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plus all of you. Welcome

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to our work session today.

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And Teresa, have you gotten everything I

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Okay, you're ready to go.

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Glad to have you here. We have a lot on

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our work session agenda as well as on

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our regular meeting agenda.

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So, we're just going to dive right into

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it. Our first presentation is from the

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Utah Transit Authority. And I would like

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to welcome Jay Fox, executive director,

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and I know you have some others with you

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from UTA. And so, I'll turn the time

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over to you.

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>> Thank you. Thank you so much. What I'd

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like to do that first one, I'd have

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everybody introduce themselves. I think

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we'll go with Sharon.

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go ahead.

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>> Uh good afternoon. I'm Sharon Robertson,

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UTA director of

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» Cameron Beutler, government relations

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for UTA.

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>> Uh Nicole Martin, just recently with UTA

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and working with Jay.

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» I'm Mary DeLamar Schaefer. I'm with UTA

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down here in Utah County. I just was

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reminiscing about my first government

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job was in 1982 with the U-1.

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Thank you all.

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» We're glad to have you and your team

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here.

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>> Yeah, yeah. Mary's a legend and she's

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going to be retiring soon, so

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All right. Yeah, I want to jump in and

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certainly give you enough time to ask

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any questions of us. Uh since I am

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sitting in the interview seat.

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That's what it feels like right now. Um

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I just wanted to tell you a little bit

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about myself cuz I've been here 5 years,

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but I think most of the cities in Utah

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staff and elected leaders

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interact a lot with Jeff Acerson or Mary

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who's taken you know a big lead on the

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political side and on the municipal side

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down here.

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I came to Utah

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in 2022 specifically for this job. I

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used to be with the Federal Transit

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Administration and the United States

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Department of Transportation for 15

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years

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and I can tell you and this is true even

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today that if you walk the halls of the

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Federal Transit Administration you say

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give me the top three transit agencies

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in the country

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UTA 95% of the time is in that list of

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first. So

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we have a stellar reputation. We're

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about to host the national conference

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the American Public Transportation

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Association's Mobility Conference which

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also has a bus operator and mechanics

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competition international one.

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And and we've already got a lot of

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requests to see some of the things we're

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doing our on demand work or commuter

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rail system. Really really exciting. Um

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did a little bit of time at Amtrak

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worked for SEPTA which is the

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Philadelphia area transit agency before

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I got the call here and my first

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question was why do you want a

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Philadelphia attorney to run the Utah

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love with it right away. So Jan and I

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have been here and we're we're we no

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longer say we're in Utah, we say this is

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our home. So

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today.

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Uh wanted to talk to you a little bit

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about what's going on at UTA and

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specifically I'll start by talking about

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the governance changes

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because I think they're important and

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important in terms of how you're going

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to be interacting with the agency and

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then I'm going to turn the time over to

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Jarom who is our director of planning to

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go through the service that we have in

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Orem right now as well as connecting

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with the Utah County and talk a little

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bit about that and then answer any

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questions you have as we get on board

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with our planning efforts.

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Um so they uh Senate Bill 197, which was

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the bill uh for this last legislative

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session, that changed the governance

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uh was sponsored by uh Senator Harper.

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a you know, the focus was to uh have us

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better respond to growth within

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communities because

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uh the growth is enormous and they um

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hard thing about being UTA right now is

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that the demand for our services is over

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the top and uh the hard thing is the

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demand for our services is over the top.

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ever been in where the state's

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population size is 3 and 1/2 million

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that has a such a desire for transit and

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such support for transit and that is at

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every level including the state

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legislature. Uh so um I think part of uh

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Senator Harper's uh goal with this was

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to uh reinvest trust uh back in the

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executive team. Uh and we went through a

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little bit of a rough patch uh back in

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um and we've come out of that very

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nicely. Uh and it was more uh you know, how

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people were

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uh handling some of our real estate

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assets. Uh we're long past that now and

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uh the agency's done 40 million

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customers 2 years in a row now. Uh so

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that's uh fantastic and we have now

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three successful bus rapid transits

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including UVX which you guys know well.

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for the governance changes, we have gone

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from three full-time uh trustees

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uh who I reported to uh over these last

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uh four plus years.

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uh on July 1st uh when a new part-time

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seven-member transit commission

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uh is um

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uh uh, to, uh, provide governance for

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our agency. I will not report to that

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Transit Commission. I will report to the

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governor. I'm a, uh, appointee by the

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governor. Uh, so all of our work will be

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done through that executive, uh, chain of command.

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lot of the role that our local advisory

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council provided uh, prior to this

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people that have been nominated for

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that, uh, position, we don't have a a

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commission yet. Uh, advocacy is the

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strong theme. How do we advocate for

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more transit? How do we advocate for

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more transit funding? More revenue

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streams uh, to make it, uh, that much

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more robust. Uh, the appointments, uh,

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uh, in process. I know there was a

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meeting yesterday to talk about, uh,

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commission membership. Two from the

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speaker of the house, uh, two from the

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Senate president. And then, uh, a a

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slate of local nominations, uh, which

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are before the governor right now. Uh,

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the only one that I would say is set is

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Salt Lake County nominated only one

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individual. Uh, they did a process where

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they had a group of, uh, potential nominees. They voted on on

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that slate and the person who had the

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most votes was the only person pushed

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a four-year term for each of them, but

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it's going to be staggered as they as

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director side of the house. And I say

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3,000 plus employees at our agency who

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are tremendous, who knock operations out

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of the park every day. But with the

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so I consider the executive director and

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executive team responsibilities all the

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same discussion.

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agency,

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specifically strategic leadership. We

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have a very um

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nimble uh this strategic business plan

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that has five very intuitive strategic

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priorities and a very intuitive

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and interpretive mission statement,

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which is we move you.

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orientation this morning. I love talking

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about it because one, there are so many

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mission statements that go on for

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sentences

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and nobody ever remembers them. But I

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can tell you that all 3,000 employees at

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the CTA know our mission. And and we and

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move and you can mean different things

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depending on where you are at the agency

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and that's the beauty of it. And so I

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always share in the morning

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of new employee orientation what you

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means to me. Um we are responsible for

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all of our budgeting,

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all of our procurement work is going to

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come through the executive director

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and then preparing the strategic

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long-range plan.

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different than what I just talked about,

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which is our strategic business plan.

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which ties together with the MPOs

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long-range plans as well as the state's

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unified plan.

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long-range plan is it has local service

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in it, which you don't see in the MPO

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plans.

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their first order of business is

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regional representation. I'll talk to

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very defined view of what that meant. Uh

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advocacy, as I said for transit,

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general governance of our agency and uh,

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and budget approval. There's a number of

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other responsibilities, but that

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regional representation representation

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was very important to the city of League

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and city of Leagues and

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in city in city like sorry, League of

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there was that direct relationship uh,

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and municipalities. Um, I will say now

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uh, cuz I've um, insinuated at this uh, this statement from Senator Harper,

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which is that in the legislation, each

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transit commissioner serves and

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represents the whole of the large public

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transit district and does not represent

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a specific geographic portion of the

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district. Uh, I know that for Senator

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Harper and for Representative Briscoe

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for senior two chairs of the uh,

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transportation committees, having a

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regional perspective for this agency is

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incredibly important. We are made of 70

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seven municipalities. And without seeing

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ourselves as a large we, and making sure

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that we're always seeing what our

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services through that lens

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uh, is you know, would it almost become

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divisive over time and um, because we

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have so much service that goes through

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all municipalities including the spine

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of our service, uh, the front runner

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commuter line,

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um,

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seeing ourselves as a we was really

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important.

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Um, and then um, our three missions from

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the legislature's point of view is to

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provide efficient and cost effective uh,

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service, maintain a state of good repair

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and I can tell you that that is a

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full-time uh, job for our capital team.

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60% of our capital budget is simply

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maintaining our system. Maintain making

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sure it's in a state of good repair and

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that's everything from maintaining the

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front runner in a state of good repair

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to replacing buses as they time out. Uh,

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we have a huge bus fleet and making sure

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that they're

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you know they're in good working

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condition is really important. And then

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finally reducing our debt and

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maintaining fiscal responsibility.

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So I'll pause there. I don't know if you

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have any immediate questions for me or

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we can turn it over to Jared talk about

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our existing service and our

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advanced sense.

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>> Legislative Council

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>> All right. Great. Thank you.

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Let me take a moment to just talk about

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existing services that we have here in

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the city of Orem.

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We have as Jay talked about regional

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significance. We have three regional

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routes that come through the city of

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Orem. Obviously being FrontRunner. We

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have the UVX line and then route route

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50 which

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ultimately lay down to Provo station

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along State Street.

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With that

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I I I guess if I can put that in context

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so the the the purple line being

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FrontRunner 850 running down State

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Street is the green line and then

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what am I missing? UVX here at the

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bottom of the screen here connecting the

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Orem station through UVU through UVU and

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to Provo station as well.

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Um

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Blue lines that you're seeing here are

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local routes so those operate on

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30-minute services.

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You get east-west connection through

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those routes. You have connections to

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the Vineyard station

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into University Place and University

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Valley University as well

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those routes. We also run

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four express routes which are just run

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off uh during peak hours which connect

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various other local areas into Utah

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Valley University. So

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we have about 10 routes really operating

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in the city of Orem proper already. I

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think as as noted and Jay talked about

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that regional significance of

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FrontRunner of of UVX and the route 50

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really are the spine of transit service

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um in this community and we're really

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able to make those local connections

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with those other routes.

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Um and so investment into FrontRunner

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um the 850

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continuing to make that

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a very successful route um are really

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good opportunities for us as we think

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about regional connection um in the city

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of Provo.

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>> Was there a question?

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>> Yes, please.

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>> Two Two things to note.

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Uh

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You may have heard of the FrontRunner 2X

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project. So that is uh designed to bring

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FrontRunner to 15-minute service in the

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peak. Uh right now it's operating in

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30-minute service. That's because we

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only 25% of our line and we own our line

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uh separate and apart from Union

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Pacific. We bought it from Union

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Pacific. Uh we only have 25% double

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tracking. So the ability for trains to

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pass each other is quite limited and so

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we can only run 30 minutes in the peak.

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We are looking to move to When I say we,

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along with the Utah Department of

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Transportation who's actually applying

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for the federal grant uh for the um

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expansion of the service uh to uh 50%

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double tracking which will give us

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15-minute service.

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That will open up Sunday service uh to

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15 minutes. Someone often asks question

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is not having service on Sunday on

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FrontRunner a religious thing. I say no,

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it is not. It is the only day that we

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can get out and actually maintain the

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lines uh because we can't maintain the

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lines during the week because of the

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limited amount of double tracking we

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have. The importance of that especially

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for Orem is that will give us uh

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15-minute connection uh to Orem Central

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Station. So right now every time that

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UVX bus comes through uh is not picking

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up a lot of FrontRunner traffic other

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than on the half hour.

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Um the this will be true for actually

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our entire alignment. We have a lot of

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15-minute services that connect into

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central stations including Orem Central.

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And so uh the ridership uh increases as

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a result of that are going to be quite

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significant. In addition to fact that

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once you, you know, you go to the train

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station, train's pulling away, and you

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realize that the next train's not coming

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for 29 minutes, there's a good chance

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you're going to get back in your car.

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That's not true at 14 minutes. That's

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the magic number in transit is 15

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minutes. That's what people hang around

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for if they miss their their ride. The

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other piece I want to pick up on real

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quick is that our Mount Olivet

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uh bus um

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facility uh which Mary is the general

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manager of,

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uh we're looking to expand that facility

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cuz we are really tight right now.

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The ability to expand with that with an

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uh what we have right now, so adding

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these adding facilities is really

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important. We are looking again to a

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federal grant to help that. We have had

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uh positive feedback from

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uh the Utah uh commissioners that they

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would like to uh provide a local share

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if we went in for that for that grant.

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Uh so that would make a big difference

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in in terms of how we could add service

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uh to all of Utah County out of that

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facility.

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>> What's the cost to double track the

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whole line?

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>> Uh so

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it's a good question, Representative.

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It's the the cost of the 50% to go from

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25 to 50 is about $3 billion, and we're

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looking for federal participation

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somewhere in the range of about 74%.

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Uh one of the reasons we're asking for

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that that high is when we did build that

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ourselves, we actually took FrontRunner

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share. I say we, I mean the state of

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Utah, Utah Transit Authority, ourselves.

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Uh I I'd say in today's dollars, you're

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looking at probably somewhere in the

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area of another four to five to make

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that happen.

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Uh and that's in today's dollars.

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» All right. Sorry.

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>> I didn't answer too much slides and all.

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>> Sure. Sure.

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>> I'm going to go with the older no

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question.

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>> Um

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can you talk about the proposed timeline

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for the double track or for the two

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times FrontRunner and then secondly

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while this map is up I'm wondering if

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you could talk about ridership and where

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we are at in those different lines in

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terms of our capacity.

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>> Sure. I'll take the first one I'll give

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you the second one.

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So right now we are waiting to move into

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the engineering phase which is the final

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phase before grant agreement. It the

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application is literally on the US

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Department of Transportation Secretary's

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desk

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and I hear positive things. I

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we're hoping by the end of this month

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we'll be able to move into that and then

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that would mean we would most likely

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have that grant probably by the end of

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the year beginning next year which would

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get us to a timeline of 2030. Uh you

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know the the super goal is obviously to

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get it in by 2034. It's going to be a

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big game-changer for for the event

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that's coming our way

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but this is really a generational

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investment and you know as the

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representative said representative

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Peterson said I mean we we really want

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to we'd like to see the entire line

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double tracked. It's going to

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it's not only going to give us

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make us more nimble but it allows a lot

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more express service which we don't have

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the ability

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» You have a question?

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>> Oh I'm sorry. Um

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Does that include sound walls at all?

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>> I'm sorry which one?

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>> Sound walls.

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>> Um that is a good question.

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That would be probably part of whatever

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environmental process we would do if we

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bumped up to 100% double tracking

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because they they normally do that

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analysis as part of that work.

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So I would imagine that if that was

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needed that would happen at that time.

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Um

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Yeah. I

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It's hard to say beyond that you know

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because I I really would be guessing at

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this point.

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You said there was all right so I'll go

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ahead and go ahead and start so

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Great news is Um, regional routes that

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we talked about are some of the highest

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ridership routes that UTA has in in the

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system. So, for some context, we do

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about 40 million trips per year. Um,

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half of that is on bus. So, if you look

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at um UVX, for example, we're doing 2

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million trips per year on that route.

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Um, really successful service. Um,

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rivals are

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remind uh in Salt Lake when it comes to

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terms of ridership. Uh, the A 50 is

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talked about, we're doing almost 700,000

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trips a year. Um, and part of that

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success

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um is is noted as that 15-minute service

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that Jay talked about when the bus come

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here every So, it makes it very

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uh a usable service

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um and a regional significant service

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that connects to those local routes for

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transfers.

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Um, and then uh FrontRunner, just just

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think about trips we're picking up at at

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the warm station alone, we're

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almost 300,000 people at that location

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alone. That's the seventh highest out of

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the 16 stations we have along

556
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,920
FrontRunner corridor.

557
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:12,840
>> Yeah, one of the things that we're going

558
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,280
to do, too, as well, uh we're we're

559
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,760
already there, we're already

560
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,200
manipulating the data right now, is uh

561
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,560
give you

562
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,240
uh cell utilization, because that's what

563
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,440
I think a lot of communities want to

564
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,080
know, like how many of our residents are

565
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,480
using system. So, it's one thing to say,

566
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,360
"Okay, people are boarding here," but

567
00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:31,840
they can be coming in from different

568
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,080
communities. We had a question on the

569
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,000
uh in Southwest Salt Lake County, and

570
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,720
you know, we have a number of rail

571
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,840
stations that are surrounding the

572
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,480
county. So, we know who

573
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,160
people are you know, we know how many

574
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,040
boardings are happening there, but I

575
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,280
think what a lot of those communities

576
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,280
want to know, and I'm sure what your

577
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,040
community wants to know, too, is well,

578
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,400
how many of our residents are actually

579
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,880
utilizing the system, because we can

580
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,520
track them using that.

581
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,200
Um, and that's

582
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:55,960
um

583
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,120
that work's being done right now. We're

584
00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:58,320
hoping to have that done by the end of

585
00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:58,880
the year.

586
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,480
>> Can you also just talk about the other

587
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,720
routes? I I'm speaking as somebody who tries to

588
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,960
ride the bus when I can, and sometimes I

589
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,520
get frustrated on those east-west routes

590
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,280
in particular just I I miss it cuz I'm late and then I get stuck, right?

591
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,560
I'm just wondering

592
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,600
um where you are in terms of capacity on

593
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,560
those other

594
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,320
>> Yeah, and I'll ask my question before

595
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,520
you go there.

596
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,360
Uh in the Missionary Training Center, do

597
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,160
you guys have numbers on UVX and

598
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,120
FrontRunner?

599
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,760
What that generates? Oops.

600
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,920
>> From this for the center itself?

601
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,280
>> For those two lines, UVX yeah, and

602
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,080
FrontRunner.

603
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,440
>> I think you can look at bus stop level

604
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,120
warnings.

605
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,200
>> Yeah, we can get that to you. We don't

606
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,120
have

607
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,240
>> Do you only have all the missionaries

608
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480
take that to the airport?

609
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,320
>> They're using UVX to connect to

610
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,400
FrontRunner.

611
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,520
>> Okay, anyway, can

612
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,080
>> to be that person, but you've got about

613
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:50,760
5 more minutes.

614
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,040
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

615
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,560
>> I'm sorry.

616
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,960
>> I'm back. So, I think personal one

617
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,000
Council had requested

618
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,840
you just brief them quickly on on-demand

619
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,960
and what that is.

620
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,920
Sure, Jay. So, uh I'll I'll be quick.

621
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,040
So,

622
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,880
uh in 2019, UTA's innovation innovative

623
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,800
mobility department piloted an on-demand

624
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,840
service, which is is very much not like

625
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,920
a fixed route service um to really

626
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,080
understand how we can serve communities

627
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,520
from a coverage-based model approach

628
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,600
versus a fixed route transit or bus

629
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,880
system, which um operate very

630
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,080
differently and and and serve very

631
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,240
populations. And so, with that, what we

632
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800
do is we geofence a geographic region,

633
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720
we put vehicles within that region, and

634
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,640
they really operate on-demand just like

635
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,200
you'd see in the private sector with

636
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,720
It's It's been a very successful

637
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,160
service. There is a very

638
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800
public transit component to this when

639
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,720
you look at how operates compared to

640
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,480
on-demand sector operates. Well, you can hail a ride, um

641
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,800
share rides, we have wheelchair

642
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,200
accessible rides. You can't operate

643
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,640
within in the service area, and really

644
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,200
the idea is connect you into the bring

645
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,800
your transit system. And

646
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,480
we see within the existing service areas

647
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,800
that we have, the majority of our trips

648
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,160
do connect into a transit center and

649
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,600
then people use those trips for first

650
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,680
and last mile connections.

651
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,120
We also do see very common locations

652
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,760
such as grocery stores and hospitals

653
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,240
with real needs for for our community to

654
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,360
use those to get to those destinations

655
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,280
and so, we've seen a lot of success with

656
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,480
that service.

657
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,480
We have five service areas right now

658
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,440
including the newest one which is on the

659
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,640
west side of Provo connecting

660
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,040
both both the Provo FrontRunner Station

661
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,120
and the Orem FrontRunner Station

662
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,040
into that that that west side region

663
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,200
along with the airport there.

664
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,760
We are working right now with UDOT and

665
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,440
UDOT County

666
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,320
six zone this

667
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,000
list which will be in northwest Utah

668
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,200
County.

669
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,120
I'll be very quick and I know we're out

670
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,240
of time but any questions on this is a

671
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,840
I wish more people knew about this. The

672
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,040
on-demand is an amazing service.

673
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,080
>> Yeah, so one of the things that I think

674
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
everybody was hesitant on when this

675
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080
service came out was

676
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,120
we we these services get overwhelmed

677
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,880
very quickly.

678
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,040
Which is a good thing again. So there

679
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,520
was the marketing on this one was not

680
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,520
less than stellar. That's all changed.

681
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,120
We are working on that now because we

682
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,800
want to see the service use more of the

683
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,200
annual see that

684
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,640
recognize the value of it particularly

685
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,440
your high school students

686
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,920
really use it well

687
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,000
in our other zones and will and will get

688
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,040
a lot a lot of ridership in it.

689
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,480
And and we we can get the we can get the

690
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,920
amount of ridership on each of the

691
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,760
services for you as well. So make sure

692
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,080
we get them.

693
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400
I'll be very quick if you want me to two

694
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,600
more seconds.

695
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,120
What I wanted to just all highlight that

696
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,400
we're going through all of this is um

697
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Orem City has been a great

698
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
UTA is not successful without the

699
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,760
collaboration and partnerships we have

700
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,600
with our cities and municipalities,

701
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,480
whether that's planning our services,

702
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,120
whether that's capital construction on

703
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,200
our projects, whether that's actually

704
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,960
deploying the service. We can't do

705
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,240
without our partners. And this quickly

706
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,800
highlights a lot of work that we've done

707
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,200
with city, whether it's building bus

708
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,960
stops, whether it's coordinating on

709
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,240
construction projects, whether it's

710
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,880
detouring routes.

711
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720
Um your staff

712
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280
really goes really participates with us

713
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,200
with UDOT with the MPOs and we we don't

714
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,440
get to do that work without all of you.

715
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,120
So we we want to thank you for that

716
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,640
collaboration. There's a lot of

717
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,920
opportunities I could tell you as we

718
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,360
continue to move forward and grow our

719
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,400
services, but um want to just note that.

720
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,360
On my last note, if you'll

721
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,920
one more slide. If you think about our

722
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960
opportunities right now,

723
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,600
um

724
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,320
we work hand in hand with Mountain

725
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,560
Association of Governments as they

726
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,000
develop their regional transportation

727
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960
plan. Your staff does it well, I believe

728
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,600
um

729
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,440
others are involved, but we're aligned

730
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,000
in what we we and how that plan is

731
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,120
developed and what goes into that plan.

732
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,000
As Jay noted, we also do our own

733
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,720
long-range transit plan, which which

734
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,600
just builds upon what's in the regional

735
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,640
transportation plan and really looks at

736
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640
local services and how we look at the

737
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,080
broader transportation system

738
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,840
altogether. We're about to go out for um

739
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,400
engagement is that both this year and

740
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,440
next year. And so we will be

741
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,640
coordinating with the city um as we

742
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,720
develop that plan and we work with

743
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,600
staff, we work with with the MPO and

744
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,960
UDOT. And so

745
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720
a lot of opportunity to engage with UTA

746
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,560
as we develop that plan. Lastly, um just

747
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,200
as the city develops their own um local

748
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,000
plans as you begin your transportation

749
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,280
planning, um

750
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,440
opportunities to partner with you and

751
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,280
support you on those efforts um is

752
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,440
something we'd really like to do. Those

753
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,320
efforts often inform our plans as well.

754
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,120
And so having that collaboration up

755
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:39,320
front

756
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,000
in advance and as we develop our plans

757
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,440
is a really way we

758
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,520
need to develop and grow services as

759
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720
they are. So I'll just leave it at that.

760
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,680
So Jane, that would be the underlying of

761
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,600
>> We've got more time. Because

762
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,360
I could talk especially I can talk about

763
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,760
active transportation all day long. Um

764
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,880
>> Does that Does that replace your 2030?

765
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Is that your goal?

766
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
Replace the 2030 one.

767
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,720
>> 2030? I'm sorry.

768
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,760
>> Which one?

769
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320
What was the You had your 2030

770
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,240
transportation plan, 2030 plan.

771
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,800
>> Oh, the 20 The current long-range plan

772
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,440
goes through 2050.

773
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:13,720
>> Okay.

774
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,680
>> We had a 2030 long-range strategic

775
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,280
business plan, which was a 2030 plan.

776
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:18,680
>> Okay.

777
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,000
>> And that's bringing me real real data

778
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,440
right now, but the the legislature

779
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,880
redefined our strategic plan as our

780
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,240
long-range transit plan to ensure that

781
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,480
there was connectivity between that and

782
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,920
uh both the NPO plans and the state

783
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,360
unified plans.

784
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:34,760
So.

785
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,880
>> Okay. So, that's what you're trying to

786
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,600
accomplish here.

787
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,800
>> correct. Yes.

788
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,120
>> So, you're merging all of these plans?

789
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,520
>> They're not actually merging, but making

790
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,520
sure they're aligned.

791
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,000
>> You're aligned.

792
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,400
>> Right.

793
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320
>> And we're on the same time cycle as the

794
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,480
RTPs, both Wasatch Front Regional

795
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Council and Mountainland Association of

796
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,920
Governments.

797
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,600
>> Excellent.

798
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,880
>> Let me hold me hold there.

799
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,160
>> All right. Well, thank you for having

800
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,400
us.

801
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,350
>> Thank you.

802
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:55,760
Good.

803
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,880
>> Representative, we'd like to Next Next

804
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,800
person on our agenda this afternoon is a

805
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,200
legislative report from Val Peterson. He's one of our our

806
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880
state representatives here in Orem and

807
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080
say my neighbor, friend, and

808
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,120
welcome.

809
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,600
>> Thank you.

810
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240
I I went to a meeting earlier today and

811
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520
Val and Nancy Hale welcomed my

812
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,040
And I said, "This is so awesome. My

813
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000
friends are welcoming me to this

814
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,120
meeting."

815
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,720
And as I come to council and I look

816
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,600
around I look around and see all my

817
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,120
friends. So,

818
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,480
it's great to be with you. Um

819
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,280
when I first was elected to the house,

820
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,320
my house committee, my house district

821
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,280
was all located in Orem.

822
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,360
Today, I represent Northwest Orem,

823
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,600
um

824
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Vineyard City from 8th on, which would

825
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440
basically be Utah City.

826
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,520
Uh

827
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Lindon from

828
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,200
State Street

829
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
West to the lake.

830
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,800
And then a little bit of Pleasant Grove

831
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,080
and a little bit of American Fork.

832
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,600
And so that just shows you the growth

833
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,680
that's happened in Utah County and and

834
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840
where that growth has been to the north.

835
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,440
It's pushed our legislative districts

836
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,160
north, so

837
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Um so I have

838
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
uh five city councils that I get to talk

839
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600
to and meet with and that's awesome, but

840
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,040
uh it um

841
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
I've been an Orem resident for the last

842
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,040
36 years, so

843
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
all my kids went to school here.

844
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
And uh it's been great honor to

845
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,520
represent Orem.

846
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,480
>> So, it's safe to say Orem's your

847
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,240
favorite?

848
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,080
>> That's right. Yes, yes.

849
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,840
absolutely.

850
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Uh I try to meet with Brent. Brent and I

851
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,040
try to go to lunch once a quarter and uh

852
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,440
that's been awesome just to help

853
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,600
coordinate and make sure that we're on

854
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,920
the same

855
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880
uh cycles and looking at everything, so

856
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,720
I'm in my eighth term and uh

857
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,120
you can uh

858
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,960
you can see that I've represented Orem

859
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,080
since 2011.

860
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,320
So,

861
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,680
uh which is has been awesome.

862
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,360
We have uh the largest uh Republican

863
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,160
delegation in the house

864
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,760
uh from Utah County and so

865
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Um I also wanted you all. You made me

866
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,960
your grand marshal of the parade uh 2

867
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,360
years ago

868
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,480
and that was a great experience and uh

869
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,360
just a great honor and so thank you to

870
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,600
all of you for for allowing me that and

871
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,280
uh Ann and I had a great time as we got

872
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,160
to ride down the street and have all our

873
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,030
friends and neighbors yell at us, so

874
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Um

875
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,960
just so you know what my roles are right

876
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,720
now. I currently am the executive

877
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120
appropriations chair in the house.

878
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Uh so the state budget is really what I

879
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,320
focus in on.

880
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,120
Uh I just got appointed to two other

881
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320
committees as chair. I'm chair of the

882
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,880
rural health task force. Uh

883
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,680
state of Utah was just given uh

884
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,000
$200 million

885
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,000
to go towards rural health. So

886
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,240
uh we'll be providing oversight over how

887
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,200
that money is expended. It is estimated

888
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,840
that the federal government right now

889
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,240
will give us a billion dollars over the

890
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,520
next 5 years. And so we want to make

891
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,760
sure that we're

892
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
utilizing those funds to the best way

893
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,840
possible.

894
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,200
And then I also serve on the veterans

895
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400
and military affairs commission

896
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,240
uh within the state. And so

897
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,000
as you can see this year, this year was

898
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,720
a tight budget year.

899
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Uh we started the year by telling our

900
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
committees we would like them to cut 5%

901
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,040
of their budget.

902
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Uh we ended up right about

903
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,520
uh

904
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,440
2 and 1/2% is where most of the

905
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
committees ended up cutting.

906
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Uh

907
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,520
that is okay because uh when we did our budget revenue projections for

908
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320
February, they were up slightly. We had

909
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,080
$88 million ongoing and $125 million

910
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,040
one-time that was added to that which

911
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,720
allowed us to to get through the year.

912
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Uh in other words, paying for uh

913
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,680
inflation and public ed.

914
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Uh

915
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200
compensation for state employees, things

916
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,760
like that. Those were the things that we

917
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,280
ended up funding.

918
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,000
And that pretty much took most of the

919
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,230
money.

920
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Just so you know what kind of bills I

921
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,640
sponsor, obviously since I'm uh so tied

922
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,520
into the budget, most of my my bills

923
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,160
right now are budgetary in nature.

924
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,800
Uh

925
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760
the budgetary modifications bill is a

926
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,720
relook at uh

927
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880
how we're doing the state budget and and

928
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,480
setting up some parameters for that.

929
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Uh we changed the way we're doing uh the

930
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,760
attorney general funding for each state

931
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440
agency, so

932
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,920
uh instead of an ISF fund, we're making

933
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,480
uh we're putting their money into an

934
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,640
account that they can't utilize for

935
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,560
other things other than for how they're

936
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,240
going to use the attorney general's

937
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,600
office.

938
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,120
And then uh

939
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,200
HB 342

940
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,920
was uh a a follow-up bill. I had a bill

941
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,080
on state grant processes, which defined

942
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,040
basically set up guidelines for how

943
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,480
uh grants would be given from the state

944
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,120
to other entities within the state. This

945
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,760
is one that ties back to the federal

946
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,200
grants. It was originally targeted

947
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
because of the rural um grant that we

948
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,760
got cuz of how large it was. We didn't

949
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,280
really have any guardrails around

950
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,440
federal monies that come into the state.

951
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480
This sets up who's responsible for

952
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
determining how monies are spent. Uh

953
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,680
governor has

954
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640
10 million that they can do without the

955
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120
legislature. Uh 25 million can be done

956
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,720
by the executive appropriations

957
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760
committee. Um anything above 25 million

958
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,440
requires the whole legislature to

959
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,440
approve that expenditure process.

960
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880
>> So, you're comfortable with that?

961
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,200
>> Am I comfortable with that?

962
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,440
>> The guardrails for fraud that we're

963
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,160
seeing in so many other states.

964
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,760
>> Yeah, I I mean, we didn't have any

965
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920
guardrails up until that bill, and so

966
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,120
uh right now we're watching to see how

967
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,400
it works. Um obviously the legislative

968
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,000
process.

969
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,159
Uh there's nothing we do more than amend

970
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,320
bills from previous things that we've

971
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,679
done, so we'll see how this year goes.

972
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,280
Uh we'll see how the rural task force

973
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,399
goes.

974
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,200
Uh and if we need to make some

975
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,960
adjustments, we will.

976
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Um and then of course uh appropriating

977
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,399
money for the state is what HB 2 and 3

978
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,080
are, so.

979
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,679
Some other bills that that been involved

980
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,120
with uh

981
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,320
the spaceport. Um is uh one that I've

982
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,360
been the floor sponsor for.

983
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,639
Um

984
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,080
I've done a number of education bills,

985
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,600
both in public ed and higher ed.

986
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,040
And currently I serve on the education

987
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,639
committee. I serve on political

988
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,240
subdivisions. I also serve on

989
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:55,600
uh criminal justice.

990
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,280
And uh

991
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,680
and so

992
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,440
uh my bills usually kind of land in one

993
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,070
of those areas, plus the veterans piece.

994
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,800
And with that, I'm open to any questions

995
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,960
that you might have, anything that

996
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040
you're interested in or

997
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,670
wondering what's going on with.

998
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Uh obviously uh we're in May, we'll

999
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960
start interim next week.

1000
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,400
Uh just finished the session.

1001
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
Revenues uh are s-

1002
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440
are on track. I wouldn't say they're

1003
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
great, but I would say they're on track.

1004
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,720
And uh

1005
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:34,920
um

1006
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,240
we're getting ready to start you know,

1007
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,360
what we're going to do next year and

1008
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,560
what our agenda will be.

1009
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,600
And obviously water is everywhere you

1010
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960
go, the question is water.

1011
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,120
You know, where's water going to be?

1012
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,680
What's water going to be like? And and

1013
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,520
uh

1014
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,440
as we all know, it's going to be a dry

1015
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,120
summer.

1016
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,560
>> Is that what you anticipate the interim

1017
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,840
session

1018
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,560
focusing on is water or what do you

1019
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,320
anticipate?

1020
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:00,800
>> P.

1021
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,200
>> Uh no, uh actually so next week uh we'll

1022
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,320
start uh looking at rural health care

1023
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,000
transformation. We'll look at how that

1024
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,560
money's going to be expended, that 200

1025
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,800
million.

1026
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,760
Uh we will have executive appropriations

1027
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,520
next week, so we'll look at revenues and

1028
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,080
where they're at as we're coming into

1029
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,760
uh

1030
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,920
this this next year. We'll start to look

1031
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
at revenues for the coming session.

1032
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,960
And uh

1033
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,040
um

1034
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,920
education.

1035
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,800
I'm trying to think what's on the

1036
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,760
education agenda.

1037
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,720
Um

1038
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,640
I think you're going to see some more

1039
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,880
discussion about uh district splits

1040
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,440
as you see some other districts looking

1041
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,880
at those possibilities. So, what does

1042
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,520
that look like?

1043
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160
And then then I would tell you that uh

1044
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,520
the other big thing that we talked a lot

1045
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,680
about is obviously growth as you look at

1046
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Utah County,

1047
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,040
as you look at the state, uh

1048
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,440
and then you have Eagle Mountain

1049
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,720
uh where a tremendous amount of growth

1050
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,920
is happening and and roads and

1051
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,960
infrastructure are tied back to those

1052
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,640
issues. Those are really the biggest

1053
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,710
issues. Those are issues of growth.

1054
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,630
» I'm turning it over to questions.

1055
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Mike, we just want to thank you. Thank

1056
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,880
you for coming and thank you for your

1057
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,640
service in in and looking out for

1058
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,680
veterans, your military service, and in

1059
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,320
your in your public service here in the

1060
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,960
legislature. And

1061
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,880
do Have we invited Representative

1062
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Peterson to our Gold Star dedication?

1063
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,840
>> Crystal invites.

1064
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,160
>> Okay. Okay.

1065
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200
>> Um so,

1066
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,680
I uh I haven't uh

1067
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,520
I don't remember. I can't remember what

1068
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,840
day it was. I was looking at it.

1069
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,920
>> from Saturday.

1070
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,000
>> So.

1071
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,440
yeah, I do have it.

1072
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,720
So.

1073
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,000
But anyway, if you have any issues,

1074
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,520
there's anything you want to talk about,

1075
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,600
you're welcome to call me and discuss if

1076
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680
there's a concern.

1077
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Um there's some questions about property

1078
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,720
tax and things like that that

1079
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,560
everybody's interested in and I'm sure

1080
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,960
that will be a discussion throughout the

1081
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,800
year as we approach the session. Um

1082
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000
happy to discuss with any of you.

1083
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800
And always excited to go to a ribbon

1084
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,640
pulling with all of you like weeks ago

1085
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,320
at Mighty Lights.

1086
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,400
This is so Anyway, thanks for all you

1087
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,520
do. I know city councils uh

1088
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
where the rubber hits the road where all

1089
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,360
of your neighbors are calling you about

1090
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,960
every issue that you're dealing with in

1091
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,000
the so

1092
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,640
thank you for what you all do.

1093
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,960
>> Mayor and council, I'll

1094
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,800
also just add

1095
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,480
really that Representative Val Peterson

1096
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,000
is one of those that is actively,

1097
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,320
proactively, energetically

1098
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,040
available and wanting to partner and

1099
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,400
align with us and and it's great working

1100
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,560
with us, so um

1101
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,360
every both privately and publicly has

1102
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,440
always been sincere and genuine in that

1103
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,120
regard, so

1104
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Thank you.

1105
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,360
>> And I'll I'll also add obviously the VRC

1106
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,880
uh might not work out trying to do some

1107
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,600
things to

1108
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,680
maybe re-energize isn't the right word,

1109
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:02,400
but do some additional looking at uh startups and things like that that we

1110
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880
can add to that with the startup

1111
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,120
businesses and

1112
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,680
excited about some of the directions

1113
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,640
we're seeing from it as well.

1114
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,480
>> Now, where did he go? Oh, there he is.

1115
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,800
So, I don't know, Representative, if

1116
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,920
you've had the opportunity to meet our

1117
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,760
new economic development director.

1118
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,840
>> I I've heard of him. I haven't met him.

1119
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,280
>> Yeah, we're excited about

1120
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,560
>> I don't I think you've talked to Steve

1121
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,960
though, right?

1122
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,640
>> Hopefully.

1123
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,720
>> Yeah, I think you've talked to Steve

1124
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,600
down or something. So.

1125
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,720
>> Okay.

1126
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:30,800
>> All right, thanks.

1127
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,000
>> Thank you.

1128
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,720
>> Appreciate your time.

1129
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,360
>> Thanks thanks for all you do.

1130
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:41,030
>> Thank you.

1131
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,200
All right.

1132
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,840
Oh, you're up.

1133
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,520
>> All right.

1134
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,120
>> I think I'm doing it. Wait.

1135
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,320
Uh next, we have a presentation from

1136
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,040
Roger Timmerman from Utopia.

1137
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,360
And so, it looks like it's 15-minute

1138
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560
presentation and 10 Q&A, so

1139
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,040
I'll go ahead and turn the time over to

1140
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,160
you

1141
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,920
when it looks like they're setting up

1142
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:14,270
your presentation.

1143
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,560
» Oh, I'll talk first.

1144
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Anyways, that I for having me here.

1145
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,520
>> Welcome. It's always good to be back to

1146
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,070
Orem. Uh it's my favorite city.

1147
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Uh it's actually the only Utopian city

1148
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,080
that I've lived in. I was resident of

1149
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Orem for a little while.

1150
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,760
Um

1151
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,080
but uh anyways, glad to be here.

1152
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Uh it's always good to talk about

1153
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Utopia. I mean, how could it be anything

1154
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,720
other than great and wonderful being

1155
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,400
called Utopia, but you know, those of

1156
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,600
you been around a while realize there

1157
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,680
were some challenges in the early years

1158
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,680
of this.

1159
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,760
Um well, they'll I want to cover a

1160
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,240
little bit of the history cuz I the

1161
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,280
context is very important for what we're

1162
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,840
doing today

1163
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,640
uh based on what's happened. Uh just

1164
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,680
structurally, so you understand there

1165
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,120
are 11

1166
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,040
founding cities that bonded for the

1167
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,920
project. So, technically there was like

1168
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,760
16 members, but when it came time to

1169
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
actually move forward, pledge sales tax

1170
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
revenues towards bonds, and build this

1171
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,160
network, there were 11 cities on board

1172
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,560
at that time.

1173
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,600
Uh

1174
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,560
since that time, we've come up with

1175
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,480
various structures of partnership for

1176
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,960
expansion.

1177
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Um this is very important for future

1178
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,800
because

1179
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,360
I remember the day going back uh with

1180
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Utopia and and uh explaining that like,

1181
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,480
"Hey, we're never going to be able to

1182
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,680
pay these bonds with the original

1183
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,080
cities."

1184
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Um

1185
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,800
but we'll be able to build the network

1186
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,800
and get customers.

1187
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,600
But with growth and expansion, we're

1188
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,160
able to service previous debt and

1189
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,880
improve the overall financial position

1190
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,320
of the organization.

1191
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Uh and we'll show you how that's kind of

1192
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,000
worked.

1193
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Um Utopia phase one is colored here uh

1194
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,680
in red for a reason. It was a little

1195
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,280
rough. Now, phase two wouldn't exist if

1196
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,680
it weren't for phase one. You know, this

1197
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,880
was very important. We built the

1198
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,440
backbone. We

1199
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,320
uh

1200
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,040
got a lot of things in place. Um

1201
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,000
and that's uh uh

1202
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,280
this was

1203
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,400
I mean, depending on how you look at it

1204
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,360
on payments or or whatever, it's

1205
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,840
anywhere from 185 to 205 million dollars

1206
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,000
of project under that phase. And that's

1207
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,080
the pain point. Okay, so there is there

1208
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520
payments being made every year by all of

1209
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,520
the member cities towards the bonds that

1210
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,920
finance this phase and that was a 33-year

1211
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,080
refinancing from 2008. It was originally

1212
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,000
2004 but

1213
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,520
there was incremental bonds and it ended

1214
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,240
up being refinanced for 33-year

1215
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,560
structure.

1216
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,400
So that ends in 2040.

1217
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,960
The status of those gets better every

1218
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,040
year in the sense that

1219
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,680
uh

1220
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,240
more and more of the debt payment gets

1221
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,400
paid by UTOPIA but the problem is it

1222
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,840
works against us a little in the sense

1223
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,160
that the payments go up every year. Um

1224
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,560
for many years we've been as these

1225
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,280
covering the increase of every year so

1226
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,160
the city's cost to those bonds has

1227
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
stayed flat in the recent history. You

1228
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,840
know, obviously there was times when

1229
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200
paying all of it and then we kind of up

1230
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,760
the amount we were reimbursing back to

1231
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,160
the cities.

1232
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Uh we'll show that a little bit more.

1233
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,760
And then it was about 2008-2009 when UIA

1234
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,400
was created and bonded and about 2/3 of

1235
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,120
the network was built under this for

1236
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,720
these original cities. So even Orem city

1237
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,520
are like, "Hey, we bonded for the

1238
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,200
project back here but most of your

1239
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,680
network and most of the network for all

1240
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,080
the cities was done here and these are

1241
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,880
not being paid for by the cities any of

1242
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,040
the cities. These are all sustainable

1243
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,080
and profitable and paying for

1244
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,320
themselves.

1245
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Um couple accomplishments on the system.

1246
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,200
We are the largest open access network

1247
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,040
in the US and we're now actually the

1248
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,040
largest municipal system in the United

1249
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,800
States. So whether it's open or not open

1250
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
um it's the largest municipal system

1251
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,240
with we're at about 260,000 locations

1252
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,480
and that's

1253
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,920
where we own them or we're at least

1254
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,040
partnered in those. So that would

1255
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,120
include projects like Idaho Falls,

1256
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,280
Yellowstone Fiber. Um you know, you call

1257
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,880
for those for support someone in our

1258
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,600
call center but we get revenue in these

1259
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,160
partnerships and we don't do them unless

1260
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,280
they're financially beneficial to us. We

1261
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,840
have no obligation to serve those

1262
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,000
communities.

1263
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,920
Um but if we can help with our costs uh

1264
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,800
and and bring in some revenue, then we

1265
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,920
do like those partnerships.

1266
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,040
Uh we have the fastest speeds in the

1267
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,280
United States. Oh, I I kind of bolded

1268
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,280
some of the things that have changed

1269
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,720
since the last time I was here. Well,

1270
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,280
that number's gone up, obviously. Um

1271
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,160
this was a 100 gig. We do have 400 gig

1272
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,560
customers now. So, the University of

1273
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,800
Utah has a couple of those from us.

1274
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Um and uh that's probably the fastest

1275
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,240
connection in the state.

1276
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:36,880
Um we also service the state and the

1277
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,560
state data centers and we I mean we do a

1278
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,720
lot of really big things. We're not kind

1279
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,840
of a local small ISP type of thing. We

1280
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,720
are

1281
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,160
uh one of the largest, if not the most

1282
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,440
significant fiber provider in the state.

1283
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Uh it's the most competitive system in

1284
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,000
the United States with 19 different uh

1285
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,560
providers offering services to

1286
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,520
residential customers. We actually have

1287
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,080
other providers doing business, too. So,

1288
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,760
technically, we have like 30 plus

1289
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160
providers, but uh again, this is a

1290
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,600
structure where we're not here to

1291
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,760
compete with the private sector. This is

1292
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,360
a pro private sector thing. The private

1293
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,520
sector loves us. You go talk to the ISPs

1294
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,720
in Utah,

1295
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,400
and they pretty much all use us. Even

1296
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,360
those that are wireless providers that

1297
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,000
aren't listed as one of these providers,

1298
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,240
they buy connectivity from us.

1299
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,040
Uh so, we are powering broadband across

1300
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,000
the state for

1301
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,920
almost everybody.

1302
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,800
No companies that don't like us.

1303
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,720
You can guess who they are, probably.

1304
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,760
Um we've been the number one awardee

1305
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,080
from the school system for last several

1306
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,320
years.

1307
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,040
Each year, we get

1308
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,480
anywhere from 50 to a few hundred new

1309
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,560
circuits. This last year was our best

1310
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,440
one.

1311
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Uh we got about 250 awards. Actually,

1312
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,880
no, it was 280

1313
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,640
uh circuits uh from the high education

1314
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,240
telehealth network

1315
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,400
for the schools. So, we've been very

1316
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,720
busy building those, and those will

1317
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,360
start billing in July. So, we

1318
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,120
future will go up. We'll show you our

1319
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,400
revenue charts.

1320
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,360
Um but that's been a very important

1321
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,240
partnership. Uh,

1322
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,160
we love to service our schools. They get

1323
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,640
a very good price. They don't give us

1324
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,160
business cuz they like us. They give us

1325
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,360
business cuz we are the best price and

1326
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,480
uh, and check all the boxes for

1327
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,680
reliability and service and things like

1328
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,240
that. Um, same time we really like the

1329
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,320
revenue we get from that. They're really

1330
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,760
good partners.

1331
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,280
Uh, we do a lot of other cool stuff like

1332
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,760
air quality sensors and offer detection

1333
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,560
systems and things like that. We have a

1334
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,760
very high uh, Net Promoter Score which

1335
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,560
is a survey that goes out to our

1336
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,880
customers.

1337
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Um, and our Google rating's very high.

1338
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Last I checked that was higher than

1339
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Google Fiber.

1340
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,840
I like to We think

1341
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,000
They're not Google Fiber anymore.

1342
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,480
They're G Fiber. It's been sold to a

1343
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,480
cable company and private equity firm.

1344
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,400
So,

1345
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,760
don't know what their future looks like,

1346
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,680
but it's not with Alphabet.

1347
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,520
Uh, as as a majority owner. I think

1348
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,000
they're still

1349
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,640
majority owner.

1350
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Um,

1351
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Okay, next thing. This is kind of This

1352
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,040
is the landscape. We provide a fiber

1353
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,400
system and all these different

1354
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,200
companies, most of them local companies,

1355
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,560
benefit from this system. So, again,

1356
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,120
this is not something that harms our

1357
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,440
private sector in the Utah in Utah. It's

1358
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,120
something that helps them.

1359
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Uh, our network is the best out there.

1360
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,000
We in fact even other fiber networks

1361
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,680
that use the PON technology where

1362
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,680
everybody shares it. Feel a lot like a

1363
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,040
cable network. If your neighbors are

1364
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,240
hogging the bandwidth, your speed slows

1365
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,640
down. Um,

1366
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,800
you say, "Does that even happen on

1367
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,000
fiber?" Cuz fiber's so fast. Uh, it

1368
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,640
absolutely does. People use a lot more

1369
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,880
broadband now and so, uh, you'll see

1370
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,320
other providers are like, "Yeah, you get

1371
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,240
up to a gigabit or up to this." And at

1372
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,280
10:00 at night when everybody's

1373
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,200
streaming, it doesn't quite get there.

1374
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,080
We have a dedicated connection

1375
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,800
everywhere in the network.

1376
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,160
So, if you have a gigabit, you get a

1377
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,560
gigabit. You have two and a half gig,

1378
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,640
you get two and a half gig. It's 24/7.

1379
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,680
Doesn't matter what your neighbor's

1380
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,680
doing.

1381
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,880
The whole system is built on dedicated

1382
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,480
fiber connectivity to every single

1383
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,840
location.

1384
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Couple of other things, uh

1385
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,360
we have This is relatively new with the

1386
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,360
2.5 gig tier. It's kind of a mid between

1387
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,600
the ultra premium user and the common

1388
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,520
gigabit. We've seen a lot of uptick in

1389
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,200
2.5 gig. Um

1390
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,400
still the most popular is gigabit, uh

1391
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,000
which is cool cuz we have a 250 meg

1392
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,160
option. People aren't picking our

1393
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,200
cheapest option. They want the fire the

1394
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,000
faster speeds. So, it's not just based

1395
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160
on price. Uh demand is increasing for

1396
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,640
faster and faster connectivity. We're

1397
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,240
seeing a good uptick on 2.5 gig. And we

1398
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,320
did lower the price of 10 gig relatively

1399
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,800
recently.

1400
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,720
Okay, quick some charts here. So, this

1401
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,040
is kind of total subscriber base across

1402
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,840
all the UTOPIA cities and the

1403
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,880
partnerships. It's our best year ever,

1404
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,840
over 10,000 subscribers coming on over

1405
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,320
the last year.

1406
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,720
Uh for context, we only have about 82 to

1407
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,840
83,000 subscribers, so 10,000

1408
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,960
is really big growth, right?

1409
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Percentage-wise. This is a very good

1410
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,080
year for us.

1411
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,440
This is by city. And so, each city

1412
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,120
you're going to see they're they're in

1413
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,520
there. Idaho Falls, something in the

1414
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,120
water there, they're doing really well.

1415
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,560
They have less They have less

1416
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,960
competitive options there though, so

1417
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,280
it's really nice. But they've just shot

1418
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,320
up to be uh number one in as far as

1419
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,520
subscribers. Uh Orem is this one right

1420
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,440
here,

1421
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,920
uh this brown one. And you'll see right

1422
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520
here it took a big jump up in the

1423
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,720
summer.

1424
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,280
And that was a result of a door-to-door

1425
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,440
marketing effort.

1426
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,120
So, we did have people doing

1427
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,440
door-to-door. We We call that our light

1428
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,680
touch door-to-door marketing.

1429
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,040
You know, we try not to be like some of

1430
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,760
the other campaigns out there can be

1431
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,120
pretty pushy.

1432
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,720
Um so, we manage that very closely, make

1433
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:32,960
sure, "Hey, this this got to be a

1434
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,640
positive experience. Can't be pushy.

1435
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Can't be bugging people."

1436
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,360
Um

1437
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,600
you know, cuz those complaints, rather

1438
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,520
than just some private companies like,

1439
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,840
"Ah, we don't really care. We just care

1440
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,960
about revenue." Here we do care. We, you

1441
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520
know, we report to you and you report to

1442
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,360
your constituents and you know, we don't

1443
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,200
want them to be upset with any of the

1444
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,400
things that we're doing at UTOPIA.

1445
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Um but it's been received pretty well.

1446
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,240
Um

1447
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,840
generally people are pretty happy to pay

1448
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,280
less for broadband for a better

1449
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,760
connection. So, uh it's gone well, and

1450
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,880
that's going to be picking up again uh

1451
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,950
this summer in the next couple of weeks.

1452
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,880
This is Orem specific. Uh this is

1453
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,760
availability. So, this is where we built

1454
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,040
the network. You say, "Well, we're done.

1455
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Should just stop."

1456
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,240
But even in the city like Orem, we

1457
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,320
continue to see some growth there.

1458
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,280
Through that's redevelopment or still

1459
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,040
finding some pockets where you can put

1460
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,360
some homes in.

1461
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,320
Uh we do continue to expand how many

1462
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,760
people have access to this.

1463
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,400
Uh this is your subscribers on the

1464
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,080
system. So, again, you'll see that bump

1465
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,320
there in the summer sales uh season. We

1466
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,560
hadn't done that before. Uh and that was

1467
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,600
the biggest increase we've had. So, last

1468
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,120
year when we presented Oh, the green

1469
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,160
line is last year's snapshot. So, just

1470
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,200
so you see, we presented

1471
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,400
uh in May last year.

1472
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,680
So, since then, we've had that little

1473
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,320
jump there.

1474
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,760
Last year when we presented, we're

1475
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,480
presenting that we had grown an average

1476
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,600
of 27 customers every month over the

1477
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,080
previous year.

1478
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,760
This year, we're up 45 customers every

1479
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520
month year-over-year on an uh

1480
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,120
average. So, it was a total of 534

1481
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,680
Sorry, 39 customers that come on over

1482
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,440
the last year just in Orem. It's uh

1483
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,080
fantastic. 5.8% growth.

1484
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,880
Uh this is kind of hard to tell cuz we

1485
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,040
have so many customers in the city.

1486
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,880
You stare at it long enough,

1487
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,400
you see some differences.

1488
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,760
But there's another 540 dots on the on

1489
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,160
the right side than there were on the

1490
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,040
left. And it's interesting. I was

1491
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,120
looking at them like, I don't know.

1492
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Whatever reason, right there, there's

1493
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,840
kind of a cluster that came on. I don't

1494
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,400
know what happened there. And it was

1495
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,200
it's definitely denser.

1496
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,880
There's a couple places, but overall, we

1497
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,000
did see them mostly spread across the

1498
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,680
city. Uh and then a bunch of uh business

1499
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,880
type connections. We saw some uh

1500
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,840
churches come online over here and some

1501
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,840
school connections and things like that.

1502
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,680
So,

1503
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,600
um but it's obviously trending in the

1504
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,320
right direction. People really like it.

1505
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,920
Also, something I didn't actually

1506
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,000
observe or make this point. I I got it

1507
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,480
out of Centerville, but they came back

1508
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,040
and made the point and say, "You know,

1509
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,640
this is the most successful service we

1510
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,160
offer as a city

1511
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,920
um because it's it's not like mandatory.

1512
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,760
Like, every single one of these people

1513
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,560
had other options.

1514
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,240
And all of these people chose the

1515
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,560
city-provided service, right?

1516
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,280
And so, when you look at other things

1517
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,560
that that are out there, you know, it's

1518
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,360
like, "Well, how many people in the

1519
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,320
city, you know, went to the rec center?

1520
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,120
How many people went to the the pool or

1521
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,000
the park or the golf course or whatever

1522
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,120
it may be?" It wouldn't look like this,

1523
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,600
right? This is something that's reaching

1524
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,440
a lot of the people in the city and

1525
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,040
they're benefiting from it.

1526
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,640
So, um

1527
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,920
I don't know if that's holds true here,

1528
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,720
but if we would hope that we're the

1529
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,880
most popular voluntary service in the

1530
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,680
city. It's something we would strive to

1531
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,320
do.

1532
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,960
Financially, this is what it's looked

1533
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,960
like. Um this is combined revenue for

1534
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,040
UTOPIA UIA. Remember when we celebrated

1535
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,200
about a million dollars a month in

1536
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,520
revenue and

1537
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,720
we pushed past that to almost 5 and 1/2

1538
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,440
million dollars of of revenue per month.

1539
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Um that's obviously a good thing. This

1540
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,840
is our debt burden basically at UIA on

1541
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,240
these lines.

1542
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,200
And then our revenue at UIA. So, this is

1543
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,400
UIA only. And you see the delta here

1544
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,160
continues to get better.

1545
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Uh so, that's a good thing. That that

1546
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,880
creates revenue that we use to to fund

1547
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,800
those installations. It was a very

1548
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,440
expensive year cuz we had to go connect

1549
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,520
10,000 subscribers, right? Um but we are not increasing the pace of debt

1550
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,960
new debt because we're able to fund more and more of that from that delta,

1551
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,880
while also increasing our payments back

1552
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,360
to the cities.

1553
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,080
Uh so, it's it's great. I want to

1554
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,920
continue to see these trends.

1555
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,040
This is the uh debt service

1556
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,400
uh repayment back to cities. So, this is

1557
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,320
what's posed. We just had our

1558
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,120
preliminary budget uh meetings

1559
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,240
where we show like hey this is what

1560
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:46,960
we're going to do this year.

1561
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,440
What's proposed is to increase

1562
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,800
the amount we pay to cities by 318,000

1563
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
and there's it's about 22% of that I

1564
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,040
think.

1565
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,560
>> 71,000

1566
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,560
>> So it'll go up by 70,000 but that's

1567
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
that would keep the amount the city pays

1568
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,120
flat.

1569
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,800
This was our preliminary budget. We're

1570
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,000
actually looking to modify this a little

1571
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,840
bit and more in favor and add another

1572
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,520
100,000 to this number so it'll bump it

1573
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,200
up a little bit more. It's not approved

1574
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
till we have full budget approval.

1575
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,280
But the real goal of it is actually to

1576
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,520
put us on an more aggressive trajectory,

1577
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,640
right? So over the last

1578
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,720
several years it's been let's hold the

1579
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,400
line on the amount going to back to city

1580
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,760
there what the cities are paying

1581
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,040
even though the debt payments are going

1582
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,200
up.

1583
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,840
So we're going to try to we're going to

1584
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,480
put in place a curve where it's not only

1585
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,480
100,000 this year more but it would be a

1586
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,320
100,000 more every year perpetually.

1587
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,760
Then

1588
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,440
next year we're going to try to do

1589
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,600
better than that. Say okay, now that's

1590
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,360
the standard. Let's try to do 200,000

1591
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,280
and and kind of ramp that down so that

1592
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,280
your payments are getting lower and

1593
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,680
lower but we hesitate to say

1594
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,880
hey it's going to happen that way for

1595
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,000
the next 14 years

1596
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,360
because we are always worried about

1597
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,520
competitive pressures, right? There's

1598
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,560
things in the marketplace of you know,

1599
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,800
here comes AT&T fiber. They just bought

1600
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,000
Lumen which is CenturyLink.

1601
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Are they going to be offering

1602
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,520
services and promotions at a loss just

1603
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,040
to try to compete? You know, there's

1604
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,400
those types of competitive pressures out

1605
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,520
there. Like right now things are going

1606
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,640
really well. So we just hesitate to say

1607
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,680
hey we want to relieve the pressure as much

1608
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,880
as we can.

1609
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,280
We also don't want to find ourselves in

1610
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,520
3 years and say hey you know what, we

1611
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,440
got to roll this step back.

1612
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,920
And really the attitude is once we

1613
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,480
started making these payments back

1614
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,040
uh our in our board meetings we're like,

1615
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,320
"We love this and we hope this stays

1616
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,000
forever, but

1617
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,880
just remember this is always subject to

1618
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,200
availability, right? We have to have and

1619
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,480
preserve those revenues in order to make

1620
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,280
these payments to the cities and if for

1621
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,160
whatever reason it is some market

1622
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,880
disruption, we may not be in that

1623
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,920
position. But we're going to push as

1624
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,320
hard as we can

1625
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,200
to do that and to keep ramping that up

1626
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,670
as well.

1627
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,280
Um so a couple things that's just kind

1628
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,440
of ongoing approval improved financial

1629
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,600
situation, increasing take rates,

1630
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,320
payments have

1631
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,070
The original bond increased every year.

1632
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,080
The amount we're paying comes out to

1633
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,400
nearly 30%

1634
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,200
of because it's a the total payment is

1635
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,120
about $17 million. So we're paying like

1636
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,720
five, whatever it is, then

1637
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,120
we're paying fit $5.2 million of that

1638
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,280
this year.

1639
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,120
And it's going up every year.

1640
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,960
effectively we're paying a

1641
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,760
bigger portion of that.

1642
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,680
On the newer stuff, um

1643
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,280
Oh yeah, this is the the bad one, right?

1644
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,200
The payments for the original bonds are

1645
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,960
still an obligation out there, but as as

1646
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,760
the cities pay that, we're counting that

1647
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,760
as an IOU. So

1648
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,560
in 2040 things get dramatically

1649
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,600
different.

1650
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,560
And we're still charging the same rates

1651
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,240
that we have now or whatever's

1652
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,120
appropriate for that time,

1653
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,240
um suddenly a lot of

1654
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,800
revenue becomes available for payment

1655
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,320
back to cities.

1656
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,160
And the way we're accounting for that is

1657
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,560
that we would pay you back with interest

1658
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,320
all the amounts you've ever paid towards

1659
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,800
the bonds.

1660
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,120
The way we account for it, I think most

1661
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,520
cities are kind of writing it off as

1662
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,680
just an expense. That's probably the

1663
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,560
responsible thing to do.

1664
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,040
Um but we are hoping that in 2040 gets

1665
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,000
uh

1666
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,400
is a very good year

1667
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,600
and many years after that.

1668
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Um I want to make this point here. This

1669
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,680
is based on a study that was done by

1670
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,200
uh it was done mostly on the EPB system,

1671
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,760
which is Chattanooga.

1672
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Um, I guess up until year or two ago,

1673
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,880
they were the largest municipal fiber

1674
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,760
system in the country

1675
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,360
till we surpassed them.

1676
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Um, but anyways, the study was very

1677
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,640
good. It went in there and analyzed all

1678
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,080
sorts of impacts of having this

1679
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,480
municipal fiber system in their city.

1680
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,480
And we said, you know, that's pretty

1681
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,320
applicable to what we do. Not all of it.

1682
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,560
They had a power system that they

1683
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,640
leveraged. Um, but we took the pieces of

1684
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,320
that that were applicable to Utopia

1685
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Fiber in our cities.

1686
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,000
We said, let's see what that

1687
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,240
what those benefits would be scaled and

1688
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,840
made you know, inappropriate for our

1689
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,000
system.

1690
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,520
And we also look at some of our market

1691
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,120
things like Comcast as opposed to their

1692
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,280
competition. But what but the result was

1693
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,760
that we

1694
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,360
This is actually cheating a little bit

1695
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,200
on the conservative side.

1696
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Their point was that the entire market

1697
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,120
rates go down by about $29 per

1698
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,440
household, whether you sign up for the

1699
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,040
system or not. That's the competitive

1700
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,400
impact of having this there.

1701
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,040
Um, we're only counting those that

1702
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,760
signed up for the service.

1703
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,200
But the reality is that people have a

1704
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,040
lower cost Comcast or whatever other

1705
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,080
service they have as a result of us

1706
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,760
being here.

1707
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,920
So, if we just count the ones that we

1708
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,000
have,

1709
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,120
um

1710
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,640
I actually have to update this number

1711
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,520
here. Um

1712
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,040
So, we're actually over 3 million now,

1713
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,720
but that would we're saving the

1714
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
residents of Orem over 3 million dollars

1715
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,560
a year by having this. If you're a

1716
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,880
little bit off on that one. Um

1717
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,360
We're also saving the businesses over a

1718
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,160
million dollars a year. So,

1719
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,440
a lot of things that we're looking at

1720
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,240
um from a city perspective, they're

1721
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,520
important,

1722
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,360
but they've gotten expensive, right? And

1723
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,440
they continue to get expensive. There's

1724
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,400
inflation, there's increased costs,

1725
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,400
whatever it is, and you know, it's not

1726
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,040
unique to Orem. It's

1727
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,600
cities everywhere. Generally, costs are

1728
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,400
going up, but this is a great place that

1729
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,400
we can point to that the what the city

1730
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,680
has done is actually saving the

1731
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,560
residents money.

1732
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Um

1733
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,480
And if you look at the study applied to

1734
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,760
all of UTOPIA over a 10-year period it's

1735
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,240
like, "Hey, this would be like $900

1736
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
million of economic benefit." But based

1737
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,320
on just the size of Orem relative to

1738
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,000
that, you would could point to a $200

1739
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,560
million economic benefit over a 10-year

1740
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,280
period. Obviously, we're into it some

1741
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,720
more than 10 years. We expect it to last

1742
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,400
much more than 10 years.

1743
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,800
Um but the total benefit including all

1744
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,240
the educational benefits and all the

1745
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,880
tie-in smart city functions and just,

1746
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,840
"Hey, this is better cheaper broadband

1747
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,440
for people in their homes."

1748
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,360
There's an enormous benefit uh as a

1749
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,760
result of this this project. So

1750
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,840
anyways, there's a link here uh if you

1751
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,560
ever want to dive into the details and

1752
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,520
how that's substantiated.

1753
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,960
I just like to share that, but anyways,

1754
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,800
that's

1755
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,200
And my number changed, sorry. That's a

1756
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,440
35 now.

1757
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Somebody redid our phone system by the

1758
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,680
Uh any questions?

1759
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,560
>> Sure. And also, do you have any

1760
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,640
questions?

1761
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,880
>> Um I I do want to express appreciation

1762
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,320
for our board members, too. You know,

1763
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,040
it's uh time commitment to

1764
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,600
just being our board members. Last year,

1765
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,480
it was Jeff Lamson and we appreciate his

1766
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,280
service there. And now we have uh Renee

1767
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,320
Millet on the on the board and as and

1768
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,600
Brent's always been on the board. So we

1769
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,640
have two boards. We've got UTOPIA and

1770
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,520
UIA.

1771
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,920
But uh you know, it's something that

1772
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,280
they've got to take time out of their

1773
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,760
schedules to

1774
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,320
attend those meetings and it is

1775
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,240
appreciated and they've been great.

1776
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,600
It's their job to hold our feet to the

1777
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,520
fire, but but uh

1778
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,320
you know, I think they do that in a good

1779
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,800
way and work with other board members to help guide the organization.

1780
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,560
>> I won't take credit. It's not me. It's

1781
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,040
you, Jen.

1782
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,520
>> Yes, and I I I really enjoyed actually

1783
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,560
the meetings and the discussion we've

1784
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,280
had.

1785
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,280
>> So much pressure on Pamela.

1786
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,920
>> Sorry, Jen. That's right.

1787
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,240
>> I'm sorry.

1788
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,000
>> I have three assignments.

1789
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,320
>> So I'm the one who who made the

1790
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,880
assignments.

1791
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,200
>> So many things.

1792
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
>> It's going all kinds of places. So I

1793
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,400
appreciate you stopping.

1794
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,400
>> Yeah. Appreciate all the councils I

1795
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,280
interact with.

1796
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,800
>> Good job, Roger.

1797
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
Um just curious if you're going to

1798
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,080
continue that soft touch approach,

1799
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,600
and have you done that in other cities

1800
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,920
and had as as favorable of response as

1801
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,640
you did here in Orem?

1802
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,920
And will that be an ongoing part of your

1803
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,400
marketing and sales

1804
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,120
>> brand?

1805
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,200
>> Yeah, so we we were pretty hesitant to

1806
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,240
do it. We had done it the first time

1807
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,720
like back in 2010 in Brigham City, and

1808
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,200
it was not so soft of a touch. And there

1809
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,720
was a lot of backlash. A lot of people

1810
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,400
were upset. We had used um

1811
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,360
you know, I don't know, there were

1812
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,960
people tied in with like development

1813
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,960
companies and stuff like that that had

1814
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,400
kind of formed this group, and they just

1815
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,920
were like numbers and sales, and that's

1816
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,680
all we care about. And it it it didn't

1817
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,080
go well, and that kind of burned our

1818
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,760
desire to use that as a tool.

1819
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,920
Um

1820
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,320
over the years we said, you know, this

1821
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,760
if it's done right, this could be great.

1822
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,760
We started it actually we tried doing it

1823
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,000
in Bozeman. We were like, you know, if

1824
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,720
Bozeman gets mad,

1825
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,280
it doesn't hurt us. But if it goes well,

1826
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,080
it's a great partnership, right? So we

1827
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,040
actually started using these teams, and

1828
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,960
they were Utah-based teams in Bozeman to

1829
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,280
see if we could do this without

1830
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,160
generating conflicts and things that are complaints. And it went really well,

1831
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,800
you know, boosted sales dramatically,

1832
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,720
and you know, we went back to the city

1833
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,600
and said, you know, what do you how do

1834
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,120
you feel about this? And they were like,

1835
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,120
we haven't heard a word. It was great.

1836
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,480
So we used that same team and started

1837
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,160
doing it in Utah, and and there was

1838
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,040
still RFP process for all of that, too,

1839
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,440
but uh this team is leveraged

1840
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,560
primarily uh sales people based out in

1841
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,240
this area, Orem and Provo, uh are the

1842
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,040
ones going across all the other cities,

1843
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,440
and we just

1844
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,400
it's working great. We're managing it

1845
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,160
well as far as complaints. We've had to fire a couple people off their team.

1846
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,840
I mean, we have that ability in our

1847
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,280
contract to say, "Hey, too many

1848
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,560
complaints. This guy's too pushy. He's

1849
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,400
off." And uh uh

1850
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,440
you know, we we've done that pretty

1851
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,240
tightly and it's worked out really well.

1852
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,880
So, yes, we're planning to continue that

1853
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,920
and and uh

1854
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,120
we're starting up in the next couple of

1855
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,160
weeks uh here.

1856
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,160
Maybe even sooner. It's We get most of

1857
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,080
them right after graduation cuz most of

1858
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,400
them are college kids.

1859
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,560
>> If this came to my house, so

1860
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:39,960
>> They're good.

1861
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,480
>> They were they were great.

1862
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,040
>> Well, tell me how to sign up for this.

1863
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,440
>> I haven't yet because I haven't had time

1864
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,320
to do all the other parts to it, so

1865
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,150
I can't say. Come back in another month.

1866
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,280
» Now, uh

1867
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,600
can you estimate what the average

1868
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,920
homeowner, let's say who does the 1 gig

1869
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,880
plan, is paying

1870
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,080
for them?

1871
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,080
Um and I'm also curious as to

1872
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,920
what your

1873
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,600
uh

1874
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,280
what your percent rate of people who

1875
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,520
might leave the service in a given year

1876
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,440
is. Obviously, you're growing

1877
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,800
as a whole, but I'm wondering how many

1878
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,160
people leave the service annually.

1879
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,720
>> Yeah, those are good questions. Um so,

1880
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,920
our gigabit pricing is variable based on

1881
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,120
which provider you pick, but it's about

1882
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,600
70 to 80 dollars. It's in that range

1883
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,720
depending on who you pick. You pay

1884
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,000
Utopia fee and a provider fee together.

1885
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,240
It's about 70-ish dollars. And And so,

1886
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,080
why would one person choose one of your

1887
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,880
19 providers over another one?

1888
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,440
Um lots of reasons. In fact, our most

1889
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,520
popular provider is actually our most

1890
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,560
expensive. Um

1891
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,080
so uh

1892
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,360
you know, they do what they can to

1893
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,040
differentiate. Uh so, some of them

1894
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,360
target like gaming and latency and

1895
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,680
peerings with with the different gaming

1896
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,360
servers, right? The gamers are like, "I

1897
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,200
I need the lowest ping for this gaming

1898
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,320
server" or whatever. Uh others are more

1899
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,360
like, "Hey, we'll help you more with the

1900
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,840
kind of a white glove installation.

1901
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,080
We'll have a managed router in your

1902
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,480
house so we can help troubleshoot

1903
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,560
in-home issues." Uh some of them

1904
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,880
differentiate based on having a cable TV

1905
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,360
option that they offer uh or phone

1906
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,880
services. We've got one that's launching

1907
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,240
uh mobile phone bundle, so your cellular

1908
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,320
phone is bundled in with their billing.

1909
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,760
Um So, it's kind of that sort of stuff,

1910
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,280
and then different promotions. Some of

1911
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,400
them will say, "Hey, when you sign up,

1912
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,600
you get a couple months free."

1913
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,920
Uh one of them does a gift card. Um

1914
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,520
They'll do like a free Apple TV,

1915
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,840
something like that. So,

1916
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,600
>> vision of the same.

1917
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:36,920
>> Uh

1918
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,560
It's So, so we provide a connection from

1919
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,640
the house to usually a data center where

1920
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,280
that service provider meets us. Now,

1921
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,160
how they handle their internet traffic

1922
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,000
from there can be dramatically

1923
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,960
different, and the features they offer

1924
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,400
you can be different. And sometimes they

1925
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,600
matter to people, and sometimes they

1926
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,200
don't. So, some people are like, "I need

1927
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,960
to have an IPv6, or I need it I I need

1928
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,600
IPv4 address." And some people are like,

1929
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,600
"I don't even know what that means."

1930
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:06,520
Uh

1931
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,800
doesn't matter to them. But, if somebody

1932
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,400
wants their own IP address, and and and

1933
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,120
then you can even have it static IP

1934
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,600
address versus a dynamic address. Like,

1935
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,280
some providers offer those services, and

1936
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,440
others don't. Um if you don't care about

1937
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,800
any of that stuff, then you usually just

1938
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,520
kind of pick low price.

1939
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:22,440
Um

1940
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,960
others pick like, "Hey, they're

1941
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,120
sponsoring the you know, they got their

1942
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,480
ad at the local baseball game, or the

1943
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,520
school, or whatever." And they they pick

1944
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080
up customers based on sponsorships, uh

1945
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,320
cuz they can see that there's local

1946
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,920
benefit.

1947
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,920
Um one of them just started advertising

1948
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,960
at Utah Mammoth games.

1949
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,480
Um so, you know, like, "Oh, I recognize

1950
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,000
that that logo, right?" So, things like

1951
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,240
that. You'll also see on Facebook, you

1952
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,880
know, you and and even on the Orem

1953
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,400
group, you'll see people like, "Hey, uh

1954
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,240
which provider should I pick?" And you

1955
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,480
see right there, people are like, "Oh, I

1956
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,760
love these guys. They've been awesome. I

1957
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,160
had them for 10 years. Never had an

1958
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,400
outage, whatever." Maybe, you know,

1959
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,520
stuff like that. That helps a lot. So,

1960
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,400
recommendations from other people.

1961
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,000
But, yeah, I we always wonder like, it's

1962
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,320
pretty cool that it isn't just cost. And not even that that's like the

1963
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,880
driving factor and there's ability to

1964
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,800
differentiate. It's the differentiated

1965
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,120
ones have actually been more successful.

1966
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,640
And and

1967
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,040
the higher priced I mean it was

1968
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,320
obviously looking up on a website. So

1969
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,800
XMission has the highest price. They are

1970
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,800
the largest provider by number of

1971
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,760
subscribers on the system. So.

1972
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,080
>> And then quit rate?

1973
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:28,680
>> What's that?

1974
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,120
>> Quit rate, people who leave your service

1975
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:31,640
annually.

1976
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,360
>> Oh. Yeah, so our churn rate

1977
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,520
we're it's gone up just a little bit. Uh

1978
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,840
we were pretty steady at about 3 to 3

1979
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,520
and 1/2% annually.

1980
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,640
In this last couple years it's gone up

1981
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,240
to about 4 and 1/2 to 5%. Um There you

1982
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,320
know we're just seeing a lot more

1983
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,840
competition and promotions from like the

1984
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,680
wireless bundles and things like that

1985
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,280
cuz you can get like a T-Mobile hotspot

1986
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,840
type service or I mean it's it's more

1987
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,200
than a hotspot. It's their fixed

1988
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,960
wireless. So they're running a totally

1989
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,120
separate network from the cell towers.

1990
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,880
Uh that's a fixed wireless product and

1991
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,560
it works in some locations and doesn't

1992
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,240
in others. Slows down during peak. But

1993
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,640
they're marketing it very heavily.

1994
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Doing bundles

1995
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,520
that are pretty

1996
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,520
enticing. So we have we were losing

1997
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,759
customers to that occasionally.

1998
01:08:22,759 --> 01:08:24,400
We usually get them back if they have a

1999
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,640
bad experience. Um does affect our our

2000
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,080
churn rate.

2001
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,759
Uh now the charts I showed when I said

2002
01:08:30,759 --> 01:08:33,920
10,000 customers that's net growth. So

2003
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,600
you know we probably signed up closer to

2004
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,600
12,000 but you know lost a couple

2005
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,710
thousand through churn.

2006
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,839
» Well thank thank you.

2007
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:47,960
This is I I'm

2008
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:48,600
>> Well.

2009
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,120
>> I've been the one who was who was who's

2010
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,880
been

2011
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,279
back when I was on the council was

2012
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,319
involved and heavily involved in UTOPIA.

2013
01:08:55,319 --> 01:09:01,440
In the beginning it's good to see these things happening.

2014
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:04,080
>> Yeah, I get that. The early phase was a

2015
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,680
little rough, but

2016
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,040
we wouldn't have the current phase if it

2017
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,000
weren't for that phase. So,

2018
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,759
it was the right decision. It just

2019
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:13,880
took some patience.

2020
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,680
>> How long is this my haircut?

2021
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,080
Thank you. Appreciate you coming, Roger.

2022
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,920
>> See you.

2023
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,920
>> All right, our next presentation

2024
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,400
is Fred Bilotta from

2025
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,080
LRB

2026
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,480
talking about our general fund

2027
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:31,960
sustainability study follow-up. And so,

2028
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,240
it looks like we've got 20 minutes, 10

2029
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:42,150
minutes presentation, 10 minutes Q&A.

2030
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:47,190
» See if this refreshes the room.

2031
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,440
Let's go over here and see.

2032
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,000
He did Laura the last time

2033
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,789
connecting on this.

2034
01:09:53,799 --> 01:09:55,960
Get on.

2035
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,960
So, main console, we also have Laura

2036
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,120
here.

2037
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,280
>> Was Laura here? Somewhere?

2038
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,440
>> No, I'm only here on screen.

2039
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,000
>> Oh, hello, Laura.

2040
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,520
>> And that's cuz I messed up and didn't

2041
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:07,880
put the meeting in my calendar. I was

2042
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,400
like, I'm running I'm running a little

2043
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,840
bit late. He sent me a text. I'm like,

2044
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,480
uh-oh, you're not as late as me.

2045
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:14,960
So, thank you.

2046
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,240
>> We'll remember that.

2047
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,560
>> Yeah, and thanks for getting another

2048
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,560
system to get me online.

2049
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:20,960
Thank you.

2050
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,560
>> They came before and talked about the

2051
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,960
sustainability plan and we gave some

2052
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,520
direction, and now we welcome you back

2053
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,600
to your information.

2054
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,840
>> Yes, thank you. Uh so, I thought I'd

2055
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,040
refresh on what we're what we're here

2056
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,280
for.

2057
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,360
Um

2058
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,120
we've been working with staff on the

2059
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,840
sustainability model and developing

2060
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,440
um a pro forma that allows us to make

2061
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:43,880
projections.

2062
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,200
And

2063
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,160
a tool that's very flexible and allows

2064
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,280
us to

2065
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,640
change those assumptions and see what

2066
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,160
happens. The intent being

2067
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,960
uh establishing fiscal policies relative

2068
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,760
to the general fund.

2069
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:58,760
Um

2070
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,440
the objective here is to have a model

2071
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:02,960
that can be reviewed on an annual basis.

2072
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,400
So, we're not suggesting that this is

2073
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,120
something you're kind of one and done.

2074
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,440
Uh it's also not necessary that LRB

2075
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,680
involved involved in every step of that

2076
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,480
process, but we at least have a tool

2077
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:15,880
that the city can use to evaluate

2078
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,960
sustainability and

2079
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,480
uh also evaluate decisions that you have

2080
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,040
through you.

2081
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,280
Um

2082
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,640
one element that uh

2083
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,240
the uh can consider, which uh you're

2084
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,080
looking at, which is property tax

2085
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,600
increases and

2086
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,960
a potential uh

2087
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,080
small increase relative to uh your your

2088
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,720
property tax.

2089
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,760
So, as we look at that um and evaluate

2090
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,800
that in the context of the model,

2091
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,040
essentially what we can do is again look

2092
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,360
at trends and see the impact of that uh

2093
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,880
relative to the benchmarks that we're

2094
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,080
looking at, your uh cash reserves.

2095
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,120
Um

2096
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,920
and as again, uh measure the the impact

2097
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,720
of that. And in this case, as we look at

2098
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,080
a potential 7% increase,

2099
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,000
while important, it won't have a huge

2100
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000
impact on long-term sustainability

2101
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,400
relative to the charts that I showed you

2102
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,920
in previous

2103
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,880
uh

2104
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,760
discussions and I'll I'll follow up here

2105
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,320
with you.

2106
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,520
>> Yeah, I just want to clarify this 7%

2107
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,800
we're talking about a farm's portion.

2108
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:18,880
>> Yes.

2109
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,280
>> of property tax.

2110
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:20,720
>> Yes.

2111
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,680
>> So, it's not one's entire property tax

2112
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:23,080
bill.

2113
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:23,440
>> Correct.

2114
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,120
>> Yeah, right?

2115
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,080
>> Yes, yep and that that percentage, while

2116
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,080
it's 7% of your the municipal tax levy,

2117
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,600
it would be a much smaller percentage

2118
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,000
when you look at the overall property

2119
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,560
tax bill of an individual because you're

2120
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,560
you know, 10% of the total tax bill

2121
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,000
when it comes to property taxes.

2122
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,880
But, what this does do is it it allows

2123
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,880
uh you to start looking at again impacts

2124
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,800
and establishing a a policy that you can

2125
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,240
perpetuate moving forward.

2126
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,800
Uh the objective there is to ensure that

2127
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,040
your revenue streams address,

2128
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,680
um,

2129
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,840
cost changes over time, recognizing that

2130
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,520
those costs rarely decrease,

2131
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:02,560
um,

2132
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,600
unless their level of service changes,

2133
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,080
meaning you opt to change the level of

2134
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,280
service that you provide and minimize

2135
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,960
that, then that's typically where we see

2136
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,800
cost decrease.

2137
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,280
Uh, however, inflation, uh, will affect

2138
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,720
you just just like anybody else.

2139
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,320
Uh,

2140
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,320
this I wanted to remind you again that

2141
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,960
the idea of your buying power over time,

2142
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,320
uh, showing you what your tax levy as

2143
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:27,920
percent of the total tax bill was in

2144
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,000
2005 versus 2025.

2145
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,560
You've gone from 17% of the total in

2146
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,120
2005 down to 9% of the total tax bill,

2147
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,440
speaking to that idea of municipal levy

2148
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:40,440
is only a small percentage of the total

2149
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:42,520
tax bill.

2150
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,520
Um,

2151
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,560
this is purely a percentage, a percent

2152
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,920
of total comparison. In reality, every

2153
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,200
entity provides a specific level of

2154
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,040
service that will adjust according to

2155
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,920
their needs.

2156
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,680
But, it does reflect, uh,

2157
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,840
again, your piece of the pie, showing

2158
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,000
that the property tax or that Orem

2159
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,520
assesses has not kept pace with other

2160
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,240
entities as they have raised the

2161
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,990
property tax levy.

2162
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,520
Already, um,

2163
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,160
here are the assumptions that we've used

2164
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,760
in the model. I wanted to highlight this

2165
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,680
and really focus on, um,

2166
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,240
this line item here. This uh, second to

2167
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,880
the top, um,

2168
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,320
you know, what what we're proposing in

2169
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,880
the model, which is a 3% increase in

2170
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,000
your sales tax revenue.

2171
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Um,

2172
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,640
and then we have uh, some growth in some

2173
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,880
other areas, but primarily we're keeping

2174
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,360
revenues constant other than the sales

2175
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,240
tax revenue growth.

2176
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,560
Right now, the model that we've been

2177
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,480
working on does not propose any property

2178
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:45,360
tax increases, um, just showing, uh,

2179
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,320
you know, then happens if we have

2180
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,320
natural growth in our revenue stream?

2181
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,600
Now, there is I do want to remind you

2182
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,240
that there is growth in your property

2183
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,520
tax base as it relates to new growth on

2184
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,080
and your system, new brick and mortar

2185
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,480
essentially.

2186
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,720
But that's a very small component of

2187
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,600
Orem City's property tax, which is a

2188
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,480
small component of your overall revenue.

2189
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:07,640
So, it's

2190
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,360
a small piece of a small thing.

2191
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,000
Um

2192
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,680
uh down here at the bottom, the colored

2193
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,280
areas in blue and light blue, those are

2194
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,520
our assumptions relative to inflation,

2195
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,080
inflationary pressure on the general

2196
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,160
fund. So, you can see these percentages

2197
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,080
are much higher. We have some

2198
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:25,840
um

2199
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,280
growing at 10%.

2200
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,760
Uh our public safety, um which we do see

2201
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,880
pressure in public safety,

2202
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,480
that those expenses often grow at a

2203
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:38,320
higher rate due to um market factors and

2204
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,040
competition.

2205
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,120
Um

2206
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,400
our general growth, we're looking at uh

2207
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,520
somewhere between 3% and 4% growth and

2208
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,920
just general inflationary pressure,

2209
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,240
which, as we've all felt recently, um

2210
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:52,680
that really depends, right, on the

2211
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,560
market and national

2212
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,360
uh or other environmental factors.

2213
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,720
Uh so, that could that could go much

2214
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,760
higher, right, relative to those

2215
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,280
assumptions. But we do have some

2216
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,440
inflation

2217
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,320
inflationary pressure

2218
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,360
brought in.

2219
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,800
Um this gives you an idea of the of the

2220
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,440
trends that um the general fund has

2221
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,160
experienced. I have highlighted the

2222
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,640
sales tax since that's our uh

2223
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,680
a critical component in this evaluation.

2224
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,480
Historically, from 2019 to 2024, actual

2225
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:25,200
sales tax revenues grew at slightly

2226
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,360
above 6%. Our model is assuming 3%.

2227
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,400
Uh the caveat there is when you look at

2228
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,920
the last 2 years, '23 and '24, '25

2229
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,120
actuals, you're actually seeing hardly

2230
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,680
any growth in sales tax revenues. It's

2231
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,080
plateaued and stabilized.

2232
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,560
Uh so, 3% could be aggressive with

2233
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,120
regards to growth and revenue. Meaning

2234
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,840
if you don't get that, then we're in a

2235
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,000
worse situation than what our model

2236
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,680
shows.

2237
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,120
Overall, revenue is growing at a little

2238
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,560
under 2%. We believe had a little bit

2239
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,960
higher, but that that will fluctuate

2240
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,640
based on grants and our revenue those

2241
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,560
types of things.

2242
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,160
Uh, with regards to expense, we have a

2243
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,960
little bit higher expense growth than

2244
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,320
2019 to 2024 at 6.41%

2245
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,520
versus a little over 5% historically.

2246
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,760
This has to do with again discussing

2247
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,160
with departments what you need and what

2248
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,760
new

2249
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,400
inflationary pressures might there be

2250
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,000
relative to some of these expense line

2251
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,040
items and so forth and account for that.

2252
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,680
Um, and then try to show

2253
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,640
uh, your need. For example, that public

2254
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,520
safety bucket of saying what do we think

2255
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,640
we really need program there recognizing

2256
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,400
that historically

2257
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,440
uh, you've done a very good job at

2258
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,960
rolling and trying to minimize

2259
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,040
inflationary pressure, but

2260
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,720
that will eventually

2261
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,400
undo that little something.

2262
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,360
All righty, so we showed this uh, the

2263
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,920
unrestricted general fund balance under

2264
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:52,880
our

2265
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,080
all-inclusive scenario

2266
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,480
um, versus a scenario where we took out

2267
01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:58,800
some of our one-time expenses

2268
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,560
essentially showing

2269
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,240
this this is not possible. We we cannot

2270
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,640
survive on 3% sales tax revenue, no new

2271
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,640
property tax, and fund everything we

2272
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,920
want to fund.

2273
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,960
Uh, so that's that's not really doable.

2274
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,480
All righty, so I I did want to give an

2275
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:16,320
opportunity to kind of look at the model

2276
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,800
and play around with

2277
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,360
at least one scenario to show you

2278
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,280
uh, how you as a community could maybe

2279
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:25,240
um,

2280
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,360
not engage in property tax policy and

2281
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,400
still maintain your fund balance which

2282
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,360
may not be possible, but

2283
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,560
let's uh,

2284
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,520
let's go into the model.

2285
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,560
So, this is a lot of numbers, right? Uh

2286
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,800
so, I'll make it bigger.

2287
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,920
>> Thank you. I mean, you can't read.

2288
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,440
>> Um

2289
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:49,720
And the numbers, I mean, obviously are

2290
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,240
important, but there's so many here that

2291
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,640
we don't want to get lost in the

2292
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,120
in all this

2293
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,960
uh this junk here on the spreadsheet. Um

2294
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:02,080
But, there are there elements that I can

2295
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,920
control, right? I can turn on and off

2296
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,680
scenarios that we could say, "Okay, what

2297
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,240
happens if

2298
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,760
And in our discussions uh with staff, we

2299
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:11,920
said, "Okay, what happens if you just

2300
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,520
turn everything off? Let's Let's turn it

2301
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,120
all off and see what happens, but keep

2302
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,480
in that 3% sales tax." So, I have

2303
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:19,640
triggers here that say, "These are our

2304
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,680
one-time expenses

2305
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,800
um and our new O&M that we've said,

2306
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,000
'Hey, these are things that we think we

2307
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,800
need to to maintain our level of

2308
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,960
service, but let's turn all that off.

2309
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,200
Say, 'Okay, we're not going to fund any

2310
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,400
of that.'

2311
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,360
And what happens to our pro forma?"

2312
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,320
So, that helps, right? So, you saw the

2313
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,040
charges shifted and we got back to this

2314
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,600
green line,

2315
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,880
but we're not uh we're not preserving

2316
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,040
our fund balance. And what this

2317
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,960
represents is our unrestricted general

2318
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,320
fund balance

2319
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,440
um trying to keep that at about $20

2320
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:49,760
million

2321
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,920
uh where where you're at now.

