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>> here for

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>> I'd like to welcome you to our work

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session of today's city council meeting

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on May 26th, 2026.

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thank you all. I've seen a lot of each

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other lately the past few days. We've

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had some great things happen here and

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it's been good good to see you all and

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to celebrate

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uh the dedication of our Gold Star

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family monument and to reflect our

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Memorial Day program. So our first item

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on the agenda is the continued

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discussion on the short-term rentals of

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60 minutes has been allocated uh 30

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minutes presentation and 30 minutes Q&A.

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And before I turn the time over to Jake,

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just want to thank you Jake for for

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tackling all of this. And um just know

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that you you've looked at a lot of

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different options. I know that you don't

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your your job is to is to present us

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with a variety of options and you the

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council consider those and appreciate

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you taking the time to go ahead and look

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at those. Some of those options may not

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be what we vision for the city, but it's

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not you saying we should do that. It's

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these are things that these are

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possibilities and and I appreciate that.

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And council, I would like to ask that we

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save our questions until Jake is done

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with his presentation. I would like to

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have him have the opportunity to present

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what he has. And so if you wouldn't mind

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saving your questions until Jake says

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he's ready. He's going to facilitate the

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discussion after and and so if we could

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do that that would Jeff that would be

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great. So any questions on that before

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those. So all right Jake I'll go ahead

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and turn the time over to you.

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>> Thank you mayor. Um, so to pick up where

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we left off from previous conversations

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about short-term rentals

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is

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a provision that could be included um

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that would address concerns that have

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been raised regarding the ability for

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short-term rentals to be used as a way

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um provide student housing in a way that

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in violation of our current student

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housing ordinance. expenses. And one way

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we could address that is through

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requiring a dormant period for

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short-term rentals. Um the way this is

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currently written it is that for a

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period for a monthly period, sorry, for

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any monthly period, uh short-term rental

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would have to sit vacant for 5 days.

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consecutive five days, just five days

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during the the period of the month.

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rate of short-term rentals in excess of

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different uh websites and what I've

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heard from short-term rental operators

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is they typically operate between 56%

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and 70% occupancy. So, by and large,

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requiring five days that are

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non-consecutive days should not impact

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any short-term rental operator uh hugely

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financially. It may be something they

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may not like, but it would not

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necessarily have a large financial

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impact on a short-term rental operator.

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five. I just want to make sure that it's

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understood.

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some of the pros again are it helps

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preserve the housing stock for long-term

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residents because again, one of the ways

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you'd want to make sure that short-term

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rentals aren't being used as a way to

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provide, you know, student housing. Um,

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um, the negative side to this is it

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would increase a little bit of

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complexity about enforcement. It would

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require short-term uh rental operators

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to provide uh records of their bookings

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when they come in for renewal to show

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that they were in compliance with uh

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this provision. So again adds a little

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bit of complexity and that would be the

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negative on that.

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present to the council is there has been

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uh several interi individuals who've

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come in at personal appearances or

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who've met with myself um or city

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council members and have expressed well

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I thought I was doing everything right.

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I thought I had done what I was required

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of me. I came in, I obtained a a

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license.

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dwelling license, which is different

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than a short-term rental license. Um but

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nonetheless, uh there was a request of

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is there any sort of provision that

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could be uh put in place that would aid

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or help individuals that found

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themselves in that situation. And what

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we've crafted here is what we would

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consider a legacy status of those that

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could show uh the following uh that they

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were in prior operation uh prior to

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January 1st of 2025.

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and that we could subject to obviously

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the council um but the reason I picked

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that date was by January 1st of 2025

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there were already several ongoing

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discussions and council meetings and

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work sessions that

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short-term rentals were prohibited under

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our land use code. And so it would

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basically create a clean line between

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when the council was being educated on

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what the status of the law was and when

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people had been operating uh by their

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perspective in good faith. The second is

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they could show some sort of

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documentation that they obtained a valid

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rental dwelling license from the city

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prior to January 1st of 2025.

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continuous activity that they they can

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show us that they had listed the

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property, they had been using the

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property as a short-term rental on on

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one of the, you know, platforms out

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there for the short-term rentals. And

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fourth, that they were in compliance

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with the tax provision. So they could

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provide us documentation showing that

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they've been paying the transient room

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tax, sales tax, or any other appropriate

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tax needed to be Um, what that would

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allow them to do is potentially have

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them be exempted from a more ownorous

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restriction as it came to density

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requirements. As we've talked about in

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previous work sessions, we've talked

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about um short-term rentals being, you

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know, no closer than 1,000 ft together.

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numerical caps. Um, what you could do is

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you could have a numerical cap of say 30

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um or 20 uh short-term rentals.

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up, then you wouldn't be issuing any new

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licenses for non-owner occupied

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short-term rentals. But what the legacy

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status would allow is somebody who falls

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into that category to still obtain their

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license because they fall into this

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category over and above those 20 or 30

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cities. So it provides them an

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exemption.

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couple questions here

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nuanced. So what would that number

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what's the approximate number that

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potentially could be at that? So there's

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the 20 or 30 of the non and then what

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then you as a council could set density

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requirements. Those would could be based

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on this part overruled

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by including some legacy status people.

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beyond not already included in the

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provide an exemption to those that can

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fit within this legacy status. So you you choose prohibition one density

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or numerical prohibition and then if if

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individuals if the council were to

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choose to go this route, if individuals

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were able to show that they fit within

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this category, then we would provide

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them a license even though they would be

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otherwise restricted.

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Have them be the first level already

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approved in the density numbers? Part of

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the reason you would you wouldn't do

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that is um

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you're going to have short-term rentals

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already that are in violation of that

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legacy. It's just like

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legal non-conforming. You just lose it

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once you stop doing it.

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>> Correct. If they if somebody was to lose

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their legacy status, they have their

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license revoked or they failed to renew

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it or they stop or they sell the home,

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then they would lose that legacy status.

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there's a density prohibition or

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numerical cap, they would whoever owned

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that or if they were trying to reup it,

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they would not be able to obtain that

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license again.

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Um, what it does not provide is it does

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not provide any land use right. It

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doesn't create a transferable right nor

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does it limit the city council's ability

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to come back and change the program or

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the requirements of this program. What

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we are trying to do in essence is

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provide some sort of uh equity or you

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know fairness to situations where people

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feel like you know the city might be

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pulling the rug out from underneath

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them. Bren did you have a question?

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this uh they'd still have to come up to

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all other standards that would be

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identified by by the city. Right.

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>> I just want to clarify fe since you said

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you would take questions this with the

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sale of the property

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if it's over the cap that is no longer

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allowed to be a short-term rental. So

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there's not going to be creating we're

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not creating a market for legacy status

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short-term rentals to be sold,

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>> in the community. It's if you sell the

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property, then it's not if the density,

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whatever it is, it's gone,

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>> right? Because this license is not a

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transferable license. None of the

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short-term rental licenses would be

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transferable.

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Any other questions or desires for me to

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clarify what this provision may or may

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not do

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>> other than the legacy? Would they be

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also required to pay the same annual

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fees that everyone else would, which

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will be quite a bit more than anything

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we've ever done before to cover the cost

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of our enforcement and everything else

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we have to do with them?

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>> Yes. So, at legacy status, uh,

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short-term rental operator would still

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have to annually obtain the short-term

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rental license. They would have to meet

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every other regulation on the books for

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short-term rentals, including the quiet

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hours, occupancy, parking requirements,

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all of those other things.

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Jeff, you

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>> I'm hold my question till later because

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it may be answered down the road. So,

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I'll

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» have a question. Yes, Jen.

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>> Um, can you just help me understand the

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logic of or why the evidence of continue

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continuous listing on STR?

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>> Just how are you thinking about that?

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>> The thinking is we want to make sure

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that these are individuals that truly

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were operating as a short-term rental as

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opposed to an individual who came in,

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obtained a long-term

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uh long-term rental license, and now

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want to convert over to a short-term

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rental operation.

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Okay, thank you.

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» Um, as we talked about, one of the

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things um, the council had expressed was

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trying to make this be a sustainable

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um, program. How do you make it

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sustainable? What are the costs, the

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actual costs that this program would

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call um, the city would incur? Um, how

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do we fund this type of a program?

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I work with u staff on management

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services and we've identified you know

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potential positions that may be hired

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need to be hired or expanded and this

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really kind of depends a little bit on

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where the council wants to go how how

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proactive the city council wants the

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city to go and how expansive the program

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becomes. If you go non-owner occupied,

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it's obviously going to be a much more

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expensive program than if it just stays

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at owner occupied as as opposed to also

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a ban. Um, but looking at just the

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overhead salary cost, a level one NIT

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officer, the cost of the city would be

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roughly $65,000.

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Uh, for an associate planner, the

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overhead would be $75,000.

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So, if you were to add one one planner

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and one officer, and the reason you'd

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add a planner is to help with the

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inspection, uh the paperwork, the

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licensing, all of that's going to fall

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within community development

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departments. Um, and then the officer

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obviously to help with the enforcement,

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that comes to about $141,000.

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Um, if you were to add two NIT officers

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and the planner, you're looking at

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closer to $210,000.

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Um, again, it really just depends on how

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many licenses. You could take that

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number, divide it by the number of

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projected licenses and say, well, this

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is the cost of enforcing and regulating

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the program, so our fee is going to be

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X. Um, if you're going to take that 210

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and you're going to say roughly if we

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had 250, just even taking the number

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that's been thrown out there for how

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many short-term rental uh rental

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operations are out there, that fee is

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going to be around the $800.

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So, it's going to be substantially

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higher than what you see the comparable

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cities.

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Um, so ways that we would try to

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validate is we would we would pull our ordinance. We'd provide it to uh

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Lewis Roberts and Birmingham LRB. We'd

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have them do a fee study. What we'd want

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to do is again at the roll out point is

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to pick and say we think this is a fair

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number, a reasonable fair number to

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charge initially and then we have LRB

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move forward and validate it for moving

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forward in ongoing years for what our

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fee should be to operate this type of a

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program. As you can see, um, fees vary

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quite drastically throughout the loss at

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Toronto. Um, Lehi being one of the

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lower, um, at 190 and Logan being 575.

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Also, something to consider about

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Logan's is they also have a conditional

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use permit requirement on over and above

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his license. So, their fees may want to

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put an asterisk next to that. They're

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probably a little bit higher. But then

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you notice the renewal fee drops off

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quite drastically for Logan.

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Um I don't know that that would be

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appropriate because this is something

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that we would want to have as an ongoing

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program. Enforcement is going to be

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ongoing. It's not just a one-time

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inspection and everything is fine. Um,

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another thing to consider here is as we

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move forward with this type of a program

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is we want to make sure that any STR

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that is operating

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um is correctly identifying the property

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that is being used with the Utah County

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Tax Assessor. Um, if, for example,

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they're living in the ADU portion and

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the primary residence is being

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short-term rented, I think it would be

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appropriate to make sure that that

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portion of the property is not receiving

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the primary residence exception under

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the property taxes. Uh likewise, if it

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is a whole home rental, again, we want

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to ensure that that home is being

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correctly represented on the tax records

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as as a commercial investment as opposed

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to a primary residence.

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um that number gets a little bit, you

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know, it's not going to necessarily help

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with the financing the program itself,

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but it would be something that we'd want

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to make sure is reflected for all

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taxpayers and their tax burden.

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Um,

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so these are all of the very nuanced

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provisions that I wanted to go over.

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at this point

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wanted to identify the areas of

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consensus

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where I believe we have consensus and

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where we may not have consensus. So I'm

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going to go back through the

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presentation

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and as we have questions feel free to

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ask the questions as we go. I want to

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ensure that we have a good bearing on

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where we want to go.

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>> Jake,

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>> yes. for the portion that you presented

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on. Are questions on that portion

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appropriate now or do you want

442
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>> Yes, absolutely. I'll take any

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questions.

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>> Um, can you help me understand uh the um

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5day dormcy requirement a little bit

446
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more? I just need to understand the

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logic of why

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we're worried about student housing

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there and if we have evidence that

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that's been done before. Um, that's

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question number one.

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>> And I don't have any anecdotal evidence.

453
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I can't point you to one property that

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has been used as student housing. I'm

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just um sensitive to those homes that

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are near UDU.

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Um, and if somebody were to obtain a

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short-term rental license and then

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artificially lower the rent um, in such

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a way because I would say on a nightly

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basis, I don't think, you know, market

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markets being what markets are, it would

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bear out that somebody would want to

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rent it nightly housing, but if somebody

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were to artificially lower that uh, so

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they could then in essence rent it out

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to six students,

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um, this would be a way to pre present

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that prevent that from happening.

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That is the thinking. There were

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concerns raised um earlier in the

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drafting of the ordinance about somebody

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trying to use this as a way to

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circumvent our student housing zone, but

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we don't think that's happened yet. I

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haven't had any uh particular cases

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brought to our attention.

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And it's not really necessarily just

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student housing. Could be anybody. If

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we're setting our cap at eight unrelated

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people occupancy, right now it's three.

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Somebody could potentially use this as

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an end of round to say, "Okay, I'm just

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going to start renting to eight people."

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Requiring them to have the fiveday

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vacancies ensures that you can't really

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do that. It's really truly a short-term

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rental.

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>> And how did you come to five days versus

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two over three or 10?

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I I was looking at the what I could see

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doing research uh online as to what the

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average occupancy rates are for

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short-term rentals and trying to use the

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natural occupancy rate that already

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exists out there so as to not negatively

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impact short-term rental operators. But

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5 days would would in essence prevent

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somebody from renting long-term but not

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necessarily financially impact a

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short-term rental operator.

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>> Would this be for just non-owner

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occupied or would it be owner occupied

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as well?

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>> This would mean either

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>> or both.

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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Um, what one uh piece of data I would

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like to get if we can um is that I know platforms like Airbnb have a

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monthly rental option uh where you can

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rent for a whole month, right? And that

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would essentially preclude that option

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if we did this. And I would just be

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interested in knowing how many of our

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STR SDR operators actually use that if

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it happens. uh if it doesn't happen then

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and with the occupancy rates you're

519
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talking about maybe it doesn't matter to

520
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them. Um but I I could imagine a world

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in which it might matter to them.

522
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Thanks for being thoughtful about that.

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Um a second question is on the other uh

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piece

525
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the leg uh uh yeah the leg sorry the uh

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no not the legacy status the next one

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>> code enforcement

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how did we come up with an estimate that

529
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we might need another nit officer and

530
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another associate planner I'm trying to

531
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figure out how how we do the labor math

532
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on that and and you mentioned that we

533
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don't have an ordinance so it might be

534
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hard to calculate but I'm just curious

535
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as to uh the logic behind that.

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>> Going off of current case load for our

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NIT officers. If we were to open this

538
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regulation, I would anticipate we would

539
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need one NIT officer at least

540
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uh to build additional phone calls,

541
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emails, and compliance uh calls.

542
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that just is a natural feel based on

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talking to our NIT officers as well as

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um Jennick's team put together as far as

545
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case load associate planner um maybe

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Gary can speak to this but with our

547
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licensing I would anticipate this would

548
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be an increased uh resource um needed

549
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within the community development office.

550
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>> It really depends on the direction the

551
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council goes. If you

552
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,960
have a licensing program with uh

553
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,679
short-term rentals and it's short-term

554
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:20,880
rentals alone, if there are annual

555
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,240
inspections and things like that,

556
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,039
probably wouldn't have NIT that they

557
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,360
would be handling the enforcement. I

558
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,400
would need a planner in who would help

559
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,039
with business licensing to do some of

560
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:39,120
that. Uh so it it depends on the

561
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,080
regulations that the council puts on. If

562
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,279
it's just get a license and we never

563
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,919
think about it again, n then probably

564
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:51,039
not. But if it's let's do inspections,

565
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,360
let's have

566
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,760
things like that. And if we increase it

567
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,640
to doing uh some sort of rental

568
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,120
licensing that's a little beyond what

569
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,200
we're doing now, then yeah, we'll we'll

570
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960
need somebody. So, it's up to you.

571
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,679
>> Okay. If I could just say way before I

572
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:18,559
move on to the question is um as we've

573
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:20,080
talked about different provisions, some

574
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,360
of the things that we've talked about

575
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,159
here are parking command. We would want

576
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,000
somebody in community development if if

577
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,480
that was a requirement to put eyes on

578
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,080
that parking plan and make sure that it

579
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,799
truly is a functioning working parking

580
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,159
plan. Um, our ordinance does contemplate

581
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:39,360
inspections. Um, it also contemplates

582
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,320
coordination with uh validating or

583
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,799
corroborating property records to make

584
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,080
sure that they're the owner if we're

585
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,559
doing owner occupy. So, I think there

586
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,840
really would be a pull on community

587
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,799
development to have an associate planner

588
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,000
there to put eyes on those. And if I may

589
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,000
add to that, Jake, I mean, this isn't

590
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,559
complete without some president. When we

591
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,400
did our landlord licensing process

592
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,279
for many years ago, we added a couple of

593
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:12,880
personnel.

594
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,080
Now, I'd also say we're not trying to

595
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,880
suggest this is going to be locked in,

596
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,360
>> right? Like we'll we always do we'll

597
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,039
evaluate

598
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,080
the process the process and we'll map it

599
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,120
out and we'll and there are software

600
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,440
solutions that help with that. Of

601
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600
course, we'll we'll look at that. you

602
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,400
know, maybe it maybe it's hiring two

603
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,720
seasonal NIT code enforcement instead of

604
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,559
one full, you know, we'll we'll go

605
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,799
through that detail assessment and we'll

606
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,400
uh we'll lean on LRB to help make sure

607
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,039
that there is a rational nexus between

608
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,200
the cost and the fees.

609
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,720
>> That's good. The the thing that I was

610
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,400
trying to figure out in my head is how

611
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,320
much of this is already happening within

612
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,559
it, right? in versus how much burden are

613
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,520
we now expecting put on that is not

614
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,279
being done right now.

615
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,559
>> So that

616
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,279
>> for us too there are some unknowns there

617
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,159
but also we're trying to anticipate

618
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,400
there could be some efficiencies gained

619
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
in if if what is decided by the council

620
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,559
on the short-term rentals affects how we

621
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,120
license long-term rentals as well. And

622
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,880
so there there could be some joint work

623
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,360
in that regard. And so then some of the

624
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,000
costs could be spread across both of

625
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,360
those fee revenues in in that event.

626
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,400
>> I think that I appreciate this. I think

627
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,640
one of the uh concerns that I've heard

628
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,960
from the community is that if we did do

629
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,120
short-term rentals that we don't have

630
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,919
currently have the bandwidth to do the

631
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,080
level of enforcement or license or

632
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919
regulation.

633
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:55,520
This is a very regulatory intense

634
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,960
process, especially if if the council

635
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600
adopts something involving the legacy

636
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,600
because at that front end, you're going

637
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,000
to have a lot of people coming in trying

638
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,640
to provide information to show that they

639
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
are that they were in in existence

640
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,200
before. And then going forward, you are

641
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,559
going to have a lot of a lot of

642
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,760
regulatory work. And I think that it's

643
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,720
important to have that regulatory work.

644
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600
I also think that it's important that

645
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,399
those who have short-term rentals bear

646
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:34,640
the financial burden of having that

647
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,919
regulatory work because

648
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,159
they're they're the ones who are have

649
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:41,840
that's that's the use that has created

650
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,720
this extra workload and I think that

651
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440
they need to they need to uh pay for

652
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,360
that.

653
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Jeff,

654
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:57,520
>> and I have a one of my questions that would attach to that is so with the

655
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000
um

656
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360
would those who have enforcement

657
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,470
infractions,

658
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,000
obviously they're going to pay for those

659
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320
infractions, right? So would that be

660
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720
taken into account for the upfront? We

661
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,760
don't know what that's going to be,

662
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,840
right? We hope that there in a perfect

663
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720
world there would be no infractions.

664
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Um, so would that just be I guess my

665
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,799
question is

666
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,840
that money would not focus on the

667
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080
upfront cost. That would just be

668
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,120
additional for continued enforcement

669
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,640
above and beyond what we're already

670
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,760
planning on.

671
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
>> I think you'd also have to identify that

672
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720
there's going to be other added costs by

673
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120
the enforcement itself. the minute that

674
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520
we site somebody and then we end up

675
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,919
going to the ALJ, we're also paying for

676
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:49,840
an administrative law judge to hear that

677
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,279
case. And so those those fees that we

678
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,120
collect through the ALJ don't

679
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,679
necessarily always cover the cost of the

680
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:01,600
ALJ process itself.

681
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,840
>> And and I guess that was the the next

682
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,360
step of that question. So these fees

683
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,000
would then cover the other outward

684
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,960
ripples, right, from that enforcement

685
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,799
for the infraction,

686
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,799
>> correct? Okay. Can I ask another

687
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,480
question going back to the two-tier

688
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,080
regulation?

689
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Um, what about the case of a an heir? If

690
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,440
a mother and father will that home to a

691
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520
child,

692
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,000
would that be transferable?

693
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,880
>> Not currently as as I have it drafted.

694
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Um, again, if the council were wanting

695
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,159
to go that direction, but I would again

696
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,760
I would define it as any transfer of the

697
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,720
property that there is no transference

698
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
of that right that that new owner

699
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,600
whether it be an heir or a new buyer has

700
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080
to come in and apply for that license

701
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,840
separately as themselves.

702
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,200
>> But then if the new buyer comes in Oh,

703
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,320
never mind. That's you're talking about

704
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,760
if it wasn't a short-term rental to

705
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,200
begin with. No, I'm talking about if it

706
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,919
was a short-term rental.

707
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:05,520
>> Short-term rental, then the new buyer

708
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600
just gets put into the probably the

709
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,559
bottom of the the list and then as as

710
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,120
licenses, they don't get any preference

711
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,799
because

712
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,240
of of the legacy status

713
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240
>> along those lines. What if the home is

714
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,679
in a trust?

715
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,799
>> So, we we account for that currently

716
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,559
um in our definition of an owner. Um if

717
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,039
you are

718
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,799
beneficiary

719
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:35,200
trust um and you have 51%

720
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000
um interest in that trust then you could

721
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,430
count as an owner.

722
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,519
» Whoa. Hold on a minute. Back up the

723
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,080
truck.

724
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,000
>> Because oftenimes people will put their

725
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,480
property in the trust.

726
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,200
Um,

727
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
>> so then we've totally lost our licensing

728
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,440
ability because it is now a financial it

729
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360
is now a business venture that can be

730
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,720
willed and transferred through a trust.

731
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
So we we have lost our our licensing

732
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,960
ability

733
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,679
>> at the time the the license is created.

734
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:11,440
If it isn't a trust and it's in their

735
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600
name it's tied to the person that's the

736
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,710
trustee.

737
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720
So

738
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,080
I'm

739
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,840
>> you have multiple trustees. You're

740
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:29,830
saying if one trustee has 51%

741
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880
» they come back to our definition of

742
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080
here. So this is

743
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,720
>> so they would have to at the time they

744
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,120
obtain their license they would have to

745
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,320
show that property is in a trust and

746
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760
that they have over 50% interest in that

747
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,640
trust.

748
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,000
as the beneficiary.

749
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,039
>> As the beneficiary

750
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,799
>> want to pay multiple beneficiaries and

751
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,200
together they make 50%. Does it have to

752
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,480
be a single beneficiary?

753
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,000
>> Has to be a single beneficiary.

754
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,230
>> Rightart. Sorry.

755
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,919
» Well, is that a loophole?

756
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,080
>> I don't believe so. We use that

757
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,720
definition elsewhere.

758
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,320
So,

759
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,200
>> well, but we're establishing a financial

760
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
venture in perpetuity.

761
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,279
>> No, we are not.

762
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,880
>> If if How are we not?

763
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,159
>> So, you want to

764
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,919
>> Yeah, I actually think this is a really

765
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,840
good question because

766
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,039
>> the other person there.

767
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,640
>> Yes. I mean let's take a typical

768
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
situation where you maybe have a family

769
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,799
trust let's say and you know uh two

770
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,960
parents mother and father you know they

771
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880
set up a trust and usually they're the

772
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880
beneficiaries until they die and then

773
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,000
you know the kids become the

774
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,679
beneficiaries and sometimes those trusts

775
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,080
can keep operating even after the

776
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,799
initial beneficiaries die right I think

777
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,240
that's the situation you're kind of

778
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,000
talking about that that trust continued

779
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,440
to you know run an Airbnb short-term

780
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,080
rental um even after the the two

781
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,240
principles have passed on. That's the

782
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,159
question. Maybe we need to just better

783
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:09,919
define in that scenario um that even if

784
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:12,000
the trust is still in existence, if the

785
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,839
primary beneficiaries or the original

786
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:16,159
beneficiaries have passed on, then that

787
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,399
right is lost. It doesn't the trust

788
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:19,839
doesn't get to continue operating. I'd

789
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:20,720
>> be comfortable with that.

790
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,079
>> That would be an option. I'm not saying

791
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,280
do that. I'm just saying that's an

792
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,879
option. So

793
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,240
>> preferred

794
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:27,599
>> other otherwise everybody just puts them

795
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,159
in a trust and then you have all these

796
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,839
homes that are in trust and we can't

797
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:32,960
regulate.

798
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,679
>> We're stuck.

799
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,200
>> It could last for a long time.

800
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,960
>> Every time they change beneficiaries

801
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,320
with that they're rental license then.

802
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,200
>> Well,

803
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,359
>> I mean that that's something we could we

804
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:44,720
could address it that way if we wanted

805
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:46,079
to. assess.

806
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,879
>> Okay.

807
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:51,520
>> I know a community that they required

808
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,119
you to be the trust and the beneficiary.

809
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,520
So for instance, my wife and I if we

810
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,000
wanted to do this, we would create the

811
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,480
McIn family trust. We would both be

812
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,680
trusts because we own the home and we

813
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,400
would be beneficiaries of that trust for

814
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680
estate planning purposes. my children,

815
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,599
they may be beneficiaries, but they

816
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,079
would not be the trust.

817
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,079
And so, you have to fill both roles. So,

818
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:22,480
there's ways around this to make it work

819
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,750
if that's a concern.

820
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,280
» That's concern for me. I don't know. Is

821
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,240
it a concern for folks? I think having

822
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,480
good language would makes it less

823
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,040
concerning. Yes. Any

824
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,880
other questions? As

825
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,280
>> some questions. Will you go to your fees

826
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
um slide?

827
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,599
>> Um so NIT officers. So that's got to be

828
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,520
just salary. That's not including

829
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,800
benefits.

830
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,320
>> That that is

831
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,880
>> I feel like we need to cost of an

832
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,000
employee.

833
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,160
>> That is the overhead

834
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,599
or salary and benefit for starting an IT

835
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,079
officer. want.

836
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,520
>> So that's pay and benefits, right? So

837
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
>> pay them 20 25 bucks an hour and then

838
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,240
they're bene they don't have they're not

839
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,119
a they're not a postcertified police

840
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,280
officer. They don't have the same

841
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,589
retirement. So

842
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,119
» that seems super low.

843
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,680
>> That is what our

844
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,359
these are the numbers I I obtained from

845
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:34,880
our

846
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,119
team. So, yes,

847
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,119
>> I I think the point is that I think

848
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:40,880
we're going to look at have LRB do an

849
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,800
analysis because we don't know if it's

850
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,240
really going to take full-time people or

851
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,680
if it's going to be a third or half time

852
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680
or whatever. They'll do that analysis.

853
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680
They'll take the numbers. So, the these

854
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,720
aren't set in stone.

855
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,440
>> So, okay,

856
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,599
>> what what I'm trying to show by these

857
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,320
numbers is potential costs. So if my

858
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,599
benefits for my salary are three times

859
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,359
if I end up with three times what my

860
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:04,320
original salary is, how is what is what

861
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
is their salary only?

862
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,640
>> I would look it up for you, but I don't

863
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,320
want to necessarily go into it. Why am I

864
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,880
sharing my screen?

865
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,280
It's

866
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,200
>> I mean you see my question here.

867
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:15,839
>> I'm really

868
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:17,359
>> number I'm presenting here is both

869
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,920
salary and benefits. And for the

870
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,040
planner, I can tell you that's

871
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,920
that looks right to me as a planner one

872
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,960
step one very

873
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,200
entry level adding their benefits.

874
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,960
usually are close to a third.

875
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040
>> So I get it. So maybe we should do a

876
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,359
five-year employee,

877
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,040
>> someone who because you know I guess

878
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,640
you're saying we put people here and

879
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
then as they approve themselves they

880
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,000
advance

881
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,280
>> and we can raise the fee.

882
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,440
>> Yeah. too, I think. But yeah, you're

883
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,720
that's a good point.

884
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,000
>> We need just need to make sure it

885
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,760
reflects what we're paying

886
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,280
>> using averages. Should we use an average

887
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,920
>> cost? I was just going to say for fire

888
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,640
prevention fees, we adjust the cost

889
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
every single year based off the

890
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,640
increased scale with the step program

891
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,520
with our inspector.

892
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,200
>> Oh, okay. So, it's something.

893
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,880
>> So, as long as that's transparent for

894
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,760
these licenses, I'm I just want to be I

895
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,839
just don't want them to think that, you

896
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,160
know, oh, the fee jumped up 20%. Well,

897
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,720
because our employees now worth more and

898
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,040
they're paying them more.

899
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,760
>> And again, yeah, this is just a starting

900
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,680
point. We'll want to go through and make

901
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,119
sure that we're doing it in the most

902
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,520
efficient and effective way, too. It it

903
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,160
may be that it's best to get a few

904
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,280
seasonal or part-time code enforcement

905
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,079
rather than one full-time, right? We may

906
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,599
be able to get a little more done that

907
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,560
way. We just haven't done that analysis

908
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,040
yet.

909
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,160
>> Right.

910
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,320
>> Well, again, what I was trying to prove

911
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,079
and I guess not

912
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,240
>> have done very well here is

913
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,720
>> even at entry level with two individuals

914
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,160
or three individuals, that fee that we

915
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,200
would impose on a short-term rental is

916
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,359
going to be substantially higher than

917
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:07,119
the comparable fees.

918
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:08,640
>> That was what I wanted to show.

919
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,320
>> Perfect. and my other question. So, just

920
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,680
to clarify because I've had these

921
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,200
questions, um, this fee, even though our

922
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,079
NIT is under our police, this will not

923
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,359
be coming out of our public safety

924
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,800
fund. This will be paid under what fund?

925
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Fellow services. How are we paying this?

926
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,560
>> If I mean, obviously, the associate

927
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,680
planner would come out of uh general

928
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,800
fund there and it I'm not sure what

929
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,160
bucket of money that is that also

930
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,320
general fund.

931
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,960
We put the code enforcement officer uh

932
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
under police and so that would be paid

933
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
for through the special revenue public

934
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,960
safety special revenue fund but the

935
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,160
revenue source

936
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,920
>> but we'll have the transparency showing

937
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,880
that they are paying themselves. Yes,

938
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,200
that's just the question I

939
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
>> would identify the revenue source would

940
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,400
be this fee this short-term this

941
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440
landlord licensing fee. Then your legacy

942
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,880
status. Go to that slide please for me.

943
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,839
So valid where was the valid renting

944
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,839
license

945
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:15,920
show that they already had a valid

946
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,920
>> documentation. Number two documentation

947
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
of a valid city of warm rental dwelling

948
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:20,800
license.

949
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,440
>> Okay. So is that different from being

950
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400
certified as an ADU?

951
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,000
>> Uh it is an ADU license is or an ADU um

952
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,920
what do we call it? license for ADU or

953
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,920
ADU approval is very different than the

954
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,119
rental dwelling license.

955
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:38,400
>> Kind of talk about those two just so

956
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,320
we're informing our public here. You can

957
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640
have an ADU and not have a long-term

958
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,880
rental license because we charge a

959
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,359
onetime fee. You just explain how that

960
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:50,400
works. So on the record for that

961
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560
>> Gary, would you explain the process

962
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,960
because I'm not as familiar with the ADU

963
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,560
licensing process. Yeah, with the ADU

964
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,680
process, you come in and

965
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,160
uh let's say you're the single family

966
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,480
home. You live there, you want to create

967
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,319
an ADU

968
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,599
uh in your home. Um you come in, you

969
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,560
make an application, we go in and and we

970
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,319
have requirements in the code that that

971
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:23,920
ADU needs needs to meet. We'll go in,

972
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
we'll do a zoning review of it, we do a

973
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,640
building code uh review of it, and then

974
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,160
at the end of that process, you can get

975
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,560
an uh license and it's a license ADU and

976
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,240
but the intent of it is not for

977
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,599
short-term rentals less than 30 days.

978
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,640
It's 30 days or longer is

979
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,760
>> so when um

980
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,359
>> I was just saying but that license is

981
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:52,960
different. That is just the permission

982
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,400
to establish the property to dwellings,

983
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,599
>> but then they pay a rental license every

984
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:00,160
year.

985
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,880
>> Correct.

986
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,319
>> So, um,

987
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:05,359
>> that's our land license that's 30 days

988
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:05,839
long.

989
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,000
>> But is that, help me remember, is that

990
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,040
for the basement ADUs or did we pass

991
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,280
something where they only pay that once?

992
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,640
>> Correct. Correct.

993
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,839
>> So, we need to change that then.

994
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:20,000
I suppose if they've been switch it to a

995
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
short-term rental.

996
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,040
>> So, how are they showing that they

997
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,160
>> it's owner occupied?

998
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,720
>> How how how are the owner occupied? How

999
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,560
are you going to delineate them? Because

1000
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,920
they um haven't paid every year. They

1001
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,800
don't they're not going to be able to

1002
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,160
document. They're going to document.

1003
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,000
>> What we are requiring here is not the

1004
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
ADU license. We are requiring the rental

1005
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,640
dwelling license.

1006
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,640
>> Okay. Perfect.

1007
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,960
So, if it's an owner occupied and

1008
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,280
they're using their ADU, they should

1009
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
have obtained

1010
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,520
a rolling license. Okay. Thank you for

1011
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,720
clarifying that.

1012
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,359
>> What you know, three years old since

1013
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:01,839
>> Uhhuh. But they didn't.

1014
00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:03,280
>> Well, oh, go. Oh, I'm sorry.

1015
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,160
>> Wait a minute. So, um, do we not require

1016
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,560
rental licenses to be renewed early?

1017
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,440
>> We do. We require I

1018
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,560
>> not if it's a

1019
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,920
>> you're the loophole is what I'm trying

1020
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,640
to say.

1021
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,720
>> Not if the owner occupied any but the if

1022
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,079
you're rent if you're renting the whole

1023
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,079
home it is an annual $55 rental dwelling

1024
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:22,400
license.

1025
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,560
>> So but in this

1026
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,720
they would still be a they they should

1027
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,880
still be able to meet one three and

1028
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,319
four.

1029
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:31,920
>> I would anticipate they still even if

1030
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,760
they're renting the basement they still

1031
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,079
should be able to meet 1 2 3 and four.

1032
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,359
>> Okay. So I guess I'm thinking out loud

1033
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,760
here. will fix that problem with the ADU

1034
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,440
not having to get a rental license every

1035
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,839
year by

1036
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,359
them having to prove that they were a

1037
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,400
short-term rental because they're going

1038
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480
to be doing 1, three, and four,

1039
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,079
providing documentation for 1, three,

1040
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,200
and four. If

1041
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,119
>> then I'm going to clarify this. If they

1042
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,520
are operating or had operated as a

1043
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,079
short-term rental prior to January 1st,

1044
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,920
2025

1045
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,640
for them to get a legacy status, they

1046
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,720
would have to show all one, two, three,

1047
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,960
and four regardless if it was a home

1048
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,560
whole home. Okay.

1049
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,839
>> Or if it was a basement.

1050
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:17,040
>> Yeah. So they have to meet all four.

1051
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,750
>> And my last thing is um

1052
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,800
So, this you started off by saying, you

1053
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,480
know, this is for the people that said,

1054
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,400
"I thought I was doing everything

1055
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,400
right."

1056
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,480
Um, the fairness

1057
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,599
uh status regulation is what this one is

1058
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,079
basically. So, I guess I'm just going to

1059
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,000
make a comment. I think that people

1060
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
living in the neighborhood, buying a

1061
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
home in a neighborhood that they thought

1062
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,599
was homes

1063
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,800
residential, not commercial enterprises,

1064
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,640
also thought they were doing everything

1065
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,960
right, buying their home in the right

1066
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,040
place. And I'm just thinking of the

1067
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,480
woman who said she has short-term

1068
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,720
rentals on both sides of her, you know.

1069
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,560
So, this will essentially or and the

1070
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,160
other woman who said she had three on

1071
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,960
her street. So, this essentially gives

1072
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,480
no relief to those people

1073
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
because we're we are grandfathering them

1074
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,280
in.

1075
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,440
>> Well, no, we are not grandfathering them

1076
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,800
in. There is no uh legal non-conforming

1077
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,680
right here. So it's not a grandfather.

1078
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880
This would be providing an exemption to

1079
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,000
if you were to go to the non owner

1080
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
occupied option.

1081
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,319
And this would only grant an exemption

1082
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:37,680
to density and the numerical cap.

1083
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,319
It doesn't and that's also assuming that

1084
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,079
all three of those on that one street

1085
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,079
also had come in and reoptained a rental

1086
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,160
dwelling license. Um, so there there are

1087
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,440
ways that this still is curbing or

1088
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
pausing the growth of short-term rentals

1089
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,720
that are non-owner occupied while also

1090
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:00,079
giving olive branch or or mercy to those

1091
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,240
who thought that they were offering or

1092
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,040
operating uh lawfully.

1093
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
>> So what we could do too, I know we've

1094
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,359
talked about this before. I think I

1095
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:10,720
think it was when we met. I think it was

1096
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,560
I think Lenate was when you and Jake and

1097
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,400
I met. And I can't remember who which

1098
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,520
council member it was, but I'm going to

1099
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,000
tweak this a little bit. So, we could do

1100
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,319
as a council say since we don't know how

1101
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:25,839
many legacy rentals there are, but if we

1102
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,800
set a cap of let's say 20, we're just

1103
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,510
going to have 20 non-owner occupied

1104
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,079
rentals in the city, short-term rentals.

1105
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,160
Then there are ways or vehicles. We

1106
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,800
talked about a lottery. He talked about

1107
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,520
how those who maybe those who meet one

1108
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:54,720
through four put their name in a hat and then we it's so it's not a it

1109
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,359
doesn't have to be everybody necessarily

1110
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,599
but it doesn't have to be nobody. It's

1111
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:04,240
we we as a council can decide what we

1112
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,920
comfortable with on a non-owner occupied

1113
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,680
and density could also be taken into

1114
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,920
that consideration. location.

1115
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,760
>> Location. Yeah.

1116
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,440
>> So, Jen, I'm gonna just ask because

1117
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,760
Jen's not here in person. Do you have

1118
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,349
any questions?

1119
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:23,280
» Uh, thank you for that. No, I don't

1120
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,400
currently have questions. I'm just

1121
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,240
listening to the discussion. Thank you.

1122
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,599
>> Okay. Um, can I just Is there anybody

1123
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,000
else have questions so far about what

1124
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,359
new information Jake has presented to us

1125
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,839
today before he goes back? He's got got

1126
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:39,839
what about 12 minutes? 15. You know

1127
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:42,400
what? Sorry late got about 15 minutes

1128
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,839
left. I know you want to go back through

1129
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:45,839
the slides and try and reach some

1130
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:48,800
consensus on some issues.

1131
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,440
>> Okay,

1132
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,200
>> with that um I I'm going to give my

1133
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,680
perspective here and put myself out on

1134
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480
the ledge as your trail guide. So don't

1135
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,630
push me over the ledge.

1136
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,200
But I view

1137
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,400
um the council as being in three very

1138
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,800
distinct camps. Um I feel that there are

1139
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,440
council members that are in camp one

1140
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,880
which is uh to maintain a prohibition or

1141
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
to clarify that prohibition. I feel that

1142
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,680
there's a second camp that is in the

1143
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,200
middle that feels very comfortable in

1144
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,040
allowing owner occupied short-term

1145
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,280
rentals. And then I feel that there's a

1146
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,720
third camp which is more open to a broad

1147
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,359
regulation allowing non-owner occupied

1148
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:39,359
and owner occupied. Um I don't believe

1149
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,720
that any one camp has a majority or

1150
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,200
consensus approach at this point. Is

1151
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,839
that does anybody disagree with that

1152
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:51,280
statement? Okay. Where there is no

1153
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,200
objection or disagreement. Um I do

1154
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,960
believe that this is the foundational

1155
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
question that has to be resolved because

1156
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,119
I think the other questions that are

1157
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,280
there will answer themselves as we move

1158
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,720
past that foundational question. Um I do

1159
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,520
believe that there is consensus as to

1160
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,000
qualitative controls, quiet hours, 24 uh

1161
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,359
247 response requirements, enforcement

1162
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,359
mechanisms. There may be small

1163
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,920
discrepancies as to how much a fine

1164
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,640
should be if it's not high enough. There

1165
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,559
may be some smaller discrepancies in how

1166
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,800
we approach parking or or density. But I

1167
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,119
think this is the number one question

1168
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:38,880
and I think the other number two

1169
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,720
question is how do we address occupancy

1170
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,319
within whichever road you take.

1171
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,160
Um,

1172
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,839
with that being said, I am happy to come

1173
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:54,960
back to the council at a council meeting

1174
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,720
with competing ordinances

1175
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,640
um, if that is the desire of the council

1176
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,440
to move forward. I'm happy to work with

1177
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,040
council members to craft a compromise

1178
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,960
ordinance if that is the approach. I do

1179
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,359
view and again this is me standing on

1180
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,040
the ledge

1181
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,440
um I do believe that there is potential

1182
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,559
consensus in the area of owner occupied.

1183
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,400
I do believe that there is willingness

1184
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440
to compromise amongst council members to

1185
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,839
get to an ownero occupied regulation.

1186
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,559
There may be a group of council members

1187
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,599
that are willing to expand beyond owner

1188
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,559
occupied to allow a limited version of

1189
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,880
non-owner occupied and owner occupied.

1190
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Is that a fair statement? Is there any

1191
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,319
objections to what I've just laid out?

1192
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:56,000
>> So, are you asked two things there?

1193
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,160
>> Okay, let me ask let me ask them as as

1194
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,599
separate questions. Is there

1195
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,000
a group of council members who would

1196
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,000
want to see owner owner occupied only

1197
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,150
version of an ordinance?

1198
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,839
Yes,

1199
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,160
>> it would depend on how big the opt

1200
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,920
option. How many would I am firmly in

1201
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,920
option two

1202
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
and I'm looking over at option three but

1203
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,760
with a very like

1204
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,400
20 at the moment just very very limited

1205
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,040
baby steps. Let's let's go a tiny bit.

1206
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,680
>> If I is there willingness of the council

1207
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,119
to come back for me with an only only

1208
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,079
owner occupied ordinance?

1209
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,040
>> I'm in favor of that.

1210
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,839
>> So if I could just maybe just Chris, how

1211
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:46,880
do you feel about that?

1212
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,040
>> No, I'm I'm leaning towards very limited

1213
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,280
but allowing some of the other.

1214
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,760
>> Okay, Crystal, you I believe shook your

1215
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,359
head. Yes. Affirmative. L same. Yeah,

1216
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:00,079
>> mayor

1217
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,079
>> probably would

1218
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,160
probably lean toward the owner occupied

1219
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:04,960
only.

1220
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,800
>> Okay, Jeff,

1221
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,880
>> uh leaning towards owner occupied, but I

1222
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,440
would be willing to listen to the

1223
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,000
discussion about a little bit of wiggle

1224
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,520
room. Okay. And Quinn, as to owner

1225
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,880
occupied only,

1226
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,760
>> um I'm interested in um an ordinance

1227
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,319
that allows limited numbers of non-owner

1228
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:28,559
occupied if we meet certain criteria.

1229
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:29,760
>> Okay.

1230
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,720
>> Jen puts Jen is

1231
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,119
>> Yeah. I'm also interested in looking at

1232
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,960
the third option within limited

1233
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,839
criteria.

1234
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,160
With that said,

1235
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,720
is it the council's desire for me to

1236
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,640
come back at a council meeting with

1237
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,400
those two competing ordinances

1238
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,319
for consideration?

1239
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,640
>> I would like a vote on option one,

1240
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,839
council to vote on option one also

1241
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:00,400
>> on pro from the prohibition.

1242
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,960
>> Oh, on a flat. Okay. You you would like

1243
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,280
to ask the same question but just saying

1244
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,280
is anybody in favor of option one?

1245
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,920
Correct.

1246
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,160
>> Okay. Okay. Let's

1247
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,800
>> So, so those two the council would be

1248
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,839
wanting me to do that. Okay. With that,

1249
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:17,520
>> is there any council members that want

1250
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,880
me to bring forward a prohibition

1251
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,800
ordinance to compete with the other two?

1252
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,359
>> Um, again, I'll just go through the

1253
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:28,160
list. Chris,

1254
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:28,960
>> no.

1255
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,200
>> Yes. Yes. No.

1256
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,040
>> No. No.

1257
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,000
>> Jen,

1258
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,400
>> no.

1259
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,079
Um

1260
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,920
so where there's not full I'm I don't

1261
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,960
anticipate bringing that forward. Um and

1262
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
just coming with the two competing or

1263
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,160
does how does the group feel about just

1264
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,640
those two

1265
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,400
I'm seeing some shaking heads. I'm

1266
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,319
seeing

1267
00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:57,280
>> I want to see what you bring.

1268
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,720
>> I'm in favor of that. I'm in favor of

1269
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,680
med

1270
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,640
>> Yeah. We're going to get both. Okay.

1271
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,480
with that process. Um, how am I on time?

1272
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,440
>> Got 10 minutes.

1273
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,960
>> Um,

1274
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,680
with that process,

1275
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,040
um, is it still the council's desire to

1276
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,400
have a public hearing with,

1277
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,839
well, actually, let me take one step

1278
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,000
back. Do you want that conversation to

1279
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,400
take place in a work session or you want

1280
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,160
that conversation to take place in the

1281
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,960
regular council meeting?

1282
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,240
I think we'll get more done in a work

1283
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,079
session.

1284
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,440
Okay, Quinn. Jeff, I agree with that.

1285
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,760
>> I think we're just I think we need to

1286
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,440
get a few more things ironed out before

1287
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,520
we go to the public because I do want

1288
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,800
the public to weigh in.

1289
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,839
>> Okay,

1290
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,880
>> yeah, I'd like to see the We've just,

1291
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,319
you know, talked about all kinds of

1292
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:50,240
things. Let's let's funnel it down and

1293
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,000
get specific.

1294
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,040
>> You feel the same?

1295
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,119
>> I' I'd like to see I'd like to have more

1296
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,960
discussion in the work session, but I

1297
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,160
would also like to be in council session

1298
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,599
before

1299
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,599
Yeah, two of them. Yeah,

1300
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,160
>> Chris, agreed.

1301
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Jan,

1302
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,960
>> yeah, I think we need more discussion

1303
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,319
and I think the work session is probably

1304
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:11,839
more productive.

1305
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:14,000
>> Okay,

1306
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,839
so um with that said, when would the

1307
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:20,160
council like me to come back with those

1308
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,760
two competing ordinances to be

1309
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,359
considered in the work session?

1310
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:27,520
When could you

1311
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,880
>> when is our next work session?

1312
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,240
>> It's not the It's not the 9th because

1313
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,960
that's that's our budget and draft and

1314
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,800
warmfest. So

1315
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,990
>> 23rd

1316
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:44,880
» be June 23rd.

1317
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,800
>> June 23rd next

1318
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,880
>> June 23rd.

1319
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,079
>> Is that enough time on

1320
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,240
>> that calendar? Okay.

1321
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,390
>> To make the 23rd happen.

1322
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,799
» Can I make one request? I would like to

1323
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:01,280
get your slides a week before.

1324
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,760
>> I would like to get the ordinance drafts

1325
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,799
to both for both out to the councils for

1326
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:08,720
consideration well before

1327
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,319
>> at least eight days. I need like I

1328
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:13,839
weekend or something. It's really hard

1329
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:16,720
to prep for council

1330
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,520
unless I'm working on my weekends.

1331
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,880
So will your ordinance draft include

1332
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,400
the in one of the or both of the

1333
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
ordinances as far as occupancy a square

1334
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,160
footage?

1335
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:28,640
>> Yes.

1336
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,520
>> Option.

1337
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:30,079
>> Yes.

1338
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,430
>> Okay.

1339
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,119
» Is there so um where I've got just a few

1340
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:40,640
minutes.

1341
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,119
I want to clarify

1342
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:47,040
each proposed ordinance just briefly

1343
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,280
for owner occupied.

