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Good afternoon, I'll call the meeting to order. I could have a motion to approve the agenda, please. Moved by Councillor Cheddar Chuck, second by- Sorry, there's an agenda. I'm sorry. Motion to approve the agenda with the agenda. Moved by Councillor Cheddar Chuck, second by Councillor Smith. Any discussion? All those in favor? Motion is carried. The purpose of this meeting is to provide council with updates and an opportunity for discussion with representatives from Lake Ed University and Royal Soldier Memorial Hospital regarding Lake

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The Medicaid University expansion plans and the hospital's redevelopment planning efforts.

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Are there any disclosures of interest on the topic?

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Now noted, if anything come up during the course of conversation, please advise.

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We'll deal with the report now, Ms. Pestic, could you put the motion in please?

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Thank you, Mayor McKisic.

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The motion reads as follows that as recommended in report, MC2618 dated August 4th,

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26 from Mayor McKisic.

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The return fund transfer structure set out in the report be endorsed in principle as the city's preferred and

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constructive approach to the new hospital and the university Avenue lands comprising.

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One, the return of the 25 acres from Lakehead University to the city for

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nominal consideration of $1, consistent with the development agreement.

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The 2016 amendment and the registered right at first refusal.

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Two, a city and Lakehead campus partnership providing up to $15 million toward Lakeheads,

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are really academic building as milestone-based contributions with provisions and a covenant

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against any further disposition of the remaining lands and three, a city and a really

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soldier's memorial hospital site arrangement granting the hospital immediate site control

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to advance its stage 1.3 planning and conveyance of the site to the hospital at stage 2 of

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the ministry's capital process for $1 and a return of the land to the city if the hospital

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is not built.

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And that staff be directed to provide a copy of this structure to Lakehead University and

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really is Soldiers Memorial Hospital as the city's constructive proposal and that staff

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be directed to secret and confirmation from the Ministry of Health and Infrastructure

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Ontario that city provided site control satisfies stage 1.3 and that conveyance at stage

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2 is acceptable and that staff be directed to obtain an independent appraisal of the 25 acres

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for which $9,000 is hereby authorized from the tax rate stabilization reserve and that staff

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be directed to liaison with representatives of Lake Head University and really is Soldiers

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memorial hospital to prepare heads of terms and as required draft agreements to give effect

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to the structure and to report back to council for its further consideration and approval.

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And then a coordinating working group with Lakehead University, Aurelia Soldiers Memorial

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Hospital and City of Aurelia Representatives be constituted to add details to the heads

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of terms and as required draft agreements to give effect to the structure and to report

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back to council board of directors of Aurelia Soldiers Memorial Hospital and board of governors

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of Lakehead University for further consideration and approval.

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Okay. Thank you for that. Could I have a mover and seconder, please?

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Moved by Councillor Smith, seconded by Councillor Sepola.

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I have a quick introductory statement since of my report.

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And let me be plain because this deserves plain.

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Everyone in this room wants the same three things.

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The hospital bill, excuse me, the hospital bill, the campus grown and the public's rights respected.

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it. The proposal brought to us by our partners buys the first two by giving up the third.

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The constructed proposal before you tonight gets all three. Return, fund, transfer.

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Lakehead returns to 25 acres that never built on for $1.

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Exactly as our agreement always moved this land. The city funds Lakehead's building up to

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15 million over ten years earn milestone by milestone. The partnership the

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county has already shown us and the city hands us this hospital its site for

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one dollar one dollar not 15 to 25 million of this community's donations spent

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buying back land we already gave away once one dollar so every dollar a

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Millions raised goes into beds and operating rooms, not into the ground beneath them.

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Some say the sale costs the city nothing.

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Friends, the hospital money is your money.

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The province pays for everything except land.

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The choice was never 15 million versus zero.

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It is the same money spent with the land gone forever, or invested with the land in your hands, and every dollar earned.

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I am not running again. There is no election for me in this room and nothing here I win.

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There is only what we leave behind. A hospital, a university, and the land deal that respects

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the intent of the initial transaction, all three. That is the motion before you. I request

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you to pass it.

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Now to the Willow Council, I understand that Dr. Siddhal has a statement.

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I'm not sure if you want to hear the statement first or you have questions or amendments.

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Statement first.

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Sure.

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Actually, why don't we deal with, are there any amendments to the motion at this point?

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Councillor Smith has a map.

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Let's deal with the amendment then we have the full motion before us.

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Councillor Smith.

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Thank you and through you, Christine, you have the amendment.

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For line item two, where we discuss providing partnership up to 15 million, I would like to see that change to 1 million.

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at the end of the day, the municipality and the really taxpayers are not responsible for funding.

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I believe growth should pay for growth, so I think that a $1 million contribution is more than fair.

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So are you moving that? Do we have a seconder?

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Councilor Spola, a second. Discussion or comments? Councilor Spola?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I seconded to get it on the table. I just want an explanation what this actually does to the motion. Are we taking away the $15 million from Lakehead? Or is that what this motion does? The amendment?

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Yes, through you. Yes, this is dealing with the gift to Lakehead, the funding of Lakehead.

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So what this motion does is not to give them the 15 million, correct?

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Correct. It's to replace it 15 million with 1 million.

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Okay. Any other questions?

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Okay, let's vote on the amendment is tabled. All those in favor?

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All those opposed?

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So let's count that again opposed to five.

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Okay, the motion is lost.

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Now, to the will of council, do you want to hear from Dr. Siddhal?

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Do you have questions?

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Dr. Siddhal?

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Dr. Siddhal, I understand if you have a statement you want to

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come forward and give it to us.

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That's fine.

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Good afternoon and thank you, Mayor and members of council for

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convening this meeting on August 5th, 2026 and for the

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opportunity to address you directly.

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The decision before council as I see it, the current

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motion, notwithstanding, is whether under the existing development agreement to consent

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to Lakehead University's proposed sale of approximately 25 acres of its arreality campus

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to a really a soldier's memorial hospital or OSMH, on-term satisfactory to Lakehead and

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OSMH.

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The subject lands our OSMH's preferred site for its future campus of care.

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layer. Lakehead proposes to sell the subject lands to OSMH and reinvest 100% of the proceeds

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in the Aurelia campus through the construction of a new academic building. That has always

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been Lakehead's intended use of the proceeds and we remain firmly committed to that.

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This proposal has the potential to create significant opportunity for Aurelia comprised

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of an integrated expanded campus where a new regional hospital and a growing university

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strengthen one another for generations.

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With the city's support, Lake Ridge University and OSMH can advance education, healthcare,

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research, community development, and employment well beyond either project on its own.

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We recognize that a proposal of this significance has generated broad public discussion.

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including public statements, media coverage and questions and concerns raised by members of council, city staff and members of the community.

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We respect that discussion and recognize the importance of public consideration.

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Today, however, the specific question is whether council will consent to the proposed sale under the development agreement.

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We are pleased to address any questions that will assist council in the decision before

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it today.

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Lakehead and OSMH have each invested in Aurelia and remain committed to long-term investment

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and growth in Aurelia.

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This proposal would allow that growth to proceed through a collaboration between Lakehead University

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and OSMH.

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When universities and hospitals grow together, students learn where care is delivered.

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Research becomes more connected to community needs.

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Employers gain access to a stronger workforce.

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Innovation accelerates.

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Communities become healthier, more resilient, and more attractive places to live and work.

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This is the opportunity before Aurelia.

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With Council's consent, Lakehead and OSMH can continue advancing the proposed transaction

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of purchase and sale of the subject lands.

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Without that consent, the proposal cannot proceed as contemplated.

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We respectfully ask Council to support the consent required under the development agreement.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Dr. Siddell.

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I wonder two points, if I may.

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You mentioned that you wanted the sale to proceed on term satisfactory to the

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Lakehead University and Soldiers Memorial Hospital.

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The city is part of this.

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Did you purposefully omit that, or is that just a small oversight?

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Your microphone's not on.

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There we go.

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Mr. Mayor, it's not an oversight.

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Obviously, the city is a key player in this and that the consent of the city is required

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for this sale to proceed.

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You mentioned it's your intention to reinvest the proceeds in the community.

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That's not the same as an obligation.

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Would you have an objection to turning that into an obligation instead of an intention?

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We would be happy to write that into a settlement agreement that that is our commitment.

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Okay.

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And then your statement was that the proposal cannot proceed as contemplated.

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that's true. I think the only thing that can proceed is the one thing your deed was

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written to prevent and that's an unconditional sale. And everyone else, the planning,

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the site, the funding, the partnership can begin this afternoon if we agree with the proposal

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I have on the table.

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Any objection to the proposal?

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Yes, I have concerns about the proposal.

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It gives you, I mean, I wouldn't, soldiers can speak for themselves, but instead of spending $15 to $25 million on land, they get it for a dollar.

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I think they would find that attractive.

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They'll speak for themselves.

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And for the lake head, you get the money you need to build the building.

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And to protect Arilia, which is the third element here that you've admitted, we need to make sure we're protected in terms of conditions.

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What I would say in response to that is absolutely the hospital can speak to their own concerns

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about the proposal today.

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The proposal today is not something that's contemplated by the legal agreement between

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Lakehead University and the city of Aurelia.

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It proposes to engage in some kind of settlement outside that context.

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The land that Lakehead owns that is the issue at hand is an asset that the Lakehead University

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Board of Governors has a responsibility to steward and not simply to give away.

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And what we are proposing is that that asset would be converted from a land asset into a

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different kind of asset which would be a new building, which would very much be in the public

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But good, it allows a really campus to grow, to bring in more students, to expand the

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impact, the very positive impact that we know Lakehead has had on this city over 20 years.

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And it would allow us to do that immediately.

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Okay, I would note you're not the only party in the room that has a responsibility for

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stewardship over assets and not giving them way.

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The city's got that same responsibility,

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okay?

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Any other questions from council?

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Councillor Dernford. Thank you. Thank you. Through you, Mayor McKisic.

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So we have had a letter from Mayor McKisic this morning and he has also expressed his

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concerns with an unconditional sale. And I think all members of council would share

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that concern. And just for absolute clarity, is it, is Lakehead willing to accept conditions

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on the sale that would bind it to investing the proceeds of the sale only into a campus

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expansion in the city of Aurelia?

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Yes. In terms of agreement document, we would be willing to do that. I should be clear

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that the conditions, the kind of performance metrics that are entertained in the motion

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that's currently on the floor would not be something we would be open to, but we are

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very experienced in making these kinds of commitments to different funding bodies,

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the government for example, or donors.

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So yes, we're quite happy to write that into a settlement agreement because that is our

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intention. It has always been our intention. We need a new building on that campus or we cannot grow

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and this is a way for us to make that happen expeditiously.

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Council Member, go ahead.

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Thank you and I'm just looking at the schedule A which I believe is maybe what you're referring to

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but just maybe for all of us through you, Mayor McKisak, could you expand on the conditions that you

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referenced in terms of milestones and performance targets.

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Thank you. Through the mayor, the motion is currently defined as going to the details

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of those metrics, but there have been other documents shared with us by the CAO that

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go into a great deal of detail about those metrics, including control over academic programming.

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That's not something we can agree to, our Senate decides on academic programming.

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So we can't agree to things that are within the purview of our Senate or our board,

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but we can certainly agree to where the proceeds will go.

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Councillor Dernford.

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Thank you just as a follow-up.

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So you are saying that Lake Head has received details about metrics, proposed metrics that have not been shared with Council.

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Council.

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I'm pleased.

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Your Worship, I can answer that question.

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Every question that has been sent to Lakehead has been provided to Council through a CIP.

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Council Member, any more?

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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I'm aware of all of the questions that have been sent to Lakehead, but just asking for clarity

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around the milestones and the metrics that are proposed and what those are.

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Or I am not aware, and perhaps I've missed them, but I'm not aware of those details being shared with council.

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I'm on a trade.

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Through your worship, once again, every document that Leicad hasn't claimed confidentiality upon has been shared with council either to my report or through the subsequent CIPs.

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Just

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said, further, probably a bit, Dr. Sadell, just curious as to why you're not open to the conditions.

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I mean, I understand the academic conditions, we're not going to tell you to have a reading, writing, arithmetic class.

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I mean, that's your call, but to build the building.

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I mean, the governance that we initially, the city initially got 20 years ago, that's something changed there and that didn't happen.

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really has had with YMCA and other groups have had issues.

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I mean, we contract with a guy who's going to pay the roads.

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We say, here's the money and here are the conditions.

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I mean, that's standard, I would think.

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But you struggle with it?

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I wouldn't say I struggle with it, and I'm not sure that negotiating

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that level of what might go in a settlement agreement is helpful.

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In this context, certainly when we have, as I said, when we've received money from other

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bodies, there are expectations around the use of that money.

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I'm also, I guess, not clear whether we're talking about this in terms of the motion,

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a motion that would support what we are asking for or whether we're talking about it in the

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context of the motion that's on the floor.

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Those are two very different things in my mind.

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But the motion on the floor advocates getting a group together to define precisely what that is.

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The motion on the floor.

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Mr. Mayor, the motion on the floor proposes to give us up to $20 million over a 10-year period with certain performance metrics in place.

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Okay.

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No final so far?

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Well, it's very different from a motion that would allow us to sell the land to the hospital

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immediately and use those proceeds immediately.

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We're looking at the difference between us building a new desperately needed academic building

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within the near future.

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I just met with architects this morning that work is well underway to looking at building

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at 10 years from now.

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I'm quite sure, Dr. Selle, we could work with you on the timeline of the payments,

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but you couldn't possibly sit here expecting the city to give you $15 to $25 million and call a good,

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no conditions.

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Well, I'm not suggesting the city should give us any money.

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I'm suggesting that the city should approve the sale of the land from the university to the hospital.

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Well, the assist with you getting the money, I mean, it's the same thing.

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I mean, the city would like some sort of condition on the transaction so

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that we can make sure that the money doesn't.

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Go to Thunder Bay. It doesn't go to another location. Mr. Mayor have already committed to saying that we would agree to language in a settlement agreement that all of the proceeds would go to building a new building on the early campus. That's what the respect, Dr. Sidel, that's an intention not an obligation. And we're here about obligation. We want to make sure that what we say is what we do. With respect, Mr. Mayor, I think a settlement agreement is an obligation. I would agree.

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And therefore, I think the motion, as it stands, provides both of us and the hospital as well.

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The third party with what we need, I mean, the hospital gets a loan for a dollar, $1.

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You get what you need, and the city gets the conditions that we would naturally require.

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Any other questions from Councilor?

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Councilor Suppola, then Councillor Follas.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I had a conversation with Mr. Kirby, Art Clerk, and one of the things I'm really concerned about is the disposition of the $15 million or $20, whatever that number may be.

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So my question to Mr. Kirby was, can we put that $15 million in a trust account for Lakehead, and as you progress, as you're building, you do the foundations, you need a million dollars, you write your check for million dollars.

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If this I as our mayor said I don't want the money to go to Thunder Bay or to bury I want the money as you know

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I was one of the first ones involved with trying to bring Lake head from Thunder Bay down here

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So I think it's really important that we work with Lake head and the hospital to make sure that both things happen

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But I'm concerned about the funds

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that the original tax payers will give. And that is, as your building progresses,

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you ask the city, send a bill to the city for a million dollars or two million dollars.

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So, Mr. Kirby, can you help me out a little bit and say, is that outlined in the motion

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that's on the table or do we need an amendment for it? That is, money being put in trust

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only for Lakehead.

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Through

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your worship, Councillor, I believe our conversation, what I advised was that that was in the report by the CAO that was heard at our last council meeting, that he had proposed escrow conditions as decision C as part of his report.

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I do not know at present how to modify this current resolution as it stands in order to introduce trust conditions into it.

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I have to say that it can't be done, but I can't speak to that immediately.

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Again, the context within our last conversation, I believe, was me referring to the CAO with report.

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Any

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suggestions and ideas that council or members of council have if the motion before council

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proceeds, there's an avenue for that, which is through the Coordination Committee, which

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most likely will have members of council on there and also representatives of the other

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partner organizations, and the discussions that do what the specifics are, what the God

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Reels are, what the timing, I think that those sorts of questions are best answered through

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those collaborative discussions.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Julie.

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Noted.

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It comes small anymore.

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Yes.

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I'm just wondering if would you accept that condition in the agreement that the money we put

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of interest, and as you progress in the construction of your buildings, the money would be given back to you.

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If we're talking about the motion on the floor, I can't support the motion on the floor.

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Lake, I should just be very clear about that.

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Lakehead University is not going to support the conditions articulated in that motion.

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My board will not support them.

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So, I'm not sure how to answer, through the mayor, I'm not sure how to answer your question, Councillor.

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It's something we could talk about in the context of another motion, perhaps.

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I do.

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Do you want to define the conditions you would remove, Dr. Sitel?

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Pardon me, Mr. Mayor?

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Like you don't like conditions.

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You don't like them all.

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You don't like one of them.

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You don't like two of them.

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Which one?

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I would like to see this proceed through the mechanism of the existing development agreement

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and not a process that is completely outside of that agreement.

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This does not outside the development agreement.

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This abides by the development agreement because it respects that.

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Well, I respectfully disagree with that.

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You're entitled to your opinion.

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Councillor Sipola, any more?

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Councillor Follas?

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Not right now, Mr. Mayor.

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Thanks.

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And then Councillor the Chair, I did want to start by really saying thank you to the

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representative from Lakehead for joining us.

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We really appreciate the time and appreciate how big a

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deal this is. The question I guess I had for you, no problem. The question I had for you was,

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could you speak maybe a bit more in detail in terms of what you see as the potential benefit

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of having the hospital close to Lakehead University on campus? What are maybe some specifics that

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can be provided. I've had many residents reach out to me asking about the potential of medical

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school or nurse training. Any information would certainly be helpful. Thank you.

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Thank you. Through the mayor, happy to speak to that and I believe I spoke to this in a deputation

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that I presented to council back in June. I think that the synergies that will come from these

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to organizations being co-located are tremendous.

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So certainly in terms of programming, we can't, as I was saying earlier, I can't guarantee

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what programs will emerge, but our dean of health and behavioral sciences is very focused

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on this, looking at maybe having our Kinesiology program be offered down here.

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It would only make sense for us to continue to think about what health programming could

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be offered here in addition to what we already offer that would provide tremendous

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synergies with the hospital.

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There's also research opportunities which can be incredibly generative, and I see that

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being a wonderful opportunity, work placements, internships, I think it goes on.

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But then I think there's also the piece of what it would do to the Aurelia campus.

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So, we have always seen the Aurelia campus and the Thunder Bay campus as being community-oriented

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campuses.

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They, in Thunder Bay, it grew out of community just as it did in Aurelia because citizens

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of those cities saw the value of having a university in their city and it was transformational

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in Thunder Bay and it's been transformational in Aurelia.

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And so I think it's part of a greater vision of continuing to develop the campus in that way.

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So it's not an ivory tower university that's high up on a hill and that most citizens

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never go to.

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It is a bustling thriving campus where healthcare is co-located with higher education and at

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At some point we hope in the near future and the athletics facility, people will want

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to come on to campus, people will come on to campus, and it will be, it will be a

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tremendous thing that is going to outlive all of us in this room.

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Lakehead as a campus will continue to grow, the hospital will be built, and will thrive,

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and the synergies between the two will just grow and expand.

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Councillor Dernford is next, then Councillor Lauer.

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So it's sounding to me like the sticking point, the disagreement is in the manner of

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the transfer of the lands and that Lakehead and Soldiers maintain that they are in favor

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up a direct sale with conditions and that the city is

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positing to kind of broker that through this the city

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re-acquiring the land and then giving it to soldiers

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with a $1 agreement and contributing the $15 million.

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So two questions for you because I am hearing and I

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I understand that both Lake Head and soldiers are quite willing to have conditions on the sale.

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What do we get soldiers at the table to check that out?

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That's a supposition at this point.

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That would be great.

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If my question is,

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what is the sticking point?

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What is the advantage from the perspective of Lake Head and soldiers of a direct sale with conditions

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conditions over the mayor's proposal, and what are the conditions that Lake Head and

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soldiers are willing to agree to?

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Shall I begin through the mayor?

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The sticking point for us, first of all, I just think it's always better to use a legal

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agreement in hand rather than try to come up with ways to work outside of that agreement.

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And this process is, I think, cleaner for both organizations.

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The money is transferred directly from one to the other, not through a third party.

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We would be able to use the proceeds of the sale of the land immediately towards building

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a new building that is well underway, as I said, I met with architects this morning.

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That money would also put us in a strong position to apply for the built community's strong fund which would also help us build that building and so that is the sticking point if you like for us.

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But if you had access to the funds faster, would that resolve the sticking point?

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That feels like a hypothetical question.

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It's a question I mean.

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Mr. Mayor that I don't know how to answer.

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Sure. Well, you could say yes or no. I mean, at the end of the day, if we got to the money faster, does that help?

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You have suggested that's an obstacle. We're trying to deal with the obstacles. And if we deal with that obstacle and you pull up another one, then I mean, what are the obstacles is what I think was Councillor Durnford's question and what are they, if it's getting the money faster, if we resolve that, does that solve your problem? To me, it does. And I want you to agree to that or disagree.

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I can't agree or disagree to that, it's something we would be open to considering, depending on how that offer is put forward to us.

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Okay, fair enough. Councillor Verna, do you have any other questions?

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Go ahead.

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Well, yes, so I was hoping to hear from both Lakehead and OSMH, and then the second part of my question was, I believe that Lakehead and Soldiers have posited that they are willing to accept certain conditions.

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And I'm wondering if you could outline what those conditions would be, that you would be willing to accept.

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Through the mayor, absolutely, the hospital acknowledges that there is a covenant in place.

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And the spirit of that covenant would be something of the effect of the land being returned to lay catcher to hospital, not be built.

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I think that would be one of the primary protections that would be in scope for this conversation, we're certainly open to that.

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Mr. Roberts, just since you've joined us for the record, would your preference be to pay the

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city a dollar for the land or to pay Lake Ed the 20 or 25 million? Through the mayor, I think that's

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a misrepresentation of the funding formula and the way the House of Representatives would.

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I think the most important point of this conversation earlier you mentioned about the land being funded

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by the taxpayers of the city that is inaccurate. The funds for the purchase are currently in the bank

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I think account of the hospital.

