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We just concluded a special meeting at 6 p.m. closed session, and there were no reportable items from that meeting.

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I'd like to welcome you all here, and thank you for joining us for tonight's meeting of the

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the room for those who wish to use them. I would like to ask our clerk to call the

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speeding to order and do our roll call. Okay, Councilen Bridgie. Here,

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Councilen Bihauksi. Here, Councilen Bihauksi. Here, Councilen Bihauksi. Here.

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Here. Vice Mayor Iverson. Here. And here. Well, Connie. Here. Thank you. And now,

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everyone please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God in Israel with liberty and justice are all.

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Thank you. Next on our agenda is to adopt our agenda.

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and I know that we had one public comment on item F3, which is on our consents calendar,

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but aside from that, Madam City Manager, are there any changes to the proposed agenda?

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Honorable Mayor, there are no changes proposed to the agenda.

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So do I have a motion in a second to adopt the agenda?

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So moved.

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I'll second it. All in favor. Aye. The agenda is adopted. Next we have items for the good of this city and today we have a recognition to present to light up a window. And I would like to ask Carol

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Bravelli and Kim Wurtstrop who are co-leaders of this project to, if you are here, to the end of the podium, there you are.

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And before, you know, we'd love to hear from you about light up a window, but before we do that,

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I just wanted to say, I think this comes from the entire city council, this recognition,

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because what your organization did to literally bring joy and light to our community during the holiday season was truly wonderful.

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I cannot tell you how many comments of appreciation I heard throughout our community.

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And to have a vision like this and then just carry it through and also to carry it through in a way that is sustainable for years to come is quite an accomplishment.

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I can only imagine how many hours of work it took to make this happen.

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But it's just really the right you bought us, is something that's going to be appreciated.

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Was really appreciated by visitors, residents, alike, generationally children, you know, seniors, everyone,

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and would be felt for years to come. So thank you. And I know maybe other council members want to say something.

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I did. Well, I'm just thrilled by what you guys accomplished it. Thank you started it in the spring and you said you're going to get it done by November. And I thought, wow, this thing don't move that quickly with the city.

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But you guys did it and I'm just so pleased and it's just a lasting gift you've given to all of us individually into the city. So thank you so much.

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Yeah, it was so exciting and so lovely to be at the, you know, the opening and and have so many people there it was it was an incredible sense of community and it was just it was just amazing and I and I just like the mayor said the comments have just been marvelous it's been really nice to hear how many people enjoyed it and appreciated it.

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I'm also just so impressed with the work you did to raise the funds to do it so quickly

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and to bring so many community members together to do that,

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behalf of the entire community was stellar.

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Really a wonderful job and thank you for the work that went into that.

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And I will tell you that I've heard both,

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and was part of the impetus behind.

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Recognizing you, so I thank her for that.

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I do want to read our Certificate of Recognition

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is presented to light up a Rinda

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and recognition of your vision and hard work

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to make the community beautification project

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to wrap trees and downtown Rinda

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with white LED lights during the winter season

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and hosting a tree lighting ceremonial event

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a huge success.

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We thank you for making a Rinda

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such a special place to live.

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I don't know if you wanted, we'll take a picture, but I don't know if you wanted to say anything

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you're welcome to, you're not required to.

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Well, thank you very much for your support.

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We appreciate it.

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And we are looking forward to expanding the program next year and we'll be continuing to

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try to raise money in order to be able to do that.

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So we're grateful for your support.

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The comment that we had pretty much, it was 100% people from Arinda somehow associated

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with Arinda who were the donors.

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So between businesses, residents, realtors, it was just very exciting to see the enthusiasm.

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And I will ask the council to join me here with you for a picture.

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Good to see you.

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This is a really nice to be on.

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That's all we're going to call you.

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Good to see you.

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Good to be here.

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And next on our agenda item E is public forum. And we have the public forum is an opportunity for members of the public to address the council on items that are not on tonight's agenda. Additionally, speakers have the option of addressing the council on an item listed on the agenda. If you won't be present when that item is taken up.

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And so I know we have a couple other speaker cards here for public forums.

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So I will call those speakers to the podium, and if anyone else wants to speak, please

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fill out a speaker card, which is over here.

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Mr. Warnoff.

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Good evening.

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I'd like to speak tonight to some items that are not on tonight's agenda.

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First, Madam Mayor, when you were ran for office in 2022, one of the items in your campaign,

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one of your campaign, proposals was to hold town halls, and my memory isn't what

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it was when I was younger, but I do not recall the council holding any town halls.

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the last town hall. The closest thing I recall, I think, was when council member G was mayor

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and there was a quasi-town hall on the private roads and drains issue, which was very productive.

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The benefit of a town hall is that unlike the public forum or even unlike commenting on

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a agenda item, there's no back and forth when we comment here at a public forum, but in

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town hall, they can be some back and forth, obviously it has to be moderated, but I would

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urge you to do a lot of issues that a lot of residents have concerned about, and I would

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urge you to set up one or more town halls.

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evacuation, the environmental impact report, the update to the

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safety element or had a literal laundry list of evacuation, mitigation ideas, virtually

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all of which were to work. It's also in the documents. We're going to be studying, considered,

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evaluated. But what has been done? I think the Council owes it to the community to provide

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periodic status report updating the community on what is being done. You just take the laundry

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list, you have three columns. What we've done, what we're going to do, and when we're going

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to accomplish it by it. It's not that complicated. Most of all of you have managed companies,

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departments, people, it's a basic management 101 and third relating to housing. I think we

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are all old and update on what's happening with the CalTrans parcel. It is, in my opinion,

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as I have been saying too many times over the years, it is the key to unlock future housing

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development and no one knows what's happening with. I can tell you that I have gotten no response,

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whatsoever from the person who was identified as the person in charge. And I don't know if

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who's in charge of following up among the city staff, but I have sent emails, love, voicemails,

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etc., or to no avail. I would urge you to please provide an update. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comment.

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For public forum, next we have Michael Brown.

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Thank you.

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I wanted to come and speak to you tonight about the situation with the public safety as

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pertains to the leadership provided by the City Council.

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This is a subject that seems to have been kicked around from committee to committee.

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Ever since I've been here in the last 25 years.

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It'll go for a while and then the committee will get shut down, it'll get rolled into another

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subcommittee. The latest one, I believe you guys, the public safety subcommittee of the City Council,

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you shut down at the last City Council meeting two weeks ago, because of lack of civic engagement.

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But going back in the last four years, there've been a total of five meetings.

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Money, you know, basically just a report from the police department about what they did.

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You know, how many interactions they had, how many burglars, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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But no real outreach or leadership into the community.

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is sort of, we can see that in, you know, how our homeowners are adopting

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view and mitigation home hardening. And I think I would like to see more focused effort.

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I will say I've seen some amazing stuff coming out of the city. I think the people that

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are in the city hall, they know their stuff,

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they understand what the responsibilities are,

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and they are really interface to the police department,

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and they're interface to the fire department,

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but I think the citizens are getting left out

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of this conversation of the understanding

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of what really should be expected of them,

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and how they can be partners in their own survival

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so that we are not in that list of Northridge

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I'm Linda Maraga and wherever it is in the South Bay that was also in Michael Laura's report.

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So I'd like to see more active engagement on the part of the city council and leadership in that area.

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For public forum next we have Sineo Roger on.

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Hi, thanks for taking my comment.

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I think I'm here to talk about fire safety in general.

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I'm sorry, this microphone's a little bit low for you.

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I think there's three issues that are being

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conflated at once.

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One is mitigation, one is what happens

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the event of a disaster, and what happens with insurance.

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And I think it kind of benefits all of us

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to separate the...

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It was three, but I just want to express to the council that I think no one kind of knows what's happening with all three. And to next point, I think some very clear direction on what's happening would really help the community because I think there are a lot of worried people right now.

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And we're turning to you for leadership on this. So on the event of disaster side, I wouldn't be able to tell you what our evacuation routes are.

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I doubt any one of my neighbors would be able to tell you what they are.

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We'd all be in some serious trouble and we learned from the paradise fire that there

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were unclear evacuation routes, which led to the, led to the disaster there.

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On the mitigation side, we learned from tubs that power lines were the issues, main issue

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there.

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But there are other things that we're learning in real time about palicades.

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I'd love to see, you know, what we've learned and some sort of quick turnaround on, here's

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be plan on doing over the next few weeks because there are a lot of worried people out there

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with internet connections who have all of a sudden to come fire experts, don't leave it

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in their hands.

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You have to really take control of this issue in my opinion.

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And on the insurance issue, it does feel like there's stuff that can be done here proactively

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working with insurers on community mitigation measures to somehow bring down premiums.

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So it seems like there are a lot of people in the community

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who want to be activated on this issue and are willing to volunteer

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to remove harmful brush from things like schools, hospitals,

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whatever the city needs.

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So I guess my comment here is we really need your leadership right now.

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Clear direction and clear expression of what's going to happen over the next like

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three, six weeks before we head into the heart of fire season.

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So ask Cumberley for that as soon as possible.

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Thank you as well.

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Thank you, I'll feel a thoughtful comment.

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Do we have any, I don't see any other speaker cards for public forum.

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Would anyone in the audience also like to speak on public forum?

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OK, hearing none, I will close the public forum section of our agenda.

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Next, we have the consent calendar item F on our agenda.

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The consent calendar section of the agenda consists of items that are acted on in one motion,

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unless a council member or member of a public request that the council removed an item from the consent calendar for discussion.

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We have had a request to remove item F3 on impact fees from the agenda, so I'm going to request that that be done.

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Do I, or are there any other items from the consent, may I, I would like to just make a brief comment on F6, please?

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On F6, F6.

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And that's the one I wanted to pull as well.

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Other than F3 and F6, are there any other consent items that any council member wants to pull?

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Is do I have a motion and a second to adopt the consent calendar as amended, which would only include items F1, F2, F4 and F5?

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Second. Second. All in favour? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Then I think next on our agenda we

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would discuss item F3. Item F3 is the 2024 Impact fee report. AB 1600 and the recommendation

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is to receive and file the city of Orlando annual report of development impact fee funds for the year

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ended June 30, 2024. And I know we have a public comment on that before that, do we have a

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staff report or we could certainly, I could quickly do one, unfortunately Doug LSEO is home ill,

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he's on Zoom. He could potentially talk about it if that's your desire or if you just want to take

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the public comment on the item. I didn't know if there's any council member comments or questions about this item.

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Okay. If there are any, if there are no council member questions, then we will are there at this time.

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I had a question about the park dedication fees. Can you help me understand what those are and what they could be used for?

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So I'm going to take a, I wasn't here for when this was placed together, but typically what

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park dedication fees are is when you have new development that triggers the need for additional

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park facilities as a result of their development, then you would be collecting a fee to pay

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for those future facilities, and they would be paying their fair share of those, so they're not

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and can't be used for work to existing facilities, it's only for future facilities.

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You could use the fees for work that either expands or improves beyond current conditions,

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facilities that help to mitigate impacts of new development. So you could use them on existing

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facilities provided that it's about expanding the use of that facility. Thank you.

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Okay. Are there any other council member questions?

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Okay. Hearing none. I would like to call Mr.

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Warner. Would you be a public comment on this?

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I'm not as close to Neil.

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My comment is about what is, is about something that is not in the impact report,

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impact fee report. We are a city as we all know of very limited income, very limited sources

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of income. And my question is whether we are getting the maximum legal amounts of impact fees from

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developers. I raised this last year, probably raised it the year before, but I don't remember

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that far back, but it probably requires a nexus study. What I recall, I guess the head of administrative

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services is not here tonight did I hear that earlier, but I believe what he said last year when I

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this is that we had done one five years ago, four years ago, whatever he said, which doesn't

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really address the question of whether we're getting the maximum impact fees. The fact that we may

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be complying with AB whatever it is that means we're doing it legally, but I would urge someone

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to look into whether we are maximizing the impact, because once a preliminary application

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for a development is filed and a preliminary application isn't much more than some scratching

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on the back of an envelope, once that is filed everything that applies to that project

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is what was in place on that day. And if someone comes in with some project, you can't

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then say, oops, we wish we'd read, we had raised the impact fees. So I will once again

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make my plea to do what needs to be done, and be sure we are maximizing our fees. I think

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It's sort of obvious that if we're relying on a study that several years old and given the

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rate at which everything is getting more expensive, I think it would be safe to say it is

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unlikely we are maximizing our fees.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I don't see any other public comment speaker cards for item F3.

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Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak on this agenda item?

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Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it back to the council for discussion.

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I guess I have now what is maybe more of a question, which is,

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do we know if we are maximizing the impact fees in other ways?

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Do we have the ability to raise those fees for developers?

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and if we don't know about now, then I guess the question would be, is that something that can only

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can be done at any time or can it be done? So I think that we have three fees that we're talking

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about here. I don't know, the transportation impact fee is a regional fee, is that correct? And so

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the question we could find out whether or not they're charging the maximum fee as provided in their

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But I know they're also working on a feet update coming up as well, and so I don't know,

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see that if you can address whether or not they're charging the maximum fee.

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On the transportation impact fee and while see those walking up to the podium,

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we'll just comment on the park dedication fee.

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That's done.

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It's actually a quimbee fee.

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I don't want to explain quimbee fees that I can have.

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Oh, so try to explain them if you'd like.

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But basically you assess you take a look at the land value and that land value gets updated annually

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and then you assess your feed based on this formula that assumes land value.

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So that typically is that it's maximum.

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But I'll leave it over to Steven to talk about transportation.

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Thank you. We didn't make it in constant numbers.

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So for the transportation impact feed, we do have a separate

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finance authority, LFA, committee. We call it LAMONO NFI and finance authority. And through that,

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But whatever we collect, we collect fee, we collect, it's based on an access study that

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was done in 2017, that was the last update.

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So the committee has actually shown interest in revisiting that due to some of the recent

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improvements, so that is something they will be looking at this year as a possibility of either

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updating it or doing an access study.

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And that study determines how locations happen to 50% of the fee that's collected in the

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lower-end area, all the agencies put 50% of the money we collect into the regional

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part and then the other 50% gets spent locally, and that committee owes these those information.

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So I'm happy to answer any questions here.

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Okay.

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Are there any other types of fees we could charge or is there anything else like a wildfire

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mitigation fee or an evacuation plan fee or any other kinds of fees we're allowed to charge.

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Typically, there's based on projects that are expected to are anticipated in the coming years.

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This study, the last one, I believe they looked there at that time up to year 2040.

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But of course, things have changed quite significantly in the last few years.

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So, as far as defining parameters, they usually bring out a consultant on both to assess

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and provide guidance to the committee, so I think they will be looking at all those information, like we.

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I'll turn off the typical projects.

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I know a little bit about it since I said on the committee.

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Can you explain, again, that the fees are charged as Lama Indez.

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So the three communities are charging it.

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Can you explain a little bit about how it then gets sent back to,

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whether it's Lafayette or Render or Marag.

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Yeah, so like I said, the 50% of the fee we collect goes to the regional point and LaFair

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is the sign treasure for that, so they manage all the fees that collect gets collected

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by all three cities and the idea is to use that collective fund towards the project that will benefit

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the lumber in area.

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So one good example that we are working on right now is the upcoming signals update project,

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that is there is two components to it like a previous explain in one of four meetings is the

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Now only component we are getting some support from the transportation authority, but there

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is also a longer-indocomponent, but all of our 3 agencies are operating all of our signals.

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So the match funds for the federal funding we are receiving is coming from this 50% savings

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we put aside.

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Now, as far as who gets how much, the next study defines it actually, they assess it based

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on a complex formula, so how much development is going on, how much is it expected to collect

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and how the distribution builds.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any other question or discussion?

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So it sounds like we really can't do anything about these fees

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until or unless there's a new next-to-study.

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Typically, you don't have any, you don't modify your fee.

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Your fees get updated annually based on some index,

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whether that's the engineering news record index

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or CPI or something.

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They try to account for the change in construction costs

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because all these are typically related to capital projects.

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But ultimately, you have to revisit these fees every five to seven years typically.

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And you do that when there are significant changes in your environment,

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whether that's your capital project plan and or your population estimates,

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which I think, in this case, many of the agencies

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have had to go through updating their housing elements.

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And so you want to account for those new potential populations that you're zoning for

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and make sure that your fee is reflective, and your projects are reflective of the improvements

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that are going to have to be done to support the new populations.

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That is correct, yeah. So for the, there's on the current next story, the guidance is that we use the

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construction cost index data and that is something that gets updated every year. This year,

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I think we will be bringing that item for a consulate update next month.

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Let's come here.

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So for example, so this year is actually the fee is going down a little bit. I do not remember

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the exact value, but because of it's based on how much the CCA adjust itself on a certain

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month in a year. For so this is one time where actually because of the recent inflation,

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we are actually having a negative impact. So the fees are actually going slightly lower, very,

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Okay, but the next study isn't different thing, right?

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We're redoing the next study, and that we don't have,

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do you know when we'll have the results of that,

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did you say in the next month or two?

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No, no, that is, the committee will be reviewing that this is so staff will, yeah,

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the LFFA will get input from staff, and our understanding of this point

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is we will likely have an outside consultant brought in, that will be the first step,

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and then they'll work with staff and the committee to update the study.

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And historically, when we've read down the next study,

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has it usually resulted in the fees increasing in that transportation impact fee?

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You know?

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I do not have enough background.

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I mean, the fee is ultimately a function of how many projects you're loading into the fee program, right?

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So, if you're keeping your program, your fee is the same,

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maybe you've gotten some grant funding to offset some of the capital costs you potentially could

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see go down. I'm not very familiar with a lot of feet programs that go down over time. They typically

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increase over time because there's usually more projects you start adding into your feet program.

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Okay. Thank you. Any other discussion? Oh, just that it seemed like the city manager had covered

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park and transportation. Do you have any comments on the development fee?

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Which one, I'm sorry, the drainage and the development field is one of the three that we addressed.

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You talked about the first two, but there's been no, you didn't address the development fee.

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Next is study update potentially, or any potential changes to the development impact.

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So three here that which all, in their totality or development impact fees, right?

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So the part dedication fee, drainage impact fee and transportation impact fee.

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I might missing, are there any other fees that we're charging?

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Those are the three that we charge, as part of the sum of the development impact fees out of it.

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Yeah,

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thanks.

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And what's your recommendation on whether or not we should get a new Nexus study?

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So you typically want new studies done every five to seven years,

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unless you have in that intervening period of time any major changes.

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But it's seven years, right?

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So, yes.

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So, LFFA is going to be updating and doing a new nexus study.

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You are doing that.

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That is correct.

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They are working towards getting an update done for the transportation

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impact fee.

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The impact dedication fee doesn't necessarily need it because it's based

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on land value.

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So, I guess the only other one we would need to consider is the drainage

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impact fee and see that I don't know when the last time was.

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We did an update on the drainage impact fee.

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But you might know.

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And I don't know how substantial that fee is.

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I apologize, I could look bad up and find out.

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Yeah, I know, sorry, but at least not, since I've been here, at least not in the last five years,

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but it's kind of-

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We'll take a look at that.

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But that could probably go to that small background on there and first.

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And does the transportation fee include the wear and tear on the roads from our

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hollers, no, which fees that.

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That's the vehicle impact fee that's associated with the recycled smart program.

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But that doesn't come into this section.

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But the next study can help.

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Can focus on that as well, can't you?

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So yeah, typically when those that fee tries to get adjusted,

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they will conduct some sort of nexus analysis.

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It takes a slightly different form.

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It talks about impact that those vehicles have on the roads and what impact

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that has on the asphalt.

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But would it make sense to do both at the same time?

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These fees and that fee, it doesn't, they don't have to be connected, no.

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No, because the impact fees that he's charging are not for repair to existing road race and the fee that you're referring to is about repair.

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And it's not subject to AB 1600 rules.

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Okay, but I think it's been, you know, seven years, for so since we did it for vehicle.

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Yes, and we will be doing it again as part of, in terms of the recycled smart conversation.

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So that will be happening. I believe David said that that's scheduled to be evaluated next year.

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2026. Okay. I think the concern there though is that it may be going the wrong way.

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That's a big part of why we haven't pushed any harder on that, because one of the components of the garbage impact is the amount of money you're spending on capital projects.

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And because we repaired all the roads, our expenditures have gone down.

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So I think there's some concern that a new nexus study on that is not going to be in our favor.

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Any other discussion on item F3?

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Thank you, city engineer for filling it.

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And if he wants to stay up there.

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I'm told you might want to stay close for their next item.

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Okay, so that concludes our discussion of F3 and moving on also from we will move on to item F6, which is to accept work and approve record plans for the San Pablo Creek Colbert repair project and city project member for 187 and authorizes city clerk to sign and file a notice of completion with the contricost accounting clerk recorder.

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And the recommendation is to adopt a resolution number 225 to accept that work and approve those plans.

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With that, do we want to have a staff report?

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Are there questions from the council?

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I just had a comment.

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So if council member do you want to do first?

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I just had a quick.

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Yeah.

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I just had a comment to the reason I went to progress.

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Before a comment, can I just see if there's any public comment?

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I don't have any cards for item of sex,

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but I just, is there any member of the public here

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who would like to speak on item of sex?

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Okay, seeing none, I will close public comment.

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How's the number G?

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I just wanted to pour it this item,

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see for you in Scott and the department

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because I'm not sure how often people realize how rare it is

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to have a public works project

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that not only comes in on budget, but slightly under budget.

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than I, and I know that to me, this was a job of very, very good proactive planning by what

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you had in the documents, you know, making provision for things, which part of the reason

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the price went down is you didn't need to use it, so that showed, you know, good forward

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thinking.

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But I think it's important.

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I think it's important to call out and let our residents know on occasion what a good

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You know, we are doing and delivering things and how good of stewards that we're being with the money.

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So I just wanted to take the moment to complement all of you because bringing a project in, you know,

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on budget and even slightly under budget is really to be commended because it is, as you know,

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not a common occurrence in the public works world.

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The first thing that usually happens on day one of any public works project is something is different than what was expected.

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And so it's very hard to do.

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So I just wanted to say thank you.

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And the men do for doing such a good job.

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Thank you.

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Well, I had the exact same comment, except I qualified it.

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Because I am always so jaded when I see a 20% contingency

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and I'm always saying, you know, it seems like the numbers

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are always padded, construction costs always go up.

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And you brought this in 60,000 under the quote,

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plus you use none of the contingency for a collective

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savings of $366,000 of taxpayer money, but we can now use

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on other stuff. So I'm just so grateful that you guys were so

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respectful of taxpayer money to save money every chance you got

443
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,860
and to not use the contingency. So thank you. Thank you. I can't take

444
00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,700
too much credit for this. I'm starting here. Oh, I've got it.