1344
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,280
Is there anything

1345
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,960
in particular that the council is

1346
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,000
looking for in an owner occupied only

1347
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,799
regulation that they would like to see

1348
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:00,799
that has been discussed or has not been

1349
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:04,630
discussed?

1350
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,079
» Of those provisions that we've talked

1351
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:06,960
about is there something

1352
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,760
>> ADU make it require an ADU? Is there is

1353
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,160
there any strong feelings that you want

1354
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,720
to make sure is is included?

1355
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,599
>> I would like to see

1356
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,599
that

1357
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,480
Oliver must be in residence when the

1358
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,349
short-term rental is being rented out.

1359
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:28,880
So maybe it's owner occupied, but

1360
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,319
they're traveling a lot of the year or

1361
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:33,119
whatever. date.

1362
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:34,559
>> So, you want a you want an owner, you

1363
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,079
want a phys the physical presence of

1364
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:37,599
somebody upstairs or downstairs or

1365
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,720
wherever on the property

1366
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,920
>> available if there's a problem

1367
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,520
basically.

1368
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,359
>> I'd like it to be um a certified ADU.

1369
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:50,319
So, not a boarding house model, anything

1370
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:54,640
to not have a boarding house model.

1371
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,000
So, you'd have to have an ADU

1372
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:05,829
permit plus a short license

1373
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,359
for

1374
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:11,440
the other competing ordinance. Um, as

1375
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,440
some council members have expressed,

1376
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,119
they are open to it, but with extreme

1377
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,960
guard rails. What are those extreme

1378
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,160
guard rails that council members are

1379
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,160
looking for for the competing orders?

1380
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,319
Maximum 20

1381
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:25,200
>> maximum

1382
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,799
>> 20

1383
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:27,920
>> in the entire city.

1384
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,799
>> 20

1385
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:30,400
>> within the city number.

1386
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,040
>> Yeah. So like 001%.

1387
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,559
>> Well, I don't know the percent. I just

1388
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,160
20 max for non-owner occupied.

1389
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,079
>> I'm interested in up to 1%. Residences

1390
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,040
>> and I would say um

1391
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,599
that that is spread out among the

1392
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:49,200
neighborhoods.

1393
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160
>> So density requirement. Yes.

1394
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,799
So one area isn't bearing the brunt of

1395
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:55,280
something.

1396
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,480
>> I also support density

1397
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,760
>> and that

1398
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,520
>> I don't I'm not comfortable with three

1399
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,280
strikes

1400
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,880
more comfortable with two

1401
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,680
>> strikes under that

1402
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,760
>> strikes the stakes if we do non-owner

1403
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,839
occupy that the stakes need to be very high

1404
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,680
>> for the owners as part of

1405
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,400
>> and I'd also like to look at the fines

1406
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,440
for it. If we're sending it to be a

1407
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
fine, it should be commensurate with the

1408
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,680
rental price of the property and not a

1409
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,200
flat fee for anybody.

1410
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,520
>> Well, I think you have a minimum

1411
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,280
>> and maybe and then escalates according

1412
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,799
to the value of the of the rental

1413
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,559
because otherwise

1414
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:39,359
>> over 5,000.

1415
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:42,640
>> Okay. So, so just be multiply

1416
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,400
a night. Your fee should not be

1417
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,599
commensurate with something that's

1418
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,240
running for $700 in the

1419
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,630
>> Gotcha. Okay.

1420
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,559
» Well, I'm gonna disagree with that in a

1421
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:56,160
sense that I think we should have a flat

1422
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,160
fee, $500 or,000, whatever we had there,

1423
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,720
and then it goes up based on the value

1424
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,359
of the profit, you know, the rental

1425
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:06,480
opportunity.

1426
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,680
>> I'd even be okay with that

1427
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,280
>> minimum and then kicker

1428
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,400
>> because otherwise they just pay the

1429
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,559
>> see wait three year or five years and

1430
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,520
then get

1431
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,119
>> alter of those guard rails.

1432
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,920
>> I also want to know what what does

1433
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,030
constitute strike

1434
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,359
» is it a complaint that's been gone

1435
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,440
through verified and then that that's

1436
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,960
kind of what I envision one that's gone

1437
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,960
through the process that has been like a

1438
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,799
verified

1439
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,240
uh proven complaint

1440
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,599
>> but I want that laid out.

1441
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,119
>> Yeah, it needs to be laid out.

1442
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,440
>> Yeah. So everybody clarity to that

1443
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,480
transparency.

1444
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,359
>> Yeah. And to that I just I'm I'm I'm I

1445
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:48,400
just don't know what to do about this

1446
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,240
because I don't want to have to have our

1447
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,000
police verify because I know I've had

1448
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,240
people say I called dispatch. They said

1449
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,520
the police don't come out for something

1450
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,440
like that 10 p.m. 11 p.m. 2 a.m. You

1451
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,040
know, obviously because they're busy

1452
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,520
doing other things. So how do we are we

1453
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,599
going to pay for an NIT officer to be on

1454
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:11,280
call? Um because our police should not

1455
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,240
be really handling that kind of stuff.

1456
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,230
>> That's a good question.

1457
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,160
» It's the scenario.

1458
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,920
>> So someone calls in a short-term rental

1459
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,240
violation at 2 a.m. They call dispatch

1460
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,160
and dispatch is like, "Yeah, our

1461
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,040
officers are busy right now."

1462
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,799
>> They would I wouldn't want them going

1463
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:32,559
out if it was a code violation, but if

1464
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,160
it was a criminal violation, noise

1465
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,880
complaint or disturbing the you know,

1466
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,640
disorderly conduct type stuff. Oh,

1467
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,119
>> yes. We would respond to that. But the

1468
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,079
code enforcement part is more difficult.

1469
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,160
>> Well, let me ask you this then. So, the

1470
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,720
lights turn on at 3:00 a.m. when the tenant checks in. So, I call

1471
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,079
and I'm like, "The lights are on right

1472
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:53,839
now, shining in my bedroom." yada yada.

1473
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:55,599
They didn't take care of this. Does that

1474
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,599
have to be verified by a police officer

1475
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,319
or does that complaint count?

1476
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:01,680
>> You see what I mean? I mean, I don't

1477
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:02,160
know how to

1478
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,559
>> It comes down to a little bit of yes, it

1479
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,280
would count. Here's the here's the

1480
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,119
problem is one of the things we've heard

1481
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:10,799
ongoing is neighbors don't want to have

1482
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:12,079
to come in and testify against

1483
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:12,799
neighbors.

1484
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:13,200
>> Yeah.

1485
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,680
>> So then who is our witness? So that's

1486
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,760
why we'd have an officer go out and

1487
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,599
confirm or corroborate and then the

1488
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,000
officer can be the one that testifies.

1489
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,680
So we we work through different ways

1490
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,480
that an onduty officer could go out make

1491
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,440
the observation make a you know knock

1492
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,559
and talk and then leave refer the case

1493
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,839
to NIT for follow-up investigation.

1494
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,240
Um, there are ways to do that. Yes. Does

1495
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,720
it take manpower off of patrol? It does.

1496
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,720
>> Respond to barking dog calls, too.

1497
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,079
>> Yeah. But I'll just give an example of

1498
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,319
Temponoga's parking lot. The kids doing

1499
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:49,119
all the wheelies and stuff. It took like

1500
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,040
several calls cuz you guys were busy

1501
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,640
doing other things and that was not a

1502
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:53,200
priority.

1503
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,119
>> We responded 32 times and

1504
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,119
>> we did several great things, but I'm

1505
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:58,720
saying they were I got complaints. Well,

1506
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,240
they never came. I called it and I'm

1507
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,520
like, they're police officers. They're

1508
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,319
doing other things, you know. So, I'm

1509
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:07,119
just saying that scenario could happen.

1510
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,200
How do we while we're coming up with

1511
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,520
this process, come up with a solution to

1512
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,119
it? So, it's not

1513
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,160
>> I mean, right now, I don't see one.

1514
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,160
>> I think we would need to respond and to

1515
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,359
do just that to verify it.

1516
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:29,839
and down to back to the Tempova Park. I we responded 32 times and on the 33rd

1517
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:32,319
we issued a citation and received

1518
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:33,839
complaints because we were being too

1519
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:34,559
strict

1520
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,319
>> and we're like well we've been here 32

1521
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,559
times telling you need to not be here

1522
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,480
and so

1523
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,920
there's going to be times where we don't

1524
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,400
get there to observe the station

1525
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,799
>> uh because we were elsewhere

1526
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:47,760
we would respond.

1527
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,920
>> So how do we solve that as a council? to

1528
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,839
me. I don't want it to be on you. I

1529
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:53,359
don't want you to get the bad press

1530
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:54,559
because you didn't show up while the

1531
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,880
violation was happening. Can we do maybe

1532
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,160
that and I'm just thinking out loud.

1533
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,710
Maybe that's an on call nit

1534
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,400
» if it's a criminal if it falls in the

1535
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,119
criminal code.

1536
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,440
>> I see what you're saying, but if it's

1537
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Yeah,

1538
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,200
you're doing a storm.

1539
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,720
>> It needs to be built into the fees that

1540
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,119
they pay to cover the costs of of

1541
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,039
mitigating those kinds of things.

1542
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,640
Otherwise, we're doing it to the

1543
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,720
neighbors again. The neighbors carry the

1544
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:23,760
brunt of it.

1545
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,440
>> It's just hard. It's hard to figure out

1546
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,960
the end of the day, how do we make sure

1547
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,799
that we're operationally efficient, too,

1548
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:34,559
because we only get one of those calls a

1549
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,670
week

1550
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,079
» has to have be low priority for our

1551
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,240
police officers.

1552
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,240
And and if we can come up with other

1553
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,559
ways to build evidence when when there's

1554
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,079
a violation that we won't exhaust the

1555
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:53,760
other way evidence

1556
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,440
>> like a video do you get videos for

1557
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,720
people

1558
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,920
>> house party right

1559
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,079
>> as long as the neighbor is willing to

1560
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,720
cooperate with our process then yes

1561
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:03,119
exactly

1562
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:04,640
>> problem is where the neighbor then says

1563
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,559
well I don't want to be known I don't

1564
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:07,839
want to be involved but I want the

1565
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:10,240
problem to go away that puts us in that

1566
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,880
quandry of we still need somebody to lay

1567
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,359
the foundation for that.

1568
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:17,200
>> And if we have to have a post officer

1569
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,839
come out, we need to calculate how many

1570
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:21,760
times they come out, how many manh hours

1571
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,760
that is, and make sure that that's in

1572
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,440
the budget through this process,

1573
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,680
>> which we'd be able to do. So again,

1574
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,160
we'll set an initial fee and then we'll

1575
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,400
engage with and then and then time will

1576
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,039
tell, statistics will evaluate, fees

1577
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,960
will be accordingly, and

1578
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,039
>> you'll just move on. But you need to

1579
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,839
eventually be covered for what

1580
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:46,720
citizens are asking for the city would

1581
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,200
be our intent. And let me ask one last

1582
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,480
question

1583
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,440
>> of where is the group on the legacy

1584
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,359
status as it to

1585
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:00,319
the non-owner occupied

1586
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,160
>> where does the council fill on the

1587
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,520
legacy status

1588
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,480
>> clarification on that request. So in

1589
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,039
other words, Jake, the legacy status

1590
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,720
could be applied to both ordinance

1591
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,640
options non uh let's see owner occupied

1592
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,440
only or limited

1593
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,960
>> non

1594
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,319
I don't think we had a limit on

1595
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:24,000
non-owner occupied, did we?

1596
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,599
>> No, there is no limit on the

1597
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,839
>> owner occupies, excuse me. So legacy

1598
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:29,599
status wouldn't necessarily come into

1599
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:31,839
play for owner occupied unless you were

1600
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:36,400
going to still allow legacy status

1601
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,119
the nonowner occupied in the owner

1602
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,119
occupied even though we're not allowing

1603
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:42,559
non-owner occupied

1604
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,359
>> the legacy status has to go. In my in my

1605
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:49,119
mind, the way I framed it in my mind is

1606
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,559
legacy status would only apply if the

1607
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,960
council was willing to extend the

1608
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,760
regulation to allow for nonowner

1609
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,039
occupied.

1610
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,799
>> Okay. So there' be no legacy status and

1611
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,839
owner occupied.

1612
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,160
>> So there is a version Jake, right, of

1613
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,640
owner occupied with legacy status for

1614
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,559
non-owner occupied but no non-owner

1615
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:14,400
occupied. So, I'm sorry. I don't

1616
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,280
remember discussing owner not having

1617
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,480
limits on owner occupied because I think

1618
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,200
it's important that we preserve our AU

1619
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,599
housing option and have a balance there

1620
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:31,760
too in our community. However,

1621
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,640
>> maybe I need you to clarify, Len. I I'm

1622
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,160
not sure I follow that. not limiting not

1623
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,960
having any type of um limit to ADUs the

1624
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,119
owner occupied

1625
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,960
can cause housing supply issues.

1626
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,480
>> So we want you want a density required

1627
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,319
density owner up there.

1628
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:54,880
>> Yes.

1629
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,349
>> But I think if it we have the ADUs

1630
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,359
» I think that's going to limit that to an

1631
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:02,640
extent because there's an expense

1632
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,799
involved in becoming

1633
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:06,400
Let's do

1634
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,240
>> I'm just saying my counsel's living in

1635
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,440
Springville because she couldn't find

1636
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,880
anything here.

1637
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,440
>> So again, I can provide that as an

1638
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,239
option for the owner occupied ordinance

1639
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:19,199
if the council wants to adopt the

1640
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,400
density restriction or a numerical cap

1641
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,920
if an owner occupied but it has not been

1642
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,080
a basic part of the conversation for the

1643
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,159
owner occupied.

1644
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:31,839
If that is an option that you want to

1645
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,600
see included in owner occupy, we can

1646
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:41,749
provide that option.

1647
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:43,440
» Did you get your Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

1648
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:44,640
>> I was just going to say, did you did you

1649
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,040
get your answer and guidance on the uh

1650
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,640
the legacy status?

1651
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,159
>> No, I didn't. So, thanks for asking.

1652
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:56,870
>> I don't know how I feel about that yet.

1653
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,239
» I don't know how I feel because I'm in

1654
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:02,719
camp. over occupied. So, I have to think

1655
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:03,759
about

1656
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:05,600
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you're like, if I have

1657
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,120
to, if that's going to happen, I want to

1658
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,239
have some say in it.

1659
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:09,920
>> But I Yeah.

1660
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,000
>> But I don't want that non-owner occupied

1661
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,799
to happen. I want to be

1662
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,319
>> our

1663
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:20,550
an official conundrum.

1664
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,719
» Okay. I will then prepare an option.

1665
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:26,960
You're about to be considered for option

1666
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,319
two for the non-owner.

1667
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:29,440
>> Well, I don't know. Do we have four that

1668
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,520
wants to do that? I'm not in favor of a

1669
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,199
legacy option.

1670
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,799
>> I would like to see it.

1671
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:39,120
>> Okay. I I just want to look at it to see

1672
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,520
and I and I'm with the mayor. I'm in the

1673
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,600
camp of non of owner occupied, but if

1674
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,679
there were some circumstances that it

1675
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:50,400
made sense,

1676
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,120
um I I'm not opposed to looking at that

1677
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,159
as an option. I I yeah

1678
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,199
>> I guess I want to understand

1679
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,920
>> but also based on

1680
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,120
density

1681
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,719
>> maybe let's talk privately because I

1682
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,480
would like to understand circumstances

1683
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,520
that make sense you know if if there's

1684
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,520
something that you're thinking of I

1685
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,120
would love to have that discussion if we

1686
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,199
don't have time today but

1687
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,679
>> and there may not be such a circumstance

1688
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:18,800
but if we've told somebody one thing and

1689
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,960
we're something different if there's a

1690
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,040
circumstance

1691
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,040
um then it would make sense That's I'm

1692
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,520
not opposed to considering that.

1693
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,000
>> Oh, is that the Yes. You like

1694
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,239
>> That's a really big wishywashy thing.

1695
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,719
>> Yes. I I I would like to look at that as

1696
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:37,760
an option.

1697
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,520
>> I'm wishywashy with him.

1698
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
>> Okay.

1699
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,960
>> Wishy

1700
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,520
legacy.

1701
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:48,960
>> Wishywashy.

1702
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,000
>> The heat though. We've got busy

1703
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,640
wishywishy last year. I'm

1704
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,880
>> I just want I just see it I just wanted

1705
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,560
>> I just want to see it as an option. I

1706
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,480
just want not that I'm going to support

1707
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,480
it necessarily. I just want to see it as

1708
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:01,679
an option and give me

1709
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:05,040
>> is there may be there may be an existing

1710
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,280
um that's non-owner occupied that would

1711
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,760
meet every criteria and have been

1712
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,800
perfect in the application. So we I just

1713
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,880
want to see it so that if there is that

1714
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,560
circumstance we're not just saying

1715
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,560
you're not occupied you're out. I want

1716
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,920
to see it. It's the only reason I want

1717
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,280
to see it. For instance, we've heard

1718
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,600
from people that live next door to their

1719
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,400
short-term rental.

1720
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,800
>> And with that said, then Jen,

1721
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,400
>> yes, I'm interested in looking at that

1722
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,679
as well.

1723
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,600
>> Okay.

1724
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,080
>> So, I will prepare that. Okay. Now, I

1725
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,760
feel like I have a clear direction to

1726
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,960
come back to competing ordinances for

1727
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,560
you to then push me off. One more

1728
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,320
request in your ordinance when we and

1729
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,760
this is the council to ask this

1730
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,360
question. When he comes back with the

1731
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,040
ordinance, I would like to take the time

1732
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,920
to go point by point and have us make

1733
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,120
decisions instead of rely on our past

1734
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,120
conversations. Let's just hammer it out.

1735
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,199
Is that what you're anticipating?

1736
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,000
>> I would present option one. talk through

1737
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,159
it and yes, if you want to hammer it out

1738
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:12,000
then or if you again

1739
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,159
I would anticipate I'd have direction

1740
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:15,679
there's support for this provision or

1741
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,600
there's not support for this provision.

1742
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,760
>> Can I ask just a procedural question for

1743
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,520
viewers Steve because I'm I'm going to

1744
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,840
play I'm I'm kind of new still.

1745
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,880
>> How much decision can we make in a work

1746
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,320
session?

1747
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,640
>> You can't make a final decision. So you

1748
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,800
can give guidance and direction. So, I

1749
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,920
think essentially what you would be

1750
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,000
telling Jake at the next meeting is we

1751
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,360
would like this to be in the draft

1752
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,760
ordinance that's going to go first to

1753
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:40,880
the council, then to the planning

1754
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,719
commission, then back to council.

1755
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:45,360
>> Gotcha. Okay. I just want to make sure I

1756
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,040
>> can You're still free to change your

1757
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,480
mind. Even if you tell them, "I would

1758
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,480
like this in the draft." At any point in

1759
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:51,840
the process, you're still free to change

1760
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,120
your mind and say you want something

1761
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:53,840
else.

1762
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,560
>> Oh, thank you.

1763
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,239
>> Can you have competing suggestions under

1764
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,880
one point in the draft?

1765
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,040
Well, I I think he's probably going to

1766
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,520
be going on a majority suggestion, if

1767
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,880
you will, as to what he puts in the

1768
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:05,679
draft.

1769
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:06,239
>> Absolutely.

1770
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:07,840
>> And then then there obviously could be

1771
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,360
discussion, you know, in the city

1772
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,960
council meetings and the planning

1773
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,630
commission to change or modify that.

1774
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,600
» Okay. Well, thank you. Um, feel free to

1775
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,400
push me off the cliff now.

1776
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,040
>> Jake's been very great guide. And also

1777
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,520
thank you mayor and for

1778
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,280
>> going through this difficult process of

1779
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,679
taking this step.

1780
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:34,800
I I know it's been kind of painful.

1781
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,679
Also, we are making progress though.

1782
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:40,719
>> I'm a I'm a big fan of focusing. I think

1783
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:42,719
exact staff and and employees get sick

1784
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,920
of me saying progress over perfection.

1785
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,080
We're making progress. So, thank you.

1786
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,520
>> I didn't like you saying you were at the

1787
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,679
cliff at the ledge. You know, you're

1788
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:55,040
they're the leader. Don't leave.

1789
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,520
We come rescue you.

1790
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,120
>> Jake, thank you.

1791
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,149
>> Jake

1792
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,080
question.

1793
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,159
>> All right. Our next item on our agenda

1794
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,800
is um Jameson know your force. And I'm

1795
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,600
taking it's not like the Star Wars.

1796
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,920
>> Not not quite

1797
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,199
>> but still a very important force.

1798
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:22,239
So, you know, 15 minutes for that and

1799
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,080
10-minute presentation and five minute

1800
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,640
Q&A.

1801
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,480
>> All right. Well, thank you, Mayor, City

1802
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,000
Council. I know we've been trying to get

1803
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,120
this for a few weeks and hopefully we

1804
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,800
can get through it quickly so you guys

1805
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,480
can get back on your agenda. But

1806
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:38,960
>> no, you you are part of our agenda and

1807
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,800
you can when you need.

1808
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,400
>> All right. So, know your force is our um

1809
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,320
it's a feedback system that we use for

1810
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,040
the community that allows individuals to

1811
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,360
be able to actually give surveys on

1812
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,679
officers through their

1813
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:55,199
majority of what we use it for is our

1814
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,960
traffic stops, which is majority of our

1815
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,280
interactions with individuals. So when

1816
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,400
we have a we pull somebody over, give

1817
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,400
them a citation, even if it's a warning,

1818
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,199
there's a QR code that is actually

1819
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,679
fixated to that citation. So they can

1820
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:11,360
take a picture of it and they can go

1821
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,840
through a series of three questions as

1822
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,520
well as they can ask additional or they

1823
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,440
can put additional comments. And this

1824
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,520
isn't necessarily just for positive

1825
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:20,719
praise and I'll show you guys some

1826
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,120
examples in just a minute, but it's also

1827
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,239
for uh criticism that they have on them.

1828
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:28,239
And you'll notice on all of our patrol

1829
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:30,239
vehicles, there's also a QR code on the

1830
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,640
very back. And so this is an example of

1831
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,719
uh one of our vehicles that we have. And

1832
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,719
so on the right hand side, there should

1833
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:39,760
be a QR code uh or on the left hand

1834
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,760
side, sorry, the QR code. And then on

1835
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,199
the right hand side, there's actually

1836
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,520
the number of the vehicle. So it's an

1837
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,080
identifier to be able to identify which

1838
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,800
officer this is relevant to. Um so this

1839
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,800
is kind of the basis of how we can get

1840
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,400
this information out. We also have

1841
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,400
business cards and on our business cards

1842
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,480
there's the QR code and again it all

1843
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,880
comes to know your force. Um this was

1844
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,840
established in 2021 I believe uh the

1845
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,920
previous chief met with a gentleman by

1846
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,560
the name of Scott Lowry who's local here

1847
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,800
and this is kind of his baby and we've

1848
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,480
been working with him and he's been a

1849
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,239
great partner and we've been able to

1850
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:15,760
give him some good ideas to kind of help

1851
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,080
grow his business as well too. So the

1852
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,280
needs that we needed within our

1853
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,600
department. So the three questions and

1854
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,040
this is the QR code. You can actually

1855
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,400
take a picture of it and you can see

1856
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,840
firsthand. But I provided you the

1857
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,520
questions for you. So the first one is

1858
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,840
please rate your interaction. And so

1859
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,840
this is just a generic question. Just

1860
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,159
rate your interaction. Um out of four

1861
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,760
out of five stars they're able to go on the right hand side. You can kind of

1862
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,320
see how that is. Uh if you pull it up on

1863
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,159
your phone, that's the way it basically

1864
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,800
is. You can kind of notate what your uh

1865
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,840
or your rating is per question. Uh

1866
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,280
question number two is based during your

1867
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,040
interaction how comfortable would you be

1868
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,000
with our officers providing service to a

1869
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,880
family member. So again uh this is just

1870
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,600
based on uh cumulative rating. Please

1871
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,679
share with us your comp uh compliments

1872
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,080
and concerns. So those are the three

1873
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,400
questions that we have. Um so it's kind

1874
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,600
of basic. We don't want people to have

1875
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,880
to spend a lot of time on it. We just

1876
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,560
want to get to the nitty-gritty. And

1877
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,080
then also if they want to provide their

1878
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,760
contact information they can. If they

1879
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,840
don't they don't have to. Uh but for

1880
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,199
some things, especially if there's like

1881
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:18,719
a complaint issue, we want to make sure

1882
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,640
we're able to re uh reach out to them

1883
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,239
and and try to make sure there's some

1884
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,480
form of disposition if there's a

1885
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,280
concern. And so with that information,

1886
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,199
um so far, I pulled these numbers last

1887
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,000
week. We've had 686 uh citizens that

1888
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,320
have actually responded. Um we have a

1889
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,320
4.1 average rating out of five stars and

1890
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,159
uh 77.3% of the responses were positive.

1891
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,159
And so that's good. It shows that we're

1892
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:45,360
not patting because you're going to have

1893
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,440
some people as you'll see. It doesn't

1894
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:48,320
really matter if they have an

1895
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,760
opportunity to speak, they'll speak. If

1896
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,520
they especially if they can be anonymous

1897
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,440
and um you'll be able to see. So, let's

1898
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:54,800
look through them. So, our breakdown of

1899
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,840
our submissions, uh one star, so someone

1900
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,440
just gave us one star, mind you, is the

1901
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,440
commutative of all of the questions that

1902
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,400
we've asked. Um we had 105 out of that

1903
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,600
breakdown. Um two stars 23, three stars

1904
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,320
28, four stars 49. But I'm proud to say

1905
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,960
that out of all of the stars, five, the

1906
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,400
highest that you can get, that's the

1907
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,640
majority of where our ranking is. And so

1908
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,239
that shows that our officers are doing a

1909
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,520
great job and it shows that the people

1910
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,840
that are participating um are giving us

1911
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,480
the accolades that our officers deserve.

1912
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:26,239
So some examples of some of the one

1913
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:27,600
stars again, they can create their

1914
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,440
comments. So the officer was rude.

1915
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,040
Officer was speeding on State Street

1916
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,640
going at least 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.

1917
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,320
I like this one. You guys literally put

1918
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,480
a QR code so we can be on our cellular

1919
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,159
device while driving. You guys are

1920
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,640
corrupt and you should be

1921
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,159
>> just scam.

1922
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:45,199
>> And then

1923
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:46,400
>> you get some that are just kill

1924
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,480
yourself. I mean you I mean you probably

1925
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,000
wouldn't be surprised but some people

1926
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,960
don't like the police. Uh so that's some

1927
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,400
examples of some stars.

1928
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,280
>> You just haven't got to know you yet.

1929
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,199
>> Yeah.

1930
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,440
Uh examples of two stars. Officer did

1931
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,840
not use his blinker. Again, depending on

1932
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,159
the individual that or that service,

1933
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,640
that was two stars. And that could have

1934
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,880
been more than likely not a traffic

1935
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,840
citation, but them using the QR code on

1936
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,320
the back of the vehicle to submit that,

1937
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,000
right? Uh just a little frustrated

1938
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,600
because I just got a ticket for a legal

1939
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,520
tent, which I understand, and I bought

1940
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,040
the vehicle like this from a dealership

1941
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,880
that told me it was legal, which I know

1942
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,800
doesn't matter. So, what I like about

1943
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,719
this one is that they got this they got

1944
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,159
the citation, but they also took

1945
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:32,320
ownership of Yeah. Um, I mean, I should

1946
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,679
have probably learned more, not just

1947
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:36,000
took their word for it. Uh, thank you so

1948
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,520
much for protecting me and my neighbors

1949
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,440
from cars parked with the left side

1950
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,760
against the curb. We all feel so much

1951
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,239
safer. I'm very happy to provide extra

1952
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:49,669
funding for the new city hall.

1953
01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:51,840
» Again, just examples of of two stars,

1954
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,840
right? Uh, didn't listen to us at all,

1955
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,760
were incredibly rude, and actually

1956
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,440
escalated the situation rather than

1957
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,000
calming it down. So the nice thing is is

1958
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,840
if there's if there's identifiers, if

1959
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,600
there's information, so one of the

1960
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,280
questions may be is what do you do with

1961
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,520
this information? If there's a situation

1962
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,120
where we have an identifier, it's a

1963
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,880
great training opportunity for officers.

1964
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,560
For instance, you know, someone that was

1965
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,600
speeding down State Street going 40 mph,

1966
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,440
additional context would be beneficial.

1967
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,120
Were they responding to a call where

1968
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,280
they weren't doing lights and sirens and

1969
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,320
they're trying to be a little bit more

1970
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,880
covert? Or was it they were just going

1971
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,840
50 mph down State Street? And so we have

1972
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,280
to understand that we are a public

1973
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,760
billboard and doesn't really matter what

1974
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,840
we do. It says ORM city. We represent

1975
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,640
them in the context of Family City USA.

1976
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,000
And so we need to make sure that we

1977
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,520
represent that regardless if we're going

1978
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,120
to a call. But there may be some

1979
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,800
additional information, some context,

1980
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,239
but we can use that as a training

1981
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:46,560
situation for those officers just to

1982
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,600
make sure they're aware. Um, let's see.

1983
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,920
Three. Uh, oh, this one was clever. So

1984
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,679
this is a twostar adab. I just want to

1985
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:55,360
throw the officer pulled me over saying

1986
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,679
I was on my phone. I was, but I was

1987
01:20:57,679 --> 01:20:59,600
scanning this.

1988
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,600
Then he asked if I've been drinking. I

1989
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,840
said, "Yeah." He asked me to step out. I

1990
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,320
said, "Okay, but hold my beer." He said,

1991
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,719
"No." Can you believe that? When you

1992
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:11,040
hold my beer, he did pick up the quarter

1993
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,669
bag I dropped. That was nice.

1994
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,760
» So, with, you know, some humor on the

1995
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,080
carrot,

1996
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,400
>> you would hope. Yes, 100% they're

1997
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,600
joking, but they have their their their

1998
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,760
few minutes of of fame now that we just

1999
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,760
post.

2000
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:30,880
>> I thought it was humor, so I wanted to

2001
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:31,120
add

2002
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,520
>> captured forever in our meeting our

2003
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,560
YouTube channel.

2004
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,280
>> Forever examples of three stars. I'm

2005
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,120
going to I'm going the speed limit. This

2006
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,719
cop was speeding, tailgating me, and

2007
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:42,640
shot the gap to get in front of me. All

2008
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,880
to stop at a red light. Didn't use his

2009
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,040
blinkers on left turn. Courteous and

2010
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,719
swift service. Thank you for keeping the

2011
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,480
road safe. didn't seem interested in

2012
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,880
helping and haven't heard anything back.

2013
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,560
So again, these are three stars and

2014
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,560
there's a there's some variations. Some

2015
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,239
are positive, some can be considered

2016
01:21:58,239 --> 01:21:59,760
negative, but again, it's all based on

2017
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,199
the subjectivity of the individual

2018
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,440
that's filling it out. Um, and I would

2019
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,440
say the majority of the ones that we

2020
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,040
receive would be what what do you guys

2021
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:11,040
think we would actually receive most on?

2022
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,920
>> No, I'll take you. Speed driving.

2023
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,280
>> Driving. I would say that's probably the

2024
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,800
biggest one that we are able to work on

2025
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,239
and do better at. So, uh, f examples of

2026
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,360
four stars, uh, five stars for

2027
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,679
congruentism, minus one for ruining my

2028
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:29,430
Spotify.

2029
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,920
See, officer was kind and understanding,

2030
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,320
friendly, but short, conversationalist,

2031
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,639
very kind and uh, reasonable officer.

2032
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,719
Have a great day. The officer was nice.

2033
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:40,239
He's not rude or anything. He was

2034
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:42,000
polite, and I was polite as well. No

2035
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
concerns or anything. I appreciate the

2036
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
calm voice he used.

2037
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,159
I did have an officer ask me once while

2038
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,880
I was speeding and I said I was

2039
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,639
listening to Duran Duran and I haven't

2040
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:56,159
heard that song in a long time.

2041
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,080
>> It was Duran Durant.

2042
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,560
>> Then some examples live

2043
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,320
>> thank you for all you guys do

2044
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,400
>> interacting uh were great. She was

2045
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,560
professional answered my questions.

2046
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,120
Y'all are cool. He let me in. He let me

2047
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,760
in. Truly a valiant moment for a surely

2048
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,000
valiant officer. Or police are

2049
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,840
fantastic, quick response, polite. We

2050
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,080
love our officers. I just drove past an

2051
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,600
officer stopped on the freeway helping

2052
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,520
someone change their tire. A very great

2053
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,199
act of kindness and service, and I'm

2054
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,760
happy to support them. So, as you can

2055
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,639
see, it for us, it's it's a resource

2056
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,560
that and and a tool that we can use

2057
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:33,760
number one to be able to collect

2058
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,080
subjective uh information from

2059
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,400
individuals uh as well as we can use it

2060
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,960
as a training opportunity. Um, one other

2061
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,960
element that this program does is in

2062
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,040
2023,

2063
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,600
uh, the state passed SB124, which

2064
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,639
required all police agencies to have an

2065
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:53,040
officer early intervention program, and

2066
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,280
that was supposed to be enacted in 2025.

2067
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,560
We were one of the first agencies

2068
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,199
because we were in relationships uh with

2069
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,639
know your force to be able to actually

2070
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,800
use them for our know for our early

2071
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,320
intervention program to be compliant

2072
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,239
with the state. And so we actually use

2073
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:10,239
these um these accommodations as well as

2074
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,719
complaints to be able to help with our

2075
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:15,440
early intervention program. Uh and so

2076
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:19,360
that is know your force. Any questions?

2077
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,760
Just comment that I really think it's

2078
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,239
phenomenal that our officers are open

2079
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:27,440
and willing and vulnerable enough to to

2080
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:31,199
do this and I think it's a I think it's

2081
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:34,960
overwhelming evidence that we do a an

2082
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,360
uncomfortable job of holding the line of

2083
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,280
the law, doing it in a way that is

2084
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,080
resident friendly that that that keeps

2085
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,000
in mind that people are humans and

2086
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,709
people make mistakes and and that

2087
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,560
» there's room for improvement for

2088
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,560
>> this is phenomenal.

2089
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,440
>> You had a quic question or comment.

2090
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,040
>> Um,

2091
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,320
Lieutenant Jameson, this is an awesome

2092
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,320
presentation. I I just think this is one

2093
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,600
of this is just outstanding.

2094
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,560
>> Um can you provide us with an example of

2095
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,719
something that you've changed as a

2096
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:13,840
result of feedback that surveys?

2097
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,360
So

2098
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,199
this particular one I can't give you

2099
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,159
feedback because I'm in support services

2100
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:21,199
but it would be more the patrol

2101
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,719
attendance but I would say the driving

2102
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:24,480
one for instance right you have an

2103
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,639
individual there's there's people that

2104
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:29,760
give us the code on the vehicle vehicle

2105
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,920
identification number and so for us it

2106
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,280
would be more of a training opportunity

2107
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,120
of someone going home. We know they're

2108
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,320
not going to a call but let's say

2109
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,000
they're on the freeway they're trying to

2110
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,360
get home but they're going a little bit

2111
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,440
faster than they should be. So being

2112
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:42,960
able to have that information and being

2113
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,400
able to use it as a training exactly

2114
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:45,679
what I just told you, we are a

2115
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:47,760
billboard. So that in itself is a

2116
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,000
training of just making sure people are

2117
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,320
understanding that it's different if

2118
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:53,600
you're in your personal vehicle. But

2119
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,440
when you have your vehicle number, you

2120
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,520
have a QR code, you have information

2121
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,080
that identifies who you are. You have to

2122
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,920
make sure that you're actually in a

2123
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,080
position where you are doing the speed

2124
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,239
limit unless you're responding to a

2125
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,080
call, which the state allows us to do.

2126
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,199
And so I would say that's number one.

2127
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,520
Number two is the communication and just

2128
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,440
being able to have individuals be able

2129
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,159
to have conversations and not like Bren

2130
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,639
was saying if you are interacting with

2131
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:21,199
someone treat them like a person and be

2132
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,360
able to actually have conversations and

2133
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,880
yeah we know they've committed a crime

2134
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:26,800
but you can still treat them as a

2135
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,400
person. And so one of the things that

2136
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,400
this individual even going backwards

2137
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,280
says this officer was uh courteous and

2138
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,040
swift. What was it? He was basically

2139
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,040
friendly but short conversationalist.

2140
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,560
Right? So he's friendly but short

2141
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,000
conversationalist. And so that's a great

2142
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,239
training tool of saying, "Yeah, we are

2143
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,239
vulnerable. We are in a position where

2144
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:45,360
we're giving someone a card and

2145
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,360
saying,"Hey, I want you to rate how our

2146
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,040
interaction was when I probably just

2147
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,120
gave you a citation." And so why can't

2148
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,040
we use that as a training tool of saying

2149
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,360
you can still sell the citation, you

2150
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,280
still be courteous, and you can still

2151
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,960
get the job done. You don't have to be

2152
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,320
you don't have to conversate with them,

2153
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,159
but you can still talk with them. And so

2154
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:03,840
I would say for more mostly for know

2155
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,159
your force, it's it's conversational.

2156
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,239
It's more humanizing individuals. It's

2157
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:09,600
getting them in a position where they

2158
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,280
realize they're going to be graded. So,

2159
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,880
make sure you put yourself on your best

2160
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,560
behavior and represent the city as well

2161
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,400
as the department as best as you can.

2162
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:17,760
And so, I would say that's more of a

2163
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,840
continual training of change of just

2164
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,679
making sure when we do get new officers,

2165
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,280
they understand that we hold them to a

2166
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,880
higher standard. We want to make sure

2167
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,719
that they continue to represent us in

2168
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:28,480
that way. And so I would say more for

2169
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,960
the newer officers and even when there's

2170
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,679
an attab boy if there is like a good uh

2171
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,520
a good one that comes in where it's an

2172
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,040
identifier we definitely want to praise

2173
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,920
that and say good job uh way to way to

2174
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,920
represent us and we want to use that as

2175
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,000
an example of what can be do what can be

2176
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,760
done. I don't know if that answers your

2177
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:46,000
question.

2178
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,480
>> Yeah. So just play it back three things.

2179
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,199
Um identify people with driving

2180
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:54,239
problems. Uh secondly help people be

2181
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,400
more courteous and conversational when

2182
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,480
stop. So there's kind of this training

2183
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:01,360
element for individual officers, but I

2184
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,440
think that last insight was was was

2185
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,400
helpful, which is that officers know

2186
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,239
that they're going to be rated, right?

2187
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,639
And so I think it just helps to create a

2188
01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:13,920
mindset of customer service. Uh the

2189
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,600
these these are people that we are

2190
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,880
serving. Um and it probably helps

2191
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,040
influence the culture overall.

2192
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,960
>> It's the culture 100%. And then I would

2193
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,480
even say going above and beyond that,

2194
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,560
it's a deescalation technique. I mean,

2195
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,400
if you can treat someone and you can

2196
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,480
have someone berate you and you can just

2197
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:32,080
keep calm, knowing that you're going to

2198
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,000
be evaluated, knowing that you're going

2199
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,800
to be seen, um, I feel it's a great

2200
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,639
deescalation tool to be able to actually

2201
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,400
just be friendly in the times when you

2202
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,360
don't want to,

2203
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,840
>> right? and and create that that that

2204
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,800
boundary between you and them of I'm law

2205
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,320
enforcement, but also again like you

2206
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,639
said, it's a professional courtesy of me

2207
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:53,600
being able to say, I understand this may

2208
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,679
not be what you want, but I'm doing this

2209
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:57,760
is what I'm doing.

2210
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,920
>> If if you as a department ever making

2211
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,800
any significant changes as a result of

2212
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,600
this, it's about it.

2213
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,719
>> Thanks. Ask a quick question. So, um,

2214
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:11,440
first of all, thank you. uh this is this

2215
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,679
is a brave this is a brave thing to do

2216
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,199
because if there's anybody that's going

2217
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:16,800
to be

2218
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,159
it's going to have a target on them,

2219
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,520
it's the police officers. Um but I I you

2220
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,120
know the saying of if you can't measure

2221
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,120
it, you can't manage it goes a long

2222
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,800
ways. And I just think this is such a

2223
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:32,560
great open and honest tool to be able to know how you're interacting with the

2224
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,320
public.

2225
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,870
Um,

2226
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,880
I lost my train of thought. Dang, it was

2227
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:46,229
a really good one, too. Um,

2228
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:49,199
» well, it come to me uh eventually

2229
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:50,080
>> at 2 a.m.

2230
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,679
Yeah, that's that's when all

2231
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:52,480
good things.

2232
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:53,199
>> Yeah.

2233
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:57,520
>> Uh, anyway, I thanks for doing this. Um,

2234
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,719
but I I just I love the fact that that

2235
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:03,280
you're willing to gather information and

2236
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,320
then use that to make a

2237
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,080
to learn where there might be

2238
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,040
opportunities to improve. Um, another

2239
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,600
positive thing, I love the shenanigans.

2240
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,440
Um, those are fun to read and I think

2241
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:16,719
those little interactions with the

2242
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:18,880
public just help them to know that you

2243
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,800
guys are human and that you have sense

2244
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,040
of humor and that you have challenges

2245
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,360
and and all of the things. So, I just I

2246
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,000
appreciate you being willing to

2247
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,719
let people tell you what they think.

2248
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,880
>> I do get a lot of comments about your

2249
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,280
social media positive very you guys

2250
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,080
that's really humanizes you I think. Um,

2251
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,280
I really love that. It also is a service

2252
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,639
right to our community. So

2253
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:50,790
>> doing what you're doing. It's great.

2254
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,440
» Just curious if you do approximate

2255
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,800
percentage of how many of them are

2256
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,280
anonymous versus not all.

2257
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,199
>> Oh, that's a good question. I would I

2258
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:00,560
don't have that number, but just off the

2259
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,840
top of my head, I would say probably 20%

2260
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,760
would be more anonymous. Um,

2261
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,360
>> also 80%.

2262
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,239
>> I apologize. opposite 20% uh would be

2263
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,080
the millennials know who it is and 80%

2264
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,440
would be the

2265
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:14,320
>> guest.

2266
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:15,760
>> Yeah,

2267
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,120
>> especially when you're putting comments

2268
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,120
like that. The positive ones. Yeah, but

2269
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:20,000
I was going to say especially the

2270
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,960
negative ones. People don't want us.

2271
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,199
>> Thanks, Brandon, for triggering my my

2272
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:29,280
question. Is this available? Is this

2273
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,880
going to be available for the public to

2274
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,199
see? Uh not necessarily the comments,

2275
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,520
but the the ratings. Yeah, I believe on

2276
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,120
our website at one time we actually had

2277
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,520
that was actually embedded on our

2278
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,280
website and I'm not sure what the change

2279
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:42,880
if it isn't but yeah at the bottom of

2280
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,639
our website I believe it was familiar

2281
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,159
force.

2282
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,840
>> Well Pete, let's make note of recognize

2283
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,440
and celebrate.

2284
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,360
>> It's good job.

2285
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,239
>> Phenomenal

2286
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:59,040
that you did at the banquet that's to

2287
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,480
see the officers

2288
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:01,120
>> that was fun.

2289
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,960
>> They were young.

2290
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,239
I appreciate those that actually

2291
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,320
participated, too. So, thank you.

2292
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,040
>> That's so cute.

2293
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:08,400
>> Do we have those little cards at the

2294
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:15,030
door at city council meetings?

2295
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,080
» Oh, maybe you should automate.

2296
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,920
>> Every four years they rate the council.

2297
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,440
>> When that officer that writes out a

2298
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,360
ticket, the QR code has the baby

2299
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,350
picture.

2300
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,430
» Picture.

2301
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:32,000
» Any other questions? I had one really

2302
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:32,239
quick.

2303
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:32,880
>> Yes, sir.

2304
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,760
>> If somebody confessed listening to Duran,

2305
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,960
>> would that affect the citation ever?

2306
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,920
>> You know what?

2307
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,760
>> And in which way would they go?

2308
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,560
>> I would say on the age of our officers,

2309
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:51,830
I'm not sure how many people would know.

2310
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:59,030
» Not

2311
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,040
just saying

2312
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,600
Not on Guitar Hero. Come on. They

2313
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,550
understand that you are

2314
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,239
told to stop me.

2315
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:13,600
>> Right. Well, thank you guys.

2316
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,679
>> Thank you.

2317
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:19,440
>> All right. Our next presentation of Reed

2318
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,199
Price, our assistant public works

2319
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:24,400
director, confessed to me says that his

2320
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,239
presentation wasn't going to be very

2321
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:28,800
exciting, but he's had an hour and a

2322
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,320
half to create some razzledazzle.

2323
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,600
I'm going to tell you if it's about

2324
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,159
wastewater, there's razle and dazzle

2325
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:37,920
because we have a wonderful system that

2326
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,480
works.

2327
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:47,110
So yes,

2328
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,870
» grand soundtrack.

2329
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,590
» Good memories.

2330
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,159
» What's up tonight?

2331
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:01,910
>> Yeah, we're going to start sending you

2332
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:08,310
» Split your screen. Oh, I do.

2333
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,960
» Okay. Thanks

2334
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:15,199
for uh this opportunity to uh

2335
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:19,120
to be here today. Uh this is an annual

2336
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,360
report that uh that we're required to do

2337
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:26,239
to inform the uh the governing body of

2338
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,000
um

2339
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,360
the POTW or the publicly uh owned

2340
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,199
treatment works, wastewater treatment

2341
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:36,480
plant. uh to assure you that we are

2342
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,880
taking great steps to ensure the

2343
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,120
long-term viability and sustainability

2344
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,120
of our collection system as well as our

2345
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,520
wastewater treatment plan. So, what is

2346
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,320
the MWPP? It's the municipal wastewater

2347
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,840
planning program. Uh it's a survey that

2348
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,719
we answer. It's a series of about 100 or

2349
01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:59,760
so questions uh specific to the

2350
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,679
financial condition of our utility uh to

2351
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,000
the condition of our collection system

2352
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,679
as well as the uh the treatment facility

2353
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,239
itself and these questions help us to

2354
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:14,560
evaluate and summarize

2355
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,880
technical operational and financial

2356
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,719
conditions of the utility. uh by doing

2357
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:23,760
so it helps us to identify areas that we

2358
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:28,000
might uh need to focus on more

2359
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,800
um and to focus on them before they

2360
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,880
become more serious and thus costly. So

2361
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,920
again this was we eval the the survey

2362
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,760
evaluates three different areas. First

2363
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,120
is the financial evaluation and then uh

2364
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,600
the collection system and the treatment

2365
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,560
facility. So as we went through the

2366
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,800
questions, the areas that it focuses on

2367
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,120
are efficiency of revenues. Do we have

2368
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,440
enough money to do what we to do? Um our

2369
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:01,120
answer to that is yes, we do. uh due to

2370
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,760
the uh the support that we've received

2371
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:08,159
from the city council uh in recent past

2372
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:12,159
uh to increase rates in order to allow

2373
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:15,120
us to make the improvements that we uh

2374
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,760
that are necessary uh in our collection

2375
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,040
system as well as at the facility. Uh to

2376
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,320
aid the the city council uh we had we

2377
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,639
conducted rate studies to show exactly

2378
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:28,239
what was needed. That's one of the

2379
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,320
questions. Have you conducted a rate

2380
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,639
study? Do you collect impact fees? Uh,

2381
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:35,840
which we do. Um, do you have a capital

2382
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,080
facility plan, a plan specific to the

2383
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,800
wastewater treatment plant and

2384
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,040
identifying things that are needed at

2385
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:46,639
the facility? And then overall master

2386
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:49,360
planning uh since that encompasses both

2387
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,960
the capital facilities plan as well as

2388
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,000
the uh collection system plans to line

2389
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,480
the pipes, clean the pipes, replace the

2390
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:01,520
pipes, uh increase the capacity of pipes

2391
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,639
in certain areas. So uh we were able to

2392
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:06,320
answer

2393
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,440
uh positively in all aspects of the

2394
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:12,800
financial condition uh of of this

2395
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,560
particular utility.

