1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,630 Australia. [laughter] 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,629 » Hello, Governor. [laughter] 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:11,040 » Mind the gap. Mind the gap. 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:12,880 >> The gap. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,280 >> Well, we're glad to have you. It's what, 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,160 like 10:00 there 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,359 or something. 8 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:21,520 >> Yeah. Yeah. 10:30. 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,000 >> 30. 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,279 >> Oh, okay. Well, we'll go ahead and get 11 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:29,039 started. Our first item on our agenda is 12 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,760 a presentation on the myorum update and 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,320 it's a 10-minute presentation and then 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,239 five minute Q&A. So, I'll turn the time 15 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:38,399 over to our deputy city manager, Carrie 16 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:41,840 Rug. Mayor, um we're really excited to 17 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,239 return and report. We brought to you 18 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:46,320 before we launched my OROM, the new 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,680 platform for all residents to in 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,320 interact with the city. Um, and we've 21 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,719 got our software development project 22 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,840 managers here, McKay Barton and Sarah 23 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,239 Yel, and they are going to give us an 24 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:02,079 update on how progress is going. And 25 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:04,879 then we also brought council members um 26 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,600 a sweatshirt for my arms so that we get 27 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,119 our marketing out there. So, please wear 28 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:10,960 it out, not on 100 degree weather, but 29 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,799 please wear it to 30 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:16,080 >> So, with that, I'll turn 31 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,119 >> right. Welcome. you and I will say those 32 00:01:19,119 --> 00:01:21,119 are particularly comfortable sweaters. 33 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:24,240 Not a sweater person, but I was really 34 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,479 uh enjoying those. 35 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:28,799 So, as a reminder, Carrie mentioned my 36 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:30,400 ORM was the initiative that we launched 37 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,360 back in April that helps us unify some 38 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,960 of the online services that we're 39 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,840 providing to our citizens um and anybody 40 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,759 who wants to do business with this. make 41 00:01:39,759 --> 00:01:41,360 it a little bit more streamlined, a 42 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,200 little bit more nice, a little bit more 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,600 accessible so that it isn't as confusing 44 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,880 when you're wanting to do business with 45 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,159 the city of War. We launched on April 46 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:54,159 27th of this past year. And uh to this 47 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:55,759 point, we've launched with a few 48 00:01:55,759 --> 00:01:57,840 applications that are already baked into 49 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,320 the ecosystem. That being utilities, 50 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,320 landlord licensing, project management, 51 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,640 and our boards and commission site. So 52 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,399 if I want to participate in any one of 53 00:02:06,399 --> 00:02:08,319 those, these services have now been 54 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:10,879 streamlined as part of my ORM. Going 55 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:12,560 forward, the next thing that is on the 56 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,319 docket to be integrated into the system 57 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:16,959 is our business licensing application 58 00:02:16,959 --> 00:02:20,080 and our fitness center applications. Um 59 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,680 all services for the fitness center are 60 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,920 going to be running through my near 61 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:26,560 future. So 62 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,560 >> sweet. Just to give you guys because 63 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,760 we've been live for 11 weeks now with my 64 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,599 Orum just about 11 weeks as of 65 00:02:33,599 --> 00:02:36,319 yesterday. Just to give you some numbers 66 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:40,560 of what we've seen, we've had 4600 new 67 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,640 myorum accounts created by citizens. And 68 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:46,080 this to give you a little bit of idea, 69 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,120 this is out of about 20,000 total 70 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,080 utility customers we have. So we're 71 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,160 almost a quarter of our utility 72 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,440 customers have migrated over to the 73 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,080 myorum site. We've processed almost 74 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 4,000 payments through the myorum site. 75 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,000 This is also not including the kind of 76 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,319 automatic payments to set up. So this is 77 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:11,519 just myorum processed. And we also as 78 00:03:11,519 --> 00:03:13,519 part of the MyORAMM platform integrated 79 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:17,440 a new fancy very secure payment 80 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,120 processor that's helping us be uh more 81 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,640 secure. 82 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,319 We've had almost 500 new utility 83 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,000 applications go through the Mayorum 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,959 process process fire 3 in1 agents and 85 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:32,879 then just to give you an idea of like 86 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:34,720 the pacing here things have settled down 87 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,200 a little bit. On average over the last 88 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,239 two weeks, we've had 149 users log in 89 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:43,040 per day and 40 new accounts per day. 90 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,879 Averaged out over the last two weeks. 91 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:47,120 So, it's being very heavily used right 92 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,840 now. And I just want to give a big shout 93 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,480 out to our 311 help center agents as 94 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,879 well. They've been working super hard 95 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:56,959 and super closely with all of our 96 00:03:56,959 --> 00:03:58,799 software engineers and they've done a 97 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:00,720 really fantastic job of responding to 98 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,400 the citizens and helping them through 99 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 any issues they might have. 100 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,519 We've been a constant communication on 101 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:09,280 new features that the developers have 102 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,200 been working with 311 to develop and 103 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,159 launch. And so it's still growing. And 104 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:15,920 like May said, we're going to add 105 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,359 business licensing. We're going to add a 106 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:18,959 fitness center. And it's going to be 107 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:23,670 even more comprehensive in the future. 108 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,110 Any questions? 109 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,440 I'm so excited for this. Is so cool. Can 110 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,120 you tell you said a couple more things 111 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,720 are coming online, the fitness center, 112 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,400 and lic. So the business licency, that's 113 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,680 pretty straightforward. What kind of 114 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,520 things will residents be able to do with 115 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,160 the fitness center? 116 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,000 >> This is things like I want to apply for 117 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,479 a membership um or I want to apply for a 118 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:48,880 subscription to a class. Uh the ability 119 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,720 right now to manage those things, it's a 120 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,479 little bit fragmented. If anybody's used 121 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:55,440 that uh apt experience, it works. You 122 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,280 can definitely get the job done, but it 123 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:58,800 isn't always the neatest thing. We want 124 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,160 to do is make sure that's a lot more 125 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,560 simplified. So, I want to sign up for a 126 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,639 cycling class. It should be a very clear 127 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:06,240 and concise way to do that. You should 128 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,759 know exactly how to do something like 129 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:10,240 that. And this program is going to help 130 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,080 facilitate things like, hey, I want to 131 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 sign up for a new membership because 132 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,560 there's a sale going on. You want to 133 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,759 make sure that that's advertised and 134 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:19,360 that it is clear what happens when 135 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,120 you're actually buying that membership, 136 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,639 what it all entails, what's offered to 137 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,600 you, the ability to renew or cancel it. 138 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,280 Uh those types of things we want to make 139 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,039 sure we're 140 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:32,320 >> This is great. I'm excited. So until the 141 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,039 I saw the sign it's what November when uh the bill pay shuts down. 142 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:38,880 >> So November we will cut over because 143 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,080 right now we're running both sides 144 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,240 simultaneously to help ease the 145 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,639 transition for our users. In November we 146 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,479 will cut over. We will close down the 147 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:50,240 bill pay site and then we will all new 148 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,320 users will need to migrate to my ORUM. 149 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,919 There will still be the ability for if 150 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:55,680 you haven't signed up after November you 151 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,440 can go in you can link your account. 152 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,000 None of the data will be lost. But the 153 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,080 bill pay site will be taken down. 154 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,199 >> Yeah, 155 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:07,199 >> council. Are there any other questions? 156 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:07,680 >> Awesome. 157 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,440 >> Yeah, I do have a question. 158 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:10,880 >> Thank you. 159 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,440 >> Yeah, Quinn. 160 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,240 >> Quinn. 161 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,960 >> Oh, Quinn. Oh, sorry, Quinn. 162 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,199 >> No worries. I I can raise my hand if 163 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:18,960 it's useful. I I can't tell if people 164 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,319 are checking that or not. Otherwise, 165 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,039 I'll just jump in. 166 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,280 >> Thank Thanks so much for uh working on 167 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,880 this. I know it's been a huge project. 168 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 I'm just so excited about its potential. 169 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,240 Uh McKay, I'm wondering if maybe you 170 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,319 could share some of the bumps in the 171 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:35,759 road that we've hit, some of the things 172 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,240 that we hadn't anticipated that you've 173 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,960 worked hard to try to resolve and uh 174 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,680 where you think we still have challenges 175 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,840 that needs um need some work before we 176 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,759 get to where we want to be. 177 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:51,759 >> Yeah, definitely. So one of the biggest 178 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:53,280 challenges that we've had in creating 179 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,520 this is we are working with data that 180 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 has been existing for years. This data 181 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,759 has been created in such a way that it 182 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:03,680 was really well tailored to what we 183 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,440 wanted when we created it, but the needs 184 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,360 of the city have shifted over time. And 185 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,280 so as we're creating this new uh 186 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,759 application, we're needing to take all 187 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:13,840 of that information, still use it, make 188 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,440 sure that we're not losing citizens 189 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,080 data, and still make it more modern, 190 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,080 something that reflects the needs of the 191 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,599 city to date, but is also something 192 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:23,199 that's adaptable for the needs of the 193 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:25,520 city going forward. So the challenge in 194 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,280 finding ways to make sure that that is 195 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,759 connected smoothly and fluidly has been 196 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,840 a very big challenge for us. There were 197 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,520 definitely some road bumps that we were 198 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,280 hitting right as we were launching my 199 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,360 ORM and people not being quite sure how 200 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,520 that connection worked. We had to do a 201 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,440 lot of work with our 311 agents to make 202 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,880 sure that they fully understood and 203 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,039 could conceptualize how that data was 204 00:07:45,039 --> 00:07:48,080 migrating. But we've now settled on a 205 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,160 way that we're pretty confident and 206 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,599 we've been seeing a lot of success in 207 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:53,840 making sure that that data migration is 208 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,240 happening far smoother now than it was 209 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,120 11 weeks ago. Um, this is not a 210 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,560 challenge that is unique to just 211 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,479 utilities. When we on board the fitness 212 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:04,720 center, we're going to run into a lot of 213 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,560 the same issues. But thankfully, because 214 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,240 of the work we've done, we've been able 215 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,800 to figure out and we have very good uh 216 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,319 guards in place that our team is working 217 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,160 on right now to make sure that when we 218 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,240 hit those roadblocks, we're able to move 219 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,720 around them very agile, very quickly. 220 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,599 >> Yeah. Um I I know that you know there 221 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:24,800 have been a number of residents that 222 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,240 contacted me uh who have had challenges 223 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,479 migrating over. Uh but I have been 224 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:33,039 impressed that uh once we get them 225 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,959 connected with the right person uh at 226 00:08:34,959 --> 00:08:39,599 311 that it it goes very smoothly uh 227 00:08:39,599 --> 00:08:41,279 when they do hit those challenges. So 228 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,080 appreciate you working carefully at 311. 229 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,440 >> They've done an incredible job. We're 230 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,200 really grateful for them for sure. 231 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,800 >> All right. Thank you. Any other 232 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 questions? 233 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,000 >> All right. Thank you so much. I'm I'm 234 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,360 excited to get over there. My or 235 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,200 >> it is Well, like we were talking about, 236 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,480 it's everybody's my orm. It isn't. 237 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:05,680 >> And you got a sweater now. You got a 238 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:06,000 mic. 239 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,720 >> I've got a Yeah. 240 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,800 >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you. 241 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,399 >> Right. The next item on our agenda is 242 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:15,120 our uh fraud presentation on our fraud 243 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,839 risk assessment uh from by our chief 244 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:19,440 financial officer, Brandon Nelson. and 245 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,880 it's a five-minute presentation with 246 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,800 five minute Q&A. So, I'll go ahead and 247 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:29,750 turn the time over to Brandon. 248 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,560 » Thank you, mayor. So every year uh as 249 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,880 part of the state auditor uh and their 250 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,959 compliance requirements um the financial 251 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:43,120 officer of every um entity who is under 252 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,080 the state uh is required to come forward 253 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,720 with uh his fraud risk assessment in the 254 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,000 and they all have used the same uh form. 255 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,600 Um and try to give you an idea of where 256 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,399 we are with it if there's any questions 257 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:02,160 about it. um any things of that nature. 258 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,760 I will tell you upfront, 259 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,080 this fraud risk assessment is really 260 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,880 geared towards much smallerities. 261 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,760 That was what prompted this assessment 262 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,480 in the first place was smaller entities 263 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,120 who just don't have the same level of 264 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,760 depth in relation to their internal 265 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,839 control structures and rely upon a much 266 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:28,000 smaller number of people to do a much 267 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,279 larger number of things. Um and so so 268 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,120 what you're going to see that here in a 269 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,279 few of the items. Um you'll notice at 270 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,440 the very top our score of 335 271 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,640 where that falls within um low is good 272 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,200 just so we want to go this way right. 273 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,920 So it has been that score for and pretty 274 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,839 much ever since we started this fraud 275 00:10:55,839 --> 00:10:58,000 risk assessment since the state started 276 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,279 requiring it. Um, you'll notice all 277 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,519 everything is checked until we get down 278 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:06,560 to this area. 279 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,417 >> Oh, it's us. 280 00:11:09,417 --> 00:11:10,320 [laughter] 281 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,880 >> So, this is why I wanted it. So, there's 282 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,279 a couple of reasons why. Number one, the 283 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:19,839 number four that you see there, why why 284 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:21,920 is it that we don't necessarily do that? 285 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,440 Well, we have such a thing within our 286 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,600 policies and procedures, 287 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,519 but you'll notice that it what it 288 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:33,920 specifically says we must do. And we 289 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,079 just have never gone to that extreme, if 290 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:40,079 you will, of having you sign a document, 291 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:42,880 physically sign a document indicating 292 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,200 some uh various things in relation to 293 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:45,600 this. 294 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,880 >> Every year, it looks like 295 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,920 >> every year. So we haven't felt that that 296 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,800 was totally necessary um to do so. 297 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Number five, there is training 298 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,160 specifically related to finance the 299 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,519 finances of the city that each and every 300 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:08,720 one of you could go do and we would then 301 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,279 meet that requirement. I will tell you 302 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:14,000 it is somewhat lengthy. 303 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Um, 304 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,839 and you only have to do it once in this 305 00:12:17,839 --> 00:12:19,279 particular case. You only have to do it 306 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:22,800 once in your uh 4-year term. 307 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Uh, and I and I not sure I I've never 308 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,279 taken it, of course, but I'm not sure 309 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:32,160 how beneficial it is to you. It may or 310 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,000 may not be that beneficial. Um, so 311 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,440 again, that's kind of another one of 312 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,079 those where could we meet that 313 00:12:40,079 --> 00:12:43,680 requirement? Certainly could. Um, I just 314 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:49,040 don't know how truly beneficial it is to do so. 315 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,880 Last item you'll notice there is number 316 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,839 eight. And we do not have a formal 317 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:59,120 internal audit function. We have many 318 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,600 internal audit functions. 319 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Key cards for one. 320 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,440 uh petty cash another accounts payable 321 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,399 has fun uh control internal controls 322 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:13,519 related to it. There are several other 323 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,399 programs where we have internal controls 324 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:20,959 related to those programs, but this is 325 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:24,480 referring to a separate someone outside 326 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,200 of our organization 327 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 who formal and it could be a inside your 328 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,160 organization, but they're separate from 329 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,680 the account the finance department who 330 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,200 performs 331 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,160 >> audit functions for you. 332 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,880 again uh we haven't felt like there's a 333 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,120 need for that. Our organization is large 334 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 enough that we don't necessarily feel 335 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,000 like we need to bring in an outside 336 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,880 entity u to perform any of those 337 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,720 particular uh internal audit functions. 338 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,320 So those are the three elements that 339 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,000 uh that we don't and we'd have to get 340 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,800 two at least two of those in order to go 341 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,240 from low to very low. So we'd be right 342 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,800 with only one of those three. We'd be 343 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,160 just right on the border because it's 344 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,240 greater than 345 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,320 notice it's greater than 355. 346 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,920 Um we continue to operate very well from 347 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,320 a control internal control perspective. 348 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,959 We have not had any external or internal 349 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:30,639 fraud that we've been uh noticed or that 350 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,040 we have been notified about anything of 351 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,760 that nature. Um, this last year we 352 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,000 actually haven't even seen anything 353 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,160 where I think we've only had one if I 354 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,959 remember correctly where uh it got we 355 00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:45,600 got something flagged where one of our 356 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,959 people kind of just not noticed uh as we 357 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:51,680 all take our trainings in no before in 358 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,240 relation to various fraud control risks 359 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,079 and you know don't click on this link or 360 00:14:56,079 --> 00:14:57,839 don't click on that link. Um so 361 00:14:57,839 --> 00:15:01,279 something kind of like that. Um, 362 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:04,160 that's really all I have in relation to 363 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,240 talking about the assessment. Are there 364 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,000 any questions about any the items um 365 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,959 that are on on there that or any of 366 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:14,880 those uh three elements that I discussed 367 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,959 that uh we're currently not meeting. 368 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:21,360 >> Any questions? Council, do you have any 369 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:27,269 questions? 370 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,240 » All right. Thank you. Um I'd like to um 371 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,959 since we since we started welcome 372 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:35,199 council members Gail and Millet who have 373 00:15:35,199 --> 00:15:39,360 joined us. Um our next item is a 374 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,079 presentation on firework cancellation 375 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:44,079 followup 10-minute presentation five 376 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:45,920 minute Q&A. So I'll turn the time over 377 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,639 to um Chief Mark Sanderson. Fire Chief 378 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,399 Mark Sanderson. 379 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:53,680 >> Thank you Mayor Council. Um, it's really 380 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,279 my opportunity to publicly thank you all 381 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,800 for 382 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 I mean what what probably historic the 383 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,360 most difficult decision we've made from 384 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,720 a fire related community perspective in 385 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,800 taking something away or supporting a 386 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,759 statewide band that was recommended. 387 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,680 um 388 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 it was super appreciative at least from 389 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,519 my office and our team just in in 390 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,920 trusting the decision we made that was 391 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,759 what we felt was in the best interest of 392 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,959 the community. Um, 393 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:31,519 I'll follow up to that is that the years 394 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:35,040 24 and 25 resulting from fireworks, we 395 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,079 had 24 firework related fire starts 396 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:42,959 within the three communities. Um, as a 397 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,040 result of the ban and truly the 398 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,920 compliance from our citizenry, we 399 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,399 reduced those fires by 90% to two 400 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:53,920 firework 401 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,000 fire start related fires. One was in 402 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,519 Lynen um garbage can. The other one was 403 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,440 a grass fire in Vineyard. So not a 404 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,160 single fire within Oram city limits but 405 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,559 within our response area a fire in both 406 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,000 the other communities that was really 407 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,360 minor in nature. So 408 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:14,799 I mean it was a substantial 409 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:18,799 reduction in the potential 410 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:23,520 and I feel like overall publicly the 411 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,720 support within our social media 412 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,120 the numbers I heard Pete and if I'm off 413 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,799 please correct me but it was about a six 414 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,640 to one positive to negative 415 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,120 relationship and so 416 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,760 I think we made the right decision. 417 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,360 No question in my mind it was the right 418 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,840 decision. There was just no way to not 419 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,200 support the ban and then actually have a 420 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,840 fire in the foothills, a structure fire 421 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,400 in our community, heaven forbid, have a 422 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,400 firefighter injured or killed like we 423 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,520 saw with the wildland deployments and be 424 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,320 able to justify that in any way. And so 425 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,039 I think it was very successful 426 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:10,720 and it's very much appreciative. 427 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,200 Last night, uh, Ryan sent me a survey 428 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,919 from 429 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:18,640 a citizen. 430 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,840 >> Thank you. That was just following up to 431 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,440 our our position, our stance, the 432 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,360 overall feeling, the support. They 433 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,600 requested to know if we have a wildland 434 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,799 team, which we do, where they deployed 435 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,039 and assisted on the other statewide for 436 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,440 uh fires. They're gathering all of the 437 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,400 information in preparation for the 24th. 438 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Um there is a lot of concern. Just so 439 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,799 we're all clear, there's currently a 440 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,400 statewide ban on fireworks. Um just not 441 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,720 an authorized period within our statute 442 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,360 to shoot them, but it's clearly a ban. 443 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,919 And I think we're I don't see the 444 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:00,080 circumstances changing. It'll be 445 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,919 interesting to see how the league takes 446 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:05,200 feedback from all of the members and 447 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,000 then presents information to the 448 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,480 governor and the state forester to make 449 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,360 a make a decision coming up. I hope they 450 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,919 make it sooner than later. 451 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,720 Um but it's definitely on the horizon. 452 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,640 And one of the questions just so that 453 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,120 we're all on the same page with uh my 454 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:29,760 answer was they asked would we support 455 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,799 a similar ban or would we be against it 456 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,720 and it was strongly support strongly uh 457 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,120 opposed and I just stayed neutral 458 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,559 because the from my perspective is I'm 459 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:44,400 not going to be pro firework. I'm not 460 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,760 going to be against fireworks. we're 461 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,039 going to let the state make their 462 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:50,720 decision, the state forester make a 463 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,640 decision, and then we'll gather all the 464 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,960 information and 465 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,240 make a decision if it comes to that. So, 466 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,880 I I didn't want to leverage our 467 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,720 organization one way or the other. And 468 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,000 so, I think it was was good. I did I did 469 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,799 also note they asked for any other 470 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,400 considerations 471 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,919 and 472 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,840 I I thought it was very positive. So, I 473 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,200 shared just a short paragraph that based 474 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,080 on the decision to uh support the state 475 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,120 van. We crafted a letter. Um, our city 476 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,280 attorney reviewed it and then our 477 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,280 wildland or not our wildland, our fire 478 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,600 prevention team delivered what I felt 479 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,080 was a very nice uh gesture to all of our 480 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,799 independent fireworks stands 481 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,840 that offered them a return on their 482 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,559 permit fee, their inspection fee, and 483 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,080 100% recoup of their bond. 484 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,919 It's completely at their discretion. 485 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:52,000 There was no pressure applied. The only 486 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,720 compliance from our perspective is they 487 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,799 wouldn't they needed to see selling 488 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,840 fireworks through the bill which 489 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,280 supported the ban. Um there wasn't a 490 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,960 there wasn't any one of them that took 491 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,640 us up on that offer, but I felt like um 492 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,000 it was at least our show of good faith 493 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,120 doing the best we could for the local 494 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,760 business owners that hard time and heart 495 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,400 understanding. So, I think that was very 496 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,799 positive. 497 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,360 Talking with Chief Robinson, 498 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,720 we had two citizens that were issued 499 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,159 citations. They were repeat offenders, 500 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:34,240 initially provided warnings, had to 501 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,799 return. Um, 502 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,640 I I would suspect the overall firework 503 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240 violations 504 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,159 were significantly reduced as far as 505 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:47,520 just calls. Um, but there were at least 506 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,559 40 40 or so more warnings provided. So, 507 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,480 I think neighbors did their job in 508 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720 keeping their neighborhoods safe. Law 509 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,240 enforcement was awesome in responding to 510 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,640 those requests and supporting our band 511 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,559 and ultimately to citations. I think 512 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,400 that also achieves a goal of being 513 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,320 supportive of really hard time in our 514 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,919 community. So, with that, I don't have 515 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,799 any other 516 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,720 information to report, but I'm happy to 517 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,240 answer any questions or 518 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,200 >> any questions, council. 519 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,200 >> Um, I do have one this time if it's 520 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,440 okay. U Chief Sanderson, sure appreciate 521 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,480 your guidance uh on it and I'm delighted 522 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,480 to hear that we had very low incidences. 523 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280 uh if this is an appropriate time, uh 524 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,760 would you be willing to share uh what 525 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,080 we're doing to support the wild wildland 526 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,480 fire folks? Um I I just am not uh sure 527 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,240 what kind of support we've been 528 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,559 providing for fires around the state. 529 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:56,000 >> We think that's the next is that the 530 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,120 next item on the agenda. 531 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,840 >> Yes. and both 532 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,880 and Captain Hickman, we can actually 533 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,559 address that point as part of their 534 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,080 presentation if that's okay. 535 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,960 >> Sure. 536 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,760 >> May I ask was the fire in Lynen like the 537 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,200 hillside? What was that? 538 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,039 >> Yeah, the fire in Lyndon was actually 539 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:16,400 just a firework placed in a garbage can 540 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,760 and it was isolated to a single can 541 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,080 which is one of 542 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,320 it's probably the number one cause that 543 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 leads to structure fires. I happened at 544 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,760 my parents house in Pleasant Grove years 545 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,320 ago. You take your burnt fireworks, 546 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,600 they're not cooled off. You put them in 547 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,919 your garbage. You wake up at 3:00 in the 548 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:35,200 morning with a neighbor pounding on the 549 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,559 door because the side of your house is 550 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:40,400 on fire. And so it's we we just avoided 551 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320 all of that. It was amazing. One little 552 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,400 grass fire and the there were just so 553 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,559 minimal. 554 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:51,039 It actually shocking. It just goes to 555 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:53,280 show the request, the concern 556 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,960 communitywide 557 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,039 in 558 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,919 not doing something we all loved. So, it 559 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:02,880 was very successful. 560 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 >> Thank you for your thoughtfulness in 561 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,600 offering to return those funds to those 562 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,480 business owners. um every time you drive 563 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,320 by those and you see nothing happening 564 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,960 there and it kind of breaks your heart 565 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,039 uh for their you know anticipation and 566 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,000 excitement and looking forward to you 567 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,640 know hopefully a great season but uh I I 568 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,120 think that was a very kind and 569 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,799 thoughtful gesture to to at least make 570 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,320 that offer. 571 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840 >> Thank you. I did learn today um talking 572 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,480 with Chief Spencer, he's our city fire 573 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,000 marshal, that um firework companies love 574 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720 the state of Utah because of the 24th. 575 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,640 >> I mean, we have our own independent 576 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,400 state holiday that double dip. 577 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,279 >> So, we'll we'll we'll just see what the 578 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,919 24th brings. I don't get any 579 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:56,320 predictions. I just know that it is a 580 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,400 topic 581 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,240 that's a that's it's a it's a big deal 582 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,880 right now. So, taking it serious and of 583 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,640 course we'll utilize all that 584 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,279 information to make the best decisions. 585 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:08,960 So, thank you. 586 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,039 >> Thank you. And thank you for your work 587 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:14,080 in the letter and doing the video. a lot 588 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 of positive feedback just the neighbor 589 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,559 the community saying how they appreciate 590 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:20,640 the followup from this from you 591 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,080 explaining what happened what the 592 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,679 results were and so thank you team is so 593 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:29,360 awesome and I'm not Chief Hurst is our 594 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,320 PIO he does our social media he's the 595 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,960 one that gets interviewed this was one 596 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,320 of those things that 597 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,679 >> made you look good 598 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,000 >> he made [laughter] 599 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,360 this question because you hear your own 600 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,440 voice and you're like don't sound like 601 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,200 that. And then after you're walking down 602 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520 the hall cuz it was like video record, 603 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,400 take one 20 seconds. She's like, "That 604 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,200 was pretty good." I'm like, "Okay." I 605 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,960 walk down the hall and then I start 606 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,240 thinking of all these things. I could 607 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,840 have smiled. I could have been so much 608 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159 nicer [laughter] 609 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,480 in the circumstances of how we're here 610 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,559 this historic year. And 611 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:07,039 >> a little out of character. 612 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,600 >> So true. 613 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,039 >> That's why I did recess. 614 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:13,840 So good 615 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,120 >> your cell phone 616 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,559 >> after the thinking could have smiled 617 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,120 could have been nicer. 618 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,799 Chief's respons responsibility. 619 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:26,960 >> Just know that in my office I have a 620 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,919 bright red wig, a tie-dyed calf tan and 621 00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:32,320 sunglasses. If you need to have that 622 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,720 alter 623 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,320 of character, but I'm going to do it 624 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,400 next time. [laughter] 625 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,000 It's been a long time since I had some 626 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,070 air. 627 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,720 All right. Thank you. [gasps] 628 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,320 Our next item on the agenda is a 629 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,039 presentation, a wildland team update, 630 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,360 20-minute presentation, five minute Q&A. 631 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,600 And our presenters are our assistant 632 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840 fire chief Sean Hurst and fire captain 633 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,120 Mike Kickman. We'll go ahead and turn 634 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,039 the time over to you. Welcome. 635 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,200 >> Thank you. 636 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,880 >> I thought that was his could be a little 637 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,360 clicker. I'll discuss the town version. 638 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,120 Well, I'm Assistant Chief Sean Hurst. 639 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,960 Um, I've had the luxury of of overseeing 640 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,640 the wildland program for the last nine 641 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,400 years. This is Captain Mike Hickman. Um, 642 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,600 a little bit history on the wildland 643 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,799 team. I'm going to do administrative. 