445
00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:57,620
Yeah, the team being me is already dead. We had some amazing staff actually

446
00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:03,300
very, like you said, I'm concerned number, they were very proactive because this project actually

447
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:08,480
involved a lot of easements that we had to secure. There were a lot of strategies that

448
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,740
were put in place and time spent ahead of time before we got into construction, along with

449
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:16,760
a good contractor, I should credit the contractor to, they were very willing to work with us,

450
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,660
very ahead of like their schedule and kept to their work. So everything came into place. So thank

451
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:31,480
is on much further appreciation. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Councilmember Gianfist Mayri

452
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,660
Richardson for the recognition. I think it's very well deserved and it's important to,

453
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:41,280
you know, to recognize when the planes land well, not just when we have something that goes,

454
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:51,960
because the way we don't want it. Any other discussion on item F6? Okay. And so, in that case,

455
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:59,880
Um, do we have a motion to adopt resolution number to 25 to accept the work and approve

456
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:05,500
record plans for the San Pablo Creek Covert Repair Project to say it in the agenda?

457
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,100
I'll move approval of resolution 0 to dash 25.

458
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,880
Well, second. Okay. All in favour? Aye. Any opposed?

459
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:26,560
Hearing none, that vote is unanimous, and the city clerk reminded me that I did not call for a vote on item F3, so I'd like to go back and do that.

460
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:36,500
And the recommendation is to receive and file the city of a Render Annual Report of Development Impact Feef funds for the year ended June 30, 2024.

461
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,880
Do I have a motion to do that?

462
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:40,760
So moved.

463
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:41,580
Second.

464
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:42,600
Okay.

465
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:43,620
All in favor?

466
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:44,220
Hi.

467
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:45,420
Any opposed?

468
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,460
And that also passes unanimously.

469
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:55,270
Next, that moves us on to item G, which is public hearing.

470
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:58,270
And since there are no public hearing items tonight,

471
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:01,210
that moves us right into our policy matters.

472
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:10,790
The first policy matter is H1, which is the final design concept for Crossroads Park,

473
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:16,690
CIP project number 4103, and related actions.

474
00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:23,770
And so I will ask for the staff report.

475
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:32,490
On both Mayor, we're going to turn it over to Todd Trimble. He's going to our Parks Director. We'll be taking this item tonight for the team.

476
00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:38,770
Thank you very much. Good evening. Mayor, City Council for the record. Todd Trimble Parks and Recreation Director.

477
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:50,710
I know not alone, completely. For sure we have Eric. Eric is here from Gates and Associates in Scottish. I think on soon as well to answer any questions.

478
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:55,930
And just make sure that we can all hear you to lean a little bit more into that microphone.

479
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:57,970
So our whole audience can hear you.

480
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:58,310
Thank you, Director.

481
00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:00,410
Check one two.

482
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:11,730
Well, we have, we don't have a specific outline to know what we have as a series of visuals that we can reference and look at.

483
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:15,710
As needed, what we're just going to briefly go through.

484
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:21,110
We call a couple of meetings ago we have this item on and we didn't have time to get to it.

485
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:27,230
So I'm just going to go back and kind of briefly bring this up to speed and I have to

486
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:33,950
say that we've been talking about this project for a long time, Eric's even been dealing

487
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:42,930
with it longer than I have, but at the previous meeting we did talk about the,

488
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:45,690
what we're

489
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:51,470
that, which was going to be basically just a little bit of removal of some hard

490
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:57,670
scape with no replacement, a little bit of adding of landscaping and the gateway

491
00:42:57,670 --> 00:43:02,250
site. We brought that up. We had some discussions. We looked at it again and the

492
00:43:02,250 --> 00:43:07,010
recommendation was to go back and come back with a more expanded landscape plan.

493
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:14,150
Similar to the original concept several years ago, continue with the removal and

494
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:19,610
replacement of that portion of the side, what you see in green, and then do the complete

495
00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:26,330
replacement and removal of the replacement of the irrigation and the landscaping. Including

496
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:30,590
even the original design included some screened trees along the back. They're approximately

497
00:43:30,590 --> 00:43:39,670
10 to 14 trees along the back side there. And no changes at that point to the hard-scape. So that's

498
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:40,730
So we landed,

499
00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:47,450
and so we're about to back now, we also had some discussion regarding the

500
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:53,110
sign and the original phone design that we had looked at, we looked at a variety of kind

501
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:57,990
of kept going through the years of different options that we're looked at and presented

502
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:58,870
in.

503
00:44:00,430 --> 00:44:06,370
And most recent meeting, the reference to the recommendation was to look at the fin sign.

504
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:09,650
So we're back to kind of answer any questions.

505
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:17,310
We can go through and verify and confirm the concept of this,

506
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,210
this most recent design and then answer any questions you might have

507
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:25,110
about the sign, or things that I've mostly said funding and so on.

508
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:29,330
So we also have a couple of numbers of the room to garden club in addition

509
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:34,150
to Janet here today to answer any questions you may have regarding that.

510
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:54,070
I would just, first of all, thank you Todd for the summary overview, I think one of the things we wanted to try and address between the last meeting when it got continued to now is really try to get the commitments sort of solidified from the two groups that have expressed interest.

511
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:59,970
They were into community foundation which is committed funding and then the garden club and I think that.

512
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,560
A conversation with the Garden Club sort of started to evolve and expand some and we wanted to see about them getting more engaged in this process and having them be a partner in helping us with the plant selection for this area.

513
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:26,900
Of course, anyone who drives out there can see that most of that landscaping has reached the end of its useful life and needs to be replaced in its entirety. It would really help to do that and do so in partnership with the Garden Club.

514
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:33,360
working with gates on trying to, you know, cite the plants and select those plant materials.

515
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:41,700
And then, of course, on the sign design itself, you know, that was, you know, that's gone through

516
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:47,480
many iterations. There's certainly members in the community who would like to talk about it as a

517
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,980
piece of public art that's certainly an option for the council to consider. I think in the staff report,

518
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,720
we just wanted to note that if you do want to go down that path, I think that is a different

519
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:02,020
process and we can sort of have a place folder there for when we can get to moving forward

520
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:07,360
with a public art piece if that's so what you desire. In the meantime, you know, we can still

521
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:14,000
look at moving forward with a gateway monument feature. If the sort of shape of the sign is

522
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:19,940
satisfactory to the city council, we can sort of look at that. But if you're interested in changing

523
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:26,620
perhaps the color of the concrete or the fonts that are being used, we can dabble around

524
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:30,980
little bit more with that and come back to you with other options. But we wanted to make sure we were

525
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:36,040
bringing you something that was a little bit more comprehensive. We have commitments now. We've talked

526
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,020
with the Garden Club and I know that they really want to help put this project together and I think

527
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:45,520
for those that might be here representing them if they want to come up and talk a little bit about that.

528
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:51,660
We'd certainly appreciate it. And we look forward to putting this to bed soon or rather than later.

529
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,620
And I'm sure you don't disagree with me because we've been talking about it for quite some time.

530
00:46:55,620 --> 00:47:02,600
And we can try and move on to the next step of getting making this happen, so that's all I have to say. Thank you.

531
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:03,300
Okay.

532
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,580
Council questions. I know that we got funds.

533
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Council member.

534
00:47:09,020 --> 00:47:10,080
I have one question.

535
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:16,660
Can you because I keep forgetting to look, is the fountain intended to operate?

536
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:18,040
Is it back to operating?

537
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,360
It's been operating for a few months.

538
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:24,680
And it's intended to operate as part of this plan, right?

539
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,640
Yes, no change to the hard scape including the ballot.

540
00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:36,300
Is there a safety reason for removing the sidewalk there that just

541
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:37,020
beautification?

542
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,040
I think it's a combination of safety, visibility.

543
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:48,300
It's always been PG&E's intent as well to do whatever we

544
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:53,860
can to ensure just straight traversing through that area and not

545
00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:59,320
lingering and stuff even though they've taken it down from two, there's two pathways through

546
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:06,260
their, or you might know. So I think it was more of, I think, on our and more of a visibility

547
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:11,240
aspect to remove the sidewalk, that would be a front of the gateway sign and have just

548
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,520
better overall site too.

549
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:20,870
Any other other questions about this? I was still trying to understand the

550
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:49,370
So there's the cost projection that $317,000 estimate or the sign and the concrete removal and new plants and is that the total cost of the project and what we are understanding is that the $50,000 donation would go towards that.

551
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:54,770
What about donations of plant materials with that reduce this cost at all?

552
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:59,470
There's potential for both of those unless Scott corrects me.

553
00:48:59,930 --> 00:49:05,090
That is the estimate of the design and construction.

554
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:14,830
It does not include the potential donations and in kind types of services that could come late.

555
00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:22,090
In this $120,000 for signage, that includes this gateway sign with the mosaic sign be more

556
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:23,130
than this gateway sign.

557
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:27,130
You don't have an estimate on what the public art sign would cost at this point.

558
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:33,570
But presumably, I believe in the original submittal that the artist made.

559
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:38,810
She referenced her sign being 50,000 that didn't take into account the structural components

560
00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:40,390
that would then put it up.

561
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:45,370
design and any engineering work that soft costs that would go along with that.

562
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:47,210
So.

563
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:52,190
And so this would come out of this city's.

564
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:56,110
What budget of the cities would the money to do this come from?

565
00:49:56,110 --> 00:49:58,250
This would come out of budget funds 700.

566
00:49:59,430 --> 00:50:01,610
And I think Doug could be more.

567
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:06,470
Probably better suited to discuss its general fund.

568
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:13,750
I think there is a CIP. I'm sure the city manager is correct there.

569
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:19,430
So the program program project has assumed a certain amount of funding.

570
00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:24,210
We're obviously seeking additional funding so that we can complete the project.

571
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:29,470
The revenue that we would receive from either the R into community foundation or the in kind

572
00:50:29,470 --> 00:50:32,310
cost associated with the plantings,

573
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:36,550
select, you know, the actual plants would come in.

574
00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:38,750
We would book that as a revenue against the expenses.

575
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:43,690
So we would still say that the expense that we're showing in this report is the expense

576
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:48,140
we're expected to make, but we would have offsetting revenue that would then.

577
00:50:49,150 --> 00:50:55,620
And how much has been set aside in the capital improvement project budget or this item?

578
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:57,620
I'll let Todd answer your question.

579
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,800
I'm sorry.

580
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,820
I'm sorry.

581
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,860
I could answer that.

582
00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:02,900
Todd, this is Scott.

583
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:04,620
If you'd like.

584
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:05,720
Truth.

585
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,740
Scott, you have it.

586
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:07,460
I'm on in Scott.

587
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Oh, OK.

588
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,200
Good.

589
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Good evening, city council.

590
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:15,740
So the current budget does have this available balance of

591
00:51:15,740 --> 00:51:20,160
106,000, which includes the presumption of

592
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,260
50,000 from the Arinda Community Foundation.

593
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,880
So that's, if you look at the table,

594
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,900
reflected as that available balance is 106,000.

595
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:36,160
So if you take that away from the estimated cost

596
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:41,920
to complete a 363,000, that's where we come up with

597
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,560
this shortfall at 257,000.

598
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:49,080
And the source of that money could either be

599
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:57,980
completely from funds 700, the CIP project fund, which is appropriated each year, typically

600
00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:04,380
there's a contribution that we recommend, and it's usually from the general fund in fact

601
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:13,120
is where it comes from, and that then would be reduced further from any donation we get

602
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:20,040
commitment we get from the Garden Club or perhaps additional donations from the OCA from the

603
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:27,180
Rinda Community Foundation, or as was brought up possible in-kind plan contributions.

604
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:36,260
So the worst case would be that entire amount would come from the city's CIP fund number 700

605
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:39,040
is the Capital Improvement Project Fund.

606
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:42,900
So, I'll share.

607
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:45,020
It's got a little bit confused,

608
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:52,660
because I thought the 106 did not include any of our private donation groups,

609
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,080
but it sounds like you just said,

610
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:00,460
the commitment for 50 from the community foundation is inside the 106,

611
00:53:00,980 --> 00:53:03,960
but the other ones, the Garden Club and other groups would be outside it.

612
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:04,720
Did I hear that correctly?

613
00:53:05,860 --> 00:53:14,540
That's correct. Yeah, it does include 50,000, which we don't have it in pocket, so to speak, but we have confirmed that commitment.

614
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,480
And we had in the past, which is why we kind of inked it in as a donation.

615
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:30,360
The portion from the community foundation that may possibly come about is if they decide to increase their donation,

616
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:37,340
which they weren't willing to commit to, based on TOS, most recent conversation with them.

617
00:53:41,790 --> 00:53:44,570
Okay, so I'm sorry. Any other questions?

618
00:53:46,490 --> 00:54:00,230
Okay, so it seems like 120,000 of the 257,000 shortfall is the sign itself, not the rest of the work.

619
00:54:00,230 --> 00:54:04,530
Is there any way to do the sign in a less expensive way?

620
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:10,610
That's a Scott question Scott, do you have any health?

621
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:17,310
There's always ways to reduce costs for things like signage.

622
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:27,770
You know, we could do a really bare-bone sign, but based on the council meeting back in October,

623
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:36,870
You know, there was a pretty great interest in the signage as kind of the central part of the project was really at that point in time.

624
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:41,310
The signage was the key thing, even more so than the landscape.

625
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:50,810
Now, you know, I realize as people digest this project more that that sentiment may have changed, it seems to.

626
00:54:50,810 --> 00:55:14,490
Again, the housing dollars includes the foundation and the wall itself that the sign would be kind of made into, even with what we consider the least costly sign option being the so-called fin design that we depicted in the slides there, so to speak.

627
00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:20,530
So, I mean, you know, that could be reduced some with a less complex sign.

628
00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:28,350
You know, that's not a very elaborate sign, but I mean, there's ways to make it less costly.

629
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:32,010
I don't know how much you'd save and, you know,

630
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:35,610
Eric might even be able to speak it out a little further.

631
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:41,670
I know that Gates and Associates has pretty, I'd say, extensive experience

632
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:48,290
experience and monument signage like that. I believe they may have done one for possibly

633
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:55,650
Pittsburgh within the last few years. So if you like Eric might speak to that more.

634
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:02,640
I mean, the short answer is, yeah, you can always do something cheaper just the question of what's

635
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:08,980
going to be deemed acceptable and what he wants. For a sign of roughly that scale, I don't think you

636
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:13,720
get it for much less than say 50, 60,000, obviously, depending on the materials of this, we are

637
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:17,140
going to be somewhat limited and what the materials are because of the overhead transmission

638
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:21,380
lines, basically no metal. Other materials would be optional.

639
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:26,400
So, yes, but we would just need to

640
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,640
understand what you guys want.

641
00:56:32,260 --> 00:56:36,740
One thing that it appeared to me from the communications from

642
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:47,020
artist was that if the prior estimate of the most they

643
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:53,900
signed was at 170,000 and the artist wrote an email saying that

644
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:59,840
is not my estimate, it's 120,000 more than my understanding is

645
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,780
that the approximate, again, we don't have an exact estimate, but the

646
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:08,700
approximate difference between a thin like sign,

647
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,220
or the estimate in this budget,

648
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,000
which includes only foundation and wall,

649
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,500
and the mosaic sign would be about 50,000 more

650
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:19,100
to do a mosaic sign, is that a fair assumption?

651
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,920
I wasn't 100% clear on the quote from the RSA,

652
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,280
exactly what that entails.

653
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:25,660
So we had a couple of months ago

654
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:27,440
when he provided several options for signs.

655
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:29,580
I kicked that to a sign company,

656
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:34,880
you know, hey, rough costs, how much would it, you know, would it cost me to get us to build

657
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,420
these different types of walls. One of them being, um, one of these walls with a

658
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:47,560
mosaic option kind of kind of by the artist, right? And so we put that 50,000 on top of what

659
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:53,100
the sign manufacturer would put together. Now, how those two milled together was not 100% clear

660
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:58,200
to me. Okay. Any, I have one more question, but are there any other questions?

661
00:57:59,580 --> 00:58:09,960
my colleagues. So my other question is, I assume that the plantains and the sign with the plantains

662
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:17,820
will be fire savvy in consistent with the plant's first high-of-savvy landscape that the garden club

663
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:25,720
developed and that the sign would also be of materials and that in generating this is something

664
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,220
we're talking to chief Isaacs about, or I'm off to.

665
00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:32,080
Yeah, I believe that the sign would be constructed

666
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,980
of some concrete material, which should be.

667
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,180
Yeah, almost, I mean, almost not a percent

668
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:38,140
it would probably be concrete.

669
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:39,600
Okay, thank you.

670
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:41,980
Any other questions?

671
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:43,420
Okay.

672
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:47,100
If that concludes the staff report,

673
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,800
then I'll move into public comment

674
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:53,360
and for item H1, we have Mr. Warnoff.

675
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:05,700
Did any of you actually read the stuff that was submitted, did you read?

676
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:17,740
The Judge Hammond submission where he said, the council needs to distinguish between the really nice and the really critical.

677
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:20,320
Have you sat through this meeting?

678
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:25,380
We had this gentleman in the back begging for some leadership on public safety.

679
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:36,560
We had Samir Rajaraman explaining the three aspects of the community right concern about wildfire,

680
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:39,750
you hope for me.

681
00:59:40,570 --> 00:59:44,790
And we're spending all this time, month after month,

682
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:53,410
on something that's all only of interest to some landscape architects and some bureaucrats.

683
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:59,970
Nobody gives a rat's behind about this park. Nobody works through there during people who say,

684
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,240
May it are the two cars stopped in front when the light is red. I mean, I've been through there. You've got the new

685
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:15,260
no right turn on red sign that if you know the person blinds you $10,000 on that sign, you know how

686
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:24,360
that that installed because someone said had a TSOC meeting that he saw a near collision. And the next

687
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:32,160
you know the city spending $10,000 on that. I can't believe this is funded in the CIP with

688
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:38,460
really important unfunded stuff in there. There's a saying you all have heard it. Don't throw

689
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:45,640
good money after bed. But a lid on this. You've got a sign already there. You've got whatever's there.

690
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,860
Let's talk about and spend some money on something important.

691
01:00:49,860 --> 01:01:06,860
Instead of wasting time and sitting money on this, this is an absolute disgrace, we are in an existential crisis and you are worried about whether there is some mosaic on some sign, folks ought to be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

692
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:09,700
yourself collectively.

693
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,280
Okay, is there any, I do not see any other speaker cards for this item?

694
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:25,900
Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak on that?

695
01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:35,700
Thank you.

696
01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:37,260
Michael Brown, correct?

697
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,500
I just identified so there.

698
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:39,560
Thank you.

699
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:49,140
So, Nix, I'm not going to add to his passionate comments on this particular thing,

700
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,900
But personally, I have a couple of thoughts

701
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:54,020
that I don't know if anybody's brought up before,

702
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,160
but I do think I've walked through that park.

703
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,580
It's miserable, I don't think there's anything you do

704
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:06,780
to make it not miserable with everything that's around it.

705
01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:09,040
It is, unless you're going to take out

706
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,220
communal Pablo, the exit from the freeway,

707
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,480
the power lines and the stop light,

708
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,100
it's never going to be anything but a miserable petageer.

709
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:31,020
And I'd like having a sign for Rinda, but I think you need to consider a sign that's disposable because the likelihood of a car coming through there and putting a giant dent in our $120,000 sign. This is welcome to a Rinda.

710
01:02:32,420 --> 01:02:47,080
I mean, there's almost 100% likelihood of that happening. So I definitely think you need to consider that any money that you spend on this park is disposable and you can replace it tomorrow like that and it will be a bother to you because it's going to happen.

711
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:49,400
So, thank you.

712
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:51,040
Thank you.

713
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:57,900
Did we have any other public comment on item H1, the crossroads of any park?

714
01:03:01,490 --> 01:03:03,270
Seeing none, I will close public comment.

715
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:10,330
I will note for the record that we did get received several written items of public comment

716
01:03:10,330 --> 01:03:14,570
some that are in the communications packet and some that were received after.

717
01:03:16,570 --> 01:03:18,050
Can I ask another question?

718
01:03:18,050 --> 01:03:29,530
But do I? Well, I'll open it up for discussion. Okay, Mike's my colleagues and Councilmember Hocksy. So what could we do with the garden clubs help in the $50,000 donation?

719
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:38,970
To beautify that corner because it does look kind of ugly right now, but not actually spend additional resources of the city. Is that possible?

720
01:03:40,610 --> 01:03:47,930
Perhaps it wouldn't involve a big sign. I do worry about that sign sticking out too close to the roadway and it could be hit. I agree with Mr. Brown.

721
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:52,370
And it's also not that easy to see.

722
01:03:54,090 --> 01:04:02,550
Is there some other way to achieve the benefit of improving that corner without spending additional city resources?

723
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:05,390
Does anyone want to?

724
01:04:05,970 --> 01:04:17,290
There is a somewhat of a long history of trying to upgrade this many park that goes back.

725
01:04:17,290 --> 01:04:27,110
I think precedes even most of us here on the council in that years ago, there was funding

726
01:04:27,110 --> 01:04:31,310
donated or anticipated and

727
01:04:33,450 --> 01:04:40,340
I think there's a sense that this has been pending for so

728
01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:40,660
long.

729
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,240
I guess what I'm saying is a question you're asking now is sort of questions that I think

730
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,500
have been revisited in the past and after a lot of studies,

731
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:53,880
it seems like it's really come down to there.

732
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,480
Isn't really a way to do this?

733
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,360
We either have to do it or not.

734
01:04:59,620 --> 01:05:01,880
Like we can't just, if we do it cheap,

735
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:03,780
it's not gonna look good.

736
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:06,780
If you go there and I walk through there this weekend

737
01:05:06,780 --> 01:05:08,360
and anticipation of this.

738
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,120
The landscape is a lot of it's dying.

739
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160
it looks really bad, you know.

740
01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:22,060
So, I mean, it does have to be upgraded, and these are the funds.

741
01:05:22,220 --> 01:05:25,540
We've gotten so many estimates on this, and so this is where it's sort of landed at,

742
01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:27,820
I don't know if anyone else wants to chime in on them.

743
01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:36,530
I guess I would say that it's been around long enough that we actually have reduced the

744
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:38,610
potential investment in it quite substantially.

745
01:05:41,290 --> 01:05:48,110
So, I mean, we can certainly continue along the lines of do nothing, but the reality is

746
01:05:49,110 --> 01:06:04,110
We're not going to get a whole lot for, I mean we've already downsized it significantly and we took so long that we actually the community foundation was going to invest 250,000 in it and pulled the money away. We waited so long so.

747
01:06:04,690 --> 01:06:05,630
That's unfortunate.

748
01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:07,350
Yes, very unfortunate.

749
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:17,630
I, I feel hopeful that there's more money out there that, um, I mean, did you just look

750
01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:23,630
at our two, uh, light up a rinda fundraisers? I mean, they put together a lot of money very

751
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:30,010
quickly for a community cause. And if there is that similar effort where somebody, or lots

752
01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:34,850
of people are joining together the Garden Club, we haven't mentioned rotary. I mean, we should

753
01:06:34,850 --> 01:06:38,670
approaching rotary as well as the community foundation.

