1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,400 Brandon, probably Jody and and uh 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,040 potentially others in in further 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,120 refining the the list of candidates. 4 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:13,519 We want to make sure and get there's a 5 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:17,039 high profile position 6 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:19,680 on one regardless. So we want to get it 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,080 right and go through a proper uh 8 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:23,840 in-depth process. There's going to be 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,240 time jinxing us. I don't need a lot of 10 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,400 time. Okay. 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,320 Anything. 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,960 >> All right. Thank you. Right. The next 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,640 item on the agenda is a discussion led 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,600 by Jared Hall, our planning director on 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,680 detached accessory dwelling minutes. So 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,640 got 60 minutes and if you if we end at 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,435 45 minutes, you've got to sing for 15. 18 00:00:50,435 --> 00:00:52,079 [laughter] 19 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,879 >> About an hour 30 if you want. I can 20 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:58,000 >> through. So after our last meeting uh 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,760 took the comments that we heard uh the 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,000 council talk about especially dealing 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,880 with the setbacks that was a big issue 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,080 and what they would look like and uh the 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,560 idea of 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,439 how would it look if we had setbacks 27 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,159 that cut the expectation that people 28 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:22,960 have now of the setbacks for instance 29 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,840 you have to have a 30ft setback or a 25 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,840 ft setback in the backyard. How would 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,560 that work? And so we took those comments 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,560 and we've got some graphics that show 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,360 what this would be like. 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,119 >> And as a reminder in this discussion, 35 00:01:41,119 --> 00:01:44,560 the goal, you haven't had the goal to 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,960 try and make every lot be able to have 37 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:48,640 an accessory 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,240 uh or a detached uh accessory dwelling 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,520 unit. Sometimes depending on how the 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,560 property is built or constructed, for 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,159 instance, they take up their whole 42 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,799 buildable envelope on the property. It 43 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:04,799 might make it difficult for someone to 44 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:09,360 have a a a what do we call them now? 45 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,200 What are we? 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,879 >> No, I thought we were calling 47 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:16,000 >> calling him daddos. 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,879 >> He was doing that. 49 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,120 >> So, did Jared would prefer you call them 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,760 daddos? I will openly bully anyone that 51 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,840 refers. [laughter] 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,360 >> I heard that discussion in planning 53 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,200 commission. That is not how it happens. 54 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,239 >> Fair enough. 55 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:36,080 >> Uh and so the larger you get in a lot 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,480 the easier it may be, but the smaller 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,720 lots admittedly they're difficult 58 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,280 because someone may have maxed out uh 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,920 already what they can build on and do. 60 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,599 And so, uh, Jared will walk us through 61 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,319 these, uh, graphics that we have. 62 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,760 >> Okay. Um, thank you, Gary. So, this is a 63 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,959 this is just a generic 64 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:00,080 I don't want I don't want to use the 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,400 term fake. It's a generic slide showing 66 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,760 kind of a a typical or a a prototypical 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,159 11,000t lot. They're usually just a 68 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:09,599 little bit longer than they are wide. 69 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:10,720 Sometimes they're a little wider than 70 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,959 they're long, but you got to be, you 71 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:16,560 know, in the typical zones that would generate 11,000 square foot 72 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,319 lots, you'll have an 85 foot frontage 73 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:23,360 requirement. 100 foot frontage is not out of the norm. Uh, but again, you 74 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,640 know, every lot is shaped differently. 75 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,239 So, this is just for purposes of 76 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:28,239 discussion about what the setbacks might 77 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:30,560 or what different approaches to setbacks 78 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,440 might result in for us to start talking 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,040 about this. Um what this is showing is 80 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 in different parts separation from the 81 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,799 primary residence at six feet. That's 82 00:03:40,799 --> 00:03:42,400 kind of the building code separation 83 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,680 from accessories to main main buildings. 84 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,280 That's the first one to be aware of. 85 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,120 This is showing 25 ft for the rear um 86 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,760 for the setback to the ADU from the rear 87 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:01,680 property line. That is a typical R8 rear lot setback is 25 ft. Um, it's 88 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,120 important to remember that this is not 89 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,439 tied on that on that state code. This is 90 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:07,040 not tied to zoning. It's tied to lot 91 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,720 size. But so it might be there might be 92 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,879 an 11,000 foot lot in the R8 zone, which 93 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:12,720 would be a 25 ft rear. There might be an 94 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,720 11,000 foot lot in the um R8 and in the 95 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,040 R6 zone that would only be a 20ft rear 96 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,759 lot setback, but we're going with so it 97 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,600 would be tied to that zoning or 25 ft or 98 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,680 whatever that case might be. So it's 99 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,919 showing that setback and then we talked 100 00:04:29,919 --> 00:04:31,840 about in that meeting um [clears throat] 101 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,400 in the last meeting 102 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,199 uh looking at separation from not just 103 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:38,880 the property lines but from the 104 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,720 buildable areas of the adjacent lots so 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,400 that if somebody has a small house we 106 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,600 can look at this better in other 107 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,280 graphics too. Somebody has a smaller 108 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:47,120 house and they're only required say an 109 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,120 8ft sideyard like this and this one 110 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,720 here. Um, if you're if you're 10 feet, 111 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,880 like we're saying on interior sides, you 112 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,400 have to be at least 10 feet for your 113 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,240 ADU, but you need to be 30 feet from 114 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,240 anybody else's buildable area. So, if 115 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,840 they add on to their house, you're not 116 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:02,720 closer than you would have been 117 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,320 otherwise. That's the thinking behind 118 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 that kind of a setback. And then again, 119 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,960 just a minimum, no matter how far, uh, 120 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 of 10 feet from interior property lines, 121 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,520 border sides, again, that would be 122 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,120 facing a street. So, that would show you 123 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,880 25 ft from any street, just like a front 124 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,240 yard setback would. So this this um 125 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,120 fictional house here 50x30 is a pretty 126 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,960 typical ORM twostory house and plunked 127 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,800 down here at 25 ft which is the front 128 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,960 setback that the R8 zone would require 129 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,280 and well inside of its 8ft sideyards 130 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,919 that would be required as well. So that 131 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:37,520 kind of shows you this this area right 132 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,600 in here about 13x 56 in this um 133 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,600 prototype diagram would be available for 134 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,919 someone to put an ADU an attached ADU. 135 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:48,160 Does that all make sense? 136 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,960 So what we did is take this um 137 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,039 configuration, these types of setback 138 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:55,440 applications and apply them to some of 139 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,360 the real world um lots that we had 140 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,880 randomly selected for the last time we 141 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,039 talked and laying those over those. So 142 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:02,240 you can see kind of what Gary was 143 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,880 talking about there. It it won't it 144 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,240 wouldn't make it possible for every 145 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,199 single lot to be used. But again, um, 146 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:12,000 just looking for some of the kind of the 147 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,639 goals was to have setbacks that might 148 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,000 preclude something like this happening 149 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,600 where it's it's further from the house 150 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,199 here, but it's right on top of the 151 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,039 neighbor's house that happens to be real 152 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:23,520 close to a property line there, bigger 153 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,199 unit, and it's plenty far from this 154 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,280 adjacent home here, plenty far from the 155 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,120 existing house here. It's right on top 156 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,280 of these folks. So, trying to keep that 157 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,440 from happening as a goal. You want 158 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,800 something more into that. And right 159 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,319 here, right in back, that back corner, 160 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:40,000 it f it's in there, but it's right on 161 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,560 top of this other folk's house. So, we 162 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,160 applying it to the real world. You see 163 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,680 these kind of situations. This is a 164 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,720 culde-sac lot right here. This greened 165 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,720 out area. You can see the house 166 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,560 footprint right here, but the buildable 167 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,479 portion of that lot is all of that. They 168 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:56,880 could add on to all of those lines. So, 169 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,639 that's that 30ft setback from their 170 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:02,160 buildable area. Um, that would show if 171 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,680 we have that kind of a setback, then it 172 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,319 would limit that ADU location from 30 ft 173 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,400 away from the buildable, 25 ft for the 174 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,800 rear yard, and then 6 ft from the house. 175 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,080 So, you have this area in here where you 176 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,880 could fit a small ADU perhaps. 177 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,639 Uh, this is a lot kind of like the one 178 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:17,840 we were just looking at, but it's a 179 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,520 little shallower. 180 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,280 So, you went with that 25 ft rear 181 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,360 setback showing here, 6 ft from the 182 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,599 house, 30 ft again from that buildable 183 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,840 area. You see the the house right here. 184 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,680 they could add on coming to this area. 185 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,440 So that setback of 30 shows from the 186 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,319 buildable area instead of from the foam 187 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,599 itself and then 25 like 25 ft to the 188 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:40,720 street back here on the corner. 189 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,720 You have a kind of a narrow area, but 190 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,919 again there are some units that could 191 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:46,560 fit in there. Uh this is a this is a 192 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,080 good situation. Gary mentioned people in 193 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,840 the way they site their homes. Whoever 194 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,520 did this was thinking about an ADU in 195 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:52,639 the future that they couldn't possibly 196 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,479 have known about time and traveled back 197 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:56,639 and they got this is the best area of 198 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,479 all of them that we kind of randomly 199 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,479 sampled in uh given these kinds of 200 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:02,400 setbacks. 30 ft from the buildables and 201 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,560 they're built right to their line. 30 ft 202 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,599 from the buildables, they're built 203 00:08:05,599 --> 00:08:07,199 really close. 20 ft off still gives you 204 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,840 a nice big area in this this in this 205 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,400 middle of that lot. 11,296 206 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,560 ft. So it's not a huge lot. It's right 207 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,160 there just inside where we would allow 208 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,639 them under that state code. Here's a 209 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,520 culde-sac lot. It's a big lot, 13,500 210 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,440 ft², but it's a bigger footprint home 211 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,120 and taking up a bigger portion of that 212 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,440 lot. A lot of that lot is in this area 213 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,759 here. Um, some of that square footage is 214 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:31,680 just kind of lost. 30 ft off that 215 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,039 buildable setback, 25 ft from the rear. 216 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:36,159 So, you end up with a kind of an odd 217 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:37,680 shaped area that you could use. It might 218 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,399 be hard to sight one. 219 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:42,159 This one looks like it would be easy to 220 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,760 do. It's a little tougher. 30 ft from 221 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,760 the buildables gives you this area. and 222 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,600 that 25 foot rear set back. They don't 223 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,680 have a whole lot of space they could 224 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:51,600 build it. Again, some lots just will not 225 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,480 quite with this nook in their house. 226 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,920 They could have maybe gotten something 227 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,519 in here, but with that 30 foot off, 228 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:59,600 keeping them off of this house here, 229 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,600 it's a little tougher. 230 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,600 These again are just samples. We can't 231 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 show you all 5,800 square or 5,800 lots 232 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,760 in the city and how they would work. But 233 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,160 yeah, 234 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,959 >> and Jared, this is spec specifically as 235 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:14,399 it relates to detached statues. 236 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:14,880 So 237 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,959 >> some of these if it doesn't work for 238 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:19,519 detach they could do like a basement 239 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:20,160 ADU. 240 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,080 >> Absolutely. Absolutely. 241 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,920 >> They come into compliance with all of 242 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,120 those specific regions. 243 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,959 >> Yeah. Jack, let me go back up to the the 244 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:30,320 wrong word. When somebody realizes what 245 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,839 the right word I'm looking for here is, 246 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:33,920 say it and they'll remember. 247 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,200 >> This house has not been built to its 248 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,800 setbacks. So let's say they couldn't get 249 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,279 an ADU, a detached ADU, um, like Bren 250 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:40,480 was saying in the area that they want 251 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,680 here. They just can't find the one they 252 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,519 want to fit. they want to go bigger or 253 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,080 something. Our internal ADUs or attached 254 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,040 ADUs, this is a 255 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:47,920 >> I like internal. 256 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,720 >> Internal is a term, a different term. 257 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,959 Um, they could add on. They have space 258 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:54,399 they got on with their setback. So, they 259 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:56,240 could add on instead and do a nice ADU. 260 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Or they could maybe they've got enough 261 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,720 space in their basement right now. They 262 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,160 could do it. 263 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,640 >> That dash line in the [snorts] schematic 264 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,120 there is their buildable line for the 265 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,080 house on that lot. So they may not be 266 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,880 able to get the 267 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,839 detached ADU that they want, but they 268 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:16,640 certainly could add on to the house to 269 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,760 that crosshatch area, which they can do 270 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,920 now, and put a an ADU there. Correct. 271 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,800 >> internal. 272 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,760 >> Yeah, thank you. 273 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,040 >> That's that's a good that's a good 274 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,959 point. So all of the and all of these 275 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:33,120 lots, most of the zones would allow 276 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,279 internal ADUs. That that's a good fall 277 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:36,480 back. 278 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,040 This is this discussion is limited to 279 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,240 stadium use. Um let's see. We made it to 280 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,480 that one. Uh here's another one that 281 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,839 kind of works out better for the folks 282 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:47,279 that have this lot. It's a it's 283 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:50,079 straight. It's an exactly 11,000t lot. 284 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:51,519 Uh there's a nice area in here where you 285 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,000 could build a detached ADU 286 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,920 or again you could add on if you wanted 287 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,880 to an internal. Um, so those are kind of 288 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,640 our examples for the spacing for 289 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,560 setbacks to talk about and that's what 290 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,720 we're again the setbacks we're using in 291 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,560 these diagrams. 292 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,680 These examples are those maintaining a 293 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,000 25 ft rear and then going 30 ft from the 294 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,640 buildable areas on the adjacent lots and 295 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,240 6 ft from 296 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,399 >> that looks very fair. I like your work 297 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,200 there. That looks like you've addressed 298 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,760 concerns on all sides. It's 299 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,839 >> it's uh it would preclude some of these 300 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:27,360 kinds of things. 301 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,680 but allow other situations maybe to 302 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,880 work. So, um any discussions about that 303 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,800 before we talk about Pike stuff? 304 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,200 >> Um can you maybe and maybe you said this 305 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,560 already, I missed it, but can you tell 306 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,519 me of of the 11,000 square foot lots 307 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,839 that would qualify for this? How many of 308 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:46,160 those would that would these setbacks 309 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:46,959 restrict? 310 00:11:46,959 --> 00:11:50,160 >> I don't know. have to 311 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,360 we could survey all of the the eligible 312 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,519 11,000 foot lots and see and run this 313 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,120 kind of diagram on all of them. 314 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,640 >> But we could potentially be eliminating 315 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,519 50% or 60% or we have no idea. 316 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:02,720 >> We wouldn't be able to tell you that. We 317 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,519 have to run that. 318 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:04,959 >> My next question is how do these 319 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:07,680 setbacks compare to other cities? 320 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:08,480 >> That's a good question. 321 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,200 >> Other places. 322 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 >> That's a good question. They are um 323 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,920 there are several cities that run 324 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,320 programs that have the this you maintain 325 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800 20 or 25 ft from rear. A lot of them 326 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,079 have 10 foot sides. That's where I came 327 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:21,680 up with the 10 foot interiors in the 328 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,959 first place. Um the cities that are this 329 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:26,480 is maybe a good point to get to. Quinn 330 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,279 had asked about um are you there? 331 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:32,800 >> Uh yes, I'm here. 332 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,120 >> Awesome. So Quinn, you had asked about 333 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,480 um other cities and getting some 334 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,720 information from them and Jen's question 335 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,920 kind of goes to that. So, I'm going to 336 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,120 take a second and go through some 337 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,720 numbers if that's okay. 338 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,320 >> That would be be really great. Thank 339 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:44,880 you. 340 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,320 >> We we haven't heard back from everybody 341 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,320 we reached out to. It turns out that 342 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,680 planners are notoriously bad at 343 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:50,800 returning phone calls. I don't know if 344 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,079 you knew this. 345 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:52,639 >> I know. 346 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:55,200 >> I had no idea. [laughter] 347 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,000 >> Return mine. 348 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,399 >> Terrible. But waiting for a couple of 349 00:12:58,399 --> 00:12:59,839 cities to contact us back with some 350 00:12:59,839 --> 00:13:03,040 numbers, but just for a for a a I'm 351 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,399 going to start with the one to talk 352 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,160 about 353 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,360 um the setbacks. Um so in Murray for 354 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,240 example uh 10 foot rear setbacks, 10 355 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,079 foot side setbacks, 20 foot corner side 356 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:17,360 setbacks. Uh Salt Lake and but they have 357 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,959 with those setbacks they've got a total 358 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:22,399 of nine units right now. Um detached 359 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:23,040 units. 360 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,760 >> How long have they had that? 361 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 >> It has been more difficult until 362 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,200 recently until 2019. That's as of 2019 363 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,720 that it went to those setbacks. 364 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,959 Um 365 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:39,760 the South Salt Lake City, this is just 366 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,279 permit data from 2025 and 2026. Um they 367 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:47,279 have run 73 units and they've permitted 368 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:49,680 73 detached accessory dwelling units. 369 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,760 Most of those are between 400 and 600 370 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,200 ft² and almost all of them. 371 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,199 Yeah, that's the note. Almost all are 372 00:13:57,199 --> 00:13:59,279 for garage conversions. Uh, Salt Lake 373 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:01,360 City is allowing garage conversions for 374 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,480 detached accessory dwelling unit and 375 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,480 it's up right up to property lines. So, 376 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,320 that's a little different that probably 377 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,160 and that I'm assuming that accounts for 378 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,000 the greater numbers. It's just easier to 379 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 do those setbacks and when you're 380 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,199 putting them not just garage 381 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:14,320 conversions, but they're allowing them 382 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,040 over garages um as well. So, that's one thing. West Jordan allows 383 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,199 them at 15t rear property line setbacks 384 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:23,600 and 8ft internals 20 ft from corner 385 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,229 sides. Um, they've got 12 units. 386 00:14:27,229 --> 00:14:28,480 [clears throat] Bountiful started doing 387 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,880 this in 2008. The code now allows for 8 388 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,399 foot setbacks at the rear and side 389 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:36,639 property lines. Um they have 27 units 390 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,000 and Salt Lake County. Uh same as uh Salt 391 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,920 Lake City, they've got 20 total units in 392 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,519 unincorporated county. So places like 393 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,480 Magna and Karns and um Immigration 394 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Canyon, I suppose. White city. I could 395 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,079 keep listing them because I have a city 396 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:52,079 planner, but I'm going to stop there. 397 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:54,000 And unincorporated Salt Lake County, 20 398 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,720 units. uh they allow them at five feet 399 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,800 from property lines uh and one foot from 400 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,959 property lines is a garage a garage 401 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:02,720 conversion. They don't have a lot but 402 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,199 you know it's it's incorporating camp. 403 00:15:05,199 --> 00:15:06,399 So those are the numbers we've been able 404 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:08,480 to get so far. So they're kind of all 405 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,639 over the place on setbacks. Um and where 406 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:12,639 you have them at where you have them at 407 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,120 lower setbacks you do see greater 408 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,720 numbers of units and that that kind of 409 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,279 makes sense in Victoria. 410 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,360 So I think my concern is I did some 411 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,040 research into that too and that way you 412 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,720 came up with generally tracks. Murray 413 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,680 was 10 feet from uh rear and side. Salt 414 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Lake was uh 10 ft rear. Salt Lake City 415 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,959 was three feet from side and rear. 416 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:35,360 Colorado Springs was 5T rear side and 417 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,320 front. Um and Portland very by location. 418 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,160 But I think my point is I feel like that 419 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,680 this is kind of an outlier. 25 ft is 420 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,760 kind of an outlier for me. So, I think I 421 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,600 would feel more comfortable looking at 422 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,839 that again and seeing if we could maybe, 423 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:49,120 you know, release some of those because 424 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,959 I think my ultimate concern is the what 425 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:52,560 does the law say? It says that they need 426 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,160 to be reasonably what is it? 427 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,320 >> It can't be unreasonably difficult to 428 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,040 locate them. 429 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,720 >> It can't be unreasonably difficult to 430 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,000 locate them. So, I think we're trying to 431 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,040 balance two things. We're trying to 432 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,639 balance the privacy of the neighbors 433 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,800 with the ability of people to do with 434 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,240 their properties what they want in a way 435 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,639 that's not unreasonable. So, I would 436 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:10,240 argue that 25 feet is probably a little 437 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,279 extreme. And the other thing I'm 438 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,160 concerned about is the property um the 439 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,759 uh the 30 foot distance between 440 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:16,240 properties 441 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,279 >> the buildable to the 442 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:18,560 >> because that that brings up equity 443 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,079 issues for me. You know, well, you don't 444 00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:21,519 actually have anything there. You could 445 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:22,959 potentially put something there, but you 446 00:16:22,959 --> 00:16:24,160 might never, you might not if you build 447 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,199 first. Like there's just all kinds of 448 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:27,199 issues there. I would rather have us say 449 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:28,320 look, it needs to be 10 foot from a 450 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,920 fence line. And then either way, you're 451 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,839 going to be 20 ft between. 452 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:33,440 >> Yeah. No matter what, you'd always say 453 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 about 20. Some cases you might be. 454 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,560 >> That feels more fair to me. 455 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,759 >> Would be that would be the result of 456 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:41,600 that. So yeah, that's a conversation we 457 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,800 need to have. 458 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,240 >> So those are my concerns. 459 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,440 >> Will you remind me again what the 460 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,040 planning commission recommended? 