644 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:22,240 He'll do operations side. That's kind of 645 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,159 how we structure this. Uh, I don't know 646 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:26,159 if anybody recalls 647 00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,640 2017 the state of Utah was asked to come 648 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,880 help uh California on the Thomas fire 649 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,880 December of 2017 650 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,120 uh on what's called an EMAC. I always 651 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,799 have to emergency management assistant 652 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,400 compact or fire didn't go on that we 653 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,480 weren't ready. We had no business going 654 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,039 on that fire and it was honestly quite 655 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,400 embarrassing uh that our wildland 656 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,960 uh structure or structure firefighting 657 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,760 was sound or wildland fighting was not. 658 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480 Um my kickman was a firefighter at the 659 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,480 time. He had had significant wildland 660 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,399 experience before coming to Warm Fire 661 00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:02,880 and we'd supported him uh along the way 662 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,120 for a number of years on trying to 663 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,679 maintain that. Uh but that next year he 664 00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:09,679 approached myself and the chief with a 665 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:12,720 program on how to fix that. And so we're 666 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,200 really proud of where we are. Uh 9 years 667 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,559 later um War and Fire is a significant 668 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,480 force in the wildland world in the state 669 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,640 of Utah. Uh we've developed a program 670 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,640 that's well well known or name requested 671 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,200 uh and Pikmin is a big part of this but 672 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,960 we have several other engine bosses that 673 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,440 and ORM's engine is on the task force or 674 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,159 engine gets the toughest job. We are 675 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:41,520 known for doing the hard hard hard the 676 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,279 toughest assignments and that's how we 677 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,440 want the program to run. Uh he'll get in 678 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,120 the nuts and bolts of how we accomplish 679 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,600 that but not only engine the personnel 680 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,159 that we have in this this city now. Um, 681 00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,880 we have several bosses. We have what's 682 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,360 called a task force leader in in years 683 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,159 down the road. Uh, well, it's he'll be 684 00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:01,919 my kickman. He'll be leading task forces 685 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,960 for Emacs out of state. Uh, we have two 686 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,799 people we're developing as part of type 687 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,240 three teams that will deploy all over 688 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880 the nation um to instance response. 689 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,200 Could be hurricanes, tornadoes, floods. 690 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,320 Right now, they're doing wildland 691 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080 responses is that's uh that's what we 692 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,320 know. Um, so we want to thank the city, 693 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,679 the investment that we've had over the 694 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:23,760 last eight years. Uh, you guys have been 695 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,520 willing to purchase us two two brush 696 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,880 trucks that are purpose-built for 697 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640 deployment. We're prior to that. We 698 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,080 didn't really have a a vehicle that was 699 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,320 good to take out. Uh, we are under 700 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,399 contract on a wildland engine. Uh, we're 701 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,960 going to take delivery next summer that 702 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,039 is going to be fully funded by wildland 703 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,200 revenue brought back by these members to 704 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,480 the the city. So about that revenue when 705 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,720 we started this program it wasn't about 706 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,240 dollars and honestly the dollars weren't 707 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,559 there. It was about developing a program 708 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,440 that protect or better and develop our 709 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,640 personnel. Now over the years um the 710 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,880 state has recognized that they can't 711 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,480 function without us. We're what's called 712 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,559 a cooperator and Hickman will get in 713 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,039 kind of the guts of that but um they've 714 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,240 kind of sweetened the pot and so uh we 715 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,080 are going to fund that that engine all 716 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,520 off of revenue. So right now we're at 717 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,799 1.4 4 million gross brought into the 718 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,200 city and a lion share of that goes to 719 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240 our employees in overtime. Um, but we've 720 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,520 been able to run this program in the 721 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,799 black. We're starting to buy our own 722 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,039 equipment, buy our own PPE, and buy a 723 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,640 fire engine next year. So, we're pretty 724 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,039 excited about that. So, before I 725 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,159 introduce Mike Hickman, um, everybody 726 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:34,399 saw the smoke two weeks ago, three weeks 727 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:38,880 ago. Prior to that, the state um, 728 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,320 red flag warnings. Everybody familiar 729 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,640 with that? We have fire conditions that 730 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720 we know if a fire sparks it's going to 731 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,480 grow immensely. Um and they forecasted 732 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,120 that the state was some task forces sent 733 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,159 them all over the all over the state. 734 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,080 Our units were part of a task force that 735 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,320 was st stationed in Probo. They were 736 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,840 spun up just a couple days before that 737 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,039 fire and they were ready to go for the 738 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:05,520 Iron Fire. Um the night of June 20th. Um 739 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,960 I've had a lot of calls for Mike over 740 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,600 the years and uh we had a busy day. We 741 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,000 had a close call, but the night of the 742 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080 20th and watching that plume of smoke 743 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,559 fearing the evacuation of Eureka and 744 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:17,919 knowing that these guys were on the 745 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:19,520 flaming front of that fire was a little 746 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,720 different when they're right in the 747 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,200 backyard. Um there was a structure uh 748 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,559 team that was mostly volunteer 749 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,440 firefighters in Eureka that night. Um 750 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,360 task force actual and Mike Hickman saw 751 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,840 the need. They were able to talk the IC 752 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,679 into what's called going direct on that 753 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:37,600 flaming front. uh they rolled into town 754 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000 with flame lengths 30 40 maybe 50 feet 755 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,240 on the ridge and were a big part of 756 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120 saving Rica that night. So uh Hickman 757 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,480 will get into the kind of the guts of 758 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,399 that but the beauty of it is they've 759 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,559 been there before. Uh they've been on 760 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:54,720 the Dixie fire uh or scale Dixie fire 761 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880 burnt just under a million acres. So 762 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,880 roughly 75% of Utah County would have 763 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,080 been burnt in the Dixie fire in 764 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,919 California. And they were out saving 765 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:03,360 homes and properties in that fire 766 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,440 several years before. So they were ready 767 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,679 for this. So, I want to turn the time 768 00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,840 over to Mike Hickman. Um, really proud 769 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,799 of where he is in in this uh his career 770 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:14,720 and where he has is in the wildland 771 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,880 division right now. And he'll get into 772 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,799 the operations and what it's like out 773 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,399 there in the field and what it was like 774 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:25,200 that night in Eureka. So, thanks, Chief. 775 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,640 >> I appreciate the opportunity to present 776 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,799 to you guys. Um, some of you guys that 777 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:29,840 have been on the council for a little 778 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840 bit, I've presented similar things 779 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,279 before, just kind of talking about our 780 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,679 program, letting you guys stay up to 781 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,519 date on what it is that we're doing 782 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,279 because we just we really appreciate 783 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,880 your guys' support and the opportunity 784 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,679 to represent the city of Oram all across 785 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:45,679 the country. Um, it's been a been a 786 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:49,200 great success. So, 787 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,039 maybe 788 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,039 the best thing about these presentations 789 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,720 is Mike puts together slideshow. He adds 790 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,519 some music and it's awesome. 791 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,600 >> Yeah, it's not Pete's team. I thought 792 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,559 you were going there, 793 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:03,519 >> but [laughter] 794 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:07,360 it's a fireman's version. 795 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,440 >> You'll have to bear with me there. So, 796 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,960 our wildland team currently, it's made 797 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600 up of 17 uh individuals. We're spread 798 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,240 out al amongst the the three shifts as 799 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,000 well as we have four members in the 800 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,159 office that participate in the team as 801 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,000 well. We have different positions within 802 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320 the team like a saw boss, a supply cache 803 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,679 manager, communication specialist, uh a 804 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:29,600 wooi coordinator, the wildland urban 805 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,840 interface. So we try and cover all these 806 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,679 different things as subject matter 807 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,279 experts within the department on this 808 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,720 wildland team. Um we have myself 809 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,799 qualified as a task force leader, strike 810 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,120 team leader, and IC type 4. We have 811 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,919 three engine bosses including myself. Uh 812 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:48,880 three IC type fives and five firefighter 813 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,159 type ones. Those are our current 814 00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:51,919 qualifications. 815 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,679 >> C stands for incident commander. 816 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:56,000 >> Yes sir. Yes sir. So the incident 817 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600 command system it was uh really it was 818 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,440 born from the wildland world. It was 819 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,600 originally called fire scope. It came 820 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,679 out of California and they were just 821 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,360 really good at running large scale 822 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,679 incidents. Um 9/11 happens and nobody 823 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,480 knew how to run an incident that big. 824 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,639 And a fun fact about 9/11, um, a bunch 825 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,399 of wildland dudes with beards and green 826 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:23,520 pants showed up and helped the FDNY run 827 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,240 that large scale of an incident. And 828 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:29,760 that's where NIMS and ICS was born was 829 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,760 out of the 9/11 uh, incident where the 830 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,440 national response framework was built 831 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,679 and kind of was all born from the 832 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,320 wildland industry. So the way they run 833 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,240 it is a type five incident is the 834 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,159 smallest incident that that we have as 835 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,399 far as typing goes. A type four and 836 00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,639 that's something that it's done in over 837 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,159 in a single operational period. So 838 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,639 that's like a car wreck on State Street. 839 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,839 That's a medical call. That's a single 840 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,480 lightning strike. Uh one trees on fire 841 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,520 small incident. Type four incident large 842 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680 scale. There's going to be a lot more 843 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680 people there. It's more of a complex 844 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000 thing. a type three incident. Now you're 845 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,440 going to start bringing in these are the 846 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,880 kinds of probably classes you guys have 847 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,560 taken where there's a finance section 848 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,960 chief and a logistics section chief and 849 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,119 all these type things. And then there's 850 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,119 ultimately a complex incident management 851 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,800 team. They used to split it between one 852 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,240 and two, but that's kind of splitting 853 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,720 hairs. So that's where we're at. We've 854 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,200 got a myself as a type four IC and then 855 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,880 I've got three type five incident 856 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,200 commanders that have to go through task 857 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,359 books and get signed off having real 858 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,200 world experience doing those things. Hey 859 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,320 Mike, where did our where did the 860 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,040 temponogus fire categorize? 861 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,880 >> The range fire was ended up being a type 862 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480 three incident. So, um I was able I was 863 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,280 I just had my first child. Um he was 864 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,359 like 10 days old and I get a phone call 865 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:51,599 saying, "Hey, uh Mike, the mountain's on 866 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,240 fire. I uh I live here in town." I was 867 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,760 like, "Yep, I can see that. Sounds like 868 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,880 you guys are going to have a fun day. 869 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880 That'll be cool." "No, Mike, I need you 870 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,599 to come in." Like, I'm on FMLA. I don't 871 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,800 know. Sorry. I got a newborn and no 872 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Mike. Uh, it started in the in the 873 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,119 shooting range. I I need you to come in. 874 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,440 So, I was a type four IC trainee that 875 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,119 got to run a type three fire for the 876 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,760 first couple days. So, got just thrown 877 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,280 into the deep end and figured out how to 878 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,920 swim. 879 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,640 >> One one more thing, too. that anybody 880 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,240 needs to toot your horn horn because 881 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,599 you're amazing, but explain to them the role you play as the task force 882 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,200 leader in comparison to other 883 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,720 departments and how that looks like for 884 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,880 the state. So, as a task force leader, 885 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000 I'm able to in the wildland world, 886 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,640 there's engine bosses is usually going 887 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,480 to be like your engine captain, right? 888 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,839 But in the wildland world, there's a lot 889 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,440 more than just engines. There's hand 890 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,119 crews like hot shot crews that you guys 891 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,000 are used to. They're led by a crew boss. 892 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,640 There's um heavy equipment, so like 893 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520 dozers and masticators and um big 894 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,040 machinery, so they have a heavy 895 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,359 equipment boss. There's firing bosses. 896 00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:00,960 There's all these different levels of 897 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040 supervisors. And then a task force 898 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,920 leader can take all different types. So 899 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,880 this task force that I um was able to to 900 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,119 supervise just barely with the state, we 901 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,280 had a dozer, a water tender, type four 902 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,880 engines, type three engines, and type 903 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,200 six engines. And as a task force leader, 904 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,640 I'm able to supervise all those 905 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200 different types of of resources all at 906 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,960 the same time. So, 907 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,200 >> thank you. It's really significant. It 908 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,800 really is what puts like Chief Vers 909 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,400 said, ORM on the map with our 910 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,119 capabilities all stemming from one 911 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,599 individual that saw the need and where 912 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,119 it's expanded. So, 913 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,160 >> yeah. So, when when we started in 2018, 914 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,119 it was a nineperson team. um I was the 915 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,960 one and only engine boss on the for the 916 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,880 program and everybody else was at that 917 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960 firefighter type two level and now we've 918 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,040 got five firefighter ones, three engine 919 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,280 bosses and uh like Chief was saying 920 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,839 myself as a task force leader. So kind 921 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,160 of a a little bit of a timeline. Um 922 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,839 Chief Hurst kind of touched on this a 923 00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,760 little bit. We pitched the program in 924 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,800 2017. Um this this presentation is not 925 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,200 about me, but I I started wildland fire 926 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,599 in 2009. I did it right out of high 927 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:08,720 school. So that was kind of my 928 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,680 background coming into ORM fire in 2014. 929 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,560 A few years in, um, I was able to to 930 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,400 team up with Chief Hurst, who was my 931 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,160 battalion chief at the time, and we we 932 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,440 pitched this program. At the time, the 933 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,920 only people that held their wildland 934 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,079 fire certifications were those that had 935 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:27,440 it through their part-time employment, 936 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,640 that they worked somewhere else and 937 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,359 that's where they got it. um ORM fire 938 00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:34,000 for the longest time the mentality was 939 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,880 hey our job is structures our job isn't 940 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,720 uh wildland so we're going to call the 941 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,000 guys with the green pants to come and 942 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,400 take care of that right um I was able to meet with our our leadership team and 943 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400 explain to them it actually is a little 944 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,640 more complicated than that um if the 945 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,079 fire starts in ORM and goes into state 946 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,400 or federal property that is ORM's 947 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,680 problem um so we have a lot of buoy or 948 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,240 wildland urban interface all across that 949 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,480 eastbench. Obviously that if a fire 950 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,160 starts in our backyards and goes up the 951 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,240 hill, we enter into what's called a cost 952 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,240 share with uh with the federal 953 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,720 government at that point because 954 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,240 ultimately that fire is kind of our 955 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,240 fault. It happened started in our city, 956 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,160 right? By participating in the state's 957 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560 program, the it's a it's a contract that 958 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,040 we enter in with them every year. um and 959 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,040 the cost share agreement that we enter 960 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,880 into with them. It's essentially 961 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,320 insurance that we get through the state 962 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520 of Utah by playing the game, playing by 963 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,320 their rules. When we have a large fire 964 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,320 happen in the city of ORM, the state of 965 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,720 Utah picks up the bill because we go and 966 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,960 help when the state of Utah needs help 967 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,760 in other instances. So, uh I don't know 968 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,599 all the specifics behind it, but I know 969 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,359 that a bill was issued to the city of 970 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,280 Orm after the range fire. we were able 971 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,119 to highlight that contract and send it 972 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,359 back and not have to pay a giant bill 973 00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,560 for the range fire. So, paid off paid 974 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,760 off big for us that day. Um, 975 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,200 and by doing these deployments, um, that 976 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,720 helps us. But then also with the cost 977 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,440 share stuff, we do mitigation projects 978 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,680 every year for all three cities where we 979 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,760 go around and we reduce our wildland 980 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,200 fire risk up to a certain uh dollar 981 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,119 amount that the state says, "Hey, you 982 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:27,200 need to do this much work." Um, which we do more than what they request every 983 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,119 year. So, spring of 2019, the the team 984 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,200 formed 2020, like Chief Hurst said, we 985 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,760 purchased our first uh deployment ready 986 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,920 type 6 engine. This is uh our first type 987 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,079 six that we ordered right here. First 988 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,839 one was a single cab Ford. Um it was 989 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,079 very cozy riding with three dudes all 990 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,079 the way to Ventura, California in a 991 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,383 single 992 00:40:50,383 --> 00:40:51,119 [laughter] 993 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,359 >> high school days. 994 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:54,160 That's true. 995 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,800 >> We were able to uh to really get to know 996 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,800 each other being three deep all the way 997 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,839 to Ventura and being three deep for 14 998 00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:04,960 days in the west desert of of Utah here. 999 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,480 So, we were able to get this truck, 1000 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,800 which has been a great workhorse for us. 1001 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,560 So, we've been really happy with this. 1002 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960 Um, in 2025, we were able to purchase a 1003 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,880 sister engine to this. It's another 1004 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,119 four-door Dodge just like it. Uh, so 1005 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,960 engine 632 and 634 are our type 6 fire 1006 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,280 trucks that go out on these wildland 1007 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,880 deployments. So, just for some 1008 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,280 perspective, these are type six engines. 1009 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,599 It's a a Ram 5500. Um, and then type one 1010 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,599 engines are what we normally have 1011 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:34,960 driving around here in the streets of 1012 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,800 Worm that you guys see all the time. So, 1013 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,400 we currently have a type three engine 1014 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,240 that's on order that'll be coming. So, 1015 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,920 it's just sits right there in the middle 1016 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160 between those those two. So, it's it's a 1017 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,000 larger engine, not as big as our normal 1018 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,880 type ones. It still has four-wheel drive 1019 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200 capabilities, but it has a larger pump, 1020 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,880 carries more water and things like that. 1021 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,119 So, it can it can pump longer hose on 1022 00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,079 these wildland fires. So, what what's the benefit to the city 1023 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,040 outside of that cost share agreement and 1024 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,359 that insurance? Uh there's a lot of 1025 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,280 things that that this program brings 1026 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,160 back to the city. It for me the number 1027 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,560 one point that I brought was the safety 1028 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,880 aspect for our first responders. Um we 1029 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,599 go on a lot of specialty calls as uh 1030 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,319 first responders were kind of that that 1031 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,000 hey, I got a problem. I'm going to call 1032 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,200 and the fire department's going to 1033 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,480 figure it out. You wouldn't believe some 1034 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,000 of the stuff we get called for to help 1035 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,040 people out on. Um, but wildland fire is 1036 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,280 one of those specialties that we go on 1037 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,880 pretty regularly. You just heard Chief 1038 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960 Sanderson say every year we go on brush 1039 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960 fires and that's just once related to 1040 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040 the 4th of July. So, we go on these 1041 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,960 wildland fires every single year. And 1042 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,160 typically, I'm not going to sell you 1043 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,319 guys war stories like we're not going on 1044 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,800 the range fire here in ORM jurisdiction 1045 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,400 every year, but it is a special type of 1046 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,359 firefighting. Um, it's not in a box. 1047 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,200 Structure fires are in a box and we just 1048 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520 got to put it out as fast as we can and 1049 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,440 hopefully keep it to that box. A 1050 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,160 wildland fire, the earth is its box, 1051 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,319 right? Um, so there's some specialty 1052 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:07,119 training that comes with that. And now 1053 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,599 we're 100% certified top to bottom. The 1054 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:10,880 entire fire department from Chief 1055 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,800 Sanderson down to our newest hire. 1056 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,240 Everybody is a certified wildland 1057 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,400 firefighter. Now, um, that that comes 1058 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,240 from the support from Chief Sanderson. 1059 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,079 He came in at the time we were going 1060 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:21,520 through we were just going to do it 1061 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,839 through attrition that everybody 5 years 1062 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:25,440 and under was required to and we were 1063 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,760 going to slowly get to 100% and Chief 1064 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,280 Sanderson saw the benefit and just said 1065 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,400 nope we're going to we're going to make 1066 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,960 that 100%. And it's been we've seen the 1067 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,880 benefits from that. Uh we talked about 1068 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,760 the cost insurance that positive PR that 1069 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,680 when we had the Palis a fire in Los 1070 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,040 Angeles in January last year. Um again 1071 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,720 being a citizen of war and being able to 1072 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,720 talk to my neighbors and the sense of 1073 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,720 pride that they had that hey yeah my 1074 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,119 fire department is out there and helping 1075 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,040 the the citizens of Los Angeles and 1076 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,440 their extreme like national historic 1077 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760 event. we're there helping and that's 1078 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,599 that that to me is a really cool 1079 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,359 opportunity to represent our city and do 1080 00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:06,560 that. Um the the revenue that was talked 1081 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,319 about with Chief Hurst and uh the morale 1082 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,480 like the guys are able to to get 1083 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040 overtime at no financial burden to the 1084 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,359 city because while we're on these fires 1085 00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,839 uh we're able to bill our hours directly 1086 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,240 to the incident and give guys the 1087 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,359 opportunity to make a little bit of 1088 00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:26,160 overtime um and the fire is paying for 1089 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,240 paying that bill. So, we talked about 1090 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,119 the safety aspect a little bit. Um, the 1091 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,000 you see here a 747 dropping retardant. 1092 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,760 This is uh the reason I put up this 1093 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,560 photo is because um I don't know if you 1094 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,000 guys heard in uh 2018 of Battalion Chief 1095 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,160 Matt Burchette. He died on one of these 1096 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,000 deployments. He's from Draper City Fire 1097 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,200 Department. He was actually um my 1098 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,560 captain when I was a fire intern uh 1099 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,640 fresh out of uh the recruit academy and 1100 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040 he went on this deployment to California 1101 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,720 and he was working around these large 1102 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,000 aircraft and uh it was a tragic incident 1103 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040 and he he actually died because of a 1104 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,280 retardant drop hit a tree and the tree 1105 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240 came down and crushed him. So, I can't I 1106 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,480 can't stress enough the importance of 1107 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,720 the safety aspect that comes with 1108 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,160 knowing what you're doing on these 1109 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,720 wildland incidents. He was dialed and he 1110 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,480 ended up in a situation that he was 1111 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,760 because he was trying to make sure that 1112 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,680 his men weren't on the line when that 1113 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,280 came through. Um, but because we have 1114 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,720 members of the department that have 1115 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,280 experience talking to these aircraft, 1116 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,119 knowing how far away they need to be, 1117 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,960 knowing what they need to do, we're 1118 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,800 going to operate in a much safer manner. 1119 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,960 Um, and we've got we've got these 1120 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,040 subject matter experts now, right? Um, 1121 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,839 another huge point to me is the working 1122 00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:52,240 relationships that we're able to 1123 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,800 establish with our partners at the state 1124 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,240 of Utah. Um, just this last deployment, 1125 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,720 it was made up primarily of people from 1126 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,119 the state of Utah, from the the Division 1127 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,800 of Natural Resources, Forestry, Fire, 1128 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,280 and State Lands. and we've entered into 1129 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,960 agreements with them in the past where 1130 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,359 they've put on chainsaw classes for us. 1131 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:14,560 They've helped us um gain gain these 1132 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,880 experiences that we need and in return 1133 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,680 we're able to if they have seasonal 1134 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,920 firefighters that want to become career 1135 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,760 structural firefighters, we now have 1136 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,359 that relationship and they can come here 1137 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,280 and we know that they're good, 1138 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280 hardworking people that have strong work 1139 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,560 ethic and they're going to fit in well 1140 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,839 with our culture. So, 1141 00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,520 over the last eight seasons, we've been 1142 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,280 able to deploy all over the western 1143 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,040 United States and even one all the way 1144 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,000 over to Kansas, as you can see. Um, and 1145 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,440 that number is just going to continue to 1146 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,680 grow. Um, we've gone on over 25 1147 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,359 deployments. Like I said, we've gained 1148 00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:49,680 lots of qualifications and it's been 1149 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,640 just been uh really cool to to see the 1150 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,400 Western United States to help on these 1151 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,640 things and and represent this the city 1152 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,119 of ORM um in that that capacity. So, 1153 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,920 I'll talk lastly just about uh this most 1154 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160 recent task force like Chief Hurst said, 1155 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,000 they stood this up because of the 1156 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,720 significant wildland uh threat that the 1157 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:12,960 state of Utah has right now. You guys 1158 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,880 might look at a juniper tree and think 1159 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,800 that that's just a desert pine tree and 1160 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480 I look at it as lightning in a bottle. 1161 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,800 Those things are ready to burn and when 1162 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,000 they burn it is a show. The oil that are 1163 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,839 that's in those things, it's like a 1164 00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:28,240 house is on fire but it's a tree. um and 1165 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,000 the embers that it throws. It's just 1166 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,079 it's uh it's wild out there this year. 1167 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,720 I'll say that. Um so they they stood up 1168 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,359 this task force. We did one day of 1169 00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:39,920 staging in Provo waiting for a large 1170 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,480 enough incident that local resources 1171 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,119 weren't able to tackle it. And after a 1172 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,280 single day, we got the phone call and we 1173 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,119 went to the Iron Fire just outside of 1174 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:50,800 Eureka. We were some of the first 1175 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480 resources there within the first couple 1176 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,440 hours of it starting. And uh like Chief 1177 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,359 Hurst said, in that first operational 1178 00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,680 period is when the city of Eureka was 1179 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240 getting evacuated and we were able to 1180 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,280 tactically reposition ourselves to that 1181 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,800 side of the fire and uh 1182 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,640 I was in a very unique situation where I 1183 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,400 come from the structure world, but I was 1184 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,160 there in a wildland capacity. Um I had 1185 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,920 my wildland radio and I had my structure 1186 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,359 radio. So, I was able to talk to the 1187 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,040 volunteer fire departments and I was 1188 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,000 able to talk to our federal partners and 1189 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,319 kind of act as that liaison and kind of 1190 00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,319 herd the cats, if you will, and and make 1191 00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:29,760 some things happen. And I'm I'm 1192 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,599 confident that this group of individuals 1193 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:34,640 right here is the reason why we didn't 1194 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,240 lose homes in the town of Eureka that 1195 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,839 night. So, it was a it was a really cool 1196 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:41,920 experience. Um really really humbling to 1197 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,000 be able to see that kind of uh force of 1198 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,599 nature come down and and see these 1199 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,960 firemen make a stand. It was really 1200 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,319 cool. We had 40 mph winds switching 1201 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,280 directions on us and we threw a Hail 1202 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,800 Mary and we poured fire in people's 1203 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,119 backyards and it worked. So 1204 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,200 >> firemen starting fires. 1205 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,720 >> That's what they love to do. 1206 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,000 >> So yeah, [laughter] 1207 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,800 >> it works. It works. And I uh I've got a 1208 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,920 video here that I'm going to show you 1209 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,760 guys. It's just a couple minutes just 1210 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400 highlighting some of the the efforts of 1211 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,720 the men on that that deployment and uh 1212 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,160 then if you guys have any questions for 1213 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,040 me. 1214 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,870 >> Thank you. 1215 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,470 » Sounds 1216 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,200 we got to get 1217 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,149 >> have Captain Hickman's angry music. 1218 00:49:29,149 --> 00:49:30,480 [laughter] 1219 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,119 >> It's amazing. 1220 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,960 >> We know how to get the sound going 1221 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:41,990 sound. 1222 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,839 It's one of the hardest parts is picking 1223 00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:47,589 the right song. 1224 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,270 » That's the tone. 1225 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,640 » Set them up and just build it on the 1226 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,040 audio. 1227 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,349 >> I'll step back. 1228 00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:57,589 [laughter] 1229 00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,880 » You have a song going through your head 1230 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,000 while you're out there doing this. 1231 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,880 You're like, "Okay, [laughter] 1232 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,720 >> those songs can't be put in this 1233 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,470 council. [laughter] 1234 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,640 against the machine. All those kind of 1235 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,349 >> was talking very 1236 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,040 protective. That's right. 1237 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:27,270 >> Hi ho. Hi ho. 1238 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,400 » Yeah, just put on the computer 1239 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,160 >> so you can sing the song that's supposed 1240 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,839 to go with this. 1241 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:34,720 >> It's a lot of instruments. [laughter] 1242 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,440 Last year was fun. 1243 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,950 >> No, I wanted 1244 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:59,670 you 1245 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:41,589 Grand 1246 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,710 That's 1247 00:51:44,720 --> 00:52:07,910 better. 1248 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:15,430 body position. 1249 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:35,030 Are you going to think about 1250 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:53,190 the high 1251 00:52:53,200 --> 00:53:03,589 Okay. 1252 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:24,150 So, 1253 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,240 » thanks for your time. I appreciate again 1254 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,720 you guys' support and being able to come 1255 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,800 in here and just advocate for the work 1256 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,079 you guys do out there and uh uh we just 1257 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,559 really appreciate the the opportunity to 1258 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,720 represent Orum out there. You guys uh 1259 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,400 have any questions for for me or for 1260 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,520 Chief First? 1261 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,200 >> So I have a question but first I want to 1262 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,119 say yeah impressive, right? I mean I'm 1263 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,839 like you're walking towards that thing. 1264 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:49,440 Rest of us are running away. So thank 1265 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,000 you so much. Um I uh when I grew up 1266 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,200 there were two of Heber um a neighbor of 1267 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,720 mine was a firefighter that was killed 1268 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,480 in a wildland fire. So it was I just 1269 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,760 every time I hear of these fires I think 1270 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,680 of you guys. So thank you for that um 1271 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,720 risk that you put your yourselves in for 1272 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:17,680 you know property really um for people's 1273 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,000 you know valuables. But anyway, so my 1274 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,800 question I'm kind of curious those that 1275 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040 big equipment, where does that come 1276 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,440 from? How do you get that? Or is 1277 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,760 >> uh the state of Utah uh owns and 1278 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,240 operates that dozer specifically, but 1279 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,359 there's a the wildland world is full of 1280 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:36,880 uh so it's kind of tiered. There's 1281 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,680 federal, there's state, there's 1282 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,119 cooperators, which is us, and then 1283 00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,760 there's contractors. So, the feds and 1284 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,520 the state have a lot of heavy equipment 1285 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,599 that they purchase specifically for 1286 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,599 wildland firefighting. Um, there are 1287 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,599 some cities that offer up their heavy 1288 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,440 equipment. I've actually spoken with uh 1289 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,520 Director Shery about us potentially 1290 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,760 getting into that um in the future 1291 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,920 utilizing our heavy equipment to to 1292 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,680 assist on these type of things, but a 1293 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,760 lot of it is primarily done by 1294 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,240 contractors. So people that own like an 1295 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,400 excavation business, they sign a 1296 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,800 contract with the federal government to 1297 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,520 utilize their equipment in in building 1298 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,559 these uh wildland fire control lines. 