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Troop 1776. So invite you to come up.

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Tristan,

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» please prepare in the manner you are

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» Heavenly Father, thank

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you for the rain uh which we have so

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dearly needed.

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Thank you for our uh city council

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members uh and mayor that they can help

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govern the city and be willing to do

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that. Thank you for our police officers,

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firemen, and first responders

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that

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help serve this city so well and keep us

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safe and protected [sighs]

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and help us when we're in trouble.

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Please press that throughout this

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meeting uh

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that the city council members and the

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people speaking shall

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be guided and

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that a proper decision shall be made

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[clears throat]

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in any problem to come up

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that

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the Lord be with us in this meeting in

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the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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Will the audience please rise?

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Place your hand over your heart and

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repeat the pledge with me.

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>> I aliance

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of the United States of America and to

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the republic for which it stands.

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» Thank you Tristan and Truan for

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invitation and for leading us in the

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pledge of allegiance. We really really

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appreciate it. Also I think that your

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scout troop member is pretty cool. So

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yeah, good a good one. All right. Well,

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this council meeting has one item on the

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agenda and it is a public hearing and

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ordinance and public hearing. Adopting

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an increase to the property tax rate,

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approving and adopting a final budget

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for fiscal year 2026,

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2027, including living a property tax

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sufficient to increase ongoing property

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tax revenues by $450,000

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a year. adopting the dedication of the

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general operations portion of the city

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of Orms property tax levy to the special

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safety, excuse me, public safety special

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revenue fund, adopting compensation

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programs, adopting the fees and charges

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schedule, adopting the franchise tax,

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municipal energy sales and use tax,

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telecommunications license tax,

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transient room tax, and E911 rates.

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So before I turn the time over to um

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Brandon Nelson, our our chief financial

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officer, just want to talk to you about

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how things are going to go tonight as

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far as this order and process.

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we've never this there's part of this we

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has never been done before. The state

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law specifies how how to have these

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public hearings. These whether it's

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called a truth and taxation hearing.

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we people are we take public comment

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from those who are actually physically

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present in the room. However,

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tonight we need to be taking public

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comment from those who are not here. So

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we're here virtually. Pete um or Mr.

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Wolfley. How many do we have? One. Okay.

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each person who would like to like to

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speak, we have some seats up here.

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They're all taken right now that have

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the reserve signs. And then so what I'd

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like to if we could have we'll go ahead

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start with you, sir, in in just a couple

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m in just a couple minutes. And you'll

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have three minutes to to speak. And on

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the on the little podium thing, there's

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a thing that just asks you uh the rec

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quarter has asked that you state your

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name and whether or not you're an Orm

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resident. [gasps]

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we'll take three people, the first three

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here. And then we'll go ahead and have

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participating online.

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just just to kind of keep it even as far

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as just re recognizing that we have

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people in the room as well as well in

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the on the computer. So just as a

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reminder for those of you who might be

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uh the Zoom link is for those of you who

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would like to make a public comment.

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uh Pete Wolfley will call on you if

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you're in the Zoom link and and so of

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course if you don't want to make a

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comment you can say I don't have a

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comment but if you want to watch what's

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going on and not make a comment I would

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recommend that you go to the city of ORM

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YouTube channel and you can watch this

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meeting as well. Um I'm just going

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through my list of things to say. Just

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want to remind everyone that please be respectful. We we are all here

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for the same reason. We love our

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community. We want what's best for our

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community. There are connections that we

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have here. We may not always agree, but

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we're here for the same purpose that we

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care about ORM. And I hope that this

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evening that we can treat each other

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with respect and with dignity as we go

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through and and make hear from you and

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discuss and then u make a decision. So

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this is the order that we will have.

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a presentation and then council will

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have the opportunity to ask Mr. Nelson,

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any questions, comments, anything like

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that? And when he's finished, Jennica

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Jones from our staff will come up and do

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her presentation and we will as a

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council have the opportunity to ask

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questions and make comments. And after

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Ms. Jones is done, we'll have Chief

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Robinson um from our our police chief

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come up and give a presentation. And

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then we will have that opportunity to

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ask him questions as well. And after

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we will have we make sure that we have

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asked all our questions that we want,

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we'll go I'll go ahead and I will open

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the public hearing. And so as we do

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that, for the sake of just the flow of

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the meeting, what we're going to do is

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you make your comments. I've got a whole

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stack of paper. I see our council

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members have notepads. We have our

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staff. We're going to make a note of

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what you're asking and what a comment

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is, but we're not going to answer them

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right right then. So, what we'll do is

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we'll gather them all up and then have

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the public hearing and then close the

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public hearing and then go ahead and

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answer the questions that that you may

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have that you presented or comments and

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respond and respond to those. And then

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after that we'll go ahead and the city

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council will have some more discussion

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and then we will have a vote. So that

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council are you okay with that flow on

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that? Okay. [gasps]

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you who are online you're going if

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you're on the zoom link you're going to

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be asked to given the opportunity to

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speak. So if you're an introvert like me

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which I really am an introvert um but

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want to go to the YouTube channel. So

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again, 3 minutes and but first we're

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going to have the presentation

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by uh Mr. Brandon Nelson. Thank you.

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Mayor.

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As mentioned, uh we're here tonight to

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uh discuss the proposed increase in uh

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our property tax revenues for the city

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of War uh uh 200 to 450 thou increasing

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them by 450,000. um by increasing the

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tax rate levy. So what what I was going

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to do um is go through the process um by

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which how we got to this point.

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So first thing is just a a brief budget

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calendar uh beginning in January with

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the council retreat uh various discuss

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work session discussions on various

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components of the budget throughout

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April and May. Um leading to the May

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12th tenative budget presentation uh to

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the council from staff. Um after that

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date uh we had a public hearing in June

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and and uh to discuss that tenative

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budget and at that time whether to in

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essence move forward with the truth and

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taxation by uh moving forward with that

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tax increase proposal and at that time

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then an interim budget was adopted uh

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beginning uh July 1st uh through today.

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during the April 14th work session, uh

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revenue and compensation were discussed.

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particular uh work session, uh that's

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when the first time we um discussed the

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uh proposed property tax increase and

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outlined some information related to

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that. And then as mentioned on May 12th,

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uh the tenative budget was presented. as

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part of that presentation. And before

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that, um, lost something.

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There we go. Um there were several

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things um the mayor mentioned uh new

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state law that around the tenative

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budget and truth and taxation. Uh so

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during that meeting I specifically had

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an agenda item where I specifically

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stated that there was a pro a proposed

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property tax increase included in that

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tenative budget as well as u presenting

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on a second agenda item a uh property

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tax impact schedule which outlined the

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various uh items mentioned uh there. on

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May 13th, that propo property tax impact

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schedule was placed on the city's

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website um so that uh people could see

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that on June 9th. Then we had that

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council meeting regarding the tenative

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budget and whether uh to proceed with

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the proposed property tax increase. Um

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and if so, then it was adopt and it was adopted as an interim budget

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during that period during that council

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meeting. I also um had to stand up as a

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separate agenda item and indicate that

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there was a uh property tax increase in

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that uh tenative budget and again stated

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the various items on there and during

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that meeting uh this meeting date was

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set as the public hearing meeting date

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in on July 10th.

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instructions were created. We had a a

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TNT uh page on the city's website that

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was created uh with various information

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related to the property tax increase. We

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also built and included on there a

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property tax estimator calculator in

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there for residents and whoever was

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interested to be able to try to

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calculate what their particular home

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value um would equate to in relation to

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that property tax increase. Um and then

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also the uh public hearing instructions

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for as the mayor mentioned anyone

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wishing to um participate virtually.

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main website uh so that they were there

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and ready for when this day occurred. On

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July 18th and 25th, uh Utah County then

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posted a combined notice of proposed tax

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increase that looks like this. uh

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anybody in the county who was proposing

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a tax increase was included on this

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combined ad. Um in that combined ad, it

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lists all entities proposing a tax

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increase, the date that they have their

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um truth and taxation hearing scheduled,

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the amount of the additional property

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tax revenue they were proposing to

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receive, how much of an increase that

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was, and then some other pertinent

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information uh related to uh contact

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information. where the where that uh TNT

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meeting would be held um and that the

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percentage increased. So

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then in late July, Utah County mailed

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all the property tax valuation notices

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to every owner of property in the

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county. Um in that notice it in noticed

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the um amount that the city was

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requesting in property tax and also then

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not noted the various elements related

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to this TNT meeting public hearing

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meeting. On August 1st the city of ORM

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posted its first notice of proposed tax

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increase advertisement and that was

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placed in four different locations as

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required by state law. And then um it

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was re and then we also sent that notice

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to also not local newspapers on the 1st,

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8th and 15th. And that notice looks like

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this

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and outlines uh on an average um ORM

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resident which that average is

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determined by Utah County and given to

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us and then it's calculated what that uh

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rate would increase from and to based on

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the tax uh if if the tax increase was in

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uh approved and what kind of revenue

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that would produce as you can see there.

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And then again down at the bottom

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indicating when this TNT meeting would

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be scheduled and where and what time.

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Then on August 27th, here we are. Uh

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this truth in taxation is opportunity to

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discuss the elements that were proposed

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as part of that pro proposed tax

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increase as well as giving uh some

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information related to it. And then you

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as council members have the opportunity

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to ask questions uh both staff and the

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public as they uh give their uh public

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input.

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Then just so we're all aware, the here

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is the proposed property tax impact

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schedule that was uh initially placed on

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our website and has continued to be

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there since the May 12th since May 13th,

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but since that uh was presented on the

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May 12th tenative budget meeting. In

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this proposed tax impact schedule, it

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outlines the change in the proposed uh

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tax rate levy from the certified tax

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rate from which is that you see at the

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top 00590

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uh would be proposed to go to 00631.

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You can see then there's some

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calculations in there to determine how

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much um property tax revenue in total

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the city would receive if there was uh

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no increase the 6.419 419370

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U million and what it would look like um

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if the proposed tax u change is made and

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the increase that that $450,000 increase

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which represents a 7.01% increase in the

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total revenue of the city for property

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taxes. Then in the middle section there

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you can see the estimated annual

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increase to a primary residence at

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520,000.

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what that would mean on an annual basis

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and what percentage that is of their

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total tax related specifically to ORM

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city not their entire tax bill then uh

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also has the same calculation related to

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business uh businesses located in the

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city obviously the primary residence

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receives a 45% exemption so that's why

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their rate and amount is or the amount

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that is charged is less um because of

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that exemption

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And then uh down at the bottom you can

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see what departments would be affected

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by this tax increase. So if the tax

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increase is to go through um the police

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department would be receiving the

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$450,000.

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And what they are going to do with it is

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hire two additional police officers with

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associated vehicles and all the

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equipment that go along with uh being a

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police officer here in the city of Oram.

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And at this point, that's where we are.

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I just wonder, do you have any questions

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of me at this particular time? I I will

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be up here this whole time, the whole

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time of the meeting. So, you're welcome

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to ask me at any time.

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>> Um, not necessarily just right now.

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>> All right. Thank you. Council, do you

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have any questions for Mr. Nelson at

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this time? Um, council member Gail.

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Um, can you tell us please when was the

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last time ORM changed the property tax

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rate for residents?

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>> I believe it was 2019.

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>> Thank you. And can you also tell us and

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I think you had it on your slide there,

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but just so that we all know what

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percent of the total tax bill a resident

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sees would be for ORM city.

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>> Uh, ORM is approximately 14% of the

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total tax bill.

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>> So we're raising proposing to raise

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property taxes on that 14%.

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>> Thank you. All right. Thank you.

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Anybody? Any other council members?

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All right. Thank you. Um, Miss Jones,

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where's Jennick? Oh, there. There you

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are. [gasps]

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>> Welcome.

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I'll turn the time over to you.

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Okay. Is this on? Thank you, Mayor and

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Council. So, I'm just going to be

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presenting some additional public safety

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data. uh and police data. So, I'll just

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kind of go through these tables and

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charts and feel free to stop me at any

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time. So, the police department's fixed

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costs we've reviewed and all of them

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have been uh significantly increasing

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over time. So, this table over here on

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the left is showing the cost of a patrol

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car. So, in 2016, that was about 37,000

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uh before the outfit. And then now in

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2026, that's almost doubled over that

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10-year period to close to $70,000.

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[snorts] Um, and this chart here shows

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our overtime uh number of employees,

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number of total overtime hours, and

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total cost for the department over the

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past since fiscal year 17. Uh, you'll

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notice we have had a significant

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increase these past few years. uh this

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in fiscal year 26 almost 18,000 hours of

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overtime for the department. Um you will

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see that some of these previous years

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there was a higher number of employees

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hours cost than some of the more recent

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years. Most of that is due to dispatch.

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We used to have our own in-house

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dispatch and in fiscal year 23 that

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merged with metro dispatch. So that's a

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big reason for that. But we have seen a

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steady increase the past few years uh

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since having kind of just our steady

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staffing model and a huge increase in

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fiscal year 26.

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[snorts]

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Fuel has also been increasing in fiscal

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year 21 to fiscal year 25. We've had

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about $100,000

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increase that we've had to pay for the

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department's fuel or about 40% increase

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for that.

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And then also uniforms and firearms have

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increased quite significantly over that

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same time period.

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So these next few charts are some

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comparative data that kind of shows

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where does ORM sit in relation to other

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cities that are similar size or nearby.

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So the these charts on this page are

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reflective of public safety. So it's

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both police and fire. But for Perth

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resident, where does ORM sit? So on

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these charts, ORM is green. The average

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city of these uh comparative cities is

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yellow. So total police and fire FTEEs,

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we have 2.2 per thousand residents

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compared to the average of 2.5. You'll

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notice obviously a wide variation in

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that.

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And then obviously as we know, ORM has a

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quite significant daytime population as

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we have UVU, a lot of people commuting

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in for that as well as a large retail

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environment. So when we factor in

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daytime population, we have about 1.8

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total public safety FTEES per thousand

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of our daytime population. That's the

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lowest of these comparative cities.

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Uh this chart here shows what our public

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safety budget per resident is. Again,

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we're on the low end of these

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comparative cities. combined police and

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fire budget uh $344 per resident

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compared to that average of 427.

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And then property tax revenue per

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resident. This is just general property

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tax. So it excludes things like bonds

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and uh other things like that that are

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not related to general property tax. But

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ORM is again at the bottom of this chart

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at $84 general property tax per revenue

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per resident. uh compared to where those

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other cities sit.

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And so this chart here is specific to

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police, sworn police officers. Uh the

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previous chart was staffing for police

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and fire. So we have 1.1

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sworn police officers per thousand

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residents below that average

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uh slightly below that average. So and

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close to some of the other similar size

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cities.

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And we don't have a chart for this on

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here, but also experiences a similar

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trend with the daytime population as

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well, where that factors in quite

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significantly.

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And then we do have um 105 sworn

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officers, and that puts us a little

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below or above the average number of

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officers, but so that's about 19% above

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the average is 88 officers, but we're

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about 30% above the average population

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of these comparable cities. um and 42%

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above the average daytime population. So

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that factors into that as well. So that

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is the information I have on these.

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Happy to answer any questions. Go back

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and look at any chart more closely if

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you'd like.

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>> All right. Thank you. I do have a

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question on the chart that talks about

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the general property tax revenue per

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resident.

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>> Does that include is that just

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residential property tax revenue or does

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that include the businesses as well?

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>> It's all so that's not necessarily what

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a resident pays. It's just saying how

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much general uh property tax does that

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city collect divided by the number of

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residents.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Council, do you have

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Okay, council member Mikum has a

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question.

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>> Um, thanks very much, Jennica. This is

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really valuable information. So, if I'm

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if my math is correct, and I guess I'm

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just trying to get validation that it

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is, that on this U page here, that with

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the proposed increase in taxes, uh we

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would still be substantially lower than

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everyone on this list. So, we would

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retain our position as the lowest

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property tax revenue per resident among

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comparable cities.

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>> Yes. I don't have the exact dollar

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amount of how this calculation would

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work. Sorry. Maybe it'll pop up.

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Uh but that's low. The 84 is lower than

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a resident's pay. So it would increase

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by less than the $12. But it seems to me

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that if it's a $450,000 increase and we

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have close to 100,000 residents,

545
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:46,799
>> right,

546
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,679
>> that we're talking about a $5 increase

547
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:50,960
per res

548
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,960
>> on average, which would put us still

549
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,520
>> still maybe $89

550
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520
on the charge, right? Yeah. And then can

551
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,960
you scroll up to the one right right

552
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,679
above that?

553
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:05,440
Um, and so again, uh, assuming that this

554
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,799
revenue all goes to public safety, that

555
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,440
does not change our position at my

556
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,200
comparable cities in the public safety

557
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,720
budget per resident either, right?

558
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,039
Because,

559
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:15,760
>> right,

560
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,159
>> uh, we're still substantively lower than

561
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:19,840
not only the average, but even Spanish

562
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,799
Fort.

563
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:21,279
>> Yes.

564
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,279
>> Okay. Thank you.

565
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,039
>> All right, council. Are there any other

566
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,559
questions or comments for uh, Miss

567
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,240
Jones?

568
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,520
All right.

569
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,559
>> Are you guys going to be there being

570
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:35,840
>> You're just gonna because I might have a

571
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679
question after the public. Is that okay?

572
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:38,320
>> I'll be here.

573
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,600
>> Yeah. [laughter] We're not going to let

574
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600
her go.

575
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,080
All right. Thank you. We'll go ahead now

576
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:58,230
and hear from um Chief BJ Robinson, our police chief,

577
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,000
Mayor and City Council. My pleasure to

578
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,630
be here today. Um thank you for

579
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,880
considering this.

580
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,960
Um,

581
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,559
some have suggested that the tax

582
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,720
increase is not warranted if calls for

583
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,320
service have not increased in the last

584
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,960
several years. While this perspective is

585
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,799
understandable, our request for tax

586
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:22,320
increase to support two additional

587
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,799
officers was never based on an increase

588
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,600
in calls for service. Rather, is about

589
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,440
giving our officers the resources to

590
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,360
handle increasingly difficult calls and

591
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,600
manage staffing challenges while

592
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,440
maintaining the high standard of service

593
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,679
our community expects.

594
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,559
As a 25-year ORM officer and your

595
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,799
current police chief, I want to provide

596
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,080
you a boots on the ground perspective

597
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,159
of our operational reality behind this

598
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,640
request for two officers and address why

599
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,320
metrics like crime rates or response

600
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,200
times do not tell the full story.

601
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520
While the 2021 study found baseline

602
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
staffing adequate at at the time,

603
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,600
operational strain has increased

604
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,120
significantly.

605
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,279
Our present- day demand for service is

606
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,000
driven primarily by the complexity, not

607
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,559
just call volume. We're seeing a rise in

608
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,400
highly critical cases such as domestic

609
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,320
violence, sexual assault, mental health

610
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,840
crisises,

611
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,559
and demand and they all demand

612
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,720
significantly more police hours and

613
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,240
documentation.

614
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,840
These type of calls are just simply

615
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760
taking longer to do correctly.

616
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Adding two additional officers would

617
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,960
increase our ability to handle these

618
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000
more intensive cases.

619
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,760
With these increasing demands, we've had

620
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,039
to make some difficult decisions,

621
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,640
including permanently pulling officers

622
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
from our traffic team, community

623
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,279
policing, and mental health units. This

624
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,039
has greatly impacted our ability to

625
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,679
engage in proactive police work that

626
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,159
helps stop crime before it ever starts.

627
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,159
Even just two officers would help us get

628
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:57,840
back to a more balanced approach of this our

629
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,960
important community work.

630
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,799
Another driver behind this request is

631
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,120
the lag time required to replace and

632
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,559
properly on board an officer. Since

633
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:14,240
2014, we average 13 new hires per year.

634
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,000
And while every new hire instantly

635
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,919
counts against our 105 budgeted

636
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:20,640
positions, they cannot count towards

637
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,120
minimum staffing or be put on the street

638
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,440
by themselves.

639
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Takes between 4 and 12 months due to

640
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,919
completing the police academy and field

641
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:32,844
training. Between turnover, injuries

642
00:28:32,844 --> 00:28:33,440
[snorts]

643
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,159
both on and off duty, military leave,

644
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:38,399
required training, and just an officer

645
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,799
trying to get a day off.

646
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,480
Our

647
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,799
available staffing is always

648
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,360
significantly lower than our authorized

649
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760
and budgeted staffing.

650
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Two years ago, we had to institute a

651
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,880
force out procedure where officers were

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,039
mandated to extend their current shift

653
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,279
or come in early from their already

654
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,120
scheduled shift just to cover basic

655
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,320
patrol minimums. Voluntary overtime was

656
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,919
no longer sufficient in bridging these

657
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:09,120
coverage gaps. Relying on this level of

658
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
overtime is not sustainable and is

659
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,399
extremely concerning.

660
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:16,399
Adding two officers will aid much needed

661
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,480
flexibility to the department and give

662
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440
us a capacity to absorb turnover without

663
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,120
compromising officer wellness or

664
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,120
community safety.

665
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,880
The funding landscape over the last

666
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,200
several years has also changed. Since

667
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,279
2020, we've incrementally added seven

668
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,720
off officers through federal cop grants.

669
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Those federal funds pay for the salaries

670
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,480
of those officers for the first 30 years

671
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,679
and they have expired.

672
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,159
We were not awarded any in our last

673
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:47,840
application.

674
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Funding these two officers with a

675
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,200
dedicated property tax would help

676
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,440
stabilize our budget and make us less

677
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,399
reliant on the unpredictable outside

678
00:29:56,399 --> 00:30:00,630
dollars.

679
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,760
In my 25 year career at ORM, I have

680
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,840
never felt like we have been fat with

681
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,789
officers.

682
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,720
We have trimmed.

683
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600
We have always done more with less

684
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,870
because that is the ORM way.

685
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,126
But we finally reached a breaking point

686
00:30:28,126 --> 00:30:29,600
[snorts] to where we need to cover the

687
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,080
most basic police services. We have to

688
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,080
cut into the muscle of our organization,

689
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,960
which we have done. I'm here today. If

690
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,080
we cut any more, we're going to be

691
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,750
cutting into bone. [clears throat]

692
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,679
To be completely honest with you, your

693
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,399
department is stretched too thin. And

694
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,120
they're tired.

695
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520
I'm tired

696
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,440
cuz I see it.

697
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,720
I [snorts] know the heartbeat of this

698
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,310
department,

699
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,559
but due to these dedicated officers and

700
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,806
individuals that make up our department,

701
00:31:04,806 --> 00:31:10,870
[clears throat]

702
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,640
our excellent culture, our commitment to

703
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,880
a very high standard level of service,

704
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,720
and our willing to sac willingness to

705
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
sacrifice for this community, most of

706
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,200
you wouldn't see it. Our

707
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,039
response times remain excellent and

708
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,039
public complaints are few, but it comes

709
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,039
at a price.

710
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,799
Our officers are deeply committed to

711
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,960
this community. Maintaining this

712
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,039
standard is with our current staffing

713
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,760
places heavy burden on every officer.

714
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,080
Increasing our staffing to 107 gives our

715
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960
team breathing room. They need to stay

716
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,159
sharp, balanced, and effective.

717
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:48,320
This creates a better turn. This creates

718
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,480
a buffer against turnover [snorts] and

719
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,880
reduces force overtime. It supports our

720
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440
officers long-term well-being so they

721
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,399
can deliver the highlevel services ORM

722
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:01,919
residents expect and are accustomed to.

723
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:04,399
I remain committed to providing that

724
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:07,200
standard to the citizens of ORM and that

725
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440
is why I'm here tonight.

726
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Thank you for your continued support of

727
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,039
our department and of all the

728
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,519
departments of the city

729
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,919
as we work together to build and make

730
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:20,000
ORM the best place to live, work, and

731
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,679
play. Thank you. Any questions?

732
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:26,240
>> All right. Thank you, um, Chief. Do you

733
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,880
have any questions? All right, Council

734
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Member Mulestein.

735
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
>> Thank you, Chief. We so appreciate the

736
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,399
work that you do for our city. Um, in

737
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,080
one of the slides that Jennica had or

738
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,360
one of the graphs that she had, it

739
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,200
showed that there are 18,000 hours of

740
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,519
overtime by the police department.

741
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,840
Correct. This past year,

742
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,159
>> if I'm doing my math right, it roughly

743
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,240
40 hours a week over 50 weeks if we're

744
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,640
counting two weeks PTO. Um, that's 2,000

745
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120
hours for a full-time officer. So, that

746
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,880
would be nine officers equivalent of

747
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,679
overtime. Does that sound right?

748
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,000
>> I'll trust your math over mine.

749
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,720
>> Um, yes. And that's total overtime.

750
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,480
That's not just to cover shortages.

751
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,159
That's events. That's every overtime

752
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:16,880
dollar.

753
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,880
>> So, [snorts] this proposed tax increase

754
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,080
is for two officers.

755
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,640
It's a very small tax increase and it

756
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,960
sounds like it's not going to actually

757
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,919
be what is needed but is a dent in what

758
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:40,080
is needed. Do you have an estimate of

759
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,399
what would

760
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:45,200
put our police department in a more

761
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,080
comfortable situation to where it's not

762
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,240
stretched so thin of how many officers?

763
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
13

764
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,519
>> because that's an average that we turn

765
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:04,320
over every year and have hired year over year for the last 12 years.

766
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720
>> Thank you for the comment.

767
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,159
>> All right. Thank you, Council Member

768
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,280
Millet.

769
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,839
>> Yeah. Um [clears throat] Okay. I'm not

770
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:14,320
even sure what to say here. Um

771
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,000
>> I'll listen to it all.

772
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,119
>> Yes. And part of this is I mean today is

773
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,639
when I heard the gravity of this

774
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,320
situation.

775
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,280
I I um

776
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,839
I'm deeply bothered

777
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:32,079
that this I appreciate your positivity

778
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,399
these past few months. I appreciate the

779
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,520
hard work that our police have put in. I

780
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,200
know a few months ago we for we forego

781
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,000
or we we set aside hiring two police

782
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,480
officers to keep other um police

783
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,000
uh in order to provide money for

784
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,639
advancements for some for some of our

785
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,720
other officers because it's a

786
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,879
competitive business out there. We don't

787
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:58,800
want other cities uh you do a great job

788
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,839
with culture.

789
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:00,400
>> Thank you.

790
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,280
>> But we've got to put um you know food on

791
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,800
the table. Allow our officers to do

792
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,599
that. Um, this is a little disturbing to

793
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,680
me right now quite frankly to hear this

794
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
today. I at at this moment when we've

795
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:16,079
been been researching all of this um cuz

796
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,440
I deeply support the police. I feel that

797
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,400
our police and fire are the number one

798
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,720
priority of our city and of any city.

799
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,839
Um, the unsung heroes. So, I appreciate

800
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,359
your candid um comments tonight.

801
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:35,920
>> Thank you

802
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,880
>> very much. And I truly appreciate your

803
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,560
leadership that you have um demonstrated

804
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,400
these past months. Um so, I I guess I'm

805
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,480
just going to leave it at that until we

806
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,760
have a little more to say a little bit

807
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,960
later. Thanks, Chief.

808
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,680
>> Thank you.

809
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
>> All right. Thank you. All right. C I'll

810
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,320
just work. I think you all had did you

811
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,400
all have okay then after council member

812
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,320
Lamson council member Mikum

813
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,400
>> so I'm not even going to try to attempt

814
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,480
math but with these two officers um

815
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,960
where does that get us closer to the

816
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,359
average I I know it's not going to be

817
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:16,160
the end all fix all uh from what you're

818
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,040
describing but uh there was a slide that

819
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,359
showed the the fiscal year the one that

820
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:23,920
council member Molstein referred to the

821
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,920
number of hours.

822
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Um,

823
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,160
will this get us closer to the average?

824
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,880
>> I I would say any additional officers

825
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560
that we can put on the road will help.

826
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,040
I don't want to

827
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,680
What is the average forum is a different

828
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,720
city than Provo?

829
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,440
>> 14,634.

830
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,400
>> Say what?

831
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,680
>> Oh, for overtime.

832
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560
>> I'm sorry. Yeah, for the overtime.

833
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,240
Um

834
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,160
it will definitely help there. It will

835
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,079
not negate overtime. There will still be

836
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,000
overtime. We will still have uh

837
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:06,160
shortages. We will still have those challenges. Um

838
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,400
two officers will help solve the

839
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,680
problem. Two officers will not solve the

840
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,790
problem.

841
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,950
Thank you.

842
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Um, more I I've learned about ORM and

843
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,880
its finances, the more uh I realize that

844
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,960
part of the way we operate here is we

845
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,079
always try to do more with less. Um,

846
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,800
I've been impressed with previous uh

847
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,400
city councils and administrations as

848
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,960
well as city staff at always looking for

849
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,680
opportunities to trim and create

850
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,560
efficiencies. And I think, you know,

851
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,800
we're a city council that really uh

852
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,119
tries to be as fiscally conservative as

853
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,599
we can. And um and uh I appreciate

854
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,079
hearing your your remarks uh tonight,

855
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,400
Chief, just because

856
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,880
sometimes uh we we get it a little bit

857
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,880
wrong, right? Uh we can go a little bit

858
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,760
too thin on occasion uh in a way that

859
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,160
negatively impacts uh our personnel or

860
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,079
our services. And so, um,

861
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,920
hearing you talk a little bit about, um,

862
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,320
the way this might impact your culture,

863
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
which is something we deeply value is

864
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,640
just is just great and we appreciate you

865
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,160
bringing this request to us and just

866
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,680
really appreciate uh, you being here

867
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,280
with us tonight. Thank you. Thank you.

868
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,680
>> Question.

869
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,040
>> Okay, Council Member Mill.

870
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,800
>> Okay. So, just cuz I just remembered

871
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,599
when we gave our fire fighters, our fire

872
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,839
some um we restructured their uh

873
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:40,000
salaries and advancements,

874
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320
um there were some issues for a little

875
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,400
bit about that there wasn't as much

876
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,240
overtime available. Do you what what you

877
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,280
know, everyone likes a little bit

878
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,400
overtime, but you don't want to get

879
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,119
burned out on the overtime.

880
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,280
Uh kind of give me your thoughts on that

881
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,800
from your um force. How do they feel

882
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,640
about overtime? Are they completely

883
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,920
burned out? Do they want some? Do they

884
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,200
want to hire 19 officers? What where are

885
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,000
you on this?

886
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640
>> We're having to force officers out. And

887
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,280
how that works is if this is our minimum

888
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,040
staffing, you know, seven plus Bren, uh,

889
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,640
which actually is our minimum staffing

890
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,400
for a swing shift is seven officers and

891
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,240
a supervisor.

892
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,760
and you call in sick or whatever the

893
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
circumstance may be, I need to have an

894
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200
officer there to make sure the proper

895
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,520
services are provided to the city and

896
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,200
that the rest of you guys are safe

897
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,520
because you're adequately staffed. And

898
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,119
so a page goes out

899
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,280
and then we wait

900
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,069
and then a page goes out

901
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:56,480
and then we wait

902
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,680
and nobody takes it. And Bren's

903
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,640
supervisor on duty and he calls his

904
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,990
buddy Pete. Hey, I need you tonight.

905
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,640
Sergeant, I've worked

906
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,880
too many shifts. I need a break,

907
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,920
but I'll come in.

908
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,560
And so he fills his shift

909
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,950
or her shift.

910
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Not everybody's like Pete.

911
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,079
Not everybody's able to do it because

912
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,359
they are tired and they're burned out.

913
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,760
So, we had to institute a mandatory call

914
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,560
out where every year it resets and every

915
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,640
time that that call went out and you

916
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,440
voluntarily came in for however many

917
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,040
hours that you worked that overtime

918
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,079
shift, that would go to your number and

919
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,599
cycle you back down on the list. And if

920
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,520
nobody came out after all the waiting,

921
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,240
nobody volunteered for waiting, we go

922
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,480
down to the list as to who we would

923
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,440
force out. We wouldn't force anybody out

924
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,599
that was on their day off. So that

925
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,560
usually fell to a swing shift officer or

926
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,119
a dayshift officer either staying late

927
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,079
or come in early.

928
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,160
So they're working

929
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,480
potentially a 16 18 hour shift depending

930
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,119
on on the time that they actually come

931
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:21,520
in.

932
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,960
>> So follow-up question then. Um I'm

933
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,119
trying to remember February March is

934
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,480
when we gave those um slots for the two

935
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
officers. We reallocated that funding.

936
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Um, is there a reason why we didn't hire

937
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,440
officers back then?

938
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,040
>> We've been hiring off officers

939
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,599
constantly. We've hired 17 officers this

940
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,839
year.

941
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,079
I want to say eight have left for

942
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,560
various reasons this year.

943
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880
That's what we're faced over the last 10

944
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,920
12 years. Poling over the last 10 12

945
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160
years and the profession. It's just not

946
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,640
a unique problem to ORM,

947
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,880
but it's the turnover.

948
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,880
It's officers leaving for the private

949
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,960
sector. It's officers being terminated.

950
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,839
It's officers moving to, you know, the

951
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,640
next city over for whatever reason. It's

952
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,480
a better circumstance for them, whatever

953
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,880
they choose. But it's a continual

954
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,359
turnover that we've seen.

955
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:23,839
And I use 2014 just as a benchmark

956
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:25,359
because that's when it significantly

957
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,359
began.

958
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:30,000
Um, and that's the reason why.

959
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,319
>> So, you haven't been denied funding?

960
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,720
>> Have not been denied funding. Much as

961
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,960
the same reason I'm not asking for 13 is

962
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,160
I don't want to hire 13 today

963
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,359
and try to training them all up.

964
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:46,000
officers continually having to train new

965
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,400
officers is a great strain on that

966
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800
officer training. So, you're training

967
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,920
somebody for three weeks

968
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,599
and then you're training somebody for 3

969
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,880
weeks and then you get a week off and

970
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,319
then you're training the next one for

971
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,640
three weeks.

972
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,400
That's the problems that we're facing as

973
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,480
a profession and that we're experiencing

974
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,400
here in ORM.

975
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,800
>> Thank you. Thanks, Chief. All right,

976
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,880
Council Member Gail.

