800
these renters. We send reminders and as

5250
03:51:32,800 --> 03:51:34,960
far as I know there's a lot of concern

5251
03:51:34,960 --> 03:51:37,760
about who is in the home. Uh, one thing

5252
03:51:37,760 --> 03:51:40,800
that we do to help us just understand

5253
03:51:40,800 --> 03:51:44,160
who is in the home is we do collect IDs.

5254
03:51:44,160 --> 03:51:46,399
So, we have photo identification for

5255
03:51:46,399 --> 03:51:48,960
whoever is staying within the home. So

5256
03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:51,600
if there were to be a problem that maybe

5257
03:51:51,600 --> 03:51:53,520
the city gets involved or someone else

5258
03:51:53,520 --> 03:51:56,880
is getting involved, we know exactly who

5259
03:51:56,880 --> 03:51:59,279
was in the home and we can work with the

5260
03:51:59,279 --> 03:52:00,800
city, we can work with the police

5261
03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:04,560
department and just encourage people to

5262
03:52:04,560 --> 03:52:06,479
let us know who they are. For the most

5263
03:52:06,479 --> 03:52:08,239
part, we have families. We have people

5264
03:52:08,239 --> 03:52:10,640
coming and staying, going to BYU

5265
03:52:10,640 --> 03:52:13,760
graduations, BYU activities, UVU

5266
03:52:13,760 --> 03:52:18,399
activities. And so, we just um ask for

5267
03:52:18,399 --> 03:52:20,000
fair

5268
03:52:20,000 --> 03:52:22,720
um regulation on it where you let us

5269
03:52:22,720 --> 03:52:25,520
have it. Um in my experience working

5270
03:52:25,520 --> 03:52:28,399
with so many different cities, knowing

5271
03:52:28,399 --> 03:52:30,880
where they are is one of the biggest

5272
03:52:30,880 --> 03:52:33,359
things that helps a city to enforce the

5273
03:52:33,359 --> 03:52:36,000
rules. If they know where it is and they

5274
03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:39,120
have a license and they have the means

5275
03:52:39,120 --> 03:52:42,080
to revoke those licenses if there are

5276
03:52:42,080 --> 03:52:44,479
continued issues,

5277
03:52:44,479 --> 03:52:47,199
then most of those issues are solved. We

5278
03:52:47,199 --> 03:52:49,920
have Park City, we have St. George, we

5279
03:52:49,920 --> 03:52:52,239
have everywhere from Ogden to St.

5280
03:52:52,239 --> 03:52:54,880
George. So, we just appreciate you guys

5281
03:52:54,880 --> 03:52:56,000
considering it.

5282
03:52:56,000 --> 03:52:56,800
>> Thank you so much.

5283
03:52:56,800 --> 03:52:58,479
>> Nico, where do you live?

5284
03:52:58,479 --> 03:53:01,600
>> I live in Bluffell. We have cleaners in

5285
03:53:01,600 --> 03:53:04,720
Oram. We have several team members all

5286
03:53:04,720 --> 03:53:06,160
over Utah County.

5287
03:53:06,160 --> 03:53:08,319
>> How many owns do you own in ORM?

5288
03:53:08,319 --> 03:53:11,359
>> Uh, we have one in Oram.

5289
03:53:11,359 --> 03:53:11,840
>> Thank you.

5290
03:53:11,840 --> 03:53:12,800
>> Uh-huh.

5291
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:14,399
>> All right. Thank you. I see that your

5292
03:53:14,399 --> 03:53:15,600
name's on here twice. Looks like

5293
03:53:15,600 --> 03:53:17,680
different people wrote uh maybe someone

5294
03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:19,279
signed up for you before before you got

5295
03:53:19,279 --> 03:53:21,040
here, so I'll just Okay. Just want to

5296
03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:25,120
make sure. Okay. Um, thank you.

5297
03:53:25,120 --> 03:53:37,110
Okay. Jordan Coway.

5298
03:53:37,120 --> 03:53:39,279
Hi, my name is Jordan. I've been here

5299
03:53:39,279 --> 03:53:40,880
before and spoken, so I'm not going to

5300
03:53:40,880 --> 03:53:44,319
speak too long, but um I've from ORM,

5301
03:53:44,319 --> 03:53:47,600
live in ORM, raising my kids in ORM, and

5302
03:53:47,600 --> 03:53:49,680
um we had an Airbnb in our neighborhood.

5303
03:53:49,680 --> 03:53:52,479
It's since been shut down. Um, but I'm

5304
03:53:52,479 --> 03:53:54,880
just still really passionate about the

5305
03:53:54,880 --> 03:53:57,920
issue. Um, but we're not here tonight to

5306
03:53:57,920 --> 03:53:59,359
debate whether you enjoy short-term

5307
03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:00,880
rentals or whether you use them or

5308
03:54:00,880 --> 03:54:03,040
whether these hosts are fivestar hosts.

5309
03:54:03,040 --> 03:54:04,560
We are here to decide whether or not

5310
03:54:04,560 --> 03:54:06,720
short-term rentals are conducive to the

5311
03:54:06,720 --> 03:54:08,640
building up of our city. And the answer

5312
03:54:08,640 --> 03:54:10,720
is they're not. As I look back on what

5313
03:54:10,720 --> 03:54:12,640
you as a city council have stated you

5314
03:54:12,640 --> 03:54:14,319
represent and your desires for this

5315
03:54:14,319 --> 03:54:17,600
city, short-term rentals do not align

5316
03:54:17,600 --> 03:54:20,080
with those remarks. Mr. Lamson, you've

5317
03:54:20,080 --> 03:54:21,680
mentioned that you miss the quaint small

5318
03:54:21,680 --> 03:54:23,520
town feel and want your kids and

5319
03:54:23,520 --> 03:54:25,199
grandkids to be able to live here and

5320
03:54:25,199 --> 03:54:27,600
appreciate neighbors. Short-term rentals

5321
03:54:27,600 --> 03:54:30,080
take all those away. The STR home in our

5322
03:54:30,080 --> 03:54:32,399
neighborhood outbid two families because

5323
03:54:32,399 --> 03:54:34,000
when it's a business and making several

5324
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:37,920
thousand a year, it's no problem. Mayor,

5325
03:54:37,920 --> 03:54:39,359
you stated that you're not interested in

5326
03:54:39,359 --> 03:54:40,960
building thousands more apartments or

5327
03:54:40,960 --> 03:54:43,600
hundreds more apartments because we are

5328
03:54:43,600 --> 03:54:45,120
already built out. What you're

5329
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:47,840
interested in is how can we make our

5330
03:54:47,840 --> 03:54:49,199
neighborhoods stronger and how we can

5331
03:54:49,199 --> 03:54:50,720
bring more people into our neighborhoods

5332
03:54:50,720 --> 03:54:52,319
that are going to be living here.

5333
03:54:52,319 --> 03:54:55,279
Short-term rentals are not the answer.

5334
03:54:55,279 --> 03:54:57,279
Jen, you stated, "Hands down, ORM's

5335
03:54:57,279 --> 03:54:58,960
biggest strength are the people in the

5336
03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:01,199
city, the citizens of ORM. Short-term

5337
03:55:01,199 --> 03:55:03,359
rentals do not bring citizens to ORM."

5338
03:55:03,359 --> 03:55:04,720
I'm not here tonight because I have

5339
03:55:04,720 --> 03:55:06,080
money on the line. I'm here tonight

5340
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:08,160
because I genuinely am concerned about

5341
03:55:08,160 --> 03:55:09,760
what allowing short-term rentals would

5342
03:55:09,760 --> 03:55:11,520
do to our neighborhoods, what they're

5343
03:55:11,520 --> 03:55:13,359
already doing to our neighborhoods. I'm

5344
03:55:13,359 --> 03:55:14,399
concerned what they're going to do to

5345
03:55:14,399 --> 03:55:17,359
our schools. With 522 operating already,

5346
03:55:17,359 --> 03:55:19,760
that's about an average of 37.7

5347
03:55:19,760 --> 03:55:22,000
short-term rentals per elementary school

5348
03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:23,520
boundary.

5349
03:55:23,520 --> 03:55:25,840
That is devastating to our schools and

5350
03:55:25,840 --> 03:55:28,080
the already declining enrollment. I know

5351
03:55:28,080 --> 03:55:29,520
you all love the city or you wouldn't be

5352
03:55:29,520 --> 03:55:30,960
up there on that stand. Please stand

5353
03:55:30,960 --> 03:55:32,319
behind your words and keep ORM's

5354
03:55:32,319 --> 03:55:33,840
neighborhood strong, full of families

5355
03:55:33,840 --> 03:55:35,359
safe, and make them a place where our

5356
03:55:35,359 --> 03:55:37,439
children and grandchildren can live. No

5357
03:55:37,439 --> 03:55:39,359
amount of profit justifies destroying

5358
03:55:39,359 --> 03:55:42,880
our neighborhoods and city.

5359
03:55:42,880 --> 03:55:46,000
Thank you.

5360
03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:46,239
Hey,

5361
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:48,880
>> next we have Stephanie Hathaway.

5362
03:55:48,880 --> 03:55:53,030
Welcome.

5363
03:55:53,040 --> 03:55:56,160
» Hi, my name is Stephanie Hathaway. I

5364
03:55:56,160 --> 03:55:58,800
grew up in Oram and went to Tempenogus.

5365
03:55:58,800 --> 03:56:00,960
I always dreamed of staying in Oram and

5366
03:56:00,960 --> 03:56:03,439
raising my family here. I'm married to a

5367
03:56:03,439 --> 03:56:05,439
state trooper and I care deeply about

5368
03:56:05,439 --> 03:56:08,160
our neighborhoods and community. I can't

5369
03:56:08,160 --> 03:56:10,239
even begin to tell you what a nightmare

5370
03:56:10,239 --> 03:56:12,560
the last year and a half has been

5371
03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:14,239
spending all this time fighting these

5372
03:56:14,239 --> 03:56:15,840
Airbnbs.

5373
03:56:15,840 --> 03:56:17,920
I live next door to the second goat

5374
03:56:17,920 --> 03:56:20,479
house, if you will, that the city shut

5375
03:56:20,479 --> 03:56:23,359
down after about a year of running it as

5376
03:56:23,359 --> 03:56:25,760
a whole home Airbnb.

5377
03:56:25,760 --> 03:56:27,920
The main owner, David, who by the way

5378
03:56:27,920 --> 03:56:31,120
does not live in Orm either, um, got up

5379
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:32,800
here a few weeks ago trying to make it

5380
03:56:32,800 --> 03:56:34,640
sound like he was an ORM resident when

5381
03:56:34,640 --> 03:56:37,760
he isn't. He also got up here and lied

5382
03:56:37,760 --> 03:56:41,199
and said, "We've sent in 750 complaints

5383
03:56:41,199 --> 03:56:43,760
and tried making my husband and me feel

5384
03:56:43,760 --> 03:56:46,080
very small for being renters in a house.

5385
03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:48,399
My parents helped us out to buy to raise

5386
03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:51,199
our family in long-term and tried to

5387
03:56:51,199 --> 03:56:53,600
compare it to his illegally rented out

5388
03:56:53,600 --> 03:56:55,840
short-term rental, and that is not the

5389
03:56:55,840 --> 03:56:58,319
same thing at all. The owners have been

5390
03:56:58,319 --> 03:57:00,319
nothing but horrible and nasty once they

5391
03:57:00,319 --> 03:57:02,479
knew we were going to fight them on it.

5392
03:57:02,479 --> 03:57:04,399
And I have it on video proof that they

5393
03:57:04,399 --> 03:57:06,399
lied to a police officer that came by

5394
03:57:06,399 --> 03:57:08,640
and told him they'd been given a

5395
03:57:08,640 --> 03:57:10,720
variance by the city, which again would

5396
03:57:10,720 --> 03:57:15,840
be illegal. Uh both lying to a cop, and

5397
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:17,600
if they were given the variance by the

5398
03:57:17,600 --> 03:57:20,239
city, um they've lied to their guests,

5399
03:57:20,239 --> 03:57:22,479
they've lied to our faces, which has

5400
03:57:22,479 --> 03:57:25,439
made the guests be even more enemies to

5401
03:57:25,439 --> 03:57:27,600
everybody on our street. We've dealt

5402
03:57:27,600 --> 03:57:29,439
with them coming on people's property,

5403
03:57:29,439 --> 03:57:31,680
arguing with us, flipping us off,

5404
03:57:31,680 --> 03:57:33,439
calling us names, leaving trash

5405
03:57:33,439 --> 03:57:35,439
everywhere, parking in front of our

5406
03:57:35,439 --> 03:57:37,359
house, calling our neighbors work to try

5407
03:57:37,359 --> 03:57:39,279
to get him in trouble, ringing our

5408
03:57:39,279 --> 03:57:40,880
doorbell because they throw their balls

5409
03:57:40,880 --> 03:57:43,120
in our backyard, smelling marijuana

5410
03:57:43,120 --> 03:57:45,520
smoke, swearing non-stop, and being so

5411
03:57:45,520 --> 03:57:48,160
loud after hours it wakes my family

5412
03:57:48,160 --> 03:57:51,840
upstairs in our bedrooms. They

5413
03:57:51,840 --> 03:57:53,920
didn't take care of their lawn well

5414
03:57:53,920 --> 03:57:56,560
despite lying to me that they've they

5415
03:57:56,560 --> 03:57:59,439
spent $700 a month on it. Their trees

5416
03:57:59,439 --> 03:58:01,520
are encroaching on our property. Their

5417
03:58:01,520 --> 03:58:03,359
sprinkler system has flooded into our

5418
03:58:03,359 --> 03:58:05,600
backyard because again the owners don't

5419
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:08,080
live there to monitor everything. Their

5420
03:58:08,080 --> 03:58:10,080
lawn person mowed into our grass super

5421
03:58:10,080 --> 03:58:13,040
short and scalped it and they never made

5422
03:58:13,040 --> 03:58:15,279
it right. Their guests would park school

5423
03:58:15,279 --> 03:58:17,520
buses outside where people can't see

5424
03:58:17,520 --> 03:58:20,239
around corners driving by. And [snorts]

5425
03:58:20,239 --> 03:58:22,319
I'm not kidding, almost every other day

5426
03:58:22,319 --> 03:58:24,640
they had a car blocking the sidewalk,

5427
03:58:24,640 --> 03:58:26,239
which when I texted them, they didn't

5428
03:58:26,239 --> 03:58:28,800
care at all about. Um, one of their

5429
03:58:28,800 --> 03:58:32,720
groups even left out open alcohol that

5430
03:58:32,720 --> 03:58:35,760
was half full outside on a truck bed and

5431
03:58:35,760 --> 03:58:37,199
children could have easily grabbed it

5432
03:58:37,199 --> 03:58:39,439
and drank it. Statistically, more

5433
03:58:39,439 --> 03:58:41,520
homicides and drug deals and

5434
03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:44,080
prostitution happens at Airbnbs, and

5435
03:58:44,080 --> 03:58:45,680
we've dealt with absolute hell from

5436
03:58:45,680 --> 03:58:48,239
them. Unfortunately, if the city hadn't

5437
03:58:48,239 --> 03:58:50,080
done the right thing and shut the home

5438
03:58:50,080 --> 03:58:53,359
down after all the proof was sent in, we

5439
03:58:53,359 --> 03:58:55,199
were definitely planning on teaming up

5440
03:58:55,199 --> 03:58:57,120
and suing. Um, I [clears throat] might

5441
03:58:57,120 --> 03:58:59,439
not be super rich, but my parents are

5442
03:58:59,439 --> 03:59:01,279
who own the house, and they sued their

5443
03:59:01,279 --> 03:59:03,920
own city of Lynen a few years ago for a

5444
03:59:03,920 --> 03:59:07,359
similar neighbor house situation.

5445
03:59:07,359 --> 03:59:09,199
They won the lawsuit and I would hate to

5446
03:59:09,199 --> 03:59:10,640
see that happen to the great city of

5447
03:59:10,640 --> 03:59:13,439
Oram um at any time in the future by

5448
03:59:13,439 --> 03:59:16,160
angry residents because I can guarantee

5449
03:59:16,160 --> 03:59:18,080
you'll be seeing many of these same

5450
03:59:18,080 --> 03:59:20,239
complaints I've listed happening again

5451
03:59:20,239 --> 03:59:23,040
if you allow whole home Airbnbs.

5452
03:59:23,040 --> 03:59:25,520
Uh please allow for long-term families

5453
03:59:25,520 --> 03:59:27,840
versus short-term profits. Thank you for

5454
03:59:27,840 --> 03:59:29,600
listening and appreciate your time and

5455
03:59:29,600 --> 03:59:31,359
service to the community.

5456
03:59:31,359 --> 03:59:35,590
>> Thank you.

5457
03:59:35,600 --> 03:59:44,710
Um Val Huarez.

5458
03:59:44,720 --> 03:59:47,040
» Um thank you, mayor, and uh city

5459
03:59:47,040 --> 03:59:49,279
council. Um I want to read just a couple

5460
03:59:49,279 --> 03:59:51,920
of things about the short-term rentals.

5461
03:59:51,920 --> 03:59:54,239
Um I'm speaking as a resident who cares

5462
03:59:54,239 --> 03:59:55,920
deeply about this city. I've been here

5463
03:59:55,920 --> 04:00:00,080
for more than 65 years, so uh I think

5464
04:00:00,080 --> 04:00:02,960
I'm a long-term resident. Um not long

5465
04:00:02,960 --> 04:00:05,359
ago, uh the city council adopted a

5466
04:00:05,359 --> 04:00:07,600
simple standard for major decisions is

5467
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:10,080
to make more and more Family City USA,

5468
04:00:10,080 --> 04:00:12,479
not less. That filter brought clarity

5469
04:00:12,479 --> 04:00:15,520
then and it can bring clarity now. The

5470
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:17,840
econ the um because let's be honest

5471
04:00:17,840 --> 04:00:19,680
about what's actually on the table. This

5472
04:00:19,680 --> 04:00:21,199
isn't just regulating short-term

5473
04:00:21,199 --> 04:00:23,279
rentals. It's whether we open the door

5474
04:00:23,279 --> 04:00:24,800
for our family neighborhoods to be

5475
04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:27,680
commercialized. The economics are aren't

5476
04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:30,319
ambig ambiguous. When short-term rentals

5477
04:00:30,319 --> 04:00:32,000
expand, especially through platforms

5478
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:34,720
like Airbnb, housing supply contracts

5479
04:00:34,720 --> 04:00:37,279
and prices rise, homes stop being homes.

5480
04:00:37,279 --> 04:00:39,840
They become income producing assets that

5481
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:42,000
attracts investors, drives valuations

5482
04:00:42,000 --> 04:00:43,920
higher, and pushes young families out of

5483
04:00:43,920 --> 04:00:47,040
the market. Um,

5484
04:00:47,040 --> 04:00:49,279
now connect that to a promise that was

5485
04:00:49,279 --> 04:00:52,080
made. Mayor McCandless told this comm

5486
04:00:52,080 --> 04:00:53,760
community that she would make housing

5487
04:00:53,760 --> 04:00:55,040
more affordable for our kids and

5488
04:00:55,040 --> 04:00:57,040
grandkids. Reducing supply and

5489
04:00:57,040 --> 04:01:01,120
increasing investor demand um does the

5490
04:01:01,120 --> 04:01:03,359
opposite. That's that is an opinion.

5491
04:01:03,359 --> 04:01:06,399
It's the housing market period. Um

5492
04:01:06,399 --> 04:01:08,239
there's also a second consequence, one

5493
04:01:08,239 --> 04:01:10,319
that cuts into the heart of who we are.