754
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:47,870
So, I'm in the private money, Carol and Kim got tons of private money, so not, you know,

755
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:48,550
organization money.

756
01:06:48,690 --> 01:07:00,790
So I feel like there's more out there if we set up this programmer project as it is where donations

757
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:04,170
is coming later and it reduces the actual cost in the end.

758
01:07:04,510 --> 01:07:08,510
I mean, it's a scary number right now, but if you bring in a couple hundred thousand dollars

759
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:13,910
over maybe a couple years, maybe it doesn't come in the next few months, you're looking

760
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:14,250
good.

761
01:07:14,350 --> 01:07:15,750
It's a reasonable cost.

762
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:26,870
And then the other approach is that I'm thinking of is a phased in approach or, and I don't

763
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:34,750
how you do that, where do you start in the front, where do you start in the back?

764
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:42,430
You know, what is it that's going to, I don't know, make a difference initially because I think

765
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:48,510
this all has been, people have been unhappy about the way it looks because they took away the

766
01:07:48,510 --> 01:07:54,190
screen of the building. It's really ugly to look at and it's where we enter our city. It's a gateway.

767
01:07:54,190 --> 01:08:00,270
So maybe you've put in the trees first so that you start growing your trees to shield the buildings.

768
01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:04,250
I don't know. Those are just my thoughts. We could face in it. We can get more money.

769
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:10,670
We can find some big dynamo fundraisers to help us coordinate several sources out there.

770
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:13,720
Other comments?

771
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:21,260
I would agree on council member Rowley. I do think this probably more private money that would be willing to donate.

772
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:29,700
What I would love to see happen is with the Garden Club's assistance to me this could be like really what you said madam mayors

773
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:38,780
We need to use our fires have a plants. We need to make it like a demonstration garden. I would love to see the plants that could be the most blooming the most beautiful

774
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:48,960
And again, just it's just it's not really a park. It's a focal point. I do think the trees are important because the screening has really what been

775
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,580
the massive thing that's changed that corner.

776
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,740
On the sign, I would suggest, and I don't know if this is possible,

777
01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:01,120
and offer a lot of the public art in this community has been donated.

778
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:08,740
I don't know if there's a way that part of the cost of having a better sign than what's out there

779
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:14,040
would be, you know, that perhaps there's somebody in the artistic community that would want to contribute

780
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,720
part of it in some way, shape or form.

781
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:17,400
I don't know.

782
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:23,120
And I don't know if that's what our Parks and Rec and Urban Art Committees were considering

783
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,120
or not.

784
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:27,620
But I'd be open to thinking about that.

785
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:36,500
I don't think, I completely hear what people are saying, it's certainly very very important

786
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:40,680
that we focus on a lot of key things that we're going to be talking about when it comes

787
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,440
to evacuation.

788
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,340
Fire, all the things the community is very focused on and rightfully so.

789
01:09:46,340 --> 01:09:54,300
But that doesn't mean that we drop every single other aspect of our community and I think finishing this off and

790
01:09:54,300 --> 01:10:01,320
and I think what's out there right now does look particularly sad and you know it and and quite frankly

791
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:09,600
have going to almost every community in the county. We are about the only community that doesn't have a fairly decent gateway.

792
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:19,980
Even communities that would be considered substantially different from a Renda have much, much better looking gateways to their community.

793
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:27,060
It's always been a real source spot with me that we seem to have so little civic pride in that area.

794
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:36,740
So I certainly think doing the landscaping part, really using it as a great demonstration of what can be done landscaping wise

795
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:40,700
And then maybe evaluating whether there are options for the sign.

796
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:45,560
So I don't think the sign, I would like to see something nice,

797
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:49,800
but you know, and I do think that Council Member Riley's correct.

798
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,960
I mean, when I look at how much money was amassed so quickly over the light up Arinda,

799
01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:00,920
I'd be hopeful that, you know, as much as the community is very focused on,

800
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:03,700
very important issues, more important issues than focal points.

801
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:09,640
But still, I think there's some desire to have our community be a nice looking place.

802
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:14,920
So.

803
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:15,480
Councillor Stroud.

804
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:26,240
Can we talk a little bit more about the public art challenge and the, you know, the issues that come down the road if we use an artist.

805
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:37,740
Sure. So I think one of the things that in communities that want to use public art in very visible places has to consider is that there's intellectual property rights that.

806
01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:41,020
with the artist would maintain.

807
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:45,320
So if you ever wanted to change anything about it,

808
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:47,520
you'd have to go through a process with the artist

809
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,280
to figure out any modifications to that piece of art.

810
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:57,160
The maintenance of those pieces of art typically has to

811
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,100
engage and involve the artist on an ongoing basis.

812
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:03,160
So you need to make sure you keep connected with the artist

813
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,060
over time and sometimes artists leave the area.

814
01:12:07,060 --> 01:12:11,580
they moved to different countries and then you're trying to track them down to get their involvement

815
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:20,520
in the maintenance of it. Is it possible, though, that you can have an agreement where they

816
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,600
sort of relinquish that to you or whatever?

817
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:35,010
Yes, you can, but there are limits, right? So as an example,

818
01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:45,010
You couldn't change the look of it in a way that the artist would disagree with, right, that would misrepresent their artistic vision.

819
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:47,930
So it can all be contracted through, it's just more complicated.

820
01:12:49,170 --> 01:12:55,530
The other thing that I think the same Andrew is probably about to say is that it's appropriate to do a competitive process.

821
01:12:57,750 --> 01:13:02,690
You typically, that's what's done in situations like this and we haven't had that process yet.

822
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:06,490
So, okay.

823
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:10,450
Well, the public comment or are we doing our conversation?

824
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:13,250
Yeah, I think we're doing our conversation.

825
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:18,930
I'd love to just say a monetary word about the art question because I...

826
01:13:18,930 --> 01:13:20,490
It's one I've given a lot of thought too.

827
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:24,930
I thought the letter from the artists that we got after our last meeting was really impactful.

828
01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:26,610
She made a lot of good points.

829
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:33,310
I spent a lot of time looking at our whole portfolio and thinking about the points that she made in the art

830
01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:36,250
and the direction that she was specifically given.

831
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:39,810
But as we've now have gone through the process,

832
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:41,850
I have come to the conclusion

833
01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:44,790
that this is not the appropriate occasion

834
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:48,070
for a public art piece.

835
01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:51,410
I actually love our art and public places committee.

836
01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:55,070
I think they've made public art a signature feature

837
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:56,130
of the Rinda community.

838
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:58,550
And so it's gonna be a reason

839
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:59,710
why we would make an exception

840
01:13:59,710 --> 01:14:01,170
and have a piece of public art.

841
01:14:01,170 --> 01:14:05,610
But this is our, it's our monument, it's just our sign.

842
01:14:06,130 --> 01:14:09,510
It is not, I don't think the right place for art

843
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:11,770
and especially not to try to get something donated

844
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:14,950
where there's even less creative control.

845
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:19,370
I'm fine with something that is classic and timeless,

846
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:22,270
and just does the job of the sign.

847
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:23,490
I think we're in the right direction

848
01:14:23,490 --> 01:14:25,650
and I really like what was presented

849
01:14:25,650 --> 01:14:29,150
and I'd be thrilled if the mosaic that was presented

850
01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:33,230
by the artist shows up somewhere like a community park.

851
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:34,510
I thought it was beautiful.

852
01:14:34,710 --> 01:14:38,630
I just thought that a mosaic was not the right thing

853
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:40,630
for our front door.

854
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:44,220
And, okay, go ahead.

855
01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:47,360
The only thing I actually have no problem with this sign

856
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,900
except one thing, and that is, I don't think the contrast

857
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,160
between the color of the metal and the brown background.

858
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,620
I want it to have more contrast so that it stands out more.

859
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,600
Right. And it's hard to see. And I am concerned about the length of the sign and how close it is to the street from a safety perspective. And then go ahead. No, I was just all those things could be discussed as part of bringing back a few different alternatives. But getting directions here tonight is to what you'd like to see different about what the proposals a gateway money would be very helpful. And then we can come back with some tweaks to it.

860
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:33,060
Councilmember Alexey, did you have something else you wanted to add?

861
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:37,680
Well, I'm also concerned about staff time, right?

862
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:43,840
Has been pointed out through lots of important things that we need to be working on.

863
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:49,960
But I assume that those sorts of items would not take so much of your time that you would not have

864
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,080
enough time left over for the most important items.

865
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,840
The person that would be committed to doing this would be Gates and Associates, primarily,

866
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,860
to come back with modifications to eat this for you to consider.

867
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:05,120
And they wouldn't otherwise be working on fire safety.

868
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,880
They would not be working on other issues,

869
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:08,700
and the cities be half.

870
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,540
Go ahead and can't remember, I like this sign.

871
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:15,540
When we first looked at a few months ago,

872
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,840
and I still like it, I like the feel,

873
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:21,040
but I would like to see alternative color,

874
01:16:22,340 --> 01:16:24,320
backing and lettering.

875
01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:33,580
I'd like somebody to, you know, really question what's there and think about whether or not it pops with it and you can read it.

876
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:45,620
Not sure. We're right on top of, you know, I'd like it to be a little louder. I feel like it's subtle and since it's a drive by experience.

877
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:51,580
It's not like I'm going to sit and look at this sign. I want to be able to read it really well easily.

878
01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:54,580
I can't read a window, but I can't read what's above it.

879
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:56,100
Yes, as welcome to.

880
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:56,500
I know.

881
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,320
I know what it says, but you don't see it.

882
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:59,620
Right, and I don't think that.

883
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:00,600
Maybe you don't need welcome.

884
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:01,560
I don't think we don't.

885
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,020
You're welcome.

886
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:03,780
But not everyone's welcome.

887
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,780
Most of the designs did not include that.

888
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,800
And again, that version Scott was going to way back in the beginning.

889
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:12,800
We plopped it in this.

890
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,180
The existing landscaping, right?

891
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,280
I mean, all that would would change.

892
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:25,600
And I think to Councilmember Hoaxie's point too, the sidewalk, we feel that the sign is far enough back.

893
01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:28,980
It's certainly further back than any polls or signal polls or anything.

894
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:31,360
And it would be less inclined.

895
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:36,520
If you had a sidewalk there, we feel that more likely a car could pop the sidewalk and go on to it,

896
01:17:36,580 --> 01:17:42,320
as opposed to having landscaping up to that point and not being confused with the street or sidewalk.

897
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:47,520
I mean, it's, I don't only want to get back into the original location of the sign way

898
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,480
back when, which was right on the corner between the signal poles and difficult to see.

899
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,620
So, I mean, this is, I think that'd be a city manager alluded to.

900
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:03,220
I mean, it's difficult, it is difficult to try to get a sense of it in this scenario with,

901
01:18:03,260 --> 01:18:09,260
you can see the existing scene on the right, plopped in the sign with the existing lanes,

902
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:24,080
Maybe all that would change, theoretically, with new landscaping and lower landscaping and light it up writing and whatever colors and fonts and size of letters and all that.

903
01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:32,140
Okay, so I had a couple comments on it.

904
01:18:33,580 --> 01:18:38,860
I'm pretty sure I've thrilled about that the Garden Club is involved.

905
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:48,120
I have great trust in their work based on sort of what's been done around the library and the library

906
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:57,140
Plaza and would love to see go all in actually with the idea of creating a fire

907
01:18:57,140 --> 01:19:03,400
savvy plant landscape as a demonstration garden. I think that could have value in this

908
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:12,380
community when we're trying to educate and promote culture change about what our

909
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:18,360
relationship with our landscape and our yards and the aesthetics needs to look like and

910
01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:23,260
to the extent we can incorporate even rocks or something like that. I think that would be great.

911
01:19:26,540 --> 01:19:33,120
And I, with regard to the sign, I don't want to just sort of acknowledge and recognize

912
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:39,100
the work over many, many years that our Pucks and Reck Commission, but then in our

913
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:44,440
public places committee put in and we did get some, you know, communications that came

914
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:50,920
and after the, this communications from the public packet was able to be developed, but, you

915
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:58,860
You know, from a couple folks on our commission, including, you know, I think a chair, still

916
01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:02,560
a chair, I don't know if she's still a chair, but Aaron Jots, and also Steve Danziger,

917
01:20:02,780 --> 01:20:10,320
who I know both spent a lot of time working on this, and, you know, one of the suggestions

918
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:19,040
was to get the feedback and get the feedback on the sign, but also not completely close

919
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,620
and what the sign was, and not I think it's sort of my view for a couple of reasons.

920
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:35,140
One is, I don't love this sort of demo of the FinSign, and I recognize we haven't seen other colors in what, you know, you can do a lot with concrete.

921
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:46,600
But I do like the idea for the music. I also looked at that artist, you know, renditions, and I think it could be very beautiful.

922
01:20:47,680 --> 01:21:15,400
And so I do sort of recognize the work of that committee and commission in putting that forth and perhaps what sign we go with in terms of additional costs will in part be that decision may in part be made or I'm proposing it might be made based on how much we can raise from the community right how much community funding and whether we can we can make up the shortfall that's needed.

923
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:21,180
The real donations I am also optimistic that a lot of folks in our community will donate

924
01:21:21,180 --> 01:21:26,680
people donated to a light up or in there, people donated a few years ago to an effort

925
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:34,000
to provide meals for essential workers and so we have had a couple of fundraising drives

926
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,780
in our community that have resulted in sizable donations quickly and so I'm optimistic

927
01:21:38,780 --> 01:21:47,280
that if this allocation is made, that that will happen, that our, that, you know, this has been pending for so long.

928
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:52,160
I feel like if we make this allocation, we will move forward.

929
01:21:52,540 --> 01:22:08,700
But, so I guess the direction I would, I would be willing to vote for this in favor that the, with the direction that we really should try to launch a, you know, widespread community fundraising effort to the extent we can to try to make a part of that shortfall.

930
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:17,580
So I'm totally in favor of asking for more money from the community, but I think we've learned

931
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:24,320
that we've got to have the program or the project launched. We can't just let 200,000 sit

932
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,680
on the books from the Rindic Community Foundation because they walked away because they think,

933
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:32,840
why would I give money to a group that's not going to do anything? So you got to get started

934
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:38,680
and then meet that people will come and support it. Okay. And I agree with that. I think that

935
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:44,680
anticipating or fundraising quickly and getting this done. We need to approve and go and then ask

936
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:49,860
my only concern is fundraising takes someone who actually is in charge of doing it

937
01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:56,400
and so I would worry about who's responsibility it would be to do that fundraising.

938
01:22:57,460 --> 01:23:04,040
I would just say that I would be electing Todd to take that lead. Todd would be taking that lead on

939
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:09,160
helping to figure out and I would Todd and I would sit down and talk about if it's the consensus

940
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:14,640
of the council that you want us to pursue additional opportunities with the community, to

941
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,960
fundraise for this project. We could look put our heads together and figure out different ways in

942
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:26,520
which we could potentially raise funds by the project. Including calling up Carol Brvelli and Kim.

943
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,700
They would be helpful.

944
01:23:32,380 --> 01:23:32,660
And I'm sorry.

945
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:50,440
There's one other comment I want to make in discussion on this, which is that just to echo council member G's comments to those of you who are understandably and rightfully very, very concerned about emergency preparedness and evacuation and you know, wildfire mitigation efforts.

946
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:58,240
We're talking about this part is not mutually exclusive from addressing those issues, okay?

947
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:05,240
And I want to thank everyone who's made, you know, there's some very thoughtful ideas that have been expressed here,

948
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,700
and that have been expressed to all of us we've gotten.

949
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:10,600
I think all of us have gotten a lot of public comment.

950
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:18,020
I've spent probably a good 40 hours plus each week over the last couple weeks discussing these issues with folks.

951
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:21,460
And it's not on our agenda tonight from not going to go into it anymore.

952
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:33,300
I said, you turn you will tell me to be quiet, but your concerns, your worries, your suggestions are being heard and listened by all of us.

953
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:42,740
And we are acting on them and some has been acted and needs to be communicated in some anyhow.

954
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,720
So I just wanted to sort of put that out there to reassure folks.

955
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:55,220
I'm confused because I thought part of this spirit of moving this forward was narrowing issues

956
01:24:55,220 --> 01:25:02,020
and giving directions so that we can get this project on a process, but you made a comment

957
01:25:02,020 --> 01:25:11,740
that you wanted to go back to the art versus monument question. I was prepared to say I fully

958
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:17,660
support this being a monument in time that Gates works on and comes back with some treatments

959
01:25:17,660 --> 01:25:25,360
of a monument in time that Gates does. If you want to go back to the art process, I think we

960
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,580
should get consensus or figure that out, because I do think that one of the questions I was

961
01:25:29,580 --> 01:25:35,240
for us to get a consensus direction. And I think you and I might be having a different opinion.

962
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:47,180
I mean, I think I prefer the art process and the mosaic sign, but that's because of what we're looking at in this light rendition.

963
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:52,120
So I just can't say I like it, but I also don't have strong feelings on that.

964
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:55,360
I'd like to hear from everyone.

965
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,440
I mean, I'm not saying we can't reach consensus.

966
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,600
I'm most concerned about cost.

967
01:26:02,620 --> 01:26:05,700
I haven't been part of this process for the past few years.

968
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:20,080
I'm new to it. I hear loud and clear the concerns of our community and I do like the idea of a demonstration garden that can show people to fire wise plants that we can use in our community safely and that look nice.

969
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:31,240
I do think it is important that we not have a dead sort of entrance to the city that really doesn't look very nice.

970
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:42,900
And on the other hand, I don't want to spend city resources to achieve that and very concerned that we need to put our city resources towards safety and other issues that are facing our city.

971
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,520
So, so, in terms of where are you on the fine for that for kind of.

972
01:26:48,880 --> 01:27:00,060
Because of the cost, I would go with the sign as a monument sign because I think it will be less expensive and sort of the purpose of telling people where they are when they get off the freeway.

973
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:11,280
Yeah, I'm fine with moving forward with the monuments on with some options that I think would be perhaps better contrast or more attractive.

974
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:24,960
You know, if we wanted to, you know, I, and part of my reasoning for that is not that I don't think the public art was, you know, beautiful or couldn't be a real showpiece or something like that.

975
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:53,900
But given that this project has dragged on for 12 years and we're concerned about costs and we're concerned about other priorities and all that, you know, I'm not that worried about the vehicular accident part of it, but the reality is, I think it would simply be easier, more straightforward for the staff, you know, I think it could be made very attractive and we have a lot of other opportunities for public art in the community.

976
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,440
Anything else to add, council member, I think?

977
01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:02,500
About the sign.

978
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,720
I guess I'd like to ask if you have some suggestions right off the top of your head.

979
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,860
The colors we might see on the concrete.

980
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:18,700
I think the options are almost endless.

981
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:23,900
I mean, some of you from the 12 years, as Councilman would you said,

982
01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:29,400
way before, my time, I can count probably a half a dozen different iterations that we've

983
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:35,120
gone through from the same in single letters to the, to the, to the, the fin sign to the,

984
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,700
kind of the, the wavy hills, kind of vision, but,

985
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,680
using this monument signs, what, what, what could you bring back,

986
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,780
I'm going to bring back.

987
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,880
I think in Eric could get out to it,

988
01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:50,620
I think we would probably be looking at something

989
01:28:50,620 --> 01:28:53,740
with a lighter background and then a darker,

990
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:57,400
more visible letters type thing.

991
01:28:57,620 --> 01:29:00,860
That's easy to light up light in the evenings.

992
01:29:02,540 --> 01:29:07,700
I mean, that's, I'm certainly not an artist or a designer,

993
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,960
but something like that.

994
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,120
but there's really nothing limiting that.

995
01:29:16,020 --> 01:29:16,240
Okay.

996
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,840
I'm not wedded to the Mozaic sign.

997
01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:22,620
I think we could reach consensus.

998
01:29:22,980 --> 01:29:24,340
I think we've been enough time on this.

999
01:29:24,580 --> 01:29:26,240
I'm so forward with a gateway monument sign

1000
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,540
and we'll go ahead and we'll take a look at some options

1001
01:29:29,540 --> 01:29:31,880
to bring back and an upcoming meeting.

1002
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,000
We'll try to move through that very swiftly.

1003
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:38,020
And you know, well, I'll even test staff

1004
01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:40,760
to look at an option for a lesser expensive sign

1005
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,380
that you could consider as part of a monument sign

1006
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:45,840
in addition to color changes to the sign.

1007
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:49,400
Todd and I will work on future fundraising

1008
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,660
and strategy for that.

1009
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:52,720
Okay, thank you.

1010
01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:56,640
And the action item here was just to provide feedback.

1011
01:29:56,660 --> 01:29:58,640
There's a few, actually, there's a few action items

1012
01:29:58,640 --> 01:29:59,820
on this one, including.

1013
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,660
And approval for the contract amendments for Gates and Associates. I apologize, my computer.

1014
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:27,180
Okay, so do we have a motion then to approve the revised design concept, the amendment number two to the contract with Gates and Associates and approve budget change for number 5-25.

1015
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:37,560
The move. Okay. A second. All second. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? I'm opposed.

1016
01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:42,420
The motion passes for one.

1017
01:30:48,250 --> 01:31:02,410
And I will call item H2, which is an overview of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission's Transit Oriented Communities Policy in a Windows Compliance Status.

1018
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:14,970
On number one, members of the Council, Darren Hughes is going to be presenting a report to you tonight on the TSC policy and related guidance that we're receiving from NTC.

1019
01:31:30,460 --> 01:31:31,320
Good evening, Mayor.

1020
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:33,560
Members of the City Council and members of the public.

1021
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,240
My name is Darren Hughes.

1022
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,320
I'm an associate planner in the planning department.

1023
01:31:38,440 --> 01:31:42,060
So tonight, I'm going to be going over the metropolitan, metropolitan,

1024
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:50,320
metropolitan transportation community. Excuse me, I'm sorry. The metropolitan transportation

1025
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:56,760
commission which I'll refer to as MTC here on transit oriented communities will refer

1026
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:03,880
to that as TOC policy. One thing that I do want to bring up right now at the very beginning

1027
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:10,560
of this is that MTC TOC policy is something that is a little bit more recent in association

1028
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,960
with the Plan Bay Area 2050 by MTC.

1029
01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:20,960
There's another term PDA, the priority development areas,

1030
01:32:21,180 --> 01:32:25,860
that Arinda was a designated as in 2008 timeframe.

1031
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,580
This is some policy, it's kind of parallel to that,

1032
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,100
and sort of taking over that.

1033
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:36,020
That was something that was opted in by many communities around station areas.

1034
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:45,980
This one automatically applies to station areas and I will go over some of the potential requirements.