977
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,200
>> So, I know we ask a lot of our officers

978
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,440
and they deliver and they do it with

979
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,119
such professionalism and I I've had

980
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:20,560
firsthand experience working with them

981
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,319
in the last week in fact and I was so

982
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:23,760
impressed and they didn't know who I

983
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,119
was. They were just delivering that

984
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,480
level of service because that's who they

985
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,079
are. My question is how does this, you

986
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:31,680
know, mandatory call outs, is that what

987
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,839
you called it? How does that impact

988
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:35,520
retention? How does how does the the

989
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,720
stress you feel like they're under? How

990
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,990
does that impact retention of officers?

991
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
It's not positive.

992
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,470
Um,

993
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,880
so I have a one-on-one with every

994
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,520
employee on their anniversary. So if you

995
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,480
get hired in August, then uh I have a

996
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,960
scheduled meeting. Some of those

997
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,599
conversations are that tell me what's

998
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,839
going right, what's going wrong, what

999
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:05,599
good ideas do you have for improvement,

1000
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,160
what how can we get better?

1001
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,240
That's a topic of conversation in many

1002
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,720
is just being able to get a day off. Um

1003
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:19,520
being able to work not minimum staffed.

1004
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,599
That's like Christmas

1005
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,640
when you have seven officers plus two

1006
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,960
more and nobody's taking time off or

1007
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,040
nobody's off for an injury or nobody's

1008
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,750
gone for a training. Holy cow.

1009
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,550
That's Christmas on August 27th.

1010
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,760
And so that's how I would answer that.

1011
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,440
>> All right. Thank you. Any any other

1012
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,200
comments? Well, I'm going to say a

1013
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,079
couple things. Um, first of all, I I

1014
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,400
just want to echo the appreciation that

1015
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,400
the others have have stated for you and

1016
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,920
your team. [gasps] This is heavy stuff.

1017
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,760
I as I was doing my research for this

1018
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,079
and thought about the different types of

1019
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,119
calls that you receive. [sighs]

1020
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:13,280
It's one thing

1021
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,319
to pull me over for a traffic stop.

1022
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,560
It's another thing

1023
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
to be part of a

1024
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,359
DV or a sexual assault or a severe

1025
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,640
mental health crisis situation. That's

1026
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,079
the toll it takes on our officers. I

1027
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,079
can't imagine. I think about the

1028
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,480
situations in my prior employment where

1029
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,599
I worked a lot with those who

1030
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,680
experienced all three of those things

1031
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,920
and the the weight that one carries when

1032
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,680
one is dealing with that. It's not it's not how many it's I want to say

1033
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,480
it's quality meaning that it's not not

1034
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,119
that it's good quality, but it it's it's

1035
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,359
what's involved. not just the paperwork

1036
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:01,200
and the investigations, but I would say

1037
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,480
the mental the mental toll

1038
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,839
that it would have on on dealing with

1039
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:11,119
the types of of situations that we our

1040
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,200
society seems to be seeing an increase

1041
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,480
of. So, I just want to state that that really stood out to me as I as I

1042
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,160
was doing my research is the types of

1043
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,319
calls that you get and just how it

1044
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:26,079
affects one's one's soul for lack of a

1045
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:30,400
better word. I do have a question.

1046
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Last September, we experienced a

1047
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,200
horrible tragedy here in ORM with uh the

1048
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,502
murder of Charlie Kirk

1049
00:46:39,502 --> 00:46:41,680
[snorts] and

1050
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,520
wondering [gasps]

1051
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,960
and you and I have talked about this a

1052
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,800
little bit, but if you wanted to expand

1053
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,800
a little bit more, what impact

1054
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,040
did those that experience of having gone

1055
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,880
through something like that

1056
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200
due to what what you as the chief saw

1057
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,480
would be the needs in ORM even though

1058
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,720
that was at UVU.

1059
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:06,079
Uh I'm sure that you took a look at how

1060
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,119
okay now we need to look at how we do

1061
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,280
things in ORM and I want to understand

1062
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,760
did that have an impact on this request

1063
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:20,400
as well and then what kinds of things are you thinking?

1064
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Um I would have made this request uh

1065
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,520
absent that event. Uh those

1066
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,480
conversations were

1067
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,040
I I can distinctly remember

1068
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,212
conversations with Bren in March and

1069
00:47:33,212 --> 00:47:35,839
[clears throat] April of seeing today of

1070
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:38,560
how heavy it is right now of knowing how

1071
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,760
many we were down, how many we had hired

1072
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,839
but that were still in the academy.

1073
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,800
Currently we I think we have seven on

1074
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,400
FTO.

1075
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,880
Um, and I think they were hired in April

1076
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,599
and they may be off

1077
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,000
by the end of September. And so I know

1078
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,440
that they're there and I have a name on

1079
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,520
the list, but I don't get to count them

1080
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160
until October. [snorts]

1081
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,560
Um,

1082
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,599
so I would have made this request

1083
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:16,000
without that. How that impacted us was

1084
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,319
uh that was a bad week.

1085
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:21,440
uh for everybody involved to say the

1086
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,920
least.

1087
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,920
Um

1088
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,280
I would say nearly every of one of our

1089
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,440
officers were working those entire four

1090
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,720
days. Um if the suspect was not

1091
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,559
apprehended,

1092
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,400
uh we were about to go on mandatory

1093
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,440
12-hour rotations in order to keep up

1094
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,280
the needs of the investigation and still

1095
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,800
keep our city running. Uh so on the back

1096
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,640
side of that, beginning to look at our

1097
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,920
public events and how many events or how

1098
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,040
many people are at our uh successful uh

1099
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
food truck events or farmers markets in

1100
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,880
the park. Um

1101
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Bren first asked me if we could have

1102
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,520
officers that are on duty patrol that

1103
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,960
just swing by every now and then.

1104
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,640
Maybe.

1105
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,160
Likely not. Why? Because I only have six

1106
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,160
or seven you work of you working and the

1107
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,599
call load does not allow for us to

1108
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,079
really swing by and give you the

1109
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,440
security that they feel. So we have

1110
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,319
staffed that with additional officers on

1111
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,280
overtime so that the people in that park

1112
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,599
have an officer presence. If you

1113
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,359
remember to the night of the vigil on

1114
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:40,559
September 11th,

1115
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,200
how did it feel

1116
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,520
being circled

1117
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,349
by dozens of officers?

1118
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:54,720
How did it feel?

1119
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,040
I can feel it today like I'm looking at

1120
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,549
you now.

1121
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,000
So we provide you two

1122
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,599
and if it overwhelms a two then the

1123
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:10,470
calvary is coming.

1124
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,839
I don't know how else to answer that.

1125
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,319
>> Appreciate that. Thank you. All right.

1126
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:19,520
Council member um Lamson.

1127
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,880
>> Thank you, Chief. Um, [clears throat]

1128
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,160
I want to mention something also that I

1129
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,640
think a lot of times

1130
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,520
we don't think about or don't know about

1131
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:44,230
and that is your family at home.

1132
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:48,480
I can't even imagine uh the things that

1133
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,280
you and your officers and I would extend

1134
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,640
this to our fire team.

1135
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,200
The things that you witness, the things

1136
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,640
that you experience, and the things that

1137
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,230
you feel

1138
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,800
when your shift's over.

1139
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,240
And you can't just leave that on the

1140
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,040
desk.

1141
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:15,829
that becomes a part of who you are

1142
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,280
and a very heavy load that you carry.

1143
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,800
And who's there to meet you when you get

1144
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,270
home?

1145
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,680
Your spouse,

1146
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,720
a good dog, kids.

1147
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,800
I've got all three. Luckily, you're a

1148
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,829
lucky man.

1149
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:42,800
But this doesn't stop with you.

1150
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,359
That ripple is not just a little ripple.

1151
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:48,400
I believe that it's

1152
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,480
a a title wave at times that your family

1153
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,960
has to deal with.

1154
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,760
And uh I want to make sure that they

1155
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,839
don't go unmentioned uh in their needs

1156
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:03,839
uh their emotional

1157
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:06,160
uh things that they have to deal with

1158
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
when dad comes home or mom comes home

1159
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,190
and they've just been to hell.

1160
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,920
And uh

1161
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,839
anyway, I I just want to uh [snorts]

1162
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:23,520
thank them for what they put up with and

1163
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,520
what they have to deal with when dad

1164
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,240
comes home and he's a little grumpy

1165
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:32,400
or won't talk.

1166
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,390
Uh

1167
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,240
we're grateful for them, too. and we

1168
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,640
know that they're not officially sworn

1169
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,319
officers,

1170
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,079
but they're part of the team and they're

1171
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,040
part of the reason for the success

1172
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,440
that you have as a Norman Police

1173
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,040
Department. And again, I would extend

1174
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,119
that to the fire department. We're

1175
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:57,680
grateful that they put up with

1176
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,200
allow you to do the work that you've

1177
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,720
chosen to do.

1178
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,599
And uh

1179
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,640
sometimes they are the the unsung heroes

1180
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,359
in the background quietly making sure

1181
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:16,079
that life carries on and uh we love them

1182
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,000
as well. We're grateful for all that

1183
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,040
they do to support you and your

1184
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,520
officers. Thank you.

1185
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,839
>> Thank you. Any other comments,

1186
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:29,520
questions?

1187
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,559
All right. Thank you, Chief.

1188
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,319
Uh, before I open the public hearing, I

1189
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:36,319
do have a question again for Brandon,

1190
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:39,040
Mr. Nelson. Um, as I was looking through

1191
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,920
what the proposed ordinance is, there's

1192
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,400
something something new there this year

1193
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,040
besides this proposal for a t a property

1194
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,920
tax increase, but it's to uh uh the

1195
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,000
words public safety special revenue

1196
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,559
fund. I could tell you when I got my tax

1197
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,280
notice and I just kind of chugged

1198
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
through it and I knew I knew it was

1199
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,359
there to see to see a new that in red

1200
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:06,880
that you the way that they have to do

1201
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040
it. In red it says the public safety

1202
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,040
special revenue fund and then it will

1203
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,800
have a 100% and it's like holy smokes

1204
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,400
what's happened and you got to go up and

1205
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,359
you look at the the general fund and

1206
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:21,040
that's been zeroed out. Uh would you

1207
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,880
mind just taking a moment to talk about

1208
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,720
the what the property uh the special

1209
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,520
public safety special revenue fund is

1210
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,440
and and what what did people see on

1211
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,200
their tax forms?

1212
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,400
>> You bet. Thank you. Uh so the special

1213
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,480
revenue fund was um put into place uh

1214
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,559
because the uh city would like to have

1215
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,640
the entire city property tax dedicated

1216
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,040
to public safety.

1217
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,040
State law requires that if that

1218
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,240
dedication were to occur that there must

1219
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:01,119
be a special revenue fund created to

1220
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,640
receive those property tax dollars.

1221
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,000
Now, even without a dedication, the city

1222
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,079
on its own could create a special

1223
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,119
revenue fund if there were special

1224
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,640
revenues associated with that and that

1225
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,680
would be reported individually.

1226
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,280
The city could also create that fund

1227
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,319
just as a separate way of accounting

1228
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,520
just to keep track of the public safety

1229
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,960
department as a separate separately. It

1230
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,680
would then have to be blended into our

1231
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,640
general fund for all reporting purposes,

1232
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,760
but it could be still there, right? It's

1233
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,880
um our development fees fund operates

1234
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,119
that way where it's separate accounting

1235
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,400
fund, but for all reporting purposes, it

1236
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,520
is blended into our general fund. So, so

1237
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,599
there those are the three reasons for

1238
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,839
creating the fund as well as an ability

1239
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:02,880
to see the specific elements related to

1240
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,079
public safety and see in the bottom line

1241
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,880
we have to transfer sales tax. We have

1242
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,599
to transfer we say sales tax. We have to

1243
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,119
transfer revenues from the general fund

1244
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,240
to cover whatever fees are not and or

1245
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,960
taxes are not covering the cost of

1246
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,240
public safety. And so it outlines

1247
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,200
specifically what those costs are.

1248
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,280
Um

1249
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,960
then I'm trying to remember the other

1250
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,799
part of the question

1251
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,720
>> just what I just explanation of what

1252
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,799
they saw on we needed to create the

1253
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:41,280
fund. So um and move it

1254
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,839
>> a part of that uh June 9th meeting where

1255
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,160
we uh intended to move forward with this

1256
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,440
meeting and as part of that also t we

1257
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,880
intended to move forward with the

1258
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,359
dedication of that property tax. I had

1259
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:56,400
to notify the uh Utah county of that

1260
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,760
dedicate intended dedication. So then

1261
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,720
they put that on the tax bill

1262
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,200
>> for that because of that intention.

1263
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,920
>> Okay. So if for whatever re if we were

1264
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,000
in to not go forward with that

1265
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,880
dedication, then Utah County would

1266
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,240
remove that line item from the actual

1267
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,280
tax bill and it would then show up in

1268
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,359
that general uh city back in the general

1269
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:21,760
fund.

1270
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,559
>> General general fund. Yes.

1271
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,960
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Council

1272
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,280
member Gail,

1273
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:27,520
um

1274
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,119
>> you you I think mentioned this before,

1275
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,119
but can you just remind us what percent

1276
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,680
of the public safety budget this tax

1277
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,960
increase will cover?

1278
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Well, the the it's 38 point $40 million

1279
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,440
is the public safety cost and so uh

1280
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,000
property taxes are approximately 8 point

1281
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,240
with the increase would be approximately

1282
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,359
$8.1 million.

1283
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:56,400
So let's see what is that 20%.

1284
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,520
>> And the rest will be funded by what?

1285
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,680
>> Um the rest would be covered by

1286
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,319
ambulance revenues.

1287
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:09,200
um various uh inspection revenues,

1288
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,040
uh our contracts with Lynen and Vineyard

1289
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,280
uh for fire and EMS and dispatch

1290
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,799
services

1291
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:19,680
and then some other smaller uh revenue

1292
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,240
sources and then as mentioned the the

1293
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,400
remaining 25 million is covered by

1294
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,400
revenues from the general fund

1295
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,920
>> which are from sales tax

1296
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,920
>> can be whichever source you want to call

1297
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,760
from whether it's sales tax, franchise

1298
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,720
tax, interest, earnings,

1299
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,119
etc.

1300
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,000
>> Okay. Thank you.

1301
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,559
>> You back.

1302
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,640
>> All right. Thank you. Um, Council Member

1303
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,599
Millet.

1304
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:43,440
>> So, just because I don't remember, do

1305
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,640
you transfer that 25 million into that

1306
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,079
fund or do we just keep in the general

1307
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,720
fund and use it as needed? Uh so my

1308
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,880
intention would be then uh period

1309
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,000
probably quarterly to evaluate uh the

1310
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,559
costs that are in that fund and where we

1311
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,839
sit and then I would do that transfer um

1312
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:04,160
each quarter and then try to as close as

1313
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,880
possible true that up um at near year

1314
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,520
end.

1315
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,799
>> Okay. So as needed we'll still have um

1316
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:13,920
funds in the general fund then

1317
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,400
>> correct

1318
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,640
>> transfer. Thank you.

1319
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,760
>> All right. Anybody else?

1320
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,400
All right. What you all have come for

1321
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,640
and it's time for a public hearing.

1322
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,400
We're just before you got started, sir.

1323
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,760
I'm just going to reiterate a couple of

1324
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,040
things and then I'll turn the time over

1325
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,119
to you. Carly over here. Um Carly, I did

1326
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,559
I call you Carly and you're not your

1327
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,480
Caitlyn?

1328
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,200
This this wonderful human right here.

1329
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,559
And I'm just totally embarrassed. And

1330
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,160
I'm gonna turn as red as my sweater here

1331
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,760
because I'm is will help help keep keep

1332
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,240
up on this front row. This front row is

1333
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,319
set aside for those who would like to

1334
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:57,359
speak. And so as one person gets up. If

1335
00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:58,880
there's someone else who would like to

1336
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,880
speak, go ahead and take their seat and

1337
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,200
we'll just kind of work our way work our

1338
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,920
way down here. And then Oh, I was going

1339
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,119
to say you don't have to move seat.

1340
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:08,480
We'll just we'll just move down unless

1341
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,640
you want to move seats, but okay. Okay,

1342
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,720
for everybody maybe that you probably

1343
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,880
enjoy having your legs stretched out

1344
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,960
and so

1345
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,200
just move on down and then [gasps] it's

1346
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,599
kind of like a an odd musical chair. So

1347
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,680
we need to have a song or something but

1348
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,480
maybe not. Um so again we're going to

1349
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,839
have our public hearing. We're going to

1350
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:32,799
have uh we have three minutes and then

1351
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:34,160
we're going to really have to stick to

1352
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,280
the three-minut time and so um if you go

1353
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,799
over Teresa will be reminding you that

1354
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:45,520
it's time to time to stop and

1355
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,880
then let me make sure and then again

1356
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,599
with those who Pete who do we have how

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01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,799
many do we have on Zoom

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01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:56,400
four okay so we'll do first first three

1359
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:03,359
and then we'll go do three on the Zoom and then come back and do three. So

1360
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:05,119
again, ask that you keep it to three

1361
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,319
minutes and

1362
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,119
>> what's that?

1363
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:11,760
>> State.

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,960
>> Oh yes. If you could look at the on the podium, it's ask if you state

1365
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,880
your name and whether you're an Orm

1366
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,359
resident. So sir, welcome. The time is

1367
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:20,240
yours.

1368
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,040
>> Hi there. Thanks for having me today. My

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,079
name is Mike Preston and uh I live in

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01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,880
Orm. First of all, I just want to say

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01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:35,280
that um I love and appreciate the warm

1372
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,400
police department and firefighters. I've

1373
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,680
had a chance to interact with several of

1374
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,720
them in over the years. So, my remarks I

1375
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,280
hope is no way disparaging of them.

1376
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,079
Okay? So, I just I really appreciate

1377
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:51,839
them.

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01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:54,880
Since 2017, when we moved to into our

1379
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,799
present home, we have watched our

1380
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,880
property taxes go from $2,900 to $4,200

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01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,000
in 9 years, which is a 67% increase. We

1382
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,319
are retired and live on a fixed income

1383
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,040
and can't help but feel we are being

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,599
taxed right out of our home.

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01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,680
Before I complete my remarks, I want to

1386
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,440
preface them by saying a few words

1387
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,240
about what our founding fathers thought

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01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,799
about property tax,

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01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:28,870
which maybe we've forgotten.

1390
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,280
First of all, they they abhor it. They

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,440
abhor property taxes. And here's why.

1392
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,240
George Washington said,

1393
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,640
"If government can tax your property

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01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,160
without your say, your consent,

1395
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,200
it soon holds power over your very life.

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01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,280
Property is the rootstock of liberty

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,040
itself." The founders also felt that a

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,240
free hold, your bit of earth, and a roof

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01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,200
over your head meant independence.

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,200
If a magistrate or parliament could

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01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,720
seize it at will or tax it until you

1402
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,119
cannot keep it, you are not a free man.

1403
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,839
And that just makes us tenants at

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01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:15,119
sufference, not free citizens.

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01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,589
In other words, we're just paying rent.

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01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,720
And that just makes uh property and

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,680
liberty rise and fall together.

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01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,680
I want to make it clear again. I'm not

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01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,480
against having more police or firemen. I

1410
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,119
just think that they can be funded from

1411
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:36,240
sources other than property taxes. If

1412
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400
our taxes are raised, no matter how much

1413
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,720
or how little, for everything that

1414
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,039
governments have to

1415
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,839
figure out, it will never stop and it

1416
01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:47,520
will eventually spin out of control

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01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,680
until people on fixed incomes like me

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
will have to leave our homes that they

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01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,640
worked for most of their lives to

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01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,720
acquire. Raising taxes is simply taking

1421
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,880
the easy way out when other solutions

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01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,599
are available. I'm not here tonight to

1423
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,760
beg and plead with you not to raise my

1424
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,839
taxes.

1425
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:11,200
I'm telling you to re not raise my taxes

1426
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,680
because you would be doing it against my

1427
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,640
consent.

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,720
Um, as elected officials, I feel that

1429
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,544
you take our welfare into consideration

1430
01:04:24,544 --> 01:04:25,440
[gasps]

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,920
and uh by raising our taxes, I don't

1432
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,280
believe you're doing that. You're taking

1433
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:36,870
advantage of us. Thank you. Thank you.

1434
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,240
All right. Before um before Miss Cox

1435
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,160
comes out, I just ask that you refrain

1436
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,400
from applauding. [gasps] I know that

1437
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,000
there are people here that you feel that

1438
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,200
people are saying things that you agree

1439
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,200
with and maybe not agree with, but I

1440
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,599
just ask that we not we not applaud.

1441
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,680
Thank you. Welcome.

1442
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,640
>> Thank you. Um I'm Judy Cox. I've been an

1443
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,359
uh ORM resident for 34 years. And first

1444
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:01,680
I want to clearly state that I fully

1445
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,640
support our police and fire all public

1446
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,039
safety and believe that they're a core

1447
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,119
priority of the city. And after

1448
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,240
listening to the very uh emotional

1449
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,480
um messages tonight that we heard from

1450
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,880
the chief, I believe that we need to

1451
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,200
have some some extra officers to support

1452
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,520
them. But I also believe it sounds like

1453
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,240
the challenges are much greater than a

1454
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,160
$450,000

1455
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,319
uh property tax can address. Um this all

1456
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:32,079
started back in May when the council

1457
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,799
created a special revenue fund solely

1458
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:37,599
for public safety, funneling property

1459
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:39,680
tax from the general fund to cover their

1460
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,400
existing budget. But you all knew in

1461
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,480
June the request would be made for two

1462
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,039
additional officers. And because of that

1463
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:48,960
action of putting it in a special

1464
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,839
revenue fund, it created a false

1465
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:56,160
shortfall. And um so a false shortfall

1466
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,079
was created. So the claim could be made

1467
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,640
that a tax hike was the only way to

1468
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,200
correct that. Even though the city has

1469
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,400
enough flexibility to absorb a small

1470
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,920
$450,000

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,799
request, future property tax growth is

1472
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,680
now locked into public safety only. All

1473
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,680
other departments must compete with a

1474
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,640
reduced general fund, setting up future

1475
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,039
artificial crises that will be used to

1476
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,640
justify more tax increases. This action

1477
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,680
gives public safety guaranteed funds,

1478
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,520
which breeds unchecked growth. Shielding

1479
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,440
one department from the budgeting

1480
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,559
process ensures that it expands while

1481
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,440
everything else feels the pinch. This

1482
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,240
special revenue fund is not an ironclad

1483
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,319
commitment to public safety or to

1484
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:47,119
transparency because it can be altered

1485
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,079
by any future council through a simple

1486
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,520
ordinance change. Instead, I believe it

1487
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,400
was a move intended to make the tax hike

1488
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,760
more sellable to you and to the public.

1489
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,720
This is about increasing taxes in a city

1490
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,599
that has a history of very few tax

1491
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,400
increases. Rather than wearing that

1492
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,480
long-standing record as a badge of

1493
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,200
honor, especially in a thriving

1494
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,520
community like we have, you have

1495
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,079
approved a financial shell game and are

1496
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:21,359
now asking residents to bail out a

1497
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:24,880
manufactured crisis. This is bad public

1498
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,079
policy, creating an unchecked fund for

1499
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,160
one department while tightening funds

1500
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,200
for others and then asking taxpayers to

1501
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,680
make up the difference. An accounting

1502
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,960
shift in May does not justify a tax

1503
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,359
increase in August. Fix this. Hold faith

1504
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:46,319
with those who elected you. Vote no on

1505
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:50,480
the tax increase. Work with existing uh

1506
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,039
discretionary funding to hire the

1507
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:56,720
officers that we clearly need and commit

1508
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,280
to dismantling this revenue fund so that

1509
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,079
we can get out of a trap that sets us

1510
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:05,680
all up for future tax hikes. Thank you.

1511
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,920
>> Right. Thank you.

1512
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,760
All right.

1513
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:10,480
Welcome.

1514
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,589
>> Hi.

1515
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,400
» I'm Kathy Young and I want to talk about

1516
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,359
what's possible. For four years, under

1517
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,520
the previous mayor and council, this

1518
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
city did not raise property taxes one

1519
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,199
time, not once. And that stretch covered

1520
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:30,880
the worst inflation this country has

1521
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,239
seen in 40 years. fuel, asphalt,

1522
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,960
equipment, health insurance, wages.

1523
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,199
Everything the city buys went up hard

1524
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,239
all at once. Nobody handled Nobody

1525
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,040
handed that council an easy budget.

1526
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,359
Here's what they did instead. They cut

1527
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,239
costs. They went line by line and found

1528
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,640
things the city could live without. They

1529
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,400
went out and raised millions of dollars

1530
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,600
from grants so residents didn't have to.

1531
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,440
And they spent less than the city took

1532
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,400
in every single year. That's the most

1533
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,799
meaningful part of your job. That's why

1534
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,759
our residents elected you. So my

1535
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:10,159
question tonight is straightforward and

1536
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:12,719
I'd like an answer before anybody votes.

1537
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:15,520
What has this council cut? What did you

1538
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,520
look at and decide ORM could do without

1539
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,759
this year? What grant money did you go

1540
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:21,679
and find? Where is the list of

1541
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:23,440
alternatives you worked through before

1542
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:26,159
you decided to raise taxes? I've watched

1543
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,080
these meetings. I've heard the budget

1544
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,880
discussions. What I see is a proposal to

1545
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,199
raise taxes and restructuring to make

1546
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:35,920
the next tax increase easier. I don't

1547
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,440
see the hard work that's supposed to

1548
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:40,159
come first. Understand what I'm saying

1549
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,000
and what I'm not. I'm not saying this

1550
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,640
city has no needs. Every city has needs

1551
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,159
and I want our police and fire

1552
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,480
departments funded well. I vote for that

1553
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,040
tomorrow. What I'm what I'm saying is

1554
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,279
that raising taxes is the easiest thing

1555
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,679
an elected official will ever do. It

1556
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:57,520
takes about four minutes and it's always

1557
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,719
easier to say yes. Closing the same gap

1558
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,480
by managing the budget is months of

1559
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,239
work. It means going through every

1560
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,880
department, finding real savings,

1561
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,880
chasing outside money, and telling

1562
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,120
somebody no makes people in this room

1563
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,360
unhappy with you. That's the difficult

1564
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,120
part. That's the part you were elected

1565
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,239
for. Let's remind you, four years, no

1566
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,040
tax increase, worst inflation in 40

1567
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,199
years. It isn't a theory and it isn't

1568
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,199
ancient history. It happened in this

1569
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,120
building with this budget and some of

1570
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,679
the same staff. So when you tell us

1571
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,760
tonight that there's no other way,

1572
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,199
understand that we've seen the other

1573
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:36,480
way. We lived through it. Watch. What's

1574
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,400
changed isn't isn't the math. What's

1575
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,080
changed is a willingness to do the hard

1576
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,080
work. That's what tonight is really

1577
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,040
about. Not the $12 the year the years

1578
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,679
after it. Once this this fund exists, it

1579
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,760
will always fall short of its own name.

1580
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,679
And that shortfall becomes the reason to

1581
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:53,840
come back every year for more money. A

1582
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,760
little at a time, never enough to fight

1583
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,600
over. And the hard work of going through

1584
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,760
this budget line by line stops

1585
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,840
happening. I'd rather be governed by

1586
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,000
people that I'd rather be governed by

1587
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,159
people than by a formula. When a council

1588
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,400
has to come make it its case every year,

1589
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,400
we get to hear the reasoning and you get

1590
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,960
to hear from us. That's part that's the

1591
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,960
part worth protecting and it's the part

1592
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,120
the structure gives away. So vote the

1593
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,800
increase down and send the restructure

1594
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,560
back. manage the budget the way you

1595
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,159
should and if the need is still there

1596
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:23,760
next spring, come tell us and we'll

1597
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,440
listen. ORM has never turned down

1598
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,360
something we understand and believe in.

1599
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,080
Thank you. Thank you.

1600
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,520
All right. Um Pete,

1601
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,800
we ready to go with with our our first

1602
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,960
person who is online.

1603
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,400
Welcome.

1604
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,159
>> All right. Um this is Bradley speaking

1605
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,640
here. We will give the first time to

1606
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Rasmmanson. you will now

1607
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,239
have the opportunity to comment.

1608
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:51,679
Remember to state your name and whether

1609
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:54,159
you are an ORUM resident. I'll grant you

1610
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:55,679
permission to unmute and turn on your

1611
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:57,120
camera and your three minutes will begin

1612
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,960
when you begin speaking. And if you do

1613
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,480
not wish to comment, simply state that

1614
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:01,760
you do not wish to comment. And

1615
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,440
afterwards, we will hear from Marian

1616
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:09,189
Baxter followed by Troy.

1617
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:15,270
» All right. Welcome,

1618
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,880
Okay. Can you hear me? Okay.

1619
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,159
Yes, this

1620
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,159
>> it does not allow me to turn on my video

1621
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,640
at this time, so I will just go with

1622
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,840
audio. I am Rasmmanson. I am an

1623
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,080
ORM resident and I have lived here for

1624
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,760
more than 20 years. And I want to start

1625
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,159
off by saying that I support this tax

1626
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:40,080
increase. I came to this meeting with

1627
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,239
some knowledge and this meeting has been

1628
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:44,640
incredibly instructive on both a logical

1629
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,520
and an emotional level. And I am usually

1630
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,080
more moved by logical arguments. So I

1631
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,640
really appreciated all the data and the

1632
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,800
facts about the budget and the needs

1633
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,600
that were presented by the employees.

1634
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,040
And then um I was unexpectedly moved by

1635
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,560
our police chief and his uh very

1636
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,199
detailed description of the needs in

1637
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:09,360
this city and how this has been

1638
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,520
affecting his police voice and by

1639
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,520
extension us the residents. So, um I

1640
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,440
would say that I support this tax

1641
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,440
increase number one because it is

1642
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,880
incredibly small and and we have not had

1643
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,040
a tax increase for many years thanks to

1644
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,760
the many administrations that have

1645
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,080
worked hard to cut um to cut unnecessary

1646
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,440
uh costs and to find those grants as was

1647
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:37,120
stated by a previous commenter. really

1648
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,560
appreciate the work of those previous

1649
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,199
administrations, but the fact is is that

1650
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,679
eventually you get to a point that those

1651
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:45,280
are no longer options. And so I think

1652
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,960
we've reached that point. I think that

1653
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,440
we've reached that point that there are

1654
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:53,760
no more uh costs to be cut and maybe

1655
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,760
grants are a little harder to come by.

1656
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,640
In the meantime, uh, inflation continues

1657
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,520
to be a concern and as the police chief

1658
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,920
pointed out, the needs have increased

1659
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,800
and changed in both their quantity and

1660
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,679
in their um, in the depth of what they

1661
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:12,880
need. And then second, I think it's uh,

1662
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,800
for me really important to listen to

1663
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,040
those who have boots on the ground. And

1664
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,120
so to hear the police chief say that

1665
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,920
this is a very critical time, I take

1666
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,880
that very seriously. And uh

1667
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,880
additionally, I take seriously the city

1668
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,600
council's uh very careful deliberation

1669
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,120
over many years. Some of you have been

1670
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,080
here for a long time to keep our taxes

1671
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,880
low. So in summary, I support this

1672
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,520
because I think that it is fiscally

1673
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,679
responsible and it is a last resort and

1674
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,320
I also support this because of the

1675
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,520
please of our um of our actual police

1676
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,199
force. I think that it's important in

1677
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:52,960
Family City to support not just the

1678
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,600
families of the residents, but also the

1679
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,520
families of our first responders, and I

1680
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:58,960
think he made a clear case that this

1681
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,960
would help with that. Thank you very

1682
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,719
much.

1683
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:05,440
>> All right. Thank you.

1684
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,520
All right, Bradley, did you say that?

1685
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,199
Was it Marian Baxter is next?

1686
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,880
Yes, Marian. We will grant you

1687
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,239
permission for unmuting and turning on

1688
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,760
your camera and your three minutes will

1689
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,360
begin when you begin speaking. Remember

1690
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,640
to state your name and whether you're an

1691
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,480
ORM resident. And if you do not wish to

1692
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,480
comment, simply state. And after Marian,

1693
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:28,790
we will hear from Troy.

1694
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,120
» Good evening.

1695
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,800
I am Marian Baxter and I have um lived

1696
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,480
in Oram for going on to over 45 years

1697
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:42,800
now. And I was very appreciative of the

1698
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,159
detailed presentation this evening. And

1699
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,920
I remember years where it was the

1700
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,760
destination

1701
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,960
location was officers and public safety

1702
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,159
um members, the fire department.

1703
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:04,080
It was a destination to get to ORM as a

1704
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,280
workplace and I really appreciate the

1705
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,920
quality of service that we have had and

1706
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,760
continue to have. I feel like this is a

1707
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:18,080
very viable way for us to be able to

1708
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,880
help stabilize the needs of our city.

1709
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,040
And to me, the request and the

1710
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,960
deliberation that has gone on this

1711
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,120
evening has been in informative for me

1712
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,719
as a citizen. It's recorded so we can

1713
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:38,640
review it and get understanding from um

1714
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,440
Mr. Nelson's presentation

1715
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,679
and the

1716
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:46,640
process that goes on here.

1717
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,679
That is the thing that our taxes I feel

1718
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:52,719
good about our taxes going poor is the

1719
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,800
needs of this city. What can be

1720
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,360
accomplished and I do certainly

1721
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,480
appreciate each member of this council

1722
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,199
serving in the capacity to represent

1723
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,760
each of us. Your questions have been

1724
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,600
thoughtful. they've been um relevant and

1725
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,080
I appreciate the opportunity that we've

1726
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,239
had a way to

1727
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,679
participate um through technology and

1728
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:20,239
that we could also be there in person. I

1729
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,440
feel that the this administration has

1730
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:28,000
continued a long tradition of inviting

1731
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,760
the citizens of Oram to participate and

1732
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,640
I have felt that every department within

1733
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,719
the city of ORM has been very available

1734
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:41,920
and accessible to each of us. I

1735
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,719
personally feel that our taxes are very

1736
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:49,679
well managed and I I feel like on the

1737
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:53,040
community and local level, we can make a

1738
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,760
difference and it matters that we are

1739
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,960
aware of how the budgetary um needs are

1740
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,360
met and how they're reviewed. And I

1741
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,000
appreciate the opportunity to share that

1742
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,760
this evening. Thank you very much.

1743
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,920
>> Thank you.

1744
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,199
All right.

