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like to welcome you to our work session

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today of the Warm City Council. Uh we

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have is everybody zooming in? Is

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everybody on? We have council. Okay. So

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we have council members, Kilpac, Neil

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Stein all um joining us virtually

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and we welcome them and we welcome you

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all here personally. So we'll go ahead

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and

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start with our first item. It's Utah

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County Major Crimes Update, fiveminute

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presentation, fivem minutee Q&A, and our

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presenters are our uh police chief BJ

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Robinson and Lieutenant Justin Gordon,

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the UCMC um field director. Welcome.

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>> Thank you.

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Mayor and Council. Um Justin

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Gordon works for the sheriff's office

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and he's the field director for Utah

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County Major Crime Task Force. Uh

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Lieutenant Phil Anderson is an ORM

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lieutenant. He's the director

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our task force. He's on vacation or he

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would be sitting here talking to you

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today. So, um second fiddle to that. Uh

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just want to kind of educate and talk to

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you about our task force. Um it's been

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on for over two decades. Uh our task

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force uh the fiduciary of the task force

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has been with Orland for a majority of

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that time, just over two decades. Uh and

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so we work a lot with Brandon and in

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finance and and things like that to uh

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you know make the task force run. The uh

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just this slide is just you know our

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logo and badge uh for our task force. It

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shows the agencies from Utah County u

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the federal partners um that are part of

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our task force. And so some agencies uh

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don't have any officers that participate

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in it. Um some of the larger agencies

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like us, Provo, um American Fork County

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have multiple uh officers and uh

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supervisors that provide support to the

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task force. Uh so what does the task

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force do? Uh their primary

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responsibility is uh drug trafficking

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organizations and uh drug enforcement uh

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around you know that affects our county

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and cities. um gang in enhance gang

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enforcement uh when needed and then any

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type of major crime or major incident

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that occurs where a police agency uh

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needs extra manpower or I as a chief say

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hey we need some extra manpower in this

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type of investigation uh then I would

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contact uh either Justin or Phil and and

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request u them to come and help and so

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that's our county on a map and just kind

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of shows a few of the the numbers

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associated with our our partners kind of

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the makeup of what it is. Uh we are

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grant funded. Uh there is a state grant

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that's a CCJJ grant and then a federal H

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highaida grant highintensity drug

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trafficking area. Uh then we are one of

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how many in Utah? I want to say three or

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four uh different H highaida agencies in Utah. And then the city assessment.

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So each year, uh, the city's assessed,

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um, kind of a, um, let's say a fee, just

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to keep the lights on type of a thing

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that helps go, uh, for overtime,

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training, equipment, um, things like

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that. And that's population based. Um,

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and that goes up incrementally every so often. Um,

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and so when I was a younger cop, um, and

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was a sergeant and I was assigned to the

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task force in the early 2000s into 2010,

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uh, the big drug, uh, that was causing

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our community's problems was meth. And

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then fast forward to when I was the

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director in Phil's spot in 27209, it was

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heroin. Uh fast forward to the last

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several years and it's now fentanyl. Um

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and so this just shows and highlights

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some of the fentanyl seizures year to

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date from 2025 until current of this is

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what's coming into our community. Um

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this, you know, we live in a wonderful

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place and a wonderful county. Uh we have

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major drug problems and major drug

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trafficking organizations that operate

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in our state and in our county. And so

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it's not just your

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uh local dealer uh that you may envision

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or may see on on a street corner. Uh but

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these are organizations that are

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operating in our communities. Uh that

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focused on they also focus on, you know,

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the the neighborhood problems. um but

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their primary goal is to disrupt uh

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major drug trafficking organizations.

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to throw at you to kind of not shock and

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awe but to realize the good work that

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they are doing on a continual basis. Um

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trying to think of where else to go with

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some of the mostly I wanted to answer

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any questions that you may have uh

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regarding uh the task force or uh what

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they do. Um

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about the task force is when we have

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would say either a homicide or a uh

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not more than a missing person but

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something that where time is of the

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essence where we need to find a suspect.

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before. They bring 38 detectives to bear

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like that. And they are all highly

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trained and highly efficient at

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surveillance, following people. Uh, most

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for the most part undetected um, and

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being able to bring a lot of manpower to

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bear on a incident and support. And I've

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seen that time and time again in our own

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agency in ORM and throughout the county

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of where the task force comes to as a

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force multiplier to an agency to help

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with that investigation. Um, and that's

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one of the other beauties that I

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appreciate about our task force

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appreciate about our county of being a

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chief in this county is the cooperation

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that we enjoy amongst other agencies uh

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to help one another out. Um and I think

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the our task force has operated for

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decades uh under that same understanding

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that team effort. Um and it continues

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questions that I don't know. [laughter]

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of how much of that is getting through

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that we're not

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that we're unaware of or that that is

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just sneaking through somehow.

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blows me away.

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2025 that is 2 million 2 and a.5 million

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pills of fentanyl. That's how we

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generally see the fentanyl is in pill

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form. Um they make it look like other

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pills, but uh yeah, we're not getting it

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all. Uh our goal is to, but we aren't.

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we we do a take down after our

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investigation. Uh we shut these

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organizations down for just a few weeks

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and then they send up more people, more

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groups. They're they're cartel related

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for the most part. That's where they're

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getting their supplies from. they're here and that's who we're after.

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it all, but we're trying our best. Uh

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year to date this year, we've had 30

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federal indictments just from our

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investigations, which is is huge. Um

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that's guys that will guys and gals that

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will take minimum mandatory sentences in

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the federal system for distributing

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drugs around Utah County. By comparison,

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when I was there maybe 10 years ago and

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thought we were doing a job, we were

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happy if we got double digits of federal

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indictments in a calendar year. And so

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just the the

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high level of work that they're doing uh

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for the feds to to take on a

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prosecution, everything needs to be

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buttoned up and uh eyes dotted, tees

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crossed at the utmost. And uh they're performing at that level.

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um can't remember what it's called up

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there by the National Guard, the federal

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at the bottom, right?

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analysts. Yeah, they're assigned to our

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task force full-time.

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they get down numbers, they have to pull

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one, but right now we have two, and

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they're doing behind the scenes work,

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uh, as we, you know, come up with

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suspect names, plates, addresses.

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us to tie to this investigation.

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figure out county most of what you do is

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you're in the county. So if things spill

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>> We are working to make Utah County a

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better place. However, if people are

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dealing drugs here, we will chase them

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wherever they reside. We spend a lot of

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time outside our county, but we we look

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for the ties to our county to keep them

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out of here.

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Valley. We are we're happy here, but

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there's stuff going on here.

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>> And we appreciate what you're doing.

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it sounds like you rotate officers

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through. How does that is it how does

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around every three to five years uh

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based upon need and and how they're

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performing, what needs we have back at

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the at the home agency. Maybe they

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promote out of that. Um maybe it's just

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their time. Um there's there's a it

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there's a lot of different philosophies

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on that. Um it does take time. It's a

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very specialized uh assignment down

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there and so you need to leave them in

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there marinating for a while till they

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get good at it. Um and so you don't want

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to pull them out just as they're

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starting to get good and getting

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traction and then pull them out. So

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there's there's kind of a sweet spot and

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sometimes that depends. Sometimes they

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benefit from uh timing and needs and

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they choose to rotate uh officers

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through. So, is that how it works? We

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have like 30, you said 38 detectives.

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Are they all 38 detectives are full-time

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with the UCMC, but ORM sends X number

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and they're full-time over there. Then

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they don't necessarily work here.

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>> So, ORM, we have the field director, the

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lieutenant, we have two sergeants, and

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then we have three detectives uh that

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are assigned there full-time. And so,

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over the years is um we used to have

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four and I want to say that was

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nine. Uh we used to have four

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detectives. Um but just manpower and

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restructuring sometimes when we're down

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on patrol. Uh don't like to pull them

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back from task force uh to come back to

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patrol. Um but if things got to bare

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bones then uh we have to staff patrol.

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So that would be a reason why.

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» Thank you. Thank you for your service

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and thank you for your work on this.

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Appreciate

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>> your support with this program. I always

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like to give a shout out to Brandon

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because uh he helps us uh quite a bit

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keeping our financials in order and

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helping us with things and so we try to

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make that lift as easy as possible but

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it is a lift nonetheless. Uh so we

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appreciate ORM being the fiduciary of

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the task force and it very much is a

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benefit uh to the task force.

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>> Thank you guys.

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>> Thank you.

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The next item on the agenda is a

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presentation by Tagert Bowen, city

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engineer, capital construction project

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update. 20 minute presentation,

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10-minute.

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There's Tiger. Hello, Tiger.

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>> Hi.

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was passes. I don't know if I have

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enough.

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It's too scary. All

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right. I've been asked to provide a

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presentation

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for CIP projects stands for capital

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improvement projects. And I thought it'd

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be good to have this map just as a

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reference and then get it later and

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river look at it while I'm talking

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up on the

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screen here showing all the projects.

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These aren't all construction projects

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going on right now, but everything that

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we're either working on coming up in the

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future or under construction.

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got them numbered there like uh for

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example

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number one open the map on the left side

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there near 8 north points over to the blue color which is a project Lance

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excavations working on and

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just to provide better clarity on the

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map it's not pointing to every blue but

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if you look at the different blue areas

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they're in the middle those are also

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lands number six points to project that

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silver spur's working on you can see the

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other green areas there in the middle.

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That's part of our tour project. So, got

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a lot going on. It'd be really hard in

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just a short time I have to go through

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every project and talk about everything

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we're doing, but there is a lot going

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on. Coordinate.

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And you can see there the numbering

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number 1 through 12 in construction.

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13 through 18 are projects that have

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been completed this year.

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19 through 28 are currently in the bid

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award process where we're working with

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contractors to either get them started

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on construction this year or they're

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just been advertised and we're looking

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at the the proposals and bids received.

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29 through 40 are upcoming future

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projects that were in our design process

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with our team working hard on those

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upcoming design projects. And then 41 in

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the 40s is the mag dot projects that are

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either coming up or most of those are

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under construction the big uh road

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widening type projects on

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mostly UD do

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» and mayor as as Tagert said this is as

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you can see there's so much going on

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that they're doing we don't have a lot

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of time to get into detail of each one

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this is intended to be an overview, give

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you a flavor. But if there are certain

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projects that you would like more

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information on, we can come back and get

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into more detail on uh those projects.

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» I wanted to just go over a little bit

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quickly what a CIP project entails. A

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lot of times we just see the

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construction going on. We see the roads

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being saved, but there's a lot of

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planning that goes on and all of that. I

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just want to go through quickly the

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phases of a capital improvement project.

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In the beginning, we have our pre-bid

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phase, which would be our staff's

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meeting with whoever has requested the

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project, whether it's public works,

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fire, police, or any of the departments

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in ORM that have a need or we're meeting

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with them trying to understand the scope

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of the project. We come up with a

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concept, put together a cost estimate,

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and then work closely with them to start

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kind of preparing, fine-tuning what that

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project entails. Look at right away. We

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have our city surveyor who will look at

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impacts to right away, whether we need

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to purchase right away, get easements.

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Our designers will will work with any

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stakeholders whether that's different

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agencies,

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property owners, public works and then

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outlines and specifications.

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Uh as we create the final plans, stamp

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those specifications together outlining

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what we'll be fitting for the project

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and advertise it.

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Maybe a proposal or bid award. put that

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through our online bidding process on

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Bonfire,

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the website we use. And then after we

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receive bids, we review those. We look

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at references. We make sure the bids are

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quantities are accurate. We come with We

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look at references.

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We put together

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contract agreements,

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make sure legal's good with that. We'll

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set up pre-construction meetings and

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make sure to look at submittals. We get

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into the construction phase where kind

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of all-encompassing for every one of

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these items is project management where

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we have a great team that we've got our

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design engineers that have been involved

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with planning from the very beginning.

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And then the construction engineers will

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come in with their experience and team

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up to manage the project. And they do a

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great job making sure

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following our city standards. So provide

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uh regular inspections making sure

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uh plans and standards are uh all our

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standards are being met. And then in the

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completion part they'll they'll verify

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that those items have been completed

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and then we have our payment performance

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bon making sure to

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uh have our warranty in there as well. I

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just wanted to highlight a few projects.

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We got some pictures of Dave Spencer

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over here. He would love this one. This

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is 950 North. As you can see,

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>> that one took four years.

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» That was just me for a year.

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>> It's been years in the making.

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[laughter]

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This is a picture of looking uh west

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on 950 North Lance putting the water

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line in. And then

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>> this is in the same place. You can see

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that wooden fence on the left. So, same

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location. There's the you can see the

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waterline patch there.

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And then this is BHI who we hired to do

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the roads project after Lance did their

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project doing the reconstruct.

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There's the

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paving.

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It's another project that's been going

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on on

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um I don't know the number of it on

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there. Center Street 12 West and then

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also 8 North 12 West. They've done a

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great job with making it look better.

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There's a picture of what it used to

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look like. There's a grading of that

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area. This is right off of 12 West and

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Center Street.

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>> What it looks like now.

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It looks so good now. I I hope it stays

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like that cuz it's it's hard to keep,

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you know, the weeds out of that type of

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rock. But it looks really good. It's

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your better tin. [laughter]

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» We're on it.

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>> You're on it.

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>> Really good. So, this is just south of

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there. What it used to look like. That's

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including

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it looks like now.

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This is the fire train facility down

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there near Johnson property 1600 West

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was a farm not farfield.

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Got the building going up, the two fire

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burn buildings in the background.

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There's the curb and gutter going in.

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Kind of what it looks like now. And then

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there's the the fence and landscaping.

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It's been a great great project.

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This is a project done by Eker. You can

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see on the plan I believe it was snow

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team that they put in a storm doris.

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This serves as a storm drain and also as

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a flush line for the well.

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And this is just a picture looking north

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line under the canal pipes.

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And that's what it looks like now.

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This is our concrete project was done

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earlier this year. They uh installed a

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speed table on 16 South So that's what

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it looked like before was done during

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the project. And then that's what it

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looks like now.

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ADA ramp.

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This project's currently going on. It's

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a micro construction. This is a water

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line just off of 1700 South and State

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Street.

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This is a picture of the installing

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storm drain line through the um

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business. I believe it's

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State

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>> down there. This is just off of about

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18th South and State Street looking

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east. You can see that flip brick

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building there. And that's what it looks

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like now. So, they did a really good job

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paving that striping's back. You can see

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under that car the panel there's a

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pave.

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This is a project down at Lakeside

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Sports Park going on right now. And

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that's what it looks like.

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See from the curb and gutter alignment

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it's moved to the east. So now lines up

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with the intersection to the south.

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This project, you're familiar with this,

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is fort southwest pump station Wall

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House, which has been ongoing for years

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and it's

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scheduled to be completed, I believe,

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next year.

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That's their part is a bid process.

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>> Just got them back. Just

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>> got bids. So, that one's coming up.

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Future project.

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This one is just I see the fence going

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up out here. It's just starting.

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I just saw the trees coming down.

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>> That was sad.

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>> There's a little melancholy watching

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them go down. I'll be honest with you.

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>> Oh,

546
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,391
but I'll trade that for the fence.

547
00:24:17,391 --> 00:24:18,640
[laughter]

548
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,440
>> I'll get over it.

549
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,559
>> Well, we'll we'll replace them 1.5 to

550
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,720
one. So, we'll put back in more that we

551
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,039
take down. trees.

552
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,760
There's just a site plan of the you know

553
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,919
what that will look like.

554
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,279
Now we're working with Avenue

555
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:38,960
Consultants on a center street widening

556
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,600
project between Geneva and 915 and that

557
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600
we've been working on that for for a

558
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,990
while with them. That's MAG project

559
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,400
or update.

560
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,159
Would you I know you said this already,

561
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:56,640
but would you reorient us on what the

562
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,960
different colors mean in the map?

563
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600
Yes.

564
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,440
So, if you look at the map, like the

565
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,120
yellow color, they're just related to

566
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,440
different projects. Yellow's for micro.

567
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600
So, you'd have to find the number that

568
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,360
points to. Like, if you look down at um

569
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,400
on the right side of the map, number 10

570
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720
points to that yellow, they're on eight

571
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,360
South on the very side.

572
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,000
>> Yep.

573
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,919
>> And then look here on on the list.

574
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:29,520
Number 10 is going to be micro. So,

575
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,799
anything yellow in there would be

576
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,720
related to that.

577
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,039
Okay.

578
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,279
>> So, these colors on this map are related

579
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,919
to different types of street

580
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:41,120
maintenance. Yeah. Nice.

581
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,600
>> Yeah, the green are related to sewer.

582
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,880
Then

583
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,400
>> purple for storm drain and blue for

584
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:53,669
water.

585
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,799
» And I need to

586
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,360
thank Tagert for putting this together.

587
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,600
As you can see, there's a tremendous

588
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,120
amount of work going on in the city. Not

589
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,520
just projects that have recently been done, but we're in the process of

590
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720
doing and in the process of designing

591
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
and bidding. The vast majority of the

592
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,960
projects that we do in the city are done

593
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,440
inhouse by Tagert. Tagert in effect runs

594
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320
probably one of the best engineering

595
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,080
firms in the state.

596
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,440
>> We design uh these projects. We work

597
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159
with public works and Reed and his group

598
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,559
on their needs. We take the we

599
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,640
coordinate with them. We look at the

600
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,360
projects. We design them in house. We

601
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,440
bid them out. We hire a contractor and

602
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,400
we manage the construction project all

603
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,840
in house. A lot of communities don't do

604
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,120
that. The advantage that that gives us

605
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,799
is we're very nimble. And if we get in

606
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,240
the middle of a project and a uh

607
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,880
different priority rises to the surface,

608
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,039
we can quickly pivot. We we don't have

609
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,840
uh I don't ever have a conversation with

610
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Tagard about, well, Gary, that's a

611
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,518
change order that we're going to charge

612
00:27:17,518 --> 00:27:19,909
[laughter]

613
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,559
because we're doing it inhouse and it

614
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,120
gives us a lot of flexibility.

615
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,320
It also saves us money in the long run.

616
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,080
A lot of communities, alls they're doing

617
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,559
are managing contracts. Believe it or

618
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,600
not, some construction companies, uh,

619
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,919
alls they have is somebody, uh, they'll

620
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,600
have a person on staff who does nothing

621
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,919
but look for change orders. So, we're

622
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,720
able to, since we know the project, our

623
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,880
engineers will be working closely with

624
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,919
the police department on theirs. So, we

625
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:55,679
do this across the board. It's really I I know I'm going on and on, but too

626
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,600
bad. You have to listen to this because

627
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,799
>> Oh, this is [laughter]

628
00:27:58,799 --> 00:27:59,760
helpful.

629
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,240
>> Helpful

630
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,760
>> because uh Tagger leads truly one of the

631
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960
best engineering firms in the state and

632
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,520
we do this inhouse and it's a great

633
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,440
benefit to the city and to the taxpayer

634
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240
for how we do it.

635
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,679
up quality work.

636
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:18,159
>> Yes.

637
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:22,240
>> But at a very comparatively inexpensive

638
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,830
cost

639
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,080
» and municipal prices

640
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,600
>> and there's usually not the right hand

641
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,200
not knowing what the left hand's doing

642
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,159
because

643
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,154
>> same hand.

644
00:28:34,154 --> 00:28:36,870
[laughter]

645
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,960
» I got to give a shout out to our team.

646
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,480
If you if you don't know who's in the

647
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,799
engineering division, go meet them. Get

648
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,440
to know them. We've got a great group of

649
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,440
work hard. They do the behind the scenes

650
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,679
and they they're awesome to work with.

651
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:53,279
So you don't know them, go meet them and

652
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:54,720
get to know them. Really

653
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,320
>> the conversation will last all like

654
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,044
three minutes because they're talking

655
00:28:59,044 --> 00:29:01,430
[laughter]

656
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,630
they got somewhere to

657
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:05,600
[laughter]

658
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,240
be point and to tagger in terms of

659
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:08,960
teamwork.

660
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,559
>> You got one other picture too I want to

661
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,800
show that's questions about

662
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,600
>> [laughter]

663
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,159
>> Is that right?

664
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:16,799
>> That guy.

665
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,000
>> This is where Ryan came from.

666
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
>> That's lane gray is the focus.

667
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,935
>> Not even that was taken yesterday.

668
00:29:23,935 --> 00:29:26,310
[laughter]

669
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,175
» And this is when Ryan actually worked

670
00:29:29,175 --> 00:29:31,200
[laughter]

671
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,880
that day

672
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:41,750
>> actually.

673
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
So, uh,

674
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,360
>> on one of those pictures, we talked

675
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,679
about 950 north and there were multiple

676
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:50,320
pictures there because there were

677
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720
multiple, uh, kind of teamwork, working

678
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640
together, left hand and right hand

679
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
needing to know and coordinate because

680
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,039
something could start out as a streets

681
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,440
project and then also turn into a water

682
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000
project and a storm drain project and a

683
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,475
sidewalk and trail and and

684
00:30:08,475 --> 00:30:09,120
[clears throat]

685
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000
landscaping project very quickly and

686
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,039
easily. So

687
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,200
>> this one right here, Brian.

688
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,360
>> So if if each of these services and

689
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,720
infrastructure subjects were disparit,

690
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,039
then yeah, there would be conflicts and

691
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,399
we would run into the possibility of,

692
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:32,799
you know, redoing a waterline one one

693
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,039
month and then the next month realize we

694
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,880
need to go back and do some more and

695
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,559
clean up the road all over again. So,

696
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,320
>> what you're saying, Bren, is exactly why

697
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
that took a little longer is we had to

698
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,679
coordinate all of those improvements and

699
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:51,440
funding for the large water tank project

700
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
uh was was needed. So, we had to wait

701
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
until we had enough funds to do that.

702
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,799
So, we're glad we got it.

703
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,159
>> So, what you're saying, Reed, is we

704
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,080
should go tell that to commissioner

705
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720
elect Dave Spencer. [laughter]

706
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Good lesson.

707
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Mayor, may I also point out this is the

708
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,159
uh plan, part of the plan for the police

709
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:15,679
station,

710
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:18,240
uh the fence around it. If you can just

711
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,399
see all of the comments and how

712
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:22,559
complicated, you think, oh, we're just

713
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,200
going to put in a fence. It's not that

714
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,399
simple. There's so much work goes on

715
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,200
behind the scenes. And so that the

716
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,559
public knows we treat ourselves just

717
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,840
like a developer who would come in and

718
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240
develop in the city. We go through the

719
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,600
same process. Uh so in in Taggard shop

720
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,559
have an engineering design group who

721
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,440
comes in and designs projects and we

722
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,880
have a private development group that

723
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840
reviews the work of private developers

724
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,159
when they come in. Our plans go through

725
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:03,360
the same process that we go anybody in

726
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,279
the community who would develop or build

727
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,919
an ORM, we go through the same process

728
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:12,000
ourselves as we ask them to do. And so

729
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,440
we have lots of comments and so we work

730
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,760
with a client to make sure their needs

731
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,640
are met. We work to make sure all uh

732
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,039
development issues are resolved and the

733
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:30,230
public's protected.

734
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,799
I have a thing I noticed I read an op-ed

735
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,640
today. I think it was in this weekend's

736
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360
paper and it was it was pointed towards

737
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,880
municipal

738
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,960
officials and it was really interesting

739
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,799
because it talked about you know we're

740
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,559
always there for the ribbon cutings and

741
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,720
for the you know celebrations of

742
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,120
something new, new water tanks, new

743
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,679
whatever. Um, but it's also important to

744
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,840
be there for the maintenance to keep

745
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
those in that infrastructure maintained

746
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360
and taken care of and continuing to

747
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,200
serve the purpose that that ribbon was

748
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840
cut for, you know, and I've been to

749
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,919
cities, I think we all have, locations,

750
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,000
areas that haven't necessarily done

751
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320
that. I think I really appreciate your

752
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
forethought. you're you're juggling the

753
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,000
finances to make that work because that

754
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200
is so important to keep a city at this

755
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360
same level of of goodness. I you know

756
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,679
the the city who shall not be named, but

757
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:25,840
I go to a doctor heading up north a

758
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,200
little bit and I know right when I'm in

759
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
that city when I drive on their roads.

760
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,600
So totally appreciate all that you guys

761
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,480
do and and yeah behind the scenes this

762
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,320
is so important to save money for our

763
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,399
taxpayers.

764
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:42,399
Thank you.

765
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:45,760
>> Any other questions or comments? Council

766
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,679
may

767
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:49,519
>> do you convey our appreciation to your

768
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,950
team as well?

769
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,600
» Next item on the agenda is a general

770
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,200
plan process update by Jared Hall, our

771
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,799
planning director. 15 minute

772
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,079
presentation, 15 minute Q&A. So, while

773
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,720
Jared's coming up, uh we started doing

774
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,760
an update of the general plan uh quite a

775
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,399
while ago, as you may be aware. And uh

776
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:22,720
as the planning commission uh well over

777
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,679
a year ago got into it, um I think they

778
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,760
found it's a little more complicated to

779
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,800
do uh a general plan update and then uh

780
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,919
than they may have thought. And we also

781
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,879
had then with on the planning commission

782
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:42,159
uh some illnesses and resignations and

783
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,440
things like that that came up. We now

784
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,800
have a uh planning commission that's uh

785
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,560
up and running with quite a few new

786
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,399
members. And so we've been working with

787
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,879
them and we wanted to come in and give

788
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:00,079
you an update on the general plan

789
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,680
process and where we are and where we

790
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,599
will be. And we think we're on a good

791
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,320
trajectory.

792
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,200
>> Okay, great.

793
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,160
>> Well, Jared,

794
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,599
>> thanks. Thanks for the thanks for the

795
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,520
intro and I will uh I'll jump into it

796
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,240
and then leave plenty of time for for

797
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,880
questions. Um and you can go talk to the

798
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,480
engineers. They're they're chattier than

799
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,400
you think. [laughter]

800
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,720
With Sammy every day,

801
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,844
Ro is a conversationalist.

802
00:35:24,844 --> 00:35:27,109
[laughter]

803
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,880
» General plan. So I did the first slide

804
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,400
is a timeline just an idea of what we think we can do if we if we um

805
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,160
if we maintain a couple of areas of

806
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,359
focus and and uh and really and really

807
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:42,000
pin ourselves down. Um and we can come

808
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,440
back to this later again too after we've

809
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,640
talked about what goes into a general

810
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,400
plan and kind of where we where we see

811
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920
it as a group uh needing to refocus. Uh

812
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,160
during August and September and October,

813
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,000
we need to be able to draft what we'd

814
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
like to do. We have some chapters that

815
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
are drafted and reviewed um that need

816
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,920
some more work and some that just need

817
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,640
um filling in. Um we can come back to

818
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,839
that as well, but we'd like to keep you

819
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,760
updated on it. So, we would plan on

820
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,560
updating the PC on where the draft is on

821
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,280
the 2nd of No of 2nd of uh September and

822
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,800
then you all on the 22nd. U we could do

823
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,560
that in work sessions or whatever works

824
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
out, but we want to be drafting during

825
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,720
August, September, and October. The plan

826
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,560
then would be to have that full draft

827
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,160
ready for review by you as a council and

828
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,440
the commission and key um key staff like

829
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,920
the directors and legal public works

830
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,040
everybody so that we're not fouling

831
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,599
anything up um between the 1st of

832
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,680
November, the beginning of November and

833
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,000
beginning of the holidays. uh that would

834
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,280
let us reddraft with edits uh during the

835
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,240
holidays and then be back in for

836
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,880
adoption at public hearings in January

837
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,760
and February. Um we we think we can do

838
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680
that if we pin down and draft during

839
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,680
these next few months uh the remainder

840
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,480
of what needs to be done and we can come

841
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,880
back and talk about a little more. But

842
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,119
um just for starters to talk about just

843
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,680
as a reminder the general plan these are

844
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,920
kind of the three

845
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,240
sort of guiding principles for the draft

846
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,240
work that we we need to get back to. The

847
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,000
general plan needs to be general. It

848
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,240
should be a highle planning document.

849
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,000
It's not the same thing as zoning. We

850
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,200
we've talked about that and I know

851
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,200
you're all aware, but uh just as a

852
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,720
reminder for for the new commissioners

853
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,720
as well, we we need to talk about this.

854
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,640
The general plan is a highle general

855
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,320
document. Um one of the goals um when we

856
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,440
first started doing this

857
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,280
at the end of 2024, talking about it and

858
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
really getting started in 2025 was to

859
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,359
align our general plan with the city's

860
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,359
area of focus and goals that had been

861
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:44,160
identified at that time. And then we

862
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,079
wanted to keep the focus of this general

863
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,680
plan on identifying objectives and

864
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,599
strategies. And the way that I would um

865
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,119
the example I would give is to remember

866
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,359
that general plans are not binding. Um

867
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:55,040
they're broad frameworks. And I I think

868
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,400
of it as this example is the one that I

869
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,160
always use. Connectivity is an idea that

870
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,320
belongs in a general plan. The idea that

871
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,440
in general connecting streets is usually

872
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,280
better uh for pedestrian safety, for for

873
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,119
efficient safety, and for vehicle safety

874
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,839
as well. But it's the general plan is

875
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:13,839
not where um the tables about the

876
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:15,359
allowed block lengths in different zones

877
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,040
belong or how long a terminal street can

878
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,880
be. For example, that that kind of

879
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,359
detail we won't have the data to support

880
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,359
uh those kinds of decisions in a general

881
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:24,960
plan. Anyway, it should just identify

882
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
that connectivity belongs in certain

883
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,839
areas or is more important in area B

884
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,240
than area A, for example. That's kind of

885
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,240
the the framework of a general plan and

886
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,200
the purpose of it. Um the the things

887
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,480
that we took out of the goals and

888
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,960
policies that the council had identified

889
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,480
uh to get into the general plan were

890
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,000
these safe and livable neighborhoods.

891
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,839
And there are some subcategories there

892
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:47,200
to promote approaches for owner

893
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640
occupancy. Uh balancing housing options

894
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,079
uh preserving character of existing

895
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,359
neighborhoods and planning for the

896
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:54,960
development of the heart of downtown to

897
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
enhance our community life. um thriving

898
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,440
in balanced business environments,

899
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,200
protecting strong economic foundations,

900
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,400
creating opportunities for small

901
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880
businesses, exploring opportunities like

902
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,240
incubator spaces and business

903
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,320
development programs, and fostering

904
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,560
connections with Utah Valley University

905
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,599
was one of the things that came up

906
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,119
early. And then dependable

907
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,480
infrastructure, timely updates to the

908
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,240
master transportation plan, efforts to

909
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,320
improve connection of trails, adopting

910
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,079
an active transportation master plan

911
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:21,920
that's in the works now, too. And then

912
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,599
continuing efforts for responsible water

913
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,520
use redevelopment projects. And that

914
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,280
water chapter is that was referencing

915
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,800
the water chapter and the water chapter

916
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,280
has been adopted as part of the plan.