5494
04:01:10,319 --> 04:01:11,920
Fewer families in our neighborhoods

5495
04:01:11,920 --> 04:01:13,840
means fewer kids in our streets, fewer

5496
04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:15,359
kids in our schools, fewer young

5497
04:01:15,359 --> 04:01:17,760
families putting down roots here. That's

5498
04:01:17,760 --> 04:01:20,399
the opposite of Family City USA. That

5499
04:01:20,399 --> 04:01:22,239
that's a different city than the one we

5500
04:01:22,239 --> 04:01:25,520
built and the one we want to live in. Um

5501
04:01:25,520 --> 04:01:28,080
I speak speak plainly about something

5502
04:01:28,080 --> 04:01:30,479
else. Once a policy like this passes is

5503
04:01:30,479 --> 04:01:33,359
extremely difficult to walk back. People

5504
04:01:33,359 --> 04:01:35,359
invest based on your vote. Properties

5505
04:01:35,359 --> 04:01:37,680
get converted and the moment you try to

5506
04:01:37,680 --> 04:01:39,680
reverse course, you're told it would be

5507
04:01:39,680 --> 04:01:41,439
unfair to the people who relied on your

5508
04:01:41,439 --> 04:01:44,640
decision. So yes, technically

5509
04:01:44,640 --> 04:01:47,120
we can re we can revisit this later, but

5510
04:01:47,120 --> 04:01:49,359
in practice, you know, we set the

5511
04:01:49,359 --> 04:01:53,680
direction for ORM for years. Um there is

5512
04:01:53,680 --> 04:01:55,520
organized financial interests pushing

5513
04:01:55,520 --> 04:01:57,279
hard for this outcome. They have

5514
04:01:57,279 --> 04:01:59,520
lobbyists, lawyers, and platforms behind

5515
04:01:59,520 --> 04:02:01,920
them. The residents of ORM do not. Your

5516
04:02:01,920 --> 04:02:03,520
responsibility is not to those

5517
04:02:03,520 --> 04:02:05,279
interests, but to the families that live

5518
04:02:05,279 --> 04:02:07,040
here and raise their kids here and want

5519
04:02:07,040 --> 04:02:09,680
to stay here. ORM's not ORM is not a

5520
04:02:09,680 --> 04:02:11,600
resort town.

5521
04:02:11,600 --> 04:02:13,439
Um we do don't need to turn family

5522
04:02:13,439 --> 04:02:16,319
neighborhoods into vacation rentals um

5523
04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:18,239
and inventory. What we need to do is

5524
04:02:18,239 --> 04:02:19,760
protect the thing that makes the city

5525
04:02:19,760 --> 04:02:21,199
different from every other place on the

5526
04:02:21,199 --> 04:02:26,000
Wasatch FL was front. Um we all hope we

5527
04:02:26,000 --> 04:02:29,920
make a promise to keep us ORM family USA

5528
04:02:29,920 --> 04:02:33,199
city um that we keep that promise and

5529
04:02:33,199 --> 04:02:34,880
when the vote comes whether it's tonight

5530
04:02:34,880 --> 04:02:36,720
or in the weeks ahead that your decision

5531
04:02:36,720 --> 04:02:39,760
will make that a slogan or a commitment.

5532
04:02:39,760 --> 04:02:42,479
I have one more comment. Um, this is

5533
04:02:42,479 --> 04:02:45,120
from actually from personal from my

5534
04:02:45,120 --> 04:02:47,439
previous neighborhood I lived in, which

5535
04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:49,120
I still have a lot of friends there and

5536
04:02:49,120 --> 04:02:52,080
I can Len's been to her house. Crystal's

5537
04:02:52,080 --> 04:02:54,239
been to her house, Mayor Young had been

5538
04:02:54,239 --> 04:02:57,359
to her house. Um, almost the whole

5539
04:02:57,359 --> 04:02:59,120
council has been there and it's a

5540
04:02:59,120 --> 04:03:02,000
freaking disaster. This is a two, it's a

5541
04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:04,160
two roads in,

5542
04:03:04,160 --> 04:03:06,319
one way out.

5543
04:03:06,319 --> 04:03:10,080
um like a culde-sac but two blocks.

5544
04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:13,279
>> Okay, we have the BYU fan house in that

5545
04:03:13,279 --> 04:03:15,439
neighborhood. I can tell you right now

5546
04:03:15,439 --> 04:03:17,199
it's the biggest disaster this side of

5547
04:03:17,199 --> 04:03:18,880
Texas and that's a heck of a long ways

5548
04:03:18,880 --> 04:03:21,040
away. The neighborhood impact with

5549
04:03:21,040 --> 04:03:23,040
short-term rentals is very significant.

5550
04:03:23,040 --> 04:03:24,720
They take up all the parking on the

5551
04:03:24,720 --> 04:03:28,000
street. They block driveways. They block

5552
04:03:28,000 --> 04:03:29,840
garbage pickup. They put their own

5553
04:03:29,840 --> 04:03:32,319
garbage in other people's garbage and

5554
04:03:32,319 --> 04:03:34,880
make messes. They also impact the area

5555
04:03:34,880 --> 04:03:36,640
where children can't ride their bikes on

5556
04:03:36,640 --> 04:03:37,920
the street because there are too many

5557
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:40,160
cars. It's like a culde-sac for crying

5558
04:03:40,160 --> 04:03:41,680
out loud. There's not a lot of cars that

5559
04:03:41,680 --> 04:03:44,000
go through there. This is ridiculous.

5560
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:47,840
And they bring they bring in bus loads

5561
04:03:47,840 --> 04:03:50,560
of people to fill that house up. We're

5562
04:03:50,560 --> 04:03:54,160
talking 60 kids in a house.

5563
04:03:54,160 --> 04:04:00,239
Why? It's not a hotel. We're making community community

5564
04:04:00,239 --> 04:04:04,720
personal homes into hotel rentals. Um

5565
04:04:04,720 --> 04:04:06,399
short-term rentals should not be in

5566
04:04:06,399 --> 04:04:08,000
neighborhoods. They should be in areas

5567
04:04:08,000 --> 04:04:10,239
where there are other

5568
04:04:10,239 --> 04:04:13,040
um there are other

5569
04:04:13,040 --> 04:04:15,600
long-term whatever rentals that can

5570
04:04:15,600 --> 04:04:21,279
accommodate those things. Not not our areas. We have laws for long-term

5571
04:04:21,279 --> 04:04:23,920
rentals. Um no more than three unrelated

5572
04:04:23,920 --> 04:04:26,239
people in a home. That's what our Orm

5573
04:04:26,239 --> 04:04:29,279
City long-term rental is. You can't have

5574
04:04:29,279 --> 04:04:31,120
So, why do we get 60 people in a home

5575
04:04:31,120 --> 04:04:33,680
for short-term rentals? Why do they get

5576
04:04:33,680 --> 04:04:36,720
to have a family memorial service for

5577
04:04:36,720 --> 04:04:40,319
grandma with 50 60 people there? It's

5578
04:04:40,319 --> 04:04:42,239
not a It's not a funeral home, crying

5579
04:04:42,239 --> 04:04:44,640
out loud. And they spend a weekend

5580
04:04:44,640 --> 04:04:47,840
smoking pigs and doing all kinds of

5581
04:04:47,840 --> 04:04:51,439
stuff. So, next door. So, short-term

5582
04:04:51,439 --> 04:04:54,000
rentals need to have rules. We need to

5583
04:04:54,000 --> 04:04:56,479
not have them in our in our communities,

5584
04:04:56,479 --> 04:05:00,239
in our homes, in our neighborhoods.

5585
04:05:00,239 --> 04:05:01,040
Thank you.

5586
04:05:01,040 --> 04:05:03,040
>> Thank you.

5587
04:05:03,040 --> 04:05:06,239
All right. I just

5588
04:05:06,239 --> 04:05:09,680
Okay. Um just want to just clarify

5589
04:05:09,680 --> 04:05:11,359
something that we're not going to be

5590
04:05:11,359 --> 04:05:13,120
making a decision on short-term rentals

5591
04:05:13,120 --> 04:05:15,840
this evening. The work session next week

5592
04:05:15,840 --> 04:05:18,000
is discussion only. We're not going to

5593
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:21,760
be making a decision next Tuesday when

5594
04:05:21,760 --> 04:05:24,080
we continue our discussion from today,

5595
04:05:24,080 --> 04:05:27,040
but we will hopefully have some more

5596
04:05:27,040 --> 04:05:28,800
clarity and direction as to to the

5597
04:05:28,800 --> 04:05:33,040
timeline after after next Tuesday. So,

5598
04:05:33,040 --> 04:05:36,319
just just to clarify that. All right,

5599
04:05:36,319 --> 04:05:45,110
Marcelin Gibby.

5600
04:05:45,120 --> 04:05:48,640
» Hi. Um, my name is Marceline. I'm a

5601
04:05:48,640 --> 04:05:49,040
Sorry.

5602
04:05:49,040 --> 04:05:51,520
>> No, it's okay. Um, I'm a stay at home

5603
04:05:51,520 --> 04:05:52,880
mom and my husband is a doctor in the

5604
04:05:52,880 --> 04:05:54,640
area. We have two boys, age four and

5605
04:05:54,640 --> 04:05:57,120
six. Um, I'm against legalizing

5606
04:05:57,120 --> 04:05:58,640
short-term rentals in ORM neighborhoods

5607
04:05:58,640 --> 04:06:00,399
and would like to share my experience

5608
04:06:00,399 --> 04:06:02,080
with you as a resident of ORM living

5609
04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:04,479
next door to an STR.

5610
04:06:04,479 --> 04:06:05,920
We live in a great neighborhood and

5611
04:06:05,920 --> 04:06:07,120
chose the neighborhood because it was

5612
04:06:07,120 --> 04:06:09,439
familyfriendly. Um, two years ago, the

5613
04:06:09,439 --> 04:06:11,920
family living next to us moved to Oregon

5614
04:06:11,920 --> 04:06:13,840
and changed the roughly 5,000 square

5615
04:06:13,840 --> 04:06:16,560
foot home into an STR. At the time, I

5616
04:06:16,560 --> 04:06:18,000
tried to complain to the city of ORM,

5617
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:19,120
but when I called, they told me that

5618
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:21,040
STRs were allowed by Orm City, and I

5619
04:06:21,040 --> 04:06:23,520
felt there was nothing I could do. Um,

5620
04:06:23,520 --> 04:06:25,439
when we were we were then made to live

5621
04:06:25,439 --> 04:06:27,439
in what is essentially live by what is

5622
04:06:27,439 --> 04:06:29,920
essentially a commercial hotel. Since

5623
04:06:29,920 --> 04:06:31,840
the home has changed over to an STR,

5624
04:06:31,840 --> 04:06:33,760
we've had multiple concerns. The main

5625
04:06:33,760 --> 04:06:35,600
issue is that we feel less safe in our

5626
04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:37,760
home and in our yard. We have two young

5627
04:06:37,760 --> 04:06:39,199
children and we don't know who is going

5628
04:06:39,199 --> 04:06:41,199
or coming. This happens just feet from

5629
04:06:41,199 --> 04:06:43,040
our house. We've had people staying in

5630
04:06:43,040 --> 04:06:44,720
our rental talk to our children over the

5631
04:06:44,720 --> 04:06:46,399
fence telling them things that disturbed

5632
04:06:46,399 --> 04:06:49,279
and confused them. Um our kids see

5633
04:06:49,279 --> 04:06:50,640
people in the yard next to us and can't

5634
04:06:50,640 --> 04:06:52,080
understand that they're not safe people

5635
04:06:52,080 --> 04:06:55,279
and not our neighbors. Uh in addition to

5636
04:06:55,279 --> 04:06:57,040
safety concerns in relation to our into

5637
04:06:57,040 --> 04:06:58,880
our children, um we're also disturbed by

5638
04:06:58,880 --> 04:07:00,960
the following. The property uh erodess

5639
04:07:00,960 --> 04:07:02,960
our neighborhood and community. um

5640
04:07:02,960 --> 04:07:04,720
instead of the a neighbor living there,

5641
04:07:04,720 --> 04:07:07,359
we have unknown and sometimes unfriendly

5642
04:07:07,359 --> 04:07:10,239
occupants that come and go. Um the owner

5643
04:07:10,239 --> 04:07:12,000
of the owner of owner of the property

5644
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:13,199
does not live there and doesn't know

5645
04:07:13,199 --> 04:07:15,760
what is happening on their property. At

5646
04:07:15,760 --> 04:07:17,279
times people stay in there hold events

5647
04:07:17,279 --> 04:07:19,520
and fill the street with cars. Um while

5648
04:07:19,520 --> 04:07:21,120
I I appreciate regulations have been

5649
04:07:21,120 --> 04:07:22,560
proposed by the council that would help

5650
04:07:22,560 --> 04:07:24,319
with some of these concerns, none of

5651
04:07:24,319 --> 04:07:26,399
these regulations would address my

5652
04:07:26,399 --> 04:07:28,000
safety concerns in regard to my

5653
04:07:28,000 --> 04:07:30,319
children. If people are coming and going

5654
04:07:30,319 --> 04:07:32,640
next door and talking to my children,

5655
04:07:32,640 --> 04:07:34,800
um, this will not stop unless the STR is

5656
04:07:34,800 --> 04:07:37,120
shut down. At the very least, we must

5657
04:07:37,120 --> 04:07:38,479
make sure that the STRs are owner

5658
04:07:38,479 --> 04:07:41,439
occupied. Um, I have yet to hear a

5659
04:07:41,439 --> 04:07:42,720
really good reason for jeopardizing the

5660
04:07:42,720 --> 04:07:44,160
well-being and safety of families in

5661
04:07:44,160 --> 04:07:46,239
Orum just to help a handful of STR

5662
04:07:46,239 --> 04:07:48,479
owners. The owners of these large STRs

5663
04:07:48,479 --> 04:07:52,560
are lining their pockets, devaluating devaluing our neighborhoods,

5664
04:07:52,560 --> 04:07:54,000
and moving their own families to

5665
04:07:54,000 --> 04:07:55,439
locations where they aren't affected by

5666
04:07:55,439 --> 04:07:57,520
the changes in the neighborhood. I think

5667
04:07:57,520 --> 04:07:59,040
we can do better for the families of

5668
04:07:59,040 --> 04:08:00,640
warm. Thank you.

5669
04:08:00,640 --> 04:08:04,710
>> Thank you.

5670
04:08:04,720 --> 04:08:12,150
Scott Johnson,

5671
04:08:12,160 --> 04:08:14,000
mayor and city council, thank you for

5672
04:08:14,000 --> 04:08:17,680
this time. Uh, as a 40 plus year citizen

5673
04:08:17,680 --> 04:08:22,080
of ORM, I rise to fully oppose STRs in

5674
04:08:22,080 --> 04:08:24,960
the city of Oram largely to maintain a

5675
04:08:24,960 --> 04:08:28,000
safe and stable community for citizens.

5676
04:08:28,000 --> 04:08:31,680
Uh, it STRs make it very difficult for

5677
04:08:31,680 --> 04:08:34,800
law enforcement and local citizens to

5678
04:08:34,800 --> 04:08:37,359
detect suspicious activity because of

5679
04:08:37,359 --> 04:08:38,960
the transient nature. You don't know

5680
04:08:38,960 --> 04:08:40,319
who's there and whether they should be

5681
04:08:40,319 --> 04:08:43,040
there or not be there. Uh, I personally

5682
04:08:43,040 --> 04:08:45,920
have experienced or seen party houses,

5683
04:08:45,920 --> 04:08:48,000
aggressive driving, a school bus

5684
04:08:48,000 --> 04:08:50,239
dropping off untold numbers of people in

5685
04:08:50,239 --> 04:08:54,160
our in our neighborhood, and very noisy

5686
04:08:54,160 --> 04:08:57,760
late night parties from an illegal STR

5687
04:08:57,760 --> 04:08:59,920
in my community that's only three houses

5688
04:08:59,920 --> 04:09:02,720
away. And this is not uncommon according

5689
04:09:02,720 --> 04:09:04,399
to statistics that are easily

5690
04:09:04,399 --> 04:09:06,800
searchable. Um, when you look at it,

5691
04:09:06,800 --> 04:09:09,199
party houses, nuisance calls, and noise

5692
04:09:09,199 --> 04:09:12,239
complaints tend to cluster around STRs.

5693
04:09:12,239 --> 04:09:15,040
So, it's degrading the community safety

5694
04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:18,000
and also occupying our law enforcement's

5695
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:21,199
time to respond to these nuisance calls.

5696
04:09:21,199 --> 04:09:23,520
Enforcement is very difficult even in

5697
04:09:23,520 --> 04:09:26,399
owner occupied settings because of

5698
04:09:26,399 --> 04:09:29,199
limited resources to respond and the

5699
04:09:29,199 --> 04:09:32,479
burden of the neighbors to enforce by

5700
04:09:32,479 --> 04:09:35,439
complaint. These are complaint driven.

5701
04:09:35,439 --> 04:09:37,920
Um, despite being meticulous, like the

5702
04:09:37,920 --> 04:09:39,439
gentleman said, they do all these things

5703
04:09:39,439 --> 04:09:41,199
to make sure that they have the right

5704
04:09:41,199 --> 04:09:43,600
people in there. You cannot, investors

5705
04:09:43,600 --> 04:09:46,479
cannot guarantee renters are safe or

5706
04:09:46,479 --> 04:09:48,960
reasonable and friendly people because

5707
04:09:48,960 --> 04:09:51,520
there is far less care given by these

5708
04:09:51,520 --> 04:09:53,760
individuals occupying a space for a

5709
04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:56,479
short term compared to somebody who

5710
04:09:56,479 --> 04:10:00,720
lives in that area full-time. Um, in my

5711
04:10:00,720 --> 04:10:03,279
opinion, I really see this as normal

5712
04:10:03,279 --> 04:10:05,920
little guys, normal families against

5713
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:08,479
wealthy investors. And so, do we want to

5714
04:10:08,479 --> 04:10:11,199
cowttow to wealthy investors or do we

5715
04:10:11,199 --> 04:10:13,920
want to be family city USA and really

5716
04:10:13,920 --> 04:10:17,199
maintain our families here and invite

5717
04:10:17,199 --> 04:10:18,479
families who are going to make this

5718
04:10:18,479 --> 04:10:21,120
their permanent residence in here into

5719
04:10:21,120 --> 04:10:25,120
Orm City. Um, lastly,

5720
04:10:25,120 --> 04:10:26,960
enforcement becomes really difficult.

5721
04:10:26,960 --> 04:10:29,520
What kind of strict penalties will be

5722
04:10:29,520 --> 04:10:32,399
enforced for those who have an STR that

5723
04:10:32,399 --> 04:10:35,199
is problematic? I mean, we've we've

5724
04:10:35,199 --> 04:10:36,880
heard from several people how there's

5725
04:10:36,880 --> 04:10:38,720
been multiple multiple complaints, but

5726
04:10:38,720 --> 04:10:41,199
there's no consequences. It's very

5727
04:10:41,199 --> 04:10:42,880
difficult to get somebody out of there

5728
04:10:42,880 --> 04:10:44,880
and get the home occupied by somebody

5729
04:10:44,880 --> 04:10:46,640
else. So, thank you.

5730
04:10:46,640 --> 04:10:50,790
>> Thank you,

5731
04:10:50,800 --> 04:11:06,710
Debbie Lamb.

