1 00:01:59,760 --> 00:03:50,229 Mhm. 2 00:03:50,239 --> 00:03:51,320 » Black sesame water. 3 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,360 >> Here's special order. 4 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,360 >> Wow. 5 00:03:53,360 --> 00:09:37,270 >> So, just want to make sure it's 6 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,400 » Worm City Council and Lehi City Council, 7 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,800 welcome. 8 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,600 I've asked um 9 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Council member Chris Kilpack if he would 10 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,600 offer a blessing on the food and an 11 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:54,550 invocation. 12 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,200 » Heavenly Father, we're mindful of our 13 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,280 blessings this day as we've met in this 14 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,360 combined council meeting 15 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,480 to deliberate over those items that will 16 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,440 bless and benefit our communities. 17 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,480 We're thankful for the opportunity to 18 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,680 serve 19 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:10,680 in ways that will lift and strengthen 20 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:14,040 citizens and those who live in our midst 21 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,280 to uh provide 22 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,040 those basic services and also 23 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,960 opportunities to 24 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,320 provide a 25 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,680 lifestyle of uh joy and happiness within 26 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,720 community and outreach. 27 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,520 We're thankful for the 28 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:29,880 food that's been prepared that might 29 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,480 provide us energy and nourishment and 30 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,240 pray that it will do so. 31 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,840 We open this time under the and ask that 32 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,720 care and keeping spirit will abide with 33 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,680 us that we might deliberate in ways that 34 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:40,960 will strengthen 35 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,640 our bonds of unity together in these 36 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,880 communities 37 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,960 and also help us to go forth and uh helped in every way to move forward 38 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,480 those important goals that we each have. 39 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,880 We ask for thy blessing in the name of 40 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,360 Jesus Christ. Amen. 41 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,080 >> Thank you, Council members. 42 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,040 What I'd like to do because 43 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,280 I'm 44 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,280 got to be refreshed with names here. If 45 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,000 we can just go around and introduce 46 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,360 ourselves and say what what brings you 47 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,320 here? 48 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,680 We'll go ahead and start right here and 49 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:12,280 just go over with 50 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,960 >> An invitation. 51 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,960 left. 52 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,480 >> Gunner Jacobson, I'm on the Lehi City 53 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Council and apparently I chose this seat 54 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,220 with just one person on this side. It's 55 00:11:21,220 --> 00:11:22,280 [clears throat] not that I'm antisocial. 56 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,040 I just have 57 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,800 >> I said I guess I'm 58 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Uh that's it. 59 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,040 >> If we 60 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,760 >> Welcome here. We're We can bring some 61 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,377 people up next to you. 62 00:11:30,377 --> 00:11:32,160 >> [laughter] 63 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,920 >> And then we have our It like Teresa's 64 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,840 busy and Teresa's our city recorder. 65 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,680 And Bradley Day is our 66 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,480 He's helping Teresa. He's Oh, I Bradley, 67 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,280 I can't remember your new title. I'm so 68 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:44,680 sorry. 69 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,160 >> I'm the sustainability officer. 70 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,880 >> Okay, thank you. 71 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,640 All right. 72 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,440 >> I'm Cole Wholey, Linden City Council. 73 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,240 I'm Kawi, the Linden City Administrator. 74 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,760 Steve Stewart, Linden City Council. 75 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,600 Van Broderick, Linden City Council. 76 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,920 Chris Kilpack, Orem City Council. 77 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,240 >> Crystal Mielsteen, Orem City Council. 78 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,200 Lenny Millet, City Council. 79 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,520 >> I'm Andy Orem City Manager. 80 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,160 >> I'm Karen McCandless, I'm Orem City 81 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,280 Treasurer. 82 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,280 >> I'm Lyn Berggren. 83 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,200 >> Thank you. Karen McCandless. 84 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,240 >> Orem City Mayor. 85 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,560 >> I'm Quinn Mecham, Orem City Council. 86 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,120 Jeff Lambson, Orem City Council. 87 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,280 >> Dan Gale, Orem City Council. 88 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,520 >> Let's Let's go ahead and catch the 89 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,200 people around the edges of the room as 90 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,200 well. 91 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,120 >> Hello, Mark. 92 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,880 >> City Engineer. 93 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,200 >> Juan Garrido, Public Works Director. 94 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,920 >> Reed Price, the Public Utilities 95 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Director. 96 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,720 >> Gary Gygi, Community Development 97 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,640 Director. 98 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,160 >> Ryan Farquhar, Orem Assistant City 99 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Manager. 100 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,040 >> BJ Robinson, Chief of Police, Orem. 101 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:54,750 >> Mike Brown, Orem City Attorney. 102 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,360 » Bryce Merrill, Community Services 103 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,920 Director, Orem. 104 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,920 >> Mike Clines, Orem City Engineer. 105 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,400 >> And you're welcome. All of you to our 106 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,920 meeting today. 107 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,160 And go ahead and get started. Um item 108 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 number 1.1, we're going to move 109 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,600 down a little bit until uh Terry Rugg, 110 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,400 our Deputy City Manager, arrives. 111 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,880 And she's running a 112 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,120 She's got another commitment, she's 113 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,760 running a little bit late. So, we're 114 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,839 going to go ahead and go to item 1.2, 115 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:25,880 which is a discussion about the renewal 116 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,480 of the fire EMS services. And so, I'm 117 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,200 going to turn the time over to our one 118 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,360 of our chief Mark Sanderson. 119 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,160 >> Here. 120 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,200 I appreciate the time and the volume you 121 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,080 guys have put together to to two-page, 122 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,320 three-page sheet here that has got some 123 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,880 bullet points 124 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,920 really 125 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,680 buying not only our relationship with 126 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,040 the services we've provided. 127 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Second, the back page of that is the 128 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,600 current 129 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,880 employee staff organization. 130 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,440 And then I've attached I've attached 131 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,200 this uh 132 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,880 sheet 133 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,120 that is in reference to NFPA 1710, which 134 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,600 is the staffing requirements of the 135 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,360 calls. 136 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,000 So, if I can just start at the top, I 137 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,480 just want to 138 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 express how grateful I am for our 139 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,080 long-term partnership. 140 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,080 Um I've been more impressed over the 141 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,480 last 6 years, specifically the last 142 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,640 three, 143 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,000 how the relationship has improved from 144 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,390 uh administrative 145 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,640 perspective. 146 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,920 The relationship, I think the 147 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,680 transparency between 148 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,760 Brendan and Adam, amazing. The level of 149 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,920 trust that we've developed 150 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,880 in the 151 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,280 last couple of years, I think is 152 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,000 significant to why we are able to 153 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,480 relationship with the company. 154 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Uh 155 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,360 our fire operations, I think one of our 156 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,520 the highlights with One of Fire is that 157 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,640 we're one of the only departments in the 158 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,040 state that actually have operating 159 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,360 manuals. How we operate our truck, how 160 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,720 we operate our engines. And then we 161 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,680 recently developed a command manual so 162 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,680 that 163 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,280 benefit we have with our people is when 164 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,560 they show up on the call, they just go 165 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,880 to work. Most fire departments pull up 166 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,920 at the emergency and stage and wait for 167 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,560 an assignment from a battalion chief or 168 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,600 first arriving captain, where we 169 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,160 created seat assignments and actual 170 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,800 manuals. And guys get off the uh 171 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,760 engines and the out of the ambulances 172 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,080 and they go right to work. Whether the 173 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,960 town chief knows what they're doing. Not 174 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,440 waiting and delaying further property 175 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,520 loss or harm to life. And so, very proud 176 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,680 of what the guys have 177 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,440 accomplished with our manuals. Our 178 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,760 critical care program, that next bullet, 179 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,960 it is the only one in the state. And a 180 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,720 lot of companies claim 181 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,080 to have critical care programs, but 182 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,760 they 183 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,440 just don't. It's all title. There's 17 184 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,560 different vari- varia- 185 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,120 variances that we have on top of all of 186 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,160 our operating medical guidelines. 187 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,040 That is through a strong partnership 188 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,080 with Dr. Vorup. He's our medical control 189 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,880 doctor in Timpanogos. 190 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,840 We run a critical care squad, which is 191 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,760 two It's basically a It's a helicopter 192 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,560 responding in a in a pickup truck 193 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,160 with helicopter-trained paramedics. And 194 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,360 so, 195 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,560 we're very proud of that. 196 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,680 They are the busiest 197 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,880 apparatus in the city. They run Lindon, 198 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Vineyard, and Orem's critical 199 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,520 care calls. 200 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,880 Chief, it's kind of like Life Flight in 201 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,400 an ambulance. 202 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,080 Some of you know my history, but I flew 203 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,160 for Life Flight. I was nurse manager at 204 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,829 Life Flight. 205 00:16:36,839 --> 00:16:39,720 The nine years I was flying 206 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,480 as a Life Flight paramedic, I was always 207 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,280 so frustrated when it was a warm warm or 208 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,200 a cold drug overdose, I couldn't take 209 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,720 care of the patients and provide the 210 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,120 level of care that I was trained to 211 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,560 provide 212 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,320 because it was 213 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,720 a flight agency versus a municipality. 214 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,640 And so, we've basically taken the whole 215 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,960 flight 216 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,560 curriculum and brought it to our 217 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,560 paramedic program. Since then, there's 218 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Well, there are a couple of registered 219 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,920 nurses. I mean, we have one of those 220 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,760 within our organization, and it just 221 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,150 gives our EMS that much more ability. 222 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,600 I think one of the biggest things I'm 223 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,040 the One of the 224 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,120 things that talked with more than 225 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,680 anybody who was just the staffing level 226 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,360 of whom I had a 227 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:23,760 fact sheet 228 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,920 that is the NFPA 1710. Orem is currently 229 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,440 staffing all of our stations with four 230 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,360 people on a fire engine and two people 231 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:33,960 on an ambulance. 232 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,760 And so I just left a conversation with 233 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,720 Vineyard that were increasing their 234 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,240 staff and they have the same questions 235 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,720 and concerns of 236 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,600 Why can't we just bump to four and not 237 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,680 go to five? And we have to go to five. 238 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,200 Why the push for six? 239 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,120 Because of those fixed costs 240 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:56,950 that 241 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,760 five or six 242 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,440 Orem or Lindon currently staffs five of our station. My request is that 243 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,320 last year a few years ago 244 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,440 Lindon 245 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,680 provided a fifth ambulance and we've 246 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,720 been staffed with conversations which 247 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,320 was huge to our operations. And then as 248 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,200 we're looking to contract, when we do 249 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,320 our contract, the ask is going to be to 250 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:24,270 move to that sixth um position 251 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,960 This right This fact sheet has some of 252 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,040 that background. Really what it does is 253 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,120 it allows us to run more than two 254 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,120 apparatus out of Lindon when it's fully 255 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:33,720 staffed. We have the option to run two 256 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,520 ambulances and the fire engine. 257 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,440 One board is a resource that we feel 258 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,040 like is 259 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,200 a fair level 260 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,480 service provided to the community 261 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,880 and so 262 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,120 part of our partnership and relationship 263 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,120 is not doing more for Orem than we'd 264 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,080 ever do for Lindon and Vineyard. 265 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,960 That comes with a staffing increase to 266 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,200 the need and so that's the ask and 267 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,480 that's the push. 268 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,120 And of course we run paramedics on our 269 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,520 ambulances 270 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,880 and that provides just a fair level of 271 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,600 the highest level outside of our 272 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,270 critical care. 273 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,990 all of our medical calls. 274 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,640 » Next bullet point, the state of the art 275 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,600 training facility. This was something 276 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,800 that 277 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,560 Or has been lacking forever and through 278 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,320 this Marine Council and continued Marine 279 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,400 Council with this 280 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,080 We were just about to cut a ribbon on 281 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,720 this facility. It's just about done. 282 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,400 You'll all get an invite. This I 283 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,400 hopefully this next month to come and 284 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,920 tour this 285 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,640 facility. It's It's several different 286 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,920 buildings 287 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,720 and it makes up every single 288 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,840 configuration that the municipal 289 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,680 department is garden style, mid-hall, 290 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,360 multiple stories into these training 291 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:53,680 facilities. We 292 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,040 actually predicted what's currently the 293 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,400 responses into landing department. 294 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,480 We can go train and mimic what we're 295 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,520 actually going to respond on versus a 296 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,960 lot of the 297 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280 common X type structures that are not 298 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,720 interchangeable. We have 16 rooms that 299 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,040 we can burn to 1,800 degrees, which is 300 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,120 real life fire. Um 301 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,240 This training facility actually puts 302 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,600 Salt Lake City and UFA's training center 303 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,080 to shame. It's really amazing what we 304 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,280 have here locally. 