1035
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:48,160
Let's see.

1036
01:32:48,820 --> 01:32:51,070
That is not the...

1037
01:32:54,130 --> 01:32:55,210
Is it just those?

1038
01:32:56,010 --> 01:32:58,910
Okay, thank you.

1039
01:32:59,910 --> 01:33:05,510
Okay, so agenda for tonight overview of the MTC TOT policy and then I want to describe

1040
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:11,750
in this status with the TOC policy and how we conform to it. One thing that I want to highlight

1041
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:17,870
at this particular point, TOC policy is fully elective. It is not something that we are actually

1042
01:33:17,870 --> 01:33:24,030
required to conform to. We are going to have a lot of options as a community going forward

1043
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:30,450
and how we want to actually approach TOC policy. But this is an overview because we got the administrative

1044
01:33:30,450 --> 01:33:37,350
guidance from MTC in 2024, in September, they released that particular guidance, which gave us a

1045
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:41,470
lot more information on what types of policies they're looking at and how they're looking

1046
01:33:41,470 --> 01:33:46,790
at this. I will reference the downtown precise plan and the objective design standards at certain

1047
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:52,510
points tonight. I want to reiterate that the downtown precise plan is currently rescinded and

1048
01:33:52,510 --> 01:33:58,110
the objective design standards for the downtown were only ever adopted in draft format. So when I

1049
01:33:58,110 --> 01:34:12,710
I'm basically talking about those as potential vehicles for carrying out some of the policies that we do see in this, that we will be bringing to city council and future iterations in order to get some additional feedback and guidance.

1050
01:34:13,050 --> 01:34:17,290
Tonight is just about giving you this information so that we can make some initial.

1051
01:34:18,150 --> 01:34:22,890
We can look for some initial guidance and feedback on what policies staff might want to look into.

1052
01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:24,750
All right,

1053
01:34:27,130 --> 01:34:33,730
so the TSE overview, this was adopted by MTC to support the region's transit

1054
01:34:33,730 --> 01:34:39,610
investments and advance the goals of Plan Bay Area 2050, which is the region's long-range

1055
01:34:39,610 --> 01:34:46,110
plan for transportation, housing, economy and environment. TSE policy applies to the half-mile

1056
01:34:46,110 --> 01:34:52,530
area around existing and plan fixed-guid way transit stops, so the VARC station for Arinda.

1057
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:59,750
In these areas, the TLC policy establishes requirements related to thorough components.

1058
01:34:59,990 --> 01:35:08,250
Land use density, affordable housing, parking management, and complete streets and multi-model access.

1059
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:12,750
So again, TLC policy compliance is fully voluntary.

1060
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:18,070
So why would a Rinda want to be compliant with TLC policy?

1061
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:26,550
The two primary reasons for this would be one, TLC, the guidance from NTC right now is that

1062
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:32,090
adherence to TLC policy and being found to be substantially compliant with TLC policy

1063
01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:48,050
will make us more eligible for OBEG funding going forward. So that's one Bay Area grant funds that are

1064
01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:51,110
forth cycle and get some additional guidance on the forth cycle funding,

1065
01:35:53,310 --> 01:35:54,450
and we have received

1066
01:35:54,450 --> 01:36:01,630
overback funding in the past, but in order to maintain competitive status for this funding

1067
01:36:01,630 --> 01:36:06,910
in the future, we would be looking at some form of compliance with TOC policy.

1068
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:13,810
The second reason is we are going to be implementing rezoning through the housing element

1069
01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:16,090
in one way shape, perform in the downtown area.

1070
01:36:16,510 --> 01:36:23,810
The policies that are given as a toolkit within the TLC policy would ultimately help support

1071
01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:29,630
increased density, and support policies, and protections for residents that would be moving

1072
01:36:29,630 --> 01:36:34,570
into a renda in association with those, with those rezoning.

1073
01:36:37,480 --> 01:36:43,720
Okay, so one bay area grant over the past three cycles, MTC and these are four-year cycles,

1074
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:51,180
MTC has distributed over 941 million, a window received just under 1.3 million directly,

1075
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:57,900
and just under another 700,000 as part of a regional effort. I'll go over that on future slides.

1076
01:36:58,740 --> 01:37:04,740
The next funding cycle is scheduled for 2026, and as stated, the consistency is going to be

1077
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:09,280
looked at consistency with TOC policies going to be looked at as a meaningful factor.

1078
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:16,340
This is a slide showing a graph breakdown that is provided by MTC at the moment to show

1079
01:37:16,340 --> 01:37:24,440
exactly where we may stand at for when we're applying for grant funding through OBAD funds.

1080
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:30,500
Non-compliant jurisdictions, so if the community were to opt to just say we're not going to pursue compliance

1081
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:38,260
for this particular cycle, would still be potentially eligible for limited funds through OBAD grants.

1082
01:37:38,260 --> 01:37:44,580
It's just that they would be very limited and we would be non-competitive as compared to substantially

1083
01:37:44,580 --> 01:37:48,260
compliant jurisdictions, which would be eligible for most funding.

1084
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:56,840
Compliant jurisdictions seems that MTC expects that this will make up the smallest contingent

1085
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:02,160
of jurisdictions would be eligible for all funding and there will be some set aside funding

1086
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,460
and additional funding sources for those jurisdictions.

1087
01:38:05,460 --> 01:38:10,500
And then there are non-TOC jurisdictions that can also apply for these funds.

1088
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,220
They would be eligible for most funding.

1089
01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:17,460
Likely they would be a little bit less competitive

1090
01:38:17,980 --> 01:38:20,060
than substantially compliant jurisdictions.

1091
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:24,950
So, past Orinda or bad projects,

1092
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:29,810
we have received three different grants.

1093
01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:33,770
The first two that are listed here in approximately

1094
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:43,090
2015 timeframe sidewalk improvements and street preservation for IV drive. Those were received during

1095
01:38:43,090 --> 01:38:51,510
the O-Bag 1 cycle and then the 2019-2020 20-erando way pavement rehabilitation funds were received through

1096
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:59,790
O-Bag 2 cycle. No funds were received directly during O-Bag 3. This brings the total that we've received

1097
01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:05,510
So far as a community to $1.27 or $1,200,000,000.

1098
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:10,550
Other funding sources, however, so in the third cycle,

1099
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:15,930
a Rinda did receive $657,000 that was given to a Rinda

1100
01:39:17,150 --> 01:39:19,590
through CCTA's Smart Signals Project.

1101
01:39:19,630 --> 01:39:22,930
So that was part of a regional effort that a Rinda essentially

1102
01:39:22,930 --> 01:39:23,930
had a slice of.

1103
01:39:24,570 --> 01:39:29,090
I did talk today to a point of contact at MTC,

1104
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:34,390
because there's curious about how TOC compliance could potentially affect this sort of

1105
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:39,070
funding since it wasn't something that we had a directly applied for. And the guidance

1106
01:39:39,070 --> 01:39:44,830
that we got was that the TOC compliance was also going to be used to assess a community

1107
01:39:44,830 --> 01:39:51,490
is access to funding even through regional projects like this. So these funds are also potentially

1108
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:58,490
subject to future TOC considerations. We also received technical assistance. This was as a

1109
01:39:58,490 --> 01:40:10,590
I had talked about PDAs before, one thing that I do want to point out is that all the guidance for PDAs now states that TOC compliance is also going to be a factor for any PDA grants.

1110
01:40:11,150 --> 01:40:23,770
So if there's ever any distinction in the future between PDA grants and TOC grants, they're still going to be TOC compliance, they're going to have that requirement to be looked at.

1111
01:40:23,770 --> 01:40:32,510
So that's another 557,000 bringing arindas total to approximately 2.1 million over the past about 10 years.

1112
01:40:35,570 --> 01:40:36,990
So this is the TOC station area.

1113
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:44,450
Just includes all of the downtown on the southeast side, on the village side, about half of the downtown,

1114
01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:53,150
as well as the residential districts, which technically are within the PDA and our assessed, and we'll look at that.

1115
01:40:53,150 --> 01:40:55,710
a little bit on one of the upcoming slides.

1116
01:40:59,350 --> 01:41:02,750
So, the TLC compliance is broken down into four categories.

1117
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:05,850
There are density requirements.

1118
01:41:06,230 --> 01:41:09,830
So minimum and maximum density is for housing and offices.

1119
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:13,870
Affordable housing and commercial stabilization policies.

1120
01:41:13,950 --> 01:41:15,830
There are four categories that will go over.

1121
01:41:16,330 --> 01:41:20,150
From each of those categories, we would be expected to choose two

1122
01:41:20,150 --> 01:41:25,210
Particular policies, with the exception of the commercial stabilization policies we would

1123
01:41:25,210 --> 01:41:27,070
only need one from that.

1124
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:28,250
Parking management,

1125
01:41:30,410 --> 01:41:35,010
this has a few different requirements, parking maximums and minimums,

1126
01:41:35,170 --> 01:41:40,410
bicycle parking, shared parking, allowing unbundled parking, curb management and looking

1127
01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:47,810
at the various parking policies that we have in effect and how they could support better management.

1128
01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:51,930
Transit Station Access and Circulation is the fourth part.

1129
01:41:52,390 --> 01:42:02,210
This is, we would show that we are compliant with this by showing what policies we have on the books and what we have been pursuing over the past couple of years to prioritize active transportation.

1130
01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:05,710
Then we'll go over all of these individual.

1131
01:42:05,850 --> 01:42:08,090
I'm going to break them down on these next few slides.

1132
01:42:09,790 --> 01:42:12,350
So the first one is the density requirements.

1133
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:21,270
So, Arinda is the, each of the communities is tiered one through four with gradually decreasing

1134
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:24,070
requirements for would be for the smallest communities.

1135
01:42:24,750 --> 01:42:29,770
Arinda is subject to tier three requirements for the purposes of commercial office densities.

1136
01:42:30,050 --> 01:42:39,890
It's subject to tier four requirements because we have fewer than 30,000 people for the residential density requirements.

1137
01:42:39,890 --> 01:43:01,730
So, right now on what that requires of us, looking at the residential side of the house, is that we would need to push for 25 units per acre as a minimum requirement, so someone coming forward with a development would have to propose at least 25 units per acre, and this is an average across all of the districts.

1138
01:43:01,730 --> 01:43:07,130
this is not something that is on any one specific project, this is just we look at all of the

1139
01:43:07,130 --> 01:43:12,070
different districts where we have potential for housing and have to average make an average

1140
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:19,250
density requirement of calculation across the board. It would be 35 units or more for the density

1141
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:31,710
maximum. Those are the numbers that we're used to seeing where we say okay we're proposing in the

1142
01:43:31,710 --> 01:43:35,990
So as part of this calculation, have to take into account any single family, residential,

1143
01:43:36,890 --> 01:43:39,390
leasoned parcels that have not yet been developed.

1144
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:41,090
And there are a few of those in Arrinda.

1145
01:43:42,190 --> 01:43:47,590
They overall do bring down the overall average that we could be pursuing.

1146
01:43:48,430 --> 01:43:50,310
So status with those right now.

1147
01:43:50,510 --> 01:43:55,150
We don't have any minimum density is on the books for maximum.

1148
01:43:55,150 --> 01:44:00,210
If you do a calculation across all of the parcels that are eligible for this,

1149
01:44:00,210 --> 01:44:06,170
right now we're estimating that we're at about 5.4 units per acre, so clearly much

1150
01:44:06,170 --> 01:44:12,610
very shy of that 35 plus units per acre. In this last column I have the proposed downtown

1151
01:44:12,610 --> 01:44:17,930
precise plan standards, so these are the standards that if the downtown were resounded it's

1152
01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:23,670
entirety, this is approximately what we would see, so therefore moving towards that substantial

1153
01:44:23,670 --> 01:44:32,650
compliance. The residential density minimums are set to 20 and that is a housing element program

1154
01:44:32,650 --> 01:44:38,210
or a housing element action that's required. The residential density maximums would average

1155
01:44:38,210 --> 01:44:46,290
to around 27. So it would be about 29 except we have those single family residential undeveloped

1156
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:53,770
that are also pulling down this overall average. The commercial office density minimums,

1157
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:59,890
this is probably one of those categories based off of the various requirements that were listed by

1158
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,440
D.C. in their T.O.C. guidance that we may end up just having 2-4 go. I don't think there are many staff recommendations

1159
01:45:08,170 --> 01:45:21,460
to push towards building heights of 65 feet. Basically, these floor area ratios that are set are, you know, right now, we are very not compliant.

1160
01:45:21,460 --> 01:45:30,860
We have minimum of two plus floor area ratio and we don't meet, we just have zero on the books.

1161
01:45:31,980 --> 01:45:38,320
And for commercial office density maximums, they're looking at four plus floor area ratio.

1162
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:49,500
What that would essentially mean is you have a lot and someone who has to develop on that can develop up to four times the overall area of that lot.

1163
01:45:50,640 --> 01:46:02,680
And even with the downtown precise plant standards based off of the calculations that are offered within the TOC administrative guidance, we would only get to 1.5 for a ratio.

1164
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:05,460
All right.

1165
01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:10,260
So moving on into the policies, we have the first category.

1166
01:46:10,460 --> 01:46:11,940
It's the production housing policies.

1167
01:46:12,660 --> 01:46:19,660
So again, this is just simply a list of policies that Rinda has options to choose from.

1168
01:46:19,660 --> 01:46:27,740
for the purposes of this report staff has gone through and identified various policies on this page

1169
01:46:27,740 --> 01:46:34,440
and the next few categories as well that we are either already pursuing or would potentially

1170
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:40,640
be suitable for a Rinda in order to pursue. So these are considerations that we have on the books

1171
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:47,560
right now. The production housing policies, there are two policies, policy one and policy five

1172
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:53,320
that we are already working towards with the housing element.

1173
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,600
These are required actions.

1174
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,020
One is an inclusionary housing ordinance.

1175
01:46:58,420 --> 01:47:07,500
And this would be requiring at least 15% of affordability for new projects that are 10 plus units.

1176
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:17,540
So that is something that a Rinda staff has already put out a request for a proposal for the

1177
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:24,020
the responses that we got for that. And then ministerial approval, this is also a housing

1178
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:29,320
element program, although it's slightly different. In the housing element, we are required

1179
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:35,480
to just ministerially approve without any sort of discretionary review or design review or

1180
01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:41,100
conditional use permits. Any housing projects that conform to the objective design standards

1181
01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:51,300
and have at least a 20 percent affordability rate. In the MTC policy that would be lowered

1182
01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:55,600
to 15 percent so there is a minor disparity there.

1183
01:47:57,980 --> 01:48:01,640
So preservation housing policies. There are

1184
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:08,880
two policies here that are highlighted by staff. Policy two is tenant community opportunity

1185
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:14,540
to purchase, so that would provide tenants or mission driven non-profits the right of first

1186
01:48:14,540 --> 01:48:18,500
refusal to purchase a property at market rate price when offered for sale.

1187
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,220
And the second policy

1188
01:48:22,220 --> 01:48:28,620
here that we've highlighted condominium conversion restrictions require that rental units

1189
01:48:28,620 --> 01:48:33,760
converted to condominiums be replaced one to one with comparable rental units unless they're

1190
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:38,620
purchased by current long-term tenants or converted to permanently affordable housing with

1191
01:48:38,620 --> 01:48:40,040
protection for existing tenants.

1192
01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:43,580
So these are policies that don't have a broad extent of a

1193
01:48:43,580 --> 01:48:46,860
applicability in the downtown right now, however, these are

1194
01:48:46,860 --> 01:48:50,260
policies that we could in theory have on the books, whether we're

1195
01:48:50,260 --> 01:48:55,660
pursuing DOC policy or not, in order to provide future protections

1196
01:48:56,220 --> 01:48:58,960
to anyone who would become a resident of downtown,

1197
01:49:01,480 --> 01:49:02,660
moving on.

1198
01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:10,680
So, a protection housing policy is to hear there's highlighted legal assistance for tenants.

1199
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,580
So, some of these policies do have a funding commitment that the city has to essentially

1200
01:49:15,580 --> 01:49:19,220
state that it's going to be able to commit to for a four year OBAX cycle.

1201
01:49:20,860 --> 01:49:27,500
In this particular case, the funding commitment would be $200,000 for legal assistance.

1202
01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:36,000
So policy three, this would be investments or programs that expand access to legal assistance for tenants facing displacement.

1203
01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:41,900
Good range from a right to council to dedicated public funding for tenant legal assistance.

1204
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:48,600
This would also include eviction and pre-election legal services for low income tax.

1205
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:56,940
And then policy 7, so preventing displacement from substandard conditions and associated code enforcement activities.

1206
01:49:58,780 --> 01:50:02,900
The portion of this that we're highlighting that we're already essentially doing.

1207
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:13,680
Establish an Amnesty program to wave fines and fees for property owners with occupied units constructed without the proper permits and exchange for bringing the unit into compliance with health and safety codes.

1208
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:18,500
We don't have very many instances of this occurring.

1209
01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:23,100
We've had one ADU that we had to go through this process within the last year.

1210
01:50:24,460 --> 01:50:27,380
But essentially, the way that our Indostive currently processes,

1211
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:33,660
applications, or works with people who we find to have built something that's non-conforming or not permitted,

1212
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:38,540
is where our goal is to just get those projects to legal status

1213
01:50:38,540 --> 01:50:41,720
and to try to minimize barriers towards that.

1214
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:48,080
The portion that we will have to work with could potentially require a zoning amendment

1215
01:50:48,940 --> 01:50:54,960
because right now, Title 15 does require the building department to double fees when someone

1216
01:50:54,960 --> 01:51:01,920
is approaching them and has not secured the proper performance prior to performing the work.

1217
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:05,470
So in these instances, we would need to work with the building department in order to

1218
01:51:06,410 --> 01:51:07,270
reduce this.

1219
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:11,470
They're in really quick on this item, just confirm the

1220
01:51:11,470 --> 01:51:15,050
confetti commitments are for a four year period of time as that corrects.

1221
01:51:15,410 --> 01:51:19,790
So if you're talking about 200,000, you're not talking about 200,000,

1222
01:51:19,790 --> 01:51:22,730
annual you're talking about 200,000 over a four year period.

1223
01:51:23,390 --> 01:51:27,110
Correct. That is not money that has to be spent and

1224
01:51:27,110 --> 01:51:35,450
discarded by the city. That is simply funding that has to be

1225
01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:43,090
to use that. So it's not something that ultimately we spend that $200,000 in these access to that.

1226
01:51:43,310 --> 01:51:48,590
It could be rolled over and all of the rules about funding commitments that are highlighted in the

1227
01:51:48,590 --> 01:51:54,110
administrative guidance do state that funds can be rolled over from previous cycles.

1228
01:51:58,670 --> 01:52:03,990
And commercial stabilization policies. So these are related to small business.

1229
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:10,350
The one that basically the city is already doing is small business advocate office, so we would

1230
01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:15,110
do a little bit of work in formalizing this and putting out information on the city website,

1231
01:52:15,670 --> 01:52:20,250
but this is essentially handled through the associate planner position that I hold within

1232
01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:24,230
the city, as well as the city manager at Lindosmith.

1233
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:27,940
All right.

1234
01:52:27,940 --> 01:52:33,780
Moving on to parking policies, this table just breaks down what policies would be required

1235
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:59,300
for the city of Arinda, we are meeting virtually none of these, we have, I think it's been acknowledged in the past that the parking requirements that we have within the zoning code are a bit out of date and have been preventing some businesses from being able to open up in certain spaces for which we've had those fee holidays in the past applied to downtown.

1236
01:52:59,300 --> 01:53:05,140
We also have, we're also facing, this is the TOC area, it's all within a half mile of the

1237
01:53:05,140 --> 01:53:13,540
BART station, so applicable within that half mile are the AB 2097 requirements that essentially

1238
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:20,220
make it so that the community can't require parking minimums within that half mile radius

1239
01:53:20,220 --> 01:53:26,440
for all development projects with some minor exceptions, one of those being certain hospitality

1240
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:35,840
services such as hotels. But for the purposes of MTCTOC requirements, we would be looking

1241
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:42,460
at basically codifying the idea and this could happen within the ONC or within objective

1242
01:53:42,460 --> 01:53:51,100
design standards for the downtown codifying the nominumums that are work currently subject

1243
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:52,880
to be a AB 2097.

1244
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,780
We would also be looking at maximum residential parking,

1245
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:01,480
so you could set maximums at up to one space per unit.

1246
01:54:02,380 --> 01:54:04,440
So this is basically saying that if a developer were

1247
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:07,100
to come forward with 25 units in a building,

1248
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:12,480
we could require or they could propose a maximum of 25 units

1249
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:15,640
in that particular case, and then that would be combined

1250
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:19,140
if it were a mixed use building that would be combined

1251
01:54:19,140 --> 01:54:25,800
with these spaces that are required for commercial space, there are also minimum bicycle parking

1252
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:33,820
requirements and unbundled parking requirements. So unbundled parking requirements just means

1253
01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:44,260
that we would have to allow developers who are renting out units to rent out parking spaces separately

1254
01:54:44,260 --> 01:54:51,340
from that if they chose to do so. So all of these for the most part are items that could be

1255
01:54:51,340 --> 01:54:57,340
carried out through objective design standards, making simple updates within the draft odies.

1256
01:54:59,860 --> 01:55:06,300
Station access and circulation, this is the last component of this. Basically, we are on the hook

1257
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:14,120
for complying with all of this. Should we pursue TLC compliance? One adopted a jurisdiction

1258
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:20,800
why complete streets policy. We do have that that's required by state law. So that was

1259
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:28,220
last updated in 2014 and remains compliant to today. Prioritized implementation of active transportation

1260
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:34,020
projects in the TOC areas, this is just showing a body of evidence that we have pursued these types

1261
01:55:34,020 --> 01:55:41,520
of projects. There was an RM3 grants that was recently applied for to study a multi-modal path

1262
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,380
along Maraga Way to connect the south side of Urinda

1263
01:55:44,380 --> 01:55:46,080
and Maraga to Urinda Park.

1264
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:48,660
And then also preparing the city's preparing

1265
01:55:48,660 --> 01:55:50,980
a feasibility study for trail alignments,

1266
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,580
so connecting wilder to the downtown

1267
01:55:53,580 --> 01:55:56,560
via a bike or pedestrian access trail.

1268
01:55:57,940 --> 01:56:01,000
Florida climate here, a complete an access gap analysis

1269
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,360
and capital improvement program for station access.

1270
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,420
We do have connector into 2018

1271
01:56:06,420 --> 01:56:08,520
we're not 100% sure at this point,

1272
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,160
whether that would be deemed compliant

1273
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:17,600
with this particular item. And same for the next one, identify mobility hub planning and implementation

1274
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:23,100
opportunities into the areas. So we have these policies, the bike trails, the walkways,

1275
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:28,120
master plan, which is going to be, I understand, undergoing an update in the near future,

1276
01:56:28,380 --> 01:56:33,420
connect a Rinda, and the rescinded downtown precise plan. These are documents that could be used

1277
01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:39,380
to show that we have worked towards these particular goals. But we would want to explore if there

1278
01:56:39,380 --> 01:56:43,700
for the criteria that we would be subject to here.