461 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,600 >> The current recommendation is 20 is 10 462 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,120 ft from interior property lines. That 463 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,880 would include rears. Let me go back to 464 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,880 the diagram and just do it this way. So 465 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,399 the current recommendation would be 10 466 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:59,680 ft from all property lines that are 467 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,680 interior. So the rear and the sides, 468 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,360 your ADU would have to be 10 ft from 469 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,199 those and at least 20 ft from anybody 470 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:07,600 else's dwelling on their lot. So, if 471 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,520 they happen to be a sideyard up against 472 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,839 your rear lot area where you want to put 473 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,520 your ADU, you got to have 10 feet on 474 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,199 your side, then you have to be 20 ft 475 00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:16,640 from theirs. Well, if they happen to be 476 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,280 5 ft from their property on your side, 477 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,799 stay 20 ft off their building. That's 478 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:22,720 the current post. 479 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,000 >> Thank you. 480 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,799 >> And you need to remember that that those 481 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:29,120 standards came in to put that in the 482 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,440 staff report because state law doesn't 483 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,880 require a setback. state law would would 484 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,559 allow you to go right to the property 485 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:38,799 line. However, internally as staff, we 486 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,679 thought don't do that. Absolutely do not 487 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:44,960 go below 10 on any of these. Doesn't 488 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,960 mean you you shouldn't go higher or 489 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,799 couldn't go higher depending on 490 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,240 balancing those equities, but we felt it 491 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,360 important to make sure that the planning 492 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,320 commission and council knew we just 493 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,559 don't think you should go below 10 at 494 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:01,440 all. 495 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,039 >> Thank you. Well, and when I attended the 496 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:04,160 planning commission meeting where they 497 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,160 went over this ordinance, there were 498 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,400 some discussions that were being had and 499 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,320 it was interesting when I mentioned 500 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,360 about impact on surrounding properties. 501 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,600 Um, several of them were like, "Oh, we 502 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,559 didn't think of that." So, that would, 503 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:22,720 you know, what they what they designed 504 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,880 was property specific without looking at 505 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,520 impact on the surrounding neighbors. And 506 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,640 when that was pointed out, I felt like 507 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,200 in that meeting that there was some um 508 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,840 indication of 509 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,360 we missed that. 510 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,880 >> I have two other thoughts on um one you 511 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,720 and I had talked about um setbacks that 512 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,640 might be different in the rear setback 513 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,480 for properties that above a normal 514 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:52,880 residential. 515 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,799 >> Oh, for yeah, for commercial 516 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:55,919 >> commercial or like there's a school 517 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:56,960 behind you or there's a park behind you 518 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,200 or there's trail behind you. I mean like 519 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,640 that's I think having the I mean all the 520 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,840 way at the property line for me like 521 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,039 that's not going to impact anybody and I 522 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,400 think that those property owners deserve 523 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,600 to to do that. So 524 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 >> that's a good that's a good point. Non 525 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,919 non-residential properties or unused 526 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:11,919 open space properties park space that 527 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:12,480 kind of thing 528 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,400 >> but it does impact the neighbor next 529 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 door. There may not be someone behind, 530 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,360 but if I have a neighbor who has filled 531 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:22,080 their backyard with a 532 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,640 that impacts me and my quality of life. 533 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,400 >> Well, and that's how the side setbacks 534 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,960 would would impact that. So, the rear 535 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,720 setback I think could be different where 536 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,120 the side setbacks could be the same. 537 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,799 >> Um, I think if you're filling your 538 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:37,200 backyard with the dwelling, 539 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,440 that's a I'm talking about kind of a 540 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,480 little different impact there. Well, 541 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,840 certainly it would still be limited by 542 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,000 size and a number of other factors as 543 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,440 well. I don't think that they that would 544 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,480 give them license to build the whole 545 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,320 fence line in some giant building. I 546 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,679 think it would just mean they could be 547 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:54,080 closer to that than maybe someone else 548 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,760 who has a neighbor behind them. But it's 549 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,679 still if I'm in my h house. I mean, I 550 00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:59,039 have that right now, but the home's 551 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:01,360 being built behind me, right? I'm in my 552 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,799 house. I have this setback. I can see 553 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:07,520 over here cuz my neighbor has the same 554 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,120 setback. 555 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,559 If my neighbor fills their backyard with 556 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:16,480 20 foot tall building, that is then 557 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,039 impinging on my 558 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,799 um expectation of the zoning that was in 559 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:24,880 place when I moved in and built my 560 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,679 house. We're now increasing we're now 561 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:30,480 decreasing my sightelines, increasing um 562 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,000 and this isn't even you can't build 563 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,159 behind me, you know, nim stuff. this is 564 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:38,000 just normal expectation from an R8 565 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,799 um housing development. That's kind of 566 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,000 the way I'm looking at it, I guess, is 567 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,159 there's not just the rear, but there's 568 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:49,679 side impacts, too, that can affect the 569 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,080 quality of life of the people living on 570 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,000 either side of someone who fills their 571 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,720 backyard with a hatch to in other words, 572 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,720 another dwelling really. 573 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,679 >> So, I just want to make sure I 574 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:01,280 understand. So you're what you're saying 575 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,840 is is the rear the rear in uh setback 576 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,520 impacts 577 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:07,919 >> neighbors 578 00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:10,559 >> the side neighbors even if the if the 579 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,559 side setbacks remain the same if they 580 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,200 have is it's the rear imping back. Okay 581 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,720 make sure I understood. 582 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,679 >> Thank you. 583 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:20,240 >> My my other point was 584 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,480 and I don't know how to reconcile this 585 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,240 in my head but you have this house can 586 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,640 be 8 foot setbacks. So, we're saying, 587 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,000 well, your ADU can't be I mean, 10 or 20 588 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,360 or whatever, 30 feet from the other 589 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,559 property line, but I could extend my 590 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,000 house and I could go eight feet for 591 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,840 forever. And yeah, there's just this 592 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,919 sort of inconsistency between I could 593 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:39,039 build a giant house and it could be two 594 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:40,080 stories, it could be as tall as I want 595 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,559 and only 8 ft, but the ADU can only be, 596 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:43,760 you know, there's just a little bit of 597 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,280 >> I get what you're saying. So, like the 598 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,679 Yeah, the house can be 8 ft off, but the 599 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:49,840 ADU can't. ADU has to be 600 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,120 >> accessory dwelling has to be further 601 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,360 from my house. Your actual dwelling has 602 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:54,080 to be 603 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,600 >> Sure. And I, you know, and maybe that's 604 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,280 something we just sort of live with, but 605 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,559 I think I would like to see a little bit 606 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,159 more consistency. I think that's because 607 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:03,360 the ADU is subordinate to the home. Um, 608 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:04,320 and I'm just going to use my 609 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,000 neighborhood as an example with very 610 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,520 modest neighborhood. We all built our 611 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,919 homes 35, 40 years ago, right? I have 612 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:11,440 had several neighbors that have now 613 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,400 expanded their footprint their homes 614 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,240 because they can afford they want a 615 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,960 little more room now. So I think the 616 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320 fact that the reason the the footprint 617 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,240 for the home means um 618 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,520 uh I don't know what the right word is 619 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080 dominant superior whatever is for 620 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,320 whoever moves into that home whoever 621 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,559 builds that home they will always have 622 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,080 opportunity 623 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720 for that footprint and it will never be 624 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 impinged upon by a dwelling built next 625 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,120 door. So, it's kind of preserving 626 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:50,080 their any land owner's true opportunity. 627 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,799 That's the kind of the way I I feel like 628 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,840 you're presenting it. And that's 629 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,360 I think a key thing to 630 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,960 >> Well, and I just wonder if we're 631 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,799 incentivizing something we don't intend 632 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,640 to. Are we incentivizing people to build 633 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,320 more and closer to the fence line by 634 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,840 keeping that rule rather than saying, 635 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,799 "Okay, you're going to have a little bit 636 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,159 more flexibility, but the impact isn't 637 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,919 going to be quite as big if you build an 638 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,360 attached unit." 639 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,360 That's say that one more time. 640 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,200 >> Well, so I wonder if we're in by by 641 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,760 keeping the setback rules more strict. I 642 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,200 wonder if we're incentivizing people to 643 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,280 build more onto their houses than build 644 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,240 bigger 645 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,440 >> because they I would just build an 646 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,799 attached 647 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,400 >> So you could go up higher and farther 648 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,520 and the impact of the neighbor is going 649 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,120 to be greater than if we just let them 650 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,559 build a smaller 651 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,480 >> but but it would still be protected. 652 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Their expectation of the zoning in place 653 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,919 when they and like my next door neighbor 654 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:40,159 I know he's never going to go bigger 655 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:43,200 that footprint because he has the same 656 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,679 setbacks from the property line. those 657 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:48,320 are preserved and whoever moves in, 658 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,240 whoever does it, that's an expectation 659 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,039 that is always, you know, I can always 660 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,080 have confidence in. So, you want to add 661 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000 and put an ADU in there instead of 662 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,520 adding a family room on the back of your 663 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,600 house, that's your choice. 664 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,880 >> As long as you stay in that same 665 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960 footprint, I really can't say anything 666 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,559 about it. I mean, I can be upset or 667 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,799 whatever, you know, but it's really not 668 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,440 my call because you still preserved the 669 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,279 integrity of the zoning that was in 670 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,640 place when those homes 671 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,880 >> that's kind of my 672 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,400 guess. So, I mean, I see what you're 673 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,480 saying, but I think um I guess I'm 674 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,320 looking more longterm for whoever ends 675 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,799 up living in the home and the next door 676 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,360 neighbor who lives next to the home that 677 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,200 it's just going to stay equal and fair. 678 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,000 into the decades forward. [laughter] Um, 679 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,400 you know, because everyone can rely on 680 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,200 that. 681 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,279 >> I think there's also the expectation 682 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:49,200 that if I bought my home in a single 683 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000 family home neighborhood, I expect it to 684 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,000 do that. And so that detached unit 685 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,520 should be as unobtrusive as possible for 686 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,360 that family home feelings. That's part 687 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:09,669 of it for me. 688 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:10,400 question. 689 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,000 >> I think you answered all the questions. 690 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,600 >> I have a question that's a little bit 691 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,279 down the road. So, that's really nice to 692 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:16,960 be able to have that template to put 693 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,720 over a lot. So, if someone wants to 694 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,360 consider doing this, they come to you or 695 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,039 will you have something online that they 696 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,200 tool that they can say, okay, if I 697 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,960 wanted to do this, this is these are my 698 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,120 parameters. And it would be cool if we 699 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,400 could make it a tool so they could use 700 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,760 it on their lot. I'm not sure we could 701 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,120 do that cuz I don't know the technology 702 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,400 well enough, but we could certainly do 703 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,279 it. Help them see if it would work not 704 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,919 set by be neat if there was a way for 705 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:43,120 them to to use what we use to do it. 706 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,039 >> Produce these. That would be cool. 707 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,120 >> Whatever the council ends up deciding, I 708 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,880 would envision we would have something 709 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,000 like that that graphically reflects how 710 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880 the ordinance works on our website so 711 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,480 somebody could look at it and get a 712 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,640 rough idea. And again, every lot's a 713 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,799 little different. Sometimes the house 714 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:07,120 isn't as 30t deep. Sometimes it's 45 ft 715 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,360 deep. Sometimes they're at 25 ft. 716 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,120 Sometimes they're 30. 717 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,520 >> So, moves around a little bit. 718 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,120 >> An info sheet we would definitely have 719 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,640 put online and things like that. 720 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,760 >> Yeah. 721 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,679 >> And we take those kind of calls a lot 722 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,360 already. Not about detached ADUs because 723 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,480 right now we're just saying you have to 724 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,159 wait and see. 725 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,960 We get that a lot with um accessory like 726 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,400 sheds and garages. Where can I put it? 727 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,440 >> The other thing that comes 728 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,120 >> appreciate this conversation. Oh, go 729 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:33,840 ahead. I know. 730 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,480 >> Please. 731 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960 >> Um I appreciate the graphic. 732 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,720 >> That's Emma. Thank you, Emma. If you're 733 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,360 watching watching, you know, 734 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600 >> because it it helps me better helps me 735 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,720 visualize visualize this. I'm I I 736 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,880 appreciate I appreciate council member 737 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760 Millet what you're saying and and your 738 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,200 suggest and the suggestions that have 739 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,039 come to create this has helped me better 740 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,720 understand I I have I have some concerns 741 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,360 about the size of these setbacks. Uh one 742 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:06,080 of the reasons is I don't want the as a 743 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,960 state has mandated 744 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,080 uh that we allow ADUs 745 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,640 on 11,000 square foot lots. I don't want 746 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,520 to be construed as somebody trying to 747 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,039 make it unreasonably difficult to locate 748 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,400 to where we would be used as an example of 749 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,799 being unreasonably difficult to locate. 750 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,799 That one looked like a looked like one 751 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,039 of those little cat tunnels that would 752 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:33,600 go. 753 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,480 >> Oh yeah, 754 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,760 >> just whatever. But not but I also 755 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,400 recognize that we don't have to allow 756 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,279 a reasonable we don't every 11,000 plus 757 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,720 square foot lot doesn't have to 758 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,559 >> fit this either 759 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,799 >> that's in it's inevitable be lots that 760 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,480 it just whatever we wrote it 761 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,919 >> I need I need to think about 762 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,640 particularly the the ones the the I 763 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,000 understand the rear yard I'm just 764 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,080 thinking the 30 feet from the buildable 765 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720 area on each side and I and I get that 766 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,240 because some of those some of those 767 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:13,440 examples you used are are alarming and I would not want that but 768 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440 this is a good discussion to try and 769 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,960 figure out a balance. 770 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,880 >> I listened to ULCT's DAU discussion or 771 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520 they had a little webinar about that 772 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,720 2008 773 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,559 >> and I don't think that that setback 774 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,960 would be construed as unreasonable by 775 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,360 their definition. So, if you haven't 776 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,799 watched that, I would encourage you to 777 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,039 go watch that because they really do 778 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,600 break down what they feel like would be 779 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,440 construed as reasonable and unreasonable 780 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,159 in those situations. And my 781 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:43,760 interpretation of that is that this 782 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,840 would not be construed as unreasonable. 783 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,440 Um, and again, just because you have an 784 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,760 11,000 foot lot does not mean that you 785 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,120 are therefore have the right to have to 786 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,559 Yeah. There's there's not some right 787 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,320 that's inherent in having that size of 788 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,559 lot that you could then have this. There 789 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,039 are limitations on what that looks like 790 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,640 and and we are 791 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880 >> with the responsibility of determining 792 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,960 what that looks like to make sure that 793 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960 we're not 794 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,720 infringing on other people's property 795 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,120 rights and the the neighborhood feel and 796 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,279 all of that. And and a lot of what they 797 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:22,320 talked about in that was that 798 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,480 to to maintain the character of a single 799 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,039 family home neighborhood is okay. That's 800 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,960 part of what they're doing. This this 801 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,559 shouldn't 802 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,880 the ADU should not change that for 803 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,919 people. 804 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:35,840 >> So, I'll go back. I had to step away 805 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,360 from it partway through. So, I'll go 806 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760 back and and watch watch the whole thing 807 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,640 again. So, thank you. 808 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640 >> Great. 809 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440 >> Any other questions about that backs or 810 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,559 kind of how that might work? 811 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:49,919 >> I would almost say like you gave us 812 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:52,240 these unit numbers. I mean, I they 813 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,640 really don't help me unless I know what 814 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,399 percentage they are of homes. 815 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:57,039 >> Yeah. 816 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,760 >> Salt Lake City 73, but they have so many 817 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,120 more houses, right? So, and I'm just to 818 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,799 me when I look at these numbers that you 819 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,039 gave us, Salt Lake County is huge in 820 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,880 geographic area. 821 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,240 >> Um, it it actually just makes me think 822 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,320 this is a great tool for some people, 823 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320 but this is probably not the most 824 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480 desirable. We probably have more 825 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,720 interior ADU opportunities. 826 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,720 >> Probably have more interior adus than 827 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,360 >> Yeah. So, you know, I just feel like 828 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,799 we're um the people who are going to 829 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,399 want to do it are going to do it because 830 00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:32,720 they can and they're otherwise they're 831 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,679 >> they're going to be there are going to 832 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,840 be more more there always in every city 833 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,760 in most cases there's going to be more 834 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,399 opportunity for people to do interior ID 835 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:43,120 use. I think that's that's verifiable. 836 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,600 That just it's it's more cost effective 837 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,799 sometime. I guess there are times when 838 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:48,320 it wouldn't be, but it's generally been 839 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,000 it's been more cost effective. It's a 840 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 lot. You don't have to rerun the 841 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,679 utilities. You don't have to run more. 842 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,600 It's expensive to treasure utility lines 843 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,440 thing. So, the costs skyrocket pretty 844 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,799 quick on on detached, but some things 845 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,880 about that are changing. I think but I 846 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,840 think those numbers actually kind of 847 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,080 bear that out. Salt Lake City is is a 848 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,520 big place. They've been doing for a lot 849 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,679 longer and 73 seems like a big number 850 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,159 until you take it in context. It's still 851 00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:14,000 the other thing that happens is if if 852 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,360 you have a really narrow lot, a small 853 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,039 lot, you're trying to make things fit. 854 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,480 We have these setbacks, and this is true 855 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,799 of everything, not just detached 856 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,080 accessory dwelling units, but you're 857 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,279 putting up a shed, you're putting up a 858 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:24,880 garage, and you want to put it further 859 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,720 toward your property line. This doesn't 860 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,159 even take into account the easements 861 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:29,360 that are probably there. There's 862 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,039 probably a seven or an eight or a 10ft 863 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,440 easement that you may have to get, if 864 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,799 we're allowing it, even if we allow you 865 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,960 to go in there, you have to get it 866 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,559 vacated or get a waiver from all the 867 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,000 utility companies. one of those utility 868 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 companies won't vacate or won't wave, 869 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,440 you don't build in that area, regardless 870 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,880 of what our setbacks do or don't 871 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,440 require. So, that's out there, too. And 872 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,279 that might kill some projects otherwise 873 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,039 if people are, well, I'm going to add on 874 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,320 to my garage. It's back here. It's only 875 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,399 a foot off. My garage is non-conforming 876 00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,559 because it's built in. Won't let us give 877 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,480 a new permit to put the That's going to 878 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,399 happen to anybody. Easements are unless 879 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:06,000 you're an engineer, you like 880 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,760 >> necessary. 881 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,549 Um so you say 882 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,120 Jared how how 883 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,080 quality assurance work you take the 884 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,480 total amount of 885 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,200 possible products 886 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,080 would say we'll take a random sample of 887 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,919 a square root of that and then that was 888 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,919 a representative sample that would then 889 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,760 help you figure out what was uh the 890 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,480 likely outcome um if applied to 891 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,000 everything. So maybe we could take a 892 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,399 bigger random sample. So if if there's a 893 00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:48,960 total of 5,000 11,000 plus square foot 894 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,720 single family lots in the city, take the 895 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,039 square root of that number, you random 896 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,880 amount of them. Why these setbacks? 897 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,399 Um and then and see if it is it does 898 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:05,760 that does that mean a majority of those 899 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,440 wouldn't be able to do a detached or a 900 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,039 minority 901 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,360 know would be restricted and 902 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,279 >> so I I don't know that I need you to do 903 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,240 that. I to me this that that's data is 904 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,080 great, right? But to give you the the 905 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480 charge to go do that. I I don't know 906 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,480 that that's the key um determinant. 907 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,679 Maybe other council members feel 908 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:31,360 differently, but I kind of hate 909 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,679 offloading that to you guys. I don't see 910 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,559 that as relevant data to the extent that 911 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,480 I can use it. 912 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,159 >> I would have to teach the 913 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:42,320 >> decision planners what a square root is 914 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480 first. 915 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640 I mean data is great but how do you 916 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,799 apply it right? How does it affect 917 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,039 >> it? It's important but it's one of 918 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,880 several things that we're looking at 919 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,240 decision points. Yeah. 920 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,320 >> It's also something that we could do if um not that I'm obsessed with 921 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,799 deadlines. My whole life is deadlines. 