5732
04:11:06,720 --> 04:11:10,560
Good evening. I have um letters being

5733
04:11:10,560 --> 04:11:12,800
passed out to you from other members,

5734
04:11:12,800 --> 04:11:15,120
other residents in ORM. Some come from

5735
04:11:15,120 --> 04:11:18,000
grandparents, teachers, single mothers,

5736
04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:21,120
all opposing um short-term rentals. so

5737
04:11:21,120 --> 04:11:23,359
you can take time. And they were unable

5738
04:11:23,359 --> 04:11:24,720
to make it tonight, so I figured a

5739
04:11:24,720 --> 04:11:27,840
letter may be better than nothing. So,

5740
04:11:27,840 --> 04:11:30,399
um, as a dedicated resident of 44 years

5741
04:11:30,399 --> 04:11:32,319
and a voter in Orum, I'm here to express

5742
04:11:32,319 --> 04:11:34,399
my strong support for our current

5743
04:11:34,399 --> 04:11:36,960
prohibition of short-term rentals. While

5744
04:11:36,960 --> 04:11:39,199
the purpose to monetize neighborhoods is

5745
04:11:39,199 --> 04:11:41,359
high, the cost of our community safety

5746
04:11:41,359 --> 04:11:43,520
and long-term viability is far too

5747
04:11:43,520 --> 04:11:45,199
steep. Our neighbors are meant to be

5748
04:11:45,199 --> 04:11:46,720
homes. Our neighborhoods are meant to be

5749
04:11:46,720 --> 04:11:49,760
homes, not unlicensed hotels. Allowing

5750
04:11:49,760 --> 04:11:52,080
STRs fundamentally alters our city in

5751
04:11:52,080 --> 04:11:54,560
several critical ways. First, it erodess

5752
04:11:54,560 --> 04:11:56,640
the long-term home ownership. When homes

5753
04:11:56,640 --> 04:11:58,960
become STRs, we lose housing stock for

5754
04:11:58,960 --> 04:12:01,520
people who volunteer for PTAs, look out

5755
04:12:01,520 --> 04:12:03,279
for neighbors, or invest in ORM's

5756
04:12:03,279 --> 04:12:05,520
future. Replacing permanent residents

5757
04:12:05,520 --> 04:12:07,600
with a rotating door to transient turns

5758
04:12:07,600 --> 04:12:09,279
our streets into ghost towns during the

5759
04:12:09,279 --> 04:12:12,160
week and party hubs on weekends. Second,

5760
04:12:12,160 --> 04:12:15,680
it is about generational continuity. A

5761
04:12:15,680 --> 04:12:17,439
city thrives when children can afford to

5762
04:12:17,439 --> 04:12:19,520
buy homes near their parents. By

5763
04:12:19,520 --> 04:12:21,120
maintaining the prohibition, you are

5764
04:12:21,120 --> 04:12:24,399
protecting the ability for families to

5765
04:12:24,399 --> 04:12:26,800
remain deeply rooted, ensuring our

5766
04:12:26,800 --> 04:12:28,880
community remains a place where legacies

5767
04:12:28,880 --> 04:12:30,640
are built and residents are invested for

5768
04:12:30,640 --> 04:12:33,279
the next 50 years, not just for the

5769
04:12:33,279 --> 04:12:36,399
weekend. Third, we cannot ignore public

5770
04:12:36,399 --> 04:12:39,520
safety and quality of life. Data shows a

5771
04:12:39,520 --> 04:12:41,920
correlation between STRs and increased

5772
04:12:41,920 --> 04:12:44,080
noise, parking congestion, and strain on

5773
04:12:44,080 --> 04:12:46,560
police resources. Unlike permanent

5774
04:12:46,560 --> 04:12:48,319
neighbors who respect communal

5775
04:12:48,319 --> 04:12:50,160
boundaries, short-term guests lack the

5776
04:12:50,160 --> 04:12:53,520
initiative to follow local norms. Mayor

5777
04:12:53,520 --> 04:12:56,319
McCandless, you asked, "How can we make

5778
04:12:56,319 --> 04:12:57,760
neighborhoods stronger and bring in

5779
04:12:57,760 --> 04:12:59,279
people who are actually going to live

5780
04:12:59,279 --> 04:13:03,120
here? Keeping STRs out is the answer."

5781
04:13:03,120 --> 04:13:05,600
Quinn, you said every neighborhood

5782
04:13:05,600 --> 04:13:07,120
deserves a committee that provides

5783
04:13:07,120 --> 04:13:09,680
input. I'm on that committee. We asked

5784
04:13:09,680 --> 04:13:11,520
our neighbors how they felt, and we are

5785
04:13:11,520 --> 04:13:14,800
telling you we are against them. Jeff,

5786
04:13:14,800 --> 04:13:16,720
you spoke about pre preserving

5787
04:13:16,720 --> 04:13:18,960
tight-knit community and the small town

5788
04:13:18,960 --> 04:13:21,359
feel. You can't have a tight tight-knit

5789
04:13:21,359 --> 04:13:23,680
community with the house next door is a

5790
04:13:23,680 --> 04:13:26,319
revolving door of strangers. Chris, you

5791
04:13:26,319 --> 04:13:27,920
mentioned in a Zoom call with Tammy and

5792
04:13:27,920 --> 04:13:30,159
I that the financial situation of STR

5793
04:13:30,159 --> 04:13:31,760
owners is not the council's

5794
04:13:31,760 --> 04:13:33,760
responsibility. They can sell their

5795
04:13:33,760 --> 04:13:36,560
homes or rent them out.

5796
04:13:36,560 --> 04:13:39,600
Legally, Jen, you say that it is a hard

5797
04:13:39,600 --> 04:13:41,359
this is a hard decision. With all due

5798
04:13:41,359 --> 04:13:42,960
respect, it's not a hard decision at

5799
04:13:42,960 --> 04:13:45,120
all. There are over 90,000 residents in

5800
04:13:45,120 --> 04:13:47,680
ORM. Listen to those residents. We are

5801
04:13:47,680 --> 04:13:49,359
tired of the housing shortage and the

5802
04:13:49,359 --> 04:13:50,880
declining enrollment in our schools.

5803
04:13:50,880 --> 04:13:52,640
It's time the council listens to those

5804
04:13:52,640 --> 04:13:55,359
of us who voted for you. We don't want

5805
04:13:55,359 --> 04:13:57,840
short-term rentals. ORM is a community,

5806
04:13:57,840 --> 04:14:00,640
not a resort. Stand firm. Prioritize the

5807
04:14:00,640 --> 04:14:02,560
people who call the city home over the

5808
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:05,680
interests of investors. Thank you. Thank

5809
04:14:05,680 --> 04:14:07,760
you.

5810
04:14:07,760 --> 04:14:19,429
>> Right, Tony Merrell.

5811
04:14:19,439 --> 04:14:21,520
Thanks for your time. Again, I know this

5812
04:14:21,520 --> 04:14:23,840
is my third time, but I really

5813
04:14:23,840 --> 04:14:25,920
appreciate the time and effort the city

5814
04:14:25,920 --> 04:14:29,199
council has put into organizing the

5815
04:14:29,199 --> 04:14:31,279
options that I saw at your planning

5816
04:14:31,279 --> 04:14:33,520
meeting today. I think they're great

5817
04:14:33,520 --> 04:14:36,159
options and I I think they're very

5818
04:14:36,159 --> 04:14:40,560
workable. Um, I have a few concerns um

5819
04:14:40,560 --> 04:14:43,040
about the generalization

5820
04:14:43,040 --> 04:14:47,359
of STRs in the city of Oram. Um, that

5821
04:14:47,359 --> 04:14:52,880
they make all communities bad and that

5822
04:14:52,880 --> 04:14:55,120
u most of the citizens in Oram are

5823
04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:57,760
against them and nobody's pulled my

5824
04:14:57,760 --> 04:15:01,199
community, my neighborhood. So, I think

5825
04:15:01,199 --> 04:15:03,680
if you did, then you would have

5826
04:15:03,680 --> 04:15:06,479
different answers from my neighborhood.

5827
04:15:06,479 --> 04:15:08,560
And I'm wondering how many people have

5828
04:15:08,560 --> 04:15:11,199
actually been pulled to ask that

5829
04:15:11,199 --> 04:15:13,040
question. Would you or would you not

5830
04:15:13,040 --> 04:15:16,560
like an STR in Orum, if that's allowed?

5831
04:15:16,560 --> 04:15:19,199
Um, another generalization,

5832
04:15:19,199 --> 04:15:22,080
um, that I'm hearing over and over again

5833
04:15:22,080 --> 04:15:24,399
that this is a very profitable thing for

5834
04:15:24,399 --> 04:15:27,760
people to do. It is not.

5835
04:15:27,760 --> 04:15:30,640
In my case, we rent out my mother's home

5836
04:15:30,640 --> 04:15:33,760
so that it's still available for family

5837
04:15:33,760 --> 04:15:36,800
when they come to town. And my rent for

5838
04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:40,800
an SDR is very, very low. I have a

5839
04:15:40,800 --> 04:15:43,120
negative income at the end of the year

5840
04:15:43,120 --> 04:15:45,199
for taxes because we don't make a

5841
04:15:45,199 --> 04:15:47,600
profit, but we make enough to help with

5842
04:15:47,600 --> 04:15:50,640
the expenses of keeping that home in our

5843
04:15:50,640 --> 04:15:52,560
family so that when family does come to

5844
04:15:52,560 --> 04:15:54,479
town, they have a place to stay and they

5845
04:15:54,479 --> 04:15:57,199
don't have to go to a hotel. Um, another

5846
04:15:57,199 --> 04:15:58,720
thing

5847
04:15:58,720 --> 04:16:05,520
that I'm I'm wondering about is that if you had a family of eight and they

5848
04:16:05,520 --> 04:16:08,720
didn't have the option of an STR to come

5849
04:16:08,720 --> 04:16:11,040
to ORM and stay in for a week, what

5850
04:16:11,040 --> 04:16:13,520
would it cost them to stay in a hotel?

5851
04:16:13,520 --> 04:16:15,760
It would be prohibitive for a family of

5852
04:16:15,760 --> 04:16:19,359
eight to be in a hotel seven nights, eat

5853
04:16:19,359 --> 04:16:21,840
out every meal. Can you imagine how much

5854
04:16:21,840 --> 04:16:24,479
that would cost? I had a family come

5855
04:16:24,479 --> 04:16:27,439
last week for BYU graduation. Um, they

5856
04:16:27,439 --> 04:16:29,199
were there all week. They had a family

5857
04:16:29,199 --> 04:16:32,560
dinner Saturday night outside, had a

5858
04:16:32,560 --> 04:16:35,439
barbecue, and I didn't even hear him.

5859
04:16:35,439 --> 04:16:37,520
And I live right next door. And that's

5860
04:16:37,520 --> 04:16:41,040
another thing I was wondering about is

5861
04:16:41,040 --> 04:16:43,840
in your um proposal

5862
04:16:43,840 --> 04:16:47,359
um you mentioned having the SDRB owner

5863
04:16:47,359 --> 04:16:49,760
occupied and I'm just wondering what the

5864
04:16:49,760 --> 04:16:52,720
definition of owner occupied would be

5865
04:16:52,720 --> 04:16:55,600
because I live right next door. I have a

5866
04:16:55,600 --> 04:16:57,439
view overlooking

5867
04:16:57,439 --> 04:16:59,040
the entire property. I can see

5868
04:16:59,040 --> 04:17:01,120
everything that goes on there. So I know

5869
04:17:01,120 --> 04:17:03,359
and I can you know if there were a

5870
04:17:03,359 --> 04:17:05,359
problem which there has never been. And

5871
04:17:05,359 --> 04:17:07,840
I've never had a complaint from any of

5872
04:17:07,840 --> 04:17:11,279
my neighbors. Uh, and I've I have had

5873
04:17:11,279 --> 04:17:13,520
good families stay. So, I'm just saying

5874
04:17:13,520 --> 04:17:16,399
that there I understand there are some

5875
04:17:16,399 --> 04:17:18,479
that need to be shut down. I totally

5876
04:17:18,479 --> 04:17:21,040
agree. They shouldn't be allowed in a

5877
04:17:21,040 --> 04:17:23,359
family neighborhood. But those of us

5878
04:17:23,359 --> 04:17:25,439
that do it right, we should have the

5879
04:17:25,439 --> 04:17:28,319
right to do that and to provide

5880
04:17:28,319 --> 04:17:30,720
someplace for families to come to ORM to

5881
04:17:30,720 --> 04:17:33,199
visit their family that lives here.

5882
04:17:33,199 --> 04:17:34,080
Thanks for your time.

5883
04:17:34,080 --> 04:17:37,199
>> All right. Thank you.

5884
04:17:37,199 --> 04:17:39,760
All right,

5885
04:17:39,760 --> 04:17:41,920
Casey. And I know your last name starts

5886
04:17:41,920 --> 04:17:47,199
with a T, but I I if you True. Oh, okay.

5887
04:17:47,199 --> 04:17:48,800
I see it now. Thank you.

5888
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:50,399
>> It's a German spelling. We can blame my

5889
04:17:50,399 --> 04:17:51,680
husband's family.

5890
04:17:51,680 --> 04:17:52,479
>> Okay. [laughter]

5891
04:17:52,479 --> 04:17:54,479
>> My name is Casey TR. Thank you, uh,

5892
04:17:54,479 --> 04:17:56,399
council members, mayor, and neighbors

5893
04:17:56,399 --> 04:17:59,040
and friends. Um, I'm here to bring

5894
04:17:59,040 --> 04:18:01,439
another perspective to, uh, the

5895
04:18:01,439 --> 04:18:02,720
discussion. I appreciate everything

5896
04:18:02,720 --> 04:18:03,760
that's been shared. And I think there's

5897
04:18:03,760 --> 04:18:06,239
a lot of valid concerns on both sides.

5898
04:18:06,239 --> 04:18:08,159
Um I'm not here to create further

5899
04:18:08,159 --> 04:18:10,080
division of sides, but maybe create a

5900
04:18:10,080 --> 04:18:12,080
little bit of additional context on a

5901
04:18:12,080 --> 04:18:13,439
subcategory that I think has been

5902
04:18:13,439 --> 04:18:15,600
missing. Um my husband and I are both

5903
04:18:15,600 --> 04:18:18,159
ORM natives. He was born here, raised

5904
04:18:18,159 --> 04:18:19,920
here. I was born here. We've been living

5905
04:18:19,920 --> 04:18:23,120
now together here for uh about 8 years.

5906
04:18:23,120 --> 04:18:25,199
We've been married for 12. Uh we're

5907
04:18:25,199 --> 04:18:27,359
world champion ballroom dancers. And so

5908
04:18:27,359 --> 04:18:31,680
our career is quite niche and um our

5909
04:18:31,680 --> 04:18:33,600
goal was to become lifelong ORM

5910
04:18:33,600 --> 04:18:35,920
citizens. This is where we have a lot of

5911
04:18:35,920 --> 04:18:37,359
family. We have a lot of community and

5912
04:18:37,359 --> 04:18:40,319
we just love the family focus here and

5913
04:18:40,319 --> 04:18:42,479
everything that the community offers. In

5914
04:18:42,479 --> 04:18:43,760
order to be able to purchase a home

5915
04:18:43,760 --> 04:18:45,439
here, we needed to have something that

5916
04:18:45,439 --> 04:18:47,199
would allow us to supplement with rental

5917
04:18:47,199 --> 04:18:50,080
income. Uh when we were looking in the

5918
04:18:50,080 --> 04:18:51,439
market four years ago, that's what

5919
04:18:51,439 --> 04:18:53,199
everyone else wanted as well. And so

5920
04:18:53,199 --> 04:18:55,279
home costs obviously, as we know, are

5921
04:18:55,279 --> 04:18:57,600
substantially high for people of my age.

5922
04:18:57,600 --> 04:19:00,720
I'm 33, my husband's 34, and the

5923
04:19:00,720 --> 04:19:02,000
generational gap of being able to

5924
04:19:02,000 --> 04:19:03,439
purchase a home is just getting wider

5925
04:19:03,439 --> 04:19:05,840
and wider. For us, there was no

5926
04:19:05,840 --> 04:19:08,080
opportunity to have a legal long-term

5927
04:19:08,080 --> 04:19:10,000
rental home that we could afford.

5928
04:19:10,000 --> 04:19:12,000
However, we have a property that has a

5929
04:19:12,000 --> 04:19:13,840
basement suite, and we've been doing

5930
04:19:13,840 --> 04:19:15,760
Airbnb ourselves in our international

5931
04:19:15,760 --> 04:19:18,800
travels since 2014. that's allowed us to

5932
04:19:18,800 --> 04:19:20,880
compete world over, contributed to our

5933
04:19:20,880 --> 04:19:22,560
affordability to be able to get these

5934
04:19:22,560 --> 04:19:24,479
national titles, and to now be involved

5935
04:19:24,479 --> 04:19:26,399
in this community both with both

5936
04:19:26,399 --> 04:19:28,319
collegiate programs, a number of high

5937
04:19:28,319 --> 04:19:30,239
school programs and studios throughout

5938
04:19:30,239 --> 04:19:31,920
the area and indeed the entire Mountain

5939
04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:36,159
West. Um, this opportunity to have an

5940
04:19:36,159 --> 04:19:38,080
owner occupied short-term rental space

5941
04:19:38,080 --> 04:19:40,000
also allows us to host my family. I'm

5942
04:19:40,000 --> 04:19:42,239
the oldest of seven kids, and when we

5943
04:19:42,239 --> 04:19:43,760
get together, it's quite a group, as you

5944
04:19:43,760 --> 04:19:45,920
can imagine. We're all having more kids

5945
04:19:45,920 --> 04:19:48,479
now. And to be able to gather, we need a

5946
04:19:48,479 --> 04:19:50,319
place where we can at least sit us down

5947
04:19:50,319 --> 04:19:53,199
for dinner. Um, therefore, if I had

5948
04:19:53,199 --> 04:19:54,479
someone living permanently in my

5949
04:19:54,479 --> 04:19:56,319
basement, I would have less space to be

5950
04:19:56,319 --> 04:19:58,720
able to host my family. We do have an

5951
04:19:58,720 --> 04:20:01,120
Airbnb guest who stays two nights every

5952
04:20:01,120 --> 04:20:03,359
week. He lives up in Brigham City and

5953
04:20:03,359 --> 04:20:05,279
shared the following thought with me to

5954
04:20:05,279 --> 04:20:07,840
share with you. He says, "I live in

5955
04:20:07,840 --> 04:20:09,920
Logan but work in uh down in Utah

5956
04:20:09,920 --> 04:20:11,680
County. Instead of moving down, I stay

5957
04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:14,399
for in an Airbnb for two nights a week.

5958
04:20:14,399 --> 04:20:15,920
If I had to get an apartment or hotel,

5959
04:20:15,920 --> 04:20:17,600
I'd be paying much more and I can't

5960
04:20:17,600 --> 04:20:19,439
afford to relocate my family, much less

5961
04:20:19,439 --> 04:20:21,840
find another job. Um, it'd be a shame to

5962
04:20:21,840 --> 04:20:24,000
lose this option. So, I'm just asking

5963
04:20:24,000 --> 04:20:25,359
that we continue to explore the

5964
04:20:25,359 --> 04:20:27,120
opportunities of what owner occupied

5965
04:20:27,120 --> 04:20:31,600
means. Um, and we only host two guests

5966
04:20:31,600 --> 04:20:33,680
in our home since it is our home and we

5967
04:20:33,680 --> 04:20:36,159
have young children. I'm very scrupulous

5968
04:20:36,159 --> 04:20:38,800
about who we invite into that space. and

5969
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:40,640
my neighbors have all been not only

5970
04:20:40,640 --> 04:20:42,800
supportive but actually encouraging in

5971
04:20:42,800 --> 04:20:44,960
our endeavors. We have plenty of parking

5972
04:20:44,960 --> 04:20:46,880
and uh have had nothing but positive

5973
04:20:46,880 --> 04:20:48,800
experiences both as Airbnb renters

5974
04:20:48,800 --> 04:20:50,720
ourselves internationally and also here

5975
04:20:50,720 --> 04:20:52,560
locally. One other benefit about people

5976
04:20:52,560 --> 04:20:54,640
coming into our home is that they bring

5977
04:20:54,640 --> 04:20:57,359
business to the ORM community. So by

5978
04:20:57,359 --> 04:20:59,120
being able to come here and stay whether

5979
04:20:59,120 --> 04:21:02,000
to support BEu or U uh sporting events,

5980
04:21:02,000 --> 04:21:04,560
coming for family weddings, graduations,

5981
04:21:04,560 --> 04:21:06,399
etc. they'reu contributing to the

5982
04:21:06,399 --> 04:21:09,120
economy of our area and it'd be a shame

5983
04:21:09,120 --> 04:21:11,199
to have obviously [snorts] the many

5984
04:21:11,199 --> 04:21:13,840
negative effects coming in from outside

5985
04:21:13,840 --> 04:21:15,680
uh investors and properties that are

5986
04:21:15,680 --> 04:21:17,600
dangerous to the locals, but it also

5987
04:21:17,600 --> 04:21:19,840
likewise be a shame to have local

5988
04:21:19,840 --> 04:21:22,640
residents buying in good faith with

5989
04:21:22,640 --> 04:21:24,800
support of the city. When we called to

5990
04:21:24,800 --> 04:21:26,880
purchase this home, we checked if it was

5991
04:21:26,880 --> 04:21:29,120
possible and and we want to raise our

5992
04:21:29,120 --> 04:21:30,720
family here, but we won't be able to if

5993
04:21:30,720 --> 04:21:32,560
we don't have that opportunity to

5994
04:21:32,560 --> 04:21:35,040
supplement our income. So, thank you for

5995
04:21:35,040 --> 04:21:38,870
your time. Thank you.

5996
04:21:38,880 --> 04:21:46,710
» Right. Teresa Horn.

5997
04:21:46,720 --> 04:21:48,080
» Hello.

5998
04:21:48,080 --> 04:21:52,479
>> So, I have lived in my home since 1998.