305 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,920 >> What I learned being 306 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,680 at Orum Fest when I was visiting with 307 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,600 you guys was that they can adjust the 308 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,240 temperature. He says 1,800 degrees they 309 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,360 can go in and 310 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,360 very specific types of fires and 311 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,960 situations. So it isn't like you just go 312 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960 in and set something on fire and 313 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,000 Oh, but best there's a lot of 314 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,320 technology. 315 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,280 >> There's a lot of thought put into this. 316 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,030 So we're super excited about it. 317 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,000 » I think the biggest 318 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,400 most beneficial thing for our taxpayer 319 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,520 constituents is just the economy of 320 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,280 scale. 321 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,840 Um everybody's costs in all three cities 322 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,320 are reduced 323 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,040 out of our ship and that's a point that 324 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,960 all can speak. 325 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,080 community that is benefiting. And the 326 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,720 one thing we have 327 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Adams, we looked to bring you on 328 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,880 contract. 329 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,120 is 330 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,040 recommend and suggest 331 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,600 It's fully the board and Logan is doing 332 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,640 it is checking with other cities. 333 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,440 Even if they're apples to apples, what 334 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,000 we provide 335 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,960 because 336 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,200 What type of services you could do it 337 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,200 cheaper. 338 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,480 It just wouldn't have the same level of 339 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,720 service. 340 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,880 Same quality of employee or operations 341 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,840 may paramedic perspective. And so 342 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,400 I 343 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,320 being the best 344 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,520 owning and having actual tangible 345 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,160 manuals, apparatus, training facilities 346 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,760 I'll put us right up there and challenge 347 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,640 any department in the state, even the 348 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,520 western United States 349 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520 um with our operations. 350 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Didn't want to say that what the 351 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,800 additional benefit to this training 352 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,280 facility is we spend 353 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,360 10, 20, we've spent $30,000 354 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,680 several years sending guys to 355 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,240 conferences. 356 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,640 They are brought back and helped us 357 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,280 develop these 358 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,640 engine and truck and command manuals. 359 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,320 We'll be able to now host these 360 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,080 conferences in this training facility 361 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,320 versus sending our people to it. 362 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,120 We have an affiliate or affiliate with 363 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,800 Fire Nuggets, which is a national 364 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,480 organization that 365 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,680 most 366 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,840 the large conferences are put on by 367 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,840 them. We'll be hosting them here. So we 368 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,320 have 369 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,560 revenue generating facility that will 370 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,880 just increase the level of expertise of 371 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800 our people. 372 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,310 Um 373 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,600 The strong relationship we have with the 374 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,640 PD, I I love Chief Brower. He's the 375 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,200 first one to send me emails on medical 376 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,000 calls, fire responses in the Lyndon. He points out the relationship with his 377 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480 officers and how our paramedic and 378 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,520 firefighters work together. And so she 379 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,880 thanks for always writing those 380 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,400 commendations. It goes a long way with 381 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520 our guys to know that relationship is so 382 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,040 strong. 383 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,800 >> And then of course we're we're currently 384 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,480 working through the dispatch. 385 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,760 All organizations are linked 386 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,760 through dispatch. And then our fire 387 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,200 contract, just one more aspect there. 388 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,120 We're trying to reduce costs for both 389 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,080 Orem and Lyndon through dispatch 390 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,960 negotiations right now. 391 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080 And there's just more power in numbers 392 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,200 and so I don't want to lose that 393 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,040 relationship. 394 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,560 And then one of the biggest things we do 395 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,120 after the range fire, which just 396 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,160 happened to be my first fire in Orem as 397 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,400 the chief, after finishing a 100-mile 398 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,440 race, I come around the mountain on the 399 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,120 Pony Express trail and saw the mountain 400 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,880 on fire and 401 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,720 I thought that's a bad fire. I prayed 402 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600 that it something different, but it 403 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,120 wasn't. And since then we have done a 404 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,080 few mitigations. We have a statewide 405 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,400 recognized wildland team that works 406 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,680 every year 407 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,840 along the East Bench, Lyndon, Orem's 408 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,320 East Bench, 409 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 phragmites down in Vineyard. We're doing 410 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,280 a ton of required work. 411 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,400 We over We always exceed the small 412 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,800 dollar amount mitigation what the state 413 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 requires above and beyond just to make 414 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,920 sure that all our communities are 415 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,640 protected. 416 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,760 So with that, do you have specific 417 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,720 questions I'm happy to Did you address? 418 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,640 I don't know. 419 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,400 Do you have any Do you have any 420 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,430 questions? 421 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,750 Okay. 422 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,200 » Yes, so you mentioned I feel Orem and 423 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,440 Lyndon 424 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,720 are a great It's kind of going to be a 425 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,920 scale or trifecta, I like to call it. 426 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Um 427 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560 have other communities ever asked or 428 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,400 would you anticipate them 429 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,200 asking for you to provide services and 430 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800 would you share it or do you 431 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,880 consider the area you cover now 432 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,920 your ideal? 433 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,480 >> Yeah. 434 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,600 >> I think you should always be open to 435 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,200 providing a higher level service 436 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,440 communities at a reduced cost to the 437 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,240 taxpayer. Or 438 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,160 and I think that I mean we haven't had a 439 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,840 discussion but there's lots of rumors 440 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,200 right now because they just hired three 441 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,480 paramedics from Pleasant Grove. 442 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,240 So of course there's some talk that City 443 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,120 of Pleasant Grove which there hasn't 444 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:41,720 been any conversation about that. Um 445 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,360 or numbers provided but I feel like 446 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:48,600 contractual basis or relationship basis 447 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,040 would make sense. 448 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,120 I live in Pleasant Grove and I wished 449 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,000 my wife would move to Lehi or because of 450 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,080 level of service we get here or Lindon 451 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,280 or Vineyard. 452 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,040 She just can't get her to move. 453 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,360 >> Right. 454 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,480 >> So I'm hoping I'm hoping over the next 455 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000 few years especially make a huge 456 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,680 step 457 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,320 and just step up and get 458 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520 >> Pleasant Grove might 459 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,400 >> Well 460 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,040 >> there's been conversations. I don't know 461 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,120 how 462 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:15,160 I was just curious. 463 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,680 >> Well I think the benefits we all 464 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,830 recognize 465 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,120 value and economy of scale 466 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,720 level service. 467 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,960 So 468 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880 I don't think I don't want to put words 469 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,840 in your mouth Brenda but would be open 470 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,120 to entertain anything that's nice. 471 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,560 At least a higher level service. 472 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,080 >> Not speaking for Pleasant Grove just 473 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,680 saying 474 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,360 >> I understand. 475 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,190 >> a couple conversations about questions. 476 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,520 » We just emphasize that 477 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,200 whatever we do we wouldn't want any 478 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,000 single city 479 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960 to be subsidized by the others or we 480 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,520 feel 481 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,840 perception of subsidized. So Chief said, 482 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,440 um, 483 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,480 "You'd have to be willing to 484 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,680 want to come up to our 485 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,720 service that we provide. 486 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960 And then, also we're 487 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,760 not interested in in service provider 488 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480 and customer relationships. We're 489 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440 interested in partnerships. 490 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240 Chief talked about 3 years ago, 491 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,000 we wanted to proactively show our desire 492 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,680 for partnership. 493 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Uh, and level footing partnership by 494 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,400 adding the names of Vineyard and Linder 495 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,440 to our badge and to all of our uniforms and 496 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,360 trucks and ambulances and stuff. And And 497 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,080 now, it's not just for show. That's 498 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,400 to true partnership. 499 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,440 Have it be 500 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,360 We wanted to come across genuine. 501 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,550 We want to be the best together. 502 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,560 » When Councilwoman 503 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,480 >> Well, I was just going to just 504 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,960 an example of your level of service. I 505 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,520 had a friend who had a widowmaker heart 506 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,440 and your guys were there in 2 minutes 507 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,040 and saved his life. 508 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 So, that's the level of service. That's 509 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,160 the reward. That's the saving of the 510 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,160 lives and the and the ability that these 511 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,760 men have, all the training, all that 512 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,160 they go through 513 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,280 to be there in that moment to make that 514 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,320 difference for that family. And we have 515 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,760 stories, you know, people come before 516 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920 this City Council, lots of different 517 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560 experiences like that. And I am so 518 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,560 amazed. You're watching the TV show, 519 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,040 right? But this is real life. This is 520 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480 not a TV show. And you guys are at that 521 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,400 level. So, I just wanted to kind of, 522 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,360 you know, mention that and say when we 523 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,320 talk about supporting our police and our 524 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,040 fire and the costs, personnel costs, 525 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,000 they are worth every dime, my opinion, 526 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,680 because of the the lives that you save 527 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,720 and the influence you have on our 528 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,240 community and Vineyard. 529 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,040 >> It's true. 530 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,080 And 531 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,440 a single 532 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,400 and then that engine [clears throat] who 533 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,520 have one station in 534 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,600 beauty as soon as that station is out 535 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160 without an increased level of staff. You 536 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,080 wouldn't need to take them all. Take 537 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,040 four of six 538 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040 and leave an ambulance behind cuz 539 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,560 statistically 75% of our calls are EMS. 540 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,120 Makes sense to have 541 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,710 ambulance readily 542 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400 and then the same level of service when 543 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,080 that London station is busy. The forums 544 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160 coming in to back that a call versus 545 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,240 Pleasant Grove who doesn't provide a 546 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720 critical care paramedic program same 547 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,600 level 548 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,200 insurance so 549 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,920 each time we 550 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,720 all on the same page with the levels of 551 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,560 service we provide, I think it's 552 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,960 wise to between wise. 553 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,200 >> I think you see and appreciate 554 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520 Councilman Millett's comment cuz 555 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Chief and I maybe get a little bit too 556 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,560 bureaucratic talking about level of 557 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280 service delivery. It really 558 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,440 genuinely is about saving lives. Bring 559 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,280 that 560 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,720 >> We significantly reduced the property 561 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,120 damage because of our response and our 562 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,800 aggressive fire fighting and engine and 563 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,240 truck engines. The guys just go to work. 564 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Every minute the size of the fire 565 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,200 doubles 566 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:05,855 and 567 00:30:05,855 --> 00:30:06,480 >> [clears throat] 568 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,440 >> it doesn't take long to fully engulf an 569 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,640 entire house 6 570 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240 and 12 minutes and burn the whole thing 571 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,320 down and 572 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,280 we are historically at least the last 573 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880 two years we're having most fires out in 574 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,520 that frame is where operations. Very seldom are we 575 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 ever on scene of a structure fire over 576 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,760 60 minutes and that's from start to 577 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,720 finish clean up 578 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,360 back in service. 579 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200 There's a lot of jurisdictions that 580 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400 spend hours on it. 581 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Single story residential fires. 582 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,120 >> Which as of you once again finish this 583 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,240 you know, shout out. As of your level of 584 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,840 service, we are just so close to getting 585 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400 a designation that allows each of our 586 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560 property owners to get a discount on 587 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,360 their insurance on their homes. We're 588 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,320 just this close to getting that. So, 589 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,240 >> Yeah, an ISO rating that's higher, well, 590 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560 we're actually um it's all involved. The 591 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,160 lower the score, the better. 592 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,240 Um 593 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,840 I I always have hesitated to talk ISO 594 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,480 when it comes to insurance 595 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,840 because 596 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,520 it could reduce your insurance. And it 597 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,200 does anywhere from 6 to 12%. 598 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640 On a home or or a business. 599 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,160 But it all depends on the individual 600 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,360 insurance company. They all use a 601 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880 different But if we have if we secure 602 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,360 the numbers, I think it's one of those 603 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640 major components. Training facility is 604 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,960 another component. The locations of 605 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,800 departments or of stations 606 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080 makes a difference. 607 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,680 We will reduce our ISO rating 608 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,240 next evaluation by at least two numbers. 