1745
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,520
I think Bradley, you said that there is

1746
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,320
a Troy. Who is who's next?

1747
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,600
>> Yes, that's correct again.

1748
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:29,990
>> All right, welcome Troy.

1749
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,760
» Oh, you're on me.

1750
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,280
>> You're on mute.

1751
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:42,470
>> All right.

1752
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,239
Troy, you're good to begin speaking, but

1753
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:49,030
we can't hear you.

1754
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,600
So, I I don't know

1755
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,920
what [gasps]

1756
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,080
um

1757
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:01,030
don't know what [snorts]

1758
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,159
good old technology here. Sorry. Um I

1759
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:15,590
don't Is that

1760
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,679
Hang on just a minute. I'm looking over

1761
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:20,239
at our at our person who's over here

1762
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:21,760
doing the text. So, just hang in there

1763
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,760
with us. It does show that you're muted

1764
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,960
right now.

1765
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,480
>> Uh, we'll work with Troy on that, but

1766
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,840
mayor, are you okay if we read in a

1767
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,199
couple of comments that came through the

1768
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:30,159
portal?

1769
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:32,400
>> Yes. Okay. So, hang hang tight with us,

1770
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,000
Troy. We're going to get get this

1771
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,239
figured out. So, our city reporter,

1772
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:37,600
Theresa McKitrich, will read the

1773
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,040
comments that were submitted online

1774
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,560
through our portal that we set up for

1775
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,830
this event.

1776
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,760
» Okay, we had three u that were

1777
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,880
submitted. Um, now I hope I say these

1778
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,239
names right. Lori Thman, she said, "A

1779
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:53,840
good portion of the traffic and people

1780
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,320
coming through Oram are headed to Provo

1781
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,640
because there is no reasonable I-15

1782
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,199
access for most of Provo. Provo should

1783
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,600
share the cost since you cite more

1784
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,640
people in traffic as the purpose as the

1785
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,640
purpose for the hike. I've been in my

1786
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,800
home over 31 years and near retirement.

1787
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,199
I can't afford costs continually going

1788
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:16,870
up.

1789
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Um this one is from Brandon Wolf and he

1790
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,520
writes to whom it may concern. I'm

1791
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,920
against the increase in taxes for two

1792
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,719
new officers reasons. Everyone else has

1793
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,320
to manage our budget better in the

1794
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,880
current economic times. I'm aware it is

1795
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,040
a small amount, but still I've had to

1796
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,880
make lots of cuts to spending habits

1797
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,000
lately, and I don't see a city as being

1798
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,040
above having to make do. Second, with

1799
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,800
the increase of flock cameras and ALPRs,

1800
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,719
why are more police needed? Every

1801
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:51,360
department I've heard from

1802
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,520
Oh, wait, sorry. Every department I've

1803
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,400
heard from other town meetings across

1804
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,880
the country sell these cameras as saving

1805
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,679
the agency funds and helping them fight

1806
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,560
crime. So if you want more cops and more

1807
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,840
public support, remove all ALPRs

1808
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,719
to save money that way. Until then, I'm

1809
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,040
against any increase in anyone's taxes.

1810
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,280
Thank you for your time. And then the

1811
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,400
third one, um, we got a submission. I

1812
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,199
will not be reading it um because it is

1813
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:31,350
full of vulgarity.

1814
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,199
» All right, thank you. Thank you for

1815
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:36,719
those comments and I did see the I did

1816
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,440
see that email and

1817
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,440
yes, [laughter]

1818
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:46,480
anyway, um were you able to get Troy's?

1819
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,000
You got

1820
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,110
Okay.

1821
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,360
And Okay.

1822
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,800
All right. So, you want to go keep going

1823
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,400
here? All right. You're up. Welcome.

1824
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,760
Thank you. I I hope my technology works.

1825
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,800
I'm Chuck Beers and I am a resident of

1826
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,960
the city of Oram and have been for

1827
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,600
nearly 46 years. So, I think I take the

1828
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,960
cake so far. I want to thank you for all

1829
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,280
of your time, for all of your effort. I

1830
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,600
want to thank all of these people for

1831
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:20,880
their time, their effort, and their

1832
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,040
professionalism.

1833
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,600
The presentations have been eye opening.

1834
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,080
I have known for years that we need more

1835
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,000
public safety.

1836
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,120
However, I didn't know it was as bad as

1837
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,520
it really is. I think that's what uh

1838
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,400
Councilwoman Millet said as well. Um

1839
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,400
I fully support the public safety

1840
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,639
special revenue fund.

1841
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:50,239
I don't want public safety competing for

1842
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,360
funds with everything else. I don't want

1843
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,320
them to get the leftovers. I want them

1844
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,040
to have their piece of cake, have all of

1845
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,360
it, and not have anybody else take a

1846
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,639
piece of it. This is Family City USA.

1847
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:07,040
It's been mentioned before. Let's keep

1848
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,840
the families safe. Families of

1849
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,280
everybody. Um,

1850
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,030
it went to sleep.

1851
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,920
We're talking about a such a minimal tax

1852
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,000
increase. It's a happy meal a year. I

1853
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,000
don't know anybody that can't afford to

1854
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,840
give up one happy meal a year to fund

1855
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,920
this.

1856
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:36,080
I would be happy if you doubled it and I

1857
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,159
would still be happy after you did.

1858
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:41,840
I didn't really want to say anything

1859
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,320
personal, but I can't help myself at

1860
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,590
this point.

1861
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,960
In a previous life before my retirement,

1862
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,080
I worked in the public schools.

1863
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,000
I went through Mountain View High School

1864
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,440
as an administrator with a bomb threat.

1865
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,760
So happy to have good police officers

1866
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,560
there in minutes.

1867
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,600
And then we also had the fire department

1868
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,840
to help search. [snorts]

1869
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,440
When I was an assistant principal at

1870
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:18,480
Cany View Jr., we had a device placed.

1871
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,880
Police were there, fire were there, they

1872
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,520
exploded it in the field.

1873
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,320
We need public safety, not just for

1874
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,719
schools, but for everybody else. When I

1875
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:31,199
worked in another city, there was a

1876
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:32,960
threat on my life as the principal of

1877
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,000
the school. I didn't know about it. But

1878
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,719
after everything was done, I noticed, as

1879
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:40,960
was mentioned, you can be encircled

1880
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,480
about. I was encircled about by police

1881
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,760
officers in uniform and plain clothes. I

1882
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,880
never felt safer. We need them in our

1883
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,280
community to encircle us about no matter

1884
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,159
what our circumstances are. I support it

1885
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,719
wholeheartedly.

1886
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,800
>> Thank you.

1887
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,520
All right, I'll go ahead and continue

1888
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,080
here in person. Um, welcome.

1889
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,719
>> Thank you. I'm Michelle Sorenson. I have

1890
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:12,800
been an ORM resident for 35 years. Um, I

1891
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,560
want to thank um just all of you for the

1892
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,719
time and um service that you give to our

1893
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:21,360
city and then including our our staff

1894
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,280
too. Um, I when I learned about the

1895
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,159
increase, I took time to ask questions

1896
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,674
and um

1897
01:25:30,674 --> 01:25:31,199
[snorts]

1898
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:33,520
talked to some city council members and

1899
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,719
also I reached out to um, Chief Robinson

1900
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:40,560
and um, learned why this really deserves

1901
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,120
a lot of thoughtful consideration and

1902
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,320
um, why I think that this tax proposal

1903
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,920
increase is um, worth uh, doing for our

1904
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,760
city. Um, I learned that the LRB

1905
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,679
financial adviserss to our city have

1906
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:58,080
been recommending for years that ORM

1907
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,920
diversify its revenue sources and

1908
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,760
dedicate a more stable revenue to the

1909
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,400
essential services like public safety.

1910
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,480
And while ORM's residential population

1911
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,880
may not be growing significantly like we have learned, the number of

1912
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,239
people coming into our city each day has

1913
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:16,320
um we've seen events at UVU, our

1914
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,960
Orumfest, our farmers market and we love

1915
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,600
these events and we want to feel safe at

1916
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,320
these events and um that's an increased

1917
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,960
demand on our police department. I've

1918
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,560
also learned that um the police

1919
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,400
department has been operating near the

1920
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,480
lower end of the recommended staffing

1921
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:34,480
over the last few years. And I think

1922
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,480
that there is wisdom in adding officers

1923
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,120
incrementally rather than waiting until

1924
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,360
we're severely understaffed and then

1925
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,520
having to hire five to seven officers at

1926
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,199
once. And we heard from um BJ that that

1927
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:50,159
would be a real strain on our our force

1928
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:52,719
too to hire so many and have to train

1929
01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:55,679
them all at once. So um that approach is

1930
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:57,920
a better workload and training to

1931
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,000
maintain the standards that we expect

1932
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,280
from our department while not

1933
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,760
overstaffing um those already on the

1934
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,040
force. Finally um ORM has only raised

1935
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,520
property tax once um since 1978 and I

1936
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:12,960
don't think it's unreasonable to say

1937
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,280
that a city should never raise taxes.

1938
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,280
Inflation affects the cost of providing

1939
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,800
everything a city um delivers.

1940
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,800
And the important question is whether

1941
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,199
the increase is tied to a legitimate

1942
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:27,760
need, whether the amount is reasonable

1943
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,520
and whether the residents understand

1944
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,440
where their money is going. And I think

1945
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:33,120
that you have done a very good job

1946
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,159
explaining the need and um answering the

1947
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:38,400
questions as to why this tax increase is

1948
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,960
needed. And so I am here to express

1949
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,440
support for this tax increase for our

1950
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,320
city. Thank you so much.

1951
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,229
>> Thank you.

1952
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:51,360
Right. Welcome.

1953
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,040
>> Good evening. I'm Sarah Baitman and um I

1954
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,560
live

1955
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,040
uh near ORM Junior High School have for

1956
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,560
25 years this year. And I just wanted to

1957
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,120
thank all of you elected officials, all

1958
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,840
of your predecessors and all of the ORM

1959
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,480
city staff in that 25 years that I've

1960
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,600
been a resident. I feel that my family

1961
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:17,440
and I have received incredible value in

1962
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,560
this community. We've felt um grounded.

1963
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,600
We've felt a great sense of welcoming

1964
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,239
and I'm grateful for the value that my

1965
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,719
tax dollars have gotten me and my

1966
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:32,800
family. So, thank you for that. Um I my

1967
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,280
heart goes out to the chief. I didn't

1968
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,400
realize how burned out his team was. And

1969
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,360
that has inspired me to try to redouble

1970
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,120
my efforts at being a good neighbor in

1971
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,960
my community and try to um

1972
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,800
in invest in the social resilience of

1973
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,159
our community because this is a

1974
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:51,840
community worth investing in. So, I'm

1975
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,760
grateful to be a part of the community.

1976
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,520
Thank you for your service, your

1977
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,320
dedication, and um I think that there

1978
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,639
have been a lot of um thoughtful

1979
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:02,480
questions and concerns brought up

1980
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:05,520
tonight by those who are opposed to this

1981
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,679
tax increase, and I do look forward to

1982
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:10,800
hearing um the responses from the the

1983
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,120
mayor and council on that and the staff

1984
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,520
on that. I think that that they there

1985
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,600
are some valuable questions here. That

1986
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,159
said, I do um support the tax increase.

1987
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:21,679
Thank you.

1988
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,960
>> All right. Thank you. All right, that

1989
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,880
was three. So, Pete, are we

1990
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,480
technologically

1991
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,000
ready?

1992
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,280
We have two.

1993
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,800
>> All right, let's go ahead and go.

1994
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,800
Bradley, you're up. Right, we're going

1995
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,040
to give time to Brendan. You will be

1996
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,880
given permission to unmute and turn on

1997
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,520
your camera and um remember to state

1998
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,880
your name and whether you're an ORM

1999
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:43,760
resident.

2000
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,120
>> Welcome, Brendan.

2001
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,600
>> Hey, how's it going? I'm Brendan BBE.

2002
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,320
I'm an ORM resident. Um I don't think

2003
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,800
the tax increase is large and it's like

2004
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,560
why not? But at the same time I don't

2005
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,239
think the city's really presented any

2006
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:59,040
data for the need. Um so I have seven

2007
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,560
questions I I [clears throat] would like

2008
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,639
you guys to answer um when you have the

2009
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:05,920
chance but more so what specific data

2010
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,520
supports the increase in demand for

2011
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,000
services calls calls for service

2012
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,440
response times or case load from 2021

2013
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,320
through 2025? As far as I could tell,

2014
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,040
it's been dropping consistently.

2015
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,440
Um, number two, state figures show ORM

2016
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,360
sworn officers rising and reported

2017
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,840
offenses falling since 2022. How does

2018
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,360
the city reconcile that with rising

2019
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,520
demand? A study was done in 2021 um and

2020
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,520
it found patrol staffing sufficient and

2021
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,520
calls for service declining. What

2022
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,239
changed since 2021?

2023
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,480
Four, ORM has the highest officers per

2024
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:44,080
capita ratio among Utah County agencies.

2025
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,920
I noticed in the one data point you guys

2026
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,679
listed before, we were comparing

2027
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,000
ourselves to West Valley and St. George.

2028
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,280
Um, but if we look at major Utah County

2029
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,560
cities, we have 35 more officers than

2030
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,080
Lehi with a comparable population.

2031
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,719
Uh, five civilian staffing fell from 38

2032
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:06,480
to 17 between 2021 and 2024. Is that a

2033
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,400
real reduction or a dispatch attribution

2034
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,080
change or something else? And are sworn

2035
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,040
officers absorbing civilian work? Number

2036
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,280
six, what were the four officers funded

2037
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,800
by the 2009 increase? Were the four

2038
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,639
officers funded by the 2019 increase

2039
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:22,239
hired and retained and what did the city

2040
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:25,040
get for it? And number seven, why are

2041
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,960
dispatch export and headcount treated

2042
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,800
extraordinary and on what date will they

2043
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,880
be produced?

2044
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,920
Um, and that's all. Thanks, guys.

2045
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,840
>> All right. Thank you. Um, could you

2046
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,080
would you mind repeating number three? I

2047
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,100
just want to make sure that I that

2048
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:44,639
[snorts] I I have it down. Thank you.

2049
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:48,400
>> Uh yes. Uh in 2021 there was a officer

2050
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,199
staffing study done uh by citygate. The

2051
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:52,960
study found patrol staffing sufficient

2052
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,480
and calls for service were actually

2053
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,639
declining. I'm curious what changed

2054
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:58,880
since 2021 because as far as the

2055
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,480
research I can do it's only gotten calls

2056
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,159
have gone down, case loads gone down,

2057
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:06,560
response times have gone down.

2058
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,080
>> All right. Thank you. Appreciate your

2059
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,120
comments

2060
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,880
>> and questions.

2061
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,360
All right.

2062
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,960
Uh Bradley, who we who is online next?

2063
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,280
>> Ruth, we will now give time to you. We

2064
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,480
will give you permission to unmute.

2065
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:43,510
>> Welcome

2066
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,280
Ruth, we will give you permission to

2067
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:55,350
unmute

2068
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,639
» here. She's declined.

2069
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:57,920
>> Yeah, we can move forward, Mayor. It

2070
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:58,800
doesn't look like Ruth is going to

2071
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,080
respond.

2072
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,679
>> Okay. Did we ever get Troy back? We did

2073
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:06,719
not. Okay. All right. Thank you. All

2074
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:13,430
right. Yep. Welcome.

2075
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:16,000
My name is Kathy Minster and except for

2076
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,239
Councilman Kilpac who was probably born

2077
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:22,239
in Oram. I moved as a newlywed here 54

2078
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,719
years. I've been an adult for 54 years

2079
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:27,120
in Oram. I've seen council members and

2080
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:31,760
mayor the good, the bad, and the ugly.

2081
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,280
Um, I want you to know that if it was

2082
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,719
me, I would want the whole money to go

2083
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:41,360
to our first responders. They certainly

2084
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,679
were there for me when I came home from

2085
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,600
work and found that my husband wasn't

2086
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,320
still asleep.

2087
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,639
He had passed and they were wonderful.

2088
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:56,080
Every one of you ran on housing, making

2089
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,239
ORM more affordable, making it possible

2090
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:00,960
for our kids and our grandkids to afford

2091
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,679
a home. That was the promise. Let me

2092
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,520
walk you through what has happened

2093
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,520
since.

2094
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,280
Earlier this year, you raised impact

2095
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,920
fees on new construction. The cost goes

2096
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,400
directly to the price of every new home

2097
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,320
built in or builders don't eat it. And

2098
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,639
it doesn't stop there. Every existing

2099
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:20,800
home in this city gets appraised and

2100
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,840
priced against those new comparables.

2101
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,000
When you push the price of new

2102
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,400
construction up, the whole market goes

2103
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,760
up. And that's not a theory. That's how

2104
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:37,040
comp works. And every realy in re realer

2105
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,159
in this room knows that. Tonight, you're

2106
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:42,480
about to vote to raise property taxes.

2107
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:45,920
That hits every homeowner in ORM and it

2108
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,719
hits every renter, too, because the

2109
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:50,800
landlord doesn't absorb the tax

2110
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,360
increase. They pass it on to the renter.

2111
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,560
So, young families trying to save a down

2112
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,639
payment and paying rent, they're also

2113
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:00,960
going to get the tax increase. If this

2114
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,760
passes, it will be the second hit on the

2115
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:08,000
residents in your first year. Your first

2116
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,360
year. Let me be fair and say the honest

2117
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,880
version of your side. $12 a year is not

2118
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,960
what's keeping a young couple out of a

2119
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,080
house in Orm. I know that and nobody is

2120
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,520
claiming that. But here's what does

2121
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,560
price people out. Not just $12 increase,

2122
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,639
but a city that gets a little more

2123
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:31,199
expensive every single year in every

2124
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,960
direction and never stops. That's um the

2125
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,239
pattern you've established in 8 months.

2126
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:40,960
And so the second thing you're voting on

2127
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,600
tonight is what blocks the pattern. Move

2128
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,679
the property tax into a fund that

2129
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,880
permanently falls short of its own name.

2130
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,800
And you've given yourself a reason to

2131
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,719
come back for more every year with

2132
01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:58,719
public safety label attached that nobody

2133
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:01,600
can vote against. Small enough each time

2134
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,880
that complaining sounds petty. Oh, a

2135
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,400
happy meal. That's how you make it

2136
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,080
expensive.

2137
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,960
You campaigned on your promises. You

2138
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,320
haven't kept them all. I challenge you

2139
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,600
to give the money where it's needed and

2140
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,719
forget the property tax.

2141
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,280
Thank you.

2142
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,159
Right. Welcome. Hi, my name is Elanie

2143
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:31,920
Wilding. I have lived in Oram for uh 22

2144
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,440
years and I can see that there's two

2145
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,520
issues here. I really appreciate what

2146
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,239
the chief said about uh the police

2147
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,000
department. They've got retention

2148
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,040
problems. They've got problems with um

2149
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,199
the cost of overtime both on the

2150
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,600
personal level as well as what it's

2151
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,000
actually costing dollar-wise. And they

2152
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,840
actually need up to 12 or 13 more police

2153
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,360
officers. So that needs to be that needs

2154
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,080
to be addressed but set separate from

2155
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,480
what I want to talk about and that's how

2156
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,239
you govern.

2157
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,960
So I want to talk not about whether or

2158
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,119
should have enough police and fire

2159
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:14,000
protection. Of course they should. I

2160
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,119
want to talk about the idea of this

2161
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:20,800
property tax structure change.

2162
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,199
Why would you choose almost right out of

2163
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,440
the gate to change the property track

2164
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,440
tax structure in a way that makes future

2165
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:31,040
tax increases easier and more automatic?

2166
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,960
So, if you think about what that means, of all the issues residents

2167
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,280
brought to you during the campaign, you

2168
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,560
didn't go to the door saying, "We're

2169
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,280
looking I I I'm I'm in favor of just

2170
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,199
little small little pop, you know, tax

2171
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,520
increases." The first major thing that

2172
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,280
this council is doing together is

2173
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,040
changing the way the property taxes

2174
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,840
actually work. That is not why you were

2175
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,480
elected. You were elected to represent

2176
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:57,679
us inside the budget. That means reading

2177
01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:00,719
it, questioning it, sitting across from

2178
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:02,880
staff and saying, "Explain this. Justify

2179
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,280
this. Show me the data. Show me what we

2180
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,920
can cut. Show me why this is necessary."

2181
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,480
It means making the hard choices when

2182
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:12,400
the city wants more money and sometimes

2183
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,960
taking the heat for saying no. That work

2184
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,760
is difficult. It's slow and it isn't

2185
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,320
popular. But that's governing. And

2186
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:21,840
that's why I'm concerned about this

2187
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,239
proposal. Taxpayers are not a honeypot.

2188
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,159
If you create a property tax structure

2189
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:30,480
that builds additional revenue into

2190
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,880
public safety year after year, you

2191
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,880
reduce the need to have the difficult

2192
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,040
conversation every year. Instead of

2193
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,920
asking can we afford this, what are the

2194
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,840
al alternatives and what should we

2195
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,639
prioritize the answer becomes much much

2196
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:47,840
easier. Raise the tax and that's exactly

2197
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,280
the kind of government growth that

2198
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,520
deserves our scrutiny.

2199
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,159
Staff's job is to identify needs. I

2200
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:56,000
don't fault them for doing that. Your

2201
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,320
job is to weigh those against the

2202
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,480
residents, what they can afford and what

2203
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,679
you decide that needs to be fulfilled to

2204
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:07,920
police officers or park upgrades

2205
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,800
within a budget. So if you care for more

2206
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,719
if if the case for more revenue is

2207
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:16,880
strong, make the case.

2208
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,159
Show us why this amount is necessary and

2209
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:21,520
how it's going to actually make a

2210
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,440
difference. It sounds to me like it's

2211
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,520
barely going to dent what needs to take

2212
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,679
place, but it's coming from a structure

2213
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:31,119
that is not okay. So, you have more than

2214
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:32,880
three years left in this term. Make this

2215
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,199
term where you did the hard work of

2216
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,040
governing, not the term where you made

2217
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,360
it easier for future future councils to

2218
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,239
avoid it. So, thank you. And I say vote

2219
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:44,239
no on this. There's too many things that

2220
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,560
need to be addressed here.

2221
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,830
>> Thank you.

2222
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,664
» Right. Welcome. Thank you. My name's

2223
01:39:52,664 --> 01:39:54,239
[clears throat] Karen Wignel. I've been

2224
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:57,119
in my house for I think close to 21

2225
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:01,440
years now. Um it's the first home I own

2226
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:06,719
since my divorce and um I'm elderly now

2227
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:10,400
and facing fixed income and any tax

2228
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,840
increase hurts me. First of all, my

2229
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,639
first question when you all started

2230
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,880
talking was

2231
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,639
as I looked at what you were doing, you

2232
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:22,639
were taking from the general fund and

2233
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:25,679
putting it into this ORM public safety

2234
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:29,040
levy. And that my thought was, well, if

2235
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,800
you do that, then when are you going to

2236
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,639
ask for an increase in the general fund?

2237
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:35,360
That'll be next year. You'll want money

2238
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,800
for that. So, like everybody has said,

2239
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,239
it just goes on and on and on.

2240
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:46,480
A question I have is UVU

2241
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:50,880
um how are how does what they produce

2242
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:54,159
financially for ORM compute into what

2243
01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,320
the officers

2244
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,239
um because that was a big deal last year

2245
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:01,760
with Charlie Kirk and I think probably

2246
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,560
UVU was not prepared for that

2247
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,159
adequately.

2248
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:08,239
Um,

2249
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:10,239
it it was a tragedy, an absolute

2250
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:11,840
tragedy.

2251
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,679
And [clears throat] I want to say that I

2252
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:16,880
do appreciate the officers. Um, it's

2253
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,639
been a long time since I've had to had

2254
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:20,560
somebody at my house, but I know that

2255
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,080
I've called in the middle of the night

2256
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,400
years ago when I thought somebody was in

2257
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,800
my backyard. So, I do appreciate what

2258
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,239
they do. But what I would ask you to do

2259
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:33,280
is look at this differently so that

2260
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,320
you're not coming back for an increase

2261
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,199
year after year after year and forcing

2262
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:42,560
the elderly out of their home. The other

2263
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,800
point that I wanted to make, um, I live

2264
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,520
in my home. I'm alone and they said this

2265
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,320
is about $84 per resident. That's not

2266
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,000
true for me. This is twice that because

2267
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,719
I'm alone. So, is there a more equitable

2268
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:58,239
way

2269
01:41:58,239 --> 01:41:59,920
to

2270
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:01,440
increase it? If you're going to increase

2271
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:02,880
it, and I would ask you to put it back

2272
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,639
in the general fund and ask for an

2273
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,520
increase, can you do it more equitably

2274
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,320
for every person that is in the city of

2275
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,000
Oram.

2276
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,350
Um,

2277
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,679
and I think that's it. Thank you. All

2278
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:20,639
right. Thank you. Oh, there was one

2279
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:23,280
more. Whoops. Oh. Um, I lived in

2280
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,400
California in the 1970s and 80s when

2281
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:33,440
property um, values rose there and they came up with a proposition that put

2282
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,719
a limit to that and I have wanted to do

2283
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:39,600
that here. I I feel the same pressure

2284
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,679
that we felt there. It's outrageous. So,

2285
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:44,960
anybody who wants to talk to me about

2286
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,719
that, I'd love to talk with you.

2287
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,520
>> Right. Thank you.

2288
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:50,800
All right.

2289
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:51,760
Welcome.

2290
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,159
>> Thank you. My name is Evan Thcker. I'm

2291
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,719
an ORM resident for the past 13 years.

2292
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:58,320
So, I'm a newbie here compared with

2293
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,600
these other commenters mostly. Uh I'm

2294
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,400
grateful that we uh have a a uh society

2295
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,320
in which we can freely speak our minds

2296
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,080
and converse with each other as

2297
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,080
especially when there's disagreements

2298
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,199
about things. So, this is very good. Um

2299
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,000
I I think that the evidence that uh

2300
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,560
additional officers are needed is

2301
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,320
indisputable. I I think the

2302
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,320
presentations given tonight make it very

2303
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,760
clear what the need is. And what what

2304
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,320
you can't do is find some way to say no

2305
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,000
to the police chief and say, "No, we

2306
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,600
can't give you any more officers. We we

2307
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,239
clearly need them." And so you have to

2308
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:37,040
find a way to give to get them the money

2309
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,760
somehow. Uh so the question on the table

2310
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,920
is can we do it through a property tax

2311
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,920
increase? Um I I have one concern about

2312
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,719
using property taxes for this and that

2313
01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:50,960
is that um as many commenters have

2314
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,560
raised it can be a painful uh increase

2315
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,719
that you have no control over when you

2316
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:59,119
have a high value property and and no

2317
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:01,920
income, right? Because

2318
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,480
uh we don't pay our property taxes by

2319
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,400
giving you a piece of the property. We

2320
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,159
have to pay our property taxes out of

2321
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:10,560
our paycheck, right? And so I have a

2322
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,960
paycheck that's big enough that I don't

2323
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,440
care about a $12 a year increase in

2324
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,440
property tax. It doesn't hurt at all.

2325
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:19,600
And in fact, I would be more than happy

2326
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:25,360
to give you 10 times that to fund the needs here. But there are people who

2327
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,760
uh several who have mentioned who are

2328
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,080
retired. They don't have increases in

2329
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,840
their income. If anything, their income

2330
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,480
is lower than it was years ago, but

2331
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:37,600
their home uh values are increasing. and

2332
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,760
the increases and decreases of our

2333
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,840
property values are outside of our

2334
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,560
personal control. And so they get stuck

2335
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,480
in a case where they're on the hook for

2336
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:48,639
an amount of money that they they can't

2337
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,119
come up with very easily. So I do think

2338
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:52,960
there's a problem with using property

2339
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,600
taxes uh because the burden falls

2340
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,199
inequitably on on people because you

2341
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:00,960
can't

2342
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,440
uh you can't handle the tax if you have

2343
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,000
a high value property and low income.

2344
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,679
So, it's a problem. And I'm, you know, I had hoped to come here and hear some

2345
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:14,960
people raise specific suggestions for

2346
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,360
alternative ways of raising the money,

2347
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,320
but all I've heard so far is you got to

2348
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,320
find the money some other way. Don't do

2349
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,000
it with a property tax. You got to do

2350
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,440
something else. Um, I I hope that some

2351
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,520
people will have specific ideas of how

2352
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,440
else you could get it. I'll give you my

2353
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:33,440
idea. I don't know if it's viable or

2354
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:39,040
not, but um can can you uh allow for

2355
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,239
some raising some money voluntarily from

2356
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:44,480
the citizens of ORM? For example, I'll

2357
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:46,880
give you if I'm on the hook for $12 a

2358
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,480
year, I'll give you 120 a year to cover

2359
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:53,520
my first 10 years or to cover myself

2360
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,600
plus nine other people who can't afford

2361
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,320
it. and and find some way to allow those

2362
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,280
of us who have the means to support the

2363
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,840
need to support it at a higher level and

2364
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,760
the people who don't have the means to

2365
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,639
support it, let them off the hook. Maybe

2366
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:11,520
there's some ways to do that. Thank you.

2367
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,400
>> All right. Thank you. Um I think we've

2368
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,960
had three. If you hang Pete, do we have

2369
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,560
or Bradley, do we have any more

2370
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:21,520
>> online?

2371
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,960
>> We may have one comment that we need to

2372
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:23,920
read in.

2373
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:28,470
>> Oh, okay. [snorts]

2374
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:30,480
This comes from Ruth. She didn't want to

2375
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:32,800
share a comment verbally, but she says,

2376
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,400
quote, "I am opposed to raising the

2377
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,440
property tax. I think we need to look at

2378
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:39,360
the budget and reallocate the funding to

2379
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,040
where it actually needs to go. We don't

2380
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,790
need a park upgrade."

2381
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,400
All right. Thank you. Thank you, Ruth,

2382
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,600
for for your comment. All right, sir.

2383
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,280
Welcome.

2384
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,080
>> Thank you. My name is Milo Aught. Uh, I

2385
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,159
live by a Sleepy Ridge Golf Course. I

2386
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,800
appreciate the opportunity that we all

2387
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,440
have to um discuss this particular

2388
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:03,600
issue, the courtesy that was given to

2389
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,920
us, and I sure would have appreciated

2390
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,560
that same courtesy when you be when you

2391
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,960
approved the the top golf right next to

2392
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:17,679
our houses. Uh, we'll we'll make we'll discuss that at another time.

2393
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:19,679
I support our police and fire

2394
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:21,280
departments.

2395
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:27,280
I I hope that if we need officers that they're hired. Um although I

2396
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:28,400
probably didn't feel that way two days

2397
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,080
ago when I got a speeding ticket for

2398
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:35,510
going 24 in a 20 mph zone.

2399
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,600
Uh so maybe maybe less police officers

2400
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,639
might be No, just just kidding.

2401
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,840
Um so I but I do not support raising

2402
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,960
taxes property taxes to do it. ORAM's

2403
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:50,080
proposed budget is $212 million approxim

2404
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,080
approximately. This is this increase is

2405
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,080
$450,000.

2406
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,440
That is 210 of 1% of the whole budget.

2407
01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,440
That is not a funding crisis. That is a

2408
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,239
priority choice. The city is already

2409
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,159
dedicating every dollar of existing

2410
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:06,080
property tax to a new public safety

2411
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,960
fund. Fire and EMS contract fees are

2412
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,280
going up about $600,000.

2413
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,760
Ambulance revenue is budgeted to rise

2414
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,480
more than $1 million. Public safety is

2415
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,960
not being starved. Look at the rest of

2416
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,679
the budget. Parks and recreation is over

2417
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,719
$13 million. This year's capital program

2418
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:26,960
includes more than $2 million in park

2419
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,840
amenities, playgrounds, sport courts,

2420
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,520
tennis courts, and a pump track at

2421
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,239
community park. Community development is

2422
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:37,280
over 8 million. The library is 4.5

2423
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,159
million. You do not have to cut cops or

2424
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:44,560
firefighters to have to find $450,000.

2425
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,920
phase. You can phase the park project.

2426
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,239
You can freeze a non-essential hire,

2427
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,960
delay one capital item for one year.

2428
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,719
Other cities have hired officers and

2429
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:56,719
firefight fighters without raising the

2430
01:48:56,719 --> 01:49:00,400
property tax. Florida, Lakeland, Florida

2431
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,239
added 13 police officers, 12

2432
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:03,840
firefighters.

2433
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,760
They used the growth already in the

2434
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,239
existing tax base. Salt Lake City

2435
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:11,760
adopted a 2.2 $2 billion budget with no

2436
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,679
property tax increase and still funded

2437
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:16,320
police and fire pay raises. They use

2438
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:17,920
stronger than expected revenue and

2439
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,719
existing fund balance, not a new levy.

2440
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:22,960
The pattern is the same. Treat public

2441
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,040
safety as the first claim on money you

2442
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,440
already collect, not the excuse for a

2443
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,400
new tax. Once a rate goes up, it rarely

2444
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,800
comes down. Seniors and families on

2445
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,119
fixed incomes are already absorbing

2446
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:37,920
school district ches changes and other

2447
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:41,360
levies. Please do not add another one

2448
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,880
for two positions that or for positions

2449
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:47,360
that fit inside a $212

2450
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,000
million budget. Vote no on the taxes.

2451
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,239
Hire the officers on the budget you

2452
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:54,639
already have. That is fiscal discipline.

2453
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:58,000
Thank you. All right. Thank you.

2454
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:58,560
Welcome.

2455
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,360
>> Hi, I'm Alicia Adams. I'm an ORM

2456
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,639
resident. I'm in a unique um situation

2457
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:07,040
because I'm also in law enforcement. I

2458
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:11,520
am not an ORUM employee. Um I've been in

2459
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:15,440
law enforcement for over 30 years. Um I

2460
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:20,480
totally support this. Um the it when it

2461
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:23,840
comes down to public safety, um there is

2462
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:27,600
no cost for that. Um to be on the other

2463
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,159
side of the mic, my history has mostly

2464
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:34,239
been with dispatch. Um I have seen

2465
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:36,080
firsthand of the calls that come in

2466
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,560
these officers. ORM does not want to be

2467
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:43,520
a training ground for um for officers to

2468
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,760
become trained and then hired somewhere

2469
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,679
else laterally if you want to be

2470
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:50,000
responsible with money. You keep those

2471
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,840
officers that you've trained as well as

2472
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,639
the firefighters and paramedics.

