1 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,000 like to go ahead and welcome 2 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,790 Teresa. 3 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:47,670 » Are we okay to go? 4 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,520 recording. 5 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,280 >> Pete, are you ready? 6 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:52,080 >> We're good. 7 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,319 >> Okay. 8 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:58,560 >> Welcome on this very warm, smoky 9 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Tuesday. 10 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:03,840 Glad to see you all here. Um just we're 11 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,440 going to spend a few minutes just going 12 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,880 through the agenda and review and 13 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,680 preview about coming agenda items. So 14 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,919 you all have a copy of the agenda in 15 00:07:13,919 --> 00:07:17,280 here and we were going we'll just follow 16 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,400 that. But after after item number three, 17 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,680 what I was I was informed and I'm I'm 18 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,919 very grateful for this that we can do 19 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:31,440 this is that 20 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,240 we have the opportunity to remember 21 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,919 former city council member Margaret 22 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:38,639 Black. Um she passed away very 23 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:42,319 unexpectedly last Friday. And so I'll I 24 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:43,599 will say a few words and then we'll have 25 00:07:43,599 --> 00:07:46,720 a moment of silence before we go on. um 26 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,560 carried to the Pavo scholarship winners. 27 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Uh the rest of those uh 28 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,440 items will have personal appearances and 29 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,879 then we have our meeting minutes that 30 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,680 will approve for two meetings in May and 31 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,800 then it's time to time to appoint a 32 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,560 mayor prom 33 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,759 a new mayor. Thank you for prom if 34 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,599 that's a verb 35 00:08:11,599 --> 00:08:14,479 first half of the year. And so council 36 00:08:14,479 --> 00:08:19,280 member Lamson, are you down for that? 37 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,240 >> I'm down for that. 38 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,039 >> Down for that. Okay. I will do my best 39 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:25,440 not to become ill or get in accidents or 40 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,990 anything. the county. 41 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,479 » We also after that we have an ordinance 42 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:35,440 amending chapter 10 of the ORM city code 43 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,360 pertaining to flood damage prevention 44 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,839 and that's the FEMA. Is that the FEMA 45 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:40,399 one? 46 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:40,800 >> Yes. 47 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,719 >> And as soon as this as we approve these 48 00:08:42,719 --> 00:08:45,279 consent items. I know Teresa talked 49 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,200 about having me sign that one 50 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,560 immediately because it has to be 51 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,000 submitted today or something. Was that 52 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,839 the one? 53 00:08:53,839 --> 00:08:55,680 >> I had heard that but I don't know. Wait. 54 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,279 Okay, Trace. Well, I'm sorry for Trace 55 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:58,080 to get back to you. 56 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,600 >> It It was, but uh they sent us a letter. 57 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,399 They forgot to give us the notice that 58 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:05,440 >> Oh, 59 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 >> so we have a little bit of time left. 60 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,880 >> Okay, Teresa, you don't have to get do 61 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 it today, but signing. 62 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,240 >> Sure. Aaron just met with me and was 63 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,880 like, I need it posted today. 64 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,320 >> But there was an extension. I don't 65 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,560 know. Anyway, I'll I'll be there and 66 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,000 I'll sign it if whatever. 67 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,160 >> I have it ready for you. Oh, if it's 68 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,399 ready, you might as well sign. 69 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,160 >> And then we also have on our consent 70 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,320 calendar 71 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,080 an ordinance changing the zone of the 72 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,120 property at 355 West University Parkway 73 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,240 from R8 Single Fan Residential to C2 uh 74 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,600 with a development agreement. Remember 75 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,160 that came to us 76 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,320 re uh just recently and they just needed 77 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,440 to have the development agreement in 78 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,839 place with some changes and so we'll 79 00:09:47,839 --> 00:09:50,160 have that on our consent calendar. Then 80 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,519 we'll go ahead and we have a number of 81 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,680 scheduled items. We have a resolution 82 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,600 about the CDBG annual action plan 83 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,600 and looks like uh authors signing a form 84 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,760 and other HUD documents. We also have uh 85 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,600 public we have several public hearings 86 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,040 this evening. First one is amending 87 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,800 articles of Mr. D coach requiring uh for 88 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,120 the conduct u conducting neighborhood 89 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,720 meetings in advance of applications to 90 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,720 the planning commission. So there is 91 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,480 actually a tenant of that that is 92 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,920 missing. Um should we Steve should we 93 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,079 table that to add the was it Steve or 94 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:30,079 Gary I talked to about that one 95 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:31,040 >> in you? 96 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,959 >> Yeah. So one of the issues that came up 97 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:37,200 with this 98 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,440 was at planning commission they had a 99 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 discussion about 100 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,600 uh the requirement to mail out notices 101 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,800 and what we do is we mail notices 102 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,600 to uh each property and we get the list 103 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,320 from the county. So, wherever that uh 104 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,600 property notice or or for like their 105 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,000 taxes, wherever that would go, that's 106 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,440 where our notice goes. Uh we did have a 107 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 discussion about 108 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,079 um 109 00:11:14,079 --> 00:11:16,079 in some areas of the city we have lots 110 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:20,160 of renters and so a tax notice may go to 111 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,760 an accountant or somebody in Salt Lake 112 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,560 or out of state because they're renting 113 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,720 it and the actual renter at that address 114 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,160 where they live would not get the 115 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880 notice. And we actually talked with 116 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,959 Meline at the planning commission while 117 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:39,519 we discussed it. 118 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:42,079 Planning commission didn't actually make 119 00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:44,720 a recommendation. And part of that is 120 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,399 internally 121 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:49,760 we know that can be an issue. We don't 122 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,000 quite know how yet to solve that issue. 123 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,399 And the and the reason is is the list we 124 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,760 get to send out is from the county. we 125 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,839 can get a list of properties 126 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:06,480 uh that are just addresses and send to 127 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,600 addresses. But if we just send to the 128 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,440 addresses, 129 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,760 then often property owners will not get 130 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,440 a notice. 131 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,399 And if we send to the county records, 132 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:21,279 renters may not get a notice. And if we 133 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,920 send to both, a lot of people will get 134 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,920 two notices. And so 135 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,360 we don't have an easy fix in our 136 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,720 department of how to winnow those risks 137 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,079 unless we do it by hand right now. And 138 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:40,240 so what the planning commission talked 139 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,560 about is like, okay, that's a problem. 140 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:43,920 We need to think about how we're going 141 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,959 to fix it. Let's not hold up what we 142 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:50,560 have and we'll send it on to council. 143 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:54,399 >> Okay? And so we can do whatever the 144 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:55,760 council would like, but that is 145 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,800 definitely an issue that uh you should 146 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,200 think about and talk about 147 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,000 is how uh legal noticing under state 148 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,880 law. Uh 149 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,040 there is kind of a a built-in preference 150 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,000 for it to go to the actual property 151 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,920 owner so that they know. Renters, 152 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,399 frankly, are a little secondary, but a 153 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,120 lot of renters live there, and we want 154 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,920 them to be included in the process, too. 155 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,680 We just don't have a great solution. 156 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:28,959 >> They're voters. 157 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:30,000 >> Yeah. Right. 158 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,519 >> Could we Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. 159 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,200 >> I'm just saying more and more people are 160 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,680 renting. These are It's happening to 161 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,240 them. They may be long-term renters, you 162 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,160 know. Um it's not necessarily as 163 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,240 transitory as it used to be. So, yeah. I 164 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,480 don't know what the situation. 165 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,720 >> Yeah. And at planning commission, we 166 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,639 didn't come up with a solution and we 167 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:51,040 don't have I don't have a good solution 168 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,440 for you today on how to handle that. If 169 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,320 you wanted to continue this, 170 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,600 >> absolutely. 171 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,680 >> We could do that and we could come back 172 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,680 in a future work meeting after we've 173 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,440 looked at it, see how we might fix it so 174 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,560 that property owners get notice and 175 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,760 renters get notice without 176 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,720 duplicating [clears throat] 177 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,199 costs and and staff time and effort. 178 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:20,800 I'm wondering if um 179 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,600 >> prove this and promise to come back with 180 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,320 solutions on 181 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,920 >> Well, I have a question about how to do 182 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:31,120 how to not a possible solution. It would be a perfect solution but a 183 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,399 solution or an option. Um because we do 184 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:35,680 have the rent the renters are the 185 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,199 voters, property owners are the 186 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:39,519 taxpayers. I think it's important that 187 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:41,279 the notice gets mailed to the property 188 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,839 owner, but I also think again that the 189 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:45,360 renters should be able to 190 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,399 >> Have we thought about putting a sign on 191 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,560 the property, a public notice, a notice 192 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,160 saying that this is this property is 193 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,079 under development review or something 194 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:57,040 like that so those renters in the area 195 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,480 or the people who live in the immediate 196 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,519 area can see that something's happening 197 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:04,320 on the property. So, we meet the legal 198 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,160 notice requirement plus we can meet the 199 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,920 requirement. Well, we can let the 200 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,199 neighbors know that something's 201 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:10,320 happening. 202 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:10,800 >> Maybe. 203 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,040 >> Yeah. And and that's a great idea, and I 204 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 know a lot of communities do that, that 205 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,920 an actual notice, and you have certain 206 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,480 size requirements for the signs. 207 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,800 >> And so, what one possible solution? 208 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Well, part of this is to increase the 209 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,760 boundary to which we send notices. It go 210 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,480 in some cases, it goes to 2,000 ft with 211 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,160 from the property. We think that's a 212 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,160 good idea. 213 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Frankly, I would like to see this go 214 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,680 forward tonight to do that and then 215 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,160 you'd have my commitment that will come 216 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,480 back very quickly within the next couple 217 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,399 of months and we'll talk about uh some 218 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,720 ideas that we have on how to do this and 219 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,880 it might be a combination of signs. will 220 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,399 investigate 221 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,079 whether we can automate the winnowing of 222 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:07,279 lists so we're not you know sometimes we 223 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,759 mail out 500 224 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:12,720 mailers and we don't want to do a 225 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,440 thousand because we're duplicating 226 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,680 things that could eventually be quite a 227 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,720 bit of expense so we need to think about 228 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,759 in in my department how we do this 229 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,240 carefully but in the meantime I'd like 230 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,560 to get these in place because I think 231 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,279 they're going to be helpful for 232 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:32,800 neighborhoods. Now, 233 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,279 >> I I know that Chair Coleman was in favor 234 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:38,800 of moving this forward as well. 235 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,240 >> I mean, she was in favor of 236 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,880 >> who was uh Meline Chair Coleman. 237 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,959 >> Oh, chairman. I was thinking too, I had 238 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:46,399 a conversation with some people earlier 239 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,399 today about ways to communicate with 240 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:50,880 residents and there is technology out 241 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,759 there that if you can do the like a 242 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,079 geoence and then text people who live 243 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:58,480 within a certain area if we have their 244 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,920 information or if there's a way to 245 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,759 obtain cell phone information. So there variety of different ways that we 246 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:04,559 can attempt. 247 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:06,640 >> Can we have landlord licensing? If 248 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,480 they're renters, if it is a rental 249 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,240 property, 250 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,600 you should have a rental license for it. 251 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,520 >> Yeah. And and those are the types of 252 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,039 ideas 253 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:20,319 that I'm hesitant. I think some of these 254 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,039 ideas we've talked about would be very 255 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:25,039 helpful for us and doable, but I don't 256 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,679 want to make any commitments here. I 257 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:29,600 would I need to go back and and think 258 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,679 about it and look at it because I don't 259 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:36,880 want an unintended consequence of of uh 260 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,320 now I have somebody doing 15 hours of 261 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,039 work a week, you know, 262 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,880 >> going through the notices and things 263 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,600 like that. But we want to use technology 264 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,160 like the geo fencing. We can do signs. 265 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,919 we can do uh [clears throat] maybe 266 00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:53,840 there's a good easy way that I don't 267 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,679 know off the top of my head to have two 268 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:01,200 lists of addresses and have uh either AI 269 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,240 or something or some program go through 270 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,280 and spit out a definitive a list that 271 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,760 doesn't duplicate things and and if we 272 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,080 can do stuff like that quickly that's 273 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,559 what I'd like to come back and and and just because we have something in an 274 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,559 ordinance and we're doing it I still 275 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:22,559 think we should explore things like 276 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,679 uh email lists, getting people to sign 277 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:30,237 up for my Provo, getting what did I say? 278 00:18:30,237 --> 00:18:32,789 [laughter] 279 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:34,320 » Well, well, I want them to do that so 280 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,120 they can um have input on the 281 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,752 development in the canyon. 282 00:18:38,752 --> 00:18:39,120 >> [laughter] 283 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,720 >> So 284 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,360 >> thanks Dave 285 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,880 >> uh myorum you know and and come up with 286 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,520 some ideas so that we can just in 287 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,640 general how do we engage the public not 288 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,120 just meeting our technical legal 289 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,200 requirements. We want to meet the base 290 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,600 legal requirements, but frankly, we want 291 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,360 to go above and beyond those base uh 292 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,080 requirements to get the community as 293 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,760 notified and involved as possible. 294 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:16,070 >> Okay. 295 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,720 » All right. 296 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,360 Planning or continues. Well, I was going 297 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,880 to say one of my I was a planning intern 298 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,600 many many years ago for Provo City and I 299 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,760 remember having to go out to a piece of 300 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,280 property in a thunderstorm in a dress 301 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,360 trying to beat a sign into rock hard 302 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,360 ground with a large rock. 303 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:37,760 >> Yeah. 304 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,000 >> And because I didn't have the hammer. I 305 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,840 know what the hammer was, but I didn't 306 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,080 have it. And so I don't want anyone to 307 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,590 miss out on that opportunity. 308 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,600 Um, 309 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,960 next item we'll have at the public 310 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960 hearing an ordinance amending the city 311 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,480 code um, including standard SLU 6231 312 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,919 beauty and barber shops and SLU 6232 313 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:06,400 tattoo and body piercing as pered uses 314 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,960 in a manu M2 manufacturing zone. 315 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Then after that, we will have another 316 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,600 public hearing amending the ordinance to 317 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,919 include SLU code 7424 recreation centers 318 00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:23,760 general as a permitted use in the PD5 319 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,240 zone. For those who are listening at 320 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,000 home, the PD5 zones along University 321 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Parkway and then we have a public 322 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,400 hearing, another ordinance, 323 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,360 and this is about our budget amendments. 324 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,480 So we have that. Let's bring us in the 325 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,080 city manager information items and then 326 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,840 we will adjourn to the meeting of the 327 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,400 redevelopment agency. 328 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,559 Well, we will approve the minutes. We 329 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:53,440 will have another public hearing with a 330 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,120 resolution approving the redevelopment 331 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,760 agency budget. And then when we're done 332 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,159 with that, we will adjourn from the 333 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:01,919 redevelopment agency to the special 334 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,159 service lighting district and approve 335 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:05,919 the minutes and then have another public 336 00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:08,080 hearing approving the special service 337 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,039 lighting district budget. And then we 338 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,640 will adjourn from being a special 339 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,559 service lighting district and reconvene 340 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,600 as a war municipal building authority 341 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,760 and [clears throat] 342 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,679 we're only approving the minutes for the 343 00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:24,400 building authority. Is that right? 344 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,600 I know we're not going to be approving a 345 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,360 budget. 346 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:32,230 Then after that 347 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,789 question, 348 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,799 okay, we'll continue meeting and 349 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,360 chatting and 350 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,679 we will eventually end up I'll end up in 351 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,280 there at 6. 352 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,720 >> You going to adjourn this meeting so we 353 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,120 can recording and 354 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,200 >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Let's let's have a motion 355 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,080 to adjurnn. 356 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,520 >> I move to adjourn. 357 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,080 >> Second. 358 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,320 >> All right. Motion in a second. 359 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,559 >> Ajourn. I 360 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,880 >> All right. 361 00:22:02,880 --> 00:23:39,350 >> You don't have to hear us eat. 362 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,880 Gary just talking. 363 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,320 >> Oh yeah, 364 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,000 >> it was like really catching Gary. Oh, I 365 00:23:46,000 --> 00:24:08,710 forgot to bring the speaker. 366 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,279 No. Are you talking about the signers? 367 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,039 >> No. The the video. 368 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,320 >> What video? 369 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,120 >> The Babel video. The Babel scholarship. 370 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,559 >> Yeah. 371 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:23,110 >> No. 372 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,880 You never think about it. I just thought 373 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,159 she would talk. I didn't even think 374 00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:28,080 about it. Maybe 375 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,120 >> probably need this. 376 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,950 >> Just a moment. 377 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,070 » We're up in the game. Share. 378 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,159 » Uh oh, my being's dead. That's all 379 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,640 right. I'll just put it. 380 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,870 >> Oh, no. 381 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,430 » I was thinking we didn't have video 382 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,279 first. Thought I was done after my 383 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:54,640 associates. I thought I was done after 384 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,600 my bachelor was. 385 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:04,950 >> Yeah, it should be first. 386 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,640 » Oh, you have the splits. 387 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,590 >> Why? I shouldn't. 388 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:27,990 I think someone's ready. 389 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:34,310 I just want to see right. 390 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:44,549 » There we go. 391 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:50,149 So ready. 392 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,159 Look at that. 393 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:56,480 Oh, the speaker works. 394 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,400 Thought I was done after my associates. 395 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,679 I thought I was done after my bachelor 396 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:07,750 was for my masters. And I feel like 397 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:15,830 this chair is really short. 398 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:35,909 Take your chance 399 00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:57,669 friend said 400 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,440 I knew something was 401 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,360 training. I thought it 402 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,830 at this point. 403 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,640 » But I clearly, 404 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,600 you know what threw me off is 405 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,760 we're going to take off the ribbons and 406 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,240 not die and 407 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,799 you know I don't even 408 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,350 think 409 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:33,350 clearly 410 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:53,029 outfit. 411 00:27:53,039 --> 00:28:04,470 Lots of problems. 412 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:20,630 I see you guys. 413 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:47,269 I can 414 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,630 Say if we took our name 415 00:28:52,640 --> 00:29:02,870 and Those 416 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:23,029 aren't even 417 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:34,070 sources. 418 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:56,950 He wants to go. 419 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:22,710 Then I went and 420 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,480 January 421 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,279 >> February 422 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:39,750 was January. It was February. 423 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:55,110 » I know. I could have been listening. 424 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:13,990 I like this. I mean, I don't know about 425 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,909 tonight. 426 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:24,549 » I'll be I'll sit next to him. 427 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,000 Hello sir. 428 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:47,509 >> How are you doing? 429 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:57,909 » Awesome. 