[0:37] Yeah, this is a sound check. Can you
[0:38] hear us?
[0:40] >> No.
[0:42] >> Yes, I can hear you.
[0:46] >> Thank you.
[1:05] Sarah
[1:07] >> here for
[1:08] >> dinner.
[1:09] >> I'd like to welcome you to our work
[1:11] session of today's city council meeting
[1:13] on May 26th, 2026.
[1:16] And
[1:18] thank you all. I've seen a lot of each
[1:20] other lately the past few days. We've
[1:22] had some great things happen here and
[1:24] it's been good good to see you all and
[1:27] to celebrate
[1:29] uh the dedication of our Gold Star
[1:31] family monument and to reflect our
[1:35] Memorial Day program. So our first item
[1:38] on the agenda is the continued
[1:41] discussion on the short-term rentals of
[1:44] 60 minutes has been allocated uh 30
[1:46] minutes presentation and 30 minutes Q&A.
[1:49] And before I turn the time over to Jake,
[1:53] just want to thank you Jake for for
[1:56] tackling all of this. And um just know
[2:00] that you you've looked at a lot of
[2:01] different options. I know that you don't
[2:04] your your job is to is to present us
[2:07] with a variety of options and you the
[2:10] council consider those and appreciate
[2:14] you taking the time to go ahead and look
[2:16] at those. Some of those options may not
[2:18] be what we vision for the city, but it's
[2:21] not you saying we should do that. It's
[2:23] these are things that these are
[2:25] possibilities and and I appreciate that.
[2:28] And council, I would like to ask that we
[2:31] save our questions until Jake is done
[2:35] with his presentation. I would like to
[2:38] have him have the opportunity to present
[2:40] what he has. And so if you wouldn't mind
[2:43] saving your questions until Jake says
[2:46] he's ready. He's going to facilitate the
[2:49] discussion after and and so if we could
[2:53] do that that would Jeff that would be
[2:56] great. So any questions on that before
[2:59] we get started?
[3:01] All right. Oh
[3:04] those. So all right Jake I'll go ahead
[3:07] and turn the time over to you.
[3:09] >> Thank you mayor. Um, so to pick up where
[3:11] we left off from previous conversations
[3:14] about short-term rentals
[3:17] is
[3:18] a provision that could be included um
[3:22] that would address concerns that have
[3:24] been raised regarding the ability for
[3:28] short-term rentals to be used as a way
[3:30] to
[3:32] um provide student housing in a way that
[3:34] would be
[3:36] in violation of our current student
[3:38] housing ordinance. expenses. And one way
[3:41] we could address that is through
[3:43] requiring a dormant period for
[3:46] short-term rentals. Um the way this is
[3:50] currently written it is that for a
[3:52] period for a monthly period, sorry, for
[3:55] any monthly period, uh short-term rental
[3:58] would have to sit vacant for 5 days.
[4:01] Those five days do not have to be
[4:03] consecutive five days, just five days
[4:07] during the the period of the month.
[4:09] Um, that still allows for an occupancy
[4:12] rate of short-term rentals in excess of
[4:14] 80%.
[4:16] Um, based on what I could research on
[4:19] different uh websites and what I've
[4:21] heard from short-term rental operators
[4:24] is they typically operate between 56%
[4:27] and 70% occupancy. So, by and large,
[4:32] requiring five days that are
[4:34] non-consecutive days should not impact
[4:37] any short-term rental operator uh hugely
[4:41] financially. It may be something they
[4:43] may not like, but it would not
[4:45] necessarily have a large financial
[4:47] impact on a short-term rental operator.
[4:50] Again, this is just a non-consecutive
[4:54] five. I just want to make sure that it's
[4:56] understood.
[5:00] Um,
[5:02] some of the pros again are it helps
[5:06] preserve the housing stock for long-term
[5:08] residents because again, one of the ways
[5:10] you'd want to make sure that short-term
[5:12] rentals aren't being used as a way to
[5:15] provide, you know, student housing. Um,
[5:18] also,
[5:20] um, the negative side to this is it
[5:23] would increase a little bit of
[5:24] complexity about enforcement. It would
[5:26] require short-term uh rental operators
[5:29] to provide uh records of their bookings
[5:32] when they come in for renewal to show
[5:34] that they were in compliance with uh
[5:36] this provision. So again adds a little
[5:38] bit of complexity and that would be the
[5:40] negative on that.
[5:43] Um, another provision that we wanted to
[5:47] present to the council is there has been
[5:51] uh several interi individuals who've
[5:52] come in at personal appearances or
[5:55] who've met with myself um or city
[5:59] council members and have expressed well
[6:01] I thought I was doing everything right.
[6:03] I thought I had done what I was required
[6:05] of me. I came in, I obtained a a
[6:07] license.
[6:09] Um albeit that license was for a rental
[6:11] dwelling license, which is different
[6:13] than a short-term rental license. Um but
[6:16] nonetheless, uh there was a request of
[6:18] is there any sort of provision that
[6:20] could be uh put in place that would aid
[6:23] or help individuals that found
[6:25] themselves in that situation. And what
[6:28] we've crafted here is what we would
[6:31] consider a legacy status of those that
[6:34] could show uh the following uh that they
[6:37] were in prior operation uh prior to
[6:40] January 1st of 2025.
[6:42] Now that date um I picked that date here
[6:45] and that we could subject to obviously
[6:48] the council um but the reason I picked
[6:50] that date was by January 1st of 2025
[6:54] there were already several ongoing
[6:56] discussions and council meetings and
[6:58] work sessions that
[7:01] short-term rentals were prohibited under
[7:04] our land use code. And so it would
[7:08] basically create a clean line between
[7:10] when the council was being educated on
[7:12] what the status of the law was and when
[7:15] people had been operating uh by their
[7:18] perspective in good faith. The second is
[7:21] they could show some sort of
[7:23] documentation that they obtained a valid
[7:26] rental dwelling license from the city
[7:28] prior to January 1st of 2025.
[7:32] Uh the third is that they were in
[7:34] continuous activity that they they can
[7:35] show us that they had listed the
[7:37] property, they had been using the
[7:39] property as a short-term rental on on
[7:42] one of the, you know, platforms out
[7:44] there for the short-term rentals. And
[7:47] fourth, that they were in compliance
[7:50] with the tax provision. So they could
[7:51] provide us documentation showing that
[7:54] they've been paying the transient room
[7:56] tax, sales tax, or any other appropriate
[7:59] tax needed to be Um, what that would
[8:02] allow them to do is potentially have
[8:05] them be exempted from a more ownorous
[8:10] restriction as it came to density
[8:12] requirements. As we've talked about in
[8:14] previous work sessions, we've talked
[8:17] about um short-term rentals being, you
[8:20] know, no closer than 1,000 ft together.
[8:23] And we've talked about potential
[8:25] numerical caps. Um, what you could do is
[8:28] you could have a numerical cap of say 30
[8:32] um or 20 uh short-term rentals.
[8:36] And if um those licenses have been used
[8:39] up, then you wouldn't be issuing any new
[8:41] licenses for non-owner occupied
[8:45] short-term rentals. But what the legacy
[8:47] status would allow is somebody who falls
[8:50] into that category to still obtain their
[8:52] license because they fall into this
[8:55] category over and above those 20 or 30
[8:58] cities. So it provides them an
[9:00] exemption.
[9:01] >> Sorry.
[9:02] >> Yeah, I'm actually I'm okay to answer a
[9:04] couple questions here
[9:06] >> because this is a little bit more
[9:07] nuanced. So what would that number
[9:09] what's the approximate number that
[9:11] potentially could be at that? So there's
[9:12] the 20 or 30 of the non and then what
[9:15] would this for example?
[9:18] >> I don't know that number. Um that number
[9:21] um
[9:22] >> could vary quite a bit.
[9:24] >> Thank you.
[9:24] >> Um because we've never really tracked
[9:27] short-term rentals.
[9:28] >> So but so the scenario you're explaining
[9:31] then you as a council could set density
[9:34] requirements. Those would could be based
[9:37] on this part overruled
[9:41] by including some legacy status people.
[9:44] But you're so you're
[9:47] >> you're saying legacy status is above and
[9:49] beyond not already included in the
[9:52] density.
[9:55] >> So what what this would do is it would
[9:57] provide an exemption to those that can
[9:59] fit within this legacy status. So you you choose prohibition one density
[10:06] or numerical prohibition and then if if
[10:10] individuals if the council were to
[10:11] choose to go this route, if individuals
[10:14] were able to show that they fit within
[10:16] this category, then we would provide
[10:19] them a license even though they would be
[10:22] otherwise restricted.
[10:23] >> So why wouldn't you already include it
[10:25] in the density?
[10:27] Have them be the first level already
[10:28] approved in the density numbers? Part of
[10:31] the reason you would you wouldn't do
[10:33] that is um
[10:36] you're going to have short-term rentals
[10:38] already that are in violation of that
[10:40] density.
[10:42] Um
[10:43] >> and then you just they they lose their
[10:45] legacy. It's just like
[10:47] legal non-conforming. You just lose it
[10:49] once you stop doing it.
[10:51] >> Correct. If they if somebody was to lose
[10:53] their legacy status, they have their
[10:55] license revoked or they failed to renew
[10:57] it or they stop or they sell the home,
[11:01] then they would lose that legacy status.
[11:03] And yes, from then going forward, if
[11:05] there's a density prohibition or
[11:07] numerical cap, they would whoever owned
[11:09] that or if they were trying to reup it,
[11:11] they would not be able to obtain that
[11:12] license again.
[11:15] Um, what it does not provide is it does
[11:18] not provide any land use right. It
[11:20] doesn't create a transferable right nor
[11:23] does it limit the city council's ability
[11:25] to come back and change the program or
[11:27] the requirements of this program. What
[11:30] we are trying to do in essence is
[11:32] provide some sort of uh equity or you
[11:36] know fairness to situations where people
[11:39] feel like you know the city might be
[11:41] pulling the rug out from underneath
[11:43] them. Bren did you have a question?
[11:46] >> Yeah. just that um
[11:49] this uh they'd still have to come up to
[11:51] all other standards that would be
[11:54] identified by by the city. Right.
[11:57] >> Correct.
[11:58] >> I just want to clarify fe since you said
[12:01] you would take questions this with the
[12:04] sale of the property
[12:06] if it's over the cap that is no longer
[12:10] allowed to be a short-term rental. So
[12:12] there's not going to be creating we're
[12:13] not creating a market for legacy status
[12:17] short-term rentals to be sold,
[12:19] >> right,
[12:20] >> in the community. It's if you sell the
[12:22] property, then it's not if the density,
[12:26] whatever it is, it's gone,
[12:28] >> right? Because this license is not a
[12:30] transferable license. None of the
[12:32] short-term rental licenses would be
[12:33] transferable.
[12:35] Okay.
[12:37] Any other questions or desires for me to
[12:41] clarify what this provision may or may
[12:43] not do
[12:44] >> other than the legacy? Would they be
[12:46] also required to pay the same annual
[12:49] fees that everyone else would, which
[12:51] will be quite a bit more than anything
[12:52] we've ever done before to cover the cost
[12:54] of our enforcement and everything else
[12:57] we have to do with them?
[12:58] >> Yes. So, at legacy status, uh,
[13:02] short-term rental operator would still
[13:04] have to annually obtain the short-term
[13:06] rental license. They would have to meet
[13:09] every other regulation on the books for
[13:11] short-term rentals, including the quiet
[13:14] hours, occupancy, parking requirements,
[13:16] all of those other things.
[13:18] Jeff, you
[13:19] >> I'm hold my question till later because
[13:20] it may be answered down the road. So,
[13:23] I'll
[13:27] » have a question. Yes, Jen.
[13:29] >> Um, can you just help me understand the
[13:31] logic of or why the evidence of continue
[13:35] continuous listing on STR?
[13:38] >> Just how are you thinking about that?
[13:41] >> The thinking is we want to make sure
[13:42] that these are individuals that truly
[13:44] were operating as a short-term rental as
[13:47] opposed to an individual who came in,
[13:48] obtained a long-term
[13:51] uh long-term rental license, and now
[13:53] want to convert over to a short-term
[13:55] rental operation.
[13:57] Okay, thank you.
[14:04] » Um, as we talked about, one of the
[14:06] things um, the council had expressed was
[14:11] trying to make this be a sustainable
[14:15] um, program. How do you make it
[14:17] sustainable? What are the costs, the
[14:19] actual costs that this program would
[14:20] call um, the city would incur? Um, how
[14:24] do we fund this type of a program?
[14:27] I work with u staff on management
[14:30] services and we've identified you know
[14:34] potential positions that may be hired
[14:36] need to be hired or expanded and this
[14:39] really kind of depends a little bit on
[14:41] where the council wants to go how how
[14:44] proactive the city council wants the
[14:46] city to go and how expansive the program
[14:49] becomes. If you go non-owner occupied,
[14:52] it's obviously going to be a much more
[14:53] expensive program than if it just stays
[14:55] at owner occupied as as opposed to also
[14:58] a ban. Um, but looking at just the
[15:02] overhead salary cost, a level one NIT
[15:06] officer, the cost of the city would be
[15:08] roughly $65,000.
[15:11] Uh, for an associate planner, the
[15:13] overhead would be $75,000.
[15:16] So, if you were to add one one planner
[15:18] and one officer, and the reason you'd
[15:20] add a planner is to help with the
[15:22] inspection, uh the paperwork, the
[15:25] licensing, all of that's going to fall
[15:27] within community development
[15:29] departments. Um, and then the officer
[15:32] obviously to help with the enforcement,
[15:33] that comes to about $141,000.
[15:37] Um, if you were to add two NIT officers
[15:39] and the planner, you're looking at
[15:40] closer to $210,000.
[15:43] Um, again, it really just depends on how
[15:46] many licenses. You could take that
[15:47] number, divide it by the number of
[15:49] projected licenses and say, well, this
[15:51] is the cost of enforcing and regulating
[15:53] the program, so our fee is going to be
[15:56] X. Um, if you're going to take that 210
[16:00] and you're going to say roughly if we
[16:02] had 250, just even taking the number
[16:04] that's been thrown out there for how
[16:05] many short-term rental uh rental
[16:08] operations are out there, that fee is
[16:11] going to be around the $800.
[16:14] So, it's going to be substantially
[16:15] higher than what you see the comparable
[16:18] cities.
[16:19] Um, so ways that we would try to
[16:21] validate is we would we would pull our ordinance. We'd provide it to uh
[16:28] Lewis Roberts and Birmingham LRB. We'd
[16:30] have them do a fee study. What we'd want
[16:33] to do is again at the roll out point is
[16:36] to pick and say we think this is a fair
[16:38] number, a reasonable fair number to
[16:40] charge initially and then we have LRB
[16:43] move forward and validate it for moving
[16:45] forward in ongoing years for what our
[16:48] fee should be to operate this type of a
[16:50] program. As you can see, um, fees vary
[16:54] quite drastically throughout the loss at
[16:57] Toronto. Um, Lehi being one of the
[17:00] lower, um, at 190 and Logan being 575.
[17:06] Also, something to consider about
[17:07] Logan's is they also have a conditional
[17:09] use permit requirement on over and above
[17:12] his license. So, their fees may want to
[17:16] put an asterisk next to that. They're
[17:17] probably a little bit higher. But then
[17:19] you notice the renewal fee drops off
[17:21] quite drastically for Logan.
[17:24] Um I don't know that that would be
[17:26] appropriate because this is something
[17:27] that we would want to have as an ongoing
[17:30] program. Enforcement is going to be
[17:31] ongoing. It's not just a one-time
[17:34] inspection and everything is fine. Um,
[17:38] another thing to consider here is as we
[17:43] move forward with this type of a program
[17:45] is we want to make sure that any STR
[17:49] that is operating
[17:51] um is correctly identifying the property
[17:53] that is being used with the Utah County
[17:56] Tax Assessor. Um, if, for example,
[18:00] they're living in the ADU portion and
[18:02] the primary residence is being
[18:05] short-term rented, I think it would be
[18:07] appropriate to make sure that that
[18:09] portion of the property is not receiving
[18:12] the primary residence exception under
[18:15] the property taxes. Uh likewise, if it
[18:18] is a whole home rental, again, we want
[18:22] to ensure that that home is being
[18:24] correctly represented on the tax records
[18:27] as as a commercial investment as opposed
[18:30] to a primary residence.
[18:32] um that number gets a little bit, you
[18:35] know, it's not going to necessarily help
[18:39] with the financing the program itself,
[18:41] but it would be something that we'd want
[18:42] to make sure is reflected for all
[18:44] taxpayers and their tax burden.
[18:48] Um,
[18:50] so these are all of the very nuanced
[18:53] provisions that I wanted to go over.
[18:57] at this point
[18:59] wanted to identify the areas of
[19:01] consensus
[19:03] where I believe we have consensus and
[19:05] where we may not have consensus. So I'm
[19:08] going to go back through the
[19:10] presentation
[19:11] and as we have questions feel free to
[19:13] ask the questions as we go. I want to
[19:15] ensure that we have a good bearing on
[19:18] where we want to go.
[19:21] >> Jake,
[19:21] >> yes. for the portion that you presented
[19:23] on. Are questions on that portion
[19:24] appropriate now or do you want
[19:26] >> Yes, absolutely. I'll take any
[19:27] questions.
[19:29] >> Um, can you help me understand uh the um
[19:33] 5day dormcy requirement a little bit
[19:36] more? I just need to understand the
[19:38] logic of why
[19:41] we're worried about student housing
[19:42] there and if we have evidence that
[19:45] that's been done before. Um, that's
[19:49] question number one.
[19:50] >> And I don't have any anecdotal evidence.
[19:52] I can't point you to one property that
[19:54] has been used as student housing. I'm
[19:57] just um sensitive to those homes that
[20:00] are near UDU.
[20:03] Um, and if somebody were to obtain a
[20:05] short-term rental license and then
[20:07] artificially lower the rent um, in such
[20:12] a way because I would say on a nightly
[20:15] basis, I don't think, you know, market
[20:17] markets being what markets are, it would
[20:19] bear out that somebody would want to
[20:21] rent it nightly housing, but if somebody
[20:24] were to artificially lower that uh, so
[20:27] they could then in essence rent it out
[20:29] to six students,
[20:31] um, this would be a way to pre present
[20:33] that prevent that from happening.
[20:36] That is the thinking. There were
[20:38] concerns raised um earlier in the
[20:41] drafting of the ordinance about somebody
[20:43] trying to use this as a way to
[20:45] circumvent our student housing zone, but
[20:48] we don't think that's happened yet. I
[20:50] haven't had any uh particular cases
[20:53] brought to our attention.
[20:55] And it's not really necessarily just
[20:56] student housing. Could be anybody. If
[20:58] we're setting our cap at eight unrelated
[21:00] people occupancy, right now it's three.
[21:03] Somebody could potentially use this as
[21:05] an end of round to say, "Okay, I'm just
[21:07] going to start renting to eight people."
[21:09] Requiring them to have the fiveday
[21:11] vacancies ensures that you can't really
[21:13] do that. It's really truly a short-term
[21:15] rental.
[21:16] >> And how did you come to five days versus
[21:18] two over three or 10?
[21:20] I I was looking at the what I could see
[21:25] doing research uh online as to what the
[21:28] average occupancy rates are for
[21:31] short-term rentals and trying to use the
[21:33] natural occupancy rate that already
[21:36] exists out there so as to not negatively
[21:39] impact short-term rental operators. But
[21:42] 5 days would would in essence prevent
[21:45] somebody from renting long-term but not
[21:48] necessarily financially impact a
[21:50] short-term rental operator.
[21:53] >> Would this be for just non-owner
[21:55] occupied or would it be owner occupied
[21:57] as well?
[21:58] >> This would mean either
[22:01] >> or both.
[22:02] >> Yes.
[22:03] >> Okay. Thank you.
[22:04] Um, what one uh piece of data I would
[22:07] like to get if we can um is that I know platforms like Airbnb have a
[22:15] monthly rental option uh where you can
[22:17] rent for a whole month, right? And that
[22:20] would essentially preclude that option
[22:23] if we did this. And I would just be
[22:24] interested in knowing how many of our
[22:26] STR SDR operators actually use that if
[22:29] it happens. uh if it doesn't happen then
[22:32] and with the occupancy rates you're
[22:33] talking about maybe it doesn't matter to
[22:36] them. Um but I I could imagine a world
[22:40] in which it might matter to them.
[22:45] Thanks for being thoughtful about that.
[22:48] Um a second question is on the other uh
[22:52] piece
[22:54] the leg uh uh yeah the leg sorry the uh
[22:58] no not the legacy status the next one
[23:01] >> code enforcement
[23:03] how did we come up with an estimate that
[23:06] we might need another nit officer and
[23:08] another associate planner I'm trying to
[23:10] figure out how how we do the labor math
[23:12] on that and and you mentioned that we
[23:14] don't have an ordinance so it might be
[23:16] hard to calculate but I'm just curious
[23:18] as to uh the logic behind that.
[23:23] >> Going off of current case load for our
[23:26] NIT officers. If we were to open this
[23:29] regulation, I would anticipate we would
[23:31] need one NIT officer at least
[23:34] uh to build additional phone calls,
[23:37] emails, and compliance uh calls.
[23:42] that just is a natural feel based on
[23:45] talking to our NIT officers as well as
[23:49] um Jennick's team put together as far as
[23:52] case load associate planner um maybe
[23:55] Gary can speak to this but with our
[23:57] licensing I would anticipate this would
[23:59] be an increased uh resource um needed
[24:03] within the community development office.
[24:06] >> It really depends on the direction the
[24:08] council goes. If you
[24:11] have a licensing program with uh
[24:14] short-term rentals and it's short-term
[24:17] rentals alone, if there are annual
[24:20] inspections and things like that,
[24:24] probably wouldn't have NIT that they
[24:27] would be handling the enforcement. I
[24:29] would need a planner in who would help
[24:32] with business licensing to do some of
[24:35] that. Uh so it it depends on the
[24:39] regulations that the council puts on. If
[24:42] it's just get a license and we never
[24:45] think about it again, n then probably
[24:47] not. But if it's let's do inspections,
[24:51] let's have
[24:53] things like that. And if we increase it
[24:57] to doing uh some sort of rental
[25:02] licensing that's a little beyond what
[25:05] we're doing now, then yeah, we'll we'll
[25:09] need somebody. So, it's up to you.
[25:12] >> Okay. If I could just say way before I
[25:15] move on to the question is um as we've
[25:18] talked about different provisions, some
[25:20] of the things that we've talked about
[25:21] here are parking command. We would want
[25:24] somebody in community development if if
[25:26] that was a requirement to put eyes on
[25:28] that parking plan and make sure that it
[25:30] truly is a functioning working parking
[25:32] plan. Um, our ordinance does contemplate
[25:36] inspections. Um, it also contemplates
[25:39] coordination with uh validating or
[25:42] corroborating property records to make
[25:44] sure that they're the owner if we're
[25:46] doing owner occupy. So, I think there
[25:48] really would be a pull on community
[25:51] development to have an associate planner
[25:54] there to put eyes on those. And if I may
[25:58] add to that, Jake, I mean, this isn't
[26:02] complete without some president. When we
[26:04] did our landlord licensing process
[26:08] for many years ago, we added a couple of
[26:11] personnel.
[26:12] Now, I'd also say we're not trying to
[26:16] suggest this is going to be locked in,
[26:18] >> right? Like we'll we always do we'll
[26:21] evaluate
[26:23] the process the process and we'll map it
[26:26] out and we'll and there are software
[26:29] solutions that help with that. Of
[26:31] course, we'll we'll look at that. you
[26:33] know, maybe it maybe it's hiring two
[26:36] seasonal NIT code enforcement instead of
[26:40] one full, you know, we'll we'll go
[26:42] through that detail assessment and we'll
[26:44] uh we'll lean on LRB to help make sure
[26:48] that there is a rational nexus between
[26:51] the cost and the fees.
[26:53] >> That's good. The the thing that I was
[26:54] trying to figure out in my head is how
[26:56] much of this is already happening within
[26:58] it, right? in versus how much burden are
[27:00] we now expecting put on that is not
[27:03] being done right now.
[27:05] >> So that
[27:06] >> for us too there are some unknowns there
[27:09] but also we're trying to anticipate
[27:12] there could be some efficiencies gained
[27:14] in if if what is decided by the council
[27:17] on the short-term rentals affects how we
[27:20] license long-term rentals as well. And
[27:23] so there there could be some joint work
[27:26] in that regard. And so then some of the
[27:29] costs could be spread across both of
[27:32] those fee revenues in in that event.
[27:35] >> I think that I appreciate this. I think
[27:38] one of the uh concerns that I've heard
[27:40] from the community is that if we did do
[27:42] short-term rentals that we don't have
[27:45] currently have the bandwidth to do the
[27:47] level of enforcement or license or
[27:50] regulation.
[27:51] This is a very regulatory intense
[27:55] process, especially if if the council
[27:58] adopts something involving the legacy
[28:01] because at that front end, you're going
[28:03] to have a lot of people coming in trying
[28:06] to provide information to show that they
[28:08] are that they were in in existence
[28:11] before. And then going forward, you are
[28:15] going to have a lot of a lot of
[28:18] regulatory work. And I think that it's
[28:21] important to have that regulatory work.
[28:24] I also think that it's important that
[28:27] those who have short-term rentals bear
[28:30] the financial burden of having that
[28:34] regulatory work because
[28:37] they're they're the ones who are have
[28:40] that's that's the use that has created
[28:41] this extra workload and I think that
[28:44] they need to they need to uh pay for
[28:47] that.
[28:49] Jeff,
[28:49] >> and I have a one of my questions that would attach to that is so with the
[28:57] um
[29:00] would those who have enforcement
[29:03] infractions,
[29:06] obviously they're going to pay for those
[29:08] infractions, right? So would that be
[29:10] taken into account for the upfront? We
[29:12] don't know what that's going to be,
[29:13] right? We hope that there in a perfect
[29:15] world there would be no infractions.
[29:18] Um, so would that just be I guess my
[29:22] question is
[29:24] that money would not focus on the
[29:27] upfront cost. That would just be
[29:30] additional for continued enforcement
[29:33] above and beyond what we're already
[29:34] planning on.
[29:35] >> I think you'd also have to identify that
[29:37] there's going to be other added costs by
[29:40] the enforcement itself. the minute that
[29:43] we site somebody and then we end up
[29:45] going to the ALJ, we're also paying for
[29:47] an administrative law judge to hear that
[29:49] case. And so those those fees that we
[29:55] collect through the ALJ don't
[29:57] necessarily always cover the cost of the
[29:59] ALJ process itself.
[30:01] >> And and I guess that was the the next
[30:03] step of that question. So these fees
[30:05] would then cover the other outward
[30:08] ripples, right, from that enforcement
[30:10] for the infraction,
[30:12] >> correct? Okay. Can I ask another
[30:14] question going back to the two-tier
[30:16] regulation?
[30:18] Um, what about the case of a an heir? If
[30:22] a mother and father will that home to a
[30:25] child,
[30:27] would that be transferable?
[30:30] >> Not currently as as I have it drafted.
[30:32] Um, again, if the council were wanting
[30:34] to go that direction, but I would again
[30:38] I would define it as any transfer of the
[30:41] property that there is no transference
[30:44] of that right that that new owner
[30:46] whether it be an heir or a new buyer has
[30:49] to come in and apply for that license
[30:52] separately as themselves.
[30:55] >> But then if the new buyer comes in Oh,
[30:59] never mind. That's you're talking about
[31:00] if it wasn't a short-term rental to
[31:01] begin with. No, I'm talking about if it
[31:03] was a short-term rental.
[31:03] >> Short-term rental, then the new buyer
[31:05] just gets put into the probably the
[31:07] bottom of the the list and then as as
[31:10] licenses, they don't get any preference
[31:13] because
[31:14] of of the legacy status
[31:16] >> along those lines. What if the home is
[31:18] in a trust?
[31:19] >> So, we we account for that currently
[31:22] um in our definition of an owner. Um if
[31:26] you are
[31:29] beneficiary
[31:30] trust um and you have 51%
[31:35] um interest in that trust then you could
[31:38] count as an owner.
[31:43] » Whoa. Hold on a minute. Back up the
[31:45] truck.
[31:48] >> Because oftenimes people will put their
[31:50] property in the trust.
[31:52] Um,
[31:53] >> so then we've totally lost our licensing
[31:55] ability because it is now a financial it
[31:57] is now a business venture that can be
[31:59] willed and transferred through a trust.
[32:02] So we we have lost our our licensing
[32:05] ability
[32:06] >> at the time the the license is created.
[32:09] If it isn't a trust and it's in their
[32:11] name it's tied to the person that's the
[32:13] trustee.
[32:16] So
[32:18] I'm
[32:20] >> you have multiple trustees. You're
[32:21] saying if one trustee has 51%
[32:29] » they come back to our definition of
[32:32] here. So this is
[32:36] >> so they would have to at the time they
[32:38] obtain their license they would have to
[32:41] show that property is in a trust and
[32:44] that they have over 50% interest in that
[32:47] trust.
[32:50] as the beneficiary.
[32:52] >> As the beneficiary
[32:53] >> want to pay multiple beneficiaries and
[32:54] together they make 50%. Does it have to
[32:57] be a single beneficiary?
[32:58] >> Has to be a single beneficiary.
[33:02] >> Rightart. Sorry.
[33:08] » Well, is that a loophole?
[33:09] >> I don't believe so. We use that
[33:12] definition elsewhere.
[33:14] So,
[33:16] >> well, but we're establishing a financial
[33:19] venture in perpetuity.
[33:21] >> No, we are not.
[33:23] >> If if How are we not?
[33:26] >> So, you want to
[33:28] >> Yeah, I actually think this is a really
[33:29] good question because
[33:31] >> the other person there.
[33:33] >> Yes. I mean let's take a typical
[33:34] situation where you maybe have a family
[33:36] trust let's say and you know uh two
[33:38] parents mother and father you know they
[33:40] set up a trust and usually they're the
[33:42] beneficiaries until they die and then
[33:44] you know the kids become the
[33:46] beneficiaries and sometimes those trusts
[33:47] can keep operating even after the
[33:50] initial beneficiaries die right I think
[33:52] that's the situation you're kind of
[33:54] talking about that that trust continued
[33:56] to you know run an Airbnb short-term
[33:59] rental um even after the the two
[34:02] principles have passed on. That's the
[34:04] question. Maybe we need to just better
[34:06] define in that scenario um that even if
[34:09] the trust is still in existence, if the
[34:12] primary beneficiaries or the original
[34:13] beneficiaries have passed on, then that
[34:16] right is lost. It doesn't the trust
[34:18] doesn't get to continue operating. I'd
[34:19] >> be comfortable with that.
[34:20] >> That would be an option. I'm not saying
[34:22] do that. I'm just saying that's an
[34:23] option. So
[34:24] >> preferred
[34:26] >> other otherwise everybody just puts them
[34:27] in a trust and then you have all these
[34:30] homes that are in trust and we can't
[34:31] regulate.
[34:32] >> We're stuck.
[34:33] >> It could last for a long time.
[34:35] >> Every time they change beneficiaries
[34:36] with that they're rental license then.
[34:40] >> Well,
[34:41] >> I mean that that's something we could we
[34:43] could address it that way if we wanted
[34:44] to. assess.
[34:46] >> Okay.
[34:48] >> I know a community that they required
[34:51] you to be the trust and the beneficiary.
[34:55] So for instance, my wife and I if we
[34:57] wanted to do this, we would create the
[35:00] McIn family trust. We would both be
[35:02] trusts because we own the home and we
[35:05] would be beneficiaries of that trust for
[35:08] estate planning purposes. my children,
[35:11] they may be beneficiaries, but they
[35:13] would not be the trust.
[35:16] And so, you have to fill both roles. So,
[35:18] there's ways around this to make it work
[35:22] if that's a concern.
[35:27] » That's concern for me. I don't know. Is
[35:29] it a concern for folks? I think having
[35:32] good language would makes it less
[35:34] concerning. Yes. Any
[35:39] other questions? As
[35:40] >> some questions. Will you go to your fees
[35:43] um slide?
[35:46] >> Um so NIT officers. So that's got to be
[35:51] just salary. That's not including
[35:53] benefits.
[35:54] >> That that is
[35:56] >> I feel like we need to cost of an
[35:58] employee.
[36:00] >> That is the overhead
[36:02] or salary and benefit for starting an IT
[36:05] officer. want.
[36:08] >> So that's pay and benefits, right? So
[36:11] >> pay them 20 25 bucks an hour and then
[36:14] they're bene they don't have they're not
[36:16] a they're not a postcertified police
[36:19] officer. They don't have the same
[36:21] retirement. So
[36:25] » that seems super low.
[36:29] >> That is what our
[36:31] these are the numbers I I obtained from
[36:33] our
[36:34] team. So, yes,
[36:37] >> I I think the point is that I think
[36:39] we're going to look at have LRB do an
[36:40] analysis because we don't know if it's
[36:42] really going to take full-time people or
[36:44] if it's going to be a third or half time
[36:45] or whatever. They'll do that analysis.
[36:47] They'll take the numbers. So, the these
[36:49] aren't set in stone.
[36:50] >> So, okay,
[36:51] >> what what I'm trying to show by these
[36:53] numbers is potential costs. So if my
[36:56] benefits for my salary are three times
[36:59] if I end up with three times what my
[37:01] original salary is, how is what is what
[37:04] is their salary only?
[37:07] >> I would look it up for you, but I don't
[37:08] want to necessarily go into it. Why am I
[37:10] sharing my screen?
[37:12] It's
[37:13] >> I mean you see my question here.
[37:15] >> I'm really
[37:15] >> number I'm presenting here is both
[37:17] salary and benefits. And for the
[37:19] planner, I can tell you that's
[37:23] that looks right to me as a planner one
[37:25] step one very
[37:28] entry level adding their benefits.
[37:31] usually are close to a third.
[37:34] >> So I get it. So maybe we should do a
[37:37] five-year employee,
[37:39] >> someone who because you know I guess
[37:41] you're saying we put people here and
[37:42] then as they approve themselves they
[37:45] advance
[37:46] >> and we can raise the fee.
[37:47] >> Yeah. too, I think. But yeah, you're
[37:49] that's a good point.
[37:50] >> We need just need to make sure it
[37:52] reflects what we're paying
[37:53] >> using averages. Should we use an average
[37:57] >> cost? I was just going to say for fire
[37:59] prevention fees, we adjust the cost
[38:02] every single year based off the
[38:04] increased scale with the step program
[38:06] with our inspector.
[38:07] >> Oh, okay. So, it's something.
[38:09] >> So, as long as that's transparent for
[38:10] these licenses, I'm I just want to be I
[38:13] just don't want them to think that, you
[38:15] know, oh, the fee jumped up 20%. Well,
[38:18] because our employees now worth more and
[38:20] they're paying them more.
[38:23] >> And again, yeah, this is just a starting
[38:25] point. We'll want to go through and make
[38:27] sure that we're doing it in the most
[38:29] efficient and effective way, too. It it
[38:31] may be that it's best to get a few
[38:36] seasonal or part-time code enforcement
[38:39] rather than one full-time, right? We may
[38:42] be able to get a little more done that
[38:43] way. We just haven't done that analysis
[38:46] yet.
[38:47] >> Right.
[38:48] >> Well, again, what I was trying to prove
[38:50] and I guess not
[38:52] >> have done very well here is
[38:54] >> even at entry level with two individuals
[38:56] or three individuals, that fee that we
[39:00] would impose on a short-term rental is
[39:03] going to be substantially higher than
[39:05] the comparable fees.
[39:07] >> That was what I wanted to show.
[39:08] >> Perfect. and my other question. So, just
[39:10] to clarify because I've had these
[39:11] questions, um, this fee, even though our
[39:15] NIT is under our police, this will not
[39:18] be coming out of our public safety
[39:21] fund. This will be paid under what fund?
[39:24] Fellow services. How are we paying this?
[39:26] >> If I mean, obviously, the associate
[39:28] planner would come out of uh general
[39:31] fund there and it I'm not sure what
[39:34] bucket of money that is that also
[39:36] general fund.
[39:38] We put the code enforcement officer uh
[39:40] under police and so that would be paid
[39:43] for through the special revenue public
[39:46] safety special revenue fund but the
[39:48] revenue source
[39:50] >> but we'll have the transparency showing
[39:51] that they are paying themselves. Yes,
[39:54] that's just the question I
[39:57] >> would identify the revenue source would
[39:59] be this fee this short-term this
[40:02] landlord licensing fee. Then your legacy
[40:05] status. Go to that slide please for me.
[40:08] So valid where was the valid renting
[40:11] license
[40:13] show that they already had a valid
[40:15] >> documentation. Number two documentation
[40:17] of a valid city of warm rental dwelling
[40:20] license.