2473
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:56,159
Um

2474
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,960
my dad was an educator. He um when I

2475
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,920
bought my first home u over 30 years

2476
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,480
ago, I did not have kids, but my dad

2477
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:08,880
said that um I told him, you know, this

2478
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,760
Alpine School District tax was so high.

2479
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,280
Why am I paying for this? I don't even

2480
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,360
have kids. And he said, everyone should

2481
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:19,119
be invested in education. Well, I also

2482
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,920
believe everyone should have um with

2483
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,199
public safety should not be negotiable.

2484
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:26,560
Thank you.

2485
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:31,520
>> All right. Thank you. Right. Welcome.

2486
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:32,960
>> Thank you, Mayor Council. My name is

2487
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,040
Zach Adams. I've been a resident of ORM

2488
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:38,400
for the last 40 years. Um, and full

2489
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:39,760
disclosure, I've also been in law

2490
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,760
enforcement for the past 23 years. Um, I

2491
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:49,280
100% support this tax increase. Um, I I

2492
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,400
work for an agency that is almost 100%

2493
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:55,119
funded off a special taxing district for

2494
01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:57,840
public safety. it is restricted funds

2495
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:02,719
that makes the operation work for us. Um

2496
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,639
the other thing that I would encourage

2497
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:06,800
you to do is recognize this meeting

2498
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,199
every single year to keep your eye on

2499
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:12,719
inflation inflationary issues.

2500
01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:15,520
ORM will have to be competitive. I I'm

2501
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:16,960
not talking about adding new officers.

2502
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,639
I'm talking about retaining the quality

2503
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:21,360
officers that you have right now. That's

2504
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,040
what I think everybody in this room

2505
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,800
would want. We want the best police

2506
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,040
officers keeping our families and our

2507
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,960
communities safe. And so I would

2508
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,599
encourage you to to vote for this in

2509
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:33,520
favor of it. And then also I would

2510
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:34,800
encourage you to come back every single

2511
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:36,480
year and keep your eye on the ball.

2512
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:37,119
Thank you.

2513
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:40,080
>> All right. Thank you, Pete. Anybody

2514
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:45,589
else? All right. Welcome.

2515
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:48,080
» Hi, I'm Valerie Wares. I've been living

2516
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,480
in Orm for 63 years. I hope I didn't

2517
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:52,960
outdo somebody and I'm not that old.

2518
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:57,599
Okay. So, I won't say my age, but um

2519
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,760
there's there's a couple of issues. One

2520
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:03,119
is the it's like we talk about the

2521
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:05,360
police and the and I I love the police

2522
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,440
and the firemen.

2523
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:09,920
They're awesome, but we put that lump it

2524
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,119
in with the the taxes and it's there's

2525
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,320
two separate issues. Um the the city's

2526
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:20,560
own budget um for public safety is $45.3

2527
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,800
million. property taxes you're

2528
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,080
dedicating to it is about 19% of that.

2529
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,760
The biggest source of that fund for

2530
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:31,040
isn't the property tax. It's it's 25.4

2531
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:32,800
million transferred out of the general

2532
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,400
fund. It's which is 56%.

2533
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,800
Um that transfer isn't restricted. It

2534
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:40,960
isn't advertised. It requires no notice,

2535
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:44,159
no hearing. Um it sits entirely to the

2536
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:46,960
council's discretion every single year.

2537
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,119
The other part of that is the fund will

2538
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:51,440
never cover what the police and fire um

2539
01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:54,719
cost. It isn't built to 19% today

2540
01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:58,080
doesn't qualify or doesn't get better.

2541
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,000
Which means every year from here forward

2542
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,599
someone's going to stand here like I'm

2543
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:03,679
standing and say truthfully the public

2544
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:05,760
safety fund doesn't cover public safety

2545
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:11,440
and we need more. Um it's never um and

2546
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:13,520
it never has to ask for much. Nobody

2547
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,800
raises your taxes 50% in one night. Um

2548
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,840
you'd throw them out. The um you raise

2549
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,040
it 7% this year and we get a couple of

2550
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:25,760
officers and then next year you add

2551
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,159
another 7% because nobody's going to

2552
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,400
complain about raising it a little bit

2553
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:34,000
every year. Um and I think that gets to

2554
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,159
be unreasonable at 20 years. It's a huge

2555
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:38,800
difference in tax bill. Um now think

2556
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,400
about what it does to the next resident

2557
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,639
who shows up here with a hard question.

2558
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,800
not questioning the budget anymore.

2559
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,239
She's questioning the police. And you

2560
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:49,440
build a structure where the only way to

2561
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,280
ask whether the city is being managed

2562
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,360
well is to look if is to look like

2563
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,199
you're against the men and women who run

2564
01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:57,199
into burning buildings. And I had a

2565
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,760
whole group of them uh several months

2566
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:04,000
ago. Um which wasn't fun, but no one got

2567
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,639
hurt. Well, one person did, but um I'm

2568
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:08,239
not against them. I want them to have

2569
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:10,320
their funding. I want them to have the

2570
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:14,480
number of people they need. not be cut,

2571
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,800
but I don't want them being used as a

2572
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,199
shield for for a tax mechanism. The

2573
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:21,280
structure protects 19% of their budget

2574
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:25,360
and leaves 56 56% floating. If a stable

2575
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,440
funding for these departments was really

2576
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:29,199
the goal, then it's not how you should

2577
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,520
build it. Fund them through real budget

2578
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,320
decisions, not in the open every year or

2579
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,159
out in the open every year on the

2580
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:38,719
merits. They've earned that. what they

2581
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,320
haven't earned is being somebody's

2582
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:44,080
talking point every August. Thank you.

2583
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,920
>> Thank you.

2584
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:50,390
All right. Welcome.

2585
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,960
» Thank you,

2586
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,280
mayor, members of the council. I think

2587
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:57,599
you know my name is Dave Young. I live

2588
01:55:57,599 --> 01:55:59,679
in ORM and I served as your mayor for

2589
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:02,159
four years. I didn't have any intention

2590
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,400
of coming tonight. I haven't been to a

2591
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,400
meeting since I left office, but people

2592
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:08,400
have been asking me relentlessly what I

2593
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:09,840
think. And I'd rather say it to your

2594
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,719
faces than just say it around town.

2595
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:15,280
To be clear, I'm not here about $12.

2596
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:17,280
That's ridiculous.

2597
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:20,800
$450,000 in a budget of 177 million is a

2598
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,599
rounding error. It's teeny. Any council

2599
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:25,840
that wants to fund two officers can find

2600
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,800
that money in an afternoon.

2601
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:31,760
I listen to the chief. I believe him. I

2602
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,960
consider him a good friend. 18,000 hours

2603
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,840
of forced overtime is a real problem.

2604
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:40,000
Federal grants running out is a real

2605
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:44,560
problem. Funded the officers. Fund them.

2606
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,639
My point is that a city with $177

2607
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:48,159
million budget did not need to

2608
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:51,440
restructure its property tax to do so.

2609
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,280
That's what I'm here about. This new

2610
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,679
special fund. You've already voted to

2611
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,599
create it. I'm asking you to reverse

2612
01:56:57,599 --> 01:57:00,960
that vote. Here's why. During my four

2613
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,320
years, this city have built one of the

2614
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:04,320
best fire departments in the state, made

2615
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,520
real improvements to our police

2616
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,440
department, and put more than hund00

2617
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,080
million in new city infrastructure, all

2618
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:11,440
but through the worst inflation this

2619
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,440
country has seen in 40 years without

2620
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:16,480
raising taxes once. There was no special

2621
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:20,320
fund. Nobody needed one. So, when the

2622
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:22,320
city tells you it needs a dedicated fund

2623
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,000
to take care of the police and fire,

2624
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,159
respectfully, I don't believe that's

2625
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:28,639
true. And the people in this room who

2626
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:31,599
are here know it isn't true. It's not

2627
01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:34,560
theory. We proved it in this building

2628
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,400
with this budget with the same staff

2629
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,880
sitting here tonight. What this fund

2630
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,880
actually does is hand the city a

2631
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,040
permanent reason to raise taxes with a

2632
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,440
label nobody's willing to vote against.

2633
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,119
That fund will never cover what police

2634
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:49,760
and fire cost. It isn't built to. So

2635
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:51,520
every year from now on, someone can

2636
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:52,960
stand right here where I'm standing and

2637
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,440
truthfully say the public safety fund

2638
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,920
doesn't cover public safety, so we need

2639
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:01,199
more. That's not a budget. That's a

2640
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:04,000
one-way street. And we've all watched

2641
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,599
what that how that looks in other

2642
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:08,239
places. Ask how a school district raised

2643
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:11,119
taxes 8% a year for 20 years while the

2644
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:13,520
cost of living only went up two. Ask how

2645
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,920
a county passed a 47% tax increase

2646
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,080
without blinking. That doesn't come from

2647
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,560
one bad vote. That comes from a culture

2648
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,119
where raising taxes is the first answer

2649
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,840
instead of the last one. ORM has never

2650
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,400
been that city. That isn't luck. Every

2651
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,159
spring, this council meets and decides

2652
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:32,960
whether to raise taxes. This new fund

2653
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:35,599
takes that decision away. You start with

2654
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:38,639
7% for two officers, then 7% the next

2655
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:41,440
year, then seven again, and 20 years

2656
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,760
later, just like the school district,

2657
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:45,440
you wind up in a place you don't want to

2658
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,080
be. I don't think most of you set out to

2659
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,000
do this.

2660
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,360
It's easy. That's an easy thing to miss

2661
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:54,639
when the number in front of you is

2662
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:58,400
small, $12 a month. It's happened to me.

2663
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,119
But you can fix it tonight. Rescend the

2664
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:03,760
new fund. Put property tax back in the

2665
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:05,760
general fund where it has been since the

2666
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,920
beginning of ORUM and fund the police

2667
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,560
and fire the way this city always has by

2668
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:13,840
making them a priority out in the open.

2669
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:15,679
As I always said when I was here, just

2670
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:17,267
do the right thing for the right reason.

2671
01:59:17,267 --> 01:59:18,320
[clears throat] Thank you.

2672
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,639
>> Thank you.

2673
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:25,030
All right. Welcome.

2674
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,920
» Hi, my name's Hans Verkler. Um, I'm a

2675
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:31,760
resident here and uh, like pretty much

2676
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,239
every other commenter before me, I'm

2677
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:36,239
want to make it clear I'm not against

2678
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:38,480
getting the police more funding. It um,

2679
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:41,440
that that was pretty eloquently put by

2680
01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:44,560
the by the chief. Um,

2681
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:47,040
but I am very against putting it into

2682
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:50,000
property taxes. And for the same, again,

2683
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,840
to echo a lot of the other people that

2684
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,960
have already talked, it's it's not the

2685
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,560
$12, it's the principal. Um, if the

2686
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:00,480
police need more funding, you know, pay

2687
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,560
them first out of the entire budget and

2688
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,639
then let the other funds trickle down as

2689
02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:07,599
they may. And if we need to, you know,

2690
02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:10,000
go without some of the amenities that we

2691
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,040
currently enjoy, um, I'm fine with that.

2692
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:14,400
And I've talked to a lot of other people

2693
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,560
in my own neighborhood, um, just north

2694
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:19,599
of the Sarah, and they feel the same.

2695
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:23,040
Um, I also, if I'm not mistaken, I it

2696
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,639
seems like most of the funding or at

2697
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:26,320
least a lot of the funding comes from

2698
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,560
sales tax uh just overall for the city

2699
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,599
and and um and so I think that the point

2700
02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:35,360
hasn't been made that uh or I guess the

2701
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,520
point has been implied that there hasn't

2702
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:39,360
been any like increase in funding that

2703
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,960
can be used for, you know, law

2704
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:42,639
enforcement or firefighting and stuff.

2705
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:44,960
But if most of the funding or at least a

2706
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:46,560
large portion of it is coming from sales

2707
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:49,119
tax that is directly going to increase

2708
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:51,199
with inflation which we've all seen. So

2709
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,440
I you know I want to make that little

2710
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:57,199
point um that you know funding has been

2711
02:00:57,199 --> 02:01:01,360
going up as uh as inflation has. And

2712
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:06,159
then I I would say that um

2713
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:08,080
to keep

2714
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:10,320
property taxes down is not just helpful

2715
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:12,480
for the elderly in the community who

2716
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:13,840
are, you know, getting priced out of

2717
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,880
their own homes, but it's also very uh

2718
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,920
applicable to young homeowners. Um I got

2719
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,639
a bunch of friends who are they feel

2720
02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:24,880
totally priced out because prices are

2721
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,360
high, interest is high, and then when

2722
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:29,199
property taxes add on to that, that's

2723
02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:31,679
that just makes it worse. And so again,

2724
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:34,480
it's it's not don't give the police more

2725
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:36,239
funding, it's where does it come from

2726
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:39,440
that I think is the key issue. And um if

2727
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,239
there's if there's really no other place

2728
02:01:42,239 --> 02:01:44,719
that funding can be squeezed out of that

2729
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:47,679
isn't life or death, which um I I feel

2730
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:48,880
like there is, but I you know, I haven't

2731
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:50,320
seen the sheets, so maybe there's not.

2732
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:52,080
But if there really wasn't, I would

2733
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,480
rather have an increase in sales tax,

2734
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:56,960
for example, because then at least it's

2735
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,599
uh there's some agency involved in in

2736
02:01:59,599 --> 02:02:01,119
that money leaving your pocket as

2737
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:03,440
opposed to property taxes, which they

2738
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:04,880
just get taken whether you like it or

2739
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,360
not. Doesn't matter your age or how long

2740
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:08,800
you've been there, anything like that.

2741
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:12,960
So, um yeah, let's let's see if we can

2742
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,040
get it from somewhere else. Hopefully,

2743
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,199
we can. And I'd like to see the receipts

2744
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:19,199
on that. And if you can't, don't put it

2745
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:22,719
in property taxes, maybe sales tax. At

2746
02:02:22,719 --> 02:02:23,840
least then you'd have to show the

2747
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,440
receipts to everybody cuz everybody's

2748
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:27,679
directly paying sales tax. And so they I

2749
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:29,280
think it would keep it even more

2750
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:31,360
transparent.

2751
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:32,000
>> Thank you.

2752
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,880
>> All right. Thank you.

2753
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,440
All right. Welcome.

2754
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:39,440
This is one of my former city council

2755
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:40,880
colleagues.

2756
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:45,280
>> Yeah. I used to sit right there and she

2757
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:48,560
sat right there. for my first

2758
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,080
>> Yeah, we had a good time.

2759
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:51,679
>> Yeah, she used to say, "This is what's

2760
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:53,520
happening."

2761
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,400
Anyway, she helped me. Uh, yeah. I

2762
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:57,440
always bring back

2763
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:58,800
>> state your name for the record.

2764
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,119
>> Oh, I'm H Anderson, and I've been here

2765
02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:03,760
58 years.

2766
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,360
My dad brought me here when I was 10.

2767
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,119
I like policemen, too. When I first

2768
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:11,040
graduated from college, the first job I

2769
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,040
applied for was to be a policeman in a

2770
02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:16,480
town in southern Utah County.

2771
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:20,719
And the mayor, he uh

2772
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:22,400
said, "I'm not going to hire you." He

2773
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:23,920
said, "You scored real high on the

2774
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:25,440
tests,

2775
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,199
but you're skinny." He said, "We got

2776
02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:29,760
problems around here. I'd make it now. I

2777
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,159
got plenty of weight to put." But I met

2778
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:33,520
the other guy I did buy, and he was

2779
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,520
twice my size, so that was that was

2780
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,520
good.

2781
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:39,679
Uh the most exciting thing that happened

2782
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:42,960
to me when I was on the city council was

2783
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,480
uh

2784
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:47,520
the city wanted to raise taxes

2785
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:52,560
uh 48% which was uh 3,44

2786
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:55,669
3,345,000

2787
02:03:55,679 --> 02:03:59,440
and I decided to try and stop that and

2788
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,599
it was a 61 vote to begin with and then

2789
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:04,159
it they argued back and forth. There

2790
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:05,920
were so many mad people here, a lot more

2791
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:08,239
than what you've got here. But they saw

2792
02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:09,599
the people that were there and then the

2793
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:11,679
mayor said, "Well, how about if we just

2794
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:13,760
do half?" And so they lowered it down to

2795
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:17,679
half and and still I said, "No."

2796
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:20,880
But anyway, with a whole lot of Worm

2797
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,360
residents signing a petition, we did

2798
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:28,400
away with it and it was 3,345,000.

2799
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,159
And I added that up the other day when I

2800
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:31,280
was thinking of coming down here and

2801
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:33,119
saying something. You know, that's over

2802
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:37,599
$50 million. It's over $50 million that

2803
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:40,320
ORM citizens kept that ORM city didn't

2804
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,560
get. And you know what? The city's still

2805
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,560
here.

2806
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,960
In fact, we're doing great. Spent 37

2807
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:53,270
million on a new uh city building.

2808
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:55,920
I was looking in the records, balance

2809
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:59,360
sheets and so forth for Orm City and uh

2810
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:01,280
I was trying to find out how much was in

2811
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,119
the rainy day fund and they said, "Well,

2812
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:05,280
ORM doesn't have a rainy day fund."

2813
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:07,920
this, you know, came up on the computer.

2814
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,760
And anyway, uh, Fitch ratings said that

2815
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,560
we had $33 million in [snorts] our

2816
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:17,669
unrestricted

2817
02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:20,239
general fund reserves

2818
02:05:20,239 --> 02:05:23,440
and S&P

2819
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,119
said that we had this AAA reading

2820
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:26,639
because we had all this money in

2821
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:29,040
savings.

2822
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:31,360
And so what I would suggest you do is

2823
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:34,560
instead of adding more to your reserves,

2824
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,880
in fact it even mentioned Brandon that

2825
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:40,480
he had to give the state a or transfer

2826
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:44,159
money out of one to another fund

2827
02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:47,840
uh so that we were not above the reserve

2828
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:49,920
limit.

2829
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:54,159
But anyway, uh you've got the money.

2830
02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:57,360
You've got a lot more than 450,000.

2831
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,119
Uh

2832
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:01,760
S&P and Fitz say you've got over 33

2833
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,800
million. I was I got up 6:30 and I got

2834
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:06,239
back to May 31st,

2835
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:06,719
>> Mr.

2836
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:08,080
>> But anyway, you can make a whole lot of

2837
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:12,159
citizens happy that are here if you just

2838
02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:14,719
don't have as much money in savings.

2839
02:06:14,719 --> 02:06:17,040
>> You don't need that much. I love

2840
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:18,560
savings, too. I got a big savings

2841
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:20,320
account, but

2842
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,000
I don't have to share with these people,

2843
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,360
but you do. You do. [laughter and gasps]

2844
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:28,320
>> All right. Thank you. All right, Pete.

2845
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:31,119
Do we have anyone online?

2846
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:33,199
All right. This is the last call for

2847
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:36,800
anyone who would like to come and speak

2848
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:41,352
before I close the public hearing.

2849
02:06:41,362 --> 02:06:42,320
[sighs and gasps]

2850
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:45,599
All right. Well, I will go ahead then

2851
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:48,079
and clo

2852
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:50,800
close the public hearing

2853
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,400
and

2854
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,719
all right council.

2855
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:57,920
I was taking notes but

2856
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:59,679
there's six of us taking notes. I want

2857
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:01,520
to make sure that we start going through

2858
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:06,480
the questions that were asked. I marked some questions. If somebody

2859
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,239
would like to start, if someone else

2860
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:13,040
would like to start with questions that really stood out to you and I will

2861
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:14,480
mark them off here just I just want to

2862
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:16,000
make sure that we cover the the

2863
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:19,599
questions that were that were asked.

2864
02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:22,719
Um is someone Oh, okay. Council member,

2865
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:25,360
>> I'll start I'll start with a question

2866
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,440
that was brought up right off the bat

2867
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:30,079
and the property tax increase. So when

2868
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,719
we get our property tax notice from the

2869
02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:34,960
county and we see that how much of that

2870
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:38,560
is actually ORUM versus county school

2871
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:41,280
district and other other pieces of that

2872
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:42,719
pie

2873
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:45,280
>> as far as the total for ORM.

2874
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:46,239
>> Yes,

2875
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:49,280
>> as mentioned about 14%.

2876
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:51,920
The total of of the average homes tax

2877
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:53,679
bill.

2878
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:55,599
>> Okay. So, so when we get that tax

2879
02:07:55,599 --> 02:07:57,440
notice, that money is not all going to

2880
02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:02,159
ORM taxes, but 14% of that is for ORM.

2881
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:06,790
Correct. Thank you.

2882
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,119
» All right. Um, anybody else? And I've

2883
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:10,719
got some questions that I'm going to

2884
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:13,760
ask. One of the one of the themes that

2885
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,880
came out uh

2886
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:18,400
was

2887
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,800
the the amount of money that is in in

2888
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,679
other accounts and for other purposes.

2889
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:29,040
Uh I was just wondering if you if we

2890
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:30,800
could go I guess same I don't know it

2891
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:36,320
was Bren or Brandon talk about the different the funding

2892
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:38,960
sources how some of them I know it's my

2893
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:41,040
understanding that some of them we can't

2894
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,280
they're they're restricted

2895
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:47,040
others are not and we do have we do have

2896
02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:48,320
range so I want to know that I want to

2897
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:49,679
know about the amount that we have in

2898
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:52,719
our um cash reserves

2899
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:56,880
um from what Mr. Anderson said, "And

2900
02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:06,079
what in the budget process t talk to us about how how we got to where

2901
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:08,880
this property tax increase was

2902
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,280
suggested. It sounds like it went

2903
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:13,199
through the budget. The department heads

2904
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:14,320
went through the budget and very

2905
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,880
carefully scrutinized. I know that I've

2906
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:18,159
looked at things in the budget, but

2907
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:20,480
anyway, I I'm just going to give you the

2908
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:22,079
opportunity to to address some of those

2909
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:25,360
issues, those common themes.

2910
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,599
I'll attempt to give an answer and and

2911
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:30,000
of course, I'll look to Brandon and some

2912
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:32,400
of our excellent staff to help fill in

2913
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:37,199
any blanks. Um uh but first of all, I I

2914
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:39,920
also would be remiss. Usually you hear

2915
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:41,920
me uh share compliments and

2916
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,520
appreciation, recognition for our staff.

2917
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:46,400
And so I do I do absolutely have to

2918
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:49,199
confirm and state that Chief Robinson

2919
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:51,520
and our PD staff really are the best. We

2920
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,000
do expect them to be empathetic and

2921
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,000
customer serviceoriented

2922
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:01,040
while enforcing difficult hard laws and

2923
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:04,880
no one does it better than them. Um, in

2924
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,320
terms of budgeting process, some of the

2925
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,800
principles we use are a we want to take

2926
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:12,880
a multi-pronged approach to revenues and

2927
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:17,040
a multi-year approach. And so that uh

2928
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:21,199
we're not um uh putting uh the burden of

2929
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:24,719
any increases on one partic particular

2930
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:28,000
year or group of residents. In that way,

2931
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,679
we also want to show that we're doing

2932
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:32,079
our very best and and cutting uh

2933
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:33,760
wherever we can and always trying to

2934
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,760
find efficiencies.

2935
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:40,560
Um but uh at the same time uh we want to

2936
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,280
ensure effectiveness as well. And so in

2937
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:45,040
trying to balance efficiency and

2938
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:52,320
effectiveness, that's optimization. So, um uh certainly we uh our public

2939
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:58,800
safety and our staff is is committed to taking that kind of approach to to

2940
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:02,960
budgeting. Um in terms of specific uh

2941
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:04,480
cuts

2942
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:09,440
um that uh uh have been considered um in

2943
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:12,719
particular we've done uh specifically as

2944
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:15,040
it's related to public safety. We've

2945
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,760
looked at restructuring our police

2946
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,840
records group. So these are our civilian

2947
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,440
nonsworn uh police department

2948
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:28,000
employees. Um and uh we've also uh done

2949
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:28,910
some

2950
02:11:28,910 --> 02:11:28,960
>> [snorts]

2951
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:31,360
>> uh restructuring and and dividing of

2952
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,480
labor as it relates to risk management

2953
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:37,119
or uh uh our staff that's focused on

2954
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:39,920
trying to prevent uh liability and

2955
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:45,360
accidents and that sort of thing. Um at the same time probably one little

2956
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,440
clarification about property tax in

2957
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:51,440
Utah. it does not go up automatically

2958
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:55,440
with uh the value of your home. It

2959
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,079
actually uh the revenue stays the same.

2960
02:11:58,079 --> 02:12:00,639
So that means we get a natural cut every

2961
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:04,159
year because we lose purchasing power.

2962
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:07,440
Uh so the only way other than a tax

2963
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:09,360
increase for our property tax revenue to

2964
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:13,199
go up is with new growth. So if a new

2965
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:16,079
building comes in, then we would start

2966
02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:18,480
to get property tax from that. But on

2967
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,719
existing buildings,

2968
02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:23,840
uh, property tax does not go up with the

2969
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:25,599
value of the house.

2970
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:27,440
>> And then this is this is going to be

2971
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:29,920
kind of a correlary to that. Um, we had

2972
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,639
a gentleman talk about how the value of

2973
02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:36,159
the property continues to rise and so

2974
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:38,000
that's where the property tax could do

2975
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,639
you could you address that how how the

2976
02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:43,679
an increase in property value does not

2977
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:46,560
and how the whole thing works is just so

2978
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,960
because my property taxes have gone up a

2979
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:52,320
ton since I bought my home in 1991

2980
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:57,040
and so and it's an issue that that I it

2981
02:12:57,040 --> 02:12:58,480
frustrates me how how it's calcul

2982
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:00,960
related and all that stuff. But anyway,

2983
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:03,360
if you can explain that.

2984
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:08,400
>> So, any taxing entity has to do a has to

2985
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:12,960
request and approve a tax increase uh in

2986
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:16,159
order for the tax revenue to go up. So,

2987
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:18,639
other taxing entities

2988
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:21,599
have done increases over over the years

2989
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:26,560
as it relates to property tax. Um,

2990
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:30,000
if I'm summarizing how it happens,

2991
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,480
uh, the county looks at all of the tax

2992
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:39,119
assessed value of all the properties in the county and they look at what is a

2993
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:43,920
new or expanded building and that they

2994
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:48,239
begin to tax that. But anything that was

2995
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:51,199
an existing property

2996
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:54,960
um and that value goes up then the tax

2997
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:58,400
rate the mill rate comes down the same

2998
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,599
degree that the tax value of existing

2999
02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:04,880
properties went up. So Brandon could

3000
02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:07,360
show you and and uh you may recall from

3001
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,159
uh one of the presentations of uh Laura

3002
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:13,440
Lewis with with LRB. Um they showed that

3003
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:17,840
over time our tax rate has gone down for

3004
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:20,079
ORM specifically.

3005
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:25,520
Um uh but we've uh but our revenue has

3006
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,320
stayed the same because of that off

3007
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:36,550
offset between tax value and tax rate.

3008
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,560
Okay, so like we've talked about, we're

3009
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:40,320
not solving for the equal on the right

3010
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:41,520
side of the equal sign. That's

3011
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,199
determined by the county. This says this

3012
02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:47,760
is how much money this is the value. And

3013
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,400
so you back into that with the tax rate

3014
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,480
and then tax rate goes down because we

3015
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:57,599
keep that we keep that revenue the same

3016
02:14:57,599 --> 02:14:59,280
unless we go ahead and do what we're

3017
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:01,520
doing tonight at least considering

3018
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:03,679
tonight in having this type truth and

3019
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:05,520
taxation hearing.

3020
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:07,760
>> Correct. Brandon, is there any other way

3021
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:11,520
you would explain or summarize that?

3022
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:14,560
>> Nope. That's pretty much it.

3023
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:19,520
I would also say that if there uh we as

3024
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,159
cities and local government agencies we

3025
02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:27,520
are limited in what taxes and revenues

3026
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:32,320
we can increase or charge. So, uh, I

3027
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:35,199
would love to be able to, uh, look at

3028
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:39,520
and consider a a or propose, for

3029
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,719
example, a sales tax increase instead of

3030
02:15:42,719 --> 02:15:45,520
a property tax increase. Uh, because

3031
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:47,280
then all of the people who come from

3032
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:48,960
outside of the city and shop here, then

3033
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,520
they would be helping to pay for uh, our

3034
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:54,480
services. But state doesn't allow for

3035
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:58,880
that method of tax increase uh, for us.

3036
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:02,480
Um, the only the only method of tax

3037
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,840
increase that is left for us cities is a

3038
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:10,239
property tax increase possibility.

3039
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:11,360
>> So, mayor,

3040
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:12,719
>> thank you. I've got more questions, but

3041
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,400
I want to ask council if do you want

3042
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,360
have any questions that you want to

3043
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:18,560
>> Oh, you've got

3044
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:20,560
>> So, I just wanted to mention, so as Bren

3045
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,679
said, the maximum allowable state uh

3046
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:26,719
sales tax that the state allows us, we

3047
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:28,639
charge that. So we don't have the

3048
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:31,760
ability to raise that franchise tax, all

3049
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:34,160
of our franchise taxes state maximum. We

3050
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:35,760
don't have an ability to raise those.

3051
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:39,599
are set. So that the and property

3052
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:41,599
tax being the third tax that we have

3053
02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:43,439
some ability to do something about. And

3054
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:45,359
that is part of the reason why we're

3055
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:47,200
here. Part of the other reason is our

3056
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:49,599
sales taxes which we've lived off of

3057
02:16:49,599 --> 02:16:53,280
indefinitely for plus 40 plus years have

3058
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:58,000
now continue in 2023.

3059
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,200
It was a.3% increase

3060
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:06,080
in 2024 was a negative 1% increase.

3061
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:08,160
Those are not

3062
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:12,000
giving us any additional dollars

3063
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:15,439
to work with in a in as mentioned in an

3064
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:18,559
inflationary environment. So we would

3065
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:20,559
for those people who think oh well the

3066
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:22,559
city is receiving the benefit of that

3067
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:26,080
inflation we are not.

3068
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:29,599
it's lower than the inflationary amount.

3069
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:32,080
How we have done it in the past is we

3070
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:34,319
have been, if you will, the king of

3071
02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:37,040
sales tax and so we've lived off of that

3072
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:40,240
sales tax. That is no longer the case.

3073
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:40,559
>> Okay.

3074
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:41,519
>> And I just wanted to make that clear.

3075
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:42,160
>> Thank you.

3076
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:44,960
>> And while I've got you here, um, what is

3077
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:47,760
our our fund balance? What tell me about

3078
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:49,439
well what what was referred to as the

3079
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:50,719
rainy day fund.

3080
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:53,840
So the as mentioned that is the the fund

3081
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:56,960
balance is approximately $30 million.

3082
02:17:56,960 --> 02:18:00,559
Now the state and the standard uh rate

3083
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:04,000
setters when we calculate fund balance

3084
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000
they do not take into account assign

3085
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:07,599
what we refer to as assigned fund

3086
02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:11,679
balance which is items that we already

3087
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:13,679
have open purchase orders for but have

3088
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:15,200
not completed yet. So, we're we're

3089
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:17,120
intending to buy it, but we haven't

3090
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:19,120
actually been able to fund it yet

3091
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:20,399
because we haven't either received the

3092
02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:21,840
product or the service or whatever it

3093
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:25,040
may be. We also have um many capital

3094
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:27,599
projects that same process. We've

3095
02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:28,960
identified where we're going to spend

3096
02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:31,519
those funds, but we have yet to either

3097
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:33,519
start the project or spend all of that

3098
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:35,679
money on that project.

3099
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:39,280
those do not get accounted for as part

3100
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:42,479
of that 30 million and and reaching our

3101
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:45,359
ceiling that the state has set. So if

3102
02:18:45,359 --> 02:18:47,359
you want to count what we actually have

3103
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,760
available to us, it's more in the $14

3104
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,319
million neighborhood. We can all and

3105
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:54,880
that's around 20%.

3106
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:57,840
So we can all argue that the floor that

3107
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:00,559
the state allows is 5%.

3108
02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:02,880
So we have a you know a 15 and it

3109
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:07,439
fluctuates. So, we have a 15 10 to 15%

3110
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:10,880
uh room that we have to operate within a

3111
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:13,040
uh we'll call it a rainy day fund even

3112
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:14,559
though that's it's not officially called

3113
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:15,599
that.

3114
02:19:15,599 --> 02:19:17,920
>> Um so, we can all argue about well what

3115
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,240
is the proper amount for that that money

3116
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:21,920
to and what should it where should it

3117
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,920
be? Well, I can tell you when the re but

3118
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:25,679
and I hate to bring up the 2008

3119
02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:29,519
recession, but we got to 6%.

3120
02:19:29,519 --> 02:19:31,439
If if the economy hadn't turned around

3121
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:35,040
when it did, we would have not had we

3122
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,280
would have fell below that ceiling. That

3123
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:40,559
is why the state raised the at that time

3124
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:43,920
the maximum was 18%. That is why they

3125
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:45,920
raised it

3126
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:49,200
three times since that point. So that

3127
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,680
cities had the capability to withstand

3128
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:53,840
such an event.

3129
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,240
God forbid we have a natural disaster.

3130
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:58,160
Everybody thinks a FEMA is going to come

3131
02:19:58,160 --> 02:19:59,520
save the day or the state's going to

3132
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,920
come save the day. Well, they they may

3133
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:03,439
come help, but guess what? You need

3134
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:05,359
immediately. You need funds available

3135
02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:07,920
immediately to be able to handle that.

3136
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,479
You'll get reimbursed at some point for

3137
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:13,520
if not all of that, most of it. So, but

3138
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:15,439
we again we can all argue about what is

3139
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:17,040
the proper amount that needs to be there

3140
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:18,479
for that.