917
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,119
Now

918
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,200
um a quick idea just these are some of

919
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,119
the plans and efforts that that get

920
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,359
referenced or should be referenced by

921
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:42,160
the general plan. For example, when we

922
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,000
say that we don't have we don't have the

923
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,720
data right now for a big discussion

924
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,560
about what block lengths ought to be to

925
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,320
promote safety or connectivity or what

926
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,720
have you. But different plans uh as they

927
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,000
get updated could give us that kind of

928
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,520
data. So that's the kind of thing that

929
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,720
needs to be referenced. The heart of

930
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,880
downtown uh was identified. The active

931
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,640
transportation plan, a comprehensive

932
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
housing study is probably needed at some

933
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,640
point. There's not a lot of good

934
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,800
planning for the south uh west area of

935
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,400
the city where a lot of things are

936
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,400
happening. Um quarter plans could be

937
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,000
looked at. Stationary plans could be

938
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,680
looked at. Neighborhood plans could be

939
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,040
updated. Um and again, I just relisted

940
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,200
those quarter plans because I'm just

941
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,079
that that way. um three of them right

942
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,160
there at the end already identified. But

943
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,680
these are these are kinds of plans. Some

944
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,440
of them exist or are in process right

945
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,720
now, but others are ones that the

946
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,880
general plan might identify as being

947
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,280
needed. Uh it wouldn't provide the data

948
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,400
for those. It wouldn't provide the

949
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,440
funding for those. It would just call

950
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,640
them out. It wouldn't even provide a

951
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,480
timeline for them necessarily. It would

952
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,839
just call out that they might be things

953
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,400
we need to look at. And with that, the

954
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
reason I bring this this slide up is to

955
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,720
show that the the draft work that needs

956
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,400
to be done on these is not impossible in

957
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,280
the three months that we're planning to knock this out. Um because really

958
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,520
they just need to be identified and what

959
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000
they can contribute.

960
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,319
Does that make sense? So with that in

961
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:02,720
mind, um the timeline that we're

962
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,079
proposing about the general plan, the

963
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,839
process in general, we're we're

964
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:07,839
proposing that we will do the writing

965
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,079
now uh the draft work. we were trying to

966
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:11,920
do this very iterative process with the

967
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,119
commission. They wanted to be very

968
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,119
involved in in how it would be written

969
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,520
and drafted. That that just did not

970
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,319
really work out. So, as we go forward,

971
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,160
we'll do that draft work ourselves and

972
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,240
present it uh for review instead. Uh

973
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:26,560
again,

974
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,000
>> I guess I would then question why are

975
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,400
you why do we have the uh what is that

976
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,599
we're second with the planning

977
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,280
commission? Should you do

978
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,520
>> it be an update on where the draft is?

979
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,079
So,

980
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,040
>> your work meeting with [clears throat]

981
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,760
us. I mean do I I thought we would pull

982
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,680
the planning commission in after

983
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,160
>> good

984
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,160
>> had worked through it as a council and

985
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,359
then pull them send to them and then

986
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:49,440
come back to us. That's kind of what

987
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040
>> I don't expect to have all of the draft

988
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,800
done on no this would just be like an

989
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,240
update of where we are. So I just put

990
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,560
them in and then my my brain always kind

991
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,119
of because I process stuff mainly as a

992
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:00,640
job I go from the planning commission to

993
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,000
the city council but we could do them in

994
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,760
the reverse order as well. We could show

995
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,839
you guys where wherever we are in the

996
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,640
draft as an update earlier in September

997
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,240
and put on the second September planning

998
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,440
commission meeting too. It doesn't it

999
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,040
doesn't really doesn't affect the

1000
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,440
timeline.

1001
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,119
>> So then would you I guess I'm trying to

1002
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:16,319
figure out are we going back to the

1003
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:17,920
planning commission again? What are we

1004
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,880
required to do

1005
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,280
>> eventually? Yes. The general plan is a

1006
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,800
document that has to be recommended by

1007
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,680
the planning commission.

1008
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,720
>> Yeah. State law says as I remember the

1009
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,160
state law gives a says a planning

1010
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,119
commission that's one of their very

1011
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,000
specific responsibilities is general

1012
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
plan and so that's why I think we have

1013
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,640
it this ways where where the state law

1014
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,040
says the planning commission

1015
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,480
does the general plan and makes a

1016
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,000
recommendation to the city council

1017
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,880
>> they'll have to hold

1018
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,640
>> twice I guess is my question it looks

1019
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,760
like we're

1020
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,400
>> um do you mean

1021
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,920
>> planning commission twice am I reading

1022
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,400
that wrong

1023
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,400
>> these are do you mean here at the end

1024
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,079
>> um

1025
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,119
yes

1026
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,400
>> we're reading draft review.

1027
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:54,720
>> So,

1028
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,880
>> oh, draft review. So,

1029
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,319
>> well, it looks like it might be three

1030
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:00,240
times. I didn't see that one, but I see

1031
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,920
>> this would be this full draft. Sorry, I

1032
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,280
should be more

1033
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,040
>> clear. So, this would these would just

1034
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,960
be updates. I don't want to draft for 3

1035
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,040
months and then come to to the

1036
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,640
commission and to the council and say,

1037
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,240
here's the full draft. I I want to

1038
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,160
midway through see if we're missing any

1039
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,319
big marks. So, in no in

1040
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:19,920
it's one of the burr months. September.

1041
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,920
Thank you. Appreciate that. uh in

1042
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,599
September, I would bring it to both

1043
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:24,880
bodies and say, "Here's where we are in

1044
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,640
the draft right now. Anything going

1045
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,480
wrong or are we way off base with this?"

1046
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,240
We would finish then and then the draft

1047
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,040
review being available from 112, but

1048
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,240
that's a Monday. That's the first Monday

1049
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,720
of November. That date having it

1050
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,920
available would be the draft is

1051
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,119
available and we wouldn't be bringing it

1052
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,720
to you. We would be making we'd email it

1053
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,520
to you, make it available to all to the

1054
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,040
planning commission, city council, save

1055
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,119
time at that point. So, at that point,

1056
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,240
we're just looking for comments from

1057
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,760
everybody uh to get big things fixed and

1058
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,359
edited through the holidays.

1059
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:55,440
>> Then the ring one is January. The

1060
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,079
>> public hearings happen in January.

1061
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,640
>> I'm I'm assuming too per her per her per body just in case.

1062
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,079
>> Are you kind of still looking for help

1063
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,359
from the planning commission, city

1064
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:06,880
council for your draft

1065
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,800
>> for input?

1066
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,480
were we were literally trying with the

1067
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520
first um goes at this general plan to

1068
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040
have we had a public facing um it was it

1069
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680
was not not easy to get to get a public

1070
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640
facing uh Google Drive so that the

1071
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,480
commission could literally commission

1072
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,800
members could edit comments in or or

1073
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,359
make comments in the idea was for a

1074
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:31,520
council to be able to do it too. It just

1075
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,079
did not people don't operate that way.

1076
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,480
Wanted a big shared document that they

1077
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,040
could all participate in. It just didn't

1078
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,920
generate what we needed and mostly in in

1079
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,520
meetings and work sessions we would wind

1080
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,960
up talking about. We got a lot of good

1081
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,480
information out the work sessions and

1082
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,200
things but uh they weren't generating

1083
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,760
the necessary draft material that can be

1084
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,440
adopted. Lots of ideas

1085
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,560
>> ideas. Now, you guys already have a

1086
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,200
draft,

1087
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,920
>> right? And and part of this is we want

1088
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,720
to come back and make sure that the

1089
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,359
ideas we've heard and we're putting

1090
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:08,079
together um we'll come back with the

1091
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,560
council and say, "Okay, what what did we

1092
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,800
miss?" Because we will have invariably

1093
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,280
missed something or

1094
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,920
there needs to be a different emphasis

1095
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,599
one way or another on something like

1096
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,880
that. But we've in this iterative

1097
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,240
process, it was a great idea in theory

1098
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,640
and execution. It just didn't really

1099
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,640
work. It was difficult for the planning

1100
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,520
commission to do it this way. So, we're

1101
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,599
really going back to a traditional model

1102
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,480
where we have conversations, we get

1103
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880
feedback, and then we will do the

1104
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,839
drafting. And by we, I the royal we

1105
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,791
Jared

1106
00:45:45,791 --> 00:45:48,069
[laughter]

1107
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,400
» and Gary and Jared. Uh, can I put you on

1108
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,000
the spot in a public meeting? You you

1109
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,880
promise not to get offended at any

1110
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,119
feedback, input, direction, question

1111
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,480
from the council and planning

1112
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,680
commission.

1113
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,476
>> I've never been offended in my life.

1114
00:46:03,476 --> 00:46:05,440
[laughter]

1115
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:15,670
>> I'm offended you would say that.

1116
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,240
At the end of the day, in a in a very

1117
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,880
real sense, this is the council's

1118
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,480
document.

1119
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,000
And we're here merely to help you get

1120
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,319
the document you want. And so,

1121
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:32,960
uh, as we go through this, we think

1122
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,680
we're hearing you on certain items, but

1123
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,000
you know how it happens. And the

1124
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,000
difficulty with a a, uh, council is

1125
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,240
sometimes you don't know for sure until

1126
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,800
you see a draft in front of you and then

1127
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,079
have some time to think about it. Um

1128
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,240
because the the concepts that we're

1129
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,560
talking about may sound fine, but as we

1130
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,359
put it into actual language, we want to

1131
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:03,599
make sure you feel comfortable with it,

1132
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,760
you're good with the direction, and

1133
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,440
we're fairly and accurately capturing

1134
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
the intent of the council. And then

1135
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,599
ultimately, as a council, you will have

1136
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:18,000
to decide and and vote on it to adopt it

1137
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,240
as your document. So, we're not going to

1138
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,359
be offended. uh we get offended in so

1139
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:28,560
easily in so many other ways but this is not one of them.

1140
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,599
Yes, [clears throat] council. I just

1141
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,160
want to just reiterate what not not

1142
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,839
about being offended, Miss. But in my in

1143
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:38,560
a prior chapter, I I worked as a planner

1144
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,760
for a community and drafted a a general

1145
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,560
plan and what the council wanted. And

1146
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,640
then when I would go and I say, "This is

1147
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,200
what you wanted, but you need to

1148
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,440
understand if this is what you want,

1149
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,119
then these are the different types of

1150
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,839
ordinances you're looking at to enact

1151
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,920
what you want."

1152
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,119
and they were like, "Oh, I don't know if

1153
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,240
we want to do that." So, it's it really

1154
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,480
is important to think not just the

1155
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,240
broad, but how are we going to as a

1156
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,640
council actually implement what what we

1157
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,680
want because it may be there may be some

1158
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,839
things that are going to make we're

1159
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,200
going to be pushing the envelope on some

1160
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,319
things maybe or not. But just just know

1161
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:24,960
that it's it's the whole package. and

1162
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,680
mayor along with that. So you you

1163
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,319
understand sure Jared and I have you

1164
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:32,800
know personal opinions maybe about

1165
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,200
something or how something works but at

1166
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,200
the end of the day what we really care

1167
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,480
about as staff ultimately to the council

1168
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,839
to help you get the document you need is

1169
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:46,480
not that we may have a suggestion of

1170
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,800
language or an idea of something and

1171
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,079
that you adopt it. that whether you do

1172
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,480
or not is okay with us. What we worry

1173
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,200
about is you adopt something and then to

1174
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,359
your point a year later you come to me

1175
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,160
and say Gary when we were talking about

1176
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,599
this and we adopted it or it looked like

1177
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,440
we might adopt it. Why didn't you tell

1178
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,119
me that this could be a consequence or

1179
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,160
these are the foreseeable

1180
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,280
results of that policy? That's what

1181
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,160
keeps us up at night. Our We want to

1182
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,240
make sure you have as complete

1183
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,880
information as you possibly can to

1184
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,920
understand it uh before you make a

1185
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,119
decision.

1186
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,720
>> So, this is pretty high level though,

1187
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:35,119
right?

1188
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:35,440
>> Yes.

1189
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,119
>> Because I mean, I'm going to use an

1190
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:38,480
example that we're all familiar with,

1191
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,119
right? We had our general plan and then

1192
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,119
we had our state street master plan,

1193
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,760
right? The State Street master plan had

1194
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,640
the general plan had some great ideas

1195
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,764
floating up here, right? The State

1196
00:49:50,764 --> 00:49:52,000
[clears throat] Street master plan came

1197
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,160
down with some specificity that our

1198
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,839
residents were not pleased with when we

1199
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,520
discovered what was there. Our

1200
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,280
businesses were not thriving because

1201
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,880
they weren't allowed to remodel to the

1202
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,640
extent they wanted to. There were some

1203
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,559
unintended consequences that were

1204
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,599
discovered from that. So what you're

1205
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:11,040
saying is hopefully you guys will

1206
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,280
identify to us if we give you a

1207
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,040
direction you'll be able to say to us

1208
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,119
this is a a perceived unintended

1209
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:18,400
consequence you might want to think

1210
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:18,880
about.

1211
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,119
>> Yeah.

1212
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:20,720
>> Is that kind of is that a good summary

1213
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,079
of what you're trying to say here?

1214
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,240
>> Yeah. And if and if that comes up to you

1215
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,480
as you're reading the draft stuff. Yeah.

1216
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,839
We won't be if you bring that up it's

1217
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,280
not going to it's not going to bother us

1218
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,200
because we might not have thought if if

1219
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,040
you see it and are concerned about it.

1220
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Definitely bring it up. The only thing

1221
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,079
I'm afraid of is an echo chamber. I

1222
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,000
don't want to write in an echo chamber.

1223
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,440
I'm somewhat in love with my own

1224
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,200
thoughts about things. I need other

1225
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,960
people maybe back down.

1226
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,160
>> It's better that way.

1227
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,680
>> It's kind of a planner thing.

1228
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,680
>> Yeah, it's probably

1229
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,440
that's a personality flaw we all share.

1230
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,200
>> All you can do is be aware of it.

1231
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,520
>> We sing in the shower, right? [laughter]

1232
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,079
We talk a lot about, you know, the ORM

1233
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,520
being like this big ship and you as a

1234
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,520
council decide which direction we want

1235
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,480
this big ship to go. You don't really

1236
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,680
need to to worry about all of the little

1237
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920
gears and mechanisms in the ship that it

1238
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,160
takes to turn to get it in alignment

1239
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,319
with your direction.

1240
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,960
you just need to tell us at the same to

1241
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,119
go that way and we'll start moving that

1242
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,599
way and getting everything in alignment

1243
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,680
to go. In the meantime, they'll also

1244
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,200
tell you it's like, okay, if we do go

1245
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,599
this way, there's a big rock out there

1246
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,040
that may we might run into or hey, we

1247
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,119
don't have something down in the boiler

1248
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,280
in the room needs to be fixed and really

1249
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,760
help us do what it is that you want to

1250
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,880
do. And we don't need you to to

1251
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,920
necessarily care about those details

1252
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
because we'll do it. You just need to

1253
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
have trust in us that we'll tell you

1254
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,240
these things. And we don't want to get

1255
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,760
going down. It's like, why didn't you

1256
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,880
tell me that this would cause this big,

1257
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,480
well, you never asked. You know, we

1258
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,119
never want to do that. And so, we're not

1259
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,800
going to get offended. We just want to

1260
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,760
make sure the council because ultimately

1261
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,800
this is your document. It's not staff's.

1262
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,880
It's not the planning commission. It's

1263
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,030
your document.

1264
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,920
» Any other questions or thoughts? Council

1265
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,319
>> mayor, can I make a make a comment?

1266
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,960
>> Oh, we've got Yes, the voice. Yes.

1267
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,839
>> Thanks, Jared. This is Quinn. U just

1268
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,839
really grateful that you're taking the

1269
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,160
time and I know this takes a lot of

1270
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,400
thought and staff time to to make

1271
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,880
progress on this and it's overdue. So,

1272
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,920
I'm just really grateful for that. uh

1273
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,920
question and comments. So a question is

1274
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,760
h how long do you anticipate this draft

1275
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,280
being? I know we're trying to keep it

1276
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,599
pretty general, but uh what's what's

1277
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,920
your target length? And then secondly, I

1278
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,640
just encourage you to um make sure that

1279
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,319
the that the planning commission is

1280
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:57,200
involved every step of the way. Um I I

1281
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,520
know that they may not be appropriate

1282
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,400
drafters, but I I do think that, you

1283
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,079
know, we've we have um appointed them

1284
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:09,200
because we we value the way that they

1285
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,280
think about some of these broader

1286
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,359
principles and and I know they don't

1287
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,040
always agree with each other, but that

1288
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,400
kind of conversation, I think, will just

1289
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,640
be really rich and will be helpful for

1290
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,720
me as I review it as a city council

1291
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,720
member. So that's my encouragement.

1292
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,240
Thank you.

1293
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,960
>> Okay. Um I don't have a a page number

1294
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,079
target really um in mind.

1295
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,359
>> Under a thousand pages.

1296
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:35,280
Um

1297
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,640
>> bring it down.

1298
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,559
>> Sorry. Yeah. less than a lot of um so a

1299
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,400
lot of the I think I would best answer

1300
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,720
that by saying that a lot of the stuff a

1301
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,359
lot of the page count that comes from a

1302
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:50,000
great many general plans comes from data

1303
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,520
tables and things that we are not going

1304
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,079
to have new versions of for this because

1305
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:55,760
we're not hiring outside consultant work

1306
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,760
on it because it's an update. uh and

1307
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,599
we're and we're going in a direction to

1308
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,480
say we're we're looking at for example

1309
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,520
we're not going to have a housing

1310
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,040
element that has a whole bunch of data

1311
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,119
in it because we would rather in the

1312
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,359
future have a housing plan done a

1313
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:10,880
housing study done and that will be that

1314
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,480
will contain the data. So the page count

1315
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,240
will be lower than a lot of general

1316
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,240
plans currently. We're not going to be

1317
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,000
in the hundreds of pages.

1318
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,119
>> And structurally, we've talked about

1319
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,839
taking some of that data in the tables

1320
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:27,760
that kind of get in the way of a good uh

1321
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,160
logical linear read of the general plan

1322
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,960
and taking those out of the general plan

1323
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,920
text and putting it into an appendix of

1324
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,000
the general plan. So, if you want to

1325
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040
dive into some of that data, you can,

1326
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,720
but it won't interfere with a good uh

1327
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,400
more in-depth executive summary of of

1328
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
things. So, there's not a specific

1329
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,520
number, but you know, very very readable

1330
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,359
that you could read quickly without

1331
00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:59,520
getting bogged down in tables. It's

1332
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,480
there. You don't have to slog through it

1333
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,280
to get the highlevel concepts that we're

1334
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,359
talking. So, are you going to be adding

1335
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:09,359
any additional elements to it other than

1336
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:10,800
since it's an update?

1337
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,800
>> Um, that's a great great question. Um,

1338
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,359
as the planning commission as we started

1339
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:18,000
this process, they did identify a couple

1340
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,960
of things they wanted to add or change.

1341
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,480
Um, there's there are two chapters

1342
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,839
currently for public facilities and u

1343
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:27,440
parks and recreation. They wanted to

1344
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,359
combine those. So, they'll losing one in

1345
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:32,559
that way. uh they did want to do and I'm

1346
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:35,200
still looking at um a short

1347
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,880
implementation chapter at the end. Those

1348
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,040
would be the two main additions. There

1349
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,760
would be a short sort of implementation

1350
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,680
strategy chapter that says here's here's

1351
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,280
all your your information, all your

1352
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,520
objectives, all your goals. Maybe they

1353
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,760
get put in three tiers of levels of

1354
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,440
importance and you'd have to organize

1355
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,520
those and the the first, you know, the

1356
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,119
first most important ones are these, the

1357
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,880
next and these. Just real simple. But

1358
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,799
those would be the only two. And as

1359
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:01,440
staff, we like that implementation idea

1360
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,520
because we have these big broad

1361
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,559
principles that look out over

1362
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,760
uh the city and its development. There

1363
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,400
are so many things to look at. We would

1364
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,520
like to at some point have some sort of

1365
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,359
prioritization of what should we work on

1366
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,920
next. The general plan

1367
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,400
>> isn't the end. It's actually the

1368
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,480
beginning of things that we're doing.

1369
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,760
So, you know, an example of that is like

1370
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,079
uh we have the general plan. The general

1371
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:35,040
plan has some high level uh uh talking

1372
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,040
points about, you know, parks and

1373
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,280
creating community and things like that.

1374
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,760
Well, the council took that and went

1375
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,000
down a next step and did the heart of

1376
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,359
ORM. And so, we've got that planned now.

1377
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,559
And so now we're taking the heart of ORM

1378
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,640
and we're looking at okay, what are some

1379
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,520
actionable things we can do on that to

1380
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,760
partner with UVU

1381
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,720
and uh get things done in the community.

1382
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,400
That's what I'd see the general plan

1383
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,200
doing is now like a housing stud. I'll

1384
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,319
let you in on my bias. I'd like to see

1385
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:12,240
uh one of those uh next steps to to be

1386
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,040
is to be able to get our arms around

1387
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,799
housing is to actually have a good

1388
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:19,440
housing study done. And so that could be

1389
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,559
in the implementation section. Okay. and

1390
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,240
then wherever it would rank for the

1391
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,799
council. Uh it might be really high, it

1392
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:29,280
might be mid or or low for the council,

1393
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,480
but then it helps us organize our work

1394
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,520
on making sure we're getting the council

1395
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,480
priorities taken care of. Uh because

1396
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,720
we're trying as you have a retreat, we

1397
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,839
try to go to a retreat, take notes about

1398
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,440
your priorities, what you're trying to

1399
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,240
accomplish. try to now get that in align

1400
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,240
everything that we do our general plans

1401
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,960
and other plans in alignment with those

1402
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,000
things. So I think the implementation

1403
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,240
would be a great idea.

1404
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,799
>> Yeah. And as I as I recall, correct me

1405
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:03,599
if I'm wrong that the state law says

1406
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,920
that really that the only element that's

1407
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,599
required is the moderate income housing

1408
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,040
plan. Is that is that part of the

1409
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:09,760
general plan?

1410
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,000
>> There are four other Okay. So there are

1411
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,960
four. Okay.

1412
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,880
>> You have to have a land you sell. Okay.

1413
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,040
And that one we've we've got the most

1414
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,559
progress on. You have to have a land use

1415
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,480
element. You have to have a a moder

1416
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,680
income housing. A housing element.

1417
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,240
Modern income housing. You have to have

1418
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,960
uh transportation. No, I'm sorry. It's

1419
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,880
not true. You have to have a um water

1420
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,799
conservation element now.

1421
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:34,720
>> Oh, okay. Which and that's why we did

1422
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,240
it. There was a deadline to get the

1423
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,160
water conservation element done.

1424
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,599
>> Already done some of these.

1425
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:40,079
>> Yeah.

1426
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:40,799
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1427
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:41,920
>> There's there's one other one that I'm

1428
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:42,960
missing. It's not transportation, but

1429
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,640
there's one. I I'm sorry to quiz you. I

1430
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:44,960
just

1431
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,640
>> Okay, I had a slide, but

1432
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,400
>> no, that that's the thing is they could

1433
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
a general plan could, as I understand,

1434
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,920
could have anything in it.

1435
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,440
>> It can there's a bunch of options after

1436
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:53,760
that.

1437
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,520
>> A lot of different options that a lot of

1438
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,160
times it's focused on land use only,

1439
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,680
development only. Not not to make the plan bigger necessarily, but

1440
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,040
>> but a lot of times it can go some cities

1441
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,359
will just due to the staff size or the

1442
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:10,720
size of the city, they'll just do the

1443
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,720
required elements and

1444
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,640
>> forth and others can make them into

1445
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,280
whatever.

1446
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:15,599
>> Yeah.

1447
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,280
>> And and we'll have several we we want

1448
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,640
there to be a transportation and an

1449
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,839
economics

1450
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:21,599
>> not an active transportation plan which

1451
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:23,359
is part of the transport. Would that be

1452
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:25,760
a separate element? It's it's part of

1453
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,359
>> you high level sort of transportation

1454
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,839
element and then that would refer to the

1455
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:31,040
master transportation plan and the

1456
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,240
active transportation plans and those

1457
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,119
would be appendices.

1458
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:33,920
>> So that would be under the

1459
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,200
implementation.

1460
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,280
>> Yeah. And so kind of think of it like a

1461
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,839
in we will talk about parks and

1462
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,799
recreation in the general plan. But

1463
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:46,720
talking about parks and recreation in

1464
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,720
the general plan does not uh supplant

1465
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,880
what Bryce is doing in diving into the more details of it. So we may have

1466
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,920
highlevel principles in the general plan

1467
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,559
for parks and recreation things that we

1468
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:04,799
want to accomplish. Once that's in

1469
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:07,359
there, uh I think the Bryce was the last

1470
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:09,200
one done 2021.

1471
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:09,920
>> 21.

1472
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,960
>> Yeah. In 21. So we're not too far from

1473
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,760
doing an update of that plan. So in the

1474
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,880
general plan, it may just be a handful

1475
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,799
of pages talking about parks and

1476
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:23,680
recreation so that the next time they

1477
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,880
update their parks plan, uh if we have a

1478
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,799
consultant or we do it in house, one of

1479
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:31,040
the first things we do is okay, what are

1480
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,119
the the council's overarching goals for

1481
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,359
parks and recreation and then take those

1482
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:39,200
principles and make sure they end up in

1483
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,440
that document. Similar like the slide

1484
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,839
Jared had on we like connectivity of

1485
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:49,440
roads, pedestrian ways in the city.

1486
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,720
That's a good general statement to have.

1487
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,280
But when you now take a look at okay,

1488
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,799
how do we really do this? A lot of some

1489
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,640
of that might be in the transportation

1490
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,440
master plan and in the active

1491
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,839
transportation part of the

1492
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:09,520
transportation master plan, but you know

1493
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,160
it doesn't mean every street every time

1494
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,319
everywhere has a bike lane and uh a

1495
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:19,280
pedestrian lane and three lanes of

1496
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,280
traffic. It doesn't mean that. It just

1497
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,559
means we like these things. Now come

1498
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,520
back as you do your more in-depth

1499
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,920
studying. How are you implementing these

1500
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,480
goals in a more specific context?

1501
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,640
>> That's right. Thank you. Any other

1502
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,520
questions?

1503
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,599
>> Can I ask one? Actually, just because

1504
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:39,680
I'm not sure I answered Quinn's the

1505
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,040
second part of Quinn's question about

1506
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,640
involving the planning commission more

1507
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,960
as we go along. And to that point, you

1508
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,960
all as well. What what I'm suggesting

1509
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,680
here is is work session updates. That

1510
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,119
number could be increased. We could do

1511
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,240
two of them. We could do one in

1512
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,160
September and one in October. Um, we

1513
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,520
could do two in October and one in

1514
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,799
September. Whatever you all want. It's

1515
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,200
what it's how much you're comfortable

1516
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,160
taking up time with me here. So, and I

1517
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,680
know how like my children and my wife

1518
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,640
feel about that. And it's probably

1519
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,640
>> I think you guys kind of answered that

1520
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,160
question. I mean, you this is my

1521
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,480
perception. Planning Commission has been

1522
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,000
working on it for over a year and we

1523
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,720
haven't made a whole lot of progress. So

1524
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,839
that's why you're making the

1525
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:23,040
recommendation of writing the draft kind

1526
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:28,400
of pulling it to staff for a more um

1527
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,240
process. I mean just to kind of pull it

1528
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,079
together a little more a little

1529
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,280
>> maybe a more focused

1530
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,319
>> focus. Yeah. Um so that will change

1531
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:40,079
compared to what was done last year and

1532
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:41,119
this I don't know how much you've done

1533
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:45,040
this year but last year especially. Um,

1534
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,920
but the points you're making here is in

1535
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,880
order to meet your timeline.

1536
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,400
Um,

1537
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,079
I guess I don't know. Are you saying in

1538
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,440
order to meet your timeline, these are

1539
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,799
the ones you've set up? This is what's

1540
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,720
going to help you the most to to get the

1541
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,839
reviews of your draft.

1542
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:03,359
>> I'm not sure that work sessions that that like updating people in a

1543
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:05,599
quick work session would slow us down.

1544
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,920
Want if we want to have more involvement

1545
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,440
all along that. So, it wouldn't

1546
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,119
necessarily slow it down. Won't affect

1547
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:13,040
it. just gathers more ideas.

1548
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,119
>> It was just the whole I mean I saw some

1549
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:16,640
of those meetings and they came up with

1550
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,799
some great ideas last year, right? Some

1551
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:21,839
of those but like you said it was I saw

1552
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,599
you guys kind of struggle to pull it

1553
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:23,920
down.

1554
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:24,240
>> Yeah.

1555
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,960
>> And to pull it into an active document.

1556
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,119
>> So it sounds to me like that's what

1557
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,640
you're saying is you'll give them the

1558
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,799
updates but the

1559
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:34,799
>> the writing part of it needs to

1560
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:35,760
>> move forward

1561
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,960
>> focused. Yeah. on Jared using this uh

1562
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,640
timeline you've got on here. There's a

1563
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,799
obviously there's a difference between

1564
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:48,160
an update versus actual review and

1565
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,920
>> sort of workshopping it and having kind

1566
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,280
of a back and forth,

1567
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,359
>> right? Yeah. That's that's kind of

1568
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:54,960
>> so I support you guys in what you've

1569
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,039
presented here. I think that's the best

1570
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,079
way to get it accomplished.

1571
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:03,760
And we view this kind of like uh

1572
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,359
our version of the Declaration of

1573
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:07,599
Independence and and Jared is our Thomas

1574
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,520
Jefferson. We have a committee. We're

1575
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,079
talking about highlevel principles. He's

1576
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:13,760
going to go out and do a draft. It will

1577
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,480
then come back for tweaking.

1578
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,920
>> Make you Aaron Burr.

1579
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,959
>> Yes.

1580
01:04:19,959 --> 01:04:23,829
[laughter]

1581
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:25,920
» Pull out the guns, the musketss.

1582
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,240
>> Thank you. I'm so I I nerd out on this

1583
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,160
because this is one of the things I love

1584
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,920
about planning is planning.

