1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,160 Call this Thursday, May 28th, meeting of the Planning Commission to order. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,820 Commissioner Lozarka, would you lead us in the pledge, please? 3 00:00:05,980 --> 00:00:06,070 Mm-hmm. 4 00:00:06,070 --> 00:00:06,070 Mm-hmm. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:11,660 The Pledge. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 7 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,900 America and to the Republic for which it stands, one 8 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:23,919 nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 9 00:00:23,980 --> 00:00:24,830 justice for all. 10 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:29,440 Okay. 11 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:34,629 Can we have a roll call, please? 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,340 Let the record show we have a quorum with all council member, I mean, commissioners 13 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:42,940 present, except Commissioner Rutledge and Commissioner Lowder. 14 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:47,480 Excuse me. Oral and written communications. 15 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:51,340 Members of the public wishing to address the commission on any items not on the 16 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:54,300 agenda may do so at this time, when recognized by the chairperson. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,600 However, no formal action or discussion will be taken unless placed on a future 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,260 agenda. Public's advice is limited discussion to one presentation per 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,700 individual. If not required, please state your name and place of residence for the 20 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:06,160 record. 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Anyone? 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:09,960 No online. 23 00:01:11,940 --> 00:01:15,800 Moving on to item five in the calendar, approved planning 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,940 commission minutes from April 9th, 2024. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Date should be 2025. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,860 2026. Jeez. 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,060 We're a little off there. 28 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:27,300 I'll move for approval as presented. 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,300 I second. 30 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:31,220 We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:31,810 Aye. 32 00:01:31,810 --> 00:01:31,880 Aye. 33 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,300 Okay. At this point, 34 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:40,760 let's push item 6A 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,350 and see if we have another 36 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,960 commissioner show up so we can have a quorum- 37 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:47,760 Okay 38 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,220 ... and move on- 39 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:49,750 Okay 40 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:51,310 ... to 6B, please. 41 00:01:56,460 --> 00:01:56,760 Nice. 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Good birthday equipment. 43 00:01:58,990 --> 00:01:59,780 Mm-hmm. 44 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:09,400 Good evening, chair and members of the commission, members of the public. 45 00:02:09,980 --> 00:02:13,800 Lisa Lozier, city planner, and I will be presenting 46 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:14,840 agenda item 47 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:17,660 6B, which is a lot line adjustment 48 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:22,640 2026-01. 49 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:27,700 Project 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,760 location. 51 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:35,380 The applicant is Black Diamond Holdings, LLC, and they are 52 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:38,940 requesting a lot line adjustment of two parcels. 53 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:42,730 Those are listed under one AP number, legally created 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,620 parcels, and that is located at 525 Monterey 55 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,200 Street. 56 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,720 The project site is located within a limited industrial zone 57 00:02:52,780 --> 00:02:53,280 district, 58 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,500 and the light industrial 59 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:59,460 general plan land use designation. 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,900 So the proposed project would modify 61 00:03:06,940 --> 00:03:10,200 the southernmost lot line of lot 62 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:13,120 1 by shifting it... 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,000 I'll go with the text. 64 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:22,040 The language was a little wonky, so if I may. 65 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:26,500 So what it's going to do is on lot one, 66 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,800 the lots as they are now are approximately equal. 67 00:03:32,020 --> 00:03:35,840 The lot line adjustment is proposing to shift the lot 68 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:38,500 line from lot one south, 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,380 about 53 feet. 70 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:47,000 And that changes the lot sizes from, on lot one from 71 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:51,140 .47 acres to .63 acres. And lot 72 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:54,520 two would go from .47 acres to 73 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,100 .32 acres. 74 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:02,020 So the lots for these 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:02,720 projects, 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,540 one of the criteria for a lot line adjustment is making sure that the 77 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:11,460 approval does not create parcels that are smaller 78 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:15,240 than the minimum parcel size for the district, 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,541 and these parcels are larger than the minimum parcel size for the 80 00:04:19,579 --> 00:04:20,120 district. 81 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:22,300 So that's 82 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:24,360 perfectly fine on that. 83 00:04:25,540 --> 00:04:26,360 Lot number one 84 00:04:27,740 --> 00:04:31,520 currently has an automotive repair business and a 85 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:35,440 principal permitted use in the ML district, and there is 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,380 no development on lot two and no development proposed 87 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,200 at this time. The 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,600 proposed lot line adjustment does not impact the current 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,520 business in a way that would make it not able 90 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:53,220 to conduct business or not able to meet any kind of 91 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,690 setbacks or access to the property. 92 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:05,340 Okay, so we went through that with the shifting of the parcel sizes. 93 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,680 I included this graphic to show on the red line, that is where the parcel 94 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,580 line is currently. That is the existing line to 95 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:17,530 be deleted. And the green line that shifts 96 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,340 to the south, that is the proposed line where that would be 97 00:05:22,380 --> 00:05:24,300 with approval of the lot line adjustment. 98 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:30,620 So the lot line adjustment complies with government code section that's in the 99 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Subdivision Map Act, 100 00:05:33,140 --> 00:05:34,880 66412 . 101 00:05:35,820 --> 00:05:39,640 It does not result in the creation of additional 102 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:43,220 new parcels. Basically, lot line adjustments are 103 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:47,000 exempt from the requirements of having 104 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,120 a parcel map or a subdivision map by the 105 00:05:51,460 --> 00:05:55,100 Subdivision Map Act. So it's really exempt from the 106 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,040 requirements of having a required map to do 107 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,300 the lot line adjustments. 108 00:06:01,472 --> 00:06:05,272 The lot line adjustment is consistent with the proposed applicability of 109 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:07,612 the ML zone, as I discussed earlier. 110 00:06:08,132 --> 00:06:12,092 The new adjusted lots will maintain the current lot width 111 00:06:12,192 --> 00:06:15,952 of 129 feet. So the minimum lot 112 00:06:16,252 --> 00:06:19,772 width for that district is 100 feet, so it still 113 00:06:19,792 --> 00:06:22,032 exceeds the criteria, 114 00:06:22,932 --> 00:06:26,882 and it complies with the lot requirements for the Orland Municipal 115 00:06:26,972 --> 00:06:30,272 Code, Section 17.48.040, 116 00:06:30,812 --> 00:06:34,012 which is also the ML zone district. 117 00:06:38,212 --> 00:06:41,322 So environmental determination for lot line adjustments, 118 00:06:41,732 --> 00:06:44,592 basically by the CEQA guidelines, that is 119 00:06:44,652 --> 00:06:48,612 15305. That's a Class 5, which is a minor 120 00:06:48,692 --> 00:06:51,132 alteration in land use limitations. 