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Well, good evening. It's my welcome, welcome everyone to the

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Arenda City Council. It's a real pleasure to see so many people here tonight. I know

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that I guess the first day of school is tomorrow, right? So all the parents that

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are here tonight, you don't have to worry about homework tonight. This is the last

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night. Anyway, thank you everyone for being here tonight. I'd like to call to

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order the meeting of the Arenda City Council for Tuesday, August 21st. And

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And before, first of all, I'd like to turn to our clerk for the roll call, please.

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Council Member Orr.

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Here.

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Council Member Gee.

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Here.

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Vice Mayor Miller.

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Here.

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Mayor Worth.

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Here.

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And note for the record that Council Member Phillips has an excused absence this evening.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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And now I'd like to invite everyone to join together in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Thank you.

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next item we had a closed session preceding this meeting and I would like

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to confirm that we discussed the matters listed on the agenda and we took no

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reportable action. So next item we move to the adoption of the agenda and is there

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any are there any changes to the agenda? Madam Mayor there's no changes to the

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I would like to point out however on item.

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The first policy item, which has to do with gun safety, there is an attachment of a Lafayette

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ordinance that is actually on the back table, I believe, and what was put in the packet itself

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and was on the web originally was incorrect. The part of the ordinance that, or their code

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that is correct is the part that requires a permit for gun dealers from the chief

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of police and it talks about that in the staff report. I just want to make sure

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folks know upfront that it's available in the back as well. I think if that's

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correct to the city clerk. Terrific. So if there are no other if there are no

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changes to the agenda I'd entertain a motion to adopt. I'll make a motion to

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Okay.

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Second?

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I've moved in second.

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Any further discussion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposition?

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That agenda is adopted unanimously.

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Before we proceed with the business items for tonight, I just wanted to go over our procedures tonight for our meeting.

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First of all, I want to welcome everyone again for coming and participating in tonight's discussions.

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And just to reiterate that we look forward to your participation.

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If you would like to speak on any item before the council tonight,

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either you can come forward at the public forum or if you would like to speak on a specific agenda item.

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Please complete the yellow forms that are in the back table.

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Bring it up to the little table here in the front.

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And then I will call on you at the appropriate time.

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We have a number of speakers tonight on the gun storage and safety issue so

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So that we have the opportunity to hear from everybody, the comment period will be limited

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to two minutes.

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And the other thing is if you speak and you want to just agree with the person before you,

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that's fine too.

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You don't have to use all two minutes.

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But we wanted to provide enough time so everybody has a chance to share their views.

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And all the materials for what is on our agenda tonight are on the back table or

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they are located in the Internet.

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You can go to the city website and get those materials there.

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If you would be so kind when you come forward to speak into the microphone, since we broadcast the meetings online.

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And so we want to record everyone's comments.

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And so we look forward to hearing from you and we'll begin the meeting.

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So the first item is items for the good of the city.

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And the first item we have, we have the incredible pleasure of honoring one of our, not even one

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of, but the longest standing employee, Jenny Flores.

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And many of you have seen the fine work that Jenny does, but she does it in our offices.

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And she's absolutely incredible.

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She was here really when the city began.

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She has been a much beloved employee,

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and we're thrilled that she's still staying.

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So it's not a retirement.

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This is just really a recognition of 30 years

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of tremendous, tremendous contributions.

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And former mayor of Abrams is here to honor her also

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and to share a few remarks.

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But I wanted to begin with the reading of the proclamation.

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So, Jenny, would you mind coming forward to the podium

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So we can I can present to you

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to our city. So I would begin by, as a proclamation, recognizing Jenny Corris for three years in service.

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So Jenny Corris joined the video reddit as an accountant for her on August 3rd and three years after the video reddit incorporated in 1985.

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And whereas Jenny previously worked for Kaiser,

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was in an account for corporations for 15 years as an account payable clerk, and...

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Whereas Jenny was promoted to the accounting technician,

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re-positioned in 2002, and primarily is in charge of the account stable function

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for the city's financial department, and...

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Whereas Jenny is the longest-serving employee of the city of Oregon ever.

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And whereas Jenny is in love for her cheerful attitude and is always quick to smile and...

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Where Jenny is probably taking part to work for the 6,000 times.

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I can attest because we're passing by the report.

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Yes,

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Jenny, my family's service and what people were written is appreciated by everyone she worked with, and...

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Where as Jenny has been with the city's reports, city managers, three ingress of the managers, and approximately 18 city council members,

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And somehow not one of that could feel anything but affection and appreciation for work, for diligence, and our sense of humor that is a base of the foundation of our together.

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Now, therefore, we have resolved Jenny Ford's order along in one of the services to the government that I hope she can use for service for many more years.

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have one of the things that we have to get to you with and you were on this city before we even mentioned these.

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So you want to say how many of us came to work 30 years ago?

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Who wanted to make it?

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We're going to be on this.

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I'll be really quick because I'm going to give Jenny a ride to the bar station when this

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is all over so she doesn't have to walk across town.

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I'm here for all the former council members, so the honor of working with Jenny.

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Nobody does a better job.

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She's been loyal.

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She's been wonderful. She's been in every building that we ever were lodged in. She was in the trailers

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Jenny got to and Annie used to babysit the dogs when we were all having meetings. Jenny's an exceptional human being

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I'm honored to be here tonight and I brought a little relic from Greg Wheatland's house

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It's an antique sister city bag and an arinda bag for you. Shirley and I wanted you to have this. Thank you

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Thank you.

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Jenny, you don't have to say anything,

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but if you'd like to, I'd like to invite you up

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if you want to make any comments.

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Don't want to put you on the spot, though.

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If you want to just smile, that's fine, too.

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Okay, great, great.

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Well, you know, I've had the pleasure of knowing Jenny

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for all those 30 years.

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Before I was on the council, I spent a lot of time

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over at City Hall with friends of the library

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and Library Commission and I'll never forget one of the most wonderful moments was as you

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recall Vice-President Mayor Abrams had a dog, she had a whip-it that went everywhere with

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her Airtay was kind of like the unofficial city dog. And our planning staff member

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at the time, now planning Director Drummond Buckley had also a dog that was called Bingo.

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So Laura would come in and Bingo and Airtay would hang around at Jenny's office

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And she just took care of the dogs where everybody else did their work.

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And one day one of the auditors was there, and these dogs started chasing each other around the trailer.

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And the auditor just looked and said, oh my gosh, what's going on here?

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And Jenny just brought such life to our city staff, and you're just such a wonderful part of our city.

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You've taken care of all of us, whether they're two legs or four legs,

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And just done such a beautiful job of keeping our finances are always in such perfect shape all the the bills get paid and the

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Checks balance so we just really wanted to say so thank you so much and

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The fact that you're able to come from your home and take Bart and walk to work

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I always see you walking walking from the Bart station and just just again want to thank you

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be so very much for your absolutely incredible service to our community.

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It is much appreciated and we just can't thank you enough, so thank you again.

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That's terrific.

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All right, and now with that, we will be moving on to our next item.

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Go to the service, speaking, I guess this is a good segue when I talked about Jenny taking care of four legs.

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We're now moving on to a report of the Contra Costa County Animal Services presentation.

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Thank you, Mayor Wirth, members of the council. It's my pleasure to be here tonight. I'm Steve

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Burdow. I am the public information officer for your Animal Services Agency, Contra Costa

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Animal Services. I'd like to just start by, I heard, reference of an unofficial town dog.

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And if you're ever ready to step that up to official or if the unofficial has moved

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on, we've got you covered, okay?

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So a few years ago, our new leadership, Director Beth Ward, Captain Andrea and myself, we started to meet with the city managers and police chiefs of all of the 18 cities that we contract with in Contra Costa County.

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We contract with all the cities in Contra Costa County with the exception of the city of Antioch, which operates their own animal services agency.

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And in doing that, we'd known that those had happened for a while, those meetings with the city managers and police chiefs periodically on and off.

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But one thing that never happened was really having a regular presence at the councils to update the council members on the services we're providing to your city.

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So we began a couple of years ago coming around once a year to the city councils.

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This is after the meetings with the city manager and police chief.

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And we just want to keep you up to date on what services we're providing to your city and how you're using us.

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So, without further ado, just walk you through the foundation of our department, the composition.

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Our Contracross Animal Services is comprised of essentially six divisions.

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Field services, those are the officers you see in the field.

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Shelter operations, they take care of the animals well in the shelter.

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Medical services, those are our veterinarians, our RVTs, and our veterinary assistants.

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Our clerical division, the people you talk to on the phones, or if you come in

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and adopt a dog or license your animal at our counter.

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Our volunteers, which we absolutely couldn't get by without,

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we have over 250 volunteers who give their time or talent

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every week, they perform really important tasks

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like walking the dogs, socializing the cats,

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running our lost and found division.

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So very, very, we could not get by without our volunteers.

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And our administration, which is our deputy director,

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our deputy director, our captain,

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in our administrative service officer, so on and so forth.

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So I wanted to touch upon the services we provided

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to the city of Arenda in calendar year 2017.

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As you could see, deceased animal impounds

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were our largest activity.

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We did 169 of those.

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We also had 140 stray animal impounds,

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88 noise animal and inhumane ordinance investigations

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as well as eight animal rescues

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and five local agency assists.

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One of the things that's different about Contra cost animal services compared to other animal welfare agencies in the state is that we are a law enforcement agency.

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A lot of other counties will contract with the Humane Society or it will be part of the Sheriff's Department or like an Antioch part of the Police Department.

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We are our own separate law enforcement agency and those days of the dog catcher and our officers going out and rounding up animals are a thing of the past.

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what our officers are mostly doing these days are investigations into noise complaints,

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inhumane complaints, fight investigations, so on and so forth.

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It's something that our local fire departments, police departments and code enforcement departments

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really appreciate because when you see those five local agency assists, those are when,

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for instance, your police department may be serving a warrant at a resident's house

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that they know has a potentially dangerous or dangerous animal at that residence.

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In that case, what they typically do is they reach out to our officers, our lieutenant or

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our sergeant will participate in the briefing prior to going out to serve the warrant.

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Our officer will go in, subdue the animal so that you

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Your guys could go in and do what they need to do. That's something that's unique. There's

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only one other county in the state of California that operates like that. Equally important,

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I think it's per, we contract with the 18 cities that we provide animal services for.

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And that contract is set to renew every year at the turn of the fiscal year. And per

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the contract, the rate, which is a per capita rate, is set to increase per the consumer

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price index, the CPI from the prior year. The CPI from 2017 was 2.9% which resulted in a 17 cent per capita increase for the current fiscal year, so that's all you're going from $5.94 cents to $6.11 cents per capita for this year for animal services.

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I'd be remiss not to mention that most Bay Area municipalities pay approximately, that figure is,

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it's actually $11.80.

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I think that was a prior figure in there, but Antioch pays $8.70,

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but most of the Bay Area pays around $11.80 for their animal services.

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I won't spend too much time on this.

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This, in addition to the activities, one of the things that came out of the meetings

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with the city managers and police chiefs this year was a new reporting structure.

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We're moving from a monthly to a quarterly reporting structure, and hearing from the

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city managers and police chiefs, they wanted to get some additional information to what

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we had originally been providing.

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This is one of those things.

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They wanted to see which animals were coming out of the community, whether deceased

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or alive.

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So we put together this report as you could see we have everything from deer to bats to coyotes

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foxes and rabbits here in Arundah the

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Role the rural interface with open space here makes it a prime

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Area for for deer to be in our community for coyotes

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You'll even see things like mountain lions every now and again as long as they're not in the community during the daytime

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It's not a problem. The other thing and this is something that is a

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huge improvement for us in something that I'm very proud of and I know that our

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police chiefs really are proud of is one thing as I said we're a law enforcement

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agency and public safety agencies are generally garnered by by a performance

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metric of response time. That's something that our department did not have

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until this past March. Captain Andrea and our team got together they put

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together a target response time, a priority listing of all of our

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priority calls. This is everything from the priority ones being aggressive animal, impacting

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an individual, whether it's attacking them or preventing them from going to where they

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need to go, all the way down to priority fives, which are self-initiated calls by our officers.

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So nobody called it in. Our officer sees something, a stray animal or a dead animal

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on the road and they self-initiate the activity and pull it in. As you can see, we're

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We're doing a very good job of meeting our priority ones.

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That was the main thing.

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And I will say that you may ask why is your priority one, two hour response time?

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And I would say because all of our officers are dispatched out of our Martina's location.

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Also we can't go code three like the officers can.

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We can't flip on the lights and go around traffic.

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We have to still obey traffic laws.

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The one thing we can do is use the carpool lane so that delays our response time.

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What we tell people is if you are in an immediate dangerous situation with an animal call 911

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We're going to get the call anyways, but call 911 that way the closest first responder can respond

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So this is something as you can see where we're absolutely hitting the mark with the priority ones

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We expect to continue to improve on this the period that was

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Captured here in this report

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report was April 1st through July 31st of this year, because we just started the program

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in mid-March, so we wanted to get a good three months of time to capture in this report.

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And I'm happy to answer any questions you have later on that.

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Finally, this is another thing, and I don't expect you to read that, this is just a

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report that shows your city's usage compared to the usage of other cities in the county.

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We did an exercise a couple of different ways this year, looking at the amounts our cities are paying,

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the service levels they're using, as well as the population in the service area.

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And what we found was, Arundel represents 1.8% of our total service area,

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and you use about 1.7% of our total services.

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That was pretty much consistent for all of the cities that we examined,

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as well as the unincorporated county.

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I mean, I think San Ramon was the only outlier about 2% above what their total usage was.

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So that was something that a lot of city managers in particular asked for and we're happy to

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provide in this new reporting structure.

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Two very important policy updates.

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We have a noisy animal ordinance passed.

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The Orinda City Council adopted that ordinance on April 10th of this year.

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That means that right now, if your residents are experiencing noise impacts, they could go right to our website.

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We've also provided the link to your city, so they may have it on their website.

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I haven't checked, I apologize.

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And they could just file the noise complaint online.

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It's a two-step process, and that changes it from the prior process,

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which was basically a call investigation citation process, which the citations were never issued

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because the calls would come in at 11 o'clock at night and it's a low priority call so our officers would get out there in two in the afternoon and nothing can be verified.

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Both parties felt unserved and not heard. The new process basically on the second complaint automatically cites the party with the noisy animal and with the citation is a request for hearing which is the person who's being cited's ability to appeal that decision.

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That brings both parties to the table, which was not happening in the first place.

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We bring the neighbors together, and our goal is to mitigate, mediate a solution there.

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Not necessarily be punitive with fines, but we want to make sure that both parties are talking to each other

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and we can find a solution short of citation.

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The other one was the rooster ordinance.

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It doesn't really apply here in Orynda because I don't think you have any parcels designated A2,

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which are agricultural, lots of five acres or larger.

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Basically what this does was we were the only county

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in California that didn't have a rooster

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or an ordinance on the books,

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so those people that engaged in the illicit activities

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of cock fighting knew that Contra Costa County

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was a safe haven.

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Our officers now have a means to investigate

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and develop probable cause, so we can go in and do those.

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So I just wanted to update you on that as well.

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I just put this up there

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because everybody always asks is a municipal shelter what is your live release rate?

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We do very good for a municipal shelter and we're one of the best in the Bay Area in the state.

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Our overall live release rate is 83%. Our dog and cat live release rate is 87%.

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Our dog live release rate is 92% and our cat live release rate is 82%.

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Shortly saying, most of the animals, the majority of the animals that come into our shelter leave the shelter alive.

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One of the reasons is because of our adoption programs. About three years ago we began implementing adoption promotions every single month,

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where we'll have one to three promotions every single month.

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We just had Clear the Shelter Day this past Saturday and adopted about 80 animals out to new loving homes, which we're proud of.

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And really it's a matter of just opening the doors and thinking how creative can we be to find these animals' homes.

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So briefly, our department at a glance, we take in about 10,500 animals.

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We reunite about 20% of them with their owners.

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We did about 3,500 public adoptions, another 2,600 adoptions to rescue groups or transfer partners,

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other animal welfare groups in the community.

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We returned 911 cats to the field.

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and again for a municipal shelter that's unique. Not many shelters. Municipal shelters have a return to

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field program. It's one of our biggest life-saving programs. At other shelters a lot of times those

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cats are euthanized. We did over 2,000 low-cost vaccinations for residents of Contra Costa

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County and over 5,000 low-cost spay and neuter surgeries and as I mentioned before those

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those assists with police fire and code enforcement are something that's really special

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to us, we did just under 600 of those.

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Go back here, spend just a second on that.

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This is a real benefit to our contract cities

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because this saves everybody money.

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Our pet retention program, one of the only pipelines

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we have authority over to say, no,

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we won't accept that animal or can't accept that animal

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right now, our owner surrenders an adoption returns.

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We are mandated to take in all stray,

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sick, potentially dangerous, dangerous,

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under 12 weeks of age, unweaned,

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and feral stray.

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So when somebody comes to us with an animal

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that they own, that they wanna surrender to the shelter,

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we figured, how do we get that number down?

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And what we did was we partnered

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with Tony LaRusse's Animal Rescue Foundation.

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We formed a program that provides up to $500

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in direct assistance to people who are at risk

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of surrendering their pets to help them keep them.

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But it's also open residents up to the broad array

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of resources and experience that both contra cost animal services and our have so in the

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first two years the program is effectively cut the number of owner surrender animals

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coming in coming into our shelter in half and that saves everybody money.

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We have a lot of opportunities a lot of challenges our main opportunities are to increase low

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cost spay and neuter vaccination programs in the county right now we're one of the

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only games in town so we're looking to partner with local vets to have them either

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to match our price or partner with us in some way, shape, or form so we can increase those services.

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We have an environment right for collaboration, a hard-working, committed staff and volunteer corps

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in support of an engaged community.

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Our challenge is balancing the life-saving with length of staying quality of care.

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As our live release rate goes up, we're holding animals longer,

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and so we need to then the focus becomes quality of care.

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How do we maintain a good experience for every animal in the shelter?

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We need to update the processes and procedures, bring the apartment into the 21st century.

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That's a big part of what the new noise complaint process was.

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Let's get that out of our call center. Let's put it online.

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We need to increase staffing, decrease the volume of animals, address our physical facility constraints,

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and the continuous population growth, both two-legged and four-legged in the county here.

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And before I close, I'd just like to offer you five easy steps to support your local shelter.

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consider adoption as your first option, ensure your pets are licensed in microchip.

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They have a much greater chance of being reunited with their owners if they become lost.

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Volunteer at the Martinez or Pinole Shelter, whatever your time or talent, we have a role for you.

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And sign up to take a tour of the Martinez or Pinole Shelter.

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I'll also offer the council members, if you'd like to take a ride along with one of our officers in your beat area.

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Well, I've had a number of city council members take us up on that and they all report

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It's not what they thought it was and it's a very exciting day

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So certainly would like to extend that invitation to each of you and follow us on social media

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We have over 23,000 followers on Facebook or Twitter and Instagram

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Counselor really active too. So it's a great way to communicate

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so

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With that I'll take any questions you have and also let you know that I brought as I mentioned

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We're the only game in town for low cost vaccinations. So I brought you some vouchers VIP

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pet care has partnered with us to match our rabies vaccination price, which is $6 that's

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as cheap as you could get it. So I'd like to leave these with your city clerk to pass out to your

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residents. Great. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. And also we have a we have a weekly

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electronic news that are goes out to our community. So if you have any materials

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that we could include in that, on occasion, we would love to get the word out about the work you do and the services.

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And really appreciate the work and especially the work you've done to increase the lifespan of all the animals that come into your facility.

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I know as you mentioned at the very beginning of your presentation, a lot of that depends on the huge volunteer support that you have from members of the communities from all around that come and help you do what you do.

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So thank you.

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I just wanted to find out if there are any council questions about your services or your report.

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Okay. Well, again, thank you for being here tonight.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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We really appreciate the report.

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And I think the format that you've developed makes it really easy to follow the work that you're doing.

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So thank you again for your great work.

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And I've been by the facility on my way to the solid waste place where you take the paint.

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Right across the street.

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You got your paints off out at the Central Sand Facility.

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You can see the animal shelter.

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So thank you again for your terrific work.

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And I appreciate you coming tonight.

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Appreciate the opportunity.

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Thank you.

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And before you leave, I just want

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to say you could hear the applause in the audience.

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I think that a huge part of your success

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is the dedication of the staff, the professional and support

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staff that are so committed to what you do.

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So thank you again.

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Thanks for being here tonight.

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Okay now moving on to our next item we have the public forum and those are for

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any items that are not on the agenda or if you can't stay for an item you can

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speak to that item at this meeting I just have three speakers so again if you'd

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like to speak on the public forum please fill out a form and bring it

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forward and I'll call on you so the first person is Paula Reinman and she'll

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to be followed by Sandy Gross.

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Hi, thanks for the opportunity to speak.

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I wanted to ask what the city of Arenda can do

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to support those of us who live on Camino Pablo,

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who are being routinely disturbed very, very early

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in the morning by the East Bay Mud Soil Removal Project.

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And I want to give a bit of background on it.

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I also want to thank you, Amy,

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for always responding to emails and calls on this.

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I really appreciate it.

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So

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For those of you that don't know, East Bay Mud is doing a massive soil movement project from Breoneys to other locations originally out to Livermore now, most of the dumping is happening in Vallejo, but they're about to start in Livermore again.

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And that creates a whole bunch of traffic on Camino Pablo.

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We have been trying to get the traffic on Camino Pablo to start no later than 7 a.m. It is extremely noisy.

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truck after truck after truck comes down that street.

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East Bay Mud does not, they will start no later than 6.30 a.m.

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And we'd like them to start at 7 a.m.

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There's ordinances in Arundah around noise before 8 a.m.

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And I have to imagine if my neighbors were complaining

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that I was out there with a leaf blower every morning at 6.30 a.m.,

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something would happen.

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But in the meantime, there's 10, 20, 30, 40, sometimes 50 trucks rolling through there at 6.30 in the morning.

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It's really disruptive.

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And so we'd like the noise to start no earlier than 7 in the morning.

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The trucks when they come through, when they come at 6.30 in the morning, are typically going really, really fast.

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and because they're coming fast and they're empty and because they're

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going fast they're even noisier and I also wonder if we couldn't have some

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random police presence out there so that these the trucks know that if they

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come really fast down that street and make the noise even worse than it

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needs to be that there there will be consequences for them. So those are

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the two things that we could really use help with. A group of neighbors has been working

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with East Bay Mud really consistently. It started in May and it's going to happen through

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November. So it's long. And it's a lot of noise, a lot of disruption. And I also have

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to ask before I leave, Steve, I have called you once and emailed you twice over the

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last two months and have never received the courtesy of a response. And I'm sorry that

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that's the case. So anyway, we would love your help in East Bay Mudd because right now it feels

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it feels to us like it's kind of the neighbors against East Bay Mudd and not much help from

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the city.

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Okay. Thank you Paula. You know Paula I wanted to have the staff provide some response

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wants tonight, but I think Sandy is here too.

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So Sandy are you going to speak on the same item and maybe if you'd like to speak?

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You've got absolutely,

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and then we can, then I'll ask our staff to provide some reply too, okay.

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Whatever that fine lady just had to say, I agree totally and

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I don't have anything else to add to that except that I too have made calls

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calls to the city of Arenda and do not get return calls.

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I do from the, I think it's the engineering department.

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There's a lady there that does return my call, but the head of the engineering department

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has notified her that I should be not calling East Bay Mud,

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which I do all the time.

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And in defense of East Bay Mud, although I'm not happy with what they're doing on the street,

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they return their calls within the day.

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Today, I called Katherine Horn, who's the head of the project or the public relations person for East Bay Mud for this area.

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She returned my call today at 2 o'clock, and she's always doing that.

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And from that standpoint, I know East Bay Mud doesn't always want to play with the city of Arenda.

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That's what I hear from the city of Arenda.

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But I think, you know, if you made a phone call and got together, maybe things could work out.

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01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:17,530
And the only other thing I have to say, it's a little different subject, but it's related.

444
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:26,230
I walk my dog and I just can't believe I'm here on a night that we're honoring or learning about dogs

445
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:30,750
and we're doing something way more important than our little thing with the guns tonight,

446
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:33,430
which I applaud for everybody that's here.

447
01:04:34,530 --> 01:04:38,730
But I walked my dog a couple of days a week down to Wagner Ranch

448
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:42,290
and I can't tell you how many times

449
01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:45,390
people run a red light. And it's like

450
01:04:45,390 --> 01:04:49,310
it turns yellow and I'm standing there, I'm not going to go,

451
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:55,090
but I'm ready to go when it turns green for me and people go right through the red light.

452
01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:58,210
And I think we've talked about this with Amy.

453
01:04:58,210 --> 01:05:05,390
me, why can't you just put up a sign that says if you run a red light, you're the code,

454
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:11,470
whatever the code is, you're subject to a $395 fine or whatever it is, I think people

455
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:19,010
would stop running red lights if we just put up a sign like that. I just saw one yesterday

456
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:26,310
when I went over a bridge, I don't even remember where it was, but it was like $495.

457
01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:28,930
It was a one-way bridge at Canyon.

458
01:05:29,570 --> 01:05:32,850
The one-way bridge they have going when you go out of Maragia.

459
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:34,650
It was this morning, as a matter of fact.

460
01:05:34,810 --> 01:05:39,070
It's $495 if they catch you going across the one-way bridge.

461
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:40,550
Of course, you're going to get killed anyway.

462
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:42,010
Thank you very much.

463
01:05:42,030 --> 01:05:45,310
And I want to thank the City Council for all the work you do.

464
01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:46,490
I appreciate it.

465
01:05:46,790 --> 01:05:47,070
All right.

466
01:05:47,470 --> 01:05:48,750
Sandy, thank you for your comments.

467
01:05:48,930 --> 01:05:50,670
And I just wanted to turn to our staff

468
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:54,590
to see if you might provide any update information

469
01:05:54,590 --> 01:05:59,430
on the issues that were raised just now.

470
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,480
So that would be great.

471
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,620
And I guess one of the things I'm hearing is that in the morning,

472
01:06:47,740 --> 01:06:49,520
when these trucks are coming, they're empty.

473
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:54,280
So they're going fast and also making in a way probably more noise

474
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,600
then if they were loaded moving more slowly.

475
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,140
So I would appreciate hearing back from you

476
01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:03,540
as you work with East Bay Mud to try to get them.

477
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:09,100
You know, we were surprised that this project came forward

478
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,380
even without notification of the city until the very end.

479
01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:15,680
And so didn't have the opportunity to work with East Bay Mud

480
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,880
initially to set up a mitigation program to address this.

481
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:27,480
So, I just wanted to thank staff for continuing to work with them to try to move this time out and

482
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,840
deal with some of the other noise issues around the empty trucks.

483
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,340
Yes, I will be put back.

484
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,080
Okay, perfect.

485
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,160
Great, great.

486
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:37,340
Okay, thank you.

487
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,300
Our final speaker on the public forum is Daniel Dibichir.

488
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,580
Thank you Mayor Orrith, members of the council staff.

489
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,380
My name is Dan Dibichir, I'm a resident of Rinda.

490
01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:53,760
I'd like to talk a little bit about AB 2924, the Bartland power grab.

491
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,560
As many people know, it's on the Senate floor for a floor vote.