430 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:16,710 Thanks for 431 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,120 Okay, I making sure cuz 432 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,480 just so you know 433 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:38,710 things 434 00:32:38,720 --> 00:36:13,430 be 435 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,680 I would like to welcome you to this 436 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,240 evening's city council meeting. We're 437 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,880 glad you're here and coming to be part 438 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040 of the public process. So, I'll go ahead 439 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,960 and I've called the meeting to order and 440 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,079 we have an invocation or inspirational 441 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,640 thought and it will be presented by uh 442 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,560 Mr. Jim Bell and our pledge of 443 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,349 allegiance will be led by Diane Waker 444 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:40,960 » here. Yes. 445 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,280 >> Okay. Well, this is for everyone but 446 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,920 I'll talk to you. Recently I took this 447 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,200 is a inspirational thought but also a 448 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,079 prayer. So there you go. Recently I took 449 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,920 a road trip from my home in Oram to 450 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,400 Mace, Arizona. I drove through a 451 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640 breathtaking swath I drove through 452 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,960 breathtaking swaths of beauty ranging 453 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040 from arid deserts to high mountain 454 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,920 forests. The different views I saw, 455 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480 sometimes within a few miles, were 456 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,520 dramatic. I've lived in the remarkable 457 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,560 city of Oram for over 40 years in one 458 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,200 apartment and four different houses. 459 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,040 Each was quite different in its 460 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,599 appearance, in the neighborhoods, in the 461 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,839 friends we made, in the experiences we 462 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:26,480 shared. Experiences that have ranged 463 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,400 from celebrating my oldest daughter's 464 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520 wedding in our beautiful North yard to 465 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,760 then burying her six years later in a 466 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,720 quiet corner of the Orm Cemetery. 467 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,720 Through lots of road trips and lots of 468 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,880 years being part of several subsets of 469 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440 our incredible community, I have learned 470 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,240 that our differences, dramatic as they 471 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,599 sometimes are, can either unite us and 472 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,839 make our lives richer, or our 473 00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,560 differences can destroy us. Though 474 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,400 everyone here tonight has much in 475 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,280 common, we're each uniquely different. 476 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,240 Sometimes in ways that whisper and other 477 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,640 times in ways we shout from the 478 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,359 rooftops. But my hope is that what is 479 00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,400 discussed and decided upon tonight will 480 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200 grow out of the good that come can that 481 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,760 can come from our differences and that 482 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,320 we'll each avoid the damage that so 483 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,320 easily flows from emnity and 484 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,960 divisiveness. 485 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,990 >> Thank you. 486 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,710 » Please stand for the pledge. 487 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,320 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 488 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,520 United States of America and to the 489 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,119 republic for which it stands, one nation 490 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,720 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 491 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:56,230 justice for all. 492 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,599 Thank you. Right. Next item on the 493 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,920 agenda are mayor's items and 494 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,640 going to take a moment [sighs and gasps] 495 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,359 and 496 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:10,960 remember 497 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,097 one of my dear dear friends 498 00:39:14,097 --> 00:39:14,800 [gasps] 499 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,560 uh former council city council member 500 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,280 Margaret Black. 501 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,880 I had the opportunity to serve with 502 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,640 Margaret Black on the city council for 503 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,680 seven years. um she passed away 504 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320 unexpectedly last Friday 505 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200 and causing a lot of shock. I've been 506 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,680 alternating between laughing at the 507 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920 memories I have of us serving on the 508 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040 council together and and tears and 509 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,440 thinking about how she and one of her 510 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,079 friends were the [gasps] first people to 511 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,720 really introduce me to the culture of my 512 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,400 faith tradition by writing an essay 513 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,320 called Patty Perfect back in the late 514 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,839 1970s. And it was hilarious about just 515 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:57,200 kind of poking fun at what what women in 516 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,160 my faith traditions tend many tend to 517 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,320 think how their life should be. And it 518 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,280 was it was pretty funny. But come to 519 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,720 find out that it was the same Margaret 520 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,880 Black. I remember asking her, "Are you 521 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,720 the same Margaret Black who wrote Patty 522 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,720 Perfect?" And she said [snorts] starts 523 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,400 laughing and said, "Oh yes. We had so 524 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,079 much fun sitting at my kitchen table 525 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,400 writing that, thinking about all the 526 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,480 funny things that, you know, the zipping 527 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560 oneself into the slim self into the 528 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,400 sweatuit and keeping the scrapbooks up 529 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,079 to date and all of that stuff. But she 530 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,200 he loved our community. 531 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,400 She served with passion for nine years 532 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,640 on the city council from 2007 to 2016. 533 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,800 And those who know her know she was a 534 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680 fierce and tireless advocate for our 535 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640 community, public safety, education, the 536 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,599 arts, and the beautifification 537 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,520 of our community. The discussions we'd 538 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,079 have about hanging baskets in our 539 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,200 community. Um, beyond the council, she 540 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,119 served in a many different capacities. 541 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,960 She served as chair and board member of 542 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,359 community action services and food bank 543 00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:07,920 as the representative of Orm City. She 544 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,760 was an active member of the Orm Kuanas 545 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,319 Club and multiple terms as a PTA 546 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,960 president and various other civic board 547 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,720 positions. 548 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,880 And one thing that I I got to know her 549 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,280 more personally is over her 40-year 550 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,119 career as a piano teacher, teaching my 551 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,000 children piano and taught piano to 552 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,839 hundreds of local students. And she and 553 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,800 her husband Dennis served a mission for 554 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,319 their church in Soul, Korea. 555 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:40,880 So, 556 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,960 I just we would like to take just a 557 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,119 moment to have a moment of silence as we 558 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,920 remember Margaret 559 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,800 and and what she has done for our 560 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,800 community. So, if you'll just if you'll 561 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,560 join me with that, we'll just take a 562 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:30,150 brief uh moment of silence for her. 563 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000 Thank you. 564 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,119 So, our hearts go out 565 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,160 to her husband, Dennis, and their six 566 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,599 children and their many grandchildren 567 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,920 and great-grandchildren. So, thank you. 568 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,939 She'll be missed. 569 00:42:48,939 --> 00:42:49,599 [snorts] 570 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,920 Next item on the agenda, I'll turn the 571 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,079 time over to our deputy city manager, 572 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,960 Carrie Ruck, for presentation on the 573 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,480 building a better ORM scholarship 574 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:09,030 winners. 575 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:27,829 Do a quick video and then listen. 576 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:29,440 I thought I was done after my 577 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,800 associates. I thought I was done after 578 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,240 my bachelors and now I'm going for my 579 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,560 masters. And I feel like the city has 580 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,800 let me know not just the importance of 581 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,400 education but also that I could believe 582 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,160 in myself because they believed in me as 583 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,270 well. 584 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,359 » I was debating between my MBA and my 585 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:49,200 MPA. After working for ORM, I've decided 586 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,280 that there's such a large career path 587 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,440 here in local government and within ORM. 588 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,040 So, I saw a lot of potential within the 589 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,920 MPA program. I started with the city as 590 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,079 an intern for the uh engineering 591 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,079 division. I decided to take a break from 592 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,319 school just to kind of help my finances. 593 00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:06,880 And after getting into the GIS field and 594 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,800 getting the current job I'm in, I 595 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,319 realized it was my passion. Through the 596 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:11,599 Battle Scholarship, I was able to 597 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,359 continue doing that. I graduated from 598 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,599 Mountain View in 1995. Went to Snow 599 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,920 College, never graduated from Snow. In 600 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,560 2018, Snow contacted me, said, "Hey, 601 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,920 you're really close to graduating. Do 602 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,680 you want to finish up?" So, I got my 603 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,119 associates. Then, I decided I need to go 604 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,640 back and finish my degree. So, with help 605 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,400 from the Babel Scholarship, I went back 606 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,200 to UVU and graduated in 2023 with my bachelor's degree in criminal 607 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,280 justice. The Babel scholarship gives you 608 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,520 the opportunity to see that the city 609 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,359 sees your future and sees that you're 610 00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,839 important enough for them to want to 611 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,599 invest a little bit in. So, it gave me 612 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,119 the not just the money, but also the 613 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:46,560 courage to go back and change some 614 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,480 things, go back to school at my age. 615 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,000 >> Because of the Babel Scholarship, when I 616 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,280 went back to school, I didn't have to 617 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,040 take out any student loans. 618 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,760 >> I'm really grateful for the financial 619 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,599 burden relief that it kind of gave me 620 00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,319 when I was going through my degree. I 621 00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:02,400 think that everybody should go for 622 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,839 something that they want to do, even if 623 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,400 it's scary for them. It has genuinely 624 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560 changed my life and the life of my 625 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,040 family. As a first generation student, 626 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,839 it really means a lot that I could be 627 00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,000 the first and the city was a part of 628 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:16,560 that. 629 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,400 >> Ultimately, I think what the Babel 630 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,560 scholarships provided me is an 631 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,119 opportunity to continue serving the 632 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,240 residents of ORM. 633 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,240 >> I love the city. I love working here. I 634 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,000 plan to be here forever. I just feel 635 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,839 like everybody has always been team 636 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:31,760 Terra and then that's part of why I'm 637 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:41,430 team Oram 638 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,640 mayor and council. The Babel Ambassador 639 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,920 Scholarship began in 2021. Since that 640 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000 time, with your support, the city has 641 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,839 awarded 41 employee scholarships. As a 642 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:55,920 result of these scholarships, 643 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,400 17 of the previous awardees have been 644 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,720 promoted within the city. This 645 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,960 scholarship program successfully opened 646 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,880 doors to growth for those who may not 647 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,960 otherwise have the opportunity to pursue 648 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,839 a formal education and be competitive 649 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,400 for new opportunities within the city. 650 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,560 Given how successful this scholarship 651 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,800 program has been in previous years, I am 652 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,119 excited to share that this year is no 653 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,079 exception. This year's awardees 654 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,640 exemplify building a better ORM. I am 655 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,560 proud to present to you the 2026 2027 656 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,200 Babel Scholarship Awardees. As I call 657 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,960 your name, if you are here, please come 658 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,280 up and accept your scholarship award and 659 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,800 then we'll take a photo with the council 660 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,880 afterwards. 661 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,839 Andrew Bellnap. Andrew is a captain in 662 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:43,599 the fire department and has worked for 663 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,400 the city for almost 11 years. He plans 664 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,400 to use this scholarship towards his 665 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,839 master's degree in public 666 00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,680 administration. 667 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960 Adam Butts. Adam is a public utilities 668 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200 operator in public works and has been 669 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,599 with the city for a year and a half. He 670 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,680 plans to use this scholarship towards a 671 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,000 bachelor's degree and hopes to become a 672 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,720 librarian in the future. Bryce, watch 673 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,240 out. 674 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,359 Jake Gould. He is the manager of desktop 675 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,599 experience in IT. He has worked for the 676 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,079 city for 5 years and plans to use this 677 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,760 scholarship towards his bachelor's 678 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,240 degree in IT management. 679 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,280 Chris Hadlock. Chris is a lieutenant in 680 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,040 the police department. He has worked for 681 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,280 the city for seven years and he plans to 682 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,960 use his scholarship towards his 683 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,839 bachelor's degree. 684 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,960 Jeremy Jameson. Jeremy is lieutenant in 685 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,720 the police department. He will use his 686 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,880 scholarship to work towards his master's 687 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,400 degree. 688 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,560 Matthew Cameron. 689 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,040 Matt is a librarian at the ORM public 690 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,760 library. He will use his scholarship to 691 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,680 finish his master's degree in library 692 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,079 and information science. 693 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,119 Gary Leoo. Gary is the neighborhood 694 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,359 improvement team manager and he will use 695 00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:00,800 his scholarship towards his MBA. 696 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,800 Michael Lockach. 697 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,880 Michael is a police sergeant and will 698 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,640 use the scholarship towards his 699 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,520 associates degree in criminal justice or 700 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,079 public administration. 701 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,319 Casey Metaf 702 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,160 Casey is a lieutenant in the fire 703 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,000 department and will use his scholarship 704 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,079 to further his formal education and 705 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,760 expand his knowledge and leadership 706 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,079 abilities. 707 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,079 Casey Palmer. 708 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,240 Casey is a police service specialist. 709 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,400 She will use her scholarship for 710 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:39,430 professional studies at BYU. 711 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,599 Mariah Shirley. 712 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,760 Mariah is the fitness center manager and 713 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,520 will use the scholarship towards her 714 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,119 bachelor's degree in business 715 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,880 management. 716 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,880 Cameron Wilson. 717 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,720 Cameron is the police department's 718 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,880 behavior health specialist. She will use 719 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440 her scholarship towards an implied human 720 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,720 behavior certificate. 721 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,680 Okay. All right. So, if uh you guys will 722 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,359 just send her we'd like to get a picture 723 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:18,309 of you with our council. 724 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:27,430 Here 725 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,440 we go. One, two, three, 726 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:50,390 and next. 727 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,880 Thank you and congratulations to all of 728 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,760 you. I'm really excited that the city 729 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,160 has this program and that so many of you 730 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,200 have taken advantage of it and are 731 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680 improving and growing and learning. So, 732 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,680 thank you and best wishes and good luck 733 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,800 on your studies and and may may I say 734 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680 may the homework come easy [laughter] 735 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,240 for you. All right, we have our next 736 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,079 item on our agenda, presentation by our 737 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,000 school resource officer. So, I will turn 738 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,920 the time over to to you two. 739 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,760 Good evening, mayor, council members. 740 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,599 Thank you for giving me the opportunity 741 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,359 to address you today. My name is 742 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,440 Sergeant Neil Skoggard, and with me is 743 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,760 Sergeant Mike Lockach. I've been with 744 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,920 ORM police for 11 years. The last four 745 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,440 I've been supervisor of our school 746 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,599 resource officer unit. During that time, 747 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,359 I worked closely with the Alpine School 748 00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,680 District toward the joint goal of 749 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,680 improving school safety for the children 750 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,160 of Oram City. Sergeant Lockach, who has 751 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,240 also been with ORM police for 11 years, 752 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:57,270 is our new SRO sergeant. 753 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,760 Our SRO unit is composed of four 754 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,920 detectives and one sergeant. Each member 755 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,599 of the unit spends all of their time in 756 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,440 Oram schools working closely with 757 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,000 administrators, faculty and staff and 758 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,640 most importantly the students. We cover 759 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,319 six secondary schools, 12 760 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,160 elementaryaries, one charter and one 761 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,720 private school. Following best 762 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,280 practices, ORM SRO's use the National 763 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,000 Association of School Resource Officers 764 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,480 Triad model. We are first and foremost 765 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,559 law enforcement officers in the school 766 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,960 as well as informal mentors and public 767 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440 safety educators. While the mission of 768 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,760 keeping everyone safe is always the most 769 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,760 important, timebuilding connections and 770 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,520 interacting directly with the students 771 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,040 is vital to our success. ORM SRO's are 772 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,040 asked to wear many hats and above all we 773 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,720 take the responsibility of protecting 774 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,960 many thousands of ORM's children as a 775 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,839 sacred duty. 776 00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:51,599 In keeping with the tradition of ORM 777 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,440 police being proactive leaders in our 778 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,440 profession, the SRO unit has been 779 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,000 implementing new ideas for many years, 780 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,760 working closely with the Alpine School 781 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,160 District and other SRO units across the 782 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,640 county. ORM facilitated new ways to 783 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,640 share vital communications and improve 784 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,040 responses to broader scale concerns such 785 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,400 as largecale hoax threats. For years, 786 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,920 ORM ORM SRO's working with other ORM 787 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,040 police officers outside of the SRO unit 788 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,040 have innovated to improve in several 789 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,000 aspects of school policing. 790 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,760 Many of these ideas have later become 791 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000 the standard for SRO's across the state, 792 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,839 including some that have been codified 793 00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,160 into law. 794 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,480 The asalent response method grid system, 795 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,640 which was developed by ORM officers, has 796 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,640 been implemented in many ORM schools for 797 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,040 several years. The grid system uses 798 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,800 alpha numeric markers to assist 799 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,960 emergency responders to quickly locate 800 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,960 an area of a large school building where 801 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,440 an incident is happening. This allows 802 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,359 for clear communications resulting in 803 00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,680 much faster response times as most first 804 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520 responders will not know how to navigate 805 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,240 to Mrs. Smith's math class or Coach 806 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,880 Thompson's PE class when they are not 807 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,280 intimately familiar with the school. In 808 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,760 November of 2024, ORM Police Lieutenant 809 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640 Travis Anderson presented the ARM grid 810 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,040 system to the Utah State Legislature, 811 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,960 which was adopted into law and will be 812 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,880 required in every school in the state in 813 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,760 the near future. 814 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,839 ORM SRO's have been conducting building 815 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,760 assessments on each individual school 816 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920 for years, long before such assessments 817 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,240 were required by law. These assessments 818 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,800 look at both the physical and physical 819 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,319 security as well as the security 820 00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:31,839 protocols and their practical 821 00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:34,400 application for each building and its 822 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,599 occupants. Safety drills are routinely 823 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,680 attended by our SRO and valuable 824 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,680 feedback is provided to improve for the 825 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,400 future. All ORM SRO are trained in 826 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,640 multiddisciplinary threat assessments in 827 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,319 order to intervene when threats are 828 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:51,040 reported or observed. This again follows 829 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,960 nationwide best practices using the 830 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,720 comprehensive school threat assessment 831 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,880 guidelines known as the SEAG model. 832 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,800 One of the most notable changes in Utah 833 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,880 law has been the implementation of the 834 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,359 school guardian program. This is where 835 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:06,960 current school employees are equipped 836 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,800 with specialized training to not only 837 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,200 carry a concealed firearm at the school, 838 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,200 but to respond immediately to a threat 839 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,960 to school safety for the short time 840 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,040 between when the crisis starts and first 841 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,839 responders arrive. ORM police along with 842 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:21,839 the SRO unit have worked closely with 843 00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:24,480 these individuals to ensure they have 844 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,240 the skills and knowledge to fill that 845 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,800 critical role in the event of the worst 846 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,760 happening. The SRO's continue to work 847 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,280 closely with everyone involved in the 848 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,119 Guardian program to keep their training 849 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,839 relevant. 