3141
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:21,520
>> Okay. Thank you. Um I'm and I neglected

3142
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:22,880
to do this after the closing of the

3143
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:24,720
public hearing. I I want to thank all of

3144
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:27,040
you for coming. What I'm what I'm

3145
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:32,880
hearing in tonight is that there's no argument about the

3146
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:35,600
destination about having a strong public

3147
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:37,120
safety [gasps]

3148
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:39,760
uh uh program here and departments and

3149
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:42,560
here in the city. It's how do we get

3150
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:45,280
there is and I hope that's a a very

3151
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,160
short synopsis of of what I see. So I

3152
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:52,800
hope I hope you too you gentlemen and your your teams feel that the

3153
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,840
support of the community for for the

3154
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:58,319
service that you do. [gasps] Um it seems

3155
02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:01,280
the discussion has been centering on a

3156
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:05,120
couple of different things. One is the

3157
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:10,000
fund the idea of a public safety fund.

3158
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:11,280
What that would look like? What would

3159
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:13,920
that look like going forward? Is it

3160
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:15,760
something that's going to be are we

3161
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:17,760
going to be doing these every year? Is

3162
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:20,160
this something or why why is it that

3163
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:24,399
it's why are we doing a separate fund?

3164
02:21:24,399 --> 02:21:27,280
And so that the the the one vehicle of

3165
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:30,640
that and then also about the actual

3166
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:36,720
dollar amount. What is the the $450,000?

3167
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:38,800
Does it make sense to increase property

3168
02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:41,200
taxes? Have we as a council and staff

3169
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:43,760
done our homework to look at and examine

3170
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:47,840
other other ways to do funding to fund

3171
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:52,720
this without um going forward with a a

3172
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:54,720
proposal for a property tax increase. So

3173
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:56,479
I I see those as different issues. So

3174
02:21:56,479 --> 02:21:59,600
council as we discuss that I I would

3175
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:02,080
like to talk about those. I also have

3176
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:03,760
some other questions that that

3177
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,319
individuals had here. We had Mr. BB he

3178
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:12,240
had a lot of questions um chief about what the data supports the service

3179
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:14,240
response times

3180
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:17,040
uh just the different studies that have

3181
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:19,120
hap I don't know if you want to address

3182
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:22,000
any any of the uh you know the highest

3183
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:23,840
officer number of officers per capita in

3184
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:26,160
Utah county and what's happened with the

3185
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:27,760
four you know when we did the four off

3186
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,439
had the hired the four officers so if

3187
02:22:29,439 --> 02:22:31,920
you want to take a minute and address

3188
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:34,720
some of the questions that Mr. BB asked.

3189
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:36,319
I'd appreciate it.

3190
02:22:36,319 --> 02:22:38,160
>> You may have to repeat a few of those.

3191
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:40,080
I'll go with the ones I can remember.

3192
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:41,120
>> And council, you're going to have to

3193
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:43,200
help me here, too, because I I want to

3194
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:45,040
make sure I have what uh what does the

3195
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,200
data support? That was my first one. Is

3196
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:49,840
that what you had about the response

3197
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:52,720
times and the service calls?

3198
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:54,720
>> So, our about our 10-year average of

3199
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,399
calls per year is right around 60,000.

3200
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:02,479
Last year it was 54 or just under

3201
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:05,359
55,000. Uh the year before that it was

3202
02:23:05,359 --> 02:23:09,680
65,000. The year before that 55,000. And

3203
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:12,800
so why do they fluctuate?

3204
02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:17,840
I don't know. I don't have a uh metric

3205
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:22,240
to show you why we have uh certain calls

3206
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:25,680
at certain times a day. Um, I don't have

3207
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:30,720
an answer for you as to why. Um,

3208
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:33,120
our average is right around over the

3209
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:34,640
last 5 years, right around where we're

3210
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:38,160
at last year in 2025 was 55,000.

3211
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:43,439
Um, in 20 look around 2017, 2019, we

3212
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:46,080
were up around 76,000.

3213
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,720
Back then, we created a case number for

3214
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,280
everything we did. And we had officers

3215
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,520
do a little

3216
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,680
sentence and a case number for

3217
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:59,359
everything we did. We stopped doing that

3218
02:23:59,359 --> 02:24:04,160
took too much time and so trimming

3219
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,760
our

3220
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:07,680
operations as to why we were doing that

3221
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:10,000
and how we were doing that. So we

3222
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:14,800
started creating what like every time a call comes into dispatch creates a CAD

3223
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:17,600
number. Every CAD number doesn't always

3224
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:20,720
get a case number. Um, so there were

3225
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:22,640
some years in there where it's hard to

3226
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:24,399
go back and then mine that data back out

3227
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,640
to figure out, okay, how many are we

3228
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:30,800
actually responding to? Um, so I would

3229
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:35,600
say our our our calls are

3230
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:40,000
the the same in the sense of uh that

3231
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:44,720
they they have I mean our we were 55,000

3232
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:48,560
this this year or 2025 2024 was 65,000

3233
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:49,920
and the year before that they were back

3234
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,080
down to where we were. So

3235
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:53,840
>> it just it varies. So it varies

3236
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:55,359
>> where they going to be next year. I

3237
02:24:55,359 --> 02:24:55,680
don't know.

3238
02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:57,840
>> No, no. So I think that goes as I've

3239
02:24:57,840 --> 02:24:59,600
been was doing my research and I visited

3240
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:05,680
with you. It sounds like that while the number of calls has remained

3241
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:09,439
I want to say just kind of there or down

3242
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:12,640
but it's what what other types of work

3243
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:14,319
have your department has your department

3244
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:17,120
done? I'm thinking right the outreach uh

3245
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:19,200
we have the mental health unit now we

3246
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:22,080
have the ex uh this the expectation of

3247
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,800
the school resource officers. What what

3248
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:27,680
is it that's maybe the data doesn't I

3249
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:29,439
don't data plur I should ask council

3250
02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:31,040
member makum because he's he's an

3251
02:25:31,040 --> 02:25:34,800
academic guy is data what does a plural

3252
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:38,000
singular what is it

3253
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:40,160
data is plural

3254
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:43,520
does it show

3255
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,240
so uh it doesn't always show everything

3256
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,080
but what tell me about tell us about

3257
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:50,240
some of the other things you're doing

3258
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:52,000
>> um

3259
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,359
the data might not show

3260
02:25:53,359 --> 02:25:55,200
>> I'll answer But one question he asked

3261
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:57,760
the 2019 officers were four of them.

3262
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:00,800
Four of those went to patrol to beef up

3263
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,319
minimum staffing uh for swing shift.

3264
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:06,560
That's our most busy shift um of the

3265
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,520
day. Uh so we put those bodies in in

3266
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:12,800
that spot. uh the federal grants that we

3267
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:16,479
received uh for seven officers uh had to

3268
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:18,720
be dedicated for community oriented

3269
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:22,880
policing, mental health, and so we had

3270
02:26:22,880 --> 02:26:27,680
the mental health team was designed to

3271
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:29,840
try and follow up with our mental health

3272
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:33,760
consumers to try to reduce the times

3273
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:35,520
that officers would have to go back out

3274
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:37,680
and respond to the same individual. So

3275
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:39,520
that team would, you know, a mental

3276
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:41,359
health call would come in, patrol would

3277
02:26:41,359 --> 02:26:44,160
deal with it. The next next day, uh

3278
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,479
Cameron and her team, um well, at I'm

3279
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:49,520
trying to think at that time it was

3280
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:53,439
probably Jameson. Um would uh follow up

3281
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:55,120
with that individual, try to get them in

3282
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:57,120
touch with resources. Sometimes it's a

3283
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:01,439
phone call checking on on them. um

3284
02:27:01,439 --> 02:27:03,600
because of the turnover, uh we haven't

3285
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:06,720
had them uh we've had to pull those two

3286
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:08,560
officers back and put them on the road.

3287
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:11,359
So now we have our civilian employee uh

3288
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:13,760
following up on that. And then when she

3289
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:15,280
needs to go and make an actual visit,

3290
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:17,359
she has to pull an officer off the road

3291
02:27:17,359 --> 02:27:18,720
uh that's responding to call for

3292
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:21,600
services in order to make sure that

3293
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:23,840
she's safe as she's doing the follow-up

3294
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:26,960
on that. We've also employed uh in

3295
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:28,960
interns from the universities to help

3296
02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:31,280
with that. That's been extremely

3297
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:33,760
successful to help um as they rotate

3298
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:35,760
through and able to do the the work from

3299
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:37,920
a civilian standpoint. Uh we will

3300
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,640
continue to leverage that to to aid us.

3301
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,640
Um the other one was our community

3302
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:46,160
oriented policing. Um Chief Adams uh

3303
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:50,240
when he uh was here that was a extremely

3304
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:52,640
uh important and uh very strong focus of

3305
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,359
our department. we began, you know, we

3306
02:27:55,359 --> 02:28:00,160
don't have DARE officers anymore in the elementary schools. Uh, and so he

3307
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:03,040
created a reading program, uh, where we

3308
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:05,120
would go in and read to first and second

3309
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:07,760
graders. And, um, you know, been a long

3310
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:10,160
time since I've read a Dr. Seuss book.

3311
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,800
Um, and so those activities were taken

3312
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:14,880
care of by those officers and those

3313
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:17,439
teams. Um, and then as we could, we

3314
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:19,040
could have officers come in off the road

3315
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:22,319
to to do that. as staffing and turnover

3316
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,479
has been, we currently do not have those

3317
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:26,240
officers on the COP. We have one

3318
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:28,880
sergeant uh who was orchestrating all

3319
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:32,000
the events. Earlier this year and in my

3320
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:35,963
conversations with Bran was we are no

3321
02:28:35,963 --> 02:28:37,040
[clears throat] we have planned events

3322
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:38,880
that we have not announced. We are

3323
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:40,960
cancelling them. And so we've had events

3324
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:42,960
that we have cancelled this year or not

3325
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:45,280
announced that we had planned because we

3326
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:46,720
just do not have the staffing to

3327
02:28:46,720 --> 02:28:49,840
continue to pull from the patrol pull

3328
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,399
from detectives to be at these events.

3329
02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:55,200
We kept the big ones, our uh autism

3330
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:58,160
picnic, our national night out, uh those

3331
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:00,240
type of things. But as you remember, we

3332
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:01,520
were going to have a citizens academy

3333
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:04,160
that some of you were going to attend.

3334
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:06,319
We canled that. We were going to do that

3335
02:29:06,319 --> 02:29:08,399
in September.

3336
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:12,560
were not able to um it's just a manpower

3337
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,479
issue. And so that's where those

3338
02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:16,240
officers went and those that explains

3339
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:19,359
some of those. Was there any other ones?

3340
02:29:19,359 --> 02:29:21,439
>> No, that was that was as I say council

3341
02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:24,319
with Citizens Academy.

3342
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:26,479
I'm looking for a glass half full.

3343
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:30,080
You've been spared from getting tased.

3344
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:31,680
>> That's voluntary.

3345
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:34,240
>> That's volunteer. and having been having

3346
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:36,640
volunteered to be tased in my in the

3347
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:39,840
past. Um it's not I don't recommend it,

3348
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:42,080
but I don't regret doing it because it

3349
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:46,160
deterred me from a life of crime. So, um

3350
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:49,840
council, what I've talked a whole lot,

3351
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:51,760
what questions do you have as you listen

3352
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:54,880
to our residents speak this evening? Is

3353
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:56,319
there anything that you would like to

3354
02:29:56,319 --> 02:29:59,359
follow up with with staff or any

3355
02:29:59,359 --> 02:30:03,359
anything that you would like to share?

3356
02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:06,160
Um, Council Member Mikum.

3357
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:07,920
>> Well, I I do think because we got some

3358
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:10,560
comments on it that it is worth talking

3359
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:13,439
a little bit more about um why a special

3360
02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:15,120
revenue fund makes sense for public

3361
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:18,319
safety. Um, I had questions about this

3362
02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:23,280
early in the process as well and uh I

3363
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:25,200
um approached our fire chief and our

3364
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:28,080
police chief uh to try to understand uh

3365
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:31,359
if this made sense for them um and why

3366
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:33,840
it might make sense for them. Um and

3367
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:35,760
they both told me that this was

3368
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:39,040
important uh to them to guarantee more

3369
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:40,880
fiscal stability for their programs. But

3370
02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:43,520
I'm wondering if either of you ha have

3371
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,600
any additional comments as to why it

3372
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:47,359
makes sense from your perspective to

3373
02:30:47,359 --> 02:30:49,200
have that special revenue public safety

3374
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:50,960
fund.

3375
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:54,000
>> I'll go first. Um we at least know what

3376
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:55,920
the baseline is as to what our budget we

3377
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:57,840
are like Brandon says. We are always

3378
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:59,760
going to be dependent on sales tax and

3379
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:04,080
it is volatile and so at least you as

3380
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:06,319
citizens know that 100% of your sales

3381
02:31:06,319 --> 02:31:10,000
tax is going towards essential services.

3382
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:14,720
Um, as did I say that wrong?

3383
02:31:14,720 --> 02:31:17,520
>> Property tax. My my bad. 100% of your

3384
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:22,080
property tax is going to public safety.

3385
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:24,240
Um, which will always have to be

3386
02:31:24,240 --> 02:31:26,399
supplemented because it's not enough.

3387
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,240
And so

3388
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:30,800
what we're paying in property taxes is

3389
02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:32,960
not enough to provide the essential

3390
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:38,550
services of the city.

3391
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:42,469
Could

3392
02:31:42,479 --> 02:31:45,359
I add a Could could I Well, Go ahead,

3393
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:46,800
Chief.

3394
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:48,800
>> Well, for everybody that knows me in

3395
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:50,479
this room,

3396
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:52,880
I've never sat quiet for 2 hours and 34

3397
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:55,120
minutes in the history of my career. So,

3398
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:56,479
thank you for providing me the

3399
02:31:56,479 --> 02:32:01,200
opportunity just to recognize that the biggest point I want to make is that

3400
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:03,120
I want to assure the residents that with

3401
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:04,960
this fund, it definitely identifies the

3402
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:09,120
public safety revenue, the the money we

3403
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:12,880
spend, but I want to assure everyone

3404
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:15,600
that when the time comes that there's a

3405
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:18,080
need for reduction in all of our budgets

3406
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:22,000
to meet a fidiciary responsibility,

3407
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,720
public safety is going to do our job to

3408
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:26,720
look at where we can cut expenses to

3409
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,880
meet our needs while trying to provide

3410
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:31,600
the highest level of service possible.

3411
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:34,319
So that's the value I see in it. So

3412
02:32:34,319 --> 02:32:38,399
thank you for allowing me to speak.

3413
02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:41,680
>> All right. Um did you have council

3414
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:44,319
member Lamson then council member Gail?

3415
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:48,080
just just to reiterate the the fact that

3416
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,840
you know those instances and and we've

3417
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:54,319
been very blessed with as you said we're

3418
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:56,160
the king of sales tax. I think that was

3419
02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:59,680
your line. Uh but but that's been we've

3420
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:03,840
been seeing that decrease and

3421
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,800
the the concern in my mind is if we run

3422
02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:09,040
into a situation where the bottom drops

3423
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:11,200
out of the economy

3424
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:13,760
and we haven't done something to protect

3425
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:17,280
that baseline of public safety.

3426
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,359
That's concerning.

3427
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:21,600
So just to to reemphasize the point that

3428
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:25,429
you've very well made.

3429
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:27,600
» All right. Um, Council Member Gail, and

3430
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:31,120
then did did you say that? Okay,

3431
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:32,399
>> we're doing questions now. Yes.

3432
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:34,080
>> Yeah, this is questions. Yeah.

3433
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:36,160
>> Um, I I appreciate all the comments that

3434
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:37,840
have been made today. I think you raised

3435
02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:39,280
very good, thoughtful questions that

3436
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:42,399
deserve to be answered. Um, I think uh

3437
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:45,840
from Mr. BB had seven questions. I

3438
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:46,960
thought that was great. He outlined them

3439
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:48,240
all. I think a lot of your comments

3440
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:49,520
earlier today probably speak to that.

3441
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:50,640
So, he can go back and watch that

3442
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:53,200
section. That will help. Um, but I saw

3443
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:55,280
two themes sort of emerge and so I think

3444
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:57,600
if we could have staff help answer these

3445
02:33:57,600 --> 02:33:58,880
two questions that would be helpful for

3446
02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:01,439
our residents. Uh, the first question is

3447
02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:04,080
um, can you find money elsewhere? Have

3448
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:05,439
you looked at what you can cut? And I

3449
02:34:05,439 --> 02:34:07,040
think Mayor Young pointed out um,

3450
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,560
beautifully that after economizing and

3451
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:09,600
getting grants, they haven't had to

3452
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:11,439
raise taxes in, you know, four to five

3453
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:14,240
years, what, however long it's been. Um,

3454
02:34:14,240 --> 02:34:15,680
what is left to cut? Have you looked at

3455
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:16,880
that? Can you walk us through that

3456
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:18,880
process? What does that look like?

3457
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:24,630
That's my first question.

3458
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:27,439
I think uh it might be good to have uh

3459
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:29,760
our deputy city manager Carrie uh

3460
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:31,920
explain some additional cuts and and

3461
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:34,479
restructuring. I would say we have

3462
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:38,720
maintained cuts of the past for one. Um,

3463
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:41,920
and then in terms of uh funding

3464
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:45,280
alternatives, I just quickly listed out

3465
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:48,319
um over a half a dozen grants that we

3466
02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:52,640
have gone after. Um, and some of these

3467
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:54,560
we have applied for them and haven't

3468
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:57,439
heard back yet if if we'd be awarded

3469
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,600
with them. So, we applied for a a

3470
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:03,040
federal grant for $1.1 million for

3471
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:05,760
breathing apparatuses for firefighters,

3472
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:09,200
another $1.3 million for uh additional

3473
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:10,800
firefighters.

3474
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:13,359
Um, we did apply for a cops grant, but

3475
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:15,760
as chief said, uh we did not get awarded

3476
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:19,680
that. Um, we even applied for a $10,000

3477
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:22,640
grant uh to Firehouse Subs to help us

3478
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:26,720
equip um uh our firefighters.

3479
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:29,760
Um, we did receive a federal grant for

3480
02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:32,560
$1 million for our sewer treatment

3481
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:37,920
plant. Um, we uh we received uh uh

3482
02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:39,920
verbal commitment from the county for

3483
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:43,200
$1.5 million for regional trail safety

3484
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:44,800
improvements.

3485
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:47,280
and uh we are in discussions with the

3486
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:51,120
county for uh to capture more dollars uh

3487
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:53,760
more transient room tax or hotel and

3488
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:57,280
restaurant taxes uh to go towards um

3489
02:35:57,280 --> 02:36:06,000
some uh parks and and recreation uh type uses. So, uh there there are

3490
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:09,760
currently probably more grant andor

3491
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:12,960
state and federal uh funds for parks,

3492
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:16,000
open space, trails, water right now than

3493
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:18,800
there is uh for public safety other than

3494
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:21,600
the ones that I I listed off there.

3495
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:23,600
Carrie,

3496
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:25,439
>> thank you, Mayor Council. I just wanted

3497
02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:27,359
to mention that and give a shout out to

3498
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:29,359
Mayor Young. I appreciated his comments

3499
02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:32,319
tonight. When he first became mayor, one

3500
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:34,640
of the first meetings that I attended,

3501
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:38,160
he asked us if there was any way to

3502
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:39,840
prove that we were being fiscally

3503
02:36:39,840 --> 02:36:43,120
responsible. And so we came up with the

3504
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:46,800
idea to uh partner with MGT to do an

3505
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:48,880
efficiency study, the first of its kind

3506
02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:51,520
in the state of Utah, where they dove

3507
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:54,640
into everything outside of sworn

3508
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:57,120
officers and sworn firefighters. every

3509
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:59,680
department in the city was looked at uh

3510
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:05,040
seriously for staffing and for other ways that we could save more

3511
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:08,720
money. And um once we got the study

3512
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:10,960
back, we implemented every single one of

3513
02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:13,359
their suggestions. And one of the things

3514
02:37:13,359 --> 02:37:15,840
that the study came out was that we were

3515
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:18,960
very lean compared to our sister cities.

3516
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:21,680
And so that was really good to see. But

3517
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:23,439
in addition to that, every time we have

3518
02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:25,680
a vacancy, as you know, personnel is one

3519
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:27,520
of our largest costs here in the city.

3520
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,200
But anytime we have a vacancy in the

3521
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:32,160
city, we look at that position every

3522
02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:33,920
single time to see if there is a

3523
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:36,080
different way that we can use those

3524
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,479
funding sources to help provide better

3525
02:37:38,479 --> 02:37:40,240
services to the community or to save

3526
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:42,720
money. So, as an example, uh city

3527
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:44,880
manager Brenby mentioned uh risk

3528
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,800
management. Recently, our risk manager

3529
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:50,319
resigned and instead of just hiring

3530
02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:52,960
another risk manager, we decided to try

3531
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:55,040
a committee of people that already have

3532
02:37:55,040 --> 02:38:00,160
other workloads here in the city and we use a committee to be the risk

3533
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:01,920
managers instead of having that

3534
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:04,160
position. So, there's lots of ways that

3535
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,640
we're uh trying to be as fiscally

3536
02:38:06,640 --> 02:38:09,359
responsible to the residents as we can.

3537
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:13,280
Um but we have done those efficiencies

3538
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:17,200
every time and um so that we can prove

3539
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,280
to everybody that we are as lean as we

3540
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:21,680
can be.

3541
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:23,200
>> Thank you. Oh

3542
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:25,359
>> I would just add that I made the comment

3543
02:38:25,359 --> 02:38:28,000
of you know Oram Police Department does

3544
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,399
more with less. That's not unique to

3545
02:38:30,399 --> 02:38:32,000
just the police department. That's to

3546
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:34,479
every one of these departments uh in the

3547
02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:38,319
city and what makes ORM the place where

3548
02:38:38,319 --> 02:38:41,280
you want to live, work and play. And so

3549
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:43,840
that's not unique to just me and my

3550
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:46,399
department or Mark in his department.

3551
02:38:46,399 --> 02:38:49,040
That's every one of these people that

3552
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,600
work for the city share in that same

3553
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:53,760
culture.

3554
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:56,160
>> And I can attest to that. I feel like we

3555
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:57,600
need to start making a tally mark every

3556
02:38:57,600 --> 02:38:59,200
time I hear somebody one of our staff

3557
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:00,800
say we do more with less in ORM. I

3558
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,000
really believe they do. They they don't

3559
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:03,600
just, you know, like raise taxes is

3560
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:05,040
never the option that they go with. Not

3561
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:08,240
ever. So, um I I I guess my point is

3562
02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:09,439
that I don't think this is something we

3563
02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:10,800
take lightly. I think you've done your

3564
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:11,920
homework and you're you've cut

3565
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:13,520
everywhere you can cut and I and I

3566
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:15,520
appreciate that. Um my next question I

3567
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:18,880
think surfaced tonight was um can can we

3568
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:20,479
fund this from something other than

3569
02:39:20,479 --> 02:39:22,399
property taxes? That came up several

3570
02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:23,760
times. I mean, can can we fund it with

3571
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,040
sales tax? Can we fund it with I don't

3572
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:26,479
know what, but but what what would you

3573
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:28,720
say to that question?

3574
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:32,960
Um so so many of the items mentioned um

3575
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:35,840
go against our budgeting principles of

3576
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:37,920
using one-time

3577
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:42,720
surplus dollars to fund an ongoing

3578
02:39:42,720 --> 02:39:45,280
expense. [snorts] What does that lead

3579
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:47,120
to?

3580
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:49,920
Not good things. Maybe a $40 trillion

3581
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:52,319
debt for instance.

3582
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:55,200
Um so we try to avoid that if at all

3583
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:58,560
possible. Um, and

3584
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:00,000
some people say, "Well, I don't need a

3585
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,160
playground." Other people do need a

3586
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:04,080
playground. They do want a playground.

3587
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:07,120
Some people don't want a library or as

3588
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:09,760
robust a library they say and some

3589
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:12,720
people do. So, we struggle with all of

3590
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,960
those things and and determine all of,

3591
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:16,720
you know, where do those funds need to

3592
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:20,640
go? Where can we identify funds that

3593
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:23,120
match what it is we're trying to do?

3594
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:25,680
We're trying to accomplish. Um, I

3595
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:30,240
mentioned sales tax. You know, funding just public safety in general

3596
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:33,120
from uh raises and benefits and

3597
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:36,319
retirement is a is a task every year.

3598
02:40:36,319 --> 02:40:40,479
Uh, and so where if sales taxes aren't

3599
02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:43,120
enough to cover that and that doesn't

3600
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:46,479
count the rest of the city, by the way,

3601
02:40:46,479 --> 02:40:48,800
where do those funds come from if sales

3602
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:51,840
tax isn't covering it? It's not, you

3603
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:53,359
know, we don't have, like, as I

3604
02:40:53,359 --> 02:40:56,160
mentioned, an exorbitant number of

3605
02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:59,280
different revenue paths to be able to

3606
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:03,200
take. So, that's the item I would I

3607
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:08,469
would say in response to that.

3608
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:10,240
All right. Any other questions? Council

3609
02:41:10,240 --> 02:41:13,280
member Muelling.

3610
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:16,240
Brandon, in one of the uh one of the

3611
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:19,520
commenters said something about creating

3612
02:41:19,520 --> 02:41:22,880
the pro uh the public safety fund

3613
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:25,920
created a false shortfall.

3614
02:41:25,920 --> 02:41:30,160
Do you have any comments on that? Um

3615
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,560
>> so so the bud the budgeting that will go

3616
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:35,359
on is no different whether they're

3617
02:41:35,359 --> 02:41:38,399
separate or together. we they'll both be

3618
02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:41,439
considered together in our evaluation of

3619
02:41:41,439 --> 02:41:45,680
what things we do and don't do and the

3620
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:47,920
amount that needs to be transferred to

3621
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:50,399
that public safety fund will be

3622
02:41:50,399 --> 02:41:52,399
determined at the very end once we've

3623
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:53,760
gone through all the motions of

3624
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:55,520
determining what is needed and what is

3625
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:59,359
not. So there's no um it no

3626
02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:01,760
determination upfront that oh yep this

3627
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:03,439
is what public safety asked for. They

3628
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:05,359
get it all. We fund that and then we

3629
02:42:05,359 --> 02:42:07,439
have to try to backfill in the general

3630
02:42:07,439 --> 02:42:10,160
fund what we need and andor the

3631
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:12,880
opposite. We fund the general fund and

3632
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:15,520
we leave the public safety fund uh short

3633
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:17,520
and so well of course we have to go out

3634
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:19,040
and ask for a property tax increase

3635
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:20,880
because they're short. That isn't how it

3636
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:23,439
works and that's not how it will work.

3637
02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:28,080
So going forward, it it it really has no

3638
02:42:28,080 --> 02:42:30,160
change other than to specifically

3639
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:33,760
identify what revenues public safety

3640
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:35,280
produces

3641
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:38,080
and and or what their bottom line looks

3642
02:42:38,080 --> 02:42:42,720
like easily. It's much more easily seen

3643
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,040
than buried, if you will, within the

3644
02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:48,630
general fund.

3645
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:51,200
» All right. Thank you. Um before before I

3646
02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:53,680
go, I just want to just say I council I

3647
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:55,920
don't think we're going to to end this

3648
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:58,880
meeting in the next 17 minutes. So what

3649
02:42:58,880 --> 02:43:00,720
I was just going to just give everyone a

3650
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,600
heads up that at 9:00 let's take like

3651
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:06,640
between a five and a 10 minute bio

3652
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:08,240
break.

3653
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:11,280
So So let's go till 9:00 and then we

3654
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:13,680
take a little break and then we'll let's

3655
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:15,359
what what the council you want five

3656
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:17,680
minutes 10 minutes?

3657
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:18,160
>> Five minutes.

3658
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:19,680
>> Five. Okay. Okay. So, like a 5m minute

3659
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:22,720
break and then at 9:05 we'll reconvene.

3660
02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:24,640
So, anyway, go ahead, Council Member

3661
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:25,760
Millet. Thank you.

3662
02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,840
>> Yeah. So, just remembering some of our

3663
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:29,840
presentations we've had in the past um

3664
02:43:29,840 --> 02:43:32,319
regarding this these trends for our

3665
02:43:32,319 --> 02:43:36,880
sales tax revenues. Um in my mind, for

3666
02:43:36,880 --> 02:43:38,720
some reason, I'm thinking we've had this

3667
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:43,279
4%. We had a bump after CO

3668
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:45,520
>> surprisingly, right? Everyone was like

3669
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:47,439
pleasantly pleased. We were all shopping

3670
02:43:47,439 --> 02:43:48,399
online, I guess.

3671
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:48,880
>> Yes.

3672
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:50,399
>> Buying more than we should cuz we were

3673
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:53,279
home with Amazon in front of us. But um

3674
02:43:53,279 --> 02:43:57,760
so then we um it seemed like we leveled

3675
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:00,319
off at 4%.

3676
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:02,319
>> Am I remembering that? Help me

3677
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:04,640
understand 20.

3678
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:07,279
>> So 2021,

3679
02:44:07,279 --> 02:44:11,439
fiscal 2021, it was an 18% increase.

3680
02:44:11,439 --> 02:44:15,840
Fiscal 2022 was a 13.5% increase. And

3681
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:17,840
then from that was the years I mentioned

3682
02:44:17,840 --> 02:44:23,120
where we had a.3% increase. 202 uh three

3683
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:26,560
four we actually had a decrease.

3684
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:31,439
2025 was a 3.1% increase.

3685
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:35,359
And then this last year was 2.3.

3686
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:38,389
>> 2.3.

3687
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:41,120
» Okay. What do what do you budget? What

3688
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:42,560
increase do you budget?

3689
02:44:42,560 --> 02:44:43,760
>> So do you project?

3690
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:45,439
>> You say I'm Yes. I'm having to guess

3691
02:44:45,439 --> 02:44:46,880
because I don't have all the information

3692
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:49,120
until for the full fiscal year until

3693
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:51,600
here in August to be honestly. So when

3694
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:55,680
I'm budgeting in uh March, I have many

3695
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:58,240
months I have to make a guess for. And

3696
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:01,200
so for the remainder of 2026, at the

3697
02:45:01,200 --> 02:45:03,840
time we budgeted, I guessed at 3%.

3698
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:04,479
>> Okay.

3699
02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:07,680
>> With a 3% increase for 2027.

3700
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:08,800
>> Okay.

3701
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:12,319
>> So as I mentioned, we came in at 2.3.

3702
02:45:12,319 --> 02:45:14,160
>> And those are those are final now. Those

3703
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:14,720
are final.

3704
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:15,520
>> Okay.

3705
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:19,200
>> So, in order to hit our 2027 sales tax

3706
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:22,080
revenue numbers, it now have to get to

3707
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:25,920
4%, not the 3% that I originally made an

3708
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:27,359
estimate for.

3709
02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:29,680
>> And I mean, we had some theories on

3710
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:32,080
those down years that people there

3711
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:35,120
weren't cars. I mean, we have a huge

3712
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:37,920
heart because we have these wonderful

3713
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:40,479
car dealerships, right? That that's a

3714
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:42,560
big chunk when a car is sold. Y

3715
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:45,120
>> so do you um for those few couple years

3716
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:48,000
that we had the deficits 23 24 still

3717
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:50,560
coming out of co no inventory you know

3718
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:52,080
right now they have tons of inventory

3719
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:54,319
and they're lowering prices I've heard

3720
02:45:54,319 --> 02:45:55,760
cuz I want to buy a car I'm waiting to

3721
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:59,520
see but um how what do you just kind of

3722
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:01,520
where do you think we are now? But what

3723
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:03,120
do you you know back then you said well

3724
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:04,560
it's probably the cars

3725
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,960
>> and construction

3726
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:07,600
>> of

3727
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:08,080
>> okay

3728
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:11,120
>> yeah so you know the RC willies the

3729
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:15,439
lumber yards the home depots etc uh we

3730
02:46:15,439 --> 02:46:18,560
building materials have uh sloughed off

3731
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:21,439
dramatically since uh during those time

3732
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,439
they've recovered a little as well as

3733
02:46:23,439 --> 02:46:25,760
you know cars have kind of fluctuated

3734
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:29,040
between used cars new cars um just

3735
02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,880
depending on how that market happens to

3736
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:33,920
be at the time. Um but they both are

3737
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:38,640
nowhere near the the preandemic level.

3738
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:41,840
Um more dollars have been going towards

3739
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:44,000
as we they've talked about inflation for

3740
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:47,279
instance. Um basics. So we haven't seen

3741
02:46:47,279 --> 02:46:50,080
that decline in our general merchandise

3742
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:53,279
uh category area. Um however maybe arts,

3743
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:57,040
crafts, hobbies you know unique area

3744
02:46:57,040 --> 02:47:01,040
that area is also um fallen off as well.

3745
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:03,680
Um so those are the main areas that have

3746
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:06,640
been uh clothing.

3747
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:10,000
>> Okay. When when um when you do your

3748
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:14,399
projections form specific do you look at

3749
02:47:14,399 --> 02:47:16,319
um for example I'm just looking up and

3750
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:17,600
down State Street. We're having some

3751
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:20,160
exciting things happening here. I'm

3752
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:22,560
seeing some remodels, some rebuilds,

3753
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:24,319
raising canes. We got this bank over

3754
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:26,479
here. We've got Apollo Burgers a

3755
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:29,439
complete rebuild. Um the Home Depot at

3756
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:31,200
University Place, the We went to the

3757
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:33,120
ribbon cutting yesterday for the

3758
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:34,960
Homebuilt store.

3759
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:38,319
>> Um do does do you get with our economic

3760
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:40,560
director? Do you talk about these new

3761
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,720
things that are coming or do you just do

3762
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:45,040
you use other metrics like um financial

3763
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:46,560
metrics?

3764
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,640
Um, so I'm I'm made well aware of those

3765
02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:51,760
in our exec staff meetings. Um, Gary

3766
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:56,080
outlines a lot of those. So I'm aware of, if you will, a material ones that

3767
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:58,640
might have some kind of an impact. I

3768
02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:00,319
mean, keeping in mind we have a sales

3769
02:48:00,319 --> 02:48:03,840
tax base of 33, you know, 33 million.

3770
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:07,439
Uh, Trader Joe's is great, but it

3771
02:48:07,439 --> 02:48:11,040
doesn't make a blip in that number. Um,

3772
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:12,960
>> well, I am trying to get the In and Out

3773
02:48:12,960 --> 02:48:14,240
by the home bill. In and Out would

3774
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:14,640
probably be

3775
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:17,439
>> I'm still I'm still playing that song.