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And where did those funds come from?

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They came through hospital operations, not doner dollars.

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The hospital has the money making machine at the base fund.

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I mean, these are taxpayer funds.

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They're the chair point of order.

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I go ahead, let Mr. Roberts answer first.

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Mr. Roberts, the question is fairly simple.

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It's, you've got 20 million, 25 million, pick a number in the bank.

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You want to spend that on the land, or do you want to spend a dollar?

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So through the matter, I think the inherent element missing here is the conversation

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of local share, which we clearly articulated in our deputation is part of our 1.3

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planning and work in front of us.

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So to talk about the value of the land in terms of net proceeds to the hospital and absence

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of local share, I believe is a misrepresentation of the total funding formula.

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Definitely not a misrepresentation of local share, which has not yet been discussed or determined.

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But the question is simple, and if you don't want to answer it, maybe we've got 68 questions

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You haven't answered either, so I guess this is 69.

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As we communicated to the CAO, we are happy to answer those questions.

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Why didn't you?

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We offered them in writing at least two times and didn't get a single response to any of

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the questions.

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Through the mayor, I think as we've heard in other comments today, the context is important.

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Active dialogue would be the best way to appropriately set that context.

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Do you want to go through the 60 questions right now?

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Would you like to answer them now or are you not going to answer them?

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Through the mayor, we are here at the will of council.

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We're good. Any other questions or comments at this point?

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Councilor Lauer.

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Thanks, Mayor Ocaizic.

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Miss O'Neill, thanks for coming, by the way, everybody.

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You mentioned earlier in your presentation or your preamble that this kind of arrangement is not new to a university.

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universities do this all the time. There's mechanisms internally, and I think that of...

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Certainly, listening to the general public, that's a huge concern for them. They have this, we've just had an experience with Georgian College that didn't go well and we've had other experiences. So, the folks I'm hearing from, or a lot of folks I'm hearing from are concerned with that. And the more reassurance we can, we can get the better. But could you just go over the mechanism, the internal mechanism that would govern these funds within the university and the restricted reserve?

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So I'm going to invite my VP Administration of Finance, Kathy Pazahun, who's on screen to respond to that because she's closer to those kinds of mechanisms than I am.

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Okay, go ahead.

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Thank you for the question and good afternoon everyone.

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Our Board of Governors will have oversight of restricted reserves within the university's financial systems and would impose restrictions for these of those funds.

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So that would completely satisfy the council's concern about whether these funds are directed towards

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really a campus extension. The Board of Governors would ensure that happens.

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Councilor Lara?

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So would that come out of this proposed or whatever ends up being proposed?

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Discussion with the three parties on how that's going to work.

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You mentioned, I don't know what you call it, not an illegal agreement, but an agreement.

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That process would define that clearly and people could take some comfort in there.

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Yes, that's right.

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So for example, when we get a pot of money from the government, say, to build a new barn for

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our veterinary partnership with the OVC in Guelph, and Kathy, again, can speak to this.

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There's lots of paperwork around that to make sure that those funds get spent as they

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should be.

436
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
And Mr. Mayor, if Kathy could speak to that.

437
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:11,600
I'm sorry, Mr. Lastenauds.

438
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:15,340
Just asking if Kathy can add to my answer.

439
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:15,540
Please.

440
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Well, I think in addition, as President Siddhal mentioned earlier, I think the university

441
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:29,500
is very willing to negotiate a minutes of settlement of some sort that would then satisfy

442
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:36,320
the councillors' concern that the funds that we would receive through the land transaction

443
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,600
directly with soldiers would be protected for campus expansion only.

444
00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:49,090
Any other questions?

445
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:49,530
Anybody?

446
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:52,130
I have one further question.

447
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:56,550
And Terry McKinnon's board chair, I'd ask you the same question I asked Mr.

448
00:47:56,770 --> 00:48:03,710
Robert, in terms of, you know, for the hospital and the communities, it better to spend the 15 to $25 million or spend the dollar.

449
00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:12,030
The board has not had a discussion since our last meeting with regards to the proposal that you have put forth.

450
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:17,130
I think the terms under which that transfer of a dollar is important to know.

451
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:27,130
For example, it is mentioned in the document that a long-term lease may be offered, and that something we are not willing to accept.

452
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:35,850
So if the transfer for a dollar is the lease that you were referring to in the document, then I think that is a non-starter for our board.

453
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:43,350
Well, I think the only condition the city would have, and I'm not speaking for council, I just speak for myself, but would be that you build a hospital.

454
00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:53,350
I mean, you don't decide to market that land to somebody else, and that, you know, you build it within a certain amount of time, 10-15 years, build a hospital and get yours to keep.

455
00:48:53,770 --> 00:49:01,770
I mean, those would be fairly simple conditions. I don't think anyone would have any difficulty with that. Is that something you want to check with your board with before you make a final determination in?

456
00:49:02,850 --> 00:49:06,650
As to whether we would accept ownership after the hospital has been built?

457
00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:36,630
No, you would have ownership immediately, we'd sell it to you for a dollar, and that would prevent, like right now, if you have to spend, pick the number 15 to 25 million, you have to spend it now, you could conserve that cash, you wouldn't have to spend it at all, you'd have ownership of the land, you can do all the planning you wanted to, you'd be able to proceed as necessary, and then if you did not build the hospital, then in some period of time, we'd agree to 15, 25 years, whatever, the land would have revert to the city because we wouldn't want to lose that, and that you wouldn't be able to sell it to somebody else, and I don't think you're intentional.

458
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:40,590
would be to sell to anybody else, so I don't know those would be two arduous conditions.

459
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:48,290
At this point, we need to move forward in order to continue our stage 1.3.

460
00:49:48,670 --> 00:49:58,510
So, you know, some type of agreement that delays or creates a reflection point in 10 or

461
00:49:58,510 --> 00:50:02,590
15 years as regards to what happens with that land, I think, is problematic for us.

462
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:07,550
Okay, I mean, the way this motion is, it gives you exactly that as it frees you to move forward.

463
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:17,070
It frees the lake head to move forward and everyone can go about their business and do all the planning and necessary stuff you need to do, so I think we're fine any other comments Dr.

464
00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:27,290
Council falls thanks through the chair just on that note. Could we get just further explanation in terms of what the concerns

465
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:37,810
Of the board would be around a long-term lease. Thanks. I'm going to ask Tom Robert's answer that question. Thank you

466
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:53,110
The motion before council does not contemplate a long-term lease, it looks for a transfer, once the due diligence is completed, stage 1.3.

467
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:08,260
Through the mayor, our primary concern with the motion on the floor is that it does not provide us the contractual assurance of the land that we would want to have at this point in time.

468
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:12,980
I think what was referenced in another conversation was a comfort letter with transfer

469
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:17,060
happening at a later point in time. Our legal counsel has been clear that in order

470
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:22,140
for this to move forward, we require an act of counsel, and that is consent to the deal

471
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:26,780
between Lakehead and OSMH, and that is what we are looking to pursue. I would also add

472
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:30,740
just as clarification to the earlier communications regarding calling what's

473
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:34,940
project. I don't believe anyone here has spoken to them outside the conversations

474
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:40,660
I have had, they did establish a contract with the land owner at Stage 1.3.

475
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:45,080
They gave them that assurance to transfer the land once they reach the appropriate

476
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,780
stage. That is what we are looking to do with Lakehead.

477
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:52,880
Have the assurance that should all the due diligence and planning come to fruition

478
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,320
that we would then have access to the land.

479
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,700
Anything short of Council consenting to the deal that we would like to put together,

480
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:08,820
There is no deal at present, but any short of council consenting to the 25 acres of land being removed from the covenant impacts the work that we need to do.

481
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:29,910
I'm on the pre-trainership, the motion before council actually removes all those obstacles, it actually looks to provide the land to the hospital for $1 rather than at fair market value of $15 to $25 million and the consent becomes irrelevant.

482
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:34,690
I think that's exactly the point I was going to make as well.

483
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:38,110
I mean, you have the land at this point for a dollar under those conditions.

484
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:41,170
And there's nothing that stops you from proceeding.

485
00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:44,870
You do not require full ownership of the land at this moment.

486
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:47,570
But if you have it for a dollar, you've got it and you move forward.

487
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:51,250
And nothing would stop you except yourself.

488
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:54,310
So through the mayor respectfully, that is not the advice we have of council.

489
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:56,110
Well, could you share that advice with us?

490
00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:00,970
You said that's not the advice you have?

491
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:02,810
Could you share it with us?

492
00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:04,210
That is not the advice we have of Council.

493
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:10,510
I'm a little confused, could you share that advice with us so we know what you're talking about,

494
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:14,510
Mr. Roberts?

495
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:16,950
I've asked you the question.

496
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:21,270
Could you share, you said you've got, that's not the advice you have.

497
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:23,370
Would you like to have that conversation?

498
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:26,550
Could, could you share that advice that you have with us?

499
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:29,250
If, if you would like to have that conversation, we're more than happy.

500
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:30,330
We're here at the will of Council.

501
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:32,670
Okay, go ahead, we'd like to have that conversation.

502
00:53:34,330 --> 00:53:38,810
I'm asking Mr. Roberts and Mr. Fala-Shiro to order this one. Mr. Roberts, go ahead.

503
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,320
So, sorry, you would like us to have legal counsel present for a conversation.

504
00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:48,720
Well, I don't know. Can you generically share what they told you?

505
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,920
So, I mentioned it earlier. Our legal counsel has indicated that the act of counsel consenting

506
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,140
to the release of 25 acres from the Covenant is the path in which this transaction

507
00:54:00,140 --> 00:54:00,840
move forward.

508
00:54:01,820 --> 00:54:02,820
That's one path.

509
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Did you ask your counsel if there are other paths or other ways to do this?

510
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:09,940
I would just a quick follow-up if possible.

511
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,400
Councillor Fala sure out of order.

512
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:18,280
Through the mayor, so again, recognizing there is a agreement in place with Lake Head University,

513
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,420
as Lake Head is clearly stated, the intent of working within that existing contractual framework,

514
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,180
Leo counsel has indicated that is the path forward.

515
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:28,460
Okay. On my brief, then, Councillor Follas.

516
00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:35,860
So, your worship, there have been several mentions of the development agreement, and I assume

517
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:43,040
that is a reference to the amended development agreement of 2015, 2016, and how what needs

518
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,700
to happen has to happen within the framework.

519
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:53,600
That certainly is what staff advised in my report to council.

520
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:59,240
Council. And I want to be very clear and precise about what the agreement says. The agreement

521
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:06,100
provides lands to Lakehead University for one dollar, for university purposes. If there

522
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:12,580
is anything, you counsel through your worship, I heard somebody had a laugh about it, so

523
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:19,560
I invite that person to appear before council and let us know why that legal agreement is worth

524
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,140
laughing at.

525
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:22,860
Councillor Foss?

526
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:31,380
Thanks. I just follow-up on previous question. I just didn't mention to the long-term lease

527
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:38,060
that had been identified. I don't know if you're able to, can you identify kind of specific

528
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:41,720
concerns with going down that road? Thanks.

529
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,220
Through the mayors, I think there's a lot to be discussed around what would be the terms

530
00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:53,120
of the lease. What I can share is the one example provided in recent communication in the

531
00:55:53,120 --> 00:56:05,600
hospital. That is specific to an agreement with the crown. The land in which that hospital is being built is crowned land and to my understanding cannot be sold. And that is the rationale for the leases. It was the only permissible mechanism.

532
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:15,660
So again, we talked earlier, but taking the lease off the table so you'd be okay. The purchase option would work fine then without the leases. We're not worried about that.

533
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,900
Any other questions from council councilor Dianford?

534
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,080
Thank you.

535
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:26,640
Through you, Mayor McKisak, there's been a lot of discussion back and forth about conditions.

536
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:35,100
And it's sounding very much like if Lakehead and the city and soldiers were to sit down

537
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:43,800
together to iron out the conditions that they could come to an agreement.

538
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:52,200
I would note that there's been reference to a coordination committee, but that language

539
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,420
is not in the report or the motion that we have in front of us.

540
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,440
If there was an opportunity and a mechanism for the three parties to sit down together

541
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:09,700
to discuss those conditions, which was my understanding that this was the intention of this meeting

542
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:10,380
originally.

543
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:26,560
would Lakehead and the hospital be willing to consider the city's proposal of the $1 land transfer and the 15 million contribution.

544
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:39,800
If there was an opportunity and if it was written into the motion that the conditions would be determined jointly, would they be willing to entertain this proposal.

545
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Well, if those conditions were determined jointly.

546
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:48,520
So I just speak on behalf of the hospital and through the mayor.

547
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:59,900
In this scenario, it's unclear to me what the primary difference in the paths is other than the land being transferred from Lakehead to the city, then to the hospital.

548
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,120
We commit to having conditions, which I believe is a common intent, the protection of the public.

549
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:15,660
We commit to Lakehead receiving the funds and the hospital, the approach of the hospital purchasing the land.

550
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,100
It sounds as though that is where both are landing.

551
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,080
It is unclear to me at this point in time why the land has to transfer through the city.

552
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:35,080
And given some of the lack of clarity here, we be open to better understanding how that differs from a partnership between OSMH and

553
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:42,760
and Lakehead in alignment with the existing agreement that also provides the protection of the public that has been referenced here today.

554
00:58:43,860 --> 00:58:44,240
I'm afraid.

555
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,980
I'll go back to the conversation about the development agreement and the amended development agreement once again.

556
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,740
So what does that agreement say?

557
00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:04,020
The agreement says that the university cannot do a used deadline for anything other than university purpose unless they come back to the city for permission.

558
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:05,900
which they are before the city.

559
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:12,560
The other part of that agreement states that if there are lands that are excessed to

560
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,740
the needs of the University, and it's a defined term within that development agreement,

561
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:19,840
what that term excess lands means.

562
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:29,600
From what I logically understand from this conversation is that Leicad is before Council, it is stating

563
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:35,500
to council that 25 acres of those 85 acres are accessed to their needs.

564
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:42,070
The development agreement and the amended development agreement provide a mechanism

565
00:59:42,550 --> 00:59:45,430
on how excess lands are to be treated.

566
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:46,430
And it's a defined term.

567
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:52,510
And what it states is that, you know, if Lakehead isn't able to develop those lands till

568
00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:59,430
259 and I see that they've come to council a few years before 2059 and they have

569
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,780
Defide those lands are excess to their needs. Then what the development agreement and the amended development agreement states about it, which seems to be we keep on talking about there's a mechanism under the development agreement. The mechanism is that at any such time, the land shall be returned to the city for dollar one. So that is enshrined within the development agreement. What the report before council and the motion before council does it?

570
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:35,000
It actually works through the development agreement and the amended development agreement

571
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:41,880
and does exactly as it requires, which is return of the land that was provided for one

572
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,280
dollar back to the taxpayer for one dollar.

573
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:53,720
At the very same time, it recognizes that Leigh Ked is an important strategic partner for

574
01:00:53,720 --> 01:01:00,500
the city of Aurelia, and it has shared with Council that it needs more money to develop

575
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:02,820
and expand its operations.

576
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,160
The motion before Council does both of those things.

577
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:15,260
What it does is it honors the development agreement, the amended development agreement, without

578
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:17,440
taking anything away from Leigh Kelly.

579
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:24,240
Let us honor the agreement, and here is 15 million dollars that you absolutely require

580
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,020
for your expansion.

581
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,960
So it's not taken away from it.

582
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,800
And the development agreement is registered on title.

583
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:33,140
It is freely available.

584
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:44,120
It talks about the lakehead lands, undeveloped lakehead lands, and I invite everyone to have

585
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,920
have a look at the development agreement and see if what's proposed is in furtherance or

586
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,940
not in furtherance of the agreement.

587
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,000
Thank you for that. Dr. Selle, could you answer Councillor Dohern for his questions?

588
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,180
Go ahead. Yes, go ahead.

589
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:08,160
Thank you, Mayor McKisic. Through you to Omen Freak. The development agreement is a public

590
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:15,000
document correct. Do you have a copy of it in front of you? I just wondered if you could

591
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,860
share the via Zoom and have it up on the screen and point out the exact clauses that you're

592
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:28,300
referring to as you make the statements that you're making just so that everyone can see

593
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:29,360
what you're referring to, please.

594
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:31,840
Thank you, Your Worship.

595
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,740
If I could request that you move over to the next question, I'll pull the development agreement

596
01:02:35,740 --> 01:02:37,300
and head over to current even the meantime.

597
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:38,560
Okay.

598
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:40,840
Dr. Sadell?

599
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:43,260
Yes.

600
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:50,640
So Councillor Dernford asked a question earlier to both you and Mr. Roberts on whether you would

601
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,420
agree to sit jointly discuss the conditions. Is that something that you could agree to?

602
01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:58,560
Is that your essence or what you're saying, Councillor Dernford?

603
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:07,500
Thank you. I contextualized it. So I think yes, that is a question. Are you willing to sit jointly

604
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:12,700
and discuss the conditions and come to a common agreement? But I had asked the question

605
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:20,100
specifically with reference to the proposal that's before us, which would see the land transfer

606
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:27,320
in the $1 and the $15 million from the city. But I think both those questions are worth answering

607
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:33,540
for sure. Although I think we've heard clearly the answer from both Lake Head and the hospital

608
01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:41,080
that while they, and correct me if I'm if I'm wrong, while they are willing to sit down

609
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:46,020
and discuss conditions and are very open to conditions that both Lake Head and the hospital

610
01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:51,860
would prefer to see this proceed with a direct sale between Lake Head and the hospital

611
01:03:51,860 --> 01:03:56,540
with conditions as defined by the three parties. Is that correct?

612
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,680
That is correct. Thank you.

613
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,260
So that would be contrary to the development agreement then which stipulates the direct sale to the city?

614
01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:10,280
Well, it would, it's not contrary to the development agreement if the city agrees to the

615
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,040
conditions and to the sale.

616
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,600
As the development agreement sits now, it's contrary to it.

617
01:04:17,260 --> 01:04:17,780
Okay.

618
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,180
I don't think that it is.

619
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:25,160
Mayor McCosic, but I would be willing to hear how it would be contrary.

620
01:04:25,540 --> 01:04:32,220
Councillor Dunford, I think you raised an interesting point here on the conditions jointly being discussed

621
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:35,640
between certainly the University of Hospital and the City.

622
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,880
Are you prepared to make an amendment to the motion to include that?

623
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:47,640
I would certainly be prepared to make an amendment, but I don't see the value of an amendment

624
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,040
when Lake head in the hospital have stated clearly that they are not willing to accept this.

625
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:58,200
And so if council passes it, what I am hearing is that Lake head in the hospital will simply

626
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:06,660
walk away, essentially, and not agree to the terms. And please correct me if that isn't correct.

627
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:14,620
I'm also aware that there is an alternate motion that has been brought forward that is essentially

628
01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:20,740
the same conditions, but without the $1 land transfer and the $15 million coming from

629
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:29,300
city coffers and is instead a proposal to allow a direct sale between like add and soldiers

630
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,540
with conditions that are essentially the same as what the city is asking for.

631
01:05:33,540 --> 01:05:43,500
But I think Councillor Dernford would be fair, and if Dr. Selma, Mr. Roberts, if I mistake you, please advise, but you have agreed that there are some conditions you would agree to, is that correct?

632
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:45,580
Mr. Roberts?

633
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:58,480
I think we've both made it clear that there are conditions we would agree to if the land transaction were to occur within the mechanisms in the development agreement.

634
01:05:59,980 --> 01:06:03,840
which means return it to the city for a dollar. That's what the development agreement says.

635
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,860
Well, we respectfully disagree with that interpretation.

636
01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:09,500
It's words written on the piece of paper.

637
01:06:11,540 --> 01:06:18,960
But I think, again, I'm trying to get a common ground here, if the hospital and lakehead would agree to discuss the conditions.

638
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,820
Why wouldn't we move forward with that approach, Councillor Dunford?

639
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,360
Like, they've agreed to, they don't agree to all the conditions, they agreed to some of them.

640
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,200
We need to figure out which one those are and figure out where the common ground is.

641
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:38,660
I'm not disagreeing and everyone has agreed that sitting in a room and discussing the conditions is an excellent way forward.

642
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:43,580
But it is clear that the sticking point seems to be the interpretation of the development agreement.

643
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:54,500
And the city is, Mayor McCosic is contending that the development agreement requires the city to transact the deal.

644
01:06:54,500 --> 01:07:07,500
and lakehead and soldiers are contending, as I understand it, that the development agreement does not require the city to be the intermediary essentially.

645
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,600
So the agreement does not require one?

646
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:21,600
My understanding of the stated position of lakehead and soldiers is that the development agreement does not require the city to be the intermediary here.

647
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,220
that if the city is willing to sign off on the sale,

648
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:29,820
that the development agreement accounts for that.

649
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,880
That is my interpretation of what Lakehead and Soldiers

650
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:34,660
have to take.

651
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:35,820
I'll get on my sentence for your interpretation.

652
01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:38,080
Thank you very much.

653
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,700
I'd be happy to provide additional legal interpretation

654
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:42,020
to Council in closed session.

655
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:45,620
Initial interpretation was also already attached

656
01:07:45,620 --> 01:07:48,560
in clause in schedule 7 of my report.

657
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:56,560
What you have before you is the right of first refusal directly on the documents that are registered on title.

658
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,680
And

659
01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:08,140
I'd be pleased to help provide an interpretation of anything in there that is not already clear.

660
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:11,960
Mr. Campbell, any further questions?

661
01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:14,960
Sure, I'll be, yeah.

662
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,900
Thank you, I'll say a bunch of things, sure.

663
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:25,500
here. This has been an interesting experience for me as a council. I've been on council

664
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:32,560
for seven and a half years now. Never been through something. Been through a lot of interesting

665
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:40,500
things in my time and a lot of big developments during my time on council. But not that has

666
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:47,260
gone the way this has gone. I think when this was initially brought up, I'll speak to my

667
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:51,220
experience. When this was initially brought up to me, I thought,

668
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:55,560
well, wow, this is terrific. The university is going to expand.

669
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,140
We're going to get a new hospital. Fantastic.

670
01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:03,800
You know, we were told that the details were going to be worked out.

