[1:59] Mhm.
[3:50] » Black sesame water.
[3:51] >> Here's special order.
[3:52] >> Wow.
[3:53] >> So, just want to make sure it's
[9:37] » Worm City Council and Lehi City Council,
[9:40] welcome.
[9:41] I've asked um
[9:43] Council member Chris Kilpack if he would
[9:45] offer a blessing on the food and an
[9:47] invocation.
[9:54] » Heavenly Father, we're mindful of our
[9:56] blessings this day as we've met in this
[9:58] combined council meeting
[10:00] to deliberate over those items that will
[10:02] bless and benefit our communities.
[10:05] We're thankful for the opportunity to
[10:07] serve
[10:08] in ways that will lift and strengthen
[10:10] citizens and those who live in our midst
[10:14] to uh provide
[10:16] those basic services and also
[10:18] opportunities to
[10:19] provide a
[10:21] lifestyle of uh joy and happiness within
[10:23] community and outreach.
[10:26] We're thankful for the
[10:28] food that's been prepared that might
[10:29] provide us energy and nourishment and
[10:31] pray that it will do so.
[10:33] We open this time under the and ask that
[10:35] care and keeping spirit will abide with
[10:37] us that we might deliberate in ways that
[10:39] will strengthen
[10:40] our bonds of unity together in these
[10:42] communities
[10:43] and also help us to go forth and uh helped in every way to move forward
[10:49] those important goals that we each have.
[10:52] We ask for thy blessing in the name of
[10:53] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[10:56] >> Thank you, Council members.
[10:58] What I'd like to do because
[11:00] I'm
[11:01] got to be refreshed with names here. If
[11:03] we can just go around and introduce
[11:05] ourselves and say what what brings you
[11:07] here?
[11:09] We'll go ahead and start right here and
[11:10] just go over with
[11:12] >> An invitation.
[11:13] left.
[11:15] >> Gunner Jacobson, I'm on the Lehi City
[11:17] Council and apparently I chose this seat
[11:19] with just one person on this side. It's
[11:21] [clears throat] not that I'm antisocial.
[11:22] I just have
[11:23] >> I said I guess I'm
[11:24] Uh that's it.
[11:26] >> If we
[11:27] >> Welcome here. We're We can bring some
[11:28] people up next to you.
[11:30] >> [laughter]
[11:32] >> And then we have our It like Teresa's
[11:33] busy and Teresa's our city recorder.
[11:37] And Bradley Day is our
[11:39] He's helping Teresa. He's Oh, I Bradley,
[11:42] I can't remember your new title. I'm so
[11:44] sorry.
[11:44] >> I'm the sustainability officer.
[11:46] >> Okay, thank you.
[11:47] All right.
[11:48] >> I'm Cole Wholey, Linden City Council.
[11:51] I'm Kawi, the Linden City Administrator.
[11:55] Steve Stewart, Linden City Council.
[11:57] Van Broderick, Linden City Council.
[12:00] Chris Kilpack, Orem City Council.
[12:02] >> Crystal Mielsteen, Orem City Council.
[12:05] Lenny Millet, City Council.
[12:08] >> I'm Andy Orem City Manager.
[12:10] >> I'm Karen McCandless, I'm Orem City
[12:12] Treasurer.
[12:13] >> I'm Lyn Berggren.
[12:14] >> Thank you. Karen McCandless.
[12:16] >> Orem City Mayor.
[12:18] >> I'm Quinn Mecham, Orem City Council.
[12:20] Jeff Lambson, Orem City Council.
[12:23] >> Dan Gale, Orem City Council.
[12:25] >> Let's Let's go ahead and catch the
[12:26] people around the edges of the room as
[12:28] well.
[12:29] >> Hello, Mark.
[12:30] >> City Engineer.
[12:31] >> Juan Garrido, Public Works Director.
[12:35] >> Reed Price, the Public Utilities
[12:36] Director.
[12:38] >> Gary Gygi, Community Development
[12:39] Director.
[12:40] >> Ryan Farquhar, Orem Assistant City
[12:42] Manager.
[12:43] >> BJ Robinson, Chief of Police, Orem.
[12:46] >> Mike Brown, Orem City Attorney.
[12:54] » Bryce Merrill, Community Services
[12:56] Director, Orem.
[12:57] >> Mike Clines, Orem City Engineer.
[13:00] >> And you're welcome. All of you to our
[13:03] meeting today.
[13:05] And go ahead and get started. Um item
[13:08] number 1.1, we're going to move
[13:11] down a little bit until uh Terry Rugg,
[13:13] our Deputy City Manager, arrives.
[13:16] And she's running a
[13:17] She's got another commitment, she's
[13:19] running a little bit late. So, we're
[13:20] going to go ahead and go to item 1.2,
[13:23] which is a discussion about the renewal
[13:25] of the fire EMS services. And so, I'm
[13:28] going to turn the time over to our one
[13:31] of our chief Mark Sanderson.
[13:33] >> Here.
[13:35] I appreciate the time and the volume you
[13:37] guys have put together to to two-page,
[13:39] three-page sheet here that has got some
[13:41] bullet points
[13:42] really
[13:43] buying not only our relationship with
[13:45] the services we've provided.
[13:48] Second, the back page of that is the
[13:49] current
[13:51] employee staff organization.
[13:54] And then I've attached I've attached
[13:56] this uh
[13:58] sheet
[13:59] that is in reference to NFPA 1710, which
[14:02] is the staffing requirements of the
[14:03] calls.
[14:05] So, if I can just start at the top, I
[14:07] just want to
[14:08] express how grateful I am for our
[14:11] long-term partnership.
[14:13] Um I've been more impressed over the
[14:15] last 6 years, specifically the last
[14:17] three,
[14:18] how the relationship has improved from
[14:21] uh administrative
[14:24] perspective.
[14:25] The relationship, I think the
[14:26] transparency between
[14:28] Brendan and Adam, amazing. The level of
[14:31] trust that we've developed
[14:34] in the
[14:35] last couple of years, I think is
[14:37] significant to why we are able to
[14:40] relationship with the company.
[14:42] Uh
[14:43] our fire operations, I think one of our
[14:45] the highlights with One of Fire is that
[14:48] we're one of the only departments in the
[14:50] state that actually have operating
[14:53] manuals. How we operate our truck, how
[14:55] we operate our engines. And then we
[14:57] recently developed a command manual so
[14:59] that
[15:00] benefit we have with our people is when
[15:02] they show up on the call, they just go
[15:03] to work. Most fire departments pull up
[15:05] at the emergency and stage and wait for
[15:07] an assignment from a battalion chief or
[15:10] first arriving captain, where we
[15:13] created seat assignments and actual
[15:15] manuals. And guys get off the uh
[15:18] engines and the out of the ambulances
[15:20] and they go right to work. Whether the
[15:22] town chief knows what they're doing. Not
[15:23] waiting and delaying further property
[15:26] loss or harm to life. And so, very proud
[15:29] of what the guys have
[15:31] accomplished with our manuals. Our
[15:33] critical care program, that next bullet,
[15:35] it is the only one in the state. And a
[15:37] lot of companies claim
[15:39] to have critical care programs, but
[15:43] they
[15:44] just don't. It's all title. There's 17
[15:47] different vari- varia-
[15:49] variances that we have on top of all of
[15:52] our operating medical guidelines.
[15:55] That is through a strong partnership
[15:57] with Dr. Vorup. He's our medical control
[15:59] doctor in Timpanogos.
[16:00] We run a critical care squad, which is
[16:02] two It's basically a It's a helicopter
[16:05] responding in a in a pickup truck
[16:08] with helicopter-trained paramedics. And
[16:11] so,
[16:13] we're very proud of that.
[16:15] They are the busiest
[16:17] apparatus in the city. They run Lindon,
[16:20] Vineyard, and Orem's critical
[16:23] care calls.
[16:25] Chief, it's kind of like Life Flight in
[16:27] an ambulance.
[16:29] Some of you know my history, but I flew
[16:31] for Life Flight. I was nurse manager at
[16:33] Life Flight.
[16:36] The nine years I was flying
[16:39] as a Life Flight paramedic, I was always
[16:41] so frustrated when it was a warm warm or
[16:44] a cold drug overdose, I couldn't take
[16:46] care of the patients and provide the
[16:47] level of care that I was trained to
[16:49] provide
[16:50] because it was
[16:52] a flight agency versus a municipality.
[16:54] And so, we've basically taken the whole
[16:56] flight
[16:57] curriculum and brought it to our
[17:00] paramedic program. Since then, there's
[17:03] Well, there are a couple of registered
[17:05] nurses. I mean, we have one of those
[17:06] within our organization, and it just
[17:08] gives our EMS that much more ability.
[17:13] I think one of the biggest things I'm
[17:14] the One of the
[17:16] things that talked with more than
[17:18] anybody who was just the staffing level
[17:20] of whom I had a
[17:22] fact sheet
[17:23] that is the NFPA 1710. Orem is currently
[17:26] staffing all of our stations with four
[17:30] people on a fire engine and two people
[17:32] on an ambulance.
[17:33] And so I just left a conversation with
[17:36] Vineyard that were increasing their
[17:38] staff and they have the same questions
[17:40] and concerns of
[17:42] Why can't we just bump to four and not
[17:44] go to five? And we have to go to five.
[17:46] Why the push for six?
[17:49] Because of those fixed costs
[17:51] that
[17:56] five or six
[17:58] Orem or Lindon currently staffs five of our station. My request is that
[18:03] last year a few years ago
[18:06] Lindon
[18:07] provided a fifth ambulance and we've
[18:08] been staffed with conversations which
[18:10] was huge to our operations. And then as
[18:13] we're looking to contract, when we do
[18:15] our contract, the ask is going to be to
[18:17] move to that sixth um position
[18:24] This right This fact sheet has some of
[18:25] that background. Really what it does is
[18:28] it allows us to run more than two
[18:30] apparatus out of Lindon when it's fully
[18:32] staffed. We have the option to run two
[18:33] ambulances and the fire engine.
[18:36] One board is a resource that we feel
[18:38] like is
[18:40] a fair level
[18:41] service provided to the community
[18:43] and so
[18:45] part of our partnership and relationship
[18:48] is not doing more for Orem than we'd
[18:50] ever do for Lindon and Vineyard.
[18:53] That comes with a staffing increase to
[18:54] the need and so that's the ask and
[18:57] that's the push.
[18:59] And of course we run paramedics on our
[19:01] ambulances
[19:02] and that provides just a fair level of
[19:04] the highest level outside of our
[19:06] critical care.
[19:10] all of our medical calls.
[19:14] » Next bullet point, the state of the art
[19:15] training facility. This was something
[19:17] that
[19:18] Or has been lacking forever and through
[19:22] this Marine Council and continued Marine
[19:25] Council with this
[19:28] We were just about to cut a ribbon on
[19:30] this facility. It's just about done.
[19:31] You'll all get an invite. This I
[19:33] hopefully this next month to come and
[19:35] tour this
[19:36] facility. It's It's several different
[19:38] buildings
[19:39] and it makes up every single
[19:43] configuration that the municipal
[19:45] department is garden style, mid-hall,
[19:49] multiple stories into these training
[19:52] facilities. We
[19:53] actually predicted what's currently the
[19:57] responses into landing department.
[20:00] We can go train and mimic what we're
[20:03] actually going to respond on versus a
[20:05] lot of the
[20:06] common X type structures that are not
[20:09] interchangeable. We have 16 rooms that
[20:11] we can burn to 1,800 degrees, which is
[20:15] real life fire. Um
[20:18] This training facility actually puts
[20:20] Salt Lake City and UFA's training center
[20:22] to shame. It's really amazing what we
[20:25] have here locally.
[20:27] >> What I learned being
[20:28] at Orum Fest when I was visiting with
[20:30] you guys was that they can adjust the
[20:32] temperature. He says 1,800 degrees they
[20:34] can go in and
[20:36] very specific types of fires and
[20:38] situations. So it isn't like you just go
[20:40] in and set something on fire and
[20:43] Oh, but best there's a lot of
[20:45] technology.