121 00:06:52,072 --> 00:06:56,032 For the most part, in the Subdivision Map Act, lot line adjustments 122 00:06:56,072 --> 00:06:59,372 are considered ministerial. They do not have to be 123 00:07:00,192 --> 00:07:01,912 approved by the planning commission. 124 00:07:02,592 --> 00:07:03,372 But the Orland 125 00:07:04,732 --> 00:07:08,712 Municipal Code and the subdivisions under Title 16 126 00:07:09,092 --> 00:07:12,432 provides that lot line adjustments will come 127 00:07:12,652 --> 00:07:15,472 for the planning commission for approval. 128 00:07:16,242 --> 00:07:20,052 And in the direct language of that particular section, it 129 00:07:20,112 --> 00:07:21,552 also allows that the 130 00:07:22,932 --> 00:07:24,792 planning commission can 131 00:07:25,692 --> 00:07:27,612 add conditions of approval. 132 00:07:28,552 --> 00:07:32,192 Those would be exceptionally limited in scope 133 00:07:32,332 --> 00:07:36,312 to meeting the general plan, meeting the 134 00:07:36,352 --> 00:07:39,952 zoning ordinance, allowing for access and 135 00:07:40,052 --> 00:07:42,852 utilities. So any other 136 00:07:43,412 --> 00:07:44,172 conditions, 137 00:07:45,332 --> 00:07:49,232 specifically like if you wanted to limit the types of uses on 138 00:07:49,252 --> 00:07:49,972 the property, 139 00:07:50,772 --> 00:07:54,552 that would not be appropriate or any kind of conditioning for a lot line 140 00:07:54,592 --> 00:07:56,912 adjustment. So the scope is very small. 141 00:07:59,712 --> 00:08:01,992 So basically, that's the 142 00:08:02,152 --> 00:08:04,032 environmental. 143 00:08:04,892 --> 00:08:08,542 The recommendation for this project is find that the proposed lot line 144 00:08:08,612 --> 00:08:12,292 adjustment is exempt from the California Environmental Quality 145 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:15,812 Act guidelines, Section 15305 146 00:08:16,692 --> 00:08:19,932 , and Planning Commission adopt PC Resolution 147 00:08:20,892 --> 00:08:21,421 2026. 148 00:08:23,612 --> 00:08:27,272 That's Attachment A, which would improve the lot line 149 00:08:27,312 --> 00:08:31,192 adjustment 2026-01, as proposed. 150 00:08:31,732 --> 00:08:35,572 And just to be clear, I've run into a 151 00:08:35,612 --> 00:08:37,972 couple of issues with the lot line adjustments. 152 00:08:39,372 --> 00:08:43,052 This is basically a first review and first step 153 00:08:43,432 --> 00:08:45,932 for the planning portion of the lot line adjustment. 154 00:08:46,361 --> 00:08:50,352 These projects go to the city engineer, and the city engineer 155 00:08:50,432 --> 00:08:52,402 checks all of the 156 00:08:53,692 --> 00:08:57,392 survey type of requirements 157 00:08:57,472 --> 00:09:00,452 that would need to meet state code as well. 158 00:09:01,012 --> 00:09:04,972 And then the city engineer will prepare a certificate of 159 00:09:05,072 --> 00:09:07,372 compliance, which is recorded. 160 00:09:08,492 --> 00:09:11,832 And that's a little bit different on typically with parcel maps. 161 00:09:12,482 --> 00:09:15,312 That approval would go to Planning Commission. 162 00:09:16,112 --> 00:09:17,772 And then after the approval, 163 00:09:19,792 --> 00:09:23,472 it's an approved map, and then it goes through a process also 164 00:09:23,932 --> 00:09:27,352 with the city engineer. They do all the 165 00:09:27,412 --> 00:09:30,132 checks on the map to make sure it's okay. 166 00:09:30,672 --> 00:09:34,552 The difference is that lot line adjustments aren't necessarily 167 00:09:34,632 --> 00:09:38,432 required to come to Planning Commission, but they do have 168 00:09:39,512 --> 00:09:42,052 criteria that needs to be met by the city engineer 169 00:09:43,412 --> 00:09:46,892 that comes later after this part. It's 170 00:09:46,932 --> 00:09:50,612 typically that planning checks it, verifies that it 171 00:09:50,652 --> 00:09:51,652 meets legal 172 00:09:52,572 --> 00:09:56,192 parcel requirements, that it meets the general plan 173 00:09:56,272 --> 00:09:57,792 planning and 174 00:09:58,652 --> 00:10:02,632 access and those types of things. The engineers check all of 175 00:10:02,692 --> 00:10:05,492 the specific criteria that 176 00:10:06,292 --> 00:10:10,152 all of the, I guess the layman's term is that the parcels 177 00:10:10,252 --> 00:10:13,272 all close. They check the new 178 00:10:13,972 --> 00:10:17,792 descriptions, and then they do a certificate of 179 00:10:17,852 --> 00:10:19,612 compliance, which is recorded. 180 00:10:21,032 --> 00:10:21,331 Okay. 181 00:10:26,172 --> 00:10:29,072 Do we have any questions for staff? 182 00:10:30,452 --> 00:10:33,172 One little one. I think I already know the answer. Okay. 183 00:10:34,512 --> 00:10:36,972 Technically, Shasta Street was all the way to rail tracks, correct? 184 00:10:38,632 --> 00:10:40,172 I believe yes. 185 00:10:40,472 --> 00:10:43,372 Okay. And the cell tower's to the south of it, so that's not on. 186 00:10:43,402 --> 00:10:44,152 It has nothing to do with that. 187 00:10:44,162 --> 00:10:45,912 That's correct. That is on a parcel- 188 00:10:46,132 --> 00:10:46,712 A separate 189 00:10:46,722 --> 00:10:47,172 ... a separate parcel. 190 00:10:47,232 --> 00:10:47,351 Okay. 191 00:10:47,412 --> 00:10:48,031 South. Yeah. 192 00:10:48,092 --> 00:10:51,342 So all this is just the body shop and the land up on it. 193 00:10:51,352 --> 00:10:53,032 That's correct. Yes. 194 00:10:53,052 --> 00:10:54,052 Okay. Just to be clear on that. 195 00:10:55,592 --> 00:10:55,602 Okay. 196 00:10:56,712 --> 00:10:59,272 Just a couple. So what you were just explaining, 197 00:11:00,512 --> 00:11:04,132 so the applicant, the owner, goes through 198 00:11:04,272 --> 00:11:08,072 us, then it goes to the engineers, and the rest of it is 199 00:11:08,132 --> 00:11:10,652 done ministerially, and then it's done? 200 00:11:13,092 --> 00:11:14,972 Yes. So typically, 201 00:11:16,912 --> 00:11:20,752 these projects, there are a lot of jurisdictions that do not require 202 00:11:20,772 --> 00:11:23,932 lot line adjustments to come before the Planning Commission. 203 00:11:23,992 --> 00:11:26,512 It is approved basically in-house 204 00:11:27,452 --> 00:11:29,482 by planning and by engineering. 205 00:11:32,232 --> 00:11:33,972 It's a little bit different situation. 206 00:11:34,592 --> 00:11:36,112 Just because of us and our code? 207 00:11:36,732 --> 00:11:39,892 Because of your code. It's written into Title 16 208 00:11:40,012 --> 00:11:43,682 subdivisions that lot line adjustments come before the Planning 209 00:11:43,752 --> 00:11:44,832 Commission for approval. 210 00:11:48,712 --> 00:11:50,192 So did the owner 211 00:11:51,692 --> 00:11:54,982 give a reason why he wanted to enlarge the lot? Was there a particular reason? 212 00:11:55,032 --> 00:11:56,332 Just curious. 213 00:11:59,392 --> 00:11:59,752 Yes. 214 00:12:10,742 --> 00:12:10,752 We 215 00:12:10,752 --> 00:12:16,962 should 216 00:12:41,722 --> 00:12:42,482 Just questions. 217 00:12:45,822 --> 00:12:51,302 Okay. 218 00:12:59,502 --> 00:13:03,142 So short reason, the existing parcels are to be modified in size to 219 00:13:03,202 --> 00:13:06,122 match the existing improvements. 220 00:13:08,562 --> 00:13:09,662 I didn't understand that. 221 00:13:14,102 --> 00:13:17,642 So what I take from that is that because they're making parcel one 222 00:13:17,662 --> 00:13:21,602 larger, they intend on using the whole of 223 00:13:21,662 --> 00:13:25,302 the larger parcel to support the auto business. 224 00:13:26,122 --> 00:13:28,042 That's what I was wondering, if they needed more space- 225 00:13:28,142 --> 00:13:28,342 Yeah 226 00:13:28,362 --> 00:13:30,142 ... to either enlarge or to improve 227 00:13:31,002 --> 00:13:31,782 other business. 228 00:13:32,662 --> 00:13:33,822 Yeah, the existing business. 229 00:13:34,022 --> 00:13:34,612 The existing one. 230 00:13:34,662 --> 00:13:35,812 The existing business. 231 00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:36,302 Yeah. 232 00:13:36,312 --> 00:13:39,522 Yeah, there's no proposed business on parcel two. 233 00:13:39,762 --> 00:13:40,702 Yeah. 234 00:13:41,042 --> 00:13:44,722 Another quick question, if you know it, um, how much does it 235 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:47,822 cost to go through this lot line adjustment process through you 236 00:13:48,502 --> 00:13:50,232 versus having it done ministerially? 237 00:13:56,162 --> 00:13:59,762 So the fee for the lot line adjustment for planning 238 00:13:59,982 --> 00:14:02,262 is $376. 239 00:14:03,822 --> 00:14:07,522 So we could potentially save the 240 00:14:07,562 --> 00:14:10,082 person the effort if we were like 241 00:14:10,902 --> 00:14:12,322 most everyone else. 242 00:14:15,902 --> 00:14:19,562 I wouldn't say that necessarily, um, because the 243 00:14:19,782 --> 00:14:22,362 376 does, um, 244 00:14:23,182 --> 00:14:26,562 provide for the planning review of the document. 245 00:14:27,362 --> 00:14:31,232 So I don't... To be perfectly honest, 246 00:14:31,622 --> 00:14:34,982 the fee that is on this probably doesn't take into 247 00:14:35,102 --> 00:14:37,622 consideration the cost for the planning commission. 248 00:14:38,182 --> 00:14:42,162 I don't know how that's evaluated, within how the city 249 00:14:42,202 --> 00:14:43,982 does their budget. 250 00:14:46,582 --> 00:14:46,962 But it 251 00:14:48,782 --> 00:14:51,962 does cover staff time to 252 00:14:52,102 --> 00:14:55,062 actually do the review that is 253 00:14:55,422 --> 00:14:59,292 necessary for the approval, which would need to be done even if 254 00:14:59,342 --> 00:15:01,142 it was a ministerial process. 255 00:15:01,302 --> 00:15:01,922 Okay. 256 00:15:01,982 --> 00:15:04,512 What it would cut back on is 257 00:15:05,342 --> 00:15:08,482 doing the presentation and putting all of that information together. 258 00:15:09,522 --> 00:15:10,322 Hmm. 259 00:15:10,382 --> 00:15:11,862 There's also a cost for the recording. 260 00:15:13,562 --> 00:15:15,502 Yes, and there's a cost for the recording. 261 00:15:16,022 --> 00:15:19,282 Um, a lot of that is captured through the 262 00:15:19,382 --> 00:15:20,142 engineers. 263 00:15:21,902 --> 00:15:23,542 They require fees as well- 264 00:15:24,222 --> 00:15:24,522 So- 265 00:15:24,532 --> 00:15:26,062 ... that are captured upfront. 266 00:15:26,442 --> 00:15:27,762 Okay, so the planning, 267 00:15:28,682 --> 00:15:32,122 376, then there would be an additional for the engineer? 268 00:15:32,462 --> 00:15:32,762 Yes. 269 00:15:33,122 --> 00:15:36,662 So the total cost to the applicant, the 270 00:15:36,742 --> 00:15:39,062 owner is, or would be? 271 00:15:39,182 --> 00:15:41,741 I wouldn't be able to tell you what the engineering fees are. 272 00:15:42,102 --> 00:15:42,382 Okay. 273 00:15:44,122 --> 00:15:46,042 So it could be close to $1,000. 