5999
04:21:52,479 --> 04:21:55,199
I have rented it, you know, two little

6000
04:21:55,199 --> 04:21:57,680
families and everything. And then

6001
04:21:57,680 --> 04:21:59,520
probably about oh, 3 years ago, I

6002
04:21:59,520 --> 04:22:02,319
decided I'd go ahead and try the VBO.

6003
04:22:02,319 --> 04:22:05,359
Um, I have loved the VBO. Um, I can tell

6004
04:22:05,359 --> 04:22:07,359
you the families that I had, yes, you

6005
04:22:07,359 --> 04:22:09,040
interviewed the families, you're excited

6006
04:22:09,040 --> 04:22:12,159
for them to move in. Um, but you have

6007
04:22:12,159 --> 04:22:14,159
those arguments. I've had the police

6008
04:22:14,159 --> 04:22:16,560
called just having a full-time person

6009
04:22:16,560 --> 04:22:18,800
living there. Um, I haven't had any

6010
04:22:18,800 --> 04:22:22,479
problems at all with VBO. My home, it is

6011
04:22:22,479 --> 04:22:25,279
owner occupied. And, you know, that's

6012
04:22:25,279 --> 04:22:27,600
something that I love. I love chatting

6013
04:22:27,600 --> 04:22:29,600
with the people that are coming to our

6014
04:22:29,600 --> 04:22:32,080
city. again they are pay you know going

6015
04:22:32,080 --> 04:22:35,040
out dining giving that ORUM you know

6016
04:22:35,040 --> 04:22:38,239
that income too but I also pay the taxes

6017
04:22:38,239 --> 04:22:40,159
through VBO

6018
04:22:40,159 --> 04:22:43,359
um I feel you know it's both sides I

6019
04:22:43,359 --> 04:22:45,840
could always raise my rent and rent it

6020
04:22:45,840 --> 04:22:49,600
full-time but I feel with VBO I'm losing

6021
04:22:49,600 --> 04:22:52,399
a little less money but it's less wear

6022
04:22:52,399 --> 04:22:55,359
and tear on my house and so as you do

6023
04:22:55,359 --> 04:22:57,040
the work sessions and I listen to the

6024
04:22:57,040 --> 04:22:58,720
one that you were doing today I think

6025
04:22:58,720 --> 04:23:01,279
you have some pretty good opt options in

6026
04:23:01,279 --> 04:23:05,359
there. So, I agree with the party homes.

6027
04:23:05,359 --> 04:23:06,960
Um, most of my neighbors didn't even

6028
04:23:06,960 --> 04:23:09,920
know I had VBO. Um, there's homes in our

6029
04:23:09,920 --> 04:23:11,600
neighborhood, too, that I didn't know

6030
04:23:11,600 --> 04:23:14,000
they had VBO. Those are the ones that

6031
04:23:14,000 --> 04:23:16,720
are doing it right. Um, we are also

6032
04:23:16,720 --> 04:23:19,680
starred by VBO and I can say I have the,

6033
04:23:19,680 --> 04:23:22,080
you know, 10 stars. I've not had

6034
04:23:22,080 --> 04:23:24,319
complaints. And so, I feel that's

6035
04:23:24,319 --> 04:23:26,080
important for you guys to understand,

6036
04:23:26,080 --> 04:23:28,319
too. like I feel there should be a happy

6037
04:23:28,319 --> 04:23:30,479
medium where we could all come together

6038
04:23:30,479 --> 04:23:34,000
and and you know I liked the fines that

6039
04:23:34,000 --> 04:23:35,920
you guys were discussing in your work

6040
04:23:35,920 --> 04:23:38,080
meeting. I I think that's a good option

6041
04:23:38,080 --> 04:23:41,120
as well. So that's my two cents for you.

6042
04:23:41,120 --> 04:23:45,429
>> I appreciate it. Thank you.

6043
04:23:45,439 --> 04:23:57,910
» And our last person is Chris Hammond.

6044
04:23:57,920 --> 04:24:00,080
Thank you, mayor and city council. I

6045
04:24:00,080 --> 04:24:01,600
know you've heard from me before, so

6046
04:24:01,600 --> 04:24:04,000
I'll be as brief as possible.

6047
04:24:04,000 --> 04:24:08,080
Uh once again, I'm have a legacy Airbnb.

6048
04:24:08,080 --> 04:24:10,319
I have cameras, so anything that happens

6049
04:24:10,319 --> 04:24:11,760
on the property, I'm notified

6050
04:24:11,760 --> 04:24:15,359
immediately. Uh I wanted to bring a

6051
04:24:15,359 --> 04:24:18,159
couple of data points to you tonight.

6052
04:24:18,159 --> 04:24:20,000
Number one, occupancy rates for

6053
04:24:20,000 --> 04:24:22,880
short-term rentals is about 50%. So 50%

6054
04:24:22,880 --> 04:24:25,359
of the time a short-term rental has no

6055
04:24:25,359 --> 04:24:28,159
in there. So we are saving money on

6056
04:24:28,159 --> 04:24:30,800
utilities and water usage by using a

6057
04:24:30,800 --> 04:24:33,600
short-term rental. Second, I have an

6058
04:24:33,600 --> 04:24:35,600
associate, I know it's come up on

6059
04:24:35,600 --> 04:24:38,560
several things, who is over sober living

6060
04:24:38,560 --> 04:24:42,623
in Utah County, and um on a whim, I

6061
04:24:42,623 --> 04:24:44,159
[laughter] going to talk to you about

6062
04:24:44,159 --> 04:24:47,439
this. And I asked her if she felt like

6063
04:24:47,439 --> 04:24:49,600
there would ever be a reason for sober

6064
04:24:49,600 --> 04:24:51,920
living to sew it city based upon

6065
04:24:51,920 --> 04:24:54,560
occupancy. And she said no. Number one,

6066
04:24:54,560 --> 04:24:56,479
it's government money. And number two,

6067
04:24:56,479 --> 04:24:58,880
increasing the number in a sober living

6068
04:24:58,880 --> 04:25:02,640
home would be uh not recommended because

6069
04:25:02,640 --> 04:25:06,239
of the people that are there and the in

6070
04:25:06,239 --> 04:25:08,880
um uh fact that they need to be

6071
04:25:08,880 --> 04:25:11,439
supervised. Plus, sober living is either

6072
04:25:11,439 --> 04:25:15,840
a 60 to 90day stay. And when you ask AI

6073
04:25:15,840 --> 04:25:18,080
about the comparison, short-term rentals

6074
04:25:18,080 --> 04:25:20,640
and sober living, there's no comparison.

6075
04:25:20,640 --> 04:25:24,159
It's apples to oranges. Um,

6076
04:25:24,159 --> 04:25:26,159
another thing that has been brought up,

6077
04:25:26,159 --> 04:25:28,319
uh, the 527

6078
04:25:28,319 --> 04:25:31,359
number is overexaggerated because homes

6079
04:25:31,359 --> 04:25:34,080
are listed more than once on, uh,

6080
04:25:34,080 --> 04:25:37,279
Airbnb. So, it's much less than that.

6081
04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:40,080
Um, there was a Senate Bill 108 that was

6082
04:25:40,080 --> 04:25:43,199
just passed that says, um, that

6083
04:25:43,199 --> 04:25:46,239
short-term rentals are legal. And so, I

6084
04:25:46,239 --> 04:25:48,640
would suggest that as you do your

6085
04:25:48,640 --> 04:25:52,399
information, you look into that. Um, it

6086
04:25:52,399 --> 04:25:54,399
provide it protects short-term rental

6087
04:25:54,399 --> 04:25:58,800
platforms like Airbnb as um patchwork of

6088
04:25:58,800 --> 04:26:01,199
local regulations threatens the ability

6089
04:26:01,199 --> 04:26:02,159
to take them away.

6090
04:26:02,159 --> 04:26:03,199
>> I'm sorry, what was the bill number

6091
04:26:03,199 --> 04:26:03,520
again?

6092
04:26:03,520 --> 04:26:07,920
>> It's bill number 108. Now, part of the

6093
04:26:07,920 --> 04:26:09,760
reason why that was sent to me, my

6094
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:12,800
doctorate is in special needs. And one

6095
04:26:12,800 --> 04:26:14,080
of the things that was brought up in

6096
04:26:14,080 --> 04:26:16,880
that build as someone was reporting it

6097
04:26:16,880 --> 04:26:19,040
is that short-term rentals provide an

6098
04:26:19,040 --> 04:26:21,840
opportunity for people with disability

6099
04:26:21,840 --> 04:26:24,319
um members of their family to have a

6100
04:26:24,319 --> 04:26:27,680
place where they can have um things that

6101
04:26:27,680 --> 04:26:29,439
are protected. so their children are

6102
04:26:29,439 --> 04:26:32,880
protected and they can go forward in um

6103
04:26:32,880 --> 04:26:34,560
providing the meals and the things that

6104
04:26:34,560 --> 04:26:38,000
they need versus being in a hotel. Um

6105
04:26:38,000 --> 04:26:39,520
also

6106
04:26:39,520 --> 04:26:43,199
um as far as declining from the access

6107
04:26:43,199 --> 04:26:46,479
to homes, we have over 150 homes that

6108
04:26:46,479 --> 04:26:49,279
are sitting on the market. We have over

6109
04:26:49,279 --> 04:26:51,600
150 rentals that are sitting on the

6110
04:26:51,600 --> 04:26:53,439
market. So short-term rentals are not

6111
04:26:53,439 --> 04:26:55,600
detracting from the availability of

6112
04:26:55,600 --> 04:26:58,880
housing in ORM. Um,

6113
04:26:58,880 --> 04:27:01,439
>> and I thank you for your time and your

6114
04:27:01,439 --> 04:27:04,080
energy in doing this and providing

6115
04:27:04,080 --> 04:27:06,239
something that is we can all work

6116
04:27:06,239 --> 04:27:09,840
together and all live happily forever.

6117
04:27:09,840 --> 04:27:12,239
>> Thank you.

6118
04:27:12,239 --> 04:27:15,120
All right, that concludes our our public

6119
04:27:15,120 --> 04:27:17,439
our personal appearances. I've been

6120
04:27:17,439 --> 04:27:19,199
received a request to take a five minute

6121
04:27:19,199 --> 04:27:22,960
bio break. So we'll convene here in what

6122
04:27:22,960 --> 04:27:26,399
is it 54 after?

6123
04:27:26,399 --> 04:27:28,479
So, at 8:00,

6124
04:27:28,479 --> 04:38:20,789
we'll be back here at 8.

6125
04:38:20,799 --> 04:38:23,359
micro. Oh, there it is. Okay, the

6126
04:38:23,359 --> 04:38:25,600
microphone is now on. We're going to

6127
04:38:25,600 --> 04:38:28,080
continue with item number 10.1. It's a

6128
04:38:28,080 --> 04:38:30,400
public hearing for the ORM community

6129
04:38:30,400 --> 04:38:32,561
development block grant CDBG annual

6130
04:38:32,561 --> 04:38:35,920
action plan and proposed budget. Taylor,

6131
04:38:35,920 --> 04:38:38,320
welcome and appreciate your patience as

6132
04:38:38,320 --> 04:38:41,359
we went through this and thank you guys

6133
04:38:41,359 --> 04:38:43,359
for your

6134
04:38:43,359 --> 04:38:45,680
all right mayor just by way of or mayor

6135
04:38:45,680 --> 04:38:47,680
and council by way of introduction.

6136
04:38:47,680 --> 04:38:49,359
Taylor Drainy works for the Mountainland

6137
04:38:49,359 --> 04:38:52,000
Association of Governments for community

6138
04:38:52,000 --> 04:38:53,920
development block grant funding we are

6139
04:38:53,920 --> 04:38:55,840
able to partner with an entity to do

6140
04:38:55,840 --> 04:38:57,840
that and thus we do partner with MAG in

6141
04:38:57,840 --> 04:39:00,160
order to help manage that funding. It's

6142
04:39:00,160 --> 04:39:02,400
a great resource to have. And as she

6143
04:39:02,400 --> 04:39:05,119
does this presentation then for what the

6144
04:39:05,119 --> 04:39:06,879
upcoming fiscal year's budget will be

6145
04:39:06,879 --> 04:39:08,561
when it relates to community development

6146
04:39:08,561 --> 04:39:11,199
block grants. Uh we want I want to just

6147
04:39:11,199 --> 04:39:14,080
make it clear also that these grants

6148
04:39:14,080 --> 04:39:16,160
were presented then to the CDBG

6149
04:39:16,160 --> 04:39:18,719
commission and they reviewed them and

6150
04:39:18,719 --> 04:39:21,199
approved the amounts as well as along

6151
04:39:21,199 --> 04:39:22,400
with the contingency.

6152
04:39:22,400 --> 04:39:24,160
>> Are there any commission members here?

6153
04:39:24,160 --> 04:39:25,520
>> Uh there are not any commission members.

6154
04:39:25,520 --> 04:39:27,119
>> Okay. Could you express our appreciation

6155
04:39:27,119 --> 04:39:27,920
to them?

6156
04:39:27,920 --> 04:39:31,199
>> Absolutely. Oh, okay. And council member

6157
04:39:31,199 --> 04:39:33,439
Kilpac says you're amazing. He's easily

6158
04:39:33,439 --> 04:39:35,520
is on that.

6159
04:39:35,520 --> 04:39:37,680
>> Um, by way, so we'll have a presentation

6160
04:39:37,680 --> 04:39:39,440
on what the budget is and then open up

6161
04:39:39,440 --> 04:39:41,360
time for a public hearing, no vote at

6162
04:39:41,360 --> 04:39:43,520
this time to meet the 30-day posting

6163
04:39:43,520 --> 04:39:47,910
period.

6164
04:39:47,920 --> 04:39:50,080
» All right. So, there is the CDBG

6165
04:39:50,080 --> 04:39:52,400
Advisory Commission along with council

6166
04:39:52,400 --> 04:39:55,680
member Kilpac who's in charge of that.

6167
04:39:55,680 --> 04:39:57,840
So, this is just a short presentation to

6168
04:39:57,840 --> 04:39:59,440
talk about the funding that we have for

6169
04:39:59,440 --> 04:40:01,120
next year. Like Bradley said, that's out

6170
04:40:01,120 --> 04:40:03,120
for public comment right now. We have a

6171
04:40:03,120 --> 04:40:05,040
public hearing today. Um, but these are

6172
04:40:05,040 --> 04:40:06,798
the preliminary

6173
04:40:06,798 --> 04:40:08,798
numbers that we're looking at approving.

6174
04:40:08,798 --> 04:40:11,600
Um, so to break it down between rollover

6175
04:40:11,600 --> 04:40:13,120
funding from previous years that was

6176
04:40:13,120 --> 04:40:16,000
unused and current year, that's there at

6177
04:40:16,000 --> 04:40:18,480
the top. We have 77,000 of prior year

6178
04:40:18,480 --> 04:40:19,920
funds that are going to be in addition

6179
04:40:19,920 --> 04:40:23,440
to that 563,721.

6180
04:40:23,440 --> 04:40:25,360
and that is our actual allocation from

6181
04:40:25,360 --> 04:40:26,958
HUD this year. So those numbers are set

6182
04:40:26,958 --> 04:40:30,718
in stone. Then every year we have 15% of

6183
04:40:30,718 --> 04:40:32,480
the allocation that we set aside for

6184
04:40:32,480 --> 04:40:34,878
public service funding. So that's that

6185
04:40:34,878 --> 04:40:37,280
breakdown in the middle. And then

6186
04:40:37,280 --> 04:40:39,360
historically and this year as well, ORM

6187
04:40:39,360 --> 04:40:42,400
has always set aside a percentage of its

6188
04:40:42,400 --> 04:40:44,878
public service funding to go toward a

6189
04:40:44,878 --> 04:40:47,440
regional effort with Provo City. Um and

6190
04:40:47,440 --> 04:40:49,760
two of the members of the CDBG advisory

6191
04:40:49,760 --> 04:40:52,638
commission uh had a interview process

6192
04:40:52,638 --> 04:40:54,560
along with some members of a similar

6193
04:40:54,560 --> 04:40:56,718
commission from Provo and they voted on

6194
04:40:56,718 --> 04:40:58,480
those regional funds and those are just

6195
04:40:58,480 --> 04:41:00,480
for nonprofit organizations in the

6196
04:41:00,480 --> 04:41:02,878
community that serve more than just ORM

6197
04:41:02,878 --> 04:41:05,840
residents um in order to

6198
04:41:05,840 --> 04:41:07,520
uh reach reach everyone regionally so

6199
04:41:07,520 --> 04:41:08,480
they don't have to do multiple

6200
04:41:08,480 --> 04:41:09,920
applications. But for all of those

6201
04:41:09,920 --> 04:41:11,920
projects we only reimburse for ORM

6202
04:41:11,920 --> 04:41:15,920
residents served. So,

6203
04:41:15,920 --> 04:41:17,920
and here's just an overview of those

6204
04:41:17,920 --> 04:41:20,480
regional recommendations. So this year

6205
04:41:20,480 --> 04:41:22,798
the commission decided to fund the

6206
04:41:22,798 --> 04:41:25,680
refuge uh which provides emergency

6207
04:41:25,680 --> 04:41:27,280
shelter for victims of domestic

6208
04:41:27,280 --> 04:41:29,680
violence, Big Brothers Big Sisters which

6209
04:41:29,680 --> 04:41:31,680
provides youth mentoring services,

6210
04:41:31,680 --> 04:41:34,080
Tabitha's Way, the Food Pantry, uh

6211
04:41:34,080 --> 04:41:37,040
Family Haven which provides therapy for

6212
04:41:37,040 --> 04:41:39,120
abused and neglected children, and then

6213
04:41:39,120 --> 04:41:40,718
the Fuller Center for Housing, which

6214
04:41:40,718 --> 04:41:43,520
provides single family rehab. So those

6215
04:41:43,520 --> 04:41:45,120
yellow highlighted numbers are the

6216
04:41:45,120 --> 04:41:50,230
amount that ORM will be covering.

6217
04:41:50,240 --> 04:41:52,958
And then for the non-public service

6218
04:41:52,958 --> 04:41:54,878
funds, these are those the Fuller Center

6219
04:41:54,878 --> 04:41:57,280
counts as non-public service. Um, and

6220
04:41:57,280 --> 04:41:59,200
then we have administration costs for

6221
04:41:59,200 --> 04:42:02,400
MAG and for Orm City staff. Um, we have

6222
04:42:02,400 --> 04:42:04,480
tree removal, which is a new program

6223
04:42:04,480 --> 04:42:06,160
that we're going to try out this year.

6224
04:42:06,160 --> 04:42:07,440
Uh, it's using single family

6225
04:42:07,440 --> 04:42:10,000
rehabilitation funds to get rid of trees

6226
04:42:10,000 --> 04:42:12,320
that are a threat to health and safety.

6227
04:42:12,320 --> 04:42:15,280
And, uh, the arborist here, Josh Story,

6228
04:42:15,280 --> 04:42:17,520
is going to be handling that. We do code

6229
04:42:17,520 --> 04:42:19,280
enforcement every year that just

6230
04:42:19,280 --> 04:42:20,638
provides some funding for code

6231
04:42:20,638 --> 04:42:21,840
enforcement activities through the

6232
04:42:21,840 --> 04:42:23,920
police department. Critical home repair

6233
04:42:23,920 --> 04:42:25,360
is also a year-over-year thing that

6234
04:42:25,360 --> 04:42:26,878
we've done. MAG has been administering

6235
04:42:26,878 --> 04:42:31,200
that. Um and then a lot of 170,000 this

6236
04:42:31,200 --> 04:42:32,798
year to replace some flooring in the

6237
04:42:32,798 --> 04:42:34,160
senior center.

6238
04:42:34,160 --> 04:42:37,200
>> Can I ask you a question about um is the

6239
04:42:37,200 --> 04:42:40,400
tree removal monies

6240
04:42:40,400 --> 04:42:43,120
equipment? Is it personnel? What what is

6241
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:46,638
that? Um I believe it's just the cost to

6242
04:42:46,638 --> 04:42:48,320
cover the contractor who's going to

6243
04:42:48,320 --> 04:42:50,638
>> So we are hiring a subcontractor. Okay,

6244
04:42:50,638 --> 04:42:54,230
perfect. Thank you.