[20:46] >> There's a lot of thought put into this.
[20:48] So we're super excited about it.
[20:53] » I think the biggest
[20:56] most beneficial thing for our taxpayer
[20:58] constituents is just the economy of
[21:00] scale.
[21:02] Um everybody's costs in all three cities
[21:04] are reduced
[21:06] out of our ship and that's a point that
[21:10] all can speak.
[21:11] community that is benefiting. And the
[21:15] one thing we have
[21:16] Adams, we looked to bring you on
[21:19] contract.
[21:20] is
[21:23] recommend and suggest
[21:26] It's fully the board and Logan is doing
[21:27] it is checking with other cities.
[21:29] Even if they're apples to apples, what
[21:32] we provide
[21:34] because
[21:35] What type of services you could do it
[21:37] cheaper.
[21:38] It just wouldn't have the same level of
[21:39] service.
[21:40] Same quality of employee or operations
[21:43] may paramedic perspective. And so
[21:46] I
[21:48] being the best
[21:51] owning and having actual tangible
[21:54] manuals, apparatus, training facilities
[21:59] I'll put us right up there and challenge
[22:00] any department in the state, even the
[22:02] western United States
[22:04] um with our operations.
[22:06] Didn't want to say that what the
[22:07] additional benefit to this training
[22:08] facility is we spend
[22:11] 10, 20, we've spent $30,000
[22:14] several years sending guys to
[22:16] conferences.
[22:18] They are brought back and helped us
[22:19] develop these
[22:21] engine and truck and command manuals.
[22:23] We'll be able to now host these
[22:25] conferences in this training facility
[22:28] versus sending our people to it.
[22:30] We have an affiliate or affiliate with
[22:33] Fire Nuggets, which is a national
[22:34] organization that
[22:37] most
[22:38] the large conferences are put on by
[22:40] them. We'll be hosting them here. So we
[22:43] have
[22:45] revenue generating facility that will
[22:48] just increase the level of expertise of
[22:50] our people.
[22:52] Um
[22:55] The strong relationship we have with the
[22:57] PD, I I love Chief Brower. He's the
[23:00] first one to send me emails on medical
[23:03] calls, fire responses in the Lyndon. He points out the relationship with his
[23:08] officers and how our paramedic and
[23:10] firefighters work together. And so she
[23:13] thanks for always writing those
[23:15] commendations. It goes a long way with
[23:17] our guys to know that relationship is so
[23:19] strong.
[23:21] >> And then of course we're we're currently
[23:22] working through the dispatch.
[23:25] All organizations are linked
[23:27] through dispatch. And then our fire
[23:29] contract, just one more aspect there.
[23:33] We're trying to reduce costs for both
[23:35] Orem and Lyndon through dispatch
[23:37] negotiations right now.
[23:38] And there's just more power in numbers
[23:41] and so I don't want to lose that
[23:42] relationship.
[23:44] And then one of the biggest things we do
[23:45] after the range fire, which just
[23:47] happened to be my first fire in Orem as
[23:50] the chief, after finishing a 100-mile
[23:52] race, I come around the mountain on the
[23:54] Pony Express trail and saw the mountain
[23:56] on fire and
[23:57] I thought that's a bad fire. I prayed
[24:00] that it something different, but it
[24:02] wasn't. And since then we have done a
[24:06] few mitigations. We have a statewide
[24:08] recognized wildland team that works
[24:12] every year
[24:13] along the East Bench, Lyndon, Orem's
[24:15] East Bench,
[24:17] phragmites down in Vineyard. We're doing
[24:19] a ton of required work.
[24:23] We over We always exceed the small
[24:26] dollar amount mitigation what the state
[24:28] requires above and beyond just to make
[24:31] sure that all our communities are
[24:32] protected.
[24:34] So with that, do you have specific
[24:36] questions I'm happy to Did you address?
[24:39] I don't know.
[24:40] Do you have any Do you have any
[24:41] questions?
[24:46] Okay.
[24:49] » Yes, so you mentioned I feel Orem and
[24:52] Lyndon
[24:53] are a great It's kind of going to be a
[24:55] scale or trifecta, I like to call it.
[24:58] Um
[25:00] have other communities ever asked or
[25:02] would you anticipate them
[25:04] asking for you to provide services and
[25:07] would you share it or do you
[25:09] consider the area you cover now
[25:12] your ideal?
[25:13] >> Yeah.
[25:14] >> I think you should always be open to
[25:17] providing a higher level service
[25:20] communities at a reduced cost to the
[25:22] taxpayer. Or
[25:24] and I think that I mean we haven't had a
[25:26] discussion but there's lots of rumors
[25:27] right now because they just hired three
[25:30] paramedics from Pleasant Grove.
[25:33] So of course there's some talk that City
[25:36] of Pleasant Grove which there hasn't
[25:38] been any conversation about that. Um
[25:41] or numbers provided but I feel like
[25:44] contractual basis or relationship basis
[25:48] would make sense.
[25:50] I live in Pleasant Grove and I wished
[25:53] my wife would move to Lehi or because of
[25:55] level of service we get here or Lindon
[25:57] or Vineyard.
[25:58] She just can't get her to move.
[26:00] >> Right.
[26:00] >> So I'm hoping I'm hoping over the next
[26:03] few years especially make a huge
[26:06] step
[26:06] and just step up and get
[26:08] >> Pleasant Grove might
[26:10] >> Well
[26:11] >> there's been conversations. I don't know
[26:13] how
[26:14] I was just curious.
[26:15] >> Well I think the benefits we all
[26:16] recognize
[26:19] value and economy of scale
[26:22] level service.
[26:23] So
[26:24] I don't think I don't want to put words
[26:26] in your mouth Brenda but would be open
[26:28] to entertain anything that's nice.
[26:31] At least a higher level service.
[26:32] >> Not speaking for Pleasant Grove just
[26:34] saying
[26:34] >> I understand.
[26:35] >> a couple conversations about questions.
[26:39] » We just emphasize that
[26:41] whatever we do we wouldn't want any
[26:44] single city
[26:46] to be subsidized by the others or we
[26:48] feel
[26:50] perception of subsidized. So Chief said,
[26:53] um,
[26:54] "You'd have to be willing to
[26:56] want to come up to our
[26:58] service that we provide.
[27:00] And then, also we're
[27:02] not interested in in service provider
[27:05] and customer relationships. We're
[27:07] interested in partnerships.
[27:10] Chief talked about 3 years ago,
[27:13] we wanted to proactively show our desire
[27:17] for partnership.
[27:18] Uh, and level footing partnership by
[27:21] adding the names of Vineyard and Linder
[27:23] to our badge and to all of our uniforms and
[27:28] trucks and ambulances and stuff. And And
[27:30] now, it's not just for show. That's
[27:34] to true partnership.
[27:36] Have it be
[27:37] We wanted to come across genuine.
[27:40] We want to be the best together.
[27:44] » When Councilwoman
[27:45] >> Well, I was just going to just
[27:48] an example of your level of service. I
[27:50] had a friend who had a widowmaker heart
[27:54] and your guys were there in 2 minutes
[27:56] and saved his life.
[27:58] So, that's the level of service. That's
[28:00] the reward. That's the saving of the
[28:03] lives and the and the ability that these
[28:06] men have, all the training, all that
[28:08] they go through
[28:10] to be there in that moment to make that
[28:12] difference for that family. And we have
[28:14] stories, you know, people come before
[28:15] this City Council, lots of different
[28:17] experiences like that. And I am so
[28:20] amazed. You're watching the TV show,
[28:22] right? But this is real life. This is
[28:24] not a TV show. And you guys are at that
[28:26] level. So, I just wanted to kind of,
[28:29] you know, mention that and say when we
[28:31] talk about supporting our police and our
[28:33] fire and the costs, personnel costs,
[28:37] they are worth every dime, my opinion,
[28:40] because of the the lives that you save
[28:42] and the influence you have on our
[28:43] community and Vineyard.
[28:45] >> It's true.
[28:46] And
[28:48] a single
[28:49] and then that engine [clears throat] who
[28:50] have one station in
[28:52] beauty as soon as that station is out
[28:55] without an increased level of staff. You
[28:57] wouldn't need to take them all. Take
[28:59] four of six
[29:01] and leave an ambulance behind cuz
[29:03] statistically 75% of our calls are EMS.
[29:06] Makes sense to have
[29:08] ambulance readily
[29:11] and then the same level of service when
[29:13] that London station is busy. The forums
[29:16] coming in to back that a call versus
[29:19] Pleasant Grove who doesn't provide a
[29:21] critical care paramedic program same
[29:23] level
[29:24] insurance so
[29:26] each time we
[29:27] all on the same page with the levels of
[29:29] service we provide, I think it's
[29:32] wise to between wise.
[29:35] >> I think you see and appreciate
[29:38] Councilman Millett's comment cuz
[29:40] Chief and I maybe get a little bit too
[29:41] bureaucratic talking about level of
[29:43] service delivery. It really
[29:46] genuinely is about saving lives. Bring
[29:49] that
[29:51] >> We significantly reduced the property
[29:53] damage because of our response and our
[29:56] aggressive fire fighting and engine and
[29:59] truck engines. The guys just go to work.
[30:02] Every minute the size of the fire
[30:04] doubles
[30:05] and
[30:05] >> [clears throat]
[30:06] >> it doesn't take long to fully engulf an
[30:08] entire house 6
[30:10] and 12 minutes and burn the whole thing
[30:13] down and
[30:14] we are historically at least the last
[30:16] two years we're having most fires out in
[30:18] that frame is where operations. Very seldom are we
[30:24] ever on scene of a structure fire over
[30:27] 60 minutes and that's from start to
[30:28] finish clean up
[30:30] back in service.
[30:32] There's a lot of jurisdictions that
[30:34] spend hours on it.
[30:36] Single story residential fires.
[30:40] >> Which as of you once again finish this
[30:42] you know, shout out. As of your level of
[30:44] service, we are just so close to getting
[30:46] a designation that allows each of our
[30:49] property owners to get a discount on
[30:51] their insurance on their homes. We're
[30:53] just this close to getting that. So,
[30:55] >> Yeah, an ISO rating that's higher, well,
[30:58] we're actually um it's all involved. The
[31:00] lower the score, the better.
[31:02] Um
[31:03] I I always have hesitated to talk ISO
[31:05] when it comes to insurance
[31:07] because
[31:08] it could reduce your insurance. And it
[31:11] does anywhere from 6 to 12%.
[31:14] On a home or or a business.
[31:16] But it all depends on the individual
[31:18] insurance company. They all use a
[31:19] different But if we have if we secure
[31:21] the numbers, I think it's one of those
[31:23] major components. Training facility is
[31:25] another component. The locations of
[31:27] departments or of stations
[31:30] makes a difference.
[31:33] We will reduce our ISO rating
[31:35] next evaluation by at least two numbers.
[31:38] I don't know if the the value to go to a
[31:40] level one ISO rating, which is Salt Lake
[31:42] City,
[31:44] couple of them departments in the state,
[31:46] very few.
[31:47] Um
[31:48] I don't know if the dollar's worth
[31:50] getting there is worth the return on
[31:51] investment.
[31:52] Uh that's what we're reviewing right now.
[31:57] To go to a two,
[31:59] there should be no reason why we can't
[32:00] be an ISO rating two. It's really
[32:02] impressive.
[32:04] Thanks for bringing that up, Bonnie.
[32:06] >> Let me just bear in mind, council
[32:09] members, I want to express the staff
[32:10] here um my appreciation for the trust
[32:13] you have in us as Orem. As I know I know
[32:16] that you care very deeply about your
[32:18] community and you trust in the trust you
[32:21] have for Orem in Orem to help provide
[32:24] these crucial services to to your
[32:27] residents as well. And so, we're
[32:28] grateful very grateful for the
[32:30] partnership that we have with you. So,
[32:33] I just want to express my appreciation.