850 00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:39,920 The ORM SRO unit was nationally 851 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,480 recognized as the recipient of the 2024 852 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,280 NASRO model agency award. This highly 853 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,960 competitive honor is reserved for 854 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640 agencies that demonstrate peak 855 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,640 professional excellence in policy, 856 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,800 specialized training, and commitment to 857 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,839 the triad model. No other agency in Utah 858 00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:58,000 had previously won this award. The 859 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000 support of ORM city leaders, police 860 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,680 department administration, and the 861 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,599 Alpine School District, as well as our 862 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,680 close working relationship with vital 863 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,160 partners, allowed us to excel to this 864 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,839 achievement. 865 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,839 As we move forward in the everchanging 866 00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,599 environment of school safety, the ORM 867 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:14,960 Police Department School Resource 868 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,040 Officer Unit is dedicated to furthering 869 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,720 innovation and always striving for our 870 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,440 to fulfill our reason for existing to 871 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,079 keep kids safe. Thank you for your time 872 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:27,839 and I'm happy to answer any questions 873 00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:29,359 you may have. 874 00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:31,040 >> Thank you. Thank you for that overview 875 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,200 and I wasn't on the council at the time, 876 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,800 but congratulations on the award. That's wonderful. 877 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,559 >> Thank you. and in all the great work 878 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:40,400 that you do. Council, do you have any 879 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,640 questions or comments 880 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,839 for um Council Member Gail? Uh 881 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:47,440 >> I just want to say thank you for the 882 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,720 work that you do, especially as a parent 883 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,640 with children in the schools. I just 884 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,160 really appreciate it. So, thank you. 885 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,480 >> Thank you. The support means uh 886 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,720 everything to us. 887 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,079 >> We're grateful you're there. 888 00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:58,799 >> Yeah. 889 00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,720 >> All right, Council Member Millet. So, I 890 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,480 was at the, you know, our new school 891 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,799 district was having cluster meetings to 892 00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:07,440 talk about things um that they wanted to 893 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,119 implement in our new district and I went 894 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,359 to a couple of them and the Tempanogus 895 00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:14,240 High School one um sat on a table. 896 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,079 There's one um pillar that they talked 897 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,720 about and that was safety and had some 898 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,240 great conversations there, but it was 899 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,839 really remarkable. One of the parents, 900 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,640 well, couple of parents on that table 901 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,160 were very complimentary of the SRO's in 902 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,319 our schools, of the relationship that 903 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:34,400 they have with the kids, of the positive 904 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,119 um mentorship, the positive um 905 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,520 opportunity to see a police officer, get 906 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,599 to know a police officer, and become 907 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,559 friends with a police officer along with 908 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,119 this the training and the skill. All of 909 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:50,160 that was actually um I asked after the 910 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,359 meeting about that and spoke very highly 911 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,920 of all that you do. So, as I'll echo 912 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,400 what Jen said, you know, 913 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,400 right there where our kids are, that's 914 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,119 where we our hearts are. So, thank you 915 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:05,280 for all your hard work and training to 916 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,359 make that help us feel safe when we're 917 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:08,720 at home. 918 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:09,920 >> Thank you. 919 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,119 >> Right. Thank you. Anything else, 920 00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,680 Council? Council member Mikum. 921 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,520 >> Uh and I'll just add thanks for being 922 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,920 innovative. Thanks. Uh thanks for 923 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,319 providing leadership for the state. Um I 924 00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:25,119 just I I love it when uh we can uh take 925 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,640 a leadership role in solving problems 926 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,839 that others might also face and uh I 927 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:31,520 appreciate you letting me know uh how 928 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,680 effective uh some of those innovations 929 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,040 have been in terms of being adopted 930 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,480 statewide. Thank you. 931 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,240 >> Thank you. 932 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,559 >> Right. Thank you very much. Appreciate 933 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,799 you and what you do. Thank you. 934 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,989 >> Thanks. 935 00:57:44,989 --> 00:57:48,549 [clears throat] Right. 936 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,880 The next item on our agenda is time set 937 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,440 aside for personal appearances. It's 938 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,200 been set aside for the public to express 939 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,040 their ideas, concerns, and comments on 940 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,280 items not scheduled as public hearings 941 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,520 on the agenda. Those wishing to speak 942 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,359 are encouraged to show respect for those 943 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,680 who serve the city. Comments should 944 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,400 focus on issues concerning the city. 945 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,599 Those wishing to speak have signed up 946 00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,200 already signed up. I have a list here 947 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,480 before the beginning of the meeting and 948 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,240 need to ask you to keep your your 949 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,839 remarks to 3 minutes [gasps] or less. 950 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:23,440 And so we'll go ahead and start off with 951 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:31,589 is Alona Shelly. 952 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,359 » Welcome. 953 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,720 I love the flower. That's very pretty. 954 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,000 >> Thank you. Thank you for this 955 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,680 opportunity to share my thoughts and 956 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,760 opinions. I've written them so they will 957 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,520 be concise. 958 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,200 Having large homes available through 959 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,000 Airbnb has been a huge blessing to my 960 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,240 family. We've gathered our children and 961 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,640 grandchildren in large homes from Logan 962 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,440 to Moab as well as here locally. These 963 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,440 homes have provided us with a place to 964 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,480 cook, eat, sleep, talk, and play 965 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,720 together. We've happily complied with 966 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,200 the owner's rules of parking, curfews, 967 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,520 play areas, and so on to maintain the 968 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,040 order of the neighborhoods we've stayed 969 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,680 in. Renting multiple rooms in a hotel 970 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,760 could never have given us the same 971 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,240 feeling of unity, privacy, and 972 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,799 togetherness. For seven years, I've been 973 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:20,480 good friends with a neighbor who lives a 974 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,280 few blocks from me and owns a large airb 975 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,000 on Palisade Drive. It's a fantastic 976 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,839 place for families and friends to 977 00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,319 gather. Over the years, I've been very 978 00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:31,920 aware of my friend's conscientious 979 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,960 efforts to be a responsible owner. Her 980 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,359 large home is on a spacious lot with 981 00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:40,240 plenty of parking and garages, and she 982 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,839 always strives to maintain the respect 983 00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,319 and goodwill of her neighbors. She's 984 00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,319 worked swiftly and diligently to address 985 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:47,760 every issue that's come to her 986 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,079 attention, whether from renters or from 987 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,480 neighbors. Unlike some owners who don't 988 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,799 carefully monitor their property, her 989 00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:56,400 family lives on the property and is 990 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,319 available to handle concerns immediately 991 00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:00,880 if anything happens to arise. [snorts] 992 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,960 Of course, there can be problems with 993 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,200 short-term rentals. Owners must be 994 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,760 extremely responsible and watchful if 995 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,079 this kind of business is to work well 996 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,880 for everyone. Clearly, the location and 997 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,480 number of short-term rentals need to be 998 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,160 determined wisely. However, I believe 999 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,559 our ORM city council, our other city 1000 01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,200 officials, and our citizens are up to 1001 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,839 the task. We can preserve the integrity 1002 01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,319 of our neighborhoods while also allowing 1003 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,319 responsible property owners to offer the 1004 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,799 wonderful service my family and many 1005 01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:35,520 others have so greatly benefited from. 1006 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,760 And I thank you for your time. 1007 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,280 >> Thank you. Appreciate you coming this 1008 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,680 evening. Right. Next, we have Craig 1009 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:51,990 Walker. 1010 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,680 Good evening, mayor and city council 1011 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,760 members. My name is Craig and I wanted 1012 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,599 to also share a personal experience that 1013 01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:59,359 highlights the need for flexible housing 1014 01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:02,960 options in Oram. My family is currently 1015 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,440 remodeling our home which has made it 1016 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,079 temporarily unlivable for my wife and 1017 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,720 four young boys. During this time, we 1018 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,000 needed a safe, furnished place to stay 1019 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,200 for a month and a half while 1020 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,079 construction was completed. An Airbnb 1021 01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,559 provided what exactly what we needed. It 1022 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,640 allowed us to remain in the community, 1023 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,880 keep our routines, and avoid the stress 1024 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,640 and expense of signing a long-term 1025 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,599 lease, moving multiple times, or stay in 1026 01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,520 a hotel that wasn't designated for my 1027 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,920 family life. 1028 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,680 And situations like ours happen all the 1029 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,920 time. home remodels, insurance claims, 1030 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,160 temporary work assignments, caring for 1031 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,359 family members, or families 1032 01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:43,839 transitioning between homes. 1033 01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:45,760 When we hear flexible housing, we often 1034 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,000 think of tourists. But it can also be a 1035 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,920 practical resource that serves residents 1036 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,920 and families during temporary life 1037 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,559 events such as mine. As you consider 1038 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,319 regulations, I encourage you to preserve 1039 01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:58,720 options that allow responsible 1040 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,119 short-term rentals to continue serving 1041 01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,440 these community needs. Policies should 1042 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,680 balance BA policies should balance 1043 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,079 neighborhood concerns while still 1044 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,319 allowing families access to safe, 1045 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:12,000 flexible housing when unexpected 1046 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000 circumstances arise. Thank you for your 1047 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,599 time and consideration. All right. Thank 1048 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,319 you. Appreciate your comments. 1049 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:22,559 Next, we have um Brendan BB. 1050 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,599 I don't see him. Okay. I don't see him 1051 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:31,349 here. So, move on to Barry Flint. 1052 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:35,760 Okay. Berry is not here. Okay. Kurt, I 1053 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:44,470 don't know what how Kurt Forax Forax. 1054 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,920 » If they're not on the list, we can't 1055 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,480 have them come in and speak. 1056 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,640 I'm I'm sorry. All right. We'll go ahead 1057 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,440 then. And that's all the public 1058 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,799 appearances. Those are all the public 1059 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:01,119 appearances we have. council. 1060 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,200 Um, I've just got a note here asking if 1061 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,720 we can take a quick break after personal 1062 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,319 appearances to fix a tech issue. So, all 1063 01:03:08,319 --> 01:04:33,029 right, away we go. Take a little break. 1064 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:55,750 Is it too late? 1065 01:04:55,760 --> 01:06:45,910 Thanks. 1066 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,750 Jared 1067 01:06:51,760 --> 01:07:47,190 getting fire. 1068 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,880 All right. 1069 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,599 I guess we're we're good to go now. So, 1070 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:54,000 we'll go ahead and continue our city 1071 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,200 council meeting. Council, we have our uh 1072 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,240 consent items which include approval of 1073 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,920 the meeting minutes of May 12th and May 1074 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,960 26th. Appointing Mayor Pro Tim Jeff 1075 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,359 Lamson and which I'm going to just say 1076 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:10,000 appreciate and council member Kilpac 1077 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,400 filling that capacity for the first six 1078 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,039 months of this year. We also have on our 1079 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:16,719 consent calendar an ordinance amending 1080 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:19,040 chapter 10 of the ORM city code 1081 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,359 pertaining to flood damage prevention 1082 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,359 and an ordinance uh amending article 1083 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:26,960 22-5-3A 1084 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,600 in the zoning map of the city of Or by 1085 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,880 changing the zone of the property 1086 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,759 located generally at 355 West University 1087 01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:38,159 Parkway from R8 to C2 together with a 1088 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,480 development agreement. And just as a 1089 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,239 reminder that this came and had its 1090 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,920 public hearing at a prior meeting and is 1091 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,719 coming back just because the development 1092 01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:51,359 agreement needed to be updated with the 1093 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,600 changes from the from what we 1094 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,080 recommended. So I would entertain a 1095 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,359 motion to accept uh and approve the 1096 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,319 consent calendar. 1097 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,480 >> I motion to approve the consent items. 1098 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:05,839 >> All right. Thank you, Council Member 1099 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:06,880 Gail. Is there a second? 1100 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,480 >> I second. Thank you, Council Member 1101 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:10,719 Kilpac. All right, we're going to go 1102 01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:13,679 ahead and start with um we'll start with 1103 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,520 Council Member Gail. 1104 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,640 >> I'm voting. 1105 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:23,199 >> I 1106 01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,719 >> Why do these turn off? I 1107 01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:26,080 >> I 1108 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,279 >> All right, motion carries. Thank you. 1109 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,080 Did you pass this down to 1110 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,880 Teresa? Thank you. All right, 1111 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,920 we now have our scheduled items. 1112 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,839 And so we'll start with our first one, 1113 01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:44,799 which is a a resolution to adopt the 1114 01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:49,040 CDBG 2026 2027 annual action plan update 1115 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,960 to authorize the mayor to execute the 1116 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,520 standard form 424, the grantee 1117 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,920 certification, and all other HUD 1118 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,880 application documents. And a word I've 1119 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,440 never seen before, the fiscal year. What 1120 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,159 is that word? 1121 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:05,520 Okay. 1122 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840 >> Is this supposed to be approve? 1123 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,679 Okay. I thought we went some foreign 1124 01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:12,353 language. App ache. 1125 01:10:12,353 --> 01:10:13,199 [laughter and gasps] 1126 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,239 I'm sorry. I am I am such a literal 1127 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,000 person. I'm I can be a party pooper 1128 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,360 because I'm such a literal person. I 1129 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,360 thought, what is that word? Approve the 1130 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,880 fiscal year 2026 2027 CDBG budget. Thank 1131 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,640 you those of you who are more creative- 1132 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,199 minded than I for helping helping your 1133 01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:30,960 poor mayor out. All right, we'll turn 1134 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,239 the time over to um Bradley Day, our 1135 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:35,840 community and sustainability officer, 1136 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,120 and Taylor Drainy, Mountainland 1137 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,199 Association of Governments. Welcome. 1138 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:40,560 Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City 1139 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,000 Council. We had an adjustment which we 1140 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,320 had made to the CDBG budget, which you 1141 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,719 are aware of that we had when we 1142 01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,520 presented on May 26th. With that 1143 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,360 adjustment, we had a period of public 1144 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,000 comments from May 23rd to the 22nd and a 1145 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,560 public hearing held on June 11th. That 1146 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,239 is all now closed. 1147 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,080 And with us, we turn the time to you all 1148 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,400 to have the opportunity to vote on the 1149 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,199 CDBG budget and all those associated uh 1150 01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,199 materials and items as well. 1151 01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,920 >> All right. Any questions, 1152 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,000 council? Council member Lampson, 1153 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,080 >> were there any comments? I mean, were 1154 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,280 there any things that came from the 1155 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:17,920 public? 1156 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,520 >> Fantastic question. We did not receive 1157 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,360 any public comments and we have received 1158 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,719 the comments which we've had as we've 1159 01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:24,560 interacted with y'all in meetings and 1160 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,320 taken those into account to the ability 1161 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,239 that we can. 1162 01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:31,520 >> All right. Thank you. If there are no 1163 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,280 other questions, 1164 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,280 we'll go turn it bring back the council 1165 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,960 and 1166 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,360 we um there's an example of a motion 1167 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,840 there that we could do or there's 1168 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,800 something else you'd like to do. 1169 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,280 >> Mayor, I move to adopt the ORM community 1170 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,280 development block grant CDWBG 2026 2027 1171 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,080 annual action plan update to authorize 1172 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,159 the mayor to execute the standard form 1173 01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:57,679 424. 1174 01:11:57,679 --> 01:11:59,600 the grantee 1175 01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,840 uh certification on all other required 1176 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,679 HUD application documents and approve 1177 01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:07,520 the the fiscal year 2026 2027 CDBG 1178 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,560 budget. 1179 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,320 >> Thank you. Um do you have a motion? We 1180 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,679 have a motion. Is there a second? 1181 01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:12,560 >> I'll second. 1182 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,560 >> Right. Thank you, Council Member Lamson. 1183 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,239 Um we'll go ahead and have start voting 1184 01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,159 with Council Member Mulestein. 1185 01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:24,470 >> I I I 1186 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,320 » Thank you. The motion carries. Thank 1187 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,159 you. 1188 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,000 Next item on the agenda is a public 1189 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,000 hearing. It's an ordinance amending 1190 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,880 articles 22-14-20I 1191 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,520 and 22-1-5G 1192 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,080 modifying requirements for the conduct 1193 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,679 of neighborhood meetings in advance of 1194 01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:43,440 applications to the planning commission. 1195 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,440 So, we'll turn the time over to planning 1196 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,239 manager Jared Hall. 1197 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,679 >> Thank you. Good afternoon, Mayor and 1198 01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:51,679 Council. How are you doing? Um, I 1199 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,040 appreciate being here tonight to talk 1200 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,560 about this. This is the um the 1201 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,640 culmination of of a of a a lot of 1202 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,159 different uh conversations and work 1203 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:02,239 that's happened um over the past I 1204 01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:03,360 believe it started actually as a 1205 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,880 conversation before I came on with the 1206 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,280 city as an employee. So, it goes way 1207 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,320 back a little ways. As a [clears throat] 1208 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,360 as a background, uh, under under Arm's 1209 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,520 code, projects that are changes to 1210 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,920 zoning and applications that are site 1211 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,239 plans that are adjacent to or within a 1212 01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,480 residential zone are required to hold 1213 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,400 neighborhood meetings prior to coming to 1214 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,440 the planning commission for public 1215 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,400 hearing. Um, in those cases, we have 1216 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,719 certain rules and and these uh changes 1217 01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:32,640 to these two different articles involve 1218 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,719 um changes to those rules to kind of 1219 01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:37,040 enhance our ability to notify 1220 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,320 neighborhoods about what's going on and 1221 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,400 make it easier for people to know uh and 1222 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,120 be involved in that process. Um so on 1223 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,280 April 16th back in 2025, the planning 1224 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,640 commission voted to recommend those 1225 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,960 changes um or some changes that we'll go 1226 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,560 over tonight to the city council for 1227 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,080 adoption. Um just a a quick this is kind 1228 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,159 of a quick version an overview of of 1229 01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,480 what those entail. Um there's kind of 1230 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,800 four parts to the noticing for 1231 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,600 neighborhood meetings. Um just before I 1232 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,120 get into those things, I want to make 1233 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,199 sure we make one thing clear just for 1234 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:08,159 the public. I think you guys are all 1235 01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:09,360 aware of this, but just to make sure the 1236 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,880 public, any public listening is aware of 1237 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,040 this. What the planning division and the 1238 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,400 city's part in these neighborhood 1239 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,960 meetings is is just to provide the list 1240 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,880 of property owners that need to be 1241 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,520 notified. uh we don't we don't process 1242 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,120 their applications for the planning 1243 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,199 commission until they've done this. So 1244 01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:26,800 these aren't we don't conduct these 1245 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,600 meetings. Um but we we part of the part 1246 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,800 of the changes that have been proposed 1247 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,440 are to kind of create a a format a 1248 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:34,960 little bit of regularity to them so that 1249 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,080 they're the results are more um 1250 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,239 digestible when they're included in the 1251 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,159 packets and reports. Some of the things 1252 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,480 that we um have for rules in the current 1253 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,480 code are the dates that people can have 1254 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,080 those meetings, can hold them. uh 1255 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,679 they're they're required not to do them 1256 01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:52,560 before 6:00 p.m. on a week night and on 1257 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,280 Saturday not before 9:00 a.m. and not on 1258 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,880 