3776
02:48:17,439 --> 02:48:20,160
>> So, I I don't want to downplay. They're

3777
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:24,160
all important. Every one of them, but it

3778
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:27,760
takes all of them to keep sales tax

3779
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:31,279
going forward. Um and so yes, I am aware

3780
02:48:31,279 --> 02:48:33,840
of those and you know I try to take that

3781
02:48:33,840 --> 02:48:38,240
into account as I'm making um you know

3782
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:40,560
based on and we we get a report an

3783
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:44,160
economic report from um a company that

3784
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:47,279
tracks um various entities um sales

3785
02:48:47,279 --> 02:48:50,160
taxes and so I also am looking at those

3786
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:52,160
entities and you know how are they doing

3787
02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:54,560
as the year goes along um because you

3788
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,880
know sometimes that's beneficial to us

3789
02:48:56,880 --> 02:48:59,680
and other times it's an indic indicator.

3790
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:02,160
You know, when when Saratoga Springs is

3791
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:03,840
going crazy from a percentage

3792
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:05,520
standpoint, I can't really take that

3793
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:07,200
into account because that's a

3794
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:09,359
significantly different and it's far

3795
02:49:09,359 --> 02:49:11,920
enough away, but it does impact the worm

3796
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:14,640
to some degree. If they're growing that

3797
02:49:14,640 --> 02:49:16,479
and they get certain businesses out

3798
02:49:16,479 --> 02:49:18,080
there, that means they may not be coming

3799
02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:20,640
here any longer, right? So, so that does

3800
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:23,200
go into that thought. Um, so there are

3801
02:49:23,200 --> 02:49:25,600
some elements that go into that and and

3802
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:27,600
certainly as as Garrett and I get more

3803
02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:29,359
acquainted with each other. I I hope

3804
02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:32,880
that we can both develop that um in a in

3805
02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:35,600
a maybe a slightly um more clear

3806
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:36,240
picture.

3807
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:37,840
>> Yeah, cuz that would be exciting, right?

3808
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:39,520
If we cuz I know you're pretty good at

3809
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:41,920
your projections. Um people call them

3810
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:43,200
guesses, but I think you're pretty

3811
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:45,439
skilled at that. Um, so that would be

3812
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:47,520
pretty pretty exciting if we can get

3813
02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:49,120
that economic development director

3814
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:50,880
predictions along with your financial

3815
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:53,200
predictions and and use that for our

3816
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:55,120
budgeting. But moving forward, for sure,

3817
02:49:55,120 --> 02:49:56,640
>> I can see that being a definite plus,

3818
02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:57,920
but okay. Thank you. Thanks,

3819
02:49:57,920 --> 02:49:59,920
>> Brandon.

3820
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:01,920
>> Thank you, council. As you look at and

3821
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:06,000
recall, is there anything else that you would like to ask that was on

3822
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,760
behalf of what what we heard from the

3823
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:10,319
residents? All right. Thank you, Council

3824
02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:11,520
Member Lamson.

3825
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:13,600
>> There was a question uh brought up.

3826
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:16,000
We've heard a lot about UVU, uh, Utah

3827
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:19,600
Valley University, and the impact that

3828
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:24,640
people coming there to go to school and work. Um, I don't know how large

3829
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:26,319
their employment force is or how that

3830
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:29,040
affects things, but I wondering if you

3831
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:33,920
could address that, how that campus with

3832
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:36,160
people coming and going, some stay here,

3833
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:38,560
some go to other places, uh, how that

3834
02:50:38,560 --> 02:50:40,479
affects

3835
02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:44,160
what what we're looking at. Um so they

3836
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:45,920
do have their own police department. So

3837
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:48,319
any crime or anything like that that

3838
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:51,439
occurs on campus um UVU police

3839
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:53,359
department will take and investigate and

3840
02:50:53,359 --> 02:50:56,880
respond to that. Um we respond to back

3841
02:50:56,880 --> 02:51:01,439
them up uh on higher priority incidents.

3842
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:04,880
Um the obviously the September 10th,

3843
02:51:04,880 --> 02:51:06,640
2025

3844
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:09,680
um incident um we were heavily involved

3845
02:51:09,680 --> 02:51:14,560
in that. Um, and that is a mutual aid.

3846
02:51:14,560 --> 02:51:16,640
Um,

3847
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:19,040
the four days that our officers were

3848
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:23,359
there, um, that was us, um, being paid

3849
02:51:23,359 --> 02:51:25,600
for by us. Now, when they have special

3850
02:51:25,600 --> 02:51:28,960
events that are planned or, you know, in

3851
02:51:28,960 --> 02:51:30,560
the in the weeks and months following

3852
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:34,080
that where they they paid for our

3853
02:51:34,080 --> 02:51:37,359
officers overtime. Uh and that's why

3854
02:51:37,359 --> 02:51:39,200
that number was as high as it was last

3855
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:41,680
year was on top of that they also paid

3856
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,960
for officers around the state to pay. It

3857
02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:47,279
wasn't just ORUM officers that were

3858
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:50,240
there to help support that but it was

3859
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:54,240
you know UHP Provo everybody. And so

3860
02:51:54,240 --> 02:51:57,439
that was a significant need and ORMPD

3861
02:51:57,439 --> 02:52:01,680
shouldered a I would say um

3862
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:05,120
our share and then some um far as

3863
02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:08,880
helping out. Why? Cuz they're in our

3864
02:52:08,880 --> 02:52:11,680
city.

3865
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:14,960
We have a large university that is on

3866
02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:19,359
our city and we are going to help. Um

3867
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:23,920
traffic is you know if if is heavy in

3868
02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:26,800
there uh obviously and around campus. Uh

3869
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:28,399
I would also say that the question

3870
02:52:28,399 --> 02:52:31,520
wasn't asked but as vineyard grows how

3871
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:33,840
do people get to vineyard

3872
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:37,349
through our city

3873
02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:39,439
who commits you know everybody can

3874
02:52:39,439 --> 02:52:42,399
commit a crime no matter where but as

3875
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:46,399
populations grow around us and increase

3876
02:52:46,399 --> 02:52:50,240
our our needs and our ability to serve

3877
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:53,520
uh are impacted by those those needs or

3878
02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:57,680
by those increases. So, um, that's how

3879
02:52:57,680 --> 02:52:59,439
I'd answer that question. Did that

3880
02:52:59,439 --> 02:53:01,920
answer it enough?

3881
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:03,439
>> Yes, thank you. I I was just curious

3882
02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:06,080
what that and and thank you for

3883
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:07,520
responding to that because yeah, I think

3884
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:09,359
that that influx of people coming and

3885
02:53:09,359 --> 02:53:11,040
going, it's increased traffic. It's

3886
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,840
increased people interacting with each

3887
02:53:13,840 --> 02:53:15,200
other, which most of the time is great,

3888
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:17,520
but sometimes not so great, and

3889
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:19,680
opportunities for kurfuffle here and

3890
02:53:19,680 --> 02:53:24,630
there. So,

3891
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:26,479
All right. Council um council member

3892
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:27,520
Kilpac ju

3893
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:30,080
>> just to follow up on that. UVU, is there

3894
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:32,319
anything coming in from the university

3895
02:53:32,319 --> 02:53:36,160
for for their um requirement to be in

3896
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:38,880
our city and any revenue coming into the

3897
02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:42,160
city for what they do or impact us

3898
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:44,720
through all of those either fire,

3899
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:48,950
police, any of those? Bren,

3900
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:50,880
uh, I mean,

3901
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:52,479
Chief Sanderson can speak to if we've

3902
02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:54,319
got any sort of contractual relationship

3903
02:53:54,319 --> 02:53:57,600
with UEU as it relates to fire. Um, uh,

3904
02:53:57,600 --> 02:53:59,840
so, and

3905
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:02,160
Chief Robinson spoke to if if there are

3906
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:04,560
events, they'll pay us for for that type

3907
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:08,960
of thing. Um, we we get no

3908
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:11,200
tax revenue that goes through UVU and

3909
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:17,120
then is directed to ORM city. Um

3910
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:19,600
uh

3911
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:22,800
yeah. Now that being said, they do have

3912
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:25,200
a lot of of

3913
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:29,520
um employees and I would say uh you know

3914
02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:33,760
a lot of uh higher paying jobs uh work

3915
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:38,319
at UVU. And so now uh from our salaries

3916
02:54:38,319 --> 02:54:41,840
uh income tax is charged.

3917
02:54:41,840 --> 02:54:44,640
cities don't get income tax directly.

3918
02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:47,840
But of course, if we bring in pe uh more

3919
02:54:47,840 --> 02:54:52,080
jobs into the city and um then those

3920
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:55,680
people spend their dollars uh and then

3921
02:54:55,680 --> 02:54:58,399
we would uh get uh help through sales

3922
02:54:58,399 --> 02:55:03,600
tax in in that scenario. Um yeah, Chief

3923
02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:06,000
Sanderson, anything in in terms of

3924
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:07,920
contractual revenue relationship? I was

3925
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:11,120
just going to add that we uh want to be

3926
02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:13,680
a really good partner and so we staff

3927
02:55:13,680 --> 02:55:15,040
all of their events different like the

3928
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:16,160
police department. They don't have their

3929
02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:18,319
own fire department. So increase in

3930
02:55:18,319 --> 02:55:20,319
population is an increase of call volume

3931
02:55:20,319 --> 02:55:23,040
that we take care of which puts puts a

3932
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:26,319
burden on our services. However, in that

3933
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:29,600
good partnership, we we just cover our

3934
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:33,120
employee wages and compensation. Um it

3935
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:34,720
doesn't cost us anything to provide that

3936
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:37,200
level of service. It's but it doesn't

3937
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:40,080
really make us any additional money.

3938
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:41,600
>> I think some of the citizens who had

3939
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:43,040
those comments or questions about the

3940
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,880
impact of UVU, they were wondering if

3941
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:46,560
there's a revenue source that comes into

3942
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:48,160
the city. And I just wanted to make sure

3943
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:50,560
that we all as a community understand

3944
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:52,800
that that role of what the UVU does.

3945
02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:54,399
It's not impacting us financially

3946
02:55:54,399 --> 02:55:56,640
positively, but yet it's a good

3947
02:55:56,640 --> 02:55:58,960
community blessing to be in our area

3948
02:55:58,960 --> 02:56:01,040
because of, you know, sales tax, other

3949
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:02,640
things people come into the city for.

3950
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:03,040
Thank you.

3951
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:05,600
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, as Bren mentioned,

3952
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:07,520
the sales tax component. They they still

3953
02:56:07,520 --> 02:56:08,880
have to charge sales tax at their

3954
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:10,960
cafeteria. So, I mean, if you want to

3955
02:56:10,960 --> 02:56:12,960
indicate that, and the surrounding

3956
02:56:12,960 --> 02:56:15,760
restaurants, right? And certainly they

3957
02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:17,680
probably uh since many of them do live

3958
02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:20,319
here, um you know, they they go up to

3959
02:56:20,319 --> 02:56:21,920
the mall and spend their money there,

3960
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:28,150
but it's primarily sales tax based.

3961
02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:30,240
All right. Anything else for right now

3962
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:31,600
or should we take our five-minut break

3963
02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:33,600
right now? take our five minute break

3964
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:36,160
and counsel when we come back. It's time

3965
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:37,920
to [gasps]

3966
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:41,200
it's time to work toward making a a

3967
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:42,960
decision and taking a vote. I know we're

3968
02:56:42,960 --> 02:56:44,160
working on that now, but we're going to

3969
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:47,040
have to I think redouble our efforts now

3970
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:50,960
and and just figure out what we want to

3971
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:53,520
do. So, we will meet back here, let's

3972
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:57,760
say between 9 and 5 after.

3973
02:56:57,760 --> 03:08:31,510
And so, we'll see you in a few minutes.

3974
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:44,150
All

3975
03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:52,960
right, my friends, it's time. Let's go ahead and continue

3976
03:08:52,960 --> 03:08:55,279
and enter into the next part of the

3977
03:08:55,279 --> 03:08:58,080
meeting, which this is in my my world is

3978
03:08:58,080 --> 03:09:01,680
we've asked questions. It's time now

3979
03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:04,880
for I think for the city council to

3980
03:09:04,880 --> 03:09:07,520
embark in its discussion about what what

3981
03:09:07,520 --> 03:09:09,840
we have heard this evening the research

3982
03:09:09,840 --> 03:09:11,920
we have done I know we've spent a lot of

3983
03:09:11,920 --> 03:09:14,240
time on this and asked a lot of

3984
03:09:14,240 --> 03:09:19,040
questions met with staff and so

3985
03:09:19,040 --> 03:09:23,040
who would like to lead out oh council

3986
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:24,640
member Mikum would like to lead out the

3987
03:09:24,640 --> 03:09:27,439
discussion

3988
03:09:27,439 --> 03:09:31,439
>> uh well I'm open to anyone leading But

3989
03:09:31,439 --> 03:09:33,920
um I I guess I just had a couple of

3990
03:09:33,920 --> 03:09:36,479
quick reflections. First is this is the

3991
03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:39,279
best conversation we've had all year. Uh

3992
03:09:39,279 --> 03:09:41,120
I just think this has been enormously

3993
03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:42,720
rich. I think the questions have been

3994
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:45,520
great. I think uh the level of

3995
03:09:45,520 --> 03:09:47,040
involvement from a wide variety of

3996
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:48,800
people has been great. I think

3997
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:51,439
everybody's tried to be civil and

3998
03:09:51,439 --> 03:09:54,800
generous with each other. And uh that's

3999
03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:56,399
really important to me. It's important

4000
03:09:56,399 --> 03:10:00,160
to me that we have great uh processes,

4001
03:10:00,160 --> 03:10:01,920
transparent processes with lots of

4002
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:04,240
public participation. So, I I just want

4003
03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:06,720
to say thank you to everybody who's made

4004
03:10:06,720 --> 03:10:10,240
that conversation rich and meaningful.

4005
03:10:10,240 --> 03:10:12,160
And I've learned a lot in the process.

4006
03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:14,000
Uh this is my first year on city

4007
03:10:14,000 --> 03:10:16,800
council. Uh as a result, I've learned a

4008
03:10:16,800 --> 03:10:20,800
lot this year about ORM city finances.

4009
03:10:20,800 --> 03:10:25,680
Um and um a lot of that has been really

4010
03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:28,399
good news. Um I think we've done a

4011
03:10:28,399 --> 03:10:30,160
really great job of being fiscally

4012
03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:32,640
responsible for a long time and I'm

4013
03:10:32,640 --> 03:10:35,279
grateful for that. I I'm also concerned

4014
03:10:35,279 --> 03:10:36,800
the more I've learned that I'm I'm

4015
03:10:36,800 --> 03:10:38,880
concerned that we do have some existing

4016
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:40,800
vulnerabilities

4017
03:10:40,800 --> 03:10:46,479
um and um that that dependence on the

4018
03:10:46,479 --> 03:10:49,840
highly uh fluctuating sales tax is is

4019
03:10:49,840 --> 03:10:54,000
still a concern um for me. Um Mayor,

4020
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:55,279
I'll just share a few things that are

4021
03:10:55,279 --> 03:10:57,279
important to me as I think about uh this

4022
03:10:57,279 --> 03:11:00,319
decision and and u share that with the

4023
03:11:00,319 --> 03:11:02,000
council as well as those those in the

4024
03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:04,880
room. uh

4025
03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:08,880
having a a lean budget, low taxes,

4026
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:11,600
making tough choices, um looking at

4027
03:11:11,600 --> 03:11:14,800
every option, looking for cuts, looking

4028
03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:16,960
for grants, looking for efficiencies.

4029
03:11:16,960 --> 03:11:20,560
That's really important to me. Um I want

4030
03:11:20,560 --> 03:11:24,640
uh people who live in ORM to bear u one

4031
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:27,520
of the lowest tax burdens uh anywhere in

4032
03:11:27,520 --> 03:11:30,319
the county, in the state. Uh I'm really

4033
03:11:30,319 --> 03:11:34,399
proud that we do that. Um it's a result

4034
03:11:34,399 --> 03:11:36,720
of a lot of decisions over a long period

4035
03:11:36,720 --> 03:11:38,560
of time. It's also a result of the fact

4036
03:11:38,560 --> 03:11:41,439
that we do have good uh sales tax

4037
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:43,359
revenues which also come from

4038
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:44,720
development decisions that have been

4039
03:11:44,720 --> 03:11:47,359
made in the past.

4040
03:11:47,359 --> 03:11:49,040
So, you know, with respect to our

4041
03:11:49,040 --> 03:11:51,279
comparable cities, uh I'm I'm really

4042
03:11:51,279 --> 03:11:54,160
proud of the fact that we um are the

4043
03:11:54,160 --> 03:11:57,040
lowest or uh one of the lowest depending

4044
03:11:57,040 --> 03:11:59,760
on um what metric we're looking at in

4045
03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:03,279
any given time. Um I I worry a lot about

4046
03:12:03,279 --> 03:12:06,080
inflation. So, uh as was mentioned

4047
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:08,240
tonight,

4048
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:11,680
uh our tax rate keeps going down um and

4049
03:12:11,680 --> 03:12:13,120
inflation keeps going up. particularly

4050
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:14,479
in the last couple of years, we've just

4051
03:12:14,479 --> 03:12:17,200
had enormous inflation in terms of fuel

4052
03:12:17,200 --> 03:12:19,760
and um a lot of the things associated

4053
03:12:19,760 --> 03:12:23,120
with our public safety. Um I I've had

4054
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:25,359
the chance now to listen to two or three

4055
03:12:25,359 --> 03:12:26,640
different presentations from our

4056
03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:29,439
financial adviserss as a city. Um and

4057
03:12:29,439 --> 03:12:32,560
they continue to tell us that

4058
03:12:32,560 --> 03:12:35,920
um we have some vulnerabilities if we

4059
03:12:35,920 --> 03:12:39,359
don't consider u at least trying to

4060
03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:40,883
match inflation

4061
03:12:40,883 --> 03:12:40,960
>> [clears throat]

4062
03:12:40,960 --> 03:12:42,560
>> um with the the revenues that we're

4063
03:12:42,560 --> 03:12:46,880
bringing in. Um I care a lot about value

4064
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:50,479
per tax dollar. So uh I care about

4065
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:52,800
having low taxes, but I also really care

4066
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,880
that our taxes buy us really good

4067
03:12:54,880 --> 03:12:58,880
things. uh the bias grade public safety

4068
03:12:58,880 --> 03:13:01,120
um the best officers we can get, fire

4069
03:13:01,120 --> 03:13:03,439
and police. Uh I want us to have a great

4070
03:13:03,439 --> 03:13:05,120
library. I want us to have great parks.

4071
03:13:05,120 --> 03:13:08,479
I really um am proud of what ORM does in

4072
03:13:08,479 --> 03:13:11,014
terms of value per dollar. And

4073
03:13:11,014 --> 03:13:13,520
[clears throat] I think as as one of our

4074
03:13:13,520 --> 03:13:17,359
speakers earlier said, u my family has

4075
03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:20,960
just benefited enormously from uh you

4076
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:23,840
know, spending very very little uh

4077
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:26,720
living here. um and having really quite

4078
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:30,880
remarkable services to show for it. Um

4079
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:33,359
as I mentioned, I I I did have some

4080
03:13:33,359 --> 03:13:36,640
questions about the structure of this um

4081
03:13:36,640 --> 03:13:38,960
and the creation of that special revenue

4082
03:13:38,960 --> 03:13:42,399
fund. Um I do trust our police and fire

4083
03:13:42,399 --> 03:13:43,600
departments. they've earned that trust

4084
03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:45,680
and I just think that that they are very

4085
03:13:45,680 --> 03:13:48,800
thoughtful uh about uh how they spend

4086
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:52,960
their money and I want to to rate that

4087
03:13:52,960 --> 03:13:56,479
fund uh in order uh to show support for

4088
03:13:56,479 --> 03:13:58,000
their needs and to provide them with

4089
03:13:58,000 --> 03:14:00,640
some some guaranteed funding uh over

4090
03:14:00,640 --> 03:14:06,640
time. Um I uh I'm also really concerned

4091
03:14:06,640 --> 03:14:10,160
about our most vulnerable residents. So

4092
03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:11,680
this came up a couple of times. We

4093
03:14:11,680 --> 03:14:14,160
haven't talked too much about it, but we

4094
03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:16,080
do have people on fixed incomes. We do

4095
03:14:16,080 --> 03:14:19,840
have people um for whom even a small

4096
03:14:19,840 --> 03:14:21,600
property tax like the one that's being

4097
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:25,200
proposed uh could have disproportionate

4098
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:28,960
impact. Um and so personally, it's just

4099
03:14:28,960 --> 03:14:31,200
really important to me that those who

4100
03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:33,840
find themselves in that situation have

4101
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:35,359
avenues

4102
03:14:35,359 --> 03:14:37,920
uh in order to receive support and a

4103
03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:41,760
break from that. And I know that um Utah

4104
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:44,319
County and the state of Utah have a

4105
03:14:44,319 --> 03:14:46,640
number of programs that offer uh

4106
03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:49,920
property tax relief or abatement um that

4107
03:14:49,920 --> 03:14:52,800
we've been able to post on our website

4108
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:54,800
as well. Uh one of them is the circuit

4109
03:14:54,800 --> 03:14:56,720
breaker program.

4110
03:14:56,720 --> 03:14:58,319
There's also property tax deferral.

4111
03:14:58,319 --> 03:15:00,800
There's a quite quite a range of things

4112
03:15:00,800 --> 03:15:02,319
that those who are particularly

4113
03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:04,800
vulnerable can apply for that would

4114
03:15:04,800 --> 03:15:07,439
either eliminate the impact of this tax

4115
03:15:07,439 --> 03:15:09,840
uh or significantly reduce it. And I

4116
03:15:09,840 --> 03:15:11,359
just want to make sure that we do

4117
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:13,120
everything we can to be sensitive to

4118
03:15:13,120 --> 03:15:15,920
those u who are disproportionately

4119
03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:18,000
impacted by any any tax increase,

4120
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:19,439
whether it be this property tax increase

4121
03:15:19,439 --> 03:15:22,479
or a rate increase. Um that's that's

4122
03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:24,319
important to me. So, those are some of

4123
03:15:24,319 --> 03:15:25,600
the things that I I've been thinking

4124
03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:28,000
about as I've tried to figure out how to

4125
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:31,040
vote. And I I just want to express that

4126
03:15:31,040 --> 03:15:32,960
I've learned so much from the thoughtful

4127
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:36,160
and articulate questions uh and concerns

4128
03:15:36,160 --> 03:15:38,160
that have been raised. Uh this is this

4129
03:15:38,160 --> 03:15:40,880
is a policy decision on which I think

4130
03:15:40,880 --> 03:15:43,439
reasonable people can disagree and I've

4131
03:15:43,439 --> 03:15:45,520
heard a lot of reasonable people uh

4132
03:15:45,520 --> 03:15:47,520
tonight uh with different opinions and

4133
03:15:47,520 --> 03:15:50,560
so thank you for sharing those.

4134
03:15:50,560 --> 03:15:52,640
>> Thank you.

4135
03:15:52,640 --> 03:15:54,880
Anyone else want to say anything?

4136
03:15:54,880 --> 03:15:58,080
Council member Gail.

4137
03:15:58,080 --> 03:15:59,840
>> Um I I just want to echo everything

4138
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:01,200
Quinn said. In fact, he said it better

4139
03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:03,439
than I ever could. But um I do want to

4140
03:16:03,439 --> 03:16:05,120
point out this this you can't see it

4141
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:06,000
from where you're sitting, but this

4142
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:07,760
chart is on our website here and it

4143
03:16:07,760 --> 03:16:11,439
shows um ORM's taxes compared to every

4144
03:16:11,439 --> 03:16:14,239
other to like 18 other cities in Utah.

4145
03:16:14,239 --> 03:16:17,200
Um many of them are similar sized and

4146
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:19,359
then our sister cities surrounding us.

4147
03:16:19,359 --> 03:16:23,359
And of the 18 cities, ORM is the lowest

4148
03:16:23,359 --> 03:16:25,600
taxing entity and that is including this

4149
03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:27,760
property tax increase. So ORM still

4150
03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:30,080
remains the lowest at that level. Um and

4151
03:16:30,080 --> 03:16:32,000
I think the city has a long history of

4152
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:33,439
fiscal responsibility. I think Mayor

4153
03:16:33,439 --> 03:16:34,960
Young emphasized that. I know Mayor

4154
03:16:34,960 --> 03:16:36,399
McCandalis emphasizes that and I see it

4155
03:16:36,399 --> 03:16:39,359
in our staff every single day. So um

4156
03:16:39,359 --> 03:16:41,760
that said, I I I want to comment on this

4157
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:44,319
tax increase. I think um funding public

4158
03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:47,120
safety appropriately is one of local

4159
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:48,640
government's most fundamental

4160
03:16:48,640 --> 03:16:50,720
responsibilities. Um and it's crucial to

4161
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:53,279
keeping ORM family city USA that we all

4162
03:16:53,279 --> 03:16:55,680
so value. And and this really to me is

4163
03:16:55,680 --> 03:16:57,359
not a question of whether we could find

4164
03:16:57,359 --> 03:16:59,200
$450,000 somewhere in the budget. We

4165
03:16:59,200 --> 03:17:00,800
could, as Mayor Young said, this is a

4166
03:17:00,800 --> 03:17:01,920
rounding error. You know, it's very

4167
03:17:01,920 --> 03:17:04,880
small. But the question to me is whether

4168
03:17:04,880 --> 03:17:07,040
it's fiscally responsible to fund

4169
03:17:07,040 --> 03:17:09,439
permanent public safety obligations with

4170
03:17:09,439 --> 03:17:12,160
temporary savings, volatile revenues, or

4171
03:17:12,160 --> 03:17:14,880
one-time capital dollars. And I don't

4172
03:17:14,880 --> 03:17:16,080
believe it is. I think it's our

4173
03:17:16,080 --> 03:17:17,840
responsibility not just to balance this

4174
03:17:17,840 --> 03:17:19,520
year's budget, but to leave ORM

4175
03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:21,359
financially prepared for the next

4176
03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:23,200
recession as well as the next period of

4177
03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:25,520
growth. So, um I I've thought a lot

4178
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:26,800
about this and I imagine a scenario

4179
03:17:26,800 --> 03:17:28,319
maybe 10 years down the road, say we

4180
03:17:28,319 --> 03:17:30,960
have another great recession. Um and and

4181
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:32,479
when that happens, people are going to

4182
03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:33,840
look back and say, "How did this happen?

4183
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:36,319
How did we get into this situation?" And

4184
03:17:36,319 --> 03:17:37,840
they would look at us and and they would

4185
03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:40,080
point to our dependence on sales tax and

4186
03:17:40,080 --> 03:17:42,800
ask why when we had the opportunity, we

4187
03:17:42,800 --> 03:17:44,160
didn't put our most fundamental

4188
03:17:44,160 --> 03:17:46,479
responsibilities on a more stable

4189
03:17:46,479 --> 03:17:49,359
financial foundation. So, um for me,

4190
03:17:49,359 --> 03:17:51,279
fiscal responsibility isn't simply

4191
03:17:51,279 --> 03:17:53,040
keeping taxes as low as possible,

4192
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:54,960
although I think that's important. I

4193
03:17:54,960 --> 03:17:56,399
think it means making difficult

4194
03:17:56,399 --> 03:17:58,880
decisions now so future councils and

4195
03:17:58,880 --> 03:18:00,960
future residents aren't left paying the

4196
03:18:00,960 --> 03:18:04,960
price for our unwillingness to act. Um

4197
03:18:04,960 --> 03:18:06,720
and in that light I would believe it

4198
03:18:06,720 --> 03:18:08,640
would be fiscally irresponsible not to

4199
03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:12,000
make this adjustment now.

4200
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:15,279
>> Great. Thank you. Anyone else want to

4201
03:18:15,279 --> 03:18:18,000
say anything at this point?

4202
03:18:18,000 --> 03:18:19,920
All right. Council member Mulestein.

4203
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:24,239
Thank you. Um, I take my job as being a

4204
03:18:24,239 --> 03:18:26,319
part of representative government very

4205
03:18:26,319 --> 03:18:29,040
seriously and my job here is to

4206
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:31,760
represent the people of ORM and that

4207
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:34,640
coin has two sides to it in my opinion.

4208
03:18:34,640 --> 03:18:36,640
The one side is that I need to listen to

4209
03:18:36,640 --> 03:18:38,160
the people of ORM and when they have

4210
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:40,080
ideas, concerns, suggestions or other

4211
03:18:40,080 --> 03:18:42,960
feedback, I need to take that in and I

4212
03:18:42,960 --> 03:18:45,680
need to um do something with that. And

4213
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:48,000
the other side of that coin is that the

4214
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:49,840
people need to trust me to be able to do

4215
03:18:49,840 --> 03:18:52,239
my job. You need to trust me that I'm

4216
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:53,840
attending all of my meetings. I'm doing

4217
03:18:53,840 --> 03:18:55,439
all of the research. I'm speaking to all

4218
03:18:55,439 --> 03:18:57,600
the people and I'm taking in all of that

4219
03:18:57,600 --> 03:18:59,200
information and I'm making the best

4220
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:01,600
informed decision that I can with the

4221
03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:04,800
information that I've gi I'm been given.

4222
03:19:04,800 --> 03:19:08,960
Um, part of my conundrum in this process

4223
03:19:08,960 --> 03:19:11,359
right now is the process.

4224
03:19:11,359 --> 03:19:15,359
We have had this on the docket since

4225
03:19:15,359 --> 03:19:16,880
May. This is something we have been

4226
03:19:16,880 --> 03:19:19,120
looking at and gathering feedback for

4227
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:22,319
months and I feel like I've gotten a

4228
03:19:22,319 --> 03:19:25,359
flood of information at the 11th hour

4229
03:19:25,359 --> 03:19:28,720
and 59 minutes with a ton of emails

4230
03:19:28,720 --> 03:19:32,000
today and yesterday. all of these public

4231
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:34,399
comments raising questions that I wish I

4232
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:39,040
had heard a month ago, a week ago,

4233
03:19:39,040 --> 03:19:41,120
some, you know, when I had more time to

4234
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:43,439
really fully address that so that we

4235
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:45,760
could

4236
03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:48,560
provide that information to our public

4237
03:19:48,560 --> 03:19:52,800
of why this is needed and why um why

4238
03:19:52,800 --> 03:19:56,800
this way. um

4239
03:19:56,800 --> 03:19:59,359
if we have this many people tonight who

4240
03:19:59,359 --> 03:20:02,560
are against this property tax increase

4241
03:20:02,560 --> 03:20:05,279
and by my calculations there were 17 who

4242
03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:07,200
spoke tonight against and seven who

4243
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:09,120
spoke for it might have been 16 and

4244
03:20:09,120 --> 03:20:11,840
seven um one of them we didn't actually

4245
03:20:11,840 --> 03:20:13,120
read their comment I think I just

4246
03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:15,359
assumed it was negative

4247
03:20:15,359 --> 03:20:15,680
um

4248
03:20:15,680 --> 03:20:17,920
>> it was

4249
03:20:17,920 --> 03:20:21,920
>> mayor says it was um

4250
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:24,960
so on the one side,

4251
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:26,880
I need to be able to be responsive to

4252
03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:28,479
the people and on the other side, I need

4253
03:20:28,479 --> 03:20:30,560
to be trusted to make a good decision.

4254
03:20:30,560 --> 03:20:33,040
With that said, I 100% support our

4255
03:20:33,040 --> 03:20:34,720
police and our fire. They are the

4256
03:20:34,720 --> 03:20:36,160
backbone of our community. They put

4257
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:39,120
themselves on the line every single day

4258
03:20:39,120 --> 03:20:43,359
for us. But if we can't explain to our

4259
03:20:43,359 --> 03:20:46,960
residents why we need this and why it

4260
03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:50,960
was so necessary, I it's hard because on

4261
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:52,960
one side, if we had asked for a bigger

4262
03:20:52,960 --> 03:20:54,479
amount, we would have been criticized

4263
03:20:54,479 --> 03:20:56,239
for it being too large. But now we're

4264
03:20:56,239 --> 03:20:57,680
also being criticized for the amount

4265
03:20:57,680 --> 03:20:59,600
we're asking being too small. We're kind

4266
03:20:59,600 --> 03:21:01,600
of in a no-win situation, and I'm not

4267
03:21:01,600 --> 03:21:04,319
sure what to do with that other than

4268
03:21:04,319 --> 03:21:06,720
somehow we have not gotten the right

4269
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:08,880
questions that our our residents wanted.

4270
03:21:08,880 --> 03:21:10,720
all of the information we've put out on

4271
03:21:10,720 --> 03:21:12,800
our truth and taxation website, all of

4272
03:21:12,800 --> 03:21:14,160
the things that we've been trying to

4273
03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:16,399
answer, we haven't answered those

4274
03:21:16,399 --> 03:21:19,840
questions. And so I feel like we need to

4275
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:22,640
answer these questions for our public in

4276
03:21:22,640 --> 03:21:25,359
a better way and come back and try

4277
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:28,950
again.

4278
03:21:28,960 --> 03:21:31,680
» All right. Thank you.

4279
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:34,319
Anyone else want to speak?

4280
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:35,680
You're looking like you're thinking

4281
03:21:35,680 --> 03:21:40,150
about speaking, Mr. Kilpac.

4282
03:21:40,160 --> 03:21:42,000
How I'm sorry I won't put you on the on

4283
03:21:42,000 --> 03:21:44,000
the spot. [gasps and sighs] You moved

4284
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:46,399
the microphone. So I thought you think

4285
03:21:46,399 --> 03:21:48,560
I'm

4286
03:21:48,560 --> 03:21:51,840
>> be happy to to share my feelings. I I

4287
03:21:51,840 --> 03:21:54,479
would concur with the blessing of having

4288
03:21:54,479 --> 03:21:56,239
uh the input tonight. In fact, I've made

4289
03:21:56,239 --> 03:21:58,880
that comment to several the dialogue,

4290
03:21:58,880 --> 03:22:02,080
the the public input, the the wonderful

4291
03:22:02,080 --> 03:22:04,080
questions

4292
03:22:04,080 --> 03:22:06,880
and all have been u insightful and

4293
03:22:06,880 --> 03:22:09,680
helpful for me in weighing uh that

4294
03:22:09,680 --> 03:22:12,880
process along with Councilman Mulestein

4295
03:22:12,880 --> 03:22:15,120
who who just has shared her feelings

4296
03:22:15,120 --> 03:22:18,720
about representative and as well as uh

4297
03:22:18,720 --> 03:22:22,000
listening and the the number of uh

4298
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:25,920
recent um input tonight and with all the

4299
03:22:25,920 --> 03:22:29,359
email processes, I'm grateful.