2322
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,920
Um so,

2323
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,840
uh turning off those requests doesn't

2324
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,560
achieve what we

2325
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,400
uh what we'd hoped, which is keeping us

2326
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,200
stable. Now, we go into our uh other

2327
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,880
assumptions in this model. So, one area

2328
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,360
that we could look at is say, "Well,

2329
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,000
what if

2330
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,520
um

2331
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,640
Here, I look at those uh those

2332
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,120
assumptions, right? That were on that

2333
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,440
slide relative to inflation.

2334
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,960
Let's say I turn all of those off and

2335
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,560
say, "Well, we're going to We're going

2336
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,160
to be really efficient and whatever it

2337
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,680
is, technology, artificial intelligence,

2338
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,120
whatever we plug in there for our

2339
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,080
efficiency tool, that's going to make it

2340
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,800
so we don't have

2341
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,560
uh growth and expense. While we may

2342
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,560
experience inflation, efficiency helps

2343
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,320
mitigate to that and keeps our costs the

2344
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:40,560
same.

2345
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,440
So, if I turn all of that off, that

2346
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:43,760
that's a pretty big assumption, right?

2347
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,760
Turn all of that off, what happens to

2348
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,600
our sustainability model? And there you

2349
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,240
can see, yes, we actually we can

2350
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,400
keep our fund balance, maybe maybe even

2351
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,080
produce a little bit

2352
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,800
surplus because our expenses aren't

2353
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,160
growing. So,

2354
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,360
essentially, that 3% can uh save the day

2355
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,160
if we have no inflationary pressure and

2356
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:09,720
no requests, no one-time requests, no um

2357
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,160
uh ongoing uh level of service requests.

2358
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,240
So,

2359
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,080
that that gives me some, you know,

2360
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,920
context, right? Our bookend to this

2361
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,320
analysis to say, well, is that possible?

2362
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,800
Do we really think that we could keep

2363
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,400
our expenses that that controlled? In

2364
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:25,840
the short term, maybe, right? When we

2365
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,280
look at budgeting, we can say, "Hey,

2366
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,440
this year we have to tighten our belt.

2367
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:31,440
We're not going to have any new growth

2368
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,240
in an expense." But, over 5 years, is

2369
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,320
that is that possible? And, you know, my thought is no, that would not be

2370
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,600
possible to to try to achieve that.

2371
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,520
So, let's turn those back on.

2372
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,200
They're okay, let's keep our inflation.

2373
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,040
We have some trouble there. Uh what if

2374
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,920
we assume that 6% growth in sales tax

2375
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,760
revenue? Say, "Okay, we're going to rely on that, what we

2376
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,040
experienced in the past, and put that 6%

2377
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,800
growth back in there."

2378
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,480
you can see it helps, right? That

2379
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,400
is

2380
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,520
uh putting us in a better position,

2381
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,600
meaning that our negative is not as

2382
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,840
negative as before.

2383
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:11,920
Um

2384
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,000
but that that's not enough, either,

2385
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,800
right? So,

2386
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,280
at the end of the day, um we're not telling you what you have to

2387
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,000
do, or um

2388
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,240
uh you know, we can't force

2389
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,800
municipalities to to to make change.

2390
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,360
But, what it does help me understand is

2391
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,560
uh what we need to do relative to all of

2392
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,600
the tools that we have in front of us.

2393
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,240
So, efficiency, yes, we need to do we

2394
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,920
need to look at efficiency and how do we

2395
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,640
control our expenditure increase?

2396
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,040
Looking at economic development and pro-

2397
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,920
promoting that as a potential tool

2398
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,600
because that generates sales tax

2399
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,280
revenues that the general fund relies

2400
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,280
on. So, yes, we need to do that.

2401
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,280
But even with sales tax revenue growth

2402
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,920
and inflation, we still have some some

2403
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,000
substantial pressure. So, it leads me

2404
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,480
back to that discussion of property tax

2405
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,760
and what sort of policy do we we put in

2406
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:02,840
place

2407
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,240
to actively manipulate that revenue

2408
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:06,280
stream.

2409
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,360
Recognizing that it's not the lion's

2410
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,760
share of your revenue, right? We're

2411
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,680
talking about controlling a portion of

2412
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,760
your revenue stream that is a smaller

2413
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,160
percentage of the overall total. So, if

2414
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,200
we were to try to mitigate this funding

2415
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,160
gap with property tax alone, we would be

2416
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,880
talking about

2417
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,160
ginormous percentages, right? And that's

2418
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,200
not what we're what we're recommending

2419
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,640
here. What we're looking at is saying,

2420
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:30,800
"How do we

2421
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,760
think about this on an annual basis and

2422
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,640
take

2423
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,720
a proactive approach?"

2424
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,800
I also wanted to just show you that the

2425
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,520
model is interactive like that, right?

2426
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,240
We can go through in here and make

2427
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,520
assumptions, change those assumptions,

2428
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,520
see what happens so that we can isolate

2429
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,560
um

2430
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,760
what do we want to do? What are the

2431
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,360
policy decisions we want to make as a

2432
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,760
council as we look toward the future.

2433
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,880
So, jumping back here,

2434
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,440
uh

2435
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:02,120
Again, what we want to do and what we're

2436
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,600
recommending is taking that proactive

2437
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,920
approach relative to your model, your

2438
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,960
general fund, and the revenue streams

2439
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,720
within that model.

2440
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,200
Bonding may be an option, right? As we

2441
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,600
look at one-time expenses,

2442
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:17,880
uh maintaining a level of service from a

2443
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,640
capital perspective, that you might use

2444
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,120
that tool strategically relative to

2445
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,120
amortizing cost over a longer period of

2446
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,840
time rather than having that upfront

2447
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,560
cost that that has to have tax policy

2448
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,600
mitigate that. So, looking at bonding um

2449
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,280
in reality the general fund analysis

2450
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,640
didn't have a huge amount of um

2451
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,000
one-time capital investment, but there could be components of that that

2452
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,400
could be uh

2453
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,320
utilize bonding.

2454
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,840
And then I highlighted this last in our

2455
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,120
last discussion, but looking at all

2456
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,400
alternative revenue uh resources

2457
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,880
uh so, all of your fee uh uh the fee

2458
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,640
that you assess should be backed up with

2459
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,520
studies and those should be updated on a

2460
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,080
regular basis.

2461
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,880
New revenue sources the model does

2462
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,600
include an an

2463
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:07,840
uh an assumption relative to the

2464
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,960
transportation utility fee

2465
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,240
uh starting at 250,000 growing to

2466
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,800
500,000. But, even with that you'd see

2467
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:19,880
if we still have a need, right? So, it's that proactive approach the general

2468
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,640
fund that that is our big takeaway and

2469
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,600
what we're recommending is is keeping on

2470
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,720
top of the fund.

2471
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,680
We also wanted to highlight a community

2472
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:33,040
that has done this approach. Um so, uh

2473
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,480
you're not the first to look at the

2474
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,440
general fund from this perspective nor

2475
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:38,760
will you be the last, but you are

2476
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,480
um one of uh a few communities across

2477
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:43,000
the state that are proactively

2478
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,080
addressing the general fund.

2479
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,560
West Valley City uh this year adopted a

2480
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,160
policy based on this type of evaluation

2481
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,200
and analysis that essentially ensures

2482
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,040
that uh there's a framework to take

2483
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,920
action. Now, it's non-binding, so their

2484
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,600
resolution doesn't bind future councils,

2485
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,480
but it establishes a framework for them

2486
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:05,760
to continue to perpetuate that that

2487
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,880
action.

2488
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,320
Essentially, their tax policy is is governed by

2489
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,040
inflation indices that they say we're

2490
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,600
going to adjust our uh property tax rate

2491
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,640
uh based on those indices, whichever

2492
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,400
they feel is appropriate. They have some

2493
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,720
guardrails in there. They're um

2494
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,240
uh resolution that uh suggests uh

2495
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,200
maximums that that they uh don't allow

2496
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,560
their property tax levy to increase uh

2497
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,440
at a certain percentage.

2498
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:36,920
Um it preserves the discretion of the

2499
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,800
council, so it it doesn't take away any

2500
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,480
of that. Um and it has requirements

2501
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:44,880
relative to truth in taxation. Yes. MCI

2502
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,960
That's municipal cost index.

2503
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,200
Uh and the consumer price index. So,

2504
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,560
those are two standard uh indices that

2505
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,040
are utilized to capture inflation

2506
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,120
changes. Those are national statistics.

2507
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:58,640
There are other indices that I've seen

2508
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,640
used. Um there's a Western Region CPI

2509
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,880
consumer price index that uh captures

2510
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,880
more of

2511
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,400
uh Intermountain states, and that does

2512
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,840
differ um

2513
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,240
compared to a national CPI.

2514
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,160
But, the concept here is saying, "Let's

2515
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,240
establish a resolution or policy that

2516
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,160
our tax rate will adjust to account for

2517
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,440
inflation at a minimum." And that's

2518
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:22,000
again what we're trying to look at,

2519
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,600
right? Is there's this pressure of

2520
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,160
inflation

2521
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,680
on your general fund that is not

2522
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,000
addressed in the truth in taxation

2523
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,600
process in your certified tax rate

2524
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:32,960
calculation.

2525
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,600
So, uh West Valley City uh opted to

2526
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,760
remedy that by creating this resolution,

2527
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,440
and others are exploring that. Uh we've

2528
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:43,600
seen it more commonly on utility rates

2529
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,960
uh because there's a little bit of you

2530
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,040
know, less political pressure

2531
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,160
essentially on those and and a direct

2532
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,320
connection between revenue and expense,

2533
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:52,400
but

2534
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,560
um

2535
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,440
but we're seeing now that spillover

2536
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,800
general fund elements.

2537
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,040
Already.

2538
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:00,600
Uh uh

2539
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,400
I did have have some additional uh

2540
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,520
information here relative to um

2541
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,720
resolution language and those caps. So,

2542
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,720
if the CPI increases less than 3%, the

2543
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,640
adjust adjustment shall be limited to

2544
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,200
the actual CPI percentage. So it says

2545
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,440
if we only have one account

2546
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,760
and if we have a 3% target every year,

2547
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,640
let's adopt the lower of that. But we're

2548
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,600
capping it at that 3%.

2549
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,880
That can be dangerous, right? Because in

2550
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,360
some years we've experienced

2551
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,320
a 20% inflationary pressure.

2552
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,640
Sometimes that's just on a component of

2553
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,960
expense like construction costs. So I

2554
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,160
saw those indices at a much higher rate.

2555
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,360
But there's ways to massage that, right?

2556
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,520
In the resolution to ensure that there's

2557
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,360
guardrails on that.

2558
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,080
Preserve the intent while allowing

2559
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,560
continued dialogue as it relates to

2560
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,670
truth and taxation.

2561
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:55,680
All righty.

2562
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Uh

2563
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,240
Try to get through that question.

2564
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:04,560
>> Yes. You go back to the first graph that if we did not do any changes

2565
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,320
that one.

2566
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,400
All right. I just want to point out this

2567
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,880
is something I

2568
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,640
thinking a lot about this as we've

2569
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,800
talked about some of these items because

2570
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,040
when I was on the first on the city

2571
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,520
council, I was 36 years old.

2572
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,000
And I'm not 36 anymore.

2573
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:21,560
Um

2574
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,120
but but it seemed like when we would see

2575
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,880
this happen, we thought oh this is going

2576
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,200
to happen

2577
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,720
later. Later later. And as I look at

2578
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,400
this council, there are at least four of

2579
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:33,600
us

2580
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,720
who will be on the city council when

2581
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,360
those dip below into the negative.

2582
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,440
We don't do anything. I just wanted to

2583
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:46,520
point that out. That that that the time

2584
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:47,800
is

2585
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,840
I think the time's come where we'll be

2586
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,240
fast approaching where where we're we're

2587
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,120
going to be involved in a in in some

2588
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,080
pretty tough decisions. And so

2589
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,080
anyway, I just wanted to make

2590
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,080
everybody's day brighter that way.

2591
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:03,400
>> So oh go ahead.

2592
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,000
>> Well, I can also just to me the big

2593
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,960
takeaway is

2594
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,470
um

2595
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,440
This is This is a dynamic model. We are

2596
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,200
trying to like look into the future. I

2597
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,800
get that we don't have a perfect crystal

2598
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,760
ball. But, what I am seeing is in order

2599
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,760
to be sustainable over time, we need a

2600
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,120
multi-pronged approach, not only in any

2601
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,040
given year to multiple uh

2602
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,360
sources, but also over time each and

2603
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,560
every year should look at this.

2604
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:36,120
Uh

2605
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:41,520
so, I think that the solution is

2606
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,120
multiyear and

2607
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,240
revenue, and you shouldn't turn a blind

2608
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:50,080
eye to any one revenue source or any one

2609
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,040
year.

2610
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,480
>> Yeah, I was in a discussion with uh

2611
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:57,200
water entity in Oregon.

2612
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,320
We're discussing efficiency and

2613
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,160
rates, and uh the the challenges

2614
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:05,920
associated with that. And

2615
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,200
the element that we discussed and and

2616
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,160
tried to bring home is municipalities

2617
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,400
are not like private entities where if

2618
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:13,400
we

2619
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,680
uh increase efficiency by reducing

2620
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,000
internal cost, that we increase

2621
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,880
profitability and therefore benefit the

2622
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,920
shareholder. Right? It doesn't work that

2623
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,920
way for a municipality or local

2624
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,640
government. When we talk about

2625
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,480
efficiency or reducing cost, in most

2626
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,200
cases what that means is level of

2627
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,600
service change. And that is our

2628
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,520
business, right? We provide a service to

2629
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,240
uh our residents, which is why I love

2630
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:39,920
local government. Of all our government

2631
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,560
structures, local government is the best

2632
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,240
to me because that's where the rubber

2633
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,720
hits the road. We provide a service. If

2634
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,160
we reduce cost and that compromises our

2635
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,480
level of service, then that impacts me

2636
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:53,400
as a resident. I lose something. I don't

2637
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,000
gain something like as if I were a

2638
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,560
shareholder, right? Um

2639
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,440
I know I could perceive it as a gain in

2640
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,520
that I my property tax or my sales tax

2641
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,160
doesn't go up, but I lose that level of

2642
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,400
service. So,

2643
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,480
uh that multi-pronged approach is very

2644
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:09,560
beneficial because we need to evaluate

2645
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,680
that level of service.

2646
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,520
Uh what are our expenditure growth

2647
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,400
rates? What does that look like? And how

2648
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,040
do we continue to provide that level of

2649
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,120
service

2650
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,240
um while still promoting efficiency and

2651
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,320
managing

2652
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,280
revenue resources and

2653
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,560
uh changing those as necessary, those

2654
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:27,920
that we can

2655
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,080
control

2656
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,080
>> And that's kind of my question. So,

2657
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,200
um in the private sector

2658
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,440
um and I'll just say from, you know, a

2659
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:39,120
company that my husband worked for,

2660
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:40,320
Novell,

2661
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,360
um Ray Noorda always had this formula,

2662
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,240
right? And every so often he had to do a

2663
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,600
RIF, reduction of forces,

2664
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,920
keep the profitability

2665
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,000
rate.

2666
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,080
So, and then we heard Representative

2667
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,440
Peterson talk about the direction from

2668
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,320
the governor to reduce all the budgets

2669
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:02,040
by 5%. So, help me understand how on a

2670
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,800
municipal level

2671
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,200
um

2672
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,000
you implement both of those in your

2673
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,560
projection

2674
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,320
or a a form of those in your projection

2675
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:12,080
model.

2676
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,040
>> Yeah, so we we're not addressing that

2677
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,840
necessarily um although we can. So, we

2678
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,600
can say, "Okay, let's look at those

2679
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,720
types of directives and say

2680
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:22,760
um

2681
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,280
uh on a on a big scale, right? In those

2682
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,400
general assumptions that I looked at,

2683
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,360
instead of 10% growth and or or 3%

2684
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,600
growth in our in our budget, let's put

2685
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,040
in -5% in there and see what happens.

2686
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,560
Does that change anything?

2687
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,080
But it I I think the important question

2688
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,160
is that that's easy to do in an Excel

2689
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,000
model, right? I can put a -5 in place of

2690
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,560
a 3% growth and say, "Well, we go. Well,

2691
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,480
look, this is how we do that."

2692
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:52,280
But the reality is in order to achieve

2693
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,560
that, you as a council actually have to

2694
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,480
say, "Okay, where are we going to cut

2695
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:00,360
the services so that we can achieve that

2696
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,080
assumption that I just plugged into this

2697
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,160
model?

2698
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,120
And most of the time when we have that

2699
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,880
discussion is when I bring in a model

2700
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,920
like this and say, "Okay, yeah, that's

2701
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,960
easy to plug and play.

2702
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,640
But what expense line items when I if I

2703
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,800
go back to this model

2704
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,760
and I say, "Okay,

2705
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,720
let's look at

2706
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,520
all of these buckets here and now expand

2707
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,760
all of those and say, 'Okay, we've got

2708
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,920
actually a lot of things we're doing in

2709
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,800
here in these in these categories, which

2710
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,600
ones are we going to actually cut

2711
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:36,600
um services out of? You know, what

2712
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,320
where does that that savings come from?

2713
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:40,920
So, um

2714
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,720
again, we can we can we can make the

2715
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,000
assumptions change, but it comes back to

2716
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,240
you as a legislative body, what services

2717
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:49,280
do we

2718
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,720
from the equation to to achieve that

2719
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:52,640
objective?

2720
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:57,280
>> And and okay, just to kind of the the counterpoint. That's cool. There's

2721
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,080
services and there's also benefits.

2722
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,600
So, and I'm just going to say something

2723
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,880
that's um kind of unique to municipal as

2724
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:07,760
um

2725
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,040
the

2726
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,920
980 work.

2727
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:11,440
>> Okay.

2728
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:12,680
>> So,

2729
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,520
day off every couple weeks. So, when in

2730
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,080
2009

2731
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:18,360
>> 2008

2732
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,480
>> I remember there was this

2733
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:22,640
we are in a recession, a deep recession

2734
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,960
that the city was experiencing. We don't

2735
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,720
want to lay people off, so we're going

2736
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,120
to roll off some of these other

2737
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,000
benefits and not replace them with

2738
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,520
people after through attrition to kind

2739
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,160
of bring our salaries back into our new

2740
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,640
budget that we have because of the

2741
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,880
recession. So, I guess my my question

2742
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,840
is, how often or how should we

2743
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,680
anticipate that type of decision also or

2744
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,800
can we? How does that work with this

2745
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,520
model that you've talked about? Can we

2746
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,760
preemptively look at something like that

2747
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,920
if we're

2748
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,800
um concerned? Cuz frankly, I'm

2749
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,760
concerned. Affordability for our

2750
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,720
residents is very difficult right now.

2751
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,640
So, this uh you know, you're you're

2752
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,840
saying, "Oh, it's 3%." But for seniors

2753
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,080
who call me,

2754
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:11,680
that's

2755
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:11,960
>> Enough.

2756
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:12,440
>> You know.

2757
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:13,000
>> Yeah.

2758
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,760
>> So, help me have that discussion.

2759
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,760
>> Yes. That's a great uh comment and the

2760
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,480
benefit of the model. To say, as the

2761
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:22,480
council looks at some of those

2762
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:25,360
initiatives, we can evaluate the impact.

2763
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:26,280
Say,

2764
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,720
what happens if we assume that we were

2765
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,320
uh not necessarily remove a level of

2766
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:31,600
service, but

2767
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,840
uh let it expire. Let you know, a

2768
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,800
benefit potentially. And so, we can

2769
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,760
measure the magnitude of that and then

2770
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,080
uh evaluate the impacts on that that

2771
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,480
graph that we were just looking at. And

2772
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:45,760
say, "Okay, how does that help us? Does

2773
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,760
it um change our uh perspective at all?"

2774
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,520
Uh again, it goes back to what Brent

2775
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,560
said is that will likely be needed as

2776
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,520
well. So, efficiency is not removed from

2777
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:57,960
this discussion that the city will

2778
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,920
continue to have to do that because

2779
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,960
again, the the magnitude here

2780
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,360
cannot be sustained without addressing

2781
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,600
all of that. Efficiency, revenue,

2782
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,960
uh economic development, all of that has

2783
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:12,080
to

2784
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,600
>> to say, I mean, I went through this. I

2785
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,320
worked for a company and we had this

2786
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,520
great big meeting. Basically, in this

2787
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,040
meeting, it was just this raw raw

2788
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,000
cheerleader kind of meeting. And in the

2789
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,160
meeting, they said, "We're taking away

2790
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,880
your automatic cola." We used to get a

2791
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,760
bump in our check every time a CPI went

2792
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:30,200
up, right? But, you still have a job.

2793
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:31,560
So, this is good.

2794
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:31,720
>> Yeah.

2795
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:33,200
>> You know? And I remember sitting there

2796
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:34,640
going, "Did they really just say that to

2797
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,240
me?" And I'm supposed to be happy right

2798
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,360
now cuz they've taken away my cola. So,

2799
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,360
I guess that's the question. How When at

2800
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,160
what point do you decide to add that

2801
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,000
type of

2802
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,080
hard discussion to models like

2803
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,480
>> I think as as Bren indicated, it will be

2804
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:53,320
on an annual basis that you'll be

2805
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:54,840
looking at this

2806
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,680
uh in order to address these types of

2807
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,400
issues, it's it's a multi-year

2808
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,080
multi-pronged approach. Uh and all of

2809
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,480
that is on the table to ensure that uh

2810
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:06,920
you can continue to provide service.

2811
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:08,520
Because uh you know

2812
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,040
municipalities are not in the business

2813
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,680
of going out of business, right? So, the

2814
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,320
service that you provide has to

2815
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,360
continue. And there are other factors

2816
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,040
that influence that, um you know, market

2817
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,120
factors relative to

2818
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,760
um retaining employees.

2819
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,760
Um in some years it's easy to make those

2820
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,120
types of decision to say, "Hey, we're

2821
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,600
not going to provide these benefits that

2822
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,240
you've become accustomed to because

2823
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,120
everybody's losing those benefits."

2824
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,040
Whereas in a year where uh the market uh

2825
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,160
supports those types of benefits and you

2826
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:41,640
say, "Hey, we're going to remove that."

2827
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,640
You're going to lose employees and you

2828
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,640
will not be able to provide the service.

2829
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,240
So, it's not an easy answer, I guess,

2830
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:49,760
what I'm giving. It's just we have to

2831
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,840
continue to watch that and all of those

2832
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,640
solutions that you bring up need to be

2833
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,160
on the table in this model.

2834
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:57,680
>> And I guess that's what I'm trying to do

2835
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,920
is publicly say, "These are some of the

2836
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:01,400
options." And

2837
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:02,960
there some of the decisions are super

2838
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,640
hard. Well, they all are, right?

2839
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,560
>> But we have a responsibility to examine

2840
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:07,680
the all the options.

2841
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:08,880
>> Yes.

2842
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,680
>> I think we went through that a few years

2843
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:12,120
ago

2844
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:13,080
where

2845
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:14,840
economy was tough.

2846
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,760
And some of those

2847
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,120
benefits

2848
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,120
raises, those kind of things had to be

2849
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,120
held back and that those aren't that was

2850
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,720
before my time, but I heard about it.

2851
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,120
Um and those were hard decisions to

2852
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:28,920
make.

2853
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,280
I feel like that

2854
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:33,800
that's part of our annual budgeting

2855
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,440
process. Though, I feel like exec staff

2856
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:38,320
looks really hard at those those

2857
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,200
elements, those things.

2858
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,000
And um

2859
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,760
you know, it can you know, continual

2860
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:45,640
will continue to do that

2861
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,320
forward. But, yeah, I think that's a

2862
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,080
>> Cuz we know they're doing

2863
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,840
>> a part of our responsibility.

2864
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,600
>> It's Chris. And I just appreciate the

2865
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,560
opportunity that there is a tool.

2866
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,360
There's a way to analyze each of these

2867
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,480
mechanisms uh, in the theoretical Excel

2868
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:04,560
rather than have to in the economic of

2869
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,880
oh, we're not sure, so let's

2870
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,520
make it a you know, some challenge with

2871
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,880
employees or services or or, uh,

2872
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,920
you know, citizens in their in their

2873
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,520
monthly utility bill, whatever it is.

2874
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,960
So, this this tool is going to be very

2875
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,760
helpful as we move forward in analyzing

2876
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,200
what we can and need to do to

2877
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,920
effectively help our city be the best it

2878
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,480
can be with the most efficient use of

2879
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:34,600
the tax funds that are sacred funds that

2880
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,600
we have we have a, you know, fiduciary

2881
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,080
responsibility to maintain.

2882
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,000
>> Yes, and and I think that's a great

2883
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,000
point is that is the objective of the

2884
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,240
model is to be proactive. But, as you,

2885
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,880
um, as legislators look at how to be

2886
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:49,880
efficient, we can then model that and

2887
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,800
help you with data. So, here's what

2888
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,800
happens if we do that. And, uh, that

2889
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,480
should help inform that that policy

2890
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:57,760
decision.

2891
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,880
Uh, the entities that I do this this

2892
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,040
work with, um, we are often updating

2893
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,040
them on an annual basis.

2894
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,440
Uh, it's very efficient, uh, low-cost

2895
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:10,720
way to, uh, provide data.

2896
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,200
Um, and then we'll come back in and say,

2897
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:14,040
"Okay, here's what we have. Here's what

2898
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,360
the model looks like based on these

2899
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:16,920
assumptions." And,

2900
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,320
uh, it creates informed decision making.

2901
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,640
>> And now that we have now that we have

2902
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,120
this, um, sort of started, and uh, we

2903
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:28,360
can bring this back to you earlier in

2904
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,960
our budget process like

2905
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,720
our next retreat and so that you so that

2906
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,440
we can use this as a tool for you to

2907
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:39,280
help us set the the the goals, the the

2908
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:44,920
stage, the guardrails for future budget

2909
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,920
processes.

2910
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,120
>> Fred, can I say a few things?

2911
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,560
>> Please.

2912
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,600
>> Um

2913
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,000
so it again, as as Fred has stated, it's

2914
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,440
easy for us to clickety-click in the

2915
01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:00,280
model and say, "Oh, reduce expenses by

2916
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:03,840
5%." And yes, that needs to be explored,

2917
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,200
but um

2918
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:06,600
I remember

2919
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,400
several years ago,

2920
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,120
uh with other council members seated, I

2921
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:12,360
can't remember Karen whether you were on

2922
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,440
the council then or not, but

2923
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:17,000
um you know, they they did start tossing

2924
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,640
out, "Well, what if we close the library

2925
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,960
one day a week?" Or what if we, right?

2926
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,200
And um just by way of reminder, I

2927
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,200
mentioned this um when we met, I think

2928
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,960
in January, that probably something on

2929
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:31,000
the order of magnitude of 65 to 75% of

2930
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,840
your costs are um personnel.

2931
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,160
And I don't know the percentage of that.

2932
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:37,920
I don't I'm I'm glad the fire chief and

2933
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,240
police chief can't kick me under the

2934
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:43,080
table, but my guess is a meaningful

2935
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,160
uh amount of that personnel is police

2936
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,440
and fire.

2937
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:48,960
So, I don't want anyone to, you know,

2938
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:50,640
"Oh, we'll we'll just be efficient."

2939
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:54,280
Well, efficient means less people.

2940
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,240
I mean, if you really want to impact

2941
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,000
your budget, efficient means less

2942
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,080
people.

2943
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,480
And there, you know, I mean, you can do

2944
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:03,320
salary surveys, and there's a point at

2945
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:07,520
which um if you seek to try to keep salaries

2946
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,080
low enough, I mean, we we saw it, right?

2947
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,600
I mean, I I saw police officers fleeing

2948
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,400
from city to city as cities were trying

2949
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,520
to, you know, ramp up their um you know, what they could pay their

2950
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,920
police officers, because you have to be

2951
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,240
competitive. So, I just want there to be

2952
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,800
some reality around those discussions of

2953
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:28,320
what it means and looks like to be

2954
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,600
efficient. So, if you have, you know, I

2955
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:32,800
am just

2956
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,640
wildly making up numbers. You may have

2957
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,200
10 times as many as you have 100 police

2958
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,200
officers a day and you find we have to

2959
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,960
cut that by five, well, cases aren't

2960
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,640
going to get done as quickly, responses

2961
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,000
aren't going to be done as quickly. So,

2962
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,160
there are real-life consequences to what

2963
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,640
those efficiencies mean.

2964
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,240
You know, fewer people aren't going to

2965
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,240
be able to do the same work. And I'm not

2966
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:58,680
saying it doesn't mean you shouldn't

2967
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,400
tighten your belt. I feel I feel like

2968
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,120
the city has been

2969
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,160
very good about that historically. I

2970
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,120
mean, when you think back

2971
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,040
at that graph that

2972
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,320
picture that Fred showed us with the

2973
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,280
graphic of your sale Excuse me, your

2974
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:16,000
property taxes used to be 17%

2975
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,200
of your constituents' tax payment. It's

2976
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,800
now was it nine, Fred, or seven?

2977
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,440
Something low.

2978
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,760
So, I look at that and say, "Okay,

2979
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,760
Orem's one that keeps giving and

2980
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,480
tightening and giving and giving and

2981
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:32,200
tightening different one else. So, your

2982
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,080
residents aren't seeing any

2983
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:38,000
benefit from you know, tax savings

2984
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,720
because others are raising theirs. It

2985
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,200
doesn't mean that's why you should raise

2986
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,000
yours. I just want you to be aware that

2987
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,880
others have noticed the need to do that

2988
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,960
so that they can keep providing that

2989
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,960
level of service. It does need to be a

2990
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,560
comprehensive

2991
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:56,560
view, but that you know, that efficiency

2992
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,960
and working with less people does come

2993
01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:02,120
with some

2994
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:06,550
service-oriented costs.

2995
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,960
Oh, one other thing. In addition to West

2996
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,000
Valley, I know another city that I

2997
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,400
contacted just this morning as I was

2998
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,920
thinking about Ogden has um

2999
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,760
They don't have it done as an ordinance.

3000
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:20,480
Their council and mayor have official

3001
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:23,240
financial policies that they adopt. And

3002
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,480
in their policies, I can get a

3003
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:27,280
I was trying to look at on my phone when

3004
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:28,320
they just sent me a picture and then I

3005
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:29,280
looked at it and it was so teeny I

3006
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,320
couldn't see it. But I can get a copy of

3007
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:32,760
that so you can see what they do, but

3008
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,600
they seek to to do the same thing.

3009
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,000
Address

3010
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,160
you know, the the need to raise taxes.

3011
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:40,720
You know, they discuss it I think every

3012
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,560
year and you know, determine whether

3013
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,760
they need to do that but they try to tie

3014
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,080
it to you know, sort of keeping up with

3015
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:54,470
inflation cuz their costs are going up.

3016
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,880
» All right. Thank you Council. Any other

3017
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,920
questions, thoughts

3018
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,080
on this?

3019
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,080
I just really appreciate the work that

3020
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,240
you do at LRB and helping educate us and

3021
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:06,840
helping us look and explore ways that we

3022
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,120
can do this in the most fair and

3023
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:09,560
efficient way possible while still

3024
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:10,920
maintaining our service. So thank you

3025
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:11,560
for that.

3026
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,550
>> Thank you.

3027
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,280
» All right.

3028
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:18,120
Thank you Laura. It's good to see you.

3029
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:19,600
Thanks Fred. It's good to see you as

3030
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:20,800
well.

3031
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,600
Appreciate your presentation.

3032
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,600
All right, next item on our agenda is

3033
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,640
heart of downtown. I'll turn the time

3034
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,920
over to Gary McGinn, our community

3035
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,320
development director for 15 minutes.

3036
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,840
>> Hey, I'm so excited to follow Fred and

3037
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,560
Laura.

3038
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:38,520
And

3039
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,040
here to ask for about 50 million

3040
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,240
dollars.

3041
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,000
And in the spirit of what they've done,

3042
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,800
I'll try to put all of these projects

3043
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:51,240
in terms of squad cars and fire trucks.

3044
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,240
This project is five fire trucks. This

3045
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:54,400
project's

3046
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,840
>> Can I go now?

3047
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:00,040
>> one fire truck and a squad car. So

3048
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,680
I'll help us keep it in

3049
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,520
So the heart of downtown

3050
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,360
was an idea that the council had a

3051
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,160
couple of years ago

3052
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:14,040
to where in our community can we do

3053
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,960
something and look at and create a

3054
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,000
district and create an arts and

3055
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,600
entertainment district that had

3056
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,960
recreation, things for families of all

3057
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,840
sizes and types and things that could

3058
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,120
bring people into the community to look

3059
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,880
at. And so, uh

3060
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,040
we

3061
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,440
worked with a consultant for the heart

3062
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:38,400
of downtown project and it is centered

3063
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:39,760
around

3064
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:45,760
uh the Sierra Park and the uh Sierra

3065
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,520
Theater and that area.

3066
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:51,880
Uh even though we did look at across

3067
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,920
State Street to the west over to Orin

3068
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,400
Boulevard and looked at those areas.

3069
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,560
They have now come back and presented uh

3070
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:01,880
a pretty

3071
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,120
uh detailed

3072
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,320
and a 99%

3073
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,240
draft to you back in January

3074
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,400
uh of this year and then based on the

3075
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,640
feedback that they've gotten

3076
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,560
uh have come back with this. And just a

3077
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,320
reminder

3078
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:24,680
uh when they started the program, they uh met with council members, they

3079
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,120
had a steering committee, they met with

3080
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:27,840
uh

3081
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,440
numerous people in the community,

3082
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:31,680
business owners, residents,

3083
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,320
uh members of our boards and commissions

3084
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:38,600
and went through this process. And so,

3085
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,960
this is the primary study area that we

3086
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,720
really ended up in and this is a graphic

3087
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,280
showing

3088
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,880
uh the area uh

3089
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,080
around Sierra where the majority of

3090
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,360
things

3091
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,360
that they envision we could do to create

3092
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,880
this arts and entertainment district.

3093
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,560
And they have put it into phases and

3094
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,760
we'll go look at the phases. Now, the

3095
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,040
phases don't mean, "Oh, we need to do

3096
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,440
this

3097
01:49:08,440 --> 01:49:10,960
phase one and do everything and then go

3098
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,000
to phase two and do everything." What

3099
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,240
they've done is by phases it's more of

3100
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:20,120
uh in their estimation logical groupings

3101
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,520
of projects that might make sense

3102
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,280
uh to be done together or or might have

3103
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,640
some sort of synergy

3104
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:33,480
uh as a part of them. And so,

3105
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:35,920
with that, I'll go through the different

3106
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,680
phases that they have listed. And the

3107
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,520
document has, as we saw before,

3108
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,400
uh artistic uh I mean uh design

3109
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:45,960
guidelines.

3110
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,120
It has uh

3111
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,440
treatments for streets in the area and

3112
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:52,720
different things like that.

3113
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,720
So, the first area is they call it the

3114
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,760
festival street enhancements. That's

3115
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,800
that 720 South in between the park on

3116
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,800
the north and the SCERA uh theater to

3117
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:09,560
the south. And here's a kind of a more

3118
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,080
uh detailed graphic of what that could

3119
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,760
possibly be.

3120
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:17,400
Or that street could be turned into a

3121
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,800
festival street where you can have

3122
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:21,960
people come. It shows you a food trucks,

3123
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,960
activities, kind of a farmers market

3124
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,920
uh thing going on there. And that's

3125
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,680
something that could be done for 0.75

3126
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:34,750
fire trucks.

3127
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,280
Hold.

3128
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,120
And and and the idea is to more

3129
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,560
routinely being being able to bring

3130
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,080
people into that area.

3131
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:47,680
Uh

3132
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,960
it's and the idea behind this study

3133
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,760
wasn't that SCERA Park's deficient in

3134
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,120
any way. By no means is that the

3135
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,920
message. It's a great park or does it

3136
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,040
mean what's happening at the SCERA is

3137
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:03,440
deficient. It's how can we leverage what

3138
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:06,920
they're already doing to enhance

3139
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:09,520
uh things in the community. So, that was

3140
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,640
uh their phase one

3141
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:12,480
uh

3142
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:15,120
talking about that Festival Street, then

3143
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:17,880
you have this area and you can see the

3144
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,120
pool that that's existing there and they

3145
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:23,000
call this the core experience area. And

3146
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,760
so in the core experience area

3147
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,120
uh probably the premier thing in that is

3148
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:32,680
you can see the ice ribbon.

3149
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,840
And when we went on our summer tour, we

3150
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,200
went and looked at the ice ribbon in

3151
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,640
Airman.

3152
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,280
And looked at that and what that could

3153
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,680
possibly do. So it's something that can

3154
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,120
work in the wintertime. You see some of

3155
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:53,080
the cabanas there bringing people in,

3156
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:54,680
families

3157
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,440
participating,

3158
01:51:56,440 --> 01:51:58,080
parents, grandparents sitting in the

3159
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,880
cabana, that's where I will be

3160
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,320
while people are out ice skating. In the

3161
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:06,000
summer, it can be

3162
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,520
roller skating,

3163
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,080
rollerblading,

3164
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,320
that type of thing. So that's one of the

3165
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,520
enhancements in there that can begin to

3166
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:17,600
make this area a four-season area. The

3167
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,040
pool closes in the fall, opens up in the

3168
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,840
spring. This can bring more activity to

3169
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,280
that whole area year-round. Uh

3170
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,080
now

3171
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,200
they talk about everyday activation.

3172
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,160
And in the everyday activate Oops,

3173
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:37,480
sorry.

3174
01:52:37,480 --> 01:52:39,600
Every everyday activation, what they're

3175
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,040
talking about is if you look

3176
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,480
uh

3177
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:46,160
Oh, that doesn't show up. Mine is green,

3178
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:48,320
this one's red. Green shows up well

3179
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,400
everywhere. Uh

3180
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:54,720
you can see what they have here is a

3181
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,320
potentially someday a parking structure

3182
01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,400
that would feed and support things that

3183
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,240
are going on here.

3184
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,320
One of the uh

3185
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:05,600
and support what's happening at Sarah.

3186
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,920
This is a private property here, you can

3187
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,240
see our property line. One of the things

3188
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:11,920
that they've talked about in this plan

3189
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:16,440
that's a need in our community is a

3190
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:18,280
boutique hotel.

3191
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,000
Or

3192
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,080
more hotel

3193
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:23,640
space

3194
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:26,360
that's unique that can bring people in

3195
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:28,800
to the center of the city

3196
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,040
to come and participate. So, in

3197
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,600
these phase what this is about is

3198
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:37,880
bringing more people year-round

3199
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,080
to this area.

3200
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,600
>> So, my question is, they're saying that

3201
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,080
we need that.

3202
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,000
Are they Is that based on the the

3203
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,600
plan? Like this type of plan has that

3204
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:50,520
>> Yes.

3205
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:55,200
>> amenity or and or based on Orem needing

3206
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:56,360
more hotels?

3207
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:59,680
>> Orem needing some more

3208
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,480
hotel space. They think we need it. We

3209
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:05,920
have a need for that. And more boutique,

3210
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,000
not necessarily

3211
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,280
you know,

3212
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:10,520
a

3213
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,240
entry-level

3214
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:14,920
motel, things like that, but something

3215
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,000
that people would come in and maybe

3216
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,200
they're staying

3217
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,680
here because they come in six times a

3218
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,720
year for a BYU football game. And it's a

3219
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:28,320
little nicer. Maybe there's

3220
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:32,560
a large activity going on in the park.

3221
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:35,440
The concert series. People come in and

3222
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,560
stay for that.

3223
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,280
Those types of things. They see it being

3224
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:41,640
here.

3225
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,440
Not only do we have a need, but they see

3226
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:46,160
it here as

3227
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,800
a plan like this would really drive this

3228
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,280
and make this successful in in this

3229
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,840
location.

3230
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,280
>> And every every day you have new

3231
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,280
customers coming to town.

3232
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:57,640
>> Yeah.

3233
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,280
>> So, it helps the activation part of

3234
01:54:59,280 --> 01:54:59,480
that.

3235
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:01,000
>> And you have new people coming into

3236
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,840
town, uh experiences, a lot of the

3237
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:07,000
exciting things uh Bryce is doing

3238
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,880
uh out there with parks and recreation

3239
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,160
trying to get uh

3240
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,360
what do we call it?

3241
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:15,640
You got a term?

3242
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:16,120
>> DMO.

3243
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:18,040
>> Uh DMO, destination market.

3244
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:19,600
>> Yeah, that activities, yeah.

3245
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:20,560
>> Yeah.

3246
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,080
Where people would come in, whether

3247
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,840
that's a large race or something like

3248
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,160
that that's happening here. That with

3249
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:29,040
our Festival Street, other things we

3250
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,160
have going on in the park, maybe the

3251
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,360
finish line is there.

3252
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:35,920
And that's a big draw. And the bigger

3253
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,480
they are, they tend to bring uh family,

3254
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:42,080
they tend to stay uh several days. So,

3255
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:44,320
it's this type of thing that comes in.

3256
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,040
Now, phase three

3257
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:50,000
uh again, talking about this, a lot of

3258
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,760
this would would require us to work with

3259
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,000
uh adjoining owners that own property

3260
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,120
and helping them see the vision of what

3261
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,880
could be possible here. And so, it's not

3262
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:03,640
that since we don't own the property, we

3263
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,960
just couldn't go out and and build a

3264
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:11,120
hotel for only five fire trucks. But

3265
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:12,560
>> The building on station one rebuilt

3266
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,800
right now.

3267
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,160
>> It would So, the next phase they talked

3268
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:20,880
about is uh creative capacity. One of

3269
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,800
the big ideas that they had here is in

3270
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:31,760
this area would be the ideas uh

3271
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:35,360
artists artisans and shops and a

3272
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:39,280
commercial aspect to it, but not only

3273
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:42,160
that, uh bringing people in where they

3274
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,800
could come to a market. And you know,

3275
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,760
we've heard ideas ranging from

3276
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,030
uh

3277
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:52,960
working with UVU and some sort of uh

3278
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:57,560
culinary uh test kitchen here where people come

3279
01:56:57,560 --> 01:57:00,680
in and learn and oh, I've always wanted

3280
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:02,200
to try a restaurant. Let's see if it can

3281
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:03,720
work and they have a little space that

3282
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,760
they can do things. Two artists that

3283
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,920
come in and uh have a little shop. One

3284
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,760
of my favorite places that I've been to

3285
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,120
in a long time ever out in DC and I knew

3286
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:16,800
you were just there and I forgot to tell

3287
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,120
you about it, Brent. It's go to Old Town

3288
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,200
uh uh

3289
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,440
Alexandria Alexandria and the old uh

3290
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:28,080
Torpedo Factory and they've turned this

3291
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:29,680
into

3292
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,680
uh little shops where people are there

3293
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:35,520
with the market doing things. It's

3294
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,800
really a cool innovative things. Brings

3295
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:42,480
in lots of people. It fosters the arts.

3296
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,000
It fosters that type of vibe and

3297
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,560
creativity

3298
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,360
that is part of an arts and

3299
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,000
entertainment

3300
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:54,800
uh district with recreation fit in great

3301
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,280
in that creative capacity area. And this

3302
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:00,080
is kind of a vision of what that type of

3303
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,840
area could be.

3304
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:05,280
Uh there on the right, you could have uh

3305
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:09,520
some different shops and things going on

3306
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:11,280
with it. Uh

3307
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,960
so that this would fit in with kind of

3308
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:15,720
the design guidelines and things that

3309
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:17,640
they're telling us about. I got to

3310
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:20,200
hurry. Say phase five is the circulation

3311
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:23,000
and event capacity. Taking what we've

3312
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,400
already got here, things that are uh

3313
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,440
really good and adding to it. You see on

3314
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,400
the south there the uh

3315
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:35,080
rink or maybe the ice ribbon, but uh has

3316
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:38,800
that big field where we do the art show

3317
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,360
last year.

3318
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:42,400
Uh you can bring in food trucks.

3319
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,840
Designing this so it works better for

3320
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,440
those types of things. And probably my

3321
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,760
favorite, they have put in a carousel. I

3322
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,120
was in St. George's last weekend looked

3323
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,040
to their carousel. Unfortunately, it

3324
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,040
wasn't in operation. And if you look at

3325
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:58,560
the carousel,

3326
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,000
we better have a mammoth

3327
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:00,680
>> A woolly mammoth.

3328
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:01,440
>> in there.

3329
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:02,080
>> There's something

3330
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,160
>> And and I was telling people now we have

3331
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:06,160
success if 2-year-olds are getting in

3332
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,080
fights over who gets to be on the

3333
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:10,480
mammoth at the carousel. That's how

3334
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,480
we'll gauge success on this one.

3335
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,320
>> We even have a sports team to pay for

3336
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:15,560
it.

3337
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:16,520
>> Sponsor it.

3338
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:19,560
>> And officer there to keep the peace.

3339
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:21,800
>> We got the mammoth first.

3340
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,120
>> I have you saying wait, they can now pay

3341
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:25,720
for it.

3342
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:26,400
>> The carousel.

3343
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,400
>> We need sponsors. I'm talking

3344
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:29,560
>> The little mammoth.

3345
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,160
>> Of course.

3346
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:31,960
>> Yeah.

3347
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:32,640
>> Let's go.

3348
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,120
>> And then phase six is

3349
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:38,280
enhancing event capacity and flexibility

3350
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,240
out in this area. There are some things

3351
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:43,600
that we could do to

3352
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,640
enhance the area that allows

3353
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:50,160
the events to be more successful and

3354
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:52,360
smooth. As you can see in the top there,

3355
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:54,520
they they talk about relocating some

3356
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:56,280
parking there.

3357
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:57,360
That was

3358
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:58,960
kind of a big discussion that we had

3359
01:59:58,960 --> 01:59:59,880
with them

3360
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,760
last time they were in.

3361
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:02,600
And

3362
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,360
>> Is that the existing parking lot that's

3363
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:06,600
there now? The one on the far top right?

3364
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:08,000
>> No, that's a new one.

3365
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,960
>> That's a new one.

3366
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:10,400
They

3367
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,080
>> The school still or is that somewhere

3368
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:12,280
else?

3369
02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:13,920
>> And the school's just to the north.

3370
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:14,760
>> Yeah, okay, that helps.

3371
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,680
>> School's just to the north. And what

3372
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:22,080
this does if I go back here in this area

3373
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:23,720
right here

3374
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:27,000
used to be a big is a big parking lot

3375
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,040
and they've taken that out and relocated

3376
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,400
it up over here.

3377
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:31,520
>> That makes sense.

3378
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,880
>> And then this area becomes much more

3379
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,240
usable with the carousel and a mammoth.

3380
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:36,800
>> Oh.

3381
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,120
>> All by the way, for for half a fire

3382
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:39,800
truck.

3383
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,360
>> Perfect.

3384
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,550
>> Uh

3385
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:47,440
And then the last one is just

3386
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:48,880
connectivity.

3387
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:53,080
Uh connecting roads and like

3388
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:56,880
Tiger Tiger Way over here

3389
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:01,480
and putting in a divided road that people could go

3390
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,000
through or

3391
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:04,640
multi-use

3392
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:08,680
sidewalk. Getting working with UTA and

3393
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,760
others, making accessibility

3394
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:14,160
uh for the community into this place. Is

3395
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:14,880
that

3396
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,080
>> road? Is that the uh

3397
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:18,600
Orchard Drive in their apartment

3398
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:21,040
complex? The top where the parking lot

3399
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:22,800
goes all the way to State Street?

3400
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:23,360
>> Yeah.

3401
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:24,880
>> Is that where it is?

3402
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:26,240
Like Orchard Drive?

3403
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:28,200
>> Yeah. And then the road I was talking

3404
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:30,640
about is over here on Tiger Way. This

3405
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:33,480
I don't know enhancing that.

3406
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:35,760
So,

3407
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:39,320
keep us on schedule. Any questions? Yes.

3408
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:40,800
>> You know we joke about it, but this is a

3409
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,320
very difficult presentation to follow

3410
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:43,480
the last presentation.

3411
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:43,760
>> Yes.

3412
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,040
>> Maybe can you help put Put um and maybe

3413
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:47,680
relating to Laura Lewis's comments about

3414
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:48,720
the percent of our budget and all that

3415
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:51,000
stuff, but how does how can we help our

3416
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,960
residents see this in a way that they

3417
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,520
don't say, "Well, we're raising taxes.

3418
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:55,240
Maybe we don't need to."

3419
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:56,560
>> This is not what we're raising taxes

3420
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:56,800
for.

3421
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:57,200
>> Yes.

3422
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:59,880
>> You know, that's a great question.

3423
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:03,160
And one of the So, the entire document

3424
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:07,200
is you know 123 pages. One One of the

3425
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,080
chapters that they have is how do you

3426
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:11,360
fund this? And so they come in and they

3427
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,960
talk about different things. There are

3428
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,480
things such as

3429
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:18,440
there is general fund. So, how do we

3430
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,760
stack the capital to be able to do some

3431
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,720
of these projects? So, some may be

3432
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:24,880
general fund dollars that we would have.

3433
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,600
Some could be care dollars.

3434
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,360
That could work here. Some could be if

3435
02:02:30,360 --> 02:02:33,600
we're doing say the festival street,

3436
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:37,200
some of that may come from

3437
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:39,960
enterprise funds dealing with utilities

3438
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:42,880
and things like that. Or if we're

3439
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:47,480
enhancing streets around it, could come from a tough fund.

3440
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:50,840
Also, they talk in here about a robust

3441
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:56,480
approach to going out and we joke about

3442
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,600
giving somebody as a sponsor a carousel

3443
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,000
with mammoth.

3444
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,360
That's one of the first phone calls I

3445
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:04,240
think we make is is leveraging those

3446
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:07,920
types of things and working with Sarah

3447
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,920
as a part of them and leveraging

3448
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:14,480
their board, their connections to help

3449
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:16,440
them see the vision of what we're trying

3450
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:18,400
to do. Now,

3451
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:19,880
>> In your fundraising efforts.

3452
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:22,280
>> Yeah, fundraising efforts. One of the

3453
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:25,080
things that I think I mean

3454
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,880
>> Go to the Utah County transient room

3455
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:29,640
tax.

3456
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:30,280
>> Exactly.

3457
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,080
>> Yeah, exactly.

3458
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,040
>> Which we pay a lot into and don't always

3459
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:34,840
get back.

3460
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:35,240
>> Right.

3461
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,920
>> Yeah. So, it's it's all of those things

3462
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,720
that we can layer all of those capital

3463
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,600
sources to do a project. What you'll see

3464
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:45,600
on the agenda tonight is hopefully on

3465
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:48,320
the consent agenda is a resolution that

3466
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:51,480
you would by resolution adopt this

3467
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:52,840
plan.

3468
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:56,680
It doesn't mean we are going to tomorrow

3469
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:59,120
build any one of these projects. We

3470
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:01,040
would still need to work with the

3471
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,520
council, work with the community, help

3472
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:06,120
them understand what it is that we want

3473
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:08,920
to do, how do we have the capital to pay

3474
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:11,240
for it? How do we

3475
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:13,400
stack all of those capital sources

3476
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:17,840
together to have a project? So, by

3477
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,440
voting for this plan doesn't commit you

3478
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:21,960
to anything.

3479
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:25,640
What it does is tells us

3480
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:28,600
staff, yeah, we like the ideas in this.

3481
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:32,560
Now go and come back with a project that

3482
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:34,360
you think we can do.

3483
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:36,720
And how and explain to us how we can do

3484
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,440
it. And one of the questions should be,

3485
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,960
where's the money coming from? And even

3486
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:43,520
though I've been joking about, you know,

3487
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:47,400
the fire trucks and squad cars, you

3488
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:50,720
know, we don't want to sell a fire truck

3489
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,200
to pay for this.

3490
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,560
So, how are we going to do it and still

3491
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:55,640
stay within our

3492
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:58,190
>> Chief.

3493
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,600
» It'll just cost you $3 million in a few

3494
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,200
more years.

3495
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:03,320
No, but that's something completely

3496
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:05,960
>> But I think it's a good a good um if I

3497
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:08,360
can to Jim's point, I think if people

3498
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:09,800
are listening in, I really want to

3499
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:13,320
emphasize that we had some of these same

3500
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:16,280
presentations with our um

3501
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:19,400
ball fields down at Lakeside. So, what

3502
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:21,000
did we do? We went out and we found

3503
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:24,440
grants from the county. We found funding

3504
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:27,400
for our water reuse facility. How did we

3505
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,960
build that? Um you know, how did we find

3506
02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:32,120
that those millions? We went out and

3507
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:35,320
found the money. So, if this is I just

3508
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:37,120
really want I appreciate Jim saying

3509
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:39,320
that. Very important that we

3510
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:45,240
emphasize to your point, this is a great thing that we need to

3511
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:47,480
find outside sources.

3512
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:49,880
It is not connected to our

3513
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,160
tax increase decisions.

3514
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:54,160
>> Right. And just to clarify, this is not

3515
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:55,840
we would not raise taxes to do this.

3516
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,640
That's I think my point. We're not

3517
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:00,200
>> We would not raise taxes to do this.

3518
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:01,120
>> Schedule 2L.

3519
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:02,480
>> So, Gary, um

3520
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:03,880
the resolution to adopt the Heart of

3521
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:05,160
Downtown Master Plan

3522
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:05,720
>> Show us.

3523
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,480
>> The resolution that does what?

3524
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:10,960
>> As a resolution, what it does is say we

3525
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,440
adopt this as our master plan.

3526
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:14,760
>> So, now we're we adopted

3527
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,880
>> What this It it the Heart of the Orem

3528
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:20,040
Heart of Downtown Master Plan is the

3529
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:20,960
title of the document.

3530
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:21,680
>> design

3531
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:23,120
>> So, the the stuff that you presented

3532
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:24,920
>> The the stuff that I presented.

3533
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:26,560
>> Okay, so we're not

3534
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:29,560
adopting any resolution to say

3535
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:31,520
this is what we're committed to doing.

3536
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:33,640
No. And what we're going to build. We're

3537
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:36,120
just saying we like this idea.

3538
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:39,200
>> We like this idea and it may not say it

3539
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:41,080
directly in the resolution, but what it

3540
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:42,720
does is say

3541
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:44,120
Gary,

3542
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:46,560
Ryan, Bren, Chris,

3543
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,200
you know, Bryce,

3544
02:06:48,200 --> 02:06:51,960
as an executive staff, we like this.

3545
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:54,360
Come back and show us how we can start

3546
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:56,400
chipping away and and doing some of

3547
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:02,680
these projects and how it will work and why it's a benefit of the community.

3548
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:06,160
So, it's kind of a visionary goal for us

3549
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:08,160
and it has a whole lot of components to

3550
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:09,040
it.

3551
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:11,880
What we can do now is begin working on

3552
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:14,360
it. If if you don't want us to work on

3553
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:18,000
this, then don't vote

3554
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:25,710
for it and and adopt it as master plan.

3555
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:27,680
» All right. I just want to express my

3556
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:29,720
appreciation to you and the then the

3557
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:31,480
consultants and to the prior

3558
02:07:31,480 --> 02:07:33,400
administration. Um

3559
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:35,560
bulk of the heavy lifting was done

3560
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,760
before I came on board in January and

3561
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,120
I'm excited about what the possibilities

3562
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:42,120
here

3563
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:43,480
and appreciate the comments that have

3564
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:49,720
been made have been made about how our tent is to look out side the box for

3565
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:51,120
further funding sources so we're not

3566
02:07:51,120 --> 02:07:53,200
paying we we will not pay in fire trucks

3567
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:56,440
or squad cars or whatever.

3568
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:57,480
Uh

3569
02:07:57,480 --> 02:08:00,720
anyway, thank you. Appreciate you.

3570
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,480
Let's take like 3 minutes

3571
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:05,800
to get our food. I've asked

3572
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,400
if if she would Here's You're good. I'm

3573
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,400
so sorry. If she would offer a prayer a

3574
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:13,640
blessing on the food.

3575
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:15,080
>> Our beloved father in heaven, we're so

3576
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:16,680
grateful for this opportunity we have to

3577
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:18,760
gather together today and discuss these

3578
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:20,280
issues that are important for our

3579
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:22,120
residents in Orem

3580
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:24,480
and in our county. We are grateful unto

3581
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:27,400
thee for the work of those

3582
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:29,840
staff members and um community members,

3583
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:31,680
council members that has got has gone

3584
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:33,760
into this. Um

3585
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,720
things that we've discussed today. And

3586
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:38,520
this time we pray for special blessing

3587
02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:39,680
upon the food that we're about to

3588
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:41,120
partake of, that it may give us

3589
02:08:41,120 --> 02:08:43,280
nourishment and strength and we can use

3590
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:44,720
that strength in serving thee and those

3591
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:46,400
around us and

3592
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:47,880
pray for thy blessings upon us

3593
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:49,200
constantly and say these things in the

3594
02:08:49,200 --> 02:08:51,200
name of thy son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

3595
02:08:51,200 --> 02:12:19,750
>> Amen.

3596
02:12:19,760 --> 02:14:05,950
» Mhm.

3597
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:08,520
» Like you had enough time to cover what

3598
02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:09,640
needs to be covered.

3599
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:11,240
>> Okay.

3600
02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:12,680
>> We I'm going to for running behind a

3601
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:14,160
little bit. So,

3602
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:15,600
we'll go ahead and turn the time over to

3603
02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:16,200
you.

3604
02:14:16,200 --> 02:14:17,160
>> Thanks.

3605
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:20,600
Um so, this presentation is on the

3606
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,040
neighborhood improvement came in parking

3607
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:24,000
enforcement. This is a project we've

3608
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,160
been working on for a while.

3609
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:26,720
Um

3610
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:31,960
and the goal of it essentially is to to

3611
02:14:31,960 --> 02:14:34,400
create efficient code and parking

3612
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,000
enforcement, but also being fair and

3613
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:39,240
helping as much as we can

3614
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:42,560
while enforcing the educate citizens. Um

3615
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:44,920
of course, that requires some balancing

3616
02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:47,880
in terms of um you know, educating and

3617
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:50,240
being lenient versus enforcing. Um you

3618
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:55,520
know, you have you have neighbors who want enforcement to be drastic

3619
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,680
harsh and effective and then we have we

3620
02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:00,520
also want to be able to

3621
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:02,040
um provide leniency where it's

3622
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:04,760
appropriate and

3623
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:07,080
um and work in a way that isn't um

3624
02:15:07,080 --> 02:15:09,400
overburdensome on on someone who's maybe

3625
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:12,440
not maintaining their property or

3626
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:16,790
uh correctly. Um

3627
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,640
I anticipate that there may be a high

3628
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:21,720
level of consensus to a lot of the

3629
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:23,600
things that are being proposed here. So,

3630
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:25,080
I'm going to go through it and I'm going

3631
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:27,280
to ask you to please chime in if you

3632
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,240
have an issue with something or if

3633
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,680
there's a question that you have

3634
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,480
something uh

3635
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:35,600
something that you want to talk about

3636
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:37,400
and get clarification on.

3637
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:44,150
Uh

3638
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:47,160
Just as a general overview, um

3639
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:48,600
there there are a number of things that

3640
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:51,000
are being proposed in this uh

3641
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:53,200
presentation. Uh one is what we're

3642
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:57,360
referring to as the matrices, which um

3643
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:59,080
basically

3644
02:15:59,080 --> 02:16:00,480
uh

3645
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:02,560
guidelines that we're creating for our

3646
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:04,600
code enforcement and parking enforcement

3647
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:08,120
teams. Um so, that we we

3648
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:11,160
like situations similar.

3649
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:13,960
Uh, we feel like that's uh, an important

3650
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:16,600
and fundamental element of fairness.

3651
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:19,120
And we're we're citizens who are

3652
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:21,080
receiving tickets or warnings or

3653
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:24,280
whatever are doing so in an even way and

3654
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:25,440
they're not being treated differently

3655
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:27,000
because, you know, maybe the code

3656
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:28,320
enforcement officer's having a bad day

3657
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:30,120
or whatever. So, these guidelines will

3658
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:31,440
help them

3659
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:32,800
um,

3660
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:34,599
keep things consistent and fairness to

3661
02:16:34,599 --> 02:16:36,040
this.

3662
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:37,920
And the other thing um, that I want to

3663
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:40,280
talk about is our code changes that are

3664
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:43,280
being proposed. Um,

3665
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,400
both to help

3666
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:46,920
more effective code enforcement, but

3667
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:49,440
also in some cases to to create some

3668
02:16:49,440 --> 02:16:51,000
more leniency

3669
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:52,760
um, where where we feel like it's

3670
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:56,040
appropriate. So, uh, just as an

3671
02:16:56,040 --> 02:16:57,360
overview,

3672
02:16:57,360 --> 02:16:59,040
I we refer to code enforcement and

3673
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,760
parking as two different things. Often

3674
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,400
the public views them as the same, um,

3675
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:06,519
but at the city we have a code

3676
02:17:06,519 --> 02:17:07,960
enforcement team and a parking

3677
02:17:07,960 --> 02:17:10,160
enforcement team. They're both under the

3678
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,200
police department. Um, but the

3679
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:15,320
enforcement mechanisms are ruled by two

3680
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:17,440
different codes in our city code. And

3681
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:18,920
so, the processes are different and

3682
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:20,840
that's why we treat them differently.

3683
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:22,320
Um,

3684
02:17:22,320 --> 02:17:24,280
as a general rule our code enforcement

3685
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:25,960
is going to be handling

3686
02:17:25,960 --> 02:17:28,519
city code violations that occur on a on

3687
02:17:28,519 --> 02:17:30,920
a person's property.

3688
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:32,200
Whereas a

3689
02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:34,320
um, a parking enforcement team is going

3690
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,040
to be focused only on uh,

3691
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:40,120
again, generally speaking, on um,

3692
02:17:40,120 --> 02:17:42,000
parking violations that occur on public

3693
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:43,920
streets. So, that's kind of the division

3694
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:45,040
of the jurisdiction of those two

3695
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:47,200
different teams. Private property,

3696
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:48,719
public streets.

3697
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:53,230
Um,

3698
02:17:53,240 --> 02:17:55,360
I'm going to go over our code

3699
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:57,360
enforcement process really quick just so

3700
02:17:57,360 --> 02:17:59,040
everybody understands.

3701
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,840
Um, if if a neighbor

3702
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:03,519
uh

3703
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:06,480
Well, if a person has a bunch of junk

3704
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:08,480
all over their yard and a neighbor is

3705
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:10,320
concerned about it, they'll contact our

3706
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:12,480
code enforcement team

3707
02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:14,040
and say, "Hey, I need I want you to go

3708
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:15,639
look at this." or whatever. Or if

3709
02:18:15,639 --> 02:18:17,760
there's any other code violation, the

3710
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:19,960
code enforcement team will then receive

3711
02:18:19,960 --> 02:18:22,320
that complaint and and they'll

3712
02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:23,599
investigate. They'll do their initial

3713
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:26,120
investigation within one business day.

3714
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:27,480
Um they're they're pretty good about

3715
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:29,840
doing that. Um

3716
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:33,960
Some investigations take more time than

3717
02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:35,960
others. So, for example, if the

3718
02:18:35,960 --> 02:18:38,760
complaint is junk, it's easy to go, take

3719
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:42,559
a photo of all the junk in the yard, and you're done. You know that you've

3720
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:44,040
got a violation.

3721
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:46,040
Um something that's more difficult often

3722
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:47,320
and and often takes a little bit more

3723
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:49,200
time to complete a an investigation on

3724
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:50,840
would be something like

3725
02:18:50,840 --> 02:18:53,519
occupancy in a house. Too many unrelated

3726
02:18:53,519 --> 02:18:56,599
people living in a home. Um it takes

3727
02:18:56,599 --> 02:18:57,960
some more time.

3728
02:18:57,960 --> 02:19:00,840
Uh so Uh just depending on the level of

3729
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:03,120
complexity of the complaint, but within

3730
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:06,519
one business day, they're

3731
02:19:06,519 --> 02:19:08,200
making their first contact at the

3732
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:10,000
property and attempting to to

3733
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:11,480
investigate that.

3734
02:19:11,480 --> 02:19:12,840
Um

3735
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:14,880
If our code enforcement team determines

3736
02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:16,519
that there is a violation, they will

3737
02:19:16,519 --> 02:19:18,599
send a warning letter to the property

3738
02:19:18,599 --> 02:19:20,200
owner and they will say,

3739
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:22,880
"Um Here is the code violation. This is

3740
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:24,080
what you need to do to come into

3741
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,920
compliance with the code, and you have X

3742
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:30,880
number of days to come into compliance."

3743
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:34,679
Uh we find that about 70% of

3744
02:19:34,679 --> 02:19:36,400
issues get

3745
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:38,800
resolved with the warning letter.

3746
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:41,400
Um so, that's that's a relatively high

3747
02:19:41,400 --> 02:19:42,840
compliance rate.

3748
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:46,599
Um If after that X number of days,

3749
02:19:46,599 --> 02:19:48,040
the property doesn't come into

3750
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:50,520
compliance, usually then the code

3751
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:52,160
enforcement officer will will send a

3752
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,000
citation to the property owner and will

3753
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,920
say, uh

3754
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:58,240
"Here Here's a fine, $50 for each one of

3755
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:00,880
the code violations that still exists.

3756
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,760
Um

3757
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:04,680
Please fix them.

3758
02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:07,200
You have X number of days to fix it. So,

3759
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:11,520
almost like a warning again, only this time it comes with a fine.

3760
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:13,640
We find that after receiving a citation,

3761
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:15,200
about 90% of properties come into

3762
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:16,520
compliance.

3763
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:18,760
Uh, we then, if the property still is

3764
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:20,440
out of compliance, issue what is called

3765
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:22,800
a summons. Uh, or an administrative

3766
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:24,800
summons, where

3767
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,080
we

3768
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:28,960
It is what a legal summons is. We say,

3769
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:30,640
"Hey, you're you're being summoned in to

3770
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:32,560
our administrative court.

3771
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:35,080
And, um, we're going to hold a hearing

3772
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:36,280
to address your case in front of a

3773
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:37,600
judge.

3774
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:39,000
Uh, and it's going to be held on this

3775
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:40,120
day."

3776
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:42,000
And, um

3777
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,760
95% of people after receiving the

3778
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:45,160
summons

3779
02:20:45,160 --> 02:20:46,720
come into compliance prior to their

3780
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:49,000
court date.

3781
02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:51,240
Uh, then, you have that small number who

3782
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:56,760
actually come into court, where we'll hold a hearing. And, um

3783
02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:58,560
if if the judge determines that there is

3784
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:00,960
a code violation, you will start

3785
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:03,800
imposing fines at a rate of $50 a day.

3786
02:21:03,800 --> 02:21:05,360
So, they start racking up fairly

3787
02:21:05,360 --> 02:21:06,680
quickly.

3788
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:08,800
Um, and then,

3789
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:11,230
uh

3790
02:21:11,240 --> 02:21:13,080
once once he's made a finding like that

3791
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:16,120
and started, uh, threatening

3792
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:18,480
those recurring fines, we find that the

3793
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:21,560
vast vast majority of our problems get

3794
02:21:21,560 --> 02:21:22,680
uh

3795
02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:25,160
get resolved fairly quickly after that

3796
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:27,200
point. Some of those cases can drag out,

3797
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,920
unfortunately. Um, but but generally

3798
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:31,120
speaking,

3799
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:32,960
uh, most of them

3800
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:33,960
once they've appeared in front of a

3801
02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:35,720
judge, are are more willing to to

3802
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:37,080
comply.

3803
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:39,280
So, so that's kind of the process.

3804
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:42,680
Um, this here is the matrix

3805
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:44,760
for Well, half of it I

3806
02:21:44,760 --> 02:21:46,720
It's too big to fit on one page, so I

3807
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,960
split it up. So, this is the matrix for

3808
02:21:49,960 --> 02:21:52,440
the code enforcement. And and like I

3809
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:54,640
said, what this is is it

3810
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:56,680
provides the guidelines for the code

3811
02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:58,960
enforcement so that that team is

3812
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:02,240
consistently applying um

3813
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:04,560
the law

3814
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:06,080
independent of whether or not the

3815
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:07,920
property or

3816
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:09,920
independent of which code enforcement

3817
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:12,080
officer is doing it, right? It works to

3818
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:14,480
bring standard standardize things.

3819
02:22:14,480 --> 02:22:16,800
Um and so what we did is we chose

3820
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,880
uh the highest number of our complaints.

3821
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:22,960
I think it was the top like 95% of our

3822
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:26,520
complaints are found in this matrix.

3823
02:22:26,520 --> 02:22:29,520
And and what we have here

3824
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:30,840
where uh

3825
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:31,880
No.

3826
02:22:31,880 --> 02:22:34,720
In the first column, we have the

3827
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:36,920
violation with the code section. In the

3828
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:40,200
second column, we have in bold uh the

3829
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:42,360
actual language from the ordinance.

3830
02:22:42,360 --> 02:22:43,360
Um

3831
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:46,600
and then underneath it, we have kind of

3832
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:48,160
the remedy or what the person needs to

3833
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,560
do to come into compliance if they

3834
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:51,240
violate that code.

3835
02:22:51,240 --> 02:22:52,680
In the third column, you'll see a number

3836
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:55,600
of days. And And that is what I referred

3837
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:57,120
That's the number of days that they will

3838
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:59,360
put on the warning. So

3839
02:22:59,360 --> 02:23:00,800
uh for example, on the top there, if

3840
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,040
they have uh unregistered vehicles on

3841
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:05,520
the property, they have 14 They'll

3842
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:06,920
receive a warning letter that says you

3843
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:08,480
have 14 days to remove these

3844
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:10,080
unregistered cars or to get them

3845
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:12,280
registered.

3846
02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:13,120
Okay.

3847
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:14,680
Um and after the 14 days, if they

3848
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:16,040
haven't done that, then they'll receive

3849
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:18,760
a citation saying you have 14 more days

3850
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:21,680
to do this or you'll receive a summons.

3851
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,720
Um and so that That's what the number of

3852
02:23:23,720 --> 02:23:25,680
days is for.

3853
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:28,320
The last column is

3854
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:29,800
uh

3855
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:32,960
common exceptions to the first to the

3856
02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:34,520
first rule in terms of the number of

3857
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:36,480
days. So for example,

3858
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:38,600
uh with the registered vehicle,

3859
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:40,160
you have 14 days to register your

3860
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,200
vehicle after you receive your warning

3861
02:23:42,200 --> 02:23:44,240
unless you contact

3862
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:46,600
code enforcement team in them, "Hey, the

3863
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:48,240
reason it's not registered is because

3864
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:49,840
I'm missing the vehicle title, which is

3865
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:52,680
a common issue, right? People can't

3866
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:54,240
register your vehicle until you've

3867
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:57,600
received title on it. Um and there are

3868
02:23:57,600 --> 02:23:59,040
all sorts of reasons why a person might

3869
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:01,840
not have a title for their vehicle. Um

3870
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,920
but if if they certify to us

3871
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:05,600
Yeah.

3872
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,560
If they certify to us that that is the

3873
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:09,240
issue, we'll give them an additional 60

3874
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:10,920
days cuz we know that it takes time to

3875
02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:13,520
work that out with the DMV. And again,

3876
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:16,560
what we're looking to do here is enforce

3877
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:18,240
in a reasonable manner.

3878
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:20,000
And so where where there's a reasonable

3879
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,400
reason for it to take more time

3880
02:24:22,400 --> 02:24:24,680
or we're offering additional time and

3881
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:26,360
we're working.

3882
02:24:26,360 --> 02:24:28,040
Um

3883
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:31,200
Outside of these days, what we expect uh

3884
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:34,040
our code enforcement team to do and I'm

3885
02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:35,120
um

3886
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:36,280
well,

3887
02:24:36,280 --> 02:24:37,480
is

3888
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:40,720
uh if if they give a time table that is

3889
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:41,920
different than this, they need to

3890
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,040
document the reason why.

3891
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:46,600
Um and and has to be a well,

3892
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:48,520
a logical, valid, fair reason for why

3893
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:51,360
we're deviating for this from this.

3894
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:54,150
Excuse me. Um

3895
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:57,710
I guess

3896
02:24:57,720 --> 02:24:59,280
I I believe everyone on the council has

3897
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:01,880
seen this this uh

3898
02:25:01,880 --> 02:25:05,120
table here and this one. Are there Would

3899
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,600
you like me to go through each one or

3900
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:09,280
are there specific ones you want to talk

3901
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:12,750
about?

3902
02:25:12,760 --> 02:25:13,400
That's what I mean by

3903
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:15,880
>> maybe to start.

3904
02:25:15,880 --> 02:25:18,080
Aaron, this is really helpful. I I'm

3905
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:19,120
thrilled that we're trying to

3906
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:20,760
standardize it

3907
02:25:20,760 --> 02:25:23,440
and make it as fair as possible.

3908
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:25,880
What do you anticipate will be different

3909
02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:27,920
and maybe this is for you, Jonathan, as

3910
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:29,520
well. What will be different after

3911
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:33,480
adopting this than what we had?

3912
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:36,710
Well, um

3913
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:37,800
So,

3914
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:43,200
part of the reason we're adopting this is because we'll get

3915
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:46,120
a neighbor who calls in a complaint.

3916
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:48,200
And then

3917
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:50,920
they won't see immediate correction.

3918
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:52,160
And they'll call in and say, "Hey,

3919
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:53,560
what's going on? Why isn't this fixed

3920
02:25:53,560 --> 02:25:54,440
yet?"

3921
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:58,430
And the fact is is that um

3922
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:00,440
some of these issues take a while to

3923
02:26:00,440 --> 02:26:01,720
resolve.

3924
02:26:01,720 --> 02:26:06,000
And so we we're adopting this both

3925
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:08,480
to create fairness and standardization

3926
02:26:08,480 --> 02:26:09,760
so that everybody's treated the same,

3927
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,560
but also so that we can help

3928
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:13,960
the public understand that hey, we're

3929
02:26:13,960 --> 02:26:16,680
following our our standard guidelines.

3930
02:26:16,680 --> 02:26:18,280
And and these are these are kind of the

3931
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:20,720
guidelines that you can expect to see

3932
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:24,640
this these different actions taken.

3933
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:27,360
To help neighbors understand um this is

3934
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:29,520
why it's not resolved yet or this is the

3935
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:32,000
stage that we're at in the process. Does

3936
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:32,920
that make sense?

3937
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:35,280
>> So a lot of it communication. I think

3938
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,240
that's great.

3939
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:40,240
Um is there anything here that we have

3940
02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:42,400
chosen to do differently

3941
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:44,440
than we were doing last year?

3942
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:46,520
Um and if so, how did we come to that

3943
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:47,880
conclusion?

3944
02:26:47,880 --> 02:26:51,510
>> Um so

3945
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:52,480
Yeah,

3946
02:26:52,480 --> 02:26:55,520
prior to this our code enforcement

3947
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:57,560
officers would use kind of their best

3948
02:26:57,560 --> 02:26:59,520
judgment in terms of this is how long I

3949
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,720
think they should take to get done.

3950
02:27:01,720 --> 02:27:03,760
Um and there's an advantage to that in

3951
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:05,520
the sense that not every situation is

3952
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:07,440
exactly the same, right?

3953
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:10,840
Um every every messy junk in yard has a

3954
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:13,640
different level of junk.

3955
02:27:13,640 --> 02:27:17,400
Uh and and and the reason why it's there

3956
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:22,470
and why it's difficult to remove. Um

3957
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:25,040
but different code enforcement officers

3958
02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:28,200
also have different judgment on that.

3959
02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:31,720
And and so this helps standardize it. So

3960
02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:32,760
that

3961
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:35,190
um

3962
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:36,800
if you're a property owner and you're

3963
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,840
getting one of these warnings, you don't

3964
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:40,280
get

3965
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:43,520
5 days or 30 days just based on the luck

3966
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,560
of which code enforcement officer was

3967
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:46,440
assigned to.

3968
02:27:46,440 --> 02:27:47,560
>> The reality is people are getting

3969
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:49,040
different treatment.

3970
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:50,960
>> Yes. Yes, that that that that was a

3971
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:52,200
potential problem.

3972
02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:53,440
>> Some of this is the ability of the

3973
02:27:53,440 --> 02:27:56,480
homeowner to, you know, their resources,

3974
02:27:56,480 --> 02:27:58,840
their who they know,

3975
02:27:58,840 --> 02:27:59,640
what

3976
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:01,800
facilities or equipment they have to get

3977
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:02,920
rid of them.

3978
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:04,200
So,

3979
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:06,560
this just gives us guidelines

3980
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:10,600
to say so many days you have and we

3981
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:13,520
won't let them at nauseam to bring them

3982
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:14,880
into compliance.

3983
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:17,400
Um the problem is you guys get the phone

3984
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:19,840
calls as to we are doing nothing

3985
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:23,440
when in fact we are following

3986
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:26,080
and that gives you the

3987
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:28,960
turn to the constituents to say we're

3988
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:31,160
following the guidelines and we are

3989
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:32,520
getting it done.

3990
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:33,800
So,

3991
02:28:33,800 --> 02:28:36,480
last I'll say in the last 2 years I've

3992
02:28:36,480 --> 02:28:38,360
received probably

3993
02:28:38,360 --> 02:28:42,000
18, 20 phone phone calls regarding NIT

3994
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:43,080
stuff.

3995
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:45,360
I have yet to have one where we have

3996
02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:47,440
dropped the ball and we are just doing

3997
02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:48,480
nothing.

3998
02:28:48,480 --> 02:28:53,430
It's got lost in the weeds, so to speak.

3999
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:54,360
extension

4000
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:55,280
No.

4001
02:28:55,280 --> 02:29:00,360
And then what we're doing now is we're helping them to get into

4002
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:02,600
extensions or days off or helping them

4003
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:05,200
to get a trailer. So, to me this gives

4004
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,160
our NIT guys

4005
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:09,960
the ability to enforce equally. It gives

4006
02:29:09,960 --> 02:29:12,840
you guys the ability to have expectation

4007
02:29:12,840 --> 02:29:14,880
as to what's reasonable

4008
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:16,800
and to talk to your constituents when

4009
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:18,080
they call

4010
02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:19,560
say

4011
02:29:19,560 --> 02:29:20,880
what's up.

4012
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:22,600
>> And then and then I would say looking

4013
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:24,240
forward

4014
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:27,360
you may help us to to be more efficient,

4015
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:31,320
effective like and and report back uh

4016
02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:33,720
through Connect Orlando or

4017
02:29:33,720 --> 02:29:35,240
you know, there may be ways to sort of

4018
02:29:35,240 --> 02:29:40,480
automate communication or automate

4019
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:42,720
status updates.

4020
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:44,480
Possibly

4021
02:29:44,480 --> 02:29:46,840
if our our code enforcement

4022
02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:48,920
people know that

4023
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:51,040
this is the matrix, these are the the

4024
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,520
framework then they can go with

4025
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:56,480
confidence to to to enforce it and gauge

4026
02:29:56,480 --> 02:29:57,600
and then

4027
02:29:57,600 --> 02:29:59,160
hopefully that allows us to be able to

4028
02:29:59,160 --> 02:30:01,520
communicate these here.

4029
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:03,960
level of software in the future.

4030
02:30:03,960 --> 02:30:05,400
>> But I guess that's kind of my question

4031
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:06,880
is you know, I've always is the

4032
02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:09,080
transparency. At what point is it a

4033
02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:11,200
protected process, protected record

4034
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:16,200
process? to to enforce the point of

4035
02:30:16,200 --> 02:30:18,960
Basically they tell the neighbor that

4036
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:19,920
it's my

4037
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:22,680
you know, how much is public, how much

4038
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:24,600
is not. I would like to have that

4039
02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:27,640
defined so we can say

4040
02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:30,120
with an extension or

4041
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:31,800
this organization should be here's the

4042
02:30:31,800 --> 02:30:33,880
court date. You you know,

4043
02:30:33,880 --> 02:30:35,320
if we could I don't know that we have to

4044
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:36,840
tell them everything but if we could

4045
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:39,360
figure out what the balance is there

4046
02:30:39,360 --> 02:30:40,520
that would be helpful.

4047
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:44,880
>> This I think this matrix will better help our NIT to

4048
02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:46,240
better thread the needle of what we're

4049
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:47,800
trying to do

4050
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:50,040
and without

4051
02:30:50,040 --> 02:30:52,120
fines or enforcement.

4052
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:53,640
Flip side if you're the one living next

4053
02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:55,560
to it and you're the one saying why is

4054
02:30:55,560 --> 02:30:57,000
this not

4055
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:58,840
fixed. That's what that's what we're

4056
02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:00,480
trying to thread is that needle and I

4057
02:31:00,480 --> 02:31:01,960
think this helps us out.

4058
02:31:01,960 --> 02:31:04,320
>> I I can I clarify that one more thing? I

4059
02:31:04,320 --> 02:31:06,520
would not want to

4060
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:08,400
encumber these complaints with the

4061
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:10,920
grammar request requirement. If we can

4062
02:31:10,920 --> 02:31:12,320
somehow

4063
02:31:12,320 --> 02:31:14,160
give them updates without having to go

4064
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:16,160
through the grammar process

4065
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,560
that

4066
02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:20,560
>> Um so so I'm uncomfortable with giving

4067
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:23,080
them documents outside of the grammar

4068
02:31:23,080 --> 02:31:26,360
process. I think we could work out as a

4069
02:31:26,360 --> 02:31:28,120
way where

4070
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:30,680
they could, you know, contact

4071
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:32,600
uh a code enforcement officer and say

4072
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:34,360
what's the status and the the code

4073
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:36,120
enforcement officer could reply back

4074
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:37,640
saying this is the status or this is

4075
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:38,400
where it's at.

4076
02:31:38,400 --> 02:31:39,440
>> Okay. And I don't have a problem with

4077
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:41,800
there if you have standard replies.

4078
02:31:41,800 --> 02:31:43,560
Okay. So, it's not have to be the same

4079
02:31:43,560 --> 02:31:44,760
thing with our code enforcement

4080
02:31:44,760 --> 02:31:46,320
officers. If there's a

4081
02:31:46,320 --> 02:31:47,920
admin or something that helps them, they

4082
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,320
could say,

4083
02:31:49,320 --> 02:31:50,880
you know, well, I look on the calendar,

4084
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:53,360
it's this is where it's sitting.

4085
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:55,160
I don't You know what I mean? I'm okay

4086
02:31:55,160 --> 02:31:57,120
with that, too.

4087
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:58,560
>> Okay.

4088
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:00,960
>> At one point, we were talking about

4089
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:02,480
changing the name

4090
02:32:02,480 --> 02:32:05,000
of NIT to code enforcement.

4091
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:06,480
Is that part of this process or

4092
02:32:06,480 --> 02:32:07,880
>> It is. Yep.

4093
02:32:07,880 --> 02:32:08,680
>> That

4094
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:10,480
um

4095
02:32:10,480 --> 02:32:12,120
>> That's another part of it.

4096
02:32:12,120 --> 02:32:13,280
We'll get there.

4097
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:14,720
>> Okay.

4098
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:18,000
>> Um so so this is the NIT matrix.

4099
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:21,630
Uh oh, and there you go.

4100
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:23,120
So, there's there's just some some

4101
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,880
changes that we are proposing uh for

4102
02:32:25,880 --> 02:32:26,800
city

4103
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:29,680
enforcement. Um and basically, we're

4104
02:32:29,680 --> 02:32:31,000
looking for the council's blessing on

4105
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:32,960
this. One is to change the name from

4106
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:34,080
neighborhood improvement team to code

4107
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:39,550
enforcement team. There's the

4108
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:42,080
There can be some confusion um among

4109
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:44,360
residents by the by the name

4110
02:32:44,360 --> 02:32:46,160
neighborhood improvement team cuz it

4111
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:48,640
sounds like it's a

4112
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:51,760
more of a voluntary thing, that's

4113
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:53,640
a neighborhood organization as opposed

4114
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:55,800
to a city

4115
02:32:55,800 --> 02:32:58,960
um enforcement entity.

4116
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:00,960
Um uh whereas code enforcement team, I

4117
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:03,240
think is very clear. If you get a letter

4118
02:33:03,240 --> 02:33:04,320
from the neighborhood improvement team,

4119
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:07,360
you're like, are these like the HOA

4120
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:10,040
Nazis coming after me, you know? We

4121
02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:12,120
don't even have an HOA. What is this?

4122
02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:14,240
Where Whereas, if it says the Orem City

4123
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:15,880
Code Enforcement Team, we're going to

4124
02:33:15,880 --> 02:33:18,440
understand, okay, this is uh

4125
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:19,840
this is serious business. I need to know

4126
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,640
this. Which which goes to the next uh

4127
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,680
bullet point, which is we want to adjust

4128
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:26,040
our warning letter to make it clear that

4129
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:28,200
the remedial action is requested as

4130
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:31,200
mandatory as opposed to recommended. Um

4131
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:32,920
when when it was initially written, the

4132
02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:34,520
city council

4133
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:37,240
uh wanted to be soft in our approach. We

4134
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:39,920
don't We didn't want to come off as too

4135
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,560
aggressive and mean. We don't want to be

4136
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:42,720
mean.

4137
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,360
But we do want to be clear that the

4138
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:49,360
action is required, not recommended.

4139
02:33:49,360 --> 02:33:51,720
And and and the current language refers

4140
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:53,800
to recommended action.

4141
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:56,480
So we would like to take a look at that

4142
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:57,760
and and re-

4143
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:59,400
and change it up.

4144
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:00,680
Um

4145
02:34:00,680 --> 02:34:02,240
Currently, when we send out a citation

4146
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:04,080
or summons, we don't always include the

4147
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:05,840
warning, and that's something that we

4148
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:08,640
need to change to help the property

4149
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:09,440
owners

4150
02:34:09,440 --> 02:34:11,000
better understand, okay, there's there's

4151
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:13,160
a history here, and

4152
02:34:13,160 --> 02:34:14,400
this is where it started, and this is

4153
02:34:14,400 --> 02:34:17,360
kind of where we're going. Um

4154
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:19,400
And then another thing uh that we

4155
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:21,840
discovered we can do better as a code

4156
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:23,520
enforcement team is include better

4157
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:26,120
contact information on the warnings, so

4158
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:28,360
that when a homeowner receives it, they

4159
02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:31,080
can If they have questions, they can

4160
02:34:31,080 --> 02:34:32,320
call

4161
02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:34,160
uh or email our code enforcement team

4162
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:36,080
and say, "Okay, I'm I'm confused about

4163
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:37,400
what action I need to do to come into

4164
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:38,600
compliance."

4165
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:40,000
So So those are some things that we

4166
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:44,190
discovered we needed to do.

4167
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:45,880
Questions there?

4168
02:34:45,880 --> 02:34:47,720
Any of that?

4169
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:49,720
Yes.

4170
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:51,120
This is uh

4171
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:52,840
the parking uh

4172
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:54,800
matrix, which again is on two slides

4173
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:56,040
because

4174
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:58,720
uh it was too big on the one.

4175
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:01,680
Big on one. Um

4176
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:06,520
On this one, we have violations that our our parking enforcement team

4177
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:08,520
have identified as safety violations,

4178
02:35:08,520 --> 02:35:10,720
and then on the other one are non-safety

4179
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:13,720
violations. Um

4180
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:16,360
Uh part of the impetus for this similar

4181
02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:19,160
to the DNI team matrix in the sense that

4182
02:35:19,160 --> 02:35:20,720
um some parking enforcement officials

4183
02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:22,120
were giving warnings for some things,

4184
02:35:22,120 --> 02:35:23,920
others weren't. We wanted to standardize

4185
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:27,680
that. We also wanted um our policies

4186
02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:30,280
regarding warnings to come more in due

4187
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:32,440
compliance with what the council felt

4188
02:35:32,440 --> 02:35:35,080
was important in terms of educating the

4189
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:37,000
public for maybe some of the non-safety

4190
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,240
issues.

4191
02:35:39,240 --> 02:35:41,560
Giving out more warnings for those in an

4192
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:43,320
effort to educate

4193
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:46,720
uh prior to being punitive in giving out

4194
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:49,080
citations and bonds.

4195
02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:51,510
Um

4196
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:53,040
And so

4197
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:56,240
uh are there any questions about the

4198
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:58,280
parking matrices? This again is

4199
02:35:58,280 --> 02:35:59,640
something that I believe you've all

4200
02:35:59,640 --> 02:36:00,760
seen.

4201
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:03,750
Um

4202
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:05,240
Are there specific violations you want

4203
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:07,760
to discuss or more general

4204
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:08,680
policy issues?

4205
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:11,320
>> a just a quick question or Thank you for

4206
02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:13,160
this for the clarification.

4207
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:15,080
I noticed one of them

4208
02:36:15,080 --> 02:36:17,320
that said something about junk cars in

4209
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:19,240
the backyard

4210
02:36:19,240 --> 02:36:21,400
without a little pink fence.

4211
02:36:21,400 --> 02:36:22,680
>> Yes.

4212
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:24,160
>> Yeah, I always thought that if it was in

4213
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:26,280
the backyard I I the reason I I

4214
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:27,680
mentioned this is I just got an email

4215
02:36:27,680 --> 02:36:29,920
the other day from a lady whose

4216
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:32,360
backyard neighbor has a bunch of

4217
02:36:32,360 --> 02:36:34,520
vehicles in the backyard

4218
02:36:34,520 --> 02:36:36,240
and they have a chain link fence and

4219
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:37,880
she's like tired of looking at this

4220
02:36:37,880 --> 02:36:39,400
junk.

4221
02:36:39,400 --> 02:36:40,520
We do.

4222
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:41,640
So.