1585
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,680
>> Mayor, do you mind do you mind if we ask

1586
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,920
council member Quinn Mikum to we answer

1587
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:38,960
>> Quinn? Yes.

1588
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,799
>> Question or response to comment

1589
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,079
sufficiently?

1590
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,760
>> Well, what I heard is that you have no

1591
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,400
idea how long it's going to be.

1592
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,200
Um and that you're going to take a you

1593
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,400
know a first cut, but that you will

1594
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,880
involve planning commission extensively

1595
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,400
along the way. If I interpreted that

1596
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,400
right.

1597
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:57,359
>> Did I get that right?

1598
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:58,000
>> That's right.

1599
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:58,480
>> Yes.

1600
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,760
>> Updates. The planning commission will

1601
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,309
get updates on their drafts.

1602
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:07,119
» Uh I you know updates are great. I do

1603
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,319
think that um you know bringing the pine

1604
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:13,119
commission as well as us of course into

1605
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,599
process to get feedback um rather than

1606
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,280
just be updated I think is an important

1607
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,119
part of the process.

1608
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:20,720
>> Agreed.

1609
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,920
I just want to make sure it's not

1610
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,495
bogging it down. I just saw

1611
01:05:23,495 --> 01:05:25,520
[clears throat] it happen last year. So,

1612
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,599
I think we're I think they're telling us

1613
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:28,880
they're at a point now they need to move

1614
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,119
forward.

1615
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:34,480
>> And this is good because uh I think to

1616
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,359
hopefully address concerns that I'm

1617
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:40,400
hearing with this is we do have some

1618
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,079
elements that are really uh we think

1619
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:46,400
pretty close like the land use element.

1620
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,160
That's one of the state law required

1621
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,160
ones and it's typically our largest one.

1622
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,079
Um, that's very close. We could start uh

1623
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:00,000
as we get chapters done, we could start

1624
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,839
sending those out to planning commission

1625
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:04,960
and council for feedback on it while

1626
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,200
we're working on other things and

1627
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,039
incorporated into the process

1628
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,160
that we're doing here.

1629
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,079
>> That would be possible. So when we're

1630
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,039
updating them, it could be an update on,

1631
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:20,160
okay, yeah, we've drafted these two

1632
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,079
chapters. Here you go. Take a look at

1633
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,799
it. You can start that and we're then

1634
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,039
updating on we're working on these

1635
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,160
chapters and we'll get back with you. If

1636
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,920
any issues come up, we can let them

1637
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,960
know. We can let you know. So, uh, we

1638
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,200
can, you know, really handle that any

1639
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,520
way you want. And it's probably

1640
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,880
uh the idea to go through this is we're

1641
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,160
kind of doing some of this concurrently

1642
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,640
uh updating planning commission, giving

1643
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,640
them things, but we also want to make

1644
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,280
sure you're updated and you you know

1645
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,280
rather than we get through, we're done

1646
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,359
with the process and then here's this

1647
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:01,200
big document

1648
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,119
uh that's you know much more manageable.

1649
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,039
I I keep telling Jared, I want it to be

1650
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,480
half of whatever we have now. And so

1651
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,520
what how long is it now?

1652
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,440
>> I give you page count on that. If it's

1653
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,799
half of what we got now, it's about 80

1654
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:16,240
pages.

1655
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,640
>> Because when Well, before you all were

1656
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,280
here, this worm's general plan was 15

1657
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,960
pages long. That was that was the

1658
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,559
>> That's how I've always seen them, too.

1659
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,200
Is very broad, very

1660
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,039
>> Yeah. It was It was way It was back in

1661
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,480
the Bob Moore days.

1662
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,480
>> Yeah. And we're we're trying to get more

1663
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,680
to that

1664
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,559
>> model that somebody who's lives in the

1665
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:40,960
city or somebody who maybe wants to come

1666
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,160
in and do a business or develop can look

1667
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,839
at it and find a fairly small document

1668
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,400
that can give them a good sense of okay,

1669
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,880
where does the the city council really

1670
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,760
want to take the city? [snorts]

1671
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,440
And so, uh, I'm looking for cutting in

1672
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,880
half at least what we have. Uh but we

1673
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,319
can do this concurrently. I don't want

1674
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:08,799
at the end without any updates to the

1675
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:12,640
council. Oh, by the way, here's a

1676
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:13,599
>> you know, appreciate that

1677
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,319
>> a big document. I'd like to do work with

1678
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,159
planning commission and the council at

1679
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,000
the same time.

1680
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:20,640
too. And

1681
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,040
>> Gary, some of this uh some of this

1682
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,400
update or review or or showing drafts,

1683
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,560
some of it could uh be addressed if

1684
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,520
there is um something that we need to

1685
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,719
get clarity on. Like a joint meeting or

1686
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,000
something as well.

1687
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:36,480
>> Sure.

1688
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,920
>> Yes. I'd like to have a joint meeting.

1689
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,440
>> I didn't include a joint meeting in the

1690
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,359
timeline, but we could. I mean, it's all

1691
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,400
this is not set in stone. I will not

1692
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,000
won't hold anybody to this. This is not

1693
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,719
a binding timeline. plan

1694
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:52,319
>> though he does get offended over his

1695
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:53,120
timeline.

1696
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,269
>> Yeah,

1697
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:58,560
» I don't complain to anybody about it

1698
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,960
except Sammy on the bus. Sammy on the

1699
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,159
bus.

1700
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,000
>> This looks great.

1701
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,560
>> Thank you. And it looks like the next

1702
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,799
item on the agenda is yours as well.

1703
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:09,759
>> I'll just stay right here.

1704
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:11,359
>> Next hour. Well, 45 minutes

1705
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,839
presentation, 15 minute Q&A. Do you want

1706
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:15,120
me to walk back to my chair and walk

1707
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,440
back up or am I okay to just go walk

1708
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:20,159
back and replug

1709
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,040
>> walking back and coming up? If you

1710
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,880
remember last time we talked about uh

1711
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,359
detached accessory dwelling units that

1712
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,480
the state law changed and requires the

1713
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:36,239
city to go in and create an uh an

1714
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,359
ordinance by October

1715
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:43,040
uh that deals with uh detached accessory

1716
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,920
dwelling units. And so we actually took

1717
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,040
it to planning commission. They've made

1718
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,600
a recommendation and you saw we sent out

1719
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,000
a draft of an ordinance. They sent the

1720
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,640
ordinance out. We have uh August today

1721
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,600
and then we have August and we have

1722
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,600
we're not looking for the council really

1723
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,159
to make a decision because there's some

1724
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,320
important issues in here to think about

1725
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,600
and look at until the last meeting of

1726
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,159
September. If we meet that deadline,

1727
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,239
we're in compliance with state law and

1728
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:20,800
we're not concerned. So really what uh

1729
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,719
we're here today to do is have Jared you

1730
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:26,560
we sent you out some materials last

1731
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,800
time. You may have had chance to look at

1732
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,199
it, you may not. Jared's going to walk

1733
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:36,560
us through now the ADU ordinance. Uh not

1734
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,320
looking at a redline strikeout of

1735
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,400
anything, but just the concepts that it

1736
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,400
has in it of of what it's supposed to

1737
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,040
do. and there's some issues that we can

1738
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,920
talk about and get feedback on. And then

1739
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,280
I anticipate at least one more work

1740
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,120
session where we would come in and talk

1741
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,760
about this before we would be asking the

1742
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,679
council to make any sort of uh uh

1743
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:02,400
decision.

1744
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,760
>> This presentation will include planning

1745
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,040
commission recommendations.

1746
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,040
>> Yes,

1747
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,480
>> this is yeah this will be this will be a

1748
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:09,600
review of what the planning commission

1749
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,239
recommend.

1750
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:10,960
>> Thank you.

1751
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,719
>> And then a little background information

1752
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:15,760
as well. So, as Gary mentioned, this is

1753
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,440
supposed to be adopted by October 1st.

1754
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,600
And this is specifically for detached

1755
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,480
accessory dwelling units. Right now, um,

1756
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,320
cities are required to allow accessory

1757
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,000
dwelling units. We call them accessory

1758
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,640
apartments, which complicated our lives

1759
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,080
a little bit because everyone calls them

1760
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,920
accessory dwelling units now, including

1761
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,600
state codes. So, we thought uh we're leaving most of that alone. I

1762
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,840
think just for the goals of this change,

1763
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,040
we want to meet the requirements of

1764
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
state code which is to adopt that detach

1765
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,280
accessory dwelling unit ordinance and

1766
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,040
keep the substance of what ORM has been

1767
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,440
doing for a long time with accessory

1768
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,040
dwelling units which are called

1769
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,640
accessory apartments. Keep that intact.

1770
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:51,920
We haven't proposed a lot of changes

1771
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,400
there. In fact, nothing except

1772
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,320
reordering of a couple of statements and

1773
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,840
then calling them accessory dwelling

1774
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,000
units instead of accessory apartments uh

1775
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,320
for continuity and then combining the

1776
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,239
regulations in one section so that it's

1777
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,560
easy to find as opposed to having

1778
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,920
accessory dwelling units or accessory

1779
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,920
apartments in one place and detached

1780
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,120
units somewhere else.

1781
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,440
>> And and we are suggesting let's change

1782
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,920
the name from accessory apartments,

1783
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,199
accessory dwelling units. It'll make our

1784
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:20,800
lives a little easier.

1785
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,480
>> That's what everyone calls it now. We

1786
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,760
Morham's been calling them accessory

1787
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:24,960
apartments for a long time. So, probably

1788
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,760
be an adjustment for folks, but you

1789
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,760
know, it's uh it's kind of where we

1790
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,560
wanted to go. Um

1791
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,640
the the state code requires a couple of

1792
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,600
things. It's important to understand

1793
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,520
that because that's where we, as I said,

1794
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,120
we try to meet those minimum

1795
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,840
requirements of state code. Um we have

1796
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,080
to allow detached accessory dwelling

1797
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,840
units, which incidentally is something

1798
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,040
like this just for purp.

1799
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,880
It's a accessory dwelling unit that's

1800
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,719
allowed on the same lot as this home,

1801
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:54,880
but it's not part of the home. The the

1802
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,239
ones that we allow currently would be

1803
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:57,520
contained within the walls of the home.

1804
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,640
The accessory dwelling unit, the

1805
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,080
accessory requirement. This is an

1806
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,360
allowance that we're required to do for

1807
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,120
something separated from the homes

1808
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,800
itself.

1809
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,199
Um, so they have to be allowed on any

1810
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:08,640
single family residential property

1811
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,040
that's at least 11,000 ft² or greater.

1812
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,480
That's the minimum. That's the bottom

1813
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,560
that we're allowed to go by the state

1814
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,679
code. Um they we are we're supposed to

1815
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:18,880
make sure they comply with building

1816
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,679
codes, health codes, fire codes. Um and

1817
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:23,440
we have to allow for legally constructed

1818
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,880
accessory structure like a detached

1819
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,960
garage to be converted into a a DADU um

1820
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,480
if it can meet our setbacks and things

1821
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,040
that we impose. Those are really the

1822
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,880
only shall statements that are in the

1823
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,320
state code for this. Uh there are a

1824
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,159
bunch of shall nots. We're not allowed

1825
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:41,440
to require them to have a conditional

1826
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,239
use permit. Um, then it has this one

1827
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,600
vague statement. We're not allowed to

1828
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,920
require setbacks from property lines or

1829
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,000
from a detached dwelling that make it

1830
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,960
unreasonably difficult to locate a DADU

1831
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,440
on a property. Um, we're not allowed to

1832
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,920
require more than two on-site parking

1833
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,000
spaces for any DADU that's bigger than

1834
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,560
650 ft. And we're not allowed to require

1835
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,880
any more than one for a DAU that's less

1836
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,520
than 650 ft.

1837
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,120
Uh we're also not allowed to require

1838
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,400
design standards that would be in

1839
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,560
conflict with 102618 and that's the

1840
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,800
pretty code uh statements. We're not

1841
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,280
allowed to require certain materials or

1842
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,560
uh certain roof pitches or things like

1843
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,480
that.

1844
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,640
Um so those those are kind of the the

1845
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,400
main knots and all of these codes that

1846
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,080
we're proposing or all these changes

1847
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,640
we're proposing are trying to meet those

1848
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,400
requirements.

1849
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,480
Um the first part I think we think about

1850
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,800
this uh what's been drafted in three

1851
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,440
parts. The first part of it is um a

1852
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:40,800
purpose statement a quick purpose

1853
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,120
statement and some definitions. The

1854
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,800
purpose statement is where we have said

1855
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,800
a couple of main things that people we

1856
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,480
want people to understand about

1857
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:50,400
accessory dwelling units in general and

1858
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,120
DND use. You only get them on

1859
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,400
residential properties and they're

1860
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,840
subject to the restrictions of this

1861
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,000
section. You have to say that to people

1862
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,760
but you have to tell people these are

1863
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,679
the codes for these things.

1864
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:03,920
and then only one ADU of whichever kind

1865
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,320
is permitted in addition to one primary

1866
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,760
dwelling. So what we're saying is

1867
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,719
explicitly

1868
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,880
you can have a house here and you can

1869
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,320
have a detached ADU be the requirements

1870
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,239
or you can have one inside your house an

1871
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:19,920
ADU inside your house but you cannot

1872
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,239
have an ADU inside your house and a

1873
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,239
detached ADU. You get one or the other

1874
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,719
not both. Does that make sense? So we

1875
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:28,320
put that right at the beginning in the

1876
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,080
purpose statement kind of the opening

1877
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,520
statement. Can I ask you?

1878
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:32,320
>> Yeah.

1879
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,000
>> Is go back.

1880
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,719
>> I got an email from somebody who or a

1881
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:40,320
text from somebody whose neighbor um had

1882
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,560
keep has their an RV in the backyard as

1883
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,840
a dwelling unit in it.

1884
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,120
>> Yeah. No, that's that wouldn't

1885
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,719
>> that need to be spelled out specifically

1886
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:48,400
or is that referenced somewhere else?

1887
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,239
>> It's it's it's spelled out specifically

1888
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,080
by the building codes. Um this part

1889
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,440
where they have to comply with building

1890
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,199
health and fire codes. You can't legally

1891
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:57,040
live in an RV in your backyard because

1892
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,719
it's not hooked up to utilities. It's

1893
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:00,719
not on a permanent foundation. So, it

1894
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:02,080
doesn't mean it for that reason. You

1895
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,360
don't actually have to say, "Thou shalt

1896
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,120
not live in an RV in your backyard."

1897
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:05,600
>> Okay.

1898
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:06,960
>> The health and fire and building codes

1899
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,159
already tell you you can.

1900
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,159
>> So, but good question. And people do

1901
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,360
that. They want to people want to move

1902
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,520
tiny homes in and that's probably fine

1903
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,640
under these kind of

1904
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,600
>> short-term rentals.

1905
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,800
>> Yeah. And you you you could you could do

1906
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,560
short-term rentals. Let me just as long

1907
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,052
as you you brought it up. Well, I said

1908
01:16:25,052 --> 01:16:26,640
[laughter]

1909
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:27,360
this

1910
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,159
>> this proposal, just so you know, and the

1911
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:31,760
commission and and staff are very much

1912
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,000
aware that STRs are a thing. Um, this

1913
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,000
proposal dealing with the detached

1914
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,520
accessory dwelling units does not deal

1915
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,600
with whether you can use one as a

1916
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,880
short-term rental or not. The the

1917
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,480
default is the default and we haven't

1918
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:45,199
tried this.

1919
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:46,960
>> Okay. So, so we're going to take all

1920
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,920
that NTR. I'm going to set it over here

1921
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:50,640
for tonight.

1922
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,520
>> Yeah. It doesn't have

1923
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,679
>> I'm going to just talk about detached

1924
01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:54,239
ads.

1925
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:55,840
>> If it happens that you wind up being

1926
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,159
able to do them on properties, then they

1927
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,000
would be eligible in DAU perhaps or you

1928
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,520
could restrict them from DU. It just

1929
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,520
depends. We're not treating that in this

1930
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,239
proposal.

1931
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:04,640
>> Okay.

1932
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,640
>> Not part of this draft. Does that make

1933
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,320
sense? Felt like it was the wrong time

1934
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,120
to make a decision on that.

1935
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,640
>> We wanted to get it done in time for the

1936
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,679
deadline. So, we figured

1937
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:18,640
um we did have to make a few definition

1938
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,640
changes and and following closely on the

1939
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,760
heels of this ordinance is a is a kind

1940
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,320
of an omnibus definitions change. I was

1941
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:30,080
trying to encapsulate it in the code. Um

1942
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,840
but we're um we're going to do another

1943
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,840
text amendment on the heels of this that

1944
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,320
will change all of the the definitions

1945
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,000
to match all over in the code. So

1946
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,920
wherever it says accessory apartments in

1947
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,320
the code in other places for code

1948
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,520
enforcement and things it'll now say

1949
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,440
accessory dwelling said changes like

1950
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,199
that they won't have any substance but

1951
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:50,880
they'll make the definition match. These

1952
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,159
are the ones we felt like we needed to

1953
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:53,840
define so that people would understand

1954
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,600
an accessory dwelling unit is a single

1955
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,199
family dwelling that is subordinate to

1956
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:58,800
the primary dwelling on the same lot or

1957
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,040
parcel. So you can't have an accessory

1958
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,400
dwelling unit that's accessory to

1959
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,040
nothing. It's got to be uh accessory to

1960
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,600
a primary dwelling to it. Primary

1961
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,360
dwelling means a single family detached

1962
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,600
home that's permitted by the zoning on

1963
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,400
the lot parcel where it's located. So

1964
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,920
what that what that means is that if

1965
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,760
there's a leftover

1966
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,440
>> uh house in a commercial zone, for

1967
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,040
example, a single family home legal

1968
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,120
non-conforming on a commercial property,

1969
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,280
we would not further entrench that

1970
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,880
non-conforming use by saying, "Oh, go

1971
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,800
ahead and have an ADU there." Um you

1972
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,159
wouldn't be allowed to do one there

1973
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,239
because you're supposed to not be doing

1974
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,320
a house there eventually. So only where

1975
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,960
it's allowed by the zoning. The third as

1976
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,480
attached accessory dwelling unit is what

1977
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:39,679
we are currently calling accessory

1978
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:41,280
apartments. An accessory dwelling unit

1979
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,640
that is contained within the footprint

1980
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,080
of the primary dwelling or is attached

1981
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,679
directly to it. And fourth that the

1982
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:47,360
detached dwelling unit is an accessory

1983
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,800
dwelling unit separate from and

1984
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,480
subordinate to the primary dwelling on

1985
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,360
that lot parcel. Uh and then again here

1986
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,960
in that definition mayor to your point

1987
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,320
from earlier such a dwelling must be

1988
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,840
placed on a permanent foundation and

1989
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,800
connected to all utilities.

1990
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,520
Um part two that's the first part. The

1991
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,360
second part of it is the regulations

1992
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,280
that we already have. We're moving them

1993
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,280
from where they are to the new section

1994
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,719
that we're proposing so that they can be

1995
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:12,719
found easily. So that whole section will

1996
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:14,640
look like a big strikeout, but fear not,

1997
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,840
it's just getting transferred over to

1998
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,840
the new the new portion. Um, right now,

1999
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,080
and this wouldn't change, attached ADUs

2000
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,360
that we currently call accessory

2001
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,760
apartments would not be allowed in R5 or

2002
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,080
PRD zones. They're they're just not

2003
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,760
allowed in those smaller zones, smaller

2004
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,239
lots, things. Owner occupancy is a

2005
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:34,239
requirement. They're located inside the

2006
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:35,440
footprint of the primary home or

2007
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:37,679
attached to it. Parking gets required

2008
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:38,960
for it in addition to the primary

2009
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,480
dwellings parking. So, under our code,

2010
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:41,840
you have to have two parking spaces for

2011
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,360
your primary dwelling. You have to

2012
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,800
provide parking for your accessory

2013
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,280
dwelling as well. Utility meters have to

2014
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,640
be in the property owner's name. You can

2015
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,159
have a second meter for water on your

2016
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,440
accessory dwelling unit on your

2017
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,040
accessory department, but that meter has

2018
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,800
to be in the property owner's name. that

2019
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,520
keeps people from from head faking us

2020
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,120
and running duplexes instead of owner

2021
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,679
occupied accessory dwellings. Um,

2022
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:03,120
entrances to the ADU aren't supposed to

2023
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,960
be on the same facade as the entrance to

2024
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,840
the home or facing a street and permits

2025
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,120
are required for the work and you have

2026
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,480
to get a rental dwelling license when

2027
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,000
you're done. We we track all the

2028
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,280
accessory apartments in the city

2029
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:14,000
accessory dwelling.

2030
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,679
>> So, okay. Can I ask that facing the

2031
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,120
street thing?

2032
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,520
>> So, the stairway cannot go down from the

2033
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,239
street side. Well, if you're the

2034
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:23,600
basement entrance, it would have it

2035
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,880
should be around the side or around the

2036
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:25,440
rear.

2037
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,760
>> Well, I'm sorry. So, if the entrance is

2038
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,560
on the side,

2039
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,760
>> Uhhuh.

2040
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,960
>> Do the stairs have to be

2041
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,560
>> go down from the back or can they go

2042
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,360
down from the

2043
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,719
>> They could go down from the front. As

2044
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:38,640
long as it's on the side facade, the

2045
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:39,920
stairs could go down.

2046
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,520
>> So, facing the street just means on the

2047
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,080
same side as

2048
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,600
>> you want it to be on the front side.

2049
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,120
Makes them look more like a duplex. The

2050
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,320
point of that is to make it not look

2051
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,920
like a duplex.

2052
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,120
>> Go back to that picture of the cute

2053
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,640
little house. This one. No.

2054
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,120
>> This one.

2055
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:51,760
>> That is cute.

2056
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,800
>> It is cute, right?

2057
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,080
>> Yes. So, in theory, this would not This

2058
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,880
I guess this foreground is the ADU. The

2059
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,679
detached ADU.

2060
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:00,800
>> Yeah. This is the detach.

2061
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,320
>> Shouldn't face the street.

2062
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,239
>> No, this this shouldn't face a street.

2063
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,320
This This entrance here could face like

2064
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,800
this to a backyard or it could face the

2065
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,480
house. It could face into this backyard,

2066
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,000
but the street is out in front of this

2067
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,080
house. And this shouldn't be this

2068
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,400
shouldn't Well, that's a good question.

2069
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:16,960
We

2070
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,679
>> Why is [clears throat] it materially

2071
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:18,960
important? Because it looks cute either

2072
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,400
way. It is cute. Either way, someone's

2073
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,760
in there writing a children's book for

2074
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,391
sure.

2075
01:21:24,391 --> 01:21:26,470
[laughter]

2076
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:28,239
» Chamomile or something. I don't know.

2077
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,560
But this is [clears throat]

2078
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,159
>> We also don't allow them. So, we'll get

2079
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,719
to setbacks and things, but we wouldn't want detached accessory

2080
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,960
dwelling units to be between the primary

2081
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,640
dwelling on the street. So, they'd be in

2082
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:39,920
the rear yard or the sideyard.

2083
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,120
>> So, if it's in the rear yard, why do we

2084
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,400
care what direction?

2085
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,760
>> So, in the rear yard, it doesn't matter.

2086
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,360
It can be facing the street, but it

2087
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,760
can't be like I mean is if this is again

2088
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,480
this is not for the detached but for the

2089
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:51,760
it says detached up here. I'm sorry

2090
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,120
that's just the titles of the slides but

2091
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,480
these are the codes for the accessory

2092
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,239
dwelling units that are part of the

2093
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:58,000
house. So when you're doing an internal

2094
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,840
accessory dwelling unit like if your

2095
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,360
accessory dwelling unit was inside this

2096
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,440
house and this didn't exist. We wouldn't

2097
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:04,719
want the entrance to the accessory

2098
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,480
dwelling unit to be facing this street.

2099
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:07,360
>> That makes much more sense.

2100
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:08,800
>> That makes sense. So, it's it's partly

2101
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,159
confusing because it's I've got these

2102
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,080
detached pictures, but

2103
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,600
>> I wish we could say it has to

2104
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,560
>> just say if you can move in here soon.

2105
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,360
>> Wait, just like that.

2106
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,760
>> Has to look like this picture.

2107
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:22,800
>> Yeah. Yeah. We need to have something

2108
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:23,920
that says it looks as though a

2109
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,840
children's book would be written.

2110
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:26,880
>> That's appropriate.

2111
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,120
>> If you'll let you build it.

2112
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,719
>> Probably 10-20 would not

2113
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:34,880
10-20 was written exactly to prevent

2114
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,719
that. Yes. Sorry.

2115
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:39,360
Um, so yeah, it couldn't be. And we do

2116
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,639
require rental dwelling licenses. Um,

2117
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:43,840
and we'll come back to this if we need

2118
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,360
to, but the same facade issue, that's where we're at with that. We

2119
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,800
require permits for work and we require

2120
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,239
licenses for these that you have to take

2121
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,719
out a license to run it as a landlord.

2122
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:56,960
So, um, detached ADUs, this is the third

2123
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,159
part. So, all those things, we brought

2124
01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,199
them back over. We didn't change

2125
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:00,480
anything about those codes. They're all

2126
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,800
still the same, uh, in this in this

2127
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,520
proposed draft. detached. That's the

2128
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,080
third section of the proposed ordinance.

2129
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,520
Uh they have to be permitted, like we

2130
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,040
said, for lots at least 11,000 square

2131
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,880
feet. For the sake of numbers, for those

2132
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,000
of you that are numbers people, there

2133
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,760
are 5,800 single family residential

2134
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,600
properties in Oram City that are

2135
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,040
currently at least 11,000 ft². Um so not

2136
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,440
a small number. Um not all of them will

2137
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:25,600
qualify in other ways. Setbacks might

2138
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,440
keep a few from from working, but that's

2139
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,320
the that's the plan. Um size

2140
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,480
restrictions. We have proposed a minimum

2141
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,480
of 200 square feet. That lets us for

2142
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:38,000
sure require building permits. Um, and

2143
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,760
then never allowed to be larger than 50%

2144
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,440
of the primary dwelling. Again, the the

2145
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:45,040
point is to keep it subordinate to the existing home. So, if you have a

2146
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,639
little tiny home and you build a

2147
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,480
gigantic accessory dwelling in it, it

2148
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,320
feels a little a little wrong.

2149
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,440
>> Out of balance. Yeah.

2150
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:55,280
>> Yeah. So nothing would keep you from

2151
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,800
uh from building like if you had a

2152
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,159
little tiny house and it was way back on

2153
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,080
your lot, grandma's old farm lot or

2154
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,520
something and you wanted to build a big

2155
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,440
new house in the front and make the back

2156
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:05,120
one your accessory dwelling unit if it

2157
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,360
met those if it met by happen stance

2158
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,159
arbor codes would say no to that. But

2159
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:12,239
the the purpose is that it has to be no

2160
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,080
more than 50% of the size the main

2161
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,520
house. Um lot sizes we we were proposing

2162
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,560
and the planning commission has

2163
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,920
forwarded a recommendation proposing

2164
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,040
this lot sizes between 11,000 and 13,000

2165
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,040
for all intents and purposes square feet

2166
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,840
850 ft for the maximum size for the

2167
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,320
accessory dwelling unit and no more than

2168
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,520
two bedrooms uh for lots between 13 and

2169
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,040
15,000 ft²,000 ft for the ADU and no

2170
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,800
more than two bedrooms and the truly

2171
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,760
large lots the 15,000 plus 1,200 ft² for

2172
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,560
the ADU and three bedrooms. Um we we

2173
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,000
picked these numbers out of a lot of

2174
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,239
different codes that we'd read. Um a lot

2175
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:50,800
go up to 1,200. You see a few that are

2176
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,639
1500 and that kind of thing, but mostly

2177
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,280
they cap out at about 12 and a lot have

2178
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,360
um 650 ft as a minimum as a maximum for

2179
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,360
smaller lots.

2180
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,040
I'm going to take 50 on 11,000 just cuz

2181
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,560
there are so many house plans for

2182
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,239
accessory dwelling units that are about

2183
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:08,000
a

2184
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,800
there's just a lot. So that's where we

2185
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:11,760
came up with those numbers. And again,

2186
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:12,880
we don't have a lot of time for a whole

2187
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,880
bunch of research before October, so

2188
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,920
crank these in. Um,

2189
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,600
height restrictions, maximum height of

2190
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,639
20 ft for a pitched roof ADU structure,

2191
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:25,280
uh, 14 for flat roofs, not to be taller

2192
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,280
than the primary dwelling. Uh, we would

2193
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,280
allow loft spaces under the code that we

2194
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,960
proposed, but not more than 20% of the

2195
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,199
interior of the house. Um, because

2196
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:34,480
enterprising people will just make a

2197
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,239
loft that goes all the way to 5t over

2198
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:37,760
here, little stairwell going up, and

2199
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,360
made themselves a second story that's

2200
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:40,960
not really a second story. So, we

2201
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,480
defined

2202
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,719
loft spaces and then no exterior

2203
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:48,400
balconies. Um, because again, this is

2204
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,480
the intent of a of a detached accessory

2205
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:51,920
dwelling unit or the value proposition

2206
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,080
of it is that it it adds another

2207
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,920
dwelling on a property without truly

2208
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,520
affecting the residential character of

2209
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,560
the place where it is and kind of

2210
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,719
undermine that with balconies or

2211
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:04,400
setbacks that are too close or or what

2212
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,480
have you. So, with that in mind, let's

2213
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,480
talk about setbacks.

2214
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:09,920
uh from a primary dwelling on the lot.

2215
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,000
We've proposed 10 ft. There was a lot of

2216
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,840
talk at the planning commission about 6

2217
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,600
feet or whether we were 10 feet or 6

2218
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,560
feet. And I asked Emma to do us some and

2219
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,280
she has done for us some examples and 6

2220
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,679
ft was in her brain. So they all show

2221
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:25,520
accessory dwelling units at 6 ft behind

2222
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,440
a house instead of 10. We'll get to that

2223
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:29,280
in a second. The actual draft says 10

2224
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:30,960
ft. Let me get that out of the way now

2225
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,639
when it's as confusing as possible.