492
01:08:00,740 --> 01:08:05,600
And just the way I look at it, I think we're a little bit of a victim of NIMBYism.

493
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:09,520
Votes are being traded on that floor now for bills.

494
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,060
And since people don't have Bart in their backyards, then they can trade a vote on

495
01:08:14,060 --> 01:08:17,600
AB 2923, the Bart bill.

496
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,040
So they can trade their vote for some other vote maybe on a bill that they're promoting.

497
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,260
So that's sort of horse trading that's going on.

498
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,900
That's the facts of life, that's the way things work in Sacramento.

499
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:32,240
So it's getting down to a point where our last gasp is going to be our ex-Honorable,

500
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:38,040
ex-Councilmember, but Honorable Steve Glazier, our Senate member.

501
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:43,640
Whatever green stamps he's got with Governor Brown, he's probably going to have to cash

502
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,260
in to get a veto on this bill.

503
01:08:45,820 --> 01:08:49,560
because it looks like it's going to be on his desk for approval or signature.

504
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:55,240
A lot of things went on that are just unexplainable.

505
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,760
For example, we have a letter that you signed Amy to Senator Mike McGuire.

506
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:05,040
He's the senator from Marin County, very, very solid local control guy,

507
01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:11,700
but he voted to put the bill out of the Senate Committee on Senate Governance and Finance.

508
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:18,400
He chairs that committee and it went out of his committee just sailed out the only two votes against it was the two Republicans

509
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:24,820
And but the thing I'd like to point out to you is even though you penned a letter and it was dated the 25th of June

510
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:28,640
The staff on his committee didn't list your letter as an opposition

511
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,440
They had city Lafayette, but the city render wasn't there and the list of opposition

512
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:37,000
So those sort of things are happening. So anyhow

513
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,860
Now get a hold of Victoria and get a hold of Sue and start biting Steve's leg.

514
01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:50,300
Dean Youtu, and if he's got anything with the governor, we're probably going to need it to kill those things, so thank you very much.

515
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:52,360
Great, thank you for your comments.

516
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:58,220
I just wanted to note that as you can see in our agenda, we have an item on our consent calendar that

517
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:04,140
That includes the letter that Senator Glazer prepared with the input from all the cities,

518
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:13,040
all of us provided information to him included in the letter that he put together to really reflect the priorities of his district.

519
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:21,280
So he's working very hard in concert with all of us in the cities to try to defeat this bill.

520
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,320
And as you said, it's a challenge.

521
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,140
Okay, moving on, I have no other speakers in the public forum.

522
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,100
So next, I'd like to move to the consent calendar.

523
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:39,740
Are there any items that either members of the council or staff or members of the public would like to remove from the consent calendar?

524
01:10:39,940 --> 01:10:45,060
Mayor, I would like to remove item G4, staying on the path of AB 2923.

525
01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:45,600
Okay.

526
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:46,940
Great.

527
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:48,820
Okay.

528
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:50,680
Any other items?

529
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:59,200
Okay, if not, then I'd like to entertain a motion to approve the balance of the consent calendar with the exception of item G4.

530
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:07,260
I move approval of items G1 through G3, G5 through G12.

531
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:08,620
Okay, is there a second?

532
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Seconded.

533
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,020
Moved and seconded, any further discussion?

534
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:12,000
All in favor?

535
01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:12,980
Aye.

536
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:13,920
Any opposition?

537
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:18,100
That consent calendar is approved unanimously.

538
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:21,460
So now let's go back to item G4.

539
01:11:21,980 --> 01:11:26,620
Yes Mayor, that is the item that just compiles all of the letters.

540
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:32,620
As you stated, the one from our state senator compiling the city's comments.

541
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,800
And as well as our city letter.

542
01:11:35,140 --> 01:11:41,460
And I also had written a letter not on behalf of the city but just in my personal capacity as vice mayor.

543
01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:45,420
are inviting the members of the Senate Appropriations Committee to A Rinda.

544
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,720
And those were personal letters that went out to those senators,

545
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,780
those 11 senators on that committee.

546
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:55,500
And I just wanted to make the city council aware of that and

547
01:11:56,340 --> 01:12:01,200
that invitation to those state senators to come and visit A Rinda and

548
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:07,320
see what we have done for affordable housing, as well as to see the processes we use here

549
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:17,120
to implement public decision in our decisions so that we don't move planning decisions on the BART property to the BART board.

550
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:25,280
And I just wanted to share that in the process of writing those letters and talking with our legislators,

551
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:32,960
it was very a heartwarming process. Although we weren't successful in stopping the bill at the Senate Appropriations Committee,

552
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:52,160
It was very heartwarming to see how the legislators who represent Arenda really got behind and supported us in lobbying the other members of the assembly and the Senate to try and stop this bill on behalf of Arenda.

553
01:12:52,160 --> 01:13:00,960
And it was really a community effort and I see this going on well into the future because even if this bill does pass,

554
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:05,060
I don't think this fight is over and we will still be fighting this in the years to come.

555
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:06,300
So I just want to share that.

556
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:07,820
Thank you.

557
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:08,760
Any other comments?

558
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:09,900
Yeah.

559
01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:10,480
Darlene?

560
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:11,980
Yeah.

561
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:20,280
I'd certainly like to thank everyone who did have the letters that were in here and certainly give a great deal of

562
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:25,660
Thanks to Senator Glazer for the compilation, which I thought was one of the best written letters.

563
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:31,380
One thing I would like to say is, and our speaker said it well, and

564
01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:36,100
that is that as a community, we care about a lot of things together.

565
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:40,020
And while we, like all communities, sometimes have some disagreements,

566
01:13:40,460 --> 01:13:44,140
I think the one thing that we do agree very vehemently on and

567
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:48,800
that this council has fully supported as many councils before us

568
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,500
is the concept of local control.

569
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,960
I think we all care about it very much

570
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,920
and we've all advocated for it.

571
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:58,940
And while how we implement that local control

572
01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:02,660
may lead to a lot of different kinds of conversations

573
01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:05,360
in Arendah, the reality is is we all care about

574
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,900
this community and I would certainly urge

575
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:12,400
our community to pay a lot of attention to this.

576
01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:15,040
This one's very disturbing I think to a lot of us.

577
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:24,080
This is the third time we've had such a sort of major grab to thwart our local control.

578
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:29,800
And it would be the members of our community to really do everything they can with our legislators and

579
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:36,200
our governor in terms of expressing your opinion to them about this.

580
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:42,860
So I want to again thank Senator Glazer's office for doing such a good job on what's presented in here.

581
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:49,540
Yeah, I wanted to concur with those comments and thank also the League of California Cities

582
01:14:49,540 --> 01:14:51,200
is very engaged in this.

583
01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:56,440
We've been having daily calls with them and their legislative staff.

584
01:14:57,860 --> 01:14:59,620
as Dan, I think, pointed out.

585
01:15:01,010 --> 01:15:29,270
The world of Sacramento, and once you get to this last week, everything has to be done by the 30th, and there's a lot of negotiations going on, but, you know, and it's been, it's been really challenging because all the cities that have weighed in on this, we feel this is a very serious, you know, violation of, of, of the powers that are granted to local government by the local cities, by the, you know, the California Constitution.

586
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:35,610
institution and that local government and responsibility over land use is preeminent and it is so important.

587
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:39,510
So, as my colleagues have said, this is a fight that will continue.

588
01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:43,450
There are bills this year and then we continue.

589
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:52,790
And again, I appreciate Senator Glazer and Assemblymember Baker who are both working hard, continue to do so on this bill.

590
01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:58,910
So, and I think that the cities in Contra Costa County and

591
01:15:58,910 --> 01:16:06,630
Alameda County have been working very well together to try to convey our concerns about this bill.

592
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:11,930
Both specific issues and the general focus of the bill.

593
01:16:12,430 --> 01:16:17,890
So thank you for bringing that together and so people can see what we've been doing.

594
01:16:17,890 --> 01:16:28,050
And so, as Dan mentioned, I think the end of the session we anticipate the vote on the floor will probably happen sometime this week.

595
01:16:28,570 --> 01:16:33,850
I think all the bills need to be passed by the 30th, is that what you understand too?

596
01:16:34,230 --> 01:16:36,950
So, yeah, and then they go to the governor's office.

597
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:42,810
So if people are interested in, obviously our representatives,

598
01:16:42,810 --> 01:16:50,650
The people who are really going to hear from their constituents are opposing the bill and are working actively to do so.

599
01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:57,590
And obviously we don't know where it's, if it passes it, then it would go to the governor's office, so

600
01:16:58,290 --> 01:17:06,850
that's where letters in the next few weeks would be important to send once we know the staffs of the bill.

601
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:11,890
Okay, well that then will take a motion to adopt items G4.

602
01:17:11,890 --> 01:17:14,250
I will make a motion to adopt the item G4.

603
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:15,470
Second.

604
01:17:15,670 --> 01:17:16,330
Moved and seconded.

605
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:17,150
Any further discussion?

606
01:17:17,690 --> 01:17:18,130
All in favor?

607
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:19,230
Aye.

608
01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:20,010
Any opposition?

609
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:22,070
That motion carries unanimously.

610
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:23,490
Okay.

611
01:17:23,870 --> 01:17:28,940
Moving on now to our next item.

612
01:17:29,380 --> 01:17:31,680
Our next item is public hearing.

613
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:34,120
And those are policy matters.

614
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:41,160
So let me just, moving on to the item is consider options regarding requests from

615
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,760
from citizens to adopt gun storage and gun sales ordinances.

616
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:49,160
So just to re-interred, this is the first time,

617
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:54,460
we have a process in our city council in Arenda

618
01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:56,160
which is called Matters Initiated.

619
01:17:56,380 --> 01:18:00,100
And so this item came to our council

620
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,180
on a Matters Initiated.

621
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,940
The citizens came before us several meetings ago,

622
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,160
requested that the city bring this forward

623
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:15,200
forward to the council for discussion, the council approved to do that and it's been

624
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:21,360
brought back to us. So tonight really is the purpose of this meeting is to hear public input,

625
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:28,100
have a discussion, and then direct, go back, you know, comments and direct to staff as

626
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:34,040
to what kinds of work that we would want the staff to do, because at this point there's

627
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,220
and very little staff work done on this particular issue.

628
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,380
So we look forward to hearing from your comments tonight.

629
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:42,660
What we'll do is first have the,

630
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,120
we'll have a staff introduction of the item.

631
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,480
It's contained in the staff report also,

632
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:49,520
but we'll have any additional staff comments.

633
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,060
And then we'll take public comment.

634
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:54,500
And as I mentioned, since there are so many speakers,

635
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,560
we'll each person will have two minutes

636
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,340
to share their comments.

637
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,960
And then we will close the public comment period

638
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,100
and then bring it back to the council for discussion.

639
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,840
So there will be no action tonight.

640
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:12,260
We will provide some direction to staff or

641
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:18,860
ask for clarification on issues, because we imagine that we will have a significant amount of comment tonight.

642
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:22,700
So we really appreciate everybody's participation this evening.

643
01:19:23,980 --> 01:19:29,500
And so I'd like to turn first to our city manager who will provide an overview.

644
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:33,520
you introductory staff report and then we'll go into public ask questions if we

645
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:39,940
have any of his of him and then come back go back to out to the the public for

646
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:49,000
your comments. Madam Mayor and Council as you noted we're seeking direction

647
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:55,260
tonight on this on this item and we prepared a staff report as well as

648
01:19:55,260 --> 01:19:58,880
There's numerous documents that have been provided

649
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,020
by members of the public, as well as a lot of emails.

650
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:09,920
This is a complicated issue, as I think everybody is aware.

651
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:15,200
And it's one that's controversial at the national level

652
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,380
and the state level, as well as the local level.

653
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,180
There's a lot of court decisions,

654
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:29,800
as well as legislation which have, um, they supersede the city's ability to,

655
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,800
municipality's ability to do certain, uh, do certain things.

656
01:20:35,740 --> 01:20:42,720
Um, however, what we, uh, tried to suggest to you is four, um, options, um,

657
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:50,840
in the, in the report. The first option has to do with, um, trying to increase the publicity

658
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:58,880
on what the police department currently does in relation to gun safety and as well as to

659
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:06,580
continue to monitor state and federal legislation and court decisions to see if there's something

660
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:12,740
that occurs as time goes on that would make sense for the city to consider.

661
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:20,260
The second one is one where the city attorney would be directed to repair an ordinance

662
01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:26,860
that would be similar to the one that Maraga adopted relating to gun safety.

663
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:38,120
And I made some comments on that, I won't, you know, go into detail because I think

664
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,580
folks are relatively familiar with the Maraga ordinance.

665
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:52,700
The third option is one that deals gun dealers and at the present time there are no gun dealers

666
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:56,360
in Arenda but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be one in the future.

667
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:06,680
The city of Lafayette a number of years ago initiated a process where if you want to

668
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:12,880
have a gun deal operation in in Lafayette you have to you have to get a permit

669
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,520
from the police department or from the police chief actually issued by the police

670
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,940
chief there's a certain amount of investigation and verification that occurs

671
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:29,420
to make sure they're complying with local laws and as well as federal and

672
01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:39,080
state laws, and the permit is reviewed, permitee is reviewed periodically to make sure that

673
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:46,060
they stay in compliance. At the present time, you don't, we don't have a system like that.

674
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:54,840
So the third option would be to ask the city attorney to prepare an ordinance similar

675
01:22:54,840 --> 01:23:02,500
what Lafayette has. The fourth option is one that would be far more aggressive

676
01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:10,680
that would direct us to look at what cities that have been very aggressive on

677
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:20,640
this issue have done and that option if the council chooses to do it would

678
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:27,860
involve a lot of staff time, both on behalf of the police department, the city

679
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:33,120
administrative staff and the city attorney staff, and it would also subject the

680
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:41,160
city to a fair amount of risk in litigation from folks that want to see

681
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:48,360
these kinds of things constrained. Other cities, as you know, have far more

682
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:58,580
more significant budgets than you folks do and spending six-digit numbers on litigation

683
01:23:58,580 --> 01:24:06,440
and on this kind of research isn't a challenge for them. For this city, it would be a significant

684
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:11,760
challenge. But if that's the council's direction, that's what obviously we'll do.

685
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:26,520
So, the police chief is here, Chief Nagle, if he may have some comments, if he wants or if he's available to answer questions from you as we go through this.

686
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:36,540
Great. Thank you, Steve. First, we'll start now. Are there any questions of the council at this point?

687
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,440
Okay, yes.

688
01:24:38,780 --> 01:24:39,740
I too have a question.

689
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:47,760
And that is on Lafayette's ordinance that we have before us this evening on the yellow sheets.

690
01:24:48,760 --> 01:25:02,040
That, it mentions at the beginning, it mentions that the police permit is in addition to section 6533 for a land use permit.

691
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:10,540
Does Lafayette also have the land use permit similar to that which is described that Pleasant

692
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:15,200
Hill had or is this a different land use permit?

693
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:24,300
Well, I don't know how closely those two land use ordinances are, but we don't believe

694
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:30,980
that we're not recommending that you folks should pursue that because the way that

695
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:42,700
First of all, you have to allow it in a reasonable way, and in a lot of those ordinances, the

696
01:25:43,460 --> 01:25:50,980
way they attempt to do that is say that you can't, again, this is a zoning thing, you

697
01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:56,980
cannot be within 500 feet of a school, you can't be within 500 feet of a church,

698
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:00,960
you

699
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,620
If you think about Arenda's particular situation,

700
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,660
you would end up in a very, very restrictive

701
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:13,300
and we think unconstitutional situation.

702
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,820
So we didn't recommend that you pursue that

703
01:26:16,820 --> 01:26:22,020
because you would be, if you do option three,

704
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,400
they would have a permit from the police department

705
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,860
and the city attorney looks to me like she has a.

706
01:26:28,860 --> 01:26:30,520
I have just one thing I wanted to say.

707
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,440
If you want to see what Lafayette has

708
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,040
in terms of their land use regulation,

709
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,460
it is an attachment to the staff report.

710
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:39,720
It's G.

711
01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:42,440
And just to be clear, none of us,

712
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,100
like you say, this is a matter initiated,

713
01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:46,580
so none of us has done a comprehensive analysis

714
01:26:46,580 --> 01:26:49,800
of whether we could have a land use regulation

715
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,200
of gun retailers that would be constitutional.

716
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,280
I think that would take direction from council

717
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,200
for us to do the work

718
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,860
and significant analysis on staff's part.

719
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:03,480
Thank you.

720
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,680
No, that clarifies it.

721
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:06,520
Thank you very much.

722
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:06,760
Yes.

723
01:27:07,060 --> 01:27:07,760
Council Member Chief?

724
01:27:09,860 --> 01:27:10,060
Yeah.

725
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:20,240
If we could, I would like to ask Chief Nagel if he could give his view of having read the

726
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:28,820
state firearms attachment, if he could give us his interpretation of what the state requires

727
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:39,300
for gun storage and gun safety, reading this information, I would like to hear your explanation of what is currently required by the state.

728
01:27:39,620 --> 01:27:46,440
Yes, Mayor Worth, council members, regarding the state, everything basically revolves around children.

729
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:51,720
If there are children present, going to be present, expected to be present,

730
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:57,080
the state says that the gun shall be locked and secured.

731
01:27:59,180 --> 01:28:04,580
However, for the law to take effect, there are a number of steps

732
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:08,660
a child or someone who gets the gun needs to take

733
01:28:08,660 --> 01:28:10,660
for that to come into effect.

734
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,120
One is take possession and two to use it.

735
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:17,760
So hypothetically, if a child gets the gun,

736
01:28:18,620 --> 01:28:25,820
handles it and puts it down, we have not completed the requirements in the law.

737
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:32,790
Wait, can you explain that? I'm not quite understanding that point.

738
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:46,370
I believe, and if I'm wrong, I'll look, but the child has to use the gun, get the gun and use the gun for the owner to be held liable.

739
01:28:47,790 --> 01:28:53,090
Can I offer maybe one other way to look at it which is that what the chief is

740
01:28:53,090 --> 01:28:57,590
referring to is a penal code provision. So that's criminally punishing someone who

741
01:28:57,590 --> 01:29:03,650
has improperly stored a gun. That's different from what I think is before

742
01:29:03,650 --> 01:29:08,470
the council this evening is whether to have a local regulation which is more

743
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:13,430
of a civil approach requiring guns to be stored in a certain way.

744
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:14,170
Okay.

745
01:29:14,170 --> 01:29:14,450
Okay.

746
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:20,690
So the state focuses more on the penal side as opposed to the regulatory?

747
01:29:21,310 --> 01:29:21,510
Yes.

748
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:21,970
Okay.

749
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:22,930
All right.

750
01:29:23,530 --> 01:29:23,730
Okay.

751
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:32,010
So, and the obvious follow-up is there is no state equivalent to the local regulation?

752
01:29:33,570 --> 01:29:37,990
Well, I mean, there are those rules about when you purchase a gun there, yeah, exactly,

753
01:29:38,150 --> 01:29:42,550
but no, then this is an area that is for local consideration.

754
01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:44,090
Thank you.

755
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:44,570
All right.

756
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:45,010
Great.

757
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:45,810
Okay, good.

758
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:46,430
Thank you.

759
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:47,470
All right.

760
01:29:47,710 --> 01:29:48,550
Any other questions?

761
01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:49,710
Okay.

762
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:52,370
Then I look forward to hearing from everyone here tonight.

763
01:29:52,730 --> 01:29:57,370
So I'm just going to call two or three people at a time, and if you wouldn't mind

764
01:29:57,370 --> 01:29:58,390
lining up over there.

765
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:59,750
So.

766
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,940
First fall is Drayne Bianchi, followed by Christine Beverly.

767
01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:12,140
Is that right? Did I pronounce

768
01:30:12,140 --> 01:30:12,540
you wrong?

769
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,040
Good evening. I'm Diane Bianchi. I'm Diane. That's okay. It's the way I probably

770
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,440
would. Looks like an R. Okay. Sorry about that. That's all right. I'm a resident of

771
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:38,580
Rindon. I do support these ordinances. I'm also here again this evening as a board

772
01:30:38,580 --> 01:30:42,560
member of the League of Women Voters of Diablo Valley to support it. It is an

773
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,040
in alignment with the National League's position on guns,

774
01:30:46,220 --> 01:30:47,380
and we do support this ordinance.

775
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:48,940
I hope you will consider it.

776
01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:49,500
Thank you.

777
01:30:49,820 --> 01:30:52,760
Christine Veverie, and she'll be followed

778
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,440
by Jennifer Balducci.

779
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:56,280
Christine here?

780
01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:00,330
Duncan Court?

781
01:31:01,150 --> 01:31:01,570
The two.

782
01:31:01,650 --> 01:31:01,790
Barry.

783
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:04,050
OK, great.

784
01:31:13,010 --> 01:31:15,870
So Christine Barry, and I've been a 20-year resident

785
01:31:15,870 --> 01:31:16,870
of Arundah.

786
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:20,430
And the Brady campaign shows that we

787
01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:28,630
We have 4.6 million children that are in homes that have unsafely stored guns and we see

788
01:31:28,630 --> 01:31:36,970
eight children a day that are injured or killed because of just accidental use of guns in

789
01:31:36,970 --> 01:31:37,330
their home.

790
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:42,290
As a mom in this community I want to be able to feel that my kids are going to a

791
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:45,310
safe environment and that there isn't that risk.

792
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:54,590
I had a situation just recently in June where my in-laws, good friends, a pastor had his

793
01:31:54,590 --> 01:32:02,750
gun, and this is in Atlanta, or in Georgia, but had his gun out kind of inadvertently.

794
01:32:03,150 --> 01:32:06,050
His family came over and he was putting the gun away.

795
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:13,370
It went off and ricocheted off the fireplace, hit his daughter in the heart and she died

796
01:32:13,370 --> 01:32:17,430
instantly in front of her two siblings and her parents and the past he killed

797
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:23,110
his daughter and that type of accidental you know activity and when

798
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:29,750
someone is actually a well-meaning gun owner needs to be avoided at all costs so

799
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:34,210
I hope you support this so that we can all feel safe in this community. Thank

800
01:32:34,210 --> 01:32:37,610
you Christine. Thank you for your comments and Jennifer you'll be

801
01:32:37,610 --> 01:32:40,030
followed by Robin Meeson.

802
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:42,310
Thank you.

803
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:45,050
Hi, Jennifer Balducci, 10-year resident

804
01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:47,550
and mother of two, resident of Arundah.

805
01:32:48,190 --> 01:32:50,190
Thank you for putting these two ordinance

806
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:51,810
on the agenda for tonight.

807
01:32:52,370 --> 01:32:55,590
And I fully support the city drafting the two ordinances.

808
01:32:57,330 --> 01:32:59,730
Reading your paperwork that was attached,

809
01:33:00,210 --> 01:33:02,030
there are no gun dealers in Arundah yet,

810
01:33:02,130 --> 01:33:04,650
so it's the perfect time to enact this ordinance,

811
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:07,810
to not allow gun sales in the future.

812
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:11,750
There wouldn't be seemingly any opposition to it.

813
01:33:12,230 --> 01:33:14,490
Pleasant Hill had the lawsuit because there already was

814
01:33:14,490 --> 01:33:16,770
a gun dealer that brought up the lawsuit.

815
01:33:18,150 --> 01:33:20,450
And also they said it was a zoning issue,

816
01:33:20,610 --> 01:33:23,110
so knowing that we could zone correctly,

817
01:33:23,450 --> 01:33:25,190
include that in the ordinance.

818
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:35,200
And the safe storage, only San Francisco was sued

819
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:44,240
And they won, so no one else that's ever passed a safe gun ordinance has been sued, so I don't know the legal issues are as

820
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,020
scary as it's being made to see.

821
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:46,900
Thank you.

822
01:33:47,260 --> 01:33:47,680
Thank you.

823
01:33:47,860 --> 01:33:48,620
Thank you very much.

824
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,440
Dr. Meeson will be followed by Stephanie Dickerson.

825
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,280
Hi, I'm Robin Meeson.

826
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,560
I'm a Rindy resident and an Rindy pediatrician.

827
01:33:55,980 --> 01:34:02,480
And I come representing myself as well as my other partners in my pediatric practice, and we wrote a letter together.

828
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:06,060
We stand for the health and well-being of children in our community.

829
01:34:06,620 --> 01:34:08,640
Safe storage of firearms saves lives.

830
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:12,820
Unlocked guns lead to both unintentional gun injuries and intentional shootings.

831
01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:17,760
Adolescent suicide risk is associated with the availability of firearms.

832
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:24,520
Teens experience strong emotions and can be impulsive and more likely to attempt suicide.

833
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:31,060
Access to a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide even in children without a psychiatric diagnosis.

834
01:34:31,060 --> 01:34:34,780
The safest home for children and youth is one without a gun.

835
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,500
If there are guns in the home, evidence shows that the risk of

836
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,840
imagery or death is greatly reduced when they are stored,

837
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:45,200
unloaded, and locked with ammunition locked in a separate place.

838
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:49,400
I think a lot of times people talk about these issues like they

839
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:50,500
aren't arrenda issues.

840
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,180
Teen depression and suicide is an arrenda issue.

841
01:34:56,700 --> 01:35:00,140
And as a pediatrician I feel very strongly that we should do

842
01:35:00,140 --> 01:35:03,340
everything we can do as a community to help protect our children.

843
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,880
Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Miesin. And Stephanie Dickerson will be followed by Jackie Moreau.

844
01:35:11,140 --> 01:35:14,620
Hello. Thank you so much for your time this evening in your service to Aurendra.

845
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,720
My name is Stephanie Dickerson. I'm a Maraga resident.

846
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:24,000
I support the two gun safety ordinances and I strongly encourage you to draft them and pass them into law.

847
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:27,520
Sadly, we're seeing a high death toll in children.

848
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,120
89% of accidental shooting deaths among children occur in the home,

849
01:35:32,420 --> 01:35:36,480
and most of these deaths are when children are playing with unsecured, loaded firearms.

850
01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:39,200
We're also seeing deaths play out at school.

851
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:43,520
A recent Washington Post report was released in August of 2018,

852
01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:46,980
and it basically looked at school shootings since 1999.

853
01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:50,620
They looked at 145 school shootings.

854
01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:55,660
80% of these children were the perpetrators of the crime and they got

855
01:35:55,660 --> 01:35:59,520
the gun because their parents or relatives did not secure it properly.

856
01:36:01,300 --> 01:36:05,440
Furthermore, there's no correlation between the socioeconomic status of an area

857
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:09,920
and the likelihood of a shooting. We can see this with Parkland and with Sandy Hook.

858
01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:14,460
Our community is not immune just like their communities were not immune.

859
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:18,280
The approach of safe storage is a very modest ordinance.

860
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,100
It does not place any restrictions on owning guns.

861
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:29,420
It simply requires that people follow safe storage practices that are even taught at gun safety classes and you can even find it in that NRA handbook.

862
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:39,440
As someone who is from a family of gun owning farmers and hunters, I find these ordinance to be a very common sense approach to protecting the lives of children in our community.

863
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:47,540
I'd also like to close with, we have Allison Anderman here and she works for the Giffords Lost Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

864
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:55,060
She is a legal expert in this field and when I heard a lot of the city manager statements, they were flat out incorrect.

865
01:36:55,680 --> 01:37:01,660
I would encourage you that if you have further questions to please ask a legal expert in this field. Thank you so much.