671
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,660
We're going to be looked at. And then I believe at one point,

672
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:14,860
we were going to have an external legal opinion on the development agreement,

673
01:09:14,860 --> 01:09:23,700
which we've yet to have. And then my experience through this has been, we have a meeting, for example,

674
01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:37,120
today and at 10 o'clock this morning, I get a copy of this motion. And I realize that it's my

675
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,460
decision to be on council and I have a full-time job, but I have a full-time job and I'm working

676
01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,380
this morning, and I get a document at 10 o'clock.

677
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,360
How am I going to read that and give it what it needs?

678
01:09:47,980 --> 01:09:49,840
Even if I didn't have a full-time job,

679
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:52,220
even if I was sitting at home with my feet up on the couch,

680
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,480
how am I going to give a document like this,

681
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,900
the attention, the detail that it needs,

682
01:09:57,900 --> 01:10:00,200
and the research that it needs in order to come here,

683
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,060
three hours later, and make a decision.

684
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:04,280
That's not possible.

685
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,240
That's not how I do things.

686
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,380
It's not how I operate.

687
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:15,480
Right. I think what we've seen today is through the discussions what the party's involved.

688
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:22,920
And it hasn't been counseled quite often, the city is used, the word the city, the city.

689
01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:28,780
And people, I think in the public, take that to represent all of us at this council table.

690
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:33,720
And I can assure you that has not been the case through this process, that this city,

691
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:38,460
as it's referred to most often in this case, have referred to those that have been most

692
01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:41,580
involved in the discussions, which would be the mayor and on-and-preet.

693
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:48,980
And I think what we've seen, what has been evidence this morning, sorry, this afternoon, is some,

694
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:54,900
I hate to use this term, but animosity is something that's always a bad thing.

695
01:10:55,380 --> 01:10:55,940
Yeah, sure.

696
01:10:56,340 --> 01:11:02,780
Some animosity, some, there's a tension here that, in my opinion, shouldn't exist.

697
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:09,640
this should be three parties that, so everyone claims, all want the same thing.

698
01:11:10,140 --> 01:11:12,980
It should be three parties working together to achieve that.

699
01:11:13,420 --> 01:11:27,300
And if there are differences of opinion, there should be external legal counsel that we get solid interpretations of that and come to an agreement so that we, you know, we've been working on this a long time.

700
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:55,680
Well, we should be, we should have already been at the point where we've worked out the details where we've been able to come to an agreement that protects the tax payers, which we're obligated to do, and obviously we want to do gets us an expanded university, which certainly helps the city economically and gets us a new hospital that helps the entire region, so I'm so disappointed that we are where we are.

701
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,800
But I will bring it back to the motion in front of us.

702
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:01,740
I will not support the motion in front of us.

703
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:07,040
I've seen other motions that have been presented that may be coming to the table.

704
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:08,900
I'm not willing to support any of them.

705
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,640
I think in each one there are pieces I agree with.

706
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:16,120
And in this motion there are pieces I agree with.

707
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,680
I think there are pieces that are important that will protect the interest of the taxpayers.

708
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:21,880
And that's my job.

709
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:38,040
But there are also pieces that I think I will put it this way, that I feel are perhaps unnecessary or worded in such a way that I won't go down that road.

710
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:47,540
Anyway, my bottom line here is that I agree, I think the three parties need to sit down, agree to work together.

711
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:56,300
And I think that perhaps how we get past the animosity is maybe we need to change the faces at the table.

712
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:04,880
Maybe that's the answer so that we can talk openly and honestly and all work towards the same goals.

713
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:05,740
Thanks.

714
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:14,060
Councillor Campbell, thank you for that. Are you proposing like an amendment that we have a committee to discuss these issues then?

715
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:19,220
Is that your proposal, or do you just want to defer the whole thing, or what do you want to do this?

716
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:24,540
What I'm saying, myself, is that I'm not willing to support this motion, or

717
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:27,120
and I'm not sure any other motions that are coming to the table.

718
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,700
I've seen a couple that might be coming to the table, and I'm not willing to support any of them today.

719
01:13:32,020 --> 01:13:36,700
I think what needs to happen is, is the three parties need to sit down and figure this out.

720
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:42,820
And I'd like to see it like a union negotiation where the lock them in a room,

721
01:13:42,820 --> 01:13:45,080
So they figure out the details and they all agree.

722
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:58,680
So you would, I mean, defer this or get this out of the way, then you would propose that we get some group of people together to try and resolve whatever issues there are in terms of contingencies or conditions or whatever it's that here idea?

723
01:13:59,620 --> 01:14:08,920
That's the basis of what I'm suggesting, yeah, and perhaps today we could leave with a motion of who those faces might be and when that may occur.

724
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:09,540
Sure.

725
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:14,590
Anybody else have any comments on Councillor Campbell's idea?

726
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:16,870
Councillor Lauer.

727
01:14:17,530 --> 01:14:18,710
Thanks, Mayor McKay's.

728
01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:22,670
I'm not in favor of prolonging this process.

729
01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:24,850
I think we've all got enough information.

730
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:26,410
We all know what's at stake here.

731
01:14:26,590 --> 01:14:31,270
I think I cannot support the motion that's in front of us.

732
01:14:31,730 --> 01:14:33,530
I don't understand the logic of it.

733
01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:38,850
I don't know why we would ask the taxpayer of a really to bankroll this transaction when

734
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,810
and we have two very mature, responsible proven partners

735
01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:46,650
that are looking to enter into a land exchange deal.

736
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:47,890
They happen all the time.

737
01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:54,060
They can be done, Lakehead, and the hospital

738
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:57,690
and both indicated that they're more than willing

739
01:14:57,690 --> 01:14:59,650
to put conditions in this.

740
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,860
Negotiate and sit down as Davis kind of suggesting with a team or a group of the lawyers and come up to come up with some language and some parameters on how this is going to go. But I think we've had this table for three months, four months. We've had enough time to deliberate this. As I say, the motion before us does not satisfy

741
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:37,340
by me, I do have another motion that I would gladly bring forward that I think addresses

742
01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:45,540
all the concerns that are trying to be addressed in this particular motion, but in different

743
01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:55,980
terms. And I think treating our partners like partners, like the responsible stewards

744
01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:02,400
that they've been. There's just no doubt and it can be proven over and over again

745
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:10,060
with all kinds of facts and figures that Lakehead has performed admirably in

746
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:13,720
this town, done wonderful things for this town. The same with the hospital.

747
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,360
The hospital has always been a gem of this town and I think we should

748
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:22,300
show it in some respect and look for them to take the lead in this project, not

749
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:25,920
the city. But if we were partners that would presuppose we're at the table

750
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,500
I don't know, the city.

751
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:30,660
I'm sorry.

752
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:37,140
Chairvership Councillor Campbell had asked a question about what the agreement states,

753
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:39,520
the agreement is on the screen.

754
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,020
This is the right of first refusal.

755
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,740
I'd be very pleased to answer council's questions.

756
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,940
The term excess lens is right there in the agreement.

757
01:16:53,900 --> 01:17:00,120
It talks about the treatment of excess lens, and it talks about the value of those excess

758
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:00,420
lens.

759
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:07,000
And I once again request Council to ask me any question about what's before Council

760
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,920
and what the development agreement and the amended development agreement states about how excess

761
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,840
lens will be treated.

762
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:20,780
I also hear at least one members of Council's displeasure with how staff, or at least that's

763
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:26,820
my what I heard this pleasure with how staff have discharged their responsibilities and

764
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:32,720
duty of care and obligations as officers of this corporation and staff would very willingly

765
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:42,020
step aside and council should allocate funds towards what this council might believe to

766
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:45,120
be more adequate due diligence on council's behalf.

767
01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:53,110
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

768
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:01,940
As Council David Campbell indicated, this is really confusing and it doesn't take much

769
01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:03,840
these days to confuse me.

770
01:18:05,420 --> 01:18:10,660
I cast a question to you, Mr. Mayor, and to our, we have excellent lawyers here in the

771
01:18:10,660 --> 01:18:17,020
city of everybody that have looked at this and have focused on protecting the citizens

772
01:18:17,020 --> 01:18:20,120
of this community, and that's our goal.

773
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:27,540
And also make sure that the hospital is brand new hospital is built, and that Lakehead expands.

774
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:35,500
So my question to you and Aminpre is, which motion gives the hospital the land and gives the $15 million

775
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,560
subject to its construction status to Lakehead?

776
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,260
Is there a motion on the table that can do that?

777
01:18:42,260 --> 01:18:57,520
But it's so simple, I've been in construction and in business for 55 years and I've never seen anything like this where we can't agree on two things that really, really help the community, a new hospital, expanded Lakehead and everything else.

778
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:02,160
So it's so simple, hospital, are you willing to take the 25 acres?

779
01:19:02,340 --> 01:19:07,420
The answer is yes, Lakehead, are you willing to let the city deal with the money?

780
01:19:07,420 --> 01:19:12,980
I think the answer should be yes, because we have a responsibility to the taxpayers of this community.

781
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,060
Not like it, not the hospital, we do.

782
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,120
And that's why we get elected, and that's why I've been on council for over 30 years.

783
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:26,180
Because I take the concerns of our citizens as a priority.

784
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:35,080
And their taxpayers, and they don't need an increase of eight or ten or 12% in order to satisfy this particular thing.

785
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,960
So, Mr. Mayor, is there a motion that does exactly what I just said?

786
01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:43,880
Give the hospital of the land and give the money under certain conditions to Lakehead,

787
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,420
under a trust fund or whatever that may be?

788
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,580
I think there is through the development agreement.

789
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,180
I think that's the agreement we are working through.

790
01:19:52,380 --> 01:19:53,920
I'm afraid to have any different opinion on that.

791
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:54,220
I don't know.

792
01:19:58,190 --> 01:20:05,730
So, the city's solicitors and the city legal teams, legal opinions have been provided

793
01:20:05,730 --> 01:20:13,790
to Council in detail. Schedule seven has several questions. The city's legal teams answer

794
01:20:14,260 --> 01:20:19,710
on the interpretation is pretty simple. The architecture of the development agreement

795
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:25,650
and the amended development agreement calls for one thing, transfer of land between parties

796
01:20:25,980 --> 01:20:33,550
at dollar one. That posed a problem for one of our partners, which was that they wanted

797
01:20:33,550 --> 01:20:36,570
to monetize the lands that they deem access to their needs.

798
01:20:37,610 --> 01:20:42,330
The motion before council takes care of that impediment.

799
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:44,690
It provides them the $15 million.

800
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,150
The third part, the motion before council does,

801
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:53,230
is that it allows the hospital,

802
01:20:54,780 --> 01:20:59,070
the ownership of that land at the appropriate time for $1,

803
01:20:59,670 --> 01:21:02,670
rather than paying money for that.

804
01:21:03,550 --> 01:21:08,030
rather than paying whatever the fair market value, the praise market value is which could be between

805
01:21:09,290 --> 01:21:16,310
according to cities estimates $18 million and $30 million. So that is a choice between the parties.

806
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:25,190
That is what's before council. Council wants different legal opinions. Council should make provisions for

807
01:21:25,190 --> 01:21:31,470
that. If council is not satisfied with the staff's duty of care and due diligence in responding to

808
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:40,090
matters. Staff would be most pleased to take that feedback and provide well-researched answers

809
01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:48,890
to any questions that Council may have. Staff believe that staff have responded well

810
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:54,910
to the duty of care and for obligations imposed on them as officers isn't of this corporation

811
01:21:54,910 --> 01:22:02,890
by providing responses to communications received from both parties, asking all the important

812
01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:09,410
questions that should inform Council's due diligence prior to making an answer.

813
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:14,030
It is on the record that answers to those questions have not been received.

814
01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:21,590
If Council also wants to direct staff to not respond to the duty of care imposed on officers

815
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:25,770
of this corporation, the staff will be pleased to receive that direction as well.

816
01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:30,310
Okay. Councilor Spul and Councillor Neill.

817
01:22:30,490 --> 01:22:34,650
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm just wondering if we can defer this particular motion or whatever,

818
01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:43,030
and ask that staff meet with Lakehead and soldiers in order to come up with a proper motion that reflects.

819
01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:50,850
And I totally respect our legal, because I think it's a great motion, but I don't think everybody

820
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:55,730
everybody understands it. So I'm just wondering if staff can meet with Lake Ed and soldiers

821
01:22:55,730 --> 01:23:03,250
and come up with a motion that satisfies them and helps the city of Aurelia, helps the

822
01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:08,950
taxpayers of this community. Okay. Is it possible to defer? That's the will of Council

823
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:16,750
we can defer and have per Councillor Campbell's comment, that discussion. Any Councillor

824
01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:18,370
Mr. Darfur, I think you had your hand up in Councillor Smith.

825
01:23:19,190 --> 01:23:19,610
Thank you.

826
01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:25,910
Yes, I do, through you, Mayor McKisak, have some questions for the CAO with regards to

827
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:26,990
the development agreement.

828
01:23:27,630 --> 01:23:35,050
So the portion that is highlighted here says all or any part of the undeveloped land, excess

829
01:23:35,050 --> 01:23:37,910
lands within the 49 year period.

830
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:46,190
And so an earlier portion of the development agreement, which is not on the screen, 1.2 E&F,

831
01:23:46,190 --> 01:23:57,090
I believe specifies clearly that that first right of refusal begins during the period commencing

832
01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:03,310
on the 50th anniversary of the date of the registration of the transfer. So I believe that is

833
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:12,170
2059. So I'm not understanding the contention that city has clear first right of refusal at this time.

834
01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:30,530
And the other portion of the development agreement that I think I certainly am basing my understanding on is 1.2D, which says very clearly that transferring or

835
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:41,330
otherwise disposing of any or all part of the Lakehead lands, that doesn't use the word access and it makes it clear

836
01:24:41,330 --> 01:24:48,830
that under the development agreement, the transfer of lands was considered with the

837
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:55,050
prior written consent of the city. And so I believe that that is exactly the question

838
01:24:55,050 --> 01:25:01,230
that we are facing today. My understanding is that Lake Head is saying under the terms

839
01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:09,450
of the development agreement, 1.2D, the development agreement permits the city of Aurelia to provide

840
01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:16,390
written consent to a direct sale and that is what Lake Head and Soldiers are proposing

841
01:25:16,930 --> 01:25:24,730
with conditions whereas the city as I'm understanding is asserting the first rate of refusal

842
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:29,590
but my understanding of the development agreement is that the first rate of refusal does not

843
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:36,890
commence until 2059 and so just some clarity on some of that would be appreciated.

844
01:25:40,570 --> 01:25:46,650
So what I offer is a plain and unambiguous reading of what's before a council.

845
01:25:47,230 --> 01:25:53,130
I, as an officer of this corporation, will be unable to argue against the city's best

846
01:25:53,130 --> 01:26:00,250
interests. So if a council requires an interpretation of this agreement that doesn't further what

847
01:26:00,250 --> 01:26:02,790
the plain reading is, then I'm unable to provide that.

848
01:26:07,870 --> 01:26:12,490
Councillor Dunford, any more? Councillor Smith, I think Councillor Follas.

849
01:26:13,050 --> 01:26:17,770
Thank you, and through the Mayor. A few things here. I think there seems to be at least

850
01:26:17,770 --> 01:26:23,450
my interpretation here. There seems to be a misunderstanding of who's going after what

851
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:27,510
here. They've clearly as two different organizations want to grow and they want to succeed in everything

852
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:31,570
that you do, and I can fully appreciate that, but we have a responsibility to the taxpayers.

853
01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:41,090
So as much as I think there's fighting for ways that, you know, maybe council members can see that you get this forward, we have a responsibility to our taxpayers.

854
01:26:41,790 --> 01:26:48,290
And the proposal that's on the table is fair. It gives you an opportunity to get a hospital land for a dollar.

855
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:54,710
Shake your head all you want, ma'am, but it doesn't change anything. It gives you the opportunity for a dollar to be able to proceed to next steps.

856
01:26:54,850 --> 01:26:59,070
And it gives you, like, a potential funding that you're going to need for whatever those steps are.

857
01:26:59,070 --> 01:27:00,990
And that's fair for the taxpayers.

858
01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:04,630
And I know you guys have mentioned what works between the two of you.

859
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:10,010
But there was no partnership in the, you mentioned the two of your organization, OSMH and

860
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:10,410
Lakehead.

861
01:27:10,750 --> 01:27:13,230
And it wasn't including the city of Aurelia and its taxpayers.

862
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:16,390
And we're here to do as best for our taxpayers.

863
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:20,530
And that is ultimately keeping these legal mechanisms in place.

864
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:22,810
And I think the proposal on the table is fair.

865
01:27:22,990 --> 01:27:26,850
And it allows both of your organizations to move forward and grow and

866
01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:30,970
succeed how you want to and we want to see that happen. Everybody knows we need a hospital

867
01:27:30,970 --> 01:27:37,350
quickly and I don't think anybody is in any disagreement on that. But, you know, the proposal

868
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:42,790
on the table, I can support because it keeps the taxpayers protected and it helps both of your

869
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:48,550
organizations move forward. Okay, thank you for that. Councillor Fowles and Councillor

870
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:53,530
Dafford. Thanks. Through the chair, a question to both the institutions.

871
01:27:54,430 --> 01:28:04,990
Curious around timing, and I know there had been some question marks around if this gets delayed, there was concern around what the implications would be.

872
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:16,130
Could you maybe expand in terms of what are the concerns around delaying or extending the amount of time decision is taking?

873
01:28:16,510 --> 01:28:16,710
Thanks.

874
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:17,210
So,

875
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,200
through the Mayor, happy to start on behalf of the hospital, as we previously

876
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,980
communicated, we were approved to proceed to Stage 1.3 of planning in the Ministry

877
01:28:27,980 --> 01:28:29,140
of Health Planning Manual.

878
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:33,320
There are deliverables within Stage 1.3 that are site-specific.

879
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:39,040
We were intending to complete that planning by the end of March in 2027.

880
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:44,480
We have been advised by our architects that there's uncertainty within the site,

881
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,640
and that comes down to contractual access to the site.

882
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:57,100
We would anticipate a two-year delay, if required, to restart our site selection process and then proceed with our stage 1.3 planning.

883
01:28:57,580 --> 01:29:04,920
Bear in mind that I believe we launched our site selection process in 2023, so just to give contacts to the amount of time we're referencing.

884
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:18,340
For us, the implications of a delay through the mayor are ability to build a new academic building on our campus,

885
01:29:18,340 --> 01:29:22,700
which we desperately need, we're turning hundreds of students away a year right now.

886
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:30,620
I know there are faculty in the room today who are very, very eager to see a new space on campus.

887
01:29:31,340 --> 01:29:44,960
And unless we have the proceeds of the sale fairly quickly, we're going to lose the opportunity to apply for the Bill Community Strong Fund, which would be another $15 million we hope.

888
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,240
and we're looking at potentially a ten-year delay in getting that building built.

889
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,560
Thank you. Councillor Schmitt, quickly, if you have the saw in this, and then Councillor

890
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,980
Thank you for you. Tom, did you say your architects said that?

891
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,020
It could cause a two-year delay or the ministry.

892
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:32,560
Through the mayor, that was our architect. The ministry does not get involved in the site selection process. That is the accountability of the hospital. They are certainly aware of the process. They are aware of conversations happening with the city. I believe members of the city have reached out to them. I reviewed our site selection process with them two weeks ago. They have zero concern with the work that was undertaken. And as we know with the premier's announcement and the Minister of Health's announcement, both at Lakehead in support of the site.

893
01:30:33,660 --> 01:30:39,280
So to clarify, so to clarify, the province has not said that there will be any delay, just your architect.

894
01:30:39,900 --> 01:31:01,280
So to clarify, through the mayor, the province does not participate in the site selection process, so they acknowledge the ongoing conversation and should the site be lost, the architects who specialize in healthcare planning and hospital redevelopment, have advised of a number of deliverables that cannot be completed.

895
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:09,280
and should we be required then to go back to site selection, and then subsequently complete 1.3 with a new site that would be a two-year delay.

896
01:31:11,730 --> 01:31:21,510
But to summarize what you've just said, there's nothing, if the city were to give you an undertaking to sell it for a dollar, there's nothing that would stop you from planning today, there would be no two-year delay.

897
01:31:22,010 --> 01:31:30,070
Through the mayor, my understanding of what's on the table does not provide us the contractual assurance of the land that would warrant the stage 1.3 as referenced.

898
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:34,710
As a project was brought up multiple times in correspondence from the city,

899
01:31:35,050 --> 01:31:38,650
when I reached out to Collingwood to understand their process,

900
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:43,670
they did secure a contractual arrangement with the stand-owner at stage 1.3,

901
01:31:43,770 --> 01:31:46,190
which is what OSMH is looking to complete with Lakehead.

902
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:51,090
But to be fair, one of the 69 questions we did ask was,

903
01:31:51,790 --> 01:31:55,430
what do you need contractual assurance today?

904
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:58,770
And I think the answer is no, you don't need it today,

905
01:31:58,770 --> 01:32:06,430
But you do need it by say March and you could have it by June or sorry, you could have it by September and you'd be fine

906
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:12,760
Through the mayor. We have deliverables under stage 1.3 today that we are holding on

907
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:16,240
Given this conversation. So when we suggest that today

908
01:32:16,980 --> 01:32:21,640
Was an opportunity? We do mean that work that should be happening is delayed

909
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,140
But again to my question if the city

910
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:29,060
Agreed to provide you the land for a dollar today. He would be freed up ready to go

911
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:38,240
So through the mayor, as we've talked about, there are concerns with the motion on the floor, both organizations have shared their concerns.

912
01:32:38,580 --> 01:32:42,460
I've asked you what the concerns are, and you've been suitably vague about changing them.

913
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:51,620
I mean, if the city would say today you can have the land and there's only two conditions, one would be that you have to build a hospital in so many years, and two, you cannot sell it.

914
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:52,920
I mean, that's fairly straightforward.

915
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,320
Those are, I think, reasonable conditions you may disagree, but those would be conditions.

916
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,940
And that would give you the ability to go ahead and plan and do what you need.

917
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,380
Through the Mayor Apologies if I was vague.

918
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,740
I was, I thought explicit that the desire of the organization is to work in alignment

919
01:33:09,740 --> 01:33:14,760
with the existing development agreement that requires consent from the city to a sale

920
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,820
between OSM agent Lee Ked.