holidays and not on the day before or 1259 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,800 after holidays. The proposed changes 1260 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,600 that got forwarded to the council are to 1261 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,360 not hold those also on a council night 1262 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,960 or on a commission meeting night that 1263 01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,040 it's hard for council members to attend 1264 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,800 uh if they're on one of those nights. Uh 1265 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,040 and then also to clarify that that not 1266 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,239 before a holiday would include the 1267 01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,520 Saturday before a Monday holiday. um 1268 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,679 then for distancing so or distance for 1269 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,280 the notice and what we mean by that is 1270 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,880 again this this sort of circle we'll get 1271 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,440 back to that in a second um right now if 1272 01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,120 you are in a you're doing a site plan 1273 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,480 that is within that is adjacent to 1274 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,400 residential your notice requirement is 1275 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,400 500 ft if that site plan happens to have 1276 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,000 multifamily 1277 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,120 um components then it's 1,000 ft and if 1278 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,800 it's a zone change likewise if it's a 1279 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,760 zone change that enables um you know 1280 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,239 multif family then it's 1,000 uh foot 1281 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:45,760 radius that we noticed the property 1282 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,920 owners within. The proposed change is to 1283 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,920 say any zone change regardless is a 1284 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,320 2,000 ft uh radius that we notify 1285 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,239 everyone in. And then site plans 1286 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,040 adjacent to residential 1,000 uh ft. So 1287 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,040 we kind of up those areas that we that 1288 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,040 we notice. And then in timing, it's been 1289 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,640 kind of a challenge to make sure that 1290 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,360 mail is is something that people still 1291 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,960 get, but not as frequently as they used 1292 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,360 to get. So we had a we had an 1293 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,120 unnaturally long series of conversations 1294 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,480 about how often people get their mail. I 1295 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,400 know way more about that than I needed 1296 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,320 to know probably about the habits of 1297 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,800 mail collection. But in the end, the the change that they wanted to 1298 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,640 forward was that instead of one week 1299 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,000 prior to the meeting, they would need to 1300 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,000 postmark them 21 calendar days before 1301 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,360 the meeting. It's a lot of extension, 1302 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,960 but this is again the very beginning of 1303 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,120 people's projects. So, it adds a lot of 1304 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,880 time that way, but it makes sure that 1305 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,159 people have a chance to get that mail 1306 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,480 and see that notice. And then finally, 1307 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,600 in content, um right now the the code 1308 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,760 asks for contact information and the 1309 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:42,800 existing and proposed zoning 1310 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,400 classifications and to provide a list of 1311 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,040 the notified neighbors and a roster. Um 1312 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,640 we're also asking that that include the 1313 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,840 date and time because that's oddly 1314 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,679 missing from the current people always 1315 01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:53,360 do it, but it seems like an obvious 1316 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,960 thing to have in there. And we've 1317 01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,719 proposed some templates for the use of 1318 01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:59,360 noticing and the roster and for the 1319 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:04,400 minutes so that people kind of get a do a better job of those things so 1320 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,320 that the notice is more informative and 1321 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,600 um we'll show you some some of those 1322 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,640 things if you didn't see them in the 1323 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,159 packet. Um for one unknown reason I have 1324 01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:14,239 a second version of that same slide one 1325 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,480 I must have thought was prettier or more 1326 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,480 informative. It's a powerful slide. I 1327 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:19,760 thought we should have it twice. 1328 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,120 >> It's because I had a question. Can I ask 1329 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:21,679 a question? 1330 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:24,400 >> Sure. Um, back to the duplicate slide on 1331 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,239 the top. Yeah, that right there. Uh, 1332 01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:27,840 also not on a council or commission 1333 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,440 meeting date. Is that all commissions? 1334 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,199 And it says date. So, if you have a like 1335 01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:32,239 four o'clock commission meeting, does 1336 01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:33,520 that mean they can't have a 7:00 1337 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:34,080 meeting? 1338 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,280 >> Good question. I don't think we 1339 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:36,960 specified that kind of I don't think the 1340 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,480 language has that kind of specificity in 1341 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,400 it. Uh, it's planning commission, not 1342 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:41,760 any commission, not the other 1343 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,640 committees. 1344 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,080 >> I thought it said planning commission in 1345 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,120 our packet. 1346 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,640 >> It's the planning commission. probably 1347 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,320 just in the slides said commission, but 1348 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,080 so committees like um the the the 1349 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,840 I'm blanking on all the committees, the 1350 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,840 library committee, any of those 1351 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,440 committee meetings, that's not a a 1352 01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,040 meeting that you couldn't hold. Just 1353 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,320 planning commission and city council 1354 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,920 dates. Does that answer your question? 1355 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,679 Okay, that's probably why I did the 1356 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:07,120 duplicate slide. Let's go with that. 1357 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,760 Um so just again just to go over those 1358 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,360 distances uh we this is a typical um 1359 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,360 kind of a just a depiction of what the 1360 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,760 distances would mean. Um sorry go back 1361 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,560 to this. So we would like those to be 21 1362 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,000 calendar days in advance and we want to 1363 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,000 do the 2,000 ft and 1,000 ft. It does 1364 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,600 increase the number of notices that we 1365 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,719 send out. Uh those are the notices for 1366 01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:29,840 the neighborhood meetings. Now the 1367 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:30,880 planning commission's notice 1368 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,960 requirements are set in the code in a 1369 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,159 different section. We haven't proposed 1370 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:36,000 changes to those for public hearings, 1371 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,280 but that was the planning commission's 1372 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,040 assumption was that if these kinds of 1373 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,520 things were um acceptable to the council 1374 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,719 for changes for the neighborhood 1375 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,640 meetings that the that the applicants 1376 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,239 would hold that we would probably turn 1377 01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,000 back around and and try to modify those 1378 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,320 mod try and modify those requirements 1379 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:51,920 for the commission's public hearings as 1380 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,000 well. Um but that's something to think 1381 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000 about. So it's a larger notice area, 1382 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,239 more notices, but the the goal is to get 1383 01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:59,600 more involvement and make sure people 1384 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,840 know what's going on. Again, 21 calendar 1385 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,719 days prior. These are just some some 1386 01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:07,199 depictions of what we did for templates. 1387 01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:09,199 So you can see this is a a template that 1388 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,040 says shows you the area where the thing 1389 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,080 is going to happen. So if you get this 1390 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,199 in the mail, you kind of have a better 1391 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,120 idea of what it's happening. Um 1392 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,120 proposing to do these different things 1393 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,840 that we might be doing um where it's 1394 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,040 happening and when it's happening. And 1395 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,360 then on the rear of that notice to place 1396 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,719 the site plan, the uh the elevations, 1397 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:28,159 etc. that you're doing and use. We like 1398 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:29,760 these vicinity maps. We found those to 1399 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,159 be very helpful in noticing uh on our 1400 01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,239 part. And so we want the the applicants 1401 01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:36,640 to do those as well. 1402 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,239 And then uh meeting requirements, again, 1403 01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,840 rosters for attendance so we know who 1404 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,640 was there. Uh an explanation to be given 1405 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:43,760 at the meeting. That was something 1406 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,120 that's missing in the code. We'd like 1407 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,040 for for them to know as the applicants 1408 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,640 that you're expected to say something at 1409 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,880 your meeting. It's not an open house. Um 1410 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,159 people aren't showing up for cookies. 1411 01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:53,600 This is for you to make a presentation 1412 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,440 and say, "This is what we're doing." And 1413 01:19:55,440 --> 01:20:00,159 make sure people understand that. and then the meeting minutes 1414 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,800 to have kind of a format there. And 1415 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,159 that's what I've got for a presentation 1416 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:05,280 tonight. Is there do you have any 1417 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,960 questions about that? I'm sorry. Yeah, 1418 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,760 let me go back. 1419 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,679 Yep. So, this is just the the minutes 1420 01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:13,120 format. And then I believe in the packet 1421 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,960 we also included the kind of the roster 1422 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,600 sheet that we u that we like. 1423 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,040 >> Jared, thank you. Can I ask you a 1424 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:21,360 question? 1425 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:22,960 >> Sure. 1426 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,960 >> Uh this last point, additional meetings 1427 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,159 will be required if the concept has 1428 01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:27,679 changed. I'm I'm wondering if [snorts] 1429 01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:29,520 uh we have clarity around how we would 1430 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:35,280 know if the concept changed if there's a clear definition of that. Um there's 1431 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,960 not a clear definition contained in the language. It's more of a it's more 1432 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,440 of a putting them on notice that if you go with one concept and you're 1433 01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:44,719 going to change that concept, we are 1434 01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:48,159 going to expect you to go again. Um 1435 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:49,840 so it's really more putting them on 1436 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,280 notice, they might be expected to go 1437 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,120 back and hold another meeting if their 1438 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,719 concept changes before they go to the 1439 01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:56,400 planning commission. It happens more 1440 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,480 often than you'd think that they changed 1441 01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:59,600 their minds after they've met with the 1442 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,600 folks and they got to do it again. 1443 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,679 >> So, so I just one question about that. 1444 01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:07,199 Um, if I was building uh something new 1445 01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,719 or uh redeveloping something, 1446 01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,280 I would want to take that neighborhood 1447 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,600 feedback into account. 1448 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,120 Uh, which means that uh I might want to 1449 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,400 change elements of my proposal uh as a 1450 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,880 result of the feedback that I received. 1451 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,239 Um, does that mean then that I have to 1452 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,920 go back and then I get more feedback and 1453 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,679 then I have to go back again? It seems 1454 01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:32,800 like it could be a loop. 1455 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,480 >> Yeah, I guess it I guess it depends. 1456 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:36,320 It's it's a good point and it kind of 1457 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,159 depends on the nature of the changes. 1458 01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:39,760 So, if you went into, for example, a 1459 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,520 neighborhood meeting and and you went in 1460 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,080 with a 1461 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,120 um I'm I'm thinking of a recent example 1462 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,560 and trying not to be so specific that 1463 01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,159 it's obvious what it is, but if you went 1464 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,719 in with a certain height uh for a 1465 01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:54,560 building and the neighborhood rejected 1466 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,639 that and said, "We we really would 1467 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,520 prefer this if this were different," um 1468 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,239 you you're not required to make those 1469 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,080 changes. you can come and propose to the 1470 01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,120 planning commission whatever you want. 1471 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,239 But if you wanted to take those into 1472 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,880 account and they wanted and those were 1473 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,239 substantive changes, then you'd want to 1474 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:11,520 reschedule that meeting and hold it 1475 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,960 again. And in this case that I'm 1476 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,639 thinking of, they did that again uh 1477 01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:16,320 immediately a couple weeks later, held 1478 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,000 another meeting, showed another concept, 1479 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,360 and that's probably the one that'll come 1480 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,239 forward. Um that kind of thing happens. 1481 01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,159 uh if it's not a substantive change, if 1482 01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,320 it's a change in parking stalls or 1483 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,880 something that we wind up with 28 stalls 1484 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,800 instead of 31 stalls or something, we 1485 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,400 might not require another meeting to be 1486 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,199 held. It would have to be significant. 1487 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,679 >> So, so the 1488 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:39,520 uh 1489 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,239 this is at the discretion of the city uh 1490 01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:44,639 and to determine how much the concept 1491 01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,639 has changed and if we think another 1492 01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,000 neighborhood meeting is required 1493 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,199 >> may be required. 1494 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:52,960 >> Okay. Um, yeah. So, I I might just say 1495 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,480 additional meetings may be required if 1496 01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,760 the concept is changed rather than will 1497 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,719 be required. That may clarify our 1498 01:22:58,719 --> 01:22:59,679 discretion there. 1499 01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:02,159 >> Sure. 1500 01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:03,760 >> Oh, you mean here on the example on the 1501 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,040 screen it says where it says will be 1502 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,000 required and then say additional 1503 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,550 meetings may be required. Okay. 1504 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,199 And we do say in the in the text to 1505 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:16,960 council Mikum's point in the text we do 1506 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,159 say will be required if the first 1507 01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,080 meeting is held as an information and I 1508 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,560 wasn't as specific in the slide just but for the sake of of the question cuz 1509 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,719 it's a good one. What it says currently 1510 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,360 in the in the red line is a second 1511 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,120 neighborhood meeting will be required if 1512 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,480 the first meeting is held as an 1513 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,080 information gathering meeting to obtain 1514 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,400 input from surrounding property owners. 1515 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,639 That's one part and that happens. So, we 1516 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:39,760 just wanted to make it clear, hey, if 1517 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:40,960 you just held this to kind of get a read 1518 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,560 on the neighborhood, that doesn't count 1519 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,000 as your neighborhood meeting for prior 1520 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:44,960 to the planning commission. You got to 1521 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,800 come back with your real concept. The 1522 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,120 second part of that is andor a proposed 1523 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,520 concept plan is not provided for review 1524 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,360 or the concept plan changes after the 1525 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,600 meeting is held. So, there may be a 1526 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,440 change that we could make if if that's 1527 01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:58,800 preferable. 1528 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,320 >> Yeah, cuz I saw that happen, right? that 1529 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,600 happened on the north village district 1530 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,239 the 1600 north November [clears throat] 1531 01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:05,760 neighborhood meeting which was a zoom 1532 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,920 meeting and they came back with another 1533 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,159 concept completely different so um yeah 1534 01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,199 and does will so will doesn't mean you 1535 01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,199 have to shall means you have to right 1536 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:18,719 legally 1537 01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:20,880 so will is okay or do you want may what 1538 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,159 do you want in there 1539 01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:26,320 >> well the legally the the and I 1540 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,000 appreciate the the thought the idea that 1541 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,320 goes behind this but the the term May is 1542 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,560 a little bit problematic legally because 1543 01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,800 it leaves people in doubt as to whether 1544 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,480 they're actually required to or not 1545 01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,800 required to. So I think probably have to 1546 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,120 be more definitive or you could say, you 1547 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,600 know, you you will have it if these conditions 1548 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,199 exist or you're not required to have it 1549 01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:50,719 if these other conditions exist. But um 1550 01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,400 it probably needs to be definitive one 1551 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,320 way or the other. 1552 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,400 And you prefer 1553 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,199 will. I mean, will gives the flexibility 1554 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:00,960 versus shall. You're saying those two 1555 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,159 are the choices because you don't want 1556 01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:02,800 may. 1557 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,800 >> Yeah. If you want them to have it, you 1558 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,400 definitively want them to have it, then 1559 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:11,350 I would use a shall. 1560 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,040 » It does go on to say, this isn't 1561 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,560 language that we changed, but just if if 1562 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,639 it helps, it does go on from that last 1563 01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:18,560 statement to say this requirement shall 1564 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,239 not apply to minor amendments to 1565 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:23,280 existing sites. So, if we're if it's an 1566 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,280 existing deal and and we're making only 1567 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,880 minor changes, that's where Okay. 1568 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,560 >> where we're using discretion, but 1569 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:31,760 >> I'm I'm comfortable. I just want to 1570 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,280 avoid the doom loop. 1571 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,920 >> Yeah. So, maybe I could uh ask Jared a 1572 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,440 question if that's all right. So, Jared, 1573 01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:39,840 you're saying this draft says that if 1574 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,679 only minor changes are made to the 1575 01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:45,199 proposed uh zoning change or concept 1576 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,120 plan that they don't have to come back 1577 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,159 again. Okay. Okay. Our read our sorry 1578 01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:51,840 our read of it currently is that minor 1579 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,199 changes don't have to go back. 1580 01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:54,880 >> Yeah. So that maybe allows the 1581 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,120 discretion that uh council member Mikum 1582 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,960 is looking for then 1583 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,400 >> we we are still in the position of 1584 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,480 determining how minor is minor. We don't 1585 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,280 have a lot of rules about that but you 1586 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,600 know we have a lot of experience in 1587 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,199 determining what's minor. 1588 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:12,080 >> But yeah I do have a comment. May I 1589 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:16,159 mayor mayor can I make a comment? Um, so 1590 01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:17,840 one thing that I and I don't know if you 1591 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,520 guys even discussed this or not, but one 1592 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,600 thing I wonder why we don't have on 1593 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,280 there and maybe I would like to say is 1594 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,000 like we have the where was it? The name 1595 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,920 of the presenter, 1596 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,800 which is fine, but I would almost like 1597 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,560 to have the people actually connected to 1598 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,560 the property, the land owner. Who's the 1599 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,840 land owner? Everybody always askked me 1600 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,040 that. Or who's who's the developer? Can 1601 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,040 we connect those people to their 1602 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,760 projects and not just have Washburn on 1603 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,520 there? 1604 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,480 Yeah. You know, 1605 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,560 >> our we could we don't right now. You're 1606 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,560 right. We don't. Um right now that's a a 1607 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:53,520 kind of a 1608 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,520 >> cuz then you Google search it just makes 1609 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,760 it easier the whole way to find, you 1610 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,800 know. Um, 1611 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,880 >> so you're saying that the the land owner 1612 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,239 doesn't necessarily have to be there, 1613 01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:06,800 but to have the land owner's name on the 1614 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,960 this is so and so's property and this is 1615 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,000 the presenter. 1616 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,320 >> Yeah. And this is the developer because 1617 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,320 typically who we have is the person that 1618 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,280 they hire to present the case, 1619 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,159 >> right? And so you if you search, you 1620 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:21,679 know, these people in our city, you'll 1621 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,679 find Julie Smith's name comes up all the 1622 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:25,040 time, right? Or Paul Washburn or 1623 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,600 whoever. And I almost I kind of wish we 1624 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,120 go away from that and start actually 1625 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,199 putting the parties that are involved in 1626 01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:32,639 the application process and in the 1627 01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:35,120 neighborhood meeting on our literature. 1628 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,480 >> We could we could include that in the 1629 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:38,080 notice as well. Yeah, these are again 1630 01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,639 these are just templates. So we can have 1631 01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,400 the template say if if that's the 1632 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:42,800 direction. 1633 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,159 >> I don't Is there a downside to doing 1634 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:45,120 that? I don't know. Is there 1635 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,719 >> I think it's a downside. Not that I can. 1636 01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:49,040 >> It could be something like um Julie 1637 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,639 Smith representing 1638 01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,080 >> whoever. And then 1639 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,760 >> but require the land owner and the 1640 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,400 developer. 1641 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,280 >> We do that. Absolutely. 1642 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,960 >> Right. Any other questions or comments, 1643 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,520 council? All right. This is a public 1644 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,280 hearing, so I'm going to go ahead and 1645 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,120 open the public hearing. Is there anyone 1646 01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,639 who would like to speak to these 1647 01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:13,030 proposed amendments? 1648 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,760 Oh, I see lots of heads shaking. So, no. 1649 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,120 So, I'm going to go ahead and close the 1650 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,880 public hearing and bring it back to the 1651 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,080 council. 