2396
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,800
When it comes to the collection system,

2397
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,360
which is the series of pipes running

2398
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,199
through our streets that collect sewage

2399
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:24,639
from all of our residents and convey it

2400
01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:26,080
down to the wastewater treatment

2401
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:27,920
facility. It asks for system

2402
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,400
characteristics, how old it is, what is

2403
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,520
the largest size pipe you have. Um, it

2404
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,080
asks if you've had any backups. Last

2405
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,280
year we did not have any uh backups. Um,

2406
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,400
backups are are very rare because of the

2407
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,880
program that we have to keep our pipes

2408
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,280
clean. Uh, how much new development have

2409
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,480
you had? Uh, what if you have a

2410
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,800
preventative maintenance plan? Uh, are

2411
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,600
you able to get around and clean uh the

2412
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,040
main lines on a frequent basis and and

2413
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,639
other residential lines as well? And uh

2414
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,639
asks additional questions about our

2415
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:08,080
master planning uh effort.

2416
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,320
It also asks about our staff. How many

2417
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,320
staff do we have on the collection? We

2418
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,679
have nine. Um and how many of those are

2419
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:18,800
certified? Three three of those are are

2420
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,560
certified with a grade four

2421
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,159
certification. The others are working on

2422
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:26,960
it. Um and in fact, I think someone's t

2423
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:27,679
>> two more.

2424
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:29,440
Five. Should have talked to

2425
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:30,960
Ryan right before.

2426
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,880
>> We have five last week.

2427
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,960
>> Oh, hello.

2428
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,440
>> I should have recognized Ryan, too. So,

2429
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:40,000
it's in my notes that I couldn't get to

2430
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,040
up without you guys seeing all. So,

2431
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,199
this time I'll be more prepared and ask

2432
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:49,199
Pete how to do that. So, uh but we we've

2433
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:51,840
got a good a good crew. We have some

2434
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,560
tenur employees that are that are uh

2435
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,920
guiding a younger generation

2436
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,800
uh that are new to the industry uh eager

2437
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,920
to learn and and great workers. And so,

2438
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,679
uh we're we're glad to have them on

2439
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:06,880
board.

2440
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,400
um under the mentorship of Ryan uh Chad

2441
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,320
Johnson and others.

2442
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,480
The last part of the survey is uh

2443
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:18,400
focuses on the wastewater treatment

2444
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,440
facility. It asks uh what are the flow

2445
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:23,600
characteristics? How what is this

2446
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,600
facility designed for? What flows are

2447
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,920
you receiving? Again, these questions

2448
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,840
are designed to have us look at it and

2449
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,239
say, "Oh my goodness, we're our flows

2450
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:34,960
are about to exceed the design capacity.

2451
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,480
We're in good shape. Things that were

2452
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:38,800
designed years ago and constructed, when

2453
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:42,719
it comes to uh the the treatment ability

2454
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:45,040
of the facility, we're we're in great

2455
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,280
shape. Um however, with the facility's

2456
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:50,880
master plant, there are improvements

2457
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,040
that we need to make to upgrade things

2458
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:57,119
and meet new regulations. Uh and so yes,

2459
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,280
we do need to despite saying we're in

2460
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:00,960
great shape, we do need to continue to

2461
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,520
invest and into the facility and uh we

2462
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,000
are able to do that.

2463
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,840
Uh it asks about uh facility maintenance

2464
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,679
if we've had any violations which we

2465
01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:16,880
haven't had. Um it also talks about

2466
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,560
master planning for the facility that

2467
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,280
capital facilities plan it's in place,

2468
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,159
we're following it. Uh, it also asks

2469
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:25,679
about the operators that run the

2470
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:28,800
facility. Uh, and Ryan, I guess I'll

2471
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,320
have to how certified operators

2472
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:32,880
>> four

2473
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:33,840
>> on treatment.

2474
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,320
>> Four.

2475
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,159
Okay. And then there's one grade

2476
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:36,719
two.

2477
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:38,400
>> One grade two.

2478
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,280
So, another young group that are

2479
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,639
studying and and uh will

2480
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:48,719
be uh will be uh are great resources and

2481
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:51,840
are the future of that uh of the

2482
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,320
facility down there. So, that's really

2483
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,679
all that I had to present. Um it's it

2484
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:02,080
again this is just an opportunity for us

2485
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,119
to report to you uh and to the state

2486
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,040
that we have informed you that we went

2487
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,119
through this process and we're confident

2488
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:11,600
that the position that we're in uh puts

2489
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,400
us in in in great shape to continue to

2490
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,159
provide this necessary and valuable

2491
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:18,880
service to the citizens of Orum. So with

2492
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,040
that happy to take any questions that

2493
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,040
you might have.

2494
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,679
>> She wants any questions.

2495
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:26,880
>> Good.

2496
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,040
Um, aside from the reclamation facility,

2497
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,800
which I know you love,

2498
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:31,920
>> what's your favorite thing about our

2499
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,560
wastewater treatment process?

2500
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:39,199
>> Um, the I would say the most the most

2501
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:41,360
fascinating thing there's there's

2502
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,520
several. I when I started my career, I

2503
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,679
knew very little about it and started at

2504
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,760
the wastewater treatment plant and

2505
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,600
running the lab and I was just

2506
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,159
fascinated by taking this dirty water

2507
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:56,480
and making it clean. That the big huge

2508
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:00,639
culture of microorganisms that basically

2509
01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:02,560
eat the organic material to clean the

2510
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,920
water uh was was fascinating. And to

2511
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:07,440
know that you had to keep it at certain

2512
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:10,080
concentrations and by getting rid of a

2513
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,880
certain portion after uh each day in

2514
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:17,360
order to keep the population steady and then what you do with those

2515
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,440
microorganisms. The biolets part is

2516
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:22,000
quite fascinating too where the disposal

2517
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:29,119
of the biomatter that's that's at the end. Seeing a nice clean

2518
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:32,480
clear product come through that's been

2519
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:36,320
uh cultured and and uh processed in such

2520
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,600
a relatively small square foot square

2521
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,360
footage of area. Uh duplicating what

2522
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:48,880
mother nature does on her own with uh uh

2523
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,800
only she can't handle such high volumes

2524
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,400
on her own. So we duplicate what she

2525
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,760
would do on her own.

2526
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,080
>> Yeah.

2527
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,040
>> There's an interesting gohead.

2528
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,560
>> I've heard similar.

2529
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,400
>> There's an interesting statistics that

2530
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:09,679
statistic that we've heard in the

2531
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:10,960
industry over the years that the

2532
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,000
Mississippi River from Minneapolis from

2533
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,880
Minnesota down to the Gulf is reused

2534
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,080
probably six times from top to bottom.

2535
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,719
And so it's uh it's a fascinating

2536
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:24,480
industry. Without the wastewater

2537
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,159
treatment plants that have been

2538
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:28,960
developed in the early 1900s, our death

2539
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,520
rates would average closer to 55 to 60

2540
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,480
years old. So it's a significant

2541
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:38,719
contribution to to uh human life and so

2542
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:41,040
you know our lifestyles,

2543
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,080
life quality and so on so forth. And I

2544
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,159
think Ryan even likes to rand too. So

2545
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:49,600
that's another interesting

2546
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,320
If if it weren't for that treatment

2547
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:58,229
55 or 60 your grand would be dead.

2548
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,320
» Songs would not be classic.

2549
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:01,360
>> Yeah,

2550
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:02,960
>> I wasn't going to go there, mayor, but

2551
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,960
that's a good that's a good point.

2552
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:06,639
>> One thing that so that the our

2553
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:08,560
legislature was proposing a bill this

2554
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,320
last year that required that we had to

2555
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,880
meet a certain MAGI, modified annual

2556
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,440
gross income, a certain percentage of

2557
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,040
that in order to qualify for getting

2558
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,119
some loans from the state. some low

2559
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,119
interest loans in some cases. If we

2560
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:23,360
didn't meet that, then say, well, you

2561
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,440
need to re-evaluate what Reed just

2562
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:26,960
presented on tonight. Are you do you

2563
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,199
have a financial plan that is robust

2564
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:31,840
enough to support your capital facil uh

2565
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,159
facilities plan? And is that in place?

2566
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:35,760
And if it's not in place, these numbers

2567
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:36,880
are going to reflect that, then you're

2568
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,960
not going to qualify. And so that what's

2569
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,520
the alternative? Well, communities are

2570
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,840
then required to go back and do these

2571
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,159
studies and then re-evaluate their

2572
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,080
financial models. and then rates will

2573
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:52,960
have to go up a little bit to be able to generate a u a sustainable future for

2574
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,600
their their water wastewater facilities.

2575
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,629
So

2576
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:01,360
again, appreciate Ryan and his group uh

2577
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,320
all they do to to keep the facility

2578
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,239
running and the the flow

2579
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,560
going uninterrupted down to the

2580
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,960
treatment facility and doing their jobs

2581
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,719
out of sight, out of mind.

2582
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:15,600
>> Thanks Rita. Thank you.

2583
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:16,400
>> I was going to

2584
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,199
>> you can flush the confidence as you say.

2585
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:22,719
>> We we really do have an exceptional team

2586
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:25,840
and and planning program. I mean, Chris

2587
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,560
and I were just hearing from um someone

2588
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,080
on the Tiffan sewer board that they

2589
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,119
they're looking at even bigger uh cost

2590
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,119
impacts for improvements that they need

2591
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:40,320
to do. So the fact that forum just done

2592
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,960
such a good job for such a long period

2593
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,520
of time of being sophisticated, planning

2594
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,639
ahead and and doing improvements over

2595
01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:50,159
time.

2596
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:52,880
Although we have more to go uh in the

2597
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,360
near future, we are in a much better

2598
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:00,000
spot relative to our neighbors.

2599
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:00,560
>> Thank you.

2600
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,400
>> You've been a great a great audience

2601
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,239
today.

2602
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:07,280
>> Dazzled and dazzled. Thanks, Reed.

2603
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:08,480
You're welcome.

2604
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:11,520
>> Our next razledazzle is going to be um

2605
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,360
Gary Mcan, our community development

2606
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,679
director. Blood damage prevention

2607
01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:18,400
amendments to chapter 10 of the ORM city

2608
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,280
code. It's for 10 minutes, five minute

2609
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:35,990
presentation. Five minute.

2610
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,270
Should

2611
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:50,870
I try

2612
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,149
to

2613
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:57,280
Is she in Dubai?

2614
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,560
I think she didn't want to be here for

2615
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,550
the first part.

2616
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,239
Be sure she was Oh, that's right. She

2617
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:06,719
was only in something.

2618
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:10,639
That's Dr. Park.

2619
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:14,080
That's she can't stay. That's one of the

2620
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,920
millions.

2621
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,719
>> What time must

2622
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,920
>> she's still stuck on Utah time?

2623
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:26,870
>> Well, that's not

2624
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:31,750
» I can smell that picture.

2625
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:38,870
» Yeah.

2626
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,040
just some

2627
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,040
young man.

2628
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,880
>> Okay, we're going to talk about uh

2629
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,719
our uh FEMA map or not our FEMA map but

2630
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:53,600
our uh flood damage prevention. uh we

2631
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,840
have to do an update to chapter 10 of

2632
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,880
our code. And

2633
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,159
so it's the National Flood Insurance

2634
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,960
Program that we're dealing with. And

2635
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,600
flooding in Utah is actually the most

2636
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,679
destructive and common natural disaster

2637
01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:12,400
we have. There's more dam property

2638
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,199
damage every year, year in year out from

2639
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:17,280
flooding than there is anything else

2640
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,600
that we have.

2641
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,760
And this is from the state, but it's a

2642
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,880
weird kind of stat statistic. So 60%

2643
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:31,600
of all Utah properties have a 25% chance

2644
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,480
of flooding during their 30y year

2645
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:39,350
mortgage.

2646
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,159
I had a I've had I've been in my house

2647
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:45,360
22 years. I've had two floods

2648
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:49,840
and I don't live anywhere near a creek

2649
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,639
or anything like that. They both have h

2650
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:56,000
one happened with a micro burst and one

2651
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,800
actually was uh the spigot on the

2652
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,040
outside of my house.

2653
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:05,119
Luckily

2654
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:07,760
where it broke was on the inside of the

2655
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:09,440
house on the inside the wall because

2656
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:11,119
then insurance covered it. We'll get

2657
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:13,199
into that. That'll be really important.

2658
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:16,400
If it had broken on the outside of the

2659
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,000
house and flooding from that came into

2660
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,639
my house, I would not have been covered

2661
01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:28,320
by insurance. So, uh, and 40% of all the

2662
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:31,760
damage in Utah happens outside of their

2663
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,080
high-risisk zones.

2664
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:35,760
So, it doesn't even happen that you'd

2665
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,639
think along the river or next to the

2666
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:41,679
lake, something like that.

2667
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:44,320
Okay. So, the National Flood Insurance

2668
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,159
Program was established back in the 60s

2669
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,040
and what it does is it provides

2670
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:55,119
federally backed flood insurance for us

2671
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:59,440
and it tries also to reduce damage from

2672
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,880
floods through uh mitigation and flood

2673
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:04,960
plane management.

2674
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,040
So

2675
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:12,000
we have uh there's a voluntary federal

2676
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:16,880
local partnership with this and

2677
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:21,920
we have to to access

2678
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,360
federal flood insurance rates and get

2679
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,639
mitigation grants and disaster

2680
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:31,119
assistance.

2681
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,760
We have to have an ordinance that's

2682
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:40,080
approved by uh the federal government. And we've

2683
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:48,229
had an ordinance since the 80s.

2684
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:50,080
» One of the most popular.

2685
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,400
>> Oh,

2686
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,719
use that as a

2687
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:57,360
>> I didn't know Duran Duran would come in

2688
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,199
today.

2689
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:00,719
>> What are they? What are the chances?

2690
01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:02,960
>> What are the chances of that happening?

2691
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,320
Well,

2692
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,040
>> 16%

2693
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:12,870
of of Yeah,

2694
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:17,830
» that must have been a long time ago.

2695
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,520
» At about the same time water was

2696
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,189
invented.

2697
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:26,880
So, so we have a current flood plane

2698
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,119
ordinance dealing with all of this and

2699
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,800
we have to have this ordinance that's

2700
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,760
approved and authorized by the federal

2701
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,960
government for us to access these

2702
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,480
benefits. And the reason why we're we

2703
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:44,080
have to do an update is uh there have

2704
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,840
been some changes. In June of 2024, they

2705
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,599
updated their maps and the original maps

2706
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:53,280
were kind of old. A lot of things have

2707
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,920
happened since then. Uh the changing

2708
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,960
flood risks. There's been some

2709
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,199
advancements in how we map and do

2710
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:05,520
things. Uh also Utah Lake shoreline has

2711
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,080
changed. So because of that, everything

2712
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,000
in our region uh has to be dealt with.

2713
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,400
And also there are some uncertified

2714
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,599
leveies out there and they're mostly in

2715
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:21,840
and uh Provo during the floods of 83

2716
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,239
Provo constructed levies but they were

2717
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:27,360
not Army Corps of Engineers certified

2718
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,480
and that creates some unique

2719
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:34,320
difficulties for any community that has

2720
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,199
something like that. So updating the

2721
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:40,159
maps now

2722
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,639
40% of all flood claims come from uh

2723
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:48,639
moderate to low risk areas and standard

2724
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:52,400
home ownership insurance or homeowners

2725
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,119
insurance does not cover flood damage.

2726
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:58,480
So, back to my example, if it had been a

2727
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:01,599
flood that came in from the outside,

2728
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:03,840
uh, my insurance

2729
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,360
wouldn't have covered it or that it

2730
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,840
would have been a very limited cover

2731
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,920
>> and I would have been stuck with the

2732
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,520
remainder since it wasn't technically a

2733
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,800
flood, but it happened inside my house.

2734
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,239
They insurance covered it and the bill

2735
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:21,760
and this just happened a couple of

2736
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:25,199
months ago was over $12,000 to take care

2737
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:28,239
of the damage. But if it'd been from

2738
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:31,040
water from the outside, I would have

2739
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,599
been on the hook for all of that. In the

2740
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:37,040
micro burst about 15 years ago, I had

2741
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:40,400
one room flood because of a micro burst

2742
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,520
and I didn't even make a claim and I

2743
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,080
just covered it all because I didn't

2744
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:54,000
have have uh uh flood insurance. Now the national flood insurance program is

2745
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,239
available to all or residents. our

2746
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:00,880
application deadline. I have here June

2747
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,599
23rd, but the mayor gave me a letter at

2748
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:06,400
the beginning of this meeting where uh

2749
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,239
FEMA, we were kind of wondering about

2750
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:11,280
this. Uh they've extended the deadline

2751
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,960
to August for us to adopt uh our

2752
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,280
ordinance. Our ordinance goes in

2753
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:20,639
updates. Uh it it we're using the

2754
01:54:20,639 --> 01:54:23,599
standard template they have. It's it's

2755
01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:27,199
really if we don't

2756
01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:30,480
uh enact their ordinance,

2757
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:33,920
we're not included in the flood plane

2758
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,400
program and their our ordinance has to

2759
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,599
be compliant with what they do. So the

2760
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:42,000
best thing to do is just use it. So it

2761
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,840
won't be a major change or shift. Uh we

2762
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,719
basically have requirements in the flood

2763
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:52,719
plane zone of what people can and cannot

2764
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:57,760
do. Uh how the habitable floor area has

2765
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,280
to be above the base flood plane

2766
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:05,760
elevation level plus a foot and those

2767
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:09,040
that's kind of a best practice to do. So

2768
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:10,880
you'll be seeing this it's not on your

2769
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,880
agenda tonight but that will be coming

2770
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,639
back. uh wanted to give it uh put it on

2771
01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:20,560
in case you had some questions that came

2772
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,719
up, you know, let me know about this

2773
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:25,119
here in the next month or so as this

2774
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:29,599
works its way back to you. And uh that's

2775
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:35,760
it. So any questions about flood planes?

2776
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,280
>> Okay.

2777
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:37,840
Thank you.

2778
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:39,599
>> Thank you.

2779
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,880
All right. Um, our dinner's ready. So,

2780
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,000
we're going to take a little break for

2781
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,520
dinner before um Aaron Mcnite, our

2782
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:49,679
assistant city attorney, gives his his

2783
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:50,960
presentation and we have some

2784
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,440
discussion. I've asked Quinn if he would

2785
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:57,750
offer a blessing on the food.

2786
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:59,679
» Who's hungry like the wolf?

2787
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:05,830
>> Hungry like the

2788
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,270
Are you ready?

2789
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:12,239
Our

2790
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,400
heavenly father, we're grateful um for

2791
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,480
the chance we have to serve uh in this

2792
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,920
capacity in the city for the marvelous

2793
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,840
people who serve or residents and

2794
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:25,520
thought that goes into important

2795
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:29,199
decisions and ask um blessing on the

2796
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:32,239
food. We're grateful for it. Grateful uh

2797
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:34,880
for the chance to eat the name of Jesus

2798
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:36,000
Christ. Amen.

2799
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:36,560
>> Amen.

2800
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,040
>> Thank you.

2801
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:50,709
ever.

2802
01:56:50,719 --> 02:04:02,070
» I'm guessing

2803
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:05,599
improvement team and parking posts

2804
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:08,239
30 minutes uh 15 minutes presentation 15

2805
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:10,480
minutes

2806
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,480
to Aaron Mcnite our assistant city

2807
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,880
attorney. Thank you. Thank you mayor.

2808
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:18,400
Last time when I was here, I

2809
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:24,310
regarding it first and fourth time

2810
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:26,880
enforces and

2811
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,800
we can

2812
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,360
explain the matrices last time and some

2813
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:34,000
policy changes some

2814
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,400
changes

2815
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:40,719
enforcement more efficient and fair.

2816
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:42,480
Tonight we're gonna talk about code

2817
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:47,280
changes since it's uh always including

2818
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,679
at a later city council meeting have to

2819
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:54,560
go through planning commission and then we'll bring it back meeting but we

2820
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,560
wanted for a vote but wanted to go over

2821
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:58,880
them in a work meeting

2822
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:00,960
kind of some of the immediate code

2823
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,679
changes that we want to make related to

2824
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:06,560
the code enforcement and again

2825
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:09,440
three code enforcement and parking are

2826
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:10,960
separate teams

2827
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,599
that are separate ordinances for

2828
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:16,320
enforcement different mechanisms. So,

2829
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,000
we're treating them different although

2830
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,960
in many people's eyes they're the same

2831
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:25,440
in many uh citizens eyes as far as

2832
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:27,119
goes.

2833
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:30,159
Some immediate code enforcement changes,

2834
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:31,280
neighborhood improvement code

2835
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:32,639
enforcement changes that we're going to

2836
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:35,679
make are to allow an unregistered

2837
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:37,760
vehicle in a driveway. Currently, our

2838
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:40,080
code does not allow that. You have an

2839
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:41,760
unregistered vehicle, you can keep it in

2840
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,320
your garage. You can keep up to two of

2841
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:45,760
them in your backyard behind a side

2842
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:48,560
obscuring fence. Uh but there's been

2843
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:50,960
some consensus that allowing one in a

2844
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:54,639
driveway, uh would also be

2845
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:57,679
allowed uh to allow for people who may

2846
02:05:57,679 --> 02:05:59,360
not have room in their garage, may not

2847
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:02,159
have a garage, whatever, uh but still

2848
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,560
might for whatever reason want to have

2849
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,119
unregistered vehicle. uh in a

2850
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:08,639
neighborhood.

2851
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:10,800
Uh in conjunction with that, we would

2852
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:14,000
allow one inoperable vehicle in a

2853
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,520
driveway as long as it's covered by a

2854
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,280
vehicle cover and there aren't any junk

2855
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:20,960
part junk flat tire

2856
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,199
uh suspension or jacks or other visible

2857
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:26,320
body damage that makes it look old and

2858
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,960
crashy. So, if if you want to be working

2859
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,960
on a vehicle, got one that you uh

2860
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,119
restoring, you'll be allowed to do that

2861
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:38,079
and keep it in your driveway as long as

2862
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:39,760
while you're not working on it, it's

2863
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:43,280
clean and neat and covered, keep the

2864
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:46,159
neighborhood looking nice.

2865
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,079
So, those are some kind of concessions

2866
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:52,239
in terms of uh being more more lenient

2867
02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:53,599
and allowing for some more wiggle room

2868
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:57,920
for people uh to use their property.

2869
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:01,599
Some things that we want to do to create

2870
02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:06,079
more clarity is explicitly uh state that

2871
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:09,040
there is no parking on a residential lot

2872
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:11,520
except for in the driveway or the park.

2873
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,280
Don't be kind of that.

2874
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,440
>> What's a parking strip? I I picture it

2875
02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:17,119
between the curb and the the sidewalk

2876
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:18,239
and the curb.

2877
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:22,480
>> And that's a good question. There's a very specific legal definition

2878
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:24,560
for a parking strip. So you're you're

2879
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:27,280
thinking a park strip. This is a gravel

2880
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:29,119
parking strip. Gotcha. And there's a

2881
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:30,960
specific regulation in our code that

2882
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:34,239
says is we used to only allow you to

2883
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:37,920
park on a paved driveway. It was either

2884
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,239
concrete, asphalt, or paving stones.

2885
02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:40,560
>> Okay?

2886
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:42,719
>> And that could be expensive. So we

2887
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:45,599
created a a new

2888
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:48,320
space that allows for gravel strip where

2889
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:51,360
people can park that's adjacent to

2890
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:52,000
driveway.

2891
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,000
>> I was thinking park strip.

2892
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,239
Yeah. So this is specifically for that

2893
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:58,560
and the total will refer to that topic

2894
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,639
section just to make that clear for

2895
02:08:00,639 --> 02:08:03,840
everyone and we're not that that is what

2896
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,719
we're going for here is clarity and not

2897
02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:08,560
>> and that's the 4 in of gravel

2898
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:11,040
>> that's 4 in of gravel that that is

2899
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:12,880
required under that regulation. Yes. I

2900
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:15,199
don't know to what extent all gravel

2901
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:17,599
parking strips in in the city are are

2902
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:21,920
reported as deep. But yes, um

2903
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:24,079
anyway, that's in there because NIT will

2904
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:28,320
often get into arguments about current regulation is you can't park

2905
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:30,719
where landscaping is required. And so

2906
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:33,040
people will park on their grass. They

2907
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:34,239
say they'll say, "Well, there is

2908
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:35,760
landscaping there, but it's not required

2909
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,280
to be there because I only have to have

2910
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,639
up to 60% of my or landscaped in it."

2911
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:43,119
Anyway, we just want to make it clear,

2912
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:44,800
work on your driveway, not on your

2913
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,639
grass.

2914
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:48,320
Um,

2915
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:50,639
let's see here.

2916
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:54,800
Currently, uh, there's a city code that

2917
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,880
allows the city to vegetation that's

2918
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:58,719
obstructing

2919
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,159
the sidewalk or the road. uh want to

2920
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:04,800
expand that to allow city to remove

2921
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:06,719
vegetation and for it to be a nuisance

2922
02:09:06,719 --> 02:09:10,480
that NIT can address through our uh code

2923
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:12,719
enforcement processes the vegetation

2924
02:09:12,719 --> 02:09:14,400
that's obstructing traffic control

2925
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,639
signals and devices. So, if there's a

2926
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:18,320
tree that's grown over a stop sign, so

2927
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:19,599
people can't see that there's a stop

2928
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,639
sign or a speed limit sign or whatever,

2929
02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:25,520
uh, along if it's under that definition

2930
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,760
of traffic control signal intervice,

2931
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:29,360
then would be allowed to go in and cut

2932
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:31,520
that back or the property owner to do

2933
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:36,000
that. We are going to in uh increase

2934
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,239
fines for repeat offenders. And this is

2935
02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:42,800
targeted mainly um at situations where

2936
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:48,069
uh it's more financially

2937
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:50,079
it makes sense financially for a person

2938
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,199
to just pay the fine every day and keep

2939
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:55,040
engaging in the illegal activity on

2940
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,679
their property then they come into

2941
02:09:57,679 --> 02:10:01,360
compliance. Right? So, a possibly common

2942
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,520
example, we've seen this come up a

2943
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:05,920
couple of times, is where people are

2944
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:07,760
renting their home out to more than

2945
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:12,079
three unrelated people and uh they get

2946
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,760
the code violation. They're ordered to

2947
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:17,119
pay the $50 a day, but they're actually

2948
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:19,280
making more than the $50 a day. So, it's

2949
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:20,800
more advantageous for them to just come

2950
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:24,800
and give fines, keep renting it out,

2951
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:27,280
right? or or what we've actually seen

2952
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:30,719
more often is they get they get ticketed

2953
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:33,199
for it,

2954
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:35,440
they kick out the extra tenants that

2955
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:37,520
they have that they shouldn't have and

2956
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:41,040
then six months later they they fill up

2957
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,599
their house with a bunch of tenants

2958
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:45,679
needing the cap again and it just turns

2959
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:47,440
into this revolving thing where they're

2960
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:48,960
willing to pay that risk because the

2961
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:50,560
fines are low enough that it makes sense

2962
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:53,520
financially for them to do that. So

2963
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,840
that's that's the rationale behind that.

2964
02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:00,159
And then there are a couple of um

2965
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:02,159
things that commonly happen in the city.

2966
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:03,599
Those last four things, illegal home

2967
02:11:03,599 --> 02:11:06,480
occupation, storage pods, snow removal,

2968
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,760
and storing things and having junk in

2969
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:12,320
vacant lots. Those are all technically

2970
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,639
already nuisances under the city code.

2971
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:16,159
We just want to make it more explicit

2972
02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:22,400
again so that um NIT doesn't have to

2973
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:24,079
get into the same type of arguments that

2974
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:25,440
they do with homeowners when they're

2975
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:26,960
trying to enforce on those things

2976
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:29,119
because

2977
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:31,040
that that can delay coming into

2978
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:33,840
compliance. And I saw your hand. Let me

2979
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:37,119
just explain one more thing and that is

2980
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:39,599
when I say that they're

2981
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:41,199
currently already nuisances in their

2982
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:44,960
code. They are the way that um for

2983
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:48,480
example uh just just as an example that

2984
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:49,760
you're familiar with the way short-term

2985
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,199
rentals are currently permitted under

2986
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:54,159
the code, right? Currently they're not

2987
02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:02,480
permitted. Um but it's not explicitly stated you can't do

2988
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:05,679
this. It's in the use table for people

2989
02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:07,119
to find and that kind of a thing. And so

2990
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,920
we we just want to make explicit. Well,

2991
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:12,000
that would be my because of the

2992
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,840
short-term rental conversation we had

2993
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:17,119
earlier. Um, we do have problems with

2994
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:19,119
legal home occupations, you know,

2995
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:22,000
excessive occupancies.

2996
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:29,030
Um, I would actually like

2997
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:36,069
um landlord

2998
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:38,880
is there. I know a lot in particular

2999
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,440
that we were shut down by you guys doing

3000
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:43,760
the exact same thing.

3001
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,440
So I don't know how we would go about

3002
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:46,960
doing something like that. Is anybody

3003
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:48,560
want to explore that?

3004
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:52,079
>> Um I I can look into that. I'm just off

3005
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:54,719
of the top of my head

3006
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:57,760
there may be

3007
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:01,360
a landlord license if they're not in

3008
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,760
compliance with our code. You haven't

3009
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,480
ever rekindled it that way. I think you

3010
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:09,360
connected me already.

3011
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:13,199
>> I know. I know. You set it down. You

3012
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:17,199
got it down. Just got a text from the

3013
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:19,520
call from

3014
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,760
they're back at it.

3015
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:23,440
They're doing written top and bottom

3016
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:24,719
again.

3017
02:13:24,719 --> 02:13:27,280
>> So, I don't know. Just while we're going

3018
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:30,320
through this, if we think of a way to

3019
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:31,760
that's already in our code, let's figure

3020
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:33,599
out how to give it to our nit.

3021
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:35,360
>> Yeah. Can I can I look into that and

3022
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:36,880
research a little bit? Maybe get back to

3023
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,440
you on

3024
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:41,679
>> I think a mechanism already exists where

3025
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:47,589
we can rental dwelling license

3026
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:50,950
and

3027
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:53,119
um again we we haven't handled that way.

3028
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:55,280
We've handled it through the NIT way or

3029
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:58,000
through the administrative law judge.

3030
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,560
But, uh,

3031
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,239
I appreciate you bringing that up

3032
02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:04,400
because that that could be another way

3033
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,159
to help us gain clients in those sorts

3034
02:14:06,159 --> 02:14:07,679
of situations.

3035
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:09,920
>> Councilman,

3036
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,239
>> um, I just, uh, wanted clarification on

3037
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:14,000
snow removal. Is that removing snow from

3038
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,920
your property? And what is that?

3039
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:19,199
>> Um, that is clearing off the sidewalk.

3040
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:20,960
>> Making sure that your sidewalk is

3041
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:21,520
cleared.

3042
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:28,310
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just making sure it's clear

3043
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:30,159
» driveways too and sidewalk

3044
02:14:30,159 --> 02:14:31,599
>> just the sidewalks. Yeah, we wouldn't

3045
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:36,400
be, you know, regulate the driveways.

3046
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:39,599
I guess that's that's great. But our

3047
02:14:39,599 --> 02:14:40,960
main concern is keeping it off the

3048
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:44,000
sidewalk so that people can access it.

3049
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:45,760
And then just a question I have for

3050
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:48,239
those who are not physically capable

3051
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,880
because of age and permit whatever else

3052
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:52,719
to do the snow removal. Is there a

3053
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:55,040
mechanism for neighborhood groups or

3054
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,920
others to be aware and try and help any

3055
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:00,560
kinds of that would be just the thought

3056
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:02,159
that I would want to make sure that we

3057
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:05,040
have an awareness

3058
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:08,719
I know want to help

3059
02:15:08,719 --> 02:15:14,069
struggles.

3060
02:15:14,079 --> 02:15:15,280
I think it would be good to kind of

3061
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:18,000
brainstorm some ways to address that.

3062
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:19,840
Another common issue I think might be,

3063
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:22,320
you know, someone's out of town

3064
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:25,040
for a week and it snows.

3065
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:27,679
How do we deal with that? Maybe maybe

3066
02:15:27,679 --> 02:15:32,719
the answer is the city removable and I I

3067
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:35,040
don't know administratively. I'm not

3068
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:37,280
sure that public works that that's

3069
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:37,760
doable.

3070
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:39,280
>> It's too much. And so

3071
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:41,280
>> really it results in if someone was

3072
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:46,229
injured because of the snow not having

3073
02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:48,560
you know that's that's a whole different

3074
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:49,679
area

3075
02:15:49,679 --> 02:15:52,639
>> and I would also say

3076
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:55,440
or

3077
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:58,870
enforcement

3078
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:05,510
that

3079
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:06,960
we probably end up in a situation where

3080
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:09,599
they wouldn't get fined anyway. Okay.

3081
02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:12,320
>> Terms of exercising discretion

3082
02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:14,560
uh to enforce it. This is more for

3083
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,119
people who are just they can and they

3084
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:19,920
don't care.

3085
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:21,679
>> And we could enjoy some of the same

3086
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:29,830
connections with hometown United Way.

3087
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,040
» I know they would all want.

3088
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:33,599
>> Yeah. for

3089
02:16:33,599 --> 02:16:39,349
ways to serve your

3090
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:41,760
money.

3091
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:46,549
>> No,

3092
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:48,800
like I say, out of town, that's an

3093
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:52,000
issue. Out of town long term, I I would

3094
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,599
hope that they would

3095
02:16:53,599 --> 02:16:54,800
>> the neighbor boy,

3096
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:56,639
>> right? I I would hope that if you're

3097
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:58,800
leaving for an extended period that you

3098
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:01,920
would be a responsible property owner

3099
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,880
and make decisions for

3100
02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:07,280
taking, right? It would be the same

3101
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:08,880
thing if you're out of town long term

3102
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:10,800
over the summer and you need someone to

3103
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:18,389
mow your lawn.

3104
02:17:18,399 --> 02:17:20,719
» And then we've got some parking parking

3105
02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:23,280
changes uh that we want to implement as

3106
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:25,200
well.

3107
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:26,719
Something that came specifically from

3108
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,960
the council during discussions regarding

3109
02:17:28,960 --> 02:17:31,120
this was that we wanted currently our

3110
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,840
code does not allow any vehicle to be

3111
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:37,439
parked on the street sale and there is a

3112
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:39,120
consensus that we wanted to allow people

3113
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:42,080
to be able to park a vehicle for sale on

3114
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:47,750
the the front of their house.

3115
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:53,920
There was also an issue in terms of how far does a person have to move

3116
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,800
uh their vehicle or in specifically a

3117
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:58,319
recreational vehicle, a boat or a

3118
02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:03,679
trailer uh after 70 72-hour period limit

3119
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:06,160
that we have. Some people are moving it

3120
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:07,599
6 in and saying, "Well, that's good. I

3121
02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:09,679
move."

3122
02:18:09,679 --> 02:18:11,760
>> So, we wanted to put in

3123
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:14,160
>> a specific distance. You got to move it

3124
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:16,479
at least 200 feet a little ways down the

3125
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:22,639
block every 72 hours. Again, this is aimed at keeping people from

3126
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:24,399
storing their boats, trailers, and RVs

3127
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:27,120
and stuff on the street. That's not

3128
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:29,760
something we want in our neighborhoods.

3129
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:31,519
But, uh, again, increased fines for

3130
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:34,719
repeat offenders. Along the same lines,

3131
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:39,040
our our fine for parking is $25

3132
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:42,399
for legal parking. Um, which is much

3133
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:44,240
less than say a parking pass at one of

3134
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:47,120
these apartment buildings down by UV.

3135
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:49,920
And so a lot of people will just break

3136
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,120
the parking regulations down there and

3137
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:54,960
figure that, hey, if as long as I only

3138
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:56,800
get two or three tickets a month, that's

3139
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:58,479
cheaper than the actual parking pass.

3140
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:00,719
And so we're we're increasing compliance

3141
02:19:00,719 --> 02:19:02,960
for the vendors to avoid that kind of

3142
02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:08,800
Yeah. And also people just ignoring and

3143
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:12,240
maybe need a louder.

3144
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,120
>> Is there an escalation process all those

3145
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:18,399
things? Um I I don't know that we're

3146
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:21,040
planning on booting or towing per se. Uh

3147
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,880
except for in cases of abandoned

3148
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:26,800
vehicles. Um yeah, just escalating the

3149
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:28,639
fines

3150
02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:31,040
at this point.

3151
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:33,679
>> This has not really anything to do with

3152
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:35,359
the parking code changes, but the car

3153
02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:37,519
dealership.

3154
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:40,960
Uh, I got a complaint from someone about

3155
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:43,359
car dealers, people who are transporting

3156
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:45,920
cars to car dealerships and they park in

3157
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:47,679
the middle of State Street.

3158
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:48,720
>> Yes.

3159
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:51,120
>> I know. I I know. I near literally

3160
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:55,040
nearly killed somebody at 9 and Lynon on

3161
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,840
was standing out in the road black and

3162
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,120
anyway,

3163
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:02,720
>> but are there is there are there laws to

3164
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:05,920
pre to prohibit that? And we've been

3165
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:07,840
trying to educate the dealerships and

3166
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:11,920
the hundreds of

3167
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:14,319
>> drivers that are

3168
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:15,760
>> so

3169
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:17,520
>> they just don't want someone killed

3170
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:18,240
>> process.

3171
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:18,880
>> Yeah,

3172
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:21,920
>> it has been something we've done greater

3173
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,880
amount of focus on over the last several

3174
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:27,840
months and we have seen real progress.

3175
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:28,560
>> Thank you.

3176
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:29,680
>> In or

3177
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:33,359
>> Thank you. Can I add the one thing your

3178
02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:34,560
first one? Yes.

3179
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,399
>> To avoid a loophole from someone just

3180
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:38,560
parking their RV in front of their house

3181
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:40,800
with a for sale sign in it. Can you put

3182
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:44,000
a timeline on that?

3183
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,880
>> Yes. Yes. Well,

3184
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:49,280
>> I don't know. What would you recommend?

3185
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:51,439
>> I would say that parking an RV in front

3186
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:54,880
of the house for 72 hours or longer

3187
02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:57,520
or would still be subject to the 72-hour

3188
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:59,760
limit, right? Even if it is for sale,

3189
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:01,680
>> it's not you can't park it in front of

3190
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:06,160
your house for sale and those those

3191
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:07,920
72-hour limits would still apply.

3192
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:08,319
>> Okay.

3193
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:13,030
>> Yeah.

3194
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:14,880
» So far, all of the code changes that

3195
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:17,200
I've talked about tonight, we've

3196
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,760
discussed in our

3197
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,680
>> committee meetings. The last two we

3198
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:26,240
haven't, but they came up um as as after

3199
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:29,359
I've been speaking with staff and uh one

3200
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:31,840
issue is that people are parking in our

3201
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:34,240
city parks and using it as using them as

3202
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,800
parking lots. Uh sometimes storing their

3203
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:39,680
RVs because again

3204
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:41,359
parks can be in a street for longer than

3205
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:43,040
72 hours, but there's nothing about

3206
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:46,560
parking it in a city parking lot. And so

3207
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:48,800
they would like to see a code change

3208
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:52,000
that that uh basically enforces park for

3209
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:56,240
you but also for cars. Uh if and the

3210
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:59,040
rationale there again is if if you can't

3211
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:00,479
physically be in the park, your car

3212
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:01,439
probably shouldn't be in the park

3213
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:04,160
either. It's not a park a storage

3214
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:06,560
parking lot for people as as they've

3215
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:09,520
been treated. And then the other one is

3216
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:12,319
a big problem is having car dealerships

3217
02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:14,960
park uh the car that they have for sale

3218
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,880
on the public streets and really

3219
02:22:16,880 --> 02:22:18,800
clogging things up and making it

3220
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:22,000
difficult to park. So they staff would

3221
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:24,880
also like to see an ordinance indicating

3222
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:26,960
that car dealerships cannot park their

3223
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:29,200
inventory on public streets. It needs to

3224
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:32,319
be on their lot.

3225
02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:34,560
And the has to be paved.

3226
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:35,760
>> Still has to meet the paving

3227
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:36,720
requirements.

3228
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,319
>> They would Yeah. There there are site

3229
02:22:38,319 --> 02:22:40,560
plans and and and other ordinances that

3230
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,160
would say, "Hey, you can't park on

3231
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:43,760
landscaping

3232
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:45,280
on their lot."

3233
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:45,600
>> Okay.

3234
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:47,280
>> So, when when I say lot, I don't mean

3235
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:51,760
their parcel of land. I mean on their

3236
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:54,960
part of their their ship.

3237
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:57,680
So, uh are there any concerns with those

3238
02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:02,150
changes?

3239
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:04,479
And then lastly, there are some other

3240
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,479
ones that we discussed.

3241
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:09,359
Uh

3242
02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:11,439
making exceptions for large circular

3243
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:14,319
driveways to the landscaping rules,

3244
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:16,640
making rules regarding carports, that's

3245
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:18,880
how they need to be presented. Food

3246
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:21,680
trucks are a big issue and that's going

3247
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,920
to require a fairly heavy lift. And then

3248
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:27,200
wrinkle disclosures for landlords help

3249
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,600
with our occupancy enforcement. Those

3250
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,479
are all kind of future code things.

3251
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:34,720
These will not be presented uh in the

3252
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:36,399
next month or two to the planning

3253
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:37,680
commission, city council, but are kind

3254
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:40,880
of projects that will be coming down the

3255
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:43,760
road um in the next

3256
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:49,910
in the coming year or two. And

3257
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:52,560
» so any questions about any of that?

3258
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,000
>> Ask one quick thing. So rental

3259
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,200
disclosures are you is that going to

3260
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,840
encompass our desire to down on

3261
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:02,080
long-term rentals?

3262
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,240
>> Yeah, that that's directed mainly at at

3263
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:08,000
long-term rentals. Uh that was an idea

3264
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:10,080
brought brought forward by Gary where

3265
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,479
Provo requires rental disclosures to

3266
02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:16,720
help help enforce their occupancy laws.

3267
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:19,040
Uh and they have similar struggles the

3268
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:21,520
way we do with being a college town and

3269
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:23,520
all that kind of thing. and the rental

3270
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:27,520
disclosures helped uh part of why this

3271
02:24:27,520 --> 02:24:28,880
is being kicked down the road a little

3272
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:32,240
bit. It is that it's

3273
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:34,240
administratively in terms of enforcing

3274
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,040
it

3275
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:41,510
all those

3276
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:43,359
» remind me what our current situation is

3277
02:24:43,359 --> 02:24:45,439
with food trucks. You said that was a

3278
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:47,280
and they're just they're everywhere

3279
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:48,880
popping up.

3280
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:51,200
>> Yeah. they have anything?

3281
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:53,600
>> We currently have we we currently have a

3282
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:56,080
code on

3283
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:58,960
uh food trucks. I'm not super familiar

3284
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:01,439
with it, but I do know that is that it's

3285
02:25:01,439 --> 02:25:05,520
fairly unworkable,

3286
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:08,000
meaning

3287
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:09,439
one one provision of it, for example, is

3288
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:11,280
that a food truck cannot remain in any

3289
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:13,680
one place for longer than five hours.

3290
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:15,920
And that's just not how food trucks are

3291
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:17,760
currently working.

3292
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:22,319
Uh and and and and it led at least one

3293
02:25:22,319 --> 02:25:24,640
situation a food truck to be like, "Oh,

3294
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:27,680
okay. Well, I'm going to remove the

3295
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:29,280
wheels on my food truck and put it on

3296
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:30,800
blocks and then it won't be a mobile

3297
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:32,880
vendor anymore. It's a permanent vendor

3298
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:34,560
and now I can stay here indefinitely."

3299
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:35,840
And

3300
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:37,680
>> that's not really okay either. That that

3301
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:39,760
that's worse.

3302
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:43,990
So anyway,

3303
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:45,680
uh

3304
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:48,640
that's that's an ordinance that is just

3305
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:50,479
going to take a lot of thought. I think

3306
02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:52,160
we're going to want to get a lot of

3307
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:55,200
input from the industry as well. Allah

3308
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:58,399
short-term rentals will be input from

3309
02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:02,080
kind of all sides and drafting an

3310
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:04,000
ordinance that makes sense and is

3311
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:05,840
enforceable and

3312
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:08,720
>> it's about so they know so they can just

3313
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:10,720
know what they're allowed to do. A lot

3314
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:15,030
of them just want to do

3315
02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:17,200
» Yeah. Well, and it's unfortunate because

3316
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:18,800
I I think you know there are probably

3317
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:20,720
some who want to do the right thing and

3318
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:22,640
we have an ordinance. The right thing is

3319
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:25,439
to follow that. Uh but there are a lot

3320
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:30,399
that don't follow it and don't care and part part of the reason is because

3321
02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:33,120
it's difficult to enforce part of it is

3322
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:35,120
because it's maybe unreasonable to

3323
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:38,720
enforce on any we ask I guess. So

3324
02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:42,800
>> do we collect taxes from them?

3325
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:47,520
>> So sales tax to wherever their home base

3326
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,600
stays. Really? That's right.

3327
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:51,280
>> That's not good because they're

3328
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:57,830
competing with our restaurants here.

3329
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:02,630
Can I don't

3330
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:03,520
» All right. Thank you,

3331
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:06,880
>> Jar. Appreciate it.

3332
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:08,880
>> All right.

3333
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:12,080
>> So, now we have item two on our agenda,

3334
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:16,640
uh, C city council reports. And Bistol,

3335
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:20,399
>> I Yeah. So, I cover four different

3336
02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:23,439
areas. um public works advisory

3337
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:26,960
commission rock and party you were there

3338
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:29,200
so that was awesome.

3339
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,840
>> Yes, it's always a good

3340
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:34,399
party and I think you know the

3341
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:37,439
>> little bit of

3342
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:39,680
>> the transportation utility fee is

3343
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:41,600
probably the biggest thing that public

3344
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:44,000
works has been talking about the last

3345
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:47,200
little bit. Um

3346
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,000
anything you'd want to add there?

3347
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,439
Yeah, it's at the forefront of our

3348
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:54,560
efforts right now and um we're excited

3349
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:56,160
to

3350
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,760
be making an announcement shortly

3351
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:01,840
regarding a new public that we will help

3352
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:02,720
those efforts.

3353
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:04,399
>> That's another big thing you do.

3354
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:08,080
>> Yeah. And so I appreci

3355
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:11,200
to interview and it's been a been a long

3356
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:15,439
effort but going to be worth it.

3357
02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:17,120
Yeah, Chris invited me to sit on the

3358
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:18,399
interviews for that and be part of that

3359
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:20,240
panel and I enjoyed being a part of that

3360
02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:21,600
process. That was great.

3361
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:23,760
>> Um, events commission is another one

3362
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:26,399
that Jeff and I serve on and our big

3363
02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:28,880
event of the year is coming up with uh

3364
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:32,160
ORMFest. So, we're excited to see all

3365
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:34,720
those laborers come to pass and have a

3366
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:36,640
great celebration for ORM. It's always a

3367
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:38,880
fantastic week. Um, I also serve in the

3368
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:41,760
ORM Youth Council, uh, with Chris and we

3369
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:44,640
just wrapped that up last month for the

3370
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:47,920
school year. Um, the kids all loved

3371
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:49,600
being a part of that and really enjoyed

3372
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:51,680
their time. So, I'm excited to see the

3373
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:52,960
new kids coming in in the new school

3374
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:55,840
year. I've had a couple emails from

3375
02:28:55,840 --> 02:28:58,720
>> um,

3376
02:28:58,720 --> 02:29:01,840
>> participants in the Miss ORM teen

3377
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:03,520
project where I had talked to them about

3378
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:04,960
the ORM youth council. They didn't know

3379
02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:06,399
that was a thing. So they they were

3380
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:08,720
excited to try and participate in that

3381
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,439
coming year. I'm also I serve with the

3382
02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:14,319
legislative policy committee for ULC and

3383
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:16,479
we've had a little bit of a break since

3384
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:20,399
um the legislative session ended and the

3385
02:29:20,399 --> 02:29:22,960
St. George thing. Um so that'll be

3386
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:24,880
starting up again this next month and

3387
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:26,240
I'm excited to see what's going on in

3388
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:29,040
the interim sessions.

3389
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:30,560
>> About it.