921
01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:20,520
Or the return for a dollar is the section on the on the screen shows us.

922
01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:23,400
Any other questions, comments?

923
01:33:24,340 --> 01:33:25,780
Councillor Dernford, I think was next.

924
01:33:25,780 --> 01:33:37,100
I think what I'm struggling to understand is that the assertion in the motion is the assertion

925
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:45,880
rather that the motion on the floor is a better deal for the taxpayers of Aurelia.

926
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:55,360
And the motion on the floor requires the city to, as we all know, what the agreement is,

927
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:00,220
which includes the city contributing $15 million to Lakehead.

928
01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:10,760
But the deal or the proposal that Lakehead is bringing and the soldiers is bringing is that

929
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:20,740
that they would do a direct sale between the two parties, which is explicitly accounted for and allowed under the development agreement.

930
01:34:21,420 --> 01:34:27,600
And that that direct sale would not require $15 million of the taxpayer's money.

931
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:33,120
It would not require the city to take $15 million from its tax stabilization reserve.

932
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:44,400
It would instead mean that the hospital would pay lakehead funds that they have indicated or not,

933
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:50,120
that they are operational funds, they are not funds that they would fundraise, they are funds that they have secured.

934
01:34:51,220 --> 01:34:58,880
So I'm struggling to understand the assertion that a direct sale is not in the taxpayer's interest.

935
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:07,640
If a direct sale is made with the conditions that Lake head and soldiers have explicitly said that they would agree to,

936
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:25,740
the clause saying that the money must be invested in a really only for campus expansion and a clause saying that if the property is not developed for a hospital within a certain period of time, 15 years, whatever that period of time is,

937
01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:32,720
than those lands would revert back to either like head or the city or whatever the terms

938
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:39,700
of that agreement would be. So as I am reading the development agreement, as I am listening

939
01:35:39,700 --> 01:35:45,840
to what we're hearing from our guests and as I am read everything, all of the documents

940
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:54,160
that have been sent to us, it seems clear to me that the direct sale actually has less

941
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,420
impact on the taxpayers of ruralia and I'm very aware of the the claim that the

942
01:35:59,420 --> 01:36:06,400
land was you know given to Lakehead it was donated to them but it's also

943
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:10,720
clear from the development agreement and from that original gift of the land

944
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:16,520
that the purpose was to create a university in the city of

945
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:22,340
ruralia that happened and the university is now coming back and saying that they

946
01:36:22,340 --> 01:36:24,960
They need and want to expand that campus.

947
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,320
They need the funds to do that.

948
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:34,120
And they're proposing to use the lands, which are in their, they belong to Lakehead.

949
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:35,700
They do hold the title.

950
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:38,500
It is encumbered, but they do hold the title.

951
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,940
Their proposal is for the public good.

952
01:36:43,420 --> 01:36:50,900
It results, in my opinion, it upholds the original purpose of the gift of those 85 acres.

953
01:36:50,900 --> 01:37:04,620
It allows for the campus expansion, and it allows for a new hospital, and it does not require the city to take $15 million from its coffers and contribute it to either organization.

954
01:37:07,460 --> 01:37:13,260
So I can't support this motion, I don't think we're there yet.

955
01:37:13,260 --> 01:37:19,480
And I don't think my understanding of this meeting was that all parties would talk through

956
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:24,620
some of these conditions and have an opportunity to put their positions forward.

957
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:34,660
That purpose of the meeting was changed by the presentation of this report, which we've

958
01:37:34,660 --> 01:37:35,960
seen very last minute.

959
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:48,740
So I can't support this and I would be far more in favor of the direct sale with conditions that protect the taxpayers and protect all parties.

960
01:37:49,660 --> 01:37:56,560
Thank you Councillor Dernford. I think this is important and I think you're raising an interesting point, but I think we need to follow the money.

961
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:04,880
Under the plan that you're proposing the hospital pay $50 million to the land or some such number, the hospital money is community money.

962
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:09,240
The hospital doesn't invent money by itself, it gets from a tax base.

963
01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:15,520
Excuse me, when I'm speaking, you can speak when you have your turn.

964
01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:21,540
The hospital's money is the community counselor, Campbell, you're out of order.

965
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,560
The hospital's money is the community money.

966
01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:30,200
The province pays for everything except the land, so the $15 million can only come from local donors.

967
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:39,780
and the local share, plus you probably pay about $300,000 in tax, land transfer tax, and that leaves this city for the provincial treasury.

968
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:47,860
So, we'd be buying back at $15 million that the city already gave, I mean, I don't understand that.

969
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:54,420
I don't understand why the hospital would want to take $15 million out of the treasury when they could take a dollar out of the treasury.

970
01:38:54,960 --> 01:39:00,900
It's just straightforward and you would have tomorrow you'd have access the land right away, it'd be the same thing and the only two conditions

971
01:39:00,900 --> 01:39:06,620
I would think until the will of council would be that you actually build a hospital with a certain amount of time and you don't sell it

972
01:39:06,620 --> 01:39:13,160
And I don't think any of those conditions are arduous. Any other comments here? Councilor Smith

973
01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:19,900
Thank you and through you Mayor McCosic. So we do have the 68 questions that were sent to you guys and

974
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:21,700
And ultimately you're both at the table.

975
01:39:21,900 --> 01:39:26,440
So I'd like to ask them and whomever is applicable to respond to them.

976
01:39:27,180 --> 01:39:35,320
So just for anybody to look it up, it's document 260731, it's the CIP from the CAO and it

977
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:36,440
starts at page 10.

978
01:39:36,940 --> 01:39:40,180
I'm not sure if you're able to put that up on the screen just for people to be able to

979
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:40,960
follow along.

980
01:39:41,060 --> 01:39:44,780
That might be a little bit easier and this is 68 questions, so I apologize.

981
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:49,880
But for transparency sake, we do want to make sure that the public is able to get these

982
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:55,720
answers. So, starting with question one, towards Lakehead, what does civic campus mean

983
01:39:55,720 --> 01:40:00,560
concretely in the Arulia proposal, which functions, which partners, which binding commitments?

984
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,440
So, again, I think they're going to put that up on the screen.

985
01:40:07,140 --> 01:40:14,000
Thank you, through the mayor. A civic campus is a designation that has been used, excuse

986
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:21,420
me, in the UK, for universities that are committed to serving the communities in which they're

987
01:40:21,420 --> 01:40:26,820
located. So they distinguish themselves from the Oxford's and the Cambridge's and the kind of

988
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:32,480
Ivy League elite universities that have been around for hundreds of years, these tend to be

989
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:38,840
newer universities that grew up in a community are very much supported by community and are

990
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:44,500
committed to supporting a community. It's not a term that Lake head has formally adopted

991
01:40:45,110 --> 01:40:50,620
to talk about our campus. It's something we're talking about internally, but we very much

992
01:40:50,620 --> 01:40:58,740
support the notion of it, and that is how we're thinking about the development of the

993
01:40:58,740 --> 01:41:07,020
early campus and the Thunder Bay campus for the next 5, 50, 100 years, right? We're

994
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:14,660
thinking way beyond today, way beyond the people in this room right now. But that is my answer

995
01:41:14,660 --> 01:41:15,460
to that question.

996
01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:20,580
Okay, and the next question is the civic campus model implemented at Lakehead's Thunder Bay campus

997
01:41:20,580 --> 01:41:25,780
or NOSOM, Northern Ontario School of Medicine, and the regional hospital sit adjacent to the university.

998
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:32,520
What has 20 years of adjacency measurably produced and what is recable in Arilia without a medical school?

999
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:39,460
So through the mayor, first of all, the medical school in Northern Ontario is no longer part of Lakehead.

1000
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:44,500
It became an independent university about five or six years ago.

1001
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:50,480
We nonetheless maintain a very important and close relationship with them as we do with the hospital.

1002
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:59,260
As I explained a moment ago, the campus, the civic campus idea is one that we believe,

1003
01:41:59,380 --> 01:42:09,680
believes captures how we, the values with which we operate and envision development of our campuses.

1004
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:15,240
Okay. Next one, which Canadian examples does Lakehead consider successful implementations

1005
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,780
of the model and what published outcomes support them?

1006
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:24,220
I think people would consider the University of Water, due to be a successful example,

1007
01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:30,220
McMaster University, I'm not able to point to published outcomes that provide you that

1008
01:42:30,220 --> 01:42:31,760
evidence at this time.

1009
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:38,260
What specifically in the Phase I academic building is civic rather than conventional campus

1010
01:42:38,260 --> 01:42:43,560
expansion. I think I've already answered that question by answering the first two questions.

1011
01:42:44,220 --> 01:42:51,300
I think the way in which you're thinking about Civic is too contained. I'll say again,

1012
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:58,840
it is a concept that we're using to think about the values of our university, that we are a

1013
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:07,860
community-oriented university. Another common feature of Civic universities is a focus on wellness

1014
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:10,320
Yes, and often the co-location of a hospital.

1015
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:16,080
What binding commitment does Lakehead offer that the sale and the proceeds will in fact

1016
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:20,280
produce the civic outcomes described and what is the remedy to the city if they do not?

1017
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,680
I don't have an answer to that question.

1018
01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:27,380
List the specific synergies.

1019
01:43:27,660 --> 01:43:31,780
The partnership will produce between the hospital and the campus for either of you.

1020
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:33,680
Sorry, say that again.

1021
01:43:34,460 --> 01:43:36,000
List the specific synergies.

1022
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,760
the partnership will produce between the hospital and the campus.

1023
01:43:39,580 --> 01:43:43,160
Again, through the mayor, I believe that both of us have talked about that already today.

1024
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:49,540
There are opportunities for complimentary academic programs, health programs,

1025
01:43:50,780 --> 01:43:55,680
research partnerships, just the things that come from shared space,

1026
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:01,320
possibly shared services, Tom, anything you want to add to that?

1027
01:44:05,380 --> 01:44:18,020
Through the mayor, I think, Dr. Siddhal, covered that incredibly well, and I believe it was included in her written comments for reference for each synergy, the objective measure, the baseline, the target, the date, and the data source.

1028
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:18,720
Wait a minute, Boarder.

1029
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:27,640
Through the chair, just if possible, I'm wondering just for the sake of time, because I see what's happening, I think we're going through each of the questions.

1030
01:44:28,460 --> 01:44:34,460
And I don't know if it's the will of council and the will of the members of the public who are here to sit through all

1031
01:44:34,460 --> 01:44:43,980
68 questions. Well, I'm just wondering if maybe it might be most practical to identify, you know, here are five of the most relevant questions that you would ask.

1032
01:44:43,980 --> 01:44:52,000
I'm asking all 68. Sorry. I'm asking all 68. You're asking all 68 questions. We did already ask. And they weren't answered. So the public deserves to know. So I'm asking.

1033
01:44:52,100 --> 01:44:59,600
I just wonder if that's fair to everyone. What else do you want the information? I definitely welcome the information.

1034
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,600
I think you have to be fair to everyone and respect their time as well. So continuing B2 for each synergy, the objective measure, the baseline, the target, the date, and the data source.

1035
01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:31,720
I'm not going to answer that question. Okay. For B3, who is acceptable for delivering each synergy and to whom do they report? I'm not going to answer that question. Okay. Where will these commitments be recorded and made binding, the MOU, the transaction documents, or elsewhere? Will the signed MOU be provided

1036
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:33,600
to the city in confidence if preferred.

1037
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,820
That question is too vague for me to provide a reasonable answer, so I'm not going to answer

1038
01:45:39,820 --> 01:45:40,500
that question.

1039
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:40,820
Okay.

1040
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:45,260
B5, what happens and to whom if the synergies do not materialize?

1041
01:45:50,230 --> 01:45:51,790
I'm not going to answer that question.

1042
01:45:52,030 --> 01:45:53,690
That question means nothing to me.

1043
01:45:54,090 --> 01:45:54,230
Okay.

1044
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:56,050
It means something to the taxpayers of Rulia.

1045
01:45:57,390 --> 01:45:57,870
I'm.

1046
01:45:59,470 --> 01:45:59,950
Okay.

1047
01:46:00,270 --> 01:46:00,930
Moving on.

1048
01:46:01,130 --> 01:46:01,570
C1.

1049
01:46:01,570 --> 01:46:08,030
At what stage does the Ministry's capital process require completed site control in and in what form?

1050
01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:12,410
Through the mayor, so we are in stage 1.3, which is a stage of which site-specific

1051
01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:19,630
planning is required, and as I've indicated, certainty around the site is required at this stage.

1052
01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:21,110
At the beginning or at the end?

1053
01:46:22,090 --> 01:46:23,170
It's required now.

1054
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:27,790
We have work that we are actively delaying because we do not have clarity on the site.

1055
01:46:28,190 --> 01:46:30,850
But if you had it for a dollar tomorrow, you could appreciate is that correct?

1056
01:46:32,050 --> 01:46:35,630
Respectfully, I think we've covered off the concerns with the motion on the floor.

1057
01:46:37,670 --> 01:46:42,610
C2, what amount, if any, has OSMH budgeted for the site acquisition and from what source?

1058
01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:45,170
I example local sheriff foundation or other.

1059
01:46:45,690 --> 01:46:50,850
So as we've shared previously, including in our deputation, a purchase price has not been set.

1060
01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:55,250
No agreement exists at this point in time, and the funds are not coming from donor dollars.

1061
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:58,210
They are currently from hospital operations in our bank account.

1062
01:46:58,210 --> 01:46:59,410
Have you done an appraisal?

1063
01:47:04,140 --> 01:47:04,800
That's my question.

1064
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:07,720
I didn't hear the question.

1065
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,520
There's a doubt you've done an appraisal on the value.

1066
01:47:11,620 --> 01:47:18,820
We had an appraisal done a number of months ago, but we would need to do, both parties would

1067
01:47:18,820 --> 01:47:23,100
need to do an appraisal to get an up-to-date valuation of the market value.

1068
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:31,540
C3, when does OSMH anticipate needing the complete, to complete an acquisition or long-term lease?

1069
01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:34,280
A stage 1.3 specific due diligence has just begun.

1070
01:47:35,740 --> 01:47:39,340
So it's previously communicated we'd be looking for contractual assurance to the land

1071
01:47:39,340 --> 01:47:44,980
hit now in 1.3 as we move into stage two is when you would look to then formally acquire

1072
01:47:44,980 --> 01:47:47,220
the lands very similar to what has happened in calling wood.

1073
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:53,200
See four what conditions in a long-term lease at nominal rent preserving public ownership

1074
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,940
satisfy OSMH and the province's requirements.

1075
01:47:57,180 --> 01:48:00,980
So it's previously stated, a long term lease does not satisfy our requirements.

1076
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:10,660
C5 has the Ministry of Health or Infrastructure Ontario communicated any requirement that OSMH hold titled two as distinct from site control.

1077
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:15,320
The really a site at stage 1.3 or any later stage.

1078
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:21,060
Through the mayors of the Ministry of Health does not oversee the site selection process.

1079
01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:30,860
I can confirm a conversation with the Ministry of Health two weeks ago where they did want to better understand why members of the city were reaching out to them citing concerns around the site.

1080
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:33,100
We reviewed our site selection process.

1081
01:48:33,620 --> 01:48:36,140
They have no concerns with the process we undertook.

1082
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:41,040
They did confirm that not having clarity of the site would result in delays to the work.

1083
01:48:42,300 --> 01:48:52,800
C6, recent Ontario new hospitals average about 49 acres and every comparable regional build sits on 40 to 62 acres, calling what a smaller community built on 54.

1084
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:57,060
Why is 25 acres adequate for RILIA and what analysis supports it?

1085
01:48:58,220 --> 01:49:02,080
Through the mayor, so our site selection process asked for a minimum of 25 acres.

1086
01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:10,620
That's what was proposed by Lakehead, we're currently working through stage 1.3, which is the stage in which we do site specific planning.

1087
01:49:10,620 --> 01:49:14,120
including test fits and massing of the hospital on a specific site.

1088
01:49:14,780 --> 01:49:19,160
And so until we have clarity over the site in question, that work is impacted.

1089
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,800
Okay, D1, this is more towards Lakehead.

1090
01:49:23,180 --> 01:49:27,660
The county commitment is 15 million over 10 years, beginning with a 1.5 million installment.

1091
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:34,660
Please provide the county instrument and are the installments unconditional and are any milestones or conditions attached?

1092
01:49:37,420 --> 01:49:39,720
I'm going to invite Kathy to speak to that one.

1093
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:51,410
I'm not really sure how much I can say as the county commitment would be confidential

1094
01:49:51,410 --> 01:49:55,890
to our board and our financing strategy, which I really don't believe is a question

1095
01:49:55,890 --> 01:49:56,330
today.

1096
01:49:56,490 --> 01:50:01,650
I think the land transaction is before you for decision, not necessarily the financing

1097
01:50:01,650 --> 01:50:02,310
strategy.

1098
01:50:02,750 --> 01:50:06,210
But the 1.5 over 10 years is public information, I think.

1099
01:50:08,210 --> 01:50:11,990
Right, but I'm not sure about installments being unconditional in such.

1100
01:50:12,250 --> 01:50:16,230
But you want the city's portion now, but you're willing to take the counties over 10 years?

1101
01:50:17,850 --> 01:50:24,070
Yes, actually, we want the land transaction with a real, a really asolder's memorial to happen now.

1102
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:29,290
It happens now, and then you don't have the third leg of the store, which is a federal piece for the other 15 million.

1103
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:32,210
You don't yet have that because you've not yet applied, is that correct?

1104
01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:41,020
We have not yet applied, but as we've expressed on a number of occasions, the financing

1105
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:45,380
strategy, including the sale of the land transaction, is very important to that application.

1106
01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:53,270
Deep two, what bridges the gap between a three to four-year construction draw and a ten-year

1107
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:55,490
receipt schedule and that what cost?

1108
01:50:56,410 --> 01:50:57,890
Kathy, can you take that one?

1109
01:50:59,290 --> 01:51:02,350
Well, I don't think I can answer these questions because these are financing strategies

1110
01:51:02,350 --> 01:51:06,330
these before our Board of Governors, and again, our very hypothetical.

1111
01:51:07,110 --> 01:51:24,410
Okay, D3, the description of the university's $15 million has developed over time from confirmed April to a composition that will continue to evolve June 22 to a matter of institutional governments July 19th, while the 2025 announcement recorded a feasibility study still setting fundraising goals.

1112
01:51:24,410 --> 01:51:33,290
What is the current source and status of the contribution, cash, pledges, financing, future revenues, and when is each expected to be in hand?

1113
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:44,770
Well, I think I can take that one, and it will be the same answer as Kathy has given this, these are financing strategies we discussed with our board, and we're not at liberty to share them here today.

1114
01:51:45,090 --> 01:51:45,290
No problem.

1115
01:51:45,290 --> 01:51:56,950
Defore, the project will require more than 45 million outlined due to 22 and the announcement described the county's 15 million as the first of many needed with fundraising goals set by a feasibility study.

1116
01:51:57,350 --> 01:52:04,170
What is the current total estimate? What did the feasibility study conclude? And what is the fundraising goals and progress against it?

1117
01:52:06,060 --> 01:52:12,260
The feasibility study is in progress, so we don't have the results of that yet.

1118
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:24,620
The current total estimate of the building, I think at the moment we're still at 45 million.

1119
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:30,740
As you probably know that as you move through phases you get class de-estimates, class c-estimates

1120
01:52:30,740 --> 01:52:36,180
and so on and so the costing becomes more precise as we go, but that is our best estimate

1121
01:52:36,180 --> 01:52:36,820
at this time.

1122
01:52:36,820 --> 01:52:42,880
Okay, at this point you're building I think is 29,000 square feet which is like $1500 a square foot

1123
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:49,460
Is that a normal rate for that kind of building? I can't answer that question Kathy. Can you answer that question?

1124
01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:58,520
Not not at the moment as the schematic design is currently underway, so we haven't been able to get to those estimates yet.

1125
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:58,620
Okay.

1126
01:52:59,860 --> 01:53:00,460
D5.

1127
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:05,360
What is the current status and realistic timeline of any federal pursuit, E.O.I.

1128
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:08,600
filed or planned, stream-intended or decision horizon?

1129
01:53:09,420 --> 01:53:14,000
We would like to be submitting an application for the federal funding through the Bill

1130
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,920
Community Strong Fund as quickly as possible.

1131
01:53:17,020 --> 01:53:22,800
That portal has now opened and the longer it's open and we don't apply the less chance

1132
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,020
we have of succeeding.

1133
01:53:24,860 --> 01:53:25,460
D6.

1134
01:53:25,460 --> 01:53:31,920
When will design documents reach a construction-ready stage, and what is the earliest credible date for shovels in the ground?

1135
01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:34,700
I'm going to ask Kathy to answer that one.

1136
01:53:35,780 --> 01:53:38,320
I would say spring 2027 is our current goal.

1137
01:53:40,100 --> 01:53:45,320
D7, on Lakehead's own figures, what is built and by when if no federal grant ever arrives?

1138
01:53:48,340 --> 01:53:58,160
If no federal grant ever arrives, that would obviously slow down the process and put more pressure on us to find the funds internally and through fundraising.

1139
01:53:59,780 --> 01:54:03,560
The university's stated need is 15 million towards its academic building.

1140
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:11,460
A sale of the 25 acres is one way to raise that sum and the only one that permanently alienates land the city gave in trust.

1141
01:54:11,460 --> 01:54:19,540
Lakehead's own announcement describes a feasibility study to set fundraising goals and the county's $15 million as the first of many contributions needed.

1142
01:54:19,940 --> 01:54:36,580
Is Lakehead open to meeting the same $15 million need without a sale, for example, through a multi-year contribution arrangement of the kind the county has already provided, philanthropy, grants, or financing against future revenue, and if a sale is nonetheless said to be the only acceptable route, why?

1143
01:54:43,550 --> 01:55:02,410
As I've said before, there's a need to have the proceeds of the sale of the land as soon as possible, so that we can move quickly on the building and make that application for another $15 or $50 million from the federal government.

1144
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:03,190
Okay.

1145
01:55:03,710 --> 01:55:05,330
E1 on this could go for both of you.

1146
01:55:05,590 --> 01:55:11,310
Does either institution object to council obtaining an independent appraisal before any release of the city's registered interest?

1147
01:55:11,310 --> 01:55:14,190
If objective, what is the basis of that objection?