922 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,200 So it's also something we could do if um 923 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960 if something is passed and then we're 924 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 concerned that it was overly restrictive 925 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,359 or not restrictive enough or if it if it 926 00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:12,480 made it too available. You know what I 927 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,359 mean? Um, and it 928 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:17,520 >> Yeah, but it's something we could do. I 929 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,079 could do a T-square list right now. 930 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:21,760 >> I think that's another great point. We 931 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,839 have to come up with something by August 932 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:25,679 or October 1st. That's what we're 933 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,839 charged with by the state. It doesn't 934 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:32,240 mean that we can't revisit this and and 935 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,119 change things later. Um, 936 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,200 loosening things up is a lot easier than 937 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,839 reeling them back in. So I I think that 938 00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:43,040 there is some prudence in starting with 939 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,679 >> maybe a tighter 940 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,839 ordinance to begin with and then as we 941 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,240 see the practical implications of it we 942 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:56,240 can decide what what changes would need 943 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,160 to happen. We have that ability 944 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,400 >> and as an example of that uh recently we 945 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,560 worked and redefined the building 946 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,680 envelope 947 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,320 >> right 948 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040 >> uh of that you can build heights you 949 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,880 know when we had a situation where 950 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,839 people have built the envelope was their 951 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,320 home and that didn't seem to be good so 952 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640 we came up with a new way of looking at 953 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,119 the envelope and I can tell you it was 954 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,000 our best estimate and best guess we 955 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,760 didn't go through every single property 956 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,680 and try and look at it what they could 957 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,800 do. But what we're doing as people come 958 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,440 in and if an issue comes up uh we work 959 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,240 through it or if we run into something 960 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,880 that okay we didn't anticipate this. 961 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,640 What we would do is come back to the 962 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,920 council and say okay this is the 963 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,240 ordinance we passed. It was our best 964 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,160 estimate of what happened. we now run 965 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,560 into this situation and a a property 966 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,119 owners in this uh trying to build this. 967 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,520 Did we mean to capture and stop this 968 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,079 from happening? And if we did, great. We 969 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:05,599 leave the ordinance alone. And if we 970 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,880 didn't, then we could tweak the 971 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,800 ordinance. And there's some simple 972 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560 tweaks that we could do uh with that. 973 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,960 but an ordinance like this, if 974 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,280 you're asking me and Jared, is this 975 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,960 going to be the best ordinance ever 976 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,880 written on this and it will never need 977 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,839 to be amended? Well, yeah. Well, no, it 978 00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:27,760 won't. Uh because it never is. And as we 979 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,320 get experience applying it in the real 980 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 world, we may run across some things 981 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,960 like, yeah, we're capturing things that 982 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,280 nobody really thought that was a 983 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680 problem. Or it may be, yeah, that's 984 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,599 exactly what we wanted to stop from 985 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,320 happening. This would be a big impact. 986 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,560 So all of our ordinances as we have ex 987 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,800 real life experience with them, we'll 988 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,359 come back to you and and update you on 989 00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:56,960 it. And like the uh the building height 990 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000 or the building envelope one and this 991 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720 one as we go on, you know, we could just 992 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,160 schedule out 6 months, 9 months from 993 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,000 enactment, we would come back and give 994 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,720 you an update on how this ordinance is 995 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,160 actually working. So you actually know 996 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,400 what the effect is that it's having on 997 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,190 the community. 998 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,680 » Thank you. Council members, any other 999 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,760 questions? I know I I say you've still 1000 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,160 got 20 minutes, 25 minutes. 1001 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560 >> Got two other categories to go through. 1002 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,520 >> All [laughter] right. 1003 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520 >> Because we we did talk about as well in 1004 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,359 that in that in the previous meeting we 1005 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:38,560 talked about [laughter] 1006 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,240 and again we were we kind of um 1007 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,839 in the interest of making the deadlines 1008 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,640 work, we spitballled a lot of these um 1009 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,280 suggestions. So, looking at heights, we 1010 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,720 had originally said um 1011 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,240 oh my gosh, I can't as I'm sitting here 1012 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,839 remember what we had allowed before and 1013 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,480 I can't remember. I I apologize. This is 1014 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,079 just this was a diagram that Emma did 1015 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,040 for us to show really simply and rel 1016 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,839 relatively what 14 ft would look like 1017 00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:08,240 next to a typical home. This is a 30-ft 1018 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,400 tall home that would allow and like a 1019 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,920 home on an adjacent lot. This is showing 1020 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,240 that 25t rear setback, etc. So this is 1021 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,160 where it would live an ADU in the kind 1022 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,680 of setbacks that we're talking about 1023 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,280 here. And with respect to um this 1024 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,760 actually doesn't show the 25 ft that on 1025 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,359 the property. Sorry, it's different. 1026 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,680 This was from before, but this is the 1027 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,040 kind of mass you'd be looking at. This 1028 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,040 is a flat roof at 12 ft. Um 1029 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,359 we're looking at um the kinds of things 1030 00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:38,480 at a graded graded height allowance. So 1031 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,200 the minimum setbacks that we require 1032 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,480 say something like and these are again 1033 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,400 just kind of spitball numbers a flat 1034 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,240 roof could have 12 ft of allowable 1035 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,240 height at the setback that's required 1036 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,240 the minimum and then give it a one for 1037 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,839 one increase as it gets further into the 1038 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:57,280 itself up to 16 ft for the flat roof and 1039 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,440 then pitch roofs 14 ft at the minimums 1040 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,240 and up to 18 ft to get more on the 1041 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,320 interior of the line. We've been um 1042 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,520 a little higher than that on the 1043 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240 previous the current proposal is greater 1044 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,240 than that. I I wish I I'd left the slide 1045 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:13,520 that showed that and I took it out at 1046 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,800 the last minute 1047 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,839 >> thinking. So 1048 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,480 >> you want to know what? Yeah, we have you 1049 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,520 want to know what the current It's 20T 1050 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,400 for uh pitched and 14 for flat. 1051 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,440 >> Flat. Okay. 1052 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,480 >> Current. 1053 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040 >> There you go. 1054 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,200 >> And no increases, right? That's just 1055 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,160 straight. 1056 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640 >> Straight. This would this would be and 1057 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,599 these are again just numbers. Um some of 1058 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,680 it is related to just ceiling heights 1059 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,000 that people like to use. 12 foot would 1060 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,760 accommodate uh for flat roofs. Let me 1061 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,440 just show you a picture. 12T would 1062 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,200 easily accommodate a flat roof. This is 1063 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,200 a converted OnX um unit. Uh it would 1064 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,960 accommodate these. They're they're 1065 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,400 technically flat roofs under our 1066 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,720 definition of 312. So, and this one is 1067 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,160 you can see the interior of this unit 1068 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,680 pretty well. It's nice. You can nice 1069 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,599 high ceiling. This is a unit 1070 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:04,720 specifically designed for 1071 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,520 exhibitionists. There's no shades on it. 1072 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,440 >> And and what Jared's talking about is 1073 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,800 one of the big pushes for 1074 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,800 patch 1075 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680 or conx. They're shipping containers 1076 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,760 shipping those 1077 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,839 >> modules and you bring them in and you uh 1078 00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:28,240 you can buy some on Amazon. Now 1079 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,880 >> I think that's the same structure. It's 1080 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,920 a It's 1081 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,200 >> looking at it. It looks like it's the 1082 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,839 same structure. 1083 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:35,119 >> The daytime version. 1084 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,310 >> Yeah. 1085 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,720 » It looks taller in the dark, doesn't it? 1086 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,478 >> Just how it is. 1087 00:40:44,488 --> 00:40:44,640 [clears throat] 1088 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,400 >> Dark is magical. So, 1089 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,760 >> but it would accommodate those kinds of 1090 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,560 units. And then, 1091 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,040 >> so can I ask you something? Well, 1092 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,560 >> so and maybe I don't know if chief if 1093 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200 you know this. I someone today told me 1094 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,440 that those structures are very 1095 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200 questionably 1096 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,880 their safety 1097 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,640 >> questionable in their safety for fire 1098 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,760 codes and things like that. Do we that 1099 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,280 might be something in our list six 1100 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,880 months from now or a year from now to 1101 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,240 look at is I I I would like to get some 1102 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,760 feedback. I don't I don't necessarily 1103 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,960 want to do that 1104 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,200 >> now because of the deadline, but I think 1105 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,560 that would be something we might want to 1106 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,680 look into. They would have to meet all 1107 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,240 uh the international residential code, 1108 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,040 international fire code that 1109 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,599 >> they couldn't they couldn't not be safe. 1110 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:32,960 >> Oh. Oh, really? 1111 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,880 >> Yeah. They they wouldn't be allowed. 1112 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,599 They have they would have to fire code 1113 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:38,560 >> to be habitable. 1114 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,599 >> I mean, there are different levels of 1115 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,920 fire code. No, 1116 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,839 >> this person made it sound like I would 1117 00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:45,680 never stay a night in one of those 1118 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,119 >> code for your house would be what would 1119 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,040 be required for this 1120 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,589 >> same code. 1121 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,119 And we and we that's written in the 1122 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,240 ordinance too. It has to meet those 1123 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,200 codes. 1124 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,400 >> So it might just be quality of 1125 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640 materials. 1126 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,119 >> Sure. 1127 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,400 >> So the the 18 ft for pitched roofs uh 1128 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,680 that would accommodate something like 1129 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,760 the that would let you build a tall 1130 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,599 enough wall like a 12ft wall inside so 1131 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,760 you could have a loft that was usable 1132 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,880 because there are rules about how you 1133 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200 have to be able to stand up and stuff. 1134 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680 you'd need a pitch roof to do for flat 1135 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,560 roofs to go and allow um any kind of 1136 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,160 loft space would be really difficult. 1137 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,079 Even 16 would be the bare minimum and 1138 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,599 that might not work either. So, 1139 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,599 >> how do these heights compared to what 1140 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:30,800 other cities are doing? 1141 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,319 >> I don't have a lot of data on the 1142 00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,079 heights for cities. Most of them are 1143 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,520 like they're they're related to their 1144 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,960 accessory structure code. So, they're 1145 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040 going to be 18 or 20 and a couple of 1146 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680 them have like 12 foot heights. 1147 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520 Again, they're kind of around. most from 1148 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,640 18 to 20. 1149 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,760 >> Why would the flat roof minima be 1150 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,319 different than 1151 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:52,800 >> the because of the massing um with the 1152 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,200 flat roof? I guess I I don't know. 1153 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,800 That's a good question. It may not it 1154 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,960 may not be relevant with with respect to 1155 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,319 these structures. That may not be 1156 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,240 relevant. I worry about the flat roofs 1157 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,440 or we worried about the height of flat 1158 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839 roofs with the the building envelope 1159 00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,839 ordinance that we're just talking about. 1160 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,720 That may not be as relevant here. 1161 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,160 have flat roofs on the brain. 1162 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,240 >> I'm just a little concerned because I 1163 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,240 also did research on what other cities 1164 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,839 are doing. And I went out and looked and 1165 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:21,040 measured brought my tape measure out and 1166 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,560 said, "How tall is this?" You know, and 1167 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,280 I 12 is like the very lowest of low you 1168 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,119 could maybe get agree with. And and I 1169 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,200 think it's just almost too low, 1170 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,119 >> even another couple of feet just to 1171 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,760 give, you know, a little bit of latitude 1172 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,200 because by the time you get the roof and 1173 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,359 insulation and all the things like it's 1174 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,280 >> Yeah. You need you need so the wall you 1175 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,839 don't want the walls to be typical walls 1176 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:43,920 now are going to be at least 8 ft in a 1177 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,520 house and they're maybe going to in new 1178 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,119 construction they're going to be maybe 1179 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,720 so another foot and a half of structure 1180 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,040 would get you that flat roof at 12. 1181 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,880 >> Yes. And I think that would be an 1182 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,319 outlier from most of the ordinances I 1183 00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:56,079 saw they were significantly higher like 1184 00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,560 20 or I'm not advocating for 20 was too 1185 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,560 low. I got you. I I I think most of them 1186 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,839 are based on they've just looked at 1187 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:03,839 their accessory their accessory 1188 00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:06,000 structures in general like garages and 1189 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,319 sheds and said we allow up to 18 ft or 1190 00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:10,079 20 ft. Just use that code 1191 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,000 >> so it doesn't stand out on the 1192 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,359 >> right. You're trying to again it's got 1193 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:14,960 to be it ought to be le and the other 1194 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,359 thing is yeah not taller than the 1195 00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,599 primary dwelling that kind of thing. 1196 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:20,960 >> I wanted mine to look like one of those 1197 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,359 fire training guys will come over. It's a 1198 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:32,790 good question. 1199 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,560 » Eat a lot. 1200 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,480 >> Yes, we do. 1201 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,680 >> We do too. 1202 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,760 >> 12 foot. You say then you could have 1203 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,119 like a 9 foot ceilings and have plenty 1204 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,119 have another three foot for insulation. 1205 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,800 You only need a foot and a half 1206 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,119 insulation. 1207 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,960 >> So do 10 foot. 1208 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,319 >> You could do it. I think one of the 1209 00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,079 other reasons that I looked at it this 1210 00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,000 way and said, you know, lower for the 1211 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,440 flat roof than for the base roof is 1212 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,760 because we're not allowing in this code, 1213 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,760 I didn't leave it written in here, but 1214 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,000 the ADU code isn't allowing that we've 1215 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,599 proposed is not allowing for second 1216 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,920 stories, only lofts. So, I was trying to 1217 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,920 get with 16 ft at least a loft or a 1218 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,480 small loft for a flat roof and 18 to 1219 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,960 allow a a small loft in a pitched roof 1220 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,880 situation like this. But, yeah, you 1221 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,040 might it that's what I'm thinking is 1222 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,200 there's no second story. So, I'm not 1223 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,280 sure why a flat roof needs to be 18 feet 1224 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,280 or something in the, you know, not sure 1225 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,319 why a flat roof structure needs to have 1226 00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:35,599 ceilings or whatever 1227 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:36,880 since we don't allow the second stories, 1228 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,200 but it could allow better lofts to that 1229 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,800 point. I'm not sure that it matters 1230 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,240 really something you guys have to 1231 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,040 decide. It I know why it mattered for us 1232 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,640 envelope heighting houses and I just 1233 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,920 kind of transferred that thinking to 1234 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,359 this and it may not be relevant for 1235 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:51,599 these. I don't know. 1236 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,599 That's a good question. 1237 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,550 >> So, I have a question on 1238 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,240 for the flat roof when there is the 1239 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,760 small pitch to it. 1240 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,280 >> Um, 1241 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:12,880 do we have that the pitch of that has to be towards the 1242 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,040 main resident's house? 1243 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,960 >> That's not at all. No, 1244 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,240 >> I worry about the runoff. Yeah, 1245 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,920 >> that's so far off the property line 1246 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,640 anyway that wouldn't 1247 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,280 >> Yeah, 1248 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,839 >> potentially. I mean, it depends on 1249 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:29,839 around that all 1250 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:32,000 >> paved or you know, have they paved up 1251 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,760 the line? Have they 1252 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,280 >> any of those things? 1253 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,640 >> Yeah, we didn't really we didn't talk 1254 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,280 about orientation of the of the roof. 1255 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440 >> So, to her point, the hardscape could be 1256 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,359 a concern. 1257 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,200 If they have hardscape in the eight foot 1258 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,480 setback, then that's totally and and you 1259 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,280 do the the raid. 1260 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,720 >> Yeah. 1261 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,319 >> Well, I guess we need to think about 1262 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:55,839 that because that could flood the 1263 00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:59,030 neighbor. 1264 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,119 » And we do this with um we would probably 1265 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,079 review that as 1266 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,440 I can look at what we've written in our 1267 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,040 accessory structure code. I don't think 1268 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,560 we have anything about that, but with 1269 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,400 building permits, we always look at 1270 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,079 drainage. you you have to maintain your 1271 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:13,119 drainage on your own property 1272 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,200 regardless. So, whatever we wrote here, 1273 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,560 >> we have to [snorts] deal with that. And 1274 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,760 there's lots of cases where people have 1275 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,040 to install kind of a waterway at the 1276 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,560 edge of their because they paved right 1277 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,319 up to the sides. We would look at that 1278 00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:23,200 kind of thing. 1279 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,800 >> And I guess that would be the fix, 1280 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,200 right? Is to put the herb. 1281 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,079 >> Yeah. And 1282 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,920 >> so it disates the water. 1283 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,000 >> Yeah. And and with residential lots, so 1284 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000 this is a good this is a good point. And 1285 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,520 we could talk for an hour about this. We 1286 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,640 won't, but we could. 1287 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,839 >> You got 10 minutes. 1288 00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:39,680 >> Got 10 minutes. And I'll be I'll be 1289 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,720 >> then we're going to eat our dinner. 1290 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,000 >> I'm not making promises. No, I'm just 1291 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,240 kidding. The with residential lots, the 1292 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,480 thinking is always so drainage is really 1293 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,000 complicated on commercial lots where a 1294 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,240 lot of the lot is pavement or rooftop or 1295 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,160 whatever. On residential lots, the 1296 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,480 thinking is always that everything just 1297 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,920 it's that's a lot of lawn and then the 1298 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,359 driveways all slope to the street. So 1299 00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:58,480 everything in the building code is 1300 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,640 saying the water has to go away from the 1301 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,800 house and then down toward the street. 1302 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000 the more things that take up that uh 1303 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000 pvious surface and make it impervious to 1304 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,520 the backyard or the rear, the front 1305 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,359 yard, what have you, then the more that 1306 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:14,560 drainage is not like typical old old 1307 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,839 style thinking we start to worry about 1308 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:18,160 it. So, we don't have in our code a 1309 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,720 coverage requirement for imperous 1310 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,040 surface for residential. 1311 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,559 We could, we probably should. As lots 1312 00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,319 get smaller and homes get bigger. Some 1313 00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:30,559 of these homes are gigantic. And that as 1314 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,200 that box fills up, the more of that box 1315 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,880 on new properties, how that box gets 1316 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,319 filled up, that's just more runoff and 1317 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:41,920 less lawn absorbing that water. And then 1318 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,839 um you have you have less likelihood 1319 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,119 that all that drains out to the front. 1320 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,359 All of that is just to say that when you 1321 00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:49,680 look at a property, let's just take this 1322 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,359 house for example in this picture 1323 00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,280 because randomly here it is. There's 1324 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,040 plenty of lawn absorbing water and this 1325 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,880 driveway is sloping down to that street. 1326 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,640 Everything is supposed to do that. They 1327 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,240 put an ADU in the backyard because they 1328 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,240 pave they put a foundation here because 1329 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,000 it meets our requirements. Whatever. 1330 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,599 Part of its process will be to look at 1331 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:06,720 that and say that's got to drain out 1332 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,480 toward the front too or it's got to 1333 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,079 drain into the lawn so that it can 1334 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,880 percolate draining on a hard surface 1335 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,880 that should all be sloping theoretically 1336 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,160 up toward the front and out to the 1337 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,319 street. And probably there are no 1338 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,000 violations of that anywhere in the city. 1339 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,000 I'm sure it's all working perfectly. 1340 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,839 >> Well, we're all gunshy right from that storm two years ago. I had two 1341 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:28,400 three houses flooded. They flooded three 1342 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,119 feet in the walls. So, 1343 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,240 >> it's something we should look at. 1344 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,960 >> And a lot of communities have impervious 1345 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000 surface lot coverage limit that you 1346 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,440 can't go above a certain percentage and 1347 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,480 so you have to have spaces for that type 1348 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,880 of thing. But ORM does not have such an 1349 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520 >> but don't isn't our landscaping minimum 1350 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,079 landscaping requirement kind of 1351 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,839 >> indirectly 1352 00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:57,760 >> but is that only in the front yard 1353 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,559 >> that's for the front yard but in the 1354 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,640 rear yard you know one of the things 1355 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,440 that we haven't talked about yet and and 1356 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,520 I don't know what to do with it is 1357 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,920 people taking up the backyard and 1358 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,480 putting in concrete for parking because 1359 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,559 now I can drive into the back or 1360 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,720 something like that and 1361 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:21,119 >> sports or sport courts and pickle ball 1362 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,839 and lots of things. 1363 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:26,000 >> Yeah, it's it's it's something that has 1364 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000 it's on our radar, but I think we can in 1365 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,839 the immediate now. I think we can deal 1366 00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:31,839 with the drainage through the building 1367 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:34,000 and we would we'd like more tools in the 1368 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,640 future though as it goes on. Jerry, can 1369 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,559 you when you're addressing these 1370 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,119 heights, can you help us know what 1371 00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,119 process we come to to determine whether 1372 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,440 a height is good, adequate, sufficient? 1373 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,960 Because I mean, I arbitrarily be like, 1374 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,319 "Yeah, 10 feet sounds great, but like 1375 00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:49,440 what does that actually mean? Has a 1376 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,720 builder weighed in on this? Are there 1377 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:51,920 standards that weigh in on this?" Like, 1378 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,599 what tells us if that's reasonable or 1379 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:54,559 not reasonable? 1380 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,319 >> Just talking to builders about what 1381 00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:57,920 works and looking at home plans and 1382 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,119 things, that's all I've done. 1383 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,880 >> We have builders that have said 12 foot 1384 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,920 minimum is reasonable. 1385 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,200 >> I have builders that have said that to 1386 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,280 me personally. online builders have told 1387 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,400 me, 1388 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:07,760 [laughter] 1389 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,119 >> internet builders have said, 1390 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,520 >> "What are these online builders who are 1391 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,160 >> I know a lot of online people 1392 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,319 >> and our experience 1393 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:17,760 with building inspection and 1394 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,400 planchecking as residential homes come 1395 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,319 in and looking at them. What are the 1396 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:26,720 trends for heights? uh walls ex you know 1397 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,000 and it's anywhere from 8 ft to 10 ft now 1398 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,720 the walls so that you can have a vaulted 1399 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,319 ceiling or 10 ft if it's not vaulted you 1400 00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,319 most homes you go into now you know 1401 00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:40,960 you're looking at 10ft ceilings that's 1402 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,520 kind of the style 1403 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,640 um which ironically from 100 years ago 1404 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,040 is actually smaller 1405 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,319 >> were 100 years ago 1406 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:51,839 >> there are some pretty tall walls anymore 1407 00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:53,839 in the interior so we're looking at I I 1408 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:55,200 10 is kind of the baseline for 1409 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,720 >> what's the third thing? We're stopping 1410 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:57,200 you again. 