866
01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:07,920
Okay, great. Stephanie, thank you. Jackie will be followed by Ellen Nelson.

867
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:18,140
Hello. Good evening. I was just going to come here and say I'm Jackie Moreau. I've been

868
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:23,740
a resident of Rinta for over 20 years and I support the garden ordinances, the ordinances

869
01:37:23,740 --> 01:37:30,960
that are before you. That's what I was going to say. And Mr. Solomon, I am just completely

870
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:36,940
offended by your report and what you had to say. I am a victim of gun violence and

871
01:37:36,940 --> 01:37:40,060
and I also have some personal friends

872
01:37:40,060 --> 01:37:43,000
that have lost their child to suicide.

873
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:48,900
So I think had they had their guns secured,

874
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:51,220
that would not have happened.

875
01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:56,940
So I implore you to please do everything you can

876
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:00,040
and be aggressive passing this ordinance.

877
01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:00,900
Thank you.

878
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:01,540
Thank you.

879
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,480
Jackie, thank you for being here tonight.

880
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,880
Ellen and she'll be followed by John,

881
01:38:10,420 --> 01:38:13,840
oh, Johnson, I'm going to guess, Greenwood Court, is that right?

882
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,620
Thank you. Thank you.

883
01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:24,240
My name is Ellen Nelson. I've been in a Renda resident with my husband here since 1993.

884
01:38:27,580 --> 01:38:33,640
And this is an issue that brought me for the first time, I think, to stand up at a podium like this.

885
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,700
So I do wanna take the opportunity to thank you all

886
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:38,120
for your service to our community.

887
01:38:38,660 --> 01:38:40,340
We appreciate everything that you do

888
01:38:40,990 --> 01:38:44,080
and know that you weigh the concerns of citizens

889
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,780
very, very carefully and do a lot of work.

890
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:53,020
So I just ask that you really carefully use

891
01:38:53,020 --> 01:38:56,520
the collective brain power and I know you're all amazing

892
01:38:57,230 --> 01:39:00,060
to really look deeply into this issue

893
01:39:00,060 --> 01:39:06,080
and continue to listen to the citizens of this wonderful town, like you have.

894
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:12,520
And I know there's a lot of feeling about this. There's a lot of very intelligent people

895
01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:18,700
that I know are addressing you tonight and have addressed you in letters and will continue to do so.

896
01:39:18,820 --> 01:39:24,300
Just please weigh those. I'm in complete and total support of these two ordinances.

897
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:33,480
And I was lucky enough to have my two children go through the Arenda Schools, make it safely through.

898
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:39,640
It is a very different world than it was when we moved here in 1993.

899
01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:44,080
And I think a lot of you I know have been here as long as I have them maybe longer.

900
01:39:44,440 --> 01:39:50,300
It's a different world and we need to continue to move along with that world

901
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:55,040
and realized that, you know, what it was in 1993 and we didn't even think about things

902
01:39:55,040 --> 01:40:01,860
like this, but I know that this is a progressive city and there's always been a leader in things

903
01:40:01,860 --> 01:40:02,620
they've taken on.

904
01:40:02,740 --> 01:40:07,460
And I would like to see us, Maraga beat us on this one in one respect.

905
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:14,900
And I would like to see us be a leader for other communities and continue to be what

906
01:40:14,900 --> 01:40:21,320
Brenda has been in the reason that we moved here, all of us, and to protect all of our

907
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:22,780
citizens and our children.

908
01:40:23,380 --> 01:40:23,800
Thank you.

909
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:24,440
Thank you.

910
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:25,500
Thank you very much.

911
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:29,730
And John will be followed by Melissa Griffiths.

912
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:31,860
Hi.

913
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:32,860
My name is John Johnson.

914
01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:37,060
I'm a Brenda resident and I'm here to express my support for gun safety.

915
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:40,540
I too know it's a very difficult issue and I know that you're going to struggle

916
01:40:40,540 --> 01:40:40,900
with it.

917
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:44,720
And I hope that you weigh it very carefully and move the ball forward.

918
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:52,520
Don't be afraid to take a stance, listen to us, listen to both sides, and make the right decision.

919
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,640
What's in your heart and in your head. Thank you.

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01:40:54,860 --> 01:40:56,320
Thank you. Thank you very much.

921
01:40:56,980 --> 01:41:03,160
And Melissa will be followed by Kathleen Stern. Thank you.

922
01:41:03,340 --> 01:41:06,200
Good evening. My name is Melissa Griffiths.

923
01:41:06,260 --> 01:41:08,320
I'm an Orinda citizen and a parent.

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01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,820
And like any parent, I take the safety of my children very seriously.

925
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,580
Because of this, this is my first time speaking at a forum like this,

926
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,300
I fully support the two gun safety ordinances before you.

927
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According to the Giffords Law Center, more than 75% of guns

928
01:41:23,980 --> 01:41:28,300
used in unintentional injuries of babies through 19-year-olds

929
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:32,640
were stored in the residence of a victim, a relative, or a friend.

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01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:40,260
73% of children aged 9 and under reported knowing the location of their parents' firearms

931
01:41:40,260 --> 01:41:47,180
and 36% admitted that they'd handled the weapons, including many whose parents had reported

932
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:50,260
that children did not know the location of those firearms.

933
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:58,160
It's therefore unsurprising that 89% of accidental shooting deaths occur among children in

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01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:03,340
the home and that most of those deaths occur when children are playing with an unsecured

935
01:42:03,340 --> 01:42:11,120
firearm in their parents' absence. These statistics are horrific. The practice of keeping firearms

936
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:16,440
locked, unloaded and storing ammunition in a locked location may assist in reducing

937
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:21,860
unintentional injuries in homes with children and teenagers. We need safe storage in

938
01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:28,480
Please, Orinda City Council, move to draft the two gun safety audiences we have requested.

939
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:29,440
Thank you.

940
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:37,860
Thank you very much, Melissa, and you will be followed by Kathleen Stern, who will then

941
01:42:37,860 --> 01:42:40,220
be followed by Patrick Helm.

942
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:41,860
Thank you.

943
01:42:42,340 --> 01:42:42,600
Hi.

944
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:43,420
Good evening.

945
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,560
My name is Carleen Stern.

946
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,240
And again, I wanted to say thank you so much for your time and dedication to the

947
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,100
City of Orinda and the residents that live here.

948
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:51,700
I'm a new resident of Orinda.

949
01:42:51,700 --> 01:42:57,060
we moved here in January from San Francisco, like many others. And we chose Aranda specifically

950
01:42:57,060 --> 01:43:01,820
when we decided to move to the East Bay. My husband grew up here, his family's still here,

951
01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:05,740
and we wanted to raise our daughter here. It is a unique and special community.

952
01:43:06,260 --> 01:43:10,340
It took us a while to get here, but we were finally here and we're excited to be part of

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01:43:10,340 --> 01:43:14,340
the community. And as a new member of this community, I wanted to express my support for

954
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:20,760
these two ordinances tonight. I am asking you as leaders of this community to take a look at

955
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,340
these ordinances, a lot of work has been done

956
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:25,780
by a lot of smart people on this issue

957
01:43:25,780 --> 01:43:28,860
and I'm begging you to really take time

958
01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:31,580
to understand the facts, understand the legal implications

959
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:34,580
and what really is going on and not the rhetoric

960
01:43:35,140 --> 01:43:36,500
and make a reason decision.

961
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:38,460
There are a lot of people here tonight in support.

962
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,260
I'm one of them and we're asking you

963
01:43:41,260 --> 01:43:44,960
to support the two ordinances requiring trigger locks

964
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,460
or gun safes and regulating dealers.

965
01:43:48,460 --> 01:43:52,980
You know, it was mentioned earlier by Chief Nagle, California law does not go far enough

966
01:43:52,980 --> 01:43:53,800
on this issue.

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01:43:54,260 --> 01:44:00,480
It is a reactive penal statute and we are looking for a proactive, affirmative way to

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01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:01,860
protect our children and our families.

969
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:03,520
So thank you very much for your time.

970
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:04,220
Great.

971
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:05,000
Thank you.

972
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:06,480
Thank you very much, Carleen.

973
01:44:06,900 --> 01:44:10,580
And Patrick will be followed by Kim Desmond.

974
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:11,780
Thank you.

975
01:44:11,780 --> 01:44:12,300
Thank you, everyone.

976
01:44:12,940 --> 01:44:16,300
And I want to start off by saying that I want to thank the activists that are

977
01:44:16,300 --> 01:44:16,480
here.

978
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,300
I appreciate the coordination they have.

979
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:20,420
I see they're all dressed up.

980
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:21,080
They have banners.

981
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,200
They're fighting for their cause.

982
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,000
And unfortunately, I have to disagree with them.

983
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:31,720
It'd be great to say that these ordinances are going to change anything.

984
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:33,980
But when I look at them, I think we all have the same goal,

985
01:44:34,340 --> 01:44:35,340
which is we have children.

986
01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:36,260
We care about children.

987
01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:37,300
We want to protect them.

988
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,660
But if we pass a law, it should be substantive.

989
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:41,100
It should actually do something.

990
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:43,520
And in this case, as I look at these two laws,

991
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:48,560
a storage requirement, that I think is mostly unenforceable, except in odd circumstances

992
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:53,680
where you happen to run across, it appears to be symbolic. And likewise, passing a law

993
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:59,180
related to prohibition of gun dealers, instead of opposing sensible rules like Lafayette,

994
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:59,960
Zoning, and other...

995
01:45:18,460 --> 01:45:26,140
The other unintended symbolism is that this can be interpreted as an act of hostility and

996
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:29,400
aggression to members of your own community that feels strongly about Second Amendment

997
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:29,860
rights.

998
01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:34,080
So please, you know, make this consideration when you think about these ordinances.

999
01:45:34,260 --> 01:45:37,720
What's the point behind doing this, including exposing yourself to legal liability?

1000
01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:43,780
And I strongly encourage you to read the letter that's written by the NRA and CRPA lawyers to the town of Moraga

1001
01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:45,920
for some pretty deep legal insight into this.

1002
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,240
I'd also like to encourage more education.

1003
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,760
You know, in our schools, we realize as parents that our kids are going to run in situations where they have sex,

1004
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,360
so we teach safe sex in schools.

1005
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:02,260
And we just acknowledge, you know, I'm not disagreeing with the prior speaker, that children will run into firearms during their lifetimes.

1006
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:08,060
But for some reason, even though we admit there is a potential for harm there, we haven't made an effort to educate them.

1007
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:13,060
So I would support the police chief in any kind of education efforts in the community as well.

1008
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,700
Patrick, thank you very much for your comments.

1009
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:22,480
And Kim, you will be followed by Shannon Hedroni.

1010
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:23,240
Thank you, welcome.

1011
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:24,080
Thank you.

1012
01:46:24,580 --> 01:46:25,700
Hi, my name is Kim Desmond.

1013
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:30,960
I'm an Arenda resident and I am supportive of these two ordinances. I love living in

1014
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,880
Arenda. I feel really lucky to be in this community but there's some irony that

1015
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,160
before living here, before moving here, I spent 15 years living in San Francisco

1016
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:42,020
and when I was in San Francisco, nothing that ever happened to me. In my

1017
01:46:42,020 --> 01:46:44,880
first year living in Arenda, my house was broken in two in the middle of the

1018
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:49,600
day and one or more persons came in and took a number of valuable items and

1019
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:53,620
I can only imagine if we had an unsecured firearm in our house, that

1020
01:46:53,620 --> 01:46:56,580
that unsecured firearm would have landed in the hands

1021
01:46:56,580 --> 01:46:57,880
of one or more criminals.

1022
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,580
The other reason why I'm so passionate about this ordinance

1023
01:47:01,580 --> 01:47:03,760
is that I'm lucky enough to have a three-year-old daughter.

1024
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:05,820
And like most three-year-olds,

1025
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:07,780
she is full of energy and into everything.

1026
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,200
And she wants to do everything herself.

1027
01:47:10,420 --> 01:47:12,020
So a common refrain in our house is,

1028
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:13,400
mommy, I do it myself.

1029
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:15,540
And I can only imagine if she came across

1030
01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:17,380
an unsecured firearm, she would treat it much

1031
01:47:17,380 --> 01:47:19,260
like she would when she finds my hairdryer

1032
01:47:19,260 --> 01:47:21,800
or my bike pump where she wants to try it out herself

1033
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,480
and that would have potentially disastrous consequences.

1034
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,000
A really good friend of mine in 2010

1035
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,240
lost his three-year-old nephew when he came across

1036
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:32,220
an unsecured firearm in his parents' house.

1037
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,000
And now that I'm lucky enough to be a mom,

1038
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:37,020
I can only see to you clearly how easily that could happen.

1039
01:47:37,300 --> 01:47:39,280
So thank you for taking the time to listen

1040
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,200
and I really beg you to pass these ordinances.

1041
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:42,960
Thank you.

1042
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:44,660
Kim, thank you for your comments.

1043
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,460
And Shannon, welcome.

1044
01:47:46,820 --> 01:47:49,400
And you'll be followed by Rebecca Bauer-Kahn.

1045
01:47:49,940 --> 01:47:50,300
Thank you.

1046
01:47:50,300 --> 01:47:56,740
Thank you mayor and city council members and staff for your service and for

1047
01:47:56,740 --> 01:48:00,600
considering this topic tonight. My name is Shannon Padrone, I live in

1048
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:06,300
Arenda, I'm a working mother of three kids and I went on the way. I support both

1049
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:14,680
ordinances. I'd like to comment about the topic of gun dealer regulations. A

1050
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:18,600
dealer ordinance would impose reasonable regulations on gun sellers who

1051
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:24,440
wish to operate in Arenda, including requiring dealers to sell out of commercial zones, not

1052
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:31,000
in residential zones. Over 170 California jurisdictions have gone above and beyond state

1053
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:37,020
law in their regulation of gun dealers, including the unincorporated areas of our county.

1054
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,440
Several of the jurisdictions go further and require compliance with security requirements

1055
01:48:42,440 --> 01:48:48,320
and periodic law enforcement inspections. Gun dealers are a high value target for

1056
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:54,320
criminals and crimes are on the rise. Between 2013 and 15, gun dealers are

1057
01:48:54,320 --> 01:49:01,500
reported a 36% increase in burglaries. I have some personal knowledge of gun

1058
01:49:01,500 --> 01:49:05,160
dealers being a target for criminal activity, given that my grandparents

1059
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:10,460
operated a gun dealership out of their home in Denver, Colorado, and they also

1060
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:14,340
owned a gun show there. They experienced burglaries and were

1061
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:22,600
frequently threatened. One such burglary ended in a gang leader being shot. My

1062
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:27,680
grandparents lived in constant fear of retaliation and drive-by shootings. When

1063
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:32,940
I was a kid I worried about them and now I just can't believe the risk that

1064
01:49:32,940 --> 01:49:33,780
they put their neighbors.

1065
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,620
We can prevent gun dealers from being our

1066
01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:43,520
neighbors with a reasonable ordinance keeping them out of our

1067
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:48,080
neighborhoods out of residential zones. In response to some points raised by the

1068
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:51,940
city manager's report, including that there are no gun dealers in Arundah,

1069
01:49:52,820 --> 01:49:56,260
just gonna go a little over, this would seem the ideal time to put in place

1070
01:49:56,260 --> 01:50:01,200
proactive regulations. The report noted that the city would know if someone

1071
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,880
wanted to open up a business as a dealer would have to register, but

1072
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,000
knowing about it doesn't provide compliance with safety regulations.

1073
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:12,880
Lastly, in regards to Arundah not having its own police staff, the county

1074
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:18,280
you shouldn't have a problem enforcing an ordinance for Orinda that it already enforces

1075
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:23,520
in unincorporated areas of our county due to a law that prohibits home-based gun dealers

1076
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:29,660
requires the gun dealers be located a minimum distance away from sensitive areas and requires

1077
01:50:29,660 --> 01:50:33,780
that the location will have adequate safe storage and security.

1078
01:50:34,420 --> 01:50:34,640
Thank you.

1079
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:35,540
Thank you.

1080
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:36,520
Thank you very much.

1081
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,080
And Rebecca will be followed by Leslie Volk.

1082
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:40,640
Hi.

1083
01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:45,500
Thank you, Mayor Worth and council members for considering this.

1084
01:50:45,580 --> 01:50:50,060
Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, I'm a window resident and mom of three children,

1085
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:51,520
two of whom are in our public schools.

1086
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,320
I also want to thank our public safety officers that are here tonight.

1087
01:50:54,740 --> 01:50:56,980
They work day in and day out to keep our community safe.

1088
01:50:57,220 --> 01:50:58,120
Their work is so important.

1089
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,740
It's one of the reasons that I'm so happy to live here in our community.

1090
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,960
And as a mother of young children, I want to say that although I do respect

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01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,260
the right of my neighbors and community members to bear arms and to have weapons,

1092
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:14,120
I also know that it is incumbent upon us to keep our community safe.

1093
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:18,840
And so with my children playing in households throughout this community, I want to know

1094
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,140
that guns are stored safely.

1095
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:25,380
I also want to know that if there is a theft of robbery in a home, that those guns will

1096
01:51:25,380 --> 01:51:28,680
not end up in the hands of people who will use them in ways that none of us want them

1097
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:29,100
used.

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01:51:29,620 --> 01:51:31,560
So I thank you for considering this.

1099
01:51:31,740 --> 01:51:33,100
I ask that you move this forward.

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01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,640
I ask that we do the work that the city attorney has asked us to do to make sure

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01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,280
we can do this in a constitutional way.

1102
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:41,020
and I thank you in advance for your support of this.

1103
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:43,180
Thank you, thank you very much.

1104
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,880
Rebecca Leslie will be followed by Ann Rohr.

1105
01:51:51,700 --> 01:51:53,600
Hello, my name is Leslie Volk.

1106
01:51:53,820 --> 01:51:55,980
I am an Orinda resident and I support the proposed

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01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:58,900
ordinances for safe storage of firearms

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01:51:58,900 --> 01:52:01,480
and the ordinance to regulate gun dealers in Orinda.

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01:52:02,380 --> 01:52:05,000
The federal and California laws do not go far enough

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01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,920
to encourage responsible gun storage

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01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,620
and change cultural norms so that firearms

1112
01:52:09,620 --> 01:52:11,600
are inaccessible to burglars

1113
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,060
suicidal and homicidal teens and

1114
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:16,040
innocent children. I greatly

1115
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,080
appreciate the work by the

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01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:18,420
police that works with the

1117
01:52:18,420 --> 01:52:19,900
community to promote the

1118
01:52:19,900 --> 01:52:21,720
practice of safe gun ownership

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01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:23,740
and firearm safety at home.

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01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:25,900
Safe storage of firearms when

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01:52:26,340 --> 01:52:27,740
not in the use of is an

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01:52:27,740 --> 01:52:29,340
essential element of responsible

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01:52:29,340 --> 01:52:31,780
gun ownership and must in the

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01:52:31,780 --> 01:52:33,200
most effective way to prevent

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01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,120
firearm accidents, theft and

1126
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:36,980
misuse. A safe storage

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01:52:36,980 --> 01:52:38,120
ordinance would provide an

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01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:39,540
essential expectation and

1129
01:52:39,540 --> 01:52:45,400
it is enforceable. Safe storage laws are enforceable just like any other law that regulates

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01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:51,920
conduct inside the home. The Orinda Police Department is contracted by the Contra Costa

1131
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,940
Office of Sheriffs and it was noted in the staff report that it has not yet been discussed

1132
01:52:55,940 --> 01:53:00,660
with them. I assume that it will be discussed and it should also be noted that the Orinda

1133
01:53:00,660 --> 01:53:06,280
Polices are already enforcing state laws and Orinda specific ordinances. Why should

1134
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:10,880
this a Rinda specific ordinance be any different. The enforceability of an

1135
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,820
ordinance is also not its sole justification. We don't have seat belt

1136
01:53:14,820 --> 01:53:18,900
laws because we expect to ticket every single person who drives without a

1137
01:53:18,900 --> 01:53:23,080
seat belt. We know that laws can influence behavior. This law seeks to

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:27,180
establish a cultural norm much like fastening a seat belt when getting into

1139
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:33,120
a car or fastening the child proof cap on a medicine cap. We don't do these

1140
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,860
These things because we expect police to be watching us.

1141
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:38,340
We do these things because we are responsible citizens.

1142
01:53:39,060 --> 01:53:42,500
But laws are in place to make sure that it is the standard norm.

1143
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,400
If a state storage law can prevent unauthorized actists by one child or

1144
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:54,040
prevent one gun from being stolen or sold into the criminal market because a gun owner followed the law, it is worth it.

1145
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,120
These laws are already in place in numerous communities in California.

1146
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:08,640
I request that Arenda join these other California jurisdictions and pass a comprehensive gun safety regulation to protect our children and citizens from the threat of gun violence.

1147
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:09,320
Thank you.

1148
01:54:09,340 --> 01:54:10,020
Leslie, thank you.

1149
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:10,980
Thank you for your comments.

1150
01:54:12,020 --> 01:54:14,200
Anne, you'll be followed by Nicole Reeder.

1151
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:15,220
Thank you.

1152
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:19,380
Hello.

1153
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:25,840
My name is Anne Rohr and I am a citizen of Arenda and have been for 10 years now.

1154
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:28,260
I'm also a mother to two young children.

1155
01:54:28,260 --> 01:54:34,900
children. I love this community very much and I fully support the two gun safety ordinances

1156
01:54:34,900 --> 01:54:41,720
before you today. As in reference to safe storage, I'd like to talk a little bit about

1157
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:48,200
a 2000, in year 2000 study published in the American Journal of Public Health found that

1158
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:56,240
of the homes with children and firearms, 55% were reported to have one or more firearms

1159
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,680
arms in an unlocked place.

1160
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:03,400
And 43% reported keeping guns without a trigger lock

1161
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,000
in an unlocked place.

1162
01:55:05,660 --> 01:55:09,060
I grew up in a small town of Pacific Grove, California.

1163
01:55:09,540 --> 01:55:11,080
I was a senior in high school.

1164
01:55:11,620 --> 01:55:16,120
My boyfriend was in my driveway and was accidentally shot.

1165
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,860
And he was fortunate enough to make it through that

1166
01:55:19,860 --> 01:55:22,540
after two months of in and out of the hospital.

1167
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:30,780
I know what impact a accidental type of situation this can have on a community, on families,

1168
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:38,560
and we have to do something to make sure that our kids are safe and that the access to guns

1169
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:47,240
are kept that when they are kept in the home they are kept safely and this is very important to me.

1170
01:55:47,240 --> 01:56:02,160
I mean, PTSD is is real when an accident like this happens, whether the outcome is okay or not, and I just want I hope that you consider this in its importance for our kids to be kept safe.

1171
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:08,640
And I appreciate your time tonight and I want to thank the officers that serve serve our community. Thank you.

1172
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:15,460
Great and thank you for your comments and Nicole reader will be followed by Craig that that is.

1173
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:25,540
Thank you. Mayor, council, city staff, thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name

1174
01:56:25,540 --> 01:56:31,180
is Nicole Reeder and I'm a city resident. I have lived here for 18 years. And I was

1175
01:56:31,180 --> 01:56:35,740
going to begin by saying something else, but I thought I would like to address whether

1176
01:56:35,740 --> 01:56:41,640
this is a symbolic ordinance or not. And I think that it is not. There is a state

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01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:46,240
in this country, the state of Massachusetts, which does have a safe storage law.

1178
01:56:46,780 --> 01:56:50,040
No gun in the state of Massachusetts can be stored unless it is locked.

1179
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:53,320
It can be loaded, but it needs to be locked or secured.

1180
01:56:55,580 --> 01:57:01,980
And in the state of Massachusetts, their youth suicide rate is very different than ours.

1181
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:08,600
Guns are used on only 9% of youth suicides in the state of Massachusetts.

1182
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:11,640
It's nationwide, it's 39%.

1183
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:13,180
That's a big difference.

1184
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:14,660
That is not symbolic.

1185
01:57:15,620 --> 01:57:19,280
And in Massachusetts, the overall suicide death rate

1186
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:23,500
among youth is 35% below the national average.

1187
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,080
That's something that can make a big difference here.

1188
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,940
I know that the school district and parents

1189
01:57:28,940 --> 01:57:31,440
were worried about stressed out kids,

1190
01:57:31,620 --> 01:57:33,380
were worried about anxious kids and depressed kids.

1191
01:57:33,780 --> 01:57:36,560
Suicide has touched Rinda kids before

1192
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:42,140
and making guns just a little bit less available is a place where we can make a real difference.

1193
01:57:43,180 --> 01:57:48,520
Unfortunately, in my life, when I was a teenager, my cousin's cousin killed herself

1194
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:54,980
with a gun that was in the family's home. It was an impulse. She didn't plan it.

1195
01:57:55,300 --> 01:57:59,340
She was in a fight with her mom. She ran into the other room. She grabbed the gun and she was dead.

1196
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:04,520
If that gun had been a little bit less accessible, she might not have died

1197
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:11,740
And it broke that family apart, and I know that that's an opportunity that we can make a change right here in this city.

1198
01:58:12,220 --> 01:58:16,800
Safe storage can make a difference for us and it's up to us.

1199
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,580
So thank you so much for your time, Craig.

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01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,900
Nicole, thank you for your comments.

1201
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:22,820
And Craig, welcome.

1202
01:58:23,180 --> 01:58:26,420
Would you please give me the honor of pronouncing your last name so I don't.

1203
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:28,100
I'm Craig Tejas.

1204
01:58:28,540 --> 01:58:29,740
Tejas, thank you.

1205
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:30,840
Mayor, city council.

1206
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:32,080
Welcome, thank you.

1207
01:58:32,260 --> 01:58:33,420
Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

1208
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:39,580
I'm here in support of the safe storage measure.

1209
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:42,780
When I was growing up in Michigan, rural Michigan,

1210
01:58:43,220 --> 01:58:46,380
I learned about guns, and I learned a couple things.

1211
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,660
One was to shoot what you want to shoot,

1212
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:53,220
and the other was to make sure that what you don't want shot doesn't get shot.

1213
01:58:54,260 --> 01:58:58,940
And a safe storage measure is a common sense measure

1214
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,580
to make sure that guns are used the way they should be.

1215
01:59:03,580 --> 01:59:09,700
And we've heard from people coming up to this podium about the public health statistics.

1216
01:59:10,340 --> 01:59:12,060
I think the public health statistics are clear.

1217
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,740
There's a public health reason to store guns safely.

1218
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:20,360
And I encourage you to draft an ordinance that will do that for this community.

1219
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:21,820
Great.

1220
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:22,320
Great.

1221
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:22,700
Thank you.

1222
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:23,860
Thank you for your comments.

1223
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:27,520
Courtney Bennett will be followed by Kelsey Wolfman.

1224
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:48,720
Good evening.

1225
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:50,600
Thank you for your time and service.

1226
01:59:51,180 --> 01:59:52,220
My name is Courtney Bennett.

1227
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:58,760
I'm in a Rinda resident and a mom of three and I wanted to speak to the issues of cost.

1228
02:00:00,050 --> 02:00:08,790
The Giffords Law Center estimates that gun violence costs the American economy at least $229 billion annually,

1229
02:00:09,650 --> 02:00:15,650
including $8.6 billion in direct expenses, such as for emergency and medical care.