6245
04:42:54,240 --> 04:42:55,920
» Um these are those public service

6246
04:42:55,920 --> 04:42:57,360
numbers. The ones in gray are the

6247
04:42:57,360 --> 04:42:59,280
regional ones I already discussed. And

6248
04:42:59,280 --> 04:43:01,760
then those two in blue at the bottom are

6249
04:43:01,760 --> 04:43:03,200
year-over-year projects that we've

6250
04:43:03,200 --> 04:43:06,000
always done. Some for a victim advocates

6251
04:43:06,000 --> 04:43:08,718
salary. And then uh just a little bit of

6252
04:43:08,718 --> 04:43:10,480
funding there for homeless services,

6253
04:43:10,480 --> 04:43:12,160
which is just small resources for

6254
04:43:12,160 --> 04:43:13,600
homeless residents that's given out

6255
04:43:13,600 --> 04:43:17,350
through the police.

6256
04:43:17,360 --> 04:43:19,520
Um and that's pretty much it. Our next

6257
04:43:19,520 --> 04:43:23,680
steps, uh we'll be back on May 26 to get

6258
04:43:23,680 --> 04:43:26,240
a final vote on that budget and then the

6259
04:43:26,240 --> 04:43:28,958
program year starts on July 1. So

6260
04:43:28,958 --> 04:43:30,638
>> do you know what did Can you go to that

6261
04:43:30,638 --> 04:43:31,200
last slide?

6262
04:43:31,200 --> 04:43:31,520
>> Yeah.

6263
04:43:31,520 --> 04:43:34,000
>> The pre previous slide.

6264
04:43:34,000 --> 04:43:36,400
um victim services.

6265
04:43:36,400 --> 04:43:38,560
Tell um help me bring me up to speed,

6266
04:43:38,560 --> 04:43:41,120
would you please? Um I know what was our

6267
04:43:41,120 --> 04:43:43,440
last year's. Are we increasing that? Are

6268
04:43:43,440 --> 04:43:44,878
we maintaining that?

6269
04:43:44,878 --> 04:43:49,120
>> It's been 30,000 for several years.

6270
04:43:49,120 --> 04:43:50,958
>> Okay. Thank you.

6271
04:43:50,958 --> 04:43:52,480
>> Yes. Yeah, I know. We always want to

6272
04:43:52,480 --> 04:43:54,400
give more to that one. Uh the public

6273
04:43:54,400 --> 04:43:56,480
service amount is really really small,

6274
04:43:56,480 --> 04:43:58,798
so it's it's tough to

6275
04:43:58,798 --> 04:44:00,240
>> Yeah. I thought we were going to add an

6276
04:44:00,240 --> 04:44:03,840
additional um some additional resources

6277
04:44:03,840 --> 04:44:06,480
there, but um yeah, I'll just follow up

6278
04:44:06,480 --> 04:44:10,708
with you on that. Thank you.

6279
04:44:10,718 --> 04:44:12,958
» All right.

6280
04:44:12,958 --> 04:44:14,718
Oh, I'm sorry. Are you are you I don't

6281
04:44:14,718 --> 04:44:15,440
want to

6282
04:44:15,440 --> 04:44:16,480
>> Yeah, that's everything. Do you have

6283
04:44:16,480 --> 04:44:16,638
anything?

6284
04:44:16,638 --> 04:44:18,958
>> Oh, you got Okay. Thank you, council.

6285
04:44:18,958 --> 04:44:21,040
Any more questions?

6286
04:44:21,040 --> 04:44:23,120
All right. This is a public hearing.

6287
04:44:23,120 --> 04:44:24,560
We're not going to be voting on it this

6288
04:44:24,560 --> 04:44:26,240
evening. We're going to be voting. It

6289
04:44:26,240 --> 04:44:29,040
appears we will be voting on May 26. So,

6290
04:44:29,040 --> 04:44:31,440
this is a public hearing to start the

6291
04:44:31,440 --> 04:44:32,958
30-day

6292
04:44:32,958 --> 04:44:37,360
clock on on public whatever like the

6293
04:44:37,360 --> 04:44:39,360
comment. Isn't there like a public not

6294
04:44:39,360 --> 04:44:40,958
comment period or notice period or

6295
04:44:40,958 --> 04:44:42,798
something? I can't remember what it is.

6296
04:44:42,798 --> 04:44:44,638
>> That's correct. And it has begun. This

6297
04:44:44,638 --> 04:44:45,600
is just a time when we

6298
04:44:45,600 --> 04:44:47,040
>> Oh, okay. Because I was say we're kind

6299
04:44:47,040 --> 04:44:49,280
of short. Yeah. Okay. So, the public

6300
04:44:49,280 --> 04:44:50,718
hearing is open. And is there anyone who

6301
04:44:50,718 --> 04:44:53,760
would like to speak to the CDBG funding

6302
04:44:53,760 --> 04:44:58,390
recommendations?

6303
04:44:58,400 --> 04:45:00,320
All right, since there isn't anybody,

6304
04:45:00,320 --> 04:45:01,760
I'll go ahead and close the public

6305
04:45:01,760 --> 04:45:04,480
hearing. All right, so we'll go ahead

6306
04:45:04,480 --> 04:45:07,920
and look forward to seeing you again on

6307
04:45:07,920 --> 04:45:10,080
May 26. Thank you.

6308
04:45:10,080 --> 04:45:11,840
>> Perfect. Thank you.

6309
04:45:11,840 --> 04:45:14,718
>> Okay. Item 10.2 2 is a public hearing

6310
04:45:14,718 --> 04:45:16,798
resolution declaring certain parcels of

6311
04:45:16,798 --> 04:45:18,798
real property located in the vicinity of

6312
04:45:18,798 --> 04:45:22,000
1020 South 2300 West as surplus and

6313
04:45:22,000 --> 04:45:24,080
authorizing the execution of an

6314
04:45:24,080 --> 04:45:26,480
agreement with the state of Utah to

6315
04:45:26,480 --> 04:45:28,718
convey surplus parcels to the state in

6316
04:45:28,718 --> 04:45:30,480
exchange for a lease of a portion of the

6317
04:45:30,480 --> 04:45:32,958
properties to the city for a period of

6318
04:45:32,958 --> 04:45:35,520
99 years. And I think that's one of the

6319
04:45:35,520 --> 04:45:37,600
longest sentences I've read in a long

6320
04:45:37,600 --> 04:45:41,040
time. All right.

6321
04:45:41,040 --> 04:45:43,040
That's because an attorney wrote it.

6322
04:45:43,040 --> 04:45:49,030
>> Okay. [laughter]

6323
04:45:49,040 --> 04:45:50,560
» All right. Welcome.

6324
04:45:50,560 --> 04:45:52,560
>> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm joined

6325
04:45:52,560 --> 04:45:54,878
today by Sam Bger. He's the deputy

6326
04:45:54,878 --> 04:45:57,520
director of the Utah Lake Authority. We

6327
04:45:57,520 --> 04:45:59,840
also hope to have Luke Peterson here who

6328
04:45:59,840 --> 04:46:01,920
is the executive director, but he was

6329
04:46:01,920 --> 04:46:03,600
unfortunately wasn't able to join us due

6330
04:46:03,600 --> 04:46:05,760
to some uh some health issues he's

6331
04:46:05,760 --> 04:46:08,400
dealing with. So, um, today we're here

6332
04:46:08,400 --> 04:46:12,080
to present to you, um, kind of a history

6333
04:46:12,080 --> 04:46:13,680
lesson here in Oram, a little bit of

6334
04:46:13,680 --> 04:46:16,240
going back in time, and we're going to

6335
04:46:16,240 --> 04:46:17,520
talk about some properties down around

6336
04:46:17,520 --> 04:46:20,160
Utah Lake. And so, looking at this map

6337
04:46:20,160 --> 04:46:22,958
right here, we have four parcels that

6338
04:46:22,958 --> 04:46:25,280
are identified that three of them are

6339
04:46:25,280 --> 04:46:28,560
owned by Oram City. The large I'm going

6340
04:46:28,560 --> 04:46:30,480
to use my little mouse here. this large

6341
04:46:30,480 --> 04:46:33,200
parcel right here. There's a skinny

6342
04:46:33,200 --> 04:46:35,280
little parcel right here with a little

6343
04:46:35,280 --> 04:46:37,360
dog leg. And then there's a parcel that

6344
04:46:37,360 --> 04:46:39,680
runs through here and runs up into this

6345
04:46:39,680 --> 04:46:41,520
with a little narrow piece. That narrow

6346
04:46:41,520 --> 04:46:44,400
piece will remain um in ORM ownership.

6347
04:46:44,400 --> 04:46:47,360
So, and then this parcel is actually

6348
04:46:47,360 --> 04:46:48,718
owned by the state of Utah, but if you

6349
04:46:48,718 --> 04:46:50,400
do a title search, it shows that ORM has

6350
04:46:50,400 --> 04:46:52,000
an interest in it. There's an ORM deed

6351
04:46:52,000 --> 04:46:53,440
recorded on that parcel, even though

6352
04:46:53,440 --> 04:46:55,680
it's in the state's name. [snorts]

6353
04:46:55,680 --> 04:46:58,160
So, how did ORM end up owning these

6354
04:46:58,160 --> 04:47:00,718
properties? Well, back in 2003 when the

6355
04:47:00,718 --> 04:47:03,120
city was building the golf course, they

6356
04:47:03,120 --> 04:47:05,200
acquired these properties from uh

6357
04:47:05,200 --> 04:47:09,360
Charles Garner and

6358
04:47:09,360 --> 04:47:11,520
up before that point, these properties

6359
04:47:11,520 --> 04:47:13,520
were essentially quick claimed to

6360
04:47:13,520 --> 04:47:16,878
Charlie Garner by Charlie Garner. So, he

6361
04:47:16,878 --> 04:47:18,638
then operated these properties as if he

6362
04:47:18,638 --> 04:47:21,280
owned them. Um, research has come to

6363
04:47:21,280 --> 04:47:23,920
show that those properties were likely

6364
04:47:23,920 --> 04:47:26,480
not owned by him and therefore the city

6365
04:47:26,480 --> 04:47:28,480
does not own them as well.

6366
04:47:28,480 --> 04:47:31,920
There is a meander line from 1856 from

6367
04:47:31,920 --> 04:47:34,958
an 1856 survey that runs approximately

6368
04:47:34,958 --> 04:47:37,280
along the city boundary through here.

6369
04:47:37,280 --> 04:47:38,958
City boundary is shown in the pink, but

6370
04:47:38,958 --> 04:47:40,400
it it runs a little bit through here and

6371
04:47:40,400 --> 04:47:41,840
you'll see it on a different slide in a

6372
04:47:41,840 --> 04:47:44,718
moment. Um

6373
04:47:44,718 --> 04:47:46,240
what's going on is we're working on a

6374
04:47:46,240 --> 04:47:48,320
project called the Wakara Way Trail and

6375
04:47:48,320 --> 04:47:49,920
Sam will give you an update on that in a

6376
04:47:49,920 --> 04:47:53,920
minute um before we do some Q&A. And in

6377
04:47:53,920 --> 04:47:56,240
order for that project to happen, all of

6378
04:47:56,240 --> 04:47:58,080
these properties that are in question

6379
04:47:58,080 --> 04:47:59,600
down in this area need to be cleaned up

6380
04:47:59,600 --> 04:48:01,200
and title needs to be cleaned up. And

6381
04:48:01,200 --> 04:48:04,480
that title needs to be transferred to

6382
04:48:04,480 --> 04:48:06,958
the state of Utah. And then the federal

6383
04:48:06,958 --> 04:48:08,560
government, which actually owns the

6384
04:48:08,560 --> 04:48:11,120
underlying title, which is lakeward of

6385
04:48:11,120 --> 04:48:13,120
this meander line, will then transfer

6386
04:48:13,120 --> 04:48:14,718
ownership to the state. They have a

6387
04:48:14,718 --> 04:48:17,200
verbal agreement to do so. Once that

6388
04:48:17,200 --> 04:48:19,520
happens, then the state can move forward

6389
04:48:19,520 --> 04:48:22,320
with the Wakar Way project. And that's a

6390
04:48:22,320 --> 04:48:24,638
trail that will run north south along

6391
04:48:24,638 --> 04:48:27,280
the shoreline of the lake somewhere in

6392
04:48:27,280 --> 04:48:31,120
the high water area or high

6393
04:48:31,120 --> 04:48:33,840
what would you call high there's a

6394
04:48:33,840 --> 04:48:35,520
sandbar down there. It's a high kind of

6395
04:48:35,520 --> 04:48:37,360
a higher elevation where it wouldn't be

6396
04:48:37,360 --> 04:48:39,280
underwater ever and it would connect to

6397
04:48:39,280 --> 04:48:40,798
a trail and vineyard and a trail in

6398
04:48:40,798 --> 04:48:42,320
Provo.

6399
04:48:42,320 --> 04:48:44,958
So the feds have said we'd love to

6400
04:48:44,958 --> 04:48:46,080
transfer this but we're not going to do

6401
04:48:46,080 --> 04:48:47,520
it until it's all cleaned up because we

6402
04:48:47,520 --> 04:48:48,878
don't want to mess with it. So that's

6403
04:48:48,878 --> 04:48:50,320
why we're here today is to help clean

6404
04:48:50,320 --> 04:48:52,560
that up. We're here to ask you as a

6405
04:48:52,560 --> 04:48:54,560
council to surplus these properties that

6406
04:48:54,560 --> 04:48:57,200
ORM owns but we don't own and then to

6407
04:48:57,200 --> 04:48:59,440
execute an agreement with the state of

6408
04:48:59,440 --> 04:49:02,638
Utah. So the state of Utah in exchange

6409
04:49:02,638 --> 04:49:04,400
for us transferring ownership of these

6410
04:49:04,400 --> 04:49:05,680
properties is willing to give us a

6411
04:49:05,680 --> 04:49:08,638
99-year lease that allows us to continue

6412
04:49:08,638 --> 04:49:10,638
to maintain and run our golf course

6413
04:49:10,638 --> 04:49:12,240
where it's located. Some of it is

6414
04:49:12,240 --> 04:49:14,878
located on this property. It'll allow us

6415
04:49:14,878 --> 04:49:16,718
to install future trails, trail

6416
04:49:16,718 --> 04:49:20,160
connections, open space, um, utilities,

6417
04:49:20,160 --> 04:49:21,920
and it'll allow us to continue to

6418
04:49:21,920 --> 04:49:23,680
operate our storm water facilities and

6419
04:49:23,680 --> 04:49:25,360
sewer facilities that are located in

6420
04:49:25,360 --> 04:49:27,840
this area, which happens to be where our

6421
04:49:27,840 --> 04:49:30,240
outfall is for our sewer treatment plant

6422
04:49:30,240 --> 04:49:33,840
and our spring water sewer lift station.

6423
04:49:33,840 --> 04:49:37,200
So, this is a drawing or an exhibit

6424
04:49:37,200 --> 04:49:40,958
showing the 99-year lease of the

6425
04:49:40,958 --> 04:49:43,760
property that they would allow ORM to

6426
04:49:43,760 --> 04:49:46,798
use. And if we zoom in, you'll notice up

6427
04:49:46,798 --> 04:49:49,120
here on this north end, you can see golf

6428
04:49:49,120 --> 04:49:52,320
cart paths. You can see this is the

6429
04:49:52,320 --> 04:49:54,798
collect pond and right here is our lift

6430
04:49:54,798 --> 04:49:56,798
station. Right here is our sewer

6431
04:49:56,798 --> 04:50:00,560
outfall. And then down in here in that

6432
04:50:00,560 --> 04:50:03,040
area, we will eventually have a parking

6433
04:50:03,040 --> 04:50:06,000
lot for the trail project. So this

6434
04:50:06,000 --> 04:50:07,680
exhibit here will show you kind of a

6435
04:50:07,680 --> 04:50:10,000
comparison between the deeds that we are

6436
04:50:10,000 --> 04:50:12,718
transferring in yellow or orange and

6437
04:50:12,718 --> 04:50:16,080
then the 99year lease area in blue. Um,

6438
04:50:16,080 --> 04:50:18,320
of particular note, you'll notice these

6439
04:50:18,320 --> 04:50:22,400
three properties are in that blue area.

6440
04:50:22,400 --> 04:50:24,638
a chunk of this bigger property and then

6441
04:50:24,638 --> 04:50:27,520
these other blue areas almost equal the

6442
04:50:27,520 --> 04:50:30,080
rest of this in size. Oddly enough, this

6443
04:50:30,080 --> 04:50:32,638
deed went out into the lake and so a lot

6444
04:50:32,638 --> 04:50:34,320
of this is underwater. It's not even

6445
04:50:34,320 --> 04:50:36,958
land we could use. So the reality is the

6446
04:50:36,958 --> 04:50:40,000
land that's down there now is being used

6447
04:50:40,000 --> 04:50:42,480
in its current state for what purposes

6448
04:50:42,480 --> 04:50:44,160
the city's using it and going forward

6449
04:50:44,160 --> 04:50:46,878
nothing would really change um with a

6450
04:50:46,878 --> 04:50:48,958
99-year lease. So I'll turn the time

6451
04:50:48,958 --> 04:50:50,958
over to Sam. Sam will uh give you a

6452
04:50:50,958 --> 04:50:52,560
quick update and then we'll open it up

6453
04:50:52,560 --> 04:50:53,520
for questions.

6454
04:50:53,520 --> 04:50:56,798
>> Thanks Ryan. Um so some of you may be

6455
04:50:56,798 --> 04:50:58,320
aware, actually I should say at least

6456
04:50:58,320 --> 04:50:59,760
three of you have served on the Utah

6457
04:50:59,760 --> 04:51:00,958
Lake Commissioner Util Lake Authority

6458
04:51:00,958 --> 04:51:02,878
board and so probably well aware um that

6459
04:51:02,878 --> 04:51:04,160
there's a goal to have a trail go all

6460
04:51:04,160 --> 04:51:06,480
the way around Utah Lake eventually. Um

6461
04:51:06,480 --> 04:51:08,798
this has been on the county's uh general

6462
04:51:08,798 --> 04:51:10,878
plan, I believe it is, for 15 or 20

6463
04:51:10,878 --> 04:51:12,400
years now. Um we're actually working

6464
04:51:12,400 --> 04:51:14,000
with the county to try and update that

6465
04:51:14,000 --> 04:51:15,760
alignment to current where it's at.

6466
04:51:15,760 --> 04:51:17,440
There's also several planning projects

6467
04:51:17,440 --> 04:51:20,080
going on right now. Um, one will soon be

6468
04:51:20,080 --> 04:51:22,000
kicking off on Provo Bay, um, all the

6469
04:51:22,000 --> 04:51:24,480
way down to West Mountain. Um, we hope

6470
04:51:24,480 --> 04:51:27,200
to start another one, I believe, in 2027

6471
04:51:27,200 --> 04:51:29,280
for the remaining portions of the

6472
04:51:29,280 --> 04:51:31,280
southern and western side of the lake.