1411 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,880 >> Yeah, I'm sorry. The third thing is 1412 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,559 overall size. We we um and it's not a um I I don't have any any 1413 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,559 data for you here other than as we look 1414 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,599 at the numbers from so we had we had 1415 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,839 proposed um 850 or 6 you know 1416 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:14,240 >> 6 1417 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:19,520 >> 650 to 850 to a,000 and those those 1418 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,760 footprints looked bigger in real life on 1419 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,400 those plans that we laid out than we had 1420 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,640 kind of envisioned them. um talking 1421 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,839 about this with the planning commission 1422 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,920 last week as well just in letting them 1423 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,960 know kind of where we were in the 1424 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,559 process and then looking at some of the 1425 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,160 units that are out there. There are a 1426 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,079 lot of smaller units and they seem to be 1427 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:37,200 pretty popular. The most popular of 1428 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,000 these ConXes is four is the 400 model. 1429 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,240 That's 400 ft. That's pretty popular. 1430 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,559 It's affordable. Even that one's 108,000 1431 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:48,559 without ground market stuff. Um so they 1432 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:49,680 get expensive as they get bigger, 1433 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,240 especially stick building them. Um, just 1434 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,880 as a as an example, uh, in West Jordan 1435 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,640 there are 12 total units and 10 of those 1436 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,359 12 total units right now are under 1,000 1437 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:03,440 square ft. Four of them are 800s and 1438 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,240 then they go 700s down to four. I don't 1439 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,400 know that we need to go as high as 1440 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,559 that,000 ft. If people feel more 1441 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,000 comfortable about getting the ordinance 1442 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000 done, I don't think we'd be hurting 1443 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400 anybody by reducing the sizes that we 1444 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,280 proposed. 1445 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,240 >> What size do you think recommendation? 1446 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,040 >> Hard. It's hard to say. 1447 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,280 There are plenty of 300 unit 300 foot 1448 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,680 units. There are lots of 400 foot units. 1449 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,359 There's probably not as I look at if 1450 00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:30,559 these are the kinds of setbacks that 1451 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,839 we're going to be looking at. Um, most 1452 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:36,800 of these would not need to accommodate 1453 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,839 more than 3 and 400 ft. 650 ft might 1454 00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:42,800 start to feel big for an ADU. Um, 800 is 1455 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,160 certainly plenty big. I don't think 1456 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,200 there's any need to go into the 1457 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:45,920 thousands. 1458 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,040 >> Yeah. Um, if I could share an example, 1459 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,200 my first home in War was 800 ft on the 1460 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,040 main floor. Had two bedrooms, a 1461 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,040 bathroom, a front room, and a narrow 1462 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,480 kitchen. So, 800 ft is pretty good size. 1463 00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,119 >> What do you think? 1464 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:00,240 >> Work. I mean, it works. Yeah, 1465 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,000 >> it worked. 1466 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,440 >> So, we could we could significantly 1467 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,960 reduce and I'm not seeing a whole bunch 1468 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,000 of ADUs that are larger um in in just 1469 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,520 the sort of limited spotty looking at 1470 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,559 it. we've done. Um, 1471 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:15,920 I don't really be hurting anything if we 1472 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,680 reduce that size. How does everybody 1473 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,280 feel about that? Is that a 1474 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,640 >> I don't know that they're designed to be 1475 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,880 really big. I think for a mother-in-law 1476 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,880 or for, you know, a young married couple 1477 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,000 or 1478 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,359 >> Yeah, we're not trying to house me and 1479 00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:30,400 my six kids. 1480 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,072 >> I think my first house was like four. 1481 00:54:33,072 --> 00:54:34,240 [laughter] 1482 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,119 >> Um, yeah. So, I'll I'll probably start 1483 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,760 looking at bringing those sizes down and 1484 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,839 uh we'll we'll we'll do that. So, we've 1485 00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,000 got looking at vote on our agenda items 1486 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,800 coming this this evening and we've got 1487 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440 two more city council meetings before 1488 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,119 this ordinance needs to be adopted 1489 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,280 council. Just so you know, we have 1490 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,720 meetings two meetings in September the 1491 00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,359 8th and the 22nd. 1492 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,079 So, are we are we working is this going 1493 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,000 to be another on the work session on the 1494 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,760 25th as well? 1495 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,960 >> It's up to you. Um, I can bring back I 1496 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,920 need to um 1497 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,240 >> we need to corral you in on the setbacks 1498 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:14,720 a little. 1499 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,480 >> The setbacks feel like we're I think 1500 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,440 we're probably going to be okay in 1501 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,440 heights as a as a group. 1502 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,319 >> As a group, I I'm not I'm struggling 1503 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,880 with the size of those setbacks a bit. 1504 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,599 Not a great reduction, but a reduction 1505 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,359 from that. So, I I understand and 1506 00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:32,079 respect where brothers are coming from. 1507 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,559 >> Okay. on that just so you know. 1508 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:38,559 >> But specificity, the 25 foot for the 1509 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:39,520 rear or the 30? 1510 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,559 >> 30. The 30 foot. 1511 00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,160 >> The 30 is bothering you from the sides. 1512 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,160 And I'm feeling like the 25 to the rear 1513 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,960 is bothering you. 1514 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,800 >> The 30 is bothering me and the 25. 1515 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,799 >> Both. Okay. 1516 00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,160 >> Council members, other feedback. 1517 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,000 >> Yeah. Where's the rest of you? 1518 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,240 >> So, I'm the 30 from the side. Uh, I 1519 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,760 would be concerned with I I like the 1520 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,680 8 ft or 10 ft in the 10 ft in 1521 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,789 sights. 1522 00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:10,240 » If this rear lot setback that we're 1523 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,040 proposing, if we kept the 10s on the 1524 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,079 interiors and if we dropped the 30 from 1525 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,680 the sides, but kept the 20. So, sorry, 1526 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:20,720 this is going to sound complicated. I'll 1527 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,559 be I'll 1528 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,400 if we dropped the 30 ft from the 1529 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,160 buildable area but kept at least 20 ft 1530 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,200 from anybody else's home existing home 1531 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,960 or whatever and then gave an exception 1532 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,000 to people that let's say I own this home 1533 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,599 somebody builds their ADU right here and 1534 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,119 now when I put my addition on that I 1535 00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,040 want to build by right I can't because 1536 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,480 I'm going to be closer to their ADU than 1537 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,000 I'm supposed to be if we wrote in an 1538 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,760 exception so they weren't penalized by 1539 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,760 that proximity would that be 1540 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,920 >> then you're creating legal nonconformity 1541 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,280 I I don't think that's good planning. 1542 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,480 >> Well, specifically would be trying to 1543 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,319 avoid creating legal non-conforming by 1544 00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:55,760 doing that. I think 1545 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,599 >> Well, cuz you're then you have an ADU 1546 00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,680 that's too close to a house. They go and 1547 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,920 they build on you. The house was the ADU 1548 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,960 was there first. 1549 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,799 >> Well, except that the exception it 1550 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:05,680 wouldn't technically be legal 1551 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,119 non-conforming because the exception 1552 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,040 would make it allowable. So, it wasn't 1553 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,280 >> Well, but yeah, we're giving them an 1554 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,640 exception. 1555 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,720 >> Right. Right. That's what I'm saying is 1556 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,520 if it to protect the rights of a person 1557 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,720 to build to their line without impinging 1558 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,960 and in most cases it won't matter. Most 1559 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,760 cases the 20ft separation and 10 ft on 1560 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400 the interior keep them outside of where 1561 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,839 that buildable line is. But there are 1562 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:32,000 cases where it wouldn't. So that's got 1563 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,799 to be I'll keep thinking about that. And 1564 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,720 then that's why I like the simplicity of 1565 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,319 that is if you've got 10 feet on both 1566 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,599 sides then feet 1567 00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,599 wide keeps it simple 1568 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,440 >> in is when you have a not side by side 1569 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,799 houses 1570 00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:52,480 >> the culde-sacs the rear is on that side 1571 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,559 so you may have 10 on one but then 1572 00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:56,559 you're up to the rear of another person. 1573 00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,720 So when that person had an expectation 1574 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,200 of the house behind them being 25 ft, 1575 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,799 they now have something 10 ft. 1576 00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:06,400 >> It's also when you have the corner house 1577 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,640 and one's oriented facing this way and 1578 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,160 then the next house is oriented facing 1579 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,839 this way and one's a sideyard and one's 1580 00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,000 a I don't know. It gets complicated. 1581 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,760 >> Could you do could you do projections 1582 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,440 for that? 1583 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,280 >> Try. I'll come up with something. Look 1584 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,480 at that. So, if we can I'll keep the 20 1585 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,640 foot separation and see if we can work 1586 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,640 some way of 1587 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,640 making sure that there'll always be at 1588 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960 least 20 ft between somebody's house and 1589 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,599 an ADU on another lot. That we can do 1590 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,720 without that's what we're learning today 1591 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,400 that we can do. This rear setback if the 1592 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,760 25 is too much. Um, we can I just need 1593 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,040 to know if we should reduce that all the 1594 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,640 way to 10 like we have it or if we need 1595 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,920 to increase it a little bit. There are 1596 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,079 some 20s out there. G Jen, you've looked 1597 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,640 at um some others. There's some 20s and 1598 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,960 15s. And if there is a difference in 1599 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,559 interiors, it's usually for the rear. 1600 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,400 Like the interiors will be 10 all around 1601 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400 and the rear will be 15 or 20 or 1602 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,200 something like um or they'll just be the 1603 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:11,030 same. 1604 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,119 Yeah, the 30 was a little bit much. Uh 1605 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,680 on the rear, I don't think a lot of 1606 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,440 change, but possibly a 20 because of u 1607 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,160 the buildable and then you'd still be a 1608 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,680 long ways away from anybody else. 1609 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:24,799 >> In the case of this one, 1610 00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:26,640 >> a lot of them have have on a current 1611 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,400 home already that has some kind of an 1612 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,319 awning for a little patio or something, 1613 00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,000 they already have that 10 ft basically 1614 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,799 anyway. So that doesn't bother me. If 1615 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:38,079 this were 25, for example, if this 25 1616 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,839 were a 20 foot setback, it would open 1617 00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,079 that area up a lot more. My feet can 1618 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:43,200 make a big difference. 1619 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,480 >> That's all I'm saying. 1620 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,359 >> That's my thoughts. 1621 00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,760 >> Are you guys more comfortable 20 then? 1622 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,839 >> I would be more comfortable with 15. 1623 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:55,040 >> We can we can 1624 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,319 >> completely against that. 1625 00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:58,240 >> And Quinn, what's Quinn? Do you have 1626 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,359 thoughts on this setbacks? 1627 01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:03,760 >> Um, I do. I I think this is a productive 1628 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,160 discussion. Uh and thanks Jared for 1629 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,280 showing those visuals as well. Uh when 1630 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,480 you showed the visuals, I did have 1631 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,400 concerns that we were really 1632 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:19,040 constraining uh space for the sample of lots that you had. So uh I I do think 1633 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,839 that what you showed us was uh the 1634 01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:24,000 setbacks were too too large. I'm also 1635 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,839 very sympathetic to Len's uh desire to 1636 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:30,640 protect the neighbors and I think it's 1637 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,760 just a balance. I just I think if we aim 1638 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480 for 20 feet between buildings, maybe 15 1639 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,720 to 20 ft in terms of the rear setback, I 1640 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,799 would be comfortable. 1641 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:42,640 >> So, we're going back to the 20 from a 1642 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,119 dwelling instead of using property lines 1643 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:46,880 >> instead of 20 from a dwelling. The 1644 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,559 property lines are still there. 20 from 1645 01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,319 a dwelling instead of going 30 ft off of 1646 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:53,920 the buildable, the build to line. Um I I 1647 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,200 will point out this just to make 1648 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,200 everybody feel better as we're not if 1649 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,559 we're not um reducing a long way from 25 1650 01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,200 if we're going to 20 or to 15. This was 1651 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,640 not a lot that we had done originally. 1652 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,760 It's not a sample that we pulled 1653 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,319 originally. It it didn't take a lot to 1654 01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:09,520 find this one. And you can see the ones 1655 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,799 around it would be similar in their 1656 01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:13,280 allowances. So there there are you know 1657 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,200 the ones that we had had pulled randomly 1658 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,799 before. Yeah, they they looked a little 1659 01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:19,119 more restricted. Uh, but I had Emma pull 1660 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:20,799 two more that were it wasn't hard to 1661 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:23,280 find two lots that made it pretty simple 1662 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,520 to do. Um, so there's there there going 1663 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,319 to be lots out there. It'll stay fairly 1664 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,079 open, I think, at 20 or 15 feet for a 1665 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,599 setback. Not a not a big deal. Um, but 1666 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,839 you know, again, it's got to be it's got 1667 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,079 to be something that can be acceptable 1668 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:41,200 to everybody. So, 1669 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,520 >> and unintended consequences. Basically, 1670 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,520 all you're doing is you're increasing 1671 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,280 density without having it go through the 1672 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,520 city council. 1673 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,640 >> It's Yeah. But uh pay to use do increase 1674 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,559 the density 1675 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,200 that this ordinate you're right that 1676 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,000 this ordinance would be the increase in 1677 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:00,559 the density. 1678 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,559 >> Yeah. So if something like that, how big 1679 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,480 of a are limiting the [clears throat] 1680 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,680 ADUs then to 850 max. Could we could 1681 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,440 even live with them lower than that. If 1682 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,160 the goal is to if the goal is to is to 1683 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,839 keep them unobtrusive, then maybe that's 1684 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:16,319 the better way. They still 1685 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:17,680 >> require. 1686 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,280 >> And for me, there's two things here. For 1687 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,240 me, it's the unobtrusive and the the 1688 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,680 because I saw there's some 1689 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,200 municipalities they're talking about 1690 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,359 once they get this passed, then they get a law that they can subdivide 1691 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:30,799 and then you have a house behind a 1692 01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:32,640 house. So you you the unintended 1693 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,839 consequence is I could have double the 1694 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:37,599 density on both sides of me, my 1695 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,280 neighbors without my having any control 1696 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,708 or any ability to to to do 1697 01:02:41,708 --> 01:02:43,839 [clears throat] that. that and then also 1698 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:47,599 the um protections of the expectation of 1699 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:51,200 where you know unobtrusive and then my 1700 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,400 expectation of the setbacks in my 1701 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,880 neighborhood being consistent and fair 1702 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,640 to everyone every house on the block 1703 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,720 and I can see reducing the size you know 1704 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,240 saying look 850 max because I don't 1705 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,280 think the goal is to put more people 1706 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,799 there it's just given more flexibility 1707 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:07,839 where to put it 1708 01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:10,640 >> okay let's let's definitely reduce the 1709 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,720 size allowance and pull pull that back 1710 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,319 far enough that the setbacks feel more 1711 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:15,039 comfortable. 1712 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,559 >> Yeah. But once again, the big thing is 1713 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:17,839 the impact on the neighbor. 1714 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:18,160 >> Yeah. 1715 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,760 >> You know, I and this is the thing I've 1716 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,119 said. This is kind of what's in my 1717 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:22,319 crawl, right? So, you guys all know 1718 01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:24,079 this, but you know, I don't want it 1719 01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,599 close to my house. I'm going to put it 1720 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,920 in the farthest corner possible. Then my 1721 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,680 neighbor feels the impact and not me. To 1722 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,119 me, that's just not fair to do that, you 1723 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,839 know, and if we're facilitating that by 1724 01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:38,880 creating this setback from a dwelling 1725 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,559 instead of from a property line, if 1726 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,720 we're not um, you know, referencing and 1727 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,880 maintaining the property rights of the 1728 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,880 property lines, we're setting up an 1729 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,799 opportunity 1730 01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:50,640 impinging upon other people's property 1731 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,240 rights. 1732 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,039 >> So, privacy. It's a good point and and 1733 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,440 that's still the goal is to make this 1734 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,760 not violate state code requirements but 1735 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,359 also keep the uh of those existing 1736 01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:04,880 people around and keep the character of 1737 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,880 the neighborhood 1738 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,720 very residential. So looking at the 1739 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,200 height as a as a smaller allowance at 1740 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200 the bare setback and then getting bigger 1741 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440 as you go incentivize people to go 1742 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,079 further in and then if we have greater 1743 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:19,760 setback for the rear that'll help and if 1744 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,760 we keep that 20 foot separation from 1745 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,000 anybody else's home 1746 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000 um we'll we'll take a stab at it for the 1747 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:26,559 next meeting. 1748 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,160 >> I just don't agree the 20ft separation 1749 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,000 from a home. I think we should be using 1750 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,760 property lines for our metric. I don't 1751 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,079 know why we're using the property both 1752 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:35,680 someone else's the next 1753 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,599 >> this or whatever is greater. community. 1754 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,440 >> Yeah, it's it's a greater of the two. 1755 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,039 The 20 the 20 ft from anybody else's 1756 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,039 home is a fail safe in case the 10 feet 1757 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,680 on an interior or the 15t on a rear does 1758 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,400 not get you 20 in case somebody has an 1759 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,680 existing condition. It's different than 1760 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,760 normal. The normal situation like like 1761 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,839 Chris was saying 20 ft no matter what. 1762 01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,000 There are those cases where less and the 1763 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,039 20 foot building to building separation 1764 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:00,559 instead of just property lines is a fail 1765 01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,720 safe. That's all it is. 1766 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,400 I don't think I would want the rear set 1767 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,920 back to be any less than 20. 1768 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,839 >> Let me get some graphics done at 20 and 1769 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:10,799 50. 1770 01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:12,160 >> See what that looks like. 1771 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,920 >> So, nobody wants 25. Nobody wants to 1772 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,599 keep this the setbacks that we have in 1773 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,400 place right now in our zoning 1774 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,200 25. 1775 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,960 >> I want to keep the 25. 1776 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,440 >> That 1777 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,920 I'm 20. I mean, I'd like to see 20 from 1778 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,240 the property line. 1779 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,160 And I just think of my kids playing in 1780 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,880 the backyard and there's now a house 1781 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,200 right there in the neighbor's yard. 1782 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,000 That's 1783 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,640 that just doesn't feel great. 1784 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,480 I wouldn't like that as a parent. So, I 1785 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,240 would rather it be closer to 1786 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,440 the house of the property that it's on 1787 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,039 than 1788 01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:54,319 >> I I agree with that completely. 1789 01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,400 I'm just saying that I I feel like 20 1790 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,280 foot property line is a is a that's a 1791 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:01,680 >> maybe 1792 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,280 >> it's a good distance. Um 1793 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,640 we kind of look at both sides of the 1794 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,079 pancake here. Um but I I agree 1795 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,400 completely that we want to keep it as 1796 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,520 close to the the home 1797 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,520 impact should be on the home on which 1798 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,280 the property resides, not on the 1799 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,039 surrounding home. And 1800 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,440 >> the more we move that set back, the more 1801 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,359 we're pushing that 1802 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:27,920 >> on the neighbors. And and if that were 1803 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,400 me living there, now I now have people 1804 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,920 living 1805 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240 on in that property in that, you know, 1806 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,319 DADU behind my house. that feels a lot 1807 01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:42,160 more obtrusive to me and my kids playing 1808 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,720 in the backyard, right? So that that's 1809 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,000 the thing that I don't want to see 1810 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:46,400 happen. 1811 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,240 >> Could you do a combination of um 20 25 1812 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,359 step back in 1813 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:57,280 coordinated with a how close it is to 1814 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,349 the home 1815 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:02,799 » coordinated with how close 1816 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:06,799 >> Yeah. So you can you um you have to be 1817 01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:10,000 within 10 ft of your house 1818 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,480 if you 1819 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,880 if your rear setback. So in other words, 1820 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,720 I'm trying to say, can we get them to 1821 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,640 have the impact be next to their house 1822 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:18,960 is 1823 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,720 >> scooch them up closer. 1824 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:21,920 >> Yeah. Instead of next 1825 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,359 >> right right in the river the neighbors, 1826 01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:27,440 keep it close to you for your 1827 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,640 >> most of an internal 1828 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,079 >> because that kind of helps me with this 1829 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:34,799 impact on the neighbors issue. I mean, I look at my backyard and I think I'm 1830 01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:36,880 probably my backdoor neighbor is 1831 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,200 probably 20 ft. 1832 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,799 >> Mhm. 1833 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,839 >> And you know, that's 1834 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:48,789 >> I think you're 25. [laughter] 1835 01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:49,680 » 24. 1836 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,359 >> I've honestly never thought about it, 1837 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,240 but you know, as I think of myself 1838 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,240 coming out and saying, "Hey, neighbor, 1839 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,680 you know, it's it's not that far, but 1840 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,079 it's far enough. 1841 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,079 I don't feel 1842 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:05,359 and and I'm sure that she would say 1843 01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:06,480 something completely different. She say 1844 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,440 those lamesons are so [laughter] 1845 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,559 you say keep it 1846 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,559 >> 100 feet away. 1847 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:16,000 >> And I get that. 1848 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,679 >> All right. Do you have the direction you 1849 01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:18,719 feel comfortable with? 1850 01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,080 >> Enough to get to the next meeting. 1851 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,040 >> Okay. You want to talk about this again? 1852 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,640 >> No problem. Thank you. No, thank you all 1853 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:25,759 very much. I appreciate it. It's very 1854 01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:26,159 helpful. 1855 01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,839 >> All right. Um, dinner's ready. I've 1856 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:29,759 asked Council Member Lamson if you would 1857 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:34,229 offer a blessing on the 1858 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,400 » Our Father in heaven, we humbly bow our 1859 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,560 heads in humility and gratitude before 1860 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,960 thee this evening. We're so grateful, 1861 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,600 heavenly father, for the many blessings 1862 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,679 that we enjoy each and every day because 1863 01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:49,120 of thy greatness and thy glory. 1864 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,480 We're especially grateful, heavenly 1865 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,239 father, to live in this community. And 1866 01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,960 we're grateful to be able to 1867 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,640 serve in the various capacities that we 1868 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,319 do and pray that that would bless those 1869 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,080 in our community who are hurting at this 1870 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,759 time or who are going through personal 1871 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,159 struggles. We pray that that would bless 1872 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:09,920 them and comfort them and help us to 1873 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,520 know as neighbors how we can lift and 1874 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880 share their burdens. 1875 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,520 We are grateful this evening, heavenly 1876 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,960 father, for this meal and pray that 1877 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,600 would bless it. We pray that we would 1878 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,839 use it to strengthen and nourishment to 1879 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:26,400 do good. And again, we just want to 1880 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,359 express our gratitude to thee for all of 1881 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,742 the blessings that we share. 1882 01:09:31,742 --> 01:09:33,759 [snorts] And we say these things in the 1883 01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:50,789 name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 1884 01:09:50,799 --> 01:21:47,110 of me. Nobody 1885 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,400 And before we go to Mr. McInn and his 1886 01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:53,920 presentation, 1887 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,679 I'm going to turn the time over to Mr. 1888 01:21:55,679 --> 01:21:58,080 Carile here for just a couple of 1889 01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:58,639 minutes. 