1230
02:00:16,630 --> 02:00:24,970
Gun violence costs more than $700 per American every year, more than the total economic cost of obesity

1231
02:00:24,970 --> 02:00:30,350
and almost as much as the annual price tag for the entire Medicaid program.

1232
02:00:31,930 --> 02:00:37,550
In my opinion, investing in gun violence prevention is a smart use of a rent-a-tax dollars.

1233
02:00:39,450 --> 02:00:44,810
And I ask that you please move forward to draft the two gun safety ordinances that

1234
02:00:44,810 --> 02:00:45,490
we have requested.

1235
02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:46,270
Thank you.

1236
02:00:46,590 --> 02:00:46,650
Great.

1237
02:00:47,330 --> 02:00:52,470
Courtney, thank you for your comments, and Kelsey Wolfman will be followed by Amy

1238
02:00:52,470 --> 02:00:53,110
McNamara.

1239
02:00:54,030 --> 02:00:55,770
At least I could pronounce that one correctly.

1240
02:00:56,110 --> 02:00:56,330
Okay.

1241
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:57,450
Hi.

1242
02:00:58,610 --> 02:01:01,710
Thank you guys so much for your time and for your service to our community.

1243
02:01:02,150 --> 02:01:05,550
It is huge and it is greatly appreciated by all of us.

1244
02:01:05,770 --> 02:01:07,370
So I wanted to start with saying thank you.

1245
02:01:08,010 --> 02:01:09,150
My name is Kelsey Wolfman.

1246
02:01:09,470 --> 02:01:11,610
I'm an Orinda resident with three children here.

1247
02:01:11,850 --> 02:01:13,350
My husband was born and raised here.

1248
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:16,290
And his family has been here for over 40 years.

1249
02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:19,250
There was no place we would live besides Orinda.

1250
02:01:19,690 --> 02:01:20,810
Thanks to his mother.

1251
02:01:20,810 --> 02:01:27,570
she wants us here forever but seriously so tonight I just want to let you know

1252
02:01:27,570 --> 02:01:31,640
I've personally been a witness to more than three acts of firearm violence in

1253
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:37,230
my life including one incident when I was in high school at a friend's house and

1254
02:01:37,230 --> 02:01:41,310
my friend found his father's gun that was in a safe but the safe was not locked

1255
02:01:41,310 --> 02:01:47,010
and he got the gun out and pretended to shoot it at our other friend and in

1256
02:01:47,010 --> 02:01:52,830
the process shot the gun and blew a hole through his parents bed and missed my

1257
02:01:52,830 --> 02:02:00,270
friend by mere inches. It was traumatic. No one was actually shot. No one died. It

1258
02:02:00,270 --> 02:02:05,450
was not on the news. There were not candlelight vigils but it is something

1259
02:02:05,450 --> 02:02:09,410
that has lived with me and with everyone that was there for our entire

1260
02:02:09,410 --> 02:02:11,370
lives. I still think about it daily.

1261
02:02:13,570 --> 02:02:17,750
Had that gun been stored safely, that would not have

1262
02:02:17,750 --> 02:02:21,250
happened. He would not have been able to get his hand on it. Had he been able to get his

1263
02:02:21,250 --> 02:02:24,690
hand on it and there had been a lock on the trigger, he would not have been able to shoot

1264
02:02:24,690 --> 02:02:30,630
it or even pretend to shoot it. Because of that, I ask my children's parents, their

1265
02:02:30,630 --> 02:02:34,350
friends' parents often, do you have a gun in your home before I let my kids go to

1266
02:02:34,350 --> 02:02:37,610
and I'm shocked at how many guns there are in Arenda,

1267
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:41,050
in homes with small children, and it is a lot.

1268
02:02:41,950 --> 02:02:43,650
I believe in the Constitution,

1269
02:02:44,010 --> 02:02:45,510
and I believe in the Second Amendment,

1270
02:02:45,990 --> 02:02:47,650
and I am a full supporter of it,

1271
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:50,650
but I do not believe that these ordinances infringe

1272
02:02:50,650 --> 02:02:53,390
upon citizens' rights to bear arms

1273
02:02:53,390 --> 02:02:55,550
that simply give direction to gun owners

1274
02:02:55,550 --> 02:02:58,330
and ensure their safety and the safety of others

1275
02:02:58,330 --> 02:02:59,790
and their proximity by ensuring

1276
02:02:59,790 --> 02:03:01,490
their legally-obtained firearms

1277
02:03:01,490 --> 02:03:04,330
are safely secured when they are out of arms reach.

1278
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:06,410
I fully support these ordinances

1279
02:03:06,410 --> 02:03:09,730
and I support all of those that have spoken before me

1280
02:03:09,730 --> 02:03:11,470
in support of these ordinances so far.

1281
02:03:12,030 --> 02:03:12,170
Thank you.

1282
02:03:12,390 --> 02:03:12,490
Great.

1283
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:13,610
Kelsey, thank you.

1284
02:03:13,770 --> 02:03:14,730
Thank you for your comments

1285
02:03:14,730 --> 02:03:17,090
and Amy will be followed by David Libby.

1286
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:21,260
Good evening, council.

1287
02:03:21,620 --> 02:03:22,460
I'm Amy McNamara.

1288
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:23,640
I'm the associate superintendent

1289
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:25,180
of administrative services

1290
02:03:25,180 --> 02:03:27,180
for the Aqalanis Union High School District.

1291
02:03:28,180 --> 02:03:30,580
And I'm here tonight really as an educator

1292
02:03:30,580 --> 02:03:35,380
who has spent 22 years working in urban schools

1293
02:03:35,380 --> 02:03:37,300
before I came out to Aukalani's.

1294
02:03:37,740 --> 02:03:40,660
And unfortunately, as a high school principal for a decade,

1295
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,340
I've seen all too much of the devastating effects

1296
02:03:43,340 --> 02:03:45,620
of gun violence on young people

1297
02:03:45,620 --> 02:03:47,440
and the communities in which they live.

1298
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:51,340
Working with high school teenagers for over 22 years

1299
02:03:51,970 --> 02:03:54,600
has taught me that teenage access to firearms

1300
02:03:55,150 --> 02:03:58,220
all too often comes with tragic and deadly consequences.

1301
02:03:58,220 --> 02:04:05,520
In Aukalines we are working very hard to improve the safety of our school communities and our

1302
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:12,960
school campuses, the four high schools that we run, and we are addressing mental health in a

1303
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:18,420
more comprehensive manner than we ever have before with a beautiful wellness center opened

1304
02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:26,240
for two days at Miramani High School, Urinerinda. I truly believe that the passage of the safe

1305
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:31,360
storage ordinance, and gun dealer regulation will strengthen the efforts of our schools

1306
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,260
to keep our most precious resource, our young people, safe.

1307
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:38,320
And I thank you in advance for your support of it.

1308
02:04:39,340 --> 02:04:39,560
Great.

1309
02:04:39,980 --> 02:04:40,580
Amy, thank you.

1310
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:41,620
Thank you very much.

1311
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:47,080
And congratulations to having school back in session.

1312
02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:49,840
There was a long line at Lourdes today.

1313
02:04:50,020 --> 02:04:53,200
Everybody had their last ice cream before they had to go back to work.

1314
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:54,460
Thank you.

1315
02:04:55,180 --> 02:04:57,960
David will be followed by Julie Rosseter.

1316
02:04:58,240 --> 02:04:58,880
Thank you.

1317
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:08,240
Hi Mayor, thank you very much and thank you for your counsel for this evening for addressing this issue.

1318
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,740
And thank you Chief Nagle for being here as well as your officers.

1319
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:15,320
I actually came prepared with something to say but many of us have already said it.

1320
02:05:15,820 --> 02:05:18,600
I've even shared those stats that I was going to share.

1321
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,020
I'm not here today as a city commissioner.

1322
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:23,240
I'm here as a Rinda citizen.

1323
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:24,560
My wife is here as well.

1324
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:29,900
we've been here for nine years and we love Arenda and I also love being a city commissioner

1325
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:35,760
and being of service to the public as I'm sure all of you have and this is just a terrific

1326
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:40,620
opportunity for the mayor and the city council to really help make a difference in Arenda

1327
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:48,280
as has had in Maraga and Lafayette and as far as helping us make this community more

1328
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:52,500
safe so I just wanted to mention that my wife and I are both in support of these

1329
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:53,020
ordinances.

1330
02:05:53,540 --> 02:05:54,100
Thank you.

1331
02:05:54,380 --> 02:05:54,740
Great.

1332
02:05:54,940 --> 02:05:55,700
David, thank you.

1333
02:05:56,140 --> 02:05:57,020
Thank you for your comments.

1334
02:05:57,260 --> 02:05:59,940
And Julie will be followed by Eleni Ayers.

1335
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:04,240
Hi.

1336
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:06,120
Thank you for having us here tonight.

1337
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:06,940
Thank you.

1338
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:12,020
I'm Julie Rossiter on the Irinda School Board, but I'm really here as an individual speaking

1339
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:13,200
on my own behalf tonight.

1340
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:17,660
And a lot of people have touched on a lot of things, and I don't want to repeat

1341
02:06:17,660 --> 02:06:22,940
what people have said, but this really does seem to me like a common sense ordinance

1342
02:06:22,940 --> 02:06:24,920
that would make people safer.

1343
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:29,800
and it's what someone pointed out before about it being like this like a

1344
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:34,040
seatbelt law it really is very similar to that are the police going to be going

1345
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:37,680
into every home going into every car checking to make sure that you have

1346
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:42,920
your safe storage that you have your seatbelt on no but you set a standard

1347
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:47,740
and you tell people this is how you safely store something this is what you

1348
02:06:47,740 --> 02:06:52,960
do in this community to keep your gun safe in your home and then people

1349
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:54,900
we'll start doing it and then everyone is doing it

1350
02:06:54,900 --> 02:06:58,120
and the community is safer as a result.

1351
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:02,620
I also think this really dovetails nicely

1352
02:07:02,620 --> 02:07:05,800
in with a lot of what we're doing in the school district

1353
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,560
with safety, school site safety, trainings,

1354
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:12,880
you know, all the active shooter trainings

1355
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,140
and things that we do there.

1356
02:07:14,980 --> 02:07:19,020
I really urge you to support these these ordinance.

1357
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:21,200
I really do feel like it is a common sense.

1358
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:29,020
And I also want to say one more thing, it could really, yes, I believe 10 cities in California

1359
02:07:29,020 --> 02:07:31,720
have passed safe storage ordinances.

1360
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:38,680
You could be a leader on the forefront, really, to say to other communities, this is how everyone

1361
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:39,580
should be doing this.

1362
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:44,100
Just like the seatbelt law when it didn't exist, not everyone drove as safely and people

1363
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:45,200
were more injured.

1364
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:56,960
If you say to people, we're doing this in Arenda, we're doing this in Maraga, San Francisco is doing it, Oakland is doing it, soon other cities are doing it in the state and everyone is safer as a result.

1365
02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:57,700
Thank you.

1366
02:07:58,340 --> 02:08:00,000
Julie, thank you for your comments.

1367
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:00,640
Thank you.

1368
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:03,180
And Elena will be followed by Allison Anderman.

1369
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:10,040
Hello, my name is Elena Ayers and I'm an Arenda resident.

1370
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:15,660
I'm also a member of Safe Arenda, which is a group of over 250 Arenda residents.

1371
02:08:15,660 --> 02:08:22,660
I would like to thank the city staff for preparing an informative report in preparation for tonight's discussion

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The staff report presents four options for consideration by city council

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02:08:28,100 --> 02:08:34,600
We request that the city council direct the staff to proceed with options two and three as outlined in the report

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02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:40,900
Drafting a safe storage ordinance and a dealership regulation ordinance that work for the city of Arundah

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02:08:40,900 --> 02:08:43,220
We are not requesting option four

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02:08:43,220 --> 02:08:49,900
The city staff report identifies some concerns regarding drafting and enacting these two ordinances.

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02:08:50,300 --> 02:08:59,260
We respectfully request that the city council consider the points being made tonight by our members and supporters as these concerns are addressed.

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02:08:59,260 --> 02:09:16,260
In November 2016, over 74% of voters across Orinda voted in favor of Proposition 63, the comprehensive statewide gun violence prevention legislation that regulates ammunition sales and bans large capacity magazines.

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02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:20,840
The majority of Orindans support common sense gun safety measures.

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City Council we request that you please take the next step in directing the city attorney to draft the safe storage and dealership ordinances. Thank you.

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02:09:30,820 --> 02:09:37,440
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your comments and Allison will be followed by Lisa or takes.

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02:09:39,500 --> 02:09:45,700
Good evening. I'm Allison Anderman, a Maraga resident and managing attorney at Giffords Law Center to prevent gun violence.

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02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:51,460
I'm here to speak in support of safe storage that ensures that miners, burglars, and others

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02:09:51,460 --> 02:09:57,860
are unable to access unattended guns and an ordinance to regulate gun dealers who wish to sell guns

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02:09:57,860 --> 02:10:02,140
in your community, either from their tucked away homes or commercial storefronts.

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02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:07,460
Despite claims by the gun lobby, safe storage ordinances do not violate the Second Amendment

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02:10:07,460 --> 02:10:12,360
because they do not prevent gun owners from keeping accessible loaded guns for self-defense.

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02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:18,820
They only prohibit owners from leaving guns unattended where they can fall into the hands of unauthorized users

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02:10:18,820 --> 02:10:23,660
such as the homicidal 20-year-old who took his mother's guns and used them to kill her,

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02:10:24,260 --> 02:10:27,220
21st graders, and six educators in Newtown, Connecticut.

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02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:31,000
The former Stockton mayor also left his guns unsecured.

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They were stolen and used to kill a 13-year-old boy in front of his father.

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02:10:35,580 --> 02:10:40,160
All of the courts that have reviewed safe storage laws have found them to be consistent with the Second Amendment.

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02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:44,520
San Francisco was the first jurisdiction in California to enact safe storage.

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02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,840
The gun lobby sued the city, lost in the trial court, lost in the Ninth Circuit,

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and the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

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02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,820
After San Francisco enacted its law, nine other jurisdictions in California have enacted

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02:10:55,820 --> 02:10:58,760
safe storage laws, and none have been sued.

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Maraga, not sued, was also worried by a gun lobby lawsuit.

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So Giverts Law Center secured Ferella Braun and Martell,

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a prestigious litigation firm to defend the town pro bono,

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02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:12,280
we pledge the same support to Arenda.

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02:11:12,740 --> 02:11:15,380
Ordinances that regulate dealers are also constitutional

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and in effect around the country.

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02:11:17,220 --> 02:11:19,240
Although the gun lobby has challenged a few of these

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02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:22,040
ordinances, the cases were highly faxed specific

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and Arenda's unlikely to find itself

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in the similar circumstances.

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02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:28,840
Because there are numerous examples of both ordinances

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02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,180
in California and Giffords Law Center is happy

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02:11:31,180 --> 02:11:34,060
to provide free drafting assistance as we have

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with countless other local, state and federal laws,

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02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:43,420
The city is unlikely to incur significant expenses in drafting if it utilizes those resources, almost finished.

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The bigger cost of the city will come if it fails to take modest reasonable steps to prevent the types of foreseeable gun tragedies that are all too common in the United States today.

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And I would be happy to answer any questions about these if I have more than two minutes, and I'd be very happy to work with the city attorney.

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02:12:00,360 --> 02:12:01,060
Thank you very much.

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02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:01,780
Great, Alison.

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Thank you very much for your comments.

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02:12:03,380 --> 02:12:09,320
and Lisa will be followed by Ryan Pedroni.

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02:12:14,060 --> 02:12:15,360
My name's Lisa Ozaida.

1421
02:12:15,820 --> 02:12:16,320
Thank you.

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02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:18,200
I assume it's me.

1423
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,480
So I have four kids, three of whom are in the Arenda Schools.

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02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:25,580
I'm sorry, Lisa, would you mind starting together with a little noise?

1425
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:26,040
Of course.

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02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:26,800
Thank you.

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02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:28,740
My name is Lisa Ozaida.

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02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,720
I have four kids, three of whom are in the Arenda Schools.

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02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:36,420
And I support both gun ordinances that are before you today.

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02:12:36,420 --> 02:12:40,140
As discussed, California does have a safe storage law.

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02:12:40,940 --> 02:12:45,700
However, it doesn't go far enough, and it shouldn't be a reason for an action by this council.

1432
02:12:46,740 --> 02:12:56,020
The California law does require that gun owners keep any loaded firearm in a place that he or she reasonably believes would prevent a child from accessing it.

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02:12:56,380 --> 02:13:01,740
However, it's unclear what that means, and the statute does not provide sufficient instruction or protection.

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02:13:01,740 --> 02:13:06,900
at least 10 communities in California, including San Francisco, Oakland, and

1435
02:13:06,900 --> 02:13:11,100
Maraga have determined that California law does not go far enough and have passed

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02:13:11,100 --> 02:13:16,980
safe storage ordinances like the one that is before you today. This is a

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02:13:16,980 --> 02:13:21,480
measure that is properly subject to local control and is not preempted by the

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02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:26,240
state. I request that this City Council follow the lead of our neighboring

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02:13:26,240 --> 02:13:30,720
cities and to take all the reasonable measures necessary to pass a safe

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02:13:30,720 --> 02:13:34,920
storage ordinance in Arenda. Thank you. Thank you very much Lisa for your comments

1441
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:42,380
and Ryan and you'll be followed by Stacy Krinks. Thank you Mayor and City

1442
02:13:42,380 --> 02:13:46,500
Council members. My name is Ryan Pugneroni and I'm a resident of Arenda

1443
02:13:46,500 --> 02:13:50,160
and father of three young children and one on the way. While growing up in

1444
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:54,360
Oakland I lost too many friends and classmates to gun violence. A concern

1445
02:13:54,360 --> 02:13:59,020
I'd like to address is one heard from gun owners who want to get to get

1446
02:13:59,020 --> 02:14:01,920
their guns quickly for self-defense in the event of a home invasion.

1447
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:05,780
Safe storage does not prevent quick access to guns.

1448
02:14:06,700 --> 02:14:09,520
A safe storage ordinance only regulates unattended guns.

1449
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:13,260
It would not prevent a gun owner from carrying a loaded gun in their home.

1450
02:14:14,100 --> 02:14:18,140
Portable lock boxes with simplex or biometric locks store handguns

1451
02:14:18,140 --> 02:14:22,640
so that they can be with an easy reach on counters, tables, or nightstands,

1452
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:25,000
often more quickly accessed than guns hidden away.

1453
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:30,520
Users of simplex locks report that they can retrieve a loaded weapon in just two to three seconds.

1454
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:37,000
A publication of the NRA describes this type of lockbox as providing a good combination of security and quick access.

1455
02:14:37,860 --> 02:14:41,420
Biometric lockboxes provide immediate access with the owner's fingerprint.

1456
02:14:42,580 --> 02:14:49,560
Further, in 2014, the NRA sued the city and county of San Francisco claiming its safe storage law,

1457
02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:55,620
which required handguns kept in a residence to be stored in a locked container or disabled with a trigger lock

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02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:57,700
when not carried, violated the Second Amendment.

1459
02:14:58,400 --> 02:14:59,740
The Ninth Circuit Court...

1460
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,260
Court of Appeal affirmed the district court's ruling, deciding that the law did not significantly

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02:15:05,260 --> 02:15:10,800
burden the right to possess a handgun in the home for self-defense because guns stored safely

1462
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:14,980
can be accessed in a manner of seconds, and there was a significant government interest

1463
02:15:14,980 --> 02:15:22,080
in reducing gun-related injuries and deaths resulting from unlocked handguns in the home.

1464
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:22,960
Thank you.

1465
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:23,840
Thank you.

1466
02:15:24,380 --> 02:15:25,700
Ryan, thank you for your comments.

1467
02:15:26,160 --> 02:15:28,900
And Stacey, welcome, and you'll be followed by Chris Neal.

1468
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:32,940
Thank you. I'm Stacey Krinks, and I am an arena resident.

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02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:36,880
I did grow up in Southern California, and my dad was a fire chief.

1470
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:41,160
Very safety-minded. He drove us around all the time in the back of his pickup truck,

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02:15:41,300 --> 02:15:44,920
my little sister and me. My mom was a kindergarten teacher,

1472
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:49,380
also very safety-minded. We rolled around in the back of her station wagon playing Barbies

1473
02:15:49,380 --> 02:15:53,000
on long, hard journeys. I'm sure my parents were aware

1474
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:57,920
that it was probably safer to put us in car seats or were seatbelts, but it wasn't the

1475
02:15:57,920 --> 02:15:59,700
law and so we didn't do it.

1476
02:16:00,460 --> 02:16:05,380
I'm actually really excited to be standing here and alive because a lot of kids died

1477
02:16:05,380 --> 02:16:07,220
in car accidents in the 70s.

1478
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:13,220
So many that we started passing car seat laws and many people have mentioned that it's

1479
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:14,280
similar to this issue.

1480
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:19,680
It took a long time for the United States to pass car seat laws in all 50 states.

1481
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:24,620
it was years and there were people that said that seatbelts and car seats were

1482
02:16:24,620 --> 02:16:29,120
an infringement of personal freedom or that they could never be enforced and

1483
02:16:29,860 --> 02:16:35,520
yet the CDC today says that 15,000 lives are saved in this country each year

1484
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:41,040
because of restraint laws. When we have a public health epidemic in this

1485
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:46,920
country we want to change behavior we pass laws we don't just educate.

1486
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:51,700
Education alone is not enough, Mr. Solomon.

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02:16:52,540 --> 02:17:04,080
As much as I appreciate that the Arenda police and Chief Nangle are available to show people who raise their hands by the way and ask for help, which I wouldn't argue is perhaps the natiest folks in our community.

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02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:08,940
Option one is not enough. We need to pass laws and then educate.

1489
02:17:09,980 --> 02:17:13,080
There will always be people who choose to not wear seatbelts.

1490
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:18,700
I choose life for myself, for my three daughters, for my city.

1491
02:17:19,800 --> 02:17:27,580
If we can prevent one accidental gun death, any investment we would make in research and drafting these ordinances would be well worth it.

1492
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:30,980
We are the beginning of the wave, as many have mentioned.

1493
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:41,000
Many communities who have far fewer resources and far greater need than Arenda would follow us and we can together change behavior and save lives.

1494
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:44,840
Please, I urge you to draft these ordinances.

1495
02:17:45,220 --> 02:17:45,600
Thank you.

1496
02:17:45,820 --> 02:17:46,160
Great.

1497
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:47,860
Sissy, thank you for your comments.

1498
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:50,700
Chris will be followed by Dan de Beshear.

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02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:01,760
Good evening, council members.

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02:18:01,940 --> 02:18:02,660
Chris Neal here.

1501
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:12,880
As the, our city manager said earlier, this is an extremely complicated, complex project

1502
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:14,940
and it's very, very emotional.

1503
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:23,300
I know people that have been through some kind of a tragedy, like some have discussed today.

1504
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:29,280
You know, they want to fix it. I mean, we can't have this again, and I certainly understand that.

1505
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:40,380
So, I also understand with some reasonable familiarity with the subject, there's no fast, quick answers.

1506
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:46,800
I agree with what the person just said, that education alone is not enough.

1507
02:18:47,580 --> 02:18:51,140
But I think education is a really good starting point.

1508
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,660
And I think there's an awful lot of commentary going on right now with people that frankly

1509
02:18:58,660 --> 02:19:01,900
don't have a clue about what they're talking about.

1510
02:19:03,100 --> 02:19:10,360
Some people don't even have any idea what the rights are in the Constitution, the

1511
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:12,780
You know, I respect our Constitution.

1512
02:19:13,380 --> 02:19:15,260
I respect the Bill of Rights.

1513
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:19,140
And we've got to work within that and solve the problem.

1514
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:21,720
I'm all for gun safety.

1515
02:19:22,060 --> 02:19:25,200
I'm all for, you know, boxes that help,

1516
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,560
that don't interfere with access to the guns.

1517
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:32,260
But what we've done so far in Maraga,

1518
02:19:32,460 --> 02:19:36,220
and I have in front of me here the amended approved

1519
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:38,780
by Maraga.

1520
02:19:38,780 --> 02:19:46,980
And I wish some of the people in the audience would read it because some of the comments that I've heard they haven't even read it

1521
02:19:47,740 --> 02:19:57,160
And it's this is section 2 chapter 9.12 added to title 9 of the municipal code of Maraga

1522
02:19:57,780 --> 02:20:01,020
And it's actually section 451 on your packet

1523
02:20:01,860 --> 02:20:04,540
And can I have another minute or two please?

1524
02:20:04,980 --> 02:20:06,240
If you just want to wrap up

1525
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:14,540
Okay, so in this page, it has what the definitions are for homes.

1526
02:20:14,780 --> 02:20:20,140
Now, you'll be surprised that a parked car with a person in it is a home.

1527
02:20:20,700 --> 02:20:24,520
If he's, you know, if he's living out of his home, that's considered a home.

1528
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:27,740
That's his residence. Residence is the word.

1529
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:31,780
Okay, there's all kinds of other things here. Motels, hotels, whatever.

1530
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:33,580
That can be a residence.

1531
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:44,560
Okay, now the regulation of firearm storage, 9.12.020, says no person shall keep any firearm

1532
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:51,120
within a residence, residence as defined above, owned or controlled by that person unless

1533
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:57,120
the firearm is stored in a lockable container or is disabled with a gun lock, and by the

1534
02:20:57,120 --> 02:21:00,720
way anyone that's bought a gun in the last 15 years knows you have to have a gun lock

1535
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:05,040
and that comes with a gun, that has been approved by the California Department

1536
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:10,460
of Justice, period. That is the regulation. That's what it is.

1537
02:21:10,980 --> 02:21:17,780
Now, okay, that's fine, but underneath that, okay, sorry, underneath that it says,

1538
02:21:17,860 --> 02:21:23,640
exceptions to firearm storage regulation. The firearm storage regulation set forth

1539
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:27,900
in this chapter shall not apply in the following circumstances.

1540
02:21:27,900 --> 02:21:34,980
The firearm is carried on the person, or is in the immediate control of the individual.

1541
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:36,240
All right?

1542
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:39,380
That's the law that you've passed in Maraga.

1543
02:21:40,020 --> 02:21:40,260
All right?

1544
02:21:40,920 --> 02:21:44,540
So everyone's saying, well, we agree with it.

1545
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:46,000
Well, that's what you're agreeing with.

1546
02:21:46,180 --> 02:21:46,320
Thank you.

1547
02:21:46,660 --> 02:21:53,900
And you're also, there's nothing in this law that is new that has not been preempted

1548
02:21:54,460 --> 02:21:56,320
by state law.

1549
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:57,020
Okay?

1550
02:21:57,020 --> 02:21:59,520
And this subject has been worked to death.

1551
02:22:00,360 --> 02:22:05,100
My last point is, please get yourself educated.

1552
02:22:05,480 --> 02:22:06,380
Study this stuff.

1553
02:22:06,660 --> 02:22:07,680
We're all wanted solutions.

1554
02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:09,100
We all want a safe neighborhood.

1555
02:22:09,860 --> 02:22:11,320
Education isn't very important.

1556
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:12,000
Thank you.

1557
02:22:12,260 --> 02:22:12,880
Chris, thank you.