6473
04:51:31,280 --> 04:51:33,120
Um, there are currently over a little

6474
04:51:33,120 --> 04:51:35,440
over 25 miles of existing trail

6475
04:51:35,440 --> 04:51:37,040
completed as a part of the Utah Lake

6476
04:51:37,040 --> 04:51:39,040
Shoreline Trail. Um, you can actually

6477
04:51:39,040 --> 04:51:41,200
find out um, where which sections are

6478
04:51:41,200 --> 04:51:42,560
completed if you go to our website,

6479
04:51:42,560 --> 04:51:44,718
util.gov, and under recreation, there's

6480
04:51:44,718 --> 04:51:47,280
a trail plan page. Um most of those

6481
04:51:47,280 --> 04:51:49,360
sections are all between um or I should

6482
04:51:49,360 --> 04:51:50,798
say all of them are between Provo and

6483
04:51:50,798 --> 04:51:52,638
Saratoga Springs, but there are a few

6484
04:51:52,638 --> 04:51:54,480
gaps in between. Um currently there's a

6485
04:51:54,480 --> 04:51:57,280
gap between Lynen and Lehi. Um and

6486
04:51:57,280 --> 04:51:58,878
there's also this gap here from Vineyard

6487
04:51:58,878 --> 04:52:01,360
down to Provo. And then um once you get

6488
04:52:01,360 --> 04:52:04,000
to the intersection of Lake View Parkway

6489
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:06,000
and I-15 and Provo all the way around

6490
04:52:06,000 --> 04:52:07,760
the lake clockwise back to Saratoga,

6491
04:52:07,760 --> 04:52:08,958
there's no trail. So those will be

6492
04:52:08,958 --> 04:52:11,360
coming hopefully in future years. Um, in

6493
04:52:11,360 --> 04:52:13,200
regards to this section in particular,

6494
04:52:13,200 --> 04:52:15,200
um, there's been more concerted efforts

6495
04:52:15,200 --> 04:52:18,000
over the last, I would say, nine years,

6496
04:52:18,000 --> 04:52:19,840
if I recollect correctly. Um, I've been

6497
04:52:19,840 --> 04:52:22,000
at the lake for 10, so most of my time,

6498
04:52:22,000 --> 04:52:23,520
um, there's been discussion around this

6499
04:52:23,520 --> 04:52:25,440
section and trying to clear up things

6500
04:52:25,440 --> 04:52:27,760
and be able to bring a trail through. um

6501
04:52:27,760 --> 04:52:29,520
including um the Utah Division of

6502
04:52:29,520 --> 04:52:30,878
Forestry, Fire and State Lands, and the

6503
04:52:30,878 --> 04:52:32,798
Utah Lake Authority hired a mediator to

6504
04:52:32,798 --> 04:52:35,360
help in some of these discussions back

6505
04:52:35,360 --> 04:52:38,560
in uh 2024. And that mediation wrapped

6506
04:52:38,560 --> 04:52:42,400
up in 2025. Um, and as Ryan stated, uh,

6507
04:52:42,400 --> 04:52:44,080
this is the next step that's been

6508
04:52:44,080 --> 04:52:46,400
identified is that FFSL,

6509
04:52:46,400 --> 04:52:48,080
um, state, uh, division of forestry,

6510
04:52:48,080 --> 04:52:49,520
fire, and state lands is working to

6511
04:52:49,520 --> 04:52:52,798
secure, um, clarifying agreements in

6512
04:52:52,798 --> 04:52:54,878
order to facilitate that handoff from

6513
04:52:54,878 --> 04:52:57,520
the Bureau of Reclamation so that we can

6514
04:52:57,520 --> 04:52:59,200
conserve, protect this section of

6515
04:52:59,200 --> 04:53:00,958
shoreline, and hopefully bring a trail

6516
04:53:00,958 --> 04:53:03,600
through as well. Um, as Ryan

6517
04:53:03,600 --> 04:53:06,320
illustrated, um, the area he highlighted

6518
04:53:06,320 --> 04:53:07,440
on the map is right at the end of

6519
04:53:07,440 --> 04:53:09,680
University Parkway. It's a very logical

6520
04:53:09,680 --> 04:53:12,400
location for a trail head. Um he didn't

6521
04:53:12,400 --> 04:53:14,160
mention but we also plan to connect the

6522
04:53:14,160 --> 04:53:16,638
trail um up through into the Oram city

6523
04:53:16,638 --> 04:53:18,560
connection so there anybody within the

6524
04:53:18,560 --> 04:53:20,560
ORM city trail network can also get down

6525
04:53:20,560 --> 04:53:22,560
to Utah Lake similarly to how Lynden

6526
04:53:22,560 --> 04:53:24,240
completed their historic trail section

6527
04:53:24,240 --> 04:53:26,400
recently. Um we like to try and have the

6528
04:53:26,400 --> 04:53:28,320
lake shore trail connect into every city

6529
04:53:28,320 --> 04:53:30,400
network if possible so there's easy

6530
04:53:30,400 --> 04:53:33,680
access for um uh both recreational and

6531
04:53:33,680 --> 04:53:37,120
transportational use. um where it stands

6532
04:53:37,120 --> 04:53:39,120
right now um currently, as I mentioned,

6533
04:53:39,120 --> 04:53:41,680
is still in resolving some of these uh

6534
04:53:41,680 --> 04:53:43,440
land ownership

6535
04:53:43,440 --> 04:53:45,760
discrepancies. Um the county has already

6536
04:53:45,760 --> 04:53:48,560
secured through MAG, I think it's either

6537
04:53:48,560 --> 04:53:52,240
12 or 16 million a few years ago for

6538
04:53:52,240 --> 04:53:54,080
this section of trail to connect Provo

6539
04:53:54,080 --> 04:53:56,080
to Vineyard. So, there is already some

6540
04:53:56,080 --> 04:53:58,080
funding in place. Um Utah Division of

6541
04:53:58,080 --> 04:53:59,760
Forestry, Fire and State Lands also has

6542
04:53:59,760 --> 04:54:01,600
some remaining appropriation dollars

6543
04:54:01,600 --> 04:54:03,920
assigned to this. So, I think we're in a

6544
04:54:03,920 --> 04:54:05,280
good place with continuing to move

6545
04:54:05,280 --> 04:54:07,600
forward on resolving the land ownership

6546
04:54:07,600 --> 04:54:10,160
clarity um with funding already to be

6547
04:54:10,160 --> 04:54:12,798
ready and available to begin planning,

6548
04:54:12,798 --> 04:54:15,040
engineering, design, and construction of

6549
04:54:15,040 --> 04:54:20,230
uh this section of trail at the lake.

6550
04:54:20,240 --> 04:54:24,160
» And ma'am, do you mind uh mentioning on

6551
04:54:24,160 --> 04:54:26,160
the public record how the trail head

6552
04:54:26,160 --> 04:54:28,560
that'll be built here will be the best

6553
04:54:28,560 --> 04:54:31,520
trail head possibly? Should I also

6554
04:54:31,520 --> 04:54:32,958
mention on the record just how amazing

6555
04:54:32,958 --> 04:54:34,798
the ORM city staff has been on this

6556
04:54:34,798 --> 04:54:36,160
project too.

6557
04:54:36,160 --> 04:54:38,480
>> Um yeah, in in all sincerity though,

6558
04:54:38,480 --> 04:54:41,600
Bren, Ryan, uh Steve, and Chris, and I'm

6559
04:54:41,600 --> 04:54:42,480
sure there's probably somebody else

6560
04:54:42,480 --> 04:54:43,360
who's been in the meetings I'm

6561
04:54:43,360 --> 04:54:44,480
forgetting, have all been wonderful to

6562
04:54:44,480 --> 04:54:45,360
work with. They've been very

6563
04:54:45,360 --> 04:54:47,760
informative, very patient, willing to

6564
04:54:47,760 --> 04:54:50,000
discuss and find amicable solutions and

6565
04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:51,280
shared objectives, which is something

6566
04:54:51,280 --> 04:54:52,878
that's really important at Utah Lake.

6567
04:54:52,878 --> 04:54:54,718
Without partners like Orm City and the

6568
04:54:54,718 --> 04:54:56,400
other cities, we we can't manage the

6569
04:54:56,400 --> 04:54:58,160
lake appropriately. It requires that

6570
04:54:58,160 --> 04:55:00,400
collaborative effort. So, yes, it's

6571
04:55:00,400 --> 04:55:02,320
going to be my my personal favorite.

6572
04:55:02,320 --> 04:55:04,400
I'll say that trail head at the lake.

6573
04:55:04,400 --> 04:55:06,240
Um, it'll be a great spot, I believe,

6574
04:55:06,240 --> 04:55:07,840
for everybody accessing, especially off

6575
04:55:07,840 --> 04:55:09,680
of uh University Parkway with a lot of

6576
04:55:09,680 --> 04:55:10,798
college students in the area. I think

6577
04:55:10,798 --> 04:55:12,320
it's a great recreation option for them,

6578
04:55:12,320 --> 04:55:13,840
too.

6579
04:55:13,840 --> 04:55:16,000
Is that satisfied, Bren? Were you good?

6580
04:55:16,000 --> 04:55:16,798
>> Thank you.

6581
04:55:16,798 --> 04:55:19,990
>> You're welcome. [laughter]

6582
04:55:20,000 --> 04:55:21,520
» Any questions?

6583
04:55:21,520 --> 04:55:22,638
>> Council Gail.

6584
04:55:22,638 --> 04:55:24,240
>> Um, first of all, thank you for your

6585
04:55:24,240 --> 04:55:25,600
work on this. I I can't even imagine

6586
04:55:25,600 --> 04:55:26,878
what an undertaking it is to try and get

6587
04:55:26,878 --> 04:55:28,560
all these records sorted out. So, thank

6588
04:55:28,560 --> 04:55:30,240
you for that. Um, and the second, this

6589
04:55:30,240 --> 04:55:32,958
is kind of a silly question, but what happens after 99 years? Are we

6590
04:55:32,958 --> 04:55:34,878
like, you know, our stuff is there, we

6591
04:55:34,878 --> 04:55:36,320
need to use it. I assume they just let

6592
04:55:36,320 --> 04:55:38,480
us keep using it. We renew.

6593
04:55:38,480 --> 04:55:40,560
>> That that would be the goal that this

6594
04:55:40,560 --> 04:55:42,480
trail is so successful and the amenities

6595
04:55:42,480 --> 04:55:44,000
are so great that no one will ever want

6596
04:55:44,000 --> 04:55:45,760
to touch it. I mean, the thing we have

6597
04:55:45,760 --> 04:55:48,160
going for us is a lot of it is wetlands

6598
04:55:48,160 --> 04:55:51,040
already and it's open space and the hope

6599
04:55:51,040 --> 04:55:52,798
is the state will want to protect it in

6600
04:55:52,798 --> 04:55:54,878
perpetuity. If I remember correctly too,

6601
04:55:54,878 --> 04:55:58,080
FFSL can't extend a perpetual lease on

6602
04:55:58,080 --> 04:56:00,320
it. Otherwise, they would. 99 is the

6603
04:56:00,320 --> 04:56:01,600
longest term they can offer, but the

6604
04:56:01,600 --> 04:56:03,120
understanding is always it's usually

6605
04:56:03,120 --> 04:56:04,400
with government partners and it's

6606
04:56:04,400 --> 04:56:06,320
intended to be renewed.

6607
04:56:06,320 --> 04:56:07,920
>> I won't be mayor then, but I'll make

6608
04:56:07,920 --> 04:56:09,520
sure I come to the public personal

6609
04:56:09,520 --> 04:56:11,440
appearances and and stick up for it.

6610
04:56:11,440 --> 04:56:14,080
Okay.

6611
04:56:14,080 --> 04:56:17,680
>> Yes. Yeah. I'll be aunt.

6612
04:56:17,680 --> 04:56:19,440
>> Can I just say one?

6613
04:56:19,440 --> 04:56:21,520
>> Oh, go ahead, Quinn.

6614
04:56:21,520 --> 04:56:23,920
>> Okay. Uh, Mayor, I I just had a comment.

6615
04:56:23,920 --> 04:56:28,400
Um, you know, thi this is a really

6616
04:56:28,400 --> 04:56:30,878
interesting creative solution that this

6617
04:56:30,878 --> 04:56:34,160
seems like a win-win for the city uh and

6618
04:56:34,160 --> 04:56:37,200
for the state and for Utah Lake. And I

6619
04:56:37,200 --> 04:56:40,958
I'm just really grateful um that

6620
04:56:40,958 --> 04:56:42,878
uh we were able to be flexible and

6621
04:56:42,878 --> 04:56:45,360
creative on this. Uh I think it's it's a

6622
04:56:45,360 --> 04:56:47,200
wonderful solution uh for all of us.

6623
04:56:47,200 --> 04:56:51,350
Thank you.

6624
04:56:51,360 --> 04:56:53,920
I I just want to say um just one thing

6625
04:56:53,920 --> 04:56:57,200
kind maybe um would you talk about the

6626
04:56:57,200 --> 04:56:59,200
science center?

6627
04:56:59,200 --> 04:56:59,840
>> Sure.

6628
04:56:59,840 --> 04:57:02,000
>> Just kind of kind of bring this full

6629
04:57:02,000 --> 04:57:03,280
circle. Tell them what else we have

6630
04:57:03,280 --> 04:57:06,000
behind besides path here. Sure.

6631
04:57:06,000 --> 04:57:07,840
>> This is bigger and brighter and better

6632
04:57:07,840 --> 04:57:09,280
than anything.

6633
04:57:09,280 --> 04:57:11,040
>> I appreciate the softball there,

6634
04:57:11,040 --> 04:57:12,718
Councilman Mlette. Um she's served for

6635
04:57:12,718 --> 04:57:13,760
quite a while on the board, so I

6636
04:57:13,760 --> 04:57:16,400
appreciate that. Um Utah Lake has a lot

6637
04:57:16,400 --> 04:57:18,080
going for it. I hope you've seen some of

6638
04:57:18,080 --> 04:57:20,320
our our ads last year or they've started

6639
04:57:20,320 --> 04:57:23,680
up again recently. That's one example of

6640
04:57:23,680 --> 04:57:25,680
so many things that are going on at Utah

6641
04:57:25,680 --> 04:57:27,840
Lake, whether it's trail planning and

6642
04:57:27,840 --> 04:57:30,560
projects or vegetation restoration

6643
04:57:30,560 --> 04:57:33,600
efforts, carp removal, um community

6644
04:57:33,600 --> 04:57:35,680
outreach and education, uh special

6645
04:57:35,680 --> 04:57:38,080
events. Little tip, come to the Utah

6646
04:57:38,080 --> 04:57:40,080
Lake Festival May 30th. It's got the

6647
04:57:40,080 --> 04:57:41,680
Provo Farmers Market in partnership with

6648
04:57:41,680 --> 04:57:43,840
it. We've got paddle board jousting, all

6649
04:57:43,840 --> 04:57:46,080
kinds of fun stuff. Um the nature center

6650
04:57:46,080 --> 04:57:49,280
is a part of this as well. So um Utah

6651
04:57:49,280 --> 04:57:50,798
Lake has needed a nature center for

6652
04:57:50,798 --> 04:57:53,600
longer than I've worked at Utah Lake. Uh

6653
04:57:53,600 --> 04:57:55,760
the current plan is a discussion with

6654
04:57:55,760 --> 04:57:58,718
Lynen City and UVU to host that on some

6655
04:57:58,718 --> 04:58:00,240
land owned by Lynden City directly

6656
04:58:00,240 --> 04:58:03,680
behind the Lynen Marina. Um it's we've

6657
04:58:03,680 --> 04:58:06,080
received 4 million in federal funding

6658
04:58:06,080 --> 04:58:07,840
for this and we're working with partners

6659
04:58:07,840 --> 04:58:09,600
to try and secure the remaining amount

6660
04:58:09,600 --> 04:58:12,480
through the state um and through some

6661
04:58:12,480 --> 04:58:14,240
other funding sources. Uh but the goal

6662
04:58:14,240 --> 04:58:16,718
is to have an actual science research

6663
04:58:16,718 --> 04:58:18,400
and nature center at Utah Lake. So this

6664
04:58:18,400 --> 04:58:20,718
would be a both a university resource

6665
04:58:20,718 --> 04:58:22,240
for not just UVU but the other

6666
04:58:22,240 --> 04:58:24,080
universities to come and use lab space

6667
04:58:24,080 --> 04:58:25,840
and and classroom space and such for

6668
04:58:25,840 --> 04:58:27,840
their students to learn. It's a site for

6669
04:58:27,840 --> 04:58:29,520
us to be able to educate the community.

6670
04:58:29,520 --> 04:58:31,200
Currently we do field trips for fourth

6671
04:58:31,200 --> 04:58:32,798
graders twice a year for example at the

6672
04:58:32,798 --> 04:58:34,320
lake but this would provide an ongoing

6673
04:58:34,320 --> 04:58:36,240
home where we could expand that program

6674
04:58:36,240 --> 04:58:39,040
to other grades and uh year round. Um

6675
04:58:39,040 --> 04:58:40,798
it'll also provide community space. We

6676
04:58:40,798 --> 04:58:42,480
want to have uh probably not something

6677
04:58:42,480 --> 04:58:44,400
quite as beautiful and spacious as this

6678
04:58:44,400 --> 04:58:45,760
room here. I hope to have something

6679
04:58:45,760 --> 04:58:48,718
maybe half this size of a a

6680
04:58:48,718 --> 04:58:50,480
multi-purpose space that can be used for

6681
04:58:50,480 --> 04:58:51,920
events and public meetings and other

6682
04:58:51,920 --> 04:58:53,680
things about the lake. Um and there will

6683
04:58:53,680 --> 04:58:55,840
also be educational diaramas and such.

6684
04:58:55,840 --> 04:58:57,520
Um we wanted to think something similar

6685
04:58:57,520 --> 04:58:59,440
to what you see at Thanksgiving Point.

6686
04:58:59,440 --> 04:59:01,600
Um uh being able to educate the public

6687
04:59:01,600 --> 04:59:03,760
about the flora and fawn at Utah Lake

6688
04:59:03,760 --> 04:59:05,200
and the work that's being done to manage

6689
04:59:05,200 --> 04:59:06,798
it and protect it and preserve it for

6690
04:59:06,798 --> 04:59:09,040
the future.

6691
04:59:09,040 --> 04:59:11,120
And I guess to maybe tie these together,

6692
04:59:11,120 --> 04:59:12,560
once we connect this trail, someone

6693
04:59:12,560 --> 04:59:14,480
could walk from Orum along the trail up

6694
04:59:14,480 --> 04:59:15,840
to the nature center because the trail

6695
04:59:15,840 --> 04:59:18,560
goes right past it. Oh, nice. All right,

6696
04:59:18,560 --> 04:59:21,520
council. Any other questions?

6697
04:59:21,520 --> 04:59:23,760
All right, we're going to go ahead and

6698
04:59:23,760 --> 04:59:26,000
open the public hearing and I'm going to

6699
04:59:26,000 --> 04:59:28,000
be a little facicious in the public.

6700
04:59:28,000 --> 04:59:30,320
We're going to declare property [gasps]

6701
04:59:30,320 --> 04:59:32,878
as surplus and execute agreement to

6702
04:59:32,878 --> 04:59:35,280
convey property we do not own that we

6703
04:59:35,280 --> 04:59:37,520
thought we owned. Right.

6704
04:59:37,520 --> 04:59:39,840
Okay, that's I'm not that that's not the

6705
04:59:39,840 --> 04:59:41,280
official, huh? I'm going to open the

6706
04:59:41,280 --> 04:59:43,120
public hearing [gasps]

6707
04:59:43,120 --> 04:59:45,280
for anyone who would like to come speak

6708
04:59:45,280 --> 04:59:48,000
to the city declaring certain parcels of

6709
04:59:48,000 --> 04:59:50,560
real property to be surplus and to

6710
04:59:50,560 --> 04:59:52,480
authorize the execution of an agreement

6711
04:59:52,480 --> 04:59:55,280
to convey the parcels in exchange for a

6712
04:59:55,280 --> 04:59:57,280
lease for 99 years. Is there anyone who

6713
04:59:57,280 --> 05:00:01,910
would like to speak to that?

6714
05:00:01,920 --> 05:00:04,320
Okay, go ahead and close the public

6715
05:00:04,320 --> 05:00:07,040
hearing. Bring it back to the council.

6716
05:00:07,040 --> 05:00:09,600
it looks like

6717
05:00:09,600 --> 05:00:11,840
there are a couple of different options

6718
05:00:11,840 --> 05:00:14,560
in on the agenda. If if you would like

6719
05:00:14,560 --> 05:00:18,080
to move forward on this, there's a

6720
05:00:18,080 --> 05:00:20,400
motion. And if you would like to not

6721
05:00:20,400 --> 05:00:23,280
move forward on this, there's a motion

6722
05:00:23,280 --> 05:00:26,718
that you can refer to. I move that the

6723
05:00:26,718 --> 05:00:29,040
city council by resolution declare

6724
05:00:29,040 --> 05:00:31,200
certain parcels of real property located

6725
05:00:31,200 --> 05:00:34,400
in the vicinity of 1020 South 2300 west

6726
05:00:34,400 --> 05:00:36,638
as surplus and authorize the execution

6727
05:00:36,638 --> 05:00:38,560
of an agreement with the state of Utah

6728
05:00:38,560 --> 05:00:40,718
to convey such properties to the state

6729
05:00:40,718 --> 05:00:42,718
of Utah in exchange for a lease of a

6730
05:00:42,718 --> 05:00:44,320
portion of the properties to the city

6731
05:00:44,320 --> 05:00:46,400
for a period of 99 years.

6732
05:00:46,400 --> 05:00:47,760
>> Right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is

6733
05:00:47,760 --> 05:00:48,638
there a second?

6734
05:00:48,638 --> 05:00:49,360
>> Second.

6735
05:00:49,360 --> 05:00:52,240
>> Okay, we've got several seconds.

6736
05:00:52,240 --> 05:00:54,638
>> Council member Lansson. Okay. Any more

6737
05:00:54,638 --> 05:00:56,160
discussion?