609 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,920 I don't know if the the value to go to a 610 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,720 level one ISO rating, which is Salt Lake 611 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,160 City, 612 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,320 couple of them departments in the state, 613 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,720 very few. 614 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,480 Um 615 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,160 I don't know if the dollar's worth 616 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,600 getting there is worth the return on 617 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,880 investment. 618 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,520 Uh that's what we're reviewing right now. 619 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,200 To go to a two, 620 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,680 there should be no reason why we can't 621 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,720 be an ISO rating two. It's really 622 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,360 impressive. 623 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760 Thanks for bringing that up, Bonnie. 624 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080 >> Let me just bear in mind, council 625 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,760 members, I want to express the staff 626 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,440 here um my appreciation for the trust 627 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,720 you have in us as Orem. As I know I know 628 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,120 that you care very deeply about your 629 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,240 community and you trust in the trust you 630 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,560 have for Orem in Orem to help provide 631 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,320 these crucial services to to your 632 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,640 residents as well. And so, we're 633 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,200 grateful very grateful for the 634 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,320 partnership that we have with you. So, 635 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880 I just want to express my appreciation. 636 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360 If there's not anything else, um Cherry 637 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,680 has arrived and so we'll go back to item 638 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,800 1.1, a discussion about dispatch 639 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,720 provider overview. So, I'll turn that 640 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360 over to Adam Cowie and Cherry Orchard. 641 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,360 >> You think the lead out? 642 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160 >> Yes. 643 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280 >> Um so, 644 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,360 currently we are cities jointly contract 645 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,680 with 646 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160 Provo City through the Metro Emergency 647 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Communications there in the dispatch 648 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,520 center. 649 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Um 650 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,280 and 651 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040 recently the the cities 652 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,520 were 653 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680 delivered a notice of a significant 654 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560 increase in fees 655 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,960 and 656 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,560 so, we started looking at some 657 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880 alternative options just to see what was 658 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,600 available. 659 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,160 That's 660 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,240 a joint 661 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,400 Central 911, 662 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,760 which is a a central regional provider 663 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,040 of dispatch services for all of Utah and 664 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,440 Juab and San Martin. 665 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120 It serves about 29 other cities. 666 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,120 Um some of the things that we've got as 667 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,000 we're 668 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120 through this process 669 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,480 of evaluating options 670 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,150 at a high level at least 671 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,080 is certainly costs, 672 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,480 um but also partnership 673 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280 is is a big issue. 674 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,080 We've had this 675 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,160 prior discussion about our partnership 676 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,640 between the cities that's something that 677 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880 we're hoping for as we 678 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,240 uh look at these dispatch services that we have a seat at the table 679 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:11,520 as a voice in that in our 680 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,800 interlocal 681 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,600 dispatch and so, 682 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,159 we have a follow-up meeting actually 683 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,800 tomorrow with Provo City that we'll be 684 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600 discussing more of this with them. 685 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,120 Um 686 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,560 some some other issues there. Um 687 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,320 It it looks like right now if we were to 688 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,120 make a shift to Central, 689 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,639 it didn't would save both cities 690 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,679 financially. We would 691 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,360 uh several hundred thousands per year. 692 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,720 And so, 693 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,600 uh that's a big decision that we would 694 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,520 flush out further and then bring to the 695 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,679 sort of final decision. 696 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:51,600 And what's the only thing that 697 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,240 >> Yeah, the only thing that I would add is 698 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:57,000 that when uh we decided to merge with 699 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,520 Provo at the time, we uh entered into an 700 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480 agreement in 2022 to become an inter to 701 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,680 work toward an interlocal agreement 702 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000 where we would have equal power as a 703 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,480 board and that the dispatch employees 704 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,240 would would be employees of Metro 705 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,360 Dispatch. Um during that time, there was 706 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,840 a lot of turnover between Orem and Provo 707 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520 administrations, so that was lost in 708 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960 translation. And Provo 709 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,560 uh 710 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,440 you know, has said they're not 711 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,800 interested in an interlocal. They can 712 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,800 leave with us tomorrow and then I'll 713 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,000 uh see whether or not they are more 714 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,360 inclined to go in that direction, but I 715 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,720 am not really confident that we will be 716 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,800 moving that way. So, 717 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,240 um 718 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,240 not having the ability and the control 719 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,520 over necessary items is is there for us. 720 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,240 If we continue down this path, we are 721 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,520 more of a customer of Provo rather than 722 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,190 equal partners. And that is our concern. 723 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,000 All right. 724 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000 can I just add one point on dispatch? 725 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,160 >> Sure. Um 726 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,560 >> And then Quinn. 727 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,920 >> Yeah, I had the conversation with that 728 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,680 and then it's regarding could Linden go 729 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920 to Central to save the money if we were 730 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,240 to stay. And we're so tied in with our 731 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,160 fire contract, it'll be impossible to 732 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,400 dispatch the same fire department out of 733 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,640 two systems. And so, feel like that's 734 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680 why this relationship is so important 735 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,320 and we're all on the same page to reduce 736 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,680 the overall cost for our taxpayers, but also receive the level of dispatch 737 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,160 service that 738 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,120 you 739 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,120 think should be part of it. So, the 740 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,760 relationship is strong just because of 741 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,080 that need with a split of East Fork Fire 742 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,870 and Lehi. 743 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,440 » Um that's Adam and Carrie. I have just a 744 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,920 couple of follow-up questions. 745 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,400 Um one, what what's on the agenda 746 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,000 meeting with Provo? 747 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,960 Um and what what does a successful 748 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,160 meeting look like? 749 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,360 Uh two, what have they said in terms of 750 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,960 justification for the significant fee 751 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,240 increase? And I guess third, 752 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,240 uh 753 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,000 what are the implications for being 754 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,400 treated like a customer rather than a 755 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,960 partner? And um how does that impact us 756 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,000 negatively? 757 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,120 >> Three minutes starting 758 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,280 >> Okay. All right. Starting with number 759 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,080 one, remind [clears throat] me what that 760 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,440 is. 761 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,440 >> Agenda tomorrow. 762 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,200 >> The agenda tomorrow. Tomorrow, it is 763 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,600 just a um ad hoc meeting with the with 764 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,880 the board to discuss uh we asked Provo 765 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,160 to come back with any other kind of 766 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,760 recommendations that they would have to 767 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,840 continue the partnership. 768 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920 Um and so we're waiting to hear from 769 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,360 them. They know where we stand. Uh they 770 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,720 would prefer that we're just a customer. 771 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,960 Uh the biggest issue we see in that is 772 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,960 that 773 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120 they get to control the entire budget. 774 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,920 They get to control how many channels we 775 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,920 have. Right now, Mark was on the 776 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080 fire channel, and it was in their 777 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,080 budgetary process, but was cut, and we 778 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,640 didn't have any say 779 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,360 in their budget process whether or not 780 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,080 we got that extra channel. Um we don't 781 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,640 get to control how much they pay their 782 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960 staff or what kind of policies they have 783 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,720 in place to manage their staff. So, 784 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,120 those are some of the biggest issues 785 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,080 that we have. The reason why they came 786 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680 back to us with a big increase is that 787 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,840 they 788 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,040 uh said that they weren't charging us 789 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,640 correctly for their administrative 790 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,840 overhead. 791 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360 So, and Brandon, maybe you can give a 792 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,120 little more insight to that, but it was 793 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,240 like IT expenses, HR, 794 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,310 some [clears throat] 795 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,920 equipment expenses that they hadn't 796 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120 accounted for previously. 797 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,000 Do you have anything to add to that, 798 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,520 Brandon? 799 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,950 >> I mean, it was primarily IT-related. 800 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,680 » Um and at the time, sorry, and at the 801 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,840 time when they brought that to us, I 802 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920 said, "This is a big, significant 803 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,000 increase. Are we still moving towards an 804 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,200 interlocal?" Because that was our 805 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200 understanding. And I'm okay with one 806 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,640 year with an 807 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600 increase if we're still moving towards 808 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,160 an interlocal because then we would have 809 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560 greater control later. And I said, "Is 810 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360 there any way that we can 811 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,040 prorate this for this first year?" 812 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,680 Because it was a mid-year adjustment 813 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,960 that we didn't budget for. And um there 814 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,800 was not really much of an interest on 815 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,640 their side 816 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,190 to make that 817 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,120 I would say though, when we did meet in 818 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,800 our last meeting, 819 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,560 um 820 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,080 the mayor of Provo was very, very kind, 821 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,840 understood the situation that we were 822 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,920 in. Neither cities wanted to disrupt any 823 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,760 positive momentum we have with our 824 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,280 neighboring city. Um and we we all 825 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,600 understood that this was just a 826 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,400 financial decision for us. 827 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,440 >> So, if you move to Central, would we 828 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,800 have more of an interlocal partnership? 829 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,240 And say on the budget, what would that 830 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:40,920 look like? 831 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,120 >> Yes, so if we do move to Central, we 832 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,200 um I was probable that we'd give them a 833 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,400 response at date. So, our intent would 834 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,880 be unless we can move towards an 835 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,920 interlocal extended sunset date would be 836 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,310 June 30th of 2027, and we would move 837 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,560 And you would have a say on the budget. 838 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,160 Every city that is part of Central is on 839 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480 the managing board. All the employees of 840 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,390 Central 841 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,790 So, but have say. 842 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640 » So, assuming this is is a just a general 843 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,280 assumption, but assuming that the 844 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,600 effectiveness of coverage 845 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,160 uh 846 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,080 timing of 847 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,720 response, that all of that would still 848 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,720 be at the same level that it is 849 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,800 currently or possibly better 850 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,240 than where we're at now. 851 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,560 >> Yeah, I would I would defer to the 852 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,800 chiefs. They They have more experience 853 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,480 with Central. 854 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,800 >> I can I can just 855 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,560 I would be happy to go to 856 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,040 the whole circus that we're 857 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,360 anticipating. 858 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,800 >> Same question. 859 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400 >> I'll just I'll just add 860 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,520 there 861 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,800 uh we've learned that some of the 862 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,360 dispatchers that used to be Warm 863 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,040 dispatchers are now at Central. 864 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,840 >> Yes, nine of the dispatchers Oh, sorry, 865 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,120 Brian. Nine of the dispatchers, 866 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,920 including their dispatch managers, 867 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,400 >> their over dispatch 868 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,720 >> are former Warm ProQA dispatchers. 869 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:08,520 >> I mean 870 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,000 >> Warm. 871 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,960 >> Can I just add that Central dispatch 872 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,120 uses um 873 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680 ProQA, which is a 874 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,840 national system, a verified system to 875 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200 dispatch medical and fire units. 876 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,640 Standard questions that are utilized in 877 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,760 ProQA, which is a different version of 878 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,338 that that 879 00:41:30,338 --> 00:41:30,440 >> [clears throat] 880 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,320 >> doesn't doesn't reach the same level of 881 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,520 expectation as we had 882 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,240 >> on Warm dispatchers when we had our Warm 883 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,000 dispatch centers. 884 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560 >> And because it's a system that's half 885 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,760 the cost 886 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,200 and 887 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,160 it's it's not providing the level of 888 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,830 service for EMS and fire that we need. 889 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,960 » Having been familiar with the 911 890 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,680 centers and the EOCs around the state, 891 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,640 and having affiliated with installed all 892 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640 of the EOC 911 dispatch centers 893 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,960 throughout the state, 894 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,440 um Central, very familiar with also 895 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840 ProQA when they went in Marion. Um 896 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,240 they're probably Central's one of the 897 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,520 highest 898 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,200 um 899 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080 as far as what they do to maintain their 900 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,080 um 901 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,760 serviceability and interactions with 902 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,200 their local agencies. 903 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,240 They're probably a better tier above 904 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,280 what we're currently getting. 905 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800 Kind of it's cheaper. I know just from 906 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,600 my personal experience being in their 907 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,640 dispatch centers helping our teams 908 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,600 install a lot of that. I mean, anyway. 909 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,390 >> I have a question. 910 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,520 Oh, wait. But you were raising your 911 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,680 water bottle. Okay. 912 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,560 >> I'm just kidding. 