3390
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:32,240
>> Thank you. Thank you for for your

3391
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:34,000
service on those different boards and

3392
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:36,240
commissions and for the update. All

3393
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:41,120
right, this evening's agenda we have

3394
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,520
uh it says just so you know the

3395
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:46,479
invocation and this racial thought and

3396
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:49,600
says invitation I got that covered on

3397
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:52,160
that. I I just didn't have names by the

3398
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:54,960
time it holiday weekend and Teresa

3399
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:58,720
needed to get that out. We do have some

3400
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:00,560
presentations. We have Representative

3401
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:03,760
Nelson Abbott coming to present. We have

3402
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,000
the natural resources advisory

3403
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,319
commission awards. We have the Ormfest

3404
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:10,160
kickoff

3405
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:12,319
coming up. We have our summer reading

3406
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:13,840
program

3407
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:15,680
uh from the library and then the Miss

3408
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:18,720
Orm introductions and so we'll we will

3409
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:21,120
have that time and then we will also

3410
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:23,359
have a presentation a police autism

3411
02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:26,880
picnic. After that, personal appearances

3412
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:29,359
against one consent item is to update

3413
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:32,560
the city council 2026 agenda. Trace has

3414
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:37,439
sent that out. Some updates on that. And

3415
02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:40,080
then the scheduled items

3416
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,840
presentation. This one doesn't require a

3417
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:43,840
vote. This one, as I understand, is

3418
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:46,160
information only. It's community

3419
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,000
development block grant updated annual

3420
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:50,800
action plan and proposed budget.

3421
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:52,560
And then we do have a public hearing

3422
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:55,200
after that amending a number of articles

3423
02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:57,040
in our city code relating to the powers

3424
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:59,439
and duties of the planning division

3425
02:30:59,439 --> 02:31:02,160
special exceptions. So do you have any

3426
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:04,000
questions? Do you want to ask about that

3427
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,479
in here or because Jared Jared is going

3428
02:31:06,479 --> 02:31:09,439
to be Paul is be presenting that but

3429
02:31:09,439 --> 02:31:10,880
looks like it's moving things from the

3430
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:12,319
board of adjustment over to the planning

3431
02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:16,080
commission pretty much and

3432
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:18,560
some things. And then we have

3433
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:22,160
>> can I just ask quickly how I was there

3434
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:23,760
when that was that logic was presented

3435
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:24,800
to client commission but it would be

3436
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,640
worth I think just two sentence version

3437
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:29,359
of of logic.

3438
02:31:29,359 --> 02:31:34,000
Yes, there's a under a specific type of

3439
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:37,359
development where if you have a single

3440
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:40,240
family home that's almost completely

3441
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:44,640
surrounded by a higher density, uh there

3442
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:49,120
isn't a path for you to go and get a

3443
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:52,640
premium. you have to go to the board of

3444
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:54,880
adjustment

3445
02:31:54,880 --> 02:31:57,120
to for them to make a determination and

3446
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:58,399
then it comes back to planning

3447
02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:00,720
commission to basically make a very

3448
02:32:00,720 --> 02:32:04,080
similar determination and it just seemed

3449
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:05,600
really

3450
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:07,920
redundant and inefficient to do it that

3451
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:10,720
way when planning to be looking at it

3452
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:13,359
from a much broader perspective anyway.

3453
02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:14,479
>> Okay.

3454
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,880
So, thank you. So, that's going to

3455
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:19,760
be a public hearing. And let me I won't

3456
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:26,070
put your husband on the spot if he was

3457
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:28,240
a good sport.

3458
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,160
Then we have another uh public hearing

3459
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,840
and ordinance amending our zoning

3460
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:34,800
ordinance, our zoning map over the old

3461
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:37,120
central Utah water conservancy district

3462
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:41,760
properties over on University Parkway

3463
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:44,800
from R8 single family residential to C2

3464
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:46,560
along with the development agreement and

3465
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:50,160
the development agreement it's the it

3466
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:52,479
actually has a list of uses that would

3467
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:55,359
not be allowed on there including gas

3468
02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:57,439
stations

3469
02:32:57,439 --> 02:33:00,720
like that. So that appears to be our

3470
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:04,319
agenda this this evening and then oh we

3471
02:33:04,319 --> 02:33:06,080
cannot forget our esteemed city manager.

3472
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,319
He will have some information items and

3473
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:11,120
then we will adjourn.

3474
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:14,319
So that's and look at the oh look at the

3475
02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:16,960
time. Any other council members want to

3476
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:19,760
report on anything they're working on?

3477
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:20,720
If not, let's just

3478
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,399
>> So, we're doing the um

3479
02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,479
active transportation plan in our tax.

3480
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:28,960
So, if anybody has any ideas for bike

3481
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,760
paths or biking or anything

3482
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:35,439
want to, you know, add, let us know.

3483
02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:36,800
>> When's the timeline for that?

3484
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:38,000
>> We'll have it done by the end of the

3485
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:42,399
year. So, October, maybe September.

3486
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:44,080
>> And you're you're racing, I'm sure, with

3487
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:49,110
all the bike folks. almost.

3488
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:50,720
» Yes. Thank you all. Thank you all for

3489
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:53,040
serving on those different as leazison

3490
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:54,000
for those different boards and

3491
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:59,280
commissions and thank you for being really involved in all the

3492
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:00,479
different events that we have here at

3493
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:03,040
the cities. We're in a month of bus a

3494
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:04,640
lot of things happening in a couple of

3495
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:08,319
weeks with my all the different warmfest

3496
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:12,080
things and so my little jar is getting

3497
02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:14,880
full of the of where I have to pay in if

3498
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:20,640
I call in a season rather than

3499
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:23,280
I don't want the city I don't want the

3500
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:26,560
another city over back there. So yes,

3501
02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:30,080
I'm trying really hard and

3502
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:32,720
but yes, I'm excited for that. And

3503
02:34:32,720 --> 02:34:35,680
anyway, we actually are you how are you

3504
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:37,280
feeling about the pace of our work

3505
02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:39,200
session? I wanted to ask about that. I

3506
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:42,080
we talked I talked to staff about maybe

3507
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:45,120
not having as many items on our agenda

3508
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:47,760
so we can go at a more deliberate pace

3509
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:50,160
rather than always feeling like we're

3510
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,000
panicked and at least that maybe it's

3511
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:54,720
just me. It's like

3512
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:56,960
>> are you okay with this amount of time

3513
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:58,319
like I can walk through this amount of

3514
02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:00,240
stuff.

3515
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:04,000
>> It's it's we're able to the detail and

3516
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:08,000
also deliberate more than just

3517
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:09,120
fire host.

3518
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:11,520
>> Yeah, I think so too. And we do have

3519
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:12,880
some a few minutes here and it's not

3520
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:14,319
you'll give us a chance just to visit.

3521
02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:16,800
We don't get to visit with each other as

3522
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:20,000
much you know. So anyway,

3523
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:21,760
>> may I just offer that I I think this

3524
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:26,000
past week has been extraordinary

3525
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:28,720
>> that the city has shined in a way that

3526
02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:30,560
uh communities don't have that

3527
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:33,120
opportunity. And we have some of the

3528
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:37,120
most elite um executive staff, planners,

3529
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:40,160
and folks who have who have created

3530
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:43,600
environments for our citizens to find uh

3531
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:47,359
hope, success, uh peace, um

3532
02:35:47,359 --> 02:35:50,399
opportunities. meal that we've created

3533
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:52,000
over the last few days and just the

3534
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:53,600
events that I've had the opportunity to

3535
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,359
be.

3536
02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:57,280
>> So, just want to express gratitude for

3537
02:35:57,280 --> 02:36:00,080
all of them doing lately

3538
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:01,840
>> and it was super impressive last night

3539
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:04,640
at this era of our firefighters up there

3540
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,120
on the stage.

3541
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:09,280
>> That was

3542
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:10,800
some really good pictures. I'll get to

3543
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:12,160
Pete. We'll do a post.

3544
02:36:12,160 --> 02:36:12,720
>> Yeah,

3545
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:14,640
>> that was so sweet. And also the

3546
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:15,600
>> We all got it.

3547
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:17,200
>> And they got the standing ovation for

3548
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:18,479
like a long time.

3549
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:19,680
>> Yeah, it's great.

3550
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:21,680
>> They deserved it truly.

3551
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,000
>> And that's the Sierra I write it down.

3552
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,240
America should read the Sierra Salutes

3553
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:27,760
series. They're going to be doing those.

3554
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:28,720
But um

3555
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:30,640
>> how honored for our fire to be the first

3556
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:31,120
ones.

3557
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:32,080
>> Yeah, it's really nice.

3558
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:35,040
>> It's great.

3559
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:37,760
Well, if we don't have anything else,

3560
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:41,359
we'll just journ until we

3561
02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:43,680
come back together.

3562
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,439
>> I make a motion we adjourn then.

3563
02:36:45,439 --> 02:36:48,080
>> All right. Motion in a second.

3564
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,720
>> All right.

3565
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:54,309
>> We will reconvene

3566
02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:55,920
at six.

3567
02:36:55,920 --> 02:46:28,469
>> Thank you.

3568
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:31,520
I saw that the dog one got it.

3569
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:37,429
>> Yeah,

3570
02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:42,389
» that's what I thought too.

3571
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:45,040
Probably like complaints like

3572
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:49,760
I know that most of the stuff I

3573
02:46:49,760 --> 02:47:27,510
Anyway, so we're introduc

3574
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:33,349
There was a really great like

3575
02:47:33,359 --> 02:47:44,389
» and my girls all watched it.

3576
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:56,469
So that the where

3577
02:47:56,479 --> 02:48:01,670
I saw you were in Jack.

3578
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:04,560
» Yeah, I saw it.

3579
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:09,359
>> Oh, is that why should they're official?

3580
02:48:09,359 --> 02:48:11,600
>> Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for

3581
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,120
letting us know, Lori. I should the

3582
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,920
word.

3583
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:19,429
>> Yeah,

3584
02:48:19,439 --> 02:48:21,600
» we'll be there when it's time.

3585
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:22,560
>> Awesome.

3586
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:24,160
>> We like to be flexible.

3587
02:48:24,160 --> 02:51:07,990
>> Hey, appreciate you.

3588
02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:10,399
Test test.

3589
02:51:10,399 --> 02:59:08,469
>> Yeah.

3590
02:59:08,479 --> 02:59:10,000
All right. I would like to welcome you

3591
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:12,800
to this evening's city council meeting.

3592
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:15,279
Thank you for your attendance. We're

3593
02:59:15,279 --> 02:59:18,640
going to go ahead and start with an

3594
02:59:18,640 --> 02:59:22,080
invocation by Tom Scribner. And after

3595
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:24,160
the invocation, the pledge of allegiance

3596
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,800
will be led by Glenna Scribner. So,

3597
02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:28,560
thank you for coming and doing that this

3598
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:34,630
evening.

3599
02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:36,880
» Heavenly Father, we are grateful to be

3600
02:59:36,880 --> 02:59:40,080
here this evening. We are so grateful to

3601
02:59:40,080 --> 02:59:42,479
live in this country

3602
02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:47,600
and to be in an area that is safe and

3603
02:59:47,600 --> 02:59:50,720
a place where we are capable of meeting

3604
02:59:50,720 --> 02:59:55,040
like this to discuss various issues.

3605
02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:57,439
We ask you to bless this meeting with

3606
02:59:57,439 --> 03:00:00,560
thy spirit. Bless everyone who speaks

3607
03:00:00,560 --> 03:00:04,790
that they may do so civily.

3608
03:00:04,800 --> 03:00:08,000
And bless us that bless each of us as we

3609
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:11,920
are in this year of 250

3610
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:15,359
years for our republic that we can be

3611
03:00:15,359 --> 03:00:18,080
humbled in remembering the sacrifices of

3612
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:19,920
our forebears. And we say these things

3613
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:34,950
in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

3614
03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:36,960
Please stand and repeat the pledge of

3615
03:00:36,960 --> 03:00:39,840
allegiance with me.

3616
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:43,840
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

3617
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:47,200
United States of America and to the

3618
03:00:47,200 --> 03:00:50,960
republic for which it stands, one nation

3619
03:00:50,960 --> 03:00:54,640
under God. indivisible with liberty and

3620
03:00:54,640 --> 03:01:01,990
justice for all.

3621
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:04,160
» Thank you, Scriers, for for the

3622
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:09,190
invocation and the pledge of allegiance.

3623
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:12,000
After the pledge of allegiance, as as we

3624
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:14,000
were reciting that, I reminded me of the

3625
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:15,359
wonderful events that we've had this

3626
03:01:15,359 --> 03:01:18,960
past weekend here in ORM. we had the

3627
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:22,479
opportunity to gather out here and

3628
03:01:22,479 --> 03:01:26,399
dedicate our uh gold star family

3629
03:01:26,399 --> 03:01:29,520
memorial and invite you to go take a

3630
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:32,479
look at that after the council meeting.

3631
03:01:32,479 --> 03:01:34,080
And then we also had a wonderful

3632
03:01:34,080 --> 03:01:36,880
Memorial Day program yesterday and so

3633
03:01:36,880 --> 03:01:38,560
grateful for this country and for the

3634
03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:41,040
opportunities we've had this last few

3635
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:44,080
days to remember those who have served.

3636
03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:46,479
We have a number of presentations this

3637
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:49,120
evening. Our first presentation is going

3638
03:01:49,120 --> 03:01:52,160
to be a legislative report given by

3639
03:01:52,160 --> 03:01:53,840
Representative Nelson Abbott. So, I'd

3640
03:01:53,840 --> 03:01:55,600
like to welcome you to come up. Um,

3641
03:01:55,600 --> 03:02:02,389
Representative Abbott.

3642
03:02:02,399 --> 03:02:04,000
» Yes. Thank you for having me. It's good

3643
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:06,160
to be here. I appreciate the work you do

3644
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:08,080
and the good things you're doing for

3645
03:02:08,080 --> 03:02:11,120
ORM. I was here Friday night for the

3646
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:13,359
gold star memorial and that is a

3647
03:02:13,359 --> 03:02:15,040
wonderful thing and it was a super

3648
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:17,040
touching ceremony and very well done. So

3649
03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:19,359
I appreciate the efforts you're making

3650
03:02:19,359 --> 03:02:22,640
as a city council and mayor and city

3651
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:25,680
manager to uh

3652
03:02:25,680 --> 03:02:27,680
make ORM a better place. So my name is

3653
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:29,920
Nelson Abbott. I represent about a third

3654
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:32,800
of the population of ORM and I rep

3655
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:36,560
represent about 80% of vineyard at the

3656
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:38,640
Utah legislature. I'm in the House of

3657
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:40,960
Representatives and so I was asked to

3658
03:02:40,960 --> 03:02:43,200
just come and kind of report on I guess

3659
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:45,200
a few things that are happening and kind

3660
03:02:45,200 --> 03:02:47,279
of some of our priorities. One of the

3661
03:02:47,279 --> 03:02:50,000
things uh we're super worried about is

3662
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:52,319
uh the cost of living and it's a little

3663
03:02:52,319 --> 03:02:53,920
frustrating at the state level and I'm

3664
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:55,200
sure you're experiencing the same thing

3665
03:02:55,200 --> 03:02:57,920
at the city level in that we don't have

3666
03:02:57,920 --> 03:02:59,920
a lot of options because most of the

3667
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:02,240
levers that drive the cost of living

3668
03:03:02,240 --> 03:03:05,279
happen at the federal level. So our

3669
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:07,520
hands are somewhat tight. Uh, for

3670
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:10,800
example, uh, starting July 1st, gas tax

3671
03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:14,000
will be reduced about 15%.

3672
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,000
Which sounds good, but I'm not sure

3673
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:19,040
anybody will notice because gas is up

3674
03:03:19,040 --> 03:03:22,560
probably double, uh, or more in the past

3675
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:25,040
few months. So, there's there's a lot of

3676
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:26,960
issues going on like that. But, uh, some

3677
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:30,000
of the things we've done is, um, we have

3678
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:33,520
lowered, um, income tax substantially

3679
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:36,160
over the past six years. We've increased

3680
03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:38,399
funding for education

3681
03:03:38,399 --> 03:03:42,080
um significantly. It's up about 36% over

3682
03:03:42,080 --> 03:03:44,560
the last six years. Just this year, we

3683
03:03:44,560 --> 03:03:49,359
raised the weighted pupil unit by 4.6%.

3684
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:50,960
So, we're trying to continue to fund

3685
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:52,479
education. I know that's important for

3686
03:03:52,479 --> 03:03:54,160
Orman Vineyard in that we have a new

3687
03:03:54,160 --> 03:03:55,920
school district and there's going to be

3688
03:03:55,920 --> 03:03:58,240
some economic constraints that they face

3689
03:03:58,240 --> 03:04:01,520
given um just the division and and

3690
03:04:01,520 --> 03:04:04,000
what's going on with all that. So, those

3691
03:04:04,000 --> 03:04:07,840
are those are some of my priorities. Um,

3692
03:04:07,840 --> 03:04:10,160
and

3693
03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:12,080
you know, uh, I guess another priority I

3694
03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:14,080
I'll mention is just I appreciate the

3695
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:16,319
working relationship I have with you in

3696
03:04:16,319 --> 03:04:18,399
that, uh, you guys have helped me screen

3697
03:04:18,399 --> 03:04:20,240
bills and say, "Hey, this is going to

3698
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:24,000
impact citizens of ORM or or Vineyard in

3699
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:25,920
this way." And so, be aware of that. And

3700
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:27,359
I appreciate that good working

3701
03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:28,960
relationship and the input that you

3702
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:32,479
give. And uh so I guess that's about my

3703
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:33,760
presentation. I'm happy to answer

3704
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:36,800
questions or um but probably don't have

3705
03:04:36,800 --> 03:04:38,479
a lot more to say than that.

3706
03:04:38,479 --> 03:04:40,800
>> Right. Thank you. And likewise, we

3707
03:04:40,800 --> 03:04:42,479
appreciate the relationship we have with

3708
03:04:42,479 --> 03:04:44,399
you that we're you're very accessible

3709
03:04:44,399 --> 03:04:46,319
and we're able to come in and visit with

3710
03:04:46,319 --> 03:04:48,160
you about different pieces of

3711
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:50,319
legislation and how they will impact

3712
03:04:50,319 --> 03:04:52,800
those we both represent. And so council,

3713
03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:54,000
do you have any questions for

3714
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:56,640
representative Abbott?

3715
03:04:56,640 --> 03:04:59,200
>> Okay, council member Mikum. Uh thank you

3716
03:04:59,200 --> 03:05:00,479
for being here. You are my

3717
03:05:00,479 --> 03:05:01,760
representative. I'm in your third of

3718
03:05:01,760 --> 03:05:02,399
orum. So

3719
03:05:02,399 --> 03:05:03,200
>> right, fantastic.

3720
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:05,359
>> Uh it's great to have you here. Between

3721
03:05:05,359 --> 03:05:07,520
now and the next legislative session uh

3722
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:10,319
in January, u what are your priorities?

3723
03:05:10,319 --> 03:05:11,520
What will you be working on in

3724
03:05:11,520 --> 03:05:12,640
particular to get ready for that

3725
03:05:12,640 --> 03:05:15,200
session? And how can we support you?

3726
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:16,960
>> So you know, I think one of the issues

3727
03:05:16,960 --> 03:05:20,240
that everybody's facing right now, well,

3728
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:21,760
I think people in ORM are concerned

3729
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:23,520
about it, although it's distant enough

3730
03:05:23,520 --> 03:05:26,319
from us, is uh the data center up north,

3731
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:28,080
right? So, we're hearing that a lot in

3732
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:29,760
the news, but I think the broader

3733
03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:33,279
picture is um how do we deal with tax

3734
03:05:33,279 --> 03:05:35,200
increment financing and giving tax

3735
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:36,960
incentives to certain businesses or

3736
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:38,720
organizations that has grown

3737
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:40,880
substantially over the past few years

3738
03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:42,399
and I think a lot of us in the

3739
03:05:42,399 --> 03:05:44,880
legislature realize that while that

3740
03:05:44,880 --> 03:05:47,279
serves a purpose, we probably need some

3741
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:50,080
more guard rails and we need some more

3742
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:52,479
careful structuring of those

3743
03:05:52,479 --> 03:05:55,040
organizations so that elected officials

3744
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:57,040
have more respons responsibility and

3745
03:05:57,040 --> 03:05:59,600
more say as to actually who gets those.

3746
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:01,279
And so that's one of the things I'm

3747
03:06:01,279 --> 03:06:02,880
going to be working on is to try and

3748
03:06:02,880 --> 03:06:04,880
figure out how we can rein that back.

3749
03:06:04,880 --> 03:06:06,720
It's always hard when you have a

3750
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:08,880
government program.

3751
03:06:08,880 --> 03:06:10,399
It's it's easy to start government

3752
03:06:10,399 --> 03:06:12,080
programs. It's hard to end government

3753
03:06:12,080 --> 03:06:13,760
programs. So, it's going to be a

3754
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:15,040
challenge. It's going to be difficult,

3755
03:06:15,040 --> 03:06:16,160
but that's one of the things I'm going

3756
03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:20,230
to be working on.

3757
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:22,720
Mayor and Council, if I can just also

3758
03:06:22,720 --> 03:06:26,399
echo um what what mayor has said. Uh

3759
03:06:26,399 --> 03:06:28,800
Representative Nelson Abbott has been

3760
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:30,880
very thoughtful, very smart, very

3761
03:06:30,880 --> 03:06:33,200
accessible, willing to engage and open

3762
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:37,120
to to feedback and take take our uh

3763
03:06:37,120 --> 03:06:40,640
input into account. ORM has a lot of of

3764
03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:43,760
great uh state legislators and

3765
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:46,000
Representative Abbott is absolutely, you

3766
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:50,720
know, uh not lagging in that regard and he's just been wonderful to work

3767
03:06:50,720 --> 03:06:51,439
with.

3768
03:06:51,439 --> 03:06:53,120
>> Thank you.

3769
03:06:53,120 --> 03:06:54,800
Appreciate you.

3770
03:06:54,800 --> 03:06:55,680
>> All right. Thank you.

3771
03:06:55,680 --> 03:06:57,279
>> Well, we've got somebody else.

3772
03:06:57,279 --> 03:06:59,760
>> Can I just say one more thing?

3773
03:06:59,760 --> 03:07:01,439
>> We noticed that your sweetheart is here

3774
03:07:01,439 --> 03:07:02,399
with you this evening.

3775
03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:05,359
>> Yes, she is. And we just want to say

3776
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:07,520
again, thank you to you for all that you

3777
03:07:07,520 --> 03:07:09,760
do and all that you have done to bless

3778
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,399
us here in Oram, all of your hard work.

3779
03:07:12,399 --> 03:07:13,760
But we just want to say thank you to

3780
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:16,800
your wife as well. We know that she puts

3781
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:18,880
up with a lot and sacrifices a lot to

3782
03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:21,040
allow you to be able to do what you do.

3783
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:22,479
So, thank you to both of you.

3784
03:07:22,479 --> 03:07:23,760
>> Thank you. That's appreciated.

3785
03:07:23,760 --> 03:07:24,800
>> Yes. Have a good

3786
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:28,399
>> Yes. Thank you. Um, Mrs. have it. I It

3787
03:07:28,399 --> 03:07:30,160
is a running and having someone serving

3788
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:32,399
elected office is definitely a a family

3789
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:33,920
affair,

3790
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:37,040
family and friends. So, thank you. Um

3791
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:40,479
before next item, I neglected to excuse

3792
03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:43,359
council member Gail. She will not be um

3793
03:07:43,359 --> 03:07:45,840
will not be here this evening. Our

3794
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:48,800
second presentation this evening is from

3795
03:07:48,800 --> 03:07:50,399
Bradley Day, our community and

3796
03:07:50,399 --> 03:07:52,640
sustainability officer, and its natural

3797
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:54,720
resources advisory commission awards.

3798
03:07:54,720 --> 03:07:56,800
So, I'd like to invite Bradley up for

3799
03:07:56,800 --> 03:08:08,630
that.

3800
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:10,080
» And it looks like you have two of your

3801
03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:11,040
commission members.

3802
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:11,520
>> Yeah.

3803
03:08:11,520 --> 03:08:13,760
>> With you this evening. Indeed.

3804
03:08:13,760 --> 03:08:14,240
>> Welcome.

3805
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:14,800
>> Check.

3806
03:08:14,800 --> 03:08:17,120
>> Yeah. And I'll actually hand the time

3807
03:08:17,120 --> 03:08:19,040
off to them. Um, I'll hand the time to

3808
03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:21,520
Hillary Hungerford, but uh, we will also

3809
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:23,439
make time for the recipient families to

3810
03:08:23,439 --> 03:08:25,439
share a couple remarks as well for these

3811
03:08:25,439 --> 03:08:27,279
awards.

3812
03:08:27,279 --> 03:08:32,319
>> Thank you. Um, hello Mayor, hello um,

3813
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:34,880
council members and hello fellow ORM

3814
03:08:34,880 --> 03:08:37,600
residents. We're very excited to present

3815
03:08:37,600 --> 03:08:40,479
our natural resource advisory commission

3816
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:44,160
awards this year. Um, on behalf of ORM's

3817
03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:46,560
Natural Resource Advisory Commission,

3818
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:48,880
we're privileged to recognize local

3819
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:52,640
leaders champion championing clean air,

3820
03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:54,800
energy efficiency, water- wise

3821
03:08:54,800 --> 03:08:57,359
landscaping, waste and recycling, green

3822
03:08:57,359 --> 03:08:59,840
space, healthy ecosystems,

3823
03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:02,000
local agriculture, and outdoor

3824
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:05,200
recreation. Our two winners tonight are

3825
03:09:05,200 --> 03:09:07,279
ORM residents who have gone above and

3826
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:10,080
beyond using their personal yards to

3827
03:09:10,080 --> 03:09:13,200
directly benefit our community. So, we'd

3828
03:09:13,200 --> 03:09:16,080
like to invite our winners up. Cole Lwig

3829
03:09:16,080 --> 03:09:21,359
and Orin Cooper, please come up.

3830
03:09:21,359 --> 03:09:23,359
So, I'm just going to say a brief uh

3831
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:26,080
word about each and then they'll they'll

3832
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:28,560
say um so Cole, you're going to be

3833
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:32,479
first. Uh both of these residents took

3834
03:09:32,479 --> 03:09:34,399
amazing and really different approaches

3835
03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:36,399
to their landscaping.

3836
03:09:36,399 --> 03:09:38,880
Uh for Cole, he was nominated for

3837
03:09:38,880 --> 03:09:41,200
creating a naturallooking and feeling

3838
03:09:41,200 --> 03:09:44,000
habitat for native pollinators. He

3839
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:46,080
turned a large portion of his lawn into

3840
03:09:46,080 --> 03:09:49,200
a thriving native pollinator garden. And

3841
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:50,880
he worked with the state department of

3842
03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:53,279
agriculture to con collect native

3843
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:56,000
plants. He created a highly drought

3844
03:09:56,000 --> 03:09:59,439
tolerant garden full of color and life.

3845
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:01,279
If you we would invite you to say a few

3846
03:10:01,279 --> 03:10:03,359
words.

3847
03:10:03,359 --> 03:10:07,359
So the um this was actually something

3848
03:10:07,359 --> 03:10:11,439
real exciting for my family. We about 5

3849
03:10:11,439 --> 03:10:14,479
years ago decided that we wanted to cut

3850
03:10:14,479 --> 03:10:19,120
down on our water use and our lawn being

3851
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:21,439
a big

3852
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:24,479
um pull for all that water. So we we

3853
03:10:24,479 --> 03:10:26,479
reduced down our grass to about a third

3854
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:29,439
of what it was and then had all this

3855
03:10:29,439 --> 03:10:32,000
extra space that we we didn't know what

3856
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:35,120
to do with and I just happened to run

3857
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:38,800
into on Facebook a post about the

3858
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:41,439
pollinator habitat program. It's

3859
03:10:41,439 --> 03:10:43,840
something that was started back in 2002

3860
03:10:43,840 --> 03:10:46,560
by our state legislature uh with the

3861
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:51,359
Department of Agriculture where they supply

3862
03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:53,040
uh

3863
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:56,319
a lot of native plants to families to

3864
03:10:56,319 --> 03:10:59,840
just plant in areas that they have. Um,

3865
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:02,319
Utah is home to over a thousand

3866
03:11:02,319 --> 03:11:05,600
different types of native bees

3867
03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:10,800
and we're we part of what we're doing is

3868
03:11:10,800 --> 03:11:13,439
trying to do our best to

3869
03:11:13,439 --> 03:11:17,359
um create a good living space for them.

3870
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:20,800
Um, even recently

3871
03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:23,279
I've been out there just kind of seeing

3872
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:25,439
what what we've attracted. We have a lot

3873
03:11:25,439 --> 03:11:28,000
of carpenter bees that are just there

3874
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:31,040
hanging around all the flowers. Um, a

3875
03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:34,880
lot of smaller solitary bees that we

3876
03:11:34,880 --> 03:11:36,960
don't really hear about cuz most of what

3877
03:11:36,960 --> 03:11:40,319
we hear about is the the honeybees,

3878
03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:42,720
but there's so much more than than just

3879
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:45,040
those guys. And

3880
03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:47,120
we we love going out. We love seeing the

3881
03:11:47,120 --> 03:11:49,439
flowers, all the activity, the the

3882
03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:52,960
butterflies and things like that. And

3883
03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:55,359
it's been it's been really exciting for

3884
03:11:55,359 --> 03:11:58,399
us to to have this opportunity and to be

3885
03:11:58,399 --> 03:12:00,479
able to grow it.

3886
03:12:00,479 --> 03:12:02,800
>> Great. Thank you.

3887
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:08,630
>> Yeah.

3888
03:12:08,640 --> 03:12:09,920
» Take a seat for a minute, then we'll

3889
03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:11,760
come back up to present the award. The

3890
03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:15,910
next is Orin Cooper.

3891
03:12:15,920 --> 03:12:18,080
I think Orurin is here. Yeah. Okay.

3892
03:12:18,080 --> 03:12:20,800
Good. Welcome. I haven't met either of

3893
03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:22,800
these people before tonight. Very

3894
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:25,279
exciting. So, Lauren and his family

3895
03:12:25,279 --> 03:12:27,840
turned their entire front yard into a

3896
03:12:27,840 --> 03:12:30,800
productive garden. They made sustainable

3897
03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:33,120
landscaping a true priority in their

3898
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:35,760
lives. Their yard feeds fresh food for

3899
03:12:35,760 --> 03:12:38,000
their family and it gives neighbors and

3900
03:12:38,000 --> 03:12:40,399
the community a unique opportunity to

3901
03:12:40,399 --> 03:12:43,279
enjoy locally grown vegetables. So, we'd

3902
03:12:43,279 --> 03:12:44,479
love to hear from you.

3903
03:12:44,479 --> 03:12:46,800
>> Thanks. So, our motivations were similar

3904
03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:50,479
to what we just heard that um our lawn,

3905
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:52,160
as you can see up here, we used 90

3906
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:55,920
96,000 gallons of water last year in a

3907
03:12:55,920 --> 03:12:57,520
month just to try to keep our lawn

3908
03:12:57,520 --> 03:12:59,439
green. We live where our lawn was

3909
03:12:59,439 --> 03:13:02,080
sloped. And that's a lot of water. In

3910
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:04,240
fact, we saved enough water over the

3911
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:06,240
year by changing this landscape for a

3912
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:09,520
household of four in Orum to live and

3913
03:13:09,520 --> 03:13:11,120
do, you know, everything except for have

3914
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:14,399
a lawn. Um so that very similar

3915
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:17,279
motivations. Um one of the other things

3916
03:13:17,279 --> 03:13:18,640
that I wanted to share about tonight,

3917
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:20,800
you can show the other picture of the um

3918
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:24,479
garden. Um here where we had, you know,

3919
03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:26,399
60some tomato plants. We've got those

3920
03:13:26,399 --> 03:13:28,800
planted this year. Um love fresh

3921
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:32,640
produce. Um we ran into some challenges

3922
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:35,359
actually doing this. Um, I went to apply

3923
03:13:35,359 --> 03:13:37,120
for grants and the city of ORM and the

3924
03:13:37,120 --> 03:13:39,279
city provo don't qualify for some of the

3925
03:13:39,279 --> 03:13:41,439
state grants because of the current

3926
03:13:41,439 --> 03:13:43,760
legislation about how much our yard

3927
03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:45,920
needs to be grass and those those

3928
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:49,200
requirements. Um, we had some challenges

3929
03:13:49,200 --> 03:13:52,160
initially with this the city. We went

3930
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:53,920
from being reported as one of the

3931
03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:56,720
ugliest yards to in 15 months being

3932
03:13:56,720 --> 03:13:57,920
reported as one of the most beautiful

3933
03:13:57,920 --> 03:14:00,560
yards because it was a process. you

3934
03:14:00,560 --> 03:14:02,160
know, we took all the grass out. It was

3935
03:14:02,160 --> 03:14:03,600
basically mud through the through the

3936
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:05,840
winter. And thankfully, city manager

3937
03:14:05,840 --> 03:14:08,560
Bbeby was very helpful um in that

3938
03:14:08,560 --> 03:14:11,520
process. So, I hope this can be a start

3939
03:14:11,520 --> 03:14:14,399
of a conversation to look at how we can

3940
03:14:14,399 --> 03:14:17,520
change some of the ordinances. Um I

3941
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:18,560
don't know if you've seen in the last

3942
03:14:18,560 --> 03:14:20,239
couple of days, but Salt Lake City,

3943
03:14:20,239 --> 03:14:21,680
their main water supplier, is going to

3944
03:14:21,680 --> 03:14:24,080
start charging fines or fees if the

3945
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:27,120
various cities overuse um their allotted

3946
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:29,920
amount of water. So again, I don't I

3947
03:14:29,920 --> 03:14:31,200
haven't studied all the ins and outs of

3948
03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:33,359
how we we get our water, but the fact

3949
03:14:33,359 --> 03:14:35,680
that we could encourage more citizens to

3950
03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:37,680
save water and even return that to

3951
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:38,960
groundwater in years that we have

3952
03:14:38,960 --> 03:14:42,000
excess. Um, again, I'd love to follow up

3953
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:44,800
more so that more people have these

3954
03:14:44,800 --> 03:14:46,720
pollinator friendly and um, beautiful

3955
03:14:46,720 --> 03:14:48,239
yards. Thank you.

3956
03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:53,830
>> Thank you.

3957
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:55,680
Okay, we would love to officially

3958
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:57,439
present you all with your awards and

3959
03:14:57,439 --> 03:14:59,600
take picture with the mayor and city

3960
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:01,840
council. So, please come forward. Do we

3961
03:15:01,840 --> 03:15:04,399
do it all as a group? Okay. All as a

3962
03:15:04,399 --> 03:15:11,269
group.

3963
03:15:11,279 --> 03:15:12,640
» And it's cool to see yours as a family

3964
03:15:12,640 --> 03:15:15,439
up here, too.

3965
03:15:15,439 --> 03:15:16,880
>> We actually live across the street from

3966
03:15:16,880 --> 03:15:29,510
each other.

3967
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:31,840
Awesome.

3968
03:15:31,840 --> 03:15:33,439
Okay, I'm going to have the front row.

3969
03:15:33,439 --> 03:15:36,960
Everyone just take a step this way.

3970
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:50,229
Perfect.

3971
03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:52,399
Okay,

3972
03:15:52,399 --> 03:15:54,000
perfect.

3973
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:55,359
>> Sarah, I might have you come on this

3974
03:15:55,359 --> 03:15:57,040
side with me. Is that okay?

3975
03:15:57,040 --> 03:15:58,399
>> Thank you.

3976
03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:00,560
>> All right, everyone look at me. Three,

3977
03:16:00,560 --> 03:16:03,990
two, one.

3978
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:06,000
All right.

3979
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:16,229
>> Hey, we're good.

3980
03:16:16,239 --> 03:16:19,120
Thank you and congratulations. Oh, those

3981
03:16:19,120 --> 03:16:22,880
are beautiful flowers. Very beautiful

3982
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:24,479
>> today from their yard.

3983
03:16:24,479 --> 03:16:27,520
>> Wow, that's amazing. I'm having yard

3984
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:31,439
envy. And I've got some goals, some more

3985
03:16:31,439 --> 03:16:34,960
goals now. They got the backyard with a

3986
03:16:34,960 --> 03:16:37,279
lot less grass. Now the front's the next

3987
03:16:37,279 --> 03:16:40,399
target. So, thank you. Congratulations

3988
03:16:40,399 --> 03:16:41,760
and thank you for being such good

3989
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:44,880
examples in our community. Our next item

3990
03:16:44,880 --> 03:16:49,359
is ourfest kickoff and we have Kenise

3991
03:16:49,359 --> 03:16:52,960
Whitaker and Sydney Bailey from our

3992
03:16:52,960 --> 03:16:55,920
event staff here this evening. Thank

3993
03:16:55,920 --> 03:17:15,830
you. Welcome.

3994
03:17:15,840 --> 03:17:18,239
All right. So, here to talk about

3995
03:17:18,239 --> 03:17:21,600
everybody's favorite week of the year,

3996
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:24,560
ORMFest, which is June 8th through 13th

3997
03:17:24,560 --> 03:17:26,080
this year.

3998
03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:29,439
Um, okay. So, we're going to start with

3999
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:32,640
this is our theme for ORMFest this year.

4000
03:17:32,640 --> 03:17:35,359
Um, celebrating of course the 250 years

4001
03:17:35,359 --> 03:17:37,439
of freedom in the United States and the

4002
03:17:37,439 --> 03:17:40,160
role that each of us play in preserving

4003
03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:43,040
those freedoms. Orfest 2026 is a tribute

4004
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:44,960
to the American spirit that has defined

4005
03:17:44,960 --> 03:17:48,000
our nation for two and a half centuries.

4006
03:17:48,000 --> 03:17:50,000
In Family USA, we believe that the

4007
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American story is more than just a

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history lesson. It's a living legacy

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passed from one generation to the next.

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As we mark this historic milestone, we

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honor those who paved the way and the

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citizens who will carry the best of

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their legacy into the future. Red,

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White, Blue, and You celebrates the

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past, the present, and the great hope

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for the future.

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Our

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grand marshall for this year is the

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Colonial Heritage Festival and they

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perfectly embody this year's theme of

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red, white, blue, and you during this

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national America 250 celebration.

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The Colonial Heritage Festival is held

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every year during the week of 4th of

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July. This year it will be held the 2nd

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of July through the 4th of July at the

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Sarah Park. It is the largest colonial

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living history festival east of the 13

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colonies and it's right here in our city

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of Oram.

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The Colonial Heritage Festival's

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revolutionary figures, they have folks

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that dress up such as Benjamin Franklin

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or George Washington and they're going

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to be making special appearances

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throughout Ormfest. So, please make sure

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to watch out for them at our car show

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and at our orchard jam and at our

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carnival days.

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So, we obviously couldn't have done it

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without our event advisory commission.

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We have um 10 of them right now that are

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helping us out through out especially

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this week and throughout the year. And

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then we have a lot of staff that also

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puts a lot of work in to this week which

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makes it all possible.

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This year we have about 19 food vendors

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with a variety of tasty eats for you to

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try and boutiques about 48 different

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03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:46,080
vendors with a lot of variety of wares

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too. So please come and check out all of

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these vendors.

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We also wouldn't have been able to do it

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without all of our sponsors, generous

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donors. We have a title sponsor, Surfp

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Pro. They um help us out big time for

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Orfest. And so we had a lot of cash

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03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:06,800
donations as well as a lot of inind

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03:20:06,800 --> 03:20:09,520
donations um just to help with

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volunteers

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being able to you know come be a part of

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this um giving back to the people that

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make this all possible.

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Okay. So now we're going to just

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highlight some of the events throughout

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the week. Um, our event start off with

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03:20:26,720 --> 03:20:29,359
on Monday, June 8th with our Orfest car

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03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:32,160
show, which is so much fun. We have over

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03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:34,319
a hundred amazing cars that show up for

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this event. Plus, there are free hot

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dogs for the first 2,000 attendees. We

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have lots of businesses um promoting

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what they do for our communities and

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offering free things to and engaging

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03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:50,479
activities. On Tuesday, June 9th, there

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is an Orfest pool party. We have

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discounted tickets of only $3 per person

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for admission. And it's not just a fun

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swim. There's music, dancing, contest,

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03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:03,200
free ice cream. So, make sure to come

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03:21:03,200 --> 03:21:06,960
out for that. On um June 10th, we also

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have an Orfest charity golf tournament

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uh for the Kowanas Club that starts at

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8:00 a.m. So, if you're a golfer, make

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03:21:14,319 --> 03:21:18,710
sure to sign up for that, too.

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And then on Wednesday the 10th, we start

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with our sports fest tournament. So we

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start with a pickle ball tournament all

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day. That is men's tournaments, women's,

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mixed, and then we also have a parent

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and child division, which is really fun.

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Um, and we're still looking for people

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to join that. So if you are interested

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or have neighbors that are interested,

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definitely sign up for that. In the

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evening, we have an event that we do

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with University Place Mall. It's called

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Orchards Jam. This year is America's

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birthday, so we will have foam cannons

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and giant lawn games and free cake and

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balloons. We'll also finish the night

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off with the silent disco. And then we

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have the children's entrepreneurship

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market as well, which is all kids

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03:22:03,439 --> 03:22:05,279
version of a farmers market. They're

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03:22:05,279 --> 03:22:07,279
very adorable. It's very fun. So,

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03:22:07,279 --> 03:22:09,439
definitely come out for that. And then

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we will also start the carnival and the

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food vendors on Thursday. This year we

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have 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on

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Thursday, 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. on

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Friday and Saturday, all at City Center

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Park. We'll have activities for the

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kids, which we'll talk a little bit more

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about, live music, and then like Kenise

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03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:27,359
mentioned earlier, really delicious

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03:22:27,359 --> 03:22:32,150
food.

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Okay, so for kids crafts, you won't want

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to miss that either. Bring the kids out

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03:22:36,319 --> 03:22:38,560
for free craft. They can make that on

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Thursday and on Friday between 1 and 4.

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really fun American themed crafts there

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03:22:44,479 --> 03:22:46,479
for you. We also have our maker space

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from Orm Public Library coming out to

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help us out on Friday. So, join us for

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03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:55,520
some fun there. Uh sports fest cornhole

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tournament. There are still some there

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03:22:58,479 --> 03:23:01,840
are still um am I coming through? Okay.

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There are still some spots

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available for uh signing up for the

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cornhole tournament and Ormfest fit. If

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you haven't done this before, it's a lot

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03:23:11,040 --> 03:23:13,520
of fun. A lot of energy outside high

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03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:16,720
fitness spotlighting some of our uh

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03:23:16,720 --> 03:23:20,000
instructors at the ORM Family Fitness

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Center just over at at behind the ORM

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03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:27,439
fitness center. So, come out for that.

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All right. On Friday night, we also have

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the kickball tournament that's going to

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be at Community Park. That's a really

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03:23:32,239 --> 03:23:34,640
fun one to get families involved. One of

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03:23:34,640 --> 03:23:36,800
the big things this year is also ORM's

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03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:39,600
Got Talent. It's the 10th anniversary.

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03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:42,160
Um that's always a really fun um way to

4146
03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:44,479
see all of the talented people here in

4147
03:23:44,479 --> 03:23:46,800
ORM. That's at 700 p.m. at City Center

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03:23:46,800 --> 03:23:49,520
Stage. And we will finish Friday off

4149
03:23:49,520 --> 03:23:53,760
with a drone show um at 9:45. We'll have

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03:23:53,760 --> 03:23:55,520
music there. You can also tune in to

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03:23:55,520 --> 03:23:58,080
KOHS to hear the music if you're a

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03:23:58,080 --> 03:24:00,880
little bit farther away. And should be

4153
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:06,790
really fun and exciting this year.

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03:24:06,800 --> 03:24:09,439
Okay. Then comes Saturday, which is very

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03:24:09,439 --> 03:24:12,560
packed with fun. We start off the day

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with um our rotary pancake breakfast.

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03:24:15,760 --> 03:24:18,000
That's between 8 and 10. And there's

4158
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:20,640
always delicious toppings for this these

4159
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:22,880
pancakes. So come out and support the

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03:24:22,880 --> 03:24:26,080
Orm Rotary Club for that. Um we also

4161
03:24:26,080 --> 03:24:28,000
just after you filled up, you can

4162
03:24:28,000 --> 03:24:30,880
stretch out with yoga at the park just

4163
03:24:30,880 --> 03:24:33,680
in front of the city center stage. Uh

4164
03:24:33,680 --> 03:24:35,680
there is a baby contest. So if you have

4165
03:24:35,680 --> 03:24:37,359
a cute adorable one, make sure to

4166
03:24:37,359 --> 03:24:40,720
register for that. That contest um takes

4167
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:42,800
place over at the Hillrest Park Center

4168
03:24:42,800 --> 03:24:48,469
and winners get to ride in the parade.

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03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:51,359
And then last but definitely not least,

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um this year new is the Oram Fire

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03:24:53,920 --> 03:24:56,640
Department fun run, which will happen

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03:24:56,640 --> 03:24:59,120
before the parade. So we'll have a lot

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03:24:59,120 --> 03:25:01,279
of fun, you know, people cheering

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03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:04,720
everyone on. it is in support of the

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03:25:04,720 --> 03:25:07,680
fire department um restoring the

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03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:10,319
historic engine number one and all of

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03:25:10,319 --> 03:25:12,640
their um funding for that. And so we

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have registration also online. Then

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03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:17,279
right following that we'll have the

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03:25:17,279 --> 03:25:20,479
grand parade um which you know we are

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03:25:20,479 --> 03:25:22,080
excited for all of you guys to be a part

4182
03:25:22,080 --> 03:25:24,560
of. Excited to have everybody in there

4183
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:28,160
to finish the week off. Um and we'll

4184
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:31,120
finish it with the fireworks um at City

4185
03:25:31,120 --> 03:25:33,840
Center Park. And so that is kind of the

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end of the perfect week of Ormfest.

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>> We hope.

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>> Perfect.

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03:25:40,319 --> 03:25:41,279
>> That's awesome.

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>> Do you guys have any questions?

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03:25:42,319 --> 03:25:44,800
>> Any questions? Uh Council Member Mill.

4192
03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:47,600
>> So I just have a couple comments. So now

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verify this for me. I was told last

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03:25:49,200 --> 03:25:52,399
night that the fun run is along the

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03:25:52,399 --> 03:25:54,560
parade route right before the parade.

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03:25:54,560 --> 03:25:56,239
So, you get to run in front of all your

4197
03:25:56,239 --> 03:25:58,720
peeps and yes

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03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:00,720
along, right? That is right.

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>> Then I just want to do a big shout out.

4200
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:04,640
So, I've done the what was it called? I

4201
03:26:04,640 --> 03:26:07,840
wrote it down. Orfest fit and that was

4202
03:26:07,840 --> 03:26:10,640
so fun. Um I'm glad to see you moved it

4203
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:12,479
to 8:00 p.m. because I think we had it

4204
03:26:12,479 --> 03:26:14,319
earlier and it was a little warm when we

4205
03:26:14,319 --> 03:26:16,319
did it earlier. So, just I love that.

4206
03:26:16,319 --> 03:26:18,479
And then the last thing I want to say is

4207
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thank you so much for your efforts to

4208
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:24,399
uh find support in the community and to

4209
03:26:24,399 --> 03:26:25,920
have this sponsored because it used to

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03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:29,760
be a a a budget item. So you guys have

4211
03:26:29,760 --> 03:26:31,359
done a great job of helping our

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03:26:31,359 --> 03:26:33,520
community help us pay for this party. So

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03:26:33,520 --> 03:26:35,359
thank you.

4214
03:26:35,359 --> 03:26:37,600
Yes. Thank you. And I'll put a plug in

4215
03:26:37,600 --> 03:26:41,520
for the ORM fire department fund run. I did that many, many years

4216
03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:44,479
ago and it was along the parade route

4217
03:26:44,479 --> 03:26:46,319
and it was really fun and I wondered why

4218
03:26:46,319 --> 03:26:49,040
everybody was so excited when I came by.

4219
03:26:49,040 --> 03:26:50,800
You know, they're giving me high fives.

4220
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:52,960
It was because I was in last place and

4221
03:26:52,960 --> 03:26:54,239
they knew that the parade was going to

4222
03:26:54,239 --> 03:26:57,359
start as soon as that woman went by with

4223
03:26:57,359 --> 03:26:59,200
that ambulance behind her, which I was

4224
03:26:59,200 --> 03:27:02,479
glad to have. But, um, but anyway, it it

4225
03:27:02,479 --> 03:27:04,720
was it was really fun and so it's good

4226
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:06,720
cause. The whole event, the whole all of

4227
03:27:06,720 --> 03:27:09,520
Worms is really fun. So excited to to be

4228
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:23,670
part of it this year. Thank you.

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03:27:23,680 --> 03:27:25,439
» All right. Our next item on the agenda

4230
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is our summer reading program and our

4231
03:27:28,399 --> 03:27:30,399
presenter is program librarian me

4232
03:27:30,399 --> 03:27:36,870
flenders pay. Welcome.