1558
02:22:13,020 --> 02:22:14,120
Thank you for your comments.

1559
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:16,120
And now, Dan de Beshear.

1560
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,840
Thank you, Mayor Worth, the council.

1561
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:21,200
My name is Dan de Beshear.

1562
02:22:21,940 --> 02:22:23,780
I wrote a note to the council that's covered

1563
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:25,720
on the yellow sheets, page 21.

1564
02:22:27,740 --> 02:22:30,980
A lot of moms here are concerned about the safety of their kids.

1565
02:22:31,220 --> 02:22:36,860
I'm a dad too, a granddad, and I'm concerned about the safety of kids, my kids particularly.

1566
02:22:37,700 --> 02:22:41,100
And all I can say is if you have guns at home, you better keep them secured

1567
02:22:41,100 --> 02:22:46,180
and out of touch of any kids, either your own or those that come into the house.

1568
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:49,680
That's gun safety sense.

1569
02:22:50,300 --> 02:22:55,040
Okay, now, the issue is nobody disagrees with the objective of all the speakers

1570
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:58,680
and so forth, or most all of them, the issues, how do we get here?

1571
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:03,560
And let me go through a couple of practical things for the audience that the council has to consider.

1572
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:10,000
Whether you like it or not, the gun ownership is a protected class of citizens.

1573
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:15,380
It's not like a seat belt. Gun ownership is protected by the Constitution.

1574
02:23:16,300 --> 02:23:21,480
Okay, now if you write an ordinance and you put burdens on that right of ownership,

1575
02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:23,860
or whatever the Constitution occurs,

1576
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:28,240
then you may be in violation of that constitutional right or class.

1577
02:23:28,940 --> 02:23:33,120
What the city has to be concerned about is if we write an ordinance,

1578
02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:37,340
it's got to be something material, it's got to really do something.

1579
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:40,840
Is it something that we can't do by education?

1580
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:45,320
Because if we do write the ordinance and we are dealing with a protected class,

1581
02:23:45,580 --> 02:23:49,300
then there's a potential of liability, financial liability.

1582
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:56,560
Let's say a person couldn't access his firearm in a timely manner in a home invasion and

1583
02:23:56,560 --> 02:24:02,000
as a result was seriously injured or fatality as a result of that.

1584
02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:08,360
That could be construed as the city placed a burden on that homeowner in defense of his

1585
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:09,540
house and he could sue.

1586
02:24:10,100 --> 02:24:11,320
It's a federal suit.

1587
02:24:11,660 --> 02:24:15,000
Whether the suit has any merit or not, the city's got to face the suit.

1588
02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:21,860
Every night the city or every council meeting, the city meets an hour ahead to listen to lawsuits.

1589
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:27,780
So the issue here is whether or not we're going to put a law on the books that has any material meeting

1590
02:24:27,780 --> 02:24:33,580
that's going to keep the council out of hot water in the city out of hot water from a financial standpoint.

1591
02:24:33,980 --> 02:24:35,080
That's my point. Thank you.

1592
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:36,940
Dan, thank you. Thank you for your comments.

1593
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:38,920
Linda C. Welcome.

1594
02:24:39,700 --> 02:24:41,920
And Linda will be followed by Stuart House.

1595
02:24:47,540 --> 02:24:48,000
Good evening.

1596
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:58,300
I'm a 19-year resident of Arenda, and I'm here because I would like Arenda children to be a protected class, so sorry, I can't help myself.

1597
02:25:00,620 --> 02:25:08,400
So I think most of us here are discussing this issue because we want to feel safe, but we may differ on how to get there.

1598
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:17,460
I'm here to express my desire that the City Council pass the proposed safe storage and gun dealer regulations.

1599
02:25:18,380 --> 02:25:28,100
If we choose not to pursue what can be done here to promote safe storage, how will we feel if some troubled youth, for example,

1600
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:37,420
manages to get their hands on an improperly stored weapon and God forbid does harm, potential enormous harm to our community?

1601
02:25:37,420 --> 02:25:44,320
are we really willing to hide behind the statement that it's just too hard to

1602
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:52,420
proceed even though our Lamarinda neighbors are getting it done we feel I

1603
02:25:52,420 --> 02:25:58,220
feel that our city can benefit from the example that our neighbors in Lamarinda

1604
02:25:58,220 --> 02:26:03,600
have provided for us and then regarding the dealer regulations yet yes it is

1605
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:10,300
true, I hope, that there is no current proposal to start selling firearms here, but as a few

1606
02:26:10,300 --> 02:26:18,200
others have commented that for that potential small business person now is the perfect time

1607
02:26:18,200 --> 02:26:25,020
to address the issue before a gun dealer may have invested any time or money in the effort.

1608
02:26:25,580 --> 02:26:30,240
And I think that I speak for the majority of the rendens that we do not want to become

1609
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:35,420
notorious is that little town that people go to to buy guns. I think most of us

1610
02:26:35,420 --> 02:26:40,980
can agree we would be preferred to be known as the town with a safe

1611
02:26:40,980 --> 02:26:45,600
environment and terrific schools. Thank you for your consideration. Linda, thank

1612
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:49,840
you very much for your comments and you'll be following

1613
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:54,520
Stuart House will be our final speaker so if anybody else would like to

1614
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:58,520
speak on this topic please come bring forward a yellow slip. The Stuart

1615
02:26:58,520 --> 02:27:00,320
You'll be followed by Corey Hunt.

1616
02:27:01,420 --> 02:27:01,900
Welcome.

1617
02:27:02,320 --> 02:27:02,720
Thank you.

1618
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:09,720
Honorable counsel and our city manager and Chief Nagel.

1619
02:27:10,780 --> 02:27:12,340
People I've all worked with.

1620
02:27:13,060 --> 02:27:15,360
I work for the Arundah Union School District,

1621
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:19,500
but I'm here today as a citizen of 14 years in Arundah.

1622
02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:24,620
And I wanted to address one aspect of this.

1623
02:27:24,900 --> 02:27:26,880
All my sentiments have already been expressed

1624
02:27:26,880 --> 02:27:32,500
by those who support the two ordinances, so I don't need to repeat what everyone has said.

1625
02:27:33,320 --> 02:27:40,940
I wanted to address one small aspect of those who oppose it, which is that it is unenforceable.

1626
02:27:42,780 --> 02:27:49,220
And I did a little Google research here and found there was a study done in the year

1627
02:27:49,220 --> 02:27:52,420
2000 that looked up, why do people obey laws?

1628
02:27:54,480 --> 02:28:09,120
And the answer, according to Smith and Markey, social psychologists, was that, you know, there's a large number of people who obey laws because they respect the law.

1629
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:25,880
So the seat belt example is a pretty good one, but there's another group of people who are nudged by the fact that they may be fine or there's some consequence to not obeying it.

1630
02:28:26,220 --> 02:28:33,820
And there's a significant number of people who respond to what they term as an activated social norm.

1631
02:28:33,820 --> 02:28:43,260
So, in the case of horrendous, most horrendous are law abiding, with the possible exception

1632
02:28:43,260 --> 02:28:48,360
of those speeders and people who run stop signs.

1633
02:28:48,520 --> 02:28:52,860
But for the most part, citizens in horrendous are law abiding.

1634
02:28:53,560 --> 02:29:02,260
So these social psychologists have said that if laws are enacted that people will be

1635
02:29:02,260 --> 02:29:07,700
motivated to follow the law based on the social norm.

1636
02:29:08,300 --> 02:29:08,340
Great.

1637
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:09,720
Stuart, thank you.

1638
02:29:09,900 --> 02:29:10,980
Thank you for your comments.

1639
02:29:11,260 --> 02:29:11,380
Corey?

1640
02:29:13,180 --> 02:29:13,920
Corey Hunt.

1641
02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:15,340
Welcome.

1642
02:29:16,480 --> 02:29:18,360
Hello, Mayor and council members.

1643
02:29:19,940 --> 02:29:24,440
My name is Corey Hunt and I've lived here on an office since 1974.

1644
02:29:25,340 --> 02:29:29,120
I grew up and then came back for 14 years.

1645
02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:39,020
so I support these ordinances and any any preventions of gun violence. I am having

1646
02:29:39,020 --> 02:29:44,700
survived being held hostage at Cal all night and watching friends shot and

1647
02:29:44,700 --> 02:29:51,260
killed by a schizophrenic man with many guns. I can't believe how that horrifying

1648
02:29:51,260 --> 02:29:57,740
experience has become commonplace. It is our duty to protect our children as much

1649
02:29:57,740 --> 02:29:58,400
as possible.

1650
02:30:00,530 --> 02:30:11,430
According to the Giffords Law Center, the impact of gun violence on kids is staggering, since Columbine alone more than 150,000 minors have been shot in the United States.

1651
02:30:12,210 --> 02:30:19,850
Additionally, 150,000 students in at least 170 elementary, middle, and high school have experienced school shootings.

1652
02:30:20,910 --> 02:30:27,330
Nearly 60% of all high school students report fear of mass shooting at their school or in their community.

1653
02:30:28,130 --> 02:30:33,510
nearly 40 percent of children exposed to a shooting will develop post-traumatic stress disorder.

1654
02:30:34,430 --> 02:30:39,130
Guns are now the third leading cause of death for all Americans under age 18.

1655
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:45,730
Please, City Council, move forward in drafting these two.

1656
02:30:46,190 --> 02:30:47,910
Thank you.

1657
02:30:48,310 --> 02:30:50,470
Thank you, Corey. Thank you for being here tonight.

1658
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:53,190
And I want to thank everyone for your comments tonight.

1659
02:30:53,190 --> 02:30:58,270
Are there any other people here tonight that would like to speak on this item?

1660
02:30:59,590 --> 02:31:08,010
If not, then I'll close the public comment period and bring it back to the council for discussion and any direction to staff.

1661
02:31:14,900 --> 02:31:16,300
Who would like to begin?

1662
02:31:16,780 --> 02:31:18,840
Do we have any further follow-up from staff?

1663
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:19,660
Yeah.

1664
02:31:20,540 --> 02:31:23,720
Are there any follow-up questions?

1665
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:28,000
I've got a couple, so you go ahead if you want to lead on.

1666
02:31:29,100 --> 02:31:39,720
I was more just in general, wasn't sure if staff had any follow-up after hearing public comment, but if none.

1667
02:31:40,760 --> 02:31:47,600
The one question that I would be curious to know, you don't have the answer now, Chief Nagle,

1668
02:31:47,900 --> 02:31:54,280
maybe something that we could get at a future meeting which is just, you know, we contract with the county

1669
02:31:54,280 --> 02:32:00,120
and we don't have our own police services, you work for us, Vice-Fersa.

1670
02:32:02,180 --> 02:32:08,440
I would be curious to know an opinion from the county on how they see this,

1671
02:32:09,320 --> 02:32:15,760
both as it commingles or meshes with state law,

1672
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:22,080
but also just more general high-level opining on efficacy

1673
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:30,740
see and use of this ordinance, obviously while Maraga does not contract with you, but how

1674
02:32:30,740 --> 02:32:37,260
you would see this meshing them within our other ordinances and, you know, I'm certainly

1675
02:32:37,260 --> 02:32:46,280
not an expert on gun safety nor am I on how this could be, how this would be overseen.

1676
02:32:46,400 --> 02:32:51,900
So I would be curious to get more information from the Sheriff's Department on how they

1677
02:32:51,900 --> 02:32:54,020
would see this ordinance being enacted?

1678
02:32:55,580 --> 02:32:56,720
Yes, you're right.

1679
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:57,740
This is not like Moraga.

1680
02:32:57,880 --> 02:32:59,980
We do contract with the Sheriff's Office.

1681
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:02,200
So it is complicated.

1682
02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:05,800
My concern are my officers.

1683
02:33:07,080 --> 02:33:10,380
We are represented and defended by county council,

1684
02:33:10,880 --> 02:33:11,940
the Sheriff's Office, the county.

1685
02:33:13,360 --> 02:33:16,240
When we follow federal law, state law, and department

1686
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:22,220
government policy we are defended and protected against violations.

1687
02:33:23,380 --> 02:33:28,720
There is an argument that's been made that we've read that this is a violation of the Constitution.

1688
02:33:29,460 --> 02:33:33,980
I can't put my officers in that position for they're not defended.

1689
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:37,640
They're subject to civil penalties.

1690
02:33:38,620 --> 02:33:43,160
So there are a lot of questions that need to be answered going forward.

1691
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:48,780
And are any of the other contract cities or Contra Castle County and other

1692
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:54,340
Incorporated areas where the Sheriff's Department has jurisdiction. Do any of the others have safe

1693
02:33:55,120 --> 02:34:01,120
storage ordinances? No, and I've brought this up in my manager's meetings that I have with the Sheriff's office

1694
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:09,060
Just at the surface level that this is coming and no no one has done this. So again, I'm not exactly sure where this

1695
02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:19,300
But that would be an important part of this information that I would certainly want to see before we move too further far forward with this.

1696
02:34:20,820 --> 02:34:21,260
Okay.

1697
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:22,040
All right.

1698
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:22,400
Thank you.

1699
02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:22,620
Yep.

1700
02:34:23,220 --> 02:34:26,020
Councilmember G. Can I ask a follow up question to that chief?

1701
02:34:26,280 --> 02:34:26,560
Of course.

1702
02:34:26,840 --> 02:34:36,660
When you say that I understand what you said you're represented by council that as long as you're within all of the laws of all of those jurisdictions you're protected by them.

1703
02:34:36,660 --> 02:34:42,280
So is what you're saying is that your concern would be enforcing this ordinance?

1704
02:34:43,340 --> 02:34:46,380
I'm concerned that it would be interpreted as a

1705
02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:49,920
violation of someone's constitutional rights

1706
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:59,600
Okay, so I second amendment. Yeah, I understand what you're saying there in terms of the city. I guess I'm

1707
02:35:00,300 --> 02:35:05,580
And the action is the officers. So that's a question. I have is what's the expectation of

1708
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:08,560
of us and going forward

1709
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:15,200
What do you want us to do? How far are we investigating? Are we asking questions?

1710
02:35:15,780 --> 02:35:15,980
Okay.

1711
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:19,400
So it's questions that would have to be answered?

1712
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:19,520
Yes.

1713
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:20,760
Vice

1714
02:35:24,730 --> 02:35:25,670
Mayor Miller, anything?

1715
02:35:26,090 --> 02:35:28,880
I just have a question that was asked.

1716
02:35:31,810 --> 02:35:32,890
I can keep going if you'd like.

1717
02:35:33,050 --> 02:35:33,190
Sure.

1718
02:35:33,650 --> 02:35:34,090
Please do.

1719
02:35:35,290 --> 02:35:40,030
Changing subjects slightly to the gun sales.

1720
02:35:41,330 --> 02:35:43,910
This one may be directed to our city manager or city attorney.

1721
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:47,790
I mean, can you talk a little bit about the difference

1722
02:35:47,790 --> 02:35:49,930
of the two pieces that we saw in our packet?

1723
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:52,930
So the original piece in the staff report,

1724
02:35:53,370 --> 02:35:55,930
I read it's really a zoning ordinance

1725
02:35:55,930 --> 02:35:58,830
where a gun sales critter cannot be located,

1726
02:35:59,670 --> 02:36:03,190
much like where a multi-family housing or a school,

1727
02:36:03,650 --> 02:36:05,010
it's all, it's a zoning question.

1728
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:07,050
And then the piece that's in the yellow

1729
02:36:07,930 --> 02:36:10,530
that came is really about permit issuance,

1730
02:36:10,530 --> 02:36:15,930
or almost again, I would say, and this is going to be too thin of a word,

1731
02:36:16,090 --> 02:36:17,550
but almost akin to a business license.

1732
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:22,190
If you meet a certain set of requirements, you can be provided with a permit to sell firearms.

1733
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:27,350
I think I'm reading that correctly, but can you just talk about the, again,

1734
02:36:27,630 --> 02:36:30,190
the two and then how those play for one another?

1735
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:38,640
And maybe it's possible, you guys, I know this is the first time we're talking

1736
02:36:38,640 --> 02:36:41,000
about this tonight, so you also can say, we don't know.

1737
02:36:41,180 --> 02:36:42,720
We included them for information only.

1738
02:36:43,340 --> 02:36:58,580
But I, so those seem like two specifically different things and so I would be curious to know, one, how they overlap and two, if they can be broken apart or if you would have an opinion of whether or not, you know, one should be done over the other or, or it's required that you would do both.

1739
02:37:00,700 --> 02:37:11,520
I have not spent a lot of time studying Lafayette's ordinance. I know that it dates to the 90s. I know that there was litigation. I saw that a piece was then deleted following the litigation.

1740
02:37:12,960 --> 02:37:16,940
And I understand that there was a change in state law, so I know that the Lafayette situation

1741
02:37:16,940 --> 02:37:22,380
is quite complicated and that it will take some study to figure out if the council wants

1742
02:37:22,380 --> 02:37:26,840
to follow Lafayette lead, what exactly does that entail?

1743
02:37:28,420 --> 02:37:34,340
So I guess part of my answer is I need more time to be able to answer, but I think at

1744
02:37:34,340 --> 02:37:39,260
a very high level, I think you have properly read what Lafayette has on its books.

1745
02:37:39,260 --> 02:37:45,180
it has elements of zoning and then sort of even in a separate section of the code

1746
02:37:45,180 --> 02:37:48,040
has this police chief issued permit.

1747
02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:54,220
And so one is a permit to be able to do it

1748
02:37:54,220 --> 02:37:59,520
right that would be what was in our yellow but as a piece of that it's that

1749
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:04,420
you're doing it within I think if I was reading it correctly in order to

1750
02:38:04,420 --> 02:38:09,000
establish the permit or the permission to do it and to issue this permit it

1751
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:10,800
has to be in an area which it's zoned

1752
02:38:11,300 --> 02:38:12,940
per the other zoning regulations.

1753
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:14,160
So they tie together.

1754
02:38:14,980 --> 02:38:17,500
Could the, I think I know the answer to this,

1755
02:38:17,720 --> 02:38:20,460
but could one be, they could be done

1756
02:38:20,460 --> 02:38:21,700
with one without the other, right?

1757
02:38:21,780 --> 02:38:24,280
It doesn't have to have a zoning piece tied to it.

1758
02:38:24,300 --> 02:38:27,040
It could purely be a police issued permit

1759
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:29,100
and you could remove language about zoning.

1760
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:32,380
I think through careful drafting,

1761
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:33,940
I think that that's probably the case.

1762
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:35,640
Okay.

1763
02:38:37,880 --> 02:38:43,980
Any other questions for this point? Okay. Vice Miller.

1764
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,840
Okay. So I wanted to follow up on a

1765
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:49,460
couple of things.

1766
02:38:51,700 --> 02:38:55,980
One of the speakers mentioned that obviously San Francisco was engaged in

1767
02:38:55,980 --> 02:39:00,520
litigation and you know this is one of the real things that the city of Arenda would face is

1768
02:39:00,520 --> 02:39:06,180
that we have subtle resources, unlike City and County of San Francisco have full legal

1769
02:39:06,180 --> 02:39:10,800
departments and it is a challenge for any small community.

1770
02:39:11,180 --> 02:39:16,000
So any decision we make, we do it very carefully in terms of recognizing that we have limited

1771
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:16,580
resources.

1772
02:39:17,560 --> 02:39:23,540
You mentioned that, you know, one of the speakers was provided some helpful information

1773
02:39:23,540 --> 02:39:27,540
in terms of the history of the San Francisco litigation, where that is.

1774
02:39:27,540 --> 02:39:34,700
And I guess, and then following that 10 other cities I guess in California have adopted the gun storage ordinance

1775
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:42,820
Would it be possible to get I noticed in reading the materials that the city of Tiberon or the town of Tiberon has a gun storage?

1776
02:39:43,860 --> 02:39:44,880
Ordinance and

1777
02:39:45,620 --> 02:39:49,840
Would it be possible to get the information as to what other cities?

1778
02:39:51,480 --> 02:39:54,620
Had those local gun ordinances and

1779
02:39:54,620 --> 02:40:01,500
And to try to understand if there are nuances of them, you know, that would be, you know,

1780
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:06,760
helpful for us to understand in terms of any kind of ordinance that we might pursue.

1781
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:10,000
Absolutely. We could gather that information and bring it back.

1782
02:40:10,500 --> 02:40:13,900
Okay. Okay. Yeah, go ahead.

1783
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:19,300
Well, just hanging on to that, I mean, what was striking me was I would just be interested beyond that

1784
02:40:19,300 --> 02:40:25,520
specific one just to know the list of the other nine where they have been adopted.

1785
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:27,420
I'd like to know where those other communities are.

1786
02:40:27,560 --> 02:40:27,840
Right.

1787
02:40:28,480 --> 02:40:28,640
Right.

1788
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:32,740
I believe we might be able to get that this evening because I was able to acquire that

1789
02:40:32,740 --> 02:40:33,760
from the conference law center.

1790
02:40:33,960 --> 02:40:39,160
You know what, actually, I think if we have staff, have several things.

1791
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:43,900
One is to have the names of the cities but also the language of the ordinances so

1792
02:40:43,900 --> 02:40:54,860
So that our staff can look through them and see because obviously we've seen the Maraga ordinance, we've seen the Maraga comments.

1793
02:40:56,700 --> 02:41:04,120
One of the other challenges, and I guess to recognize that this has not been vetted by staff.

1794
02:41:04,320 --> 02:41:08,880
Normally, we would have an extensive staff report on analysis of the particular issue.

1795
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:15,660
Tonight, staff really put together materials and brought it to us for our review and we'll be replying back to staff.

1796
02:41:15,980 --> 02:41:32,120
But I guess on the issue of the registration, it seemed to me that in the issue of the Pleasant Hill case where they were in litigation and had to settle for a significant amount.

1797
02:41:32,120 --> 02:41:43,920
Now, is the issue about gun registration restrictions that it's not permissible for a municipality to effectively ban gun sales,

1798
02:41:44,140 --> 02:41:51,880
that there has to be a reasonable accommodation in terms of actually conducting the business so that the limitations you can't,

1799
02:41:51,880 --> 02:41:59,040
you know, have to be structured so that there actually is some place to have a gun dealership but that there can be limits.

1800
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:00,980
Can you just talk maybe generally about that?

1801
02:42:02,600 --> 02:42:04,600
This is like tobacco ordinances.

1802
02:42:05,320 --> 02:42:10,320
What I'm going to say now is what I learned from reading the Western Cities Magazine article

1803
02:42:10,320 --> 02:42:16,120
in this month's issue, which everybody I'm sure read it as well, it was legal notes

1804
02:42:16,120 --> 02:42:22,980
about what cities can do in terms of regulating from the zoning perspective.

1805
02:42:24,380 --> 02:42:30,500
My understanding is there is no case out there deciding that specific issue.

1806
02:42:30,500 --> 02:42:33,580
could you ban sales all together in your city?

1807
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:36,780
But the advice, as I understood,

1808
02:42:37,060 --> 02:42:39,040
it was that there is significant legal risk

1809
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:40,620
associated with a total ban.

1810
02:42:42,100 --> 02:42:45,740
So the question is, and what a total ban could be

1811
02:42:46,460 --> 02:42:49,160
either a total ban, just saying that there is no business

1812
02:42:49,160 --> 02:42:52,340
like this allowed, but the other challenge

1813
02:42:52,340 --> 02:42:58,420
with an ordinance say, you take an ordinance like Lafayette

1814
02:42:58,420 --> 02:43:00,940
where you have a much larger commercial district,

1815
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:03,840
you have much more, or even Pleasant Hill,

1816
02:43:04,020 --> 02:43:07,300
where there are a lot bigger industrial commercial spaces

1817
02:43:07,300 --> 02:43:10,380
where you could identify in a community like Arenda,

1818
02:43:10,660 --> 02:43:13,220
where you have parks and preschools

1819
02:43:13,220 --> 02:43:15,120
and residential neighborhoods and schools,

1820
02:43:15,620 --> 02:43:20,380
it becomes very challenging to fulfill the law,

1821
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:23,140
but still provide some kind of restrictions.

1822
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:24,520
I think what you're saying-

1823
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:26,200
Because the topography does not help.

1824
02:43:26,200 --> 02:43:34,180
You would need to do an analysis to make sure that you don't effectively produce a total ban through the application of, let's say,

1825
02:43:34,260 --> 02:43:40,960
radiuses around different kinds of uses. And we haven't done that analysis, but that is definitely something you'd want to do.

1826
02:43:41,540 --> 02:43:50,340
Okay, okay, okay. So I'm just trying to think, I'd really like to turn to staff, and again, this is the first time this has come

1827
02:43:50,340 --> 02:43:55,940
for the Council, so you have, this is the first opportunity, I guess the other issue

1828
02:43:55,940 --> 02:43:57,640
we've talked about, you know,

1829
02:43:59,660 --> 02:44:03,380
litigation risk with, you know, various types of ordinances,

1830
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:10,500
whether it's gun safety or other things, is it possible to kind of come back to us

1831
02:44:10,500 --> 02:44:17,560
with information about, you know, the, say, I mean, when I heard people talk this evening,

1832
02:44:17,560 --> 02:44:25,420
People talked about both ordinances, but if I, you know, looking at my notes and looking at where people really were speaking most passionately,

1833
02:44:25,500 --> 02:44:27,700
it was really about the home gun storage.

1834
02:44:28,620 --> 02:44:34,720
So I'm just wondering if it might be helpful to get more information about, from a legal standpoint,

1835
02:44:36,580 --> 02:44:46,080
what the kinds of protections that a local municipality would have in terms of looking at specifically the gun storage ordinances.

1836
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:49,260
I mean, it's interesting to see, for example, how technology has changed.

1837
02:44:49,460 --> 02:44:54,220
One of the speakers talked about the thumb activated like these, you know, phones we have

1838
02:44:54,220 --> 02:44:55,560
that are instantaneous.

1839
02:44:56,120 --> 02:44:59,940
So, you know, it would be helpful to get that information too.

1840
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,040
In terms of what kind of legal framework exists for that kind of ordinance?

1841
02:45:18,370 --> 02:45:22,950
I'll just add that we've obviously received a tremendous amount of correspondence on this item,

1842
02:45:23,210 --> 02:45:28,250
which we have both in our immediate packet as well as I'm sure we've all,

1843
02:45:28,550 --> 02:45:32,530
the stuff that's included in our staff packet and what we've received over the last couple of weeks.

1844
02:45:32,530 --> 02:45:43,330
and so that I think that the message that we've heard is clear and I don't think

1845
02:45:43,330 --> 02:45:51,360
anyone would not be for safer more I'll just say that safer environments for

1846
02:45:51,360 --> 02:45:56,040
for our children and for our community in general. I just want to make sure that

1847
02:45:56,040 --> 02:46:02,620
whatever it is that we do that we have a policy in place that is doesn't put

1848
02:46:02,620 --> 02:46:11,540
the city with an undue amount of risk whether that be through legal or financial both sides

1849
02:46:11,540 --> 02:46:17,200
of it and obviously the two often are tied together but then the second piece is that

1850
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:23,220
we have the if we were to go down this route that it's an ordinance that can be supported

1851
02:46:23,220 --> 02:46:28,220
not just by our community and even the council but our partnership with the sheriff's

1852
02:46:28,220 --> 02:46:35,940
I mean, I think this is a critical piece that it's made slightly more complicated here as

1853
02:46:35,940 --> 02:46:36,700
a contract city.

