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We'll call to order the meeting of the Oregon City Council for

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Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026.

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Roll call, please, Jennifer.

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Let the record show we have a quorum with all council members present.

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Okay. We will be going into closed session. Public comments.

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The public will have an opportunity to directly address the legislative body on the

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envelope prior to the council convening into closed session.

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Public comments are generally restricted to three minutes.

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Do I have any public comments?

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There's no one.

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None in the house and none online. Okay.

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We will close the public comments and we will move into

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closed session.

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We will reconvene the Oregon City Council meeting

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for Tuesday, June

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2nd, 2026.

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There is no reported action from the enclosed session.

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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Okay.

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Of course, I'll be happy to. Salute.

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Pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, and to the Republic for

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which it stands. One nation, under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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We move to communication public comments.

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Members of the public wishing to address the council on any items on the agenda may

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do so at this time and will be recognized by the mayor.

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However, no formal action or discussion will be taken unless placed on a future

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agenda. The public is advised to limit discussion to one

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presentation per individual as all not required.

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Please state your name and place of residence for the record.

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Please direct all your comments to the mayor, or vice mayor, not to city staff, nor

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to the audience. Public comments will be limited to three minutes.

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Do I have any public comments tonight?

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Any comments online?

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No.

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No. Okay. Consent calendar. Public comments are limited to three minutes per

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each agenda item designated by the mayor.

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Each speaker is limited to one comment per item with a maximum of three

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minutes. After the public comment period closes, the council will

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proceed with its discussion, and attendees are asked to refrain from

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interruptions or disruptive behavior.

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A, Warrant list payable obligations.

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B, Approve the city council minutes from May 19th, 2026.

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C, Receive and file Parks Commission minutes from April 15th,

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2026. D, Receive and file Library Commission minutes from

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March 9th, 2026. E, the Treasurer's Report for

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May 2026. And F, the City Clerk contract.

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Council,

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public comments.

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No public comments. Council, are we good to move forward or does

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anyone need to delay any of these items?

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Do I have a motion?

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If nobody has any questions, Madam Mayor, I'd like to move to

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approve the items.

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Second.

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Motion made and seconded. All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed? The motion is carried.

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We now have item nine of public hearing for close out of grant number

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20-CDBG-CV1-00079,

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the Oregon Business Assistance Grant in partnership with County of Linn.

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Janet Bacherman, acting City Manager.

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Good evening, Mayor and, uh, council members.

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When you have a grant with CDBG, the Community Development Block Grant, they

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require you to have a public hearing to report on the

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accomplishments that were done with their gift.

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This grant in particular, I happened to have started it,

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it helped some small businesses during the COVID, and it helped them with

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anything they needed to help keep their businesses

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open during the pandemic. And we

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had, I think, what does it say? We had six, I believe.

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We had six businesses, and we still had some more

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money to spend, and County of Linn was doing the same thing, so we kind of had a

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partnership with them. So they

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also took over the grant, I think probably when I left,

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and continued on with it. So that's why there was some money that they

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received to implement those grants.

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don't know if you have any questions.

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Of course, you know, we are opening it for public hearing.

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There's not going to be too much to say other than, like I said, this was to help

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out during COVID. And because of the

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money coming from CDBG, it has to serve a certain

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clientele, and that was small businesses.

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employees or under were eligible for the funds.

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So you can open public hearing.

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Okay. We will open the public hearing.

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Do I have any comments

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online?

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Okay, no comments being heard. We will close the public hearing.

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Do we need any motions or anything?

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Yeah. Go ahead with the motion.

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Yeah, to authorize the acting city mayor, or excuse me, city manager, or designee

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to sign the CDBG closeout package for grant number

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20-CDBG-CV1-007079

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and submit to CDBG.

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All those in favor?

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The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.

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Item 10 is entering

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business. The fiscal year 2026 proposed budget.

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Janet Bacherman. And she kind of went from that on. Acting City Manager again.

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Thank you.

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Good evening. I'd like to introduce Roberto Moreno from RGS

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Strategic Services consultant. He has

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been a tremendous help to us, as most of

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our department heads that are here will let you know.

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I will let him get started with his presentation.

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This is going to be our first

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review of the-... proposed budget, and then it will

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be with corrections or changes or some that will be

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adopted our next meeting on June 16th.