4233
03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:38,720
Thank you for having me here today. Let

4234
03:27:38,720 --> 03:27:41,040
me just get this.

4235
03:27:41,040 --> 03:27:42,399
Is that better? Is it working? Okay.

4236
03:27:42,399 --> 03:27:44,640
Thank you.

4237
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:47,200
>> All right. Uh my name is Meg Flenders

4238
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and I am the program librarian at the

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03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:51,040
ORM Library. Um I'm excited to share a

4240
03:27:51,040 --> 03:27:52,720
little bit about the summer reading

4241
03:27:52,720 --> 03:27:54,800
program that we have this year. Um and

4242
03:27:54,800 --> 03:27:56,239
to give you a glimpse of all the hard

4243
03:27:56,239 --> 03:27:58,000
work and effort that our library staff

4244
03:27:58,000 --> 03:27:59,600
have been putting in for over a year to

4245
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:01,680
get ready for this summer. Our theme

4246
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:03,279
this year, which was selected by the

4247
03:28:03,279 --> 03:28:05,279
collaborative summer library program, is

4248
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:07,840
unearth a story.

4249
03:28:07,840 --> 03:28:09,520
Um, we are really excited about this

4250
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:11,600
theme. Whether readers are digging into

4251
03:28:11,600 --> 03:28:13,359
a good book, uncovering hidden

4252
03:28:13,359 --> 03:28:15,439
histories, or exploring the past, the

4253
03:28:15,439 --> 03:28:17,439
slogan underscores the joy of discovery

4254
03:28:17,439 --> 03:28:19,920
that reading brings. It also emphasizes

4255
03:28:19,920 --> 03:28:21,840
that every person in every community has

4256
03:28:21,840 --> 03:28:23,920
stories waiting to be found and shared

4257
03:28:23,920 --> 03:28:25,840
through books, programs, and local

4258
03:28:25,840 --> 03:28:28,160
knowledge. We run our program through an

4259
03:28:28,160 --> 03:28:30,080
app called Beanstack, where patrons can

4260
03:28:30,080 --> 03:28:31,520
create an account and track their

4261
03:28:31,520 --> 03:28:33,359
reading minutes to earn badges and

4262
03:28:33,359 --> 03:28:35,120
qualify for prizes and our special

4263
03:28:35,120 --> 03:28:37,840
finale event. We anticipate about 2,000

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03:28:37,840 --> 03:28:39,840
participants between the ages of 0 to

4265
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:42,399
18. The goals of our summer reading

4266
03:28:42,399 --> 03:28:44,319
program are to encourage children and

4267
03:28:44,319 --> 03:28:46,160
families to read over the summer break

4268
03:28:46,160 --> 03:28:48,399
and to lessen the summer slide, which is

4269
03:28:48,399 --> 03:28:50,239
a decline in reading comprehension and

4270
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:51,600
reading skills that can happen when

4271
03:28:51,600 --> 03:28:53,840
children are not in school. We also want

4272
03:28:53,840 --> 03:28:55,520
our young patrons to develop positive

4273
03:28:55,520 --> 03:28:57,600
attitudes about books and reading. And

4274
03:28:57,600 --> 03:28:59,359
we're also excited to provide free,

4275
03:28:59,359 --> 03:29:01,439
engaging, and educational experiences

4276
03:29:01,439 --> 03:29:04,880
for our community throughout the summer.

4277
03:29:04,880 --> 03:29:06,880
We're starting the program off this

4278
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:09,200
Saturday, May 30th, with our kickoff

4279
03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:11,600
event, In Time, which is presented by a

4280
03:29:11,600 --> 03:29:13,920
performing group, Live History Shows.

4281
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:15,680
This interactive experience blends

4282
03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:17,840
elements of an escape room, theatrical

4283
03:29:17,840 --> 03:29:20,160
performance, and quest as our patrons

4284
03:29:20,160 --> 03:29:22,720
explore the library, and solve clues to

4285
03:29:22,720 --> 03:29:24,640
complete the mission before their time

4286
03:29:24,640 --> 03:29:27,040
is up. Patrons can sign up for the

4287
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:33,750
kickoff at library.orum.gov.

4288
03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:35,920
Um, along with the kickoff, we have an

4289
03:29:35,920 --> 03:29:38,239
exciting lineup of programs this summer,

4290
03:29:38,239 --> 03:29:40,080
including a red pyramid party

4291
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:41,920
celebrating the popular junior fiction

4292
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:45,040
series by Rick Ryarden. Film screenings,

4293
03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:46,720
Mammoth Day, where we are excited to

4294
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:49,040
feature Mero and talk about the mammoth

4295
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:52,399
discovered in Oram. Um, trash talk where

4296
03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:54,640
our teens will get to dig through trash,

4297
03:29:54,640 --> 03:29:56,080
which we are creating ourselves, so it's

4298
03:29:56,080 --> 03:29:58,319
actually it's not like actual garbage.

4299
03:29:58,319 --> 03:30:01,120
um to learn how archaeologists study

4300
03:30:01,120 --> 03:30:04,319
civilizations um as well as many other

4301
03:30:04,319 --> 03:30:06,239
fun and educational programs for all

4302
03:30:06,239 --> 03:30:08,239
ages. Uh you can subscribe to the

4303
03:30:08,239 --> 03:30:09,840
library email newsletter to find out

4304
03:30:09,840 --> 03:30:11,359
more about the events that are happening

4305
03:30:11,359 --> 03:30:15,110
all summer long.

4306
03:30:15,120 --> 03:30:20,710
Oh yeah.

4307
03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:21,840
People get it

4308
03:30:21,840 --> 03:30:24,960
>> good. Okay.

4309
03:30:24,960 --> 03:30:27,279
Um, in addition to great events, our

4310
03:30:27,279 --> 03:30:29,359
patrons can also earn prizes for

4311
03:30:29,359 --> 03:30:31,439
reading. We have ticket prize drawings

4312
03:30:31,439 --> 03:30:33,760
that readers can enter to win in um, and

4313
03:30:33,760 --> 03:30:35,279
these include donations from local

4314
03:30:35,279 --> 03:30:38,160
businesses and museums as well as toys,

4315
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:40,880
books, and games. Everyone who finishes

4316
03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:43,359
the challenge at ages 0 to 11 will earn

4317
03:30:43,359 --> 03:30:45,680
a dinosaur toy, while our teen readers

4318
03:30:45,680 --> 03:30:47,760
will earn a goodie bag, which they have

4319
03:30:47,760 --> 03:30:49,680
picked themselves, which what they want

4320
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:52,319
in it, which I think is really fun. Um,

4321
03:30:52,319 --> 03:30:54,080
we will also have a special prize this

4322
03:30:54,080 --> 03:30:55,760
year for completionists. They will earn

4323
03:30:55,760 --> 03:30:58,080
a real fossil that was actually dug out

4324
03:30:58,080 --> 03:31:01,040
by our librarians back in the fall. Uh,

4325
03:31:01,040 --> 03:31:02,399
which was really fun. And you can see

4326
03:31:02,399 --> 03:31:03,920
some of us here in that picture. We had

4327
03:31:03,920 --> 03:31:05,920
a really good time getting to do that.

4328
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:08,640
Um, and then our completionists will

4329
03:31:08,640 --> 03:31:11,200
also earn entry into our annual pool

4330
03:31:11,200 --> 03:31:13,840
party finale at the Sierra Pool. So,

4331
03:31:13,840 --> 03:31:15,680
we're excited to celebrate and reward

4332
03:31:15,680 --> 03:31:18,239
reading all summer. Um, and we wanted to

4333
03:31:18,239 --> 03:31:20,399
thank uh the city council and city

4334
03:31:20,399 --> 03:31:22,160
administration and the amazing staff

4335
03:31:22,160 --> 03:31:23,760
throughout the city and the library for

4336
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:26,000
making this program possible. Um, did

4337
03:31:26,000 --> 03:31:30,239
you have any questions or comments?

4338
03:31:30,239 --> 03:31:31,760
>> Can we do one for grown-ups?

4339
03:31:31,760 --> 03:31:33,600
>> Yeah, we actually do have a challenge

4340
03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:35,359
for our grown-ups. Uh, it's called the

4341
03:31:35,359 --> 03:31:38,000
ORM reading challenge. Uh, and it is

4342
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:40,399
about it's a year-long challenge. Uh, it

4343
03:31:40,399 --> 03:31:42,479
started in January and it will end in

4344
03:31:42,479 --> 03:31:44,319
November. So, that one is specifically

4345
03:31:44,319 --> 03:31:46,000
for our uh adult readers because we

4346
03:31:46,000 --> 03:31:47,359
found that the demands were a little bit

4347
03:31:47,359 --> 03:31:48,720
different. So, we're trying it a little

4348
03:31:48,720 --> 03:31:49,840
bit differently this year. So,

4349
03:31:49,840 --> 03:31:52,000
>> all right. This is so fun.

4350
03:31:52,000 --> 03:31:54,239
>> I'm excited.

4351
03:31:54,239 --> 03:31:56,239
>> Oh, um, Council Member Mikum.

4352
03:31:56,239 --> 03:31:59,840
>> U, this is just fantastic. I I I um I'm

4353
03:31:59,840 --> 03:32:02,560
thrilled with library programming. Um,

4354
03:32:02,560 --> 03:32:05,120
for those of you who who don't know, um,

4355
03:32:05,120 --> 03:32:06,640
the way that our library thinks a little

4356
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:10,080
bit about its mission, uh, it really has

4357
03:32:10,080 --> 03:32:12,560
transitioned from a place where we

4358
03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:14,800
collect and store books for you to check

4359
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:17,840
out and, um, now is much more of an

4360
03:32:17,840 --> 03:32:21,040
experience library and and a place where

4361
03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:23,279
people come to engage with their

4362
03:32:23,279 --> 03:32:28,160
community and to have experiences and to be inspired uh, not only by books

4363
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:29,920
but by other members of the community.

4364
03:32:29,920 --> 03:32:32,640
and these activities just go so far in

4365
03:32:32,640 --> 03:32:34,880
terms of helping that along. So I just

4366
03:32:34,880 --> 03:32:36,720
think this is a fantastic asset that we

4367
03:32:36,720 --> 03:32:38,399
have as a community and and Meg really

4368
03:32:38,399 --> 03:32:39,920
appreciate your leadership on this.

4369
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:43,040
>> Thank you. Thanks so much.

4370
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:44,880
>> All right. Thank you. This is exciting.

4371
03:32:44,880 --> 03:32:45,920
I can hardly wait to tell my

4372
03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:47,600
granddaughter about it.

4373
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:48,319
>> Thank you.

4374
03:32:48,319 --> 03:32:54,229
>> And so thank you.

4375
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:56,399
» All right. The next item on our agenda

4376
03:32:56,399 --> 03:32:59,520
are um presentation Miss Orm

4377
03:32:59,520 --> 03:33:01,840
introductions. And so presenters Donna

4378
03:33:01,840 --> 03:33:05,520
Mard and Joanne Jeffs with the Miss Orum

4379
03:33:05,520 --> 03:33:08,319
uh program. And looks like you brought

4380
03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:14,950
some people with you. Welcome.

4381
03:33:14,960 --> 03:33:16,640
It wasn't too long ago we were at this

4382
03:33:16,640 --> 03:33:19,040
very podium practicing our interviews

4383
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:20,960
and now we have a brand new royalty for

4384
03:33:20,960 --> 03:33:23,040
both our teen and our miss programs. Um,

4385
03:33:23,040 --> 03:33:24,800
we will let them introduce themselves as

4386
03:33:24,800 --> 03:33:26,000
well as their community service

4387
03:33:26,000 --> 03:33:27,760
initiatives. But my name is Donna

4388
03:33:27,760 --> 03:33:30,479
Millard. I am the Misorum director and

4389
03:33:30,479 --> 03:33:32,080
um, thrilled to be here with you again

4390
03:33:32,080 --> 03:33:33,279
and thrilled to be here with this new

4391
03:33:33,279 --> 03:33:35,840
group of young women. We are blown away

4392
03:33:35,840 --> 03:33:37,760
every year at the caliber of young women

4393
03:33:37,760 --> 03:33:41,680
that come through our program. And we we think we're going to make them

4394
03:33:41,680 --> 03:33:44,239
better, but they make us better. So, um,

4395
03:33:44,239 --> 03:33:45,600
without further ado, maybe Joanne can

4396
03:33:45,600 --> 03:33:46,720
introduce herself.

4397
03:33:46,720 --> 03:33:49,200
>> Certainly. I'm Joanne Jeffs. I am the

4398
03:33:49,200 --> 03:33:51,359
events coordinator for the Miss Orm

4399
03:33:51,359 --> 03:33:53,439
program. And so if you're at a ribbon

4400
03:33:53,439 --> 03:33:55,359
cutting or a city event, you'll probably

4401
03:33:55,359 --> 03:33:58,239
see me there. We love our city officials

4402
03:33:58,239 --> 03:33:59,840
and we love interacting with you

4403
03:33:59,840 --> 03:34:02,319
regularly. It is such a treat for our

4404
03:34:02,319 --> 03:34:04,080
girls to have a relationship with the

4405
03:34:04,080 --> 03:34:06,640
people that run the city and we are so

4406
03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:10,160
grateful for that. Thank you.

4407
03:34:10,160 --> 03:34:11,279
So, we'll turn the time over to the

4408
03:34:11,279 --> 03:34:12,720
girls, but again, we we say this all the

4409
03:34:12,720 --> 03:34:14,080
time, but we are very grateful and

4410
03:34:14,080 --> 03:34:15,359
appreciate your support as a city

4411
03:34:15,359 --> 03:34:18,160
council and um of our program. So, thank

4412
03:34:18,160 --> 03:34:20,800
you.

4413
03:34:20,800 --> 03:34:22,880
>> Hello everyone. You all know me already,

4414
03:34:22,880 --> 03:34:25,920
but hello. My name is Melly. I'm the new

4415
03:34:25,920 --> 03:34:29,200
Miss Sorum for 2026. My community

4416
03:34:29,200 --> 03:34:32,239
service initiative is Melly for MLE,

4417
03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:34,399
multilingual education. So, I'm an

4418
03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:36,640
advocate for especially dual language

4419
03:34:36,640 --> 03:34:38,960
immersion programs here in Utah, but

4420
03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:41,760
just bilingualism in general. I'm a big

4421
03:34:41,760 --> 03:34:45,200
advocate for. Um, and my for one of my

4422
03:34:45,200 --> 03:34:46,880
attendants

4423
03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:48,560
and she's going to introduce herself.

4424
03:34:48,560 --> 03:34:51,120
This is Brooke.

4425
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:53,600
Hello, my name is Brooke and my CSI is

4426
03:34:53,600 --> 03:34:55,359
called Dreamers into believers. It's

4427
03:34:55,359 --> 03:34:56,880
encouraging fifth grade students to

4428
03:34:56,880 --> 03:34:59,040
build leadership skills as they plan to

4429
03:34:59,040 --> 03:35:00,560
create their dreams to help them come

4430
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:03,600
true in the future.

4431
03:35:03,600 --> 03:35:06,319
And then this is our Miss Orum's teen

4432
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:07,439
and she's going to go ahead and

4433
03:35:07,439 --> 03:35:10,160
introduce her teens.

4434
03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:13,120
>> Hi, I'm Andy Oldm. I'm 17. My community

4435
03:35:13,120 --> 03:35:14,960
service initiative is stronger than the

4436
03:35:14,960 --> 03:35:18,080
storm. It focuses on mental health

4437
03:35:18,080 --> 03:35:20,960
awareness for teens mostly. Um, my

4438
03:35:20,960 --> 03:35:25,040
attendants are Harley, Elsie, and oh my

4439
03:35:25,040 --> 03:35:26,000
gosh,

4440
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:27,279
>> Sienna,

4441
03:35:27,279 --> 03:35:29,920
>> I swear I know. But, um, yeah. Anyways,

4442
03:35:29,920 --> 03:35:35,269
I'm excited to serve Orum this year.

4443
03:35:35,279 --> 03:35:37,680
Um, I'm Harley Wild and I'm the first

4444
03:35:37,680 --> 03:35:39,439
attendant for the Miss Orum Teen

4445
03:35:39,439 --> 03:35:43,120
Royalty. And my CSI is keep it green by

4446
03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:44,960
staying clean, which is all about

4447
03:35:44,960 --> 03:35:47,520
keeping our community clean and thriving

4448
03:35:47,520 --> 03:35:50,160
and picking up trash and planting like

4449
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:52,319
plants and trees and flowers and just

4450
03:35:52,319 --> 03:35:57,190
making ORM look beautiful.

4451
03:35:57,200 --> 03:35:59,439
I'm Sienna Buy. I'm the second attendant

4452
03:35:59,439 --> 03:36:01,279
and my community service initiative is

4453
03:36:01,279 --> 03:36:03,359
called Notes of Hope, amplifying change

4454
03:36:03,359 --> 03:36:05,359
through music and it's all about

4455
03:36:05,359 --> 03:36:07,600
connecting musicians with nonprofit

4456
03:36:07,600 --> 03:36:09,359
organizations or other organizations

4457
03:36:09,359 --> 03:36:11,600
that are already instated and helping

4458
03:36:11,600 --> 03:36:13,439
bring more heart awareness and support

4459
03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:17,830
to community events through music.

4460
03:36:17,840 --> 03:36:20,080
Hello, my name is Elsie Thomas and I'm

4461
03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:22,399
the third attendant and my CSI is called

4462
03:36:22,399 --> 03:36:24,479
the Joy Project and it's all about

4463
03:36:24,479 --> 03:36:26,399
finding healthy, effective coping

4464
03:36:26,399 --> 03:36:30,000
mechanisms for people of all ages.

4465
03:36:30,000 --> 03:36:32,080
>> Thank you and congratulations. We look

4466
03:36:32,080 --> 03:36:33,760
forward to working and serving with you

4467
03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:35,760
this year. So, thank you.

4468
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:50,870
>> Thank you.

4469
03:36:50,880 --> 03:36:53,279
Right. Front row. Slide this way just a

4470
03:36:53,279 --> 03:36:54,960
little. There we go. All right. On

4471
03:36:54,960 --> 03:36:57,200
three. One, two, three.

4472
03:36:57,200 --> 03:36:58,880
Thank you so much. I'm going to take one

4473
03:36:58,880 --> 03:37:02,800
with the camera, too. Just a second.

4474
03:37:02,800 --> 03:37:09,190
Okay, we're good.

4475
03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:10,479
» Thank you very much. Should I say

4476
03:37:10,479 --> 03:37:11,359
something, Mayor?

4477
03:37:11,359 --> 03:37:12,560
>> Sure.

4478
03:37:12,560 --> 03:37:14,080
>> We are grateful for these young women

4479
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:16,319
and the great work they do to serve our

4480
03:37:16,319 --> 03:37:18,239
community, but I I just want to give a

4481
03:37:18,239 --> 03:37:23,040
shout out to Donna and

4482
03:37:23,040 --> 03:37:24,640
Joanne.

4483
03:37:24,640 --> 03:37:26,399
um

4484
03:37:26,399 --> 03:37:30,239
they are behind the scenes and do so

4485
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:32,160
much good

4486
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:34,239
not only through this process of the

4487
03:37:34,239 --> 03:37:36,720
pageantss but I've heard from multiple

4488
03:37:36,720 --> 03:37:40,239
parents in the last month of how

4489
03:37:40,239 --> 03:37:43,840
they uh are there to

4490
03:37:43,840 --> 03:37:47,920
support these young women in some really

4491
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:51,040
powerful and empowering ways. and we

4492
03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:52,160
just want you to know how much we

4493
03:37:52,160 --> 03:37:53,439
appreciate you and the work that you do

4494
03:37:53,439 --> 03:37:55,760
and your whole team uh for strengthening

4495
03:37:55,760 --> 03:37:57,680
our community and working with these

4496
03:37:57,680 --> 03:38:00,720
amazing young women. So, thank you.

4497
03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:03,040
>> Thank you.

4498
03:38:03,040 --> 03:38:04,479
>> All right. Our next item is a

4499
03:38:04,479 --> 03:38:06,479
presentation by Cameron Wilson, a

4500
03:38:06,479 --> 03:38:08,479
behavioral health specialist, and it's

4501
03:38:08,479 --> 03:38:11,359
our police autism picnic. So, welcome

4502
03:38:11,359 --> 03:38:33,190
Cameron.

4503
03:38:33,200 --> 03:38:35,680
I'm so happy to be with you today. Um, I

4504
03:38:35,680 --> 03:38:36,960
should come to city council more often

4505
03:38:36,960 --> 03:38:38,000
because I was sitting back there like,

4506
03:38:38,000 --> 03:38:39,279
"Wow, there's so many cool things going

4507
03:38:39,279 --> 03:38:41,040
on that I don't hear about in my little

4508
03:38:41,040 --> 03:38:44,160
bubble over there." Um, but like like uh

4509
03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:45,520
the introduction said that the mayor

4510
03:38:45,520 --> 03:38:47,359
gave, my name is Cameron. I'm the

4511
03:38:47,359 --> 03:38:48,720
behavioral health specialist that runs

4512
03:38:48,720 --> 03:38:50,080
the mental health unit over at the

4513
03:38:50,080 --> 03:38:52,080
police department. Um, and I was asked

4514
03:38:52,080 --> 03:38:54,000
to give a little recap on my favorite

4515
03:38:54,000 --> 03:38:55,359
event of the year that I could talk

4516
03:38:55,359 --> 03:38:57,760
about for a very long time. I'll keep it

4517
03:38:57,760 --> 03:39:00,319
brief today, I promise. But, um, this is

4518
03:39:00,319 --> 03:39:03,040
our fifth annual picnic with police.

4519
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:05,760
Happened about a month ago. Um, just a

4520
03:39:05,760 --> 03:39:07,279
little bit of background. The purpose of

4521
03:39:07,279 --> 03:39:09,600
this event is to celebrate and enhance

4522
03:39:09,600 --> 03:39:11,200
relationships between uniformed law

4523
03:39:11,200 --> 03:39:12,640
enforcement and our citizens with

4524
03:39:12,640 --> 03:39:14,800
special needs. When I first started at

4525
03:39:14,800 --> 03:39:17,279
the police department about 6 years ago,

4526
03:39:17,279 --> 03:39:19,279
um, our now deputy chief was my

4527
03:39:19,279 --> 03:39:21,279
lieutenant and he sat me down and he

4528
03:39:21,279 --> 03:39:22,560
said, "I want you to do a ride along

4529
03:39:22,560 --> 03:39:24,479
with every shift." I was like, "Really?

4530
03:39:24,479 --> 03:39:25,840
Every shift? That's kind of a lot."

4531
03:39:25,840 --> 03:39:27,120
Highly recommend, by the way, if you

4532
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:28,479
guys haven't been on a ride along.

4533
03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:30,080
Sorry, Chief. I'm just throwing that out

4534
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:34,399
there. I'm sure it's fine. Um,

4535
03:39:34,399 --> 03:39:35,920
Maybe he'll take it himself, get back

4536
03:39:35,920 --> 03:39:38,800
out on the road. Could be fun. Um,

4537
03:39:38,800 --> 03:39:41,120
anyway, I went on a ride along and I was

4538
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:42,720
brand spanking new, like two weeks on

4539
03:39:42,720 --> 03:39:45,680
the job. I was with one of our officers.

4540
03:39:45,680 --> 03:39:47,439
He's a he's a big old Polynesian one.

4541
03:39:47,439 --> 03:39:48,960
Cutest little smile on his face all the

4542
03:39:48,960 --> 03:39:50,560
time. Nicest guy, but he's big and

4543
03:39:50,560 --> 03:39:53,040
physically intimidating. And he did a

4544
03:39:53,040 --> 03:39:56,080
traffic stop on a minivan and the mom

4545
03:39:56,080 --> 03:39:57,600
had no license plate on the back of the

4546
03:39:57,600 --> 03:39:59,439
minivan. He pulls her over. Mom's like,

4547
03:39:59,439 --> 03:40:01,359
"Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry." She's very

4548
03:40:01,359 --> 03:40:03,200
stressed and she's like, "I just didn't

4549
03:40:03,200 --> 03:40:04,640
have the right screwdriver. I have the

4550
03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:05,760
license plate here. I just don't have

4551
03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:06,720
the right screwdriver." And he goes,

4552
03:40:06,720 --> 03:40:08,720
"Oh, well, I'll just put it on for you."

4553
03:40:08,720 --> 03:40:10,239
So, I'm in the front seat of his patrol

4554
03:40:10,239 --> 03:40:12,239
car and I'm watching him on the side of

4555
03:40:12,239 --> 03:40:14,960
the road put this license plate on. And

4556
03:40:14,960 --> 03:40:17,359
after a second, you can hear some hear

4557
03:40:17,359 --> 03:40:18,479
some things and see some things

4558
03:40:18,479 --> 03:40:19,840
happening in the minivan. And I was

4559
03:40:19,840 --> 03:40:22,479
like, uh, a little concerning. And he

4560
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:24,000
kind of looks back at me and I look at

4561
03:40:24,000 --> 03:40:26,399
him and I'm like, hey, there's some

4562
03:40:26,399 --> 03:40:28,239
stuff going on in there. He walks over

4563
03:40:28,239 --> 03:40:29,760
to the driver's side and the mom says,

4564
03:40:29,760 --> 03:40:31,680
"I'm so sorry. I have a son who's got

4565
03:40:31,680 --> 03:40:34,080
autism and he is terrified of police

4566
03:40:34,080 --> 03:40:36,000
officers."

4567
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:38,080
And he was a young kid and the officer,

4568
03:40:38,080 --> 03:40:39,600
he runs back to his car and he's trying

4569
03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:41,520
to find some stickers and they all stay

4570
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:42,960
pretty stocked with like stickers and

4571
03:40:42,960 --> 03:40:44,399
snacks and treats and things like that

4572
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:46,479
for situations like this. And he's

4573
03:40:46,479 --> 03:40:48,720
trying to get the kid to calm down and

4574
03:40:48,720 --> 03:40:50,720
create some sort of rapport. The mom

4575
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:51,840
eventually just looks at him and is

4576
03:40:51,840 --> 03:40:53,600
like, "Can you just can you just let us

4577
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:55,439
go?" He's like, "Yeah, totally fine.

4578
03:40:55,439 --> 03:40:56,720
Have a good day."

4579
03:40:56,720 --> 03:40:59,040
Well, I got back and my lieutenant asked

4580
03:40:59,040 --> 03:41:00,479
me, "How was your ride along?" And I

4581
03:41:00,479 --> 03:41:03,120
said, "This is bugging me. This is

4582
03:41:03,120 --> 03:41:04,399
bothering me." So, I kind of vented a

4583
03:41:04,399 --> 03:41:05,760
little bit and he goes, "Well, what are

4584
03:41:05,760 --> 03:41:07,439
you going to do about it?" I was like,

4585
03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:09,680
"Uh, I don't know. Been on the job for

4586
03:41:09,680 --> 03:41:11,040
two weeks." And he said, "Well, that's

4587
03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:13,760
why we hired you." So, I brainstormed

4588
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:15,520
with my team with great support from our

4589
03:41:15,520 --> 03:41:17,520
administration. We came up with the

4590
03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:19,520
picnic with police. So, this is our

4591
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:20,880
fifth year. Our first year, we were

4592
03:41:20,880 --> 03:41:22,560
expecting about 200 people. We had about

4593
03:41:22,560 --> 03:41:25,439
500. Well, this year, um, we had over

4594
03:41:25,439 --> 03:41:28,640
1,500 in attendance. Um, we hit our

4595
03:41:28,640 --> 03:41:30,800
target demographic very well. You can

4596
03:41:30,800 --> 03:41:33,200
look around and see that it draws in the

4597
03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:34,880
right people because it is an event

4598
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:38,319
that's needed. Um, we had so many

4599
03:41:38,319 --> 03:41:40,560
booths. Uh, we had over 70 police

4600
03:41:40,560 --> 03:41:42,560
department employees there. We ran 15

4601
03:41:42,560 --> 03:41:45,120
different police booths. Connect For the

4602
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:47,120
Grill, face painting, kickball,

4603
03:41:47,120 --> 03:41:49,600
volleyball, Legos, you name it, they're

4604
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:51,600
doing it. Um, that's a good chunk of our

4605
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:55,359
force, by the way. Um, and we ran 15

4606
03:41:55,359 --> 03:41:56,640
different police booths and then we had

4607
03:41:56,640 --> 03:41:59,279
22 local organizations, resource booths

4608
03:41:59,279 --> 03:42:02,399
come in and do activities and and give

4609
03:42:02,399 --> 03:42:03,840
families the tools that they needed

4610
03:42:03,840 --> 03:42:05,920
hopefully to prevent a crisis situation

4611
03:42:05,920 --> 03:42:08,399
in in the in the first place, right? Get

4612
03:42:08,399 --> 03:42:10,160
them better connected. Um, it's

4613
03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:12,479
something that we can do in a reactive

4614
03:42:12,479 --> 03:42:14,399
department to be a little bit more

4615
03:42:14,399 --> 03:42:17,200
proactive. So, um, I know in years past

4616
03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:19,040
we've had some council members present.

4617
03:42:19,040 --> 03:42:21,200
Bad timing this year, probably my bad.

4618
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:22,800
you guys were at a at a nice little

4619
03:42:22,800 --> 03:42:24,319
retreat and that's okay. We'll catch you

4620
03:42:24,319 --> 03:42:27,120
next year. Um, but it's it's genuinely

4621
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:29,120
one of my favorite events. So, the

4622
03:42:29,120 --> 03:42:30,800
feedback was really great from attendees

4623
03:42:30,800 --> 03:42:32,000
and the resource booths and our

4624
03:42:32,000 --> 03:42:34,160
officers. They actually, not to brag or

4625
03:42:34,160 --> 03:42:35,520
anything, but they fought about who had

4626
03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:37,680
to work the road this year so that they

4627
03:42:37,680 --> 03:42:39,200
could come to the picnic. So, some of

4628
03:42:39,200 --> 03:42:40,800
them duked it out and decided who

4629
03:42:40,800 --> 03:42:43,359
covered what. But, um, it's becoming

4630
03:42:43,359 --> 03:42:45,680
just a it's a really good event that we

4631
03:42:45,680 --> 03:42:47,359
all look forward to at the department.

4632
03:42:47,359 --> 03:42:49,760
Um, I hear about it all year long. Oh my

4633
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:51,200
gosh, you're the you're the police

4634
03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:52,960
department that does the picnic. We love

4635
03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:55,680
that. Um, and just the interactions are

4636
03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:57,760
fun and genuine and it's the best

4637
03:42:57,760 --> 03:42:59,359
training I could ever give for our

4638
03:42:59,359 --> 03:43:01,359
officers and the best interaction that I

4639
03:43:01,359 --> 03:43:03,520
could give to the public to just kind of

4640
03:43:03,520 --> 03:43:05,279
ease some of that tension and make sure

4641
03:43:05,279 --> 03:43:06,720
that we have good relationships with the

4642
03:43:06,720 --> 03:43:09,840
vulnerable population. So, um, another

4643
03:43:09,840 --> 03:43:12,239
thing to note, this event doesn't cost

4644
03:43:12,239 --> 03:43:14,880
any taxpayer dollars. Um, it's entirely

4645
03:43:14,880 --> 03:43:17,120
run from donations and sponsorships. the

4646
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:19,359
Autism Council and Macy's were our two

4647
03:43:19,359 --> 03:43:21,359
sponsors this year. And so big shout out

4648
03:43:21,359 --> 03:43:23,199
to them and to our parks department

4649
03:43:23,199 --> 03:43:26,000
because I would die if the parks

4650
03:43:26,000 --> 03:43:31,359
department didn't help me. So we're very grateful. Any questions?

4651
03:43:31,359 --> 03:43:32,960
>> Sounds like a wonderful event. I'm sorry

4652
03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:33,760
we missed it.

4653
03:43:33,760 --> 03:43:34,319
>> That's okay

4654
03:43:34,319 --> 03:43:34,960
>> on that.

4655
03:43:34,960 --> 03:43:36,720
>> We'll we'll be here next year.

4656
03:43:36,720 --> 03:43:39,120
>> So will I speak.

4657
03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:41,359
>> Anybody else?

4658
03:43:41,359 --> 03:43:43,120
say, "I'm really sad when I found out

4659
03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:45,600
that we were at our um League of Cities

4660
03:43:45,600 --> 03:43:48,160
and Towns convention. I was really sad.

4661
03:43:48,160 --> 03:43:50,080
You guys do such a great job. I have

4662
03:43:50,080 --> 03:43:52,560
several friends who take their children

4663
03:43:52,560 --> 03:43:55,520
and it's a gamecher. It truly is that

4664
03:43:55,520 --> 03:43:57,760
relationship building that takes place

4665
03:43:57,760 --> 03:43:59,279
there. It looks like just a big party,

4666
03:43:59,279 --> 03:44:02,080
but it truly truly you're fulfilling the

4667
03:44:02,080 --> 03:44:04,239
purpose. So, thank you for that

4668
03:44:04,239 --> 03:44:05,120
inspiration."

4669
03:44:05,120 --> 03:44:06,560
>> Thank you. Thank you, Chief. Anything I

4670
03:44:06,560 --> 03:44:10,070
missed?

4671
03:44:10,080 --> 03:44:12,000
Thank you so much for your time.

4672
03:44:12,000 --> 03:44:20,710
>> All right. Thank you.

4673
03:44:20,720 --> 03:44:23,279
All right. Next item on our agenda are

4674
03:44:23,279 --> 03:44:25,680
personal appearances. So time's been set

4675
03:44:25,680 --> 03:44:27,439
aside for the public to express their

4676
03:44:27,439 --> 03:44:29,520
ideas, concerns, and comments on items

4677
03:44:29,520 --> 03:44:31,199
not scheduled as public hearings on the

4678
03:44:31,199 --> 03:44:33,840
agenda. Those wishing to speak are

4679
03:44:33,840 --> 03:44:35,840
encouraged to show respect for those who

4680
03:44:35,840 --> 03:44:38,880
serve the city. comments should focus on

4681
03:44:38,880 --> 03:44:41,199
issues concerning the city. Those

4682
03:44:41,199 --> 03:44:43,760
wishing to speak have already signed up

4683
03:44:43,760 --> 03:44:45,279
had the opportunity to sign up before

4684
03:44:45,279 --> 03:44:47,279
the meeting and I will I'll stick with

4685
03:44:47,279 --> 03:44:51,680
that list. There over a dozen of you and

4686
03:44:51,680 --> 03:44:53,439
this last part, please limit your

4687
03:44:53,439 --> 03:44:56,720
comments to three minutes or less. I

4688
03:44:56,720 --> 03:44:58,399
just want to give you a heads up. I

4689
03:44:58,399 --> 03:44:59,920
learned right before the meeting that we

4690
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:04,399
have a new timing system here at for the

4691
03:45:04,399 --> 03:45:09,760
personal appearances. Uh, we've had some issues with people going over three

4692
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:12,319
minutes and so I don't know if Do you

4693
03:45:12,319 --> 03:45:15,359
want to do a test run, Pete, to show

4694
03:45:15,359 --> 03:45:18,560
what's going to happen?

4695
03:45:18,560 --> 03:45:20,960
So, it goes well, I guess. Do we have to

4696
03:45:20,960 --> 03:45:24,479
wait through the whole three minutes?

4697
03:45:24,479 --> 03:45:26,399
Okay. So, when it gets down to what

4698
03:45:26,399 --> 03:45:30,080
what's going to happen if

4699
03:45:30,080 --> 03:45:32,239
Okay. Yeah. as it as it counts down,

4700
03:45:32,239 --> 03:45:34,720
it'll give you a warning and then it'll

4701
03:45:34,720 --> 03:45:37,359
do some chimes, but uh just respect the

4702
03:45:37,359 --> 03:45:39,760
time is basically what we're asking.

4703
03:45:39,760 --> 03:45:44,399
>> Okay. So, yes, it has that. So, we ask

4704
03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:46,560
that you you do limit your comments to

4705
03:45:46,560 --> 03:45:48,720
three minutes. I do notice that a number

4706
03:45:48,720 --> 03:45:51,760
of you have have spoken with us before

4707
03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:54,080
about the same topic. So, I would

4708
03:45:54,080 --> 03:45:56,319
encourage you that you are just that if

4709
03:45:56,319 --> 03:45:57,600
you don't need to take the 3 minutes,

4710
03:45:57,600 --> 03:45:58,880
we're not going to make you take three

4711
03:45:58,880 --> 03:46:01,199
minutes that you can take as up to 3

4712
03:46:01,199 --> 03:46:03,199
minutes. And like I said, we have over a

4713
03:46:03,199 --> 03:46:06,399
dozen who've signed up all to talk about

4714
03:46:06,399 --> 03:46:09,199
short-term rentals. So, we'll go ahead

4715
03:46:09,199 --> 03:46:12,960
and get started with Amy Harks. Is it

4716
03:46:12,960 --> 03:46:16,319
Amy? Is that right? Okay. Yep.

4717
03:46:16,319 --> 03:46:24,469
Welcome

4718
03:46:24,479 --> 03:46:26,640
I feel like the guinea pig with the new

4719
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:29,439
timing system.

4720
03:46:29,439 --> 03:46:31,520
Um, thank you for the opportunity to

4721
03:46:31,520 --> 03:46:33,120
share my thoughts on short-term rentals.

4722
03:46:33,120 --> 03:46:34,800
I didn't realize it was all going to be

4723
03:46:34,800 --> 03:46:36,239
short-term rentals tonight. I'm

4724
03:46:36,239 --> 03:46:38,479
definitely under three minutes. My name

4725
03:46:38,479 --> 03:46:40,720
is Amy Horex and I am a resident of

4726
03:46:40,720 --> 03:46:42,640
Oram. I'm very grateful for the work

4727
03:46:42,640 --> 03:46:45,120
that you all do as council members and

4728
03:46:45,120 --> 03:46:46,640
for the people that come to the city

4729
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,479
council meetings. I do come as often as

4730
03:46:48,479 --> 03:46:50,560
I can and I enjoy hearing what's

4731
03:46:50,560 --> 03:46:52,560
happening in the city. Uh clearly from

4732
03:46:52,560 --> 03:46:55,199
my accent I'm not originally from Oram

4733
03:46:55,199 --> 03:46:56,960
but my husband grew up here and we've

4734
03:46:56,960 --> 03:47:00,000
been here for over 9 years now. Um and I

4735
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:02,319
love living in the city of Oram. Our

4736
03:47:02,319 --> 03:47:04,080
youngest daughter just graduated from

4737
03:47:04,080 --> 03:47:06,640
Mountain View last week. Uh so it's been

4738
03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:08,560
a privilege to feel exhausted from all

4739
03:47:08,560 --> 03:47:10,239
the events that we've done to get her to

4740
03:47:10,239 --> 03:47:14,000
that point. Um, but tonight I am here as

4741
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:16,399
a resident to express my concern for the

4742
03:47:16,399 --> 03:47:17,920
issue at hand, which is short-term

4743
03:47:17,920 --> 03:47:21,120
rentals and their continuation in Oram.

4744
03:47:21,120 --> 03:47:23,359
Um, I'm concerned as the decision seems

4745
03:47:23,359 --> 03:47:25,600
to be coming black and white, and I'm

4746
03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:27,439
unclear as to why there is no middle

4747
03:47:27,439 --> 03:47:30,239
ground for short-term rentals. Um, I

4748
03:47:30,239 --> 03:47:32,000
have good friends in the room here

4749
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:34,239
tonight whose primary source of income

4750
03:47:34,239 --> 03:47:36,479
is through short-term rentals. Um,

4751
03:47:36,479 --> 03:47:38,319
they've created these short-term rentals

4752
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:40,239
legally and follow everything that is

4753
03:47:40,239 --> 03:47:42,560
required of them. And I'm sure if you

4754
03:47:42,560 --> 03:47:44,160
were to ask any of their surrounding

4755
03:47:44,160 --> 03:47:46,560
neighbors or friends of these people,

4756
03:47:46,560 --> 03:47:48,479
they would have no complaints amongst

4757
03:47:48,479 --> 03:47:50,479
them. I'm sorry to hear about the

4758
03:47:50,479 --> 03:47:52,160
terrible experiences that have been

4759
03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:54,000
expressed by some of the residents of

4760
03:47:54,000 --> 03:47:56,239
Oram with short-term rentals that are

4761
03:47:56,239 --> 03:47:57,920
near them. And I've heard the stories

4762
03:47:57,920 --> 03:48:00,479
and they do sound pretty horrific. Um,

4763
03:48:00,479 --> 03:48:02,800
but that said, I can't help but wonder

4764
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:05,279
if in there isn't a short uh a middle

4765
03:48:05,279 --> 03:48:07,920
ground that does not completely remove

4766
03:48:07,920 --> 03:48:10,399
short-term rentals, but rather makes it

4767
03:48:10,399 --> 03:48:12,399
harder for those who are not adhering to

4768
03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:14,960
the short-term rental laws continue

4769
03:48:14,960 --> 03:48:17,520
providing this service. I agree that

4770
03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:19,040
these those creating significant

4771
03:48:19,040 --> 03:48:20,800
neighborhood disturbance and disruption

4772
03:48:20,800 --> 03:48:22,960
should be penalized heavily. But

4773
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:25,279
punishing every short-term rental owner

4774
03:48:25,279 --> 03:48:27,760
for the bad behavior of some does not

4775
03:48:27,760 --> 03:48:30,640
all in honesty seem fair. The friends I

4776
03:48:30,640 --> 03:48:32,720
have who own short-term rentals are the

4777
03:48:32,720 --> 03:48:34,880
kind of people I believe we all want as

4778
03:48:34,880 --> 03:48:37,520
our neighbors in Oram. I would prefer we

4779
03:48:37,520 --> 03:48:40,000
found solutions to protect them and

4780
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:42,239
remove the exploitation of the few who

4781
03:48:42,239 --> 03:48:45,040
have found ways to do so. Thank you so

4782
03:48:45,040 --> 03:48:46,640
much for your time.

4783
03:48:46,640 --> 03:48:50,319
>> Thank you. And I and I apologize that I

4784
03:48:50,319 --> 03:48:52,160
didn't mention this earlier as I saw

4785
03:48:52,160 --> 03:48:53,600
what the topic is for everybody. I want

4786
03:48:53,600 --> 03:48:54,800
to give you a quick update on where we

4787
03:48:54,800 --> 03:48:57,279
are on short-term rentals. We just spent

4788
03:48:57,279 --> 03:48:59,439
an hour over an hour in our our work

4789
03:48:59,439 --> 03:49:02,800
meeting continuing to review short-term

4790
03:49:02,800 --> 03:49:05,040
rentals and and some of the the issues

4791
03:49:05,040 --> 03:49:07,840
with that. We appreciate legal staff uh

4792
03:49:07,840 --> 03:49:09,439
particularly Jake Summers for for

4793
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:11,439
helping with that. Just to let you know

4794
03:49:11,439 --> 03:49:13,520
where we are right now is this city

4795
03:49:13,520 --> 03:49:16,800
council has directed uh our attorney's

4796
03:49:16,800 --> 03:49:18,319
office to draft two different

4797
03:49:18,319 --> 03:49:21,439
ordinances. One ordinance would allow

4798
03:49:21,439 --> 03:49:24,080
owner occupied

4799
03:49:24,080 --> 03:49:27,040
uh short-term rental units.

4800
03:49:27,040 --> 03:49:30,160
Other the other ordinance would allow

4801
03:49:30,160 --> 03:49:32,000
uh non-owner occupied be two-tiered

4802
03:49:32,000 --> 03:49:33,279
system where there would be owner

4803
03:49:33,279 --> 03:49:35,199
occupied and then non-owner occupied

4804
03:49:35,199 --> 03:49:38,399
with a number uh in allowed in the city

4805
03:49:38,399 --> 03:49:39,840
to be determined. That's something that

4806
03:49:39,840 --> 03:49:42,960
we still need to hammer out. So right

4807
03:49:42,960 --> 03:49:45,040
now that's where we stand on looking at

4808
03:49:45,040 --> 03:49:48,080
those two ordinances right now. Uh right

4809
03:49:48,080 --> 03:49:50,640
now we've got June 23rd as our next work

4810
03:49:50,640 --> 03:49:52,800
session where those two proposed

4811
03:49:52,800 --> 03:49:54,399
ordinances will come back to the city

4812
03:49:54,399 --> 03:49:57,680
council for discussion and we I thought

4813
03:49:57,680 --> 03:49:59,359
we had a productive meeting today

4814
03:49:59,359 --> 03:50:02,080
council as far as as that's concerned.

4815
03:50:02,080 --> 03:50:03,840
But that's that's the update right now

4816
03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:06,479
that right now it appears that there

4817
03:50:06,479 --> 03:50:08,399
isn't going to be an allout ban that

4818
03:50:08,399 --> 03:50:09,840
because the two ordinances that the

4819
03:50:09,840 --> 03:50:12,960
council has directed uh include

4820
03:50:12,960 --> 03:50:14,640
short-term rentals in the community.

4821
03:50:14,640 --> 03:50:16,880
It's whether or not it's just owner

4822
03:50:16,880 --> 03:50:19,040
occupied or are we going to allow

4823
03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:21,520
non-owner occupied as well. That's that

4824
03:50:21,520 --> 03:50:24,479
that's where we are right now. Again,

4825
03:50:24,479 --> 03:50:26,000
there's no final decision. That's not a

4826
03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:27,840
final decision. We've got a long ways to

4827
03:50:27,840 --> 03:50:29,920
go still before that final decision, but

4828
03:50:29,920 --> 03:50:32,800
that's that's where we are in our point

4829
03:50:32,800 --> 03:50:35,199
of discussion.

4830
03:50:35,199 --> 03:50:36,160
>> Sure.

4831
03:50:36,160 --> 03:50:38,720
>> Yeah. So, just to your point, um, and

4832
03:50:38,720 --> 03:50:41,359
that is a compromise. We are doing

4833
03:50:41,359 --> 03:50:43,840
compromises. We have heard strongly from

4834
03:50:43,840 --> 03:50:45,680
our residents that they want an all-out

4835
03:50:45,680 --> 03:50:49,600
ban. So just so people understand there

4836
03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:52,640
are compromises that are happening and

4837
03:50:52,640 --> 03:50:54,239
just because it's not going to show up

4838
03:50:54,239 --> 03:50:56,399
on an agenda in a future meeting doesn't

4839
03:50:56,399 --> 03:50:59,120
mean that compromise wasn't made.

4840
03:50:59,120 --> 03:51:01,680
>> Do you I thank you. I appreciate that. I

4841
03:51:01,680 --> 03:51:03,439
appreciate that clarification. I I

4842
03:51:03,439 --> 03:51:05,359
neglect that we there were a couple of

4843
03:51:05,359 --> 03:51:08,640
council members who felt an a ban on all

4844
03:51:08,640 --> 03:51:12,399
were was appropriate. And so yes, what we're what you're seeing and will

4845
03:51:12,399 --> 03:51:14,479
be the ordinances that are coming

4846
03:51:14,479 --> 03:51:16,560
forward on for our further discussion on

4847
03:51:16,560 --> 03:51:19,359
June 23rd are compromises as as we've

4848
03:51:19,359 --> 03:51:21,680
gone forward. So thank you. Thank you

4849
03:51:21,680 --> 03:51:24,160
for that clarification. Appreciate it.

4850
03:51:24,160 --> 03:51:32,630
Next is is it Nico Romney?