1279
01:56:45,740 --> 01:56:49,480
So, just to recap, this is a fully

1280
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,040
elective set of policies.

1281
01:56:54,740 --> 01:56:57,800
It is something that we are going to, as I said,

1282
01:56:57,820 --> 01:56:59,920
be bringing back in future discussions,

1283
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:04,100
particularly around what is happening with the

1284
01:57:04,100 --> 01:57:06,000
IR and the downtown precise plan.

1285
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:14,420
Ultimately, this compliance would enable us to remain competitive for feedback funding and technical assistance fundings.

1286
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:20,780
So today, we're just looking to provide you with this information and receive any initial feedback on these policies.

1287
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,460
And with that, I will turn that over. Thank you.

1288
01:57:25,300 --> 01:57:26,060
Thank you.

1289
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,620
City Manager, do you want to add any exciting stuff, isn't it?

1290
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And a lot of technical policies and of course, you know, our objective here is to ensure

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that we're still, you know, competitive.

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We rely heavily in this community on grants to help fund improvements, particularly transportation

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improvements.

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01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:53,300
And so to the extent that we can find ourselves to be compliant, we'd like to figure out

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01:57:53,300 --> 01:57:54,360
a way to do that.

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01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,980
And of course, the area that we pointed out where we don't feel like we're going to be able

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01:57:57,980 --> 01:58:05,200
find compliance is in that commercial office area and I think for reference a 2.0 FAR means

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you're putting two stories on an entire parcel covering it 100%. Let's assume that you don't want

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01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,360
to cover your property 100% with building it two stories. Let's see, you want to do half of your

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01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:20,640
property, you have to go to four stories. And let's see, you don't want to cover your building, your

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01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:25,820
property, and 50% coverage. You want 25% coverage that means eight stories. And so those are,

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01:58:25,820 --> 01:58:30,720
That's how a 2.0 FAR is determined, so I'm just giving you in context for that.

1303
01:58:30,940 --> 01:58:36,740
That's not generally within the character of what you've got in your downtown area, and

1304
01:58:36,740 --> 01:58:41,700
so I think that would be the most complicated one for us to try and figure out, but I think

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01:58:41,700 --> 01:58:47,780
we've spent months now trying to come up with plan for a way that we can best try to comply,

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01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:51,760
and that's what you have in front of you today, and I give a lot of credit to Darren

1307
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:56,900
machine for working closely over the last several months trying to figure out how to bring

1308
01:58:56,900 --> 01:59:02,040
up this conversation because it's not an easy one to have and of course this does tell

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01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:07,080
somewhat to some extent with the downtown precise plan and figuring out if you do give us

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01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:13,220
direction to try and find ways to comply how do we reconcile those two things and so I think

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we'll have to talk a little bit more about that as we move on here but I wanted to just sort of

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01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:23,040
frame it, thanks staff for all that work, and turn it over to the council for any questions

1313
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,180
or thoughts that you may have.

1314
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:29,260
Sure, there's questions, councilmember J.

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I'll start.

1316
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:38,800
I recognize that this is, I want to re-emphasize what you said, Darren, that the PDA designation

1317
01:59:39,460 --> 01:59:41,380
has nothing to do with the TOC.

1318
01:59:41,380 --> 01:59:49,600
If we somehow got rid of the PDA designation tomorrow, which I understand is maybe not that easy to do,

1319
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:53,480
it wouldn't matter in terms of this issue, right?

1320
01:59:53,500 --> 01:59:55,080
They're not connected directly.

1321
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:56,140
That is correct.

1322
01:59:56,260 --> 01:59:59,980
They're not connected directly except for the fact that both of them have this.

1323
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:29,500
Next question is, this is all relatively news. So it hasn't been all that implemented, correct? So one of the first questions that came to my mind trying to digest all of it was, it's a lot like the housing element in the sense of what if you do enough, somehow, through some combination, to quote, substantially, comply,

1324
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:35,840
Then nothing happens, because maybe nobody wants to build anything that fits into that category.

1325
02:00:36,460 --> 02:00:45,440
Or maybe, as you mentioned, so many of those categories are very obviously San Francisco and Oakland oriented kinds of things.

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02:00:45,980 --> 02:00:53,340
You know, we don't have a lot of rental disputes with, you know, disadvantaged people and orinda and things like that.

1327
02:00:53,340 --> 02:00:59,820
So some of those things would virtually, we could adopt them, but they would never come to

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02:00:59,820 --> 02:01:00,100
pass.

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02:01:00,500 --> 02:01:05,880
So one of the questions that comes to mind is, what if you do it, and it kind of never

1330
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:11,720
happens, is there like any, I didn't find anything in their written document that says,

1331
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,760
oh, well, if you do this, but nothing happens in five years, then you're not compliant again,

1332
02:01:16,780 --> 02:01:17,840
or something like that.

1333
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:22,420
So I don't think there's anything that guidance for that.

1334
02:01:22,420 --> 02:01:28,640
Right. We don't have a ton of guidance on that. Like I've stated with the 2020 or the upcoming

1335
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:34,800
Oback 4 cycle. There are still a couple of things being worked out. We don't know what, for instance,

1336
02:01:35,380 --> 02:01:41,740
in the past we have this number 85% compliance. So 85% demonstrate substantial compliance.

1337
02:01:41,860 --> 02:01:49,200
There's nothing that is a solid marker of what 85% means and it's going to ultimately be a case

1338
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:55,380
case basis where MTC staff is probably looking at individual communities and trying to make a

1339
02:01:55,380 --> 02:02:00,260
determination on how much effort they have put into this and where they're going with their compliance

1340
02:02:00,260 --> 02:02:07,520
rating. And in terms of how that translates to future cycles, we don't know what that's going to

1341
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:19,180
look like ultimately. I don't think that setting up all of this for the next cycle is going to

1342
02:02:19,180 --> 02:02:23,960
that cycle. I think the implications of what you're bringing up are going to be a little bit more

1343
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:30,920
important to consider on future cycles. But my general understanding is it's going to be somewhat

1344
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:36,720
similar to the housing element, where housing element ultimately is a vehicle to show that we have

1345
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:43,960
the capacity for additional units and we have actions that we are following through with. That doesn't

1346
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,620
necessarily mean that we're building those units,

1347
02:02:48,700 --> 02:02:53,420
however, with TOC compliance. Yes, it's perfectly

1348
02:02:53,420 --> 02:02:58,180
plausible that we put this into effect and nothing really comes of it. We don't know what that

1349
02:02:58,180 --> 02:02:59,060
will look like in the future.

1350
02:03:01,390 --> 02:03:04,550
If I could, I know, see if I wanted to make a couple of comments related

1351
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:12,330
to O-Bag before we move on. Thank you. Yeah, just I had the presentation breakdowns. I thought I have

1352
02:03:12,330 --> 02:03:14,130
some background on the OPEG funding side

1353
02:03:14,130 --> 02:03:16,770
because I do closely with our transportation

1354
02:03:16,770 --> 02:03:18,750
at our 10MTC on that.

1355
02:03:20,350 --> 02:03:22,050
Just to give a little history on OPEG,

1356
02:03:22,590 --> 02:03:25,090
as Darren mentioned, we all know about EXICAL 3.

1357
02:03:25,770 --> 02:03:28,210
The first two cycles, it was a little bit more straightforward.

1358
02:03:29,370 --> 02:03:32,610
MTC kind of allocates a bit pool of money,

1359
02:03:33,110 --> 02:03:34,870
and I'm going to some little bit more numbers

1360
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:35,790
on the three cycles.

1361
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:39,010
But the first two cycles, whatever funding they had,

1362
02:03:39,610 --> 02:03:41,730
they typically break it into two major pieces,

1363
02:03:41,730 --> 02:03:45,270
one they call the regional component and the other one they call the county and local

1364
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:52,070
component. And it used to be allocated based on population and other statistics,

1365
02:03:52,370 --> 02:03:58,390
Tamil or based allocations. But for Cycle 3 they actually made some changes and they made

1366
02:03:58,390 --> 02:04:11,370
it all competitive basically. So the end for, what about 3 which was, which is going to end in

1367
02:04:11,370 --> 02:04:17,010
of money that MTC allocated of that 375 outright got split for regional

1368
02:04:17,010 --> 02:04:20,870
component. And within the regional component there is multiple categories

1369
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:25,630
there is various sizes. And the funding that Devon mentioned that $200,000

1370
02:04:25,630 --> 02:04:32,510
we received was one component of that regional fund. And reference to the wilder trail

1371
02:04:33,210 --> 02:04:40,430
I believe month or two ago I made a small presentation on with a $40,000 we got from MTC.

1372
02:04:40,430 --> 02:04:43,660
that is also coming from that regional component of it.

1373
02:04:44,830 --> 02:04:50,130
The local and county component is where we got the money for the signal

1374
02:04:50,130 --> 02:04:52,510
project share.

1375
02:04:53,970 --> 02:04:56,610
The reason we had to take that approach is because,

1376
02:04:56,630 --> 02:04:59,950
far away by three MDC came up with a new criteria stating that,

1377
02:05:00,010 --> 02:05:04,050
they'd more and more are going to allocate based on population,

1378
02:05:04,490 --> 02:05:07,310
10 students, so they basically said,

1379
02:05:07,310 --> 02:05:09,050
every county within the area,

1380
02:05:09,050 --> 02:05:16,410
of the nine counties, the 370 familiar and the maximum account you can get will be their share

1381
02:05:16,410 --> 02:05:24,090
of like whatever 370 or the nine is and if they only have projects that qualify for it.

1382
02:05:24,190 --> 02:05:29,370
So if a county didn't have enough qualifying projects then they will lose that money and

1383
02:05:29,370 --> 02:05:35,290
some other county can potentially get more than they originally were about allocated for.

1384
02:05:35,290 --> 02:05:41,290
So, all the transportation authority ratio, all the regional cities and came with this collective

1385
02:05:41,290 --> 02:05:45,810
project for the Sigma's Continuate Signal Upgrade Project project, because communities

1386
02:05:45,810 --> 02:05:50,030
like us, we do have a little bit of struggle because there's various criteria requirements.

1387
02:05:50,170 --> 02:05:58,710
For example, one is having an equity priority community, which one that does not have, and the VMTC does is they scroll their applications based on that.

1388
02:05:58,990 --> 02:06:01,010
So, we always lose points on those kind of things.

1389
02:06:01,010 --> 02:06:02,830
But when you came up with the county,

1390
02:06:03,450 --> 02:06:06,350
we actually, on the full county scale,

1391
02:06:06,370 --> 02:06:07,830
we do qualify for certain things.

1392
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:09,970
So that's one approach we took.

1393
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:12,710
I mean, which really wouldn't also apply for a grant

1394
02:06:12,710 --> 02:06:14,690
to develop one of our pathways,

1395
02:06:15,150 --> 02:06:16,830
but unfortunately we were not too successful

1396
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:18,870
even at the county level,

1397
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:20,270
that alone empty sea level.

1398
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:21,810
Because the,

1399
02:06:21,810 --> 02:06:23,870
these policies basically empty sea users

1400
02:06:23,870 --> 02:06:25,950
to establish criteria.

1401
02:06:27,410 --> 02:06:30,050
And my understanding has been

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02:06:30,050 --> 02:06:36,310
that having the policy in place puts us qualifies as to apply for those grants,

1403
02:06:37,250 --> 02:06:39,970
there are usually some checks and balances that they come through.

1404
02:06:40,430 --> 02:06:45,270
For example, the measure J fronts that we deal with our transportation authority,

1405
02:06:45,470 --> 02:06:49,730
they require us to report every other year, and that is something I present to the council

1406
02:06:50,250 --> 02:06:52,270
when I take it over there.

1407
02:06:52,750 --> 02:06:55,530
We just follow back saying, this is how the funds were spent.

1408
02:06:55,690 --> 02:07:00,030
These are the policies that relate to that and the city is still in compliance.

1409
02:07:00,030 --> 02:07:04,550
are we are still working towards compliance? That's typically the approach they take. So just wanted

1410
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:10,210
to share the background and I'm happy to answer any questions we have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

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02:07:10,210 --> 02:07:10,750
you, Siva.

1412
02:07:13,250 --> 02:07:20,550
Can we move on to questions now? Okay. I have a lot of questions. Okay, but

1413
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:26,390
I have a lot of questions. How important are these O-Bag funds to the city of Arinda? Are there

1414
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:29,890
resources for funding these sorts of projects is that I just don't know

1415
02:07:29,890 --> 02:07:36,750
I'm new. So just trying to understand sort of the scale of the importance to the city.

1416
02:07:37,470 --> 02:07:41,170
And while you're answering that I'll ask one of my questions, which is it

1417
02:07:41,170 --> 02:07:44,810
looked from there were a couple slides actually that we had it. It looked like the

1418
02:07:44,810 --> 02:07:50,410
dollar amount was actually not simply the, you know, if you count in the smart

1419
02:07:50,410 --> 02:07:58,210
signals and you count in the multimodal path and the grant and if we if we told it all

1420
02:07:58,210 --> 02:08:05,250
up it's I was doing the math as we were going through the slides in the number was I thought

1421
02:08:05,250 --> 02:08:10,410
you were doing dollars for okay wasn't it even okay I thought it was even more well we have

1422
02:08:10,410 --> 02:08:16,470
the multimodal path grant to potentially anyway if you could go through it I'd so the grant

1423
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:23,570
you're certainly looking to obtain with the town of Maraga for Maraga way improvements. That's also an

1424
02:08:23,570 --> 02:08:28,450
MTC grant is that part of this process? No that is slightly different that's the regional measure

1425
02:08:28,450 --> 02:08:35,290
3 so they call it the RM3 grant that comes from the toll funds basically I do not know exactly

1426
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:42,130
which pockets of funds MTC taps into other than the toll funds for that money but this is usually

1427
02:08:42,130 --> 02:08:49,270
federal money that comes down through MTC, so they, again, I apologize, I don't know the

1428
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:53,430
specifics of how they come up with it. Basically, one way to look at it is, all the

1429
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:58,050
money is their MTC is responsible, disposing from this one. That's where the 750 million

1430
02:08:58,050 --> 02:09:08,430
comes and MTC has our regional MPO, as since policies and their policies guided based on the

1431
02:09:08,430 --> 02:09:13,430
area of 2050 documents. They're planned. We shouldn't document this.

1432
02:09:15,130 --> 02:09:15,890
And Councilmember Hawks.

1433
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:24,450
I don't know if I can provide more contact. I mean, see that there is really no other.

1434
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:28,390
I mean, MTC is our primary funding source, because they pass through money to the local

1435
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:31,430
to the regional CCTA as well, right? Right.

1436
02:09:32,690 --> 02:09:41,570
So they are a regional organization and then it comes down to CCTA, which is our local transportation,

1437
02:09:41,970 --> 02:09:44,870
current transportation authority and then locally gets distributed.

1438
02:09:45,590 --> 02:09:50,630
Now there are other funds, but the main federal funds, the source comes through and

1439
02:09:50,630 --> 02:09:53,050
see for what all money they have controlled.

1440
02:09:53,750 --> 02:10:02,990
OK, so the main benefit to a Rinda, if we choose to work to comply, is that we would

1441
02:10:02,990 --> 02:10:11,990
then be eligible for these grants and funding through MTC, or through O-Bag for projects

1442
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:17,350
for sounds like roads and traffic mitigation and things like that.

1443
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:24,970
I don't know how far the guidance requirements have been put in place for a back-for-yet,

1444
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:31,310
but looking at the history, I wouldn't be surprised if they carried over in a similar fashion.

1445
02:10:32,450 --> 02:10:35,210
So, one example would be like the Wilder Trail project.

1446
02:10:35,630 --> 02:10:42,350
We more than likely will be looking at a back-for grant, competitive grant to apply for,

1447
02:10:43,230 --> 02:10:50,570
and having, you know, all the document or process in place that qualifixes will definitely

1448
02:10:50,570 --> 02:10:52,290
benefit us.

1449
02:10:52,590 --> 02:10:57,550
Have we been denied grants in this third cycle that we've applied for?

1450
02:10:57,910 --> 02:11:04,750
We have been, so like you mentioned, so that after money's that the county got about $50

1451
02:11:04,750 --> 02:11:10,110
million, I don't know exactly, I don't think they exact value, the county's flooded two

1452
02:11:10,110 --> 02:11:18,130
And they wanted to come up with a project that's 25, roughly 25 million dollars worth and that's where the signals project came in.

1453
02:11:18,410 --> 02:11:26,400
The other 25 million dollars, they actually asked us to submit projects that we were going to submit towards over three.

1454
02:11:27,070 --> 02:11:31,690
They did a first level competitive selection for the first 24 million.

1455
02:11:31,690 --> 02:11:40,430
And then together with their countywide sickness project they submitted their MTC and then those got evaluated on a regional basis.

1456
02:11:40,810 --> 02:11:47,850
So it's no more that we are designated to get a 50 million dollar project and we will get as long as there's a project.

1457
02:11:48,510 --> 02:11:53,890
Now we are competing regionally for money is against other cities who have

1458
02:11:53,890 --> 02:11:56,610
We're able to show much more larger projects,

1459
02:11:57,010 --> 02:11:58,990
like a much more larger dollar value support,

1460
02:11:59,010 --> 02:12:04,150
match funds, community needs and priority needs and all that.

1461
02:12:06,370 --> 02:12:10,830
So, we simply want to, yeah, we will definitely need funds like that.

1462
02:12:11,470 --> 02:12:14,610
And our project, although, by cycle three,

1463
02:12:15,190 --> 02:12:18,950
we submitted a individual project, hoping that we will get some grants to go

1464
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:23,110
on resolving a part on communal Pablo,

1465
02:12:24,030 --> 02:12:26,330
but we, other grant was not competitive enough,

1466
02:12:26,570 --> 02:12:28,850
so it didn't get submitted to even MTC.

1467
02:12:29,250 --> 02:12:31,630
So it, there are much more competitive pros

1468
02:12:31,630 --> 02:12:34,930
if it's in the county level that actually are called fairness.

1469
02:12:35,230 --> 02:12:36,630
And I heard you say you thought

1470
02:12:36,630 --> 02:12:39,930
to be substantially compliant would be 85%.

1471
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:42,310
But it's unclear to me of 85% of white.

1472
02:12:42,890 --> 02:12:44,710
So if we're not at all compliant

1473
02:12:44,710 --> 02:12:46,630
in the commercial area, for instance,

1474
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:48,450
does that knock us out altogether?

1475
02:12:48,450 --> 02:12:58,750
So we don't like why are we bothering with the rest or I'm just unclear as to the substantial compliance and what it would take for the city of Arinda to be substantially compliant

1476
02:12:59,330 --> 02:13:06,790
I know Darren's probably had more conversations with the NTC staff that's been liaising with us on that

1477
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:12,410
Yes, we simply just don't have guidance on that right now. I think is ultimately what it comes down to

1478
02:13:12,410 --> 02:13:21,750
The discussions that were brought up in the past were ultimately that there's it's going to be very hard to quantify this because a lot of these are policy based.

1479
02:13:23,170 --> 02:13:26,650
And and just depend on how far the communities are pushing these.

1480
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:38,230
So so the guidance right now is that it's going to they're roughly putting out 85% to roughly putting out this idea of substantially compliant.

1481
02:13:38,230 --> 02:13:47,050
We're not ultimately going to know whether or not we're considered substantially compliance until we have additional guidance from MTC.

1482
02:13:47,810 --> 02:13:54,730
We do expect that to happen at some point in the spring time as they start to develop their O-Bag force cycle requirements.

1483
02:13:54,730 --> 02:14:01,190
The why wouldn't we proceed with the policies and things that we think would actually benefit

1484
02:14:01,190 --> 02:14:09,350
Rinden and current Rinden residents and wait and see what MTC says about those actions.

1485
02:14:09,610 --> 02:14:14,230
I'm thinking of the inclusionary housing policy, which I think we could argue.

1486
02:14:14,730 --> 02:14:22,050
You might benefit Rinden to have our design reviews standards, which I think would benefit

1487
02:14:22,050 --> 02:14:27,910
are in to to have them place, like why don't we work towards those policies that we as a community

1488
02:14:28,910 --> 02:14:35,070
might agree we need to have them place and wait and see on the rest what MTC tells us.

1489
02:14:35,330 --> 02:14:40,770
So I think if if if if that's the question we'll do that but otherwise if we're a okay

1490
02:14:40,770 --> 02:14:46,410
more discussion. If it is a question I want to make sure it's answered. I'm just trying to understand

1491
02:14:46,410 --> 02:14:49,550
from a planning commission perspective,

1492
02:14:51,950 --> 02:14:56,230
what the recommendation is for Rinda to pursue

1493
02:14:56,230 --> 02:14:58,690
versus all of these issues.

1494
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:14,300
So we included on the policy side we bolded the ones that we thought that staff level thought would be relatively benign, easier for us to implement, and ones that were consistent with things that we already had to do.

1495
02:15:15,080 --> 02:15:25,240
Okay, so we're going to continue to pursue the inclusionary zoning. We're going to continue to pursue the ministerial approval updates that we need to make in order to be consistent with the housing element.

1496
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:33,660
But there were other things on that list that went beyond sort of the requirements from the current certified housing element.

1497
02:15:34,420 --> 02:15:38,160
And so that's what we were looking to sort of get some feedback on.

1498
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:46,680
I mean, there's a lot of areas where you can pick from and we were trying to come up with the things that we thought were probably most appropriate for the community.

1499
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:50,240
But we may have got it wrong. You might have different thoughts about that.

1500
02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:55,480
So we want to hear what your thoughts were about that, and then generally around these issues

1501
02:15:55,480 --> 02:16:02,700
of density, which I know are a little bit different than what is currently being proposed

1502
02:16:02,700 --> 02:16:04,460
as part of the downtown precise plan.

1503
02:16:05,540 --> 02:16:10,840
So if we have additional questions, I just want to before we get into standing discussion,

1504
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:14,720
we still have public comment, and then we'll come back for discussion in terms of process.

1505
02:16:15,340 --> 02:16:18,760
So I know I had a couple some questions, do you want to go ahead?

1506
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:20,680
I'm interested to hear.

1507
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:21,900
Okay, I have a lot of comments.

1508
02:16:22,420 --> 02:16:22,820
I have a lot of comments.

1509
02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:25,600
Question, please.

1510
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:32,340
What is the estimated cost to the city?

1511
02:16:33,180 --> 02:16:37,360
I know that there was that one item that 50,000 a year.

1512
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:37,900
Yeah.