[32:35] If there's not anything else, um Cherry
[32:38] has arrived and so we'll go back to item
[32:41] 1.1, a discussion about dispatch
[32:43] provider overview. So, I'll turn that
[32:45] over to Adam Cowie and Cherry Orchard.
[32:49] >> You think the lead out?
[32:50] >> Yes.
[32:52] >> Um so,
[32:54] currently we are cities jointly contract
[32:57] with
[32:58] Provo City through the Metro Emergency
[33:01] Communications there in the dispatch
[33:03] center.
[33:04] Um
[33:06] and
[33:07] recently the the cities
[33:10] were
[33:11] delivered a notice of a significant
[33:13] increase in fees
[33:15] and
[33:16] so, we started looking at some
[33:18] alternative options just to see what was
[33:20] available.
[33:22] That's
[33:24] a joint
[33:26] Central 911,
[33:28] which is a a central regional provider
[33:30] of dispatch services for all of Utah and
[33:34] Juab and San Martin.
[33:36] It serves about 29 other cities.
[33:40] Um some of the things that we've got as
[33:42] we're
[33:43] through this process
[33:45] of evaluating options
[33:47] at a high level at least
[33:51] is certainly costs,
[33:53] um but also partnership
[33:55] is is a big issue.
[33:57] We've had this
[33:59] prior discussion about our partnership
[34:01] between the cities that's something that
[34:02] we're hoping for as we
[34:04] uh look at these dispatch services that we have a seat at the table
[34:09] as a voice in that in our
[34:11] interlocal
[34:12] dispatch and so,
[34:14] we have a follow-up meeting actually
[34:16] tomorrow with Provo City that we'll be
[34:18] discussing more of this with them.
[34:21] Um
[34:23] some some other issues there. Um
[34:28] It it looks like right now if we were to
[34:31] make a shift to Central,
[34:34] it didn't would save both cities
[34:36] financially. We would
[34:38] uh several hundred thousands per year.
[34:41] And so,
[34:42] uh that's a big decision that we would
[34:45] flush out further and then bring to the
[34:47] sort of final decision.
[34:50] And what's the only thing that
[34:51] >> Yeah, the only thing that I would add is
[34:53] that when uh we decided to merge with
[34:57] Provo at the time, we uh entered into an
[35:00] agreement in 2022 to become an inter to
[35:03] work toward an interlocal agreement
[35:05] where we would have equal power as a
[35:08] board and that the dispatch employees
[35:10] would would be employees of Metro
[35:13] Dispatch. Um during that time, there was
[35:16] a lot of turnover between Orem and Provo
[35:18] administrations, so that was lost in
[35:21] translation. And Provo
[35:23] uh
[35:24] you know, has said they're not
[35:25] interested in an interlocal. They can
[35:27] leave with us tomorrow and then I'll
[35:29] uh see whether or not they are more
[35:32] inclined to go in that direction, but I
[35:34] am not really confident that we will be
[35:35] moving that way. So,
[35:37] um
[35:39] not having the ability and the control
[35:42] over necessary items is is there for us.
[35:45] If we continue down this path, we are
[35:47] more of a customer of Provo rather than
[35:49] equal partners. And that is our concern.
[35:55] All right.
[35:57] can I just add one point on dispatch?
[36:00] >> Sure. Um
[36:01] >> And then Quinn.
[36:02] >> Yeah, I had the conversation with that
[36:03] and then it's regarding could Linden go
[36:06] to Central to save the money if we were
[36:08] to stay. And we're so tied in with our
[36:11] fire contract, it'll be impossible to
[36:13] dispatch the same fire department out of
[36:15] two systems. And so, feel like that's
[36:17] why this relationship is so important
[36:19] and we're all on the same page to reduce
[36:21] the overall cost for our taxpayers, but also receive the level of dispatch
[36:26] service that
[36:28] you
[36:29] think should be part of it. So, the
[36:31] relationship is strong just because of
[36:32] that need with a split of East Fork Fire
[36:36] and Lehi.
[36:39] » Um that's Adam and Carrie. I have just a
[36:42] couple of follow-up questions.
[36:44] Um one, what what's on the agenda
[36:47] meeting with Provo?
[36:49] Um and what what does a successful
[36:50] meeting look like?
[36:53] Uh two, what have they said in terms of
[36:56] justification for the significant fee
[36:59] increase? And I guess third,
[37:03] uh
[37:05] what are the implications for being
[37:07] treated like a customer rather than a
[37:08] partner? And um how does that impact us
[37:11] negatively?
[37:14] >> Three minutes starting
[37:15] >> Okay. All right. Starting with number
[37:17] one, remind [clears throat] me what that
[37:18] is.
[37:18] >> Agenda tomorrow.
[37:19] >> The agenda tomorrow. Tomorrow, it is
[37:21] just a um ad hoc meeting with the with
[37:24] the board to discuss uh we asked Provo
[37:27] to come back with any other kind of
[37:30] recommendations that they would have to
[37:31] continue the partnership.
[37:33] Um and so we're waiting to hear from
[37:35] them. They know where we stand. Uh they
[37:38] would prefer that we're just a customer.
[37:40] Uh the biggest issue we see in that is
[37:42] that
[37:43] they get to control the entire budget.
[37:46] They get to control how many channels we
[37:47] have. Right now, Mark was on the
[37:49] fire channel, and it was in their
[37:52] budgetary process, but was cut, and we
[37:54] didn't have any say
[37:55] in their budget process whether or not
[37:57] we got that extra channel. Um we don't
[38:00] get to control how much they pay their
[38:01] staff or what kind of policies they have
[38:03] in place to manage their staff. So,
[38:06] those are some of the biggest issues
[38:08] that we have. The reason why they came
[38:10] back to us with a big increase is that
[38:12] they
[38:13] uh said that they weren't charging us
[38:16] correctly for their administrative
[38:17] overhead.
[38:18] So, and Brandon, maybe you can give a
[38:21] little more insight to that, but it was
[38:23] like IT expenses, HR,
[38:26] some [clears throat]
[38:28] equipment expenses that they hadn't
[38:29] accounted for previously.
[38:32] Do you have anything to add to that,
[38:33] Brandon?
[38:33] >> I mean, it was primarily IT-related.
[38:37] » Um and at the time, sorry, and at the
[38:39] time when they brought that to us, I
[38:41] said, "This is a big, significant
[38:43] increase. Are we still moving towards an
[38:46] interlocal?" Because that was our
[38:47] understanding. And I'm okay with one
[38:50] year with an
[38:51] increase if we're still moving towards
[38:53] an interlocal because then we would have
[38:55] greater control later. And I said, "Is
[38:57] there any way that we can
[38:59] prorate this for this first year?"
[39:01] Because it was a mid-year adjustment
[39:02] that we didn't budget for. And um there
[39:05] was not really much of an interest on
[39:07] their side
[39:08] to make that
[39:12] I would say though, when we did meet in
[39:14] our last meeting,
[39:15] um
[39:16] the mayor of Provo was very, very kind,
[39:19] understood the situation that we were
[39:20] in. Neither cities wanted to disrupt any
[39:24] positive momentum we have with our
[39:26] neighboring city. Um and we we all
[39:29] understood that this was just a
[39:30] financial decision for us.
[39:34] >> So, if you move to Central, would we
[39:36] have more of an interlocal partnership?
[39:38] And say on the budget, what would that
[39:40] look like?
[39:40] >> Yes, so if we do move to Central, we
[39:45] um I was probable that we'd give them a
[39:47] response at date. So, our intent would
[39:49] be unless we can move towards an
[39:50] interlocal extended sunset date would be
[39:52] June 30th of 2027, and we would move
[39:58] And you would have a say on the budget.
[40:01] Every city that is part of Central is on
[40:05] the managing board. All the employees of
[40:07] Central
[40:10] So, but have say.
[40:13] » So, assuming this is is a just a general
[40:16] assumption, but assuming that the
[40:19] effectiveness of coverage
[40:21] uh
[40:22] timing of
[40:24] response, that all of that would still
[40:26] be at the same level that it is
[40:28] currently or possibly better
[40:31] than where we're at now.
[40:33] >> Yeah, I would I would defer to the
[40:34] chiefs. They They have more experience
[40:36] with Central.
[40:38] >> I can I can just
[40:40] I would be happy to go to
[40:42] the whole circus that we're
[40:44] anticipating.
[40:46] >> Same question.
[40:47] >> I'll just I'll just add
[40:50] there
[40:51] uh we've learned that some of the
[40:53] dispatchers that used to be Warm
[40:55] dispatchers are now at Central.
[40:58] >> Yes, nine of the dispatchers Oh, sorry,
[40:59] Brian. Nine of the dispatchers,
[41:01] including their dispatch managers,
[41:03] >> their over dispatch
[41:05] >> are former Warm ProQA dispatchers.
[41:07] >> I mean
[41:08] >> Warm.
[41:10] >> Can I just add that Central dispatch
[41:11] uses um
[41:15] ProQA, which is a
[41:17] national system, a verified system to
[41:20] dispatch medical and fire units.
[41:23] Standard questions that are utilized in
[41:26] ProQA, which is a different version of
[41:28] that that
[41:30] >> [clears throat]
[41:30] >> doesn't doesn't reach the same level of
[41:33] expectation as we had
[41:35] >> on Warm dispatchers when we had our Warm
[41:37] dispatch centers.
[41:39] >> And because it's a system that's half
[41:40] the cost
[41:41] and
[41:43] it's it's not providing the level of
[41:46] service for EMS and fire that we need.
[41:50] » Having been familiar with the 911
[41:52] centers and the EOCs around the state,
[41:55] and having affiliated with installed all
[41:57] of the EOC 911 dispatch centers
[41:59] throughout the state,
[42:00] um Central, very familiar with also
[42:03] ProQA when they went in Marion. Um
[42:05] they're probably Central's one of the
[42:07] highest
[42:08] um
[42:10] as far as what they do to maintain their
[42:13] um
[42:14] serviceability and interactions with
[42:15] their local agencies.
[42:19] They're probably a better tier above
[42:21] what we're currently getting.
[42:23] Kind of it's cheaper. I know just from
[42:25] my personal experience being in their
[42:27] dispatch centers helping our teams
[42:29] install a lot of that. I mean, anyway.
[42:32] >> I have a question.
[42:36] Oh, wait. But you were raising your
[42:37] water bottle. Okay.
[42:38] >> I'm just kidding.
[42:40] >> I'll defer to that one.
[42:42] Two questions.
[42:44] If I'm remembering when we did this,
[42:46] Provo had just opened their city hall.
[42:48] They had their new facility. Did we add
[42:51] any infrastructure to that facility?
[42:54] >> We did pay some capital costs. Brandon,
[42:57] do you remember there
[42:58] >> for the equipment.
[43:00] >> And is it
[43:01] they're recognizing that or we is the
[43:04] I thought that was part of our inner
[43:05] local. I understand you're saying that
[43:06] it didn't turn out as we had
[43:08] >> We also We did get them some equip some
[43:12] dispatch equipment as well, some
[43:14] stations.
[43:15] So we did buy into the center somewhat.
[43:20] >> Some of them.
[43:21] >> They were really unaware of the
[43:22] agreement until our
[43:24] to for the most part until our last
[43:25] meeting and so I think that they wanted
[43:28] to go back and review everything. Where
[43:30] they came back to us tomorrow.
[43:31] >> My next question is kind of a silly one,
[43:33] but it was a big deal and it was
[43:36] you know, our dispatchers that we had in
[43:38] Orem when they would call
[43:41] for whatever it was, there would be some
[43:43] service that would
[43:44] big example would be for Jeff's probably
[43:46] who was on the council back then was the
[43:48] dog issue at Nelson's Grove.
[43:50] That was a big issue for the neighbors
[43:52] in that area and we had to kind of train
[43:55] the Provo dispatch to say that two have
[43:59] a different culture, you know, to be a
[44:00] culture of service.
[44:02] See when our residents called. And
[44:05] understanding of course that our our
[44:08] animal control was that was after 5:00
[44:10] they weren't necessarily there, but then
[44:12] our police would be so happy to help if
[44:14] they weren't doing other more important
[44:16] things. But, um my question is in the
[44:19] central, do we will we have that same
[44:21] control over cultural training
[44:24] the dispatchers there?