1148
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:18,390
I have no objection to that.

1149
01:55:23,310 --> 01:55:24,890
Through the mayor likewise, no objection.

1150
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:27,430
I'm not sure that it's covered in the development agreement, but no objection.

1151
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:29,970
Okay. This one can also go for both of you.

1152
01:55:30,450 --> 01:55:35,930
E2, if a transaction ultimately proceeds, will the parties accept the safeguard architecture in the report?

1153
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:40,290
Proceeds in trust for the academic building, a commencement deadline, and a reverter.

1154
01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:43,810
Through the mayor, I've already made it clear that we will not.

1155
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:44,590
Okay.

1156
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:53,270
F1, so this is to OSMH, what specific stage 1.3 deliverable cannot be completed unless

1157
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:57,450
the city transfers ownership of the land now as opposed to the city providing documented

1158
01:55:57,450 --> 01:56:00,010
site control, like a comfort letter or a long term lease?

1159
01:56:01,450 --> 01:56:05,710
Through the matter, so I believe we've covered off a number of the examples of stage 1.3 site

1160
01:56:05,710 --> 01:56:06,510
specific work.

1161
01:56:06,990 --> 01:56:10,250
We just acknowledge in the question it refers to the city transferring ownership.

1162
01:56:10,670 --> 01:56:13,890
Lakehead is the landowner and we would be looking to work with them for that ownership.

1163
01:56:13,890 --> 01:56:30,310
Okay, F2, calling with general and marine hospital advanced through stages 1.2, 1.3 and into stage 2.1 on the strength of a 2023 development agreement for its site and completed title only in April 2026, about 11 years after planning began in 2015.

1164
01:56:30,710 --> 01:56:36,690
What distinguishes OSMH's position, such that it requires ownership now at the start of stage 1.3.

1165
01:56:37,930 --> 01:56:44,670
Through the mayor, so in a letter that I sent to Councillors individually, I believe I actually clarified that it's not distinguished.

1166
01:56:44,910 --> 01:56:55,110
Calling would went into stage 1.3 in 2021, and there was still back and forth around what their project scope was once that was solidified in 2023.

1167
01:56:56,310 --> 01:57:03,030
They signed an MOU with the land owner that gave them the contractual assurance for the transaction that's then referenced here in the question.

1168
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:06,990
Again, that is a conversation I had with the organization.

1169
01:57:07,250 --> 01:57:11,930
I don't believe anyone in council reached out to calling with a clarify the statement being made here.

1170
01:57:12,210 --> 01:57:16,790
I do believe it's quite misleading around the need of access to land right now in 1.3.

1171
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:27,870
Okay, F3 would OSMH accept a long-term lease at nominal rent or the city's comfort letter as site control for stage 1.3 and beyond so that planning proceeds without interruption while the city completes its due diligence.

1172
01:57:28,690 --> 01:57:36,530
Through the mayors, previously referenced, a comfort letter does not provide us the contractual assurance required to proceed with the work.

1173
01:57:37,290 --> 01:57:44,810
F4, is there any date set by the Ministry or infrastructure Ontario by which the land transfer must close?

1174
01:57:45,090 --> 01:57:47,510
If so, what is it and where is it reported?

1175
01:57:48,590 --> 01:57:54,370
I present that date has not been set for the closing date of the transfer as I shared in the deputation.

1176
01:57:54,370 --> 01:58:00,770
And now that we're moving into 1.3, we will begin a lot of our planning work, including the development of a project schedule.

1177
01:58:00,930 --> 01:58:03,850
That's where we'll start to receive clarity over some of those dates.

1178
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:06,110
Okay. G1, this is towards Lakehead.

1179
01:58:06,370 --> 01:58:15,170
Is the proposed sale of the 25 acres the entirety of the land Lakehead intends to convey from the 85 acres or the first of more than intended disposition?

1180
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:24,600
Before through the mayor, the proposal before council is for the sale of approximately 25 acres to OSMH.

1181
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:33,960
Lakehead has no current plans to dispose of any additional lands, and the remaining lands are intended to support the university's long-term growth in Aurelia.

1182
01:58:34,740 --> 01:58:47,660
G2 will Lakehead agree to a binding guarantee registered on title that it will not sell lease for non-university use or otherwise dispose of any further part of the 85 acres beyond the 25 now proposed through the term of 2059.

1183
01:58:47,660 --> 01:58:52,920
The existing development agreement continues to govern the balance of the University

1184
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:58,500
lands. Council is being asked to consider one specific request to permit the sale

1185
01:58:58,500 --> 01:59:03,600
of approximately 25 acres. Any future proposal would remain subject to the existing

1186
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:08,240
agreement and would be considered if ever required on its own merits.

1187
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:13,640
G3 will laycut agree that the remaining approximately 60 acres are to be retained

1188
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:18,220
for and developed as a university campus consistent with the 2008 purpose with a

1189
01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:19,720
reverter to the city if they are not.

1190
01:59:20,020 --> 01:59:23,840
The development agreement remains in force for the balance of the property.

1191
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:29,160
Today's request is simply for Council's approval to permit the proposed 25 acre transaction

1192
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:30,820
under the existing framework.

1193
01:59:31,380 --> 01:59:36,940
G4, if a future hospital expansion or any future purchaser sought additional land from the remaining

1194
01:59:36,940 --> 01:59:41,660
acreage, will they commit now in writing that no such commands can ever proceed?

1195
01:59:41,660 --> 01:59:45,740
The development agreement continues to govern the balance of the property.

1196
01:59:45,980 --> 01:59:51,020
Council is being asked to consider a specific request regarding approximately 25 acres,

1197
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:58,420
not to make decisions today about hypothetical future circumstances that are neither proposed nor before council.

1198
01:59:59,220 --> 01:59:59,980
H1, this is...

1199
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:26,160
You conveyed roughly 85 acres in the 2008-2009 for nominal consideration for university purposes. Does Lakehead accept that the land was placed in trust by a release taxpayers, not a purchase, and that it remains subject to the city's registered interest and to beyond 2059? That question contains legal characterizations of the 2008 transaction and development agreement that should be confirmed before I would respond.

1200
02:00:27,780 --> 02:00:33,760
in terms of being held in trust, for example, so that's my answer to that.

1201
02:00:34,020 --> 02:00:35,660
Okay, I won, this could be for both of you.

1202
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:38,960
On what basis was the price between Lakehead and OSMH set?

1203
02:00:39,580 --> 02:00:42,520
An independent appraisal of the land, an armed length negotiation,

1204
02:00:42,820 --> 02:00:46,460
or the amount Lakehead needed to complete its capital stack, please provide the basis?

1205
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:51,800
There is no agreed upon purchase price between Lakehead University and OSMH.

1206
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:52,700
Through

1207
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:03,740
the mayor, so I concur, there is no agreed upon price in May for sake of clarity for all of Section J.

1208
02:01:03,860 --> 02:01:07,160
There is no MOU between the organizations pertaining to the land.

1209
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:07,960
Okay.

1210
02:01:08,660 --> 02:01:14,760
I too, the city's comparator estimate places the 25 acres materially above 15 million and no appraisal exists.

1211
02:01:15,020 --> 02:01:17,880
If the land is worth more than 15 million, who captures the difference?

1212
02:01:17,940 --> 02:01:22,300
And is the city being asked to enable a below value transfer of land it donated?

1213
02:01:23,340 --> 02:01:24,520
This could be for both of you.

1214
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:31,220
My response is the fair market value of the land will be established through independent

1215
02:01:31,220 --> 02:01:32,880
appraisal and negotiation.

1216
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:38,300
The proceeds from any sale belong to Lakehead and will be reinvested in expanding the

1217
02:01:38,300 --> 02:01:45,480
Orelia campus, creating the vision of the campus that I've already described to you and the

1218
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,180
long-term benefit to the community.

1219
02:01:49,300 --> 02:01:49,400
Okay.

1220
02:01:51,020 --> 02:01:53,000
OCEM-H, do you want to answer that at all?

1221
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:54,160
No.

1222
02:01:54,340 --> 02:01:54,400
Okay.

1223
02:01:55,060 --> 02:01:55,500
I-3.

1224
02:01:55,500 --> 02:02:02,560
So this is the OSMH. If the city required fair market value for the release of its interest could OSMH pay it and from what source?

1225
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:10,580
Through the mayor is previously indicated. Yes, the hospital could I for does Lakehead accept that essentially all of the value

1226
02:02:10,580 --> 02:02:17,680
Realized on a sale is created by the city's consent to release its registered interest and not by anything Lakehead has added to the land

1227
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:24,140
Through the mayor respectfully. We do not accept that premise and I might add at this point that

1228
02:02:24,140 --> 02:02:35,900
But the gift of the land and the $5 million from the city to help establish the campus here was critical to doing that work.

1229
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:43,420
Lakehead itself has invested tens of millions of dollars to expand and build that campus.

1230
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:47,280
And that would not have been possible without Lakehead's own investment.

1231
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:55,040
This is to both of you. Please provide the signed MOU. Does it grant OSMH any option right or for

1232
02:02:55,040 --> 02:03:01,240
refusal or expectation over land beyond the 25 acres? Through the mayors previously indicated there

1233
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:08,140
is no MOU pertain to the lake headlands. Okay, J2, does the MOU commit OSMH to acquire only the

1234
02:03:08,140 --> 02:03:11,560
lakehead site and did it foreclose consideration of any alternative site?

1235
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:15,940
Through the mayor there is no MOU

1236
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:23,800
I thought that Mr. Roberts who responded there was no MOU, and then I think Kathy from Lake had responded.

1237
02:03:23,980 --> 02:03:25,660
There is an MOU, but it's not public facing.

1238
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:26,440
Kathy, is that correct?

1239
02:03:28,810 --> 02:03:29,930
No, that's not correct.

1240
02:03:30,130 --> 02:03:32,510
I was referring to the County of Sanco agreement.

1241
02:03:32,930 --> 02:03:34,230
So that was County of Sanco agreement.

1242
02:03:34,370 --> 02:03:35,030
Thanks for the clarification.

1243
02:03:35,610 --> 02:03:35,730
Okay.

1244
02:03:36,370 --> 02:03:39,010
We will go to K1 on, and this is for both of you.

1245
02:03:39,130 --> 02:03:42,890
On what dates did Lake Head Board of Governors and the OSMH Board formally approve this

1246
02:03:42,890 --> 02:03:44,190
hearing's action, and on what terms?

1247
02:03:44,490 --> 02:03:45,650
Please provide the resolutions.

1248
02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:57,130
Through the mayor, happy to start on behalf of the hospital, there is no transaction as previously indicated.

1249
02:03:57,330 --> 02:04:00,670
Therefore, there is no resolution for the board to approve.

1250
02:04:02,590 --> 02:04:04,030
The same is true for Lakehead.

1251
02:04:04,690 --> 02:04:06,230
K-2, this is for Lakehead.

1252
02:04:06,330 --> 02:04:09,910
The county of Simco committed 15 million toward Lakehead's Aurelia expansion.

1253
02:04:10,130 --> 02:04:13,610
Has the county even advised that part of the campus land would be sold to the hospital?

1254
02:04:13,790 --> 02:04:15,830
And does the county's funding agreement permit that?

1255
02:04:17,610 --> 02:04:35,770
Yes, the county is aware of the proposed concept and Lakehead's expansion plans, and it is consistent with our commitment to expand their, expand their really campus, which is what the funding from the county of Sumco was for.

1256
02:04:35,770 --> 02:04:42,090
Okay. L1, for both of you, who set the 25-acre minimum site requirement and on what date relative

1257
02:04:42,090 --> 02:04:46,010
to the point at which Lakehead's land was identified as available? What was the criterion

1258
02:04:46,010 --> 02:04:48,810
fixed before or after the Lakehead parcel was in view?

1259
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:53,390
Through the mayor. So OSMH has been playing for a new hospital for over a decade now and

1260
02:04:53,390 --> 02:04:58,550
through those works. The LLAN requirements were identified. So it was our expression of

1261
02:04:58,550 --> 02:05:01,810
interest to the community that stipulated a minimum of 25 acres.

1262
02:05:05,260 --> 02:05:11,220
L2, this is for OSMH, was any analysis prepared to justify 25 acres as the entry threshold

1263
02:05:11,220 --> 02:05:14,320
and will it be produced and none has been provided to the city?

1264
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:20,600
So it's previously indicated over a decade of planning we've identified minimum land requirements

1265
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:26,080
working with engineers and architects around the hospital lands as previously indicated.

1266
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:31,280
It is a more efficient use of space than other projects and we're looking forward to solidifying

1267
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:33,960
the exact design and massing as part of stage 1.3.

1268
02:05:34,660 --> 02:05:40,160
Okay, L2A, this is for OSMH, was any downtown central or brownfield intensification site evaluated

1269
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,760
in the site selection process against the same criteria as a greenfield site.

1270
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:49,340
The interim CEO, sorry, Utah, has stated that no lands in the downtown area were submitted for consideration.

1271
02:05:49,580 --> 02:05:52,960
How was that reconciled with the community's stated central access priorities?

1272
02:05:54,080 --> 02:06:01,040
Through the mayor, so it's previously indicated no lands east of Highway 11 were submitted to the hospital for consideration.

1273
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:01,760
Okay.

1274
02:06:02,620 --> 02:06:07,400
L3, for both of you, did any member of the site selection task force, the OSMH Board,

1275
02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:12,220
or Lakehead hold an institutional or financial interest in Lakehead site selection, and

1276
02:06:12,220 --> 02:06:14,540
how was any such interest identified and managed?

1277
02:06:15,340 --> 02:06:18,840
Through the mayor, no, there was no conflict of interest identified.

1278
02:06:19,980 --> 02:06:20,160
Okay.

1279
02:06:20,860 --> 02:06:21,260
M1.

1280
02:06:21,540 --> 02:06:25,080
A hospital is not a permitted use on the parcel is currently zoned.

1281
02:06:25,220 --> 02:06:30,500
What planning approvals, zoning by law amendment, official plan amendment, severance site plan

1282
02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:34,000
are required who bears the cost and the risk and what is a realistic timeline.

1283
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:39,320
Through the mayor, I believe in terms of a realistic timeline.

1284
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:46,100
I look to the city for the implementation of the new official plan, which does identify a new hospital on the Lake headlands.

1285
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:56,880
And two, this is for both of you, if is West or really a water and wastewater capacity sufficient for a hospital of this size, and who funds any offsite servicing upgrades and applicable development charges?

1286
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:06,440
Through the mayors, again, these become site-specific considerations and potentially work under the official plan that identifies a new hospital advocate.

1287
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:14,760
Okay, and three, this shows for the city and or both of you, both the University Land and a hospital are exempt from property taxation.

1288
02:07:15,020 --> 02:07:21,680
What has been net municipal revenue effect of relocating the hospital, including any change in status at the existing downtown site?

1289
02:07:23,180 --> 02:07:26,560
Through the mayor, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I would reference the

1290
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:30,760
city for really economic impact study completed and I believe 2020.

1291
02:07:34,100 --> 02:07:40,360
And one, OSMH, what is the OSMH's plan and timeline for the existing downtown site once

1292
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:45,320
a new hospital opens, sale, lease, repurposing or vacancy and who realizes its value?

1293
02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:51,200
Through the mayor, so those are all considerations under what would be another capillary development

1294
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:56,060
So, once we can advance this one, we can start to formalize planning for the next.

1295
02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:02,240
And two, this is Toeosamage, has the community been consulted on relocating the hospital from downtown,

1296
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:08,160
and on the fate of the current site, given the city's 2020 study, warning of the downtown employment impact.

1297
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:17,260
Through the mayor's I referenced in our deputation, specific criteria from the public related to the new hospital,

1298
02:08:17,260 --> 02:08:19,940
did factor into our site selection process.

1299
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:26,920
Okay, oh one, OSMH, what are the planned bed, count, and gross floor area of the new hospital?

1300
02:08:27,220 --> 02:08:35,020
And does the 25 acres accommodate the building, parking, a helipad, ambulance, and service access, utility quarters, and future expansion?

1301
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:40,740
Through the mayors, these are questions that will be answered through Stage 1.3, planning once the site's confirmed.

1302
02:08:40,740 --> 02:08:41,760
Okay.

1303
02:08:42,620 --> 02:08:43,140
02.

1304
02:08:43,740 --> 02:08:54,540
What does a 25 acre site force that is that a larger site would not, for example, structure rather than surface parking and at what additional capital and operating costs over the life of the facility?

1305
02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:07,700
Through the mayor, we do not believe that there will be any forced, forced considerations on the 25 acres, but again the massing and layout of a hospital on a site occurs in detail in stage 1.3.

1306
02:09:07,700 --> 02:09:19,520
Okay. Oh, three over a 50 year horizon. What expansion does OSMH4C and from where would that land come from when a 25 acre site through the mayor. So that does get factored into the planning process.

1307
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:37,580
Oh, four, OSMH has OSMH evaluated a compact or vertical hospital design that would require materially less land and could open central or brown field options. If an analysis exists, please provide it. And if not on what basis was 25 acres adopted as the entry threshold without it.

1308
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:42,380
Through the mayor, in the province, there's a standardization criteria around redevelopment.

1309
02:09:42,860 --> 02:09:48,200
So it wouldn't be for OSMH to independently identify, we work with architects, excuse me,

1310
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:52,780
engineers and planners who specialize in healthcare redevelopment to provide guidance insight on that work.

1311
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:53,340
Okay.

1312
02:09:54,000 --> 02:10:00,980
P1 for OSMH is any provincial funding, approval, or stage endorsement contingent on this specific lake site.

1313
02:10:01,260 --> 02:10:04,980
As opposed to any adequate site or form of tenure, if so, please provide it.

1314
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:14,880
Through the mayor, so without a site, we cannot complete our stage 1.3 work and therefore cannot get approval of our 1.3.

1315
02:10:15,980 --> 02:10:26,880
P2, this is also to OSMH, has OSMH modeled a long-term lease or land trust structure and what specifically does an outright purchase provide that a long-term lease at nominal rent preserving public ownership does not.

1316
02:10:27,860 --> 02:10:36,300
Through the mayor, so that, I know, or sorry, long-term lease or land trust does not provide the organization with the rights that an outright purchase would offer.

1317
02:10:36,300 --> 02:10:43,740
Okay, P3 also for OSMH is the ministry planning grant agreement excluded, excuse me, executed.

1318
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,600
And if so, what was the date?

1319
02:10:45,940 --> 02:10:51,340
The planning project description provided to the city is a schedule to that agreement and bears no execution date.

1320
02:10:51,500 --> 02:10:58,260
And the province's commitment of up to 3 million is only as is the only funding shown to this city to be in place.

1321
02:11:00,310 --> 02:11:05,130
So yes, through the mayor, the planning grant agreement is executed, it is in place.

1322
02:11:05,470 --> 02:11:11,170
It is for $3 million to advance the planning of a Greenfield hospital located at Lake Head University.

1323
02:11:12,210 --> 02:11:13,930
Okay, Q1, this is to both of you.

1324
02:11:14,230 --> 02:11:18,890
If council consents and the land is sold, and the new hospital is then not built, whether for funding,

1325
02:11:19,130 --> 02:11:23,830
approvals, or a provincial decision, what happens to the 25 acres and will it revert to the city?

1326
02:11:24,810 --> 02:11:32,770
Through the mayor as indicated earlier, the hospital is absolutely willing to accept a protection where the land would roll back to the university.

1327
02:11:35,180 --> 02:11:46,400
Likewise, we would be willing to have that condition that it would, in the first instance, revert to Lakehead for first right of refusal and if we waive that right then to the city.

1328
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:47,180
Okay.

1329
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:47,840
Q2.

1330
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:48,660
This is to Lakehead.

1331
02:11:49,100 --> 02:11:52,980
If the academic building is not built after the sale, what happens to the proceeds and to

1332
02:11:52,980 --> 02:11:57,740
the land and will Lakehead accept a revertor and a trust over the proceeds to guard against

1333
02:11:57,740 --> 02:11:58,140
that outcome?

1334
02:12:03,340 --> 02:12:06,040
No, we would not accept a revertor and a trust.

1335
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:06,920
Okay.

1336
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:07,900
Our one.

1337
02:12:08,260 --> 02:12:12,600
For both of you, the land lies within the Williams Treaty's territory acknowledged by both institutions.

1338
02:12:12,980 --> 02:12:17,960
Has there been consultation with the affected First Nation or First Nations on the disposition

1339
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:22,500
the position of this land and the hospital project and what has been its outcomes, outcomes, excuse me.

1340
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:29,770
Through the mayors part of our site selection process, the hospital did have two members of the indigenous health council.

1341
02:12:30,210 --> 02:12:33,510
One being a member of Ramah, who participated in site selection.

1342
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:37,340
S1, this is for both of you.

1343
02:12:37,460 --> 02:12:43,620
The record shows Lakehead and OSMH advance site and sale plans in early 2026 before the city.

1344
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:47,080
The Coventy and the community steward was engaged on the substance.

1345
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:50,700
Why was the city not brought in earlier and how will the parties keep the community

1346
02:12:50,700 --> 02:12:51,560
informed from here?

1347
02:12:54,210 --> 02:12:57,110
Through the mayor, respectfully, I think there's a misrepresentation.

1348
02:12:57,310 --> 02:13:02,290
I think it's important to note that the site selection process, while it was initiated in 2023,

1349
02:13:02,930 --> 02:13:08,610
as I shared in our deputation, there was one criteria specific to the Lake Head site that warranted further work.

1350
02:13:08,770 --> 02:13:12,770
The organization spent a considerable amount of time going through due diligence,

1351
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:17,170
understand appropriate parcels, support redevelopment, along with our architects and engineers,

1352
02:13:17,630 --> 02:13:21,690
that assured us there was feasibility on the 25 acres, and at that point, I believe,

1353
02:13:21,690 --> 02:13:29,490
It was on March 30th, Lake Head and OSMA to reach out to the Marin CAO for a meeting to begin what we would hope would be a win-win-win conversation.

1354
02:13:32,070 --> 02:13:36,850
S2, this is for both of you, will both institutions commit to placing their answers to these questions on the public record?

1355
02:13:37,010 --> 02:13:38,910
Okay, we can scrap that because it's here, it's public.

1356
02:13:39,770 --> 02:13:40,850
T1, this is for OSMA.