2226
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,440
Sorry. Uh 20 ft from any dwelling on an

2227
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:38,560
adjacent lot. And if somebody happens to

2228
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,080
have a non-conforming house that's real

2229
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,159
close and 10 ft wouldn't keep you 20 ft

2230
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:43,840
from that, then 20 this rule would kick

2231
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,440
in and keep you at least 20 ft from

2232
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,679
their house. 10 ft from any interior

2233
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,760
property line, a side or rear property

2234
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,000
and 25 ft from any public or private

2235
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,080
street. And then again, we talked about

2236
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,520
this a little bit, but not to be located

2237
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,040
between the primary dwelling and a

2238
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,679
street of any kind, corner side, double

2239
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:02,239
frontage lot, or in front of the house

2240
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:03,440
just because the house is a long way

2241
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,199
back. You still have to be behind the

2242
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,520
house. Um and again we because the code

2243
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,520
requires it, state code requires it,

2244
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,840
we've got a section saying you can use

2245
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,920
an existing accessory structure that can

2246
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,520
be converted or remodeled meeting our

2247
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,440
setbacks and or other height

2248
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,159
requirements and things like that.

2249
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,080
Um any questions about setbacks we can

2250
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,400
come back to. There's a I've seen a few

2251
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,520
properties in Oram where they have

2252
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,120
attached unit whether it be a shed or

2253
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,000
something that goes right up to the

2254
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,440
fence and goes and you showed it in your

2255
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,440
one of your first pictures goes to the

2256
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:36,960
property line where a lot of cases that

2257
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,000
doesn't make sense but there may be some

2258
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,920
cases where it does make sense ways to

2259
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,120
work with those

2260
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,800
>> you we'd have to look at them I don't

2261
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,480
know and we could talk more about that

2262
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,639
as we look at the examples that uh Emma

2263
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:50,719
prepared for us too so but it's a good question right now our

2264
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,320
accessory structure so like if you have

2265
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,639
a detached garage you can be very close

2266
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:55,920
to your property line with a detached

2267
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,239
garage. We propose that 10 ft as a

2268
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,360
minimum just because it feels like uh it

2269
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,120
feels like a dwelling that someone lives

2270
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,960
in being close to your property line is

2271
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,480
different than their garage where they

2272
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:09,199
keep their lawn mower and what

2273
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:11,679
um so but that's we can talk about that

2274
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:15,040
more. It's a good point. Uh let's see

2275
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,320
couple of quick things about parking

2276
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:17,920
before and other things before we get to

2277
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,639
the uh the examples of what these might

2278
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,159
look like in real life or at least where

2279
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:24,560
they'd be located. Uh parking needs to

2280
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,480
be located these we kept these from the

2281
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,040
existing accessory apartments code that

2282
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,960
we have. We just mirrored that located

2283
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,120
behind the front setback. So front yard

2284
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,199
driveway spaces like here you couldn't

2285
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:36,960
say well I've got my parking from ADU.

2286
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,320
You have to provide it like around the

2287
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,679
side of the house or something. So it's

2288
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,400
specific and is truly used for the ADU

2289
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,440
as opposed to um the homeowner living

2290
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:46,719
here is going to have his car parked in

2291
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:48,320
there and let the ADU occupant be parked

2292
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,639
in back have to move his car. That just

2293
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:51,920
guarantees they're on the street. So, we

2294
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,239
require them to be behind driveway or

2295
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,560
outside of the driveway. Um, one

2296
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,080
additional space, this is right out of

2297
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,560
the um the state requirements. One

2298
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,880
additional space for any DAU that's 200

2299
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,600
to 650 ft. Two additional spaces for

2300
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,280
anything bigger than 650 ft².

2301
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,159
Now, these slides that um I'm going to

2302
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:13,920
show you in a second, again, utility

2303
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:14,800
service. This is another thing that

2304
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,920
we're allowed to do. We're allowed to

2305
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,080
review the utility uh service

2306
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,520
availability and make sure that it can

2307
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,000
handle that our water and sewer and

2308
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,360
things can handle having another unit

2309
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,080
here. It's not usually a problem. Adus

2310
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,440
have become prevalent enough that

2311
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,840
whenever we do updates to water things,

2312
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,920
they're usually the consultants are

2313
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,440
always asking how you know what's

2314
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,440
allowed in these areas etc. And because

2315
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:36,560
accessory apartments have been allowed

2316
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,960
in or for a long time, that's probably

2317
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,960
already been part of the consideration.

2318
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,320
But there might be those cases where we

2319
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,400
want to make sure that uh they can run

2320
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:45,600
water lines because there maybe there

2321
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:46,880
aren't easements to get the water line

2322
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,000
back there. Maybe it doesn't work. We

2323
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:48,880
just want to make sure that's part of

2324
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,960
the review. And again, they're required

2325
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,719
to obtain permits for the new

2326
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:54,639
construction and get a rental dwelling

2327
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,320
license just like interior accessory

2328
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:56,960
dwellings.

2329
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,320
>> And then then they'll have their own

2330
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,320
separate hookup charge, right? Like we

2331
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,080
do with apartment buildings.

2332
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,159
>> Exactly.

2333
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:08,239
Um let's see now. Here's some examples.

2334
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,560
Emma pulled these lots at random. just

2335
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,560
looking at aerials and then zooming in

2336
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,719
to see if it would meet our 11,000 ft or

2337
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,960
larger. Tried to get some different kind

2338
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,719
of lot configurations and different lot

2339
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:22,480
sizes and then applied our proposed um

2340
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:24,560
ordinance, the one that the drafted

2341
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,080
ordinance to these lots. So, you'll see

2342
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,760
parking spaces. She tried to say where

2343
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,520
we where they could locate parking if

2344
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,600
they had room to do that. Uh and the

2345
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,960
size that would be allowed based on the

2346
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,120
lot size. So based on this lot's size,

2347
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,719
the available square footage in the back

2348
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:43,280
after setbacks of 25 from the road, 10

2349
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,120
from the interiors, and six from the

2350
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,840
house. Again, it should be 10, but six

2351
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,480
is one of the things we talked about.

2352
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,480
Um, they would have a they would be

2353
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,960
allowed a 1,000T accessory detach

2354
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,040
accessory dwelling unit and they could

2355
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,280
site one there. So that's that's kind of

2356
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,560
the space it would take up in the rear

2357
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,480
yard and what it might be. That's a

2358
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:04,239
likely spot for them to put it. That

2359
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,159
make sense? I have five or six of these

2360
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,480
just as examples so you can consider

2361
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:10,080
>> that was kind of unique. That's a corner

2362
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,840
lot, right? Those are a little more

2363
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:12,560
complicated,

2364
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,080
>> little harder to do. We wanted some

2365
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,600
different kinds of ones because there's

2366
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,360
a cul there's a culde-sac lot in here,

2367
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,080
too. [clears throat] Um, so far in her

2368
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,480
random in her random review, she has not

2369
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,280
found one that would not work. An 11,000

2370
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,199
plus foot lot that you could not site

2371
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:30,000
one.

2372
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,520
This is another one. This lot is 11,325

2373
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,560
ft. So it would get an 850 foot

2374
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,400
allowance for one. They might not take

2375
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,760
up the whole thing, but you could put a

2376
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,679
maximum size one there. And those are

2377
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:44,000
its setbacks.

2378
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,000
>> What's the setback from the neighbor the

2379
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:46,480
rear

2380
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,719
>> from here or here? This is 10

2381
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:49,600
>> corner lot again.

2382
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:50,560
>> It's showing 10.

2383
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:51,760
>> This is another corner lot.

2384
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,239
>> Uh-huh. Got a corner here.

2385
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,080
>> So there 25 from that corner side and 10

2386
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,560
from the interior here.

2387
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,400
Total distance from here to the house. I

2388
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,000
don't know. This is a larger sideyard.

2389
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,360
This home could be because it's a

2390
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,120
sidehood, it could be located closer

2391
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,679
than that. In other situations in this

2392
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:11,120
particular one, it's it's not.

2393
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,440
And then again, parking for the parking,

2394
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,600
you're going to see four on each one or

2395
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,440
some if it's a smaller one, maybe three,

2396
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:19,360
but two for the primary dwelling in the

2397
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,360
garage there. And then the driveway

2398
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:22,719
doesn't get a count. They'd have to pour

2399
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:24,320
a pad around the side here like that for

2400
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:29,189
the parking for the ADU.

2401
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:31,679
Here's the culde-sac lot. Again, they'd

2402
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:33,120
have to get creative with the parking.

2403
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,320
They could do them in tandem. They could

2404
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:35,920
just run a longer driveway or something,

2405
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,760
but they could do a thousand square foot

2406
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,639
one back here, meet those setbacks.

2407
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,159
Uh, and you can see kind of where it

2408
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,080
would likely put the unit.

2409
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,920
>> Why are we using a th00and?

2410
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,280
>> Cuz that's what would be allowed. This

2411
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,920
is a 13,000t lot. So, under the draft

2412
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,760
that we currently have, you could do up

2413
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,760
to a,000 ft of detached accessory

2414
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,719
dwelling unit.

2415
01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:58,080
>> You could do smaller. This is the

2416
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,199
maximum. This is the biggest one.

2417
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:02,480
that you this is the biggest one you

2418
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:03,679
could do regardless. Even if they had

2419
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:05,679
three times this much space back here,

2420
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:08,159
that's the biggest one they could do

2421
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,120
based on the draft.

2422
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:10,480
>> Jared, I might have missed this before,

2423
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:12,320
but can you have tandem parking behind

2424
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,040
the house?

2425
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,320
>> You you can under um under state code

2426
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,239
under one of the on that 1020 the one

2427
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:19,679
that doesn't allow us to do pretty. It

2428
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:20,960
also doesn't allow us to not count

2429
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,239
tandem parking for accessory.

2430
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:27,280
Great question.

2431
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,280
and the parking. Favorite target of

2432
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,679
planners everywhere. Not allowed. They don't let us target that anymore.

2433
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:35,360
We're discriminatory.

2434
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,520
Um here's another culde-sac lot. Those

2435
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:38,800
should be the hardest ones to locate

2436
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,480
these on generally speaking. And then so

2437
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:43,120
far not too bad. This is this is larger

2438
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,280
than 11,000. Sorry, larger than 11,000

2439
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,280
ft, but not large enough to allow the

2440
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,480
1,000T maximum. So you get 850 ft back

2441
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:53,199
here, but you could do up to 850 ft back

2442
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,960
there and make your setbacks work the

2443
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,880
way that we have proposed them at 10 ft.

2444
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,960
>> So are you saying that that is 10 ft

2445
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,400
from the house?

2446
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,400
>> This is this is this around the house

2447
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,000
just this gray you're seeing is actually

2448
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,400
only 6 ft. If it were 10, it would still

2449
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,440
actually make it. But

2450
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:11,440
>> would still look like clip the corner of

2451
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:12,000
it.

2452
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:12,800
>> Yeah, it might.

2453
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:13,679
>> Building envelope.

2454
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:16,159
>> It might. And they would have to they'd

2455
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:17,440
have to

2456
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:18,560
>> Well, I'm sorry. I'm not understanding

2457
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,880
cuz that 10 ft looks about the same as

2458
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:21,840
>> it's 10 ft.

2459
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,840
>> Yeah. So you're saying the top red

2460
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:24,880
corner

2461
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,679
>> is 6 feet from the from the house.

2462
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:30,560
>> This is 6 feet here. Right here.

2463
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,400
>> Okay. So that's set back more than six

2464
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:32,880
feet.

2465
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,990
>> Yeah. This is set back more than six.

2466
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,040
» Sorry.

2467
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,639
>> No, that I just couldn't tell.

2468
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:42,320
>> Yeah. No, I'm sorry. That's that's why

2469
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,760
it's a little confusing because it's the

2470
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,239
six feet instead of the 10. that it it's

2471
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:47,679
actually the code says the code that we

2472
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:50,159
proposed says 10 but we drew these at

2473
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:52,320
six just having confused ourselves

2474
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:53,920
talking about six versus 10.

2475
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,600
>> Yeah. But the 10 is the property line.

2476
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,000
>> Yes.

2477
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,440
>> Go through the logic of the six versus

2478
01:34:57,440 --> 01:34:58,159
10. Why they

2479
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:01,199
>> six foot is it's a great question. The

2480
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,360
six feet is what you're required the

2481
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:04,320
current if you want to build an

2482
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,400
accessory a shed or a garage in your

2483
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:07,760
backyard you have to stay at least 6

2484
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,080
feet from your house. We wrote the draft

2485
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,080
saying 10 just to make it a uniform. 10

2486
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,600
ft from the house, 10 feet from property

2487
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,000
lines that are interior and 25 from

2488
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,400
streets. But uh the commission had when

2489
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,159
they were discussing the draft, they

2490
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:22,000
talked about what's required for

2491
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,159
current, you know, 6 ft is 6 ft's in

2492
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:25,360
their brains because that's what we

2493
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,280
require for accessories. And this is

2494
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,360
accessory in name at least accessory

2495
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,679
dwelling units. So 6 ft is a pretty

2496
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:33,280
standard. If you're 6 ft behind the

2497
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,679
house, if you're separated 6 ft from

2498
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:38,639
your dwelling, you don't have fire code

2499
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,719
problems with the with the garage or the

2500
01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:42,480
shed or the or the accessory dwelling in

2501
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:44,159
it, frankly, anything that you're doing.

2502
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:47,440
That's why six uh 10 just to to make it

2503
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:50,400
for privacy's purposes, I guess. But,

2504
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:51,760
you know, if if you wanted to allow

2505
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,920
people to do 6 ft instead of 10 from

2506
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,719
their house to make some like if this

2507
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:58,960
one, for example, was 10 and it was just

2508
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,040
clipping the corner, 6 ft wouldn't clip

2509
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,239
the corner. If you want to make it more

2510
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,239
accessible to people, six is a

2511
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,159
reasonable standard to close it's close

2512
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,080
to their house and lets them keep it

2513
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,679
close to their house and and still get

2514
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:12,239
to do it without um you know violating

2515
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,000
anybody else's setbacks

2516
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,600
>> probably favor making it more flexible

2517
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,040
for the homeowner who has to live the

2518
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,880
consequences of how far the place is but

2519
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,400
>> have to make a decision. So

2520
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:21,600
>> it doesn't impact the neighbors. I think

2521
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,080
it and that's my I don't know when it's

2522
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,480
the right time to say this but for me

2523
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:28,480
impact on the neighbors is key here.

2524
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,719
>> Sure. Because the tendency is I'm going

2525
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:32,880
to tuck this as far away from me as

2526
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,159
possible. Right. And yet you're putting

2527
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:39,040
it closer to your neighbor's especially

2528
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,280
are we

2529
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,199
so you're saying right now on our

2530
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:46,000
commercial code we have a 1:1 height

2531
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,639
ratio. So you're 10t away. You can't

2532
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:51,520
have higher than 10 ft if you're So I

2533
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,119
almost feel like we should put the same

2534
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:56,719
protection in here so that the impact

2535
01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:58,400
goes to the person who's trying to gain

2536
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,119
the benefit

2537
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:00,159
>> for the primary dwelling.

2538
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,040
>> Yeah. For the primary benefit or

2539
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,960
dwelling because they're the one getting

2540
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,719
the financial benefit. They're the one,

2541
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:08,320
you know, it's on their property. So why

2542
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,239
are you infringing on your neighbors

2543
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:10,960
privacy?

2544
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:11,360
>> Sure.

2545
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,440
>> By trying to put it as far back in your

2546
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:14,000
yard.

2547
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,360
>> And we could we could entertain that.

2548
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:16,800
Absolutely. would like to see how you

2549
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,920
could make that fit with the law.

2550
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:20,320
>> Still,

2551
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:21,679
>> I don't think it would be a problem with

2552
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:23,360
the law. We're allowed to regulate the

2553
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,360
height and things. And actually, I'm

2554
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,639
going to go all the way back to the

2555
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:29,760
writer's cottage. That's not real tall.

2556
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,119
You know, you could even with that peak,

2557
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:34,960
that wouldn't be hard to sight. And

2558
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:39,760
still, you know, if you're and and I'm not

2559
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,760
I I completely agree with the thoughts

2560
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,360
there because the accessory dwelling

2561
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,199
units, especially detached accessory

2562
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:47,760
dwelling units, the whole point is for

2563
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,840
them not to be an impact to the

2564
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,600
character, right? So, if they're

2565
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,600
maintaining that, anything that pushes

2566
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,920
them to be smaller or located more

2567
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,199
unobtrusively, that's good. We just The

2568
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:00,560
only thing I worry about is falling a

2569
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,639
foul of this right here, the

2570
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,800
unreasonably difficult. As long as it's

2571
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,880
not unreasonably difficult, then we're

2572
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:07,920
not going to have a problem with the

2573
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,800
state on it.

2574
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,719
>> Would you do like a range?

2575
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:11,920
>> Yeah. Let me get back to the heights.

2576
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,360
Sorry. A range is a good idea.

2577
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,000
>> Like range from from property line,

2578
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:16,400
right?

2579
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,760
>> Increase height as you're further from

2580
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:18,320
the property.

2581
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:18,639
>> Yeah,

2582
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:19,760
>> sure. Absolutely.

2583
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,560
>> Because we do that in for ours that are

2584
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,719
next to commercial. We use that as a

2585
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:26,159
protection. That's just standard

2586
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:26,800
planning.

2587
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:27,199
>> Sure.

2588
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:28,159
>> Protections.

2589
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:29,679
>> We could absolutely implement something

2590
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:30,800
like that. Look what that would I don't

2591
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,080
think it would be a problem for the the

2592
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,080
state code if as long as it was, you

2593
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:34,320
know,

2594
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,159
>> and I want that I I would like to have

2595
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:38,000
you help me figure this out with not

2596
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,040
only height, but also once again I'm

2597
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,600
going to come back to this impact should

2598
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,360
be felt by the homeowner who is building

2599
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,360
it on their property. Their property

2600
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,679
should fill the impact more than the

2601
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:51,520
property to the side or behind them.

2602
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,199
>> Sure. And if you're pushing it clear

2603
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:54,480
back in the corner because we're only

2604
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,520
doing 10 feet when they could put it

2605
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,600
within six feet of their house and still

2606
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,239
build it, then that gives them the

2607
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:04,320
impact instead of their neighbor because

2608
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,159
then if there's a baby crying in the

2609
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:07,520
middle of the night in that little

2610
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,040
detached ADU, they're going to hear it

2611
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,320
more than their neighbor's going to hear

2612
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,800
it. Something like that. That would kind

2613
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,040
of be my thoughts on how do we make sure

2614
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,920
that we're giving the opportunity but

2615
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,000
also protecting the next door neighbor

2616
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,600
from negative impacts.

2617
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,600
>> Sure.

2618
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,639
>> The building height in the code here is

2619
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,840
what 20 ft

2620
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,760
>> for a pitched roof and 14 for a flat. So

2621
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,840
if you did the one for one like you're

2622
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,920
talking about commercial zones, that

2623
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,920
would mean a pitch roof would need to be

2624
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,920
20 feet from the from a property line

2625
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,840
which now

2626
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,679
protects neighbors from that

2627
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:51,040
encroachment and would ne would probably

2628
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:55,760
in the code we have 10 ft. Uh building

2629
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,400
code you can't go below six, right?

2630
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:59,280
>> Yeah.

2631
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,000
So the minimum we could go for an

2632
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,920
accessory

2633
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,480
structure would be six feet from the

2634
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:07,360
from a property

2635
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,440
>> from the existing home. Yeah.

2636
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:10,239
>> Yeah.

2637
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,080
Because then building code issues

2638
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,600
come in and

2639
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,679
>> and I I totally get that. Yeah. And to

2640
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:17,040
me I'm more comfortable with kind of

2641
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,440
that because once again this should be

2642
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:22,159
not noticed by anyone. You know, that's

2643
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,159
why the internal ADUs work out so well

2644
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:26,800
is because really if you got the parking

2645
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,960
then you don't have the

2646
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,600
>> and I I do think ultimately

2647
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,080
I I I think I'm reasonably sure that

2648
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,040
internal ADUs will also continue to be

2649
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,800
more popular. They're just generally

2650
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:45,280
easier to to to do. Um although if if

2651
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,280
I'm wrong, the the conversations that

2652
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:48,800
I've had with other planners is that the

2653
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,560
thing that's going to change all of this

2654
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:51,760
or that's going to make that not the

2655
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,639
case is the advent of these buy it on

2656
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:56,719
Amazon, have it crane dropped into your

2657
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:59,679
backyard on a pad, pretty easy, clad it

2658
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:00,960
with something. And that's going to

2659
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,440
change all that. It's stick building was

2660
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:05,040
much more expensive than remodeling your

2661
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,639
basement to make it meets building

2662
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:10,000
codes. But that's changing. So go ahead.

2663
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,760
um

2664
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,159
we have dinner ready for us and take a

2665
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,000
but I don't know what the rest of your

2666
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,520
presentation I want to make sure that we

2667
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,360
break in an appropriate point for a

2668
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:20,960
quick blessing on the food and and grab

2669
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:21,840
our dinner but

2670
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,679
>> this is as boring as this so you can

2671
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:28,800
>> this is as good as good as this gets

2672
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,840
asked council member if she would offer

2673
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,119
a blessing on the food

2674
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:36,400
>> and dear father in heaven we're so

2675
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:37,679
grateful this day that we can gather

2676
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:39,520
together in this free country to have a

2677
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:40,880
meeting and discuss what's in the best

2678
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,239
interest of our city. We're grateful

2679
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:43,760
today also for the food and we ask that

2680
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:45,760
you please bless it and bless us to have

2681
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,040
wisdom as we continue throughout this

2682
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,080
night. And we say this in the name of

2683
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:49,199
Jesus Christ. Amen.

2684
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:52,080
>> Amen. Thank you. I didn't know if there

2685
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,760
was there was going to be like a time

2686
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,679
before you do an interpretive dance or

2687
01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:56,800
>> Oh, there's no dancing

2688
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,960
>> like that. Okay.

2689
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:04,229
>> Not legally allowed to dance.

2690
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:04,880
» Exactly.

2691
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,320
>> That's part of the dance class. I can

2692
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:09,440
you can take a break and grab your

2693
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:10,320
dinners if you want. You want to do

2694
01:42:10,320 --> 01:44:43,990
that? like it is like 5

2695
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,880
You don't want your sweater on anymore?

2696
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,159
It might be cool inside.

2697
01:44:50,159 --> 01:45:10,390
>> We can take it with us.

2698
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:12,000
How are you guys? You're kind. Thank

2699
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,520
you, sir. Let me get that for you. Yeah,

2700
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:27,430
there you go. Please.

2701
01:45:27,440 --> 01:47:02,390
Oh, sorry.

2702
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,080
We're going to wait for just a second

2703
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,239
for Jen to get back. Council member

2704
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:17,030
Goom.

2705
01:47:17,040 --> 01:50:00,950
Take a peek.

2706
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,719
just this I have a couple more of these

2707
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,159
slides that show kind of where it is.

2708
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:05,760
But um so I'll do that and then we can

2709
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,040
talk about what we want to come back

2710
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,280
with and maybe some other potentials or

2711
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,199
other things we want to talk. This is

2712
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:12,719
just another culde-sac lot where you

2713
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:14,639
could locate again two for the primary

2714
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:17,040
dwelling. you do too for this 850

2715
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:18,719
footer. You could put that back here

2716
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:21,520
without too much trouble. Um, here's a

2717
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,760
slightly more complicated culde-sac lot

2718
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,440
on aore

2719
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:27,040
shaped lot. A little harder to locate,

2720
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,000
but they still if we're at six from the

2721
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,760
house here, you can make it at 10 from

2722
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,199
the house. It's probably shrink the

2723
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:35,199
footprint, but again, you can do these

2724
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:37,679
two two parking spaces and maybe get two

2725
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:38,719
more. It might be a little tricky. You

2726
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:40,800
don't have to do tandem, but make it

2727
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,520
work. So the the thing that we wanted to

2728
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,840
show was kind of exactly what came up

2729
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,679
was wanted to show the other houses

2730
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:48,960
around. So you have to imagine here's

2731
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,800
the house that I live in. I'm building

2732
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,520
this thousand foot guest house, guest

2733
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,159
cottage, accessory dwelling unit. This

2734
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,920
is this other person's house. Um so

2735
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,400
relevant to that height discussion, this

2736
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:03,840
footprint is one thing, you know, taking

2737
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,360
up the space, but the height of it is a

2738
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,480
whole other matter. So that that

2739
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,560
proximity is what if I'm hearing you

2740
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,159
right, Len, is what's been concerning to

2741
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:12,800
you.

2742
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,400
>> The proximity of another structure here

2743
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,960
that's maybe taller and is much closer

2744
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,320
to this house this has ever been. Not

2745
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:21,840
that they couldn't do an addition here

2746
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:23,040
or something and probably meet some

2747
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:25,199
setbacks, but still this is different, a

2748
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:26,480
separate guest house and we live in

2749
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,520
there all the time. So um I think that's

2750
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:30,880
my second to last one and we can talk

2751
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,600
about different changes. And this is a

2752
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,280
little interior lot. It's a smaller lot,

2753
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,920
just barely over the 11,000. Well, 12196

2754
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,960
actually just a big house. Um, 850 ft²,

2755
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,760
you could locate it back there.

2756
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,280
A lot of those Amazon deals I've been

2757
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,599
talking about are like 600 ft. They're a

2758
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:49,040
little smaller than this. Anybody, any

2759
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,400
one of these could accommodate one of

2760
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,440
those. Uh, but again, you have proximity

2761
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,760
to this house here, back a back lot

2762
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:01,199
house right there, and this folk this house here. This folks, these folks

2763
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:02,560
are going to see that more than than

2764
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,040
they would have otherwise. Those are my

2765
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:09,440
only um slides about that. Um relevant

2766
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,520
to the idea of height. Again, this is

2767
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,920
not a real tall structure. So, if we if

2768
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,840
we went a different direction on height

2769
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,639
and tried to look at uh a kind of a

2770
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,119
graded height like L was talking about,

2771
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:22,639
would you like to see what that might

2772
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,480
look like for these? We could uh we

2773
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:26,800
could take a look at that, bring it back

2774
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,800
uh to a work session and talk about

2775
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,280
gradating the height from relating it to

2776
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,280
distance from property lights starting

2777
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,360
at that 10 and going up from there. Uh

2778
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:36,800
is that something that's interesting? I

2779
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,159
need to hear if that's something that

2780
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:38,960
I'd like to see.

2781
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,599
>> So I think it's important makes it see

2782
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:42,480
that too.

2783
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,119
>> Yeah. And this again looking at these it

2784
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:46,239
probably won't be hard to accommodate.

2785
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:47,440
It's not going to keep anybody from

2786
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:49,920
getting to do it. think just looking at

2787
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,679
the kinds of units if these are the

2788
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:54,080
kinds of units you want to see. Now, we

2789
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,239
do get people coming in and calling in

2790
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,080
sometimes saying, "Well, why can't I

2791
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,639
have two stories for my accessory

2792
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,320
dwelling unit or why can't I put a a

2793
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,159
unit over my garage or why can't I have

2794
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:06,000
this tall?" Because of those reasons. We

2795
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,960
don't want to intrude upon other other

2796
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:10,960
properties that are adjacent. They don't

2797
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,320
love that. They don't accept that

2798
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,119
necessarily, but if that's the goal that

2799
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,840
these kinds of units, if that's the

2800
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,199
goal, these can be easily accommodated

2801
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:21,040
with a gradated height. Take a look at

2802
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:22,000
that. Is that something? Is there

2803
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:22,960
anything else in there we ought to look

2804
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,159
at? And bringing it back to you and

2805
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:26,239
we'll bring we'll come whatever other

2806
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:27,520
work session you're willing to invite us

2807
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,440
to and we'll talk about changes to it.

2808
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,040
>> Is the height and the setback if we

2809
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,000
could even on the larger lots

2810
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,400
>> kind of. So once again, they're going to

2811
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,560
try to put it in the very back corner so

2812
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,159
they don't feel the impact. I almost

2813
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:41,440
feel like

2814
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,760
find some type of a range that puts it

2815
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:46,159
closer to their house. I mean, maybe on

2816
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,400
the really big ones, you say you have to

2817
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,639
put it within 20 feet of your house and

2818
01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:52,960
still have 40 ft behind you. You know,

2819
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,800
if there's a really big lot instead of

2820
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:55,840
just

2821
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:56,239
>> okay,

2822
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:56,960
>> sticking it back there.

2823
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,280
>> So, explore like a range of a location

2824
01:53:59,280 --> 01:53:59,679
range

2825
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:02,880
>> location relative relative to the house.

2826
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:04,400
>> Starting with the house is the point as

2827
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,400
opposed to the property.

2828
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:07,520
>> Okay. That's kind of

2829
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,040
>> you can't be located a certain you can't

2830
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,199
be located further than X from your

2831
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,119
house for example.

2832
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:14,880
>> Well, so I want to be flexible with that

2833
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,360
but at the same time depend that that

2834
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:19,119
would depend on how close it is to the

2835
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:22,239
house behind. So you're still 50 ft from

2836
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:23,760
the yard behind

2837
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:25,520
>> then I don't care if you're 20 30t from

2838
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:26,719
the house but

2839
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:28,880
>> it's this is

2840
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,440
>> you know challenge. It is a it is a

2841
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:33,040
challenge, but I again it's one that you

2842
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:36,239
can't really can't really can't worry

2843
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:37,760
too much about it because the the

2844
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:38,960
challenge I was going to bring up is the

2845
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,159
same one that happens with these

2846
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:42,880
distance rules like 20 ft between you

2847
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,400
can't locate an accessory structure

2848
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,000
closer than 20 ft to a dwelling on

2849
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,159
another lot. So somebody locates their

2850
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:51,199
garage, their detached garage, and then

2851
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:53,520
gentleman B from the lot next door wants

2852
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,520
to add on to his house

2853
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:56,800
>> and it's going to put it too close to

2854
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,480
this guy's garage. And I say, "Well, I'm

2855
01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:59,440
sorry. You can't add on to your house

2856
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,360
now. can't limited me,

2857
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:01,840
>> right?

2858
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,760
>> You can't really avoid that conflict. It

2859
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,000
happens and we we'd be in the same kind

2860
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,599
of conflicting area. Well, you got to if

2861
01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:08,719
you're not too close to this other

2862
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,560
house, we don't care until that other

2863
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,000
house adds on. So, we have to really

2864
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,920
look at what they're able to add on. So

2865
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,760
what you're doing and that is such a

2866
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,679
great example because what what I see

2867
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:22,480
right now by basing the setback on the nearby dwelling

2868
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,679
>> is you are taking their property away

2869
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:28,159
from their ability to develop their

2870
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:30,480
property away from them so the person

2871
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,400
across the fence can develop their

2872
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,280
property. Right.