4300
03:22:29,359 --> 03:22:32,479
I'm also, as uh was mentioned by uh

4301
03:22:32,479 --> 03:22:35,840
council member um Mikum that through

4302
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:39,040
this process of um being aware of those

4303
03:22:39,040 --> 03:22:41,279
that are the the least among us in the

4304
03:22:41,279 --> 03:22:43,680
form of those that are um on fixed

4305
03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:46,880
income have uh specific individual

4306
03:22:46,880 --> 03:22:49,279
needs. As he mentioned, there are and

4307
03:22:49,279 --> 03:22:50,560
I've looked that's the thing that I

4308
03:22:50,560 --> 03:22:52,399
looked into.

4309
03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:55,279
there's about four or five uh programs

4310
03:22:55,279 --> 03:23:00,319
that they're all eligible for. And so I think as as part of this process, we

4311
03:23:00,319 --> 03:23:02,960
just need to make sure that we have

4312
03:23:02,960 --> 03:23:05,520
those all available in a public form for

4313
03:23:05,520 --> 03:23:08,399
them to easily get to to apply for uh if

4314
03:23:08,399 --> 03:23:09,760
they find this hardship or other

4315
03:23:09,760 --> 03:23:11,920
hardships in their property taxes or

4316
03:23:11,920 --> 03:23:14,880
other things. Um, so but with all that

4317
03:23:14,880 --> 03:23:19,040
said, my commitment to uh public safety

4318
03:23:19,040 --> 03:23:22,160
uh and uh the first responders of our

4319
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:25,279
city having again that more stable uh

4320
03:23:25,279 --> 03:23:28,880
base and uh not short-term dollars but

4321
03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:32,080
long-term opportunities has uh led me to

4322
03:23:32,080 --> 03:23:35,279
the opinion that uh with this it's I

4323
03:23:35,279 --> 03:23:38,000
think it's better to have that long-term

4324
03:23:38,000 --> 03:23:41,279
um stabilization in place. And so those

4325
03:23:41,279 --> 03:23:43,439
are just my thoughts as I've listened to

4326
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:44,800
all of those that have shared their

4327
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:46,479
opinions and feelings and I respect them

4328
03:23:46,479 --> 03:23:49,200
all and on some issues we uh may

4329
03:23:49,200 --> 03:23:52,000
disagree but I do uh respect everyone's

4330
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:53,520
opinion that's been shared today. Thank

4331
03:23:53,520 --> 03:23:54,960
you very much.

4332
03:23:54,960 --> 03:23:58,960
>> Thank you Council Member Lamson.

4333
03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:01,520
>> Thank you. Um and uh just to echo

4334
03:24:01,520 --> 03:24:03,680
everything that has been said thus far.

4335
03:24:03,680 --> 03:24:05,760
Um I agree

4336
03:24:05,760 --> 03:24:09,840
uh on every point. Um and I

4337
03:24:09,840 --> 03:24:13,279
uh take this decision very seriously.

4338
03:24:13,279 --> 03:24:15,680
Um we've spent a lot of time looking at

4339
03:24:15,680 --> 03:24:18,880
this weighing considering

4340
03:24:18,880 --> 03:24:21,279
uh looking at numbers. I appreciate the

4341
03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:23,040
extra help because I am not a numbers

4342
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:25,359
guy, but I appreciate the extra help and

4343
03:24:25,359 --> 03:24:27,040
explanation

4344
03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:29,920
uh and and the thoughtfulness there. And

4345
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:32,720
again, just thank you for being here.

4346
03:24:32,720 --> 03:24:35,600
uh and for caring.

4347
03:24:35,600 --> 03:24:38,080
Um [clears throat]

4348
03:24:38,080 --> 03:24:40,640
back if I could just share an

4349
03:24:40,640 --> 03:24:44,720
experience. Um is that okay, mayor, if I

4350
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:47,439
talk for a little bit?

4351
03:24:47,439 --> 03:24:48,479
>> Talk away.

4352
03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:50,080
>> Okay.

4353
03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:50,399
>> Yes.

4354
03:24:50,399 --> 03:24:52,239
>> I'll be done by midnight. I promise.

4355
03:24:52,239 --> 03:24:54,560
>> Oh, wait a minute. No. [laughter]

4356
03:24:54,560 --> 03:24:55,040
>> So,

4357
03:24:55,040 --> 03:24:56,800
>> okay. Do you need to set the timer from

4358
03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:57,600
counsel?

4359
03:24:57,600 --> 03:25:01,120
>> 3 minutes and he's out. So, back in in

4360
03:25:01,120 --> 03:25:02,640
2019,

4361
03:25:02,640 --> 03:25:05,600
um I became

4362
03:25:05,600 --> 03:25:07,520
acquainted with the situation that was

4363
03:25:07,520 --> 03:25:10,720
happening with our first responders. I

4364
03:25:10,720 --> 03:25:14,080
was running for election and I was not

4365
03:25:14,080 --> 03:25:15,680
aware that we had a problem. I didn't

4366
03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:18,560
know that we were losing some of our

4367
03:25:18,560 --> 03:25:22,239
most experienced uh officers to other

4368
03:25:22,239 --> 03:25:23,840
cities. they could go to other cities

4369
03:25:23,840 --> 03:25:25,840
where the workload was not nearly as

4370
03:25:25,840 --> 03:25:28,160
stressful, not nearly as hard and they

4371
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:31,439
were being courted.

4372
03:25:31,439 --> 03:25:34,319
And we had a we had a situation um

4373
03:25:34,319 --> 03:25:37,040
culture was a little different then

4374
03:25:37,040 --> 03:25:39,359
uh and

4375
03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:41,680
we were we were really in a bad place.

4376
03:25:41,680 --> 03:25:43,520
Someone mentioned earlier that ORM had

4377
03:25:43,520 --> 03:25:46,160
been the

4378
03:25:46,160 --> 03:25:47,600
uh I don't remember the word that was

4379
03:25:47,600 --> 03:25:49,359
used but that's ORM was the place that

4380
03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:51,279
every first responder wanted to come to

4381
03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:55,520
work and that was slipping away

4382
03:25:55,520 --> 03:25:58,800
and back in 2019 I remember sitting in a

4383
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:00,239
meeting similar to this and they were

4384
03:26:00,239 --> 03:26:02,720
talking about a little bit of a tax

4385
03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:04,640
increase to pay for some more police

4386
03:26:04,640 --> 03:26:07,920
officers those four officers that Chief

4387
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:10,479
Robinson referred to uh and explained

4388
03:26:10,479 --> 03:26:13,429
earlier.

4389
03:26:13,439 --> 03:26:16,000
Um, it was very competitive then and

4390
03:26:16,000 --> 03:26:18,800
it's very competitive now and we were

4391
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:21,279
losing some of our most experienced

4392
03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:23,680
first responders. The training back

4393
03:26:23,680 --> 03:26:25,200
then, I want to say just for the

4394
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:28,000
training alone, uh, it seems like it was

4395
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:30,239
right around $100,000 was a number that

4396
03:26:30,239 --> 03:26:33,040
was put on, a dollar amount that was put

4397
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:34,880
on those officers going through that

4398
03:26:34,880 --> 03:26:38,239
process and becoming ready to go out and

4399
03:26:38,239 --> 03:26:40,720
do their work. I'm sure it's gone up

4400
03:26:40,720 --> 03:26:43,439
significantly since then,

4401
03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:46,239
but the the experience and the knowledge

4402
03:26:46,239 --> 03:26:49,120
that these first responders carry with

4403
03:26:49,120 --> 03:26:51,120
them is priceless.

4404
03:26:51,120 --> 03:26:52,800
The things that they experience, the

4405
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:55,279
things that they have in their

4406
03:26:55,279 --> 03:26:59,120
toolbox, if you would, on how to handle

4407
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:01,200
certain situations

4408
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:04,960
can only come through being there.

4409
03:27:04,960 --> 03:27:07,520
And uh and so again, that that

4410
03:27:07,520 --> 03:27:08,960
experience and that knowledge is

4411
03:27:08,960 --> 03:27:10,880
priceless.

4412
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:14,319
Um I remember uh talking with several

4413
03:27:14,319 --> 03:27:16,479
different officers and firemen and and

4414
03:27:16,479 --> 03:27:20,800
becoming a little more acquainted about

4415
03:27:20,800 --> 03:27:23,760
the burdens and the just all of the

4416
03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:25,600
things that that they deal with and and

4417
03:27:25,600 --> 03:27:29,120
that they work through.

4418
03:27:29,120 --> 03:27:32,319
Uh I believe that as uh has been stated

4419
03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:34,239
many times before, our first responders

4420
03:27:34,239 --> 03:27:36,640
are the best in the state, if not the

4421
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:40,479
best in the country. Um I

4422
03:27:40,479 --> 03:27:42,560
am so impressed with the way that they

4423
03:27:42,560 --> 03:27:45,359
conduct themselves and uh and I think

4424
03:27:45,359 --> 03:27:48,880
we're all in agreement uh with that.

4425
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:51,439
Um, I made a commitment to them that I

4426
03:27:51,439 --> 03:27:53,200
would always remember the things that I

4427
03:27:53,200 --> 03:27:55,920
learned from them and always to take

4428
03:27:55,920 --> 03:27:58,399
that into consideration.

4429
03:27:58,399 --> 03:28:01,120
They have our backs. They run away from

4430
03:28:01,120 --> 03:28:03,120
uh when we run away from danger, they

4431
03:28:03,120 --> 03:28:05,600
are running into it. Not only do they

4432
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:08,479
run, but they get there in record time.

4433
03:28:08,479 --> 03:28:10,160
And not only do they arrive in record

4434
03:28:10,160 --> 03:28:11,840
time, but they arrive with the best

4435
03:28:11,840 --> 03:28:14,800
training, knowledgey, uh, knowledge,

4436
03:28:14,800 --> 03:28:16,960
technology, and equipment to remedy a

4437
03:28:16,960 --> 03:28:18,720
bad situation.

4438
03:28:18,720 --> 03:28:20,560
And not only do they arrive with all of

4439
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:23,279
this, they come as a professional team.

4440
03:28:23,279 --> 03:28:26,160
I've witnessed how each person shows up

4441
03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:29,040
in a situation, each person having a

4442
03:28:29,040 --> 03:28:31,439
role and responsibility, performing at

4443
03:28:31,439 --> 03:28:33,920
the highest and best levels. And not

4444
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:35,920
only do they all do all of this when

4445
03:28:35,920 --> 03:28:37,520
they show up and they bring all of this

4446
03:28:37,520 --> 03:28:40,080
with them, they bring with them

4447
03:28:40,080 --> 03:28:45,439
compassion or grit, empathy or a shield,

4448
03:28:45,439 --> 03:28:48,479
whichever that situation needs.

4449
03:28:48,479 --> 03:28:51,920
And they are prepared to deal with it on

4450
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:54,000
a on a very compassionate level if that

4451
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:56,640
is needed or with force uh in those

4452
03:28:56,640 --> 03:28:58,239
situations where that is needed. And I'm

4453
03:28:58,239 --> 03:29:00,000
grateful to know that they are there,

4454
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:01,279
that they're trained, and that they are

4455
03:29:01,279 --> 03:29:03,920
able to do that.

4456
03:29:03,920 --> 03:29:08,710
Uh

4457
03:29:08,720 --> 03:29:10,960
again, I want to make sure that they

4458
03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:15,920
have every bit of protection, training,

4459
03:29:15,920 --> 03:29:17,920
safety, equipment, everything that can

4460
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:20,560
be provided for them because I know for

4461
03:29:20,560 --> 03:29:22,239
sure that when you and I need them, they

4462
03:29:22,239 --> 03:29:24,800
will be there. And if they need us,

4463
03:29:24,800 --> 03:29:26,560
which it sounds like they do, I would

4464
03:29:26,560 --> 03:29:28,479
like to think that the citizens of ORM

4465
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:30,800
will be there for them.

4466
03:29:30,800 --> 03:29:33,680
Uh, not only that, but as I stated

4467
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:35,279
earlier, I want their wives and children

4468
03:29:35,279 --> 03:29:39,439
and their families to know that we all

4469
03:29:39,439 --> 03:29:41,600
have their backs.

4470
03:29:41,600 --> 03:29:43,120
There's another side of this profession

4471
03:29:43,120 --> 03:29:44,640
that you and I don't see, and it doesn't

4472
03:29:44,640 --> 03:29:46,479
show up in the newspaper or on a social

4473
03:29:46,479 --> 03:29:49,120
media post, but it's a very real part of

4474
03:29:49,120 --> 03:29:52,000
this job.

4475
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:53,840
These brave men and women show up in the

4476
03:29:53,840 --> 03:29:55,600
most horrendous of situations and deal

4477
03:29:55,600 --> 03:29:58,000
with things we can't even imagine. These

4478
03:29:58,000 --> 03:29:59,920
events, I'm sure, weigh heavily on their

4479
03:29:59,920 --> 03:30:01,439
minds and their hearts and create all

4480
03:30:01,439 --> 03:30:03,439
kinds of post-traumatic stress

4481
03:30:03,439 --> 03:30:05,920
disorders, anxieties, and depression

4482
03:30:05,920 --> 03:30:08,720
that we can't even comprehend. I want to

4483
03:30:08,720 --> 03:30:10,960
make sure that they have every mental

4484
03:30:10,960 --> 03:30:12,560
health and emotional health resource

4485
03:30:12,560 --> 03:30:14,479
available for not only our first

4486
03:30:14,479 --> 03:30:17,520
responders, but their families as well.

4487
03:30:17,520 --> 03:30:19,359
I think we can all agree that the world

4488
03:30:19,359 --> 03:30:22,160
has changed since in the last 5 years

4489
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:24,560
since this last study in 2021 that was

4490
03:30:24,560 --> 03:30:26,000
done.

4491
03:30:26,000 --> 03:30:27,840
Um, one thing that I've noticed about

4492
03:30:27,840 --> 03:30:30,479
our police force is that they are

4493
03:30:30,479 --> 03:30:32,000
noticeable.

4494
03:30:32,000 --> 03:30:34,479
Uh, I don't know if there's a term for

4495
03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:36,160
this, but I would call it preventative

4496
03:30:36,160 --> 03:30:39,680
presence. Um, when you go to a school

4497
03:30:39,680 --> 03:30:42,720
and there's a police car there,

4498
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:44,640
we don't know the effect that that has

4499
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:48,000
or what that drives away. what evil does

4500
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:49,840
not show up because there is a police

4501
03:30:49,840 --> 03:30:53,520
car and an officer there or uh when we

4502
03:30:53,520 --> 03:30:55,600
go to events at the sir shell I've

4503
03:30:55,600 --> 03:30:57,600
noticed that we have a police car there

4504
03:30:57,600 --> 03:30:59,279
that sir shell crowd is pretty rough

4505
03:30:59,279 --> 03:31:02,720
sometimes but who knows what that

4506
03:31:02,720 --> 03:31:06,640
preventative presence uh detours and in

4507
03:31:06,640 --> 03:31:08,560
lots of other places and lots of other

4508
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:10,880
in lots of other ways

4509
03:31:10,880 --> 03:31:13,520
um not only are they there but I've

4510
03:31:13,520 --> 03:31:15,279
noticed that they're there working and

4511
03:31:15,279 --> 03:31:18,080
they're building relationships and

4512
03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:19,760
strengthening relationships wherever

4513
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:22,880
they are. Uh, as city manager by

4514
03:31:22,880 --> 03:31:25,200
mentioned, um, we want to be customer

4515
03:31:25,200 --> 03:31:26,720
serviceoriented

4516
03:31:26,720 --> 03:31:29,359
and I feel like not only with first

4517
03:31:29,359 --> 03:31:31,920
responders, but across city staff,

4518
03:31:31,920 --> 03:31:34,479
everyone tries to be customer oriented

4519
03:31:34,479 --> 03:31:37,040
and customer serviceoriented.

4520
03:31:37,040 --> 03:31:40,720
Um, we've all taken this very seriously.

4521
03:31:40,720 --> 03:31:45,200
Um and we're all, you know, fiscal

4522
03:31:45,200 --> 03:31:47,040
fiscally conservative and want to be

4523
03:31:47,040 --> 03:31:50,000
fiscally respons responsible.

4524
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:52,080
Um this action is not a blank check or

4525
03:31:52,080 --> 03:31:54,239
an open checkbook, but it's in my mind

4526
03:31:54,239 --> 03:31:57,680
it's a metered and a measured approach

4527
03:31:57,680 --> 03:32:00,080
to helping to

4528
03:32:00,080 --> 03:32:01,920
create a a foundation and a baseline

4529
03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:05,439
that we can that we can count on.

4530
03:32:05,439 --> 03:32:08,239
Um to our executive staff also all world

4531
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:09,840
class

4532
03:32:09,840 --> 03:32:12,160
know that uh as part of their

4533
03:32:12,160 --> 03:32:14,000
responsibilities they are to look for

4534
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:16,239
and find ways to cut costs and they do

4535
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,880
this every single year and throughout

4536
03:32:18,880 --> 03:32:20,640
the year to be more efficient and to

4537
03:32:20,640 --> 03:32:22,800
look for ways to save these funds that

4538
03:32:22,800 --> 03:32:25,359
come from the citizens. We operate on a

4539
03:32:25,359 --> 03:32:27,279
balanced budget.

4540
03:32:27,279 --> 03:32:29,200
Uh we have an amazing team that is

4541
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:30,880
constantly looking into and working on

4542
03:32:30,880 --> 03:32:34,319
grants to save our taxpayers money.

4543
03:32:34,319 --> 03:32:37,600
Um my my concern with this as as has

4544
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:40,160
been expressed before

4545
03:32:40,160 --> 03:32:44,960
um back in in 2019 uh when we were in

4546
03:32:44,960 --> 03:32:48,640
that situation then uh there were also

4547
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:51,920
there was a a circumstance where there

4548
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:54,239
had not raises raises had not been given

4549
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:58,720
for quite some time and uh they didn't

4550
03:32:58,720 --> 03:33:02,000
have the funds and so costs were cut and

4551
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,560
our police officers our they were they

4552
03:33:04,560 --> 03:33:06,880
were suffering from that and I I don't

4553
03:33:06,880 --> 03:33:09,760
ever want to go there again. Um and so

4554
03:33:09,760 --> 03:33:11,600
in the situation that we have a

4555
03:33:11,600 --> 03:33:15,040
downturned economy uh a market crash or

4556
03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:17,760
something horrible like that uh where

4557
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:20,720
that sales tax decreases this will allow

4558
03:33:20,720 --> 03:33:22,800
us to be able to maintain the same level

4559
03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:26,640
of service from our first responders.

4560
03:33:26,640 --> 03:33:31,439
Um, again, I I feel like uh

4561
03:33:31,439 --> 03:33:33,040
someone mentioned earlier that the easy

4562
03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:36,800
thing to do would be to vote

4563
03:33:36,800 --> 03:33:43,840
uh for this, but in my mind, um it's a harder thing in my my core of who

4564
03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:47,439
I am is I am never for taxes. I I don't

4565
03:33:47,439 --> 03:33:49,760
believe in tax increases. I don't

4566
03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:52,000
believe in large government. I don't

4567
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:54,720
believe in in any of those things. But

4568
03:33:54,720 --> 03:33:58,080
at the same time, and as was mentioned,

4569
03:33:58,080 --> 03:33:59,359
you know, listening to the people that

4570
03:33:59,359 --> 03:34:03,120
have been here tonight, um there's a

4571
03:34:03,120 --> 03:34:08,319
significant number of people just in my little circle, everyone almost

4572
03:34:08,319 --> 03:34:11,120
that I've talked with when you explain

4573
03:34:11,120 --> 03:34:12,560
what this is and what's happening,

4574
03:34:12,560 --> 03:34:14,880
they're like, "Well, yeah, I can I can

4575
03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:17,439
deal with that. I'm in favor of that."

4576
03:34:17,439 --> 03:34:21,680
So, uh

4577
03:34:21,680 --> 03:34:24,800
tax increases are not easy. Um, but I

4578
03:34:24,800 --> 03:34:26,640
feel like

4579
03:34:26,640 --> 03:34:29,600
it is uh the responsible the fiscally

4580
03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:31,200
responsible thing to do to make sure

4581
03:34:31,200 --> 03:34:34,239
that that we have that foundation, that

4582
03:34:34,239 --> 03:34:36,239
baseline, and that we can continue to

4583
03:34:36,239 --> 03:34:38,080
have the level of service that we've

4584
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:41,279
come to expect here in Norm.

4585
03:34:41,279 --> 03:34:42,560
>> Thank you. Did you Didn't you say you're

4586
03:34:42,560 --> 03:34:44,000
going to go to midnight? You got another

4587
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:46,080
two hours and

4588
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:46,880
25 minutes.

4589
03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:48,640
>> I might just take that time, Mayor. You

4590
03:34:48,640 --> 03:34:49,279
never know.

4591
03:34:49,279 --> 03:34:51,920
>> Okay. Okay. All right. Council member

4592
03:34:51,920 --> 03:34:53,600
Millet, take it away.

4593
03:34:53,600 --> 03:34:55,680
>> Okay, so wow. So, just all kinds of

4594
03:34:55,680 --> 03:34:57,279
things. You should see my little notes

4595
03:34:57,279 --> 03:35:00,560
up here. I'm all over the place. Um I to

4596
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:02,880
Jeff's point, in 2019, that was so

4597
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:04,239
interesting to hear that because when I

4598
03:35:04,239 --> 03:35:08,239
ran in 2021, I met with a group of of um

4599
03:35:08,239 --> 03:35:11,279
concerned citizens supporting the police

4600
03:35:11,279 --> 03:35:13,359
that were very concerned with the state

4601
03:35:13,359 --> 03:35:18,800
of our police and fire at that time. Um,

4602
03:35:18,800 --> 03:35:23,040
so it it's it's es and flows. I mean, I

4603
03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:27,520
really um I just it's so hard to see the

4604
03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:29,279
struggle. I just want you gentlemen in

4605
03:35:29,279 --> 03:35:31,920
the blue to know. So hard to see this.

4606
03:35:31,920 --> 03:35:33,920
Um

4607
03:35:33,920 --> 03:35:36,880
uh I'm going to start here. Before I

4608
03:35:36,880 --> 03:35:39,040
talk about budgets, revenues or taxes

4609
03:35:39,040 --> 03:35:41,439
tonight, I want to get begin by

4610
03:35:41,439 --> 03:35:43,920
expressing my very strong support and

4611
03:35:43,920 --> 03:35:45,520
appreciation

4612
03:35:45,520 --> 03:35:48,160
for the men and women of the Oram Police

4613
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:50,960
Department and our ORM firefighters.

4614
03:35:50,960 --> 03:35:54,080
100% I'm behind you. Our first

4615
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:56,319
responders protect our residents. They

4616
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:59,600
save lives and serve this community

4617
03:35:59,600 --> 03:36:02,160
every day with their tremendous skill,

4618
03:36:02,160 --> 03:36:05,040
their professionalism, their empathy.

4619
03:36:05,040 --> 03:36:08,479
Um, I have three cousins who are police

4620
03:36:08,479 --> 03:36:11,840
officers. One is LA County Sheriff, one

4621
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,840
is in Long Beach, the other one's up in

4622
03:36:13,840 --> 03:36:16,800
Heber. I have to tell you, when I see

4623
03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:18,880
you, I think of them. I always think,

4624
03:36:18,880 --> 03:36:20,319
"What's my cousin doing right now? Where

4625
03:36:20,319 --> 03:36:25,750
is he?" You know? Um,

4626
03:36:25,760 --> 03:36:29,920
so it's it's it's um often very personal

4627
03:36:29,920 --> 03:36:31,920
for me.

4628
03:36:31,920 --> 03:36:34,239
We've challenged our chief of chiefs of

4629
03:36:34,239 --> 03:36:35,760
our departments, our fire and our police

4630
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:37,920
chief for the last four years to be

4631
03:36:37,920 --> 03:36:40,000
among the very best because like I say,

4632
03:36:40,000 --> 03:36:41,680
four years ago there were problems and

4633
03:36:41,680 --> 03:36:46,479
we had to solve some things and it was a lot of communication, a lot of

4634
03:36:46,479 --> 03:36:48,560
work, a lot of great things happening. I

4635
03:36:48,560 --> 03:36:53,439
I've loved the last four years. Um and

4636
03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:56,000
you know if we ask I feel if we ask that

4637
03:36:56,000 --> 03:36:58,080
of you that we then have the

4638
03:36:58,080 --> 03:37:01,600
responsibility to provide you know

4639
03:37:01,600 --> 03:37:04,479
compensation training mental health

4640
03:37:04,479 --> 03:37:07,359
services equipment

4641
03:37:07,359 --> 03:37:10,000
um ammo you know those are little things

4642
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:12,080
I've been police officers have talked to

4643
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:14,640
me about that we need to be able to to

4644
03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:17,200
supply facilities to help y'all succeed

4645
03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:23,040
and not just succeed but to help you Um,

4646
03:37:23,040 --> 03:37:26,800
be confident in what you do that will

4647
03:37:26,800 --> 03:37:30,239
protect your life, that will be there as

4648
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:32,160
you protect other lives, that you're

4649
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:36,239
also um have the training to to be able

4650
03:37:36,239 --> 03:37:38,560
to know instinctively what to do. That's

4651
03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:42,000
so important to me. Um, like I say, that

4652
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:44,720
hasn't always happened in ORM. Um, our

4653
03:37:44,720 --> 03:37:46,560
council and staff have over the past

4654
03:37:46,560 --> 03:37:47,680
five and a half years, I think, have

4655
03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:49,680
worked very hard to do that and to make

4656
03:37:49,680 --> 03:37:53,040
ORM an a place where exceptional police

4657
03:37:53,040 --> 03:37:57,200
officers want to come to. You know, the woman who said it used to be a

4658
03:37:57,200 --> 03:37:59,359
destination, I think it still is. I

4659
03:37:59,359 --> 03:38:01,040
truly believe I've seen the culture.

4660
03:38:01,040 --> 03:38:08,239
I've talked to y'all and yes, it it's a great place to be. Um,

4661
03:38:08,239 --> 03:38:11,040
I I have to admit I I was very shocked

4662
03:38:11,040 --> 03:38:13,040
to read that email this afternoon. It

4663
03:38:13,040 --> 03:38:14,399
was really hard for me to hear the

4664
03:38:14,399 --> 03:38:16,160
struggles that some of y'all are having

4665
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:17,680
and to not have known about that because

4666
03:38:17,680 --> 03:38:20,560
I'm a fixer and I wish you know I I

4667
03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:23,520
really like to fix things. Um

4668
03:38:23,520 --> 03:38:27,520
I um I had really hoped that our

4669
03:38:27,520 --> 03:38:30,000
communities had recovered from the

4670
03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:32,800
horrors of 2020 from the defund the

4671
03:38:32,800 --> 03:38:36,239
police you um you know messages. That

4672
03:38:36,239 --> 03:38:38,560
was so upsetting to me why anyone would

4673
03:38:38,560 --> 03:38:40,560
ever think that and why some of it still

4674
03:38:40,560 --> 03:38:41,920
happens somewhere. I just think that

4675
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:43,600
that's it's important to me that our

4676
03:38:43,600 --> 03:38:45,680
place feels supported in our community

4677
03:38:45,680 --> 03:38:47,040
and wherever you are. I love your

4678
03:38:47,040 --> 03:38:50,160
picnics. I love everything you do. Um I

4679
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:51,600
want to just shift the gears here for a

4680
03:38:51,600 --> 03:38:54,239
minute and you know also on it from an

4681
03:38:54,239 --> 03:38:55,680
emotional standpoint. It was really hard

4682
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:57,600
to hear um folks talk about

4683
03:38:57,600 --> 03:38:59,120
affordability,

4684
03:38:59,120 --> 03:39:02,000
you know, the the fixed income, the

4685
03:39:02,000 --> 03:39:03,680
truly yeah, it's a happy meal, but you

4686
03:39:03,680 --> 03:39:04,720
know what? Some people aren't buying

4687
03:39:04,720 --> 03:39:07,120
happy meals. um they're not getting the

4688
03:39:07,120 --> 03:39:08,880
swig that that is they're budgeting

4689
03:39:08,880 --> 03:39:10,640
right down to the penny and I respect

4690
03:39:10,640 --> 03:39:14,319
that and I recognize that as a as a

4691
03:39:14,319 --> 03:39:17,680
struggle. Um so very important to

4692
03:39:17,680 --> 03:39:19,439
recognize the affordability issues.

4693
03:39:19,439 --> 03:39:21,600
We've had tax increases from well, in

4694
03:39:21,600 --> 03:39:23,359
fact, the mayor stole my speech. You

4695
03:39:23,359 --> 03:39:26,880
know, Mayor Young, the county, right?

4696
03:39:26,880 --> 03:39:29,600
Um, the water district,

4697
03:39:29,600 --> 03:39:31,840
um, we're still paying school bonds. I

4698
03:39:31,840 --> 03:39:33,680
mean, I support education. That's great.

4699
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:35,200
But it's a big chunk. I mean, there

4700
03:39:35,200 --> 03:39:37,359
there's really been some multiple

4701
03:39:37,359 --> 03:39:39,680
inflation, insurance, auto insurance. I

4702
03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:41,120
mean, there's so much going on right now

4703
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:44,000
that's outside of the control of this

4704
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:46,319
city council right here. Those are out

4705
03:39:46,319 --> 03:39:48,800
of my out of my control. I can only pull

4706
03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:52,399
the lever for what I can control. Okay.

4707
03:39:52,399 --> 03:39:57,092
Um like the property tax increase. Um I

4708
03:39:57,092 --> 03:39:58,000
[clears throat] just want to say that

4709
03:39:58,000 --> 03:40:00,640
doesn't mean that I believe ORM should

4710
03:40:00,640 --> 03:40:03,439
never raise property taxes. I'm I'm not

4711
03:40:03,439 --> 03:40:05,680
in that camp. You know, I am kind of an

4712
03:40:05,680 --> 03:40:08,479
ideal log. I do I'm a conservative. I

4713
03:40:08,479 --> 03:40:10,160
think you go to your budget and you

4714
03:40:10,160 --> 03:40:12,880
trim. Um but I I'm I'm not a never say

4715
03:40:12,880 --> 03:40:16,080
never person. Um and and that's kind of

4716
03:40:16,080 --> 03:40:19,600
what I'm struggling with right now. Um

4717
03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:20,800
but I want to kind of give a little

4718
03:40:20,800 --> 03:40:22,880
background of my perspective here

4719
03:40:22,880 --> 03:40:25,120
because when I came into this um this

4720
03:40:25,120 --> 03:40:27,600
position four and a half years ago, it

4721
03:40:27,600 --> 03:40:29,359
was I' I'd been in these meetings. I'd

4722
03:40:29,359 --> 03:40:31,200
heard the complaints from the fire and

4723
03:40:31,200 --> 03:40:34,640
stuff and um so we came up with a plan,

4724
03:40:34,640 --> 03:40:36,640
you know, we came up with a plan on how

4725
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:40,720
we were going to help fund and and and

4726
03:40:40,720 --> 03:40:43,040
um build our city hall and do some of

4727
03:40:43,040 --> 03:40:44,239
these things that we wanted to do

4728
03:40:44,239 --> 03:40:46,319
without raising taxes and stay true to

4729
03:40:46,319 --> 03:40:49,279
that core value. Um

4730
03:40:49,279 --> 03:40:50,800
so the plan, you've heard some of them,

4731
03:40:50,800 --> 03:40:52,479
but I'm just going to review real quick.

4732
03:40:52,479 --> 03:40:55,439
Find efficiencies, right? Strategy and

4733
03:40:55,439 --> 03:40:59,680
innovation. Jennica's team, amazing. I'm just amazed at what you come up with

4734
03:40:59,680 --> 03:41:01,760
and and how you find these things. Um

4735
03:41:01,760 --> 03:41:04,160
the HR person that that resigned

4736
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:07,120
splitting that job three ways.

4737
03:41:07,120 --> 03:41:08,720
Groundbreaking there, right? Grants and

4738
03:41:08,720 --> 03:41:11,279
outside funding still very aggressive on

4739
03:41:11,279 --> 03:41:13,760
that. Um we're still pursuing that. Now,

4740
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:15,920
one key that that I kind of moving into

4741
03:41:15,920 --> 03:41:17,600
right now is pursuing not only those

4742
03:41:17,600 --> 03:41:19,920
grants, but also relationships. You

4743
03:41:19,920 --> 03:41:21,840
know, we were at a ribbon cutting with a

4744
03:41:21,840 --> 03:41:23,439
county commissioner yesterday.

4745
03:41:23,439 --> 03:41:24,960
Interestingly enough, he talked about

4746
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:26,720
how he funded something in another city

4747
03:41:26,720 --> 03:41:28,560
and they weren't very grateful. And I

4748
03:41:28,560 --> 03:41:30,399
said, "Come to ORM. We'll take that

4749
03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:33,279
$250,000 that you gave to them. Come to

4750
03:41:33,279 --> 03:41:35,680
ORM. We'll make it work." You know, so

4751
03:41:35,680 --> 03:41:37,200
those relationships. I was at a meeting

4752
03:41:37,200 --> 03:41:39,439
last week with Congressman Mike Kennedy

4753
03:41:39,439 --> 03:41:41,840
on the federal level. Let's, you know,

4754
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:43,600
those that's part of the puzzle to make

4755
03:41:43,600 --> 03:41:45,279
this happen. Better partnerships and

4756
03:41:45,279 --> 03:41:46,880
contracts. You know, ORM provides a lot

4757
03:41:46,880 --> 03:41:50,399
of services for fire and police or other

4758
03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:52,479
organizations. We need to make sure that

4759
03:41:52,479 --> 03:41:53,920
our ARM taxpayers are properly

4760
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:56,160
compensated with those agreements. And

4761
03:41:56,160 --> 03:41:57,840
the fourth one is what I want to talk

4762
03:41:57,840 --> 03:42:04,080
about for just a second and that was um economic development.