1357
02:13:41,310 --> 02:13:43,850
If I may, we did commit to that in advance.

1358
02:13:44,230 --> 02:13:51,090
Okay, I think our response to the city was effectively that this form of active dialogue to ensure appropriate context would be the most appropriate.

1359
02:13:51,090 --> 02:13:51,750
year approach.

1360
02:13:52,130 --> 02:13:52,150
Sure.

1361
02:13:52,830 --> 02:13:58,270
T1, under OSAMH, under Ontario's capital model, the hospital's community funds, a share

1362
02:13:58,270 --> 02:14:02,790
of construction plus equipment, is the $15 million land cost part of the local share

1363
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:03,750
or in addition to it?

1364
02:14:04,230 --> 02:14:07,730
Through the mayor, the $15 million is not part of the local share.

1365
02:14:08,790 --> 02:14:10,250
And T2, this is for OSAMH.

1366
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:16,350
Ontario land transfer tax on a $15 million purchase of non-residential land is about $296,000 on

1367
02:14:16,350 --> 02:14:17,030
standard rates.

1368
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:22,470
No general exemption applies to hospitals and the tax, like the land itself, is not ministry-sharable cost.

1369
02:14:22,810 --> 02:14:25,270
Has OSMH budgeted that amount and from what source?

1370
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:30,730
Through the mayors previously indicated OSMH has the money in the bank to complete the land transfer.

1371
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:32,430
Okay, thank you.

1372
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:33,690
I appreciate the questions.

1373
02:14:33,790 --> 02:14:35,850
I think ultimately the public wants to know.

1374
02:14:35,970 --> 02:14:39,690
I think members of council we want to know, and I think at the end of the day we're all friends in the room.

1375
02:14:39,810 --> 02:14:43,010
I think we, I want to see you guys grow and succeed, like we've said.

1376
02:14:44,210 --> 02:14:48,570
But our duty at the end of the day here on council is first and foremost to the taxpayers

1377
02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:49,170
of Rulia.

1378
02:14:49,390 --> 02:14:52,290
So I will support the proposal on the table today.

1379
02:14:52,530 --> 02:14:52,990
Thank you for that.

1380
02:14:53,270 --> 02:14:57,250
I do have one further question for Dr. Sadellar as you can her Cathy could answer.

1381
02:14:57,890 --> 02:14:59,970
My understanding and correct me if I'm wrong here is that-

1382
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,120
B, C, SF, grant application. I'm curious as to what stream and how much you're seeking. My understanding is there's only at this point one stream open and it's limited to $1 million and I may be wrong on that but that's my understanding based on the record. And Lake Ed doesn't qualify the stream that's currently open. Is that correct? Mr. Mayor, that's not my understanding. I don't know, Kathy, if you have different information. I've been advised by my team that there's a new deadline.

1383
02:15:29,120 --> 02:15:36,960
That is fast approaching, and it is our intention if we have appropriate funding in place to apply for that fund.

1384
02:15:37,740 --> 02:15:38,260
Okay.

1385
02:15:39,340 --> 02:15:41,960
Kathy, is that about correct or anything to add before we?

1386
02:15:42,220 --> 02:15:44,300
It is not, that is also my interpretation, yes.

1387
02:15:44,700 --> 02:15:48,140
Okay. All right. Any other questions from Councillors or comments?

1388
02:15:49,300 --> 02:15:49,620
Councillor Kemp?

1389
02:15:50,820 --> 02:15:57,840
Thank you, Member Kaisik, and if Councillor Smith has finished, sorry, questioning our guests,

1390
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:08,260
I will make a couple of comments, you know, I've often said this that the worst thing about being a politician is the politics.

1391
02:16:08,740 --> 02:16:19,480
And it's really unfortunate when it's been said many times, there's a lot of misinformation in the community about this issue.

1392
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:27,200
and it's really unfortunate when that happens and you know when folks try to use very serious

1393
02:16:27,200 --> 02:16:33,100
issues for political advantage and that's really disappointing to me but one thing I will

1394
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:38,260
say in those questions being presented and the answer is being given.

1395
02:16:41,160 --> 02:16:42,640
As stated, I take this

1396
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:52,420
job very, very seriously. I base all my decisions on facts. And what has been provided

1397
02:16:52,420 --> 02:16:58,540
today are facts that have allowed me to get to a place where I feel that I am comfortable

1398
02:16:58,540 --> 02:17:04,620
to make a decision, which is a little surprising to me to be honest, because I didn't think

1399
02:17:04,620 --> 02:17:08,340
I would get there today, but I am at that point uncomfortable now. Thank you.

1400
02:17:09,020 --> 02:17:11,780
Thank you, Councillor Campbell, any other comments?

1401
02:17:13,780 --> 02:17:16,960
Any final comments from the hospital or Lakehead,

1402
02:17:22,050 --> 02:17:22,530
Dr. Seville?

1403
02:17:22,770 --> 02:17:23,830
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1404
02:17:24,310 --> 02:17:30,810
I will, if I may, pick up on the point that Councillor Dernford was making about the

1405
02:17:30,810 --> 02:17:35,890
text that was up on the screen and about which the CAO was questioned.

1406
02:17:36,390 --> 02:17:41,950
It is my understanding that that section of the agreement refers to a time period that begins

1407
02:17:41,950 --> 02:17:46,410
and 2059 and goes for a span of 49 years.

1408
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:51,850
So the language around excess lands and the city having a right

1409
02:17:52,490 --> 02:17:57,770
to take that land back for a dollar does not apply to the current time period.

1410
02:17:57,970 --> 02:18:00,330
And I think it's important for counselors to know that.

1411
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:05,290
Thank you for that. No one comes from us.

1412
02:18:06,350 --> 02:18:13,050
Thanks. Through the chair and staff, please stop me if this is not possible to ask, but

1413
02:18:13,050 --> 02:18:18,890
just curious if I know throughout the report we've kind of see Brownfield, Brownfield,

1414
02:18:19,010 --> 02:18:25,110
Brownfield identified. I'm just curious if Lakehead could maybe speak to a Lakehead and

1415
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:29,910
soldiers. Maybe speak to, actually, now that I think about it, it would be more soldiers,

1416
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:39,250
not like it. Speak to the challenges of developing a new hospital on a brown field site. Is there

1417
02:18:39,250 --> 02:18:43,050
a reason that that was not looked at further? Thanks.

1418
02:18:45,330 --> 02:18:46,790
Through the mayor, so there's two elements

1419
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:51,550
to the redevelopment. There's on site versus new site and then is the new site brown field or

1420
02:18:51,550 --> 02:18:57,190
green field. What has been clear through our planning is that a new hospital on a new site

1421
02:18:57,190 --> 02:19:00,390
is in the best interest of continuity of patient care.

1422
02:19:00,830 --> 02:19:05,370
It provides an improved staff and patient experience through construction.

1423
02:19:05,690 --> 02:19:08,070
It is the fastest project timeline and the cheapest.

1424
02:19:09,350 --> 02:19:14,070
Separate from that, so that is the decision for a new hospital which the ministry has clearly supported.

1425
02:19:15,090 --> 02:19:19,190
We went through a comprehensive technical site evaluation process.

1426
02:19:19,550 --> 02:19:23,810
All lands that met the minimum criteria, 25 acres of usable land,

1427
02:19:23,810 --> 02:19:30,110
were assessed against a robust sub-criteria, and Lakehead was identified as a preferred site.

1428
02:19:30,610 --> 02:19:33,710
So I wouldn't want to characterize it as a brownfield versus greenfield.

1429
02:19:34,010 --> 02:19:38,610
We had a comprehensive technical evaluation that identified Lakehead as the optimal site for

1430
02:19:38,610 --> 02:19:39,670
the hospital to be built.

1431
02:19:42,430 --> 02:19:43,110
Councillor Chenette.

1432
02:19:45,890 --> 02:19:51,190
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you so much, Lakehead and some H4, providing a lot of answers,

1433
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:52,470
engaging discussion.

1434
02:19:53,710 --> 02:19:57,370
While this council meeting went a little differently than I had envisioned, I mean, I suggested

1435
02:19:57,810 --> 02:20:02,670
several times over the years to sit down and meet, discuss, learn the facts, find a thing

1436
02:20:02,670 --> 02:20:08,950
out before we move forward. I do think we got to a point where we heard a lot of great discussion

1437
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:12,230
in dialogue and to move forward. And that's what I'm interested in doing is find a way to

1438
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:16,930
move forward. As it stands, we have a motion on the table. We've heard concerns from both parties

1439
02:20:16,930 --> 02:20:21,050
that there's peace in this motion that may not align with how they want to move forward.

1440
02:20:21,050 --> 02:20:23,110
and we've heard from some Councillors, that's the same.

1441
02:20:23,790 --> 02:20:25,610
My question is, how should we move forward?

1442
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:30,330
Should we sit down with Lakehead and the hospital

1443
02:20:30,330 --> 02:20:33,830
and craft something that we can move forward on

1444
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:35,870
or should we make a moment to this current motion?

1445
02:20:36,170 --> 02:20:36,390
Thank you.

1446
02:20:37,410 --> 02:20:40,310
That would probably be the right thing at this point.

1447
02:20:40,390 --> 02:20:42,190
I think there's conditions that Lakehead will accept

1448
02:20:42,190 --> 02:20:43,510
and conditions that they won't.

1449
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:45,530
Same with the hospital, we need to find out what those are.

1450
02:20:46,310 --> 02:20:48,070
And then craft those into motion.

1451
02:20:48,270 --> 02:20:49,730
Councilor Darnford, through the chair,

1452
02:20:49,730 --> 02:20:53,090
I believe that was a question directed at Lakehead in the hospital.

1453
02:20:53,170 --> 02:20:54,310
He was looking at me when he said it.

1454
02:20:54,490 --> 02:20:57,290
Oh, well, I believe we put the question to them as well.

1455
02:20:57,630 --> 02:20:57,710
Yep.

1456
02:20:58,430 --> 02:21:02,090
Lakehead, there are soldiers, any comments on Councillor Chetter's next question?

1457
02:21:03,550 --> 02:21:09,070
Through the mayor, certainly an expedited process given the quantity of information and quality

1458
02:21:09,070 --> 02:21:10,590
of discussion would be appreciated.

1459
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:15,130
I do believe that there's a path forward that some councillors have identified separate

1460
02:21:15,130 --> 02:21:15,790
from this motion.

1461
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:18,320
Agreed.

1462
02:21:18,460 --> 02:21:18,980
Councillor Dunford.

1463
02:21:19,100 --> 02:21:19,460
Agreed.

1464
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:32,100
I think we've heard clearly from Lake Head and Soldiers that the path forward for them does not include the proposal that is on the floor.

1465
02:21:32,900 --> 02:21:45,000
That they are not amenable to the $1 transfer and to the city providing the $15 million from its coffers with conditions.

1466
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:55,040
they have indicated that they are willing to accept conditions, they are willing to accept a

1467
02:21:55,040 --> 02:22:01,740
revertor clause, they are willing to accept conditions that the funding must be spent only

1468
02:22:01,740 --> 02:22:10,260
here in Aurelia for campus expansion. And my concern, if council adopts the motion on the

1469
02:22:10,260 --> 02:22:18,800
floor is that lake it does not bind lake head and soldiers it binds council but it does

1470
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:24,900
not bind lake head and soldiers and so if we adopt this motion lake head and soldiers

1471
02:22:24,900 --> 02:22:33,240
can and have indicated that they do not agree with this motion and I'm very concerned that

1472
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:39,100
that the next step would then be reconsideration of the site selection process.

1473
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:47,200
And I am very concerned that in that case, we may find that the hospital is not located

1474
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:47,780
in Aurelia.

1475
02:22:48,500 --> 02:22:52,320
This, the hospital has conducted their due diligence.

1476
02:22:52,800 --> 02:23:02,780
They have selected a site that works for the hospital, which has been preliminarily

1477
02:23:02,780 --> 02:23:11,640
endorsed by the province, and so we have heard that there are no other potential sites

1478
02:23:11,640 --> 02:23:16,360
in Aurelia that the hospital is willing to consider.

1479
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:24,920
So I'm very concerned that if we adopt this motion, we may see the hospital looking

1480
02:23:24,920 --> 02:23:27,320
outside of Aurelia for locations.

1481
02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:36,300
And I think that a direct sale with the conditions that protect the taxpayers of

1482
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:44,100
Arilia, that protect all parties, protect soldiers and protect Lakehead, we do have an

1483
02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:45,080
alternative motion.

1484
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:51,780
It is that direct sale with conditions to my mind that makes the most sense.

1485
02:23:51,780 --> 02:23:59,440
It does not require the city to pull $15 million from its coffers to give to Lakehead.

1486
02:23:59,780 --> 02:24:02,040
It allows Lakehead to move forward immediately.

1487
02:24:02,780 --> 02:24:05,280
It allows soldiers to move forward immediately.

1488
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:09,660
And it is clearly allowed under the development agreement.

1489
02:24:10,140 --> 02:24:13,620
Under that 1.2 D, I believe it was.

1490
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:24,120
So my preference would be to defeat the motion that is on the floor and to see the alternative

1491
02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:30,920
motion, and then council and all parties can consider that alternative motion.

1492
02:24:31,720 --> 02:24:40,620
And perhaps form this consultation committee or a tripartite committee that can determine

1493
02:24:40,620 --> 02:24:45,180
in the terms that everyone agrees to, for a direct sale.

1494
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:48,520
Councillor Dernford, I think we've got a backwards.

1495
02:24:48,740 --> 02:24:53,880
Could you explain to council how a direct sale would protect the city because if the soldiers

1496
02:24:53,880 --> 02:25:01,120
provide tomorrow or sometime in the near future, $15 million to Lakehead, they're uncertain

1497
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:04,160
about the $15 million federal portion so they don't have the funds to do it.

1498
02:25:04,460 --> 02:25:08,480
We'd have absolutely no control over what they did with that money or what they could spend

1499
02:25:08,480 --> 02:25:09,720
and Thunder Bay, they could put another,

1500
02:25:10,020 --> 02:25:12,200
they put STEM program in Berry without consultation,

1501
02:25:12,540 --> 02:25:14,420
they could continue on that path,

1502
02:25:14,620 --> 02:25:15,860
and we'd have no control.

1503
02:25:16,320 --> 02:25:16,500
Go ahead.

1504
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:20,240
I'm very happy to answer that question,

1505
02:25:20,340 --> 02:25:23,920
but really it is a question that has answered

1506
02:25:24,370 --> 02:25:27,680
several times today, and that they are more than willing

1507
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:32,500
to accept a condition on the direct sale

1508
02:25:32,500 --> 02:25:36,520
that would require them to invest the proceeds

1509
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:43,040
of the sale into the Aurelia campus and only into the Aurelia campus. And that is

1510
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:48,060
a condition that I think Council should expect, and Lakehead has agreed that they would

1511
02:25:48,060 --> 02:25:51,460
be willing to agree to that condition.

1512
02:25:51,740 --> 02:25:56,980
But the way the motion on the table is, if the Lakehead does not meet the conditions, there's

1513
02:25:56,980 --> 02:26:00,680
a remedy, Council doesn't give them the money, but in this case they have the money, there's

1514
02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:04,620
no remedy if Lakehead does not meet the condition. Council don't for it.

1515
02:26:04,620 --> 02:26:13,860
But respectfully, we have not seen the alternative motion, so you are contending that there is no remedy, except that I am saying.

1516
02:26:14,140 --> 02:26:24,840
Lakehead is saying that they are more than willing to have that remedy, to agree to a condition, and that those protections would be in place for the taxpayers of Aurelia.

1517
02:26:25,300 --> 02:26:32,120
Yeah, but Lakehead's made commitments and for whatever reason they haven't been met, so what's the condition on the commitment?

1518
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:34,660
I mean, there's none. We have, there would be no authority.

1519
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:38,520
With respect, there's none, because that motion is not on the floor.

1520
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:40,960
Well, but you've seen a motion, so what do you speak to it?

1521
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:45,520
I'm not going to speak to a motion that's not on the floor in which the public cannot see.

1522
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:51,720
And it would require the defeat of the motion that is on the floor, and then we can table the other motion.

1523
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:53,480
Why would you just amend the motion that's on the floor?

1524
02:26:55,000 --> 02:27:00,640
Because Lakehead has clearly indicated, and soldiers have clearly indicated that they will not support this,

1525
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:06,280
and that if counsel passes this, they are not bound by counsel's decision.

1526
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:09,080
We are. They are not. They can walk away.

1527
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:13,480
I think what Lake Head and the Soldiers have indicated is they don't support portions

1528
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:17,600
of it. They don't support the conditions, so why don't you adjust those conditions?

1529
02:27:20,530 --> 02:27:21,370
I'm asking you.

1530
02:27:23,700 --> 02:27:27,540
That's a question for Lake Head and Soldiers, but I think they have been abundantly clear

1531
02:27:27,540 --> 02:27:32,860
that it's not just about the conditions. In fact, the conditions seem to be the thing

1532
02:27:32,860 --> 02:27:39,020
that both, that all parties are agreeing on, everyone is agreeing on the conditions.

1533
02:27:39,460 --> 02:27:44,460
What is, what the sticking point is, is the method of the conveyance of the property.

1534
02:27:45,180 --> 02:27:52,260
And Aurelia has proposed their method, soldiers only kind of proposed their method, and they

1535
02:27:52,260 --> 02:27:56,660
have every right to not accept the city's proposal.

1536
02:27:57,180 --> 02:28:01,300
And they are asking for a direct sale with conditions.

1537
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:08,240
Just as we have a right not to accept that as I mean are we're protecting the tax fair and we need conditions

1538
02:28:09,820 --> 02:28:17,440
Let's I think if there's no further discussion we should call a vote. I think I can just move forward here order, please order

1539
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:24,980
Any other comments before we call about any other comments before we call about

1540
02:28:24,980 --> 02:28:30,020
Councillor Svola. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Is there any reason why we can't see the alternative motion?

1541
02:28:30,020 --> 02:28:34,500
Why we can't want to see the alternative motion that Council are done for.

1542
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:38,060
Mr. Kirby, could we see the alternative motion that allowed?

1543
02:28:39,640 --> 02:28:42,380
I guess this part is germane to the argument and probably should be.

1544
02:28:43,420 --> 02:28:47,500
Through your worship, we can absolutely display it.

1545
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:56,940
What's up for debate presently is the motion on the table, but there's no harm in presenting the alternative motion.

1546
02:28:56,940 --> 02:29:01,920
You're in Dave. Do you have a copy of it? Is it lengthy? Or is it

1547
02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:06,350
a giveaway or a stream?

1548
02:29:13,330 --> 02:29:14,490
Let's give everybody a minute here.

1549
02:29:15,630 --> 02:29:18,910
Do you want to read it, Christine? It's probably just as well.

1550
02:29:23,930 --> 02:29:34,310
That for the trip or at MC2618, dated August 4th, 2026 from Mayor McKisic pursuant to the development agreement between the city of rebellion, Lakehead University, governing Lakehead University's Orville campus lands.

1551
02:29:34,310 --> 02:29:37,510
Council agrees to remove the restrictions set out in the development agreement, including

1552
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:43,650
those in sections 1, 1.2, and D1 and 2, as they apply to the subject lands, comprising

1553
02:29:43,650 --> 02:29:47,350
approximately 25 acres of vacant land, and that the disposition of the subject lands

1554
02:29:47,350 --> 02:29:51,130
to a really a Soldiers Memorial Hospital for the development of the proposed campus of care

1555
02:29:51,130 --> 02:29:55,050
with the final boundaries to be determined as part of the transaction be authorized and endorsed,

1556
02:29:55,490 --> 02:29:59,050
and that City staff be directed to work with Lakehead University in a really a Soldiers Memorial

1557
02:29:59,050 --> 02:29:59,570
real hospital.

1558
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
To take all legal and administrative steps necessary to implement this approval expeditiously, including preparing amendments to the development agreement to one, wave release and delete the city and conferences, including the restrictive covenants, and write a first refusal from the lands to be conveyed to really a Soldiers Memorial Hospital, to require Lakehead University to use all sale proceeds solely for the new academic building to be constructed by Lakehead University at the Raleigh campus. And three, provide that if the proposed campus of care has not been built on the subject lands by a really a Soldiers Memorial Hospital,

1559
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:32,340
Memorial Hospital by December 30th, 2046.

1560
02:30:32,900 --> 02:30:45,980
Lakehead University shall have a right of first refusal to repurchase the subject lands on to which the covenant will be restored at that time, and if that right is not exercised or is otherwise forfeited, the city of a reliance shall have a right of first refusal to repurchase the subject lands.

1561
02:30:46,420 --> 02:30:59,720
And that city staff be authorized to repair and execute any agreements or other legal documentation necessary to give effect to this approval without the need for further council approval to the extent permitted by law and to do all things, all such things necessary to give effect to the foregoing.

1562
02:31:01,750 --> 02:31:11,030
Well, thank you for that. So, Mr. Mayor, if I may ask Lakehead and sorry, Lakehead and soldiers, is that acceptable?

1563
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:15,580
Yes, that is acceptable to Lakehead.

1564
02:31:17,860 --> 02:31:19,620
Through the Mayor and the same, this would be acceptable.

1565
02:31:19,620 --> 02:31:22,560
So, you've seen this before. You've been through this before, with legal and whatever?

1566
02:31:25,250 --> 02:31:27,610
I've not been through it with legal, but-

1567
02:31:27,610 --> 02:31:29,310
You've seen the motion that you've gone through. You're coming.

1568
02:31:29,310 --> 02:31:31,130
I'm aware of the contents of the motion, yes.

1569
02:31:31,530 --> 02:31:33,630
You saw before the rest of the council did. Interesting.

1570
02:31:34,850 --> 02:31:40,090
any other questions, Councillor Spola? The Chair, I think she's suggesting she's well-washed.

1571
02:31:40,710 --> 02:31:46,170
It just might. Any other comments on the motion that's on the table?

1572
02:31:50,020 --> 02:31:51,400
Okay, let's call

1573
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:54,820
a vote. This is a recorded vote. Absolutely.

1574
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:02,260
I'm Mr. Kirby.