1890 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,560 >> I know this is unusual and some of you 1891 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,239 can see me here, but I want to give some 1892 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:06,480 gratitude. On May 1st, I had five bypass 1893 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,679 open heart surgery and changed my whole 1894 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:12,639 life. I was in the hospital for about 8 1895 01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:15,120 days. I came home for three days. I 1896 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,520 started losing consciousness, getting 1897 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,159 really sick. My wife and daughter are 1898 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:21,840 saying 1899 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,760 all the paramed. 1900 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,920 Long story short, two minutes later, 1901 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,600 paramedics were at my door. I live 1902 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:28,960 between Mountain View High School and 1903 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,520 Lakers Junior High. All I remember, they 1904 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,159 came downstairs, Mr. Carl and Mr. Carl 1905 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:37,040 in the paramedics vehicle. Next day I 1906 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,880 was in ICU. Evidently they got me here 1907 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,360 so fast down to Utah Valley or city 1908 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,040 paramedics. 1909 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,560 And after about half hour doctors say 1910 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,760 he's not going to make it because they 1911 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,320 got me quickly. They worked on me and 1912 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,840 did make it a lot of big time is because 1913 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,800 of Orange City paramedics. 1914 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,199 So I don't want to hear on my thing 1915 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:05,760 about how we shouldn't police or 1916 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,840 whatever that going. So I thank you very much for that and some blessings 1917 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,400 and prayers. A quick thing I'm home 1918 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,320 about two weeks later. Remember we had 1919 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,480 rain had rain in May. We had rain in May 1920 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,440 and in front of my house the sewer drops 1921 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:25,520 about this far away. You know the manual 1922 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,199 cover. I called Danny at Om city say hey 1923 01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,800 we got a problem here. Kids are walking 1924 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,480 around here. They're going to fall. Been 1925 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,679 about three days. Danny's out. Looks at 1926 01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:38,080 it. Within about four or five days, a 1927 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,800 big city crew. I mean, it's this big. 1928 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,040 They come, they raise it up. It's 1929 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,600 beautiful. Then maybe in another four or 1930 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,840 five days, become an asphalt. So, I love 1931 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,159 Orange City. Appreciate you guys. You 1932 01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:53,600 guys, 1933 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:54,960 >> thank you. 1934 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,840 >> I'm glad it all all turned out for you. 1935 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,000 >> I'm alive. We're glad to have you here 1936 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,560 back at our council meeting. 1937 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,239 >> Thank you for the time. I appreciate it. 1938 01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:05,600 America. 1939 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,000 >> All right. Our next item on the agenda 1940 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,920 is a presentation on the community 1941 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,520 development code update. 10 minutes. 1942 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,440 >> Uh hopefully it won't be anywhere near 1943 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,719 10 minutes. As as you know, community 1944 01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:22,159 development is the department that we 1945 01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:26,320 have here. Uh however, our code calls 1946 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,480 the community development department 1947 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:31,199 development services. We did a little 1948 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:34,239 rebranding from development services and 1949 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,080 renamed the department community 1950 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,120 development. And I think uh the reason 1951 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,679 for that was to send the message that 1952 01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:46,239 we're focusing on the community uh the 1953 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,040 residents who live here uh but also 1954 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,760 developers and businesses. you know, 1955 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,400 it's developing the community. It's not 1956 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,239 development services. And it makes it 1957 01:24:56,239 --> 01:25:00,239 almost sound like we're we're there for 1958 01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:03,280 developers and and the residents aren't 1959 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,400 involved. So because of that rebrand, we 1960 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,440 do technically in the code say a lot of 1961 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,960 things like uh the development services 1962 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,080 department shall do something and we 1963 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,360 just need to change all of that to be 1964 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:23,040 community development. So it's it's a 1965 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,800 massive change. There's well over 400 1966 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,520 individual changes and we'll have to 1967 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,280 take some of these to the planning 1968 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,880 commission because they're in the zoning 1969 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,360 code. So it'll go there and we'll just 1970 01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,080 be renaming 1971 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,159 development services and correcting it 1972 01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,480 to what the name of the department is 1973 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,440 which is community. So don't be 1974 01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:49,679 surprised here in the future when we 1975 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:52,480 come back and you go, "Oh my gosh, what 1976 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,920 is this 400page document for a second?" 1977 01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,920 >> That's really what it is. And uh so feel 1978 01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,920 free to read it, 1979 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,360 >> but hope but 1980 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,880 >> you're going to do red lines, right? 1981 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:05,199 >> Yeah. 1982 01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,199 >> Okay. Thank you. I'll ask. 1983 01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,639 >> We'll do red lines and 1984 01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:13,750 >> count. [laughter] 1985 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,920 And I have hidden in there somewhere a 1986 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,000 secret code. And if you call me with 1987 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,760 that code, [laughter] you get ice cream. 1988 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,629 >> It'll be and and no using AI. 1989 01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:29,040 » So just be aware that this is on the 1990 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,600 horizon to come to you. Just wanted to 1991 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,000 give you a heads up. We haven't taken it 1992 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,760 anywhere to planning commission or 1993 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,520 anybody yet. Just to make sure you're 1994 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,480 aware and feel comfortable with that 1995 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:44,000 change. We've uh if you're not, we need 1996 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,520 to redo some signage because 1997 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,199 you come here and it says community 1998 01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,080 development and that's what we're doing. 1999 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,679 >> That makes sense. 2000 01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:55,040 >> Yeah. 2001 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,920 >> I I think it's a great rebrand for us to 2002 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,560 really send the message. We're trying to 2003 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,960 build the community, not just provide 2004 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,400 services for developers. 2005 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,750 >> I agree. 2006 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,840 » Thank you. 2007 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,280 Our next item is a city council report 2008 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,280 from council member Gail. So, I'll turn 2009 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,199 the time over to you. Fabulous. 2010 01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:21,199 >> Okay. Um I'm just going to update you on 2011 01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:22,639 all of my commissions and there are a 2012 01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:25,520 few. Um America 250 is kind of wrapping 2013 01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,920 up and we are celebrating with lunch 2014 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,440 with all of our volunteers on that 2015 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:32,159 commission next week. That's been fun. 2016 01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,239 Um the care commission also has wrapped 2017 01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:35,600 up for most of their things, but we did 2018 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:36,880 get some lovely thank you notes from 2019 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,679 some organizations that participated and 2020 01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:41,679 we're looking towards next year to maybe 2021 01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:43,760 just further solidify how we make this 2022 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,199 rather than feeling a little bit 2023 01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:48,239 arbitrary to some of them. Um IHC 2024 01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:50,320 outreach we toured along with Crystal 2025 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,600 and Mayor we toured the new hospital 2026 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,239 edition at um Orum Community Hospital. 2027 01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:57,760 They added a new MRI machine, a new 2028 01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,360 fancy MRI machine and that was really 2029 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,600 cool. Um, so it's a great great to have 2030 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,960 them as a part of our community and they 2031 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,199 really give back a lot. Um, and it's a 2032 01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:07,360 great offering. So if you an MRI, weight 2033 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,840 times are shorter and the time it takes 2034 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,440 to get in is shorter. So go to or 2035 01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:14,960 community. Um, the natural resources 2036 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,639 advisory commission is doing all kinds 2037 01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:17,840 of fun things. They're having some 2038 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,760 community events and education. They're 2039 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,920 doing an event in October that looks at 2040 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,080 Utah Lake restoration and maybe and 2041 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,800 education and role in it and how there's 2042 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,719 this Utah lake advisory commission and 2043 01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:30,960 educating our residents about that. Um 2044 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,400 then October 12th we're going to have a 2045 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,120 leaf themed greenhouse event in our new 2046 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,080 greenhouse is the arts and crafts with 2047 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,719 leafs and then we're having a library 2048 01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:43,199 seed swap in February ready to do their 2049 01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:46,320 garden. So that'll be fun. Um the tree 2050 01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,239 initi the tree planting initiative is 2051 01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:49,920 called rooted in orum. That's the name 2052 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,600 that they decided on and uh the goal is 2053 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,280 10,000 trees over five years. Um and 2054 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,840 we're doing uh the initial distribution 2055 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,239 or sale of about 50 trees is in early 2056 01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,239 September. So they've ordered them and 2057 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:05,840 they're going to be distributing at a 2058 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,920 deep discount to residents who want them 2059 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,679 be gone. and other things. We're looking 2060 01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:13,760 at doing a recycling tour of the 2061 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,600 facility and then helping with the 2062 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,080 farmers market bike ballet. Um, so 2063 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,760 they're active and busy doing great and 2064 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,440 fun things and Brad and Caitlyn have 2065 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:25,760 been so they're doing a great job. Um, 2066 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,520 Utopia passed a budget just recently 2067 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,760 that will allow the cities to get even 2068 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,920 more money. So I think we're about 2069 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,800 $95,000 more this school year. 2070 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,480 this facility often because they also 2071 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,719 were able to hire several employees to 2072 01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:44,639 help keep um service operating. Um and 2073 01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:46,159 they are currently we just got a check 2074 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:48,560 from them from about 2075 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,719 the number what's the number was in June 2076 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:54,629 it was 1 million98,000 2077 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:58,629 1 mill98,950. 2078 01:29:58,639 --> 01:29:59,840 Does that sound right? 2079 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,239 >> I'll drag and say 1.1. Yes. 2080 01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,320 >> Oh 1.1. [laughter] 2081 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:09,199 >> Okay. Um, and they are adding about 640 2082 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:10,880 new subscribers every month. So, that's 2083 01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,840 good for us and helps the whole uh of us 2084 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,159 be successful. So, that's good. And then 2085 01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:19,360 the Utah Valley University/Orum Business 2086 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,040 Resource Center. We had a great meeting 2087 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,199 with Brian and Garrett, our new 2088 01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,560 person. We met with Steve those who Josh 2089 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,880 Barlo who is the new director of the ORM 2090 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,760 business resource center and Seth Jensen 2091 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,600 um who is the director of the uh 2092 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,040 entrepreneurship at Utah Valley 2093 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,360 University and he's now responsible for 2094 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,520 that center and then who is who is the 2095 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,120 other do you remember the lady was she 2096 01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,199 responsible for curriculum at UVU in the 2097 01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:45,840 business program? 2098 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,679 >> Oh, she's Seth's number two. 2099 01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:49,040 >> Yeah, we met with her too. Anyway, it 2100 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:50,560 was a great meeting. Um we talked about 2101 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:51,840 the direction it's going. I feel like 2102 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,199 there's a lot of new energy there. I 2103 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:54,800 feel like Seth, especially with him 2104 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,400 being responsible for entrepreneurship 2105 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,000 at UVU, has a really vested interest in 2106 01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,840 making this successful and our staff is 2107 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,280 currently working on a new agreement 2108 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,120 with them. So, we'll see as that takes 2109 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,639 shape over the next little while what 2110 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:08,629 that looks like. 2111 01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:11,520 Thank you. Any questions for Jen? 2112 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,750 Appreciate you representing us. 2113 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,840 Right. Next item is just quickly 2114 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,360 reviewing our agenda for today. 2115 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,480 We have a presentation from the public 2116 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:30,239 works advisory commission and the 2117 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:33,280 presenters are going to be Chris Shery 2118 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,719 and then Mike Wimpby who's on the 2119 01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:39,120 advisory commission the chair he's 2120 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,239 >> oh is he the chair okay great 2121 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:44,480 then we have a presentation by Chief 2122 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:48,400 Sanderson citizen life saving and then 2123 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,239 we will have some time for personal 2124 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,080 appearances 2125 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,679 And then we have a consent item on um 2126 01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:57,760 our city council meeting schedule and 2127 01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,600 it's adding 2128 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,560 excuse me a work session 2129 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,320 only on August 25th. So that will be our 2130 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,320 next meeting will be the 25th. It'll be 2131 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,199 work session only. And then on Thursday, 2132 01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:13,679 August 27th, 2133 01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,000 I uh where we'll be having our truth in 2134 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,239 taxation 2135 01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:23,280 hearing on on that date. And then 2136 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,719 our scheduled item is a resolution 2137 01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:29,120 appointing to the uh appointments to the 2138 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,520 Justice Court nominating commission, 2139 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,040 excuse me. and talked a little bit about 2140 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,080 that in the in the work session earlier 2141 01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,639 in the work session. Uh financial items 2142 01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,880 and then uh city manager items and we 2143 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,199 adjourn. It looks like we do not have a 2144 01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:48,960 closed door meeting um this evening. Any 2145 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,800 questions? Anything you want to discuss 2146 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,280 in here before 2147 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,280 uh on anything with the agenda or the 2148 01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,760 work session? I have one question. We've 2149 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,080 seen the few two few times I think 2150 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,400 lately that we've had people sign people 2151 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,199 up to speak during the public comment 2152 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:08,560 and I mean multiply people and those 2153 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,000 people aren't present. I know in the 2154 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,480 past we've always had kind of the you 2155 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,159 need to be here. You need to sign up for 2156 01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:17,840 yourself. I mean, you know, maybe if 2157 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,120 they signed for her husband or 2158 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:20,960 something, we could say, but I feel 2159 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,679 like, you know, what we've seen happen, 2160 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:27,760 not sure if we should make that clear 2161 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,880 that that's really not the way we want 2162 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,880 to. What do you think? 2163 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:33,840 >> Yeah, that's 2164 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:37,360 >> May I also to address that? Would it 2165 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,880 help to possibly have a member of the 2166 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,360 city staff verify who you are as you 2167 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,360 sign up? Does that would that help or 2168 01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:43,760 would you 2169 01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,600 >> Yeah. Well, and I don't want to be too, 2170 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,120 you know, I don't want to be too anal 2171 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,719 about it, but I just felt like, you 2172 01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:50,400 know, we had what, four people, three 2173 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,679 people, I can't remember that you called 2174 01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:52,960 up and they weren't here and they 2175 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,760 weren't here and then they rushed in. 2176 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,000 Oh, you missed me. And I'm like, they 2177 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,000 she didn't find her, 2178 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,800 >> you know. And the other thing would be, 2179 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,320 I mean, I'd like discuss that, but then 2180 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,000 the next thing would be is maybe in a 2181 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,679 way to make it go a little smoother is 2182 01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:09,440 we could like do what you do, have the 2183 01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:11,120 name, say the names of who's next, but 2184 01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,960 have them come sit on the front row so 2185 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,639 we're not waiting for people to talk up 2186 01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:16,960 again. I think next 2187 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,920 >> the 27th we're going to have a lot of 2188 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,080 comments. So maybe if we have like seats 2189 01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,679 where people can, you know, come and 2190 01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:27,840 >> that's what the mic 2191 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,080 >> regarding the 27th. In fact, today I 2192 01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,760 talked to Brent about this is that I 2193 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,639 would like to have have our protocol for 2194 01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,000 that public comment outlined and ready 2195 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,840 pro before just soon. 2196 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:40,320 >> Yeah. 2197 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,719 >> And just because if you're not aware, 2198 01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:44,639 it's a meeting where we're required by 2199 01:34:44,639 --> 01:34:48,239 law not just to have the comments of 2200 01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:51,520 people present in the room, but we are 2201 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,320 required to allow online comments. So 2202 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,080 someone can attend virtually, which is 2203 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,000 fine. It's just that we don't have any 2204 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,199 protocol for that. One thing as I've as 2205 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,120 I've asked Bren to look at it is my my 2206 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,239 intention is not to give everybody three 2207 01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:07,760 minutes. So we're trying to work out 2208 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,480 what is the time that's appropriate for 2209 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,320 someone can feel comfortable sharing 2210 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,280 their thoughts but yet also recognizing 2211 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,600 that there going to be many pe I 2212 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,320 anticipate many people wanting to give 2213 01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,360 comments. So that's what I've tasked 2214 01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,960 Bren to do is to come up with some ideas 2215 01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,880 for that. But like you said, sitting be 2216 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,800 able to sit up front or or whatever it 2217 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,520 is. And it's and also if I like I said 2218 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,440 I'm I'm comfortable going less than 3 2219 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:38,800 minutes and I don't know unless any of 2220 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,600 you are really wanting to go have three 2221 01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,480 minutes per person. Um I I don't know 2222 01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:45,440 like I guess I don't know what number 2223 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:47,760 we'll land on and then discussing at 2224 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,440 what point do we give out the 2225 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:50,800 information about how the public hearing 2226 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,360 will be run. I would I would appreciate 2227 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,199 having that information available so we 2228 01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:57,280 can give it to the public days before 2229 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,960 and even before they even show up at the 2230 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,719 meeting so they understand when they 2231 01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:02,159 come to the meeting this is how it's 2232 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:03,920 going to be run. So there's a level of 2233 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,000 expectation. 2234 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,159 So would you anticipate something like 2235 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:10,960 you'll have five in person 2236 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,480 followed by five online followed by 2237 01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:17,280 >> something some just whatever that's what 2238 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,320 >> some nature word 2239 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,320 >> so bread brand 2240 01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,120 >> yeah some some way of doing that so I I 2241 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,480 don't want to have everybody waiting 2242 01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:28,080 online and everybody waiting here it's 2243 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,000 >> Bren Bren gets to do that 2244 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,280 >> I'll come up with some suggestions on 2245 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,159 how to organize it 2246 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:32,960 >> how to organize it 2247 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,199 >> with the intent to have it be as for 2248 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:37,520 sure 2249 01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,840 still, you know, uh make sure we're well 2250 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,920 within the law 2251 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,000 >> and make we we hear from our our 2252 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:44,560 residents. 2253 01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:45,280 >> Yeah. 2254 01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,560 >> And regarding the be during the meeting, 2255 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,560 yeah, I would I can reiterate at the 2256 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,520 beginning or 2257 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,280 whether or not, you know, just reiterate 2258 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,360 again that they have to be present to 2259 01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,840 win or whatever [laughter] 2260 01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:00,800 must be present. 2261 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,560 >> They need to sign their own paper. you 2262 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,280 sign your own paperwork because 2263 01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,000 >> we are getting in particular on on on 2264 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,080 certain topics that we're getting people 2265 01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,600 someone coming and signing up a bunch of 2266 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:16,000 people and then they're not here or 2267 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,480 >> show therapy. Do you know do we say 2268 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,560 anything like that on the paper? 2269 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,119 >> Yeah, 2270 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,600 >> I think you do. Don't you on there? 2271 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,760 >> They're not supposed to or not sign up 2272 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,000 for therapy, 2273 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:33,189 >> but no one's guarding it. So, 2274 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:37,199 » well, but then you as mayor and council 2275 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:39,679 knowing that know that that that gives 2276 01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,760 you a little bit more 2277 01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,480 standing to say 2278 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:48,480 as it says on the signup sheet 2279 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:50,080 sign up, [clears throat] 2280 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:50,880 >> you know, 2281 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,840 >> and I think to your point of I in my 2282 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,280 prior life before I was on the city 2283 01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,639 council, I did have issues in my 2284 01:37:56,639 --> 01:37:58,159 neighborhood and I did come and speak 2285 01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:00,560 before the city council. It's and it's 2286 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,800 quite nerve-wracking. And I spent the 2287 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,239 whole day preparing what I was going to 2288 01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,480 say and timing it. [clears throat] And 2289 01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:08,400 so I can empathize with people who have 2290 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,320 a three minute speech plan and then 2291 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,000 they're told they need to cut it to two. 2292 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,880 That just adds more stress and defining 2293 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,440 that before I think is a broken idea 2294 01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:19,440 because then I think it will just create 2295 01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:23,440 a better environment and atmosphere too. 2296 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,119 >> Yeah. And so I that's what I hope to do 2297 01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:27,840 is to let them know that we are 2298 01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,760 interested in hearing what they have to 2299 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,360 say, what people have to say, give their 2300 01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,000 thoughts and be respectful of that. And 2301 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,280 I think giving them setting the 2302 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,000 expectations as early as possible is an 2303 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,520 important way to do that. 2304 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,360 >> Thank you. 2305 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,760 There's anything else? I entertain a 2306 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:50,080 motion to adjurnn. Second. All right. All those 2307 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,760 in favor? Hi. 2308 01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,639 >> Hi. 2309 01:38:54,639 --> 01:40:27,510 >> And we'll reconvene at 6. 2310 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,350 So funny. 2311 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,440 » No, I mean I heard in front of me heard 2312 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:35,119 progressive. It was like the student 2313 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:50,070 last video. 2314 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,719 Every experience. 2315 01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:56,950 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every experience 2316 01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:00,870 including 2317 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:07,750 this school 2318 01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:17,910 one I grew up 2319 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,400 near 2320 01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:29,350 bodies of water. I've never been 2321 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:50,070 » they're teaching 2322 01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:53,760 started an instrument. Feels 2323 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,189 president 2324 01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:03,430 to avoid losing his he 2325 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:17,109 » rules that he would be in a different 2326 01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:19,920 » like like the scarlet 2327 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,560 They get you with a little red dot. 2328 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,189 That's not 2329 01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:31,360 » I mean the whole school body terrible. 2330 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:32,960 >> They're like you haven't heard. 2331 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:37,669 >> No, I haven't heard. 2332 01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:40,400 » It is. It is pretty. It's always I think 2333 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,560 the power dynamic is always grow and 2334 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:43,760 then especially when it's a church 2335 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,040 school that power dynamic is 2336 01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:51,270 accentuated. 2337 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:55,830 » Yeah. 2338 01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,199 feeling the craziest. 2339 01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:08,070 >> No, I don't know what I'd say. 2340 01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,480 » What is it? watching 2341 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:22,629 >> homogeneous 2342 01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:27,760 » like baby fish because I've seen guys 2343 01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,790 like 2344 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,119 and they're really cool and then they go 2345 01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:35,440 to like either university or they leave 2346 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:38,719 university so much data here I'm like, 2347 01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:41,520 "Yeah, cuz you're interesting." 2348 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,040 But in this dating pool, you're 2349 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,040 interesting just by virtue of being a 2350 01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,199 relish, a decently attractive guy who's 2351 01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:50,159 in the church who has a pulse. 2352 01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:53,040 >> Yeah. 2353 01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,360 >> Like you go and you have a personality. 