4223
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:43,520
>> Yes, so so our ordinance does currently

4224
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:45,480
allow you to have two junk cars in the

4225
02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:47,000
backyard

4226
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:48,280
but it has to be behind a little pink

4227
02:36:48,280 --> 02:36:49,720
fence.

4228
02:36:49,720 --> 02:36:51,200
So so that that would be a violation

4229
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:52,960
that they could contact and give out.

4230
02:36:52,960 --> 02:36:54,640
>> There's a redneck joke somewhere I'm

4231
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:57,590
sure.

4232
02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:58,720
» We had more than

4233
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:01,040
>> Yes.

4234
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:02,520
I don't think we uh sorry.

4235
02:37:02,520 --> 02:37:04,560
>> Okay. Any other questions or concerns

4236
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:06,760
about these?

4237
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:07,720
>> Okay.

4238
02:37:07,720 --> 02:37:09,080
>> Um

4239
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:11,160
changes to parking enforcement policy.

4240
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:13,120
In the past warnings have been vehicle

4241
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,840
specific, but not violation specific. Um

4242
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:18,240
in an effort

4243
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:20,840
again to to make our warnings more

4244
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:23,520
effective as educational tools and not

4245
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:25,120
punitive tools,

4246
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:27,760
uh we're we're we want to expand

4247
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:28,880
how warnings are given so that they're

4248
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:30,480
violation specific instead of vehicle

4249
02:37:30,480 --> 02:37:34,360
specific, meaning

4250
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:36,880
uh you know, if I angle park in a place

4251
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:38,800
where I'm not allowed to, I'll get a

4252
02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:41,080
warning for the first time for that. And

4253
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:43,080
then if I'm

4254
02:37:43,080 --> 02:37:44,320
uh I'm trying to remember what we get

4255
02:37:44,320 --> 02:37:46,120
warnings for.

4256
02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:47,600
If I'm

4257
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:48,320
uh

4258
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:50,840
parking in a neighborhood uh without a

4259
02:37:50,840 --> 02:37:52,200
permit,

4260
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:54,440
um

4261
02:37:54,440 --> 02:37:55,880
then I will also get a warning for that.

4262
02:37:55,880 --> 02:37:57,320
Whereas in the past, I would have gotten

4263
02:37:57,320 --> 02:37:58,800
a warning only for the first violation

4264
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:01,400
and not for the second one. Um

4265
02:38:01,400 --> 02:38:02,440
that just seems kind of intuitive in

4266
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:04,440
terms of education because I hadn't yet

4267
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:06,360
been educated on uh

4268
02:38:06,360 --> 02:38:07,600
on the

4269
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:09,160
uh

4270
02:38:09,160 --> 02:38:10,440
specific need for the need for the

4271
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:12,760
permit in the the neighborhood permit.

4272
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:15,510
Um

4273
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:18,760
Uh we also uh would like to include a

4274
02:38:18,760 --> 02:38:20,800
bit more of an explanation about the

4275
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:23,040
parking violation with the warning again

4276
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:23,760
uh

4277
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,520
in an effort to help educate uh as

4278
02:38:26,520 --> 02:38:28,680
opposed to just citing a code saying,

4279
02:38:28,680 --> 02:38:32,760
"Hey, this is the code and this is the way that the parking was

4280
02:38:32,760 --> 02:38:36,200
done illegally." And then um

4281
02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:37,840
you'll see on our matrix

4282
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:39,960
if someone gets a ticket for parking

4283
02:38:39,960 --> 02:38:41,920
with expired registration, our policy

4284
02:38:41,920 --> 02:38:44,840
has always been if you get it

4285
02:38:44,840 --> 02:38:46,080
if you get your car registered in with

4286
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:47,760
four within 14 days, we'll just dismiss

4287
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:51,360
the ticket entirely. Um however, that is

4288
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:53,120
never really been communicated to them

4289
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:54,440
on the warning ticket. So, it was just

4290
02:38:54,440 --> 02:38:56,760
kind of

4291
02:38:56,760 --> 02:38:58,480
policy is we'd do it, but you as the

4292
02:38:58,480 --> 02:38:59,720
person on the receiving end didn't know

4293
02:38:59,720 --> 02:39:01,320
about the policy. So, that needs to be

4294
02:39:01,320 --> 02:39:04,150
included there.

4295
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:10,510
Um Okay.

4296
02:39:10,520 --> 02:39:12,120
Wait.

4297
02:39:12,120 --> 02:39:14,360
Like I said, the last element are just

4298
02:39:14,360 --> 02:39:17,120
some code changes we want to

4299
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:19,800
suggest. Um

4300
02:39:19,800 --> 02:39:21,160
but I'm out of time, so maybe I'll come

4301
02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:22,240
back to do that another time.

4302
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:24,080
>> You're okay, Council.

4303
02:39:24,080 --> 02:39:27,320
So, I apologize that we ran out of time.

4304
02:39:27,320 --> 02:39:28,240
If I can

4305
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:28,680
>> I apologize.

4306
02:39:28,680 --> 02:39:31,680
>> It's, you know, my fault that didn't uh

4307
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:34,080
correctly anticipate the discussion and

4308
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:37,440
presentation amounts. Uh so, like with

4309
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:39,360
some of these, we'll come back with a

4310
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:41,400
follow-up on this

4311
02:39:41,400 --> 02:39:43,000
presentation and make sure that

4312
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:45,960
have opportunity to ask

4313
02:39:45,960 --> 02:39:48,600
questions and and give direction. All

4314
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:51,400
right. We'll fight on that.

4315
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:53,800
Probably in our next work session

4316
02:39:53,800 --> 02:39:55,400
prior to

4317
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:57,400
uh an adoption of

4318
02:39:57,400 --> 02:39:59,280
changes that then have the adoption.

4319
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:01,680
Thank you.

4320
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,440
All right.

4321
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:06,240
Next item on our agenda

4322
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:08,800
is an opportunity for Council members

4323
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:11,520
Meekam and Millett to give City Council

4324
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:12,640
reports. So, we'll just go in that

4325
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:14,520
order. Council member Meekam, what you

4326
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:15,280
got?

4327
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,520
>> Commission reports for me.

4328
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:18,920
Uh

4329
02:40:18,920 --> 02:40:21,680
I can talk briefly about uh

4330
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:23,440
the Arts Commission and Arts Commission.

4331
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:25,840
Uh I'm also over the Care Tax Advisory

4332
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:28,200
Commission and the Library Commission.

4333
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:29,120
Um

4334
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:32,520
and uh we had we had a very successful

4335
02:40:32,520 --> 02:40:35,320
Care Tax Advisory um

4336
02:40:35,320 --> 02:40:38,040
season. Uh Jen Gale, of course, was with

4337
02:40:38,040 --> 02:40:39,600
me on that one.

4338
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:41,160
Um but a couple of good things are

4339
02:40:41,160 --> 02:40:44,960
happening. I I feel like uh

4340
02:40:44,960 --> 02:40:47,480
you know, this we had

4341
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:49,520
five of our seven

4342
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:50,840
commissioners

4343
02:40:50,840 --> 02:40:52,920
uh start

4344
02:40:52,920 --> 02:40:54,880
this year. Um

4345
02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:56,880
and I've been I'm really impressed with

4346
02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:59,080
the way that they've jumped in and

4347
02:40:59,080 --> 02:41:01,240
learned so quickly and uh I feel like

4348
02:41:01,240 --> 02:41:07,390
the discussion is really uh good. Um

4349
02:41:07,400 --> 02:41:09,080
Uh there's enough diversity on that

4350
02:41:09,080 --> 02:41:11,320
planning commission that we'll sometimes

4351
02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:13,080
have different perspectives on

4352
02:41:13,080 --> 02:41:14,440
individual issues and they're asking the

4353
02:41:14,440 --> 02:41:15,840
right kinds of questions and engaging

4354
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:18,160
with each other really respectful.

4355
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:20,080
I'm I'm feeling really good about the

4356
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:21,440
way

4357
02:41:21,440 --> 02:41:23,760
vision is getting its feet under it.

4358
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:25,400
Things are um

4359
02:41:25,400 --> 02:41:27,200
Arts Commission, one of the kind of

4360
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:29,000
exciting things that

4361
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:31,560
the Arts Commission uh has done in the

4362
02:41:31,560 --> 02:41:33,800
last couple of months is

4363
02:41:33,800 --> 02:41:35,520
that we have a lot of members of the

4364
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:37,120
community uh that would like to

4365
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:39,520
participate in some of our arts related

4366
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:41,480
things, but maybe there isn't a spot on

4367
02:41:41,480 --> 02:41:43,280
a commission for them.

4368
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:45,040
So, when we interviewed commission

4369
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:46,280
members,

4370
02:41:46,280 --> 02:41:47,040
uh

4371
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:49,000
he and I did that uh earlier in the

4372
02:41:49,000 --> 02:41:50,840
year. We discovered a lot of people that

4373
02:41:50,840 --> 02:41:51,880
we thought would be great commission

4374
02:41:51,880 --> 02:41:53,000
members, but we just didn't have a spot

4375
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:54,240
for them.

4376
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:55,960
So, uh

4377
02:41:55,960 --> 02:41:57,560
had a number of volunteers who have

4378
02:41:57,560 --> 02:41:58,400
wanted to get involved in the

4379
02:41:58,400 --> 02:41:59,920
subcommittees.

4380
02:41:59,920 --> 02:42:01,200
We created four subcommittees with the

4381
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:02,920
Arts Commission chaired by members of

4382
02:42:02,920 --> 02:42:04,160
the Arts Commission.

4383
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:06,880
And if it works then uh

4384
02:42:06,880 --> 02:42:09,560
um in between um meetings and then are

4385
02:42:09,560 --> 02:42:10,880
supervised by the Arts Commission

4386
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:12,600
themselves. So,

4387
02:42:12,600 --> 02:42:13,240
uh

4388
02:42:13,240 --> 02:42:14,520
I I think we're in a position where

4389
02:42:14,520 --> 02:42:15,960
we're going to get a lot done this year.

4390
02:42:15,960 --> 02:42:16,640
Excited about that.

4391
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:18,320
>> Good.

4392
02:42:18,320 --> 02:42:20,560
>> That That's awesome.

4393
02:42:20,560 --> 02:42:22,640
>> Thank you. Council member Miller.

4394
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:23,880
>> Yes, so

4395
02:42:23,880 --> 02:42:26,400
I'm um the Transportation Advisor

4396
02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:28,040
Commission is one of my assignments. The

4397
02:42:28,040 --> 02:42:30,480
UTA presentation was perfect with that.

4398
02:42:30,480 --> 02:42:34,000
We've had a presentation from UTA to

4399
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:36,560
UDot to our back and

4400
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:38,280
one of our big goals we're going to be

4401
02:42:38,280 --> 02:42:40,200
tackling this year is the UAR

4402
02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:41,720
transportation

4403
02:42:41,720 --> 02:42:45,480
right? Our ice and transportation plan.

4404
02:42:45,480 --> 02:42:47,480
It's finished mostly, already. Um

4405
02:42:47,480 --> 02:42:49,120
So, that um

4406
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:51,240
is going great. Great people on there.

4407
02:42:51,240 --> 02:42:53,520
The I'm not sure how to say this, but it

4408
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:55,600
used to be the rack, but now is Is

4409
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:57,960
Bryce? Are we the P-rack or the Prac?

4410
02:42:57,960 --> 02:43:00,120
>> Cool.

4411
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:02,600
>> And I like red.

4412
02:43:02,600 --> 02:43:04,960
>> That we're adding parks to the prac. The

4413
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:06,040
rec.

4414
02:43:06,040 --> 02:43:08,520
So, that has been uh

4415
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:10,360
super fun to be able to talk about

4416
02:43:10,360 --> 02:43:11,960
little things, great things happening.

4417
02:43:11,960 --> 02:43:14,800
I've just been in awe at how how well

4418
02:43:14,800 --> 02:43:15,880
our

4419
02:43:15,880 --> 02:43:18,400
parks and our recreation facilities are

4420
02:43:18,400 --> 02:43:20,840
run. So, big hats off and thank you to

4421
02:43:20,840 --> 02:43:21,720
that.

4422
02:43:21,720 --> 02:43:23,560
>> The park. Parks and recreation

4423
02:43:23,560 --> 02:43:24,440
commission.

4424
02:43:24,440 --> 02:43:25,320
>> Parks and rec.

4425
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:27,440
>> Park.

4426
02:43:27,440 --> 02:43:28,680
>> Hey.

4427
02:43:28,680 --> 02:43:29,800
>> That'll be noted. Yeah.

4428
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:31,560
>> Let's Maybe we'll talk about that. But,

4429
02:43:31,560 --> 02:43:32,360
um

4430
02:43:32,360 --> 02:43:34,480
so, just a couple wins, of course, the

4431
02:43:34,480 --> 02:43:36,040
dirt I'm going to talk about the dirt in

4432
02:43:36,040 --> 02:43:37,840
the ball fields, cuz who thinks about

4433
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:39,600
dirt in the ball fields, right? But, it

4434
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:41,560
was damaged and it was injuring little

4435
02:43:41,560 --> 02:43:43,200
kids, cuz there were little stones and

4436
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:44,040
things. So,

4437
02:43:44,040 --> 02:43:44,720
>> Don't mention it.

4438
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:46,360
>> huge win.

4439
02:43:46,360 --> 02:43:47,200
>> So, we fixed that.

4440
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:49,120
>> Of course, we use that dirt elsewhere.

4441
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:53,440
So, very thrifty of you. Um

4442
02:43:53,440 --> 02:43:55,000
We're also going to be working on our

4443
02:43:55,000 --> 02:43:56,560
active transportation and our trails

4444
02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:58,080
master plans, and then the trees

4445
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,240
initiative in our parks.

4446
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:03,200
Be a huge thing. Um yesterday, Jen and I

4447
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:05,480
went to the America 250, which will be

4448
02:44:05,480 --> 02:44:07,400
wrapping up July 4th. We'll know all of

4449
02:44:07,400 --> 02:44:09,480
the math committee work. But, this this

4450
02:44:09,480 --> 02:44:12,120
is the challenge. We uh Connie just

4451
02:44:12,120 --> 02:44:13,440
printed these out. If you haven't yet

4452
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:15,280
signed up for the challenge, and you

4453
02:44:15,280 --> 02:44:17,160
want to be considered for the super

4454
02:44:17,160 --> 02:44:19,640
grand prize, which will be given away

4455
02:44:19,640 --> 02:44:21,880
Memorial Day, is that Are you familiar

4456
02:44:21,880 --> 02:44:22,400
with this at all?

4457
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:24,200
>> I'm not sure the date on it, no.

4458
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:26,120
>> So, sometime around there. You know,

4459
02:44:26,120 --> 02:44:27,560
hurry and get your stuff done. But,

4460
02:44:27,560 --> 02:44:29,720
otherwise, you still have till July 4th

4461
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:31,920
to still get all of

4462
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:32,880
these through

4463
02:44:32,880 --> 02:44:35,280
for that. And just some exciting things.

4464
02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:38,600
Have some successful um concerts and and

4465
02:44:38,600 --> 02:44:40,120
some art show.

4466
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:42,960
A spark. Um let's see. I don't have the

4467
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:45,320
ULCT chart anymore. That was dis- That

4468
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:48,320
was discontinued new organization by the

4469
02:44:48,320 --> 02:44:49,480
governor.

4470
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:52,440
And then, um I'm like position two for

4471
02:44:52,440 --> 02:44:56,630
UVU. So, I can't go there. So.

4472
02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:57,920
» All right.

4473
02:44:57,920 --> 02:44:59,120
>> Thank you to both.

4474
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:00,800
>> Can I just mention one more thing? I

4475
02:45:00,800 --> 02:45:02,240
would associate with the library

4476
02:45:02,240 --> 02:45:03,720
advisory commission that

4477
02:45:03,720 --> 02:45:05,360
we have begun interviews for the library

4478
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:06,800
director.

4479
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:09,350
And

4480
02:45:09,360 --> 02:45:11,640
in-person interviews started today.

4481
02:45:11,640 --> 02:45:14,520
So, we anticipate that have news about

4482
02:45:14,520 --> 02:45:16,160
potential new library director in the

4483
02:45:16,160 --> 02:45:17,760
future.

4484
02:45:17,760 --> 02:45:19,680
>> Thank you for the library.

4485
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:22,040
>> I was curious about that.

4486
02:45:22,040 --> 02:45:23,920
>> All right, quickly going over some items

4487
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:26,640
on the agenda.

4488
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:28,760
We have a full list. Goes without saying

4489
02:45:28,760 --> 02:45:31,960
that we have a very full agenda today.

4490
02:45:31,960 --> 02:45:33,160
And

4491
02:45:33,160 --> 02:45:34,800
including if you get to wear a few

4492
02:45:34,800 --> 02:45:36,560
different hats, so you can see all the

4493
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:38,440
items where we'll be wearing our city

4494
02:45:38,440 --> 02:45:40,520
council hat.

4495
02:45:40,520 --> 02:45:42,560
And to those

4496
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,400
who have never gone through the budget

4497
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:47,200
this process before, if you turn to

4498
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:52,950
the item 12,

4499
02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,640
what is going to happen

4500
02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:55,840
is

4501
02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:57,360
we're going to need I'm going to need at

4502
02:45:57,360 --> 02:45:59,320
that point a motion

4503
02:45:59,320 --> 02:46:02,920
to adjourn from being a city council and

4504
02:46:02,920 --> 02:46:06,560
convening to be a redevelopment agency.

4505
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:08,240
And then you'll see we'll have certain

4506
02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:11,840
items that we'll need to approve as the

4507
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:14,720
redevelopment agency.

4508
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:17,680
And then on item 15, you'll see we'll

4509
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:20,040
adjourn from being the redevelopment

4510
02:46:20,040 --> 02:46:23,720
agency and to becoming the Orem special

4511
02:46:23,720 --> 02:46:26,600
service lighting district.

4512
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:29,200
And it looks like we do not reconvene as

4513
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:31,000
a city council, so we get to go home as

4514
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:33,840
a special service lighting district.

4515
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:35,560
>> And those will still take place in the

4516
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:36,360
chambers.

4517
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:38,760
>> It all takes place. Yep, because

4518
02:46:38,760 --> 02:46:39,880
we just

4519
02:46:39,880 --> 02:46:41,800
go through this different order. Like

4520
02:46:41,800 --> 02:46:43,440
through it and and then

4521
02:46:43,440 --> 02:46:45,040
Brandon will give us

4522
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:46,760
he'll do presentations on all of those

4523
02:46:46,760 --> 02:46:49,360
budgets, but we do have as a council, we

4524
02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:51,200
do have several different other

4525
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:53,280
responsibilities that we will take care

4526
02:46:53,280 --> 02:46:56,080
of take care of this evening as well.

4527
02:46:56,080 --> 02:46:58,200
So, on the city council agenda, you'll

4528
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:00,280
see we have a numerous presentations,

4529
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:01,800
giving machine, building safety

4530
02:47:01,800 --> 02:47:04,400
awareness month, National Police Week,

4531
02:47:04,400 --> 02:47:06,160
National Public Works Week, and then we

4532
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:08,480
have our youth council report.

4533
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:10,800
And then some consent items.

4534
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:13,560
Then we have personal appearances.

4535
02:47:13,560 --> 02:47:15,200
And we have four scheduled public

4536
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:16,640
hearings.

4537
02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:18,360
Showing up that right. Yep.

4538
02:47:18,360 --> 02:47:21,000
The four public hearings and then a few

4539
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,360
items that don't require public hearing.

4540
02:47:24,360 --> 02:47:25,720
And

4541
02:47:25,720 --> 02:47:28,680
part of that will I think it's some

4542
02:47:28,680 --> 02:47:30,360
those will come the public will have the

4543
02:47:30,360 --> 02:47:35,640
opportunity to to weigh in on those at other opportunities.

4544
02:47:35,640 --> 02:47:37,200
Uh like the care tax, that'll be part of

4545
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:38,880
the budget. Uh

4546
02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:41,440
as well as the public safety special

4547
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:44,360
revenue fund and then

4548
02:47:44,360 --> 02:47:45,880
And Brandon, it looks like you get to

4549
02:47:45,880 --> 02:47:48,320
make some sort of statement.

4550
02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:49,040
>> You.

4551
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:51,400
>> To make a statement of intent.

4552
02:47:51,400 --> 02:47:53,920
We do have we do hold a public hearing

4553
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:55,400
for the tentative budget. We're not it's

4554
02:47:55,400 --> 02:47:56,800
my understanding we're not required to

4555
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:58,800
do so, but it is something that we

4556
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:00,880
traditionally do.

4557
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:06,040
And then uh the final item will be a

4558
02:48:06,040 --> 02:48:07,040
statement

4559
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:07,720
>> The

4560
02:48:07,720 --> 02:48:10,920
>> we need to uh make a motion and decide

4561
02:48:10,920 --> 02:48:12,960
whether to approve or reject considering

4562
02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:15,880
levying to levy being a tax rate that

4563
02:48:15,880 --> 02:48:18,400
exceeds certified tax rate and the

4564
02:48:18,400 --> 02:48:21,440
approximate dollar amount. So,

4565
02:48:21,440 --> 02:48:26,360
that is what our agenda looks like this evening.

4566
02:48:26,360 --> 02:48:27,840
>> Mayor, if you'll let me introduce the

4567
02:48:27,840 --> 02:48:29,480
prayer prayer and pledge. They're

4568
02:48:29,480 --> 02:48:31,360
actually a a young boy and a young girl.

4569
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:33,400
>> Oh, okay. So, thank you. So, they're

4570
02:48:33,400 --> 02:48:37,080
>> Scouting America Troop 776.

4571
02:48:37,080 --> 02:48:38,560
>> Okay.

4572
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:39,360
So, they're

4573
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:42,280
>> a boy student and a girl student. So, I can interview.

4574
02:48:42,280 --> 02:48:43,560
>> Okay.

4575
02:48:43,560 --> 02:48:45,120
>> And then I said, "Do you have any other

4576
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:46,720
votes for me for the council?"

4577
02:48:46,720 --> 02:48:48,360
>> anticipating that we may have a number

4578
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:50,040
of people signing in for public comment

4579
02:48:50,040 --> 02:48:51,720
who are not appropriate for the public

4580
02:48:51,720 --> 02:48:53,840
hearings.

4581
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:55,920
>> Just mention. So, so tonight we have

4582
02:48:55,920 --> 02:48:57,760
four public hearings. Just as you as

4583
02:48:57,760 --> 02:48:59,280
you're looking that they might sign up

4584
02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:01,040
for the the purpose for personal

4585
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:03,080
comments. They're actually here for the

4586
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:04,560
public hearing.

4587
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:05,520
>> So, if they signed up

4588
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:08,520
>> I will I'll I'll make sure that they

4589
02:49:08,520 --> 02:49:13,680
that if they have They they will have the opportunity to speak

4590
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:16,160
for items that are not on the agenda,

4591
02:49:16,160 --> 02:49:18,640
somewhere else on the agenda.

4592
02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:19,120
>> Thank you.

4593
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:21,120
>> Okay. And then depending on the number

4594
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:23,240
of people who signed up, we'll Right

4595
02:49:23,240 --> 02:49:26,720
now, I I feel inclined to, because I

4596
02:49:26,720 --> 02:49:29,000
don't know how many, 3 minutes. But,

4597
02:49:29,000 --> 02:49:31,360
let's we'll take a look and see what we

4598
02:49:31,360 --> 02:49:32,800
got.

4599
02:49:32,800 --> 02:49:34,920
And I would like everybody who comes to

4600
02:49:34,920 --> 02:49:36,560
speak have will have the opportunity to

4601
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:37,080
speak.

4602
02:49:37,080 --> 02:49:39,840
>> As long as they're on the schedule.

4603
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:42,360
>> Oh, do we have Do we have a time

4604
02:49:42,360 --> 02:49:45,040
Okay, yes, cuz some some go over.

4605
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:47,800
>> And and some just ask and then

4606
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:49,320
>> Yeah.

4607
02:49:49,320 --> 02:49:51,360
>> So, there was a question, uh Mayor. We

4608
02:49:51,360 --> 02:49:53,640
do have um Did you talk to her about

4609
02:49:53,640 --> 02:49:54,520
that?

4610
02:49:54,520 --> 02:49:57,160
What um I had some people on one of the

4611
02:49:57,160 --> 02:49:59,080
items say they couldn't be here. So, we

4612
02:49:59,080 --> 02:50:00,400
chatted a little bit and sent maybe

4613
02:50:00,400 --> 02:50:01,600
>> Oh, yes. Yes.

4614
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:02,600
>> Yes.

4615
02:50:02,600 --> 02:50:04,840
>> Uh a video statement. So, I I know we

4616
02:50:04,840 --> 02:50:06,800
have at least one of those. Um and then

4617
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:08,760
there was a a question of they could

4618
02:50:08,760 --> 02:50:11,280
read a proxy. And

4619
02:50:11,280 --> 02:50:13,000
in in the past had let people do up to

4620
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:14,600
one. But, um

4621
02:50:14,600 --> 02:50:15,560
>> Sure, we'll be here.

4622
02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:17,200
>> Yeah, as long as it's under

4623
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:19,320
We I like to keep the public public

4624
02:50:19,320 --> 02:50:21,320
hearing comments to under 3 minutes as

4625
02:50:21,320 --> 02:50:24,440
well. I I If they're video feeds or if

4626
02:50:24,440 --> 02:50:26,000
they're reading proxy, I know we've done

4627
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:27,840
that in the past is that we've had

4628
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:29,480
others read

4629
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:31,920
on behalf of I mean, Council, you should

4630
02:50:31,920 --> 02:50:34,960
have received copies of emails from

4631
02:50:34,960 --> 02:50:39,320
Teresa that that that we submitted

4632
02:50:39,320 --> 02:50:40,720
regarding some of the items on our

4633
02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:42,400
agenda today. So,

4634
02:50:42,400 --> 02:50:45,720
Right. So, oh, that's right.

4635
02:50:45,720 --> 02:50:47,520
We have to have a motion to adjourn. Do

4636
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:51,760
you have to have a motion to adjourn?

4637
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:52,280
>> Second.

4638
02:50:52,280 --> 02:50:56,190
>> Okay. Bye.

4639
02:50:56,200 --> 02:50:57,440
And

4640
02:50:57,440 --> 02:51:09,590
I didn't see it on the agenda.

4641
02:51:09,600 --> 02:51:19,910
So, is that Jen and Chris?

4642
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:21,760
Should I be putting the journal on the

4643
02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:31,670
box first?

4644
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:34,950
» Yeah, it's no big deal.

4645
02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:42,070
» regular meeting to sign

4646
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:49,670
» Hi.

4647
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:50,920
» First stop.

4648
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:53,040
>> I want to make sure that this is put

4649
02:51:53,040 --> 02:52:13,190
and taken out of my

4650
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:15,360
» And Tony says to me,

4651
02:52:15,360 --> 02:52:20,350
And that was the thing.

4652
02:52:20,360 --> 02:52:21,880
Why are you guys

4653
02:52:21,880 --> 02:52:24,320
You want to open the back door?

4654
02:52:24,320 --> 02:52:26,600
So, so that was it. It smells good.

4655
02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:28,560
And a big issue.

4656
02:52:28,560 --> 02:56:24,750
So, I can maybe make

4657
02:56:24,760 --> 02:58:04,470
» Mhm.

4658
02:58:04,480 --> 02:58:06,200
» microphone to turn on, too. Oh, there we

4659
02:58:06,200 --> 02:58:09,920
go. And the public appearance sheet, so

4660
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:11,320
I'd like to welcome all of you to our

4661
02:58:11,320 --> 02:58:13,760
City Council meeting this evening. I see

4662
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:17,840
a lot of familiar faces. See friends out

4663
02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:20,120
there, and grateful to have you all here

4664
02:58:20,120 --> 02:58:21,560
this evening.

4665
02:58:21,560 --> 02:58:24,560
We'll go ahead and

4666
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:25,880
I'm going to turn the time over to

4667
02:58:25,880 --> 02:58:28,600
Council member Malit to introduce those

4668
02:58:28,600 --> 02:58:30,480
who will be giving our invocation,

4669
02:58:30,480 --> 02:58:32,160
inspirational thought, and pledge of

4670
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:33,840
allegiance.

4671
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:35,680
>> Okay, so today we have some special

4672
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:38,640
guests. We have Grace Webb and Kai

4673
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:41,200
Harris, and they are both part of

4674
02:58:41,200 --> 02:58:44,720
Scouting America Troop 1776. Grace is

4675
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:46,720
from the girls unit and Kai is from the

4676
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:48,920
boys unit. So, we'll start out with

4677
02:58:48,920 --> 02:58:50,920
Grace giving our

4678
02:58:50,920 --> 02:58:53,040
prayer followed by Kai leading us in the

4679
02:58:53,040 --> 02:59:03,830
pledge of allegiance.

4680
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:05,840
» Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for

4681
02:59:05,840 --> 02:59:07,640
this day and we thank you for our city

4682
02:59:07,640 --> 02:59:08,800
of Orem.

4683
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:10,400
We thank you for that we can meet and

4684
02:59:10,400 --> 02:59:12,320
talk about the needs in our community.

4685
02:59:12,320 --> 02:59:13,920
We are thankful for our freedom and

4686
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:15,880
safety. Please bless our leaders and

4687
02:59:15,880 --> 02:59:17,920
those who serve in our city, state, and

4688
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:19,840
country. In the name of Jesus Christ,

4689
02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:29,550
amen.

4690
02:59:29,560 --> 02:59:36,030
» Audience, please stand.

4691
02:59:36,040 --> 02:59:39,560
I pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag

4692
02:59:39,560 --> 02:59:42,480
of the United States of America and to

4693
02:59:42,480 --> 02:59:45,320
the republic for which it stands, one

4694
02:59:45,320 --> 02:59:48,600
nation under God, indivisible, with

4695
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:51,240
liberty and justice for all.

4696
02:59:51,240 --> 02:59:55,790
You may be seated.

4697
02:59:55,800 --> 02:59:58,280
» Thank you, Grace and Kai,

4698
02:59:58,280 --> 02:59:59,640
for being part of our city council

4699
02:59:59,640 --> 03:00:02,400
meeting this this evening.

4700
03:00:02,400 --> 03:00:04,280
All right, the next item on the agenda

4701
03:00:04,280 --> 03:00:05,400
are

4702
03:00:05,400 --> 03:00:07,960
uh mayor's report and items referred by

4703
03:00:07,960 --> 03:00:09,240
council.

4704
03:00:09,240 --> 03:00:11,720
And the first item we have is a

4705
03:00:11,720 --> 03:00:13,640
presentation

4706
03:00:13,640 --> 03:00:16,600
with a giving machine report and this is

4707
03:00:16,600 --> 03:00:18,840
former council member Mark C. Strand who

4708
03:00:18,840 --> 03:00:20,440
is the director

4709
03:00:20,440 --> 03:00:22,440
of Orin giving machines will give us a

4710
03:00:22,440 --> 03:00:24,440
presentation. Welcome.

4711
03:00:24,440 --> 03:00:26,000
>> Thank you.

4712
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:27,800
It's always pleasure to to be here this

4713
03:00:27,800 --> 03:00:29,520
time of year.

4714
03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:31,920
The giving machines while they focus

4715
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:34,480
mostly in the Christmas season,

4716
03:00:34,480 --> 03:00:35,880
there's a lot of effort and energy that

4717
03:00:35,880 --> 03:00:37,680
goes on behind it and especially with

4718
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:39,440
the charities that are involved all year

4719
03:00:39,440 --> 03:00:43,560
long with providing the services to the wonderful people here in the

4720
03:00:43,560 --> 03:00:45,680
community and around the world. So we

4721
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:47,560
wanted to just kind of wrap up this last

4722
03:00:47,560 --> 03:00:49,160
year's season,

4723
03:00:49,160 --> 03:00:51,560
report to the city on some of the totals

4724
03:00:51,560 --> 03:00:54,360
and the and recognize the charities

4725
03:00:54,360 --> 03:00:56,680
that were involved with this last year

4726
03:00:56,680 --> 03:00:58,560
and give them a little recognition and

4727
03:00:58,560 --> 03:00:59,800
it's always fun to get your picture

4728
03:00:59,800 --> 03:01:01,600
taken with the mayor and city council.

4729
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:04,200
So if you'll indulge us with that, I

4730
03:01:04,200 --> 03:01:06,360
want to just give you an overview of the

4731
03:01:06,360 --> 03:01:08,160
giving machines worldwide. They started

4732
03:01:08,160 --> 03:01:10,120
back in 2017

4733
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:12,440
here in Provo. They've been in Orin

4734
03:01:12,440 --> 03:01:15,160
since 2019. So we've we've had them 6

4735
03:01:15,160 --> 03:01:17,520
years. We took a year off during COVID.

4736
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:19,000
Didn't seem like a good time to get

4737
03:01:19,000 --> 03:01:21,400
together and punch your number on a on a

4738
03:01:21,400 --> 03:01:24,360
vending machine. But this year the

4739
03:01:24,360 --> 03:01:26,560
giving machine worldwide had over 1

4740
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:28,240
million visitors.

4741
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:33,200
We were in 126 cities in 21 countries on

4742
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:35,120
six continents.

4743
03:01:35,120 --> 03:01:38,080
There were 4 million and eight or 4.8

4744
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:40,040
million items that were purchased. Those

4745
03:01:40,040 --> 03:01:42,440
are those are tiles that were that were

4746
03:01:42,440 --> 03:01:44,080
purchased.

4747
03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:46,720
We worked with 500 plus different

4748
03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:49,320
nonprofits around the world. There were

4749
03:01:49,320 --> 03:01:52,120
3200 unique items or tiles that were

4750
03:01:52,120 --> 03:01:53,600
offered.

4751
03:01:53,600 --> 03:01:58,320
That included three 3.5 million meals,

4752
03:01:58,320 --> 03:02:00,840
500,000 vaccinations,

4753
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:02,840
109,000

4754
03:02:02,840 --> 03:02:05,360
chickens and or goats and or pigs and or

4755
03:02:05,360 --> 03:02:06,840
sheep.

4756
03:02:06,840 --> 03:02:08,840
Uh, 97,000

4757
03:02:08,840 --> 03:02:11,520
books and school supplies and of course

4758
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:14,320
17,000 soccer balls to help the kids in

4759
03:02:14,320 --> 03:02:15,640
the communities.

4760
03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:17,720
For the Orem this last year, it was our

4761
03:02:17,720 --> 03:02:20,960
best year yet. And we had um, over

4762
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:22,800
14,700

4763
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,640
credit card transactions that took place

4764
03:02:25,640 --> 03:02:28,160
representing approximately 65,000

4765
03:02:28,160 --> 03:02:30,680
visitors that were part of the Giving

4766
03:02:30,680 --> 03:02:33,040
Machine experience here in Orem. That's

4767
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:34,800
a lot of traffic and a lot of visitors

4768
03:02:34,800 --> 03:02:36,800
that are taking part in that.

4769
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:38,280
Uh, the total giving this year in Orem

4770
03:02:38,280 --> 03:02:40,800
was just over 1 and 1/2 million. Um,

4771
03:02:40,800 --> 03:02:42,800
most of the fees were paid for by the

4772
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:45,160
donors. There was about $37,000 in

4773
03:02:45,160 --> 03:02:46,680
credit card fees

4774
03:02:46,680 --> 03:02:48,160
that were were also part of the

4775
03:02:48,160 --> 03:02:49,640
donations.

4776
03:02:49,640 --> 03:02:53,040
We had 47,000 tiles purchased and

4777
03:02:53,040 --> 03:02:54,880
847,000

4778
03:02:54,880 --> 03:02:56,840
items donated

4779
03:02:56,840 --> 03:02:59,400
uh, this particular year. So, when

4780
03:02:59,400 --> 03:03:01,360
there's you know, three school lunches

4781
03:03:01,360 --> 03:03:02,760
for the weekend, that counts as three

4782
03:03:02,760 --> 03:03:05,680
items but but one tile.

4783
03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:07,480
And also what's really important is that

4784
03:03:07,480 --> 03:03:10,120
70% of the funds donated stay here

4785
03:03:10,120 --> 03:03:13,000
locally in Utah County or in this area.

4786
03:03:13,000 --> 03:03:15,120
So, we really are helping

4787
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:17,320
people in this area that need help and

4788
03:03:17,320 --> 03:03:19,280
that are that are doing it.

4789
03:03:19,280 --> 03:03:21,280
Uh, in addition to the charities that

4790
03:03:21,280 --> 03:03:24,200
are so active and so giving in their

4791
03:03:24,200 --> 03:03:26,720
efforts, we also have a lot of local

4792
03:03:26,720 --> 03:03:28,320
community support. We couldn't do it

4793
03:03:28,320 --> 03:03:30,280
without the help of the Woodbury family

4794
03:03:30,280 --> 03:03:32,880
and the University Place. What a great

4795
03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:35,240
place to host the Giving Machines.

4796
03:03:35,240 --> 03:03:37,360
Special shout out to Cindy and Jared and

4797
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:39,840
Rob that do so much there with us at the

4798
03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:42,280
University Place. Scenic Solutions is a

4799
03:03:42,280 --> 03:03:44,720
company here in Orem that supplies the

4800
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:46,520
machines. If you can think about what it

4801
03:03:46,520 --> 03:03:48,720
takes to manage that many vending

4802
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:50,160
machines and get them to so many

4803
03:03:50,160 --> 03:03:52,520
locations, they're an incredible company

4804
03:03:52,520 --> 03:03:55,080
to work with. And most importantly, we

4805
03:03:55,080 --> 03:03:57,360
had thousands of hours of volunteers for

4806
03:03:57,360 --> 03:03:59,160
people supporting the machines and being

4807
03:03:59,160 --> 03:04:02,120
part of contributing with with this

4808
03:04:02,120 --> 03:04:04,720
program. So, we are honored and thrilled

4809
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:06,320
that the giving machines are here in

4810
03:04:06,320 --> 03:04:08,240
Orem. We're also excited that they'll be

4811
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,320
here next year, so we can look forward

4812
03:04:10,320 --> 03:04:12,600
to that. And now I'd like to give some

4813
03:04:12,600 --> 03:04:13,720
time to some of our committee to

4814
03:04:13,720 --> 03:04:15,280
recognize the charities that are here.

4815
03:04:15,280 --> 03:04:18,160
So, we'll start with with Wendy.

4816
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:21,150
Want to go, Wendy?

4817
03:04:21,160 --> 03:04:23,800
» Hello, I'm Wendy Wright. I uh serve on

4818
03:04:23,800 --> 03:04:27,080
the committee with Mark. Um we're

4819
03:04:27,080 --> 03:04:28,440
pleased to introduce the charities that

4820
03:04:28,440 --> 03:04:31,360
participated in the 2025 Giving Machines

4821
03:04:31,360 --> 03:04:33,400
located at University Place here in

4822
03:04:33,400 --> 03:04:35,960
Orem. Once again, Utah County residents

4823
03:04:35,960 --> 03:04:37,600
were extremely generous with their

4824
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:40,320
contributions, as Mark mentioned. These

4825
03:04:40,320 --> 03:04:42,520
charities provided a variety of service,

4826
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:44,640
including food for the needy, health

4827
03:04:44,640 --> 03:04:46,800
care, and good drinking water for

4828
03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:48,920
communities that need it, empowerment

4829
03:04:48,920 --> 03:04:50,720
for individuals with disabilities, and a

4830
03:04:50,720 --> 03:04:52,640
variety of services for the segments of

4831
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:54,840
the communities that need help.

4832
03:04:54,840 --> 03:04:56,320
The first charity that we'd like to

4833
03:04:56,320 --> 03:05:00,600
introduce is Ability First, and Sandra

4834
03:05:00,600 --> 03:05:04,400
Cuscio is here with us. Um Ability First

4835
03:05:04,400 --> 03:05:07,040
recognizes, advocates for, and respects

4836
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:09,360
each individual's right and ability to

4837
03:05:09,360 --> 03:05:11,840
realize their deserved quality of life.

4838
03:05:11,840 --> 03:05:13,400
That's accomplished by identifying

4839
03:05:13,400 --> 03:05:15,440
needs, providing resources,

4840
03:05:15,440 --> 03:05:17,960
strengthening abilities, and advocating

4841
03:05:17,960 --> 03:05:19,840
social and political change for all

4842
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:22,760
individuals with disabilities.

4843
03:05:22,760 --> 03:05:25,360
Um in the Giving Machines, Ability First

4844
03:05:25,360 --> 03:05:27,560
offered people the option of purchasing

4845
03:05:27,560 --> 03:05:31,120
a wheelchair, a roll- rollator walker,

4846
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:34,280
or a support grab bar. And the

4847
03:05:34,280 --> 03:05:37,200
wheelchair, there were 498

4848
03:05:37,200 --> 03:05:40,160
purchased. And the rollator walkers,

4849
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:41,760
374.

4850
03:05:41,760 --> 03:05:45,560
And the support grab bar, 440.

4851
03:05:45,560 --> 03:05:48,960
Totaling um $110,000.

4852
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:52,480
And sorry, 110

4853
03:05:52,480 --> 03:05:57,160
thousand and 10 dollars.

4854
03:05:57,160 --> 03:05:59,760
And they are an amazing resource in Utah

4855
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:01,760
County and they serve a lot of people

4856
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:03,440
with a lot of needs. So, we're really

4857
03:06:03,440 --> 03:06:06,840
excited that we could partner with them.

4858
03:06:06,840 --> 03:06:15,070
>> It didn't

4859
03:06:15,080 --> 03:06:17,880
Hello, I'm Tim Wright. Uh Tabitha's Way

4860
03:06:17,880 --> 03:06:19,840
is our next charity.

4861
03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:22,920
Uh they're represented by Wendy Osborne.

4862
03:06:22,920 --> 03:06:25,240
Uh Tabitha's Way has three local

4863
03:06:25,240 --> 03:06:27,640
pantries, one in Spanish Fork,

4864
03:06:27,640 --> 03:06:29,320
Pleasant Grove, and one in Saratoga

4865
03:06:29,320 --> 03:06:31,880
Springs. They provide a robust solution

4866
03:06:31,880 --> 03:06:34,840
for individuals and families facing food

4867
03:06:34,840 --> 03:06:37,160
insecurity in our community.

4868
03:06:37,160 --> 03:06:39,800
They provide temporary food assistance,

4869
03:06:39,800 --> 03:06:43,000
recommended resources for self-reliance,

4870
03:06:43,000 --> 03:06:46,120
and help neighbors help neighbors. So,

4871
03:06:46,120 --> 03:06:47,720
here's some of the tiles that you would

4872
03:06:47,720 --> 03:06:49,640
see in the Giving Machine

4873
03:06:49,640 --> 03:06:52,480
from Tabitha's Way. One tile was labeled

4874
03:06:52,480 --> 03:06:55,160
150 lunches,

4875
03:06:55,160 --> 03:06:58,280
and they did 4,937.

4876
03:06:58,280 --> 03:07:02,520
Another was a month of food, 1,052.

4877
03:07:02,520 --> 03:07:05,200
A holiday family meal,

4878
03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:06,920
862.

4879
03:07:06,920 --> 03:07:09,040
School supplies,

4880
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:09,800
uh

4881
03:07:09,800 --> 03:07:11,640
3,299

4882
03:07:11,640 --> 03:07:15,840
and a toiletry kit, 1,368

4883
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:18,520
for a total of

4884
03:07:18,520 --> 03:07:19,880
If you read that for us, that's so

4885
03:07:19,880 --> 03:07:20,840
impressive.

4886
03:07:20,840 --> 03:07:24,280
>> It's a very impressive number. $411,000.

4887
03:07:24,280 --> 03:07:27,040
So, 411,208

4888
03:07:27,040 --> 03:07:27,160
dollars.

4889
03:07:27,160 --> 03:07:27,720
>> Thank you.

4890
03:07:27,720 --> 03:07:28,440
>> Did I say that right?

4891
03:07:28,440 --> 03:07:29,040
>> You did.

4892
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:39,110
>> You got me nervous.

4893
03:07:39,120 --> 03:07:40,480
» Hi, my name is Tom Walker and I'm

4894
03:07:40,480 --> 03:07:43,720
privileged to announce the success of

4895
03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:45,360
the Giving Machines for the United Way

4896
03:07:45,360 --> 03:07:47,720
organization, and represented by Laura

4897
03:07:47,720 --> 03:07:50,160
Berrigan, if she's here.

4898
03:07:50,160 --> 03:07:52,360
Hello, Laura.

4899
03:07:52,360 --> 03:07:55,230
So,

4900
03:07:55,240 --> 03:07:57,280
let's see. They do a lot of different

4901
03:07:57,280 --> 03:07:59,320
charities in the area. So,

4902
03:07:59,320 --> 03:08:00,720
let's just kind of go through some of

4903
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:02,320
this a little bit. They provide

4904
03:08:02,320 --> 03:08:03,760
essential support such as early

4905
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:06,520
education, mental health resources,

4906
03:08:06,520 --> 03:08:08,320
financial security, and opportunities

4907
03:08:08,320 --> 03:08:10,800
for community engagement.

4908
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:14,840
So, in the giving machines, 2,857

4909
03:08:14,840 --> 03:08:17,640
people donated newborn resources.

4910
03:08:17,640 --> 03:08:19,200
1,605

4911
03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:22,840
people donated educational products. 152

4912
03:08:22,840 --> 03:08:26,000
people donated computers and courses.

4913
03:08:26,000 --> 03:08:29,520
278 donations of summer school programs.

4914
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:30,640
And then with some of the additional

4915
03:08:30,640 --> 03:08:32,040
charities in the area they work with,

4916
03:08:32,040 --> 03:08:34,560
there were 400 donations of rides for

4917
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:36,080
senior citizens.

4918
03:08:36,080 --> 03:08:39,560
250 donations for family legal support.

4919
03:08:39,560 --> 03:08:44,400
And 1,219 donations of a hotline call.

4920
03:08:44,400 --> 03:08:46,000
And the total

4921
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:48,480
donations for United Way

4922
03:08:48,480 --> 03:08:53,270
charities was $200,605.

4923
03:08:53,280 --> 03:08:54,640
Congratulations, Laura.

4924
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,390
>> Thank you. Thank you.

4925
03:08:57,400 --> 03:09:06,910
have three.

4926
03:09:06,920 --> 03:09:08,640
» Good afternoon. I'm Val Hale, also a

4927
03:09:08,640 --> 03:09:10,240
member of the committee, and I'm going

4928
03:09:10,240 --> 03:09:12,400
to introduce Rocky Mountain University

4929
03:09:12,400 --> 03:09:14,560
of Health Professions and the clinics

4930
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:16,320
that they the pro bono clinics that they

4931
03:09:16,320 --> 03:09:18,480
offer. I'd like to invite Cameron

4932
03:09:18,480 --> 03:09:19,600
Martin,

4933
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:20,880
the president of Rocky Mountain

4934
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:22,440
University of Health Professions to come

4935
03:09:22,440 --> 03:09:24,560
up and also acknowledge Jeff Fisher and

4936
03:09:24,560 --> 03:09:26,240
I think Sherry Warnock, who's a member

4937
03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:28,480
of our committee.

4938
03:09:28,480 --> 03:09:30,680
Sherry's also

4939
03:09:30,680 --> 03:09:33,720
here. Appreciate them.

4940
03:09:33,720 --> 03:09:35,480
So, as I mentioned, Rocky Mountain

4941
03:09:35,480 --> 03:09:37,400
University of Health Professions has

4942
03:09:37,400 --> 03:09:40,000
instituted clinics to help the needy in

4943
03:09:40,000 --> 03:09:41,800
our community. They offer pro bono

4944
03:09:41,800 --> 03:09:44,480
services to patients in need. The

4945
03:09:44,480 --> 03:09:46,120
clinics provide opportunities for

4946
03:09:46,120 --> 03:09:48,160
students to get hands-on experience with

4947
03:09:48,160 --> 03:09:51,480
patients who need care and don't have

4948
03:09:51,480 --> 03:09:53,160
the means to pay for that care. So, it's

4949
03:09:53,160 --> 03:09:56,240
a win-win opportunity and a real benefit

4950
03:09:56,240 --> 03:09:58,120
in our community. And is it Was this the

4951
03:09:58,120 --> 03:09:59,200
first year you did that?

4952
03:09:59,200 --> 03:09:59,560
>> Yes.

4953
03:09:59,560 --> 03:10:01,320
>> So, they just started the clinics this

4954
03:10:01,320 --> 03:10:02,960
first year.

4955
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:05,120
And the tiles that they offered in the

4956
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:08,120
Giving Machines were eye exams.

4957
03:10:08,120 --> 03:10:12,200
And we They They 529 of those were

4958
03:10:12,200 --> 03:10:15,320
purchased. Physical therapy

4959
03:10:15,320 --> 03:10:18,200
648 were purchased.

4960
03:10:18,200 --> 03:10:21,680
Counseling sessions 380 were purchased.

4961
03:10:21,680 --> 03:10:25,440
And participation in a speech camp

4962
03:10:25,440 --> 03:10:27,240
683.

4963
03:10:27,240 --> 03:10:28,840
And a learning device. Do you know what

4964
03:10:28,840 --> 03:10:30,960
kind of learning device that was?

4965
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:33,280
>> One that helps you learn. I don't know.

4966
03:10:33,280 --> 03:10:37,880
>> A learning learning device. How unique.

4967
03:10:37,880 --> 03:10:40,800
>> SOP language is to to help you to

4968
03:10:40,800 --> 03:10:42,480
help you in the language learning how to

4969
03:10:42,480 --> 03:10:43,120
speak.

4970
03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:47,240
>> Help Okay, I could use that. Anyway, um

4971
03:10:47,240 --> 03:10:49,360
the totals for all of those donations

4972
03:10:49,360 --> 03:10:54,230
were $130,245.

4973
03:10:54,240 --> 03:11:03,110
» Thank you, Cameron.

4974
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:04,040
Stand up.

4975
03:11:04,040 --> 03:11:09,350
>> Oh, stand up. My tiles are wrong.

4976
03:11:09,360 --> 03:11:10,800
» The next charity is the Food & Care

4977
03:11:10,800 --> 03:11:14,480
Coalition represented by Brent Crane.

4978
03:11:14,480 --> 03:11:16,720
Um the Food & Care Coalition is Utah

4979
03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:18,800
County's most comprehensive resource

4980
03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:20,640
center for individuals experiencing

4981
03:11:20,640 --> 03:11:22,240
homelessness

4982
03:11:22,240 --> 03:11:24,360
as well as providing meals, medical and

4983
03:11:24,360 --> 03:11:26,640
dental care, counseling, job training,

4984
03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:28,840
and permanent housing all under one

4985
03:11:28,840 --> 03:11:30,120
roof.

4986
03:11:30,120 --> 03:11:33,680
Um Donors had options to purchase winter

4987
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:37,440
care packets 365.

4988
03:11:37,440 --> 03:11:41,320
Warm socks 3,756.

4989
03:11:41,320 --> 03:11:45,200
Hot meals 5,887.

4990
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:48,800
hydroponic seedling packet 1,240

4991
03:11:48,800 --> 03:11:53,400
and a shelter welcome kit 539 totaling

4992
03:11:53,400 --> 03:12:00,710
197,356.

4993
03:12:00,720 --> 03:12:03,120
Oh, I didn't see you. Sorry. Christine,

4994
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:05,840
this is Christine.

4995
03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:10,070
>> I'm waiting to see out of these.

4996
03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:11,760
It's me again.

4997
03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:13,880
Many of you know that in the giving

4998
03:12:13,880 --> 03:12:16,280
machines we typically feature some

4999
03:12:16,280 --> 03:12:19,080
international charities and

5000
03:12:19,080 --> 03:12:21,240
I remember a couple of years ago Mayor

5001
03:12:21,240 --> 03:12:23,040
McCanless when she was with Community

5002
03:12:23,040 --> 03:12:25,440
Action Services, we had a meeting with

5003
03:12:25,440 --> 03:12:27,080
all the charities beforehand and she

5004
03:12:27,080 --> 03:12:28,520
told them,

5005
03:12:28,520 --> 03:12:31,400
"I know you all want to

5006
03:12:31,400 --> 03:12:33,720
have the high amount, but you'll never

5007
03:12:33,720 --> 03:12:36,360
beat out the goats and piglets.

5008
03:12:36,360 --> 03:12:38,560
You were wrong this year."

5009
03:12:38,560 --> 03:12:40,440
Yeah, so

5010
03:12:40,440 --> 03:12:43,320
one of our international charities was

5011
03:12:43,320 --> 03:12:45,840
Church World Services, a charity which

5012
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,520
began in 1946 in the aftermath of the

5013
03:12:48,520 --> 03:12:50,840
Second World War. They have a mission to

5014
03:12:50,840 --> 03:12:53,640
feed the hungry and help those in need.

5015
03:12:53,640 --> 03:12:56,600
They operate in over 31 countries

5016
03:12:56,600 --> 03:12:59,160
and in the giving machines

5017
03:12:59,160 --> 03:13:03,280
their offerings included one goat

5018
03:13:03,280 --> 03:13:06,640
and they sold or they

5019
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:08,880
2,366

5020
03:13:08,880 --> 03:13:11,840
goats were donated. And Tim Wright, if

5021
03:13:11,840 --> 03:13:13,600
you haven't seen it, came up with a

5022
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:16,120
great AI thing where you put money in

5023
03:13:16,120 --> 03:13:17,680
and a goat actually comes out of the

5024
03:13:17,680 --> 03:13:20,360
machine. It's pretty impressive, but

5025
03:13:20,360 --> 03:13:23,480
the 200 2,366,

5026
03:13:23,480 --> 03:13:27,440
they also had 4,152

5027
03:13:27,440 --> 03:13:30,680
52 female hygiene kits donated

5028
03:13:30,680 --> 03:13:32,640
and the total amount for those two was

5029
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:35,950
309,458.

5030
03:13:35,960 --> 03:13:38,520
Tabitha's way ahead over 400,000. So,

5031
03:13:38,520 --> 03:13:41,480
they were defeated for the first time.

5032
03:13:41,480 --> 03:13:43,120
At least the

5033
03:13:43,120 --> 03:13:45,120
>> Well, it really This is a thing you

5034
03:13:45,120 --> 03:13:46,920
never beat the goats.

5035
03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:53,150
Well, congratulations.

5036
03:13:53,160 --> 03:13:55,760
» And our final charity is Water for Good.

5037
03:13:55,760 --> 03:13:58,120
And I'd invite Tyson Wise to come up. He

5038
03:13:58,120 --> 03:13:59,840
came all the way from Boise for this

5039
03:13:59,840 --> 03:14:05,670
today. So, we appreciate that.

5040
03:14:05,680 --> 03:14:06,280
Uh

5041
03:14:06,280 --> 03:14:08,040
Water for Good is an international

5042
03:14:08,040 --> 03:14:10,440
faith-based nonprofit organization

5043
03:14:10,440 --> 03:14:12,360
committed to creating a future where

5044
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:14,680
those no one dies from preventable

5045
03:14:14,680 --> 03:14:16,800
water-related disease.

5046
03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:18,560
And you'd be surprised how many people

5047
03:14:18,560 --> 03:14:20,880
in this world die from

5048
03:14:20,880 --> 03:14:22,680
those types of things.

5049
03:14:22,680 --> 03:14:24,200
In partnership with churches and

5050
03:14:24,200 --> 03:14:26,320
leaders, they help communities establish

5051
03:14:26,320 --> 03:14:28,640
access to reliable water and critical

5052
03:14:28,640 --> 03:14:31,760
sanitation and hygiene practices.

5053
03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:33,440
Their offerings in the Giving Machines

5054
03:14:33,440 --> 03:14:36,240
included a school toilet. Imagine going

5055
03:14:36,240 --> 03:14:37,960
to school and not having a toilet. That

5056
03:14:37,960 --> 03:14:39,880
happens in the world.

5057
03:14:39,880 --> 03:14:42,240
There were 2,168

5058
03:14:42,240 --> 03:14:43,880
of those donated.

5059
03:14:43,880 --> 03:14:47,640
A water pump repair kit, I guess, to

5060
03:14:47,640 --> 03:14:48,200
help

5061
03:14:48,200 --> 03:14:49,560
>> Yep. Sustainability.

5062
03:14:49,560 --> 03:14:52,120
>> to help sustain the the water pumps and

5063
03:14:52,120 --> 03:14:55,960
keep them going. 4,121

5064
03:14:55,960 --> 03:14:58,400
were donated. And family hygiene

5065
03:14:58,400 --> 03:14:59,840
training.

5066
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:02,920
So, there were 341 of those for a total

5067
03:15:02,920 --> 03:15:07,310
of $145,048.

5068
03:15:07,320 --> 03:15:10,640
So, thank you can go over there. And uh

5069
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:12,720
Those are distinguished city council

5070
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:14,440
members are the charities that were

5071
03:15:14,440 --> 03:15:16,320
represented in the Giving Machines last

5072
03:15:16,320 --> 03:15:18,840
December. We appreciate their

5073
03:15:18,840 --> 03:15:22,040
participation and the good work they do.

5074
03:15:22,040 --> 03:15:24,880
We especially appreciate the generosity

5075
03:15:24,880 --> 03:15:27,640
of our community here in Utah Valley

5076
03:15:27,640 --> 03:15:29,480
in supporting them in such a way that

5077
03:15:29,480 --> 03:15:33,320
can only be classified as astonishing.

5078
03:15:33,320 --> 03:16:01,230
Thank you.

5079
03:16:01,240 --> 03:16:03,120
» Oh, Peter's got the good camera.

5080
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:03,680
>> All right.

5081
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:05,640
>> Oh, what is that?

5082
03:16:05,640 --> 03:17:15,710
>> That's going to come up in a second.

5083
03:17:15,720 --> 03:17:18,040
» Those are all my people from a prior

5084
03:17:18,040 --> 03:17:20,640
chapter in my life and it's it's so good

5085
03:17:20,640 --> 03:17:23,920
to see them and I can assure you that

5086
03:17:23,920 --> 03:17:27,520
the generous donations

5087
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:30,400
are going are spent wisely and I'm so

5088
03:17:30,400 --> 03:17:33,760
excited to have

5089
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:36,160
for our local nonprofits and our our two

5090
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,280
international nonprofits to have

5091
03:17:38,280 --> 03:17:41,360
additional resources to help those in

5092
03:17:41,360 --> 03:17:43,680
our community. So, thank you. Thank you

5093
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:47,160
very much community and thank you

5094
03:17:47,160 --> 03:17:49,160
those who provide services. It's not an

5095
03:17:49,160 --> 03:17:53,600
easy task and appreciate you.

5096
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:56,120
The next item on our agenda council is

5097
03:17:56,120 --> 03:17:59,000
the presentation building safety

5098
03:17:59,000 --> 03:18:05,040
awareness month and is Paul Ash, there he is. Is Paul Ash, our

5099
03:18:05,040 --> 03:18:07,960
chief building official, is here

5100
03:18:07,960 --> 03:18:10,470
for that.

5101
03:18:10,480 --> 03:18:13,040
» Mayor and council, I'm Paul Ashton. I'm

5102
03:18:13,040 --> 03:18:15,200
the building official for Orem.

5103
03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:18,320
I believe Pete has or someone has given

5104
03:18:18,320 --> 03:18:21,200
us a video to to present, but something

5105
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:23,920
that also wanted to

5106
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:27,480
make you aware of is my my team

5107
03:18:27,480 --> 03:18:30,920
consists of four inspectors, a three

5108
03:18:30,920 --> 03:18:33,760
well, two and a half

5109
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:36,360
permit techs cuz Gary McGinn stole half

5110
03:18:36,360 --> 03:18:38,080
of my permit techs.

5111
03:18:38,080 --> 03:18:40,400
Thanks, Gary.

5112
03:18:40,400 --> 03:18:42,880
And a build a deputy building official.

5113
03:18:42,880 --> 03:18:45,840
And in with those those folks, there's

5114
03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:50,720
120 certifications between the

5115
03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:53,200
our crew to make sure that Orem is kept

5116
03:18:53,200 --> 03:18:54,480
safe.

5117
03:18:54,480 --> 03:18:57,120
Buildings in in Orem are safe safely

5118
03:18:57,120 --> 03:18:59,360
built. I also wanted to acknowledge that

5119
03:18:59,360 --> 03:19:03,200
we have four master code professionals

5120
03:19:03,200 --> 03:19:05,040
in Orem City.

5121
03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:06,960
I want to also let you know that there's

5122
03:19:06,960 --> 03:19:10,160
only 36 master code professionals in the

5123
03:19:10,160 --> 03:19:11,840
state of Utah.

5124
03:19:11,840 --> 03:19:16,080
So, we have a great crew to help keep

5125
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:25,710
the buildings in Orem safe. So,

5126
03:19:25,720 --> 03:19:28,240
» Building Safety Month is set aside by

5127
03:19:28,240 --> 03:19:30,840
the International Code Council to

5128
03:19:30,840 --> 03:19:33,520
encourage people to be aware of their

5129
03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:35,560
surroundings in their buildings and use

5130
03:19:35,560 --> 03:19:37,200
the buildings in a safe manner.

5131
03:19:37,200 --> 03:19:38,840
>> A building inspector is basically an

5132
03:19:38,840 --> 03:19:40,520
editor but

5133
03:19:40,520 --> 03:19:42,480
for a three-dimensional building.

5134
03:19:42,480 --> 03:19:45,600
>> So right now we have four inspectors and

5135
03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:49,000
they are all certified to do commercial

5136
03:19:49,000 --> 03:19:51,640
and residential inspections. They

5137
03:19:51,640 --> 03:19:53,720
understand the code. They know what

5138
03:19:53,720 --> 03:19:55,280
they're doing. They have a great

5139
03:19:55,280 --> 03:19:56,160
attitude.

5140
03:19:56,160 --> 03:19:57,960
>> I like construction. I like seeing how

5141
03:19:57,960 --> 03:20:00,520
things fit together.

5142
03:20:00,520 --> 03:20:02,360
Right, this is where all the magic is.

5143
03:20:02,360 --> 03:20:04,000
My job is look at the plans, make sure

5144
03:20:04,000 --> 03:20:05,920
you followed the plans, did we miss

5145
03:20:05,920 --> 03:20:07,280
anything?

5146
03:20:07,280 --> 03:20:10,510
Why are you happy?

5147
03:20:10,520 --> 03:20:11,960
And we left the blocking down here,

5148
03:20:11,960 --> 03:20:13,880
looks like. This side we're missing

5149
03:20:13,880 --> 03:20:15,160
blocking, too.

5150
03:20:15,160 --> 03:20:18,080
>> I have two permit techs that take care

5151
03:20:18,080 --> 03:20:20,200
of our front office and inspection

5152
03:20:20,200 --> 03:20:22,200
scheduling. They are very helpful with

5153
03:20:22,200 --> 03:20:24,720
the the public as well as as us as

5154
03:20:24,720 --> 03:20:25,960
co-workers.

5155
03:20:25,960 --> 03:20:28,000
>> What I typically do is I'll pull out the

5156
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:30,000
plans, I'll look at all of the framing

5157
03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:31,840
and make sure that it matches the plans.

5158
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:33,360
And I start with the roof so I can

5159
03:20:33,360 --> 03:20:36,160
follow the weight from the roof down.

5160
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:38,560
>> Well, I'm going to start at the top cuz

5161
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:43,390
that's how I usually look at things, so.

5162
03:20:43,400 --> 03:20:47,080
What are you? Are you a vent? You're a big vent.

5163
03:20:47,080 --> 03:20:48,680
And then I can kind of visually follow

5164
03:20:48,680 --> 03:20:50,720
down. This distributes the weight down

5165
03:20:50,720 --> 03:20:52,480
to here, down to here. We've got a beam

5166
03:20:52,480 --> 03:20:54,040
that puts it down here.

5167
03:20:54,040 --> 03:20:55,560
And then after I've done the framing,

5168
03:20:55,560 --> 03:20:56,720
I'll go back through the whole house

5169
03:20:56,720 --> 03:20:59,520
again and do the other three trades.

5170
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:02,400
It looks funky but it works.

5171
03:21:02,400 --> 03:21:03,600
There.

5172
03:21:03,600 --> 03:21:05,520
It's not bad. I think a lot of

5173
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:07,560
homeowners think building inspectors are

5174
03:21:07,560 --> 03:21:09,360
here to bust them when they're building

5175
03:21:09,360 --> 03:21:10,920
things and I think a lot of contractors

5176
03:21:10,920 --> 03:21:12,240
think building inspectors are here to

5177
03:21:12,240 --> 03:21:14,160
tell them they're wrong. Usually we're

5178
03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:15,400
just here to make sure things get

5179
03:21:15,400 --> 03:21:17,800
documented and get done right.

5180
03:21:17,800 --> 03:21:19,960
>> I we we literally are just here to make

5181
03:21:19,960 --> 03:21:25,880
sure that things fit together right and last longer and don't hurt people.

5182
03:21:25,880 --> 03:21:28,240
>> Building Safety Month helps the citizens

5183
03:21:28,240 --> 03:21:31,120
of Orem be a little bit more aware of

5184
03:21:31,120 --> 03:21:32,560
those things that are happening in their

5185
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:34,800
buildings so that they

5186
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:45,030
are kept safe.

5187
03:21:45,040 --> 03:21:47,200
» I believe in your packet there's a

5188
03:21:47,200 --> 03:21:50,160
proclamation that

5189
03:21:50,160 --> 03:21:52,960
ICC encourages you as a mayor and

5190
03:21:52,960 --> 03:21:57,320
council to sign to name May May as

5191
03:21:57,320 --> 03:22:00,000
Building Safety Month. So, and I have

5192
03:22:00,000 --> 03:22:02,440
most of my crew here.

5193
03:22:02,440 --> 03:22:04,840
So, I'd like them to stand up

5194
03:22:04,840 --> 03:22:06,920
and be acknowledged for what they what

5195
03:22:06,920 --> 03:22:17,110
they do for the city of Orem.

5196
03:22:17,120 --> 03:22:19,560
» Thank you. Thank you for what you do. I

5197
03:22:19,560 --> 03:22:22,480
love how she talks to the building.

5198
03:22:22,480 --> 03:22:23,880
Because you know, a house

5199
03:22:23,880 --> 03:22:26,520
>> to a lot more of than just the building.

5200
03:22:26,520 --> 03:22:30,040
>> Yes. I like I like that. She just Yeah.

5201
03:22:30,040 --> 03:22:31,560
>> That's why we had her on the on the

5202
03:22:31,560 --> 03:22:34,830
video.

5203
03:22:34,840 --> 03:22:36,240
» All right. Thank you. We'll get that

5204
03:22:36,240 --> 03:22:39,160
proclamation signed.

5205
03:22:39,160 --> 03:22:41,920
All right. Not only is it Building

5206
03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:44,400
Safety Awareness Month,

5207
03:22:44,400 --> 03:22:47,120
but we are in the midst of National

5208
03:22:47,120 --> 03:22:49,040
Police Week.

5209
03:22:49,040 --> 03:22:50,760
So, I'd like to invite our

5210
03:22:50,760 --> 03:22:53,080
uh Police Chief um Chief B.J. Robinson

5211
03:22:53,080 --> 03:22:54,600
to come up

5212
03:22:54,600 --> 03:22:58,520
and for his uh presentation.

5213
03:22:58,520 --> 03:23:00,880
>> Thank you, Mayor.

5214
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:02,720
During this calendar week, our nation

5215
03:23:02,720 --> 03:23:04,120
pauses to pay tribute to the

5216
03:23:04,120 --> 03:23:06,080
professionals of law enforcement and to

5217
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:09,040
honor the fallen officers on May 15th,

5218
03:23:09,040 --> 03:23:11,400
Peace Officer Memorial Day.

5219
03:23:11,400 --> 03:23:13,160
As police officers, we honor the fallen

5220
03:23:13,160 --> 03:23:15,360
by picking up where they left off. Take

5221
03:23:15,360 --> 03:23:17,080
the watch from here is a the phrase

5222
03:23:17,080 --> 03:23:19,520
often heard at a cop's funeral.

5223
03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:21,240
It's not as simple, nor is it enough for

5224
03:23:21,240 --> 03:23:23,520
us to just check on duty and to show up.

5225
03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:25,800
We must serve with integrity and honor,

5226
03:23:25,800 --> 03:23:27,640
living up to the oath that we have sworn

5227
03:23:27,640 --> 03:23:28,960
to one another

5228
03:23:28,960 --> 03:23:31,640
and the public that we serve.

5229
03:23:31,640 --> 03:23:33,240
I will also say here at Orem, we serve

5230
03:23:33,240 --> 03:23:35,360
with distinction, not in order to be

5231
03:23:35,360 --> 03:23:38,240
promoted or to be officer of the month,

5232
03:23:38,240 --> 03:23:40,520
but because this is our expectation of

5233
03:23:40,520 --> 03:23:42,160
one another and the level of service

5234
03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:44,440
that we strive to provide.

5235
03:23:44,440 --> 03:23:46,840
This level of service is also demanded

5236
03:23:46,840 --> 03:23:48,800
from those officers who lost their lives

5237
03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:50,520
upholding this oath.

5238
03:23:50,520 --> 03:23:52,560
I can only imagine

5239
03:23:52,560 --> 03:23:58,750
what they would give

5240
03:23:58,760 --> 03:24:00,840
now to respond to those boring calls and

5241
03:24:00,840 --> 03:24:04,960
those routine daily calls.

5242
03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:06,880
Later this year, it will have been 30

5243
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:08,480
years since I graduated the police

5244
03:24:08,480 --> 03:24:11,830
academy.

5245
03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:14,440
Since that time, 34 officers in Utah

5246
03:24:14,440 --> 03:24:17,960
have died in the line of duty.

5247
03:24:17,960 --> 03:24:23,390
Six of those from Utah County.

5248
03:24:23,400 --> 03:24:26,200
Lawrence Penrod,

5249
03:24:26,200 --> 03:24:28,120
Joe Adams,

5250
03:24:28,120 --> 03:24:30,240
Trent Halliday,

5251
03:24:30,240 --> 03:24:32,280
Corey Ride,

5252
03:24:32,280 --> 03:24:34,240
Joseph Shinners,

5253
03:24:34,240 --> 03:24:36,840
Bill Hooser.

5254
03:24:36,840 --> 03:24:38,160
For me, it's a little different when you

5255
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:40,720
put names to the fallen.

5256
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:43,480
I have personal and distinct memories of

5257
03:24:43,480 --> 03:24:45,120
working and training with four of those

5258
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:46,760
men.

5259
03:24:46,760 --> 03:24:48,120
The men and women of Orem Police

5260
03:24:48,120 --> 03:24:49,680
Department know what it means to be an

5261
03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:52,280
officer with Orem Police Department.

5262
03:24:52,280 --> 03:24:54,720
Here we require a little bit more from

5263
03:24:54,720 --> 03:24:56,200
our officers in order to provide the

5264
03:24:56,200 --> 03:24:58,360
high service

5265
03:24:58,360 --> 03:25:01,720
citizens of Orem are accustomed to.

5266
03:25:01,720 --> 03:25:03,920
We are as kind as people allow us to be,

5267
03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:07,000
understanding kindness is not weakness,

5268
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:08,560
and that some people refuse to allow us

5269
03:25:08,560 --> 03:25:10,480
to be kind.

5270
03:25:10,480 --> 03:25:12,480
We meet this mark far far more than we

5271
03:25:12,480 --> 03:25:13,800
do not.

5272
03:25:13,800 --> 03:25:15,960
We regularly train to better ourselves

5273
03:25:15,960 --> 03:25:17,640
so those instances are few and far

5274
03:25:17,640 --> 03:25:19,720
between.

5275
03:25:19,720 --> 03:25:22,400
The support from you, our city council,

5276
03:25:22,400 --> 03:25:25,400
and from our executive staff

5277
03:25:25,400 --> 03:25:27,320
fuels us in our mission to make Orem the

5278
03:25:27,320 --> 03:25:30,000
safest place to live, work, and play.

5279
03:25:30,000 --> 03:25:32,120
This is accomplished as a team involving

5280
03:25:32,120 --> 03:25:34,880
every employee of the city.

5281
03:25:34,880 --> 03:25:36,800
To the people of our community, thank

5282
03:25:36,800 --> 03:25:38,120
you.

5283
03:25:38,120 --> 03:25:41,040
are a pleasure to serve.

5284
03:25:41,040 --> 03:25:44,880
Orem is the best.

5285
03:25:44,880 --> 03:25:46,840
You are the reason why we are here to

5286
03:25:46,840 --> 03:25:49,240
answer your calls for service.

5287
03:25:49,240 --> 03:25:50,920
You are the reason why we choose to

5288
03:25:50,920 --> 03:25:52,960
stand up between you

5289
03:25:52,960 --> 03:25:54,480
and the dangers of the most of the

5290
03:25:54,480 --> 03:25:56,520
moment you face.

5291
03:25:56,520 --> 03:25:57,920
We feel of your love and support

5292
03:25:57,920 --> 03:25:59,440
throughout the year not just only during

5293
03:25:59,440 --> 03:26:00,920
this week.

5294
03:26:00,920 --> 03:26:02,960
We will continue to work hard to keep

5295
03:26:02,960 --> 03:26:07,110
and be deserving of your trust.

5296
03:26:07,120 --> 03:26:09,080
Thank you for your time today

5297
03:26:09,080 --> 03:26:10,640
and during this week to recognize the

5298
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:12,520
great work of the men and women of your

5299
03:26:12,520 --> 03:26:14,880
police department.

5300
03:26:14,880 --> 03:26:17,520
They are truly deserving

5301
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:19,040
of the recognition

5302
03:26:19,040 --> 03:26:21,400
and are always working to be better.

5303
03:26:21,400 --> 03:26:23,400
It is my honor to serve alongside of

5304
03:26:23,400 --> 03:26:26,520
them. Thank you.

5305
03:26:26,520 --> 03:26:50,990
>> Thank you.

5306
03:26:51,000 --> 03:26:52,840
Chief.

5307
03:26:52,840 --> 03:26:55,840
And on behalf of the city council

5308
03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:58,840
and myself, thank you to your department

5309
03:26:58,840 --> 03:27:01,280
and you

5310
03:27:01,280 --> 03:27:03,480
for for all you do

5311
03:27:03,480 --> 03:27:04,720
to

5312
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:09,280
help keep our community safe and

5313
03:27:09,280 --> 03:27:12,000
thriving. Thank you.

5314
03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:15,520
Next item is

5315
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:18,560
National Public Works Week, which is

5316
03:27:18,560 --> 03:27:20,160
next week.

5317
03:27:20,160 --> 03:27:22,360
But we don't meet next week, so uh we

5318
03:27:22,360 --> 03:27:24,120
have Chris Cherki, our Public Work Works

5319
03:27:24,120 --> 03:27:26,920
Director here tonight to present about

5320
03:27:26,920 --> 03:27:31,550
National Public Works Week.

5321
03:27:31,560 --> 03:27:33,920
» Thank you, Mayor and Council.

5322
03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:35,520
I don't know why I do this every year

5323
03:27:35,520 --> 03:27:37,920
right after the Police Chief. It's

5324
03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:41,310
really hard to follow.

5325
03:27:41,320 --> 03:27:43,000
BJ, I love you.

5326
03:27:43,000 --> 03:27:45,480
And the police and all you do for for

5327
03:27:45,480 --> 03:27:46,920
our community.

5328
03:27:46,920 --> 03:27:49,440
Um Public Works Week happens to fall

5329
03:27:49,440 --> 03:27:53,160
right about the same time as uh

5330
03:27:53,160 --> 03:27:56,960
as the uh police week does as well, so

5331
03:27:56,960 --> 03:27:58,400
and that's that's a blessing and a

5332
03:27:58,400 --> 03:28:00,960
curse, I suppose, but

5333
03:28:00,960 --> 03:28:03,600
National Public Works Week is May 17th

5334
03:28:03,600 --> 03:28:05,520
to 23rd.

5335
03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:08,160
And we are going to have a luncheon at

5336
03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:10,720
our facility. We we've invited each of

5337
03:28:10,720 --> 03:28:13,160
you and our exec staff to attend. We

5338
03:28:13,160 --> 03:28:14,840
usually have a gathering time at about

5339
03:28:14,840 --> 03:28:17,600
10:30 till 1:30. Well, 10:30 at the

5340
03:28:17,600 --> 03:28:19,880
beginning then we have lunch and then

5341
03:28:19,880 --> 03:28:21,920
a variety of prizes and and other fun

5342
03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:23,960
activities and so forth.

5343
03:28:23,960 --> 03:28:26,160
Um I wanted to remind you also that we

5344
03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:28,520
have a a Deer Creek Intake Project

5345
03:28:28,520 --> 03:28:31,080
Ribbon Cutting uh this Thursday, May

5346
03:28:31,080 --> 03:28:34,520
14th at the Sale Bowl Beach up at Deer

5347
03:28:34,520 --> 03:28:36,600
Creek Reservoir. That's from 11:30 to

5348
03:28:36,600 --> 03:28:39,840
2:00 to celebrate the nearly 1 million

5349
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:40,520
uh

5350
03:28:40,520 --> 03:28:42,400
100 million-dollar project that's uh

5351
03:28:42,400 --> 03:28:44,120
that's being completed there

5352
03:28:44,120 --> 03:28:45,480
to provide drinking water for our

5353
03:28:45,480 --> 03:28:47,000
community.

5354
03:28:47,000 --> 03:28:49,040
Um I just like to share a few statistics

5355
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:51,040
with you. Um

5356
03:28:51,040 --> 03:28:54,120
Parks this year, our Parks Division was

5357
03:28:54,120 --> 03:28:57,040
recently absorbed into uh Bryce's

5358
03:28:57,040 --> 03:28:59,040
Department of Recreation. It's now a

5359
03:28:59,040 --> 03:29:02,920
Parks and Recreation Department.

5360
03:29:02,920 --> 03:29:05,320
With that though, I'd like to recognize

5361
03:29:05,320 --> 03:29:07,040
that they are they have provided a

5362
03:29:07,040 --> 03:29:09,640
substantial service to this community in

5363
03:29:09,640 --> 03:29:12,440
providing recreational opportunities at

5364
03:29:12,440 --> 03:29:15,400
parks. And we have some of the nicest

5365
03:29:15,400 --> 03:29:17,960
parks I believe in the state of Utah.

5366
03:29:17,960 --> 03:29:19,640
I'm I'm just going to share some of our

5367
03:29:19,640 --> 03:29:22,280
statistics with you right now though.

5368
03:29:22,280 --> 03:29:25,800
Parks manages the cemetery as well as

5369
03:29:25,800 --> 03:29:29,640
places to play and so forth. We have 34

5370
03:29:29,640 --> 03:29:31,480
34,110

5371
03:29:31,480 --> 03:29:35,000
burial plots in our in our cemetery.

5372
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:38,160
Storm water in in 20

5373
03:29:38,160 --> 03:29:43,680
25 they maintained 3,940

5374
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:46,520
lane miles of road with street sweepers.

5375
03:29:46,520 --> 03:29:47,760
In other words,

5376
03:29:47,760 --> 03:29:49,840
they actually clean the all the gutters

5377
03:29:49,840 --> 03:29:52,040
in the streets probably about eight or

5378
03:29:52,040 --> 03:29:53,720
nine times a year.

5379
03:29:53,720 --> 03:29:56,240
So, if you have a concern with that,

5380
03:29:56,240 --> 03:29:58,120
anybody here that you haven't got your

5381
03:29:58,120 --> 03:30:00,600
street swept then let me know. But we do

5382
03:30:00,600 --> 03:30:03,720
have records of that, so be careful.

5383
03:30:03,720 --> 03:30:07,520
We have documentation on that.

5384
03:30:07,520 --> 03:30:10,960
We're happy to do so. It provides

5385
03:30:10,960 --> 03:30:13,240
it helps to ensure clean environment. A

5386
03:30:13,240 --> 03:30:14,760
lot of that what's in the street and the

5387
03:30:14,760 --> 03:30:16,480
debris that comes in the street then

5388
03:30:16,480 --> 03:30:18,360
goes into our storm water systems. We

5389
03:30:18,360 --> 03:30:20,880
help to strive to maintain that and to

5390
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:23,440
ensure that the waters that flow into

5391
03:30:23,440 --> 03:30:24,400
the

5392
03:30:24,400 --> 03:30:27,080
waters of the state including Utah Lake

5393
03:30:27,080 --> 03:30:28,760
are preserved and kept as clean as

5394
03:30:28,760 --> 03:30:30,120
possible.

5395
03:30:30,120 --> 03:30:32,440
Our streets division

5396
03:30:32,440 --> 03:30:35,320
the cost to reconstruct all of the road

5397
03:30:35,320 --> 03:30:38,280
surfaces that we own today in today's

5398
03:30:38,280 --> 03:30:41,320
dollars would be about 377 million

5399
03:30:41,320 --> 03:30:42,640
dollars.

5400
03:30:42,640 --> 03:30:45,600
So, we we are grateful to the community

5401
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:48,760
and for the support of the funds to help

5402
03:30:48,760 --> 03:30:50,640
provide some really nice quality streets

5403
03:30:50,640 --> 03:30:52,920
I believe in our community. So, thank

5404
03:30:52,920 --> 03:30:55,160
you to the council and and our citizens

5405
03:30:55,160 --> 03:30:56,880
for that support.

5406
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:58,480
Well, we have another division called

5407
03:30:58,480 --> 03:31:00,720
the traffic operations division.

5408
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:05,800
Uh they um actually maintain 11,976

5409
03:31:05,800 --> 03:31:08,120
street signs in the city.

5410
03:31:08,120 --> 03:31:10,400
Um that's a lot of street signs.

5411
03:31:10,400 --> 03:31:14,040
And that's not including uh stop signs,

5412
03:31:14,040 --> 03:31:14,600
uh

5413
03:31:14,600 --> 03:31:16,600
regulatory signs and so forth. That's

5414
03:31:16,600 --> 03:31:18,240
strictly just street signs, address

5415
03:31:18,240 --> 03:31:20,840
signs on your corners. Yeah. The green

5416
03:31:20,840 --> 03:31:22,680
ones that are on the corners. We have

5417
03:31:22,680 --> 03:31:24,160
several other signs though that they do

5418
03:31:24,160 --> 03:31:25,640
maintain as well.

5419
03:31:25,640 --> 03:31:28,400
In fleet, we have 1,360

5420
03:31:28,400 --> 03:31:30,600
total vehicles, equipment, and small

5421
03:31:30,600 --> 03:31:33,120
equipment that we maintain with the

5422
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:35,840
staff of around six fleet mechanics and

5423
03:31:35,840 --> 03:31:37,400
employees.

5424
03:31:37,400 --> 03:31:39,960
In water, uh

5425
03:31:39,960 --> 03:31:43,360
in 2025, we produced 8.7 billion gallons

5426
03:31:43,360 --> 03:31:45,680
of water. On the flip side, on the water

5427
03:31:45,680 --> 03:31:48,520
reclamation side, we treated just over

5428
03:31:48,520 --> 03:31:50,520
uh 3 billion gallons of water. You might

5429
03:31:50,520 --> 03:31:51,640
ask, "Well, what's the difference

5430
03:31:51,640 --> 03:31:56,400
there?" Well, it is 5.7, but um the

5431
03:31:56,400 --> 03:31:58,840
difference is that 5.7 billion gallons

5432
03:31:58,840 --> 03:32:00,920
of water is going onto the ground

5433
03:32:00,920 --> 03:32:03,840
to to water gardens and grass and so

5434
03:32:03,840 --> 03:32:04,880
forth.

5435
03:32:04,880 --> 03:32:07,320
In water reclamation or sewer division,

5436
03:32:07,320 --> 03:32:10,040
we have 154 miles of pipe that was

5437
03:32:10,040 --> 03:32:12,320
cleaned in 2025.

5438
03:32:12,320 --> 03:32:14,560
In our GIS division,

5439
03:32:14,560 --> 03:32:16,680
they maintain all of the citizen connect

5440
03:32:16,680 --> 03:32:19,400
requests that come in through our help

5441
03:32:19,400 --> 03:32:23,840
uh in 311 center. We had 1,522

5442
03:32:23,840 --> 03:32:27,160
uh connect requests by citizens in Orem,

5443
03:32:27,160 --> 03:32:27,800
um

5444
03:32:27,800 --> 03:32:29,320
most of which we have responded and

5445
03:32:29,320 --> 03:32:30,880
satisfied.

5446
03:32:30,880 --> 03:32:32,040
So,

5447
03:32:32,040 --> 03:32:34,720
we are appreciative of your support as

5448
03:32:34,720 --> 03:32:36,520
the mayor and city council and the

5449
03:32:36,520 --> 03:32:38,320
citizens of Orem for all that we were

5450
03:32:38,320 --> 03:32:40,560
able to do to be able to provide a high

5451
03:32:40,560 --> 03:32:42,400
quality and level of service in all of

5452
03:32:42,400 --> 03:32:44,000
these areas. So,

5453
03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:46,520
thank you on behalf of uh

5454
03:32:46,520 --> 03:32:48,360
about 100 employees that we do have at

5455
03:32:48,360 --> 03:32:50,800
our public works department.

5456
03:32:50,800 --> 03:32:56,800
>> Thank you. Thank you for the work and the the

5457
03:32:56,800 --> 03:32:58,040
I know. I'm just so I'm just thinking

5458
03:32:58,040 --> 03:33:00,280
I'm so grateful when I when I flush the

5459
03:33:00,280 --> 03:33:03,400
toilet, it goes away from me and that's

5460
03:33:03,400 --> 03:33:04,600
because of you guys.

5461
03:33:04,600 --> 03:33:06,560
>> One of our models at water reclamation

5462
03:33:06,560 --> 03:33:08,240
is we're here so you can flush with

5463
03:33:08,240 --> 03:33:10,160
confidence. So.

5464
03:33:10,160 --> 03:33:13,400
>> Oh, I like to I'm so confident. Thank

5465
03:33:13,400 --> 03:33:13,880
you.

5466
03:33:13,880 --> 03:33:14,320
>> Thank you.

5467
03:33:14,320 --> 03:33:19,240
>> And they have great drinking water and the streets. Thank you for all of

5468
03:33:19,240 --> 03:33:20,360
you and your team, too.

5469
03:33:20,360 --> 03:33:27,910
>> Thank you all very much.

5470
03:33:27,920 --> 03:33:30,080
» That's what I expect. You know, it says

5471
03:33:30,080 --> 03:33:31,480
well, I don't even know where we put

5472
03:33:31,480 --> 03:33:33,960
that on our our our seal. You can flush

5473
03:33:33,960 --> 03:33:35,440
with confidence. Like no, that doesn't

5474
03:33:35,440 --> 03:33:37,280
belong up there with that right now.

5475
03:33:37,280 --> 03:33:38,360
Anyway,

5476
03:33:38,360 --> 03:33:40,480
um next presentation and our final

5477
03:33:40,480 --> 03:33:42,000
presentation

5478
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:44,080
under the mayor's report and items

5479
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:46,360
report by council is our Orm Youth

5480
03:33:46,360 --> 03:33:49,240
Council report and I would like to

5481
03:33:49,240 --> 03:33:51,280
invite Jenica Jones, our strategies and

5482
03:33:51,280 --> 03:33:53,760
innovation manager, innovations manager,

5483
03:33:53,760 --> 03:33:56,240
Sydney Bailey, our events coordinator,

5484
03:33:56,240 --> 03:33:58,000
and we have some of our youth council

5485
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:00,240
members here tonight. And so I'd like to

5486
03:34:00,240 --> 03:34:06,110
welcome you.

5487
03:34:06,120 --> 03:34:07,760
Oh, they're being shy.

5488
03:34:07,760 --> 03:34:09,200
>> They'll they'll come in a little bit.

5489
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:10,160
>> Oh, they'll come in a little bit. Okay,

5490
03:34:10,160 --> 03:35:06,590
good. Good.

5491
03:35:06,600 --> 03:35:08,520
» All right, thank you Mayor and Council.

5492
03:35:08,520 --> 03:35:10,720
We're excited to be here tonight uh with

5493
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:12,040
some of our youth council members who

5494
03:35:12,040 --> 03:35:13,560
you'll hear you'll hear from in just a

5495
03:35:13,560 --> 03:35:15,720
bit to share a little bit about our

5496
03:35:15,720 --> 03:35:17,160
experience this year.

5497
03:35:17,160 --> 03:35:19,920
>> Yeah, so we've been able to work with 20

5498
03:35:19,920 --> 03:35:21,520
amazing members of the Youth Council

5499
03:35:21,520 --> 03:35:24,920
this year. And as advisors, our role has

5500
03:35:24,920 --> 03:35:26,880
been to coordinate activities,

5501
03:35:26,880 --> 03:35:29,120
facilitate discussions, and help our

5502
03:35:29,120 --> 03:35:31,000
Youth Council members like learn more

5503
03:35:31,000 --> 03:35:32,920
about how Orem works.

5504
03:35:32,920 --> 03:35:34,400
>> Our Youth Council members have spent

5505
03:35:34,400 --> 03:35:36,760
many hours this year serving about our

5506
03:35:36,760 --> 03:35:38,280
serving our community and learning more

5507
03:35:38,280 --> 03:35:40,280
about how Orem works. We're very proud

5508
03:35:40,280 --> 03:35:42,280
of their learning and growth. And today

5509
03:35:42,280 --> 03:35:43,960
you'll have the opportunity to hear from

5510
03:35:43,960 --> 03:35:45,520
a few of our members about their

5511
03:35:45,520 --> 03:35:47,040
accomplishments and takeaways from this

5512
03:35:47,040 --> 03:35:48,760
past year. We want to express our

5513
03:35:48,760 --> 03:35:50,400
gratitude to each of the members of our

5514
03:35:50,400 --> 03:35:52,720
Youth Council and also to you, Mayor and

5515
03:35:52,720 --> 03:35:54,040
Council, for your support of this

5516
03:35:54,040 --> 03:35:56,000
program, especially to those of you,

5517
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:57,480
Jen, Jeff, Crystal, Chris, that have

5518
03:35:57,480 --> 03:35:59,320
been advisors during this past school

5519
03:35:59,320 --> 03:36:00,600
year.