1575
02:32:02,860 --> 02:32:07,680
You've worshiped again just for the benefit of Council. We're voting presently, not on what

1576
02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:12,500
was just displayed, but on the original. No, we're voting on the motion as we initially

1577
02:32:12,500 --> 02:32:16,920
The interduced by Councillor Smith and seconded by Councillor Poland.

1578
02:32:18,520 --> 02:32:23,360
Ms. Croson. Thank you, Mayor McKenzie. Recorded vote has been requested.

1579
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:26,500
When I call your name, please indicate your vote by stating yes or no.

1580
02:32:26,700 --> 02:32:28,120
I will begin with Councillor Lauer.

1581
02:32:30,460 --> 02:32:30,660
No.

1582
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:37,340
Councillor Follas. No. Councillor Sepola. Yes.

1583
02:32:38,460 --> 02:32:39,340
Councillor Campbell.

1584
02:32:42,860 --> 02:32:45,760
No. Councillor Smith. Yes.

1585
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:53,060
Yes. Councillor Letterdale. Yes. Councillor Cheddar-Chuck. No.

1586
02:32:53,900 --> 02:33:01,460
Councillor Dernford. No. Mayor McKisic. Yes. Mayor McKisic, there are four yeas and

1587
02:33:01,460 --> 02:33:09,540
five knees. The motion is lost. Order, please. Order. If we don't have order, I will clear

1588
02:33:09,540 --> 02:33:15,180
the room and that means you, Mr. Caldwell. Now we have another motion. Does anyone want

1589
02:33:37,720 --> 02:33:45,260
Can we have consultation with our CAO and legal staff before we take this into consideration?

1590
02:33:45,980 --> 02:33:52,730
Do you want to do a 10-minute recess or something, a biobrack, or have a motion for recess

1591
02:33:52,730 --> 02:33:53,110
then?

1592
02:33:54,030 --> 02:33:56,690
Moved by Councillor Sipola, seconded by Councillor Smith.

1593
02:33:56,830 --> 02:33:57,450
Through the question.

1594
02:33:57,810 --> 02:33:59,610
Sorry, just a point of clarification.

1595
02:34:00,110 --> 02:34:05,750
Is Councillor Smith suggesting a closed session or open session still confused?

1596
02:34:06,470 --> 02:34:08,790
Just a break so we can consult with our legal staff.

1597
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:12,810
This is ultimately a legal decision, and we do not have the due diligence that's required

1598
02:34:12,810 --> 02:34:13,530
for this sale.

1599
02:34:13,530 --> 02:34:18,670
So, this is, in my opinion, this would be dangerous to just accept something with no due diligence.

1600
02:34:19,010 --> 02:34:20,190
On a treat, what's the point?

1601
02:34:20,250 --> 02:34:20,590
On a treat.

1602
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:26,710
For your worship, if a council requires legal advice, we'd be happy to provide it in closed session.

1603
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:30,610
Should we move the closed session for this discussion?

1604
02:34:33,620 --> 02:34:34,620
Okay, it looks like we should.

1605
02:34:36,620 --> 02:34:41,060
Ms. Preston will then have that motion to move the closed, and let's take a ten minute recess as well.

1606
02:34:41,060 --> 02:34:41,120
Well,

1607
02:34:43,700 --> 02:34:48,500
recess then 10 minutes, sorry, 10 minute recess then closed.

1608
02:34:51,180 --> 02:34:52,220
Yes, so then.

1609
02:34:57,770 --> 02:35:00,750
That pursuant to section 239 for the Minnesota Act 2000,

1610
02:35:00,830 --> 02:35:12,350
minus so 2001, C25 notices hereby given that special counsel intends to hold a closed session meeting in the Tech Hope Mac entire boardroom to deal with a matter pursuant to section 239 to F of the said act legal matter.

1611
02:35:12,350 --> 02:35:12,410
here.

1612
02:35:13,370 --> 02:35:14,070
Moving on.

1613
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:14,350
Seconded.

1614
02:35:14,590 --> 02:35:15,350
Moving on.

1615
02:35:15,350 --> 02:35:15,610
as well.

1616
04:06:18,700 --> 04:06:48,620
We'll call the meeting back to order. Ms. Preston, do we have any motions coming out of closed session? Thank you, Mayor McKayezic. I believe council wants to bring forward an amendment to the motion that is on the floor. And Mr. Gil can place that on the display. But it's on the amendment. It's just approval and principle. I know it is an amendment, Mr. Mayor. So the motion reads as follows that the motion now before council be amended by adding the following before the first paragraph that the following be agreed to in principle, subject to the preparation

1617
04:06:48,620 --> 04:07:18,420
of any draft, heads of terms, memoranda, and related documents required to give effect to the terms thereof, collectively the draft terms, with such draft terms to be provided to the city by Lakehead University and a really soldiers memorial hospital, and to include such assurances, protections, and other provisions as those parties are prepared to offer to the city, and that Lakehead University and a really soldiers memorial hospital be requested to provide the draft terms on a before August 26, 2026, and that city staff be directed to review the draft terms and report back to council

1618
04:07:18,420 --> 04:07:23,500
on September 14, 2026, and that the balance of this resolution be deemed to be that which

1619
04:07:23,500 --> 04:07:28,060
was adopted in principle, and the rest continues on, which is the main motion, Mr. Mayor.

1620
04:07:28,400 --> 04:07:33,980
Okay. Thank you for that. So, if I give a mover and seconder, move by Councillor Spoules.

1621
04:07:34,140 --> 04:07:36,080
Seconded by Councillor Dernford. Any discussion on that motion?

1622
04:07:37,240 --> 04:07:40,860
Councillor Spoules, quickly, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm just wondering, though,

1623
04:07:41,000 --> 04:07:45,940
through Lakehead and Soldiers, if there's any changes to those dates.

1624
04:07:47,600 --> 04:07:49,220
with that acceptable to you.

1625
04:08:02,460 --> 04:08:05,220
Yes, okay. All right. It's called for a vote in the motion.

1626
04:08:05,560 --> 04:08:06,600
Oh, hold it. Hold it.

1627
04:08:07,120 --> 04:08:10,380
Oh, I'm sorry, please. I thought you were nodding your head. Yes.

1628
04:08:18,500 --> 04:08:19,180
Go ahead, Mr. Charms.

1629
04:08:19,440 --> 04:08:25,380
Thank you, through the Mayor. Just every curiosity, the report back to Council in September,

1630
04:08:26,320 --> 04:08:30,600
wondering with the upcoming election if there would be any further delay due to a lame duck

1631
04:08:30,600 --> 04:08:35,340
and when this may actually come into effect if there's any guidance that could be provided.

1632
04:08:35,340 --> 04:08:39,280
around when we might actually see this past.

1633
04:08:40,060 --> 04:08:48,940
There's no lame duck this session, because the number of Councillors who have signed back up for running it won't give us a lame duck.

1634
04:08:49,720 --> 04:08:52,480
Is that correct? I'm appraising. You're understanding, you're Ms. Kirby?

1635
04:08:55,030 --> 04:09:03,830
Your worship, it's always possible that people may withdraw from, but no one withdraws from that, Councillor Dunford.

1636
04:09:03,830 --> 04:09:13,390
Thank you. I'm just as I'm reviewing it, my recollection is that and to Mr. Roberts' point,

1637
04:09:14,190 --> 04:09:19,330
my recollection was that and the city staff shall be directed to review the draft turns and report

1638
04:09:19,330 --> 04:09:24,690
back to council on September 14th. And I think we had agreed there would be a clause in

1639
04:09:24,690 --> 04:09:33,090
And therefore, for final approval by Council on September 14th, is that possible?

1640
04:09:33,350 --> 04:09:34,330
How do you presuppose that?

1641
04:09:34,450 --> 04:09:36,650
I mean, it's the next steps that Council approves that it's done.

1642
04:09:41,360 --> 04:09:46,900
You can't condition Council's approval, but you can say, you know, Council will take the next step, which is final approval.

1643
04:09:47,100 --> 04:09:47,800
For consideration?

1644
04:09:49,320 --> 04:09:50,020
Well, that's-

1645
04:09:50,020 --> 04:09:50,680
On September 14th.

1646
04:09:51,900 --> 04:09:58,040
Is that at anything to Ms. Preston or is it pretty, I may just refer to Council for the 14th, so.

1647
04:09:58,680 --> 04:10:08,900
I'm just, what I'm hearing is that soldiers in, like, had are looking for some certainty around when Council will consider this decision.

1648
04:10:09,280 --> 04:10:20,600
And I think that we can build that into the motion, quite simply saying that staff will report back to Council for Council's consideration on September 14th.

1649
04:10:20,600 --> 04:10:32,960
So, you want to amend it then to add the word for consideration after on, for consideration on October, or September 14th, so we're proposing.

1650
04:10:33,200 --> 04:10:33,340
Okay.

1651
04:10:35,040 --> 04:10:36,640
Can we get an amendment for that then, please?

1652
04:10:42,350 --> 04:10:42,710
Mr. Mayor.

1653
04:10:44,170 --> 04:10:44,830
Councillor Follah.

1654
04:10:45,310 --> 04:10:53,050
What happens if the gentleman is correct that a couple of three or four councils take their name off the list?

1655
04:10:53,050 --> 04:11:00,650
Well then, we'll deal with that then, like, you know, what if I mean we can't, right now, that's what, you know, Councillor Campbell.

1656
04:11:01,130 --> 04:11:22,810
Sorry to further complicate the situation, but the only way to eliminate that as an issue would be for the documents that are being requested come, you provide them, and we could have a special meeting prior to the 21st.

1657
04:11:22,810 --> 04:11:28,670
of August. That would be the only way to ensure that Lane Dock is an issue here.

1658
04:11:28,950 --> 04:11:29,510
Yeah, absolutely.

1659
04:11:33,990 --> 04:11:34,530
I'm a brief.

1660
04:11:37,480 --> 04:11:41,760
So I'm not sure if I understand the link.

1661
04:11:42,100 --> 04:11:46,500
Like how does Lane Dock impact this question for Council?

1662
04:11:47,120 --> 04:11:49,000
I don't think it does unless anyone has a-

1663
04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:54,380
You're looking at this Council, looking at a disposition at more than $1.

1664
04:11:54,780 --> 04:11:57,940
So if the Council is not looking at a financial disposition,

1665
04:11:57,940 --> 04:12:10,600
then what is it that does not impact would, what financial threshold would council be crossing past the August 21st deadline?

1666
04:12:11,320 --> 04:12:15,520
Anybody? I would agree with you. I don't think it has any. Councillor Follas.

1667
04:12:16,940 --> 04:12:27,580
Through the chair, I guess my one thought being that it, the deadline's arbitrary, but more kind of the pressing nature of the subject.

1668
04:12:27,580 --> 04:12:34,180
the fact that I think the desire of both soldiers and lake is to address it sooner rather than later.

1669
04:12:35,360 --> 04:12:40,820
Okay. Anybody else? Do you have that amendment ready? When do you read that amendment, Miss Preston?

1670
04:12:43,320 --> 04:12:45,840
First of all, before you read it, make sure Councillor Dernford is okay with that.

1671
04:12:46,980 --> 04:12:52,240
That the motion now before council be further amended by adding the following after the word council and the third paragraph for consideration.

1672
04:12:52,740 --> 04:12:56,020
Councillor Ferdinand. Councillor Ferdinand. Okay, you're going to move that. Secondor.

1673
04:12:56,460 --> 04:13:01,380
By the way, the day I'll. Any discussion on the amendment? All those. In favor of the amendment?

1674
04:13:02,280 --> 04:13:08,600
The amendment's carried back to the original motion is amended. Any further discussion? Any further discussion?

1675
04:13:09,700 --> 04:13:14,480
Is there an amendment? If you're paying attention, you would know we just passed the amendment.

1676
04:13:14,900 --> 04:13:19,140
That was one amendment, but there was an original amendment. You should pay attention, man.

1677
04:13:20,120 --> 04:13:26,000
There was amendment to amendment that was just passed, so now we go back to the amendment for a vote.

1678
04:13:26,220 --> 04:13:27,860
And then we'll go back to the same relation as an amendment.

1679
04:13:28,220 --> 04:13:30,660
So we're voting on the amendment now.

1680
04:13:31,780 --> 04:13:33,660
Okay, any further questions on the amendment?

1681
04:13:34,960 --> 04:13:35,240
Sure.

1682
04:13:36,020 --> 04:13:36,320
Go ahead.

1683
04:13:36,760 --> 04:13:37,760
Thank you, Mayor McKisic.

1684
04:13:38,640 --> 04:13:46,860
While we have the parties here, I feel it would have been valuable to have the parties involved in timeline discussions.

1685
04:13:46,860 --> 04:14:03,220
but being as you are here and now, let's have those discussions and I'm certainly willing to put forward an amendment that shortens this timeline if you are comfortable with that being as it's your two parties that will have to be providing the documents required.

1686
04:14:03,640 --> 04:14:05,700
Is that something you would like entertained?

1687
04:14:09,120 --> 04:14:14,300
through the mayor may be beneficial for a five minute recess just so we could have a conversation with

1688
04:21:32,910 --> 04:21:34,730
All right. Let's call the meeting back to order.

1689
04:21:39,950 --> 04:21:42,350
Now, we're dealing with the order, please.

1690
04:21:45,200 --> 04:22:09,420
Order. We're dealing now with the amendment. Any further changes? The amendment comes, Campbell. Thank you, Mayor McCusick. So I'm sorry. I just just occurred to me. So I haven't had a chance to talk to staff and hopefully we won't need a recess, but we may. What I would suggest is an amendment to modify the timelines so that these documents be provided by staff in advance.

1691
04:22:09,420 --> 04:22:15,200
advance of our upcoming meeting on Monday for a counsel to consider.

1692
04:22:15,780 --> 04:22:19,960
So you're going to make an amendment to add documentation for Monday's meeting?

1693
04:22:21,160 --> 04:22:30,360
The documents be provided to staff prior to Monday's meeting and that the issue come back to counsel on Monday's meeting for consideration.

1694
04:22:30,600 --> 04:22:34,440
Which recommendation do I invite the ones that the lake head would provide us and soldier provide us?

1695
04:22:34,440 --> 04:22:39,280
that's correct. So they're going to have their legal do heads of terms and bring it back to us

1696
04:22:39,280 --> 04:22:44,000
by Monday. Just they're here. Are you're both parties are comfortable with that? Okay.

1697
04:22:44,760 --> 04:22:50,960
I'm seeing. No, it's yep. Okay, so it will be on or before August 10th and so the 26th,

1698
04:22:50,960 --> 04:22:54,640
is that correct? That's good. That is correct. Okay, so we'll need an amendment for that.

1699
04:22:57,780 --> 04:23:02,620
Quick, he's already done. He's already way ahead of it. Okay,

1700
04:23:05,260 --> 04:23:06,680
one of your posts that

1701
04:23:06,680 --> 04:23:07,480
on up and read it?

1702
04:23:17,960 --> 04:23:21,040
Okay. Does that do it, Councillor Campbell?

1703
04:23:26,780 --> 04:23:30,560
So then the September 14th date would be changed to August 10th.

1704
04:23:30,920 --> 04:23:31,680
August what?

1705
04:23:32,080 --> 04:23:32,940
August 10th.

1706
04:23:33,700 --> 04:23:34,740
August 10th.

1707
04:23:35,020 --> 04:23:35,100
Yeah.

1708
04:23:37,720 --> 04:23:43,120
Sorry, just to be clear here, so what this means is that both parties would provide the documentation

1709
04:23:43,120 --> 04:23:48,280
to staff in advance of the August 10th meeting and that this issue would come back to

1710
04:23:48,280 --> 04:23:51,220
Council at the August 10th meeting for consideration.

1711
04:23:52,520 --> 04:23:53,420
I'm afraid.

1712
04:23:54,840 --> 04:24:01,780
So your worship, then, I would request respectfully that Council to delete the second part of that

1713
04:24:02,480 --> 04:24:08,900
with respect to staff review, so those organizations can provide the information directly to Council

1714
04:24:08,900 --> 04:24:13,620
by August 10th, and then staff will review after that.

1715
04:24:13,620 --> 04:24:23,940
So because there's two working days between now and Monday, and I respectfully do not believe

1716
04:24:23,940 --> 04:24:30,100
that I would be in a position, or the city's legal team would be in a position to do a meaningful

1717
04:24:30,100 --> 04:24:38,140
review and report back to Council in an important legal issue within 48 hours.

1718
04:24:38,140 --> 04:24:42,220
Councillor Gammal. Thank you. If I may respond to that, with all

1719
04:24:42,220 --> 04:24:51,700
due respect, Mr. Sidhu, we were provided with the motion we discussed earlier, three

1720
04:24:51,700 --> 04:24:57,180
hours before this meeting. And we've been provided with other documents,

1721
04:24:57,600 --> 04:25:03,620
for example, your 300 page report, with little time to digest it before meetings.

1722
04:25:03,620 --> 04:25:08,820
So, I feel that it's a fair request.

1723
04:25:09,120 --> 04:25:12,760
With the 300 page report that we decided to defer on it to a digested it.

1724
04:25:13,620 --> 04:25:14,400
Um, breathe.

1725
04:25:15,000 --> 04:25:22,060
To your worship, you know, my respectful submission is that staff are at council's direction.

1726
04:25:23,360 --> 04:25:36,980
It is, in my view, impractical and onerous to expect to short-line the timelines that

1727
04:25:36,980 --> 04:25:45,500
we had discussed in closed session that were four weeks to essentially 24 working hours.

1728
04:25:45,500 --> 04:25:55,880
If that is what diligence that Council requires, then, you know, will provide an

1729
04:25:55,880 --> 04:25:57,860
un-exhaustive review.

1730
04:26:00,520 --> 04:26:04,540
That's, that's entirely Council's prerogative. It's, if you want

1731
04:26:04,540 --> 04:26:12,300
in-depth review and comments, then provide us with the time, if you want cursory remarks,

1732
04:26:16,060 --> 04:26:19,420
I think it requires a proper review, and I could accept a cursory review.

1733
04:26:20,840 --> 04:26:21,500
Anybody else?

1734
04:26:25,000 --> 04:26:25,800
All right.

1735
04:26:26,560 --> 04:26:27,560
All right.

1736
04:26:27,720 --> 04:26:30,920
Sagan, what dates do you have in there?

1737
04:26:32,480 --> 04:26:37,280
No, the August 10th doesn't work, I think I'm afraid I said that, and I wouldn't accept August 10th as the date for final review.

1738
04:26:37,280 --> 04:26:37,360
Yeah.

1739
04:26:37,760 --> 04:26:38,700
That's sorry, respectfully.

1740
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:44,260
I'm putting that amendment forward and up to the will of council.

1741
04:26:49,120 --> 04:26:53,380
We need to so when you read it and then Councillor Campbell can move it.

1742
04:26:54,320 --> 04:26:58,060
That the motion now before council be amended by deleting the following from the second paragraph,

1743
04:26:58,360 --> 04:27:03,800
August 26, 2026 and replace with the following August 10, 2026 and that the following paragraph

1744
04:27:04,380 --> 04:27:05,100
be deleted?

1745
04:27:05,260 --> 04:27:07,000
Are we doing that Councillor Campbell?

1746
04:27:08,140 --> 04:27:08,180
No.

1747
04:27:08,360 --> 04:27:08,480
Okay.

1748
04:27:08,620 --> 04:27:08,720
Sorry.

1749
04:27:08,720 --> 04:27:09,180
All right, thank you.

1750
04:27:10,360 --> 04:27:10,800
Okay.

1751
04:27:11,400 --> 04:27:11,840
All right.

1752
04:27:11,920 --> 04:27:12,520
Is that your amendment?

1753
04:27:12,680 --> 04:27:13,040
Councillor Campbell?

1754
04:27:14,100 --> 04:27:14,220
Yeah.

1755
04:27:14,220 --> 04:27:14,560
Mover?

1756
04:27:16,000 --> 04:27:16,440
Mover?

1757
04:27:16,540 --> 04:27:17,000
Councillor Campbell.

1758
04:27:17,360 --> 04:27:17,560
Thank you.

1759
04:27:18,840 --> 04:27:19,280
Seconder.

1760
04:27:19,800 --> 04:27:20,680
Councillor Flores-Lauer.

1761
04:27:20,960 --> 04:27:21,280
Any discussion?

1762
04:27:21,920 --> 04:27:22,460
Councillor Chichac.

1763
04:27:23,460 --> 04:27:24,300
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1764
04:27:25,260 --> 04:27:29,800
What I'm hearing from staff and members of the council and from our partners is we do want

1765
04:27:29,800 --> 04:27:31,600
to get this take care of in a timely manner.

1766
04:27:32,180 --> 04:27:34,520
There's concerns around the lame duck possible period.

1767
04:27:34,680 --> 04:27:38,520
I mean, as a currently standard right now, I believe council is currently lame duck.

1768
04:27:38,520 --> 04:27:43,960
unless my calculations are wrong, as we have six possible positions to be filled, we need seven.

1769
04:27:45,260 --> 04:27:51,600
So with that being said, I will propose an amendment to the amendment and so forth.

1770
04:27:52,160 --> 04:27:58,700
That's, if we receive the documents by August 10th, maybe we do a special meeting council by August 20th.

1771
04:27:58,800 --> 04:28:07,440
Good staffed on a review, it's just over, you know, a week and a half, is that amenable for other members to council?

1772
04:28:13,640 --> 04:28:23,320
I'm sure the timelines would work for the parties. I'm just concerned about AMO happens, and some folks are away, and some staff are away, so I'm just concerned about that timeline.

1773
04:28:45,140 --> 04:28:53,320
I think this is going to prove to be pretty simple exercise.

1774
04:28:54,200 --> 04:29:00,020
I'm quite willing to go to the 10th, receive these, if staff can give us some sort of comment

1775
04:29:00,020 --> 04:29:06,000
on it, then fine. If we see some red flags, then we can at that meeting decide when we

1776
04:29:06,000 --> 04:29:11,780
can have a special meeting to deal with it. But I think if we all just agree to work

1777
04:29:11,780 --> 04:29:16,280
on the August 10th deadline, I think we might be surprised that we can get this done.

1778
04:29:16,660 --> 04:29:19,120
Okay. All right, Councillor Campbell, you're going to move this amendment.

1779
04:29:20,560 --> 04:29:21,120
No, I'm a priest.