1652 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,440 >> Can I ask one more thing? I'm sorry. I 1653 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,040 was going to ask Jared, will you please 1654 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,800 say what we talked about in our work 1655 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,000 meeting about noticing to now that we're 1656 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,040 our community is becoming we have more 1657 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,600 renters and renters are voters and they 1658 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,560 should have a say in things developments 1659 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:37,920 that are happening around them. Right 1660 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,840 now, we send the notifications to the 1661 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:41,440 property owners, right? And so, we're 1662 01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:45,360 trying to work out how to notify our 1663 01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,000 residents along with our property owners 1664 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,320 who in the case of a renter often times, 1665 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,760 you know, live out of state or whatever. 1666 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,199 So, would you just address that? 1667 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:54,960 >> Yeah, that's a that's a great point. I'm 1668 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,719 happy to. So, the the current as as 1669 01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:01,360 council councilwoman Millet said, 1670 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,040 currently we pull the records when we 1671 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,639 provide this list of property owners 1672 01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:06,239 that need to be notified. We pull that 1673 01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:08,000 from county property tax records and 1674 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,560 those uh those ownership records are 1675 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,159 sometimes different from who's living in 1676 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:14,560 the in the property. Uh same goes for 1677 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,000 commercial properties. Lots of tenants 1678 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,360 and commercial properties as opposed to 1679 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,480 the ownership. Um the the state code 1680 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:21,840 requirement is that we notify property 1681 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,520 owners. And so that's why the code reads 1682 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,480 this way. Um, it's not a competing goal, 1683 01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:28,000 but it's alternative to our goal of 1684 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,560 involving the community if those owners 1685 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,719 are far away from here and not actually 1686 01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:33,920 participating in things that are going 1687 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,480 on. To to be able to notify them all 1688 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,719 would be to send a notice to the 1689 01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:40,960 property itself as well as to the 1690 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,880 property ownership. There are some 1691 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,440 struggles. There will be some obstacles 1692 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:47,120 in figuring out how to do that. I think 1693 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,120 we can figure out a way to do it. Um, 1694 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,639 the planning commission talked about 1695 01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:54,480 those kinds of issues. Um it it comes up 1696 01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:55,600 with other questions with apartment 1697 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,199 buildings as well too. Do you do door 1698 01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:58,560 hangers on everybody's door? How do you 1699 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,440 do that? Um there's other ways we can 1700 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:04,080 involve the community as well, but we 1701 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,520 think we can find a way to make it uh 1702 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,920 manageable to notice not just property 1703 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,719 owners but u property residents as well. 1704 01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:14,000 Probably need a couple of months to 1705 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,320 figure that out to make it manageable. 1706 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,920 coating those lists, those different 1707 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,040 lists will be a little challenging 1708 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,239 unless we just want to double up 1709 01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,800 everybody's notices. Um, that gets 1710 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,159 confusing. So, we're trying to find a 1711 01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:25,520 way to do that. But the planning 1712 01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,800 commission didn't want to necessarily 1713 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,520 hold up this process back in 2025. They 1714 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,199 weren't they didn't want to hold up 1715 01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,440 these changes on behalf of figuring out 1716 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:34,960 how to do that other part. Does that 1717 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:35,440 make sense? 1718 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:36,639 >> Yeah. And I can appreciate that because 1719 01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,320 we don't want to add any additional 1720 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,199 expense either to these applicants. We 1721 01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,760 want to help them make this process easy 1722 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,920 for them, too. So, thank you for, 1723 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,280 >> you know, I just want to make that point 1724 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,679 cuz that has come up a lot, frankly. You 1725 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:52,960 know, um, so I think everyone in the 1726 01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,400 city, whatever we can do to get more 1727 01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,080 information out there, if we can figure 1728 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:57,120 that out, that'd be great. Thank you. 1729 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,679 >> I appreciate the question. Thank you. 1730 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:00,400 >> Question. 1731 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:01,840 >> Right. Thank you. Um, Council Member 1732 01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:02,320 Gail, 1733 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,080 >> can you just estimate what sort of cost 1734 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,080 increases you think this might incur for 1735 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,440 applicants? 1736 01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,080 >> It it's hard to do uh to to know exactly 1737 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,320 because every project is different. Um, 1738 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,760 but basically we are 1739 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,120 we're basically proposing to double the 1740 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,520 number of people that get a notice from 1741 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,800 500 to 1,000, from 1,000 to 2,000. Um, 1742 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,560 what that'll mean in that radius is 1743 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,800 probably double where we were doing uh 1744 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,239 200 people getting notices, it'll 1745 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,800 probably be four. Um, when we double if 1746 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,639 we if we make the changes that we're 1747 01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:36,800 just talking about to to include not 1748 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,480 just ownership but residents, we might 1749 01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:41,920 add another 30% to that. um that need 1750 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,080 different notices. Uh but we won't we 1751 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,280 won't really know until we get into it. 1752 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,120 We regularly just as a kind of a general 1753 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,199 rule when we stuff notices and we're stuffing them in our office for 1754 01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:52,880 all of these planning commission and and 1755 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,000 city council public hearings. A typical 1756 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:57,760 I there isn't really a typical 1757 01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:03,679 application, but [snorts] 165 notices is not out of the ordinary. 300's not 1758 01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:05,760 out of the ordinary. A big one is 4 to 1759 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,440 500. A gigantic one is 800 notices. I've 1760 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,280 stuffed a thousand notices before. Not 1761 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,679 here, uh, but in another life. 1762 01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:17,199 I've never had to make anyone stuff a 1763 01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:17,840 thousand. 1764 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,120 >> So, could you, for those of us that 1765 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,480 aren't familiar with stuffing notices 1766 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:21,760 and how many would go out in this, you 1767 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,120 know, in this new radius we're talking 1768 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,840 here, what sort of property like numbers 1769 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,199 increases? This like 500 more 1770 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:28,480 properties, 400 more properties, a 1771 01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,679 thousand more properties. 1772 01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:31,440 >> It's it's probably a couple hundred 1773 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,920 more. So the scale of this could be a 1774 01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,159 range from do you have any like 1775 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,440 >> I'd say the range is is is it depends a 1776 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,199 lot because a condominium project for 1777 01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,440 example adds a whole lot of notices in a 1778 01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:47,199 small area but in a typical sort of in a 1779 01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:50,480 typical single family neighborhood. Um 1780 01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,480 it's it's a typical single family 1781 01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:53,679 neighborhood getting a zone change 1782 01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:58,560 request we might see 180 to 210 notices. 1783 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,360 Uh this might make it 320 somewhere on 1784 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,550 that order. 1785 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,120 » Can I can I just ask uh Jared, can you 1786 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,400 go back to the slide with the the 1787 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:09,199 radiuses on? 1788 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:10,000 >> Yeah. 1789 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,280 >> Uh there are numbers associated with 1790 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,520 that. Can you explain what those are? 1791 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,600 >> I can if I can remember. This is the 1792 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,840 number of notices for example in this 1793 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,760 particular deal for this this radius. I 1794 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,040 just don't remember what the radius was 1795 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,120 that we had them do in the diagram. I 1796 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,719 think this might have been the 500, but 1797 01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:30,960 this this doesn't really match the 1,00 1798 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,639 to me or the 2,000. I'm not sure. 1799 01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:36,480 >> It's going to be We're up here doing 1800 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:40,960 math with with our favorite 3.1459. 1801 01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:41,360 >> Yeah. 1802 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,280 >> Number. And so that's going to be it's 1803 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,520 not going to be double. It's going to be 1804 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:46,880 >> it's going to be much larger. 1805 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:47,360 >> Much larger. 1806 01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,760 >> It's because because that because you're 1807 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,159 picking up the radius that that radius 1808 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:53,600 around. 1809 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,920 >> Well, it does matter. I mean, assuming 1810 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,560 you have all residential properties, it 1811 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,880 really depends on where 1812 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,719 the project is happening because, you 1813 01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:07,600 know, if you're over by State Street, 1814 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,920 you're not going to have a whole lot of 1815 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:10,719 houses, 1816 01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,800 >> right? The size of the properties 1817 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,199 matter. There come to be big, huge, 1818 01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:17,120 larger tracks, right, that that affect 1819 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,600 that. 1820 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:18,000 >> Yeah. 1821 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:18,320 >> Um, 1822 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,719 >> it's pretty hard to to know what that's 1823 01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:21,280 going to be. 1824 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,639 >> It it is. So, I apologize. Uh, Jen, it's 1825 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:26,239 hard to know for sure. And this does 1826 01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,000 change. And I I can't I don't know for 1827 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,280 sure if this was at one point we were 1828 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,400 talking about 3,000 feet as well. And I don't know if this is a depiction of 1829 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,120 the 3,000. 1830 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,440 >> This is like 10 times basically between 1831 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,000 106 to 1173. More than 10 times. 1832 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:38,400 >> Yeah. 1833 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:39,520 >> I mean, that's a lot. 1834 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,560 >> It is significant. 1835 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:46,070 >> Okay. 1836 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,280 » Yeah. All right. Any other questions, 1837 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,440 council? [gasps] 1838 01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:53,600 All right. to close the public hearing 1839 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:59,270 and bring it back to you for discussion. 1840 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,560 » Can I make a comment? I love the idea of 1841 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,719 more transparency and I love the idea of 1842 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:06,320 helping our residents better understand 1843 01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:07,600 what's going on in the community around 1844 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,000 them. I also feel like until I have a 1845 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,440 better understanding of what sort of 1846 01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:12,960 additional cost burden this is going to 1847 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600 place upon the people trying to help 1848 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,199 grow our city and develop it in positive 1849 01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:18,960 ways, I I don't think I'm quite ready to 1850 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,639 vote on it yet until I have more 1851 01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:21,840 information. It's obviously there's this 1852 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,600 balancing act of how you know how do we 1853 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,600 value transparency versus making 1854 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,040 administrative things so 1855 01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,239 administratively difficult that it's 1856 01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:29,600 prohibitive. So I personally am not 1857 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,120 ready to vote on this. 1858 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,960 >> Yeah. So maybe I don't know from the 1859 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,880 perspective would be you're looking at a 1860 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,920 $20 million project and you're adding 1861 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,520 $500 1862 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,120 in mailing costs. So what or even a 1863 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,000 thousand or even 2,000 on a 1864 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,760 multi-million, you know, I mean, even 1865 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,600 the homes at Canyon Park, I don't know. 1866 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,400 I've just been on the other side where I 1867 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,560 haven't gotten notices 1868 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,960 um on a huge thing going on in my 1869 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,440 neighborhood and it's frustrating cuz 1870 01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:06,239 you want to we we want to be engaged in 1871 01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:08,480 our community but if we don't aren't 1872 01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:11,600 notified or told I mean if there's a law 1873 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,239 that really does no good 500 ft that one 1874 01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:16,239 was ridiculous that really didn't notify 1875 01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:19,520 anybody you know and even the thousand 1876 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,360 ft we were finding that that wasn't 1877 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,480 notifying everyone. So maybe I'm I'm 1878 01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,360 just saying I'm kind of putting in 1879 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,679 perspective of the cost of the project. 1880 01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:32,880 Yeah. And I don't disagree with the 1881 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,239 theory of what we're trying to do here. 1882 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:35,520 I just need more information before I 1883 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,000 can make an educated decision about it. 1884 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,199 So what how are you going to get more 1885 01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:40,560 information, I guess, is the question 1886 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,080 because you're you're going to have to 1887 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,040 get it depends on where the project is 1888 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,760 in the city. Everyone is going to change 1889 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,880 every notification circle. Oh, Gary has 1890 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,840 an idea. 1891 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:52,880 >> Say 1892 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,040 >> one. Sorry, I don't have a microphone. 1893 01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:56,719 I'll speak loud. 1894 01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:57,920 >> Oh, you 1895 01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,040 >> There's one coming. 1896 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,159 >> You're going to have to get one to get 1897 01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,560 on the 1898 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,600 >> One thing we can do. We've done noticing 1899 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,119 for projects. We know what the cost of 1900 01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:12,239 that project was for the council. We 1901 01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:15,520 could go in and not send out new 1902 01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:20,639 notices, but do the new standard and see 1903 01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:23,360 how many addresses we'd have. And we can 1904 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,280 do that, you know, fairly easily on 1905 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,080 several projects and bring back to you 1906 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,639 and say, "Okay, on this project we spent 1907 01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:32,960 X and now with the new ordinance it 1908 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,560 would be why." 1909 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:35,679 >> I think that would be really helpful. 1910 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:37,199 And I and I think to your point, you 1911 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:38,320 know, the scale, I just have no idea. Is 1912 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,960 this $500? Is this $500? Is this $1,000? 1913 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,639 2,000 or 10 million. I have no idea. So, 1914 01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:43,679 >> well, and I'm just looking at the 1915 01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:45,600 houses. Just the houses behind me. Six 1916 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,040 new homes. They're over a million 1917 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,080 dollars each. So, you've got a probably 1918 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,679 it's probably going to be close to $9 1919 01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:54,080 million project. 1920 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,840 Then, let's find out what the what the 1921 01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,600 increased cost of the post. Maybe use 1922 01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,000 that as an example. Those most recent 1923 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,840 ones. I'm fine with that. That might be 1924 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,520 a good way to get the data 1925 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,119 >> because then you say what percentage, 1926 01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:06,800 you know, is that point is it onetenth 1927 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,719 of 1% which is 1928 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:11,199 >> minuscule. We've been told, but 1929 01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,280 >> we can take some projects and then like 1930 01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:14,960 Gary said, we can have that ready for 1931 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,760 the next meeting. No problem. 1932 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,199 >> Never make them. 1933 01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:22,960 >> Oh, I I will also appreciate that. Um I 1934 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,440 am a huge supporter of increasing the 1935 01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:27,119 radius. I'm a supporter of increasing 1936 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,719 the the timeline. I think we do have 1937 01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:30,000 real problems with people not getting 1938 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,840 adequate notice. Um just the geometric 1939 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,199 growth as we can uh in terms of of 1940 01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:40,239 expectations around notices. I I would 1941 01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:41,360 like the same information. I think 1942 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,960 Gary's suggestion is great. 1943 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,719 >> We'll do that. No problem. 1944 01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:47,679 >> Right. Anybody else? Right. I'm going to 1945 01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,400 just I'll weigh in here that [gasps] I 1946 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,800 really like expanding that radius. I 1947 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,239 think involving the community and and 1948 01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,320 having them be notified of what's 1949 01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,679 happening. And I think that's the the 1950 01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:01,760 com that's what everybody think but 1951 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,119 thinks help here as well. But I'm not I 1952 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:07,040 I'm for me to move forward on this 1953 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,560 ordinance, I don't need to have that 1954 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,880 additional data because I think we need 1955 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:17,760 to do it. But if the council wants to wait and get that information, 1956 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,199 if it would make other council members 1957 01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,679 feel comfortable with that, that's fine 1958 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:24,480 with me as well. So, 1959 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,800 I'm I'm okay either way. 1960 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,040 >> Yeah. I don't need any more information. 1961 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:30,239 I don't know if it's going to benefit 1962 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:32,159 that much, but that's, you know, I'm 1963 01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:33,760 I've been looking at this a lot longer, 1964 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,960 too. So, and had experience. 1965 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,560 So, I know. Do you want a motion so we 1966 01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:39,520 can vote or how would you want to? 1967 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,040 >> Yeah, we'd like to. Yeah, a motion would 1968 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,149 be great. Motion of some sort. 1969 01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:44,719 [laughter] 1970 01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:48,239 >> I move to approve by ordinance. Um, 1971 01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:51,280 amending articles 221420I 1972 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,280 and 2215G 1973 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:54,960 modifying requirements for the conduct 1974 01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:56,800 of neighborhood meetings in advance of 1975 01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,280 applications to the planning commission. 1976 01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,080 >> Right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is 1977 01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,199 there a second? 1978 01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:04,639 >> I'll second that. 1979 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:07,600 >> Okay. We have a motion and a second on 1980 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,080 that. So, we'll go ahead and we'll start 1981 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:13,360 with um you council member Kilpac. I 1982 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,830 >> I 1983 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,040 » uh nay 1984 01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,560 >> I 1985 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:23,840 >> nay 1986 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,520 >> I 1987 01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,689 >> right I think motion carries 5 to2 1988 01:40:28,689 --> 01:40:31,679 [snorts] on that. Thank you. Next item 1989 01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:34,320 on the agenda is amending appendix A. 1990 01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:35,440 It's another public hearing, an 1991 01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:36,880 ordinance amending appendix A of the 1992 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,119 Orange City Code, by including standard 1993 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,600 land use code 6231, beauty and barber 1994 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:45,199 shops and standard land use code 6232, 1995 01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:47,679 tattoo and body piercing as permitted 1996 01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:50,719 uses in the M2 manufacturing zone. So, 1997 01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:52,880 I'll turn the time back over to you, Mr. 1998 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:53,679 Hall. 1999 01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,880 >> Thank you. Uh, thank you. So, this is a 2000 01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,719 request, as you said, to amend um 2001 01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:00,480 appendix A, and I'm going to give you 2002 01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:03,840 the um nickel tour of the situation. So 2003 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,080 the the applicant has a tattoo a tattoo 2004 01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,159 shop and barber shop and he has a 2005 01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:12,400 warehouse where he keeps equipment and 2006 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,119 stores merchandise uh in the M2 zone and 2007 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:18,000 he would like to add three stations two 2008 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,440 for uh two for hair and one for tattoo 2009 01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,080 and body piercing at his location in the 2010 01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,440 M2 zone. those two land use codes 6231 2011 01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:31,199 and 6232 are not uh included in appendix 2012 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:34,880 A for M2 zoning. Um so his his request 2013 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,239 is simply to include those so that he 2014 01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,880 can make that change at his location. Um 2015 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,880 the M2 zone as you can see here in this 2016 01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:44,639 slide is primarily west of I-15. It's 2017 01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:46,080 intended to provide areas for heavy 2018 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,119 industrial uh uses and it allows a 2019 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:52,239 variety of manufacturing uses. um most 2020 01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:55,280 of them um in that standard land use 2021 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,880 codes that we have. The M2 zone is a a 2022 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,480 zone where he owns these buildings or 2023 01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:02,239 owns a building. He wants to add those 2024 01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:04,880 codes because he wants to function this 2025 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,320 way. But one thing that something that 2026 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:07,600 we wanted to make clear to the planning 2027 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:08,719 commission too is that one of the 2028 01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:12,719 concerns at the public hearing was will this open up if we were to make 2029 01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:14,639 this change, would this mean that all of 2030 01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:15,840 our warehousing and all of our 2031 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,360 manufacturing buildings would just be 2032 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,560 would be taken over by cheaper uses like 2033 01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,679 uh like tattooing or by uh by barber 2034 01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:26,320 shops, etc. And the answer is probably 2035 01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,560 not because there's expensive there are 2036 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,800 expensive considerations to to take into 2037 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,360 account. Even if this has changed, you 2038 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,520 still have to make changes to to meet 2039 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,880 fire and building codes, and those are 2040 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,960 usually significant. There's a long ways 2041 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,880 between the occupancies 2042 01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:45,600 uh for warehousing and having people in uh beauty and barber shop situations 2043 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,840 in retail environments. So, it's a it's 2044 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,000 a fairly specific thing. The applicant 2045 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,760 feels like he can capture a group of 2046 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,280 people that are kind of captive down in 2047 01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:54,719 that area that might want to get their 2048 01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:57,040 haircut or or whatever on their lunch 2049 01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,719 breaks or right after work or something 2050 01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:00,400 like that. So, he has an interest in 2051 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:01,440 doing that and he already has the 2052 01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:02,400 building. That's not going to be the 2053 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,400 case for many people. Uh, the planning 2054 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,880 commission did vote uh unanimously after 2055 01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,199 some discussion on May 6th to forward 2056 01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:11,679 this with the recommendation of approval 2057 01:43:11,679 --> 01:43:14,400 uh as an accessory. U just as a note to 2058 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,080 tattooing is only allowed as an 2059 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,159 accessory to beauty and barber shops. 