1299 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,800 >> Yeah. 1300 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,680 >> I just I want to say thank you, but I 1301 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,480 feel like that doesn't convey what the 1302 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,000 appreciation 1303 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,559 that I think we have. I said, "One of my 1304 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,800 earliest childhood memories around 1305 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,640 wildland fires, growing up in a canyon 1306 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,720 outside of Santa Barbara, California, 1307 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,800 and watching my dad on the roof with the 1308 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,520 hose and going up the road and seeing 1309 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,920 the half of the ravines on fire, just 1310 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,680 all these different things. We we had 1311 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,079 actually moved by the time the fire a 1312 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,920 fire actually burned down the house that 1313 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,400 we we lived in. But yes, there's just 1314 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,160 Thank you. Thank you for putting your life on liberty lives on the line 1315 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,000 to help protect our communities and 1316 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,760 I appreciate what what you do. Thank 1317 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,040 you. Thank you. Appreciate your support. 1318 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,480 >> We're just proud of you. We're really 1319 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,559 proud of you. And my Chief Sanderson had 1320 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,720 sent some of those videos via email and 1321 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,319 I had to all my sons in say you guys 1322 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:15,520 come look at this and they were proud of 1323 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,640 you and we just we're proud that you're 1324 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,599 representing Warren. 1325 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:21,349 >> Yes. Yes. 1326 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:23,760 Multiple meetings I've talked with Bren 1327 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,680 about budget expansion requests because 1328 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:26,880 I see it coming. One of those 1329 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,520 helicopters 1330 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,160 structures don't load the water. Fire's 1331 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,040 out. 1332 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,799 >> As long as the mayor can push the 1333 00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,319 button, 1334 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:38,880 >> just drop the water. Right. 1335 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880 >> Go ahead and keep requesting, chief. 1336 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,599 You're allowed to want. That's right. 1337 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:46,640 Thanks so much. 1338 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,359 >> Thank you. 1339 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,400 >> Thanks you guys. 1340 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,079 All right, next item on the agenda. 1341 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,119 >> Canal. I think this is for the next one. 1342 00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,640 >> Okay, so we're doing the canal update 1343 00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,119 next. 1344 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,720 >> Yeah, we're doing the canal update next. 1345 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,040 I don't have a slideshow because killed 1346 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,680 it. 1347 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,520 >> I sent it to the fire department. They 1348 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,190 lifted my music from it. [laughter] 1349 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,799 » So 1350 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:14,480 that would be the only thing that make 1351 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,240 the canal more interesting is that 1352 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,119 music. 1353 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,400 Now the canal. So as you know the canal 1354 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,799 uh we have uh gotten a grant from MAG 1355 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:31,920 and we have now issued a contract to 1356 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,559 methods studio and they're helping us go 1357 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,880 through it. We have our first meeting 1358 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,079 with them tomorrow be the scoping uh 1359 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,160 tomorrow where we'll set out the agenda 1360 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,440 and time frames and things like that. So 1361 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,280 I know you're getting lots of questions. 1362 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,520 I know you're getting lots of emails, so 1363 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,280 we wanted to come in and quickly give 1364 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,160 you that little heads up about where we 1365 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,520 are. Once we have a schedule and we're 1366 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,000 looking at things, we'll come back and 1367 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880 let you know uh the schedule of how 1368 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,559 we'll go about it. 1369 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:06,880 >> Just to clarify, you said Method 1370 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:07,599 Studios. 1371 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,240 >> Oh, Methods, 1372 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,079 >> which is a planning for Method Studios, 1373 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,079 our architect on this building. 1374 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,319 >> I thought, wow, 1375 00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,799 I just said 1376 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:19,520 >> thank you. 1377 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,720 >> Have water features 1378 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,240 elevator. 1379 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,565 >> It is a water feature facility. 1380 00:58:27,565 --> 00:58:28,960 [laughter] 1381 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,079 >> No. So, so then as residents have 1382 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,160 questions at this point, it would still 1383 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,720 be appropriate to send them to you until 1384 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,400 method is going. 1385 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,200 >> Yeah. Until we get them going. Uh one of 1386 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,599 the the major things and what we want to 1387 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,640 focus on uh primarily at the beginning 1388 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,680 is outreach and we've had lots of people 1389 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,160 contact us. Thank you for forwarding 1390 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,559 emails to you. We're we're keeping track 1391 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,960 of all of those people. We want to uh 1392 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,640 work with uh the residents as much as 1393 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,040 possible especially those who abut the 1394 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,000 canal. And I've talked to many many 1395 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,720 people and 1396 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,680 uh you know, no surprise, the farther 1397 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,559 away from the canal you are, the more in 1398 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,520 favor of it you you tend to be. The 1399 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,640 closer to the canal, the the greater 1400 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,400 your uh level of uncomfortableness and 1401 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,799 in the questions that you have. So, 1402 00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:30,559 we're trying to look at getting some 1403 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,839 really good public information out uh 1404 00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:36,640 rather than just anecdotally what we 1405 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,119 have because I' I've heard everything 1406 00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,359 from this is the greatest thing that 1407 00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:42,880 could ever happened to ORM. Of course, 1408 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,960 we should do it to this is the worst 1409 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,799 thing that could ever happen to ORM. Of 1410 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:49,280 course, we shouldn't and everything in 1411 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,520 between. So, we're excited and uh we'll 1412 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,760 keep methods studio away and we'll just 1413 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,760 work with them. 1414 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,920 What's your timeline of the completed? 1415 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:01,839 >> We're I'm hoping to have something by 1416 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,520 the end of this year that the council 1417 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,040 can review this year to information 1418 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,440 back, especially the public outreach 1419 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,160 because part of this uh I if if there's 1420 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,480 if early on 1421 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,760 uh it the community support is just 1422 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,319 let's say overwhelming, that can really 1423 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,480 shape how and what we would do from 1424 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,599 there. if the community uh was 1425 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,000 overwhelmingly against something like 1426 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,319 this and it just wasn't going to happen. 1427 01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:34,319 The sooner we can find that out the 1428 01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:37,599 better um in in going through that lots 1429 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,599 of people are very interested in this. 1430 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,200 >> Okay. So I'm sorry I need to clarify 1431 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,400 this then by the end of the year we'll 1432 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,040 have a completed report or by the end of 1433 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,240 the year you want to be finished with 1434 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,640 the community outreach. Uh certainly by 1435 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,000 the end of the year we'll be finished 1436 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,559 with uh community outreach and we will 1437 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,680 have a good draft of a report. I don't 1438 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,440 know that it'd be final and there still 1439 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,799 may be some tweaking to do on it, but at 1440 01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:05,680 least by the end of the year, uh I want 1441 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,599 to be able to give the council as much 1442 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:12,720 information as we can on the support, uh 1443 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,599 the issues, the things that the 1444 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:19,119 community is concerned about and 1445 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,520 what we can or cannot do with some of 1446 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,920 these things. It's a it's a very 1447 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,640 complicated deal. Uh there are property 1448 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,079 issues, there's feasibility issues, 1449 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,720 there's just the the desire to have it 1450 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,829 whether or not issues. So 1451 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,799 » when the Murdoch Canal Trail went in, 1452 01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:44,160 was there a lot of community 1453 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,839 uh hesitation on building of that or was 1454 01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,000 there pretty good support? I don't 1455 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,430 remember 1456 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,960 what that was like. 1457 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,799 I was in Lehi at the time and there was 1458 01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,920 a lot of concern. 1459 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,920 >> So I'm wondering if reaching out to 1460 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,680 people who backed the Murdoch Canal 1461 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:10,319 Trail and having their perspective of what the trail has 1462 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:14,789 been like can be helpful 1463 01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,599 for those who are facing the a 1464 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,599 possibility of that in I guess. Yeah, 1465 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,760 the Murdoch canal and not being in ORM 1466 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,400 at the time and Chris was and he can 1467 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,440 jump in here in a second usually on 1468 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,920 projects like this 1469 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,280 um the farther away from the canal the 1470 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,599 less of a direct impact it has on you. 1471 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,480 So it tends to be a little easier for 1472 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,000 people to rally around doing something 1473 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,520 as you're right next to the canal. 1474 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,799 the personal impact to your property and 1475 01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:52,960 that that can be a difficult thing and a 1476 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,480 lot of concerns. Uh I think also 1477 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,240 underlying the the canal issue. Uh the 1478 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,079 property issues were a little different 1479 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:03,520 than what we're facing now. 1480 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,960 >> That's that was what I was going to say 1481 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,920 was that the the pipe the canal was 1482 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,520 going to be piped anyway. That was that 1483 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,960 was going to be done. the issue ended up 1484 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,640 being 1485 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,400 what's going to be what's going to 1486 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,799 happen on top of the where the pipe is. 1487 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,880 And so I say Chris, I remember there was 1488 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,119 some opposition 1489 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,440 >> to it and but there was also a lot of 1490 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,640 support. There's a lot of uncertainty 1491 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,920 that you 1492 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,240 >> So the Murdoch Canal has a typical 1493 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,240 right-of-way cross-section of about 100 1494 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,280 ft and there was a it was federally 1495 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,039 owned and there was a title transfer 1496 01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,680 that took place around 15 years ago or 1497 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,280 so and as a result they put in a pipe 1498 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,559 that was 110 in diameter to to be able 1499 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,720 to provide I think 600 cfs of flow 1500 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,880 there. The major concerns from the 1501 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,240 property owners were a couple different 1502 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,440 ones. One was rightaway lines. Some 1503 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,599 people had improvements that weren't on 1504 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,760 their property. So, those all had to be 1505 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,079 resolved and so they had to clearly 1506 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:09,520 define where those were. And there are 1507 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,039 some property line boundary line 1508 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,359 adjustments. But also, as you look at 1509 01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:15,680 the cross-section from east to west, the 1510 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,079 west side in many cases is much lower 1511 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,319 than the east side. And then you could 1512 01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:22,160 actually visit or you could actually see 1513 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,559 down and view what's going on in the 1514 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,039 neighbor's yard or look in their window 1515 01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:28,400 right from the trail. So there was a lot 1516 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,799 of privacy concerns. Um there were 1517 01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:33,760 concerns about uh by neighbors of just 1518 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,640 noise, general activation of that area. 1519 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,000 Um it was it was uh no trespassing signs 1520 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,599 were everywhere on that prior to that 1521 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,680 point, but now they opened it up and 1522 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,079 programmed it to recreational activity. 1523 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,240 So some were okay with it, some were 1524 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,319 not. Um generally I think there was 1525 01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:52,720 probably some pretty positive support in 1526 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,119 part because it was so wide. The rideway 1527 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,920 was so wide. Provo Bench Canal and North 1528 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,599 Union Canal, the rideway is anywhere 1529 01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:03,520 from maybe six feet to 20 feet in width. 1530 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,319 >> So it's much tighter. 1531 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,039 >> So the trail in Highland, Sierra Hills 1532 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,319 and Highland. 1533 01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:11,039 >> Which trail? 1534 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,240 >> Narrow, right? 1535 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,359 >> Which one? 1536 01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:14,880 >> Is it the Murdoch Canal Trail that 1537 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,480 continues that goes to to the Jordan 1538 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:16,960 River? 1539 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,960 >> Yeah. Yes. So how would our can we look 1540 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,599 at how comparatively those neighbors to 1541 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,720 Crystal's point the reception and and I 1542 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,880 mean that's been 35 years right 30 years 1543 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,599 that they 1544 01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:33,359 >> canal is 2015ish 1545 01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:35,200 >> the the ones going through where they 1546 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,680 continued it through Highland and Cedar 1547 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,160 Hills 1548 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,760 >> I think the W through there is similar 1549 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:40,400 to here 1550 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,280 >> maybe 20 or so 1551 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,079 >> we biked that route a number of times 1552 01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,480 the only place where it kind of goes 1553 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,839 away is when you get to uh uh Highland 1554 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:51,760 Glenn Park. 1555 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,839 Once you come down into that little 1556 01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:56,319 valley, the trail just it's not really 1557 01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:58,079 on the canal anymore. You have to wind 1558 01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:59,440 your way through and then back on city 1559 01:05:59,440 --> 01:05:59,920 streets. 1560 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,039 >> Yeah. And I stand corrected. You're 1561 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:02,640 right. It was when the Murdoch Canal 1562 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,480 Trail went when they were doing all that that I mean, didn't Highland 1563 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,160 embrace that and they actually put it 1564 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,200 through subdivisions. Um they did. 1565 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,280 >> Yeah. 1566 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,880 wanted it to weave through homes, 1567 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,799 through neighborhoods, and kind of have 1568 01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:19,440 that kind of activity. What was the I'd 1569 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,599 just be curious to know how that all 1570 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,680 ended up, you know, the perception, the how people feel. 1571 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:26,960 >> I think there's a lot of fear of the 1572 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,280 unknown and if we can help answer some 1573 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,319 of that for some residents to say, okay, 1574 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,559 here's where it's been done before and 1575 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,440 how it turned out, 1576 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,000 it could be helpful. One of the reasons 1577 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,400 we pick methods is uh in their uh 1578 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,720 response to the request for proposals, 1579 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,000 they list people and qualifications or 1580 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,400 experience in dealing with these issues 1581 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,280 and a couple of them uh were very 1582 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,480 involved with the Murdoch and have a 1583 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,599 real good history and and worked on it 1584 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,440 quite a bit and we thought that 1585 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,520 experience would be invaluable for us 1586 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,319 here since we'll be facing similar type 1587 01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:09,280 of issues. 1588 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,280 >> One one of them actually led the project 1589 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,400 Murdoch Canal project. So 1590 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,599 >> the most significant difference is that 1591 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:21,280 um Murdoch Canal right away was owned by 1592 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,079 that private association. 1593 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:29,039 So I I think uh that's wonderful and I think I think Method is going to 1594 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,000 do a great job. I think it shouldn't be 1595 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,000 too difficult to ask them of if there's 1596 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,599 other narrower canals 1597 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:41,599 and and share examples of how that's 1598 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,760 turned out to be 1599 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,400 well used and activated and low crime 1600 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,000 and and a you know an overall benefit to 1601 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,359 the cities where those are located. just 1602 01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:54,799 I think we do a really good job of 1603 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,200 showing comparative analysis 1604 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,520 and Murdoch Canal is obviously a great 1605 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,280 data point, but there's probably a 1606 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,720 couple others we could find around the 1607 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,880 state that that could ease concerns. And 1608 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,799 one of the reasons for bringing this to 1609 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:11,119 you tonight, even though we're having 1610 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:13,599 the scoping meeting tomorrow, is so that 1611 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:17,279 we can relay to them the concerns that 1612 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:21,359 the council's hearing and the ideas that 1613 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,359 uh we should keep in mind as we go 1614 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,040 through the process. So, this is very 1615 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,920 helpful for me. And one thing that we 1616 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,199 hear a lot of too is um 1617 01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:33,520 there there's there's already activity 1618 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,359 in the canal now. There always has been, 1619 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,960 but concern of what's happening there 1620 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,480 now 1621 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,359 and the fear being um that that's just 1622 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,199 going to escalate if that's opened up to 1623 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:48,880 a trail. 1624 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,719 Um I remember when we put the pickle 1625 01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:53,440 ball courts at Sharon Park and how crime 1626 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:55,600 went down 1627 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,159 uh significantly. Um, and so I'm 1628 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,799 wondering if there's any data 1629 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,600 um that could be found that would 1630 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,199 compare, 1631 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,839 you know, just this dead space with no 1632 01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:11,359 eyes on it to a public trail where 1633 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,000 people are coming and going and and if 1634 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679 that in fact would have a positive 1635 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:19,199 effect on on 1636 01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,000 >> Yeah, that's a great idea. All these are 1637 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,719 great ideas that I'll make sure we talk 1638 01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,920 about in our meeting tomorrow. Uh 1639 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,920 because 1640 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,600 things like that, that's one of the 1641 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,319 things I hear and I and I completely 1642 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,000 understand people's concern. Uh now from 1643 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,400 my chain leak fence in my backyard, 1644 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,319 there's going to be a whole bunch of 1645 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,880 people. What does that mean for me? And 1646 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,808 how is that going to work? And 1647 01:09:46,808 --> 01:09:48,719 [clears throat] the concerns and and 1648 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:52,080 they're real and legitimate. 1649 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,320 to cast a wide net to find examples and 1650 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,229 answers. 1651 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,080 » Thank you. 1652 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,760 >> Right, you're up for the next item for 1653 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,600 the next 15 minutes on our detached 1654 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,920 accessory dwelling units update. 1655 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,400 >> Okay, detached accessory dwelling units. 1656 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,960 Probably saying, why are we doing this? 1657 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,840 State law. States's making us do this. 1658 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,400 Uh the state passed a new law and by 1659 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,520 October 1st we have to have an ordinance 1660 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,120 that allows detached accessory dwelling 1661 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,920 units on at least lots that are 11,000 1662 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,040 square ft or larger. So we have to go 1663 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,040 through this process. Um our timeline's 1664 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,080 fairly short. State law has a few things 1665 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,000 that we have to do. Uh it says get it 1666 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,880 tells us of some things that we can't do 1667 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,600 and then it's silent on some regulations 1668 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,600 that we think we ought to put in. And so 1669 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,920 this just shows you we're taking this to 1670 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,800 planning commission uh July 15th. They 1671 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,159 also have a meeting on August 5th. I 1672 01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:06,000 want to be done with planning commission 1673 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,400 and have told them this is their 1674 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,280 deadline to make any recommendations to 1675 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,480 the council because now it gives uh the 1676 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,360 council August 11th, September 8th, and 1677 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,120 September 22nd to look at and deal with 1678 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,640 an ordinance. 1679 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,199 >> Oh, go ahead. 1680 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:24,080 >> Oh, no. Go ahead. 1681 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,520 >> The council the Utah League of Cities 1682 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840 and Towns is doing a webinar tomorrow on 1683 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,520 this, 1684 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,239 just so you know. Did everyone get the 1685 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:33,520 emailed link from 1686 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:34,400 >> I didn't know because you were talking 1687 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,320 about dates and that's and then talking 1688 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,640 about tomorrow and that that webinar is 1689 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,400 tomorrow. So tomorrow at noon 1690 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,960 >> at noon so I don't know if you want to 1691 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,320 tune in and 1692 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,800 >> I don't know I haven't it's probably on 1693 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,000 my calendar. I have half the time on my 1694 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:50,640 calendar. 1695 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,120 >> I do what my calendar says. 1696 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,280 >> So anyway I'm sorry to interrupt. 1697 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,320 >> No. And so what we've done is since if 1698 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,840 we do nothing then we have a state law 1699 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,159 that says we have to allow things and an 1700 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:05,679 applicant could come in and say you have 1701 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,480 to do this and then there might be areas 1702 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,880 that we could put in for instance what 1703 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,960 are the setbacks state law silent on 1704 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,400 that. So what we're doing is I had uh uh 1705 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,040 the the planning uh division we sat down 1706 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,000 and kind of looked at it and said okay 1707 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,000 what's the the bare uh minimum that we 1708 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,000 need to have in here uh in the ordinance 1709 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,320 and then it's certainly something it's just a place to start for the 1710 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,960 council and the planning commission but 1711 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,159 if the setbacks are not enough that we 1712 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,440 put in the draft ordinance then then you 1713 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,840 know we need to increase those but we 1714 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,679 put in what we thought the minimum 1715 01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:51,760 absolutely should be. So there's a few 1716 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,840 things like that. So in this we have to 1717 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,239 uh they have to comply with building 1718 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:02,239 codes all of that. Um, we have to allow 1719 01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:05,040 if say somebody has a detached garage, 1720 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,760 we have to allow that to be converted. 1721 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,520 Uh, in but only if it meets the right 1722 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,280 codes and setbacks and things like that. 1723 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,080 Um, 1724 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,840 >> now can I just say I had one near me 1725 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,400 they found that when someone bought the 1726 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,000 property that someone had put people in 1727 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,080 a detached garage and put the sewer in 1728 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,920 the ground, just dug a hole. 1729 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,280 >> So, we're going to be inspecting all 1730 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,960 these. Oh yeah, absolutely. 1731 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,239 >> Be tight control right now. 1732 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,280 >> Yep. And and we're we're going to put in 1733 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:41,440 we so uh what we can't do so well on 1734 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:43,520 this we have to allow it. Somebody's got 1735 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,159 a detached garage and it it meets other 1736 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,360 issues. We would have to allow that. One 1737 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,440 thing that we can't do is we can't make 1738 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,400 it go through a conditional use process. 1739 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,560 Uh state law says we can't do that. Um 1740 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,040 the second one this uh requires setbacks 1741 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,000 from property lines or from a detached 1742 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,800 dwelling that make it unreasonably 1743 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,320 difficult. 1744 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,760 And I hate language like that because I 1745 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,120 don't necessarily know what 1746 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,040 unreasonably. So we're trying to look at 1747 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,199 things where we can have good common 1748 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:21,040 sense uh regulation that protects 1749 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,280 existing neighborhoods while meeting 1750 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,239 state law requirements. Um, and uh, we 1751 01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:31,280 can't require more than two 1752 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,000 on-site parking spots 1753 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,480 for an ADU that's 650 ft or bigger. Uh, 1754 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,920 and we can't require more than one on 1755 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:47,199 site for one that's less than 650 ft. 1756 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:54,800 And we have uh we can't the state law requirements 1757 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,400 and we talked a little bit about those 1758 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,960 when we dealt with the building height 1759 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,159 and the new uh building envelope within 1760 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,080 which you can build. There are certain 1761 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,640 elements state law will not allow us to 1762 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,440 regulate. those same requirements apply 1763 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:14,870 to these detached ADUs. 1764 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:21,600 And uh but what we can is uh we can 1765 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,679 require that they comply with our lot 1766 01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:28,800 coverage and things like that. That's why the state says you have to 1767 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,920 allow it on 11,000 square feet. We don't 1768 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,400 think we even though the state law would 1769 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,239 allow us to go less than that. We don't 1770 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,719 think we should. We think we ought to 1771 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:42,000 start with 11,000 square foot lots, keep 1772 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,880 it on that and see how this goes. We 1773 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,760 want to be very careful and cautious in 1774 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,480 our approach and incremental. 1775 01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:54,320 Um, and we can require it to be 1776 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,360 consistent with the main dwelling unit 1777 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:02,080 and uh we can require that it uh not be 1778 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,679 larger than the primary dwelling unit or 1779 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:09,360 these uh or in easements, things like 1780 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,480 that that would really interfere 1781 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,440 uh with it uh existing easements and 1782 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,280 things that we do in a lot. We're not 1783 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,679 going to allow them in the front yard. 1784 01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:21,760 They're going to have to be packed 1785 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,719 behind the front yard, set back, and 1786 01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:28,480 they cannot be uh we don't want them to 1787 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,800 be rented for less than 90 consecutive 1788 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,679 days. That if these are accessory 1789 01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:36,000 dwelling units, they are not short-term 1790 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,080 rentals. And we want to make that really 1791 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,840 clear in the ordinance. 1792 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,320 Whereas, if we do nothing and don't 1793 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,159 create an ordinance, there is an 1794 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,159 argument that somebody could say, "Oh, 1795 01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,080 if you allow short-term rentals, I could 1796 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,550 use this as a short-term rental." 1797 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,040 And uh 1798 01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,520 we can go in and if they take out 1799 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,760 parking to put it in, they have to 1800 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,239 replace the parking. You've got to have 1801 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,640 adequate utilities. We'll be looking at 1802 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,920 that on a case-byase basis. 1803 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,400 uh they have to hook up uh and have the 1804 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,280 uh the capacity for location utilities 1805 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,480 and there's only one whether it's 1806 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:26,159 detached or it's attached in the home. 1807 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,870 You don't end up with three units. 1808 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,239 And I think that's it. That's it. 1809 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,880 So this is just to I know some of you 1810 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,280 are very familiar with this. We do have 1811 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,040 a short time frame. Um, if we were doing 1812 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,520 this, uh, if we didn't have the short 1813 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,440 time frame that was mandated by state 1814 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:50,719 law putting these requirements on us, 1815 01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,239 uh, we would approach this very 1816 01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,560 differently. We'd have a different 1817 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,480 conversation up here and take more time 1818 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,800 to really talk about things and think 1819 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,199 about it and go through the process, but 1820 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,960 we're kind of under the gun with this. 1821 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,320 So, just be aware. Um, I'm not 1822 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,000 necessarily 1823 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,040 tonight looking for a lot of feedback. 1824 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,679 This is just an introduction. And Jared 1825 01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:17,199 sent out to you last week a copy of the 1826 01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:18,880 ordinance. So, you're probably 1827 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,400 wondering, why the heck do I have this 1828 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,199 ordinance? And this is now to give you 1829 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,440 that context why you have it, what's 1830 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,920 going on with it, and be thinking about 1831 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:36,640 it so that as we come in uh later on in uh August and September that we can 1832 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,400 have those conversations and I would 1833 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,679 imagine we'll want to have another uh 1834 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:44,480 work session where we can go over maybe 1835 01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,040 in more detail exactly how this works 1836 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,960 and uh what an ordinance would do and 1837 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,679 not to we want to make sure you really 1838 01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:55,679 understand and go in to it with your 1839 01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:57,920 eyes wide open on this. 1840 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,320 >> Appreciate it. Um this kind of the heads 1841 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,400 up introduction as the planning 1842 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,800 commission will be tackling this 1843 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,920 tomorrow. 1844 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,360 >> Yes. And they'll be looking at it 1845 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,080 tomorrow. And again, I've told them we 1846 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,159 want uh planning commission's work to be 1847 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,480 done by August 5th so that the council 1848 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,199 has plenty of time come in and think 1849 01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,840 about this and look at it. 1850 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,640 Um Gary asking for a friend if I wanted 1851 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,960 to construct a detached catio 1852 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,640 >> is that 1853 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,239 >> and I do that is that possible or 1854 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:34,320 >> Oh absolutely just do it 1855 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,315 >> being the friend 1856 01:19:36,315 --> 01:19:37,199 [laughter] 1857 01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:39,040 >> I guess dwelling is for people so I 1858 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:39,520 guess 1859 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,679 >> okay okay I don't know but that's that's 1860 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:43,120 >> some people feel like their cats are 1861 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,790 like people [laughter] 1862 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,800 » admit to 1863 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,000 Your lot your lot's over 11,000. 1864 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,280 >> It might be close. Yeah, 1865 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,280 >> mine's over 11,000. So 1866 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,000 >> Oh, no. I I just appreciate you and 1867 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,880 staff jumping on this super quickly. 1868 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,159 >> Thank you. 1869 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:09,120 >> It's been coming quickly and fast and 1870 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,760 >> a lot from the state. So fact that you 1871 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,920 put this much together is is really 1872 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,840 impressive. So thank you. 1873 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,760 >> Thank you. Just a quick question. I 1874 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,600 mean, we have no idea what what the 1875 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,840 response is going to be to this people 1876 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,080 actually doing it, but does that 1877 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,679 >> cause you any heartburn, Chris, with 1878 01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:28,960 infrastructure and pipes and 1879 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,199 >> it's a small impact on utilities 1880 01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:35,679 for single family dwelling. 1881 01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,560 >> If we have lots of them popping up all 1882 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,320 over, 1883 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,159 >> I mean, if we double number of units 1884 01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:43,280 throughout the city, then that would be 1885 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,520 a concern. 1886 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,159 Don't see that happening. 1887 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,000 >> Lots this size of normal. 1888 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,760 >> Most of them are 8,000 or smaller. 1889 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,000 >> Yeah. And with the 11,000 square ft and 1890 01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,159 just looking at a kind of a normal size 1891 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:02,320 home on 10 11,000 square ft, it would be 1892 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,920 hard 1893 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,120 uh to situate a 650 700 square foot 1894 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,640 detached unit and still have a 1895 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,719 functioning area. And when you get down 1896 01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:18,080 to 8,000 square ft, boy, that's really 1897 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,600 difficult. Uh I know some communities 1898 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,120 have come in and they're embracing this 1899 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,679 type of thing and I'm not suggesting 1900 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:31,760 uh we do this but if the community 1901 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,840 wanted to do something what what they 1902 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,239 are doing or thinking about doing is 1903 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:40,560 they have kind of a standard offtheshelf 1904 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,400 couple of plans that if you come in and 1905 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,239 do it it's very easy. It's been 1906 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,960 pre-looked at by public works, 1907 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,199 pre-looked at by building inspection, 1908 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:53,280 and it helps people quickly go through 1909 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,760 that process. It gets cited in an 1910 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,639 appropriate place. And if we were to do 1911 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:01,679 anything like that, again, 1912 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:05,040 you know that planning, half of planning 1913 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,280 is the law of unintended consequences. 1914 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,159 You come in and you do something. I I 1915 01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,239 like the approach of let's see how many 1916 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:16,320 people come in on 11,000 foot lots. See 1917 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,560 what the impact is. See what the issues 1918 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,440 are and then we can have a conversation 1919 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:24,960 later on whether it makes sense to do 1920 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,360 something different. 1921 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,360 >> So the draft ordinance that you sent us 1922 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,800 because it's not in the packet, right? 1923 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,440 So but on July 8th, has that changed 1924 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,679 since where you are today? No. 1925 01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:38,080 >> Presentation. These are all 1926 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,400 >> the same. Yes, the the these these are 1927 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,520 all the same. It hasn't changed. 1928 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,159 >> Um so you're you're seeing what planning 1929 01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,440 commission's seeing. You're all seeing 1930 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:49,679 it together. Planning commission any 1931 01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:52,320 changes that they'll get will make sure 1932 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,239 that you know what's different from and 1933 01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:57,679 that's why we want to have several 1934 01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:00,000 meetings. I think this is such an 1935 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,120 important [clears throat] issue. I'd 1936 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,560 like to have, you know, at least one if 1937 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,600 not two work meetings before it's on any 1938 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,520 sort of action meeting so that we can go 1939 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,000 through it, really understand it. And again, as staff, what we've tried to 1940 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,800 do is take what state law mandating that 1941 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,080 we do, put it into ordinance form, and 1942 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,400 then where it's silent, but we think 1943 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,520 that silence creates a problem for us, 1944 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,600 put in a standard that we think is the 1945 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,600 bare minimum that we should have as a 1946 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,520 city. We wouldn't want to see anything 1947 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,080 less. And the the best example of that 1948 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,800 would be the setbacks that have those 1949 01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,360 setbacks. You could go less. I would 1950 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,159 suggest you don't, but the council 1951 01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,080 could. 