2873
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,040
>> So that's why I think if we could do

2874
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,840
something more from a property line

2875
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:42,800
basis that impacts the property that has it, then we're going to avoid those

2876
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:44,480
problems down the road. Because frankly,

2877
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,199
I'm going to be a little miffed if I buy

2878
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:48,480
a house thinking that I'm going to be

2879
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,960
able to add on. Then the city comes and

2880
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,719
says, "Oh, by the way, you can't because

2881
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:55,840
there's this 12ft high dwelling,

2882
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,440
you know, 10 ft from your property line

2883
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,199
and you can't do that." Now,

2884
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,119
>> we we probably want to do something.

2885
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,280
Maybe we could look at doing something

2886
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:07,199
like uh we could base a requirement for

2887
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:08,639
an accessory dwelling, you know, like

2888
01:56:08,639 --> 01:56:11,040
this, not solely on setbacks from

2889
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:12,239
property lines. It could have several

2890
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,159
setback requirements, right? Within a

2891
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,000
certain proximity to your pro primary

2892
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,639
dwelling, not further than, for example,

2893
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:21,280
and not closer than to a property line

2894
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,679
and not closer than not to the dwelling

2895
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:25,760
on the adjacent lot, but to the setback

2896
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,840
that's adjacent to it, to an adjacent

2897
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,119
setback line. So you add add 10 ft to

2898
01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:32,800
that line or something. You say they're

2899
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,400
their rear yard setback in the zoning is

2900
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,679
25 ft. Your place can't your new place

2901
01:56:37,679 --> 01:56:40,480
here could never be closer than 35 ft or

2902
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:43,119
40 ft to that setback line. So that if

2903
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:44,480
they're not built to it now, but they

2904
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:45,920
want to in the future, they're not going

2905
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,520
to have a problem. See what I mean?

2906
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:48,719
>> I would love to see what that looks like

2907
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:50,000
cuz right now I'm a little confused by

2908
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:50,480
what you said.

2909
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:51,440
>> So would I and I think someone else

2910
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,199
should write it. [laughter]

2911
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:53,520
Talk to

2912
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:55,760
>> Aaron. I kind of get it. But you know

2913
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,639
what? Like if this was the 10-ft

2914
01:56:58,639 --> 01:56:59,440
requirement,

2915
01:56:59,440 --> 01:56:59,840
>> yeah,

2916
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,639
>> that you the ordinance would say this

2917
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:04,400
10-ft line

2918
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,960
>> affects the setbacks there, not where

2919
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:07,280
this

2920
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:08,639
>> not not the location of the house, but

2921
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:10,000
the setback that it could meet in the

2922
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,080
future, right? That's exactly right.

2923
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,320
>> I think we could do that. Um the

2924
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,560
question becomes and we we can take a

2925
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,719
look at how that would how that would

2926
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:20,080
pan out. We'll do the same kind of

2927
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,560
random samples and if it looks like it

2928
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:24,159
would be what we only want to be careful

2929
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,400
of is that it not

2930
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,800
um not fall a foul of the writers

2931
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,280
>> in prohibitive is if they can't do a

2932
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,080
minimum 200 square foot type agency

2933
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,760
>> right I mean it can always go that's the

2934
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:36,800
other thing they can always go small

2935
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:37,599
>> clients right

2936
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:39,599
>> it can always go smaller as long as we

2937
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:41,599
don't fall foul of whatever unreasonably

2938
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:43,760
means here then we should be okay and I

2939
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,560
don't again I we had some conversations

2940
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,239
internally as staff about this kind of

2941
01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:51,360
thing and uh just and it makes sense for

2942
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:52,880
the larger groups too we had them with

2943
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,199
the planning commission as well bear in

2944
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:57,760
mind that there there will be properties

2945
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,320
as much as this opens up the ability for

2946
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,280
5,800 or 5,800 lots that are 11,000 ft²

2947
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,520
or bigger. We haven't found any yet that

2948
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,920
couldn't accommodate one with the what

2949
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:09,679
we wrote. And even when we change the

2950
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:10,880
writing and make it a little bit more

2951
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,560
restrictive, we still probably won't

2952
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,440
find a lot. But there will be some. But

2953
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,360
the the the requirement is not that

2954
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,760
every single lot be allowed to do a

2955
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:23,119
detached AU. And remember that those

2956
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,520
that do wind up not being eligible for

2957
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,840
detached ADU, they're still eligible for

2958
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,159
an internal ADU. They're not barred out

2959
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:31,280
of the system. They just might not get

2960
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:32,320
to have it be

2961
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:33,920
>> going to say cuz that house right there

2962
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:35,440
looks like a pretty big house.

2963
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:38,000
>> You could definitely put was retired and

2964
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:39,440
I'm empty nest or everything and I

2965
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:40,880
complain that, you know, I need to get

2966
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,040
some additional income. I could easily

2967
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,040
do an internal ADU in that home. I'm

2968
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:45,920
guessing

2969
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,520
>> my neighbors I have three neighbors who

2970
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:49,679
have added them onto their homes and we

2971
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:51,360
don't have that big a house.

2972
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:52,719
>> Yeah, exactly. And these are the

2973
01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:54,639
maximums. They're not you don't if if it

2974
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:55,760
didn't quite fit, you could always

2975
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:56,960
shrink that a little bit, do a different

2976
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:58,639
unit. There lots of options,

2977
01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:03,360
>> but there's an issue that I've

2978
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,199
just thought of with all this and it's

2979
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:07,679
one of these things that why we wish we

2980
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:10,560
had more time from the state that we

2981
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,880
might need to think of is it has to hook

2982
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:14,560
into utilities. Yeah.

2983
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,960
>> So, one reality of utilities, you could

2984
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,599
have a home like this and where the

2985
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:21,119
utility, I don't know if this is a

2986
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:23,599
through street or not. They may hook

2987
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:27,840
into say sewer here,

2988
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:30,239
but the only place for this really

2989
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:32,239
feasibly to hook into the sewer might be

2990
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,639
out here. And because of the depth of

2991
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:37,520
the sewer, they may want to bring in a

2992
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,280
whole bunch of fill.

2993
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:40,800
>> Oh, don't go down that road.

2994
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:42,639
>> And [laughter] and I think we probably

2995
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:46,480
need to look at some of those issues too

2996
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:51,119
that they can't and a detach accessory

2997
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:53,520
dwelling unit cannot

2998
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:54,800
raise the grade

2999
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,400
>> right that's

3000
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,000
>> existing grade

3001
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,599
>> so many phone calls right now on those

3002
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:00,400
other home

3003
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,000
>> yeah that's a good point

3004
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,560
>> yeah because when you're putting it in

3005
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:07,040
the backyard oftent times especially if

3006
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:10,000
you're on a corner lot the nearest sewer

3007
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,280
that you can hook into may not be

3008
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:16,800
the one that the main home is or it may

3009
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,880
because of topography at a different

3010
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,199
elevation

3011
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:22,880
and that you know so that's something

3012
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,800
we're going to have to think through we

3013
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,560
can we can there's a there's a natural

3014
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:30,719
place to add that language Gary where we create the required statement

3015
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:32,080
that you

3016
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,159
>> that that you can or the the allowed

3017
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:35,840
statement that we review your utility

3018
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:37,440
access and stuff we'll put it in there

3019
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:38,239
about

3020
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:40,560
>> grade it's just hard to do so I think

3021
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:44,310
you should go into timeout brought

3022
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:45,920
So you're seeing how the sausitude's

3023
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,560
made at community development with me

3024
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,000
and Jared. [laughter]

3025
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:51,920
>> I want to see meetings. They sound

3026
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:52,639
entertaining.

3027
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:54,080
>> Five or six more months from the state

3028
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,480
to get it adopted correctly.

3029
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,000
>> We're going to swing and we might miss a

3030
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,159
little bit. We'll we'll fix. But

3031
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:02,239
anything we can find in advance great

3032
02:01:02,239 --> 02:01:03,520
because that's perfect. I hadn't thought

3033
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:05,199
of that at all.

3034
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:06,560
>> Well, let us take a look. If it's all

3035
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:07,920
right, then we'll we'll go back and look

3036
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:10,719
at graded height starting lower at at

3037
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:15,280
basing setbacks in three points from the house itself from property

3038
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,360
lines and from setback lines on other

3039
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,320
properties and then grade issues too,

3040
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:21,840
Gary. We'll take a look at that. Any

3041
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:22,800
other things that were missing in there

3042
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,480
or does the other stuff work for you?

3043
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:29,119
>> Chair, this is Quinn.

3044
02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:31,760
Um, I I mentioned this last time. Uh,

3045
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:33,679
you talked about this, but it would just

3046
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:35,920
still be helpful for me to understand

3047
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:39,360
lessons from cities that have detached

3048
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,080
ADU ordinances on the books. I I'm just

3049
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:44,480
really curious in our ability to

3050
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:46,719
estimate what percent of that those

3051
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:48,639
5,800

3052
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:52,400
uh lots um may may be interested in this

3053
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:53,840
over time.

3054
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,320
>> Um, yeah. And I I'm also interested in

3055
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:57,920
knowing what what is our current number

3056
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:00,560
of ADUs if anybody knows that.

3057
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,280
>> Our current list of ex of detach we

3058
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,199
haven't had any but the internal ADUs.

3059
02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:06,800
That's a that's a good question. I

3060
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,159
should have that number in my head and I

3061
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:10,960
don't but I'll get it.

3062
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:11,360
>> Thank you.

3063
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:12,639
>> And then we'd have to distinguish

3064
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:15,360
between ADUs that are licensed and legal

3065
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:19,990
and those that are just sort of

3066
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,280
» like volunteers.

3067
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,280
>> Seems like it's they're not licensed.

3068
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,679
only a few hundred.

3069
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:28,000
>> They're they're not as I mean I I've

3070
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,599
administered I I think I mentioned this

3071
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:30,480
to the planning commission. I

3072
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:32,159
administered two codes previously that

3073
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:34,080
both allowed to detach accessory

3074
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,080
dwelling units. I had never processed

3075
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:37,760
one just because they're difficult to

3076
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:39,360
do. They're more difficult to do and

3077
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:40,560
they're more expensive and is getting

3078
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:43,360
cheaper. Uh but we had you know 30 or

3079
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,760
40. We allowed ADUs internally to use

3080
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,480
for 10 15 years. We only had 30 or 40.

3081
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:51,360
ORM has a lot comparatively um to other

3082
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,520
cities I think you'll find. And most of

3083
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,119
the guys I've talked to in other

3084
02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:56,400
planning departments that have allowed

3085
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:58,159
detached accessory dwelling units,

3086
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,159
they've got a few. They're not as

3087
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:03,440
prevalent as as you'd think, but I'll check around.

3088
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:05,520
>> I would be curious to know if those were

3089
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,159
built at the time of construction of the

3090
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:08,880
house.

3091
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,440
>> Yeah, cuz we're built out. Ours is going

3092
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,000
to be all retrofit stuff, right? So,

3093
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:15,360
that's a whole different

3094
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:17,760
>> A lot of a lot of new home designs come

3095
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,000
in ready made for ADUs. They don't

3096
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,599
necessarily pull the trigger on doing it

3097
02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:26,080
at first, but they build them and their their home builder, Ivory, or

3098
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,440
whoever's doing it is advising them, you

3099
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:28,800
want to do this cuz in the future you

3100
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,480
might want to do it, you know, might as

3101
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,400
well do it now. And they just don't pull

3102
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:34,560
the trigger on on getting the license.

3103
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:35,840
And so we do these second kitchen

3104
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,360
covenants with them instead.

3105
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:38,800
>> Well, and I'm talking detached.

3106
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,199
>> Yeah, the detached ones.

3107
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:42,639
See, it'll all be retrofitted to

3108
02:03:42,639 --> 02:03:43,119
everyone

3109
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:45,760
>> too that I think if you were to go to

3110
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:47,360
Provo and look in some of their older

3111
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,760
neighborhoods where they have like from

3112
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:50,000
the

3113
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:50,960
>> Oh, good point. Yeah.

3114
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,199
>> over 100 years ago where they had a

3115
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:55,679
detached garage that was just naturally

3116
02:03:55,679 --> 02:03:57,040
part of the

3117
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,440
>> of the house and the design.

3118
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:03,440
>> We don't see that as much in Orm as the

3119
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:04,480
>> I'll check with that's a good

3120
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:06,320
suggestion. Thank you. Anybody who wants

3121
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,599
a tour, I can take you on a tour of

3122
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:12,880
areas that have those and see a bunch.

3123
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:14,800
>> I'd like one, Gary.

3124
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:17,599
>> No, [laughter]

3125
02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:20,320
sounds good to me. Okay. So, we'll go

3126
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:21,440
back and look at those things and we'll

3127
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:22,800
bring it back. Quinn, I'll get those

3128
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,080
numbers for you and we'll check around

3129
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:25,199
with the other cities, too. I didn't

3130
02:04:25,199 --> 02:04:26,400
have a chance to do that yet, but I

3131
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:28,239
remember you asking about it. uh the

3132
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:29,920
ones that I checked with so far, no

3133
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,119
success,

3134
02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:32,320
>> but I'll I'll check with

3135
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:33,920
>> I I just think it will help us

3136
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:35,599
understand the scale of what we're

3137
02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:37,760
dealing with. Um and you know, the

3138
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:39,199
potential impacts of some of these

3139
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:42,400
decisions. I I think we're all sensitive

3140
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,239
to the potential for impacts,

3141
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,239
particularly as Len was mentioning on on

3142
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:47,679
neighbors who don't have any choice

3143
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:50,719
about this. But, uh if it's if it's

3144
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,159
really going to be just a very small

3145
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:54,320
number over time, I think that might

3146
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:57,040
help shape the decisions we make.

3147
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:59,760
Great. Thank you. I'll get that data.

3148
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,880
>> Great. Anything else, council?

3149
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:04,000
>> Thank you.

3150
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:07,599
>> Yes, mayor. Uh, not related to this, but

3151
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:09,840
and up. We told you we'd come back with

3152
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:12,719
some information. Uh, if you remember,

3153
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:14,960
the council looked at an ordinance

3154
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:18,159
dealing with the radius of noticing that

3155
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:22,400
we do. Uh, we do 1,000 ft to go to 2,000

3156
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,480
ft. And the question was, what was that?

3157
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:26,800
wasn't a big deal to quickly run the

3158
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,840
numbers on two projects that uh you just

3159
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,080
recently dealt with. Remember the neater

3160
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:37,280
property and the uh home at home?

3161
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,880
>> Home built. Yeah, home built. Uh the

3162
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:44,080
noticing at 1,000 ft that we did was

3163
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,960
$346.

3164
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,840
If uh we had gone to 2,000 and noticed

3165
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:53,760
it, it would be $850.

3166
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:56,480
And then the property that the city

3167
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:00,800
owns, uh, that reszone at 1,000 ft, the

3168
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,599
cost was $443.

3169
02:06:03,599 --> 02:06:07,760
If we had done 2,000 ft radius, it it

3170
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:10,159
would have been $949.

3171
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:10,320
It's

3172
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:12,080
>> like about $500.

3173
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,040
>> Yeah, it's a little slightly more than

3174
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:16,000
double.

3175
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:17,199
>> Okay.

3176
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:20,320
But the the costs are relatively

3177
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:25,360
uh small and for better noticing and uh

3178
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,679
visibility and transparency for the

3179
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:32,320
community. It I I don't see it terrible.

3180
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,000
>> So 2,000 ft then.

3181
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,079
>> Yeah. And that's that's what we did. So

3182
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:38,239
ju just we told you we'd come back with

3183
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:39,840
those numbers and just

3184
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:40,800
>> I appreciate that.

3185
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,199
>> Let you know.

3186
02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:44,400
>> All right.

3187
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,239
>> Gary, that's great. And I'm I'm

3188
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:47,840
delighted that those are small numbers.

3189
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:51,360
Does that include staff time as well?

3190
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,079
>> Uh on that is posted

3191
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:57,840
>> that's just posted but it doesn't uh

3192
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:01,199
less than an hour. It's not that.

3193
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:02,639
>> Yeah.

3194
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:04,560
>> Having done that part of having that

3195
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:07,040
chapter in my life too being at that pay

3196
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:10,079
grade where I slap bailing labels on.

3197
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:11,679
>> You should see us stuff envelopes

3198
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:13,280
>> and stuff envelope. I'm a good envelope

3199
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:13,840
stuffer.

3200
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:16,159
>> Something to see. We bought a machine.

3201
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:17,760
>> We get AI to do that. What is wrong with

3202
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:19,679
this case?

3203
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:21,760
>> Yeah, we we bought a machine that takes

3204
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:22,800
the

3205
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:26,239
>> the flyer, stuffs it uh folds it and

3206
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:28,079
stuffs it into the envelope and then we

3207
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:29,119
just mail it.

3208
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:33,350
>> You name it the intern. [laughter]

3209
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:39,589
» We we affectionately call it Jared.

3210
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:41,040
The worst the worst part of it of

3211
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:42,560
stuffing the envelopes is actually the

3212
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:43,760
machine is good enough that the worst

3213
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:45,679
part is the putting the little sticker

3214
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:47,840
labels on all the envelopes is the only

3215
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:48,960
thing worse than putting those stickers

3216
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,480
on the envelopes is trying to get

3217
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:54,068
technology to an actual mail merch.

3218
02:07:54,068 --> 02:07:55,920
[laughter]

3219
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:57,599
>> Nobody can make I don't believe it's

3220
02:07:57,599 --> 02:08:00,320
ever been done.

3221
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:00,800
>> Thank you.

3222
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:01,920
>> Grace is the queen of mail.

3223
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,199
>> You want to do that?

3224
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,360
>> Come fix us.

3225
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,040
>> That's right. I just pulled up our 80s

3226
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:10,560
list from our website. There's 859 ADUs.

3227
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,719
>> Oh, you good to Oh, wow. That's

3228
02:08:12,719 --> 02:08:15,119
>> And then in our last business or our

3229
02:08:15,119 --> 02:08:18,560
building permit report for the month of

3230
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:21,760
this is through May out of

3231
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:25,040
20 new single family homes.

3232
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:29,119
Five of them are being built with an ADU

3233
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:30,079
in it.

3234
02:08:30,079 --> 02:08:32,000
>> That means that they applied for an ADU.

3235
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,360
The other one's going to be fitted for

3236
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:34,480
one but not applying.

3237
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:35,199
>> Correct. Yeah,

3238
02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:36,639
>> that means they're building them with

3239
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:39,119
>> they're building with the building

3240
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:43,360
>> uh home builders now design a home so

3241
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,000
that it either has the ADU in it when

3242
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:49,840
they build it or it can very easily be

3243
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:50,719
converted.

3244
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,480
>> So that's what's happening behind me.

3245
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,079
All six of them have the basement

3246
02:08:54,079 --> 02:08:56,239
entrance, but they haven't put in the

3247
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:58,159
dividing door,

3248
02:08:58,159 --> 02:08:59,679
>> right? So,

3249
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:00,639
>> and that's easy.

3250
02:09:00,639 --> 02:09:02,639
>> The space and then if they want to,

3251
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:04,000
they're going to put that door and then

3252
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,480
you have two spaces.

3253
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:07,440
>> All right. Thank you.

3254
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:08,639
>> Thanks.

3255
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:11,360
>> Um, quickly go through our this

3256
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:18,560
evening's agenda. We've got several items under uh mayor's items

3257
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:20,000
you've heard by council. We have a

3258
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:23,440
presentation on national night out

3259
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:27,440
and then we speech. That's the only one.

3260
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,000
and then personal appearances. And then

3261
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:32,400
we have a consent items which is uh for

3262
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:34,400
approval of the meeting minutes and then

3263
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:36,800
the appointment of Brian Wait to the

3264
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:38,639
advance advisory commission.

3265
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:40,560
>> He will probably be here this evening.

3266
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,520
We could maybe acknowledge him stand or

3267
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:43,920
something.

3268
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:44,880
>> Okay.

3269
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,040
>> Then we have a scheduled public hearing.

3270
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:51,280
It's uh reszone that was before us a

3271
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:54,079
little while back and we and the

3272
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:55,920
applicant asked if they could come back

3273
02:09:55,920 --> 02:10:00,800
and put a road with Geneva Road if you

3274
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:03,599
remember that. Um I do have a question

3275
02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:06,159
about this that I'd rather ask you to

3276
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:08,639
hear than to take up time out there for

3277
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:09,119
Jared.

3278
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,040
>> I'm right back here. Sorry.

3279
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:14,960
>> Okay. Um, I've been looking at the PRD

3280
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:16,480
ordinance

3281
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:20,159
and the PRD ordinance requires certain

3282
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:22,800
building materials and different front

3283
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:23,599
elevations.

3284
02:10:23,599 --> 02:10:23,920
>> Yeah.

3285
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:25,840
>> Is that still with the within what the

3286
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:27,360
state law allows?

3287
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:29,520
>> PRDs are exempt from that state.

3288
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:29,760
>> Okay.

3289
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,760
>> And a PRD when they're signing up for

3290
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:33,760
it, you can make them do whatever.

3291
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,840
>> Okay. That was my question. I just

3292
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:36,960
wanted to make sure that

3293
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:37,840
>> Good question

3294
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:40,719
>> that. So, it looks like they still need

3295
02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:42,960
>> they need 60 40% on the backside. They

3296
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:43,840
haven't shown that right.

3297
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,239
>> They haven't shown that correctly. So,

3298
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:48,719
they'll put something on there. Okay.

3299
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:49,119
>> All right. I'm

3300
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:50,320
>> so proud of them for getting over the

3301
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:52,000
road hurdle that I didn't want to hassle

3302
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,679
too much about the 40% of the backside.

3303
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:54,159
So,

3304
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:56,000
>> yeah, that one I have a question on

3305
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:56,320
that.

3306
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:57,679
>> Okay. And probably here's a good place

3307
02:10:57,679 --> 02:10:59,360
to

3308
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,000
>> um masonry fence

3309
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,560
>> between the commercial residential. I

3310
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,000
was aware of that. I didn't really see

3311
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:07,679
that mentioned. Yeah, that that would be

3312
02:11:07,679 --> 02:11:09,599
part of it. It's it's it's got to be

3313
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:11,760
part of the plan that they do. We'll get

3314
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:13,280
that in the site plan. It didn't show on

3315
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:14,880
this on the concept plan very well, but

3316
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:15,360
we do.

3317
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:17,280
>> Great. And then do we we don't require

3318
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:18,639
CCN?

3319
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:21,040
>> We don't except that because the PRD

3320
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,199
will have the shared lot lines. They'll

3321
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:24,400
have the shared they'll have the zero

3322
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:25,679
lot lines and they'll have the shared

3323
02:11:25,679 --> 02:11:27,520
parking. They'll have to have one anyway

3324
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:28,639
because they're going to share property

3325
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:30,159
for the parking.

3326
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:31,440
>> They'll have to have an HOA governor at

3327
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:32,719
least that.

3328
02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:34,560
>> Oh, yeah. Yep. So, they need to know

3329
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:35,920
that. require it, but they'll that's

3330
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:36,800
their

3331
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,079
>> and they'll be told that.

3332
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:38,639
>> Oh, yeah.

3333
02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:40,800
>> I had that conversation there.

3334
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,639
>> Well, that's not surprising that they'd

3335
02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:44,800
understand that.

3336
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,119
>> Um, and then my other Oh, here's Okay,

3337
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:50,239
so we had appendix KK that was Farm

3338
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:50,800
Haven.

3339
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:52,560
>> Well, appendix KK is actually a whole

3340
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:55,520
bunch of this all of Appendix KK

3341
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:57,840
contains all of the PRD site concept

3342
02:11:57,840 --> 02:11:58,159
plans.

3343
02:11:58,159 --> 02:11:59,920
>> Oh, okay. So, I guess my question is, do

3344
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:01,760
you are you keeping the Farm Haven

3345
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:03,360
iteration in there and we're showing

3346
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:04,480
that it was replaced?

3347
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,520
>> Yeah, exit out and

3348
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,760
>> they'll both be there.

3349
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:11,280
>> Be there, but the one Farm Haven should

3350
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:12,960
be xed out because not it won't be in

3351
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:14,159
effect after tonight.

3352
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:15,280
>> But if someone wants to go back and

3353
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:17,920
reference it, they can go see

3354
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:18,719
our

3355
02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:20,560
>> I had that question. Um,

3356
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,199
>> okay, last question on our visitor

3357
02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:24,960
parking.

3358
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,719
You said we're within

3359
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:29,440
>> Yeah. 2.5 is required there. Seven

3360
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:31,520
>> because I noticed from Wester from Farm

3361
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:33,599
Haven to Westerly Way, they reduced it

3362
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:34,560
by half.

3363
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,320
>> The parking

3364
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:37,520
>> from the uh Yeah,

3365
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:39,280
>> the percent the density is the same, but

3366
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:41,280
the parking's

3367
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,520
>> I I didn't analyze the parking. So,

3368
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:45,119
>> they So, they were just adding more it

3369
02:12:45,119 --> 02:12:47,679
sounds like on Farm Haven. Okay. So, but

3370
02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:48,719
we're good on all of that.

3371
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:50,320
>> It does meet the code requirement for

3372
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:51,360
the 2.5. Yeah,

3373
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:53,679
>> we're good. Thank you. Any other

3374
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:58,159
questions on this item here?

3375
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:00,000
Any other questions on anything that's

3376
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,480
on the agenda?

3377
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:04,239
>> We do not have a closed meeting. Well,

3378
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:15,270
we do have a closed meeting.

3379
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:22,149
» Right. We got 15.

3380
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:23,840
I think well that wraps up the work

3381
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:27,360
session then we'll see you all in the in

3382
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,800
the regular meeting

3383
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:32,800
to it. Thanks everyone.

3384
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,000
>> Have a motion to adjurnn.

3385
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,679
>> Oh motion to adjurnn.

3386
02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:37,040
>> Have a motion to adjurnn. Is there a

3387
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:38,480
second?

3388
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:40,960
>> Right. All those in favor say.

3389
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:42,000
>> I

3390
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,797
>> thank you.

3391
02:13:45,807 --> 02:13:48,069
[clears throat]

3392
02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:49,679
We do need to make sure that we have at

3393
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:51,119
least one person online. So, we have a

3394
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,679
form.

3395
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:57,669
>> I said I

3396
02:13:57,679 --> 02:14:04,137
>> And I said I

3397
02:14:04,147 --> 02:14:04,159
[clears throat]

3398
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:08,629
>> may as well.

3399
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:17,350
I should

3400
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:26,709
» talk

3401
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:31,189
about

3402
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:38,229
weird thing.

3403
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:39,840
Hey,

3404
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,960
>> recording's off.

3405
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:46,159
I got to move in.

3406
02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:47,920
>> So, it's not recording in here.

3407
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:49,360
>> I got to move it over.

3408
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:59,030
>> Give me a job.

3409
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,599
» You know what? I think

3410
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:03,520
about

3411
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:05,360
anything, but that was a community

3412
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,360
action.

3413
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,800
I had flashes of it was never all fun

3414
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,719
because of the responsibilities I had.

3415
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:13,679
>> Yeah. I mean,

3416
02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:15,840
>> see, I don't have

3417
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:19,360
>> responsibilities now.

3418
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:33,910
As far as a CEO or something,

3419
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:56,790
that's right.

3420
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:06,870
Shel

3421
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:17,030
30 seconds.

3422
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:20,550
I just

3423
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:39,270
need to hear

3424
02:16:39,280 --> 02:17:24,870
test test.

3425
02:17:24,880 --> 02:18:05,270
Want to know what you think?

3426
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:18,230
Feels

3427
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,760
too tight here.

3428
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:24,960
>> When we have three chairs,

3429
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:29,910
>> sometimes we need to go

3430
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,679
chairs be.

3431
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:36,790
>> No, no. after

3432
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:39,760
» you can't really stick it there for ALJ.

3433
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:40,960
I just stick it under there because

3434
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:42,479
nobody

3435
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:59,190
sits there.

3436
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:35,110
You want me to roll it out?

3437
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:44,389
Hey, could I try it?

3438
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:48,549
Are you on Zoom right now?

3439
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:59,910
YouTube start off.

3440
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:15,990
Um well

3441
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:22,070
Wait, I'm getting serious.

3442
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:28,309
» Oh, sorry.

3443
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:30,399
» It's just my laptop and it's not coming

3444
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:36,070
through the speakers.

3445
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:51,510
» Maybe I could change my speakers.

3446
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:59,110
Let me try this.

3447
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:00,800
» No, you don't get anything if it's on

3448
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:02,560
press.

3449
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:10,710
>> Wait, am I on display?

3450
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:12,640
magazine.

3451
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:48,230
I don't think it works.

3452
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:49,120
How are you?

3453
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:56,870
>> What time are we at?

3454
02:21:56,880 --> 02:22:00,319
» Can you hear me? Okay. Just testing.

3455
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:02,240
>> Yeah, we got you.

3456
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:48,710
Thank you, counselor. I'll put it back.

3457
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:50,880
All right, put me back on. We're going

3458
02:22:50,880 --> 02:23:08,550
to try it again.

3459
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:14,230
Keep it planting.

3460
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:25,990
Sorry.

3461
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:27,680
We're watching Taking My Son to Japanese

3462
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:28,399
Daycare.

3463
02:23:28,399 --> 02:23:34,469
>> Yes.

3464
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:50,070
» And right now it's not

3465
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:57,110
All

3466
02:23:57,120 --> 02:24:15,030
right.

3467
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:31,349
Yes.

3468
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:41,030
Yeah,

3469
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:43,359
» he keeps trying to run away.

3470
02:24:43,359 --> 02:24:45,439
>> Just uh meeting with them was really

3471
02:24:45,439 --> 02:25:02,790
nice.

3472
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:25,670
I think they're there.

3473
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:28,479
Yes. So prayer.

3474
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:29,920
Where do you want us?

3475
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:48,230
>> You just come up here. Come night.

3476
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,200
Let me see.

3477
02:25:51,200 --> 02:26:06,070
Started

3478
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:15,830
simple sentence

3479
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:39,030
already.

3480
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:50,150
I don't think

3481
02:26:50,160 --> 02:27:06,790
Hey,

3482
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:49,510
give me a second.

3483
02:27:49,520 --> 02:28:00,550
Come on little buddy.

3484
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:02,319
» All right. Good evening. I'd like to

3485
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:04,399
welcome you to this evening's ORM city

3486
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:07,120
council meeting. Tonight is um it's

3487
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:09,200
still July 28th as it was this morning,

3488
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,760
2026. I'm going to call the meeting to

3489
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:14,640
order. I want to acknowledge that

3490
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:18,000
council members Kilpac, Mulestein, and

3491
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:22,319
Mikum are joining us electronically and

3492
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,640
so we do have everybody here this

3493
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:27,520
evening. Um we go ahead and have the

3494
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:29,280
invocation and in or inspirational

3495
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:32,160
thought by Mark McCumber and pledge of

3496
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:40,950
allegiance by Kim McComber.