1513
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:43,180
So we do have the $200,000 commitment for a four year cycle.

1514
02:16:43,900 --> 02:16:48,140
Other than this, the cost would be largely within staff time.

1515
02:16:48,140 --> 02:16:53,560
staff time, some consultant time, we have applied for technical assistance funding.

1516
02:16:54,980 --> 02:16:58,120
So there's no result on that yet, so we don't have anything to report on that.

1517
02:16:58,260 --> 02:17:01,860
But that's dealing with some of the parking management policies and how we can approach

1518
02:17:01,860 --> 02:17:03,540
parking management in downtown Arinda.

1519
02:17:05,060 --> 02:17:10,900
A lot of these aren't going to require a lot of funding commitments, for instance, looking

1520
02:17:10,900 --> 02:17:18,500
at the preservation policies to and for both of those, that's the providing tenants, first

1521
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:23,820
right of refusal and also the requirement for condominiums to be replaced with comparable

1522
02:17:23,820 --> 02:17:24,540
rental units.

1523
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:32,880
Those are policies actually that MTC has pledged to provide sample or model ordinances in May of

1524
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:33,400
2025.

1525
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:40,120
So some of these policies that we are looking at that we're already not pursuing or that we

1526
02:17:40,120 --> 02:17:46,320
are currently not pursuing, we would continue to get assistance from MTC. We also have access

1527
02:17:46,320 --> 02:17:51,940
they do have, or they have higher consultants that they have assigned to the cities. So we

1528
02:17:51,940 --> 02:17:56,920
are in contact with some of the consultants that they have in order to get additional assistance

1529
02:17:56,920 --> 02:17:59,900
and that is free to the city.

1530
02:18:01,300 --> 02:18:08,400
Can we get numbers to support all those possible consultancies or technical assistance?

1531
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:16,740
I think we can do some rough estimates of sort of the time and the value of that time and

1532
02:18:16,740 --> 02:18:17,060
the results.

1533
02:18:17,520 --> 02:18:17,600
Yeah.

1534
02:18:17,860 --> 02:18:18,460
Is it 200?

1535
02:18:19,140 --> 02:18:19,260
Yeah.

1536
02:18:19,740 --> 02:18:19,800
Yeah.

1537
02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:20,820
We can do that.

1538
02:18:21,140 --> 02:18:22,300
It'll be an estimate.

1539
02:18:23,100 --> 02:18:23,220
Yeah.

1540
02:18:23,220 --> 02:18:23,380
Yeah.

1541
02:18:23,380 --> 02:18:25,620
We can grasp.

1542
02:18:27,820 --> 02:18:29,740
Other questions?

1543
02:18:32,460 --> 02:18:34,420
I had a couple.

1544
02:18:34,420 --> 02:18:38,460
From the presentation, it looked like

1545
02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:47,300
something in my correct and understanding, if a jurisdiction

1546
02:18:47,300 --> 02:18:55,020
is not substantially compliant, could it jeopardize our ability to either participate

1547
02:18:55,020 --> 02:19:01,080
originally in application for grants under CCTA or receive money from CCTA?

1548
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:08,600
That was the guidance that we got today from MTC staff was that CCTA, ultimately, is taking

1549
02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:14,360
guidance from MTC on what products they fund, so they are also essentially looking at the

1550
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:20,900
TOC policy and how compliance the jurisdictions that are supporting it to that more.

1551
02:19:20,900 --> 02:19:32,260
Okay. And for, and could that have an impact then on the regional wide evacuation,

1552
02:19:34,060 --> 02:19:36,900
grant funding that we're looking at through CCTA?

1553
02:19:38,460 --> 02:19:41,400
Like, could TSC compliance be a factor in that application?

1554
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:46,480
No, no, the answer to that. We would have to double check that, but that is a CCTA grant.

1555
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:50,440
That's a CCTA grant. I don't know where it's funding

1556
02:19:50,900 --> 02:19:56,300
came from initially, if it was generated from CCTA, source of soil,

1557
02:19:56,420 --> 02:19:58,140
or if it was a pass through from NTC.

1558
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:02,880
And then the other, because it was mentioned in the slideshow,

1559
02:20:03,460 --> 02:20:08,440
I mean, the PowerPoint, the RM3 grant was regional measure 3,

1560
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:11,960
and that's the multimodal path, and that's a joint grant

1561
02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:16,020
between the Rindenmaraga that we are seeking, right?

1562
02:20:16,020 --> 02:20:29,020
Okay, sorry, because my, is that the same grant that we've been talking about that if could potentially allow us to, because it's about improving pedestrian and bike access correct.

1563
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:39,940
There is a little bit of strategy involved in that, but if I were to collect it correctly,

1564
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,220
I think all three also has different categories.

1565
02:20:43,580 --> 02:20:50,620
The categories we used was connecting to transit and to the greater area.

1566
02:20:50,780 --> 02:20:54,100
So basically the idea was connecting a community like Maraga,

1567
02:20:54,100 --> 02:21:02,360
have more access to bar and sunset or more access to bar. Other than mostly depending on driving

1568
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:08,060
and limited counting and action right now. And then I'm loving them eventually to access

1569
02:21:08,060 --> 02:21:14,560
like the Bay Trail and San Francisco area and all that. Creators on Francisco. So I don't

1570
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:19,600
recall the exact name of that category you invented but that was the strategy we used. But it's

1571
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:31,740
It would allow, is that the same one that would allow for more bicycle and pedestrian access and also potentially would give us opportunities to have more.

1572
02:21:31,900 --> 02:21:43,320
If it were carried out in its ideal vision it would potentially also allow us to have greater access to use in an evacuation.

1573
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:45,260
Yeah, an auxiliary lane for evacuation.

1574
02:21:45,260 --> 02:21:55,800
Yeah, absolutely. The study itself, I mean, I mentioned what category of the grant we applied in, but the study's goal is basically they're one, they're less

1575
02:21:55,800 --> 02:22:08,120
to know the feasibility of building a pathway, either a great separated or adjacent, and a class one bike, basically. So it's like 10 to 12 feet wide path, connecting basically.

1576
02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:16,960
Muroga, the Lafayette Muroga Trail, along Muroga, we are touring about that's the goal for

1577
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:24,040
that project study and a part of that size emergency vehicle will be able to access the

1578
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:24,540
during the event.

1579
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:25,580
Thank you.

1580
02:22:25,700 --> 02:22:26,360
That's what I know.

1581
02:22:26,740 --> 02:22:35,680
And then the tenant legal assistance program that was average, that was the one that had

1582
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:40,560
dollar figure of 50,000 per year. I thought I read in here maybe you said in the presentation

1583
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:51,220
that it isn't, it's an allocation or do we know, in other words, is that money,

1584
02:22:51,640 --> 02:22:58,660
a pot that's been required to be set aside in hopes it'll be used but if it's not used,

1585
02:22:59,020 --> 02:23:01,300
then we retain, is that correct?

1586
02:23:01,300 --> 02:23:07,080
That is correct. I believe, and I think this is a nuance that would have to be explored.

1587
02:23:07,580 --> 02:23:14,620
I believe that we would ultimately be, we would probably be contracting this out to an organization that provides these services.

1588
02:23:15,380 --> 02:23:19,460
So chances are there's going to be some administrative overhead funding.

1589
02:23:19,460 --> 02:23:24,560
I don't know if that counts towards $200,000, or if that's going to be an addition to the $200,000.

1590
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:35,560
And would it be fair to say that because these guidelines are being developed, we're going to learn more about what 85% compliance means and what a lot of this means over the next year.

1591
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:41,200
Is that, well, I mean, I think that the MTC is seeking,

1592
02:23:43,220 --> 02:23:50,160
information on whether the agencies wish to comply by January of 2026. So during this

1593
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:55,000
period of time, I'm sure going to be additional guidance being provided as they

1594
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:59,180
work through some of those issues. I think a lot of agencies are going to struggle

1595
02:23:59,180 --> 02:24:04,280
with the 85% compliance when, of course, there's no measurement for how to do that. And so

1596
02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:08,820
hopefully they'll refine that over the next 12 months, and that'll be easier for us to determine.

1597
02:24:09,260 --> 02:24:25,740
But, you know, and that's not going to leave us a lot of time to talk about a lot of these programs and policies, and so we thought we'd get ahead start on it, especially since decisions about this could inform things that we might need to look at with respect to the downtown precise plans.

1598
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:27,920
So we wanted to make sure we got a tube as early.

1599
02:24:28,220 --> 02:24:32,560
Got some input and feedback, and if we needed to come back and talk about it more, we had time to do that.

1600
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:36,960
And if the answer to any decisions that you guys want to take relative to the DPP.

1601
02:24:39,300 --> 02:24:42,900
Okay, those are my questions for any other question.

1602
02:24:45,950 --> 02:24:46,470
One more.

1603
02:24:48,270 --> 02:24:51,430
Is this federal funding like pretty stable?

1604
02:24:51,850 --> 02:24:55,110
This comes, this, we have the same amount available all the time.

1605
02:24:55,390 --> 02:24:58,350
Every year doesn't fluctuate.

1606
02:24:59,910 --> 02:25:01,190
I mean, I'm just, can it dry up?

1607
02:25:01,490 --> 02:25:04,870
Or, you know, because of political reasons it's not.

1608
02:25:05,070 --> 02:25:05,990
I don't know the answer that.

1609
02:25:06,130 --> 02:25:06,390
I don't know.

1610
02:25:06,390 --> 02:25:07,710
See if it has any answer to that.

1611
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:08,410
If it wasn't.

1612
02:25:08,490 --> 02:25:09,530
I'm willing to answer that.

1613
02:25:09,670 --> 02:25:10,910
I think I wonder.

1614
02:25:12,730 --> 02:25:20,810
I can answer that well enough for you, Janet, federal funding fluctuates greatly.

1615
02:25:21,910 --> 02:25:29,650
I think you can believe in the new administration that federal funding for California is going to see as many cutbacks as possible.

1616
02:25:29,650 --> 02:25:37,630
However, for the flow down of what we're talking about for Arinda, you know, what we have

1617
02:25:37,630 --> 02:25:44,130
the option to tap into through MTC, I think you can consider it very stable because we're

1618
02:25:44,130 --> 02:25:49,330
talking about a million dollars or two million dollars, or, you know, we're talking about

1619
02:25:49,330 --> 02:25:54,550
levels of money that are going to be there under any scenario you create.

1620
02:25:54,550 --> 02:26:02,710
If you were, you know, the city of Los Angeles, and you needed, you know, to brilliant, that's a different category, okay?

1621
02:26:02,870 --> 02:26:10,830
So for our purposes and our thinking, I think you can assume the amount of possibility for us is pretty stable.

1622
02:26:11,150 --> 02:26:11,490
Okay, thanks.

1623
02:26:14,570 --> 02:26:17,910
Okay, and the other questions before we move into public comment.

1624
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:21,090
Okay.

1625
02:26:22,970 --> 02:26:25,210
I will call public comment.

1626
02:26:25,430 --> 02:26:34,130
I have three speaker cards and the first one does not have a name, but it looks like the handwriting

1627
02:26:34,130 --> 02:26:38,110
looks like maybe this is Mr. Warnoff did you fill out?

1628
02:26:39,850 --> 02:26:41,310
Oh, thank you Mr. Warnoff.

1629
02:26:41,310 --> 02:26:43,890
I have a speaker card with no name, but it looks like your handwriting.

1630
02:26:44,330 --> 02:26:44,990
So I believe.

1631
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:47,190
Okay.

1632
02:26:47,430 --> 02:26:47,850
Thank you.

1633
02:26:47,850 --> 02:26:48,610
Thank you, Mr. Warnoff.

1634
02:26:54,860 --> 02:27:03,520
I believe that the city of Arinda should abandon this program and I plead guilty to

1635
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:11,440
calling it PDA and not TOC but everything I said applies equally to the TOC.

1636
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:19,580
The benefits of this program are entirely speculative and I could not disagree more with

1637
02:27:19,580 --> 02:27:25,980
But Councilmember G said about our funding being small, so it's going to be assured.

1638
02:27:26,660 --> 02:27:32,340
I don't know what you folks were doing yesterday, but based on what I saw on television,

1639
02:27:33,460 --> 02:27:39,240
California's funding is going to be slashed, and the little people at the bottom, like us,

1640
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:44,760
we're going to be completely cut off, but whether I'm right or whether Councilmember G is right,

1641
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:59,320
The benefit is speculative, but the harm to a render is certain and permanent, and it's not the staff time, it's not even $200,000.

1642
02:28:00,460 --> 02:28:02,580
It's the increase in density.

1643
02:28:03,440 --> 02:28:12,220
Once you upzone for the speculative benefit and things get built, and then the money isn't

1644
02:28:12,220 --> 02:28:18,760
there for some benefit, the buildings are there, they're not going to come down because

1645
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:21,120
the federal funding didn't come through.

1646
02:28:24,140 --> 02:28:31,440
The central tenant, if you look at the girls on page 13 of the packet, the girls are

1647
02:28:31,440 --> 02:28:38,640
about increasing density. And that is exactly what we cannot have. That is an existential

1648
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:48,780
issue in a render, an existential issue in a render. And although it may be true that the

1649
02:28:48,780 --> 02:28:56,380
$200,000 doesn't have to be spent, some of it may get spent, but it has to be set aside

1650
02:28:56,380 --> 02:29:03,580
and that's $200,000, you don't have it's $200,000, you could be spending on

1651
02:29:03,580 --> 02:29:09,240
control flow from a rug away, it's $200,000 you could be spending for the

1652
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:16,020
cut-through for access to Eastbound 24 for evacuation, but it's $200,000 you

1653
02:29:16,020 --> 02:29:20,100
won't have. There's a policy consideration,

1654
02:29:20,100 --> 02:29:31,020
legally, as I have shown, you are legally compelled to adopt or feasible mitigations because

1655
02:29:31,020 --> 02:29:38,420
you have a finding of a significant impact on emergency evacuation. You are legally

1656
02:29:38,420 --> 02:29:45,520
compelled to do everything you can to mitigate the impact of adding housing and to do

1657
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:49,960
This is going in the opposite direction of mitigation here.

1658
02:29:49,960 --> 02:29:52,920
You're making the matter even worse and worse and worse.

1659
02:29:53,340 --> 02:29:56,480
And you cannot legally do that.

1660
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,480
You then should use the opposite of trying to solve the problem, and it's not warranted here for a speculative benefit.

1661
02:30:08,440 --> 02:30:09,600
Thank you.

1662
02:30:09,780 --> 02:30:10,380
Thank you.

1663
02:30:13,880 --> 02:30:16,520
Next, we have Peter Levine.

1664
02:30:21,900 --> 02:30:23,760
Peter Levine.

1665
02:30:28,380 --> 02:30:29,380
Owen Murphy.

1666
02:30:38,910 --> 02:30:48,950
Good evening, too long evening. I have followed this matter. We're 17 years here in Arinda, since the original 2008 PDA Flurry.

1667
02:30:50,190 --> 02:30:54,650
I commented many times back in those days and less frequently in the interim.

1668
02:30:55,710 --> 02:30:56,450
It's back.

1669
02:30:57,690 --> 02:31:06,450
I'm here tonight to strongly support Mr. Warnoff's January 20th email to all of you on

1670
02:31:06,450 --> 02:31:09,210
this subject and his comments tonight.

1671
02:31:10,650 --> 02:31:16,630
Mr. Warnoff has spoken to Stephen and in prior occasions on many subjects, I strongly urge

1672
02:31:16,630 --> 02:31:22,150
You're not to tire of listening to his voice, especially on a matter of this important.

1673
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:30,600
Oh, look, I learned you are a bowels in your eyes, but I have a tough job ahead of you

1674
02:31:30,600 --> 02:31:37,380
to balance the implementation of the housing element with the fire, wild fire evacuation

1675
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:39,480
implementations.

1676
02:31:39,820 --> 02:31:41,300
Valence is the key work.

1677
02:31:41,640 --> 02:31:48,120
You understand that your citizens can be educated to understand the need for that balance

1678
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:50,740
50 signals and care about that balance.

1679
02:31:50,940 --> 02:31:52,540
A bag doesn't care about that balance.

1680
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:57,380
They're all about how we're into a tiny degree of transportation, which should be focused

1681
02:31:58,380 --> 02:31:58,900
on.

1682
02:32:00,360 --> 02:32:04,200
I don't know how to say it on the other way, but I just encourage you to make your own decisions

1683
02:32:04,780 --> 02:32:13,180
and not be blamed by having to implement all this overhead and uncertainty that currently

1684
02:32:13,180 --> 02:32:17,660
exist with this TRC remodel of the P.A.

1685
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:23,340
For the disclosure, I grew up with an F-mail of a bird station.

1686
02:32:23,900 --> 02:32:27,600
I have in that good area that was in the slide I was shown earlier.

1687
02:32:28,180 --> 02:32:33,980
I have been in the atmosphere of being here, if that was the actual subject of the discussion tonight.

1688
02:32:35,340 --> 02:32:37,500
Actually, I have to say the CV, that's interesting.

1689
02:32:37,660 --> 02:32:40,560
What kind of it's also, I hope, you know,

1690
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:42,500
and take the time and read them.

1691
02:32:42,580 --> 02:32:44,380
I wish any more of your time tonight.

1692
02:32:44,660 --> 02:32:45,560
Thank you.

1693
02:32:46,420 --> 02:32:46,920
Thank you.

1694
02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:50,400
And I just want to show you that we did receive your written comments.

1695
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:52,880
So thank you as well as some others.

1696
02:32:54,500 --> 02:32:56,620
Is there any other members of the public

1697
02:32:56,620 --> 02:32:58,800
that would like to speak on this item?

1698
02:32:58,980 --> 02:33:00,000
Who are here tonight?

1699
02:33:04,090 --> 02:33:05,530
I think a little bit different.

1700
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:06,350
Yeah.

1701
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:07,630
If you can.

1702
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:11,010
If you don't need to fill out a card.

1703
02:33:15,700 --> 02:33:21,860
You can come here, if you'd like, ma'am, and speak into that microphone, we would just need to hear you in a microphone.

1704
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,720
And if you could, if you could introduce yourself, and then.

1705
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:33,020
My name is Judy Eben, I live on Tahoe's Road.

1706
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:39,520
We live there for 50 years and have had state farm insurance for 50 years.

1707
02:33:39,980 --> 02:33:42,080
We're not going to be renewed.

1708
02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:52,940
We have some beautiful oak trees that the fire department might want us to take out city of a room that has different rules.

1709
02:33:53,460 --> 02:34:05,380
And what I'm concerned about is when are you two going to get together and come up with rules that will please both of you because I hesitate to do anything.

1710
02:34:05,380 --> 02:34:08,820
State Farm said, oh, do you have trees?

1711
02:34:09,460 --> 02:34:12,660
We would have never, we would have never,

1712
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:14,940
ensured you if we knew you had trees,

1713
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:16,880
a window, 50 years ago.

1714
02:34:17,080 --> 02:34:20,420
So one of our trees is all over a hundred years old.

1715
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:25,100
This is a conference's way beyond a window's rule that.

1716
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:28,540
And yet it's close to the house.

1717
02:34:29,340 --> 02:34:30,680
So what do we do?

1718
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:33,120
I'm going to wait and not do anything

1719
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:42,280
until we find out that Maraga, Fire District, and Arinda are on the same page of what we should do.

1720
02:34:42,460 --> 02:34:44,840
Have you done any research into that?

1721
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:50,360
Because I can't get this straight answer from both, you know,

1722
02:34:51,460 --> 02:34:58,020
I have the call to the hall of call, fire wise, chairman, and things like that, so that's my main concern.

1723
02:34:58,820 --> 02:35:00,460
So hopefully you'll think about that.

1724
02:35:00,460 --> 02:35:06,440
I don't know if you any of you are in this position but it's really scary to not be able to get insurance.

1725
02:35:07,080 --> 02:35:07,340
Yeah.

1726
02:35:07,620 --> 02:35:08,500
Thank you.

1727
02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:14,700
And we're not allowed to respond to public comment directly with that.

1728
02:35:15,300 --> 02:35:16,260
So that's the process.

1729
02:35:16,580 --> 02:35:18,180
That's why we didn't respond to others.

1730
02:35:19,340 --> 02:35:20,620
But thank you for making this aware.

1731
02:35:20,820 --> 02:35:21,580
I think we are aware.

1732
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:30,280
And I want to commend Nick for trying to fill the whole community in on some very, very important things.

1733
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:32,840
that some people never even think about

1734
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:35,520
in helping, I think it's helping to render a lot,

1735
02:35:35,660 --> 02:35:37,820
to have an opinion like that,

1736
02:35:38,300 --> 02:35:40,800
for when Con, but I think he's great,

1737
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:45,640
and Peter, whoever supported him, I agree to.

1738
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:48,700
So, you know, I'm kind of, should ignore,

1739
02:35:48,860 --> 02:35:52,100
we're proactive, but I'm really fired up about this.

1740
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:53,280
So, thank you, Paul.

1741
02:35:54,220 --> 02:35:56,820
Thank you for your comment then.

1742
02:35:59,060 --> 02:36:01,240
Okay, did we have any other members

1743
02:36:01,240 --> 02:36:03,820
of the public that would like to come in on the side of

1744
02:36:06,350 --> 02:36:06,570
them.

1745
02:36:06,570 --> 02:36:10,810
Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring this back to the council for discussion.

1746
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:18,260
Do we know what our neighboring cities, Moraga and Lafayette are doing vis-a-vis this TOC?

1747
02:36:21,540 --> 02:36:27,480
Well, I guess I don't know if staff has had the opportunity to talk with them yet.

1748
02:36:27,480 --> 02:36:32,840
I know a lot of jurisdictions are now trying to grapple with the TOC policy and how to potentially

1749
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:33,760
implement it.

1750
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:37,800
I would suggest morog and may not be subject to it.

1751
02:36:39,660 --> 02:36:42,980
Correct, given their proximity, or lack their F2 ad.

1752
02:36:43,360 --> 02:36:45,680
Love, yeah, most certainly is.

1753
02:36:46,970 --> 02:36:48,990
May I, yes, the highest mayor?

1754
02:36:49,010 --> 02:36:50,070
Pick my neck out.

1755
02:36:50,930 --> 02:36:53,810
And try to see if I can put a positive framework on this,

1756
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:58,070
because this was presented to us about six or nine months ago,

1757
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:59,890
and it was really scary.

1758
02:37:00,110 --> 02:37:05,150
It was framed as more, you know,

1759
02:37:05,150 --> 02:37:13,530
impossible burdens before we had even met the last impossible burden, and rules that were so poorly fit

1760
02:37:13,530 --> 02:37:19,830
to our facts that we had no chance of complying. I thought this presentation was really

1761
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:26,090
got up to the core mission in philosophy of what MTC is trying to accomplish, and I feel like the way

1762
02:37:26,090 --> 02:37:32,030
it's being framed as there's more carrots and sticks. Unlike the arena where if you don't meet

1763
02:37:32,030 --> 02:37:37,010
every single check on the checkbox, there's horrible consequences.