1952 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,920 >> Thank you. Will you express our 1953 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,280 appreciation to the planning commission 1954 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,040 for them to them for looking at this and 1955 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,199 giving us recommendations? 1956 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:54,800 >> I will not. I don't want them getting 1957 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,120 big hats. So are they [laughter] 1958 01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,960 >> should we send the them 1959 01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,760 >> the webinar for UCT or I don't I don't 1960 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,320 know what their background is. 1961 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:07,840 Yeah, that would be a good idea. We we 1962 01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,040 can send that out. 1963 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,880 >> New right. So I think they're barely 1964 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,320 even learning land use. So 1965 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,199 >> we we can get that sent out to them. And 1966 01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:19,360 one thing I am uh going to be proposing 1967 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,400 and and I and Quinn's not here. he's 1968 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,199 online I think is I would suggest it's 1969 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,440 about time that we have a council a 1970 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,199 joint meeting of council and planning 1971 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,080 commission to kind of talk about you 1972 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,960 know what the council's vision is for 1973 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,880 things and how planning commission can 1974 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,239 support that and 1975 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:39,520 >> let's do it 1976 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,080 >> that would be something and I apologize 1977 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,560 to Quinn that I haven't 1978 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,480 >> he's 1979 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,040 no I'm I'm very supportive of that Gary 1980 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,760 u mayor if we have time for a question I 1981 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,120 have have one for Gary on this issue. 1982 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,199 Uh, one thing that's important to me 1983 01:24:57,199 --> 01:24:58,960 because there there's a fair amount of 1984 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,639 uncertainty as to what the impacts are 1985 01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:02,960 going to look like, how many people will 1986 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,239 want to do this, um, you know, how it 1987 01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:09,280 will affect neighborhoods. Uh, we have a 1988 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,920 number of cities in the state that have 1989 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,600 quite a bit of experience with it. I 1990 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,440 think Gary, specifically in Salt Lake 1991 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,199 County, quite a few cities have 1992 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:18,880 experience with it. I think Logan also 1993 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:19,920 does. 1994 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,920 It would be really helpful for planning 1995 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,760 commission, I think, to uh learn from 1996 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,960 those cities that have ordinances that 1997 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,920 allow detached ADUs in advance of this 1998 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,239 state requirement so that we have a 1999 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:37,840 better sense of how many we might get um 2000 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,639 and how conservative we might need to be 2001 01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:42,960 with respect to demand. Um, so I would 2002 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,679 just encourage us to 2003 01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,400 u to learn from other cities experiences 2004 01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,760 before we make too many assumptions. 2005 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,239 >> No, that's that's a great idea. We can 2006 01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:57,120 have uh someone contact those places to 2007 01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,199 get information. It's in planning you if 2008 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:02,480 somebody's already done something 2009 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,520 similar to this, it just pays to go find 2010 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,440 out what their experience is. So we'll 2011 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,679 do the same thing. Can I just ask? So, I 2012 01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:11,360 wasn't able to watch the I know you 2013 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,800 watched the one last week from ULCT. 2014 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,080 Were there highlights here? Um, you 2015 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,159 know, I appreciate that ULCT is always 2016 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,480 one size miss, right? That's kind of 2017 01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,560 their their scope that they look at 2018 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,239 things. And I just want to kind of ask, 2019 01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:29,840 is that the way they're approaching 2020 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,920 this? 2021 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,840 >> At this point, it's already a mandate by 2022 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,040 the state. 2023 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,960 >> I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just 2024 01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,760 saying from our ability to legislate 2025 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,280 additional cuz like he says 2026 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,560 >> webinars probably 2027 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:45,840 >> they talk about it already though. What 2028 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,520 did they talk about? 2029 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,840 >> They've been pushing for cities to just 2030 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,639 make sure you're looking at that. 2031 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:54,960 >> Make sure you're getting that 2032 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:55,679 grace period. 2033 01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:56,960 >> No suggestions yet. Just 2034 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,760 >> no suggestions yet other than 2035 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,600 >> don't be caught unawares come October 2036 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,000 1st when that comes into play. That's 2037 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,400 what they've been pushing in my opinion. 2038 01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,960 >> Great. Thank you. 2039 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,360 >> All right. Thank you. 2040 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,679 All right. It is 5 o'clock and before we 2041 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:16,159 go to the next item, I I would like us 2042 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:18,719 to be able to go I think dinner's ready. 2043 01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:21,760 Just a couple of things. Um you'll see 2044 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,639 council that your the seat assignments 2045 01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:26,480 have changed 2046 01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,199 um in the in the council chambers. I use 2047 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,199 the highly technical random number 2048 01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,960 generator because that to do that except 2049 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,639 council member Lamson has to sit next to 2050 01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:38,320 me because he's the mayor pro tam. So 2051 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,800 you we have no but where you're sitting 2052 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,640 is where the computer gods put you 2053 01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,080 [laughter] for this six months [gasps] 2054 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,000 and and so um just let you know that and 2055 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,840 then I've asked council member Mulestein 2056 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,440 if she would offer a blessing on the 2057 01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,400 food. 2058 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,159 Our dear heavenly father, we're grateful 2059 01:27:58,159 --> 01:27:59,440 for the opportunity we have to meet 2060 01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,320 together city council and staff to 2061 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,760 discuss the needs of city bless us 2062 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,199 spirit with us. Please bless us food. 2063 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:09,360 Help it to give us strength and energy 2064 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:10,880 to 2065 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,159 have clear minds as we continue our 2066 01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,760 meeting 2067 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,960 things in the name of Jesus Christ. 2068 01:28:16,960 --> 01:39:14,390 Amen. 2069 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:19,600 item for in our in this section. 2070 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,719 It's a presentation on property tax 2071 01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:24,320 calculator. 2072 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,800 Um Jessica Jones our strategy and 2073 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,760 innovation director and Pete Wiling 2074 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,600 director 2075 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,870 minutes. 2076 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,239 » Thank you Mayor. So come before you and 2077 01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,080 uh share some of the resources that 2078 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:43,679 we've been on to help community and our 2079 01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:46,239 employees understand the proposal that's 2080 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,440 before you for the project tax uh at the 2081 01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:51,600 end of August. And so the way we've 2082 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,199 structured the website, it's basically 2083 01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:54,800 if you're interested in just an elevator 2084 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,480 pitch, you can get that. If you want the 2085 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,080 five minute version, you can get that. 2086 01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,080 If you want to get down into the all the 2087 01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,520 resources, that as well. So at the very 2088 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,119 surface level, basically what we're 2089 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,920 saying is four quarters, two cops, one 2090 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,280 saber forum or one safer. And so if 2091 01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:12,800 people are contacting you, if they're 2092 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,639 having questions about this, you can 2093 01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:17,119 point them to this website and URL is 2094 01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:19,360 to.govt. 2095 01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,920 TNT standing for truth and taxation. And 2096 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,280 that's what this whole website is kind 2097 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,600 of built uh to do is follow that process 2098 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,679 that we've been going through all these 2099 01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:30,400 meetings showing 2100 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,280 you state law. You have to be completely 2101 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,360 transparent transparent when you're 2102 01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,679 considering property tax. 2103 01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:39,169 And so the website 2104 01:40:39,169 --> 01:40:39,280 >> [clears throat] 2105 01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,159 >> u is just built out simply at first and 2106 01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:43,600 then as I mentioned gets into more 2107 01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,159 detail. So answers some of the basic 2108 01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,400 questions people tell them the context 2109 01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,880 and the background gives them the quick 2110 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,520 points here um that if people just 2111 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,280 needed a quick fiveminute version of 2112 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,400 everything that we've been talking about 2113 01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,880 for the last month uh we can do that 2114 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,800 also built out with the help of some of 2115 01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,719 our IT staff um this calculator tool 2116 01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:06,800 where you can actually go in put in your 2117 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,040 market value your assessed market value 2118 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,679 and it will break down your tax bill and 2119 01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:12,800 that's what Jennica is going to talk 2120 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,000 about and then we can look a little bit 2121 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:14,719 deeper 2122 01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:17,360 in the website if you're interested. 2123 01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:21,199 >> Okay. So, the uh the goal is we've tried 2124 01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:22,719 to keep it simple. We don't want people 2125 01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:24,880 to have to go and look for a lot of 2126 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,440 information, but we do want them to see, 2127 01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:28,880 you know, this website and everything 2128 01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,880 we've structured has been around the 2129 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,480 average. What's the impact on the 2130 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,320 average ORM homeowner? What's the total 2131 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,239 impact? But when it comes down to it, 2132 01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:37,600 residents want to know how is this going 2133 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,280 to affect me based on my property value? 2134 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,320 Um, so this is meant to help them see 2135 01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,920 where their property tax dollars go and 2136 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,840 then what's the impact of the proposed 2137 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,400 orum increase on their specific property 2138 01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,199 value. So we'll start with the average 2139 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:55,840 market value in ORM. We'll slide over 2140 01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,000 here cuz I can't see. Uh, so it kind of 2141 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,320 puts this here the 520,000 that's the 2142 01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,960 average property market assessed value 2143 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,199 in new or in Warm City County for 2026. 2144 01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:10,639 But obviously they can tailor that to 2145 01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:12,159 whatever they want. If they want to look 2146 01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:14,080 up their specific property, we link them 2147 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:15,679 to the Google County website where they 2148 01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:17,920 can input their address and search for 2149 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,000 their actual property value. They can 2150 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,080 also use Zillow as an estimate. Won't be 2151 01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,400 completely accurate, but they their 2152 01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,159 value is actually the exact average 2153 01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:28,400 $520,000. 2154 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,159 So the first thing it will do is show 2155 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:32,239 them the market value of their home and 2156 01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:35,760 then 45% residential exemption for Utah. 2157 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,840 So taxable value of their home is just 2158 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,400 this 55%. So once they click this 2159 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,880 button, uh we'll kind of come back to 2160 01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,960 this cuz this is the correct of this 2161 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,040 rule showing them how it affects their 2162 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,119 property taxes. But down here, it kind 2163 01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:51,520 of outlines how their property tax bill 2164 01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,560 is structured. Um for these other 2165 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,360 entities, I will note that we are using 2166 01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,840 their 2025 rates. We don't have access 2167 01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,080 to their 2026 rates broken down this 2168 01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,320 way. And we wanted this to really focus 2169 01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,480 on the impact of the city tax increase. 2170 01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,960 We don't want to factor in any changes 2171 01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,480 that they're considering that just 2172 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:11,840 muddies the waters. We want them to 2173 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,080 focus on, you know, what's the warm 2174 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,480 impact to my bill. So you highlight 2175 01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,119 here, this is how broken down. So this 2176 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:21,840 is our 2026 rate. If we our certified 2177 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,440 rate, if we don't do an increase would 2178 01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:26,159 be this. 0590. 2179 01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,920 This is how much they would pay in city 2180 01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,560 property tax for that line item versus 2181 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,199 what's the proposed increase 2182 01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:36,400 631 seems to be $180 in this scenario. 2183 01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,159 And then the bond is separate and that 2184 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:40,239 remains the same in both scenarios. So 2185 01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:41,840 there's also these info boxes that pop 2186 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,480 up and kind of highlight different 2187 01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:46,480 things like why why is this general now 2188 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:50,639 zero and something. So just again more 2189 01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:53,280 education about what is being proposed 2190 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:54,719 uh the new line item that would appear 2191 01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:56,000 on their notice that they'll be sent 2192 01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,520 out. So for the schools, the county and 2193 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,119 special districts those amounts will 2194 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,040 remain the same in both scenarios. So 2195 01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,400 really they'll see the total property 2196 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,080 tax 2273 estimate 2197 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,480 without the increase and then 2285 with 2198 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:12,880 the increase. Again the actual amounts 2199 01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,560 will likely be different depends on what 2200 01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,920 these these final values end up being. 2201 01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:23,280 um is accurate is the forum impact. So, 2202 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,199 you know, without the increase, I would 2203 01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,600 pay $212 total to the city and that 2204 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,697 covers the uh public safety and the bond 2205 01:44:31,697 --> 01:44:33,280 [clears throat] or the general and the 2206 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,199 bond in that case. And then with the 2207 01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:36,880 increase, I've paid 2.3. These are 2208 01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,159 rounded amounts. So, that's why it's 2209 01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:39,920 slightly different. And then break it 2210 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,159 down for annual and monthly so they can 2211 01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:44,080 see, you know, okay, this is less than a 2212 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,080 dollar a month for me. And then at the 2213 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,760 bottom here, we've also broken it down 2214 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,080 to show them where is this money 2215 01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:54,560 actually going. So they're paying $180 2216 01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,719 into this line item for the public 2217 01:44:56,719 --> 01:44:59,520 safety fund in this scenario. So where's 2218 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,920 that going? $104 is going to the police 2219 01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,000 department. $77 is going to the fire 2220 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,679 department. And then breaking it down 2221 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,360 for personnel, operations, and capital 2222 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,520 to align with our budget and kind of see 2223 01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:09,679 like 2224 01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:14,310 >> I think you got those numbers back. 2225 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,360 numbers don't lie. 2226 01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,320 >> Maybe next year. 2227 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,560 >> So they can hover over and see like 2228 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,560 what's included in this. So for fire, 2229 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,360 there's the 104 sworn firefighters. It 2230 01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,360 covers their wages benefit. So they can 2231 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,199 see exactly where their money is going 2232 01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,280 and hopefully be able to see and feel 2233 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,119 the impact of that. Okay. Yeah, I'm 2234 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:40,159 paying $180. I know exactly where it's 2235 01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:43,520 going and why. So, um, and again, I I'll 2236 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,600 just plug in like say maybe my property 2237 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,080 is worth $800,000 2238 01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,960 and so, 2239 01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,040 uh, I'm going to have to re recalulate. 2240 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,960 So, for a property of that value, their 2241 01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,520 impact would be about $18 or $150 a 2242 01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,320 month. So, really, it's not a complex 2243 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:01,920 thing. We want it to be simple to 2244 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:03,760 understand and feedback. If there's 2245 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,520 things that you feel are missing or have 2246 01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,360 questions about, 2247 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,960 make adjustments to this real 2248 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,040 First of all, I think this is fabulous. 2249 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:14,800 Oh, great. And I think our residents 2250 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,560 will appreciate it. And maybe you showed 2251 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,560 this. Is there a place that we could at 2252 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,480 least 2253 01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,560 representation of what percent or taxes 2254 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,320 are relative to their total? 2255 01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:25,520 >> Yeah, we don't have it in a chart 2256 01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,119 format. The only thing we have right now 2257 01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:30,880 is like in 2025 about 9.5% 2258 01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,960 to the city, but we could definitely add 2259 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,239 that if that's something that would be 2260 01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:36,400 valuable like whether it's a chart or 2261 01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,800 even percentage wise. Yeah, 2262 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,000 >> I think it'd be cool for them to just 2263 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,000 quickly see, oh, this is like, you know, 2264 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,199 very pretty small percentage of the 2265 01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:44,239 overall size. 2266 01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:45,280 >> Yeah, and that's what we try to 2267 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,760 emphasize both on the website and here. 2268 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:52,000 Um, that this this increase only affects 2269 01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,600 the city portion. So, we're not talking 2270 01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,239 about an increase of this 7% to your 2271 01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:58,320 entire property tax bill. It's only to 2272 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,040 that or that 9.5% 2273 01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:06,070 of your property tax bill. 2274 01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,679 » Yeah, I support that, too. I like that 2275 01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:11,270 idea. 2276 01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,639 » If I could mention one thing. 2277 01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:14,159 >> Yes. 2278 01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:15,920 >> Not to name any cities out there, but 2279 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,239 there is once it's proposing an increase 2280 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,800 that's larger than 2281 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:28,709 >> right now. 2282 01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:33,430 Someone in this room may want to move. 2283 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,560 » Coming in. 2284 01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,560 >> When does this go? Is this is this live 2285 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:36,880 now? 2286 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:38,239 >> This is available. We haven't pushed it 2287 01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:39,679 out because we wanted to show it to you 2288 01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:42,000 first. Maintain your feedback um before 2289 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,600 we start advertising that this is a 2290 01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,679 resource for people. 2291 01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:46,960 >> We want it to be a tool that you can use 2292 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:50,239 as you have questions from residents um 2293 01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:52,400 >> whoever. 2294 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,080 >> Well, we have some videos. 2295 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,199 >> Yeah. And we can jump back into the 2296 01:47:57,199 --> 01:47:58,080 website and I'll show you some of the 2297 01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:59,199 other stuff we've worked on. 2298 01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:00,480 >> Yeah. One thing I do want to mention 2299 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:03,840 here with this, we uh used our in-house 2300 01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,560 developers that created my created this 2301 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,639 from the ground up. 2302 01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:11,360 >> And so I I think that this also shows 2303 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,360 interesting why we do in-house 2304 01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,760 developing. So we educate the city. 2305 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,239 >> We sell it to other cities that are 2306 01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:18,800 happy. 2307 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,880 >> So you know actually yeah my intern had 2308 01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,040 found an example of another city that 2309 01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,480 had a software and it's like a platform 2310 01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:25,920 that this isn't what they advertise that 2311 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,960 they do and we're like we can do that. 2312 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,960 Why not? And it's so they're able to 2313 01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,360 turn it around really quickly to our 2314 01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,560 development team. 2315 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,159 >> Um 2316 01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:39,600 maybe you already mentioned this, but 2317 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,639 would it be possible to have this inter 2318 01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:48,870 meeting as part of the presentation? 2319 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:53,119 » I don't know. Like 2320 01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,840 >> I just like I I like the way that it's 2321 01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,239 so easy to understand. 2322 01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,639 That's a clear picture. I don't want to 2323 01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:03,280 get anyone into water. If we not 2324 01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:06,560 supposed to do that, they would do mine. 2325 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:15,350 >> Okay. Like they were designed. 2326 01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,040 » Any other comments on the on the tool 2327 01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,600 itself, the calculator? 2328 01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:24,629 >> Very cool. Great. 2329 01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:26,880 » Uh Pete, I I love it. I think it's it's 2330 01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,320 an awesome tool. Uh, one thing that I do 2331 01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:31,840 think is very helpful for people to 2332 01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,159 understand and I don't know if it makes 2333 01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:36,800 sense to put it in or adjacent to the 2334 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,560 calculator, but just u how our overall 2335 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,199 tax burden compares to uh other cities 2336 01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:45,119 that they're familiar with. I think 2337 01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:47,360 >> that helps them understand how how lean 2338 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:48,880 and mean we are. 2339 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,159 >> You should mention that. I'm glad you 2340 01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:55,760 mentioned that because right here in the quick facts uh we have a little 2341 01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:57,040 chart and you've seen this in the budget 2342 01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,040 book before but it shows you how we 2343 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,840 compare to cities other cities in close 2344 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,239 by cities you can see the average is at 2345 01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:08,320 14 or 14% or I'm down here and that does 2346 01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:09,280 include 2347 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,440 >> that's with our that's our proposed 2348 01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,360 increase and this is other cities 2349 01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,639 existing 2025 rates and so we know that 2350 01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:17,920 several of them are considering 2351 01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,000 increases as well. Well, we know that 2352 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,679 it's not going to remain at point 2353 01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:25,199 that clarifies that point that this is 2354 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:26,000 our 2355 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,239 >> for sure like when will we cities? 2356 01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:31,440 >> I mean, we you can we can get their rate 2357 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:33,600 proposal. We just obviously they have 2358 01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,280 the same timeline as us as far as when 2359 01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:40,470 they 2360 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,719 » go. 2361 01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:44,000 Well, and something we could add to 2362 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:45,840 this, you have it I have it on another 2363 01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,560 chart that we in our citizens budget, 2364 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,119 but like what does that mean annually? 2365 01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:53,119 So, like if you have the same this value 2366 01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:55,440 of home in this city, what's that uh 2367 01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:57,040 burden look like? Because that helps 2368 01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,600 them too. Like, okay, this rate doesn't 2369 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:03,440 mean a lot, but if we add um if I'm 2370 01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,440 looking at a $520,000 home, what does 2371 01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:06,880 that mean that I'm paying in vineyards 2372 01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,199 compared to or 2373 01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:09,840 something? 2374 01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,440 >> So, yeah, even 2375 01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:12,880 >> Exactly. I'm giving you more. That's 2376 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,000 right. I mean, it's even with the 2377 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,840 property tax increase that's proposed, 2378 01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:20,560 we it'll be tight for last. Um, 2379 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,320 >> we have that there in the quick facts. 2380 01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,239 Uh, we talked about ORM's track record. 2381 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:25,920 You know, in the last 48 years, there's 2382 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,080 only been one property tax increase and 2383 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,679 I think the last time we did it was 2384 01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:33,280 quarters for each house. 2385 01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,679 The idea was the 2012 one. 2386 01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:51,750 >> Well, I don't remember. EL. 2387 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,760 » Um, so yeah, so we we kind of put that 2388 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,440 in there. We explain a little bit about 2389 01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:58,000 the uh dedicated public safety fund. If 2390 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,080 that ends up going through, then people 2391 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,320 can learn about that. Um, and then we 2392 01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:03,440 talk about the scope and the 2393 01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:04,880 sustainability, why we're doing it. 2394 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,280 There's some just notices about the tax 2395 01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:08,639 notice that you may receive that you get 2396 01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:10,639 100% increase. That kind of explains 2397 01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:12,400 that it's not your taxes aren't going up 2398 01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,320 100%. It's just that this fund is being 2399 01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,400 funded for the first time. Therefore, 2400 01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,159 that's how it's being noted. 2401 01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:20,400 >> That needs to be 2402 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,840 unless you're going 2403 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,159 >> here. We just have a a set of notices 2404 01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:28,159 and uh resources. So, letting people 2405 01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:30,239 know that the final, you know, the 2406 01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:32,159 decision will be made on August 27th at 2407 01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:34,480 6 PM part of our truth and taxation 2408 01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:36,080 public hearing. We have the legal 2409 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,239 notices that were sent out. Uh people 2410 01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:40,880 can comment publicly in public form and 2411 01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,880 then based on the law, they'll also have 2412 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:47,199 the chance to comment virtually on that 2413 01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:48,960 uh August 27th meeting, which is 2414 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,159 something we've never had before. So, 2415 01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:51,760 this will be this will be interesting, 2416 01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,520 but that's part of the new law. We have 2417 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:55,440 all the financial documents that are 2418 01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:56,719 related to this decision. We have the 2419 01:52:56,719 --> 01:52:58,560 sustainability plan, the interim 2420 01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,719 budgets. So people, these are for people 2421 01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:03,040 who want to really pay into it. Here's 2422 01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,000 the property tax calculator again linked 2423 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,679 uh for people. And then uh you've 2424 01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:12,080 probably seen these videos, but the the 2425 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,000 league has put together series of eight 2426 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,840 or nine videos that really explain how 2427 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,159 Utah property taxes work. And this is 2428 01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:19,520 maybe one of the biggest challenges we 2429 01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,920 face with property tax education is it's 2430 01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:23,360 different in every other state. Utah is 2431 01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,280 very unique in the way that they do it 2432 01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,040 with the exemption and then, you know, 2433 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,239 cities don't get any more money based on 2434 01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:32,560 increasing valuations. You know, it's 2435 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,400 just kind of capped at whatever the, you 2436 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,560 know, the amount is. Um, and so that's 2437 01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,400 just not intuitive to people, you know, 2438 01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:43,199 who maybe have experience with other states. Um, so from that point, so 2439 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:44,400 these this is all like the quick stuff 2440 01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:45,840 that people can click on. 2441 01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:46,800 >> Hey, can I make a comment? 2442 01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:47,440 >> Yes, please do. 2443 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:52,000 >> So, let's see. public comment form 2444 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,599 >> participate in the hearing virtually. 2445 01:53:53,599 --> 01:53:55,520 Can we have a link that gives a little 2446 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,679 more information and opportunity for 2447 01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:58,960 them to do that? 2448 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,320 >> Yeah. So, what this will Yeah. So, what 2449 01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:01,840 we'll do is pull it off of here, put it 2450 01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:03,040 in here, and then they'll be able to 2451 01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,239 essentially enter the queue. 2452 01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:06,239 >> Yeah. Just kind of make it easier. Okay. 2453 01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,080 >> I'll do that. 2454 01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,480 >> Um, and then from this point, you just 2455 01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:12,960 start talking about the reasons why we 2456 01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,199 feel like we have to do this. And one of 2457 01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:16,800 the first things that we we put in here 2458 01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,199 is just how up to this point over the 48 2459 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,520 years forum has really done everything 2460 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,000 we we feel like we can do to stretch the 2461 01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,159 money that we have. And you know, so 2462 01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:27,920 once again, it references the one 2463 01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:31,119 property tax uh increase since 1978. We 2464 01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,040 did the efficiency study a few years 2465 01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,280 back. Uh the department restructurings 2466 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,920 to save, you know, the million dollars. 2467 01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:39,760 This kind of goes back to what we were 2468 01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,679 talking about earlier, how even when you 2469 01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:43,840 take the fees and the taxes and add them 2470 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,480 all together, Lauram is right at the 2471 01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,960 bottom of what it costs to live in, you 2472 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,400 know, this area. Um, and then shout out 2473 01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,119 to Jennica's team, you know, 17 almost 2474 01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:58,159 $18 million in grants since 2023. Just 2475 01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:00,000 showing people that, you know, asking 2476 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,080 for a tax increase or property tax 2477 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,800 increase is not the default. We've we've 2478 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:05,920 gone through all these different things 2479 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,960 to try to not do this, but we only asked 2480 01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:10,719 because we feel like it's f it's finally 2481 01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:12,560 necessary. 2482 01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,000 The next point is uh how public safety 2483 01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,639 costs have been impacted by inflation. 2484 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:20,320 And these are just two data points that 2485 01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:21,920 we've pulled. How you know this is what 2486 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:25,199 it costs to do a patrol vehicle in 2016. 2487 01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:27,280 Then this is what it costs to do it now. 2488 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,880 This one is the most shocking to me 2489 01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,440 where you know this is just in 2020, you 2490 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:33,679 know, five six years ago. How much the 2491 01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:35,760 engine cost? This is how much it cost. 2492 01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,119 You know, it's most recent one that we 2493 01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:37,920 ordered. 2494 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:41,750 >> Just a helicopter. 2495 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:52,149 » Already checked. 2496 01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:56,159 » And the vehicles are the big lift. 2497 01:55:56,159 --> 01:55:58,239 >> Can I just say this is apples to apples. 2498 01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,239 So this isn't a small fire engine 2499 01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:04,400 compared to a ladder truck. is tiller 2500 01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:05,760 >> cost 2501 01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:07,840 >> and and I think the residents will 2502 01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:08,960 understand this because we've all felt 2503 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:10,880 they 2504 01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:12,239 everything is so much more expensive 2505 01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:16,000 than it was just years ago. Um and then 2506 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,080 this is the third point is you know ORM 2507 01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:21,440 has grown in different ways are are the 2508 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:22,800 people that sleep here that hasn't 2509 01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:24,320 increased that much over the last 10 2510 01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,040 years maybe 1% a year or something but 2511 01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,440 the daily percentage the daytime 2512 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,840 population of ORM is off the charts 2513 01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,760 higher than it's ever been uh between 2514 01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:35,440 the UVU students and all the visitors 2515 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,440 that come here for shopping and working 2516 01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:40,639 and sports and uh you know whatever else 2517 01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:44,800 what come to ORM for that population is 2518 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,440 taken off in the last several years. Uh 2519 01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:49,520 we estimate there's about 42 million 2520 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,840 visitors to ORM. That's not unique 2521 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:52,960 visitors, but people who don't live in 2522 01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,920 ORM, there's 42 million trips to ORM 2523 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:58,320 every single year. U you know half of 2524 01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,026 them are probably at the farmers market 2525 01:57:01,026 --> 01:57:04,790 [laughter] 2526 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:07,119 » but that you know that population we 2527 01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:09,440 also need a help police side too, right 2528 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,119 Chief? You know, you'll see this this 2529 01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:14,080 video here we have with um is it 2530 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,480 Lieutenant Lieutenant Fent? Um you'll 2531 01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,920 see this in the next meeting, but he 2532 01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:21,040 basically explains Ormfest and all the 2533 01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:23,199 effort and time and resources that go 2534 01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:26,560 into making a safe event happen. And you 2535 01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:27,760 know, our events have gotten more 2536 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,320 popular the last several years. And you 2537 01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,800 know, an extra police presence is uh 2538 01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,960 just part of the cost really of making 2539 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:36,800 those events great and safe for 2540 01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,280 everybody. And then, you know, we have 2541 01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:40,960 maybe a dozen uh frequently asked 2542 01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:42,000 questions, things that people have 2543 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,800 already asked, both parts, answer in a 2544 01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,876 succinct way. You've probably 2545 01:57:46,876 --> 01:57:47,920 [clears throat] gotten emails, 2546 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,239 questions, phone calls about it. And so, 2547 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:51,360 we've tried to take everything we've 2548 01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:52,719 heard thus far and some of the other 2549 01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:53,840 things that we haven't heard, but we 2550 01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:56,560 intend or we anticipate we will hear uh 2551 01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,280 and answer those through here. And so, 2552 01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:01,840 that [snorts] is kind of the website in 2553 01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:04,719 a nutshell as it stands. any feedback on 2554 01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:06,719 where we're at, the information that's 2555 01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:08,400 available, 2556 01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:12,470 anything like that. 2557 01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,880 » So, awesome. When can we share it? 2558 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:16,320 >> If everyone's good with where it stands, 2559 01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,560 we can share it now. Um, so what we'll 2560 01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:20,560 do is build our not [clears throat] our 2561 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,119 campaign, but like ourformational 2562 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,119 informationational campaign off of this. 2563 01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:26,800 Um, so if if we like where this is at, 2564 01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,119 then we can start doing smaller pieces 2565 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,880 educating people maybe on social media 2566 01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:32,726 or in the newsletter. I believe 2567 01:58:32,726 --> 01:58:35,350 [clears throat] 2568 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:36,480 » Carol looks good. 2569 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,400 >> Yeah, feeling good. 2570 01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:40,587 >> Thank you. 2571 01:58:40,587 --> 01:58:41,760 [clears throat] She's stretch. 2572 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:42,960 >> Do you stretch? 2573 01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:44,560 >> No. How long is her length? She's a 2574 01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:52,790 sergeant now, I guess, though. 2575 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,320 » All right. Any other questions, 2576 01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,000 comments? Council, 2577 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:57,199 >> thank you for doing that. 2578 01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:57,840 >> Thank you. 2579 01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,920 >> That's very important. And as you hear 2580 01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:01,119 from people, just let us know because 2581 01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:03,760 this is so easy to update the questions 2582 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:04,960 that haven't been answered. We'd love to 2583 01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:08,080 do the research and figure it out. 2584 01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:12,560 >> For you guys, because for me 2585 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,800 again, some of the feedback that you 2586 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,480 andor residents may have is just to 2587 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,880 highlight things differently 2588 01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:24,480 or or turn uh words into visuals. 