3497
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:42,720
Our father in heaven, we are grateful

3498
02:28:42,720 --> 02:28:44,800
for the great blessing that we have to

3499
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:46,800
live in this favored land. We are

3500
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:48,560
grateful to celebrate this year the

3501
02:28:48,560 --> 02:28:51,520
250th anniversary of our founding. We

3502
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,399
are grateful uh to thee for raising up

3503
02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:57,280
our founding fathers. You establish

3504
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,600
liberty and freedom here. We pray that

3505
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,479
bless us in our efforts to keep this

3506
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:05,120
republic and to and keep our freedoms

3507
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,520
and make the future bright for the next

3508
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:10,160
generation. We are grateful to celebrate

3509
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:12,479
this month as well the pioneers who came

3510
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:15,600
and sacrificed and and built a wonderful

3511
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:18,000
society that we benefit from. We are

3512
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:20,000
grateful for those who have served uh

3513
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:22,560
the city of ORM and those who serve now

3514
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:24,240
and pray that thou would bless them in

3515
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:26,319
their deliberations. And we pray in the

3516
02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:27,840
name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

3517
02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:36,950
>> Amen.

3518
02:29:36,960 --> 02:29:40,080
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

3519
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:42,960
United States of America and to the

3520
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:46,560
republic for which it stands, one nation

3521
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:50,080
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

3522
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:55,830
justice for all.

3523
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:59,760
» Thank you for the um invocation and for

3524
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:01,520
the leading us in the pledge. Appreciate

3525
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:02,424
it.

3526
02:30:02,424 --> 02:30:02,800
>> [gasps]

3527
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:05,698
>> All right, council. We have one

3528
02:30:05,698 --> 02:30:06,800
[clears throat] item under mayor's

3529
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:09,120
report and items referred by the council

3530
02:30:09,120 --> 02:30:12,160
and it's a presentation on National

3531
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,800
Night Out. Our presenters will be

3532
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:18,560
Lieutenant Blake Fan and Cameron Wilson.

3533
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:34,550
So turn the time over to them.

3534
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:36,319
us back.

3535
02:30:36,319 --> 02:30:39,120
There we go. Thanks for having us back.

3536
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:42,160
I still don't like speaking in public.

3537
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:45,439
>> I was very excited. Um we're just here

3538
02:30:45,439 --> 02:30:47,280
to give you a little presentation and a

3539
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:49,359
formal invitation to our National Night

3540
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:51,280
Out event.

3541
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:51,920
Go ahead.

3542
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:53,920
>> So, yeah, National Night Out, as you can

3543
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,160
see up there, it it the purpose is to

3544
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:57,680
enhance the relationship between the

3545
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:59,280
community and law enforcement. It's a

3546
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,600
chance for us to to get together and

3547
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:04,640
have fun with uh with the public and let

3548
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:06,720
them interact with us, us interact with

3549
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:10,720
them and just have that that rapport,

3550
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:13,200
that that fun time.

3551
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:15,439
>> It happens all around the country on the

3552
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:17,680
first Tuesday in August. ORM does it

3553
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:19,280
better than anyone else.

3554
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:20,880
>> We're biased, of course.

3555
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:22,640
>> We're heavily biased, but we're right,

3556
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:24,479
so it doesn't matter. Um, this is also

3557
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:26,000
our formal apology to the parks

3558
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:27,760
department for ruining your grass last

3559
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:29,520
year. It won't happen again.

3560
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:31,920
>> Yeah, there's no no foam gun machine.

3561
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:33,760
>> Our fun little foam machine. We thought

3562
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,399
it was great. They had to resaw and we

3563
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,640
had no idea. So, like not happening

3564
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:39,520
again, I promise.

3565
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:41,520
>> Yeah, we killed the grass for sure.

3566
02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:45,760
>> Um, it's next Tuesday, August 4th, from

3567
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:47,439
5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. in the city

3568
02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:50,479
center park. So, you see, look, look how

3569
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:52,000
happy Blake was right there in his

3570
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:54,640
element, just having fun.

3571
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:57,600
>> Super fun. So, yeah, some of the some of

3572
02:31:57,600 --> 02:31:59,200
the stuff we have planned. Again, we're

3573
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:01,040
going to have a dunk tank. Uh we've got

3574
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:04,080
the swap vehicles, food trucks, uh

3575
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:05,680
fingerprinting.

3576
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:07,600
We have a helicopter. Is it a Blackhawk?

3577
02:32:07,600 --> 02:32:10,000
It is a Blackhawk this year. Okay. Uh

3578
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:11,280
we're going to have the drunk goggles,

3579
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:13,359
the K9 team will be there. We are going

3580
02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:16,240
to crush cars again. Uh face paint, nine

3581
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:19,200
square, all that stuff up there and much

3582
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,560
more. We do have a bunch of other

3583
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,240
community partners that will be there as

3584
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:25,280
well with booths um handing out stuff

3585
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:27,359
and and interacting with the public as

3586
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:27,920
well.

3587
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:29,760
>> Yeah, you can come dunk an officer. I

3588
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:31,439
love that picture. Lieutenant Giles's

3589
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:32,800
face is just

3590
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:34,800
>> I did that last year and if it's over

3591
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:36,560
100° like it's been, I will be getting

3592
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:38,000
in there again.

3593
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:39,280
>> A couple years ago, they complained

3594
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:40,720
because the water was too cold. So, the

3595
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:42,720
fire department's coming early so the

3596
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:44,160
water can heat up with the sun. So

3597
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:46,160
they'll have a nice

3598
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:48,080
I've done it I've done a dog tank before

3599
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,439
and no it was bracing. It's there's

3600
02:32:51,439 --> 02:32:53,200
nothing like that little tiny seat just

3601
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:54,560
go

3602
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:56,399
>> and you're you're toast. It's fun. It's

3603
02:32:56,399 --> 02:32:57,120
refreshing.

3604
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:59,280
>> It's very refreshing. [laughter]

3605
02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:00,880
>> Um we have some awesome community

3606
02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:02,319
partner booths coming this year. We have

3607
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:03,840
a very supportive community. They love

3608
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:05,760
to be involved with things like this. Um

3609
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:07,760
it's a pretty stacked list. They're all

3610
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:09,680
going to do their own activities and

3611
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:12,160
just get out there with the public. And

3612
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:13,680
because ours is the best, we have a

3613
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:15,280
bunch of outside agencies that choose to

3614
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:16,800
come to ours instead of neighboring

3615
02:33:16,800 --> 02:33:20,000
cities. So we've got highway safety,

3616
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:22,800
UVU, BYU, UTA, National Guard, and the

3617
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:24,640
Department of Commerce also coming this

3618
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:26,399
year for us. So

3619
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:28,319
>> absolutely. And you can see the list of

3620
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:30,399
community partners. And that's not all

3621
02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:32,880
of them. I think we ended up with 26 25

3622
02:33:32,880 --> 02:33:34,880
or 26 that that committed.

3623
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:36,800
>> And so this is everyone's official

3624
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:39,920
invitation August 4th. And it seems like

3625
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,760
there's some fun little giveaways that

3626
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:43,760
these partners have.

3627
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:45,600
>> Yes, they all bring Nintendo. The guy

3628
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:46,880
for Nintendo was like, I'm going to set

3629
02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:48,240
up some gaming consoles. We're going to

3630
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:50,399
give away this and they're so excited.

3631
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:51,760
So, we've got some really stellar

3632
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:53,359
community partners that

3633
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:54,880
>> love to be there and support. So, it'll

3634
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:55,680
be a good time.

3635
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:56,319
>> It'll be a good time.

3636
02:33:56,319 --> 02:33:57,359
>> Do you guys have any questions or

3637
02:33:57,359 --> 02:33:58,240
anything you need from us?

3638
02:33:58,240 --> 02:34:00,240
>> Oh, it's a great event. I've been

3639
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,800
attending last year and I'll be there

3640
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:03,760
this year.

3641
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:07,120
>> I do have one ask. Um, I'm wondering if

3642
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:10,560
you could um reach out to Wasatch Mental

3643
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:13,680
Health that has um counselors in some of

3644
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:14,720
our schools.

3645
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:16,560
>> I had was in a meeting with the new

3646
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,160
school district and there were some

3647
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:21,920
counselors there that um would h had

3648
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:24,160
some of their um students that were

3649
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:26,399
afraid of the our police were typically

3650
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:29,200
afraid of the police the uniform. So, I

3651
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:31,359
don't know if we could maybe invite

3652
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:36,560
them, you know, to um come and see our

3653
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:38,399
officers in this great environment. You

3654
02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:40,000
guys are always very friendly, very

3655
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:41,840
kind, very fun,

3656
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:43,680
>> so they can play volleyball with y'all

3657
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:44,800
and

3658
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,720
>> get you get you in the dunk. So, that

3659
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:47,840
would be maybe an ask.

3660
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:49,280
>> We touched base a couple weeks ago at

3661
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:50,720
the reading with police event that we

3662
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:52,960
did and Wasatch Behavioral is coming and

3663
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:54,720
setting up a booth and has sent it out

3664
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:57,040
to their clinicians to invite their

3665
02:34:57,040 --> 02:34:58,080
folks to come. You're already on top of

3666
02:34:58,080 --> 02:34:58,240
that.

3667
02:34:58,240 --> 02:34:59,600
>> I was going to say we chatted about it.

3668
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:01,359
I The little behavioral health

3669
02:35:01,359 --> 02:35:03,680
specialist in me was so excited to merge

3670
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:05,280
those two worlds. So, it was a great

3671
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:05,760
idea.

3672
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:07,760
>> Perfect. Thank you for doing that.

3673
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:10,479
>> No problem. Anything else?

3674
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:12,479
>> Anything else, council? Anything else?

3675
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:16,479
Those on online or virtually?

3676
02:35:16,479 --> 02:35:18,560
>> Guess not. Thank you. We'll see you next

3677
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:22,150
Tuesday.

3678
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:24,000
» Right. The next item on the agenda is

3679
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,520
our personal time for personal

3680
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:28,479
appearances. Um time has been set aside

3681
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:30,399
for the public to express their ideas,

3682
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:32,880
concerns, and comments on items not

3683
02:35:32,880 --> 02:35:34,640
scheduled as public hearings on the

3684
02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:37,040
agenda. Those wishing to speak are

3685
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:39,280
encouraged to show respect for those who

3686
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:42,000
serve the city. Comments should focus on

3687
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:44,720
issues concerning the city. And those

3688
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:47,520
wishing to speak have signed up already.

3689
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:50,800
And I have this I have the list here.

3690
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:57,760
And so we'll go ahead and and start with the public comments. Um the first

3691
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:00,880
um is Chris Hammond and after Miss

3692
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:05,590
Hammond, Renie Reeves.

3693
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:07,200
Welcome and and thank you for your

3694
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:08,319
email. I want to let you know I got you

3695
02:36:08,319 --> 02:36:12,240
I received your email. Thank you.

3696
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,479
Um I want to take a little bit of a

3697
02:36:14,479 --> 02:36:17,280
different take tonight. I am grateful to

3698
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,200
live in America where we have freedom of

3699
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,600
speech. we have the opportunity to do

3700
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:24,960
what we're doing here tonight. And I

3701
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:26,800
just wanted to give a little bit of

3702
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:30,000
background. In my 40s, I was left with

3703
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:32,800
four children to raise on my own. And my

3704
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:34,960
father encouraged me to invest in real

3705
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:37,280
estate. And that is what I have done.

3706
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:39,520
And as I've looked at what we're doing

3707
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:41,840
and how things are moving along, I want

3708
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:44,720
to express the fact that the police

3709
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:46,800
department is trying to build bridges

3710
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:49,520
and I'm concerned that we're making

3711
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:52,160
walls in the neighborhoods by saying

3712
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:55,040
that things are not right and you can't

3713
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:58,479
do this at your property. And uh I I

3714
02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:00,160
just want to deal with things that are

3715
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:02,640
true. So some of the comments have been

3716
02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:05,200
we have short-term rentals so we can't

3717
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:07,359
have kids in school. Well, there is

3718
02:37:07,359 --> 02:37:09,280
nothing. There's no correlation between

3719
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:11,359
that. The reason that we're decreasing

3720
02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:13,680
the number of kids in school is because

3721
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:15,520
my grandkids don't want to have kids.

3722
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:17,359
They don't want to spend the money. They

3723
02:37:17,359 --> 02:37:19,520
don't see this as a thing to do. And

3724
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:21,760
it's not just here in Utah. It's across

3725
02:37:21,760 --> 02:37:25,439
the nation. Um I as a real estate agent

3726
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:28,240
will look and say affordability, which

3727
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:29,920
we talk about all the time. We can't

3728
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:32,319
afford it. Can't do this. And so I

3729
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:34,960
recommend that someone build a home and

3730
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:36,880
have an apartment so they can afford to

3731
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:39,120
be there whether it's a young family or

3732
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,120
whether it's a senior citizen that

3733
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:42,960
that's the way you can stay in a home.

3734
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:44,880
That's the way you can have property.

3735
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,720
And I think we need to look at what are

3736
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,120
the critical issues and the legal

3737
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:51,439
things. We have personal property rights

3738
02:37:51,439 --> 02:37:53,120
and we want to look at those. And the

3739
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:55,920
constitution says we are as a government

3740
02:37:55,920 --> 02:37:57,600
supposed to protect the people. we're

3741
02:37:57,600 --> 02:38:00,000
not supposed to oversee them and tell

3742
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,680
them how to do things. And I hope that

3743
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:05,760
we'll consider that. Um, it is important

3744
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:09,040
that we look at the consequences of

3745
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:11,120
making false statements. And I don't

3746
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,359
think anything has been said about

3747
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:15,680
people coming forward and saying that

3748
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:18,319
kid was in my neighborhood and and they

3749
02:38:18,319 --> 02:38:20,000
came across my fence and we're in my

3750
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:22,000
driveway to get their ball and so that's

3751
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:23,920
offensive and I'm going to call the cops

3752
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:26,640
on them. And there we've got to do

3753
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:29,120
something to say you can't falsely

3754
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:31,280
report an infringement on someone's

3755
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:33,520
rights and have no consequence for that

3756
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:35,359
and do multiple multiple where the

3757
02:38:35,359 --> 02:38:36,640
police are being called and there's

3758
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:39,120
nothing to stand up for that. There is

3759
02:38:39,120 --> 02:38:40,960
no correlation between short-term

3760
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:43,920
rentals and housing availability.

3761
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:47,520
185 homes in ORM are available. Over up

3762
02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:50,720
to 600 rentals are available. Having the

3763
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:52,720
30 or 40 short-term rentals that are

3764
02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:55,200
standalone homes on the market is not

3765
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:57,040
going to change that and not change any

3766
02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:59,120
of those kinds of things. I can go on

3767
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:00,960
and on. You guys have received my

3768
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:02,720
emails.

3769
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,479
I hope that we can come to something

3770
02:39:04,479 --> 02:39:06,720
where we build bridges and we have

3771
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:09,040
neighbors that enjoy each other and can

3772
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:12,160
come to some kind of a compromise on how

3773
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,080
we deal with our neighborhood. Thank

3774
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:14,800
you.

3775
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:15,280
>> All right.

3776
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:16,960
>> So, can I ask Chris, are you sending

3777
02:39:16,960 --> 02:39:17,920
your emails to me?

3778
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:18,720
>> No.

3779
02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:21,680
>> You're not? No.

3780
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,800
>> All right. Thank you. All right. Uh,

3781
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:27,359
Miss Reeves, you're up. And then after

3782
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:31,040
you, um, Keith Walker.

3783
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:32,960
>> Hi, my name is Renie Reeves and I live

3784
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:35,760
in South Thorum, just off of 2000 South.

3785
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,680
About a year ago, I came to a city

3786
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:39,120
council meeting and expressed concern

3787
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:41,520
about crossing 2000 South. Since then,

3788
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:43,359
you guys have put in time and effort and

3789
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:45,200
getting a crosswalk installed. My

3790
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,520
neighbors and I feel a lot safer. cars

3791
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:48,960
stop if they see us waiting, which

3792
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:50,800
didn't happen before. My neighbors have

3793
02:39:50,800 --> 02:39:53,200
told me often how grateful they are. I

3794
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:54,560
wanted to come to this meeting to tell

3795
02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:56,319
you thank you for listening and taking

3796
02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:58,560
action. It's made a big difference to my

3797
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:01,200
neighbors and I thank you guys so much.

3798
02:40:01,200 --> 02:40:03,120
>> Thank you. Yes,

3799
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:05,680
>> Remy, you have grown like a foot since

3800
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:08,000
last year. I'm so happy. I just want to

3801
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:09,200
for those of you who are new on the

3802
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:11,840
council, she got a petition in her

3803
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:13,600
neighborhood. She brought it very

3804
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:15,359
professionally and presented that to the

3805
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:17,680
city council. and you are just an

3806
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,760
example for all of our residents to come

3807
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,120
and advocate. So, thank you.

3808
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:22,800
>> Thank you so much.

3809
02:40:22,800 --> 02:40:25,600
>> Thank you. Up next is U. Mr. Keith

3810
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:30,870
Walker and after him, Katie.

3811
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:32,880
» Thank you, Mayor and City Council for

3812
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:35,359
letting me address you in this evening.

3813
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:37,520
I will touch base on several items or

3814
02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:39,840
issues that are all inter intertwined

3815
02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:42,880
and need your be addressed by you to

3816
02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:45,520
keep Orm City, the family city USA to be

3817
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:48,000
proud of. The city is currently paving

3818
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:49,920
streets in North Orum, which we are very

3819
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:52,399
grateful for at a great cost to the

3820
02:40:52,399 --> 02:40:55,200
city. The issue is traders parked along

3821
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:57,840
the street that are not been moved, that

3822
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:00,080
have been there for 5 months or longer,

3823
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:02,000
that have been paved around and leaving

3824
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:04,560
an incomplete and a poorl looking job. I

3825
02:41:04,560 --> 02:41:06,399
have a car parked across the street from

3826
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:08,240
me now that's not been moved for 3

3827
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:10,560
months. My best guess it will not be

3828
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:13,200
moved unless we call somebody to tow it.

3829
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:15,200
Uh but we'll address that, but it'll be

3830
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:17,359
paved around probably again at sometime

3831
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:20,479
later this week. Uh the underlying issue

3832
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:23,200
in this issue and some of it is in a

3833
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:25,200
twob block area that I live in by four

3834
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:27,680
blocks long. the area of six square

3835
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:31,280
blocks. I have three sober living

3836
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:35,439
uh rehab homes, one Airbnb, 11 houses

3837
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:37,600
with apartments not legal in the city,

3838
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:40,800
renting rooms in houses and basement, no

3839
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:42,640
private entrances, no kitchen, just

3840
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:44,479
renting rooms.

3841
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,560
Uh the neighbors, I have a neighbor that

3842
02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:48,240
has seven cars at the home all the time.

3843
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:49,760
They're decent neighbors, but it's

3844
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:51,760
obvious they're not just a family with

3845
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:55,840
seven cars. Uh the question is what are

3846
02:41:55,840 --> 02:41:57,840
we going to do about these issues that

3847
02:41:57,840 --> 02:41:59,359
are destroying the appearance and

3848
02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:01,680
backbone of the city of ORM and the

3849
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:04,800
family city USA. I also have another

3850
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:06,960
kind of a pet peeve in my back for years

3851
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:09,920
and years. I have the duplexes and

3852
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:13,680
forplexes in ORM city or with these

3853
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:15,920
other things are mentioned are an issue.

3854
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:18,240
Uh, I have

3855
02:42:18,240 --> 02:42:20,880
family members that involved in these

3856
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:22,399
and I have a n I'm going to share

3857
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:25,600
something. I have a 92-year-old dad

3858
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:28,319
that will not let me help him with his

3859
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:30,479
apartment half the time because of his

3860
02:42:30,479 --> 02:42:32,479
stubbornness and want to do it himself.

3861
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:34,960
But the issue I have is these forplexes

3862
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:37,280
and duplexes are all over the city.

3863
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:40,399
They're incomeroucing properties within

3864
02:42:40,399 --> 02:42:42,800
the city. The city should require these

3865
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:46,640
properties to be which allows many

3866
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,720
families to be taken care of by their

3867
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:51,359
landlords. Not just called

3868
02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:54,160
on to rent and gain income from with no

3869
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:57,040
obligation to their tenants. No lawns,

3870
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:59,040
just wheat patches, junkyards, junk

3871
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:00,800
areas. And I know some of this is the

3872
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:03,120
tenants that they have to deal with. All

3873
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:06,560
of the items concern, all of the items

3874
02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:09,200
committed on this evening, comment on

3875
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:10,720
this evening, are incomeroucing

3876
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:14,399
properties or businesses.

3877
02:43:14,399 --> 02:43:16,960
in one way or another. Their owner their

3878
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:18,479
owners are only care about their

3879
02:43:18,479 --> 02:43:20,880
dollars. No return on investment to the

3880
02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:23,600
city or no return to the community. The

3881
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,200
families are forced to live in

3882
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:27,040
conditions that are not the best and

3883
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:29,439
some of its attendance problems. I

3884
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:31,200
encourage you to be careful what you do

3885
02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:32,880
over the next several weeks. These

3886
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:35,520
businesses in the city generally become

3887
02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:37,920
a big eyesore to the to the future of

3888
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:43,040
the city that everyone is is uh

3889
02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:45,120
preaching for better housing options

3890
02:43:45,120 --> 02:43:47,359
because long-term they are not. And

3891
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:50,399
there's areas in the cities and Provo

3892
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:52,560
Vineyard American Fork that you can go

3893
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:55,359
find with housing and cars and stuff all

3894
02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:57,359
over that you can't get around and I

3895
02:43:57,359 --> 02:43:58,800
just encourage you to be careful what

3896
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:00,399
you do over the next few months. Thank

3897
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:00,640
you.

3898
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,120
>> Thank you, Mr. Walker, would it be okay

3899
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:04,800
if we had one of the staff members

3900
02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:06,640
contact you about your concerns

3901
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:07,439
specifically with

3902
02:44:07,439 --> 02:44:08,800
>> I would like to do something to try to

3903
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:10,560
help some of that without, you know, we

3904
02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:12,240
try to be decent neighbors, but we don't

3905
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:14,000
want to complain about some of the

3906
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:15,760
issues, but we would like to try to help

3907
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:16,640
some of it. Thank you.

3908
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,600
>> Okay. Uh, Mr. By, would you that Thank

3909
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,279
you.

3910
02:44:21,279 --> 02:44:24,240
>> All right. Katie is up and after Katie

3911
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:28,344
is I think it's John.

3912
02:44:28,344 --> 02:44:35,269
[laughter] So, welcome

3913
02:44:35,279 --> 02:44:37,520
So, my name is Katie and I just wanted

3914
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:40,479
to address the short-term um rental

3915
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:41,359
issue as well.

3916
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:42,479
>> What's your last name, Katie?

3917
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:43,200
>> It's Brooks.

3918
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:43,840
>> Brooks.

3919
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:52,950
>> Yep. Mhm. Um so, [sighs and gasps]

3920
02:44:52,960 --> 02:44:55,359
I'm going to take a more personal take

3921
02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:57,359
on it, and I hope you guys will forgive

3922
02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:00,950
me.

3923
02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:03,120
Two years ago, we had to evacuate our

3924
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:07,279
home um because we had a high velocity

3925
02:45:07,279 --> 02:45:10,479
rainstorm that hit the back of our house

3926
02:45:10,479 --> 02:45:15,840
and um it was mitigated improperly. So,

3927
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:19,040
it wasn't um the mitigation area, it

3928
02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:20,880
wasn't sealed off properly, so it ended

3929
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:23,520
up spreading moler account throughout

3930
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:26,880
our whole entire home. I have asthma and

3931
02:45:26,880 --> 02:45:32,240
um mass cell and my son does as well.

3932
02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:35,840
After they had um

3933
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:40,720
uh taken all the levels, it was twice the level of what was considered

3934
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:43,359
high and we were asked to evacuate our

3935
02:45:43,359 --> 02:45:44,880
homes.

3936
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:47,600
I on a very practical note, natural

3937
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:49,600
disasters happen to all of us, right? So

3938
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:51,520
what I'm asking you guys to do is just

3939
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:53,359
look at everything on a very practical

3940
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:56,000
note. We ended up moving 10 times in 7

3941
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:57,920
months as we kept waiting for the

3942
02:45:57,920 --> 02:46:00,479
insurance company to

3943
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:03,600
um hopefully get involved.

3944
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:06,240
Having local Airbnbs

3945
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:09,520
provided um to keep the community we

3946
02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:12,640
have three children. I had I had a they

3947
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:15,840
were 11, 12, and 13 at the time. And by

3948
02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:19,680
having Airbnbs in the community, we were

3949
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:21,439
able to keep our kids at their local

3950
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,680
school. We didn't have to move up to

3951
02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:25,120
Salt Lake while we were doing the

3952
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:27,359
mitigation and the rebuild. Everything's

3953
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:29,439
done now. Like literally, it's taken us

3954
02:46:29,439 --> 02:46:31,040
2 years. We just finished our kitchen

3955
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,640
this last week. But I just want you guys

3956
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:38,319
to take a closer look cuz I even my um

3957
02:46:38,319 --> 02:46:39,920
son, he has a couple of friends where

3958
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:44,479
they also had to move for um several

3959
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:47,279
months out of their home too. And by

3960
02:46:47,279 --> 02:46:49,760
getting rid of all the Airbnbs, you are

3961
02:46:49,760 --> 02:46:54,319
taking away access to actually local or

3962
02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:57,120
residents that need to be able to access

3963
02:46:57,120 --> 02:46:58,560
the schools that need to be able to

3964
02:46:58,560 --> 02:47:02,640
access the help. Um my son has mass cell

3965
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:06,160
like he in his 504 plan like he has to

3966
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:09,520
have um an air filter system in every

3967
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,040
single room because when he has a

3968
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:14,000
reaction it can last up to 72 hours. So

3969
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:16,560
basically what mass cell is is is you

3970
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:19,120
have um too much of a histamine response

3971
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:20,880
and your body has a hard time breaking

3972
02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:24,479
it down. [gasps] Um so for us like we

3973
02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:28,000
were definitely um more concerned. And

3974
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:30,399
then another thing is also I really love

3975
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:33,439
the diversity that the Airbnbs bring. I

3976
02:47:33,439 --> 02:47:35,920
love seeing the Jewish um traditional

3977
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:37,920
Jewish people with their ringlets. I

3978
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:40,479
love that there are knitting company

3979
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:42,880
knitting communities that can come to

3980
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:44,960
these Airbnbs. And I also really

3981
02:47:44,960 --> 02:47:46,640
appreciate

3982
02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:50,080
um Airbnbs that also have ADA

3983
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:53,359
accommodations for those that need it.

3984
02:47:53,359 --> 02:47:54,880
Okay. Thank you.

3985
02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:56,560
>> Thank you. I'm sorry you went through

3986
02:47:56,560 --> 02:47:59,359
all that and I'm glad I'm glad it's all

3987
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:03,600
that was quite the storm. We're we're still in the process, but I just

3988
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:05,279
wanted to let you guys know as an ORM

3989
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:07,040
resident, having Airbnbs is a very

3990
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:07,920
practical option.

3991
02:48:07,920 --> 02:48:08,720
>> All right. Thank you.

3992
02:48:08,720 --> 02:48:10,240
>> So, yeah.

3993
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:13,600
>> Right. Next up, is it is it John? Okay.

3994
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:20,861
And after after John is Caroli Wolfley,

3995
02:48:20,871 --> 02:48:25,030
[snorts]

3996
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:27,920
that's my wife. And I I didn't know she

3997
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:29,120
was going to talk about that, but we are

3998
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:32,000
super grateful for her aunt who lives

3999
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:33,760
here and other family to let us live in

4000
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:36,800
their home, but we did have to use BNP's

4001
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:38,479
temporarily for our children, our family

4002
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:41,120
to keep us somewhat united during a

4003
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:43,040
tough time. Um, I'm not talking about

4004
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:46,160
that, but obviously I'm here to support

4005
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:47,680
a good neighbor of ours that does have a

4006
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:50,319
large Airbnb, and I strongly urge you to

4007
02:48:50,319 --> 02:48:52,880
look at, you know, sizes of Airbnbs. You

4008
02:48:52,880 --> 02:48:54,479
obviously don't want 100 people in 1,000

4009
02:48:54,479 --> 02:48:56,240
square foot, but if somebody can

4010
02:48:56,240 --> 02:48:57,840
accommodate it and it's not causing any

4011
02:48:57,840 --> 02:48:59,520
problems that you take that into

4012
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:00,880
consideration while you're looking at

4013
02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:04,880
this um process and uh our neighbors

4014
02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:06,479
that do have an Airbnb, actually a

4015
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:07,680
couple of them, you know, they don't

4016
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:09,120
cause any problems and I don't see an

4017
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:12,319
issue. And I I would I would be here in

4018
02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:14,319
the alternative of that. If I did see a

4019
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:15,439
lot of issues, I'd probably be here

4020
02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:17,520
fighting for the opposite of that. Uh I

4021
02:49:17,520 --> 02:49:19,439
haven't seen that in in my area where I

4022
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:21,680
live and I strongly urge you to take

4023
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:24,000
that in consideration. Um I live and

4024
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,240
where I live in ORM um on a different

4025
02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:27,439
subject I'd love to just kind of bring

4026
02:49:27,439 --> 02:49:28,800
up. I have no idea what's going to

4027
02:49:28,800 --> 02:49:31,120
happen. Uh the canal that is no longer

4028
02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:33,760
in use now. Uh I'd love to know what's

4029
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,439
going to be happening to that uh

4030
02:49:35,439 --> 02:49:36,720
property since it runs through the

4031
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:38,880
backyard of my home along with a lot of

4032
02:49:38,880 --> 02:49:42,479
other people's. Um, and uh, I know that

4033
02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:45,439
mine is the canal in my backyard is dry

4034
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:47,279
and nothing's other than some maybe some

4035
02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:48,479
debris, but I've noticed that now

4036
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:50,560
there's lots of weeds growing and other

4037
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:51,680
things, and I'd love to know what's

4038
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:53,840
going on with that, too. But I'm here to

4039
02:49:53,840 --> 02:49:57,200
support and and and make our our family

4040
02:49:57,200 --> 02:49:59,040
USA. Thank you.