1854
02:46:37,360 --> 02:46:43,320
And so it's just obviously important to me that we have that sort of communication and

1855
02:46:43,320 --> 02:46:47,360
dialogue back with the Sheriff's Office that anything that we look at forward, I think

1856
02:46:47,360 --> 02:46:53,780
has to be well reviewed and accepted and adopted and appreciated and everyone has

1857
02:46:53,780 --> 02:46:56,140
to be on the same page about this, this can't be,

1858
02:46:57,420 --> 02:46:59,100
there's a lot of talk about whether or not

1859
02:46:59,100 --> 02:47:01,520
that this is effective, whether it can be enforced

1860
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:02,460
or if it's just,

1861
02:47:04,540 --> 02:47:06,360
I forget the word that was used,

1862
02:47:06,500 --> 02:47:08,640
I'm sorry, but if it was just used in principle,

1863
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:11,080
but regardless, we have to be able to have

1864
02:47:11,080 --> 02:47:12,720
our law enforcement stand behind it,

1865
02:47:13,580 --> 02:47:15,740
who's our kind of number one line of defense here,

1866
02:47:15,900 --> 02:47:19,620
so that sort of communication and conversation is important.

1867
02:47:22,320 --> 02:47:29,520
I don't know if I had some other notes and then passed the, again, safety part of this.

1868
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:36,680
Oh, and I think the other piece of that analysis also that would be helpful, also, or chief,

1869
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:43,280
would be some further clarification for me between the state ordinance, which I understand

1870
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:48,420
is different as a criminal piece versus legislation that we would write, but some more sort

1871
02:47:48,420 --> 02:47:53,340
of fine grain understanding of how the two would overlap or not and what's provided by

1872
02:47:53,340 --> 02:47:59,060
one that would not be provided by the other. I understand all the intention behind what's

1873
02:47:59,060 --> 02:48:03,080
been presented in front of us this evening and what was adopted in Maraga. I just want

1874
02:48:03,080 --> 02:48:09,180
to have a better understanding of how those two work together. Again, I don't think anyone

1875
02:48:09,180 --> 02:48:12,700
is not for a safer environment, a safer community. We just have to make sure that these

1876
02:48:12,700 --> 02:48:13,520
things work for everyone.

1877
02:48:17,940 --> 02:48:34,800
I think one of the things that follow up on council member or comments that would be very helpful would be of identifying the 10 cities that have passed this, which ones of them do any of them contract for police services, as opposed to have their own.

1878
02:48:35,500 --> 02:48:38,680
I think it would be important to have that piece of information.

1879
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:49,000
I would just like to recognize everybody being here tonight and it's very heartwarming sitting

1880
02:48:49,000 --> 02:48:55,140
up here and seeing so many of our neighbors show up on this issue that is obviously of

1881
02:48:55,140 --> 02:49:00,440
such great concern in our community hearing that eight children are killed every day in

1882
02:49:00,440 --> 02:49:02,820
the country due to gun violence.

1883
02:49:03,020 --> 02:49:07,940
It's obviously something that everybody cares about and wants to do and what I'm hearing

1884
02:49:07,940 --> 02:49:13,980
is we want to do that too in a way that we can do successfully.

1885
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:22,620
And I'm also interested in how we can, I appreciate Council Member Orr raising the issue.

1886
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:29,680
Are you in a position with having a police services contracted by a separate agency

1887
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:35,960
and how that inner agency is at play here because if the county hasn't adopted the

1888
02:49:35,960 --> 02:49:42,500
same safe storage ordinance the county sheriff's officers would be acting

1889
02:49:42,500 --> 02:49:49,100
outside of their purview of the Orinda ordinance as county officers and it's it

1890
02:49:49,100 --> 02:49:53,720
just adds a layer of as has been said by the other council members who've

1891
02:49:53,720 --> 02:49:58,060
already spoken a layer of nuance to an already really complicated question

1892
02:49:58,060 --> 02:50:06,980
And I'm also curious if there already is a civil penalty.

1893
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:09,080
And I would like to understand that better too.

1894
02:50:09,620 --> 02:50:13,140
And I was in trying to understand what we could do

1895
02:50:13,500 --> 02:50:14,800
that would be effective.

1896
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:19,640
I reviewed in the packet the November 8th, 2017 letter

1897
02:50:19,640 --> 02:50:24,860
from to the Maraga City Council by the attorneys

1898
02:50:24,860 --> 02:50:26,460
working on behalf of the NRA,

1899
02:50:26,460 --> 02:50:34,660
which said that it was not permitted because it was preempted by state law,

1900
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:39,020
which already had rules on the civil side here.

1901
02:50:39,340 --> 02:50:43,720
And that was under 1A paragraph two.

1902
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:49,980
And so to understand, and I guess for purposes of understanding option one,

1903
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:57,400
suggested by the city manager whereby we would work with the where one of the

1904
02:50:57,400 --> 02:51:02,160
options was where we could work with state legislators to work on state

1905
02:51:02,160 --> 02:51:05,880
legislation because I guess I'm trying to understand why this is being brought

1906
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:11,200
at the city level and not at the state level like seat belt laws you know I

1907
02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:17,660
think the analogy to Massachusetts was a very very powerful one and how how

1908
02:51:17,660 --> 02:51:24,260
how much Massachusetts has been able to lower their rates of deaths by guns among youth.

1909
02:51:25,180 --> 02:51:28,700
And certainly that has been the case throughout the country with the seat belt laws.

1910
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:34,760
And that was done on a statewide basis and at this point I don't think we can name a state that doesn't have a seat belt law.

1911
02:51:35,140 --> 02:51:44,240
So I don't want to foreclose our work on that in that direction just because we tend to be very successful in this community at effecting change on the statewide basis.

1912
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:47,400
Council Member Orr.

1913
02:51:47,480 --> 02:51:49,300
I know you all are going to be going to,

1914
02:51:49,860 --> 02:51:51,520
I don't think you can do a long list.

1915
02:51:51,580 --> 02:51:51,760
Yeah.

1916
02:51:52,180 --> 02:51:55,700
And you all will be going to Long Beach shortly

1917
02:51:55,700 --> 02:51:57,640
to meet with our lead.

1918
02:51:58,020 --> 02:52:00,660
I guess the other part that I'd be curious to know about is

1919
02:52:01,580 --> 02:52:04,600
whether and if the league is actively working

1920
02:52:04,600 --> 02:52:06,720
on anything there at the state level

1921
02:52:06,720 --> 02:52:09,040
to your point, Council Member Miller,

1922
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:11,640
if there's anything active on the states,

1923
02:52:11,960 --> 02:52:12,900
on the league slate,

1924
02:52:12,900 --> 02:52:23,740
And if they see anything moving forward further, at a state level, that would be above and beyond what's currently recoded as law would be another one.

1925
02:52:24,380 --> 02:52:31,500
We often lean, as a small municipality, we often lean heavily on the league and their leadership on these items.

1926
02:52:32,360 --> 02:52:35,420
Yeah, you know, I think it'd be helpful at this data arena.

1927
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:38,960
I know that, of course, this is an issue that's high priority.

1928
02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:44,420
Our representatives, and I know that Senator Skinner

1929
02:52:45,080 --> 02:52:50,240
authored a number of the state laws around gun ordinances

1930
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:52,080
that have been recently enacted.

1931
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:54,360
So, her office might be a resource, too,

1932
02:52:54,460 --> 02:52:57,440
in terms of some of those issues about how the local

1933
02:52:57,440 --> 02:52:58,940
and the state might work together.

1934
02:53:00,140 --> 02:53:05,820
So I think it sounds like where we are is that we want staff to come back when I'm hearing you.

1935
02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:08,840
We've identified a number of questions that have come up from the speakers,

1936
02:53:09,140 --> 02:53:13,520
that have come up from the research and our own, you know, reviewing the packet,

1937
02:53:14,020 --> 02:53:20,420
and then come back to us so that we can make some, you know, decisions about what direction we want to do.

1938
02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:24,240
So, you know, I hear there's, again, hearing the comments tonight,

1939
02:53:24,240 --> 02:53:34,060
might there seem to be a lot of priority placed on really safe storage where children are present.

1940
02:53:34,460 --> 02:53:41,720
But I've also heard comments of wanting to try to do something like

1941
02:53:41,720 --> 02:53:45,340
Lafayette did in the way of regulating gun dealership.

1942
02:53:45,440 --> 02:53:49,220
And again, I think it'll be helpful if this information comes back to us.

1943
02:53:49,220 --> 02:53:52,220
and then the council can review that information.

1944
02:53:52,680 --> 02:53:54,080
It'll be included in the packet.

1945
02:53:54,680 --> 02:53:58,660
And then I assume that it'll be coming back to us

1946
02:53:58,660 --> 02:54:01,260
as soon as staff can pull that information together.

1947
02:54:02,180 --> 02:54:04,460
And the other thing I think that would be really helpful

1948
02:54:05,080 --> 02:54:09,220
for staff to identify as you're going through this,

1949
02:54:09,380 --> 02:54:12,120
if you see other information

1950
02:54:12,120 --> 02:54:14,040
that I think would be helpful for us,

1951
02:54:14,660 --> 02:54:17,360
and for this discussion to include that,

1952
02:54:17,360 --> 02:54:24,200
Obviously we've identified some questions and clarifications, but I think it'd be also helpful if you might if there are other issues

1953
02:54:24,740 --> 02:54:30,380
Whether it's you know what these other ordinances are looking like or other issues that you know

1954
02:54:30,380 --> 02:54:37,240
The city attorneys on the League of California cities lists serve and in those kinds of resources that we have that would be helpful

1955
02:54:38,540 --> 02:54:42,240
Okay, so again, I want to thank everybody for coming tonight for your

1956
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:46,640
participation, and we will look forward to the continued discussion.

1957
02:54:47,300 --> 02:54:52,120
Again, all of our meetings are noticed, but we do have a system.

1958
02:54:52,360 --> 02:54:59,480
So if you sign up for the City Council notification system, we will send out emails to you,

1959
02:54:59,520 --> 02:55:05,440
so you'll get the notice of when this agenda will be back on the City Council agenda.

1960
02:55:05,700 --> 02:55:09,940
So thank you again, and thank to all of you who offered to provide additional information

1961
02:55:09,940 --> 02:55:16,740
to our staff and council, and so please, if you would like to provide additional information,

1962
02:55:17,220 --> 02:55:24,840
send any letters, it's always really helpful to get the correspondence, and we appreciate that, so thank you, thank you again.

1963
02:55:34,670 --> 02:55:37,970
Okay, let's take a ten minute break, and then we'll reconvene.

1964
02:56:33,580 --> 02:56:38,260
And a very believable approach.

1965
02:56:38,820 --> 02:56:39,140
Good.

1966
02:57:20,330 --> 02:57:21,090
Okay,

1967
02:57:47,280 --> 02:57:47,900
good evening.

1968
02:57:48,400 --> 02:57:55,140
We'll reconvene our meeting and our next item on the agenda is I2,

1969
02:57:55,300 --> 02:58:01,300
which is to receive revised art and public places policy and public artwork funding agreement.

1970
02:58:01,300 --> 02:58:02,360
Okay,

1971
02:58:04,940 --> 02:58:07,280
Todd, turn it over to you, sir.

1972
02:58:07,540 --> 02:58:08,000
Thank you.

1973
02:58:09,140 --> 02:58:09,600
Good evening.

1974
02:58:10,940 --> 02:58:15,020
Council members for the record, Todd Trimble, Parks and Recreation Director.

1975
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:20,160
Just quickly, if I can, just tell you how I thought I would proceed.

1976
02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:27,000
I'm going to briefly go through the report, talk about the policy.

1977
02:58:27,480 --> 02:58:32,100
We've got a couple of APPC members here to talk, to speak briefly

1978
02:58:32,100 --> 02:58:38,840
about their report and then I'll come back and review that as well. If you have any questions

1979
02:58:38,840 --> 02:58:47,100
for them or if you'd like to do it differently, that's fine too. We were, the committee and

1980
02:58:47,100 --> 02:58:53,620
staff were before you back in January providing what was really the first official update on

1981
02:58:53,620 --> 02:59:00,040
the public art program since it started about 10 years before. I think everybody

1982
02:59:00,040 --> 02:59:02,340
Everybody agreed that the program had been incredibly successful.

1983
02:59:02,480 --> 02:59:08,160
The community members had done a fantastic job, but the environment through those years

1984
02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:13,660
was starting to change and questions surrounded what would be in store and how things would

1985
02:59:13,660 --> 02:59:17,660
look in the next 10 years, which is where we're at now.

1986
02:59:18,360 --> 02:59:22,300
At the January meeting, the council decided to postpone adopting revisions to the

1987
02:59:22,300 --> 02:59:26,380
policy and the funding agreement to allow time for staff in the committee to continue

1988
02:59:26,380 --> 02:59:33,220
working on the revisions and the recommendations so but staff did hear

1989
02:59:33,220 --> 02:59:38,280
from council that that evening giving direction to reduce among other some of

1990
02:59:38,280 --> 02:59:43,200
the points to reduce staff time that was been spent on the program to not

1991
02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:48,000
commit city funds on acquiring art and to turn and to attempt to determine a

1992
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:53,660
clear longer term plan so since that meeting the city manager the city

1993
02:59:53,660 --> 02:59:59,980
Attorney, Recreation Supervisor Sheena-Walman-Meiner and myself had met with committee...

1994
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,980
City members, APPC members on many occasions, and I think we accomplished a lot, particularly

1995
03:00:07,980 --> 03:00:12,860
relating to creating efficiencies and reducing staff time, one of the directions that you had.

1996
03:00:13,220 --> 03:00:19,540
One significant step was suggesting that the city manager take on all the actions appropriate

1997
03:00:19,540 --> 03:00:25,100
to administer the program consistent with the policy. That, as you can understand, would

1998
03:00:25,100 --> 03:00:30,720
We eliminate a lot of staff reports and the staff time related to those, whether it's

1999
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:35,740
Sheena or myself, OSA, everybody that's involved, Sherry and Steve, on doing those.

2000
03:00:37,200 --> 03:00:41,260
All the staff reports, we would seek a council approval for the loans and the extensions.

2001
03:00:42,420 --> 03:00:49,780
Also OSA and Sheena developed fillable uniform documents, which again would, excuse me,

2002
03:00:49,780 --> 03:00:57,560
We avoid the need for attorney review each time, again saving more time, so it was anticipated

2003
03:00:57,560 --> 03:01:03,720
that these efficiencies and hopefully creating these efficiencies would even allow staff some

2004
03:01:03,720 --> 03:01:08,980
time to direct more time to the web page, which is also vital for the program.

2005
03:01:10,300 --> 03:01:16,740
From our perspective, we feel that the policy revisions that are in place are going

2006
03:01:16,740 --> 03:01:23,000
to lead the programs and the committee members, excuse me, lead the APPC program and the committee

2007
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:28,080
members towards another great, I don't know whose water this is, but I'm going to drink

2008
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:28,300
it.

2009
03:01:29,860 --> 03:01:30,300
I

2010
03:01:32,480 --> 03:01:34,340
don't think Mark touched it, so that's good.

2011
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:41,140
We think that these revisions are going to lead the program and the members on another

2012
03:01:41,140 --> 03:01:43,420
good successful long run.

2013
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:53,420
One suggestion, excuse me, two, let me try it again, I think, to

2014
03:01:55,780 --> 03:01:57,940
ensure appropriate checks

2015
03:01:57,940 --> 03:02:05,820
and balances was for the committee to present a report each year, outlining their goals

2016
03:02:05,820 --> 03:02:13,140
and reporting on the progress, so it's about time for me to turn it over to Rich.

2017
03:02:13,140 --> 03:02:16,200
We'll let our chair come up.

2018
03:02:16,340 --> 03:02:17,320
Give you a break for a minute.

2019
03:02:17,420 --> 03:02:18,820
You don't need to die here.

2020
03:02:19,140 --> 03:02:20,600
No, that's fine.

2021
03:02:20,920 --> 03:02:21,300
Well,

2022
03:02:24,500 --> 03:02:30,200
maybe I'll just, first of all, I want to tell you that we had, we met as Todd said,

2023
03:02:30,280 --> 03:02:32,640
numerous times with members of the committee.

2024
03:02:33,020 --> 03:02:37,740
And it was actually a real pleasure to work with them.

2025
03:02:37,880 --> 03:02:39,420
It was a very collaborative effort.

2026
03:02:39,420 --> 03:02:46,580
And there was a lot of give and take and a lot of effort to understand where we thought

2027
03:02:46,580 --> 03:02:51,500
the council and the city were and where they were.

2028
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:55,860
And so I'll just mention a couple of things in the policy.

2029
03:02:56,700 --> 03:02:58,540
And again, this was a collaborative effort.

2030
03:02:58,720 --> 03:03:05,580
It changed so much that we didn't redline this because there wasn't really any way to do it.

2031
03:03:08,400 --> 03:03:24,000
Section six is the one that Todd mentioned about the city manager authority, and the intent there is that the committee would make an annual report and tell you what they're hoping to accomplish.

2032
03:03:24,220 --> 03:03:34,740
They would do that in February, and as long as then what they do is in performance with what they told the council they would do, the city manager could approve it.

2033
03:03:34,740 --> 03:03:39,520
If it's beyond that, it would have to come to the council.

2034
03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:43,400
There was a lot of discussion in the past about article number

2035
03:03:43,400 --> 03:03:45,040
seven, the insurance.

2036
03:03:46,760 --> 03:03:52,220
And where we have ended up on that is that each piece would

2037
03:03:53,360 --> 03:03:55,960
only be insured up to $5,000.

2038
03:03:57,940 --> 03:04:01,240
And if there's a catastrophic event,

2039
03:04:01,240 --> 03:04:10,360
the total amount would be $5,000 and if there is any any claim or damage the

2040
03:04:10,360 --> 03:04:17,520
first $5,000 in any year would come from money that is held by the Parks and

2041
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:22,980
Recreation Foundation on behalf of of this of this program.

2042
03:04:26,380 --> 03:04:28,180
So what I would

2043
03:04:28,180 --> 03:04:34,740
also point out to you this is on page 505 and 506 this is the committee's report

2044
03:04:34,740 --> 03:04:38,620
and they're going to make some comments and hopefully Todd will have his voice

2045
03:04:38,620 --> 03:04:46,340
back soon but that on page 505 they wrote down their current list of owned

2046
03:04:46,340 --> 03:04:54,580
art, the current list of owned art and the totals and then they have it by

2047
03:04:54,580 --> 03:05:02,900
site and they have potential additions and you can see there are 22 and I think

2048
03:05:03,620 --> 03:05:09,240
council member or in particular may comments about it I don't really know

2049
03:05:09,240 --> 03:05:14,500
where we're going with this and I'm not trying to speak for him he's tough to

2050
03:05:14,500 --> 03:05:20,520
speak for but but a number of you express concern about you know not

2051
03:05:20,520 --> 03:05:26,060
really knowing what was happening so that so they they made it I mean this is a

2052
03:05:26,060 --> 03:05:30,040
young man's effort here that they did and then on the very next page on five

2053
03:05:30,040 --> 03:05:35,200
or six they they tried to outline where they think they are today and what they

2054
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:41,360
would get done the balance of this of this year so let's Todd has something

2055
03:05:41,360 --> 03:05:49,280
else yeah I think we would get rich and Susan whoever would like to speak

2056
03:05:49,280 --> 03:05:55,980
an opportunity. Rich was. I'm telling you you're planning to speak.

2057
03:05:59,570 --> 03:06:00,810
I'm Rich Thompson,

2058
03:06:01,330 --> 03:06:09,110
chair of the APPC and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the staff and my

2059
03:06:09,110 --> 03:06:16,210
own fellow members for the amount of time put in to re-graph our policy.

2060
03:06:21,450 --> 03:06:22,170
We

2061
03:06:23,390 --> 03:06:34,110
statement of where we intend to go and one of the aspects of this is addressing

2062
03:06:34,110 --> 03:06:40,530
weed things specifically calcium and ores comments back in January where he

2063
03:06:40,530 --> 03:06:47,850
essentially was saying you know what is this thing where's it going what about

2064
03:06:47,850 --> 03:06:57,970
you know, please, please, please make some definitive statements. And so we did. And the,

2065
03:07:00,010 --> 03:07:07,910
I'll characterize it as being very aggressive, very forward-looking, and anticipating the

2066
03:07:07,910 --> 03:07:15,630
fact we really don't know what the future holds. So we designed a playground that is

2067
03:07:15,630 --> 03:07:22,550
large and and all the things that might possibly happen can happen in this

2068
03:07:22,550 --> 03:07:27,970
playground. We don't predict that the playground will be fully populated or

2069
03:07:27,970 --> 03:07:35,330
any particular thing will happen and the way we why we argue this way is that we

2070
03:07:35,330 --> 03:07:40,130
don't want to come back in short periods of time and have to redo a policy

2071
03:07:40,130 --> 03:07:48,990
all over again. We want it to be flexible. So a key part in our mind is the fact that

2072
03:07:48,990 --> 03:07:56,290
we, every year, come to you with an annual report that has two parts. It has what we've

2073
03:07:56,290 --> 03:08:01,230
accomplished, what were the goals, what we accomplished, where are we now, and how do

2074
03:08:01,230 --> 03:08:06,630
we see the near term, near term being the next 12 months, because we can see that

2075
03:08:06,630 --> 03:08:21,430
for our head. And anyway, that's how we address Councilman Orr's questions. Now, in terms of

2076
03:08:21,430 --> 03:08:31,230
the other important issues for the city, it's already been talked about conserving staff

2077
03:08:31,230 --> 03:08:38,590
time. The agreement, the new policy, is peppered with individual things that will

2078
03:08:38,590 --> 03:08:39,890
reduce staff time.

2079
03:08:42,430 --> 03:08:47,910
That's always going to be an ongoing effort. You just, in a

2080
03:08:47,910 --> 03:08:51,110
good business management, you just can't take your eye off what it costs

2081
03:08:51,110 --> 03:09:00,210
you to carry out a program. But we think one of the key issues or key ways

2082
03:09:00,210 --> 03:09:07,030
to keep costs low is to streamline the approval process and for that we

2083
03:09:07,030 --> 03:09:16,750
hardly recommend that City Manager be the one to deal with us on a day-to-day

2084
03:09:16,750 --> 03:09:24,930
basis and so we can go get quick answers get things done faster things get

2085
03:09:24,930 --> 03:09:31,970
done the cheaper they get. So that's why we're advocating for that. And really

2086
03:09:31,970 --> 03:09:33,370
that's about it.

2087
03:09:35,410 --> 03:09:40,870
We think that as far as the council and their oversight of the

2088
03:09:40,870 --> 03:09:49,350
program, you're going to be the ones that approve the annual report and

2089
03:09:49,350 --> 03:09:53,910
plan. If this thing is going in the direction that you don't feel

2090
03:09:53,910 --> 03:09:58,990
comfortable with, you don't accept a report. That's the control.

2091
03:10:01,530 --> 03:10:02,610
That's really about it.

2092
03:10:02,710 --> 03:10:10,610
I think most everything has been said as factual about the contents of the new policy. Thank

2093
03:10:10,610 --> 03:10:10,770
you.

2094
03:10:13,570 --> 03:10:17,850
I think that's, you know, what, following up on what Rich said and what we said earlier

2095
03:10:17,850 --> 03:10:21,410
was, you know, the success of this program for the first 10 years, and we've come

2096
03:10:21,410 --> 03:10:26,850
we feel with the policy to take us the next ten years with the flexibility and the opportunity for

2097
03:10:27,270 --> 03:10:35,730
the members to do some of these things with the control and the changes that Rich alluded to,

2098
03:10:35,950 --> 03:10:45,970
which was giving the city manager more ability to oversee the program within the policy,

2099
03:10:45,970 --> 03:10:51,610
streamlines some other aspects and be efficient as possible. So what I would

2100
03:10:51,610 --> 03:10:59,870
ask you to look at too is the committee's report. If you see, you know, we

2101
03:10:59,870 --> 03:11:03,670
would look at the various, Steve alluded to it already, you know, 22

2102
03:11:03,670 --> 03:11:09,270
piece, you know, 22 potential future sites. What do you think about that

2103
03:11:09,270 --> 03:11:15,130
number, some of the liabilities and the individual values, pieces that

2104
03:11:15,130 --> 03:11:17,230
They identify on the second page.

2105
03:11:18,250 --> 03:11:19,810
Are you comfortable with those numbers?

2106
03:11:21,450 --> 03:11:23,410
Again, Rich kind of alluded to, again,

2107
03:11:23,530 --> 03:11:25,490
there's something that would come back on a regular basis,

2108
03:11:25,890 --> 03:11:28,430
be able to report what we did the year before, what

2109
03:11:28,430 --> 03:11:30,010
they foresee coming up in the near future,

2110
03:11:30,110 --> 03:11:33,350
and we could adjust and modify even at that time.

2111
03:11:33,590 --> 03:11:37,070
So or if there's anything specific that

2112
03:11:37,070 --> 03:11:38,430
sticks out to you within the policy,

2113
03:11:40,030 --> 03:11:41,730
we can definitely address those now.

2114
03:11:41,970 --> 03:11:44,450
And our goal is to still try to move forward

2115
03:11:44,450 --> 03:11:50,110
and see if we can get not only the policy, but the funding agreement and the application approved.

2116
03:11:50,690 --> 03:11:51,090
Great.

2117
03:11:54,110 --> 03:11:59,510
Thank you. Thank you to both of you for your work on this and our committee.

2118
03:11:59,910 --> 03:12:03,490
Susan here. Thank you for being part of that. Susan Mountner here.

2119
03:12:04,350 --> 03:12:08,930
And so, and Casey, I know who provides a lot of the support to Rich.

2120
03:12:10,970 --> 03:12:17,470
great thank you so much for your work on this new the recommendations so one to

2121
03:12:17,470 --> 03:12:20,930
start with council to see if there are any questions that councillors have

2122
03:12:22,650 --> 03:12:31,650
or G or councillor vice mayor Miller just one very brief question okay there's a

2123
03:12:31,650 --> 03:12:37,190
number of future sites that were noted here and it was curious about the one

2124
03:12:37,190 --> 03:12:42,130
for just the one down in the Plaza because it seems like it's pretty full of

2125
03:12:42,130 --> 03:12:46,570
Wonderful art, and I was just curious where that one site was. I

2126
03:12:51,600 --> 03:12:53,780
have the list here and you're asking about which

2127
03:12:54,340 --> 03:12:59,320
The one that's down in the community center Plaza. It looked like there's one more site

2128
03:13:01,160 --> 03:13:04,900
The library Plaza I apologize the library Plaza, correct

2129
03:13:06,700 --> 03:13:07,200
One

2130
03:13:09,530 --> 03:13:10,990
has two and one has one.

2131
03:13:16,220 --> 03:13:20,940
You know, I'm going to speak to this for the moment because I can't quite figure this out myself.

2132
03:13:22,420 --> 03:13:26,040
I think Council Member Miller is referring to the library plaza.

2133
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:27,400
The Heggy Plaza?

2134
03:13:28,020 --> 03:13:29,560
No, not the Heggy Plaza.

2135
03:13:29,560 --> 03:13:31,480
The library plaza, I see that clearly.

2136
03:13:31,780 --> 03:13:32,740
I can speak to that.