2589 01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,080 >> So, we're just we're open to all of 2590 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:27,360 that. 2591 01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:28,480 What what kind of things have you been 2592 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:29,840 hearing? I mean, I've seen I've talked 2593 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,280 to people. I've seen what's on social 2594 01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,280 media. What are people saying to you 2595 01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:34,880 guys? 2596 01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,440 >> Uh why why 2597 01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:39,199 thing and it's and it's and the four 2598 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:41,760 quarters to cops and an easy 2599 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:43,360 explanation. 2600 01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,119 >> I'm getting the why because it's not a 2601 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:47,520 lot. It's $450,000. They say, "Can't you 2602 01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:48,639 find that somewhere else?" 2603 01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:50,639 >> Yeah. I'm sorry I interrupted you. I 2604 01:59:50,639 --> 01:59:52,960 thought you were talking. All 2605 01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,679 I just I love the simple elegant pitch 2606 01:59:55,679 --> 01:59:58,159 of this is why and this is where it's 2607 01:59:58,159 --> 02:00:01,760 going and I have not had anyone to this 2608 02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:03,360 point 2609 02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,800 express any concern with that. 2610 02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:07,920 the people I've talked to, it's been 2611 02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:09,840 like, you know, they're they're quite 2612 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:11,360 alarmed at first, but then as you 2613 02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,760 explain it, you know, everyone's been 2614 02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:21,270 about it. 2615 02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:22,800 All right. 2616 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:24,880 Thank you. 2617 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,679 All right. The next item we have from 2618 02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:29,920 the city council report. And so, Council 2619 02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,080 Member Kilpac, 2620 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:32,880 you're up. 2621 02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,040 >> Thank you. 2622 02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,520 Well, it's it's always a pleasure to uh 2623 02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:40,320 participate in all of the events and the 2624 02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:41,520 things that happen within the city of 2625 02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,199 ORM. This year, I've been assigned to 2626 02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:48,400 work with the chief and those are 2627 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,080 reports you've seen. We have that 2628 02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:55,199 3,000,000 extra put into there 2629 02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:59,440 capital funds that I sit on that uh 2630 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,840 committee to help make sure those funds 2631 02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,520 go where they go and be up to speed to 2632 02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,760 represent all of the 2633 02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:10,239 I also um 2634 02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:12,719 I'm on the board of directors of the 2635 02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:16,390 scholarship project 2636 02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,880 be involved with those uh exciting 2637 02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:26,310 wonderful talented 2638 02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,520 wonderful scholarship 2639 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,440 that's uh come and now that's over with 2640 02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:34,159 the next few months you know the uh 2641 02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,783 neighborhood advisory commission it's 2642 02:01:36,783 --> 02:01:39,199 [clears throat] they move every other 2643 02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:43,840 month and uh this consists of the nine 2644 02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,480 districts within the city 2645 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,360 and there two members so there's 2646 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:50,880 individuals that sit on that commission. 2647 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:52,800 There's uh right now we're trying to 2648 02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,840 fill three vacancies. 2649 02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:59,910 So we'll be 2650 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,599 she wishes with all of us. I'm not sure 2651 02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:05,119 whether that and then uh I serve on the 2652 02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:09,520 uh youth council with uh council 2653 02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:11,119 McMillstein 2654 02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,599 and also uh and that's we're just 2655 02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:15,119 gearing up again now for the next school 2656 02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:18,639 year that finished off last 2657 02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:20,159 spring and now we're kicking it off 2658 02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:22,480 again and then we have been involved 2659 02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,800 with the UVU business resource center 2660 02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,040 and helping with that as we integrate 2661 02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:29,520 and interface with the the resource 2662 02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,400 center to help businesses flourish. 2663 02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,480 Those are the the main areas that I 2664 02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:39,520 focus on with my assignments. Um, 2665 02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:41,280 probably be the one that has the most 2666 02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,840 impact lately has been the neighborhood 2667 02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:46,480 commission with all of the changes with 2668 02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:49,040 the STRS 2669 02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:50,960 neighborhood enforcement team, the NIT 2670 02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,679 team. We've had several presentations 2671 02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:57,119 there. We also have uh been involved in 2672 02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,599 initiatives 2673 02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:01,840 being beautified through 2674 02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:05,119 beautifification awards, 2675 02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:06,560 other events such as that and then 2676 02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:10,320 heavily involved as we all were 2677 02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:15,040 in participated in this assistance 2678 02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:16,560 neighborhoods. 2679 02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,480 Just standing on the shoulders of those 2680 02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,880 this commission in the past. We're 2681 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:22,639 striving to just meet the needs of these 2682 02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:29,910 citizens that have a resource for them. 2683 02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:31,840 » Any questions? 2684 02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:33,280 >> You're all familiar with this as you've 2685 02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:34,239 done. 2686 02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:37,199 >> I met the new BRC business resource 2687 02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:39,440 center director today. Yes. The orange 2688 02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:41,599 business alliance. 2689 02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:44,400 They got some exciting things planned as 2690 02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,719 far as they go forward in addition to 2691 02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:48,960 add some programming to what they're 2692 02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,360 doing right now. 2693 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:52,080 Thank you. 2694 02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:56,320 >> Thank you. Appreciate your your report. 2695 02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:57,760 >> All right, council. Our agenda this 2696 02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,560 evening is 2697 02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,080 I'm not going to jinx or anything. I 2698 02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:04,719 just It's here. We have it here. And we 2699 02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,599 got three uh or five items. Do we know 2700 02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:10,239 who's doing the u invocation 2701 02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:11,520 inspirational thought? 2702 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,719 >> So Brad Sorson and Michelle Sornson. 2703 02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:17,199 is one of the members 2704 02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:19,840 of our new school district. 2705 02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:20,960 >> Hey, 2706 02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,520 >> Michelle and Brad. 2707 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:27,440 >> Hey, great. Then we have 2708 02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:29,119 um report items. It looks like they're 2709 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:33,119 all related to Ormfest or events on that 2710 02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:35,520 personal appearances. And then our 2711 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:38,159 consent item this evening is to approve 2712 02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:40,080 meeting minutes 2713 02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,159 and three different sets of minutes 2714 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:44,719 there from Monday June. 2715 02:04:44,719 --> 02:04:46,960 You have a couple of scheduled items 2716 02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,920 both u planning related and public both 2717 02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,080 public hearings. One amending the 2718 02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:55,440 appendix o of the or city code by 2719 02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,199 altering an existing concept plan for 2720 02:04:57,199 --> 02:05:00,400 the PD53 zone 2721 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,320 1890 north states the old Allen's 2722 02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:06,000 grocery store there. And then the other 2723 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:10,000 public hearing is to change the zone of 2724 02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,719 property, the city owned property at 360 2725 02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:15,920 West, 1500 South from public facilities 2726 02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:18,000 to R12. 2727 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,560 And Teresa is handing out we've received 2728 02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:24,719 some emails from people who are not able 2729 02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:27,280 to attend the meeting 2730 02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:28,320 and 2731 02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:29,119 >> threw themselves. 2732 02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:31,040 >> They they wanted to make sure that we 2733 02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,000 had copies of their their comments are. 2734 02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,960 And so you should be receiving those. 2735 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:38,400 Teresa is passing those around right 2736 02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:39,360 now. 2737 02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:42,080 >> So we'll have that public hearing. 2738 02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:42,639 >> Yes, 2739 02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:46,159 >> it's being reszone to R8 2740 02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:50,320 >> from 12 Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. 2741 02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:52,800 Public facilities and R12 to R8. Thank 2742 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:56,159 you. Yes. Six acres. We're going to want 2743 02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:58,400 all of it. Um the request is to have it 2744 02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,400 all go to R8. Thank you. Thank you for 2745 02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,960 clarifying that. 2746 02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:05,840 Then we have our financial items. Um 2747 02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,719 it's in the packet turn the time over to 2748 02:06:08,719 --> 02:06:11,199 Bren for city manager items. And then we 2749 02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:14,800 do have a closed door session after. And 2750 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,960 so at that point at the end of the 2751 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:19,199 meeting and I would need a motion to 2752 02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:21,360 adjourn from our regular council meeting 2753 02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:24,400 and recon to the close floor session to 2754 02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,320 discuss pending or reasonably imminent 2755 02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:27,760 litigation, the character or 2756 02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:29,360 professional competence of an individual 2757 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:30,800 or the purchase or lease of real 2758 02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,679 property. So that is our agenda this 2759 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:37,920 evening. Questions at this point. 2760 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,520 All right. 2761 02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:44,560 Well, you all got 19 minutes to 2762 02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:48,229 do something. [laughter] 2763 02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:51,830 » We need a motion. 2764 02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:52,880 » Yeah. Usually. 2765 02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,560 >> Oh, okay. 2766 02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:55,840 >> So, we'll make a motion. We're going to 2767 02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:58,079 be stuck here till 2768 02:06:58,079 --> 02:06:58,719 >> second. 2769 02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:03,199 >> Motion to second. I 2770 02:07:03,199 --> 02:13:47,589 there you make it 2771 02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:49,040 Quinn, we've switched rooms. Can you 2772 02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:54,229 hear us, Quinn? 2773 02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:56,480 » I can hear you. Thank you. 2774 02:13:56,480 --> 02:26:59,750 >> Okay, excellent. We've got connection. 2775 02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,800 evening to um the ORM city council 2776 02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:05,600 meeting 6 o'clock and we'll go ahead and 2777 02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:09,120 call the meeting to order. Um we have 2778 02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:11,520 our invocation inspirational thought 2779 02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:14,240 will be given by Brad Sorenson and our 2780 02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:15,920 pledge of allegiance will be led by 2781 02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:19,040 Michelle Sorenson who is a member of the 2782 02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:28,389 Tempenogus School District board. 2783 02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:29,840 Our Father in heaven, we are so grateful 2784 02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:31,920 to be gathered here this evening. We are 2785 02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,920 thankful for this country and the 2786 02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:35,520 freedoms that it offers us and the 2787 02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,160 opportunity we have to celebrate those 2788 02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,160 especially at this time of year. We're 2789 02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:42,479 thankful for those who have volunteered 2790 02:27:42,479 --> 02:27:45,359 to serve and to lead in our community. 2791 02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:47,280 We're grateful especially for our first 2792 02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:49,120 responders and pray that they might be 2793 02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:50,800 watched over and protected in their 2794 02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:52,319 efforts. 2795 02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:53,760 Father, we pray that thy spirit might 2796 02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:56,479 accompany us this evening that uh that 2797 02:27:56,479 --> 02:27:58,560 this council might be blessed with 2798 02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,600 wisdom and integrity and discernment 2799 02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:03,840 uh as they consider the matters before 2800 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:06,560 them this evening. 2801 02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:08,720 We're grateful for all that we have. We 2802 02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:10,720 pray for thy blessings on our community 2803 02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:12,960 and all those who reside here. And these 2804 02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,880 things we ask in the name of thy son 2805 02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:20,630 Jesus Christ. Amen. 2806 02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:26,550 Please stand. 2807 02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:30,080 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 2808 02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:33,120 United States of America and to the 2809 02:28:33,120 --> 02:28:36,720 republic for which it stands, one nation 2810 02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:40,319 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 2811 02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:49,510 justice for all. 2812 02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:53,280 right. Thank you for for the prayer 2813 02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,640 and for the pledge of allegiance. 2814 02:28:56,640 --> 02:28:58,399 We have three items under the mayor's 2815 02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:01,200 report. Next items will be a 2816 02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:03,760 presentation on the ORMFest followup and 2817 02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:04,960 I'll turn the time over to Kenise 2818 02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:25,030 Whitaker, our events manager. 2819 02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:29,760 I also have Sydney Wong Bailey with me 2820 02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:32,960 as well as Cammy Burgess from our events 2821 02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:34,479 commission. 2822 02:29:34,479 --> 02:29:37,040 We're excited to be able to present to 2823 02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:39,520 you on ORMFest and feel really grateful 2824 02:29:39,520 --> 02:29:41,840 for all of the time and effort that was 2825 02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:44,880 put in by our events commission as well 2826 02:29:44,880 --> 02:29:47,920 as ORM staff to be able to pull off a 2827 02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,479 really successful and fun Ormfest this 2828 02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,000 year. 2829 02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:53,840 As you know, we've been celebrating 2830 02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:57,120 America 250 this year, and our Orumfest 2831 02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:00,640 was laced with fun activities 2832 02:30:00,640 --> 02:30:03,040 culminating this celebration of America 2833 02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:09,750 250. 2834 02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:13,120 We surveyed residents of ORM and these 2835 02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:15,920 are the results from the survey of the 2836 02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:17,920 favorite activities and ones that we 2837 02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:20,720 should repeat in the future. And you 2838 02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,520 guys can see they're the the top 10 in 2839 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:26,630 order. 2840 02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:29,840 Okay. Fireworks number one, grand parade 2841 02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:32,479 number two, drone show, three, food and 2842 02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:35,520 vendors four, animal exhibits, five 2843 02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:37,760 boutique, six, carnival, seven, 2844 02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:40,160 concerts, eight, children's crafts, and 2845 02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:47,110 then number 10 at competitions. 2846 02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:49,120 Okay, so we just wanted to highlight a 2847 02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:51,040 couple of the events at Warmfest. Not 2848 02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:53,040 everything because there's there's a 2849 02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:55,200 lot, but we'll start with the car show, 2850 02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:57,200 which is always our kickoff event. This 2851 02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:00,880 was rated 4.75 stars. That is from the 2852 02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:04,160 ORMFest survey. So, you know, it was out 2853 02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:06,479 of five, too, not out [laughter] of 10. 2854 02:31:06,479 --> 02:31:09,439 Um, and we'll, you know, we're grateful 2855 02:31:09,439 --> 02:31:11,920 for the input of everybody that 2856 02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:14,399 submitted their feedback. And so this 2857 02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:17,760 event had 238 amazing cars. As you can 2858 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,960 see, that's a drone um shot and it was 2859 02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:24,319 very full and so much fun. Um this is 2860 02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:26,160 like a benefit car show. We've done 2861 02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:27,600 that. Um and we'll talk a little bit 2862 02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:29,600 more about that later, but we were able 2863 02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:32,720 to raise $9,236.90 2864 02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:35,600 for the American Legion. Um and then we 2865 02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,080 had just under 6,000 attendees there and 2866 02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:39,439 it was a great night. We're super 2867 02:31:39,439 --> 02:31:43,280 grateful also for Walker Sanderson. um 2868 02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:46,240 they help us so much with this event and 2869 02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:47,840 for their support towards American 2870 02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:55,270 Legion and it was a great kickoff. 2871 02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:57,520 Okay, next we had our pool party on 2872 02:31:57,520 --> 02:32:00,160 Tuesday and it is rated by the public 2873 02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:03,760 4.77 stars. There's a little quote on 2874 02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:06,160 here that came from that survey saying 2875 02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:08,240 that the pool party is always a slam 2876 02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:12,240 dunk. There were 698 attendees, free ice 2877 02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:14,479 cream, dancing, prizes. You can see the 2878 02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,960 royalty got really involved here. It was 2879 02:32:16,960 --> 02:32:21,600 a really fantastic evening and um you 2880 02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:27,270 can tell everyone had such a great time. 2881 02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:30,640 Um Ormfest Orchard Jam was rated 4.73 2882 02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:34,240 stars. This had disco 2883 02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:37,760 um what do you call karaoke dance? Yeah, 2884 02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:40,880 disco silent dance, a children's farmers 2885 02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:43,280 market, and a foam party. This was a 2886 02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:45,760 huge hit as well. People are return 2887 02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:47,680 attendees for this with just under 2888 02:32:47,680 --> 02:32:52,550 2,000. 2889 02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:55,680 All righty. So, um the carnival days of 2890 02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:57,680 course and stage entertainment that is 2891 02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:02,160 always a big hit. Um 3.88 stars for the 2892 02:33:02,160 --> 02:33:06,000 carnival. Um but we did have 82,400 2893 02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:08,160 attendees overall in the park that week. 2894 02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:10,640 So that's obviously a huge number. We 2895 02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:13,040 had several um stage entertainments 2896 02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:14,880 throughout the week. A lot of talented 2897 02:33:14,880 --> 02:33:18,240 performers, a lot of um comp we did a 2898 02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:21,120 hot dog eating competition as always and 2899 02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:23,920 we had our 10th annual ORM's Got Talent 2900 02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:25,680 where we featured a lot of talented 2901 02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:28,720 people in Oram and it was a very fun 2902 02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:33,750 week and successful. 2903 02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:36,000 We had a new event this year that was 2904 02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:38,640 run by our ORM fire department and they 2905 02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:41,439 did a fun run where they had invited and 2906 02:33:41,439 --> 02:33:44,000 participants to run up and down the 2907 02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:46,319 parade route. There were 112 2908 02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:48,640 participants which we're really pr proud 2909 02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:50,960 about for this first year. They raised 2910 02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:55,359 over $2,000 for the ORMS um fire 2911 02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:58,880 department's PPFO to restore the engine 2912 02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:01,280 number one and other charitable um 2913 02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:04,720 efforts that the PPFO does for our 2914 02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:07,120 community. Uh the grand parade and 2915 02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:09,760 fireworks and drone shows are always a 2916 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:12,880 hit. We had the drone show that rated 2917 02:34:12,880 --> 02:34:14,399 4.87 2918 02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:16,720 and I'm thinking whoever didn't rate it 2919 02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:19,760 five stars was not there. [laughter] 2920 02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:22,399 It was amazing. And the fireworks show 2921 02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:25,439 is also at the top of the charts. Um the 2922 02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:29,600 parade is 4.12 stars and we had 85 2923 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,640 entries. We had a lot of marching bands 2924 02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,359 and extra fun things this year. Um 2925 02:34:35,359 --> 02:34:38,479 crowds and and finding the right seats 2926 02:34:38,479 --> 02:34:42,160 and candy fighting are always among the 2927 02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,800 things that we can improve on. U but we 2928 02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:47,200 overall feel really pleased with a 2929 02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:50,479 successful event. 2930 02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:51,840 And I think that's it. So, we just 2931 02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:54,080 wanted to yeah shout out everybody. We 2932 02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,720 have a awesome team and we're grateful 2933 02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:58,800 for all of you for all of your support 2934 02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,359 during that week. 2935 02:35:01,359 --> 02:35:02,960 >> Thank you. Have you caught up on your 2936 02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:03,920 sleep 2937 02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:04,720 >> by now? Yes. 2938 02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:06,560 >> By now. It's been a little over a month. 2939 02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:08,640 Okay. Council, any questions or 2940 02:35:08,640 --> 02:35:11,200 comments? 2941 02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:16,319 >> Okay. Oh, okay. Say thank you to all of 2942 02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:18,399 you and the events commission. They put 2943 02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:20,240 in so much hard work to make ORMFest 2944 02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:22,640 happen and it was a blast. You guys do a 2945 02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,560 great job and I had a great time 2946 02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:26,080 participating in it. So, thank you for 2947 02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:28,080 all of your hard work and for the events 2948 02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:31,280 commission. Thank you. 2949 02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,439 >> Yes, thank you. It was it was wonderful. 2950 02:35:33,439 --> 02:35:36,000 It was really a lot of fun. So, right. 2951 02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,399 Thanks. And I guess you Oh, Council 2952 02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:39,200 Member Gail. 2953 02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:40,880 >> I just wanted to say thank you again. 2954 02:35:40,880 --> 02:35:42,319 You guys do such a good job. And not 2955 02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:43,680 just you, but all of the staff. I mean, 2956 02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:45,520 they're working 12, 18 hour days, you 2957 02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:46,640 know, working with the public, working 2958 02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:49,120 with our our facilities. Um, and when 2959 02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:50,960 it's all over, we go to that fireworks 2960 02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:52,240 show and we think how great it is and we 2961 02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:54,000 all go home and at 6:00 the next 2962 02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:55,520 morning, you guys are there cleaning up. 2963 02:35:55,520 --> 02:36:00,070 So, just props to you and thank you. 2964 02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:02,240 Right. Thank you. And you looks like 2965 02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:04,960 you've got the next item as well. So, we 2966 02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:07,439 have a presentation, our car show 2967 02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:10,160 fundraiser for the American Legion. So, 2968 02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:16,710 um, Kenise will have you continue. 2969 02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:18,319 » We just want to invite the American 2970 02:36:18,319 --> 02:36:21,040 Legion representatives up here. Um, we 2971 02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:23,520 have Rodney Gardner and Kelly Kilpac who 2972 02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:26,000 will be um, receiving the check for us. 2973 02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:29,040 We're excited to present it to them and 2974 02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:40,230 um, yeah, we'll just have them join us. 2975 02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:43,830 Oh, did we come? 2976 02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:46,800 » Oh, there's a Oh, there's unflattering 2977 02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:48,880 picture of me. 2978 02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:56,230 Turn that unflattering picture on. 2979 02:36:56,240 --> 02:36:58,960 » We don't need that for posterity. this 2980 02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:00,800 picture 2981 02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:10,469 there. 2982 02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:14,399 » All right, here we go. One, two, three. 2983 02:37:14,399 --> 02:37:16,720 >> All right. Thanks. 2984 02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:26,550 >> Congratulations. 2985 02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:29,830 Thank you. 2986 02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:30,960 » All right. Thank you and 2987 02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:33,520 congratulations. 2988 02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:36,080 The next item is a presentation on 2989 02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:39,840 events safety and Lieutenant Blake Fen 2990 02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:41,520 from our ORM Police Department will be 2991 02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:43,549 the presenter. 2992 02:37:43,549 --> 02:37:53,110 [sighs and gasps] 2993 02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:54,319 » You want to play it first? You 2994 02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:55,520 >> want to do that first? Yeah, let's play 2995 02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:56,640 it first. 2996 02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:57,600 >> That's what I hope. 2997 02:37:57,600 --> 02:37:59,359 >> You might not know know about Warren 2998 02:37:59,359 --> 02:38:02,479 Fest is that planning that happens 2999 02:38:02,479 --> 02:38:04,479 between all the different departments, 3000 02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:06,000 especially with the police department, 3001 02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:07,840 happens months and months and months 3002 02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,640 before the event. And we're so grateful 3003 02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:12,720 for the work the police department does 3004 02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:15,359 to make this event safe and fun and 3005 02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:16,560 friendly for everyone. 3006 02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:18,880 >> Anybody want a ball? Yeah. Sweet. We got 3007 02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:20,560 some stickers and bookmarks, too, if you 3008 02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:23,760 want. Swim team. Is that what it is? 3009 02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,160 Awesome. Very cool. 3010 02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:28,640 >> So, in order to put together an event 3011 02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:31,359 like Bormfest, it takes an entire team. 3012 02:38:31,359 --> 02:38:34,240 Got a whole board of people that work 3013 02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:36,080 all year long to make this come 3014 02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:39,280 together. On the police side, we 3015 02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:42,000 schedule overtime for the park. Have 3016 02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:44,800 multiple officers in the park uh at all 3017 02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:47,680 hours making sure everyone's safe and 3018 02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:48,720 having a good time. 3019 02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:52,870 >> Rock, paper, scissors. Who wins? 3020 02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:54,560 All right, there you go. 3021 02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:57,120 >> True champion. Right now, morning time, 3022 02:38:57,120 --> 02:38:59,200 we have about seven officers working. 3023 02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:01,439 The afternoon when things start to get 3024 02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,319 more busy, we'll have 10 to 12 officers 3025 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:07,040 in the park. Our number one priority is 3026 02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:09,200 everybody's safety. Favorite thing about 3027 02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:12,080 Wormfest is honestly the community 3028 02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:14,000 engagement. It's super fun to just 3029 02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,399 interact with the kids and the people 3030 02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:19,680 and just have fun with them. My least 3031 02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:22,080 favorite thing is wearing this uniform 3032 02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:31,990 and just sweating. Oh, I'm sorry. 3033 02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:34,640 » I talk from this one. 3034 02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:37,520 I won't fit in those chairs. 3035 02:39:37,520 --> 02:39:39,600 I'm going to give public speaking a 3036 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,105 one-star review. Thanks, Chief. 3037 02:39:42,105 --> 02:39:44,469 [laughter] 3038 02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:46,319 Uh, so yeah, I was asked to just kind of 3039 02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:49,520 go over event security. Um every event 3040 02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:51,680 in norm is evaluated from a safety 3041 02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:53,600 perspective. We want to provide a safe 3042 02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:55,280 environment for everyone to enjoy the 3043 02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:58,080 event. Um events are evaluated by their 3044 02:39:58,080 --> 02:40:00,720 location, the type of event, uh the 3045 02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:02,479 typical number of attendees from years 3046 02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:05,920 prior. Um the priorities and logistical 3047 02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:08,240 needs are then brought up to the plan 3048 02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:10,560 brought up through the planning process 3049 02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:12,399 and sometimes the planning process can 3050 02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:13,840 begin months in advance like for 3051 02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:16,319 Oramfest or National Night Out. Uh 3052 02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:18,080 sometimes it's a few days in advance if 3053 02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:21,600 we if we're we have a smaller event. Um 3054 02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:23,520 day-to-day in police work, we manage 3055 02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:26,080 crime scenes and events as they occur. 3056 02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:33,280 So advanced notice is always a welcome uh notice. Uh smaller events we 3057 02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:34,800 can usually staff with a handful of 3058 02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:38,479 officers. That got really loud, Pete. 3059 02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:40,080 Uh smaller events we can usually staff 3060 02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:42,160 with a handful of officers. 3061 02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:44,560 uh the extra police presence is usually 3062 02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:46,880 sufficient to meet those needs. Um the 3063 02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:48,160 larger events are a bit more 3064 02:40:48,160 --> 02:40:51,760 complicated. Uh with these events, um 3065 02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:54,560 there's usually a board of personnel 3066 02:40:54,560 --> 02:40:57,200 like I noted in that video that uh 3067 02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:58,960 include 3068 02:40:58,960 --> 02:41:02,160 Kenise and Sydney, their whole team, um 3069 02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:05,040 police, fire, our emergency services, 3070 02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,760 parks, um and just I mean everybody from 3071 02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:09,840 the city. It's it's a joint effort to 3072 02:41:09,840 --> 02:41:12,319 make it all come together. 3073 02:41:12,319 --> 02:41:15,760 Typically for uh most event most events 3074 02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:17,920 the question is usually how many 3075 02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:21,280 officers are adequate. Um for Ormfest 3076 02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:25,200 every employee is used. We with very few 3077 02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:27,840 exceptions. Um we have assignments 3078 02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:30,319 throughout the week especially Saturday 3079 02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:32,960 with the parade and the park events 3080 02:41:32,960 --> 02:41:36,160 going on. Um officers are both needed as 3081 02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:39,359 a visible presence and and uh officers 3082 02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:41,600 that are out of sight for contingency 3083 02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:46,790 scenarios scenarios. 3084 02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,439 Uh when we put on a big event, there's a 3085 02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:51,680 lot of questions that we ask uh in 3086 02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:54,399 regards to the action plan. Do we need 3087 02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:57,280 drones? Do we need camera trailers? Uh 3088 02:41:57,280 --> 02:41:59,040 what kind of security do we need inside 3089 02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:05,280 the park or inside the event? Outside the event. um the coverage of 3090 02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:08,319 overtime with signup sheets uh for 3091 02:42:08,319 --> 02:42:11,200 Wormfest. We staff that park 24 hours a 3092 02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:14,319 day. We have two officers at night uh on 3093 02:42:14,319 --> 02:42:17,120 a graveyard shift just to make sure the 3094 02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,040 vendor's items are safe, the food trucks 3095 02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:20,880 are safe, the the carnival stuff is 3096 02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:22,560 safe, and nobody's in there vandalizing 3097 02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:25,359 anything. Uh we have uh we go over 3098 02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:27,040 protocols for lost children, lost 3099 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:29,840 property. Um, we incorporate crossing 3100 02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:31,760 guards to help people navigate the 3101 02:42:31,760 --> 02:42:35,760 streets safely because there's a lot of traffic and a lot of a lot of 3102 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:38,880 pedestrians around that area. 3103 02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:41,680 Um, a logistical improvement that we're 3104 02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:43,760 looking at for next year, next year's 3105 02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:45,840 Orumfest, and yes, it's already in the 3106 02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:48,399 process in my mind of getting going for 3107 02:42:48,399 --> 02:42:51,680 2027 is uh our events are growing so 3108 02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:54,319 much and we're adding things. uh just 3109 02:42:54,319 --> 02:42:56,640 having a better command presence in 3110 02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:59,040 regards to someone in command over the 3111 02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:01,280 park specifically, the parade 3112 02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:05,439 specifically, and uh just allowing a 3113 02:43:05,439 --> 02:43:08,160 better span and control of of all of our 3114 02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:11,760 resources. Um there's a lot of a lot of 3115 02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:13,520 effort and time that's put into making 3116 02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,319 ORM events enjoyable and safe. And as I 3117 02:43:16,319 --> 02:43:18,080 noted, we're we're already planning 3118 02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:20,880 ahead for for several events. and 3119 02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:25,840 Warmfest 2027 is is on our mind. So with 3120 02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:28,080 that, that's all I got. 3121 02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:31,200 >> Right. Thank you. Any questions, 3122 02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:34,160 council? Thank you for that. I 3123 02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:36,560 appreciate what you and the and the 3124 02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:41,600 other officers do. That's a lot of time when when we're on 3125 02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:43,120 that parade route. Every intersection 3126 02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:45,279 has either got a an officer or a 3127 02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:47,680 volunteer or somebody there and then in 3128 02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:49,279 the park. So, thank you for all your 3129 02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:50,880 work. Council member Mil, did you hear 3130 02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:51,279 the comment? 3131 02:43:51,279 --> 02:43:53,760 >> Yeah, I just wanted to say um you know, 3132 02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:56,800 kudos to finding the lost child cuz that 3133 02:43:56,800 --> 02:43:59,760 family, I talked to a couple of them and 3134 02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:02,800 finding the stolen diaper bag, you know, 3135 02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:04,319 all of these unfortunate things 3136 02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:06,319 sometimes happen and you guys were 3137 02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:08,479 there. You were delivering. You were 3138 02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:11,760 comforting um and protecting. So, thank 3139 02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:14,160 you for all of that, the compassion side 3140 02:44:14,160 --> 02:44:16,000 and the protection side. You do such a 3141 02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:16,319 great job. 3142 02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:18,319 >> Not a problem. We're 100% on lost kids. 3143 02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:20,319 So, let's keep that streak going. We 3144 02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:22,960 didn't get all the property uh back, but 3145 02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:24,960 it's uh it's been booked and waiting for 3146 02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:27,439 somebody to come and claim it. So, 3147 02:44:27,439 --> 02:44:29,520 >> all right. Thank you. Um Council Member 3148 02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:30,319 Lamson, 3149 02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:32,640 >> just also just to echo a quick thank 3150 02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:35,680 you. Um you know, honestly, as I look 3151 02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:38,000 back over these events, I don't think 3152 02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:39,520 there's ever been a time where I've ever 3153 02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:41,520 felt unsafe 3154 02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:45,040 because you're there. And um I I was 3155 02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:46,800 mentioning in our committee meeting, our 3156 02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:48,160 follow-up meeting, that one of my 3157 02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:50,160 favorite memories of this year's 3158 02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:53,120 Oramfest was kind of later in the 3159 02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:55,200 evening when things had kind of calmed 3160 02:44:55,200 --> 02:44:57,520 down, but the carnival where the 3161 02:44:57,520 --> 02:44:59,760 teenagers were was bumping. I mean, it 3162 02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:02,560 was just I I there were that place was 3163 02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:04,160 wallto-wall 3164 02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:06,720 kids, teenagers, 3165 02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:09,760 >> and the the 3166 02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:12,880 just the vibe of that whole gathering of 3167 02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:16,080 young people uh was amazing to just walk 3168 02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:17,760 through. Not that you would ever not 3169 02:45:17,760 --> 02:45:20,399 feel safe with them, but I think it says 3170 02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:24,000 a lot about you uh and about the 3171 02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:26,000 citizens of ORM. And you know, these are 3172 02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,720 good kids out having good, clean fun, 3173 02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:30,720 but um I I know there are a lot of 3174 02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:32,080 places where you wouldn't feel safe 3175 02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:35,279 being in a situation like that. And it 3176 02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:37,200 wasn't even a hint of a concern or a 3177 02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:41,120 worry. Um so, thank you. And uh we just 3178 02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:43,040 appreciate all that you do to to keep us 3179 02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:43,680 safe. 3180 02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:45,279 >> Problem. It's a team effort. Appreciate 3181 02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:46,319 it. 3182 02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:48,880 >> Right. Thank you. 3183 02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:50,160 >> All right. Before we go to personal 3184 02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:52,240 appearances, I neglected to acknowledge 3185 02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:57,910 that council Oh, let's do this. Yes. 3186 02:45:57,920 --> 02:46:00,080 Thank you. [laughter] 3187 02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:02,080 I neglected to mention that council 3188 02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:05,359 member Quinn Mikum is joining us online. 3189 02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:07,439 So, are you council member Mikum? Are 3190 02:46:07,439 --> 02:46:08,880 you there? 3191 02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:10,880 >> I am there. Thank you. 3192 02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:12,880 >> All right. He is there. [gasps] All 3193 02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:15,120 right. We're glad to have you here. 3194 02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:18,960 Okay. We now have time for Oh. Excuse 3195 02:46:18,960 --> 02:46:21,200 me. Personal appearances. Time has been 3196 02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:22,880 set aside for the public to express 3197 02:46:22,880 --> 02:46:25,600 their ideas, concerns, and comments on 3198 02:46:25,600 --> 02:46:27,680 items not scheduled as public hearings 3199 02:46:27,680 --> 02:46:29,680 on the agenda. 3200 02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:31,920 Those wishing to speak will have signed 3201 02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:35,680 up ahead of time. And 3202 02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:37,120 those wishing to speak are also 3203 02:46:37,120 --> 02:46:39,120 encouraged to show respect for those who 3204 02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:41,520 serve the city. Comment should focus on 3205 02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,880 issues concerning the city. So, looking 3206 02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:48,080 at the number of people we have, [gasps] 3207 02:46:48,080 --> 02:46:50,240 I think we can go ahead and um if you 3208 02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:52,000 could limit your comments to 3 minutes 3209 02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:54,240 or less, 3210 02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:58,640 uh we've got we got our time. 3211 02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:00,640 We have a timer now. If you haven't been 3212 02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:04,160 here for a bit, we have a clock that 3213 02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:07,439 comes up and we'll remind you of of 3214 02:47:07,439 --> 02:47:10,000 that. So, we're going to go ahead and 3215 02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:13,840 get started. And so our first uh 3216 02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:16,240 resident who would like to to um 3217 02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:18,560 participate in personal appearances is 3218 02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:21,200 Aaron Larson. Welcome. And next will be 3219 02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:23,230 Lisa Leser. 3220 02:47:23,230 --> 02:47:24,560 [gasps] I know you're short on time, so 3221 02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:27,040 I'll get to it. So last week I actually 3222 02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:28,560 attended a national conference where a 3223 02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:31,359 keynote speaker discovered discussed the 3224 02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:33,200 Harvard Baylor research on human 3225 02:47:33,200 --> 02:47:35,840 flourishing. Flourishing means more than 3226 02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,439 simply avoiding problems. It means 3227 02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:38,720 creating the relationships, 3228 02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:42,319 institutions, freedoms, and conditions 3229 02:47:42,319 --> 02:47:44,000 that allow people and communities to 3230 02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:47,200 thrive. One of the central dimensions is 3231 02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:50,000 financial and material stability. We 3232 02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:51,760 have a housing affordability crisis in 3233 02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:54,800 ORM. Councilwoman Millet has mentioned 3234 02:47:54,800 --> 02:47:56,240 more than once how she wishes her 3235 02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:57,920 daughter could afford to live in ORM 3236 02:47:57,920 --> 02:47:59,920 instead of Springville. In the next 3237 02:47:59,920 --> 02:48:02,240 couple of weeks, you'll be voting on a 3238 02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:04,399 detached ADU ordinance. Right now, the 3239 02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:06,319 ordinance is written in a way that 3240 02:48:06,319 --> 02:48:09,680 almost 75% of ORM will be excluded from 3241 02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:12,240 being part of the solution. So, I'd 3242 02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:13,920 encourage maximum flexibility so that 3243 02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:16,960 all ORM homeowners can be part of the 3244 02:48:16,960 --> 02:48:19,120 solution. Instead of waiting for the 3245 02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:20,640 government to sol to solve the 3246 02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:22,960 affordability crisis for my family, I 3247 02:48:22,960 --> 02:48:25,600 chose to build a multigenerational home. 3248 02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:27,279 The home that I learned through a 3249 02:48:27,279 --> 02:48:30,160 grandma request prompted this council to 3250 02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:32,080 pass Orm's first home building ordinance 3251 02:48:32,080 --> 02:48:36,560 that limits freedom in nearly 20 years. 