913 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,480 >> I'll defer to that one. 914 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,400 Two questions. 915 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,760 If I'm remembering when we did this, 916 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,560 Provo had just opened their city hall. 917 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,640 They had their new facility. Did we add 918 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560 any infrastructure to that facility? 919 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,160 >> We did pay some capital costs. Brandon, 920 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,200 do you remember there 921 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,280 >> for the equipment. 922 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,800 >> And is it 923 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,200 they're recognizing that or we is the 924 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,440 I thought that was part of our inner 925 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,920 local. I understand you're saying that 926 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,800 it didn't turn out as we had 927 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,440 >> We also We did get them some equip some 928 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,280 dispatch equipment as well, some 929 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,920 stations. 930 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,080 So we did buy into the center somewhat. 931 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,280 >> Some of them. 932 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,600 >> They were really unaware of the 933 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,400 agreement until our 934 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,920 to for the most part until our last 935 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,400 meeting and so I think that they wanted 936 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,640 to go back and review everything. Where 937 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,960 they came back to us tomorrow. 938 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,600 >> My next question is kind of a silly one, 939 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,560 but it was a big deal and it was 940 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,280 you know, our dispatchers that we had in 941 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,000 Orem when they would call 942 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120 for whatever it was, there would be some 943 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,520 service that would 944 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,720 big example would be for Jeff's probably 945 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,400 who was on the council back then was the 946 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,800 dog issue at Nelson's Grove. 947 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,880 That was a big issue for the neighbors 948 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,720 in that area and we had to kind of train 949 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,120 the Provo dispatch to say that two have 950 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,840 a different culture, you know, to be a 951 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,440 culture of service. 952 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,680 See when our residents called. And 953 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,800 understanding of course that our our 954 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,840 animal control was that was after 5:00 955 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,440 they weren't necessarily there, but then 956 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640 our police would be so happy to help if 957 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,400 they weren't doing other more important 958 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,640 things. But, um my question is in the 959 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,600 central, do we will we have that same 960 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,960 control over cultural training 961 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,280 the dispatchers there? 962 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,520 >> That's a great question, and that's 963 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,800 something we haven't discussed with with 964 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,240 uh central, so I don't want to over 965 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,600 promise. 966 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,720 But, I know that they were very excited 967 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,520 to have us on board. Um we would be the 968 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,280 biggest agency part of central, and so 969 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520 um I do think that we have some power 970 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,520 being 971 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,600 create that culture. And again, their 972 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,800 dispatch manager is our former manager 973 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,480 over dispatch here. So, 974 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,040 >> He was our 975 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,680 >> one ask that I would put out there cuz 976 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480 there was an incident just uh 2 3 weeks 977 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,320 ago where in uh someone had called the 978 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,440 dispatch about one of our sprinklers 979 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680 that was it was a weekend and it was 980 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,280 watering the pavement and broken had been already going for 12 hours and 981 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,520 they this was on a Friday Saturday 982 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,480 night, something like that. And they 983 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,960 were told to wait till Monday. And 984 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,720 something like that we would really want 985 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,680 passed on to our public works cuz we're 986 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,440 so responsive when we know about it. So, 987 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,960 I would kind of like to have those types 988 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,360 of issues 989 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,240 part of this agreement if we can figure 990 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,720 out how to route some of those 991 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,400 non-emergency issues 992 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,760 um so they can be taken care of 993 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,120 24/7 or, you know, maybe not 24/7, but 994 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,320 you know what I'm saying. 995 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,480 Responsive. 996 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,720 >> I I've added that to the list, and then 997 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,480 when we go into the negotiation for our 998 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,830 brief, we'll make sure that 999 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,520 » I I think just to be fair to Aaron and 1000 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560 Becky who work in the dispatch center, 1001 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,800 they're very supportive and very 1002 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,160 responsive. Just like B.J. and I, 1003 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,120 they 1004 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,960 work 1005 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,400 in the administration. And so, a lot of 1006 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,360 things we ask for, 1007 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,720 they could and would be willing to do, 1008 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,520 but they can't because of 1009 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,600 leadership. And so, it's not necessarily 1010 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,840 the managers of the special service 1011 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,880 themselves. 1012 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,320 It's just the the system. 1013 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920 They've been They've been very happy to 1014 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,320 allow us to work with them. 1015 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,040 >> I think this I think to summarize our intent in this is seeing this as an 1016 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,880 opportunity for good, better, best. 1017 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160 When we did dispatch in Orm, I think it 1018 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,400 was good. I think we've done things 1019 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,600 better with Provo, but we have an 1020 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,960 opportunity here to get 1021 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,560 the best, uh to have an even higher 1022 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,120 level of service at a less expensive 1023 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,120 cost. 1024 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600 I think I think we have a good enough 1025 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,240 relationship with Provo to go about this 1026 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,880 in a way where it won't harm the 1027 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,600 relationship with them and that there 1028 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,840 will be other ways to partner and interact and work 1029 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,200 together 1030 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:05,920 as well. So, far, we're really optimistic. Um one example to Council Member Quinn 1031 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,080 Meekam's point uh about uh cost and how we might save. Um 1032 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,840 uh 1033 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,840 in our partnership with Linden for fire 1034 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160 and EMS, we look at the difference every 1035 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,000 year between what we budget versus what 1036 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,520 our actual expenses come in. 1037 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,200 And and there's there's always a 1038 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,920 difference there, right? And we look at 1039 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,000 that and then we provide a credit on the 1040 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,000 difference the following 1041 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,240 Well, 1042 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,800 so that's the difference between 1043 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,560 customer and partnership, right? And 1044 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,360 um 1045 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,120 we haven't heard interest in Provo to to 1046 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,000 provide that same kind of level of 1047 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,400 partnership that uh we think Central 1048 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,150 would be willing to consider. 1049 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,360 » Do you know how many cities are on 1050 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,560 Central right now? I mean, and and does 1051 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:57,920 each 1052 00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,840 >> 29 people. 1053 00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,200 >> Does 1054 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,640 >> each city have one more member 1055 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,520 regardless of their size? 1056 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,520 Interesting. 1057 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,520 >> Yes. 1058 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,840 >> So, Orem would get one more member. Lehi 1059 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,880 would get one more 1060 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,920 member. 1061 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,203 Okay. 1062 00:48:11,203 --> 00:48:12,360 >> [clears throat] 1063 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200 >> Right, any other questions? 1064 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,520 Right. Thank you. And I will turn it 1065 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,200 over 1066 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,000 We'll go to item 1.3, our wastewater 1067 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,720 Excuse me, wastewater treatment facility 1068 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,560 upgrades and future costs. I'll turn the 1069 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,120 time over to 1070 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,640 our public utilities director, Reed 1071 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:57,230 Price. 1072 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,200 » Okay, to continue our 1073 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,080 the common theme of partnerships, uh 1074 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,120 we are partners in our the Orem Water 1075 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,920 Reclamation Facility. 1076 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,000 Um Orem treats 1077 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,360 uh 100% of Lehi's flow. 1078 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,400 Um we get about 9 million gallons per 1079 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,520 day that comes through our facility, and 1080 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,200 portion of that 1081 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,040 about 13% of it is is Lehi's. 1082 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,219 Um 1083 00:49:25,219 --> 00:49:25,520 >> [clears throat] 1084 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,080 >> and uh we we produce an excellent water 1085 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,320 quality 1086 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,720 uh through our treatment process. 1087 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,760 Uh our flow goes through Powell's Slough 1088 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160 and eventually makes its way to to Utah 1089 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,160 Lake. 1090 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,200 Uh many of you were involved [snorts] in 1091 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,000 the ribbon cutting that we had down 1092 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,840 there for the tertiary treatment plant 1093 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,400 where we 1094 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,840 remove phosphorus from the waste stream 1095 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,840 as directed by the 1096 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,200 um 1097 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,040 by the state of the state of Utah. 1098 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,880 Um the reason [clears throat] I'm here 1099 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,640 is to talk about our capital facilities 1100 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,400 plan. Uh we completed a 1101 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,120 uh review of all of the assets and 1102 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,640 equipment that we have in our water 1103 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,600 reclamation facility. 1104 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,720 Uh started uh early 2020 2021 and 1105 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,320 finalized it in 2022. 1106 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,320 Um and 1107 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,280 the 1108 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280 reason we did that or the results of 1109 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,160 that, to to quote from it, 1110 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,640 uh 1111 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,080 it's very engineering speak, so um it 1112 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,840 these projects are driven by aging 1113 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,000 equipment and facilities, failure of 1114 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,360 older structures to meet current 1115 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,480 building and safety code requirements, 1116 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,240 inadequate process performance with 1117 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,640 respect to permitted effluent 1118 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,720 requirements, classification of 1119 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,600 biosolids for land application. 1120 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,000 So, 1121 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,440 uh as partners, we get to uh make sure 1122 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,600 that we address these in a in a timely 1123 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,360 fashion. Because this is a facility that 1124 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,630 we don't want 1125 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,920 uh 1126 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,960 This facilities plan again was uh 1127 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,080 completed in 2022. Orem incorporated it 1128 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,920 into their sewer master plan, which 1129 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,400 looked at the collection system 1130 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,640 uh in 2025. 1131 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,600 Uh it is a 20-year plan and it goes over 1132 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,360 four it's uh set of four phases. 2022 1133 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,960 was at $160 million. Uh 1134 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,040 a little Now we've looked at it closer, 1135 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,800 see that phase one um 1136 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,160 was originally expected to cost $58 1137 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,160 million 1138 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,200 and 1139 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,480 current estimates put it at about 88.8 1140 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,080 million dollars. This is largely due to 1141 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,440 inflationary uh 1142 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,280 pressures that we've experienced over 1143 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,720 the years. It's also some shuffling of 1144 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,960 projects where we bumped a phase two up 1145 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,240 and one down. So, it's it's not a true 1146 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,560 apples-to-apples comparison, however, it 1147 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,200 does give you good idea that yeah, these 1148 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,800 costs 1149 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,120 expensive to make the improvements that 1150 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,320 are needed at 1151 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,800 this facility. 1152 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,600 Phase one, this is what we're looking at 1153 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,400 in the next 5 years. 1154 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,320 Um you can see that we've got 10 1155 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,800 projects that are prioritized here. 1156 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,280 Uh and they total the construction cost 1157 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,120 is as uh 1158 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,000 the estimate is 88.8 million. We've got 1159 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,240 another $6.6 million in engineering fees 1160 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,440 uh that we will need to pay totaling 1161 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,240 95.4 1162 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,400 million dollars in the next 5 years. 1163 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,000 >> Can I ask a question on that? How much 1164 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,160 of that is re 1165 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,960 is of government of the federal 1166 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,960 regulation? 1167 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,680 >> There there there's a there's a portion 1168 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,800 of it. If I was to guess 1169 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,440 uh 1170 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,520 I I would put it at 1171 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,680 25 to 30%. Um we have an old older 1172 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,120 facility. Yes. 1173 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,120 Um and there are improvements that are that are needed. 1174 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,440 So, that's that's just a guess though. 1175 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,680 >> Thank you. 1176 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,320 >> It's We like to blame regulations and it 1177 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,880 that is a reason for many of it, but 1178 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,200 it's just like our cars get old point 1179 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,080 it needs some significant change. 1180 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,520 >> Thank you. 1181 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,800 >> So, the cost of distribution for this 1182 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,440 and looking at the overall cost 1183 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,160 including engineering, 1184 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,800 um contractually we have uh we have an 1185 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,000 agreement. Our partnership establishes a cost share. Uh Bren mentioned that at 1186 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,920 the end of the year we you go through a 1187 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,120 reconciliation of other services that we 1188 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,880 are partners in. We do the same thing 1189 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,000 here. We just split the cost to run the 1190 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,280 facility with you, with Lyndon, and also 1191 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,760 with with Vineyard. Orem's portion is 1192 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,280 85.68%, 1193 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,400 Lyndon's 12.24, and Vineyard's 2.08. So, 1194 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440 the price tag, the expected price tag 1195 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,160 for Orem is 81.8 million. 1196 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880 Uh Lyndon will need to pay 11.7 and 1197 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,560 Vineyard almost 2 million of that price 1198 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,480 tag. 1199 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,960 How do we pay for that? Well, 1200 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,080 forum, uh, our plan is we need to 1201 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,840 finance it. We don't Believe it or not, 1202 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,360 we don't have 80 million dollars sitting 1203 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,960 in the bank. Um, we have been increasing 1204 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,760 rates slowly over the past 3 years 1205 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,360 uh, to to help pay for this and to help 1206 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,720 pay for 1207 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:11,040 a payment towards uh, financing that we 1208 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,320 will that we will have. So, we will be 1209 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,400 using a combination of financing and 1210 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,160 savings that we have on hand, fund 1211 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,960 balance, um, and savings 1212 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,680 based on these rate increases that we 1213 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,360 have uh, put in place over the past 2 1214 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,560 years. 