274 00:15:46,882 --> 00:15:48,142 I would say it's probably pretty close. 275 00:15:49,942 --> 00:15:52,122 For a two-parcel lot line adjustment, 276 00:15:53,362 --> 00:15:53,512 um, 277 00:15:55,002 --> 00:15:58,922 that probably isn't going to be significant to check for the 278 00:15:58,962 --> 00:15:59,402 engineer. 279 00:15:59,902 --> 00:16:01,462 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 280 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:05,442 It's based on, um, known lot sizes 281 00:16:06,222 --> 00:16:09,982 that were preexisting, so a lot of the information is 282 00:16:10,022 --> 00:16:10,522 available. 283 00:16:11,682 --> 00:16:15,542 Sometimes for, um, parcels that are maybe very 284 00:16:15,622 --> 00:16:19,402 rural or were not developed with a specific 285 00:16:19,482 --> 00:16:23,442 map, it might be more expensive for the engineer to take 286 00:16:23,522 --> 00:16:26,662 time to go through all of the documentation to 287 00:16:27,442 --> 00:16:29,582 verify that the lot lines 288 00:16:30,402 --> 00:16:33,942 that are within the deed actually match the property. 289 00:16:34,162 --> 00:16:34,362 Mm-hmm. 290 00:16:34,822 --> 00:16:38,722 In this case, those parcels were created with a subdivision 291 00:16:38,742 --> 00:16:42,302 map prior, so a lot of the information's already 292 00:16:42,312 --> 00:16:42,762 available. 293 00:16:44,042 --> 00:16:44,641 Thank you. 294 00:16:44,702 --> 00:16:44,882 Thank you. 295 00:16:46,562 --> 00:16:49,052 We'll open it up to public comment. If there is anyone on this matter? 296 00:16:51,502 --> 00:16:52,642 None seen, none heard. 297 00:16:53,732 --> 00:16:54,742 I'd entertain a motion. 298 00:16:59,702 --> 00:17:00,442 I'll move that we 299 00:17:02,102 --> 00:17:03,962 approve the proposed ordinance, 300 00:17:05,242 --> 00:17:08,282 the Resolution 2006, an extraordinary line approving the lot line 301 00:17:08,322 --> 00:17:12,042 adjustments as proposed. And, um, with one 302 00:17:12,162 --> 00:17:12,722 motion, Ken. 303 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:17,402 Equally to allocate. And also find that the, um, 304 00:17:17,722 --> 00:17:19,532 project exempt from the CEQA, 305 00:17:20,502 --> 00:17:24,062 um, regulations, California Environmental Quality Act 306 00:17:24,482 --> 00:17:25,962 guidelines, uh, 307 00:17:25,992 --> 00:17:29,432 15305 . 308 00:17:29,802 --> 00:17:30,462 Hear the motion. 309 00:17:31,102 --> 00:17:31,602 I second. 310 00:17:31,782 --> 00:17:34,042 Hear a motion of second. All in favor say, "Aye." 311 00:17:34,102 --> 00:17:34,922 Aye. 312 00:17:35,732 --> 00:17:37,062 Aye. Motion approved. 313 00:17:39,522 --> 00:17:40,862 Just a quick explanation, gentlemen. 314 00:17:41,322 --> 00:17:44,662 The reason that we skipped yours, which was the first one on the agenda, 315 00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:48,682 is I'm not able to sit in on that. I'm going to have to recuse myself, 316 00:17:49,122 --> 00:17:52,962 um, because of, um, I own close property, and 317 00:17:53,222 --> 00:17:56,692 under the advice of the attorney will not be part of that conversation. 318 00:17:57,222 --> 00:17:58,892 So we were hoping that someone else 319 00:17:59,722 --> 00:18:03,352 would show up so we'd have a quorum to be able to discuss and take 320 00:18:03,442 --> 00:18:06,682 action. Um, if you don't mind, we can move on 321 00:18:06,782 --> 00:18:10,662 and complete the next step and hope that someone still 322 00:18:10,702 --> 00:18:11,282 does show up. 323 00:18:12,302 --> 00:18:14,162 Um, I apologize for the delay. 324 00:18:18,246 --> 00:18:20,246 So would you move that to a different date? 325 00:18:21,066 --> 00:18:21,306 Yeah. 326 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:24,966 We can move that to the following meeting too, if we need to. 327 00:18:25,196 --> 00:18:25,196 We can. 328 00:18:25,706 --> 00:18:29,246 Okay. So it's up to you if you'd like to wait and hope that someone else shows up, 329 00:18:29,646 --> 00:18:31,726 or we can move that to the next agenda. 330 00:18:31,926 --> 00:18:33,086 Continue it. 331 00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:34,326 Continue it? 332 00:18:34,546 --> 00:18:35,066 Yes. 333 00:18:35,126 --> 00:18:35,466 Okay. 334 00:18:36,626 --> 00:18:39,686 So we'll continue that to the next meeting. We apologize, son. 335 00:18:39,746 --> 00:18:40,426 Thank you for coming. 336 00:18:40,766 --> 00:18:42,226 Thank you. 337 00:18:51,426 --> 00:18:52,646 Moving on to item 6C. 338 00:18:53,446 --> 00:18:53,606 That 339 00:18:55,746 --> 00:18:56,486 shouldn't have happened. 340 00:18:56,846 --> 00:18:58,246 I know. 341 00:19:01,966 --> 00:19:02,346 Okay. 342 00:19:04,706 --> 00:19:05,106 We ready? 343 00:19:05,606 --> 00:19:06,266 Yes, please. 344 00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:07,606 Okay. So, 345 00:19:08,446 --> 00:19:12,266 agenda item 6C, this is a discussion item. 346 00:19:14,506 --> 00:19:14,726 And I 347 00:19:15,726 --> 00:19:19,406 left it open, when we're done discussing, if 348 00:19:19,546 --> 00:19:22,426 you want to ask for additional information, 349 00:19:23,706 --> 00:19:25,426 we can do that. I wasn't quite sure 350 00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,606 where we would actually go with this. 351 00:19:29,726 --> 00:19:30,066 So, 352 00:19:31,906 --> 00:19:35,846 at the April 9 special meeting, planning commission directed 353 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:39,746 staff to present a discussion item regarding Assembly Bill 354 00:19:40,306 --> 00:19:44,166 507 and the potential implications this bill may 355 00:19:44,206 --> 00:19:47,686 have on residential development in the city of Orland. 356 00:19:49,366 --> 00:19:50,936 So, I put together-- 357 00:19:52,026 --> 00:19:53,926 What I wanted to do is 358 00:19:55,666 --> 00:19:57,966 put together just kind of some talking points. 359 00:19:58,586 --> 00:20:01,406 Basically, I included the text of this bill, 360 00:20:02,566 --> 00:20:05,946 in case you were interested in going through the details. 361 00:20:06,446 --> 00:20:09,306 There is a lot of information in there. 362 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,386 This bill was... 363 00:20:14,226 --> 00:20:17,926 Assembly Bill 507 was approved by the governor on October 364 00:20:18,006 --> 00:20:21,766 10th, 2025, and it was with 365 00:20:21,846 --> 00:20:25,726 just a significant number of other land use 366 00:20:25,846 --> 00:20:29,736 bills, mostly related to the production 367 00:20:29,826 --> 00:20:30,386 or 368 00:20:32,326 --> 00:20:36,186 easing regulations for building newer houses, 369 00:20:36,606 --> 00:20:40,206 particularly to accommodate low income or 370 00:20:40,906 --> 00:20:42,246 specific communities, 371 00:20:43,146 --> 00:20:47,006 homelessness or elderly veterans that are having a 372 00:20:47,046 --> 00:20:48,386 very difficult time 373 00:20:49,866 --> 00:20:53,566 with housing. So this bill is interesting 374 00:20:53,606 --> 00:20:57,226 in its intent to streamline the adaptive 375 00:20:57,286 --> 00:21:01,246 reuse of existing buildings by allowing projects 376 00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:03,686 to be considered a use by right. 377 00:21:05,026 --> 00:21:08,826 Typically, in zoning areas, if you have commercial 378 00:21:08,926 --> 00:21:12,866 zoning, it doesn't necessarily allow for residential 379 00:21:12,906 --> 00:21:16,646 uses. It's kind of more of an older type of 380 00:21:16,706 --> 00:21:20,666 Euclid zoning, where the intent was to separate uses that 381 00:21:20,726 --> 00:21:23,426 could be detrimental to each other. 382 00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:28,846 Businesses tend to have different types of hours. 383 00:21:28,906 --> 00:21:31,986 They tend to make noise or parking. 384 00:21:32,026 --> 00:21:33,606 There's a lot more activity. 385 00:21:34,426 --> 00:21:35,306 Residences, 386 00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:37,766 of course, are 387 00:21:38,606 --> 00:21:41,746 residential uses, so much lower impact. 388 00:21:41,806 --> 00:21:42,046 So 389 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:46,786 a lot of the intent was just to separate the intensity of 390 00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:47,366 uses. 391 00:21:48,806 --> 00:21:50,446 Over probably the last 392 00:21:52,246 --> 00:21:56,226 20 years, that's kind of pretty close to my lifetime 393 00:21:56,266 --> 00:21:56,926 as a planner, 394 00:21:57,806 --> 00:21:59,306 housing has always been a problem. 395 00:21:59,726 --> 00:22:03,516 The provision of affordable housing has always been a 396 00:22:03,586 --> 00:22:03,976 problem, 397 00:22:04,806 --> 00:22:07,086 and there's a lot of reasons for that. 398 00:22:07,146 --> 00:22:11,026 I won't specifically go into that because I can beat that 399 00:22:11,066 --> 00:22:11,886 muck all night. 400 00:22:14,126 --> 00:22:18,026 But what is important to note with this, in the last 401 00:22:18,146 --> 00:22:21,895 five years, particularly, the state of California 402 00:22:22,026 --> 00:22:22,666 has 403 00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:27,316 worked very hard at addressing the housing 404 00:22:27,406 --> 00:22:31,226 crisis and affordability. And what they've done 405 00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:34,806 is change a lot of regulations, some of which 406 00:22:35,346 --> 00:22:39,106 ease the requirements for the California Environmental Quality 407 00:22:39,246 --> 00:22:39,506 Act, 408 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:40,706 for 409 00:22:41,566 --> 00:22:45,266 environmental documents to be prepared for subdivisions 410 00:22:45,406 --> 00:22:47,526 and for other types of developments. 411 00:22:48,006 --> 00:22:50,146 So they've eased that requirement. 412 00:22:50,406 --> 00:22:52,936 They've made changes in the requirements for parking, 413 00:22:53,766 --> 00:22:57,286 for lot sizes, for housing sizes, for where 414 00:22:57,306 --> 00:23:01,046 housing can be located, even allowing 415 00:23:01,086 --> 00:23:04,386 for abandoned commercial buildings to be 416 00:23:04,606 --> 00:23:08,186 modified into housing. They've encouraged for mixed-use 417 00:23:08,206 --> 00:23:08,986 development. 418 00:23:10,486 --> 00:23:14,346 I think used to, probably in the early parts of the 419 00:23:15,506 --> 00:23:17,766 19th century and on, 420 00:23:18,626 --> 00:23:21,346 it was very common to have buildings that were 421 00:23:22,486 --> 00:23:26,306 commercial or industrial even on the couple of ground 422 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:29,166 floors, and then above that would be residential. 