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Thank you.

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Mayor Barr, members of the council.

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Before we begin,

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in

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regards to what

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City Manager Tad Michah had mentioned here,

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I'd like to first of all thank all the department heads, because this budget took a

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lot of effort from everybody. I just crunched the numbers, put them together,

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but everybody in meetings with the department heads, it was

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very clear council wanted a balanced budget.

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So there was a lot of give and take. People started reducing their budgets

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here and there, but that was not going to cut it.

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Half a million dollars does not come out of paper supplies and paper clips and

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those sort of things. So, we're going to go through some of those changes that went

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through here,

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and happy to come back with any other changes that you might

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want. So, let me begin. First, you have the

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staff report, which is a smaller one, and you have all

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the detail. Unfortunately, we just ran out of time to put it all together

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in time. So I'm going to add some more information now, and we can come back with

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even more as you prefer. Here, let me just

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get connected to our

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network here so that I can

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share my screen.

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So if you could

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lend me a hand, we can-

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Cover?

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Hold on one second. Turn the screen off so I'm Carnegie Center,

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or is it something else?

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He set it up.

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Nice.

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He set it up before.

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He set it.

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Let's see.

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Make sure there's no echo. Okay. It is good.

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the PowerPoint that you're seeing is,

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I think you received copies of that, some of that, and some pages that are sent to

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the public. There's a correction.

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There's a PowerPoint that we can go through, and I will fix that.

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So let me first begin

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and then give the

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PowerPoint that I have here. Wait here.

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It promises won't take too long. We'll go over it in as much detail...

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We're going to start with an overview, and then we'll get into as much detail as

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you would like,

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in order to get

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direction from council. So this is the proposed '26, '27.

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So it's proposed at this point, and based on what

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council decides to provide as far as direction.

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So this evening, we're going to go over, I'd like to just go over the proposed

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budget, the numbers that are there.

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Also, have the budget worksheets, which you got.

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They have a lot more detail than they've had in the past.

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This is what the system generates, and we can adjust that

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to a different format, but this is what's typical.

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This is the data that's there. We can go right into that.

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Once we're done, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions, and then at the

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end, looking to receive direction.

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While I'll be going through it, if you do have some questions, by all means, feel

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right. Go ahead and ask me. If the answer's coming up in a different item, I may

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let you ask. If you can hold up, and I'll get to that in a bit.

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So the budget, as shown in your staff report, begins with a, this is

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fund summary. So what we have first is the general funds

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budget summary,

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Measure A, Measure J. The general fund technically all make up the city's

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general fund. So what I want to just highlight here is the fact that

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the general fund, this is beginning balance.

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We're talking about '26, '27 right now.

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So at June, July 1st, 2026, the estimated balance is going to

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be about 533, which is what... It was in the 500,000

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plus range in the '25, '26 budget, and that's where we were

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expected to end up. It looks like we'll probably still be there around

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530. Revenues for next year are about 7.1.

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Those are solid. Appropriations had to be

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adjusted in the general fund

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to a point where we could fit within the estimated revenues, 6.9,

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almost 7 million. So essentially, we do have a surplus of

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162,000, which

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isn't a lot, but still a little bit of surplus.

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And then the ending balance is 695.

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As budgeted, that's about 10%.

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That's on the lower side. Ideally, we'd like to have a higher balance because there

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will be times

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when that may be needed as was in the past.

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You may recall the city has been operating on deficits for the past few years.

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That's why the fund balance has gotten to this point.

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It really can't be allowed to go any lower.

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That's the general fund by itself.

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Fortunately, the city also has the tax measures that were approved.

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First, it was Measure A,

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and then that was increased to Measure J.

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We're still, even though there's technically only one measure as far as people

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paying taxes, we're keeping track of them separately.

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That was the

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thought, since Measure A was for one intended purpose, Measure J had

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another intended purpose, even though they're all

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at council's discretion.

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So Measure A has built up a beginning balance of about

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$1.4 million

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by June 30th, 2026. That just comes about from the fact that

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not every dollar was spent in the past, and some of the money has been set

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aside for specific purposes, and we'll go into that in a little bit.