[44:27] >> That's a great question, and that's
[44:28] something we haven't discussed with with
[44:30] uh central, so I don't want to over
[44:32] promise.
[44:33] But, I know that they were very excited
[44:35] to have us on board. Um we would be the
[44:38] biggest agency part of central, and so
[44:42] um I do think that we have some power
[44:45] being
[44:46] create that culture. And again, their
[44:48] dispatch manager is our former manager
[44:51] over dispatch here. So,
[44:53] >> He was our
[44:54] >> one ask that I would put out there cuz
[44:55] there was an incident just uh 2 3 weeks
[44:58] ago where in uh someone had called the
[45:00] dispatch about one of our sprinklers
[45:02] that was it was a weekend and it was
[45:04] watering the pavement and broken had been already going for 12 hours and
[45:09] they this was on a Friday Saturday
[45:11] night, something like that. And they
[45:13] were told to wait till Monday. And
[45:14] something like that we would really want
[45:16] passed on to our public works cuz we're
[45:18] so responsive when we know about it. So,
[45:21] I would kind of like to have those types
[45:22] of issues
[45:24] part of this agreement if we can figure
[45:26] out how to route some of those
[45:28] non-emergency issues
[45:31] um so they can be taken care of
[45:34] 24/7 or, you know, maybe not 24/7, but
[45:37] you know what I'm saying.
[45:38] Responsive.
[45:39] >> I I've added that to the list, and then
[45:41] when we go into the negotiation for our
[45:43] brief, we'll make sure that
[45:46] » I I think just to be fair to Aaron and
[45:49] Becky who work in the dispatch center,
[45:51] they're very supportive and very
[45:52] responsive. Just like B.J. and I,
[45:56] they
[45:57] work
[45:57] in the administration. And so, a lot of
[46:00] things we ask for,
[46:02] they could and would be willing to do,
[46:04] but they can't because of
[46:07] leadership. And so, it's not necessarily
[46:09] the managers of the special service
[46:11] themselves.
[46:12] It's just the the system.
[46:15] They've been They've been very happy to
[46:17] allow us to work with them.
[46:20] >> I think this I think to summarize our intent in this is seeing this as an
[46:24] opportunity for good, better, best.
[46:27] When we did dispatch in Orm, I think it
[46:30] was good. I think we've done things
[46:32] better with Provo, but we have an
[46:33] opportunity here to get
[46:35] the best, uh to have an even higher
[46:38] level of service at a less expensive
[46:41] cost.
[46:42] I think I think we have a good enough
[46:44] relationship with Provo to go about this
[46:47] in a way where it won't harm the
[46:49] relationship with them and that there
[46:51] will be other ways to partner and interact and work
[46:55] together
[46:57] as well. So, far, we're really optimistic. Um one example to Council Member Quinn
[47:05] Meekam's point uh about uh cost and how we might save. Um
[47:12] uh
[47:12] in our partnership with Linden for fire
[47:15] and EMS, we look at the difference every
[47:19] year between what we budget versus what
[47:22] our actual expenses come in.
[47:24] And and there's there's always a
[47:26] difference there, right? And we look at
[47:27] that and then we provide a credit on the
[47:30] difference the following
[47:32] Well,
[47:33] so that's the difference between
[47:34] customer and partnership, right? And
[47:38] um
[47:40] we haven't heard interest in Provo to to
[47:44] provide that same kind of level of
[47:46] partnership that uh we think Central
[47:49] would be willing to consider.
[47:53] » Do you know how many cities are on
[47:55] Central right now? I mean, and and does
[47:57] each
[47:57] >> 29 people.
[47:58] >> Does
[47:59] >> each city have one more member
[48:00] regardless of their size?
[48:02] Interesting.
[48:03] >> Yes.
[48:05] >> So, Orem would get one more member. Lehi
[48:07] would get one more
[48:08] member.
[48:10] Okay.
[48:11] >> [clears throat]
[48:12] >> Right, any other questions?
[48:15] Right. Thank you. And I will turn it
[48:17] over
[48:18] We'll go to item 1.3, our wastewater
[48:21] Excuse me, wastewater treatment facility
[48:22] upgrades and future costs. I'll turn the
[48:24] time over to
[48:26] our public utilities director, Reed
[48:27] Price.
[48:57] » Okay, to continue our
[48:59] the common theme of partnerships, uh
[49:02] we are partners in our the Orem Water
[49:05] Reclamation Facility.
[49:06] Um Orem treats
[49:09] uh 100% of Lehi's flow.
[49:12] Um we get about 9 million gallons per
[49:15] day that comes through our facility, and
[49:18] portion of that
[49:20] about 13% of it is is Lehi's.
[49:24] Um
[49:25] >> [clears throat]
[49:25] >> and uh we we produce an excellent water
[49:28] quality
[49:29] uh through our treatment process.
[49:31] Uh our flow goes through Powell's Slough
[49:33] and eventually makes its way to to Utah
[49:36] Lake.
[49:37] Uh many of you were involved [snorts] in
[49:39] the ribbon cutting that we had down
[49:41] there for the tertiary treatment plant
[49:42] where we
[49:45] remove phosphorus from the waste stream
[49:48] as directed by the
[49:50] um
[49:52] by the state of the state of Utah.
[49:56] Um the reason [clears throat] I'm here
[49:57] is to talk about our capital facilities
[49:59] plan. Uh we completed a
[50:02] uh review of all of the assets and
[50:05] equipment that we have in our water
[50:07] reclamation facility.
[50:09] Uh started uh early 2020 2021 and
[50:13] finalized it in 2022.
[50:16] Um and
[50:18] the
[50:19] reason we did that or the results of
[50:21] that, to to quote from it,
[50:24] uh
[50:25] it's very engineering speak, so um it
[50:29] these projects are driven by aging
[50:30] equipment and facilities, failure of
[50:33] older structures to meet current
[50:34] building and safety code requirements,
[50:36] inadequate process performance with
[50:38] respect to permitted effluent
[50:39] requirements, classification of
[50:41] biosolids for land application.
[50:43] So,
[50:45] uh as partners, we get to uh make sure
[50:47] that we address these in a in a timely
[50:49] fashion. Because this is a facility that
[50:51] we don't want
[50:54] uh
[50:55] This facilities plan again was uh
[50:57] completed in 2022. Orem incorporated it
[51:01] into their sewer master plan, which
[51:02] looked at the collection system
[51:05] uh in 2025.
[51:07] Uh it is a 20-year plan and it goes over
[51:10] four it's uh set of four phases. 2022
[51:14] was at $160 million. Uh
[51:16] a little Now we've looked at it closer,
[51:20] see that phase one um
[51:23] was originally expected to cost $58
[51:26] million
[51:27] and
[51:28] current estimates put it at about 88.8
[51:31] million dollars. This is largely due to
[51:34] inflationary uh
[51:36] pressures that we've experienced over
[51:38] the years. It's also some shuffling of
[51:40] projects where we bumped a phase two up
[51:42] and one down. So, it's it's not a true
[51:45] apples-to-apples comparison, however, it
[51:47] does give you good idea that yeah, these
[51:50] costs
[51:51] expensive to make the improvements that
[51:53] are needed at
[51:54] this facility.
[51:56] Phase one, this is what we're looking at
[51:58] in the next 5 years.
[52:00] Um you can see that we've got 10
[52:02] projects that are prioritized here.
[52:04] Uh and they total the construction cost
[52:08] is as uh
[52:10] the estimate is 88.8 million. We've got
[52:13] another $6.6 million in engineering fees
[52:16] uh that we will need to pay totaling
[52:18] 95.4
[52:20] million dollars in the next 5 years.
[52:23] >> Can I ask a question on that? How much
[52:25] of that is re
[52:27] is of government of the federal
[52:28] regulation?
[52:29] >> There there there's a there's a portion
[52:31] of it. If I was to guess
[52:33] uh
[52:34] I I would put it at
[52:36] 25 to 30%. Um we have an old older
[52:40] facility. Yes.
[52:42] Um and there are improvements that are that are needed.
[52:46] So, that's that's just a guess though.
[52:48] >> Thank you.
[52:49] >> It's We like to blame regulations and it
[52:53] that is a reason for many of it, but
[52:55] it's just like our cars get old point
[52:59] it needs some significant change.
[53:01] >> Thank you.
[53:02] >> So, the cost of distribution for this
[53:04] and looking at the overall cost
[53:07] including engineering,
[53:09] um contractually we have uh we have an
[53:11] agreement. Our partnership establishes a cost share. Uh Bren mentioned that at
[53:17] the end of the year we you go through a
[53:18] reconciliation of other services that we
[53:21] are partners in. We do the same thing
[53:22] here. We just split the cost to run the
[53:25] facility with you, with Lyndon, and also
[53:28] with with Vineyard. Orem's portion is
[53:30] 85.68%,
[53:32] Lyndon's 12.24, and Vineyard's 2.08. So,
[53:36] the price tag, the expected price tag
[53:38] for Orem is 81.8 million.
[53:42] Uh Lyndon will need to pay 11.7 and
[53:44] Vineyard almost 2 million of that price
[53:47] tag.
[53:49] How do we pay for that? Well,
[53:51] forum, uh, our plan is we need to
[53:55] finance it. We don't Believe it or not,
[53:56] we don't have 80 million dollars sitting
[53:58] in the bank. Um, we have been increasing
[54:00] rates slowly over the past 3 years
[54:03] uh, to to help pay for this and to help
[54:06] pay for
[54:07] a payment towards uh, financing that we
[54:11] will that we will have. So, we will be
[54:13] using a combination of financing and
[54:15] savings that we have on hand, fund
[54:17] balance, um, and savings
[54:19] based on these rate increases that we
[54:21] have uh, put in place over the past 2
[54:25] years.
[54:27] For Lyndon, you guys get to make this
[54:30] decision. As we've talked with
[54:32] uh, with Adam and Juan uh, in the past,
[54:35] uh,
[54:36] options are that you can um, you can pay
[54:39] up front.
[54:40] You did this for the tertiary treatment
[54:42] plant.
[54:43] Uh, tertiary treatment process. He said,
[54:46] "What if how much is it going to cost?"
[54:48] It was a 21 million dollars and so we
[54:50] gave you a bill for 12. Whatever that
[54:53] percentage was, 12.28%
[54:55] and that was paid paid in full.
[54:57] >> That's the water of the tertiary plant,
[54:59] the water reuse.
[55:00] >> Water reuse and phosphorus reuse.
[55:03] Um,
[55:04] and so this is a much larger price tag.
[55:07] I I doubt Adam has not said, "Oh, don't
[55:09] worry, we can cover that." So,
[55:11] um,
[55:16] » It's on the cards.
[55:17] >> I wish you would, Adam.
[55:21] » So, uh,
[55:23] another another thing that you could do
[55:24] is is to finance.
[55:27] And you could go out on your own and uh,
[55:31] get a bond and then make payments to us
[55:33] as the projects proceed.
[55:35] This is I don't think that's a very
[55:38] uh, efficient way to do things. Um Adam
[55:40] has approached us. Is there a way that
[55:42] we could just join in this bond and make
[55:44] payments to Orem and have agreed that would be acceptable um to uh just
[55:50] make payments on any financing that we
[55:53] receive. This was the model that was
[55:55] undertaken in 2012 uh when we had an
[55:58] expansion. Lyndon currently makes an
[56:01] annual payment to us to pay off uh a a a
[56:05] uh
[56:06] a a a loan that we received uh through
[56:09] the the uh through the state of Utah.