2354 01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,280 I'm sorry, but you know, man, 2355 01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:01,109 >> we're to have 2356 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,440 » if not all your life. I'm saying you 2357 01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,360 don't have a person, but I'm saying the 2358 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:12,790 likelihood of it being less developed. 2359 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,920 You developed uh checkpoints, you 2360 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:22,149 develop police checkpoints. 2361 01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:26,800 » Got to find you learn. You learn what a type of attractiveness is good 2362 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,800 and then you develop a sense of it is 2363 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,960 it's like super attractive is not oh 2364 01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,360 >> it's like no I realiz this person is 2365 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,679 attractive but in a way that is 2366 01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:41,679 interesting not like they're dry 2367 01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:42,320 >> what is it 2368 01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:45,119 >> and they have a more interesting 2369 01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,310 >> like 2370 01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,880 ugly 2371 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,080 that's correct 2372 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:53,760 >> I think 2373 01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,239 Not sure. Yeah, Adrian. 2374 01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:56,560 >> Yeah, 2375 01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:11,109 >> I'm bad at recognizing celebrities. Um, 2376 01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:12,880 » Oh, yeah. 2377 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,480 >> He's got like a little weasel man face, 2378 01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:19,119 but also he's But he's fashionable. 2379 01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,600 >> He had very high cheekbone. 2380 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,400 >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's 2381 01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,000 >> but it's like with the interesting 2382 01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,199 >> but I always 2383 01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:36,533 like 2384 01:45:36,543 --> 01:45:42,550 [laughter] 2385 01:45:42,560 --> 01:46:01,430 people Test test. 2386 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:03,760 Last time I went to one of these, it was 2387 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,080 25 days a week. Not really, but a young 2388 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,239 kid. He was like, 2389 01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,719 >> he was just so like overwhelmed. That 2390 01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:23,990 was the case. 2391 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:32,629 Love it. 2392 01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:35,840 » Test one, two. Test. Test. 2393 01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,239 That's it right there. And then the 2394 01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:40,400 flags right there. 2395 01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,360 And the best. Pretty simple. Just break 2396 01:46:43,360 --> 01:47:07,189 it in front and soon as we're finished. 2397 01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:43,830 Father, 2398 01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:51,669 I think she said ghost. 2399 01:47:51,679 --> 01:48:08,390 Nice 2400 01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:39,750 job. All right. 2401 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:45,030 I know there's 2402 01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:48,790 is not 2403 01:48:48,800 --> 01:49:10,149 your 2404 01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:13,430 son 2405 01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:26,229 again. my sun. So 2406 01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:29,590 yeah, 2407 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:40,310 that's why 2408 01:49:40,320 --> 01:50:00,070 I 2409 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:16,950 You're alone. 2410 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:21,830 Yes. 2411 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:32,229 Yeah. 2412 01:50:32,239 --> 01:51:36,310 Good. 2413 01:51:36,320 --> 01:53:44,070 finish. 2414 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:55,669 Council 2415 01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,520 member Mikum, are you do we have you 2416 01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,159 online? 2417 01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:01,679 >> Yes, indeed I am here. 2418 01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:08,229 >> All right. 2419 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,960 Good evening. I'd like to welcome you to 2420 01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:14,159 the August 11th, 2026 ORM city council 2421 01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:16,320 meeting and I'll call the meeting to 2422 01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:20,080 order. Our invoca invocation and inspir 2423 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:21,679 or inspirational thought will be given 2424 01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:24,000 by Amy Walker and the pledge of 2425 01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:33,430 allegiance will be led by Greywalker. 2426 01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,280 Dear heavenly father, we are so so 2427 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,599 thankful for 2428 01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:39,920 um this time of year and season that we 2429 01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:43,040 can um enjoy all of the many luxuries 2430 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:47,599 and um bounty of our city and our 2431 01:54:47,599 --> 01:54:49,760 nation. We are thankful to be gathered 2432 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,440 together to 2433 01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:57,199 unite our um opinions and hearts. We 2434 01:54:57,199 --> 01:55:07,119 pray for patience and kindness to 2435 01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:10,320 be present in our communication and in 2436 01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:14,159 our thoughts as we strive to find unity 2437 01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:16,800 um in seeing the point of view of 2438 01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,599 others. We are thankful for this great 2439 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,920 nation that we live in. grateful for the 2440 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,840 community and the camaraderie that we 2441 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,639 share with our neighbors and 2442 01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:29,119 um the great families that we enjoy 2443 01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:32,080 here. We are so thankful for our 2444 01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,000 blessings and grateful for 2445 01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,320 the safety of our community. We pray 2446 01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,440 that thou will be with those who are 2447 01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:45,040 enduring the wildfires and the tragedies 2448 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,520 that are happening in Utah. We pray that 2449 01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:51,199 thou will be with the firefighters and 2450 01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:54,080 their families and the people who have 2451 01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,239 suffered. We pray that they will 2452 01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:59,520 continually watch over 2453 01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,400 our nation and help us to find peace and 2454 01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,400 safety and continue to strive for 2455 01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:08,639 greatness and to choose to step forward 2456 01:56:08,639 --> 01:56:12,239 with our best selves and 2457 01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,400 to 2458 01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,639 brave the humanity and the kindness that 2459 01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,840 we can offer this great nation. We are 2460 01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,199 grateful to thee and pray for these 2461 01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:22,719 things. And we say these things in the 2462 01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:24,960 name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 2463 01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:37,750 Thank you. 2464 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 2465 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,920 United States of America and to the 2466 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,360 republic for which it stands, one nation 2467 01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,880 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 2468 01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:55,030 justice for all. 2469 01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,960 Thank you for the prayer and for leading 2470 01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,360 us in the pledge of allegiance. 2471 01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,920 Right. Next item on the agenda is 7.1. 2472 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,239 It's a presentation by the public works 2473 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:07,599 advisory commission. So I'm going to 2474 01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,679 turn the time over to our public works 2475 01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:13,040 director Chris Schey and our public 2476 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:14,880 works advisory commission chair Mike 2477 01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:21,830 Wimpy. 2478 01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,520 Do you want me if if he's not here, do 2479 01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,400 you want me to go on to the next item? 2480 01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:27,920 Okay, why don't we do that? Because I 2481 01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:29,199 think the next item we've got people 2482 01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:30,880 here. 2483 01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,776 I see them all over in the back. 2484 01:57:33,776 --> 01:57:35,086 [laughter] 2485 01:57:35,086 --> 01:57:35,679 [gasps] 2486 01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:38,239 All right. What we'll do is then we're 2487 01:57:38,239 --> 01:57:40,480 going to wait on that and go to our next 2488 01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:44,080 item which is a presentation a citizen 2489 01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,880 life saving and our presenter is our 2490 01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:50,080 fire chief Mark Sanderson and we welcome 2491 01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,639 the your colleagues here this evening as 2492 01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:53,520 well. 2493 01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,280 >> Thank you mayor and councel. I just want 2494 01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,280 to first start off publicly thanking 2495 01:57:57,280 --> 01:57:59,360 Chief Swinson and the members of our a 2496 01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,599 platoon for joining us tonight. A lot of 2497 01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:03,119 the things I'm going to discuss tonight 2498 01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,639 are closely related, if not very 2499 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,480 specific names of individuals in this 2500 01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,199 room who have received recognition and 2501 01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:16,719 provided life-saving um care to multiple 2502 01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:18,000 citizens throughout all three 2503 01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,639 communities we serve. Um 2504 01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:24,719 I would challenge you to over the next 2505 01:58:24,719 --> 01:58:27,599 couple of weeks a shift most recently 2506 01:58:27,599 --> 01:58:31,440 yesterday have had a rash of very 2507 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,560 traumatic calls. Um I don't want to 2508 01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:37,280 share the details. However, I will share 2509 01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,679 that based off of the level of 2510 01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:42,239 expertise, not only in our critical care 2511 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:43,760 program and our critical care 2512 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,960 paramedics, but from our captain, our 2513 01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,719 battalion chiefs down to our very brand 2514 01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:51,199 new EMTs, the level of service that 2515 01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:53,520 they've provided yesterday to two 2516 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,000 specific patients definitely made a 2517 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,480 difference and provided an opportunity 2518 01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,880 for the very best outcome for their 2519 01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:05,599 circumstances. And so you'd have to reach out to these guys 2520 01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:07,520 the next time you see them. We 2521 01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,639 definitely have uh photographs because 2522 01:59:10,639 --> 01:59:12,000 they're used for training. They're 2523 01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:15,599 appropriate. Um doesn't disclose any 2524 01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,000 personal or private information, but it 2525 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,239 would give you a better taste of what 2526 01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:22,719 these guys and gals do on a regular 2527 01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:25,599 basis. And so I'm very appreciative for 2528 01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:26,960 the things that they've done over the 2529 01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:29,520 course of the week. If we could just go 2530 01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,760 to the next slide. I've shared with you 2531 01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,719 this packet. I'm gonna cover. Oh, I got 2532 01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:35,280 a clicker. 2533 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:41,589 >> There's the clicker. 2534 01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:49,589 » Maybe. 2535 01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:51,360 » Thank you. 2536 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:52,960 I have people that turn my clickers on 2537 01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,229 for me. 2538 01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:58,239 I wanted to just start out. Many of you 2539 01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:00,400 have had the opportunity to attend our 2540 02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:03,840 quarterly recognition and and several of 2541 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,080 you have got other obligations. We just 2542 02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:08,320 I just know that the crews appreciate 2543 02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,639 your involvement, your attendance, um 2544 02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:13,119 and your continued support. So, I'm just 2545 02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:14,960 going to highlight I'm not going to read 2546 02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,599 them all, but you can see. But I but for 2547 02:00:17,599 --> 02:00:20,080 the people in the back, I would I really 2548 02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:21,360 when you see your name up here, I would 2549 02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:22,719 like you to stand up. I'm going to go 2550 02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:24,560 through this really quickly, so you 2551 02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:26,239 won't have to stand up very long, but I 2552 02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:28,880 want you to at least have the ability to 2553 02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,440 recognize those in the room that have 2554 02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,040 made a difference on most of these 2555 02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,679 calls. But this first category of 2556 02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:37,280 operational excellence and medical 2557 02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:38,960 calls, 2558 02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:41,119 multiple cardiac arrest patients, and we 2559 02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:43,040 even heard it in our work session today 2560 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:45,199 that wasn't a cardiac arrest, but easily 2561 02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:47,599 could have led to that. Um and based on 2562 02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:50,239 the care of our people that the our 2563 02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:52,880 people provide, we see really positive 2564 02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:56,480 outcomes. Um even as recently as last 2565 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,400 year, we've received recognition through 2566 02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:02,880 Tempenogus Hospital of uh achieving 2567 02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,239 national records with our spontaneous 2568 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,560 return of circulation 2569 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:12,239 uh across the across the country. And 2570 02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:14,239 it's because how quickly we respond. 2571 02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:15,520 It's because of the level of service 2572 02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:16,800 that our people provide, the 2573 02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,639 certifications and the additional 2574 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:22,400 training that um we have within our 2575 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,199 organization that make us truly amazing, 2576 02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:28,320 the citizens that need us. Um along with 2577 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,280 these things, it's uh this recognition. 2578 02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:32,960 I think it's so important that we 2579 02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,840 identify the multiple citizens that 2580 02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:39,599 actually call 911, start CPR, get help 2581 02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,520 coming because in a lot of these 2582 02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,360 circumstances, 2583 02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,679 if somebody outside of the fire 2584 02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:48,000 department hadn't initiated something, 2585 02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,760 then we wouldn't see the positive 2586 02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:52,080 outcomes that we do. And so the shout 2587 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,639 out goes to our community and the 2588 02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:56,960 citizens who will step up when the time 2589 02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,840 needs to help start life- saving efforts 2590 02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:02,800 that we can then take over on. But you 2591 02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,119 can see I mean most significantly an 2592 02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:06,800 8-year-old cardiac arrest. We have 2593 02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,639 Captain Belnap and his crew in the back 2594 02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:12,320 with our CCPs. We were fortunate enough 2595 02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:18,550 Yeah, please. 2596 02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,159 We were fortunate enough with this 2597 02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:22,560 circumstance to have a bystandard start 2598 02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:25,520 CPR, which then Captain Belnap and his 2599 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,080 crew were able to step in, transport 2600 02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,800 this kid to Primary Children's, who 2601 02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:34,159 walked out of their ICUs with no 2602 02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:37,040 deficits. Just amazing results. That was 2603 02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,040 Bailey Bird, who we've noticed with an 2604 02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:41,920 award for that citizen heroism. 2605 02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,679 Um, also Captain Hickman and his crew. 2606 02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:47,840 You can see there was an MVA extrication 2607 02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,239 down on Geneva Road that was significant 2608 02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:53,520 and horrific injuries to a patient that 2609 02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,280 because of their expertise, their quick 2610 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,320 response, their abilities to cut the car 2611 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,480 open and extricate that patient and get 2612 02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:02,480 him to level two trauma center, Utah 2613 02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:04,080 Valley 2614 02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:07,760 is alive and doing much better than 2615 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:10,159 most. And so I just want to thank them 2616 02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:16,470 for that. very impressive. 2617 02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,320 I actually included this additional 2618 02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,239 recognition. 2619 02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:22,639 Um, but I want to point out that our 2620 02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:24,080 people don't do this for recognition. 2621 02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,159 You guys know that when you attend. Um, 2622 02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:29,520 I beg them every meeting to please 2623 02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,920 provide the things that we don't see 2624 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,360 from the office. We don't hear the 2625 02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:35,440 calls. That's not why they do it. They 2626 02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:36,960 do it because they love the community 2627 02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:38,800 they serve. They love the job that they 2628 02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:40,960 do. and they really do care and make a 2629 02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,599 difference. And so highlighting these 2630 02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:47,360 additional recognitions 2631 02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,520 um 2632 02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,000 they're significant when we identify 20 2633 02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,960 years as an ORM city employee with 2634 02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,520 assistant chief and chief Boehner all 2635 02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,360 the way down to our 10 and five similar 2636 02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:01,760 to what the city does on this month that 2637 02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:06,800 are city recognition. Um, 2638 02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:08,239 a couple of the other categories that I 2639 02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:09,760 think are impressive, training, 2640 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:11,440 instruction, and the professional 2641 02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:14,000 development. You can see, I mean, just 2642 02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,320 quickly looking up there, we have I know 2643 02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,679 Lieutenant Metaf in the back um that 2644 02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:21,679 completed a heavy rescue school, part of 2645 02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:24,239 our SRT countywide team. It was a 2646 02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:26,159 six-week program where he comes off of 2647 02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:28,800 shift and uh is working a 40-hour week 2648 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,239 Monday through Friday, which is not your 2649 02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:32,560 normal firefighter schedule. disrupts 2650 02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:34,239 your family life and that whole 2651 02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,800 schedule. But but based off of 2652 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:39,040 completion of that heavy rescue school, 2653 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,280 it brings a whole new level of 2654 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,040 experience to our own organization that 2655 02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:44,960 will continue to grow based off of their 2656 02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,920 leadership. 2657 02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,960 And then Utah Fire Officer Designation 2658 02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,199 Award. This is this is something that 2659 02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:57,520 EURA awards based off of a like a 60page 2660 02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:00,639 packet of requirements. And we have 2661 02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:03,119 several um employees who have earned 2662 02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:05,280 that. Most recently, Scott Slater, one 2663 02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:08,800 of our critical care paramedics. 2664 02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,320 And then one other thing we just 2665 02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,159 highlighted in trying to encompass all 2666 02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:14,320 of these recognitions over the past two 2667 02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,480 quarters is this leadership and 2668 02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,880 mentorship and tactical support. The 2669 02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:20,639 thing that I do appreciate and love is 2670 02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:24,080 that it doesn't always these are these 2671 02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:25,840 are recognitions for working with our 2672 02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:29,119 own crews, working with a new employee. 2673 02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:32,000 It's also citywide training. Uh Grant 2674 02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,239 Mquist, he's in the back. He provides 2675 02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:37,440 all of our city department specialized 2676 02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,080 CPR training for our employees. It 2677 02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:42,480 wasn't an assignment that he I think was 2678 02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,719 signed up for originally, but based off 2679 02:05:44,719 --> 02:05:48,400 of his abilities to connect and his his 2680 02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,480 teaching and and connections he makes 2681 02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,639 with our employees, he keeps getting 2682 02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:54,880 calls and he keeps doing those classes. 2683 02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,119 So, it's it's very important that he 2684 02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,040 recognize the value that he brings to 2685 02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:00,480 not only our fire department, but the 2686 02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,360 city as a whole. 2687 02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:05,760 And I this is also because the crews 2688 02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,639 here uh Captain Hickman, firefighter 2689 02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:10,320 Cole Hannon Rosequist, we had an 2690 02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,040 incident. Um really quickly, a UHP 2691 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,239 officer, they've been chasing a 2692 02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:18,080 motorcyclist all day long, multiple 2693 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:20,639 1080s. They turn their lights on, takes 2694 02:06:20,639 --> 02:06:22,800 off on the motorcycle. Well, it just so 2695 02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:24,159 happened the highway patrolman happened 2696 02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:26,480 to see the kid stopped at a light, 2697 02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:29,040 parked his car, tackled the kid before 2698 02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,760 he was able to leave the light. As our 2699 02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:34,000 tiller was driving by, those three crew 2700 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,400 saw the officer fighting with the kid. 2701 02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:38,560 Didn't look like he was winning and 2702 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:40,400 bailed out of the fire engine and helped 2703 02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:45,840 subdue the the evader. And so you you 2704 02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,800 just don't know the impact that has with 2705 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:50,320 any of our officers. They do it if it 2706 02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:51,920 was an arm officer. They do it if it was 2707 02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:54,400 a citizen and you just don't know if the 2708 02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,719 guy gets the officer's gun. Our guys 2709 02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:58,239 don't intervene. You have a totally 2710 02:06:58,239 --> 02:07:00,480 different outcome. And so our fire 2711 02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,320 department employees just don't do fire 2712 02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,280 and EMS. I mean, they're they're amazing 2713 02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:08,960 humans, amazing abilities, and they 2714 02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:10,320 really do care about everybody within 2715 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,440 the cities. 2716 02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,440 And then the then the last one that I 2717 02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:17,520 just wanted to highlight from their 2718 02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:19,679 recognition is this compassion and 2719 02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:21,119 external recognition. and I kind of 2720 02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:23,679 touched base on that things that Grant's 2721 02:07:23,679 --> 02:07:27,760 done with other departments. Um, 2722 02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:31,840 just looking really quickly to see. 2723 02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:33,520 But when you read through these, I mean, 2724 02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:34,880 we had the incident in Lynon. 2725 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,480 Everybody's aware of the family that 2726 02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,960 lost a three-year-old daughter. As 2727 02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,440 horrific as that type of call is, the 2728 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,599 benefit and the value and the compassion 2729 02:07:43,599 --> 02:07:46,400 that our people bring to even worst case 2730 02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:50,320 scenarios um make a huge difference. And 2731 02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:51,920 so I want to leave you with that. I want 2732 02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:53,679 to thank them again for all that they do 2733 02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:57,119 and supporting our city and 2734 02:07:57,119 --> 02:08:16,950 say thank you. 2735 02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:18,560 Mayor, if you don't mind, I'd just like 2736 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:19,920 to give them the opportunity to be 2737 02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:22,079 excused unless you guys had questions or 2738 02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:22,320 comments. 2739 02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:23,679 >> Oh, no. They have to sit through the 2740 02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:25,599 whole No. No. Go ahead. 2741 02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:26,800 >> So, they do, right? 2742 02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:27,679 >> Yes. [laughter] 2743 02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:29,599 No, you're welcome to be excused. You're 2744 02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:31,920 welcome to stay. Whatever. Whatever you 2745 02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:33,440 would like to do. Now, council members, 2746 02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:35,840 that doesn't apply to you. So, or 2747 02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:38,159 myself. So, [laughter] 2748 02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:40,800 thank you. All right. Next item on the 2749 02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,480 agenda, we'll go back to the 2750 02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,000 presentation on the public works 2751 02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,679 advisory commission. We have our public 2752 02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:47,840 works director Chris Scherey and Mike 2753 02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:51,280 Wimby who is our public works advisory 2754 02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:58,709 commission chair. So welcome. 2755 02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:00,320 Thank you mayor and council. It's a 2756 02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:03,040 pleasure to be here tonight. Next year I 2757 02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:06,239 vow to not follow police or fire. Okay. 2758 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:07,840 Because that is a hard act to follow. 2759 02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,000 Every year I seem to be in this position 2760 02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:13,679 between BJ and Mark. So anyway, we uh we 2761 02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:15,199 love police and fire and all the 2762 02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:17,199 outstanding uh services they provide for 2763 02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:20,079 our community. Um I'd like to introduce 2764 02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:22,079 Mr. Mike Wimpy who is our chairman of 2765 02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:23,760 our public works advisory commission. 2766 02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:26,639 We've been asked to provide our FY26 2767 02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:28,960 annual report and I'll turn the time 2768 02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:31,679 over to Mike. 2769 02:09:31,679 --> 02:09:33,599 Thank you. It's a it's pleasure to be 2770 02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:35,440 here tonight. Um I've enjoyed my 2771 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:37,199 opportunity that I've had to serve on 2772 02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:39,040 the public works advisory commission. I 2773 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,440 think it's been three years now. Uh, I 2774 02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:43,920 just received an email from April 2775 02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,000 Nielson saying that I needed to reapply 2776 02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,800 to uh to have so much fun. So, I gladly 2777 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:51,520 did so. Uh, thanks Chris. It's great to 2778 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:53,840 work with the public works group. I 2779 02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,800 think the the thing that uh is just it's 2780 02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:58,400 a pleasure to work with such 2781 02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:00,159 professional people that care so much 2782 02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:01,679 about the public and care about doing 2783 02:10:01,679 --> 02:10:03,679 their jobs and doing a great job. And so 2784 02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:06,400 we get an opportunity to meet with the 2785 02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:08,800 um public works supervisors and 2786 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:12,159 departments every month. I know uh 2787 02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,719 Councilwoman Millet has participated in 2788 02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:16,480 that in the past and now Councilwoman 2789 02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:18,719 Milstein and uh I think it's just very 2790 02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:20,719 evident how much city staff care about 2791 02:10:20,719 --> 02:10:23,440 their jobs and do a great job to keep us 2792 02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:26,639 in great shape. So um [clears throat] 2793 02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:28,719 like Chris said, my name is Mike Wimpy. 2794 02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:30,639 I've uh had the opportunity to serve on 2795 02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:32,480 the public works advisory commission 2796 02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:36,159 going now into a second term and um my 2797 02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:39,280 work outside of uh volunteering with the 2798 02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,159 city is as assistant general manager at 2799 02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,920 central Utah water conservancy district 2800 02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,159 and so I'm lucky to have opportunity to 2801 02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:48,719 work with city staff both in a volunteer 2802 02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:50,560 capacity as well in my as well as in my 2803 02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:52,960 professional capacity uh on a regular 2804 02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:56,800 basis. Other uh council or other members 2805 02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,280 of the commission include Gary Moley. 2806 02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:02,400 He's a retired doctor. Uh Jim Michaelus, 2807 02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,960 who I think was the prior chair and he's 2808 02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:08,079 a retired UVU, uh was responsible for a 2809 02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,320 lot of their facilities and buildings 2810 02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:12,159 and did a great job leading the 2811 02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:16,239 commission. Joseph Gordon, um linguistic 2812 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:17,840 project manager at Utah Translation 2813 02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,560 Analysis Center. Rob Moore. And you'll 2814 02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:23,119 note that Rob is uh also from Central 2815 02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:25,199 Utah Water Conservancy District. That 2816 02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:27,440 didn't happen. Uh he worked at the 2817 02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,599 county in the county attorney's office 2818 02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:31,760 and we were so impressed with him that 2819 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:33,360 we were lucky enough to convince him to 2820 02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,520 come work with us at Central Utah Water. 2821 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:37,679 Uh but that he was he was appointed to 2822 02:11:37,679 --> 02:11:38,960 the commission while he was still an 2823 02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:40,800 attorney at the county. And then Brent 2824 02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:43,679 Tobler, uh he works at West Engineering. 