423 00:23:29,586 --> 00:23:33,526 It was not unusual for business owners to 424 00:23:34,086 --> 00:23:36,446 live in the same building that they conducted business. 425 00:23:37,226 --> 00:23:40,616 But over time, I think particularly after World War II, 426 00:23:41,106 --> 00:23:44,946 people got away from that. There's more suburbs, and there was a very much 427 00:23:45,026 --> 00:23:46,806 larger divide with 428 00:23:47,866 --> 00:23:51,686 residential and commercial industrial types of uses. 429 00:23:52,106 --> 00:23:54,106 So we're kind of going back to that now. 430 00:23:55,366 --> 00:23:58,506 And basically, Assembly Bill 507 431 00:23:58,946 --> 00:24:02,706 provides some additional criteria that 432 00:24:02,746 --> 00:24:06,346 makes it easier to identify different types of 433 00:24:06,426 --> 00:24:10,386 uses that can be converted or adapted for 434 00:24:10,446 --> 00:24:11,806 residential uses. 435 00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:16,026 They use 436 00:24:17,566 --> 00:24:21,106 bypassing traditional conditional use permit processes 437 00:24:21,914 --> 00:24:25,694 The way the City of Orland municipal code is set up, it has permitted by 438 00:24:25,774 --> 00:24:29,614 right, administratively permitted, and conditionally permitted 439 00:24:29,734 --> 00:24:32,574 uses. So you could 440 00:24:33,834 --> 00:24:37,654 typically, with the way the ordinance is set up, it has several districts 441 00:24:37,714 --> 00:24:41,314 that allow residential uses as a conditional use. 442 00:24:41,754 --> 00:24:45,734 Those are the types of uses that would come back to the planning commission for 443 00:24:45,814 --> 00:24:49,694 review and approval to verify that there aren't going to 444 00:24:49,734 --> 00:24:52,694 be any negative impacts for public health and safety. 445 00:24:53,334 --> 00:24:53,574 So, 446 00:24:55,454 --> 00:24:58,834 this bill does bypass that type 447 00:24:58,954 --> 00:24:59,454 of 448 00:25:00,454 --> 00:25:02,714 oversight by the planning commission. 449 00:25:03,894 --> 00:25:07,754 This bill establishes affordability standards, and it exempts 450 00:25:07,814 --> 00:25:10,034 certain projects from parking requirements, 451 00:25:11,054 --> 00:25:14,794 and it facilitates the conversion of underutilized structures to 452 00:25:14,854 --> 00:25:18,714 multifamily residential. So that's kind of the 453 00:25:19,034 --> 00:25:20,094 gist of the bill. 454 00:25:21,074 --> 00:25:21,714 Basically, 455 00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:25,633 I kind of went through looking at 456 00:25:27,854 --> 00:25:31,184 the different aspects of this bill. 457 00:25:32,854 --> 00:25:34,694 Loss of discretionary authority 458 00:25:35,634 --> 00:25:38,934 is kind of one that rises to the top, because if 459 00:25:39,834 --> 00:25:43,574 you're streamlining a process, if it's permitted by right, if it made 460 00:25:43,614 --> 00:25:47,294 certain criteria, then that bypasses 461 00:25:47,394 --> 00:25:48,074 the 462 00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:53,694 Planning Commission's ability, and it kind of bypasses 463 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:57,934 the requirements for the Orland Municipal Code as well. 464 00:25:58,914 --> 00:26:02,794 So it takes a little bit of power away, or not necessarily power, 465 00:26:02,874 --> 00:26:06,794 but discretion away from local jurisdictions to be able 466 00:26:06,894 --> 00:26:10,554 to decide how they want their residential uses 467 00:26:11,774 --> 00:26:15,494 to be conducted within their city. So, that's an issue. 468 00:26:17,954 --> 00:26:21,654 It also has a streamlining process, so 469 00:26:21,694 --> 00:26:23,494 strict application to deadlines. 470 00:26:24,454 --> 00:26:28,404 Local agencies are required to process and approve or deny applications 471 00:26:28,474 --> 00:26:32,013 within specified times that are often very 472 00:26:32,134 --> 00:26:34,754 difficult for smaller jurisdictions to meet, 473 00:26:36,534 --> 00:26:37,814 just based on- 474 00:26:38,894 --> 00:26:41,234 Yeah. There's just something- 475 00:26:41,303 --> 00:26:42,194 The, um. 476 00:26:45,194 --> 00:26:45,444 Okay. 477 00:26:46,074 --> 00:26:46,083 Sorry. 478 00:26:46,094 --> 00:26:47,194 It's okay. I'm so sorry. 479 00:26:47,994 --> 00:26:48,414 Oh, that's okay. 480 00:26:49,354 --> 00:26:54,594 Affordability 481 00:26:54,734 --> 00:26:58,234 requirements. So these types of projects are 482 00:26:58,334 --> 00:27:01,794 required to qualify. They have to devote at least 483 00:27:01,934 --> 00:27:05,534 50% of their space to housing to include designated affordable 484 00:27:05,634 --> 00:27:06,054 units. 485 00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:11,694 For example, rental housing requires a minimum of 8% 486 00:27:11,974 --> 00:27:15,514 very low income and 5% extremely low 487 00:27:15,554 --> 00:27:16,014 income. 488 00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:21,154 We talked about this a little bit. 489 00:27:27,894 --> 00:27:30,354 So we talked a little bit about this before, that 490 00:27:32,114 --> 00:27:35,394 the housing element, the next housing element cycle is 491 00:27:35,434 --> 00:27:36,854 including additional 492 00:27:37,954 --> 00:27:40,994 acutely low income and extremely low income 493 00:27:41,734 --> 00:27:45,334 categories for housing. So I think a lot of these, 494 00:27:45,694 --> 00:27:49,414 the newer housing bills are intended to help support 495 00:27:49,474 --> 00:27:49,814 that. 496 00:27:54,474 --> 00:27:58,384 So and also for CEQA exemptions is 497 00:27:58,434 --> 00:28:02,274 they are eliminating conditionally, approvals 498 00:28:02,334 --> 00:28:03,594 by conditional, 499 00:28:06,314 --> 00:28:10,054 the conditional use permits, then it would be a 500 00:28:10,254 --> 00:28:13,274 CEQA exempt and ministerial approved by right. 501 00:28:13,454 --> 00:28:16,374 So, that cuts out another layer of 502 00:28:16,534 --> 00:28:20,294 potential impacts that may be important 503 00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:25,014 in circulation or by provision of services. 504 00:28:25,694 --> 00:28:28,554 So it makes it a little bit more difficult that way as well. 505 00:28:37,814 --> 00:28:41,214 And there are quite a bit of other items. 506 00:28:41,394 --> 00:28:45,374 One thing that I did want to mention is this bill, even though it was approved and 507 00:28:45,474 --> 00:28:49,414 signed in October 2025, it does not go into 508 00:28:49,474 --> 00:28:52,874 effect until July 1 of this year. So, 509 00:28:54,954 --> 00:28:58,724 it's not something that we have to worry about right now, but that is kind of 510 00:28:58,774 --> 00:28:59,754 right around the corner. 511 00:29:01,334 --> 00:29:05,194 And I had, unfortunately, other notes on my 512 00:29:05,214 --> 00:29:06,174 computer, but 513 00:29:08,114 --> 00:29:10,054 anyways, yeah. So 514 00:29:10,914 --> 00:29:13,494 I would be open to answer questions. 515 00:29:14,074 --> 00:29:15,134 If you have questions, 516 00:29:16,054 --> 00:29:17,854 I can bring back additional information. 517 00:29:18,314 --> 00:29:20,074 If you have something specific, 518 00:29:21,214 --> 00:29:25,054 if there is something in town that you think might be an 519 00:29:25,114 --> 00:29:28,034 issue that you would like some additional information on, 520 00:29:28,874 --> 00:29:32,354 I would be glad to gather that. But that's kind of 521 00:29:32,494 --> 00:29:36,084 a short version of 20 pages of state 522 00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:37,114 law. Yeah. 523 00:29:40,534 --> 00:29:42,154 Thank you very much for the presentations. 524 00:29:42,734 --> 00:29:45,334 Looks like Commissioner Montague has something to start. 525 00:29:46,224 --> 00:29:50,114 Yeah, the reason why I asked you a couple months ago to bring this 526 00:29:50,234 --> 00:29:54,184 up, because when I read through it, it's like, as I said, it takes a couple of 527 00:29:54,194 --> 00:29:56,374 days because you fall asleep after page five. 528 00:29:57,414 --> 00:29:57,654 But, 529 00:29:58,874 --> 00:29:59,414 I just wanted to 530 00:30:01,414 --> 00:30:05,354 bring it up and discuss it because the biggest problem that I saw with that 531 00:30:05,694 --> 00:30:07,274 is it makes it, it 532 00:30:09,014 --> 00:30:12,954 takes that control away locally. And what's good for Orland and what's good 533 00:30:12,994 --> 00:30:14,674 for LA are two different things. And 534 00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:18,264 I don't like the idea 535 00:30:19,274 --> 00:30:22,974 that state-- Again, they've done this to us a few times in the last number of 536 00:30:23,014 --> 00:30:24,114 years, where they kind of- 537 00:30:24,946 --> 00:30:27,886 mandate something that's really none of their business. 538 00:30:28,386 --> 00:30:32,266 And I don't like the idea that the state comes up with something like 539 00:30:32,306 --> 00:30:35,606 this that it basically tells us how to run our own city. 540 00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:38,866 And that they make-- 541 00:30:39,526 --> 00:30:43,106 When I read through it, it seemed to me they're 542 00:30:43,306 --> 00:30:47,176 gutting the zoning laws. They're making it to where you could 543 00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:50,866 make anything in the 544 00:30:50,906 --> 00:30:53,766 residential except for heavy industrial. Is that right? 545 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:55,866 I mean, for anything commercial area, you can 546 00:30:57,026 --> 00:30:59,926 convert any commercial property into a residence by 547 00:30:59,986 --> 00:31:02,776 right. Is that the way you read it? 548 00:31:02,866 --> 00:31:04,496 That's the way I understand it as well. 549 00:31:04,515 --> 00:31:06,146 Yeah. And I think that's a bad idea. 550 00:31:06,306 --> 00:31:09,086 I know there's nothing we can really do about it. 551 00:31:09,166 --> 00:31:10,566 I guess we can write a letter to them. 552 00:31:11,226 --> 00:31:11,726 They're not- 553 00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:12,966 Gonna get it done or something, but 554 00:31:14,886 --> 00:31:18,826 I haven't gotten really super into the weeds with this, but one thing that I have 555 00:31:18,886 --> 00:31:22,606 noticed that is fairly consistent with a lot of these 556 00:31:22,646 --> 00:31:26,546 housing bills is that it does allow for health and safety 557 00:31:26,626 --> 00:31:29,505 concerns. So if somebody was looking at 558 00:31:31,106 --> 00:31:35,086 revamping a commercial property for residential 559 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:35,506 use, 560 00:31:36,466 --> 00:31:40,286 but that property did not allow for appropriate 561 00:31:40,606 --> 00:31:41,526 fire protection, 562 00:31:42,706 --> 00:31:46,696 that the local jurisdiction could make findings saying that, "No, we're not 563 00:31:46,706 --> 00:31:50,186 going to approve this because it is a health and safety issue." 