4041
02:49:59,040 --> 02:50:01,279
>> All right. Thank you. Um, I'll just

4042
02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:03,200
quickly address the canal. The canal

4043
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:06,319
company has decided not to run water

4044
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:07,680
through it anymore. Yes.

4045
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:09,840
>> And the gentleman, Mr. again if you

4046
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:11,520
would like to speak with him or get give

4047
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:13,840
him your contact information. He has

4048
02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:15,600
more information about a study that's

4049
02:50:15,600 --> 02:50:17,680
going on right now to see what what

4050
02:50:17,680 --> 02:50:20,080
options are available

4051
02:50:20,080 --> 02:50:22,000
uh for that property. We don't own the

4052
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:25,120
property. It's right now the the canal

4053
02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:28,240
company is remains the the ones in

4054
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:29,600
charge of it and so

4055
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:31,279
>> yeah and where I live from my

4056
02:50:31,279 --> 02:50:33,760
understanding it it lines up with Provo

4057
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:35,120
and Orm. So you're dealing with two

4058
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:36,640
different cities.

4059
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:38,000
>> Okay. I don't know where you live. I

4060
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:39,680
live on Paliside Drive.

4061
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:40,960
>> So when it runs through the back side of

4062
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:43,279
Paliside Drive on on the maps.

4063
02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:44,960
>> Oh, that might be the Provo Bench Canal.

4064
02:50:44,960 --> 02:50:46,319
Is that the one that's down below?

4065
02:50:46,319 --> 02:50:46,960
>> Yeah.

4066
02:50:46,960 --> 02:50:49,120
>> Okay. Are we work are we doing a study

4067
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:51,040
on the Provo Bench Canal as well?

4068
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:53,040
>> Okay, then that's Yeah, you'd be the one

4069
02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:54,240
to to talk to.

4070
02:50:54,240 --> 02:50:55,120
>> Okay.

4071
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:55,680
>> All right.

4072
02:50:55,680 --> 02:50:56,160
>> Thank you.

4073
02:50:56,160 --> 02:51:00,399
All right. Caroli Wolfley and

4074
02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:03,120
then um Judy Christensen after Miss

4075
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:06,950
Wolfley.

4076
02:51:06,960 --> 02:51:10,160
I do not see. Is that you? I see someone

4077
02:51:10,160 --> 02:51:12,399
waving. Oh, she's just waving. Oh, she's

4078
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:20,160
waving to you. Okay. Well, she's since she's not here,

4079
02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:24,389
we'll go ahead and

4080
02:51:24,399 --> 02:51:28,479
Oh, in the nick of time.

4081
02:51:28,479 --> 02:51:30,823
All right, you're up.

4082
02:51:30,823 --> 02:51:31,760
[laughter]

4083
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:32,960
You want to catch your breath? Would you

4084
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:34,880
like to have someone go go next and then

4085
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:36,560
you catch your breath for a second?

4086
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:40,800
Okay. Okay. Um Judy Christensen, if you

4087
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:43,120
um come up and then Carol after Miss

4088
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:47,830
Christensen. Um

4089
02:51:47,840 --> 02:51:50,560
yes, I'm Judy Christensen. I moved here

4090
02:51:50,560 --> 02:51:53,680
into ORM about 36 years ago. Um came

4091
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,080
down to Utah for school when I was 17. I

4092
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:58,640
really love it here. I love the people.

4093
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:03,680
I love the values. Um, I love the beauty

4094
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:09,359
and it's awesome and I'm really happy um

4095
02:52:09,359 --> 02:52:13,600
to have uh cool things to do, you know,

4096
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:18,000
like next Tuesday have all of our um you

4097
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:21,120
know, this fun community activity like I

4098
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:22,560
agree with the first speaker about

4099
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:24,240
building bridges in the community. I

4100
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:26,560
happen to be part of a group um a

4101
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:29,840
volunteer group who believes that local

4102
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:31,760
governments should not use government

4103
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:36,720
resources, staff, facilities um um any

4104
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:39,120
of the local of our local things that we

4105
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:42,560
pay for here as a city for to carry out

4106
02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:45,040
federal immigration enforcement

4107
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:50,319
or um yeah and I just am here to ask

4108
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:54,080
um to please I am hoping that we can

4109
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:56,880
pass a formal resolution prohibiting the

4110
02:52:56,880 --> 02:53:00,560
use of municipal funds, staff time,

4111
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:02,960
facilities for federal immigration

4112
02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:06,160
enforcement activities. I'm hoping that

4113
02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:07,760
um

4114
02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:10,640
we publicly can direct our local police

4115
02:53:10,640 --> 02:53:13,040
departments in writing to cease

4116
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:15,040
collaboration with ICE in any form,

4117
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:17,040
including participation in joint

4118
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:19,359
operations, information sharing, and

4119
02:53:19,359 --> 02:53:22,319
notifications. I have friends and family

4120
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:25,920
who um this directly affects and I want

4121
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:29,200
to feel safe in the community. I I value

4122
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:32,479
all people and I hope that we can join

4123
02:53:32,479 --> 02:53:36,000
together in love in this community.

4124
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:36,640
Thank you.

4125
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:40,720
>> Right. Thank you. All right. And after

4126
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:45,840
Ms. Wolfley, we have Ethan Stoffer.

4127
02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:46,960
Right. Welcome.

4128
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:49,520
>> Thank you and thanks for the the breath.

4129
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:53,279
Um, I've lived in or had my home in ORM

4130
02:53:53,279 --> 02:53:58,000
for a zillion years and I love ORM. Um,

4131
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:00,720
I am concerned

4132
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:05,600
about the city um, having given

4133
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:08,000
short-term rental

4134
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:11,840
um, licenses and is trying to change

4135
02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:13,920
that. I that that is a real concern to

4136
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:17,120
me. Um, we don't do that. You know, if

4137
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:18,880
you if you want to change the rules down

4138
02:54:18,880 --> 02:54:23,200
the road, more power to you. But you

4139
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:27,439
grandfather in what you've already done.

4140
02:54:27,439 --> 02:54:29,840
Um

4141
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:38,560
people make plans and and they make important decisions based on

4142
02:54:38,560 --> 02:54:42,000
this and then for you guys to come and

4143
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:45,760
change it here, that's really not fair.

4144
02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:50,399
Um, and I I I

4145
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:54,399
love Worm and I love our neighborhoods.

4146
02:54:54,399 --> 02:54:57,120
I am

4147
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:58,800
um [clears throat]

4148
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:00,640
I have done every sort of thing from

4149
02:55:00,640 --> 02:55:03,680
being um

4150
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:06,880
a married couple,

4151
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:08,560
having kids, raising them in our

4152
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:12,560
schools, doing the um [clears throat]

4153
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:16,960
now I'm a widow and life changes and and

4154
02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:19,920
uh the having short-term rentals is a

4155
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:24,319
way to be able to afford expenses when

4156
02:55:24,319 --> 02:55:29,439
life does change and I I cannot see

4157
02:55:29,439 --> 02:55:31,359
any reason

4158
02:55:31,359 --> 02:55:34,640
that we would want to change that. We

4159
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:37,279
know that there's always people

4160
02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:40,640
um [clears throat] that

4161
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:43,040
wherever whatever situation there's

4162
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,800
always one bad apple, but that doesn't

4163
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:47,520
make all the rest.

4164
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:50,720
So, I would really hope that you would

4165
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:53,359
uh honor the commitments that ORM has

4166
02:55:53,359 --> 02:55:57,359
already made to people and to um allow

4167
02:55:57,359 --> 02:56:00,080
short-term rentals to

4168
02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:03,200
be totally a good thing. I know my

4169
02:56:03,200 --> 02:56:05,439
sister, she stayed in one when she was

4170
02:56:05,439 --> 02:56:09,120
waiting for as a missionary. She had had

4171
02:56:09,120 --> 02:56:11,520
to, you know, gotten everything sold in

4172
02:56:11,520 --> 02:56:13,120
Idaho and came here and stayed in a

4173
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:16,240
short-term rental. It was wonderful. It

4174
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:18,800
helped her tremendously. She went on

4175
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:20,720
with her life. I've had lots of

4176
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:23,600
short-term people come and go. And it

4177
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:26,960
it's that bridge that helps people and

4178
02:56:26,960 --> 02:56:28,640
sustains

4179
02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:31,520
not only them, but us, too. So, thank

4180
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:34,240
you. Thank you. And I'm I'm sorry for

4181
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:36,240
your loss.

4182
02:56:36,240 --> 02:56:40,319
I'm a fellow widow. So, yes.

4183
02:56:40,319 --> 02:56:44,160
All right, Ethan.

4184
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:49,349
Um, you're up. Welcome.

4185
02:56:49,359 --> 02:56:52,319
Hello, mayor and council people. Um, I

4186
02:56:52,319 --> 02:56:54,560
spoke at the last meeting as well. For

4187
02:56:54,560 --> 02:56:56,080
those of you who remember, I spoke about

4188
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:58,080
the flock cameras that have been placed

4189
02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:00,720
up around the city. Um, I still have

4190
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:02,160
more concerns about that and I would

4191
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:04,000
like to share those as well as expound

4192
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:06,160
on an issue that I find disconnected and

4193
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:07,439
that I'm fortunate has already been

4194
02:57:07,439 --> 02:57:10,800
spoken about with the issue of ICE and

4195
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:13,680
immigration enforcement. Um, so first to

4196
02:57:13,680 --> 02:57:16,240
elaborate on Flock for those who do not

4197
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:18,160
remember or maybe weren't here, that is

4198
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:20,399
a private company that makes contracts

4199
02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:22,560
with cities and police departments to

4200
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:24,319
put up these security surveillance

4201
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:27,680
cameras um around the city with no

4202
02:57:27,680 --> 02:57:30,080
disclosure of where they are. Um, the

4203
02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:32,080
only way we have to know where these

4204
02:57:32,080 --> 02:57:34,080
cameras are placed is a crowdsourced

4205
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:36,399
campaign to find them.

4206
02:57:36,399 --> 02:57:39,920
These cameras are AI powered to license

4207
02:57:39,920 --> 02:57:42,479
to register any license plates or make,

4208
02:57:42,479 --> 02:57:46,240
model, color, um, bumper stickers, even

4209
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:48,399
scratches on your car if you pass these

4210
02:57:48,399 --> 02:57:50,399
cameras are registered in their AI

4211
02:57:50,399 --> 02:57:52,319
database and become a searchable data

4212
02:57:52,319 --> 02:57:55,520
point. To use this database, this

4213
02:57:55,520 --> 02:57:58,080
private database, law enforcement does

4214
02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:00,560
not require a warrant of any kind

4215
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:03,279
whatsoever. All it requires is a search

4216
02:58:03,279 --> 02:58:05,439
reason, which for thousands of these

4217
02:58:05,439 --> 02:58:08,160
searches has simply been the word test,

4218
02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:09,680
which we know through independent

4219
02:58:09,680 --> 02:58:12,000
reporting has been abused to follow

4220
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:14,399
people such as ex partners or simple

4221
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:16,800
personal interest searches. I find this

4222
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:20,800
to be an insane breach of civil privacy.

4223
02:58:20,800 --> 02:58:23,680
Um, since anyone driving past these

4224
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:25,200
cameras are being logged into a

4225
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:27,520
database, they had no say in existing

4226
02:58:27,520 --> 02:58:29,680
and have no way to remove themselves

4227
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:31,920
from for simply going about their life,

4228
02:58:31,920 --> 02:58:33,920
going about the city. People have said,

4229
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:35,439
"If you have nothing to hide, you have

4230
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:37,439
nothing to worry about. But if I send

4231
02:58:37,439 --> 02:58:39,040
someone in a package, I'm not putting it

4232
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:40,720
in a clear Tupperware." And it isn't

4233
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:42,240
because it's there's something criminal

4234
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:43,920
inside. It's because it's just for the

4235
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:46,000
recipient. It's a question of privacy.

4236
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,479
It's not a question of criminality.

4237
02:58:48,479 --> 02:58:51,600
Um, the way that this intersects with

4238
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:54,240
ICE, however, is because ICE has been

4239
02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:57,279
known to also use this database to track

4240
02:58:57,279 --> 02:59:00,080
down some of their targets. There are

4241
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:02,720
records of over 4,000 nation and

4242
02:59:02,720 --> 02:59:04,800
statewide lookups by city police

4243
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:07,520
departments on the behalf of ICE with

4244
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:11,040
reasons listed as immigration, ICE, ICE,

4245
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:12,800
and ERRO, which is the enforcement and

4246
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:15,040
removal operations. um illegal

4247
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:17,439
immigration, ICE warrant, you understand

4248
02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:20,479
the you know the trend going on there. I

4249
02:59:20,479 --> 02:59:22,960
would like to reiterate ICE themsself

4250
02:59:22,960 --> 02:59:25,680
has no contract with Flock. They are

4251
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:27,680
asking police departments to do these

4252
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:29,200
searches for them and police departments

4253
02:59:29,200 --> 02:59:31,600
are choosing to and complying to do

4254
02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:34,399
these. There is no legal or any contract

4255
02:59:34,399 --> 02:59:37,200
reason that they have to, but these

4256
02:59:37,200 --> 02:59:38,560
police departments are choosing to

4257
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:40,800
assist them. I'm running low on time, so

4258
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:44,160
I'll speed up from now. Um 70.6% 6% of

4259
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:46,160
all ICE detainees have no criminal

4260
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:48,319
convictions whatsoever. This is people

4261
02:59:48,319 --> 02:59:50,560
that are being held against their will

4262
02:59:50,560 --> 02:59:52,960
with no convictions. And I do not think

4263
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:54,560
we should be assisting ICE and getting

4264
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,640
more of them. Additionally, I want to

4265
02:59:56,640 --> 02:59:59,120
remember that this database is global

4266
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:01,680
and private. Even if our cops choose not

4267
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:03,760
to communicate with ICE and help them,

4268
03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:05,200
they can go to a different city and

4269
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:06,479
since it's all the same database, the

4270
03:00:06,479 --> 03:00:08,000
cops there can do the same and betray

4271
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:10,479
our or citizens. Thank you.

4272
03:00:10,479 --> 03:00:15,030
>> Thank you.

4273
03:00:15,040 --> 03:00:16,960
And that concludes our personal

4274
03:00:16,960 --> 03:00:19,990
appearances.

4275
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:22,399
» Oh, yes. Um, Council Member Millet has a

4276
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:22,720
question.

4277
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:24,479
>> I just wanted to ask our attorney. Is

4278
03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:26,640
Steve here? Oh, there you are. So,

4279
03:00:26,640 --> 03:00:28,800
Steve, has the city of Oram issued

4280
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:30,560
short-term rental licenses?

4281
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:32,640
>> Uh, no. We've never had a short-term

4282
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,880
rental license that we've issued to

4283
03:00:34,880 --> 03:00:37,840
anyone. We do have residential rental

4284
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:40,399
dwelling licenses that we issue to

4285
03:00:40,399 --> 03:00:43,120
anybody who wants to uh rent their

4286
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:45,840
dwelling. Uh primarily that's going to

4287
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:48,560
be long-term uh rentals, but could

4288
03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:50,560
encompass people have who have done

4289
03:00:50,560 --> 03:00:52,240
short-term rentals as well, but we do

4290
03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:54,720
not have any specific short-term

4291
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:59,750
dwelling uh rental license.

4292
03:00:59,760 --> 03:01:01,600
All right, Miss Wolfley, would you do me

4293
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:03,200
if you would like some more information,

4294
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:04,960
have more discussion? you you did not

4295
03:01:04,960 --> 03:01:06,399
have your contact information. If you

4296
03:01:06,399 --> 03:01:11,760
want to leave your phone number with um Teresa's city recorder, we could

4297
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:15,680
um maybe have an opportunity to to

4298
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:18,960
elaborate further on that if that's if

4299
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:20,080
that's something you were interested in

4300
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:21,680
doing. Just go ahead and leave your your

4301
03:01:21,680 --> 03:01:26,000
contact information. Thank you. Um all

4302
03:01:26,000 --> 03:01:28,080
right, council. We have two consent

4303
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:30,880
items this evening. The first is the

4304
03:01:30,880 --> 03:01:32,720
approval of the meeting minutes of July

4305
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:34,880
14th, 2026.

4306
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:37,920
And the second item is an appointment to

4307
03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:40,240
the events advisory commission. Brian,

4308
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:42,560
wait. Is Brian here this evening? All

4309
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:45,600
right. Well, well,

4310
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:48,880
we welcome you and and well, I guess I

4311
03:01:48,880 --> 03:01:50,160
ought to wait till after we vote to

4312
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:52,426
welcome you.

4313
03:01:52,426 --> 03:01:53,120
[laughter]

4314
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:55,120
Not not to get ahead of myself, but

4315
03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:56,960
councel, I would entertain a motion to

4316
03:01:56,960 --> 03:01:59,600
approve the consent items.

4317
03:01:59,600 --> 03:02:00,800
>> So moved.

4318
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:02,319
>> I have a motion. Is there a second?

4319
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:03,439
>> Second.

4320
03:02:03,439 --> 03:02:06,240
>> All right. A second. All right. We'll

4321
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:07,920
start with with you, Council Member

4322
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:08,560
Millet.

4323
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:08,800
>> I.

4324
03:02:08,800 --> 03:02:10,160
>> And I vote I

4325
03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:11,520
>> I.

4326
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:14,560
>> All right. Um, Council Member Mikum.

4327
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:15,680
>> I.

4328
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:17,439
>> Council member Milstein.

4329
03:02:17,439 --> 03:02:18,319
>> I.

4330
03:02:18,319 --> 03:02:20,560
>> Council member Kilpac.

4331
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:21,760
>> I.

4332
03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:22,960
>> All right.

4333
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:24,399
I knew that was going to be the vote,

4334
03:02:24,399 --> 03:02:27,359
but welcome. We're so glad to have you

4335
03:02:27,359 --> 03:02:29,680
on our on our commission and being

4336
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:31,439
willing to serve our community. Thank

4337
03:02:31,439 --> 03:02:33,120
you.

4338
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:36,080
Right. The next item on our agenda is a

4339
03:02:36,080 --> 03:02:38,160
public hearing.

4340
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:41,359
It is an for an ordinance amending

4341
03:02:41,359 --> 03:02:43,840
article 22-5-3A

4342
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:46,319
and the zoning map of the city of ORM by

4343
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:47,760
changing the zone of the property

4344
03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:50,560
located generally at 1875 South Geneva

4345
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:54,960
Road from OS5 open space to PRD planned

4346
03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:57,279
residential development and to amend the

4347
03:02:57,279 --> 03:03:00,080
concept plan found in appendix KK,

4348
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:03,279
excuse me, site plan farm haven to

4349
03:03:03,279 --> 03:03:05,520
include the subject property and amend

4350
03:03:05,520 --> 03:03:08,479
the project layout. And so our presenter

4351
03:03:08,479 --> 03:03:10,560
this evening is our planning director

4352
03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:13,279
Jared Hall. And after Mr. Hall is has

4353
03:03:13,279 --> 03:03:15,040
completed his presentation. Invite the

4354
03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:16,479
applicants to come up if you would like

4355
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:21,590
to say anything else.

4356
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:24,000
» Thank you. Um that introduction of the

4357
03:03:24,000 --> 03:03:27,120
item is quite a mouthful. I know. So

4358
03:03:27,120 --> 03:03:30,000
yeah, it is it is this and the reason

4359
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:31,359
part part of the reason that it's so

4360
03:03:31,359 --> 03:03:33,120
long is that this actual this request

4361
03:03:33,120 --> 03:03:36,640
has two parts. Um it is both um a change

4362
03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:38,720
of zoning to reszone the subject

4363
03:03:38,720 --> 03:03:41,040
property that you see here. This 2.9

4364
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:44,479
acres that's currently in the OS5 zone.

4365
03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,399
They um applicants would like to reszone

4366
03:03:46,399 --> 03:03:48,399
this piece. And then the second part is

4367
03:03:48,399 --> 03:03:51,040
to add it to this portion of property

4368
03:03:51,040 --> 03:03:52,560
that's part of the PRD or our planned

4369
03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:55,359
residential development and modify that

4370
03:03:55,359 --> 03:03:57,359
um current concept plan that goes with

4371
03:03:57,359 --> 03:04:01,120
that PRD to include this property um

4372
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:02,960
that's being reszoned or asked or being

4373
03:04:02,960 --> 03:04:06,800
requested for reszone. So um this went

4374
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:08,479
to the planning commission for a public

4375
03:04:08,479 --> 03:04:11,359
hearing uh back in March and April. The

4376
03:04:11,359 --> 03:04:12,960
planning commission voted to recommend

4377
03:04:12,960 --> 03:04:14,960
approval um with a condition that the

4378
03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:16,800
new PRD would include a direct public

4379
03:04:16,800 --> 03:04:19,279
rideaway connection to Geneva Road. Uh

4380
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:21,359
that's down here. The concept plan at

4381
03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:23,520
the time did not have such a connection.

4382
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:24,880
When the com when the planning

4383
03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:26,319
commission forwarded it, the city

4384
03:04:26,319 --> 03:04:29,600
council heard it uh at a hearing in May.

4385
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:32,479
Uh and it again the the um the

4386
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:34,080
connection public rightway connection to

4387
03:04:34,080 --> 03:04:36,640
Geneva Road was not present. Uh the

4388
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:39,279
council voted at the time to to continue

4389
03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:41,680
the item forward to give the applicants

4390
03:04:41,680 --> 03:04:43,840
a chance to look at a concept plan that

4391
03:04:43,840 --> 03:04:46,000
would include that uh and come back if

4392
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:48,080
that were possible. Um the applicants

4393
03:04:48,080 --> 03:04:49,680
have done that and come back with a

4394
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:52,000
concept plan that does include a

4395
03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:54,800
connection to Geneva Road. Um so we'll

4396
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:58,080
review that tonight and talk about that.

4397
03:04:58,080 --> 03:04:59,279
But I want to give just the background

4398
03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:02,640
again because the public hearing is um

4399
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:04,000
part of the agenda and I wanted to make

4400
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:06,560
sure that this is all again in people's

4401
03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:08,479
minds because it has been a little time.

4402
03:05:08,479 --> 03:05:10,800
Uh as we stated, this is the the parcel

4403
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:12,880
that's being uh requested for reszone.

4404
03:05:12,880 --> 03:05:15,760
This is in the OS5 zone. Uh the property

4405
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:17,439
to the east here is the Whiteststone

4406
03:05:17,439 --> 03:05:19,520
Estate subdivision that was recently

4407
03:05:19,520 --> 03:05:22,160
approved. This is Payton Crossing to the

4408
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:24,880
south. Uh, and this is the land in the

4409
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:28,479
PRD zone that would be um con that would

4410
03:05:28,479 --> 03:05:30,319
be combined with this uh property if

4411
03:05:30,319 --> 03:05:33,439
it's reszoned to form a new PRD uh

4412
03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:35,040
called Westerly Way instead of Farm

4413
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:36,640
Haven.

4414
03:05:36,640 --> 03:05:38,800
Um, this is in this is a section from

4415
03:05:38,800 --> 03:05:41,200
the general plan, the land use map. Um,

4416
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:42,800
this property that's the subject

4417
03:05:42,800 --> 03:05:44,080
property is in the lowdensity

4418
03:05:44,080 --> 03:05:47,200
residential southwest category. Um, the

4419
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:49,279
change is in line with the general plans

4420
03:05:49,279 --> 03:05:52,560
designation. There's no conflict there.

4421
03:05:52,560 --> 03:05:55,600
uh the existing farm haven concept again

4422
03:05:55,600 --> 03:05:57,359
that did have initially a connection to

4423
03:05:57,359 --> 03:05:58,720
Geneva road that was part of the reason

4424
03:05:58,720 --> 03:05:59,840
for the request on the planning

4425
03:05:59,840 --> 03:06:02,319
commission's part in the council review

4426
03:06:02,319 --> 03:06:05,040
uh the existing plan was for 25 smaller

4427
03:06:05,040 --> 03:06:07,439
lots uh their cott called them cottage

4428
03:06:07,439 --> 03:06:10,880
lots it was farm farm haven cottages uh

4429
03:06:10,880 --> 03:06:13,439
25 lots and this road internally

4430
03:06:13,439 --> 03:06:15,840
circulating and then going out to Geneva

4431
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:18,000
um the concept that came through on May

4432
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:20,880
12th uh that has been redesigned was

4433
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:25,359
this 44 town or sorry, 44 twin home lots

4434
03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:27,920
without the connection to Geneva.

4435
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:29,680
The new redesign that does include a

4436
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:31,520
connection to Geneva Road. We're going

4437
03:06:31,520 --> 03:06:32,640
to see how many times I have to say

4438
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:34,319
Geneva Road tonight. You can start

4439
03:06:34,319 --> 03:06:36,319
counting now for those of you playing

4440
03:06:36,319 --> 03:06:39,840
any kind of games with it. Um, this is a

4441
03:06:39,840 --> 03:06:41,520
redesign of the twin home lots, although

4442
03:06:41,520 --> 03:06:43,680
it's fairly similar. It contains that

4443
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:46,640
same circulation pattern inside. Uh, 40

4444
03:06:46,640 --> 03:06:48,399
units. They did lose some some twin

4445
03:06:48,399 --> 03:06:51,120
homes to make that connection happen.

4446
03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:53,120
Um, but there's again some additional

4447
03:06:53,120 --> 03:06:56,800
parking uh for um for guests uh and

4448
03:06:56,800 --> 03:06:59,520
visitors. Uh there are twocar garages on

4449
03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:01,359
all of these units and driveways for two

4450
03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:05,359
cars. Um the parking standard for PRDS

4451
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:07,760
uh multifamily housing is 2.5 parking

4452
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:10,240
spaces per unit. This has about 2.7 if

4453
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:12,080
you count them all together. Uh not

4454
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:13,439
including the driveways. Those would be

4455
03:07:13,439 --> 03:07:15,840
an addition. Uh but just the garages and

4456
03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:18,720
these extra parking spaces. uh a sixoot

4457
03:07:18,720 --> 03:07:21,520
perimeter fence is required uh for a

4458
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:22,880
project like this that would need to be

4459
03:07:22,880 --> 03:07:24,640
part of the site planning and that

4460
03:07:24,640 --> 03:07:26,720
brings me to a point um that I want to

4461
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:31,200
make now so I don't forget. Uh this is a request for a zone change and a

4462
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:33,760
concept plan that goes with that PRD. Um

4463
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:35,840
but those things are not approvals for

4464
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:37,840
building. uh it would still require

4465
03:07:37,840 --> 03:07:39,600
what's being planned here in concept

4466
03:07:39,600 --> 03:07:41,520
would still require planning commission

4467
03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:43,120
approval of a site plan for the multif

4468
03:07:43,120 --> 03:07:44,479
family nature because they are attached

4469
03:07:44,479 --> 03:07:47,040
housing units and uh a subdivision to

4470
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:48,880
make these twin homes. So it'll still go

4471
03:07:48,880 --> 03:07:50,960
through some iterations um with planning

4472
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:52,399
commission but those plans need to be

4473
03:07:52,399 --> 03:07:55,200
based on uh this concept plan if that's

4474
03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:56,960
approved as part of the zoning if that

4475
03:07:56,960 --> 03:07:58,240
makes sense. Just want to make sure

4476
03:07:58,240 --> 03:08:00,319
that's in everybody's heads as we go

4477
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:02,160
through this. Uh the roads are all

4478
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:03,840
public rightway. So these are all um

4479
03:08:03,840 --> 03:08:06,319
oram what we call sublo streets that's

4480
03:08:06,319 --> 03:08:09,040
the design buffered sidewalk curbon

4481
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:12,399
gutter park strip um and then this road

4482
03:08:12,399 --> 03:08:13,920
out to Geneva to provide better

4483
03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:15,439
circulation that does a lot of good

4484
03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:18,319
things in terms of traffic uh it allows

4485
03:08:18,319 --> 03:08:20,319
an access to a westerly road for two

4486
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:21,680
different subdivisions besides the one

4487
03:08:21,680 --> 03:08:24,479
at hand tonight. Um their only access

4488
03:08:24,479 --> 03:08:26,560
from this subdivision out the other

4489
03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:28,800
direction would be out along 850 west to

4490
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:32,319
2000 south. Again, the uh subdivision to

4491
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:34,080
the east here is Whit Stone Estates was

4492
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:35,600
recently approved. There's a stubbed

4493
03:08:35,600 --> 03:08:37,439
connection to Whiteststone Estates, and

4494
03:08:37,439 --> 03:08:39,600
this initial 850 West connection has

4495
03:08:39,600 --> 03:08:41,520
always been part of the plan. Uh that

4496
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:43,040
would continue to be part of the plan,

4497
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:44,720
providing good access for all the lots

4498
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:47,760
that are proposed.

4499
03:08:47,760 --> 03:08:49,680
Uh these are the elevations. Again, I

4500
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:51,359
think it was it was mentioned before

4501
03:08:51,359 --> 03:08:53,439
this back side under PRD rules, this

4502
03:08:53,439 --> 03:08:56,160
needs to have 40% um stone like the

4503
03:08:56,160 --> 03:08:58,240
front sides. Uh that'll need to be added

4504
03:08:58,240 --> 03:09:00,160
when the site plan goes through. We'll

4505
03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:01,680
ensure that happens. These are twin

4506
03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:03,200
homes. They're three-bedroom, three bath

4507
03:09:03,200 --> 03:09:05,120
units, single stories with basements.

4508
03:09:05,120 --> 03:09:06,720
Um, they do meet the height requirements

4509
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:10,880
of the PRD as well. And that is my

4510
03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:12,319
presentation. If you have any questions

4511
03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:13,120
for me tonight.

4512
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:14,640
>> All right. Thank you, council. Any

4513
03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:19,590
questions for u Mr. Hall?

4514
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:23,040
» Council member Gail. Um, can you please

4515
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:24,640
explain to us again, and I know that

4516
03:09:24,640 --> 03:09:25,600
we've been through this before, but

4517
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:26,720
maybe for newer members of the public

4518
03:09:26,720 --> 03:09:28,160
that haven't seen this, um, what the

4519
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:30,960
connection between the current PRD uh,

4520
03:09:30,960 --> 03:09:33,200
zone and the Autism Academy is how this

4521
03:09:33,200 --> 03:09:34,960
new area relates to both of those.

4522
03:09:34,960 --> 03:09:36,319
>> Great. That's a that's a great question.

4523
03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:38,240
Let me go back up to the site plan here.