2137
03:13:33,100 --> 03:13:35,100
The community center area.

2138
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,420
Oh, I'm just speaking about the library plaza.

2139
03:13:50,260 --> 03:13:57,360
I'm sorry the question is what are the potential what are the two sites yeah yeah the trellis

2140
03:13:57,360 --> 03:14:03,620
area that borders the street okay okay got it and there'd be two one piece there now and

2141
03:14:03,620 --> 03:14:08,360
there there are at least four or more we think if all four were populated it would look like

2142
03:14:08,360 --> 03:14:14,640
a you know just a line of soldiers or something so we don't intend to populate them all understood

2143
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:16,140
I said, okay, thank you very much.

2144
03:14:17,220 --> 03:14:18,560
Great, well thank you.

2145
03:14:19,700 --> 03:14:21,080
Are there any other questions?

2146
03:14:21,260 --> 03:14:23,060
Is there any public comment on this item?

2147
03:14:24,060 --> 03:14:25,400
Okay, if not, then we'll bring it back

2148
03:14:25,400 --> 03:14:27,000
to the council for a decision.

2149
03:14:28,060 --> 03:14:30,360
Council Member Orr, discussion.

2150
03:14:30,860 --> 03:14:32,200
I'm happy to lead off.

2151
03:14:32,360 --> 03:14:35,580
I feel like I have to correct the record

2152
03:14:35,580 --> 03:14:41,320
as if I'm a person somehow against art in public places.

2153
03:14:41,900 --> 03:14:43,680
I don't want it to come off that way.

2154
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:49,640
in fact I want to make sure that I become your biggest supporter and maybe in a few

2155
03:14:49,640 --> 03:14:54,320
months from now I'll pick up a new job and I can help you move artwork around.

2156
03:14:55,240 --> 03:14:59,740
I also should point out that Mr. Thompson wrote me a very nice

2157
03:15:00,690 --> 03:15:05,990
Are our last time correct that came from you? Yes, which I did not respond to, but it was

2158
03:15:05,990 --> 03:15:12,530
incredibly thoughtful and I knew right then that this group was on the right path. This

2159
03:15:12,530 --> 03:15:21,370
is an incredible document and I think really starts to set a groundwork forward and I wouldn't

2160
03:15:21,370 --> 03:15:28,750
even comment on whether or not 60 or 50 or 70 are the right places because I trust that

2161
03:15:28,750 --> 03:15:31,390
you all are thinking about this from a bigger standpoint.

2162
03:15:32,050 --> 03:15:35,830
And I also suspect that you would probably never imagine

2163
03:15:35,830 --> 03:15:39,370
that all six of these have art in them at the same time,

2164
03:15:39,550 --> 03:15:42,230
but that you want to make sure that you have the framework

2165
03:15:42,230 --> 03:15:43,850
and the field as you described it

2166
03:15:43,850 --> 03:15:45,550
to place these and move them around.

2167
03:15:46,350 --> 03:15:50,270
So I'm really, I'm thrilled with what is in front of us.

2168
03:15:50,470 --> 03:15:51,370
I like it a lot.

2169
03:15:52,850 --> 03:15:54,810
There's a couple of comments that I'll make.

2170
03:15:54,810 --> 03:16:03,730
And first, on kind of maybe a little bit silly or facetious,

2171
03:16:04,310 --> 03:16:07,810
I'm a little bit sad to see that City Manager is taking this all on

2172
03:16:07,810 --> 03:16:11,370
because one of my great joys was getting the packet

2173
03:16:12,410 --> 03:16:14,930
to see the artwork that was, you know,

2174
03:16:15,070 --> 03:16:17,190
oh, this is what's coming, this is what's going,

2175
03:16:17,370 --> 03:16:19,810
and this is the artist's bio, and we could read about it.

2176
03:16:20,010 --> 03:16:21,370
And, you know, my daughter would say,

2177
03:16:21,450 --> 03:16:22,430
what about this one?

2178
03:16:22,570 --> 03:16:23,930
I'd say, oh, I know who that is, you know?

2179
03:16:23,930 --> 03:16:27,550
Oh, we can tell the story, but we'll get this annually.

2180
03:16:28,270 --> 03:16:30,710
And so I look forward to continuing to see that

2181
03:16:30,710 --> 03:16:33,210
because seeing those artworks is a joy.

2182
03:16:33,810 --> 03:16:36,970
And Steve, good luck and enjoy that new position.

2183
03:16:40,330 --> 03:16:45,970
But here's my one piece of commentary or criticism

2184
03:16:45,970 --> 03:16:48,910
and this is gonna come as no surprise to anyone,

2185
03:16:49,690 --> 03:16:52,250
which is that I'm gonna continue to believe

2186
03:16:52,250 --> 03:16:59,850
that owning the city owning artwork should be should

2187
03:17:02,760 --> 03:17:04,240
be for cases that are

2188
03:17:04,240 --> 03:17:14,480
above and beyond and have super special circumstances surrounding it for why we

2189
03:17:14,480 --> 03:17:20,280
would purchase this piece of art. What what I so loved about this program when

2190
03:17:20,280 --> 03:17:22,600
first conceived, is it 10 years ago now?

2191
03:17:22,700 --> 03:17:26,720
That seems crazy to me, was that it was continuously rotating

2192
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:30,480
and we saw these art pieces changing throughout town.

2193
03:17:34,080 --> 03:17:39,140
And the idea that we would start to own these,

2194
03:17:39,240 --> 03:17:43,020
I know that what becomes problematic for me is that

2195
03:17:43,020 --> 03:17:45,040
at some point we have to start storing them.

2196
03:17:45,180 --> 03:17:47,680
At some point there is a maintenance obligation.

2197
03:17:47,680 --> 03:17:55,260
At some point there is a curatorial sort of bin that needs to happen to understand how

2198
03:17:55,260 --> 03:17:59,520
and why people store artwork and then, you know, how do we catalog these and how do we

2199
03:17:59,520 --> 03:18:05,520
assess their value and while you all do an amazing job of doing all that, I'm not

2200
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:12,420
sure that I want you spending any more time acting as conservators past really shepherding

2201
03:18:12,420 --> 03:18:14,440
this what I think is an amazing program.

2202
03:18:14,440 --> 03:18:42,540
So the one, the one criticism or the one kind of request that I would like to make or that I would at least ask my colleagues to entertain is I think on packet page 501 under the city manager's authority on letter D that acquiring city owned art is recommended by the APPC that that not be a city manager decision but that is when this would come back to council.

2203
03:18:42,540 --> 03:18:49,640
Now, I can already tell you, I suspect that this council will just readily approve it,

2204
03:18:49,740 --> 03:18:51,200
assuming that the funding is there.

2205
03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:57,820
I would continue to probably disagree with my colleagues, but I think that when we get

2206
03:18:57,820 --> 03:19:03,400
to the point of actually purchasing artwork, that is to me a point where I would like

2207
03:19:03,400 --> 03:19:05,060
these things to come back to council.

2208
03:19:05,060 --> 03:19:16,980
And, in fact, I would really prefer that the agreement is page 507 and the recitals.

2209
03:19:17,800 --> 03:19:22,980
I would really even like to remove the language about purchasing artwork in the second whereas

2210
03:19:23,580 --> 03:19:27,800
that the policy authorizes the city to acquire artwork for public display through leases,

2211
03:19:28,020 --> 03:19:33,980
loans, leases and loans of artwork and remove the donations and purchase of artwork.

2212
03:19:33,980 --> 03:19:59,860
If somehow there wanted to be language in here that somehow kept this open that said under super special circumstances by which every person in the community has come out suggesting that we purchased this piece and it's a great deal of bargain, again being a little bit facetious.

2213
03:19:59,860 --> 03:20:04,700
If staff thought that there was a way to craft something that at least left the door open,

2214
03:20:04,840 --> 03:20:09,500
I would be fine with that, but I would like to remove the donation and purchase of artwork

2215
03:20:09,500 --> 03:20:14,940
from kind of the given language that this is the APPC's practice.

2216
03:20:16,780 --> 03:20:20,760
Again, I may be the only outlier here, and I should probably just keep quiet at this point

2217
03:20:20,760 --> 03:20:25,700
because so much of this work is really fantastic, and this is a document that I was really hoping for.

2218
03:20:25,700 --> 03:20:28,340
where you all have done a great deal of work.

2219
03:20:28,520 --> 03:20:33,220
And I thank City Manager Solomon and Todd and Sheena

2220
03:20:33,220 --> 03:20:35,320
for working through this and getting us to where it says,

2221
03:20:35,440 --> 03:20:38,340
because I think that this is a great form

2222
03:20:38,340 --> 03:20:40,020
for other people to be able to,

2223
03:20:40,360 --> 03:20:41,080
you know, for your,

2224
03:20:41,540 --> 03:20:43,400
but the people who follow behind you as well,

2225
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:47,240
that there's a roadmap now here for them to work on.

2226
03:20:47,620 --> 03:20:49,460
But that would be my only suggestion,

2227
03:20:49,880 --> 03:20:51,700
is remove the language about purchase of artwork.

2228
03:21:00,440 --> 03:21:07,780
I think it actually says, and the committee agreed to this, is that the city would not

2229
03:21:08,680 --> 03:21:13,360
commit any money to purchasing in the art world.

2230
03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:19,060
The way that I think even, so that is going to limit that already.

2231
03:21:19,060 --> 03:21:27,200
And maybe that needs to be in the actual policy or resolution itself, because I don't see it there actually.

2232
03:21:28,440 --> 03:21:40,060
But the way I think, and unless the committee members correct me, most of the art has been acquired, at least in recent years, is the artist has given it to us,

2233
03:21:40,060 --> 03:21:48,840
which is still the same problem that Candace talked about.

2234
03:21:49,620 --> 03:21:51,620
So it may be that what this should say

2235
03:21:51,620 --> 03:21:53,480
is if the city is going to inquire

2236
03:21:54,520 --> 03:21:57,640
under whatever circumstance it should come to the council.

2237
03:21:59,000 --> 03:22:01,520
Yeah, and for me again, this is about

2238
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:04,700
a longer term, longer range question.

2239
03:22:05,000 --> 03:22:06,920
It's not about the capital cost of the artwork

2240
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:10,900
because I do understand that the majority of the pieces

2241
03:22:10,900 --> 03:22:14,100
have been donated or, you know, there's been some small

2242
03:22:15,160 --> 03:22:18,860
undervalued fee or price that we pay for them.

2243
03:22:19,460 --> 03:22:22,340
And I can understand all the good reasons

2244
03:22:22,340 --> 03:22:23,820
for the ones that we've done.

2245
03:22:25,080 --> 03:22:28,500
My question of this, again, is about a long-term thing.

2246
03:22:28,840 --> 03:22:32,500
You know, if we become in a position of saying

2247
03:22:32,500 --> 03:22:35,880
that I forget the ratios that you guys looked at,

2248
03:22:35,880 --> 03:22:41,600
potentials here, 50, let's say it's 50-50, of purchase versus loan artwork. At some point

2249
03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:49,420
of 60, that's now 30 potential artworks. It seems to me someone should have some vision

2250
03:22:49,420 --> 03:22:56,000
about what that purchase is. Are we collecting only California art? Are we collecting California

2251
03:22:56,000 --> 03:23:02,400
art by women? Are we collecting California art by a rendent? I mean, to me it's about

2252
03:23:02,400 --> 03:23:09,640
having, when we start down this road of acquiring artwork, it shouldn't, this is

2253
03:23:09,640 --> 03:23:15,060
just my opinion, but it becomes this ad hoc nature that ten years from now no one

2254
03:23:15,060 --> 03:23:19,260
on this council or on the APPC are going to understand or know why these pieces have been

2255
03:23:19,260 --> 03:23:22,460
purchased or how we should display them or why they should be displayed and

2256
03:23:23,360 --> 03:23:28,620
again it gets back to this kind of conservatorship. I mean I don't want

2257
03:23:28,620 --> 03:23:30,480
to overstate the kind of museum example,

2258
03:23:30,640 --> 03:23:33,160
but when you own collections of artwork,

2259
03:23:33,680 --> 03:23:35,300
someone needs to care and attend them.

2260
03:23:35,580 --> 03:23:37,740
And it's not about polishing them or cleaning them

2261
03:23:37,740 --> 03:23:40,440
or making sure that they're in proper

2262
03:23:40,440 --> 03:23:41,760
climate-controlled environments.

2263
03:23:41,980 --> 03:23:45,060
It's about having a rational reason and a story

2264
03:23:45,060 --> 03:23:47,220
behind how that artwork is collected and kept.

2265
03:23:47,720 --> 03:23:50,840
So, and there's, again,

2266
03:23:51,200 --> 03:23:52,820
sometimes it's not even just about cost.

2267
03:23:53,000 --> 03:23:54,320
We could say, oh, these are all steel

2268
03:23:54,320 --> 03:23:56,980
and they're just gonna be parked out in Todd's backyard

2269
03:23:56,980 --> 03:24:02,940
behind a community center, and it doesn't cost us anything, but to me it just becomes

2270
03:24:02,940 --> 03:24:11,200
a kind of an ad hoc collection that doesn't have a further story or sort of lineage behind.

2271
03:24:12,000 --> 03:24:14,060
That's the part that I'm just always cautious to.

2272
03:24:18,670 --> 03:24:19,570
Okay, any other comments?

2273
03:24:21,550 --> 03:24:28,670
I wanted to ask some clarity, if I could, about from our art and public places leaders

2274
03:24:29,250 --> 03:24:35,210
about how, if we pursue, if we were to make a change in the policy where we really were

2275
03:24:35,210 --> 03:24:41,630
trying to get away from acquiring the art on a permanent basis or a semi-permanent

2276
03:24:41,630 --> 03:24:46,870
basis, we didn't want any donations, we didn't want to purchase it, we really were looking

2277
03:24:46,870 --> 03:24:55,310
for those loans and what is the other. Loans and leases. How that would affect your ability

2278
03:24:55,310 --> 03:25:03,130
to acquire pieces? Yeah, the terrible trade-off is the fact that

2279
03:25:03,130 --> 03:25:11,510
the purchase art doesn't cost anything to get and it doesn't cost anything to maintain.

2280
03:25:11,510 --> 03:25:16,570
we just don't we just don't maintain it when I say nothing I mean just a very

2281
03:25:16,570 --> 03:25:25,690
small amount on the other hand a very active bringing in new art keeping it

2282
03:25:25,690 --> 03:25:29,870
for two or three four years and cycling the back out is where all the staff

2283
03:25:29,870 --> 03:25:36,970
time is spent and so one of the terrible trade-offs is if we cut back

2284
03:25:36,970 --> 03:25:46,470
staff time. We impact the ability to bring in new art and so that was we tried

2285
03:25:46,470 --> 03:25:57,030
to strike a balance here you know in terms of just just the numbers. If you

2286
03:25:57,030 --> 03:26:06,770
have say 25 pieces of londard and if they cycle every four years you know

2287
03:26:06,770 --> 03:26:07,550
where you can do the math.

2288
03:26:07,750 --> 03:26:09,930
That's how many new pieces we have to bring in.

2289
03:26:10,410 --> 03:26:15,330
New contracts, visits to artists to convince them

2290
03:26:15,330 --> 03:26:18,610
to loan us their art, and so on.

2291
03:26:18,710 --> 03:26:20,790
It's just a lot of work, not just for staff,

2292
03:26:20,970 --> 03:26:23,030
but for the committee members themselves.

2293
03:26:25,350 --> 03:26:31,380
So anyway, that's the dilemma we face.

2294
03:26:34,640 --> 03:26:38,900
Is that we're kind of filling up these spaces

2295
03:26:38,900 --> 03:26:43,540
and then would not, those pieces would be there

2296
03:26:43,540 --> 03:26:46,860
in perpetuity essentially, the foreseeable future.

2297
03:26:47,220 --> 03:26:50,100
You know, I share the same uncomfortability

2298
03:26:50,100 --> 03:26:52,180
with Councilman Orr.

2299
03:26:52,400 --> 03:26:56,280
I, first of all, we don't have a theme.

2300
03:26:56,780 --> 03:26:59,540
We're not trying to, we happen to be collecting

2301
03:26:59,540 --> 03:27:02,500
California art because it's close by

2302
03:27:02,500 --> 03:27:07,680
and we happen to collect mostly abstract because

2303
03:27:09,380 --> 03:27:14,980
it's where the non-controversial art is and by the time you go through our

2304
03:27:14,980 --> 03:27:22,960
criteria you window down the the types of art that you can that you can collect.

2305
03:27:23,100 --> 03:27:28,360
It has to be safe, it has to be secure, it has to be all these things so we can't

2306
03:27:28,960 --> 03:27:35,040
go out and be and if we wanted to we couldn't go out and be theme-oriented. Now

2307
03:27:35,040 --> 03:27:41,200
I also am uneasy about the collection of things that don't change.

2308
03:27:42,060 --> 03:27:44,400
That's not my preferred way to be.

2309
03:27:45,180 --> 03:27:46,360
I don't think we're there.

2310
03:27:47,700 --> 03:27:53,100
And I think that the committee and the council has to keep a sharp eye

2311
03:27:53,100 --> 03:27:57,680
to make sure we're just not, you know, a museum.

2312
03:27:59,240 --> 03:28:05,260
and there's some tricks we could pull and that is move things around. I mean

2313
03:28:05,260 --> 03:28:12,060
some distance for example we've got the gardens that are coming on there could be

2314
03:28:12,060 --> 03:28:18,720
creative spaces we identified some of them where we could move things and you

2315
03:28:18,720 --> 03:28:26,160
can get a sort of newness that way but at the end of the day if you have too

2316
03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:30,500
too many things in your garage, they just become things.

2317
03:28:31,500 --> 03:28:35,680
And so the beauty of owning is the fact

2318
03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:37,600
you can elect to dispose.

2319
03:28:38,900 --> 03:28:42,300
In fact, we are discussing right now a piece that's

2320
03:28:42,300 --> 03:28:45,560
up near the back right outside.

2321
03:28:45,680 --> 03:28:47,180
It's the measure of a man.

2322
03:28:48,240 --> 03:28:52,700
And we think it's kind of run its course.

2323
03:28:55,040 --> 03:28:59,980
and we've never disposed of anything and now we're coming to you rips with how

2324
03:28:59,980 --> 03:29:06,280
do you do that do you get it do you have a raffle you find an engineering school

2325
03:29:06,280 --> 03:29:13,720
because it is a micrometer so anyway we're dealing with that but but agree we

2326
03:29:13,720 --> 03:29:17,440
We don't want to be a graveyard for art.

2327
03:29:21,660 --> 03:29:22,700
Thank you very much.

2328
03:29:23,420 --> 03:29:23,520
I guess.

2329
03:29:24,620 --> 03:29:26,300
So, Darlene, do you have a question?

2330
03:29:26,580 --> 03:29:27,160
I don't have a question.

2331
03:29:27,460 --> 03:29:30,820
So I just, Rich, I just want to thank you for clarifying,

2332
03:29:30,960 --> 03:29:32,880
because I know this program was originally

2333
03:29:33,300 --> 03:29:35,680
intended to be kind of a loan program.

2334
03:29:35,820 --> 03:29:36,920
Of course, that's what we could afford.

2335
03:29:37,520 --> 03:29:41,660
But second of all, that idea of changing exhibits.

2336
03:29:43,400 --> 03:29:45,340
And I know we all have our favorites

2337
03:29:45,340 --> 03:29:49,000
that we're really happy to have permanently that are there.

2338
03:29:49,680 --> 03:29:51,640
You know, the entrance pieces of the community center,

2339
03:29:51,820 --> 03:29:54,660
the frog or the various things that the community came forward

2340
03:29:54,660 --> 03:29:55,740
said we want to keep that.

2341
03:29:56,500 --> 03:29:59,740
So let me ask on that point of.

2342
03:29:59,740 --> 03:29:59,980
Thank you very much.

2343
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,660
You know, art collectors also, as you said, loan, purchase, sell art. So does this policy

2344
03:30:07,660 --> 03:30:13,400
provide us with the ability to do that? Yes. To sell, to sell art, also to dispose of it?

2345
03:30:13,400 --> 03:30:19,580
Well, if they own something, they can sell it. Yeah. Yeah. And on that point, when we

2346
03:30:19,580 --> 03:30:29,160
accept a gift, which tends to be how we acquire it, we make very clear to the get-tore that

2347
03:30:30,380 --> 03:30:33,120
Is it your intention that this be here forever?

2348
03:30:33,900 --> 03:30:36,740
And if it is, we won't accept it.

2349
03:30:37,580 --> 03:30:41,240
Great, great. So that's one of the conditions to having the flexibility

2350
03:30:41,240 --> 03:30:44,760
of say we wanted to, you know,

2351
03:30:45,100 --> 03:30:47,640
shift the collection or whatever. We have that option.

2352
03:30:47,780 --> 03:30:52,520
To the extent there might be some feelings hurt among the local community,

2353
03:30:53,520 --> 03:30:55,960
we will write letters, we will

2354
03:30:58,120 --> 03:31:01,920
we're just not going to take action without a context.

2355
03:31:02,280 --> 03:31:07,920
So I know that the bear was on loan, so now if people miss the bear, they can go to Lafayette and see the bear.

2356
03:31:08,900 --> 03:31:11,720
We've gotten two reactions. Thank goodness it's gone.

2357
03:31:11,940 --> 03:31:12,720
Where is it?

2358
03:31:13,220 --> 03:31:14,720
And where did the bear go?

2359
03:31:17,040 --> 03:31:21,260
Maybe the Cal football team's fortunes will be better with the bear and Lafayette.

2360
03:31:21,640 --> 03:31:23,800
The Cal people have been very quiet.

2361
03:31:23,800 --> 03:31:30,740
We never heard any, thank you for having the bear or the Samford people saying now that it's gone, thank you for that.

2362
03:31:31,640 --> 03:31:33,320
Both sides have been quiet.

2363
03:31:33,680 --> 03:31:42,800
Well that's good and again it's really wonderful to see, particularly the children being exposed to the art in the plaza and around the city.

2364
03:31:43,040 --> 03:31:43,780
So it's just great.

2365
03:31:43,780 --> 03:31:49,170
So okay well if there are any other comments we'll bring it back any other public comments we'll

2366
03:31:51,020 --> 03:31:54,760
Close the public comment bring it just bring it back to council for discussion

2367
03:31:59,100 --> 03:31:59,560
Okay

2368
03:32:04,900 --> 03:32:05,360
Also

2369
03:32:13,780 --> 03:32:23,680
second paragraph, they say in that report what they specifically plan to do in

2370
03:32:23,680 --> 03:32:29,600
calendar year 2018 that they would return one piece of loan to our to acquire

2371
03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:37,120
three new pieces loaned are formalized the paperwork on the donation of two

2372
03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:44,620
pieces and etc there so the I guess my point would be is that's what the city

2373
03:32:44,620 --> 03:32:50,500
manager would be limited to okay if they wanted to do anything more than that that

2374
03:32:50,500 --> 03:32:55,300
would have to come to the council so so you would see this every year that's the

2375
03:32:55,300 --> 03:33:01,800
idea okay and but as I think you folks know the way it is now almost

2376
03:33:01,800 --> 03:33:08,920
everything comes to you and it becomes this pretty large bureaucratic process that Sheena

2377
03:33:08,920 --> 03:33:16,460
here ends up having to manage and it ended up I think when she was hired it was almost

2378
03:33:16,460 --> 03:33:23,060
to the point where it was it just wasn't being managed at all. So you know again you folks

2379
03:33:23,060 --> 03:33:30,080
can not want to do it, but I certainly don't know what city manager would be running around out of control.

2380
03:33:31,060 --> 03:33:39,040
Okay. Well, thank you. So it sounds like you've gotten feedback from the council enough direction to be able to come back.

2381
03:33:39,680 --> 03:33:48,400
Great. Well, again, Rich, Susan, Casey, too. Thank you. Thank you very much for your leadership on this committee.

2382
03:33:48,400 --> 03:33:52,120
You've helped create an asset that our community just really enjoys.

2383
03:33:52,660 --> 03:33:53,440
So thank you.

2384
03:33:53,620 --> 03:33:55,080
Thank you very much, and thank you to staff.

2385
03:33:55,620 --> 03:33:58,940
Thanks to our park and rec staff who just do such a great job of managing this.

2386
03:33:58,940 --> 03:34:00,820
And thank you for sticking around until 10 o'clock.

2387
03:34:00,820 --> 03:34:01,640
Yeah, I know, sorry.

2388
03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:02,260
Thank you.

2389
03:34:03,220 --> 03:34:04,380
Good, take care.

2390
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:05,340
Thank you.

2391
03:34:11,960 --> 03:34:16,800
Okay, I3, and Stuart is still here, so thank you for sticking around too.

2392
03:34:16,800 --> 03:34:27,920
So our next item, I3, is the proposed agreement with the Arenda Union School District for the scheduling and maintenance of the sports field at the five district schools.

2393
03:34:28,560 --> 03:34:31,980
So here we are the night before school starts, right?

2394
03:34:32,120 --> 03:34:37,880
Everybody's coming back tomorrow, so this is Stuart's last free and easy night.

2395
03:34:38,200 --> 03:34:44,580
Knowing him though, he's been working all summer to get those facilities in good shape, so thank you very much.

2396
03:34:44,580 --> 03:34:50,240
And I'd like to turn back to staff for the report.

2397
03:34:51,060 --> 03:34:55,820
Stewart is definitely making the most of his last evening here.

2398
03:34:56,500 --> 03:35:00,580
But as you alluded to, Adam Mayer, Director of Facilities and Maintenance,

2399
03:35:00,680 --> 03:35:04,860
Stewart House of the School District is here to provide any feedback.

2400
03:35:05,140 --> 03:35:11,640
If there are any questions, we brought this item to you earlier this year.

2401
03:35:11,640 --> 03:35:17,660
we requested authorization to enter into discussions with the district to talk about this topic,

2402
03:35:17,780 --> 03:35:23,680
which was approached months earlier when the district approached us to explore the possibility

2403
03:35:23,680 --> 03:35:29,500
of the city maintaining and scheduling the six athletic fields at the five union district

2404
03:35:29,500 --> 03:35:30,000
schools.

2405
03:35:30,980 --> 03:35:35,640
In recent years, the fields haven't been maintained at a level that the district

2406
03:35:35,640 --> 03:35:40,620
or the users prefer due to a staff reduction there at the district, and both the city

2407
03:35:40,620 --> 03:35:45,600
City and the district have an interest in providing an improved resource, an improved

2408
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:50,040
recreational resource for both the district students and the community.

2409
03:35:51,100 --> 03:35:58,560
And as such we developed a draft agreement in which we would, which would work much like

2410
03:35:58,560 --> 03:36:03,040
the existing agreement with the Wagner gym where we would, the schools would have use

2411
03:36:03,040 --> 03:36:07,660
of those facilities during the school day and the city would have the ability to

2412
03:36:07,660 --> 03:36:13,860
use those during non-school hours, after school, weekend, summers, and to use them or to rent

2413
03:36:13,860 --> 03:36:14,100
them.

2414
03:36:14,600 --> 03:36:19,560
Incidentally, the three main uses of the schools we're very – of the school field fields

2415
03:36:19,560 --> 03:36:24,660
we're very familiar with already, the Rinda Baseball Association, Lomond Soccer Club,

2416
03:36:24,800 --> 03:36:29,240
and I think the third biggest user would be our own department, our Parks and Rec

2417
03:36:29,240 --> 03:36:29,760
programs.