[56:12] Um
[56:14] >> Um I agree. Not only would it be
[56:16] inefficient, but Orem has had a triple
[56:20] ability to fund
[56:22] bond rating, and so
[56:24] um
[56:25] we can't get any better than that, and
[56:27] we can't get better interest rates than
[56:30] >> Good point. Uh and then the last uh So,
[56:35] we're bonding, you could pay for your
[56:37] portion of that bond. We're also paying
[56:40] with cash on hand that we have. You
[56:42] could pay us back for uh what we've
[56:45] saved. Basically, essentially have the
[56:48] Bank of Orem, where you would uh pay
[56:51] Orem back for their initial investment
[56:54] into this. So, those are those are what
[56:56] we have dreamed up. Uh the whole purpose
[56:59] of this discussion is is to make you
[57:01] aware that our wastewater treatment
[57:03] plant is aging. Uh there are federal
[57:06] regulations. We're partners, and there
[57:09] is a significant price uh significant
[57:12] price tag coming as these projects
[57:14] begin. Uh we are we have about uh 40
[57:19] million dollar 40 five uh about half of
[57:23] it already designed, ready to go. Um
[57:26] we're just waiting to pull the trigger
[57:28] on financing. Um and so this is starting
[57:34] this year.
[57:36] >> Good questions.
[57:38] So, I do. With this infrastructure,
[57:40] we're obviously building capacity for
[57:43] all of our
[57:44] projected build-out, correct?
[57:46] >> Actually, we already have the capacity that the facility needs, when you're
[57:52] speaking hydraulic hydraulically
[57:54] speaking. So, we can treat up to 15
[57:57] million gallons per day.
[57:58] Um, and we currently have received about
[58:01] nine. So, the tanks that we have, the
[58:04] processes that we have, are sized for
[58:07] build-out. But, there are other re-
[58:10] It's largely replacement and
[58:13] uh
[58:14] regulations.
[58:16] >> So, another question I have is the life
[58:18] of this infrastructure. Is it 50 years
[58:21] that you're investing in?
[58:23] >> Yeah, so,
[58:24] uh some of the um major improvements
[58:27] that we're doing
[58:29] um
[58:29] uh
[58:30] were constructed in the uh in the '80s.
[58:34] Um, we're not replacing them, we're
[58:36] re-outfitting them. So, yeah,
[58:39] most of the improvements that we're
[58:40] doing are going to be 50-year
[58:43] plus improvements.
[58:45] >> So, quick question. I noticed there's a
[58:47] you know, vineyards. Right now, you're
[58:49] basing it off of
[58:51] accounts served or are you basing it off
[58:53] of gallons coming into the system?
[58:56] >> Uh when you determine Linden's build-out
[58:58] figured
[58:58] >> My
[58:59] Adam might be
[59:02] weigh in if if you think I'm
[59:04] misspelling.
[59:05] Uh my understanding is that
[59:08] um
[59:09] that build-out conditions were
[59:11] >> I mean, there's there's a huge
[59:12] disparity. I mean, Linden's build-out is
[59:14] maybe 17,000 population. We're going to
[59:16] be there, you know, we're it's minimal.
[59:19] But, Vineyard's is exponential, but
[59:21] they're their participation in
[59:22] >> so, a point of clarification. Vineyard,
[59:24] we only treat from our 400 South and
[59:27] >> to the South. There's a small section
[59:29] >> Oh, okay.
[59:30] >> And the rest of it goes to the
[59:32] Vinoge special service.
[59:36] But really they are close to build out.
[59:38] >> In the area that you serve?
[59:40] >> Area that we serve.
[59:41] >> What did you have?
[59:42] >> Yes, I just want to add it's based on
[59:44] the capacity that the plant
[59:47] is designed for. He says it's 15
[59:49] million. Of the 15 million, Linden City
[59:52] owns
[59:54] about 1.6 million gallons.
[59:56] >> Okay, so we're
[59:57] >> So it's it's based on the flow that we
[59:59] are allocating.
[1:00:00] >> we anticipate that we'll grow into and
[1:00:03] occupy.
[1:00:04] >> Okay.
[1:00:05] >> That was helpful. That was helpful.
[1:00:07] Appreciated.
[1:00:08] >> 15 or 20 years ago, both cities jointly
[1:00:11] looked at their build out numbers and
[1:00:14] accommodated that plant, upgraded that
[1:00:16] time
[1:00:17] for those build out numbers.
[1:00:18] >> We went from 1.2 million gallons to 1.6
[1:00:21] million gallons to uh
[1:00:23] to address that
[1:00:24] issue. We'll bear with them where we're
[1:00:26] going to
[1:00:27] >> And that's part of that bond payment
[1:00:28] that being mentioned that we're we're
[1:00:30] making each year is to pay off those
[1:00:32] improvements that were made back then.
[1:00:33] [clears throat]
[1:00:35] >> Thank you.
[1:00:37] >> Just just to back up a little bit, the bank of Orem
[1:00:41] um
[1:00:42] the aspect of that we have talked about
[1:00:44] an interest rate that we apply to that
[1:00:47] similar to the PTIF. I think that's
[1:00:48] really generous offer for the Orem
[1:00:51] um
[1:00:52] to do that and
[1:00:54] So we would be paying some interest back to
[1:00:56] the city where the huge savings that
[1:00:58] you're paying for stuff up front and we
[1:01:00] realize that and so it wouldn't be a
[1:01:02] free 0% loan that but still very
[1:01:06] generous is what we
[1:01:08] >> Thank you.
[1:01:10] Anything else?
[1:01:12] All right, thank you, Reed. Appreciate
[1:01:14] the update.
[1:01:15] Uh next item 1.4 the discussion on 4000
[1:01:19] North and 1200 South Road maintenance
[1:01:23] and turned over to uh John our public
[1:01:26] services director.
[1:01:42] » Okay.
[1:01:44] Here to talk about the
[1:01:46] shared
[1:01:47] boundaries that we have up on
[1:01:49] 2000 North
[1:01:51] and 1600 South and 1600 North 6000 600
[1:01:55] South
[1:01:56] and passing around kind of a draft
[1:01:58] agreement that I was told you might have
[1:02:00] seen already.
[1:02:04] Dating back to the 80s
[1:02:07] um this is what that you have in front
[1:02:09] of you is this what we'll we'll be
[1:02:11] replacing at the end of
[1:02:13] is that that 1980 agreement and as I
[1:02:16] read through both
[1:02:17] there's very little technical
[1:02:19] information and basically what it says
[1:02:21] we'll take care of fair and maintenance
[1:02:22] and each city will be
[1:02:24] on their parts. It's pretty simple. Um
[1:02:27] going forward the boundary
[1:02:30] we share and I'll I'll do a graphical
[1:02:31] limitation of this but
[1:02:34] we have that 1000 West
[1:02:36] Lyndon Park Drive is
[1:02:39] the Lyndon section
[1:02:41] 2000 North
[1:02:43] West State Street
[1:02:45] and we'll
[1:02:46] 2000 North East of State Street and the
[1:02:48] show that this is clearly
[1:02:52] This yellow line here you see my mouse?
[1:02:56] Here's boundary
[1:02:58] and in the 80s
[1:03:00] it was established that Lyndon would
[1:03:02] maintain
[1:03:03] this section and this section up to that
[1:03:06] park
[1:03:07] drive that was was there but freeway off
[1:03:10] ramp
[1:03:11] and then Orem would take care of
[1:03:13] everything in this blue.
[1:03:15] Um then 2019
[1:03:18] both entities did a jurisdictional
[1:03:20] transfer and gave
[1:03:22] that portion to UDOT.
[1:03:24] So the section that Linden was
[1:03:26] maintaining
[1:03:27] is gone and the section that Orum was on
[1:03:30] its own
[1:03:31] is now UDOT's.
[1:03:33] So going forward
[1:03:35] the agreement shows that
[1:03:38] and I'm not privy to this and you might
[1:03:40] know this already but I was told that
[1:03:42] Linden is in the middle of
[1:03:43] reconstructing this section of roadway.
[1:03:46] Should be done by the end of the year
[1:03:48] and that's kind of one of the written in
[1:03:50] the agreement that Linden will finish
[1:03:52] that section here between State Street
[1:03:55] and this is a
[1:03:56] about 1,000 ft or so.
[1:03:59] Yeah, this is yellow is the
[1:04:00] city boundary.
[1:04:04] Going forward
[1:04:07] the plan in that document is to have
[1:04:09] Orum maintain the entire section from
[1:04:12] this new shared boundary on
[1:04:14] the other end.
[1:04:17] Comes 800 South Island Drive.
[1:04:20] And it would be a 50/50 split in those
[1:04:22] costs.
[1:04:25] We would do the standard maintenance and
[1:04:27] repair. I didn't detail them out here
[1:04:29] but in your packets sections 2.1 to 2.11
[1:04:34] it really tells about what that means.
[1:04:37] So we were debating in here
[1:04:40] so this is this is this is what we mean
[1:04:42] by
[1:04:43] standard repair and maintenance.
[1:04:45] Standard maintenance.
[1:04:49] Linden's obligation and responsibilities
[1:04:51] in verse Orum 50% of those costs.
[1:04:56] And I believe
[1:04:58] we have a
[1:05:00] major road project planned in 2000
[1:05:03] 2031 and so
[1:05:05] part of that agreement mentions
[1:05:07] if you have any utility work
[1:05:10] in that area
[1:05:11] we'll let you know ahead of
[1:05:13] time when work with you guys all the
[1:05:15] time, so we can figure that out. But
[1:05:17] before we have this major reconstruct
[1:05:19] and overlay, we want utilities to be
[1:05:23] synced.
[1:05:25] >> And
[1:05:28] » the discussion we can have items 5 to
[1:05:31] about 17 on is just a recitals. Just
[1:05:35] >> What was it? Just the legal stuff.
[1:05:37] >> Legal and finance and it's
[1:05:40] >> Here's
[1:05:41] >> late and how you pay us. So
[1:05:43] I didn't go through all of those deep
[1:05:44] detail here. You guys understand and
[1:05:45] some of you might have seen them
[1:05:46] already.
[1:05:47] For the questions.
[1:05:49] >> Just emphasize this is a draft for us.
[1:05:53] >> So this is a draft that I sent
[1:05:55] probably this back to Chris and Chris
[1:05:58] isn't here today and
[1:05:59] so Um we have a we have a pending
[1:06:04] working some details out, so
[1:06:06] >> He sent it to me last Friday, so I don't
[1:06:08] know how recent the changes in there,
[1:06:10] but
[1:06:11] >> I I think we sent those a week and a
[1:06:13] half or two weeks ago.
[1:06:14] >> A couple weeks ago. Maybe they're in
[1:06:15] there, maybe they're not, but
[1:06:17] Any questions?
[1:06:18] >> No, I just wanted to say that we're
[1:06:21] sending comments to to Chris and
[1:06:24] trying to schedule another meeting with
[1:06:27] sit down.
[1:06:30] » And I think some of the areas that we
[1:06:33] talked a little bit about, I believe
[1:06:35] very improbable. All soft costs about
[1:06:38] staff.
[1:06:39] We're all in agreement with the wording
[1:06:40] because our staff can we design
[1:06:43] We don't pay out for designing.
[1:06:46] So we don't know how that will get
[1:06:47] reimbursed. That's I don't think that's
[1:06:48] really the main thing.
[1:06:50] portion of it. For the soft cost element
[1:06:52] of staff's time to split that we
[1:06:54] haven't.
[1:06:55] >> Okay. We'll keep going.
[1:06:58] >> Yes.
[1:07:02] » More questions?
[1:07:04] >> You know, gone.
[1:07:05] >> It's a draft.
[1:07:06] >> I think we cleaned up well bringing in
[1:07:08] the temple.
[1:07:10] So, there might be extra if he wants
[1:07:12] some
[1:07:13] if you guys end up with extra.
[1:07:15] >> Six or eight years.
[1:07:23] » [laughter]
[1:07:25] >> I don't know that.
[1:07:27] Saying
[1:07:30] I want to be on the other side. I
[1:07:31] appreciate that.
[1:07:33] I'm 50. All right, our next item is a
[1:07:35] discussion of a Linden Hall Drainage
[1:07:36] Agreement and joint maintenance of
[1:07:38] waterway and wetlands. So, I'll turn
[1:07:40] over to Juan.
[1:07:44] » Thank you, Mayor.