1215 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,000 For Lyndon, you guys get to make this 1216 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,400 decision. As we've talked with 1217 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,640 uh, with Adam and Juan uh, in the past, 1218 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,360 uh, 1219 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,600 options are that you can um, you can pay 1220 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,760 up front. 1221 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,600 You did this for the tertiary treatment 1222 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,760 plant. 1223 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,520 Uh, tertiary treatment process. He said, 1224 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,720 "What if how much is it going to cost?" 1225 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,720 It was a 21 million dollars and so we 1226 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,200 gave you a bill for 12. Whatever that 1227 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,560 percentage was, 12.28% 1228 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,640 and that was paid paid in full. 1229 00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,400 >> That's the water of the tertiary plant, 1230 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,880 the water reuse. 1231 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,480 >> Water reuse and phosphorus reuse. 1232 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,880 Um, 1233 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,200 and so this is a much larger price tag. 1234 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,400 I I doubt Adam has not said, "Oh, don't 1235 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,280 worry, we can cover that." So, 1236 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,230 um, 1237 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:17,800 » It's on the cards. 1238 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,630 >> I wish you would, Adam. 1239 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,000 » So, uh, 1240 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960 another another thing that you could do 1241 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,880 is is to finance. 1242 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,080 And you could go out on your own and uh, 1243 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,200 get a bond and then make payments to us 1244 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,520 as the projects proceed. 1245 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,000 This is I don't think that's a very 1246 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,840 uh, efficient way to do things. Um Adam 1247 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,160 has approached us. Is there a way that 1248 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,360 we could just join in this bond and make 1249 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:50,320 payments to Orem and have agreed that would be acceptable um to uh just 1250 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,440 make payments on any financing that we 1251 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,800 receive. This was the model that was 1252 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,760 undertaken in 2012 uh when we had an 1253 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,160 expansion. Lyndon currently makes an 1254 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,560 annual payment to us to pay off uh a a a 1255 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,480 uh 1256 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,360 a a a loan that we received uh through 1257 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,400 the the uh through the state of Utah. 1258 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,000 Um 1259 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000 >> Um I agree. Not only would it be 1260 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,400 inefficient, but Orem has had a triple 1261 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,080 ability to fund 1262 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840 bond rating, and so 1263 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,600 um 1264 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,680 we can't get any better than that, and 1265 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,920 we can't get better interest rates than 1266 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,280 >> Good point. Uh and then the last uh So, 1267 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480 we're bonding, you could pay for your 1268 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,960 portion of that bond. We're also paying 1269 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,680 with cash on hand that we have. You 1270 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,880 could pay us back for uh what we've 1271 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,080 saved. Basically, essentially have the 1272 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,480 Bank of Orem, where you would uh pay 1273 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,040 Orem back for their initial investment 1274 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,920 into this. So, those are those are what 1275 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,240 we have dreamed up. Uh the whole purpose 1276 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,520 of this discussion is is to make you 1277 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,840 aware that our wastewater treatment 1278 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,240 plant is aging. Uh there are federal 1279 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,120 regulations. We're partners, and there 1280 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,400 is a significant price uh significant 1281 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,560 price tag coming as these projects 1282 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,400 begin. Uh we are we have about uh 40 1283 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,200 million dollar 40 five uh about half of 1284 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,320 it already designed, ready to go. Um 1285 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,320 we're just waiting to pull the trigger 1286 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:34,400 on financing. Um and so this is starting 1287 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,680 this year. 1288 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,640 >> Good questions. 1289 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,960 So, I do. With this infrastructure, 1290 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080 we're obviously building capacity for 1291 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,800 all of our 1292 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,960 projected build-out, correct? 1293 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,840 >> Actually, we already have the capacity that the facility needs, when you're 1294 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,520 speaking hydraulic hydraulically 1295 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,040 speaking. So, we can treat up to 15 1296 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,920 million gallons per day. 1297 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,920 Um, and we currently have received about 1298 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,360 nine. So, the tanks that we have, the 1299 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,120 processes that we have, are sized for 1300 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,880 build-out. But, there are other re- 1301 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760 It's largely replacement and 1302 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,800 uh 1303 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,360 regulations. 1304 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,680 >> So, another question I have is the life 1305 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,560 of this infrastructure. Is it 50 years 1306 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,400 that you're investing in? 1307 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,680 >> Yeah, so, 1308 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,440 uh some of the um major improvements 1309 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,080 that we're doing 1310 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,880 um 1311 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,480 uh 1312 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,240 were constructed in the uh in the '80s. 1313 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,200 Um, we're not replacing them, we're 1314 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,200 re-outfitting them. So, yeah, 1315 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,480 most of the improvements that we're 1316 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,200 doing are going to be 50-year 1317 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,600 plus improvements. 1318 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,840 >> So, quick question. I noticed there's a 1319 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,600 you know, vineyards. Right now, you're 1320 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,560 basing it off of 1321 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,960 accounts served or are you basing it off 1322 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280 of gallons coming into the system? 1323 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,280 >> Uh when you determine Linden's build-out 1324 00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:58,880 figured 1325 00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,840 >> My 1326 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,320 Adam might be 1327 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,160 weigh in if if you think I'm 1328 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,640 misspelling. 1329 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,560 Uh my understanding is that 1330 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,240 um 1331 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440 that build-out conditions were 1332 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,480 >> I mean, there's there's a huge 1333 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,200 disparity. I mean, Linden's build-out is 1334 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,720 maybe 17,000 population. We're going to 1335 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,240 be there, you know, we're it's minimal. 1336 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,160 But, Vineyard's is exponential, but 1337 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,680 they're their participation in 1338 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,440 >> so, a point of clarification. Vineyard, 1339 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,680 we only treat from our 400 South and 1340 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,520 >> to the South. There's a small section 1341 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,560 >> Oh, okay. 1342 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,240 >> And the rest of it goes to the 1343 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,670 Vinoge special service. 1344 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,840 But really they are close to build out. 1345 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,200 >> In the area that you serve? 1346 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,640 >> Area that we serve. 1347 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:42,840 >> What did you have? 1348 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840 >> Yes, I just want to add it's based on 1349 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,240 the capacity that the plant 1350 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,600 is designed for. He says it's 15 1351 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,640 million. Of the 15 million, Linden City 1352 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,040 owns 1353 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,760 about 1.6 million gallons. 1354 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,680 >> Okay, so we're 1355 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,880 >> So it's it's based on the flow that we 1356 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,600 are allocating. 1357 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,560 >> we anticipate that we'll grow into and 1358 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,720 occupy. 1359 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,800 >> Okay. 1360 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,080 >> That was helpful. That was helpful. 1361 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,640 Appreciated. 1362 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,840 >> 15 or 20 years ago, both cities jointly 1363 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,120 looked at their build out numbers and 1364 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,600 accommodated that plant, upgraded that 1365 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,720 time 1366 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,800 for those build out numbers. 1367 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,840 >> We went from 1.2 million gallons to 1.6 1368 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,560 million gallons to uh 1369 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,800 to address that 1370 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,480 issue. We'll bear with them where we're 1371 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,320 going to 1372 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,800 >> And that's part of that bond payment 1373 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,480 that being mentioned that we're we're 1374 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,400 making each year is to pay off those 1375 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,981 improvements that were made back then. 1376 01:00:33,981 --> 01:00:35,200 [clears throat] 1377 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,480 >> Thank you. 1378 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,360 >> Just just to back up a little bit, the bank of Orem 1379 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,320 um 1380 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,720 the aspect of that we have talked about 1381 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,040 an interest rate that we apply to that 1382 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,880 similar to the PTIF. I think that's 1383 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,360 really generous offer for the Orem 1384 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,480 um 1385 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,000 to do that and 1386 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,600 So we would be paying some interest back to 1387 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,640 the city where the huge savings that 1388 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,960 you're paying for stuff up front and we 1389 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,800 realize that and so it wouldn't be a 1390 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,240 free 0% loan that but still very 1391 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,200 generous is what we 1392 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,560 >> Thank you. 1393 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,480 Anything else? 1394 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,200 All right, thank you, Reed. Appreciate 1395 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,880 the update. 1396 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,800 Uh next item 1.4 the discussion on 4000 1397 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,040 North and 1200 South Road maintenance 1398 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,240 and turned over to uh John our public 1399 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:42,870 services director. 1400 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,400 » Okay. 1401 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,360 Here to talk about the 1402 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,400 shared 1403 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,280 boundaries that we have up on 1404 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,160 2000 North 1405 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,120 and 1600 South and 1600 North 6000 600 1406 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,480 South 1407 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,560 and passing around kind of a draft 1408 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,640 agreement that I was told you might have 1409 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,870 seen already. 1410 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,120 Dating back to the 80s 1411 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,560 um this is what that you have in front 1412 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,040 of you is this what we'll we'll be 1413 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,840 replacing at the end of 1414 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,240 is that that 1980 agreement and as I 1415 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,920 read through both 1416 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,240 there's very little technical 1417 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,240 information and basically what it says 1418 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,800 we'll take care of fair and maintenance 1419 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,240 and each city will be 1420 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,560 on their parts. It's pretty simple. Um 1421 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,360 going forward the boundary 1422 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,880 we share and I'll I'll do a graphical 1423 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,240 limitation of this but 1424 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,880 we have that 1000 West 1425 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,120 Lyndon Park Drive is 1426 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,280 the Lyndon section 1427 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,520 2000 North 1428 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,200 West State Street 1429 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,440 and we'll 1430 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,000 2000 North East of State Street and the 1431 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,590 show that this is clearly 1432 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,720 This yellow line here you see my mouse? 1433 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,880 Here's boundary 1434 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,720 and in the 80s 1435 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,040 it was established that Lyndon would 1436 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,640 maintain 1437 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,760 this section and this section up to that 1438 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,600 park 1439 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,240 drive that was was there but freeway off 1440 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,600 ramp 1441 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,040 and then Orem would take care of 1442 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,280 everything in this blue. 1443 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,080 Um then 2019 1444 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,280 both entities did a jurisdictional 1445 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,160 transfer and gave 1446 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,840 that portion to UDOT. 1447 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,160 So the section that Linden was 1448 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,640 maintaining 1449 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,440 is gone and the section that Orum was on 1450 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,560 its own 1451 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,240 is now UDOT's. 1452 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,720 So going forward 1453 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,280 the agreement shows that 1454 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,280 and I'm not privy to this and you might 1455 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,000 know this already but I was told that 1456 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,000 Linden is in the middle of 1457 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,920 reconstructing this section of roadway. 1458 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,800 Should be done by the end of the year 1459 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,720 and that's kind of one of the written in 1460 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,160 the agreement that Linden will finish 1461 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,040 that section here between State Street 1462 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,440 and this is a 1463 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,160 about 1,000 ft or so. 1464 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,880 Yeah, this is yellow is the 1465 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,550 city boundary. 1466 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,120 Going forward 1467 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,840 the plan in that document is to have 1468 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,800 Orum maintain the entire section from 1469 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,960 this new shared boundary on 1470 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,000 the other end. 1471 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,200 Comes 800 South Island Drive. 1472 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,920 And it would be a 50/50 split in those 1473 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,750 costs. 1474 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,120 We would do the standard maintenance and 1475 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,360 repair. I didn't detail them out here 1476 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,240 but in your packets sections 2.1 to 2.11 1477 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,880 it really tells about what that means. 1478 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,240 So we were debating in here 1479 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,440 so this is this is this is what we mean 1480 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,480 by 1481 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,080 standard repair and maintenance. 1482 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,310 Standard maintenance. 1483 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,640 Linden's obligation and responsibilities 1484 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,670 in verse Orum 50% of those costs. 1485 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,800 And I believe 1486 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,280 we have a 1487 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,520 major road project planned in 2000 1488 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,760 2031 and so 1489 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,920 part of that agreement mentions 1490 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,000 if you have any utility work 1491 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,920 in that area 1492 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,240 we'll let you know ahead of 1493 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,000 time when work with you guys all the 1494 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,360 time, so we can figure that out. But 1495 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,920 before we have this major reconstruct 1496 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,080 and overlay, we want utilities to be 1497 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,120 synced. 1498 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,070 >> And 1499 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,680 » the discussion we can have items 5 to 1500 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,600 about 17 on is just a recitals. Just 1501 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,920 >> What was it? Just the legal stuff. 1502 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,280 >> Legal and finance and it's 1503 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,000 >> Here's 1504 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,080 >> late and how you pay us. So 1505 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,440 I didn't go through all of those deep 1506 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,840 detail here. You guys understand and 1507 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:46,800 some of you might have seen them 1508 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,840 already. 1509 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,240 For the questions. 