2418
03:36:30,560 --> 03:36:36,760
So, the agreement was discussed at a school board meeting at their regular meeting

2419
03:36:36,760 --> 03:36:39,180
meeting this month which occurred last week.

2420
03:36:39,980 --> 03:36:44,840
We're going to be meeting with the district again later this week to discuss some questions that their board members brought up.

2421
03:36:45,200 --> 03:36:47,300
We'll do the same with any points that you have.

2422
03:36:47,460 --> 03:36:49,100
We're looking again not for an approval.

2423
03:36:49,380 --> 03:36:53,300
We're looking to get some feedback and any questions you may have.

2424
03:36:53,680 --> 03:36:55,880
We'll discuss some other items that have arisen.

2425
03:36:57,180 --> 03:37:02,400
A few things that have come up would be, and we talked to Stuart about this before we move forward,

2426
03:37:02,400 --> 03:37:06,740
would be a full assessment of the irrigation system that's currently in place.

2427
03:37:07,580 --> 03:37:13,080
The city attorney made some good points about really making sure we clarify the areas of

2428
03:37:13,080 --> 03:37:15,880
responsibilities in each field and that we make those specific.

2429
03:37:16,840 --> 03:37:21,120
We need to amend and approve our landscape contractor, MCE's contract.

2430
03:37:22,040 --> 03:37:29,040
So a few things to do still before we come back and ask you for a recommendation to

2431
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:32,060
authorize the city manager to enter into this agreement.

2432
03:37:32,440 --> 03:37:32,440
So,

2433
03:37:34,480 --> 03:37:37,960
you know, when you have a copy of the draft agreement,

2434
03:37:38,260 --> 03:37:40,700
we, if there's any specific questions,

2435
03:37:41,340 --> 03:37:43,300
I kind of just briefly outlined it,

2436
03:37:43,380 --> 03:37:46,460
but we do think it's something that, again,

2437
03:37:47,780 --> 03:37:50,140
would provide improvement to,

2438
03:37:50,320 --> 03:37:51,260
I think we would have the ability

2439
03:37:51,260 --> 03:37:53,480
to improve these resources.

2440
03:37:54,200 --> 03:37:57,560
Again, the biggest user of these resources

2441
03:37:57,560 --> 03:37:59,520
of course is going to be the students.

2442
03:38:00,140 --> 03:38:06,020
But we would have the ability to continue to use them for our community in a variety of methods.

2443
03:38:06,180 --> 03:38:09,960
We would hope that we'd see an increase in the use, but we'll have to wait and see how capacity.

2444
03:38:10,120 --> 03:38:12,880
So there's no question that there's some unknown factors in this, but

2445
03:38:13,800 --> 03:38:18,680
we're looking at it still as a mutually beneficial arrangement.

2446
03:38:19,100 --> 03:38:21,560
So I'd be happy to answer some questions.

2447
03:38:21,840 --> 03:38:24,320
Sheena's here to answer questions and of course Stuart is as well.

2448
03:38:24,320 --> 03:38:30,140
Okay, great, Todd and Stuart, thank you again for sticking through a long meeting to be here with us tonight.

2449
03:38:30,660 --> 03:38:32,920
So first of all, are there any questions of staff?

2450
03:38:34,800 --> 03:38:40,320
Okay, let me just turn to the public comment, see if there's any public comment on this item.

2451
03:38:41,580 --> 03:38:46,820
Okay, if not, we will, you're part of the presentation, so we don't have a public comment.

2452
03:38:47,080 --> 03:38:50,880
So yes, Stuart, it would be great if you would like to come up and

2453
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:53,640
And just provide some perspective in terms of the district.

2454
03:38:56,280 --> 03:39:02,440
Well, first and foremost, I would like to thank very much the collaborative spirit that we've had

2455
03:39:02,920 --> 03:39:07,640
working together with your city manager, Steve Solomon and Todd Trimble.

2456
03:39:08,120 --> 03:39:11,780
It's been amazing that the meetings we held with the superintendent and

2457
03:39:12,140 --> 03:39:18,040
myself trying to hash out some of these fine points of how we do this.

2458
03:39:19,440 --> 03:39:36,400
In a general statement, you know, we have the same user groups and we have a lot of sports enthusiasts among our parents and kids and our fields over the years have been deteriorating.

2459
03:39:37,260 --> 03:39:46,460
And some large measure is because we have one gardener to take care of all of the schools that got like 20 acres of land.

2460
03:39:46,460 --> 03:40:05,860
And, you know, sometimes he's had extended absences for reasons of vacations and all of that taking together how overwhelming it is for him, even though he does a good job, little by little they've been degenerating.

2461
03:40:07,040 --> 03:40:12,980
We put in a new field at Glorietta, the lower field,

2462
03:40:13,720 --> 03:40:19,360
and we saw it stressing out this summer, much to my fear,

2463
03:40:19,880 --> 03:40:23,540
because we put a lot of money into trying to resurrect that field,

2464
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:28,900
and I was greatly afraid it was going to go like the rest of them.

2465
03:40:30,940 --> 03:40:51,380
So, we think this collaboration with the city where the city assumes responsibility will not only allow all of our fields to eventually come back to a state which can be enjoyed by all the rendens and their children, but in our school children as well.

2466
03:40:51,380 --> 03:40:58,140
But we also think that it will afford us an opportunity to have our gardener pay attention

2467
03:40:58,140 --> 03:41:05,060
to the grounds around the school and improve their general appearance so that what I call curb appeal

2468
03:41:05,060 --> 03:41:12,140
will be able to do some real planting around the schools and kind of make them a little more presentable.

2469
03:41:12,780 --> 03:41:18,660
We sometimes have overgrowth of weeds and the poor plants.

2470
03:41:18,660 --> 03:41:25,700
We do have their suffering, so little hedge clipping could work.

2471
03:41:27,000 --> 03:41:33,640
So in general, I think this collaboration in future would do a lot for the whole city,

2472
03:41:34,020 --> 03:41:45,080
for our sports users, for the school district, for the kids, for parents who are soccer moms.

2473
03:41:45,280 --> 03:41:45,940
I love that phrase.

2474
03:41:48,920 --> 03:41:54,380
So it's something I think it would be a great step forward for all of us.

2475
03:41:56,670 --> 03:42:01,150
Well Stuart, thank you so much for working with our city staff, you and the superintendent.

2476
03:42:01,530 --> 03:42:06,230
We really appreciate your leadership and willingness to sit down with the city and say,

2477
03:42:06,250 --> 03:42:11,210
how can we create a win-win arrangement for the whole community?

2478
03:42:11,430 --> 03:42:17,510
Like the Wagner Ranch Gym, it's a great model of shared space, shared facility that's worked out really beautifully.

2479
03:42:17,510 --> 03:42:23,330
can I say an additional word I'd really like to come in the city for a lot of

2480
03:42:23,330 --> 03:42:28,590
things that we're doing in collaboration lately Larry's staff at

2481
03:42:28,590 --> 03:42:34,430
Public Works in their project at the Wagner Ranch to deal with that that

2482
03:42:34,430 --> 03:42:43,130
erosion under the road police chief Nagel was at our assembly of all of the

2483
03:42:43,130 --> 03:42:48,990
staff for the events of schools on Monday and and gave us a training on active

2484
03:42:48,990 --> 03:42:57,030
shooters. We just had a number of wonderful collaborations with the city in

2485
03:42:57,030 --> 03:43:02,990
the last year or so, particularly since Steve has gotten on board. So I think

2486
03:43:02,990 --> 03:43:08,510
that's it's been a real blessing for for the school district. Our new

2487
03:43:08,510 --> 03:43:13,570
superintendent is also proactive in reaching out to the city and that's been

2488
03:43:13,570 --> 03:43:22,190
a real benefit to everybody and we're looking we're hoping that the city will

2489
03:43:22,190 --> 03:43:27,430
also support us in the effort for our bond measure that's coming up in

2490
03:43:27,430 --> 03:43:27,670
November.

2491
03:43:29,780 --> 03:43:36,240
Thank you. Is there any other public comment? If not we will close

2492
03:43:36,240 --> 03:43:44,880
public comment and return back to the council for you is this the final report

2493
03:43:44,880 --> 03:43:48,780
for us to adopt or is this just the preliminary and I know that the school

2494
03:43:48,780 --> 03:43:52,780
district the school board has a subcommittee that's doing a little bit

2495
03:43:52,780 --> 03:43:56,740
more work on this so I assume a final agreement will come back to us so let's

2496
03:43:56,740 --> 03:44:05,700
is there any further feedback from just like to just express my thanks to

2497
03:44:05,700 --> 03:44:10,100
the school district working so well with the city on this project and it really is wonderful

2498
03:44:10,500 --> 03:44:15,720
for everybody we've heard so much about the shortage of the field space and I'm very confident

2499
03:44:15,720 --> 03:44:23,760
that this plan will create more interest in using the school district's fields in order

2500
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:30,520
to provide the needed generation of funds to bring these up to a better level for everyone

2501
03:44:30,520 --> 03:44:33,000
and so the gardener at the schools can.

2502
03:44:33,440 --> 03:44:34,920
If I can add one other comment.

2503
03:44:35,200 --> 03:44:36,780
The fact that the city will then be

2504
03:44:40,070 --> 03:44:41,570
able to rotate fields

2505
03:44:41,570 --> 03:44:46,130
and, you know, be able to control over all the fields

2506
03:44:46,130 --> 03:44:49,210
and remember that gives us a chance for all of the fields

2507
03:44:51,580 --> 03:44:52,840
to get some of the more red.

2508
03:44:55,210 --> 03:44:55,570
Good point.

2509
03:45:10,940 --> 03:45:17,400
Yeah, I just want to thank all of you. You've done a really, really excellent job and Amy used

2510
03:45:17,400 --> 03:45:23,040
the phrase that I kept thinking as I was going over all this, this is really a win-win for

2511
03:45:23,040 --> 03:45:30,180
the community. So I look forward to it. My days of standing on all of the fields and

2512
03:45:30,180 --> 03:45:37,200
are ended with kids are over, but I have to admit that it's a very, very important part

2513
03:45:37,200 --> 03:45:41,300
of our community, and I just want to commend all of you for putting this together. I'm

2514
03:45:41,300 --> 03:45:43,300
very supportive of it moving forward.

2515
03:45:46,580 --> 03:45:52,120
I support it. I mean, I think that my time here in working with Parks and Rec, and particularly

2516
03:45:53,820 --> 03:45:59,040
when we were going through the numbers at Wilder, learned that sports fields in this community

2517
03:45:59,040 --> 03:46:03,940
are like lanes on a freeway. You just can't build enough of them to fill up. So the

2518
03:46:03,940 --> 03:46:05,660
the more that we can do to make them more useful.

2519
03:46:06,320 --> 03:46:09,160
Thank you to Steve and Todd for digging into this and

2520
03:46:09,660 --> 03:46:11,840
our partners with the school district for figuring out, it's fantastic.

2521
03:46:12,260 --> 03:46:15,320
I think it's great, and I would completely concur.

2522
03:46:15,560 --> 03:46:20,880
I think that also the strength of this agreement is that not only will it provide it,

2523
03:46:22,040 --> 03:46:26,820
but we'll be able to put the resources into those fields to maintain them the way they should be.

2524
03:46:27,520 --> 03:46:33,200
It provides a financial model that is, I think will be a sustainable model in terms of

2525
03:46:33,200 --> 03:46:43,320
The fees that will cover the cost of maintenance will increase the cost of maintenance and it will really enable the school district to focus its resources on the instructional programs that are so

2526
03:46:44,160 --> 03:46:50,340
important to the district and I think that that is a great win.

2527
03:46:50,340 --> 03:46:53,460
And it is a challenge with the school district,

2528
03:46:53,760 --> 03:46:55,240
with these buildings and facilities

2529
03:46:55,240 --> 03:46:56,700
that are as old as they are.

2530
03:46:56,840 --> 03:46:58,360
They have a lifespan,

2531
03:46:58,740 --> 03:47:01,360
and it's probably one of the biggest challenges

2532
03:47:01,360 --> 03:47:03,160
for school districts where you wanna focus

2533
03:47:03,160 --> 03:47:06,660
on the operational, the instructional resources,

2534
03:47:06,860 --> 03:47:09,300
and yet the physical plant continues

2535
03:47:09,300 --> 03:47:12,440
to build the ravages of time.

2536
03:47:12,920 --> 03:47:16,560
So it's really, I think this is a great model

2537
03:47:16,560 --> 03:47:18,500
for us to be doing and working together.

2538
03:47:18,500 --> 03:47:24,520
And we have been so fortunate to have the agreement with the school district for the Wagner Ranch gym.

2539
03:47:24,920 --> 03:47:28,880
It really was a wonderful thing having that land,

2540
03:47:29,100 --> 03:47:35,120
having the school district open to developing that gym on that site.

2541
03:47:35,600 --> 03:47:37,840
And so thank you, so thank you very much.

2542
03:47:37,940 --> 03:47:44,100
So it sounds like you've got enthusiastic support for this and really look forward to working with the school district.

2543
03:47:44,100 --> 03:47:50,800
And I really also want to thank our city manager and the superintendent that really have set

2544
03:47:50,800 --> 03:47:58,560
the tone in terms of collaboration and Todd and Stewart get to take the agreements and

2545
03:47:58,560 --> 03:48:02,860
put them together and really from a practical standpoint know what works.

2546
03:48:03,040 --> 03:48:07,360
And I think the comment that Stewart that you made about being able to schedule both

2547
03:48:07,360 --> 03:48:11,580
the use and the maintenance of the field is a real advantage to hear.

2548
03:48:11,780 --> 03:48:12,700
So thank you all.

2549
03:48:13,180 --> 03:48:13,760
So good.

2550
03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:20,060
So that'll come back to both boards, council and the board in the near future so we can implement it.

2551
03:48:20,460 --> 03:48:20,840
Terrific.

2552
03:48:21,460 --> 03:48:21,900
Okay, great.

2553
03:48:22,320 --> 03:48:23,700
Thank you very much.

2554
03:48:24,060 --> 03:48:26,740
And have a good first day of school.

2555
03:48:28,700 --> 03:48:31,720
So kids are all just as excited as you are, right?

2556
03:48:32,920 --> 03:48:37,020
Okay, our next item is council member reports.

2557
03:48:37,260 --> 03:48:39,680
Are there any council member reports?

2558
03:48:40,540 --> 03:48:43,780
All right, then we will turn to our city manager's report.

2559
03:48:45,020 --> 03:48:46,800
Well, Larry's come up.

2560
03:48:46,960 --> 03:48:51,280
I have one thing other than what he's going to mention,

2561
03:48:51,520 --> 03:48:54,980
and that's that we are the council.

2562
03:48:55,480 --> 03:48:57,220
I can't remember which meeting now,

2563
03:48:57,280 --> 03:49:00,440
but at the last meeting when you talked about the private streets,

2564
03:49:00,440 --> 03:49:04,020
it was a motion made for us to return

2565
03:49:04,020 --> 03:49:06,940
so that you could give direction about the policy.

2566
03:49:06,940 --> 03:49:13,960
And we're going to try to do that either on September 4, but I don't know if we'll make

2567
03:49:13,960 --> 03:49:22,100
that because it's literally two weeks away and whatever we write we want to have distributed.

2568
03:49:23,520 --> 03:49:30,940
But anyway, it would be on the first meeting in October if it misses that because I think

2569
03:49:30,940 --> 03:49:35,160
Councilmember Miller is not going to be here on the 17th and it's conceivable that

2570
03:49:35,160 --> 03:49:37,000
but the mayor might not be here.

2571
03:49:37,320 --> 03:49:40,660
So we're gonna try to have a light meeting on the 17th.

2572
03:49:42,190 --> 03:49:42,850
Mr. Thiggs.

2573
03:49:44,790 --> 03:49:45,770
Good evening, everyone.

2574
03:49:48,520 --> 03:49:51,160
So real quick, I wanted to provide an update

2575
03:49:51,160 --> 03:49:54,620
to the council regarding the vegetation management

2576
03:49:54,620 --> 03:49:56,460
along the minor road corridor.

2577
03:49:58,060 --> 03:50:01,220
There was some handouts included in your packet tonight.

2578
03:50:01,860 --> 03:50:04,660
I'm not gonna go through line by line,

2579
03:50:04,660 --> 03:50:10,020
but in general I wanted to say it was a very successful project.

2580
03:50:10,300 --> 03:50:15,980
It was a good partnership between the City of Arundah and PG&E specifically

2581
03:50:16,660 --> 03:50:21,740
with quite a bit of assistance with the Muraga-Arundah Fire District.

2582
03:50:22,460 --> 03:50:29,160
I think given the amount of tree trimming and removal along this border,

2583
03:50:29,320 --> 03:50:32,380
which was about 86 trees being trimmed,

2584
03:50:32,380 --> 03:50:40,660
24 being removed. Some relatively small removals but you can see in one of these pictures one

2585
03:50:40,660 --> 03:50:50,200
tree which was already dead was a quite a large oak tree. We received actually very little negative

2586
03:50:50,200 --> 03:50:52,580
feedback on the project which was good I think.

2587
03:50:54,800 --> 03:50:57,580
There was a lot of benefit of us coming to the

2588
03:50:57,580 --> 03:51:01,260
Council introducing the idea, having another item

2589
03:51:01,260 --> 03:51:04,620
about the closure of the road, and then utilizing

2590
03:51:04,620 --> 03:51:09,560
social media and our own weekly newsletter

2591
03:51:09,560 --> 03:51:10,680
to get the word out.

2592
03:51:11,360 --> 03:51:13,900
And then it being before school started,

2593
03:51:14,280 --> 03:51:15,520
I think it was very helpful.

2594
03:51:15,740 --> 03:51:17,980
So I think the closure between nine to five

2595
03:51:17,980 --> 03:51:19,660
and the work was actually completed

2596
03:51:20,160 --> 03:51:22,140
within four days as opposed to the five.

2597
03:51:22,440 --> 03:51:24,820
So I think it was very successful

2598
03:51:24,820 --> 03:51:39,460
And I think we received good feedback that I think generally which my initial thought was that there would be some potential negative feedback about the amount of vegetation management being done would cause concerns.

2599
03:51:39,680 --> 03:51:51,160
But I think most folks in the community understood the importance of the trimming back and the requirements relative to the electrical distribution line.

2600
03:51:51,160 --> 03:51:53,440
So those are kind of key things.

2601
03:51:53,580 --> 03:51:57,800
And I think we learned a lot of good steps in that process

2602
03:51:57,800 --> 03:52:02,840
that we want to utilize in the next PG&E project

2603
03:52:02,840 --> 03:52:05,480
that they're going to be trimming, which I

2604
03:52:05,480 --> 03:52:07,660
wanted to inform the council about.

2605
03:52:08,160 --> 03:52:10,460
This is probably going to be kind of different visibility

2606
03:52:11,340 --> 03:52:13,460
on the next few pages.

2607
03:52:14,360 --> 03:52:19,240
We're made aware that the PG&E transmission line,

2608
03:52:19,240 --> 03:52:24,280
vegetation management group is now approaching us. It's separate than the

2609
03:52:24,280 --> 03:52:30,580
minor road but they do work together. There are the high voltage transmission

2610
03:52:30,580 --> 03:52:36,680
lines that go through downtown over Arenda Way and there's an aerial map which

2611
03:52:36,680 --> 03:52:45,620
has some yellow dots on it. One through six are six Sycamore trees, all mature

2612
03:52:45,620 --> 03:52:53,420
trees that are either fully underneath the transmission lines or partially based

2613
03:52:53,420 --> 03:53:01,060
on the latest revised requirement for vertical clearance between vegetation

2614
03:53:01,060 --> 03:53:08,200
and the transmission lines it's 25 feet. That would severely cut the tops off

2615
03:53:08,200 --> 03:53:14,200
of all these trees. So PG&E is proposing that the trees be fully

2616
03:53:14,200 --> 03:53:21,800
removed, otherwise the trees after their cut would either probably die or look very interesting.

2617
03:53:24,360 --> 03:53:34,740
The seventh yellow dot on that map is actually trimming around the actual tower. There's

2618
03:53:34,740 --> 03:53:40,320
a pine and a oak tree. So those will not be removed, but there's quite a bit of vegetation

2619
03:53:40,320 --> 03:53:46,640
at the base. You'll probably see the tower a little bit more because it's sort of covered

2620
03:53:46,640 --> 03:53:51,160
up probably the first eight to nine feet from the bottom given how much vegetation is there.

2621
03:53:52,580 --> 03:53:57,620
Number seven is actually on private property, but one through six are within the public

2622
03:53:57,620 --> 03:54:04,780
right away. Those are probably trees that were planted as part of the street skateboard

2623
03:54:04,780 --> 03:54:12,480
work that was done. Staff is right now, and there's specific pictures of the

2624
03:54:12,480 --> 03:54:13,220
sycamore trees.

2625
03:54:15,520 --> 03:54:20,620
Given the regulation and the easements that PG&E has over these

2626
03:54:20,620 --> 03:54:24,960
trees and their requirements, I think our best approach is to try to work

2627
03:54:24,960 --> 03:54:30,720
with PG&E and mitigate for the loss of the trees. Our hope is to get some

2628
03:54:30,720 --> 03:54:35,120
and contribution to potentially replanting smaller trees

2629
03:54:35,120 --> 03:54:40,460
that don't grow within that 25 foot clearance zone.

2630
03:54:41,100 --> 03:54:43,860
It might be relatively good timing

2631
03:54:43,860 --> 03:54:46,120
given we have our streetscape project

2632
03:54:46,120 --> 03:54:48,300
gonna be looking at this entire quarter on

2633
03:54:48,300 --> 03:54:50,200
and those trees are removed.

2634
03:54:50,520 --> 03:54:52,520
We can look at how those are replanted

2635
03:54:52,520 --> 03:54:59,220
or maybe even relocated a bit to avoid the power lines.

2636
03:54:59,220 --> 03:55:04,340
But that is something that I believe is going to be difficult.

2637
03:55:04,640 --> 03:55:06,700
There's quite a bit of shade provided by these trees,

2638
03:55:06,900 --> 03:55:10,660
and there is an aesthetic look that will be impacted.

2639
03:55:12,300 --> 03:55:18,750
Our intention is to provide public notification,

2640
03:55:19,210 --> 03:55:22,810
either through the same approach as we did with Minor Road.

2641
03:55:23,310 --> 03:55:25,430
It's obviously not going to have a traffic impact,

2642
03:55:25,610 --> 03:55:30,050
but generally speaking, PG&E is looking to remove these trees

2643
03:55:30,050 --> 03:55:33,690
trees in the next two to four months is their time frame.

2644
03:55:35,370 --> 03:55:42,210
They are open to having some discussion of how those trees are mitigated for, but that

2645
03:55:42,210 --> 03:55:47,390
is what our staff approach is, and I'm working with the planning director as well in regards

2646
03:55:47,390 --> 03:55:52,830
with the streetscape plan, so it's kind of a report on the vegetation management

2647
03:55:52,830 --> 03:55:56,570
that's going on in Arundah, and I don't know if you had any questions, I'm more

2648
03:55:56,570 --> 03:55:57,590
than happy to answer them.

2649
03:55:59,000 --> 03:56:04,160
Great. Thank you. Thank you, Larry. Are there any questions for staff?

2650
03:56:04,660 --> 03:56:05,020
I have one.

2651
03:56:05,100 --> 03:56:05,620
Yeah, Darlene?

2652
03:56:05,900 --> 03:56:12,840
Larry, I assume that the removal is all on PG&E, right? They're happy to pay for the removal.

2653
03:56:13,300 --> 03:56:13,540
Correct.

2654
03:56:14,760 --> 03:56:18,500
Okay. Terrific. Is there any public comment on this item?

2655
03:56:19,780 --> 03:56:27,240
Okay. Well, this is actually information, but is there any, so just, I guess this is really information at this point, just for us,

2656
03:56:27,240 --> 03:56:33,840
in terms of this is what's happening, as you indicated, that the laws around the clearances are.

2657
03:56:36,780 --> 03:56:44,380
Given that we don't have much of an audience tonight, I would imagine, I mean, we understand the high visibility nature of these trees.

2658
03:56:45,460 --> 03:56:52,540
And we expect feedback, but we want to let the council know our approach is to work with PG and mitigate the costs.

2659
03:56:52,540 --> 03:56:56,300
given that even if they trimmed it less,

2660
03:56:57,340 --> 03:57:00,580
they would constantly be trimming these trees to meet.

2661
03:57:01,060 --> 03:57:05,000
Obviously PG&E has been heightened more on their clearance,

2662
03:57:05,620 --> 03:57:10,540
and so I don't think we should be in the position to fight their clearance requirements.

2663
03:57:11,280 --> 03:57:12,780
I think we can work with them.

2664
03:57:13,140 --> 03:57:17,360
So, yeah, and these are obviously safety considerations

2665
03:57:18,080 --> 03:57:19,440
and important ones.

2666
03:57:19,440 --> 03:57:30,040
So I guess as you're suggesting, what you'd be doing is working with them to try to find some kind of alternative replacement tree that was, for example, similar that was done in the triangle.

2667
03:57:31,400 --> 03:57:44,340
The tree that was, again, above, underneath those high voltage transmission powers, that was replaced by the newer trees that will have a life size that will be much smaller than the Sycamore.

2668
03:57:44,340 --> 03:57:51,140
Yeah, and I think the probably the initial approach from staff perspective is to try to get a monetary mitigation

2669
03:57:51,740 --> 03:57:56,880
Because we don't know we don't want to plan something that we're going to be working on a streetscape plan anyway

2670
03:57:57,600 --> 03:57:59,640
So that is kind of our initial

2671
03:58:00,620 --> 03:58:09,740
Okay, great. Well again, we appreciate PG knee working with the city of Arundah and and also with the Maraga Rinda fire district on the minor road

2672
03:58:11,020 --> 03:58:19,260
project, so not only does it provide clearance for the wires, but also for the emergency vehicles that need to travel that important corridor.

2673
03:58:19,540 --> 03:58:23,120
So thank you very much.

2674
03:58:23,200 --> 03:58:31,080
And I noticed that we got an email or two from residents who appreciated the signage and the detour and how well it worked.

2675
03:58:31,720 --> 03:58:38,440
So it was nice to receive that compliment from community members that were traveling different ways.

2676
03:58:38,440 --> 03:58:41,180
So thank you very much for managing that.

2677
03:58:41,460 --> 03:58:41,580
Okay.

2678
03:58:41,880 --> 03:58:42,280
Great.

2679
03:58:42,580 --> 03:58:45,920
Well, if there are any other items, okay.

2680
03:58:47,120 --> 03:58:49,080
Then are there any matters initiated?

2681
03:58:50,560 --> 03:58:51,020
Okay.

2682
03:58:51,100 --> 03:58:58,960
If not then our council member is adjourned to our next regular city council meeting, which will be on Tuesday on September 4th.

2683
03:58:59,160 --> 03:59:02,940
That's right after Labor Day, so we'll be back at it.

2684
03:59:03,000 --> 03:59:04,020
So thank you very much.

2685
03:59:04,020 --> 03:59:04,180
Thank you very much.