4524
03:09:38,240 --> 03:09:40,800
This property is owned by the Autism

4525
03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:42,640
Academy, uh, the folks that own own and

4526
03:09:42,640 --> 03:09:44,560
operate the Autism Academy, and they are

4527
03:09:44,560 --> 03:09:46,720
the applicants in this case. They work

4528
03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:49,040
for Farm Haven as well. uh they they

4529
03:09:49,040 --> 03:09:50,800
maintain ownership of it. They would

4530
03:09:50,800 --> 03:09:52,560
like to subdivide this to provide some

4531
03:09:52,560 --> 03:09:54,479
housing for folks uh that are

4532
03:09:54,479 --> 03:09:55,920
participating in in programs of the

4533
03:09:55,920 --> 03:09:58,399
autism academy as part of that. Um it

4534
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,000
wouldn't be exclusive to those folks as

4535
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:01,359
I understand it, but it would provide

4536
03:10:01,359 --> 03:10:03,279
some it's been designed with those folks

4537
03:10:03,279 --> 03:10:05,920
in mind. Uh and the connection to the

4538
03:10:05,920 --> 03:10:08,720
autism academy is really through um some

4539
03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:10,640
access to this road that'll come out,

4540
03:10:10,640 --> 03:10:12,160
but there's no direct connections from

4541
03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:14,560
the PRD to the functioning of the autism

4542
03:10:14,560 --> 03:10:15,920
academy. They don't depend on each other

4543
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:17,920
for parking or for drainage. They do

4544
03:10:17,920 --> 03:10:19,680
benefit from from those connections, but

4545
03:10:19,680 --> 03:10:21,279
they don't depend wholly on each other

4546
03:10:21,279 --> 03:10:23,120
for those things. Does that answer your

4547
03:10:23,120 --> 03:10:24,880
question? Thank you.

4548
03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:28,240
>> All right, council. Any other questions?

4549
03:10:28,240 --> 03:10:30,160
>> Mayor, could I ask you a question?

4550
03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:32,000
>> Oh, okay. Go ahead, Council Member Mikum

4551
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:34,160
and then Council Member Millet.

4552
03:10:34,160 --> 03:10:37,359
>> Okay. U J Jared, I'm just wondering if

4553
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:39,120
you could tell us anything more about

4554
03:10:39,120 --> 03:10:42,000
the the connection to Geneva Road. Um,

4555
03:10:42,000 --> 03:10:46,240
is it a two-way connection? Um uh just

4556
03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:48,000
wondering how traffic might flow onto

4557
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:50,319
Genev Geneva Road in that particular

4558
03:10:50,319 --> 03:10:51,920
space if people are going to be turning

4559
03:10:51,920 --> 03:10:52,960
from

4560
03:10:52,960 --> 03:10:53,200
>> Yeah.

4561
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:55,760
>> Geneva Road left onto that that road or

4562
03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:57,359
anything else you can tell us about that

4563
03:10:57,359 --> 03:10:57,920
connection.

4564
03:10:57,920 --> 03:10:59,439
>> That's that's a good question. My

4565
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:00,720
understanding is this is a full

4566
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:02,240
connection. So it would be full full

4567
03:11:02,240 --> 03:11:04,960
turn movements. Uh UD do has approved UD

4568
03:11:04,960 --> 03:11:06,399
do has reviewed and approved that. I'm

4569
03:11:06,399 --> 03:11:07,279
glad you asked because I should have

4570
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:08,640
mentioned that as part of the review.

4571
03:11:08,640 --> 03:11:10,160
This did go to UD dot. took a while to

4572
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:12,000
get back to us all because it had to get

4573
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:13,520
UD do approval because right now this is

4574
03:11:13,520 --> 03:11:15,439
a state road. This would be full turn

4575
03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:17,680
movements. It's a good access um for all

4576
03:11:17,680 --> 03:11:19,200
these folks to get out that direction

4577
03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:22,960
should they need to. Um yeah, anything

4578
03:11:22,960 --> 03:11:26,389
else there?

4579
03:11:26,399 --> 03:11:28,160
» That's very helpful. Thank you.

4580
03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:28,880
>> Thank you.

4581
03:11:28,880 --> 03:11:30,640
>> Um yeah, just and that was one of my

4582
03:11:30,640 --> 03:11:32,080
questions if we'd heard back from you

4583
03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:34,240
dot on that. So glad to hear that that's

4584
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:35,279
working out

4585
03:11:35,279 --> 03:11:38,080
>> for him. Um and then the other two

4586
03:11:38,080 --> 03:11:40,319
connections to the east.

4587
03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:40,720
>> Yes.

4588
03:11:40,720 --> 03:11:43,040
>> Those are just tying right into the

4589
03:11:43,040 --> 03:11:44,479
other development, the whitest stone

4590
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:45,120
>> into existing

4591
03:11:45,120 --> 03:11:47,920
>> subdivision. What's the status of

4592
03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:49,840
whitest stone right now?

4593
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:50,800
>> Any permits or

4594
03:11:50,800 --> 03:11:52,960
>> they have not pulled permits yet?

4595
03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:54,399
>> There are two phases of the subdivision

4596
03:11:54,399 --> 03:11:56,319
are are in recording right now.

4597
03:11:56,319 --> 03:11:58,399
>> Okay. So, do they have do what does that

4598
03:11:58,399 --> 03:11:59,680
mean? Do they have infrastructure in

4599
03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:00,240
yet?

4600
03:12:00,240 --> 03:12:01,600
>> Uh I don't believe the infrastructure is

4601
03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:03,040
in yet, but it will be soon. I think

4602
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:04,800
it's underway. Okay. Um, and the

4603
03:12:04,800 --> 03:12:06,399
recording is probably not far off for

4604
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:08,080
>> Whit. So, they're they're moving

4605
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,240
forward. So, this should all probably go

4606
03:12:10,240 --> 03:12:12,560
pretty close, pretty together.

4607
03:12:12,560 --> 03:12:14,080
>> There's not really a delay on the Whit

4608
03:12:14,080 --> 03:12:15,840
project. It's moving forward currently.

4609
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:16,960
It just takes a while to get everything

4610
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:18,479
done. They're they're reporting and

4611
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:19,520
building.

4612
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:21,840
>> All right. Thank you. Um, the applicants

4613
03:12:21,840 --> 03:12:23,439
here this evening invite you to come up

4614
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:26,399
and introduce yourself. And if you'd

4615
03:12:26,399 --> 03:12:27,920
like to add any additional information,

4616
03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:31,910
you're welcome to do so.

4617
03:12:31,920 --> 03:12:34,000
» Um, thank you. And first if I can

4618
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:36,560
clarify a couple of things. Uh there is

4619
03:12:36,560 --> 03:12:39,040
only one access to the east into Whit

4620
03:12:39,040 --> 03:12:41,520
Stone. One of those is a dead end. So

4621
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:44,880
there's just one going east. Also um the

4622
03:12:44,880 --> 03:12:48,560
intention is not to sell these homes to

4623
03:12:48,560 --> 03:12:50,399
those who are participating in the

4624
03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:53,439
clinic. Um this is open to the public.

4625
03:12:53,439 --> 03:12:55,359
Uh there isn't a requirement that they

4626
03:12:55,359 --> 03:12:58,800
have access to our facilities there. Um

4627
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:03,120
it would be great if if they do, but uh

4628
03:13:03,120 --> 03:13:05,040
we already have a massive waiting list

4629
03:13:05,040 --> 03:13:07,920
for people trying to get in. And so to

4630
03:13:07,920 --> 03:13:09,840
qualify

4631
03:13:09,840 --> 03:13:13,920
to have a home there to already be in uh

4632
03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:16,560
as a client at the academy is not

4633
03:13:16,560 --> 03:13:18,160
likely.

4634
03:13:18,160 --> 03:13:19,840
>> Thank you. I appreciate those those

4635
03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:22,399
clarifications. Council, any other

4636
03:13:22,399 --> 03:13:29,030
questions uh for the applicant?

4637
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:30,960
Right. Hearing none, I'll go ahead and

4638
03:13:30,960 --> 03:13:32,640
This is a public hearing. So, if you've

4639
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:35,760
come here this evening to speak to this

4640
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:37,439
uh this item on the agenda, you're

4641
03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:40,479
welcome to come up now. I ask you to uh

4642
03:13:40,479 --> 03:13:42,800
state your name and limit your comments

4643
03:13:42,800 --> 03:13:47,590
to three minutes.

4644
03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:51,680
Hello. Hi, Pamela May. I'm on 800 North.

4645
03:13:51,680 --> 03:13:55,040
So, just right there with on the main

4646
03:13:55,040 --> 03:13:57,760
streets. Um just I needed a

4647
03:13:57,760 --> 03:14:00,880
understanding clarification was

4648
03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:02,640
originally it was going to be for

4649
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:05,600
autistic is going to be built as an

4650
03:14:05,600 --> 03:14:08,319
autistic community and I'm understanding

4651
03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:10,640
now that it's not going to be an

4652
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:12,160
autistic community. Just clarification

4653
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:14,319
not an argument just an understanding.

4654
03:14:14,319 --> 03:14:16,880
>> Okay. All right. Go say go ahead and

4655
03:14:16,880 --> 03:14:18,880
>> Thank you. I I probably should have

4656
03:14:18,880 --> 03:14:20,960
clarified a little bit. Uh, this is

4657
03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:22,640
designed as an autism friendly

4658
03:14:22,640 --> 03:14:25,040
neighborhood, which means it will be

4659
03:14:25,040 --> 03:14:28,319
focused on autism. Um, but you don't

4660
03:14:28,319 --> 03:14:31,279
have to have a diagnosis to live there.

4661
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:37,680
Um, but just an affinity for those who have uh a diagnosis or or maybe feel

4662
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:39,760
like they they have those tend uh

4663
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:42,640
tendencies. Um, but the idea is that

4664
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:45,520
with what we've created with the clinic

4665
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:48,479
and the uh community center and now with

4666
03:14:48,479 --> 03:14:50,080
the neighborhood is we're going to

4667
03:14:50,080 --> 03:14:54,399
demonstrate that um all individuals on

4668
03:14:54,399 --> 03:14:57,200
the spectrum are welcome in

4669
03:14:57,200 --> 03:14:59,600
neurodeiverse communities, that they

4670
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:01,680
have something to share, that they can

4671
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:03,760
have pride in where they live. they're

4672
03:15:03,760 --> 03:15:06,720
not relinquished to

4673
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:10,790
um

4674
03:15:10,800 --> 03:15:13,600
group homes, things like that, which now

4675
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:16,239
are being investigated and and rules are

4676
03:15:16,239 --> 03:15:18,160
changing there. Trisha can tell you more

4677
03:15:18,160 --> 03:15:20,960
about that, but it is definitely an

4678
03:15:20,960 --> 03:15:25,600
autism focused community, but you don't

4679
03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:26,720
need to have a diagnosis.

4680
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:28,160
>> Right. Thank you. And ma'am, what was

4681
03:15:28,160 --> 03:15:30,720
your name? We just need that for for our

4682
03:15:30,720 --> 03:15:32,495
minutes.

4683
03:15:32,495 --> 03:15:32,960
[panting]

4684
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:34,319
>> Pamela Moose.

4685
03:15:34,319 --> 03:15:34,800
>> Okay.

4686
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:37,840
>> And so that means so would the the

4687
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:40,560
buildings the homes be sold solely to

4688
03:15:40,560 --> 03:15:43,840
people that have autistic tendency or

4689
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:45,439
are they really open to the public with

4690
03:15:45,439 --> 03:15:46,960
the fair housing laws?

4691
03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:48,640
>> Yes. Open to the public.

4692
03:15:48,640 --> 03:15:51,200
>> Open to the public. Okay. Thank you.

4693
03:15:51,200 --> 03:15:52,720
>> Right. Thank you. Is there anyone else

4694
03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:58,950
who would like to speak to this tonight?

4695
03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:00,239
All right. If you can just state your

4696
03:16:00,239 --> 03:16:00,880
name.

4697
03:16:00,880 --> 03:16:02,560
>> Keith Walker. Again, thank you. I

4698
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:05,040
happened to sit in this meeting with him

4699
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:06,640
in the planning commission. I don't know

4700
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:08,880
a year and a half, two years ago when he

4701
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:10,239
presented this and the planning

4702
03:16:10,239 --> 03:16:12,720
commission denied him and I was appalled

4703
03:16:12,720 --> 03:16:14,160
at the planning commission for doing

4704
03:16:14,160 --> 03:16:16,319
what they did. The support he had for

4705
03:16:16,319 --> 03:16:18,800
the autism and the community to try to

4706
03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:20,399
build there people that want to buy

4707
03:16:20,399 --> 03:16:23,040
these houses for their kids to support

4708
03:16:23,040 --> 03:16:25,359
the autism thing, I thought was a great

4709
03:16:25,359 --> 03:16:26,880
thing. when I sat and listened to the

4710
03:16:26,880 --> 03:16:28,640
whole structure that I didn't know

4711
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:30,880
anything about. And so I'm glad when

4712
03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:33,040
that it's back to before the council,

4713
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:34,800
the the community was fighting him

4714
03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:35,920
because he was trying to put a road

4715
03:16:35,920 --> 03:16:37,120
through and they were all worried about

4716
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:39,680
the traffic and it just was absurd cuz

4717
03:16:39,680 --> 03:16:41,200
those developments now are being

4718
03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:42,640
developed and the roads are going

4719
03:16:42,640 --> 03:16:45,439
through and he got denied a year and a

4720
03:16:45,439 --> 03:16:47,760
half to two years ago. And I'm glad to

4721
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:49,760
see this happen and I'm grateful for to

4722
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:51,920
see I hope what I've witnessed here

4723
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:54,399
tonight come to

4724
03:16:54,399 --> 03:16:56,239
fruition of what I witnessed a couple

4725
03:16:56,239 --> 03:16:58,080
years ago that I was appalled at what

4726
03:16:58,080 --> 03:16:59,680
happened. So I'm grateful for that for

4727
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:02,000
the for the applicant. Thank you.

4728
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:04,560
>> All right. Thank you. Anybody else who

4729
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:11,110
would like to speak to this?

4730
03:17:11,120 --> 03:17:12,720
» Okay. Welcome. And go ahead and state

4731
03:17:12,720 --> 03:17:16,070
your name.

4732
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:18,720
Good evening. This is Marian Baxter and

4733
03:17:18,720 --> 03:17:21,520
I live in Southwest Orm. And I will tell

4734
03:17:21,520 --> 03:17:24,479
you in Wildwood Hollow where we raised

4735
03:17:24,479 --> 03:17:28,080
our family for over 36 years,

4736
03:17:28,080 --> 03:17:31,520
the healthiest combination within that

4737
03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:34,800
neighborhood was that it always from the

4738
03:17:34,800 --> 03:17:37,760
time in the 70s when it was first built

4739
03:17:37,760 --> 03:17:42,319
to today has been a mix of every age and

4740
03:17:42,319 --> 03:17:46,960
stage of life. And I was not aware of

4741
03:17:46,960 --> 03:17:49,760
this community until tonight and this

4742
03:17:49,760 --> 03:17:51,840
development request. But I will tell

4743
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:55,600
you, the more that we integrate, ORM has

4744
03:17:55,600 --> 03:17:58,160
always had a reputation of being a

4745
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:02,560
patchwork quilt of high-end homes to

4746
03:18:02,560 --> 03:18:06,640
every stage and size because people love

4747
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:08,960
their neighborhoods. And there is a way

4748
03:18:08,960 --> 03:18:12,640
to make a difference in communities by

4749
03:18:12,640 --> 03:18:16,880
involving a healthy mix. And from what

4750
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:19,760
I've heard briefly this evening in the

4751
03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:23,040
work meeting before and thank you for

4752
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,279
having those online

4753
03:18:25,279 --> 03:18:29,600
um I literally appreciate how much ORM

4754
03:18:29,600 --> 03:18:33,120
has the ability to welcome all and

4755
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:34,640
create safe and productive

4756
03:18:34,640 --> 03:18:37,040
neighborhoods. So, thank you for your

4757
03:18:37,040 --> 03:18:40,720
attention. All right. Thank you.

4758
03:18:40,720 --> 03:18:45,359
Anyone else who'd like to speak to this evening?

4759
03:18:45,359 --> 03:18:47,120
All right. I'll go ahead and close the

4760
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:48,800
public hearing and bring this back to

4761
03:18:48,800 --> 03:18:50,960
the city council council. As you'll

4762
03:18:50,960 --> 03:18:55,359
recall, this came to us in May and we

4763
03:18:55,359 --> 03:18:58,800
had a discussion about it then and asked

4764
03:18:58,800 --> 03:19:00,399
the applicant if they would like to come

4765
03:19:00,399 --> 03:19:03,439
back with a road uh that would connect

4766
03:19:03,439 --> 03:19:07,680
to Geneva Road and and at that point we

4767
03:19:07,680 --> 03:19:10,000
encouraged them to do so. And so they've

4768
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:14,000
done that. And so I would open this up

4769
03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:16,960
for discussion or

4770
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:22,319
on this as we're reviewing this again.

4771
03:19:22,319 --> 03:19:25,040
>> Yeah, go ahead.

4772
03:19:25,040 --> 03:19:26,800
>> Thank you, mayor. I just I just want to

4773
03:19:26,800 --> 03:19:29,520
say uh how grateful I am to the

4774
03:19:29,520 --> 03:19:31,359
applicant. Um I remember that meeting

4775
03:19:31,359 --> 03:19:32,880
very well. It was very emotional

4776
03:19:32,880 --> 03:19:36,560
meeting. Uh not in a bad way, but in a

4777
03:19:36,560 --> 03:19:40,160
very good way. And uh I just want to say

4778
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:42,319
thank you uh first of all for the

4779
03:19:42,319 --> 03:19:45,359
amazing work that you do. Um I think

4780
03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:47,359
it's important. I think it's

4781
03:19:47,359 --> 03:19:49,120
compassionate. I think it's

4782
03:19:49,120 --> 03:19:51,120
life-changing

4783
03:19:51,120 --> 03:19:54,560
uh for all involved. And so I want to

4784
03:19:54,560 --> 03:19:57,120
say thank you for that. Secondly, I want

4785
03:19:57,120 --> 03:19:59,439
to say thank you for reworking your

4786
03:19:59,439 --> 03:20:01,600
plan, for listening to the neighbors,

4787
03:20:01,600 --> 03:20:03,439
the concerns that came up and coming up

4788
03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:07,680
with what I think is a beautiful a beautiful plan moving

4789
03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:11,520
forward. So, thank you for for being

4790
03:20:11,520 --> 03:20:13,120
here again and again, thank you for

4791
03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:14,880
listening and and for the great things

4792
03:20:14,880 --> 03:20:15,840
that you're doing.

4793
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:18,800
>> Right. Thank you, Council Member Millet

4794
03:20:18,800 --> 03:20:20,640
and then Council Member Gail.

4795
03:20:20,640 --> 03:20:22,479
>> Yeah, I just want to echo that. You

4796
03:20:22,479 --> 03:20:24,160
know, I've been here for this process

4797
03:20:24,160 --> 03:20:26,239
and it's been arduous and I appreciate

4798
03:20:26,239 --> 03:20:28,080
your patience. Our planning process is

4799
03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:30,800
sometimes very difficult. We do have to

4800
03:20:30,800 --> 03:20:32,880
listen to everyone and we do have to

4801
03:20:32,880 --> 03:20:35,760
provide access for everyone and just so

4802
03:20:35,760 --> 03:20:38,239
grateful for this exit onto Geneva. I

4803
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:40,080
think we have a win-win here with both

4804
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:42,800
neighborhoods on that. And I just want

4805
03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:44,720
to say thank you for the invitation to

4806
03:20:44,720 --> 03:20:47,600
your grand opening. That was so amazing.

4807
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:52,000
I have um um a nephew with autism. I

4808
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:53,359
have neighbors across the street. Four

4809
03:20:53,359 --> 03:20:55,520
of their five kids have autism, you

4810
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:59,279
know, and I it was so and I saw them at

4811
03:20:59,279 --> 03:21:01,680
the your grand opening, my neighbors. It

4812
03:21:01,680 --> 03:21:03,359
was so incredible to see the work that

4813
03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:06,080
you do and to see from when I'm thinking

4814
03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:07,920
four years ago is when the first time I

4815
03:21:07,920 --> 03:21:10,399
met you three or four years ago and um

4816
03:21:10,399 --> 03:21:13,279
just to see how your dream is coming

4817
03:21:13,279 --> 03:21:15,760
together. I appreciate that and just

4818
03:21:15,760 --> 03:21:17,680
thank you for the service that you offer

4819
03:21:17,680 --> 03:21:19,920
and for the patience with our process.

4820
03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:22,950
Thank you so much.

4821
03:21:22,960 --> 03:21:24,640
I just want to say I was so happy to see

4822
03:21:24,640 --> 03:21:26,319
you on the agenda when I opened my email

4823
03:21:26,319 --> 03:21:27,520
and said there they are. They've done

4824
03:21:27,520 --> 03:21:28,800
it. They put the road through. So I'm

4825
03:21:28,800 --> 03:21:29,920
happy that you were able to do it. Thank

4826
03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:31,279
you for the work you do and I just echo

4827
03:21:31,279 --> 03:21:32,560
everything that council members Millet

4828
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:34,239
and Lamson have said. So happy to see

4829
03:21:34,239 --> 03:21:35,439
you here.

4830
03:21:35,439 --> 03:21:38,000
>> All right. Thank you. Anybody virtually

4831
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:39,680
would like would you like to have any

4832
03:21:39,680 --> 03:21:43,349
comment?

4833
03:21:43,359 --> 03:21:45,040
» This is Quinn. Ju just

4834
03:21:45,040 --> 03:21:46,880
>> Okay. Um go ahead Quinn.

4835
03:21:46,880 --> 03:21:48,239
>> Yeah. Thank you so much for your

4836
03:21:48,239 --> 03:21:56,389
flexibility on this. Um I'm also delighted. Thank you.

4837
03:21:56,399 --> 03:22:01,520
» All right. Yes. I'm I was so I in fact I

4838
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:03,200
asked I can't remember who I asked. I

4839
03:22:03,200 --> 03:22:05,120
said when when is it on the agenda?

4840
03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:07,520
When's it coming back? And because I

4841
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:09,840
can't wait to vote yes on this. And I

4842
03:22:09,840 --> 03:22:12,560
think it's a a wonderful project for our

4843
03:22:12,560 --> 03:22:16,239
community. And I want to thank you too

4844
03:22:16,239 --> 03:22:19,200
as well for the work you do. We we've

4845
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:22,720
talked and thank you. That's all I'll

4846
03:22:22,720 --> 03:22:25,680
say. Thank you for what you what you do.

4847
03:22:25,680 --> 03:22:28,080
Um council.

4848
03:22:28,080 --> 03:22:30,720
All right.

4849
03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:32,160
>> A motion. Do you want me to do a motion?

4850
03:22:32,160 --> 03:22:33,359
>> Yes, I would love for you to do a

4851
03:22:33,359 --> 03:22:35,279
motion. I move to approve amending

4852
03:22:35,279 --> 03:22:37,840
article 2253A

4853
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:39,760
and the zoning map of the city of Warren

4854
03:22:39,760 --> 03:22:41,439
by changing the zone of the properties

4855
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:44,560
located generally at 1875 South Geneva

4856
03:22:44,560 --> 03:22:49,200
Road from OS5 open space to PRD planned

4857
03:22:49,200 --> 03:22:52,239
residential development and to amend

4858
03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:55,840
appendix KK site plan farm haven to

4859
03:22:55,840 --> 03:22:58,160
include the subject property and amend

4860
03:22:58,160 --> 03:22:59,680
the project layout.

4861
03:22:59,680 --> 03:23:01,200
>> Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a

4862
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:02,080
second?

4863
03:23:02,080 --> 03:23:04,080
>> I second. Right. Thank you, Council

4864
03:23:04,080 --> 03:23:05,439
Member Gail. We have a motion in a

4865
03:23:05,439 --> 03:23:07,200
second. Is there any discussion? Any

4866
03:23:07,200 --> 03:23:08,880
more discussion? [gasps] All right. I'm

4867
03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:10,479
going to go ahead and vote I. Council

4868
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:11,520
member Lamson.

4869
03:23:11,520 --> 03:23:13,840
>> I.

4870
03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:16,560
>> Council member Kilpac.

4871
03:23:16,560 --> 03:23:17,520
>> I.

4872
03:23:17,520 --> 03:23:19,439
>> Council member Muellstein.

4873
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:20,720
>> I.

4874
03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:22,640
>> Council [snorts] member Mikum.

4875
03:23:22,640 --> 03:23:23,840
>> I.

4876
03:23:23,840 --> 03:23:25,120
>> Right. Thank you. Motion passes

4877
03:23:25,120 --> 03:23:27,040
unanimously.

4878
03:23:27,040 --> 03:23:29,279
Thank you.

4879
03:23:29,279 --> 03:23:32,720
All right. We now have our city manager

4880
03:23:32,720 --> 03:23:34,399
information items. We'll turn the time

4881
03:23:34,399 --> 03:23:36,640
over to our city manager, um, Bren

4882
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:38,800
Bbeby.

4883
03:23:38,800 --> 03:23:41,279
>> Many of you were at the Aloha Fest this

4884
03:23:41,279 --> 03:23:43,439
last weekend. We already have the

4885
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:44,960
participation

4886
03:23:44,960 --> 03:23:48,479
uh, uh, estimates and the attendance of

4887
03:23:48,479 --> 03:23:52,000
the Aloha Fest rivaled Lights On and

4888
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:55,040
Taste of Orum. So, two of our bigger

4889
03:23:55,040 --> 03:23:56,880
events. So, pretty exciting. So, we

4890
03:23:56,880 --> 03:23:59,920
continue to be a magnet for for great uh

4891
03:23:59,920 --> 03:24:02,239
community events and we have

4892
03:24:02,239 --> 03:24:04,560
>> I have to give an award to the mayor

4893
03:24:04,560 --> 03:24:08,239
because she sat in a chair in the sun

4894
03:24:08,239 --> 03:24:10,800
for the first 30 minutes or so, right?

4895
03:24:10,800 --> 03:24:13,439
They you I was sitting there thinking,

4896
03:24:13,439 --> 03:24:15,190
move her in the shade, please.

4897
03:24:15,190 --> 03:24:19,600
[laughter] But it was fabulous and your your comments were so wonderful

4898
03:24:19,600 --> 03:24:20,640
there. So, thank you.

4899
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:22,560
>> Well, thank you. It was it was a lot of

4900
03:24:22,560 --> 03:24:26,640
fun. And yes, if you I hope that that

4901
03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:29,040
they we can continue to be their hosts.

4902
03:24:29,040 --> 03:24:30,160
So,

4903
03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:31,840
>> and if I could add something, we were

4904
03:24:31,840 --> 03:24:35,840
there uh in the evening and that park

4905
03:24:35,840 --> 03:24:37,760
was packed

4906
03:24:37,760 --> 03:24:41,120
and it was so fun and we were astounded

4907
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:45,200
to see Ian Tongi perform. He was not

4908
03:24:45,200 --> 03:24:47,279
anywhere in any of the material that we

4909
03:24:47,279 --> 03:24:50,960
had seen, but uh we had a an American

4910
03:24:50,960 --> 03:24:53,600
Idol winner here in Ormfest or not

4911
03:24:53,600 --> 03:24:56,640
Ormfest in Orm City Park for Aloha Fest.

4912
03:24:56,640 --> 03:24:58,800
And that place was bumping. I mean, it

4913
03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:03,359
was so much fun. And uh anyway, thank

4914
03:25:03,359 --> 03:25:05,439
you to whoever made that happen because

4915
03:25:05,439 --> 03:25:07,359
it was awesome.

4916
03:25:07,359 --> 03:25:09,439
>> Yeah, it was um I can't remember saying

4917
03:25:09,439 --> 03:25:11,520
his last name and his family, but the

4918
03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:14,319
his foundation that

4919
03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:15,920
We're glad it was a huge success and

4920
03:25:15,920 --> 03:25:18,640
we'll, you know, continue to to help it

4921
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:21,600
moving forward. And speaking of being

4922
03:25:21,600 --> 03:25:23,600
out in the sun, we will have a tent for

4923
03:25:23,600 --> 03:25:26,800
you all at the World Folk Fest. That is

4924
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:30,239
tomorrow. 5:45 p.m. is when it starts.

4925
03:25:30,239 --> 03:25:32,640
Your tent will be right next to the the

4926
03:25:32,640 --> 03:25:35,680
outdoor stage there. And just be aware

4927
03:25:35,680 --> 03:25:38,319
the nine uh countries that are having

4928
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:40,319
representatives come. They want to take

4929
03:25:40,319 --> 03:25:42,399
photos with y'all and they have a you

4930
03:25:42,399 --> 03:25:46,319
know small gift to to share. So

4931
03:25:46,319 --> 03:25:48,399
>> that and that's tomorrow night council

4932
03:25:48,399 --> 03:25:49,680
starting at 5

4933
03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:54,080
>> 5:45 All right. Thank you. Anything

4934
03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:55,680
else?

4935
03:25:55,680 --> 03:25:58,160
All done. Okay. Council, we have one

4936
03:25:58,160 --> 03:26:00,479
more item and that is to adjourn to a

4937
03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:03,279
closed session in the summit concert uh

4938
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:05,520
conference concert summit concert room.

4939
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:08,000
We're going to have a a karaoke night.

4940
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:10,080
Adjourn to a close session in the summit

4941
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,479
conference room to discuss pending or

4942
03:26:12,479 --> 03:26:14,080
reasonably imminent litigation, the

4943
03:26:14,080 --> 03:26:15,680
character or professional competence of

4944
03:26:15,680 --> 03:26:17,520
an individual or the purchase of or

4945
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:18,800
lease of real property.

4946
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:19,680
>> So moved.

4947
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:22,080
>> Thank you. Have a motion, a second.

4948
03:26:22,080 --> 03:26:22,640
>> Second.

4949
03:26:22,640 --> 03:26:24,160
>> All right. Thank you. A motion and a

4950
03:26:24,160 --> 03:26:26,319
second. Um, go ahead, Council Member

4951
03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:27,520
Lamson. How do you vote?

4952
03:26:27,520 --> 03:26:32,640
>> I Council Member Milstein,

4953
03:26:32,640 --> 03:26:33,600
>> I.

4954
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:37,590
>> Council member Mikum,

4955
03:26:37,600 --> 03:26:39,359
» Council Member Kilpac,

4956
03:26:39,359 --> 03:26:40,560
>> I.

4957
03:26:40,560 --> 03:26:41,840
>> All right. Thank you. We're going to go

4958
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:43,600
ahead and adjourn to a closed door

4959
03:26:43,600 --> 03:26:45,760
session.