[40:20] >> Okay. So is that different from being
[40:23] certified as an ADU?
[40:26] >> Uh it is an ADU license is or an ADU um
[40:32] what do we call it? license for ADU or
[40:33] ADU approval is very different than the
[40:35] rental dwelling license.
[40:37] >> Kind of talk about those two just so
[40:38] we're informing our public here. You can
[40:40] have an ADU and not have a long-term
[40:42] rental license because we charge a
[40:44] onetime fee. You just explain how that
[40:47] works. So on the record for that
[40:50] >> Gary, would you explain the process
[40:52] because I'm not as familiar with the ADU
[40:54] licensing process. Yeah, with the ADU
[40:58] process, you come in and
[41:01] uh let's say you're the single family
[41:06] home. You live there, you want to create
[41:08] an ADU
[41:10] uh in your home. Um you come in, you
[41:13] make an application, we go in and and we
[41:16] have requirements in the code that that
[41:20] ADU needs needs to meet. We'll go in,
[41:23] we'll do a zoning review of it, we do a
[41:26] building code uh review of it, and then
[41:30] at the end of that process, you can get
[41:34] an uh license and it's a license ADU and
[41:38] but the intent of it is not for
[41:40] short-term rentals less than 30 days.
[41:43] It's 30 days or longer is
[41:46] >> so when um
[41:49] >> I was just saying but that license is
[41:51] different. That is just the permission
[41:52] to establish the property to dwellings,
[41:56] >> but then they pay a rental license every
[41:59] year.
[42:00] >> Correct.
[42:00] >> So, um,
[42:02] >> that's our land license that's 30 days
[42:05] long.
[42:05] >> But is that, help me remember, is that
[42:08] for the basement ADUs or did we pass
[42:11] something where they only pay that once?
[42:13] >> Correct. Correct.
[42:14] >> So, we need to change that then.
[42:17] I suppose if they've been switch it to a
[42:20] short-term rental.
[42:22] >> So, how are they showing that they
[42:25] >> it's owner occupied?
[42:26] >> How how how are the owner occupied? How
[42:28] are you going to delineate them? Because
[42:30] they um haven't paid every year. They
[42:33] don't they're not going to be able to
[42:34] document. They're going to document.
[42:36] >> What we are requiring here is not the
[42:38] ADU license. We are requiring the rental
[42:41] dwelling license.
[42:42] >> Okay. Perfect.
[42:44] So, if it's an owner occupied and
[42:46] they're using their ADU, they should
[42:49] have obtained
[42:52] a rolling license. Okay. Thank you for
[42:53] clarifying that.
[42:54] >> What you know, three years old since
[42:57] >> Uhhuh. But they didn't.
[43:01] >> Well, oh, go. Oh, I'm sorry.
[43:03] >> Wait a minute. So, um, do we not require
[43:06] rental licenses to be renewed early?
[43:08] >> We do. We require I
[43:11] >> not if it's a
[43:12] >> you're the loophole is what I'm trying
[43:13] to say.
[43:14] >> Not if the owner occupied any but the if
[43:16] you're rent if you're renting the whole
[43:18] home it is an annual $55 rental dwelling
[43:22] license.
[43:22] >> So but in this
[43:24] they would still be a they they should
[43:26] still be able to meet one three and
[43:28] four.
[43:30] >> I would anticipate they still even if
[43:31] they're renting the basement they still
[43:33] should be able to meet 1 2 3 and four.
[43:36] >> Okay. So I guess I'm thinking out loud
[43:37] here. will fix that problem with the ADU
[43:39] not having to get a rental license every
[43:41] year by
[43:43] them having to prove that they were a
[43:45] short-term rental because they're going
[43:46] to be doing 1, three, and four,
[43:48] providing documentation for 1, three,
[43:50] and four. If
[43:53] >> then I'm going to clarify this. If they
[43:57] are operating or had operated as a
[43:59] short-term rental prior to January 1st,
[44:02] 2025
[44:03] for them to get a legacy status, they
[44:06] would have to show all one, two, three,
[44:08] and four regardless if it was a home
[44:10] whole home. Okay.
[44:12] >> Or if it was a basement.
[44:15] >> Yeah. So they have to meet all four.
[44:17] >> And my last thing is um
[44:21] So, this you started off by saying, you
[44:24] know, this is for the people that said,
[44:26] "I thought I was doing everything
[44:28] right."
[44:30] Um, the fairness
[44:34] uh status regulation is what this one is
[44:37] basically. So, I guess I'm just going to
[44:40] make a comment. I think that people
[44:42] living in the neighborhood, buying a
[44:44] home in a neighborhood that they thought
[44:47] was homes
[44:49] residential, not commercial enterprises,
[44:52] also thought they were doing everything
[44:54] right, buying their home in the right
[44:56] place. And I'm just thinking of the
[44:59] woman who said she has short-term
[45:00] rentals on both sides of her, you know.
[45:02] So, this will essentially or and the
[45:04] other woman who said she had three on
[45:06] her street. So, this essentially gives
[45:08] no relief to those people
[45:12] because we're we are grandfathering them
[45:14] in.
[45:15] >> Well, no, we are not grandfathering them
[45:17] in. There is no uh legal non-conforming
[45:20] right here. So it's not a grandfather.
[45:23] This would be providing an exemption to
[45:26] if you were to go to the non owner
[45:30] occupied option.
[45:32] And this would only grant an exemption
[45:34] to density and the numerical cap.
[45:37] It doesn't and that's also assuming that
[45:40] all three of those on that one street
[45:42] also had come in and reoptained a rental
[45:44] dwelling license. Um, so there there are
[45:48] ways that this still is curbing or
[45:51] pausing the growth of short-term rentals
[45:53] that are non-owner occupied while also
[45:56] giving olive branch or or mercy to those
[46:00] who thought that they were offering or
[46:02] operating uh lawfully.
[46:05] >> So what we could do too, I know we've
[46:07] talked about this before. I think I
[46:09] think it was when we met. I think it was
[46:10] I think Lenate was when you and Jake and
[46:12] I met. And I can't remember who which
[46:14] council member it was, but I'm going to
[46:17] tweak this a little bit. So, we could do
[46:20] as a council say since we don't know how
[46:22] many legacy rentals there are, but if we
[46:25] set a cap of let's say 20, we're just
[46:30] going to have 20 non-owner occupied
[46:35] rentals in the city, short-term rentals.
[46:38] Then there are ways or vehicles. We
[46:40] talked about a lottery. He talked about
[46:42] how those who maybe those who meet one
[46:45] through four put their name in a hat and then we it's so it's not a it
[46:54] doesn't have to be everybody necessarily
[46:57] but it doesn't have to be nobody. It's
[46:59] we we as a council can decide what we
[47:04] comfortable with on a non-owner occupied
[47:07] and density could also be taken into
[47:09] that consideration. location.
[47:11] >> Location. Yeah.
[47:13] >> So, Jen, I'm gonna just ask because
[47:15] Jen's not here in person. Do you have
[47:17] any questions?
[47:21] » Uh, thank you for that. No, I don't
[47:23] currently have questions. I'm just
[47:24] listening to the discussion. Thank you.
[47:26] >> Okay. Um, can I just Is there anybody
[47:29] else have questions so far about what
[47:32] new information Jake has presented to us
[47:35] today before he goes back? He's got got
[47:37] what about 12 minutes? 15. You know
[47:39] what? Sorry late got about 15 minutes
[47:42] left. I know you want to go back through
[47:43] the slides and try and reach some
[47:45] consensus on some issues.
[47:48] >> Okay,
[47:49] >> with that um I I'm going to give my
[47:53] perspective here and put myself out on
[47:55] the ledge as your trail guide. So don't
[47:58] push me over the ledge.
[48:02] But I view
[48:05] um the council as being in three very
[48:08] distinct camps. Um I feel that there are
[48:12] council members that are in camp one
[48:15] which is uh to maintain a prohibition or
[48:18] to clarify that prohibition. I feel that
[48:21] there's a second camp that is in the
[48:23] middle that feels very comfortable in
[48:25] allowing owner occupied short-term
[48:27] rentals. And then I feel that there's a
[48:29] third camp which is more open to a broad
[48:32] regulation allowing non-owner occupied
[48:35] and owner occupied. Um I don't believe
[48:39] that any one camp has a majority or
[48:42] consensus approach at this point. Is
[48:45] that does anybody disagree with that
[48:47] statement? Okay. Where there is no
[48:51] objection or disagreement. Um I do
[48:55] believe that this is the foundational
[48:56] question that has to be resolved because
[48:59] I think the other questions that are
[49:03] there will answer themselves as we move
[49:07] past that foundational question. Um I do
[49:10] believe that there is consensus as to
[49:13] qualitative controls, quiet hours, 24 uh
[49:18] 247 response requirements, enforcement
[49:21] mechanisms. There may be small
[49:23] discrepancies as to how much a fine
[49:25] should be if it's not high enough. There
[49:28] may be some smaller discrepancies in how
[49:30] we approach parking or or density. But I
[49:34] think this is the number one question
[49:37] and I think the other number two
[49:38] question is how do we address occupancy
[49:42] within whichever road you take.
[49:46] Um,
[49:48] with that being said, I am happy to come
[49:51] back to the council at a council meeting
[49:54] with competing ordinances
[49:58] um, if that is the desire of the council
[50:00] to move forward. I'm happy to work with
[50:03] council members to craft a compromise
[50:07] ordinance if that is the approach. I do
[50:10] view and again this is me standing on
[50:13] the ledge
[50:15] um I do believe that there is potential
[50:19] consensus in the area of owner occupied.
[50:24] I do believe that there is willingness
[50:26] to compromise amongst council members to
[50:29] get to an ownero occupied regulation.
[50:33] There may be a group of council members
[50:36] that are willing to expand beyond owner
[50:39] occupied to allow a limited version of
[50:42] non-owner occupied and owner occupied.
[50:46] Is that a fair statement? Is there any
[50:49] objections to what I've just laid out?
[50:54] >> So, are you asked two things there?
[50:56] >> Okay, let me ask let me ask them as as
[50:58] separate questions. Is there
[51:01] a group of council members who would
[51:04] want to see owner owner occupied only
[51:08] version of an ordinance?
[51:12] Yes,
[51:13] >> it would depend on how big the opt
[51:16] option. How many would I am firmly in
[51:19] option two
[51:21] and I'm looking over at option three but
[51:24] with a very like
[51:27] 20 at the moment just very very limited
[51:30] baby steps. Let's let's go a tiny bit.
[51:33] >> If I is there willingness of the council
[51:35] to come back for me with an only only
[51:39] owner occupied ordinance?
[51:42] >> I'm in favor of that.
[51:43] >> So if I could just maybe just Chris, how
[51:45] do you feel about that?
[51:46] >> No, I'm I'm leaning towards very limited
[51:51] but allowing some of the other.
[51:53] >> Okay, Crystal, you I believe shook your
[51:55] head. Yes. Affirmative. L same. Yeah,
[51:59] >> mayor
[52:00] >> probably would
[52:02] probably lean toward the owner occupied
[52:04] only.
[52:04] >> Okay, Jeff,
[52:06] >> uh leaning towards owner occupied, but I
[52:08] would be willing to listen to the
[52:11] discussion about a little bit of wiggle
[52:14] room. Okay. And Quinn, as to owner
[52:17] occupied only,
[52:18] >> um I'm interested in um an ordinance
[52:23] that allows limited numbers of non-owner
[52:26] occupied if we meet certain criteria.
[52:28] >> Okay.
[52:29] >> Jen puts Jen is
[52:32] >> Yeah. I'm also interested in looking at
[52:35] the third option within limited
[52:36] criteria.
[52:39] With that said,
[52:42] is it the council's desire for me to
[52:44] come back at a council meeting with
[52:46] those two competing ordinances
[52:50] for consideration?
[52:52] >> I would like a vote on option one,
[52:54] council to vote on option one also
[52:57] >> on pro from the prohibition.
[53:00] >> Oh, on a flat. Okay. You you would like
[53:02] to ask the same question but just saying
[53:05] is anybody in favor of option one?
[53:07] Correct.
[53:07] >> Okay. Okay. Let's
[53:10] >> So, so those two the council would be
[53:12] wanting me to do that. Okay. With that,
[53:15] >> is there any council members that want
[53:17] me to bring forward a prohibition
[53:20] ordinance to compete with the other two?
[53:24] >> Um, again, I'll just go through the
[53:27] list. Chris,
[53:28] >> no.
[53:28] >> Yes. Yes. No.
[53:31] >> No. No.
[53:33] >> Jen,
[53:34] >> no.
[53:36] Um
[53:38] so where there's not full I'm I don't
[53:41] anticipate bringing that forward. Um and
[53:44] just coming with the two competing or
[53:48] does how does the group feel about just
[53:50] those two
[53:52] I'm seeing some shaking heads. I'm
[53:54] seeing
[53:56] >> I want to see what you bring.
[53:57] >> I'm in favor of that. I'm in favor of
[53:58] med
[53:59] >> Yeah. We're going to get both. Okay.
[54:02] with that process. Um, how am I on time?
[54:06] >> Got 10 minutes.
[54:07] >> Um,
[54:08] with that process,
[54:11] um, is it still the council's desire to
[54:15] have a public hearing with,
[54:18] well, actually, let me take one step
[54:19] back. Do you want that conversation to
[54:22] take place in a work session or you want
[54:24] that conversation to take place in the
[54:26] regular council meeting?
[54:28] I think we'll get more done in a work
[54:30] session.
[54:32] Okay, Quinn. Jeff, I agree with that.
[54:35] >> I think we're just I think we need to
[54:37] get a few more things ironed out before
[54:39] we go to the public because I do want
[54:41] the public to weigh in.
[54:42] >> Okay,
[54:43] >> yeah, I'd like to see the We've just,
[54:46] you know, talked about all kinds of
[54:48] things. Let's let's funnel it down and
[54:50] get specific.
[54:52] >> You feel the same?
[54:53] >> I' I'd like to see I'd like to have more
[54:55] discussion in the work session, but I
[54:56] would also like to be in council session
[55:00] before
[55:01] Yeah, two of them. Yeah,
[55:03] >> Chris, agreed.
[55:06] Jan,
[55:07] >> yeah, I think we need more discussion
[55:08] and I think the work session is probably
[55:10] more productive.
[55:11] >> Okay,
[55:14] so um with that said, when would the
[55:17] council like me to come back with those
[55:20] two competing ordinances to be
[55:21] considered in the work session?
[55:25] When could you
[55:27] >> when is our next work session?
[55:30] >> It's not the It's not the 9th because
[55:34] that's that's our budget and draft and
[55:36] warmfest. So
[55:40] >> 23rd
[55:44] » be June 23rd.
[55:44] >> June 23rd next
[55:46] >> June 23rd.
[55:48] >> Is that enough time on
[55:50] >> that calendar? Okay.
[55:52] >> To make the 23rd happen.
[55:56] » Can I make one request? I would like to
[55:58] get your slides a week before.
[56:01] >> I would like to get the ordinance drafts
[56:03] to both for both out to the councils for
[56:06] consideration well before
[56:08] >> at least eight days. I need like I
[56:12] weekend or something. It's really hard
[56:13] to prep for council
[56:16] unless I'm working on my weekends.
[56:19] So will your ordinance draft include
[56:22] the in one of the or both of the
[56:24] ordinances as far as occupancy a square
[56:26] footage?
[56:28] >> Yes.
[56:28] >> Option.
[56:29] >> Yes.
[56:30] >> Okay.
[56:35] » Is there so um where I've got just a few
[56:39] minutes.
[56:40] I want to clarify
[56:43] each proposed ordinance just briefly
[56:47] for owner occupied.
[56:49] Is there anything
[56:51] in particular that the council is
[56:52] looking for in an owner occupied only
[56:56] regulation that they would like to see
[56:58] that has been discussed or has not been
[57:00] discussed?
[57:04] » Of those provisions that we've talked
[57:06] about is there something
[57:06] >> ADU make it require an ADU? Is there is
[57:09] there any strong feelings that you want
[57:12] to make sure is is included?
[57:14] >> I would like to see
[57:17] that
[57:19] Oliver must be in residence when the
[57:22] short-term rental is being rented out.
[57:27] So maybe it's owner occupied, but
[57:28] they're traveling a lot of the year or
[57:30] whatever. date.
[57:33] >> So, you want a you want an owner, you
[57:34] want a phys the physical presence of
[57:36] somebody upstairs or downstairs or
[57:37] wherever on the property
[57:40] >> available if there's a problem
[57:41] basically.
[57:43] >> I'd like it to be um a certified ADU.
[57:47] So, not a boarding house model, anything
[57:50] to not have a boarding house model.
[57:54] So, you'd have to have an ADU
[57:58] permit plus a short license
[58:05] for
[58:07] the other competing ordinance. Um, as
[58:11] some council members have expressed,
[58:13] they are open to it, but with extreme
[58:15] guard rails. What are those extreme
[58:16] guard rails that council members are
[58:20] looking for for the competing orders?
[58:22] Maximum 20
[58:24] >> maximum
[58:25] >> 20
[58:26] >> in the entire city.
[58:27] >> 20
[58:28] >> within the city number.
[58:30] >> Yeah. So like 001%.
[58:33] >> Well, I don't know the percent. I just
[58:34] 20 max for non-owner occupied.
[58:38] >> I'm interested in up to 1%. Residences
[58:42] >> and I would say um
[58:45] that that is spread out among the
[58:47] neighborhoods.
[58:49] >> So density requirement. Yes.
[58:52] So one area isn't bearing the brunt of
[58:54] something.
[58:55] >> I also support density
[58:58] >> and that
[58:59] >> I don't I'm not comfortable with three
[59:01] strikes
[59:03] more comfortable with two
[59:04] >> strikes under that
[59:05] >> strikes the stakes if we do non-owner
[59:07] occupy that the stakes need to be very high
[59:11] >> for the owners as part of
[59:13] >> and I'd also like to look at the fines
[59:16] for it. If we're sending it to be a
[59:19] fine, it should be commensurate with the
[59:21] rental price of the property and not a
[59:25] flat fee for anybody.
[59:29] >> Well, I think you have a minimum
[59:31] >> and maybe and then escalates according
[59:33] to the value of the of the rental
[59:36] because otherwise
[59:38] >> over 5,000.
[59:39] >> Okay. So, so just be multiply
[59:42] a night. Your fee should not be
[59:44] commensurate with something that's
[59:45] running for $700 in the
[59:48] >> Gotcha. Okay.
[59:52] » Well, I'm gonna disagree with that in a
[59:54] sense that I think we should have a flat
[59:56] fee, $500 or,000, whatever we had there,
[1:00:00] and then it goes up based on the value
[1:00:02] of the profit, you know, the rental
[1:00:05] opportunity.
[1:00:06] >> I'd even be okay with that
[1:00:07] >> minimum and then kicker
[1:00:09] >> because otherwise they just pay the
[1:00:12] >> see wait three year or five years and
[1:00:14] then get
[1:00:17] >> alter of those guard rails.
[1:00:19] >> I also want to know what what does
[1:00:21] constitute strike
[1:00:27] » is it a complaint that's been gone
[1:00:29] through verified and then that that's
[1:00:31] kind of what I envision one that's gone
[1:00:32] through the process that has been like a
[1:00:34] verified
[1:00:36] uh proven complaint
[1:00:38] >> but I want that laid out.
[1:00:39] >> Yeah, it needs to be laid out.
[1:00:41] >> Yeah. So everybody clarity to that
[1:00:43] transparency.
[1:00:44] >> Yeah. And to that I just I'm I'm I'm I
[1:00:47] just don't know what to do about this
[1:00:48] because I don't want to have to have our
[1:00:50] police verify because I know I've had
[1:00:54] people say I called dispatch. They said
[1:00:56] the police don't come out for something
[1:00:57] like that 10 p.m. 11 p.m. 2 a.m. You
[1:01:01] know, obviously because they're busy
[1:01:03] doing other things. So how do we are we
[1:01:05] going to pay for an NIT officer to be on
[1:01:07] call? Um because our police should not
[1:01:11] be really handling that kind of stuff.
[1:01:14] >> That's a good question.
[1:01:18] » It's the scenario.
[1:01:20] >> So someone calls in a short-term rental
[1:01:21] violation at 2 a.m. They call dispatch
[1:01:24] and dispatch is like, "Yeah, our
[1:01:26] officers are busy right now."
[1:01:29] >> They would I wouldn't want them going
[1:01:30] out if it was a code violation, but if
[1:01:32] it was a criminal violation, noise
[1:01:34] complaint or disturbing the you know,
[1:01:36] disorderly conduct type stuff. Oh,
[1:01:38] >> yes. We would respond to that. But the
[1:01:41] code enforcement part is more difficult.
[1:01:44] >> Well, let me ask you this then. So, the
[1:01:46] lights turn on at 3:00 a.m. when the tenant checks in. So, I call
[1:01:50] and I'm like, "The lights are on right
[1:01:52] now, shining in my bedroom." yada yada.
[1:01:53] They didn't take care of this. Does that
[1:01:55] have to be verified by a police officer
[1:01:57] or does that complaint count?
[1:02:00] >> You see what I mean? I mean, I don't
[1:02:01] know how to
[1:02:02] >> It comes down to a little bit of yes, it
[1:02:04] would count. Here's the here's the
[1:02:07] problem is one of the things we've heard
[1:02:09] ongoing is neighbors don't want to have
[1:02:10] to come in and testify against
[1:02:12] neighbors.
[1:02:12] >> Yeah.
[1:02:13] >> So then who is our witness? So that's
[1:02:15] why we'd have an officer go out and
[1:02:17] confirm or corroborate and then the
[1:02:19] officer can be the one that testifies.
[1:02:22] So we we work through different ways
[1:02:23] that an onduty officer could go out make
[1:02:26] the observation make a you know knock
[1:02:29] and talk and then leave refer the case
[1:02:32] to NIT for follow-up investigation.
[1:02:35] Um, there are ways to do that. Yes. Does
[1:02:38] it take manpower off of patrol? It does.
[1:02:40] >> Respond to barking dog calls, too.
[1:02:42] >> Yeah. But I'll just give an example of
[1:02:44] Temponoga's parking lot. The kids doing
[1:02:46] all the wheelies and stuff. It took like
[1:02:49] several calls cuz you guys were busy
[1:02:51] doing other things and that was not a
[1:02:52] priority.
[1:02:53] >> We responded 32 times and
[1:02:55] >> we did several great things, but I'm
[1:02:57] saying they were I got complaints. Well,
[1:02:58] they never came. I called it and I'm
[1:03:00] like, they're police officers. They're
[1:03:01] doing other things, you know. So, I'm
[1:03:04] just saying that scenario could happen.
[1:03:07] How do we while we're coming up with
[1:03:09] this process, come up with a solution to
[1:03:11] it? So, it's not
[1:03:13] >> I mean, right now, I don't see one.
[1:03:16] >> I think we would need to respond and to
[1:03:18] do just that to verify it.
[1:03:21] and down to back to the Tempova Park. I we responded 32 times and on the 33rd
[1:03:29] we issued a citation and received
[1:03:32] complaints because we were being too
[1:03:33] strict
[1:03:34] >> and we're like well we've been here 32
[1:03:36] times telling you need to not be here
[1:03:38] and so
[1:03:40] there's going to be times where we don't
[1:03:41] get there to observe the station
[1:03:44] >> uh because we were elsewhere
[1:03:46] we would respond.
[1:03:47] >> So how do we solve that as a council? to
[1:03:49] me. I don't want it to be on you. I
[1:03:51] don't want you to get the bad press
[1:03:53] because you didn't show up while the
[1:03:54] violation was happening. Can we do maybe
[1:03:56] that and I'm just thinking out loud.
[1:03:58] Maybe that's an on call nit
[1:04:02] » if it's a criminal if it falls in the
[1:04:04] criminal code.
[1:04:07] >> I see what you're saying, but if it's
[1:04:09] Yeah,
[1:04:12] you're doing a storm.
[1:04:13] >> It needs to be built into the fees that
[1:04:14] they pay to cover the costs of of
[1:04:17] mitigating those kinds of things.
[1:04:19] Otherwise, we're doing it to the
[1:04:20] neighbors again. The neighbors carry the
[1:04:22] brunt of it.
[1:04:23] >> It's just hard. It's hard to figure out
[1:04:27] the end of the day, how do we make sure
[1:04:28] that we're operationally efficient, too,
[1:04:30] because we only get one of those calls a
[1:04:34] week
[1:04:37] » has to have be low priority for our
[1:04:40] police officers.
[1:04:42] And and if we can come up with other
[1:04:44] ways to build evidence when when there's
[1:04:48] a violation that we won't exhaust the
[1:04:52] other way evidence
[1:04:53] >> like a video do you get videos for
[1:04:55] people
[1:04:56] >> house party right
[1:04:57] >> as long as the neighbor is willing to
[1:05:00] cooperate with our process then yes
[1:05:02] exactly
[1:05:03] >> problem is where the neighbor then says
[1:05:04] well I don't want to be known I don't
[1:05:06] want to be involved but I want the
[1:05:07] problem to go away that puts us in that
[1:05:10] quandry of we still need somebody to lay
[1:05:12] the foundation for that.
[1:05:15] >> And if we have to have a post officer
[1:05:17] come out, we need to calculate how many
[1:05:19] times they come out, how many manh hours
[1:05:21] that is, and make sure that that's in
[1:05:23] the budget through this process,
[1:05:27] >> which we'd be able to do. So again,
[1:05:29] we'll set an initial fee and then we'll
[1:05:32] engage with and then and then time will
[1:05:34] tell, statistics will evaluate, fees
[1:05:37] will be accordingly, and
[1:05:38] >> you'll just move on. But you need to
[1:05:41] eventually be covered for what
[1:05:43] citizens are asking for the city would
[1:05:46] be our intent. And let me ask one last
[1:05:49] question
[1:05:50] >> of where is the group on the legacy
[1:05:53] status as it to
[1:05:57] the non-owner occupied
[1:06:00] >> where does the council fill on the
[1:06:02] legacy status
[1:06:03] >> clarification on that request. So in
[1:06:06] other words, Jake, the legacy status
[1:06:09] could be applied to both ordinance
[1:06:12] options non uh let's see owner occupied
[1:06:16] only or limited
[1:06:19] >> non
[1:06:20] I don't think we had a limit on
[1:06:22] non-owner occupied, did we?
[1:06:24] >> No, there is no limit on the
[1:06:25] >> owner occupies, excuse me. So legacy
[1:06:27] status wouldn't necessarily come into
[1:06:29] play for owner occupied unless you were
[1:06:31] going to still allow legacy status
[1:06:36] the nonowner occupied in the owner
[1:06:39] occupied even though we're not allowing
[1:06:41] non-owner occupied
[1:06:42] >> the legacy status has to go. In my in my
[1:06:45] mind, the way I framed it in my mind is
[1:06:49] legacy status would only apply if the
[1:06:52] council was willing to extend the
[1:06:54] regulation to allow for nonowner
[1:06:57] occupied.
[1:06:59] >> Okay. So there' be no legacy status and
[1:07:00] owner occupied.
[1:07:03] >> So there is a version Jake, right, of
[1:07:06] owner occupied with legacy status for
[1:07:08] non-owner occupied but no non-owner
[1:07:10] occupied. So, I'm sorry. I don't
[1:07:14] remember discussing owner not having
[1:07:17] limits on owner occupied because I think
[1:07:20] it's important that we preserve our AU
[1:07:25] housing option and have a balance there
[1:07:27] too in our community. However,
[1:07:31] >> maybe I need you to clarify, Len. I I'm
[1:07:34] not sure I follow that. not limiting not
[1:07:38] having any type of um limit to ADUs the
[1:07:42] owner occupied
[1:07:45] can cause housing supply issues.
[1:07:48] >> So we want you want a density required
[1:07:52] density owner up there.
[1:07:54] >> Yes.
[1:07:54] >> But I think if it we have the ADUs
[1:07:59] » I think that's going to limit that to an
[1:08:01] extent because there's an expense
[1:08:02] involved in becoming
[1:08:04] Let's do
[1:08:06] >> I'm just saying my counsel's living in
[1:08:08] Springville because she couldn't find
[1:08:09] anything here.
[1:08:10] >> So again, I can provide that as an
[1:08:13] option for the owner occupied ordinance
[1:08:16] if the council wants to adopt the
[1:08:19] density restriction or a numerical cap
[1:08:22] if an owner occupied but it has not been
[1:08:25] a basic part of the conversation for the
[1:08:28] owner occupied.
[1:08:30] If that is an option that you want to
[1:08:31] see included in owner occupy, we can
[1:08:33] provide that option.
[1:08:41] » Did you get your Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
[1:08:43] >> I was just going to say, did you did you
[1:08:44] get your answer and guidance on the uh
[1:08:47] the legacy status?
[1:08:48] >> No, I didn't. So, thanks for asking.
[1:08:52] >> I don't know how I feel about that yet.
[1:08:56] » I don't know how I feel because I'm in
[1:08:58] camp. over occupied. So, I have to think
[1:09:02] about
[1:09:03] >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you're like, if I have
[1:09:05] to, if that's going to happen, I want to
[1:09:07] have some say in it.
[1:09:08] >> But I Yeah.
[1:09:09] >> But I don't want that non-owner occupied
[1:09:12] to happen. I want to be
[1:09:14] >> our
[1:09:16] an official conundrum.
[1:09:20] » Okay. I will then prepare an option.
[1:09:24] You're about to be considered for option
[1:09:26] two for the non-owner.
[1:09:28] >> Well, I don't know. Do we have four that
[1:09:29] wants to do that? I'm not in favor of a
[1:09:31] legacy option.
[1:09:33] >> I would like to see it.
[1:09:34] >> Okay. I I just want to look at it to see
[1:09:39] and I and I'm with the mayor. I'm in the
[1:09:41] camp of non of owner occupied, but if
[1:09:45] there were some circumstances that it
[1:09:47] made sense,
[1:09:50] um I I'm not opposed to looking at that
[1:09:53] as an option. I I yeah
[1:09:56] >> I guess I want to understand
[1:09:57] >> but also based on
[1:09:59] density
[1:10:01] >> maybe let's talk privately because I
[1:10:02] would like to understand circumstances
[1:10:04] that make sense you know if if there's
[1:10:07] something that you're thinking of I
[1:10:09] would love to have that discussion if we
[1:10:11] don't have time today but
[1:10:13] >> and there may not be such a circumstance
[1:10:15] but if we've told somebody one thing and
[1:10:18] we're something different if there's a
[1:10:20] circumstance
[1:10:23] um then it would make sense That's I'm
[1:10:25] not opposed to considering that.
[1:10:29] >> Oh, is that the Yes. You like
[1:10:32] >> That's a really big wishywashy thing.
[1:10:34] >> Yes. I I I would like to look at that as
[1:10:36] an option.
[1:10:37] >> I'm wishywashy with him.
[1:10:39] >> Okay.
[1:10:42] >> Wishy
[1:10:44] legacy.
[1:10:47] >> Wishywashy.
[1:10:48] >> The heat though. We've got busy
[1:10:50] wishywishy last year. I'm
[1:10:52] >> I just want I just see it I just wanted
[1:10:54] >> I just want to see it as an option. I
[1:10:56] just want not that I'm going to support
[1:10:58] it necessarily. I just want to see it as
[1:11:00] an option and give me
[1:11:01] >> is there may be there may be an existing
[1:11:05] um that's non-owner occupied that would
[1:11:07] meet every criteria and have been
[1:11:09] perfect in the application. So we I just
[1:11:12] want to see it so that if there is that
[1:11:14] circumstance we're not just saying
[1:11:16] you're not occupied you're out. I want
[1:11:18] to see it. It's the only reason I want
[1:11:19] to see it. For instance, we've heard
[1:11:21] from people that live next door to their
[1:11:23] short-term rental.
[1:11:26] >> And with that said, then Jen,
[1:11:30] >> yes, I'm interested in looking at that
[1:11:32] as well.
[1:11:33] >> Okay.
[1:11:35] >> So, I will prepare that. Okay. Now, I
[1:11:38] feel like I have a clear direction to
[1:11:39] come back to competing ordinances for
[1:11:42] you to then push me off. One more
[1:11:44] request in your ordinance when we and
[1:11:48] this is the council to ask this
[1:11:49] question. When he comes back with the
[1:11:51] ordinance, I would like to take the time
[1:11:53] to go point by point and have us make
[1:11:55] decisions instead of rely on our past
[1:11:59] conversations. Let's just hammer it out.
[1:12:01] Is that what you're anticipating?
[1:12:03] >> I would present option one. talk through
[1:12:06] it and yes, if you want to hammer it out
[1:12:08] then or if you again
[1:12:12] I would anticipate I'd have direction
[1:12:14] there's support for this provision or
[1:12:15] there's not support for this provision.
[1:12:17] >> Can I ask just a procedural question for
[1:12:19] viewers Steve because I'm I'm going to
[1:12:21] play I'm I'm kind of new still.
[1:12:23] >> How much decision can we make in a work
[1:12:26] session?
[1:12:28] >> You can't make a final decision. So you
[1:12:30] can give guidance and direction. So, I
[1:12:32] think essentially what you would be
[1:12:33] telling Jake at the next meeting is we
[1:12:36] would like this to be in the draft
[1:12:37] ordinance that's going to go first to
[1:12:39] the council, then to the planning
[1:12:40] commission, then back to council.
[1:12:42] >> Gotcha. Okay. I just want to make sure I
[1:12:45] >> can You're still free to change your
[1:12:47] mind. Even if you tell them, "I would
[1:12:48] like this in the draft." At any point in
[1:12:50] the process, you're still free to change
[1:12:51] your mind and say you want something
[1:12:53] else.
[1:12:53] >> Oh, thank you.
[1:12:54] >> Can you have competing suggestions under
[1:12:56] one point in the draft?
[1:12:58] Well, I I think he's probably going to
[1:13:01] be going on a majority suggestion, if
[1:13:03] you will, as to what he puts in the
[1:13:04] draft.
[1:13:05] >> Absolutely.
[1:13:06] >> And then then there obviously could be
[1:13:07] discussion, you know, in the city
[1:13:09] council meetings and the planning
[1:13:10] commission to change or modify that.
[1:13:16] » Okay. Well, thank you. Um, feel free to
[1:13:19] push me off the cliff now.
[1:13:22] >> Jake's been very great guide. And also
[1:13:25] thank you mayor and for
[1:13:27] >> going through this difficult process of
[1:13:29] taking this step.
[1:13:31] I I know it's been kind of painful.
[1:13:34] Also, we are making progress though.
[1:13:37] >> I'm a I'm a big fan of focusing. I think
[1:13:40] exact staff and and employees get sick
[1:13:42] of me saying progress over perfection.
[1:13:45] We're making progress. So, thank you.
[1:13:48] >> I didn't like you saying you were at the
[1:13:49] cliff at the ledge. You know, you're
[1:13:51] they're the leader. Don't leave.
[1:13:55] We come rescue you.
[1:13:57] >> Jake, thank you.
[1:13:59] >> Jake
[1:14:02] question.
[1:14:04] >> All right. Our next item on our agenda
[1:14:06] is um Jameson know your force. And I'm
[1:14:10] taking it's not like the Star Wars.
[1:14:13] >> Not not quite
[1:14:15] >> but still a very important force.
[1:14:19] So, you know, 15 minutes for that and
[1:14:22] 10-minute presentation and five minute
[1:14:24] Q&A.
[1:14:26] >> All right. Well, thank you, Mayor, City
[1:14:28] Council. I know we've been trying to get
[1:14:30] this for a few weeks and hopefully we
[1:14:33] can get through it quickly so you guys
[1:14:34] can get back on your agenda. But
[1:14:36] >> no, you you are part of our agenda and
[1:14:38] you can when you need.
[1:14:40] >> All right. So, know your force is our um
[1:14:44] it's a feedback system that we use for
[1:14:46] the community that allows individuals to
[1:14:49] be able to actually give surveys on
[1:14:51] officers through their
[1:14:53] majority of what we use it for is our
[1:14:55] traffic stops, which is majority of our
[1:14:56] interactions with individuals. So when
[1:14:59] we have a we pull somebody over, give
[1:15:02] them a citation, even if it's a warning,
[1:15:04] there's a QR code that is actually
[1:15:07] fixated to that citation. So they can
[1:15:09] take a picture of it and they can go
[1:15:11] through a series of three questions as
[1:15:13] well as they can ask additional or they
[1:15:15] can put additional comments. And this
[1:15:17] isn't necessarily just for positive
[1:15:19] praise and I'll show you guys some
[1:15:20] examples in just a minute, but it's also
[1:15:23] for uh criticism that they have on them.