2060 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:20,159 They have to account for less than 15% 2061 01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:22,480 of the total revenue of the shop. Um, 2062 01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:23,280 that's 2063 01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:24,560 >> how do you know that? 2064 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,719 >> It's in the code. It's in the code. It 2065 01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:28,159 would have Oh, you're not saying that 2066 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:29,920 right now it accounts, but 2067 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:34,639 >> we don't know that. We're supposed to I assume collect data on that once in a 2068 01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:35,760 while and know that there's still not 2069 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:36,560 accounting for that. Oh, 2070 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:37,679 >> it's an age-old question. 2071 01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:39,760 >> Okay. But that's in our code is what 2072 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:40,080 you're saying. 2073 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:40,639 >> It's in our code. 2074 01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:42,400 >> Oh, I thought you said he would. Okay. 2075 01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,400 >> Yeah. 2076 01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,960 >> Um the uh these are this is the slide 2077 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,159 where I was supposed to be telling you 2078 01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:50,400 about uh the differences between the 2079 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:54,560 occupancies. Uh but you understand that that change is is quite significant 2080 01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,719 on the building side. 2081 01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:59,199 um the sorry I wanted to just give you 2082 01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:02,639 one more um piece of information about 2083 01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:05,760 that. So uh for this change if that 2084 01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,760 change were made again it's it could be 2085 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,920 applied to any M2 zone. The M2 zone is 2086 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,719 mostly west of I15 right now but there's 2087 01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:14,880 nothing um that keeps anyone from asking 2088 01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:16,800 for an M2 zoning in any part of the 2089 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,119 city. It's not restricted like uh the PD 2090 01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:20,080 zones that are only in certain 2091 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,639 geographic areas or such. So that's 2092 01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:24,320 something to be aware of. Uh any 2093 01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:25,600 questions? I'm sorry about the the 2094 01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,199 ramble on that. 2095 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:28,639 >> Council, you have any questions? Council 2096 01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:30,800 member Lamson, 2097 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,600 >> did we at one point in time have a limit 2098 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,360 of the number of tattoo parlors that 2099 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,199 could be in ORM? 2100 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:38,719 >> I don't know the answer to that 2101 01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:40,560 question. I'm sorry. We we might have. 2102 01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:41,760 There are certain uses that we only 2103 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,880 allow certain numbers of per capita. I 2104 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:46,800 don't think tattoo has had that. 2105 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,639 >> No, I I don't think tattoo parlors are one of those uses. 2106 01:44:50,639 --> 01:44:52,159 >> Okay. I know they're not now. I don't 2107 01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,719 know if they ever were. Thank you. 2108 01:44:54,719 --> 01:44:56,880 >> Any other questions? Right. Is the 2109 01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,709 applicant here? 2110 01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:02,000 » All right. Oh, you have a question. 2111 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,280 Okay. Council member Millet. 2112 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:04,719 >> Oh, I don't know. It was going to be for 2113 01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:07,520 the applicant. Do Do they want Are they 2114 01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,840 Do they have to have the tattoo 2115 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:11,760 connection or can we just approve the 2116 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,199 barber shop and they'd be okay with 2117 01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:13,840 that? 2118 01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,840 >> Um I I don't know the answer to that 2119 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,199 question. I 2120 01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:18,239 >> They don't have those Did they have 2121 01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:19,520 those conversations in planning 2122 01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:20,239 commission? Now, 2123 01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:21,600 >> not about one or the one versus the 2124 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,159 other. just hesitant to expand. We 2125 01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:26,639 already have tattooing and tattoo and 2126 01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:27,600 free. 2127 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:28,719 >> So, okay. 2128 01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:30,480 >> His current business is both and so he 2129 01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:31,760 just wanted to be able to duplicate it 2130 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:32,560 down there. 2131 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,639 >> Right. Councilman, do you have a 2132 01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:35,440 question? 2133 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,119 >> Um, I don't have a question, but I I was 2134 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:38,960 at that meeting uh when the applicant 2135 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,639 was there. I don't want to speak on 2136 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:42,239 behalf of the applicant, but as I 2137 01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:43,840 recall, 2138 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,119 um the tattooing was um just very very 2139 01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:50,080 adjacent to the the the barber shop 2140 01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:54,159 activities. it was uh small tattoos and 2141 01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:56,320 kind of cosmetic tattoos and so they 2142 01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:57,600 felt like they were comfortable with 2143 01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,280 this language because they felt like 2144 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,520 this was a small part of their business 2145 01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:02,080 model. 2146 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,679 >> Right. 2147 01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:06,159 >> Okay. Any other questions? The 2148 01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:08,000 applicant's not here. I have mixed 2149 01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,239 feelings about that 2150 01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:12,080 because I like I like having the 2151 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:15,600 applicant here, but here we are. And so 2152 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,679 I guess we'll just go forward and open 2153 01:46:17,679 --> 01:46:19,280 the public hearing. Is there anyone who 2154 01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,880 would like to speak to this uh this item 2155 01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,323 on the agenda this ordinance amendment? 2156 01:46:26,323 --> 01:46:27,119 [sighs and gasps] 2157 01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:28,800 Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public 2158 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,000 hearing and bring it back to the 2159 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:34,239 council. Okay, council, 2160 01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:37,760 what would you like to do? 2161 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:38,719 Okay, council. 2162 01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:41,360 >> Well, okay. 2163 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:42,639 So, I want to give him the barber shop, 2164 01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:44,320 but I don't want to do the the tattoo. 2165 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,159 So, what do we do? What what do I He's 2166 01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,800 not here to talk about that then. So 2167 01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,679 >> he's not his request is for both. I 2168 01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,679 don't know if if I mean you can you 2169 01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:55,199 could you can do that. 2170 01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:56,239 >> I just 2171 01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:58,080 >> can we continue it until the applicant 2172 01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,920 is here. Can we continue it to the next 2173 01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:02,400 meeting invite him to attend and he can 2174 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,080 answer the question council. Would that 2175 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:05,840 be beneficial to have the applicant here 2176 01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,199 or do you feel comfortable moving 2177 01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:11,119 forward? Okay. We are we okay? Okay. It 2178 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:14,239 looks like we comfortable I'm seeing 2179 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:17,199 comfortable moving forward. Uh just one 2180 01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:18,719 question for Jared. Jared, can you 2181 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:20,000 remind us what the planning commission 2182 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,119 vote on this was? 2183 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:22,960 >> Planning commission vote was and I 2184 01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,080 appreciate that. Thank you. The planning 2185 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,000 commission vote was 7 to 0 to recommend 2186 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:26,560 approval. 2187 01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:32,390 >> Thank you. All right. 2188 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,280 I'm comfortable with both personally, 2189 01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,119 but I'm I try to make a habit of not 2190 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:39,040 making a motion as as the one conducting 2191 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,440 the meeting. But just so just so you 2192 01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,920 council members as you are as you're 2193 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,750 contemplating that. 2194 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:48,560 Yeah. Go ahead. 2195 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,679 >> Okay. I make a motion to approve by 2196 01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:53,840 ordinance amending appendix A of the ORM 2197 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,800 city code by including standard land use 2198 01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,400 number get my glasses 6231 beauty and 2199 01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,320 barber shops and standard land use code 2200 01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,639 6232 tattoo and body piercing as 2201 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,400 permitted uses in the M2 manufacturing 2202 01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,960 zone. Right. Thank you. A motion. Is 2203 01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,400 there a second? 2204 01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:14,239 >> Can I ask a question before we vote? Can 2205 01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,000 you go back to the slide that shows the 2206 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,329 M2 zone 2207 01:48:18,329 --> 01:48:19,520 [gasps] 2208 01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,400 and that's basically that gray area, 2209 01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:23,440 >> darker gray? 2210 01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:26,400 >> Okay. 2211 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,639 On the um That's a great question. I 2212 01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,480 apologize. This was Becca's project. I 2213 01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:31,679 don't know the location. I think it's 2214 01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:37,990 North End. 2215 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,600 Yeah, that there's there's some in this north area there's some mix of 2216 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,440 public facilities and M2. But 2217 01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,199 >> do you know what that is, Bren? 2218 01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:46,800 >> I would guess that that public 2219 01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,440 facilities would be Storm Brain. What do 2220 01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,760 you think, Chris? 2221 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,199 >> That's 2222 01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:54,960 >> Oh, that's the public works building. 2223 01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:56,960 Yeah, there you go. 2224 01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,000 >> Oh, it is. 2225 01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,960 >> Is that We need our 12th. 2226 01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,760 >> Oh, Mr. Shy's like, "Duh, council, don't 2227 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,440 you know the public works building when 2228 01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:07,040 you see it?" 2229 01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,560 >> We always forget about you people down 2230 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:09,520 there. So, 2231 01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:10,560 >> that's a big building. 2232 01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:11,679 >> Beautiful building. 2233 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,679 >> There's a strong desire in public works 2234 01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:15,360 for tattoos. 2235 01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,159 >> Yes. 2236 01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,520 >> Sorry. The the public facilities up 2237 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,000 within the PD36 though is a regional 2238 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,119 storm drain detention basis. [gasps] 2239 01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:26,000 >> All right. 2240 01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,800 >> Okay. Thank you. And sorry to interrupt. 2241 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,480 >> Okay. We have a motion. And is there a 2242 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,360 sec a motion to approve the the 2243 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,639 amendment as presented this evening? Is 2244 01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:38,960 there a second? 2245 01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:39,920 >> I'll second that. 2246 01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:41,280 >> All right. Thank you, Council Member 2247 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,159 Mikum. Any further discussion? 2248 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:46,560 Okay. I will vote I. 2249 01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:47,360 >> I. 2250 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:48,639 >> No, I'm going to vote nay because I'm 2251 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,320 concerned that we're expanding tattoos. 2252 01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,639 We already have them in C2 and C3 and I 2253 01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:54,000 don't know why we want to put them in 2254 01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:56,159 R2. So nay. 2255 01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:59,189 >> I 2256 01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:01,600 nay. I share similar concerns. 2257 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:02,719 >> I 2258 01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:07,990 >> All right. Thank you. Motion carries 52. 2259 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,199 Next item on the agenda is um public 2260 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:12,880 hearing and ordinance amending section 2261 01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,390 22-11-17B 2262 01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,639 of the ORM city code including standard 2263 01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:22,080 land use codes 7424 recreation centers 2264 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,360 general as a permitted use in the PD5 2265 01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,600 zone. So we'll turn the time over to you 2266 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,080 again Mr. Hall. Thank you. And and if 2267 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,679 you noticed, um, in addition to having 2268 01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:33,199 that duplicate slide, I also put these 2269 01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:35,119 all in the wrong order tonight, too. So, 2270 01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:38,400 I'm I'm doing great. Um, this is a this 2271 01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:41,119 is a good opportunity to, uh, to explain 2272 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:42,560 the difference here. This this 2273 01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,239 particular text amendment is uh is a 2274 01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:47,600 little bit different, although it's also 2275 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,760 just altering. All it's a request to do 2276 01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,480 is to alter the list of approvable uses, 2277 01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:54,719 the list of permitted uses. In normal 2278 01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:55,920 zones, you get to do that by just 2279 01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,639 altering appendix A, our our standard 2280 01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:00,719 land use list, the giant monstrosity of 2281 01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:03,440 a list of uses. In the case of this PD 2282 01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,280 zone, it's a part of that zoning and so 2283 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,119 it's an article within that that PD 2284 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:08,400 zones. So that's why the difference 2285 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,480 there in case anybody noticed and was 2286 01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:12,000 concerned about that. That's why the 2287 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,800 difference 7424 is recreation centers 2288 01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,280 general. This is the result of fun city 2289 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,280 coming in and wanting to be part of a a 2290 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:20,800 take over the Joann's building that was 2291 01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,400 in this location. 2292 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,520 um they're more of a they they came in 2293 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,040 and said, "Well, we're like a gymnasium 2294 01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,199 and we view it with an arcade and party 2295 01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:31,040 rooms and and all those kind of things 2296 01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,119 as more general recreation." Uh they 2297 01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:34,880 were willing to ask for the amendment 2298 01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,800 and so we've been bringing them forward 2299 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,639 with this. The planning commission did 2300 01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:40,639 vote unanimously at the same meeting on 2301 01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:44,159 May 6th to recommend approval of this uh 2302 01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:45,920 request to add this to it. The the most 2303 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,480 recent change was to add gymnasiums and 2304 01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:50,159 things in that same category, that same 2305 01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:54,159 list of 7,400 amusements and and uh and 2306 01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,679 sports types facilities. Um it does, as 2307 01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:00,560 was mentioned by the mayor, PD5, uh runs 2308 01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,639 up along University Parkway. There's a 2309 01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:04,960 variety of different uses in there, and 2310 01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:06,960 the planning commission felt like it met 2311 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,679 the purposes of this uh zone. It didn't 2312 01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,760 fall outside of the the uh the purposes. 2313 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,280 It didn't change the architecture, the 2314 01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,199 landscaping, the parking needs. It just 2315 01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:16,960 added one more use and brought a use in 2316 01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,360 that was available. Um, these are all 2317 01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:23,760 examples of how the appendix works. Um, 2318 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,400 this is uh again, this is amending this 2319 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,480 section to add uh uh general recreation. 2320 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:32,480 The most recent ones for health spas and 2321 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,560 gymnasiums and athletic clubs that just 2322 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,679 didn't quite fit. Um, it doesn't again 2323 01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:39,119 change any of the architecture 2324 01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:40,159 requirements, the parking or 2325 01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:41,840 landscaping. It's just that use request 2326 01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,000 and that's all. Uh, planning commission 2327 01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,320 did vote to recommend approval and if I 2328 01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:47,520 can answer any questions for you if you 2329 01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:48,560 have any. 2330 01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:49,840 >> Thank you. Council, do you have any 2331 01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,719 questions? 2332 01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:55,760 All right. This is um I don't I'm 2333 01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,840 assuming I since I know everybody in the 2334 01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,239 audience, I don't think either one of 2335 01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:04,080 you are the applicant for fun city. So, 2336 01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,239 our applicant is not here this evening 2337 01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:08,639 again. So, 2338 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:10,560 um, I will go ahead and open up the 2339 01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,639 public hearing. If there's anyone who 2340 01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:15,920 would like to speak to the proposed 2341 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,400 amendment to add recreation centers to 2342 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,560 the PD5 zone, you're welcome to come 2343 01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,520 forward. 2344 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,639 See nobody wanting to do that, I'll go 2345 01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:28,880 ahead and close the public hearing and 2346 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:30,480 bring it back to the council for 2347 01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:32,880 discussion. So, council, how do you feel 2348 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,159 about recreation centers as a permitted 2349 01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:40,709 use in the PD5 zone? 2350 01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:42,000 » Go ahead. 2351 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,000 >> Yeah, I'm just uh maybe sharing a couple 2352 01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:45,280 of things that came out of the planning 2353 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:46,719 commission hearing on this where the 2354 01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:51,040 applicant was here. Uh 2355 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,679 again this is uh this is an experiential 2356 01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:56,719 recreational environment u with games 2357 01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:59,440 and trampolines and ball pits and things 2358 01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:03,760 is was the idea. Uh, one of my questions 2359 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,840 initially on this was how do the 2360 01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,960 neighbors, the commercial neighbors feel 2361 01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:12,239 about that? And, uh, we heard in that 2362 01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:14,639 planning commission hearing that, uh, 2363 01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,159 there's a lot of enthusiasm in that 2364 01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:18,480 particular, uh, commercial district 2365 01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:20,080 because they feel like it will bring a 2366 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,960 lot of of families in and a lot of 2367 01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,239 family traffic and that that would be 2368 01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:27,040 good a good redevelopment opportunity 2369 01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:29,440 uh, in that part of our commercial zone. 2370 01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:31,760 Um, I would also say that, you know, one 2371 01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,520 of the the opportunities ORM has going 2372 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,480 forward is uh as as we think about our 2373 01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,599 economic strategy to have a lot of of 2374 01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:43,679 experiential uh retail or experiential 2375 01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:47,119 uh businesses that I think this fits in 2376 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:49,760 and so I'm supportive of this this uh 2377 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,599 amendment. 2378 01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:54,159 >> Right. Thank you, Council Member Mikum. 2379 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:56,800 Any other comments? Council member 2380 01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:00,960 Millet. So I just have a question. Um, 2381 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,800 and this is kind of a little more 2382 01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,719 ideological or whatever moving forward. 2383 01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:07,599 So we have a lot of PE and they're set 2384 01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:10,080 and we're starting to see some 2385 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,400 revitalization and changes in some of 2386 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:13,760 these at least I have the last few 2387 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:17,440 years. So is this the best way to move 2388 01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,400 forward with this and not necessarily 2389 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,599 this project but I mean changes to PD 2390 01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:25,679 zones? Should we have our planning 2391 01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:28,320 commission look into 2392 01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,239 um 2393 01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:34,000 differing zones, different ways to make 2394 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,239 those changes and encourage development 2395 01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:39,679 of specific as council member Mikum 2396 01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:40,719 said, you know, 2397 01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:42,480 >> that's that's a great question. 2398 01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,239 >> It's a great question. It is a is a it 2399 01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,080 is sort of a philosophical one. if we're 2400 01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:47,920 going forward different ways, ED zones 2401 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,679 might not be the way to to do it because 2402 01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:51,679 they become limiting and then as as 2403 01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:54,000 retail changes, you've got to adjust the 2404 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,920 entire zone. Uh the planning commission 2405 01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:57,599 in in talking about the general plan has 2406 01:55:57,599 --> 01:55:59,760 been talking recently about adjusting 2407 01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,480 our commercial zones, looking at um at 2408 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,480 more specialized zones, encouraging 2409 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:05,840 trying to use the zoning to encourage 2410 01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,719 rather than just to uh to differentiate 2411 01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:10,400 between uses. So, it's been on their 2412 01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,480 minds. Yeah. And then it's one of the 2413 01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:14,000 topics we've been talking about. Might 2414 01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,199 that be a better way forward than 2415 01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:16,400 planned development zones? 2416 01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:17,920 >> Okay, because I'm really seeing like the 2417 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,159 C3 zone, right? It used it it's it was 2418 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:22,480 to preserve to have a buffer. It was 2419 01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:24,159 supposed to be a buffer from residents 2420 01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:27,520 C3 to C2. It's not that anymore because 2421 01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:29,760 we've added tattoo parlors in there. 2422 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,599 We've added things the last few years. 2423 01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:34,239 So, um anyway, just thank you. I 2424 01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:35,360 appreciate that thought. Maybe we can 2425 01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:36,320 have that conversation. 2426 01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,000 >> That's a great thought. Thank you, 2427 01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,000 >> Mayor and Council. We're probably due to 2428 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,679 have, you know, kind of a joint meeting 2429 01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:43,119 between the planning commission and 2430 01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:45,040 council at, you know, some future work 2431 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:47,119 session so we could make note to make 2432 01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:49,280 this, you know, one of the discussion 2433 01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:53,040 points as we do that again here in the 2434 01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:53,840 next months, 2435 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,520 >> right? Yeah, that that'd be good. That'd 2436 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,360 be something I'd look forward to. Any 2437 01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,760 other comments, council? 2438 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,719 Okay. I would look for some sort of 2439 01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:08,080 action on this. Mayor, I move to approve 2440 01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,599 uh by ordinance amending section 2441 01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:12,950 22-11-17B 2442 01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:14,719 of the Oram city code by including 2443 01:57:14,719 --> 01:57:17,119 standard land use number 742 24 2444 01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:18,960 recreation centers general as a 2445 01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,360 permitted use in the PD5 zone. 2446 01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:22,320 >> I'll second that. 2447 01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,080 >> Right. Thank you. We have a motion in a 2448 01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:27,119 second. Is there any further discussion? 2449 01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:29,040 >> All right. I just before we vote, I just 2450 01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:30,320 want to say that I agree with what 2451 01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,920 council member Mikum said. I think 2452 01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,440 working I think this will help 2453 01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:36,159 revitalize that shopping center and will 2454 01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:38,400 bring fun 2455 01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:42,239 to the area. So, um maybe not for people 2456 01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:45,679 my age get stuck in a ball pit, but here 2457 01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:48,880 we are. Um we'll go ahead and if there's 2458 01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,400 no further discussion, start with 2459 01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,880 council member Mikum. The vote 2460 01:57:52,880 --> 01:58:01,119 >> I motion carries. Thank you. Thank you 2461 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:03,040 all so much. 2462 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:04,480 >> Right, next item on the agenda is 2463 01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:05,840 another public hearing. It's an 2464 01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:10,239 ordinance um fiscal 2025 2026 budget 2465 01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:12,560 amendments. So turn the time over to 2466 01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,400 Brandon Nelson, our chief financial 2467 01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:39,030 officer. 