3252 02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:38,319 Tonight, in your closed door uh 3253 02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:40,960 litigation session, Mr. Earl will likely 3254 02:48:40,960 --> 02:48:43,279 update you on my petition in the fourth 3255 02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:44,800 district court challenging that 3256 02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:47,120 ordinance. As you listen as you listen 3257 02:48:47,120 --> 02:48:49,200 to him, I'd ask you to weigh three 3258 02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:50,720 things. 3259 02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:54,160 First, Utah law expressly protects roof 3260 02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:56,479 pitch as a residential building design 3261 02:48:56,479 --> 02:48:59,840 element that cities may not regulate. 3262 02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:02,160 Yet, ORM's ordinance uses roof pitch as 3263 02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:04,240 the trigger that determines how tall a 3264 02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:07,120 homeowner may build. Second, for over a 3265 02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:09,439 100red years, the Utah Supreme Court has 3266 02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:11,600 consistently held that government may 3267 02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:14,960 not do indirectly what the law forbids 3268 02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:18,000 it from doing directly. government may 3269 02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,960 not do indirectly what the law forbids 3270 02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:23,520 it from doing directly. Third, the 3271 02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:25,200 legislature that I've been in contact 3272 02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,520 with has been clear. If the city 3273 02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:29,359 prevails on a technicality, the 3274 02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:32,800 legislature convenes in January and a 3275 02:49:32,800 --> 02:49:34,800 three-word amendment directly or 3276 02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:37,120 indirectly will then make the lawsuit 3277 02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:39,120 moot and a complete waste of ORM 3278 02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:41,600 taxpayers money. So, the real issue is 3279 02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:44,399 lost opportunity cost. The city has 3280 02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:46,399 hired outside council and has already 3281 02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:48,479 expended a significant amount of tax 3282 02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:51,600 dollars and stack and tax tax dollars 3283 02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:55,040 and staff time over one 3284 02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:57,812 multigenerational home. One 3285 02:49:57,812 --> 02:49:59,200 [clears throat] that I am building for 3286 02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:02,160 my family with my own two hands. Every 3287 02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:04,720 one of those tax dollars and hours is a 3288 02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:07,120 dollar and an hour not spent putting the 3289 02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:08,960 Harvard's flourishing research to work 3290 02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:12,319 in ORM. I have intentionally not served 3291 02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:14,960 the city with a suit to give the city's 3292 02:50:14,960 --> 02:50:17,120 lawyers time to show me that the Utah 3293 02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:18,880 courts have allowed other cities to 3294 02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:20,960 ignore the intent of the state law and 3295 02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:23,120 to do indirectly what the city is 3296 02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:25,200 prohibited from doing directly. So far, 3297 02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:27,439 they've come up with nothing. As a 3298 02:50:27,439 --> 02:50:29,439 taxpayer, I'm asking you to direct the 3299 02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:31,680 city to amend the ordinance so that it 3300 02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:33,920 does not go against state law and to do 3301 02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:36,399 this before I serve the city and our tax 3302 02:50:36,399 --> 02:50:38,080 dollars get used to pay for outside 3303 02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:40,800 counsel. This will allow you to redirect 3304 02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:43,359 these resources towards more towards 3305 02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:46,479 making ORM not just family city USA but 3306 02:50:46,479 --> 02:50:48,160 family city USA where everyone 3307 02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:52,080 flourishes. So thank you. 3308 02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:55,750 >> Thank you. 3309 02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:58,319 » All right Lisa Lasser and then after 3310 02:50:58,319 --> 02:51:03,190 Miss Leser we have Barry Flint. 3311 02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:06,000 » Hi. I've spoken before so I will be 3312 02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:08,720 short tonight. Our numbers of children 3313 02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:10,640 are shrinking in our churches and our 3314 02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,960 schools because normal turnover in 3315 02:51:12,960 --> 02:51:15,279 affordable housing is going to vacation 3316 02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:18,560 rentals. Within two blocks of my home 3317 02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:21,200 are seven short-term rentals. Those are 3318 02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:23,120 places I could have neighbors and 3319 02:51:23,120 --> 02:51:25,920 friends, but I do not. 3320 02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,399 Homes are for residents, not for weekend 3321 02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:31,520 visitors. Vacationers get the keys and 3322 02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:33,920 locals get the boot. 3323 02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:36,000 Please, please do not open the 3324 02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:37,840 floodgates in our city to short-term 3325 02:51:37,840 --> 02:51:40,640 rentals because if you do, you won't be 3326 02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:43,520 able to close that those gates again. 3327 02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:44,720 Thank you. 3328 02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:47,760 >> Thank you. 3329 02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:50,479 >> Hey, Barry Flint and after Mr. Flint, 3330 02:51:50,479 --> 02:51:55,830 Jordan Coway. 3331 02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:57,040 » Okay, I'm just going to read from my 3332 02:51:57,040 --> 02:51:58,880 notes so I don't 3333 02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:01,120 >> know I don't have much time. So, uh, my 3334 02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:03,760 name is Barry Flint, live in Orm. I've 3335 02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:06,880 moved here alone from North Carolina 32 3336 02:52:06,880 --> 02:52:08,479 years ago. Never been out here. Just 3337 02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:11,200 decided want to get out here. Supposed 3338 02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,000 to be here out here for a year. That was 3339 02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:19,040 32 years ago, never left. Um the I fell 3340 02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:21,200 in love with not just with the the 3341 02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:23,200 beauty and the outdoor recreation but 3342 02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:24,800 also the people because they were so 3343 02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,439 upset accepting of me especially with me 3344 02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:30,640 knowing no one out here when I moved. U 3345 02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,319 just I want to state that I do not own 3346 02:52:32,319 --> 02:52:34,560 an Airbnb. I'm not planning on buying 3347 02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:36,319 one and I have no financial interest in 3348 02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:39,760 them. I've traveled for work for Mark 3349 02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:45,600 for up to the last year all over the 3350 02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:48,000 country. Uh we were staying our group 3351 02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:51,040 was staying in Airbnbs of we had 3352 02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:55,040 anywhere from 5 to 15 people in Airbnb. 3353 02:52:55,040 --> 02:52:57,600 Uh it was for us it was a home away from 3354 02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:01,040 home. U we away from our families for 3355 02:53:01,040 --> 02:53:02,880 usually weeks or sometimes months at a 3356 02:53:02,880 --> 02:53:06,319 time. Uh we would come back from a long 3357 02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:09,359 day, fix dinner center and have long 3358 02:53:09,359 --> 02:53:10,960 conversations about the day and how it 3359 02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:13,600 went and help support each other. Uh we 3360 02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:15,040 were told by our bosses that if we 3361 02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:16,800 didn't take care of these places and 3362 02:53:16,800 --> 02:53:19,200 respected the neighbors, then they would 3363 02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:21,920 no longer do this for us. We never had 3364 02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:23,680 any issues. We were only there at night 3365 02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:26,319 and on Sundays after working long days 3366 02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:28,960 off six days a week. I've also stayed in 3367 02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:31,680 a couple in Orum a couple years ago when 3368 02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:34,080 I temporarily was staying down in St. 3369 02:53:34,080 --> 02:53:35,840 George. Had to finish up some work here 3370 02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:37,840 and there was a lapse somewhere where I 3371 02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,240 was staying. So I stay there's no way I 3372 02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:43,040 could afford a hotel for 3 weeks. Uh so 3373 02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:45,359 I ended up staying in an Airbnb, renting 3374 02:53:45,359 --> 02:53:46,960 a room in a couple different places in 3375 02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:48,960 Orum. It was awesome. Everybody was 3376 02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:51,840 really cool, nice, friendly, respectful. 3377 02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:54,640 U when families come to visit from out 3378 02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:56,319 of town, Airbnbs are the perfect 3379 02:53:56,319 --> 02:53:58,880 solution. My girlfriend's family and I 3380 02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:01,279 have used them all over. Uh, from what I 3381 02:54:01,279 --> 02:54:03,600 understand, they are being considered to 3382 02:54:03,600 --> 02:54:07,200 no longer be approved here. I've heard 3383 02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:09,279 complaints on social media, but nothing 3384 02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:11,439 specific. I've heard fears of them 3385 02:54:11,439 --> 02:54:13,600 driving up house prices, turning our 3386 02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:15,200 neighborhoods into Airbnbs, and 3387 02:54:15,200 --> 02:54:17,520 eliminate families. I understand these 3388 02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:19,359 fears, and there is a way to resolve 3389 02:54:19,359 --> 02:54:22,160 them. Uh, make them legal here like they 3390 02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:23,920 have been to be able to continue use 3391 02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:25,920 them. of the city would have that 3392 02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:28,720 information of taxes would have to be 3393 02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:30,240 paid on the income from them and if 3394 02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:32,399 there are legitimate complaints, it 3395 02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:34,000 would make it much easier to deal with 3396 02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:36,640 them of the property owner's first 3397 02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:38,240 priority is to make sure the neighbors 3398 02:54:38,240 --> 02:54:39,840 are respected or they could lose their 3399 02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:42,399 business of fear them taking over your 3400 02:54:42,399 --> 02:54:44,319 neighborhood is a fear without facts. 3401 02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:45,920 It's basically impossible to go out and 3402 02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:48,880 buy a home now here and for that purpose 3403 02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:51,439 and actually make any money at all on it 3404 02:54:51,439 --> 02:54:54,399 of and then oh I got a little bit more 3405 02:54:54,399 --> 02:54:57,680 but anyway of the point I'm trying to 3406 02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:00,080 make is that they're very much needed 3407 02:55:00,080 --> 02:55:02,800 here of make them legal without a ton of 3408 02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:04,800 restrictions. It's better for all of us 3409 02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:06,880 and let's be the community that welcomes 3410 02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:08,720 others just like it was when I moved 3411 02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:10,720 here. 3412 02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:15,750 >> Thank you. 3413 02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,399 All right. Um, Jordan Coway and then 3414 02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:20,800 after Miss Callaway, we have Shauna 3415 02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:23,200 Steinoff. Can I give these to 3416 02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:31,830 >> Okay, gave it to Teresa. 3417 02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:33,520 » Good evening, mayor and council members. 3418 02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:36,880 My name is Jordan Coway and um I have am 3419 02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:39,279 passing out. It's a petition that is we 3420 02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:42,800 uh have been uh going around and we have 3421 02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:44,479 over 600 people on there that are in 3422 02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:47,680 favor of total prohibition and um as 3423 02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:49,920 well as some very informative oped 3424 02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:51,520 pieces from concerned residents from 3425 02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:54,880 around ORM. Um I'm asking you to protect 3426 02:55:54,880 --> 02:55:57,120 ORM's residential neighborhoods. The 3427 02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:59,040 dictionary defines residential as 3428 02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:01,040 designed for people to live in it. It 3429 02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:02,960 doesn't say design for businesses. It 3430 02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:04,960 doesn't say design for hotels. It simply 3431 02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:06,399 means a place where people make their 3432 02:56:06,399 --> 02:56:08,640 homes. The issue comes down to one 3433 02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:10,240 simple question. Why should short-term 3434 02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:12,479 rentals receive an exception that no 3435 02:56:12,479 --> 02:56:14,640 other business gets? If someone bought a 3436 02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:16,000 single family home and announced that 3437 02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:17,760 they plan to open a restaurant or retail 3438 02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:19,920 store, an auto repair shop, or any other 3439 02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:21,600 business in the middle of a residential 3440 02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:23,200 neighborhood, the city would never allow 3441 02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:25,200 it. We have zoning laws for a reason. 3442 02:56:25,200 --> 02:56:26,720 They separate commercial uses from 3443 02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:28,319 residential ones to protect the people 3444 02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:30,080 who live there. Yet, when someone 3445 02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:31,680 purchases a home with the primary intent 3446 02:56:31,680 --> 02:56:33,200 of operating it as a nightly rental 3447 02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:35,200 business, somehow we're asked to pretend 3448 02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:37,520 it isn't a business. If a property is 3449 02:56:37,520 --> 02:56:39,439 being advertised on booking platforms 3450 02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:41,760 rented nightly to paying customers, 3451 02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:43,600 generating business income, and occupied 3452 02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:46,080 by a revolving door of guests, that is a 3453 02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:48,240 commercial enterprise. Calling it a home 3454 02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:49,680 doesn't change the fact that it's being 3455 02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:52,000 operated as a business. Property rights 3456 02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:53,439 are important, but they've never meant 3457 02:56:53,439 --> 02:56:55,760 someone can ignore zoning laws. Owning a 3458 02:56:55,760 --> 02:56:57,200 home doesn't give someone the right to 3459 02:56:57,200 --> 02:56:58,960 open a hotel, a restaurant, or a retail 3460 02:56:58,960 --> 02:57:00,960 store in a single family neighborhood. 3461 02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:02,560 Why should a short-term rental business 3462 02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:04,880 be treated any differently? Residential 3463 02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:06,319 neighborhoods should be for residents, 3464 02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:08,080 for people who live there, know their 3465 02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:09,840 neighbors, and invest in the community. 3466 02:57:09,840 --> 02:57:10,960 They should not become commercial 3467 02:57:10,960 --> 02:57:13,359 lodging districts, one house at a time. 3468 02:57:13,359 --> 02:57:15,600 I ask you to uphold the the purpose of 3469 02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:17,279 residential zoning, and apply the same 3470 02:57:17,279 --> 02:57:18,880 standard to short-term rental businesses 3471 02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:20,240 that you would apply to every other 3472 02:57:20,240 --> 02:57:22,000 business. If no other commercial 3473 02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:23,439 businesses would be allowed to buy a 3474 02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:25,040 single family home for the purpose of 3475 02:57:25,040 --> 02:57:26,880 operating a business there, short-term 3476 02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:28,479 rentals should not receive a special 3477 02:57:28,479 --> 02:57:31,200 exception. Thank you. 3478 02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:33,840 >> Thank you. 3479 02:57:33,840 --> 02:57:36,960 >> All right, Miss Steinop and after after 3480 02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:44,790 Miss Steinop, we have Tony Crushmer. 3481 02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:46,319 » Welcome. 3482 02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:47,760 >> Thank you. 3483 02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:49,760 I wanted to start by thanking each of 3484 02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:52,080 you for the service that you give to our 3485 02:57:52,080 --> 02:57:54,720 community. My name is Shana and I am a 3486 02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:57,279 resident and a homeowner here in Oram. I 3487 02:57:57,279 --> 02:57:59,840 am an active voter and a contributing 3488 02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:02,800 member of this city. I plan to be a 3489 02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:05,600 resident here long term. As you are 3490 02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:07,760 discussing the potential of reszoning 3491 02:58:07,760 --> 02:58:09,520 our residential neighborhoods to 3492 02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:12,240 legalize short-term re short-term rental 3493 02:58:12,240 --> 02:58:14,560 businesses, I want to share how 3494 02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:17,200 short-term rentals are already 3495 02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:21,920 negatively impacting me and my family. 3496 02:58:21,920 --> 02:58:25,359 Councilman Kilpac, Councilman Mikum, and 3497 02:58:25,359 --> 02:58:28,560 Councilwoman Gail, respectfully, I hope 3498 02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:30,720 that you specifically hear my concerns 3499 02:58:30,720 --> 02:58:32,319 today. 3500 02:58:32,319 --> 02:58:33,760 This year, because of declining 3501 02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:35,840 enrollment, Alpine School District has 3502 02:58:35,840 --> 02:58:38,399 taken away funding for f two full-time 3503 02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:41,439 teachers at our elementary school. My 3504 02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:43,680 child, along with many others, are being 3505 02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:45,920 put into a class with one teacher 3506 02:58:45,920 --> 02:58:48,960 teaching multiple grades grade levels in 3507 02:58:48,960 --> 02:58:52,240 what is being called a split class. To 3508 02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:55,120 add a little context, school funding and 3509 02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:57,600 school allocations are tied directly to 3510 02:58:57,600 --> 02:58:59,520 student enrollment counts. When 3511 02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:02,000 enrollment drops, the school is allotted 3512 02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:05,680 fewer state and district funds. 3513 02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:07,680 This results in fewer teachers the 3514 02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:10,479 school can afford to hire, larger class 3515 02:59:10,479 --> 02:59:13,600 sizes, and even like in our case, 3516 02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:15,359 multiple grade levels sharing one 3517 02:59:15,359 --> 02:59:17,439 teacher to compensate for these loss of 3518 02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:20,000 funds. I took a closer look at numbers 3519 02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:22,240 again today, and you may be just as 3520 02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:24,479 shocked and concerned as I am. According 3521 02:59:24,479 --> 02:59:29,520 to Airbnb and VBO, there are 525 3522 02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:32,240 unique short-term rental dwellings 3523 02:59:32,240 --> 02:59:34,800 within our city. 3524 02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:36,960 The Alpine School District website lists 3525 02:59:36,960 --> 02:59:39,600 11 elementary schools in Oram. That is 3526 02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:43,680 an average of 48 homes 3527 02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:48,000 per school with a 0% chance of students 3528 02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:51,600 enrolling directly contributing to the 3529 02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:54,560 declining enrollment. This is not 3530 02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,080 hypothetical. 3531 02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:57,920 This is actually impacting your 3532 02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:00,240 constituents and short-term rentals 3533 03:00:00,240 --> 03:00:03,600 aren't even legal yet. I recognize 3534 03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:05,359 short-term rentals are not the only 3535 03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:06,800 contributing factor of declining 3536 03:00:06,800 --> 03:00:09,760 enrollment, but they are detrimental 3537 03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:11,520 nonetheless. 3538 03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:13,600 For the sake of our community, how to 3539 03:00:13,600 --> 03:00:16,640 effectively enforce the current policies 3540 03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:18,960 should be the discussions on the table, 3541 03:00:18,960 --> 03:00:21,920 not legalizing them or grandfathering 3542 03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:23,760 them in. 3543 03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:25,680 525 3544 03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:28,960 homes dedicated to businesses with 3545 03:00:28,960 --> 03:00:31,439 rotating doors, contributing little to 3546 03:00:31,439 --> 03:00:34,560 nothing to our community. This directly 3547 03:00:34,560 --> 03:00:37,520 affects the ORM residents who have 3548 03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:41,279 entrusted you to represent them. I ask 3549 03:00:41,279 --> 03:00:43,600 you to please stand up to protect our 3550 03:00:43,600 --> 03:00:45,600 communities. Thank you. 3551 03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:53,190 >> Thank you. 3552 03:00:53,200 --> 03:00:54,960 » And I hope I said your last name right. 3553 03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:55,840 Is it 3554 03:00:55,840 --> 03:00:56,479 >> Cretmer? 3555 03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:59,279 >> Cretchmer. And then um Kathy Young, 3556 03:00:59,279 --> 03:01:04,790 you're you'll be after Mr. Cretchmer. 3557 03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:07,120 » Hi, I'm Tony Cretchmer. I have been an 3558 03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:09,359 ORM resident for over 30 years. My wife 3559 03:01:09,359 --> 03:01:11,359 has been an ORM resident for over 50 3560 03:01:11,359 --> 03:01:14,240 years. When we first married, we moved 3561 03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:16,960 to my home state of Illinois. And after 3562 03:01:16,960 --> 03:01:19,680 a year and a half, um, we were blessed 3563 03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:21,600 with my daughter actually just 9 months 3564 03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:24,720 and 2 days after we were married. But I 3565 03:01:24,720 --> 03:01:27,760 quickly realized I did not want to raise 3566 03:01:27,760 --> 03:01:30,000 my daughter in the same environment that 3567 03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:33,680 I grew up in it. So we moved and chose 3568 03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:36,880 to live in Oram. We lived in Oram and 3569 03:01:36,880 --> 03:01:39,920 rented for seven years before we bought 3570 03:01:39,920 --> 03:01:43,600 our house back in 1999. 3571 03:01:43,600 --> 03:01:47,920 My oldest daughter married 10 years ago. 3572 03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:49,840 She and her husband went to school at 3573 03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,319 Utah State. They rented. They moved down 3574 03:01:52,319 --> 03:01:55,520 to ORM. They rented. They could not find 3575 03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:58,960 a house that they could afford in Orm. 3576 03:01:58,960 --> 03:02:00,960 They ended up buying a townhouse in 3577 03:02:00,960 --> 03:02:04,399 Spanish Fork, living there for 3 years. 3578 03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:06,640 Thank goodness they got enough equity. 3579 03:02:06,640 --> 03:02:09,840 They were able to move back to the city 3580 03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:14,710 where we raised our eight kids. 3581 03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:17,439 My second oldest daughter has been 3582 03:02:17,439 --> 03:02:19,680 married for about 3583 03:02:19,680 --> 03:02:22,960 six years, seven years, six years. She 3584 03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:25,200 has two boys. 3585 03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:28,240 Up until a year ago, five of my six 3586 03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:31,760 grandchildren lived in Orum. 3587 03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:33,760 A year ago, 3588 03:02:33,760 --> 03:02:36,960 my daughter's family had to move to 3589 03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:40,479 Texas because they could not find 3590 03:02:40,479 --> 03:02:43,920 affordable housing in Orum. 3591 03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:45,840 Now, I don't care what anybody says 3592 03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:48,000 about how short-term rentals may or may 3593 03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:51,760 not affect the cost of housing. The fact 3594 03:02:51,760 --> 03:02:56,399 is there's up to over 500 short-term 3595 03:02:56,399 --> 03:03:00,080 rentals. Most of these single dwelling 3596 03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:02,399 family houses that are not on the 3597 03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:04,479 market. 3598 03:03:04,479 --> 03:03:06,240 Guess how many houses are for sale in 3599 03:03:06,240 --> 03:03:07,920 ORM? 3600 03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:10,640 Between 220 and 260. 3601 03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:14,880 Half as much. There are twice as much 3602 03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:16,880 illegal operating short-term rentals in 3603 03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:22,550 ORM as there are houses for sale. 3604 03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:25,040 My daughter's plan is to live in Texas 3605 03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:28,960 for the next five or 10 years and I will 3606 03:03:28,960 --> 03:03:32,160 not see my grandsons often because of 3607 03:03:32,160 --> 03:03:33,920 that. But they're planning on moving 3608 03:03:33,920 --> 03:03:36,800 back here after they've earned the money 3609 03:03:36,800 --> 03:03:39,120 because the cost of housing is so much 3610 03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:41,840 cheaper there. You need to ask 3611 03:03:41,840 --> 03:03:43,600 yourselves 3612 03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:46,080 as you decide whether or not to allow 3613 03:03:46,080 --> 03:03:48,720 short-term rentals. Are you willing to 3614 03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:52,160 give up having your grandkids live in 3615 03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:56,640 our city so that property owners, many 3616 03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:59,680 of which who don't even live here, can 3617 03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:02,000 continue with their short-term rentals. 3618 03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:03,439 Thank you. 3619 03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:07,190 >> Thank you. 3620 03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:09,920 » Right. Um, Miss Young. And then after 3621 03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:14,399 Miss Young Milo O, is that right? 3622 03:04:14,399 --> 03:04:18,319 >> Milo. Oh. Ought. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I 3623 03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:19,439 probably wrote that wrong. 3624 03:04:19,439 --> 03:04:21,120 >> Thank you. 3625 03:04:21,120 --> 03:04:23,680 >> Anyways, um, 3626 03:04:23,680 --> 03:04:25,600 mayor and council, my name is Kathy 3627 03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:30,080 Young. ORM is Family City USA. 3628 03:04:30,080 --> 03:04:32,240 I love that. 3629 03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:35,200 But your vote on this short-term rental 3630 03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:37,920 ordinance will tell us whether it still 3631 03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:39,760 means anything. 3632 03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:43,200 Ask yourself, do short-term rentals help 3633 03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:45,600 families thrive? 3634 03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,960 Um, strangers coming and going every few 3635 03:04:48,960 --> 03:04:51,040 days, nobody knowing who's next door, 3636 03:04:51,040 --> 03:04:53,439 parking problems, noise, constant 3637 03:04:53,439 --> 03:04:55,920 turnover, parents thinking twice about 3638 03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:58,000 whether they should even let their kids 3639 03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:01,040 play in the yard or walk to school. That 3640 03:05:01,040 --> 03:05:03,359 is not a neighborhood. 3641 03:05:03,359 --> 03:05:06,240 That's a hotel district. Families bought 3642 03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:08,640 their homes here because ORM zoning code 3643 03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:11,359 promised them neighbors, not strangers 3644 03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:13,760 coming and going. Warm families and 3645 03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:16,080 homeown homeowners kept their end of the 3646 03:05:16,080 --> 03:05:19,600 deal. Don't re rewrite the rules on them 3647 03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:22,560 now. 20 years from now, nobody will 3648 03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:24,720 remember the short-term rental operators 3649 03:05:24,720 --> 03:05:27,040 who have been pushing this so hard. But 3650 03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:29,840 every family in Oram will live with your 3651 03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:33,279 vote every single day right next door. 3652 03:05:33,279 --> 03:05:36,479 Family city US wasn't a slogan when when 3653 03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:39,359 we bought our homes. It was a promise. 3654 03:05:39,359 --> 03:05:42,080 Vote no and show this city you keep your 3655 03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:44,000 promises. Thank you. 3656 03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:46,479 >> Thank you. 3657 03:05:46,479 --> 03:05:56,389 >> Okay, Mr. A and then Stephen Ael. 3658 03:05:56,399 --> 03:05:59,359 Excuse me. Good evening. 3659 03:05:59,359 --> 03:06:02,880 Um I live near Sleepy Ridge Golf Course. 3660 03:06:02,880 --> 03:06:06,080 I own a home there. I also own a uh town 3661 03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:09,840 home that with long-term rental renters 3662 03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:13,920 in it. Um, in our neighborhood, we've 3663 03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:16,880 experienced several issues with uh STRs 3664 03:06:16,880 --> 03:06:21,040 or or single uh 3665 03:06:21,040 --> 03:06:24,399 um so 3666 03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:28,319 short-term rentals, STRs such as noise, 3667 03:06:28,319 --> 03:06:30,800 parking strains, fast traffic, unknown 3668 03:06:30,800 --> 03:06:33,040 neighbors every few days, and reduced 3669 03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:35,040 social togetherness. 3670 03:06:35,040 --> 03:06:37,359 We also have owner occupied units who 3671 03:06:37,359 --> 03:06:39,040 rent out their basement with 3672 03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:41,040 considerable success. 3673 03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:43,680 In that sense, owner occupied makes all 3674 03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:45,760 the difference. But when you have a 3675 03:06:45,760 --> 03:06:48,960 company or individual who who does not 3676 03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:51,200 even reside in the area or even in the 3677 03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:53,600 country as as I know in my neighborhood, 3678 03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:56,319 there's one owner who's spends most of 3679 03:06:56,319 --> 03:06:58,240 his time outside the country who owns 3680 03:06:58,240 --> 03:07:02,240 six homes uh one of which is short used 3681 03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:05,600 for short-term rentals. 3682 03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:07,359 So when they are that happens, it 3683 03:07:07,359 --> 03:07:09,760 becomes a recipe for disasters or 3684 03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,800 problems. For example, the following 3685 03:07:12,800 --> 03:07:14,880 illegal activities have been found to 3686 03:07:14,880 --> 03:07:17,120 use short-term rentals for their 3687 03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:20,319 business according to the FBI, Airbnb, 3688 03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:24,319 VR, Verbbo, etc. Human sex trafficking, 3689 03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:26,479 drug dealing, prostitution, party 3690 03:07:26,479 --> 03:07:29,120 rentals with vandalism, and unauthorized 3691 03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:30,720 subleting. 3692 03:07:30,720 --> 03:07:32,479 This does not mean that short-term 3693 03:07:32,479 --> 03:07:34,640 rentals are involved or the owners are, 3694 03:07:34,640 --> 03:07:38,240 but um it does because it's 3695 03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,399 decentralized and p and the private 3696 03:07:40,399 --> 03:07:42,880 nature makes them attractive to c to 3697 03:07:42,880 --> 03:07:45,120 criminals compared to places like hotels 3698 03:07:45,120 --> 03:07:48,399 with more staff and cameras. My point is 3699 03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:50,560 why would we even want to risk bringing 3700 03:07:50,560 --> 03:07:52,960 these illicit activities into the most 3701 03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:55,760 valuable part of our city, our 3702 03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:58,479 residential neighborhoods? 3703 03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:00,800 Also in regards to housing supply and 3704 03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:03,760 affordability pressures per 3705 03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:04,399 affordability [clears throat] 3706 03:08:04,399 --> 03:08:07,040 pressures per a study done by the garden 3707 03:08:07,040 --> 03:08:09,840 gardener institute in Utah County STRs 3708 03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:13,120 and investor ownership ownership reduce 3709 03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:15,439 units available for owner occupants or 3710 03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:17,600 long-term families. 3711 03:08:17,600 --> 03:08:19,680 So certainly long-term families are the 3712 03:08:19,680 --> 03:08:23,200 ideal. Vineyard did not curb their STR 3713 03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:25,359 proliferation or investor convergence 3714 03:08:25,359 --> 03:08:27,840 and they are suffering for that now 3715 03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:29,040 although they've they've tightened 3716 03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:31,760 things up. Provo along with some other 3717 03:08:31,760 --> 03:08:33,520 neighboring cities have much tighter 3718 03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:36,000 restrictions on STRs such as being 3719 03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:37,760 heavily restricted and prohibited in 3720 03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:40,319 residential and agriculture zones and 3721 03:08:40,319 --> 03:08:43,120 generally require owner occupancy with 3722 03:08:43,120 --> 03:08:45,520 commercial mixeduse areas with 3723 03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:48,240 conditional permits. If ORM does not 3724 03:08:48,240 --> 03:08:50,319 tighten up restrictions, then investors, 3725 03:08:50,319 --> 03:08:53,040 operators, and developers will gravitate 3726 03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:56,319 toward a more permissive spot like ORM. 3727 03:08:56,319 --> 03:08:58,560 We did not move to ORM for STRs. We 3728 03:08:58,560 --> 03:09:00,880 moved here because it is a family city. 3729 03:09:00,880 --> 03:09:03,439 Please, we need to work to keep it that 3730 03:09:03,439 --> 03:09:06,319 way. Let's be at least as strict as 3731 03:09:06,319 --> 03:09:10,000 Provo when it um when it comes to STRs. 3732 03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:11,520 Thank you. 3733 03:09:11,520 --> 03:09:14,080 >> Thank you. 3734 03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:17,920 Okay, Mr. Ael. and then Virginia. 3735 03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:21,600 Okay, you'll be up after, Mr. Ashel. 3736 03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:22,560 >> Welcome. 3737 03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:23,760 >> Thank you. Good evening, mayor and 3738 03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:25,920 members of the city council. Thank you 3739 03:09:25,920 --> 03:09:27,200 for your time and your service to our 3740 03:09:27,200 --> 03:09:29,680 community. I'm here tonight because I 3741 03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:30,880 care deeply about Orm and the 3742 03:09:30,880 --> 03:09:32,399 neighborhoods have made this city such a 3743 03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:34,240 wonderful place to raise families. My 3744 03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:36,960 wife and I have lived here since 1979. I 3745 03:09:36,960 --> 03:09:39,359 graduated from Warm High School 1971. 3746 03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:41,920 So, a longtime resident. Our resident 3747 03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:43,200 neighbors were neighborhoods were built 3748 03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:44,720 to be communities, not collections of 3749 03:09:44,720 --> 03:09:46,880 short-term rentals. When homes became 3750 03:09:46,880 --> 03:09:48,640 investment properties used primarily for 3751 03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:50,240 short-term lodgings, the character of a 3752 03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,880 neighborhood began to change. Permanent 3753 03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:54,560 neighbors are replaced by a revolving 3754 03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:56,640 door of visitors. I've got it in my 3755 03:09:56,640 --> 03:09:58,640 neighborhood. Becomes harder to build 3756 03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:00,640 relationships, look out for one another, 3757 03:10:00,640 --> 03:10:02,080 and create a sense of community that 3758 03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:04,399 makes neighborhoods safe and welcoming. 3759 03:10:04,399 --> 03:10:06,080 I'm also concerned about housing 3760 03:10:06,080 --> 03:10:07,760 affordability. 3761 03:10:07,760 --> 03:10:09,520 That was a big issue this last election. 3762 03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:11,040 Many residents believe the goal was to 3763 03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:12,560 create more affordable housing for 3764 03:10:12,560 --> 03:10:13,920 people who actually live and work in 3765 03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:16,160 Orm. Yet, every home that becomes a 3766 03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:17,760 short-term rental is one less home 3767 03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:20,160 available for a family, a firsttime home 3768 03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:22,160 buyer, or someone who wants to become 3769 03:10:22,160 --> 03:10:24,160 part of our community. That puts 3770 03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:25,920 additional pressure on housing prices 3771 03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:29,120 and makes home ownership more difficult. 3772 03:10:29,120 --> 03:10:30,800 I asked the council to consider whether 3773 03:10:30,800 --> 03:10:32,720 current policy truly reflects the vision 3774 03:10:32,720 --> 03:10:35,680 of familyfriendly city or has long been 3775 03:10:35,680 --> 03:10:37,279 known as a place where families can put 3776 03:10:37,279 --> 03:10:40,000 down roots. We did raised our children 3777 03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:41,520 here. 3778 03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:43,120 Children can grow up with neighbors they 3779 03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:44,800 know and residents invest in their 3780 03:10:44,800 --> 03:10:47,200 community for the long term. I encourage 3781 03:10:47,200 --> 03:10:48,720 you to strengthen protection for 3782 03:10:48,720 --> 03:10:50,160 residential neighborhoods. Carefully 3783 03:10:50,160 --> 03:10:51,600 limit this expansion of short-term 3784 03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:55,040 rentals and family neighborhoods 3785 03:10:55,040 --> 03:10:56,800 and continue pursuing housing solutions 3786 03:10:56,800 --> 03:10:58,319 that serve permanent residents rather 3787 03:10:58,319 --> 03:11:00,720 than temporary visitors. As you make 3788 03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:02,800 these decisions, I hope you'll remember 3789 03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:04,080 that a neighborhood is more than a 3790 03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:06,160 collection of houses. It's where people 3791 03:11:06,160 --> 03:11:08,880 raise children, care for aging parents, 3792 03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:10,240 build friendships, and invest in the 3793 03:11:10,240 --> 03:11:12,080 future of the city. Please help preserve 3794 03:11:12,080 --> 03:11:14,800 that vision of War. Thank you very much. 3795 03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:18,630 >> Thank you. 3796 03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:20,880 » Virginia. In Virginia, I know I met you. 3797 03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:23,200 I just I'm afraid to I would just 3798 03:11:23,200 --> 03:11:27,920 slaughter your last name. I'm so 3799 03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:31,040 Okay. And then after Virginia, um Becky 3800 03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:33,359 Smith. Welcome. 3801 03:11:33,359 --> 03:11:35,760 >> Thank you. Last time I did this, I think 3802 03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:38,080 I only had two minutes, so this feels 3803 03:11:38,080 --> 03:11:41,920 really luxurious to me. 3804 03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:44,479 Well, regarding short-term rentals, you 3805 03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:47,120 know, I know you've kind of inherited 3806 03:11:47,120 --> 03:11:49,680 this problem of short-term rentals. I 3807 03:11:49,680 --> 03:11:52,240 don't know how it was created. I guess 3808 03:11:52,240 --> 03:11:54,960 somebody at ORM was telling people it 3809 03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:58,800 was okay to have STRs. Um but the fact 3810 03:11:58,800 --> 03:12:03,200 is that um 3811 03:12:03,200 --> 03:12:07,279 they've been illegal um in Oram since 3812 03:12:07,279 --> 03:12:08,880 2002 3813 03:12:08,880 --> 03:12:14,790 as per Oram city code 22-9-1. 3814 03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:17,840 Um and I I just don't really feel like 3815 03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:21,600 short-term rentals benefit the overall 3816 03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:26,000 citizenry of Oram. uh rather I think 3817 03:12:26,000 --> 03:12:30,640 they benefit a minority of people. Um 3818 03:12:30,640 --> 03:12:33,439 and there's a kind of a a sense of 3819 03:12:33,439 --> 03:12:36,479 commercializing our neighborhoods. 3820 03:12:36,479 --> 03:12:39,920 Um if you put the question of short-term 3821 03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:43,920 rentals to a vote in ORM, I'm sure that 3822 03:12:43,920 --> 03:12:46,640 it wouldn't pass. I mean, the majority 3823 03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:49,680 would not be in favor of legalizing 3824 03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:52,080 short-term rentals. 3825 03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:54,800 And I don't see the logic of creating 3826 03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:58,319 single family residential zones and then 3827 03:12:58,319 --> 03:13:01,760 violating those zones by allowing people 3828 03:13:01,760 --> 03:13:05,760 to run small hotels in those same zones. 3829 03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:07,840 And the small hotels are short-term 3830 03:13:07,840 --> 03:13:09,600 rentals. 3831 03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:13,439 Um a residential zone is designated for 3832 03:13:13,439 --> 03:13:16,960 human habitation rather than uh 3833 03:13:16,960 --> 03:13:19,920 commercial or industrial activities. 3834 03:13:19,920 --> 03:13:22,399 Short-term rentals are commercial 3835 03:13:22,399 --> 03:13:24,880 businesses regardless of whether the 3836 03:13:24,880 --> 03:13:28,239 owners live there or not. 3837 03:13:28,239 --> 03:13:31,200 And there also is a clear link between 3838 03:13:31,200 --> 03:13:34,319 STRs and increased crime rates because 3839 03:13:34,319 --> 03:13:37,279 they disrupt the social fabric of the 3840 03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:39,040 neighborhoods. 3841 03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:42,720 And I think it's ironic that ORUM uh 3842 03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:45,600 might be willing to legalize short-term 3843 03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:49,439 rentals when they have been shown to um 3844 03:13:49,439 --> 03:13:53,279 contribute to rising crime rates. And at 3845 03:13:53,279 --> 03:13:57,439 the same time, they proposed a um tax 3846 03:13:57,439 --> 03:13:59,760 increase because ORM needs two more 3847 03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:01,840 policemen. So that seems kind of 3848 03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:05,279 ironical or ironic to me. 3849 03:14:05,279 --> 03:14:08,479 Um, so I hope everyone understands that 3850 03:14:08,479 --> 03:14:11,040 you can't protect residential 3851 03:14:11,040 --> 03:14:14,080 neighborhoods and still allow short-term 3852 03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:16,720 rentals of any kind. 3853 03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:18,720 And I feel like ORM is kind of 3854 03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:20,960 different. We have these cohesive 3855 03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:23,520 neighborhoods. I just like it to stay 3856 03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:27,200 that way. This might work in San Diego, 3857 03:14:27,200 --> 03:14:30,000 but I don't think it works for Oram. So, 3858 03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:35,040 thank you very much. Thank you. 3859 03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:38,560 Hey, welcome Becky. And after uh Miss 3860 03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:43,520 Smith, we'll have Ethan Stoer. 3861 03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,840 I hope I got that right. Welcome. 3862 03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:47,840 >> Thank you. My name is Becky Smith and I 3863 03:14:47,840 --> 03:14:51,760 have lived in ORM for 24 years. I moved 3864 03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:53,760 into my neighborhood. It's a quiet, 3865 03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:55,439 wonderful neighborhood. I love my 3866 03:14:55,439 --> 03:14:58,080 neighbors. I want to tell you the 3867 03:14:58,080 --> 03:15:00,720 experience I've had with a short-term 3868 03:15:00,720 --> 03:15:04,000 rental. About two years ago, a man from 3869 03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:06,640 Texas bought the house right across the 3870 03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:10,080 street from me. Um, as neighbors, he 3871 03:15:10,080 --> 03:15:12,720 told us that this home was going to be a 3872 03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:15,920 vacation home for his family, but his 3873 03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:19,200 real plan was to be was for it to be an 3874 03:15:19,200 --> 03:15:23,600 Airbnb. Um, 3875 03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:32,160 we have had we we have a school, an elementary school right 3876 03:15:32,160 --> 03:15:33,840 across the street from the backyard of 3877 03:15:33,840 --> 03:15:38,479 this home. Um, we have had 3878 03:15:38,479 --> 03:15:42,479 school buses drive up and empty out 3879 03:15:42,479 --> 03:15:45,439 many people. We've had a tour bus drive 3880 03:15:45,439 --> 03:15:49,680 up. We've had um members that have 3881 03:15:49,680 --> 03:15:52,239 rented this place. Um 2:00 in the 3882 03:15:52,239 --> 03:15:57,279 morning, we hear them in the hot tub. Um 3883 03:15:57,279 --> 03:16:01,439 I realize and I agree with the man who 3884 03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:04,560 said it was so nice and welcoming to 3885 03:16:04,560 --> 03:16:07,439 take his family to an Airbnb. 3886 03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:10,800 I take my family to Airbnbs when we go 3887 03:16:10,800 --> 03:16:14,239 on vacation. Um, but there are a lot of 3888 03:16:14,239 --> 03:16:17,680 restrictions in those Airbnbs um about 3889 03:16:17,680 --> 03:16:20,720 noise, about parking, about respecting 3890 03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:23,200 the neighborhood. And that has not been 3891 03:16:23,200 --> 03:16:25,760 my experience with the Airbnb across the 3892 03:16:25,760 --> 03:16:28,800 street from me. Um, 3893 03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:30,960 I feel like 3894 03:16:30,960 --> 03:16:34,160 a person that buys a house that lives 3895 03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:36,880 out of state has a little less respect 3896 03:16:36,880 --> 03:16:39,279 for the quiet neighborhood that we 3897 03:16:39,279 --> 03:16:44,800 enjoy. Um, parking is an issue. Um, at 3898 03:16:44,800 --> 03:16:48,239 this moment there are three 12person 3899 03:16:48,239 --> 03:16:51,920 vans in front of that house right now. 3900 03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:57,120 36 people in one house. Um, I think as 3901 03:16:57,120 --> 03:16:59,600 you're thinking about some of the 3902 03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:02,399 restrictions and some of the rules that 3903 03:17:02,399 --> 03:17:05,359 will will happen in the Airbnbs, I think 3904 03:17:05,359 --> 03:17:07,040 that's that's something that to 3905 03:17:07,040 --> 03:17:09,359 consider. parking, 3906 03:17:09,359 --> 03:17:13,040 numbers of people, um, and has been 3907 03:17:13,040 --> 03:17:16,080 stated already, noise 3908 03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:19,840 that needs to be restricted. 3909 03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:21,760 Um, 3910 03:17:21,760 --> 03:17:25,200 so that's what I would encourage. I love 3911 03:17:25,200 --> 03:17:28,000 Airbnbs myself, 3912 03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:32,640 but we need to make sure that the rules 3913 03:17:32,640 --> 03:17:35,760 are fair to the neighborhoods, that we 3914 03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:40,000 have neighborhoods that remain quiet and 3915 03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:45,600 safe. Thank you. Thank you. 3916 03:17:45,600 --> 03:17:50,309 All right. 3917 03:17:50,319 --> 03:17:54,229 Welcome. 3918 03:17:54,239 --> 03:17:56,560 Hi, my name is Ethan Staer. I am not 3919 03:17:56,560 --> 03:17:58,399 here to speak on the short-term rentals 3920 03:17:58,399 --> 03:18:00,319 right now. I'm here to speak on Flock 3921 03:18:00,319 --> 03:18:02,479 cameras. Um, and I have a lot to say 3922 03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:04,560 about them, so I will try to go quickly 3923 03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:06,800 because I know I only have 3 minutes. 3924 03:18:06,800 --> 03:18:08,560 For those who are unfamiliar with Flock 3925 03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:10,319 as a company, this is a private company 3926 03:18:10,319 --> 03:18:12,160 that makes contracts with cities to put 3927 03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:15,200 up cameras on different streets to watch 3928 03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:17,840 and register cars as they drive past, 3929 03:18:17,840 --> 03:18:19,840 recording their license plates, 3930 03:18:19,840 --> 03:18:22,399 recording people who may be in the car 3931 03:18:22,399 --> 03:18:24,399 and all of this other information in 3932 03:18:24,399 --> 03:18:26,880 this private database. Now, they often 3933 03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:28,720 partner with police stations to allow 3934 03:18:28,720 --> 03:18:30,640 the police to search this database, but 3935 03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:33,359 these searches do not require a warrant. 3936 03:18:33,359 --> 03:18:35,120 Additionally, these searches barely 3937 03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:38,399 require a reason. There are thousands of 3938 03:18:38,399 --> 03:18:40,000 searches that are logged under the 3939 03:18:40,000 --> 03:18:42,880 reason of test. And the subject of these 3940 03:18:42,880 --> 03:18:45,359 searches can be anyone from maybe 3941 03:18:45,359 --> 03:18:46,239 someone that the police are 3942 03:18:46,239 --> 03:18:50,160 investigating to exes of police um 3943 03:18:50,160 --> 03:18:52,239 officers or people that these officers 3944 03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:53,680 are just personally interested in 3945 03:18:53,680 --> 03:18:57,279 watching. I know that a crowdsourced 3946 03:18:57,279 --> 03:18:59,439 database of flot cameras in Oram has 3947 03:18:59,439 --> 03:19:02,399 found at least 12 already in the city. I 3948 03:19:02,399 --> 03:19:04,000 don't know if there are more. This is a 3949 03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:06,080 crowdsourced system. Flock does not 3950 03:19:06,080 --> 03:19:07,840 disclose where it places cameras, nor 3951 03:19:07,840 --> 03:19:09,920 does the city. And I find this highly 3952 03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:12,399 concerning. Additionally, this database 3953 03:19:12,399 --> 03:19:15,520 is not only open to ORM city officers. 3954 03:19:15,520 --> 03:19:17,600 So even if you trust every officer 3955 03:19:17,600 --> 03:19:19,439 within the city of ORM, do you trust 3956 03:19:19,439 --> 03:19:21,760 every officer in San Diego? Do you trust 3957 03:19:21,760 --> 03:19:24,319 every officer in Houston? Do you trust 3958 03:19:24,319 --> 03:19:26,880 every officer in New York City? Because 3959 03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:28,800 every single police station across the 3960 03:19:28,800 --> 03:19:30,800 country can access the flock database. 