564 00:31:51,086 --> 00:31:54,926 So those types of things are still on the table, but it 565 00:31:54,966 --> 00:31:58,386 is something that you have to do the fact-finding and make the 566 00:31:58,446 --> 00:32:01,966 findings and say, "No, this is not going to be 567 00:32:02,046 --> 00:32:04,826 approvable because it doesn't meet this criteria." 568 00:32:05,026 --> 00:32:06,526 And probably defend it in court. 569 00:32:07,706 --> 00:32:08,326 Potentially. 570 00:32:08,406 --> 00:32:08,546 Yeah. 571 00:32:08,646 --> 00:32:12,546 I guess it depends on how aggressive the developer would 572 00:32:12,686 --> 00:32:12,966 be. 573 00:32:13,726 --> 00:32:17,686 Well, I mean, it's like that one thing we talked about was a 574 00:32:17,806 --> 00:32:19,506 year ago or so, where the 575 00:32:22,206 --> 00:32:25,666 contractor developers were remedying stuff to where it makes it-- 576 00:32:26,066 --> 00:32:28,446 It seems like it's right on that same 577 00:32:29,946 --> 00:32:33,526 level. 578 00:32:33,666 --> 00:32:35,906 Again, Sacramento's telling us what to do. 579 00:32:36,176 --> 00:32:39,366 And I think that these kinds of issues are better 580 00:32:40,206 --> 00:32:41,426 handled locally. 581 00:32:41,666 --> 00:32:45,436 Well, and I think you're also 582 00:32:45,486 --> 00:32:48,766 going to see, from the other jurisdictions that I've worked for, 583 00:32:49,546 --> 00:32:53,326 there are very few of these projects that actually come forward 584 00:32:53,366 --> 00:32:57,106 because the properties that would be big enough to make a 585 00:32:57,166 --> 00:32:59,506 conversion like that profitable 586 00:33:00,606 --> 00:33:01,466 just aren't here. 587 00:33:02,286 --> 00:33:06,146 The smaller jurisdictions just don't have the available property, 588 00:33:07,766 --> 00:33:08,386 the 589 00:33:10,086 --> 00:33:14,006 vacant commercial properties that would be large enough that you could 590 00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:16,446 make a conversion pay off. 591 00:33:17,326 --> 00:33:19,986 Right. We don't have an empty Walmart or an empty Kmart- 592 00:33:20,606 --> 00:33:20,806 Right 593 00:33:20,866 --> 00:33:21,426 ... over here like- 594 00:33:21,686 --> 00:33:21,926 So- 595 00:33:22,426 --> 00:33:26,166 But that's just the idea. Just the idea kind of bugged me when 596 00:33:26,686 --> 00:33:29,526 I read that a few months back, and I said that- 597 00:33:29,686 --> 00:33:33,266 I think the part that bothers me the most is the request for 598 00:33:33,366 --> 00:33:35,086 the expedited review. 599 00:33:35,226 --> 00:33:35,686 Yeah. The review. 600 00:33:35,726 --> 00:33:39,586 Because for smaller jurisdictions, I know 601 00:33:39,766 --> 00:33:40,726 for City Hall, 602 00:33:43,246 --> 00:33:47,166 when you're really super limited on staff, that is a very hard 603 00:33:47,246 --> 00:33:50,946 push. And if you're having to bypass 604 00:33:51,126 --> 00:33:54,966 other projects for people that live in the community to be able to make that 605 00:33:55,026 --> 00:33:55,386 happen, 606 00:33:56,366 --> 00:33:57,446 it's very disappointing. 607 00:33:57,726 --> 00:34:01,706 Yeah. I think it was like some 60 days or 608 00:34:01,826 --> 00:34:01,996 something. 609 00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:04,986 Yeah, 60 to 90 days, depending on the size of the project. 610 00:34:05,546 --> 00:34:09,136 Anyway, that's why I brought it up here months ago for 611 00:34:09,286 --> 00:34:12,446 clarification. I don't know that it's going to affect us too much, but you 612 00:34:12,566 --> 00:34:16,446 literally could take a building in a commercial area 613 00:34:16,506 --> 00:34:18,866 and convert it to a house. 614 00:34:19,346 --> 00:34:20,127 With it? 615 00:34:20,586 --> 00:34:21,256 Well, almost 616 00:34:22,346 --> 00:34:25,147 by right. Virtually by right. Not can. 617 00:34:25,826 --> 00:34:26,806 Virtually by right. 618 00:34:27,046 --> 00:34:27,286 Right. 619 00:34:27,946 --> 00:34:30,316 You can take a commercial building- 620 00:34:30,406 --> 00:34:31,226 I would imagine that 621 00:34:32,886 --> 00:34:36,506 when they're talking about 50% of the space has to 622 00:34:36,566 --> 00:34:40,457 be included for affordable units and 8% 623 00:34:40,486 --> 00:34:43,377 for very low income and extremely low income. 624 00:34:44,187 --> 00:34:48,147 So I think that is probably going to control a 625 00:34:48,226 --> 00:34:51,906 lot of the potential for revamping 626 00:34:51,966 --> 00:34:52,546 properties, 627 00:34:53,906 --> 00:34:57,886 because there just isn't a significant amount of money based on 628 00:34:57,966 --> 00:35:01,666 how much it would actually cost to do the improvements. 629 00:35:03,626 --> 00:35:07,346 Because it would have to meet the building code to be an actual 630 00:35:07,386 --> 00:35:08,426 residential unit. 631 00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:12,966 But I mean, like a small project, if you took that commercial 632 00:35:13,006 --> 00:35:14,006 building out here somewhere- 633 00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:14,306 Sure 634 00:35:14,326 --> 00:35:18,206 ... and made it into a duplex, that 5%, 8% thing doesn't really matter, 635 00:35:18,246 --> 00:35:18,726 but it doesn't. 636 00:35:19,086 --> 00:35:19,566 It does. 637 00:35:20,006 --> 00:35:23,966 How do you make 5% of it low income 638 00:35:24,036 --> 00:35:25,186 or 8% low income? 639 00:35:25,696 --> 00:35:27,646 So how it would matter if-- 640 00:35:31,366 --> 00:35:33,266 Let's just say acutely low income. 641 00:35:33,306 --> 00:35:33,446 Mm-hmm. 642 00:35:33,606 --> 00:35:33,846 So 643 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:38,366 to figure 644 00:35:38,466 --> 00:35:42,346 out what the annual salary of somebody that would 645 00:35:42,386 --> 00:35:46,226 be acutely low, basically, either their rent 646 00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:50,626 or their mortgage would have to be less than $250 647 00:35:50,686 --> 00:35:51,126 a month. 648 00:35:52,126 --> 00:35:55,206 So I think it is unlikely that somebody's going to spend 649 00:35:56,186 --> 00:35:59,506 potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to convert a commercial 650 00:35:59,586 --> 00:36:03,356 building to residential units that are 651 00:36:03,386 --> 00:36:06,706 going to-- They would have to have some kind 652 00:36:06,886 --> 00:36:10,866 of benefit to be able to make it so they're only 653 00:36:10,946 --> 00:36:14,926 charging $250 a month for those lower income 654 00:36:14,986 --> 00:36:15,166 units. 655 00:36:15,626 --> 00:36:19,446 Does that 5% kick in? Does that mean there has to be at least 19 units in that 656 00:36:19,486 --> 00:36:23,316 building or 20 units in order for 5% of them to meet that requirement? 657 00:36:23,506 --> 00:36:24,236 I mean, if it was the two- 658 00:36:24,366 --> 00:36:25,806 That's a really good question. 659 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:28,496 If it's a two-unit building, how do you say 5% of- 660 00:36:28,586 --> 00:36:32,246 Well, if it's a two-unit building and they're converting that to just 661 00:36:32,686 --> 00:36:33,926 regular apartments- 662 00:36:35,596 --> 00:36:36,356 Then the ques- 663 00:36:38,096 --> 00:36:41,976 Well, you may even round it up. It's not round. Way up. 664 00:36:42,056 --> 00:36:42,375 That's what I'm saying. 665 00:36:42,396 --> 00:36:46,216 Well, if you take into consideration how many of the older buildings 666 00:36:46,276 --> 00:36:49,796 downtown were actually designed, and we have residential downtown and 667 00:36:49,876 --> 00:36:50,416 commercial 668 00:36:51,556 --> 00:36:52,896 downstairs and residential upstairs. 669 00:36:52,956 --> 00:36:53,736 I understand, yeah. 670 00:36:56,356 --> 00:36:59,416 So I don't know that there's that big of a call for it. 671 00:36:59,736 --> 00:37:03,396 I understand the question you're asking, and I don't have a 672 00:37:03,436 --> 00:37:07,156 specifically good answer for if it was a small enough 673 00:37:07,196 --> 00:37:10,736 building, would they have to be low income to meet this? 674 00:37:10,796 --> 00:37:11,326 Well, low income- 675 00:37:11,416 --> 00:37:13,086 So that would be something that I would look at 676 00:37:13,086 --> 00:37:16,096 ... low income's not a huge bar. The big bar is that ultra low income. 677 00:37:17,136 --> 00:37:18,356 Well, it is. It is. 678 00:37:18,756 --> 00:37:18,836 Yeah. 679 00:37:18,896 --> 00:37:22,536 And, I don't know that there are buildings... 680 00:37:23,865 --> 00:37:27,836 I don't know the size of the building that you would have to want to 681 00:37:27,916 --> 00:37:28,616 convert 682 00:37:29,496 --> 00:37:33,036 for this to kick in. That would be something that I would have to look 683 00:37:33,076 --> 00:37:34,716 at and run some numbers. 684 00:37:34,756 --> 00:37:37,416 Yeah. Because those numbers, those 5%, 8% numbers, 685 00:37:38,975 --> 00:37:42,456 how it seems to me it wouldn't kick in unless you're putting in 20 units before you 686 00:37:42,516 --> 00:37:44,576 take 5% of the project and make it- 687 00:37:44,616 --> 00:37:45,166 Potentially, yeah 688 00:37:45,176 --> 00:37:48,136 ... ultra-low income. So the other 19 is what a profit will be. 689 00:37:48,716 --> 00:37:48,936 I'm not 690 00:37:50,256 --> 00:37:51,196 saying it's going to happen 691 00:37:52,156 --> 00:37:55,856 on that, as far as there... Again, there's not a big, old empty 692 00:37:55,916 --> 00:37:56,996 Kmart down here taking up- 693 00:37:57,036 --> 00:37:57,216 Right 694 00:37:57,316 --> 00:38:00,416 ... 80 acres. So we don't have that kind of issue. 695 00:38:00,616 --> 00:38:04,436 There's lots of buildings around town you can convert to a house or an apartment. 