2468 01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,760 Thank you, mayor. 2469 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,199 All right. So, first up, uh, on our 2470 01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:47,599 budget amendments, uh, this is the last 2471 01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:50,159 one of the fiscal year, of course, uh, 2472 01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:53,520 to try to get those items into our 2473 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,480 budget, uh, so that, uh, we don't have 2474 01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,599 any missteps in that regard. Um, just 2475 01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,040 going down the list through our our 2476 01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,760 notes. So, note uh, the items with a 2477 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,599 note of one um, are again grants and, 2478 01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:10,960 uh, donations primarily. Um and as you 2479 01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,440 scroll through, you know, those various 2480 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,480 grants, uh and donations, 2481 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,560 uh most of them, you know, are in 2482 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,679 relation to emergency preparedness, uh 2483 01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:23,920 in park cameras, 2484 01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,480 um equipment for the internet crimes 2485 01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,960 against children, those kind of grants. 2486 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,440 We also um have uh some unique one. 2487 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,119 You'll see kind of right in the middle 2488 01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:34,639 under the capital improvement project 2489 01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:38,000 fund. Um railroad uh crossing safety 2490 01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,719 grant that we just barely received. Uh a 2491 01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:43,199 grant from MAG for the North Union Canal 2492 01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:47,520 Trail Master Plan uh to study that. Uh 2493 01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:49,520 obviously the Gold Star, we strangely 2494 01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,119 enough, we still continue to receive 2495 01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:53,292 donations for the Gold Star memorial. 2496 01:59:53,292 --> 01:59:54,320 [laughter] 2497 01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:59,520 Um which is great. And uh and then uh uh 2498 01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,840 Orammfest. Uh there's some donations in 2499 02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,400 there um related to Oramfest. You'll see 2500 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,880 more actually um come our next one in 2501 02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:14,800 next year as kind of a lag there um as we do those. And then um 2502 02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:16,719 those are those are the the majority of 2503 02:00:16,719 --> 02:00:19,280 the the grant and donation items. Are 2504 02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,360 any questions about those in particular 2505 02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:22,719 that you see that maybe you had a 2506 02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:25,840 question about? Council, any questions? 2507 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:26,239 >> Right. 2508 02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:29,599 >> Okay. Then uh item number two, which 2509 02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:32,800 you'll see right here 2510 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,599 near the top, 2511 02:00:35,599 --> 02:00:38,800 uh fees, ambulance services. So our 2512 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,400 ambulance revenues have um been uh quite 2513 02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:45,360 good. And so as part of that, there's 2514 02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,040 actually, you'll find this hard to 2515 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:49,119 believe, but our collection company 2516 02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:53,119 costs also go up with those uh higher 2517 02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,360 revenues as we don't do that ourselves. 2518 02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:58,080 We hire a third party to do that. Um so 2519 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,239 there are also not only are there the 2520 02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,080 normal collection costs, but we've had 2521 02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,560 additional collection costs related to a 2522 02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,280 third party collection agency. when the 2523 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,480 um Gul Ross who is our collection agent 2524 02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,320 um doesn't collect then they turn it 2525 02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:13,760 over to that third party collection 2526 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,679 agency and and they try to collect on it 2527 02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:17,920 as well. So so there's some cost there 2528 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,800 and then as uh we actually have to pay 2529 02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,320 state the state uh Medicaid fees in 2530 02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:30,159 relation to any Medicaid billings that we have. So all of those fees also 2531 02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:32,080 are part of why we're making this 2532 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,080 amendment so that we can make sure that 2533 02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:36,320 we're covering those costs in relation 2534 02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:39,840 to those additional ambulance revenues. 2535 02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,000 Any particular question about that 2536 02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:44,239 particular item? 2537 02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:46,560 Great. Item number three right below 2538 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:50,000 that uh police services for those fees. 2539 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,080 Um we came to you in our last budget 2540 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:55,679 amendment um discussing UVU and the fees 2541 02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:58,000 that they have been paying to our uh 2542 02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,960 police uh in covering overtime shifts. 2543 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:05,040 Um and this uh kind of brings that uh to 2544 02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,679 current as far as um what billings that 2545 02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:11,119 we have received and uh from them. Um 2546 02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:14,480 and obviously the almost all of that 2547 02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,280 covers overtime costs that are being 2548 02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:21,199 spent within our police department. Any 2549 02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:24,000 questions about that particular one? 2550 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,239 Okay. 2551 02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:29,440 Um item number four, which you can see 2552 02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,320 just a little bit lower on there in the 2553 02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,560 within the general fund that says lease 2554 02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:38,000 purchase financing proceeds. Um that is 2555 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,760 uh recording the uh lease ar financing 2556 02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,599 arrangement that we have made with JP 2557 02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:46,159 Morgan Chase in relation to our new fire 2558 02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:49,360 engine. um which I believe uh received 2559 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,080 documents to have that funded and paid 2560 02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,880 for. So that should happen here tomorrow 2561 02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,760 or Thursday at the latest uh to be able 2562 02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:00,639 to finalize uh getting that paid u I 2563 02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:02,880 believe the engine is up in Salt Lake 2564 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,520 and then could be delivered um at at 2565 02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,159 once that payment is made. So this is 2566 02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,239 just finalizing that transaction within 2567 02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:12,400 our budget. 2568 02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:16,239 Um item number five you see on there the 2569 02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:17,599 at the bottom of the general fund 2570 02:03:17,599 --> 02:03:22,159 section uh fund 63 safety issues. Um the 2571 02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:24,560 that particular fund 63 is our self- 2572 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:27,040 insurance fund. Um it is contributing 2573 02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:30,159 dollars uh for the purchase of uh safety 2574 02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:34,400 barricades for events. Um and so this is 2575 02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:38,080 paying for those um which unfortunately 2576 02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,000 more and more of a need in relation to 2577 02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:43,440 having barricades as we particularly for 2578 02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,800 Warhamfest but and many of our other um 2579 02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,320 uh events as well. 2580 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:55,199 Uh item number six in the uh road BNC 2581 02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:58,480 road special revenue fund. Uh we are 2582 02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,480 beginning the final phase of our street 2583 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:02,159 lighting conversion from Rocky Mountain 2584 02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:04,639 Power to our own street lighting. And 2585 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:08,000 this is using the appropriated surplus 2586 02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,679 funds within um that special uh revenue 2587 02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:16,950 fund to fund that final phase. 2588 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,520 A little further down in number seven 2589 02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:23,119 within our water fund. Um you can see 2590 02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:25,840 the uh which 2591 02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:29,840 uh we're we have been having some money 2592 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:33,199 that falls to our surplus uh account 2593 02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:35,280 within the water fund and we are now 2594 02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,840 appropriating those reserves for uh 2595 02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:40,320 spring waterline improvements uh that 2596 02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,360 will be going uh beginning here shortly. 2597 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,599 Uh so it's using those funds to fund 2598 02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:47,440 that project. 2599 02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,639 Right below that item number eight, um 2600 02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:53,280 same thing, they have some surplus funds 2601 02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:56,719 in the storm water fund and they're 2602 02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:59,199 intending to do a variety of different 2603 02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:02,800 storm water um improvements in relation 2604 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,920 to some of those may be uh storm the 2605 02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:08,719 canal related. Some of those are just 2606 02:05:08,719 --> 02:05:11,040 other um related uh storm water 2607 02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,679 improvements that need to be happen. And 2608 02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:16,800 so it's u appropriating those surplus 2609 02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,840 funds for those projects. 2610 02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,040 Um item number nine uh related to the 2611 02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:26,880 solid waste fund. Um you'll recall we I 2612 02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,360 last budget this last budget year we did 2613 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:33,280 not raise um our garbage rates. Um so we 2614 02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:36,960 uh did that with um some possibility 2615 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:40,080 that uh the revenue the amount of 2616 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:42,080 revenues would not necessarily cover the 2617 02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:45,119 amount of the solid waste contract. Um 2618 02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:49,840 this particular uh budget amendment then 2619 02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:51,280 unfortunately has come to the 2620 02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,360 realization that that solid waste 2621 02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:55,679 contract will be a little bit short in 2622 02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:58,239 covering that contract. So with full 2623 02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:00,960 anticipation of using reserves for that 2624 02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,000 um we're now uh asking for this 2625 02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,599 proposing this budget amendment to cover 2626 02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:09,910 those contract costs. 2627 02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:13,920 Uh item number 10 uh are purchasing a 2628 02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,560 warehouse uh down at the public works 2629 02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,960 facility. We have been kind of saving 2630 02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:22,400 some money um in that fund to purchase a 2631 02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:25,520 new van for our uh warehouse staff to be 2632 02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:28,000 able to deliver product to the various 2633 02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,840 uh places throughout the city. Uh the 2634 02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:31,760 time has come to replace that van. And 2635 02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:34,880 so this uh budget amendment appropriates 2636 02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,599 that those savings that have been in our 2637 02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:43,750 uh surplus to purchase that van. 2638 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:46,719 Item number, excuse me, item number 11 2639 02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:49,360 related to the senior citizens fund. Uh 2640 02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:51,679 there are basically two partic well 2641 02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:53,360 three particular items. The first one 2642 02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:55,040 you see is that miscellaneous revenue 2643 02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:58,400 tours. So we have additional revenue. Um 2644 02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,880 within that there's also an additional 2645 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,520 expense. So this raises the revenue to 2646 02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:05,920 cover that additional expense for those 2647 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:09,599 tours. Um the four items following that, 2648 02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:11,760 the donations, membership dues, meals, 2649 02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,360 and appropriating surplus from 2650 02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,800 operations. All of those changes are to 2651 02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,880 cover the meals program that is there. 2652 02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:23,440 So we, you know, had a very a variety of 2653 02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:25,599 sources to be able to to cover those 2654 02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:27,760 costs for that meals program. And those 2655 02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:29,840 four items were the ones that we were 2656 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:31,920 able to do that with. And then the last 2657 02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:34,560 item appropriating that surplus that's 2658 02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,960 misnamed the carryover of capital 2659 02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,800 projects but we are appropriating 2660 02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:42,639 surplus from uh the surplus to uh buy a 2661 02:07:42,639 --> 02:07:44,880 floor scrubber that is specific to the 2662 02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:48,239 senior center. Um and so that that unit 2663 02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:50,159 will once purchased will stay down there 2664 02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:52,560 at the city center and replacing a a I 2665 02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:53,599 don't even think they have one 2666 02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:56,639 currently. So that that will be a a good 2667 02:07:56,639 --> 02:07:59,520 benefit for them down there. 2668 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:04,159 And then I think 12 is the last one. And 2669 02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:06,480 over at Library Hall, uh they have 2670 02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:08,719 various rentals throughout the year and 2671 02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:10,800 those rentals have exceeded their uh 2672 02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:14,719 current budget. Um as well as when 2673 02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:17,679 various artists come and sell product, 2674 02:08:17,679 --> 02:08:21,199 those sales go through our system. Um 2675 02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:24,320 and so we're recording that revenue that 2676 02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:27,280 we've received. a portion of those 2677 02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:30,320 revenues go back to those artists. And 2678 02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:32,480 so we're increasing or on the 2679 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:34,800 expenditure side, we're also increasing 2680 02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:39,599 that where those um uh amounts that are 2681 02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:43,440 sent back to the uh artists are spent as 2682 02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,760 well as uh increasing employee 2683 02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,920 development, some employee development 2684 02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:51,199 um uh expenditure account, budget 2685 02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:53,679 accounts, as well as some equipment that 2686 02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:56,159 to purchase for library hall as well. 2687 02:08:56,159 --> 02:09:00,079 So, that's everything I have. Unless you 2688 02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:02,400 want to talk about the $50 item that I 2689 02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:05,280 didn't put a note on. 2690 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,520 >> Does anyone want to talk about the $50 2691 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:08,880 item? He did not put a note. 2692 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:10,719 >> Well, now that he mentioned it, 2693 02:09:10,719 --> 02:09:13,280 >> I know you drew our attention. 2694 02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,159 >> Yeah. So, we just had uh um some trustee 2695 02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:18,159 fees that came in $50 higher than what 2696 02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:21,119 we had budgeted. So, we had to cover 2697 02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:21,760 that cost. 2698 02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,000 >> Totally. I don't like accounts being in 2699 02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,480 overspent. So I threw it in there. 2700 02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,800 >> He This is a Is it cleansing? A 2701 02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:30,639 confession just happened. Counsel. 2702 02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:31,199 >> Yes. 2703 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,280 >> So now we now we feel okay. You feel 2704 02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:33,760 better. 2705 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:34,800 >> I'm good. Thank you. 2706 02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:37,840 >> Good. I'm glad. We want to help you feel good. Okay. 2707 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,960 >> That shows the detail that brand. 2708 02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:42,320 >> Thank you, chef. 2709 02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:43,520 >> Feels eagleized. 2710 02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,419 >> Thank you for being a good sport. 2711 02:09:45,419 --> 02:09:46,639 [laughter] 2712 02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:50,079 >> Council, any other questions on this? 2713 02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:52,239 Right. It's a Oh, we do have a question. 2714 02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:54,560 Council member Mikum, I'm sorry. Uh so 2715 02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:57,119 this is the end of our fiscal year and 2716 02:09:57,119 --> 02:09:59,360 uh a lot of these items are just 2717 02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:01,520 reconciling things, cleaning things up 2718 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,199 um to make sure that we've done what we 2719 02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:04,239 need to do by the end of the fiscal 2720 02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:04,719 year. 2721 02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:05,199 >> Correct. 2722 02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:07,119 >> U could you just provide us with a 2723 02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:09,119 little bit of a higher level? How did we 2724 02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:12,159 do on our budget this year? Uh and you 2725 02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,320 know are how how well did we do at 2726 02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:19,520 estimating our costs and revenues and where are we coming in at the end of 2727 02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,560 the year? I honestly I'm not there 2728 02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,440 because to be honest a lot of on the 2729 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:28,639 expenditure side we're we're we're 2730 02:10:28,639 --> 02:10:31,040 meeting those. The question more becomes 2731 02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:33,280 on the revenue side because I don't have 2732 02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,840 all of those a lot of the revenues 2733 02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,840 particularly sales tax. We don't have 2734 02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:40,400 those yet there there's a two-month lag 2735 02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:42,639 in sales tax. There's a one-mon lag in 2736 02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:46,079 property tax. There's a one-mon lag a 2737 02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:48,480 one and two month lag in franchise 2738 02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,199 taxes. So, from the revenue side of the 2739 02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:54,239 house, I don't have the answers. It all 2740 02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:57,280 is looking relatively positive, like 2741 02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:58,880 we're going to be fine hitting budget 2742 02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,360 for that, if not uh slightly exceeding 2743 02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:04,560 it. Um, but from the expenditure side of 2744 02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,800 the house, we've been able to keep those 2745 02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:10,079 things inside of what was budgeted. 2746 02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:11,360 I don't know if that totally answers 2747 02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:13,040 your question, Council Member Mikum. 2748 02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:16,880 >> Um, the half answer you gave was great. 2749 02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,920 Uh unfortunately lot until we get start 2750 02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:22,320 working on through our audit basically 2751 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,520 in late August and September I really 2752 02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:27,199 that's kind of the answer you're going 2753 02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,840 to generally get. 2754 02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:32,320 >> Question can I this and this might be BJ 2755 02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:33,679 I'm not sure if you need to answer this 2756 02:11:33,679 --> 02:11:35,360 one or Brandon if you know. So I'm very 2757 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:38,000 interested in the item one internet 2758 02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,119 crimes against children grant. I 2759 02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:45,840 attended that um event at library hall 2760 02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,040 and I guess my question is I want to I 2761 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,880 want to talk about that event but I my 2762 02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,679 question is is that a set grant? Are we 2763 02:11:53,679 --> 02:11:55,679 getting that every year? Is that going 2764 02:11:55,679 --> 02:11:57,040 to increase decrease? What 2765 02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:00,079 >> it's not set but we do pretty much have 2766 02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:02,400 gotten it every year I [snorts] don't 2767 02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:04,719 know for at least the last decade. 2768 02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:06,480 >> So this was incredible. It was 2769 02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:09,199 disturbing. Right. So, we uh your 2770 02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:10,960 wonderful police officers Cameron, 2771 02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:13,840 right? She um I think it was her that 2772 02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,679 did the presentation and they showed the 2773 02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:17,280 apps that as parents you should never 2774 02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:21,040 allow on your children's phone. And um 2775 02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:22,639 they said at the beginning of the 2776 02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:25,280 meeting, you know, a couple of us uh 2777 02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:27,280 that use that do this online 2778 02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:29,199 solicitation stuff pretend to be 2779 02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:30,800 juveniles online. We're going to do that 2780 02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:32,639 right now when the meeting starts and 2781 02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:33,760 then we're going to tell you what we 2782 02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:37,360 find. So very disturbing, you know, 2783 02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:39,280 contact with and then they'd come on and 2784 02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:41,440 say, 'Well, we have a man in Murray that 2785 02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:43,679 thinks I'm a 13-year-old boy and he's 2786 02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:45,199 ready to come pick me up down here in 2787 02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:46,159 Orum. 2788 02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:51,119 >> So, I guess I appreciate what 2789 02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:53,840 they do. It's got to be so hard and 2790 02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:56,639 disturbing to be in that world. Um, and 2791 02:12:56,639 --> 02:12:59,520 I guess my point is what do we need to 2792 02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,679 do or what can we do to make sure that 2793 02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:03,360 you get that grant, that you get that 2794 02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:06,079 funding? Who does that come through? How 2795 02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:09,199 do we keep that program running? 2796 02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:13,520 >> The is this on? It's a state grant. Um, 2797 02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:16,800 it has historically gone down 2798 02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,280 year-over-year by sometimes a few 2799 02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,000 hundred, sometimes a few thousand. Um, 2800 02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,960 and so it's supplemented by our existing 2801 02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:28,639 budget. And so, uh, that mainly goes 2802 02:13:28,639 --> 02:13:32,560 for, uh, software, uh, and training, uh, 2803 02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,639 for those officers, 2804 02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:37,040 um, and sometimes hearts, uh, computer 2805 02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:40,400 hardware. So, uh, what the grant doesn't 2806 02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:43,440 cover, we make up with our own budget. 2807 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,360 >> Okay. So, if we're ever asked, 2808 02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,119 >> I think when we first started it was 2809 02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:50,800 around $25,000 and as you can and then 2810 02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:52,400 gradually being whittleled away down to 2811 02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,040 where $16,000. And do we ever do we know 2812 02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:56,639 why is there 2813 02:13:56,639 --> 02:13:59,360 >> I think there's just more people asking 2814 02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:01,119 for it, more agencies across the state 2815 02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:04,800 that are uh receiving funds for that. So 2816 02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:06,719 I don't it's not a neglect on our part 2817 02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:10,880 or we're not doing our part to um meet 2818 02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:13,199 any sort of metric. I just think there's 2819 02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:15,599 more people uh utilizing the pot of 2820 02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:17,040 money across the state. 2821 02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:18,480 >> And so maybe we need to put that out 2822 02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:20,159 there to our legislators, fund this 2823 02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:21,840 grant at a higher level. 2824 02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:24,719 >> That would not be a bad idea. So, okay. 2825 02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:25,280 Thank you. 2826 02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:26,320 >> You bet. Thank you. 2827 02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:27,760 >> Great. Thank you, Council Member Millet. 2828 02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,079 Council, any other questions? 2829 02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,639 Okay. This is a public hearing. I will 2830 02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:34,880 go ahead and open it up. Is there anyone 2831 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:36,400 who would like to come and speak to the 2832 02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:40,310 budget amendments? 2833 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:41,840 Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the 2834 02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:43,119 public hearing and bring it back to the 2835 02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:45,920 city council for discussion and a 2836 02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:56,629 motion. 2837 02:14:56,639 --> 02:14:59,360 You've left us speechless. 2838 02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:00,079 >> Thank you. 2839 02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:01,440 [laughter] 2840 02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,440 >> mayor. I move to approve and adopt the 2841 02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:07,040 fiscal year 2026 2027 budget of the 2842 02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:09,840 special service lighting district. No, 2843 02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:12,400 sorry, wrong back up. 2844 02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,000 >> Yeah, there that's what happens. 2845 02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,679 >> It's on the 2846 02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:17,599 >> It's right here. It's kind of 2847 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:19,360 >> It's hiding. It's it's this little 2848 02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:20,480 combination there. 2849 02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:23,199 >> That's why that's why it's white. 2850 02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:29,510 >> It doesn't exist. 2851 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:31,360 » It's right here. 2852 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,840 >> I move to approve uh amending the fiscal 2853 02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:37,520 year 2025 2026 budget as presented in 2854 02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:38,880 exhibit A. 2855 02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:41,119 >> I have a motion. Thank you. And is there 2856 02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:42,000 a second? 2857 02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:42,880 >> I'll second. 2858 02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:45,199 >> Thank you, Council Member Mikum. Okay, 2859 02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:47,840 we have a um go ahead and vote. Any 2860 02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:50,480 further discussion? Okay. Council member 2861 02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:51,679 Millet, how do you vote? 2862 02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:57,840 >> I. 2863 02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:00,880 >> All right. Motion carries. Thank you. 2864 02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:02,960 All right. We have city manager items. 