5520
03:36:00,600 --> 03:36:03,000
>> Yeah, and so these are probably some of

5521
03:36:03,000 --> 03:36:06,520
the brightest kids in Orem, and we will

5522
03:36:06,520 --> 03:36:08,520
now turn the time over to a few of them

5523
03:36:08,520 --> 03:36:19,190
to share their experiences with you.

5524
03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:27,950
» Welcome.

5525
03:36:27,960 --> 03:36:29,680
» Good evening, everyone.

5526
03:36:29,680 --> 03:36:31,200
Thank you, Mayor and Council, for the

5527
03:36:31,200 --> 03:36:33,160
opportunity to present. We're very

5528
03:36:33,160 --> 03:36:34,760
excited. My name's June

5529
03:36:34,760 --> 03:36:36,760
Hungerford-Weiss. I'm a sophomore at

5530
03:36:36,760 --> 03:36:38,920
Orem High, and this is my first year

5531
03:36:38,920 --> 03:36:40,280
serving

5532
03:36:40,280 --> 03:36:42,600
on Orem Youth Council.

5533
03:36:42,600 --> 03:36:45,280
>> Hi Mayor and Council. My name is Malu.

5534
03:36:45,280 --> 03:36:47,240
I'm currently 16 and I'm a sophomore at

5535
03:36:47,240 --> 03:36:49,240
Mountain View, and this is also my first

5536
03:36:49,240 --> 03:36:51,560
year on Orem Youth Council.

5537
03:36:51,560 --> 03:36:53,320
>> I'm Katherine Collings. I'm a senior at

5538
03:36:53,320 --> 03:36:54,920
Timpanogos High School,

5539
03:36:54,920 --> 03:36:56,240
and this is my second year on the Youth

5540
03:36:56,240 --> 03:36:57,800
Council.

5541
03:36:57,800 --> 03:36:59,920
>> Perfect. So, just an introduction. This

5542
03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:01,760
year the Youth Council consisted of 20

5543
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:03,760
members. We are all high school students

5544
03:37:03,760 --> 03:37:05,800
in grades 10 through 12 with eight

5545
03:37:05,800 --> 03:37:07,760
members from Timpanogos High School,

5546
03:37:07,760 --> 03:37:09,160
seven members from Mountain View High

5547
03:37:09,160 --> 03:37:10,800
School, four members from Orem High

5548
03:37:10,800 --> 03:37:12,560
School, and one member from the Utah

5549
03:37:12,560 --> 03:37:15,800
County Academy of Science.

5550
03:37:15,800 --> 03:37:16,520
>> Okay.

5551
03:37:16,520 --> 03:37:18,240
Um at our first activities we wrote and

5552
03:37:18,240 --> 03:37:19,760
adopted a mission statement to guide our

5553
03:37:19,760 --> 03:37:21,880
year, reading as follows. Our mission is

5554
03:37:21,880 --> 03:37:23,440
to foster a thriving community in the

5555
03:37:23,440 --> 03:37:25,320
city of Orem by providing exemplary

5556
03:37:25,320 --> 03:37:27,000
service and developing leadership skills

5557
03:37:27,000 --> 03:37:28,040
in order to contribute to our

5558
03:37:28,040 --> 03:37:29,560
communities throughout our lives. We

5559
03:37:29,560 --> 03:37:30,920
believe in having fun while learning and

5560
03:37:30,920 --> 03:37:32,360
developing lasting friendships in which

5561
03:37:32,360 --> 03:37:33,840
everyone feels they belong. Our

5562
03:37:33,840 --> 03:37:35,240
activities throughout the year focus on

5563
03:37:35,240 --> 03:37:36,640
these elements, providing service,

5564
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:38,080
developing leadership skills, learning

5565
03:37:38,080 --> 03:37:39,480
about the city, and developing lasting

5566
03:37:39,480 --> 03:37:41,880
friendships.

5567
03:37:41,880 --> 03:37:43,880
>> So, this year we participated in some

5568
03:37:43,880 --> 03:37:46,640
service projects not only to

5569
03:37:46,640 --> 03:37:48,680
serve the community, but also to

5570
03:37:48,680 --> 03:37:50,560
make our city more beautiful than it

5571
03:37:50,560 --> 03:37:52,120
already is. So, we cleaned up some

5572
03:37:52,120 --> 03:37:55,120
flower beds at Nielsen's Grove Park, and

5573
03:37:55,120 --> 03:37:56,440
we also

5574
03:37:56,440 --> 03:37:58,400
donated some

5575
03:37:58,400 --> 03:38:00,480
We did a clothing, book, and toy drive

5576
03:38:00,480 --> 03:38:03,400
for United Way, and we also did welcome

5577
03:38:03,400 --> 03:38:06,760
baby kits. So, and a lot of other

5578
03:38:06,760 --> 03:38:10,680
activities such as Taste of Orem. We

5579
03:38:10,680 --> 03:38:12,800
volunteered at a Friendship Center dance

5580
03:38:12,800 --> 03:38:14,680
at the Senior Center, and then also

5581
03:38:14,680 --> 03:38:17,080
helping with Lights On.

5582
03:38:17,080 --> 03:38:18,720
>> Perfect. Learning about Orem was really

5583
03:38:18,720 --> 03:38:21,320
fascinating. We participated in a Q&A

5584
03:38:21,320 --> 03:38:22,840
session with our police department,

5585
03:38:22,840 --> 03:38:24,360
learning from our representatives from

5586
03:38:24,360 --> 03:38:25,680
many different divisions within the

5587
03:38:25,680 --> 03:38:27,480
department, including patrol,

5588
03:38:27,480 --> 03:38:29,920
investigations, and evidence. We also

5589
03:38:29,920 --> 03:38:31,720
went on a tour and Q&A session for the

5590
03:38:31,720 --> 03:38:33,440
library, learning about the circulation

5591
03:38:33,440 --> 03:38:35,360
process, the maker space, the new

5592
03:38:35,360 --> 03:38:37,520
greenhouse and courtyard, library hall,

5593
03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:40,630
and more.

5594
03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:42,160
» Um one of the activities that we got to

5595
03:38:42,160 --> 03:38:44,400
participate in was local officials day.

5596
03:38:44,400 --> 03:38:46,120
Um so in January we went on a field trip

5597
03:38:46,120 --> 03:38:47,600
to the Utah State Capitol for locals

5598
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:49,760
officials day officials day along with

5599
03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:51,120
hundreds of other youth council members

5600
03:38:51,120 --> 03:38:52,560
from around the state. We were able to

5601
03:38:52,560 --> 03:38:54,080
meet with Val Peterson, one of the state

5602
03:38:54,080 --> 03:38:55,760
representatives from Orem. We were also

5603
03:38:55,760 --> 03:38:57,240
able to participate in mock debates

5604
03:38:57,240 --> 03:38:58,280
where two of our members had the

5605
03:38:58,280 --> 03:38:59,960
opportunity to present our youth

5606
03:38:59,960 --> 03:39:01,720
council's policy idea to create a

5607
03:39:01,720 --> 03:39:03,240
program where small and medium-sized

5608
03:39:03,240 --> 03:39:04,840
businesses could donate unused food or

5609
03:39:04,840 --> 03:39:06,400
meal vouchers to students in need. We

5610
03:39:06,400 --> 03:39:10,230
learned a lot and had an amazing time.

5611
03:39:10,240 --> 03:39:12,080
» Uh we also did a bunch of activities to

5612
03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:13,720
learn more about our city government. So

5613
03:39:13,720 --> 03:39:16,320
we had a mock city council meeting

5614
03:39:16,320 --> 03:39:20,040
um which we discussed uh issues and from

5615
03:39:20,040 --> 03:39:21,760
our city legal, finance, and planning

5616
03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:22,720
staff.

5617
03:39:22,720 --> 03:39:24,920
And at our last activity, we also

5618
03:39:24,920 --> 03:39:26,640
created and presented our own ideas to

5619
03:39:26,640 --> 03:39:28,560
improve life in Orem such as

5620
03:39:28,560 --> 03:39:29,200
um

5621
03:39:29,200 --> 03:39:30,720
improving residents' emergency

5622
03:39:30,720 --> 03:39:32,560
preparedness knowledge, partnering with

5623
03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:34,000
local businesses to provide

5624
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:35,800
opportunities for youth to gather and

5625
03:39:35,800 --> 03:39:37,000
connect throughout the summer, and

5626
03:39:37,000 --> 03:39:38,400
investing in bike infrastructure

5627
03:39:38,400 --> 03:39:40,680
throughout the city.

5628
03:39:40,680 --> 03:39:42,560
>> So this year Orem Council, I just want

5629
03:39:42,560 --> 03:39:44,440
to say it's been an awesome opportunity

5630
03:39:44,440 --> 03:39:46,160
and I would say my favorite thing about

5631
03:39:46,160 --> 03:39:48,200
OAC was not only the connections and

5632
03:39:48,200 --> 03:39:50,080
memories I made with everyone, but the

5633
03:39:50,080 --> 03:39:52,200
knowledge I gained regarding service and

5634
03:39:52,200 --> 03:39:54,280
how much of an impact that has on each

5635
03:39:54,280 --> 03:39:57,870
and every one of us in Orem.

5636
03:39:57,880 --> 03:39:59,760
» Uh one of my favorite activities was the

5637
03:39:59,760 --> 03:40:01,160
veteran check-in activity where we

5638
03:40:01,160 --> 03:40:03,200
worked with American Legion to call

5639
03:40:03,200 --> 03:40:05,160
veterans that um

5640
03:40:05,160 --> 03:40:06,760
recently came back to just see how they

5641
03:40:06,760 --> 03:40:09,040
were and I just loved doing that because

5642
03:40:09,040 --> 03:40:11,520
I got to see um the veterans and I met a

5643
03:40:11,520 --> 03:40:13,040
lot of awesome people and I'm just so

5644
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:14,000
grateful for what they do for our

5645
03:40:14,000 --> 03:40:15,960
country.

5646
03:40:15,960 --> 03:40:17,440
>> Um I've loved being on Orem Youth

5647
03:40:17,440 --> 03:40:19,680
Council for the past um two years. Um I

5648
03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:21,640
think probably my favorite thing was um

5649
03:40:21,640 --> 03:40:23,160
local officials day and getting to meet

5650
03:40:23,160 --> 03:40:25,120
everybody from all the um different

5651
03:40:25,120 --> 03:40:26,680
youth councils. That was a super fun

5652
03:40:26,680 --> 03:40:28,880
opportunity. Um and I also just loved

5653
03:40:28,880 --> 03:40:30,480
learning about um how much work goes

5654
03:40:30,480 --> 03:40:32,080
into making our city such a wonderful

5655
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:35,390
place to live.

5656
03:40:35,400 --> 03:40:37,240
Thank you, guys.

5657
03:40:37,240 --> 03:40:38,680
Thank you. Council, do you have anything

5658
03:40:38,680 --> 03:40:40,440
you want to know if you want to

5659
03:40:40,440 --> 03:40:42,200
All right, Councilmember Gale. You guys

5660
03:40:42,200 --> 03:40:43,680
were such a fun bunch and there was so

5661
03:40:43,680 --> 03:40:45,000
much energy. It was fun to go to the

5662
03:40:45,000 --> 03:40:46,320
meetings and watch you. I think it was

5663
03:40:46,320 --> 03:40:48,120
the mock city council debate. Jeff, you

5664
03:40:48,120 --> 03:40:49,280
and I were there watching and it there

5665
03:40:49,280 --> 03:40:50,680
was just so much energy and enthusiasm

5666
03:40:50,680 --> 03:40:52,120
and you honestly look like you belonged

5667
03:40:52,120 --> 03:40:53,520
up here. So, I look forward to like 10

5668
03:40:53,520 --> 03:40:54,960
years, 20 years, 30 years down the road

5669
03:40:54,960 --> 03:40:55,880
where you guys will be sitting in these

5670
03:40:55,880 --> 03:40:59,510
seats. So, thank you.

5671
03:40:59,520 --> 03:41:01,720
All right, thank you. Yes, it was so fun

5672
03:41:01,720 --> 03:41:03,280
to get to know some of you some of the

5673
03:41:03,280 --> 03:41:06,280
council better at the the capital when

5674
03:41:06,280 --> 03:41:07,960
we had our at the

5675
03:41:07,960 --> 03:41:09,560
legislature and meet with our

5676
03:41:09,560 --> 03:41:12,040
legislators. And so, thank you for your

5677
03:41:12,040 --> 03:41:14,800
service and I Congratulations on your

5678
03:41:14,800 --> 03:41:16,720
graduation. And are you two coming back

5679
03:41:16,720 --> 03:41:18,080
to youth council next year?

5680
03:41:18,080 --> 03:41:19,240
>> Yes, ma'am.

5681
03:41:19,240 --> 03:41:22,160
>> All right. So, good luck to you going

5682
03:41:22,160 --> 03:41:23,640
forward and we'll see you again next

5683
03:41:23,640 --> 03:41:24,520
year.

5684
03:41:24,520 --> 03:41:25,320
>> Thank you.

5685
03:41:25,320 --> 03:41:25,960
guys.

5686
03:41:25,960 --> 03:41:34,350
>> Thank you.

5687
03:41:34,360 --> 03:41:36,280
» All right, Council. The next item on our

5688
03:41:36,280 --> 03:41:37,800
agenda is

5689
03:41:37,800 --> 03:41:41,520
uh our our agenda Excuse me. Are our

5690
03:41:41,520 --> 03:41:44,200
consent items. We have approval of the

5691
03:41:44,200 --> 03:41:47,280
April 28th and May 5th, 2026 meeting

5692
03:41:47,280 --> 03:41:49,280
minutes, a resolution adopting the Heart

5693
03:41:49,280 --> 03:41:51,760
of Downtown Master Plan, and a an

5694
03:41:51,760 --> 03:41:54,080
appointment to the Historic Preservation

5695
03:41:54,080 --> 03:41:56,640
Advisory Commission. Rod Erickson, Mr.

5696
03:41:56,640 --> 03:41:59,600
Erickson, are you here tonight?

5697
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:01,760
Okay, he's not here here tonight. But we

5698
03:42:01,760 --> 03:42:03,760
I have those are the three items on our

5699
03:42:03,760 --> 03:42:05,720
consent calendar. And I would entertain

5700
03:42:05,720 --> 03:42:08,320
a motion if you'd like to do that.

5701
03:42:08,320 --> 03:42:09,840
>> Here, I move that we approve the consent

5702
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:11,240
items.

5703
03:42:11,240 --> 03:42:12,560
>> All right, thank you. We have a motion.

5704
03:42:12,560 --> 03:42:13,680
Is there a second?

5705
03:42:13,680 --> 03:42:14,560
>> Second.

5706
03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:15,680
>> All right, thank you. We have a motion

5707
03:42:15,680 --> 03:42:17,320
and a second.

5708
03:42:17,320 --> 03:42:18,280
Um

5709
03:42:18,280 --> 03:42:20,280
Go ahead and Councilmember Lamson and

5710
03:42:20,280 --> 03:42:21,480
start with you.

5711
03:42:21,480 --> 03:42:31,200
>> I

5712
03:42:31,200 --> 03:42:32,800
>> All right, the motion carries. Thank

5713
03:42:32,800 --> 03:42:33,960
you.

5714
03:42:33,960 --> 03:42:35,920
Right, the next item on our agenda is

5715
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:38,840
time set aside for personal appearances.

5716
03:42:38,840 --> 03:42:40,640
Time has been set aside for the public

5717
03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:43,080
to express their ideas, concerns, and

5718
03:42:43,080 --> 03:42:45,360
comments on items not scheduled as

5719
03:42:45,360 --> 03:42:47,160
public hearings on the agenda. So, if

5720
03:42:47,160 --> 03:42:49,120
there is something that you like to come

5721
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:50,920
to speak to that is later on in the

5722
03:42:50,920 --> 03:42:53,480
agenda under it has a public hearing

5723
03:42:53,480 --> 03:42:55,400
phrase next to it.

5724
03:42:55,400 --> 03:42:56,640
That's where you will want to do that

5725
03:42:56,640 --> 03:42:59,080
rather than during personal appearances.

5726
03:42:59,080 --> 03:43:01,080
Those wishing to speak are encouraged to

5727
03:43:01,080 --> 03:43:02,600
show respect for those who serve the

5728
03:43:02,600 --> 03:43:05,200
city. Comments should focus on issues

5729
03:43:05,200 --> 03:43:07,080
concerning the city.

5730
03:43:07,080 --> 03:43:09,920
And those who will be speaking during

5731
03:43:09,920 --> 03:43:12,480
personal appearances have signed in

5732
03:43:12,480 --> 03:43:13,960
before the beginning of the meeting and

5733
03:43:13,960 --> 03:43:16,480
I have that right list right here. And I

5734
03:43:16,480 --> 03:43:18,600
would like to just remind you and invite

5735
03:43:18,600 --> 03:43:20,680
you to limit your comments to no more

5736
03:43:20,680 --> 03:43:22,960
than 3 minutes. And

5737
03:43:22,960 --> 03:43:24,640
we'll go ahead and we'll start with

5738
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:27,990
Grant Ivans.

5739
03:43:28,000 --> 03:43:28,960
Welcome.

5740
03:43:28,960 --> 03:43:30,400
>> How's it going?

5741
03:43:30,400 --> 03:43:32,720
Okay, we'll be brief. So, my name is

5742
03:43:32,720 --> 03:43:35,480
Grant. This is my co-founder Nick. We're

5743
03:43:35,480 --> 03:43:38,640
both currently students down at BYU.

5744
03:43:38,640 --> 03:43:41,920
Um right now we're working on a new app

5745
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:44,960
and it's designed to help with community

5746
03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:47,400
security or community safety.

5747
03:43:47,400 --> 03:43:49,680
So, the idea is you guys I'm pretty sure

5748
03:43:49,680 --> 03:43:51,760
all familiar with Google Maps, Waze, and

5749
03:43:51,760 --> 03:43:54,680
how you can create alerts of traffic,

5750
03:43:54,680 --> 03:43:56,120
obstruction on the road, anything. The

5751
03:43:56,120 --> 03:43:58,480
idea is that, but for public safety. So,

5752
03:43:58,480 --> 03:43:59,680
picture you're in your neighborhood and

5753
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:01,200
you can create an alert alerting someone

5754
03:44:01,200 --> 03:44:02,560
of something going on outside of your

5755
03:44:02,560 --> 03:44:04,680
neighborhood. And so, we want to work

5756
03:44:04,680 --> 03:44:06,000
with

5757
03:44:06,000 --> 03:44:08,120
city council to

5758
03:44:08,120 --> 03:44:09,560
Well, we're kind of curious as to how we

5759
03:44:09,560 --> 03:44:11,480
can work with city council. So, Nick is

5760
03:44:11,480 --> 03:44:12,960
going to talk about kind of a legal

5761
03:44:12,960 --> 03:44:14,680
matter that we need to kind of solve and

5762
03:44:14,680 --> 03:44:16,400
figure out. And then we also want you

5763
03:44:16,400 --> 03:44:17,360
guys thinking about how we could

5764
03:44:17,360 --> 03:44:19,200
possibly work with you guys

5765
03:44:19,200 --> 03:44:20,920
and endorsing it, promoting it, or just

5766
03:44:20,920 --> 03:44:22,160
any possible ways we can work with you

5767
03:44:22,160 --> 03:44:22,840
guys to

5768
03:44:22,840 --> 03:44:23,240
>> Okay.

5769
03:44:23,240 --> 03:44:24,000
>> get others. So

5770
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:24,600
>> Thank you.

5771
03:44:24,600 --> 03:44:26,160
>> One other things

5772
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:27,720
>> Yeah, so

5773
03:44:27,720 --> 03:44:29,600
we are actually already in the Google

5774
03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:31,720
Play Store with Android

5775
03:44:31,720 --> 03:44:33,400
but Apple is a little bit more

5776
03:44:33,400 --> 03:44:35,080
restrictive and something that they

5777
03:44:35,080 --> 03:44:38,000
require is that any application working

5778
03:44:38,000 --> 03:44:41,440
in conjunction with community safety,

5779
03:44:41,440 --> 03:44:43,840
crime alerts, stuff like that

5780
03:44:43,840 --> 03:44:46,920
needs to be like there needs to be

5781
03:44:46,920 --> 03:44:51,600
a connection and like an agreement with

5782
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:53,240
the local police department saying yes,

5783
03:44:53,240 --> 03:44:55,040
like they're aware that we're trying to

5784
03:44:55,040 --> 03:44:58,520
help the city like be safer and they

5785
03:44:58,520 --> 03:45:01,000
like approve of that. It's not in any

5786
03:45:01,000 --> 03:45:04,480
way like a legal binding

5787
03:45:04,480 --> 03:45:06,120
commitment. It's just like a recognition

5788
03:45:06,120 --> 03:45:08,000
that yeah, we're aware and okay with

5789
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:08,920
that.

5790
03:45:08,920 --> 03:45:10,840
We talked to a couple of the police

5791
03:45:10,840 --> 03:45:12,880
departments by phone today and they just

5792
03:45:12,880 --> 03:45:16,200
told us that our best bet in like

5793
03:45:16,200 --> 03:45:18,520
getting in contact with the police chief

5794
03:45:18,520 --> 03:45:20,080
would be coming to a city council

5795
03:45:20,080 --> 03:45:23,200
meeting. So that's why we came here.

5796
03:45:23,200 --> 03:45:25,240
Um uh

5797
03:45:25,240 --> 03:45:26,960
but that's kind of

5798
03:45:26,960 --> 03:45:28,080
>> Okay.

5799
03:45:28,080 --> 03:45:30,920
>> So we have that. So I don't know really

5800
03:45:30,920 --> 03:45:32,400
if we just need to meet like a schedule

5801
03:45:32,400 --> 03:45:34,640
meeting to meet with the police chief or

5802
03:45:34,640 --> 03:45:36,440
>> Why don't you take it over to give it to

5803
03:45:36,440 --> 03:45:38,640
our city recorder Teresa

5804
03:45:38,640 --> 03:45:40,760
and uh

5805
03:45:40,760 --> 03:45:42,680
Brent, would you mind

5806
03:45:42,680 --> 03:45:45,120
I you talk about that at at exact staff

5807
03:45:45,120 --> 03:45:47,280
to learn what the best way to go about

5808
03:45:47,280 --> 03:45:49,840
that is if if it's something we can do

5809
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:51,560
or or look at it.

5810
03:45:51,560 --> 03:45:53,320
>> Yeah, no promises but we'll definitely

5811
03:45:53,320 --> 03:45:54,560
look into it.

5812
03:45:54,560 --> 03:45:57,200
>> Um just one more quick thing. So well

5813
03:45:57,200 --> 03:45:58,480
one thing we noticed when like doing

5814
03:45:58,480 --> 03:46:00,520
research was that sometimes city

5815
03:46:00,520 --> 03:46:03,440
councils they allocate a budget to

5816
03:46:03,440 --> 03:46:05,360
neighborhood watch with the police

5817
03:46:05,360 --> 03:46:06,560
departments or something like that of

5818
03:46:06,560 --> 03:46:07,720
the sorts and I guess we're kind of

5819
03:46:07,720 --> 03:46:08,920
curious to see what Orem has for

5820
03:46:08,920 --> 03:46:10,840
neighborhood watch in your city like how

5821
03:46:10,840 --> 03:46:12,720
you guys kind of mitigate

5822
03:46:12,720 --> 03:46:14,520
going through and doing stuff like that.

5823
03:46:14,520 --> 03:46:16,320
>> Tonight, you're lucky night because

5824
03:46:16,320 --> 03:46:18,120
we're talking about the budget. But if

5825
03:46:18,120 --> 03:46:19,960
But rather than sit through all that, if

5826
03:46:19,960 --> 03:46:21,880
you I don't know if if someone from our

5827
03:46:21,880 --> 03:46:24,320
staff can talk about what

5828
03:46:24,320 --> 03:46:25,840
if what our budget is for community

5829
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:27,960
policing or neighborhood watch. Is there

5830
03:46:27,960 --> 03:46:30,400
anyone or we get back with them?

5831
03:46:30,400 --> 03:46:32,120
Okay, Chief Robinson will get back with

5832
03:46:32,120 --> 03:46:32,480
you.

5833
03:46:32,480 --> 03:46:33,000
>> Okay.

5834
03:46:33,000 --> 03:46:33,800
>> on that.

5835
03:46:33,800 --> 03:46:34,920
>> Perfect. Thank you, guys.

5836
03:46:34,920 --> 03:46:37,440
>> All right, thank you.

5837
03:46:37,440 --> 03:46:45,790
All right, next we have Lenore Rudolph.

5838
03:46:45,800 --> 03:46:49,520
» Hi, my name is Lenore Rudolph and I'm

5839
03:46:49,520 --> 03:46:51,800
um lived in Utah County for over half my

5840
03:46:51,800 --> 03:46:52,840
life

5841
03:46:52,840 --> 03:46:55,320
in both Provo and Orem.

5842
03:46:55,320 --> 03:46:57,280
And a couple weeks ago I was here when

5843
03:46:57,280 --> 03:46:58,920
we were talking about short-term rentals

5844
03:46:58,920 --> 03:47:00,480
and I noticed that

5845
03:47:00,480 --> 03:47:01,560
there was nobody talking about the

5846
03:47:01,560 --> 03:47:03,280
benefit of short-term rentals to people

5847
03:47:03,280 --> 03:47:05,160
who don't own short-term rentals, but

5848
03:47:05,160 --> 03:47:06,520
might use them here in the city. So, I

5849
03:47:06,520 --> 03:47:07,760
thought I would

5850
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:09,160
put my name in the hat and give you a

5851
03:47:09,160 --> 03:47:11,680
little bit of information about how the

5852
03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:13,680
short-term rentals have have enhanced

5853
03:47:13,680 --> 03:47:15,720
our family's life.

5854
03:47:15,720 --> 03:47:16,720
Um

5855
03:47:16,720 --> 03:47:18,560
there are three points.

5856
03:47:18,560 --> 03:47:20,080
Um

5857
03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:22,600
Today I want to talk about the value.

5858
03:47:22,600 --> 03:47:24,320
Oh, see, I do want to go back to

5859
03:47:24,320 --> 03:47:26,280
something that I didn't say.

5860
03:47:26,280 --> 03:47:27,640
Um

5861
03:47:27,640 --> 03:47:29,840
I love that this area is family

5862
03:47:29,840 --> 03:47:32,400
oriented, kind, service oriented, and

5863
03:47:32,400 --> 03:47:33,760
that we have a community that looks

5864
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:36,080
after one another.

5865
03:47:36,080 --> 03:47:37,320
I want to talk about three different

5866
03:47:37,320 --> 03:47:39,360
things. Family reunions are all about

5867
03:47:39,360 --> 03:47:41,320
family, so Family City USA is the right

5868
03:47:41,320 --> 03:47:43,800
place for that. Um when a family is in

5869
03:47:43,800 --> 03:47:45,720
crisis, having a short-term rental

5870
03:47:45,720 --> 03:47:47,480
nearby so a family member can come and

5871
03:47:47,480 --> 03:47:50,560
help is really a helpful and wonderful

5872
03:47:50,560 --> 03:47:52,840
um service that short-term rentals

5873
03:47:52,840 --> 03:47:55,720
provide. And housing in Orem can

5874
03:47:55,720 --> 03:47:58,520
potentially price out young families. Um

5875
03:47:58,520 --> 03:48:00,840
and then being able to rent a portion of

5876
03:48:00,840 --> 03:48:02,400
your home as a

5877
03:48:02,400 --> 03:48:04,640
short-term rental can help you pay your

5878
03:48:04,640 --> 03:48:06,480
mortgage. And so, that is

5879
03:48:06,480 --> 03:48:08,040
the three things that I wanted to point

5880
03:48:08,040 --> 03:48:11,040
out. Um grew up connecting with family

5881
03:48:11,040 --> 03:48:12,960
at family reunions

5882
03:48:12,960 --> 03:48:14,760
knowing my cousins, second cousins,

5883
03:48:14,760 --> 03:48:16,320
aunts, uncles, great aunts, and great

5884
03:48:16,320 --> 03:48:17,360
uncles.

5885
03:48:17,360 --> 03:48:19,040
And my parents cousins have enhanced my

5886
03:48:19,040 --> 03:48:21,670
life.

5887
03:48:21,680 --> 03:48:25,360
We have started having family reunions

5888
03:48:25,360 --> 03:48:27,720
that are just for my parents in our in

5889
03:48:27,720 --> 03:48:30,120
our family and we have had family

5890
03:48:30,120 --> 03:48:31,480
reunions

5891
03:48:31,480 --> 03:48:33,160
across the nation all the way from the

5892
03:48:33,160 --> 03:48:36,520
East Coast to the West Coast.

5893
03:48:36,520 --> 03:48:39,840
Idaho, Utah, Bear Lake, everywhere. And

5894
03:48:39,840 --> 03:48:42,480
just last summer, 2025, we had a family

5895
03:48:42,480 --> 03:48:44,960
reunion here in Orem in a large house

5896
03:48:44,960 --> 03:48:47,480
that accommodated over 50 people.

5897
03:48:47,480 --> 03:48:50,040
We had heard about it from the McMurray

5898
03:48:50,040 --> 03:48:52,760
family who is related to us because one

5899
03:48:52,760 --> 03:48:54,360
of the niece one of our nieces is in

5900
03:48:54,360 --> 03:48:56,600
that family and it was wonderful. They

5901
03:48:56,600 --> 03:48:58,480
had brought 11 children and all their

5902
03:48:58,480 --> 03:48:59,960
spouses and grandchildren and said it

5903
03:48:59,960 --> 03:49:02,240
was a wonderful place to stay.

5904
03:49:02,240 --> 03:49:04,760
So my parents, Leonard and JoAnn Hadden,

5905
03:49:04,760 --> 03:49:06,440
brought their six children, six spouses,

5906
03:49:06,440 --> 03:49:08,080
24 grandchildren,

5907
03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:09,280
some

5908
03:49:09,280 --> 03:49:10,960
spouses of some of the grandchildren,

5909
03:49:10,960 --> 03:49:13,120
some fiancés, some boyfriends and

5910
03:49:13,120 --> 03:49:14,120
girlfriends who were just being

5911
03:49:14,120 --> 03:49:15,760
introduced to the family and were not

5912
03:49:15,760 --> 03:49:18,160
like blood related but they're because

5913
03:49:18,160 --> 03:49:19,640
they're part of the family. Very

5914
03:49:19,640 --> 03:49:21,320
inclusive family.

5915
03:49:21,320 --> 03:49:25,480
The couple of kitchens, 18 bedrooms,

5916
03:49:25,480 --> 03:49:27,720
a pool, everything made it just a really

5917
03:49:27,720 --> 03:49:30,080
lovely visit. Additionally, there was a

5918
03:49:30,080 --> 03:49:31,880
elevator in the house and my husband who

5919
03:49:31,880 --> 03:49:33,480
uses a wheelchair full-time was able to

5920
03:49:33,480 --> 03:49:35,880
participate in everything which was just

5921
03:49:35,880 --> 03:49:38,400
wonderful. Um

5922
03:49:38,400 --> 03:49:40,960
So that's family reunions. Recently, our

5923
03:49:40,960 --> 03:49:42,720
autistic son had Oh my gosh, I'm out of

5924
03:49:42,720 --> 03:49:43,680
time.

5925
03:49:43,680 --> 03:49:46,120
He had a crisis and we had my daughter

5926
03:49:46,120 --> 03:49:48,120
come and stay at a rental for a month

5927
03:49:48,120 --> 03:49:50,720
and help us out. And I will close but

5928
03:49:50,720 --> 03:49:53,640
thank you so much um mayor and council

5929
03:49:53,640 --> 03:49:56,360
members for letting me express how

5930
03:49:56,360 --> 03:49:57,840
short-term rentals really help people

5931
03:49:57,840 --> 03:50:01,200
here in Orem who are here as residents.

5932
03:50:01,200 --> 03:50:03,360
>> Thank you, uh Ms. Rudolph. Appreciate

5933
03:50:03,360 --> 03:50:04,520
your comments.

5934
03:50:04,520 --> 03:50:06,160
Right. Um

5935
03:50:06,160 --> 03:50:13,670
Leonard Hadden.

5936
03:50:13,680 --> 03:50:17,800
» My name is Leonard Hadden. I have um

5937
03:50:17,800 --> 03:50:20,080
lived um border to border and coast to

5938
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:21,960
coast, but for the past 10 years I've

5939
03:50:21,960 --> 03:50:23,680
lived here in Orem.

5940
03:50:23,680 --> 03:50:26,080
And before that I've lived in this area

5941
03:50:26,080 --> 03:50:30,390
for a total of 19 years.

5942
03:50:30,400 --> 03:50:32,360
We have six children. I don't think

5943
03:50:32,360 --> 03:50:35,160
that's exceptional in the city of Orem.

5944
03:50:35,160 --> 03:50:37,080
But they're scattered from Germany to

5945
03:50:37,080 --> 03:50:40,480
California and from

5946
03:50:40,480 --> 03:50:42,560
uh I don't know, from here Utah and

5947
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:45,000
California and and Idaho.

5948
03:50:45,000 --> 03:50:47,640
And we have been having

5949
03:50:47,640 --> 03:50:50,320
semi-annual reunions, I think that's

5950
03:50:50,320 --> 03:50:53,400
called once every 2 years.

5951
03:50:53,400 --> 03:50:56,120
And we've had to travel many hundreds of

5952
03:50:56,120 --> 03:50:58,080
miles most of the time to have those

5953
03:50:58,080 --> 03:51:00,200
reunions to find something to

5954
03:51:00,200 --> 03:51:03,600
accommodate 50 or so people.

5955
03:51:03,600 --> 03:51:05,400
And uh that's how many people we had at

5956
03:51:05,400 --> 03:51:08,200
our reunion last year in

5957
03:51:08,200 --> 03:51:10,400
we found a building, a home here in Orem

5958
03:51:10,400 --> 03:51:12,440
that would accommodate that large number

5959
03:51:12,440 --> 03:51:14,520
of people comfortably.

5960
03:51:14,520 --> 03:51:18,200
Uh at and it was uh a very

5961
03:51:18,200 --> 03:51:22,000
uh successful experience for us.

5962
03:51:22,000 --> 03:51:24,200
I realize that uh there are some

5963
03:51:24,200 --> 03:51:26,040
problems that you are trying to

5964
03:51:26,040 --> 03:51:28,080
accommodate, but I think

5965
03:51:28,080 --> 03:51:30,520
by making it impossible for people to

5966
03:51:30,520 --> 03:51:32,640
use their property

5967
03:51:32,640 --> 03:51:34,720
in an appropriate way

5968
03:51:34,720 --> 03:51:38,880
is like looking for a problem

5969
03:51:38,880 --> 03:51:40,960
or looking for a solution looking for a

5970
03:51:40,960 --> 03:51:43,080
problem that doesn't exist.

5971
03:51:43,080 --> 03:51:45,120
Or there are other ways to whatever

5972
03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:47,640
those problems might be to find

5973
03:51:47,640 --> 03:51:49,080
solutions.

5974
03:51:49,080 --> 03:51:52,160
And I I would really appreciate it if we

5975
03:51:52,160 --> 03:51:58,200
could utilize our property uh, in appropriate ways and not limit it

5976
03:51:58,200 --> 03:52:00,880
on the basis of who's there and how long

5977
03:52:00,880 --> 03:52:02,600
they're here and how they're related and

5978
03:52:02,600 --> 03:52:05,400
how they're not related as long as they

5979
03:52:05,400 --> 03:52:08,000
behave appropriately. And I think that's

5980
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:10,320
what I would like to say.

5981
03:52:10,320 --> 03:52:12,200
>> Right. Thank you. Appreciate you coming

5982
03:52:12,200 --> 03:52:13,880
this evening.

5983
03:52:13,880 --> 03:52:15,560
That concludes our personal appearance

5984
03:52:15,560 --> 03:52:18,560
section of our meeting.

5985
03:52:18,560 --> 03:52:21,360
So, Council, go ahead and go on to our

5986
03:52:21,360 --> 03:52:24,720
scheduled items. The first item on our

5987
03:52:24,720 --> 03:52:26,840
scheduled items is a public hearing,

5988
03:52:26,840 --> 03:52:28,680
excuse me, public hearing. It's an

5989
03:52:28,680 --> 03:52:32,200
ordinance request to vacate a 0.16 acre

5990
03:52:32,200 --> 03:52:35,080
portion of 1000 South right-of-way

5991
03:52:35,080 --> 03:52:38,680
terminating at 590 East. So, I would

5992
03:52:38,680 --> 03:52:41,600
like to invite Jared Hall, our planning

5993
03:52:41,600 --> 03:52:43,240
manager,

5994
03:52:43,240 --> 03:52:47,070
to come forward.

5995
03:52:47,080 --> 03:52:48,640
And Mr. Hall, while you're waiting, is

5996
03:52:48,640 --> 03:52:50,320
the app- Is this something that Is there

5997
03:52:50,320 --> 03:52:52,600
an applicant here as well?

5998
03:52:52,600 --> 03:52:54,440
Or is this Is the city

5999
03:52:54,440 --> 03:52:56,760
I'm trying to remember the city's

6000
03:52:56,760 --> 03:52:57,680
Is this Is this the

6001
03:52:57,680 --> 03:52:59,760
>> There is a petitioner, uh, Woodbury

6002
03:52:59,760 --> 03:53:01,360
Group, but, um, they're not here

6003
03:53:01,360 --> 03:53:03,120
tonight. They weren't able to be here.

6004
03:53:03,120 --> 03:53:05,320
>> Okay. Okay, then I won't I won't turn

6005
03:53:05,320 --> 03:53:07,280
the time over to them.

6006
03:53:07,280 --> 03:53:09,160
>> Thank you. Um,

6007
03:53:09,160 --> 03:53:11,320
so this is a request, as you said, to

6008
03:53:11,320 --> 03:53:13,400
vacate a portion of right-of-way, uh,

6009
03:53:13,400 --> 03:53:15,240
right here just the terminus of 1000

6010
03:53:15,240 --> 03:53:17,920
South uh, as it hits the shopping center

6011
03:53:17,920 --> 03:53:19,080
at the Union

6012
03:53:19,080 --> 03:53:20,200
I always say Union, I'm sorry,

6013
03:53:20,200 --> 03:53:21,680
University Place.

6014
03:53:21,680 --> 03:53:23,280
Um, vacating right-of-way is slightly

6015
03:53:23,280 --> 03:53:25,680
different than surplus property or other

6016
03:53:25,680 --> 03:53:26,760
property that we own. Right-of-ways are

6017
03:53:26,760 --> 03:53:28,920
distinct and they have to be vacated.

6018
03:53:28,920 --> 03:53:30,920
They're vacated to the parties on either

6019
03:53:30,920 --> 03:53:32,280
side, adjacent to either side of the

6020
03:53:32,280 --> 03:53:34,160
right-of-way portion to be vacated. In

6021
03:53:34,160 --> 03:53:35,560
this case,

6022
03:53:35,560 --> 03:53:36,800
it's easiest to understand it looking at

6023
03:53:36,800 --> 03:53:38,720
a couple of maps. This is the area that

6024
03:53:38,720 --> 03:53:40,000
we're talking about in that red square.

6025
03:53:40,000 --> 03:53:42,560
It's 0.16 acres, as you mentioned. Um,

6026
03:53:42,560 --> 03:53:43,960
it's been planned as part of the new

6027
03:53:43,960 --> 03:53:45,960
Home Depot that's being built, uh, in

6028
03:53:45,960 --> 03:53:47,760
that area and it's been approved. Uh, as

6029
03:53:47,760 --> 03:53:49,960
the plat gets ready to be recorded, uh,

6030
03:53:49,960 --> 03:53:52,880
we need to finish vacating this, um,

6031
03:53:52,880 --> 03:53:54,520
and that's basically what we're doing.

6032
03:53:54,520 --> 03:53:56,640
This is the description of it.

6033
03:53:56,640 --> 03:53:59,040
Um this part has already been given over

6034
03:53:59,040 --> 03:54:00,960
in the past. These two properties that

6035
03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:02,880
are adjacent to it and the parts here as

6036
03:54:02,880 --> 03:54:05,320
well are all owned uh by the shopping

6037
03:54:05,320 --> 03:54:06,600
center. So, they're they're the ones

6038
03:54:06,600 --> 03:54:09,040
that will receive that acreage and it'll

6039
03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:11,120
be absorbed into the Home Depot site.

6040
03:54:11,120 --> 03:54:13,240
That is the request in a nutshell.

6041
03:54:13,240 --> 03:54:15,040
>> Thank you, Mr. Hall. Council, do you

6042
03:54:15,040 --> 03:54:16,560
have any questions for Mr. Hall?

6043
03:54:16,560 --> 03:54:19,400
>> I have a question. So, it you know, cuz

6044
03:54:19,400 --> 03:54:22,080
I'm looking and the lines don't line up.

6045
03:54:22,080 --> 03:54:24,480
Is that because of the 7-ft buffer that

6046
03:54:24,480 --> 03:54:25,320
we added?

6047
03:54:25,320 --> 03:54:26,520
>> Yeah, that's part of that that's part of

6048
03:54:26,520 --> 03:54:27,880
that right-of-way as well.

6049
03:54:27,880 --> 03:54:29,480
>> Perfect. Thank you.

6050
03:54:29,480 --> 03:54:31,240
All right. Any other questions for Mr.

6051
03:54:31,240 --> 03:54:32,600
Hall?

6052
03:54:32,600 --> 03:54:35,080
All right. This is a public hearing. So,

6053
03:54:35,080 --> 03:54:36,840
I invite I'll open that the public

6054
03:54:36,840 --> 03:54:39,560
hearing up and invite anyone here who

6055
03:54:39,560 --> 03:54:42,280
would like to speak on this particular

6056
03:54:42,280 --> 03:54:50,910
agenda item to do so now.

6057
03:54:50,920 --> 03:54:53,120
All right. I don't see anybody who is

6058
03:54:53,120 --> 03:54:55,440
coming forward. So, I'll go ahead and

6059
03:54:55,440 --> 03:54:58,440
close the public hearing and bring this

6060
03:54:58,440 --> 03:54:59,920
back to the city council for

6061
03:54:59,920 --> 03:55:05,350
consideration.

6062
03:55:05,360 --> 03:55:07,200
» Uh Jared, quick question.

6063
03:55:07,200 --> 03:55:07,760
>> Sure.

6064
03:55:07,760 --> 03:55:09,400
>> Um I think I understand this from our

6065
03:55:09,400 --> 03:55:11,360
planning commission meeting, um but I

6066
03:55:11,360 --> 03:55:13,280
just want to confirm that vacating the

6067
03:55:13,280 --> 03:55:14,680
right-of-way here

6068
03:55:14,680 --> 03:55:15,840
is just vacating right-of-way in a

6069
03:55:15,840 --> 03:55:17,080
property that is already owned by

6070
03:55:17,080 --> 03:55:18,680
University Place

6071
03:55:18,680 --> 03:55:20,280
um and has no effect on the

6072
03:55:20,280 --> 03:55:20,760
neighborhood.

6073
03:55:20,760 --> 03:55:22,080
>> It doesn't impact the neighborhood at

6074
03:55:22,080 --> 03:55:24,040
all. That's correct. So, the folks that

6075
03:55:24,040 --> 03:55:26,600
use uh 1000 South right now and access

6076
03:55:26,600 --> 03:55:27,880
the properties from it will still be

6077
03:55:27,880 --> 03:55:29,320
able to do that.

6078
03:55:29,320 --> 03:55:31,440
It's already kind of effectively it's

6079
03:55:31,440 --> 03:55:33,000
bordered by only property that's owned

6080
03:55:33,000 --> 03:55:34,480
by the Woodbury Group and that and the

6081
03:55:34,480 --> 03:55:36,960
shopping center. So.

6082
03:55:36,960 --> 03:55:38,520
>> All right. Thank you. Any other

6083
03:55:38,520 --> 03:55:40,520
questions? All right. What would you

6084
03:55:40,520 --> 03:55:45,830
like to do, Council?

6085
03:55:45,840 --> 03:55:47,600
» All right. I'll make a movement that we

6086
03:55:47,600 --> 03:55:50,960
approve of the vacation of the 0.16 acre

6087
03:55:50,960 --> 03:55:53,760
portion of the 1000 South right-of-way

6088
03:55:53,760 --> 03:55:56,240
terminating at 590 East.

6089
03:55:56,240 --> 03:55:57,960
>> Right, thank you. A motion. Is there a

6090
03:55:57,960 --> 03:55:59,240
second to the motion?

6091
03:55:59,240 --> 03:56:00,000
>> I'll second.

6092
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:01,920
>> Right, thank you Council member Gale. Is

6093
03:56:01,920 --> 03:56:04,000
there any more discussion on it before

6094
03:56:04,000 --> 03:56:06,040
we vote?

6095
03:56:06,040 --> 03:56:08,200
All right, I will start the voting with

6096
03:56:08,200 --> 03:56:10,600
Council member Millet.

6097
03:56:10,600 --> 03:56:12,160
>> I vote aye.

6098
03:56:12,160 --> 03:56:18,000
>> Aye.

6099
03:56:18,000 --> 03:56:19,280
>> All right, thank you. The motion

6100
03:56:19,280 --> 03:56:20,600
carries.

6101
03:56:20,600 --> 03:56:22,760
>> Thank you.

6102
03:56:22,760 --> 03:56:26,040
>> All right, we have now have item 10.2.

6103
03:56:26,040 --> 03:56:28,200
It's another public hearing and it's an

6104
03:56:28,200 --> 03:56:30,760
ordinance request to amend Article

6105
03:56:30,760 --> 03:56:33,360
22-5-3A

6106
03:56:33,360 --> 03:56:35,040
and the zoning map of the city of Orem

6107
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:36,560
by changing the zone of the property

6108
03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:39,880
located generally at 92 South 800 East

6109
03:56:39,880 --> 03:56:43,120
from R8 single-family residential to C1

6110
03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:46,560
commercial. Approximately 1 acres 1.0

6111
03:56:46,560 --> 03:56:48,200
acres in conjunction with a development

6112
03:56:48,200 --> 03:56:50,040
agreement limiting the use of the

6113
03:56:50,040 --> 03:56:52,760
property to assisted living facilities.

6114
03:56:52,760 --> 03:56:55,880
So, we'll turn the time over to you, Mr.

6115
03:56:55,880 --> 03:56:56,360
Hall.

6116
03:56:56,360 --> 03:56:57,440
>> Thank you, and thank you for reading

6117
03:56:57,440 --> 03:56:59,680
through the whole thing. That's it's a

6118
03:56:59,680 --> 03:57:01,720
long description, but this is a little

6119
03:57:01,720 --> 03:57:03,720
different this particular zone map

6120
03:57:03,720 --> 03:57:05,960
amendment request. This is the Spring

6121
03:57:05,960 --> 03:57:07,880
Hollow Care Center.

6122
03:57:07,880 --> 03:57:10,360
All the land surrounding it is zoned R8.

6123
03:57:10,360 --> 03:57:13,160
It's all solid in a residential area.

6124
03:57:13,160 --> 03:57:14,520
Just a couple of things, we'll come back

6125
03:57:14,520 --> 03:57:16,000
to them quickly, but there was a public

6126
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:17,400
hearing on March 18th. The Planning

6127
03:57:17,400 --> 03:57:19,400
Commission did recommend approval, but

6128
03:57:19,400 --> 03:57:20,560
in conjunction with a development

6129
03:57:20,560 --> 03:57:21,880
agreement to further control that

6130
03:57:21,880 --> 03:57:24,320
because it is all surrounded by RA

6131
03:57:24,320 --> 03:57:26,520
zoning. Um

6132
03:57:26,520 --> 03:57:27,680
one of the

6133
03:57:27,680 --> 03:57:29,360
most important points in this particular

6134
03:57:29,360 --> 03:57:31,160
application is that this care center,

6135
03:57:31,160 --> 03:57:32,480
that you can see the church to the north

6136
03:57:32,480 --> 03:57:35,480
of the Union Canal is just to the west.

6137
03:57:35,480 --> 03:57:37,480
Um

6138
03:57:37,480 --> 03:57:38,240
one of the important things to

6139
03:57:38,240 --> 03:57:39,760
understand is that the subject property

6140
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:41,800
is zoned R8 and this is a care center.

6141
03:57:41,800 --> 03:57:43,560
It's legal but non-conforming. It was

6142
03:57:43,560 --> 03:57:45,200
approved under a conditional use permit

6143
03:57:45,200 --> 03:57:46,920
in 1997.

6144
03:57:46,920 --> 03:57:49,080
Uh and it at that time the city did

6145
03:57:49,080 --> 03:57:50,880
allow larger numbers and they set the

6146
03:57:50,880 --> 03:57:54,040
number of uh beds in a facility like this and

6147
03:57:54,040 --> 03:57:55,800
allowed them in residential zones based

6148
03:57:55,800 --> 03:57:58,760
on a conditional use. Uh later on things

6149
03:57:58,760 --> 03:58:00,280
were changed and the numbers that are

6150
03:58:00,280 --> 03:58:03,320
allowed under that code uh got smaller.

6151
03:58:03,320 --> 03:58:05,840
So, currently uh in residential zoning

6152
03:58:05,840 --> 03:58:07,400
there aren't facilities with more or

6153
03:58:07,400 --> 03:58:08,520
there aren't facilities allowed with

6154
03:58:08,520 --> 03:58:10,720
more than eight beds, eight residents.

6155
03:58:10,720 --> 03:58:13,280
Uh this one currently has more than that

6156
03:58:13,280 --> 03:58:14,880
and they would add they want to add an

6157
03:58:14,880 --> 03:58:17,240
addition that would allow 18 more beds.

6158
03:58:17,240 --> 03:58:18,840
Uh in order to do that, because of their

6159
03:58:18,840 --> 03:58:21,280
status as legal non-conforming, uh the

6160
03:58:21,280 --> 03:58:23,160
only the only really the only real

6161
03:58:23,160 --> 03:58:24,480
recourse they would have would be to

6162
03:58:24,480 --> 03:58:26,720
change the zoning. Um they really just

6163
03:58:26,720 --> 03:58:28,200
want to expand their non-conforming use,

6164
03:58:28,200 --> 03:58:30,200
but you can only do that in certain ways

6165
03:58:30,200 --> 03:58:33,120
and it it wasn't um manageable

6166
03:58:33,120 --> 03:58:34,960
in the in the in the zoning that we

6167
03:58:34,960 --> 03:58:39,080
have. So, they're asking for a C1 zone.

6168
03:58:39,080 --> 03:58:40,440
I think I put C2 there, but their

6169
03:58:40,440 --> 03:58:42,560
application is for C1 zoning.

6170
03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:47,320
Um and in that zone you can have a facility

6171
03:58:47,320 --> 03:58:47,960
uh

6172
03:58:47,960 --> 03:58:49,880
for assisted living and they've proposed

6173
03:58:49,880 --> 03:58:53,160
a development agreement in order to

6174
03:58:53,160 --> 03:58:56,280
number one, limit the the uh use,

6175
03:58:56,280 --> 03:58:57,800
although there are several uses in the

6176
03:58:57,800 --> 03:58:59,040
C1 zone that are allowed different

6177
03:58:59,040 --> 03:59:00,800
service uses, etc.

6178
03:59:00,800 --> 03:59:02,440
Um they just want to expand this

6179
03:59:02,440 --> 03:59:03,960
facility, so they're willing to enter a

6180
03:59:03,960 --> 03:59:05,120
development agreement that would limit

6181
03:59:05,120 --> 03:59:06,960
the use to assisted living facilities

6182
03:59:06,960 --> 03:59:09,960
and then further limit um that land use

6183
03:59:09,960 --> 03:59:12,040
code to

6184
03:59:12,040 --> 03:59:13,920
assisted living facilities for persons

6185
03:59:13,920 --> 03:59:15,920
60 years of age and older.

6186
03:59:15,920 --> 03:59:18,040
Um that's that's effectively how they

6187
03:59:18,040 --> 03:59:18,920
would

6188
03:59:18,920 --> 03:59:20,800
limit their uses and then um the

6189
03:59:20,800 --> 03:59:22,080
applicant is here tonight and can talk

6190
03:59:22,080 --> 03:59:25,200
more about uh some of those things. Um

6191
03:59:25,200 --> 03:59:27,280
the development agreement has been

6192
03:59:27,280 --> 03:59:29,400
proposed and would do those things and

6193
03:59:29,400 --> 03:59:30,960
that's that would allow the the

6194
03:59:30,960 --> 03:59:34,080
expansion of the facility. Um

6195
03:59:34,080 --> 03:59:35,960
there are this is There would tie this

6196
03:59:35,960 --> 03:59:37,560
to a concept plan

6197
03:59:37,560 --> 03:59:39,400
um for their expansion. As we said, it's

6198
03:59:39,400 --> 03:59:41,000
18 more beds they want to do. It would

6199
03:59:41,000 --> 03:59:43,520
be a two-story addition between the two

6200
03:59:43,520 --> 03:59:45,440
existing buildings that would add some

6201
03:59:45,440 --> 03:59:47,360
more space for them for kitchen and

6202
03:59:47,360 --> 03:59:48,800
dining facilities and again those

6203
03:59:48,800 --> 03:59:51,360
additional beds. They're already 32

6204
03:59:51,360 --> 03:59:52,920
existing rooms. This would be 18 more

6205
03:59:52,920 --> 03:59:54,280
proposed.

6206
03:59:54,280 --> 03:59:56,400
And a few additional parking spaces as

6207
03:59:56,400 --> 03:59:57,640
well. They would still meet parking

6208
03:59:57,640 --> 03:59:59,960
standards for these kinds of facilities.

6209
03:59:59,960 --> 04:00:03,040
In that in that zone if they're approved

6210
04:00:03,040 --> 04:00:04,200
for the rezone.

6211
04:00:04,200 --> 04:00:06,240
Again, the reason for that development

6212
04:00:06,240 --> 04:00:08,160
agreement is to control that rezone so

6213
04:00:08,160 --> 04:00:09,600
that it doesn't allow anything but the

6214
04:00:09,600 --> 04:00:11,800
expansion of their existing facility.

6215
04:00:11,800 --> 04:00:13,880
That's the purpose.

6216
04:00:13,880 --> 04:00:15,240
>> All right. Thank you. Council, do you

6217
04:00:15,240 --> 04:00:18,440
have any questions for Mr. Hall?

6218
04:00:18,440 --> 04:00:20,240
>> For this um

6219
04:00:20,240 --> 04:00:23,680
C1 zone, can they um

6220
04:00:23,680 --> 04:00:26,080
are those parking spots going to

6221
04:00:26,080 --> 04:00:27,880
is it possible for them to be assigned

6222
04:00:27,880 --> 04:00:30,000
to specific units?

6223
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:31,240
Or will they always be a general

6224
04:00:31,240 --> 04:00:32,240
parking?

6225
04:00:32,240 --> 04:00:34,120
>> I don't know that they couldn't be

6226
04:00:34,120 --> 04:00:35,680
assigned to specific units. I'm not

6227
04:00:35,680 --> 04:00:37,520
sure. I'm sorry, but the plan was just

6228
04:00:37,520 --> 04:00:39,800
for them to be general spaces because

6229
04:00:39,800 --> 04:00:41,080
most people don't drive in these

6230
04:00:41,080 --> 04:00:42,600
facilities. So it's mostly visitors and

6231
04:00:42,600 --> 04:00:43,480
employees.

6232
04:00:43,480 --> 04:00:44,680
>> That's what it looked like from the

6233
04:00:44,680 --> 04:00:46,040
layout of the bedroom of the rooms. I

6234
04:00:46,040 --> 04:00:46,680
wondered if

6235
04:00:46,680 --> 04:00:48,760
>> So I guess the reason I'm asking is

6236
04:00:48,760 --> 04:00:50,760
because we have a care facility in this

6237
04:00:50,760 --> 04:00:53,040
in the city that started out like this,

6238
04:00:53,040 --> 04:00:56,800
but now has parking spots assigned to

6239
04:00:56,800 --> 04:00:59,080
units and you cannot find a place to

6240
04:00:59,080 --> 04:01:01,280
park there. And the businesses next door

6241
04:01:01,280 --> 04:01:02,160
will tell you.

6242
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:03,400
>> I can I can see that would make it

6243
04:01:03,400 --> 04:01:04,120
difficult.

6244
04:01:04,120 --> 04:01:06,040
>> Wendy's. If hello, got you a little

6245
04:01:06,040 --> 04:01:08,280
hint. Parking Wendy's. So I don't know.

6246
04:01:08,280 --> 04:01:10,960
Is there a way to um

6247
04:01:10,960 --> 04:01:13,240
cuz in this case if that were to happen,

6248
04:01:13,240 --> 04:01:14,440
there would be parking in the church

6249
04:01:14,440 --> 04:01:16,840
parking lot or parking in the neighbors.

6250
04:01:16,840 --> 04:01:18,360
>> The the way to do that would probably be

6251
04:01:18,360 --> 04:01:21,800
through the development agreement to amend the development agreement or

6252
04:01:21,800 --> 04:01:23,840
the one that's been proposed to specify

6253
04:01:23,840 --> 04:01:25,840
that you can't tie the parking to

6254
04:01:25,840 --> 04:01:27,280
individual units.

6255
04:01:27,280 --> 04:01:29,080
I'm not sure that that's there's nothing

6256
04:01:29,080 --> 04:01:30,800
in my parking code that I'm aware of

6257
04:01:30,800 --> 04:01:32,800
that would that would

6258
04:01:32,800 --> 04:01:33,560
affect that.

6259
04:01:33,560 --> 04:01:34,080
>> Okay.

6260
04:01:34,080 --> 04:01:34,720
>> So.

6261
04:01:34,720 --> 04:01:35,840
>> All right, thank you. Council Member

6262
04:01:35,840 --> 04:01:37,320
Lamson, did you

6263
04:01:37,320 --> 04:01:39,320
>> So, that was that was part of my

6264
04:01:39,320 --> 04:01:41,800
question. The other question is

6265
04:01:41,800 --> 04:01:43,720
or just for clarification, so the people

6266
04:01:43,720 --> 04:01:45,560
that live here

6267
04:01:45,560 --> 04:01:48,960
aren't out and about. They're they're

6268
04:01:48,960 --> 04:01:50,960
receiving care. So, they so they won't

6269
04:01:50,960 --> 04:01:52,560
be driving anywhere, but it would just

6270
04:01:52,560 --> 04:01:54,120
be parking for those who come to visit

6271
04:01:54,120 --> 04:01:54,720
with them.

6272
04:01:54,720 --> 04:01:55,280
>> That's right.

6273
04:01:55,280 --> 04:01:56,880
>> And and employees that would also be

6274
04:01:56,880 --> 04:01:57,760
there.

6275
04:01:57,760 --> 04:01:59,240
Uh would there be separate parking for

6276
04:01:59,240 --> 04:02:01,080
employees?

6277
04:02:01,080 --> 04:02:03,360
>> You can designate an employee parking.

6278
04:02:03,360 --> 04:02:06,360
That could be done as well. Yeah.

6279
04:02:06,360 --> 04:02:08,280
>> All right, thank you. Uh I have a I have

6280
04:02:08,280 --> 04:02:10,000
a couple Oh, go ahead. Um Council Member

6281
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:11,760
Meacham.

6282
04:02:11,760 --> 04:02:14,120
>> Um Jared, just on on the parking uh on

6283
04:02:14,120 --> 04:02:17,040
this map, uh are are those with the

6284
04:02:17,040 --> 04:02:18,720
green designated as additional parking

6285
04:02:18,720 --> 04:02:19,680
spaces? Is that what

6286
04:02:19,680 --> 04:02:21,120
>> Those are the additionals, yeah.

6287
04:02:21,120 --> 04:02:23,600
>> And uh can you just confirm um I know

6288
04:02:23,600 --> 04:02:25,640
that we've had residents approach us

6289
04:02:25,640 --> 04:02:28,120
suggesting that there was a

6290
04:02:28,120 --> 04:02:29,680
development agreement on the site

6291
04:02:29,680 --> 04:02:32,560
beforehand that um prohibited uh zone

6292
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:35,200
changes. I'm just curious as to uh the

6293
04:02:35,200 --> 04:02:42,240
history of this property um and um if uh

6294
04:02:42,240 --> 04:02:44,880
if if moving to C-1 is the only way to

6295
04:02:44,880 --> 04:02:46,240
do what they're proposing to do.

6296
04:02:46,240 --> 04:02:47,640
>> Yeah, that's a good question and when we

6297
04:02:47,640 --> 04:02:49,960
had heard that in emails and and such,

6298
04:02:49,960 --> 04:02:52,360
um I I think that that's probably a

6299
04:02:52,360 --> 04:02:53,880
reference to the conditional use permit

6300
04:02:53,880 --> 04:02:55,120
that it was

6301
04:02:55,120 --> 04:02:58,200
developed under in 1997. Prior to that,

6302
04:02:58,200 --> 04:02:59,880
uh it appears in the in the minutes

6303
04:02:59,880 --> 04:03:01,920
things that it was vacant. So, my

6304
04:03:01,920 --> 04:03:03,880
assumption is that the conditional use

6305
04:03:03,880 --> 04:03:05,200
permit, which is what we've been able to

6306
04:03:05,200 --> 04:03:06,080
find on it. I haven't found a

6307
04:03:06,080 --> 04:03:07,120
development agreement in any of our

6308
04:03:07,120 --> 04:03:09,200
records that I can find. The conditional

6309
04:03:09,200 --> 04:03:10,960
use permit specifies

6310
04:03:10,960 --> 04:03:12,000
that it would be a certain number of

6311
04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:14,160
beds, the 18 or the sorry, so it it

6312
04:03:14,160 --> 04:03:15,720
started out at 16 beds, I believe, in

6313
04:03:15,720 --> 04:03:17,800
each building, yeah. So, 32.

6314
04:03:17,800 --> 04:03:21,760
And specifies a solid masonry fence between some of

6315
04:03:21,760 --> 04:03:23,800
the properties and the and the

6316
04:03:23,800 --> 04:03:25,040
development, but that's all that's in

6317
04:03:25,040 --> 04:03:26,760
the conditional use permit.

6318
04:03:26,760 --> 04:03:28,120
Uh so, there's nothing about changing

6319
04:03:28,120 --> 04:03:29,880
the zoning or anything like that.

6320
04:03:29,880 --> 04:03:32,120
Um the legal non-conforming status is is

6321
04:03:32,120 --> 04:03:33,440
pretty clear. We could expand the

6322
04:03:33,440 --> 04:03:34,560
building to do certain things, but we

6323
04:03:34,560 --> 04:03:37,160
can't expand the unit count under that

6324
04:03:37,160 --> 04:03:38,800
status. That would change.

6325
04:03:38,800 --> 04:03:40,440
>> But but just so that I understand

6326
04:03:40,440 --> 04:03:42,800
correctly, I think you you stated this

6327
04:03:42,800 --> 04:03:44,000
earlier.

6328
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:46,280
Um moving to C-1 with a development

6329
04:03:46,280 --> 04:03:48,240
agreement uh would prohibit any other

6330
04:03:48,240 --> 04:03:51,600
uses at any time other than

6331
04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:52,160
um

6332
04:03:52,160 --> 04:03:53,360
using this as a residential care

6333
04:03:53,360 --> 04:03:53,960
facility.

6334
04:03:53,960 --> 04:03:55,680
>> That's right. And since the development

6335
04:03:55,680 --> 04:03:56,760
since the zoning is tied to the

6336
04:03:56,760 --> 04:03:58,200
development agreement, any change they

6337
04:03:58,200 --> 04:03:59,200
would want to make would have to come

6338
04:03:59,200 --> 04:04:00,320
back through the full city process.

6339
04:04:00,320 --> 04:04:01,640
>> It it So, that was it would be bound to

6340
04:04:01,640 --> 04:04:03,480
the property rather than to the owner.

6341
04:04:03,480 --> 04:04:04,840
>> It gets recorded against the property,

6342
04:04:04,840 --> 04:04:05,200
so.

6343
04:04:05,200 --> 04:04:06,760
>> So, yeah, it's a record.

6344
04:04:06,760 --> 04:04:08,360
Uh I have a question. Just what is the

6345
04:04:08,360 --> 04:04:11,200
maximum height one can build in an R-8

6346
04:04:11,200 --> 04:04:13,480
zone? Is that 35 ft?

6347
04:04:13,480 --> 04:04:16,880
>> it's now So, until like last It feels

6348
04:04:16,880 --> 04:04:18,200
like yesterday, but last week or the

6349
04:04:18,200 --> 04:04:20,200
week before, until just recently it was

6350
04:04:20,200 --> 04:04:23,560
35 ft. Um and then now it's 30 ft if

6351
04:04:23,560 --> 04:04:25,040
you're meeting the minimum setbacks, and

6352
04:04:25,040 --> 04:04:28,120
35 ft if you're as you incrementally

6353
04:04:28,120 --> 04:04:29,440
make that setback larger.

6354
04:04:29,440 --> 04:04:31,080
>> So, if this were to go residential,

6355
04:04:31,080 --> 04:04:32,280
let's say if homes were to be built

6356
04:04:32,280 --> 04:04:34,640
there, then the homes could it could be

6357
04:04:34,640 --> 04:04:35,480
30 ft.

6358
04:04:35,480 --> 04:04:35,960
>> 30 ft, yes.

6359
04:04:35,960 --> 04:04:37,480
>> And then it depending on setbacks, it

6360
04:04:37,480 --> 04:04:41,240
would be 35 it could go up to 35 ft in an R-8 zone.

6361
04:04:41,240 --> 04:04:42,600
>> they set back further, yes.

6362
04:04:42,600 --> 04:04:44,280
>> All right, thank you.

6363
04:04:44,280 --> 04:04:46,200
All right, any other questions? Um uh

6364
04:04:46,200 --> 04:04:47,120
Council member Gale.

6365
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:49,800
>> Yeah, how how high is this building?

6366
04:04:49,800 --> 04:04:50,960
>> That's a great question. I can't

6367
04:04:50,960 --> 04:04:52,360
remember. I'm going to go to it.

6368
04:04:52,360 --> 04:04:53,120
>> I think it's

6369
04:04:53,120 --> 04:04:55,200
>> 30 ft high. That's to the peak right?

6370
04:04:55,200 --> 04:04:56,240
>> So, it's the same basically for the

6371
04:04:56,240 --> 04:04:57,800
residential or for whatever this is.

6372
04:04:57,800 --> 04:04:59,040
>> It's like a it's like a kind of a

6373
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:00,120
typical two-story home.

6374
04:05:00,120 --> 04:05:00,720
>> Thank you.

6375
04:05:00,720 --> 04:05:01,520
>> Yeah.

6376
04:05:01,520 --> 04:05:02,600
>> All right, if there are any other

6377
04:05:02,600 --> 04:05:03,520
questions, I'd like to invite the

6378
04:05:03,520 --> 04:05:05,560
applicant to come up

6379
04:05:05,560 --> 04:05:08,000
and introduce you introduce yourselves

6380
04:05:08,000 --> 04:05:09,640
and present any other additional

6381
04:05:09,640 --> 04:05:12,400
information you'd like to before I open

6382
04:05:12,400 --> 04:05:13,920
the public hearing.

6383
04:05:13,920 --> 04:05:17,160
>> Okay. Um Julie Smith. Um

6384
04:05:17,160 --> 04:05:18,960
Good evening, Mayor and Council members.

6385
04:05:18,960 --> 04:05:21,360
Glad to be here tonight. Um as stated by

6386
04:05:21,360 --> 04:05:22,880
the staff, the purpose of this zone

6387
04:05:22,880 --> 04:05:25,160
change is to bring the current Spring

6388
04:05:25,160 --> 04:05:27,800
Hollow Assisted Living into compliance.

6389
04:05:27,800 --> 04:05:29,600
Um, like you said, in the current R18

6390
04:05:29,600 --> 04:05:31,720
zone, you're only allowed eight bed max,

6391
04:05:31,720 --> 04:05:33,960
and we currently have 32.

6392
04:05:33,960 --> 04:05:36,320
So, the purpose of this is to allow us

6393
04:05:36,320 --> 04:05:39,000
to expand, um, have a kitchen, two

6394
04:05:39,000 --> 04:05:40,760
additional dining rooms, plus some

6395
04:05:40,760 --> 04:05:41,960
additional

6396
04:05:41,960 --> 04:05:43,160
bedrooms.

6397
04:05:43,160 --> 04:05:44,280
Um,

6398
04:05:44,280 --> 04:05:46,040
the rezoning of C1 would allow the

6399
04:05:46,040 --> 04:05:48,680
property to be in a conforming use,

6400
04:05:48,680 --> 04:05:51,800
and the C1 zone promotes non-retail

6401
04:05:51,800 --> 04:05:54,160
commercial, and encourages, um,

6402
04:05:54,160 --> 04:05:56,760
development in a manner compatible and

6403
04:05:56,760 --> 04:05:59,120
adjacent with adjacent uses, residential

6404
04:05:59,120 --> 04:06:01,160
uses, which we think out of all the

6405
04:06:01,160 --> 04:06:03,160
commercial uses, that one was the most

6406
04:06:03,160 --> 04:06:08,040
compatible for the, um, assisted living.

6407
04:06:08,040 --> 04:06:10,600
Um, the development agreement will allow

6408
04:06:10,600 --> 04:06:12,960
land use 1282,

6409
04:06:12,960 --> 04:06:15,960
and limit it to seniors, um, 60 years of

6410
04:06:15,960 --> 04:06:17,600
age and older.

6411
04:06:17,600 --> 04:06:19,120
The property will be developed in

6412
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:21,000
conformance with the concept plan, the

6413
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:22,560
drawing and rendering that'll be

6414
04:06:22,560 --> 04:06:24,800
attached to the development agreement.

6415
04:06:24,800 --> 04:06:28,920
Um, we'll require the addition of trees,

6416
04:06:28,920 --> 04:06:31,520
um, to block two-story, um, windows from

6417
04:06:31,520 --> 04:06:34,360
vision to adjacent neighbors' backyards,

6418
04:06:34,360 --> 04:06:35,920
and language regarding the air

6419
04:06:35,920 --> 04:06:38,400
conditioning units. And please note that

6420
04:06:38,400 --> 04:06:41,160
the use of this property cannot change

6421
04:06:41,160 --> 04:06:42,720
without going through the zoning process

6422
04:06:42,720 --> 04:06:43,960
again.

6423
04:06:43,960 --> 04:06:46,080
Um, about the project now, we are

6424
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:48,720
connecting two existing buildings. They,

6425
04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:49,880
like you said, they're built around

6426
04:06:49,880 --> 04:06:51,520
2019.

6427
04:06:51,520 --> 04:06:53,280
On the main floor, we'll have two dining

6428
04:06:53,280 --> 04:06:56,600
rooms and additional kitchen. Currently,

6429
04:06:56,600 --> 04:06:59,440
there's a kitchen in each building, so

6430
04:06:59,440 --> 04:07:01,320
those will go away, combining them into

6431
04:07:01,320 --> 04:07:03,200
one area.

6432
04:07:03,200 --> 04:07:06,160
And then the two dining rooms for the

6433
04:07:06,160 --> 04:07:09,600
memory care unit and the level two.

6434
04:07:09,600 --> 04:07:12,680
And, um, Linnae, um, and we can add the

6435
04:07:12,680 --> 04:07:15,640
level two care if that if that helps

6436
04:07:15,640 --> 04:07:17,360
you. And level two care, those people

6437
04:07:17,360 --> 04:07:19,920
cannot drive. So currently they serve

6438
04:07:19,920 --> 04:07:22,960
level two and memory care. So none of

6439
04:07:22,960 --> 04:07:24,920
those people are able to drive and we

6440
04:07:24,920 --> 04:07:27,040
can add that if if that will help.

6441
04:07:27,040 --> 04:07:29,520
>> So you're saying that that would then

6442
04:07:29,520 --> 04:07:31,760
prohibit the assigned parking from ever

6443
04:07:31,760 --> 04:07:32,000
happening?

6444
04:07:32,000 --> 04:07:34,160
>> Right. Cuz we can't change it to level

6445
04:07:34,160 --> 04:07:36,000
one where people can have cars.

6446
04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:39,760
>> And who who who defines those levels? Is

6447
04:07:39,760 --> 04:07:41,040
that on a state level, the federal

6448
04:07:41,040 --> 04:07:41,360
level?

6449
04:07:41,360 --> 04:07:43,000
>> That's us. Is that state or federal?

6450
04:07:43,000 --> 04:07:43,560
>> State.

6451
04:07:43,560 --> 04:07:46,360
>> Okay.

6452
04:07:46,360 --> 04:07:48,360
Let's see.

6453
04:07:48,360 --> 04:07:51,080
So the parking requirement is one space

6454
04:07:51,080 --> 04:07:52,600
per two and a half bedrooms. So they're

6455
04:07:52,600 --> 04:07:55,520
required to have 20 and we have 21. I

6456
04:07:55,520 --> 04:07:57,040
think at the most there's usually five

6457
04:07:57,040 --> 04:07:59,800
or six cars there. It's very underused

6458
04:07:59,800 --> 04:08:01,080
parking

6459
04:08:01,080 --> 04:08:03,280
um lot.

6460
04:08:03,280 --> 04:08:06,480
Um let's see. Our setbacks that we have

6461
04:08:06,480 --> 04:08:09,400
um the rear setback and the existing is

6462
04:08:09,400 --> 04:08:11,680
19 ft at the time. So we're just

6463
04:08:11,680 --> 04:08:14,360
extending that and 10 ft on the side of

6464
04:08:14,360 --> 04:08:15,800
the church.

6465
04:08:15,800 --> 04:08:16,840
Um

6466
04:08:16,840 --> 04:08:19,440
we had a neighborhood meeting February

6467
04:08:19,440 --> 04:08:21,840
and we had 310 notices sent out with

6468
04:08:21,840 --> 04:08:23,640
four people attending.

6469
04:08:23,640 --> 04:08:25,800
And Councilman Millett was at that

6470
04:08:25,800 --> 04:08:26,920
meeting.

6471
04:08:26,920 --> 04:08:30,280
Um the concerns were mostly noise of the

6472
04:08:30,280 --> 04:08:31,840
air conditioning units, the height of

6473
04:08:31,840 --> 04:08:34,080
the building, and senior citizens

6474
04:08:34,080 --> 04:08:36,280
looking into the rear yards.

6475
04:08:36,280 --> 04:08:38,600
Um concerns regarding the noise, we are

6476
04:08:38,600 --> 04:08:41,240
placing the condensing unit on the north

6477
04:08:41,240 --> 04:08:43,640
end of the new addition and that would

6478
04:08:43,640 --> 04:08:45,520
be the side adjacent to the parking lot

6479
04:08:45,520 --> 04:08:46,960
of the church.

6480
04:08:46,960 --> 04:08:49,400
And they're using window AC units that

6481
04:08:49,400 --> 04:08:50,840
are rated one of the highest for

6482
04:08:50,840 --> 04:08:52,400
quietness and in the development

6483
04:08:52,400 --> 04:08:55,560
agreement we stated um

6484
04:08:55,560 --> 04:08:57,120
what model

6485
04:08:57,120 --> 04:09:00,440
or equivalent on that. Um so the

6486
04:09:00,440 --> 04:09:01,960
neighbors can be sure that it will be

6487
04:09:01,960 --> 04:09:04,160
quiet. Regarding the height of the

6488
04:09:04,160 --> 04:09:05,880
proposed addition,

6489
04:09:05,880 --> 04:09:08,240
um it'll be 30 ft and in my notes I had

6490
04:09:08,240 --> 04:09:09,880
it was 35 but apparently that just

6491
04:09:09,880 --> 04:09:12,120
changed. So we will be the height of the

6492
04:09:12,120 --> 04:09:14,160
R18 zone.

6493
04:09:14,160 --> 04:09:15,680
Looking into the backyard, this will

6494
04:09:15,680 --> 04:09:19,040
affect two neighbors as you can see

6495
04:09:19,040 --> 04:09:21,840
right there. Um I wasn't able to attend

6496
04:09:21,840 --> 04:09:23,960
the planning commission, so I had Mr.

6497
04:09:23,960 --> 04:09:26,920
Washburn attend and cover for me.

6498
04:09:26,920 --> 04:09:29,480
And he suggested that we install frosted

6499
04:09:29,480 --> 04:09:31,800
glass in the second story

6500
04:09:31,800 --> 04:09:33,920
uh rooms, and the planning commission

6501
04:09:33,920 --> 04:09:35,800
liked that, and I think he suggested

6502
04:09:35,800 --> 04:09:38,240
that to the city council.

6503
04:09:38,240 --> 04:09:40,040
It made me feel bad when I when I heard

6504
04:09:40,040 --> 04:09:41,720
that. Can you imagine your view out your

6505
04:09:41,720 --> 04:09:45,080
bathroom window and that being your

6506
04:09:45,080 --> 04:09:46,720
bedroom window

6507
04:09:46,720 --> 04:09:49,280
or your front window with frosted glass?

6508
04:09:49,280 --> 04:09:51,040
You You can't see anything. You can't

6509
04:09:51,040 --> 04:09:52,760
enjoy the outside.

6510
04:09:52,760 --> 04:09:54,840
And so, I was thinking about it, and I

6511
04:09:54,840 --> 04:09:57,360
met with um

6512
04:09:57,360 --> 04:09:58,880
Jeremy

6513
04:09:58,880 --> 04:10:00,320
um

6514
04:10:00,320 --> 04:10:01,760
What's his last name? With PKJ

6515
04:10:01,760 --> 04:10:03,640
Landscaping. He's a landscape architect,

6516
04:10:03,640 --> 04:10:05,640
and I told him my problem. And he

6517
04:10:05,640 --> 04:10:08,480
suggested that I plant blue Atlas cedar

6518
04:10:08,480 --> 04:10:10,360
trees 20-ft on center. So, it's a real

6519
04:10:10,360 --> 04:10:12,200
wide cedar tree.

6520
04:10:12,200 --> 04:10:14,080
And if we put it against the fence, it

6521
04:10:14,080 --> 04:10:16,920
will block anybody from looking down

6522
04:10:16,920 --> 04:10:18,840
into the neighbor's backyard, and that

6523
04:10:18,840 --> 04:10:21,480
is in the development agreement.

6524
04:10:21,480 --> 04:10:23,080
Um we've had a lot of questions on the

6525
04:10:23,080 --> 04:10:24,560
canal.

6526
04:10:24,560 --> 04:10:26,440
Obviously, we have no control over that,

6527
04:10:26,440 --> 04:10:28,000
and I researched it a little bit, and it

6528
04:10:28,000 --> 04:10:29,600
looked like on March 10th, you had quite

6529
04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:32,640
a few people show up and talk about um

6530
04:10:32,640 --> 04:10:34,760
the North Union Canal

6531
04:10:34,760 --> 04:10:36,840
and um when it was going to happen. I

6532
04:10:36,840 --> 04:10:39,640
understand it's mostly funding now, but

6533
04:10:39,640 --> 04:10:41,480
I think it will be a trail at some

6534
04:10:41,480 --> 04:10:44,600
point. Um and that's all I had, and Mr.

6535
04:10:44,600 --> 04:10:46,240
Jones is the owner of the project, and I

6536
04:10:46,240 --> 04:10:48,040
think he had a few comments.

6537
04:10:48,040 --> 04:10:51,030
>> Um

6538
04:10:51,040 --> 04:10:53,080
I think I think you covered Is that

6539
04:10:53,080 --> 04:10:54,080
working?

6540
04:10:54,080 --> 04:10:55,880
I think she covered most of the concerns

6541
04:10:55,880 --> 04:10:58,320
that were were brought up at uh our last

6542
04:10:58,320 --> 04:10:59,920
uh planning meeting, and I would just

6543
04:10:59,920 --> 04:11:01,000
say

6544
04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:03,720
there's a lot of demand for senior uh

6545
04:11:03,720 --> 04:11:06,960
housing, uh for memory care as well as

6546
04:11:06,960 --> 04:11:08,280
assisted living,

6547
04:11:08,280 --> 04:11:09,840
and we kind of fill a little niche that

6548
04:11:09,840 --> 04:11:11,840
we're not some big large corporation

6549
04:11:11,840 --> 04:11:14,960
that's got 100 units. So, we're a small

6550
04:11:14,960 --> 04:11:17,360
This is just the one and it's in a a

6551
04:11:17,360 --> 04:11:18,840
tight little community and I think

6552
04:11:18,840 --> 04:11:21,240
people like that. They like the feel of

6553
04:11:21,240 --> 04:11:23,640
this and we're expanding because there

6554
04:11:23,640 --> 04:11:26,400
is market demand for that and it was my

6555
04:11:26,400 --> 04:11:28,160
understanding also that the general

6556
04:11:28,160 --> 04:11:33,000
feeling of the council was that you would like to see more uh housing

6557
04:11:33,000 --> 04:11:37,560
available. We do um uh allow Medicaid uh

6558
04:11:37,560 --> 04:11:39,200
residents to be there, which is

6559
04:11:39,200 --> 04:11:42,000
subsidized by the government and so

6560
04:11:42,000 --> 04:11:43,920
we're we're trying to you know, be

6561
04:11:43,920 --> 04:11:46,240
available for for everyone that has a

6562
04:11:46,240 --> 04:11:47,960
need and

6563
04:11:47,960 --> 04:11:49,320
we just think it's a great opportunity

6564
04:11:49,320 --> 04:11:50,840
to you know,

6565
04:11:50,840 --> 04:11:52,760
be there for our seniors in their last

6566
04:11:52,760 --> 04:11:54,680
years of living.

6567
04:11:54,680 --> 04:11:56,840
>> All right. Thank you. Council, do you

6568
04:11:56,840 --> 04:11:59,880
have any questions for the applicant?

6569
04:11:59,880 --> 04:12:01,280
Right. Thank you. Um Council member

6570
04:12:01,280 --> 04:12:03,240
Meacom.

6571
04:12:03,240 --> 04:12:05,120
>> Um thank you for your presentation. Uh I

6572
04:12:05,120 --> 04:12:07,560
was also at Planning Commission uh when

6573
04:12:07,560 --> 04:12:09,360
this was was brought before the Planning

6574
04:12:09,360 --> 04:12:12,120
Commission and

6575
04:12:12,120 --> 04:12:14,640
um there there were some neighbors'

6576
04:12:14,640 --> 04:12:17,080
concerns that were brought up that uh I

6577
04:12:17,080 --> 04:12:19,520
think have also been shared with me by

6578
04:12:19,520 --> 04:12:21,840
email and otherwise. And so, I just want

6579
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:23,960
to make sure that I understand uh the

6580
04:12:23,960 --> 04:12:25,080
way you're mitigating those. I think

6581
04:12:25,080 --> 04:12:26,280
you've addressed some of those right

6582
04:12:26,280 --> 04:12:27,520
now.

6583
04:12:27,520 --> 04:12:28,920
I had a chance to spend some time at the

6584
04:12:28,920 --> 04:12:30,800
property. Um I may have showed up on

6585
04:12:30,800 --> 04:12:33,200
your security cameras. I'm sorry. But uh

6586
04:12:33,200 --> 04:12:34,400
I I I really wanted to understand the

6587
04:12:34,400 --> 04:12:36,480
feel of the property and and the buffers

6588
04:12:36,480 --> 04:12:38,440
and uh

6589
04:12:38,440 --> 04:12:40,720
I I think the fact that that church

6590
04:12:40,720 --> 04:12:42,640
parking lot to the north

6591
04:12:42,640 --> 04:12:44,920
um provides a significant buffer there

6592
04:12:44,920 --> 04:12:46,480
away from the residential area is

6593
04:12:46,480 --> 04:12:48,120
helpful. I think the canal also provides

6594
04:12:48,120 --> 04:12:49,400
a buffer.

6595
04:12:49,400 --> 04:12:52,880
Um the the concerns that I have heard

6596
04:12:52,880 --> 04:12:54,280
right are

6597
04:12:54,280 --> 04:12:57,280
um noise. So, air conditioning noise.

6598
04:12:57,280 --> 04:12:59,520
You You just mentioned that yeah, your

6599
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:01,320
plan is to put

6600
04:13:01,320 --> 04:13:04,200
quiet um air conditioning facilities but

6601
04:13:04,200 --> 04:13:06,480
on the north side uh so away from the

6602
04:13:06,480 --> 04:13:08,920
residents um

6603
04:13:08,920 --> 04:13:09,960
parking which we've already talked

6604
04:13:09,960 --> 04:13:11,800
about. I I didn't have a question in the

6605
04:13:11,800 --> 04:13:13,240
development agreement specifically that

6606
04:13:13,240 --> 04:13:16,800
I saw regarding privacy and trees. So,

6607
04:13:16,800 --> 04:13:18,440
I I agree with you frosted windows just

6608
04:13:18,440 --> 04:13:21,880
doesn't seem fair to the resident um

6609
04:13:21,880 --> 04:13:24,760
but uh I I want to understand just make

6610
04:13:24,760 --> 04:13:26,160
sure that those trees will be mature

6611
04:13:26,160 --> 04:13:27,520
trees

6612
04:13:27,520 --> 04:13:29,600
that um

6613
04:13:29,600 --> 04:13:32,960
you know, winter um has a has privacy as

6614
04:13:32,960 --> 04:13:34,320
well as summer.

6615
04:13:34,320 --> 04:13:36,320
It sounds like maybe the type of tree

6616
04:13:36,320 --> 04:13:38,080
that you're proposing uh would fit that

6617
04:13:38,080 --> 04:13:39,640
bill but that that didn't see that in

6618
04:13:39,640 --> 04:13:41,400
the development agreement.

6619
04:13:41,400 --> 04:13:42,480
Um

6620
04:13:42,480 --> 04:13:44,760
and I I've heard some some concerns

6621
04:13:44,760 --> 04:13:46,840
about just uh how this might impact

6622
04:13:46,840 --> 04:13:48,360
quality of care

6623
04:13:48,360 --> 04:13:50,600
for residents expanding and if if you

6624
04:13:50,600 --> 04:13:52,000
know, you felt like you had sufficient

6625
04:13:52,000 --> 04:13:54,480
staff to make sure this was a a great

6626
04:13:54,480 --> 04:13:56,480
experience uh for individuals. So, those

6627
04:13:56,480 --> 04:13:58,960
were concerns that I I shared with with

6628
04:13:58,960 --> 04:14:01,040
our neighboring residents.

6629
04:14:01,040 --> 04:14:04,040
Um I do agree that uh there's a lot of

6630
04:14:04,040 --> 04:14:05,680
demand for this um

6631
04:14:05,680 --> 04:14:07,840
you know, there there's so much need in

6632
04:14:07,840 --> 04:14:10,560
our community. I just want to ensure

6633
04:14:10,560 --> 04:14:12,960
that all of those neighbors' concerns

6634
04:14:12,960 --> 04:14:16,240
are are well thought through and that uh

6635
04:14:16,240 --> 04:14:17,680
I I applaud you for the efforts you've

6636
04:14:17,680 --> 04:14:18,920
made in that direction but just any

6637
04:14:18,920 --> 04:14:20,160
other clarification you can provide

6638
04:14:20,160 --> 04:14:21,200
would be great.

6639
04:14:21,200 --> 04:14:21,760
>> Thank you.

6640
04:14:21,760 --> 04:14:23,400
>> We did um

6641
04:14:23,400 --> 04:14:25,280
consider what type of trees and I you

6642
04:14:25,280 --> 04:14:26,920
know, we thought well, in the winter all

6643
04:14:26,920 --> 04:14:29,160
the leaves are gone and it's they don't

6644
04:14:29,160 --> 04:14:31,200
do any good. So, we we're planning on

6645
04:14:31,200 --> 04:14:32,520
evergreen trees that are there all the

6646
04:14:32,520 --> 04:14:33,600
time.

6647
04:14:33,600 --> 04:14:35,840
We also wanted to um make sure that

6648
04:14:35,840 --> 04:14:38,000
we're not planning saplings that take 20

6649
04:14:38,000 --> 04:14:41,360
years to to grow to to provide and so

6650
04:14:41,360 --> 04:14:43,760
we'll we will definitely put in mature

6651
04:14:43,760 --> 04:14:46,200
trees to to allow that.

6652
04:14:46,200 --> 04:14:49,190
Um

6653
04:14:49,200 --> 04:14:52,670
What else?

6654
04:14:52,680 --> 04:14:54,000
The care.

6655
04:14:54,000 --> 04:14:56,280
Yeah, the one of the reasons we're doing

6656
04:14:56,280 --> 04:14:57,800
this is because right now we have two

6657
04:14:57,800 --> 04:14:59,400
kitchens.