[1:07:48] I'm just going to bring a uh
[1:07:50] visual of what we're
[1:07:52] talking about.
[1:07:58] This is this section right here.
[1:08:05] Okay, so um
[1:08:07] I'm Juan Garrido, Public Works Director.
[1:08:09] I've been working on this uh project
[1:08:11] with Mayor Lundberg. Uh was very uh very
[1:08:15] helpful in finding us a ARPA
[1:08:18] grant
[1:08:20] uh
[1:08:21] in 2021-2022 era.
[1:08:23] And uh it was related to uh the Utah
[1:08:26] Lake Water Quality uh pro- program. So,
[1:08:31] what we have is right here on this
[1:08:34] line, uh this is where we collect a lot
[1:08:37] of the effluent uh not effluent, but uh
[1:08:40] stormwater runoff from uh Orem, Pleasant
[1:08:43] Grove, and Linden. Uh there's a inner
[1:08:46] local agreement where uh Orem is
[1:08:49] responsible for about 51% of the flow.
[1:08:52] Uh Pleasant Grove, through one of the
[1:08:55] drainages that comes right through the
[1:08:56] middle of uh Linden, is responsible for
[1:08:59] about 17%,
[1:09:01] and then Linden is pretty much
[1:09:03] responsible for the remainder.
[1:09:06] Uh
[1:09:06] the
[1:09:08] city limits for Orem don't quite go into this area.
[1:09:13] And neither does a Pleasant Grove. So,
[1:09:15] Lindon is pretty much has taken the lead
[1:09:18] on maintaining the channel, overseeing
[1:09:20] the flows, and we kind of get
[1:09:23] tasked with water quality.
[1:09:26] Uh there was a study made in the '90s or
[1:09:29] late or late '90s or early 2000s where
[1:09:32] the
[1:09:33] um they were studying the water quality
[1:09:35] of Utah Lake.
[1:09:37] And they put out quite a few sensors or
[1:09:39] a few uh
[1:09:40] gauges through here, and there was a
[1:09:43] high E. coli, hard turbidity.
[1:09:46] Uh that was some of the main the main
[1:09:49] factors.
[1:09:50] With this ARPA
[1:09:52] uh grant, we um
[1:09:55] we are looking at rebuilding the
[1:09:57] channel.
[1:09:59] Here is [clears throat] been eroding as
[1:10:01] well as the water travels too fast as
[1:10:04] there's not enough time for sediments to
[1:10:06] drop.
[1:10:08] The existing or the base flow capacity
[1:10:11] of this uh
[1:10:13] of this channel, it's about 3 to 5 cfs.
[1:10:16] But when we have a pretty big storm, it
[1:10:18] does swells up to 200 plus cfs.
[1:10:22] Uh it's been causing some erosion.
[1:10:25] It's kind of been
[1:10:27] neglected for a little bit.
[1:10:29] So, as where we have our heritage trail
[1:10:31] going also through there, we're also
[1:10:33] trying to not only improve water
[1:10:35] quality, but also do um beautification
[1:10:38] of the area so it's more attractive to people going by there. Um the
[1:10:43] original grant
[1:10:45] that we got from the state was about
[1:10:47] $700,000
[1:10:49] with a 20% match. So, that made it that
[1:10:52] the city
[1:10:53] will have to come up with about 200 and
[1:10:56] some thousand to to 20% match.
[1:10:59] Then of that,
[1:11:01] Orem will [clears throat] pay the 51%
[1:11:04] Pleasant Grove the 17 and Linden the
[1:11:06] remainder. I have been in contact with
[1:11:09] Chris Sherry in that regard to to make
[1:11:12] sure he's budgeting
[1:11:14] ahead of time and uh
[1:11:17] handling that that way. Recently, we had
[1:11:20] some visitors from the state coming to
[1:11:22] check on the program. They were pretty
[1:11:24] I don't know happy with what they saw
[1:11:26] and they added an additional
[1:11:29] $300,000 to this thing.
[1:11:32] $300,000 to
[1:11:34] projects so we can actually
[1:11:36] try to finish clear from Geneva Road to
[1:11:39] the bridge that crosses into the
[1:11:40] wetlands and
[1:11:42] then we'll work on a inner local part of
[1:11:44] the inner local agreement how to do
[1:11:47] better maintenance of the noxious weeds
[1:11:49] and
[1:11:50] a few other things that require
[1:11:52] attention. Then eventually, we will keep
[1:11:57] even though they're local, so that place
[1:11:59] doesn't fall in disrepair again. We'll
[1:12:00] just keep it on a
[1:12:02] on an annual basis of spraying which
[1:12:05] we can take care of.
[1:12:07] The cleaning debris and and all of
[1:12:09] those.
[1:12:12] Any questions?
[1:12:13] >> For the benefit of
[1:12:14] Orem
[1:12:15] Council,
[1:12:18] you you all noticed as we were going
[1:12:20] through our budgeting process there was
[1:12:22] a little bit higher uh of an increase
[1:12:25] percentage wise in our storm drain
[1:12:28] and some of our other utilities and so
[1:12:30] uh it was in part in anticipation of you
[1:12:33] know some of these types of increasing
[1:12:35] costs.
[1:12:37] >> But in in obtaining that now cumulative
[1:12:40] 1 million in in funding,
[1:12:42] that's always going to offset all of our
[1:12:44] costs.
[1:12:45] And the thing that's really wonderful is
[1:12:47] if you do go down the trail once it's
[1:12:49] complete, part of
[1:12:52] why we were awarded the funding was
[1:12:53] because we're trying to do these what
[1:12:55] fancy word is riparian
[1:12:57] uh
[1:12:58] reconstructions so for the water
[1:13:00] the animals, the fish
[1:13:03] and there's some great fishing along
[1:13:05] this canal right away that people
[1:13:07] will be able to do and so it's it's
[1:13:09] going to be very beautiful, very
[1:13:10] beautiful walkway.
[1:13:12] >> Let me ask you a question along those
[1:13:14] lines. I did not know there was a trail
[1:13:16] there. So, where does that trail go to?
[1:13:18] Where does that lead?
[1:13:20] >> Goes all the way to the lake.
[1:13:22] >> To our Lincoln
[1:13:24] >> Lincoln Marina
[1:13:26] >> It goes all the way past the Temple to the foothills. So, it's it's
[1:13:30] >> So, it connects connects the Murdock
[1:13:32] Canal and then comes through all of the
[1:13:34] central part of Linden.
[1:13:36] >> Right.
[1:13:36] >> So, it's the first lake to network to
[1:13:38] trail
[1:13:40] in the
[1:13:41] valley.
[1:13:41] >> I was just trying to figure out how to
[1:13:42] ride my bike to American Fork.
[1:13:46] You just answered that question.
[1:13:48] >> You can see this trail goes here all the
[1:13:50] way to 12 1200 East to the foothill.
[1:13:54] Then it just kind of goes
[1:13:56] Lincoln and Jacob's going to give you a
[1:13:58] tour of that.
[1:13:59] >> [laughter]
[1:14:00] >> the east side
[1:14:01] >> So, it does connect to the Murdock trail
[1:14:03] right here.
[1:14:04] And then it keeps going
[1:14:06] south and then
[1:14:08] comes out to this cul-de-sac and then it
[1:14:11] follows Center Street.
[1:14:13] >> Perfect.
[1:14:13] >> And from Center Street all the way to
[1:14:17] 400 no, to Geneva Road.
[1:14:20] Goes underneath the
[1:14:22] State Street here through a tunnel.
[1:14:25] >> Oh, I can't see the
[1:14:26] >> It goes through the north entrance.
[1:14:28] >> It's all right.
[1:14:29] >> Goes through the City Center Park.
[1:14:30] >> Yeah.
[1:14:31] >> Through City Center Park. Anyways, they
[1:14:34] were able to mitigate the erosion that
[1:14:36] occurred from the high flow and heavy
[1:14:39] rains and waters.
[1:14:40] The permanent solution to that by
[1:14:42] >> Yes, we will be what's happening is it's
[1:14:45] so steep that the velocities are just
[1:14:47] So we're going to raise the bottom of
[1:14:49] the of the channel. Then we're going to
[1:14:52] cut back the top of it and then we're
[1:14:54] going to lay it back so it's not
[1:14:55] actually a
[1:14:56] canyon. It's going to be people can can
[1:14:59] get in there and fish and
[1:15:03] » You said normal flow is like 3 CFS? And
[1:15:06] then how [clears throat] high does it
[1:15:07] get when it's under
[1:15:07] >> Up to 200 CFS.
[1:15:10] Yeah.
[1:15:10] >> 3 to 200.
[1:15:11] >> Yeah, that's why now we're going to cut
[1:15:14] >> Just be making great brands the marina
[1:15:16] to the Lyndon and Orem marina.
[1:15:22] » [laughter]
[1:15:25] » Just wanted to annex part of Orem.
[1:15:31] » [clears throat]
[1:15:32] >> Yes, can you go back to just the the
[1:15:34] first map you showed if we can find it?
[1:15:36] I I'm just trying to understand
[1:15:39] where the water ends up.
[1:15:41] Um it looks like
[1:15:42] I can't tell what that is. Is that
[1:15:44] >> Is that a green area?
[1:15:46] >> Yeah, so this is a wetland.
[1:15:47] >> It's a wetland
[1:15:49] that [clears throat] is always wet?
[1:15:52] >> Yes.
[1:15:53] >> And then it there's a there's an egress
[1:15:55] that goes out to the lake as well.
[1:15:57] >> Yes, so it gets comes into this wetland
[1:15:59] area. It then leaves on a small channel.
[1:16:02] Uh we have our our trail going right
[1:16:05] next to it.
[1:16:06] This point it crosses Pioneer Lane right
[1:16:08] behind the power plant.
[1:16:11] And then our trail now continues
[1:16:15] this way and then it crosses right here
[1:16:17] and then it goes to the marina. The
[1:16:18] water continues up
[1:16:20] this way through the other wetlands by
[1:16:21] the power plant. This is uh
[1:16:24] 2000 West
[1:16:26] 200 South and then it crosses
[1:16:29] >> So does it cross there?
[1:16:29] >> All right, through here and it goes
[1:16:31] right south of the transfer station.
[1:16:33] >> Have you ever been to the solid waste
[1:16:35] the
[1:16:36] Do you know that wetlands?
[1:16:37] >> You see that little channel? That is it.
[1:16:39] >> Now are those wetlands big enough they
[1:16:41] attract wildlife?
[1:16:43] >> Some.
[1:16:45] So
[1:16:47] >> Beavers for sure.
[1:16:48] >> Yeah, you may not be aware that Orem jointly owns this wetland area with
[1:16:52] Lindon and and Pleasant Grove based on
[1:16:54] the percentages that's in our agreement.
[1:16:56] So So that was purchased a number of
[1:16:58] years ago
[1:17:00] when Anderson Geneva was developing.
[1:17:03] They were interested in filling that
[1:17:05] entire thing and just leaving the
[1:17:06] channel.
[1:17:07] And because of such
[1:17:10] the the amount [snorts] of storm water
[1:17:11] that comes through there, this is a
[1:17:12] natural detention basin.
[1:17:14] And that's really benefiting our city
[1:17:16] sand. So we jointly purchased that land
[1:17:20] and so that is public open space.
[1:17:22] [clears throat]
[1:17:22] It was actually put under a conservation
[1:17:24] easement at that same time. And so it
[1:17:27] cannot be developed in the future.
[1:17:30] So you are a joint owner in that land.
[1:17:35] » Any other questions? Tucked away in the
[1:17:37] middle of industrial
[1:17:39] operations, so it's
[1:17:41] Anyway, I'm just going to ask it
[1:17:43] navigation. So if I'm riding my bike
[1:17:46] and I'm going past the wetlands, where
[1:17:48] do I join back in? Across the street
[1:17:49] there. See that Trinity Express? Do I go
[1:17:52] through their parking lot?
[1:17:53] >> So you come right
[1:17:56] to this point.
[1:17:58] Then there is a new trail that connects
[1:18:01] right along this fence.