1780
04:29:21,740 --> 04:29:24,640
No, we had. It's moved in. Sorry, Gary. I'm a priest.

1781
04:29:26,120 --> 04:29:31,640
Your Worship, what I'm hearing is that Council is comfortable with receiving the draft.

1782
04:29:32,120 --> 04:29:37,640
So, my request is that it be provided directly to Council and the staff review condition be

1783
04:29:37,640 --> 04:29:43,320
removed. If on review, on August the 10th, Council wants staff review, staff will be pleased

1784
04:29:43,320 --> 04:29:47,540
to provide that review. So, it appears from the conversation that I'm hearing this Council

1785
04:29:47,540 --> 04:29:48,840
is quite comfortable in receiving.

1786
04:29:48,880 --> 04:29:52,180
I don't mind it being provided the Council at the same time, but I want to staff review.

1787
04:29:52,180 --> 04:29:55,260
I'm not going to go forward with this, whether I've sat for you, there's too much to say here.

1788
04:29:57,520 --> 04:29:59,980
Somebody's got to protect the citizens of earlier if it's wrong.

1789
04:30:01,340 --> 04:30:08,160
Now, we've got the amendment on the table. Let's vote in the amendment if there's no further discussion. All those in favor of the amendment?

1790
04:30:10,760 --> 04:30:15,320
The amendment's passed. Okay. Now, back to the original amended motion.

1791
04:30:18,820 --> 04:30:21,560
Yeah. Back to the amended motion. Any further discussion on that?

1792
04:30:24,530 --> 04:30:24,650
Yeah.

1793
04:30:37,750 --> 04:30:41,210
All right. Let's call for vote on the amended motion. All those in favor?

1794
04:30:43,530 --> 04:30:44,750
Are we calling for a vote?

1795
04:30:49,980 --> 04:30:51,840
This is on it before August 10th.

1796
04:30:51,840 --> 04:30:52,700
The

1797
04:30:56,930 --> 04:31:00,310
one? Councillor Campbell told her to take that out.

1798
04:31:00,710 --> 04:31:00,930
The

1799
04:31:05,790 --> 04:31:08,910
review to stay in, but obviously the date had to change.

1800
04:31:09,190 --> 04:31:10,510
No, but you didn't change it on your amendment.

1801
04:31:12,470 --> 04:31:15,990
Councillor Campbell, the amendment you proposed is here.

1802
04:31:16,210 --> 04:31:17,210
I asked you if that's okay.

1803
04:31:17,550 --> 04:31:18,250
You said it was okay.

1804
04:31:19,390 --> 04:31:20,050
No, not so much.

1805
04:31:21,930 --> 04:31:27,710
Mayor McKisic, with all due respect, I know you don't like to show much to the rest of us,

1806
04:31:27,710 --> 04:31:29,570
But with all due respect to you,

1807
04:31:32,110 --> 04:31:44,150
I thought that I was being asked to remove the staff review portion of this, which I did not want removed.

1808
04:31:44,930 --> 04:31:50,090
The date being changed to the 10th obviously has to be changed in both sections.

1809
04:31:50,690 --> 04:31:53,270
And I understood that that's what the amendment was doing.

1810
04:31:54,050 --> 04:31:58,730
I understood that what I was being asked was to remove the staff review.

1811
04:31:59,210 --> 04:32:01,530
Councillor Campbell, if you're going to amend this, let's just amend it.

1812
04:32:01,590 --> 04:32:07,450
Do you want the September 10th, the consideration to say August 10th, instead of September 14th?

1813
04:32:07,490 --> 04:32:08,210
Is that what you're now amending?

1814
04:32:08,910 --> 04:32:09,530
Yes, please.

1815
04:32:09,650 --> 04:32:10,370
Okay, you're sure.

1816
04:32:12,290 --> 04:32:14,150
Because we just got to throw one more dig in there.

1817
04:32:14,230 --> 04:32:16,430
No, I mean, you're wasting the council's time.

1818
04:32:16,430 --> 04:32:17,210
Shall I ask respect?

1819
04:32:17,470 --> 04:32:18,670
We will show where you're going to stand.

1820
04:32:18,670 --> 04:32:19,450
I'm trying to show you.

1821
04:32:19,710 --> 04:32:20,810
You're out of order, Councillor Campbell.

1822
04:32:20,990 --> 04:32:21,610
I'm trying to show you.

1823
04:32:21,610 --> 04:32:25,450
I'm out of order. You've been out of order for four years, and I'm out of order.

1824
04:32:25,630 --> 04:32:30,270
Excuse me. Order. I will clear the gallery the next time I hear clapping.

1825
04:32:31,450 --> 04:32:35,830
Councillor Campbell, you had the motion in front of you. You said it was okay.

1826
04:32:36,070 --> 04:32:40,230
Now you're good to come back again. I just want to make sure we're good so we don't go through this again.

1827
04:32:40,470 --> 04:32:45,530
Is this okay? I have explained this. As you've said previously, perhaps you should pay attention.

1828
04:32:45,950 --> 04:32:51,230
I am paying attention. I explained how we arrived here. Yes. I would like an amendment to change that

1829
04:32:51,230 --> 04:32:56,290
to the 10th. Okay, so you're moving this, I'll have Ms. Pressure to read this and you can move it.

1830
04:32:56,610 --> 04:32:57,090
I'm sorry.

1831
04:32:57,490 --> 04:32:59,310
Before you hold on, I'm very sorry. Go ahead.

1832
04:33:00,750 --> 04:33:07,230
The Worship has previously requested. I would request that the condition for staff review be also removed.

1833
04:33:07,750 --> 04:33:13,210
Council can receive the terms directly on August 10th and provide, either approve them as received,

1834
04:33:13,710 --> 04:33:19,150
or provide staff the time it legitimately requires for a full sum review.

1835
04:33:19,150 --> 04:33:24,310
So, if Council wants to proceed on August 10th, there is a very easy path to it.

1836
04:33:24,870 --> 04:33:27,390
The partners will provide the drafts' heads of terms.

1837
04:33:27,710 --> 04:33:30,470
Two Council will consider them on August 10th.

1838
04:33:30,570 --> 04:33:33,130
If Council is satisfied, Council can proceed.

1839
04:33:33,490 --> 04:33:39,310
If Council requires a full sums review by staff, then Council, I respectfully request Council

1840
04:33:39,310 --> 04:33:43,110
to provide staff the time required for their review.

1841
04:33:43,950 --> 04:33:44,190
Okay.

1842
04:33:44,190 --> 04:33:51,210
Okay. So, Ms. Preston, if we then have to have an amendment to remove the staff portion, do we have to amend this?

1843
04:33:55,030 --> 04:33:55,610
Go ahead.

1844
04:33:57,170 --> 04:34:06,510
That the motion now before council be amended by deleting the following paragraph, and that city staff be directed to review the draft terms and report back to council for consideration on September 14th, 2026.

1845
04:34:12,520 --> 04:34:14,020
Okay, whose motion is this?

1846
04:34:22,940 --> 04:34:27,120
Through the mayor, whose motion is that? The CAO? The CAO can put motions on the floor?

1847
04:34:27,140 --> 04:34:27,880
No, he's suggesting.

1848
04:34:27,880 --> 04:34:31,860
That's an interesting turn of events.

1849
04:34:32,300 --> 04:34:32,920
I'm a preacher.

1850
04:34:34,120 --> 04:34:37,560
Chairvership, that is staff's respectful request to council.

1851
04:34:37,860 --> 04:34:43,260
That if council requires staff to provide a full-sum review, that staff be provided

1852
04:34:44,140 --> 04:34:49,440
time to conduct that full-sum review, and the alternative, our partners are going to provide

1853
04:34:49,440 --> 04:34:51,720
terms to council for August end.

1854
04:34:52,180 --> 04:34:57,280
And if council is satisfied with the terms, then council would be able to approve those

1855
04:34:57,280 --> 04:34:58,360
terms right there and then.

1856
04:34:58,360 --> 04:35:01,900
Okay. Can we get this move then seconded for discussion?

1857
04:35:02,640 --> 04:35:08,640
Councillor Dermford. Thank you. So there was a suggestion of a special meeting on the

1858
04:35:08,640 --> 04:35:16,000
20th and we've heard from members of Councillor that doesn't work. So in respect of staff being

1859
04:35:16,000 --> 04:35:24,380
able to provide feedback, is there a date that all parties can agree on prior to September

1860
04:35:24,380 --> 04:35:37,480
for a special meeting specifically for the consideration of these terms with feedback from our staff that meets everyone's concerns.

1861
04:35:37,800 --> 04:35:40,280
Should we wait and see what happens on the 10th to determine that date?

1862
04:35:41,260 --> 04:35:52,840
I would be more comfortable if we set a date for that meeting and I would suggest perhaps the August 24th.

1863
04:35:56,590 --> 04:36:00,170
Or the week of August 10th, yeah, any time.

1864
04:36:00,170 --> 04:36:01,610
What do we just decide on the 10th?

1865
04:36:01,690 --> 04:36:02,850
I mean, that way we'll have the information.

1866
04:36:03,030 --> 04:36:05,550
We'll know how arduous it is, how we might not need any time.

1867
04:36:05,830 --> 04:36:08,650
We've heard from our staff that staff need time to review

1868
04:36:08,650 --> 04:36:12,990
and we have respect for staff, so we want their feedback.

1869
04:36:13,930 --> 04:36:20,370
So, yes, a date in that week of August 10th may work for everyone.

1870
04:36:23,820 --> 04:36:27,980
So, then, Councillor Duhn, for what are you suggesting in terms of discussion?

1871
04:36:30,560 --> 04:36:40,740
I'm suggesting an amendment to schedule a special meeting on August 13th or 14th, if the staff

1872
04:36:40,740 --> 04:36:43,180
feel that they would have time to provide feedback by that time.

1873
04:36:43,200 --> 04:36:52,530
I'm pretty to your worship, so a couple of things when this matter was discussed in the time

1874
04:36:52,530 --> 04:36:59,170
guidelines for being discussed. The opportunity that was afforded to staff was about three

1875
04:36:59,170 --> 04:37:06,090
weeks. I think that is fair and reasonable. If Council wants does not think that that

1876
04:37:06,090 --> 04:37:11,410
is fair and reasonable, we'll leave it up to Council to determine what the determine

1877
04:37:11,410 --> 04:37:15,970
is fair and reasonable for staff to provide a full-sum review and report back to Council.

1878
04:37:17,150 --> 04:37:19,110
Okay. Anybody else?

1879
04:37:19,370 --> 04:37:19,750
It's

1880
04:37:24,870 --> 04:37:25,370
on the table.

1881
04:37:26,230 --> 04:37:26,570
No.

1882
04:37:26,950 --> 04:37:27,170
Okay.

1883
04:37:27,190 --> 04:37:28,030
That's not it.

1884
04:37:28,130 --> 04:37:31,710
So let's go back to, are we going to put this on the table in?

1885
04:37:33,690 --> 04:37:36,130
The request by staff for you to be removed.

1886
04:37:38,740 --> 04:37:41,780
Let's put that motion back up if you would, Karen Deeb.

1887
04:37:42,380 --> 04:37:44,560
Could we get a mover and seconder on this for discussion?

1888
04:37:45,600 --> 04:37:46,980
To remove the staff for you?

1889
04:37:48,970 --> 04:37:49,370
Anybody?

1890
04:37:51,760 --> 04:37:54,120
So we're going to have a staff review of the staff, it's not going to do.

1891
04:37:54,120 --> 04:37:56,920
All right. Let's move to the next one.

1892
04:38:09,300 --> 04:38:10,040
That's already done.

1893
04:38:10,980 --> 04:38:12,680
We're back to the motion is amended, right?

1894
04:38:15,020 --> 04:38:15,780
Okay. Go ahead.

1895
04:38:18,740 --> 04:38:19,100
Okay.

1896
04:38:19,720 --> 04:38:21,620
And now we're back to the motion amended motion.

1897
04:38:22,020 --> 04:38:33,960
Uh, uh, uh, three new member, Kaiser. We have one final amendment where we, the motion now before council be amended by deleting the following from the third paragraph, August 26, 2026 and replace with the following August 10, 2026.

1898
04:38:33,960 --> 04:38:36,760
Okay. So that's a motion on the table to move to the seconded. Any further discussion?

1899
04:38:36,980 --> 04:38:38,500
Sorry, Mr. Mayor. We need a mover and seconder.

1900
04:38:38,500 --> 04:38:44,300
Okay, mover by Campbell's second by Lauer. Any discussion? All those in favor? That motion is carried.

1901
04:38:45,100 --> 04:38:49,020
Now back to the amended motion. Okay, we'll just need a minute to populate it.

1902
04:38:49,680 --> 04:38:54,660
He's got it. Any further discussion on this amended motion?

1903
04:38:56,940 --> 04:38:58,860
None noted? We'll call for a vote. All those in favor?

1904
04:39:01,430 --> 04:39:03,510
Oh, Geoff, do you have a question? Are you voting?

1905
04:39:05,570 --> 04:39:06,930
No. Go ahead.

1906
04:39:22,040 --> 04:39:22,660
Councillor Dernford.

1907
04:39:23,840 --> 04:39:25,260
Thank you. One more kick at the can.

1908
04:39:25,260 --> 04:39:33,640
And so in respect to what staff have communicated that they need time to provide direction and

1909
04:39:33,640 --> 04:39:41,040
that we look forward to that direction, I would and I'm hearing a period of about two

1910
04:39:41,040 --> 04:39:41,360
weeks.

1911
04:39:42,020 --> 04:39:49,780
So if council is amenable, I would propose a special meeting on August 21st to dispose

1912
04:39:49,780 --> 04:39:57,780
those of this and I seem to be hearing that we have time that would give staff a time

1913
04:39:57,780 --> 04:40:00,520
to provide us with a review.

1914
04:40:01,140 --> 04:40:04,000
Do you want to propose that now versus a wait to money to clarify it?

1915
04:40:05,360 --> 04:40:10,080
If it's the will of council, if it isn't, I would throw that out to two council.

1916
04:40:10,380 --> 04:40:12,060
I'd just rather wait to Monday to see what we have.

1917
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:13,240
I mean, it could be all done Monday.

1918
04:40:15,820 --> 04:40:16,360
Anybody else?

1919
04:40:16,720 --> 04:40:16,880
Okay.

1920
04:40:17,460 --> 04:40:19,720
Let's go back to the, so this is a motion as amended.

1921
04:40:19,720 --> 04:40:20,680
All right.

1922
04:40:22,300 --> 04:40:29,040
Through your worship, I just saw that the record states what staff, staff respectfully

1923
04:40:29,040 --> 04:40:39,660
submit that this is not sufficient time, a 24-hour, 48-hour turnaround, is not sufficient

1924
04:40:39,660 --> 04:40:42,040
time for staff to do a full-sum review.

1925
04:40:42,960 --> 04:40:49,480
That is staff submission for the record, staff have to proceed with council direction.

1926
04:40:50,460 --> 04:40:51,740
Councillor Dern for the last point.

1927
04:40:52,680 --> 04:40:52,840
Yeah.

1928
04:40:53,020 --> 04:40:59,660
In light of that, I would like to move a motion for a special meeting on August 21st.

1929
04:40:59,800 --> 04:41:10,460
And specifically to consider this question and to receive staff feedback and to settle

1930
04:41:10,460 --> 04:41:12,280
the matter, make our final decision.

1931
04:41:12,940 --> 04:41:17,820
And I would like to move that motion, see if we have a second or if we don't and if it

1932
04:41:17,820 --> 04:41:18,340
It doesn't pass.

1933
04:41:18,660 --> 04:41:20,420
It's the will of council, but I would like to move that.

1934
04:41:20,560 --> 04:41:20,680
Please.

1935
04:41:23,160 --> 04:41:23,760
Go ahead.

1936
04:42:04,950 --> 04:42:06,030
Did you see it?

1937
04:42:09,010 --> 04:42:09,410
Yeah.

1938
04:42:10,210 --> 04:42:10,410
Yeah.

1939
04:42:15,370 --> 04:42:16,410
Where do you ask the council?

1940
04:42:18,850 --> 04:42:19,570
County is it?

1941
04:42:48,110 --> 04:42:48,510
Okay.

1942
04:42:48,710 --> 04:42:49,310
Mr. Preston.

1943
04:42:49,490 --> 04:42:50,150
How about that amendment?

1944
04:42:50,670 --> 04:42:52,810
That the motion number four council be amended by adding the following

1945
04:42:52,810 --> 04:42:56,330
out to the third paragraph and that a special meeting of council be scheduled on August 21st,

1946
04:42:56,350 --> 04:42:58,730
2026 to receive staff feedback and consider the matter.

1947
04:42:58,730 --> 04:43:01,330
Councillor Dernford, is that me here? I can get you to move that.

1948
04:43:02,850 --> 04:43:04,150
Seconder, I have a discussion.

1949
04:43:06,410 --> 04:43:07,230
Chair to check.

1950
04:43:09,010 --> 04:43:15,660
Okay, I'll call the vote. All those in favour? All those opposed? Most is defeated.

1951
04:43:16,980 --> 04:43:19,940
You had two in favour? And that was it?

1952
04:43:22,240 --> 04:43:26,960
It's defeated, sorry. Okay, let's move on again to the emotion as amended.

1953
04:43:30,400 --> 04:43:35,480
Any further discussion? Call for vote on that. All those in favor? That motion is carried.

1954
04:43:38,100 --> 04:43:39,160
Back to the main motion.

1955
04:43:44,060 --> 04:43:44,920
I bet you do.

1956
04:46:01,010 --> 04:46:07,150
Okay, no. I think we've got, let's just make sure council are comfortable with it. And then we're going to call a vote on the main motion as amended.

1957
04:46:07,170 --> 04:46:10,610
provided by the city by Lake Head University and a really soldiers memorial hospital.

1958
04:46:11,150 --> 04:46:15,750
And to include such assurances, protections, and other provisions as those parties are prepared to offer to the city.

1959
04:46:16,250 --> 04:46:22,150
And that Lake Head University and a really soldiers memorial hospital be requested to provide the draft terms on a before August 10, 2026.

1960
04:46:22,690 --> 04:46:28,130
And that city staff be directed to review the draft terms and report back to Council for consideration on August 10, 2026.

1961
04:46:28,710 --> 04:46:32,090
And that the balance of this resolution be deemed to be that which was adopted in principle.

1962
04:46:32,090 --> 04:46:37,270
and that further to report MC-2618 dated August 4th, 26th from Mayor McKisic,

1963
04:46:37,650 --> 04:46:40,630
pursuant to the development agreement between the City of Arrillian Lakehead University,

1964
04:46:40,750 --> 04:46:42,910
governing Lakehead University's Arrillian campus lands.

1965
04:46:43,370 --> 04:46:45,970
Council agrees to remove the restrictions set out in the development agreement,

1966
04:46:46,210 --> 04:46:51,490
including those in sections 1, 1.2 and D1 and 2, as they apply to the subject lands comprising

1967
04:46:51,490 --> 04:46:55,490
out approximately 25 acres of vacant land, and that the disposition of the subject lands

1968
04:46:55,490 --> 04:46:59,230
to Arrillian's Soldiers Memorial Hospital for the development of the proposed campus of care

1969
04:46:59,230 --> 04:47:29,210
with the final boundaries to be determined as part of the transaction be authorized and endorsed and that city staff be directed to work with Lakehead University, and a really soldiers memorial hospital to take all legal administrative steps necessary to implement this approval expeditiously, including preparing amendments to the development agreement to one way of release and delay the city and conferences, including the restrictive covenants and right of first refusal from the lands to be conveyed to building a soldier's memorial hospital to require Lakehead University to use all sale proceeds solely for the new academic building to be constructed by Lakehead University.

1970
04:47:29,210 --> 04:47:59,190
at the really campus, and three provide that if the proposed campus of care has not been built on the subject lands by your really soldiers Memorial Hospital by December 31st, 2046, Lincoln University shall have a right of first refusal to repurchase the subject lands onto which the covenant will be restored at that time and if that right is not exercised or otherwise forfeited the city of a really should have a right of first refusal to repurchase the subject lands and that city staff be authorized to prepare and execute any agreements or other legal documentation necessary to give effect to this approval without the need for

1971
04:47:59,190 --> 04:48:03,430
for further council approval to the extent permitted by law and to do all such things

1972
04:48:03,430 --> 04:48:05,090
necessary to give effect to the foregoing.

1973
04:48:06,130 --> 04:48:07,930
Okay. Anybody? Councillor Smith?

1974
04:48:08,550 --> 04:48:09,550
I would like a recorded vote.

1975
04:48:10,510 --> 04:48:13,810
Okay. Let's have a recorded vote. Call the vote. Go ahead.

1976
04:48:17,820 --> 04:48:21,100
Thank you, Mayor McKisic. When I call your name, please indicate your vote by stating yes

1977
04:48:21,100 --> 04:48:22,780
or no. I will begin again with Councillor Lauer.

1978
04:48:23,940 --> 04:48:24,140
Yes.

1979
04:48:25,220 --> 04:48:25,900
Councillor Follas.

1980
04:48:29,730 --> 04:48:31,050
Mr. Mayor, can you turn your mic off?

1981
04:48:31,250 --> 04:48:33,730
Yes. Councillor Sipola.

1982
04:48:34,230 --> 04:48:34,470
Yes.

1983
04:48:34,470 --> 04:48:42,330
Councillor Campbell. Yes. Councillor Smith. No. Councillor Leatherdale. Yes. Councillor

1984
04:48:42,330 --> 04:48:51,670
Cheddar-Chuck. Yes. Councillor Dernford. Yes. And Mayor McKisic. Yes. Mayor McKisic,

1985
04:48:51,850 --> 04:48:57,730
there are 8 yeas and 1 a. The motion is carried. Can I think of that? Can we have a confirmatory?

1986
04:49:10,240 --> 04:49:15,180
That by-law, number 26-66, the viola to confirm the proceedings of council, that it's a special

1987
04:49:15,180 --> 04:49:17,420
National Meeting held on August 5th, 2026 be enacted.

1988
04:49:18,480 --> 04:49:19,560
Mover in seconder, please.

1989
04:49:20,520 --> 04:49:21,620
Moved by Councillor Lodra.

1990
04:49:21,820 --> 04:49:22,200
Seconded by Councillor.