6738
05:00:56,160 --> 05:00:57,840
Okay. Council member Mulestein, how do

6739
05:00:57,840 --> 05:00:58,878
you vote?

6740
05:00:58,878 --> 05:01:00,080
>> I,

6741
05:01:00,080 --> 05:01:00,718
>> Council

6742
05:01:00,718 --> 05:01:01,280
>> I.

6743
05:01:01,280 --> 05:01:04,080
Um, Council Member Mikum.

6744
05:01:04,080 --> 05:01:06,878
>> I

6745
05:01:06,878 --> 05:01:07,920
>> You I

6746
05:01:07,920 --> 05:01:10,160
>> I

6747
05:01:10,160 --> 05:01:12,718
>> All right. Motion passes. Thank you.

6748
05:01:12,718 --> 05:01:15,040
We've just I know I can still Never

6749
05:01:15,040 --> 05:01:17,200
mind. I'll be quiet.

6750
05:01:17,200 --> 05:01:18,320
>> That's the best thing that we could do

6751
05:01:18,320 --> 05:01:19,920
of what's considering the circumstances.

6752
05:01:19,920 --> 05:01:21,200
>> I think it's kind of cool. We can all

6753
05:01:21,200 --> 05:01:23,760
say we just made a 99-year law. How

6754
05:01:23,760 --> 05:01:24,160
about that?

6755
05:01:24,160 --> 05:01:26,000
>> Yes, that's right. And I've conveyed

6756
05:01:26,000 --> 05:01:29,680
property that I haven't owned.

6757
05:01:29,680 --> 05:01:32,560
Never done that before. [laughter]

6758
05:01:32,560 --> 05:01:34,400
No, but it's just a situation. It was

6759
05:01:34,400 --> 05:01:38,320
the best we could do. All right. Um,

6760
05:01:38,320 --> 05:01:40,638
item 10.3,

6761
05:01:40,638 --> 05:01:42,320
public hearing, ordinance, request to

6762
05:01:42,320 --> 05:01:45,040
amend portions of article 22-6-8

6763
05:01:45,040 --> 05:01:47,280
of the ORM city code relating to

6764
05:01:47,280 --> 05:01:49,520
allowable height of primary buildings in

6765
05:01:49,520 --> 05:01:52,638
single family residential zones.

6766
05:01:52,638 --> 05:01:56,080
Welcome Jared of great fortitude

6767
05:01:56,080 --> 05:01:59,360
to sit through this. Okay.

6768
05:01:59,360 --> 05:02:01,840
>> No, absolutely. It's my pleasure to sit

6769
05:02:01,840 --> 05:02:03,840
through it. So, the I saw one of those

6770
05:02:03,840 --> 05:02:05,840
Utah Lake spots at a at a movie last

6771
05:02:05,840 --> 05:02:07,280
summer and it was far and away the best

6772
05:02:07,280 --> 05:02:08,560
part of that movie. It's what we talked

6773
05:02:08,560 --> 05:02:09,600
about all night, but my family's

6774
05:02:09,600 --> 05:02:13,840
obnoxious, so don't go by me. Uh this is

6775
05:02:13,840 --> 05:02:16,480
um the the proposed changes for

6776
05:02:16,480 --> 05:02:18,560
residential allowable height. Um we we

6777
05:02:18,560 --> 05:02:19,600
talked about some of these in work

6778
05:02:19,600 --> 05:02:21,840
sessions and then we've we've made these

6779
05:02:21,840 --> 05:02:27,280
into one um potential change that might do some good. Um just a

6780
05:02:27,280 --> 05:02:28,638
couple of quick things. What does this

6781
05:02:28,638 --> 05:02:31,200
proposed amendment do? Uh three things

6782
05:02:31,200 --> 05:02:32,718
basically. It differentiates between

6783
05:02:32,718 --> 05:02:34,160
flat roofs and pitched roofs as we

6784
05:02:34,160 --> 05:02:36,080
talked about in order to to allow things

6785
05:02:36,080 --> 05:02:37,440
differently for those different types of

6786
05:02:37,440 --> 05:02:40,080
roofs and the effects that they have. uh

6787
05:02:40,080 --> 05:02:42,160
it lowers the base height that we allow

6788
05:02:42,160 --> 05:02:43,520
or creates a base height rather than

6789
05:02:43,520 --> 05:02:45,280
just a straight straight allowed height

6790
05:02:45,280 --> 05:02:46,958
and then allows additional height with

6791
05:02:46,958 --> 05:02:49,040
setback back up to what it used to be.

6792
05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:51,360
So for example, 35 is what we currently

6793
05:02:51,360 --> 05:02:52,878
allow. Spoiler alert for what we're

6794
05:02:52,878 --> 05:02:53,840
going to talk about in the next slide,

6795
05:02:53,840 --> 05:02:55,360
but 35 is what we allow. This would

6796
05:02:55,360 --> 05:02:56,958
reduce that to 30 and then let you get

6797
05:02:56,958 --> 05:02:58,878
to 35 as you increase setbacks to kind

6798
05:02:58,878 --> 05:03:00,878
of offset the effects of those taller

6799
05:03:00,878 --> 05:03:03,200
walls at property lines. And then it

6800
05:03:03,200 --> 05:03:04,718
also implements that graduated building

6801
05:03:04,718 --> 05:03:06,000
height envelope that we can talk about

6802
05:03:06,000 --> 05:03:07,760
again tonight and make sure we all are

6803
05:03:07,760 --> 05:03:09,760
on the same page with that. Uh, a couple

6804
05:03:09,760 --> 05:03:11,040
of things that it doesn't do. It doesn't

6805
05:03:11,040 --> 05:03:12,878
change the way that we measure height,

6806
05:03:12,878 --> 05:03:14,958
uh, by our code. Uh, it doesn't take

6807
05:03:14,958 --> 05:03:16,320
away any of the exceptions that already

6808
05:03:16,320 --> 05:03:17,760
exist for things like chimneys and

6809
05:03:17,760 --> 05:03:20,718
koopas, uh, uninhabitable domes and that

6810
05:03:20,718 --> 05:03:22,480
kind of thing. Uh, it also doesn't

6811
05:03:22,480 --> 05:03:24,080
remove this very sort of niche, um,

6812
05:03:24,080 --> 05:03:25,600
height allowance. It's only in the R12

6813
05:03:25,600 --> 05:03:27,440
and R20 zones where you meet really

6814
05:03:27,440 --> 05:03:29,200
great setbacks. It's a very, it's not

6815
05:03:29,200 --> 05:03:30,560
used, it's an outlier, and we didn't

6816
05:03:30,560 --> 05:03:34,798
eliminate that by this either. Um,

6817
05:03:34,798 --> 05:03:36,320
just to start out, let's talk about how

6818
05:03:36,320 --> 05:03:38,080
we measure height. Height is actually

6819
05:03:38,080 --> 05:03:39,840
the measurement of height in our zoning

6820
05:03:39,840 --> 05:03:41,440
code currently is controlled by two

6821
05:03:41,440 --> 05:03:42,958
definitions. Our definition for height

6822
05:03:42,958 --> 05:03:44,560
and our definition for grade. So height

6823
05:03:44,560 --> 05:03:46,638
is just the highest point of the

6824
05:03:46,638 --> 05:03:49,280
structure above grade. And grade is

6825
05:03:49,280 --> 05:03:51,200
determined as the average elevation of

6826
05:03:51,200 --> 05:03:52,480
the finished ground level at the center

6827
05:03:52,480 --> 05:03:53,920
of all the walls of the building. So you

6828
05:03:53,920 --> 05:03:56,160
have to do a little a little work to

6829
05:03:56,160 --> 05:03:58,638
determine that. But that basically in

6830
05:03:58,638 --> 05:04:00,400
short it accounts for grades at

6831
05:04:00,400 --> 05:04:01,680
property. So if the property's on a

6832
05:04:01,680 --> 05:04:04,878
slope etc. still we establish an average

6833
05:04:04,878 --> 05:04:06,240
grade for all of that and then we

6834
05:04:06,240 --> 05:04:08,080
measure up from there. Uh we wouldn't

6835
05:04:08,080 --> 05:04:09,760
propose changing that. What we are

6836
05:04:09,760 --> 05:04:12,638
proposing is that we we measure things

6837
05:04:12,638 --> 05:04:14,080
differently for different types of roof

6838
05:04:14,080 --> 05:04:15,200
structures. We talked about this in the

6839
05:04:15,200 --> 05:04:16,400
work sessions as well, but as a

6840
05:04:16,400 --> 05:04:18,638
reminder, um what we're proposing

6841
05:04:18,638 --> 05:04:20,958
currently is that uh pitched roof would

6842
05:04:20,958 --> 05:04:22,638
be anything that's a 312 pitch or

6843
05:04:22,638 --> 05:04:24,240
greater. And as a reminder, that's this

6844
05:04:24,240 --> 05:04:27,120
kind of look. uh anything less than 312

6845
05:04:27,120 --> 05:04:30,638
so all the way up to 2.912 is going to

6846
05:04:30,638 --> 05:04:33,040
be flat roof as far as the the uh code

6847
05:04:33,040 --> 05:04:34,560
is concerned if that's if that's

6848
05:04:34,560 --> 05:04:39,110
acceptable. Um

6849
05:04:39,120 --> 05:04:41,520
the the rub of that becomes this this

6850
05:04:41,520 --> 05:04:43,200
text amendment would apply the way we've

6851
05:04:43,200 --> 05:04:44,638
written it to all of our single family

6852
05:04:44,638 --> 05:04:47,040
residential zones. There's an R5, R six,

6853
05:04:47,040 --> 05:04:50,080
65, 67 or 75 and and uh I almost said

6854
05:04:50,080 --> 05:04:53,920
67, I'm sorry, and R8. That's tricky to

6855
05:04:53,920 --> 05:04:57,520
avoid. Um we we would apply this to all

6856
05:04:57,520 --> 05:04:58,718
of these. The difference in these zones

6857
05:04:58,718 --> 05:05:00,000
is not the height that's allowed. You

6858
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:02,638
get 35 feet in all of these, but uh

6859
05:05:02,638 --> 05:05:03,840
current in our current zoning, but the

6860
05:05:03,840 --> 05:05:07,200
setbacks are different. And really the the issues that we have maybe been

6861
05:05:07,200 --> 05:05:08,798
seeing and are trying to respond to are

6862
05:05:08,798 --> 05:05:12,718
not so much just height, but height in relativity to the surrounding area,

6863
05:05:12,718 --> 05:05:14,958
right? So um you have to look at those

6864
05:05:14,958 --> 05:05:16,240
things. So what we're proposing is that

6865
05:05:16,240 --> 05:05:18,718
pitched roofs at minimum setbacks would

6866
05:05:18,718 --> 05:05:21,040
get 30 ft of height and then as you go

6867
05:05:21,040 --> 05:05:23,200
one set back one foot of setback greater

6868
05:05:23,200 --> 05:05:24,638
you get an additional foot of height up

6869
05:05:24,638 --> 05:05:27,760
to that maximum of 35. So if you're set

6870
05:05:27,760 --> 05:05:30,480
back um we I have an example we can go

6871
05:05:30,480 --> 05:05:32,240
through in a minute but that's what

6872
05:05:32,240 --> 05:05:33,920
we're proposing for flat roofs. Again

6873
05:05:33,920 --> 05:05:36,400
that's anything less than 312 pitch. You

6874
05:05:36,400 --> 05:05:38,160
just get 20 ft at the minimum setback.

6875
05:05:38,160 --> 05:05:39,360
So, if you're just meeting the bare

6876
05:05:39,360 --> 05:05:40,878
minimum setbacks, you get 20 ft of

6877
05:05:40,878 --> 05:05:42,718
allowable to height and then one

6878
05:05:42,718 --> 05:05:44,320
additional foot of height for setback

6879
05:05:44,320 --> 05:05:47,520
foot up to 24 ft. And uh I we explained

6880
05:05:47,520 --> 05:05:48,560
to the planning commission when we

6881
05:05:48,560 --> 05:05:51,040
presented there why 24 ft. That was the

6882
05:05:51,040 --> 05:05:53,040
most common number I could find in all

6883
05:05:53,040 --> 05:05:54,638
the other codes that we looked at doing

6884
05:05:54,638 --> 05:05:56,798
this. Um there's no nothing magic about

6885
05:05:56,798 --> 05:05:58,080
it. It just works for builders more

6886
05:05:58,080 --> 05:05:59,760
often than than not.

6887
05:05:59,760 --> 05:06:01,920
>> Um in the R12 and R20 zones.

6888
05:06:01,920 --> 05:06:02,878
>> So, hold on just a sec.

6889
05:06:02,878 --> 05:06:03,680
>> Yeah, go ahead.

6890
05:06:03,680 --> 05:06:05,440
>> Okay. So, we're taking our 20 foot from

6891
05:06:05,440 --> 05:06:08,000
the rear boundary line. Yeah.

6892
05:06:08,000 --> 05:06:09,440
>> Okay. That's your setback. That's your

6893
05:06:09,440 --> 05:06:11,440
standard. And then you're saying you get

6894
05:06:11,440 --> 05:06:12,878
a one one.

6895
05:06:12,878 --> 05:06:14,638
>> You get one to one beyond that initial

6896
05:06:14,638 --> 05:06:15,840
20 up to 24.

6897
05:06:15,840 --> 05:06:16,798
>> Up to 20. Okay.

6898
05:06:16,798 --> 05:06:18,638
>> So if you're 40T for your rear yard,

6899
05:06:18,638 --> 05:06:20,080
doesn't matter. 24 is the

6900
05:06:20,080 --> 05:06:23,200
>> 23 ft. You get 23T height. 22 22. Okay.

6901
05:06:23,200 --> 05:06:24,638
>> Right up to the 24 and then no more

6902
05:06:24,638 --> 05:06:27,600
beyond that.

6903
05:06:27,600 --> 05:06:29,200
Maximum still applies. You just get one

6904
05:06:29,200 --> 05:06:30,798
additional to get to the maximum to

6905
05:06:30,798 --> 05:06:33,040
create a little extra buffer there. Um,

6906
05:06:33,040 --> 05:06:35,680
for the R12 and R20 pitch roofs, uh,

6907
05:06:35,680 --> 05:06:37,920
minimum setbacks 35 ft and then they

6908
05:06:37,920 --> 05:06:39,040
have that exception that's already

6909
05:06:39,040 --> 05:06:41,120
written in, so I just labeled that out

6910
05:06:41,120 --> 05:06:42,718
for you. 20% of the total roof area can

6911
05:06:42,718 --> 05:06:45,680
be up to 45 ft if you're at least 50 ft

6912
05:06:45,680 --> 05:06:47,280
from property lines. You still only get

6913
05:06:47,280 --> 05:06:49,520
the 20%. Uh, those don't come up very

6914
05:06:49,520 --> 05:06:51,200
often, but when they do, it hasn't ever

6915
05:06:51,200 --> 05:06:53,760
been a problem that we can find. Uh in

6916
05:06:53,760 --> 05:06:56,000
flat roofs we applied because we we're

6917
05:06:56,000 --> 05:06:57,360
defining roofs now. So we did have to

6918
05:06:57,360 --> 05:06:58,798
make one small change to that. We just

6919
05:06:58,798 --> 05:07:00,718
added this section for them. 24 ft in

6920
05:07:00,718 --> 05:07:02,080
height and minimums and then you get

6921
05:07:02,080 --> 05:07:04,638
that additional foot of setback uh up to

6922
05:07:04,638 --> 05:07:06,878
28 ft. And that exception still applies

6923
05:07:06,878 --> 05:07:09,360
to 20% but only up to 32 ft if you're 50

6924
05:07:09,360 --> 05:07:12,080
ft from property lines.

6925
05:07:12,080 --> 05:07:15,280
Does that make sense? Okay. Um couple of

6926
05:07:15,280 --> 05:07:16,480
things about the graduated building

6927
05:07:16,480 --> 05:07:19,040
height. So what this would do is I'm

6928
05:07:19,040 --> 05:07:20,718
just going to read a little part of it.

6929
05:07:20,718 --> 05:07:24,080
The height of all principal dwellings in single family residential zones is

6930
05:07:24,080 --> 05:07:26,000
subject to limitation by the graduated

6931
05:07:26,000 --> 05:07:27,600
height envelope created by starting at a

6932
05:07:27,600 --> 05:07:29,040
point on the property line 8 ft above

6933
05:07:29,040 --> 05:07:30,638
ground and then sloping a line at a

6934
05:07:30,638 --> 05:07:32,400
45°ree angle towards the center of the

6935
05:07:32,400 --> 05:07:34,320
lot. The entire building must fit under

6936
05:07:34,320 --> 05:07:35,840
that envelope without with the following

6937
05:07:35,840 --> 05:07:37,920
exceptions. So regardless of all those

6938
05:07:37,920 --> 05:07:40,000
other rules we just read through, if you

6939
05:07:40,000 --> 05:07:41,840
don't if the building you're proposing

6940
05:07:41,840 --> 05:07:43,280
does not fit under that envelope that's

6941
05:07:43,280 --> 05:07:45,280
created, it it doesn't matter if you're

6942
05:07:45,280 --> 05:07:47,120
less than 35 feet. It still has to fit.

6943
05:07:47,120 --> 05:07:49,200
And we we've got a an illustration we

6944
05:07:49,200 --> 05:07:53,840
can go through that'll show that. Um the exceptions are gables and dormers.

6945
05:07:53,840 --> 05:07:55,680
Uh dormers not allowed above the the

6946
05:07:55,680 --> 05:07:57,520
maximum height in any case and not above

6947
05:07:57,520 --> 05:07:58,958
the ridge line of the roof that they're

6948
05:07:58,958 --> 05:08:01,920
on. And then for gables not above

6949
05:08:01,920 --> 05:08:03,600
maximum height in any case and not more

6950
05:08:03,600 --> 05:08:05,920
than 1.75 times higher than the point of

6951
05:08:05,920 --> 05:08:07,200
intersection with the envelope. All this

6952
05:08:07,200 --> 05:08:08,878
sounds way more complicated than it

6953
05:08:08,878 --> 05:08:10,718
really is. So we'll we'll get to that in

6954
05:08:10,718 --> 05:08:12,560
a second. If it's math that planners can

6955
05:08:12,560 --> 05:08:14,480
do. This is all based on math that

6956
05:08:14,480 --> 05:08:16,958
planners are able to do. So, it is

6957
05:08:16,958 --> 05:08:18,240
pretty basic really when you get into

6958
05:08:18,240 --> 05:08:19,920
it. And the gable shouldn't be more than

6959
05:08:19,920 --> 05:08:23,600
25% of a facade's length. So, not too

6960
05:08:23,600 --> 05:08:25,440
flat of a gable, for example. Let me

6961
05:08:25,440 --> 05:08:26,878
just show you in this in this picture.

6962
05:08:26,878 --> 05:08:28,718
So,

6963
05:08:28,718 --> 05:08:30,400
yep, there's this is the part that

6964
05:08:30,400 --> 05:08:35,440
starts to make sense. So, um to um let's

6965
05:08:35,440 --> 05:08:37,440
start with the sideyard, for example. So

6966
05:08:37,440 --> 05:08:39,600
this is the 8 ft that we draw and say if

6967
05:08:39,600 --> 05:08:41,520
we want to make that envelope, we go to

6968
05:08:41,520 --> 05:08:43,280
the property line and we go up 8 ft and

6969
05:08:43,280 --> 05:08:46,400
that's where we start our 45° plane. And

6970
05:08:46,400 --> 05:08:48,878
so what that means is and you get to go

6971
05:08:48,878 --> 05:08:51,600
1.75 times higher if you're a gabled end

6972
05:08:51,600 --> 05:08:53,760
like this. So I'll make more sense in a

6973
05:08:53,760 --> 05:08:56,878
second. You can go 1.75 times the height

6974
05:08:56,878 --> 05:08:59,440
that's allowed

6975
05:08:59,440 --> 05:09:01,760
uh when you when you measure it um from

6976
05:09:01,760 --> 05:09:04,480
this 8 ft. So, for example, in an R8

6977
05:09:04,480 --> 05:09:05,920
zone, that's our most common single

6978
05:09:05,920 --> 05:09:08,320
family zone. R8 zones, the smallest

6979
05:09:08,320 --> 05:09:09,920
setback you can have from a side is 8

6980
05:09:09,920 --> 05:09:12,240
ft. So, let's take that as an example.