2825 02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:45,840 We had a member of the commission uh 2826 02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,119 Todd Hadley that just after nine years 2827 02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:52,639 uh was was no, you know, probably 2828 02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:55,119 willing but no longer uh able to serve 2829 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:58,560 on the commission. So, and then once again, like I mentioned, 2830 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,119 Councilwoman Mulestein is the liaison to 2831 02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:04,400 the commission 2832 02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:05,679 and I'm going to turn it back over to 2833 02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:07,679 you, Chris. So, all right. Thank you, 2834 02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:09,199 Mike. 2835 02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:10,719 There's a there's a brief history I'll 2836 02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:12,639 just share with you. we did last time, 2837 02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:16,400 but um in 2014 is when we created this 2838 02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:18,560 commission, the city council created 2839 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:23,520 this commission. Um we had uh I think uh 2840 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:24,960 Jim Michaels was on the original 2841 02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,639 commission. Then he left for a period of 2842 02:12:26,639 --> 02:12:28,560 time. He served a mission and then came 2843 02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,719 back and we had a vacancy and he was 2844 02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:34,239 able to to come back again. So um so we 2845 02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:36,239 had originally seven members on the 2846 02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:38,239 commission and then it was expanded in 2847 02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:41,119 uh 2017 to accommodate the need to 2848 02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:44,880 evaluate broadband and utopia and UIA 2849 02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,599 and provide additional analyses. Uh we 2850 02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:49,520 had two experts that came and joined us 2851 02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:51,520 since we had nine members on the on the 2852 02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:54,159 on our advisory commission at that time 2853 02:12:54,159 --> 02:12:58,000 and we adjusted it back in 2021 to uh to 2854 02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,360 back to seven members. So that's where 2855 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,199 we stand today. We do have one vacancy 2856 02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:03,199 as Mike mentioned and we're looking for 2857 02:13:03,199 --> 02:13:06,239 a replacement soon on that. Basically, 2858 02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,400 the duties of and responsibilities of 2859 02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:11,119 the commissioners are to uh to get more 2860 02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:12,880 acquainted with our infrastructure, our 2861 02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:16,000 facilities, the services we provide, uh 2862 02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:17,599 help us to determine the level of 2863 02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:19,119 service that we should provide to the 2864 02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,360 community with regards to water, sewer, 2865 02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:23,920 storm water, traffic, street lighting, 2866 02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,719 um street conditions, and so forth. Um 2867 02:13:26,719 --> 02:13:29,040 and then they they review uh studies 2868 02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:30,639 that are made by professionals 2869 02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:33,119 externally uh professional engineers and 2870 02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:35,760 financial consultants and after much 2871 02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:37,920 review and sometimes debate and analysis 2872 02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,679 and so forth we go back and forth and 2873 02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:41,840 then we bring recommendations to the 2874 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:44,719 council in this last fiscal year in 2875 02:13:44,719 --> 02:13:46,480 FY26. 2876 02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:48,480 Last year at this time we our meeting 2877 02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,480 was to help prepare for this actual 2878 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:53,840 presentation the one from FY25. Uh we 2879 02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,920 only met six times in the last uh 10 2880 02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,800 months or so. October 25, we had a tour 2881 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:00,480 of the ORM city hall since this was 2882 02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,119 pretty new and and nobody had been here 2883 02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:04,880 uh pre previously to that. We also had 2884 02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:07,280 our major project review that took place 2885 02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:08,719 and we're going to update you on those 2886 02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:11,760 projects here shortly. In January of 2887 02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:13,199 this year, we had our annual public 2888 02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:15,679 commission training much like uh what 2889 02:14:15,679 --> 02:14:17,599 others do on commissions and boards and 2890 02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:20,239 districts and and uh council members. 2891 02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:21,440 they have those trainings that are 2892 02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,079 required by the state regarding uh 2893 02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:26,560 public meetings and and so forth. In 2894 02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,040 March of 26, we then also had a review 2895 02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,920 of our transportation utility fund and 2896 02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:33,599 the state of our streets and condition 2897 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:35,440 of our streets were evaluated and 2898 02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:38,400 presented at that time. In April of 26, 2899 02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:41,280 we toured the uh the new or water reuse 2900 02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:43,679 facility which the council toured I 2901 02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,000 believe in in March or February of this 2902 02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:47,280 year. 2903 02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,280 So, our completed projects in the last 2904 02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:51,679 fiscal year um include number one, our 2905 02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:53,920 water reuse facility. 2906 02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:55,840 Number two, our 10 million gallon water 2907 02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:57,760 tank. It's not online right now, but 2908 02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:00,960 it's it's um it's pending, and it's in 2909 02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:03,040 tandem with the booster station and a 2910 02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,360 new well that was drilled recently. 2911 02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:06,960 Those we hope to have both of those 2912 02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:10,079 completed next year. Uh number three, I 2913 02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:13,679 would say substantially meaning 99% plus 2914 02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:16,079 um the abandonment of the Provo bench 2915 02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:18,239 and North Union canal companies. The 2916 02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:23,280 Metropolitan Water District of ORM is a member of both of those companies 2917 02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:26,079 and those companies uh for a variety of 2918 02:15:26,079 --> 02:15:28,719 reasons have chosen to to aban be 2919 02:15:28,719 --> 02:15:33,599 abandoned and uh and to dissolve. In uh 2920 02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:35,199 number four, we have our northeast storm 2921 02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,280 water improvements. I think sister or 2922 02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:40,800 sorry um about that councilwoman Elen 2923 02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,599 Millet mentioned in our work session 2924 02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:46,400 that we had substantial uh storm water 2925 02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:49,119 damages that occurred 2 years ago. After 2926 02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:51,040 that, we met with uh the neighborhood 2927 02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:52,719 and the community members in that area. 2928 02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,639 We developed plans with our engineering 2929 02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:57,280 staff and public works team and other 2930 02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,320 engineers to develop improvements and we 2931 02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:02,239 put in nearly a million dollars worth of 2932 02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:04,639 work to help uh prevent that from 2933 02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:07,599 happening in the future. Um this one 2934 02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:09,040 item here I wanted to bring to your 2935 02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:12,480 attention very specifically. Uh Jen 2936 02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:14,400 Gail, Councilwoman Gail has been heavily 2937 02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:18,000 involved with mountain biking and with 2938 02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:19,920 um with the youth and m and mountain 2939 02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:22,239 biking efforts. She's a coach I believe 2940 02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:24,800 as well. And uh we have been working 2941 02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:26,880 with her and others in our public works 2942 02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:28,560 advisory commission and the recreation 2943 02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,639 commission on the development of our 2944 02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:33,519 bike skills park. We have three phases 2945 02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:36,000 of that that are now completed. This one 2946 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:40,319 in particular is very uh challenging. 2947 02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:42,080 I've not done it myself. I know I'd 2948 02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:43,599 probably get hurt. I know for sure I 2949 02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:46,000 would. Um maybe when I was a teenager I 2950 02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,359 would go off some of these jumps and so 2951 02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:50,479 forth. We have worked with uh Mike Wimpy 2952 02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:52,559 and Kurt Beecher of Central Utah Water 2953 02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,439 Conservancy in a very professional and 2954 02:16:55,439 --> 02:16:58,479 team oriented solutionsoriented 2955 02:16:58,479 --> 02:17:01,840 process to help us to accommodate that 2956 02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,240 new bike skills facility or phase 3 is 2957 02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:06,479 what we call it that was formerly on 2958 02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:08,639 central Utah waters um property on the 2959 02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:11,120 hillside. They felt like they probably 2960 02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,040 didn't need that per se to have the 2961 02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:15,200 title to that. And we worked out an 2962 02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,200 arrangement where they needed some 2963 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:19,280 access through our park to build a 2964 02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,040 sedimentation basin below their 10 2965 02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:22,800 million gallon water tank just adjacent 2966 02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:25,920 to our Mount Bonogus Park. And so we 2967 02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,559 were very um I I appreciate Mike and 2968 02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:31,679 Kirk Kirk and Beecher and and the effort 2969 02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:34,559 that they put forward and the motivation 2970 02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:36,479 that they had. I think this is a prime 2971 02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,679 example of how public servants in 2972 02:17:39,679 --> 02:17:41,920 different agencies can work together to 2973 02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:44,479 solve mutual problems for the greater 2974 02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,399 good of the community. I'm just really 2975 02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:48,479 thrilled with that that project and the 2976 02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:50,639 effort that went forward. We had uh 2977 02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:52,960 others from our legal legal staff that 2978 02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:56,399 were involved and and then including um 2979 02:17:56,399 --> 02:18:00,800 Aaron Mcnite and Steve and uh our our um 2980 02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:04,000 city manager and also Brenby and and 2981 02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,160 Ryan, our assistant city manager, as 2982 02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:09,599 well as Bryce, our rec uh recreation and 2983 02:18:09,599 --> 02:18:12,000 library director. They were involved 2984 02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:13,920 heavily and and Tyler Pay, I should 2985 02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:16,719 mention him as well. Um, so it was it 2986 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,800 was a it was a fullcourt press on this 2987 02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:20,639 effort to get this done in in a 2988 02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:22,080 relatively short amount of time. It 2989 02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:23,120 couldn't have happened without the 2990 02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:25,519 cooperation of Central Utah. So, thank 2991 02:18:25,519 --> 02:18:28,399 you for that. Um, we were also able to 2992 02:18:28,399 --> 02:18:29,920 complete in the last year the Northridge 2993 02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:31,760 Park playground and pickle ball and 2994 02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,399 tennis courts as well as the Windsor 2995 02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:36,960 Park um at Windsor Park the new jazz 2996 02:18:36,960 --> 02:18:39,280 multiport court which is now underway 2997 02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:43,359 for a new um a new four four pickle ball 2998 02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:45,840 court facility at the recommendation of 2999 02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,359 Councilwoman Millet from a couple of 3000 02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,519 years ago uh in a council meeting that 3001 02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:53,200 was added and that is uh now underway. 3002 02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:56,399 um ongoing projects we have. Um 3003 02:18:56,399 --> 02:18:58,000 I'll skip number one right now. We're 3004 02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,439 going to come right back to that. I'll 3005 02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:00,639 I'm going to go over these other ones 3006 02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:02,559 quickly. Well number 10 is located at 3007 02:19:02,559 --> 02:19:04,160 four south and fourth west. That's the 3008 02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:06,719 well that I mentioned that is being uh 3009 02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,280 has been drilled and developed. We now 3010 02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:11,439 we need to put a wellhouse on top with a 3011 02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:15,920 new pump and a new uh a new um a motor 3012 02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:17,599 and so forth and and get that on 3013 02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:19,519 operational. That'll take place over the 3014 02:19:19,519 --> 02:19:22,800 next uh 12 uh 12 months. the booster 3015 02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:24,880 station right next to it. Um you you 3016 02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:26,479 noticed that there was a massive hole on 3017 02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:27,920 the ground over there that's been filled 3018 02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,399 in and that's all in preparation to take 3019 02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:31,920 that water out of the new water tank 3020 02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:33,920 which is a 10 million gallon water tank. 3021 02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:35,679 Put it into our system. We're 3022 02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:37,599 diversifying the location of our water 3023 02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:39,519 sources in the event we do have 3024 02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:41,840 emergencies. For example, on the on the 3025 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,519 hillside over here, we have the Wasatch 3026 02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:46,080 fault. So that'll help to remedy any 3027 02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,960 concerns that might arise as a a result 3028 02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:53,439 of a a major seismic event. We've been 3029 02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:55,840 also updating uh the commission 3030 02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:58,080 regarding the UDOT Geneva Road widening 3031 02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,560 and Lake View Parkway project. Most of 3032 02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:02,319 that, if not all of that is done in 3033 02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:05,600 Provo and then a good portion of it is 3034 02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:07,760 underway right now. We've also been 3035 02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:09,680 working with uh the parks and recreation 3036 02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:11,600 department on developing entryway and 3037 02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,040 city park monument signs. Um I don't 3038 02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:16,560 know Mike if you would like to take a 3039 02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:18,960 minute to address that first one. Uh the 3040 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:22,000 central Utah water reuse feasibility 3041 02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:22,640 study. 3042 02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:24,960 >> Sure. Um Central Utah [clears throat] 3043 02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:26,880 Water about 20 years ago had the 3044 02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:29,600 opportunity to acquire all of the former 3045 02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,160 Geneva Steel water rights and water 3046 02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,160 related infrastructure. 3047 02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,880 And um when we acquired that water, we 3048 02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:38,880 didn't have a customer for the water. 3049 02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:41,439 And as we went out to the various cities 3050 02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:44,560 and and gauged interest and demand for 3051 02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:47,439 that water. Um it was a little bit slow. 3052 02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:52,240 2008 the the crash occurred and uh we we 3053 02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:53,920 were wondering if we would ever sell all 3054 02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:56,240 that water. Well, that water is long 3055 02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:58,800 gone. Um, everybody is scrambling and 3056 02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:00,560 coming in asking where is there more 3057 02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:02,800 water that we can purchase to supply to 3058 02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:06,319 our communities. And [clears throat] we 3059 02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:09,680 approached Chris and Reed and as we 3060 02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:12,479 became more aware of the reuse, many of 3061 02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:14,000 you know that reuse in the state of 3062 02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,520 Utah, throughout the country, reuse is 3063 02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:18,319 occurring and being uh leaned on heavily 3064 02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:22,319 to augment existing supplies in Utah. Um 3065 02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:24,800 it you know 101 15 years ago it was seen 3066 02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:26,399 that any drop of water that makes it to 3067 02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,800 the Great Salt Lake is wasted and that 3068 02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,880 mentality has shifted over the the last 3069 02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:32,960 several years as we've recognized the 3070 02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:35,280 importance the ecological importance of 3071 02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:36,560 the Great Salt Lake and health 3072 02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:38,880 importance for the community. And so uh 3073 02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:42,800 reuse is no longer uh permitted within 3074 02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:46,800 the state without an a makeup or a 3075 02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:48,319 replacement water going to the Great 3076 02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:52,080 Salt Lake. Fortunately, um, leaders here 3077 02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:55,280 at the city 20 over 20 years ago, 2003, 3078 02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,760 I believe, submitted an application to 3079 02:21:57,760 --> 02:21:59,840 be able to have the right to reuse the 3080 02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:02,160 water from ORM's wastewater uh 3081 02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:05,920 reclamation facility. And so, as uh you 3082 02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,560 all have have to facility, you're aware 3083 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:12,240 that ORM is applying that that water uh 3084 02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:16,640 to city uh city parks and golf course. 3085 02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,160 However, there's there's more supply 3086 02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:21,280 down there than than I understand is is 3087 02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:24,399 needed for the city um facilities. And 3088 02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:26,640 so, Central Utah Water approached Chris 3089 02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:29,813 and Reed and asked about the uh what the 3090 02:22:29,813 --> 02:22:31,200 [clears throat] plans are for that water 3091 02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:32,960 and how we might best, like Chris said, 3092 02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:34,880 I think the biggest thing that the the 3093 02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:36,479 relationship we've had has been able to 3094 02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:38,399 look at what is in the best interest of 3095 02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:40,880 the public. And so we've been working 3096 02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:43,920 closely together with city staff looking 3097 02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:46,319 at different options to potentially take 3098 02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:49,200 that water and uh put it to to the best 3099 02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:52,160 use of our community. So um and we're 3100 02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:53,359 right in the middle of that. Probably 3101 02:22:53,359 --> 02:22:58,160 don't have much to report yet, but we're we had a meeting today and we're 3102 02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:00,479 looking at really good options uh to to 3103 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:03,120 be able to utilize that water. We're 3104 02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,120 excited about what the potential is for 3105 02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:06,880 that. It could be a variety of things. 3106 02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:08,880 For example, it could be land applied 3107 02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:10,800 for for water reuse. It could be used to 3108 02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:12,880 augment the the water supply. It could 3109 02:23:12,880 --> 02:23:14,800 be used to actually develop and put it 3110 02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,040 back into our drinking water system. I 3111 02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:18,800 know that doesn't sound very appetizing, 3112 02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:20,800 but there are many communities in the 3113 02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:22,640 Phoenix area that go direct potable 3114 02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:24,319 water from the the end of the uh 3115 02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,240 wastewater treatment plant. That water 3116 02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:28,319 has a higher degree of water quality 3117 02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:29,600 than the drinking water that we 3118 02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:33,120 currently consume today. So, it's one of 3119 02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:35,200 many opportunities or options that will 3120 02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,200 be out there in the future. We couldn't 3121 02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:38,880 do something like this without the 3122 02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:40,880 partnership of someone like uh Central 3123 02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:43,280 Utah Waters. We're grateful for that. We 3124 02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:45,359 have some upcoming projects uh big 3125 02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:47,680 projects that are coming on right now. 3126 02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:49,680 We're in the m middle of working with 3127 02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:53,520 our engineer uh firm Hansen on Loose to 3128 02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,920 uh develop the new well number one. It's 3129 02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:58,399 actually this well number one was 3130 02:23:58,399 --> 02:24:01,120 drilled in 195758 3131 02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:02,800 and developed. That's our first well in 3132 02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:04,640 the city. However, we are abandoning 3133 02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:07,120 that and we're going to be drilling a 3134 02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:09,760 new well at the Hillrest Park and that 3135 02:24:09,760 --> 02:24:12,479 is going to be starting in this coming 3136 02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:15,920 fall. Uh number two is our city center 3137 02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:19,200 200 East City Center, excuse me, 200 3138 02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:21,680 East Center Street over here. Um it's 3139 02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:23,359 our city center well. we call it well 3140 02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:25,359 number five that's been in place since 3141 02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:29,359 the late uh or the mid mid60s 3142 02:24:29,359 --> 02:24:31,200 that is in need of uh some major 3143 02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:32,800 overhaul and replacement that'll be 3144 02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:36,000 taking place this coming year west 16th 3145 02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:37,600 north uh we've talked about this for 3146 02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:39,120 some time but we're finally at this 3147 02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,000 point where after we uh do some bonding 3148 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,800 uh coming up in this uh this fall we'll 3149 02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:46,800 be able to start that and and and start 3150 02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:49,439 drilling that well number 11 at west 3151 02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:51,439 16th north in conjunction with that 3152 02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:52,880 there will be a pioneer 3153 02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:55,439 children's memorial at that location. 3154 02:24:55,439 --> 02:24:57,600 And in conjunction with that on number 3155 02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,000 four, we're looking at also the family 3156 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,840 and children memorial garden at this 3157 02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:04,479 orange uh city cemetery. 3158 02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:08,800 So, um thank you. We uh we appreciate 3159 02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:11,920 your support and uh we're excited about 3160 02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:13,920 the work we do and what we do. uh 3161 02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:16,560 providing for the community is uh is 3162 02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,960 extremely important to us and we have 3163 02:25:18,960 --> 02:25:22,080 great professionals uh in this in these 3164 02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,800 areas of need and service that we're 3165 02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:26,160 grateful and that we lean on quite 3166 02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:28,319 heavily and we thank you for your 3167 02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:30,080 support and and supporting these needs 3168 02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:32,160 too. Are there any questions? 3169 02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:34,880 >> Say thank you. I know that you said it's 3170 02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:37,600 hard to follow the fire department, but 3171 02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:40,399 your I would argue that that your port 3172 02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:44,800 your department and what you do is very important as well for our health 3173 02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:46,800 and safety of our our community just in 3174 02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,840 a different way and appreciate that. 3175 02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:50,720 >> Thank you. 3176 02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:53,200 >> Council, do you have any questions or 3177 02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:56,160 comments? Um, Council Member Gail. 3178 02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:58,160 >> Well, first I want to say thank you. Um, 3179 02:25:58,160 --> 02:25:59,840 and second, I want to just say how 3180 02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:02,319 struck I am by the quality and 3181 02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:04,080 professionalism of your sta, your 3182 02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:05,280 commission. I mean, you have some really 3183 02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:06,800 tip-top people in there with lots of 3184 02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:08,319 experience, and I'm super impressed by 3185 02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:10,240 that, and really grateful that they are 3186 02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:11,359 behind these things that are so 3187 02:26:11,359 --> 02:26:12,720 important to our infrastructure and, you 3188 02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:14,399 know, our day-to-day life. So, thank you 3189 02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:15,600 for the work you do. 3190 02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:17,439 >> Thank you. 3191 02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:20,240 >> Great. Anyone else? All right. Thank you 3192 02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:22,319 so much. And I I love hearing about the 3193 02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:24,560 cooperation and the partnerships that 3194 02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:27,359 we're having. And so, thank you. Thank 3195 02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:29,546 you. 3196 02:26:29,546 --> 02:26:30,800 [gasps] 3197 02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,200 >> All right. The next item on the agenda 3198 02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:35,280 is time set aside for public 3199 02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:36,800 appearances. 3200 02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:38,720 Times been set aside for the public to 3201 02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:40,640 express their ideas, concerns, and 3202 02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,200 comments on items not scheduled as 3203 02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:45,439 public hearings on the agenda. Those 3204 02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:47,600 wishing to speak are encouraged to show 3205 02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:50,319 respect for those who serve the city. 3206 02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:52,399 Comments should focus on issues 3207 02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:55,680 concerning the city. And those who will 3208 02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:57,920 be invited to speak have already um I 3209 02:26:57,920 --> 02:26:59,439 have the signup sheet will have signed 3210 02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:02,800 in and you'll have the opportunity to 3211 02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:06,399 have up to 3 minutes to to share your 3212 02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:09,680 thoughts. So we'll go ahead and we will 3213 02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:14,080 start. Let's see. Looks like we do have 3214 02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:15,520 a note here that says please only sign 3215 02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,359 up for yourself in order to be fair for 3216 02:27:17,359 --> 02:27:19,840 those that want. So is everybody Well, 3217 02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:21,760 you wouldn't know the answer. Everyone 3218 02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:22,880 never mind. I was going to ask a 3219 02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:24,960 question, but it doesn't make sense. All 3220 02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:28,720 right. Milo, 3221 02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:31,120 is Milo here? 3222 02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:32,720 All right. I don't see him. I guess I 3223 02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:34,319 could have asked that question, but 3224 02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:37,680 never mind. All right. He's Is it Teo 3225 02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:39,920 Teao? 3226 02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:42,000 Uh, Buckingham. 3227 02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,399 And then it's up. And then after Mr. 3228 02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:48,802 Buckingham, it's Kathy Ambrose. Welcome. 3229 02:27:48,802 --> 02:27:49,840 [snorts] 3230 02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,387 >> Thank you, council person. 3231 02:27:53,387 --> 02:27:54,960 >> [clears throat] 3232 02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:56,880 >> Good evening, Oramm City Council. My 3233 02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:58,800 name is Teao Buckingham. I've lived in 3234 02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:01,439 Orum for six years. My son has lived 3235 02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:03,760 here his whole life. He loves our 3236 02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:05,600 neighbors like I love our neighbors, 3237 02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:08,800 many of whom are fathers like me. It is 3238 02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:10,479 for this reason that I am making a 3239 02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:12,720 request to this council to issue an 3240 02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:15,359 executive order or formal resolution 3241 02:28:15,359 --> 02:28:17,600 barring ICE agents and those working in 3242 02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,600 cooperation with them from using 3243 02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:22,319 city-owned property for immigration 3244 02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,640 enforcement activities. This includes 3245 02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:27,760 parks, schools, libraries, and public 3246 02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:30,240 buildings and their parking lots. These 3247 02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,640 places where we gather as families and 3248 02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:35,200 neighbors and community cannot become an 3249 02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:37,200 operations ground for masked agents who 3250 02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:39,359 have killed multiple people this year 3251 02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:40,960 who have been seen to operate with 3252 02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:44,160 impunity. My immigrant neighbors are 3253 02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:46,479 equally entitled to and deserving of 3254 02:28:46,479 --> 02:28:48,640 safety and protection from these racist 3255 02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:51,200 deportation operations. Regardless of 3256 02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:54,399 documentation status, they are mothers, 3257 02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:57,120 fathers, aunties, uncles, cousins, 3258 02:28:57,120 --> 02:28:59,920 lovers, and friends. all of whom belong 3259 02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:02,880 here in Family City, USA. That is all I 3260 02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:05,120 have for public comment. Thank you. 3261 02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:07,920 >> Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. All 3262 02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:12,240 right, Kathy Ambrose. And then after 3263 02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:15,920 Miss Ambrose, we have Ally Ac. 3264 02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:17,120 >> Thank you. And I want to thank the 3265 02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:20,720 council for their uh long days during 3266 02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:22,800 city council meetings for uh serving the 3267 02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,200 city. Um, for the last seven years I've 3268 02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,520 served as the executive director of Hope 3269 02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:30,399 for ORM. It's a self-funded zero 3270 02:29:30,399 --> 02:29:32,640 solicitation suicide prevention 3271 02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:36,000 nonprofit that serves the city. Every 3272 02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,720 year we provide zerocost mental health 3273 02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,640 resources to our community. We fund 3274 02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:42,399 higher education scholarships for 3275 02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:44,240 graduating seniors at all three high 3276 02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:47,840 schools. Over 15,000 to date have been 3277 02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:51,040 donated. We provide free CPR crisis 3278 02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,280 training to any entity that requests our 3279 02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:56,720 service. We also entirely fund an annual 3280 02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:59,200 mental wellness resource fair at no cost 3281 02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:02,240 to ORM, the city, and surrounding 3282 02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:03,920 communities. 