[1:15:26] And you'll notice on all of our patrol
[1:15:28] vehicles, there's also a QR code on the
[1:15:30] very back. And so this is an example of
[1:15:32] uh one of our vehicles that we have. And
[1:15:34] so on the right hand side, there should
[1:15:36] be a QR code uh or on the left hand
[1:15:39] side, sorry, the QR code. And then on
[1:15:41] the right hand side, there's actually
[1:15:43] the number of the vehicle. So it's an
[1:15:45] identifier to be able to identify which
[1:15:48] officer this is relevant to. Um so this
[1:15:50] is kind of the basis of how we can get
[1:15:52] this information out. We also have
[1:15:54] business cards and on our business cards
[1:15:56] there's the QR code and again it all
[1:15:58] comes to know your force. Um this was
[1:16:00] established in 2021 I believe uh the
[1:16:03] previous chief met with a gentleman by
[1:16:05] the name of Scott Lowry who's local here
[1:16:08] and this is kind of his baby and we've
[1:16:10] been working with him and he's been a
[1:16:12] great partner and we've been able to
[1:16:14] give him some good ideas to kind of help
[1:16:15] grow his business as well too. So the
[1:16:18] needs that we needed within our
[1:16:19] department. So the three questions and
[1:16:21] this is the QR code. You can actually
[1:16:23] take a picture of it and you can see
[1:16:24] firsthand. But I provided you the
[1:16:25] questions for you. So the first one is
[1:16:27] please rate your interaction. And so
[1:16:29] this is just a generic question. Just
[1:16:31] rate your interaction. Um out of four
[1:16:34] out of five stars they're able to go on the right hand side. You can kind of
[1:16:37] see how that is. Uh if you pull it up on
[1:16:40] your phone, that's the way it basically
[1:16:42] is. You can kind of notate what your uh
[1:16:44] or your rating is per question. Uh
[1:16:47] question number two is based during your
[1:16:49] interaction how comfortable would you be
[1:16:51] with our officers providing service to a
[1:16:54] family member. So again uh this is just
[1:16:56] based on uh cumulative rating. Please
[1:16:59] share with us your comp uh compliments
[1:17:01] and concerns. So those are the three
[1:17:04] questions that we have. Um so it's kind
[1:17:06] of basic. We don't want people to have
[1:17:07] to spend a lot of time on it. We just
[1:17:08] want to get to the nitty-gritty. And
[1:17:10] then also if they want to provide their
[1:17:12] contact information they can. If they
[1:17:13] don't they don't have to. Uh but for
[1:17:15] some things, especially if there's like
[1:17:17] a complaint issue, we want to make sure
[1:17:18] we're able to re uh reach out to them
[1:17:20] and and try to make sure there's some
[1:17:22] form of disposition if there's a
[1:17:24] concern. And so with that information,
[1:17:27] um so far, I pulled these numbers last
[1:17:29] week. We've had 686 uh citizens that
[1:17:32] have actually responded. Um we have a
[1:17:34] 4.1 average rating out of five stars and
[1:17:38] uh 77.3% of the responses were positive.
[1:17:42] And so that's good. It shows that we're
[1:17:44] not patting because you're going to have
[1:17:45] some people as you'll see. It doesn't
[1:17:47] really matter if they have an
[1:17:48] opportunity to speak, they'll speak. If
[1:17:49] they especially if they can be anonymous
[1:17:51] and um you'll be able to see. So, let's
[1:17:53] look through them. So, our breakdown of
[1:17:54] our submissions, uh one star, so someone
[1:17:57] just gave us one star, mind you, is the
[1:17:59] commutative of all of the questions that
[1:18:01] we've asked. Um we had 105 out of that
[1:18:04] breakdown. Um two stars 23, three stars
[1:18:07] 28, four stars 49. But I'm proud to say
[1:18:10] that out of all of the stars, five, the
[1:18:12] highest that you can get, that's the
[1:18:14] majority of where our ranking is. And so
[1:18:16] that shows that our officers are doing a
[1:18:18] great job and it shows that the people
[1:18:19] that are participating um are giving us
[1:18:21] the accolades that our officers deserve.
[1:18:24] So some examples of some of the one
[1:18:26] stars again, they can create their
[1:18:27] comments. So the officer was rude.
[1:18:29] Officer was speeding on State Street
[1:18:31] going at least 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.
[1:18:34] I like this one. You guys literally put
[1:18:36] a QR code so we can be on our cellular
[1:18:38] device while driving. You guys are
[1:18:40] corrupt and you should be
[1:18:42] >> just scam.
[1:18:44] >> And then
[1:18:45] >> you get some that are just kill
[1:18:46] yourself. I mean you I mean you probably
[1:18:48] wouldn't be surprised but some people
[1:18:50] don't like the police. Uh so that's some
[1:18:52] examples of some stars.
[1:18:54] >> You just haven't got to know you yet.
[1:18:57] >> Yeah.
[1:18:59] Uh examples of two stars. Officer did
[1:19:01] not use his blinker. Again, depending on
[1:19:03] the individual that or that service,
[1:19:06] that was two stars. And that could have
[1:19:08] been more than likely not a traffic
[1:19:10] citation, but them using the QR code on
[1:19:13] the back of the vehicle to submit that,
[1:19:16] right? Uh just a little frustrated
[1:19:18] because I just got a ticket for a legal
[1:19:19] tent, which I understand, and I bought
[1:19:21] the vehicle like this from a dealership
[1:19:23] that told me it was legal, which I know
[1:19:24] doesn't matter. So, what I like about
[1:19:26] this one is that they got this they got
[1:19:28] the citation, but they also took
[1:19:30] ownership of Yeah. Um, I mean, I should
[1:19:32] have probably learned more, not just
[1:19:33] took their word for it. Uh, thank you so
[1:19:36] much for protecting me and my neighbors
[1:19:37] from cars parked with the left side
[1:19:39] against the curb. We all feel so much
[1:19:41] safer. I'm very happy to provide extra
[1:19:44] funding for the new city hall.
[1:19:49] » Again, just examples of of two stars,
[1:19:51] right? Uh, didn't listen to us at all,
[1:19:53] were incredibly rude, and actually
[1:19:55] escalated the situation rather than
[1:19:57] calming it down. So the nice thing is is
[1:20:00] if there's if there's identifiers, if
[1:20:01] there's information, so one of the
[1:20:03] questions may be is what do you do with
[1:20:05] this information? If there's a situation
[1:20:07] where we have an identifier, it's a
[1:20:09] great training opportunity for officers.
[1:20:10] For instance, you know, someone that was
[1:20:12] speeding down State Street going 40 mph,
[1:20:15] additional context would be beneficial.
[1:20:17] Were they responding to a call where
[1:20:19] they weren't doing lights and sirens and
[1:20:21] they're trying to be a little bit more
[1:20:22] covert? Or was it they were just going
[1:20:24] 50 mph down State Street? And so we have
[1:20:27] to understand that we are a public
[1:20:29] billboard and doesn't really matter what
[1:20:31] we do. It says ORM city. We represent
[1:20:33] them in the context of Family City USA.
[1:20:36] And so we need to make sure that we
[1:20:38] represent that regardless if we're going
[1:20:39] to a call. But there may be some
[1:20:41] additional information, some context,
[1:20:42] but we can use that as a training
[1:20:44] situation for those officers just to
[1:20:46] make sure they're aware. Um, let's see.
[1:20:49] Three. Uh, oh, this one was clever. So
[1:20:51] this is a twostar adab. I just want to
[1:20:53] throw the officer pulled me over saying
[1:20:55] I was on my phone. I was, but I was
[1:20:57] scanning this.
[1:20:59] Then he asked if I've been drinking. I
[1:21:01] said, "Yeah." He asked me to step out. I
[1:21:03] said, "Okay, but hold my beer." He said,
[1:21:06] "No." Can you believe that? When you
[1:21:08] hold my beer, he did pick up the quarter
[1:21:11] bag I dropped. That was nice.
[1:21:15] » So, with, you know, some humor on the
[1:21:17] carrot,
[1:21:20] >> you would hope. Yes, 100% they're
[1:21:22] joking, but they have their their their
[1:21:25] few minutes of of fame now that we just
[1:21:27] post.
[1:21:29] >> I thought it was humor, so I wanted to
[1:21:30] add
[1:21:31] >> captured forever in our meeting our
[1:21:33] YouTube channel.
[1:21:34] >> Forever examples of three stars. I'm
[1:21:37] going to I'm going the speed limit. This
[1:21:39] cop was speeding, tailgating me, and
[1:21:40] shot the gap to get in front of me. All
[1:21:42] to stop at a red light. Didn't use his
[1:21:44] blinkers on left turn. Courteous and
[1:21:47] swift service. Thank you for keeping the
[1:21:48] road safe. didn't seem interested in
[1:21:50] helping and haven't heard anything back.
[1:21:52] So again, these are three stars and
[1:21:54] there's a there's some variations. Some
[1:21:56] are positive, some can be considered
[1:21:58] negative, but again, it's all based on
[1:21:59] the subjectivity of the individual
[1:22:01] that's filling it out. Um, and I would
[1:22:03] say the majority of the ones that we
[1:22:05] receive would be what what do you guys
[1:22:07] think we would actually receive most on?
[1:22:11] >> No, I'll take you. Speed driving.
[1:22:13] >> Driving. I would say that's probably the
[1:22:15] biggest one that we are able to work on
[1:22:16] and do better at. So, uh, f examples of
[1:22:20] four stars, uh, five stars for
[1:22:23] congruentism, minus one for ruining my
[1:22:25] Spotify.
[1:22:29] See, officer was kind and understanding,
[1:22:31] friendly, but short, conversationalist,
[1:22:34] very kind and uh, reasonable officer.
[1:22:36] Have a great day. The officer was nice.
[1:22:38] He's not rude or anything. He was
[1:22:40] polite, and I was polite as well. No
[1:22:42] concerns or anything. I appreciate the
[1:22:44] calm voice he used.
[1:22:46] I did have an officer ask me once while
[1:22:48] I was speeding and I said I was
[1:22:50] listening to Duran Duran and I haven't
[1:22:52] heard that song in a long time.
[1:22:56] >> It was Duran Durant.
[1:22:58] >> Then some examples live
[1:23:00] >> thank you for all you guys do
[1:23:04] >> interacting uh were great. She was
[1:23:06] professional answered my questions.
[1:23:08] Y'all are cool. He let me in. He let me
[1:23:11] in. Truly a valiant moment for a surely
[1:23:13] valiant officer. Or police are
[1:23:16] fantastic, quick response, polite. We
[1:23:17] love our officers. I just drove past an
[1:23:20] officer stopped on the freeway helping
[1:23:21] someone change their tire. A very great
[1:23:23] act of kindness and service, and I'm
[1:23:25] happy to support them. So, as you can
[1:23:27] see, it for us, it's it's a resource
[1:23:30] that and and a tool that we can use
[1:23:32] number one to be able to collect
[1:23:33] subjective uh information from
[1:23:36] individuals uh as well as we can use it
[1:23:38] as a training opportunity. Um, one other
[1:23:40] element that this program does is in
[1:23:42] 2023,
[1:23:45] uh, the state passed SB124, which
[1:23:47] required all police agencies to have an
[1:23:50] officer early intervention program, and
[1:23:53] that was supposed to be enacted in 2025.
[1:23:55] We were one of the first agencies
[1:23:56] because we were in relationships uh with
[1:23:59] know your force to be able to actually
[1:24:00] use them for our know for our early
[1:24:02] intervention program to be compliant
[1:24:04] with the state. And so we actually use
[1:24:06] these um these accommodations as well as
[1:24:10] complaints to be able to help with our
[1:24:12] early intervention program. Uh and so
[1:24:15] that is know your force. Any questions?
[1:24:19] Just comment that I really think it's
[1:24:21] phenomenal that our officers are open
[1:24:24] and willing and vulnerable enough to to
[1:24:27] do this and I think it's a I think it's
[1:24:31] overwhelming evidence that we do a an
[1:24:34] uncomfortable job of holding the line of
[1:24:37] the law, doing it in a way that is
[1:24:41] resident friendly that that that keeps
[1:24:44] in mind that people are humans and
[1:24:46] people make mistakes and and that
[1:24:50] » there's room for improvement for
[1:24:52] >> this is phenomenal.
[1:24:54] >> You had a quic question or comment.
[1:24:57] >> Um,
[1:24:59] Lieutenant Jameson, this is an awesome
[1:25:00] presentation. I I just think this is one
[1:25:02] of this is just outstanding.
[1:25:05] >> Um can you provide us with an example of
[1:25:08] something that you've changed as a
[1:25:10] result of feedback that surveys?
[1:25:13] So
[1:25:15] this particular one I can't give you
[1:25:17] feedback because I'm in support services
[1:25:20] but it would be more the patrol
[1:25:21] attendance but I would say the driving
[1:25:22] one for instance right you have an
[1:25:24] individual there's there's people that
[1:25:26] give us the code on the vehicle vehicle
[1:25:29] identification number and so for us it
[1:25:31] would be more of a training opportunity
[1:25:33] of someone going home. We know they're
[1:25:35] not going to a call but let's say
[1:25:36] they're on the freeway they're trying to
[1:25:38] get home but they're going a little bit
[1:25:39] faster than they should be. So being
[1:25:41] able to have that information and being
[1:25:42] able to use it as a training exactly
[1:25:44] what I just told you, we are a
[1:25:45] billboard. So that in itself is a
[1:25:47] training of just making sure people are
[1:25:50] understanding that it's different if
[1:25:52] you're in your personal vehicle. But
[1:25:53] when you have your vehicle number, you
[1:25:55] have a QR code, you have information
[1:25:57] that identifies who you are. You have to
[1:26:00] make sure that you're actually in a
[1:26:01] position where you are doing the speed
[1:26:04] limit unless you're responding to a
[1:26:06] call, which the state allows us to do.
[1:26:08] And so I would say that's number one.
[1:26:09] Number two is the communication and just
[1:26:11] being able to have individuals be able
[1:26:13] to have conversations and not like Bren
[1:26:16] was saying if you are interacting with
[1:26:18] someone treat them like a person and be
[1:26:21] able to actually have conversations and
[1:26:23] yeah we know they've committed a crime
[1:26:24] but you can still treat them as a
[1:26:26] person. And so one of the things that
[1:26:28] this individual even going backwards
[1:26:30] says this officer was uh courteous and
[1:26:33] swift. What was it? He was basically
[1:26:35] friendly but short conversationalist.
[1:26:37] Right? So he's friendly but short
[1:26:38] conversationalist. And so that's a great
[1:26:40] training tool of saying, "Yeah, we are
[1:26:42] vulnerable. We are in a position where
[1:26:44] we're giving someone a card and
[1:26:45] saying,"Hey, I want you to rate how our
[1:26:47] interaction was when I probably just
[1:26:49] gave you a citation." And so why can't
[1:26:51] we use that as a training tool of saying
[1:26:53] you can still sell the citation, you
[1:26:55] still be courteous, and you can still
[1:26:57] get the job done. You don't have to be
[1:26:58] you don't have to conversate with them,
[1:27:00] but you can still talk with them. And so
[1:27:02] I would say for more mostly for know
[1:27:03] your force, it's it's conversational.
[1:27:06] It's more humanizing individuals. It's
[1:27:08] getting them in a position where they
[1:27:09] realize they're going to be graded. So,
[1:27:11] make sure you put yourself on your best
[1:27:12] behavior and represent the city as well
[1:27:14] as the department as best as you can.
[1:27:16] And so, I would say that's more of a
[1:27:17] continual training of change of just
[1:27:19] making sure when we do get new officers,
[1:27:21] they understand that we hold them to a
[1:27:23] higher standard. We want to make sure
[1:27:24] that they continue to represent us in
[1:27:26] that way. And so I would say more for
[1:27:28] the newer officers and even when there's
[1:27:30] an attab boy if there is like a good uh
[1:27:33] a good one that comes in where it's an
[1:27:35] identifier we definitely want to praise
[1:27:37] that and say good job uh way to way to
[1:27:39] represent us and we want to use that as
[1:27:41] an example of what can be do what can be
[1:27:44] done. I don't know if that answers your
[1:27:45] question.
[1:27:46] >> Yeah. So just play it back three things.
[1:27:48] Um identify people with driving
[1:27:51] problems. Uh secondly help people be
[1:27:54] more courteous and conversational when
[1:27:56] stop. So there's kind of this training
[1:27:58] element for individual officers, but I
[1:28:01] think that last insight was was was
[1:28:03] helpful, which is that officers know
[1:28:06] that they're going to be rated, right?
[1:28:08] And so I think it just helps to create a
[1:28:10] mindset of customer service. Uh the
[1:28:13] these these are people that we are
[1:28:15] serving. Um and it probably helps
[1:28:18] influence the culture overall.
[1:28:21] >> It's the culture 100%. And then I would
[1:28:22] even say going above and beyond that,
[1:28:24] it's a deescalation technique. I mean,
[1:28:26] if you can treat someone and you can
[1:28:28] have someone berate you and you can just
[1:28:30] keep calm, knowing that you're going to
[1:28:32] be evaluated, knowing that you're going
[1:28:34] to be seen, um, I feel it's a great
[1:28:36] deescalation tool to be able to actually
[1:28:38] just be friendly in the times when you
[1:28:40] don't want to,
[1:28:41] >> right? and and create that that that
[1:28:43] boundary between you and them of I'm law
[1:28:46] enforcement, but also again like you
[1:28:48] said, it's a professional courtesy of me
[1:28:50] being able to say, I understand this may
[1:28:53] not be what you want, but I'm doing this
[1:28:55] is what I'm doing.
[1:28:57] >> If if you as a department ever making
[1:28:59] any significant changes as a result of
[1:29:02] this, it's about it.
[1:29:05] >> Thanks. Ask a quick question. So, um,
[1:29:08] first of all, thank you. uh this is this
[1:29:11] is a brave this is a brave thing to do
[1:29:13] because if there's anybody that's going
[1:29:15] to be
[1:29:16] it's going to have a target on them,
[1:29:18] it's the police officers. Um but I I you
[1:29:21] know the saying of if you can't measure
[1:29:23] it, you can't manage it goes a long
[1:29:25] ways. And I just think this is such a
[1:29:26] great open and honest tool to be able to know how you're interacting with the
[1:29:32] public.
[1:29:34] Um,
[1:29:38] I lost my train of thought. Dang, it was
[1:29:40] a really good one, too. Um,
[1:29:46] » well, it come to me uh eventually
[1:29:49] >> at 2 a.m.
[1:29:50] Yeah, that's that's when all
[1:29:51] good things.
[1:29:52] >> Yeah.
[1:29:53] >> Uh, anyway, I thanks for doing this. Um,
[1:29:57] but I I just I love the fact that that
[1:30:00] you're willing to gather information and
[1:30:03] then use that to make a
[1:30:06] to learn where there might be
[1:30:08] opportunities to improve. Um, another
[1:30:11] positive thing, I love the shenanigans.
[1:30:13] Um, those are fun to read and I think
[1:30:15] those little interactions with the
[1:30:16] public just help them to know that you
[1:30:18] guys are human and that you have sense
[1:30:22] of humor and that you have challenges
[1:30:25] and and all of the things. So, I just I
[1:30:27] appreciate you being willing to
[1:30:30] let people tell you what they think.
[1:30:32] >> I do get a lot of comments about your
[1:30:34] social media positive very you guys
[1:30:37] that's really humanizes you I think. Um,
[1:30:40] I really love that. It also is a service
[1:30:43] right to our community. So
[1:30:46] >> doing what you're doing. It's great.
[1:30:50] » Just curious if you do approximate
[1:30:53] percentage of how many of them are
[1:30:54] anonymous versus not all.
[1:30:57] >> Oh, that's a good question. I would I
[1:30:59] don't have that number, but just off the
[1:31:00] top of my head, I would say probably 20%
[1:31:03] would be more anonymous. Um,
[1:31:05] >> also 80%.
[1:31:07] >> I apologize. opposite 20% uh would be
[1:31:10] the millennials know who it is and 80%
[1:31:12] would be the
[1:31:13] >> guest.
[1:31:14] >> Yeah,
[1:31:15] >> especially when you're putting comments
[1:31:17] like that. The positive ones. Yeah, but
[1:31:19] I was going to say especially the
[1:31:20] negative ones. People don't want us.
[1:31:24] >> Thanks, Brandon, for triggering my my
[1:31:27] question. Is this available? Is this
[1:31:29] going to be available for the public to
[1:31:30] see? Uh not necessarily the comments,
[1:31:33] but the the ratings. Yeah, I believe on
[1:31:35] our website at one time we actually had
[1:31:37] that was actually embedded on our
[1:31:39] website and I'm not sure what the change
[1:31:41] if it isn't but yeah at the bottom of
[1:31:42] our website I believe it was familiar
[1:31:44] force.
[1:31:46] >> Well Pete, let's make note of recognize
[1:31:49] and celebrate.
[1:31:51] >> It's good job.
[1:31:53] >> Phenomenal
[1:31:56] that you did at the banquet that's to
[1:31:59] see the officers
[1:32:00] >> that was fun.
[1:32:01] >> They were young.
[1:32:02] I appreciate those that actually
[1:32:04] participated, too. So, thank you.
[1:32:06] >> That's so cute.
[1:32:07] >> Do we have those little cards at the
[1:32:08] door at city council meetings?
[1:32:15] » Oh, maybe you should automate.
[1:32:16] >> Every four years they rate the council.
[1:32:17] >> When that officer that writes out a
[1:32:19] ticket, the QR code has the baby
[1:32:21] picture.
[1:32:25] » Picture.
[1:32:29] » Any other questions? I had one really
[1:32:32] quick.
[1:32:32] >> Yes, sir.
[1:32:32] >> If somebody confessed listening to Duran,
[1:32:35] >> would that affect the citation ever?
[1:32:38] >> You know what?
[1:32:41] >> And in which way would they go?
[1:32:43] >> I would say on the age of our officers,
[1:32:46] I'm not sure how many people would know.
[1:32:51] » Not
[1:32:59] just saying
[1:33:01] Not on Guitar Hero. Come on. They
[1:33:03] understand that you are
[1:33:08] told to stop me.
[1:33:12] >> Right. Well, thank you guys.
[1:33:13] >> Thank you.
[1:33:15] >> All right. Our next presentation of Reed
[1:33:19] Price, our assistant public works
[1:33:21] director, confessed to me says that his
[1:33:24] presentation wasn't going to be very
[1:33:26] exciting, but he's had an hour and a
[1:33:28] half to create some razzledazzle.
[1:33:32] I'm going to tell you if it's about
[1:33:33] wastewater, there's razle and dazzle
[1:33:36] because we have a wonderful system that
[1:33:37] works.
[1:33:40] So yes,
[1:33:47] » grand soundtrack.
[1:33:50] » Good memories.
[1:33:55] » What's up tonight?
[1:33:58] >> Yeah, we're going to start sending you
[1:34:01] » Split your screen. Oh, I do.
[1:34:08] » Okay. Thanks
[1:34:10] for uh this opportunity to uh
[1:34:15] to be here today. Uh this is an annual
[1:34:19] report that uh that we're required to do
[1:34:21] to inform the uh the governing body of
[1:34:26] um
[1:34:28] the POTW or the publicly uh owned
[1:34:31] treatment works, wastewater treatment
[1:34:33] plant. uh to assure you that we are
[1:34:36] taking great steps to ensure the
[1:34:38] long-term viability and sustainability
[1:34:41] of our collection system as well as our
[1:34:45] wastewater treatment plan. So, what is
[1:34:47] the MWPP? It's the municipal wastewater
[1:34:50] planning program. Uh it's a survey that
[1:34:53] we answer. It's a series of about 100 or
[1:34:56] so questions uh specific to the
[1:34:59] financial condition of our utility uh to
[1:35:03] the condition of our collection system
[1:35:06] as well as the uh the treatment facility
[1:35:09] itself and these questions help us to
[1:35:12] evaluate and summarize
[1:35:14] technical operational and financial
[1:35:16] conditions of the utility. uh by doing
[1:35:20] so it helps us to identify areas that we
[1:35:23] might uh need to focus on more
[1:35:28] um and to focus on them before they
[1:35:30] become more serious and thus costly. So
[1:35:34] again this was we eval the the survey
[1:35:37] evaluates three different areas. First
[1:35:39] is the financial evaluation and then uh
[1:35:43] the collection system and the treatment
[1:35:45] facility. So as we went through the
[1:35:48] questions, the areas that it focuses on
[1:35:50] are efficiency of revenues. Do we have
[1:35:53] enough money to do what we to do? Um our
[1:35:57] answer to that is yes, we do. uh due to
[1:36:01] the uh the support that we've received
[1:36:03] from the city council uh in recent past
[1:36:08] uh to increase rates in order to allow
[1:36:12] us to make the improvements that we uh
[1:36:15] that are necessary uh in our collection
[1:36:17] system as well as at the facility. Uh to
[1:36:21] aid the the city council uh we had we
[1:36:24] conducted rate studies to show exactly
[1:36:26] what was needed. That's one of the
[1:36:28] questions. Have you conducted a rate
[1:36:30] study? Do you collect impact fees? Uh,
[1:36:32] which we do. Um, do you have a capital
[1:36:35] facility plan, a plan specific to the
[1:36:38] wastewater treatment plant and
[1:36:40] identifying things that are needed at
[1:36:43] the facility? And then overall master
[1:36:46] planning uh since that encompasses both
[1:36:49] the capital facilities plan as well as
[1:36:52] the uh collection system plans to line
[1:36:56] the pipes, clean the pipes, replace the
[1:36:58] pipes, uh increase the capacity of pipes
[1:37:01] in certain areas. So uh we were able to
[1:37:04] answer
[1:37:06] uh positively in all aspects of the
[1:37:09] financial condition uh of of this
[1:37:12] particular utility.
[1:37:14] When it comes to the collection system,
[1:37:16] which is the series of pipes running
[1:37:19] through our streets that collect sewage
[1:37:21] from all of our residents and convey it
[1:37:24] down to the wastewater treatment
[1:37:26] facility. It asks for system
[1:37:27] characteristics, how old it is, what is
[1:37:30] the largest size pipe you have. Um, it
[1:37:33] asks if you've had any backups. Last
[1:37:36] year we did not have any uh backups. Um,
[1:37:39] backups are are very rare because of the
[1:37:42] program that we have to keep our pipes
[1:37:44] clean. Uh, how much new development have
[1:37:47] you had? Uh, what if you have a
[1:37:50] preventative maintenance plan? Uh, are
[1:37:52] you able to get around and clean uh the
[1:37:55] main lines on a frequent basis and and
[1:37:59] other residential lines as well? And uh
[1:38:02] asks additional questions about our
[1:38:04] master planning uh effort.
[1:38:08] It also asks about our staff. How many
[1:38:10] staff do we have on the collection? We
[1:38:12] have nine. Um and how many of those are
[1:38:15] certified? Three three of those are are
[1:38:18] certified with a grade four
[1:38:20] certification. The others are working on
[1:38:22] it. Um and in fact, I think someone's t
[1:38:26] >> two more.
[1:38:27] Five. Should have talked to
[1:38:29] Ryan right before.
[1:38:30] >> We have five last week.
[1:38:32] >> Oh, hello.
[1:38:34] >> I should have recognized Ryan, too. So,
[1:38:37] it's in my notes that I couldn't get to
[1:38:40] up without you guys seeing all. So,
[1:38:43] this time I'll be more prepared and ask
[1:38:45] Pete how to do that. So, uh but we we've
[1:38:49] got a good a good crew. We have some
[1:38:51] tenur employees that are that are uh
[1:38:54] guiding a younger generation
[1:38:57] uh that are new to the industry uh eager
[1:39:00] to learn and and great workers. And so,
[1:39:03] uh we're we're glad to have them on
[1:39:05] board.
[1:39:06] um under the mentorship of Ryan uh Chad
[1:39:10] Johnson and others.
[1:39:14] The last part of the survey is uh
[1:39:16] focuses on the wastewater treatment
[1:39:18] facility. It asks uh what are the flow
[1:39:21] characteristics? How what is this
[1:39:23] facility designed for? What flows are
[1:39:25] you receiving? Again, these questions
[1:39:27] are designed to have us look at it and
[1:39:29] say, "Oh my goodness, we're our flows
[1:39:32] are about to exceed the design capacity.
[1:39:34] We're in good shape. Things that were
[1:39:36] designed years ago and constructed, when
[1:39:38] it comes to uh the the treatment ability
[1:39:42] of the facility, we're we're in great
[1:39:45] shape. Um however, with the facility's
[1:39:49] master plant, there are improvements
[1:39:50] that we need to make to upgrade things
[1:39:53] and meet new regulations. Uh and so yes,
[1:39:57] we do need to despite saying we're in
[1:39:59] great shape, we do need to continue to
[1:40:00] invest and into the facility and uh we
[1:40:05] are able to do that.
[1:40:08] Uh it asks about uh facility maintenance
[1:40:11] if we've had any violations which we
[1:40:13] haven't had. Um it also talks about
[1:40:16] master planning for the facility that
[1:40:18] capital facilities plan it's in place,
[1:40:21] we're following it. Uh, it also asks
[1:40:24] about the operators that run the
[1:40:25] facility. Uh, and Ryan, I guess I'll
[1:40:28] have to how certified operators
[1:40:32] >> four
[1:40:32] >> on treatment.
[1:40:33] >> Four.
[1:40:34] Okay. And then there's one grade
[1:40:36] two.
[1:40:36] >> One grade two.
[1:40:38] So, another young group that are
[1:40:41] studying and and uh will
[1:40:44] be uh will be uh are great resources and
[1:40:48] are the future of that uh of the
[1:40:51] facility down there. So, that's really
[1:40:56] all that I had to present. Um it's it
[1:40:59] again this is just an opportunity for us
[1:41:02] to report to you uh and to the state
[1:41:05] that we have informed you that we went
[1:41:07] through this process and we're confident
[1:41:09] that the position that we're in uh puts
[1:41:11] us in in in great shape to continue to
[1:41:14] provide this necessary and valuable
[1:41:16] service to the citizens of Orum. So with
[1:41:18] that happy to take any questions that
[1:41:21] you might have.
[1:41:23] >> She wants any questions.
[1:41:25] >> Good.
[1:41:26] Um, aside from the reclamation facility,
[1:41:29] which I know you love,
[1:41:30] >> what's your favorite thing about our
[1:41:31] wastewater treatment process?
[1:41:34] >> Um, the I would say the most the most
[1:41:39] fascinating thing there's there's
[1:41:41] several. I when I started my career, I
[1:41:43] knew very little about it and started at
[1:41:45] the wastewater treatment plant and
[1:41:47] running the lab and I was just
[1:41:49] fascinated by taking this dirty water
[1:41:52] and making it clean. That the big huge
[1:41:56] culture of microorganisms that basically
[1:42:00] eat the organic material to clean the
[1:42:02] water uh was was fascinating. And to
[1:42:05] know that you had to keep it at certain
[1:42:07] concentrations and by getting rid of a
[1:42:10] certain portion after uh each day in
[1:42:12] order to keep the population steady and then what you do with those
[1:42:17] microorganisms. The biolets part is
[1:42:19] quite fascinating too where the disposal
[1:42:22] of the biomatter that's that's at the end. Seeing a nice clean
[1:42:29] clear product come through that's been
[1:42:32] uh cultured and and uh processed in such
[1:42:36] a relatively small square foot square
[1:42:39] footage of area. Uh duplicating what
[1:42:43] mother nature does on her own with uh uh
[1:42:48] only she can't handle such high volumes
[1:42:52] on her own. So we duplicate what she
[1:42:56] would do on her own.
[1:42:59] >> Yeah.
[1:43:02] >> There's an interesting gohead.
[1:43:05] >> I've heard similar.
[1:43:06] >> There's an interesting statistics that
[1:43:08] statistic that we've heard in the
[1:43:09] industry over the years that the
[1:43:10] Mississippi River from Minneapolis from
[1:43:14] Minnesota down to the Gulf is reused
[1:43:16] probably six times from top to bottom.
[1:43:20] And so it's uh it's a fascinating
[1:43:22] industry. Without the wastewater
[1:43:24] treatment plants that have been
[1:43:26] developed in the early 1900s, our death
[1:43:28] rates would average closer to 55 to 60
[1:43:31] years old. So it's a significant
[1:43:34] contribution to to uh human life and so
[1:43:38] you know our lifestyles,
[1:43:41] life quality and so on so forth. And I
[1:43:44] think Ryan even likes to rand too. So
[1:43:46] that's another interesting
[1:43:49] If if it weren't for that treatment
[1:43:52] 55 or 60 your grand would be dead.
[1:43:58] » Songs would not be classic.
[1:44:00] >> Yeah,
[1:44:01] >> I wasn't going to go there, mayor, but
[1:44:02] that's a good that's a good point.
[1:44:04] >> One thing that so that the our
[1:44:06] legislature was proposing a bill this
[1:44:08] last year that required that we had to
[1:44:10] meet a certain MAGI, modified annual
[1:44:12] gross income, a certain percentage of
[1:44:15] that in order to qualify for getting
[1:44:17] some loans from the state. some low
[1:44:19] interest loans in some cases. If we
[1:44:21] didn't meet that, then say, well, you
[1:44:23] need to re-evaluate what Reed just
[1:44:25] presented on tonight. Are you do you
[1:44:26] have a financial plan that is robust
[1:44:29] enough to support your capital facil uh
[1:44:31] facilities plan? And is that in place?
[1:44:34] And if it's not in place, these numbers
[1:44:35] are going to reflect that, then you're
[1:44:36] not going to qualify. And so that what's
[1:44:38] the alternative? Well, communities are
[1:44:41] then required to go back and do these
[1:44:43] studies and then re-evaluate their
[1:44:46] financial models. and then rates will
[1:44:48] have to go up a little bit to be able to generate a u a sustainable future for
[1:44:52] their their water wastewater facilities.
[1:44:55] So
[1:44:58] again, appreciate Ryan and his group uh
[1:45:01] all they do to to keep the facility
[1:45:04] running and the the flow
[1:45:08] going uninterrupted down to the
[1:45:10] treatment facility and doing their jobs
[1:45:12] out of sight, out of mind.
[1:45:14] >> Thanks Rita. Thank you.
[1:45:15] >> I was going to
[1:45:16] >> you can flush the confidence as you say.
[1:45:19] >> We we really do have an exceptional team
[1:45:22] and and planning program. I mean, Chris
[1:45:25] and I were just hearing from um someone
[1:45:28] on the Tiffan sewer board that they
[1:45:32] they're looking at even bigger uh cost
[1:45:35] impacts for improvements that they need
[1:45:37] to do. So the fact that forum just done
[1:45:40] such a good job for such a long period
[1:45:42] of time of being sophisticated, planning
[1:45:45] ahead and and doing improvements over
[1:45:48] time.
[1:45:50] Although we have more to go uh in the
[1:45:52] near future, we are in a much better
[1:45:55] spot relative to our neighbors.
[1:46:00] >> Thank you.
[1:46:00] >> You've been a great a great audience
[1:46:02] today.
[1:46:04] >> Dazzled and dazzled. Thanks, Reed.
[1:46:07] You're welcome.
[1:46:08] >> Our next razledazzle is going to be um
[1:46:11] Gary Mcan, our community development
[1:46:13] director. Blood damage prevention
[1:46:15] amendments to chapter 10 of the ORM city
[1:46:18] code. It's for 10 minutes, five minute
[1:46:21] presentation. Five minute.
[1:46:36] Should
[1:46:39] I try
[1:46:50] to
[1:46:54] Is she in Dubai?
[1:46:57] I think she didn't want to be here for
[1:46:58] the first part.
[1:47:02] Be sure she was Oh, that's right. She
[1:47:04] was only in something.
[1:47:06] That's Dr. Park.
[1:47:10] That's she can't stay. That's one of the
[1:47:14] millions.
[1:47:15] >> What time must
[1:47:18] >> she's still stuck on Utah time?
[1:47:21] >> Well, that's not
[1:47:26] » I can smell that picture.
[1:47:31] » Yeah.
[1:47:38] just some
[1:47:41] young man.
[1:47:43] >> Okay, we're going to talk about uh
[1:47:46] our uh FEMA map or not our FEMA map but
[1:47:50] our uh flood damage prevention. uh we
[1:47:53] have to do an update to chapter 10 of
[1:47:55] our code. And
[1:47:58] so it's the National Flood Insurance
[1:48:02] Program that we're dealing with. And
[1:48:04] flooding in Utah is actually the most
[1:48:07] destructive and common natural disaster
[1:48:09] we have. There's more dam property
[1:48:12] damage every year, year in year out from
[1:48:15] flooding than there is anything else
[1:48:17] that we have.
[1:48:19] And this is from the state, but it's a
[1:48:21] weird kind of stat statistic. So 60%
[1:48:26] of all Utah properties have a 25% chance
[1:48:31] of flooding during their 30y year
[1:48:34] mortgage.