6981
05:09:12,240 --> 05:09:14,320
If this is an 8ft sideyard, we measure

6982
05:09:14,320 --> 05:09:17,040
up 8 ft and we start our 45°ree plane.

6983
05:09:17,040 --> 05:09:19,440
With 8 ft of distance to cover at 45°,

6984
05:09:19,440 --> 05:09:20,878
you're going to go up 8, you're going to

6985
05:09:20,878 --> 05:09:22,878
get 8 ft of rise. So, you're going to

6986
05:09:22,878 --> 05:09:26,958
intersect that wall at 16 ft in height.

6987
05:09:26,958 --> 05:09:28,878
and where you intersect that wall at 16

6988
05:09:28,878 --> 05:09:30,400
ft in height. Then you can if you're a

6989
05:09:30,400 --> 05:09:32,958
gabled end, you either have to fit

6990
05:09:32,958 --> 05:09:34,320
everything under. So maybe you're this

6991
05:09:34,320 --> 05:09:36,080
maybe this slope works and you're you're

6992
05:09:36,080 --> 05:09:37,920
changed around. Everything fits under

6993
05:09:37,920 --> 05:09:39,280
it. Or if you're going to project above

6994
05:09:39,280 --> 05:09:42,000
it, you can project 1.75 times that 18

6995
05:09:42,000 --> 05:09:44,480
ft. That 18 ft that's 20 I wrote it down

6996
05:09:44,480 --> 05:09:47,040
cuz I knew I wouldn't remember.

6997
05:09:47,040 --> 05:09:50,000
That's 28 ft in height. So this gable

6998
05:09:50,000 --> 05:09:52,160
could go up to 28 ft in height measured

6999
05:09:52,160 --> 05:09:53,600
from the ground. the way we measure

7000
05:09:53,600 --> 05:09:56,160
height. So, it doesn't get to that 35

7001
05:09:56,160 --> 05:09:58,560
ft, but it it also doesn't do one other

7002
05:09:58,560 --> 05:10:00,320
thing. You could measure that gable up

7003
05:10:00,320 --> 05:10:03,440
to 32 feet or sorry, 28 feet, but that

7004
05:10:03,440 --> 05:10:06,638
is and that is under the um 30t

7005
05:10:06,638 --> 05:10:07,920
allowance, the base allowance at the

7006
05:10:07,920 --> 05:10:09,920
minimum set back just barely. So, this

7007
05:10:09,920 --> 05:10:12,958
would be possible. And what that does is

7008
05:10:12,958 --> 05:10:16,000
keep you from having a situation where

7009
05:10:16,000 --> 05:10:18,400
this massive wall is way above you like

7010
05:10:18,400 --> 05:10:20,160
that. If we go back to this, you can

7011
05:10:20,160 --> 05:10:22,240
imagine that while this is still tall,

7012
05:10:22,240 --> 05:10:24,400
it's not the same effect as if this

7013
05:10:24,400 --> 05:10:26,000
whole square were filled up with that

7014
05:10:26,000 --> 05:10:28,638
projection. So you either fit under that

7015
05:10:28,638 --> 05:10:30,480
envelope and are less obtrusive or you

7016
05:10:30,480 --> 05:10:32,160
protrude but only the way that we allow

7017
05:10:32,160 --> 05:10:33,920
that 1.75. So it pulls it down a little

7018
05:10:33,920 --> 05:10:36,240
bit and forces the architecture from the

7019
05:10:36,240 --> 05:10:38,080
front end. You can if you do the math in

7020
05:10:38,080 --> 05:10:39,520
your head again and say say we have a 25

7021
05:10:39,520 --> 05:10:41,680
ft front yard setback that's required

7022
05:10:41,680 --> 05:10:43,200
that plane you're going to be all under

7023
05:10:43,200 --> 05:10:44,480
that because of that distance that's

7024
05:10:44,480 --> 05:10:45,920
required. You're just not going to be

7025
05:10:45,920 --> 05:10:47,840
above it.

7026
05:10:47,840 --> 05:10:51,920
Okay. Does that make sense? So the the envelope is not as complicated as it

7027
05:10:51,920 --> 05:10:54,480
seems. Um

7028
05:10:54,480 --> 05:10:56,638
>> so instead of having the the building

7029
05:10:56,638 --> 05:11:03,360
envelope be like a rectangle, it's this shaded area rather than rather

7030
05:11:03,360 --> 05:11:05,920
than having it all go up and be

7031
05:11:05,920 --> 05:11:06,320
>> right

7032
05:11:06,320 --> 05:11:08,480
>> straight. So it you just fit underneath

7033
05:11:08,480 --> 05:11:10,480
that. So if you're really close to a

7034
05:11:10,480 --> 05:11:12,400
another home, for example, let's just

7035
05:11:12,400 --> 05:11:13,840
use this one. if you're really close to

7036
05:11:13,840 --> 05:11:15,520
another home. In this case, I don't have

7037
05:11:15,520 --> 05:11:16,958
a way to do the math, but you can kind

7038
05:11:16,958 --> 05:11:19,040
of imagine if we come 8 ft up here and

7039
05:11:19,040 --> 05:11:20,638
this is probably right on its 8ft

7040
05:11:20,638 --> 05:11:22,638
required sideyard. Um, it would

7041
05:11:22,638 --> 05:11:24,160
intersect and get to go up if it were a

7042
05:11:24,160 --> 05:11:27,760
gable then to maybe this area, but right

7043
05:11:27,760 --> 05:11:29,920
this wouldn't be possible that massing

7044
05:11:29,920 --> 05:11:31,840
like that. And that's kind of the point

7045
05:11:31,840 --> 05:11:34,000
of of what we've proposed here is really

7046
05:11:34,000 --> 05:11:37,520
to deal with the fact that ORM has a lot

7047
05:11:37,520 --> 05:11:39,920
of um single lots that are going to be

7048
05:11:39,920 --> 05:11:41,600
developed and four or five lot

7049
05:11:41,600 --> 05:11:44,000
subdivisions and there's no way to deal

7050
05:11:44,000 --> 05:11:45,680
with those adjacencies except to to

7051
05:11:45,680 --> 05:11:50,080
introduce more complicated code. Um we feel like this would help. We have a

7052
05:11:50,080 --> 05:11:52,718
couple of examples of um newer homes

7053
05:11:52,718 --> 05:11:53,840
that have come through where we would

7054
05:11:53,840 --> 05:11:55,280
have done a better job if we had this

7055
05:11:55,280 --> 05:11:57,120
kind of code. We feel like it would be

7056
05:11:57,120 --> 05:12:02,320
uh usable. So, um, with that,

7057
05:12:02,320 --> 05:12:04,560
uh, this is just a horrible example of

7058
05:12:04,560 --> 05:12:06,560
what can happen. This is an addition to

7059
05:12:06,560 --> 05:12:10,878
a home. So, this is to point out that we would propose this for not just new

7060
05:12:10,878 --> 05:12:12,160
construction, but for any new

7061
05:12:12,160 --> 05:12:13,600
construction. So, additions to existing

7062
05:12:13,600 --> 05:12:15,920
homes, uh, especially where older homes

7063
05:12:15,920 --> 05:12:17,520
are selling and they're going to want

7064
05:12:17,520 --> 05:12:18,240
people are going to want to make

7065
05:12:18,240 --> 05:12:19,840
additions to them. Let's make sure those

7066
05:12:19,840 --> 05:12:22,080
aren't too obtrusive to the adjacent

7067
05:12:22,080 --> 05:12:24,718
homeowners.

7068
05:12:24,718 --> 05:12:26,958
Um,

7069
05:12:26,958 --> 05:12:28,718
let's see. That's that's all I have

7070
05:12:28,718 --> 05:12:29,760
really unless you have some questions

7071
05:12:29,760 --> 05:12:31,920
for me. The full text was attached to

7072
05:12:31,920 --> 05:12:34,160
your reports. Um it it takes it out of

7073
05:12:34,160 --> 05:12:35,360
this table form that it's in because

7074
05:12:35,360 --> 05:12:36,958
it's too complicated to

7075
05:12:36,958 --> 05:12:38,480
>> Right. Council, thank you. Do you have

7076
05:12:38,480 --> 05:12:41,830
any questions?

7077
05:12:41,840 --> 05:12:43,920
» So

7078
05:12:43,920 --> 05:12:46,160
yeah. So this

7079
05:12:46,160 --> 05:12:47,920
does not take into account the grade

7080
05:12:47,920 --> 05:12:49,760
issue that was spoken about earlier

7081
05:12:49,760 --> 05:12:50,240
today.

7082
05:12:50,240 --> 05:12:50,718
>> That's right.

7083
05:12:50,718 --> 05:12:52,638
>> And do you recommend then that is a

7084
05:12:52,638 --> 05:12:54,878
separate ordinance? that would I I do I

7085
05:12:54,878 --> 05:12:56,718
would recommend a separate we we need to

7086
05:12:56,718 --> 05:12:58,240
approach that one carefully and make

7087
05:12:58,240 --> 05:13:02,480
sure that we don't um cause unended

7088
05:13:02,480 --> 05:13:03,840
problems with that. I think we're less

7089
05:13:03,840 --> 05:13:05,280
likely to do that. This is probably not

7090
05:13:05,280 --> 05:13:06,958
a perfect ordinance but

7091
05:13:06,958 --> 05:13:08,878
>> and it can't with what we've got the

7092
05:13:08,878 --> 05:13:10,160
information we have so far. We can't

7093
05:13:10,160 --> 05:13:11,920
really address the grade differences

7094
05:13:11,920 --> 05:13:14,480
other than to to keep measuring from

7095
05:13:14,480 --> 05:13:16,400
grade and and these will help in some

7096
05:13:16,400 --> 05:13:18,958
regards uh but not as much as a

7097
05:13:18,958 --> 05:13:20,718
>> a grade differential ordinance. And it

7098
05:13:20,718 --> 05:13:22,240
probably belongs that probably belongs

7099
05:13:22,240 --> 05:13:23,680
in the subdivision ordinance instead of

7100
05:13:23,680 --> 05:13:25,040
in the zoning ordinance where this

7101
05:13:25,040 --> 05:13:26,320
height is contained.

7102
05:13:26,320 --> 05:13:29,830
>> Okay. Thank you.

7103
05:13:29,840 --> 05:13:31,520
» All right. Anyone else have a comment or

7104
05:13:31,520 --> 05:13:32,638
question?

7105
05:13:32,638 --> 05:13:34,958
>> Mayor, can I make a comment?

7106
05:13:34,958 --> 05:13:36,878
>> Okay.

7107
05:13:36,878 --> 05:13:38,878
Go ahead.

7108
05:13:38,878 --> 05:13:41,760
>> Um I I was uh with planning commission

7109
05:13:41,760 --> 05:13:44,638
when they were considering this and I

7110
05:13:44,638 --> 05:13:47,120
think you know on the surface it does

7111
05:13:47,120 --> 05:13:48,958
seem fairly complex. It took me a while

7112
05:13:48,958 --> 05:13:51,920
to get my mind around it. [snorts] Um, I

7113
05:13:51,920 --> 05:13:53,840
think it does

7114
05:13:53,840 --> 05:13:55,440
um

7115
05:13:55,440 --> 05:13:57,280
make progress for us and some of our

7116
05:13:57,280 --> 05:14:00,160
concerns about the effect of of our

7117
05:14:00,160 --> 05:14:01,600
current building regulations on

7118
05:14:01,600 --> 05:14:03,760
neighborhoods and so uh the planning

7119
05:14:03,760 --> 05:14:05,840
commission was universally supportive of

7120
05:14:05,840 --> 05:14:08,160
it. Uh they felt like it was a good step

7121
05:14:08,160 --> 05:14:10,240
in the right direction and I agree with

7122
05:14:10,240 --> 05:14:12,320
that.

7123
05:14:12,320 --> 05:14:14,160
>> Right. Thank you for reporting on the

7124
05:14:14,160 --> 05:14:16,560
planning commission.

7125
05:14:16,560 --> 05:14:19,280
Anyone else comment? All right, we have

7126
05:14:19,280 --> 05:14:20,000
a public

7127
05:14:20,000 --> 05:14:22,638
>> if I can just express gratitude and

7128
05:14:22,638 --> 05:14:24,718
appreciation for Jared Hall and Gary

7129
05:14:24,718 --> 05:14:28,000
McInn and our our staff for for

7130
05:14:28,000 --> 05:14:29,760
>> the tremendous work they've they've put

7131
05:14:29,760 --> 05:14:31,920
into this. It this took a lot of

7132
05:14:31,920 --> 05:14:34,320
research and analysis and even some

7133
05:14:34,320 --> 05:14:37,040
creativity and thinking outside the box,

7134
05:14:37,040 --> 05:14:41,510
pun intended. I just

7135
05:14:41,520 --> 05:14:43,920
» I appreciate their how as well. you

7136
05:14:43,920 --> 05:14:46,400
know, they they uh approach this in a in

7137
05:14:46,400 --> 05:14:48,798
a friendly, approachable, accessible

7138
05:14:48,798 --> 05:14:49,440
way. So,

7139
05:14:49,440 --> 05:14:51,600
>> great. Thank Yes. Thank you.

7140
05:14:51,600 --> 05:14:54,160
>> Well, it is a public hearing, so I'm

7141
05:14:54,160 --> 05:14:55,280
going to go ahead and open the public

7142
05:14:55,280 --> 05:14:57,920
hearing. Anyone who would like to make a

7143
05:14:57,920 --> 05:15:01,200
comment on the proposed ordinance to

7144
05:15:01,200 --> 05:15:03,600
make these changes to the allowable

7145
05:15:03,600 --> 05:15:05,360
height of primary buildings in single

7146
05:15:05,360 --> 05:15:06,958
family residential zones. Is there

7147
05:15:06,958 --> 05:15:09,412
anyone who'd like to speak to that?

7148
05:15:09,412 --> 05:15:10,958
[sighs]

7149
05:15:10,958 --> 05:15:13,360
Oh, I'm seeing heads like, "No, nope. I

7150
05:15:13,360 --> 05:15:16,000
have nothing to say. Okay, with that,

7151
05:15:16,000 --> 05:15:17,280
we'll go ahead and close the public

7152
05:15:17,280 --> 05:15:18,480
hearing and bring it back to the

7153
05:15:18,480 --> 05:15:20,000
council.

7154
05:15:20,000 --> 05:15:22,240
All right, Council Member Kilpac. Mayor,

7155
05:15:22,240 --> 05:15:24,480
I move that we approve by ordinance the

7156
05:15:24,480 --> 05:15:27,680
proposed amendments to article 2-6-8 of

7157
05:15:27,680 --> 05:15:30,160
Worm City Code relating to allowable

7158
05:15:30,160 --> 05:15:32,480
height for primary buildings in a single

7159
05:15:32,480 --> 05:15:33,600
family residential zone.

7160
05:15:33,600 --> 05:15:34,958
>> Right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is

7161
05:15:34,958 --> 05:15:36,000
there a second?

7162
05:15:36,000 --> 05:15:36,958
>> I'll second that.

7163
05:15:36,958 --> 05:15:38,878
>> Right. Thank you, Council Member Mallet.

7164
05:15:38,878 --> 05:15:42,560
Is there any further discussion?

7165
05:15:42,560 --> 05:15:44,400
Um hearing none, we'll go ahead and

7166
05:15:44,400 --> 05:15:45,920
council member Kilpac

7167
05:15:45,920 --> 05:15:46,320
>> I

7168
05:15:46,320 --> 05:15:49,440
>> vote I and Council Member Mikum

7169
05:15:49,440 --> 05:15:55,360
>> I

7170
05:15:55,360 --> 05:15:57,600
>> All right, motion passes unanimously.

7171
05:15:57,600 --> 05:15:58,160
Thank you.

7172
05:15:58,160 --> 05:15:59,440
>> Thank you all so much.

7173
05:15:59,440 --> 05:16:02,958
>> Thank you. All right. Item number 11.1

7174
05:16:02,958 --> 05:16:05,120
is a financial summary from February and

7175
05:16:05,120 --> 05:16:07,120
March of 2026. And you'll find that in

7176
05:16:07,120 --> 05:16:10,080
your city uh council meeting packet. And

7177
05:16:10,080 --> 05:16:12,638
our fate now lies with item 12, city

7178
05:16:12,638 --> 05:16:16,480
manager information items. What you got?

7179
05:16:16,480 --> 05:16:21,680
>> Uh, pay attention to some calendar invites that are that have come

7180
05:16:21,680 --> 05:16:25,520
to you uh from Lorie Kryman. Uh, so

7181
05:16:25,520 --> 05:16:28,560
Tuesday is officially the city's 107th

7182
05:16:28,560 --> 05:16:30,718
birthday. We are going to throw a little

7183
05:16:30,718 --> 05:16:32,958
party on Wednesday at opening night at

7184
05:16:32,958 --> 05:16:35,440
the farmers market at the stage in the

7185
05:16:35,440 --> 05:16:37,600
city center park. and the neighborhood

7186
05:16:37,600 --> 05:16:40,718
commission is serving 1,070

7187
05:16:40,718 --> 05:16:43,040
pieces of cake and there will be live

7188
05:16:43,040 --> 05:16:47,760
music and um and then the Oram's farmers

7189
05:16:47,760 --> 05:16:50,160
market which as you know has been just

7190
05:16:50,160 --> 05:16:52,638
more and more successful every year it's

7191
05:16:52,638 --> 05:16:55,840
also kicking off that night um and it'll

7192
05:16:55,840 --> 05:16:58,638
be its sixth year and there will be you

7193
05:16:58,638 --> 05:17:00,560
know just lots of excitement and and

7194
05:17:00,560 --> 05:17:02,080
participation all around.

7195
05:17:02,080 --> 05:17:03,440
>> Will you remind me what time the

7196
05:17:03,440 --> 05:17:05,760
birthday party birthday's part of the

7197
05:17:05,760 --> 05:17:08,400
event is? is at 6.

7198
05:17:08,400 --> 05:17:10,400
>> Pete, do you

7199
05:17:10,400 --> 05:17:11,360
>> Yeah. 6 o'clock.

7200
05:17:11,360 --> 05:17:13,360
>> 6 o'clock.

7201
05:17:13,360 --> 05:17:16,000
>> Um, and then also to celebrate our

7202
05:17:16,000 --> 05:17:18,080
birthday and our annual kindness week,

7203
05:17:18,080 --> 05:17:19,840
we are doing a community service project

7204
05:17:19,840 --> 05:17:22,560
at Nelson's Grove next Saturday at 9:00

7205
05:17:22,560 --> 05:17:25,680
a.m. And as per usual, we feel like the

7206
05:17:25,680 --> 05:17:28,080
best way to celebrate is to ser, you

7207
05:17:28,080 --> 05:17:29,680
know, provide additional opportunities

7208
05:17:29,680 --> 05:17:32,958
to serve the the community. So that's

7209
05:17:32,958 --> 05:17:35,520
all I've got. All right, that is all he

7210
05:17:35,520 --> 05:17:39,200
has. All right, we have made it to um

7211
05:17:39,200 --> 05:17:43,360
item number 13. I motion to adjurnn.

7212
05:17:43,360 --> 05:17:45,920
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn. But

7213
05:17:45,920 --> 05:17:47,760
before I do that, I just want to give a

7214
05:17:47,760 --> 05:17:49,680
shout out

7215
05:17:49,680 --> 05:17:53,120
to Council Member Mikum

7216
05:17:53,120 --> 05:17:58,160
who is awake at 3:45 a.m. where he's at.

7217
05:17:58,160 --> 05:18:00,000
Quinn, I don't I don't know how you did

7218
05:18:00,000 --> 05:18:02,958
that, but you're amazing. So, with that,

7219
05:18:02,958 --> 05:18:06,160
I'd like to make a motion to

7220
05:18:06,160 --> 05:18:08,560
close the meeting. All right. Have a

7221
05:18:08,560 --> 05:18:10,400
motion. Do we need to do the second? I

7222
05:18:10,400 --> 05:18:11,280
can't remember.

7223
05:18:11,280 --> 05:18:12,000
>> Second.

7224
05:18:12,000 --> 05:18:14,160
>> Have a second. Do we have to vote? I

7225
05:18:14,160 --> 05:18:15,600
>> I

7226
05:18:15,600 --> 05:18:19,680
>> We're not doing a roll call, Mr. Earl.

7227
05:18:19,680 --> 05:18:23,040
>> All right. See you next week