696 00:38:04,736 --> 00:38:06,056 Probably wouldn't be very hard. 697 00:38:06,156 --> 00:38:10,056 Well, and if it is not low 698 00:38:10,156 --> 00:38:13,636 income, and it is not subsidized, and doesn't meet 699 00:38:13,676 --> 00:38:14,896 specific criteria, 700 00:38:16,016 --> 00:38:19,296 you would just go through your use permit process if it was a 701 00:38:20,616 --> 00:38:21,556 regular housing unit. 702 00:38:21,816 --> 00:38:25,616 Yeah. But if it that, then we're talking residential as opposed to 703 00:38:25,656 --> 00:38:29,516 commercial. We can take commercial properties and convert them into houses- 704 00:38:29,876 --> 00:38:29,936 Mm 705 00:38:30,476 --> 00:38:33,476 ... or convert them into duplexes or something like that. 706 00:38:34,656 --> 00:38:38,496 And, again, biggest problem, and sometimes it's not a bad thing, 707 00:38:38,956 --> 00:38:42,476 it just, the thing that bugged me was the use by right, that comment. 708 00:38:42,516 --> 00:38:42,795 Yes. 709 00:38:42,996 --> 00:38:43,216 That- 710 00:38:43,436 --> 00:38:44,226 Municipal 711 00:38:44,436 --> 00:38:48,336 ... by right you could take a big, old, ugly building over 712 00:38:48,356 --> 00:38:52,176 here by the railroad tracks or something, and or whatever, and convert it into 713 00:38:53,276 --> 00:38:54,696 three or four apartments and 714 00:38:55,776 --> 00:38:56,296 then we'd have- 715 00:38:57,316 --> 00:38:58,056 Technicalities 716 00:38:58,176 --> 00:39:00,256 ... where the state tells us what we have to do. 717 00:39:00,796 --> 00:39:02,216 I don't like being told what to do. 718 00:39:02,676 --> 00:39:03,236 Fair enough. 719 00:39:03,336 --> 00:39:03,656 You know? 720 00:39:04,096 --> 00:39:05,466 Yeah. Fair enough. I understand. 721 00:39:05,486 --> 00:39:06,296 The state mandate. 722 00:39:07,096 --> 00:39:09,036 But that was what I 723 00:39:09,856 --> 00:39:11,276 brought it up. I read that and it's like 724 00:39:12,276 --> 00:39:16,076 we lose control. We lose local 725 00:39:17,636 --> 00:39:21,106 control. This one size fits all state, and 726 00:39:21,556 --> 00:39:24,816 California's not a one size fits all state by any means. 727 00:39:24,876 --> 00:39:28,376 It's a state that's very diverse. So 728 00:39:28,396 --> 00:39:29,106 that was- 729 00:39:29,136 --> 00:39:29,636 Fair enough 730 00:39:29,696 --> 00:39:31,356 ... even Sacramento gets into our business. 731 00:39:31,556 --> 00:39:35,216 What's good for Sacramento or Raleigh is not necessarily good 732 00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:39,326 for... And that use by right, that- 733 00:39:42,576 --> 00:39:44,266 I understand your perspective. Yes. 734 00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:44,796 Yeah. And so, 735 00:39:46,076 --> 00:39:49,476 anyway. And that was my question that I was raising 736 00:39:50,196 --> 00:39:52,356 two or three months ago when I brought this up. 737 00:39:52,386 --> 00:39:55,156 We had that, and it's like, "That doesn't sound 738 00:39:56,156 --> 00:39:59,906 right." And I read through those pages, but 739 00:39:59,936 --> 00:40:03,016 again, we got 20 pages, and it still bores you to death. 740 00:40:03,076 --> 00:40:04,256 I don't know how you do it, but 741 00:40:05,316 --> 00:40:05,596 and so- 742 00:40:05,696 --> 00:40:07,276 Sometimes it's pretty hard to swallow. 743 00:40:07,316 --> 00:40:07,365 Yeah 744 00:40:07,365 --> 00:40:07,596 Yeah. It's 745 00:40:08,536 --> 00:40:12,296 good nighttime reading if there is insomnia. It puts you to sleep. 746 00:40:12,336 --> 00:40:14,316 So that's why I brought this up. 747 00:40:15,756 --> 00:40:19,536 It's probably not a huge thing in Orland, it's probably not a 748 00:40:19,576 --> 00:40:23,496 huge thing, but it does make it commercial zone, commercial buildings, like 749 00:40:23,516 --> 00:40:24,966 commercial zones are now- 750 00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:25,645 There is a potential- 751 00:40:25,666 --> 00:40:26,236 ... by right 752 00:40:26,256 --> 00:40:26,546 ... for it to- 753 00:40:26,756 --> 00:40:29,216 By right it can be made into residential. 754 00:40:29,246 --> 00:40:32,376 And you might have some conflicts if you have 755 00:40:32,736 --> 00:40:35,616 residential immediately close to a commercial 756 00:40:36,556 --> 00:40:36,766 situation. 757 00:40:36,796 --> 00:40:40,716 Well, if it, ultimately, on a conversion like that, if you have a health 758 00:40:40,736 --> 00:40:41,676 and safety issue, 759 00:40:42,556 --> 00:40:46,036 like I was mentioning before, if fire can't 760 00:40:46,056 --> 00:40:49,976 provide adequate services to the building for whatever reason, or 761 00:40:50,016 --> 00:40:53,736 if it doesn't meet building code in a way that it can 762 00:40:53,836 --> 00:40:56,115 actually be considered a residence. 763 00:40:57,236 --> 00:41:01,076 Those are all things that could be findings that you could say, "No, this 764 00:41:01,136 --> 00:41:02,236 is not going to work." 765 00:41:02,276 --> 00:41:05,676 Yeah, that's hard to say, "Well, it wouldn't meet the fire code or 766 00:41:05,756 --> 00:41:08,186 something." Well, it's pretty- 767 00:41:08,186 --> 00:41:11,656 I have seen a couple of projects that that was actually true 768 00:41:12,116 --> 00:41:15,516 on secondary access for provision of emergency 769 00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:16,176 services. 770 00:41:16,296 --> 00:41:16,536 Yeah. 771 00:41:17,456 --> 00:41:17,976 So, it 772 00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:19,796 depends. 773 00:41:20,456 --> 00:41:23,956 It feels like a lot of the stuff, though, was already slipped in 774 00:41:24,556 --> 00:41:28,016 when we had to add so much that we didn't want to add 775 00:41:28,516 --> 00:41:29,736 to our house development. So- 776 00:41:29,876 --> 00:41:30,116 Yes 777 00:41:30,136 --> 00:41:33,036 ... a lot of this stuff is already on the books. 778 00:41:33,176 --> 00:41:34,176 It's already- 779 00:41:34,216 --> 00:41:37,916 They're just putting an exclamation point on a portion of it. 780 00:41:39,556 --> 00:41:43,316 But are there municipalities that maybe have slipped 781 00:41:44,316 --> 00:41:46,816 Trojan horses into their health and safety codes that could 782 00:41:47,856 --> 00:41:51,136 help give them out? It's not that I'm saying that we should do that here, but... 783 00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:56,156 It depends on how creative you want to be. 784 00:41:56,856 --> 00:41:58,456 It's always possible. 785 00:42:00,876 --> 00:42:03,656 I think if you 786 00:42:04,576 --> 00:42:07,656 had a way of rewriting your code 787 00:42:08,376 --> 00:42:11,776 that would make it easier to 788 00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:12,936 prioritize 789 00:42:14,016 --> 00:42:17,576 moderate, and the above moderate types of housing, 790 00:42:18,616 --> 00:42:21,916 you would probably want your city attorney to 791 00:42:22,076 --> 00:42:25,336 verify that that would not be causing a problem. 792 00:42:26,676 --> 00:42:28,296 I just say that as just- 793 00:42:30,776 --> 00:42:31,056 One take. 794 00:42:31,136 --> 00:42:34,836 And I'm also going to reiterate that 795 00:42:35,156 --> 00:42:36,696 I have seen very 796 00:42:37,556 --> 00:42:41,456 few of these types of projects coming into smaller 797 00:42:41,556 --> 00:42:44,676 communities Because they typically don't pencil. 798 00:42:45,796 --> 00:42:45,916 Hmm. 799 00:42:46,396 --> 00:42:46,516 Hmm. 800 00:42:47,716 --> 00:42:49,096 But it's just a continuation of- 801 00:42:49,436 --> 00:42:49,616 Yes 802 00:42:49,626 --> 00:42:52,736 ... of everything else that we've seen, another thing that we've discussed in the 803 00:42:53,536 --> 00:42:56,456 recent few weeks, where the state can come in and- 804 00:42:57,216 --> 00:42:57,436 Yes 805 00:42:57,476 --> 00:43:01,436 ... they can ministerially tell you what you can and cannot do, regardless 806 00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:03,636 of what decisions your city's already made. 807 00:43:03,936 --> 00:43:04,216 Yes. 808 00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:09,076 Which is kind of shameful because that was the whole point of 809 00:43:09,136 --> 00:43:11,276 making cities have a general plan- 810 00:43:11,556 --> 00:43:11,746 Mm-hmm 811 00:43:11,746 --> 00:43:15,436 ... specific plans, and zoning ordinances for their own communities. 812 00:43:16,816 --> 00:43:18,876 Which is great, plus they got other ideas. 813 00:43:19,356 --> 00:43:19,556 Yeah. 814 00:43:20,676 --> 00:43:21,066 Mm-hmm. 815 00:43:22,596 --> 00:43:23,176 Tyler, anything? 816 00:43:25,316 --> 00:43:28,196 Thank you for that enlightening presentation. 817 00:43:28,576 --> 00:43:29,036 You're welcome. 818 00:43:30,416 --> 00:43:32,776 And gentlemen, I want to thank you for returning. 819 00:43:33,216 --> 00:43:35,816 Appreciate it, and appreciate you sitting through that. And Tyler, thank you. 820 00:43:35,896 --> 00:43:37,456 Yeah. I apologize, guys. 821 00:43:37,836 --> 00:43:41,776 So at this point I will, like I said, I will disclose that I have 822 00:43:41,896 --> 00:43:45,866 a partial ownership of a neighboring property, and will recuse myself at 823 00:43:45,896 --> 00:43:48,396 this point under the direction of the city attorney. 824 00:43:48,916 --> 00:43:52,906 So I will turn the meeting over to Vice Chair Montag, and 825 00:43:53,116 --> 00:43:54,836 I will step outside for a few minutes. 826 00:44:00,696 --> 00:44:02,156 All right. Thank you, Steve. 827 00:44:05,116 --> 00:44:07,796 Chairman Nobbe will be back after this matter is concluded. 828 00:44:08,356 --> 00:44:09,816 All right. 829 00:44:13,536 --> 00:44:16,256 City planner, you want to give us a rundown on the- 830 00:44:17,496 --> 00:44:17,836 Jennifer 831 00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:18,786 ... report on this? 832 00:44:18,876 --> 00:44:21,676 Yeah. Bring up that presentation. 833 00:44:35,956 --> 00:44:43,836 Maybe. 834 00:44:44,826 --> 00:44:45,036 There. 835 00:44:48,736 --> 00:44:49,156 Okay. 836 00:44:50,256 --> 00:44:53,476 Lisa Lozier, senior planner. I'll be presenting agenda item 837 00:44:54,076 --> 00:44:54,616 6A, 838 00:44:55,416 --> 00:44:56,796 for tentative parcel map 839 00:44:58,496 --> 00:45:02,356 2026-02. So the location 840 00:45:02,396 --> 00:45:06,096 for this project is 217 East Walker Street, 841 00:45:06,776 --> 00:45:08,036 and APN 842 00:45:08,436 --> 00:45:12,096 041121017. 843 00:45:12,706 --> 00:45:16,596 The site is currently developed with two existing buildings, 844 00:45:17,196 --> 00:45:21,056 a 3,664 square foot building and 845 00:45:21,096 --> 00:45:25,076 a 5,474 square foot building. It is 846 00:45:25,136 --> 00:45:27,416 my understanding that these are 847 00:45:28,276 --> 00:45:32,036 not currently being used for commercial 848 00:45:32,436 --> 00:45:35,196 purposes, but they are commercial buildings. 849 00:45:35,596 --> 00:45:38,256 They are located in a C2 850 00:45:39,356 --> 00:45:41,936 community commercial location. 851 00:45:42,756 --> 00:45:45,916 You can hit the next slide for me, please. 