[1:18:03] >> Okay, so I'll see it.
[1:18:04] >> And then where do I connect at Geneva
[1:18:05] Road? I I saw it on the on the west
[1:18:07] side, but where
[1:18:09] space we've got to
[1:18:11] >> Just west of the the rail line, there's
[1:18:13] a dedicated trail.
[1:18:15] >> Oh, okay. I see it. Yeah.
[1:18:17] >> So it goes So it goes north right here
[1:18:19] at Center Street.
[1:18:21] Not Center Street. It's 100 South.
[1:18:24] It crosses from
[1:18:26] here to here.
[1:18:27] >> Yeah.
[1:18:28] >> Okay.
[1:18:28] >> That's nice.
[1:18:29] >> That's 6-ft wide asphalt when it's in
[1:18:31] >> Okay.
[1:18:33] >> It's kind of a glorified sidewalks in
[1:18:35] some parts of Lindon. It is a agents.
[1:18:38] >> Millions of jobs to
[1:18:39] >> That's awesome.
[1:18:39] >> Okay,
[1:18:40] I know what I'm going to be doing.
[1:18:43] >> [laughter]
[1:18:44] >> It's wonderful. Should be
[1:18:49] » All right, thank you.
[1:18:51] Appreciate it. Our next item on our
[1:18:53] agenda is 1.6 discussion legislative
[1:18:56] interests in common between the cities
[1:18:58] and so I'm going to turn it over to Adam
[1:18:59] and Bren.
[1:19:02] >> Yeah, um
[1:19:04] uh
[1:19:06] many of you have at least some good
[1:19:08] awareness of
[1:19:10] uh interacting with the Utah League of
[1:19:11] Cities and Towns and their regular uh
[1:19:14] legislative policy committee meetings.
[1:19:16] And so you get maybe broader and and uh
[1:19:21] additional subjects that we as cities
[1:19:23] can kind of team up with legislatively
[1:19:25] in in our
[1:19:27] lobbying and relationship building
[1:19:29] efforts with with state legislators.
[1:19:32] Um so
[1:19:33] I think of particular interest to to
[1:19:37] Lehi and Orem over the next year or so,
[1:19:41] I think we'll we'll want to team up with
[1:19:43] and and stay in communication as it
[1:19:46] relates to protecting our water sourcing
[1:19:50] uh rights and decision-making and and
[1:19:52] control.
[1:19:54] And then uh
[1:19:55] another item uh that we're becoming
[1:19:58] increasingly interested in
[1:20:01] and love to hear uh any thoughts uh on
[1:20:04] this in particular is
[1:20:06] in relation to e-bike and e-scooter
[1:20:09] regulations.
[1:20:10] Obviously, the state started to to
[1:20:12] provide some guardrails so to speak, um
[1:20:15] but I think it's a it's a growing
[1:20:17] concern and and we're trying to grapple
[1:20:20] with. On the one hand, it's good to get
[1:20:22] our our kids out and out of uh away from
[1:20:25] their screens. On the other hand, some
[1:20:27] of these uh e-bikes can go quite quick.
[1:20:31] And [clears throat] and so we have um in
[1:20:34] recent months gotten on a committee with
[1:20:37] the county to uh look at how we uh
[1:20:41] cities can can regulate. Um
[1:20:45] we're especially where we have um
[1:20:48] bordering and connecting trails and more
[1:20:50] particularly the Murdock Canal Trail. We
[1:20:53] want to make sure that whatever
[1:20:55] regulations and enforcement we start
[1:20:57] doing
[1:20:59] that we're that we're not um on an
[1:21:02] island uh and and doing something
[1:21:05] different than you guys and the other
[1:21:07] cities to the north.
[1:21:09] Um so anyway, that that's something that
[1:21:12] uh
[1:21:13] you know, of course our our respective
[1:21:15] staffs will want to communicate on and work [clears throat] on and and if
[1:21:19] you're not on that Utah County
[1:21:21] committee, then you know, we can pass
[1:21:24] along some that information as well, but
[1:21:27] um yeah.
[1:21:29] Anything else on your mind?
[1:21:31] >> is really uh focuses in in my mind on
[1:21:34] just local control and things that the
[1:21:37] state is continually looking at at
[1:21:39] pulling away from cities.
[1:21:41] Property tax, we're expecting
[1:21:43] legislation that's going to continue
[1:21:44] tightening the ability of cities to use
[1:21:46] property taxes as a financing mechanism.
[1:21:49] And so that's a big issue that
[1:21:51] uh we would encourage you as as elected
[1:21:53] officials to talk to your our
[1:21:55] legislators.
[1:21:57] Uh try to protect that local control. Um
[1:22:00] land use and housing are the other big
[1:22:03] things that we're seeing a lot of
[1:22:04] pressure from the state to make changes
[1:22:06] locally and some of that's been forced
[1:22:08] upon us and so
[1:22:10] maintaining that local control is is a
[1:22:12] big concern.
[1:22:14] Um they have helped recently with with
[1:22:16] transportation funding where the
[1:22:18] legislature approved the TUFF, it's the
[1:22:21] transportation utility fee
[1:22:23] option for cities to look at as a
[1:22:25] possible funding funding mechanism.
[1:22:28] of
[1:22:28] stream
[1:22:30] so that's been really positive thing.
[1:22:33] And I
[1:22:34] Yeah, local control on issues.
[1:22:37] >> One size misfits all.
[1:22:40] That's the same.
[1:22:44] » All right, thank you. Anything else?
[1:22:47] All right. Our final item
[1:22:50] in this section is North Union
[1:22:52] Irrigation Company dissolution.
[1:22:55] And possible canal trail solution and
[1:22:57] urban war and carry.
[1:23:02] » I want to invite Reed because he's also
[1:23:04] the chair
[1:23:05] >> Oh, and Reed, okay.
[1:23:06] >> and vice chair of the
[1:23:09] North [laughter] Union and Provo Bay
[1:23:12] I take a different hat
[1:23:13] a different one on for this.
[1:23:20] That's it's coming.
[1:23:24] So
[1:23:27] As you all will
[1:23:29] There you go, you have a presentation.
[1:23:31] >> He has a small
[1:23:34] >> [laughter]
[1:23:36] » Sit down there.
[1:23:38] Just waiting this.
[1:23:43] Uh
[1:23:44] North Union Canal Provo Bench North
[1:23:46] Union Canal Uh here's just a big
[1:23:49] overview
[1:23:51] so that you're familiar with it.
[1:23:54] The red ends up going up into
[1:23:58] Oh, Pleasant Grove almost American Fork.
[1:24:01] Um that's the length of it and Reed can
[1:24:04] talk a little bit about here in a minute
[1:24:07] the uh plans of the canal company where
[1:24:10] they're at
[1:24:11] and frankly abandoning delivering water.
[1:24:15] Uh and we can talk a little bit about
[1:24:18] what that means practically for the
[1:24:20] canal
[1:24:22] and some of the unique things that that
[1:24:24] the state law
[1:24:27] the position it puts us in. And
[1:24:31] Orem,
[1:24:32] we're looking at the canal
[1:24:36] as a possible utility corridor trail
[1:24:40] corridor.
[1:24:41] And we
[1:24:43] looking at an area
[1:24:46] you can see there it comes from about
[1:24:48] 200 South
[1:24:51] on Palisade and it comes up to the
[1:24:53] border on 2000 North with Linden. And
[1:24:58] you can see on the southern end you can
[1:25:01] see how broad that canal can be in some
[1:25:04] areas and then as you get farther north
[1:25:07] it really
[1:25:09] gets more narrow. And we are in the
[1:25:12] process
[1:25:15] we've gone out for request for
[1:25:18] proposals. We've had two back
[1:25:20] methods [clears throat]
[1:25:22] and Landmark have come in with
[1:25:26] bids and we'll be reviewing those next
[1:25:29] week. What we are doing is hiring a
[1:25:32] consultant to help us do a couple of
[1:25:35] major things. One
[1:25:37] being
[1:25:39] public outreach. As you can imagine this
[1:25:42] canal
[1:25:44] passes by a lot of people and
[1:25:48] to give you an example here in Orem it's
[1:25:51] a little over 5 miles and it goes
[1:25:55] through a lot of residential zones and
[1:25:57] these residential zones are our
[1:25:59] 8,000 square foot lot 7,000.5
[1:26:03] and it basically in that area within
[1:26:06] walking distance of the canal is over
[1:26:08] 14,000 people. And it goes the canal
[1:26:12] goes by schools,
[1:26:15] parks, churches uh
[1:26:18] all along there. So,
[1:26:21] you can see a lot of people are very
[1:26:24] interested. So, back to the RFPs that
[1:26:27] we're looking at, two main things. One,
[1:26:30] kind of public outreach along the canal
[1:26:33] corridor to
[1:26:35] uh
[1:26:36] gauge people's interest in the canal and
[1:26:39] what happens with it. I I get a lot of
[1:26:42] phone calls on this.
[1:26:44] And the mayor,
[1:26:46] she forwards me lots of emails
[1:26:49] >> [laughter]
[1:26:51] >> that we're already getting. And And I'll
[1:26:53] tell you they range from everything from
[1:26:57] on one side, people saying, uh
[1:27:00] I want the property in my yard. I don't
[1:27:03] want anything that the city has anywhere
[1:27:07] near it. Uh we've had people out quick
[1:27:09] claiming to themselves
[1:27:12] uh canal property
[1:27:13] uh behind their houses, and in a case or
[1:27:16] two, behind their neighbor's house.
[1:27:19] And And all the way to people saying, I
[1:27:22] live on the canal. I would love this to
[1:27:25] be a trail.
[1:27:26] And so, uh and we hear everything in
[1:27:29] between. And then I have some people
[1:27:31] saying, I don't really want the canal,
[1:27:34] but I know my neighbor is throwing all
[1:27:36] their yard waste into it. And we've got
[1:27:40] kids back there playing, and it's a
[1:27:41] corridor for
[1:27:43] uh crime, and all of those things. So, it really
[1:27:48] ranges all over the place. So, number
[1:27:50] one is to kind of gauge community input.
[1:27:53] And number two is to analyze this as a
[1:27:56] utility corridor. We currently do have
[1:27:59] storm water that gets put into the
[1:28:02] canal.
[1:28:03] Um we are working on
[1:28:06] uh some plans, and I think uh
[1:28:08] we talked earlier about uh
[1:28:10] we we basically have our own engineering
[1:28:12] firm in house. And we have been working
[1:28:16] on getting some of our storm water out,
[1:28:19] but we want to look at, well, what if we
[1:28:21] keep storm water in, but what about
[1:28:24] other utilities?
[1:28:25] We have, as you can see through Orem,
[1:28:28] this major corridor
[1:28:30] that could be used for utilities,
[1:28:34] um, as it goes through the community.
[1:28:36] So, we want to analyze those types of
[1:28:39] things. We've even talked about, uh,
[1:28:41] Shell Aqua for recharge system and and
[1:28:45] if that could be helpful to us or not.
[1:28:47] So, that's kind of where we stand with
[1:28:49] this and Reed, if you want to
[1:28:52] >> Sure.
[1:28:53] >> jump in about the company.
[1:28:55] >> Yeah, so the company, as I
[1:28:57] presume all of you are aware that the
[1:28:59] Provo Bench Canal and Irrigation
[1:29:01] Company, which goes from the mouth of
[1:29:03] the canyon down, circles around this
[1:29:06] about 400 South in Orem, back to the
[1:29:09] north, terminating
[1:29:11] kind of terminating the end of that
[1:29:12] company,
[1:29:13] uh,
[1:29:14] the the end of the canal that the Provo
[1:29:16] Bench Canal Company,
[1:29:18] um, operated is at 800 North and the
[1:29:20] canal just continues. It switches
[1:29:22] companies to the North Union Canal,
[1:29:24] uh, company. Uh, it uh, elected back in
[1:29:28] November of last year to, stop delivering water.