6658
04:14:59,400 --> 04:15:02,000
And and it's it's just it's not viable

6659
04:15:02,000 --> 04:15:03,520
to run two kitchens. So, we're we're

6660
04:15:03,520 --> 04:15:08,040
trying to put it into one kitchen and serve the residents there. So, it's

6661
04:15:08,040 --> 04:15:13,680
a it's a more meaningful experience and cuts down on just the ridiculousness of what we're trying

6662
04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:15,800
to do with, you know, two separate

6663
04:15:15,800 --> 04:15:17,320
kitchens. And so,

6664
04:15:17,320 --> 04:15:19,920
um you know, we we do run this through

6665
04:15:19,920 --> 04:15:22,080
it's operated by Rocky Mountain and they

6666
04:15:22,080 --> 04:15:24,400
have a lot of care centers and skilled

6667
04:15:24,400 --> 04:15:26,360
nursing centers. So, they are always

6668
04:15:26,360 --> 04:15:31,120
have professional staff there and and we don't get write-ups from the state

6669
04:15:31,120 --> 04:15:34,280
for having problems. And we we try to

6670
04:15:34,280 --> 04:15:35,840
give the best care

6671
04:15:35,840 --> 04:15:39,870
um to our residents as possible.

6672
04:15:39,880 --> 04:15:41,280
» All right, thank you. Okay, go ahead,

6673
04:15:41,280 --> 04:15:42,120
Council member Millet.

6674
04:15:42,120 --> 04:15:43,640
>> Sorry, are you a nonprofit or

6675
04:15:43,640 --> 04:15:44,240
>> No.

6676
04:15:44,240 --> 04:15:44,560
>> Okay.

6677
04:15:44,560 --> 04:15:51,110
>> It feels like it.

6678
04:15:51,120 --> 04:15:54,120
» All right, any other questions, Council?

6679
04:15:54,120 --> 04:15:55,360
All right.

6680
04:15:55,360 --> 04:15:58,000
This item is an a proposed change to the

6681
04:15:58,000 --> 04:16:00,840
zoning ordinance. So, um it is a public

6682
04:16:00,840 --> 04:16:02,760
hearing. I'm going to go ahead and open

6683
04:16:02,760 --> 04:16:05,000
the public hearing. And those of you who

6684
04:16:05,000 --> 04:16:07,400
have come this evening to to speak to

6685
04:16:07,400 --> 04:16:10,120
this are welcome to do that. And I again

6686
04:16:10,120 --> 04:16:13,160
invite you to keep your comments to less

6687
04:16:13,160 --> 04:16:14,880
than 3 minutes

6688
04:16:14,880 --> 04:16:18,480
as we go forward in in hearing what you

6689
04:16:18,480 --> 04:16:20,600
think. So, I'll go ahead and open up the

6690
04:16:20,600 --> 04:16:22,040
public hearing.

6691
04:16:22,040 --> 04:16:23,760
Just as you're thinking about coming up,

6692
04:16:23,760 --> 04:16:25,480
I will tell you that we did receive some

6693
04:16:25,480 --> 04:16:28,960
emails. Uh our city recorder Teresa did

6694
04:16:28,960 --> 04:16:31,840
distribute some emails to us. And we've

6695
04:16:31,840 --> 04:16:35,280
had the opportunity to review those. So,

6696
04:16:35,280 --> 04:16:37,040
I just want to let if there if

6697
04:16:37,040 --> 04:16:38,880
somebody's live streaming if as part of

6698
04:16:38,880 --> 04:16:40,280
live stream that we did get those as

6699
04:16:40,280 --> 04:16:42,720
well. So, all right, I'll go ahead and

6700
04:16:42,720 --> 04:16:47,270
open the public hearing.

6701
04:16:47,280 --> 04:16:49,160
Welcome fellow colleague or former

6702
04:16:49,160 --> 04:16:51,040
colleague of mine.

6703
04:16:51,040 --> 04:16:53,200
>> Well, thank you.

6704
04:16:53,200 --> 04:16:55,600
Uh my name's Dean Dickerson.

6705
04:16:55,600 --> 04:16:57,720
Uh I live in this neighborhood.

6706
04:16:57,720 --> 04:16:58,520
Uh

6707
04:16:58,520 --> 04:17:00,440
from what I can tell, this is a good

6708
04:17:00,440 --> 04:17:02,720
project. I'm not necessarily opposed to

6709
04:17:02,720 --> 04:17:03,720
this.

6710
04:17:03,720 --> 04:17:06,760
Uh but the members

6711
04:17:06,760 --> 04:17:10,000
me included of this neighborhood are

6712
04:17:10,000 --> 04:17:13,560
concerned about the C-1 zone.

6713
04:17:13,560 --> 04:17:14,240
Uh

6714
04:17:14,240 --> 04:17:16,760
I can tell you from

6715
04:17:16,760 --> 04:17:18,680
some heated experiences, Mrs.

6716
04:17:18,680 --> 04:17:21,520
McCandless, I'm sure will remember that

6717
04:17:21,520 --> 04:17:23,320
the spot zoning of commercial in the

6718
04:17:23,320 --> 04:17:26,240
middle of residential is negative.

6719
04:17:26,240 --> 04:17:29,520
Uh but I do have a couple of questions

6720
04:17:29,520 --> 04:17:31,600
that uh

6721
04:17:31,600 --> 04:17:34,040
we would like not to have the parking

6722
04:17:34,040 --> 04:17:36,600
overflow of the church.

6723
04:17:36,600 --> 04:17:39,560
used as overflow or

6724
04:17:39,560 --> 04:17:42,760
whatever. That is R-8. Uh that is an

6725
04:17:42,760 --> 04:17:44,200
older building.

6726
04:17:44,200 --> 04:17:44,840
Uh

6727
04:17:44,840 --> 04:17:47,400
there are, I'm sure,

6728
04:17:47,400 --> 04:17:49,960
potential of of liquidating that

6729
04:17:49,960 --> 04:17:52,360
property since it's older and that will

6730
04:17:52,360 --> 04:17:54,240
be R-8.

6731
04:17:54,240 --> 04:17:56,520
The second thing is and I've been

6732
04:17:56,520 --> 04:17:59,000
racking my memory, I don't remember a

6733
04:17:59,000 --> 04:18:00,880
mechanism where a

6734
04:18:00,880 --> 04:18:03,960
uh property agreement

6735
04:18:03,960 --> 04:18:07,920
attached to a piece of property,

6736
04:18:07,920 --> 04:18:10,400
how does the city handle that?

6737
04:18:10,400 --> 04:18:12,080
Um

6738
04:18:12,080 --> 04:18:14,280
has that ever happened before?

6739
04:18:14,280 --> 04:18:14,840
Uh

6740
04:18:14,840 --> 04:18:17,080
if somebody else acquires this property,

6741
04:18:17,080 --> 04:18:18,960
they're going to acquire it because it's

6742
04:18:18,960 --> 04:18:20,440
C-1,

6743
04:18:20,440 --> 04:18:22,960
not because it's anything else other

6744
04:18:22,960 --> 04:18:25,800
than that. I if there is, it's just not

6745
04:18:25,800 --> 04:18:27,320
in my memory. I just don't remember

6746
04:18:27,320 --> 04:18:30,120
that. But how does the How does the city

6747
04:18:30,120 --> 04:18:32,160
search a property? Do they do a title

6748
04:18:32,160 --> 04:18:36,120
search? Do How do How do they do that?

6749
04:18:36,120 --> 04:18:38,440
Um The other things I think that the

6750
04:18:38,440 --> 04:18:40,320
neighbors are concerned about, I think

6751
04:18:40,320 --> 04:18:41,920
this has been a good project. We have no

6752
04:18:41,920 --> 04:18:44,000
problems with this being a neighbor,

6753
04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:47,720
but the spot zoning of C-1 is a concern.

6754
04:18:47,720 --> 04:18:51,040
Um I would almost prefer a PD zone or

6755
04:18:51,040 --> 04:18:53,200
something like that. But anyway, if the

6756
04:18:53,200 --> 04:18:55,320
city or the city staff or the elected

6757
04:18:55,320 --> 04:18:57,040
officials could address, how do you

6758
04:18:57,040 --> 04:18:59,120
search a property

6759
04:18:59,120 --> 04:19:00,600
title?

6760
04:19:00,600 --> 04:19:02,960
How is that done by the city?

6761
04:19:02,960 --> 04:19:03,880
Thank you.

6762
04:19:03,880 --> 04:19:06,360
>> All right, thank you, Mr. Dickerson.

6763
04:19:06,360 --> 04:19:09,680
Mr. Hall, would you mind answering Mr.

6764
04:19:09,680 --> 04:19:12,920
Dickerson's question about about Sounds

6765
04:19:12,920 --> 04:19:15,000
like from what I understand, Mr.

6766
04:19:15,000 --> 04:19:16,520
Dickerson, you're one It's about the

6767
04:19:16,520 --> 04:19:18,280
development agreement and if the if in

6768
04:19:18,280 --> 04:19:22,160
the future if if the develop if the use

6769
04:19:22,160 --> 04:19:24,040
is going to possibly change to some

6770
04:19:24,040 --> 04:19:26,320
other use, what would that be? Is that

6771
04:19:26,320 --> 04:19:27,320
what

6772
04:19:27,320 --> 04:19:28,080
Yes.

6773
04:19:28,080 --> 04:19:31,040
>> What What my question is, I guess to put

6774
04:19:31,040 --> 04:19:33,600
it more succinctly, is this is going to

6775
04:19:33,600 --> 04:19:35,880
be C1.

6776
04:19:35,880 --> 04:19:37,280
As

6777
04:19:37,280 --> 04:19:39,080
former mayor used to say, you give

6778
04:19:39,080 --> 04:19:42,760
somebody the sticks, they have it.

6779
04:19:42,760 --> 04:19:44,880
That's a right of that

6780
04:19:44,880 --> 04:19:48,000
property. And if as the city just

6781
04:19:48,000 --> 04:19:52,160
changed C1 to allow a commissary kitchen

6782
04:19:52,160 --> 04:19:54,000
were to move in there,

6783
04:19:54,000 --> 04:19:57,400
how how is that in the middle of the

6784
04:19:57,400 --> 04:19:59,440
of a residential area?

6785
04:19:59,440 --> 04:20:01,200
You know, what if that church parking

6786
04:20:01,200 --> 04:20:04,040
lot becomes homes? What it What happens

6787
04:20:04,040 --> 04:20:04,840
then?

6788
04:20:04,840 --> 04:20:06,840
>> Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

6789
04:20:06,840 --> 04:20:07,960
Go ahead, Mr. Hall.

6790
04:20:07,960 --> 04:20:10,200
>> It's a It's a great question. So,

6791
04:20:10,200 --> 04:20:12,600
to to the three parts of it, we have we

6792
04:20:12,600 --> 04:20:14,760
have done it before. The city has done a

6793
04:20:14,760 --> 04:20:16,520
few rezones that are tied to development

6794
04:20:16,520 --> 04:20:17,800
agreements.

6795
04:20:17,800 --> 04:20:20,320
Our code allows for that, so we can we

6796
04:20:20,320 --> 04:20:21,960
can limit zoning through development

6797
04:20:21,960 --> 04:20:23,560
agreements as well. It's kind of what PD

6798
04:20:23,560 --> 04:20:25,920
zones do in a way.

6799
04:20:25,920 --> 04:20:28,480
But so that's how it gets tied to it.

6800
04:20:28,480 --> 04:20:30,480
So, we do have a history of doing it.

6801
04:20:30,480 --> 04:20:32,960
You would find it if you were a private

6802
04:20:32,960 --> 04:20:34,840
person buying it Let's say a

6803
04:20:34,840 --> 04:20:38,400
different company wants to buy it as as you mentioned,

6804
04:20:38,400 --> 04:20:39,640
that would come up in the title search

6805
04:20:39,640 --> 04:20:41,120
because we will record the development

6806
04:20:41,120 --> 04:20:42,960
agreements for these kinds of properties

6807
04:20:42,960 --> 04:20:44,400
against the property. So, it'll come up

6808
04:20:44,400 --> 04:20:45,880
in a title search if someone was trying

6809
04:20:45,880 --> 04:20:47,520
to buy it. Uh that'll come up in their

6810
04:20:47,520 --> 04:20:49,760
due diligence. For the staff for city

6811
04:20:49,760 --> 04:20:53,120
staff to be aware of it. Uh for people like

6812
04:20:53,120 --> 04:20:55,520
me, it's recorded and put in our uh dev

6813
04:20:55,520 --> 04:20:56,960
track system. It's the system we use to

6814
04:20:56,960 --> 04:20:58,640
track these properties. So, if anything

6815
04:20:58,640 --> 04:21:00,000
comes up on this property in the future,

6816
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:02,360
say 20 years from now and and I'm gone,

6817
04:21:02,360 --> 04:21:04,760
I I plan to be gone. I plan to retire

6818
04:21:04,760 --> 04:21:06,320
one one day.

6819
04:21:06,320 --> 04:21:09,000
Hopefully. And if I'm retired by then,

6820
04:21:09,000 --> 04:21:10,360
uh someone else can come along and they

6821
04:21:10,360 --> 04:21:11,600
would click this property, see what's

6822
04:21:11,600 --> 04:21:13,520
going on when the request comes in, what

6823
04:21:13,520 --> 04:21:14,720
can we do with this piece of property,

6824
04:21:14,720 --> 04:21:15,960
and that's one of the items that comes

6825
04:21:15,960 --> 04:21:17,240
up is that development agreement that

6826
04:21:17,240 --> 04:21:19,680
limits it. So, that's that's how we tie

6827
04:21:19,680 --> 04:21:20,880
That's how it comes up and doesn't get

6828
04:21:20,880 --> 04:21:22,880
lost in the shuffle. So,

6829
04:21:22,880 --> 04:21:25,920
>> So, what would what would happen if uh

6830
04:21:25,920 --> 04:21:28,120
someone did purchase the property and

6831
04:21:28,120 --> 04:21:29,480
want

6832
04:21:29,480 --> 04:21:30,800
to I think I know I know the answer to

6833
04:21:30,800 --> 04:21:32,320
this, but I just want to I'm going to

6834
04:21:32,320 --> 04:21:33,120
ask anyway.

6835
04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:33,640
>> Sure.

6836
04:21:33,640 --> 04:21:36,440
>> Uh change the use to another they want

6837
04:21:36,440 --> 04:21:38,640
to put some other type of C-1 use. That

6838
04:21:38,640 --> 04:21:40,120
would require

6839
04:21:40,120 --> 04:21:41,840
this, right? To go through and change

6840
04:21:41,840 --> 04:21:42,920
the development agreement?

6841
04:21:42,920 --> 04:21:45,280
>> Yeah, and that would require the process

6842
04:21:45,280 --> 04:21:46,520
with city council again. They would have

6843
04:21:46,520 --> 04:21:48,160
to renegotiate that contract and say,

6844
04:21:48,160 --> 04:21:49,480
"We don't want to just be limited by

6845
04:21:49,480 --> 04:21:52,000
this." And the C-1 zoning

6846
04:21:52,000 --> 04:21:53,240
is tied to that development agreement.

6847
04:21:53,240 --> 04:21:56,360
So, my assumption is we would go back to formula, as they say, back to

6848
04:21:56,360 --> 04:21:57,960
the planning commission to renegotiate

6849
04:21:57,960 --> 04:21:59,200
the whole thing.

6850
04:21:59,200 --> 04:22:00,680
Um so,

6851
04:22:00,680 --> 04:22:02,440
and really

6852
04:22:02,440 --> 04:22:05,200
I I'm going to if if I can be if I can

6853
04:22:05,200 --> 04:22:06,960
expound a little bit, I don't think that

6854
04:22:06,960 --> 04:22:08,760
would ever be likely because the only

6855
04:22:08,760 --> 04:22:12,480
reason this is possible

6856
04:22:12,480 --> 04:22:14,840
really and not spot zoning

6857
04:22:14,840 --> 04:22:17,400
per se is because it exists already. Uh

6858
04:22:17,400 --> 04:22:18,680
if this were just a blank piece of

6859
04:22:18,680 --> 04:22:20,360
property and someone was asking for C-1

6860
04:22:20,360 --> 04:22:23,280
zoning on it, I don't I don't see that

6861
04:22:23,280 --> 04:22:25,480
happening. That's not that's not really

6862
04:22:25,480 --> 04:22:27,720
realistic. Uh because the facility is

6863
04:22:27,720 --> 04:22:28,760
already there and what they want to do

6864
04:22:28,760 --> 04:22:30,920
is expand it. This is a way they can do

6865
04:22:30,920 --> 04:22:32,360
that if the council feels like it's an

6866
04:22:32,360 --> 04:22:34,960
appropriate expansion of the use. Or

6867
04:22:34,960 --> 04:22:36,440
it's already existing, it can stay

6868
04:22:36,440 --> 04:22:37,960
exactly the way it is under that legal

6869
04:22:37,960 --> 04:22:40,520
non-conforming status forever in spite

6870
04:22:40,520 --> 04:22:42,000
of the zoning underneath.

6871
04:22:42,000 --> 04:22:43,520
Um but if if they want to be able to

6872
04:22:43,520 --> 04:22:45,360
expand, C1 is the way to do it and

6873
04:22:45,360 --> 04:22:46,480
limiting it by the development agreement

6874
04:22:46,480 --> 04:22:48,240
is really the only way to feel confident

6875
04:22:48,240 --> 04:22:49,520
that you don't have to deal with

6876
04:22:49,520 --> 04:22:51,880
catering kitchens or commissary kitchens

6877
04:22:51,880 --> 04:22:53,560
or other kinds of uses that would be

6878
04:22:53,560 --> 04:22:55,000
allowed in the C1 zone.

6879
04:22:55,000 --> 04:22:57,600
>> Okay, thank you. Is there anyone else

6880
04:22:57,600 --> 04:22:58,880
here this evening who would like to

6881
04:22:58,880 --> 04:23:01,160
speak to this?

6882
04:23:01,160 --> 04:23:09,310
All right, come on up.

6883
04:23:09,320 --> 04:23:10,640
If you could state your name when you

6884
04:23:10,640 --> 04:23:12,360
come up, that'd be great for our

6885
04:23:12,360 --> 04:23:14,000
records.

6886
04:23:14,000 --> 04:23:19,430
Welcome.

6887
04:23:19,440 --> 04:23:21,480
» Uh my name Excuse me, my name is John

6888
04:23:21,480 --> 04:23:24,040
Henninger. I'm a resident on Eastwood

6889
04:23:24,040 --> 04:23:26,200
Drive. My home is directly

6890
04:23:26,200 --> 04:23:28,520
west of where this proposed addition is

6891
04:23:28,520 --> 04:23:30,200
going to be built.

6892
04:23:30,200 --> 04:23:31,240
Um

6893
04:23:31,240 --> 04:23:34,200
one concern I have about the C1

6894
04:23:34,200 --> 04:23:35,840
classification

6895
04:23:35,840 --> 04:23:38,000
is I understand that they could build a

6896
04:23:38,000 --> 04:23:41,520
structure as tall as 48 ft.

6897
04:23:41,520 --> 04:23:43,880
Um although they say that it's only

6898
04:23:43,880 --> 04:23:45,720
going to be 30 ft.

6899
04:23:45,720 --> 04:23:47,640
But what would be prevent somebody from

6900
04:23:47,640 --> 04:23:50,560
building an actual 48-ft

6901
04:23:50,560 --> 04:23:52,160
structure, which would be, I believe,

6902
04:23:52,160 --> 04:23:54,880
four stories, which

6903
04:23:54,880 --> 04:23:57,720
sounds totally inappropriate for

6904
04:23:57,720 --> 04:23:59,880
uh uh being surrounded by residential

6905
04:23:59,880 --> 04:24:03,960
homes, which are all less than 20 ft.

6906
04:24:03,960 --> 04:24:06,670
Um

6907
04:24:06,680 --> 04:24:09,400
they did talk about the noise.

6908
04:24:09,400 --> 04:24:12,520
I wonder if it is classified commercial,

6909
04:24:12,520 --> 04:24:14,840
if that would allow them to use

6910
04:24:14,840 --> 04:24:16,520
uh commercial equipment, which is

6911
04:24:16,520 --> 04:24:18,840
generally noisier than

6912
04:24:18,840 --> 04:24:20,960
uh residential as far as air

6913
04:24:20,960 --> 04:24:22,600
conditioning and

6914
04:24:22,600 --> 04:24:25,840
exhaust fans for the kitchen.

6915
04:24:25,840 --> 04:24:28,440
Uh finally, I wanted to

6916
04:24:28,440 --> 04:24:31,120
this wasn't addressed to me at the

6917
04:24:31,120 --> 04:24:33,200
planning commission. I brought up that

6918
04:24:33,200 --> 04:24:35,000
the uh

6919
04:24:35,000 --> 04:24:38,440
the neighborhood plan it mentions that

6920
04:24:38,440 --> 04:24:39,560
um

6921
04:24:39,560 --> 04:24:42,320
one of the goals of the plan is to

6922
04:24:42,320 --> 04:24:44,560
locate high-density housing on major

6923
04:24:44,560 --> 04:24:48,480
roads such as State Street and Park uh

6924
04:24:48,480 --> 04:24:51,080
University Parkway.

6925
04:24:51,080 --> 04:24:55,080
Also, it states that the city has a goal

6926
04:24:55,080 --> 04:24:57,080
to prohibit zone changes within

6927
04:24:57,080 --> 04:24:58,600
neighborhoods

6928
04:24:58,600 --> 04:25:00,040
to maintain the

6929
04:25:00,040 --> 04:25:03,640
single-family residential character.

6930
04:25:03,640 --> 04:25:05,720
And that's all the comments I have.

6931
04:25:05,720 --> 04:25:06,240
Thank you.

6932
04:25:06,240 --> 04:25:08,840
>> All right. Thank you. Uh Mr. Hall, would

6933
04:25:08,840 --> 04:25:13,160
you mind addressing the height and the I don't know if it's you or the

6934
04:25:13,160 --> 04:25:14,520
applicant with the commercial equipment

6935
04:25:14,520 --> 04:25:16,440
and then the the neighborhood and the

6936
04:25:16,440 --> 04:25:18,160
maybe the type of street that 800 East

6937
04:25:18,160 --> 04:25:18,600
is.

6938
04:25:18,600 --> 04:25:20,720
>> I can I can I can do my best to do that.

6939
04:25:20,720 --> 04:25:22,280
I'll try I'll do my best to do it in

6940
04:25:22,280 --> 04:25:24,600
under 3 minutes. How's that?

6941
04:25:24,600 --> 04:25:26,000
Um

6942
04:25:26,000 --> 04:25:27,680
No, I I want the timer started, please.

6943
04:25:27,680 --> 04:25:29,200
If you I'm just

6944
04:25:29,200 --> 04:25:32,200
Um the the it's a good question about the

6945
04:25:32,200 --> 04:25:35,120
height. So, the let me go back to the

6946
04:25:35,120 --> 04:25:37,000
Oh, I'm going forward. Sorry. Spoiler

6947
04:25:37,000 --> 04:25:39,320
alerts. So, the it's a good question

6948
04:25:39,320 --> 04:25:40,600
about height. So, C-1 would allow

6949
04:25:40,600 --> 04:25:42,560
greater heights than R-8 zoning, as you

6950
04:25:42,560 --> 04:25:43,680
mentioned earlier asking about the R-8

6951
04:25:43,680 --> 04:25:45,920
zone. However, this is the concept plan

6952
04:25:45,920 --> 04:25:48,000
and elevations that will be part of the

6953
04:25:48,000 --> 04:25:49,720
development agreement that limits it.

6954
04:25:49,720 --> 04:25:51,000
So, if they come in let's say they come

6955
04:25:51,000 --> 04:25:52,360
in in the future and say we want a third

6956
04:25:52,360 --> 04:25:53,760
story. Well, I'm sorry that development

6957
04:25:53,760 --> 04:25:55,240
agreement that development agreement is

6958
04:25:55,240 --> 04:25:56,800
tied to these elevations. This is what

6959
04:25:56,800 --> 04:25:58,400
you get under that development

6960
04:25:58,400 --> 04:26:00,160
agreement. The

6961
04:26:00,160 --> 04:26:01,440
it's still a good question to ask though

6962
04:26:01,440 --> 04:26:04,480
because and and two points um are that

6963
04:26:04,480 --> 04:26:06,200
it is it is a development agreement. So,

6964
04:26:06,200 --> 04:26:08,160
it could be renegotiated. But, zoning

6965
04:26:08,160 --> 04:26:09,280
and land use and things like that are

6966
04:26:09,280 --> 04:26:11,320
always they're always on the table for

6967
04:26:11,320 --> 04:26:13,280
renegotiation, so there's no real safety

6968
04:26:13,280 --> 04:26:15,160
net from that. You just have to trust

6969
04:26:15,160 --> 04:26:18,240
that um it's tied to this for a reason.

6970
04:26:18,240 --> 04:26:19,400
Uh and that would that would be the

6971
04:26:19,400 --> 04:26:20,680
reason. The great point about the

6972
04:26:20,680 --> 04:26:22,920
neighborhood plan. So, your your your

6973
04:26:22,920 --> 04:26:25,880
challenge is to ask yourselves if this

6974
04:26:25,880 --> 04:26:28,160
plan and time the development agreement

6975
04:26:28,160 --> 04:26:30,640
limits the C1 enough to say that this

6976
04:26:30,640 --> 04:26:34,360
facility is still in keeping with residential

6977
04:26:34,360 --> 04:26:35,880
character of the neighborhood. It's it's

6978
04:26:35,880 --> 04:26:37,160
people living there. It's a kind of

6979
04:26:37,160 --> 04:26:38,920
residence, but it is different in the

6980
04:26:38,920 --> 04:26:41,800
massing and the scale, etc. So, is it is

6981
04:26:41,800 --> 04:26:42,720
that out of character with the

6982
04:26:42,720 --> 04:26:44,760
residential nature of the neighborhood

6983
04:26:44,760 --> 04:26:46,040
and is it too far out of character

6984
04:26:46,040 --> 04:26:47,440
because right now it's already there

6985
04:26:47,440 --> 04:26:48,880
existing as a legal non-conforming.

6986
04:26:48,880 --> 04:26:50,880
Which is a great point.

6987
04:26:50,880 --> 04:26:53,360
>> Can I make a comment to that, Mayor?

6988
04:26:53,360 --> 04:26:54,600
Um

6989
04:26:54,600 --> 04:26:55,040
Jared

6990
04:26:55,040 --> 04:26:56,640
>> I'm sorry, my 3 minutes are up. So.

6991
04:26:56,640 --> 04:26:58,840
>> So, it appears that that elevation that

6992
04:26:58,840 --> 04:27:00,080
you just showed showing the height of

6993
04:27:00,080 --> 04:27:02,200
the building is not currently shown as

6994
04:27:02,200 --> 04:27:04,760
an exhibit in the development agreement.

6995
04:27:04,760 --> 04:27:06,400
So, if we wanted to include that

6996
04:27:06,400 --> 04:27:08,000
limitation on the height, we we would

6997
04:27:08,000 --> 04:27:10,200
need to add that as an exhibit to the

6998
04:27:10,200 --> 04:27:11,360
development agreement.

6999
04:27:11,360 --> 04:27:12,600
>> Yeah, it was supposed to be. I'm sorry

7000
04:27:12,600 --> 04:27:14,080
about that. That should be included.

7001
04:27:14,080 --> 04:27:16,040
>> At least it's not in what I have. It's

7002
04:27:16,040 --> 04:27:16,720
not in there.

7003
04:27:16,720 --> 04:27:18,040
>> I have a question about that as well. I

7004
04:27:18,040 --> 04:27:21,000
think this says it's 30 ft. Julie said

7005
04:27:21,000 --> 04:27:22,480
she thought it was 35 ft. From these

7006
04:27:22,480 --> 04:27:24,640
elevations it looks like maybe as goes

7007
04:27:24,640 --> 04:27:25,760
towards the pitch of the roof it might

7008
04:27:25,760 --> 04:27:27,160
be taller. I don't know, but maybe let's

7009
04:27:27,160 --> 04:27:28,280
just verify the height.

7010
04:27:28,280 --> 04:27:29,480
>> I I don't know. I might be wrong and

7011
04:27:29,480 --> 04:27:30,640
Julie can raise her hand if I'm wrong. I

7012
04:27:30,640 --> 04:27:32,280
think the 35 she was referring to was

7013
04:27:32,280 --> 04:27:33,280
the height that was allowed in the

7014
04:27:33,280 --> 04:27:35,160
resident in the RA zone, not the height

7015
04:27:35,160 --> 04:27:37,800
of the building. Is that right?

7016
04:27:37,800 --> 04:27:39,000
>> And then the

7017
04:27:39,000 --> 04:27:40,400
gentleman had a question about the

7018
04:27:40,400 --> 04:27:42,240
commercial equipment. I don't know. It

7019
04:27:42,240 --> 04:27:44,440
sounds like I don't I don't know if

7020
04:27:44,440 --> 04:27:45,920
>> That that did come up in the public

7021
04:27:45,920 --> 04:27:47,320
hearing at the planning commission and

7022
04:27:47,320 --> 04:27:49,360
their plan was to use the quietest they

7023
04:27:49,360 --> 04:27:51,560
can get. So, they've attached that for

7024
04:27:51,560 --> 04:27:52,840
the development agreement as well.

7025
04:27:52,840 --> 04:27:54,400
That'll be the use and putting on on the

7026
04:27:54,400 --> 04:27:56,560
north side against the parking lot of

7027
04:27:56,560 --> 04:27:58,160
the church to add additional buffer.

7028
04:27:58,160 --> 04:27:59,560
>> Okay.

7029
04:27:59,560 --> 04:28:01,720
we Councilmember Milstein.

7030
04:28:01,720 --> 04:28:04,440
>> So, what is the noise allowance

7031
04:28:04,440 --> 04:28:07,320
ordinance in a C1 versus an R8?

7032
04:28:07,320 --> 04:28:08,960
>> I don't know that there's a difference,

7033
04:28:08,960 --> 04:28:11,440
really. I'm not prepared to tell you.

7034
04:28:11,440 --> 04:28:12,320
>> There's not one?

7035
04:28:12,320 --> 04:28:13,880
>> No, not that I'm not that I'm aware of.

7036
04:28:13,880 --> 04:28:16,000
You can still And and this is C1 zoning,

7037
04:28:16,000 --> 04:28:18,480
but all of its neighbors are R8 zoning.

7038
04:28:18,480 --> 04:28:19,920
So, it doesn't get different times that

7039
04:28:19,920 --> 04:28:21,600
it's allowed to make more noise or

7040
04:28:21,600 --> 04:28:26,480
anything like that. Those are standard. Um

7041
04:28:26,480 --> 04:28:27,840
but um

7042
04:28:27,840 --> 04:28:28,720
yeah, I I don't know how to answer

7043
04:28:28,720 --> 04:28:31,720
better than that. I'm not I'm not sure.

7044
04:28:31,720 --> 04:28:33,640
>> All right, thank you. Anybody else wants

7045
04:28:33,640 --> 04:28:35,800
to speak to the uh

7046
04:28:35,800 --> 04:28:38,600
public hearing?

7047
04:28:38,600 --> 04:28:39,480
All right, I'll go ahead and close the

7048
04:28:39,480 --> 04:28:41,240
public hearing. Council member Miller,

7049
04:28:41,240 --> 04:28:42,960
you had a question.

7050
04:28:42,960 --> 04:28:45,640
>> a few questions. Um

7051
04:28:45,640 --> 04:28:50,630
so where are you putting your dumpsters?

7052
04:28:50,640 --> 04:28:54,230
Can you show me?

7053
04:28:54,240 --> 04:28:55,600
Oh, they're right It's right

7054
04:28:55,600 --> 04:28:56,360
>> Please.

7055
04:28:56,360 --> 04:28:57,800
>> It's right there.

7056
04:28:57,800 --> 04:29:00,280
>> Yeah, it's right. You can see where it's

7057
04:29:00,280 --> 04:29:02,000
>> It's resting right there.

7058
04:29:02,000 --> 04:29:02,800
>> Do you have a

7059
04:29:02,800 --> 04:29:04,120
>> You can't zoom it right here.

7060
04:29:04,120 --> 04:29:06,480
>> Yeah, thank you. Okay, awesome.

7061
04:29:06,480 --> 04:29:07,800
Um

7062
04:29:07,800 --> 04:29:09,200
so we don't have to worry about that

7063
04:29:09,200 --> 04:29:10,760
being next to the homes. Just want to

7064
04:29:10,760 --> 04:29:13,080
point that out. And then so let me just

7065
04:29:13,080 --> 04:29:15,080
ask you this. So and maybe I'm being

7066
04:29:15,080 --> 04:29:18,480
picky here, but 20 ft on center, 20 ft

7067
04:29:18,480 --> 04:29:20,120
pretty big on center. You're going to

7068
04:29:20,120 --> 04:29:22,680
have a hole there for a while. Would you

7069
04:29:22,680 --> 04:29:24,840
consider I mean, I don't know what blue

7070
04:29:24,840 --> 04:29:25,720
cedars are.

7071
04:29:25,720 --> 04:29:27,760
>> There's a picture of it that's supposed

7072
04:29:27,760 --> 04:29:29,960
to be part of the development agreement

7073
04:29:29,960 --> 04:29:31,360
also.

7074
04:29:31,360 --> 04:29:34,200
So we In in the one that I proposed, we

7075
04:29:34,200 --> 04:29:35,880
had several exhibits that were going to

7076
04:29:35,880 --> 04:29:37,560
be part of the development agreement.

7077
04:29:37,560 --> 04:29:39,280
It's a really wide tree.

7078
04:29:39,280 --> 04:29:39,800
>> Uh-huh.

7079
04:29:39,800 --> 04:29:41,840
>> Um It's so it's wide and tall.

7080
04:29:41,840 --> 04:29:42,800
>> that wide? So in other words

7081
04:29:42,800 --> 04:29:44,680
>> Well, this came from the I didn't bring

7082
04:29:44,680 --> 04:29:46,320
the landscape architect. He I told him

7083
04:29:46,320 --> 04:29:48,520
the problem and he suggested the 20 ft

7084
04:29:48,520 --> 04:29:50,240
on center. I assumed that so if you have

7085
04:29:50,240 --> 04:29:52,240
them too close, your trees are going to

7086
04:29:52,240 --> 04:29:52,520
>> Uh-huh.

7087
04:29:52,520 --> 04:29:55,520
>> hit, but that's what his suggestion was.

7088
04:29:55,520 --> 04:29:58,040
It came directly from the architect.

7089
04:29:58,040 --> 04:30:00,400
>> how many feet per year they grow?

7090
04:30:00,400 --> 04:30:03,160
>> Oh, no, I didn't I didn't ask. You know,

7091
04:30:03,160 --> 04:30:05,120
he just said this would be your best

7092
04:30:05,120 --> 04:30:07,560
tree and to uh

7093
04:30:07,560 --> 04:30:09,320
20 ft on center is what he wanted.

7094
04:30:09,320 --> 04:30:10,920
>> Okay, so maybe the best tree for winter

7095
04:30:10,920 --> 04:30:13,880
screen, summer winter So it is for

7096
04:30:13,880 --> 04:30:15,840
purposes to evergreen

7097
04:30:15,840 --> 04:30:16,880
becomes point.

7098
04:30:16,880 --> 04:30:17,560
>> Yes, ma'am.

7099
04:30:17,560 --> 04:30:20,160
>> Um, I guess my concern would be how long

7100
04:30:20,160 --> 04:30:22,520
is it going to take to grow that to take

7101
04:30:22,520 --> 04:30:25,240
care of a second story tall window?

7102
04:30:25,240 --> 04:30:27,280
You know, I mean, am I going to be long

7103
04:30:27,280 --> 04:30:28,760
>> Right, you know, these people don't see

7104
04:30:28,760 --> 04:30:31,080
that well. I mean, these are old people.

7105
04:30:31,080 --> 04:30:34,600
So, it's not like they can see 40, 50

7106
04:30:34,600 --> 04:30:37,400
feet anyway. So,

7107
04:30:37,400 --> 04:30:39,640
it's a big concern, but I really don't

7108
04:30:39,640 --> 04:30:42,480
get it. I mean, these guys

7109
04:30:42,480 --> 04:30:45,160
I mean, they they're lucky to see, you

7110
04:30:45,160 --> 04:30:46,560
know, 5 feet in front of them. So, I

7111
04:30:46,560 --> 04:30:48,200
don't think it's a real problem.

7112
04:30:48,200 --> 04:30:49,920
>> Okay, and really I'm just in

7113
04:30:49,920 --> 04:30:51,640
consideration of the neighbors, right?

7114
04:30:51,640 --> 04:30:54,360
Just to kind of their concern.

7115
04:30:54,360 --> 04:30:56,760
And then, let's see, what was the other

7116
04:30:56,760 --> 04:30:58,960
thought that I had? Oh, so and I'm I

7117
04:30:58,960 --> 04:31:00,840
guess I'm just going to say I tend to

7118
04:31:00,840 --> 04:31:05,240
agree with you on the frosted glass. I don't know that I as a council member

7119
04:31:05,240 --> 04:31:06,320
I would

7120
04:31:06,320 --> 04:31:07,840
recommend

7121
04:31:07,840 --> 04:31:09,040
that.

7122
04:31:09,040 --> 04:31:10,880
So, that's just my opinion. I don't know

7123
04:31:10,880 --> 04:31:13,000
how my other county feel, but

7124
04:31:13,000 --> 04:31:14,600
yeah.

7125
04:31:14,600 --> 04:31:16,800
>> All right, who Okay.

7126
04:31:16,800 --> 04:31:20,480
Did anyone else have any other comments?

7127
04:31:20,480 --> 04:31:22,080
All right.

7128
04:31:22,080 --> 04:31:25,240
Any questions? So, council, we've heard

7129
04:31:25,240 --> 04:31:26,800
from the applicant, we've heard from our

7130
04:31:26,800 --> 04:31:28,600
staff, we've heard from the public. So,

7131
04:31:28,600 --> 04:31:31,400
now it's it's time to

7132
04:31:31,400 --> 04:31:32,880
What would you like to do?

7133
04:31:32,880 --> 04:31:34,000
>> I have one more question. Sorry.

7134
04:31:34,000 --> 04:31:35,000
>> Can I Go ahead, Jen.

7135
04:31:35,000 --> 04:31:36,400
>> Just to your point about the frosted

7136
04:31:36,400 --> 04:31:37,720
glass, your point about the frosted

7137
04:31:37,720 --> 04:31:39,200
glass, I Well, that's not in the

7138
04:31:39,200 --> 04:31:41,800
development agreement, is that correct?

7139
04:31:41,800 --> 04:31:44,200
>> No, not that I'm aware of, but if Can I

7140
04:31:44,200 --> 04:31:46,520
This is a good point for for me. Can you

7141
04:31:46,520 --> 04:31:47,880
please I think there there's another

7142
04:31:47,880 --> 04:31:48,960
version of the development agreement,

7143
04:31:48,960 --> 04:31:50,440
and I want to make sure that it gets the

7144
04:31:50,440 --> 04:31:52,320
attachments that it needs. The

7145
04:31:52,320 --> 04:31:55,400
elevations, etc. So, can you please in

7146
04:31:55,400 --> 04:31:57,160
any kind of motion that's for approval,

7147
04:31:57,160 --> 04:31:58,920
including the development agreement,

7148
04:31:58,920 --> 04:31:59,800
make sure that it includes the

7149
04:31:59,800 --> 04:32:01,720
discussion tonight and the attachments

7150
04:32:01,720 --> 04:32:02,640
pertaining to that.

7151
04:32:02,640 --> 04:32:04,280
>> So, the level one facility

7152
04:32:04,280 --> 04:32:06,080
>> Level one facility

7153
04:32:06,080 --> 04:32:07,960
>> I think it was level one. Level two?

7154
04:32:07,960 --> 04:32:09,720
>> That deals with the parking concern.

7155
04:32:09,720 --> 04:32:10,760
>> For parking.

7156
04:32:10,760 --> 04:32:12,960
>> And the the landscaping plan changed

7157
04:32:12,960 --> 04:32:15,760
including those cedars. So, those things

7158
04:32:15,760 --> 04:32:16,600
um

7159
04:32:16,600 --> 04:32:19,040
we we've I want to make sure we've got

7160
04:32:19,040 --> 04:32:20,920
those as attachments like they should be

7161
04:32:20,920 --> 04:32:22,480
or they're intended to be. So, if

7162
04:32:22,480 --> 04:32:24,520
>> So, level two landscaping with the

7163
04:32:24,520 --> 04:32:27,560
cedars 20-ft on center and then the

7164
04:32:27,560 --> 04:32:30,760
elevations showing a 30-ft max.

7165
04:32:30,760 --> 04:32:32,120
>> Yeah. Those are those

7166
04:32:32,120 --> 04:32:34,360
>> Are those all the items that we're

7167
04:32:34,360 --> 04:32:37,120
talking about that

7168
04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:38,800
>> That north side the equipment on the

7169
04:32:38,800 --> 04:32:39,280
north side there.

7170
04:32:39,280 --> 04:32:40,040
>> Equipment on the north

7171
04:32:40,040 --> 04:32:41,560
>> That's in the site plan. I know that's

7172
04:32:41,560 --> 04:32:42,920
attached. I'm I'm confident that one.

7173
04:32:42,920 --> 04:32:44,360
The others are what I'm worried about

7174
04:32:44,360 --> 04:32:46,200
just cuz it is

7175
04:32:46,200 --> 04:32:48,440
um a C-1 zone.

7176
04:32:48,440 --> 04:32:50,920
If if I may be frank, a C-1 zone in this

7177
04:32:50,920 --> 04:32:53,520
area with no development agreement

7178
04:32:53,520 --> 04:32:55,040
attached would be in my view wholly

7179
04:32:55,040 --> 04:32:56,600
inappropriate. The development agreement

7180
04:32:56,600 --> 04:32:57,720
needs to control it if it's going to be

7181
04:32:57,720 --> 04:32:59,880
appropriate. So, if you are

7182
04:32:59,880 --> 04:33:02,240
um looking at approving it, we want that

7183
04:33:02,240 --> 04:33:03,600
development agreement to have those

7184
04:33:03,600 --> 04:33:04,760
correct attachments and make sure

7185
04:33:04,760 --> 04:33:06,920
>> So, Derek, can I read this and you tell

7186
04:33:06,920 --> 04:33:08,199
me

7187
04:33:08,199 --> 04:33:10,721
uh if this is I we need to add the level

7188
04:33:10,721 --> 04:33:12,641
two and maybe the type of tree. I don't

7189
04:33:12,641 --> 04:33:13,801
know if we need to add that. But anyway,

7190
04:33:13,801 --> 04:33:15,000
let me tell you.

7191
04:33:15,000 --> 04:33:15,920
Uh

7192
04:33:15,920 --> 04:33:17,359
I item number one in the development

7193
04:33:17,359 --> 04:33:19,561
agreement, development in conformance

7194
04:33:19,561 --> 04:33:21,240
with concept plan.

7195
04:33:21,240 --> 04:33:23,400
That gives us what um the parties

7196
04:33:23,400 --> 04:33:25,199
acknowledge and agree that the concept

7197
04:33:25,199 --> 04:33:27,199
plan drawings and renderings that

7198
04:33:27,199 --> 04:33:29,680
developer presented to the city council

7199
04:33:29,680 --> 04:33:31,520
were significant factor in the city

7200
04:33:31,520 --> 04:33:33,199
council's favorable consideration of

7201
04:33:33,199 --> 04:33:34,600
developer's request to rezone the

7202
04:33:34,600 --> 04:33:36,920
property to C-1. The property shall be

7203
04:33:36,920 --> 04:33:38,680
developed in conformance with the

7204
04:33:38,680 --> 04:33:40,801
concept plan drawings and renderings

7205
04:33:40,801 --> 04:33:42,961
attached here to to exhibit B including

7206
04:33:42,961 --> 04:33:44,600
but not limited to conformance with

7207
04:33:44,600 --> 04:33:46,160
building location, design, layout,

7208
04:33:46,160 --> 04:33:48,279
lighting, landscape including trees to

7209
04:33:48,279 --> 04:33:49,680
block second story window vision from

7210
04:33:49,680 --> 04:33:52,199
adjacent neighbors, elevations and

7211
04:33:52,199 --> 04:33:54,359
building finish materials.

7212
04:33:54,359 --> 04:33:56,320
Package terminal air conditioner and

7213
04:33:56,320 --> 04:33:58,199
condensing units to be placed on the

7214
04:33:58,199 --> 04:34:00,400
north side. And then exhibit B is

7215
04:34:00,400 --> 04:34:02,641
attached here to by reference is made a

7216
04:34:02,641 --> 04:34:04,320
part here of.

7217
04:34:04,320 --> 04:34:06,359
Is which Which is exhibit B? Do we have

7218
04:34:06,359 --> 04:34:06,881
all that?

7219
04:34:06,881 --> 04:34:08,320
>> I I

7220
04:34:08,320 --> 04:34:09,119
right.

7221
04:34:09,119 --> 04:34:11,240
>> The air conditioning, so I'm not going

7222
04:34:11,240 --> 04:34:12,600
to air conditioning, but I understand

7223
04:34:12,600 --> 04:34:15,240
the condenser will be on the north side

7224
04:34:15,240 --> 04:34:17,760
and then the package AC units are

7225
04:34:17,760 --> 04:34:19,641
attached to the windows and they're just

7226
04:34:19,641 --> 04:34:21,119
the little

7227
04:34:21,119 --> 04:34:22,279
ones that are attached on the windows,

7228
04:34:22,279 --> 04:34:24,320
but the noise maker is the condensing

7229
04:34:24,320 --> 04:34:26,359
unit, which will be on the north side

7230
04:34:26,359 --> 04:34:28,000
and that is part of the development

7231
04:34:28,000 --> 04:34:29,600
agreement.

7232
04:34:29,600 --> 04:34:31,279
>> Yeah, there is a comma and an and there,

7233
04:34:31,279 --> 04:34:34,711
so I see what you're saying. Okay.

7234
04:34:34,721 --> 04:34:36,240
» Okay, did that cover Do we have

7235
04:34:36,240 --> 04:34:37,600
everything covered then? I'm looking at

7236
04:34:37,600 --> 04:34:40,520
our legal staff looking at Mr. Hall.

7237
04:34:40,520 --> 04:34:42,039
>> It covers it for me.

7238
04:34:42,039 --> 04:34:44,039
>> If I could make a comment, Mayor.

7239
04:34:44,039 --> 04:34:45,320
So, I think the main thing that we're

7240
04:34:45,320 --> 04:34:47,961
missing right now is that uh part of the

7241
04:34:47,961 --> 04:34:49,840
exhibit that show the elevation, you

7242
04:34:49,840 --> 04:34:51,600
know, on the height of the building.

7243
04:34:51,600 --> 04:34:53,199
Um

7244
04:34:53,199 --> 04:34:55,160
you know, that that wasn't in the

7245
04:34:55,160 --> 04:34:56,840
current version of the agreement that

7246
04:34:56,840 --> 04:34:59,359
has been signed. It's been signed by uh

7247
04:34:59,359 --> 04:35:02,320
the owner, it's been signed by Bren.

7248
04:35:02,320 --> 04:35:03,721
So, what when they signed that, they

7249
04:35:03,721 --> 04:35:05,801
agreed to what was already there without

7250
04:35:05,801 --> 04:35:07,680
that exhibit, so probably we would need

7251
04:35:07,680 --> 04:35:08,920
to go

7252
04:35:08,920 --> 04:35:10,840
get that exhibit,

7253
04:35:10,840 --> 04:35:12,359
have another version of that agreement

7254
04:35:12,359 --> 04:35:14,240
and have both parties resign it just to

7255
04:35:14,240 --> 04:35:16,480
make sure that it's clear that they are

7256
04:35:16,480 --> 04:35:18,039
agreeing to that.

7257
04:35:18,039 --> 04:35:19,240
So,

7258
04:35:19,240 --> 04:35:21,920
if that's what we would like to do, then

7259
04:35:21,920 --> 04:35:24,801
maybe you want to continue uh this not

7260
04:35:24,801 --> 04:35:26,439
to just

7261
04:35:26,439 --> 04:35:27,881
to the next go to the next item, we can

7262
04:35:27,881 --> 04:35:30,000
come back to this item tonight. I can

7263
04:35:30,000 --> 04:35:31,641
get that taken care of, have both

7264
04:35:31,641 --> 04:35:33,600
parties sign it, then you can come back

7265
04:35:33,600 --> 04:35:35,039
to it and then you're inclined to

7266
04:35:35,039 --> 04:35:36,721
approve it, you could at that time. Does

7267
04:35:36,721 --> 04:35:37,760
that make sense?

7268
04:35:37,760 --> 04:35:39,641
>> Okay.

7269
04:35:39,641 --> 04:35:46,881
So, so we need a motion then to continue this until

7270
04:35:46,881 --> 04:35:48,080
>> You can just go to the next

7271
04:35:48,080 --> 04:35:50,320
>> the next item. Okay, we're putting a

7272
04:35:50,320 --> 04:35:55,871
pause button on this for a minute.

7273
04:35:55,881 --> 04:35:56,881
» No.

7274
04:35:56,881 --> 04:35:59,400
okay.

7275
04:35:59,400 --> 04:36:00,961
>> That's an option. I'm not saying you

7276
04:36:00,961 --> 04:36:01,359
have to do that.

7277
04:36:01,359 --> 04:36:02,320
>> Council, what do you think?

7278
04:36:02,320 --> 04:36:03,680
>> have control over the agenda, so you

7279
04:36:03,680 --> 04:36:04,680
should go to today.

7280
04:36:04,680 --> 04:36:06,199
>> Okay, but is that Are you okay with

7281
04:36:06,199 --> 04:36:08,600
that, Council? Okay. But, we will move

7282
04:36:08,600 --> 04:36:12,119
on to the next item while you guys go

7283
04:36:12,119 --> 04:36:13,881
hash that out

7284
04:36:13,881 --> 04:36:17,000
on that. The next item on the agenda is

7285
04:36:17,000 --> 04:36:19,520
a another public hearing.

7286
04:36:19,520 --> 04:36:22,080
And it's an ordinance to amend the

7287
04:36:22,080 --> 04:36:25,000
zoning ordinance Article 22-5-3A

7288
04:36:25,000 --> 04:36:27,119
in the zoning map of the City of Orem by

7289
04:36:27,119 --> 04:36:28,480
changing the zone of the property

7290
04:36:28,480 --> 04:36:31,641
located generally at 1875 South Geneva

7291
04:36:31,641 --> 04:36:35,439
Road from OS5, open space, to PRD,

7292
04:36:35,439 --> 04:36:37,760
planned residential development, and to

7293
04:36:37,760 --> 04:36:42,199
amend Appendix KK site plan Farmhaven to

7294
04:36:42,199 --> 04:36:45,039
include the property, approximately 2.9

7295
04:36:45,039 --> 04:36:46,320
acres.

7296
04:36:46,320 --> 04:36:48,160
So, we'll turn it back over to you, Mr.

7297
04:36:48,160 --> 04:36:49,840
Hall.

7298
04:36:49,840 --> 04:36:52,000
>> Thank you. Um as you said, this is a a

7299
04:36:52,000 --> 04:36:54,000
request for zoning map amendment. It

7300
04:36:54,000 --> 04:36:56,279
actually has a couple of a couple of

7301
04:36:56,279 --> 04:36:57,520
components. So, I want to take a little

7302
04:36:57,520 --> 04:37:00,439
time and explain best I can for this.

7303
04:37:00,439 --> 04:37:01,520
Um

7304
04:37:01,520 --> 04:37:03,721
it This is a a

7305
04:37:03,721 --> 04:37:06,080
an existing PRD right here is called

7306
04:37:06,080 --> 04:37:07,480
Farmhaven.

7307
04:37:07,480 --> 04:37:09,199
Uh this property is the property that's

7308
04:37:09,199 --> 04:37:10,721
up for rezoning or that's been

7309
04:37:10,721 --> 04:37:12,920
requested. It's currently in the OS5

7310
04:37:12,920 --> 04:37:14,480
zone.

7311
04:37:14,480 --> 04:37:16,160
Um they would like to The applicants

7312
04:37:16,160 --> 04:37:18,119
would like to include it with their PRD

7313
04:37:18,119 --> 04:37:19,760
that they have here already approved as

7314
04:37:19,760 --> 04:37:22,520
Farmhaven and make it part of that that

7315
04:37:22,520 --> 04:37:24,480
plan. In order to do that, they need to

7316
04:37:24,480 --> 04:37:26,480
be included in the PRD zone.

7317
04:37:26,480 --> 04:37:27,160
Um

7318
04:37:27,160 --> 04:37:28,881
the Farmhaven component of it, that

7319
04:37:28,881 --> 04:37:31,721
Appendix KK, all of the

7320
04:37:31,721 --> 04:37:33,439
When the city approves a PRD, a planned

7321
04:37:33,439 --> 04:37:35,641
residential development, they include

7322
04:37:35,641 --> 04:37:37,080
with that

7323
04:37:37,080 --> 04:37:39,561
uh into our appendix, into Appendix KK,

7324
04:37:39,561 --> 04:37:41,439
a site plan for that development that

7325
04:37:41,439 --> 04:37:43,920
helps control what gets done there. Um

7326
04:37:43,920 --> 04:37:45,961
in this case, it was Farmhaven.

7327
04:37:45,961 --> 04:37:48,279
And I'm going to skip back to it in just

7328
04:37:48,279 --> 04:37:50,760
a moment, but uh the existing Farmhaven

7329
04:37:50,760 --> 04:37:52,439
area is here. This is the property

7330
04:37:52,439 --> 04:37:54,641
they'd like to add to it. Uh

7331
04:37:54,641 --> 04:37:56,359
the new version of Farmhaven would be

7332
04:37:56,359 --> 04:37:58,119
called Westerly Way because it would

7333
04:37:58,119 --> 04:38:00,039
include twin homes instead of the

7334
04:38:00,039 --> 04:38:01,881
single-family detached on smaller lots

7335
04:38:01,881 --> 04:38:04,439
we call cottages Farmhaven cottages is

7336
04:38:04,439 --> 04:38:05,199
Yeah, well good question.

7337
04:38:05,199 --> 04:38:07,359
>> Sorry, how many were in the existing

7338
04:38:07,359 --> 04:38:09,279
original the approved PRD?

7339
04:38:09,279 --> 04:38:10,641
>> This is the original approved PRD.

7340
04:38:10,641 --> 04:38:13,000
>> So 19, let's see. No, 25.

7341
04:38:13,000 --> 04:38:13,520
>> 25.

7342
04:38:13,520 --> 04:38:14,320
>> Okay, thank you.

7343
04:38:14,320 --> 04:38:16,760
>> Yep. And then you can see

7344
04:38:16,760 --> 04:38:17,961
the difference actually just right

7345
04:38:17,961 --> 04:38:20,641
there. The existing property

7346
04:38:20,641 --> 04:38:22,520
and then the OS 5 zone that they would

7347
04:38:22,520 --> 04:38:24,801
like to add to it.

7348
04:38:24,801 --> 04:38:25,721
Um

7349
04:38:25,721 --> 04:38:30,951
the twin home lots uh add up to

7350
04:38:30,961 --> 04:38:32,279
a total

7351
04:38:32,279 --> 04:38:33,199
um

7352
04:38:33,199 --> 04:38:34,600
can't remember how many exactly. I'm

7353
04:38:34,600 --> 04:38:37,400
sorry right now as I'm still thinking about Spring Hollow.

7354
04:38:37,400 --> 04:38:39,721
So I got to get over that. Move on.

7355
04:38:39,721 --> 04:38:41,561
The um

7356
04:38:41,561 --> 04:38:43,320
the question actually occurs as well

7357
04:38:43,320 --> 04:38:44,801
because

7358
04:38:44,801 --> 04:38:47,520
the planning commission's uh

7359
04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:49,080
the planning commission's recommendation

7360
04:38:49,080 --> 04:38:51,359
for approval included a requirement for

7361
04:38:51,359 --> 04:38:52,881
a road.

7362
04:38:52,881 --> 04:38:55,400
Sorry. Based on this road out to Geneva

7363
04:38:55,400 --> 04:38:57,721
Road, a public access that goes from the

7364
04:38:57,721 --> 04:39:00,119
project to Geneva Road. Uh so the

7365
04:39:00,119 --> 04:39:01,480
planning commission recommended approval

7366
04:39:01,480 --> 04:39:03,400
of the zone change of this land being

7367
04:39:03,400 --> 04:39:05,561
included in the PRD but including a road

7368
04:39:05,561 --> 04:39:06,961
out to Geneva.

7369
04:39:06,961 --> 04:39:10,881
Um so the the the applicants have kept

7370
04:39:10,881 --> 04:39:13,920
their design as it is and are requesting

7371
04:39:13,920 --> 04:39:15,359
to move forward with it as it is. It

7372
04:39:15,359 --> 04:39:17,320
includes a secondary access so there's

7373
04:39:17,320 --> 04:39:19,039
emergency service access but there is

7374
04:39:19,039 --> 04:39:22,039
not full uh neighborhood access out to

7375
04:39:22,039 --> 04:39:23,359
Geneva Road.

7376
04:39:23,359 --> 04:39:24,961
So these units then access the other

7377
04:39:24,961 --> 04:39:26,359
roadways and that was the concern of the

7378
04:39:26,359 --> 04:39:27,520
planning commission.

7379
04:39:27,520 --> 04:39:28,961
>> So I have a question then. Just want to

7380
04:39:28,961 --> 04:39:30,039
make sure I understand.

7381
04:39:30,039 --> 04:39:30,439
>> Yes.

7382
04:39:30,439 --> 04:39:34,520
>> So the original PRD had a road

7383
04:39:34,520 --> 04:39:37,080
that went to Geneva Road.

7384
04:39:37,080 --> 04:39:37,680
>> Correct.

7385
04:39:37,680 --> 04:39:40,200
>> And the current proposal does not have

7386
04:39:40,200 --> 04:39:42,920
that road but has an emergency access

7387
04:39:42,920 --> 04:39:46,400
should there be like for fire or police?

7388
04:39:46,400 --> 04:39:47,480
And then can you go back to the

7389
04:39:47,480 --> 04:39:48,960
proposal?

7390
04:39:48,960 --> 04:39:50,840
And currently

7391
04:39:50,840 --> 04:39:53,600
the it would everything this development

7392
04:39:53,600 --> 04:39:56,120
until the property it's I know the

7393
04:39:56,120 --> 04:39:58,880
property to the east is being developed

7394
04:39:58,880 --> 04:40:01,600
but the road there's nothing built yet.

7395
04:40:01,600 --> 04:40:05,240
So traffic would need to go

7396
04:40:05,240 --> 04:40:08,120
the traffic from the 44 twin homes would

7397
04:40:08,120 --> 04:40:11,360
go down through the 800 West and meet up

7398
04:40:11,360 --> 04:40:13,560
with 2000 South. Is that right?

7399
04:40:13,560 --> 04:40:15,520
>> That's right. Eventually Whitestone is

7400
04:40:15,520 --> 04:40:17,200
the property to the east here that's

7401
04:40:17,200 --> 04:40:20,870
being developed.

7402
04:40:20,880 --> 04:40:22,640
When they build that road will connect

7403
04:40:22,640 --> 04:40:23,760
as well.

7404
04:40:23,760 --> 04:40:25,280
So there will be two ways out of the

7405
04:40:25,280 --> 04:40:27,280
twin home subdivision if that's the case

7406
04:40:27,280 --> 04:40:28,680
but yeah all that traffic would go down

7407
04:40:28,680 --> 04:40:29,640
8th.

7408
04:40:29,640 --> 04:40:31,120
Or up into Whitestone and then again out

7409
04:40:31,120 --> 04:40:31,800
to 2000.

7410
04:40:31,800 --> 04:40:33,800
>> Out to 2000. So there would not be any

7411
04:40:33,800 --> 04:40:36,320
type of

7412
04:40:36,320 --> 04:40:37,640
western access.

7413
04:40:37,640 --> 04:40:39,000
>> No, that's right. It would only be

7414
04:40:39,000 --> 04:40:40,120
emergency access.

7415
04:40:40,120 --> 04:40:41,160
>> Okay, thank you.

7416
04:40:41,160 --> 04:40:41,960
>> Yep.

7417
04:40:41,960 --> 04:40:43,360
And the um

7418
04:40:43,360 --> 04:40:44,720
Oh, yeah, go ahead.

7419
04:40:44,720 --> 04:40:46,320
>> Go ahead Councilman Millet. Go ahead,

7420
04:40:46,320 --> 04:40:46,920
finish your

7421
04:40:46,920 --> 04:40:48,920
>> Oh, I was just going to say this is so I

7422
04:40:48,920 --> 04:40:50,600
keep referring it to it as the plan that

7423
04:40:50,600 --> 04:40:52,320
they had. It's the plan that they have.

7424
04:40:52,320 --> 04:40:53,600
It's it's actually on the books right

7425
04:40:53,600 --> 04:40:55,360
now. This this could be built. It's been

7426
04:40:55,360 --> 04:40:58,320
approved. This particular site plan.

7427
04:40:58,320 --> 04:41:00,200
But with the they they developed that

7428
04:41:00,200 --> 04:41:01,560
assuming they couldn't get this property

7429
04:41:01,560 --> 04:41:03,600
when they were able to purchase this

7430
04:41:03,600 --> 04:41:06,760
property that changed their plans. So

7431
04:41:06,760 --> 04:41:08,280
>> And before it was I'm sorry go back to

7432
04:41:08,280 --> 04:41:09,600
that 25 homes approved?

7433
04:41:09,600 --> 04:41:10,200
>> Correct.

7434
04:41:10,200 --> 04:41:11,800
>> And we're looking at 44.

7435
04:41:11,800 --> 04:41:12,440
>> 44.

7436
04:41:12,440 --> 04:41:14,960
>> So yeah, taking out the road and almost

7437
04:41:14,960 --> 04:41:16,720
doubling the density.

7438
04:41:16,720 --> 04:41:20,480
Um here's my question. The the road 2000

7439
04:41:20,480 --> 04:41:21,320
South

7440
04:41:21,320 --> 04:41:21,800
>> Mhm.

7441
04:41:21,800 --> 04:41:24,360
>> If I'm remembering we had some some

7442
04:41:24,360 --> 04:41:27,800
conversations about this uh

7443
04:41:27,800 --> 04:41:29,800
Whitestone the Wolcott farm that's what

7444
04:41:29,800 --> 04:41:30,960
I know it as.

7445
04:41:30,960 --> 04:41:34,280
Um the the one farthest east the exit

7446
04:41:34,280 --> 04:41:36,480
was going to have a pork chop or a right

7447
04:41:36,480 --> 04:41:38,680
turn only or some restrictions.

7448
04:41:38,680 --> 04:41:40,200
>> That's right. And the

7449
04:41:40,200 --> 04:41:42,160
one further west was full but the one

7450
04:41:42,160 --> 04:41:44,240
further east is a right in right out.

7451
04:41:44,240 --> 04:41:47,560
>> Okay, so this one the 800 West would be

7452
04:41:47,560 --> 04:41:48,560
the more

7453
04:41:48,560 --> 04:41:49,880
>> It's the more flexible. This one goes to

7454
04:41:49,880 --> 04:41:50,920
the full

7455
04:41:50,920 --> 04:41:53,040
>> Okay, full access. Okay.

7456
04:41:53,040 --> 04:41:54,520
All right. Um thank you, and Council

7457
04:41:54,520 --> 04:41:56,320
Member Meacham has a question.

7458
04:41:56,320 --> 04:41:57,760
>> This is actually just follow up on on

7459
04:41:57,760 --> 04:41:59,360
Laney's question because I I don't have

7460
04:41:59,360 --> 04:42:01,880
the Whitestone map in my head.

7461
04:42:01,880 --> 04:42:04,320
Um there is another exit to 2000 South

7462
04:42:04,320 --> 04:42:06,200
from Whitestone. Is that's correct?

7463
04:42:06,200 --> 04:42:07,000
>> Yes.

7464
04:42:07,000 --> 04:42:08,520
>> Um so

7465
04:42:08,520 --> 04:42:10,520
Um from those two properties, those two

7466
04:42:10,520 --> 04:42:11,720
adjacent properties, there'd be two

7467
04:42:11,720 --> 04:42:14,600
exits both funneling down to 2000.

7468
04:42:14,600 --> 04:42:15,400
>> Yeah, that's right.

7469
04:42:15,400 --> 04:42:18,920
>> And um the railroad crossing, which I

7470
04:42:18,920 --> 04:42:21,640
know can cause cars to back up, is to

7471
04:42:21,640 --> 04:42:23,520
the east of both of those exits. Yes,

7472
04:42:23,520 --> 04:42:26,080
that's right. Okay. That's right. Um

7473
04:42:26,080 --> 04:42:27,720
okay, thank you.

7474
04:42:27,720 --> 04:42:29,200
>> All right, thank you. Sorry to

7475
04:42:29,200 --> 04:42:30,760
interrupt, but go ahead and

7476
04:42:30,760 --> 04:42:32,520
>> No, you're you're just fine. I I like

7477
04:42:32,520 --> 04:42:35,360
the questions. So um

7478
04:42:35,360 --> 04:42:37,640
that is in a nutshell kind of the the

7479
04:42:37,640 --> 04:42:40,480
consideration. 44 proposed twin home

7480
04:42:40,480 --> 04:42:43,560
lots at six units to the acre. Um

7481
04:42:43,560 --> 04:42:45,280
form standard sub local streets, so they

7482
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:46,440
get curb gutter and sidewalk, the

7483
04:42:46,440 --> 04:42:48,320
buffered sidewalks. They're all two-car

7484
04:42:48,320 --> 04:42:50,400
garages. Uh there are additional parking

7485
04:42:50,400 --> 04:42:51,920
spaces. Oh, should have made you aware

7486
04:42:51,920 --> 04:42:53,440
of that. There's some additional parking

7487
04:42:53,440 --> 04:42:54,840
spaces provided. Some of them are

7488
04:42:54,840 --> 04:42:56,440
actually on that part that Just going to

7489
04:42:56,440 --> 04:42:57,840
zip back here.

7490
04:42:57,840 --> 04:42:59,280
That's additional parking for the

7491
04:42:59,280 --> 04:43:00,480
subdivision.

7492
04:43:00,480 --> 04:43:02,480
Uh this parking is for the autism

7493
04:43:02,480 --> 04:43:03,640
academy

7494
04:43:03,640 --> 04:43:05,120
as well.

7495
04:43:05,120 --> 04:43:06,920
Um most of the storm drainage happens in

7496
04:43:06,920 --> 04:43:09,480
this area for both the project and for

7497
04:43:09,480 --> 04:43:11,080
the autism academy.

7498
04:43:11,080 --> 04:43:13,760
Um the elevations here you can see uh

7499
04:43:13,760 --> 04:43:15,720
those need to be modified. The rear

7500
04:43:15,720 --> 04:43:17,840
elevations uh and side elevations need

7501
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:19,960
to include um

7502
04:43:19,960 --> 04:43:22,120
more stone on them uh like the front

7503
04:43:22,120 --> 04:43:23,160
elevation.

7504
04:43:23,160 --> 04:43:24,840
But those are twin homes. Uh they're

7505
04:43:24,840 --> 04:43:26,960
garage They're single level. Uh they're

7506
04:43:26,960 --> 04:43:28,920
not two-story homes in this deal. And

7507
04:43:28,920 --> 04:43:30,320
this is like what we were talking about

7508
04:43:30,320 --> 04:43:33,560
with the concept plan for Spring Hollow.

7509
04:43:33,560 --> 04:43:35,280
This gets recorded. This is part of our

7510
04:43:35,280 --> 04:43:37,680
appendix our appendix, and they they're

7511
04:43:37,680 --> 04:43:40,200
bound to build these units.

7512
04:43:40,200 --> 04:43:42,360
So if that's what gets approved, then

7513
04:43:42,360 --> 04:43:44,200
that's what they have to build.

7514
04:43:44,200 --> 04:43:46,360
Um and that is my presentation. If you

7515
04:43:46,360 --> 04:43:48,960
have any questions uh about the project

7516
04:43:48,960 --> 04:43:49,800
or how that works.

7517
04:43:49,800 --> 04:43:50,880
>> Okay, Council, do you have any more

7518
04:43:50,880 --> 04:43:52,840
questions for Mr. Hall?

7519
04:43:52,840 --> 04:43:54,920
>> I I just have the concern. So, can you

7520
04:43:54,920 --> 04:43:57,280
share with us, the Council, what the

7521
04:43:57,280 --> 04:43:58,960
Planning Commission challenge was about

7522
04:43:58,960 --> 04:44:00,880
the street and what was brought up in

7523
04:44:00,880 --> 04:44:01,480
that meeting?

7524
04:44:01,480 --> 04:44:03,640
>> Sure. Um so, this is actually the

7525
04:44:03,640 --> 04:44:05,040
aerial's a good slide to talk about that

7526
04:44:05,040 --> 04:44:07,800
with. This is that connection. I'm going

7527
04:44:07,800 --> 04:44:08,960
to go back to it so you can see it

7528
04:44:08,960 --> 04:44:10,160
clearly.

7529
04:44:10,160 --> 04:44:11,640
That is the extension of that

7530
04:44:11,640 --> 04:44:13,600
connection. Uh this is the one going out

7531
04:44:13,600 --> 04:44:14,920
into Whitestone. So, when you take a

7532
04:44:14,920 --> 04:44:16,640
look at it from the air,

7533
04:44:16,640 --> 04:44:18,360
that's the way out of the project and

7534
04:44:18,360 --> 04:44:20,640
then there are two exits as uh

7535
04:44:20,640 --> 04:44:22,080
Councilman Meacham mentioned in the

7536
04:44:22,080 --> 04:44:24,200
Whitestone project. Uh this goes

7537
04:44:24,200 --> 04:44:26,280
straight through Peyton Crossing, the

7538
04:44:26,280 --> 04:44:27,960
existing subdivision, and then two more

7539
04:44:27,960 --> 04:44:29,760
out through Whitestone. The Planning

7540
04:44:29,760 --> 04:44:32,480
Commission felt that uh because the

7541
04:44:32,480 --> 04:44:35,680
existing PRD that was approved included

7542
04:44:35,680 --> 04:44:37,400
an access to Geneva, there was no reason

7543
04:44:37,400 --> 04:44:38,880
for the new project with additional

7544
04:44:38,880 --> 04:44:40,400
units not to include an access to

7545
04:44:40,400 --> 04:44:43,800
Geneva. Uh the the traffic study

7546
04:44:43,800 --> 04:44:45,560
uh that had been on the traffic impact

7547
04:44:45,560 --> 04:44:47,960
study that was done doesn't require it.

7548
04:44:47,960 --> 04:44:52,240
Uh the number of units doesn't reach levels that requires us to

7549
04:44:52,240 --> 04:44:53,880
have a third access, but it does make

7550
04:44:53,880 --> 04:44:56,080
all the traffic flow better throughout

7551
04:44:56,080 --> 04:44:58,040
the additional subdivision here, the

7552
04:44:58,040 --> 04:44:59,200
subdivision that exists at Peyton

7553
04:44:59,200 --> 04:45:01,080
Crossing, and then the new 44 units. All

7554
04:45:01,080 --> 04:45:02,400
that traffic flows better if there's an

7555
04:45:02,400 --> 04:45:05,400
access to Geneva directly west. Um it's

7556
04:45:05,400 --> 04:45:07,120
not required by that

7557
04:45:07,120 --> 04:45:09,680
um traffic impact study, but it does

7558
04:45:09,680 --> 04:45:12,000
make traffic flow better. Um and the

7559
04:45:12,000 --> 04:45:13,200
Planning Commission felt like that was a

7560
04:45:13,200 --> 04:45:15,080
good trade-off for the 44 additional

7561
04:45:15,080 --> 04:45:17,080
units in the PRD.

7562
04:45:17,080 --> 04:45:18,320
>> All right, thank you.

7563
04:45:18,320 --> 04:45:20,320
>> that answers your question.

7564
04:45:20,320 --> 04:45:21,480
>> All right, if there are any more

7565
04:45:21,480 --> 04:45:23,640
questions, okay, Council member um

7566
04:45:23,640 --> 04:45:24,240
Lampson.

7567
04:45:24,240 --> 04:45:27,280
>> So, the the PRD uh the zone that was

7568
04:45:27,280 --> 04:45:30,120
previously uh or is currently OS5

7569
04:45:30,120 --> 04:45:32,480
proposed to be PR PRD.

7570
04:45:32,480 --> 04:45:35,120
So, that property, it looks like there

7571
04:45:35,120 --> 04:45:38,160
are 12 units that would fit on that

7572
04:45:38,160 --> 04:45:40,760
property. So, there were 25 before being

7573
04:45:40,760 --> 04:45:44,350
proposed on just

7574
04:45:44,360 --> 04:45:45,680
the previous land. Now that they're

7575
04:45:45,680 --> 04:45:47,520
expanding that and on that land, then

7576
04:45:47,520 --> 04:45:50,240
that's where they'll add 12 more.

7577
04:45:50,240 --> 04:45:52,280
So, the So, the density for the actual

7578
04:45:52,280 --> 04:45:53,840
land that was that was being developed

7579
04:45:53,840 --> 04:45:55,200
originally

7580
04:45:55,200 --> 04:45:58,600
was 25, and now we've got this another strip of land that we're adding

7581
04:45:58,600 --> 04:45:59,920
12 more

7582
04:45:59,920 --> 04:46:00,640
houses.

7583
04:46:00,640 --> 04:46:02,240
>> That sounds about correct. I think

7584
04:46:02,240 --> 04:46:05,000
there's a few a few more than that as it

7585
04:46:05,000 --> 04:46:07,240
Or are are the ones on the other side of

7586
04:46:07,240 --> 04:46:10,400
the road these are from the original?

7587
04:46:10,400 --> 04:46:12,720
And these units here

7588
04:46:12,720 --> 04:46:14,040
are on the new property.

7589
04:46:14,040 --> 04:46:15,760
>> Okay. So, it's So, those 12

7590
04:46:15,760 --> 04:46:16,880
>> So, it does get a little more dense on

7591
04:46:16,880 --> 04:46:19,120
the on the existing property. Yeah.

7592
04:46:19,120 --> 04:46:21,640
>> 145 I think it's

7593
04:46:21,640 --> 04:46:22,920
>> Mhm.

7594
04:46:22,920 --> 04:46:24,160
>> Somehow.

7595
04:46:24,160 --> 04:46:26,830
>> There's another

7596
04:46:26,840 --> 04:46:28,360
It's It's the twin homes. You You lose

7597
04:46:28,360 --> 04:46:30,760
that side yard by by zeroing zeroing the

7598
04:46:30,760 --> 04:46:32,280
lot line between the two units. So,

7599
04:46:32,280 --> 04:46:34,560
they're still ownable. Um they can still

7600
04:46:34,560 --> 04:46:36,200
be They can still be owner-occupied.

7601
04:46:36,200 --> 04:46:37,080
They can still be purchased

7602
04:46:37,080 --> 04:46:38,840
individually, own the land underneath.

7603
04:46:38,840 --> 04:46:39,960
You just have a common wall with your

7604
04:46:39,960 --> 04:46:40,960
neighbor. It's like a duplex with a

7605
04:46:40,960 --> 04:46:43,480
property line down the middle. So.

7606
04:46:43,480 --> 04:46:45,360
Um it just allowed them to increase the

7607
04:46:45,360 --> 04:46:46,720
number of units on the existing

7608
04:46:46,720 --> 04:46:47,880
property, as well as add those

7609
04:46:47,880 --> 04:46:50,360
additionals on the new property.

7610
04:46:50,360 --> 04:46:52,600
>> All right. Any other questions? Yes,

7611
04:46:52,600 --> 04:46:53,400
Council member Miller.

7612
04:46:53,400 --> 04:46:55,360
>> So, would you compare and contrast for

7613
04:46:55,360 --> 04:46:59,200
me the setbacks from the plan before to

7614
04:46:59,200 --> 04:47:00,560
this plan?

7615
04:47:00,560 --> 04:47:02,040
>> That's a great question. I don't know if

7616
04:47:02,040 --> 04:47:03,680
I can do it really well.

7617
04:47:03,680 --> 04:47:06,800
Um the existing plan, the the Farmhaven

7618
04:47:06,800 --> 04:47:08,640
plan, has some pretty close setbacks,

7619
04:47:08,640 --> 04:47:09,800
but they're not quite as They're

7620
04:47:09,800 --> 04:47:11,160
obviously not as close as the zero lot

7621
04:47:11,160 --> 04:47:13,480
lines. The other lot lines or sorry, the

7622
04:47:13,480 --> 04:47:15,160
other property line distances stay about

7623
04:47:15,160 --> 04:47:16,880
the same. Between the Between each

7624
04:47:16,880 --> 04:47:18,840
building, they're about the same between

7625
04:47:18,840 --> 04:47:19,520
units.

7626
04:47:19,520 --> 04:47:21,480
>> Are they 4 ft to property line?

7627
04:47:21,480 --> 04:47:22,520
>> Yes.

7628
04:47:22,520 --> 04:47:24,000
These are Sorry, they're five to

7629
04:47:24,000 --> 04:47:25,280
property lines.

7630
04:47:25,280 --> 04:47:28,560
>> So, what we're what we're doing is we're

7631
04:47:28,560 --> 04:47:29,880
pretty much what you said is zero

7632
04:47:29,880 --> 04:47:31,840
property line cuz it's a twin home now.

7633
04:47:31,840 --> 04:47:32,280
>> Yes.

7634
04:47:32,280 --> 04:47:33,560
>> And then four

7635
04:47:33,560 --> 04:47:37,000
>> 10 ft between buildings.

7636
04:47:37,000 --> 04:47:39,160
Um

7637
04:47:39,160 --> 04:47:41,480
>> All right. Thank you. Um we'll go ahead

7638
04:47:41,480 --> 04:47:42,520
and invite the applicant if the

7639
04:47:42,520 --> 04:47:44,440
applicant's here. Come up and introduce

7640
04:47:44,440 --> 04:47:46,680
yourself and if you would like to

7641
04:47:46,680 --> 04:47:48,840
provide any other information that would

7642
04:47:48,840 --> 04:47:50,400
be helpful in our deliberation, that

7643
04:47:50,400 --> 04:47:51,400
would be great.

7644
04:47:51,400 --> 04:47:52,960
>> Thanks. Thank you. My name's Trisha

7645
04:47:52,960 --> 04:47:55,000
Nelson. I'm the president and founder of

7646
04:47:55,000 --> 04:47:57,080
Utah Autism Academy and we're we're the

7647
04:47:57,080 --> 04:47:58,760
owners of this property as a nonprofit

7648
04:47:58,760 --> 04:48:00,760
organization. Um and I think it's

7649
04:48:00,760 --> 04:48:01,920
important, I know it's been a really

7650
04:48:01,920 --> 04:48:03,920
long day of meetings for you all, but I

7651
04:48:03,920 --> 04:48:05,960
think it's really important that I

7652
04:48:05,960 --> 04:48:07,560
help you understand where this project

7653
04:48:07,560 --> 04:48:09,920
comes from because as a parent of a

7654
04:48:09,920 --> 04:48:12,160
24-year-old autistic individual, I

7655
04:48:12,160 --> 04:48:15,360
started our organization um out of the

7656
04:48:15,360 --> 04:48:17,560
love for this community and the need for

7657
04:48:17,560 --> 04:48:20,400
services. I was born and raised in Orem

7658
04:48:20,400 --> 04:48:22,120
and I've come back here to live with my

7659
04:48:22,120 --> 04:48:24,240
family for 13 years

7660
04:48:24,240 --> 04:48:26,720
and my parents taught me that uh it was

7661
04:48:26,720 --> 04:48:28,560
important for me to try to do my best to

7662
04:48:28,560 --> 04:48:30,760
make the community better based on my

7663
04:48:30,760 --> 04:48:33,080
experiences and that's why I took being

7664
04:48:33,080 --> 04:48:35,440
a stay-at-home mom and and went to the

7665
04:48:35,440 --> 04:48:37,000
business world and tried to create

7666
04:48:37,000 --> 04:48:39,920
solutions for families like mine. And

7667
04:48:39,920 --> 04:48:41,520
this has been a dream project that we've

7668
04:48:41,520 --> 04:48:43,520
been working on for several years. It

7669
04:48:43,520 --> 04:48:45,240
was originally called Farm Haven because

7670
04:48:45,240 --> 04:48:47,720
it was surrounded by farm. We never

7671
04:48:47,720 --> 04:48:50,280
expected that there would be a high

7672
04:48:50,280 --> 04:48:53,360
development um a an development going in

7673
04:48:53,360 --> 04:48:55,640
where Wilkerson Farm used to be. We were

7674
04:48:55,640 --> 04:48:57,240
told that it would always be farmland

7675
04:48:57,240 --> 04:48:59,240
surrounding us and that's why creating

7676
04:48:59,240 --> 04:49:01,240
an access to that neighborhood that was

7677
04:49:01,240 --> 04:49:02,640
Wilkerson Farm was not a big deal. It

7678
04:49:02,640 --> 04:49:04,560
was never going to be developed. And so

7679
04:49:04,560 --> 04:49:07,000
having a road to Geneva Road made sense.

7680
04:49:07,000 --> 04:49:08,760
There was never going to be a large

7681
04:49:08,760 --> 04:49:10,600
development of uh

7682
04:49:10,600 --> 04:49:12,360
of cars going through our neighborhood

7683
04:49:12,360 --> 04:49:16,000
of autistic individuals. So we um

7684
04:49:16,000 --> 04:49:18,960
proposed that plan a few years ago to

7685
04:49:18,960 --> 04:49:21,520
this council and everything came to a

7686
04:49:21,520 --> 04:49:24,200
screeching halt when the land adjacent

7687
04:49:24,200 --> 04:49:26,800
to our property was being developed. And

7688
04:49:26,800 --> 04:49:29,400
that created a lot of concern for our

7689
04:49:29,400 --> 04:49:32,080
population that we're serving. Um and we

7690
04:49:32,080 --> 04:49:33,600
were also in the process of building a

7691
04:49:33,600 --> 04:49:35,160
beautiful new community center that

7692
04:49:35,160 --> 04:49:37,080
would serve as a pillar for our

7693
04:49:37,080 --> 04:49:38,880
community and is actually being

7694
04:49:38,880 --> 04:49:40,440
recognized nationwide. This whole

7695
04:49:40,440 --> 04:49:42,440
project is being looked at on a national

7696
04:49:42,440 --> 04:49:45,360
scale from those in the autism community

7697
04:49:45,360 --> 04:49:47,240
and Orem is being mentioned all over the

7698
04:49:47,240 --> 04:49:49,280
country and I'm very proud of that

7699
04:49:49,280 --> 04:49:51,560
because this is Family City USA and this

7700
04:49:51,560 --> 04:49:53,880
is where I was born and raised. Um my

7701
04:49:53,880 --> 04:49:56,480
concern is that that we as we created

7702
04:49:56,480 --> 04:49:58,200
and built that new building while we

7703
04:49:58,200 --> 04:50:00,000
were trying to figure this all out, we

7704
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:01,800
were able to purchase that 3 acres of

7705
04:50:01,800 --> 04:50:04,240
land which is why we um decided to

7706
04:50:04,240 --> 04:50:06,040
expand and change this project a little

7707
04:50:06,040 --> 04:50:08,520
bit. Um but also it was very important

7708
04:50:08,520 --> 04:50:10,240
to the council at the time and to us

7709
04:50:10,240 --> 04:50:11,840
that we create affordable housing

7710
04:50:11,840 --> 04:50:15,200
options for these folks. And this is why

7711
04:50:15,200 --> 04:50:17,200
we went to twin homes is because it

7712
04:50:17,200 --> 04:50:19,200
creates a more affordable option for

7713
04:50:19,200 --> 04:50:21,000
families like mine to house individuals

7714
04:50:21,000 --> 04:50:24,360
like this in a way that is conducive to

7715
04:50:24,360 --> 04:50:27,360
what the community needs. And we need

7716
04:50:27,360 --> 04:50:30,200
more options for these folks. Um it does

7717
04:50:30,200 --> 04:50:31,840
increase the density. I understand the

7718
04:50:31,840 --> 04:50:34,240
concern. And there are, you know, I

7719
04:50:34,240 --> 04:50:35,880
believe there's five or six homes that

7720
04:50:35,880 --> 04:50:37,760
this street goes right past their front

7721
04:50:37,760 --> 04:50:39,840
door and and for those neighbors I am

7722
04:50:39,840 --> 04:50:41,680
concerned and we've looked at

7723
04:50:41,680 --> 04:50:42,680
and uh

7724
04:50:42,680 --> 04:50:44,960
tens and hundreds of iterations of what

7725
04:50:44,960 --> 04:50:47,320
we can do to really remediate some of

7726
04:50:47,320 --> 04:50:50,800
those concerns. And uh we've come to you

7727
04:50:50,800 --> 04:50:53,600
with this plan after lots and lots of

7728
04:50:53,600 --> 04:50:55,520
work and we've been in front of this

7729
04:50:55,520 --> 04:51:00,120
community a lot of times and brought many iterations and I

7730
04:51:00,120 --> 04:51:02,520
respect and value what you guys bring to

7731
04:51:02,520 --> 04:51:04,080
the table and I hope I can answer your

7732
04:51:04,080 --> 04:51:05,720
questions so that we can

7733
04:51:05,720 --> 04:51:07,240
finally move forward on this really

7734
04:51:07,240 --> 04:51:08,720
important project that our families are

7735
04:51:08,720 --> 04:51:09,800
waiting for.

7736
04:51:09,800 --> 04:51:11,320
>> All right, thank you.

7737
04:51:11,320 --> 04:51:13,960
I want to thank you for your for what

7738
04:51:13,960 --> 04:51:15,160
you do.

7739
04:51:15,160 --> 04:51:17,160
I think sir I saw you today. I was I

7740
04:51:17,160 --> 04:51:19,360
drove around the back and I waved to you

7741
04:51:19,360 --> 04:51:21,880
and I was looking at the property.

7742
04:51:21,880 --> 04:51:24,800
But appreciate what what the Utah Autism

7743
04:51:24,800 --> 04:51:26,760
Academy how it contributes to the

7744
04:51:26,760 --> 04:51:29,560
community and I'm grateful for that.

7745
04:51:29,560 --> 04:51:31,760
Council, do you have any questions for

7746
04:51:31,760 --> 04:51:35,520
the applicant? Council member Meacham.

7747
04:51:35,520 --> 04:51:38,280
>> Thank you for being here. Thank you for

7748
04:51:38,280 --> 04:51:40,640
founding the academy.

7749
04:51:40,640 --> 04:51:43,360
I think it's a population that we want

7750
04:51:43,360 --> 04:51:46,200
to thrive and care for and it's clearly

7751
04:51:46,200 --> 04:51:47,600
a labor of love

7752
04:51:47,600 --> 04:51:48,720
for for you.

7753
04:51:48,720 --> 04:51:50,240
>> Thank you.

7754
04:51:50,240 --> 04:51:52,320
>> So, grateful for that contribution to

7755
04:51:52,320 --> 04:51:54,640
our community.

7756
04:51:54,640 --> 04:51:57,840
I am not terribly concerned about the

7757
04:51:57,840 --> 04:52:00,720
Twin Home model. I think

7758
04:52:00,720 --> 04:52:02,600
that we do have a need for more

7759
04:52:02,600 --> 04:52:04,760
affordable housing. I know that

7760
04:52:04,760 --> 04:52:06,480
an autism friendly community also could

7761
04:52:06,480 --> 04:52:11,400
benefit from this kind of of housing.

7762
04:52:11,400 --> 04:52:14,320
My concern and the concern that I've

7763
04:52:14,320 --> 04:52:17,400
heard, you know, from many folks

7764
04:52:17,400 --> 04:52:18,680
in the

7765
04:52:18,680 --> 04:52:21,280
neighborhood adjacent to the south

7766
04:52:21,280 --> 04:52:25,590
is is just that um

7767
04:52:25,600 --> 04:52:28,920
it it sounds to me that with the

7768
04:52:28,920 --> 04:52:30,200
Whitestone development that you're

7769
04:52:30,200 --> 04:52:32,200
nervous about people coming and

7770
04:52:32,200 --> 04:52:33,920
accessing Geneva Road next to your

7771
04:52:33,920 --> 04:52:35,560
property.

7772
04:52:35,560 --> 04:52:37,200
Um and

7773
04:52:37,200 --> 04:52:39,160
um that's

7774
04:52:39,160 --> 04:52:42,840
please correct me if I'm wrong, but it it it sounds to me that one of your

7775
04:52:42,840 --> 04:52:44,680
main concerns of taking and the reason

7776
04:52:44,680 --> 04:52:47,440
you would take the Geneva Road access

7777
04:52:47,440 --> 04:52:49,840
off of your property is because it would

7778
04:52:49,840 --> 04:52:51,640
be transiting cars through a

7779
04:52:51,640 --> 04:52:53,160
neighborhood of

7780
04:52:53,160 --> 04:52:54,480
generally vulnerable individuals are

7781
04:52:54,480 --> 04:52:56,920
going past the academy and I I know

7782
04:52:56,920 --> 04:52:57,720
that there are a lot of children in the

7783
04:52:57,720 --> 04:52:59,200
neighborhood to the south that they have

7784
04:52:59,200 --> 04:53:01,200
the exact same concern.

7785
04:53:01,200 --> 04:53:04,640
Um and so I'm I'm wrestling with the the

7786
04:53:04,640 --> 04:53:09,000
question of how do we

7787
04:53:09,000 --> 04:53:10,880
find an equitable solution that meets

7788
04:53:10,880 --> 04:53:12,600
the vulnerabilities on all sides of that

7789
04:53:12,600 --> 04:53:14,960
road and just would like to hear your

7790
04:53:14,960 --> 04:53:16,120
thought process about that.