852 00:45:47,336 --> 00:45:47,676 So, 853 00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:52,116 the controlling interest for 854 00:45:52,716 --> 00:45:54,796 subdivisions is Title 16, 855 00:45:55,576 --> 00:45:59,076 1612030 for tentative maps. The planning commission is 856 00:45:59,136 --> 00:46:02,896 authorized to approve, conditionally approve, or disapprove 857 00:46:02,936 --> 00:46:06,896 such subdivisions that do not require final map as provided 858 00:46:06,956 --> 00:46:10,446 for in Section 161204 859 00:46:10,776 --> 00:46:11,696 of this code. 860 00:46:15,036 --> 00:46:18,976 For conformance, we're looking at land which is subject to 861 00:46:19,016 --> 00:46:21,996 the provisions of this title and shall conform to the 862 00:46:22,056 --> 00:46:23,076 regulations. 863 00:46:24,396 --> 00:46:25,956 It also points to 864 00:46:27,076 --> 00:46:31,056 the City of Orland Municipal Code that lays out what the 865 00:46:31,136 --> 00:46:33,756 lot sizes are typically, what 866 00:46:34,616 --> 00:46:38,256 setbacks for particular properties are, and 867 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:41,256 development standards. So next slide, please. 868 00:46:42,656 --> 00:46:44,396 So for this particular project, 869 00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:49,036 this is the map that was presented, the plat, 870 00:46:49,816 --> 00:46:52,476 and it shows the layout of the project, 871 00:46:53,396 --> 00:46:54,676 where the two parcels are, 872 00:46:55,736 --> 00:46:59,725 the current lot lines for parcel, and 873 00:46:59,736 --> 00:47:02,176 then the layout for parcel one and parcel two. 874 00:47:03,576 --> 00:47:03,936 Go ahead. 875 00:47:05,376 --> 00:47:09,176 So the proposed tentative parcel map will subdivide 876 00:47:09,256 --> 00:47:12,936 its approximately 1.2 acre property into two separate 877 00:47:13,056 --> 00:47:16,856 lots. Each of the proposed parcels exceeds the 878 00:47:17,016 --> 00:47:20,876 minimum 6,000 square foot minimum parcel size. 879 00:47:23,936 --> 00:47:24,886 Those are 880 00:47:26,076 --> 00:47:29,276 in the C2, the 6,000 square foot is the minimum. 881 00:47:29,916 --> 00:47:32,756 For parcel one, the proposed size is 882 00:47:32,896 --> 00:47:35,796 22,267 square feet, 883 00:47:36,616 --> 00:47:38,196 and for lot two, it is 884 00:47:38,356 --> 00:47:41,556 27,186 square feet. 885 00:47:42,336 --> 00:47:45,856 And as I mentioned, those are above the minimum, so they're 886 00:47:45,936 --> 00:47:46,596 appropriate. 887 00:47:47,396 --> 00:47:49,036 There is no current 888 00:47:49,896 --> 00:47:52,996 proposal for any new type of development. 889 00:47:53,696 --> 00:47:57,356 The way the lot lines are proposed, it puts one 890 00:47:57,416 --> 00:48:00,276 building on each parcel. They meet the 891 00:48:00,796 --> 00:48:03,756 standards for setbacks, 892 00:48:04,656 --> 00:48:06,296 so that is appropriate. 893 00:48:07,136 --> 00:48:10,576 If you can, next. So this shows that 894 00:48:11,996 --> 00:48:14,876 both parcels would continue to be in the 895 00:48:15,656 --> 00:48:17,096 community commercial zone. 896 00:48:18,576 --> 00:48:18,956 And 897 00:48:20,916 --> 00:48:22,166 both parcels 898 00:48:23,656 --> 00:48:26,536 would have access, and they currently have 899 00:48:26,876 --> 00:48:30,836 utilities service, so basically, we're just drawing 900 00:48:30,936 --> 00:48:34,736 lines at this point with no proposed development 901 00:48:34,836 --> 00:48:35,376 activity. 902 00:48:37,376 --> 00:48:40,816 So the environmental determination is for minor lot 903 00:48:41,256 --> 00:48:42,236 land divisions. 904 00:48:43,136 --> 00:48:47,076 Usually anything that is less than five acres or less than 905 00:48:47,556 --> 00:48:51,140 four parcels Meets that minor land divisions 906 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,780 classification for 15.315. 907 00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:59,100 So that is the recommendation for environmental determination. 908 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,480 And next slide. 909 00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,940 The recommendation is move to approve Planning Commission Resolution 910 00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:09,720 2026-02 and Exhibit A, conditions of 911 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:13,440 approval, finding that the project is categorically exempt from the 912 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,660 environmental review pursuant to guidelines 913 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:19,320 15.315 for minor land divisions. 914 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:21,480 And that concludes my presentation. 915 00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:26,640 Mm-hmm. Ready to question this item? No. 916 00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:27,840 Karen? 917 00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:30,420 No, just a note that the 918 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,500 lower one, the southern building, access is from Colusa 919 00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:35,920 Street. 920 00:49:36,340 --> 00:49:36,960 Yes. 921 00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:40,300 And so but then Walker Street would be the access to the- 922 00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:41,100 Parcel road 923 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,160 ... southern parcel. But that, that piece. 924 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,510 Any questions? No. 925 00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:51,080 Okay, we'll open up for public hearing. 926 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,420 Yeah. 927 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,020 Steve? 928 00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:58,000 Steve Butler, Precision Surveying, representing the applicant. 929 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,760 We accept the conditions of approval. 930 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,940 Thank the staff for a report, and I'm here to answer any questions 931 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:04,540 you may have. 932 00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:07,460 Any questions for- 933 00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:09,440 Well, since you invited us. 934 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:12,350 Have you got big plans, or is there a- 935 00:50:12,580 --> 00:50:16,400 Not this time. It's basically an estate planning 936 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:19,520 tool. This was two parcels, and the 937 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,150 building on this, on parcel two was 938 00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:27,020 constructed over the property line, which required a merger 939 00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:30,420 of those parcels some time ago. And we 940 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,860 probably-- it probably should've been a lot line adjustment at that time, but 941 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,400 it didn't happen, so it was- 942 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:36,790 Mm-hmm 943 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,400 ... it's a parcel now. 944 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,350 It used to be an actual line. That's the- 945 00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:41,740 Yes. 946 00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:44,500 Yeah. It's completely different. 947 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,890 Any other comments from the 948 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:49,400 team? 949 00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:56,720 Uh, he just answered my question, or that, that-- did you ask, because I live two 950 00:50:56,739 --> 00:51:00,400 blocks, or a block and a half away. I was just wondering if it was any plans for 951 00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:03,240 the buildings, just basically a lot line adjustment. 952 00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,160 But just my question's answered. Thank you. 953 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,800 It's going to be split, not a... 954 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,520 It's, no, it's a split. 955 00:51:10,529 --> 00:51:10,529 It's a split. 956 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:11,380 It's a split. 957 00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:12,420 Not a land line. 958 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,560 That's correct. 959 00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:14,420 No, it's a split. 960 00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:14,900 It's a- 961 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,240 It'll be a parcel into two parcels. 962 00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:17,800 Exactly. 963 00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:18,280 Yeah. 964 00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:20,430 Not like the other one, which is actually a lot adjustment. 965 00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:21,580 Different than the other one. 966 00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:23,240 Might be a little bit. 967 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,500 Any other public comments? 968 00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:29,910 Okay. Close the public hearing. And then 969 00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:32,460 it is your wishes. 970 00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:34,390 Move. 971 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,220 Entertain a motion, please. 972 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,120 I move that we approve the Planning Commission Resolution 973 00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:44,660 2026-02 and Exhibit A, conditions 974 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:45,380 of approval, 975 00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:50,420 and find that the lead project is categorically exempt 976 00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,400 from environmental review pursuant to CEQA Guidelines Section 977 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,520 15315, minor land divisions. 978 00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,120 Mm-hmm. 979 00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:00,720 Second. 