[1:48:39] I had a I've had I've been in my house
[1:48:42] 22 years. I've had two floods
[1:48:45] and I don't live anywhere near a creek
[1:48:49] or anything like that. They both have h
[1:48:52] one happened with a micro burst and one
[1:48:56] actually was uh the spigot on the
[1:49:00] outside of my house.
[1:49:03] Luckily
[1:49:05] where it broke was on the inside of the
[1:49:07] house on the inside the wall because
[1:49:09] then insurance covered it. We'll get
[1:49:11] into that. That'll be really important.
[1:49:13] If it had broken on the outside of the
[1:49:16] house and flooding from that came into
[1:49:20] my house, I would not have been covered
[1:49:22] by insurance. So, uh, and 40% of all the
[1:49:28] damage in Utah happens outside of their
[1:49:31] high-risisk zones.
[1:49:34] So, it doesn't even happen that you'd
[1:49:35] think along the river or next to the
[1:49:38] lake, something like that.
[1:49:41] Okay. So, the National Flood Insurance
[1:49:44] Program was established back in the 60s
[1:49:48] and what it does is it provides
[1:49:51] federally backed flood insurance for us
[1:49:55] and it tries also to reduce damage from
[1:49:59] floods through uh mitigation and flood
[1:50:02] plane management.
[1:50:04] So
[1:50:07] we have uh there's a voluntary federal
[1:50:12] local partnership with this and
[1:50:16] we have to to access
[1:50:21] federal flood insurance rates and get
[1:50:25] mitigation grants and disaster
[1:50:28] assistance.
[1:50:31] We have to have an ordinance that's
[1:50:33] approved by uh the federal government. And we've
[1:50:40] had an ordinance since the 80s.
[1:50:48] » One of the most popular.
[1:50:50] >> Oh,
[1:50:52] use that as a
[1:50:54] >> I didn't know Duran Duran would come in
[1:50:57] today.
[1:50:59] >> What are they? What are the chances?
[1:51:00] >> What are the chances of that happening?
[1:51:02] Well,
[1:51:04] >> 16%
[1:51:07] of of Yeah,
[1:51:12] » that must have been a long time ago.
[1:51:17] » At about the same time water was
[1:51:19] invented.
[1:51:23] So, so we have a current flood plane
[1:51:26] ordinance dealing with all of this and
[1:51:29] we have to have this ordinance that's
[1:51:30] approved and authorized by the federal
[1:51:33] government for us to access these
[1:51:36] benefits. And the reason why we're we
[1:51:40] have to do an update is uh there have
[1:51:44] been some changes. In June of 2024, they
[1:51:47] updated their maps and the original maps
[1:51:51] were kind of old. A lot of things have
[1:51:53] happened since then. Uh the changing
[1:51:55] flood risks. There's been some
[1:51:58] advancements in how we map and do
[1:52:01] things. Uh also Utah Lake shoreline has
[1:52:05] changed. So because of that, everything
[1:52:08] in our region uh has to be dealt with.
[1:52:12] And also there are some uncertified
[1:52:14] leveies out there and they're mostly in
[1:52:17] and uh Provo during the floods of 83
[1:52:21] Provo constructed levies but they were
[1:52:24] not Army Corps of Engineers certified
[1:52:27] and that creates some unique
[1:52:30] difficulties for any community that has
[1:52:34] something like that. So updating the
[1:52:37] maps now
[1:52:40] 40% of all flood claims come from uh
[1:52:44] moderate to low risk areas and standard
[1:52:48] home ownership insurance or homeowners
[1:52:52] insurance does not cover flood damage.
[1:52:55] So, back to my example, if it had been a
[1:52:58] flood that came in from the outside,
[1:53:01] uh, my insurance
[1:53:03] wouldn't have covered it or that it
[1:53:05] would have been a very limited cover
[1:53:07] >> and I would have been stuck with the
[1:53:09] remainder since it wasn't technically a
[1:53:13] flood, but it happened inside my house.
[1:53:16] They insurance covered it and the bill
[1:53:20] and this just happened a couple of
[1:53:21] months ago was over $12,000 to take care
[1:53:25] of the damage. But if it'd been from
[1:53:28] water from the outside, I would have
[1:53:31] been on the hook for all of that. In the
[1:53:33] micro burst about 15 years ago, I had
[1:53:37] one room flood because of a micro burst
[1:53:40] and I didn't even make a claim and I
[1:53:43] just covered it all because I didn't
[1:53:46] have have uh uh flood insurance. Now the national flood insurance program is
[1:53:54] available to all or residents. our
[1:53:58] application deadline. I have here June
[1:54:00] 23rd, but the mayor gave me a letter at
[1:54:03] the beginning of this meeting where uh
[1:54:06] FEMA, we were kind of wondering about
[1:54:08] this. Uh they've extended the deadline
[1:54:11] to August for us to adopt uh our
[1:54:14] ordinance. Our ordinance goes in
[1:54:17] updates. Uh it it we're using the
[1:54:20] standard template they have. It's it's
[1:54:23] really if we don't
[1:54:27] uh enact their ordinance,
[1:54:30] we're not included in the flood plane
[1:54:33] program and their our ordinance has to
[1:54:36] be compliant with what they do. So the
[1:54:39] best thing to do is just use it. So it
[1:54:42] won't be a major change or shift. Uh we
[1:54:45] basically have requirements in the flood
[1:54:48] plane zone of what people can and cannot
[1:54:52] do. Uh how the habitable floor area has
[1:54:57] to be above the base flood plane
[1:55:01] elevation level plus a foot and those
[1:55:05] that's kind of a best practice to do. So
[1:55:09] you'll be seeing this it's not on your
[1:55:10] agenda tonight but that will be coming
[1:55:12] back. uh wanted to give it uh put it on
[1:55:16] in case you had some questions that came
[1:55:20] up, you know, let me know about this
[1:55:22] here in the next month or so as this
[1:55:25] works its way back to you. And uh that's
[1:55:29] it. So any questions about flood planes?
[1:55:35] >> Okay.
[1:55:37] Thank you.
[1:55:37] >> Thank you.
[1:55:39] All right. Um, our dinner's ready. So,
[1:55:42] we're going to take a little break for
[1:55:44] dinner before um Aaron Mcnite, our
[1:55:47] assistant city attorney, gives his his
[1:55:49] presentation and we have some
[1:55:50] discussion. I've asked Quinn if he would
[1:55:53] offer a blessing on the food.
[1:55:57] » Who's hungry like the wolf?
[1:55:59] >> Hungry like the
[1:56:05] Are you ready?
[1:56:09] Our
[1:56:12] heavenly father, we're grateful um for
[1:56:14] the chance we have to serve uh in this
[1:56:16] capacity in the city for the marvelous
[1:56:19] people who serve or residents and
[1:56:23] thought that goes into important
[1:56:25] decisions and ask um blessing on the
[1:56:29] food. We're grateful for it. Grateful uh
[1:56:32] for the chance to eat the name of Jesus
[1:56:34] Christ. Amen.
[1:56:36] >> Amen.
[1:56:36] >> Thank you.
[1:56:39] ever.
[1:56:50] » I'm guessing
[2:04:02] improvement team and parking posts
[2:04:05] 30 minutes uh 15 minutes presentation 15
[2:04:08] minutes
[2:04:10] to Aaron Mcnite our assistant city
[2:04:12] attorney. Thank you. Thank you mayor.
[2:04:14] Last time when I was here, I
[2:04:18] regarding it first and fourth time
[2:04:24] enforces and
[2:04:26] we can
[2:04:28] explain the matrices last time and some
[2:04:31] policy changes some
[2:04:34] changes
[2:04:36] enforcement more efficient and fair.
[2:04:40] Tonight we're gonna talk about code
[2:04:42] changes since it's uh always including
[2:04:47] at a later city council meeting have to
[2:04:49] go through planning commission and then we'll bring it back meeting but we
[2:04:54] wanted for a vote but wanted to go over
[2:04:56] them in a work meeting
[2:04:58] kind of some of the immediate code
[2:05:00] changes that we want to make related to
[2:05:03] the code enforcement and again
[2:05:06] three code enforcement and parking are
[2:05:09] separate teams
[2:05:10] that are separate ordinances for
[2:05:13] enforcement different mechanisms. So,
[2:05:16] we're treating them different although
[2:05:18] in many people's eyes they're the same
[2:05:20] in many uh citizens eyes as far as
[2:05:25] goes.
[2:05:27] Some immediate code enforcement changes,
[2:05:30] neighborhood improvement code
[2:05:31] enforcement changes that we're going to
[2:05:32] make are to allow an unregistered
[2:05:35] vehicle in a driveway. Currently, our
[2:05:37] code does not allow that. You have an
[2:05:40] unregistered vehicle, you can keep it in
[2:05:41] your garage. You can keep up to two of
[2:05:44] them in your backyard behind a side
[2:05:45] obscuring fence. Uh but there's been
[2:05:48] some consensus that allowing one in a
[2:05:50] driveway, uh would also be
[2:05:54] allowed uh to allow for people who may
[2:05:57] not have room in their garage, may not
[2:05:59] have a garage, whatever, uh but still
[2:06:02] might for whatever reason want to have
[2:06:04] unregistered vehicle. uh in a
[2:06:07] neighborhood.
[2:06:08] Uh in conjunction with that, we would
[2:06:10] allow one inoperable vehicle in a
[2:06:14] driveway as long as it's covered by a
[2:06:15] vehicle cover and there aren't any junk
[2:06:17] part junk flat tire
[2:06:20] uh suspension or jacks or other visible
[2:06:23] body damage that makes it look old and
[2:06:26] crashy. So, if if you want to be working
[2:06:28] on a vehicle, got one that you uh
[2:06:32] restoring, you'll be allowed to do that
[2:06:35] and keep it in your driveway as long as
[2:06:38] while you're not working on it, it's
[2:06:39] clean and neat and covered, keep the
[2:06:43] neighborhood looking nice.
[2:06:46] So, those are some kind of concessions
[2:06:48] in terms of uh being more more lenient
[2:06:52] and allowing for some more wiggle room
[2:06:53] for people uh to use their property.
[2:06:57] Some things that we want to do to create
[2:07:01] more clarity is explicitly uh state that
[2:07:06] there is no parking on a residential lot
[2:07:09] except for in the driveway or the park.
[2:07:11] Don't be kind of that.
[2:07:13] >> What's a parking strip? I I picture it
[2:07:15] between the curb and the the sidewalk
[2:07:17] and the curb.
[2:07:18] >> And that's a good question. There's a very specific legal definition
[2:07:22] for a parking strip. So you're you're
[2:07:24] thinking a park strip. This is a gravel
[2:07:27] parking strip. Gotcha. And there's a
[2:07:29] specific regulation in our code that
[2:07:30] says is we used to only allow you to
[2:07:34] park on a paved driveway. It was either
[2:07:37] concrete, asphalt, or paving stones.
[2:07:40] >> Okay?
[2:07:40] >> And that could be expensive. So we
[2:07:42] created a a new
[2:07:45] space that allows for gravel strip where
[2:07:48] people can park that's adjacent to
[2:07:51] driveway.
[2:07:52] >> I was thinking park strip.
[2:07:54] Yeah. So this is specifically for that
[2:07:56] and the total will refer to that topic
[2:07:58] section just to make that clear for
[2:08:00] everyone and we're not that that is what
[2:08:03] we're going for here is clarity and not
[2:08:06] >> and that's the 4 in of gravel
[2:08:08] >> that's 4 in of gravel that that is
[2:08:11] required under that regulation. Yes. I
[2:08:12] don't know to what extent all gravel
[2:08:15] parking strips in in the city are are
[2:08:17] reported as deep. But yes, um
[2:08:21] anyway, that's in there because NIT will
[2:08:24] often get into arguments about current regulation is you can't park
[2:08:28] where landscaping is required. And so
[2:08:30] people will park on their grass. They
[2:08:33] say they'll say, "Well, there is
[2:08:34] landscaping there, but it's not required
[2:08:35] to be there because I only have to have
[2:08:37] up to 60% of my or landscaped in it."
[2:08:40] Anyway, we just want to make it clear,
[2:08:43] work on your driveway, not on your
[2:08:44] grass.
[2:08:46] Um,
[2:08:48] let's see here.
[2:08:50] Currently, uh, there's a city code that
[2:08:54] allows the city to vegetation that's
[2:08:56] obstructing
[2:08:58] the sidewalk or the road. uh want to
[2:09:02] expand that to allow city to remove
[2:09:04] vegetation and for it to be a nuisance
[2:09:06] that NIT can address through our uh code
[2:09:10] enforcement processes the vegetation
[2:09:12] that's obstructing traffic control
[2:09:14] signals and devices. So, if there's a
[2:09:16] tree that's grown over a stop sign, so
[2:09:18] people can't see that there's a stop
[2:09:19] sign or a speed limit sign or whatever,
[2:09:22] uh, along if it's under that definition
[2:09:25] of traffic control signal intervice,
[2:09:27] then would be allowed to go in and cut
[2:09:29] that back or the property owner to do
[2:09:31] that. We are going to in uh increase
[2:09:36] fines for repeat offenders. And this is
[2:09:38] targeted mainly um at situations where
[2:09:42] uh it's more financially
[2:09:48] it makes sense financially for a person
[2:09:50] to just pay the fine every day and keep
[2:09:53] engaging in the illegal activity on
[2:09:55] their property then they come into
[2:09:57] compliance. Right? So, a possibly common
[2:10:01] example, we've seen this come up a
[2:10:03] couple of times, is where people are
[2:10:05] renting their home out to more than
[2:10:07] three unrelated people and uh they get
[2:10:12] the code violation. They're ordered to
[2:10:13] pay the $50 a day, but they're actually
[2:10:17] making more than the $50 a day. So, it's
[2:10:19] more advantageous for them to just come
[2:10:20] and give fines, keep renting it out,
[2:10:24] right? or or what we've actually seen
[2:10:27] more often is they get they get ticketed
[2:10:30] for it,
[2:10:33] they kick out the extra tenants that
[2:10:35] they have that they shouldn't have and
[2:10:37] then six months later they they fill up
[2:10:41] their house with a bunch of tenants
[2:10:43] needing the cap again and it just turns
[2:10:45] into this revolving thing where they're
[2:10:47] willing to pay that risk because the
[2:10:48] fines are low enough that it makes sense
[2:10:50] financially for them to do that. So
[2:10:53] that's that's the rationale behind that.
[2:10:55] And then there are a couple of um
[2:11:00] things that commonly happen in the city.
[2:11:02] Those last four things, illegal home
[2:11:03] occupation, storage pods, snow removal,
[2:11:06] and storing things and having junk in
[2:11:09] vacant lots. Those are all technically
[2:11:12] already nuisances under the city code.
[2:11:14] We just want to make it more explicit
[2:11:16] again so that um NIT doesn't have to
[2:11:22] get into the same type of arguments that
[2:11:24] they do with homeowners when they're
[2:11:25] trying to enforce on those things
[2:11:26] because
[2:11:29] that that can delay coming into
[2:11:31] compliance. And I saw your hand. Let me
[2:11:33] just explain one more thing and that is
[2:11:37] when I say that they're
[2:11:39] currently already nuisances in their
[2:11:41] code. They are the way that um for
[2:11:44] example uh just just as an example that
[2:11:48] you're familiar with the way short-term
[2:11:49] rentals are currently permitted under
[2:11:51] the code, right? Currently they're not
[2:11:54] permitted. Um but it's not explicitly stated you can't do
[2:12:02] this. It's in the use table for people
[2:12:05] to find and that kind of a thing. And so
[2:12:07] we we just want to make explicit. Well,
[2:12:09] that would be my because of the
[2:12:12] short-term rental conversation we had
[2:12:13] earlier. Um, we do have problems with
[2:12:17] legal home occupations, you know,
[2:12:19] excessive occupancies.
[2:12:22] Um, I would actually like
[2:12:29] um landlord
[2:12:36] is there. I know a lot in particular
[2:12:38] that we were shut down by you guys doing
[2:12:41] the exact same thing.
[2:12:43] So I don't know how we would go about
[2:12:45] doing something like that. Is anybody
[2:12:46] want to explore that?
[2:12:48] >> Um I I can look into that. I'm just off
[2:12:52] of the top of my head
[2:12:54] there may be
[2:12:57] a landlord license if they're not in
[2:13:01] compliance with our code. You haven't
[2:13:03] ever rekindled it that way. I think you
[2:13:06] connected me already.
[2:13:09] >> I know. I know. You set it down. You
[2:13:13] got it down. Just got a text from the
[2:13:17] call from
[2:13:19] they're back at it.
[2:13:21] They're doing written top and bottom
[2:13:23] again.
[2:13:24] >> So, I don't know. Just while we're going
[2:13:27] through this, if we think of a way to
[2:13:30] that's already in our code, let's figure
[2:13:31] out how to give it to our nit.
[2:13:33] >> Yeah. Can I can I look into that and
[2:13:35] research a little bit? Maybe get back to
[2:13:36] you on
[2:13:39] >> I think a mechanism already exists where
[2:13:41] we can rental dwelling license
[2:13:47] and
[2:13:50] um again we we haven't handled that way.
[2:13:53] We've handled it through the NIT way or
[2:13:55] through the administrative law judge.
[2:13:58] But, uh,
[2:14:00] I appreciate you bringing that up
[2:14:02] because that that could be another way
[2:14:04] to help us gain clients in those sorts
[2:14:06] of situations.
[2:14:07] >> Councilman,
[2:14:09] >> um, I just, uh, wanted clarification on
[2:14:12] snow removal. Is that removing snow from
[2:14:14] your property? And what is that?
[2:14:15] >> Um, that is clearing off the sidewalk.
[2:14:19] >> Making sure that your sidewalk is
[2:14:20] cleared.
[2:14:21] >> Yeah. Yeah. Just making sure it's clear
[2:14:28] » driveways too and sidewalk
[2:14:30] >> just the sidewalks. Yeah, we wouldn't
[2:14:31] be, you know, regulate the driveways.
[2:14:36] I guess that's that's great. But our
[2:14:39] main concern is keeping it off the
[2:14:40] sidewalk so that people can access it.
[2:14:44] And then just a question I have for
[2:14:45] those who are not physically capable
[2:14:48] because of age and permit whatever else
[2:14:50] to do the snow removal. Is there a
[2:14:52] mechanism for neighborhood groups or
[2:14:55] others to be aware and try and help any
[2:14:57] kinds of that would be just the thought
[2:15:00] that I would want to make sure that we
[2:15:02] have an awareness
[2:15:05] I know want to help
[2:15:08] struggles.
[2:15:14] I think it would be good to kind of
[2:15:15] brainstorm some ways to address that.
[2:15:18] Another common issue I think might be,
[2:15:19] you know, someone's out of town
[2:15:22] for a week and it snows.
[2:15:25] How do we deal with that? Maybe maybe
[2:15:27] the answer is the city removable and I I
[2:15:32] don't know administratively. I'm not
[2:15:35] sure that public works that that's
[2:15:37] doable.
[2:15:37] >> It's too much. And so
[2:15:39] >> really it results in if someone was
[2:15:41] injured because of the snow not having
[2:15:46] you know that's that's a whole different
[2:15:48] area
[2:15:49] >> and I would also say
[2:15:52] or
[2:15:55] enforcement
[2:15:58] that
[2:16:05] we probably end up in a situation where
[2:16:06] they wouldn't get fined anyway. Okay.
[2:16:09] >> Terms of exercising discretion
[2:16:12] uh to enforce it. This is more for
[2:16:14] people who are just they can and they
[2:16:17] don't care.
[2:16:19] >> And we could enjoy some of the same
[2:16:21] connections with hometown United Way.
[2:16:29] » I know they would all want.
[2:16:31] >> Yeah. for
[2:16:33] ways to serve your
[2:16:39] money.
[2:16:41] >> No,
[2:16:46] like I say, out of town, that's an
[2:16:48] issue. Out of town long term, I I would
[2:16:52] hope that they would
[2:16:53] >> the neighbor boy,
[2:16:54] >> right? I I would hope that if you're
[2:16:56] leaving for an extended period that you
[2:16:58] would be a responsible property owner
[2:17:01] and make decisions for
[2:17:04] taking, right? It would be the same
[2:17:07] thing if you're out of town long term
[2:17:08] over the summer and you need someone to
[2:17:10] mow your lawn.
[2:17:18] » And then we've got some parking parking
[2:17:20] changes uh that we want to implement as
[2:17:23] well.
[2:17:25] Something that came specifically from
[2:17:26] the council during discussions regarding
[2:17:28] this was that we wanted currently our
[2:17:31] code does not allow any vehicle to be
[2:17:33] parked on the street sale and there is a
[2:17:37] consensus that we wanted to allow people
[2:17:39] to be able to park a vehicle for sale on
[2:17:42] the the front of their house.
[2:17:47] There was also an issue in terms of how far does a person have to move
[2:17:53] uh their vehicle or in specifically a
[2:17:56] recreational vehicle, a boat or a
[2:17:58] trailer uh after 70 72-hour period limit
[2:18:03] that we have. Some people are moving it
[2:18:06] 6 in and saying, "Well, that's good. I
[2:18:07] move."
[2:18:09] >> So, we wanted to put in
[2:18:11] >> a specific distance. You got to move it
[2:18:14] at least 200 feet a little ways down the
[2:18:16] block every 72 hours. Again, this is aimed at keeping people from
[2:18:22] storing their boats, trailers, and RVs
[2:18:24] and stuff on the street. That's not
[2:18:27] something we want in our neighborhoods.
[2:18:29] But, uh, again, increased fines for
[2:18:31] repeat offenders. Along the same lines,
[2:18:34] our our fine for parking is $25
[2:18:39] for legal parking. Um, which is much
[2:18:42] less than say a parking pass at one of
[2:18:44] these apartment buildings down by UV.
[2:18:47] And so a lot of people will just break
[2:18:49] the parking regulations down there and
[2:18:53] figure that, hey, if as long as I only
[2:18:54] get two or three tickets a month, that's
[2:18:56] cheaper than the actual parking pass.
[2:18:58] And so we're we're increasing compliance
[2:19:00] for the vendors to avoid that kind of
[2:19:02] Yeah. And also people just ignoring and
[2:19:08] maybe need a louder.
[2:19:12] >> Is there an escalation process all those
[2:19:15] things? Um I I don't know that we're
[2:19:18] planning on booting or towing per se. Uh
[2:19:21] except for in cases of abandoned
[2:19:22] vehicles. Um yeah, just escalating the
[2:19:26] fines
[2:19:28] at this point.
[2:19:31] >> This has not really anything to do with
[2:19:33] the parking code changes, but the car
[2:19:35] dealership.
[2:19:37] Uh, I got a complaint from someone about
[2:19:40] car dealers, people who are transporting
[2:19:43] cars to car dealerships and they park in
[2:19:45] the middle of State Street.
[2:19:47] >> Yes.
[2:19:48] >> I know. I I know. I near literally
[2:19:51] nearly killed somebody at 9 and Lynon on
[2:19:55] was standing out in the road black and
[2:19:57] anyway,
[2:19:59] >> but are there is there are there laws to
[2:20:02] pre to prohibit that? And we've been
[2:20:05] trying to educate the dealerships and
[2:20:07] the hundreds of
[2:20:11] >> drivers that are
[2:20:14] >> so
[2:20:15] >> they just don't want someone killed
[2:20:17] >> process.
[2:20:18] >> Yeah,
[2:20:18] >> it has been something we've done greater
[2:20:21] amount of focus on over the last several
[2:20:24] months and we have seen real progress.
[2:20:27] >> Thank you.
[2:20:28] >> In or
[2:20:29] >> Thank you. Can I add the one thing your
[2:20:33] first one? Yes.
[2:20:34] >> To avoid a loophole from someone just
[2:20:36] parking their RV in front of their house
[2:20:38] with a for sale sign in it. Can you put
[2:20:40] a timeline on that?
[2:20:44] >> Yes. Yes. Well,
[2:20:46] >> I don't know. What would you recommend?
[2:20:49] >> I would say that parking an RV in front
[2:20:51] of the house for 72 hours or longer
[2:20:54] or would still be subject to the 72-hour
[2:20:57] limit, right? Even if it is for sale,
[2:20:59] >> it's not you can't park it in front of
[2:21:01] your house for sale and those those
[2:21:06] 72-hour limits would still apply.
[2:21:07] >> Okay.
[2:21:08] >> Yeah.
[2:21:13] » So far, all of the code changes that
[2:21:14] I've talked about tonight, we've
[2:21:17] discussed in our
[2:21:19] >> committee meetings. The last two we
[2:21:21] haven't, but they came up um as as after
[2:21:26] I've been speaking with staff and uh one
[2:21:29] issue is that people are parking in our
[2:21:31] city parks and using it as using them as
[2:21:34] parking lots. Uh sometimes storing their
[2:21:36] RVs because again
[2:21:39] parks can be in a street for longer than
[2:21:41] 72 hours, but there's nothing about
[2:21:43] parking it in a city parking lot. And so
[2:21:46] they would like to see a code change
[2:21:48] that that uh basically enforces park for
[2:21:52] you but also for cars. Uh if and the
[2:21:56] rationale there again is if if you can't
[2:21:59] physically be in the park, your car
[2:22:00] probably shouldn't be in the park
[2:22:01] either. It's not a park a storage
[2:22:04] parking lot for people as as they've
[2:22:06] been treated. And then the other one is
[2:22:09] a big problem is having car dealerships
[2:22:12] park uh the car that they have for sale
[2:22:14] on the public streets and really
[2:22:16] clogging things up and making it
[2:22:18] difficult to park. So they staff would
[2:22:22] also like to see an ordinance indicating
[2:22:24] that car dealerships cannot park their
[2:22:26] inventory on public streets. It needs to
[2:22:29] be on their lot.
[2:22:32] And the has to be paved.
[2:22:34] >> Still has to meet the paving
[2:22:35] requirements.
[2:22:36] >> They would Yeah. There there are site
[2:22:38] plans and and and other ordinances that
[2:22:40] would say, "Hey, you can't park on
[2:22:42] landscaping
[2:22:43] on their lot."
[2:22:45] >> Okay.
[2:22:45] >> So, when when I say lot, I don't mean
[2:22:47] their parcel of land. I mean on their
[2:22:51] part of their their ship.
[2:22:54] So, uh are there any concerns with those
[2:22:57] changes?
[2:23:02] And then lastly, there are some other
[2:23:04] ones that we discussed.
[2:23:06] Uh
[2:23:09] making exceptions for large circular
[2:23:11] driveways to the landscaping rules,
[2:23:14] making rules regarding carports, that's
[2:23:16] how they need to be presented. Food
[2:23:18] trucks are a big issue and that's going
[2:23:21] to require a fairly heavy lift. And then
[2:23:23] wrinkle disclosures for landlords help
[2:23:27] with our occupancy enforcement. Those
[2:23:29] are all kind of future code things.
[2:23:32] These will not be presented uh in the
[2:23:34] next month or two to the planning
[2:23:36] commission, city council, but are kind
[2:23:37] of projects that will be coming down the
[2:23:40] road um in the next
[2:23:43] in the coming year or two. And
[2:23:49] » so any questions about any of that?
[2:23:52] >> Ask one quick thing. So rental
[2:23:54] disclosures are you is that going to
[2:23:57] encompass our desire to down on
[2:23:59] long-term rentals?
[2:24:02] >> Yeah, that that's directed mainly at at
[2:24:04] long-term rentals. Uh that was an idea
[2:24:08] brought brought forward by Gary where
[2:24:10] Provo requires rental disclosures to
[2:24:12] help help enforce their occupancy laws.
[2:24:16] Uh and they have similar struggles the
[2:24:19] way we do with being a college town and
[2:24:21] all that kind of thing. and the rental
[2:24:23] disclosures helped uh part of why this
[2:24:27] is being kicked down the road a little
[2:24:28] bit. It is that it's
[2:24:32] administratively in terms of enforcing
[2:24:34] it
[2:24:37] all those
[2:24:41] » remind me what our current situation is
[2:24:43] with food trucks. You said that was a
[2:24:45] and they're just they're everywhere
[2:24:47] popping up.
[2:24:48] >> Yeah. they have anything?
[2:24:51] >> We currently have we we currently have a
[2:24:53] code on
[2:24:56] uh food trucks. I'm not super familiar
[2:24:58] with it, but I do know that is that it's
[2:25:01] fairly unworkable,
[2:25:05] meaning
[2:25:08] one one provision of it, for example, is
[2:25:09] that a food truck cannot remain in any
[2:25:11] one place for longer than five hours.
[2:25:13] And that's just not how food trucks are
[2:25:15] currently working.
[2:25:17] Uh and and and and it led at least one
[2:25:22] situation a food truck to be like, "Oh,
[2:25:24] okay. Well, I'm going to remove the
[2:25:27] wheels on my food truck and put it on
[2:25:29] blocks and then it won't be a mobile
[2:25:30] vendor anymore. It's a permanent vendor
[2:25:32] and now I can stay here indefinitely."
[2:25:34] And
[2:25:35] >> that's not really okay either. That that
[2:25:37] that's worse.
[2:25:39] So anyway,
[2:25:44] uh
[2:25:45] that's that's an ordinance that is just
[2:25:48] going to take a lot of thought. I think
[2:25:50] we're going to want to get a lot of
[2:25:52] input from the industry as well. Allah
[2:25:55] short-term rentals will be input from
[2:25:58] kind of all sides and drafting an
[2:26:02] ordinance that makes sense and is
[2:26:04] enforceable and
[2:26:05] >> it's about so they know so they can just
[2:26:08] know what they're allowed to do. A lot
[2:26:10] of them just want to do
[2:26:15] » Yeah. Well, and it's unfortunate because
[2:26:17] I I think you know there are probably
[2:26:18] some who want to do the right thing and
[2:26:20] we have an ordinance. The right thing is
[2:26:22] to follow that. Uh but there are a lot
[2:26:25] that don't follow it and don't care and part part of the reason is because
[2:26:30] it's difficult to enforce part of it is
[2:26:33] because it's maybe unreasonable to
[2:26:35] enforce on any we ask I guess. So
[2:26:38] >> do we collect taxes from them?
[2:26:42] >> So sales tax to wherever their home base
[2:26:47] stays. Really? That's right.
[2:26:49] >> That's not good because they're
[2:26:51] competing with our restaurants here.
[2:26:57] Can I don't
[2:27:02] » All right. Thank you,
[2:27:03] >> Jar. Appreciate it.
[2:27:06] >> All right.
[2:27:08] >> So, now we have item two on our agenda,
[2:27:12] uh, C city council reports. And Bistol,
[2:27:16] >> I Yeah. So, I cover four different
[2:27:20] areas. um public works advisory
[2:27:23] commission rock and party you were there
[2:27:26] so that was awesome.
[2:27:29] >> Yes, it's always a good
[2:27:31] party and I think you know the
[2:27:34] >> little bit of
[2:27:37] >> the transportation utility fee is
[2:27:39] probably the biggest thing that public
[2:27:41] works has been talking about the last
[2:27:44] little bit. Um
[2:27:47] anything you'd want to add there?
[2:27:50] Yeah, it's at the forefront of our
[2:27:51] efforts right now and um we're excited
[2:27:54] to
[2:27:56] be making an announcement shortly
[2:27:57] regarding a new public that we will help
[2:28:01] those efforts.
[2:28:02] >> That's another big thing you do.
[2:28:04] >> Yeah. And so I appreci
[2:28:08] to interview and it's been a been a long
[2:28:11] effort but going to be worth it.
[2:28:15] Yeah, Chris invited me to sit on the
[2:28:17] interviews for that and be part of that
[2:28:18] panel and I enjoyed being a part of that
[2:28:20] process. That was great.
[2:28:21] >> Um, events commission is another one
[2:28:23] that Jeff and I serve on and our big
[2:28:26] event of the year is coming up with uh
[2:28:28] ORMFest. So, we're excited to see all
[2:28:32] those laborers come to pass and have a
[2:28:34] great celebration for ORM. It's always a
[2:28:36] fantastic week. Um, I also serve in the
[2:28:38] ORM Youth Council, uh, with Chris and we
[2:28:41] just wrapped that up last month for the
[2:28:44] school year. Um, the kids all loved
[2:28:47] being a part of that and really enjoyed
[2:28:49] their time. So, I'm excited to see the
[2:28:51] new kids coming in in the new school
[2:28:52] year. I've had a couple emails from
[2:28:55] >> um,
[2:28:58] >> participants in the Miss ORM teen
[2:29:01] project where I had talked to them about
[2:29:03] the ORM youth council. They didn't know
[2:29:04] that was a thing. So they they were
[2:29:06] excited to try and participate in that
[2:29:08] coming year. I'm also I serve with the
[2:29:11] legislative policy committee for ULC and
[2:29:14] we've had a little bit of a break since
[2:29:16] um the legislative session ended and the
[2:29:20] St. George thing. Um so that'll be
[2:29:22] starting up again this next month and
[2:29:24] I'm excited to see what's going on in
[2:29:26] the interim sessions.
[2:29:29] >> About it.
[2:29:30] >> Thank you. Thank you for for your
[2:29:32] service on those different boards and
[2:29:34] commissions and for the update. All
[2:29:36] right, this evening's agenda we have
[2:29:41] uh it says just so you know the
[2:29:43] invocation and this racial thought and
[2:29:46] says invitation I got that covered on
[2:29:49] that. I I just didn't have names by the
[2:29:52] time it holiday weekend and Teresa
[2:29:54] needed to get that out. We do have some
[2:29:58] presentations. We have Representative
[2:30:00] Nelson Abbott coming to present. We have
[2:30:03] the natural resources advisory
[2:30:06] commission awards. We have the Ormfest
[2:30:08] kickoff
[2:30:10] coming up. We have our summer reading
[2:30:12] program
[2:30:13] uh from the library and then the Miss
[2:30:15] Orm introductions and so we'll we will
[2:30:18] have that time and then we will also
[2:30:21] have a presentation a police autism
[2:30:23] picnic. After that, personal appearances
[2:30:26] against one consent item is to update
[2:30:29] the city council 2026 agenda. Trace has
[2:30:32] sent that out. Some updates on that. And
[2:30:37] then the scheduled items
[2:30:40] presentation. This one doesn't require a
[2:30:41] vote. This one, as I understand, is
[2:30:43] information only. It's community
[2:30:46] development block grant updated annual
[2:30:48] action plan and proposed budget.
[2:30:50] And then we do have a public hearing
[2:30:52] after that amending a number of articles
[2:30:55] in our city code relating to the powers
[2:30:57] and duties of the planning division
[2:30:59] special exceptions. So do you have any
[2:31:02] questions? Do you want to ask about that
[2:31:04] in here or because Jared Jared is going
[2:31:06] to be Paul is be presenting that but
[2:31:09] looks like it's moving things from the
[2:31:10] board of adjustment over to the planning
[2:31:12] commission pretty much and
[2:31:16] some things. And then we have
[2:31:18] >> can I just ask quickly how I was there
[2:31:22] when that was that logic was presented
[2:31:23] to client commission but it would be
[2:31:24] worth I think just two sentence version
[2:31:26] of of logic.
[2:31:29] Yes, there's a under a specific type of
[2:31:34] development where if you have a single
[2:31:37] family home that's almost completely
[2:31:40] surrounded by a higher density, uh there
[2:31:44] isn't a path for you to go and get a
[2:31:49] premium. you have to go to the board of
[2:31:52] adjustment
[2:31:54] to for them to make a determination and
[2:31:57] then it comes back to planning
[2:31:58] commission to basically make a very
[2:32:00] similar determination and it just seemed
[2:32:04] really
[2:32:05] redundant and inefficient to do it that
[2:32:07] way when planning to be looking at it
[2:32:10] from a much broader perspective anyway.
[2:32:13] >> Okay.
[2:32:14] So, thank you. So, that's going to
[2:32:16] be a public hearing. And let me I won't
[2:32:19] put your husband on the spot if he was
[2:32:26] a good sport.
[2:32:28] Then we have another uh public hearing
[2:32:30] and ordinance amending our zoning
[2:32:31] ordinance, our zoning map over the old
[2:32:34] central Utah water conservancy district
[2:32:37] properties over on University Parkway
[2:32:41] from R8 single family residential to C2
[2:32:44] along with the development agreement and
[2:32:46] the development agreement it's the it
[2:32:50] actually has a list of uses that would
[2:32:52] not be allowed on there including gas
[2:32:55] stations
[2:32:57] like that. So that appears to be our
[2:33:00] agenda this this evening and then oh we
[2:33:04] cannot forget our esteemed city manager.
[2:33:06] He will have some information items and
[2:33:08] then we will adjourn.