1510 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,400 >> Just emphasize this is a draft for us. 1511 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,880 >> So this is a draft that I sent 1512 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,480 probably this back to Chris and Chris 1513 01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,800 isn't here today and 1514 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,360 so Um we have a we have a pending 1515 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,360 working some details out, so 1516 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,720 >> He sent it to me last Friday, so I don't 1517 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,640 know how recent the changes in there, 1518 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:11,560 but 1519 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,680 >> I I think we sent those a week and a 1520 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:14,440 half or two weeks ago. 1521 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,720 >> A couple weeks ago. Maybe they're in 1522 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,480 there, maybe they're not, but 1523 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,400 Any questions? 1524 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,040 >> No, I just wanted to say that we're 1525 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,640 sending comments to to Chris and 1526 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,320 trying to schedule another meeting with 1527 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,470 sit down. 1528 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,120 » And I think some of the areas that we 1529 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,960 talked a little bit about, I believe 1530 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,040 very improbable. All soft costs about 1531 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,400 staff. 1532 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,920 We're all in agreement with the wording 1533 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,480 because our staff can we design 1534 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,240 We don't pay out for designing. 1535 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,280 So we don't know how that will get 1536 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,600 reimbursed. That's I don't think that's 1537 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,240 really the main thing. 1538 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,560 portion of it. For the soft cost element 1539 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,560 of staff's time to split that we 1540 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,640 haven't. 1541 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,720 >> Okay. We'll keep going. 1542 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,270 >> Yes. 1543 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,520 » More questions? 1544 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:05,120 >> You know, gone. 1545 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,400 >> It's a draft. 1546 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,640 >> I think we cleaned up well bringing in 1547 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,040 the temple. 1548 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,480 So, there might be extra if he wants 1549 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,480 some 1550 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,360 if you guys end up with extra. 1551 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:23,351 >> Six or eight years. 1552 01:07:23,361 --> 01:07:25,160 » [laughter] 1553 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,360 >> I don't know that. 1554 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,000 Saying 1555 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,360 I want to be on the other side. I 1556 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,080 appreciate that. 1557 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,360 I'm 50. All right, our next item is a 1558 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:36,920 discussion of a Linden Hall Drainage 1559 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,440 Agreement and joint maintenance of 1560 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,600 waterway and wetlands. So, I'll turn 1561 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,110 over to Juan. 1562 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,990 » Thank you, Mayor. 1563 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,800 I'm just going to bring a uh 1564 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,760 visual of what we're 1565 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,190 talking about. 1566 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:05,630 This is this section right here. 1567 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,840 Okay, so um 1568 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,920 I'm Juan Garrido, Public Works Director. 1569 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,960 I've been working on this uh project 1570 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,400 with Mayor Lundberg. Uh was very uh very 1571 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,839 helpful in finding us a ARPA 1572 01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:20,240 grant 1573 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,240 uh 1574 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,720 in 2021-2022 era. 1575 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,600 And uh it was related to uh the Utah 1576 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,240 Lake Water Quality uh pro- program. So, 1577 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,240 what we have is right here on this 1578 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,200 line, uh this is where we collect a lot 1579 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,400 of the effluent uh not effluent, but uh 1580 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,319 stormwater runoff from uh Orem, Pleasant 1581 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,279 Grove, and Linden. Uh there's a inner 1582 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,520 local agreement where uh Orem is 1583 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,920 responsible for about 51% of the flow. 1584 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,080 Uh Pleasant Grove, through one of the 1585 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,680 drainages that comes right through the 1586 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,880 middle of uh Linden, is responsible for 1587 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,680 about 17%, 1588 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,920 and then Linden is pretty much 1589 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,120 responsible for the remainder. 1590 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:06,960 Uh 1591 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,040 the 1592 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:13,040 city limits for Orem don't quite go into this area. 1593 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,240 And neither does a Pleasant Grove. So, 1594 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,120 Lindon is pretty much has taken the lead 1595 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,799 on maintaining the channel, overseeing 1596 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:23,799 the flows, and we kind of get 1597 01:09:23,799 --> 01:09:26,440 tasked with water quality. 1598 01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:29,400 Uh there was a study made in the '90s or 1599 01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,279 late or late '90s or early 2000s where 1600 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:33,480 the 1601 01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:35,720 um they were studying the water quality 1602 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,520 of Utah Lake. 1603 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,480 And they put out quite a few sensors or 1604 01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:40,720 a few uh 1605 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,279 gauges through here, and there was a 1606 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,279 high E. coli, hard turbidity. 1607 01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,200 Uh that was some of the main the main 1608 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,560 factors. 1609 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,680 With this ARPA 1610 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,120 uh grant, we um 1611 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,880 we are looking at rebuilding the 1612 01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,200 channel. 1613 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,800 Here is [clears throat] been eroding as 1614 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,440 well as the water travels too fast as 1615 01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:06,880 there's not enough time for sediments to 1616 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,040 drop. 1617 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,280 The existing or the base flow capacity 1618 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,040 of this uh 1619 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,520 of this channel, it's about 3 to 5 cfs. 1620 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,600 But when we have a pretty big storm, it 1621 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,040 does swells up to 200 plus cfs. 1622 01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,600 Uh it's been causing some erosion. 1623 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,200 It's kind of been 1624 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,080 neglected for a little bit. 1625 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,400 So, as where we have our heritage trail 1626 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,240 going also through there, we're also 1627 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,880 trying to not only improve water 1628 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,640 quality, but also do um beautification 1629 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,800 of the area so it's more attractive to people going by there. Um the 1630 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,640 original grant 1631 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,240 that we got from the state was about 1632 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,360 $700,000 1633 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,000 with a 20% match. So, that made it that 1634 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,200 the city 1635 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,160 will have to come up with about 200 and 1636 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,640 some thousand to to 20% match. 1637 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,800 Then of that, 1638 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,080 Orem will [clears throat] pay the 51% 1639 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,480 Pleasant Grove the 17 and Linden the 1640 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:09,040 remainder. I have been in contact with 1641 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,520 Chris Sherry in that regard to to make 1642 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,360 sure he's budgeting 1643 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,520 ahead of time and uh 1644 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,440 handling that that way. Recently, we had 1645 01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:22,320 some visitors from the state coming to 1646 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,880 check on the program. They were pretty 1647 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,360 I don't know happy with what they saw 1648 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,040 and they added an additional 1649 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,360 $300,000 to this thing. 1650 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,600 $300,000 to 1651 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,640 projects so we can actually 1652 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,360 try to finish clear from Geneva Road to 1653 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,920 the bridge that crosses into the 1654 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,400 wetlands and 1655 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,840 then we'll work on a inner local part of 1656 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,240 the inner local agreement how to do 1657 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,480 better maintenance of the noxious weeds 1658 01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:50,600 and 1659 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,840 a few other things that require 1660 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,400 attention. Then eventually, we will keep 1661 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,000 even though they're local, so that place 1662 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,840 doesn't fall in disrepair again. We'll 1663 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,320 just keep it on a 1664 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,800 on an annual basis of spraying which 1665 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,000 we can take care of. 1666 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,200 The cleaning debris and and all of 1667 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,030 those. 1668 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,040 Any questions? 1669 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,600 >> For the benefit of 1670 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,800 Orem 1671 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,120 Council, 1672 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,720 you you all noticed as we were going 1673 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,120 through our budgeting process there was 1674 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,280 a little bit higher uh of an increase 1675 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,000 percentage wise in our storm drain 1676 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,640 and some of our other utilities and so 1677 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,640 uh it was in part in anticipation of you 1678 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,160 know some of these types of increasing 1679 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,040 costs. 1680 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,040 >> But in in obtaining that now cumulative 1681 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,920 1 million in in funding, 1682 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,800 that's always going to offset all of our 1683 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,960 costs. 1684 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,640 And the thing that's really wonderful is 1685 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,480 if you do go down the trail once it's 1686 01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:52,000 complete, part of 1687 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,600 why we were awarded the funding was 1688 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,360 because we're trying to do these what 1689 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,480 fancy word is riparian 1690 01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:58,240 uh 1691 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,840 reconstructions so for the water 1692 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,080 the animals, the fish 1693 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,120 and there's some great fishing along 1694 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,880 this canal right away that people 1695 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,280 will be able to do and so it's it's 1696 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,400 going to be very beautiful, very 1697 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,560 beautiful walkway. 1698 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,160 >> Let me ask you a question along those 1699 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,000 lines. I did not know there was a trail 1700 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,720 there. So, where does that trail go to? 1701 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,240 Where does that lead? 1702 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,320 >> Goes all the way to the lake. 1703 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,120 >> To our Lincoln 1704 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,440 >> Lincoln Marina 1705 01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:30,680 >> It goes all the way past the Temple to the foothills. So, it's it's 1706 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,280 >> So, it connects connects the Murdock 1707 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,480 Canal and then comes through all of the 1708 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,480 central part of Linden. 1709 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:36,760 >> Right. 1710 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,960 >> So, it's the first lake to network to 1711 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,200 trail 1712 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,240 in the 1713 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,840 valley. 1714 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:42,920 >> I was just trying to figure out how to 1715 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,240 ride my bike to American Fork. 1716 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,760 You just answered that question. 1717 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,840 >> You can see this trail goes here all the 1718 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,760 way to 12 1200 East to the foothill. 1719 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,720 Then it just kind of goes 1720 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,200 Lincoln and Jacob's going to give you a 1721 01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,641 tour of that. 1722 01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:00,600 >> [laughter] 1723 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:01,800 >> the east side 1724 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,760 >> So, it does connect to the Murdock trail 1725 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:04,880 right here. 1726 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,840 And then it keeps going 1727 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,880 south and then 1728 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,200 comes out to this cul-de-sac and then it 1729 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,200 follows Center Street. 1730 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:13,760 >> Perfect. 1731 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,480 >> And from Center Street all the way to 1732 01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,600 400 no, to Geneva Road. 1733 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,400 Goes underneath the 1734 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,840 State Street here through a tunnel. 1735 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,760 >> Oh, I can't see the 1736 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,120 >> It goes through the north entrance. 1737 01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,040 >> It's all right. 1738 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,400 >> Goes through the City Center Park. 1739 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,680 >> Yeah. 1740 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,800 >> Through City Center Park. Anyways, they 1741 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,720 were able to mitigate the erosion that 1742 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,120 occurred from the high flow and heavy 1743 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:40,520 rains and waters. 1744 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,640 The permanent solution to that by 1745 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,040 >> Yes, we will be what's happening is it's 1746 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,840 so steep that the velocities are just 1747 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,400 So we're going to raise the bottom of 1748 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,400 the of the channel. Then we're going to 1749 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,240 cut back the top of it and then we're 1750 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,480 going to lay it back so it's not 1751 01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:56,960 actually a 1752 01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,320 canyon. It's going to be people can can 1753 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,230 get in there and fish and 1754 01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,320 » You said normal flow is like 3 CFS? And 1755 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,080 then how [clears throat] high does it 1756 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:07,960 get when it's under 1757 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,040 >> Up to 200 CFS. 1758 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:10,560 Yeah. 1759 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:11,720 >> 3 to 200. 1760 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,480 >> Yeah, that's why now we're going to cut 1761 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:16,920 >> Just be making great brands the marina 1762 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:22,817 to the Lyndon and Orem marina. 1763 01:15:22,827 --> 01:15:25,110 » [laughter] 1764 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:31,987 » Just wanted to annex part of Orem. 1765 01:15:31,997 --> 01:15:32,120 » [clears throat] 1766 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,000 >> Yes, can you go back to just the the 1767 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,640 first map you showed if we can find it? 1768 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,000 I I'm just trying to understand 1769 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000 where the water ends up. 1770 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,920 Um it looks like 1771 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,600 I can't tell what that is. Is that 1772 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,320 >> Is that a green area? 1773 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,720 >> Yeah, so this is a wetland. 1774 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,520 >> It's a wetland 1775 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,360 that [clears throat] is always wet? 1776 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,480 >> Yes. 1777 01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:55,760 >> And then it there's a there's an egress 1778 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,360 that goes out to the lake as well. 1779 01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,480 >> Yes, so it gets comes into this wetland 1780 01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:02,480 area. It then leaves on a small channel. 1781 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,200 Uh we have our our trail going right 1782 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,640 next to it. 1783 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,760 This point it crosses Pioneer Lane right 1784 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,320 behind the power plant. 1785 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,480 And then our trail now continues 1786 01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:17,080 this way and then it crosses right here 1787 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,440 and then it goes to the marina. The 1788 01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:20,440 water continues up 1789 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:21,920 this way through the other wetlands by 1790 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,520 the power plant. This is uh 1791 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,560 2000 West 1792 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,040 200 South and then it crosses 1793 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:29,880 >> So does it cross there? 1794 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,600 >> All right, through here and it goes 1795 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,600 right south of the transfer station. 1796 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,560 >> Have you ever been to the solid waste 1797 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,480 the 1798 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:37,240 Do you know that wetlands? 1799 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,960 >> You see that little channel? That is it. 1800 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,520 >> Now are those wetlands big enough they 1801 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760 attract wildlife? 1802 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,680 >> Some. 1803 01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,200 So 1804 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,040 >> Beavers for sure. 1805 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,360 >> Yeah, you may not be aware that Orem jointly owns this wetland area with 1806 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,200 Lindon and and Pleasant Grove based on 1807 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,000 the percentages that's in our agreement. 1808 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,560 So So that was purchased a number of 1809 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,360 years ago 1810 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,080 when Anderson Geneva was developing. 1811 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,080 They were interested in filling that 1812 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,480 entire thing and just leaving the 1813 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,560 channel. 