3961 03:19:30,800 --> 03:19:33,520 And I find this highly concerning. CEO 3962 03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:35,200 of Flock and people who support Flock 3963 03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:36,560 will say that if you have nothing to 3964 03:19:36,560 --> 03:19:37,920 hide, you have nothing to worry about 3965 03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:41,600 these cameras. I disagree. If I send a 3966 03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:43,359 letter to you, I put it in an envelope. 3967 03:19:43,359 --> 03:19:44,720 Is that because the letter has something 3968 03:19:44,720 --> 03:19:46,319 to hide? Or is it because we have a 3969 03:19:46,319 --> 03:19:48,560 right to privacy? If I send you a 3970 03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:50,000 package, am I forced to put it in a 3971 03:19:50,000 --> 03:19:51,520 see-through and plastic container so 3972 03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:52,880 that everyone knows what I'm mailing 3973 03:19:52,880 --> 03:19:55,120 you? I simply am not required to do 3974 03:19:55,120 --> 03:19:57,520 that. And I don't see why the motion of 3975 03:19:57,520 --> 03:19:59,279 ORM citizens is something that needs to 3976 03:19:59,279 --> 03:20:01,520 be logged by these flock cameras. 3977 03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:03,760 There's even one I noticed across the 3978 03:20:03,760 --> 03:20:06,080 street from the Sarah Theater. This is a 3979 03:20:06,080 --> 03:20:08,160 theater where many families come and 3980 03:20:08,160 --> 03:20:10,160 they bring their children. And I don't 3981 03:20:10,160 --> 03:20:12,319 see any reason that this private 3982 03:20:12,319 --> 03:20:14,640 database needs to record every family 3983 03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:16,720 driving to and from this theater and 3984 03:20:16,720 --> 03:20:18,239 needs to know the motions of everyone 3985 03:20:18,239 --> 03:20:21,120 who visits. I find these block cameras 3986 03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:24,239 not only an insane violation of privacy 3987 03:20:24,239 --> 03:20:26,880 of the citizens of ORM, I also think 3988 03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:28,880 they raise big questions about search 3989 03:20:28,880 --> 03:20:31,520 and seizure rights. Is it legal for them 3990 03:20:31,520 --> 03:20:33,359 to record all of this information and 3991 03:20:33,359 --> 03:20:35,359 then give it to officers without needing 3992 03:20:35,359 --> 03:20:37,600 a warrant? That's just something I think 3993 03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:39,120 I would like all of you to think about. 3994 03:20:39,120 --> 03:20:44,720 Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. 3995 03:20:44,720 --> 03:20:46,560 >> All right, that concludes our our 3996 03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:48,560 personal appearances this evening. Thank 3997 03:20:48,560 --> 03:20:50,160 you to each of you who've come this 3998 03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:54,080 evening to to express your thoughts. 3999 03:20:54,080 --> 03:20:56,000 Right, council, the next item on our 4000 03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:59,040 agenda is our consent item and it's the 4001 03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:00,800 approval of the meeting minutes of June 4002 03:21:00,800 --> 03:21:03,279 9th, June 15th and the joint meeting 4003 03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:05,760 with Lynen City on but that's a June 4004 03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:09,439 15th and then on June 23rd, 2026. So I 4005 03:21:09,439 --> 03:21:11,760 would look for a motion 4006 03:21:11,760 --> 03:21:14,000 to on that item. 4007 03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:17,040 >> I move to approve the consent items. 4008 03:21:17,040 --> 03:21:18,640 Right. motion. Is there a second? 4009 03:21:18,640 --> 03:21:19,439 >> Second. 4010 03:21:19,439 --> 03:21:22,000 >> Right. Thank you. Um we'll start with 4011 03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:26,399 Council Member Mikum on voting on that. 4012 03:21:26,399 --> 03:21:33,120 >> I 4013 03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:37,120 >> Right. Motion carries. Thank you. 4014 03:21:37,120 --> 03:21:38,880 All right. Now, it's time for us to go 4015 03:21:38,880 --> 03:21:41,600 to our scheduled items. 4016 03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:43,600 First is a public hearing and it's an 4017 03:21:43,600 --> 03:21:47,120 ordinance amending appendix O of the ORM 4018 03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:48,960 city code by altering the existing 4019 03:21:48,960 --> 03:21:52,720 concept plan for the PD53 zone located 4020 03:21:52,720 --> 03:21:55,279 generally at 1890 North State Street. 4021 03:21:55,279 --> 03:21:56,560 And for those who aren't familiar with 4022 03:21:56,560 --> 03:21:58,160 where that is, that's the Old Allen's 4023 03:21:58,160 --> 03:22:00,800 grocery store in the property around 4024 03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:04,239 there. So, I'll turn the time over to um 4025 03:22:04,239 --> 03:22:06,000 our planning director Jared Hall. Is the 4026 03:22:06,000 --> 03:22:08,720 applicant here this evening? Okay. Well, 4027 03:22:08,720 --> 03:22:10,800 you'll have a chance after after Mr. 4028 03:22:10,800 --> 03:22:14,800 Hall to come up and and speak. 4029 03:22:14,800 --> 03:22:16,720 >> Thank you. Um, as you said, this is an 4030 03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:21,200 amendment of the the text of appendix O. 4031 03:22:21,200 --> 03:22:22,640 We have all these great appendices in 4032 03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:25,600 our in our code. Um, the Neers's North 4033 03:22:25,600 --> 03:22:27,040 Oram is kind of what we called this 4034 03:22:27,040 --> 03:22:30,080 project at 1890 to 1990 North State. 4035 03:22:30,080 --> 03:22:34,080 This was um the PD50 through 53 4036 03:22:34,080 --> 03:22:35,600 uh plan development zone was approved 4037 03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:38,720 just back in 2024 in February. um in the 4038 03:22:38,720 --> 03:22:42,000 original um concept plan. Um I'm going 4039 03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,000 to go to this slide to show you 4040 03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:45,760 something. Well, I want to not forget 4041 03:22:45,760 --> 03:22:46,960 that the planning commission recently 4042 03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:48,640 heard this on July 1st. They did 4043 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:51,520 recommend approval uh of this change to 4044 03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:55,439 the council. Um because it's a little 4045 03:22:55,439 --> 03:22:56,640 bit different. I just want to explain 4046 03:22:56,640 --> 03:22:58,080 really quickly that there are two parts 4047 03:22:58,080 --> 03:22:59,760 to these PD zones so that the public 4048 03:22:59,760 --> 03:23:00,880 understands. I think you guys have seen 4049 03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:02,560 them enough to know how these PD zones 4050 03:23:02,560 --> 03:23:03,600 work, but we want to make sure that 4051 03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:05,279 folks that don't that aren't as familiar 4052 03:23:05,279 --> 03:23:07,359 with it are are aware of how this works. 4053 03:23:07,359 --> 03:23:08,800 In a plan development zone, there are 4054 03:23:08,800 --> 03:23:10,399 two portions. There's a code portion, a 4055 03:23:10,399 --> 03:23:12,000 text portion, and there's a concept plan 4056 03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:13,920 that's always attached to that. And for 4057 03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:16,080 whatever weird reason, we we make them 4058 03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:17,439 they're they're located in different 4059 03:23:17,439 --> 03:23:19,680 parts of ordinance. So, the code part of 4060 03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:21,279 this, the text part has not been 4061 03:23:21,279 --> 03:23:23,200 changed. The only amendment is the 4062 03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:24,720 concept plan being updated. So, that's 4063 03:23:24,720 --> 03:23:26,399 why it's amending appendix O. Just 4064 03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:27,279 wanted to make sure that was 4065 03:23:27,279 --> 03:23:29,520 understandable. Okay. This gives me an 4066 03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:30,880 opportunity to show you though that this 4067 03:23:30,880 --> 03:23:32,800 is the original concept plan that was 4068 03:23:32,800 --> 03:23:34,640 approved that's part of RPGs OO right 4069 03:23:34,640 --> 03:23:37,200 now includes uh all of the same 4070 03:23:37,200 --> 03:23:38,880 properties. We're not we're not adding 4071 03:23:38,880 --> 03:23:40,560 additional property or changing the the 4072 03:23:40,560 --> 03:23:42,720 boundaries of the zone at all. Uh we're 4073 03:23:42,720 --> 03:23:44,560 simply changing a portion right in here 4074 03:23:44,560 --> 03:23:47,120 where there were these planned two two 4075 03:23:47,120 --> 03:23:50,399 um a pair of threetory office buildings 4076 03:23:50,399 --> 03:23:52,640 that will now be replaced in this new 4077 03:23:52,640 --> 03:23:54,160 concept plan. You can see them right 4078 03:23:54,160 --> 03:23:57,200 there by about 31,000 ft² of a home. 4079 03:23:57,200 --> 03:23:58,640 It's called home built. It's a new 4080 03:23:58,640 --> 03:24:02,720 concept in home uh in in homegoods 4081 03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:05,359 stores. Uh that that kind of thing. Uh a 4082 03:24:05,359 --> 03:24:06,960 lot of other things about the plan stay 4083 03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:08,160 basically the same. There's some 4084 03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:09,520 rearrangement of the parking. They were 4085 03:24:09,520 --> 03:24:11,359 able to get actually more parking out of 4086 03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:14,880 the uh out of the new plan. It does make 4087 03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:16,800 a couple of changes though that are are 4088 03:24:16,800 --> 03:24:19,920 um significant or worth noting. It moves 4089 03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:23,439 this building is closer to the backside 4090 03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:24,800 than these two office buildings were. 4091 03:24:24,800 --> 03:24:28,239 Although it is uh less height um overall 4092 03:24:28,239 --> 03:24:31,040 the heights that are allowed in the PD53 4093 03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:32,399 zone again none of that text has 4094 03:24:32,399 --> 03:24:34,000 changed. So this new concept plan all 4095 03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:37,040 conforms to those uh existing parameters 4096 03:24:37,040 --> 03:24:39,040 heights within 100 ft of the residential 4097 03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:41,600 zone are limited. Uh 48 is the overall 4098 03:24:41,600 --> 03:24:43,040 height that's allowed but you have to be 4099 03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:44,720 35 or less if you're within 100 ft of 4100 03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:46,319 residential. So back here you have this 4101 03:24:46,319 --> 03:24:48,479 birthday caking of the planned uh 4102 03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:50,960 homebuilt building. Uh so back here 4103 03:24:50,960 --> 03:24:52,960 we're just under I think we're at 30 32 4104 03:24:52,960 --> 03:24:55,802 ft just about 32 ft back here. Uh or 4105 03:24:55,802 --> 03:24:56,640 [snorts] actually less than that here. 4106 03:24:56,640 --> 03:24:58,960 32 ft right here. Uh so it's 4107 03:24:58,960 --> 03:25:00,319 significantly shorter than the office 4108 03:25:00,319 --> 03:25:01,439 buildings, although it is a little bit 4109 03:25:01,439 --> 03:25:03,520 closer. It's got the dock down. Um so 4110 03:25:03,520 --> 03:25:04,960 it's got a submerged dock so you have 4111 03:25:04,960 --> 03:25:06,640 less sound violations, things like that. 4112 03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:09,120 It's required to put up uh fencing like 4113 03:25:09,120 --> 03:25:11,520 we would a masonry fence to to buffer 4114 03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:12,960 the [snorts] residential as well. Those 4115 03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:15,040 are all things that are part of it. Uh 4116 03:25:15,040 --> 03:25:16,239 part of that text that hasn't been 4117 03:25:16,239 --> 03:25:18,160 changed and the new plan does conform to 4118 03:25:18,160 --> 03:25:21,520 all those uh requirements. Um as we 4119 03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:22,880 said, the parking has gone up just a 4120 03:25:22,880 --> 03:25:24,479 little bit. We're able to provide on 4121 03:25:24,479 --> 03:25:27,760 this new plan 277 spaces. Uh there was 4122 03:25:27,760 --> 03:25:29,600 some question about whether that was was 4123 03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:30,800 accurate or not in the planning 4124 03:25:30,800 --> 03:25:32,560 commission hearing. So I I vowed to 4125 03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:34,080 count those. I recounted them. It 4126 03:25:34,080 --> 03:25:36,319 actually came up with 279, but my eyes 4127 03:25:36,319 --> 03:25:37,760 were a little crosseyed by the time I 4128 03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:40,160 got to that number. So we're going to 4129 03:25:40,160 --> 03:25:42,160 take 277, leave it. I have not updated 4130 03:25:42,160 --> 03:25:44,160 that number, but there are a lot of 4131 03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:46,319 parking stalls in there. Um, this the 4132 03:25:46,319 --> 03:25:48,960 parking requirement in PD53 is slightly 4133 03:25:48,960 --> 03:25:50,960 light slightly less than than the C2 4134 03:25:50,960 --> 03:25:52,800 zoning. 250 is our normal number. It's 4135 03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:55,760 255 in this in this PD zone. Uh, well 4136 03:25:55,760 --> 03:25:58,000 overparked for it shouldn't be an issue. 4137 03:25:58,000 --> 03:26:00,399 Uh, this is just an an image of the of 4138 03:26:00,399 --> 03:26:01,600 the building itself, what it will look 4139 03:26:01,600 --> 03:26:03,120 like. We have state street standards for 4140 03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:04,560 building. You have to have so much glass 4141 03:26:04,560 --> 03:26:06,560 etc. It's uh it's got a lot of glass for 4142 03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:08,080 the building. A lot of a lot of sort of 4143 03:26:08,080 --> 03:26:09,359 relation to the streets. It's a nice 4144 03:26:09,359 --> 03:26:11,439 building with good roof lines. Um should 4145 03:26:11,439 --> 03:26:15,600 look good there. Um so we have uh one 4146 03:26:15,600 --> 03:26:17,040 more thing to show you just well if you 4147 03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:18,399 have any questions that the only thing 4148 03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:20,479 again that's significantly changing is 4149 03:26:20,479 --> 03:26:22,560 this building goes away the Allen's 4150 03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:27,200 grocery store. So um if if if that's um 4151 03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:29,040 that's one of the the outcomes that will 4152 03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:30,640 be part of this. It won't be two office 4153 03:26:30,640 --> 03:26:31,920 buildings anymore. There will be space 4154 03:26:31,920 --> 03:26:34,160 for more retail up here and uh out 4155 03:26:34,160 --> 03:26:37,040 parcel for some restaurant etc. But then 4156 03:26:37,040 --> 03:26:38,640 this would be home good or a homegoods 4157 03:26:38,640 --> 03:26:41,279 store instead of the threetory office 4158 03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:43,600 building pairs. Any questions about this 4159 03:26:43,600 --> 03:26:45,040 change of the concept plan? 4160 03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:46,479 >> Council, do you have any questions for 4161 03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:47,680 Mr. Hall? 4162 03:26:47,680 --> 03:26:49,600 >> I have one question. As I look at this 4163 03:26:49,600 --> 03:26:51,200 image here, the the building labeled 4164 03:26:51,200 --> 03:26:52,479 1950. 4165 03:26:52,479 --> 03:26:54,399 >> How does the setbacks against that back 4166 03:26:54,399 --> 03:26:56,479 fence compare to what is now being 4167 03:26:56,479 --> 03:26:57,840 suggested for the new? 4168 03:26:57,840 --> 03:26:59,439 >> They're very close right now. I I don't 4169 03:26:59,439 --> 03:27:00,640 know exactly how much closer they are, 4170 03:27:00,640 --> 03:27:01,600 but they're closer. 4171 03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:03,040 >> So essentially, you're basically just 4172 03:27:03,040 --> 03:27:04,399 replacing this building with a newer 4173 03:27:04,399 --> 03:27:07,680 updated one is the gist of it. That's a way of seeing it. Yeah. 4174 03:27:07,680 --> 03:27:09,120 >> Thank you. 4175 03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:11,920 >> Right. Anyone else? Oh, seeing none, 4176 03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:13,520 I'll invite the applicants to come up if 4177 03:27:13,520 --> 03:27:15,439 you'd like to add anything to what Mr. 4178 03:27:15,439 --> 03:27:16,800 Hall has said. If you come up and 4179 03:27:16,800 --> 03:27:24,070 introduce yourself, appreciate it. 4180 03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:25,840 My name is Dave Vincent. I'm with Neers 4181 03:27:25,840 --> 03:27:28,560 Bakery. We are very excited to redevelop 4182 03:27:28,560 --> 03:27:31,040 this area of the land uh forum. It's uh 4183 03:27:31,040 --> 03:27:32,239 something that I think will help the 4184 03:27:32,239 --> 03:27:34,080 community immensely. Um we've been 4185 03:27:34,080 --> 03:27:36,000 working on trying to get this plan to go 4186 03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:38,000 for the last several years and have 4187 03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:41,120 found that this is a much better option 4188 03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:43,760 um for us to get the project going and 4189 03:27:43,760 --> 03:27:45,279 moving along. We found a great partner 4190 03:27:45,279 --> 03:27:47,760 with Homeuilt um and we're very excited 4191 03:27:47,760 --> 03:27:49,120 to have them be part of the community as 4192 03:27:49,120 --> 03:27:50,640 well. I think one of the big questions 4193 03:27:50,640 --> 03:27:53,520 would be around who homebuilt is and 4194 03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:55,040 what they're trying to accomplish. So if 4195 03:27:55,040 --> 03:27:56,560 that's okay, I'll turn the time over to 4196 03:27:56,560 --> 03:27:58,319 Patrick from Homeuilt so he can explain 4197 03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:00,000 their concept. 4198 03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:01,200 >> Thank you Dave. 4199 03:28:01,200 --> 03:28:04,399 >> Yeah. So, good morning or good evening. 4200 03:28:04,399 --> 03:28:06,000 Uh, my name is Patrick. I'm here on 4201 03:28:06,000 --> 03:28:08,160 behalf of Homebuilt Hardware and Design. 4202 03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:09,359 Um, I know that you had mentioned it's 4203 03:28:09,359 --> 03:28:10,800 kind of a homegoods store. It's more of 4204 03:28:10,800 --> 03:28:13,040 a a hardware and design center. It's a 4205 03:28:13,040 --> 03:28:14,319 hardware store that also has an 4206 03:28:14,319 --> 03:28:16,399 accessible design center that's more 4207 03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:19,359 appropriately priced for um, I'd say 4208 03:28:19,359 --> 03:28:21,920 everyday members versus a high-end uh, 4209 03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:23,760 design center. Homebuilt is the newest 4210 03:28:23,760 --> 03:28:25,439 concept from the Clyde Companies. The 4211 03:28:25,439 --> 03:28:26,880 Cloud Companies is a family-owned 4212 03:28:26,880 --> 03:28:28,960 business um based right here in Oram and 4213 03:28:28,960 --> 03:28:31,040 has been in the area building, you know, 4214 03:28:31,040 --> 03:28:32,560 the state of Utah for the last hundred 4215 03:28:32,560 --> 03:28:34,239 years. This is a project that we've been 4216 03:28:34,239 --> 03:28:37,040 working on for the last 16 months I've 4217 03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:38,960 been a part of it. Um of planning really 4218 03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:40,960 what this could be, what the offering 4219 03:28:40,960 --> 03:28:42,239 would be and how it would meet the needs 4220 03:28:42,239 --> 03:28:43,760 that don't really exist in the market 4221 03:28:43,760 --> 03:28:47,040 right now. Um as it stands in hardware, 4222 03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:48,479 you have big box chains that take an 4223 03:28:48,479 --> 03:28:50,399 hour to get in and out of and rarely you 4224 03:28:50,399 --> 03:28:51,760 find what you're actually looking for. 4225 03:28:51,760 --> 03:28:53,439 or you have really small places that you 4226 03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:54,640 don't necessarily know are they going to 4227 03:28:54,640 --> 03:28:56,560 have what you need. This is looking to 4228 03:28:56,560 --> 03:28:58,319 combine 4229 03:28:58,319 --> 03:29:01,840 um skilled people that can help solve 4230 03:29:01,840 --> 03:29:03,520 your problems while you're shopping with 4231 03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:05,359 an elevated experience. If you think 4232 03:29:05,359 --> 03:29:06,960 about what Trader Joe's did grocery, 4233 03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:07,920 that's what we're looking to do with 4234 03:29:07,920 --> 03:29:09,600 hardware. It's making an elevated 4235 03:29:09,600 --> 03:29:11,760 experience that is really fun to shop 4236 03:29:11,760 --> 03:29:14,640 at. Um I know that we were able to cover 4237 03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:15,840 a lot of the questions that we've heard 4238 03:29:15,840 --> 03:29:17,359 in the past and in some of these 4239 03:29:17,359 --> 03:29:19,040 meetings in the community meeting. Just 4240 03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:21,120 a few other points that in case anyone 4241 03:29:21,120 --> 03:29:22,319 else has these questions. The height of 4242 03:29:22,319 --> 03:29:24,479 the building is 39 ft at the front. It's 4243 03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:27,760 23 feet at the back. There's a 46 foot 4244 03:29:27,760 --> 03:29:30,640 45T 6 in sorry uh set back from the back 4245 03:29:30,640 --> 03:29:31,920 which I do believe is further than the 4246 03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:35,200 current Allen's building. Um there would 4247 03:29:35,200 --> 03:29:36,720 be a seven foot masonry wall along with 4248 03:29:36,720 --> 03:29:38,479 the code that we have and lighting we're 4249 03:29:38,479 --> 03:29:40,160 still working on but it has come up from 4250 03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:41,359 the community members and it's something 4251 03:29:41,359 --> 03:29:42,560 we're committed to working on them with 4252 03:29:42,560 --> 03:29:44,560 to make sure that it's addressing any 4253 03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:47,200 concerns they have with you know the 4254 03:29:47,200 --> 03:29:48,640 setbacks being somewhat close to the 4255 03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:51,279 houses behind. Um but this is something 4256 03:29:51,279 --> 03:29:52,800 we're really excited about. We're based 4257 03:29:52,800 --> 03:29:54,080 right here in Oram. This is the first of 4258 03:29:54,080 --> 03:29:55,760 three that we're going to open next year 4259 03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:58,000 ideally with your permission. Um and 4260 03:29:58,000 --> 03:29:58,960 it's really going to be the flagship 4261 03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:00,560 store that we have uh for this home 4262 03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:02,640 build idea. 4263 03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:04,160 >> All right. Thank you. Um, council 4264 03:30:04,160 --> 03:30:07,200 members, do you have any questions? 4265 03:30:07,200 --> 03:30:08,960 >> All right, seeing I 4266 03:30:08,960 --> 03:30:10,399 >> mayor, I have one if it's okay. 4267 03:30:10,399 --> 03:30:12,399 >> Oh, okay. I hear a voice. 4268 03:30:12,399 --> 03:30:13,439 >> Yeah, [laughter] scared me. 4269 03:30:13,439 --> 03:30:16,479 >> Okay, council member Mikum, I apologize. 4270 03:30:16,479 --> 03:30:17,680 >> Yeah, no worries. 4271 03:30:17,680 --> 03:30:19,359 >> Go ahead. 4272 03:30:19,359 --> 03:30:21,680 Um I I know this has come up at planning 4273 03:30:21,680 --> 03:30:24,399 commission and others, but um uh because 4274 03:30:24,399 --> 03:30:28,239 it it is near a residential uh zone. 4275 03:30:28,239 --> 03:30:30,080 Just wondering if you could specify a 4276 03:30:30,080 --> 03:30:32,160 little bit more of what you plan to do 4277 03:30:32,160 --> 03:30:34,479 to mitigate noise and light. I think 4278 03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:37,840 those are two issues that that people uh 4279 03:30:37,840 --> 03:30:40,160 have some remaining concerns about. 4280 03:30:40,160 --> 03:30:41,840 >> Yeah, of course. So for mitigating 4281 03:30:41,840 --> 03:30:43,040 noise, as you mentioned, we have a 4282 03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:44,800 depressed loading dock. We've also put a 4283 03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:46,720 concrete or masonry wall between the 4284 03:30:46,720 --> 03:30:48,560 loading dock and the building so that 4285 03:30:48,560 --> 03:30:51,279 it's going to go into a depressed tunnel 4286 03:30:51,279 --> 03:30:52,960 almost that's going to have a masonry 4287 03:30:52,960 --> 03:30:54,560 wall in addition to another masonry wall 4288 03:30:54,560 --> 03:30:55,760 at the back of the building which will 4289 03:30:55,760 --> 03:30:58,239 really help and um evidence points to a 4290 03:30:58,239 --> 03:30:59,680 bunch of retailers that do this that it 4291 03:30:59,680 --> 03:31:01,439 really helps mitigate noise. 4292 03:31:01,439 --> 03:31:03,120 Additionally, we're going to have an 4293 03:31:03,120 --> 03:31:04,800 indoor area for pickup where if you go 4294 03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:06,399 to Home Depot, trucks are parked 4295 03:31:06,399 --> 03:31:07,920 outside. We're gonna have a drive-thru 4296 03:31:07,920 --> 03:31:09,600 where a garage door opens and we'll load 4297 03:31:09,600 --> 03:31:11,760 your truck for you and then a garage 4298 03:31:11,760 --> 03:31:13,200 door opens on the backside and you drive 4299 03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:15,600 out. So really trying to make sure that 4300 03:31:15,600 --> 03:31:17,120 we are good stewards of the community 4301 03:31:17,120 --> 03:31:18,800 that we're entering and really take into 4302 03:31:18,800 --> 03:31:21,600 consideration how do we minimize noise 4303 03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:23,600 as it comes to lighting. We're open to 4304 03:31:23,600 --> 03:31:25,120 any measures that you all recommend 4305 03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:27,120 whether it's down lighting or cut offs 4306 03:31:27,120 --> 03:31:29,040 in line with the code and that would 4307 03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:30,960 help um satisfy the neighbors that we 4308 03:31:30,960 --> 03:31:33,439 have behind us. 4309 03:31:33,439 --> 03:31:36,319 >> Okay. Thank you. And so I would assume 4310 03:31:36,319 --> 03:31:38,399 that the staff I would we would leave 4311 03:31:38,399 --> 03:31:40,880 that to the our plan our community 4312 03:31:40,880 --> 03:31:41,760 development staff. 4313 03:31:41,760 --> 03:31:43,359 >> It's it's a good it's a good moment to 4314 03:31:43,359 --> 03:31:45,439 insert the thing I forgot to say. I 4315 03:31:45,439 --> 03:31:47,279 never leave you with everything at once. 4316 03:31:47,279 --> 03:31:47,840 I like to 4317 03:31:47,840 --> 03:31:49,680 >> you leave us in suspense. Yes. Thank 4318 03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:50,239 you. 4319 03:31:50,239 --> 03:31:52,720 >> One more. Um this will go if if it's 4320 03:31:52,720 --> 03:31:54,399 approved for the change. This is the 4321 03:31:54,399 --> 03:31:56,319 concept plan, but it has to match a site 4322 03:31:56,319 --> 03:31:57,680 plan that gets approved through the 4323 03:31:57,680 --> 03:31:59,040 planning division for the planning 4324 03:31:59,040 --> 03:32:00,800 commission's process. So things like 4325 03:32:00,800 --> 03:32:03,520 phototric plans and things have to be uh 4326 03:32:03,520 --> 03:32:05,359 part of those submitts. So we we'll use 4327 03:32:05,359 --> 03:32:06,800 cutoff lighting or down directed 4328 03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:08,000 lighting to make sure there's zero bleed 4329 03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:09,520 at property lines and glare and all that 4330 03:32:09,520 --> 03:32:11,680 stuff. Part of that site plan will pull 4331 03:32:11,680 --> 03:32:15,359 up council. Um pull up the concept plan. 4332 03:32:15,359 --> 03:32:15,760 >> Oh, 4333 03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:18,479 >> if you would for the screen. Yeah, 4334 03:32:18,479 --> 03:32:19,439 >> the site. Um 4335 03:32:19,439 --> 03:32:20,720 >> let me get to the big one. There's a big 4336 03:32:20,720 --> 03:32:22,800 version, right? Well, there's that 4337 03:32:22,800 --> 03:32:24,319 version. That's There we go. Probably 4338 03:32:24,319 --> 03:32:29,190 that one. Yeah. Thank you. 4339 03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:30,800 And 4340 03:32:30,800 --> 03:32:32,000 Oh, you don't have any. You just you 4341 03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:32,319 wanted 4342 03:32:32,319 --> 03:32:33,520 >> I just wanted to I thought this is a 4343 03:32:33,520 --> 03:32:34,720 better representation of what we're 4344 03:32:34,720 --> 03:32:35,359 talking about. 4345 03:32:35,359 --> 03:32:36,720 >> Oh, okay. I thought you had a question. 4346 03:32:36,720 --> 03:32:38,880 >> The prior the prior zone and now the new 4347 03:32:38,880 --> 03:32:40,080 one that you're asking for is on the 4348 03:32:40,080 --> 03:32:42,080 right with a different concept. 4349 03:32:42,080 --> 03:32:42,560 >> Thank you. 4350 03:32:42,560 --> 03:32:44,000 >> And one thing I'll note and I should 4351 03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:46,239 probably not offer more information than 4352 03:32:46,239 --> 03:32:47,920 that, but if you see the dotted line 4353 03:32:47,920 --> 03:32:50,160 behind uh the orange building, that is 4354 03:32:50,160 --> 03:32:51,520 the current line of the Allen's 4355 03:32:51,520 --> 03:32:53,520 building. So, it is a bit more I don't 4356 03:32:53,520 --> 03:32:55,040 have the exact number, but it is further 4357 03:32:55,040 --> 03:32:55,520 away. 4358 03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:57,359 >> Yeah. 4359 03:32:57,359 --> 03:33:00,239 >> Great. Thank you. And thank you for 4360 03:33:00,239 --> 03:33:03,127 eliminating that suspense, Mr. Hall. 4361 03:33:03,127 --> 03:33:05,040 [sighs and gasps] It is a public hearing 4362 03:33:05,040 --> 03:33:06,720 and so I would like to open the public 4363 03:33:06,720 --> 03:33:08,367 hearing. If there's anyone who would 4364 03:33:08,367 --> 03:33:10,720 [gasps] like to speak to this item on 4365 03:33:10,720 --> 03:33:12,960 the agenda, I invite you to come forward 4366 03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:14,560 and introduce yourself and you'll have 4367 03:33:14,560 --> 03:33:21,990 up to three minutes. 4368 03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:25,359 Good evening, Council Mayor Mccandas. 4369 03:33:25,359 --> 03:33:28,399 I'm Marian Baxter and I really I was 4370 03:33:28,399 --> 03:33:30,560 unaware of this on the agenda this 4371 03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:34,239 evening. I would like to thank Homebuild 4372 03:33:34,239 --> 03:33:37,600 and the proposal that's coming up for 4373 03:33:37,600 --> 03:33:40,800 light pollution mitigation and noise 4374 03:33:40,800 --> 03:33:43,840 mitigation. What he just described I 4375 03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:46,479 have never really seen other than at 4376 03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:48,399 Harmon's grocery store where you can 4377 03:33:48,399 --> 03:33:50,239 pull through and be loaded your 4378 03:33:50,239 --> 03:33:52,640 groceries loaded. So I'm very grateful 4379 03:33:52,640 --> 03:33:55,760 for that. light pollution is we have 4380 03:33:55,760 --> 03:33:59,680 growth going around a very tight area 4381 03:33:59,680 --> 03:34:02,800 from the mountains to where Utah Lake 4382 03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:05,359 sits. So we get to deal with some 4383 03:34:05,359 --> 03:34:07,680 density issues throughout Utah County 4384 03:34:07,680 --> 03:34:11,279 that are very unique. And with the 4385 03:34:11,279 --> 03:34:15,279 growth of Provo Airport, we literally 4386 03:34:15,279 --> 03:34:18,720 have issues with how do you manage the 4387 03:34:18,720 --> 03:34:20,960 wildlife? We don't want to decimate them 4388 03:34:20,960 --> 03:34:24,160 all. you know the birds, the the 4389 03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:30,479 ecosystems. So everything that deals we are living in a very integrated 4390 03:34:30,479 --> 03:34:34,080 landscape and the light matters and the 4391 03:34:34,080 --> 03:34:36,960 noise matters and the pollution matters 4392 03:34:36,960 --> 03:34:40,239 for even the human beings. [laughter] 4393 03:34:40,239 --> 03:34:43,359 So I also because I had a moment here, I 4394 03:34:43,359 --> 03:34:45,520 did not get here in time to sign up for 4395 03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:48,399 the public comment initially and I would 4396 03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:50,720 like to draw some attention to our 4397 03:34:50,720 --> 03:34:53,200 police officers and the outreach that 4398 03:34:53,200 --> 03:34:56,160 they're doing in public coming to the 4399 03:34:56,160 --> 03:34:58,880 public parks. I was honored to attend 4400 03:34:58,880 --> 03:35:01,840 the Cherry Hill Park gathering and we 4401 03:35:01,840 --> 03:35:05,200 had wild window wind and several of the 4402 03:35:05,200 --> 03:35:07,040 council members and the mayor were there 4403 03:35:07,040 --> 03:35:09,680 and the police officers and we all 4404 03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:12,319 stayed safe even with the elements going 4405 03:35:12,319 --> 03:35:14,640 kind of wild that night. I would like to 4406 03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:19,760 comment on Pete's or Peter's um REIT 4407 03:35:19,760 --> 03:35:22,960 outreach and I did not know until that 4408 03:35:22,960 --> 03:35:25,920 evening that we can send texts to ORM 4409 03:35:25,920 --> 03:35:28,160 city and we're spreading the word and 4410 03:35:28,160 --> 03:35:31,040 I'd like to see a higher profile that 4411 03:35:31,040 --> 03:35:33,600 when you see something a buckled 4412 03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:37,200 sidewalk or a pothole or even a positive 4413 03:35:37,200 --> 03:35:40,800 thing happening you can send a text now. 4414 03:35:40,800 --> 03:35:43,040 Hallelujah. That's a great use of 4415 03:35:43,040 --> 03:35:46,160 technology. So, thank you for being able 4416 03:35:46,160 --> 03:35:48,800 to do a mixed message here. Hope it was 4417 03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:52,800 clear. And um Homebuilt, good luck. I 4418 03:35:52,800 --> 03:35:55,200 hope it goes well. 4419 03:35:55,200 --> 03:35:55,840 >> Thank you. 4420 03:35:55,840 --> 03:35:58,239 There's anyone else who would 4421 03:35:58,239 --> 03:36:00,080 like to speak 4422 03:36:00,080 --> 03:36:02,479 to this? Welcome. And please introduce 4423 03:36:02,479 --> 03:36:04,800 yourself and you'll have up to three 4424 03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:06,160 minutes. 4425 03:36:06,160 --> 03:36:08,640 >> Keith Walker and I live behind this 4426 03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:12,080 property. Um, a couple questions. I just 4427 03:36:12,080 --> 03:36:13,439 share a couple thoughts. It was two 4428 03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:15,520 years and three months ago. He said it 4429 03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:17,359 was in February, but it was for the city 4430 03:36:17,359 --> 03:36:20,080 council in April that we were here for 4431 03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:23,120 this same piece of property. And why are 4432 03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:25,920 we here now again? They walked out happy 4433 03:36:25,920 --> 03:36:27,920 as can be and they went down the road. 4434 03:36:27,920 --> 03:36:31,200 Now we're back again for the same thing. 4435 03:36:31,200 --> 03:36:32,960 The only reason we're here that this is 4436 03:36:32,960 --> 03:36:35,520 going to succeed is because WW Clyde has 4437 03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:36,960 stepped in and been a part of this 4438 03:36:36,960 --> 03:36:40,800 project. As I met with Jiren Hall two 4439 03:36:40,800 --> 03:36:42,800 weeks ago, he was under the impression 4440 03:36:42,800 --> 03:36:44,880 that WW Clyde had purchased this 4441 03:36:44,880 --> 03:36:47,279 property. My understanding and comments 4442 03:36:47,279 --> 03:36:49,359 to them and to home built that is not 4443 03:36:49,359 --> 03:36:51,760 the case. So, we still have the problem 4444 03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:54,319 with neers owning the property that's 4445 03:36:54,319 --> 03:36:58,720 gone on for a long period of time. Uh 4446 03:36:58,720 --> 03:37:00,239 question in the planning meeting that 4447 03:37:00,239 --> 03:37:03,760 they approve the DOT approval on the 4448 03:37:03,760 --> 03:37:08,640 access on State Street. Uh [snorts] 4449 03:37:08,640 --> 03:37:11,439 uh also a question for the the council 4450 03:37:11,439 --> 03:37:12,640 to consider and I know it probably 4451 03:37:12,640 --> 03:37:14,800 doesn't fall into this but two years ago 4452 03:37:14,800 --> 03:37:17,600 the city council made adjustments in 4453 03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:20,319 this property to allow these guys for 4454 03:37:20,319 --> 03:37:23,680 more parking. They needed 347 4455 03:37:23,680 --> 03:37:26,479 parking places originally and now they 4456 03:37:26,479 --> 03:37:28,319 and I know you said this different they 4457 03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:30,960 this is less than it was which is fine 4458 03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:36,870 but they made counselow 4459 03:37:36,880 --> 03:37:38,800 this to go through. It might not apply 4460 03:37:38,800 --> 03:37:40,319 to you but just to think do you want to 4461 03:37:40,319 --> 03:37:42,800 allow those setbacks still to be in in 4462 03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:46,479 place? um 4463 03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:48,239 handicapped on this property there's 4464 03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:50,479 nine on the on the property that's 4465 03:37:50,479 --> 03:37:52,319 presented on the drawing there's nine 4466 03:37:52,319 --> 03:37:54,000 handicap stalls. I don't know what the 4467 03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:56,239 regulation is. I'm not in favor but I 4468 03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:57,520 just question if that's the right 4469 03:37:57,520 --> 03:38:00,720 amount. Uh, the other thing I'd like to 4470 03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:02,479 draw your attention to on this plan is 4471 03:38:02,479 --> 03:38:04,399 on the north end of the plan, on the 4472 03:38:04,399 --> 03:38:06,880 south end of the plan, I'm sorry, on the 4473 03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:09,200 south end of the plan, the one 4474 03:38:09,200 --> 03:38:11,520 drive-thru goes to iDrive property, and 4475 03:38:11,520 --> 03:38:13,600 that's been in existence the whole time. 4476 03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:16,560 It's had to be there. They have 4477 03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:18,080 positioned this restaurant and 4478 03:38:18,080 --> 03:38:20,640 drive-thru in that entrance way to the 4479 03:38:20,640 --> 03:38:23,680 drive to go to North to ID Drive. that 4480 03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:25,359 the part of that restaurant and that 4481 03:38:25,359 --> 03:38:27,680 curb out at the front, that first curb 4482 03:38:27,680 --> 03:38:30,319 with green is in half or better of that 4483 03:38:30,319 --> 03:38:32,640 driveway through. I don't think that's a 4484 03:38:32,640 --> 03:38:34,800 good situation. That's just my thought 4485 03:38:34,800 --> 03:38:37,200 on that to improve it. Uh the other one 4486 03:38:37,200 --> 03:38:39,040 is on the north end of the property. 4487 03:38:39,040 --> 03:38:42,000 They put a drive a drive-thru lane on 4488 03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:44,000 that building on the north on the north 4489 03:38:44,000 --> 03:38:46,640 side of that. The way that looks, 4490 03:38:46,640 --> 03:38:49,279 they've got a place for roughly two 4491 03:38:49,279 --> 03:38:51,840 cars, maybe three at the very most in 4492 03:38:51,840 --> 03:38:54,160 that drive-thru lane. If not, they're 4493 03:38:54,160 --> 03:38:55,680 going to back up into that entrance in 4494 03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:56,960 the property. I don't know what they 4495 03:38:56,960 --> 03:38:58,399 plan on putting there, but I don't think 4496 03:38:58,399 --> 03:39:01,040 a twocar drive up is enough unless it 4497 03:39:01,040 --> 03:39:03,200 was something, you know, a dry cleaner, 4498 03:39:03,200 --> 03:39:04,640 something that was very light. And 4499 03:39:04,640 --> 03:39:06,319 they've talked about that once. So, 4500 03:39:06,319 --> 03:39:07,920 that's another question I have on the 4501 03:39:07,920 --> 03:39:10,160 plan. The other one was, uh, we've 4502 03:39:10,160 --> 03:39:12,560 talked about, uh, 4503 03:39:12,560 --> 03:39:15,120 rodent control. I was told tonight just 4504 03:39:15,120 --> 03:39:17,200 briefly that it was going to be started 4505 03:39:17,200 --> 03:39:20,239 tore down tomorrow and we've asked 4506 03:39:20,239 --> 03:39:22,560 repeatedly for that to happen. I know 4507 03:39:22,560 --> 03:39:24,239 you some of you were involved with Orm 4508 03:39:24,239 --> 03:39:26,319 High School and it was a disaster to the 4509 03:39:26,319 --> 03:39:28,479 neighbors when that tore down and I just 4510 03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:30,399 ask for your encouragement. We're not 4511 03:39:30,399 --> 03:39:31,760 necessarily opposed to it. We're 4512 03:39:31,760 --> 03:39:35,120 grateful for WW Clyde to step in and do 4513 03:39:35,120 --> 03:39:37,359 something with it as the city wants it 4514 03:39:37,359 --> 03:39:39,439 deal. We're still nervous what needers 4515 03:39:39,439 --> 03:39:40,800 will do with the rest of it though. 4516 03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:42,160 Thank you. 4517 03:39:42,160 --> 03:39:46,080 So, question. Um, I'm going 4518 03:39:46,080 --> 03:39:47,840 to ask Well, I'm going to ask Mr. Hall a 4519 03:39:47,840 --> 03:39:48,960 couple questions and then I'm going to 4520 03:39:48,960 --> 03:39:52,880 ask you about rodents. Wasn't just a 4521 03:39:52,880 --> 03:39:55,760 um and so you put the concept plan back 4522 03:39:55,760 --> 03:40:00,960 up. Um I'm curious what uh 4523 03:40:00,960 --> 03:40:04,720 what items on this concept plan um the 4524 03:40:04,720 --> 03:40:06,640 items that were brought up talk they 4525 03:40:06,640 --> 03:40:08,000 talk about the different drive-throughs 4526 03:40:08,000 --> 03:40:09,840 and the number of the parking and some 4527 03:40:09,840 --> 03:40:12,080 of those things will that 4528 03:40:12,080 --> 03:40:14,239 will those be looked at more closely at 4529 03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:16,800 site plan the the things this gentleman 4530 03:40:16,800 --> 03:40:20,000 >> they they can be um site plans the the 4531 03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:21,520 site plan will be reviewed more 4532 03:40:21,520 --> 03:40:23,439 meticulously than the concept plan but 4533 03:40:23,439 --> 03:40:24,720 because we have access to more 4534 03:40:24,720 --> 03:40:28,960 information better uh better civils from the other side, from the developer 4535 03:40:28,960 --> 03:40:31,680 side. However, the concept plan in this 4536 03:40:31,680 --> 03:40:34,000 case is pretty complete. We've looked at 4537 03:40:34,000 --> 03:40:36,000 some of those drive accesses. So, a lot 4538 03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:38,000 of those would stay in the same place. 4539 03:40:38,000 --> 03:40:38,319 Okay. 4540 03:40:38,319 --> 03:40:40,960 >> Um the one question 4541 03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:42,720 >> about and these have been approved 4542 03:40:42,720 --> 03:40:44,960 before by UD do. So, we're we're 4543 03:40:44,960 --> 03:40:46,720 expecting them to to receive their UD do 4544 03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:48,880 permit as part of that process. But 4545 03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:50,960 again, drive-throughs like this exiting, 4546 03:40:50,960 --> 03:40:52,560 if I'm understanding correctly, this is 4547 03:40:52,560 --> 03:40:53,840 the concern is there's not a lot of 4548 03:40:53,840 --> 03:40:55,200 space to stack. 4549 03:40:55,200 --> 03:40:57,200 >> Yeah. there. Yeah, right there. 4550 03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,840 >> Um, yeah. So, those we we'll look at 4551 03:40:59,840 --> 03:41:01,040 those for certain. We have 4552 03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:02,960 transportation engineering folks that'll 4553 03:41:02,960 --> 03:41:04,239 look at them. 4554 03:41:04,239 --> 03:41:05,680 >> Okay. We don't want Yeah, because we 4555 03:41:05,680 --> 03:41:08,960 don't want it to back out on into the road. 4556 03:41:08,960 --> 03:41:10,880 >> All right. Thank you. And would you mind 4557 03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:12,560 addressing as you proceed with 4558 03:41:12,560 --> 03:41:16,560 demolition about the how how to uh help 4559 03:41:16,560 --> 03:41:19,200 the neighbors as as there might be some 4560 03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:21,279 current residents in those that building 4561 03:41:21,279 --> 03:41:23,120 that will be looking for a new home? 4562 03:41:23,120 --> 03:41:24,720 >> Yeah. And I I totally understand his 4563 03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:26,720 fear. I've heard about the what he's 4564 03:41:26,720 --> 03:41:28,880 referencing. So Dave and team have been 4565 03:41:28,880 --> 03:41:30,000 in there clearing out that building for 4566 03:41:30,000 --> 03:41:31,279 the last better part of a month, I 4567 03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:32,319 believe, and they have not seen 4568 03:41:32,319 --> 03:41:33,680 anything. I don't want to speak for you, 4569 03:41:33,680 --> 03:41:35,840 but I believe that's correct. Um we're 4570 03:41:35,840 --> 03:41:38,160 working with um Grandma K to tear down 4571 03:41:38,160 --> 03:41:39,920 the building and we'll work with them on 4572 03:41:39,920 --> 03:41:42,160 any remediation efforts if anything is 4573 03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:44,880 seen in the building until it really 4574 03:41:44,880 --> 03:41:46,880 comes. Unfortunately, I don't know 4575 03:41:46,880 --> 03:41:49,200 there's much that we could do until we 4576 03:41:49,200 --> 03:41:50,319 actually see something. 4577 03:41:50,319 --> 03:41:52,560 >> Yeah, that makes sense. But we're 4578 03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:54,160 >> just being in communication with Yeah. 4579 03:41:54,160 --> 03:41:57,200 with him as far as as that. I just 4580 03:41:57,200 --> 03:41:59,200 remember when the when the orchards near 4581 03:41:59,200 --> 03:42:01,040 my home were developed, 4582 03:42:01,040 --> 03:42:04,080 >> we we had a lot of new residents, little 4583 03:42:04,080 --> 03:42:06,880 tiny little furry guys, cute little 4584 03:42:06,880 --> 03:42:08,479 furry friends arrive. 4585 03:42:08,479 --> 03:42:10,960 >> We, as I've said before, our goal is to 4586 03:42:10,960 --> 03:42:14,239 be a very good member of this community, 4587 03:42:14,239 --> 03:42:16,880 and we have no intention of letting 4588 03:42:16,880 --> 03:42:17,920 critters escape. [laughter] 4589 03:42:17,920 --> 03:42:19,520 >> And I'm not implying that the building 4590 03:42:19,520 --> 03:42:20,960 has critters right now. Yeah, 4591 03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:23,279 >> please know that it's just that's a 4592 03:42:23,279 --> 03:42:25,279 concern I think for when when one does 4593 03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:27,920 redevelopment or a development is is the 4594 03:42:27,920 --> 03:42:30,560 that um animal impact on the neighbor on 4595 03:42:30,560 --> 03:42:31,279 the 4596 03:42:31,279 --> 03:42:33,120 >> I've heard the concern from him and I I 4597 03:42:33,120 --> 03:42:34,960 I've heard of you know the stories from 4598 03:42:34,960 --> 03:42:37,439 before and Dave and the rest of my team 4599 03:42:37,439 --> 03:42:39,439 here like this to make sure that we're 4600 03:42:39,439 --> 03:42:41,760 on top of it um last week. 4601 03:42:41,760 --> 03:42:42,399 >> Thank you. 4602 03:42:42,399 --> 03:42:43,279 >> Can I ask a good question? 4603 03:42:43,279 --> 03:42:44,239 >> Yes. Um council, 4604 03:42:44,239 --> 03:42:45,439 >> so what is your timeline for 4605 03:42:45,439 --> 03:42:47,200 construction? You say you're gonna 4606 03:42:47,200 --> 03:42:49,439 demolition is 4607 03:42:49,439 --> 03:42:50,080 pending. 4608 03:42:50,080 --> 03:42:52,960 >> Demolition is scheduled for 3 PM 4609 03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:54,800 tomorrow if anyone's interested uh to 4610 03:42:54,800 --> 03:42:55,520 start. 4611 03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:58,640 >> And then construction is we are already 4612 03:42:58,640 --> 03:43:00,399 going through the process. Once this is 4613 03:43:00,399 --> 03:43:02,720 submitted, we are already ready to go 4614 03:43:02,720 --> 03:43:05,680 through the site plan um submission 4615 03:43:05,680 --> 03:43:07,520 process and building pro process. Our 4616 03:43:07,520 --> 03:43:08,960 goal is to open this as soon as 4617 03:43:08,960 --> 03:43:10,000 physically possible. 4618 03:43:10,000 --> 03:43:11,120 >> Okay. Thank you. 4619 03:43:11,120 --> 03:43:14,720 >> Thank you. Um is there anybody else? I 4620 03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:16,000 guess the public hearing is still open. 4621 03:43:16,000 --> 03:43:17,120 Is there anyone else who would like 4622 03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:18,960 Okay, if you please come up and 4623 03:43:18,960 --> 03:43:21,120 introduce yourself and you will have up 4624 03:43:21,120 --> 03:43:25,040 to three minutes. Welcome. 4625 03:43:25,040 --> 03:43:26,479 >> Thank you, city council members. I'm 4626 03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:28,479 Wayne Barney. Um lived here in this 4627 03:43:28,479 --> 03:43:31,120 neighborhood for 33 years. Um lived 4628 03:43:31,120 --> 03:43:32,960 directly behind it. Uh grateful for the 4629 03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:35,120 Clyde company to come up because we have 4630 03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:37,520 been through this for probably 20 plus 4631 03:43:37,520 --> 03:43:38,720 years trying to figure out what was 4632 03:43:38,720 --> 03:43:40,720 going to go on. Uh the iDrive people 4633 03:43:40,720 --> 03:43:41,840 have been good neighbors. We've 4634 03:43:41,840 --> 03:43:43,760 appreciated that. Uh the one thing is 4635 03:43:43,760 --> 03:43:45,600 and I've shown the the gentleman here 4636 03:43:45,600 --> 03:43:48,080 that are with neers currently there are 4637 03:43:48,080 --> 03:43:50,080 probably 3 to four foot of grass that's 4638 03:43:50,080 --> 03:43:51,760 out there and those little neighbors 4639 03:43:51,760 --> 03:43:53,680 that you're talking about two things. 4640 03:43:53,680 --> 03:43:55,199 One they'll come from that but two I'm 4641 03:43:55,199 --> 03:43:57,120 worried about the fire danger because I 4642 03:43:57,120 --> 03:43:58,720 think in the last two years they've not 4643 03:43:58,720 --> 03:44:01,359 cut the grass at all. Um but right now 4644 03:44:01,359 --> 03:44:02,640 and I they were very good. I was just 4645 03:44:02,640 --> 03:44:03,600 talking with them and showed them and 4646 03:44:03,600 --> 03:44:05,040 said hey before you start that 4647 03:44:05,040 --> 03:44:07,120 demolition tomorrow let's let's do some 4648 03:44:07,120 --> 03:44:09,600 preparation here. Um in the back alley 4649 03:44:09,600 --> 03:44:11,120 it's full of garbage. Homeless people 4650 03:44:11,120 --> 03:44:12,640 have been living back there. trees are 4651 03:44:12,640 --> 03:44:14,960 overgrown into the neighbors trees. If 4652 03:44:14,960 --> 03:44:16,720 you start ripping that building down, my 4653 03:44:16,720 --> 03:44:18,800 dad was the fire chief of Provo City for 4654 03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:21,840 a long time and and uh there is a lot of 4655 03:44:21,840 --> 03:44:23,600 danger out there and it goes right up to 4656 03:44:23,600 --> 03:44:25,120 our fences and there's wood fences. 4657 03:44:25,120 --> 03:44:27,520 Those fences go right up to our homes. I 4658 03:44:27,520 --> 03:44:28,720 don't think they should be able to start 4659 03:44:28,720 --> 03:44:30,080 ripping it down unless they've done some 4660 03:44:30,080 --> 03:44:33,359 preparation. Clean the fields out. Get a weed eater in there. Clean 4661 03:44:33,359 --> 03:44:36,800 everything out. that back lobby or that 4662 03:44:36,800 --> 03:44:38,399 back alleyway that's just directly 4663 03:44:38,399 --> 03:44:40,960 behind U Keith Walker's home is filled 4664 03:44:40,960 --> 03:44:42,880 with trash and tents and homeless stuff 4665 03:44:42,880 --> 03:44:45,760 that it comes there every year and in 4666 03:44:45,760 --> 03:44:46,960 order to be able to do that and to be 4667 03:44:46,960 --> 03:44:48,239 safe I think they actually just need to 4668 03:44:48,239 --> 03:44:49,520 do that and those rodents that you're 4669 03:44:49,520 --> 03:44:51,279 talking about they're living in that 4670 03:44:51,279 --> 03:44:54,399 back alley um believe me uh we have we 4671 03:44:54,399 --> 03:44:55,520 had chickens out there and so we would 4672 03:44:55,520 --> 03:44:57,040 set traps and they would come along the 4673 03:44:57,040 --> 03:44:58,800 fences and and there's a lot of rodents 4674 03:44:58,800 --> 03:45:00,800 out there so two things one fire 4675 03:45:00,800 --> 03:45:02,640 mitigation okay it's very important they 4676 03:45:02,640 --> 03:45:04,080 shouldn't start this process as they 4677 03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:05,760 have buildings going down and sparks 4678 03:45:05,760 --> 03:45:07,199 flying because they're cutting things 4679 03:45:07,199 --> 03:45:09,760 until they're prepared. Uh and so um 4680 03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:11,359 just learned it was 3:00 tomorrow. They 4681 03:45:11,359 --> 03:45:12,560 were very good to talk with and I said, 4682 03:45:12,560 --> 03:45:14,960 "Please, please, please don't do this 4683 03:45:14,960 --> 03:45:17,600 without some thought. Um uh we've lived 4684 03:45:17,600 --> 03:45:18,960 there. We've raised our family there for 4685 03:45:18,960 --> 03:45:20,560 the last 31 years. We want to be good 4686 03:45:20,560 --> 03:45:22,640 neighbors, but we want them and we'll 4687 03:45:22,640 --> 03:45:24,000 hold them accountable to being good 4688 03:45:24,000 --> 03:45:26,160 neighbors, too. Believe me, uh we're 4689 03:45:26,160 --> 03:45:27,199 going to have some problems with 4690 03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:29,279 rodents, but more importantly, I'd like 4691 03:45:29,279 --> 03:45:30,720 them to be prepared. But I know the the 4692 03:45:30,720 --> 03:45:32,319 fire marshall's over here and if you 4693 03:45:32,319 --> 03:45:33,439 went looked at I was showing him 4694 03:45:33,439 --> 03:45:35,120 pictures there are weeds that are above 4695 03:45:35,120 --> 03:45:37,439 my waist and they go right up to the 4696 03:45:37,439 --> 03:45:39,760 fence and uh I could throw a match out 4697 03:45:39,760 --> 03:45:40,960 there and that whole field would go 4698 03:45:40,960 --> 03:45:42,560 tomorrow. Obviously don't want to do 4699 03:45:42,560 --> 03:45:43,840 that. Grateful that we didn't have 4700 03:45:43,840 --> 03:45:45,760 fireworks this year everybody even 4701 03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:47,279 though I love fireworks. I thought that 4702 03:45:47,279 --> 03:45:50,239 was a smart thing to do. But um I think 4703 03:45:50,239 --> 03:45:51,520 everything else other than that they've 4704 03:45:51,520 --> 03:45:52,720 done a pretty good job coming back with 4705 03:45:52,720 --> 03:45:55,279 this program. But please uh let's be 4706 03:45:55,279 --> 03:45:56,960 safe. And I was going to ask the fire 4707 03:45:56,960 --> 03:45:58,479 marsh who I call to be able to have them 4708 03:45:58,479 --> 03:45:59,760 come look at it before they start doing 4709 03:45:59,760 --> 03:46:02,479 it because it is a fire hazard right now 4710 03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:04,399 and it's dead and dry. And I just ask 4711 03:46:04,399 --> 03:46:07,760 them to consider that. Thank you. 4712 03:46:07,760 --> 03:46:09,439 >> So sir, it sounds like you've got maybe 4713 03:46:09,439 --> 03:46:11,600 something on your to-do list before from 4714 03:46:11,600 --> 03:46:14,880 7:00 a.m. to 2:45 p.m. tomorrow. 4715 03:46:14,880 --> 03:46:16,720 >> You got that down? Okay. So you'll be in 4716 03:46:16,720 --> 03:46:19,680 connect contact to work on to work on 4717 03:46:19,680 --> 03:46:23,120 that because Yeah. Thank you. 4718 03:46:23,120 --> 03:46:27,760 Anybody else like to speak to this item? 4719 03:46:27,760 --> 03:46:29,600 Seeing none, I go ahead and close the 4720 03:46:29,600 --> 03:46:32,080 public hearing and bring this back to 4721 03:46:32,080 --> 03:46:34,880 the city council 4722 03:46:34,880 --> 03:46:44,630 for your discussion or and or action. 4723 03:46:44,640 --> 03:46:47,120 What's your plan for that um drive-thru 4724 03:46:47,120 --> 03:46:56,550 business on the south? Yeah. 4725 03:46:56,560 --> 03:46:58,640 uh on the south end uh along State 4726 03:46:58,640 --> 03:47:00,640 Street. We were uh we don't have any 4727 03:47:00,640 --> 03:47:02,000 definitive plans, but we were looking 4728 03:47:02,000 --> 03:47:03,520 for some type of a restaurant to be 4729 03:47:03,520 --> 03:47:05,680 there. Um the drive-thru was designed 4730 03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:08,399 such that it could hold I I think when 4731 03:47:08,399 --> 03:47:10,640 we did the count it was to 15 cars 4732 03:47:10,640 --> 03:47:12,000 before it spills into any of the 4733 03:47:12,000 --> 03:47:15,600 exterior parking. So the restaurant concept is our plan for that. 4734 03:47:15,600 --> 03:47:19,040 So, I had a resident ask me to ask you 4735 03:47:19,040 --> 03:47:21,199 to um that we would love to have an 4736 03:47:21,199 --> 03:47:24,720 In-N-Out, the north end of Oram, 4737 03:47:24,720 --> 03:47:28,720 >> and I think that south in-n-out could do with some help. 4738 03:47:28,720 --> 03:47:30,000 >> That would be amazing, but I think that 4739 03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:31,520 would cause more issues as far as 4740 03:47:31,520 --> 03:47:33,680 parking and backup drive-throughs than 4741 03:47:33,680 --> 03:47:34,880 anything else we've talked about. 4742 03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:44,070 >> I did ask though, right? Okay. 4743 03:47:44,080 --> 03:47:45,760 » All right. Council, is there any other 4744 03:47:45,760 --> 03:47:49,750 discussion? 4745 03:47:49,760 --> 03:47:51,439 » Yes, Council Member Lamson. 4746 03:47:51,439 --> 03:47:54,160 >> I I just want to to thank the applicant 4747 03:47:54,160 --> 03:47:57,199 and Jared staff for uh presenting this 4748 03:47:57,199 --> 03:48:00,960 so so well. Um and also uh the 4749 03:48:00,960 --> 03:48:03,439 residents, Mr. Walker and Mr. Barney. Uh 4750 03:48:03,439 --> 03:48:06,720 always appreciate your extra insights 4751 03:48:06,720 --> 03:48:09,199 um looking at things with a with a very 4752 03:48:09,199 --> 03:48:12,160 fine detail and a fine tooth comb. and I 4753 03:48:12,160 --> 03:48:16,560 just appreciate your continual 4754 03:48:16,560 --> 03:48:19,840 uh just being involved. Thank you. 4755 03:48:19,840 --> 03:48:22,560 >> All right. Thank you. 4756 03:48:22,560 --> 03:48:25,040 Anyone else? 4757 03:48:25,040 --> 03:48:26,160 What would you like to do? Would you 4758 03:48:26,160 --> 03:48:27,359 like to take some action on this 4759 03:48:27,359 --> 03:48:31,269 council? 4760 03:48:31,279 --> 03:48:33,893 member Kilpac. 4761 03:48:33,893 --> 03:48:38,870 [gasps and sighs] 4762 03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:45,030 So at 101. 