7791
04:53:16,120 --> 04:53:17,360
>> Yeah, there's there's a lot of

7792
04:53:17,360 --> 04:53:19,000
components to that. And one of those

7793
04:53:19,000 --> 04:53:20,560
includes the fact that when we built our

7794
04:53:20,560 --> 04:53:22,760
community center and saw the needs for

7795
04:53:22,760 --> 04:53:24,400
what the community center would hold,

7796
04:53:24,400 --> 04:53:26,440
like we needed that space on that side

7797
04:53:26,440 --> 04:53:28,680
of the property for parking. And also we

7798
04:53:28,680 --> 04:53:30,440
wanted to create a pavilion and a grass

7799
04:53:30,440 --> 04:53:32,840
area for that that community over there.

7800
04:53:32,840 --> 04:53:36,240
So, um the where our

7801
04:53:36,240 --> 04:53:39,000
new building actually sits is right

7802
04:53:39,000 --> 04:53:41,600
where right where that Geneva Road

7803
04:53:41,600 --> 04:53:42,880
access would have gone right through

7804
04:53:42,880 --> 04:53:45,280
that area. And so we would have to

7805
04:53:45,280 --> 04:53:47,440
reconfigure to go through a different

7806
04:53:47,440 --> 04:53:49,160
way and and potentially cut out some

7807
04:53:49,160 --> 04:53:51,760
parking and and the playground area and

7808
04:53:51,760 --> 04:53:54,080
the park area. Um and it was important

7809
04:53:54,080 --> 04:53:58,000
to us to to impact as few uh neighbors

7810
04:53:58,000 --> 04:54:00,800
as possible to the south, which is why

7811
04:54:00,800 --> 04:54:02,800
the twin home the parking is on is

7812
04:54:02,800 --> 04:54:04,560
behind the one home and the grassy area

7813
04:54:04,560 --> 04:54:06,880
is behind the other three homes um to

7814
04:54:06,880 --> 04:54:09,480
try to minimize the impact there. But we

7815
04:54:09,480 --> 04:54:11,520
also uh have thought about proposing

7816
04:54:11,520 --> 04:54:13,720
that if the the

7817
04:54:13,720 --> 04:54:15,920
entrance to the Whitestone property was

7818
04:54:15,920 --> 04:54:18,240
moved to the north end of us, that

7819
04:54:18,240 --> 04:54:20,360
potentially people aren't going to come

7820
04:54:20,360 --> 04:54:22,280
down 800 West if they're coming through

7821
04:54:22,280 --> 04:54:23,520
the Whitestone property cuz they would

7822
04:54:23,520 --> 04:54:25,560
have to go all the way to the top and

7823
04:54:25,560 --> 04:54:27,440
then come all the way down in order to

7824
04:54:27,440 --> 04:54:29,120
get out when they have two accesses to

7825
04:54:29,120 --> 04:54:31,760
get out as well. Um but it there's a lot

7826
04:54:31,760 --> 04:54:33,040
of different reasons why we had to

7827
04:54:33,040 --> 04:54:34,920
eliminate the access. One of them was in

7828
04:54:34,920 --> 04:54:37,200
talking to UDOT the the access has to be

7829
04:54:37,200 --> 04:54:40,360
to specific place on Geneva Road and it

7830
04:54:40,360 --> 04:54:42,680
can't converge with the apartment

7831
04:54:42,680 --> 04:54:45,000
complexes that went across the road from

7832
04:54:45,000 --> 04:54:46,960
there as well. So, it's really tricky to

7833
04:54:46,960 --> 04:54:48,880
try to match those accesses with what

7834
04:54:48,880 --> 04:54:51,560
UDOT would like and require for us as

7835
04:54:51,560 --> 04:54:53,160
far as the Geneva Road access with what

7836
04:54:53,160 --> 04:54:55,640
we currently have built.

7837
04:54:55,640 --> 04:54:57,520
Just makes it tricky. I understand your

7838
04:54:57,520 --> 04:55:00,200
concern. I mean, I I I really do. I just

7839
04:55:00,200 --> 04:55:01,760
don't know

7840
04:55:01,760 --> 04:55:03,520
what a good answer is. I'm not trying

7841
04:55:03,520 --> 04:55:03,880
Yeah.

7842
04:55:03,880 --> 04:55:05,200
>> You just you you don't know quite how to

7843
04:55:05,200 --> 04:55:06,920
solve it, but but you understand the the

7844
04:55:06,920 --> 04:55:07,640
concern that

7845
04:55:07,640 --> 04:55:08,320
>> Certainly do.

7846
04:55:08,320 --> 04:55:09,840
>> that that is that you're shifting

7847
04:55:09,840 --> 04:55:13,040
traffic away from uh a previous design

7848
04:55:13,040 --> 04:55:15,640
to a community where

7849
04:55:15,640 --> 04:55:17,040
they might feel vulnerable to that

7850
04:55:17,040 --> 04:55:20,550
traffic as well.

7851
04:55:20,560 --> 04:55:22,720
» Right, thank you. Any other questions?

7852
04:55:22,720 --> 04:55:24,320
Council member Millet.

7853
04:55:24,320 --> 04:55:27,680
>> Yes, so I've been in your facility. I

7854
04:55:27,680 --> 04:55:29,080
was at the very first neighborhood

7855
04:55:29,080 --> 04:55:30,000
meeting.

7856
04:55:30,000 --> 04:55:33,160
When was that? 3 years ago?

7857
04:55:33,160 --> 04:55:35,160
When we did that and you know, I

7858
04:55:35,160 --> 04:55:37,160
remember the neighborhood was very very

7859
04:55:37,160 --> 04:55:41,000
supportive of that first iteration

7860
04:55:41,000 --> 04:55:43,600
that you put there.

7861
04:55:43,600 --> 04:55:46,680
I just want to kind of get the timeline

7862
04:55:46,680 --> 04:55:49,520
in place here. Will you go back to the

7863
04:55:49,520 --> 04:55:50,680
prior the

7864
04:55:50,680 --> 04:55:53,160
current zoning there?

7865
04:55:53,160 --> 04:55:54,560
So

7866
04:55:54,560 --> 04:55:55,880
I'm sorry.

7867
04:55:55,880 --> 04:55:57,440
The PRD.

7868
04:55:57,440 --> 04:55:58,720
Yeah.

7869
04:55:58,720 --> 04:56:00,360
So

7870
04:56:00,360 --> 04:56:03,200
now what I'm remembering from when we

7871
04:56:03,200 --> 04:56:07,230
had this cuz I was on the council then.

7872
04:56:07,240 --> 04:56:10,400
The Geneva Road access was actually

7873
04:56:10,400 --> 04:56:14,120
negotiated back then for the

7874
04:56:14,120 --> 04:56:16,920
Payton Place Payton Landing I can't

7875
04:56:16,920 --> 04:56:17,800
remember what they're called Payton

7876
04:56:17,800 --> 04:56:20,520
Place Payton Crossing.

7877
04:56:20,520 --> 04:56:22,840
Subdivision down below.

7878
04:56:22,840 --> 04:56:25,960
Because there were those concerns of

7879
04:56:25,960 --> 04:56:28,200
down 800 West I think it is or

7880
04:56:28,200 --> 04:56:31,160
something. So that was something that we

7881
04:56:31,160 --> 04:56:36,320
had put in order to approve this development.

7882
04:56:36,320 --> 04:56:37,400
>> Yeah.

7883
04:56:37,400 --> 04:56:40,360
>> And then I remember that you started

7884
04:56:40,360 --> 04:56:41,880
adding on.

7885
04:56:41,880 --> 04:56:43,720
I mean I had heard that you were going

7886
04:56:43,720 --> 04:56:45,880
to have to come back anyway cuz you your

7887
04:56:45,880 --> 04:56:48,840
addition took away some of the

7888
04:56:48,840 --> 04:56:51,480
housing that was going to be built here.

7889
04:56:51,480 --> 04:56:52,240
>> No.

7890
04:56:52,240 --> 04:56:54,120
you can see the addition right

7891
04:56:54,120 --> 04:56:55,960
there. It just extends into the parking

7892
04:56:55,960 --> 04:56:57,400
a little bit more. So it's just the

7893
04:56:57,400 --> 04:57:00,560
shape of what was there is just the

7894
04:57:00,560 --> 04:57:02,160
shape has changed a little bit and it

7895
04:57:02,160 --> 04:57:04,440
comes into the parking. It just affects

7896
04:57:04,440 --> 04:57:06,120
how the Geneva Road access can come in

7897
04:57:06,120 --> 04:57:07,480
but it's just shaped a little bit

7898
04:57:07,480 --> 04:57:09,000
different, but it's still listed there.

7899
04:57:09,000 --> 04:57:10,680
One thing I want to note, maybe this

7900
04:57:10,680 --> 04:57:13,200
will be helpful, is that at the time we

7901
04:57:13,200 --> 04:57:15,400
didn't have that 3 acres of property,

7902
04:57:15,400 --> 04:57:17,000
and it And that owner of that property

7903
04:57:17,000 --> 04:57:18,960
was at that meeting, and he swore to

7904
04:57:18,960 --> 04:57:20,760
everyone he would never sell it, so

7905
04:57:20,760 --> 04:57:22,440
there would never be an access through

7906
04:57:22,440 --> 04:57:25,240
their land. And even if we had a Geneva

7907
04:57:25,240 --> 04:57:27,600
Road access, if we developed the 3

7908
04:57:27,600 --> 04:57:29,480
acres, there would still is my

7909
04:57:29,480 --> 04:57:31,040
understanding that the city would still

7910
04:57:31,040 --> 04:57:34,400
require us to be open to their property.

7911
04:57:34,400 --> 04:57:36,560
So, even with the Geneva Road access,

7912
04:57:36,560 --> 04:57:37,880
there would still be an option for

7913
04:57:37,880 --> 04:57:40,200
Whitestone in our development and others

7914
04:57:40,200 --> 04:57:42,640
to come down their property. Am I wrong?

7915
04:57:42,640 --> 04:57:44,320
>> That's correct. No, but I think it was

7916
04:57:44,320 --> 04:57:46,160
the the the

7917
04:57:46,160 --> 04:57:49,400
it just provides another access.

7918
04:57:49,400 --> 04:57:49,840
>> Sure.

7919
04:57:49,840 --> 04:57:52,080
>> for us to take a lot of traffic off that

7920
04:57:52,080 --> 04:57:53,600
street. So, I take your point. So, I

7921
04:57:53,600 --> 04:57:55,640
guess my question is from cuz I'm kind

7922
04:57:55,640 --> 04:57:57,560
of looking and I'm thinking, well, I I

7923
04:57:57,560 --> 04:57:59,120
felt like that we there was a commitment

7924
04:57:59,120 --> 04:58:01,680
there when we approved this to have a

7925
04:58:01,680 --> 04:58:03,480
Geneva exit.

7926
04:58:03,480 --> 04:58:04,560
>> There was, but there was also a

7927
04:58:04,560 --> 04:58:05,880
commitment that that farmland would

7928
04:58:05,880 --> 04:58:07,480
never be developed.

7929
04:58:07,480 --> 04:58:09,960
>> Yeah. Well, I can't speak to the land

7930
04:58:09,960 --> 04:58:12,280
owner's commitments. Yeah, obviously, he

7931
04:58:12,280 --> 04:58:14,040
didn't keep that commitment. Well, we

7932
04:58:14,040 --> 04:58:15,240
know what happened there, right?

7933
04:58:15,240 --> 04:58:15,640
>> do.

7934
04:58:15,640 --> 04:58:16,600
>> No, that

7935
04:58:16,600 --> 04:58:18,000
he was given a commitment that it would

7936
04:58:18,000 --> 04:58:19,280
be farmland, too, when he sold it to

7937
04:58:19,280 --> 04:58:19,920
that person.

7938
04:58:19,920 --> 04:58:20,840
>> Yeah.

7939
04:58:20,840 --> 04:58:24,040
>> So, yes, lot of problems with

7940
04:58:24,040 --> 04:58:25,000
>> things have changed, so

7941
04:58:25,000 --> 04:58:26,800
>> things aren't written down, right?

7942
04:58:26,800 --> 04:58:29,080
Um I guess my question for you is when

7943
04:58:29,080 --> 04:58:32,880
we're looking at maybe a solution, is um

7944
04:58:32,880 --> 04:58:34,880
I see the parking up there on the left

7945
04:58:34,880 --> 04:58:36,280
corner.

7946
04:58:36,280 --> 04:58:38,320
It Can you kind of flip between the two,

7947
04:58:38,320 --> 04:58:40,960
Jared? Can we Can we move your detention

7948
04:58:40,960 --> 04:58:42,960
basin and stick your parking up there

7949
04:58:42,960 --> 04:58:45,600
and allow to get that access? So, in

7950
04:58:45,600 --> 04:58:48,400
other words, take your street here your

7951
04:58:48,400 --> 04:58:51,560
lower street out to Geneva and bump your

7952
04:58:51,560 --> 04:58:53,240
put some parking over there like it was

7953
04:58:53,240 --> 04:58:55,320
originally planned in that first PRD.

7954
04:58:55,320 --> 04:58:57,240
>> Or I had I

7955
04:58:57,240 --> 04:58:58,520
Potentially.

7956
04:58:58,520 --> 04:59:00,480
I I don't know what that would mean.

7957
04:59:00,480 --> 04:59:02,040
Obviously, the access to the community

7958
04:59:02,040 --> 04:59:03,360
center is what we're looking for in the

7959
04:59:03,360 --> 04:59:05,080
front doors are on that very south end

7960
04:59:05,080 --> 04:59:06,640
of the property. Could that mean that

7961
04:59:06,640 --> 04:59:10,910
they walk around potentially?

7962
04:59:10,920 --> 04:59:12,080
» Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many

7963
04:59:12,080 --> 04:59:13,360
you'd spots you'd be moving there, but

7964
04:59:13,360 --> 04:59:15,800
just an idea because I'm I'm like with

7965
04:59:15,800 --> 04:59:17,800
Quinn or Council member Meachem trying

7966
04:59:17,800 --> 04:59:19,080
to find a balance here.

7967
04:59:19,080 --> 04:59:19,600
>> Sure.

7968
04:59:19,600 --> 04:59:22,600
>> To pull some of that traffic off that

7969
04:59:22,600 --> 04:59:25,920
exit cuz we all know we've now got,

7970
04:59:25,920 --> 04:59:28,000
you know, 100 homes

7971
04:59:28,000 --> 04:59:30,160
exiting to the south.

7972
04:59:30,160 --> 04:59:30,920
Um

7973
04:59:30,920 --> 04:59:32,120
>> With Whitestone project, is that what

7974
04:59:32,120 --> 04:59:32,920
you're referring to?

7975
04:59:32,920 --> 04:59:33,800
>> Yeah.

7976
04:59:33,800 --> 04:59:36,320
>> So, that's kind of the question I and

7977
04:59:36,320 --> 04:59:38,120
then once again, I just want to kind of

7978
04:59:38,120 --> 04:59:40,080
the same thing we talked about before,

7979
04:59:40,080 --> 04:59:42,720
you know, fair housing laws don't allow

7980
04:59:42,720 --> 04:59:44,600
any respector of persons, you know, you

7981
04:59:44,600 --> 04:59:46,320
can't really limit this to autism only

7982
04:59:46,320 --> 04:59:47,520
families, correct?

7983
04:59:47,520 --> 04:59:49,400
>> I and I have said from the beginning

7984
04:59:49,400 --> 04:59:51,320
that like this would never be limited to

7985
04:59:51,320 --> 04:59:53,480
only, but there will be an intentional

7986
04:59:53,480 --> 04:59:56,120
HOA that will say this is an autism

7987
04:59:56,120 --> 04:59:57,720
intentional community much like you

7988
04:59:57,720 --> 05:00:00,160
would in a 55 and older community, um

7989
05:00:00,160 --> 05:00:01,760
but we would hope that the community

7990
05:00:01,760 --> 05:00:03,200
would want to be surrounded by these

7991
05:00:03,200 --> 05:00:05,640
folks and that they they're the access

7992
05:00:05,640 --> 05:00:07,240
to services would bring our families to

7993
05:00:07,240 --> 05:00:09,120
this area. We're we're required by

7994
05:00:09,120 --> 05:00:11,720
federal law to not limit the access to

7995
05:00:11,720 --> 05:00:13,680
where individuals can live and we want

7996
05:00:13,680 --> 05:00:15,680
them to be able to live with executive

7997
05:00:15,680 --> 05:00:16,800
views of the mountains just like

7998
05:00:16,800 --> 05:00:19,440
everybody else should.

7999
05:00:19,440 --> 05:00:21,000
>> Right, thank you. Anybody else have any

8000
05:00:21,000 --> 05:00:22,480
questions

8001
05:00:22,480 --> 05:00:24,320
at this point?

8002
05:00:24,320 --> 05:00:26,480
All right, but Councilmember Meachem.

8003
05:00:26,480 --> 05:00:28,880
>> So, my question isn't on any of the

8004
05:00:28,880 --> 05:00:30,600
stuff that's presented here, but in our

8005
05:00:30,600 --> 05:00:33,000
packet there was, you know, a mock-up of

8006
05:00:33,000 --> 05:00:34,840
the houses and there was a top story

8007
05:00:34,840 --> 05:00:37,080
plus a basement and the basement looked

8008
05:00:37,080 --> 05:00:40,120
like it could be finished out to provide

8009
05:00:40,120 --> 05:00:42,000
kitchen area.

8010
05:00:42,000 --> 05:00:44,680
Would there ever be

8011
05:00:44,680 --> 05:00:47,080
outside access to that basement where it

8012
05:00:47,080 --> 05:00:49,840
could be an accessory dwelling unit?

8013
05:00:49,840 --> 05:00:51,360
>> It's not designed that way, no.

8014
05:00:51,360 --> 05:00:52,680
>> And it's not put that way in the plans.

8015
05:00:52,680 --> 05:00:56,040
It was it's it's not intended

8016
05:00:56,040 --> 05:00:58,000
The answer is no. It's intended to

8017
05:00:58,000 --> 05:01:00,520
prevent that. That's correct.

8018
05:01:00,520 --> 05:01:02,560
>> Our our Sorry, I don't want to I don't

8019
05:01:02,560 --> 05:01:03,800
mean to jump in and interrupt, but our

8020
05:01:03,800 --> 05:01:05,920
codes would prevent it, too. PRDs are

8021
05:01:05,920 --> 05:01:07,400
not allowed to have accessory

8022
05:01:07,400 --> 05:01:09,080
apartments. Thank you.

8023
05:01:09,080 --> 05:01:11,200
>> And since it's a PRD, they couldn't.

8024
05:01:11,200 --> 05:01:12,600
>> All right.

8025
05:01:12,600 --> 05:01:14,440
Thank you.

8026
05:01:14,440 --> 05:01:16,320
All right, this is a This is a public

8027
05:01:16,320 --> 05:01:21,280
hearing. And so, if I would invite those

8028
05:01:21,280 --> 05:01:23,120
members of the public who would like to

8029
05:01:23,120 --> 05:01:24,760
come and speak to this item, if you can

8030
05:01:24,760 --> 05:01:26,920
prepare to do that. And while we're

8031
05:01:26,920 --> 05:01:29,200
doing that, I just want to note that we

8032
05:01:29,200 --> 05:01:34,280
did receive some emails from individuals

8033
05:01:34,280 --> 05:01:39,920
expressing their thoughts on the on the proposed zone change. Did

8034
05:01:39,920 --> 05:01:42,440
we Teresa, do we have video? Do we have

8035
05:01:42,440 --> 05:01:43,960
receive any

8036
05:01:43,960 --> 05:01:45,840
Okay, we received a video How many

8037
05:01:45,840 --> 05:01:49,240
videos? Three. Okay.

8038
05:01:49,240 --> 05:01:51,720
We received three videos from

8039
05:01:51,720 --> 05:01:55,560
individuals who wished to speak at the

8040
05:01:55,560 --> 05:01:57,360
tonight's meeting, but were unable to

8041
05:01:57,360 --> 05:01:59,880
attend. And so, I've made a decision to

8042
05:01:59,880 --> 05:02:03,040
go ahead and do that. But, I will say

8043
05:02:03,040 --> 05:02:05,200
just ask that I have no idea how long

8044
05:02:05,200 --> 05:02:06,960
these videos are, but at 3 minutes, we

8045
05:02:06,960 --> 05:02:08,640
need to stop them.

8046
05:02:08,640 --> 05:02:12,520
So, we'll go ahead and and do those

8047
05:02:12,520 --> 05:02:14,880
three videos right now. And then then

8048
05:02:14,880 --> 05:02:16,440
we'll go ahead and open the public

8049
05:02:16,440 --> 05:02:18,360
hearing to those who are here in the

8050
05:02:18,360 --> 05:02:26,830
audience this evening.

8051
05:02:26,840 --> 05:02:28,360
I did it backwards, didn't I? Should I

8052
05:02:28,360 --> 05:02:32,080
have had them speak first, Teresa?

8053
05:02:32,080 --> 05:02:33,920
Should I have Okay. No, okay, if you're

8054
05:02:33,920 --> 05:03:18,550
going to go ahead and

8055
05:03:18,560 --> 05:03:20,800
» Hello, my name is Bronson Cameron and I

8056
05:03:20,800 --> 05:03:23,880
live at 849 West 1950 South in Orem in

8057
05:03:23,880 --> 05:03:26,080
the Payton's Crossing neighborhood. And

8058
05:03:26,080 --> 05:03:28,000
I'm sending this video to convey my

8059
05:03:28,000 --> 05:03:30,160
concern for the current development

8060
05:03:30,160 --> 05:03:33,360
proposed by the Autism Center and the

8061
05:03:33,360 --> 05:03:35,560
main egress on 800 West, which is right

8062
05:03:35,560 --> 05:03:39,520
through our neighborhood. Um, I am not

8063
05:03:39,520 --> 05:03:41,480
against the development itself, although

8064
05:03:41,480 --> 05:03:43,360
I feel that it's been treated with some

8065
05:03:43,360 --> 05:03:45,520
amount of distrust. When this was

8066
05:03:45,520 --> 05:03:48,040
submitted back in 2023, we were battling

8067
05:03:48,040 --> 05:03:50,240
the gas station that eventually got

8068
05:03:50,240 --> 05:03:51,920
built behind our home.

8069
05:03:51,920 --> 05:03:54,480
And uh, that was very disappointing. My

8070
05:03:54,480 --> 05:03:56,480
wife and I fought that for a long time

8071
05:03:56,480 --> 05:03:58,680
and um, it's a disappointing outcome, so

8072
05:03:58,680 --> 05:04:00,640
we're living with that. And we felt like

8073
05:04:00,640 --> 05:04:03,600
the City Council and um,

8074
05:04:03,600 --> 05:04:06,240
you know, many people in the city didn't

8075
05:04:06,240 --> 05:04:08,360
um, support us at that point. Uh, while

8076
05:04:08,360 --> 05:04:10,240
there were many that were want to give a

8077
05:04:10,240 --> 05:04:11,920
shout out to the people that did. Thank

8078
05:04:11,920 --> 05:04:13,640
you for that. Um, unfortunately it just

8079
05:04:13,640 --> 05:04:15,080
didn't go our way for because of the

8080
05:04:15,080 --> 05:04:16,920
previous council.

8081
05:04:16,920 --> 05:04:19,200
In our mind favoring what we considered

8082
05:04:19,200 --> 05:04:23,160
to be um, profits over people. And that

8083
05:04:23,160 --> 05:04:25,520
uh, again we fought another development

8084
05:04:25,520 --> 05:04:27,000
that's proposed in the Wilkerson Farm

8085
05:04:27,000 --> 05:04:29,360
area. We we know that things need to be

8086
05:04:29,360 --> 05:04:30,960
built. We're not against things being

8087
05:04:30,960 --> 05:04:34,240
built. Um, and the R8 proposed in

8088
05:04:34,240 --> 05:04:36,160
Wilkerson is, you know, fine. That'll be

8089
05:04:36,160 --> 05:04:38,120
okay. Um, rather have it be homes than

8090
05:04:38,120 --> 05:04:40,760
anything else. And R8's great. Um, but

8091
05:04:40,760 --> 05:04:42,800
when this was proposed, uh, the Autism

8092
05:04:42,800 --> 05:04:45,120
Center development was proposed in 2023,

8093
05:04:45,120 --> 05:04:47,600
we were initially huge proponents of it.

8094
05:04:47,600 --> 05:04:49,880
I said at that meeting that I feel like

8095
05:04:49,880 --> 05:04:52,720
a civilization can be judged based upon

8096
05:04:52,720 --> 05:04:54,880
how we treat our um

8097
05:04:54,880 --> 05:04:57,040
you know, our weakest individuals, and I

8098
05:04:57,040 --> 05:04:59,240
still believe that. However, I feel like

8099
05:04:59,240 --> 05:05:00,720
what has happened since is the

8100
05:05:00,720 --> 05:05:02,880
development has changed, the proposed

8101
05:05:02,880 --> 05:05:05,000
development has changed to something

8102
05:05:05,000 --> 05:05:06,600
that I don't agree with.

8103
05:05:06,600 --> 05:05:09,040
And while I feel like my voice still

8104
05:05:09,040 --> 05:05:11,960
probably won't matter because the the

8105
05:05:11,960 --> 05:05:14,320
council or whoever makes these decisions

8106
05:05:14,320 --> 05:05:16,640
will ultimately decide to do whatever

8107
05:05:16,640 --> 05:05:18,000
and won't listen to residents because

8108
05:05:18,000 --> 05:05:20,360
that's my perception over the last

8109
05:05:20,360 --> 05:05:22,560
4 years of living in our home.

8110
05:05:22,560 --> 05:05:25,000
Um I still want to express myself and

8111
05:05:25,000 --> 05:05:26,880
say that I don't think that the current

8112
05:05:26,880 --> 05:05:29,440
proposed development is is good for that

8113
05:05:29,440 --> 05:05:30,400
area.

8114
05:05:30,400 --> 05:05:32,120
The autism center said initially they

8115
05:05:32,120 --> 05:05:34,480
would put an egress on Geneva Road. Uh

8116
05:05:34,480 --> 05:05:36,280
now that is not part of it because they

8117
05:05:36,280 --> 05:05:38,520
want to keep the value of their land.

8118
05:05:38,520 --> 05:05:41,680
I think that is short-sighted and only

8119
05:05:41,680 --> 05:05:43,640
again focused on profits instead of

8120
05:05:43,640 --> 05:05:46,200
people. If the main egress is only

8121
05:05:46,200 --> 05:05:48,000
through 800 West, and I know there's

8122
05:05:48,000 --> 05:05:49,560
another one through a parking lot, very

8123
05:05:49,560 --> 05:05:51,280
few will use that.

8124
05:05:51,280 --> 05:05:53,400
There If the main egress is through 800

8125
05:05:53,400 --> 05:05:55,240
West, that will be a huge detriment to

8126
05:05:55,240 --> 05:05:56,320
our neighborhood where there are many

8127
05:05:56,320 --> 05:05:58,520
kids, and they'll be just stacked with

8128
05:05:58,520 --> 05:06:00,440
traffic and make that

8129
05:06:00,440 --> 05:06:01,600
unsafe.

8130
05:06:01,600 --> 05:06:03,800
I believe that the autism center and we

8131
05:06:03,800 --> 05:06:06,280
need to and they need to build an egress

8132
05:06:06,280 --> 05:06:08,320
on Geneva Road. It's okay if there's one

8133
05:06:08,320 --> 05:06:09,960
on 8th West as well.

8134
05:06:09,960 --> 05:06:11,560
But there needs to be another main one

8135
05:06:11,560 --> 05:06:26,790
on on Geneva, and that is my strong

8136
05:06:26,800 --> 05:06:28,200
» Hi Orem City Council. Thank you for

8137
05:06:28,200 --> 05:06:30,040
taking my video here and for sharing it

8138
05:06:30,040 --> 05:06:31,240
in the

8139
05:06:31,240 --> 05:06:32,480
meeting this evening. I'm sorry that I'm

8140
05:06:32,480 --> 05:06:34,280
not able to attend. I'm out of town for

8141
05:06:34,280 --> 05:06:37,760
work. I'm sending this video to express

8142
05:06:37,760 --> 05:06:41,160
my opposition to rezoning this Spring

8143
05:06:41,160 --> 05:06:44,800
Hollow site to BAC-1 commercial building

8144
05:06:44,800 --> 05:06:47,800
instead of the R-8 residential

8145
05:06:47,800 --> 05:06:49,760
classification that it has right now. I

8146
05:06:49,760 --> 05:06:50,960
don't believe that will be good for our

8147
05:06:50,960 --> 05:06:53,480
community. I don't believe that it will

8148
05:06:53,480 --> 05:06:56,480
stay a residential location. There's a

8149
05:06:56,480 --> 05:06:59,080
note that is in the staff report

8150
05:06:59,080 --> 05:07:00,760
available on the Orem City website that

8151
05:07:00,760 --> 05:07:03,040
says concept plans are required as part

8152
05:07:03,040 --> 05:07:05,800
of a rezone application that are not

8153
05:07:05,800 --> 05:07:08,080
considered binding documents. Any

8154
05:07:08,080 --> 05:07:10,640
structure plans or uses that meet C-1

8155
05:07:10,640 --> 05:07:12,600
requirements will be allowed in this

8156
05:07:12,600 --> 05:07:15,760
location if a C-1 rezone is passed. That

8157
05:07:15,760 --> 05:07:18,000
says to me that yes, right now it might

8158
05:07:18,000 --> 05:07:19,680
be changed to continue to be Spring

8159
05:07:19,680 --> 05:07:23,710
Hollow and it might continue to be an

8160
05:07:23,720 --> 05:07:24,480
» assisted living facility.

8161
05:07:24,480 --> 05:07:27,480
>> Yes, sister gentleman's his

8162
05:07:27,480 --> 05:07:30,400
Yeah, we if you would like or if

8163
05:07:30,400 --> 05:07:31,120
Let's

8164
05:07:31,120 --> 05:07:33,360
okay.

8165
05:07:33,360 --> 05:07:35,160
>> assisted living facility. However, what

8166
05:07:35,160 --> 05:07:37,040
about in 1 year? What about in 5 years?

8167
05:07:37,040 --> 05:07:38,720
It could be changed and anything that

8168
05:07:38,720 --> 05:07:40,840
meets a C-1 commercial building could be

8169
05:07:40,840 --> 05:07:43,000
built there. We do not want businesses

8170
05:07:43,000 --> 05:07:46,120
in our neighborhood and in our in our

8171
05:07:46,120 --> 05:07:49,400
community here. And I don't I don't

8172
05:07:49,400 --> 05:07:52,360
trust that that won't happen. In fewer

8173
05:07:52,360 --> 05:07:53,880
than 10 years since I've lived in this

8174
05:07:53,880 --> 05:07:56,520
neighborhood, this location has been

8175
05:07:56,520 --> 05:07:58,160
rebranded and my assumption is that

8176
05:07:58,160 --> 05:08:00,200
that's because it's been purchased. So,

8177
05:08:00,200 --> 05:08:02,120
as soon as someone else buys this, they

8178
05:08:02,120 --> 05:08:03,320
could tear it down and build whatever

8179
05:08:03,320 --> 05:08:05,520
they want there and we we don't want

8180
05:08:05,520 --> 05:08:07,800
added traffic in

8181
05:08:07,800 --> 05:08:10,600
a foot traffic area like this where the

8182
05:08:10,600 --> 05:08:12,440
kids are walking to school and where

8183
05:08:12,440 --> 05:08:14,280
they are walking to church activities

8184
05:08:14,280 --> 05:08:16,840
throughout the week. And so, changing it

8185
05:08:16,840 --> 05:08:19,840
to a commercial building

8186
05:08:19,840 --> 05:08:21,600
there's no way for I don't I don't have

8187
05:08:21,600 --> 05:08:22,800
confidence that we won't be able to

8188
05:08:22,800 --> 05:08:25,240
enforce that it will stay Spring Hollow

8189
05:08:25,240 --> 05:08:27,600
or assisted living facility.

8190
05:08:27,600 --> 05:08:29,480
Additionally, there were plans that were

8191
05:08:29,480 --> 05:08:31,680
shared with me privately after concerns

8192
05:08:31,680 --> 05:08:35,520
were raised that residents on the uh,

8193
05:08:35,520 --> 05:08:37,600
the that canal um,

8194
05:08:37,600 --> 05:08:39,040
fence line.

8195
05:08:39,040 --> 05:08:40,800
They have their windows frosted so that

8196
05:08:40,800 --> 05:08:42,120
they wouldn't look into our backyard

8197
05:08:42,120 --> 05:08:44,080
where our kids are playing. And I I

8198
05:08:44,080 --> 05:08:46,320
think that's just not a great solution

8199
05:08:46,320 --> 05:08:47,800
for those residents there that already

8200
05:08:47,800 --> 05:08:49,920
are lacking in mobility and now they

8201
05:08:49,920 --> 05:08:51,800
can't even look outside their windows. I

8202
05:08:51,800 --> 05:08:54,520
don't think that it is a practical use

8203
05:08:54,520 --> 05:08:58,560
of of resources. I I think very strongly

8204
05:08:58,560 --> 05:09:01,560
that it will not serve our community

8205
05:09:01,560 --> 05:09:05,880
well to have 56% more beds added when I

8206
05:09:05,880 --> 05:09:08,440
have concerns over the residents that

8207
05:09:08,440 --> 05:09:11,120
live there right now anyways. I

8208
05:09:11,120 --> 05:09:15,960
spend time there throughout the year as a member of the community. I I go in

8209
05:09:15,960 --> 05:09:18,120
there and I try and help and and visit

8210
05:09:18,120 --> 05:09:20,440
with people on a regular basis and I

8211
05:09:20,440 --> 05:09:23,440
don't think that it is run in such a way

8212
05:09:23,440 --> 05:09:25,200
that that would

8213
05:09:25,200 --> 05:09:27,280
benefit the residents there adding that

8214
05:09:27,280 --> 05:09:29,640
many more beds. Not opposed to them

8215
05:09:29,640 --> 05:09:32,640
adding further to the building, but I

8216
05:09:32,640 --> 05:09:35,160
don't want it to be able to look into my

8217
05:09:35,160 --> 05:09:38,920
backyard where my kids are playing and I don't want it to be re-zoned to be a

8218
05:09:38,920 --> 05:09:41,240
commercial structure because the notes

8219
05:09:41,240 --> 05:09:44,240
in the staff report say that any

8220
05:09:44,240 --> 05:09:46,000
building could be built there as long as

8221
05:09:46,000 --> 05:09:48,000
it meets one requirements. Thank you.

8222
05:09:48,000 --> 05:10:05,990
Please vote no.

8223
05:10:06,000 --> 05:10:12,390
» off the lights

8224
05:10:12,400 --> 05:10:28,430
I think I had the

8225
05:10:28,440 --> 05:10:30,870
big

8226
05:10:30,880 --> 05:10:32,280
I just want to let you smile. I know how

8227
05:10:32,280 --> 05:10:38,070
to make it bigger.

8228
05:10:38,080 --> 05:10:40,120
Whatever. Hi, my name is Cindy Damron

8229
05:10:40,120 --> 05:10:43,840
and I live at 849 West 1950 South in

8230
05:10:43,840 --> 05:10:45,440
Orem, Utah.

8231
05:10:45,440 --> 05:10:48,120
Just south of the proposed developments

8232
05:10:48,120 --> 05:10:49,600
that the autism center is putting

8233
05:10:49,600 --> 05:10:51,800
forward. Um, my husband and I are not

8234
05:10:51,800 --> 05:10:54,800
able to be there tonight to in person.

8235
05:10:54,800 --> 05:10:57,160
So, appreciate you spending the time to

8236
05:10:57,160 --> 05:10:59,240
listen to our videos. Um, in some

8237
05:10:59,240 --> 05:11:01,240
respects, it's kind of a blessing to not

8238
05:11:01,240 --> 05:11:02,760
be able to be there tonight because we

8239
05:11:02,760 --> 05:11:07,080
have spent countless hours fighting for

8240
05:11:07,080 --> 05:11:09,440
our home and the safety of those that

8241
05:11:09,440 --> 05:11:11,520
live in our neighborhood and

8242
05:11:11,520 --> 05:11:13,840
uh, just this morning we were woken up

8243
05:11:13,840 --> 05:11:16,280
multiple times over by a car alarm in

8244
05:11:16,280 --> 05:11:19,520
the uh, gas station parking lot that we

8245
05:11:19,520 --> 05:11:21,760
have so

8246
05:11:21,760 --> 05:11:24,160
loved being next door to and fought for

8247
05:11:24,160 --> 05:11:26,920
many, many months and we often feel like

8248
05:11:26,920 --> 05:11:30,040
no matter how much we

8249
05:11:30,040 --> 05:11:32,480
voice our concerns and no matter how

8250
05:11:32,480 --> 05:11:34,320
hard we try to be good neighbors, that

8251
05:11:34,320 --> 05:11:37,360
we ultimately are not as important as

8252
05:11:37,360 --> 05:11:39,160
those that are coming in with bigger

8253
05:11:39,160 --> 05:11:40,760
dollar signs.

8254
05:11:40,760 --> 05:11:42,760
So, in some ways it's kind of a blessing

8255
05:11:42,760 --> 05:11:44,320
to be able to send this in a video. So,

8256
05:11:44,320 --> 05:11:45,640
thank you.

8257
05:11:45,640 --> 05:11:47,120
Um,

8258
05:11:47,120 --> 05:11:50,240
I am extremely concerned about the main

8259
05:11:50,240 --> 05:11:52,480
ingress going into this proposed

8260
05:11:52,480 --> 05:11:56,480
development being on 800 uh, West for a

8261
05:11:56,480 --> 05:11:58,520
number of reasons. One is if you spend

8262
05:11:58,520 --> 05:12:00,040
any amount of time in our neighborhood,

8263
05:12:00,040 --> 05:12:02,360
you will see a number of kids riding

8264
05:12:02,360 --> 05:12:04,640
bikes, driving around little motorized

8265
05:12:04,640 --> 05:12:07,240
cars, young, young kids that have grown

8266
05:12:07,240 --> 05:12:10,000
accustomed to that way of life that I

8267
05:12:10,000 --> 05:12:13,120
worry about their safety if we in like

8268
05:12:13,120 --> 05:12:14,920
if we flood this area with additional

8269
05:12:14,920 --> 05:12:16,200
cars.

8270
05:12:16,200 --> 05:12:18,040
Uh, if you spend any amount of time on

8271
05:12:18,040 --> 05:12:22,240
2000 South, I worry about just what it's

8272
05:12:22,240 --> 05:12:24,680
going to do to this

8273
05:12:24,680 --> 05:12:27,480
intersection that has absolutely nowhere

8274
05:12:27,480 --> 05:12:29,000
near the amount of infrastructure that

8275
05:12:29,000 --> 05:12:30,640
it needs to already support the number

8276
05:12:30,640 --> 05:12:32,280
of cars that are now coming into the gas

8277
05:12:32,280 --> 05:12:33,440
station.

8278
05:12:33,440 --> 05:12:36,880
Um, anytime I go to turn left onto 800

8279
05:12:36,880 --> 05:12:40,160
West off of 2000 South, I have to sit

8280
05:12:40,160 --> 05:12:43,240
and wait for oncoming traffic. And if we

8281
05:12:43,240 --> 05:12:45,080
double, triple the amount of cars that

8282
05:12:45,080 --> 05:12:46,720
are trying to get into this teeny tiny

8283
05:12:46,720 --> 05:12:49,840
road that is barely suitable for the

8284
05:12:49,840 --> 05:12:52,160
number of people who live on that street

8285
05:12:52,160 --> 05:12:55,480
as is, if we add a whole host of new

8286
05:12:55,480 --> 05:12:57,320
development going through that road,

8287
05:12:57,320 --> 05:12:59,280
there's going to be a backlog that

8288
05:12:59,280 --> 05:13:01,440
affects not only 2000 South, but clear

8289
05:13:01,440 --> 05:13:03,040
onto Geneva as people are turning left

8290
05:13:03,040 --> 05:13:04,760
onto 2000 South and then left again onto

8291
05:13:04,760 --> 05:13:07,080
800 West. I don't know that that has

8292
05:13:07,080 --> 05:13:08,360
been thought through. I don't know that

8293
05:13:08,360 --> 05:13:10,400
anybody has spent the time to go down

8294
05:13:10,400 --> 05:13:13,480
and actually look and see how

8295
05:13:13,480 --> 05:13:16,240
overdeveloped we are making this tiny

8296
05:13:16,240 --> 05:13:22,600
corner of Orem, but it's important to us that we maintain a

8297
05:13:22,600 --> 05:13:24,200
quality of life, that we maintain

8298
05:13:24,200 --> 05:13:26,160
safety,

8299
05:13:26,160 --> 05:13:27,960
and that we don't overrun this tiny

8300
05:13:27,960 --> 05:13:29,440
corner. So, thank you so much for

8301
05:13:29,440 --> 05:13:32,070
listening.

8302
05:13:32,080 --> 05:13:33,440
» Right, thank you.

8303
05:13:33,440 --> 05:13:34,640
We'll go ahead and open the public

8304
05:13:34,640 --> 05:13:36,640
hearing for those who are here in the

8305
05:13:36,640 --> 05:13:38,760
council chambers. And if you could, when

8306
05:13:38,760 --> 05:13:41,080
you come up, please just state your name

8307
05:13:41,080 --> 05:13:43,760
for the record. And again, we'd just

8308
05:13:43,760 --> 05:13:46,040
invite you to keep your comments to less

8309
05:13:46,040 --> 05:13:47,720
than 3 minutes. So, we'll go ahead and

8310
05:13:47,720 --> 05:13:53,270
open the public hearing.

8311
05:13:53,280 --> 05:13:55,640
» Uh, Thomas Fong. I live in Payton's

8312
05:13:55,640 --> 05:13:58,320
Crossing also, just 1950. Thank you,

8313
05:13:58,320 --> 05:14:00,240
Mayor and city for

8314
05:14:00,240 --> 05:14:02,920
hearing us and and hopefully listening.

8315
05:14:02,920 --> 05:14:05,440
Regardless, I I wanted to comment first

8316
05:14:05,440 --> 05:14:07,640
on one thing I think needs be corrected.

8317
05:14:07,640 --> 05:14:09,720
Um, um, I don't think minor. It's

8318
05:14:09,720 --> 05:14:11,960
actually only 23 residences that were

8319
05:14:11,960 --> 05:14:13,200
approved.

8320
05:14:13,200 --> 05:14:16,080
25 lots, but two of those are parking.

8321
05:14:16,080 --> 05:14:19,120
So, you're going from 23 to 44.

8322
05:14:19,120 --> 05:14:21,720
Okay? And of course, the number of cars

8323
05:14:21,720 --> 05:14:23,480
that will be included. But, just want to

8324
05:14:23,480 --> 05:14:26,080
limit my comments to the HOA statements

8325
05:14:26,080 --> 05:14:27,960
that were made. Although I know she

8326
05:14:27,960 --> 05:14:30,000
stated that they would try to do HOA

8327
05:14:30,000 --> 05:14:32,840
restrictive covenants. As we all know

8328
05:14:32,840 --> 05:14:35,080
and she admitted herself, federal law

8329
05:14:35,080 --> 05:14:36,840
and state law prohibits certain

8330
05:14:36,840 --> 05:14:38,520
restrictions that would which cannot be

8331
05:14:38,520 --> 05:14:40,560
abided by. They can suggest them that

8332
05:14:40,560 --> 05:14:42,240
they cannot be held to. In fact, could

8333
05:14:42,240 --> 05:14:44,880
be sued if they tried to do so.

8334
05:14:44,880 --> 05:14:46,800
But HOAs themselves

8335
05:14:46,800 --> 05:14:49,320
can be changed. Um I've experienced that

8336
05:14:49,320 --> 05:14:51,960
myself with some property owners in HOA.

8337
05:14:51,960 --> 05:14:53,640
It's been amended two times and is in

8338
05:14:53,640 --> 05:14:55,080
the process of being amended a third

8339
05:14:55,080 --> 05:14:57,600
time. So when they the attempts they

8340
05:14:57,600 --> 05:15:00,720
make can can be changed. Enforcement is

8341
05:15:00,720 --> 05:15:03,280
another issue. If HOAs don't enforce the

8342
05:15:03,280 --> 05:15:05,840
rules, they mean nothing. So I just add

8343
05:15:05,840 --> 05:15:08,160
those as considerations that HOA

8344
05:15:08,160 --> 05:15:10,840
restrictions are limited and can be

8345
05:15:10,840 --> 05:15:14,560
changed at any time. Thank you.

8346
05:15:14,560 --> 05:15:22,670
>> Great. Thank you.

8347
05:15:22,680 --> 05:15:24,800
» I'm Sherry Fong. I also live in Payton

8348
05:15:24,800 --> 05:15:27,640
Crossing. Thank you, Mayor Council

8349
05:15:27,640 --> 05:15:30,640
members, for time and consideration

8350
05:15:30,640 --> 05:15:33,400
you're giving to the matter before us.

8351
05:15:33,400 --> 05:15:35,440
The desire of the school to provide

8352
05:15:35,440 --> 05:15:37,920
housing for special needs community is

8353
05:15:37,920 --> 05:15:40,200
very commendable. But that project

8354
05:15:40,200 --> 05:15:42,360
should not be allowed to place the

8355
05:15:42,360 --> 05:15:43,520
burden

8356
05:15:43,520 --> 05:15:45,200
of the development on the neighboring

8357
05:15:45,200 --> 05:15:47,640
residents who purposely bought their

8358
05:15:47,640 --> 05:15:50,600
homes in a small community to enjoy a

8359
05:15:50,600 --> 05:15:53,480
small town feeling in Orem's Family

8360
05:15:53,480 --> 05:15:57,640
City, USA. We chose that nice rural

8361
05:15:57,640 --> 05:15:58,720
area.

8362
05:15:58,720 --> 05:16:00,360
I'm very concerned about the proposed

8363
05:16:00,360 --> 05:16:02,880
changes from the Farm Haven original

8364
05:16:02,880 --> 05:16:05,960
development which was approved to the

8365
05:16:05,960 --> 05:16:08,400
Westerly Way development which I should

8366
05:16:08,400 --> 05:16:10,360
I feel should not be approved as it was

8367
05:16:10,360 --> 05:16:13,240
presented to the City Council

8368
05:16:13,240 --> 05:16:15,120
uh City Planning Committee.

8369
05:16:15,120 --> 05:16:17,600
Excuse me. After much consideration and

8370
05:16:17,600 --> 05:16:20,600
research, that commission decided to not

8371
05:16:20,600 --> 05:16:23,240
recommend it for approval as it was

8372
05:16:23,240 --> 05:16:25,720
presented, but rather recommended

8373
05:16:25,720 --> 05:16:28,160
approval only with the addition of the

8374
05:16:28,160 --> 05:16:31,920
access road to Geneva put back in. Uh it

8375
05:16:31,920 --> 05:16:34,880
was stated by a city rep that an exit to

8376
05:16:34,880 --> 05:16:38,880
Geneva would make a 1/4 reduction to the

8377
05:16:38,880 --> 05:16:41,280
800 West daily trips that they

8378
05:16:41,280 --> 05:16:43,320
calculated would happen. It would take

8379
05:16:43,320 --> 05:16:45,400
it from 800 trips

8380
05:16:45,400 --> 05:16:49,680
down to 600. And so that makes a

8381
05:16:49,680 --> 05:16:51,200
difference to those of us who live

8382
05:16:51,200 --> 05:16:52,400
there.

8383
05:16:52,400 --> 05:16:55,280
Um the school's plan to have no access

8384
05:16:55,280 --> 05:16:58,560
will add hundreds more cars the day to

8385
05:16:58,560 --> 05:17:00,520
800 West

8386
05:17:00,520 --> 05:17:03,880
with their 44 units and Whitestone's 54

8387
05:17:03,880 --> 05:17:07,360
units and the right-in, right-out only

8388
05:17:07,360 --> 05:17:10,040
is going to force everybody down to 800,

8389
05:17:10,040 --> 05:17:13,120
which is either way. And so it's really

8390
05:17:13,120 --> 05:17:16,000
going to make a big difference

8391
05:17:16,000 --> 05:17:18,760
to the traffic on 800.

8392
05:17:18,760 --> 05:17:21,400
Unfortunately, 200 South has already

8393
05:17:21,400 --> 05:17:23,960
become a major thoroughfare without the

8394
05:17:23,960 --> 05:17:26,120
school's traffic and the two farmland

8395
05:17:26,120 --> 05:17:27,920
develops, the Provo side and the Orem

8396
05:17:27,920 --> 05:17:29,040
side.

8397
05:17:29,040 --> 05:17:32,400
Uh when 2000 has a backup of traffic

8398
05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:35,440
waiting for a train to pass or the red

8399
05:17:35,440 --> 05:17:37,960
light on Geneva to turn green,

8400
05:17:37,960 --> 05:17:40,400
sometimes we sit for 10 minutes trying

8401
05:17:40,400 --> 05:17:42,880
to get out of 800 West, and that's with

8402
05:17:42,880 --> 05:17:45,920
just 19 car uh houses there.

8403
05:17:45,920 --> 05:17:49,560
Uh if we're adding all of those other

8404
05:17:49,560 --> 05:17:54,600
100 on our side, 50 on the Provo side,

8405
05:17:54,600 --> 05:17:56,760
to 2000, it's just going to get worse

8406
05:17:56,760 --> 05:17:58,120
and worse.

8407
05:17:58,120 --> 05:18:01,710
Um

8408
05:18:01,720 --> 05:18:05,920
we need more exits. We need Geneva Road.

8409
05:18:05,920 --> 05:18:09,360
I understand the school's desire to make

8410
05:18:09,360 --> 05:18:11,720
it safe for their students and their

8411
05:18:11,720 --> 05:18:13,200
community.

8412
05:18:13,200 --> 05:18:16,640
But they, and please you, consider the

8413
05:18:16,640 --> 05:18:18,520
safety of our children.

8414
05:18:18,520 --> 05:18:22,200
The school again a lot from the sale of

8415
05:18:22,200 --> 05:18:25,440
the homes, but they're trying to not

8416
05:18:25,440 --> 05:18:26,680
have any of the

8417
05:18:26,680 --> 05:18:28,960
inconvenience of noise pollution,

8418
05:18:28,960 --> 05:18:31,280
congestion, and danger from all the

8419
05:18:31,280 --> 05:18:32,800
added traffic.

8420
05:18:32,800 --> 05:18:34,760
Um

8421
05:18:34,760 --> 05:18:38,000
our 20-plus children in those 19 houses

8422
05:18:38,000 --> 05:18:40,080
need to be protected as well.

8423
05:18:40,080 --> 05:18:41,960
The best solution that we've been able

8424
05:18:41,960 --> 05:18:44,400
to come up with as a family is that the

8425
05:18:44,400 --> 05:18:46,360
exit proposal that was adopted

8426
05:18:46,360 --> 05:18:47,840
originally

8427
05:18:47,840 --> 05:18:51,080
having the road to Geneva be put back

8428
05:18:51,080 --> 05:18:52,080
in.

8429
05:18:52,080 --> 05:18:55,160
This way there are three

8430
05:18:55,160 --> 05:18:57,760
ingress and ingre- you know,

8431
05:18:57,760 --> 05:18:59,480
um

8432
05:18:59,480 --> 05:19:01,320
which makes it safer for the minors and

8433
05:19:01,320 --> 05:19:03,840
those adults, autistic adults, who might

8434
05:19:03,840 --> 05:19:04,760
need

8435
05:19:04,760 --> 05:19:07,400
um additional consideration.

8436
05:19:07,400 --> 05:19:10,080
Most importantly, that section of Geneva

8437
05:19:10,080 --> 05:19:12,080
Road in front of the school will have

8438
05:19:12,080 --> 05:19:14,920
hardly any traffic at all.

8439
05:19:14,920 --> 05:19:17,120
With the implementation implem-

8440
05:19:17,120 --> 05:19:19,240
mentation of the Lakeview Parkway

8441
05:19:19,240 --> 05:19:21,360
connectors, which is going to make that

8442
05:19:21,360 --> 05:19:24,520
local access only. So, they won't have

8443
05:19:24,520 --> 05:19:26,440
any trouble getting out left or right

8444
05:19:26,440 --> 05:19:28,960
when everybody gets on the connector and

8445
05:19:28,960 --> 05:19:31,240
bypasses that section.

8446
05:19:31,240 --> 05:19:33,680
So, it's not going to be

8447
05:19:33,680 --> 05:19:35,440
a big deal for them.

8448
05:19:35,440 --> 05:19:37,040
Uh in the planning commission, the

8449
05:19:37,040 --> 05:19:39,560
academy indicated their their new adult

8450
05:19:39,560 --> 05:19:41,560
building that they built behind is

8451
05:19:41,560 --> 05:19:44,840
larger than was a proposed and approved.

8452
05:19:44,840 --> 05:19:46,760
I don't know if that enlargement was

8453
05:19:46,760 --> 05:19:48,920
approved, if it was authorized, or if

8454
05:19:48,920 --> 05:19:50,520
they just did it

8455
05:19:50,520 --> 05:19:52,560
with an assumption that they were going

8456
05:19:52,560 --> 05:19:54,400
to get approval to not need a road

8457
05:19:54,400 --> 05:19:55,640
there,

8458
05:19:55,640 --> 05:19:58,280
or if it was an effort to discourage an

8459
05:19:58,280 --> 05:20:00,800
exit to Geneva.

8460
05:20:00,800 --> 05:20:03,480
But even if they just took out one

8461
05:20:03,480 --> 05:20:05,960
duplex, one twin home,

8462
05:20:05,960 --> 05:20:08,120
and made parking there, there's plenty

8463
05:20:08,120 --> 05:20:09,880
of room for that road to go back the way

8464
05:20:09,880 --> 05:20:12,400
it was designed to be originally.

8465
05:20:12,400 --> 05:20:14,120
Um either way

8466
05:20:14,120 --> 05:20:16,280
whatever the reasoning was, the planning

8467
05:20:16,280 --> 05:20:18,200
commission uh

8468
05:20:18,200 --> 05:20:19,000
um

8469
05:20:19,000 --> 05:20:22,200
talked about alternative ways

8470
05:20:22,200 --> 05:20:25,200
and they recommended not approving it

8471
05:20:25,200 --> 05:20:28,360
unless the access to Geneva was put back

8472
05:20:28,360 --> 05:20:29,200
in.

8473
05:20:29,200 --> 05:20:31,320
So, I respectfully ask the council to

8474
05:20:31,320 --> 05:20:33,280
maintain the originally approved public

8475
05:20:33,280 --> 05:20:35,640
access to Geneva plan

8476
05:20:35,640 --> 05:20:37,400
to

8477
05:20:37,400 --> 05:20:39,360
prevent all of the

8478
05:20:39,360 --> 05:20:42,440
excessive traffic being routed through

8479
05:20:42,440 --> 05:20:45,120
800 West. Thank you very much.

8480
05:20:45,120 --> 05:20:47,280
>> Thank you.

8481
05:20:47,280 --> 05:20:48,600
All right.

8482
05:20:48,600 --> 05:20:50,920
And something just remind you that we've

8483
05:20:50,920 --> 05:20:54,360
got um we we need to stick to 3 minutes

8484
05:20:54,360 --> 05:20:57,590
on that. So, thank you.

8485
05:20:57,600 --> 05:20:59,800
» I'm John Porter. I live in the same

8486
05:20:59,800 --> 05:21:01,240
neighborhood.

8487
05:21:01,240 --> 05:21:03,040
I will incorporate what my neighbors

8488
05:21:03,040 --> 05:21:05,160
have said about this project, but I

8489
05:21:05,160 --> 05:21:07,800
would actually add one thing.

8490
05:21:07,800 --> 05:21:09,400
I was a trial attorney in Southern

8491
05:21:09,400 --> 05:21:11,840
California for 50 years representing

8492
05:21:11,840 --> 05:21:14,640
fire and police and the municipalities

8493
05:21:14,640 --> 05:21:16,040
that employ them.

8494
05:21:16,040 --> 05:21:17,480
I became very close to those

8495
05:21:17,480 --> 05:21:20,440
professions. I saw those men and women

8496
05:21:20,440 --> 05:21:23,840
show bravery and sacrifice time and time

8497
05:21:23,840 --> 05:21:24,880
again

8498
05:21:24,880 --> 05:21:27,280
often without any concern for their own

8499
05:21:27,280 --> 05:21:28,920
safety.

8500
05:21:28,920 --> 05:21:31,880
When I saw this new plan that has

8501
05:21:31,880 --> 05:21:33,840
extremely limited access to this

8502
05:21:33,840 --> 05:21:35,120
neighborhood

8503
05:21:35,120 --> 05:21:39,040
I thought of certain situations that often arise.

8504
05:21:39,040 --> 05:21:41,920
There could be a res- residential fire,

8505
05:21:41,920 --> 05:21:45,960
vehicle fire, medical aid call,

8506
05:21:45,960 --> 05:21:47,440
heaven forbid there could be criminal

8507
05:21:47,440 --> 05:21:49,240
activity,

8508
05:21:49,240 --> 05:21:51,880
a hostage taken by armed suspect

8509
05:21:51,880 --> 05:21:54,160
barricaded in a home.

8510
05:21:54,160 --> 05:21:56,960
In any of those kinds of situations

8511
05:21:56,960 --> 05:21:59,240
we are going to see police and fire

8512
05:21:59,240 --> 05:22:02,000
arriving at the same time.

8513
05:22:02,000 --> 05:22:04,160
If it's a fire primarily, the police are

8514
05:22:04,160 --> 05:22:06,440
there to back up, but ready to step in

8515
05:22:06,440 --> 05:22:07,960
if they are needed. And just the

8516
05:22:07,960 --> 05:22:10,640
opposite. So, police issue, fire

8517
05:22:10,640 --> 05:22:13,160
develops, fire will be there and able to

8518
05:22:13,160 --> 05:22:15,560
assist.

8519
05:22:15,560 --> 05:22:17,960
You know how big those fire trucks are?

8520
05:22:17,960 --> 05:22:20,240
And you know how many police cars come

8521
05:22:20,240 --> 05:22:22,680
on on an incident like this? And there's

8522
05:22:22,680 --> 05:22:24,400
going to be an ambulance and an incident

8523
05:22:24,400 --> 05:22:25,760
commander and

8524
05:22:25,760 --> 05:22:27,720
who knows who else.

8525
05:22:27,720 --> 05:22:30,800
If you take out a real road going into

8526
05:22:30,800 --> 05:22:33,800
Geneva, you have eliminated a major

8527
05:22:33,800 --> 05:22:36,240
access point to deal with these sort of

8528
05:22:36,240 --> 05:22:37,760
situations.

8529
05:22:37,760 --> 05:22:39,960
You will have placed the people that

8530
05:22:39,960 --> 05:22:42,240
live in that community at danger and you

8531
05:22:42,240 --> 05:22:44,480
will have placed our first responders at

8532
05:22:44,480 --> 05:22:47,280
risk and that's wrong. A plan has been

8533
05:22:47,280 --> 05:22:48,640
approved.

8534
05:22:48,640 --> 05:22:51,560
It has the access to Geneva, which will

8535
05:22:51,560 --> 05:22:54,360
make the situation more safe. And thank

8536
05:22:54,360 --> 05:22:56,080
you for your time.

8537
05:22:56,080 --> 05:23:05,230
>> All right, thank you.

8538
05:23:05,240 --> 05:23:07,280
I'm a little sparky, so my name's Connie

8539
05:23:07,280 --> 05:23:09,880
Porter and I'm 78 and I can see pretty

8540
05:23:09,880 --> 05:23:10,760
well.

8541
05:23:10,760 --> 05:23:13,240
So, uh

8542
05:23:13,240 --> 05:23:17,480
I live in Payton Crossing. My backyard

8543
05:23:17,480 --> 05:23:19,280
looks at the beautiful gas station

8544
05:23:19,280 --> 05:23:21,240
parking lot.

8545
05:23:21,240 --> 05:23:23,600
And we have

8546
05:23:23,600 --> 05:23:27,000
plus 20 little children on our street.

8547
05:23:27,000 --> 05:23:29,960
And they ride electric cars, they ride

8548
05:23:29,960 --> 05:23:34,120
scooters, they ride bicycles, they run

8549
05:23:34,120 --> 05:23:36,480
like children are supposed to do. And if

8550
05:23:36,480 --> 05:23:39,120
you dump

8551
05:23:39,120 --> 05:23:42,720
100 more cars on two on 800, what's

8552
05:23:42,720 --> 05:23:44,880
going to happen to our children? Our

8553
05:23:44,880 --> 05:23:46,480
children are

8554
05:23:46,480 --> 05:23:49,000
as important as any other child.

8555
05:23:49,000 --> 05:23:51,760
And they need the same consideration.

8556
05:23:51,760 --> 05:23:54,560
So, when you look at this,

8557
05:23:54,560 --> 05:23:57,920
it sounds lofty, but who's it lofty for?

8558
05:23:57,920 --> 05:24:01,240
our little kids? Our

8559
05:24:01,240 --> 05:24:02,720
you know, we'd all like to support

8560
05:24:02,720 --> 05:24:06,800
autism, but really we have to protect

8561
05:24:06,800 --> 05:24:09,840
our children. And I think your motto for

8562
05:24:09,840 --> 05:24:13,000
Orem is family-friendly city.

8563
05:24:13,000 --> 05:24:15,640
Or is it developer-friendly city? And I

8564
05:24:15,640 --> 05:24:20,200
say this with a sincere heart.

8565
05:24:20,200 --> 05:24:23,110
Thank you.

8566
05:24:23,120 --> 05:24:25,200
So, anyone else who'd like to speak to

8567
05:24:25,200 --> 05:24:27,080
this issue? Right.

8568
05:24:27,080 --> 05:24:29,040
>> Hi, my name is Ryan McDougall.

8569
05:24:29,040 --> 05:24:35,400
Um I live my my family and I we live on 800 and uh we have seven kids, so I

8570
05:24:35,400 --> 05:24:37,920
feel partially responsible about halfway

8571
05:24:37,920 --> 05:24:39,280
responsible for a lot of the kids

8572
05:24:39,280 --> 05:24:40,600
running around, so apologies to my

8573
05:24:40,600 --> 05:24:42,960
neighbor. Um

8574
05:24:42,960 --> 05:24:46,120
I I too um I have a

8575
05:24:46,120 --> 05:24:48,080
brother-in-law who has autism and and

8576
05:24:48,080 --> 05:24:51,640
he's um just turned to into an adult, so

8577
05:24:51,640 --> 05:24:54,880
I understand, you know, the need. Um my

8578
05:24:54,880 --> 05:24:58,040
concerns are

8579
05:24:58,040 --> 05:24:59,560
what this proposal I I don't have any

8580
05:24:59,560 --> 05:25:01,160
problems with the proposal as it was

8581
05:25:01,160 --> 05:25:03,120
approved previously.

8582
05:25:03,120 --> 05:25:06,000
Um I think my concerns center on the

8583
05:25:06,000 --> 05:25:09,080
fact that um this proposal would create

8584
05:25:09,080 --> 05:25:11,120
what the planners would recognize as an

8585
05:25:11,120 --> 05:25:12,520
inverted

8586
05:25:12,520 --> 05:25:14,680
density pattern, placing the highest

8587
05:25:14,680 --> 05:25:16,840
density housing furthest from the

8588
05:25:16,840 --> 05:25:19,280
arterial access and directly behind an

8589
05:25:19,280 --> 05:25:21,080
established low-density single-family

8590
05:25:21,080 --> 05:25:23,560
neighborhood. That runs contrary to

8591
05:25:23,560 --> 05:25:25,520
standard plan planning practices. Higher

8592
05:25:25,520 --> 05:25:27,280
density usage should

8593
05:25:27,280 --> 05:25:29,680
be located closer to arterial or

8594
05:25:29,680 --> 05:25:31,240
collector roads where infrastructure is

8595
05:25:31,240 --> 05:25:33,080
designed and I think the the problem is

8596
05:25:33,080 --> 05:25:35,480
compounded by the fact that

8597
05:25:35,480 --> 05:25:36,960
the street

8598
05:25:36,960 --> 05:25:38,520
exactly

8599
05:25:38,520 --> 05:25:40,840
to the east of us that goes into the new

8600
05:25:40,840 --> 05:25:42,160
neighborhood as a right in and right

8601
05:25:42,160 --> 05:25:44,480
out. And unfortunately, what that does

8602
05:25:44,480 --> 05:25:48,320
is it makes 800 a shortcut to get to all

8603
05:25:48,320 --> 05:25:49,680
those homes

8604
05:25:49,680 --> 05:25:51,760
that are just to our east.

8605
05:25:51,760 --> 05:25:55,240
Um and so I think there are other ways

8606
05:25:55,240 --> 05:25:58,120
to to to handle this. I think there I

8607
05:25:58,120 --> 05:26:00,840
don't understand maybe why we don't have

8608
05:26:00,840 --> 05:26:03,680
um, a an a sole access on Geneva and

8609
05:26:03,680 --> 05:26:05,360
then maybe we could put a crash gate on

8610
05:26:05,360 --> 05:26:07,520
800 or or there are diff- a lot of

8611
05:26:07,520 --> 05:26:08,680
different ways I think this could be

8612
05:26:08,680 --> 05:26:10,120
handled.

8613
05:26:10,120 --> 05:26:11,040
Um,

8614
05:26:11,040 --> 05:26:13,280
and I would be happy to to to speak with

8615
05:26:13,280 --> 05:26:14,880
the developer and and try and come to

8616
05:26:14,880 --> 05:26:16,880
some type of a solution that would be

8617
05:26:16,880 --> 05:26:19,520
good for everyone. I think greater

8618
05:26:19,520 --> 05:26:22,040
density if if if the traffic were all

8619
05:26:22,040 --> 05:26:23,960
directed toward Geneva, I'd be okay with

8620
05:26:23,960 --> 05:26:26,040
that. I I I think that would be a good a

8621
05:26:26,040 --> 05:26:28,120
good option and I think there are ways

8622
05:26:28,120 --> 05:26:31,640
to do that um, other than just putting

8623
05:26:31,640 --> 05:26:34,160
all the burden on us as as on 800. I

8624
05:26:34,160 --> 05:26:35,480
don't want I don't want to belabor the

8625
05:26:35,480 --> 05:26:36,760
point that my neighbors have made but I

8626
05:26:36,760 --> 05:26:39,760
agree with. And so I would say

8627
05:26:39,760 --> 05:26:40,440
um,

8628
05:26:40,440 --> 05:26:44,880
I think it you know, I don't oppose the development. I supported the

8629
05:26:44,880 --> 05:26:47,680
development on to the to the east of us.

8630
05:26:47,680 --> 05:26:49,440
Um, even the town homes I was okay with

8631
05:26:49,440 --> 05:26:51,640
just because it didn't they weren't

8632
05:26:51,640 --> 05:26:53,760
placing that the access burdens or at

8633
05:26:53,760 --> 05:26:54,920
least I didn't think they were placing

8634
05:26:54,920 --> 05:26:56,520
the access burdens on us. They had two

8635
05:26:56,520 --> 05:26:58,400
accesses but then it turned out to be

8636
05:26:58,400 --> 05:27:00,160
one of those to be a partial access

8637
05:27:00,160 --> 05:27:02,640
which already is going to push a lot of

8638
05:27:02,640 --> 05:27:04,280
the traffic onto us and so I believe

8639
05:27:04,280 --> 05:27:05,880
that there are some some ways that that

8640
05:27:05,880 --> 05:27:09,200
could be mitigated and so I um,

8641
05:27:09,200 --> 05:27:12,640
I I would ask the council to please um,

8642
05:27:12,640 --> 05:27:14,240
not

8643
05:27:14,240 --> 05:27:16,080
recommend that that this proposal be

8644
05:27:16,080 --> 05:27:18,640
approved but that maybe it be sent back

8645
05:27:18,640 --> 05:27:20,560
and and you know, I'd be happy again to

8646
05:27:20,560 --> 05:27:23,120
work and and talk with with people to to

8647
05:27:23,120 --> 05:27:24,720
try and help something that would

8648
05:27:24,720 --> 05:27:26,360
benefit everyone and work for everyone.

8649
05:27:26,360 --> 05:27:28,280
Thank you for your time.

8650
05:27:28,280 --> 05:27:29,960
>> All right, thank you.

8651
05:27:29,960 --> 05:27:31,080
Is there anyone else who would like to

8652
05:27:31,080 --> 05:27:34,040
speak to this this evening?

8653
05:27:34,040 --> 05:27:35,320
Okay.

8654
05:27:35,320 --> 05:27:36,480
Um,

8655
05:27:36,480 --> 05:27:38,920
I would like to give the um, applicant

8656
05:27:38,920 --> 05:27:44,000
the opportunity to um, say anything before I bring it

8657
05:27:44,000 --> 05:27:46,000
back to the council if they would if

8658
05:27:46,000 --> 05:27:47,960
they would like to.

8659
05:27:47,960 --> 05:27:51,040
>> Sorry. I'm sorry that I'm emotional.

8660
05:27:51,040 --> 05:27:53,800
I will just say I'm not a paid lobbyist.

8661
05:27:53,800 --> 05:27:56,680
This is outside of my wheelhouse.

8662
05:27:56,680 --> 05:27:58,600
I think I take

8663
05:27:58,600 --> 05:28:00,760
a real issue with people

8664
05:28:00,760 --> 05:28:03,120
that are um not trusting the entirety of

8665
05:28:03,120 --> 05:28:04,720
what we're trying to do. We can talk

8666
05:28:04,720 --> 05:28:07,480
logistics. We can talk roads, but

8667
05:28:07,480 --> 05:28:08,600
saying that there's money in it for

8668
05:28:08,600 --> 05:28:10,680
someone that we're trying to pay

8669
05:28:10,680 --> 05:28:12,560
developers pockets, that's just not the

8670
05:28:12,560 --> 05:28:14,000
case. We're nonprofit. We don't walk

8671
05:28:14,000 --> 05:28:16,240
away. We help autistic people and that's

8672
05:28:16,240 --> 05:28:18,000
what we're going to do here.

8673
05:28:18,000 --> 05:28:19,280
Trying to say that I have ulterior

8674
05:28:19,280 --> 05:28:21,720
motivations is not the case. I care

8675
05:28:21,720 --> 05:28:23,600
about these neighbors. I've visited with

8676
05:28:23,600 --> 05:28:26,080
them a lot. I do care about creating a

8677
05:28:26,080 --> 05:28:28,240
solution that works for everyone. So,

8678
05:28:28,240 --> 05:28:30,200
the personal attacks are a little bit

8679
05:28:30,200 --> 05:28:31,680
challenging for me.

8680
05:28:31,680 --> 05:28:33,320
And I apologize

8681
05:28:33,320 --> 05:28:35,480
for my emotions.

8682
05:28:35,480 --> 05:28:36,800
Like I said, there have been a lot of

8683
05:28:36,800 --> 05:28:38,880
iterations and the reason we had the

8684
05:28:38,880 --> 05:28:41,000
initial iteration to Geneva Road, and I

8685
05:28:41,000 --> 05:28:45,200
think everyone can agree that iteration has changed a lot because

8686
05:28:45,200 --> 05:28:46,680
of the developments that are going on

8687
05:28:46,680 --> 05:28:48,960
adjacent. It wasn't just us trying to

8688
05:28:48,960 --> 05:28:50,960
flip the script and and pull the wool

8689
05:28:50,960 --> 05:28:53,040
over anybody's eyes. It changed for us,

8690
05:28:53,040 --> 05:28:55,320
too. It totally halted our project. So,

8691
05:28:55,320 --> 05:28:57,080
we're trying to do the best that we can.

8692
05:28:57,080 --> 05:28:59,400
So, I just want uh it to be on the

8693
05:28:59,400 --> 05:29:02,840
record that we are uh very also wanting

8694
05:29:02,840 --> 05:29:04,120
to work with these neighbors. We care

8695
05:29:04,120 --> 05:29:06,360
about their lives. We don't prioritize

8696
05:29:06,360 --> 05:29:08,000
these children that we work with lives

8697
05:29:08,000 --> 05:29:09,400
over their grandchildren's lives or

8698
05:29:09,400 --> 05:29:11,040
their children's lives. We care about

8699
05:29:11,040 --> 05:29:12,960
that. Um and what we're trying to do

8700
05:29:12,960 --> 05:29:15,840
here is out of the integrity of the

8701
05:29:15,840 --> 05:29:18,040
importance of everyone's life and to

8702
05:29:18,040 --> 05:29:19,800
increase the quality of the entire

8703
05:29:19,800 --> 05:29:21,520
community. So, that's all I'll say and

8704
05:29:21,520 --> 05:29:22,880
then I'll sit down.

8705
05:29:22,880 --> 05:29:24,000
>> All right, thank you. I'm going to go

8706
05:29:24,000 --> 05:29:26,120
ahead and close the public hearing and

8707
05:29:26,120 --> 05:29:28,880
bring it back to the council.

8708
05:29:28,880 --> 05:29:31,000
Oh, okay. Uh Council member Millet would

8709
05:29:31,000 --> 05:29:32,840
like to ask you a question if that's if

8710
05:29:32,840 --> 05:29:33,640
that's okay with you.

8711
05:29:33,640 --> 05:29:34,800
>> one thing? I can't keep it together.

8712
05:29:34,800 --> 05:29:35,280
Sorry.

8713
05:29:35,280 --> 05:29:36,080
>> I'm so sorry.

8714
05:29:36,080 --> 05:29:36,480
>> not emotional.

8715
05:29:36,480 --> 05:29:37,720
>> And we do appreciate like I say, I

8716
05:29:37,720 --> 05:29:39,680
visited your facility. It was really fun

8717
05:29:39,680 --> 05:29:41,720
to see all the great stuff. I do have I

8718
05:29:41,720 --> 05:29:45,000
also have um members of my family who

8719
05:29:45,000 --> 05:29:47,400
deal with autism. So, I just and need

8720
05:29:47,400 --> 05:29:49,120
services, so it's so grateful to hear

8721
05:29:49,120 --> 05:29:52,280
that. And congratulations on your awards

8722
05:29:52,280 --> 05:29:54,720
and your notoriety, I guess your your

8723
05:29:54,720 --> 05:29:56,240
you know

8724
05:29:56,240 --> 05:29:58,200
fame or whatever word you want to use.

8725
05:29:58,200 --> 05:30:01,920
Um so, will you my question is kind of

8726
05:30:01,920 --> 05:30:04,040
just a basic, are you building these

8727
05:30:04,040 --> 05:30:06,440
homes? Are you getting this zone change

8728
05:30:06,440 --> 05:30:07,920
and then selling the development for

8729
05:30:07,920 --> 05:30:10,920
someone else to build? Or are you hiring

8730
05:30:10,920 --> 05:30:13,160
a development company? How how is that

8731
05:30:13,160 --> 05:30:13,920
going to work?

8732
05:30:13,920 --> 05:30:15,080
>> That's a really great question.

8733
05:30:15,080 --> 05:30:16,800
Honestly, like we've talked to several

8734
05:30:16,800 --> 05:30:18,480
builders ourselves. We've talked to

8735
05:30:18,480 --> 05:30:21,320
developers ourselves. Um the priority

8736
05:30:21,320 --> 05:30:23,320
for us is the integrity of the project

8737
05:30:23,320 --> 05:30:25,840
and how that happens. We're not certain

8738
05:30:25,840 --> 05:30:29,800
until the anybody that is a builder or a

8739
05:30:29,800 --> 05:30:31,440
developer that wants to do this project

8740
05:30:31,440 --> 05:30:33,400
we're absolutely committed again to the

8741
05:30:33,400 --> 05:30:34,880
integrity of an autism intentional

8742
05:30:34,880 --> 05:30:36,920
community to whatever extent the law

8743
05:30:36,920 --> 05:30:38,760
will allow us as this gentleman said,

8744
05:30:38,760 --> 05:30:41,880
right? Like um but we don't have a set

8745
05:30:41,880 --> 05:30:43,400
plan that way and I'm open to

8746
05:30:43,400 --> 05:30:45,040
discussions about how to do that, but I

8747
05:30:45,040 --> 05:30:47,360
can tell you we're absolutely committed

8748
05:30:47,360 --> 05:30:49,280
and we're not interested in just saying

8749
05:30:49,280 --> 05:30:51,600
like, "Yeah, we're doing this to to

8750
05:30:51,600 --> 05:30:53,200
sneak our way through to grab some money

8751
05:30:53,200 --> 05:30:55,280
from a developer to sell to." That's I I

8752
05:30:55,280 --> 05:30:57,440
understand what the concern might be

8753
05:30:57,440 --> 05:30:58,960
that way. That is not our intention, but

8754
05:30:58,960 --> 05:31:01,120
we don't have a designated developer or

8755
05:31:01,120 --> 05:31:03,520
builder lined up. We're looking at lots

8756
05:31:03,520 --> 05:31:05,400
of them to try to see who can align with

8757
05:31:05,400 --> 05:31:07,000
our mission and our values to complete

8758
05:31:07,000 --> 05:31:10,830
the project successfully.

8759
05:31:10,840 --> 05:31:12,800
» All right, thank you. All right, um

8760
05:31:12,800 --> 05:31:14,200
council member Gail.

8761
05:31:14,200 --> 05:31:15,640
>> Uh I just do have a question. Do you

8762
05:31:15,640 --> 05:31:16,960
have anybody helping you through this

8763
05:31:16,960 --> 05:31:18,760
process like a like a Julie Smith type

8764
05:31:18,760 --> 05:31:20,400
person that can help you negotiate the

8765
05:31:20,400 --> 05:31:21,720
planning and the zoning and the all

8766
05:31:21,720 --> 05:31:22,280
that?

8767
05:31:22,280 --> 05:31:23,840
>> some people that were at that first

8768
05:31:23,840 --> 05:31:26,760
meeting can attest to the fact that we

8769
05:31:26,760 --> 05:31:29,160
had some help initially and and it went

8770
05:31:29,160 --> 05:31:32,440
a little awry and it wasn't true to what

8771
05:31:32,440 --> 05:31:34,560
and and people felt misled by the

8772
05:31:34,560 --> 05:31:36,040
information that was given. That's why

8773
05:31:36,040 --> 05:31:38,680
we decided to handle it ourselves.

8774
05:31:38,680 --> 05:31:41,480
We have contracted with professionals

8775
05:31:41,480 --> 05:31:43,840
and builders and developers, but

8776
05:31:43,840 --> 05:31:47,560
my dad who has a retired business owner

8777
05:31:47,560 --> 05:31:48,920
has put his whole heart and soul into

8778
05:31:48,920 --> 05:31:50,400
this project and he's talking to a lot

8779
05:31:50,400 --> 05:31:52,880
of folks as well and and I'd be happy to

8780
05:31:52,880 --> 05:31:54,520
have him answer any questions, but as

8781
05:31:54,520 --> 05:31:56,600
far as like the communication of what

8782
05:31:56,600 --> 05:31:58,560
this project is,

8783
05:31:58,560 --> 05:32:01,120
we felt it better handled by the honest

8784
05:32:01,120 --> 05:32:02,640
truth right from the horse's mouth

8785
05:32:02,640 --> 05:32:04,360
rather than going through another

8786
05:32:04,360 --> 05:32:07,440
agency. Does that make sense?

8787
05:32:07,440 --> 05:32:09,400
>> Right, thank you.

8788
05:32:09,400 --> 05:32:11,240
Right council,

8789
05:32:11,240 --> 05:32:12,960
let's come back to us. Would you like to

8790
05:32:12,960 --> 05:32:14,560
have a discussion

8791
05:32:14,560 --> 05:32:17,240
on on this item?

8792
05:32:17,240 --> 05:32:20,440
Council member Meacham.

8793
05:32:20,440 --> 05:32:22,400
>> This has been a rich discussion tonight.

8794
05:32:22,400 --> 05:32:25,120
Thanks thanks to everybody who has come

8795
05:32:25,120 --> 05:32:27,000
and sent videos and shared their

8796
05:32:27,000 --> 05:32:28,480
thoughts and really appreciate the

8797
05:32:28,480 --> 05:32:30,080
applicant for

8798
05:32:30,080 --> 05:32:32,120
the work that they're they've been doing

8799
05:32:32,120 --> 05:32:33,160
on this.

8800
05:32:33,160 --> 05:32:35,470
Um

8801
05:32:35,480 --> 05:32:37,040
You know, some of this sounds kind of

8802
05:32:37,040 --> 05:32:38,280
tricky.

8803
05:32:38,280 --> 05:32:41,600
Um but I also I'm just really encouraged

8804
05:32:41,600 --> 05:32:43,680
that there's just so much goodwill here.

8805
05:32:43,680 --> 05:32:44,640
Um

8806
05:32:44,640 --> 05:32:46,160
I'm

8807
05:32:46,160 --> 05:32:47,760
grateful for the residents Payton

8808
05:32:47,760 --> 05:32:50,720
Crossing for thinking about

8809
05:32:50,720 --> 05:32:53,200
what good could come from that from this

8810
05:32:53,200 --> 05:32:54,640
project and that development and the

8811
05:32:54,640 --> 05:32:59,800
support for doing that. I mean you don't have to do that, right? I mean

8812
05:32:59,800 --> 05:33:01,000
you you're on in your own little

8813
05:33:01,000 --> 05:33:03,800
cul-de-sac away from the world and

8814
05:33:03,800 --> 05:33:05,760
being willing to support a development

8815
05:33:05,760 --> 05:33:07,560
to the north of you I think is is a

8816
05:33:07,560 --> 05:33:09,760
great thing and appreciate your

8817
05:33:09,760 --> 05:33:11,200
generosity

8818
05:33:11,200 --> 05:33:12,960
for the applicant there and to the

8819
05:33:12,960 --> 05:33:15,280
applicant you know, appreciate your your

8820
05:33:15,280 --> 05:33:17,200
thoughts in terms of trying to make sure

8821
05:33:17,200 --> 05:33:18,200
that

8822
05:33:18,200 --> 05:33:20,920
you're open to working with the

8823
05:33:20,920 --> 05:33:22,840
neighbors and and understanding their

8824
05:33:22,840 --> 05:33:24,800
concerns and so

8825
05:33:24,800 --> 05:33:26,280
I don't know

8826
05:33:26,280 --> 05:33:28,680
what the technical solution to this

8827
05:33:28,680 --> 05:33:30,520
might be tonight,

8828
05:33:30,520 --> 05:33:31,920
but I'm encouraged by the fact that

8829
05:33:31,920 --> 05:33:34,200
there could be a creative solution here,

8830
05:33:34,200 --> 05:33:35,960
and I think what I've heard is there's a

8831
05:33:35,960 --> 05:33:38,360
lot of support from the neighbors if we

8832
05:33:38,360 --> 05:33:41,680
could find a way to get to Geneva. Um,

8833
05:33:41,680 --> 05:33:44,800
and um, I would love to see

8834
05:33:44,800 --> 05:33:46,600
uh, you come back. I'd love to see this

8835
05:33:46,600 --> 05:33:48,680
get to this get uh, built, and I'd love

8836
05:33:48,680 --> 05:33:51,960
to see you come back in a way that uh,

8837
05:33:51,960 --> 05:33:54,040
satisfied a lot of the the concerns. I I

8838
05:33:54,040 --> 05:33:57,920
spend enough time on uh, 2000 South

8839
05:33:57,920 --> 05:33:59,680
to recognize the concern about turning

8840
05:33:59,680 --> 05:34:02,360
left and uh, you know, again with that

8841
05:34:02,360 --> 05:34:04,080
railroad crossing that helps back things

8842
05:34:04,080 --> 05:34:08,080
up sometimes, and I think the the traffic concerns of the

8843
05:34:08,080 --> 05:34:10,720
neighbors are valid, uh, and uh, they

8844
05:34:10,720 --> 05:34:13,200
need need to be thoughtfully addressed.

8845
05:34:13,200 --> 05:34:16,680
I'm just optimistic that they can be.

8846
05:34:16,680 --> 05:34:18,720
>> Right, thank you, Council member.

8847
05:34:18,720 --> 05:34:21,120
And okay, Council member Milstein.

8848
05:34:21,120 --> 05:34:23,080
>> I agree with Council member Meekam on

8849
05:34:23,080 --> 05:34:25,040
this. Um,

8850
05:34:25,040 --> 05:34:26,520
just because

8851
05:34:26,520 --> 05:34:28,480
the traffic could be handled on 2000

8852
05:34:28,480 --> 05:34:30,520
South and on 8th West doesn't mean that

8853
05:34:30,520 --> 05:34:32,080
it necessarily should, and I think that

8854
05:34:32,080 --> 05:34:33,960
there can be a real win-win here for

8855
05:34:33,960 --> 05:34:36,280
both communities that we can get this

8856
05:34:36,280 --> 05:34:38,960
autism housing project built and ensure

8857
05:34:38,960 --> 05:34:41,880
that Payton's Crossing uh, isn't bearing

8858
05:34:41,880 --> 05:34:43,280
the burden

8859
05:34:43,280 --> 05:34:47,880
of the extra traffic. Um, I'm wondering

8860
05:34:47,880 --> 05:34:50,640
if there is a way for that traffic to be

8861
05:34:50,640 --> 05:34:52,360
routed so there's not that straight shot

8862
05:34:52,360 --> 05:34:54,200
into the Whitestone development, but

8863
05:34:54,200 --> 05:34:56,520
going up and around. I think I'm I'm

8864
05:34:56,520 --> 05:34:58,160
hoping that we can come to some creative

8865
05:34:58,160 --> 05:35:01,080
ways to solve the this problem to meet

8866
05:35:01,080 --> 05:35:03,960
both needs. Um, and I would love to see

8867
05:35:03,960 --> 05:35:06,120
it come back it with a creative solution

8868
05:35:06,120 --> 05:35:08,240
that we can do that, and and let's work

8869
05:35:08,240 --> 05:35:10,840
with you to make that happen.

8870
05:35:10,840 --> 05:35:12,880
>> Right, thank you, Council member Gale.

8871
05:35:12,880 --> 05:35:15,200
>> Um, I also agree with Quinn, uh, Council

8872
05:35:15,200 --> 05:35:17,640
member Meekam and um, Milstein. Um, I

8873
05:35:17,640 --> 05:35:19,400
think it's a great project. I think

8874
05:35:19,400 --> 05:35:20,160
there's a lot of support in the

8875
05:35:20,160 --> 05:35:21,400
community, and I've loved seeing that

8876
05:35:21,400 --> 05:35:22,800
tonight just, you know, from Payton's

8877
05:35:22,800 --> 05:35:24,880
Crossing, but also from us and from you.

8878
05:35:24,880 --> 05:35:26,440
There's a lot of passion around it, and

8879
05:35:26,440 --> 05:35:28,200
I'm 100% convinced that there is a

8880
05:35:28,200 --> 05:35:29,840
solution to this problem if we just work

8881
05:35:29,840 --> 05:35:31,400
out it a little bit more. So, I and I

8882
05:35:31,400 --> 05:35:32,880
encourage you to do that, but that's

8883
05:35:32,880 --> 05:35:34,800
kind of where I sit.

8884
05:35:34,800 --> 05:35:36,440
>> And then just to clarify, just so from

8885
05:35:36,440 --> 05:35:37,440
what I'm hearing from the three of you

8886
05:35:37,440 --> 05:35:39,120
that that you the solution you're

8887
05:35:39,120 --> 05:35:41,240
thinking you we hope to see would be

8888
05:35:41,240 --> 05:35:42,720
something that would have some

8889
05:35:42,720 --> 05:35:44,680
connection to Geneva Road. Is that what

8890
05:35:44,680 --> 05:35:45,280
I'm hearing?

8891
05:35:45,280 --> 05:35:47,160
>> Yeah, just so that that um Payton's

8892
05:35:47,160 --> 05:35:48,680
Crossing doesn't bear the entire burden

8893
05:35:48,680 --> 05:35:50,360
for all the traffic for this autism

8894
05:35:50,360 --> 05:35:51,000
community.

8895
05:35:51,000 --> 05:35:53,600
>> Okay, thank you. Council Member Kilpack.

8896
05:35:53,600 --> 05:35:55,800
>> That I would just say that that's so

8897
05:35:55,800 --> 05:35:58,160
that on record you're you're hearing my

8898
05:35:58,160 --> 05:36:00,560
opinion as well. Love the project, love

8899
05:36:00,560 --> 05:36:01,840
the ideas.

8900
05:36:01,840 --> 05:36:03,880
Um it would be nice to have some form of

8901
05:36:03,880 --> 05:36:05,680
a continued communication those just so

8902
05:36:05,680 --> 05:36:06,720
we can

8903
05:36:06,720 --> 05:36:08,480
mitigate that concern about the traffic

8904
05:36:08,480 --> 05:36:10,360
and the children and so everybody's

8905
05:36:10,360 --> 05:36:12,600
safe. So, I think the concept's perfect

8906
05:36:12,600 --> 05:36:13,880
a little more look at it and I think

8907
05:36:13,880 --> 05:36:15,760
we're in great shape. Thank you.

8908
05:36:15,760 --> 05:36:17,960
>> All right, thank you. Council Member

8909
05:36:17,960 --> 05:36:20,920
Lambson and Council Member Millet.