3283 02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,000 Despite our history with the city and 3284 02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:07,920 the previously signed contract and 3285 02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:10,160 months of preparation, 3286 02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:11,760 um administrative restructuring 3287 02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:13,680 surrounding this year's Armfest resulted 3288 02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:15,680 in Hope form being asked not to 3289 02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:17,840 participate. 3290 02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:20,479 We were grouped together with commercial 3291 02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:24,240 vendors and transactional nonprofits. 3292 02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:26,640 That classification does not accurately 3293 02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:30,319 reflect how hope for ORM operates. We 3294 02:30:30,319 --> 02:30:34,000 use zero transaction, zero on onboarding 3295 02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,399 model. We don't sell programs. We don't 3296 02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:38,479 collect data. We don't pitch 3297 02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:41,359 subscriptions or service for services. 3298 02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:44,160 We exist solely as a public safety and 3299 02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:47,280 community resource. And hope for ORM 3300 02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:49,680 belongs at ORMFest. In previous years, 3301 02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:51,600 Hope Forum's footprint has been located 3302 02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:54,399 in the municipal public safety quarter 3303 02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:57,439 by police, fire, and public utilities. 3304 02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,359 We believe that that is the most 3305 02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:01,359 appropriate location for our suicide 3306 02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:02,800 prevention and mental wellness 3307 02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:04,880 resources. 3308 02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,880 Placing our station directly alongside 3309 02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:09,359 the city emergency services creates a 3310 02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:11,359 centralized care and resource zone for 3311 02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:13,280 residents. It keeps crisis and mental 3312 02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:15,200 health resources logically connected 3313 02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:17,680 with the city's first responders. It 3314 02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:19,439 also keeps our nonprofit footprint 3315 02:31:19,439 --> 02:31:21,920 separate from commercial traffic and 3316 02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:23,840 related activities. 3317 02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:28,399 I am proposing to protect 3318 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,080 our community and provide administrative 3319 02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:32,080 clarity for city staff. We have 3320 02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:34,160 submitted a formal proposal to the city 3321 02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:37,200 manager. We are requesting a formal 3322 02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:39,920 memorandum of understanding. The purpose 3323 02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:41,600 would be to officially recognize Hope 3324 02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,760 Forum's inkind scholarship contributions 3325 02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:47,439 to ORM students to establish us in the 3326 02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:49,280 permanent public safety and community 3327 02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:52,000 resource category and protect our booth 3328 02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:54,080 footprint from blanket commercial roll 3329 02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:57,120 backs in future years. Um I've provided 3330 02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:59,600 copies of our proposal um and an 3331 02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:02,319 executive summary to the city recorder. 3332 02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:05,439 Um, and I'm asking the council to direct 3333 02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:07,040 the city manager to schedule a brief 3334 02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,359 meeting with hope for ORM during the off 3335 02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:12,000 season for from Ormfest. 3336 02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,439 Um, our goal is to work together to 3337 02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:15,040 finalize a clear framework that will 3338 02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,600 avoid this issue in future years. I 3339 02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:19,439 would like to personally invite each of 3340 02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:22,240 you also to come to the mental wellness 3341 02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:24,880 resource fair on Monday, August 31st at 3342 02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:28,160 Oram Library Hall. It's completely free. 3343 02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:30,960 It's entirely funded by hope for ORM. 3344 02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:34,640 It's open to everyone and it features 3345 02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:37,680 community providers, resources, music, 3346 02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:40,640 keynote address. Um I couldn't get Cosmo 3347 02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:42,319 or Willie because they're going to be 3348 02:32:42,319 --> 02:32:43,840 playing a game against each other. So 3349 02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:46,800 they said no. But besides that um we 3350 02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:48,960 would love to see um this community 3351 02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:51,359 network in action and I will email a 3352 02:32:51,359 --> 02:32:52,880 copy of all the documents also. Thank 3353 02:32:52,880 --> 02:32:53,680 you. 3354 02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:55,439 >> Thank you. And just so you know, we all 3355 02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:57,120 have I think we all have copies. 3356 02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:59,680 >> Are there any questions for me? So, 3357 02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:01,439 we'll go ahead and u we've got your 3358 02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:03,439 contact information and All right. Thank 3359 02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:04,960 you. 3360 02:33:04,960 --> 02:33:07,600 All right. Next, we have Ally AC. And 3361 02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:12,000 then after Miss AC, we have Ethan Staer. 3362 02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:13,680 It's so nice you said AC right. Everyone 3363 02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:15,439 else mispronounces it. So, thank you. 3364 02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:16,960 >> Oh, I've got one of those last names, 3365 02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,479 too. That [laughter] 3366 02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:20,800 >> Well, um I'm up here also to talk about 3367 02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:25,600 ICE in ORM. Um, right now ICE is held 3368 02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:28,000 very unaccountable by the American 3369 02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:29,840 government and so I'm hoping to ask my 3370 02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:33,200 city to be better. Um, I am asking that 3371 02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:35,840 ORM city pass a formal policy directing 3372 02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:38,160 local law enforcement not to honor ICE 3373 02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,240 civil immigration detainers without a 3374 02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:42,640 jur judicial warrant signed by a judge, 3375 02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,560 not an administrative warrant signed by 3376 02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:48,399 ICE alone. Uh this ability for ICE to 3377 02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:50,479 basically determine itself that they can 3378 02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:52,880 grab someone is a strict violation of 3379 02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:55,359 the fourth amendment which declares that 3380 02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:57,200 um people are protected from 3381 02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:59,120 unreasonable searches and seizures. And 3382 02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:00,399 I know a lot of people might say, well, 3383 02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:01,760 they're not citizens. They don't get to 3384 02:34:01,760 --> 02:34:03,840 have the rights or whatever. First of 3385 02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:05,520 all, we said we say liberty and justice 3386 02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:07,840 for all at the end of the um at the end 3387 02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:09,760 of the Declaration of Independence. But 3388 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:14,000 also without these laws being applied to 3389 02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,479 um to all people then it gives law 3390 02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:18,720 enforcement the ability to grab people 3391 02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:20,640 and act say that they didn't think they 3392 02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,160 were a citizen without having being able 3393 02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:24,000 to prove it. It is a very dangerous 3394 02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:27,280 thing to allow groups especially groups 3395 02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:29,920 like ICE that are famously unaccountable 3396 02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:31,760 right now being held unaccountable right 3397 02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:33,920 now um to be able to do whatever they 3398 02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:36,000 want and then say oh no we didn't we 3399 02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:37,920 didn't [clears throat] check. Um, people 3400 02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:40,399 are I have many friends who are here 3401 02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:41,760 legally or and they're they're 3402 02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:42,880 documented. They were born here and 3403 02:34:42,880 --> 02:34:43,680 they're scared they're going to be 3404 02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:46,080 snatched off on the road because of 3405 02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:47,600 their way they look. I mean, just 3406 02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:49,200 because the Supreme Court says they can 3407 02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:53,280 racially uh they can be um racially 3408 02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:55,439 profiled uh ICE is allowed to do that 3409 02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:57,120 doesn't mean it's right. Um I was 3410 02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,760 recently visiting what an old um 3411 02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:01,680 Japanese internment camp and just 3412 02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:03,040 because something is legal doesn't mean 3413 02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:05,200 it's right. And I think we have a place 3414 02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:07,760 in our legal power to prevent these 3415 02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:09,760 harmful inhumane treatments that are 3416 02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:11,040 being happening to our neighbors 3417 02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:14,000 documented or not. And I think that ORM 3418 02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:16,640 should has the ability to be held to a 3419 02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:18,960 higher standard and standard and hold 3420 02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:20,800 our federal officers to a higher 3421 02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:22,800 standard as well. So again, pass a 3422 02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:24,960 formal policy directing local law 3423 02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:26,640 enforcement not to honor ICE civil 3424 02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:28,399 immigration detainers without a judicial 3425 02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:30,399 warrant signed by a judge, not an 3426 02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:31,920 administrative warrant signed by ICE 3427 02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:33,840 alone. Thank you so much. 3428 02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:36,399 >> Thank you. 3429 02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:40,640 All right, we have um Ethan Ster 3430 02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:44,720 and then after after him we have um Judy 3431 02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:47,439 Christensen. 3432 02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:49,600 Hello mayor and city council people. I'm 3433 02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:51,600 sure by now my face has become a tired 3434 02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:54,720 one to see, but I have spent the last 3435 02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:56,080 this is my third city council meeting 3436 02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:57,439 now in a row that I will be talking 3437 02:35:57,439 --> 02:35:59,040 about the flock cameras that are around 3438 02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:01,359 the city. Um, I've already talked about 3439 02:36:01,359 --> 02:36:03,120 the privacy concerns I think they pose 3440 02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:04,960 as well as the ways that ICE can abuse 3441 02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:07,280 them. Um, but today I would like to talk 3442 02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:09,120 about some real stories of real people. 3443 02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:11,359 Now, these stories will involve uh 3444 02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:12,720 political buzzwords that I'm sure you 3445 02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:14,800 will have your own opinions about. I 3446 02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:16,479 urge you to look past these buzzwords 3447 02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:17,760 because they aren't the point of the 3448 02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:19,200 story, whether you are in favor or 3449 02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,040 against them, and to look at the actual 3450 02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:22,479 story itself and what's actually 3451 02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:23,638 happening. 3452 02:36:23,638 --> 02:36:23,680 >> [gasps] 3453 02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,240 >> There's a woman from Texas who left her 3454 02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:28,080 home state, where abortion is illegal, 3455 02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:29,600 to get an abortion in the state of 3456 02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:32,080 Illinois. She was tracked down using the 3457 02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:34,960 flock system by police officers in her 3458 02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:37,520 home state of Texas and arrested for 3459 02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:39,359 getting this abortion despite doing it 3460 02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:43,040 in a state where it is legal. In Utah, 3461 02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,520 abortions are legal until the 18th week. 3462 02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,479 She could have come here to do this. And 3463 02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:49,920 if she did, she would have still been 3464 02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:52,240 tracked down and arrested by her own 3465 02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:55,120 state police officers in her city. I'm 3466 02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:56,640 not asking whether you think that the 3467 02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:58,240 abortion is right or if you think that 3468 02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:00,000 she shouldn't have done that. I am 3469 02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:01,760 asking if you think that police officers 3470 02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:04,319 have the right to overrule city laws and 3471 02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:05,840 track people outside of their 3472 02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:08,479 jurisdictions using this system that has 3473 02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:10,960 little to no oversight. Now, the woman 3474 02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:12,960 was released. She did not get any 3475 02:37:12,960 --> 02:37:15,040 criminal charges, but this is a 3476 02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:16,399 situation that shouldn't have been able 3477 02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:18,479 to happen in the first place. She 3478 02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:20,560 shouldn't have been arrested to begin 3479 02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:23,359 with. She didn't break any law and she 3480 02:37:23,359 --> 02:37:25,120 adhered to every law in every 3481 02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:27,520 jurisdiction that she was in. There is 3482 02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:30,000 another man in a similar situation. He 3483 02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:31,840 left his state where it was illegal to 3484 02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:34,319 have recreational marijuana and bought 3485 02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:36,000 one in a state where it is legal to buy 3486 02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:39,120 it. He was arrested similarly by police 3487 02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,600 officers who used flock to track him 3488 02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:43,920 down. Again, I am not asking your 3489 02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,760 opinions on the use of recreational 3490 02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:47,760 marijuana. Whether you are in favor of 3491 02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:50,240 that or against that is not relevant. It 3492 02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:51,680 is whether you think that police 3493 02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:53,600 officers should be able to use this 3494 02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:55,439 system, this international private 3495 02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:58,080 system with no oversight to track down 3496 02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:00,479 people outside of their jurisdictions 3497 02:38:00,479 --> 02:38:02,399 and arrest them for crimes that aren't 3498 02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:04,560 illegal where they committed them. I 3499 02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:06,720 think that this system is highly corrupt 3500 02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:08,640 and it is highly dangerous beyond all 3501 02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:10,000 the other issues that I've already 3502 02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,560 raised with you all. I hope that you 3503 02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:13,920 guys are listening to my words and you 3504 02:38:13,920 --> 02:38:15,520 guys will do what you can to terminate 3505 02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:18,479 any flock contracts that the city has 3506 02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:20,560 and be able to take these cameras down 3507 02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:22,319 because I do not see any way that they 3508 02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:24,800 truly benefit the people of ORM or the 3509 02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:26,560 people around the nation who have to use 3510 02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:30,080 this national database. Thank you. 3511 02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:31,920 >> Thank you. 3512 02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:34,080 And our final personal appearance this 3513 02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:42,550 evening is um Judy Christensen. Welcome 3514 02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:46,560 to our honorable mayor and ORM city 3515 02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:48,960 council. Like was said, I'm Judy 3516 02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:51,200 Christensen. I've had the privilege of 3517 02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:54,319 calling ORM home for 35 years. I've 3518 02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:56,800 raised all five of my children here and 3519 02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:59,520 I'm really proud to live here. I love 3520 02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,680 it. I think it's a beautiful place. I'm 3521 02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:06,240 grateful for all of my 3522 02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:08,479 all the many residents, including 3523 02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:11,520 yourselves, who help to keep and 3524 02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:15,760 safeguard our city. I have actually 3525 02:39:15,760 --> 02:39:17,359 wasn't planning to say this, but I do 3526 02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:20,479 have firsthand experience with hope um 3527 02:39:20,479 --> 02:39:23,680 for ORM and I've seen a lot of good that 3528 02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:27,680 it's done for kids who are um in really 3529 02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:30,080 um hard situations [clears throat] and 3530 02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:32,880 it's helped families as well. I am here 3531 02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:35,200 to respectfully reiterate my request 3532 02:39:35,200 --> 02:39:37,600 that this council pass a formal 3533 02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:39,600 resolution prohibiting the use of 3534 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,000 municipal funds, staff, time, 3535 02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:44,560 facilities, and um for federal 3536 02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,640 immigration enforcement and to ensure 3537 02:39:46,640 --> 02:39:48,240 the safety and trust of all our 3538 02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:52,720 residents. I have friends and neighbors 3539 02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:56,319 and close um 3540 02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:59,760 acquaintances who are here legally but 3541 02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,720 are scared. And I think it's very sad. 3542 02:40:02,720 --> 02:40:06,399 Um I would like to have some p some 3543 02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:10,319 transparency from our city knowing 3544 02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:14,319 um that we I just would like to prohibit 3545 02:40:14,319 --> 02:40:16,640 the voluntary disclosure of of our 3546 02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:18,720 individuals here as far as their 3547 02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:20,880 immigration status to federal 3548 02:40:20,880 --> 02:40:22,640 authorities and to establish a 3549 02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:25,359 requirement that our city publicly 3550 02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:27,359 report any interactions that they have 3551 02:40:27,359 --> 02:40:29,520 with federal immigration 3552 02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:32,160 authorities. I think that we can be kind 3553 02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:34,160 and respectful to all of our residents 3554 02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:38,000 and and do things with um 3555 02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,240 with taste and with compassion. That's 3556 02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:42,080 all I have to say. Thank you. 3557 02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:45,040 >> Thank you. Thank you to all of you who 3558 02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:48,000 have come tonight to to share your 3559 02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:51,040 thoughts. I I really appreciate it. 3560 02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:53,840 Right. The next item on the agenda is a 3561 02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:57,040 consent item and it's updating our city 3562 02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:59,120 council meeting schedule. and council. 3563 02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:01,200 You'll see [gasps] in that proposed 3564 02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:04,640 schedule that our next meeting, August 3565 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:07,439 25th, is going to be a work session 3566 02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:11,840 only. And then we will on that Tuesday, 3567 02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:13,359 we'll have that work session. And then 3568 02:41:13,359 --> 02:41:16,960 you'll see on August 27th, that Thursday 3569 02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:20,319 is going to be a another city council 3570 02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:22,160 meeting. And that's going to be only 3571 02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:24,000 truth and taxation hearing. So there's 3572 02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:25,200 nothing else that will be on that 3573 02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:26,560 agenda. We won't be doing personal 3574 02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:34,160 appearances or any other other types of actions. We'll be focusing on that truth and taxation hearing on 3575 02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:37,760 August 27th. And so the consent item is 3576 02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:42,080 to um amend the calendar, update the 3577 02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:45,280 calendar to um August 25th being a work 3578 02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:47,840 session only. So if you're comfortable 3579 02:41:47,840 --> 02:41:49,760 with that, I would entertain a motion to 3580 02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:51,439 approve the consent item. 3581 02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:53,120 >> Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve the 3582 02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:54,399 consent item. 3583 02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:55,920 >> All right. Have a motion. Is there a 3584 02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:56,399 second? 3585 02:41:56,399 --> 02:41:57,760 >> I second. 3586 02:41:57,760 --> 02:41:59,840 >> All right. I'm going to start off voting 3587 02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:02,399 and I'm going to go this way. I'm gonna 3588 02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:03,680 vote I 3589 02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:05,120 >> I I 3590 02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:07,680 >> I. 3591 02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:08,960 >> Quinn. 3592 02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:10,080 >> I. 3593 02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:13,600 >> All right. Motion carries. Thank you. 3594 02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:16,399 Next item on the agenda is our scheduled 3595 02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:21,120 item. It's a a resolution to uh for 3596 02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:23,280 appointments to the Justice Court 3597 02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:27,280 nominating commission. Now, uh Mr. Earl, 3598 02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:28,880 do you have a presentation or are we 3599 02:42:28,880 --> 02:42:31,280 just we're just doing the doing the 3600 02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:32,160 nomination? 3601 02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:35,280 >> Uh it depends on what information you'd 3602 02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:36,640 like. We already discussed this in the 3603 02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:39,200 work session. And so basically the uh 3604 02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:41,439 the item to be acted upon is just the 3605 02:42:41,439 --> 02:42:43,840 appointment of uh two individuals to 3606 02:42:43,840 --> 02:42:45,680 serve on the justice court nominating 3607 02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:48,560 commission. And I'm happy to uh give 3608 02:42:48,560 --> 02:42:50,240 more information on that or if you're 3609 02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:52,720 ready to move forward on a motion that 3610 02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:53,760 would be fine too. 3611 02:42:53,760 --> 02:42:55,760 >> Okay. I'll just for the for those in the 3612 02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:58,000 audience just to so you know we ORM has 3613 02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:00,319 a justice court and the justice court 3614 02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:02,560 judge has given notice that he he would 3615 02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,399 like to retire at the end of the year 3616 02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,479 and since we thought somebody who's 3617 02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:09,040 going to force somebody to stay he's 3618 02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:11,040 going to retire at the end of the year 3619 02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:13,280 and there is a process that's run 3620 02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:14,640 through the state the court 3621 02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:17,840 administrator's office on how to select 3622 02:43:17,840 --> 02:43:21,280 a new justice court judge and there is a 3623 02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:24,240 nominating commission that is the law 3624 02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:26,800 spells out a group of different groups 3625 02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:28,160 of people who are part of that 3626 02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:31,680 nominating commission and two of those 3627 02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:34,720 positions on that nominating commission 3628 02:43:34,720 --> 02:43:38,720 uh are ones who are approved by the city 3629 02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:40,479 council and that's what this item is 3630 02:43:40,479 --> 02:43:42,560 this evening is to approve those two 3631 02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:45,680 names. Uh we a couple two council 3632 02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:49,600 members just so just have have expressed 3633 02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:53,439 interest in representing ORM city in in 3634 02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:55,840 that process. The commission will also 3635 02:43:55,840 --> 02:43:56,960 have I think some from the bar 3636 02:43:56,960 --> 02:43:58,800 association and someone from appointed 3637 02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:00,240 by Mountland Association of Governments. 3638 02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:01,279 I think the county commission. 3639 02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:02,160 >> County Commission. Yes. 3640 02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:04,640 >> County Commission. And so it's a variety 3641 02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:06,319 of individuals who will be reviewing 3642 02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:08,399 these applications to be a justice court 3643 02:44:08,399 --> 02:44:10,720 judge here in Orman. And the decision is 3644 02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:12,399 made by the city manager with the 3645 02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:15,520 ratification of the city council. So 3646 02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:18,800 council members Millet and Kilpac have 3647 02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:21,840 expressed interest council as as though 3648 02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:24,080 as ones who would like to represent the 3649 02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:26,960 city of ORM on the justice court 3650 02:44:26,960 --> 02:44:29,760 nominating commission. And if you're 3651 02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:32,399 comfortable with that, I would entertain 3652 02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:36,240 a motion to to appoint them unless you 3653 02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:37,520 have some other discussion or anything 3654 02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:44,790 you'd like to do beforehand. 3655 02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:46,319 » Mayor, can I make a motion? 3656 02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:47,279 >> Yes. 3657 02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:50,080 >> Um, I move to approve the appointment of 3658 02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:52,479 council member uh Len Millet and council 3659 02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:53,920 member Chris Kilpack to the justice 3660 02:44:53,920 --> 02:44:56,160 court nominating commission. Right. 3661 02:44:56,160 --> 02:44:57,520 Thank you. Have a motion. Is there a 3662 02:44:57,520 --> 02:45:00,000 second? 3663 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:00,960 I'll second that. 3664 02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:02,160 >> All right. Thank you, Council Member 3665 02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:04,479 Molstein. Okay, we'll go ahead and start 3666 02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:05,760 uh the vote with you, Council Member 3667 02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:07,040 Millet. 3668 02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:08,880 >> I I 3669 02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:13,359 >> I Council Member Mikum. 3670 02:45:13,359 --> 02:45:14,640 >> I 3671 02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:16,640 >> All right. Thank you. The motion carries 3672 02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:18,319 unanimously. 3673 02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:20,000 All right. Next item on our agenda is 3674 02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,000 financial items. There were no items in 3675 02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:25,279 the packet. just um Teresa wanted me to 3676 02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:27,279 just make a note of that for the 3677 02:45:27,279 --> 02:45:30,240 meeting. And then we'll go to number 12. 3678 02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:32,560 Um we have the city manager information 3679 02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:34,319 items. So I'll turn the time over to our 3680 02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:37,600 city manager, um Brenby. 3681 02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:39,279 >> Thank you, mayor and council. Just two 3682 02:45:39,279 --> 02:45:42,399 items wanted to highlight. Um I don't 3683 02:45:42,399 --> 02:45:44,560 normally mention these, but uh this 3684 02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:47,760 Thursday there is a uh a retirement 3685 02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:51,040 party for Lane Gray. And so I just 3686 02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:54,479 wanted to publicly not only invite you 3687 02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:55,840 to to come to that, it'll be at the 3688 02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:58,640 library hall from 11:30 to 1:30, but but 3689 02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:01,520 also just to uh publicly recognize Lane. 3690 02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:05,359 He is he's had a phenomenal 37year 3691 02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:07,840 career here at the city. And sometimes 3692 02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:10,479 when uh an individual is getting close 3693 02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:12,720 to retirement, they maybe are coming in 3694 02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:14,960 for a landing, but that has never been 3695 02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:17,200 the case for Lane. He is just always 3696 02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:22,160 such an incredible doer and um 37 years 3697 02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,800 of being such a a hardworking 3698 02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:28,880 individual. Um and and dealing with very 3699 02:46:28,880 --> 02:46:30,640 critical projects, you'd think that 3700 02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:33,040 maybe on occasion you might come away, 3701 02:46:33,040 --> 02:46:36,080 you know, stressed or worried or or even 3702 02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:38,560 a little bit overwhelmed. Never with 3703 02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:42,160 Lane. He he is uh just the consumate 3704 02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:45,920 humble, hungry, smart uh employee and he 3705 02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:48,640 has great catchphrases like get her done 3706 02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:52,800 and keep smiling and uh I just I love 3707 02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:55,279 the guy and and so wanted to publicly 3708 02:46:55,279 --> 02:46:57,439 recognize him and and invite you to his 3709 02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:59,200 uh retirement party at the end of this 3710 02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:00,560 week. 3711 02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:05,200 Uh there are several uh and well 3712 02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:07,600 technically all of our employees who we 3713 02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:09,760 will be recognizing at the end of next 3714 02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:12,399 week on Thursday at our building a 3715 02:47:12,399 --> 02:47:15,040 better ORUM employee appreciation party 3716 02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,439 and would love your continued help and 3717 02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:20,560 support in that uh event and we'll be 3718 02:47:20,560 --> 02:47:23,600 able to uh speak to the specific details 3719 02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:26,479 of some incredible accomplishments that 3720 02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:28,720 uh uh many of our employees have engaged 3721 02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:31,359 in over the course of the last year. And 3722 02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:33,600 um that'll just be here at uh City 3723 02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:36,000 Center Park as per usual at at the 3724 02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:39,200 stage. So um with that, that that's all 3725 02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:41,120 I have. Thank you. 3726 02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:42,479 >> All right. Thank you. I had the 3727 02:47:42,479 --> 02:47:45,840 opportunity to sign some awards today 3728 02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:47,840 and there's some pretty amazing things 3729 02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:50,240 that are our employees, which we we knew 3730 02:47:50,240 --> 02:47:52,399 they were all amazing, but it just it 3731 02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:54,479 was fun to see those 3732 02:47:54,479 --> 02:47:57,439 um in person. So, um, if there's nothing 3733 02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,840 else, I would entertain a motion to 3734 02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:03,670 adjurnn. 3735 02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:05,359 » I motion that we adjourn. 3736 02:48:05,359 --> 02:48:05,920 >> Second. 3737 02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:07,439 >> A motion and a second. All those in 3738 02:48:07,439 --> 02:48:08,640 favor, please say I. 3739 02:48:08,640 --> 02:48:09,920 >> I. 3740 02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:15,990 >> And we are adjourned before 7 p.m. 3741 02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:19,880 » Nice work, Mary.