4763 03:48:45,040 --> 03:48:47,680 » So as we uh look at that then I mayor I 4764 03:48:47,680 --> 03:48:52,080 move that we um amend 4765 03:48:52,080 --> 03:48:56,399 through ordinance the amending appendix 4766 03:48:56,399 --> 03:48:59,439 0000 of the ORM city code by altering 4767 03:48:59,439 --> 03:49:02,000 the existing concept plan for the PD53 4768 03:49:02,000 --> 03:49:05,359 zone located generally at 890 1890 North 4769 03:49:05,359 --> 03:49:06,479 State Street. 4770 03:49:06,479 --> 03:49:08,000 >> Thank you. Have a motion. Is there a 4771 03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:08,880 second? 4772 03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:09,520 >> Second. 4773 03:49:09,520 --> 03:49:10,960 >> All right. Thank you, Council Member 4774 03:49:10,960 --> 03:49:12,560 Lamson. 4775 03:49:12,560 --> 03:49:15,279 Any further discussion? 4776 03:49:15,279 --> 03:49:16,640 All right. We'll start with you, Council 4777 03:49:16,640 --> 03:49:18,000 Member Gail. 4778 03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:23,040 >> I 4779 03:49:23,040 --> 03:49:24,560 >> And Quinn 4780 03:49:24,560 --> 03:49:27,439 >> I know it's the middle of the night. 4781 03:49:27,439 --> 03:49:31,040 Thank you. All right. Motion um passes. 4782 03:49:31,040 --> 03:49:32,640 Thank you. 4783 03:49:32,640 --> 03:49:34,800 Our next item on the agenda is another 4784 03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:38,000 public hearing and it's 10.2 amending 4785 03:49:38,000 --> 03:49:40,560 article 22-5-3A 4786 03:49:40,560 --> 03:49:42,720 and the zoning map of the city of ORM by 4787 03:49:42,720 --> 03:49:44,080 changing the zone of the properties 4788 03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:48,239 located generally at 360 west 1500 south 4789 03:49:48,239 --> 03:49:52,880 from PF public facilities to R12 and R12 4790 03:49:52,880 --> 03:49:55,199 single family residential. I did almost 4791 03:49:55,199 --> 03:49:57,120 again. So they're they they are 4792 03:49:57,120 --> 03:50:00,239 currently PF public facilities and R12 4793 03:50:00,239 --> 03:50:03,600 to reszone those all to R8 single family 4794 03:50:03,600 --> 03:50:06,560 residential and it's approximately 5.93 4795 03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:09,120 acres. And we'll turn the time over to 4796 03:50:09,120 --> 03:50:11,520 Mr. Hall. 4797 03:50:11,520 --> 03:50:15,359 >> Thank you. Um so yeah, this is it's 5.45 4798 03:50:15,359 --> 03:50:17,920 acres. I 5.93 is a misprint. I'm I 4799 03:50:17,920 --> 03:50:20,880 apologize. 5.45 acres. We had another 4800 03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:22,479 project that was recently on that was 4801 03:50:22,479 --> 03:50:25,840 5.93. probably pasted that number badly, 4802 03:50:25,840 --> 03:50:28,239 but this has brought back that 2253A 4803 03:50:28,239 --> 03:50:30,239 amending the map that you all know and 4804 03:50:30,239 --> 03:50:33,120 love that number 2253A. So, these 4805 03:50:33,120 --> 03:50:35,199 properties that are part of the the um 4806 03:50:35,199 --> 03:50:36,720 project are in two different zones as 4807 03:50:36,720 --> 03:50:38,239 you mentioned, mayor, the PF public 4808 03:50:38,239 --> 03:50:41,359 facilities and the R12 zone. Um the 4809 03:50:41,359 --> 03:50:43,920 planning commission held a hearing. Um 4810 03:50:43,920 --> 03:50:45,359 they had an earlier hearing was 4811 03:50:45,359 --> 03:50:46,960 continued to June 3rd where they did 4812 03:50:46,960 --> 03:50:49,439 finally uh make a decision and vote 6 4813 03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:51,359 to0 to recommend approval of the change 4814 03:50:51,359 --> 03:50:53,840 of zoning to R8 for all of those 4815 03:50:53,840 --> 03:50:56,319 different properties. Um this is an 4816 03:50:56,319 --> 03:50:58,160 outline of the properties that are 4817 03:50:58,160 --> 03:50:59,520 involved and as I said they're in two 4818 03:50:59,520 --> 03:51:00,800 different zones but they are all in the 4819 03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:02,560 same land use designation in the general 4820 03:51:02,560 --> 03:51:05,439 plan. Uh it's all in the in the R sorry 4821 03:51:05,439 --> 03:51:07,359 in the lowdensity residential 4822 03:51:07,359 --> 03:51:08,880 designation. 4823 03:51:08,880 --> 03:51:12,319 Um this is the zoning map. So you can 4824 03:51:12,319 --> 03:51:14,880 see the the different the PF zone is the 4825 03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:16,800 portion owned by the city and this is 4826 03:51:16,800 --> 03:51:19,680 the R12 portion here. Uh this part is 4827 03:51:19,680 --> 03:51:22,319 necessary to be part of the subdivision 4828 03:51:22,319 --> 03:51:28,160 um to get to the city-owned property and uh included in that subdivision. Um 4829 03:51:28,160 --> 03:51:30,960 it makes it work better with the road uh 4830 03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:33,279 coming through if those are R8 lots. 4831 03:51:33,279 --> 03:51:35,359 They're larger than 8,000 ft², but it 4832 03:51:35,359 --> 03:51:38,800 works better uh than the 12. Um, this is 4833 03:51:38,800 --> 03:51:40,800 a concept. So, it's I apologize. It's 4834 03:51:40,800 --> 03:51:42,160 flipped on its side there a little bit, 4835 03:51:42,160 --> 03:51:44,000 but you can still see that basic shape. 4836 03:51:44,000 --> 03:51:46,800 So, this is that road 1600 south coming 4837 03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:49,120 up and then it would curve through. It 4838 03:51:49,120 --> 03:51:50,319 could either go through or it could 4839 03:51:50,319 --> 03:51:52,160 culde-sac. We've we've illustrated the 4840 03:51:52,160 --> 03:51:53,840 culdesac version here. It seemed to be 4841 03:51:53,840 --> 03:51:55,600 the most popular. At the neighborhood 4842 03:51:55,600 --> 03:51:56,800 meeting, we did hold a neighborhood 4843 03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:59,359 meeting as required uh by the code for 4844 03:51:59,359 --> 03:52:01,279 this. Uh, that was held back in 4845 03:52:01,279 --> 03:52:02,960 February. I'm trying to remember. It's 4846 03:52:02,960 --> 03:52:05,359 been a long time since February, but I 4847 03:52:05,359 --> 03:52:08,239 believe it was February. Um, 4848 03:52:08,239 --> 03:52:09,520 a couple of things to note about the 4849 03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:12,160 concept subdivision that we've uh 4850 03:52:12,160 --> 03:52:15,120 prepared. It does allow for 18 uh single 4851 03:52:15,120 --> 03:52:18,239 family lots in that R8 zone. It could be 4852 03:52:18,239 --> 03:52:20,800 culde-sac or go through. Um, it allows 4853 03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:23,680 some connections of sewer and water um 4854 03:52:23,680 --> 03:52:25,359 and then access for budding properties 4855 03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:27,359 to the east. We we've held out a larger 4856 03:52:27,359 --> 03:52:28,880 easement that would allow access for the 4857 03:52:28,880 --> 03:52:31,279 properties on the east side uh to access 4858 03:52:31,279 --> 03:52:32,960 their properties and or develop in the 4859 03:52:32,960 --> 03:52:36,720 future uh if they'd like to. this this 4860 03:52:36,720 --> 03:52:39,760 concept um plan. This one is to 4861 03:52:39,760 --> 03:52:40,720 illustrate the outline of the property 4862 03:52:40,720 --> 03:52:42,000 cuz I think it's hard to see in our 4863 03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:44,160 other concept plans. So, this one though 4864 03:52:44,160 --> 03:52:45,600 shows you better the detail. This would 4865 03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:47,680 be a an easement that would allow us to 4866 03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:50,800 connect those utilities um from 1600 4867 03:52:50,800 --> 03:52:53,199 south to the north. Uh it helps with 4868 03:52:53,199 --> 03:52:54,560 sewer problems and issues that we have 4869 03:52:54,560 --> 03:52:56,560 in this area connecting that sewer. Uh 4870 03:52:56,560 --> 03:52:58,560 loops the water lines. Um we could also 4871 03:52:58,560 --> 03:53:00,880 provide pedestrian access if this were 4872 03:53:00,880 --> 03:53:02,080 culde-sac. could still provide 4873 03:53:02,080 --> 03:53:04,800 pedestrian access out to the north uh as 4874 03:53:04,800 --> 03:53:07,199 well. So that that helps out a lot as 4875 03:53:07,199 --> 03:53:09,760 well. Um 4876 03:53:09,760 --> 03:53:11,359 are there other questions that you might 4877 03:53:11,359 --> 03:53:12,720 have about this property? 4878 03:53:12,720 --> 03:53:18,720 >> I have a couple questions and so uh one I' I've talked to council member 4879 03:53:18,720 --> 03:53:21,040 Millet about but I I'm going to ask 4880 03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:23,199 somebody else beside no no offense but 4881 03:53:23,199 --> 03:53:25,040 somebody a staff member to give the same 4882 03:53:25,040 --> 03:53:27,359 an to give me the answer. Well I asked 4883 03:53:27,359 --> 03:53:29,600 the other question is why why was it 4884 03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:31,680 zone PF? But the first question I'm 4885 03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:33,680 going to ask is because I've asked u Mr. 4886 03:53:33,680 --> 03:53:38,000 Hall this before is uh what what was the 4887 03:53:38,000 --> 03:53:40,080 zoning of this of the city-owned 4888 03:53:40,080 --> 03:53:43,439 property before it became PF zone? 4889 03:53:43,439 --> 03:53:47,120 >> It was zoned R I was about to say R8 but 4890 03:53:47,120 --> 03:53:49,040 I think it was either R8 or R12. 4891 03:53:49,040 --> 03:53:51,120 >> It was R8 or R12. So it was already a 4892 03:53:51,120 --> 03:53:53,439 low density residential single family 4893 03:53:53,439 --> 03:53:53,920 zone. 4894 03:53:53,920 --> 03:53:56,800 >> Okay. Another question I have is the 4895 03:53:56,800 --> 03:53:59,359 city the applicant I'm looking we did 4896 03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:01,040 were we the applicant on behalf of the 4897 03:54:01,040 --> 03:54:02,960 other is the other property owner here 4898 03:54:02,960 --> 03:54:03,840 >> Mr. Licky. 4899 03:54:03,840 --> 03:54:05,680 >> Okay. Okay. I didn't know if you wanted 4900 03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:08,399 to add anything. Okay. You don't have 4901 03:54:08,399 --> 03:54:09,680 I'm not going to make you I just wanted 4902 03:54:09,680 --> 03:54:12,000 to give you the opportunity to that. 4903 03:54:12,000 --> 03:54:14,960 Okay. So I come back and ask what what 4904 03:54:14,960 --> 03:54:17,040 was the reason why this property was 4905 03:54:17,040 --> 03:54:21,110 zoned PF? 4906 03:54:21,120 --> 03:54:23,120 This is before my time. So, I'll give a 4907 03:54:23,120 --> 03:54:25,600 I'll give at least an initial summary 4908 03:54:25,600 --> 03:54:28,080 answer and then Steve and Gary can add 4909 03:54:28,080 --> 03:54:29,920 to if if there's anything I'm I'm 4910 03:54:29,920 --> 03:54:33,120 missing. So, at the time that we uh 4911 03:54:33,120 --> 03:54:35,840 added that public facility zone, uh we 4912 03:54:35,840 --> 03:54:39,120 did it for all of the uh uh 4913 03:54:39,120 --> 03:54:41,680 publiclyowned uh properties within the 4914 03:54:41,680 --> 03:54:45,120 city. Um and and 4915 03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:47,840 from my recollection, the main uh 4916 03:54:47,840 --> 03:54:50,080 purpose of that was to preserve all of 4917 03:54:50,080 --> 03:54:54,319 the open space uh within the city uh to 4918 03:54:54,319 --> 03:54:56,720 the best we can andor make sure that the 4919 03:54:56,720 --> 03:55:00,720 city was part of um 4920 03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:03,199 uh that the city was more involved, had 4921 03:55:03,199 --> 03:55:05,359 a had a greater voice, that there would 4922 03:55:05,359 --> 03:55:08,239 be sort of greater kind of public input 4923 03:55:08,239 --> 03:55:11,840 in the event that uh uh there was any 4924 03:55:11,840 --> 03:55:13,840 change in the development or the zone 4925 03:55:13,840 --> 03:55:14,720 from there 4926 03:55:14,720 --> 03:55:17,040 >> like like what we're having right now. 4927 03:55:17,040 --> 03:55:17,600 >> Correct. 4928 03:55:17,600 --> 03:55:18,640 >> Okay. 4929 03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:23,279 >> So, uh thank you. Question. Uh in an R8 4930 03:55:23,279 --> 03:55:25,680 zone, are parks allowed in an R8 and an 4931 03:55:25,680 --> 03:55:26,720 R12 zone? 4932 03:55:26,720 --> 03:55:27,279 >> Yes. 4933 03:55:27,279 --> 03:55:30,479 >> So, so those are as permitted uses 4934 03:55:30,479 --> 03:55:32,319 >> peritted uses in this in that zoning and 4935 03:55:32,319 --> 03:55:33,439 in the PF zone as well. 4936 03:55:33,439 --> 03:55:35,040 >> And in the PF zone as well. change of 4937 03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:36,560 zoning doesn't impact that whether it 4938 03:55:36,560 --> 03:55:39,120 could be a park or development as a park 4939 03:55:39,120 --> 03:55:40,880 would not be impacted by this particular 4940 03:55:40,880 --> 03:55:41,520 change of zoning. 4941 03:55:41,520 --> 03:55:42,640 >> Okay. Because I know the city's looked 4942 03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:45,359 at the possibilities of that. I And 4943 03:55:45,359 --> 03:55:47,600 anyway, council, I don't mean to be 4944 03:55:47,600 --> 03:55:49,680 hoggish with questions, but if do you 4945 03:55:49,680 --> 03:55:53,520 have any questions for Mr. Hall? 4946 03:55:53,520 --> 03:55:57,600 He's also the applicant. So, 4947 03:55:57,600 --> 03:56:00,319 okay, we don't have any questions. So, 4948 03:56:00,319 --> 03:56:03,040 we're going to go ahead and um I'm going 4949 03:56:03,040 --> 03:56:05,359 to go ahead and open the public hearing. 4950 03:56:05,359 --> 03:56:07,760 Um just as a note, we did receive some 4951 03:56:07,760 --> 03:56:10,239 emails from some individuals who were 4952 03:56:10,239 --> 03:56:12,000 not able to attend this evening who 4953 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:13,840 wanted to give feedback and the city 4954 03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:17,680 council received those those emails in 4955 03:56:17,680 --> 03:56:20,080 their work session. And so, I don't know 4956 03:56:20,080 --> 03:56:22,239 if any pe any anybody who emailed in 4957 03:56:22,239 --> 03:56:25,279 before our meeting uh is listening, but 4958 03:56:25,279 --> 03:56:27,600 we did receive we did receive those and 4959 03:56:27,600 --> 03:56:29,840 had a chance to review those. So, I'm 4960 03:56:29,840 --> 03:56:31,439 going to go ahead and open up the public 4961 03:56:31,439 --> 03:56:34,080 hearing. And if there's anyone here this 4962 03:56:34,080 --> 03:56:36,479 evening who would like to speak to this 4963 03:56:36,479 --> 03:56:37,920 issue, I invite you to come up, 4964 03:56:37,920 --> 03:56:39,920 introduce yourself, and you have up to 4965 03:56:39,920 --> 03:56:43,199 three minutes to to share your thoughts 4966 03:56:43,199 --> 03:56:47,990 with us. Thank you. 4967 03:56:48,000 --> 03:56:51,040 » Thank you. Um, Steve Sammon, I have 4968 03:56:51,040 --> 03:56:54,000 property adjacent on the east side of 4969 03:56:54,000 --> 03:56:57,600 the the city property. We own a house, a 4970 03:56:57,600 --> 03:56:59,840 barn, and the lot that are just right 4971 03:56:59,840 --> 03:57:02,000 next to each other. 4972 03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:04,000 Um, my only question is one of the 4973 03:57:04,000 --> 03:57:06,800 previous meetings you mentioned. If it 4974 03:57:06,800 --> 03:57:09,120 does become a park, 4975 03:57:09,120 --> 03:57:12,080 the parking lot, um, you you said 4976 03:57:12,080 --> 03:57:13,920 there's the easement is going to be 4977 03:57:13,920 --> 03:57:16,880 taken care of so that we have access 4978 03:57:16,880 --> 03:57:18,720 those those properties on that east 4979 03:57:18,720 --> 03:57:19,920 side, 4980 03:57:19,920 --> 03:57:21,600 >> right? There's there's a large easement. 4981 03:57:21,600 --> 03:57:23,600 I just you mentioned in the previous 4982 03:57:23,600 --> 03:57:26,000 meeting that the city doesn't always 4983 03:57:26,000 --> 03:57:30,160 give uh access from a parking lot in a 4984 03:57:30,160 --> 03:57:31,359 park situation. 4985 03:57:31,359 --> 03:57:32,640 >> Yeah. Not not always. 4986 03:57:32,640 --> 03:57:33,600 >> It's not impossible. 4987 03:57:33,600 --> 03:57:35,840 >> Okay. That's really my only concern is 4988 03:57:35,840 --> 03:57:38,560 we just want uh we have the barn, we 4989 03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:40,080 have the lot. We would like to develop 4990 03:57:40,080 --> 03:57:41,279 it sometime. 4991 03:57:41,279 --> 03:57:43,040 >> Um and so we just want to make sure we 4992 03:57:43,040 --> 03:57:44,399 get an easement for 4993 03:57:44,399 --> 03:57:46,239 >> that is in the event that if if it 4994 03:57:46,239 --> 03:57:46,960 becomes a park. 4995 03:57:46,960 --> 03:57:48,560 >> Yeah. If it if it if it becomes a 4996 03:57:48,560 --> 03:57:49,920 neighborhood, I don't think it's an 4997 03:57:49,920 --> 03:57:52,000 issue. Okay. But you had mentioned that 4998 03:57:52,000 --> 03:57:53,520 before and I just remembered. Yeah. So 4999 03:57:53,520 --> 03:57:55,120 that's my my only thing is we just want 5000 03:57:55,120 --> 03:57:56,960 to have an easement for for Thank you. 5001 03:57:56,960 --> 03:57:58,080 >> Okay. Thank you. 5002 03:57:58,080 --> 03:57:59,600 >> Is anyone else who'd like to speak to 5003 03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:01,359 this? 5004 03:58:01,359 --> 03:58:02,640 >> All right. You come up, introduce 5005 03:58:02,640 --> 03:58:04,560 yourself, and you'll have up to three 5006 03:58:04,560 --> 03:58:07,359 minutes to share your thoughts. Welcome. 5007 03:58:07,359 --> 03:58:10,640 >> Y um Joseph Creer. We are the property 5008 03:58:10,640 --> 03:58:12,880 owners that are exactly north of the 5009 03:58:12,880 --> 03:58:15,439 development. We are landlocked in 5010 03:58:15,439 --> 03:58:19,199 between the deadend street 1450 South 5011 03:58:19,199 --> 03:58:21,840 and the condominiums. 5012 03:58:21,840 --> 03:58:24,239 And so we're hoping to get access to the 5013 03:58:24,239 --> 03:58:26,800 two full acres that that are right 5014 03:58:26,800 --> 03:58:29,199 there. We have no sewer connection. 5015 03:58:29,199 --> 03:58:30,960 We've been working with the city for 2 5016 03:58:30,960 --> 03:58:35,040 years this June. Um we are planning 5017 03:58:35,040 --> 03:58:37,120 hoping that the street name is called 5018 03:58:37,120 --> 03:58:38,960 Sunflower Dunes if you guys can see it 5019 03:58:38,960 --> 03:58:43,920 on your map. Um, but we are trying to uh 5020 03:58:43,920 --> 03:58:47,840 put in what would be four homes for my 5021 03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:51,279 siblings and myself. U my parents live 5022 03:58:51,279 --> 03:58:52,560 on that street. They've been there for 5023 03:58:52,560 --> 03:58:55,279 50 years. This is one of those legacy, I 5024 03:58:55,279 --> 03:58:58,239 guess, projects. But we want to thank um 5025 03:58:58,239 --> 03:59:00,640 Jared, all the city council members, the 5026 03:59:00,640 --> 03:59:02,560 civil engineers, everybody who've worked 5027 03:59:02,560 --> 03:59:06,640 so hard to help us um to develop. We're 5028 03:59:06,640 --> 03:59:08,800 in favor of the R8 zone change, of 5029 03:59:08,800 --> 03:59:12,479 course. Um we prefer the culde-sac over 5030 03:59:12,479 --> 03:59:14,479 the through street um due to all the 5031 03:59:14,479 --> 03:59:17,520 constraints on 1400 South. It's a very 5032 03:59:17,520 --> 03:59:19,760 bumpy narrow road. We don't think that 5033 03:59:19,760 --> 03:59:21,120 the through street would ever work 5034 03:59:21,120 --> 03:59:24,000 there, but um we want to thank everybody 5035 03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:26,000 for all of their efforts in making this 5036 03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:28,399 development happen. Thank you guys. 5037 03:59:28,399 --> 03:59:30,800 >> All right. Thank you. Anybody else would 5038 03:59:30,800 --> 03:59:34,160 like to speak to this? 5039 03:59:34,160 --> 03:59:35,520 All right. Seeing none, I'll go ahead 5040 03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:38,080 and close the public hearing. Oh, we got 5041 03:59:38,080 --> 03:59:39,920 one more. just 5042 03:59:39,920 --> 03:59:41,520 >> Okay, Marian, you introduce yourself 5043 03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:43,760 again. And you got up to three minutes. 5044 03:59:43,760 --> 03:59:47,520 >> And I really am looking forward to this 5045 03:59:47,520 --> 03:59:49,920 property being settled 5046 03:59:49,920 --> 03:59:52,960 um to being dealt with. Our home is 5047 03:59:52,960 --> 03:59:58,319 right on 1600 South, 325 West, and we're 5048 03:59:58,319 --> 04:00:02,960 neighbors to Jay Namy Liy. and the sewer 5049 04:00:02,960 --> 04:00:06,160 and connection for all of that parcel 5050 04:00:06,160 --> 04:00:09,840 going north and the stability of 5051 04:00:09,840 --> 04:00:12,880 residential and if it truly was to 5052 04:00:12,880 --> 04:00:15,120 become a park 5053 04:00:15,120 --> 04:00:18,399 that can fulfill a purpose also but the 5054 04:00:18,399 --> 04:00:20,960 connections for water and infrastructure 5055 04:00:20,960 --> 04:00:24,080 and sewer lines are wonderful and I will 5056 04:00:24,080 --> 04:00:28,640 give you some handson feedback about the 5057 04:00:28,640 --> 04:00:30,239 development 5058 04:00:30,239 --> 04:00:32,880 art Arcadia. Arcadia. Jared. 5059 04:00:32,880 --> 04:00:33,439 >> Acadia. 5060 04:00:33,439 --> 04:00:38,479 Acadia. The road is now open and 5061 04:00:38,479 --> 04:00:41,520 it is dispersing traffic already. We 5062 04:00:41,520 --> 04:00:46,960 raised our family in 466 West 1600 South 5063 04:00:46,960 --> 04:00:50,640 or 1640 south. And we know many of those 5064 04:00:50,640 --> 04:00:54,239 neighbors. And I literally was able to 5065 04:00:54,239 --> 04:00:56,560 start asking them, "Have you started 5066 04:00:56,560 --> 04:00:58,720 seeing an increase?" Now, granted, the 5067 04:00:58,720 --> 04:01:01,520 homes aren't all built in, but I will 5068 04:01:01,520 --> 04:01:05,199 tell you the engineering and traffic 5069 04:01:05,199 --> 04:01:08,880 information that more connectivity 5070 04:01:08,880 --> 04:01:11,840 adds to more dispersal and better 5071 04:01:11,840 --> 04:01:16,000 access. It's true. It works quite well. 5072 04:01:16,000 --> 04:01:18,960 So, we're we're very grateful that this 5073 04:01:18,960 --> 04:01:20,479 is going forward. And Jared, the 5074 04:01:20,479 --> 04:01:23,279 question I have for you is, 5075 04:01:23,279 --> 04:01:26,080 have the the test holes been done? I 5076 04:01:26,080 --> 04:01:27,439 didn't quite hear that. And I might have 5077 04:01:27,439 --> 04:01:30,239 stepped out for just a moment. 5078 04:01:30,239 --> 04:01:31,760 >> I don't have an update on those. 5079 04:01:31,760 --> 04:01:34,000 >> Okay. We just aren't sure how much is 5080 04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:36,479 hidden underneath there. And 5081 04:01:36,479 --> 04:01:40,399 >> yes, we we went in and we had uh an 5082 04:01:40,399 --> 04:01:43,840 engineering firm come and uh do some 5083 04:01:43,840 --> 04:01:45,920 test pits and everywhere. That gave us 5084 04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:48,399 enough, this was very early on, that 5085 04:01:48,399 --> 04:01:50,239 gave us enough confidence to take the 5086 04:01:50,239 --> 04:01:52,800 next step forward. One of the things 5087 04:01:52,800 --> 04:01:55,600 then as we've gone on, we in cooperation 5088 04:01:55,600 --> 04:01:58,560 with public works, uh, and I'm sad I 5089 04:01:58,560 --> 04:02:01,199 missed the day, uh, we went out there 5090 04:02:01,199 --> 04:02:04,640 and we dug test pits on every potential 5091 04:02:04,640 --> 04:02:07,120 lot in the buildable areas. Wow. 5092 04:02:07,120 --> 04:02:10,399 >> Where homes would be and we didn't find 5093 04:02:10,399 --> 04:02:14,640 anything that scared us. So, we think 5094 04:02:14,640 --> 04:02:17,199 there is some things there, but we're 5095 04:02:17,199 --> 04:02:19,120 right now at least we feel confident 5096 04:02:19,120 --> 04:02:21,920 moving forward. So, it may be viable and 5097 04:02:21,920 --> 04:02:23,600 we're very happy to hear that also. 5098 04:02:23,600 --> 04:02:24,239 Thank you. 5099 04:02:24,239 --> 04:02:26,560 >> Thank you. Oh, and look at Marian, you 5100 04:02:26,560 --> 04:02:28,160 started a trend. 5101 04:02:28,160 --> 04:02:29,359 >> All right. Welcome. 5102 04:02:29,359 --> 04:02:32,399 >> I'm Marcus Jones. Um, I'm one of the 5103 04:02:32,399 --> 04:02:33,760 properties that's near the park as well 5104 04:02:33,760 --> 04:02:38,399 at 1645 South 300 West. Um, I guess for 5105 04:02:38,399 --> 04:02:41,040 me, I I feel like we're talking about 5106 04:02:41,040 --> 04:02:43,120 like the plans of all these and what the 5107 04:02:43,120 --> 04:02:44,239 layout is and everything and the 5108 04:02:44,239 --> 04:02:47,279 proposed plan. Um, but that plan has 5109 04:02:47,279 --> 04:02:49,760 homes on it. it has lots that are being 5110 04:02:49,760 --> 04:02:51,600 proposed, I guess, is the thing. And I 5111 04:02:51,600 --> 04:02:53,520 feel like that's telling me already that 5112 04:02:53,520 --> 04:02:54,960 it's not going to move into a park 5113 04:02:54,960 --> 04:03:00,160 direction. Um, and with that, I think it kind of changes my mindset of, okay, 5114 04:03:00,160 --> 04:03:02,000 well, sure, there may be a park that's 5115 04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:04,560 included in this R8 zoning and stuff, 5116 04:03:04,560 --> 04:03:06,640 but highly, it's going to go to a 5117 04:03:06,640 --> 04:03:08,960 developer and get developed, I guess. 5118 04:03:08,960 --> 04:03:11,199 Um, even with that though, whether we 5119 04:03:11,199 --> 04:03:12,720 build a park or not, the infrastructure 5120 04:03:12,720 --> 04:03:13,920 would still come in because you still 5121 04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:16,080 need bathrooms and stuff, though. So, I 5122 04:03:16,080 --> 04:03:20,399 think um protecting the green space like 5123 04:03:20,399 --> 04:03:24,800 we talked about, right? Like this is a high dense area. There's 5124 04:03:24,800 --> 04:03:27,120 buildings that are right just north of 5125 04:03:27,120 --> 04:03:29,840 that too of apartment buildings. If you 5126 04:03:29,840 --> 04:03:33,439 go um to the west, even though there 5127 04:03:33,439 --> 04:03:34,800 looks like there's a big green lot there 5128 04:03:34,800 --> 04:03:36,399 and stuff, that's all been developed out 5129 04:03:36,399 --> 04:03:40,080 now too into homes as well. Um, 5130 04:03:40,080 --> 04:03:42,399 but you know, I think I think for me 5131 04:03:42,399 --> 04:03:45,120 it's um 5132 04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:48,160 this is a public facilities property and 5133 04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:49,359 I don't think we're thinking about it 5134 04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:50,640 like that right now. We're thinking 5135 04:03:50,640 --> 04:03:52,479 about it as how can we get this off our 5136 04:03:52,479 --> 04:03:54,479 books so then we can develop it. I guess 5137 04:03:54,479 --> 04:03:57,120 though and I think bringing it back to 5138 04:03:57,120 --> 04:03:58,399 well, what can we actually build here 5139 04:03:58,399 --> 04:03:59,600 that would help the community out 5140 04:03:59,600 --> 04:04:01,600 instead? it should be the priority 5141 04:04:01,600 --> 04:04:06,319 instead. Without a significant um 5142 04:04:06,319 --> 04:04:09,199 I guess benefit to the community, I 5143 04:04:09,199 --> 04:04:11,840 don't see why we would reszone, 5144 04:04:11,840 --> 04:04:12,720 but thanks. 5145 04:04:12,720 --> 04:04:14,319 >> All right. Thank you. I appreciate your 5146 04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:16,880 thoughts. All right. Is there anyone 5147 04:04:16,880 --> 04:04:19,279 else? 5148 04:04:19,279 --> 04:04:21,439 Welcome. If you introduce yourself and 5149 04:04:21,439 --> 04:04:22,560 you got up to three minutes. 5150 04:04:22,560 --> 04:04:24,319 >> Yeah. I'm Jay Lake. I should say 5151 04:04:24,319 --> 04:04:27,840 something. Um, so 5152 04:04:27,840 --> 04:04:31,359 I really want uh we live in a city and 5153 04:04:31,359 --> 04:04:32,479 we need to get along with the neighbors. 5154 04:04:32,479 --> 04:04:34,000 I really want the sewer to go through 5155 04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:36,640 and um the neighbors to be happy. I you 5156 04:04:36,640 --> 04:04:38,080 know being an outdoors person, I prefer 5157 04:04:38,080 --> 04:04:42,479 the trees, but um if we can have a few 5158 04:04:42,479 --> 04:04:43,920 trees left when we do houses, I guess 5159 04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:46,960 it'll be all right. But um my concern is 5160 04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:49,120 I don't want the street going through. 5161 04:04:49,120 --> 04:04:51,520 So I mean know this is issue is not 5162 04:04:51,520 --> 04:04:53,920 about that at all. So, but if that I 5163 04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:55,920 prefer the culde-sac 5164 04:04:55,920 --> 04:04:59,520 way and um many of the neighbors swear 5165 04:04:59,520 --> 04:05:01,199 up and down there's hundreds of loads of 5166 04:05:01,199 --> 04:05:03,600 concrete. Maybe the city didn't discover 5167 04:05:03,600 --> 04:05:05,359 it. Hopefully, they don't, but it's 5168 04:05:05,359 --> 04:05:06,880 possible where the they're going to put 5169 04:05:06,880 --> 04:05:08,960 the sewer line, maybe they'll run into 5170 04:05:08,960 --> 04:05:11,279 some issues, but if they have their own 5171 04:05:11,279 --> 04:05:12,479 equipment, they can just keep digging 5172 04:05:12,479 --> 04:05:14,960 and digging and haul it out. And then 5173 04:05:14,960 --> 04:05:18,000 some of us uh own property on the east 5174 04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:20,160 side of the city property. And if you 5175 04:05:20,160 --> 04:05:22,239 looked at the picture, there's a a small 5176 04:05:22,239 --> 04:05:24,160 dirt road that runs north and south. 5177 04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:26,319 They had my my concern is I still want 5178 04:05:26,319 --> 04:05:27,680 access through there. That's the only 5179 04:05:27,680 --> 04:05:30,319 way it can get into my lower level of my 5180 04:05:30,319 --> 04:05:32,000 property. In the winter time, the road's 5181 04:05:32,000 --> 04:05:33,199 really slick. You can't go up the hill. 5182 04:05:33,199 --> 04:05:34,479 And and they they've been cooperative. 5183 04:05:34,479 --> 04:05:35,760 They said we work something out. We just 5184 04:05:35,760 --> 04:05:37,680 have to get away with fire way to get a 5185 04:05:37,680 --> 04:05:43,680 fire truck to um turn in and out. Um, so 5186 04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:47,520 I'm pretty easygoing, but we we want a 5187 04:05:47,520 --> 04:05:53,680 betterment of the community, but um I I would be happier or as an alternative 5188 04:05:53,680 --> 04:05:55,760 just to get the neighbors sewer and just 5189 04:05:55,760 --> 04:06:00,560 to keep it vacant land and trees and and do something. I know that's a 5190 04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:03,439 far-fetched possibility, but being one 5191 04:06:03,439 --> 04:06:05,840 of the only forests left in the a city 5192 04:06:05,840 --> 04:06:07,680 and and the Wasad's front, it's 5193 04:06:07,680 --> 04:06:12,080 something to think about. Thank you. 5194 04:06:12,080 --> 04:06:14,560 If I remember correctly, 5195 04:06:14,560 --> 04:06:17,040 uh this property, the city did not 5196 04:06:17,040 --> 04:06:19,760 purchase this property. It was given to 5197 04:06:19,760 --> 04:06:21,359 the city. Is that correct? Is it only 5198 04:06:21,359 --> 04:06:23,760 given to the city by UD do 5199 04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:25,600 >> as part of another project? 5200 04:06:25,600 --> 04:06:27,279 >> That that's what the the county records 5201 04:06:27,279 --> 04:06:29,040 show. They show that this uh property 5202 04:06:29,040 --> 04:06:31,920 was conveyed to the city in 1976 by UD 5203 04:06:31,920 --> 04:06:33,120 do 5204 04:06:33,120 --> 04:06:35,520 >> and uh I don't think we have any 5205 04:06:35,520 --> 04:06:37,359 records, but my suspicion is that we 5206 04:06:37,359 --> 04:06:39,040 didn't pay anything for that. They just 5207 04:06:39,040 --> 04:06:41,359 conveyed it to us as surplus property. 5208 04:06:41,359 --> 04:06:42,960 >> Okay. And then remind if someone can 5209 04:06:42,960 --> 04:06:45,359 remind me the size of the city owned 5210 04:06:45,359 --> 04:06:47,520 piece of the city owned property. So if 5211 04:06:47,520 --> 04:06:50,960 it's 5.43 minus um the 5212 04:06:50,960 --> 04:06:54,560 >> city- owned portion is I circled it here 5213 04:06:54,560 --> 04:06:55,920 3.8 acres. 5214 04:06:55,920 --> 04:07:00,080 >> So 3.8 acres is is what it looks like do 5215 04:07:00,080 --> 04:07:01,359 conveyed to the city. 5216 04:07:01,359 --> 04:07:03,520 >> It was actually a much larger parcel 5217 04:07:03,520 --> 04:07:05,920 that UD do conveyed. I'm not sure what 5218 04:07:05,920 --> 04:07:08,160 happened to the rest of it, but this is 5219 04:07:08,160 --> 04:07:11,439 what's left. And it it was act if you 5220 04:07:11,439 --> 04:07:12,880 look at the deed, it actually says it 5221 04:07:12,880 --> 04:07:14,640 was something like 24 acres that they 5222 04:07:14,640 --> 04:07:15,439 conveyed to us. 5223 04:07:15,439 --> 04:07:16,319 >> Interesting. 5224 04:07:16,319 --> 04:07:17,199 >> Yeah. 5225 04:07:17,199 --> 04:07:20,160 >> So, wow. All right. I digress while the 5226 04:07:20,160 --> 04:07:21,520 public hearing is open. Anyone else 5227 04:07:21,520 --> 04:07:24,560 would like to speak to this? 5228 04:07:24,560 --> 04:07:27,359 >> Seeing no one who would like to um 5229 04:07:27,359 --> 04:07:28,880 speak, I'll go ahead and close the 5230 04:07:28,880 --> 04:07:31,120 public hearing and bring it back to the 5231 04:07:31,120 --> 04:07:34,560 council for discussion. Let's discuss. 5232 04:07:34,560 --> 04:07:35,199 can ask some questions. 5233 04:07:35,199 --> 04:07:36,720 >> Okay, Council Member Millet. 5234 04:07:36,720 --> 04:07:39,359 >> Okay, so as was indicated, we received 5235 04:07:39,359 --> 04:07:41,359 some emails right before this meeting. 5236 04:07:41,359 --> 04:07:44,000 So, if we could, and I know this has 5237 04:07:44,000 --> 04:07:45,680 been discussed at different times, but 5238 04:07:45,680 --> 04:07:47,760 let's just make sure we're clear on 5239 04:07:47,760 --> 04:07:50,800 what's happening here and what the 5240 04:07:50,800 --> 04:07:53,120 um implications are. So, they have that 5241 04:07:53,120 --> 04:07:55,199 these neighbors who live next to this 5242 04:07:55,199 --> 04:07:57,199 property have significant concerns 5243 04:07:57,199 --> 04:08:00,399 regarding access. And I believe that's 5244 04:08:00,399 --> 04:08:04,080 the um rear, you know what they've 5245 04:08:04,080 --> 04:08:05,279 talked about. Would you kind of address 5246 04:08:05,279 --> 04:08:06,239 that one first? 5247 04:08:06,239 --> 04:08:08,560 >> Um to the access to the north is the 5248 04:08:08,560 --> 04:08:11,920 career rear family. Um that's the 5249 04:08:11,920 --> 04:08:14,000 Sunflower Dunes project that needs uh 5250 04:08:14,000 --> 04:08:15,840 sewer connection of some kind. There's a 5251 04:08:15,840 --> 04:08:19,359 difficulty in in uh accessing or or 5252 04:08:19,359 --> 04:08:21,040 providing facilities serving this 5253 04:08:21,040 --> 04:08:24,640 property that the career zone. um a a 5254 04:08:24,640 --> 04:08:25,920 street coming up into here and 5255 04:08:25,920 --> 04:08:27,199 development of this property would run a 5256 04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:29,040 sewer line, allow us to connect that out 5257 04:08:29,040 --> 04:08:31,680 here and then serve them with sewer and 5258 04:08:31,680 --> 04:08:33,040 other properties in here. There's a lot 5259 04:08:33,040 --> 04:08:34,960 of properties on the east that are also 5260 04:08:34,960 --> 04:08:37,199 on septic that can be served with sewer 5261 04:08:37,199 --> 04:08:37,600 as well. 5262 04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:39,279 >> Can I give you an address without uh 5263 04:08:39,279 --> 04:08:41,920 1554 South 325 West? 5264 04:08:41,920 --> 04:08:42,399 >> Okay, 5265 04:08:42,399 --> 04:08:44,000 >> that's the individual who has this 5266 04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:44,640 concern. 5267 04:08:44,640 --> 04:08:45,680 >> Okay, 5268 04:08:45,680 --> 04:08:46,640 >> so is this 5269 04:08:46,640 --> 04:08:49,120 >> the concern is about access or about 5270 04:08:49,120 --> 04:08:51,359 >> access, safety, and infrastructure. So, 5271 04:08:51,359 --> 04:08:52,720 I think we've answered most of these, 5272 04:08:52,720 --> 04:08:54,560 but the the access is going to be to the 5273 04:08:54,560 --> 04:08:55,840 rear property. Yeah. 5274 04:08:55,840 --> 04:08:59,040 >> Safety's the fire um chief's you know, 5275 04:08:59,040 --> 04:09:00,960 access there and then the 5276 04:09:00,960 --> 04:09:03,199 infrastructures, the sewer, water. 5277 04:09:03,199 --> 04:09:05,680 >> Maybe just review all those briefly so 5278 04:09:05,680 --> 04:09:08,239 we can um indicate we've received these 5279 04:09:08,239 --> 04:09:09,439 and we want to really address their 5280 04:09:09,439 --> 04:09:10,000 concerns. 5281 04:09:10,000 --> 04:09:14,160 >> That's a great that's great. Let me do it this this way probably. So, 5282 04:09:14,160 --> 04:09:16,239 in terms of access, what what we're able 5283 04:09:16,239 --> 04:09:18,640 to do, you can see um Jay referred to 5284 04:09:18,640 --> 04:09:20,720 that dirt road that runs along the east 5285 04:09:20,720 --> 04:09:23,600 kind of spine of this property. Um 5286 04:09:23,600 --> 04:09:25,199 that's this area here. And you can see 5287 04:09:25,199 --> 04:09:26,800 that dash those dash lines. Those would 5288 04:09:26,800 --> 04:09:28,880 all be easement uh that we can allow 5289 04:09:28,880 --> 04:09:31,120 access for these folks to get to their 5290 04:09:31,120 --> 04:09:32,800 properties if they need to across the 5291 04:09:32,800 --> 04:09:35,680 back of these others. Um these are these 5292 04:09:35,680 --> 04:09:38,479 are large enough to be R8 properties and 5293 04:09:38,479 --> 04:09:40,399 still provide that kind of easement. uh 5294 04:09:40,399 --> 04:09:42,239 they could these folks could get to 5295 04:09:42,239 --> 04:09:43,760 their properties when they need it. We 5296 04:09:43,760 --> 04:09:45,600 could provide sewer to their properties. 5297 04:09:45,600 --> 04:09:47,199 Um it's here in the road, but they could 5298 04:09:47,199 --> 04:09:49,120 run through those utility easements and 5299 04:09:49,120 --> 04:09:51,199 let them be sewered finally after the 5300 04:09:51,199 --> 04:09:52,960 years of being on septic if should they 5301 04:09:52,960 --> 04:09:55,279 choose to do that. Um there's even 5302 04:09:55,279 --> 04:09:58,399 enough land that we could provide uh a a 5303 04:09:58,399 --> 04:10:00,560 roadway or some sort of private road for 5304 04:10:00,560 --> 04:10:02,720 them to serve flag lots if they wanted 5305 04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:04,319 to. A lot of those properties are large. 5306 04:10:04,319 --> 04:10:05,680 They could develop in the future if they 5307 04:10:05,680 --> 04:10:07,120 wanted to. That would of course be up to 5308 04:10:07,120 --> 04:10:08,399 them. We would just provide the easement 5309 04:10:08,399 --> 04:10:10,000 as part of our subdivision. That's a 5310 04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:11,279 commitment that we made during the 5311 04:10:11,279 --> 04:10:13,120 neighborhood meeting and 5312 04:10:13,120 --> 04:10:14,640 >> please show the fire access. 5313 04:10:14,640 --> 04:10:15,680 >> Okay. And fire access. 5314 04:10:15,680 --> 04:10:17,120 >> I don't know what happened to ours. My 5315 04:10:17,120 --> 04:10:18,239 screen's blank. Is your screen 5316 04:10:18,239 --> 04:10:20,000 >> right now? Those folks are all these 5317 04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:22,399 properties. Um, let me go back to this. 5318 04:10:22,399 --> 04:10:25,040 So these properties fire would be fought 5319 04:10:25,040 --> 04:10:26,800 on those properties from this road here, 5320 04:10:26,800 --> 04:10:29,439 not from the backside. Um, so I'm not 5321 04:10:29,439 --> 04:10:30,560 sure about the fire access question 5322 04:10:30,560 --> 04:10:33,040 unless they were to develop a flag 5323 04:10:33,040 --> 04:10:34,319 >> for the subdivision. The new 5324 04:10:34,319 --> 04:10:34,880 subdivision. 5325 04:10:34,880 --> 04:10:37,199 >> Yeah. In the subdivision. fire access 5326 04:10:37,199 --> 04:10:38,399 for the subdivision would go up into the 5327 04:10:38,399 --> 04:10:39,840 this is a standard culde-sac. It's not 5328 04:10:39,840 --> 04:10:41,600 too long. It meets all of our normal 5329 04:10:41,600 --> 04:10:43,120 emergency 5330 04:10:43,120 --> 04:10:44,720 access for that. So there's there's no 5331 04:10:44,720 --> 04:10:46,319 question on on the subdivision that 5332 04:10:46,319 --> 04:10:48,800 we're sort of in concept proposing for 5333 04:10:48,800 --> 04:10:50,399 fire access or emergency services. 5334 04:10:50,399 --> 04:10:52,720 That's all well served. It is steep. 5335 04:10:52,720 --> 04:10:54,239 That's for sure. Coming up this hill 5336 04:10:54,239 --> 04:10:56,239 right here, this would be fairly steep, 5337 04:10:56,239 --> 04:10:57,920 but those grades all get approved as 5338 04:10:57,920 --> 04:10:59,199 part of the subdivision process. We have 5339 04:10:59,199 --> 04:11:02,160 to look at all of that and that corner. 5340 04:11:02,160 --> 04:11:04,319 The the chief loves 90° angles wherever 5341 04:11:04,319 --> 04:11:08,560 we can get them. I know. Um but uh they 5342 04:11:08,560 --> 04:11:10,080 we'll put that through its paces. It has 5343 04:11:10,080 --> 04:11:12,319 to meet all of our standards. 5344 04:11:12,319 --> 04:11:15,199 >> But one thing with this, if we can go 5345 04:11:15,199 --> 04:11:18,479 back to the uh map, the 5346 04:11:18,479 --> 04:11:19,760 >> Do you want the subdivision map, Gary, 5347 04:11:19,760 --> 04:11:20,560 or the aerial? 5348 04:11:20,560 --> 04:11:21,840 >> Subdivision map. 5349 04:11:21,840 --> 04:11:23,520 >> I I'm on the subdivision map, but we've 5350 04:11:23,520 --> 04:11:24,319 got a 5351 04:11:24,319 --> 04:11:25,359 >> Yeah, we keep 5352 04:11:25,359 --> 04:11:25,760 >> There we go. 5353 04:11:25,760 --> 04:11:29,840 That utility uh access 5354 04:11:29,840 --> 04:11:35,199 between uh uh lot C6 and lot C5. that 5355 04:11:35,199 --> 04:11:38,960 goes up there. If you can see that. Um, 5356 04:11:38,960 --> 04:11:42,000 no, no, no, no, no. Off the bulb of the 5357 04:11:42,000 --> 04:11:43,520 culdeac. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, right 5358 04:11:43,520 --> 04:11:44,800 there. [laughter] 5359 04:11:44,800 --> 04:11:48,160 >> That it that's where some water sewer 5360 04:11:48,160 --> 04:11:51,120 can come down and that's how we can get 5361 04:11:51,120 --> 04:11:54,800 sewer from people who are on septic 5362 04:11:54,800 --> 04:11:57,520 north of this area. It would provide a 5363 04:11:57,520 --> 04:11:59,279 way for them to hook into the city 5364 04:11:59,279 --> 04:12:02,800 system also. But that uh access that 5365 04:12:02,800 --> 04:12:04,800 we're talking about would also be a 5366 04:12:04,800 --> 04:12:07,600 pedestrian access that in emergency 5367 04:12:07,600 --> 04:12:10,479 situations, emergency vehicles would be 5368 04:12:10,479 --> 04:12:13,120 able to get through there and provide 5369 04:12:13,120 --> 04:12:16,080 more safety to the neighborhood uh with 5370 04:12:16,080 --> 04:12:18,479 that. So while uh there would not be 5371 04:12:18,479 --> 04:12:21,199 routine cars driving through that, it 5372 04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:23,760 still would provide uh connections 5373 04:12:23,760 --> 04:12:25,120 between the neighborhoods for 5374 04:12:25,120 --> 04:12:27,920 pedestrians, bicyclists, but it also 5375 04:12:27,920 --> 04:12:29,760 would be something we would work with 5376 04:12:29,760 --> 04:12:33,359 public safety that in a very very rare 5377 04:12:33,359 --> 04:12:35,520 emergency, they could use that area 5378 04:12:35,520 --> 04:12:36,479 somehow. 5379 04:12:36,479 --> 04:12:38,160 >> Perfect. And then just kind of to the 5380 04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:40,399 infrastructure addressing the community 5381 04:12:40,399 --> 04:12:43,040 benefit um 5382 04:12:43,040 --> 04:12:44,720 m 5383 04:12:44,720 --> 04:12:49,520 of this helping people connect to city 5384 04:12:49,520 --> 04:12:50,239 sewer. 5385 04:12:50,239 --> 04:12:50,640 >> Sure. 5386 04:12:50,640 --> 04:12:52,239 >> Versus the septic. 5387 04:12:52,239 --> 04:12:54,399 >> So that that's a that's a big benefit 5388 04:12:54,399 --> 04:12:56,080 and I and I gather it's been sort of a 5389 04:12:56,080 --> 04:12:57,520 promise that was made that at some point 5390 04:12:57,520 --> 04:13:00,720 we would provide that kind of access uh 5391 04:13:00,720 --> 04:13:03,920 to city sewer. Um, and then just in 5392 04:13:03,920 --> 04:13:06,399 terms of this is the this is the best 5393 04:13:06,399 --> 04:13:08,399 way to provide that because it it allows 5394 04:13:08,399 --> 04:13:11,439 us some some way to help pay for that as 5395 04:13:11,439 --> 04:13:14,479 well, honestly. So, um, I don't know. Do 5396 04:13:14,479 --> 04:13:15,600 you want to say more about that? I'm not 5397 04:13:15,600 --> 04:13:16,319 sure what else to 5398 04:13:16,319 --> 04:13:17,680 >> I just and I appreciate that you're kind 5399 04:13:17,680 --> 04:13:20,080 of being repetitive here. I I I can 5400 04:13:20,080 --> 04:13:22,479 appreciate that. I'm just trying to make 5401 04:13:22,479 --> 04:13:24,479 sure that as I'm reading these emails 5402 04:13:24,479 --> 04:13:26,239 that we are kind of addressing because 5403 04:13:26,239 --> 04:13:28,159 those people's, you know, or individuals 5404 04:13:28,159 --> 04:13:29,760 aren't able to be here. So, 5405 04:13:29,760 --> 04:13:33,670 >> yeah. No, I understand. Thank you. 5406 04:13:33,680 --> 04:13:35,920 All right, council. Any other 5407 04:13:35,920 --> 04:13:39,990 discussion? 5408 04:13:40,000 --> 04:13:42,640 I have a question. Is uh how long ago 5409 04:13:42,640 --> 04:13:47,510 was this zone PF's zone? 5410 04:13:47,520 --> 04:13:49,279 » I believe in 2022. 5411 04:13:49,279 --> 04:13:53,359 >> So, it it was residential from whenever 5412 04:13:53,359 --> 04:13:54,319 >> from way back 5413 04:13:54,319 --> 04:13:55,680 >> to 2022. 5414 04:13:55,680 --> 04:13:58,239 >> Yep. And so and it's been public 5415 04:13:58,239 --> 04:14:00,800 facilities and that was that that action 5416 04:14:00,800 --> 04:14:03,680 was taken as as I recall a blanket just 5417 04:14:03,680 --> 04:14:05,680 reszone every piece of property that the 5418 04:14:05,680 --> 04:14:06,640 city owns. 5419 04:14:06,640 --> 04:14:07,279 >> Yes. 5420 04:14:07,279 --> 04:14:09,040 >> Within the its city limits. 5421 04:14:09,040 --> 04:14:09,359 >> Yes. 5422 04:14:09,359 --> 04:14:10,319 >> To PF. 5423 04:14:10,319 --> 04:14:11,040 >> Yes. 5424 04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:13,520 >> So there wasn't a direct 5425 04:14:13,520 --> 04:14:16,399 >> like saying we're going to reszone 5426 04:14:16,399 --> 04:14:18,080 this piece. It was just 5427 04:14:18,080 --> 04:14:19,840 >> correct. Yeah. It wasn't that hey we're 5428 04:14:19,840 --> 04:14:22,239 zoning this PF for a specific purpose at 5429 04:14:22,239 --> 04:14:24,960 that time. It was a blanket. All city 5430 04:14:24,960 --> 04:14:25,760 property was 5431 04:14:25,760 --> 04:14:26,960 >> and school property, wasn't it? 5432 04:14:26,960 --> 04:14:28,800 >> And school district property, too. Yes. 5433 04:14:28,800 --> 04:14:30,560 >> Okay. Okay. I remember reading about 5434 04:14:30,560 --> 04:14:30,960 that. 5435 04:14:30,960 --> 04:14:31,439 >> Yes. 5436 04:14:31,439 --> 04:14:34,319 >> So, okay. Thank you. Uh, Mr. McCann, did 5437 04:14:34,319 --> 04:14:35,520 you have a comment? 5438 04:14:35,520 --> 04:14:38,000 >> Yes. Someone uh I can't remember who 5439 04:14:38,000 --> 04:14:41,520 made a comment something about uh this 5440 04:14:41,520 --> 04:14:44,000 could be a possibly a park and change 5441 04:14:44,000 --> 04:14:47,359 and what's the city benefit? As we've 5442 04:14:47,359 --> 04:14:50,960 looked at this area, this city property 5443 04:14:50,960 --> 04:14:55,359 has been listed in the 2021 parks master 5444 04:14:55,359 --> 04:14:58,159 plan as a possibility of a park there. 5445 04:14:58,159 --> 04:15:00,560 But it also acknowledges that in this 5446 04:15:00,560 --> 04:15:04,479 southwest area, uh, this neighborhood is 5447 04:15:04,479 --> 04:15:07,520 served by, you know, several parks. Uh, 5448 04:15:07,520 --> 04:15:09,279 you've got Nelson's Grove just to the 5449 04:15:09,279 --> 04:15:12,720 south, Cherry Hill, and another park in 5450 04:15:12,720 --> 04:15:15,439 the area. And the nature of the 5451 04:15:15,439 --> 04:15:17,279 property, as you're probably aware, 5452 04:15:17,279 --> 04:15:20,960 makes it difficult to really be a usable 5453 04:15:20,960 --> 04:15:24,479 park. And so with that in mind, uh you 5454 04:15:24,479 --> 04:15:26,159 know, what could we do to make this a 5455 04:15:26,159 --> 04:15:29,279 park? What might the cost be to create a 5456 04:15:29,279 --> 04:15:32,640 park and the usefulness of the wider 5457 04:15:32,640 --> 04:15:35,120 community? And one of the driving forces 5458 04:15:35,120 --> 04:15:39,760 behind this in my mind was if we could 5459 04:15:39,760 --> 04:15:42,960 take this property, not spend the money 5460 04:15:42,960 --> 04:15:46,399 that would go into building a frankly 5461 04:15:46,399 --> 04:15:49,120 marginal park. It is uh a beautiful 5462 04:15:49,120 --> 04:15:52,319 piece of ground, but it is difficult to 5463 04:15:52,319 --> 04:15:54,960 uh build and maintain 5464 04:15:54,960 --> 04:15:57,279 and we could 5465 04:15:57,279 --> 04:16:00,800 develop it because it's our our property 5466 04:16:00,800 --> 04:16:04,080 and have the infrastructure in and then 5467 04:16:04,080 --> 04:16:07,920 sell the lots off to be homes. You would 5468 04:16:07,920 --> 04:16:10,399 have homes that could strengthen a 5469 04:16:10,399 --> 04:16:13,439 neighborhood bringing in uh uh 5470 04:16:13,439 --> 04:16:15,920 individual owners. And as a city, since 5471 04:16:15,920 --> 04:16:19,600 it's our property, um we've talked with 5472 04:16:19,600 --> 04:16:22,479 uh residents that we could do things and 5473 04:16:22,479 --> 04:16:25,760 think about uh ensuring that they are 5474 04:16:25,760 --> 04:16:29,520 owner occupied and possibly doing deed 5475 04:16:29,520 --> 04:16:31,920 restrictions and things like that to to 5476 04:16:31,920 --> 04:16:33,680 ensure that one they have owner 5477 04:16:33,680 --> 04:16:36,960 occupancy in the area. By doing this and 5478 04:16:36,960 --> 04:16:38,720 building the infrastructure, we can work 5479 04:16:38,720 --> 04:16:41,439 with like the careers and the people to 5480 04:16:41,439 --> 04:16:44,239 the east and those who are on septic. 5481 04:16:44,239 --> 04:16:47,520 Now we have a vehicle to put in the 5482 04:16:47,520 --> 04:16:49,680 infrastructure where careers could 5483 04:16:49,680 --> 04:16:52,319 develop. Uh neighbors could get on 5484 04:16:52,319 --> 04:16:55,199 septic system. Uh adjoining property 5485 04:16:55,199 --> 04:16:57,840 owners to the east could cooperate with 5486 04:16:57,840 --> 04:17:01,040 us and in some sort of cost sharing way 5487 04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:03,199 be able to develop the backside of their 5488 04:17:03,199 --> 04:17:05,760 property. And then as we've looked at 5489 04:17:05,760 --> 04:17:08,880 it, a developer at the end of the day 5490 04:17:08,880 --> 04:17:12,000 wants to make a profit. Uh we don't want 5491 04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:15,040 to make a profit. We want it to work and 5492 04:17:15,040 --> 04:17:17,120 function and then we want to give that 5493 04:17:17,120 --> 04:17:19,600 money. That would happen and the council 5494 04:17:19,600 --> 04:17:21,840 would have it and one of our suggestions 5495 04:17:21,840 --> 04:17:25,120 would be now take this money and where 5496 04:17:25,120 --> 04:17:27,840 can we in the southwest area which has 5497 04:17:27,840 --> 04:17:30,000 one of our greatest needs for parks as 5498 04:17:30,000 --> 04:17:33,040 it's developing. Can we leverage that 5499 04:17:33,040 --> 04:17:36,080 into a more usable park in a more in a 5500 04:17:36,080 --> 04:17:39,680 better area from the standpoint of being 5501 04:17:39,680 --> 04:17:42,800 more easily accessible to the community 5502 04:17:42,800 --> 04:17:45,199 at large? So, I think those are some of 5503 04:17:45,199 --> 04:17:48,080 the community benefits that we see by 5504 04:17:48,080 --> 04:17:51,120 doing this rather than just merely a 5505 04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:54,720 park there that the community as a whole 5506 04:17:54,720 --> 04:17:57,359 uh really can benefit on many many 5507 04:17:57,359 --> 04:18:00,960 levels uh because of this action. 5508 04:18:00,960 --> 04:18:03,359 All right. Thank you. Thank you for the 5509 04:18:03,359 --> 04:18:05,033 um explanation. 5510 04:18:05,033 --> 04:18:07,600 [gasps] All right, council. Any other 5511 04:18:07,600 --> 04:18:10,790 discussion? 5512 04:18:10,800 --> 04:18:11,840 » Mayor, 5513 04:18:11,840 --> 04:18:13,840 >> I hear voice. Okay. 5514 04:18:13,840 --> 04:18:15,520 >> Um I 5515 04:18:15,520 --> 04:18:17,840 >> I appreciate your sharing that. And I 5516 04:18:17,840 --> 04:18:20,319 just want to say that I I do support the 5517 04:18:20,319 --> 04:18:23,439 reason on this. Um I think that there's 5518 04:18:23,439 --> 04:18:25,840 clear benefit in helping uh connect 5519 04:18:25,840 --> 04:18:28,800 people to the sewer. Uh I think 5520 04:18:28,800 --> 04:18:30,560 particularly if we can have deed 5521 04:18:30,560 --> 04:18:33,680 restrictions that limit these homes to 5522 04:18:33,680 --> 04:18:35,680 uh owner occupied homes that it helps us 5523 04:18:35,680 --> 04:18:37,760 with our uh housing affordability 5524 04:18:37,760 --> 04:18:40,319 questions. And I I'm fully supportive of 5525 04:18:40,319 --> 04:18:44,159 the idea that as we potentially make 5526 04:18:44,159 --> 04:18:46,000 profit from selling some of those lots 5527 04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:50,560 that we uh put that into open space and 5528 04:18:50,560 --> 04:18:52,479 parks in the city to benefit the 5529 04:18:52,479 --> 04:18:55,680 community. Thanks. 5530 04:18:55,680 --> 04:18:57,279 >> All right. Thank you, Council Member 5531 04:18:57,279 --> 04:18:58,800 Mikum. 5532 04:18:58,800 --> 04:19:00,880 All right, council. If there's no 5533 04:19:00,880 --> 04:19:02,479 further discussion, would you like to 5534 04:19:02,479 --> 04:19:04,239 take some some sort of action? 5535 04:19:04,239 --> 04:19:07,279 >> I can make a motion. Um, I move that by 5536 04:19:07,279 --> 04:19:10,880 ordinance we amend article 2253A 5537 04:19:10,880 --> 04:19:13,359 and the zoning map of this city of ORM 5538 04:19:13,359 --> 04:19:15,120 by changing the zone of the properties 5539 04:19:15,120 --> 04:19:19,680 located generally at 360 West 1500 South 5540 04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:22,640 from PF public facilities 5541 04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:27,120 to R8 single family residential with the 5542 04:19:27,120 --> 04:19:29,520 intent of 5543 04:19:29,520 --> 04:19:31,040 um I'm not sure how to say this but 5544 04:19:31,040 --> 04:19:34,479 financing another park in in Oram. How 5545 04:19:34,479 --> 04:19:36,080 do I say that? Steve, 5546 04:19:36,080 --> 04:19:37,520 >> do you want to include We need to 5547 04:19:37,520 --> 04:19:39,120 include the R12 in 5548 04:19:39,120 --> 04:19:42,399 >> Oh, and the and um R12 single family 5549 04:19:42,399 --> 04:19:44,159 residential. 5550 04:19:44,159 --> 04:19:46,000 >> So, your motion includes So, just to 5551 04:19:46,000 --> 04:19:46,399 make sure. 5552 04:19:46,399 --> 04:19:48,159 >> You want me to read that again? Located. 5553 04:19:48,159 --> 04:19:49,359 >> You can read again. Yeah. 5554 04:19:49,359 --> 04:19:52,560 >> From located generally at 360 West, 1500 5555 04:19:52,560 --> 04:19:55,920 South from PF public facilities and R12 5556 04:19:55,920 --> 04:19:58,560 single family residential to R8 single 5557 04:19:58,560 --> 04:20:01,120 family residential 5558 04:20:01,120 --> 04:20:03,600 with the approximately 5.45 four or five 5559 04:20:03,600 --> 04:20:05,840 acres with the intent of creating 5560 04:20:05,840 --> 04:20:08,399 another park elsewhere in 5561 04:20:08,399 --> 04:20:10,000 >> Is that something is that can we include 5562 04:20:10,000 --> 04:20:12,319 that what a direction on what the the 5563 04:20:12,319 --> 04:20:13,439 sale of the the proceeds? 5564 04:20:13,439 --> 04:20:14,319 >> Sure. 5565 04:20:14,319 --> 04:20:16,239 >> Okay. 5566 04:20:16,239 --> 04:20:17,920 All right. We have a motion. Thank you, 5567 04:20:17,920 --> 04:20:21,600 Council Member Mill. Is there a second? 5568 04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:22,960 >> I second. 5569 04:20:22,960 --> 04:20:26,720 >> Okay. Council member Gail second. Right. 5570 04:20:26,720 --> 04:20:29,359 Okay. Because we had a tie here. All 5571 04:20:29,359 --> 04:20:32,800 right. Is there any further discussion? 5572 04:20:32,800 --> 04:20:34,560 All right. Council member Lamson, how do 5573 04:20:34,560 --> 04:20:35,600 you vote? 5574 04:20:35,600 --> 04:20:37,840 >> I vote I 5575 04:20:37,840 --> 04:20:40,080 >> I. 5576 04:20:40,080 --> 04:20:41,920 >> Council member Mikum. 5577 04:20:41,920 --> 04:20:44,800 >> I 5578 04:20:44,800 --> 04:20:49,359 >> All right. Motion carries. Thank you. 5579 04:20:49,359 --> 04:20:51,600 >> Thank you. And then the next item on our 5580 04:20:51,600 --> 04:20:54,159 agenda is this is financial items. 5581 04:20:54,159 --> 04:20:55,920 Council members, you'll find the 5582 04:20:55,920 --> 04:20:57,840 financial statement in your city council 5583 04:20:57,840 --> 04:21:02,239 meeting packet. And so item number 12 is 5584 04:21:02,239 --> 04:21:05,160 um an opportunity for city manager to 5585 04:21:05,160 --> 04:21:09,040 [gasps] impart information upon us. 5586 04:21:09,040 --> 04:21:10,479 Thank you, mayor and council. Just one 5587 04:21:10,479 --> 04:21:12,319 quick item. You'll notice on your 5588 04:21:12,319 --> 04:21:14,800 calendar there is uh an event coming up 5589 04:21:14,800 --> 04:21:16,640 towards the end of the month. It's a 5590 04:21:16,640 --> 04:21:18,560 collaboration between our arts council 5591 04:21:18,560 --> 04:21:22,319 and the world uh world folk fest 5592 04:21:22,319 --> 04:21:27,680 organization and it'll take place on a Wednesday during our very popular 5593 04:21:27,680 --> 04:21:30,560 farmers market. something new that we're 5594 04:21:30,560 --> 04:21:32,800 um adding as an opportunity for you 5595 04:21:32,800 --> 04:21:36,479 since you are all uh uh wonderfully 5596 04:21:36,479 --> 04:21:40,560 social people loving people. Um we will 5597 04:21:40,560 --> 04:21:44,239 we are we are adding um a tent wherein 5598 04:21:44,239 --> 04:21:45,840 uh you can come and interact with the 5599 04:21:45,840 --> 04:21:48,080 public and in this case you know there 5600 04:21:48,080 --> 04:21:50,000 will be um representatives and 5601 04:21:50,000 --> 04:21:52,159 performers from nine different countries 5602 04:21:52,159 --> 04:21:55,120 around the world. Um, so that that's 5603 04:21:55,120 --> 04:21:56,640 just something we want you to be aware 5604 04:21:56,640 --> 04:22:00,080 of as we as uh our the popularity of our 5605 04:22:00,080 --> 04:22:02,479 events continues. Uh, we want to make 5606 04:22:02,479 --> 04:22:04,880 sure you have an opportunity to interact 5607 04:22:04,880 --> 04:22:06,960 with people and and answer their 5608 04:22:06,960 --> 04:22:09,840 questions and and listen to, you know, 5609 04:22:09,840 --> 04:22:11,840 any feedback they have for us as a city. 5610 04:22:11,840 --> 04:22:14,720 >> So, this is the all things all things or 5611 04:22:14,720 --> 04:22:18,479 that like we did at summer or Oh. Oh, 5612 04:22:18,479 --> 04:22:22,399 here goes another babo. Okay. or fest to 5613 04:22:22,399 --> 04:22:24,000 write on the chalkboard again. 5614 04:22:24,000 --> 04:22:26,000 >> I have to go back. Okay. The white board 5615 04:22:26,000 --> 04:22:29,439 and I are gonna Yes. Is this like we did 5616 04:22:29,439 --> 04:22:31,600 >> it's it's along that same vein in that 5617 04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:33,439 same spirit. Yes. 5618 04:22:33,439 --> 04:22:35,520 >> Yes. Well, while we while we have our 5619 04:22:35,520 --> 04:22:37,520 closed door meeting, I will be spending 5620 04:22:37,520 --> 04:22:41,359 my time at the whiteboard. All right. 5621 04:22:41,359 --> 04:22:44,479 And that concludes this this portion of 5622 04:22:44,479 --> 04:22:46,399 the meeting. Council, I would look for a 5623 04:22:46,399 --> 04:22:50,159 motion to adjourn to a close session in 5624 04:22:50,159 --> 04:22:52,000 the summit conference room to discuss 5625 04:22:52,000 --> 04:22:53,439 pending or reasonably imminent 5626 04:22:53,439 --> 04:22:54,880 litigation, the character or 5627 04:22:54,880 --> 04:22:56,880 professional competence of an individual 5628 04:22:56,880 --> 04:22:59,359 or the purchase and le or lease of real 5629 04:22:59,359 --> 04:23:00,319 property. 5630 04:23:00,319 --> 04:23:01,359 >> So moved. 5631 04:23:01,359 --> 04:23:03,120 >> Right. Thank you, Council Member Kilpac. 5632 04:23:03,120 --> 04:23:04,000 Is there a second? 5633 04:23:04,000 --> 04:23:04,800 >> Second. 5634 04:23:04,800 --> 04:23:08,800 >> Right. Thank you. Second. Who? 5635 04:23:08,800 --> 04:23:09,760 Oh, okay. 5636 04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:11,680 >> M. I 5637 04:23:11,680 --> 04:23:14,000 >> Okay. And so I go ahead and I'll vote I. 5638 04:23:14,000 --> 04:23:14,960 Council member Millet. 5639 04:23:14,960 --> 04:23:16,800 >> I I 5640 04:23:16,800 --> 04:23:17,199 >> I. 5641 04:23:17,199 --> 04:23:19,040 >> Council member Mikum. 5642 04:23:19,040 --> 04:23:21,520 >> I 5643 04:23:21,520 --> 04:23:25,600 >> And you already voted I. All right.