8910
05:36:20,920 --> 05:36:23,000
>> Well, not not to belabor the point, but

8911
05:36:23,000 --> 05:36:25,400
I I'm in complete agreement. Um

8912
05:36:25,400 --> 05:36:27,760
I I don't I I'm

8913
05:36:27,760 --> 05:36:29,800
inspired by your vision

8914
05:36:29,800 --> 05:36:30,960
and what you're doing and what you're

8915
05:36:30,960 --> 05:36:32,960
building in the and the service that

8916
05:36:32,960 --> 05:36:34,960
you're providing

8917
05:36:34,960 --> 05:36:37,120
uh to a group and to families that are

8918
05:36:37,120 --> 05:36:38,680
sometimes

8919
05:36:38,680 --> 05:36:40,880
neglected or overlooked.

8920
05:36:40,880 --> 05:36:44,040
So, huge applause. Thank you for for all

8921
05:36:44,040 --> 05:36:45,600
that you're doing and again, thank you

8922
05:36:45,600 --> 05:36:47,440
for your vision.

8923
05:36:47,440 --> 05:36:48,560
Um

8924
05:36:48,560 --> 05:36:50,080
and thank you to the neighbors of Payton

8925
05:36:50,080 --> 05:36:54,440
Crossing. Thank you for being here and sharing your voices.

8926
05:36:54,440 --> 05:36:55,800
I don't know that I could feel good

8927
05:36:55,800 --> 05:36:57,680
about directing traffic through that

8928
05:36:57,680 --> 05:36:58,920
neighborhood.

8929
05:36:58,920 --> 05:37:00,120
And

8930
05:37:00,120 --> 05:37:01,760
uh along with my fellow council members

8931
05:37:01,760 --> 05:37:02,960
that have already spoken, I feel

8932
05:37:02,960 --> 05:37:04,720
completely confident that there is a

8933
05:37:04,720 --> 05:37:06,880
solution. There's something that can be

8934
05:37:06,880 --> 05:37:08,040
done.

8935
05:37:08,040 --> 05:37:09,760
Uh this is a win-win for for all

8936
05:37:09,760 --> 05:37:11,120
parties.

8937
05:37:11,120 --> 05:37:12,960
So, thank you.

8938
05:37:12,960 --> 05:37:14,640
>> All right, thank you.

8939
05:37:14,640 --> 05:37:16,120
>> Yeah, so I'm going to echo that, too.

8940
05:37:16,120 --> 05:37:17,560
And you know, actually I'm looking at

8941
05:37:17,560 --> 05:37:20,040
your red lines on the what's in the

8942
05:37:20,040 --> 05:37:22,160
packet here, and it is kind of

8943
05:37:22,160 --> 05:37:24,200
indicating that there are some issues

8944
05:37:24,200 --> 05:37:30,200
with that detention basin that that that um if I'm looking at the notes here

8945
05:37:30,200 --> 05:37:32,040
that um

8946
05:37:32,040 --> 05:37:33,680
you know, that probably will need to be

8947
05:37:33,680 --> 05:37:35,560
moved. It didn't seem like it was going

8948
05:37:35,560 --> 05:37:37,520
to pass our DRC or development review

8949
05:37:37,520 --> 05:37:40,480
commission and committee. And then also

8950
05:37:40,480 --> 05:37:42,320
it says that needs some better fire

8951
05:37:42,320 --> 05:37:44,840
access, which we heard that comment,

8952
05:37:44,840 --> 05:37:47,840
too. So, I I just feel like it's saying

8953
05:37:47,840 --> 05:37:49,880
put a road through because I think that

8954
05:37:49,880 --> 05:37:53,960
that's going to be um if I can just

8955
05:37:53,960 --> 05:37:56,560
uh just common sense say, "I think that

8956
05:37:56,560 --> 05:37:59,440
will make your community safer, too."

8957
05:37:59,440 --> 05:38:02,280
If if you can have access for whoever's

8958
05:38:02,280 --> 05:38:04,320
living there, especially if it is a

8959
05:38:04,320 --> 05:38:06,480
community of families with autistic

8960
05:38:06,480 --> 05:38:07,560
children,

8961
05:38:07,560 --> 05:38:10,040
um there needs there will need to be a

8962
05:38:10,040 --> 05:38:12,840
lot more calm if there is an emergency

8963
05:38:12,840 --> 05:38:15,360
um in that area. There will need to be

8964
05:38:15,360 --> 05:38:17,320
some um

8965
05:38:17,320 --> 05:38:21,760
safe exits and easier access, and I just

8966
05:38:21,760 --> 05:38:23,360
feel like

8967
05:38:23,360 --> 05:38:25,680
that we can make this work. You know,

8968
05:38:25,680 --> 05:38:27,600
the original diagram that had the

8969
05:38:27,600 --> 05:38:30,000
parking up in the top, I don't know like

8970
05:38:30,000 --> 05:38:33,400
you say um it will affect your

8971
05:38:33,400 --> 05:38:35,400
access to your facility you just built

8972
05:38:35,400 --> 05:38:37,600
the the auditorium.

8973
05:38:37,600 --> 05:38:39,520
But um

8974
05:38:39,520 --> 05:38:41,480
I agree with my other council members

8975
05:38:41,480 --> 05:38:44,240
that that that the access to Geneva is

8976
05:38:44,240 --> 05:38:47,000
going to be a uh a a game changer for

8977
05:38:47,000 --> 05:38:47,840
me.

8978
05:38:47,840 --> 05:38:49,840
So, if we can make that happen, I think

8979
05:38:49,840 --> 05:38:52,440
that helps Payton Crossing and

8980
05:38:52,440 --> 05:38:55,560
actually helps your facility, too. So,

8981
05:38:55,560 --> 05:38:56,360
that's my point.

8982
05:38:56,360 --> 05:38:58,400
>> thank you. I have a question for you, if

8983
05:38:58,400 --> 05:39:00,400
you don't mind. I'm the looks like I'm

8984
05:39:00,400 --> 05:39:02,760
the last one to speak here. I

8985
05:39:02,760 --> 05:39:04,200
to because of the time, I'm just going

8986
05:39:04,200 --> 05:39:06,800
to say that I agree with my colleagues.

8987
05:39:06,800 --> 05:39:09,680
And so, I and I express my appreciation

8988
05:39:09,680 --> 05:39:12,480
to you, and and with the type of project

8989
05:39:12,480 --> 05:39:14,160
you do, I'm completely supportive of the

8990
05:39:14,160 --> 05:39:16,720
type of project that that you are

8991
05:39:16,720 --> 05:39:19,040
proposing. and very grateful

8992
05:39:19,040 --> 05:39:20,840
for the willingness of the neighbors,

8993
05:39:20,840 --> 05:39:23,280
everything that I've that I everyone in

8994
05:39:23,280 --> 05:39:25,040
this room and in the emails that I had

8995
05:39:25,040 --> 05:39:27,720
received on this were no one was the

8996
05:39:27,720 --> 05:39:29,280
ones I received were like that no one

8997
05:39:29,280 --> 05:39:31,560
said no. That's it was let's come up

8998
05:39:31,560 --> 05:39:33,840
with a solution. So I have your

8999
05:39:33,840 --> 05:39:37,800
crossroads here as the applicant. Uh

9000
05:39:37,800 --> 05:39:41,160
sounds like the council would like to

9001
05:39:41,160 --> 05:39:45,000
continue this item as you work

9002
05:39:45,000 --> 05:39:47,720
to come up with a way to obtain on your

9003
05:39:47,720 --> 05:39:50,920
property an access to Geneva Road.

9004
05:39:50,920 --> 05:39:52,960
So you have a decision to make. If you

9005
05:39:52,960 --> 05:39:55,080
would like us to go forward

9006
05:39:55,080 --> 05:39:57,320
with the application

9007
05:39:57,320 --> 05:39:58,720
that you have presented to us this

9008
05:39:58,720 --> 05:40:00,960
evening without that access to Geneva

9009
05:40:00,960 --> 05:40:04,600
Road or would you like us to continue

9010
05:40:04,600 --> 05:40:07,720
this to give you time to work on that?

9011
05:40:07,720 --> 05:40:08,760
So

9012
05:40:08,760 --> 05:40:10,160
I know not to put you on the spot, but

9013
05:40:10,160 --> 05:40:12,520
I'm putting you on the spot. So Okay.

9014
05:40:12,520 --> 05:40:14,160
>> No, I appreciate everyone's comments and

9015
05:40:14,160 --> 05:40:17,920
support of everyone included. Um

9016
05:40:17,920 --> 05:40:19,560
I'm I'm

9017
05:40:19,560 --> 05:40:22,080
tired today clearly. Um and this process

9018
05:40:22,080 --> 05:40:24,520
has been tiring for me and it's hard to

9019
05:40:24,520 --> 05:40:26,480
want to

9020
05:40:26,480 --> 05:40:28,440
continue to go down this road over and

9021
05:40:28,440 --> 05:40:30,560
over.

9022
05:40:30,560 --> 05:40:32,600
But we will.

9023
05:40:32,600 --> 05:40:35,160
And I would hope that this council will

9024
05:40:35,160 --> 05:40:37,840
engage outside of these meetings with me

9025
05:40:37,840 --> 05:40:39,840
so that we can talk about it and that

9026
05:40:39,840 --> 05:40:42,040
the city planners will engage with me

9027
05:40:42,040 --> 05:40:43,480
because there's a lot of barriers and

9028
05:40:43,480 --> 05:40:45,240
hoops to jump through to get things

9029
05:40:45,240 --> 05:40:47,680
through a process and it's been very

9030
05:40:47,680 --> 05:40:49,560
difficult to create any sort of

9031
05:40:49,560 --> 05:40:51,600
iterations and then it gets brought

9032
05:40:51,600 --> 05:40:52,920
before committee and it's told to go

9033
05:40:52,920 --> 05:40:54,640
back and told to go back and and it's

9034
05:40:54,640 --> 05:40:55,360
tiring.

9035
05:40:55,360 --> 05:40:55,920
>> Yes.

9036
05:40:55,920 --> 05:40:56,440
>> So

9037
05:40:56,440 --> 05:40:59,040
I I'm committed to this and I will I'd

9038
05:40:59,040 --> 05:41:00,640
be happy to work with people and I hope

9039
05:41:00,640 --> 05:41:02,520
that people would be willing to have

9040
05:41:02,520 --> 05:41:04,640
dialogues with me outside of this this

9041
05:41:04,640 --> 05:41:05,320
venue as well.

9042
05:41:05,320 --> 05:41:07,280
>> No, but I don't believe anyone's trying

9043
05:41:07,280 --> 05:41:08,840
to intentionally exhaust you.

9044
05:41:08,840 --> 05:41:10,520
>> Certainly. I don't think anyone

9045
05:41:10,520 --> 05:41:12,600
>> but I understand that this is a special

9046
05:41:12,600 --> 05:41:14,640
experience that you kind of feel like

9047
05:41:14,640 --> 05:41:16,000
the call we would call it the whirlpool

9048
05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:18,240
cycle that you just keep it going. Yeah,

9049
05:41:18,240 --> 05:41:21,000
that's not the intention. And and again,

9050
05:41:21,000 --> 05:41:22,600
I apologize that people attacked you

9051
05:41:22,600 --> 05:41:25,000
personally this evening. It stings. I

9052
05:41:25,000 --> 05:41:26,360
I've had that for my own personal

9053
05:41:26,360 --> 05:41:29,160
experience, so don't don't worry about

9054
05:41:29,160 --> 05:41:30,560
getting emotional about that.

9055
05:41:30,560 --> 05:41:31,360
>> Thank you.

9056
05:41:31,360 --> 05:41:33,360
>> So, I'm what I'm understanding is that

9057
05:41:33,360 --> 05:41:35,360
you would like us to go ahead and

9058
05:41:35,360 --> 05:41:37,800
perhaps continue this item and continue

9059
05:41:37,800 --> 05:41:39,520
to work it out. So, see what we can do

9060
05:41:39,520 --> 05:41:41,400
to get you Geneva Road get a Geneva Road

9061
05:41:41,400 --> 05:41:42,240
access.

9062
05:41:42,240 --> 05:41:44,360
>> And there's also the expedited

9063
05:41:44,360 --> 05:41:46,160
conversations that would be helpful too,

9064
05:41:46,160 --> 05:41:47,720
so we can move the process along as

9065
05:41:47,720 --> 05:41:47,840
well.

9066
05:41:47,840 --> 05:41:50,080
>> Okay. Council, is that something that

9067
05:41:50,080 --> 05:41:51,800
you would be comfortable doing?

9068
05:41:51,800 --> 05:41:53,920
All right. Would there be a certain

9069
05:41:53,920 --> 05:41:55,600
applica- would there be certain time a

9070
05:41:55,600 --> 05:41:57,640
time certain that we want to contin- or

9071
05:41:57,640 --> 05:42:00,000
just how it how would we do that, uh Mr.

9072
05:42:00,000 --> 05:42:00,440
Earl?

9073
05:42:00,440 --> 05:42:02,320
>> So, if you continue it to a date

9074
05:42:02,320 --> 05:42:03,600
certain, then you won't have to

9075
05:42:03,600 --> 05:42:05,800
re-notice everything. If you just

9076
05:42:05,800 --> 05:42:07,560
continue without a definite date, then

9077
05:42:07,560 --> 05:42:09,280
we'll have to re-no- do the re-noticing.

9078
05:42:09,280 --> 05:42:10,200
>> That's what I thought.

9079
05:42:10,200 --> 05:42:10,920
>> When

9080
05:42:10,920 --> 05:42:11,680
>> So,

9081
05:42:11,680 --> 05:42:13,240
>> the time.

9082
05:42:13,240 --> 05:42:14,520
>> But she's already got some prob- some

9083
05:42:14,520 --> 05:42:16,560
DRC issues.

9084
05:42:16,560 --> 05:42:18,320
They're going to have to redo this. I

9085
05:42:18,320 --> 05:42:19,920
don't could we I don't know how we're

9086
05:42:19,920 --> 05:42:21,680
going to know what date.

9087
05:42:21,680 --> 05:42:22,000
Gary?

9088
05:42:22,000 --> 05:42:24,760
>> Yeah, so maybe

9089
05:42:24,760 --> 05:42:26,280
Gary, do you have thoughts on that? I

9090
05:42:26,280 --> 05:42:27,560
mean, do you do you mind if we have to

9091
05:42:27,560 --> 05:42:28,600
re-notice this?

9092
05:42:28,600 --> 05:42:31,560
>> No, that's not a problem to re-notice.

9093
05:42:31,560 --> 05:42:34,440
Um what we could do is continue without

9094
05:42:34,440 --> 05:42:35,440
a date.

9095
05:42:35,440 --> 05:42:38,360
We're more than happy to work with them.

9096
05:42:38,360 --> 05:42:40,160
Depending on the nature of the project,

9097
05:42:40,160 --> 05:42:42,240
we may want to go back to planning

9098
05:42:42,240 --> 05:42:45,400
commission and then come back here. But

9099
05:42:45,400 --> 05:42:47,560
if we can work something out and get

9100
05:42:47,560 --> 05:42:49,480
that connection, which seems to be the

9101
05:42:49,480 --> 05:42:51,280
big issue,

9102
05:42:51,280 --> 05:42:51,800
>> Yes.

9103
05:42:51,800 --> 05:42:53,720
>> we would just notice it and come back

9104
05:42:53,720 --> 05:42:54,040
here.

9105
05:42:54,040 --> 05:42:55,720
>> Come back here because so, as we

9106
05:42:55,720 --> 05:42:57,520
continue it if we do continue it to a

9107
05:42:57,520 --> 05:43:00,600
date certain and say that to give time

9108
05:43:00,600 --> 05:43:02,800
for that and I guess if if it comes to

9109
05:43:02,800 --> 05:43:04,920
that point and we're not and we're not

9110
05:43:04,920 --> 05:43:08,440
ready yet, we just continue it again.

9111
05:43:08,440 --> 05:43:10,640
Would that work? Could we do re-notice

9112
05:43:10,640 --> 05:43:12,800
everything? I don't want the applicant

9113
05:43:12,800 --> 05:43:14,760
to get caught in the

9114
05:43:14,760 --> 05:43:16,240
>> It It kind of sounds like it might be

9115
05:43:16,240 --> 05:43:18,120
best to continue it without dates

9116
05:43:18,120 --> 05:43:20,160
because yeah, certainly and because it's

9117
05:43:20,160 --> 05:43:22,040
it doesn't seem like it's a problem to

9118
05:43:22,040 --> 05:43:23,720
re-notice this, so.

9119
05:43:23,720 --> 05:43:24,120
>> Okay.

9120
05:43:24,120 --> 05:43:25,360
>> That might be the best course.

9121
05:43:25,360 --> 05:43:27,520
>> Okay, so go ahead and continue it

9122
05:43:27,520 --> 05:43:29,320
indefinitely.

9123
05:43:29,320 --> 05:43:31,280
All right. Um what would what would a

9124
05:43:31,280 --> 05:43:32,920
motion look like

9125
05:43:32,920 --> 05:43:34,720
for for account if a council member were

9126
05:43:34,720 --> 05:43:36,520
to make a motion to that effect?

9127
05:43:36,520 --> 05:43:37,920
>> it would just be a motion to continue

9128
05:43:37,920 --> 05:43:39,360
this item to give the applicant an

9129
05:43:39,360 --> 05:43:41,240
opportunity to go back and see if they

9130
05:43:41,240 --> 05:43:43,760
can rework their plan to find a way to

9131
05:43:43,760 --> 05:43:47,280
provide access connectivity to uh

9132
05:43:47,280 --> 05:43:50,200
Geneva Road and then bring it back.

9133
05:43:50,200 --> 05:43:51,000
>> That motion.

9134
05:43:51,000 --> 05:43:53,080
>> All right, we have that motion um from

9135
05:43:53,080 --> 05:43:54,400
Council Member Millet. Is there a

9136
05:43:54,400 --> 05:43:55,280
second?

9137
05:43:55,280 --> 05:43:56,160
>> I'll second.

9138
05:43:56,160 --> 05:43:57,560
>> All right, thank you, Council Member

9139
05:43:57,560 --> 05:43:58,720
Meacom.

9140
05:43:58,720 --> 05:43:59,800
We have a motion and a second. Is there

9141
05:43:59,800 --> 05:44:02,760
any further discussion before we vote?

9142
05:44:02,760 --> 05:44:05,120
All right, Council Member Meacom.

9143
05:44:05,120 --> 05:44:06,680
>> Do we need to refer Do we need to read

9144
05:44:06,680 --> 05:44:09,800
that? Can we just say uh okay, that's

9145
05:44:09,800 --> 05:44:11,840
>> That's fine. You can just uh adopt what

9146
05:44:11,840 --> 05:44:12,480
I said.

9147
05:44:12,480 --> 05:44:13,160
>> What he said.

9148
05:44:13,160 --> 05:44:14,680
>> want.

9149
05:44:14,680 --> 05:44:17,190
>> Yes, okay.

9150
05:44:17,200 --> 05:44:22,160
>> I.

9151
05:44:22,160 --> 05:44:23,800
>> All right, the motion Oh, sorry. I'm

9152
05:44:23,800 --> 05:44:25,000
sorry. You made the motion, but you

9153
05:44:25,000 --> 05:44:26,960
didn't vote yet. I'm sorry. Yes, motion

9154
05:44:26,960 --> 05:44:29,880
carries. All right, so we'll go ahead

9155
05:44:29,880 --> 05:44:33,240
and that's going to be continued and

9156
05:44:33,240 --> 05:44:35,400
do not fear, my colleagues. After I

9157
05:44:35,400 --> 05:44:36,880
would like to go back and take care of

9158
05:44:36,880 --> 05:44:38,960
item 10.2, then then I would like to

9159
05:44:38,960 --> 05:44:41,720
take a little bio break

9160
05:44:41,720 --> 05:44:42,800
because we're going to we're coming up

9161
05:44:42,800 --> 05:44:44,480
on hour six of the meetings that we've

9162
05:44:44,480 --> 05:44:46,000
had today.

9163
05:44:46,000 --> 05:44:48,760
And so, are we ready to go back to item

9164
05:44:48,760 --> 05:44:50,000
10.2?

9165
05:44:50,000 --> 05:44:51,760
>> So, Mayor, if I can give you an update,

9166
05:44:51,760 --> 05:44:54,480
so I went and revised the development

9167
05:44:54,480 --> 05:44:56,840
agreement to include that exhibit that

9168
05:44:56,840 --> 05:44:59,080
Jared had showed in his presentation

9169
05:44:59,080 --> 05:45:00,520
that showed the elevation of the new

9170
05:45:00,520 --> 05:45:04,400
building at 30th. It's actually 30.5 ft,

9171
05:45:04,400 --> 05:45:07,960
but Um and so that's part of the exhibit

9172
05:45:07,960 --> 05:45:10,560
the agreement that that uh binds them or

9173
05:45:10,560 --> 05:45:13,200
limits them to that that height.

9174
05:45:13,200 --> 05:45:14,600
Um the other thing there was some

9175
05:45:14,600 --> 05:45:16,360
discussion about, you know, language

9176
05:45:16,360 --> 05:45:18,680
regarding level two. I wasn't really

9177
05:45:18,680 --> 05:45:20,080
clear if that was something you wanted

9178
05:45:20,080 --> 05:45:21,600
to include in there.

9179
05:45:21,600 --> 05:45:24,880
Um but I I did one version with that and

9180
05:45:24,880 --> 05:45:26,360
one without, so you can have a

9181
05:45:26,360 --> 05:45:27,840
discussion as to which one

9182
05:45:27,840 --> 05:45:28,400
>> What would you

9183
05:45:28,400 --> 05:45:30,080
>> you want to use.

9184
05:45:30,080 --> 05:45:31,520
>> The parking The parking was the issue.

9185
05:45:31,520 --> 05:45:34,840
Level two would have have less parking

9186
05:45:34,840 --> 05:45:37,400
required. It's assigned parking, excuse

9187
05:45:37,400 --> 05:45:39,320
me, not less parking. Level one would

9188
05:45:39,320 --> 05:45:41,680
have assigned parking, so

9189
05:45:41,680 --> 05:45:42,840
What would Council what would you like

9190
05:45:42,840 --> 05:45:44,080
to do?

9191
05:45:44,080 --> 05:45:45,320
>> I think including the level two

9192
05:45:45,320 --> 05:45:47,280
specification is a good idea.

9193
05:45:47,280 --> 05:45:49,480
>> Okay. It's a It's a consensus.

9194
05:45:49,480 --> 05:45:50,400
>> I I just want to make sure the

9195
05:45:50,400 --> 05:45:51,680
applicants are comfortable with that.

9196
05:45:51,680 --> 05:45:55,310
>> Are you okay with that?

9197
05:45:55,320 --> 05:45:57,400
So you'll do level two care, not level

9198
05:45:57,400 --> 05:45:57,880
one care?

9199
05:45:57,880 --> 05:45:59,320
>> Speaking into the microphone so we have

9200
05:45:59,320 --> 05:46:00,720
it on the record.

9201
05:46:00,720 --> 05:46:01,960
>> And so the question would be if it would

9202
05:46:01,960 --> 05:46:03,440
be all right if as part of the

9203
05:46:03,440 --> 05:46:05,160
development agreement

9204
05:46:05,160 --> 05:46:07,320
if the if the facility was level two

9205
05:46:07,320 --> 05:46:08,440
care.

9206
05:46:08,440 --> 05:46:11,550
>> That'd be fine.

9207
05:46:11,560 --> 05:46:13,360
» All right.

9208
05:46:13,360 --> 05:46:22,470
So with that, are we ready for a motion?

9209
05:46:22,480 --> 05:46:23,680
» So I'll motion. Do I need to say

9210
05:46:23,680 --> 05:46:26,480
anything about the RDA or not the RDA?

9211
05:46:26,480 --> 05:46:28,800
Sorry, development agreement.

9212
05:46:28,800 --> 05:46:30,600
>> Uh yeah, you can just reference that

9213
05:46:30,600 --> 05:46:32,240
it's subject to this development

9214
05:46:32,240 --> 05:46:34,760
agreement that's been signed by both

9215
05:46:34,760 --> 05:46:37,360
city manager and the uh it's actually

9216
05:46:37,360 --> 05:46:39,760
manager of the uh company that owns the

9217
05:46:39,760 --> 05:46:41,680
property.

9218
05:46:41,680 --> 05:46:44,760
>> Okay. I move to approve by ordinance to

9219
05:46:44,760 --> 05:46:47,360
amend Article 22-5-3A

9220
05:46:47,360 --> 05:46:48,960
and the zoning map of the city of Orem

9221
05:46:48,960 --> 05:46:50,200
by changing the zone of the property

9222
05:46:50,200 --> 05:46:52,480
located generally at 92 South 800 East

9223
05:46:52,480 --> 05:46:55,440
from R8 single family residential to C1

9224
05:46:55,440 --> 05:46:57,360
commercial with a development agreement

9225
05:46:57,360 --> 05:46:59,520
limiting the use of the property to

9226
05:46:59,520 --> 05:47:01,600
assisted living facilities as has been

9227
05:47:01,600 --> 05:47:04,560
signed by the city manager and the

9228
05:47:04,560 --> 05:47:06,280
>> By the owner.

9229
05:47:06,280 --> 05:47:07,960
>> Right, thank you Council member Gale. We

9230
05:47:07,960 --> 05:47:10,600
have a motion, is there a second?

9231
05:47:10,600 --> 05:47:11,360
>> Second.

9232
05:47:11,360 --> 05:47:12,880
>> Right, Council member Lambson, there's a

9233
05:47:12,880 --> 05:47:16,000
second. Any more discussion on this?

9234
05:47:16,000 --> 05:47:18,280
Okay, Council member Millett.

9235
05:47:18,280 --> 05:47:19,280
>> Um

9236
05:47:19,280 --> 05:47:20,440
well, it looks like everybody's cleared

9237
05:47:20,440 --> 05:47:22,560
out here, but I just feel I just I just

9238
05:47:22,560 --> 05:47:26,200
want to ask about one thing. Um

9239
05:47:26,200 --> 05:47:28,720
So, this is a legal non-conforming use

9240
05:47:28,720 --> 05:47:30,280
right now.

9241
05:47:30,280 --> 05:47:32,320
And my

9242
05:47:32,320 --> 05:47:35,520
what experience thus far is the goal of

9243
05:47:35,520 --> 05:47:36,160
uh

9244
05:47:36,160 --> 05:47:37,880
planning

9245
05:47:37,880 --> 05:47:40,560
is to when the opportunity presents

9246
05:47:40,560 --> 05:47:41,800
itself

9247
05:47:41,800 --> 05:47:46,400
to bring things within conforming use.

9248
05:47:46,400 --> 05:47:46,800
>> Mhm.

9249
05:47:46,800 --> 05:47:50,520
>> So, I'm feeling conflicted here.

9250
05:47:50,520 --> 05:47:51,960
Because

9251
05:47:51,960 --> 05:47:53,960
the there's two things that are making

9252
05:47:53,960 --> 05:47:56,640
this non-conforming. The height, cuz

9253
05:47:56,640 --> 05:47:58,160
we're now adding a second story, am I

9254
05:47:58,160 --> 05:48:00,600
correct there? The The height is the

9255
05:48:00,600 --> 05:48:02,560
same as the other buildings.

9256
05:48:02,560 --> 05:48:05,320
>> It's the It's It would conform to the

9257
05:48:05,320 --> 05:48:07,800
RA8 for the height, so it's It's not The

9258
05:48:07,800 --> 05:48:10,720
structure itself is not non-conforming.

9259
05:48:10,720 --> 05:48:12,760
It's the use The use.

9260
05:48:12,760 --> 05:48:15,120
>> But, weren't the setbacks changed? I

9261
05:48:15,120 --> 05:48:16,640
read that somewhere.

9262
05:48:16,640 --> 05:48:19,480
>> in the in the C1 zone are a little

9263
05:48:19,480 --> 05:48:21,200
different, but it would still meet all

9264
05:48:21,200 --> 05:48:22,520
of those.

9265
05:48:22,520 --> 05:48:22,720
Um

9266
05:48:22,720 --> 05:48:24,440
>> For C1, but not for RA8.

9267
05:48:24,440 --> 05:48:25,440
>> But, it's not non-conforming to the

9268
05:48:25,440 --> 05:48:27,160
setbacks because it conforms to the

9269
05:48:27,160 --> 05:48:28,760
conditional use permit that was approved

9270
05:48:28,760 --> 05:48:30,080
originally in 1997.

9271
05:48:30,080 --> 05:48:30,720
>> Right.

9272
05:48:30,720 --> 05:48:32,880
>> So but it was a conditional use I guess

9273
05:48:32,880 --> 05:48:35,160
my my issue is here.

9274
05:48:35,160 --> 05:48:36,720
Um

9275
05:48:36,720 --> 05:48:38,880
I just always was taught that when you

9276
05:48:38,880 --> 05:48:40,840
have the opportunity as a city to bring

9277
05:48:40,840 --> 05:48:43,000
something into a conforming use because

9278
05:48:43,000 --> 05:48:44,640
there is some revitalization, some

9279
05:48:44,640 --> 05:48:48,560
changes, some something to that property

9280
05:48:48,560 --> 05:48:51,640
that's the natural path to follow um to

9281
05:48:51,640 --> 05:48:54,640
try to have good zoning principles

9282
05:48:54,640 --> 05:48:55,480
throughout your city.

9283
05:48:55,480 --> 05:48:55,720
>> Sure.

9284
05:48:55,720 --> 05:48:57,560
>> Would you speak to that? Help me feel

9285
05:48:57,560 --> 05:48:58,080
about that.

9286
05:48:58,080 --> 05:48:59,480
>> it's it's a really good it's a really

9287
05:48:59,480 --> 05:49:03,520
good point. The difference here might be if if I

9288
05:49:03,520 --> 05:49:05,160
could articulate it. The difference here

9289
05:49:05,160 --> 05:49:08,040
might be that the the use actually

9290
05:49:08,040 --> 05:49:09,760
it what's changed has been what we allow

9291
05:49:09,760 --> 05:49:12,320
in the R8 zone. So, it's non-conforming

9292
05:49:12,320 --> 05:49:13,840
that that's changed and and you're

9293
05:49:13,840 --> 05:49:15,600
right. I

9294
05:49:15,600 --> 05:49:17,600
Um, it's kind of the long game. Zoning

9295
05:49:17,600 --> 05:49:19,640
sometimes selects things for extinction

9296
05:49:19,640 --> 05:49:22,040
over the slow course of history. This

9297
05:49:22,040 --> 05:49:24,320
would counter that, but that's the

9298
05:49:24,320 --> 05:49:25,920
weight you have to

9299
05:49:25,920 --> 05:49:27,120
that's what you have to consider is is

9300
05:49:27,120 --> 05:49:28,760
this still residential enough? Because

9301
05:49:28,760 --> 05:49:32,240
we do we do allow some facilities in

9302
05:49:32,240 --> 05:49:33,640
residential zoning that are assisted

9303
05:49:33,640 --> 05:49:34,480
living.

9304
05:49:34,480 --> 05:49:37,000
Just not ones that are this large. So,

9305
05:49:37,000 --> 05:49:38,400
that's really the that's really the

9306
05:49:38,400 --> 05:49:39,080
question.

9307
05:49:39,080 --> 05:49:40,760
>> Okay. Thank you.

9308
05:49:40,760 --> 05:49:42,960
>> All right. Any other Okay, Councilmember

9309
05:49:42,960 --> 05:49:43,760
Milstein.

9310
05:49:43,760 --> 05:49:47,080
>> So, I have similar con- conflicting

9311
05:49:47,080 --> 05:49:51,480
com- our feelings in about this. Um,

9312
05:49:51,480 --> 05:49:52,760
why

9313
05:49:52,760 --> 05:49:54,920
is a PD not more appropriate? Because

9314
05:49:54,920 --> 05:49:56,960
like what Councilmember Millett was

9315
05:49:56,960 --> 05:49:58,480
saying,

9316
05:49:58,480 --> 05:50:00,800
changing the zoning, it's it's the

9317
05:50:00,800 --> 05:50:02,520
camel's nose coming under the tent in

9318
05:50:02,520 --> 05:50:03,920
which

9319
05:50:03,920 --> 05:50:05,760
what's to stop that zoning from

9320
05:50:05,760 --> 05:50:08,680
spreading around this residential area

9321
05:50:08,680 --> 05:50:10,400
in the future

9322
05:50:10,400 --> 05:50:12,160
as things happen. You've got farmland on

9323
05:50:12,160 --> 05:50:14,400
the other side of 80th East.

9324
05:50:14,400 --> 05:50:16,360
And you've got all residential around

9325
05:50:16,360 --> 05:50:18,280
there.

9326
05:50:18,280 --> 05:50:20,080
And putting commercial in the middle of

9327
05:50:20,080 --> 05:50:22,440
there makes me very uncomfortable.

9328
05:50:22,440 --> 05:50:25,440
>> Sure. Um, I I think

9329
05:50:25,440 --> 05:50:27,880
in in some ways it's not it's not

9330
05:50:27,880 --> 05:50:29,840
PD zoning wouldn't be less appropriate.

9331
05:50:29,840 --> 05:50:32,960
It's just it's not necessarily any

9332
05:50:32,960 --> 05:50:35,040
different because a PD zone, let's say

9333
05:50:35,040 --> 05:50:36,920
that they did a PD zone that

9334
05:50:36,920 --> 05:50:38,920
would do exactly what we're proposing or

9335
05:50:38,920 --> 05:50:40,640
what's been proposed with

9336
05:50:40,640 --> 05:50:41,840
the C1 zone and the development

9337
05:50:41,840 --> 05:50:43,240
agreement. It would be a version of

9338
05:50:43,240 --> 05:50:44,840
that. And any zoning that gets put in

9339
05:50:44,840 --> 05:50:47,600
place can be petitioned for change at

9340
05:50:47,600 --> 05:50:49,040
some point. There

9341
05:50:49,040 --> 05:50:53,120
nothing is ever set forever.

9342
05:50:53,120 --> 05:50:55,080
Um the development agreement tying to

9343
05:50:55,080 --> 05:50:56,320
this

9344
05:50:56,320 --> 05:50:58,480
zoning you could for example, let's say

9345
05:50:58,480 --> 05:51:00,720
that the PD zone we did a PD 50 I think

9346
05:51:00,720 --> 05:51:02,280
we're at 56 now.

9347
05:51:02,280 --> 05:51:04,600
We propose a PD 56 zone instead and that

9348
05:51:04,600 --> 05:51:07,160
PD 56 allows

9349
05:51:07,160 --> 05:51:08,800
assisted living facilities for elderly

9350
05:51:08,800 --> 05:51:11,680
persons level two or level two scare

9351
05:51:11,680 --> 05:51:13,560
etc. etc. All those same things.

9352
05:51:13,560 --> 05:51:15,120
Somebody could come in in a year and a

9353
05:51:15,120 --> 05:51:17,120
half or two years or 10 years when the

9354
05:51:17,120 --> 05:51:19,360
property changes hands and ask to amend

9355
05:51:19,360 --> 05:51:22,720
that PD 56 zone to be different than and

9356
05:51:22,720 --> 05:51:24,320
allow different uses.

9357
05:51:24,320 --> 05:51:26,400
Um that happens. So it's not really it's

9358
05:51:26,400 --> 05:51:29,760
not really any different. Um

9359
05:51:29,760 --> 05:51:31,080
it's not really any different or more

9360
05:51:31,080 --> 05:51:32,280
appropriate or less appropriate. It does

9361
05:51:32,280 --> 05:51:33,600
the same things.

9362
05:51:33,600 --> 05:51:35,920
>> I do think the public perception though

9363
05:51:35,920 --> 05:51:37,040
is different.

9364
05:51:37,040 --> 05:51:37,360
>> Yeah.

9365
05:51:37,360 --> 05:51:39,480
>> With it being labeled commercial and

9366
05:51:39,480 --> 05:51:40,920
that's where

9367
05:51:40,920 --> 05:51:43,160
my mind is still trying to

9368
05:51:43,160 --> 05:51:44,000
wrap around that.

9369
05:51:44,000 --> 05:51:45,680
>> I guess that our thinking on it was just

9370
05:51:45,680 --> 05:51:48,560
that that we have the zoning

9371
05:51:48,560 --> 05:51:52,600
that allows it. So the applicants

9372
05:51:52,600 --> 05:51:55,120
just applied for C1 because that's

9373
05:51:55,120 --> 05:51:56,880
they're already in

9374
05:51:56,880 --> 05:51:58,480
that's already allowed by C1 zoning and

9375
05:51:58,480 --> 05:52:00,280
so it wouldn't be inappropriate to do

9376
05:52:00,280 --> 05:52:02,000
it. It would just be a different method.

9377
05:52:02,000 --> 05:52:04,840
>> Jared, maybe one clarification.

9378
05:52:04,840 --> 05:52:07,520
PD zone is not PRD.

9379
05:52:07,520 --> 05:52:08,160
>> Oh, true.

9380
05:52:08,160 --> 05:52:11,120
>> Right? And so there are commercial uses

9381
05:52:11,120 --> 05:52:13,040
in PD zones.

9382
05:52:13,040 --> 05:52:13,120
>> Sure.

9383
05:52:13,120 --> 05:52:15,960
>> Mhm. And residential uses or mixed uses

9384
05:52:15,960 --> 05:52:18,760
in other PD zones, right? Maybe you

9385
05:52:18,760 --> 05:52:21,920
could summarize uh that clarification.

9386
05:52:21,920 --> 05:52:23,480
>> That's a good that's a good point,

9387
05:52:23,480 --> 05:52:25,720
Brent. Thanks. So PD zones and there are

9388
05:52:25,720 --> 05:52:27,560
PRD zones, planned residential

9389
05:52:27,560 --> 05:52:29,320
developments, PD zones, planned

9390
05:52:29,320 --> 05:52:30,680
development zones and then those can

9391
05:52:30,680 --> 05:52:33,720
include commercial uses, mixed uses, uh

9392
05:52:33,720 --> 05:52:35,280
residential uses that are different than

9393
05:52:35,280 --> 05:52:38,000
the residential zones that we have. Um

9394
05:52:38,000 --> 05:52:39,920
those are all possible.

9395
05:52:39,920 --> 05:52:42,160
So there could be a PD zone

9396
05:52:42,160 --> 05:52:43,640
um proposed instead.

9397
05:52:43,640 --> 05:52:44,120
>> Could it be

9398
05:52:44,120 --> 05:52:45,600
>> Can I just point out too that

9399
05:52:45,600 --> 05:52:47,320
unfortunately or fortunately, depending

9400
05:52:47,320 --> 05:52:48,920
how you look at it, our ordinance

9401
05:52:48,920 --> 05:52:51,400
requires 3 acres to do a PD zone?

9402
05:52:51,400 --> 05:52:54,960
>> Yeah, but could it be a PRD with a

9403
05:52:54,960 --> 05:52:55,360
>> No.

9404
05:52:55,360 --> 05:52:56,880
>> This wouldn't be allowed in a PRD zone.

9405
05:52:56,880 --> 05:52:58,480
It's different kind of multi-family

9406
05:52:58,480 --> 05:52:58,720
residential.

9407
05:52:58,720 --> 05:53:00,200
>> And it is residential, so I'm just

9408
05:53:00,200 --> 05:53:01,480
wondering if there's a way to allow

9409
05:53:01,480 --> 05:53:03,400
that. Why aren't we using the same that

9410
05:53:03,400 --> 05:53:07,320
was used before? The same um

9411
05:53:07,320 --> 05:53:08,000
conditional use.

9412
05:53:08,000 --> 05:53:10,360
>> Back back in 1997,

9413
05:53:10,360 --> 05:53:12,400
a an assisted living facility of this

9414
05:53:12,400 --> 05:53:14,160
size, and this one was approved at 32

9415
05:53:14,160 --> 05:53:16,240
beds, it was permitted as a conditional

9416
05:53:16,240 --> 05:53:18,240
use in an R8 zone.

9417
05:53:18,240 --> 05:53:20,480
It's no longer allowed as a conditional

9418
05:53:20,480 --> 05:53:22,320
use in an R8 zone. So,

9419
05:53:22,320 --> 05:53:24,840
that mechanism that existed back in 1997

9420
05:53:24,840 --> 05:53:25,880
no longer

9421
05:53:25,880 --> 05:53:27,200
>> And I don't think we That was one of my

9422
05:53:27,200 --> 05:53:28,720
reasons why I'm going to vote for this,

9423
05:53:28,720 --> 05:53:32,120
is that I don't think we don't want more

9424
05:53:32,120 --> 05:53:33,880
conditional use permits in our city,

9425
05:53:33,880 --> 05:53:35,840
because I think it brings thing bring

9426
05:53:35,840 --> 05:53:38,320
zoning into conformity. Conditional use

9427
05:53:38,320 --> 05:53:40,400
permit means, yes, you will approve

9428
05:53:40,400 --> 05:53:41,320
this.

9429
05:53:41,320 --> 05:53:41,560
>> Yeah.

9430
05:53:41,560 --> 05:53:43,400
>> And that there are enough conditions

9431
05:53:43,400 --> 05:53:46,280
that are possible in the universe

9432
05:53:46,280 --> 05:53:49,480
to to allow this. I think the C1 zone

9433
05:53:49,480 --> 05:53:51,800
that we've done makes sense because it

9434
05:53:51,800 --> 05:53:53,720
does allow it. It removes that

9435
05:53:53,720 --> 05:53:55,640
conditional use permit off the books, as

9436
05:53:55,640 --> 05:53:57,280
I understand it, because now it's got

9437
05:53:57,280 --> 05:54:00,480
this C1 zone. Cuz I'll just say C

9438
05:54:00,480 --> 05:54:02,000
conditional use permits are nothing but

9439
05:54:02,000 --> 05:54:03,080
trouble.

9440
05:54:03,080 --> 05:54:04,200
So.

9441
05:54:04,200 --> 05:54:06,000
>> Yeah, that that's absolutely true.

9442
05:54:06,000 --> 05:54:06,800
>> Yeah. Yeah.

9443
05:54:06,800 --> 05:54:11,520
>> There there's been some change in the in the the law regarding conditional use

9444
05:54:11,520 --> 05:54:14,360
permit since 1997, which made it really

9445
05:54:14,360 --> 05:54:16,520
unattractive, as the mayor's indicated,

9446
05:54:16,520 --> 05:54:18,360
to have them as part of your ordinance.

9447
05:54:18,360 --> 05:54:20,360
And so, we we made a concerted effort to

9448
05:54:20,360 --> 05:54:22,120
get rid of them to the extent we could

9449
05:54:22,120 --> 05:54:23,400
out of our ordinance.

9450
05:54:23,400 --> 05:54:24,840
So.

9451
05:54:24,840 --> 05:54:26,360
>> Yes, I'm sorry. I I did a big

9452
05:54:26,360 --> 05:54:28,520
interruption. Go ahead.

9453
05:54:28,520 --> 05:54:30,400
Um but I'm going to go ahead, and this

9454
05:54:30,400 --> 05:54:32,600
is why I'm going to vote for it, because

9455
05:54:32,600 --> 05:54:35,280
I know that um Mr. Dickerson said, and

9456
05:54:35,280 --> 05:54:37,640
he's right, right, a C1 zone, you get a

9457
05:54:37,640 --> 05:54:39,440
bundle of sticks. Each of stick is a use

9458
05:54:39,440 --> 05:54:41,040
or a right, but the development

9459
05:54:41,040 --> 05:54:43,520
agreement only gives them one stick.

9460
05:54:43,520 --> 05:54:46,560
And we're not talking about apartments

9461
05:54:46,560 --> 05:54:47,520
as far as what we're talking about

9462
05:54:47,520 --> 05:54:50,520
high-density apartments or it like in

9463
05:54:50,520 --> 05:54:51,800
the traditional sense, which I would

9464
05:54:51,800 --> 05:54:53,600
never approve there.

9465
05:54:53,600 --> 05:54:54,680
But

9466
05:54:54,680 --> 05:54:55,720
uh the fact is this development

9467
05:54:55,720 --> 05:54:57,480
agreement does not have any other uses

9468
05:54:57,480 --> 05:54:59,360
besides that, and it's bound to the

9469
05:54:59,360 --> 05:55:00,800
property

9470
05:55:00,800 --> 05:55:06,840
rather than to an ownership. It it's so that sticks with the property. And the

9471
05:55:06,840 --> 05:55:08,360
one thing that was very important to me

9472
05:55:08,360 --> 05:55:10,280
is that the height is the same as the RA

9473
05:55:10,280 --> 05:55:12,200
zone. Cuz I didn't want like the

9474
05:55:12,200 --> 05:55:14,280
gentleman said, I wouldn't want a 40

9475
05:55:14,280 --> 05:55:17,000
5-ft or 48-ft. There's no way.

9476
05:55:17,000 --> 05:55:19,680
And so, having this this 30-ft height

9477
05:55:19,680 --> 05:55:22,600
bound by by a written contract, uh it

9478
05:55:22,600 --> 05:55:24,800
was was appealing to me. And then also

9479
05:55:24,800 --> 05:55:28,120
eliminating a conditional use.

9480
05:55:28,120 --> 05:55:30,800
Any other discussion?

9481
05:55:30,800 --> 05:55:32,520
Okay, we've got a motion and a second,

9482
05:55:32,520 --> 05:55:34,560
and I guess it's my turn to go first. A

9483
05:55:34,560 --> 05:55:38,480
motion to approve, and I vote I.

9484
05:55:38,480 --> 05:55:41,800
>> And I second it, and I I.

9485
05:55:41,800 --> 05:55:43,080
>> Nay.

9486
05:55:43,080 --> 05:55:45,840
>> I.

9487
05:55:45,840 --> 05:55:47,320
>> Nay.

9488
05:55:47,320 --> 05:55:48,200
>> I.

9489
05:55:48,200 --> 05:55:49,880
>> All right, the motion carries five to

9490
05:55:49,880 --> 05:55:51,600
two. Thank you.

9491
05:55:51,600 --> 05:55:52,440
>> Thank you all.

9492
05:55:52,440 --> 05:55:54,120
>> Okay, council,

9493
05:55:54,120 --> 05:55:56,400
what time do you want to reconvene here?

9494
05:55:56,400 --> 05:55:59,200
What do you need?

9495
05:55:59,200 --> 05:56:01,720
5 minutes? Okay.

9496
05:56:01,720 --> 05:56:05,680
10 after? Okay, 10 after.

9497
05:56:05,680 --> 05:56:07,600
Gives Pete time to run to Taco Bell or

9498
05:56:07,600 --> 06:00:24,750
whatever.

9499
06:00:24,760 --> 06:05:10,750
» Mhm.

9500
06:05:10,760 --> 06:05:11,960
» Oops.

9501
06:05:11,960 --> 06:05:16,520
We are here and we are ready

9502
06:05:16,520 --> 06:05:19,760
for the next chunk of our meeting.

9503
06:05:19,760 --> 06:05:20,920
>> And it's a chunk.

9504
06:05:20,920 --> 06:05:23,000
>> It's a It is a chunk.

9505
06:05:23,000 --> 06:05:26,400
And so, we are on item 10.4.

9506
06:05:26,400 --> 06:05:28,640
Ordinance cultural arts and recreat- I

9507
06:05:28,640 --> 06:05:31,080
can't talk. Recreation enrichment care

9508
06:05:31,080 --> 06:05:36,600
tax allotment. So, I'll turn over to our chief financial officer Brandon

9509
06:05:36,600 --> 06:05:37,760
Nelson

9510
06:05:37,760 --> 06:05:39,840
for that presentation.

9511
06:05:39,840 --> 06:05:43,320
>> Great. Let's see if I can make this

9512
06:05:43,320 --> 06:05:44,680
little bit I don't know if you want to

9513
06:05:44,680 --> 06:05:47,720
go bigger or smaller. I'm not sure. Get

9514
06:05:47,720 --> 06:05:52,550
more on it or

9515
06:05:52,560 --> 06:05:53,600
Okay.

9516
06:05:53,600 --> 06:05:57,760
So, tonight we are here to

9517
06:05:57,760 --> 06:05:58,600
um

9518
06:05:58,600 --> 06:06:01,480
have a final discussion and then

9519
06:06:01,480 --> 06:06:03,840
approval of the care tax

9520
06:06:03,840 --> 06:06:08,800
um awards for fiscal year 26-27.

9521
06:06:08,800 --> 06:06:11,520
Um and so, you know, we've had previous

9522
06:06:11,520 --> 06:06:13,640
work session um discussions about

9523
06:06:13,640 --> 06:06:16,440
various items. Um and and realistically

9524
06:06:16,440 --> 06:06:19,200
at this point, um I I just need to turn

9525
06:06:19,200 --> 06:06:21,800
the time over to you. If there's further

9526
06:06:21,800 --> 06:06:24,400
discussion that uh you you guys feel is

9527
06:06:24,400 --> 06:06:25,880
necessary.

9528
06:06:25,880 --> 06:06:28,960
Um and then uh if

9529
06:06:28,960 --> 06:06:31,600
based on that discussion, um and then uh

9530
06:06:31,600 --> 06:06:33,760
an approval of some sort for the CARE

9531
06:06:33,760 --> 06:06:36,640
Tax awards via ordinance.

9532
06:06:36,640 --> 06:06:39,560
>> All right, thank you. Any questions

9533
06:06:39,560 --> 06:06:41,160
for

9534
06:06:41,160 --> 06:06:43,920
uh Brandon or Trevor?

9535
06:06:43,920 --> 06:06:45,680
All right, Council. This is not a public

9536
06:06:45,680 --> 06:06:47,600
hearing and I don't see

9537
06:06:47,600 --> 06:06:49,600
Do any of you have a a

9538
06:06:49,600 --> 06:06:52,040
desire to speak to this?

9539
06:06:52,040 --> 06:06:53,080
They're laughing at You guys are

9540
06:06:53,080 --> 06:06:54,520
laughing at me, so they take that as a

9541
06:06:54,520 --> 06:06:56,360
no. Um

9542
06:06:56,360 --> 06:06:58,920
All right, Council.

9543
06:06:58,920 --> 06:07:01,040
I It's our turn now.

9544
06:07:01,040 --> 06:07:01,800
>> One comment.

9545
06:07:01,800 --> 06:07:03,520
>> Okay, we have a comment from Council

9546
06:07:03,520 --> 06:07:05,640
member Meekam.

9547
06:07:05,640 --> 06:07:07,400
>> Uh I'll just say I'm so grateful to live

9548
06:07:07,400 --> 06:07:10,680
in a city with the CARE Tax. Um what a

9549
06:07:10,680 --> 06:07:12,960
privilege it is

9550
06:07:12,960 --> 06:07:15,160
to uh have funding that goes

9551
06:07:15,160 --> 06:07:17,600
specifically to our arts and recreation.

9552
06:07:17,600 --> 06:07:21,560
Um I don't think I appreciated

9553
06:07:21,560 --> 06:07:25,480
uh this as well before I had a chance to

9554
06:07:25,480 --> 06:07:26,760
listen to some of these folks. And I

9555
06:07:26,760 --> 06:07:29,320
just I just uh just want to say that

9556
06:07:29,320 --> 06:07:31,400
this is one of Orem's great strengths

9557
06:07:31,400 --> 06:07:33,760
and I'm just delighted that we are able

9558
06:07:33,760 --> 06:07:35,000
to

9559
06:07:35,000 --> 06:07:38,040
uh fund often at a very startup level,

9560
06:07:38,040 --> 06:07:39,280
but um

9561
06:07:39,280 --> 06:07:41,320
fund a wide variety of groups. Some

9562
06:07:41,320 --> 06:07:42,960
major groups, some

9563
06:07:42,960 --> 06:07:45,120
small groups, but uh they all bring

9564
06:07:45,120 --> 06:07:46,880
really

9565
06:07:46,880 --> 06:07:48,280
great things to the city and great

9566
06:07:48,280 --> 06:07:50,160
opportunities for us and that just just

9567
06:07:50,160 --> 06:07:52,560
contributes to a culture where uh we get

9568
06:07:52,560 --> 06:07:54,040
to celebrate

9569
06:07:54,040 --> 06:07:55,760
lots of diverse arts. So, I'm grateful

9570
06:07:55,760 --> 06:07:57,200
for that.

9571
06:07:57,200 --> 06:08:00,430
>> All right, thank you.

9572
06:08:00,440 --> 06:08:03,800
Anyone Okay, Council member Kilpack.

9573
06:08:03,800 --> 06:08:05,520
Okay.

9574
06:08:05,520 --> 06:08:07,800
>> Mayor, I move that to approve my

9575
06:08:07,800 --> 06:08:11,320
ordinance the fiscal year 2026-2027

9576
06:08:11,320 --> 06:08:14,040
CARE tax awards as outlined in exhibit A

9577
06:08:14,040 --> 06:08:15,480
of the ordinance.

9578
06:08:15,480 --> 06:08:16,680
>> All right, thank you. We have a motion.

9579
06:08:16,680 --> 06:08:18,360
Is there a second?

9580
06:08:18,360 --> 06:08:19,400
>> I'll second.

9581
06:08:19,400 --> 06:08:20,600
>> All right, thank you, Councilmember

9582
06:08:20,600 --> 06:08:23,440
Gale. Any other discussion?

9583
06:08:23,440 --> 06:08:24,920
All right, Councilmember Kilpack, how do

9584
06:08:24,920 --> 06:08:25,480
you vote?

9585
06:08:25,480 --> 06:08:27,200
>> I.

9586
06:08:27,200 --> 06:08:28,680
I.

9587
06:08:28,680 --> 06:08:31,000
>> I.

9588
06:08:31,000 --> 06:08:34,400
Motion carries. Thank you.

9589
06:08:34,400 --> 06:08:37,920
Um item 10.5 is a resolution, creation

9590
06:08:37,920 --> 06:08:40,240
of public safety special revenue bond,

9591
06:08:40,240 --> 06:08:41,760
excuse me, revenue fund and statement of

9592
06:08:41,760 --> 06:08:44,080
intent to dedicate the general

9593
06:08:44,080 --> 06:08:47,120
operations portion of property tax to

9594
06:08:47,120 --> 06:08:49,640
public safety. So, turn that time over

9595
06:08:49,640 --> 06:08:50,760
to

9596
06:08:50,760 --> 06:08:54,320
um Brandon Nelson again.

9597
06:08:54,320 --> 06:08:56,440
>> Um sorry.

9598
06:08:56,440 --> 06:08:58,720
So, thank you, Mayor. Um this is a

9599
06:08:58,720 --> 06:09:00,440
continuation of the discussions we've

9600
06:09:00,440 --> 06:09:01,680
been having in our work sessions

9601
06:09:01,680 --> 06:09:03,000
regarding

9602
06:09:03,000 --> 06:09:05,760
uh the uh creation of the public safety

9603
06:09:05,760 --> 06:09:07,440
special revenue fund

9604
06:09:07,440 --> 06:09:10,200
and uh a uh

9605
06:09:10,200 --> 06:09:12,920
further dedication of the city's uh

9606
06:09:12,920 --> 06:09:16,720
current um property tax to that special

9607
06:09:16,720 --> 06:09:19,480
revenue fund as in as allowed in state

9608
06:09:19,480 --> 06:09:20,480
law.

9609
06:09:20,480 --> 06:09:23,120
Um just as a a reminder and you know,

9610
06:09:23,120 --> 06:09:25,880
for all the public that's here to to um

9611
06:09:25,880 --> 06:09:29,040
know exactly it is we're talking about.

9612
06:09:29,040 --> 06:09:33,200
Um Utah State Code allows uh the city to

9613
06:09:33,200 --> 06:09:35,840
create a special revenue fund um and

9614
06:09:35,840 --> 06:09:38,960
dedicate uh any amount of its current

9615
06:09:38,960 --> 06:09:40,520
property tax

9616
06:09:40,520 --> 06:09:43,680
um towards that fund and and that fund

9617
06:09:43,680 --> 06:09:45,920
has to have a dedicated purpose um

9618
06:09:45,920 --> 06:09:49,480
behind it. In this case, public safety.

9619
06:09:49,480 --> 06:09:51,840
Um and as mentioned up in the right

9620
06:09:51,840 --> 06:09:53,480
corner there, why are we are interested

9621
06:09:53,480 --> 06:09:55,760
in doing that are for several reasons to

9622
06:09:55,760 --> 06:09:57,640
um further um

9623
06:09:57,640 --> 06:10:00,200
identify the costs of public safety and

9624
06:10:00,200 --> 06:10:01,640
be able to

9625
06:10:01,640 --> 06:10:03,120
see that

9626
06:10:03,120 --> 06:10:05,600
the elements that go into our public

9627
06:10:05,600 --> 06:10:08,640
safety and see what kind of funding is

9628
06:10:08,640 --> 06:10:11,440
being applied to towards that to that

9629
06:10:11,440 --> 06:10:14,640
end being that one of the city's major

9630
06:10:14,640 --> 06:10:16,520
functions is to provide public safety

9631
06:10:16,520 --> 06:10:18,640
services.

9632
06:10:18,640 --> 06:10:20,280
Um

9633
06:10:20,280 --> 06:10:23,320
based on this resolution

9634
06:10:23,320 --> 06:10:25,200
the it is a resolution not an ordinance

9635
06:10:25,200 --> 06:10:27,360
so the the resolution that is before you

9636
06:10:27,360 --> 06:10:31,440
is to be able to indicate to

9637
06:10:31,440 --> 06:10:33,560
the county as well as the state tax

9638
06:10:33,560 --> 06:10:37,000
commission what the city's intent um

9639
06:10:37,000 --> 06:10:40,560
when we move to our June 9th council

9640
06:10:40,560 --> 06:10:44,080
meeting so that they can be prepared for

9641
06:10:44,080 --> 06:10:46,360
that meeting that does not bind us in

9642
06:10:46,360 --> 06:10:48,600
any way in that June 9th meeting you

9643
06:10:48,600 --> 06:10:50,600
still have the the right to make a

9644
06:10:50,600 --> 06:10:52,280
decision one way or the other at that

9645
06:10:52,280 --> 06:10:56,110
point.

9646
06:10:56,120 --> 06:10:57,440
Um

9647
06:10:57,440 --> 06:11:00,360
just to give you an idea the the

9648
06:11:00,360 --> 06:11:02,960
approximations this was on fiscal 26 so

9649
06:11:02,960 --> 06:11:04,600
this these slides were before we

9650
06:11:04,600 --> 06:11:06,360
actually had our tentative budget

9651
06:11:06,360 --> 06:11:09,360
completed but approximately 38 million

9652
06:11:09,360 --> 06:11:11,440
in fiscal 26 there's related to the

9653
06:11:11,440 --> 06:11:13,360
police and fire budgets

9654
06:11:13,360 --> 06:11:15,120
by dedicating our property tax

9655
06:11:15,120 --> 06:11:17,840
approximately eight plus million dollars

9656
06:11:17,840 --> 06:11:20,600
would be moved towards

9657
06:11:20,600 --> 06:11:24,720
covering those costs of that 38 million.

9658
06:11:24,720 --> 06:11:25,760
Um

9659
06:11:25,760 --> 06:11:29,200
the dedication

9660
06:11:29,200 --> 06:11:33,320
would show up on the property tax notice

9661
06:11:33,320 --> 06:11:36,320
that each citizen receives

9662
06:11:36,320 --> 06:11:38,680
and you would see the city of Orem's

9663
06:11:38,680 --> 06:11:41,480
property tax go from a existing amount

9664
06:11:41,480 --> 06:11:44,200
to zero and a new city of Orem public

9665
06:11:44,200 --> 06:11:46,800
safety tax that would start at zero and

9666
06:11:46,800 --> 06:11:48,840
show at its current balance based on

9667
06:11:48,840 --> 06:11:49,920
these

9668
06:11:49,920 --> 06:11:51,880
whatever the county auditor's certified

9669
06:11:51,880 --> 06:11:55,000
tax rate and associated revenue would be

9670
06:11:55,000 --> 06:11:56,320
related to that.

9671
06:11:56,320 --> 06:11:58,920
>> So So, Brandon, just to clarify for the

9672
06:11:58,920 --> 06:12:00,040
record,

9673
06:12:00,040 --> 06:12:03,760
all of Orem's collected property tax,

9674
06:12:03,760 --> 06:12:06,120
the intention with what you're proposing

9675
06:12:06,120 --> 06:12:07,960
is to move all of it

9676
06:12:07,960 --> 06:12:11,000
into this public safety

9677
06:12:11,000 --> 06:12:12,760
to to this special revenue fund.

9678
06:12:12,760 --> 06:12:14,520
>> Correct. 100%.

9679
06:12:14,520 --> 06:12:17,760
>> 100% and then going forward until

9680
06:12:17,760 --> 06:12:20,280
further notice of some sort,

9681
06:12:20,280 --> 06:12:21,840
I guess to other to other you get other

9682
06:12:21,840 --> 06:12:23,480
direction,

9683
06:12:23,480 --> 06:12:26,800
going forward, 100% of Orem's property

9684
06:12:26,800 --> 06:12:29,200
tax will go into this special revenue

9685
06:12:29,200 --> 06:12:33,440
fund to um to fund partially fund police

9686
06:12:33,440 --> 06:12:34,560
and fire.

9687
06:12:34,560 --> 06:12:35,040
>> Correct.

9688
06:12:35,040 --> 06:12:36,160
>> Okay, thank you.

9689
06:12:36,160 --> 06:12:38,430
>> You bet.

9690
06:12:38,440 --> 06:12:41,350
Um

9691
06:12:41,360 --> 06:12:43,400
We are here at phase two, the tentative

9692
06:12:43,400 --> 06:12:45,880
budget uh the this resolution before

9693
06:12:45,880 --> 06:12:47,600
you. I've mentioned the June 9th

9694
06:12:47,600 --> 06:12:49,640
meeting, which will be a public hearing.

9695
06:12:49,640 --> 06:12:52,040
Um at that point um

9696
06:12:52,040 --> 06:12:53,920
there would be a consideration of the

9697
06:12:53,920 --> 06:12:56,520
adoption of the of the budget at that

9698
06:12:56,520 --> 06:13:00,240
point. It may be the adoption of the

9699
06:13:00,240 --> 06:13:02,920
certain portion of the budget and what

9700
06:13:02,920 --> 06:13:05,200
is referred to maybe as There's been

9701
06:13:05,200 --> 06:13:06,880
some debate with Steve and I as to what

9702
06:13:06,880 --> 06:13:09,480
exactly the legislature intended between

9703
06:13:09,480 --> 06:13:11,400
the term tentative budget and interim

9704
06:13:11,400 --> 06:13:16,440
budget, but at some point here we'll make that conclusion.

9705
06:13:16,440 --> 06:13:21,400
Uh this particular thing is not in any way

9706
06:13:21,400 --> 06:13:24,800
associated with a property tax increase.

9707
06:13:24,800 --> 06:13:26,560
They're They are two separate

9708
06:13:26,560 --> 06:13:31,030
considerations.

9709
06:13:31,040 --> 06:13:33,160
Um and just some more information uh

9710
06:13:33,160 --> 06:13:35,400
regarding that timeline again related to

9711
06:13:35,400 --> 06:13:37,280
this meeting as well as that June 9th

9712
06:13:37,280 --> 06:13:40,230
meeting.

9713
06:13:40,240 --> 06:13:40,920
Um

9714
06:13:40,920 --> 06:13:43,000
>> So, okay, just kind of cuz you kind of

9715
06:13:43,000 --> 06:13:45,200
confused me with that. So, just to

9716
06:13:45,200 --> 06:13:47,520
clarify for the public, there are two Go

9717
06:13:47,520 --> 06:13:49,040
back to the other slide there, two

9718
06:13:49,040 --> 06:13:50,920
separate

9719
06:13:50,920 --> 06:13:52,680
decisions.

9720
06:13:52,680 --> 06:13:54,480
What you're trying to say is tonight's

9721
06:13:54,480 --> 06:13:57,400
vote and then when we vote on this are

9722
06:13:57,400 --> 06:13:59,000
two separate decisions.

9723
06:13:59,000 --> 06:14:01,440
>> So, tonight's vote is you are not

9724
06:14:01,440 --> 06:14:04,280
adopting anything tonight.

9725
06:14:04,280 --> 06:14:09,040
you would be adopting this resolution

9726
06:14:09,040 --> 06:14:11,320
that tells the county and the state tax

9727
06:14:11,320 --> 06:14:16,600
commission what your intent is.

9728
06:14:16,600 --> 06:14:18,480
The but the tentative budget that we

9729
06:14:18,480 --> 06:14:21,400
will be doing later has the same impact.

9730
06:14:21,400 --> 06:14:25,400
You are You are just accepting it um for

9731
06:14:25,400 --> 06:14:28,000
consideration. You are not adopting it

9732
06:14:28,000 --> 06:14:29,120
at that point, either.

9733
06:14:29,120 --> 06:14:31,680
>> We're We're showing what could happen.

9734
06:14:31,680 --> 06:14:34,600
>> I am saying Here it is.

9735
06:14:34,600 --> 06:14:37,320
You have a month to review it. Not only

9736
06:14:37,320 --> 06:14:39,880
you, but citizens at large. You have a

9737
06:14:39,880 --> 06:14:42,080
month to review it and look at it.

9738
06:14:42,080 --> 06:14:42,680
>> Thank you.

9739
06:14:42,680 --> 06:14:45,880
>> We then come back on June 9th.

9740
06:14:45,880 --> 06:14:48,680
And then we would make a decision

9741
06:14:48,680 --> 06:14:51,840
based on other factors, whether those be

9742
06:14:51,840 --> 06:14:54,640
property tax increase or not, whether

9743
06:14:54,640 --> 06:14:56,880
there are things within that document,

9744
06:14:56,880 --> 06:14:58,480
that but that tentative budget you would

9745
06:14:58,480 --> 06:15:00,440
like to see changed or have questions

9746
06:15:00,440 --> 06:15:01,600
about.

9747
06:15:01,600 --> 06:15:03,600
Um those kind of things would then be

9748
06:15:03,600 --> 06:15:10,550
addressed during that June 9th meeting.

9749
06:15:10,560 --> 06:15:12,160
Um

9750
06:15:12,160 --> 06:15:13,680
and then you will see in the down in the

9751
06:15:13,680 --> 06:15:16,440
bottom right corner um in for the my

9752
06:15:16,440 --> 06:15:18,960
annual financial report that the city

9753
06:15:18,960 --> 06:15:21,560
issues, you would then start seeing that

9754
06:15:21,560 --> 06:15:23,160
particular special revenue fund

9755
06:15:23,160 --> 06:15:26,200
separated from the general fund and you

9756
06:15:26,200 --> 06:15:29,400
would see it within uh the what was

9757
06:15:29,400 --> 06:15:31,200
referred to as the act for

9758
06:15:31,200 --> 06:15:33,480
as its own separate item as far as the

9759
06:15:33,480 --> 06:15:36,880
actual financial results of the year, as

9760
06:15:36,880 --> 06:15:39,000
well.

9761
06:15:39,000 --> 06:15:42,160
Are there any other questions?

9762
06:15:42,160 --> 06:15:43,960
It's going all right.

9763
06:15:43,960 --> 06:15:45,280
>> Council, do you have any other questions

9764
06:15:45,280 --> 06:15:49,000
for um Brandon regarding this?

9765
06:15:49,000 --> 06:15:49,920
All right, is there anyone who would

9766
06:15:49,920 --> 06:15:51,680
like to speak

9767
06:15:51,680 --> 06:15:54,040
to this?

9768
06:15:54,040 --> 06:15:56,240
Nobody's here to speak to that, so bring

9769
06:15:56,240 --> 06:15:59,870
it back to the council.

9770
06:15:59,880 --> 06:16:01,120
» I'll make a motion.

9771
06:16:01,120 --> 06:16:01,600
>> Okay.

9772
06:16:01,600 --> 06:16:03,160
>> Um

9773
06:16:03,160 --> 06:16:05,480
I move to approve by resolution the

9774
06:16:05,480 --> 06:16:07,800
creation of a new public safety special

9775
06:16:07,800 --> 06:16:10,200
revenue fund and state that the Orem

9776
06:16:10,200 --> 06:16:12,680
City Council intends to dedicate all of

9777
06:16:12,680 --> 06:16:14,640
the city of Orem's regular general

9778
06:16:14,640 --> 06:16:17,200
operations property tax levy to this new

9779
06:16:17,200 --> 06:16:18,720
fund.

9780
06:16:18,720 --> 06:16:19,920
>> Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a

9781
06:16:19,920 --> 06:16:20,400
second?

9782
06:16:20,400 --> 06:16:21,360
>> I'll second.

9783
06:16:21,360 --> 06:16:22,680
>> All right, thank you Council member

9784
06:16:22,680 --> 06:16:23,800
Meekam. Is there need for further

9785
06:16:23,800 --> 06:16:26,670
discussion?

9786
06:16:26,680 --> 06:16:28,960
Right, I'm just going to say that I I

9787
06:16:28,960 --> 06:16:31,160
really as I as we've talked about this

9788
06:16:31,160 --> 06:16:32,960
before I I

9789
06:16:32,960 --> 06:16:35,000
very supportive of this idea. I like the

9790
06:16:35,000 --> 06:16:37,720
idea of the clarity that property tax is

9791
06:16:37,720 --> 06:16:40,280
going to be spent for very specific

9792
06:16:40,280 --> 06:16:42,720
uses in our public safety department. I

9793
06:16:42,720 --> 06:16:44,960
like that it gives a a stable a more

9794
06:16:44,960 --> 06:16:48,400
stable funding source for public safety

9795
06:16:48,400 --> 06:16:50,880
and and I just I like the transparency

9796
06:16:50,880 --> 06:16:53,520
that this this will provide.

9797
06:16:53,520 --> 06:16:57,480
So, any other discussion?

9798
06:16:57,480 --> 06:16:59,600
All right, um Council member Mielsteen,

9799
06:16:59,600 --> 06:17:00,960
how do you vote?

9800
06:17:00,960 --> 06:17:07,000
>> I.

9801
06:17:07,000 --> 06:17:09,320
>> Thank you. Motion carries.

9802
06:17:09,320 --> 06:17:11,400
Okay, I um

9803
06:17:11,400 --> 06:17:14,390
10.6

9804
06:17:14,400 --> 06:17:17,240
Oh, so we don't we just have to listen.

9805
06:17:17,240 --> 06:17:17,960
>> You do.

9806
06:17:17,960 --> 06:17:20,640
>> We don't have to take move take any

9807
06:17:20,640 --> 06:17:22,600
action on this item. We just have to

9808
06:17:22,600 --> 06:17:25,640
listen to our chief financial officer as

9809
06:17:25,640 --> 06:17:27,920
he makes a statement.

9810
06:17:27,920 --> 06:17:31,360
>> Yes. So, a part of the new legislative

9811
06:17:31,360 --> 06:17:34,040
law regarding um

9812
06:17:34,040 --> 06:17:36,280
property tax increases

9813
06:17:36,280 --> 06:17:40,000
is that during a not only on our agenda,

9814
06:17:40,000 --> 06:17:42,080
which you may have noticed, but as part

9815
06:17:42,080 --> 06:17:45,520
of this meeting as a separate agenda

9816
06:17:45,520 --> 06:17:49,480
item specifically where I tell you and

9817
06:17:49,480 --> 06:17:53,120
the public there is a property tax

9818
06:17:53,120 --> 06:17:56,910
increase of $450,000

9819
06:17:56,920 --> 06:17:59,520
included within this tentative budget

9820
06:17:59,520 --> 06:18:03,000
that we will be presenting next.

9821
06:18:03,000 --> 06:18:03,600
>> That's it.

9822
06:18:03,600 --> 06:18:05,360
>> And that's the end of the item.

9823
06:18:05,360 --> 06:18:06,960
Okay.

9824
06:18:06,960 --> 06:18:09,960
Thank you for your statement.

9825
06:18:09,960 --> 06:18:12,200
All right, item 10.7, we're going to

9826
06:18:12,200 --> 06:18:14,640
have a public hearing. It's a resolution

9827
06:18:14,640 --> 06:18:17,240
fiscal year 26-27

9828
06:18:17,240 --> 06:18:20,480
tentative budget. And so Brandon, we'll

9829
06:18:20,480 --> 06:18:22,400
turn that time back over to you.

9830
06:18:22,400 --> 06:18:24,680
>> All right, buckle up.

9831
06:18:24,680 --> 06:18:27,480
So, to

9832
06:18:27,480 --> 06:18:29,200
elect Yeah, I got your picture even. How

9833
06:18:29,200 --> 06:18:31,240
about that?

9834
06:18:31,240 --> 06:18:32,880
I had to bribe some people.

9835
06:18:32,880 --> 06:18:36,120
Um this year's tentative budget that

9836
06:18:36,120 --> 06:18:37,840
being presented to you

9837
06:18:37,840 --> 06:18:40,800
is you can see the total amount of all

9838
06:18:40,800 --> 06:18:42,080
funds

9839
06:18:42,080 --> 06:18:45,960
of the city excluding the RDA and the

9840
06:18:45,960 --> 06:18:47,520
special service lighting district. Those

9841
06:18:47,520 --> 06:18:49,960
are not included as part of of this

9842
06:18:49,960 --> 06:18:52,000
present specific presentation and not

9843
06:18:52,000 --> 06:18:57,710
included as part of that $211 million.

9844
06:18:57,720 --> 06:18:59,680
Um just to review the budget calendar

9845
06:18:59,680 --> 06:19:01,440
that we went through. We had a our our

9846
06:19:01,440 --> 06:19:04,000
council retreat in January. We had a a

9847
06:19:04,000 --> 06:19:06,240
work session in April where we discussed

9848
06:19:06,240 --> 06:19:07,560
revenue

9849
06:19:07,560 --> 06:19:11,080
at the time and compensation elements.

9850
06:19:11,080 --> 06:19:12,800
April 28th, we had another work session

9851
06:19:12,800 --> 06:19:14,720
where we discuss dis- discussed

9852
06:19:14,720 --> 06:19:17,520
operations and operational expansions

9853
06:19:17,520 --> 06:19:21,680
as well as the IT component of the city.

9854
06:19:21,680 --> 06:19:23,400
On May 5th, we had a special work

9855
06:19:23,400 --> 06:19:26,120
session where we discussed the fleet

9856
06:19:26,120 --> 06:19:29,520
needs as well as all capital elements

9857
06:19:29,520 --> 06:19:32,280
within that Taggart presented that are

9858
06:19:32,280 --> 06:19:35,560
also um either part of this budget or

9859
06:19:35,560 --> 06:19:38,480
part of the use of those the reserves

9860
06:19:38,480 --> 06:19:40,440
that we transferred back in I think it

9861
06:19:40,440 --> 06:19:41,760
was February.

9862
06:19:41,760 --> 06:19:42,560
Uh

9863
06:19:42,560 --> 06:19:44,400
whichever way we were using those

9864
06:19:44,400 --> 06:19:46,880
towards those capital needs.

9865
06:19:46,880 --> 06:19:48,800
And then obviously here we're presenting

9866
06:19:48,800 --> 06:19:51,360
our tentative budget this evening.

9867
06:19:51,360 --> 06:19:53,640
Some highlights from the the budget.

9868
06:19:53,640 --> 06:19:55,520
First thing you'll notice that increased

9869
06:19:55,520 --> 06:19:57,360
$34 million.

9870
06:19:57,360 --> 06:20:00,000
That is a bit deceiving. I will tell

9871
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:01,680
you. And we will get into that a little

9872
06:20:01,680 --> 06:20:04,960
later um compared to the prior budget

9873
06:20:04,960 --> 06:20:07,240
and and we'll discuss that. Know that

9874
06:20:07,240 --> 06:20:09,080
this budget does cover the city's

9875
06:20:09,080 --> 06:20:11,120
compensation programs including step

9876
06:20:11,120 --> 06:20:14,480
adjustments and merit increases. It also

9877
06:20:14,480 --> 06:20:17,400
um addresses uh various other targeted

9878
06:20:17,400 --> 06:20:18,080
um

9879
06:20:18,080 --> 06:20:20,000
adjustments that may occur during the

9880
06:20:20,000 --> 06:20:22,480
year as we uh have act continue to

9881
06:20:22,480 --> 06:20:25,880
evaluate uh HR continues to evaluate uh

9882
06:20:25,880 --> 06:20:29,560
individual positions pay. It also uh

9883
06:20:29,560 --> 06:20:31,520
funds all of the health care, any

9884
06:20:31,520 --> 06:20:33,360
potential health care increases as well

9885
06:20:33,360 --> 06:20:35,760
as any URS retirement costs that have

9886
06:20:35,760 --> 06:20:38,320
been uh passed down to us.

9887
06:20:38,320 --> 06:20:40,400
Um as mentioned, we talked about fleet

9888
06:20:40,400 --> 06:20:42,160
replacement and capital projects. It

9889
06:20:42,160 --> 06:20:46,280
funds all of those dollars as well.

9890
06:20:46,280 --> 06:20:50,240
Okay, so in discussion

9891
06:20:50,240 --> 06:20:53,160
our budget overview, you can see the the

9892
06:20:53,160 --> 06:20:56,760
uh revenues uh from the various adopted

9893
06:20:56,760 --> 06:20:59,400
budgets over time and you can see the

9894
06:20:59,400 --> 06:21:01,960
big item on there is the transfer to the

9895
06:21:01,960 --> 06:21:05,440
new public safety fund. So, if you take

9896
06:21:05,440 --> 06:21:09,400
that 25 million which is the amount

9897
06:21:09,400 --> 06:21:12,720
necessary because we have a new fund

9898
06:21:12,720 --> 06:21:15,800
and property tax doesn't cover it all

9899
06:21:15,800 --> 06:21:18,800
and all of the other associated

9900
06:21:18,800 --> 06:21:20,800
public safety revenues do not cover it

9901
06:21:20,800 --> 06:21:21,840
all

9902
06:21:21,840 --> 06:21:23,800
the general fund

9903
06:21:23,800 --> 06:21:26,720
has to cover that variance. That's what

9904
06:21:26,720 --> 06:21:30,320
that $25 million represents.

9905
06:21:30,320 --> 06:21:31,640
So,

9906
06:21:31,640 --> 06:21:33,400
keeping in mind, this is the city as a

9907
06:21:33,400 --> 06:21:36,480
whole, right? So, that's that's why it's

9908
06:21:36,480 --> 06:21:40,200
there. So, you can see if if we were not

9909
06:21:40,200 --> 06:21:43,080
creating that special revenue fund,

9910
06:21:43,080 --> 06:21:46,080
that 25 million would not occur and not

9911
06:21:46,080 --> 06:21:48,040
be considered revenue.

9912
06:21:48,040 --> 06:21:50,440
Therefore, you can you could if you want

9913
06:21:50,440 --> 06:21:52,000
to look at it and you should look at it

9914
06:21:52,000 --> 06:21:53,320
this way,

9915
06:21:53,320 --> 06:21:58,400
that 211 would be reduced by $25 million

9916
06:21:58,400 --> 06:22:01,400
because it would not exist.

9917
06:22:01,400 --> 06:22:04,160
So, keep that in mind as as we talk

9918
06:22:04,160 --> 06:22:07,480
about that large change in

9919
06:22:07,480 --> 06:22:10,430
revenue.

9920
06:22:10,440 --> 06:22:13,040
As we look at and you can see again the

9921
06:22:13,040 --> 06:22:16,320
transfers in the public safety item.

9922
06:22:16,320 --> 06:22:19,800
That's where that shows up in in this

9923
06:22:19,800 --> 06:22:23,280
concept of where do all of the revenues

9924
06:22:23,280 --> 06:22:26,920
come from that make up this 211,000

9925
06:22:26,920 --> 06:22:28,200
or million.

9926
06:22:28,200 --> 06:22:30,600
So, these are all the various fund large

9927
06:22:30,600 --> 06:22:33,000
major funds of the city

9928
06:22:33,000 --> 06:22:35,120
and then the other funds just so you're

9929
06:22:35,120 --> 06:22:36,800
aware the large portion of the other

9930
06:22:36,800 --> 06:22:38,480
funds are all those internal service

9931
06:22:38,480 --> 06:22:40,360
funds that we have which include fleet

9932
06:22:40,360 --> 06:22:41,760
maintenance,

9933
06:22:41,760 --> 06:22:44,240
the largest portion of that is our IT

9934
06:22:44,240 --> 06:22:45,440
fund,

9935
06:22:45,440 --> 06:22:47,080
self-insurance,

9936
06:22:47,080 --> 06:22:48,920
purchasing and warehousing, and

9937
06:22:48,920 --> 06:22:50,800
facilities maintenance. They they are

9938
06:22:50,800 --> 06:22:53,480
the lion's share of that 13 million 870

9939
06:22:53,480 --> 06:22:56,280
at the near the very bottom there.

9940
06:22:56,280 --> 06:22:59,040
So, really though I just this is tables

9941
06:22:59,040 --> 06:23:01,240
to just give you an idea of where do

9942
06:23:01,240 --> 06:23:03,560
those revenues come from and and which

9943
06:23:03,560 --> 06:23:13,070
funds do they belong to.

9944
06:23:13,080 --> 06:23:15,600
That you'll make an please note that the

9945
06:23:15,600 --> 06:23:18,840
little tiny print up at the top,

9946
06:23:18,840 --> 06:23:22,480
I've tried my best to pull out

9947
06:23:22,480 --> 06:23:25,120
the public safety dollars out of this

9948
06:23:25,120 --> 06:23:27,640
comparison so that you are seeing the

9949
06:23:27,640 --> 06:23:31,120
general fund only as it technically now

9950
06:23:31,120 --> 06:23:33,040
would exist.

9951
06:23:33,040 --> 06:23:35,880
And you can see the revenues

9952
06:23:35,880 --> 06:23:39,240
from the 529 to the 55

9953
06:23:39,240 --> 06:23:41,520
for the current year. That increase is

9954
06:23:41,520 --> 06:23:45,200
primarily sales tax related.

9955
06:23:45,200 --> 06:23:49,240
Sales tax and franchise taxes with the

9956
06:23:49,240 --> 06:23:52,120
property tax removed and and ambulance

9957
06:23:52,120 --> 06:23:55,280
revenues removed and Vineyard and Lyndon

9958
06:23:55,280 --> 06:23:57,720
fire contracts removed. Those all are

9959
06:23:57,720 --> 06:24:01,080
now exist within the public safety fund.

9960
06:24:01,080 --> 06:24:03,400
Sales taxes and franchise taxes

9961
06:24:03,400 --> 06:24:07,440
primarily become your biggest sources of

9962
06:24:07,440 --> 06:24:10,400
revenue for the general fund. So out of

9963
06:24:10,400 --> 06:24:16,080
that 55 million approximately 43 of it

9964
06:24:16,080 --> 06:24:19,640
is those two revenue sources.

9965
06:24:19,640 --> 06:24:22,480
Obviously there are a large number of

9966
06:24:22,480 --> 06:24:24,520
individuals that exist within the

9967
06:24:24,520 --> 06:24:26,480
general fund

9968
06:24:26,480 --> 06:24:27,920
but be it from

9969
06:24:27,920 --> 06:24:32,560
yourselves, city manager, city finance,

9970
06:24:32,560 --> 06:24:34,160
legal,

9971
06:24:34,160 --> 06:24:36,640
engineering, many other individuals,

9972
06:24:36,640 --> 06:24:38,720
departments, community development, etc.

9973
06:24:38,720 --> 06:24:41,000
that exist within the general fund.

9974
06:24:41,000 --> 06:24:43,960
That transfers in line

9975
06:24:43,960 --> 06:24:46,800
are those transfers that we are charging

9976
06:24:46,800 --> 06:24:48,640
to other funds

9977
06:24:48,640 --> 06:24:51,120
for our services if you will.

9978
06:24:51,120 --> 06:24:54,160
We do work for the water fund.

9979
06:24:54,160 --> 06:24:56,320
We do work for the sewer, all of the

9980
06:24:56,320 --> 06:24:59,320
enterprise funds. That's primarily what

9981
06:24:59,320 --> 06:25:00,440
those

9982
06:25:00,440 --> 06:25:03,640
charges represent as as our best guess

9983
06:25:03,640 --> 06:25:06,960
and estimates as to what our services to

9984
06:25:06,960 --> 06:25:11,550
those other funds is.

9985
06:25:11,560 --> 06:25:12,760
Um

9986
06:25:12,760 --> 06:25:15,240
the biggest change in that transfers in

9987
06:25:15,240 --> 06:25:17,600
just to give you an idea.

9988
06:25:17,600 --> 06:25:18,240
Um

9989
06:25:18,240 --> 06:25:20,720
So, that public safety fund, again, we

9990
06:25:20,720 --> 06:25:23,480
talked about the 25 million that

9991
06:25:23,480 --> 06:25:25,520
exists only because we've created that

9992
06:25:25,520 --> 06:25:26,760
new fund.

9993
06:25:26,760 --> 06:25:28,400
$700,000

9994
06:25:28,400 --> 06:25:31,960
of that transfers in only exists

9995
06:25:31,960 --> 06:25:34,440
because we're now technically providing

9996
06:25:34,440 --> 06:25:35,920
services

9997
06:25:35,920 --> 06:25:37,640
to public safety.

9998
06:25:37,640 --> 06:25:39,760
Same concept. So,

9999
06:25:39,760 --> 06:25:43,560
that 700,000 would not also not exist

10000
06:25:43,560 --> 06:25:46,440
had we not created that new fund.

10001
06:25:46,440 --> 06:25:47,120
Uh

10002
06:25:47,120 --> 06:25:50,840
engineering costs are up 182,000 as far

10003
06:25:50,840 --> 06:25:53,640
as the money being charged to other

10004
06:25:53,640 --> 06:25:56,040
funds. They are doing more work

10005
06:25:56,040 --> 06:25:57,400
in relation to those other funds than

10006
06:25:57,400 --> 06:25:59,360
they have in the past.

10007
06:25:59,360 --> 06:26:00,160
In

10008
06:26:00,160 --> 06:26:02,080
uh GIS,

10009
06:26:02,080 --> 06:26:03,720
that group exists within the general

10010
06:26:03,720 --> 06:26:04,880
fund.

10011
06:26:04,880 --> 06:26:07,640
Prior to this year, several of those

10012
06:26:07,640 --> 06:26:11,200
individuals that are in that division

10013
06:26:11,200 --> 06:26:15,000
were in those directly in those funds.

10014
06:26:15,000 --> 06:26:16,960
They are no longer in those funds. They

10015
06:26:16,960 --> 06:26:19,560
are now in the general fund and being

10016
06:26:19,560 --> 06:26:21,960
charging their cost out to those other

10017
06:26:21,960 --> 06:26:24,160
funds. So, those are two three big

10018
06:26:24,160 --> 06:26:28,990
components of that difference.

10019
06:26:29,000 --> 06:26:31,720
This one, I I made it I just wanted to

10020
06:26:31,720 --> 06:26:33,840
give an idea, so I didn't pull out

10021
06:26:33,840 --> 06:26:36,000
public safety for fiscal year 26 cuz I

10022
06:26:36,000 --> 06:26:38,120
wanted you to see

10023
06:26:38,120 --> 06:26:40,920
what does that change of moving public

10024
06:26:40,920 --> 06:26:44,760
safety out on its own, what does that do

10025
06:26:44,760 --> 06:26:48,160
to those percentages as far as the total

10026
06:26:48,160 --> 06:26:49,680
comparative to the total. So, you can

10027
06:26:49,680 --> 06:26:52,760
see taxes now become a much larger

10028
06:26:52,760 --> 06:26:54,280
portion

10029
06:26:54,280 --> 06:26:58,200
of the total revenue of the general fund

10030
06:26:58,200 --> 06:27:00,920
because property taxes were not a large

10031
06:27:00,920 --> 06:27:03,560
portion of the total,

10032
06:27:03,560 --> 06:27:05,560
especially when you're only adding 8

10033
06:27:05,560 --> 06:27:07,920
million dollars of property tax, but you

10034
06:27:07,920 --> 06:27:10,840
would be adding some 35 30 40 million

10035
06:27:10,840 --> 06:27:12,560
dollars of

10036
06:27:12,560 --> 06:27:15,520
um public safety costs to that bottom

10037
06:27:15,520 --> 06:27:17,840
line. So, just wanted to give you And

10038
06:27:17,840 --> 06:27:19,600
then you'll see charges for services is

10039
06:27:19,600 --> 06:27:21,240
one of the other ones. I I already

10040
06:27:21,240 --> 06:27:23,360
mentioned ambulance

10041
06:27:23,360 --> 06:27:24,560
um

10042
06:27:24,560 --> 06:27:26,400
Vineyard contract, lending contract,

10043
06:27:26,400 --> 06:27:28,880
various other public safety costs

10044
06:27:28,880 --> 06:27:31,560
revenues. Um those were are now pulled

10045
06:27:31,560 --> 06:27:33,120
out and you can see the impact of

10046
06:27:33,120 --> 06:27:34,760
pulling those out and how that drops

10047
06:27:34,760 --> 06:27:36,680
from 19.5%

10048
06:27:36,680 --> 06:27:39,360
to just under 13%. So, again, it's just

10049
06:27:39,360 --> 06:27:42,600
to give you some relative picture there.

10050
06:27:42,600 --> 06:27:44,760
Uh we've talked about sales tax revenues

10051
06:27:44,760 --> 06:27:46,440
getting into the specifics for general

10052
06:27:46,440 --> 06:27:49,600
fund. Um the fiscal year '26 estimate

10053
06:27:49,600 --> 06:27:52,240
that you see there for 33.7 million is

10054
06:27:52,240 --> 06:27:54,520
based on a 3%

10055
06:27:54,520 --> 06:27:57,360
estimate increase for the current fiscal

10056
06:27:57,360 --> 06:27:58,600
year.

10057
06:27:58,600 --> 06:28:01,880
Then the proposed 34.7 million is

10058
06:28:01,880 --> 06:28:06,120
another 3% increase on top of that 33.7

10059
06:28:06,120 --> 06:28:07,120
million

10060
06:28:07,120 --> 06:28:12,080
proposed increase for fiscal year '27.