[2:33:11] So that's and look at the oh look at the
[2:33:14] time. Any other council members want to
[2:33:16] report on anything they're working on?
[2:33:19] If not, let's just
[2:33:20] >> So, we're doing the um
[2:33:24] active transportation plan in our tax.
[2:33:26] So, if anybody has any ideas for bike
[2:33:28] paths or biking or anything
[2:33:31] want to, you know, add, let us know.
[2:33:35] >> When's the timeline for that?
[2:33:36] >> We'll have it done by the end of the
[2:33:38] year. So, October, maybe September.
[2:33:42] >> And you're you're racing, I'm sure, with
[2:33:44] all the bike folks. almost.
[2:33:49] » Yes. Thank you all. Thank you all for
[2:33:50] serving on those different as leazison
[2:33:53] for those different boards and
[2:33:54] commissions and thank you for being really involved in all the
[2:33:59] different events that we have here at
[2:34:00] the cities. We're in a month of bus a
[2:34:03] lot of things happening in a couple of
[2:34:04] weeks with my all the different warmfest
[2:34:08] things and so my little jar is getting
[2:34:12] full of the of where I have to pay in if
[2:34:14] I call in a season rather than
[2:34:20] I don't want the city I don't want the
[2:34:23] another city over back there. So yes,
[2:34:26] I'm trying really hard and
[2:34:30] but yes, I'm excited for that. And
[2:34:32] anyway, we actually are you how are you
[2:34:35] feeling about the pace of our work
[2:34:37] session? I wanted to ask about that. I
[2:34:39] we talked I talked to staff about maybe
[2:34:42] not having as many items on our agenda
[2:34:45] so we can go at a more deliberate pace
[2:34:47] rather than always feeling like we're
[2:34:50] panicked and at least that maybe it's
[2:34:52] just me. It's like
[2:34:54] >> are you okay with this amount of time
[2:34:56] like I can walk through this amount of
[2:34:58] stuff.
[2:35:00] >> It's it's we're able to the detail and
[2:35:04] also deliberate more than just
[2:35:08] fire host.
[2:35:09] >> Yeah, I think so too. And we do have
[2:35:11] some a few minutes here and it's not
[2:35:12] you'll give us a chance just to visit.
[2:35:14] We don't get to visit with each other as
[2:35:16] much you know. So anyway,
[2:35:20] >> may I just offer that I I think this
[2:35:21] past week has been extraordinary
[2:35:26] >> that the city has shined in a way that
[2:35:28] uh communities don't have that
[2:35:30] opportunity. And we have some of the
[2:35:33] most elite um executive staff, planners,
[2:35:37] and folks who have who have created
[2:35:40] environments for our citizens to find uh
[2:35:43] hope, success, uh peace, um
[2:35:47] opportunities. meal that we've created
[2:35:50] over the last few days and just the
[2:35:52] events that I've had the opportunity to
[2:35:53] be.
[2:35:55] >> So, just want to express gratitude for
[2:35:57] all of them doing lately
[2:36:00] >> and it was super impressive last night
[2:36:01] at this era of our firefighters up there
[2:36:04] on the stage.
[2:36:07] >> That was
[2:36:09] some really good pictures. I'll get to
[2:36:10] Pete. We'll do a post.
[2:36:12] >> Yeah,
[2:36:12] >> that was so sweet. And also the
[2:36:14] >> We all got it.
[2:36:15] >> And they got the standing ovation for
[2:36:17] like a long time.
[2:36:18] >> Yeah, it's great.
[2:36:19] >> They deserved it truly.
[2:36:21] >> And that's the Sierra I write it down.
[2:36:24] America should read the Sierra Salutes
[2:36:26] series. They're going to be doing those.
[2:36:27] But um
[2:36:28] >> how honored for our fire to be the first
[2:36:30] ones.
[2:36:31] >> Yeah, it's really nice.
[2:36:32] >> It's great.
[2:36:35] Well, if we don't have anything else,
[2:36:37] we'll just journ until we
[2:36:41] come back together.
[2:36:43] >> I make a motion we adjourn then.
[2:36:45] >> All right. Motion in a second.
[2:36:48] >> All right.
[2:36:50] >> We will reconvene
[2:36:54] at six.
[2:36:55] >> Thank you.
[2:46:28] I saw that the dog one got it.
[2:46:31] >> Yeah,
[2:46:37] » that's what I thought too.
[2:46:42] Probably like complaints like
[2:46:45] I know that most of the stuff I
[2:46:49] Anyway, so we're introduc
[2:47:27] There was a really great like
[2:47:33] » and my girls all watched it.
[2:47:44] So that the where
[2:47:56] I saw you were in Jack.
[2:48:01] » Yeah, I saw it.
[2:48:04] >> Oh, is that why should they're official?
[2:48:09] >> Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for
[2:48:11] letting us know, Lori. I should the
[2:48:13] word.
[2:48:15] >> Yeah,
[2:48:19] » we'll be there when it's time.
[2:48:21] >> Awesome.
[2:48:22] >> We like to be flexible.
[2:48:24] >> Hey, appreciate you.
[2:51:08] Test test.
[2:51:10] >> Yeah.
[2:59:08] All right. I would like to welcome you
[2:59:10] to this evening's city council meeting.
[2:59:12] Thank you for your attendance. We're
[2:59:15] going to go ahead and start with an
[2:59:18] invocation by Tom Scribner. And after
[2:59:22] the invocation, the pledge of allegiance
[2:59:24] will be led by Glenna Scribner. So,
[2:59:26] thank you for coming and doing that this
[2:59:28] evening.
[2:59:34] » Heavenly Father, we are grateful to be
[2:59:36] here this evening. We are so grateful to
[2:59:40] live in this country
[2:59:42] and to be in an area that is safe and
[2:59:47] a place where we are capable of meeting
[2:59:50] like this to discuss various issues.
[2:59:55] We ask you to bless this meeting with
[2:59:57] thy spirit. Bless everyone who speaks
[3:00:00] that they may do so civily.
[3:00:04] And bless us that bless each of us as we
[3:00:08] are in this year of 250
[3:00:11] years for our republic that we can be
[3:00:15] humbled in remembering the sacrifices of
[3:00:18] our forebears. And we say these things
[3:00:19] in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[3:00:34] Please stand and repeat the pledge of
[3:00:36] allegiance with me.
[3:00:39] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[3:00:43] United States of America and to the
[3:00:47] republic for which it stands, one nation
[3:00:50] under God. indivisible with liberty and
[3:00:54] justice for all.
[3:01:02] » Thank you, Scriers, for for the
[3:01:04] invocation and the pledge of allegiance.
[3:01:09] After the pledge of allegiance, as as we
[3:01:12] were reciting that, I reminded me of the
[3:01:14] wonderful events that we've had this
[3:01:15] past weekend here in ORM. we had the
[3:01:18] opportunity to gather out here and
[3:01:22] dedicate our uh gold star family
[3:01:26] memorial and invite you to go take a
[3:01:29] look at that after the council meeting.
[3:01:32] And then we also had a wonderful
[3:01:34] Memorial Day program yesterday and so
[3:01:36] grateful for this country and for the
[3:01:38] opportunities we've had this last few
[3:01:41] days to remember those who have served.
[3:01:44] We have a number of presentations this
[3:01:46] evening. Our first presentation is going
[3:01:49] to be a legislative report given by
[3:01:52] Representative Nelson Abbott. So, I'd
[3:01:53] like to welcome you to come up. Um,
[3:01:55] Representative Abbott.
[3:02:02] » Yes. Thank you for having me. It's good
[3:02:04] to be here. I appreciate the work you do
[3:02:06] and the good things you're doing for
[3:02:08] ORM. I was here Friday night for the
[3:02:11] gold star memorial and that is a
[3:02:13] wonderful thing and it was a super
[3:02:15] touching ceremony and very well done. So
[3:02:17] I appreciate the efforts you're making
[3:02:19] as a city council and mayor and city
[3:02:22] manager to uh
[3:02:25] make ORM a better place. So my name is
[3:02:27] Nelson Abbott. I represent about a third
[3:02:29] of the population of ORM and I rep
[3:02:32] represent about 80% of vineyard at the
[3:02:36] Utah legislature. I'm in the House of
[3:02:38] Representatives and so I was asked to
[3:02:40] just come and kind of report on I guess
[3:02:43] a few things that are happening and kind
[3:02:45] of some of our priorities. One of the
[3:02:47] things uh we're super worried about is
[3:02:50] uh the cost of living and it's a little
[3:02:52] frustrating at the state level and I'm
[3:02:53] sure you're experiencing the same thing
[3:02:55] at the city level in that we don't have
[3:02:57] a lot of options because most of the
[3:02:59] levers that drive the cost of living
[3:03:02] happen at the federal level. So our
[3:03:05] hands are somewhat tight. Uh, for
[3:03:07] example, uh, starting July 1st, gas tax
[3:03:10] will be reduced about 15%.
[3:03:14] Which sounds good, but I'm not sure
[3:03:16] anybody will notice because gas is up
[3:03:19] probably double, uh, or more in the past
[3:03:22] few months. So, there's there's a lot of
[3:03:25] issues going on like that. But, uh, some
[3:03:26] of the things we've done is, um, we have
[3:03:30] lowered, um, income tax substantially
[3:03:33] over the past six years. We've increased
[3:03:36] funding for education
[3:03:38] um significantly. It's up about 36% over
[3:03:42] the last six years. Just this year, we
[3:03:44] raised the weighted pupil unit by 4.6%.
[3:03:49] So, we're trying to continue to fund
[3:03:50] education. I know that's important for
[3:03:52] Orman Vineyard in that we have a new
[3:03:54] school district and there's going to be
[3:03:55] some economic constraints that they face
[3:03:58] given um just the division and and
[3:04:01] what's going on with all that. So, those
[3:04:04] are those are some of my priorities. Um,
[3:04:07] and
[3:04:10] you know, uh, I guess another priority I
[3:04:12] I'll mention is just I appreciate the
[3:04:14] working relationship I have with you in
[3:04:16] that, uh, you guys have helped me screen
[3:04:18] bills and say, "Hey, this is going to
[3:04:20] impact citizens of ORM or or Vineyard in
[3:04:24] this way." And so, be aware of that. And
[3:04:25] I appreciate that good working
[3:04:27] relationship and the input that you
[3:04:28] give. And uh so I guess that's about my
[3:04:32] presentation. I'm happy to answer
[3:04:33] questions or um but probably don't have
[3:04:36] a lot more to say than that.
[3:04:38] >> Right. Thank you. And likewise, we
[3:04:40] appreciate the relationship we have with
[3:04:42] you that we're you're very accessible
[3:04:44] and we're able to come in and visit with
[3:04:46] you about different pieces of
[3:04:48] legislation and how they will impact
[3:04:50] those we both represent. And so council,
[3:04:52] do you have any questions for
[3:04:54] representative Abbott?
[3:04:56] >> Okay, council member Mikum. Uh thank you
[3:04:59] for being here. You are my
[3:05:00] representative. I'm in your third of
[3:05:01] orum. So
[3:05:02] >> right, fantastic.
[3:05:03] >> Uh it's great to have you here. Between
[3:05:05] now and the next legislative session uh
[3:05:07] in January, u what are your priorities?
[3:05:10] What will you be working on in
[3:05:11] particular to get ready for that
[3:05:12] session? And how can we support you?
[3:05:15] >> So you know, I think one of the issues
[3:05:16] that everybody's facing right now, well,
[3:05:20] I think people in ORM are concerned
[3:05:21] about it, although it's distant enough
[3:05:23] from us, is uh the data center up north,
[3:05:26] right? So, we're hearing that a lot in
[3:05:28] the news, but I think the broader
[3:05:29] picture is um how do we deal with tax
[3:05:33] increment financing and giving tax
[3:05:35] incentives to certain businesses or
[3:05:36] organizations that has grown
[3:05:38] substantially over the past few years
[3:05:40] and I think a lot of us in the
[3:05:42] legislature realize that while that
[3:05:44] serves a purpose, we probably need some
[3:05:47] more guard rails and we need some more
[3:05:50] careful structuring of those
[3:05:52] organizations so that elected officials
[3:05:55] have more respons responsibility and
[3:05:57] more say as to actually who gets those.
[3:05:59] And so that's one of the things I'm
[3:06:01] going to be working on is to try and
[3:06:02] figure out how we can rein that back.
[3:06:04] It's always hard when you have a
[3:06:06] government program.
[3:06:08] It's it's easy to start government
[3:06:10] programs. It's hard to end government
[3:06:12] programs. So, it's going to be a
[3:06:13] challenge. It's going to be difficult,
[3:06:15] but that's one of the things I'm going
[3:06:16] to be working on.
[3:06:20] Mayor and Council, if I can just also
[3:06:22] echo um what what mayor has said. Uh
[3:06:26] Representative Nelson Abbott has been
[3:06:28] very thoughtful, very smart, very
[3:06:30] accessible, willing to engage and open
[3:06:33] to to feedback and take take our uh
[3:06:37] input into account. ORM has a lot of of
[3:06:40] great uh state legislators and
[3:06:43] Representative Abbott is absolutely, you
[3:06:46] know, uh not lagging in that regard and he's just been wonderful to work
[3:06:50] with.
[3:06:51] >> Thank you.
[3:06:53] Appreciate you.
[3:06:54] >> All right. Thank you.
[3:06:55] >> Well, we've got somebody else.
[3:06:57] >> Can I just say one more thing?
[3:06:59] >> We noticed that your sweetheart is here
[3:07:01] with you this evening.
[3:07:02] >> Yes, she is. And we just want to say
[3:07:05] again, thank you to you for all that you
[3:07:07] do and all that you have done to bless
[3:07:09] us here in Oram, all of your hard work.
[3:07:12] But we just want to say thank you to
[3:07:13] your wife as well. We know that she puts
[3:07:16] up with a lot and sacrifices a lot to
[3:07:18] allow you to be able to do what you do.
[3:07:21] So, thank you to both of you.
[3:07:22] >> Thank you. That's appreciated.
[3:07:23] >> Yes. Have a good
[3:07:24] >> Yes. Thank you. Um, Mrs. have it. I It
[3:07:28] is a running and having someone serving
[3:07:30] elected office is definitely a a family
[3:07:32] affair,
[3:07:33] family and friends. So, thank you. Um
[3:07:37] before next item, I neglected to excuse
[3:07:40] council member Gail. She will not be um
[3:07:43] will not be here this evening. Our
[3:07:45] second presentation this evening is from
[3:07:48] Bradley Day, our community and
[3:07:50] sustainability officer, and its natural
[3:07:52] resources advisory commission awards.
[3:07:54] So, I'd like to invite Bradley up for
[3:07:56] that.
[3:08:08] » And it looks like you have two of your
[3:08:10] commission members.
[3:08:11] >> Yeah.
[3:08:11] >> With you this evening. Indeed.
[3:08:13] >> Welcome.
[3:08:14] >> Check.
[3:08:14] >> Yeah. And I'll actually hand the time
[3:08:17] off to them. Um, I'll hand the time to
[3:08:19] Hillary Hungerford, but uh, we will also
[3:08:21] make time for the recipient families to
[3:08:23] share a couple remarks as well for these
[3:08:25] awards.
[3:08:27] >> Thank you. Um, hello Mayor, hello um,
[3:08:32] council members and hello fellow ORM
[3:08:34] residents. We're very excited to present
[3:08:37] our natural resource advisory commission
[3:08:40] awards this year. Um, on behalf of ORM's
[3:08:44] Natural Resource Advisory Commission,
[3:08:46] we're privileged to recognize local
[3:08:48] leaders champion championing clean air,
[3:08:52] energy efficiency, water- wise
[3:08:54] landscaping, waste and recycling, green
[3:08:57] space, healthy ecosystems,
[3:08:59] local agriculture, and outdoor
[3:09:02] recreation. Our two winners tonight are
[3:09:05] ORM residents who have gone above and
[3:09:07] beyond using their personal yards to
[3:09:10] directly benefit our community. So, we'd
[3:09:13] like to invite our winners up. Cole Lwig
[3:09:16] and Orin Cooper, please come up.
[3:09:21] So, I'm just going to say a brief uh
[3:09:23] word about each and then they'll they'll
[3:09:26] say um so Cole, you're going to be
[3:09:28] first. Uh both of these residents took
[3:09:32] amazing and really different approaches
[3:09:34] to their landscaping.
[3:09:36] Uh for Cole, he was nominated for
[3:09:38] creating a naturallooking and feeling
[3:09:41] habitat for native pollinators. He
[3:09:44] turned a large portion of his lawn into
[3:09:46] a thriving native pollinator garden. And
[3:09:49] he worked with the state department of
[3:09:50] agriculture to con collect native
[3:09:53] plants. He created a highly drought
[3:09:56] tolerant garden full of color and life.
[3:09:59] If you we would invite you to say a few
[3:10:01] words.
[3:10:03] So the um this was actually something
[3:10:07] real exciting for my family. We about 5
[3:10:11] years ago decided that we wanted to cut
[3:10:14] down on our water use and our lawn being
[3:10:19] a big
[3:10:21] um pull for all that water. So we we
[3:10:24] reduced down our grass to about a third
[3:10:26] of what it was and then had all this
[3:10:29] extra space that we we didn't know what
[3:10:32] to do with and I just happened to run
[3:10:35] into on Facebook a post about the
[3:10:38] pollinator habitat program. It's
[3:10:41] something that was started back in 2002
[3:10:43] by our state legislature uh with the
[3:10:46] Department of Agriculture where they supply
[3:10:51] uh
[3:10:53] a lot of native plants to families to
[3:10:56] just plant in areas that they have. Um,
[3:10:59] Utah is home to over a thousand
[3:11:02] different types of native bees
[3:11:05] and we're we part of what we're doing is
[3:11:10] trying to do our best to
[3:11:13] um create a good living space for them.
[3:11:17] Um, even recently
[3:11:20] I've been out there just kind of seeing
[3:11:23] what what we've attracted. We have a lot
[3:11:25] of carpenter bees that are just there
[3:11:28] hanging around all the flowers. Um, a
[3:11:31] lot of smaller solitary bees that we
[3:11:34] don't really hear about cuz most of what
[3:11:36] we hear about is the the honeybees,
[3:11:40] but there's so much more than than just
[3:11:42] those guys. And
[3:11:45] we we love going out. We love seeing the
[3:11:47] flowers, all the activity, the the
[3:11:49] butterflies and things like that. And
[3:11:52] it's been it's been really exciting for
[3:11:55] us to to have this opportunity and to be
[3:11:58] able to grow it.
[3:12:00] >> Great. Thank you.
[3:12:02] >> Yeah.
[3:12:08] » Take a seat for a minute, then we'll
[3:12:09] come back up to present the award. The
[3:12:11] next is Orin Cooper.
[3:12:15] I think Orurin is here. Yeah. Okay.
[3:12:18] Good. Welcome. I haven't met either of
[3:12:20] these people before tonight. Very
[3:12:22] exciting. So, Lauren and his family
[3:12:25] turned their entire front yard into a
[3:12:27] productive garden. They made sustainable
[3:12:30] landscaping a true priority in their
[3:12:33] lives. Their yard feeds fresh food for
[3:12:35] their family and it gives neighbors and
[3:12:38] the community a unique opportunity to
[3:12:40] enjoy locally grown vegetables. So, we'd
[3:12:43] love to hear from you.
[3:12:44] >> Thanks. So, our motivations were similar
[3:12:46] to what we just heard that um our lawn,
[3:12:50] as you can see up here, we used 90
[3:12:52] 96,000 gallons of water last year in a
[3:12:55] month just to try to keep our lawn
[3:12:57] green. We live where our lawn was
[3:12:59] sloped. And that's a lot of water. In
[3:13:02] fact, we saved enough water over the
[3:13:04] year by changing this landscape for a
[3:13:06] household of four in Orum to live and
[3:13:09] do, you know, everything except for have
[3:13:11] a lawn. Um so that very similar
[3:13:14] motivations. Um one of the other things
[3:13:17] that I wanted to share about tonight,
[3:13:18] you can show the other picture of the um
[3:13:20] garden. Um here where we had, you know,
[3:13:24] 60some tomato plants. We've got those
[3:13:26] planted this year. Um love fresh
[3:13:28] produce. Um we ran into some challenges
[3:13:32] actually doing this. Um, I went to apply
[3:13:35] for grants and the city of ORM and the
[3:13:37] city provo don't qualify for some of the
[3:13:39] state grants because of the current
[3:13:41] legislation about how much our yard
[3:13:43] needs to be grass and those those
[3:13:45] requirements. Um, we had some challenges
[3:13:49] initially with this the city. We went
[3:13:52] from being reported as one of the
[3:13:53] ugliest yards to in 15 months being
[3:13:56] reported as one of the most beautiful
[3:13:57] yards because it was a process. you
[3:14:00] know, we took all the grass out. It was
[3:14:02] basically mud through the through the
[3:14:03] winter. And thankfully, city manager
[3:14:05] Bbeby was very helpful um in that
[3:14:08] process. So, I hope this can be a start
[3:14:11] of a conversation to look at how we can
[3:14:14] change some of the ordinances. Um I
[3:14:17] don't know if you've seen in the last
[3:14:18] couple of days, but Salt Lake City,
[3:14:20] their main water supplier, is going to
[3:14:21] start charging fines or fees if the
[3:14:24] various cities overuse um their allotted
[3:14:27] amount of water. So again, I don't I
[3:14:29] haven't studied all the ins and outs of
[3:14:31] how we we get our water, but the fact
[3:14:33] that we could encourage more citizens to
[3:14:35] save water and even return that to
[3:14:37] groundwater in years that we have
[3:14:38] excess. Um, again, I'd love to follow up
[3:14:42] more so that more people have these
[3:14:44] pollinator friendly and um, beautiful
[3:14:46] yards. Thank you.
[3:14:48] >> Thank you.
[3:14:53] Okay, we would love to officially
[3:14:55] present you all with your awards and
[3:14:57] take picture with the mayor and city
[3:14:59] council. So, please come forward. Do we
[3:15:01] do it all as a group? Okay. All as a
[3:15:04] group.
[3:15:11] » And it's cool to see yours as a family
[3:15:12] up here, too.
[3:15:15] >> We actually live across the street from
[3:15:16] each other.
[3:15:29] Awesome.
[3:15:31] Okay, I'm going to have the front row.
[3:15:33] Everyone just take a step this way.
[3:15:36] Perfect.
[3:15:50] Okay,
[3:15:52] perfect.
[3:15:54] >> Sarah, I might have you come on this
[3:15:55] side with me. Is that okay?
[3:15:57] >> Thank you.
[3:15:58] >> All right, everyone look at me. Three,
[3:16:00] two, one.
[3:16:04] All right.
[3:16:06] >> Hey, we're good.
[3:16:16] Thank you and congratulations. Oh, those
[3:16:19] are beautiful flowers. Very beautiful
[3:16:22] >> today from their yard.
[3:16:24] >> Wow, that's amazing. I'm having yard
[3:16:27] envy. And I've got some goals, some more
[3:16:31] goals now. They got the backyard with a
[3:16:34] lot less grass. Now the front's the next
[3:16:37] target. So, thank you. Congratulations
[3:16:40] and thank you for being such good
[3:16:41] examples in our community. Our next item
[3:16:44] is ourfest kickoff and we have Kenise
[3:16:49] Whitaker and Sydney Bailey from our
[3:16:52] event staff here this evening. Thank
[3:16:55] you. Welcome.
[3:17:15] All right. So, here to talk about
[3:17:18] everybody's favorite week of the year,
[3:17:21] ORMFest, which is June 8th through 13th
[3:17:24] this year.
[3:17:26] Um, okay. So, we're going to start with
[3:17:29] this is our theme for ORMFest this year.
[3:17:32] Um, celebrating of course the 250 years
[3:17:35] of freedom in the United States and the
[3:17:37] role that each of us play in preserving
[3:17:40] those freedoms. Orfest 2026 is a tribute
[3:17:43] to the American spirit that has defined
[3:17:44] our nation for two and a half centuries.
[3:17:48] In Family USA, we believe that the
[3:17:50] American story is more than just a
[3:17:51] history lesson. It's a living legacy
[3:17:53] passed from one generation to the next.
[3:17:56] As we mark this historic milestone, we
[3:17:58] honor those who paved the way and the
[3:17:59] citizens who will carry the best of
[3:18:01] their legacy into the future. Red,
[3:18:03] White, Blue, and You celebrates the
[3:18:05] past, the present, and the great hope
[3:18:07] for the future.
[3:18:10] Our
[3:18:12] grand marshall for this year is the
[3:18:14] Colonial Heritage Festival and they
[3:18:17] perfectly embody this year's theme of
[3:18:20] red, white, blue, and you during this
[3:18:23] national America 250 celebration.
[3:18:28] The Colonial Heritage Festival is held
[3:18:30] every year during the week of 4th of
[3:18:33] July. This year it will be held the 2nd
[3:18:35] of July through the 4th of July at the
[3:18:37] Sarah Park. It is the largest colonial
[3:18:40] living history festival east of the 13
[3:18:44] colonies and it's right here in our city
[3:18:46] of Oram.
[3:18:50] The Colonial Heritage Festival's
[3:18:52] revolutionary figures, they have folks
[3:18:54] that dress up such as Benjamin Franklin
[3:18:57] or George Washington and they're going
[3:19:00] to be making special appearances
[3:19:02] throughout Ormfest. So, please make sure
[3:19:04] to watch out for them at our car show
[3:19:06] and at our orchard jam and at our
[3:19:09] carnival days.
[3:19:13] So, we obviously couldn't have done it
[3:19:15] without our event advisory commission.
[3:19:18] We have um 10 of them right now that are
[3:19:21] helping us out through out especially
[3:19:23] this week and throughout the year. And
[3:19:24] then we have a lot of staff that also
[3:19:26] puts a lot of work in to this week which
[3:19:29] makes it all possible.
[3:19:34] This year we have about 19 food vendors
[3:19:37] with a variety of tasty eats for you to
[3:19:40] try and boutiques about 48 different
[3:19:43] vendors with a lot of variety of wares
[3:19:46] too. So please come and check out all of
[3:19:48] these vendors.
[3:19:50] We also wouldn't have been able to do it
[3:19:52] without all of our sponsors, generous
[3:19:56] donors. We have a title sponsor, Surfp
[3:19:58] Pro. They um help us out big time for
[3:20:02] Orfest. And so we had a lot of cash
[3:20:04] donations as well as a lot of inind
[3:20:06] donations um just to help with
[3:20:09] volunteers
[3:20:11] being able to you know come be a part of
[3:20:13] this um giving back to the people that
[3:20:15] make this all possible.
[3:20:19] Okay. So now we're going to just
[3:20:21] highlight some of the events throughout
[3:20:23] the week. Um, our event start off with
[3:20:26] on Monday, June 8th with our Orfest car
[3:20:29] show, which is so much fun. We have over
[3:20:32] a hundred amazing cars that show up for
[3:20:34] this event. Plus, there are free hot
[3:20:36] dogs for the first 2,000 attendees. We
[3:20:39] have lots of businesses um promoting
[3:20:42] what they do for our communities and
[3:20:44] offering free things to and engaging
[3:20:47] activities. On Tuesday, June 9th, there
[3:20:50] is an Orfest pool party. We have
[3:20:53] discounted tickets of only $3 per person
[3:20:55] for admission. And it's not just a fun
[3:20:57] swim. There's music, dancing, contest,
[3:21:01] free ice cream. So, make sure to come
[3:21:03] out for that. On um June 10th, we also
[3:21:06] have an Orfest charity golf tournament
[3:21:10] uh for the Kowanas Club that starts at
[3:21:12] 8:00 a.m. So, if you're a golfer, make
[3:21:14] sure to sign up for that, too.
[3:21:18] And then on Wednesday the 10th, we start
[3:21:21] with our sports fest tournament. So we
[3:21:24] start with a pickle ball tournament all
[3:21:26] day. That is men's tournaments, women's,
[3:21:29] mixed, and then we also have a parent
[3:21:31] and child division, which is really fun.
[3:21:33] Um, and we're still looking for people
[3:21:35] to join that. So if you are interested
[3:21:37] or have neighbors that are interested,
[3:21:39] definitely sign up for that. In the
[3:21:41] evening, we have an event that we do
[3:21:42] with University Place Mall. It's called
[3:21:44] Orchards Jam. This year is America's
[3:21:47] birthday, so we will have foam cannons
[3:21:50] and giant lawn games and free cake and
[3:21:53] balloons. We'll also finish the night
[3:21:55] off with the silent disco. And then we
[3:21:58] have the children's entrepreneurship
[3:22:00] market as well, which is all kids
[3:22:03] version of a farmers market. They're
[3:22:05] very adorable. It's very fun. So,
[3:22:07] definitely come out for that. And then
[3:22:09] we will also start the carnival and the
[3:22:11] food vendors on Thursday. This year we
[3:22:14] have 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on
[3:22:16] Thursday, 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. on
[3:22:18] Friday and Saturday, all at City Center
[3:22:20] Park. We'll have activities for the
[3:22:22] kids, which we'll talk a little bit more
[3:22:23] about, live music, and then like Kenise
[3:22:26] mentioned earlier, really delicious
[3:22:27] food.
[3:22:32] Okay, so for kids crafts, you won't want
[3:22:34] to miss that either. Bring the kids out
[3:22:36] for free craft. They can make that on
[3:22:38] Thursday and on Friday between 1 and 4.
[3:22:42] really fun American themed crafts there
[3:22:44] for you. We also have our maker space
[3:22:46] from Orm Public Library coming out to
[3:22:48] help us out on Friday. So, join us for
[3:22:52] some fun there. Uh sports fest cornhole
[3:22:55] tournament. There are still some there
[3:22:58] are still um am I coming through? Okay.
[3:23:01] There are still some spots
[3:23:03] available for uh signing up for the
[3:23:06] cornhole tournament and Ormfest fit. If
[3:23:09] you haven't done this before, it's a lot
[3:23:11] of fun. A lot of energy outside high
[3:23:13] fitness spotlighting some of our uh
[3:23:16] instructors at the ORM Family Fitness
[3:23:20] Center just over at at behind the ORM
[3:23:23] fitness center. So, come out for that.
[3:23:27] All right. On Friday night, we also have
[3:23:29] the kickball tournament that's going to
[3:23:30] be at Community Park. That's a really
[3:23:32] fun one to get families involved. One of
[3:23:34] the big things this year is also ORM's
[3:23:36] Got Talent. It's the 10th anniversary.
[3:23:39] Um that's always a really fun um way to
[3:23:42] see all of the talented people here in
[3:23:44] ORM. That's at 700 p.m. at City Center
[3:23:46] Stage. And we will finish Friday off
[3:23:49] with a drone show um at 9:45. We'll have
[3:23:53] music there. You can also tune in to
[3:23:55] KOHS to hear the music if you're a
[3:23:58] little bit farther away. And should be
[3:24:00] really fun and exciting this year.
[3:24:06] Okay. Then comes Saturday, which is very
[3:24:09] packed with fun. We start off the day
[3:24:12] with um our rotary pancake breakfast.
[3:24:15] That's between 8 and 10. And there's
[3:24:18] always delicious toppings for this these
[3:24:20] pancakes. So come out and support the
[3:24:22] Orm Rotary Club for that. Um we also
[3:24:26] just after you filled up, you can
[3:24:28] stretch out with yoga at the park just
[3:24:30] in front of the city center stage. Uh
[3:24:33] there is a baby contest. So if you have
[3:24:35] a cute adorable one, make sure to
[3:24:37] register for that. That contest um takes
[3:24:40] place over at the Hillrest Park Center
[3:24:42] and winners get to ride in the parade.
[3:24:48] And then last but definitely not least,
[3:24:51] um this year new is the Oram Fire
[3:24:53] Department fun run, which will happen
[3:24:56] before the parade. So we'll have a lot
[3:24:59] of fun, you know, people cheering
[3:25:01] everyone on. it is in support of the
[3:25:04] fire department um restoring the
[3:25:07] historic engine number one and all of
[3:25:10] their um funding for that. And so we
[3:25:12] have registration also online. Then
[3:25:16] right following that we'll have the
[3:25:17] grand parade um which you know we are
[3:25:20] excited for all of you guys to be a part
[3:25:22] of. Excited to have everybody in there
[3:25:24] to finish the week off. Um and we'll
[3:25:28] finish it with the fireworks um at City
[3:25:31] Center Park. And so that is kind of the
[3:25:33] end of the perfect week of Ormfest.
[3:25:38] >> We hope.
[3:25:39] >> Perfect.
[3:25:40] >> That's awesome.
[3:25:41] >> Do you guys have any questions?
[3:25:42] >> Any questions? Uh Council Member Mill.
[3:25:44] >> So I just have a couple comments. So now
[3:25:47] verify this for me. I was told last
[3:25:49] night that the fun run is along the
[3:25:52] parade route right before the parade.
[3:25:54] So, you get to run in front of all your
[3:25:56] peeps and yes
[3:25:58] along, right? That is right.
[3:26:00] >> Then I just want to do a big shout out.
[3:26:02] So, I've done the what was it called? I
[3:26:04] wrote it down. Orfest fit and that was
[3:26:07] so fun. Um I'm glad to see you moved it
[3:26:10] to 8:00 p.m. because I think we had it
[3:26:12] earlier and it was a little warm when we
[3:26:14] did it earlier. So, just I love that.
[3:26:16] And then the last thing I want to say is
[3:26:18] thank you so much for your efforts to
[3:26:22] uh find support in the community and to
[3:26:24] have this sponsored because it used to
[3:26:25] be a a a budget item. So you guys have
[3:26:29] done a great job of helping our
[3:26:31] community help us pay for this party. So
[3:26:33] thank you.
[3:26:35] Yes. Thank you. And I'll put a plug in
[3:26:37] for the ORM fire department fund run. I did that many, many years
[3:26:41] ago and it was along the parade route
[3:26:44] and it was really fun and I wondered why
[3:26:46] everybody was so excited when I came by.
[3:26:49] You know, they're giving me high fives.
[3:26:50] It was because I was in last place and
[3:26:52] they knew that the parade was going to
[3:26:54] start as soon as that woman went by with
[3:26:57] that ambulance behind her, which I was
[3:26:59] glad to have. But, um, but anyway, it it
[3:27:02] was it was really fun and so it's good
[3:27:04] cause. The whole event, the whole all of
[3:27:06] Worms is really fun. So excited to to be
[3:27:09] part of it this year. Thank you.
[3:27:23] » All right. Our next item on the agenda
[3:27:25] is our summer reading program and our
[3:27:28] presenter is program librarian me
[3:27:30] flenders pay. Welcome.
[3:27:36] Thank you for having me here today. Let
[3:27:38] me just get this.
[3:27:41] Is that better? Is it working? Okay.
[3:27:42] Thank you.
[3:27:44] >> All right. Uh my name is Meg Flenders
[3:27:47] and I am the program librarian at the
[3:27:48] ORM Library. Um I'm excited to share a
[3:27:51] little bit about the summer reading
[3:27:52] program that we have this year. Um and
[3:27:54] to give you a glimpse of all the hard
[3:27:56] work and effort that our library staff
[3:27:58] have been putting in for over a year to
[3:27:59] get ready for this summer. Our theme
[3:28:01] this year, which was selected by the
[3:28:03] collaborative summer library program, is
[3:28:05] unearth a story.
[3:28:07] Um, we are really excited about this
[3:28:09] theme. Whether readers are digging into
[3:28:11] a good book, uncovering hidden
[3:28:13] histories, or exploring the past, the
[3:28:15] slogan underscores the joy of discovery
[3:28:17] that reading brings. It also emphasizes
[3:28:19] that every person in every community has
[3:28:21] stories waiting to be found and shared
[3:28:23] through books, programs, and local
[3:28:25] knowledge. We run our program through an
[3:28:28] app called Beanstack, where patrons can
[3:28:30] create an account and track their
[3:28:31] reading minutes to earn badges and
[3:28:33] qualify for prizes and our special
[3:28:35] finale event. We anticipate about 2,000
[3:28:37] participants between the ages of 0 to
[3:28:39] 18. The goals of our summer reading
[3:28:42] program are to encourage children and
[3:28:44] families to read over the summer break
[3:28:46] and to lessen the summer slide, which is
[3:28:48] a decline in reading comprehension and
[3:28:50] reading skills that can happen when
[3:28:51] children are not in school. We also want
[3:28:53] our young patrons to develop positive
[3:28:55] attitudes about books and reading. And
[3:28:57] we're also excited to provide free,
[3:28:59] engaging, and educational experiences
[3:29:01] for our community throughout the summer.
[3:29:04] We're starting the program off this
[3:29:06] Saturday, May 30th, with our kickoff
[3:29:09] event, In Time, which is presented by a
[3:29:11] performing group, Live History Shows.