4763
03:42:04,080 --> 03:42:05,600
We hired an economic development

4764
03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:07,439
director. Our our other one, she was

4765
03:42:07,439 --> 03:42:08,960
wonderful, but she didn't didn't want to

4766
03:42:08,960 --> 03:42:10,239
do the community anymore. So, we hired

4767
03:42:10,239 --> 03:42:11,439
this guy and when we were going to hire

4768
03:42:11,439 --> 03:42:13,279
him, I said, I want a mover and shaker.

4769
03:42:13,279 --> 03:42:15,040
I want somebody who's going to help us

4770
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:17,359
with this sales tax infrastructure that

4771
03:42:17,359 --> 03:42:19,840
we have in place. bringing more of that

4772
03:42:19,840 --> 03:42:21,680
and and bolstering that up because

4773
03:42:21,680 --> 03:42:23,600
frankly we kind of dipped a little bit

4774
03:42:23,600 --> 03:42:24,880
right I think part of it's because the

4775
03:42:24,880 --> 03:42:27,359
state street master plan there was no

4776
03:42:27,359 --> 03:42:29,040
remodeling very little infrastructure

4777
03:42:29,040 --> 03:42:30,960
improvements for 5 years in ORM and we

4778
03:42:30,960 --> 03:42:34,560
were feeling it for 5 years 2018 1920 23

4779
03:42:34,560 --> 03:42:38,479
that that was a you look now and these the there's a lot of remodeling

4780
03:42:38,479 --> 03:42:40,720
and rebuilding and new places you know

4781
03:42:40,720 --> 03:42:43,680
new new businesses too so part of that

4782
03:42:43,680 --> 03:42:45,840
economic development piece of the puzzle

4783
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:48,319
the fourth fourth spoke was that We

4784
03:42:48,319 --> 03:42:49,680
asked this economic development

4785
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:51,040
director, we tasked him with

4786
03:42:51,040 --> 03:42:53,120
strengthening our existing businesses,

4787
03:42:53,120 --> 03:42:55,200
attracting new investment, and expanding

4788
03:42:55,200 --> 03:42:57,359
ORM's economic base and doing

4789
03:42:57,359 --> 03:42:59,200
experiential, you know, bringing people

4790
03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:00,880
to ORM. Spend your money and then go

4791
03:43:00,880 --> 03:43:04,560
home. You know, we're going to we're going to we're going to

4792
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:06,479
um really kind of create ORM's the place

4793
03:43:06,479 --> 03:43:08,160
to be. ORM is very cool, like the

4794
03:43:08,160 --> 03:43:11,920
t-shirt says, right? So, um he's working

4795
03:43:11,920 --> 03:43:14,960
on that. He his directive was, you know,

4796
03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:16,800
do do things that create an environment

4797
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:18,399
where families can thrive. And that's

4798
03:43:18,399 --> 03:43:20,560
part of that. Every dollar of additional

4799
03:43:20,560 --> 03:43:22,319
revenue we can generate through stronger

4800
03:43:22,319 --> 03:43:24,399
business community is a dollar we don't

4801
03:43:24,399 --> 03:43:26,160
have to ask our residents to provide

4802
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:31,520
through taxes. Okay. Um I I I kind of

4803
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:33,040
gone on a little too much. I don't I

4804
03:43:33,040 --> 03:43:35,120
don't know that um I feel like we're

4805
03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:37,680
still at the early stages of that plan.

4806
03:43:37,680 --> 03:43:39,359
I I kind of want to give that plan a

4807
03:43:39,359 --> 03:43:41,600
chance. we've got this great economic

4808
03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:46,960
development director that we've hired. I feel like, you know, let let's we're

4809
03:43:46,960 --> 03:43:48,399
just starting. He's barely been on the

4810
03:43:48,399 --> 03:43:52,399
job for a few months. Um

4811
03:43:52,399 --> 03:43:54,800
so I want to keep finding efficiencies,

4812
03:43:54,800 --> 03:43:56,319
keep doing grants, keep making

4813
03:43:56,319 --> 03:43:58,319
relationships. I don't think we're there

4814
03:43:58,319 --> 03:44:00,880
yet for for um some of these other

4815
03:44:00,880 --> 03:44:03,359
things. Um, supporting our first

4816
03:44:03,359 --> 03:44:05,439
responders and being careful with our

4817
03:44:05,439 --> 03:44:08,319
residents tax dollars are not and should

4818
03:44:08,319 --> 03:44:11,680
not be competing values. We can do both.

4819
03:44:11,680 --> 03:44:13,040
We can provide police and fire

4820
03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:14,960
departments with the resources that they

4821
03:44:14,960 --> 03:44:17,760
need while continuing our plan to grow

4822
03:44:17,760 --> 03:44:20,960
ORM's revenues before we ask our

4823
03:44:20,960 --> 03:44:24,479
families to contribute more. To me, that

4824
03:44:24,479 --> 03:44:28,080
is sound fiscal policy. planning for the

4825
03:44:28,080 --> 03:44:30,640
future, prioritizing public safety, and

4826
03:44:30,640 --> 03:44:33,120
living within our means.

4827
03:44:33,120 --> 03:44:36,880
Um, tonight I support hiring to more

4828
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:38,720
police officers.

4829
03:44:38,720 --> 03:44:42,160
Um, however, I my angle is a little

4830
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:45,199
different to provide the $450,000 that

4831
03:44:45,199 --> 03:44:47,520
we need. We need to find that in a in

4832
03:44:47,520 --> 03:44:50,560
our existing budget, $177 million

4833
03:44:50,560 --> 03:44:55,830
budget. We can't find $450,000.25%.

4834
03:44:55,840 --> 03:44:58,239
Of course we can. You should be able to

4835
03:44:58,239 --> 03:45:00,479
cut a budget 5% every year. That's kind

4836
03:45:00,479 --> 03:45:01,920
of the guide they always taught us in

4837
03:45:01,920 --> 03:45:05,760
college, right? Is it, you know, you you should always be looking for

4838
03:45:05,760 --> 03:45:08,640
efficiencies. And we do. And we do. But

4839
03:45:08,640 --> 03:45:10,640
I I I'm I'm tonight I'm just going to

4840
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:13,520
put out that challenge to do that to rep

4841
03:45:13,520 --> 03:45:15,520
prioritize some of our planned amenity

4842
03:45:15,520 --> 03:45:18,160
improvements. Maybe wait another year to

4843
03:45:18,160 --> 03:45:21,920
replace a vehicle. Um because some of

4844
03:45:21,920 --> 03:45:23,520
these things that I circled, some of

4845
03:45:23,520 --> 03:45:26,000
these comments that these people said,

4846
03:45:26,000 --> 03:45:28,160
um it's going to force the elderly out

4847
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:31,680
of their home. Um I mean, I love the guy

4848
03:45:31,680 --> 03:45:32,960
that said, "I loved how you helped me

4849
03:45:32,960 --> 03:45:35,439
with the bomb threats, you know,

4850
03:45:35,439 --> 03:45:38,319
supporting our police." Um the one

4851
03:45:38,319 --> 03:45:39,920
gentleman who said, "Let's all donate

4852
03:45:39,920 --> 03:45:41,600
and help those people." You know, that

4853
03:45:41,600 --> 03:45:43,840
was cute, right? Public safety should

4854
03:45:43,840 --> 03:45:46,239
not be negotiable. Yeah, it comes out

4855
03:45:46,239 --> 03:45:47,920
first. It comes out first from our

4856
03:45:47,920 --> 03:45:50,080
budget. Um, but I'm gonna say one last

4857
03:45:50,080 --> 03:45:52,105
thing. Um, well, maybe more than one.

4858
03:45:52,105 --> 03:45:53,680
[laughter]

4859
03:45:53,680 --> 03:45:54,640
>> He's trying to talk fast.

4860
03:45:54,640 --> 03:45:56,640
>> Still got two hours and [clears throat]

4861
03:45:56,640 --> 03:45:59,920
>> Okay. Um,

4862
03:45:59,920 --> 03:46:01,120
I kind of feel like we're talking about

4863
03:46:01,120 --> 03:46:03,760
the wrong thing tonight.

4864
03:46:03,760 --> 03:46:06,720
I was really stunned at the um chief's

4865
03:46:06,720 --> 03:46:09,279
comments. Um, and I feel it's important

4866
03:46:09,279 --> 03:46:11,279
to solve the real problem. And the

4867
03:46:11,279 --> 03:46:15,920
problem is um we've got to help our

4868
03:46:15,920 --> 03:46:20,000
police officers and and this position be

4869
03:46:20,000 --> 03:46:22,720
seen for the wonderful thing that it is

4870
03:46:22,720 --> 03:46:30,560
and that they are. Um this is this is a a culture thing that we all in our

4871
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:32,960
community for or against a tax increase

4872
03:46:32,960 --> 03:46:35,279
need to start pushing out there. It it

4873
03:46:35,279 --> 03:46:38,239
is really, you know, uh it's a real

4874
03:46:38,239 --> 03:46:39,680
problem. It sounds like if we can't even

4875
03:46:39,680 --> 03:46:41,040
recruit, this is not about not having

4876
03:46:41,040 --> 03:46:42,640
the money because you told me we could

4877
03:46:42,640 --> 03:46:43,840
they they promised you they could find

4878
03:46:43,840 --> 03:46:47,520
it in the budget, right? But um we've

4879
03:46:47,520 --> 03:46:49,439
got to find a way to maintain these

4880
03:46:49,439 --> 03:46:52,080
strong officers and um I feel like

4881
03:46:52,080 --> 03:46:53,279
that's the problem. I don't feel like

4882
03:46:53,279 --> 03:46:55,520
it's a funding problem right now.

4883
03:46:55,520 --> 03:46:57,040
There's always funding problems. I'll

4884
03:46:57,040 --> 03:46:58,560
take that back. There's always everybody

4885
03:46:58,560 --> 03:46:59,920
wants the money. Everybody wants a piece

4886
03:46:59,920 --> 03:47:03,840
of the pie. Um, but it's such a small

4887
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:06,399
percentage of even our public safety

4888
03:47:06,399 --> 03:47:07,920
budget. 41 million. I'm trying to

4889
03:47:07,920 --> 03:47:09,600
remember. I'm get them numbers out

4890
03:47:09,600 --> 03:47:14,399
there. But, um, let's find it. Let's do it tomorrow. I mean, get

4891
03:47:14,399 --> 03:47:16,080
those three guys, get them going, get

4892
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:18,319
them a car, you know. Let's let's do it.

4893
03:47:18,319 --> 03:47:20,160
Find a way that we can sacrifice

4894
03:47:20,160 --> 03:47:23,040
somewhere else in our budget. I'm pretty

4895
03:47:23,040 --> 03:47:25,439
sure all of these ones that we've talked

4896
03:47:25,439 --> 03:47:28,399
about um you know these things that we

4897
03:47:28,399 --> 03:47:31,359
so love about ORM I don't I can't you

4898
03:47:31,359 --> 03:47:32,880
know the one gentleman who wants to pay

4899
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:35,120
to help people who can't afford it I

4900
03:47:35,120 --> 03:47:37,760
think all of us would um say we'll

4901
03:47:37,760 --> 03:47:39,680
sacrifice waiting another year for a

4902
03:47:39,680 --> 03:47:41,920
park upgrade or something like that in

4903
03:47:41,920 --> 03:47:44,479
order to hire two or more police

4904
03:47:44,479 --> 03:47:48,640
officers in this in this thing this um

4905
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:52,080
era of these struggles that you have. So

4906
03:47:52,080 --> 03:47:55,040
I feel like um we have more work to do.

4907
03:47:55,040 --> 03:47:57,840
We have more opportunities to pursue

4908
03:47:57,840 --> 03:48:00,239
before that I'm before I am willing to

4909
03:48:00,239 --> 03:48:03,600
ask or families to pay more.

4910
03:48:03,600 --> 03:48:06,880
So I just want to end with my support

4911
03:48:06,880 --> 03:48:10,960
100% support of pushing for that those

4912
03:48:10,960 --> 03:48:12,399
additional that additional monies that

4913
03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:15,920
you need chief. Um if this doesn't pass

4914
03:48:15,920 --> 03:48:19,279
I I'm there for you you know um because

4915
03:48:19,279 --> 03:48:20,640
it's that important. you need to come

4916
03:48:20,640 --> 03:48:22,720
off the top. So, thank you for my

4917
03:48:22,720 --> 03:48:25,359
comments. Let me make my comments.

4918
03:48:25,359 --> 03:48:27,920
>> All right. Thank you. Does anyone else

4919
03:48:27,920 --> 03:48:29,520
want to say anything before I say

4920
03:48:29,520 --> 03:48:31,520
something?

4921
03:48:31,520 --> 03:48:34,160
Okay.

4922
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:36,239
First of all,

4923
03:48:36,239 --> 03:48:40,080
council colleagues, thank you.

4924
03:48:40,080 --> 03:48:42,960
It's a privilege to serve with you.

4925
03:48:42,960 --> 03:48:46,080
I have really I've I've thoroughly

4926
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:48,399
enjoyed

4927
03:48:48,399 --> 03:48:50,239
hearing what your thoughts are. I know

4928
03:48:50,239 --> 03:48:53,120
that it's it's weird and crazy, but I

4929
03:48:53,120 --> 03:48:56,640
love public policy and to hear the

4930
03:48:56,640 --> 03:48:59,359
different perspectives and I value each

4931
03:48:59,359 --> 03:49:04,319
of those perspectives and each of you as you've shared those thoughts and

4932
03:49:04,319 --> 03:49:06,880
that you the the residents. Thank you.

4933
03:49:06,880 --> 03:49:10,080
for the the sacred trusts

4934
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:13,279
you've given to us to be stewards of our

4935
03:49:13,279 --> 03:49:14,800
community

4936
03:49:14,800 --> 03:49:18,319
to of our of not just not just the funds

4937
03:49:18,319 --> 03:49:20,720
but the well-being. It's a it's a

4938
03:49:20,720 --> 03:49:22,399
responsibility that I take very

4939
03:49:22,399 --> 03:49:24,160
seriously.

4940
03:49:24,160 --> 03:49:26,239
Um Council Member Millet, thank you.

4941
03:49:26,239 --> 03:49:28,560
You've done a really good job. Did a

4942
03:49:28,560 --> 03:49:29,840
really good job recapping what's

4943
03:49:29,840 --> 03:49:31,920
happening now. So, I'm going to cross

4944
03:49:31,920 --> 03:49:33,680
that off. That is because you you did.

4945
03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:36,080
We're doing we're doing great on the

4946
03:49:36,080 --> 03:49:38,640
Yes. The things that And it goes I think

4947
03:49:38,640 --> 03:49:40,960
part of it hearkens back to to the

4948
03:49:40,960 --> 03:49:43,359
efficiency study, Mary Young. Thank you.

4949
03:49:43,359 --> 03:49:45,600
That's a good that was a that's a thing

4950
03:49:45,600 --> 03:49:48,800
that we've really hung and clung to is

4951
03:49:48,800 --> 03:49:51,840
we become a very efficient organization.

4952
03:49:51,840 --> 03:49:55,199
And that was something that as as we go

4953
03:49:55,199 --> 03:49:56,720
forward in the budget, say, okay, we

4954
03:49:56,720 --> 03:49:58,239
have this efficiency study. We're doing

4955
03:49:58,239 --> 03:50:00,479
these different things.

4956
03:50:00,479 --> 03:50:02,000
if we want to do more or something

4957
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:04,399
different, how does it relate to that?

4958
03:50:04,399 --> 03:50:06,399
Um, is it the most efficient way that we

4959
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:09,920
can do it plus be uh fiscally

4960
03:50:09,920 --> 03:50:12,720
responsible plus meet the needs of of

4961
03:50:12,720 --> 03:50:16,160
those in the community? And yes, um I

4962
03:50:16,160 --> 03:50:17,760
appreciate the comments on the most

4963
03:50:17,760 --> 03:50:20,160
vulnerable. I spent over a decade

4964
03:50:20,160 --> 03:50:21,600
working with those of the most

4965
03:50:21,600 --> 03:50:23,760
vulnerable in our community.

4966
03:50:23,760 --> 03:50:26,319
I remember teaching a class and how um

4967
03:50:26,319 --> 03:50:29,359
budgeting and how one gentleman was he'd

4968
03:50:29,359 --> 03:50:31,199
never done a budget in his life and he

4969
03:50:31,199 --> 03:50:33,199
was so thrilled that he had $2 left at

4970
03:50:33,199 --> 03:50:35,600
the end of the month that he said I I

4971
03:50:35,600 --> 03:50:38,560
did a budget and I have $2 left that

4972
03:50:38,560 --> 03:50:40,960
that's that's something that's very

4973
03:50:40,960 --> 03:50:43,359
important is to remember the impact on

4974
03:50:43,359 --> 03:50:45,680
all the members of our community.

4975
03:50:45,680 --> 03:50:47,840
appreciated the comments. Um, she's not

4976
03:50:47,840 --> 03:50:50,000
here anymore about how it does affect

4977
03:50:50,000 --> 03:50:51,920
housing affordability

4978
03:50:51,920 --> 03:50:54,880
and I and I recognize that.

4979
03:50:54,880 --> 03:50:57,984
Um,

4980
03:50:57,994 --> 03:50:58,800
[snorts]

4981
03:50:58,800 --> 03:51:01,040
one thing I just want to emphasize where

4982
03:51:01,040 --> 03:51:02,640
I'm going to be coming from here and I

4983
03:51:02,640 --> 03:51:05,920
and uh I appreciated I appreciate what

4984
03:51:05,920 --> 03:51:09,439
everybody said that as I as I outlined

4985
03:51:09,439 --> 03:51:12,640
my thoughts. I saw that council member

4986
03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:15,120
Gail and I were probably frightens you

4987
03:51:15,120 --> 03:51:17,439
that we kind of think there's some are

4988
03:51:17,439 --> 03:51:20,160
thinking the same as me. [laughter]

4989
03:51:20,160 --> 03:51:21,920
But

4990
03:51:21,920 --> 03:51:23,359
uh one of the comments that came up

4991
03:51:23,359 --> 03:51:26,239
numerous times this evening was we

4992
03:51:26,239 --> 03:51:29,439
create this public safety fund [gasps]

4993
03:51:29,439 --> 03:51:31,520
uh it's always going to be need to be

4994
03:51:31,520 --> 03:51:34,080
filled or backfilled with with other

4995
03:51:34,080 --> 03:51:39,040
things besides property tax. Um the

4996
03:51:39,040 --> 03:51:41,920
unfortunate reality is probably yes,

4997
03:51:41,920 --> 03:51:44,479
some other funds are going to be needed

4998
03:51:44,479 --> 03:51:46,000
because

4999
03:51:46,000 --> 03:51:50,479
um property taxes I I can't I can't

5000
03:51:50,479 --> 03:51:52,720
envision our property tax ever

5001
03:51:52,720 --> 03:51:56,880
completely paying for our public uh

5002
03:51:56,880 --> 03:51:59,600
public safety needs.

5003
03:51:59,600 --> 03:52:03,840
But it is something that I do think that

5004
03:52:03,840 --> 03:52:06,000
we need to consider very carefully. And

5005
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:08,640
is it something and I and I appreciated

5006
03:52:08,640 --> 03:52:11,359
what um

5007
03:52:11,359 --> 03:52:14,560
Miss Wilding said that just the

5008
03:52:14,560 --> 03:52:19,359
structure change the concern that the structure change makes change makes

5009
03:52:19,359 --> 03:52:21,840
future increases easy. And I wrote I

5010
03:52:21,840 --> 03:52:23,359
wrote a note to myself. I said I

5011
03:52:23,359 --> 03:52:24,800
understand I understand where she's

5012
03:52:24,800 --> 03:52:26,800
coming from on that. that. Yeah, just

5013
03:52:26,800 --> 03:52:28,000
because we say, "Oh, we're going to put

5014
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:30,479
it in public safety. Who's ever opposed

5015
03:52:30,479 --> 03:52:32,800
to public safety and we're going to do

5016
03:52:32,800 --> 03:52:35,840
the prop?" Yeah, I I get that. But this

5017
03:52:35,840 --> 03:52:39,680
is where I'm coming from.

5018
03:52:39,680 --> 03:52:42,640
We one of the first I think it was at

5019
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:44,399
our city council retreat was the first

5020
03:52:44,399 --> 03:52:45,840
time well the first time this year we

5021
03:52:45,840 --> 03:52:47,760
heard about we've heard about it since

5022
03:52:47,760 --> 03:52:51,279
about the sustainability study about

5023
03:52:51,279 --> 03:52:56,319
ORM's reliance on sales tax. We've been

5024
03:52:56,319 --> 03:52:58,160
very fortunate. We have wonderful

5025
03:52:58,160 --> 03:53:01,520
businesses. We've got a a growing

5026
03:53:01,520 --> 03:53:04,560
community to our west that doesn't have

5027
03:53:04,560 --> 03:53:06,239
a lot of commercial. It's commercial's

5028
03:53:06,239 --> 03:53:10,399
continuing to grow, but right now we are

5029
03:53:10,399 --> 03:53:13,199
the recipients of sales tax revenue that

5030
03:53:13,199 --> 03:53:15,680
comes from vineyard and that and we

5031
03:53:15,680 --> 03:53:17,680
don't get sales tax revenue from people

5032
03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:20,560
coming from what used to be Spanish Fork

5033
03:53:20,560 --> 03:53:23,439
or u more from Provo or American Fork.

5034
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:26,000
We don't have that. I was on the city

5035
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:28,399
council when we were in the during the

5036
03:53:28,399 --> 03:53:35,920
great recession. I remember Brandon when our when our rainy day fund went

5037
03:53:35,920 --> 03:53:37,840
very low

5038
03:53:37,840 --> 03:53:40,319
and it's like oh no what are we you know

5039
03:53:40,319 --> 03:53:43,120
what are we going to do and it was it

5040
03:53:43,120 --> 03:53:45,600
was pretty rough. So the position and

5041
03:53:45,600 --> 03:53:50,000
the direction that I took is okay

5042
03:53:50,000 --> 03:53:52,479
what is the most stable council? What's

5043
03:53:52,479 --> 03:53:56,319
this most stable tax that we have at our

5044
03:53:56,319 --> 03:53:58,399
disposal

5045
03:53:58,399 --> 03:54:00,319
and

5046
03:54:00,319 --> 03:54:02,640
right is it's property tax and we can do

5047
03:54:02,640 --> 03:54:05,120
franchise taxes and other types of

5048
03:54:05,120 --> 03:54:08,560
things like that but I mean property tax

5049
03:54:08,560 --> 03:54:12,080
comparatively to sales tax very is very

5050
03:54:12,080 --> 03:54:15,359
stable. So that's why I have that piece

5051
03:54:15,359 --> 03:54:18,560
here. Then I think what and and my

5052
03:54:18,560 --> 03:54:20,720
background is in in land use planning.

5053
03:54:20,720 --> 03:54:22,640
I've worked for cities and I would I'd

5054
03:54:22,640 --> 03:54:25,120
argue that Mr. McInn that community

5055
03:54:25,120 --> 03:54:26,640
development

5056
03:54:26,640 --> 03:54:29,600
that's the most important department

5057
03:54:29,600 --> 03:54:34,640
but yeah it is [laughter] but but it's

5058
03:54:34,640 --> 03:54:36,720
the thing is is that as a community

5059
03:54:36,720 --> 03:54:39,359
we're charged but providing this the

5060
03:54:39,359 --> 03:54:42,640
public public safety.

5061
03:54:42,640 --> 03:54:45,920
So [snorts] here I've got this need the

5062
03:54:45,920 --> 03:54:48,000
public city. What are the most basic? I

5063
03:54:48,000 --> 03:54:49,840
didn't hear one single person this

5064
03:54:49,840 --> 03:54:53,439
evening council say I don't think we

5065
03:54:53,439 --> 03:54:55,439
ought to fund. I don't think we need the

5066
03:54:55,439 --> 03:54:57,040
officers or anything like that. I didn't

5067
03:54:57,040 --> 03:55:00,239
hear that at all. I heard

5068
03:55:00,239 --> 03:55:02,640
um unanimously that yes, we need to

5069
03:55:02,640 --> 03:55:06,160
provide for our public safety officers

5070
03:55:06,160 --> 03:55:07,760
and our first all of our first

5071
03:55:07,760 --> 03:55:11,120
responders. And so I look at that as a

5072
03:55:11,120 --> 03:55:13,439
need, a crucial need in our community.

5073
03:55:13,439 --> 03:55:15,120
Even all the other departments, we love

5074
03:55:15,120 --> 03:55:17,279
you too. I love you all. [gasps] But I

5075
03:55:17,279 --> 03:55:21,439
understand that this need that we have.

5076
03:55:21,439 --> 03:55:25,439
And so I look at how can I with a with a

5077
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:27,279
unpredictable

5078
03:55:27,279 --> 03:55:30,160
sales tax and something that's as

5079
03:55:30,160 --> 03:55:35,040
vulnerable as sales tax. Where can I put

5080
03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:38,640
this crucial needing

5081
03:55:38,640 --> 03:55:40,080
for this crucial need as much as I

5082
03:55:40,080 --> 03:55:42,640
possibly can at this point? [gasps] And

5083
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:45,040
then to me it's in that public safety.

5084
03:55:45,040 --> 03:55:48,640
It's creating a public safety um special

5085
03:55:48,640 --> 03:55:53,120
revenue fund. So we have that yeartoyear

5086
03:55:53,120 --> 03:55:55,600
that we know that we are we can we've

5087
03:55:55,600 --> 03:55:57,680
told our residents

5088
03:55:57,680 --> 03:56:01,199
that we that this is a priority for us

5089
03:56:01,199 --> 03:56:04,080
that we're going to set this aside. I do

5090
03:56:04,080 --> 03:56:06,319
want to express my concern later on and

5091
03:56:06,319 --> 03:56:08,160
as we go on in the sustainability that

5092
03:56:08,160 --> 03:56:12,640
we've had the presentations that we

5093
03:56:12,640 --> 03:56:15,680
I I I'm concerned about

5094
03:56:15,680 --> 03:56:20,080
the ability to to continue to finance

5095
03:56:20,080 --> 03:56:25,040
and fund other programs and including public

5096
03:56:25,040 --> 03:56:28,800
safety is is uh if sales tax does does

5097
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:30,960
decline which I hope it doesn't happen.

5098
03:56:30,960 --> 03:56:33,359
But I hope we just flourish.

5099
03:56:33,359 --> 03:56:37,920
But we saw it happen in 2008 and I just

5100
03:56:37,920 --> 03:56:40,563
don't know what's going to happen.

5101
03:56:40,563 --> 03:56:43,520
[gasps] So

5102
03:56:43,520 --> 03:56:46,239
in conclusion,

5103
03:56:46,239 --> 03:56:49,680
that is why I I support the creation of

5104
03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:52,479
this of this um public safety special

5105
03:56:52,479 --> 03:56:54,800
revenue fund. It's a place, a secure

5106
03:56:54,800 --> 03:56:56,479
place that we can say this is where

5107
03:56:56,479 --> 03:56:59,359
we're going to put this. Do I recognize

5108
03:56:59,359 --> 03:57:02,960
that? Yes. Uh are there We got to be

5109
03:57:02,960 --> 03:57:04,560
careful with that. I think that our

5110
03:57:04,560 --> 03:57:06,479
residents cautioned us this evening on

5111
03:57:06,479 --> 03:57:08,800
that and reminded us that yeah, it can

5112
03:57:08,800 --> 03:57:10,640
make it easier to raise property taxes

5113
03:57:10,640 --> 03:57:12,319
in the future. We got to be very very

5114
03:57:12,319 --> 03:57:17,120
careful with that. And I do believe that

5115
03:57:17,120 --> 03:57:20,399
we need to raise our taxes

5116
03:57:20,399 --> 03:57:23,439
and raise this $450,000.

5117
03:57:23,439 --> 03:57:25,279
Appreciate the the idea. We could find

5118
03:57:25,279 --> 03:57:27,680
it. Yeah, we could find it in the

5119
03:57:27,680 --> 03:57:29,680
budget,

5120
03:57:29,680 --> 03:57:33,680
but I don't think that's healthy for the

5121
03:57:33,680 --> 03:57:37,359
long-term sustainability that I think we

5122
03:57:37,359 --> 03:57:40,080
as stewards of the community um are

5123
03:57:40,080 --> 03:57:43,120
looking for. So,

5124
03:57:43,120 --> 03:57:46,064
that's those are my thoughts.

5125
03:57:46,064 --> 03:57:48,160
[snorts] And so, all of us, anyone else

5126
03:57:48,160 --> 03:57:51,279
want to say anything before we we need

5127
03:57:51,279 --> 03:57:52,720
um I really don't want to stay here for

5128
03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:54,080
another two hours. We don't need to stay

5129
03:57:54,080 --> 03:57:56,960
until midnight. So, but any other

5130
03:57:56,960 --> 03:58:01,040
thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,

5131
03:58:01,040 --> 03:58:03,680
anything that you want to say before um

5132
03:58:03,680 --> 03:58:06,479
are we ready to make a motion of some

5133
03:58:06,479 --> 03:58:16,070
sort?

5134
03:58:16,080 --> 03:58:18,399
» Um, mayor, I can make a motion. All

5135
03:58:18,399 --> 03:58:21,199
right. Council member Mikum.

5136
03:58:21,199 --> 03:58:24,080
>> I move that the city council approve by

5137
03:58:24,080 --> 03:58:25,520
ordinance an increase to the property

5138
03:58:25,520 --> 03:58:27,680
tax rate approve and adopt the final

5139
03:58:27,680 --> 03:58:31,040
budget for fiscal year 2026 2027

5140
03:58:31,040 --> 03:58:32,640
including the levy of property tax

5141
03:58:32,640 --> 03:58:34,239
sufficient to increase ongoing property

5142
03:58:34,239 --> 03:58:38,399
tax revenues by $450,000 per year. Adopt

5143
03:58:38,399 --> 03:58:40,080
the dedication of the general operations

5144
03:58:40,080 --> 03:58:41,520
portion of the city of Orm's property

5145
03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:43,359
tax levy to the public safety special

5146
03:58:43,359 --> 03:58:45,840
revenue fund. Adopt compensation

5147
03:58:45,840 --> 03:58:47,600
programs. Adopt the fees and charges

5148
03:58:47,600 --> 03:58:50,080
schedule. Adopt the franchise tax,

5149
03:58:50,080 --> 03:58:52,239
municipal energy sales and use tax,

5150
03:58:52,239 --> 03:58:53,840
telecommunications license tax,

5151
03:58:53,840 --> 03:58:58,479
transient room tax, and E 911 rates.

5152
03:58:58,479 --> 03:59:00,720
>> Right. Thank you. We have a motion.

5153
03:59:00,720 --> 03:59:01,520
>> Second.

5154
03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:04,239
>> All right. Council member Kilpacs the

5155
03:59:04,239 --> 03:59:06,880
motion. Council, is there any further

5156
03:59:06,880 --> 03:59:10,800
discussion before we take a vote?

5157
03:59:10,800 --> 03:59:12,239
Seeing none. Okay. I'm going to start

5158
03:59:12,239 --> 03:59:14,880
the vote. I'll vote I. Council member

5159
03:59:14,880 --> 03:59:16,640
Pro Tim Lamson.

5160
03:59:16,640 --> 03:59:22,479
>> I

5161
03:59:22,479 --> 03:59:25,199
>> nay.

5162
03:59:25,199 --> 03:59:27,920
>> All right. Thank you. The motion carries

5163
03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:30,319
and uh 52.

5164
03:59:30,319 --> 03:59:32,720
So, thank you council. I know you've

5165
03:59:32,720 --> 03:59:35,439
spent a lot of time working on this and

5166
03:59:35,439 --> 03:59:37,439
studying and listening and I I really

5167
03:59:37,439 --> 03:59:40,080
appreciate appreciate what you've what

5168
03:59:40,080 --> 03:59:42,319
you've done and the executive staff.

5169
03:59:42,319 --> 03:59:44,239
Thank you. and residents. Thank you as

5170
03:59:44,239 --> 03:59:46,000
well. Appreciate you being here this

5171
03:59:46,000 --> 03:59:49,439
evening. With that, I would entertain

5172
03:59:49,439 --> 03:59:51,279
Oh, I know this isn't on the agenda. Do

5173
03:59:51,279 --> 03:59:53,359
you have any announcements,

5174
03:59:53,359 --> 03:59:55,840
Mr. Bye?

5175
03:59:55,840 --> 04:00:00,160
>> Uh, no announcements. Just uh uh I can

5176
04:00:00,160 --> 04:00:03,120
recommmit publicly that we will as as

5177
04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:05,120
staff and as an organization do

5178
04:00:05,120 --> 04:00:07,600
everything we can to provide the the the

5179
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:12,160
best value to our ORM residents. And uh

5180
04:00:12,160 --> 04:00:15,439
despite the the seriousness and and

5181
04:00:15,439 --> 04:00:17,120
heaviness and importance of of your

5182
04:00:17,120 --> 04:00:20,000
decision uh tonight and the subject, I I

5183
04:00:20,000 --> 04:00:22,319
do want to say that I did find out that

5184
04:00:22,319 --> 04:00:26,479
by moving to ORM that uh my my property

5185
04:00:26,479 --> 04:00:30,000
tax bill is going down by more than half

5186
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:33,600
per uh square foot. So just

5187
04:00:33,600 --> 04:00:36,479
so uh yeah, ORM gives a a great great

5188
04:00:36,479 --> 04:00:38,800
rate, great value, and uh we'll continue

5189
04:00:38,800 --> 04:00:40,640
to do everything we can to maintain

5190
04:00:40,640 --> 04:00:41,120
that.

5191
04:00:41,120 --> 04:00:43,359
>> All right. Thank you. I entertain a

5192
04:00:43,359 --> 04:00:44,880
motion to adjurnn.

5193
04:00:44,880 --> 04:00:46,399
>> I have a motion to adjurnn. We have a

5194
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:47,520
motion. Is there a second?

5195
04:00:47,520 --> 04:00:48,080
>> Second.

5196
04:00:48,080 --> 04:00:49,840
>> A second. All those in favor, please say

5197
04:00:49,840 --> 04:00:52,880
I. I. Any opposed? All right. We stand

5198
04:00:52,880 --> 04:00:56,560
adjourned. Thank you.