980 00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,120 Okay, we have a motion and a second. 981 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,260 Those in favor, say aye. 982 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:06,860 Aye. 983 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,860 Aye. Hearing no opposed, motion passes 984 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,360 three zero one. 985 00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:15,120 Oh, okay. 986 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,280 We have one abstaining. 987 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:17,240 I get that. 988 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,050 Thank you. 989 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:19,380 Thank you, Steve. 990 00:52:19,540 --> 00:52:19,820 Thank you. 991 00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:20,220 Mike? 992 00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:26,000 We will now welcome back 993 00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:28,020 chair of the meeting. 994 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,300 Thank you. 995 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,280 Oh, it's on? 996 00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:47,710 Please 997 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,620 remind me. Welcome 998 00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:55,140 back, Chairman Santiago, sir. It's getting chilly up here. 999 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,299 It's cold. Okay. So we will move on to item seven, staff reports. 1000 00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:08,300 Any reports? 1001 00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:15,790 I have no reports. 1002 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,350 Okay. 1003 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,080 Commissioner reports. Commissioner Webbeck, anything? 1004 00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:24,530 No, no report. Sorry again for being off track with time. 1005 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,020 Commissioner Montek? 1006 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,780 No. I don't have anything. But thank you, Lisa. 1007 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,460 I know you put some time into that, and I appreciate it. 1008 00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:40,600 Lisa, is this your last? You're going through to the end of June, correct? 1009 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,840 End of June, yeah. 1010 00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:42,460 End of June. 1011 00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:42,510 Yeah. 1012 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,120 Okay. So we will see you again. 1013 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,860 Okay. I don't have anything except maybe a future agenda 1014 00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:50,300 item. 1015 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,440 I have nothing to report. 1016 00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:56,040 It's a future agenda item. 1017 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,840 So I don't know if this is sort of off-base, but 1018 00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:04,920 your presentation report on that lot line adjustment, 1019 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,340 maybe think a little bit and wonder if it's 1020 00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:13,400 necessary in our code or if we could maybe adjust it out, 1021 00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:16,180 if there-- unless there's some good pros and cons. 1022 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:16,580 If there's, 1023 00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:18,220 like for the city, 1024 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:20,600 you know, we want to streamline everything. 1025 00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:22,660 We-- that's what we've been working on for many years. 1026 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,120 Yes. 1027 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,540 And so if this would streamline without, 1028 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:27,770 I mean, 1029 00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:30,700 your time tonight, your time, 1030 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,280 even though you might still have to make a report. 1031 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,200 It, it's, um, it is my professional 1032 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,040 opinion that if lot line adjustments, because 1033 00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,080 there are four parcels or fewer, 1034 00:54:45,260 --> 00:54:48,400 if they could be managed by staff in-house, 1035 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,080 the approvals would be substantially faster, and it 1036 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,080 would be, um, less time for the applicant 1037 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,830 and, um- 1038 00:54:59,010 --> 00:55:01,840 Probably less money in that 1039 00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:07,000 occasionally staff time is more expensive than what 1040 00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:09,470 is actually being charged 1041 00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:14,870 with the city fees. So, the 1042 00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:17,809 city engineer still has to review all the documents. 1043 00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:19,470 That doesn't necessarily change. 1044 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:24,390 But the trip to planning commission definitely adds to the time of 1045 00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:24,890 approval. 1046 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:29,710 So I think I hear you say that it would be better. 1047 00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:32,170 That would be my personal opinion. 1048 00:55:33,350 --> 00:55:37,290 But I think there are other people that would probably want to weigh in on 1049 00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:38,150 that as well. 1050 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,430 There's probably other things that you could take into 1051 00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:45,610 consideration that if it was specifically a lot line 1052 00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:49,270 adjustment that was very complicated, or it 1053 00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:52,830 had a number of issues that, 1054 00:55:53,330 --> 00:55:56,730 particularly if access to a parcel 1055 00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:01,150 was in question, or if maybe there was a question if there 1056 00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:05,110 was sufficient utilities to support the lot line 1057 00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:09,090 adjustment, or if the way it was configured might 1058 00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:13,770 actually change the way utilities would be provided. 1059 00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:17,970 Those things might be appropriate for planning 1060 00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:20,110 commission to discuss and resolve. 1061 00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:23,010 But there are ways that you could 1062 00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:28,230 manage the description in your application that 1063 00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:32,670 could provide enough discretionary to choose what 1064 00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:33,150 could be 1065 00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:39,510 managed ministerially by staff, and what 1066 00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:43,070 would be proposed to be sent to planning commission. 1067 00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:45,190 So that's another opportunity. 1068 00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:50,430 Do you feel that that's something that would be wise for us to have on the next 1069 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,610 meeting, or would that be wise for you to leave in your notes- 1070 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:53,130 Yeah 1071 00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:54,190 ... for the next planner? 1072 00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:54,530 Um- 1073 00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:56,310 That's something that we could tackle at a later date. 1074 00:56:57,470 --> 00:57:01,310 I think that would probably be a next planner item, because 1075 00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:04,850 it would be really appropriate to get feedback 1076 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:08,470 from fire and police and from the city engineer, 1077 00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:12,570 and probably from city staff just from a 1078 00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:16,290 perspective of cost and 1079 00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:19,750 what the intent is. 1080 00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:21,950 Is that something you can leave in your notes then? 1081 00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:22,850 Absolutely, yes. 1082 00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:23,349 Thank you. 1083 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,430 I can give some examples from what various different jurisdictions 1084 00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:28,330 do as 1085 00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:29,870 proposals. 1086 00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:31,370 Thank you. 1087 00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:34,960 Anything else? Any other? Meeting 1088 00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:40,570 adjourned. 1089 00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:44,590 Okay.