4851
03:51:32,640 --> 03:51:37,120
Hello. Um, my name is Nico Romney and I

4852
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:40,000
work with uh short-term and long-term

4853
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:43,439
investors all over the state of Utah. We

4854
03:51:43,439 --> 03:51:46,880
have long-term properties in ORUM as

4855
03:51:46,880 --> 03:51:51,120
well as as uh short-term properties. Um,

4856
03:51:51,120 --> 03:51:52,880
tonight I just kind of want to focus on

4857
03:51:52,880 --> 03:51:55,600
the economic impact of these properties

4858
03:51:55,600 --> 03:51:58,720
and also the economic benefit or just

4859
03:51:58,720 --> 03:52:01,840
the overall benefit to the community of

4860
03:52:01,840 --> 03:52:04,800
ORM. Um, the majority of short-term

4861
03:52:04,800 --> 03:52:08,000
rental owners I work with are not large

4862
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:10,000
uh corporations. They are local

4863
03:52:10,000 --> 03:52:12,720
residents, families, and small

4864
03:52:12,720 --> 03:52:15,439
investors. These are people who love

4865
03:52:15,439 --> 03:52:18,399
ORUM and believe in this community. They

4866
03:52:18,399 --> 03:52:21,199
want to share it with investors or with

4867
03:52:21,199 --> 03:52:24,239
visitors. Many are using these

4868
03:52:24,239 --> 03:52:27,279
properties to help offset rising costs,

4869
03:52:27,279 --> 03:52:30,080
create financial stability, and build

4870
03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:32,000
long-term security for their families

4871
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:35,520
and retirement. Um, short-term rentals

4872
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:37,760
create consistent work for local

4873
03:52:37,760 --> 03:52:42,160
cleaners, landscapers, handymen,

4874
03:52:42,160 --> 03:52:46,000
uh, plumbers, electricians, contractors,

4875
03:52:46,000 --> 03:52:49,920
photographers, and small businesses. Um,

4876
03:52:49,920 --> 03:52:52,080
these properties also bring visitors

4877
03:52:52,080 --> 03:52:54,720
into ORM who directly support local

4878
03:52:54,720 --> 03:52:58,160
businesses. Um, as a host, we actively

4879
03:52:58,160 --> 03:53:00,000
encourage guests to support local

4880
03:53:00,000 --> 03:53:02,239
businesses. We recommend Oram

4881
03:53:02,239 --> 03:53:04,080
restaurants

4882
03:53:04,080 --> 03:53:10,000
um including Taco Amigo and Maria Bonita

4883
03:53:10,000 --> 03:53:12,800
and so many more um to encourage our

4884
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:17,040
guests to um experience something new

4885
03:53:17,040 --> 03:53:19,120
and experience something that's unique

4886
03:53:19,120 --> 03:53:22,399
to Oram. Um

4887
03:53:22,399 --> 03:53:26,239
also with most of in many cases these

4888
03:53:26,239 --> 03:53:29,439
guests already have strong ties to ORM.

4889
03:53:29,439 --> 03:53:33,199
Um a large portion are visiting family,

4890
03:53:33,199 --> 03:53:35,279
friends,

4891
03:53:35,279 --> 03:53:38,960
students or local universities. Um

4892
03:53:38,960 --> 03:53:41,359
others are former residents returning to

4893
03:53:41,359 --> 03:53:44,800
visit loved ones, attend graduations,

4894
03:53:44,800 --> 03:53:47,439
weddings, sporting events or community

4895
03:53:47,439 --> 03:53:50,479
gatherings. Um

4896
03:53:50,479 --> 03:53:52,000
so

4897
03:53:52,000 --> 03:53:55,359
uh we we just ask for fair regulation.

4898
03:53:55,359 --> 03:53:59,199
We we do try to do everything we can to

4899
03:53:59,199 --> 03:54:01,359
be good neighbors, to take care of our

4900
03:54:01,359 --> 03:54:03,840
properties, to bring the quality of our

4901
03:54:03,840 --> 03:54:05,840
neighborhoods up, and to be very

4902
03:54:05,840 --> 03:54:09,920
respectful. We send messages to renters.

4903
03:54:09,920 --> 03:54:11,920
There is a huge benefit to these

4904
03:54:11,920 --> 03:54:14,399
short-term rentals where people come in

4905
03:54:14,399 --> 03:54:16,640
oftent times, fall in love with the

4906
03:54:16,640 --> 03:54:19,199
city, and do bring their families and

4907
03:54:19,199 --> 03:54:21,439
move in. We've had pe we've had people

4908
03:54:21,439 --> 03:54:25,040
come in, love it, come back, come back

4909
03:54:25,040 --> 03:54:27,520
and return and return again, and we've

4910
03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:29,600
actually had several who then came and

4911
03:54:29,600 --> 03:54:32,399
bought homes in in Oram. So, we really

4912
03:54:32,399 --> 03:54:34,080
do appreciate that you guys are

4913
03:54:34,080 --> 03:54:35,680
listening, that you are making

4914
03:54:35,680 --> 03:54:37,439
compromises, and you are working with

4915
03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:39,120
us. Thank you.

4916
03:54:39,120 --> 03:54:40,880
>> Thank you.

4917
03:54:40,880 --> 03:54:43,760
Next up is um Morgan Romney. Then after

4918
03:54:43,760 --> 03:54:51,030
Morgan will be Chris Hammond.

4919
03:54:51,040 --> 03:54:54,560
Hi. Um, my name is Aubrey Spicer. I'm

4920
03:54:54,560 --> 03:54:56,319
taking his wife's spot because I was

4921
03:54:56,319 --> 03:54:58,960
late to sign my name down. Um, and I

4922
03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:01,680
live next to a sober living home, a

4923
03:55:01,680 --> 03:55:03,279
short-term rental property, and many

4924
03:55:03,279 --> 03:55:06,080
long-term renters in my neighborhood. We

4925
03:55:06,080 --> 03:55:07,520
were asked by some of our friends to

4926
03:55:07,520 --> 03:55:09,199
come and share our experience with

4927
03:55:09,199 --> 03:55:11,680
short-term rentals, sober living, and

4928
03:55:11,680 --> 03:55:14,399
long-term rentals in our neighborhood. I

4929
03:55:14,399 --> 03:55:16,000
understand the importance of occupancy

4930
03:55:16,000 --> 03:55:18,239
limits and protecting neighborhoods, but

4931
03:55:18,239 --> 03:55:21,359
I do not believe a blanket cap of eight

4932
03:55:21,359 --> 03:55:22,640
people, which I think is what you guys

4933
03:55:22,640 --> 03:55:24,160
were looking at for every short-term

4934
03:55:24,160 --> 03:55:26,640
rental is the solution to your guys's

4935
03:55:26,640 --> 03:55:29,279
problem. Um, in our area, the short-term

4936
03:55:29,279 --> 03:55:32,160
rental guests are families visitings for

4937
03:55:32,160 --> 03:55:34,319
weddings, funerals, graduations, and

4938
03:55:34,319 --> 03:55:37,680
events at BYU and UVU. Um, a family of

4939
03:55:37,680 --> 03:55:39,760
12 traveling together may only bring

4940
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:41,600
three or four vehicles and create very

4941
03:55:41,600 --> 03:55:42,960
little neighborhood impact and the home

4942
03:55:42,960 --> 03:55:45,760
is kept in beautiful standing. In

4943
03:55:45,760 --> 03:55:48,080
contrast, neighborhood impacts are

4944
03:55:48,080 --> 03:55:50,319
usually um caused by things like

4945
03:55:50,319 --> 03:55:52,160
excessive parking, noise, trash, and

4946
03:55:52,160 --> 03:55:54,960
poorly poor property management, not

4947
03:55:54,960 --> 03:55:57,279
simply the number of people inside a

4948
03:55:57,279 --> 03:56:00,160
home. Um, from my own experience, the

4949
03:56:00,160 --> 03:56:01,840
short-term rental near me has had no

4950
03:56:01,840 --> 03:56:03,600
issues because it has clear parking

4951
03:56:03,600 --> 03:56:07,439
limits, rules, and active management.

4952
03:56:07,439 --> 03:56:09,680
That has mattered far more than the

4953
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:12,640
occupancy alone. When our friend asked

4954
03:56:12,640 --> 03:56:14,160
if we would come address our honest

4955
03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:15,279
concerns with the different types of

4956
03:56:15,279 --> 03:56:16,800
properties in our neighborhood, the

4957
03:56:16,800 --> 03:56:18,239
short-term rentals, sober living,

4958
03:56:18,239 --> 03:56:20,239
long-term rentals, and owner occupied

4959
03:56:20,239 --> 03:56:22,399
homes, we have seen and have had far

4960
03:56:22,399 --> 03:56:24,720
more issues with the sober living

4961
03:56:24,720 --> 03:56:26,800
long-term rentals um than we have ever

4962
03:56:26,800 --> 03:56:29,439
had with any of the short-term rentals.

4963
03:56:29,439 --> 03:56:31,680
Um, if the city's concern is truly

4964
03:56:31,680 --> 03:56:35,040
neighborhood impact, then regulations um

4965
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:36,720
should focus consistently on measurable

4966
03:56:36,720 --> 03:56:38,239
issues like the parking overflow,

4967
03:56:38,239 --> 03:56:40,160
nuisance, behavior, property upkeep, and

4968
03:56:40,160 --> 03:56:42,720
code enforcement across all housing

4969
03:56:42,720 --> 03:56:45,520
types. Um, long-term rentals and owner

4970
03:56:45,520 --> 03:56:47,439
occupied homes can also create

4971
03:56:47,439 --> 03:56:48,800
significant neighborhood issues when

4972
03:56:48,800 --> 03:56:50,239
properties are neglected, vehicles

4973
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:52,720
overflow onto the street, um, or

4974
03:56:52,720 --> 03:56:54,720
ordinances are not enforced. The focus

4975
03:56:54,720 --> 03:56:56,160
should be on the actual impact to

4976
03:56:56,160 --> 03:56:58,960
neighbors, not arbitrary uh occupancy

4977
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:01,120
number alone. I would encourage the

4978
03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:02,479
council to focus on measurable

4979
03:57:02,479 --> 03:57:04,080
neighborhood impact such as parking. Oh,

4980
03:57:04,080 --> 03:57:06,960
did I just read that? Oh, sorry. Okay. I

4981
03:57:06,960 --> 03:57:08,880
know Hebrew City has just implemented an

4982
03:57:08,880 --> 03:57:11,680
occupancy rule of 16 guests capped, but

4983
03:57:11,680 --> 03:57:13,439
the parking only allows for whatever can

4984
03:57:13,439 --> 03:57:15,760
fit in the driveway, which seems like a

4985
03:57:15,760 --> 03:57:17,279
great way to respect neighbors and also

4986
03:57:17,279 --> 03:57:20,319
encourage the right people to book. Um,

4987
03:57:20,319 --> 03:57:22,239
I love ORM. I've lived here now for 9

4988
03:57:22,239 --> 03:57:24,720
years and I'm from Idaho originally from

4989
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:27,359
a little farm town. So, it's been so fun

4990
03:57:27,359 --> 03:57:31,040
to live in the big city for me. Um, and

4991
03:57:31,040 --> 03:57:32,560
that's just what I've experienced so far

4992
03:57:32,560 --> 03:57:34,880
is just the the differences between

4993
03:57:34,880 --> 03:57:37,040
short-term rentals, the sober living,

4994
03:57:37,040 --> 03:57:38,880
and then the long-term rentals. They

4995
03:57:38,880 --> 03:57:40,080
just seem to be a little bit more

4996
03:57:40,080 --> 03:57:41,840
problematic. And I wish there was more

4997
03:57:41,840 --> 03:57:43,520
emphasis on them than the short-term

4998
03:57:43,520 --> 03:57:46,399
rentals. And um I believe we can protect

4999
03:57:46,399 --> 03:57:47,680
neighborhoods while still allowing

5000
03:57:47,680 --> 03:57:49,439
responsible property owners to operate

5001
03:57:49,439 --> 03:57:51,680
in a way that benefits visiting families

5002
03:57:51,680 --> 03:57:54,640
and our local uh economy. Thank you.

5003
03:57:54,640 --> 03:57:56,800
>> Thank you.

5004
03:57:56,800 --> 03:58:01,359
Right. Next. What? Um Spicer, Aubrey

5005
03:58:01,359 --> 03:58:03,840
Spicer, right? Okay, great. All right.

5006
03:58:03,840 --> 03:58:05,600
Next we have Chris Hammond. And then

5007
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:09,199
after Miss Hammond we have John Brooks.

5008
03:58:09,199 --> 03:58:10,000
Welcome.

5009
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:13,520
>> Hi again. So nice to see you all.

5010
03:58:13,520 --> 03:58:18,080
Um, I am here one more time just to

5011
03:58:18,080 --> 03:58:21,920
express as once again my positive for

5012
03:58:21,920 --> 03:58:24,080
short-term rentals. I spent a good part

5013
03:58:24,080 --> 03:58:26,720
of my adult life looking at and studying

5014
03:58:26,720 --> 03:58:29,520
correlations, evaluation policy, finding

5015
03:58:29,520 --> 03:58:31,199
reasonable solutions for complex

5016
03:58:31,199 --> 03:58:34,000
problems. I respectfully ask that ORM

5017
03:58:34,000 --> 03:58:36,239
city council to rely on statistics,

5018
03:58:36,239 --> 03:58:38,080
data, and thoughtful planning and

5019
03:58:38,080 --> 03:58:39,840
creating policy that makes sense for

5020
03:58:39,840 --> 03:58:42,640
long-term solves a problem and does not

5021
03:58:42,640 --> 03:58:45,680
require a consider reconsideration.

5022
03:58:45,680 --> 03:58:48,000
Even last week, Salt Lake City is having

5023
03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:50,880
to reconsider. We have the Olympics

5024
03:58:50,880 --> 03:58:52,319
coming to Salt Lake and they're not

5025
03:58:52,319 --> 03:58:54,239
going to have adequate places for people

5026
03:58:54,239 --> 03:58:56,000
to stay because they got rid of

5027
03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:57,359
short-term rentals. And so, they're

5028
03:58:57,359 --> 03:58:59,680
having to relook at it. Boulder City is

5029
03:58:59,680 --> 03:59:01,600
another one where Sundance is going and

5030
03:59:01,600 --> 03:59:02,800
they're going to have to reconsider

5031
03:59:02,800 --> 03:59:04,880
there because of their restrictions that

5032
03:59:04,880 --> 03:59:07,279
they've made. I am hoping that we can

5033
03:59:07,279 --> 03:59:10,239
look forward thinking versus backward.

5034
03:59:10,239 --> 03:59:12,960
It's always nice to say back then was so

5035
03:59:12,960 --> 03:59:15,359
much better, but we have got to look

5036
03:59:15,359 --> 03:59:18,399
forward. BYU is adding a medical school.

5037
03:59:18,399 --> 03:59:20,720
The U of is increasing and doubling

5038
03:59:20,720 --> 03:59:22,880
their nursing program. They're also

5039
03:59:22,880 --> 03:59:25,040
adding another business program. The

5040
03:59:25,040 --> 03:59:27,439
Osman's announced their new venue, which

5041
03:59:27,439 --> 03:59:30,880
I know is controversial, but we should

5042
03:59:30,880 --> 03:59:33,040
be prepared for what's going to happen.

5043
03:59:33,040 --> 03:59:34,880
We continue to hear claims that

5044
03:59:34,880 --> 03:59:37,199
short-term rentals impact housing, but

5045
03:59:37,199 --> 03:59:39,120
that is not true. There's no statistics

5046
03:59:39,120 --> 03:59:41,359
that they enter that they make a change

5047
03:59:41,359 --> 03:59:44,399
in that. And currently, there are 263

5048
03:59:44,399 --> 03:59:48,000
homes in Orum for sale and over between

5049
03:59:48,000 --> 03:59:51,840
16600 rentals that are available. And so

5050
03:59:51,840 --> 03:59:53,520
short-term rentals are not making an

5051
03:59:53,520 --> 03:59:56,080
impact on that. We have repeatedly heard

5052
03:59:56,080 --> 03:59:57,600
concerns about the sober living

5053
03:59:57,600 --> 04:00:00,000
organization and how that impacts, but

5054
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:02,239
they are governed by an entirely

5055
04:00:02,239 --> 04:00:04,640
different federal government guidelines

5056
04:00:04,640 --> 04:00:06,399
and we need to look at that and I have a

5057
04:00:06,399 --> 04:00:08,319
professional paper that I'll hand out to

5058
04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:10,399
you tonight. Additionally, for

5059
04:00:10,399 --> 04:00:13,120
individuals with special needs, those

5060
04:00:13,120 --> 04:00:15,760
kinds of homes are governed by the

5061
04:00:15,760 --> 04:00:17,760
federal government and individuals need

5062
04:00:17,760 --> 04:00:20,479
their own space. And so I hope that

5063
04:00:20,479 --> 04:00:24,319
you'll consider a bedroom count versus

5064
04:00:24,319 --> 04:00:27,920
something that's eight. Um,

5065
04:00:27,920 --> 04:00:29,840
uh, historically,

5066
04:00:29,840 --> 04:00:33,439
if we dictate how many, uh, days that

5067
04:00:33,439 --> 04:00:34,960
something can be open and a short-term

5068
04:00:34,960 --> 04:00:37,520
rental is only available on average

5069
04:00:37,520 --> 04:00:40,160
about 50% of the time. The street in

5070
04:00:40,160 --> 04:00:42,800
front of my home is a public street, and

5071
04:00:42,800 --> 04:00:44,319
I would hope that I have use of

5072
04:00:44,319 --> 04:00:47,439
something that I pay taxes on. Let us be

5073
04:00:47,439 --> 04:00:49,279
forward thinking. Let us plan for the

5074
04:00:49,279 --> 04:00:51,439
future growth of ORM. Let us consider

5075
04:00:51,439 --> 04:00:53,680
the revenue that is brought in. I

5076
04:00:53,680 --> 04:00:56,239
personally employ a crew of 10 people

5077
04:00:56,239 --> 04:00:58,720
that are dependent upon what I do and

5078
04:00:58,720 --> 04:01:01,120
how I manage. I respectfully ask the

5079
04:01:01,120 --> 04:01:02,880
council to create a fair, balanced, and

5080
04:01:02,880 --> 04:01:05,040
datadriven policy that preserves

5081
04:01:05,040 --> 04:01:08,880
neighborhoods without having um the way

5082
04:01:08,880 --> 04:01:11,040
we support public businesses. Thank you

5083
04:01:11,040 --> 04:01:12,560
very much for your time.

5084
04:01:12,560 --> 04:01:14,640
>> Thank you. And if you just like to drop,

5085
04:01:14,640 --> 04:01:17,040
leave that with Melissa here. um she'll

5086
04:01:17,040 --> 04:01:20,000
make sure that we get those. All right,

5087
04:01:20,000 --> 04:01:23,040
John Brooks. And then after Mr. Brooks,

5088
04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:25,680
um Jerry Duckworth. So, welcome.

5089
04:01:25,680 --> 04:01:27,600
>> Yeah, thank you for your service. I am a

5090
04:01:27,600 --> 04:01:31,279
neighbor of a uh rental property and one

5091
04:01:31,279 --> 04:01:34,319
of the largest in the city of Oram. And

5092
04:01:34,319 --> 04:01:36,000
I'm just here just to say that I I don't

5093
04:01:36,000 --> 04:01:37,520
ever see any issues. I never see any

5094
04:01:37,520 --> 04:01:39,279
noise or anything like that. It's a

5095
04:01:39,279 --> 04:01:43,279
great place to to have family city USA

5096
04:01:43,279 --> 04:01:45,279
come back and have a large enough place

5097
04:01:45,279 --> 04:01:47,680
for families to actually visit and be a

5098
04:01:47,680 --> 04:01:50,080
part of. And I don't see any issues with

5099
04:01:50,080 --> 04:01:52,560
it. And I'm just here to say that I also

5100
04:01:52,560 --> 04:01:54,479
see that on the same street I do see

5101
04:01:54,479 --> 04:01:59,199
issues with the um health hospital and

5102
04:01:59,199 --> 04:02:02,000
also uh Cir Lodge that have a tendency

5103
04:02:02,000 --> 04:02:04,399
to walk down the street on Palisad. that

5104
04:02:04,399 --> 04:02:06,479
has a bigger concern for me than having

5105
04:02:06,479 --> 04:02:08,560
zero cars in the street on a home that

5106
04:02:08,560 --> 04:02:10,239
has a beautiful home that all it does is

5107
04:02:10,239 --> 04:02:12,319
just bring people to ORM and and be able

5108
04:02:12,319 --> 04:02:14,479
to see our city and so I just say that

5109
04:02:14,479 --> 04:02:15,920
and thank you for your service.

5110
04:02:15,920 --> 04:02:18,479
>> Great. Thank you. Thanks for coming. All

5111
04:02:18,479 --> 04:02:21,120
right. Next we have Jerry Duckworth and

5112
04:02:21,120 --> 04:02:24,000
after Mr. Duckworth we have um Connie

5113
04:02:24,000 --> 04:02:30,550
Romney will be will be ready come up.

5114
04:02:30,560 --> 04:02:31,600
» Welcome.

5115
04:02:31,600 --> 04:02:33,120
>> Thank you.

5116
04:02:33,120 --> 04:02:36,960
Um, it's heartening to me as an American

5117
04:02:36,960 --> 04:02:41,600
to see you all function so well when uh

5118
04:02:41,600 --> 04:02:45,040
the times around the world are

5119
04:02:45,040 --> 04:02:46,720
challenging

5120
04:02:46,720 --> 04:02:49,680
and it's a blessing from our founding

5121
04:02:49,680 --> 04:02:51,359
fathers

5122
04:02:51,359 --> 04:02:56,640
that you do such a good job. Anyway, I

5123
04:02:56,640 --> 04:03:00,640
uh live in Provo, but I worked in ORM

5124
04:03:00,640 --> 04:03:05,359
for close to 20 years for a uh mortgage

5125
04:03:05,359 --> 04:03:08,800
company called American Lending Network.

5126
04:03:08,800 --> 04:03:12,479
Mike Riley and uh Stephanie Berard were

5127
04:03:12,479 --> 04:03:15,199
the owners and it was a pleasant

5128
04:03:15,199 --> 04:03:17,439
experience,

5129
04:03:17,439 --> 04:03:19,120
challenging,

5130
04:03:19,120 --> 04:03:21,600
but I'm here in behalf of friends who

5131
04:03:21,600 --> 04:03:24,720
live in Orum concerning short-term

5132
04:03:24,720 --> 04:03:26,239
rentals

5133
04:03:26,239 --> 04:03:29,590
and

5134
04:03:29,600 --> 04:03:34,880
I have uh known them for years

5135
04:03:34,880 --> 04:03:38,080
and often visited a large nearly 2acre

5136
04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:40,160
short-term from rental property as it is

5137
04:03:40,160 --> 04:03:43,520
an immediately next door to a friend I

5138
04:03:43,520 --> 04:03:46,479
often visit. I have occasionally been

5139
04:03:46,479 --> 04:03:49,359
invited over by guest along with my

5140
04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:52,880
friend uh to meet the guests that have

5141
04:03:52,880 --> 04:03:56,560
rented the the property for a week or

5142
04:03:56,560 --> 04:04:01,680
two. Uh a year and a half ago I met a

5143
04:04:01,680 --> 04:04:05,359
Jewish family of 30 to 40

5144
04:04:05,359 --> 04:04:08,880
um people

5145
04:04:08,880 --> 04:04:11,040
And I was so impressed with their

5146
04:04:11,040 --> 04:04:13,680
character and how they enjoyed being

5147
04:04:13,680 --> 04:04:16,239
here commenting on the mountains, the

5148
04:04:16,239 --> 04:04:19,439
streams. The people are so nice.

5149
04:04:19,439 --> 04:04:25,680
And um my friend had known BB Netanyahu

5150
04:04:25,680 --> 04:04:30,880
and his brother who was killed in the

5151
04:04:30,880 --> 04:04:34,319
German Olympics years ago. And so there

5152
04:04:34,319 --> 04:04:38,000
was a a appreciation from our Jewish

5153
04:04:38,000 --> 04:04:41,199
friends for his service

5154
04:04:41,199 --> 04:04:44,000
uh in security

5155
04:04:44,000 --> 04:04:46,399
uh for the games.

5156
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:48,479
Uh they live on site. They don't let

5157
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:51,120
noise become an issue. For years, the

5158
04:04:51,120 --> 04:04:53,920
city has approved short-term rentals

5159
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:56,640
recognizing the value of our local

5160
04:04:56,640 --> 04:04:59,359
economy and our neighborhoods. These

5161
04:04:59,359 --> 04:05:02,560
homes are more than just places to stay.

5162
04:05:02,560 --> 04:05:05,120
They are where friends and family come

5163
04:05:05,120 --> 04:05:07,600
together, share meals, celebrate

5164
04:05:07,600 --> 04:05:10,560
milestones, create memories that last a

5165
04:05:10,560 --> 04:05:12,160
lifetime.

5166
04:05:12,160 --> 04:05:14,640
Short-term rentals allow visitors to

5167
04:05:14,640 --> 04:05:17,680
experience our city in a personal

5168
04:05:17,680 --> 04:05:20,080
authentic way, supporting shops,

5169
04:05:20,080 --> 04:05:22,960
restaurants, attractions. They foster

5170
04:05:22,960 --> 04:05:26,319
cultural exchange. They help homeowners

5171
04:05:26,319 --> 04:05:29,680
afford their homes in ORM by sharing

5172
04:05:29,680 --> 04:05:32,239
responsibility with visitors from both

5173
04:05:32,239 --> 04:05:36,560
near and far away. I believe we can

5174
04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:39,359
continue to uphold safety

5175
04:05:39,359 --> 04:05:42,640
and neighborhood standards by preserving

5176
04:05:42,640 --> 04:05:46,239
the benefit of short-term rentals. Let's

5177
04:05:46,239 --> 04:05:48,880
keep this tradition alive for our

5178
04:05:48,880 --> 04:05:52,080
residents, our visitors, and the future

5179
04:05:52,080 --> 04:05:54,319
of our economy.

5180
04:05:54,319 --> 04:05:58,080
Um 21 seconds. Okay.

5181
04:05:58,080 --> 04:06:02,239
If you look at the uh the world

5182
04:06:02,239 --> 04:06:07,840
conditions, imagine if you own a uh

5183
04:06:07,840 --> 04:06:10,560
a short-term rental and all your income

5184
04:06:10,560 --> 04:06:13,120
comes from that.

5185
04:06:13,120 --> 04:06:19,120
And if our economy which is really

5186
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:22,000
uh our deficit national deficit what

5187
04:06:22,000 --> 04:06:25,520
would happen you know to people who who

5188
04:06:25,520 --> 04:06:28,160
get threatened by reduction in social

5189
04:06:28,160 --> 04:06:31,279
security or their income's gone you know

5190
04:06:31,279 --> 04:06:33,199
we have to take that into account and

5191
04:06:33,199 --> 04:06:35,680
particularly if they followed the

5192
04:06:35,680 --> 04:06:37,199
guidelines

5193
04:06:37,199 --> 04:06:40,720
the city had approved prior. Please take

5194
04:06:40,720 --> 04:06:46,560
that into account and um I uh thank you

5195
04:06:46,560 --> 04:06:48,080
for the opportunity.

5196
04:06:48,080 --> 04:06:50,080
>> Thank you.

5197
04:06:50,080 --> 04:06:54,239
>> All right. Next uh we have Connie Romney

5198
04:06:54,239 --> 04:06:57,040
and after Ms. Romney we have Gavin Gavin

5199
04:06:57,040 --> 04:06:58,560
Neb.

5200
04:06:58,560 --> 04:06:59,520
Welcome.

5201
04:06:59,520 --> 04:07:03,920
>> Hi. Good. Good evening. Um I'm a coming

5202
04:07:03,920 --> 04:07:08,479
as a different aspect of it. Um,

5203
04:07:08,479 --> 04:07:15,279
I I'm I clean the places and I wanted to

5204
04:07:15,279 --> 04:07:19,040
talk to you tonight because um it has

5205
04:07:19,040 --> 04:07:22,000
made a real big difference in our life.

5206
04:07:22,000 --> 04:07:27,120
It's a second job for me. Um it's has

5207
04:07:27,120 --> 04:07:29,680
made a big difference for our family.

5208
04:07:29,680 --> 04:07:31,920
It's helped us to handle the high cost

5209
04:07:31,920 --> 04:07:36,640
of things. My husband, he retired really

5210
04:07:36,640 --> 04:07:40,080
early and so it's helped us, our family,

5211
04:07:40,080 --> 04:07:44,000
to get control of our finances.

5212
04:07:44,000 --> 04:07:47,840
For me, it's um it's not about

5213
04:07:47,840 --> 04:07:50,640
corporations or

5214
04:07:50,640 --> 04:07:54,239
that it's about families and um being

5215
04:07:54,239 --> 04:07:59,279
able to handle the costs of things. Um

5216
04:07:59,279 --> 04:08:03,279
the it isn't um

5217
04:08:03,279 --> 04:08:06,880
the places like the clean the homes

5218
04:08:06,880 --> 04:08:10,160
um they've been

5219
04:08:10,160 --> 04:08:14,640
I'm sorry I lost my train. We um

5220
04:08:14,640 --> 04:08:17,760
many of the the guests are visiting

5221
04:08:17,760 --> 04:08:22,479
families from here. they're um during

5222
04:08:22,479 --> 04:08:25,520
their stay they're they're you know

5223
04:08:25,520 --> 04:08:29,120
going out to the local restaurants and

5224
04:08:29,120 --> 04:08:31,439
stuff and I understand we should have

5225
04:08:31,439 --> 04:08:34,560
rules and stuff but we also should

5226
04:08:34,560 --> 04:08:39,120
support these people um the like the one

5227
04:08:39,120 --> 04:08:43,199
that I cleaned here it's beautiful the

5228
04:08:43,199 --> 04:08:45,520
yard is beautiful everything's beautiful

5229
04:08:45,520 --> 04:08:47,840
around it but the house next door that

5230
04:08:47,840 --> 04:08:50,239
someone lives in It looks like it's

5231
04:08:50,239 --> 04:08:52,239
falling down.

5232
04:08:52,239 --> 04:08:53,840
Um

5233
04:08:53,840 --> 04:08:56,160
for some of the

5234
04:08:56,160 --> 04:09:00,560
um it and it for us it's stability in

5235
04:09:00,560 --> 04:09:04,720
our home. Um and it's been quite an

5236
04:09:04,720 --> 04:09:07,359
asset to us and I just wanted you to

5237
04:09:07,359 --> 04:09:09,520
know from that aspect what it has done

5238
04:09:09,520 --> 04:09:11,760
for us. It's made a big difference in

5239
04:09:11,760 --> 04:09:15,600
our lives. um we wouldn't be we wouldn't

5240
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:18,080
be able to make it without the income

5241
04:09:18,080 --> 04:09:20,640
that it's made for us. So that's just a

5242
04:09:20,640 --> 04:09:22,960
different aspect for us.

5243
04:09:22,960 --> 04:09:24,479
>> Appreciate your thoughts listening for

5244
04:09:24,479 --> 04:09:25,199
us.

5245
04:09:25,199 --> 04:09:28,080
>> Thank you.

5246
04:09:28,080 --> 04:09:30,880
>> Okay, Gavin Nebucher. And after Mr.

5247
04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:34,560
Nebbecker, we have Ingred Pen Penor. Did

5248
04:09:34,560 --> 04:09:37,199
I Did I even get close? Okay, she's

5249
04:09:37,199 --> 04:09:39,199
nodding. I'm feeling better about that.

5250
04:09:39,199 --> 04:09:40,479
Okay, welcome.

5251
04:09:40,479 --> 04:09:41,920
>> Well, thank you. Thank you, mayor, and

5252
04:09:41,920 --> 04:09:45,040
thank you, city council members. Um, I

5253
04:09:45,040 --> 04:09:46,960
mean, the the first lady that uh came

5254
04:09:46,960 --> 04:09:48,640
and spoke, I just wanted to basically

5255
04:09:48,640 --> 04:09:50,880
say, "Amen." That's very similar to my

5256
04:09:50,880 --> 04:09:53,840
story here. So, but my wife and I, we

5257
04:09:53,840 --> 04:09:55,920
moved here to Orum probably about 3

5258
04:09:55,920 --> 04:09:59,359
years ago um with our family and we've

5259
04:09:59,359 --> 04:10:00,960
spent a lot of time getting to know our

5260
04:10:00,960 --> 04:10:02,479
neighbors and our community, our church

5261
04:10:02,479 --> 04:10:04,160
community, and it's been such a

5262
04:10:04,160 --> 04:10:06,880
blessing. We're very grateful for it. Um

5263
04:10:06,880 --> 04:10:09,520
after getting to know our neighbors and

5264
04:10:09,520 --> 04:10:12,160
our community, um we've learned that

5265
04:10:12,160 --> 04:10:13,760
some of them had been operating an

5266
04:10:13,760 --> 04:10:16,640
Airbnb and we actually had never known

5267
04:10:16,640 --> 04:10:19,279
that um as there hadn't been any

5268
04:10:19,279 --> 04:10:22,560
disturbances from their guests and um

5269
04:10:22,560 --> 04:10:24,399
they had been great, you know, owner

5270
04:10:24,399 --> 04:10:26,080
operators.

5271
04:10:26,080 --> 04:10:28,560
They've continued to uh contribute

5272
04:10:28,560 --> 04:10:31,279
greatly to our community. Um, and

5273
04:10:31,279 --> 04:10:33,600
there's, you know, again, been nothing

5274
04:10:33,600 --> 04:10:36,000
that has been done to disrupt our family

5275
04:10:36,000 --> 04:10:37,359
and all the things that we've been

5276
04:10:37,359 --> 04:10:39,359
looking for in owning a home and living

5277
04:10:39,359 --> 04:10:41,359
here in ORM.

5278
04:10:41,359 --> 04:10:43,600
Um, in fact, you know, I'm very grateful

5279
04:10:43,600 --> 04:10:46,720
for them because as as we've had my

5280
04:10:46,720 --> 04:10:48,399
wife's family and other family members

5281
04:10:48,399 --> 04:10:50,640
come to visit, um, they've been able to

5282
04:10:50,640 --> 04:10:53,120
stay close by and not have to, you know,

5283
04:10:53,120 --> 04:10:55,439
be in a hotel. And so, we've been able

5284
04:10:55,439 --> 04:10:58,399
to spend more time with them. Also, my

5285
04:10:58,399 --> 04:11:00,239
wife and I, we I mean, our family, we

5286
04:11:00,239 --> 04:11:03,359
have um a child who has some special

5287
04:11:03,359 --> 04:11:06,000
needs, and so it's hard harder for us to

5288
04:11:06,000 --> 04:11:07,920
be able to get out. And so, on our

5289
04:11:07,920 --> 04:11:10,720
anniversary, we were able to uh stay at

5290
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:12,560
another Airbnb that was just a couple

5291
04:11:12,560 --> 04:11:14,319
blocks away, so we were still close for

5292
04:11:14,319 --> 04:11:16,160
any medical concerns, you know, from our

5293
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:18,560
babysitters or whatnot. And so, it was

5294
04:11:18,560 --> 04:11:20,479
great for us to be able to still have

5295
04:11:20,479 --> 04:11:22,160
that experience to go stay in another

5296
04:11:22,160 --> 04:11:26,319
home that isn't just ours. Um, and so

5297
04:11:26,319 --> 04:11:28,880
what I've learned, um, as I've learned

5298
04:11:28,880 --> 04:11:31,359
more about the coming restrictions, um,

5299
04:11:31,359 --> 04:11:32,960
from our neighbors and other hosts, I

5300
04:11:32,960 --> 04:11:34,800
have felt bad for the great services

5301
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:37,040
that they've been providing, um, which

5302
04:11:37,040 --> 04:11:39,920
benefit the community and could be

5303
04:11:39,920 --> 04:11:41,920
jeopardized and cause some of them to

5304
04:11:41,920 --> 04:11:44,319
potentially move. Now, I understand that

5305
04:11:44,319 --> 04:11:46,319
there have been some, you know, bad

5306
04:11:46,319 --> 04:11:48,880
apples. Um, but I do fear that there

5307
04:11:48,880 --> 04:11:50,560
will be an overcompensation in the

5308
04:11:50,560 --> 04:11:53,359
effort to correct those, which in turn

5309
04:11:53,359 --> 04:11:55,680
will help, which in turn will hurt all

5310
04:11:55,680 --> 04:11:58,479
the other short-term rental owners and

5311
04:11:58,479 --> 04:12:00,000
even their neighbors and friends or

5312
04:12:00,000 --> 04:12:01,520
people like me who've been able to

5313
04:12:01,520 --> 04:12:04,239
benefit from those. So, again, thank you

5314
04:12:04,239 --> 04:12:05,279
for your time.

5315
04:12:05,279 --> 04:12:09,840
>> All right. Thank you. Appreciate your thoughts. All right.

5316
04:12:09,840 --> 04:12:12,399
to Ingred. And then after Ingred, we

5317
04:12:12,399 --> 04:12:17,120
have is it Ros Roachio? Rosio Lozano.

5318
04:12:17,120 --> 04:12:18,160
>> She leaves.

5319
04:12:18,160 --> 04:12:18,560
>> Oh,

5320
04:12:18,560 --> 04:12:19,359
>> she had to leave.

5321
04:12:19,359 --> 04:12:20,800
>> Oh, she had to leave. Okay. So, I'll

5322
04:12:20,800 --> 04:12:24,640
cross her off. Okay. Welcome.

5323
04:12:24,640 --> 04:12:27,840
>> Thank you. I do not speak very well

5324
04:12:27,840 --> 04:12:30,080
English because my first language is

5325
04:12:30,080 --> 04:12:33,520
Spanol, Spanish. So, she going to help

5326
04:12:33,520 --> 04:12:34,319
me. Okay.

5327
04:12:34,319 --> 04:12:36,160
>> Translate. Okay.

5328
04:12:36,160 --> 04:12:43,750
>> Um

5329
04:12:43,760 --> 04:12:48,479
She's lived in Orum since 200.

5330
04:12:48,479 --> 04:12:50,880
>> Oh, can I interrupt? Let's give them

5331
04:12:50,880 --> 04:12:52,560
just a little bit longer time because

5332
04:12:52,560 --> 04:12:55,359
we've got a interpreter.

5333
04:12:55,359 --> 04:12:59,760
>> So, we'll keep the clock running, but that let Yeah. Thank you. But still

5334
04:12:59,760 --> 04:13:13,830
a little bit more time.

5335
04:13:13,840 --> 04:13:16,239
She has a down syndrome son and so for

5336
04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:17,600
her to go out and work it makes it

5337
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:30,950
really hard.

5338
04:13:30,960 --> 04:13:32,399
They thought it would be thoughtful to

5339
04:13:32,399 --> 04:13:33,840
take a place and make it beautiful so

5340
04:13:33,840 --> 04:13:35,359
that they could give service to their

5341
04:13:35,359 --> 04:13:52,630
community in this way.

5342
04:13:52,640 --> 04:13:54,080
They've had people visit such as

5343
04:13:54,080 --> 04:13:57,520
families. people come to the the MTC um

5344
04:13:57,520 --> 04:14:06,630
to serve missions.

5345
04:14:06,640 --> 04:14:08,080
» She's just grateful that she can have

5346
04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:10,159
people and provide that that help to

5347
04:14:10,159 --> 04:14:11,600
those who come to visit in the college

5348
04:14:11,600 --> 04:14:17,110
and whatnot.

5349
04:14:17,120 --> 04:14:19,359
» So that she can be home and take care of

5350
04:14:19,359 --> 04:14:20,640
her child.

5351
04:14:20,640 --> 04:14:21,760
>> Thank you so much.

5352
04:14:21,760 --> 04:14:24,319
>> Gracias. Thank you.

5353
04:14:24,319 --> 04:14:31,910
All right. Next up is Brendan BBE.

5354
04:14:31,920 --> 04:14:36,309
Welcome.

5355
04:14:36,319 --> 04:14:39,120
Thanks guys for having me. Um I do a

5356
04:14:39,120 --> 04:14:42,720
Substack where I comment and listen to

5357
04:14:42,720 --> 04:14:45,120
every city council meeting and I follow

5358
04:14:45,120 --> 04:14:46,720
this discussion for probably two years

5359
04:14:46,720 --> 04:14:48,640
now. I think you guys have been talking

5360
04:14:48,640 --> 04:14:51,840
about it. Um, and I like to try to bring

5361
04:14:51,840 --> 04:14:54,239
data and details to it that maybe the

5362
04:14:54,239 --> 04:14:56,080
city council doesn't have. And I know

5363
04:14:56,080 --> 04:14:57,600
recently, I think I emailed most of you

5364
04:14:57,600 --> 04:14:59,359
guys, but it was talking about how many

5365
04:14:59,359 --> 04:15:01,279
Airbnbs are in Orum. And I think there's

5366
04:15:01,279 --> 04:15:04,880
currently 89 Airbnbs that are whole

5367
04:15:04,880 --> 04:15:07,040
homes that you guys are trying to create

5368
04:15:07,040 --> 04:15:09,120
rules around. It's just 89. And there's

5369
04:15:09,120 --> 04:15:12,239
200 total Airbnbs listed currently or in

5370
04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:14,479
the last 12 months. A lot of numbers get

5371
04:15:14,479 --> 04:15:16,159
thrown out there. I think there's a

5372
04:15:16,159 --> 04:15:18,080
recent like newspaper article around

5373
04:15:18,080 --> 04:15:21,520
like 5 to 600. Um, but in my substack, I

5374
04:15:21,520 --> 04:15:22,800
list out the sources and how you can

5375
04:15:22,800 --> 04:15:24,960
actually go just validate that yourself.

5376
04:15:24,960 --> 04:15:26,720
Um, and so I'd invite you guys to do

5377
04:15:26,720 --> 04:15:29,120
that. And what I'm also trying to do is

5378
04:15:29,120 --> 04:15:31,199
I put in a grammar request for every

5379
04:15:31,199 --> 04:15:34,080
neighborhood improvement complaint made

5380
04:15:34,080 --> 04:15:36,800
since 2024 out of just my own pocket.

5381
04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:38,960
But I plan on bringing that data to you

5382
04:15:38,960 --> 04:15:41,120
guys in a detailed analysis of like what

5383
04:15:41,120 --> 04:15:42,800
are we talking about? cuz what I've

5384
04:15:42,800 --> 04:15:44,880
noticed is that it's the same six to

5385
04:15:44,880 --> 04:15:46,960
seven homes that come up in every single

5386
04:15:46,960 --> 04:15:48,960
city council meeting and the rules we're

5387
04:15:48,960 --> 04:15:50,000
putting out there and the rules you guys

5388
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:51,920
are creating. I want to make sure that's

5389
04:15:51,920 --> 04:15:53,600
not around the anecdotes and the

5390
04:15:53,600 --> 04:15:54,880
feelings that we have around these six

5391
04:15:54,880 --> 04:15:56,640
properties and it's about what's

5392
04:15:56,640 --> 04:15:58,800
actually happening in ORM. So, thanks

5393
04:15:58,800 --> 04:16:00,239
for having me.

5394
04:16:00,239 --> 04:16:02,560
>> All right. Thank you. Next, we have

5395
04:16:02,560 --> 04:16:06,239
Aaron Kirkham and then after Aaron we

5396
04:16:06,239 --> 04:16:12,469
have Allora Harren.

5397
04:16:12,479 --> 04:16:14,239
Hello, council. My name is Aaron. Um,

5398
04:16:14,239 --> 04:16:16,399
I'm a resident of Sandy. Um, I'm here on

5399
04:16:16,399 --> 04:16:18,239
behalf of two of our clients. We manage

5400
04:16:18,239 --> 04:16:20,159
vacation homes. Our company's called

5401
04:16:20,159 --> 04:16:22,399
Konigo Vacation Rentals. Uh, we manage

5402
04:16:22,399 --> 04:16:25,120
homes in Idaho and in Utah. I'm a member

5403
04:16:25,120 --> 04:16:27,359
of the Idaho Vacation Rental

5404
04:16:27,359 --> 04:16:29,520
Association. And what I wanted to talk

5405
04:16:29,520 --> 04:16:31,279
about tonight was in regards to the

5406
04:16:31,279 --> 04:16:33,520
occupancy limits of 8 and potentially

5407
04:16:33,520 --> 04:16:36,479
the 5 days specific as it relates to

5408
04:16:36,479 --> 04:16:39,279
McCall Idaho. McCall Idaho had an

5409
04:16:39,279 --> 04:16:41,840
occupancy limit of four people per

5410
04:16:41,840 --> 04:16:44,399
bedroom. They changed it to two people

5411
04:16:44,399 --> 04:16:46,960
per bedroom, were sued by five different

5412
04:16:46,960 --> 04:16:49,199
individuals and lost to those five

5413
04:16:49,199 --> 04:16:51,439
individuals. That also then helps

5414
04:16:51,439 --> 04:16:54,720
stimulate House Bill 583, which recently

5415
04:16:54,720 --> 04:16:57,439
passed in 2026, which has removed all

5416
04:16:57,439 --> 04:16:59,760
regulation within the state of Idaho for

5417
04:16:59,760 --> 04:17:02,399
short-term rentals. and all residential

5418
04:17:02,399 --> 04:17:04,479
units need to be treated equally

5419
04:17:04,479 --> 04:17:06,720
underneath the protection of the law for

5420
04:17:06,720 --> 04:17:08,960
being a residential unit. Um that's

5421
04:17:08,960 --> 04:17:10,960
really my biggest fear um as it relates

5422
04:17:10,960 --> 04:17:13,040
not just to our clients but the the

5423
04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:15,439
whole argument of eight people as well

5424
04:17:15,439 --> 04:17:19,920
as 5 days of uh blocked out unavailable.

5425
04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:22,080
Really it it does appear that the city

5426
04:17:22,080 --> 04:17:24,239
wants us to host people for longer

5427
04:17:24,239 --> 04:17:25,920
because they're trying to remove

5428
04:17:25,920 --> 04:17:28,640
elements of short-term rentals. Thus

5429
04:17:28,640 --> 04:17:30,479
long-term makes more sense. And so if we

5430
04:17:30,479 --> 04:17:32,720
have a guest who stays long there, um,

5431
04:17:32,720 --> 04:17:34,640
actually within our own portfolio, we've

5432
04:17:34,640 --> 04:17:36,479
had a shift of about 50% of our

5433
04:17:36,479 --> 04:17:38,640
portfolio within the summer. So that's

5434
04:17:38,640 --> 04:17:41,840
30 to 40 homes from Salt Lake City down

5435
04:17:41,840 --> 04:17:44,640
to Provo shift to what is called

5436
04:17:44,640 --> 04:17:47,199
midterm, 30 days or longer. It's

5437
04:17:47,199 --> 04:17:48,800
traditionally contractors who are coming

5438
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:51,120
to the area, families, architects who

5439
04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:52,720
are building but need places for an

5440
04:17:52,720 --> 04:17:55,439
extended stay. putting in a five-day

5441
04:17:55,439 --> 04:17:57,760
limit would remove that opportunity for

5442
04:17:57,760 --> 04:18:00,560
those individuals. As well as from just

5443
04:18:00,560 --> 04:18:02,720
a a straight standpoint of only having

5444
04:18:02,720 --> 04:18:05,600
eight people just doesn't follow a

5445
04:18:05,600 --> 04:18:08,319
systematic approach of how to use the

5446
04:18:08,319 --> 04:18:10,479
home. We also have a place in Canab,

5447
04:18:10,479 --> 04:18:12,800
Utah. We follow Kain County's rules.

5448
04:18:12,800 --> 04:18:14,239
Today, I got my license for our

5449
04:18:14,239 --> 04:18:16,720
short-term rental. Uh we follow their

5450
04:18:16,720 --> 04:18:19,199
rules, which are two people per bedroom.

5451
04:18:19,199 --> 04:18:21,520
We have three buildings on one property.

5452
04:18:21,520 --> 04:18:23,680
And in there we have the capacity to

5453
04:18:23,680 --> 04:18:26,239
sleep 16. We're only allowed 10. So

5454
04:18:26,239 --> 04:18:28,640
that's what we do. Um it's still we've

5455
04:18:28,640 --> 04:18:30,640
found ways to make it profitable. And

5456
04:18:30,640 --> 04:18:32,960
that would be my request or my input is

5457
04:18:32,960 --> 04:18:34,239
that I think that the city would be

5458
04:18:34,239 --> 04:18:35,840
opening themselves up to potential

5459
04:18:35,840 --> 04:18:40,239
liability of adding more u restrictions

5460
04:18:40,239 --> 04:18:42,960
as it regards to people using their own

5461
04:18:42,960 --> 04:18:45,199
homes. Whereas anybody who has a

5462
04:18:45,199 --> 04:18:47,359
business license, they can be open 30

5463
04:18:47,359 --> 04:18:49,199
days. Yet, for some reason, if you have

5464
04:18:49,199 --> 04:18:50,960
a short-term rental, you can only be

5465
04:18:50,960 --> 04:18:53,680
open for 25 or only can have eight

5466
04:18:53,680 --> 04:18:55,680
people into your business. That's my

5467
04:18:55,680 --> 04:18:57,120
feedback that I want to give. Thank you,

5468
04:18:57,120 --> 04:18:57,760
council.

5469
04:18:57,760 --> 04:19:00,479
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

5470
04:19:00,479 --> 04:19:03,680
All right, Laura.

5471
04:19:03,680 --> 04:19:06,000
Okay. Okay.

5472
04:19:06,000 --> 04:19:08,080
Welcome.