[1:29:33] Um, the
[1:29:36] Orem is a was a major shareholder, the
[1:29:38] major shareholder in the Provo Bench
[1:29:40] company. Lyndon was the major
[1:29:42] shareholder in North Union. We also
[1:29:43] owned shares,
[1:29:45] um, but, uh, because Lyndon
[1:29:50] will be
[1:29:51] taking their water out of the Provo, uh,
[1:29:54] the, uh,
[1:29:55] the Provo Provo River Provo River Act,
[1:29:59] thank you. The Provo River Aqueduct,
[1:30:01] they don't need the canal. Orem has
[1:30:03] never put water in the canal, but we've
[1:30:04] always paid our assessments as part of
[1:30:06] that that part of that company.
[1:30:09] Um so because Lyndon was pulling it out
[1:30:11] of the more efficient Provo River
[1:30:13] Aqueduct, uh the volume of water didn't
[1:30:16] exist. It could not operate as a canal
[1:30:18] with the few
[1:30:20] um shareholders that would that
[1:30:22] remained. So, we felt
[1:30:25] as a company, we felt that it was best
[1:30:27] to just disband
[1:30:29] and uh
[1:30:30] give everybody their
[1:30:32] give give everyone the opportunity to
[1:30:34] either sell her
[1:30:36] interest in the company or retain that
[1:30:38] in the form of water rights. Uh and that
[1:30:40] process is close to being finalized. We
[1:30:43] hope to have that done
[1:30:45] uh this week. In fact, I
[1:30:47] even our calendar, we noticed that we
[1:30:49] have a a meeting tomorrow morning with
[1:30:51] the company's attorney,
[1:30:53] um who will
[1:30:54] direct hopefully direct us to go ahead
[1:30:57] and
[1:30:59] process the paperwork and convey all the
[1:31:01] water rights to that. That said,
[1:31:04] the company is close to needing to make
[1:31:06] a decision of when to abandon its
[1:31:08] prescriptive easement that it has.
[1:31:10] Right now, the only reason that people
[1:31:12] haven't gobbled up land is because the
[1:31:14] company
[1:31:16] still asserts that it has the right to
[1:31:18] use this as to convey us water.
[1:31:22] But it's not doing that. So,
[1:31:24] the time is coming soon. That's why
[1:31:26] Orem's going through this process to
[1:31:27] determine what can be done, how can we
[1:31:29] use this as an amenity
[1:31:31] that's a little beyond the intention of what what it's been used for
[1:31:37] past
[1:31:38] 100-plus years.
[1:31:41] Uh so,
[1:31:42] um
[1:31:43] uh
[1:31:44] From the company's perspective,
[1:31:47] and we
[1:31:49] one and I as the as the president and
[1:31:51] vice president, we can control how
[1:31:53] quickly this happens in working with our
[1:31:55] attorney, but he will be advising us on
[1:31:58] what
[1:31:59] the company should do. Because as long
[1:32:01] as we hold that, we're still liable for
[1:32:03] things that happen in that canal.
[1:32:06] Uh
[1:32:07] as a company, we're not really
[1:32:08] interested uh in taking on that
[1:32:11] liability. So, hopefully we can come to
[1:32:13] a
[1:32:14] solution soon. Um
[1:32:16] it will be a uh quite the effort, I
[1:32:19] believe, as we reach out to the public
[1:32:20] to see
[1:32:22] to gauge the interest and and
[1:32:25] what how how we could use this
[1:32:26] differently.
[1:32:27] Um so, anyway,
[1:32:31] my company is gone.
[1:32:34] Just informing both city councils that
[1:32:36] decisions need to be made relatively
[1:32:38] quickly. We anticipate the full closure
[1:32:41] of the company soon, and with that full
[1:32:44] closure comes an abandonment of that uh
[1:32:47] prescriptive easement
[1:32:49] fish I think it takes 90 days or
[1:32:51] something after we do that where the
[1:32:52] company just walks away,
[1:32:55] has no more responsibility for that
[1:32:57] corridor, and [snorts] the legal battle
[1:33:01] begins to determine who gets to continue
[1:33:04] to use it.
[1:33:05] >> Can a new company be created with
[1:33:10] the idea that this is for the storm
[1:33:11] water
[1:33:12] and so on
[1:33:14] >> So, yeah.
[1:33:15] >> to retain that prescriptive ease
[1:33:18] easement?
[1:33:18] >> This this gets into
[1:33:20] the legal arguments that I I know Steve,
[1:33:23] you've been looking at it, but I I don't
[1:33:28] I can't speak um
[1:33:32] authoritatively.
[1:33:33] >> But, it's a great question. Let's make
[1:33:35] sure that we can get our respective
[1:33:38] uh city attorneys and staff to to share
[1:33:41] notes and
[1:33:42] see how we can approach it.
[1:33:44] >> And are you balancing the official
[1:33:46] dissolution
[1:33:47] to give us time
[1:33:49] >> That's because we sit we are the
[1:33:51] president and vice president,
[1:33:53] uh we have directed our attorney to
[1:33:57] we're not going to jump right in and and
[1:33:59] do this. We do have time, but we
[1:34:03] at the company, we are all
[1:34:05] Linden and Orem are still liable for
[1:34:08] that canal because we are the major
[1:34:10] shareholders
[1:34:12] of both of them.
[1:34:13] >> So, is it consistent that many of the
[1:34:17] adjacent property owners, they show this
[1:34:20] canal on their plat map as part of their
[1:34:22] parcel or there's some sections where
[1:34:24] it's wholly
[1:34:25] the company's
[1:34:26] >> Company owns nothing.
[1:34:28] So, yes. There are there are areas of no man's land where the parcels don't
[1:34:34] really match up on the any parcel map.
[1:34:37] And that's up for
[1:34:39] >> can stake a claim.
[1:34:40] >> The company does not assert that it owns
[1:34:43] any property. So, it
[1:34:46] >> We're researching.
[1:34:49] >> Okay.
[1:34:49] >> But but our board members is also
[1:34:51] Central Utah
[1:34:53] uh water and they have already expressed
[1:34:56] to our attorney to keep the easement for water
[1:35:01] for a possible for recharge where it
[1:35:05] from the Provo River and then their
[1:35:08] office is right adjacent to it. So,
[1:35:10] they're looking at claiming that
[1:35:13] part of the easement for that purpose,
[1:35:15] which is still water conveyance.
[1:35:17] And that's where they have a
[1:35:20] part of that the gray area to to that
[1:35:23] >> So, the purpose going back to what Gary
[1:35:25] was talking the purpose of this study is
[1:35:27] to look at what are all the claims
[1:35:30] including ours as respective cities and
[1:35:33] adjacent property owners and then
[1:35:35] compare and contrast those claims and
[1:35:37] the strength of them and also the timing
[1:35:39] of them.
[1:35:40] Cuz
[1:35:42] I would submit to you all that, you
[1:35:44] know, this is a corridor
[1:35:47] that is more opportunity than than
[1:35:50] challenge. And once it's gone, it's
[1:35:52] gone. So, now's our time to to look at
[1:35:54] it and look at it from all
[1:35:56] angles. Uh so, uses and uh the
[1:36:00] legalities and and let's let's try to
[1:36:03] work together to to find out the best
[1:36:06] use of it.
[1:36:10] And uh
[1:36:11] if the president and vice president of
[1:36:14] the canal company could be sure to
[1:36:15] communicate with our public utilities
[1:36:17] director and Lincoln
[1:36:19] >> [laughter]
[1:36:22] » Sometimes sometimes that's a challenge.
[1:36:26] » [laughter]
[1:36:31] » So, Carrie, I'm sorry to just clarify
[1:36:33] cuz you know I take notes here, but RSP,
[1:36:36] public outreach, and what was the
[1:36:38] second?
[1:36:39] >> Yeah.
[1:36:40] Sorry. Uh
[1:36:41] the tech technical analysis of using it
[1:36:45] as a utility corridor, which could be an
[1:36:47] aquifer recharge or frankly other types
[1:36:50] of utilities. If there's a need for a
[1:36:53] corridor through the community and this
[1:36:55] ends up being one that could be less
[1:36:58] expensive than maybe digging up roads or
[1:37:01] sidewalks and things like that. That
[1:37:03] could be a good way to get utilities
[1:37:04] through the community.
[1:37:06] >> And Gary, we're we're doing this study
[1:37:09] in cooperation with Mountain Lion
[1:37:10] Association governance.
[1:37:12] >> Yes, Dave. Uh
[1:37:13] we've gotten a grant from MAG and so
[1:37:16] we're working with them. They they will
[1:37:19] run the technical aspects
[1:37:20] [clears throat] of the grant and the earth.
[1:37:26] » I So, is there
[1:37:29] I guess just point of clarification. So,
[1:37:31] is there still water
[1:37:33] whether it be storm water or other water
[1:37:35] that could be moved through that canal
[1:37:38] uh but back to your point, there are
[1:37:41] different leadership ownership
[1:37:45] capacity.
[1:37:46] >> We'd have to take a
[1:37:47] >> That's going to be part of the study.
[1:37:50] >> That that that'll be a part of what
[1:37:51] we're going to be looking at, whether we
[1:37:53] do it under the study or independently.
[1:37:56] We'll We'll figure that out.
[1:37:58] Uh but absent the canal, there is water
[1:38:02] the canal company, there is water going
[1:38:04] in
[1:38:05] to the canal.
[1:38:07] >> The company There's no
[1:38:08] >> Well, I mean storm water is is coming
[1:38:11] into the canal. The canal company's not
[1:38:13] moving water through. But right now,
[1:38:15] there are private properties who their
[1:38:18] storm water goes into the canal, and
[1:38:20] that's one of the things we need to
[1:38:22] think about is if that canal does go
[1:38:24] away. Now, you got to remember when the
[1:38:26] canal company walks away, they're
[1:38:28] literally going to wash their hands and
[1:38:29] walk away and say, "Congratulations,
[1:38:32] Harmon Lindon. You have a canal through
[1:38:34] your your community. Good luck dealing
[1:38:36] with it."
[1:38:37] And so,
[1:38:38] uh if storm water from private
[1:38:41] properties is going into that canal,
[1:38:43] what does that mean?
[1:38:45] And uh if people start blocking off the
[1:38:48] canal and one person wants to take it
[1:38:51] over and fill it in, and the next door
[1:38:53] neighbor doesn't do that,
[1:38:56] where does that storm water go, and what
[1:38:57] happens to it?
[1:38:58] >> What's in it?
[1:38:59] >> Yeah,
[1:39:01] hopefully not. But that But we need to
[1:39:03] ensure that because if it does,
[1:39:06] you will be the ones getting the phone
[1:39:08] call from the canal company.
[1:39:11] Yeah.
[1:39:13] » All right, any other questions? Mayor
[1:39:14] McCalister had to step out for a 2:00
[1:39:16] meeting, so
[1:39:18] Thank you very much for your
[1:39:19] participation.
[1:39:20] >> I've been very good crowd again.
[1:39:23] >> [laughter]
[1:39:25] >> Are there any other issues, council
[1:39:27] members, that come to mind before we
[1:39:29] adjourn?
[1:39:31] >> Thanks for being with us. We sure
[1:39:33] appreciate it.
[1:39:33] >> Yes, Mayor McCalister and I we talked
[1:39:36] the first day where we said this would
[1:39:37] be really great
[1:39:39] um to just get together. Our cities are
[1:39:41] we're sister cities and our relationship
[1:39:44] is wonderful and
[1:39:45] um
[1:39:46] I would love to do this periodically.
[1:39:50] » Hopefully sooner next time so we don't
[1:39:53] have list quite so big to do.
[1:39:55] >> I know it's been I think it's been
[1:39:57] >> [clears throat]
[1:39:58] >> like 5 6 years.
[1:40:00] That's what maybe at least once a year
[1:40:03] or
[1:40:06] That would be great. We'll see. That's
[1:40:07] noted.
[1:40:08] Staff.
[1:40:09] >> Thank you.
[1:40:11] » I guess we need to vote on this.
[1:40:14] >> Sure.
[1:40:15] >> So moved.
[1:40:16] >> Thank you.
[1:40:17] >> Aye.