1764
02:37:37,270 --> 02:37:39,970
Here I feel like, these are good grants.

1765
02:37:40,330 --> 02:37:44,070
I want these grants, but these are not life or death if we don't get them.

1766
02:37:44,250 --> 02:37:46,170
And a lot of times we don't get them.

1767
02:37:46,910 --> 02:37:55,290
I read this in the spirit of, we have a BART station, and MTC, their mission is to

1768
02:37:55,290 --> 02:38:04,890
see maximum mixed use office retail and residential as dense as possible around transit resources

1769
02:38:05,530 --> 02:38:11,050
and equity for that organization is a primary goal.

1770
02:38:11,690 --> 02:38:17,870
So these rules are their way of trying to create maximum compliance with their mission.

1771
02:38:18,770 --> 02:38:22,810
I didn't read this as we're going to lose everything if we don't comply.

1772
02:38:22,810 --> 02:38:28,510
I actually read it in the spirit that to the extent we are doing things that are compatible,

1773
02:38:28,670 --> 02:38:37,370
just as Councilmember Hoxy said, let's try to show that we also respect affordable housing

1774
02:38:37,370 --> 02:38:43,710
and equity and putting density closer to the transit resources. But let's not turn ourselves

1775
02:38:43,710 --> 02:38:48,690
upside down, change what we're doing. We have to comply with a housing element in the arena.

1776
02:38:48,690 --> 02:39:02,450
And to the extent this is compatible, I like a lot of the things that I see about the, you know, not having global congestion where everyone is doing a single occupancy vehicle everywhere they're going.

1777
02:39:03,350 --> 02:39:07,730
Planning for parking that makes sense when things do get more congested.

1778
02:39:07,730 --> 02:39:14,910
I think there are a lot of good ways to show good faith compliance, but I did not see this

1779
02:39:16,750 --> 02:39:24,290
as the initial threat of fear of loss, so hopefully we can take it in that spirit.

1780
02:39:25,850 --> 02:39:26,670
Thank you.

1781
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:28,510
Heather, come on, councilmember.

1782
02:39:28,730 --> 02:39:31,130
Yeah, I have a lot to try to continue myself.

1783
02:39:31,130 --> 02:39:38,670
So I absolutely care very much about not going overboard on density, okay?

1784
02:39:39,150 --> 02:39:47,630
I think this is a fine line, try to weave it together, take what we already have, because

1785
02:39:47,630 --> 02:39:55,070
I have another aspect of this that I think is extremely critical, and that is I think a lot

1786
02:39:55,070 --> 02:40:05,570
this is trying to weave together and not to not eliminate ourselves while we do other things.

1787
02:40:06,050 --> 02:40:11,350
And I disagree that this OBEG funding isn't important to us.

1788
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:16,810
It's super important because we don't have any way to backstop it and it's just going

1789
02:40:16,810 --> 02:40:17,870
to get worse and worse.

1790
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:23,450
I'm looking at seeing it because he understands because the notion of transportation funding

1791
02:40:23,450 --> 02:40:32,270
today's environment is to go all competitive and we are already at a huge disadvantage and some

1792
02:40:32,270 --> 02:40:37,890
of the things that you mentioned, things like the pavement to make morag away, essentially

1793
02:40:37,890 --> 02:40:44,750
three lanes for things like evacuation, things that can connect that provide more routes.

1794
02:40:45,310 --> 02:40:51,770
All the kinds of these things tie into the biggest most important issue, right?

1795
02:40:51,770 --> 02:40:57,490
And as far as the fact that yes, the whole community has, as there are number one,

1796
02:40:57,490 --> 02:41:03,470
priority, fire safety, and getting out of here if the worst case scenario happens, right?

1797
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:05,390
That ought to make it perfect sense.

1798
02:41:06,070 --> 02:41:10,070
But that doesn't mean everything else in this community is going to go away.

1799
02:41:10,830 --> 02:41:10,870
Okay?

1800
02:41:11,330 --> 02:41:11,810
We're right here.

1801
02:41:11,810 --> 02:41:18,450
I've gotten 15 emails in the last month about very many others with kids walking to school

1802
02:41:18,450 --> 02:41:23,890
that want more crosswalks. We're just where we get the money to plan for those crosswalks.

1803
02:41:24,190 --> 02:41:28,350
Okay? And this is the only source of it. We can say we can take it out of our own pocketbook,

1804
02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:34,450
but then that's taking one way from the number one priority as well. There is a lot of,

1805
02:41:35,390 --> 02:41:43,870
there is a lot of thinking and strategy that goes with transportation funding, and it's only becoming worse.

1806
02:41:43,870 --> 02:41:53,990
So trying to get out of the game, I think this is a, this is a careful weaving together without going overboard because I don't want to go overboard.

1807
02:41:54,190 --> 02:42:01,230
In fact, I'm ready to go the other way in terms of really being very concerned about not overdoing the density issue.

1808
02:42:01,990 --> 02:42:03,770
I'm very willing to look at that.

1809
02:42:04,270 --> 02:42:11,850
But if there's one place where a property does belong, it's closest to the part station and that's probably where we can again tell the best story.

1810
02:42:11,850 --> 02:42:33,050
But I think the most critical element to everything is the one that hasn't come up tonight, although I did discuss it with the city manager this afternoon, and that is why gosh, we need to be out there robbing 15C by my count, and I don't even have the right number at the top of my head, has a minimum of 16 commissioners, there are a lot of new incoming commissioners that since the T.A.

1811
02:42:33,050 --> 02:42:36,670
but the real important part is the NTC Commissioners,

1812
02:42:36,890 --> 02:42:39,950
they'll turn the lobby, they'll turn the lobby hard,

1813
02:42:40,330 --> 02:42:42,950
and they should be rather hard in the aftermath

1814
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:45,310
of this further situation in LA,

1815
02:42:45,870 --> 02:42:48,470
than some of the communities in the Bay Area,

1816
02:42:48,690 --> 02:42:52,570
like Aurora, but shouldn't be at the mercy

1817
02:42:52,570 --> 02:42:55,970
of every aspect of this T.O.C. policy

1818
02:42:55,970 --> 02:43:00,610
because of our vulnerability to fire.

1819
02:43:00,610 --> 02:43:01,170
Okay?

1820
02:43:01,570 --> 02:43:05,090
This TRC policy can be changed tomorrow by MTC.

1821
02:43:05,530 --> 02:43:08,250
This is a completely brought together.

1822
02:43:08,330 --> 02:43:13,970
This is part of how I want the talented people and the Lafayette Maragawa Render Coalition.

1823
02:43:14,930 --> 02:43:21,010
And just telling you, getting our bets out, because first of all, two of the MTC commissioners

1824
02:43:21,010 --> 02:43:25,350
said on CCTA, one of them, the least one is Candice Anderson.

1825
02:43:29,490 --> 02:43:30,110
Okay?

1826
02:43:30,110 --> 02:43:35,970
from who took Amy's place from President Hill, both of them are incredibly clear to

1827
02:43:35,970 --> 02:43:41,910
possibilities for understanding that a community like Aurenda and Lafayette are not

1828
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:47,210
the kinds of communities that should be subject to the kinds of things you want to build

1829
02:43:47,210 --> 02:43:49,230
in Oakland and San Francisco, okay?

1830
02:43:49,610 --> 02:43:52,830
And I think we have got to add that into the mix.

1831
02:43:53,410 --> 02:43:58,890
Do you define the answer in the short term because losing the couple million dollars a year

1832
02:43:58,890 --> 02:44:01,670
that we get, there's no replacement for a folks,

1833
02:44:02,210 --> 02:44:04,470
we just, that's not gonna come from anywhere else.

1834
02:44:04,630 --> 02:44:07,790
And I don't wanna see us lose access to all that money,

1835
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:09,570
because some of that money does relate.

1836
02:44:09,970 --> 02:44:13,510
I mean, the smart signals program, that part of that's open money.

1837
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:15,670
If we had gotten turned down for that,

1838
02:44:15,930 --> 02:44:19,690
the smart signals program does relate to evacuation.

1839
02:44:20,230 --> 02:44:22,770
It's not the primary component of it,

1840
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:24,250
but it's related to it.

1841
02:44:24,590 --> 02:44:27,290
It could be very important at a certain moment time.

1842
02:44:27,290 --> 02:44:34,390
So I don't want to take that off the table, but I want to lobby hard that they have got to get this cleaned up to make more sense.

1843
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:43,550
And I would suggest that we have got to lobby with our other small city crowd in the Bay Area too, because it's not just us.

1844
02:44:44,130 --> 02:44:48,970
I had a long talk with a very intelligent person that was very in the know about this this morning.

1845
02:44:48,970 --> 02:44:53,930
And there aren't places like no valley and other places that are subject to these requirements.

1846
02:44:54,370 --> 02:44:59,970
Maybe not always because of a boat station, but because of some other transit facility that we need a...

1847
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:17,280
Now, we need a coalition that's a little bit more building of the willing of the small cities, for this policy really belongs in Oakland and San Francisco and San Jose and you know, maybe a Palo Alto or, you know, someplace where what makes some greater sense.

1848
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:29,980
But I think we've got the best argument in the world right now over the fire safety issue. So, through the dance, we'll leave it in the short term and do the dance for the longer term that makes it a more believable.

1849
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:31,380
in the area for us.

1850
02:45:31,540 --> 02:45:33,000
We're not going to get rid of the bird station.

1851
02:45:33,440 --> 02:45:35,000
I once upon a time, I thought the bird station

1852
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:38,140
was one of the most valuable assets in a render.

1853
02:45:38,500 --> 02:45:40,480
In recent times, it's become one of our biggest

1854
02:45:40,480 --> 02:45:41,060
liabilities.

1855
02:45:41,940 --> 02:45:46,340
So I think that the reality is, we've got to work with keeping

1856
02:45:46,340 --> 02:45:50,560
it as much of an asset as we can and work through this.

1857
02:45:50,660 --> 02:45:53,060
And also, we have the ability part of the reason

1858
02:45:53,060 --> 02:45:56,460
I wanted to see us bring on advocacy was, it's not just

1859
02:45:56,460 --> 02:45:58,920
lobbying the MTC commissioners, but it's also

1860
02:45:58,920 --> 02:46:02,800
lobbying our legislators. So those are my comments.

1861
02:46:04,780 --> 02:46:10,660
Thank you. Council members, Rally, Hockfeet, do you want to?

1862
02:46:10,660 --> 02:46:15,000
Well, I'm obviously new to all of this and just trying to take it all in and

1863
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:18,780
understand the dance as you so aptly put it.

1864
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:23,540
I think we have to look at everything from the lens of what benefits

1865
02:46:23,540 --> 02:46:33,740
And that's why I asked the questions about the funding and what we use that funding for and what we need that funding for and where else we could get that funding.

1866
02:46:34,220 --> 02:46:37,460
It seems clear that there aren't a lot of other sources.

1867
02:46:38,320 --> 02:46:42,460
It also seems clear that what council member G said is absolutely true.

1868
02:46:42,620 --> 02:46:50,740
We need to get MTC to change some of these things in light of the wildfire risk that we all acknowledge and understand we face.

1869
02:46:51,580 --> 02:46:53,760
But we still need the funding.

1870
02:46:54,760 --> 02:46:57,860
So as I started to say earlier during the question period,

1871
02:46:58,180 --> 02:47:02,080
I feel like we need to look hard at the things

1872
02:47:02,080 --> 02:47:06,040
that we can already do and are trying to do

1873
02:47:06,040 --> 02:47:08,820
and policies that would benefit a rinda to adopt

1874
02:47:09,500 --> 02:47:12,000
possibly an inclusionary housing policy,

1875
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:14,260
possibly the design reviews standards.

1876
02:47:15,240 --> 02:47:19,640
Well, not doing the things that would be negative for a rinda.

1877
02:47:19,640 --> 02:47:26,020
to the extent that we can avoid it and, you know, the other thing I'm beginning to learn

1878
02:47:26,020 --> 02:47:32,920
is that, you know, zoning and allowing doesn't necessarily equate to building, so that even

1879
02:47:32,920 --> 02:47:37,340
if we adopt policies, that doesn't necessarily mean people are going to come in and build

1880
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:43,640
to those standards, so those are the things I've been thinking of.

1881
02:47:43,640 --> 02:48:03,640
Okay, and I just, it is 954, so before I have to interrupt someone in the sentence, can we have a motion to extend the meeting by, I don't think we have a separate point in the council member or that might take a couple minutes, so I'm going to propose until 1020.

1882
02:48:08,290 --> 02:48:10,810
I don't have to extended 1020.

1883
02:48:11,070 --> 02:48:11,570
Do I have a second?

1884
02:48:12,250 --> 02:48:21,710
Okay. All in favour? Hi. Any opposed? Thank you. All right. I just before we wrap up, I wanted to

1885
02:48:21,710 --> 02:48:30,050
pass along two more comments. One is that innate in the MTC policy is the idea that bark transportation

1886
02:48:30,050 --> 02:48:36,670
will be usable to evacuate. All of this not allowing any parking within that half mile or even

1887
02:48:36,670 --> 02:48:42,050
putting maximums of parking assumes that people are, you know, that these are urban environments

1888
02:48:42,050 --> 02:48:48,050
like San Francisco or Oakland where people will live without a car. In order to do that,

1889
02:48:48,070 --> 02:48:54,810
if there were an evacuation, people would have to know that they could get out on bark. And from all

1890
02:48:54,810 --> 02:48:59,610
of the public comments we've gotten, I don't know one person in Arinda who would rely on bark to

1891
02:48:59,610 --> 02:49:05,250
evacuate. And so I just want to address that disconnect because all of their parking requirements

1892
02:49:05,250 --> 02:49:11,590
are fundamentally in conflict with today's reality that nobody has any

1893
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:16,270
trust and confidence. It will be there for them in a situation like that.

1894
02:49:17,170 --> 02:49:21,590
On the other hand, I do think a Bart Lot is one of our kind of... I forget what the word is.

1895
02:49:21,670 --> 02:49:27,590
It's like a refuge of gathering spot. So the Bart Lot itself might be safe, but the

1896
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:33,210
Bart Transportation System as of today, they're asking us to do the impossible.

1897
02:49:33,210 --> 02:49:44,170
The only other comment is for the staff to look at page 9 of 61 in the packet, production policy for public lands for affordable housing.

1898
02:49:44,710 --> 02:49:57,330
And again, this is like armchair land use planning, but as I read the specific language of the purpose of that policy and the relevant state law being the surplus lands act,

1899
02:49:57,330 --> 02:50:02,490
I think we don't have to be the owner of that policy.

1900
02:50:02,750 --> 02:50:10,130
It seems to me like activating surplus lands owned by any public agency, accomplishes that

1901
02:50:10,130 --> 02:50:14,850
goal and that would apply to the cow-trans site even more so than ultimately the bar

1902
02:50:14,850 --> 02:50:15,090
site.

1903
02:50:15,170 --> 02:50:19,570
But if you look at some of the things about it's for places where land is not very available,

1904
02:50:19,790 --> 02:50:26,370
will land very expensive that we are affordable housing won't happen unless a public land

1905
02:50:26,370 --> 02:50:29,690
owner makes that land available with deed restrictions for affordable.

1906
02:50:30,330 --> 02:50:35,010
That all felt like it was talking to the kind of opportunity we have at the Cal

1907
02:50:35,010 --> 02:50:35,610
Transite.

1908
02:50:36,290 --> 02:50:41,090
And I would just ask you to talk to MTC and CF, that might be one of these over and

1909
02:50:41,090 --> 02:50:46,490
above compliance is that would save us some of the more technical stuff if we are

1910
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:48,310
activating that type.

1911
02:50:48,510 --> 02:50:50,050
And that was everything.

1912
02:50:50,750 --> 02:51:01,410
And I don't want to be a lot of really great points that I have the way, but I genuinely

1913
02:51:02,730 --> 02:51:09,910
agree that we should to the extent it is consistent with our housing element and other things

1914
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:14,470
absolutely make an effort to substantially comply because we do need these funds.

1915
02:51:14,470 --> 02:51:25,230
And more importantly, I think this ties in pretty critically with our planning for evacuation,

1916
02:51:25,830 --> 02:51:31,090
because it is in a Rinda problem, but it is a regional problem, right?

1917
02:51:32,470 --> 02:51:39,190
And we are, you know, the smart signals is cute because it allows us to synchronize those signals

1918
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:41,250
in the event of an evacuation or an emergency,

1919
02:51:43,290 --> 02:51:45,790
and that's a regional effort with the regional,

1920
02:51:46,110 --> 02:51:48,630
you know, with grants.

1921
02:51:51,230 --> 02:51:56,850
And also, you know, the multi-notta pop on Marag away, I think,

1922
02:51:57,110 --> 02:52:02,930
could be hugely critical in it if we're able to get that funding in the event of evacuation,

1923
02:52:02,930 --> 02:52:12,670
because it could allow for third grade, which, together with Contraflow, could be maybe helpful in an area that is, you know, geographically otherwise limited, right?

1924
02:52:13,690 --> 02:52:21,690
So, and I think that in general, we need to be looking at evacuation and emergency preparedness on a regional level and a county-wide level.

1925
02:52:21,690 --> 02:52:28,590
and that's why that's why this is important. So it's not, it is actually to me, it

1926
02:52:28,590 --> 02:52:35,250
beyond definitely meeting the money in terms of the funding for these projects because there's

1927
02:52:35,250 --> 02:52:40,170
really isn't another sort of, you know, and I think Council Member G, you know, reference this.

1928
02:52:40,350 --> 02:52:47,450
This is actually to me goes hand in glove with being well prepared. In the event of

1929
02:52:47,450 --> 02:52:54,550
in emergency. Well, fire earthquake or otherwise, right? So,

1930
02:52:57,820 --> 02:53:00,800
beyond that, the only specific

1931
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:06,260
thing, there was a question about density and there was, you know, in terms of residential

1932
02:53:06,260 --> 02:53:13,300
density, there was a slide we saw that showed that the residential density in the DPP was 20,

1933
02:53:13,460 --> 02:53:19,300
I think, and to the extent that is what's required by the housing element, right?

1934
02:53:20,300 --> 02:53:24,440
or what is, you know, I guess I would like to see

1935
02:53:24,440 --> 02:53:28,680
best do what we need to do to be substantially compliant. But again,

1936
02:53:29,280 --> 02:53:31,240
we need to think about time of climate change

1937
02:53:31,240 --> 02:53:36,040
and the realities of that and so to extent that that would allow,

1938
02:53:36,040 --> 02:53:39,460
you know, as we learn more about what substantial compliance means, I guess we'd

1939
02:53:39,460 --> 02:53:45,480
have to, but I also think we need to be aware of

1940
02:53:45,480 --> 02:53:49,800
of keeping that, again, consistent with what we need to do to have our

1941
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:58,260
Not as an element, but not necessarily going to the recommendations here seemed a little higher.

1942
02:53:59,080 --> 02:54:04,660
And I do think the commercial density is just, I agree with the staff sort of, you know,

1943
02:54:04,980 --> 02:54:12,840
you run that being a really very difficult for some a place like Miranda as opposed to more urban environments.

1944
02:54:17,860 --> 02:54:24,880
I'd like to at least wrap this up with finding out whether they're support from my idea of lobbying MTC.

1945
02:54:25,980 --> 02:54:33,380
I'm more than willing to be directly involved, but I think it would be important that we have sort of an action plan that staff helps us with,

1946
02:54:33,380 --> 02:54:41,560
And maybe taps into our advocate, but obviously we, you know, well, some of the MTC commissioners

1947
02:54:41,560 --> 02:54:46,960
and like I said, the time is ripe because there is a big turnover, maybe the biggest

1948
02:54:46,960 --> 02:54:49,200
turnover in years on the commission.

1949
02:54:49,840 --> 02:54:53,680
So it's a lot of new faces, a lot of new years, and I think it's important.

1950
02:54:54,980 --> 02:54:56,620
I agree with that 100%.

1951
02:54:56,620 --> 02:55:00,460
And they make them absolutely great.

1952
02:55:00,460 --> 02:55:04,760
unanimous consensus on that. That was on my list of things just to make sure as we wrap up this

1953
02:55:04,760 --> 02:55:10,540
discussion and move on to the next discussion. So it sounds like there's general desire to

1954
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:18,040
try to comply with the letter here and try to weave compliance together in a way that makes sense

1955
02:55:18,040 --> 02:55:23,340
for this community and I think that's what will continue to work on and we'll look forward to

1956
02:55:23,340 --> 02:55:31,540
to pressing on some of our new representatives on MTC to see if we can make some modifications

1957
02:55:31,540 --> 02:55:36,760
to these guidelines to reflect the conditions that some communities are faced with, including

1958
02:55:36,760 --> 02:55:37,220
a Rinda.

1959
02:55:38,900 --> 02:55:42,300
Did I miss anything on that to capture everything?

1960
02:55:44,040 --> 02:55:44,560
Well, I think so.

1961
02:55:44,980 --> 02:55:45,160
Thank you.

1962
02:55:45,360 --> 02:55:46,300
It's a continued conversation.

1963
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:50,580
So, you know, we'll over the next several months, I'm sure we'll be talking about again.

1964
02:55:50,980 --> 02:55:52,780
I don't know if we need to come back at the next meeting.

1965
02:55:52,780 --> 02:55:57,320
I think we were kind of plugging in but maybe we'd have to come back and talk to you again

1966
02:55:57,320 --> 02:56:00,880
right away but it sounds like we've gotten some clear direction. So appreciate that.

1967
02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:06,540
Yeah, I think we appreciate that. So I mean, in terms of policies that we were sort of recommending

1968
02:56:06,540 --> 02:56:12,120
your kind of, there's not a lot of issues with what that, although we'll look into the public trust

1969
02:56:12,120 --> 02:56:20,560
issue a little bit more that vice mayor brought up. Okay. Yeah, I appreciate staff bringing this to us

1970
02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:25,360
as sort of in real time so that we can provide this input,

1971
02:56:25,360 --> 02:56:27,120
you know, on how it input.

1972
02:56:29,560 --> 02:56:34,700
Okay, then moving on, we have H3,

1973
02:56:34,740 --> 02:56:37,480
which is a city council committee appointment list.

1974
02:56:37,500 --> 02:56:39,340
Please, on list for 2025.

1975
02:56:47,500 --> 02:56:47,880
May I answer?

1976
02:56:48,440 --> 02:56:51,320
City manager, if you want to start or should I set?

1977
02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:52,920
Honorable Mayor, members of the council.