[3:29:13] This interactive experience blends
[3:29:15] elements of an escape room, theatrical
[3:29:17] performance, and quest as our patrons
[3:29:20] explore the library, and solve clues to
[3:29:22] complete the mission before their time
[3:29:24] is up. Patrons can sign up for the
[3:29:27] kickoff at library.orum.gov.
[3:29:33] Um, along with the kickoff, we have an
[3:29:35] exciting lineup of programs this summer,
[3:29:38] including a red pyramid party
[3:29:40] celebrating the popular junior fiction
[3:29:41] series by Rick Ryarden. Film screenings,
[3:29:45] Mammoth Day, where we are excited to
[3:29:46] feature Mero and talk about the mammoth
[3:29:49] discovered in Oram. Um, trash talk where
[3:29:52] our teens will get to dig through trash,
[3:29:54] which we are creating ourselves, so it's
[3:29:56] actually it's not like actual garbage.
[3:29:58] um to learn how archaeologists study
[3:30:01] civilizations um as well as many other
[3:30:04] fun and educational programs for all
[3:30:06] ages. Uh you can subscribe to the
[3:30:08] library email newsletter to find out
[3:30:09] more about the events that are happening
[3:30:11] all summer long.
[3:30:15] Oh yeah.
[3:30:20] People get it
[3:30:21] >> good. Okay.
[3:30:24] Um, in addition to great events, our
[3:30:27] patrons can also earn prizes for
[3:30:29] reading. We have ticket prize drawings
[3:30:31] that readers can enter to win in um, and
[3:30:33] these include donations from local
[3:30:35] businesses and museums as well as toys,
[3:30:38] books, and games. Everyone who finishes
[3:30:40] the challenge at ages 0 to 11 will earn
[3:30:43] a dinosaur toy, while our teen readers
[3:30:45] will earn a goodie bag, which they have
[3:30:47] picked themselves, which what they want
[3:30:49] in it, which I think is really fun. Um,
[3:30:52] we will also have a special prize this
[3:30:54] year for completionists. They will earn
[3:30:55] a real fossil that was actually dug out
[3:30:58] by our librarians back in the fall. Uh,
[3:31:01] which was really fun. And you can see
[3:31:02] some of us here in that picture. We had
[3:31:03] a really good time getting to do that.
[3:31:05] Um, and then our completionists will
[3:31:08] also earn entry into our annual pool
[3:31:11] party finale at the Sierra Pool. So,
[3:31:13] we're excited to celebrate and reward
[3:31:15] reading all summer. Um, and we wanted to
[3:31:18] thank uh the city council and city
[3:31:20] administration and the amazing staff
[3:31:22] throughout the city and the library for
[3:31:23] making this program possible. Um, did
[3:31:26] you have any questions or comments?
[3:31:30] >> Can we do one for grown-ups?
[3:31:31] >> Yeah, we actually do have a challenge
[3:31:33] for our grown-ups. Uh, it's called the
[3:31:35] ORM reading challenge. Uh, and it is
[3:31:38] about it's a year-long challenge. Uh, it
[3:31:40] started in January and it will end in
[3:31:42] November. So, that one is specifically
[3:31:44] for our uh adult readers because we
[3:31:46] found that the demands were a little bit
[3:31:47] different. So, we're trying it a little
[3:31:48] bit differently this year. So,
[3:31:49] >> all right. This is so fun.
[3:31:52] >> I'm excited.
[3:31:54] >> Oh, um, Council Member Mikum.
[3:31:56] >> U, this is just fantastic. I I I um I'm
[3:31:59] thrilled with library programming. Um,
[3:32:02] for those of you who who don't know, um,
[3:32:05] the way that our library thinks a little
[3:32:06] bit about its mission, uh, it really has
[3:32:10] transitioned from a place where we
[3:32:12] collect and store books for you to check
[3:32:14] out and, um, now is much more of an
[3:32:17] experience library and and a place where
[3:32:21] people come to engage with their
[3:32:23] community and to have experiences and to be inspired uh, not only by books
[3:32:28] but by other members of the community.
[3:32:29] and these activities just go so far in
[3:32:32] terms of helping that along. So I just
[3:32:34] think this is a fantastic asset that we
[3:32:36] have as a community and and Meg really
[3:32:38] appreciate your leadership on this.
[3:32:39] >> Thank you. Thanks so much.
[3:32:43] >> All right. Thank you. This is exciting.
[3:32:44] I can hardly wait to tell my
[3:32:45] granddaughter about it.
[3:32:47] >> Thank you.
[3:32:48] >> And so thank you.
[3:32:54] » All right. The next item on our agenda
[3:32:56] are um presentation Miss Orm
[3:32:59] introductions. And so presenters Donna
[3:33:01] Mard and Joanne Jeffs with the Miss Orum
[3:33:05] uh program. And looks like you brought
[3:33:08] some people with you. Welcome.
[3:33:14] It wasn't too long ago we were at this
[3:33:16] very podium practicing our interviews
[3:33:19] and now we have a brand new royalty for
[3:33:20] both our teen and our miss programs. Um,
[3:33:23] we will let them introduce themselves as
[3:33:24] well as their community service
[3:33:26] initiatives. But my name is Donna
[3:33:27] Millard. I am the Misorum director and
[3:33:30] um, thrilled to be here with you again
[3:33:32] and thrilled to be here with this new
[3:33:33] group of young women. We are blown away
[3:33:35] every year at the caliber of young women
[3:33:37] that come through our program. And we we think we're going to make them
[3:33:41] better, but they make us better. So, um,
[3:33:44] without further ado, maybe Joanne can
[3:33:45] introduce herself.
[3:33:46] >> Certainly. I'm Joanne Jeffs. I am the
[3:33:49] events coordinator for the Miss Orm
[3:33:51] program. And so if you're at a ribbon
[3:33:53] cutting or a city event, you'll probably
[3:33:55] see me there. We love our city officials
[3:33:58] and we love interacting with you
[3:33:59] regularly. It is such a treat for our
[3:34:02] girls to have a relationship with the
[3:34:04] people that run the city and we are so
[3:34:06] grateful for that. Thank you.
[3:34:10] So, we'll turn the time over to the
[3:34:11] girls, but again, we we say this all the
[3:34:12] time, but we are very grateful and
[3:34:14] appreciate your support as a city
[3:34:15] council and um of our program. So, thank
[3:34:18] you.
[3:34:20] >> Hello everyone. You all know me already,
[3:34:22] but hello. My name is Melly. I'm the new
[3:34:25] Miss Sorum for 2026. My community
[3:34:29] service initiative is Melly for MLE,
[3:34:32] multilingual education. So, I'm an
[3:34:34] advocate for especially dual language
[3:34:36] immersion programs here in Utah, but
[3:34:38] just bilingualism in general. I'm a big
[3:34:41] advocate for. Um, and my for one of my
[3:34:45] attendants
[3:34:46] and she's going to introduce herself.
[3:34:48] This is Brooke.
[3:34:51] Hello, my name is Brooke and my CSI is
[3:34:53] called Dreamers into believers. It's
[3:34:55] encouraging fifth grade students to
[3:34:56] build leadership skills as they plan to
[3:34:59] create their dreams to help them come
[3:35:00] true in the future.
[3:35:03] And then this is our Miss Orum's teen
[3:35:06] and she's going to go ahead and
[3:35:07] introduce her teens.
[3:35:10] >> Hi, I'm Andy Oldm. I'm 17. My community
[3:35:13] service initiative is stronger than the
[3:35:14] storm. It focuses on mental health
[3:35:18] awareness for teens mostly. Um, my
[3:35:20] attendants are Harley, Elsie, and oh my
[3:35:25] gosh,
[3:35:26] >> Sienna,
[3:35:27] >> I swear I know. But, um, yeah. Anyways,
[3:35:29] I'm excited to serve Orum this year.
[3:35:35] Um, I'm Harley Wild and I'm the first
[3:35:37] attendant for the Miss Orum Teen
[3:35:39] Royalty. And my CSI is keep it green by
[3:35:43] staying clean, which is all about
[3:35:44] keeping our community clean and thriving
[3:35:47] and picking up trash and planting like
[3:35:50] plants and trees and flowers and just
[3:35:52] making ORM look beautiful.
[3:35:57] I'm Sienna Buy. I'm the second attendant
[3:35:59] and my community service initiative is
[3:36:01] called Notes of Hope, amplifying change
[3:36:03] through music and it's all about
[3:36:05] connecting musicians with nonprofit
[3:36:07] organizations or other organizations
[3:36:09] that are already instated and helping
[3:36:11] bring more heart awareness and support
[3:36:13] to community events through music.
[3:36:17] Hello, my name is Elsie Thomas and I'm
[3:36:20] the third attendant and my CSI is called
[3:36:22] the Joy Project and it's all about
[3:36:24] finding healthy, effective coping
[3:36:26] mechanisms for people of all ages.
[3:36:30] >> Thank you and congratulations. We look
[3:36:32] forward to working and serving with you
[3:36:33] this year. So, thank you.
[3:36:35] >> Thank you.
[3:36:50] Right. Front row. Slide this way just a
[3:36:53] little. There we go. All right. On
[3:36:54] three. One, two, three.
[3:36:57] Thank you so much. I'm going to take one
[3:36:58] with the camera, too. Just a second.
[3:37:02] Okay, we're good.
[3:37:09] » Thank you very much. Should I say
[3:37:10] something, Mayor?
[3:37:11] >> Sure.
[3:37:12] >> We are grateful for these young women
[3:37:14] and the great work they do to serve our
[3:37:16] community, but I I just want to give a
[3:37:18] shout out to Donna and
[3:37:23] Joanne.
[3:37:24] um
[3:37:26] they are behind the scenes and do so
[3:37:30] much good
[3:37:32] not only through this process of the
[3:37:34] pageantss but I've heard from multiple
[3:37:36] parents in the last month of how
[3:37:40] they uh are there to
[3:37:43] support these young women in some really
[3:37:47] powerful and empowering ways. and we
[3:37:51] just want you to know how much we
[3:37:52] appreciate you and the work that you do
[3:37:53] and your whole team uh for strengthening
[3:37:55] our community and working with these
[3:37:57] amazing young women. So, thank you.
[3:38:00] >> Thank you.
[3:38:03] >> All right. Our next item is a
[3:38:04] presentation by Cameron Wilson, a
[3:38:06] behavioral health specialist, and it's
[3:38:08] our police autism picnic. So, welcome
[3:38:11] Cameron.
[3:38:33] I'm so happy to be with you today. Um, I
[3:38:35] should come to city council more often
[3:38:36] because I was sitting back there like,
[3:38:38] "Wow, there's so many cool things going
[3:38:39] on that I don't hear about in my little
[3:38:41] bubble over there." Um, but like like uh
[3:38:44] the introduction said that the mayor
[3:38:45] gave, my name is Cameron. I'm the
[3:38:47] behavioral health specialist that runs
[3:38:48] the mental health unit over at the
[3:38:50] police department. Um, and I was asked
[3:38:52] to give a little recap on my favorite
[3:38:54] event of the year that I could talk
[3:38:55] about for a very long time. I'll keep it
[3:38:57] brief today, I promise. But, um, this is
[3:39:00] our fifth annual picnic with police.
[3:39:03] Happened about a month ago. Um, just a
[3:39:05] little bit of background. The purpose of
[3:39:07] this event is to celebrate and enhance
[3:39:09] relationships between uniformed law
[3:39:11] enforcement and our citizens with
[3:39:12] special needs. When I first started at
[3:39:14] the police department about 6 years ago,
[3:39:17] um, our now deputy chief was my
[3:39:19] lieutenant and he sat me down and he
[3:39:21] said, "I want you to do a ride along
[3:39:22] with every shift." I was like, "Really?
[3:39:24] Every shift? That's kind of a lot."
[3:39:25] Highly recommend, by the way, if you
[3:39:27] guys haven't been on a ride along.
[3:39:28] Sorry, Chief. I'm just throwing that out
[3:39:30] there. I'm sure it's fine. Um,
[3:39:34] Maybe he'll take it himself, get back
[3:39:35] out on the road. Could be fun. Um,
[3:39:38] anyway, I went on a ride along and I was
[3:39:41] brand spanking new, like two weeks on
[3:39:42] the job. I was with one of our officers.
[3:39:45] He's a he's a big old Polynesian one.
[3:39:47] Cutest little smile on his face all the
[3:39:48] time. Nicest guy, but he's big and
[3:39:50] physically intimidating. And he did a
[3:39:53] traffic stop on a minivan and the mom
[3:39:56] had no license plate on the back of the
[3:39:57] minivan. He pulls her over. Mom's like,
[3:39:59] "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry." She's very
[3:40:01] stressed and she's like, "I just didn't
[3:40:03] have the right screwdriver. I have the
[3:40:04] license plate here. I just don't have
[3:40:05] the right screwdriver." And he goes,
[3:40:06] "Oh, well, I'll just put it on for you."
[3:40:08] So, I'm in the front seat of his patrol
[3:40:10] car and I'm watching him on the side of
[3:40:12] the road put this license plate on. And
[3:40:14] after a second, you can hear some hear
[3:40:17] some things and see some things
[3:40:18] happening in the minivan. And I was
[3:40:19] like, uh, a little concerning. And he
[3:40:22] kind of looks back at me and I look at
[3:40:24] him and I'm like, hey, there's some
[3:40:26] stuff going on in there. He walks over
[3:40:28] to the driver's side and the mom says,
[3:40:29] "I'm so sorry. I have a son who's got
[3:40:31] autism and he is terrified of police
[3:40:34] officers."
[3:40:36] And he was a young kid and the officer,
[3:40:38] he runs back to his car and he's trying
[3:40:39] to find some stickers and they all stay
[3:40:41] pretty stocked with like stickers and
[3:40:42] snacks and treats and things like that
[3:40:44] for situations like this. And he's
[3:40:46] trying to get the kid to calm down and
[3:40:48] create some sort of rapport. The mom
[3:40:50] eventually just looks at him and is
[3:40:51] like, "Can you just can you just let us
[3:40:53] go?" He's like, "Yeah, totally fine.
[3:40:55] Have a good day."
[3:40:56] Well, I got back and my lieutenant asked
[3:40:59] me, "How was your ride along?" And I
[3:41:00] said, "This is bugging me. This is
[3:41:03] bothering me." So, I kind of vented a
[3:41:04] little bit and he goes, "Well, what are
[3:41:05] you going to do about it?" I was like,
[3:41:07] "Uh, I don't know. Been on the job for
[3:41:09] two weeks." And he said, "Well, that's
[3:41:11] why we hired you." So, I brainstormed
[3:41:13] with my team with great support from our
[3:41:15] administration. We came up with the
[3:41:17] picnic with police. So, this is our
[3:41:19] fifth year. Our first year, we were
[3:41:20] expecting about 200 people. We had about
[3:41:22] 500. Well, this year, um, we had over
[3:41:25] 1,500 in attendance. Um, we hit our
[3:41:28] target demographic very well. You can
[3:41:30] look around and see that it draws in the
[3:41:33] right people because it is an event
[3:41:34] that's needed. Um, we had so many
[3:41:38] booths. Uh, we had over 70 police
[3:41:40] department employees there. We ran 15
[3:41:42] different police booths. Connect For the
[3:41:45] Grill, face painting, kickball,
[3:41:47] volleyball, Legos, you name it, they're
[3:41:49] doing it. Um, that's a good chunk of our
[3:41:51] force, by the way. Um, and we ran 15
[3:41:55] different police booths and then we had
[3:41:56] 22 local organizations, resource booths
[3:41:59] come in and do activities and and give
[3:42:02] families the tools that they needed
[3:42:03] hopefully to prevent a crisis situation
[3:42:05] in in the in the first place, right? Get
[3:42:08] them better connected. Um, it's
[3:42:10] something that we can do in a reactive
[3:42:12] department to be a little bit more
[3:42:14] proactive. So, um, I know in years past
[3:42:17] we've had some council members present.
[3:42:19] Bad timing this year, probably my bad.
[3:42:21] you guys were at a at a nice little
[3:42:22] retreat and that's okay. We'll catch you
[3:42:24] next year. Um, but it's it's genuinely
[3:42:27] one of my favorite events. So, the
[3:42:29] feedback was really great from attendees
[3:42:30] and the resource booths and our
[3:42:32] officers. They actually, not to brag or
[3:42:34] anything, but they fought about who had
[3:42:35] to work the road this year so that they
[3:42:37] could come to the picnic. So, some of
[3:42:39] them duked it out and decided who
[3:42:40] covered what. But, um, it's becoming
[3:42:43] just a it's a really good event that we
[3:42:45] all look forward to at the department.
[3:42:47] Um, I hear about it all year long. Oh my
[3:42:49] gosh, you're the you're the police
[3:42:51] department that does the picnic. We love
[3:42:52] that. Um, and just the interactions are
[3:42:55] fun and genuine and it's the best
[3:42:57] training I could ever give for our
[3:42:59] officers and the best interaction that I
[3:43:01] could give to the public to just kind of
[3:43:03] ease some of that tension and make sure
[3:43:05] that we have good relationships with the
[3:43:06] vulnerable population. So, um, another
[3:43:09] thing to note, this event doesn't cost
[3:43:12] any taxpayer dollars. Um, it's entirely
[3:43:14] run from donations and sponsorships. the
[3:43:17] Autism Council and Macy's were our two
[3:43:19] sponsors this year. And so big shout out
[3:43:21] to them and to our parks department
[3:43:23] because I would die if the parks
[3:43:26] department didn't help me. So we're very grateful. Any questions?
[3:43:31] >> Sounds like a wonderful event. I'm sorry
[3:43:32] we missed it.
[3:43:33] >> That's okay
[3:43:34] >> on that.
[3:43:34] >> We'll we'll be here next year.
[3:43:36] >> So will I speak.
[3:43:39] >> Anybody else?
[3:43:41] say, "I'm really sad when I found out
[3:43:43] that we were at our um League of Cities
[3:43:45] and Towns convention. I was really sad.
[3:43:48] You guys do such a great job. I have
[3:43:50] several friends who take their children
[3:43:52] and it's a gamecher. It truly is that
[3:43:55] relationship building that takes place
[3:43:57] there. It looks like just a big party,
[3:43:59] but it truly truly you're fulfilling the
[3:44:02] purpose. So, thank you for that
[3:44:04] inspiration."
[3:44:05] >> Thank you. Thank you, Chief. Anything I
[3:44:06] missed?
[3:44:10] Thank you so much for your time.
[3:44:12] >> All right. Thank you.
[3:44:20] All right. Next item on our agenda are
[3:44:23] personal appearances. So time's been set
[3:44:25] aside for the public to express their
[3:44:27] ideas, concerns, and comments on items
[3:44:29] not scheduled as public hearings on the
[3:44:31] agenda. Those wishing to speak are
[3:44:33] encouraged to show respect for those who
[3:44:35] serve the city. comments should focus on
[3:44:38] issues concerning the city. Those
[3:44:41] wishing to speak have already signed up
[3:44:43] had the opportunity to sign up before
[3:44:45] the meeting and I will I'll stick with
[3:44:47] that list. There over a dozen of you and
[3:44:51] this last part, please limit your
[3:44:53] comments to three minutes or less. I
[3:44:56] just want to give you a heads up. I
[3:44:58] learned right before the meeting that we
[3:44:59] have a new timing system here at for the
[3:45:04] personal appearances. Uh, we've had some issues with people going over three
[3:45:09] minutes and so I don't know if Do you
[3:45:12] want to do a test run, Pete, to show
[3:45:15] what's going to happen?
[3:45:18] So, it goes well, I guess. Do we have to
[3:45:20] wait through the whole three minutes?
[3:45:24] Okay. So, when it gets down to what
[3:45:26] what's going to happen if
[3:45:30] Okay. Yeah. as it as it counts down,
[3:45:32] it'll give you a warning and then it'll
[3:45:34] do some chimes, but uh just respect the
[3:45:37] time is basically what we're asking.
[3:45:39] >> Okay. So, yes, it has that. So, we ask
[3:45:44] that you you do limit your comments to
[3:45:46] three minutes. I do notice that a number
[3:45:48] of you have have spoken with us before
[3:45:51] about the same topic. So, I would
[3:45:54] encourage you that you are just that if
[3:45:56] you don't need to take the 3 minutes,
[3:45:57] we're not going to make you take three
[3:45:58] minutes that you can take as up to 3
[3:46:01] minutes. And like I said, we have over a
[3:46:03] dozen who've signed up all to talk about
[3:46:06] short-term rentals. So, we'll go ahead
[3:46:09] and get started with Amy Harks. Is it
[3:46:12] Amy? Is that right? Okay. Yep.
[3:46:16] Welcome
[3:46:24] I feel like the guinea pig with the new
[3:46:26] timing system.
[3:46:29] Um, thank you for the opportunity to
[3:46:31] share my thoughts on short-term rentals.
[3:46:33] I didn't realize it was all going to be
[3:46:34] short-term rentals tonight. I'm
[3:46:36] definitely under three minutes. My name
[3:46:38] is Amy Horex and I am a resident of
[3:46:40] Oram. I'm very grateful for the work
[3:46:42] that you all do as council members and
[3:46:45] for the people that come to the city
[3:46:46] council meetings. I do come as often as
[3:46:48] I can and I enjoy hearing what's
[3:46:50] happening in the city. Uh clearly from
[3:46:52] my accent I'm not originally from Oram
[3:46:55] but my husband grew up here and we've
[3:46:56] been here for over 9 years now. Um and I
[3:47:00] love living in the city of Oram. Our
[3:47:02] youngest daughter just graduated from
[3:47:04] Mountain View last week. Uh so it's been
[3:47:06] a privilege to feel exhausted from all
[3:47:08] the events that we've done to get her to
[3:47:10] that point. Um, but tonight I am here as
[3:47:14] a resident to express my concern for the
[3:47:16] issue at hand, which is short-term
[3:47:17] rentals and their continuation in Oram.
[3:47:21] Um, I'm concerned as the decision seems
[3:47:23] to be coming black and white, and I'm
[3:47:25] unclear as to why there is no middle
[3:47:27] ground for short-term rentals. Um, I
[3:47:30] have good friends in the room here
[3:47:32] tonight whose primary source of income
[3:47:34] is through short-term rentals. Um,
[3:47:36] they've created these short-term rentals
[3:47:38] legally and follow everything that is
[3:47:40] required of them. And I'm sure if you
[3:47:42] were to ask any of their surrounding
[3:47:44] neighbors or friends of these people,
[3:47:46] they would have no complaints amongst
[3:47:48] them. I'm sorry to hear about the
[3:47:50] terrible experiences that have been
[3:47:52] expressed by some of the residents of
[3:47:54] Oram with short-term rentals that are
[3:47:56] near them. And I've heard the stories
[3:47:57] and they do sound pretty horrific. Um,
[3:48:00] but that said, I can't help but wonder
[3:48:02] if in there isn't a short uh a middle
[3:48:05] ground that does not completely remove
[3:48:07] short-term rentals, but rather makes it
[3:48:10] harder for those who are not adhering to
[3:48:12] the short-term rental laws continue
[3:48:14] providing this service. I agree that
[3:48:17] these those creating significant
[3:48:19] neighborhood disturbance and disruption
[3:48:20] should be penalized heavily. But
[3:48:22] punishing every short-term rental owner
[3:48:25] for the bad behavior of some does not
[3:48:27] all in honesty seem fair. The friends I
[3:48:30] have who own short-term rentals are the
[3:48:32] kind of people I believe we all want as
[3:48:34] our neighbors in Oram. I would prefer we
[3:48:37] found solutions to protect them and
[3:48:40] remove the exploitation of the few who
[3:48:42] have found ways to do so. Thank you so
[3:48:45] much for your time.
[3:48:46] >> Thank you. And I and I apologize that I
[3:48:50] didn't mention this earlier as I saw
[3:48:52] what the topic is for everybody. I want
[3:48:53] to give you a quick update on where we
[3:48:54] are on short-term rentals. We just spent
[3:48:57] an hour over an hour in our our work
[3:48:59] meeting continuing to review short-term
[3:49:02] rentals and and some of the the issues
[3:49:05] with that. We appreciate legal staff uh
[3:49:07] particularly Jake Summers for for
[3:49:09] helping with that. Just to let you know
[3:49:11] where we are right now is this city
[3:49:13] council has directed uh our attorney's
[3:49:16] office to draft two different
[3:49:18] ordinances. One ordinance would allow
[3:49:21] owner occupied
[3:49:24] uh short-term rental units.
[3:49:27] Other the other ordinance would allow
[3:49:30] uh non-owner occupied be two-tiered
[3:49:32] system where there would be owner
[3:49:33] occupied and then non-owner occupied
[3:49:35] with a number uh in allowed in the city
[3:49:38] to be determined. That's something that
[3:49:39] we still need to hammer out. So right
[3:49:42] now that's where we stand on looking at
[3:49:45] those two ordinances right now. Uh right
[3:49:48] now we've got June 23rd as our next work
[3:49:50] session where those two proposed
[3:49:52] ordinances will come back to the city
[3:49:54] council for discussion and we I thought
[3:49:57] we had a productive meeting today
[3:49:59] council as far as as that's concerned.
[3:50:02] But that's that's the update right now
[3:50:03] that right now it appears that there
[3:50:06] isn't going to be an allout ban that
[3:50:08] because the two ordinances that the
[3:50:09] council has directed uh include
[3:50:12] short-term rentals in the community.
[3:50:14] It's whether or not it's just owner
[3:50:16] occupied or are we going to allow
[3:50:19] non-owner occupied as well. That's that
[3:50:21] that's where we are right now. Again,
[3:50:24] there's no final decision. That's not a
[3:50:26] final decision. We've got a long ways to
[3:50:27] go still before that final decision, but
[3:50:29] that's that's where we are in our point
[3:50:32] of discussion.
[3:50:35] >> Sure.
[3:50:36] >> Yeah. So, just to your point, um, and
[3:50:38] that is a compromise. We are doing
[3:50:41] compromises. We have heard strongly from
[3:50:43] our residents that they want an all-out
[3:50:45] ban. So just so people understand there
[3:50:49] are compromises that are happening and
[3:50:52] just because it's not going to show up
[3:50:54] on an agenda in a future meeting doesn't
[3:50:56] mean that compromise wasn't made.
[3:50:59] >> Do you I thank you. I appreciate that. I
[3:51:01] appreciate that clarification. I I
[3:51:03] neglect that we there were a couple of
[3:51:05] council members who felt an a ban on all
[3:51:08] were was appropriate. And so yes, what we're what you're seeing and will
[3:51:12] be the ordinances that are coming
[3:51:14] forward on for our further discussion on
[3:51:16] June 23rd are compromises as as we've
[3:51:19] gone forward. So thank you. Thank you
[3:51:21] for that clarification. Appreciate it.
[3:51:24] Next is is it Nico Romney?
[3:51:32] Hello. Um, my name is Nico Romney and I
[3:51:37] work with uh short-term and long-term
[3:51:40] investors all over the state of Utah. We
[3:51:43] have long-term properties in ORUM as
[3:51:46] well as as uh short-term properties. Um,
[3:51:51] tonight I just kind of want to focus on
[3:51:52] the economic impact of these properties
[3:51:55] and also the economic benefit or just
[3:51:58] the overall benefit to the community of
[3:52:01] ORM. Um, the majority of short-term
[3:52:04] rental owners I work with are not large
[3:52:08] uh corporations. They are local
[3:52:10] residents, families, and small
[3:52:12] investors. These are people who love
[3:52:15] ORUM and believe in this community. They
[3:52:18] want to share it with investors or with
[3:52:21] visitors. Many are using these
[3:52:24] properties to help offset rising costs,
[3:52:27] create financial stability, and build
[3:52:30] long-term security for their families
[3:52:32] and retirement. Um, short-term rentals
[3:52:35] create consistent work for local
[3:52:37] cleaners, landscapers, handymen,
[3:52:42] uh, plumbers, electricians, contractors,
[3:52:46] photographers, and small businesses. Um,
[3:52:49] these properties also bring visitors
[3:52:52] into ORM who directly support local
[3:52:54] businesses. Um, as a host, we actively
[3:52:58] encourage guests to support local
[3:53:00] businesses. We recommend Oram
[3:53:02] restaurants
[3:53:04] um including Taco Amigo and Maria Bonita
[3:53:10] and so many more um to encourage our
[3:53:12] guests to um experience something new
[3:53:17] and experience something that's unique
[3:53:19] to Oram. Um
[3:53:22] also with most of in many cases these
[3:53:26] guests already have strong ties to ORM.
[3:53:29] Um a large portion are visiting family,
[3:53:33] friends,
[3:53:35] students or local universities. Um
[3:53:38] others are former residents returning to
[3:53:41] visit loved ones, attend graduations,
[3:53:44] weddings, sporting events or community
[3:53:47] gatherings. Um
[3:53:50] so
[3:53:52] uh we we just ask for fair regulation.
[3:53:55] We we do try to do everything we can to
[3:53:59] be good neighbors, to take care of our
[3:54:01] properties, to bring the quality of our
[3:54:03] neighborhoods up, and to be very
[3:54:05] respectful. We send messages to renters.
[3:54:09] There is a huge benefit to these
[3:54:11] short-term rentals where people come in
[3:54:14] oftent times, fall in love with the
[3:54:16] city, and do bring their families and
[3:54:19] move in. We've had pe we've had people
[3:54:21] come in, love it, come back, come back
[3:54:25] and return and return again, and we've
[3:54:27] actually had several who then came and
[3:54:29] bought homes in in Oram. So, we really
[3:54:32] do appreciate that you guys are
[3:54:34] listening, that you are making
[3:54:35] compromises, and you are working with
[3:54:37] us. Thank you.
[3:54:39] >> Thank you.
[3:54:40] Next up is um Morgan Romney. Then after
[3:54:43] Morgan will be Chris Hammond.
[3:54:51] Hi. Um, my name is Aubrey Spicer. I'm
[3:54:54] taking his wife's spot because I was
[3:54:56] late to sign my name down. Um, and I
[3:54:58] live next to a sober living home, a
[3:55:01] short-term rental property, and many
[3:55:03] long-term renters in my neighborhood. We
[3:55:06] were asked by some of our friends to
[3:55:07] come and share our experience with
[3:55:09] short-term rentals, sober living, and
[3:55:11] long-term rentals in our neighborhood. I
[3:55:14] understand the importance of occupancy
[3:55:16] limits and protecting neighborhoods, but
[3:55:18] I do not believe a blanket cap of eight
[3:55:21] people, which I think is what you guys
[3:55:22] were looking at for every short-term
[3:55:24] rental is the solution to your guys's
[3:55:26] problem. Um, in our area, the short-term
[3:55:29] rental guests are families visitings for
[3:55:32] weddings, funerals, graduations, and
[3:55:34] events at BYU and UVU. Um, a family of
[3:55:37] 12 traveling together may only bring
[3:55:39] three or four vehicles and create very
[3:55:41] little neighborhood impact and the home
[3:55:42] is kept in beautiful standing. In
[3:55:45] contrast, neighborhood impacts are
[3:55:48] usually um caused by things like
[3:55:50] excessive parking, noise, trash, and
[3:55:52] poorly poor property management, not
[3:55:54] simply the number of people inside a
[3:55:57] home. Um, from my own experience, the
[3:56:00] short-term rental near me has had no
[3:56:01] issues because it has clear parking
[3:56:03] limits, rules, and active management.
[3:56:07] That has mattered far more than the
[3:56:09] occupancy alone. When our friend asked
[3:56:12] if we would come address our honest
[3:56:14] concerns with the different types of
[3:56:15] properties in our neighborhood, the
[3:56:16] short-term rentals, sober living,
[3:56:18] long-term rentals, and owner occupied
[3:56:20] homes, we have seen and have had far
[3:56:22] more issues with the sober living
[3:56:24] long-term rentals um than we have ever
[3:56:26] had with any of the short-term rentals.
[3:56:29] Um, if the city's concern is truly
[3:56:31] neighborhood impact, then regulations um
[3:56:35] should focus consistently on measurable
[3:56:36] issues like the parking overflow,
[3:56:38] nuisance, behavior, property upkeep, and
[3:56:40] code enforcement across all housing
[3:56:42] types. Um, long-term rentals and owner
[3:56:45] occupied homes can also create
[3:56:47] significant neighborhood issues when
[3:56:48] properties are neglected, vehicles
[3:56:50] overflow onto the street, um, or
[3:56:52] ordinances are not enforced. The focus
[3:56:54] should be on the actual impact to
[3:56:56] neighbors, not arbitrary uh occupancy
[3:56:58] number alone. I would encourage the
[3:57:01] council to focus on measurable
[3:57:02] neighborhood impact such as parking. Oh,
[3:57:04] did I just read that? Oh, sorry. Okay. I
[3:57:06] know Hebrew City has just implemented an
[3:57:08] occupancy rule of 16 guests capped, but
[3:57:11] the parking only allows for whatever can
[3:57:13] fit in the driveway, which seems like a
[3:57:15] great way to respect neighbors and also
[3:57:17] encourage the right people to book. Um,
[3:57:20] I love ORM. I've lived here now for 9
[3:57:22] years and I'm from Idaho originally from
[3:57:24] a little farm town. So, it's been so fun
[3:57:27] to live in the big city for me. Um, and
[3:57:31] that's just what I've experienced so far
[3:57:32] is just the the differences between
[3:57:34] short-term rentals, the sober living,
[3:57:37] and then the long-term rentals. They
[3:57:38] just seem to be a little bit more
[3:57:40] problematic. And I wish there was more
[3:57:41] emphasis on them than the short-term
[3:57:43] rentals. And um I believe we can protect
[3:57:46] neighborhoods while still allowing
[3:57:47] responsible property owners to operate
[3:57:49] in a way that benefits visiting families
[3:57:51] and our local uh economy. Thank you.
[3:57:54] >> Thank you.
[3:57:56] Right. Next. What? Um Spicer, Aubrey
[3:58:01] Spicer, right? Okay, great. All right.
[3:58:03] Next we have Chris Hammond. And then
[3:58:05] after Miss Hammond we have John Brooks.
[3:58:09] Welcome.
[3:58:10] >> Hi again. So nice to see you all.
[3:58:13] Um, I am here one more time just to
[3:58:18] express as once again my positive for
[3:58:21] short-term rentals. I spent a good part
[3:58:24] of my adult life looking at and studying
[3:58:26] correlations, evaluation policy, finding
[3:58:29] reasonable solutions for complex
[3:58:31] problems. I respectfully ask that ORM
[3:58:34] city council to rely on statistics,
[3:58:36] data, and thoughtful planning and
[3:58:38] creating policy that makes sense for
[3:58:39] long-term solves a problem and does not
[3:58:42] require a consider reconsideration.
[3:58:45] Even last week, Salt Lake City is having
[3:58:48] to reconsider. We have the Olympics
[3:58:50] coming to Salt Lake and they're not
[3:58:52] going to have adequate places for people
[3:58:54] to stay because they got rid of
[3:58:56] short-term rentals. And so, they're
[3:58:57] having to relook at it. Boulder City is
[3:58:59] another one where Sundance is going and
[3:59:01] they're going to have to reconsider
[3:59:02] there because of their restrictions that
[3:59:04] they've made. I am hoping that we can
[3:59:07] look forward thinking versus backward.
[3:59:10] It's always nice to say back then was so
[3:59:12] much better, but we have got to look
[3:59:15] forward. BYU is adding a medical school.
[3:59:18] The U of is increasing and doubling
[3:59:20] their nursing program. They're also
[3:59:22] adding another business program. The
[3:59:25] Osman's announced their new venue, which
[3:59:27] I know is controversial, but we should
[3:59:30] be prepared for what's going to happen.
[3:59:33] We continue to hear claims that
[3:59:34] short-term rentals impact housing, but
[3:59:37] that is not true. There's no statistics
[3:59:39] that they enter that they make a change
[3:59:41] in that. And currently, there are 263
[3:59:44] homes in Orum for sale and over between
[3:59:48] 16600 rentals that are available. And so
[3:59:51] short-term rentals are not making an
[3:59:53] impact on that. We have repeatedly heard
[3:59:56] concerns about the sober living
[3:59:57] organization and how that impacts, but
[4:00:00] they are governed by an entirely
[4:00:02] different federal government guidelines
[4:00:04] and we need to look at that and I have a
[4:00:06] professional paper that I'll hand out to
[4:00:08] you tonight. Additionally, for
[4:00:10] individuals with special needs, those
[4:00:13] kinds of homes are governed by the
[4:00:15] federal government and individuals need
[4:00:17] their own space. And so I hope that
[4:00:20] you'll consider a bedroom count versus
[4:00:24] something that's eight. Um,
[4:00:27] uh, historically,
[4:00:29] if we dictate how many, uh, days that
[4:00:33] something can be open and a short-term
[4:00:34] rental is only available on average
[4:00:37] about 50% of the time. The street in
[4:00:40] front of my home is a public street, and
[4:00:42] I would hope that I have use of
[4:00:44] something that I pay taxes on. Let us be
[4:00:47] forward thinking. Let us plan for the
[4:00:49] future growth of ORM. Let us consider
[4:00:51] the revenue that is brought in. I
[4:00:53] personally employ a crew of 10 people
[4:00:56] that are dependent upon what I do and
[4:00:58] how I manage. I respectfully ask the
[4:01:01] council to create a fair, balanced, and
[4:01:02] datadriven policy that preserves
[4:01:05] neighborhoods without having um the way
[4:01:08] we support public businesses. Thank you
[4:01:11] very much for your time.