5473
04:19:08,080 --> 04:19:10,159
Hi. Sorry, we had some confusion with

5474
04:19:10,159 --> 04:19:11,840
the people. So, Laura is actually Aubrey

5475
04:19:11,840 --> 04:19:13,600
who took my place, so I'm going to speak

5476
04:19:13,600 --> 04:19:15,600
for her. I'm Morgan Romney. Um, so

5477
04:19:15,600 --> 04:19:16,880
you've heard a lot from the Romney's

5478
04:19:16,880 --> 04:19:19,120
tonight. So, um, I appreciate that. I

5479
04:19:19,120 --> 04:19:20,640
know. I'm sorry. This is not how city

5480
04:19:20,640 --> 04:19:22,800
councils go, but I'm going to come up

5481
04:19:22,800 --> 04:19:25,680
and take my turn. So, um, I'm Nico's

5482
04:19:25,680 --> 04:19:27,359
wife, Morgan. Um, just some quick

5483
04:19:27,359 --> 04:19:29,279
background. I lived in, uh, ORM up until

5484
04:19:29,279 --> 04:19:30,800
we got married, and he made me move to

5485
04:19:30,800 --> 04:19:33,600
Salt Lake County, so I I apologize. Um,

5486
04:19:33,600 --> 04:19:35,760
but, um, I attended UVU. I have friends

5487
04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:38,000
and co-workers that live in Oram. Um,

5488
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:39,840
and the one thing that everyone can

5489
04:19:39,840 --> 04:19:41,760
agree on is that it is an amazing city.

5490
04:19:41,760 --> 04:19:43,920
My favorite festival is the, um, the

5491
04:19:43,920 --> 04:19:45,279
Ormfest they were just talking about

5492
04:19:45,279 --> 04:19:47,680
tonight. Um, also the ORM library is

5493
04:19:47,680 --> 04:19:50,000
amazing. I've worked in tourism industry

5494
04:19:50,000 --> 04:19:52,239
for almost my whole career. Um, and my

5495
04:19:52,239 --> 04:19:54,640
husband prides himself on helping locals

5496
04:19:54,640 --> 04:19:56,399
with homes that would otherwise they

5497
04:19:56,399 --> 04:19:57,920
would otherwise lose because of various

5498
04:19:57,920 --> 04:20:00,239
situations. His first home he bought was

5499
04:20:00,239 --> 04:20:02,319
actually in Orum which was the jumping

5500
04:20:02,319 --> 04:20:05,279
point to what we now live in. I think

5501
04:20:05,279 --> 04:20:06,960
that it's important to have places for

5502
04:20:06,960 --> 04:20:08,479
business people, families of citizens

5503
04:20:08,479 --> 04:20:11,359
and tourism tourists to come stay for

5504
04:20:11,359 --> 04:20:13,439
extended period and fall in love with

5505
04:20:13,439 --> 04:20:16,880
what I think we um all love about ORM.

5506
04:20:16,880 --> 04:20:18,960
Uh Nico has been able to hire local

5507
04:20:18,960 --> 04:20:20,560
cleaners, lawnmowers, plumbers, and

5508
04:20:20,560 --> 04:20:23,359
repairmen. I hear a lot about it um all

5509
04:20:23,359 --> 04:20:26,479
the time, right? Um we're also uh a

5510
04:20:26,479 --> 04:20:28,479
small business just trying to survive.

5511
04:20:28,479 --> 04:20:30,239
um if we say an absolute no, which I

5512
04:20:30,239 --> 04:20:33,359
know we're not, but um just the thought

5513
04:20:33,359 --> 04:20:36,880
behind the different rules um to these

5514
04:20:36,880 --> 04:20:40,239
short terms, many people may lose income

5515
04:20:40,239 --> 04:20:41,840
um in a very turbulent time in our

5516
04:20:41,840 --> 04:20:44,399
econom economic history. Thank you for

5517
04:20:44,399 --> 04:20:46,000
your time and considerations. Again, I'm

5518
04:20:46,000 --> 04:20:47,680
sorry for the the back and forth with

5519
04:20:47,680 --> 04:20:49,840
the presentations, but thank you.

5520
04:20:49,840 --> 04:20:52,239
>> All right. Thank you. And Nico, has she

5521
04:20:52,239 --> 04:20:56,479
forgiven you for having her leave or

5522
04:20:56,479 --> 04:20:58,560
Okay.

5523
04:20:58,560 --> 04:21:01,680
All right. Thank you. All right, council

5524
04:21:01,680 --> 04:21:04,479
and members of the of the audience, that

5525
04:21:04,479 --> 04:21:07,359
concludes our personal appearances.

5526
04:21:07,359 --> 04:21:09,040
Thank you for coming and being part of

5527
04:21:09,040 --> 04:21:10,720
the process here in our city. We really

5528
04:21:10,720 --> 04:21:13,120
appreciate hearing from you. Our next

5529
04:21:13,120 --> 04:21:16,000
item on our agenda is um our one consent

5530
04:21:16,000 --> 04:21:18,880
item. We have needed to update our city

5531
04:21:18,880 --> 04:21:22,640
council 2026 schedule and so I would

5532
04:21:22,640 --> 04:21:24,319
look for a motion to approve that

5533
04:21:24,319 --> 04:21:27,040
consent item.

5534
04:21:27,040 --> 04:21:27,760
So moved.

5535
04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:29,680
>> Thank you. Um, council member Kilpac, do

5536
04:21:29,680 --> 04:21:30,479
you have a second?

5537
04:21:30,479 --> 04:21:31,439
>> I'll second.

5538
04:21:31,439 --> 04:21:33,279
>> All right. Thank you, Miss U. Council

5539
04:21:33,279 --> 04:21:36,720
Member Mikum. All right. Al,

5540
04:21:36,720 --> 04:21:38,319
I'm going to vote I and we'll go this

5541
04:21:38,319 --> 04:21:38,800
way.

5542
04:21:38,800 --> 04:21:42,479
>> I

5543
04:21:42,479 --> 04:21:45,359
>> All right. Thank you. Motion carries. U

5544
04:21:45,359 --> 04:21:48,319
items for now items 10. Um, the

5545
04:21:48,319 --> 04:21:51,600
scheduled items. 10.1 is a presentation

5546
04:21:51,600 --> 04:21:54,479
of the ORM community development or CDBG

5547
04:21:54,479 --> 04:21:57,439
updated annual action plan and proposed

5548
04:21:57,439 --> 04:21:59,840
budget. And our presenters uh this

5549
04:21:59,840 --> 04:22:01,359
evening are Bradley Day, our community

5550
04:22:01,359 --> 04:22:03,760
and sustainability officer, and Jessica

5551
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:05,760
Dellora, Mountainland Association of

5552
04:22:05,760 --> 04:22:07,279
Governments. So, welcome.

5553
04:22:07,279 --> 04:22:08,880
>> Thank you.

5554
04:22:08,880 --> 04:22:11,040
>> Is that on? Okay. Thank you so much for

5555
04:22:11,040 --> 04:22:13,279
having us. As uh Mayor McKenna said, I'm

5556
04:22:13,279 --> 04:22:14,800
Jessica Dellora with Mountainland

5557
04:22:14,800 --> 04:22:17,120
Association of Governments. um work

5558
04:22:17,120 --> 04:22:19,199
closely with Bradley on the community

5559
04:22:19,199 --> 04:22:21,680
development block grant program. So, do

5560
04:22:21,680 --> 04:22:22,800
you have anything or would you like to

5561
04:22:22,800 --> 04:22:23,120
start?

5562
04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:26,560
>> Okay. Um so, tonight we were originally

5563
04:22:26,560 --> 04:22:28,960
planning to um have the council vote on

5564
04:22:28,960 --> 04:22:31,760
a resolution to approve the draft annual

5565
04:22:31,760 --> 04:22:33,840
action plan that we submit to HUD every

5566
04:22:33,840 --> 04:22:36,000
year. Um but we didn't need to make a

5567
04:22:36,000 --> 04:22:38,319
change to the plan and um push that

5568
04:22:38,319 --> 04:22:39,520
timeline back a little bit. So, I'm

5569
04:22:39,520 --> 04:22:41,520
going to talk to you about that. If I

5570
04:22:41,520 --> 04:22:43,840
get too into the CDBG speak and don't

5571
04:22:43,840 --> 04:22:45,359
make any sense, please feel free to

5572
04:22:45,359 --> 04:22:48,640
interrupt me. so I can uh try again.

5573
04:22:48,640 --> 04:22:50,479
Okay.

5574
04:22:50,479 --> 04:22:53,439
Um so there are two two um things that

5575
04:22:53,439 --> 04:22:54,880
we're trying to accomplish right now

5576
04:22:54,880 --> 04:22:56,800
with the CDBG program. One is submit

5577
04:22:56,800 --> 04:22:59,040
that annual action plan and the other is

5578
04:22:59,040 --> 04:23:02,239
to wrap up um the city's revolving loan

5579
04:23:02,239 --> 04:23:04,640
fund and reprogram those funds for other

5580
04:23:04,640 --> 04:23:06,479
uses. So I'll give you a little

5581
04:23:06,479 --> 04:23:08,000
background about the revolving loan

5582
04:23:08,000 --> 04:23:10,560
fund. Um the the program was started I

5583
04:23:10,560 --> 04:23:12,720
think several decades ago if I'm

5584
04:23:12,720 --> 04:23:15,840
correct. Um, okay. Several decades ago

5585
04:23:15,840 --> 04:23:18,399
to help small businesses through um

5586
04:23:18,399 --> 04:23:20,159
loans for working capital and those

5587
04:23:20,159 --> 04:23:22,479
kinds of things. Um, there have been

5588
04:23:22,479 --> 04:23:24,319
many successful businesses that I'm sure

5589
04:23:24,319 --> 04:23:26,000
you're aware of that got their start

5590
04:23:26,000 --> 04:23:28,399
with these funds. Um, but it has become

5591
04:23:28,399 --> 04:23:31,600
increasingly difficult for businesses

5592
04:23:31,600 --> 04:23:34,239
um to meet the federal requirements,

5593
04:23:34,239 --> 04:23:36,479
compliance and reporting requirements of

5594
04:23:36,479 --> 04:23:39,680
the CDBG funds for the smaller dollar

5595
04:23:39,680 --> 04:23:41,279
amount that they can get through the

5596
04:23:41,279 --> 04:23:44,239
program. um that costbenefit analys

5597
04:23:44,239 --> 04:23:46,720
analysis hasn't really worked out um in

5598
04:23:46,720 --> 04:23:52,080
the last few years. So um the um the

5599
04:23:52,080 --> 04:23:54,800
last loan was made in 2017, so it's not

5600
04:23:54,800 --> 04:23:58,000
been super active as you can tell. Um

5601
04:23:58,000 --> 04:24:00,159
and uh so that means that there are now

5602
04:24:00,159 --> 04:24:02,239
some unspent funds that were programmed

5603
04:24:02,239 --> 04:24:04,479
for the business loan for uh program

5604
04:24:04,479 --> 04:24:06,960
that haven't been used. So that's about

5605
04:24:06,960 --> 04:24:09,040
$350,000

5606
04:24:09,040 --> 04:24:11,040
um in that program and that has

5607
04:24:11,040 --> 04:24:13,120
triggered a different issue with HUD um

5608
04:24:13,120 --> 04:24:15,199
what they call the timeliness test. You

5609
04:24:15,199 --> 04:24:17,600
can't have more than 1.5 times your

5610
04:24:17,600 --> 04:24:20,800
annual allocation in your um CDBG bank

5611
04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:23,040
account. And so we're trying to address

5612
04:24:23,040 --> 04:24:25,840
the revolving loan fund um so that we

5613
04:24:25,840 --> 04:24:28,880
can get under that 1.5% as we pursue

5614
04:24:28,880 --> 04:24:31,279
other projects.

5615
04:24:31,279 --> 04:24:35,840
Um in 2021 um HUD came and did a routine

5616
04:24:35,840 --> 04:24:37,840
monitoring of the program. A couple of

5617
04:24:37,840 --> 04:24:40,479
businesses um did raise flags. They were

5618
04:24:40,479 --> 04:24:42,560
unsuccessful in their business or unable

5619
04:24:42,560 --> 04:24:45,520
to um provide the jobs required for the

5620
04:24:45,520 --> 04:24:48,319
CDBG funding. Um and so what that did

5621
04:24:48,319 --> 04:24:50,560
was trigger a finding that the city had

5622
04:24:50,560 --> 04:24:52,239
been working through and then when MAG

5623
04:24:52,239 --> 04:24:53,760
came on to administer, we've um

5624
04:24:53,760 --> 04:24:55,840
continued that work to help the city

5625
04:24:55,840 --> 04:24:57,920
reconcile the historic records from many

5626
04:24:57,920 --> 04:25:00,399
decades um and just make sure that we're

5627
04:25:00,399 --> 04:25:02,560
ready to close that program with the

5628
04:25:02,560 --> 04:25:05,760
CDBG program and HUD. Um so as I

5629
04:25:05,760 --> 04:25:06,960
mentioned, we've been working to do

5630
04:25:06,960 --> 04:25:09,920
that. That leaves us with $350,000

5631
04:25:09,920 --> 04:25:12,080
and we do have to include that amount in

5632
04:25:12,080 --> 04:25:14,800
the upcoming annual action plan. We just

5633
04:25:14,800 --> 04:25:16,319
found out from HUD in order to meet that

5634
04:25:16,319 --> 04:25:18,319
timeliness. We've got to program it into

5635
04:25:18,319 --> 04:25:20,800
the current action plan. Um that wasn't

5636
04:25:20,800 --> 04:25:23,040
originally in the budget for this year's

5637
04:25:23,040 --> 04:25:24,720
action plan because we were still

5638
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:26,800
working with HUD to resolve it. The

5639
04:25:26,800 --> 04:25:29,199
government shutdown and their um short

5640
04:25:29,199 --> 04:25:31,279
staffing put all of that work on hold

5641
04:25:31,279 --> 04:25:33,040
and so we've reinitiated that

5642
04:25:33,040 --> 04:25:35,040
conversation, but the timing has just

5643
04:25:35,040 --> 04:25:37,760
really not been great. So, um, what we

5644
04:25:37,760 --> 04:25:40,800
need to do is reprogram those funds, um,

5645
04:25:40,800 --> 04:25:43,840
in a placeholder project for this year's

5646
04:25:43,840 --> 04:25:45,439
action plan. What that means is that

5647
04:25:45,439 --> 04:25:47,600
we'll put a generic capital improvements

5648
04:25:47,600 --> 04:25:51,120
project into the plan. Um, we'll restart

5649
04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:53,520
the public comment period um, and then

5650
04:25:53,520 --> 04:25:55,680
come back to you next month to get a

5651
04:25:55,680 --> 04:25:58,000
resolution to approve that plan. We'll

5652
04:25:58,000 --> 04:26:00,960
then um work with the city and with the

5653
04:26:00,960 --> 04:26:03,439
citizen commission and take public input

5654
04:26:03,439 --> 04:26:05,279
on how to actually reprogram those

5655
04:26:05,279 --> 04:26:07,439
$350,000. So, we're putting a

5656
04:26:07,439 --> 04:26:08,800
placeholder in there to meet one

5657
04:26:08,800 --> 04:26:10,239
requirement so we can move forward on

5658
04:26:10,239 --> 04:26:12,000
another one. A little convoluted, but

5659
04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:13,920
that's how we're going to um address

5660
04:26:13,920 --> 04:26:15,680
that.

5661
04:26:15,680 --> 04:26:17,520
So, you can see this is the new um

5662
04:26:17,520 --> 04:26:19,600
expected funding. The annual allocation,

5663
04:26:19,600 --> 04:26:21,840
what we get regularly from HUD is that

5664
04:26:21,840 --> 04:26:23,760
563,000.

5665
04:26:23,760 --> 04:26:26,080
Um, and there's about $100,000 from past

5666
04:26:26,080 --> 04:26:28,080
year projects that came in under budget

5667
04:26:28,080 --> 04:26:30,800
or um, didn't proceed for some reason.

5668
04:26:30,800 --> 04:26:33,040
And then we do anticipate making a

5669
04:26:33,040 --> 04:26:35,279
little bit of cash there on the um,

5670
04:26:35,279 --> 04:26:38,000
single family rehab uh, loan program

5671
04:26:38,000 --> 04:26:39,760
that we incorporate. And then you'll see

5672
04:26:39,760 --> 04:26:42,960
that $350,000. So, we're looking at just

5673
04:26:42,960 --> 04:26:44,720
over a million dollars to program for

5674
04:26:44,720 --> 04:26:46,560
this year.

5675
04:26:46,560 --> 04:26:49,680
And this is the new um, allocations by

5676
04:26:49,680 --> 04:26:52,159
project type. So that 350 has gone into

5677
04:26:52,159 --> 04:26:53,680
that first line item, the public

5678
04:26:53,680 --> 04:26:55,680
facilities and infrastructure. Nothing

5679
04:26:55,680 --> 04:26:57,520
else has changed in the projects that

5680
04:26:57,520 --> 04:27:03,269
you saw presented um last month.

5681
04:27:03,279 --> 04:27:05,359
And so our next steps um we'll be

5682
04:27:05,359 --> 04:27:07,840
holding a public hearing at MAG and

5683
04:27:07,840 --> 04:27:09,680
online on June 11th. We would normally

5684
04:27:09,680 --> 04:27:11,520
try to do that in this setting, but

5685
04:27:11,520 --> 04:27:13,120
because of your schedule, we can't get

5686
04:27:13,120 --> 04:27:15,199
that done in time to submit the action

5687
04:27:15,199 --> 04:27:17,040
plan. So we will make that available to

5688
04:27:17,040 --> 04:27:20,319
citizens online and at our offices. um

5689
04:27:20,319 --> 04:27:23,600
from 5:15 to 6:00 p.m. on June 11th. Um

5690
04:27:23,600 --> 04:27:26,560
we have also opened a um comment period

5691
04:27:26,560 --> 04:27:28,080
for the public just started a few days

5692
04:27:28,080 --> 04:27:30,560
ago and will go through June 22nd. So

5693
04:27:30,560 --> 04:27:32,640
we'll be taking comment that whole time.

5694
04:27:32,640 --> 04:27:35,040
We have links to that um from the ORM

5695
04:27:35,040 --> 04:27:37,199
website to the ORM CDBG website that we

5696
04:27:37,199 --> 04:27:39,600
host. So we will take those comments. Um

5697
04:27:39,600 --> 04:27:41,199
and then we will come back to this

5698
04:27:41,199 --> 04:27:43,520
council to vote to approve that action

5699
04:27:43,520 --> 04:27:46,640
plan on June 23rd and submit that to

5700
04:27:46,640 --> 04:27:49,600
HUD. Um, and as I mentioned, we will

5701
04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:52,239
work with the city um and the citizen

5702
04:27:52,239 --> 04:27:54,319
commission to identify priority projects

5703
04:27:54,319 --> 04:27:56,319
once we get past this annual action plan

5704
04:27:56,319 --> 04:27:58,239
submission.

5705
04:27:58,239 --> 04:27:59,840
That's all I have.

5706
04:27:59,840 --> 04:28:00,319
>> Thank you.

5707
04:28:00,319 --> 04:28:01,040
>> Yeah.

5708
04:28:01,040 --> 04:28:08,880
>> Uh, I know that in our discussions that the um the hold up on the on the

5709
04:28:08,880 --> 04:28:14,319
350,000 is not our city's doing. It's you've been wanting to do something

5710
04:28:14,319 --> 04:28:16,319
get this, but it's been on the federal

5711
04:28:16,319 --> 04:28:18,159
>> Yep. federal government. And the reason

5712
04:28:18,159 --> 04:28:19,920
I just want to point out one of the as I

5713
04:28:19,920 --> 04:28:21,680
read this, the reason why this money

5714
04:28:21,680 --> 04:28:24,000
hasn't been used is because the dollar

5715
04:28:24,000 --> 04:28:27,359
amounts that are available council for

5716
04:28:27,359 --> 04:28:31,840
revolving loans do not justify the

5717
04:28:31,840 --> 04:28:34,159
amount of bureaucracy

5718
04:28:34,159 --> 04:28:37,439
>> needed to accept and use the loans. Is

5719
04:28:37,439 --> 04:28:38,960
that is that a fair statement?

5720
04:28:38,960 --> 04:28:40,080
>> Very fair statement. Yes.

5721
04:28:40,080 --> 04:28:45,520
>> Okay. So, I just want to make sure that it's it just wasn't worth it. So,

5722
04:28:45,520 --> 04:28:48,159
um, council, do you have any questions

5723
04:28:48,159 --> 04:28:50,880
for Jessica or Bradley? Okay, thank you.

5724
04:28:50,880 --> 04:28:52,000
Um, council member Miller.

5725
04:28:52,000 --> 04:28:53,760
>> Okay. And I talked to Jessica earlier.

5726
04:28:53,760 --> 04:28:58,479
Um, so just a few more comments. Um, I

5727
04:28:58,479 --> 04:29:00,800
really appreciate this 350,000 and I

5728
04:29:00,800 --> 04:29:04,159
appreciate your mentioning the um our

5729
04:29:04,159 --> 04:29:07,359
rehab loan program. Really hoping that

5730
04:29:07,359 --> 04:29:10,640
we can have some opportunity to further

5731
04:29:10,640 --> 04:29:13,040
invest in ORM through renewal through

5732
04:29:13,040 --> 04:29:14,479
that program. I think you've done some

5733
04:29:14,479 --> 04:29:17,279
great things. Um, one of the the and

5734
04:29:17,279 --> 04:29:19,840
having spoken with her, talked about

5735
04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:22,800
this is our plan. We are at the end of

5736
04:29:22,800 --> 04:29:25,279
this cycle. Your presentation here is at

5737
04:29:25,279 --> 04:29:26,560
the end just to make it clear to

5738
04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:30,399
everyone and we will be doing a new

5739
04:29:30,399 --> 04:29:32,159
cycle this fall. Yep.

5740
04:29:32,159 --> 04:29:34,000
>> With applications and everything. One

5741
04:29:34,000 --> 04:29:36,159
thing we did kind of chat about was

5742
04:29:36,159 --> 04:29:38,319
expanding the opportunities to other

5743
04:29:38,319 --> 04:29:40,159
nonprofits. As I've looked through the

5744
04:29:40,159 --> 04:29:42,880
plans, I was on CDBG for a few months my

5745
04:29:42,880 --> 04:29:44,560
first year on the council and then I got

5746
04:29:44,560 --> 04:29:46,720
shifted to another I think the Lake

5747
04:29:46,720 --> 04:29:48,080
Authority Commission or something. I

5748
04:29:48,080 --> 04:29:53,199
can't remember. But um um I I'm seeing

5749
04:29:53,199 --> 04:29:55,840
the same nonprofits

5750
04:29:55,840 --> 04:29:58,560
um that are receiving CDBG benefits. And

5751
04:29:58,560 --> 04:30:01,359
I looked on like I just did a search

5752
04:30:01,359 --> 04:30:06,159
today of um uh food pantry resources or

5753
04:30:06,159 --> 04:30:08,000
groups, you know, nonprofits for that.

5754
04:30:08,000 --> 04:30:10,399
And there were some great fun names like

5755
04:30:10,399 --> 04:30:13,920
Lasagna Love and Homestyle Direct Meals

5756
04:30:13,920 --> 04:30:15,680
and Mom's Meals, you know, things like

5757
04:30:15,680 --> 04:30:17,040
that. And I think one of the things that

5758
04:30:17,040 --> 04:30:20,800
we talked about was um p food pantries

5759
04:30:20,800 --> 04:30:23,840
are great, but as I've been involved in

5760
04:30:23,840 --> 04:30:27,120
some um efforts to help feed our

5761
04:30:27,120 --> 04:30:30,880
children, um I'm finding that it's the

5762
04:30:30,880 --> 04:30:32,720
same problem I have in my home. I go to

5763
04:30:32,720 --> 04:30:34,640
the grocery store, I buy things, and

5764
04:30:34,640 --> 04:30:36,319
they don't always make it in a meal to

5765
04:30:36,319 --> 04:30:38,880
the table cuz maybe I don't plan ahead

5766
04:30:38,880 --> 04:30:40,319
enough to put it all together at the

5767
04:30:40,319 --> 04:30:42,159
right time or whatever reason or maybe

5768
04:30:42,159 --> 04:30:44,720
there's an education aspect there. So, I

5769
04:30:44,720 --> 04:30:46,479
guess I'm just advocating for two

5770
04:30:46,479 --> 04:30:48,880
things. The first one is maybe in the

5771
04:30:48,880 --> 04:30:50,479
future when we start looking for new

5772
04:30:50,479 --> 04:30:55,359
projects, look for different ideas. Look for ways to maybe deliver a meal to

5773
04:30:55,359 --> 04:30:57,680
a family versus little parts of a meal

5774
04:30:57,680 --> 04:30:59,439
that they don't know what to do with and

5775
04:30:59,439 --> 04:31:01,359
then some education in cooking. I know

5776
04:31:01,359 --> 04:31:04,720
our my hometown is having classes on

5777
04:31:04,720 --> 04:31:08,319
meal prep to help families. We all think

5778
04:31:08,319 --> 04:31:10,159
we know how to do that, but there are a

5779
04:31:10,159 --> 04:31:11,520
lot of people who weren't raised in a

5780
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:14,800
family that had a meal on the table um

5781
04:31:14,800 --> 04:31:17,040
for them for their family unfortunately,

5782
04:31:17,040 --> 04:31:19,760
right? Um and I guess the last thing

5783
04:31:19,760 --> 04:31:22,159
would be the second thing is just that

5784
04:31:22,159 --> 04:31:25,120
point of uh you talk about the red tape

5785
04:31:25,120 --> 04:31:28,479
issues, mayor, help us help you. You

5786
04:31:28,479 --> 04:31:30,560
know, we were sitting in an event here

5787
04:31:30,560 --> 04:31:33,120
Saturday with Senator Curtis here in

5788
04:31:33,120 --> 04:31:36,560
ORM. I see Senator Lee often. I would

5789
04:31:36,560 --> 04:31:38,800
love to know what the needs are, how we

5790
04:31:38,800 --> 04:31:40,560
can cut the bureaucratic red tape or

5791
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:43,120
give suggestions to push up the pipeline

5792
04:31:43,120 --> 04:31:45,120
directly from you from the needs that

5793
04:31:45,120 --> 04:31:47,520
you have. And otherwise, you know,

5794
04:31:47,520 --> 04:31:48,800
there's going to be other people making

5795
04:31:48,800 --> 04:31:50,880
those suggestions. So, why not have it

5796
04:31:50,880 --> 04:31:52,560
be us, right? Why not you?

5797
04:31:52,560 --> 04:31:53,279
>> Yep.

5798
04:31:53,279 --> 04:31:54,880
>> So, anyway, I look forward to working

5799
04:31:54,880 --> 04:31:56,880
with you more in the future and having

5800
04:31:56,880 --> 04:31:59,680
that teamwork to try to fix some of

5801
04:31:59,680 --> 04:32:01,359
these things that bureaucracy just

5802
04:32:01,359 --> 04:32:03,120
shouldn't be involved in.

5803
04:32:03,120 --> 04:32:04,640
>> Yeah, absolutely. And if I may respond,

5804
04:32:04,640 --> 04:32:06,159
I appreciate those comments and I think

5805
04:32:06,159 --> 04:32:08,560
they point to um maybe a two-prong

5806
04:32:08,560 --> 04:32:10,479
approach we can take to make sure that

5807
04:32:10,479 --> 04:32:12,319
the applications we receive are meeting

5808
04:32:12,319 --> 04:32:14,960
the needs of the city and are being used

5809
04:32:14,960 --> 04:32:17,600
effectively. Um the first one at just

5810
04:32:17,600 --> 04:32:20,800
the local level is um building up

5811
04:32:20,800 --> 04:32:22,720
organizations that don't currently have

5812
04:32:22,720 --> 04:32:24,399
the capacity to meet all those

5813
04:32:24,399 --> 04:32:26,399
compliance requirements in the long

5814
04:32:26,399 --> 04:32:29,120
term. Um, I think working with our

5815
04:32:29,120 --> 04:32:31,040
elected officials at the federal level

5816
04:32:31,040 --> 04:32:33,199
to try and streamline some of that is a

5817
04:32:33,199 --> 04:32:35,680
good way to go, but in the short term,

5818
04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:37,600
building capacity of organizations to

5819
04:32:37,600 --> 04:32:39,439
meet those. Mayor McCandless, you know

5820
04:32:39,439 --> 04:32:42,479
how uh complicated it can be to meet all

5821
04:32:42,479 --> 04:32:44,159
the requirements and submit all the

5822
04:32:44,159 --> 04:32:45,840
reporting, have all the financial

5823
04:32:45,840 --> 04:32:47,920
management and um administrative

5824
04:32:47,920 --> 04:32:50,319
controls in place to comply with CDBG.

5825
04:32:50,319 --> 04:32:52,319
It's just it's not easy um for

5826
04:32:52,319 --> 04:32:54,239
organizations. So, I think one thing we

5827
04:32:54,239 --> 04:32:57,040
could do is um if we target

5828
04:32:57,040 --> 04:32:58,560
organizations that are doing the work

5829
04:32:58,560 --> 04:33:00,399
that the city thinks is important and

5830
04:33:00,399 --> 04:33:03,680
would like to see um doing some um

5831
04:33:03,680 --> 04:33:05,279
technical assistance to help them

5832
04:33:05,279 --> 04:33:08,000
prepare for receiving a grant or being

5833
04:33:08,000 --> 04:33:09,840
competitive to receive a grant. So, we

5834
04:33:09,840 --> 04:33:12,561
would um certainly love to hear any

5835
04:33:12,561 --> 04:33:14,160
organizations that you have your eye on

5836
04:33:14,160 --> 04:33:16,160
that might, you know, carry out the work

5837
04:33:16,160 --> 04:33:17,760
that we need that we could help build

5838
04:33:17,760 --> 04:33:19,680
that capacity so that when application

5839
04:33:19,680 --> 04:33:21,840
time comes, um we know that they can

5840
04:33:21,840 --> 04:33:23,279
carry it out. We don't want to set any

5841
04:33:23,279 --> 04:33:25,199
organization up for failure with a

5842
04:33:25,199 --> 04:33:27,600
federal grant that could end up in in

5843
04:33:27,600 --> 04:33:29,600
paybacks and non non-compliance. So

5844
04:33:29,600 --> 04:33:30,719
that's really important, I think, on our

5845
04:33:30,719 --> 04:33:32,080
level. Did you have

5846
04:33:32,080 --> 04:33:33,920
>> I just I was just going to mention Thank

5847
04:33:33,920 --> 04:33:35,760
you. That's that's the thing. As I was

5848
04:33:35,760 --> 04:33:37,039
thinking about these little groups, I

5849
04:33:37,039 --> 04:33:39,039
first thought it'd be interesting to

5850
04:33:39,039 --> 04:33:41,199
have a consortium of the of the groups

5851
04:33:41,199 --> 04:33:44,480
and have have one person be the do all

5852
04:33:44,480 --> 04:33:46,561
the compliance or like what when I was

5853
04:33:46,561 --> 04:33:48,240
at when I was um running community

5854
04:33:48,240 --> 04:33:49,760
action, what we would do is we would

5855
04:33:49,760 --> 04:33:51,279
work with little organizations who

5856
04:33:51,279 --> 04:33:53,439
didn't have the capacity for the

5857
04:33:53,439 --> 04:33:56,480
financial or the compliance capacity and

5858
04:33:56,480 --> 04:33:58,959
we subcontract with them. So they

5859
04:33:58,959 --> 04:34:00,400
actually were able to provide the

5860
04:34:00,400 --> 04:34:02,639
services that they had that they have,

5861
04:34:02,639 --> 04:34:05,039
but they didn't have to have all of that

5862
04:34:05,039 --> 04:34:06,400
expertise

5863
04:34:06,400 --> 04:34:09,279
>> on staff. Yep. And so that that's a good

5864
04:34:09,279 --> 04:34:10,799
point that there a lot of different

5865
04:34:10,799 --> 04:34:13,600
options out there because I I follow

5866
04:34:13,600 --> 04:34:16,480
Lasagna Love on there was one perman

5867
04:34:16,480 --> 04:34:17,920
because I follow them on social media

5868
04:34:17,920 --> 04:34:19,520
and they're wonderful wonderful

5869
04:34:19,520 --> 04:34:23,359
organization and I and I love lasagna

5870
04:34:23,359 --> 04:34:26,719
and so but and and then food security is

5871
04:34:26,719 --> 04:34:28,561
near and dear to my heart. But yeah, I

5872
04:34:28,561 --> 04:34:30,000
think that there are some options that

5873
04:34:30,000 --> 04:34:33,520
we have as as council members to let to

5874
04:34:33,520 --> 04:34:36,080
let Bradley know, let Jessica know that

5875
04:34:36,080 --> 04:34:38,080
how can we what's important to our

5876
04:34:38,080 --> 04:34:39,680
community and and let's see are there

5877
04:34:39,680 --> 04:34:41,439
partners out there who can help

5878
04:34:41,439 --> 04:34:42,959
facilitate that.

5879
04:34:42,959 --> 04:34:45,520
>> Yep. And I'll say um we maintain a

5880
04:34:45,520 --> 04:34:48,080
funding availability mailing list. Um

5881
04:34:48,080 --> 04:34:49,920
it's thousands of entries long at this

5882
04:34:49,920 --> 04:34:51,199
point. So we're always adding new

5883
04:34:51,199 --> 04:34:53,279
organizations as they come along or get

5884
04:34:53,279 --> 04:34:55,600
on our radar um or maybe do work that

5885
04:34:55,600 --> 04:34:58,080
fits with CDBG. Um, our website has a

5886
04:34:58,080 --> 04:34:59,439
link where any organization or

5887
04:34:59,439 --> 04:35:01,359
individual can get on that mailing list

5888
04:35:01,359 --> 04:35:03,199
or if we hear it from any of you, we'd

5889
04:35:03,199 --> 04:35:05,199
be happy to add people to it. So, that

5890
04:35:05,199 --> 04:35:07,520
can help us reach more organizations and

5891
04:35:07,520 --> 04:35:09,840
also um if you have one specifically

5892
04:35:09,840 --> 04:35:11,279
you're interested in, we can do that

5893
04:35:11,279 --> 04:35:13,520
targeted technical assistance to see if

5894
04:35:13,520 --> 04:35:16,160
they're a good fit for um funding for

5895
04:35:16,160 --> 04:35:18,561
that program. And can I just the lasagna

5896
04:35:18,561 --> 04:35:19,920
love? It looked to me like they just

5897
04:35:19,920 --> 04:35:21,760
deliver lasagna, right? They deliver

5898
04:35:21,760 --> 04:35:24,400
love lasagna. But why not? And I think

5899
04:35:24,400 --> 04:35:26,799
we maybe said this, deliver a recipe

5900
04:35:26,799 --> 04:35:28,719
with it. Deliver. This is how you can

5901
04:35:28,719 --> 04:35:30,160
make it in your home. This is what you

5902
04:35:30,160 --> 04:35:32,320
have to buy. Mom, you know, who's

5903
04:35:32,320 --> 04:35:34,320
overwhelmed already with looking for a

5904
04:35:34,320 --> 04:35:36,080
job or making ends meet. But anyway,

5905
04:35:36,080 --> 04:35:38,400
just I would love to see a little more

5906
04:35:38,400 --> 04:35:40,879
out of the box thinking on ways we can

5907
04:35:40,879 --> 04:35:42,400
and I really appreciate Mary you're

5908
04:35:42,400 --> 04:35:44,240
saying that of how to help these other

5909
04:35:44,240 --> 04:35:45,279
groups y

5910
04:35:45,279 --> 04:35:47,039
>> become more effective. Um and then I

5911
04:35:47,039 --> 04:35:49,279
think our other um maybe suggestion of

5912
04:35:49,279 --> 04:35:52,719
how we could accomplish um your goals um

5913
04:35:52,719 --> 04:35:54,799
once we identify projects that you're

5914
04:35:54,799 --> 04:35:56,799
interested in and find a partner that

5915
04:35:56,799 --> 04:36:00,320
has capacity to implement that is to um

5916
04:36:00,320 --> 04:36:02,959
we'd love to run a project you know

5917
04:36:02,959 --> 04:36:05,359
together and see is this feasible is it

5918
04:36:05,359 --> 04:36:06,959
eligible for CDBG what are all the

5919
04:36:06,959 --> 04:36:08,480
compliance requirements that come with

5920
04:36:08,480 --> 04:36:10,879
that particular type of activity um we

5921
04:36:10,879 --> 04:36:12,160
always want to do that as early as

5922
04:36:12,160 --> 04:36:15,119
possible so we don't spend a lot of time

5923
04:36:15,119 --> 04:36:17,039
building a project that ultimately is

5924
04:36:17,039 --> 04:36:19,199
just a bad fit for CDBG and they're just

5925
04:36:19,199 --> 04:36:21,439
are projects like that. Um, and I think

5926
04:36:21,439 --> 04:36:23,439
our experience has really helped us find

5927
04:36:23,439 --> 04:36:25,199
what those are. So, if you have an idea

5928
04:36:25,199 --> 04:36:26,959
you want to kick around, we'd love to do

5929
04:36:26,959 --> 04:36:28,400
that in the early stages and say, "Okay,

5930
04:36:28,400 --> 04:36:29,760
if you want to do this, here's the kind

5931
04:36:29,760 --> 04:36:32,160
of stuff. Here's the data we'll have to

5932
04:36:32,160 --> 04:36:34,160
um get from the from the organization

5933
04:36:34,160 --> 04:36:35,760
that they'll have to report on clients

5934
04:36:35,760 --> 04:36:37,359
and all those kinds of things." It helps

5935
04:36:37,359 --> 04:36:38,719
us really figure out what's feasible

5936
04:36:38,719 --> 04:36:40,080
early on in the stage. So, we would love

5937
04:36:40,080 --> 04:36:42,561
to do that. That process also helps us

5938
04:36:42,561 --> 04:36:44,400
identify where the red tape is. So we

5939
04:36:44,400 --> 04:36:46,480
can say this project would be great.

5940
04:36:46,480 --> 04:36:48,719
Here's the CDBG red tape that is holding

5941
04:36:48,719 --> 04:36:50,320
it back. And those might be the things

5942
04:36:50,320 --> 04:36:51,840
that we could take to our federal

5943
04:36:51,840 --> 04:36:54,000
elected officials and say this isn't

5944
04:36:54,000 --> 04:36:56,320
regulatory required, but it's been a HUD

5945
04:36:56,320 --> 04:36:58,160
mandate and and those kinds of things we

5946
04:36:58,160 --> 04:37:00,400
could maybe identify that way. Um and

5947
04:37:00,400 --> 04:37:02,480
then again finding the right partners

5948
04:37:02,480 --> 04:37:04,719
whose vision and mission aligns with

5949
04:37:04,719 --> 04:37:06,879
what the city needs and building those

5950
04:37:06,879 --> 04:37:08,879
projects as early as we can so that

5951
04:37:08,879 --> 04:37:10,480
they're ready. And sometimes that takes

5952
04:37:10,480 --> 04:37:12,719
more than one year or one cycle. and

5953
04:37:12,719 --> 04:37:14,240
maybe we'll start the conversation in

5954
04:37:14,240 --> 04:37:15,680
the next cycle, but they won't be ready

5955
04:37:15,680 --> 04:37:17,920
to apply or to implement a project um

5956
04:37:17,920 --> 04:37:20,240
until another year or two. So, those are

5957
04:37:20,240 --> 04:37:22,080
my recommendations. Of course, we really

5958
04:37:22,080 --> 04:37:24,160
need the city's help in identifying what

5959
04:37:24,160 --> 04:37:25,279
it is you're looking for and the

5960
04:37:25,279 --> 04:37:26,639
partners that would be a right fit, but

5961
04:37:26,639 --> 04:37:29,760
we'd love to um help ideulate on those

5962
04:37:29,760 --> 04:37:32,000
projects. That would be most beneficial.

5963
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:33,520
For sure.

5964
04:37:33,520 --> 04:37:33,840
>> Yeah.

5965
04:37:33,840 --> 04:37:36,959
>> All right. Any other comments, council?

5966
04:37:36,959 --> 04:37:38,719
>> All right. Thank you. Yep. Appreciate

5967
04:37:38,719 --> 04:37:38,959
it.

5968
04:37:38,959 --> 04:37:39,760
>> See you next month.

5969
04:37:39,760 --> 04:37:41,119
>> All right. We'll see you next month.

5970
04:37:41,119 --> 04:37:42,480
Thank you.

5971
04:37:42,480 --> 04:37:45,359
>> Right.

5972
04:37:45,359 --> 04:37:48,240
Another Oh, a very long sentence. Okay.

5973
04:37:48,240 --> 04:37:50,320
Public hearing. We have a public hearing

5974
04:37:50,320 --> 04:37:51,920
now. Ordinance amending articles

5975
04:37:51,920 --> 04:37:56,150
2-15-2-1511

5976
04:37:56,160 --> 04:37:58,480
2-16-2

5977
04:37:58,480 --> 04:38:00,320
and 22-21

5978
04:38:00,320 --> 04:38:02,480
of the Orm City Code relating to the

5979
04:38:02,480 --> 04:38:04,240
powers and duties of the planning

5980
04:38:04,240 --> 04:38:07,920
commission and special exceptions.

5981
04:38:07,920 --> 04:38:09,439
And it almost gave you enough time to

5982
04:38:09,439 --> 04:38:10,639
get up here and set up.

5983
04:38:10,639 --> 04:38:11,359
>> Almost.

5984
04:38:11,359 --> 04:38:12,639
>> Oh, I could could have done a little

5985
04:38:12,639 --> 04:38:14,160
more slowly, but I didn't.

5986
04:38:14,160 --> 04:38:16,080
>> Welcome. Um Jared Holler, planning

5987
04:38:16,080 --> 04:38:18,320
manager, will be presenting.

5988
04:38:18,320 --> 04:38:20,799
>> Thank you.

5989
04:38:20,799 --> 04:38:22,160
>> If he gets everything plugged in and

5990
04:38:22,160 --> 04:38:28,070
running, he'll be presenting.

5991
04:38:28,080 --> 04:38:30,080
» So, thanks. I um this is a text

5992
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:32,320
amendment that the um planning staff

5993
04:38:32,320 --> 04:38:34,719
brought forward. We u just to to put it

5994
04:38:34,719 --> 04:38:36,480
in a nutshell has a lot of different

5995
04:38:36,480 --> 04:38:39,119
articles and citations there you can

5996
04:38:39,119 --> 04:38:40,719
really break it down into two parts and

5997
04:38:40,719 --> 04:38:42,240
I want to background it first by saying

5998
04:38:42,240 --> 04:38:43,439
there are different things that the

5999
04:38:43,439 --> 04:38:44,719
planning commission does different

6000
04:38:44,719 --> 04:38:46,000
things that the board of adjustments

6001
04:38:46,000 --> 04:38:48,400
does among those things are special

6002
04:38:48,400 --> 04:38:49,760
exceptions these are already part of

6003
04:38:49,760 --> 04:38:51,600
code the board of adjustments usually

6004
04:38:51,600 --> 04:38:52,480
when people think of the board of

6005
04:38:52,480 --> 04:38:53,760
adjustments they think about variances

6006
04:38:53,760 --> 04:38:55,359
and that's still correct the board of

6007
04:38:55,359 --> 04:38:56,879
adjustments handles variances in their

6008
04:38:56,879 --> 04:38:58,639
powers and duties and they handle a

6009
04:38:58,639 --> 04:39:00,160
couple of different special exceptions

6010
04:39:00,160 --> 04:39:02,240
which don't have to meet the same uh

6011
04:39:02,240 --> 04:39:04,879
really stringent standards of special of

6012
04:39:04,879 --> 04:39:07,039
U variances. The planning commission

6013
04:39:07,039 --> 04:39:08,879
does uh land use recommendations to you

6014
04:39:08,879 --> 04:39:10,000
legislatively and does the

6015
04:39:10,000 --> 04:39:11,840
administrative duties that they have and

6016
04:39:11,840 --> 04:39:13,039
those powers and duties are all in

6017
04:39:13,039 --> 04:39:14,561
article 2 for both of those different

6018
04:39:14,561 --> 04:39:15,840
bodies. So that's why you see the

6019
04:39:15,840 --> 04:39:18,561
article 2 references. Article 221 is

6020
04:39:18,561 --> 04:39:20,160
part of our zoning code and it's a

6021
04:39:20,160 --> 04:39:22,639
specific special exception. Okay. So

6022
04:39:22,639 --> 04:39:23,680
what does this amendment that we're

6023
04:39:23,680 --> 04:39:26,160
proposing do? It changes the it makes a

6024
04:39:26,160 --> 04:39:27,520
couple of changes to powers and duties

6025
04:39:27,520 --> 04:39:28,480
as they relate to the board of

6026
04:39:28,480 --> 04:39:30,160
adjustments and the planning commission

6027
04:39:30,160 --> 04:39:32,719
in order to transfer to transfer the

6028
04:39:32,719 --> 04:39:34,799
review and um granting of special

6029
04:39:34,799 --> 04:39:36,799
exceptions from the board to the

6030
04:39:36,799 --> 04:39:39,280
planning commission instead. Um and

6031
04:39:39,280 --> 04:39:41,120
specifically there are two special

6032
04:39:41,120 --> 04:39:42,878
exceptions in our code. One is for

6033
04:39:42,878 --> 04:39:44,878
billboards um because the billboard

6034
04:39:44,878 --> 04:39:46,560
lobby has power to say we want to change

6035
04:39:46,560 --> 04:39:48,160
this billboard or relocate it because of

6036
04:39:48,160 --> 04:39:50,000
these circumstances and we grant a

6037
04:39:50,000 --> 04:39:51,840
special exception for a very couple of

6038
04:39:51,840 --> 04:39:53,760
very specific circumstances. The board

6039
04:39:53,760 --> 04:39:54,878
of adjustments has traditionally

6040
04:39:54,878 --> 04:39:57,680
reviewed those and said okay uh and

6041
04:39:57,680 --> 04:39:59,280
granted them if it meets the standards.

6042
04:39:59,280 --> 04:40:00,718
And then the second one is a finding of

6043
04:40:00,718 --> 04:40:02,320
an exception to allow multif family

6044
04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:05,040
development on single family parcels in

6045
04:40:05,040 --> 04:40:06,798
certain circumstances. There's a long

6046
04:40:06,798 --> 04:40:08,240
list of circumstances that you have to

6047
04:40:08,240 --> 04:40:10,160
make that finding for. Uh we're not

6048
04:40:10,160 --> 04:40:11,680
proposing any changes to those. That's

6049
04:40:11,680 --> 04:40:13,040
in addition to this. What does it not

6050
04:40:13,040 --> 04:40:16,240
do? It just transfers the burden of

6051
04:40:16,240 --> 04:40:18,798
reviewing those exceptions and the

6052
04:40:18,798 --> 04:40:20,480
eligibility for them and then granting

6053
04:40:20,480 --> 04:40:22,000
them to the planning commission instead

6054
04:40:22,000 --> 04:40:23,280
of the board of adjustments. Does that

6055
04:40:23,280 --> 04:40:24,560
make sense enough?

6056
04:40:24,560 --> 04:40:27,920
>> So, it's just who who reviews it. No,

6057
04:40:27,920 --> 04:40:29,440
we're not making any change proposing

6058
04:40:29,440 --> 04:40:31,120
any changes to any of the other

6059
04:40:31,120 --> 04:40:32,400
ordinances or anything.

6060
04:40:32,400 --> 04:40:33,280
>> That's exactly right.

6061
04:40:33,280 --> 04:40:35,200
>> Just who who it goes to for review.

6062
04:40:35,200 --> 04:40:35,440
Okay.

6063
04:40:35,440 --> 04:40:38,718
>> That that's exactly right. Um, so this

6064
04:40:38,718 --> 04:40:41,120
is the list of them. Uh some of them are

6065
04:40:41,120 --> 04:40:43,680
things that we there are in 25 or sorry

6066
04:40:43,680 --> 04:40:46,160
in 2152 for example that's an addition.