1978
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:57,240
So at the previous meeting, you adopted

1979
02:56:58,680 --> 02:57:05,700
assignments for many of the regional boards. We at that meeting discussed changes to the

1980
02:57:05,700 --> 02:57:11,260
proposed to the subcommittees. We got that clarity from you. And so after that meeting,

1981
02:57:11,500 --> 02:57:16,940
I believe that the mayor took the time to go through and make her recommendations for those

1982
02:57:16,940 --> 02:57:22,020
subcommittees. And then we had the two carryover items that liaison that weren't addressed

1983
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:30,080
the last meeting, the Calshakes liaison that was inadvertently omitted and then the chamber

1984
02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:36,220
liaison to assure that it was connected with the selection for the subcommittee.

1985
02:57:37,060 --> 02:57:42,480
So I wanted to bring that forward. I think another thing maybe to chat about briefly because I

1986
02:57:42,480 --> 02:57:48,020
know it's getting late is whether or not the Calshakes literally is on should continue to be called

1987
02:57:48,020 --> 02:58:01,480
Calshake State theater liaison or rather maybe change that to a more general name because of the circumstances that we now find Calshake's is no longer around for us to talk about.

1988
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:13,680
And as to that last point, the idea was that it could be called the cultural art liaison and could liaison with Calshake,

1989
02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:19,720
So I've the entity that takes over the Calshakes location in addition to the Lomerate

1990
02:58:19,720 --> 02:58:21,880
Arts Council and perhaps I'm in the theater.

1991
02:58:25,730 --> 02:58:27,810
So that is concludes of report.

1992
02:58:28,130 --> 02:58:31,850
If there are there any questions, otherwise we do have one public comment.

1993
02:58:33,050 --> 02:58:33,890
No, I think it's fine.

1994
02:58:34,850 --> 02:58:42,510
So in the interest of time with the, the nomenclature change of Calshakes as described,

1995
02:58:42,790 --> 02:58:45,370
I'm willing to move that we approve the list.

1996
02:58:45,950 --> 02:58:50,550
Okay, before we do that, we, we, we, we probably want to make sure we have a public.

1997
02:58:52,170 --> 02:58:52,310
Okay.

1998
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:55,170
Um, to give

1999
02:58:58,750 --> 02:59:03,910
you, give me, give me a little more Connie, council members, city staff, and members

2000
02:59:03,910 --> 02:59:04,530
of the public.

2001
02:59:05,210 --> 02:59:10,070
I'm speaking tonight as the Vice President of the Render Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors.

2002
02:59:10,850 --> 02:59:16,090
And so we'd like to take the opportunity to thank Miramal Connie for serving as our liaison

2003
02:59:16,090 --> 02:59:21,110
and we certainly look forward to the opportunity to get to know Council Martin Hocksey

2004
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:23,550
better and having her as our liaison.

2005
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:28,470
We also appreciate the continued support of all the Council members as well as our

2006
02:59:28,470 --> 02:59:32,070
close relationships with staff and wanted to acknowledge that.

2007
02:59:32,150 --> 02:59:38,490
We also wanted to thank City Clerk Smith for making the correction of our meeting

2008
02:59:38,490 --> 02:59:42,650
time so that we reflected appropriately moving forward.

2009
02:59:43,090 --> 02:59:44,030
Thank you.

2010
02:59:44,030 --> 02:59:48,350
Thank you. Thank you.

2011
02:59:50,150 --> 02:59:54,010
Okay, back to the council for discussion or perhaps a motion.

2012
02:59:54,890 --> 02:59:57,190
Okay, my motion still stands.

2013
02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:58,810
I'll second it.

2014
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,540
Okay, so for clarity, is the motion to change the, yeah, my motion.

2015
03:00:10,540 --> 03:00:17,200
Now shakes dearly, is on to cultural, I'd say, is that acceptable council member?

2016
03:00:17,440 --> 03:00:18,360
Okay, yes.

2017
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:29,670
I guess some other language in there that's not just limited to the three organizations we've just said,

2018
03:00:29,670 --> 03:00:33,670
because the things evolve. I mean, I can't remember what the rind of play,

2019
03:00:35,030 --> 03:00:38,990
the starlight player. I mean, I mean, should that, you know, I mean, so just make it a little

2020
03:00:38,990 --> 03:00:45,730
broader and other art. Yeah. Yeah. We don't not technically have a description. I don't

2021
03:00:45,730 --> 03:00:52,110
think of the ways on, but I think this discussion is for the minutes for the minutes. We have consensus

2022
03:00:52,110 --> 03:01:06,190
that it would be broader. So the motion is to approve the appointment list

2023
03:01:08,560 --> 03:01:14,620
as proposed with the one

2024
03:01:14,620 --> 03:01:24,420
Consumant was amended with the cultural arts liaison title, replacing what is currently in

2025
03:01:24,420 --> 03:01:26,880
the city's accounts, shakes theater.

2026
03:01:28,760 --> 03:01:29,360
Great.

2027
03:01:30,100 --> 03:01:32,800
And we had a second, so all in favor.

2028
03:01:34,540 --> 03:01:35,120
Any opposed?

2029
03:01:36,520 --> 03:01:36,980
Okay.

2030
03:01:36,980 --> 03:01:38,440
So that passes unanimously.

2031
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:44,340
That takes us to council members reports.

2032
03:01:46,460 --> 03:01:51,260
Do we have, I have some stuff to share, but I don't know if others do.

2033
03:01:52,060 --> 03:01:53,620
Okay, otherwise I'll be brief.

2034
03:01:57,180 --> 03:02:02,960
As we saw tonight, there's, I've received a lot of public comment about concerns

2035
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:28,680
And that, you know, one of the things I started talking to our county supervisors about an idea which is to have a regional working group focused on wildfire and perhaps also earthquake,

2036
03:02:28,680 --> 03:02:31,160
a legislative preparedness and evacuation,

2037
03:02:31,880 --> 03:02:34,680
and that it would be a role of your sleeves,

2038
03:02:35,720 --> 03:02:38,240
you know, made twice a week.

2039
03:02:38,600 --> 03:02:41,480
Everyone does homework, working group,

2040
03:02:41,540 --> 03:02:44,340
and it should be a public and private partnership

2041
03:02:44,340 --> 03:02:48,160
to the extent that it is a, you know,

2042
03:02:48,280 --> 03:02:52,560
local jurisdictions and government along with our utilities

2043
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:54,720
and also transportation, right?

2044
03:02:55,400 --> 03:02:57,740
And the county does have an office

2045
03:02:57,740 --> 03:03:01,980
of emergency services, and they do do these regional, and I think that are sitting there

2046
03:03:01,980 --> 03:03:06,060
to contact one of this, because this is just such way, and to consider manager reports,

2047
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:14,240
but they do, regionally, but the presentations are more general, those understandably, a lot

2048
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:19,120
of concerns in a focused on other areas of contact, so county, we have refineries here, we have

2049
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:22,400
a lot of things that sort of, you know, but sit into emergency preparedness.

2050
03:03:23,220 --> 03:03:26,320
And right now, I think we need more.

2051
03:03:26,620 --> 03:03:30,740
We need something that's, you know, stuck, LSAP,

2052
03:03:31,360 --> 03:03:34,800
and meets regularly, like 12th month, and just,

2053
03:03:35,080 --> 03:03:37,200
so that, because we don't have our own emergency

2054
03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:40,080
prepared as plans, but, you know,

2055
03:03:40,140 --> 03:03:42,580
and I know this has been raised in East O'Mod since we

2056
03:03:42,580 --> 03:03:44,260
have the water in the pressure and all that.

2057
03:03:44,460 --> 03:03:46,800
So this is maybe not the best example anymore,

2058
03:03:46,820 --> 03:03:52,820
but I want to make sure that I think we all want, you know,

2059
03:03:52,820 --> 03:04:00,840
the questions about water pressure or whatever else it is, we need to be brainstormed now

2060
03:04:00,840 --> 03:04:06,620
because in an emergency we all know things will go wrong, right? And there are no guarantees,

2061
03:04:06,920 --> 03:04:11,820
but we at least have to try to do our best. And I really think it's a county issue to address.

2062
03:04:12,920 --> 03:04:16,840
So sitting in the energy and I are going to try to meet with the good news is I supervise

2063
03:04:16,840 --> 03:04:24,060
seen responsive, at least informally. And so we'll see. And so we're going to turn it up on Supervisor

2064
03:04:24,060 --> 03:04:33,900
Anderson's office to just follow through on that. And so that's one thing. And then there

2065
03:04:33,900 --> 03:04:41,340
have been a couple of folks that have responded. One of them was Samir who was here and I think

2066
03:04:41,340 --> 03:05:07,200
He's going to be needing a view and city manager about this and another, you know, I've gotten couple responses from, that they might be a possibility that insurance companies, some might be interested in writing insurance for communities or neighborhoods that are running to, you know, voluntarily a dot sort of the IBHS guidelines insurance industry guidelines.

2067
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:10,700
And so we'll see if that plays out, but you know,

2068
03:05:11,480 --> 03:05:13,140
if things come to me, it's not,

2069
03:05:13,140 --> 03:05:15,960
if not many of us have sort of been agenda items or acts,

2070
03:05:16,320 --> 03:05:18,100
anything that we actually control or anything,

2071
03:05:18,100 --> 03:05:22,080
then it's just advocacy to cancel an engine's point

2072
03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:25,040
about where we just need to be continuing to advocate.

2073
03:05:25,880 --> 03:05:27,880
So, then I know this is step that all of you have worked on,

2074
03:05:27,900 --> 03:05:30,380
so I just wanted to share that.

2075
03:05:30,660 --> 03:05:31,360
Does this have some ideas?

2076
03:05:31,360 --> 03:05:33,640
May I ask a question about that?

2077
03:05:36,300 --> 03:05:42,860
I read what is sent to us about the latest developments in the States Insurance Regulation,

2078
03:05:43,720 --> 03:05:49,900
but it's very hard to know how to answer citizens who are trying to deal day by day with

2079
03:05:49,900 --> 03:05:53,280
not being able to find insurance and so they're saying, well, they're working on it.

2080
03:05:53,400 --> 03:05:58,860
It's coming, they're ch- so I'm wondering if there would be a way that we could get somebody

2081
03:05:58,860 --> 03:06:06,460
within the City Manager's orbit to maybe give us a briefing every other meeting just a quick sort

2082
03:06:07,900 --> 03:06:17,040
of practical interpretation of developments, what does it mean that modeling will affect

2083
03:06:18,120 --> 03:06:24,820
wildfire pricing? Just like that if there was any way that we could get informed in a more

2084
03:06:24,820 --> 03:06:32,580
practical way I would I would appreciate that. I'll have to noodle on how to do that not be

2085
03:06:32,580 --> 03:06:38,800
I mean there's not a lot of change in a very short period of time with respect to regulations

2086
03:06:38,800 --> 03:06:47,280
I mean obviously the one thing that we're counting on happening soon is release of the very high

2087
03:06:47,280 --> 03:06:53,360
fires of air these on maps by the state and so we need to we don't know what those look like yet

2088
03:06:53,360 --> 03:07:00,660
But we've heard is that we expect 200 more communities in areas to be added.

2089
03:07:02,200 --> 03:07:08,040
So I mean, think about it, there's 430 or so communities in California they're going

2090
03:07:08,040 --> 03:07:12,840
to add 200 more to the list, so that's pretty substantial.

2091
03:07:14,580 --> 03:07:21,180
So there probably will be an update at some point around that, and we could try to find someone

2092
03:07:21,180 --> 03:07:28,420
update on insurance, but I think maybe in update I know there's a lot of things going on in Sacramento now

2093
03:07:28,420 --> 03:07:35,720
with respect to responding to the wildfire disaster and also probably to address insurance issues.

2094
03:07:36,040 --> 03:07:42,420
So maybe we can work on whether Casey can join us either once a month or every other month to give

2095
03:07:42,420 --> 03:07:48,620
us those updates from a legislative perspective, but also anything we can obtain about when these maps

2096
03:07:48,620 --> 03:07:54,600
going to come out and how it might impact communities that have these maps, because I think that

2097
03:07:54,600 --> 03:07:56,520
will be the bigger, bigger issue.

2098
03:07:56,880 --> 03:08:07,840
I mean, certainly having KC come and talk to us, right, could be to the, especially now, right,

2099
03:08:08,020 --> 03:08:16,220
as we're having, could be helpful, Townsend, right, I care less about me being on the cutting edge

2100
03:08:16,220 --> 03:08:25,220
knowing and more having practical talking points that I can give to citizens who are working through

2101
03:08:25,220 --> 03:08:30,260
this because I know all of us get calls and letters and so to the extent we are hearing

2102
03:08:30,260 --> 03:08:36,100
about people that are doing coverage if we hear about actual changes that are going to be

2103
03:08:36,100 --> 03:08:43,840
in. It was more that. It was more that because the rate of hopefully solutions coming is relatively

2104
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:48,240
quick, something just like a once a month up. So it was it was more the practical what we

2105
03:08:48,980 --> 03:08:54,040
to help people in the community so we can be part of the solution. Okay, I will try to think about

2106
03:08:54,040 --> 03:08:59,440
how to best do that and maybe you can do it as part of city managers or parts, but let me think about it.

2107
03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:08,000
Okay. One thing that I've learned recently getting a house ready for sale is that the

2108
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:13,620
know what insurance companies are doing business in

2109
03:09:14,120 --> 03:09:19,280
Sleepy Hollow. And I'm sure it's going to be renamed as

2110
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:23,600
high severity area. I just got to believe it right next to

2111
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:27,280
Brioani's. So anyway that's one tip to talk to our

2112
03:09:27,280 --> 03:09:30,560
realtors and I can tell you one or two.

2113
03:09:33,720 --> 03:09:39,260
Okay. And I started it by but we don't want to get into a

2114
03:09:39,260 --> 03:09:41,820
I have a discussion on these issues, but councilmember reports.

2115
03:09:42,700 --> 03:09:45,500
Is there anything else that anyone wants to report on?

2116
03:09:45,580 --> 03:09:51,260
We are going to the council cities, more academies, starting early tomorrow and Sacramento.

2117
03:09:52,060 --> 03:09:56,200
And councilmember Hockey and I will be attending along with our city manager.

2118
03:09:57,040 --> 03:10:03,360
And then there is there are council cities, policy committees, meeting on Friday, among the

2119
03:10:03,360 --> 03:10:13,860
community affairs committee, but I did reach out to the public safety and ask them what

2120
03:10:13,860 --> 03:10:17,320
they're doing about wildfire and evacuation.

2121
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:24,220
Much as if they're missed because I feel like the squeaky, I know that Councilmember

2122
03:10:24,220 --> 03:10:30,680
G was squeaky as mayor last year and I think that I'm going to continue to be squeaky

2123
03:10:30,680 --> 03:10:34,980
and as I know we all will, just keep that for front.

2124
03:10:40,600 --> 03:10:41,600
City managers report?

2125
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:42,740
Okay, I'll keep a brief,

2126
03:10:42,920 --> 03:10:46,480
but I think one of the things that I think is on everyone's mind

2127
03:10:46,480 --> 03:10:48,040
and we continue to talk about it

2128
03:10:48,040 --> 03:10:50,760
is wildfire preparedness and disaster preparedness.

2129
03:10:51,720 --> 03:10:54,920
And I think there's things that we could be doing

2130
03:10:54,920 --> 03:10:56,880
to help improve our communication

2131
03:10:57,580 --> 03:11:00,460
and trying to wrap my head around how we can do that

2132
03:11:00,460 --> 03:11:06,280
effective way, but I hope to be back to you with some suggestions around that in a couple

2133
03:11:06,280 --> 03:11:12,840
meetings from now. In the meantime, I've been meeting with various parties. I'm going to be meeting

2134
03:11:12,840 --> 03:11:18,860
and sitting down with Chief Isaacs to figure out a way that how we can work together on sort of

2135
03:11:18,860 --> 03:11:26,100
community education series, ways in which we can be out in the community and listen in here from

2136
03:11:26,100 --> 03:11:30,480
people and kind of try to address concerns that residents might have.

2137
03:11:30,800 --> 03:11:35,320
There's been a lot of public discussion, as you've seen the San Francisco Chronicle article

2138
03:11:35,820 --> 03:11:44,380
about sort of a renders position being a place that is a great concern long-term for wildfire

2139
03:11:44,380 --> 03:11:45,080
risk.

2140
03:11:45,280 --> 03:11:49,500
As you may mind, his issued notifications to inform the public about its fire prevention and

2141
03:11:49,500 --> 03:11:51,880
routine maintenance, so we can make sure that that is shared.

2142
03:11:52,020 --> 03:11:53,860
We've tried to share that on our platforms.

2143
03:11:53,860 --> 03:12:23,420
We've tried to make improvements to the Arinda Outlook to have a whole section dedicated to emergency preparedness disaster preparedness and so we're working on that and I think our chipper program continues to be very effective and we just need to and we have of course right on our home page under the meetings list is the preparedness list. I think we're going to spend a little bit more time trying to organize that page and figuring out and maybe talking with chief i6 on maybe.

2144
03:12:23,420 --> 03:12:26,980
a way to jointly communicate what's going on

2145
03:12:26,980 --> 03:12:30,280
in both of our jurisdictional areas.

2146
03:12:31,220 --> 03:12:36,300
Our focus a lot on fuel reduction and incentives

2147
03:12:36,300 --> 03:12:39,140
and evacuation and them on the efforts

2148
03:12:39,140 --> 03:12:41,060
that they're putting forth with their residents

2149
03:12:41,060 --> 03:12:43,500
in the community and also looking

2150
03:12:43,500 --> 03:12:44,640
at the nonprofit partner.

2151
03:12:44,960 --> 03:12:47,580
So I feel like there's some improvement that we can do there

2152
03:12:47,580 --> 03:12:49,640
and I'm gonna be working towards doing that

2153
03:12:49,640 --> 03:12:53,000
and hopefully be back to you with a comprehensive approach

2154
03:12:53,000 --> 03:12:55,560
But in the meantime, I think education is going to be important.

2155
03:12:55,700 --> 03:13:01,440
And I'm going to talk to Chief Isaacs about whether or not we can start working together on some outreach meetings with the community.

2156
03:13:02,960 --> 03:13:03,820
Okay. Thank you.

2157
03:13:04,600 --> 03:13:07,600
And I'm going to, we next as matters initiated.

2158
03:13:07,620 --> 03:13:20,660
I have one that I can propose in 30 seconds, which is spawned by, I think, the public comment from the resident who, after 50 years, got non-reneed because of an oak tree.

2159
03:13:23,260 --> 03:13:34,680
And what I'd like to do is have our tree ordinance come back to our council to revisit it to see if there's ways that we can

2160
03:13:34,680 --> 03:13:37,720
re-examine it in a what manner to make it more consistent.

2161
03:13:38,780 --> 03:13:49,680
And more encouraging of reduction of fuels because right now if you have a oak tree within five feet of your house or four feet of your house you still have to get a permit.

2162
03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:56,720
is the understanding. So, so, I don't know if anyone else is interested in bringing that back,

2163
03:13:56,820 --> 03:14:02,000
I'm hoping so, but I did ask a question about that earlier today and I thought there was an

2164
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:07,940
exception or an exemption from the ordinance if it was something that the fire district required.

2165
03:14:08,820 --> 03:14:13,820
Yeah, so right now there is no requirement because there is no zone zero provisions. So if you're

2166
03:14:13,820 --> 03:14:18,760
looking to create defensible space around your home, you still would have to get a permit.

2167
03:14:18,760 --> 03:14:24,940
Can I ask a motion just to extend the meeting by one minute till ten or two minutes till ten twenty-two high?

2168
03:14:28,040 --> 03:14:28,920
Yeah, second

2169
03:14:28,920 --> 03:14:34,140
All in favor. Hi, any opposed. Okay, so I

2170
03:14:34,140 --> 03:14:37,580
Wait, right now we're not discussing it's just a question of do we want to bring it back?

2171
03:14:37,740 --> 03:14:45,420
I'm not I think it's good to review it. Okay, so is there and I'm making a motion that we we revisit the three ordinance bring it back to the council

2172
03:14:45,420 --> 03:14:50,740
So we need a second if we wanted to come back. So we'll second that. All in favor.

2173
03:14:51,440 --> 03:14:51,960
Hi. Hi.

2174
03:14:52,300 --> 03:14:52,900
Any opposed?

2175
03:14:54,580 --> 03:14:54,940
Okay.

2176
03:14:56,780 --> 03:14:59,960
And with that, are there any other matters?

2177
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:07,840
I appreciate the city manager sharing with us that she's planning educational opportunities with

2178
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:14,840
M.O.F.D. We heard loud and clear that people want a town hall or some sort of community meeting.

2179
03:15:15,680 --> 03:15:20,220
And I'm not 100% sure what you're recommending is what I'm thinking of as a community meeting.

2180
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:25,500
But feels like we need to have a community meeting with M.O.F.D.

2181
03:15:25,500 --> 03:15:28,300
and perhaps these famous, perhaps PG&E,

2182
03:15:28,760 --> 03:15:31,420
all present in one form for people to ask questions

2183
03:15:31,420 --> 03:15:35,640
and get answers, and it's not just educational,

2184
03:15:36,340 --> 03:15:40,260
but to have some dialogue, and I don't know if we need

2185
03:15:40,260 --> 03:15:43,700
to have a motion to ask staff to work on that,

2186
03:15:43,700 --> 03:15:45,960
or if that's already, you know, being done.

2187
03:15:47,100 --> 03:15:47,900
I like,

2188
03:15:49,920 --> 03:15:51,040
do you want to address that?

2189
03:15:51,880 --> 03:15:54,080
I don't know that we need a motion on it.

2190
03:15:54,080 --> 03:16:16,220
Don't know if you need a motion. I'll just, I'll see what I can do if that's the will of the council to try and engage all the other agencies as well. I think that might make it more challenging to put something together in a timely fashion, but if I think starting with MOFD since the primary roles of what we do is.

2191
03:16:16,740 --> 03:16:24,180
Right, I think starting with them all, I think we are, we're going to have to extend again if we want to discuss it more, we could, but I'm just putting that out.

2192
03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:35,680
If we don't need a motion, that's fine. I just, I think starting with MOLFD, and then to the extent other agencies could be present would be great but not necessary to make it successful.

2193
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:43,760
Okay. So do I have a motion and a second to adjourn? Well, we're going to adjourn with closed session. Okay.

2194
03:16:44,480 --> 03:16:49,840
So adjourn. May you have a close session item. I'm hoping we can still.

2195
03:16:49,880 --> 03:16:56,380
Yes, we're going to be adjourning to close session. Sorry. But if there's any public comment on the closed session item,

2196
03:16:56,380 --> 03:17:01,690
list on the agenda that now would be at the time here in the public comment.

2197
03:17:02,070 --> 03:17:04,370
We'll close public comment. Thank you.

2198
03:17:06,030 --> 03:17:08,070
So we are joining to close session.