1814 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,400 And because of such 1815 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,440 the the amount [snorts] of storm water 1816 01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:12,600 that comes through there, this is a 1817 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,880 natural detention basin. 1818 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,760 And that's really benefiting our city 1819 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,400 sand. So we jointly purchased that land 1820 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,038 and so that is public open space. 1821 01:17:22,038 --> 01:17:22,720 [clears throat] 1822 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,600 It was actually put under a conservation 1823 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,120 easement at that same time. And so it 1824 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,280 cannot be developed in the future. 1825 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:35,790 So you are a joint owner in that land. 1826 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,920 » Any other questions? Tucked away in the 1827 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,680 middle of industrial 1828 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,880 operations, so it's 1829 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,080 Anyway, I'm just going to ask it 1830 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,840 navigation. So if I'm riding my bike 1831 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,040 and I'm going past the wetlands, where 1832 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,760 do I join back in? Across the street 1833 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,640 there. See that Trinity Express? Do I go 1834 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,680 through their parking lot? 1835 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,480 >> So you come right 1836 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,120 to this point. 1837 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,640 Then there is a new trail that connects 1838 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,200 right along this fence. 1839 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:04,200 >> Okay, so I'll see it. 1840 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,680 >> And then where do I connect at Geneva 1841 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,720 Road? I I saw it on the on the west 1842 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,200 side, but where 1843 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,480 space we've got to 1844 01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,960 >> Just west of the the rail line, there's 1845 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,560 a dedicated trail. 1846 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,000 >> Oh, okay. I see it. Yeah. 1847 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,840 >> So it goes So it goes north right here 1848 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,520 at Center Street. 1849 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,120 Not Center Street. It's 100 South. 1850 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,360 It crosses from 1851 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,760 here to here. 1852 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:28,080 >> Yeah. 1853 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:28,680 >> Okay. 1854 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:29,400 >> That's nice. 1855 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,720 >> That's 6-ft wide asphalt when it's in 1856 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,200 >> Okay. 1857 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,080 >> It's kind of a glorified sidewalks in 1858 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,400 some parts of Lindon. It is a agents. 1859 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,280 >> Millions of jobs to 1860 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:39,800 >> That's awesome. 1861 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:40,840 >> Okay, 1862 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,259 I know what I'm going to be doing. 1863 01:18:43,259 --> 01:18:44,600 >> [laughter] 1864 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,510 >> It's wonderful. Should be 1865 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,320 » All right, thank you. 1866 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,720 Appreciate it. Our next item on our 1867 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,600 agenda is 1.6 discussion legislative 1868 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,440 interests in common between the cities 1869 01:18:58,440 --> 01:18:59,920 and so I'm going to turn it over to Adam 1870 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,480 and Bren. 1871 01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,720 >> Yeah, um 1872 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,520 uh 1873 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,520 many of you have at least some good 1874 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,360 awareness of 1875 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,880 uh interacting with the Utah League of 1876 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,640 Cities and Towns and their regular uh 1877 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,800 legislative policy committee meetings. 1878 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,240 And so you get maybe broader and and uh 1879 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,240 additional subjects that we as cities 1880 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,520 can kind of team up with legislatively 1881 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,240 in in our 1882 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,080 lobbying and relationship building 1883 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,000 efforts with with state legislators. 1884 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,800 Um so 1885 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,800 I think of particular interest to to 1886 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,320 Lehi and Orem over the next year or so, 1887 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,920 I think we'll we'll want to team up with 1888 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,400 and and stay in communication as it 1889 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,480 relates to protecting our water sourcing 1890 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,640 uh rights and decision-making and and 1891 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,080 control. 1892 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,760 And then uh 1893 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,600 another item uh that we're becoming 1894 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,040 increasingly interested in 1895 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,160 and love to hear uh any thoughts uh on 1896 01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,400 this in particular is 1897 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,080 in relation to e-bike and e-scooter 1898 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:10,560 regulations. 1899 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,480 Obviously, the state started to to 1900 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,880 provide some guardrails so to speak, um 1901 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,920 but I think it's a it's a growing 1902 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,520 concern and and we're trying to grapple 1903 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,080 with. On the one hand, it's good to get 1904 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,520 our our kids out and out of uh away from 1905 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,760 their screens. On the other hand, some 1906 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,720 of these uh e-bikes can go quite quick. 1907 01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,880 And [clears throat] and so we have um in 1908 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,120 recent months gotten on a committee with 1909 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,880 the county to uh look at how we uh 1910 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,360 cities can can regulate. Um 1911 01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,640 we're especially where we have um 1912 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,880 bordering and connecting trails and more 1913 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,440 particularly the Murdock Canal Trail. We 1914 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,000 want to make sure that whatever 1915 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,840 regulations and enforcement we start 1916 01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,200 doing 1917 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,360 that we're that we're not um on an 1918 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,000 island uh and and doing something 1919 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,440 different than you guys and the other 1920 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,280 cities to the north. 1921 01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,600 Um so anyway, that that's something that 1922 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:13,200 uh 1923 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,280 you know, of course our our respective 1924 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:19,680 staffs will want to communicate on and work [clears throat] on and and if 1925 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,320 you're not on that Utah County 1926 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,040 committee, then you know, we can pass 1927 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,400 along some that information as well, but 1928 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,760 um yeah. 1929 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,320 Anything else on your mind? 1930 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,520 >> is really uh focuses in in my mind on 1931 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,240 just local control and things that the 1932 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,800 state is continually looking at at 1933 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,840 pulling away from cities. 1934 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,400 Property tax, we're expecting 1935 01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:44,880 legislation that's going to continue 1936 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,680 tightening the ability of cities to use 1937 01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,360 property taxes as a financing mechanism. 1938 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,680 And so that's a big issue that 1939 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,840 uh we would encourage you as as elected 1940 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,400 officials to talk to your our 1941 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,120 legislators. 1942 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,400 Uh try to protect that local control. Um 1943 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,400 land use and housing are the other big 1944 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,600 things that we're seeing a lot of 1945 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,440 pressure from the state to make changes 1946 01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:08,840 locally and some of that's been forced 1947 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,720 upon us and so 1948 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,680 maintaining that local control is is a 1949 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,120 big concern. 1950 01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,680 Um they have helped recently with with 1951 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,520 transportation funding where the 1952 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,160 legislature approved the TUFF, it's the 1953 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,480 transportation utility fee 1954 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:25,200 option for cities to look at as a 1955 01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,000 possible funding funding mechanism. 1956 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:28,800 of 1957 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,200 stream 1958 01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,880 so that's been really positive thing. 1959 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:34,880 And I 1960 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,960 Yeah, local control on issues. 1961 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,360 >> One size misfits all. 1962 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,070 That's the same. 1963 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,600 » All right, thank you. Anything else? 1964 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,280 All right. Our final item 1965 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,560 in this section is North Union 1966 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,120 Irrigation Company dissolution. 1967 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,160 And possible canal trail solution and 1968 01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:02,150 urban war and carry. 1969 01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,680 » I want to invite Reed because he's also 1970 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:05,560 the chair 1971 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,960 >> Oh, and Reed, okay. 1972 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,840 >> and vice chair of the 1973 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,200 North [laughter] Union and Provo Bay 1974 01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:13,960 I take a different hat 1975 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:20,270 a different one on for this. 1976 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:24,270 That's it's coming. 1977 01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,790 So 1978 01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,640 As you all will 1979 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,680 There you go, you have a presentation. 1980 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,082 >> He has a small 1981 01:23:34,082 --> 01:23:36,550 >> [laughter] 1982 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,920 » Sit down there. 1983 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:43,710 Just waiting this. 1984 01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,880 Uh 1985 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,840 North Union Canal Provo Bench North 1986 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,720 Union Canal Uh here's just a big 1987 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,200 overview 1988 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,560 so that you're familiar with it. 1989 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,080 The red ends up going up into 1990 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,960 Oh, Pleasant Grove almost American Fork. 1991 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,720 Um that's the length of it and Reed can 1992 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,480 talk a little bit about here in a minute 1993 01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:10,400 the uh plans of the canal company where 1994 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:11,680 they're at 1995 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,600 and frankly abandoning delivering water. 1996 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,640 Uh and we can talk a little bit about 1997 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,800 what that means practically for the 1998 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,040 canal 1999 01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,720 and some of the unique things that that 2000 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,680 the state law 2001 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,200 the position it puts us in. And 2002 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:32,600 Orem, 2003 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,200 we're looking at the canal 2004 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,240 as a possible utility corridor trail 2005 01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,640 corridor. 2006 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,960 And we 2007 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,360 looking at an area 2008 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,960 you can see there it comes from about 2009 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,320 200 South 2010 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,160 on Palisade and it comes up to the 2011 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:58,120 border on 2000 North with Linden. And 2012 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,400 you can see on the southern end you can 2013 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,440 see how broad that canal can be in some 2014 01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:07,480 areas and then as you get farther north 2015 01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:09,360 it really 2016 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,720 gets more narrow. And we are in the 2017 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,680 process 2018 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,280 we've gone out for request for 2019 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,960 proposals. We've had two back 2020 01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,040 methods [clears throat] 2021 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,480 and Landmark have come in with 2022 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:29,120 bids and we'll be reviewing those next 2023 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,720 week. What we are doing is hiring a 2024 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,320 consultant to help us do a couple of 2025 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,200 major things. One 2026 01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,160 being 2027 01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,600 public outreach. As you can imagine this 2028 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,880 canal 2029 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,240 passes by a lot of people and 2030 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,920 to give you an example here in Orem it's 2031 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,040 a little over 5 miles and it goes 2032 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,040 through a lot of residential zones and 2033 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,480 these residential zones are our 2034 01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:03,080 8,000 square foot lot 7,000.5 2035 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,040 and it basically in that area within 2036 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,360 walking distance of the canal is over 2037 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,880 14,000 people. And it goes the canal 2038 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,680 goes by schools, 2039 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,640 parks, churches uh 2040 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,640 all along there. So, 2041 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,560 you can see a lot of people are very 2042 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,520 interested. So, back to the RFPs that 2043 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,360 we're looking at, two main things. One, 2044 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,320 kind of public outreach along the canal 2045 01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,320 corridor to 2046 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:36,120 uh 2047 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,440 gauge people's interest in the canal and 2048 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:42,440 what happens with it. I I get a lot of 2049 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:44,760 phone calls on this. 2050 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,120 And the mayor, 2051 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,929 she forwards me lots of emails 2052 01:26:49,929 --> 01:26:51,840 >> [laughter] 2053 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,800 >> that we're already getting. And And I'll 2054 01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,240 tell you they range from everything from 2055 01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,800 on one side, people saying, uh 2056 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,960 I want the property in my yard. I don't 2057 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,280 want anything that the city has anywhere 2058 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,920 near it. Uh we've had people out quick 2059 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,040 claiming to themselves 2060 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,800 uh canal property 2061 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,120 uh behind their houses, and in a case or 2062 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,950 two, behind their neighbor's house. 2063 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,480 And And all the way to people saying, I 2064 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:25,280 live on the canal. I would love this to 2065 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,800 be a trail. 2066 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,960 And so, uh and we hear everything in 2067 01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,880 between. And then I have some people 2068 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,000 saying, I don't really want the canal, 2069 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,680 but I know my neighbor is throwing all 2070 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,360 their yard waste into it. And we've got 2071 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,880 kids back there playing, and it's a 2072 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,800 corridor for 2073 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,200 uh crime, and all of those things. So, it really 2074 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,280 ranges all over the place. So, number 2075 01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,640 one is to kind of gauge community input. 2076 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,360 And number two is to analyze this as a 2077 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,840 utility corridor. We currently do have 2078 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,360 storm water that gets put into the 2079 01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:03,520 canal. 2080 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,000 Um we are working on 2081 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,480 uh some plans, and I think uh 2082 01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:10,640 we talked earlier about uh 2083 01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,840 we we basically have our own engineering 2084 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,480 firm in house. And we have been working 2085 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:19,600 on getting some of our storm water out, 2086 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,720 but we want to look at, well, what if we 2087 01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,040 keep storm water in, but what about 2088 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,640 other utilities? 2089 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,000 We have, as you can see through Orem, 2090 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,280 this major corridor 2091 01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,600 that could be used for utilities, 2092 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,880 um, as it goes through the community. 2093 01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,320 So, we want to analyze those types of 2094 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,720 things. We've even talked about, uh, 2095 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,520 Shell Aqua for recharge system and and 2096 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,920 if that could be helpful to us or not. 2097 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,680 So, that's kind of where we stand with 2098 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,760 this and Reed, if you want to 2099 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:53,680 >> Sure. 2100 01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,320 >> jump in about the company. 2101 01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,640 >> Yeah, so the company, as I 2102 01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,600 presume all of you are aware that the 2103 01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,720 Provo Bench Canal and Irrigation 2104 01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,680 Company, which goes from the mouth of 2105 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,280 the canyon down, circles around this 2106 01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,080 about 400 South in Orem, back to the 2107 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,200 north, terminating 2108 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,520 kind of terminating the end of that 2109 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,720 company, 2110 01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:14,360 uh, 2111 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,400 the the end of the canal that the Provo 2112 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,200 Bench Canal Company, 2113 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,480 um, operated is at 800 North and the 2114 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,600 canal just continues. It switches 2115 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,880 companies to the North Union Canal, 2116 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,720 uh, company. Uh, it uh, elected back in 2117 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:33,960 November of last year to, stop delivering water. 