6067
04:40:46,160 --> 04:40:47,680
It doesn't say anything about the board

6068
04:40:47,680 --> 04:40:48,958
or sorry about the planning commission

6069
04:40:48,958 --> 04:40:50,798
in its powers and duties doing special

6070
04:40:50,798 --> 04:40:52,718
exceptions. So we would need to say

6071
04:40:52,718 --> 04:40:54,080
specifically they're they're empowered

6072
04:40:54,080 --> 04:40:57,200
to do that. 21510 is that exception for

6073
04:40:57,200 --> 04:41:00,400
relocating billboards. Um that section

6074
04:41:00,400 --> 04:41:02,160
is related to the BOA. We would strike

6075
04:41:02,160 --> 04:41:03,520
that because we wouldn't want them to do

6076
04:41:03,520 --> 04:41:06,958
that anymore if this is approved. 2162

6077
04:41:06,958 --> 04:41:08,240
that's powers of the board. We would

6078
04:41:08,240 --> 04:41:09,680
strike them hearing those exceptions

6079
04:41:09,680 --> 04:41:12,240
21611 that grants the that creates a

6080
04:41:12,240 --> 04:41:14,718
section or changes the name for the BOA

6081
04:41:14,718 --> 04:41:15,840
and the planning commission hear them

6082
04:41:15,840 --> 04:41:17,680
instead. And then 2221 again that

6083
04:41:17,680 --> 04:41:19,200
criteria there are a couple of places in

6084
04:41:19,200 --> 04:41:22,080
the body of 2221 where it references the

6085
04:41:22,080 --> 04:41:23,520
board of adjustments must make this

6086
04:41:23,520 --> 04:41:25,520
finding in order to grant eligibility

6087
04:41:25,520 --> 04:41:27,840
for this exception. Uh we would change

6088
04:41:27,840 --> 04:41:29,440
those to planning commission and that is

6089
04:41:29,440 --> 04:41:32,000
in a nutshell what this would do. We

6090
04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:33,280
don't have a lot of applications for

6091
04:41:33,280 --> 04:41:34,400
this. There aren't a lot of properties

6092
04:41:34,400 --> 04:41:37,040
that meet eligibility. Um the ones that

6093
04:41:37,040 --> 04:41:38,560
we've had brought to us so far have

6094
04:41:38,560 --> 04:41:40,798
failed uh eligibility and haven't been

6095
04:41:40,798 --> 04:41:42,480
eligible. So we'll we'll keep

6096
04:41:42,480 --> 04:41:44,000
>> All right. Thank you.

6097
04:41:44,000 --> 04:41:47,600
>> Um Council Member Mikum.

6098
04:41:47,600 --> 04:41:50,240
>> So uh Jared, I I was there planning

6099
04:41:50,240 --> 04:41:51,440
commission when this was brought forward

6100
04:41:51,440 --> 04:41:54,240
and they it made sense to them. Um gives

6101
04:41:54,240 --> 04:41:57,760
them more stuff to do potentially. Um uh

6102
04:41:57,760 --> 04:41:59,520
my understanding is that one of the

6103
04:41:59,520 --> 04:42:01,360
motivations for this change is that the

6104
04:42:01,360 --> 04:42:02,878
board of adjustments meets very

6105
04:42:02,878 --> 04:42:03,760
irregularly.

6106
04:42:03,760 --> 04:42:07,920
>> Yes. and that can cause problems um in

6107
04:42:07,920 --> 04:42:09,760
terms of getting things done and the

6108
04:42:09,760 --> 04:42:11,120
planning commission meets twice a month

6109
04:42:11,120 --> 04:42:13,120
and so planning commission would be able

6110
04:42:13,120 --> 04:42:14,638
to deal with these in a much more timely

6111
04:42:14,638 --> 04:42:15,840
way. Is that correct?

6112
04:42:15,840 --> 04:42:17,680
>> That's that's correct for for two

6113
04:42:17,680 --> 04:42:19,280
reasons really. The first being that the

6114
04:42:19,280 --> 04:42:21,280
board doesn't meet as often or it meets

6115
04:42:21,280 --> 04:42:22,638
very irregularly only when there are

6116
04:42:22,638 --> 04:42:24,958
applications. And the second being that

6117
04:42:24,958 --> 04:42:28,080
part of article 2221,

6118
04:42:28,080 --> 04:42:29,200
everyone hates me when I talk about

6119
04:42:29,200 --> 04:42:32,240
2221. The staff is so sick of it. When

6120
04:42:32,240 --> 04:42:34,320
part of article 221 is finding the

6121
04:42:34,320 --> 04:42:35,440
eligibility, that's the board of

6122
04:42:35,440 --> 04:42:37,040
adjustments job. And then within that

6123
04:42:37,040 --> 04:42:39,280
same body, the planning commission has

6124
04:42:39,280 --> 04:42:41,920
to review a site plan if it's approved

6125
04:42:41,920 --> 04:42:43,520
for eligibility, if it's granted the

6126
04:42:43,520 --> 04:42:45,280
special exception, and then apply all of

6127
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:46,560
these different standards. and they are

6128
04:42:46,560 --> 04:42:48,320
a little different than normal multif

6129
04:42:48,320 --> 04:42:50,560
family or site planning standards. So it

6130
04:42:50,560 --> 04:42:53,200
just made sense to say why are two

6131
04:42:53,200 --> 04:42:54,638
different bodies reviewing the same

6132
04:42:54,638 --> 04:42:56,160
standards and then one of them is saying

6133
04:42:56,160 --> 04:42:57,360
okay you can apply these standards and

6134
04:42:57,360 --> 04:42:58,718
the next body is applying them let's

6135
04:42:58,718 --> 04:43:00,638
just let the one body do it especially

6136
04:43:00,638 --> 04:43:01,840
because they're land use decisions

6137
04:43:01,840 --> 04:43:03,440
having to do with the billboards and the

6138
04:43:03,440 --> 04:43:06,560
uh the multif family standard there. Um

6139
04:43:06,560 --> 04:43:09,840
my my second question is

6140
04:43:09,840 --> 04:43:11,760
uh how does the board of adjustments

6141
04:43:11,760 --> 04:43:15,360
feel about this and uh what duties

6142
04:43:15,360 --> 04:43:17,200
remain for them that we are not

6143
04:43:17,200 --> 04:43:18,560
transferring over?

6144
04:43:18,560 --> 04:43:20,320
>> They they still get that's a great

6145
04:43:20,320 --> 04:43:21,680
question. They still get in my opinion

6146
04:43:21,680 --> 04:43:23,360
the worst of all possible land use

6147
04:43:23,360 --> 04:43:24,958
duties which is variance. They still

6148
04:43:24,958 --> 04:43:27,200
have to review variances which are just

6149
04:43:27,200 --> 04:43:29,120
monstrous things to have to review. The

6150
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:31,600
five tests of hardship and emotions run

6151
04:43:31,600 --> 04:43:33,040
really high. So, they still have a

6152
04:43:33,040 --> 04:43:34,400
terrible job to do. And I would ask them

6153
04:43:34,400 --> 04:43:35,920
if I could convene them, but all of them

6154
04:43:35,920 --> 04:43:39,120
are um are are in that period between

6155
04:43:39,120 --> 04:43:40,560
having served. We need a new board of

6156
04:43:40,560 --> 04:43:42,320
adjustments. So, I don't know how they

6157
04:43:42,320 --> 04:43:44,320
feel about it. You'd have to contact

6158
04:43:44,320 --> 04:43:46,878
them. Um my guess is they've probably

6159
04:43:46,878 --> 04:43:48,320
not reviewed a lot of these exceptions

6160
04:43:48,320 --> 04:43:49,840
over the years. Their job, their main

6161
04:43:49,840 --> 04:43:51,360
job has always been variances and

6162
04:43:51,360 --> 04:43:52,718
probably always willing and appeals.

6163
04:43:52,718 --> 04:43:54,480
They hear appeals, too. So, they get two

6164
04:43:54,480 --> 04:43:55,760
of the worst jobs. So, do you have a

6165
04:43:55,760 --> 04:43:57,600
sense on an annual basis how many of

6166
04:43:57,600 --> 04:43:59,920
these uh special exceptions might come

6167
04:43:59,920 --> 04:44:01,040
before either the board of adjustments

6168
04:44:01,040 --> 04:44:02,000
or the planning commission?

6169
04:44:02,000 --> 04:44:03,760
>> I only know of one that was done in I

6170
04:44:03,760 --> 04:44:05,680
think 20. One was reviewed in like 2018,

6171
04:44:05,680 --> 04:44:08,080
2019, something like that. So, I'm only

6172
04:44:08,080 --> 04:44:10,320
aware of the one. I wouldn't expect one

6173
04:44:10,320 --> 04:44:12,000
more than every couple of years

6174
04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:12,878
possibly.

6175
04:44:12,878 --> 04:44:14,160
>> I've only had seen a board of

6176
04:44:14,160 --> 04:44:16,480
adjustments meeting once in 5 years.

6177
04:44:16,480 --> 04:44:17,520
>> Yeah.

6178
04:44:17,520 --> 04:44:19,360
>> And that was Yeah. And that was maybe

6179
04:44:19,360 --> 04:44:20,878
for an exception. We had the board of

6180
04:44:20,878 --> 04:44:23,040
adjustments meet for a variance. In the

6181
04:44:23,040 --> 04:44:24,638
two years I've been here, not quite two

6182
04:44:24,638 --> 04:44:26,638
years, had the board of adjustments meet

6183
04:44:26,638 --> 04:44:28,958
once. Um, previous locations, previous

6184
04:44:28,958 --> 04:44:30,718
municipalities where I've worked in in

6185
04:44:30,718 --> 04:44:32,320
later years, boards of adjustments have

6186
04:44:32,320 --> 04:44:34,798
met less frequently. For actual variance

6187
04:44:34,798 --> 04:44:36,798
cases, I might hear two or three a year

6188
04:44:36,798 --> 04:44:40,160
at the very most in a very active BOA.

6189
04:44:40,160 --> 04:44:43,360
>> Right. Council, any other questions?

6190
04:44:43,360 --> 04:44:44,798
All right. This is a public hearing, so

6191
04:44:44,798 --> 04:44:45,840
I'm going to go ahead and open the

6192
04:44:45,840 --> 04:44:48,718
public hearing. is if anyone who anyone

6193
04:44:48,718 --> 04:44:51,440
would like to speak to these proposed

6194
04:44:51,440 --> 04:44:53,440
amendments to the city code, you're

6195
04:44:53,440 --> 04:44:54,878
welcome to come up and introduce

6196
04:44:54,878 --> 04:45:03,510
yourself and and make your comments.

6197
04:45:03,520 --> 04:45:05,120
Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the

6198
04:45:05,120 --> 04:45:06,798
public hearing and bring it back to the

6199
04:45:06,798 --> 04:45:09,200
council. So, council, what would you

6200
04:45:09,200 --> 04:45:13,670
like to do with this?

6201
04:45:13,680 --> 04:45:16,240
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion.

6202
04:45:16,240 --> 04:45:18,480
I move to approve by ordinance amending

6203
04:45:18,480 --> 04:45:20,878
articles 2-15-2,

6204
04:45:20,878 --> 04:45:23,600
2-2-15-11,

6205
04:45:23,600 --> 04:45:27,280
2-16-2, and 22-21

6206
04:45:27,280 --> 04:45:29,200
of the ORM city code relating to the

6207
04:45:29,200 --> 04:45:30,560
powers and duties of the planning

6208
04:45:30,560 --> 04:45:33,680
commission and special exceptions.

6209
04:45:33,680 --> 04:45:35,120
>> Right. Thank you. We have a motion.

6210
04:45:35,120 --> 04:45:35,840
>> I second.

6211
04:45:35,840 --> 04:45:37,520
>> Right. Thank you, Council Member Kilpac

6212
04:45:37,520 --> 04:45:39,040
for the second. So, we have a motion and

6213
04:45:39,040 --> 04:45:40,480
a second to approve. Is there any more

6214
04:45:40,480 --> 04:45:42,240
discussion?

6215
04:45:42,240 --> 04:45:43,760
All right. Council member Kilpac, how do

6216
04:45:43,760 --> 04:45:44,320
you vote?

6217
04:45:44,320 --> 04:45:52,320
>> I Okay, the motion carries. Thank you.

6218
04:45:52,320 --> 04:45:54,320
Next item on the agenda is a public

6219
04:45:54,320 --> 04:45:56,638
hearing, another one. It's an ordinance

6220
04:45:56,638 --> 04:46:00,400
amending article 22-5-3A

6221
04:46:00,400 --> 04:46:02,718
in the zoning map of the city of ORM by

6222
04:46:02,718 --> 04:46:04,080
changing the zone of the property

6223
04:46:04,080 --> 04:46:06,718
located generally at 355 West University

6224
04:46:06,718 --> 04:46:08,878
Parkway from R8 single family

6225
04:46:08,878 --> 04:46:12,000
residential to C2 commercial together

6226
04:46:12,000 --> 04:46:14,160
with a development agreement limiting

6227
04:46:14,160 --> 04:46:16,000
certain uses. So I'll go turn the time

6228
04:46:16,000 --> 04:46:17,760
over to you uh Mr. Hall.

6229
04:46:17,760 --> 04:46:20,958
>> Thank you. Um thanks again. So this is a

6230
04:46:20,958 --> 04:46:23,360
request for a zone change as you said to

6231
04:46:23,360 --> 04:46:25,920
C2. This property that you can see here,

6232
04:46:25,920 --> 04:46:28,718
it's just under six acres. This was the

6233
04:46:28,718 --> 04:46:33,680
um the the demonstration gardens for the conservation district or the u

6234
04:46:33,680 --> 04:46:35,200
I'm getting the wrong word. I'm

6235
04:46:35,200 --> 04:46:36,958
distracted by the the Garden of Eden.

6236
04:46:36,958 --> 04:46:38,080
It's like we're conducting the people's

6237
04:46:38,080 --> 04:46:40,320
business from the Garden of Eden here.

6238
04:46:40,320 --> 04:46:42,160
We should have this all the time. By the

6239
04:46:42,160 --> 04:46:43,280
time you get to Bren, you're in the

6240
04:46:43,280 --> 04:46:45,040
wasteland and then further out the

6241
04:46:45,040 --> 04:46:46,400
further you go that way. But you guys

6242
04:46:46,400 --> 04:46:52,160
are all good still. So, um, it it yeah,

6243
04:46:52,160 --> 04:46:53,920
it was the it was a it was a

6244
04:46:53,920 --> 04:46:55,680
demonstration garden. It stayed in the

6245
04:46:55,680 --> 04:46:57,520
R8 zone. So, it's a non-conforming use,

6246
04:46:57,520 --> 04:46:59,280
this office building here. It's been

6247
04:46:59,280 --> 04:47:00,638
used as an office for some time, but

6248
04:47:00,638 --> 04:47:02,480
it's been non-conforming to the R8 zone.

6249
04:47:02,480 --> 04:47:05,440
The applicants in this case have come uh

6250
04:47:05,440 --> 04:47:07,200
with an application to change the zoning

6251
04:47:07,200 --> 04:47:09,680
to C2. This is University Parkway out

6252
04:47:09,680 --> 04:47:13,120
front. Um, the the project is this is a

6253
04:47:13,120 --> 04:47:14,638
snip from the land use map in the

6254
04:47:14,638 --> 04:47:16,400
general plan. Uh, it's regional

6255
04:47:16,400 --> 04:47:18,000
commercial. C2 is one of the zones

6256
04:47:18,000 --> 04:47:19,120
that's prescribed by regional

6257
04:47:19,120 --> 04:47:21,520
commercial. There are several um most of

6258
04:47:21,520 --> 04:47:23,120
the properties along the Parkway are in

6259
04:47:23,120 --> 04:47:25,440
this regional commercial uh land use

6260
04:47:25,440 --> 04:47:27,040
category. Several of them in terms of

6261
04:47:27,040 --> 04:47:29,040
zoning or in for example highway

6262
04:47:29,040 --> 04:47:30,958
services here and then the PD5 which is

6263
04:47:30,958 --> 04:47:33,520
a specialized uh commercial zone, a

6264
04:47:33,520 --> 04:47:35,520
development agreement kind of a zone and

6265
04:47:35,520 --> 04:47:37,600
some others. Uh they've asked for the C2

6266
04:47:37,600 --> 04:47:39,520
zoning for some flexibility in site

6267
04:47:39,520 --> 04:47:43,440
planning. Uh a PD zone um limits the

6268
04:47:43,440 --> 04:47:44,638
site plan. They're shopping for

6269
04:47:44,638 --> 04:47:46,000
different tenants. They want to have

6270
04:47:46,000 --> 04:47:48,400
some ability to This is really good

6271
04:47:48,400 --> 04:47:50,160
visibility for some great retail. They

6272
04:47:50,160 --> 04:47:53,280
want it as as uh potential developers to

6273
04:47:53,280 --> 04:47:56,320
be able to accommodate uh different uh

6274
04:47:56,320 --> 04:47:58,240
higherend retail establishments if they

6275
04:47:58,240 --> 04:47:59,920
come through. They have provided a

6276
04:47:59,920 --> 04:48:03,200
concept site plan um because we ask for

6277
04:48:03,200 --> 04:48:05,600
that with our zone change applications.

6278
04:48:05,600 --> 04:48:08,320
Uh the site plan they provided as you

6279
04:48:08,320 --> 04:48:10,000
can see it incorporates still that

6280
04:48:10,000 --> 04:48:12,080
office building that that would remain.

6281
04:48:12,080 --> 04:48:14,480
Uh and then another about 12,000 ft²

6282
04:48:14,480 --> 04:48:16,798
just over 12,000 square ft of retail can

6283
04:48:16,798 --> 04:48:18,798
be accommodated with the parking that's

6284
04:48:18,798 --> 04:48:20,638
needed uh in that area and they would

6285
04:48:20,638 --> 04:48:22,560
choose that kind of high side visibility

6286
04:48:22,560 --> 04:48:24,638
to University Parkway. There are

6287
04:48:24,638 --> 04:48:26,480
standards in place with C2 zoning that

6288
04:48:26,480 --> 04:48:28,320
require buffering from residential uh

6289
04:48:28,320 --> 04:48:29,600
buildings have to be set back at least

6290
04:48:29,600 --> 04:48:31,360
the height of the building uh from

6291
04:48:31,360 --> 04:48:32,958
residential property lines. And as you

6292
04:48:32,958 --> 04:48:35,360
can see there is this very established

6293
04:48:35,360 --> 04:48:37,200
uh residential neighborhood uh just to

6294
04:48:37,200 --> 04:48:39,600
the rear. Uh there's already a wall in

6295
04:48:39,600 --> 04:48:41,040
place back here and some landscaping

6296
04:48:41,040 --> 04:48:42,958
that would all be maintained in any kind

6297
04:48:42,958 --> 04:48:45,440
of a site plan for the buffer. Uh again

6298
04:48:45,440 --> 04:48:47,600
though, I want to stress that site plans

6299
04:48:47,600 --> 04:48:49,280
are we we look at concepts for these

6300
04:48:49,280 --> 04:48:51,120
zone changes, but the C2 would allow

6301
04:48:51,120 --> 04:48:52,958
them to hunt for different tenants for

6302
04:48:52,958 --> 04:48:56,240
these areas and and site planning as a

6303
04:48:56,240 --> 04:48:58,958
process. If it were reszoned to R,

6304
04:48:58,958 --> 04:49:01,600
sorry, to R2. If it were reszoned to C2

6305
04:49:01,600 --> 04:49:02,878
zoning, they'd still have to come back

6306
04:49:02,878 --> 04:49:04,000
through the planning commission for any

6307
04:49:04,000 --> 04:49:08,638
site plan and development. Um, so that's one thing to be aware of.

6308
04:49:08,638 --> 04:49:10,560
>> So this site plan is not part of the

6309
04:49:10,560 --> 04:49:11,280
development agreement.

6310
04:49:11,280 --> 04:49:12,400
>> Not part of the development. Okay. The

6311
04:49:12,400 --> 04:49:13,920
development agreement that they proposed

6312
04:49:13,920 --> 04:49:15,520
after meeting with the neighborhood and

6313
04:49:15,520 --> 04:49:17,280
then with the planning commission uh is

6314
04:49:17,280 --> 04:49:20,718
limited to uses. They um the

6315
04:49:20,718 --> 04:49:22,480
neighborhood was concerned about uh

6316
04:49:22,480 --> 04:49:24,798
vehicle oriented uses, car sales, gas

6317
04:49:24,798 --> 04:49:26,638
stations, that kind of thing. Uh they

6318
04:49:26,638 --> 04:49:28,958
had no problem with that as as a as a

6319
04:49:28,958 --> 04:49:30,480
developer. In fact, they just added

6320
04:49:30,480 --> 04:49:33,200
several things to that as well. um areas

6321
04:49:33,200 --> 04:49:35,040
that they're not interested or different

6322
04:49:35,040 --> 04:49:37,200
um sorry different uses that they're not

6323
04:49:37,200 --> 04:49:38,718
really interested in leasing to on this

6324
04:49:38,718 --> 04:49:40,718
property. So they would eliminate those

6325
04:49:40,718 --> 04:49:43,040
in their uh development agreement as

6326
04:49:43,040 --> 04:49:44,480
well. The planning commission added

6327
04:49:44,480 --> 04:49:46,320
tattooing to that when they made their

6328
04:49:46,320 --> 04:49:49,200
motion at their public hearing. Um they

6329
04:49:49,200 --> 04:49:51,120
held their hearing on April 1st. Then

6330
04:49:51,120 --> 04:49:53,360
the applicant went developed development

6331
04:49:53,360 --> 04:49:56,718
agreement came back on April 15th and uh

6332
04:49:56,718 --> 04:49:58,958
they were voted 6 to0 to recommend the

6333
04:49:58,958 --> 04:50:00,240
city approval along with that

6334
04:50:00,240 --> 04:50:02,080
development agreement. But it is limited

6335
04:50:02,080 --> 04:50:04,080
to uses, these different uses that they

6336
04:50:04,080 --> 04:50:07,360
would voluntarily eliminate from their

6337
04:50:07,360 --> 04:50:08,400
lists.

6338
04:50:08,400 --> 04:50:11,040
>> All right. Thank you. Any questions for

6339
04:50:11,040 --> 04:50:13,440
um Mr. Hall? Right. The applicant here

6340
04:50:13,440 --> 04:50:15,280
this evening. All right. Welcome. Would

6341
04:50:15,280 --> 04:50:17,280
you like to come up and introduce

6342
04:50:17,280 --> 04:50:18,958
yourself? And if there's anything you

6343
04:50:18,958 --> 04:50:21,280
would like to add, uh please feel free

6344
04:50:21,280 --> 04:50:22,320
to do so.

6345
04:50:22,320 --> 04:50:23,840
>> Absolutely. Thanks for having me

6346
04:50:23,840 --> 04:50:25,600
tonight. My name is McKenna Christensen

6347
04:50:25,600 --> 04:50:28,240
with Cole West. Um Jared gave a really

6348
04:50:28,240 --> 04:50:30,638
great overview, but um just to give you

6349
04:50:30,638 --> 04:50:32,958
a little more background, we chose the

6350
04:50:32,958 --> 04:50:35,920
C2 zone rather than a PD. Um like Jared

6351
04:50:35,920 --> 04:50:38,080
said, just to have some flexibility if

6352
04:50:38,080 --> 04:50:40,400
we need to change some of the building

6353
04:50:40,400 --> 04:50:42,480
elevations, make it bigger or smaller to

6354
04:50:42,480 --> 04:50:44,958
accommodate tenants. Um we wanted the

6355
04:50:44,958 --> 04:50:46,320
flexibility to be able to do that

6356
04:50:46,320 --> 04:50:48,160
without having to come through an entire

6357
04:50:48,160 --> 04:50:50,320
zone amendment process and then a site

6358
04:50:50,320 --> 04:50:54,240
plan. Um, so we we had a a really good

6359
04:50:54,240 --> 04:50:56,080
meeting with the neighbors, went to two

6360
04:50:56,080 --> 04:50:57,440
planning commission meetings, talked

6361
04:50:57,440 --> 04:50:59,600
through all the uses. Um, I think we

6362
04:50:59,600 --> 04:51:01,680
landed on on a really good compromise

6363
04:51:01,680 --> 04:51:03,520
with this development agreement, but if

6364
04:51:03,520 --> 04:51:05,920
there's any questions, concerns, I'd be

6365
04:51:05,920 --> 04:51:07,200
happy to answer any of those.

6366
04:51:07,200 --> 04:51:08,878
>> All right. Thank you. Do you have

6367
04:51:08,878 --> 04:51:10,638
council? Do you have any questions for

6368
04:51:10,638 --> 04:51:12,878
the applicant? All right. Thank you, me.

6369
04:51:12,878 --> 04:51:14,240
Um, council member Millet.

6370
04:51:14,240 --> 04:51:16,240
>> Okay. Few questions. So, Cole West, what

6371
04:51:16,240 --> 04:51:17,520
do you guys specialize in? You're a

6372
04:51:17,520 --> 04:51:18,798
retail developer or what kind?

6373
04:51:18,798 --> 04:51:20,400
>> Retail and residential. retail and

6374
04:51:20,400 --> 04:51:21,760
residential. So, are you looking at

6375
04:51:21,760 --> 04:51:23,520
mixed use for this area?

6376
04:51:23,520 --> 04:51:26,080
>> Uh, we we are not looking at this site

6377
04:51:26,080 --> 04:51:28,958
for mixed use. Um, we do all types of

6378
04:51:28,958 --> 04:51:31,440
housing. We do forale single family, um,

6379
04:51:31,440 --> 04:51:34,000
built for rent town homes, uh, single

6380
04:51:34,000 --> 04:51:36,000
family homes. Looking at the general

6381
04:51:36,000 --> 04:51:38,080
plan, it didn't seem like it was

6382
04:51:38,080 --> 04:51:40,160
appropriate for this area and that this

6383
04:51:40,160 --> 04:51:42,480
was more of, um, the commercial

6384
04:51:42,480 --> 04:51:44,958
corridor. Um it is a great location

6385
04:51:44,958 --> 04:51:48,080
being next to UVU, but um hearing about

6386
04:51:48,080 --> 04:51:50,240
some of the historical history of the

6387
04:51:50,240 --> 04:51:52,718
site um and some of the other ongoing

6388
04:51:52,718 --> 04:51:54,160
developments in the city that were

6389
04:51:54,160 --> 04:51:56,798
capitalizing on more uh dense multif

6390
04:51:56,798 --> 04:51:58,480
family and residential. We didn't feel

6391
04:51:58,480 --> 04:52:00,160
it was appropriate for this site.

6392
04:52:00,160 --> 04:52:01,920
>> Okay. Cuz there it is pretty

6393
04:52:01,920 --> 04:52:04,240
concentrated in that area already

6394
04:52:04,240 --> 04:52:06,320
>> there. That street is really heavily

6395
04:52:06,320 --> 04:52:09,200
concentrated with high density. Um on

6396
04:52:09,200 --> 04:52:12,240
your So thank you for that. I look for I

6397
04:52:12,240 --> 04:52:14,320
saw some little notes of potential

6398
04:52:14,320 --> 04:52:17,760
retail um restaurant people there look

6399
04:52:17,760 --> 04:52:19,600
great. Hopefully you can get one of them

6400
04:52:19,600 --> 04:52:22,878
in particular that I love but um I won't

6401
04:52:22,878 --> 04:52:25,280
mention it here but um let's see. Thank

6402
04:52:25,280 --> 04:52:26,638
you so much to our planning commission

6403
04:52:26,638 --> 04:52:28,240
for adding tattooing and thank you for

6404
04:52:28,240 --> 04:52:31,040
not being interested in that of course.

6405
04:52:31,040 --> 04:52:33,360
>> And then my last question is um on your

6406
04:52:33,360 --> 04:52:35,760
site plan you did concentrate will you

6407
04:52:35,760 --> 04:52:38,080
pull that up Jared? The site plan. So,

6408
04:52:38,080 --> 04:52:40,638
it looks like that bottom part it I I'm

6409
04:52:40,638 --> 04:52:42,560
guessing you don't need all that parking

6410
04:52:42,560 --> 04:52:45,120
for what you these two buildings.

6411
04:52:45,120 --> 04:52:46,638
>> No, probably not.

6412
04:52:46,638 --> 04:52:47,440
>> Buildings.

6413
04:52:47,440 --> 04:52:49,520
>> Probably not. All of the parking on the

6414
04:52:49,520 --> 04:52:51,360
east side is really for the office.

6415
04:52:51,360 --> 04:52:54,400
We'll need some of that um southwest

6416
04:52:54,400 --> 04:52:56,400
corner for the two retail buildings,

6417
04:52:56,400 --> 04:52:58,160
particularly if we have some restaurant

6418
04:52:58,160 --> 04:53:00,560
users that typically take up some more

6419
04:53:00,560 --> 04:53:03,200
parking, but it is unlikely we would

6420
04:53:03,200 --> 04:53:05,680
need all of that parking. Okay. because

6421
04:53:05,680 --> 04:53:07,600
I know there's like concerns. I've heard

6422
04:53:07,600 --> 04:53:10,080
some of the neighbors with that exit,

6423
04:53:10,080 --> 04:53:12,240
right? Um if there are a lot of cars,

6424
04:53:12,240 --> 04:53:14,000
the facility that was there didn't

6425
04:53:14,000 --> 04:53:16,480
really have a lot of in and out. Um but

6426
04:53:16,480 --> 04:53:18,080
with this you would and it doesn't

6427
04:53:18,080 --> 04:53:20,400
really line up with the other streets

6428
04:53:20,400 --> 04:53:22,718
there. So I think Jared had I saw some

6429
04:53:22,718 --> 04:53:24,958
notations somewhere. Is that something

6430
04:53:24,958 --> 04:53:27,440
you're okay with maybe moving your

6431
04:53:27,440 --> 04:53:29,920
entrance a little farther? Is that

6432
04:53:29,920 --> 04:53:34,400
>> um or south? I think we would like to

6433
04:53:34,400 --> 04:53:37,120
preserve it um if possible. I think with

6434
04:53:37,120 --> 04:53:38,798
our site plan, we do still need to order

6435
04:53:38,798 --> 04:53:41,440
a traffic study if that's correct. So, I

6436
04:53:41,440 --> 04:53:42,878
think we'd probably want to wait for a

6437
04:53:42,878 --> 04:53:44,638
traffic study to come back before we

6438
04:53:44,638 --> 04:53:47,200
agreed to do that or not. Um if the

6439
04:53:47,200 --> 04:53:48,560
traffic study determines that,

6440
04:53:48,560 --> 04:53:50,240
obviously, that's something we would do,

6441
04:53:50,240 --> 04:53:52,638
but we are we do have an existing tenant

6442
04:53:52,638 --> 04:53:54,480
in the office building. We do want to

6443
04:53:54,480 --> 04:53:56,400
minimize disruption to them as much as

6444
04:53:56,400 --> 04:53:57,920
possible so it doesn't affect their

6445
04:53:57,920 --> 04:53:59,920
business. having to move that location.

6446
04:53:59,920 --> 04:54:01,680
We'd probably need to relocate a lot of

6447
04:54:01,680 --> 04:54:04,320
utilities, disrupt the drive aisle, um

6448
04:54:04,320 --> 04:54:06,798
do there is a lot of topography on the

6449
04:54:06,798 --> 04:54:08,240
site, so there would probably be a lot

6450
04:54:08,240 --> 04:54:10,798
of grading um that we would need to do.

6451
04:54:10,798 --> 04:54:13,120
If we're required, we certainly will,

6452
04:54:13,120 --> 04:54:16,000
but we want to um we don't want to cause

6453
04:54:16,000 --> 04:54:17,760
disruptions that aren't necessary.

6454
04:54:17,760 --> 04:54:19,360
>> So, I guess my So, right there, that

6455
04:54:19,360 --> 04:54:22,080
corner right is um the southwest that's

6456
04:54:22,080 --> 04:54:23,760
right next to the neighbors. And I read

6457
04:54:23,760 --> 04:54:25,520
an email, something back and forth. It

6458
04:54:25,520 --> 04:54:28,560
sounded like you're very interested in working with the neighbors and I

6459
04:54:28,560 --> 04:54:30,400
appreciate that, but at this point

6460
04:54:30,400 --> 04:54:32,080
you're telling me I'm guessing all that

6461
04:54:32,080 --> 04:54:33,280
parking is not going to stay there.

6462
04:54:33,280 --> 04:54:34,878
You're going to want to put something

6463
04:54:34,878 --> 04:54:36,320
>> in that area cuz I don't think you need

6464
04:54:36,320 --> 04:54:38,080
all that parking. Did you have anything

6465
04:54:38,080 --> 04:54:39,440
in mind for that or?

6466
04:54:39,440 --> 04:54:41,120
>> We don't have anything in mind for that

6467
04:54:41,120 --> 04:54:43,120
yet. Um I think it's really going to be

6468
04:54:43,120 --> 04:54:46,718
dependent on the uses right now. Um in

6469
04:54:46,718 --> 04:54:48,638
the western building, we have two

6470
04:54:48,638 --> 04:54:50,638
restaurants planned there and then a

6471
04:54:50,638 --> 04:54:52,160
veterinarian that's planned in the

6472
04:54:52,160 --> 04:54:54,798
eastern building. Um, we've had a couple

6473
04:54:54,798 --> 04:54:56,718
conversations with a restaurant for that

6474
04:54:56,718 --> 04:54:58,958
eastern building, too. Um, that they

6475
04:54:58,958 --> 04:55:00,798
might need to grow that building. Um,

6476
04:55:00,798 --> 04:55:03,040
depending on square footage and how many

6477
04:55:03,040 --> 04:55:04,718
restaurants we have, it really could

6478
04:55:04,718 --> 04:55:07,120
require all that parking. So, I can't

6479
04:55:07,120 --> 04:55:10,718
give you a firm answer, but um, if that

6480
04:55:10,718 --> 04:55:13,040
becomes excess kind of dead parking, I

6481
04:55:13,040 --> 04:55:14,240
think that's something we could look at

6482
04:55:14,240 --> 04:55:15,040
in the future.

6483
04:55:15,040 --> 04:55:16,798
>> Okay. And then just, you know, I know at

6484
04:55:16,798 --> 04:55:19,040
one point for this particular property

6485
04:55:19,040 --> 04:55:20,798
five, six years ago, I saw something

6486
04:55:20,798 --> 04:55:23,360
that there was a a possibility of a

6487
04:55:23,360 --> 04:55:25,520
Longhorn steakhouse. And I just want to

6488
04:55:25,520 --> 04:55:27,520
put that out there as a wonderful option

6489
04:55:27,520 --> 04:55:32,310
if you ever

6490
04:55:32,320 --> 04:55:35,680
» Rio, that would be good, too.

6491
04:55:35,680 --> 04:55:37,920
>> Duran Duran,

6492
04:55:37,920 --> 04:55:40,240
>> we have a Duran ongoing Duran Duran joke

6493
04:55:40,240 --> 04:55:41,840
going tonight, so I'm sorry that

6494
04:55:41,840 --> 04:55:44,718
>> No, you're totally fine. Um, yeah, we

6495
04:55:44,718 --> 04:55:46,240
actually have talked to Longhorn about

6496
04:55:46,240 --> 04:55:47,680
this project. We were going back and

6497
04:55:47,680 --> 04:55:50,480
forth with them for a while. Um, I don't

6498
04:55:50,480 --> 04:55:52,320
know if anything came of it, but I did

6499
04:55:52,320 --> 04:55:54,000
hear they were looking somewhere else in

6500
04:55:54,000 --> 04:55:56,400
the city that had a little more um

6501
04:55:56,400 --> 04:55:58,878
anchoring uses um that they would want

6502
04:55:58,878 --> 04:56:00,400
to be close to. So, okay.

6503
04:56:00,400 --> 04:56:02,160
>> Um, they're I think they did pass on

6504
04:56:02,160 --> 04:56:03,760
this site, but we tried to get them

6505
04:56:03,760 --> 04:56:04,878
here. So,

6506
04:56:04,878 --> 04:56:06,878
>> thank you.

6507
04:56:06,878 --> 04:56:08,798
>> All right, council. Okay, Council Member

6508
04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:11,840
Mikum. Um I you know I had the same

6509
04:56:11,840 --> 04:56:14,080
question about parking that that seems

6510
04:56:14,080 --> 04:56:16,400
for the size of the retail it seems like

6511
04:56:16,400 --> 04:56:19,760
an excessive amount of parking. So I'm guessing by the time we we see a

6512
04:56:19,760 --> 04:56:21,280
site plan that'll be more refined and

6513
04:56:21,280 --> 04:56:22,878
we'll have a chance to

6514
04:56:22,878 --> 04:56:26,718
>> to examine that in more detail. Uh uh

6515
04:56:26,718 --> 04:56:28,958
can you uh remind me who is in that

6516
04:56:28,958 --> 04:56:31,120
office building and how many employees

6517
04:56:31,120 --> 04:56:33,760
that they have there? Greenex Pest

6518
04:56:33,760 --> 04:56:37,440
Control. Um, their employee count, they

6519
04:56:37,440 --> 04:56:40,798
typically need around 150 to 175 stalls

6520
04:56:40,798 --> 04:56:42,958
talking to them. Their employee count

6521
04:56:42,958 --> 04:56:45,120
varies by season. In the summer, they do

6522
04:56:45,120 --> 04:56:46,878
a lot of doortodoor sales, so there's

6523
04:56:46,878 --> 04:56:49,440
not quite as many people in office. Um,

6524
04:56:49,440 --> 04:56:51,040
and then in the winter, it picks up a

6525
04:56:51,040 --> 04:56:53,600
little bit, but their lease goes until

6526
04:56:53,600 --> 04:56:55,520
2032, I believe. So, they're planning on

6527
04:56:55,520 --> 04:56:57,040
being there for a while.

6528
04:56:57,040 --> 04:56:58,320
>> Okay.

6529
04:56:58,320 --> 04:57:00,958
I I'll just say that this is kind of a

6530
04:57:00,958 --> 04:57:04,480
uniquely positioned site, right? U it's

6531
04:57:04,480 --> 04:57:06,560
is as you're going up the hill, as you

6532
04:57:06,560 --> 04:57:10,080
come up University Parkway, um it has

6533
04:57:10,080 --> 04:57:11,440
both opportunities and challenges,

6534
04:57:11,440 --> 04:57:13,520
right? The opportunity is that it's it's

6535
04:57:13,520 --> 04:57:15,840
a pretty unique space. Um and I think

6536
04:57:15,840 --> 04:57:17,600
you could do something pretty fun and

6537
04:57:17,600 --> 04:57:20,000
interesting there. I think the challenge

6538
04:57:20,000 --> 04:57:21,840
is just that because of the elevation

6539
04:57:21,840 --> 04:57:23,360
sometimes it might be hard to see some

6540
04:57:23,360 --> 04:57:25,280
of that frontage. Uh it looks like

6541
04:57:25,280 --> 04:57:27,200
you've got it right out there in in the

6542
04:57:27,200 --> 04:57:29,600
front, which probably um make that work

6543
04:57:29,600 --> 04:57:31,920
just fine. But I I would just encourage

6544
04:57:31,920 --> 04:57:34,480
you to uh recognize that it's it's a

6545
04:57:34,480 --> 04:57:36,560
unique kind of a special spot in the

6546
04:57:36,560 --> 04:57:39,760
city and uh having something kind of

6547
04:57:39,760 --> 04:57:41,840
special there, right, that also meets

6548
04:57:41,840 --> 04:57:44,080
all of the traffic requirements and

6549
04:57:44,080 --> 04:57:45,760
other things I think is appropriate.

6550
04:57:45,760 --> 04:57:48,400
>> Okay. Thank you.

6551
04:57:48,400 --> 04:57:51,120
>> Great. Thank you. Anybody else?

6552
04:57:51,120 --> 04:57:52,958
All right. Thank you. This is a public

6553
04:57:52,958 --> 04:57:56,480
hearing and I'm going to if goinghead

6554
04:57:56,480 --> 04:57:57,840
and open that public hearing. If there's

6555
04:57:57,840 --> 04:57:59,280
anyone who would like to come and speak

6556
04:57:59,280 --> 04:58:01,680
to this item, um you are welcome to come

6557
04:58:01,680 --> 04:58:11,830
up and do so.

6558
04:58:11,840 --> 04:58:13,760
Seeing none, go ahead and close the

6559
04:58:13,760 --> 04:58:16,080
public hearing and bring it back to the

6560
04:58:16,080 --> 04:58:19,040
city council, right, for discussion. So,

6561
04:58:19,040 --> 04:58:21,680
council, what what would you like to do

6562
04:58:21,680 --> 04:58:24,000
with u this application?

6563
04:58:24,000 --> 04:58:28,798
>> Can I and I apologize. I I neglected to make one point for you all related to

6564
04:58:28,798 --> 04:58:29,840
the development agreement.

6565
04:58:29,840 --> 04:58:30,400
>> Oh, okay.

6566
04:58:30,400 --> 04:58:31,840
>> We have not executed the development

6567
04:58:31,840 --> 04:58:34,958
agreement. It's ready to go. Um but uh

6568
04:58:34,958 --> 04:58:37,200
Cole Cole needs to sign and we would

6569
04:58:37,200 --> 04:58:39,280
need to sign. So, we would ask you

6570
04:58:39,280 --> 04:58:41,520
tonight if you would consider um

6571
04:58:41,520 --> 04:58:43,200
continuing until we have that executed

6572
04:58:43,200 --> 04:58:44,560
if you're

6573
04:58:44,560 --> 04:58:45,280
>> Okay. So,

6574
04:58:45,280 --> 04:58:46,718
>> if you can continue to your next hearing

6575
04:58:46,718 --> 04:58:47,600
and then we'll

6576
04:58:47,600 --> 04:58:50,320
>> So, you rather rather continue it rather

6577
04:58:50,320 --> 04:58:52,958
than approving it based on the signed.

6578
04:58:52,958 --> 04:58:55,520
You'd rather have it all done than Okay.

6579
04:58:55,520 --> 04:58:57,840
So, so an appropriate motion would be to

6580
04:58:57,840 --> 04:59:00,160
continue this until June 23rd.

6581
04:59:00,160 --> 04:59:01,360
>> And we feel like the development group

6582
04:59:01,360 --> 04:59:02,560
is ready to go. We just need to get it

6583
04:59:02,560 --> 04:59:03,280
executed.

6584
04:59:03,280 --> 04:59:04,560
>> Okay. Is that something that we can put

6585
04:59:04,560 --> 04:59:08,000
on the consent calendar on the 23rd? I

6586
04:59:08,000 --> 04:59:11,040
don't know how with land use.

6587
04:59:11,040 --> 04:59:12,958
>> Yeah, you've had the public hearing. Uh

6588
04:59:12,958 --> 04:59:15,760
closed the public hearing. So yeah, I

6589
04:59:15,760 --> 04:59:16,878
think you could could put it on the

6590
04:59:16,878 --> 04:59:17,440
consent.

6591
04:59:17,440 --> 04:59:18,400
>> All right. How would you feel about

6592
04:59:18,400 --> 04:59:20,798
that, council continuing it to the 23rd

6593
04:59:20,798 --> 04:59:22,480
to have the development agreement signed

6594
04:59:22,480 --> 04:59:23,760
and then have it on the consent

6595
04:59:23,760 --> 04:59:24,400
calendar?

6596
04:59:24,400 --> 04:59:25,920
>> Yeah, I think that's fine. If there's

6597
04:59:25,920 --> 04:59:27,040
any issues with the development

6598
04:59:27,040 --> 04:59:28,160
agreement, we could pull it off the

6599
04:59:28,160 --> 04:59:28,480
consent.

6600
04:59:28,480 --> 04:59:29,040
>> That's correct.

6601
04:59:29,040 --> 04:59:29,360
>> Yep.

6602
04:59:29,360 --> 04:59:30,638
>> Right.

6603
04:59:30,638 --> 04:59:32,718
>> All right. Thank you, uh, Mr. Hall.

6604
04:59:32,718 --> 04:59:33,440
>> Thank you.

6605
04:59:33,440 --> 04:59:35,760
>> All right. Sounds like I have an idea of

6606
04:59:35,760 --> 04:59:42,070
what a motion could look like.

6607
04:59:42,080 --> 04:59:45,120
I can make a motion. May I move that we

6608
04:59:45,120 --> 04:59:48,000
uh

6609
04:59:48,000 --> 04:59:48,560
>> continue?

6610
04:59:48,560 --> 04:59:51,920
until June 23rd, this uh item

6611
04:59:51,920 --> 04:59:54,560
10.3.

6612
04:59:54,560 --> 04:59:55,920
>> All right. Do we need to put in the

6613
04:59:55,920 --> 04:59:58,000
motion that it gets put on the consent

6614
04:59:58,000 --> 05:00:00,400
calendar or what? Just goes it just gets

6615
05:00:00,400 --> 05:00:02,160
continued until our next meeting on June

6616
05:00:02,160 --> 05:00:03,840
23rd. Not next meeting, but our meeting

6617
05:00:03,840 --> 05:00:04,638
on June 23rd.

6618
05:00:04,638 --> 05:00:05,200
>> Yeah.

6619
05:00:05,200 --> 05:00:07,040
>> Thank you, Council Member Kilpat. Can we

6620
05:00:07,040 --> 05:00:09,120
have a motion? Is there a second? I'll

6621
05:00:09,120 --> 05:00:09,680
second.

6622
05:00:09,680 --> 05:00:11,040
>> All right. Thank you, Council Member

6623
05:00:11,040 --> 05:00:13,680
Molstein. Um, any further discussion,

6624
05:00:13,680 --> 05:00:15,280
Council?

6625
05:00:15,280 --> 05:00:16,400
>> All right. How do you vote, Council

6626
05:00:16,400 --> 05:00:17,360
Member Molstein?

6627
05:00:17,360 --> 05:00:21,760
>> I

6628
05:00:21,760 --> 05:00:23,040
>> All right. Motion carries.

6629
05:00:23,040 --> 05:00:23,840
>> Thank you all.

6630
05:00:23,840 --> 05:00:26,560
>> All right. Thank you. Next item on the

6631
05:00:26,560 --> 05:00:29,120
agenda is our

6632
05:00:29,120 --> 05:00:32,400
um esteemed city manager.

6633
05:00:32,400 --> 05:00:34,958
And for any information items, I'll turn

6634
05:00:34,958 --> 05:00:38,480
it over to you, Bren. Um just a public

6635
05:00:38,480 --> 05:00:42,320
thank you to each of you for your

6636
05:00:42,320 --> 05:00:47,040
support, participation, time, effort,

6637
05:00:47,040 --> 05:00:48,798
encouragement,

6638
05:00:48,798 --> 05:00:52,000
money, space as it relates to the Gold

6639
05:00:52,000 --> 05:00:53,920
Star family's memorial and our Freedom

6640
05:00:53,920 --> 05:00:58,160
Plaza and our Memorial Day event. um you

6641
05:00:58,160 --> 05:01:00,958
know being in this career for over 19

6642
05:01:00,958 --> 05:01:03,920
years that will just this last week

6643
05:01:03,920 --> 05:01:07,440
weekend will be uh a top top highlight

6644
05:01:07,440 --> 05:01:10,560
of mine and uh it was wonderful to have

6645
05:01:10,560 --> 05:01:12,958
things kind of come full circle and be

6646
05:01:12,958 --> 05:01:16,480
reminded of of um late night

6647
05:01:16,480 --> 05:01:22,320
conversations with uh Brent Taylor and his wife and and talking about uh

6648
05:01:22,320 --> 05:01:24,638
putting uh service leadership and

6649
05:01:24,638 --> 05:01:27,040
sacrificing for others uh uh in front of

6650
05:01:27,040 --> 05:01:31,280
ourselves and um and the the wonderful

6651
05:01:31,280 --> 05:01:33,520
events that we had this last weekend uh

6652
05:01:33,520 --> 05:01:35,200
just kind of brought that all to the

6653
05:01:35,200 --> 05:01:37,200
four and and reinforced the importance

6654
05:01:37,200 --> 05:01:40,160
of those valuable principles and and so

6655
05:01:40,160 --> 05:01:42,718
just thank you so much for being

6656
05:01:42,718 --> 05:01:46,000
completely allin uh on on these just

6657
05:01:46,000 --> 05:01:48,320
wonderful uh events and programs and

6658
05:01:48,320 --> 05:01:50,480
projects. Thank you. Thank you.

6659
05:01:50,480 --> 05:01:51,840
>> Right. Thank you. It truly was a

6660
05:01:51,840 --> 05:01:55,360
wonderful weekend and Orm's a great city

6661
05:01:55,360 --> 05:01:58,400
to live in. All right, if you don't have

6662
05:01:58,400 --> 05:02:00,080
anything else, Brian, we'll go. I would

6663
05:02:00,080 --> 05:02:02,080
entertain a motion to adjurnn.

6664
05:02:02,080 --> 05:02:04,320
>> I move that we adjourn.

6665
05:02:04,320 --> 05:02:05,840
>> Motion in a second. All those in favor

6666
05:02:05,840 --> 05:02:07,440
say I. I. I.

6667
05:02:07,440 --> 05:02:11,520
>> All right. We'll see y'all.