[4:01:12] >> Thank you. And if you just like to drop,
[4:01:14] leave that with Melissa here. um she'll
[4:01:17] make sure that we get those. All right,
[4:01:20] John Brooks. And then after Mr. Brooks,
[4:01:23] um Jerry Duckworth. So, welcome.
[4:01:25] >> Yeah, thank you for your service. I am a
[4:01:27] neighbor of a uh rental property and one
[4:01:31] of the largest in the city of Oram. And
[4:01:34] I'm just here just to say that I I don't
[4:01:36] ever see any issues. I never see any
[4:01:37] noise or anything like that. It's a
[4:01:39] great place to to have family city USA
[4:01:43] come back and have a large enough place
[4:01:45] for families to actually visit and be a
[4:01:47] part of. And I don't see any issues with
[4:01:50] it. And I'm just here to say that I also
[4:01:52] see that on the same street I do see
[4:01:54] issues with the um health hospital and
[4:01:59] also uh Cir Lodge that have a tendency
[4:02:02] to walk down the street on Palisad. that
[4:02:04] has a bigger concern for me than having
[4:02:06] zero cars in the street on a home that
[4:02:08] has a beautiful home that all it does is
[4:02:10] just bring people to ORM and and be able
[4:02:12] to see our city and so I just say that
[4:02:14] and thank you for your service.
[4:02:15] >> Great. Thank you. Thanks for coming. All
[4:02:18] right. Next we have Jerry Duckworth and
[4:02:21] after Mr. Duckworth we have um Connie
[4:02:24] Romney will be will be ready come up.
[4:02:30] » Welcome.
[4:02:31] >> Thank you.
[4:02:33] Um, it's heartening to me as an American
[4:02:36] to see you all function so well when uh
[4:02:41] the times around the world are
[4:02:45] challenging
[4:02:46] and it's a blessing from our founding
[4:02:49] fathers
[4:02:51] that you do such a good job. Anyway, I
[4:02:56] uh live in Provo, but I worked in ORM
[4:03:00] for close to 20 years for a uh mortgage
[4:03:05] company called American Lending Network.
[4:03:08] Mike Riley and uh Stephanie Berard were
[4:03:12] the owners and it was a pleasant
[4:03:15] experience,
[4:03:17] challenging,
[4:03:19] but I'm here in behalf of friends who
[4:03:21] live in Orum concerning short-term
[4:03:24] rentals
[4:03:26] and
[4:03:29] I have uh known them for years
[4:03:34] and often visited a large nearly 2acre
[4:03:38] short-term from rental property as it is
[4:03:40] an immediately next door to a friend I
[4:03:43] often visit. I have occasionally been
[4:03:46] invited over by guest along with my
[4:03:49] friend uh to meet the guests that have
[4:03:52] rented the the property for a week or
[4:03:56] two. Uh a year and a half ago I met a
[4:04:01] Jewish family of 30 to 40
[4:04:05] um people
[4:04:08] And I was so impressed with their
[4:04:11] character and how they enjoyed being
[4:04:13] here commenting on the mountains, the
[4:04:16] streams. The people are so nice.
[4:04:19] And um my friend had known BB Netanyahu
[4:04:25] and his brother who was killed in the
[4:04:30] German Olympics years ago. And so there
[4:04:34] was a a appreciation from our Jewish
[4:04:38] friends for his service
[4:04:41] uh in security
[4:04:44] uh for the games.
[4:04:46] Uh they live on site. They don't let
[4:04:48] noise become an issue. For years, the
[4:04:51] city has approved short-term rentals
[4:04:53] recognizing the value of our local
[4:04:56] economy and our neighborhoods. These
[4:04:59] homes are more than just places to stay.
[4:05:02] They are where friends and family come
[4:05:05] together, share meals, celebrate
[4:05:07] milestones, create memories that last a
[4:05:10] lifetime.
[4:05:12] Short-term rentals allow visitors to
[4:05:14] experience our city in a personal
[4:05:17] authentic way, supporting shops,
[4:05:20] restaurants, attractions. They foster
[4:05:22] cultural exchange. They help homeowners
[4:05:26] afford their homes in ORM by sharing
[4:05:29] responsibility with visitors from both
[4:05:32] near and far away. I believe we can
[4:05:36] continue to uphold safety
[4:05:39] and neighborhood standards by preserving
[4:05:42] the benefit of short-term rentals. Let's
[4:05:46] keep this tradition alive for our
[4:05:48] residents, our visitors, and the future
[4:05:52] of our economy.
[4:05:54] Um 21 seconds. Okay.
[4:05:58] If you look at the uh the world
[4:06:02] conditions, imagine if you own a uh
[4:06:07] a short-term rental and all your income
[4:06:10] comes from that.
[4:06:13] And if our economy which is really
[4:06:19] uh our deficit national deficit what
[4:06:22] would happen you know to people who who
[4:06:25] get threatened by reduction in social
[4:06:28] security or their income's gone you know
[4:06:31] we have to take that into account and
[4:06:33] particularly if they followed the
[4:06:35] guidelines
[4:06:37] the city had approved prior. Please take
[4:06:40] that into account and um I uh thank you
[4:06:46] for the opportunity.
[4:06:48] >> Thank you.
[4:06:50] >> All right. Next uh we have Connie Romney
[4:06:54] and after Ms. Romney we have Gavin Gavin
[4:06:57] Neb.
[4:06:58] Welcome.
[4:06:59] >> Hi. Good. Good evening. Um I'm a coming
[4:07:03] as a different aspect of it. Um,
[4:07:08] I I'm I clean the places and I wanted to
[4:07:15] talk to you tonight because um it has
[4:07:19] made a real big difference in our life.
[4:07:22] It's a second job for me. Um it's has
[4:07:27] made a big difference for our family.
[4:07:29] It's helped us to handle the high cost
[4:07:31] of things. My husband, he retired really
[4:07:36] early and so it's helped us, our family,
[4:07:40] to get control of our finances.
[4:07:44] For me, it's um it's not about
[4:07:47] corporations or
[4:07:50] that it's about families and um being
[4:07:54] able to handle the costs of things. Um
[4:07:59] the it isn't um
[4:08:03] the places like the clean the homes
[4:08:06] um they've been
[4:08:10] I'm sorry I lost my train. We um
[4:08:14] many of the the guests are visiting
[4:08:17] families from here. they're um during
[4:08:22] their stay they're they're you know
[4:08:25] going out to the local restaurants and
[4:08:29] stuff and I understand we should have
[4:08:31] rules and stuff but we also should
[4:08:34] support these people um the like the one
[4:08:39] that I cleaned here it's beautiful the
[4:08:43] yard is beautiful everything's beautiful
[4:08:45] around it but the house next door that
[4:08:47] someone lives in It looks like it's
[4:08:50] falling down.
[4:08:52] Um
[4:08:53] for some of the
[4:08:56] um it and it for us it's stability in
[4:09:00] our home. Um and it's been quite an
[4:09:04] asset to us and I just wanted you to
[4:09:07] know from that aspect what it has done
[4:09:09] for us. It's made a big difference in
[4:09:11] our lives. um we wouldn't be we wouldn't
[4:09:15] be able to make it without the income
[4:09:18] that it's made for us. So that's just a
[4:09:20] different aspect for us.
[4:09:22] >> Appreciate your thoughts listening for
[4:09:24] us.
[4:09:25] >> Thank you.
[4:09:28] >> Okay, Gavin Nebucher. And after Mr.
[4:09:30] Nebbecker, we have Ingred Pen Penor. Did
[4:09:34] I Did I even get close? Okay, she's
[4:09:37] nodding. I'm feeling better about that.
[4:09:39] Okay, welcome.
[4:09:40] >> Well, thank you. Thank you, mayor, and
[4:09:41] thank you, city council members. Um, I
[4:09:45] mean, the the first lady that uh came
[4:09:46] and spoke, I just wanted to basically
[4:09:48] say, "Amen." That's very similar to my
[4:09:50] story here. So, but my wife and I, we
[4:09:53] moved here to Orum probably about 3
[4:09:55] years ago um with our family and we've
[4:09:59] spent a lot of time getting to know our
[4:10:00] neighbors and our community, our church
[4:10:02] community, and it's been such a
[4:10:04] blessing. We're very grateful for it. Um
[4:10:06] after getting to know our neighbors and
[4:10:09] our community, um we've learned that
[4:10:12] some of them had been operating an
[4:10:13] Airbnb and we actually had never known
[4:10:16] that um as there hadn't been any
[4:10:19] disturbances from their guests and um
[4:10:22] they had been great, you know, owner
[4:10:24] operators.
[4:10:26] They've continued to uh contribute
[4:10:28] greatly to our community. Um, and
[4:10:31] there's, you know, again, been nothing
[4:10:33] that has been done to disrupt our family
[4:10:36] and all the things that we've been
[4:10:37] looking for in owning a home and living
[4:10:39] here in ORM.
[4:10:41] Um, in fact, you know, I'm very grateful
[4:10:43] for them because as as we've had my
[4:10:46] wife's family and other family members
[4:10:48] come to visit, um, they've been able to
[4:10:50] stay close by and not have to, you know,
[4:10:53] be in a hotel. And so, we've been able
[4:10:55] to spend more time with them. Also, my
[4:10:58] wife and I, we I mean, our family, we
[4:11:00] have um a child who has some special
[4:11:03] needs, and so it's hard harder for us to
[4:11:06] be able to get out. And so, on our
[4:11:07] anniversary, we were able to uh stay at
[4:11:10] another Airbnb that was just a couple
[4:11:12] blocks away, so we were still close for
[4:11:14] any medical concerns, you know, from our
[4:11:16] babysitters or whatnot. And so, it was
[4:11:18] great for us to be able to still have
[4:11:20] that experience to go stay in another
[4:11:22] home that isn't just ours. Um, and so
[4:11:26] what I've learned, um, as I've learned
[4:11:28] more about the coming restrictions, um,
[4:11:31] from our neighbors and other hosts, I
[4:11:32] have felt bad for the great services
[4:11:34] that they've been providing, um, which
[4:11:37] benefit the community and could be
[4:11:39] jeopardized and cause some of them to
[4:11:41] potentially move. Now, I understand that
[4:11:44] there have been some, you know, bad
[4:11:46] apples. Um, but I do fear that there
[4:11:48] will be an overcompensation in the
[4:11:50] effort to correct those, which in turn
[4:11:53] will help, which in turn will hurt all
[4:11:55] the other short-term rental owners and
[4:11:58] even their neighbors and friends or
[4:12:00] people like me who've been able to
[4:12:01] benefit from those. So, again, thank you
[4:12:04] for your time.
[4:12:05] >> All right. Thank you. Appreciate your thoughts. All right.
[4:12:09] to Ingred. And then after Ingred, we
[4:12:12] have is it Ros Roachio? Rosio Lozano.
[4:12:17] >> She leaves.
[4:12:18] >> Oh,
[4:12:18] >> she had to leave.
[4:12:19] >> Oh, she had to leave. Okay. So, I'll
[4:12:20] cross her off. Okay. Welcome.
[4:12:24] >> Thank you. I do not speak very well
[4:12:27] English because my first language is
[4:12:30] Spanol, Spanish. So, she going to help
[4:12:33] me. Okay.
[4:12:34] >> Translate. Okay.
[4:12:36] >> Um
[4:12:43] She's lived in Orum since 200.
[4:12:48] >> Oh, can I interrupt? Let's give them
[4:12:50] just a little bit longer time because
[4:12:52] we've got a interpreter.
[4:12:55] >> So, we'll keep the clock running, but that let Yeah. Thank you. But still
[4:12:59] a little bit more time.
[4:13:13] She has a down syndrome son and so for
[4:13:16] her to go out and work it makes it
[4:13:17] really hard.
[4:13:30] They thought it would be thoughtful to
[4:13:32] take a place and make it beautiful so
[4:13:33] that they could give service to their
[4:13:35] community in this way.
[4:13:52] They've had people visit such as
[4:13:54] families. people come to the the MTC um
[4:13:57] to serve missions.
[4:14:06] » She's just grateful that she can have
[4:14:08] people and provide that that help to
[4:14:10] those who come to visit in the college
[4:14:11] and whatnot.
[4:14:17] » So that she can be home and take care of
[4:14:19] her child.
[4:14:20] >> Thank you so much.
[4:14:21] >> Gracias. Thank you.
[4:14:24] All right. Next up is Brendan BBE.
[4:14:31] Welcome.
[4:14:36] Thanks guys for having me. Um I do a
[4:14:39] Substack where I comment and listen to
[4:14:42] every city council meeting and I follow
[4:14:45] this discussion for probably two years
[4:14:46] now. I think you guys have been talking
[4:14:48] about it. Um, and I like to try to bring
[4:14:51] data and details to it that maybe the
[4:14:54] city council doesn't have. And I know
[4:14:56] recently, I think I emailed most of you
[4:14:57] guys, but it was talking about how many
[4:14:59] Airbnbs are in Orum. And I think there's
[4:15:01] currently 89 Airbnbs that are whole
[4:15:04] homes that you guys are trying to create
[4:15:07] rules around. It's just 89. And there's
[4:15:09] 200 total Airbnbs listed currently or in
[4:15:12] the last 12 months. A lot of numbers get
[4:15:14] thrown out there. I think there's a
[4:15:16] recent like newspaper article around
[4:15:18] like 5 to 600. Um, but in my substack, I
[4:15:21] list out the sources and how you can
[4:15:22] actually go just validate that yourself.
[4:15:24] Um, and so I'd invite you guys to do
[4:15:26] that. And what I'm also trying to do is
[4:15:29] I put in a grammar request for every
[4:15:31] neighborhood improvement complaint made
[4:15:34] since 2024 out of just my own pocket.
[4:15:36] But I plan on bringing that data to you
[4:15:38] guys in a detailed analysis of like what
[4:15:41] are we talking about? cuz what I've
[4:15:42] noticed is that it's the same six to
[4:15:44] seven homes that come up in every single
[4:15:46] city council meeting and the rules we're
[4:15:48] putting out there and the rules you guys
[4:15:50] are creating. I want to make sure that's
[4:15:51] not around the anecdotes and the
[4:15:53] feelings that we have around these six
[4:15:54] properties and it's about what's
[4:15:56] actually happening in ORM. So, thanks
[4:15:58] for having me.
[4:16:00] >> All right. Thank you. Next, we have
[4:16:02] Aaron Kirkham and then after Aaron we
[4:16:06] have Allora Harren.
[4:16:12] Hello, council. My name is Aaron. Um,
[4:16:14] I'm a resident of Sandy. Um, I'm here on
[4:16:16] behalf of two of our clients. We manage
[4:16:18] vacation homes. Our company's called
[4:16:20] Konigo Vacation Rentals. Uh, we manage
[4:16:22] homes in Idaho and in Utah. I'm a member
[4:16:25] of the Idaho Vacation Rental
[4:16:27] Association. And what I wanted to talk
[4:16:29] about tonight was in regards to the
[4:16:31] occupancy limits of 8 and potentially
[4:16:33] the 5 days specific as it relates to
[4:16:36] McCall Idaho. McCall Idaho had an
[4:16:39] occupancy limit of four people per
[4:16:41] bedroom. They changed it to two people
[4:16:44] per bedroom, were sued by five different
[4:16:46] individuals and lost to those five
[4:16:49] individuals. That also then helps
[4:16:51] stimulate House Bill 583, which recently
[4:16:54] passed in 2026, which has removed all
[4:16:57] regulation within the state of Idaho for
[4:16:59] short-term rentals. and all residential
[4:17:02] units need to be treated equally
[4:17:04] underneath the protection of the law for
[4:17:06] being a residential unit. Um that's
[4:17:08] really my biggest fear um as it relates
[4:17:10] not just to our clients but the the
[4:17:13] whole argument of eight people as well
[4:17:15] as 5 days of uh blocked out unavailable.
[4:17:19] Really it it does appear that the city
[4:17:22] wants us to host people for longer
[4:17:24] because they're trying to remove
[4:17:25] elements of short-term rentals. Thus
[4:17:28] long-term makes more sense. And so if we
[4:17:30] have a guest who stays long there, um,
[4:17:32] actually within our own portfolio, we've
[4:17:34] had a shift of about 50% of our
[4:17:36] portfolio within the summer. So that's
[4:17:38] 30 to 40 homes from Salt Lake City down
[4:17:41] to Provo shift to what is called
[4:17:44] midterm, 30 days or longer. It's
[4:17:47] traditionally contractors who are coming
[4:17:48] to the area, families, architects who
[4:17:51] are building but need places for an
[4:17:52] extended stay. putting in a five-day
[4:17:55] limit would remove that opportunity for
[4:17:57] those individuals. As well as from just
[4:18:00] a a straight standpoint of only having
[4:18:02] eight people just doesn't follow a
[4:18:05] systematic approach of how to use the
[4:18:08] home. We also have a place in Canab,
[4:18:10] Utah. We follow Kain County's rules.
[4:18:12] Today, I got my license for our
[4:18:14] short-term rental. Uh we follow their
[4:18:16] rules, which are two people per bedroom.
[4:18:19] We have three buildings on one property.
[4:18:21] And in there we have the capacity to
[4:18:23] sleep 16. We're only allowed 10. So
[4:18:26] that's what we do. Um it's still we've
[4:18:28] found ways to make it profitable. And
[4:18:30] that would be my request or my input is
[4:18:32] that I think that the city would be
[4:18:34] opening themselves up to potential
[4:18:35] liability of adding more u restrictions
[4:18:40] as it regards to people using their own
[4:18:42] homes. Whereas anybody who has a
[4:18:45] business license, they can be open 30
[4:18:47] days. Yet, for some reason, if you have
[4:18:49] a short-term rental, you can only be
[4:18:50] open for 25 or only can have eight
[4:18:53] people into your business. That's my
[4:18:55] feedback that I want to give. Thank you,
[4:18:57] council.
[4:18:57] >> Thank you. Appreciate it.
[4:19:00] All right, Laura.
[4:19:03] Okay. Okay.
[4:19:06] Welcome.
[4:19:08] Hi. Sorry, we had some confusion with
[4:19:10] the people. So, Laura is actually Aubrey
[4:19:11] who took my place, so I'm going to speak
[4:19:13] for her. I'm Morgan Romney. Um, so
[4:19:15] you've heard a lot from the Romney's
[4:19:16] tonight. So, um, I appreciate that. I
[4:19:19] know. I'm sorry. This is not how city
[4:19:20] councils go, but I'm going to come up
[4:19:22] and take my turn. So, um, I'm Nico's
[4:19:25] wife, Morgan. Um, just some quick
[4:19:27] background. I lived in, uh, ORM up until
[4:19:29] we got married, and he made me move to
[4:19:30] Salt Lake County, so I I apologize. Um,
[4:19:33] but, um, I attended UVU. I have friends
[4:19:35] and co-workers that live in Oram. Um,
[4:19:38] and the one thing that everyone can
[4:19:39] agree on is that it is an amazing city.
[4:19:41] My favorite festival is the, um, the
[4:19:43] Ormfest they were just talking about
[4:19:45] tonight. Um, also the ORM library is
[4:19:47] amazing. I've worked in tourism industry
[4:19:50] for almost my whole career. Um, and my
[4:19:52] husband prides himself on helping locals
[4:19:54] with homes that would otherwise they
[4:19:56] would otherwise lose because of various
[4:19:57] situations. His first home he bought was
[4:20:00] actually in Orum which was the jumping
[4:20:02] point to what we now live in. I think
[4:20:05] that it's important to have places for
[4:20:06] business people, families of citizens
[4:20:08] and tourism tourists to come stay for
[4:20:11] extended period and fall in love with
[4:20:13] what I think we um all love about ORM.
[4:20:16] Uh Nico has been able to hire local
[4:20:18] cleaners, lawnmowers, plumbers, and
[4:20:20] repairmen. I hear a lot about it um all
[4:20:23] the time, right? Um we're also uh a
[4:20:26] small business just trying to survive.
[4:20:28] um if we say an absolute no, which I
[4:20:30] know we're not, but um just the thought
[4:20:33] behind the different rules um to these
[4:20:36] short terms, many people may lose income
[4:20:40] um in a very turbulent time in our
[4:20:41] econom economic history. Thank you for
[4:20:44] your time and considerations. Again, I'm
[4:20:46] sorry for the the back and forth with
[4:20:47] the presentations, but thank you.
[4:20:49] >> All right. Thank you. And Nico, has she
[4:20:52] forgiven you for having her leave or
[4:20:56] Okay.
[4:20:58] All right. Thank you. All right, council
[4:21:01] and members of the of the audience, that
[4:21:04] concludes our personal appearances.
[4:21:07] Thank you for coming and being part of
[4:21:09] the process here in our city. We really
[4:21:10] appreciate hearing from you. Our next
[4:21:13] item on our agenda is um our one consent
[4:21:16] item. We have needed to update our city
[4:21:18] council 2026 schedule and so I would
[4:21:22] look for a motion to approve that
[4:21:24] consent item.
[4:21:27] So moved.
[4:21:27] >> Thank you. Um, council member Kilpac, do
[4:21:29] you have a second?
[4:21:30] >> I'll second.
[4:21:31] >> All right. Thank you, Miss U. Council
[4:21:33] Member Mikum. All right. Al,
[4:21:36] I'm going to vote I and we'll go this
[4:21:38] way.
[4:21:38] >> I
[4:21:42] >> All right. Thank you. Motion carries. U
[4:21:45] items for now items 10. Um, the
[4:21:48] scheduled items. 10.1 is a presentation
[4:21:51] of the ORM community development or CDBG
[4:21:54] updated annual action plan and proposed
[4:21:57] budget. And our presenters uh this
[4:21:59] evening are Bradley Day, our community
[4:22:01] and sustainability officer, and Jessica
[4:22:03] Dellora, Mountainland Association of
[4:22:05] Governments. So, welcome.
[4:22:07] >> Thank you.
[4:22:08] >> Is that on? Okay. Thank you so much for
[4:22:11] having us. As uh Mayor McKenna said, I'm
[4:22:13] Jessica Dellora with Mountainland
[4:22:14] Association of Governments. um work
[4:22:17] closely with Bradley on the community
[4:22:19] development block grant program. So, do
[4:22:21] you have anything or would you like to
[4:22:22] start?
[4:22:23] >> Okay. Um so, tonight we were originally
[4:22:26] planning to um have the council vote on
[4:22:28] a resolution to approve the draft annual
[4:22:31] action plan that we submit to HUD every
[4:22:33] year. Um but we didn't need to make a
[4:22:36] change to the plan and um push that
[4:22:38] timeline back a little bit. So, I'm
[4:22:39] going to talk to you about that. If I
[4:22:41] get too into the CDBG speak and don't
[4:22:43] make any sense, please feel free to
[4:22:45] interrupt me. so I can uh try again.
[4:22:48] Okay.
[4:22:50] Um so there are two two um things that
[4:22:53] we're trying to accomplish right now
[4:22:54] with the CDBG program. One is submit
[4:22:56] that annual action plan and the other is
[4:22:59] to wrap up um the city's revolving loan
[4:23:02] fund and reprogram those funds for other
[4:23:04] uses. So I'll give you a little
[4:23:06] background about the revolving loan
[4:23:08] fund. Um the the program was started I
[4:23:10] think several decades ago if I'm
[4:23:12] correct. Um, okay. Several decades ago
[4:23:15] to help small businesses through um
[4:23:18] loans for working capital and those
[4:23:20] kinds of things. Um, there have been
[4:23:22] many successful businesses that I'm sure
[4:23:24] you're aware of that got their start
[4:23:26] with these funds. Um, but it has become
[4:23:28] increasingly difficult for businesses
[4:23:31] um to meet the federal requirements,
[4:23:34] compliance and reporting requirements of
[4:23:36] the CDBG funds for the smaller dollar
[4:23:39] amount that they can get through the
[4:23:41] program. um that costbenefit analys
[4:23:44] analysis hasn't really worked out um in
[4:23:46] the last few years. So um the um the
[4:23:52] last loan was made in 2017, so it's not
[4:23:54] been super active as you can tell. Um
[4:23:58] and uh so that means that there are now
[4:24:00] some unspent funds that were programmed
[4:24:02] for the business loan for uh program
[4:24:04] that haven't been used. So that's about
[4:24:06] $350,000
[4:24:09] um in that program and that has
[4:24:11] triggered a different issue with HUD um
[4:24:13] what they call the timeliness test. You
[4:24:15] can't have more than 1.5 times your
[4:24:17] annual allocation in your um CDBG bank
[4:24:20] account. And so we're trying to address
[4:24:23] the revolving loan fund um so that we
[4:24:25] can get under that 1.5% as we pursue
[4:24:28] other projects.
[4:24:31] Um in 2021 um HUD came and did a routine
[4:24:35] monitoring of the program. A couple of
[4:24:37] businesses um did raise flags. They were
[4:24:40] unsuccessful in their business or unable
[4:24:42] to um provide the jobs required for the
[4:24:45] CDBG funding. Um and so what that did
[4:24:48] was trigger a finding that the city had
[4:24:50] been working through and then when MAG
[4:24:52] came on to administer, we've um
[4:24:53] continued that work to help the city
[4:24:55] reconcile the historic records from many
[4:24:57] decades um and just make sure that we're
[4:25:00] ready to close that program with the
[4:25:02] CDBG program and HUD. Um so as I
[4:25:05] mentioned, we've been working to do
[4:25:06] that. That leaves us with $350,000
[4:25:09] and we do have to include that amount in
[4:25:12] the upcoming annual action plan. We just
[4:25:14] found out from HUD in order to meet that
[4:25:16] timeliness. We've got to program it into
[4:25:18] the current action plan. Um that wasn't
[4:25:20] originally in the budget for this year's
[4:25:23] action plan because we were still
[4:25:24] working with HUD to resolve it. The
[4:25:26] government shutdown and their um short
[4:25:29] staffing put all of that work on hold
[4:25:31] and so we've reinitiated that
[4:25:33] conversation, but the timing has just
[4:25:35] really not been great. So, um, what we
[4:25:37] need to do is reprogram those funds, um,
[4:25:40] in a placeholder project for this year's
[4:25:43] action plan. What that means is that
[4:25:45] we'll put a generic capital improvements
[4:25:47] project into the plan. Um, we'll restart
[4:25:51] the public comment period um, and then
[4:25:53] come back to you next month to get a
[4:25:55] resolution to approve that plan. We'll
[4:25:58] then um work with the city and with the
[4:26:00] citizen commission and take public input
[4:26:03] on how to actually reprogram those
[4:26:05] $350,000. So, we're putting a
[4:26:07] placeholder in there to meet one
[4:26:08] requirement so we can move forward on
[4:26:10] another one. A little convoluted, but
[4:26:12] that's how we're going to um address
[4:26:13] that.
[4:26:15] So, you can see this is the new um
[4:26:17] expected funding. The annual allocation,
[4:26:19] what we get regularly from HUD is that
[4:26:21] 563,000.
[4:26:23] Um, and there's about $100,000 from past
[4:26:26] year projects that came in under budget
[4:26:28] or um, didn't proceed for some reason.
[4:26:30] And then we do anticipate making a
[4:26:33] little bit of cash there on the um,
[4:26:35] single family rehab uh, loan program
[4:26:38] that we incorporate. And then you'll see
[4:26:39] that $350,000. So, we're looking at just
[4:26:42] over a million dollars to program for
[4:26:44] this year.
[4:26:46] And this is the new um, allocations by
[4:26:49] project type. So that 350 has gone into
[4:26:52] that first line item, the public
[4:26:53] facilities and infrastructure. Nothing
[4:26:55] else has changed in the projects that
[4:26:57] you saw presented um last month.
[4:27:03] And so our next steps um we'll be
[4:27:05] holding a public hearing at MAG and
[4:27:07] online on June 11th. We would normally
[4:27:09] try to do that in this setting, but
[4:27:11] because of your schedule, we can't get
[4:27:13] that done in time to submit the action
[4:27:15] plan. So we will make that available to
[4:27:17] citizens online and at our offices. um
[4:27:20] from 5:15 to 6:00 p.m. on June 11th. Um
[4:27:23] we have also opened a um comment period
[4:27:26] for the public just started a few days
[4:27:28] ago and will go through June 22nd. So
[4:27:30] we'll be taking comment that whole time.
[4:27:32] We have links to that um from the ORM
[4:27:35] website to the ORM CDBG website that we
[4:27:37] host. So we will take those comments. Um
[4:27:39] and then we will come back to this
[4:27:41] council to vote to approve that action
[4:27:43] plan on June 23rd and submit that to
[4:27:46] HUD. Um, and as I mentioned, we will
[4:27:49] work with the city um and the citizen
[4:27:52] commission to identify priority projects
[4:27:54] once we get past this annual action plan
[4:27:56] submission.
[4:27:58] That's all I have.
[4:27:59] >> Thank you.
[4:28:00] >> Yeah.
[4:28:01] >> Uh, I know that in our discussions that the um the hold up on the on the
[4:28:08] 350,000 is not our city's doing. It's you've been wanting to do something
[4:28:14] get this, but it's been on the federal
[4:28:16] >> Yep. federal government. And the reason
[4:28:18] I just want to point out one of the as I
[4:28:19] read this, the reason why this money
[4:28:21] hasn't been used is because the dollar
[4:28:24] amounts that are available council for
[4:28:27] revolving loans do not justify the
[4:28:31] amount of bureaucracy
[4:28:34] >> needed to accept and use the loans. Is
[4:28:37] that is that a fair statement?
[4:28:38] >> Very fair statement. Yes.
[4:28:40] >> Okay. So, I just want to make sure that it's it just wasn't worth it. So,
[4:28:45] um, council, do you have any questions
[4:28:48] for Jessica or Bradley? Okay, thank you.
[4:28:50] Um, council member Miller.
[4:28:52] >> Okay. And I talked to Jessica earlier.
[4:28:53] Um, so just a few more comments. Um, I
[4:28:58] really appreciate this 350,000 and I
[4:29:00] appreciate your mentioning the um our
[4:29:04] rehab loan program. Really hoping that
[4:29:07] we can have some opportunity to further
[4:29:10] invest in ORM through renewal through
[4:29:13] that program. I think you've done some
[4:29:14] great things. Um, one of the the and
[4:29:17] having spoken with her, talked about
[4:29:19] this is our plan. We are at the end of
[4:29:22] this cycle. Your presentation here is at
[4:29:25] the end just to make it clear to
[4:29:26] everyone and we will be doing a new
[4:29:30] cycle this fall. Yep.
[4:29:32] >> With applications and everything. One
[4:29:34] thing we did kind of chat about was
[4:29:36] expanding the opportunities to other
[4:29:38] nonprofits. As I've looked through the
[4:29:40] plans, I was on CDBG for a few months my
[4:29:42] first year on the council and then I got
[4:29:44] shifted to another I think the Lake
[4:29:46] Authority Commission or something. I
[4:29:48] can't remember. But um um I I'm seeing
[4:29:53] the same nonprofits
[4:29:55] um that are receiving CDBG benefits. And
[4:29:58] I looked on like I just did a search
[4:30:01] today of um uh food pantry resources or
[4:30:06] groups, you know, nonprofits for that.
[4:30:08] And there were some great fun names like
[4:30:10] Lasagna Love and Homestyle Direct Meals
[4:30:13] and Mom's Meals, you know, things like
[4:30:15] that. And I think one of the things that
[4:30:17] we talked about was um p food pantries
[4:30:20] are great, but as I've been involved in
[4:30:23] some um efforts to help feed our
[4:30:27] children, um I'm finding that it's the
[4:30:30] same problem I have in my home. I go to
[4:30:32] the grocery store, I buy things, and
[4:30:34] they don't always make it in a meal to
[4:30:36] the table cuz maybe I don't plan ahead
[4:30:38] enough to put it all together at the
[4:30:40] right time or whatever reason or maybe
[4:30:42] there's an education aspect there. So, I
[4:30:44] guess I'm just advocating for two
[4:30:46] things. The first one is maybe in the
[4:30:48] future when we start looking for new
[4:30:50] projects, look for different ideas. Look for ways to maybe deliver a meal to
[4:30:55] a family versus little parts of a meal
[4:30:57] that they don't know what to do with and
[4:30:59] then some education in cooking. I know
[4:31:01] our my hometown is having classes on
[4:31:04] meal prep to help families. We all think
[4:31:08] we know how to do that, but there are a
[4:31:10] lot of people who weren't raised in a
[4:31:11] family that had a meal on the table um
[4:31:14] for them for their family unfortunately,
[4:31:17] right? Um and I guess the last thing
[4:31:19] would be the second thing is just that
[4:31:22] point of uh you talk about the red tape
[4:31:25] issues, mayor, help us help you. You
[4:31:28] know, we were sitting in an event here
[4:31:30] Saturday with Senator Curtis here in
[4:31:33] ORM. I see Senator Lee often. I would
[4:31:36] love to know what the needs are, how we
[4:31:38] can cut the bureaucratic red tape or
[4:31:40] give suggestions to push up the pipeline
[4:31:43] directly from you from the needs that
[4:31:45] you have. And otherwise, you know,
[4:31:47] there's going to be other people making
[4:31:48] those suggestions. So, why not have it
[4:31:50] be us, right? Why not you?
[4:31:52] >> Yep.
[4:31:53] >> So, anyway, I look forward to working
[4:31:54] with you more in the future and having
[4:31:56] that teamwork to try to fix some of
[4:31:59] these things that bureaucracy just
[4:32:01] shouldn't be involved in.
[4:32:03] >> Yeah, absolutely. And if I may respond,
[4:32:04] I appreciate those comments and I think
[4:32:06] they point to um maybe a two-prong
[4:32:08] approach we can take to make sure that
[4:32:10] the applications we receive are meeting
[4:32:12] the needs of the city and are being used
[4:32:14] effectively. Um the first one at just
[4:32:17] the local level is um building up
[4:32:20] organizations that don't currently have
[4:32:22] the capacity to meet all those
[4:32:24] compliance requirements in the long
[4:32:26] term. Um, I think working with our
[4:32:29] elected officials at the federal level
[4:32:31] to try and streamline some of that is a
[4:32:33] good way to go, but in the short term,
[4:32:35] building capacity of organizations to
[4:32:37] meet those. Mayor McCandless, you know
[4:32:39] how uh complicated it can be to meet all
[4:32:42] the requirements and submit all the
[4:32:44] reporting, have all the financial
[4:32:45] management and um administrative
[4:32:47] controls in place to comply with CDBG.
[4:32:50] It's just it's not easy um for
[4:32:52] organizations. So, I think one thing we
[4:32:54] could do is um if we target
[4:32:57] organizations that are doing the work
[4:32:58] that the city thinks is important and
[4:33:00] would like to see um doing some um
[4:33:03] technical assistance to help them
[4:33:05] prepare for receiving a grant or being
[4:33:08] competitive to receive a grant. So, we
[4:33:09] would um certainly love to hear any
[4:33:12] organizations that you have your eye on
[4:33:14] that might, you know, carry out the work
[4:33:16] that we need that we could help build
[4:33:17] that capacity so that when application
[4:33:19] time comes, um we know that they can
[4:33:21] carry it out. We don't want to set any
[4:33:23] organization up for failure with a
[4:33:25] federal grant that could end up in in
[4:33:27] paybacks and non non-compliance. So
[4:33:29] that's really important, I think, on our
[4:33:30] level. Did you have
[4:33:32] >> I just I was just going to mention Thank
[4:33:33] you. That's that's the thing. As I was
[4:33:35] thinking about these little groups, I
[4:33:37] first thought it'd be interesting to
[4:33:39] have a consortium of the of the groups
[4:33:41] and have have one person be the do all
[4:33:44] the compliance or like what when I was
[4:33:46] at when I was um running community
[4:33:48] action, what we would do is we would
[4:33:49] work with little organizations who
[4:33:51] didn't have the capacity for the
[4:33:53] financial or the compliance capacity and
[4:33:56] we subcontract with them. So they
[4:33:58] actually were able to provide the
[4:34:00] services that they had that they have,
[4:34:02] but they didn't have to have all of that
[4:34:05] expertise
[4:34:06] >> on staff. Yep. And so that that's a good
[4:34:09] point that there a lot of different
[4:34:10] options out there because I I follow
[4:34:13] Lasagna Love on there was one perman
[4:34:16] because I follow them on social media
[4:34:17] and they're wonderful wonderful
[4:34:19] organization and I and I love lasagna
[4:34:23] and so but and and then food security is
[4:34:26] near and dear to my heart. But yeah, I
[4:34:28] think that there are some options that
[4:34:30] we have as as council members to let to
[4:34:33] let Bradley know, let Jessica know that
[4:34:36] how can we what's important to our
[4:34:38] community and and let's see are there
[4:34:39] partners out there who can help
[4:34:41] facilitate that.