2865 02:16:02,960 --> 02:16:06,400 Item number eight. 2866 02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:08,400 >> Just real quick, uh we'll come back at a 2867 02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,560 future council meeting with more details 2868 02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:13,360 about uh the success we achieved with 2869 02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:17,280 the ORMFest uh event. Um, but just to 2870 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:19,920 give you um just to wet your appetite a 2871 02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:23,679 little bit, we did have 82,000 people 2872 02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:26,239 just come into our city center park on 2873 02:16:26,239 --> 02:16:28,960 the final 3 days. Um, that's actually 2874 02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:31,920 our second most that we've had uh since 2875 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:34,080 we started counting, but in part that's 2876 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,800 by design because we spread out events 2877 02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:39,120 more across the week and across multiple 2878 02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:43,679 parks and locations. So, so um we are um 2879 02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:45,760 being continuing to be highly successful 2880 02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,080 in that regard. Thank you so much for 2881 02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:50,240 your support. Love seeing you on the uh 2882 02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:54,319 tiller truck and um uh events coming up. 2883 02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:58,319 Then uh of course we've got uh the the 2884 02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:01,840 first of what will be a variety of um 2885 02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,559 police picnics in the park and those are 2886 02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:07,359 all on your calendar. we are kind of uh 2887 02:17:07,359 --> 02:17:09,840 making those more robust with more uh 2888 02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:12,000 interactions and and things to do at 2889 02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:15,519 those events. Um and then uh of course 2890 02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:17,920 we have uh the Freedom Festival events 2891 02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:20,559 coming up and in particular in ORM will 2892 02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:22,479 be the Colonial Heritage Festival at 2893 02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:24,160 Sierra Park starting this coming 2894 02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:28,399 weekend. So um uh of course all of these 2895 02:17:28,399 --> 02:17:30,880 wonderful events are are just amazing 2896 02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:32,319 and we're getting more and more interest 2897 02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:34,800 in it. And uh I also just need a shout 2898 02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:38,240 out to staff and and our public safety 2899 02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:40,960 and parks in particular who really put a 2900 02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:44,240 ton of effort into making sure that 2901 02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:47,359 these are not only fun and exciting and 2902 02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:50,160 attractive but also ultimately safe and 2903 02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,000 that everyone feels safe attending them. 2904 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,479 So thank you. 2905 02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:56,479 >> Right. Thank you. And thank you to all 2906 02:17:56,479 --> 02:17:58,960 for the your participation in Ormfest. 2907 02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:00,880 It was really fun. It was fun to ride on 2908 02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:05,599 the fire truck and together and it was 2909 02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:10,399 fun. We did a all things or booth at at 2910 02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:13,840 the uh park where people could come and 2911 02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:18,880 visit with with elected officials. And I 2912 02:18:18,880 --> 02:18:20,880 we it was a good first year. I found out 2913 02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:24,960 that a lot of people are drawn by swag 2914 02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:27,120 and [laughter] talked to a lot of people 2915 02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:30,479 who don't live in or anymore but were 2916 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:34,800 based and and came and spoke about how much they love or they say I don't 2917 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:37,120 live in ORM now but I grew up here and I 2918 02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,080 love it and very positive that way. So I 2919 02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:41,679 hope that's something that we can 2920 02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:44,880 continue um in coming years. [gasps] All 2921 02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:47,599 right. Next item on the agenda is a 2922 02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:50,639 motion to we need a motion to adjourn as 2923 02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:53,519 the city council and reconvene as the 2924 02:18:53,519 --> 02:18:55,519 ORM redevelopment agency. 2925 02:18:55,519 --> 02:18:56,800 >> So moved. 2926 02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:57,359 >> Thank you. 2927 02:18:57,359 --> 02:18:58,000 >> Second. 2928 02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:01,200 >> Motion and a second. Remind me, do we 2929 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:03,120 have to do roll call on adjournments and 2930 02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,120 reconvenings? 2931 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,439 Okay. All those in favor say I. 2932 02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:08,000 >> I. 2933 02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,559 >> Any opposed? Thank you. 2934 02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:12,080 >> Okay. Okay, we'll go to the consent 2935 02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,399 items and we are now redevelopment 2936 02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:17,120 agency and we have one consent item, 2937 02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:18,960 approval of meeting minutes. Entertain a 2938 02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:19,920 motion for that. 2939 02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:21,519 >> Mayor, I make a motion that we approve 2940 02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:24,000 the meeting minutes for May 12th, 2026 2941 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:26,479 for the RDA consent items. 2942 02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:27,920 >> Right. Thank you. Is there a second? 2943 02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:28,800 >> I second. 2944 02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:31,920 >> Right. Thank you. Um, how do you vote? 2945 02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:34,800 Um, council member, you're not a council 2946 02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:36,639 member in the RDA, but I can't remember 2947 02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:37,679 what you're called, so I'll call you 2948 02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:40,960 council member like member or anyway. 2949 02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:42,240 >> I think it's board member. 2950 02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:44,960 >> Board. Board member Lamson, how do you 2951 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:45,359 vote? 2952 02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:46,880 >> I vote I. 2953 02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:47,599 >> All right. 2954 02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:49,040 >> I I 2955 02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,680 >> I. 2956 02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:53,840 >> All right. Motion carries. We have a 2957 02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:55,760 scheduled item, item number 11 on our 2958 02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:58,560 agenda, uh, sheet, uh, public hearing. 2959 02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:00,000 It's a resolution approving the 2960 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,359 redevelopment agency of the city of ORM 2961 02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:06,479 fiscal year 2627 budget. We'll turn the 2962 02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:10,000 time over to um Brandon Nelson again. 2963 02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:14,469 Thank you, mayor. 2964 02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:16,560 This is basically a repeat of our 2965 02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:20,319 presentation from back on May 12th. Um 2966 02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:22,000 as we go through it, obviously this time 2967 02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:24,080 we will have a public hearing element 2968 02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:26,560 for that and then final approval. But uh 2969 02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:29,040 just to to revisit the redevelopment 2970 02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:32,640 agency. So uh as mentioned then uh the 2971 02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:35,520 only current active uh redevelopment 2972 02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:39,600 agency area is the University Place CDA 2973 02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,399 um which is down all that stuff going on 2974 02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:45,840 down by University Place. uh we do have 2975 02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:50,240 uh uh money in the old RDAs uh that is 2976 02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:51,920 gradually being spent on various 2977 02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:53,600 different infrastructure and different 2978 02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:56,479 projects um that come up and studies and 2979 02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:58,880 whatever else that might uh occur within 2980 02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:02,080 those project areas. Um but as far as uh 2981 02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:05,359 current active um things going on, 2982 02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:08,880 university places is the is the one and 2983 02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:11,120 you know you can see the RDA revenues 2984 02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,680 across the top. Uh again those are all 2985 02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:17,200 primarily the university place CDA. Um 2986 02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,600 and then as you see the expenditures in 2987 02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:22,000 the bottom section um you could see 2988 02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:25,439 where you know basically we refund 90% 2989 02:21:25,439 --> 02:21:29,840 of the uh growth in tax uh property tax 2990 02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:33,600 revenue back to uh Woodbury who uses 2991 02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:35,920 that to pay off the debt associated with 2992 02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,080 putting in the infrastructure in all of 2993 02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:39,439 those areas that they've put 2994 02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:42,240 improvements in. And then uh the city 2995 02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:46,399 keeps 5% as an administrative fee and 2996 02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:49,600 maintains the other 5% within this RDA 2997 02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:51,680 fund for future infrastructure needs 2998 02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:54,399 that may come up um where we can uh use 2999 02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:56,479 those funds to to make whatever 3000 02:21:56,479 --> 02:21:59,200 infrastructure um improvements need to 3001 02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:02,000 be made. 3002 02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:06,479 And I think yeah any any questions about 3003 02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:09,920 uh the RDA? Okay board, do you have any 3004 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:11,760 questions? 3005 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:13,760 Okay, seeing none, I'll go ahead and 3006 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:17,040 open up the public hearing to uh 3007 02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:18,720 regarding the resolution approving the 3008 02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:21,840 RDA redevelopment um agency of the city 3009 02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,640 of ORM fiscal year 2627 budget. Is there 3010 02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,000 anyone who would like to speak to that 3011 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,000 this evening? 3012 02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,760 Right. Seeing none, I'll go ahead and 3013 02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:32,000 close the public hearing and bring it 3014 02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,000 back to the board. 3015 02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,240 What would you like to do, board? Mayor, 3016 02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:38,160 I move to approve and adopt the fiscal 3017 02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:40,560 year 2026 2027 budget of the 3018 02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,800 redevelopment agency of the city of ORM 3019 02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:44,880 as presented in exhibit A. Right. Thank 3020 02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:46,240 you. We have a motion. Is there a 3021 02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:46,720 second? 3022 02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:47,439 >> Second. 3023 02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:50,479 >> Thank you. Um board member Kilpac. All 3024 02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:52,080 right. We'll go ahead and vote. Any 3025 02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:55,040 further discussion? Okay. Board member 3026 02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:56,800 um Gail 3027 02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:01,280 >> I 3028 02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:03,840 >> Right. Motion carries. I'd entertain a 3029 02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:06,479 motion to adjurnn from the redevelopment 3030 02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:08,960 agency and reconvene as the ORM special 3031 02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:10,479 service lighting district. 3032 02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:11,359 >> So moved. 3033 02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:12,479 >> I have a motion. 3034 02:23:12,479 --> 02:23:13,359 >> Second. 3035 02:23:13,359 --> 02:23:15,600 All those in favor, please say 3036 02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:16,080 I. 3037 02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:17,359 >> I. 3038 02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:19,439 >> Any opposed? All right. We have 3039 02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:21,280 adjourned as the redevelopment agency 3040 02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:23,200 and we have reconvened as the ORM 3041 02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:27,120 Special Service Lighting District. Okay. 3042 02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:29,840 We have a consent item, approval of the 3043 02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:31,680 meeting minutes. 3044 02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:33,920 I'll make a motion that we approve the 3045 02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:36,000 meeting minutes for May 12th, 2026 of 3046 02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,040 the SSLD on consent items agenda. 3047 02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:40,399 >> Thank you. 3048 02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:43,040 >> Okay. Thank you. A second. Um any 3049 02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:44,800 further discussion? Okay, we'll go ahead 3050 02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:45,840 and 3051 02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:52,720 >> I Right. Motion carries. We have a 3052 02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:55,120 scheduled item. public hearing or 3053 02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:56,880 resolution approving the special service 3054 02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:58,560 lighting district of the city of ORM 3055 02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:01,120 fiscal year 2627 budget. We'll turn it 3056 02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:04,789 back over to Brandon Nelson. 3057 02:24:04,789 --> 02:24:08,640 [snorts] Thank you again mayor. 3058 02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:10,560 Uh so the special service lighting 3059 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,319 district of Waram is a separate 3060 02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:13,920 technically a separate entity has its 3061 02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:16,080 own tax ID so that's why it has its own 3062 02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:19,680 budget. um as part of the uh street 3063 02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:23,040 lighting uh each utility bill has a 3064 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:24,800 street lighting fee associated with it. 3065 02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:27,840 Those fees are accumulated within the 3066 02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,160 street lighting fund. Um and you can see 3067 02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,080 the at that top line on the revenues 3068 02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,160 shows you the the revenue associated 3069 02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:35,760 with the collection of that street 3070 02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,160 lighting fee from year to year. Um and 3071 02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:40,640 then the various other smaller revenues 3072 02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:43,439 um that occur. Um you'll notice uh an 3073 02:24:43,439 --> 02:24:45,359 appropriation of surplus in the current 3074 02:24:45,359 --> 02:24:48,319 proposal. Um and that is the kind of the 3075 02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:52,080 last thing to to finish off the fa uh 3076 02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:55,359 final phases of the street lighting 3077 02:24:55,359 --> 02:24:56,960 changes that we had mentioned was Rocky 3078 02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:59,040 Mountain. 3079 02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:01,280 Um and then 3080 02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:04,000 associated with that 3081 02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,880 um you can uh the regular operational 3082 02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:08,720 budget at the top. You can see the 3083 02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:11,280 specific um costs related to the holiday 3084 02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:14,800 lighting during uh Christmas season 3085 02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:17,920 as well as uh just give you an idea how 3086 02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:21,680 much the power costs related to um 3087 02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:24,720 running all the street lights. And there 3088 02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:26,880 was a energy savings lease that we 3089 02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:29,600 entered into a number of years ago where 3090 02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:31,600 we replaced all of the light uh 3091 02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:33,920 incandescent lights with uh LED 3092 02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:37,840 lighting. And uh so we're continuing to 3093 02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:40,560 this fund continues to contribute to our 3094 02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:43,120 debt service fund that pay actually pays 3095 02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:46,080 that lease uh payment. And so we have a 3096 02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:48,000 fee for that. And I think there's 3097 02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:50,319 >> So what's power? What what is that power 3098 02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:52,240 line? That's the actual cost of the 3099 02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:52,880 power. 3100 02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:53,359 >> Okay. 3101 02:25:53,359 --> 02:25:54,319 >> From Rocky Mountain. 3102 02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:56,160 Okay. Thank you. 3103 02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:57,760 >> So, how much longer do we have on that 3104 02:25:57,760 --> 02:25:59,439 energy savings lease? 3105 02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:01,280 >> Chris asks me every year. Is that done 3106 02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:06,399 yet? And I I want to say it's 8 years 3107 02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:08,319 five. 3108 02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:09,760 >> Quite close, but 3109 02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:14,070 >> Okay. Thank you. 3110 02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:16,800 » And let's see. I think I am the last 3111 02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:19,120 item is this year's proposing on the 3112 02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:24,160 rates. Um the rate from uh for all 3113 02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:26,640 neighborhood all residences goes from 3114 02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:29,920 328 to 336 per month and for all 3115 02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,280 businesses that same amount. And just as 3116 02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,760 a note uh businesses pay their annual 3117 02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:37,680 street lighting all-in-one payment uh 3118 02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:39,520 upon their business license renewal. 3119 02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:43,040 Just to make you aware of that. 3120 02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,800 And that's all I have. 3121 02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:46,560 >> All right. Thank you. Are there any 3122 02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:49,280 questions? 3123 02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:50,560 Seeing none, I'll go ahead and open up 3124 02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:54,479 the public hearing um regarding uh the 3125 02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:56,640 budget for the special service lighting 3126 02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:58,000 district. Is there anyone who would like 3127 02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,399 to speak to that? 3128 02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:02,000 Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the 3129 02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:05,760 public hearing and bring it back to the 3130 02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:07,520 board 3131 02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:12,309 and uh for further action. 3132 02:27:12,319 --> 02:27:14,960 Mayor, I move to approve the and adopt 3133 02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:17,680 the fiscal year 2026 2027 budget of the 3134 02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:19,280 special service lighting district of the 3135 02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:22,399 city of ORM as presented in exhibit A. 3136 02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:23,359 >> I second that. 3137 02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:24,640 >> All right. Thank you. We have a motion 3138 02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:27,120 in a second. Appreciate it. Uh any 3139 02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:29,120 further discussion? 3140 02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:31,120 All right. Did we Did we start with you 3141 02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:34,160 last? Okay. So, Chris, it's 3142 02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:42,000 >> I Right. Motion carries. Thank you. Now 3143 02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,720 we entertain a motion to adjurnn as a 3144 02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:46,399 special service lighting district and 3145 02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:48,800 reconvene as the OR municipal building 3146 02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:49,600 authority. 3147 02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:51,359 >> So moved. Second. 3148 02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:52,880 >> We have a motion and a second. All those 3149 02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:54,319 in favor please say I. 3150 02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:56,000 >> I. 3151 02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:59,040 almost forgot to vote. Those opposed. 3152 02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:02,160 Okay. Hearing none. We will adjourn as a 3153 02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,240 special service lighting district and 3154 02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:07,120 reconvene as the ORM municipal building 3155 02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:09,359 authority. The only item on the agenda 3156 02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:12,000 is the ORM municipal building authority 3157 02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,080 is a consent item approving the meeting 3158 02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:19,030 minutes of June 10th, 2025. 3159 02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:20,640 » Go for it. 3160 02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:22,479 >> So moved. 3161 02:28:22,479 --> 02:28:23,600 >> Second. 3162 02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:26,080 >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any 3163 02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:28,560 further discussion? So these meeting 3164 02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:30,399 this is meeting minutes from over a year 3165 02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:32,640 ago. Is that right? 3166 02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:33,680 >> We only meet 3167 02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:34,560 >> once a year. 3168 02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:35,680 Okay. I for 3169 02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:36,960 >> that's what I thought but I wanted to 3170 02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:39,920 make just double check. Okay. Any 3171 02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:41,600 further discussion? 3172 02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:43,040 >> I can I ask a question? 3173 02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:44,640 >> Oh yes. 3174 02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:46,080 >> What is the or municipal building 3175 02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:46,880 authority? 3176 02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:50,373 >> Uh so congratulations you're part of it. 3177 02:28:50,373 --> 02:28:50,800 [laughter] 3178 02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:54,399 >> Yeah. So back in 20 I don't remember 3179 02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:56,399 when exactly was created but I know in 3180 02:28:56,399 --> 02:29:00,640 2000 uh we had lease financing 3181 02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:03,120 arrangements made in relation to funding 3182 02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:06,080 the street lighting program as well as 3183 02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:09,040 um using and what it has to do with is 3184 02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:12,800 basically a you get a lease on your 3185 02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:15,760 buildings and get financing in relation 3186 02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:18,479 to getting a loan on your building and 3187 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:21,040 you use that money to then go finance 3188 02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:22,800 whatever it is, in this case, street 3189 02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:26,000 lights and various park amenities. Um, 3190 02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,680 and and so then those uh leases are paid 3191 02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:32,720 off. Um, you know, technically, I 3192 02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:34,399 suppose they could take if you didn't 3193 02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:35,920 make your payments, they could come take 3194 02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:38,000 your building, I suppose. But that's 3195 02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:40,800 generally how it works is is um getting 3196 02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,600 a a lean against your your building and 3197 02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:47,200 using that structure as a way to get 3198 02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:49,680 financing. it generally has higher 3199 02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:51,200 rates. 3200 02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:53,280 I shouldn't say generally, it always has 3201 02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:55,040 higher rates than general obligation 3202 02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:59,120 bonds or revenue bonds um because all 3203 02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,920 you have is you know a piece of 3204 02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:04,720 structure that they have to rely on. And 3205 02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:07,359 as you can imagine, most people who are 3206 02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:10,000 doing the giving us the money don't want 3207 02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:11,920 to take your building. They they they 3208 02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:16,399 realize that's not a good thing. So, so, anyway, but that does cost you a 3209 02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:19,120 higher rate when you do those. And since 3210 02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:20,960 those paid off, I want to say it was 3211 02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:24,640 around 20 16 15 16 17 somewhere in 3212 02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:27,359 there. Um, we we just haven't had the 3213 02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:30,080 need to to do that. There's and mostly 3214 02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:32,479 because our debt structure is so low. 3215 02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:34,479 Um, it just hasn't been that need to to 3216 02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:36,640 go that route. And so, because that's 3217 02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:38,800 the only thing you primarily use that 3218 02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:41,920 MBA for, we just haven't had a need to 3219 02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:44,080 use it. So, we just have decided to just 3220 02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:45,200 hang on to it. 3221 02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:46,560 >> Yeah. We didn't want to dissolve it 3222 02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:48,240 because there's always the possibility 3223 02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:50,800 that maybe we wanted to use it. 3224 02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:51,200 >> Okay. 3225 02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:53,120 >> So, I mean, if you'll recall, Alpine 3226 02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:55,040 School District, they they did something 3227 02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:57,760 very similar to this. Um, when the uh 3228 02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:00,880 property tax was uh bond, the GEO bond 3229 02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:03,920 was defeated or didn't get passed. Um, 3230 02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:06,399 they went the route of going to an MB 3231 02:31:06,399 --> 02:31:09,040 using an MBA lease revenue bond uh to 3232 02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:10,960 get some funding for what they wanted to 3233 02:31:10,960 --> 02:31:14,319 do. Um because at the time, it's changed 3234 02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:16,399 since then, but at the time it didn't it 3235 02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:19,920 doesn't require uh a vote by the public 3236 02:31:19,920 --> 02:31:23,040 to to pass that. It's simply uh you as a 3237 02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:26,160 council approving uh going forward with 3238 02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:27,920 uh bonding. 3239 02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:28,720 >> So that's changed. 3240 02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:32,720 >> So So if I infer correctly um from your 3241 02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:35,520 answer, uh we should not anticipate a 3242 02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:38,720 really exciting agenda uh in this coming 3243 02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:40,319 year with the OR Municipal Building 3244 02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:44,000 Authority. Nope. None whatsoever. 3245 02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:45,760 >> You can rest easy with this 3246 02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:46,960 responsibility. 3247 02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:49,040 >> You can know it's hanging out there. 3248 02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:49,920 >> Yes. 3249 02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:51,760 >> Hopefully in my tenure, you'll never see 3250 02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:53,680 it again. 3251 02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,280 >> Well, that's a really good question. 3252 02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:56,880 Thank you for asking that and I 3253 02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:58,960 appreciate the appreciate the 3254 02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:02,080 explanation. I thank you. [gasps] All 3255 02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,000 right. 3256 02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:07,520 So, we have a motion and a second. 3257 02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:09,040 >> Have a question. Now we vote. 3258 02:32:09,040 --> 02:32:12,319 >> Now we vote. And I vote I 3259 02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:16,160 >> I. 3260 02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:19,520 >> All right. Motion carries. All right. 3261 02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:21,520 With that, uh I would entertain a motion 3262 02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:23,680 to adjurnn. 3263 02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,359 >> I motion to adjurnn. 3264 02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:26,160 >> I second. 3265 02:32:26,160 --> 02:32:27,680 >> Right. We have a motion and second. All 3266 02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:29,280 those in favor? I 3267 02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:30,160 >> I 3268 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:33,200 >> All right. Thank you. And we got done. 3269 02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,600 My goal was before 8:00. 3270 02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:38,399 >> Two minute. Three minutes. You have 3 3271 02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:41,120 minutes to hand in