2118 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,120 Um, the 2119 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,840 Orem is a was a major shareholder, the 2120 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,840 major shareholder in the Provo Bench 2121 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,200 company. Lyndon was the major 2122 01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,960 shareholder in North Union. We also 2123 01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,800 owned shares, 2124 01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:50,320 um, but, uh, because Lyndon 2125 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,640 will be 2126 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,280 taking their water out of the Provo, uh, 2127 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,600 the, uh, 2128 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,040 the Provo Provo River Provo River Act, 2129 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,240 thank you. The Provo River Aqueduct, 2130 01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,280 they don't need the canal. Orem has 2131 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,880 never put water in the canal, but we've 2132 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,640 always paid our assessments as part of 2133 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,240 that that part of that company. 2134 01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,960 Um so because Lyndon was pulling it out 2135 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,560 of the more efficient Provo River 2136 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,400 Aqueduct, uh the volume of water didn't 2137 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,960 exist. It could not operate as a canal 2138 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,640 with the few 2139 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,840 um shareholders that would that 2140 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,480 remained. So, we felt 2141 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,880 as a company, we felt that it was best 2142 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,560 to just disband 2143 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:30,880 and uh 2144 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,600 give everybody their 2145 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,560 give give everyone the opportunity to 2146 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,320 either sell her 2147 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,160 interest in the company or retain that 2148 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,680 in the form of water rights. Uh and that 2149 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,680 process is close to being finalized. We 2150 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,280 hope to have that done 2151 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,840 uh this week. In fact, I 2152 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,320 even our calendar, we noticed that we 2153 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,400 have a a meeting tomorrow morning with 2154 01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,040 the company's attorney, 2155 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,440 um who will 2156 01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:57,960 direct hopefully direct us to go ahead 2157 01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:59,160 and 2158 01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,120 process the paperwork and convey all the 2159 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,200 water rights to that. That said, 2160 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,040 the company is close to needing to make 2161 01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,120 a decision of when to abandon its 2162 01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,600 prescriptive easement that it has. 2163 01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,720 Right now, the only reason that people 2164 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,640 haven't gobbled up land is because the 2165 01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,040 company 2166 01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,360 still asserts that it has the right to 2167 01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:22,320 use this as to convey us water. 2168 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,720 But it's not doing that. So, 2169 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,200 the time is coming soon. That's why 2170 01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,880 Orem's going through this process to 2171 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,840 determine what can be done, how can we 2172 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,680 use this as an amenity 2173 01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:37,560 that's a little beyond the intention of what what it's been used for 2174 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:38,920 past 2175 01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,120 100-plus years. 2176 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,560 Uh so, 2177 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:43,760 um 2178 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:44,680 uh 2179 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,240 From the company's perspective, 2180 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,280 and we 2181 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,280 one and I as the as the president and 2182 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,800 vice president, we can control how 2183 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,960 quickly this happens in working with our 2184 01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,600 attorney, but he will be advising us on 2185 01:31:58,600 --> 01:31:59,880 what 2186 01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,760 the company should do. Because as long 2187 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,720 as we hold that, we're still liable for 2188 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,120 things that happen in that canal. 2189 01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,200 Uh 2190 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:08,640 as a company, we're not really 2191 01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,080 interested uh in taking on that 2192 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,480 liability. So, hopefully we can come to 2193 01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:14,400 a 2194 01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,680 solution soon. Um 2195 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,200 it will be a uh quite the effort, I 2196 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,840 believe, as we reach out to the public 2197 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,720 to see 2198 01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,080 to gauge the interest and and 2199 01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,680 what how how we could use this 2200 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:27,920 differently. 2201 01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,280 Um so, anyway, 2202 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,200 my company is gone. 2203 01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,840 Just informing both city councils that 2204 01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,640 decisions need to be made relatively 2205 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,520 quickly. We anticipate the full closure 2206 01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,600 of the company soon, and with that full 2207 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,240 closure comes an abandonment of that uh 2208 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,120 prescriptive easement 2209 01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,200 fish I think it takes 90 days or 2210 01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,640 something after we do that where the 2211 01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,320 company just walks away, 2212 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,840 has no more responsibility for that 2213 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,440 corridor, and [snorts] the legal battle 2214 01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:04,560 begins to determine who gets to continue 2215 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:05,680 to use it. 2216 01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,240 >> Can a new company be created with 2217 01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:11,760 the idea that this is for the storm 2218 01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:12,840 water 2219 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,680 and so on 2220 01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:15,600 >> So, yeah. 2221 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,280 >> to retain that prescriptive ease 2222 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:18,680 easement? 2223 01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,800 >> This this gets into 2224 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,640 the legal arguments that I I know Steve, 2225 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,560 you've been looking at it, but I I don't 2226 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,200 I can't speak um 2227 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,920 authoritatively. 2228 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,880 >> But, it's a great question. Let's make 2229 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,440 sure that we can get our respective 2230 01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:41,040 uh city attorneys and staff to to share 2231 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,480 notes and 2232 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,160 see how we can approach it. 2233 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,040 >> And are you balancing the official 2234 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,560 dissolution 2235 01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,040 to give us time 2236 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,640 >> That's because we sit we are the 2237 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,720 president and vice president, 2238 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,280 uh we have directed our attorney to 2239 01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,520 we're not going to jump right in and and 2240 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,120 do this. We do have time, but we 2241 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,320 at the company, we are all 2242 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,520 Linden and Orem are still liable for 2243 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,640 that canal because we are the major 2244 01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,360 shareholders 2245 01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,840 of both of them. 2246 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,000 >> So, is it consistent that many of the 2247 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,080 adjacent property owners, they show this 2248 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,360 canal on their plat map as part of their 2249 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,120 parcel or there's some sections where 2250 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:25,520 it's wholly 2251 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:26,360 the company's 2252 01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:28,160 >> Company owns nothing. 2253 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:34,840 So, yes. There are there are areas of no man's land where the parcels don't 2254 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,880 really match up on the any parcel map. 2255 01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,200 And that's up for 2256 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,360 >> can stake a claim. 2257 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,880 >> The company does not assert that it owns 2258 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,200 any property. So, it 2259 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,280 >> We're researching. 2260 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:49,760 >> Okay. 2261 01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,840 >> But but our board members is also 2262 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,840 Central Utah 2263 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,040 uh water and they have already expressed 2264 01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:01,840 to our attorney to keep the easement for water 2265 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,600 for a possible for recharge where it 2266 01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,280 from the Provo River and then their 2267 01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,880 office is right adjacent to it. So, 2268 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,760 they're looking at claiming that 2269 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,240 part of the easement for that purpose, 2270 01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,360 which is still water conveyance. 2271 01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,600 And that's where they have a 2272 01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,520 part of that the gray area to to that 2273 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,560 >> So, the purpose going back to what Gary 2274 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,680 was talking the purpose of this study is 2275 01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,440 to look at what are all the claims 2276 01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:33,800 including ours as respective cities and 2277 01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,880 adjacent property owners and then 2278 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,520 compare and contrast those claims and 2279 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,720 the strength of them and also the timing 2280 01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:40,760 of them. 2281 01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:42,000 Cuz 2282 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,480 I would submit to you all that, you 2283 01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:47,160 know, this is a corridor 2284 01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,080 that is more opportunity than than 2285 01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,160 challenge. And once it's gone, it's 2286 01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,680 gone. So, now's our time to to look at 2287 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,280 it and look at it from all 2288 01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:00,080 angles. Uh so, uses and uh the 2289 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,200 legalities and and let's let's try to 2290 01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,080 work together to to find out the best 2291 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,150 use of it. 2292 01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,520 And uh 2293 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,120 if the president and vice president of 2294 01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:15,680 the canal company could be sure to 2295 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,360 communicate with our public utilities 2296 01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,786 director and Lincoln 2297 01:36:19,786 --> 01:36:22,630 >> [laughter] 2298 01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,981 » Sometimes sometimes that's a challenge. 2299 01:36:26,991 --> 01:36:31,590 » [laughter] 2300 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,520 » So, Carrie, I'm sorry to just clarify 2301 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,440 cuz you know I take notes here, but RSP, 2302 01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:38,200 public outreach, and what was the 2303 01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,280 second? 2304 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,040 >> Yeah. 2305 01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,800 Sorry. Uh 2306 01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,080 the tech technical analysis of using it 2307 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,600 as a utility corridor, which could be an 2308 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,080 aquifer recharge or frankly other types 2309 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,200 of utilities. If there's a need for a 2310 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,320 corridor through the community and this 2311 01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,280 ends up being one that could be less 2312 01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,240 expensive than maybe digging up roads or 2313 01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,080 sidewalks and things like that. That 2314 01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,960 could be a good way to get utilities 2315 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,880 through the community. 2316 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,160 >> And Gary, we're we're doing this study 2317 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,640 in cooperation with Mountain Lion 2318 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,040 Association governance. 2319 01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:13,920 >> Yes, Dave. Uh 2320 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,240 we've gotten a grant from MAG and so 2321 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,360 we're working with them. They they will 2322 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:20,702 run the technical aspects 2323 01:37:20,702 --> 01:37:26,470 [clears throat] of the grant and the earth. 2324 01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:29,440 » I So, is there 2325 01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:31,120 I guess just point of clarification. So, 2326 01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,800 is there still water 2327 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:35,560 whether it be storm water or other water 2328 01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,720 that could be moved through that canal 2329 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,280 uh but back to your point, there are 2330 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:45,440 different leadership ownership 2331 01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:46,640 capacity. 2332 01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:47,880 >> We'd have to take a 2333 01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,000 >> That's going to be part of the study. 2334 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,600 >> That that that'll be a part of what 2335 01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,280 we're going to be looking at, whether we 2336 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,240 do it under the study or independently. 2337 01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,600 We'll We'll figure that out. 2338 01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,320 Uh but absent the canal, there is water 2339 01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,600 the canal company, there is water going 2340 01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:05,640 in 2341 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,440 to the canal. 2342 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:08,840 >> The company There's no 2343 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,120 >> Well, I mean storm water is is coming 2344 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,640 into the canal. The canal company's not 2345 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,840 moving water through. But right now, 2346 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,640 there are private properties who their 2347 01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,640 storm water goes into the canal, and 2348 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,040 that's one of the things we need to 2349 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,600 think about is if that canal does go 2350 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,200 away. Now, you got to remember when the 2351 01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,000 canal company walks away, they're 2352 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,800 literally going to wash their hands and 2353 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,280 walk away and say, "Congratulations, 2354 01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,040 Harmon Lindon. You have a canal through 2355 01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,400 your your community. Good luck dealing 2356 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:37,360 with it." 2357 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:38,920 And so, 2358 01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:41,200 uh if storm water from private 2359 01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,400 properties is going into that canal, 2360 01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,080 what does that mean? 2361 01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:48,840 And uh if people start blocking off the 2362 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,320 canal and one person wants to take it 2363 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,640 over and fill it in, and the next door 2364 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,040 neighbor doesn't do that, 2365 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,760 where does that storm water go, and what 2366 01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:58,960 happens to it? 2367 01:38:58,960 --> 01:38:59,960 >> What's in it? 2368 01:38:59,960 --> 01:39:01,200 >> Yeah, 2369 01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,040 hopefully not. But that But we need to 2370 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,240 ensure that because if it does, 2371 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:08,240 you will be the ones getting the phone 2372 01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,000 call from the canal company. 2373 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,470 Yeah. 2374 01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:14,840 » All right, any other questions? Mayor 2375 01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,680 McCalister had to step out for a 2:00 2376 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,920 meeting, so 2377 01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:19,800 Thank you very much for your 2378 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:20,920 participation. 2379 01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,844 >> I've been very good crowd again. 2380 01:39:23,844 --> 01:39:25,360 >> [laughter] 2381 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,680 >> Are there any other issues, council 2382 01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,800 members, that come to mind before we 2383 01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,440 adjourn? 2384 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,200 >> Thanks for being with us. We sure 2385 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:33,920 appreciate it. 2386 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,480 >> Yes, Mayor McCalister and I we talked 2387 01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:37,520 the first day where we said this would 2388 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,400 be really great 2389 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,960 um to just get together. Our cities are 2390 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,080 we're sister cities and our relationship 2391 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,680 is wonderful and 2392 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:46,680 um 2393 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,870 I would love to do this periodically. 2394 01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,760 » Hopefully sooner next time so we don't 2395 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,520 have list quite so big to do. 2396 01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,904 >> I know it's been I think it's been 2397 01:39:57,904 --> 01:39:58,040 >> [clears throat] 2398 01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,720 >> like 5 6 years. 2399 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,080 That's what maybe at least once a year 2400 01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,110 or 2401 01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:07,200 That would be great. We'll see. That's 2402 01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:08,640 noted. 2403 01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:09,200 Staff. 2404 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:11,830 >> Thank you. 2405 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,800 » I guess we need to vote on this. 2406 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:15,160 >> Sure. 2407 01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:16,480 >> So moved. 2408 01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:17,600 >> Thank you. 2409 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:21,400 >> Aye.