[4:34:42] >> Yep. And I'll say um we maintain a
[4:34:45] funding availability mailing list. Um
[4:34:48] it's thousands of entries long at this
[4:34:49] point. So we're always adding new
[4:34:51] organizations as they come along or get
[4:34:53] on our radar um or maybe do work that
[4:34:55] fits with CDBG. Um, our website has a
[4:34:58] link where any organization or
[4:34:59] individual can get on that mailing list
[4:35:01] or if we hear it from any of you, we'd
[4:35:03] be happy to add people to it. So, that
[4:35:05] can help us reach more organizations and
[4:35:07] also um if you have one specifically
[4:35:09] you're interested in, we can do that
[4:35:11] targeted technical assistance to see if
[4:35:13] they're a good fit for um funding for
[4:35:16] that program. And can I just the lasagna
[4:35:18] love? It looked to me like they just
[4:35:19] deliver lasagna, right? They deliver
[4:35:21] love lasagna. But why not? And I think
[4:35:24] we maybe said this, deliver a recipe
[4:35:26] with it. Deliver. This is how you can
[4:35:28] make it in your home. This is what you
[4:35:30] have to buy. Mom, you know, who's
[4:35:32] overwhelmed already with looking for a
[4:35:34] job or making ends meet. But anyway,
[4:35:36] just I would love to see a little more
[4:35:38] out of the box thinking on ways we can
[4:35:40] and I really appreciate Mary you're
[4:35:42] saying that of how to help these other
[4:35:44] groups y
[4:35:45] >> become more effective. Um and then I
[4:35:47] think our other um maybe suggestion of
[4:35:49] how we could accomplish um your goals um
[4:35:52] once we identify projects that you're
[4:35:54] interested in and find a partner that
[4:35:56] has capacity to implement that is to um
[4:36:00] we'd love to run a project you know
[4:36:02] together and see is this feasible is it
[4:36:05] eligible for CDBG what are all the
[4:36:06] compliance requirements that come with
[4:36:08] that particular type of activity um we
[4:36:10] always want to do that as early as
[4:36:12] possible so we don't spend a lot of time
[4:36:15] building a project that ultimately is
[4:36:17] just a bad fit for CDBG and they're just
[4:36:19] are projects like that. Um, and I think
[4:36:21] our experience has really helped us find
[4:36:23] what those are. So, if you have an idea
[4:36:25] you want to kick around, we'd love to do
[4:36:26] that in the early stages and say, "Okay,
[4:36:28] if you want to do this, here's the kind
[4:36:29] of stuff. Here's the data we'll have to
[4:36:32] um get from the from the organization
[4:36:34] that they'll have to report on clients
[4:36:35] and all those kinds of things." It helps
[4:36:37] us really figure out what's feasible
[4:36:38] early on in the stage. So, we would love
[4:36:40] to do that. That process also helps us
[4:36:42] identify where the red tape is. So we
[4:36:44] can say this project would be great.
[4:36:46] Here's the CDBG red tape that is holding
[4:36:48] it back. And those might be the things
[4:36:50] that we could take to our federal
[4:36:51] elected officials and say this isn't
[4:36:54] regulatory required, but it's been a HUD
[4:36:56] mandate and and those kinds of things we
[4:36:58] could maybe identify that way. Um and
[4:37:00] then again finding the right partners
[4:37:02] whose vision and mission aligns with
[4:37:04] what the city needs and building those
[4:37:06] projects as early as we can so that
[4:37:08] they're ready. And sometimes that takes
[4:37:10] more than one year or one cycle. and
[4:37:12] maybe we'll start the conversation in
[4:37:14] the next cycle, but they won't be ready
[4:37:15] to apply or to implement a project um
[4:37:17] until another year or two. So, those are
[4:37:20] my recommendations. Of course, we really
[4:37:22] need the city's help in identifying what
[4:37:24] it is you're looking for and the
[4:37:25] partners that would be a right fit, but
[4:37:26] we'd love to um help ideulate on those
[4:37:29] projects. That would be most beneficial.
[4:37:32] For sure.
[4:37:33] >> Yeah.
[4:37:33] >> All right. Any other comments, council?
[4:37:36] >> All right. Thank you. Yep. Appreciate
[4:37:38] it.
[4:37:38] >> See you next month.
[4:37:39] >> All right. We'll see you next month.
[4:37:41] Thank you.
[4:37:42] >> Right.
[4:37:45] Another Oh, a very long sentence. Okay.
[4:37:48] Public hearing. We have a public hearing
[4:37:50] now. Ordinance amending articles
[4:37:51] 2-15-2-1511
[4:37:56] 2-16-2
[4:37:58] and 22-21
[4:38:00] of the Orm City Code relating to the
[4:38:02] powers and duties of the planning
[4:38:04] commission and special exceptions.
[4:38:07] And it almost gave you enough time to
[4:38:09] get up here and set up.
[4:38:10] >> Almost.
[4:38:11] >> Oh, I could could have done a little
[4:38:12] more slowly, but I didn't.
[4:38:14] >> Welcome. Um Jared Holler, planning
[4:38:16] manager, will be presenting.
[4:38:18] >> Thank you.
[4:38:20] >> If he gets everything plugged in and
[4:38:22] running, he'll be presenting.
[4:38:28] » So, thanks. I um this is a text
[4:38:30] amendment that the um planning staff
[4:38:32] brought forward. We u just to to put it
[4:38:34] in a nutshell has a lot of different
[4:38:36] articles and citations there you can
[4:38:39] really break it down into two parts and
[4:38:40] I want to background it first by saying
[4:38:42] there are different things that the
[4:38:43] planning commission does different
[4:38:44] things that the board of adjustments
[4:38:46] does among those things are special
[4:38:48] exceptions these are already part of
[4:38:49] code the board of adjustments usually
[4:38:51] when people think of the board of
[4:38:52] adjustments they think about variances
[4:38:53] and that's still correct the board of
[4:38:55] adjustments handles variances in their
[4:38:56] powers and duties and they handle a
[4:38:58] couple of different special exceptions
[4:39:00] which don't have to meet the same uh
[4:39:02] really stringent standards of special of
[4:39:04] U variances. The planning commission
[4:39:07] does uh land use recommendations to you
[4:39:08] legislatively and does the
[4:39:10] administrative duties that they have and
[4:39:11] those powers and duties are all in
[4:39:13] article 2 for both of those different
[4:39:14] bodies. So that's why you see the
[4:39:15] article 2 references. Article 221 is
[4:39:18] part of our zoning code and it's a
[4:39:20] specific special exception. Okay. So
[4:39:22] what does this amendment that we're
[4:39:23] proposing do? It changes the it makes a
[4:39:26] couple of changes to powers and duties
[4:39:27] as they relate to the board of
[4:39:28] adjustments and the planning commission
[4:39:30] in order to transfer to transfer the
[4:39:32] review and um granting of special
[4:39:34] exceptions from the board to the
[4:39:36] planning commission instead. Um and
[4:39:39] specifically there are two special
[4:39:41] exceptions in our code. One is for
[4:39:42] billboards um because the billboard
[4:39:44] lobby has power to say we want to change
[4:39:46] this billboard or relocate it because of
[4:39:48] these circumstances and we grant a
[4:39:50] special exception for a very couple of
[4:39:51] very specific circumstances. The board
[4:39:53] of adjustments has traditionally
[4:39:54] reviewed those and said okay uh and
[4:39:57] granted them if it meets the standards.
[4:39:59] And then the second one is a finding of
[4:40:00] an exception to allow multif family
[4:40:02] development on single family parcels in
[4:40:05] certain circumstances. There's a long
[4:40:06] list of circumstances that you have to
[4:40:08] make that finding for. Uh we're not
[4:40:10] proposing any changes to those. That's
[4:40:11] in addition to this. What does it not
[4:40:13] do? It just transfers the burden of
[4:40:16] reviewing those exceptions and the
[4:40:18] eligibility for them and then granting
[4:40:20] them to the planning commission instead
[4:40:22] of the board of adjustments. Does that
[4:40:23] make sense enough?
[4:40:24] >> So, it's just who who reviews it. No,
[4:40:27] we're not making any change proposing
[4:40:29] any changes to any of the other
[4:40:31] ordinances or anything.
[4:40:32] >> That's exactly right.
[4:40:33] >> Just who who it goes to for review.
[4:40:35] Okay.
[4:40:35] >> That that's exactly right. Um, so this
[4:40:38] is the list of them. Uh some of them are
[4:40:41] things that we there are in 25 or sorry
[4:40:43] in 2152 for example that's an addition.
[4:40:46] It doesn't say anything about the board
[4:40:47] or sorry about the planning commission
[4:40:48] in its powers and duties doing special
[4:40:50] exceptions. So we would need to say
[4:40:52] specifically they're they're empowered
[4:40:54] to do that. 21510 is that exception for
[4:40:57] relocating billboards. Um that section
[4:41:00] is related to the BOA. We would strike
[4:41:02] that because we wouldn't want them to do
[4:41:03] that anymore if this is approved. 2162
[4:41:06] that's powers of the board. We would
[4:41:08] strike them hearing those exceptions
[4:41:09] 21611 that grants the that creates a
[4:41:12] section or changes the name for the BOA
[4:41:14] and the planning commission hear them
[4:41:15] instead. And then 2221 again that
[4:41:17] criteria there are a couple of places in
[4:41:19] the body of 2221 where it references the
[4:41:22] board of adjustments must make this
[4:41:23] finding in order to grant eligibility
[4:41:25] for this exception. Uh we would change
[4:41:27] those to planning commission and that is
[4:41:29] in a nutshell what this would do. We
[4:41:32] don't have a lot of applications for
[4:41:33] this. There aren't a lot of properties
[4:41:34] that meet eligibility. Um the ones that
[4:41:37] we've had brought to us so far have
[4:41:38] failed uh eligibility and haven't been
[4:41:40] eligible. So we'll we'll keep
[4:41:42] >> All right. Thank you.
[4:41:44] >> Um Council Member Mikum.
[4:41:47] >> So uh Jared, I I was there planning
[4:41:50] commission when this was brought forward
[4:41:51] and they it made sense to them. Um gives
[4:41:54] them more stuff to do potentially. Um uh
[4:41:57] my understanding is that one of the
[4:41:59] motivations for this change is that the
[4:42:01] board of adjustments meets very
[4:42:02] irregularly.
[4:42:03] >> Yes. and that can cause problems um in
[4:42:07] terms of getting things done and the
[4:42:09] planning commission meets twice a month
[4:42:11] and so planning commission would be able
[4:42:13] to deal with these in a much more timely
[4:42:14] way. Is that correct?
[4:42:15] >> That's that's correct for for two
[4:42:17] reasons really. The first being that the
[4:42:19] board doesn't meet as often or it meets
[4:42:21] very irregularly only when there are
[4:42:22] applications. And the second being that
[4:42:24] part of article 2221,
[4:42:28] everyone hates me when I talk about
[4:42:29] 2221. The staff is so sick of it. When
[4:42:32] part of article 221 is finding the
[4:42:34] eligibility, that's the board of
[4:42:35] adjustments job. And then within that
[4:42:37] same body, the planning commission has
[4:42:39] to review a site plan if it's approved
[4:42:41] for eligibility, if it's granted the
[4:42:43] special exception, and then apply all of
[4:42:45] these different standards. and they are
[4:42:46] a little different than normal multif
[4:42:48] family or site planning standards. So it
[4:42:50] just made sense to say why are two
[4:42:53] different bodies reviewing the same
[4:42:54] standards and then one of them is saying
[4:42:56] okay you can apply these standards and
[4:42:57] the next body is applying them let's
[4:42:58] just let the one body do it especially
[4:43:00] because they're land use decisions
[4:43:01] having to do with the billboards and the
[4:43:03] uh the multif family standard there. Um
[4:43:06] my my second question is
[4:43:09] uh how does the board of adjustments
[4:43:11] feel about this and uh what duties
[4:43:15] remain for them that we are not
[4:43:17] transferring over?
[4:43:18] >> They they still get that's a great
[4:43:20] question. They still get in my opinion
[4:43:21] the worst of all possible land use
[4:43:23] duties which is variance. They still
[4:43:24] have to review variances which are just
[4:43:27] monstrous things to have to review. The
[4:43:29] five tests of hardship and emotions run
[4:43:31] really high. So, they still have a
[4:43:33] terrible job to do. And I would ask them
[4:43:34] if I could convene them, but all of them
[4:43:35] are um are are in that period between
[4:43:39] having served. We need a new board of
[4:43:40] adjustments. So, I don't know how they
[4:43:42] feel about it. You'd have to contact
[4:43:44] them. Um my guess is they've probably
[4:43:46] not reviewed a lot of these exceptions
[4:43:48] over the years. Their job, their main
[4:43:49] job has always been variances and
[4:43:51] probably always willing and appeals.
[4:43:52] They hear appeals, too. So, they get two
[4:43:54] of the worst jobs. So, do you have a
[4:43:55] sense on an annual basis how many of
[4:43:57] these uh special exceptions might come
[4:43:59] before either the board of adjustments
[4:44:01] or the planning commission?
[4:44:02] >> I only know of one that was done in I
[4:44:03] think 20. One was reviewed in like 2018,
[4:44:05] 2019, something like that. So, I'm only
[4:44:08] aware of the one. I wouldn't expect one
[4:44:10] more than every couple of years
[4:44:12] possibly.
[4:44:12] >> I've only had seen a board of
[4:44:14] adjustments meeting once in 5 years.
[4:44:16] >> Yeah.
[4:44:17] >> And that was Yeah. And that was maybe
[4:44:19] for an exception. We had the board of
[4:44:20] adjustments meet for a variance. In the
[4:44:23] two years I've been here, not quite two
[4:44:24] years, had the board of adjustments meet
[4:44:26] once. Um, previous locations, previous
[4:44:28] municipalities where I've worked in in
[4:44:30] later years, boards of adjustments have
[4:44:32] met less frequently. For actual variance
[4:44:34] cases, I might hear two or three a year
[4:44:36] at the very most in a very active BOA.
[4:44:40] >> Right. Council, any other questions?
[4:44:43] All right. This is a public hearing, so
[4:44:44] I'm going to go ahead and open the
[4:44:45] public hearing. is if anyone who anyone
[4:44:48] would like to speak to these proposed
[4:44:51] amendments to the city code, you're
[4:44:53] welcome to come up and introduce
[4:44:54] yourself and and make your comments.
[4:45:03] Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the
[4:45:05] public hearing and bring it back to the
[4:45:06] council. So, council, what would you
[4:45:09] like to do with this?
[4:45:13] Mayor, I'd like to make a motion.
[4:45:16] I move to approve by ordinance amending
[4:45:18] articles 2-15-2,
[4:45:20] 2-2-15-11,
[4:45:23] 2-16-2, and 22-21
[4:45:27] of the ORM city code relating to the
[4:45:29] powers and duties of the planning
[4:45:30] commission and special exceptions.
[4:45:33] >> Right. Thank you. We have a motion.
[4:45:35] >> I second.
[4:45:35] >> Right. Thank you, Council Member Kilpac
[4:45:37] for the second. So, we have a motion and
[4:45:39] a second to approve. Is there any more
[4:45:40] discussion?
[4:45:42] All right. Council member Kilpac, how do
[4:45:43] you vote?
[4:45:44] >> I Okay, the motion carries. Thank you.
[4:45:52] Next item on the agenda is a public
[4:45:54] hearing, another one. It's an ordinance
[4:45:56] amending article 22-5-3A
[4:46:00] in the zoning map of the city of ORM by
[4:46:02] changing the zone of the property
[4:46:04] located generally at 355 West University
[4:46:06] Parkway from R8 single family
[4:46:08] residential to C2 commercial together
[4:46:12] with a development agreement limiting
[4:46:14] certain uses. So I'll go turn the time
[4:46:16] over to you uh Mr. Hall.
[4:46:17] >> Thank you. Um thanks again. So this is a
[4:46:20] request for a zone change as you said to
[4:46:23] C2. This property that you can see here,
[4:46:25] it's just under six acres. This was the
[4:46:28] um the the demonstration gardens for the conservation district or the u
[4:46:33] I'm getting the wrong word. I'm
[4:46:35] distracted by the the Garden of Eden.
[4:46:36] It's like we're conducting the people's
[4:46:38] business from the Garden of Eden here.
[4:46:40] We should have this all the time. By the
[4:46:42] time you get to Bren, you're in the
[4:46:43] wasteland and then further out the
[4:46:45] further you go that way. But you guys
[4:46:46] are all good still. So, um, it it yeah,
[4:46:52] it was the it was a it was a
[4:46:53] demonstration garden. It stayed in the
[4:46:55] R8 zone. So, it's a non-conforming use,
[4:46:57] this office building here. It's been
[4:46:59] used as an office for some time, but
[4:47:00] it's been non-conforming to the R8 zone.
[4:47:02] The applicants in this case have come uh
[4:47:05] with an application to change the zoning
[4:47:07] to C2. This is University Parkway out
[4:47:09] front. Um, the the project is this is a
[4:47:13] snip from the land use map in the
[4:47:14] general plan. Uh, it's regional
[4:47:16] commercial. C2 is one of the zones
[4:47:18] that's prescribed by regional
[4:47:19] commercial. There are several um most of
[4:47:21] the properties along the Parkway are in
[4:47:23] this regional commercial uh land use
[4:47:25] category. Several of them in terms of
[4:47:27] zoning or in for example highway
[4:47:29] services here and then the PD5 which is
[4:47:30] a specialized uh commercial zone, a
[4:47:33] development agreement kind of a zone and
[4:47:35] some others. Uh they've asked for the C2
[4:47:37] zoning for some flexibility in site
[4:47:39] planning. Uh a PD zone um limits the
[4:47:43] site plan. They're shopping for
[4:47:44] different tenants. They want to have
[4:47:46] some ability to This is really good
[4:47:48] visibility for some great retail. They
[4:47:50] want it as as uh potential developers to
[4:47:53] be able to accommodate uh different uh
[4:47:56] higherend retail establishments if they
[4:47:58] come through. They have provided a
[4:47:59] concept site plan um because we ask for
[4:48:03] that with our zone change applications.
[4:48:05] Uh the site plan they provided as you
[4:48:08] can see it incorporates still that
[4:48:10] office building that that would remain.
[4:48:12] Uh and then another about 12,000 ft²
[4:48:14] just over 12,000 square ft of retail can
[4:48:16] be accommodated with the parking that's
[4:48:18] needed uh in that area and they would
[4:48:20] choose that kind of high side visibility
[4:48:22] to University Parkway. There are
[4:48:24] standards in place with C2 zoning that
[4:48:26] require buffering from residential uh
[4:48:28] buildings have to be set back at least
[4:48:29] the height of the building uh from
[4:48:31] residential property lines. And as you
[4:48:32] can see there is this very established
[4:48:35] uh residential neighborhood uh just to
[4:48:37] the rear. Uh there's already a wall in
[4:48:39] place back here and some landscaping
[4:48:41] that would all be maintained in any kind
[4:48:42] of a site plan for the buffer. Uh again
[4:48:45] though, I want to stress that site plans
[4:48:47] are we we look at concepts for these
[4:48:49] zone changes, but the C2 would allow
[4:48:51] them to hunt for different tenants for
[4:48:52] these areas and and site planning as a
[4:48:56] process. If it were reszoned to R,
[4:48:58] sorry, to R2. If it were reszoned to C2
[4:49:01] zoning, they'd still have to come back
[4:49:02] through the planning commission for any
[4:49:04] site plan and development. Um, so that's one thing to be aware of.
[4:49:08] >> So this site plan is not part of the
[4:49:10] development agreement.
[4:49:11] >> Not part of the development. Okay. The
[4:49:12] development agreement that they proposed
[4:49:13] after meeting with the neighborhood and
[4:49:15] then with the planning commission uh is
[4:49:17] limited to uses. They um the
[4:49:20] neighborhood was concerned about uh
[4:49:22] vehicle oriented uses, car sales, gas
[4:49:24] stations, that kind of thing. Uh they
[4:49:26] had no problem with that as as a as a
[4:49:28] developer. In fact, they just added
[4:49:30] several things to that as well. um areas
[4:49:33] that they're not interested or different
[4:49:35] um sorry different uses that they're not
[4:49:37] really interested in leasing to on this
[4:49:38] property. So they would eliminate those
[4:49:40] in their uh development agreement as
[4:49:43] well. The planning commission added
[4:49:44] tattooing to that when they made their
[4:49:46] motion at their public hearing. Um they
[4:49:49] held their hearing on April 1st. Then
[4:49:51] the applicant went developed development
[4:49:53] agreement came back on April 15th and uh
[4:49:56] they were voted 6 to0 to recommend the
[4:49:58] city approval along with that
[4:50:00] development agreement. But it is limited
[4:50:02] to uses, these different uses that they
[4:50:04] would voluntarily eliminate from their
[4:50:07] lists.
[4:50:08] >> All right. Thank you. Any questions for
[4:50:11] um Mr. Hall? Right. The applicant here
[4:50:13] this evening. All right. Welcome. Would
[4:50:15] you like to come up and introduce
[4:50:17] yourself? And if there's anything you
[4:50:18] would like to add, uh please feel free
[4:50:21] to do so.
[4:50:22] >> Absolutely. Thanks for having me
[4:50:23] tonight. My name is McKenna Christensen
[4:50:25] with Cole West. Um Jared gave a really
[4:50:28] great overview, but um just to give you
[4:50:30] a little more background, we chose the
[4:50:32] C2 zone rather than a PD. Um like Jared
[4:50:35] said, just to have some flexibility if
[4:50:38] we need to change some of the building
[4:50:40] elevations, make it bigger or smaller to
[4:50:42] accommodate tenants. Um we wanted the
[4:50:44] flexibility to be able to do that
[4:50:46] without having to come through an entire
[4:50:48] zone amendment process and then a site
[4:50:50] plan. Um, so we we had a a really good
[4:50:54] meeting with the neighbors, went to two
[4:50:56] planning commission meetings, talked
[4:50:57] through all the uses. Um, I think we
[4:50:59] landed on on a really good compromise
[4:51:01] with this development agreement, but if
[4:51:03] there's any questions, concerns, I'd be
[4:51:05] happy to answer any of those.
[4:51:07] >> All right. Thank you. Do you have
[4:51:08] council? Do you have any questions for
[4:51:10] the applicant? All right. Thank you, me.
[4:51:12] Um, council member Millet.
[4:51:14] >> Okay. Few questions. So, Cole West, what
[4:51:16] do you guys specialize in? You're a
[4:51:17] retail developer or what kind?
[4:51:18] >> Retail and residential. retail and
[4:51:20] residential. So, are you looking at
[4:51:21] mixed use for this area?
[4:51:23] >> Uh, we we are not looking at this site
[4:51:26] for mixed use. Um, we do all types of
[4:51:28] housing. We do forale single family, um,
[4:51:31] built for rent town homes, uh, single
[4:51:34] family homes. Looking at the general
[4:51:36] plan, it didn't seem like it was
[4:51:38] appropriate for this area and that this
[4:51:40] was more of, um, the commercial
[4:51:42] corridor. Um it is a great location
[4:51:44] being next to UVU, but um hearing about
[4:51:48] some of the historical history of the
[4:51:50] site um and some of the other ongoing
[4:51:52] developments in the city that were
[4:51:54] capitalizing on more uh dense multif
[4:51:56] family and residential. We didn't feel
[4:51:58] it was appropriate for this site.
[4:52:00] >> Okay. Cuz there it is pretty
[4:52:01] concentrated in that area already
[4:52:04] >> there. That street is really heavily
[4:52:06] concentrated with high density. Um on
[4:52:09] your So thank you for that. I look for I
[4:52:12] saw some little notes of potential
[4:52:14] retail um restaurant people there look
[4:52:17] great. Hopefully you can get one of them
[4:52:19] in particular that I love but um I won't
[4:52:22] mention it here but um let's see. Thank
[4:52:25] you so much to our planning commission
[4:52:26] for adding tattooing and thank you for
[4:52:28] not being interested in that of course.
[4:52:31] >> And then my last question is um on your
[4:52:33] site plan you did concentrate will you
[4:52:35] pull that up Jared? The site plan. So,
[4:52:38] it looks like that bottom part it I I'm
[4:52:40] guessing you don't need all that parking
[4:52:42] for what you these two buildings.
[4:52:45] >> No, probably not.
[4:52:46] >> Buildings.
[4:52:47] >> Probably not. All of the parking on the
[4:52:49] east side is really for the office.
[4:52:51] We'll need some of that um southwest
[4:52:54] corner for the two retail buildings,
[4:52:56] particularly if we have some restaurant
[4:52:58] users that typically take up some more
[4:53:00] parking, but it is unlikely we would
[4:53:03] need all of that parking. Okay. because
[4:53:05] I know there's like concerns. I've heard
[4:53:07] some of the neighbors with that exit,
[4:53:10] right? Um if there are a lot of cars,
[4:53:12] the facility that was there didn't
[4:53:14] really have a lot of in and out. Um but
[4:53:16] with this you would and it doesn't
[4:53:18] really line up with the other streets
[4:53:20] there. So I think Jared had I saw some
[4:53:22] notations somewhere. Is that something
[4:53:24] you're okay with maybe moving your
[4:53:27] entrance a little farther? Is that
[4:53:29] >> um or south? I think we would like to
[4:53:34] preserve it um if possible. I think with
[4:53:37] our site plan, we do still need to order
[4:53:38] a traffic study if that's correct. So, I
[4:53:41] think we'd probably want to wait for a
[4:53:42] traffic study to come back before we
[4:53:44] agreed to do that or not. Um if the
[4:53:47] traffic study determines that,
[4:53:48] obviously, that's something we would do,
[4:53:50] but we are we do have an existing tenant
[4:53:52] in the office building. We do want to
[4:53:54] minimize disruption to them as much as
[4:53:56] possible so it doesn't affect their
[4:53:57] business. having to move that location.
[4:53:59] We'd probably need to relocate a lot of
[4:54:01] utilities, disrupt the drive aisle, um
[4:54:04] do there is a lot of topography on the
[4:54:06] site, so there would probably be a lot
[4:54:08] of grading um that we would need to do.
[4:54:10] If we're required, we certainly will,
[4:54:13] but we want to um we don't want to cause
[4:54:16] disruptions that aren't necessary.
[4:54:17] >> So, I guess my So, right there, that
[4:54:19] corner right is um the southwest that's
[4:54:22] right next to the neighbors. And I read
[4:54:23] an email, something back and forth. It
[4:54:25] sounded like you're very interested in working with the neighbors and I
[4:54:28] appreciate that, but at this point
[4:54:30] you're telling me I'm guessing all that
[4:54:32] parking is not going to stay there.
[4:54:33] You're going to want to put something
[4:54:34] >> in that area cuz I don't think you need
[4:54:36] all that parking. Did you have anything
[4:54:38] in mind for that or?
[4:54:39] >> We don't have anything in mind for that
[4:54:41] yet. Um I think it's really going to be
[4:54:43] dependent on the uses right now. Um in
[4:54:46] the western building, we have two
[4:54:48] restaurants planned there and then a
[4:54:50] veterinarian that's planned in the
[4:54:52] eastern building. Um, we've had a couple
[4:54:54] conversations with a restaurant for that
[4:54:56] eastern building, too. Um, that they
[4:54:58] might need to grow that building. Um,
[4:55:00] depending on square footage and how many
[4:55:03] restaurants we have, it really could
[4:55:04] require all that parking. So, I can't
[4:55:07] give you a firm answer, but um, if that
[4:55:10] becomes excess kind of dead parking, I
[4:55:13] think that's something we could look at
[4:55:14] in the future.
[4:55:15] >> Okay. And then just, you know, I know at
[4:55:16] one point for this particular property
[4:55:19] five, six years ago, I saw something
[4:55:20] that there was a a possibility of a
[4:55:23] Longhorn steakhouse. And I just want to
[4:55:25] put that out there as a wonderful option
[4:55:27] if you ever
[4:55:32] » Rio, that would be good, too.
[4:55:35] >> Duran Duran,
[4:55:37] >> we have a Duran ongoing Duran Duran joke
[4:55:40] going tonight, so I'm sorry that
[4:55:41] >> No, you're totally fine. Um, yeah, we
[4:55:44] actually have talked to Longhorn about
[4:55:46] this project. We were going back and
[4:55:47] forth with them for a while. Um, I don't
[4:55:50] know if anything came of it, but I did
[4:55:52] hear they were looking somewhere else in
[4:55:54] the city that had a little more um
[4:55:56] anchoring uses um that they would want
[4:55:58] to be close to. So, okay.
[4:56:00] >> Um, they're I think they did pass on
[4:56:02] this site, but we tried to get them
[4:56:03] here. So,
[4:56:04] >> thank you.
[4:56:06] >> All right, council. Okay, Council Member
[4:56:08] Mikum. Um I you know I had the same
[4:56:11] question about parking that that seems
[4:56:14] for the size of the retail it seems like
[4:56:16] an excessive amount of parking. So I'm guessing by the time we we see a
[4:56:19] site plan that'll be more refined and
[4:56:21] we'll have a chance to
[4:56:22] >> to examine that in more detail. Uh uh
[4:56:26] can you uh remind me who is in that
[4:56:28] office building and how many employees
[4:56:31] that they have there? Greenex Pest
[4:56:33] Control. Um, their employee count, they
[4:56:37] typically need around 150 to 175 stalls
[4:56:40] talking to them. Their employee count
[4:56:42] varies by season. In the summer, they do
[4:56:45] a lot of doortodoor sales, so there's
[4:56:46] not quite as many people in office. Um,
[4:56:49] and then in the winter, it picks up a
[4:56:51] little bit, but their lease goes until
[4:56:53] 2032, I believe. So, they're planning on
[4:56:55] being there for a while.
[4:56:57] >> Okay.
[4:56:58] I I'll just say that this is kind of a
[4:57:00] uniquely positioned site, right? U it's
[4:57:04] is as you're going up the hill, as you
[4:57:06] come up University Parkway, um it has
[4:57:10] both opportunities and challenges,
[4:57:11] right? The opportunity is that it's it's
[4:57:13] a pretty unique space. Um and I think
[4:57:15] you could do something pretty fun and
[4:57:17] interesting there. I think the challenge
[4:57:20] is just that because of the elevation
[4:57:21] sometimes it might be hard to see some
[4:57:23] of that frontage. Uh it looks like
[4:57:25] you've got it right out there in in the
[4:57:27] front, which probably um make that work
[4:57:29] just fine. But I I would just encourage
[4:57:31] you to uh recognize that it's it's a
[4:57:34] unique kind of a special spot in the
[4:57:36] city and uh having something kind of
[4:57:39] special there, right, that also meets
[4:57:41] all of the traffic requirements and
[4:57:44] other things I think is appropriate.
[4:57:45] >> Okay. Thank you.
[4:57:48] >> Great. Thank you. Anybody else?
[4:57:51] All right. Thank you. This is a public
[4:57:52] hearing and I'm going to if goinghead
[4:57:56] and open that public hearing. If there's
[4:57:57] anyone who would like to come and speak
[4:57:59] to this item, um you are welcome to come
[4:58:01] up and do so.
[4:58:11] Seeing none, go ahead and close the
[4:58:13] public hearing and bring it back to the
[4:58:16] city council, right, for discussion. So,
[4:58:19] council, what what would you like to do
[4:58:21] with u this application?
[4:58:24] >> Can I and I apologize. I I neglected to make one point for you all related to
[4:58:28] the development agreement.
[4:58:29] >> Oh, okay.
[4:58:30] >> We have not executed the development
[4:58:31] agreement. It's ready to go. Um but uh
[4:58:34] Cole Cole needs to sign and we would
[4:58:37] need to sign. So, we would ask you
[4:58:39] tonight if you would consider um
[4:58:41] continuing until we have that executed
[4:58:43] if you're
[4:58:44] >> Okay. So,
[4:58:45] >> if you can continue to your next hearing
[4:58:46] and then we'll
[4:58:47] >> So, you rather rather continue it rather
[4:58:50] than approving it based on the signed.
[4:58:52] You'd rather have it all done than Okay.
[4:58:55] So, so an appropriate motion would be to
[4:58:57] continue this until June 23rd.
[4:59:00] >> And we feel like the development group
[4:59:01] is ready to go. We just need to get it
[4:59:02] executed.
[4:59:03] >> Okay. Is that something that we can put
[4:59:04] on the consent calendar on the 23rd? I
[4:59:08] don't know how with land use.
[4:59:11] >> Yeah, you've had the public hearing. Uh
[4:59:12] closed the public hearing. So yeah, I
[4:59:15] think you could could put it on the
[4:59:16] consent.
[4:59:17] >> All right. How would you feel about
[4:59:18] that, council continuing it to the 23rd
[4:59:20] to have the development agreement signed
[4:59:22] and then have it on the consent
[4:59:23] calendar?
[4:59:24] >> Yeah, I think that's fine. If there's
[4:59:25] any issues with the development
[4:59:27] agreement, we could pull it off the
[4:59:28] consent.
[4:59:28] >> That's correct.
[4:59:29] >> Yep.
[4:59:29] >> Right.
[4:59:30] >> All right. Thank you, uh, Mr. Hall.
[4:59:32] >> Thank you.
[4:59:33] >> All right. Sounds like I have an idea of
[4:59:35] what a motion could look like.
[4:59:42] I can make a motion. May I move that we
[4:59:45] uh
[4:59:48] >> continue?
[4:59:48] until June 23rd, this uh item
[4:59:51] 10.3.
[4:59:54] >> All right. Do we need to put in the
[4:59:55] motion that it gets put on the consent
[4:59:58] calendar or what? Just goes it just gets
[5:00:00] continued until our next meeting on June
[5:00:02] 23rd. Not next meeting, but our meeting
[5:00:03] on June 23rd.
[5:00:04] >> Yeah.
[5:00:05] >> Thank you, Council Member Kilpat. Can we
[5:00:07] have a motion? Is there a second? I'll
[5:00:09] second.
[5:00:09] >> All right. Thank you, Council Member
[5:00:11] Molstein. Um, any further discussion,
[5:00:13] Council?
[5:00:15] >> All right. How do you vote, Council
[5:00:16] Member Molstein?
[5:00:17] >> I
[5:00:21] >> All right. Motion carries.
[5:00:23] >> Thank you all.
[5:00:23] >> All right. Thank you. Next item on the
[5:00:26] agenda is our
[5:00:29] um esteemed city manager.
[5:00:32] And for any information items, I'll turn
[5:00:34] it over to you, Bren. Um just a public
[5:00:38] thank you to each of you for your
[5:00:42] support, participation, time, effort,
[5:00:47] encouragement,
[5:00:48] money, space as it relates to the Gold
[5:00:52] Star family's memorial and our Freedom
[5:00:53] Plaza and our Memorial Day event. um you
[5:00:58] know being in this career for over 19
[5:01:00] years that will just this last week
[5:01:03] weekend will be uh a top top highlight
[5:01:07] of mine and uh it was wonderful to have
[5:01:10] things kind of come full circle and be
[5:01:12] reminded of of um late night
[5:01:16] conversations with uh Brent Taylor and his wife and and talking about uh
[5:01:22] putting uh service leadership and
[5:01:24] sacrificing for others uh uh in front of
[5:01:27] ourselves and um and the the wonderful
[5:01:31] events that we had this last weekend uh
[5:01:33] just kind of brought that all to the
[5:01:35] four and and reinforced the importance
[5:01:37] of those valuable principles and and so
[5:01:40] just thank you so much for being
[5:01:42] completely allin uh on on these just
[5:01:46] wonderful uh events and programs and
[5:01:48] projects. Thank you. Thank you.
[5:01:50] >> Right. Thank you. It truly was a
[5:01:51] wonderful weekend and Orm's a great city
[5:01:55] to live in. All right, if you don't have
[5:01:58] anything else, Brian, we'll go. I would
[5:02:00] entertain a motion to adjurnn.
[5:02:02] >> I move that we adjourn.
[5:02:04] >> Motion in a second. All those in favor
[5:02:05] say I. I. I.
[5:02:07] >> All right. We'll see y'all.