10061
06:28:12,080 --> 06:28:13,080
Are we

10062
06:28:13,080 --> 06:28:14,440
clear on that? Do we understand what I

10063
06:28:14,440 --> 06:28:15,000
mean by

10064
06:28:15,000 --> 06:28:16,200
>> what's your Isn't that what you normally

10065
06:28:16,200 --> 06:28:17,440
do? Do you three to four?

10066
06:28:17,440 --> 06:28:19,400
>> Generally is what We're generally in the

10067
06:28:19,400 --> 06:28:23,360
two and a half to three ballpark. Yes.

10068
06:28:23,360 --> 06:28:25,600
So, so it's not out of the ordinary by

10069
06:28:25,600 --> 06:28:28,630
any means.

10070
06:28:28,640 --> 06:28:30,960
Uh I I mentioned franchise taxes being

10071
06:28:30,960 --> 06:28:33,520
one of the other large uh

10072
06:28:33,520 --> 06:28:35,720
tax uh revenue sources for the general

10073
06:28:35,720 --> 06:28:38,360
fund, but you can see it's relatively

10074
06:28:38,360 --> 06:28:42,040
flat over the last uh three years. We

10075
06:28:42,040 --> 06:28:43,600
expect it to be relatively flat this

10076
06:28:43,600 --> 06:28:46,040
year and not go up by much next year.

10077
06:28:46,040 --> 06:28:48,320
But it is a large dollar amount. So, uh

10078
06:28:48,320 --> 06:28:50,320
it is a stable as I said or let me say

10079
06:28:50,320 --> 06:28:52,080
it's stable source. We can pretty much

10080
06:28:52,080 --> 06:28:53,320
count on it.

10081
06:28:53,320 --> 06:28:55,400
This is primarily Rocky Mountain

10082
06:28:55,400 --> 06:28:57,920
PacifiCorp, Rocky Mountain Power

10083
06:28:57,920 --> 06:29:01,960
um Enbridge and Comcast. Those are the

10084
06:29:01,960 --> 06:29:04,720
large three. The city also does have a

10085
06:29:04,720 --> 06:29:07,240
franchise tax associated with its

10086
06:29:07,240 --> 06:29:09,440
enterprise funds as well that become

10087
06:29:09,440 --> 06:29:12,640
part of the cost of this revenue source

10088
06:29:12,640 --> 06:29:15,520
of this fund as well. And all the

10089
06:29:15,520 --> 06:29:18,160
telephone providers. So any cell phone

10090
06:29:18,160 --> 06:29:20,760
or telephone provider is also part of

10091
06:29:20,760 --> 06:29:27,150
this franchise tax revenue source.

10092
06:29:27,160 --> 06:29:29,680
Um just to give an idea the other some

10093
06:29:29,680 --> 06:29:31,040
of the other um

10094
06:29:31,040 --> 06:29:32,880
larger revenue sources within the

10095
06:29:32,880 --> 06:29:35,680
general fund and or in this case the

10096
06:29:35,680 --> 06:29:37,120
I've I've just indicated the development

10097
06:29:37,120 --> 06:29:38,720
fees fund there for building permits

10098
06:29:38,720 --> 06:29:40,840
just to give you an idea. So they're not

10099
06:29:40,840 --> 06:29:43,680
part of the general fund um but you

10100
06:29:43,680 --> 06:29:44,840
we're not really going to necessarily

10101
06:29:44,840 --> 06:29:46,680
talk about the develop development fees

10102
06:29:46,680 --> 06:29:49,360
fund but you can see that that building

10103
06:29:49,360 --> 06:29:52,920
permits revenue has been pretty stable

10104
06:29:52,920 --> 06:29:55,240
just over the So there's not when we

10105
06:29:55,240 --> 06:29:56,680
talk about property tax and we talk

10106
06:29:56,680 --> 06:29:58,520
about growth

10107
06:29:58,520 --> 06:30:00,400
this is usually a key indicator as to

10108
06:30:00,400 --> 06:30:02,640
whether you're going to see any growth

10109
06:30:02,640 --> 06:30:04,800
in your property taxes.

10110
06:30:04,800 --> 06:30:06,520
Uh if you're not seeing stuff being

10111
06:30:06,520 --> 06:30:08,560
built you generally aren't going to get

10112
06:30:08,560 --> 06:30:10,720
more property taxes. So

10113
06:30:10,720 --> 06:30:12,720
um just to give an idea there.

10114
06:30:12,720 --> 06:30:14,640
Um and then some of the other larger

10115
06:30:14,640 --> 06:30:18,400
sources of revenues um interest earnings

10116
06:30:18,400 --> 06:30:19,080
um

10117
06:30:19,080 --> 06:30:20,840
obviously we've spent a lot of money in

10118
06:30:20,840 --> 06:30:23,280
this building in particular um as well

10119
06:30:23,280 --> 06:30:26,640
as uh several other projects that uh uh

10120
06:30:26,640 --> 06:30:28,520
have reduced the amount of cash that we

10121
06:30:28,520 --> 06:30:31,280
have available to invest. And on top of

10122
06:30:31,280 --> 06:30:33,800
that obviously interest rates have um

10123
06:30:33,800 --> 06:30:35,560
declined just a little bit from their

10124
06:30:35,560 --> 06:30:38,000
highs and so we uh

10125
06:30:38,000 --> 06:30:40,160
proposing a a slight decrease in uh

10126
06:30:40,160 --> 06:30:41,440
interest earnings.

10127
06:30:41,440 --> 06:30:43,600
Our justice court fees have um

10128
06:30:43,600 --> 06:30:46,840
fluctuated pretty dramatically over time

10129
06:30:46,840 --> 06:30:49,480
um as we catch up and don't catch up

10130
06:30:49,480 --> 06:30:52,840
with various uh cases as they come.

10131
06:30:52,840 --> 06:30:54,880
Um and then our cemetery lot sales and

10132
06:30:54,880 --> 06:30:57,280
interment fees which are also relatively

10133
06:30:57,280 --> 06:31:01,670
stable um over time.

10134
06:31:01,680 --> 06:31:03,200
And it Yes, before I jump to the

10135
06:31:03,200 --> 06:31:05,440
expenditure side, any questions about

10136
06:31:05,440 --> 06:31:09,790
any of those revenue points?

10137
06:31:09,800 --> 06:31:12,440
Great.

10138
06:31:12,440 --> 06:31:13,040
Uh

10139
06:31:13,040 --> 06:31:15,800
expenditures, just to give you an idea,

10140
06:31:15,800 --> 06:31:17,760
comparison from the prior year's adopted

10141
06:31:17,760 --> 06:31:20,160
budget to the current year. Again, you

10142
06:31:20,160 --> 06:31:22,240
see that 105.9

10143
06:31:22,240 --> 06:31:23,800
million in the middle.

10144
06:31:23,800 --> 06:31:26,600
Significantly impacted again by that

10145
06:31:26,600 --> 06:31:29,680
almost $26 million

10146
06:31:29,680 --> 06:31:32,240
because there's also an expenditure side

10147
06:31:32,240 --> 06:31:35,200
to that on the general fund side. So,

10148
06:31:35,200 --> 06:31:40,320
it has both sides of that element. And so, both sides get inflated because

10149
06:31:40,320 --> 06:31:41,680
of that.

10150
06:31:41,680 --> 06:31:44,200
Uh as obviously as we go down the road,

10151
06:31:44,200 --> 06:31:46,320
that'll just be normal. What you you

10152
06:31:46,320 --> 06:31:47,520
know, you wouldn't see that kind of

10153
06:31:47,520 --> 06:31:49,880
fluctuation in the future.

10154
06:31:49,880 --> 06:31:52,120
Um so, this just gives you some kind of

10155
06:31:52,120 --> 06:31:54,280
idea of where our expenditures lie. Do

10156
06:31:54,280 --> 06:31:55,920
they are they in that personnel

10157
06:31:55,920 --> 06:31:58,080
category? Are they in operations? Are

10158
06:31:58,080 --> 06:32:00,080
they in capital? Just so you're also

10159
06:32:00,080 --> 06:32:02,920
aware, operations includes regular

10160
06:32:02,920 --> 06:32:06,440
operations, any debt payments that we

10161
06:32:06,440 --> 06:32:09,520
have, as well as all of those transfers

10162
06:32:09,520 --> 06:32:11,240
that we referred to in case they're

10163
06:32:11,240 --> 06:32:20,670
transfers out, not in in this case.

10164
06:32:20,680 --> 06:32:23,080
This uh is just to give you an idea of

10165
06:32:23,080 --> 06:32:25,040
the size of those expenditures in

10166
06:32:25,040 --> 06:32:27,560
relation to the total for each fund and

10167
06:32:27,560 --> 06:32:30,760
what and how those break down um between

10168
06:32:30,760 --> 06:32:33,000
personnel, operations, and capital um

10169
06:32:33,000 --> 06:32:35,760
for each of the major funds of the city.

10170
06:32:35,760 --> 06:32:38,200
Uh as mentioned in our discussion with

10171
06:32:38,200 --> 06:32:41,360
LRB, um you can see the the you know,

10172
06:32:41,360 --> 06:32:43,240
and and this is where sometimes people

10173
06:32:43,240 --> 06:32:45,720
get uh maybe a little lost in the sense

10174
06:32:45,720 --> 06:32:48,520
of well, 71 million, that's only like a

10175
06:32:48,520 --> 06:32:51,360
third of you know, I mean, 20 of 211

10176
06:32:51,360 --> 06:32:54,000
million. But as we talk about the

10177
06:32:54,000 --> 06:32:58,520
operations and especially uh in total,

10178
06:32:58,520 --> 06:33:02,000
that 105 is a a pretty inflated number.

10179
06:33:02,000 --> 06:33:03,840
So when you back out a lot of those

10180
06:33:03,840 --> 06:33:05,880
transfer elements

10181
06:33:05,880 --> 06:33:08,360
personnel becomes a large much larger

10182
06:33:08,360 --> 06:33:10,640
percentage of that total.

10183
06:33:10,640 --> 06:33:12,720
And and it's so I just want to make you

10184
06:33:12,720 --> 06:33:15,360
aware of that and you can see we talked

10185
06:33:15,360 --> 06:33:17,920
about the general fund and public safety

10186
06:33:17,920 --> 06:33:20,800
by far the largest two places for

10187
06:33:20,800 --> 06:33:22,760
personnel costs.

10188
06:33:22,760 --> 06:33:25,440
And then as you look at capital

10189
06:33:25,440 --> 06:33:28,840
you can see our enterprise funds the

10190
06:33:28,840 --> 06:33:31,440
significant amount of capital that they

10191
06:33:31,440 --> 06:33:34,520
expend on a regular basis.

10192
06:33:34,520 --> 06:33:35,760
>> Okay, that's a good question.

10193
06:33:35,760 --> 06:33:36,240
>> You bet.

10194
06:33:36,240 --> 06:33:37,160
>> Um

10195
06:33:37,160 --> 06:33:39,120
based on what you just said that 105

10196
06:33:39,120 --> 06:33:41,200
figure is an inflated number and it does

10197
06:33:41,200 --> 06:33:42,720
that because of all the transfers in and

10198
06:33:42,720 --> 06:33:43,520
out? What

10199
06:33:43,520 --> 06:33:44,640
>> Correct.

10200
06:33:44,640 --> 06:33:48,630
>> Thank you.

10201
06:33:48,640 --> 06:33:50,240
» And Brandon, though

10202
06:33:50,240 --> 06:33:53,000
showing those transfers is and being

10203
06:33:53,000 --> 06:33:55,280
transparent about that is is required of

10204
06:33:55,280 --> 06:33:56,600
us, correct?

10205
06:33:56,600 --> 06:33:59,320
>> Yeah, so it's just accounting in order

10206
06:33:59,320 --> 06:34:01,400
to have a balanced fund which is

10207
06:34:01,400 --> 06:34:03,520
required by law. Every every fund in the

10208
06:34:03,520 --> 06:34:06,000
city has to have an equal amount of

10209
06:34:06,000 --> 06:34:08,560
revenue and an equal amount of expense.

10210
06:34:08,560 --> 06:34:10,760
In order to do that, we have to make

10211
06:34:10,760 --> 06:34:14,000
transfers that balance those accounts,

10212
06:34:14,000 --> 06:34:14,680
those funds.

10213
06:34:14,680 --> 06:34:16,360
>> So if you were to pick a more accurate

10214
06:34:16,360 --> 06:34:17,720
number and this is obviously be a

10215
06:34:17,720 --> 06:34:19,640
ballpark, what could you do that? Like

10216
06:34:19,640 --> 06:34:20,000
what would it be?

10217
06:34:20,000 --> 06:34:21,760
>> I could do that, yes.

10218
06:34:21,760 --> 06:34:22,720
So

10219
06:34:22,720 --> 06:34:23,480
>> But will you?

10220
06:34:23,480 --> 06:34:25,560
>> In the future

10221
06:34:25,560 --> 06:34:28,760
I I I expressed my

10222
06:34:28,760 --> 06:34:30,600
In the future I would have if I'd had

10223
06:34:30,600 --> 06:34:32,880
the a little bit more time,

10224
06:34:32,880 --> 06:34:35,120
I'm not sure how many of you were my

10225
06:34:35,120 --> 06:34:37,800
issue with my son last week, but I I I

10226
06:34:37,800 --> 06:34:40,520
ran out of time to really be able to

10227
06:34:40,520 --> 06:34:44,280
identify those transfers separately from

10228
06:34:44,280 --> 06:34:48,040
those operations. So in the future uh

10229
06:34:48,040 --> 06:34:50,560
you would see a transfer line column

10230
06:34:50,560 --> 06:34:52,160
there because they are such a

10231
06:34:52,160 --> 06:34:54,600
significant impact um in relation to

10232
06:34:54,600 --> 06:34:56,080
that. Um

10233
06:34:56,080 --> 06:34:57,920
>> But the good news, Brandon, next year

10234
06:34:57,920 --> 06:34:59,440
when we don't have that big transfer,

10235
06:34:59,440 --> 06:35:01,920
it'll look like a big budget savings.

10236
06:35:01,920 --> 06:35:04,360
This is This could be true.

10237
06:35:04,360 --> 06:35:09,360
>> Um if you would like, uh I'm more than happy to provide you to take

10238
06:35:09,360 --> 06:35:11,280
that same one and break those out for

10239
06:35:11,280 --> 06:35:13,280
you so I can I can send that to you each

10240
06:35:13,280 --> 06:35:15,320
individually just so you can see that

10241
06:35:15,320 --> 06:35:17,760
breakout. So.

10242
06:35:17,760 --> 06:35:19,040
Um

10243
06:35:19,040 --> 06:35:20,960
as we've talked about in uh some of our

10244
06:35:20,960 --> 06:35:22,560
work session meetings, uh just

10245
06:35:22,560 --> 06:35:24,720
summarizing those uh operational

10246
06:35:24,720 --> 06:35:26,960
expansion items that uh were discussed

10247
06:35:26,960 --> 06:35:29,000
in those meetings in relation to

10248
06:35:29,000 --> 06:35:31,280
personnel and various operational

10249
06:35:31,280 --> 06:35:33,360
elements.

10250
06:35:33,360 --> 06:35:34,680
Um

10251
06:35:34,680 --> 06:35:37,360
we've talked about fleet replacements

10252
06:35:37,360 --> 06:35:39,800
um and the totals in relation to the

10253
06:35:39,800 --> 06:35:42,200
various funds uh for those elements.

10254
06:35:42,200 --> 06:35:47,920
Just this kind of gives you a visual idea of what kinds of vehicles

10255
06:35:47,920 --> 06:35:49,760
um are being spent in that arena

10256
06:35:49,760 --> 06:35:52,320
comparatively to the prior year.

10257
06:35:52,320 --> 06:35:55,120
>> Is the increase in police vehicles um

10258
06:35:55,120 --> 06:35:56,640
for the two

10259
06:35:56,640 --> 06:35:58,160
officers?

10260
06:35:58,160 --> 06:35:59,200
>> Uh

10261
06:35:59,200 --> 06:36:01,880
a portion of those Yes, so Yes, so the

10262
06:36:01,880 --> 06:36:04,480
vehicles would be included as part of

10263
06:36:04,480 --> 06:36:07,160
that 855. Yeah, there and I forget it's

10264
06:36:07,160 --> 06:36:09,160
like a hundred something thousand of

10265
06:36:09,160 --> 06:36:11,920
that is related to those vehicles for

10266
06:36:11,920 --> 06:36:13,000
them.

10267
06:36:13,000 --> 06:36:15,990
Um

10268
06:36:16,000 --> 06:36:23,710
and

10269
06:36:23,720 --> 06:36:25,760
Then the public safety fund. So, this

10270
06:36:25,760 --> 06:36:28,160
year thought it would be uh relevant

10271
06:36:28,160 --> 06:36:30,120
definitely to to kind of give you an

10272
06:36:30,120 --> 06:36:32,960
idea of Well, and then again, I wanted I

10273
06:36:32,960 --> 06:36:35,080
don't have a way to be able to make

10274
06:36:35,080 --> 06:36:37,000
those perfectly

10275
06:36:37,000 --> 06:36:39,080
uh equal. So,

10276
06:36:39,080 --> 06:36:40,840
that's why I separated out the transfers

10277
06:36:40,840 --> 06:36:43,040
in and so that you can have an some idea

10278
06:36:43,040 --> 06:36:45,800
of if you were to remove that, uh

10279
06:36:45,800 --> 06:36:47,120
you know, obviously we would expect it

10280
06:36:47,120 --> 06:36:48,880
to be in that same $45 million

10281
06:36:48,880 --> 06:36:51,680
neighborhood as we go down the road, but

10282
06:36:51,680 --> 06:36:53,440
when we're comparing to past, I wanted

10283
06:36:53,440 --> 06:36:56,040
to give you some idea in relation to

10284
06:36:56,040 --> 06:36:57,560
what kind of property taxes are we

10285
06:36:57,560 --> 06:36:59,560
talking about here in relation to their

10286
06:36:59,560 --> 06:37:00,760
revenue.

10287
06:37:00,760 --> 06:37:04,000
Kind of grants do we do we get?

10288
06:37:04,000 --> 06:37:06,200
What or do we budget for, I should say.

10289
06:37:06,200 --> 06:37:08,200
Kind of charges for services, the

10290
06:37:08,200 --> 06:37:10,800
ambulance and Vineyard and Linden and

10291
06:37:10,800 --> 06:37:12,480
various other components that we've

10292
06:37:12,480 --> 06:37:14,040
talked about are in that charges for

10293
06:37:14,040 --> 06:37:16,320
services line and you can see

10294
06:37:16,320 --> 06:37:18,640
some of the elements there.

10295
06:37:18,640 --> 06:37:22,160
Um, and and then as we talked, some fees

10296
06:37:22,160 --> 06:37:24,760
and fines, whether they be related to

10297
06:37:24,760 --> 06:37:26,680
fire inspections or various other

10298
06:37:26,680 --> 06:37:28,720
revenue sources that are related to

10299
06:37:28,720 --> 06:37:34,470
public safety in there as well.

10300
06:37:34,480 --> 06:37:36,920
Uh, just a brief graph kind of showing

10301
06:37:36,920 --> 06:37:40,120
you the general property tax

10302
06:37:40,120 --> 06:37:42,680
that now would be applicable to the

10303
06:37:42,680 --> 06:37:44,600
public safety funds. Just giving you an

10304
06:37:44,600 --> 06:37:47,000
idea of the history there.

10305
06:37:47,000 --> 06:37:48,600
Graphically.

10306
06:37:48,600 --> 06:37:51,320
And then the expenditure side just to

10307
06:37:51,320 --> 06:37:53,800
break down those components for police

10308
06:37:53,800 --> 06:37:57,080
and for fire to give you an idea of the

10309
06:37:57,080 --> 06:37:59,560
makeup of each of those particular

10310
06:37:59,560 --> 06:38:01,440
departments in relation to this new

10311
06:38:01,440 --> 06:38:05,830
fund.

10312
06:38:05,840 --> 06:38:09,360
Um, and they again we discussed in those

10313
06:38:09,360 --> 06:38:12,320
work session meetings those operational

10314
06:38:12,320 --> 06:38:13,800
expansions

10315
06:38:13,800 --> 06:38:16,320
in relation to them. Uh, the property

10316
06:38:16,320 --> 06:38:18,520
tax increase item that I mentioned that

10317
06:38:18,520 --> 06:38:20,800
is included in this budget, you can see

10318
06:38:20,800 --> 06:38:22,840
as related to those two hiring of those

10319
06:38:22,840 --> 06:38:25,920
two police officers um, in relation to

10320
06:38:25,920 --> 06:38:29,280
that $450,000 property tax increase.

10321
06:38:29,280 --> 06:38:31,480
Um, the other operational items down

10322
06:38:31,480 --> 06:38:34,360
below are just included as normal

10323
06:38:34,360 --> 06:38:37,960
coverage within our that that 25 million

10324
06:38:37,960 --> 06:38:41,120
that's covering that that portion.

10325
06:38:41,120 --> 06:38:43,840
Um,

10326
06:38:43,840 --> 06:38:45,040
Oh, feedback.

10327
06:38:45,040 --> 06:38:47,480
>> So sorry. Um

10328
06:38:47,480 --> 06:38:50,800
So, how do we So, we are considering

10329
06:38:50,800 --> 06:38:53,120
short-term rental legislation. And part

10330
06:38:53,120 --> 06:38:54,640
of that legislation, we haven't got to

10331
06:38:54,640 --> 06:38:57,000
this part yet, but is the costs

10332
06:38:57,000 --> 06:38:59,680
associated to the city with enforcement

10333
06:38:59,680 --> 06:39:01,840
if we do end up legalizing short-term

10334
06:39:01,840 --> 06:39:03,000
rentals.

10335
06:39:03,000 --> 06:39:05,320
Um I

10336
06:39:05,320 --> 06:39:08,000
have had discussions with our police

10337
06:39:08,000 --> 06:39:11,000
where there is a a a a

10338
06:39:11,000 --> 06:39:13,680
suggestion of two to three more officers

10339
06:39:13,680 --> 06:39:16,440
to assist with short-term rental

10340
06:39:16,440 --> 06:39:17,800
enforcement.

10341
06:39:17,800 --> 06:39:19,800
Um so, that would be right I guess this

10342
06:39:19,800 --> 06:39:22,080
is two officers is 450. So, we take

10343
06:39:22,080 --> 06:39:24,480
another half and add that and that would

10344
06:39:24,480 --> 06:39:26,960
be our three. And then how do you how do

10345
06:39:26,960 --> 06:39:29,040
you put that into our budget for next

10346
06:39:29,040 --> 06:39:30,440
year because that would then go into

10347
06:39:30,440 --> 06:39:32,600
effect immediately, the need for those

10348
06:39:32,600 --> 06:39:33,320
officers.

10349
06:39:33,320 --> 06:39:35,560
>> Yeah, so depending on the timing, exact

10350
06:39:35,560 --> 06:39:38,200
timing of that, um we would either need

10351
06:39:38,200 --> 06:39:41,000
to come back with a budget amendment

10352
06:39:41,000 --> 06:39:43,200
adding that additional officer or

10353
06:39:43,200 --> 06:39:46,120
potentially if it was at a later point

10354
06:39:46,120 --> 06:39:47,720
in the year, uh there's always

10355
06:39:47,720 --> 06:39:49,560
possibility that we

10356
06:39:49,560 --> 06:39:54,240
evaluate how our uh available funds are

10357
06:39:54,240 --> 06:39:55,880
and potentially you can cover it through

10358
06:39:55,880 --> 06:39:58,280
the remainder of that fiscal year

10359
06:39:58,280 --> 06:40:00,280
and then you would put it within your

10360
06:40:00,280 --> 06:40:01,960
you would add it at that point to your

10361
06:40:01,960 --> 06:40:04,080
fiscal 28 budget. It just becomes

10362
06:40:04,080 --> 06:40:05,680
>> So, and then cuz I should have added

10363
06:40:05,680 --> 06:40:08,000
too, there's also a conversation of at

10364
06:40:08,000 --> 06:40:11,360
least one, maybe two more for our um

10365
06:40:11,360 --> 06:40:14,880
attempts on um long-term rental

10366
06:40:14,880 --> 06:40:16,800
uh code enforcement.

10367
06:40:16,800 --> 06:40:18,360
>> Same concept.

10368
06:40:18,360 --> 06:40:21,160
>> we're getting up in the numbers there.

10369
06:40:21,160 --> 06:40:27,160
So, how do you, Brandon, how do you make that magic work?

10370
06:40:27,160 --> 06:40:30,080
>> So, any any time we're discussing those,

10371
06:40:30,080 --> 06:40:32,040
then we would have to determine where

10372
06:40:32,040 --> 06:40:34,080
what the revenue source that is going to

10373
06:40:34,080 --> 06:40:36,360
cover those costs is going to be.

10374
06:40:36,360 --> 06:40:38,560
Um obviously, if we're already into the

10375
06:40:38,560 --> 06:40:40,520
new fiscal year, it's not going to be

10376
06:40:40,520 --> 06:40:43,040
via any sort of property tax increase

10377
06:40:43,040 --> 06:40:44,320
because that's come and gone that would

10378
06:40:44,320 --> 06:40:47,040
have come and gone by then potentially.

10379
06:40:47,040 --> 06:40:49,120
So then again, it would be going back

10380
06:40:49,120 --> 06:40:52,280
and determining okay, are sales taxes

10381
06:40:52,280 --> 06:40:53,920
for instance

10382
06:40:53,920 --> 06:40:55,440
better than what we anticipate better

10383
06:40:55,440 --> 06:40:57,720
than that 3% that we anticipated. So are

10384
06:40:57,720 --> 06:40:59,640
those going to cover are we going to use

10385
06:40:59,640 --> 06:41:03,240
reserves from our general fund to cover

10386
06:41:03,240 --> 06:41:04,640
those costs?

10387
06:41:04,640 --> 06:41:07,560
Are there other revenue sources be it

10388
06:41:07,560 --> 06:41:10,160
franchise taxes or other revenue sources

10389
06:41:10,160 --> 06:41:13,800
or cost savings for instance maybe there

10390
06:41:13,800 --> 06:41:15,800
are benefit fringe benefit estimates

10391
06:41:15,800 --> 06:41:19,560
were too high. Maybe there are salary

10392
06:41:19,560 --> 06:41:22,800
type of thing items that are are not

10393
06:41:22,800 --> 06:41:25,600
being not needing to be spent for

10394
06:41:25,600 --> 06:41:28,080
various turnover reasons. So all of

10395
06:41:28,080 --> 06:41:29,960
those things would need to be evaluated

10396
06:41:29,960 --> 06:41:32,040
and determined in order to figure out

10397
06:41:32,040 --> 06:41:34,120
how exactly are we going to cover the

10398
06:41:34,120 --> 06:41:36,960
costs of those particular officers if we

10399
06:41:36,960 --> 06:41:39,320
are going to add them at some point

10400
06:41:39,320 --> 06:41:40,760
during the year.

10401
06:41:40,760 --> 06:41:42,600
>> And does that also affect when we would

10402
06:41:42,600 --> 06:41:43,680
add them?

10403
06:41:43,680 --> 06:41:45,640
>> It could determine that as well.

10404
06:41:45,640 --> 06:41:46,560
>> issue, correct?

10405
06:41:46,560 --> 06:41:47,640
>> Yes.

10406
06:41:47,640 --> 06:41:51,400
>> If I can add to to Brandon's point of

10407
06:41:51,400 --> 06:41:54,000
figuring out the revenue source

10408
06:41:54,000 --> 06:41:57,120
also what we would

10409
06:41:57,120 --> 06:41:59,080
ideally come back to you as part of the

10410
06:41:59,080 --> 06:42:01,680
overall short-term rental consideration

10411
06:42:01,680 --> 06:42:04,040
and long-term

10412
06:42:04,040 --> 06:42:05,520
uh

10413
06:42:05,520 --> 06:42:08,920
licensing and permitting enforcement is

10414
06:42:08,920 --> 06:42:12,320
associated fees to go along with that

10415
06:42:12,320 --> 06:42:14,280
and then I'd also say

10416
06:42:14,280 --> 06:42:16,680
uh we would also we would also look at

10417
06:42:16,680 --> 06:42:21,120
the cost of code enforcement officers

10418
06:42:21,120 --> 06:42:23,040
um potentially

10419
06:42:23,040 --> 06:42:23,600
uh

10420
06:42:23,600 --> 06:42:26,320
not maybe not necessarily

10421
06:42:26,320 --> 06:42:33,760
uh police officers per se um because the pay ranges might be different

10422
06:42:33,760 --> 06:42:36,760
between those titles. Of course, code

10423
06:42:36,760 --> 06:42:38,080
enforcement or our neighborhood

10424
06:42:38,080 --> 06:42:40,120
improvement team is in the police

10425
06:42:40,120 --> 06:42:43,840
department, but they're not sworn peace

10426
06:42:43,840 --> 06:42:44,520
officers.

10427
06:42:44,520 --> 06:42:46,080
>> Okay, so so you're saying that costs

10428
06:42:46,080 --> 06:42:47,760
could be reflected differently from

10429
06:42:47,760 --> 06:42:48,320
this?

10430
06:42:48,320 --> 06:42:51,280
>> So so that the total cost of salary,

10431
06:42:51,280 --> 06:42:54,920
benefits, equipment, etc.

10432
06:42:54,920 --> 06:42:56,360
would likely be different than what

10433
06:42:56,360 --> 06:42:58,640
we're seeing here for police officers.

10434
06:42:58,640 --> 06:43:00,200
>> just to clarify,

10435
06:43:00,200 --> 06:43:03,120
we do we can do truth in taxation

10436
06:43:03,120 --> 06:43:05,120
this time of year.

10437
06:43:05,120 --> 06:43:06,440
So when do we have to always do that? We

10438
06:43:06,440 --> 06:43:07,480
can do it once a year?

10439
06:43:07,480 --> 06:43:07,840
>> Yes.

10440
06:43:07,840 --> 06:43:09,840
>> And we have to do it by August or by

10441
06:43:09,840 --> 06:43:10,600
now, June.

10442
06:43:10,600 --> 06:43:12,760
>> We have to do it by Yes, June 9th. Yeah,

10443
06:43:12,760 --> 06:43:13,520
or June

10444
06:43:13,520 --> 06:43:15,080
>> So that's why you said we have to wait a

10445
06:43:15,080 --> 06:43:16,560
year, just to clarify.

10446
06:43:16,560 --> 06:43:18,240
>> Yes. Yeah.

10447
06:43:18,240 --> 06:43:19,960
That first meeting in June, we have to

10448
06:43:19,960 --> 06:43:21,520
have already notified them that we're

10449
06:43:21,520 --> 06:43:23,080
going to move forward with a property

10450
06:43:23,080 --> 06:43:25,680
tax increase so that I can get a date in

10451
06:43:25,680 --> 06:43:28,840
August with the county auditor.

10452
06:43:28,840 --> 06:43:31,080
>> So the licensing is

10453
06:43:31,080 --> 06:43:34,120
most likely the way we're going to go

10454
06:43:34,120 --> 06:43:36,360
to fund these additional

10455
06:43:36,360 --> 06:43:39,120
>> At least for initial

10456
06:43:39,120 --> 06:43:41,640
increased enforcement,

10457
06:43:41,640 --> 06:43:44,360
we we would look at landlord licensing

10458
06:43:44,360 --> 06:43:47,240
fees and and probably engage with LRB to

10459
06:43:47,240 --> 06:43:49,920
help us do that fee study to make sure

10460
06:43:49,920 --> 06:43:51,640
that there's a good nexus there.

10461
06:43:51,640 --> 06:43:55,390
>> Perfectly.

10462
06:43:55,400 --> 06:43:56,800
» Okay, I'm

10463
06:43:56,800 --> 06:43:59,520
moving on to our streets. And again,

10464
06:43:59,520 --> 06:44:01,320
we've touched on this in part of the

10465
06:44:01,320 --> 06:44:02,880
work session where we discussed capital

10466
06:44:02,880 --> 06:44:05,120
projects. This is just kind of giving

10467
06:44:05,120 --> 06:44:07,880
you an idea of you know, that was more

10468
06:44:07,880 --> 06:44:10,320
in total. This kind of breaks that out

10469
06:44:10,320 --> 06:44:12,240
between the two different funds that we

10470
06:44:12,240 --> 06:44:15,160
have and and which type of project is

10471
06:44:15,160 --> 06:44:17,960
being funded by which revenue source

10472
06:44:17,960 --> 06:44:20,480
just so you kind of have some idea

10473
06:44:20,480 --> 06:44:23,200
as to what our our plans are in this

10474
06:44:23,200 --> 06:44:27,200
that are in this tentative budget.

10475
06:44:27,200 --> 06:44:29,280
Our debt service fund

10476
06:44:29,280 --> 06:44:31,920
obviously here in Utah we're very

10477
06:44:31,920 --> 06:44:34,800
attuned to our debt elements.

10478
06:44:34,800 --> 06:44:36,720
This just gives you that breakdown kind

10479
06:44:36,720 --> 06:44:39,720
of a little slight history here of of

10480
06:44:39,720 --> 06:44:41,640
what that debt service fund primarily

10481
06:44:41,640 --> 06:44:44,120
covers. The primary elements right now

10482
06:44:44,120 --> 06:44:46,800
of that are the Utopia payment that we

10483
06:44:46,800 --> 06:44:49,960
had a discussion about earlier today.

10484
06:44:49,960 --> 06:44:53,040
The new 2024 sales tax revenue bonds

10485
06:44:53,040 --> 06:44:55,040
primarily funding the public safety

10486
06:44:55,040 --> 06:44:57,080
building remodel and the fire training

10487
06:44:57,080 --> 06:44:58,680
facility.

10488
06:44:58,680 --> 06:45:02,400
As well as we have a lease where we did

10489
06:45:02,400 --> 06:45:05,040
a bunch of energy improvements

10490
06:45:05,040 --> 06:45:07,560
and so that lease runs through this fund

10491
06:45:07,560 --> 06:45:09,000
as well.

10492
06:45:09,000 --> 06:45:10,880
And all so those are the three major

10493
06:45:10,880 --> 06:45:12,480
elements in the and then the GO bond the

10494
06:45:12,480 --> 06:45:15,320
2019 GO bond which is the only GO bond

10495
06:45:15,320 --> 06:45:17,560
we had left which funded city

10496
06:45:17,560 --> 06:45:18,200
um

10497
06:45:18,200 --> 06:45:21,680
the library hall and the fitness center.

10498
06:45:21,680 --> 06:45:23,960
So those are the four items that are

10499
06:45:23,960 --> 06:45:30,950
part of um the debt service fund.

10500
06:45:30,960 --> 06:45:32,960
I mentioned our five internal service

10501
06:45:32,960 --> 06:45:35,240
funds just again just to give you an

10502
06:45:35,240 --> 06:45:37,480
idea of the magnitude of each of those

10503
06:45:37,480 --> 06:45:39,880
particular funds

10504
06:45:39,880 --> 06:45:42,480
and the dollars how they break down

10505
06:45:42,480 --> 06:45:44,000
between personnel operations and

10506
06:45:44,000 --> 06:45:45,840
capital.

10507
06:45:45,840 --> 06:45:48,320
The biggest item of change in these

10508
06:45:48,320 --> 06:45:50,880
particular ones is as discussed in our

10509
06:45:50,880 --> 06:45:52,600
work sessions and as what I wanted to

10510
06:45:52,600 --> 06:45:54,120
mention here is in our information

10511
06:45:54,120 --> 06:45:55,560
technology

10512
06:45:55,560 --> 06:45:57,360
area.

10513
06:45:57,360 --> 06:45:59,720
That 5,050,000

10514
06:45:59,720 --> 06:46:02,040
that you see there the prior year was

10515
06:46:02,040 --> 06:46:05,320
just just around 4.2 million.

10516
06:46:05,320 --> 06:46:08,600
So that $800,000 increase

10517
06:46:08,600 --> 06:46:11,800
is related to some of some regular you

10518
06:46:11,800 --> 06:46:12,480
know

10519
06:46:12,480 --> 06:46:16,800
pay increase items but these particular

10520
06:46:16,800 --> 06:46:18,400
operational expansion items which we

10521
06:46:18,400 --> 06:46:20,640
discussed in those work sessions. So

10522
06:46:20,640 --> 06:46:23,040
these particular three

10523
06:46:23,040 --> 06:46:25,560
four individuals well three individuals

10524
06:46:25,560 --> 06:46:27,080
and an intern so the interns a

10525
06:46:27,080 --> 06:46:28,400
part-time.

10526
06:46:28,400 --> 06:46:32,280
And so they make up that amount and

10527
06:46:32,280 --> 06:46:35,440
various elements that

10528
06:46:35,440 --> 06:46:39,320
as IT goes I know not what many of those

10529
06:46:39,320 --> 06:46:41,840
things even do or are but I know they're

10530
06:46:41,840 --> 06:46:43,600
all important.

10531
06:46:43,600 --> 06:46:44,920
So

10532
06:46:44,920 --> 06:46:46,720
they add up the two of those and you're

10533
06:46:46,720 --> 06:46:52,150
600 of the $800,000 increase.

10534
06:46:52,160 --> 06:46:53,920
All I know is that Azure one I have to

10535
06:46:53,920 --> 06:46:56,120
put in a stinking password all the time

10536
06:46:56,120 --> 06:46:59,110
so

10537
06:46:59,120 --> 06:47:02,950
yeah.

10538
06:47:02,960 --> 06:47:05,240
So moving on to the starting into our

10539
06:47:05,240 --> 06:47:07,320
enterprise funds. Well before I do that

10540
06:47:07,320 --> 06:47:09,080
is there anything else that's popped in

10541
06:47:09,080 --> 06:47:11,400
your mind about anything that's not

10542
06:47:11,400 --> 06:47:14,920
enterprise fund related? Okay, great.

10543
06:47:14,920 --> 06:47:18,040
Water fund so this year the bigger

10544
06:47:18,040 --> 06:47:20,480
biggest items in there are the increases

10545
06:47:20,480 --> 06:47:22,040
over on the left side you see the water

10546
06:47:22,040 --> 06:47:23,480
source fee

10547
06:47:23,480 --> 06:47:25,320
and the change there to that fee down in

10548
06:47:25,320 --> 06:47:27,840
the bottom left corner the the new state

10549
06:47:27,840 --> 06:47:30,120
regulatory fee which all of these we've

10550
06:47:30,120 --> 06:47:32,840
discussed we discussed when we

10551
06:47:32,840 --> 06:47:34,760
brought the revenue work session item to

10552
06:47:34,760 --> 06:47:37,240
you but they're all uh

10553
06:47:37,240 --> 06:47:39,320
put into this slide here

10554
06:47:39,320 --> 06:47:41,480
and the water base rate on a 3/4 meter

10555
06:47:41,480 --> 06:47:44,480
and then you know the base rates as

10556
06:47:44,480 --> 06:47:45,800
mentioned down there on other meter

10557
06:47:45,800 --> 06:47:48,760
sizes are are shown in the fees and

10558
06:47:48,760 --> 06:47:52,120
charges section of the tentative budget.

10559
06:47:52,120 --> 06:47:54,360
Um

10560
06:47:54,360 --> 06:47:57,600
just to give you an idea in relation to

10561
06:47:57,600 --> 06:48:00,480
our water and how that

10562
06:48:00,480 --> 06:48:01,480
water

10563
06:48:01,480 --> 06:48:03,960
even with those increases where Orem

10564
06:48:03,960 --> 06:48:06,840
City's rate for water falls on the scale

10565
06:48:06,840 --> 06:48:08,920
comparative to

10566
06:48:08,920 --> 06:48:12,160
these particular cities. Um each each

10567
06:48:12,160 --> 06:48:13,320
one of these is going to show a slide

10568
06:48:13,320 --> 06:48:15,480
similar to this but you should know

10569
06:48:15,480 --> 06:48:16,040
Uh,

10570
06:48:16,040 --> 06:48:18,920
of the cities I changed, but that's

10571
06:48:18,920 --> 06:48:21,320
because I wanted to put the highest one

10572
06:48:21,320 --> 06:48:24,640
in and the lowest one in, so that you

10573
06:48:24,640 --> 06:48:27,560
had some reference as to

10574
06:48:27,560 --> 06:48:29,640
that full, cuz this isn't every city

10575
06:48:29,640 --> 06:48:32,080
that you saw on that uh, other

10576
06:48:32,080 --> 06:48:34,840
comparison, right? Um, and so I just

10577
06:48:34,840 --> 06:48:37,040
wanted to make sure you we could see the

10578
06:48:37,040 --> 06:48:39,040
range that we're talking about in

10579
06:48:39,040 --> 06:48:40,960
relation to the highest and the lowest

10580
06:48:40,960 --> 06:48:44,550
of that of those tables.

10581
06:48:44,560 --> 06:48:46,960
Our water reclamation, otherwise known

10582
06:48:46,960 --> 06:48:50,720
as sewer. Um, you can see the costs in

10583
06:48:50,720 --> 06:48:53,800
relation to the kind of a historical

10584
06:48:53,800 --> 06:48:56,360
um, size-wise there, as well as the

10585
06:48:56,360 --> 06:48:58,760
sewer base uh, base rate increase that

10586
06:48:58,760 --> 06:49:00,640
is being proposed and the volume charge

10587
06:49:00,640 --> 06:49:02,960
associated with um, that increase as

10588
06:49:02,960 --> 06:49:03,880
well.

10589
06:49:03,880 --> 06:49:05,440
>> Can I just say something to that? Just,

10590
06:49:05,440 --> 06:49:07,280
you know, so just

10591
06:49:07,280 --> 06:49:10,280
common sense. This is inflation, folks.

10592
06:49:10,280 --> 06:49:10,800
>> It is.

10593
06:49:10,800 --> 06:49:11,960
>> Right. Okay.

10594
06:49:11,960 --> 06:49:13,840
>> Yes.

10595
06:49:13,840 --> 06:49:16,000
You bet.

10596
06:49:16,000 --> 06:49:18,760
Take a pipe with corrosion inside of it,

10597
06:49:18,760 --> 06:49:20,560
right, Chris?

10598
06:49:20,560 --> 06:49:21,880
>> It's struvite, yes.

10599
06:49:21,880 --> 06:49:24,680
>> Yeah.

10600
06:49:24,680 --> 06:49:26,800
Okay. I said corrosion. He said

10601
06:49:26,800 --> 06:49:31,150
struvite.

10602
06:49:31,160 --> 06:49:32,720
Cholesterol in your arteries what he

10603
06:49:32,720 --> 06:49:45,990
says.

10604
06:49:46,000 --> 06:49:48,240
» Okay. So, no none of our public's

10605
06:49:48,240 --> 06:49:49,560
hearing you say that, so I want that's

10606
06:49:49,560 --> 06:49:51,320
important. I want you to say that.

10607
06:49:51,320 --> 06:49:54,080
>> So, so he's he's just indicating, so we

10608
06:49:54,080 --> 06:49:55,680
always have inflation. We we have

10609
06:49:55,680 --> 06:49:58,200
construction inflation still, not as bad

10610
06:49:58,200 --> 06:49:59,640
as it maybe it was been in the last

10611
06:49:59,640 --> 06:50:01,960
little while, but most of this increase

10612
06:50:01,960 --> 06:50:04,320
is related to unfunded man federal

10613
06:50:04,320 --> 06:50:06,480
mandates primarily

10614
06:50:06,480 --> 06:50:08,120
and which we're just needing to cover.

10615
06:50:08,120 --> 06:50:08,840
>> good to add.

10616
06:50:08,840 --> 06:50:11,600
>> To remove nutrients and various things.

10617
06:50:11,600 --> 06:50:13,040
>> Okay. Thank you.

10618
06:50:13,040 --> 06:50:14,680
>> So, improvements to the wastewater

10619
06:50:14,680 --> 06:50:17,720
treatment plant, which then causes us to

10620
06:50:17,720 --> 06:50:20,520
do major capital improvement projects.

10621
06:50:20,520 --> 06:50:22,960
And so, then we have construction

10622
06:50:22,960 --> 06:50:25,160
inflation associated with doing those

10623
06:50:25,160 --> 06:50:28,350
capital improvements.

10624
06:50:28,360 --> 06:50:30,600
» Um then just to give you an idea again

10625
06:50:30,600 --> 06:50:33,080
where War falls in the pantheon of

10626
06:50:33,080 --> 06:50:36,120
cities in relation to these

10627
06:50:36,120 --> 06:50:38,080
the fees um

10628
06:50:38,080 --> 06:50:40,560
for everybody else and and be still fair

10629
06:50:40,560 --> 06:50:42,960
even with these especially these last 3

10630
06:50:42,960 --> 06:50:47,760
years the rather large increases we've had in our fee

10631
06:50:47,760 --> 06:50:50,160
we still sit pretty well comparatively

10632
06:50:50,160 --> 06:50:50,920
speaking.

10633
06:50:50,920 --> 06:50:53,960
>> And Brandon, just to emphasize these

10634
06:50:53,960 --> 06:50:59,240
tables here are War's proposed FY 27

10635
06:50:59,240 --> 06:51:02,360
rates with the other cities FY 26

10636
06:51:02,360 --> 06:51:04,160
existing rates, correct?

10637
06:51:04,160 --> 06:51:05,440
>> Correct. And there is a table at the

10638
06:51:05,440 --> 06:51:08,320
very end where we kind of sum them all

10639
06:51:08,320 --> 06:51:10,800
together with

10640
06:51:10,800 --> 06:51:15,520
an increase a standard 4.9% increase to

10641
06:51:15,520 --> 06:51:18,360
everybody else's to see where we stand

10642
06:51:18,360 --> 06:51:19,960
in a total.

10643
06:51:19,960 --> 06:51:22,440
So, you'll see that but these are all

10644
06:51:22,440 --> 06:51:25,320
compared our 27 versus whatever their

10645
06:51:25,320 --> 06:51:30,030
existing rate is.

10646
06:51:30,040 --> 06:51:31,600
Stormwater

10647
06:51:31,600 --> 06:51:33,520
again kind of you can see a history

10648
06:51:33,520 --> 06:51:34,640
there

10649
06:51:34,640 --> 06:51:36,320
in relation to and we have a lot of

10650
06:51:36,320 --> 06:51:38,840
stormwater projects that we're trying to

10651
06:51:38,840 --> 06:51:40,760
get resolved related to obviously the

10652
06:51:40,760 --> 06:51:42,320
West Union Canal, North Union Canal,

10653
06:51:42,320 --> 06:51:43,640
etc.

10654
06:51:43,640 --> 06:51:45,400
Trying to figure out how to get those

10655
06:51:45,400 --> 06:51:47,120
taken care of.

10656
06:51:47,120 --> 06:51:50,640
There is an increase to the ESU rate

10657
06:51:50,640 --> 06:51:52,320
in relation to that in this in this

10658
06:51:52,320 --> 06:51:54,160
budget.

10659
06:51:54,160 --> 06:51:56,480
Um and then you can see where War City

10660
06:51:56,480 --> 06:51:59,280
falls with that new proposed rate

10661
06:51:59,280 --> 06:52:04,030
in comparison to other cities.

10662
06:52:04,040 --> 06:52:06,880
Um our recreation fund

10663
06:52:06,880 --> 06:52:10,880
they're they're just boring 4.4 4.

10664
06:52:10,880 --> 06:52:13,240
4.6.

10665
06:52:13,240 --> 06:52:16,590
>> Can you do something about that?

10666
06:52:16,600 --> 06:52:17,560
» Um

10667
06:52:17,560 --> 06:52:19,760
the the biggest item to to note are the

10668
06:52:19,760 --> 06:52:22,280
two items on the right um that uh we are

10669
06:52:22,280 --> 06:52:24,520
increasing the uh daily admission at the

10670
06:52:24,520 --> 06:52:26,320
fitness center for the first time in

10671
06:52:26,320 --> 06:52:28,280
over 3 years.

10672
06:52:28,280 --> 06:52:29,920
Um so

10673
06:52:29,920 --> 06:52:30,680
you know

10674
06:52:30,680 --> 06:52:32,760
and then the indoor classes continues to

10675
06:52:32,760 --> 06:52:35,600
grow, maybe not quite as uh big of a

10676
06:52:35,600 --> 06:52:37,520
percentage jump as in past some past

10677
06:52:37,520 --> 06:52:39,960
years, but uh 10% still a pretty good

10678
06:52:39,960 --> 06:52:44,590
growth rate, so.

10679
06:52:44,600 --> 06:52:46,800
Our solid waste fund

10680
06:52:46,800 --> 06:52:47,920
um

10681
06:52:47,920 --> 06:52:50,040
you can you can see the increases that

10682
06:52:50,040 --> 06:52:52,760
have have occurred there. Uh we recently

10683
06:52:52,760 --> 06:52:56,240
have uh negotiated a a expan- extension

10684
06:52:56,240 --> 06:52:58,240
of our uh solid waste contract with

10685
06:52:58,240 --> 06:53:00,720
Waste Management. Um um

10686
06:53:00,720 --> 06:53:03,040
so that hopefully will be steady here

10687
06:53:03,040 --> 06:53:06,520
for the next uh few years. Um and then

10688
06:53:06,520 --> 06:53:08,200
just give you an idea of what those

10689
06:53:08,200 --> 06:53:11,040
rates you can see from 25 to 26, we held

10690
06:53:11,040 --> 06:53:13,840
the rates with no increase.

10691
06:53:13,840 --> 06:53:15,400
Um and then the current rates are all a

10692
06:53:15,400 --> 06:53:19,040
2 and 1/2% increase uh from 26 to this

10693
06:53:19,040 --> 06:53:20,560
proposed budget.

10694
06:53:20,560 --> 06:53:22,720
Um and those are primarily just trying

10695
06:53:22,720 --> 06:53:26,480
to pass on the costs of of our uh rate

10696
06:53:26,480 --> 06:53:31,080
increases that uh Waste Management had given to us and to be honest in

10697
06:53:31,080 --> 06:53:34,560
prior years that we we used reserves to

10698
06:53:34,560 --> 06:53:37,040
cover, but now we need to cover those uh

10699
06:53:37,040 --> 06:53:40,470
going forward.

10700
06:53:40,480 --> 06:53:43,120
Um and then just again to kind of give

10701
06:53:43,120 --> 06:53:45,280
you an idea where we fall with our solid

10702
06:53:45,280 --> 06:53:47,840
waste rate comparatively to uh to other

10703
06:53:47,840 --> 06:53:50,510
cities.

10704
06:53:50,520 --> 06:53:54,000
And that total that I was referring to,

10705
06:53:54,000 --> 06:53:56,000
so this one um

10706
06:53:56,000 --> 06:53:58,800
includes them at that adjusted, so

10707
06:53:58,800 --> 06:54:01,480
everybody every city there is adjusted

10708
06:54:01,480 --> 06:54:05,160
by 4.9% in their total so that it trying

10709
06:54:05,160 --> 06:54:07,600
to give a better picture comparative to

10710
06:54:07,600 --> 06:54:08,680
our

10711
06:54:08,680 --> 06:54:11,800
27 rate and you can see that somehow we

10712
06:54:11,800 --> 06:54:14,120
just got to take Springville out.

10713
06:54:14,120 --> 06:54:17,080
So, I don't know what we got to do but

10714
06:54:17,080 --> 06:54:18,680
anyway

10715
06:54:18,680 --> 06:54:20,640
yeah.

10716
06:54:20,640 --> 06:54:22,640
So, that's

10717
06:54:22,640 --> 06:54:25,600
it for our regular tentative or regular

10718
06:54:25,600 --> 06:54:28,040
budget. Are there any questions in

10719
06:54:28,040 --> 06:54:30,200
relation to as mentioned?

10720
06:54:30,200 --> 06:54:33,280
Uh you are being just presented this to

10721
06:54:33,280 --> 06:54:34,280
you.

10722
06:54:34,280 --> 06:54:37,680
I you're welcome to review with whatever

10723
06:54:37,680 --> 06:54:39,800
questions you may have review the actual

10724
06:54:39,800 --> 06:54:42,160
tentative budget document.

10725
06:54:42,160 --> 06:54:44,880
Please do go through that if you if you

10726
06:54:44,880 --> 06:54:46,240
have certain questions that are in

10727
06:54:46,240 --> 06:54:48,520
there. Trevor Bell or myself will be

10728
06:54:48,520 --> 06:54:51,360
happy to to answer try to answer those.

10729
06:54:51,360 --> 06:54:55,160
I I can almost guarantee you might find

10730
06:54:55,160 --> 06:54:59,560
an error or two in spelling or the how

10731
06:54:59,560 --> 06:55:01,520
aesthetics or things like that. We're

10732
06:55:01,520 --> 06:55:04,120
still trying to work through our new

10733
06:55:04,120 --> 06:55:06,440
ClearGov budgeting program. It's only

10734
06:55:06,440 --> 06:55:08,280
the second year that we've fully used

10735
06:55:08,280 --> 06:55:09,600
that program.

10736
06:55:09,600 --> 06:55:10,800
And so we can

10737
06:55:10,800 --> 06:55:13,840
continue to find things that

10738
06:55:13,840 --> 06:55:15,600
we didn't know before. So, we're we're

10739
06:55:15,600 --> 06:55:18,760
trying to improve there as well. So,

10740
06:55:18,760 --> 06:55:20,760
we would appreciate that if you found

10741
06:55:20,760 --> 06:55:22,320
things in there that didn't make sense

10742
06:55:22,320 --> 06:55:24,320
or look weird or whatnot that you could

10743
06:55:24,320 --> 06:55:27,120
bring those to our attention as well.

10744
06:55:27,120 --> 06:55:29,160
>> All right, thank you. Council, do you

10745
06:55:29,160 --> 06:55:31,120
have any questions? Council member Gale.

10746
06:55:31,120 --> 06:55:32,680
>> I just have a comment and that is you've

10747
06:55:32,680 --> 06:55:34,120
been going over this with us for months

10748
06:55:34,120 --> 06:55:35,840
and months and and we appreciate the

10749
06:55:35,840 --> 06:55:37,440
effort. I know it takes a ton of work

10750
06:55:37,440 --> 06:55:38,800
and you've done a great job. So, thank

10751
06:55:38,800 --> 06:55:39,440
you.

10752
06:55:39,440 --> 06:55:40,800
>> Thank you.

10753
06:55:40,800 --> 06:55:42,480
>> All right, thank you.

10754
06:55:42,480 --> 06:55:43,080
Uh

10755
06:55:43,080 --> 06:55:46,480
this is a public hearing

10756
06:55:46,480 --> 06:55:48,400
and we have one esteemed member in the

10757
06:55:48,400 --> 06:55:51,720
audience who has declined by shaking his

10758
06:55:51,720 --> 06:55:54,520
head to that

10759
06:55:54,520 --> 06:55:57,520
provide any public comment at this time.

10760
06:55:57,520 --> 06:55:59,080
You're a good sport that I could tease

10761
06:55:59,080 --> 06:56:01,830
you a little bit.

10762
06:56:01,840 --> 06:56:03,400
All right, I'm going to open the public

10763
06:56:03,400 --> 06:56:05,960
hearing and I'm going to close the

10764
06:56:05,960 --> 06:56:08,120
public hearing and bring it back to the

10765
06:56:08,120 --> 06:56:11,670
council.

10766
06:56:11,680 --> 06:56:14,600
So, we have uh

10767
06:56:14,600 --> 06:56:16,880
I say we can't we can't tentatively

10768
06:56:16,880 --> 06:56:18,640
accept the budget. We have to accept the

10769
06:56:18,640 --> 06:56:20,520
tentative budget. So, this you got to be

10770
06:56:20,520 --> 06:56:22,800
pretty solid in your motion if you can

10771
06:56:22,800 --> 06:56:24,200
>> I'll make your motion

10772
06:56:24,200 --> 06:56:24,960
>> for you.

10773
06:56:24,960 --> 06:56:27,000
>> I move to accept for consideration the

10774
06:56:27,000 --> 06:56:29,880
City of Orem fiscal year 2026-2027

10775
06:56:29,880 --> 06:56:32,280
tentative budget and set a public

10776
06:56:32,280 --> 06:56:34,480
hearing to receive public comment and to

10777
06:56:34,480 --> 06:56:37,360
accept, modify, or reject this tentative

10778
06:56:37,360 --> 06:56:41,120
budget on June 9th, 2026 at 6:00 p.m.

10779
06:56:41,120 --> 06:56:43,240
and to set the specific date and time

10780
06:56:43,240 --> 06:56:45,600
for an August public hearing to accept

10781
06:56:45,600 --> 06:56:47,560
public comment on the proposed public

10782
06:56:47,560 --> 06:56:49,880
safety special revenue fund property tax

10783
06:56:49,880 --> 06:56:52,200
increase.

10784
06:56:52,200 --> 06:56:52,800
>> I

10785
06:56:52,800 --> 06:56:53,800
second that.

10786
06:56:53,800 --> 06:56:55,000
>> All right, we have a motion and a

10787
06:56:55,000 --> 06:56:57,920
second. Where did I leave off? Let me

10788
06:56:57,920 --> 06:56:59,440
see.

10789
06:56:59,440 --> 06:57:00,120
Uh

10790
06:57:00,120 --> 06:57:03,200
So, we took it uh

10791
06:57:03,200 --> 06:57:04,880
Let's go ahead. Council member Gale, how

10792
06:57:04,880 --> 06:57:05,760
do you vote?

10793
06:57:05,760 --> 06:57:12,880
>> I.

10794
06:57:12,880 --> 06:57:15,800
>> All right, motion carries.

10795
06:57:15,800 --> 06:57:17,320
All right.

10796
06:57:17,320 --> 06:57:19,880
Item 10.8,

10797
06:57:19,880 --> 06:57:21,840
statement that the city is considering

10798
06:57:21,840 --> 06:57:23,640
levying a tax rate that exceeds the

10799
06:57:23,640 --> 06:57:25,720
city's certified tax rate, the

10800
06:57:25,720 --> 06:57:27,920
approximate dollar amount of and purpose

10801
06:57:27,920 --> 06:57:29,640
for the additional tax revenue that

10802
06:57:29,640 --> 06:57:31,680
would be generated by the proposed tax

10803
06:57:31,680 --> 06:57:33,680
increase, the approximate percentage

10804
06:57:33,680 --> 06:57:35,760
increase in tax revenue for the city

10805
06:57:35,760 --> 06:57:39,520
based on proposed tax rate increase,

10806
06:57:39,520 --> 06:57:41,240
and that if the city proceeds with a

10807
06:57:41,240 --> 06:57:43,320
proposed tax rate increase, the city

10808
06:57:43,320 --> 06:57:45,000
will write notice and conduct a public

10809
06:57:45,000 --> 06:57:46,920
hearing at which members of the public

10810
06:57:46,920 --> 06:57:49,160
will have the opportunity to provide

10811
06:57:49,160 --> 06:57:51,240
comments on the proposed tax rate

10812
06:57:51,240 --> 06:57:53,200
increase and presentation of the

10813
06:57:53,200 --> 06:57:56,080
property tax impact schedule. Period.

10814
06:57:56,080 --> 06:57:58,240
That is a long sentence.

10815
06:57:58,240 --> 06:58:00,400
>> Congratulations for completing that.

10816
06:58:00,400 --> 06:58:02,200
>> You are welcome. I did even though I

10817
06:58:02,200 --> 06:58:03,680
went to school in another state, I

10818
06:58:03,680 --> 06:58:05,280
learned to read.

10819
06:58:05,280 --> 06:58:08,240
>> You want to know who wrote that?

10820
06:58:08,240 --> 06:58:13,270
An attorney.

10821
06:58:13,280 --> 06:58:16,240
» Paid by the word, right?

10822
06:58:16,240 --> 06:58:17,840
>> And even if it wasn't, Steve.

10823
06:58:17,840 --> 06:58:20,680
>> this statement requires will require an

10824
06:58:20,680 --> 06:58:23,440
action from us as a council after

10825
06:58:23,440 --> 06:58:26,440
Brandon does his presentation.

10826
06:58:26,440 --> 06:58:28,360
>> Yes, thank you, Mayor.

10827
06:58:28,360 --> 06:58:30,160
So, as part of again, as part of new

10828
06:58:30,160 --> 06:58:32,560
legislation in relation to property tax

10829
06:58:32,560 --> 06:58:33,880
increases,

10830
06:58:33,880 --> 06:58:36,560
part of the requirement is number one, I

10831
06:58:36,560 --> 06:58:38,880
as mentioned previously, I have to state

10832
06:58:38,880 --> 06:58:40,560
that that tentative budget included a

10833
06:58:40,560 --> 06:58:42,400
property tax increase.

10834
06:58:42,400 --> 06:58:45,240
That that tentative budget includes a

10835
06:58:45,240 --> 06:58:49,480
separate line item so that you can see

10836
06:58:49,480 --> 06:58:51,440
the amount of the property tax increase

10837
06:58:51,440 --> 06:58:53,040
that is being proposed. So, in that

10838
06:58:53,040 --> 06:58:54,760
tentative budget, you will see that line

10839
06:58:54,760 --> 06:58:57,200
item existing within there.

10840
06:58:57,200 --> 06:59:00,080
And then the third item is that there's

10841
06:59:00,080 --> 06:59:02,840
a separate agenda item related to this

10842
06:59:02,840 --> 06:59:06,080
property tax impact schedule um

10843
06:59:06,080 --> 06:59:09,480
outlining what is the amount that we're

10844
06:59:09,480 --> 06:59:11,800
asking for in relation to the property

10845
06:59:11,800 --> 06:59:13,400
tax increase.

10846
06:59:13,400 --> 06:59:15,480
That is this $450,000

10847
06:59:15,480 --> 06:59:18,600
as stated in that first paragraph.

10848
06:59:18,600 --> 06:59:22,040
Um and then uh gives you an idea of what

10849
06:59:22,040 --> 06:59:25,000
our And and since I don't know what our

10850
06:59:25,000 --> 06:59:26,960
what the certified tax rate is going to

10851
06:59:26,960 --> 06:59:29,400
be yet, I don't know that until the 1st

10852
06:59:29,400 --> 06:59:32,680
of June, that is what our current

10853
06:59:32,680 --> 06:59:35,360
certified property tax rate is.

10854
06:59:35,360 --> 06:59:38,080
And then what the budgeted revenue based

10855
06:59:38,080 --> 06:59:42,520
off of that rate was for 2025.

10856
06:59:42,520 --> 06:59:44,960
>> And that is again, just for the city of

10857
06:59:44,960 --> 06:59:46,320
Orem's portion.

10858
06:59:46,320 --> 06:59:47,360
>> Correct.

10859
06:59:47,360 --> 06:59:50,360
>> Not the entire property tax one pays.

10860
06:59:50,360 --> 06:59:51,920
>> So, all the Not include the school

10861
06:59:51,920 --> 06:59:54,000
district or the county or any of the

10862
06:59:54,000 --> 06:59:54,600
other rates.

10863
06:59:54,600 --> 06:59:55,760
>> Which please specific to WARMS.

10864
06:59:55,760 --> 06:59:57,960
>> Please say, do you have in front of you

10865
06:59:57,960 --> 07:00:00,240
the dollar amount per month it is

10866
07:00:00,240 --> 07:00:03,320
anticipated to be on a $550

10867
07:00:03,320 --> 07:00:04,480
>> Getting there.

10868
07:00:04,480 --> 07:00:05,840
But but thank you for bringing that up.

10869
07:00:05,840 --> 07:00:07,400
Yes. So, and

10870
07:00:07,400 --> 07:00:08,840
>> You have a segue, right?

10871
07:00:08,840 --> 07:00:10,320
>> And you will notice that we in

10872
07:00:10,320 --> 07:00:11,880
parentheses there we've also then

10873
07:00:11,880 --> 07:00:14,680
indicated as as we've indicated earlier

10874
07:00:14,680 --> 07:00:17,160
we related to dedicating our property

10875
07:00:17,160 --> 07:00:18,400
tax

10876
07:00:18,400 --> 07:00:19,920
all of our property tax to that new

10877
07:00:19,920 --> 07:00:21,880
special revenue fund. We've also tried

10878
07:00:21,880 --> 07:00:27,360
to indicate here that current certified property tax rate

10879
07:00:27,360 --> 07:00:29,120
actually still belongs to the city. But

10880
07:00:29,120 --> 07:00:32,600
under what we are attempting to do

10881
07:00:32,600 --> 07:00:34,960
the this property tax increase would be

10882
07:00:34,960 --> 07:00:37,720
going towards public safety and would be

10883
07:00:37,720 --> 07:00:40,080
included within that special revenue

10884
07:00:40,080 --> 07:00:42,880
fund that is going to be part of the the

10885
07:00:42,880 --> 07:00:45,000
budget. And then

10886
07:00:45,000 --> 07:00:46,360
>> Let's see if I can scroll down here a

10887
07:00:46,360 --> 07:00:47,440
little bit.

10888
07:00:47,440 --> 07:00:50,760
>> You can see the increase of the 450,000

10889
07:00:50,760 --> 07:00:53,760
and what that would mean to our revenue.

10890
07:00:53,760 --> 07:00:55,760
And then that means that that's an

10891
07:00:55,760 --> 07:00:58,040
approximately a seven little over 7%

10892
07:00:58,040 --> 07:01:01,000
increase. To council member Millett's

10893
07:01:01,000 --> 07:01:03,680
point then we have a calculations here

10894
07:01:03,680 --> 07:01:06,560
of what that means to an average primary

10895
07:01:06,560 --> 07:01:09,480
residence. The 513,000 comes from the

10896
07:01:09,480 --> 07:01:10,840
county.

10897
07:01:10,840 --> 07:01:15,320
And so that would equate to an $11.85

10898
07:01:15,320 --> 07:01:17,800
annual increase. So, I'm going to have

10899
07:01:17,800 --> 07:01:19,320
to make you do a little bit of math.

10900
07:01:19,320 --> 07:01:22,040
>> Less than a dollar a month.

10901
07:01:22,040 --> 07:01:24,400
And then for a residence and then you

10902
07:01:24,400 --> 07:01:26,440
can see the business one is just a

10903
07:01:26,440 --> 07:01:30,120
little over $2 a month in relation to to

10904
07:01:30,120 --> 07:01:32,320
that value for them.

10905
07:01:32,320 --> 07:01:35,160
It identifies here on this impact

10906
07:01:35,160 --> 07:01:36,800
schedule that it would be going to the

10907
07:01:36,800 --> 07:01:39,480
police department and be increasing

10908
07:01:39,480 --> 07:01:41,560
their budget accordingly

10909
07:01:41,560 --> 07:01:43,800
by that 450,000.

10910
07:01:43,800 --> 07:01:46,000
and the last item is what is that being

10911
07:01:46,000 --> 07:01:48,440
spent on and that is the we are hiring

10912
07:01:48,440 --> 07:01:50,520
two new officers and all the related

10913
07:01:50,520 --> 07:01:53,480
vehicles and equipment related to having

10914
07:01:53,480 --> 07:01:55,440
those officers.

10915
07:01:55,440 --> 07:01:57,320
So are there any questions about that

10916
07:01:57,320 --> 07:02:00,760
this impact schedule will be

10917
07:02:00,760 --> 07:02:03,560
posted online with everything else. It

10918
07:02:03,560 --> 07:02:06,280
does need to be posted front and and

10919
07:02:06,280 --> 07:02:09,520
center and this schedule needs to be

10920
07:02:09,520 --> 07:02:13,200
available to the public and so via not

10921
07:02:13,200 --> 07:02:15,840
only that method but if they

10922
07:02:15,840 --> 07:02:17,440
you know, we'll have it in a couple of

10923
07:02:17,440 --> 07:02:19,120
places as well so that they have it

10924
07:02:19,120 --> 07:02:22,320
available to them as well.

10925
07:02:22,320 --> 07:02:24,600
Any questions about anything on there

10926
07:02:24,600 --> 07:02:27,640
that I discussed?

10927
07:02:27,640 --> 07:02:30,440
>> Any questions Council?

10928
07:02:30,440 --> 07:02:32,640
All right, but looks like they've given

10929
07:02:32,640 --> 07:02:34,320
us a motion that's much shorter than

10930
07:02:34,320 --> 07:02:35,200
what

10931
07:02:35,200 --> 07:02:36,680
>> All those are done.

10932
07:02:36,680 --> 07:02:38,520
>> Yes, for someone if you would like to

10933
07:02:38,520 --> 07:02:39,480
make a motion.

10934
07:02:39,480 --> 07:02:41,840
>> I move to approve the resolution

10935
07:02:41,840 --> 07:02:43,760
acknowledging several state required

10936
07:02:43,760 --> 07:02:45,840
actions related to increasing the city

10937
07:02:45,840 --> 07:02:48,160
of Orem's property tax revenues as part

10938
07:02:48,160 --> 07:02:50,920
of the fiscal year 2026-2027

10939
07:02:50,920 --> 07:02:52,880
tentative budget.

10940
07:02:52,880 --> 07:02:54,080
>> Thank you we have a motion is there a

10941
07:02:54,080 --> 07:02:55,000
second?

10942
07:02:55,000 --> 07:02:56,120
>> I'll second that.

10943
07:02:56,120 --> 07:02:57,800
>> All right, thank you.

10944
07:02:57,800 --> 07:02:59,840
All right, we'll go ahead and start with

10945
07:02:59,840 --> 07:03:01,840
you Council member Lamson. Is there any

10946
07:03:01,840 --> 07:03:04,750
discussion?

10947
07:03:04,760 --> 07:03:05,480
All right.

10948
07:03:05,480 --> 07:03:12,520
>> I

10949
07:03:12,520 --> 07:03:14,320
>> All right, motion carries.

10950
07:03:14,320 --> 07:03:16,360
Next item on the agenda is city manager

10951
07:03:16,360 --> 07:03:19,790
information items.

10952
07:03:19,800 --> 07:03:22,160
What we've learned.

10953
07:03:22,160 --> 07:03:23,920
It says okay.

10954
07:03:23,920 --> 07:03:25,360
>> I hope it's okay if I'm closing all

10955
07:03:25,360 --> 07:03:28,870
these things.

10956
07:03:28,880 --> 07:03:31,000
» Um I just wanted to say thank you for

10957
07:03:31,000 --> 07:03:34,760
your full involve involvement uh

10958
07:03:34,760 --> 07:03:36,720
during the city's birthday 107th

10959
07:03:36,720 --> 07:03:39,640
birthday and kindness week. Uh we as

10960
07:03:39,640 --> 07:03:42,560
staff enjoyed seeing all of you help us

10961
07:03:42,560 --> 07:03:45,160
pass out birthday cake, and plant

10962
07:03:45,160 --> 07:03:47,080
flowers, and do service. So, thank you

10963
07:03:47,080 --> 07:03:50,960
so much. Uh the next big kind of city

10964
07:03:50,960 --> 07:03:53,840
event that we're looking forward to is

10965
07:03:53,840 --> 07:03:56,360
uh during Memorial Day weekend. First

10966
07:03:56,360 --> 07:03:58,400
with our Gold Star Family

10967
07:03:58,400 --> 07:04:00,520
Memorial dedication, and then with our

10968
07:04:00,520 --> 07:04:03,840
Memorial Day program at the cemetery on

10969
07:04:03,840 --> 07:04:05,720
the following Monday morning at 10:00

10970
07:04:05,720 --> 07:04:07,600
a.m. at the cemetery. So,

10971
07:04:07,600 --> 07:04:09,840
but again, thank you so much for being

10972
07:04:09,840 --> 07:04:12,120
so involved, and and sure appreciate

10973
07:04:12,120 --> 07:04:14,120
working with you.

10974
07:04:14,120 --> 07:04:16,280
>> Right, thank you. And just a reminder,

10975
07:04:16,280 --> 07:04:18,800
there is a Miss Orem and Miss

10976
07:04:18,800 --> 07:04:21,320
Teen Orem Orem Teen

10977
07:04:21,320 --> 07:04:24,840
pageant this weekend as well.

10978
07:04:24,840 --> 07:04:26,600
Um

10979
07:04:26,600 --> 07:04:27,920
there are no other pieces of no other

10980
07:04:27,920 --> 07:04:30,400
information. I would entertain a motion

10981
07:04:30,400 --> 07:04:33,600
to adjourn from this being from the City

10982
07:04:33,600 --> 07:04:36,440
Council meeting, and reconvening

10983
07:04:36,440 --> 07:04:37,160
uh

10984
07:04:37,160 --> 07:04:39,000
to a meeting of the Orem Redevelopment

10985
07:04:39,000 --> 07:04:39,800
Agency.

10986
07:04:39,800 --> 07:04:40,800
>> So moved.

10987
07:04:40,800 --> 07:04:42,280
>> All right, thank you. Is there a second?

10988
07:04:42,280 --> 07:04:42,960
>> Second.

10989
07:04:42,960 --> 07:04:45,240
>> All right, we have a second. Thank you.

10990
07:04:45,240 --> 07:04:45,920
Oh.

10991
07:04:45,920 --> 07:04:46,920
Open. Open.

10992
07:04:46,920 --> 07:04:50,320
>> I.

10993
07:04:50,320 --> 07:04:52,000
>> All right, motion This is like this

10994
07:04:52,000 --> 07:04:55,480
break over. We're This is great. You got

10995
07:04:55,480 --> 07:04:56,840
All right.

10996
07:04:56,840 --> 07:05:00,160
Welcome, Redevelopment Agency members.

10997
07:05:00,160 --> 07:05:02,800
Uh we have one item on our consent

10998
07:05:02,800 --> 07:05:04,120
calendar,

10999
07:05:04,120 --> 07:05:05,800
and that is approval of the meeting

11000
07:05:05,800 --> 07:05:08,360
minutes of December 9th, 2025. Do you

11001
07:05:08,360 --> 07:05:09,520
have a motion to approve?

11002
07:05:09,520 --> 07:05:11,880
>> I move to approve the consent items.

11003
07:05:11,880 --> 07:05:13,120
>> have a motion? Is there a second?

11004
07:05:13,120 --> 07:05:13,760
>> Second.

11005
07:05:13,760 --> 07:05:16,040
>> A second. Um

11006
07:05:16,040 --> 07:05:17,680
Councilman or

11007
07:05:17,680 --> 07:05:19,760
agent, whatever your title is, Mr.

11008
07:05:19,760 --> 07:05:21,320
Meekam.

11009
07:05:21,320 --> 07:05:26,280
>> I.

11010
07:05:26,280 --> 07:05:28,400
All right, I can vote twice. Never

11011
07:05:28,400 --> 07:05:30,440
mind. That was kids past my bedtime. I

11012
07:05:30,440 --> 07:05:32,600
apologize. Uh motion carries. That's

11013
07:05:32,600 --> 07:05:34,840
what I meant to say. All right, our next

11014
07:05:34,840 --> 07:05:37,520
item is number 14, RDA scheduled items

11015
07:05:37,520 --> 07:05:39,440
resolution redevelopment agency of the

11016
07:05:39,440 --> 07:05:43,080
city of Orem fiscal year 26 27 tentative

11017
07:05:43,080 --> 07:05:45,040
budget and we turn the time over to

11018
07:05:45,040 --> 07:05:47,680
Brandon Nelson, chief financial officer.

11019
07:05:47,680 --> 07:05:48,800
>> Thank you, Mayor. This one's really

11020
07:05:48,800 --> 07:05:49,960
short.

11021
07:05:49,960 --> 07:05:53,000
So, our redevelopment agency, um

11022
07:05:53,000 --> 07:05:55,480
as mentioned before, the only there are

11023
07:05:55,480 --> 07:05:58,680
some remnants of the prior old RDAs that

11024
07:05:58,680 --> 07:06:00,160
we still have monies that we are

11025
07:06:00,160 --> 07:06:03,120
expending, but there are really no very

11026
07:06:03,120 --> 07:06:04,560
little revenue

11027
07:06:04,560 --> 07:06:06,720
coming in for those prime

11028
07:06:06,720 --> 07:06:08,920
and so that the the really the only

11029
07:06:08,920 --> 07:06:11,080
remaining item is the University Place

11030
07:06:11,080 --> 07:06:13,120
CDA that's part of underneath the

11031
07:06:13,120 --> 07:06:14,880
umbrella of the RDA.

11032
07:06:14,880 --> 07:06:17,640
Um which we have an agreement with them

11033
07:06:17,640 --> 07:06:21,520
to um rebate 90% of the property tax we

11034
07:06:21,520 --> 07:06:22,840
receive

11035
07:06:22,840 --> 07:06:25,680
um for their uh

11036
07:06:25,680 --> 07:06:28,320
developments that are part of the CDA

11037
07:06:28,320 --> 07:06:29,760
agreement.

11038
07:06:29,760 --> 07:06:32,880
Um you can see the prior year there kind

11039
07:06:32,880 --> 07:06:35,840
of in the middle bottom section there.

11040
07:06:35,840 --> 07:06:38,080
Uh the current year estimate,

11041
07:06:38,080 --> 07:06:40,160
uh we refunded

11042
07:06:40,160 --> 07:06:42,640
almost 1.7 million. We expect that to be

11043
07:06:42,640 --> 07:06:45,160
a little bit higher here in 28 or 27,

11044
07:06:45,160 --> 07:06:48,760
sorry, of 1.8. The two items below that

11045
07:06:48,760 --> 07:06:52,120
are related to that. So, I mentioned 90%

11046
07:06:52,120 --> 07:06:55,560
5% is stays within the fund and that's

11047
07:06:55,560 --> 07:06:59,400
that future projects item. 5% is

11048
07:06:59,400 --> 07:07:01,840
uh charged as an administrative overhead

11049
07:07:01,840 --> 07:07:02,880
fee

11050
07:07:02,880 --> 07:07:06,080
uh and goes back to uh the general fund

11051
07:07:06,080 --> 07:07:10,200
uh for services of all of us and as well

11052
07:07:10,200 --> 07:07:13,080
as um various other uh

11053
07:07:13,080 --> 07:07:15,000
elements that may be needed related to

11054
07:07:15,000 --> 07:07:16,400
that CDA.

11055
07:07:16,400 --> 07:07:18,840
The bottom area, the project area totals

11056
07:07:18,840 --> 07:07:22,760
item are those the remnants of those

11057
07:07:22,760 --> 07:07:24,720
uh old RDAs.

11058
07:07:24,720 --> 07:07:29,200
Um and so that's the makeup of the RDA

11059
07:07:29,200 --> 07:07:31,040
and this uh elements within it. Are

11060
07:07:31,040 --> 07:07:34,760
there any questions about the RDA?

11061
07:07:34,760 --> 07:07:37,080
>> Right, any questions?

11062
07:07:37,080 --> 07:07:38,680
All right.

11063
07:07:38,680 --> 07:07:40,640
And this is not a public hearing and

11064
07:07:40,640 --> 07:07:41,280
we're

11065
07:07:41,280 --> 07:07:42,520
so I'm not going to open it to public

11066
07:07:42,520 --> 07:07:44,400
hearing, but go ahead I would entertain

11067
07:07:44,400 --> 07:07:45,080
a motion.

11068
07:07:45,080 --> 07:07:47,680
>> I move to accept by resolution the

11069
07:07:47,680 --> 07:07:49,440
Redevelopment Agency fiscal year

11070
07:07:49,440 --> 07:07:51,840
2026-2027

11071
07:07:51,840 --> 07:07:53,920
tentative budget and to set a public

11072
07:07:53,920 --> 07:07:56,280
hearing to adopt the final budget on

11073
07:07:56,280 --> 07:08:00,640
June 9th, 2026 at 6:10 p.m.

11074
07:08:00,640 --> 07:08:01,440
>> Second.

11075
07:08:01,440 --> 07:08:02,400
>> All right, we have a motion and a

11076
07:08:02,400 --> 07:08:04,960
second. I'll start with me, I vote I.

11077
07:08:04,960 --> 07:08:10,720
>> I.

11078
07:08:10,720 --> 07:08:12,520
>> All right, motion carries. I would

11079
07:08:12,520 --> 07:08:14,520
entertain a motion to adjourn from the

11080
07:08:14,520 --> 07:08:16,160
meeting of the as the Redevelopment

11081
07:08:16,160 --> 07:08:18,360
Agency and reconvene as the Orem Special

11082
07:08:18,360 --> 07:08:19,880
Service Lighting District.

11083
07:08:19,880 --> 07:08:20,880
>> So moved.

11084
07:08:20,880 --> 07:08:23,320
>> We have a motion, is there a second?

11085
07:08:23,320 --> 07:08:24,240
>> Second.

11086
07:08:24,240 --> 07:08:26,680
>> The motion is second. Um

11087
07:08:26,680 --> 07:08:29,400
I'll start with me, I vote I. Okay.

11088
07:08:29,400 --> 07:08:33,680
>> I.

11089
07:08:33,680 --> 07:08:35,720
>> Right, motion carries. Welcome to the

11090
07:08:35,720 --> 07:08:37,400
Special Service Lighting District

11091
07:08:37,400 --> 07:08:38,800
meeting.

11092
07:08:38,800 --> 07:08:41,600
Um we have one item on our consent

11093
07:08:41,600 --> 07:08:43,840
um items and that's approval of the

11094
07:08:43,840 --> 07:08:48,120
meeting minutes of June 10th, 2025.

11095
07:08:48,120 --> 07:08:49,640
Uh is there a motion to approve?

11096
07:08:49,640 --> 07:08:50,520
>> So moved.

11097
07:08:50,520 --> 07:08:51,800
>> Right, motion is there a second?

11098
07:08:51,800 --> 07:08:52,600
>> Second.

11099
07:08:52,600 --> 07:08:55,000
>> Right, motion is All right, Councillor

11100
07:08:55,000 --> 07:08:56,800
Rameal Stein, how do you vote?

11101
07:08:56,800 --> 07:09:01,600
>> I.

11102
07:09:01,600 --> 07:09:04,240
>> All right, motion carries. We're on item

11103
07:09:04,240 --> 07:09:07,120
17, resolution Special Service Lighting

11104
07:09:07,120 --> 07:09:09,000
District the City of Orem fiscal year

11105
07:09:09,000 --> 07:09:11,760
2026-2027 tentative budget.

11106
07:09:11,760 --> 07:09:14,000
Brandon Nelson, Chief Financial Officer

11107
07:09:14,000 --> 07:09:16,640
will be presenting.

11108
07:09:16,640 --> 07:09:18,200
>> Thank you.

11109
07:09:18,200 --> 07:09:19,480
>> Good mayor.

11110
07:09:19,480 --> 07:09:22,200
Uh so, our street lighting uh

11111
07:09:22,200 --> 07:09:24,280
fund and uh is a separate entity and

11112
07:09:24,280 --> 07:09:26,360
that's why it's uh

11113
07:09:26,360 --> 07:09:29,320
a separate uh budget discussion.

11114
07:09:29,320 --> 07:09:30,440
Uh you can

11115
07:09:30,440 --> 07:09:32,040
have an idea here of what we are

11116
07:09:32,040 --> 07:09:34,000
proposing in relation to the street

11117
07:09:34,000 --> 07:09:36,400
lights, uh revenues associated with

11118
07:09:36,400 --> 07:09:37,520
them,

11119
07:09:37,520 --> 07:09:39,440
um and you'll notice in the far bottom

11120
07:09:39,440 --> 07:09:40,800
right corner the appropriation of

11121
07:09:40,800 --> 07:09:43,000
surplus. So, we are using some of the

11122
07:09:43,000 --> 07:09:45,280
surplus that we've accumulated over a

11123
07:09:45,280 --> 07:09:48,240
number of years to try to finish up the

11124
07:09:48,240 --> 07:09:51,800
very um street lights. I believe it's

11125
07:09:51,800 --> 07:09:54,240
the old poles uh from Rocky Mountain

11126
07:09:54,240 --> 07:09:56,240
Power if I remember correctly.

11127
07:09:56,240 --> 07:09:58,240
Uh but anyway, that we're using some of

11128
07:09:58,240 --> 07:10:00,920
those funds to to complete some capital

11129
07:10:00,920 --> 07:10:03,000
those capital projects.

11130
07:10:03,000 --> 07:10:04,120
Um

11131
07:10:04,120 --> 07:10:06,080
here's a breakdown of the expenses

11132
07:10:06,080 --> 07:10:08,120
related to street lighting. We have a a

11133
07:10:08,120 --> 07:10:11,200
few personnel that exist within there.

11134
07:10:11,200 --> 07:10:13,440
Um as you can see, most of it is related

11135
07:10:13,440 --> 07:10:16,760
to the the You'll recall when I talked

11136
07:10:16,760 --> 07:10:18,240
in the debt service fund that energy

11137
07:10:18,240 --> 07:10:20,920
savings lease, uh this fund actually

11138
07:10:20,920 --> 07:10:23,400
pays money to pay for that debt service

11139
07:10:23,400 --> 07:10:24,800
as um

11140
07:10:24,800 --> 07:10:27,600
a large portion of that uh those energy

11141
07:10:27,600 --> 07:10:29,880
savings were changing out all of the

11142
07:10:29,880 --> 07:10:32,360
bulbs in the the street lights to LED

11143
07:10:32,360 --> 07:10:33,520
bulbs.

11144
07:10:33,520 --> 07:10:35,800
Um and so, they participate in paying

11145
07:10:35,800 --> 07:10:37,720
for a portion of that debt.

11146
07:10:37,720 --> 07:10:40,320
Um the holiday lighting, which obviously

11147
07:10:40,320 --> 07:10:43,240
we have a lot of lights out in the uh

11148
07:10:43,240 --> 07:10:45,480
city center park now and the the street

11149
07:10:45,480 --> 07:10:46,920
lighting fund uh

11150
07:10:46,920 --> 07:10:49,000
pays for a large portion of all the the

11151
07:10:49,000 --> 07:10:52,480
power and lights for that particular um

11152
07:10:52,480 --> 07:10:54,120
event as well as

11153
07:10:54,120 --> 07:10:56,800
um various other paying for power for

11154
07:10:56,800 --> 07:10:58,760
many of the other all the lights

11155
07:10:58,760 --> 07:11:01,040
throughout the city as well.

11156
07:11:01,040 --> 07:11:03,280
Um you'll the the capital amount there

11157
07:11:03,280 --> 07:11:05,440
the 420 is larger than it normally would

11158
07:11:05,440 --> 07:11:07,440
be um because of that appropriation of

11159
07:11:07,440 --> 07:11:09,920
surplus. Um so, you may notice that if

11160
07:11:09,920 --> 07:11:12,840
you were comparing that to a prior year.

11161
07:11:12,840 --> 07:11:14,520
Uh just to give you an idea, uh the

11162
07:11:14,520 --> 07:11:17,120
proposed rate changed for the street

11163
07:11:17,120 --> 07:11:18,320
lighting.

11164
07:11:18,320 --> 07:11:22,320
Um again, changing from 328 to 336. That

11165
07:11:22,320 --> 07:11:24,640
was a 2.4% increase.

11166
07:11:24,640 --> 07:11:27,480
Um the

11167
07:11:27,480 --> 07:11:29,320
residents pay that monthly on their

11168
07:11:29,320 --> 07:11:31,800
utility bill. Uh businesses pay that all

11169
07:11:31,800 --> 07:11:33,720
up front. Uh as you can see down at the

11170
07:11:33,720 --> 07:11:37,360
bottom there, the $40.32 when they um

11171
07:11:37,360 --> 07:11:40,240
renew their business license.

11172
07:11:40,240 --> 07:11:41,960
And that's

11173
07:11:41,960 --> 07:11:42,400
Is that it?

11174
07:11:42,400 --> 07:11:42,720
>> That's it.

11175
07:11:42,720 --> 07:11:45,440
>> All right. Any questions?

11176
07:11:45,440 --> 07:11:49,910
All right. I would entertain a motion.

11177
07:11:49,920 --> 07:11:51,840
» I'll do it. I move to accept by

11178
07:11:51,840 --> 07:11:53,800
resolution the special service lighting

11179
07:11:53,800 --> 07:11:56,600
district of the city of Orem fiscal year

11180
07:11:56,600 --> 07:11:58,920
2026-2027

11181
07:11:58,920 --> 07:12:01,000
tentative budget and to set a public

11182
07:12:01,000 --> 07:12:02,720
hearing to adopt the final budget on

11183
07:12:02,720 --> 07:12:06,160
June 9th, 2026 at 6:20 p.m.

11184
07:12:06,160 --> 07:12:07,000
>> Second.

11185
07:12:07,000 --> 07:12:08,960
>> All right. Thank you. Motion is second.

11186
07:12:08,960 --> 07:12:10,120
Um Council member Gale.

11187
07:12:10,120 --> 07:12:15,080
>> Aye.

11188
07:12:15,080 --> 07:12:17,360
>> All right. Motion carries.

11189
07:12:17,360 --> 07:12:18,880
All right, friends.

11190
07:12:18,880 --> 07:12:20,080
>> I move that Mayor that we

11191
07:12:20,080 --> 07:12:21,960
>> We've got one more motion.

11192
07:12:21,960 --> 07:12:23,400
>> I move that we adjourn.

11193
07:12:23,400 --> 07:12:24,200
>> Second.

11194
07:12:24,200 --> 07:12:25,520
>> All right.

11195
07:12:25,520 --> 07:12:26,840
Do we have to do I can't remember. Do we

11196
07:12:26,840 --> 07:12:27,880
do a roll call? Can you just say

11197
07:12:27,880 --> 07:12:29,760
>> Aye.

11198
07:12:29,760 --> 07:12:31,080
>> And if you say nay, you can just sit

11199
07:12:31,080 --> 07:12:31,640
here.

11200
07:12:31,640 --> 07:12:34,000
>> Yeah.