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The bottom line is that of Measure J, 1.3 million, again, is a

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solid number for revenues. The appropriations is more

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than that, 1.7 million because of two things.

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adjustments in the operating budget funding in order to have a

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surplus in the general fund, but there's also money being set aside

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within that 1.7 million for fire equipment, and there's

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also purchase of vehicles in there.But as you can see, there's still

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an ending balance of 977,000. We'll get into more detail on that one.

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Measure J is actually going to have a beginning balance of

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933, which is higher than we had anticipated.

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And we'll go into more detail on that. Again, the revenues are solid.

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The appropriations

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are more than the revenues because we're anticipating using some of that

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beginning balance for some much needed projects, and

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those priorities can change based on council's direction.

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Among staff, there were some priorities that were picked

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out,

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and as such, we're using up more than the revenue coming in because we're using the

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fund balance, but that still leaves an ending fund balance of

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732,000, which is very good for a tax measure that just started.

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So that's just as a summary

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for Zito, there is an ending fund balance in all of them.

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And the only reason for the operating deficit is because we are using money

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that's there at the beginning of the year.

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special revenue funds, we probably won't spend much time on those.

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We'll be coming back more to the general fund measure of Measure J.

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Special revenue funds are

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basically governed by law as to what can be used for.

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They can only be used for certain things.

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Gas tax is one of them.

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Money is budgeted by the-- given out by the state, and it can only be used for

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street purposes. We have $365,000 budgeted

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to be spent this coming fiscal year, it still will leave a fund

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balance of 755. And then this is one of those where you have to build it up because

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these amounts, same as RMRA SB1, it's the additional sales tax that

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was passed by the voters in SB1. You can't really do a

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project for 223,000. The money has to be built up to have enough

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money to actually do a worthwhile street project. So these, they're built up.

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There is some money to be spent. Again, it can only be used for streets.

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You actually already approved the SB1 projects at, I think the last meeting

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or meeting before that for this coming year.

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Again, those are dictated as to what they can be used for.

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Now, one change, those two are continuous in the past.

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The maintenance assessment districts have always been there.

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They were not included in your budget.

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The council says, as you know, there's, I think about

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18 assessment districts around town.

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Those are based on the tax roll,

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that this will be coming forth in a month or so to be

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approved by you to put those assessments on the tax roll.

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And those assessments also have only specific uses.

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Basically, maintenance of those assessment districts.

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Now in the past, because there's 18 of them, it's hard to track everything.

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Not as much has been charged to them.

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So you can tell it has a beginning balance of 920,000.

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Because it hasn't been fully spent, it has built up.

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This year, we're proposing to actually fully charge those for all the services that

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are provided. What that 102,500 would be

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is

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the maintenance folks working at these districts,

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which hasn't been fully charged in the past.

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This is

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part of the structural changes that we're looking to make to charge those

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districts. There is money collected for that purpose.

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They just have not been fully charged in the past.

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We're looking forward to doing that in the future, and there's still some

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money there because there's also money being signed.

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But every year, there's money being set aside for future

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major repairs, streets, roads, curbs, gutters, those kind of things in those

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districts. So that should be growing, but we should be using up quite a bit more

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than there has been in the past. That reduced the general fund portion of

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maintenance.

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Now, another one that's existed but hasn't been in your budget before is the Arts

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Commission. Now, this one's going to require a little bit more work.

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It's a smaller one, but this one--

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This estimated beginning

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balance is what was projected when we started number crunching, that it would

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be down to about 1,000.

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Donations have started coming in.

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So hopefully, it doesn't look like it'll be down to $1,000.

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Their budget, I presented, was about 17,000.

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So there is no estimated revenues because that depends on

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development. That's where they get building permits.

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They get their revenue and donations.

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So,

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we'll be talking some more to come up with what do they really think they'll get in

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donations for this coming year. And we'll see if we can

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develop an estimate of what building permits will be pulled.

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But right now,

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we don't have that factual figure.

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But just to let you know, there is 17,000 that needs to be funded, and I know

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that's come before the council before in the past, and this will require a little

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bit more work. This is the proposed budget at this point, showing the

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anticipated appropriations. So those are special revenue funds that

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can only be used for these purposes.

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The

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other ones are what's called capital projects funds.

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They can all be used for major improvements. You have two major ones.

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One is the development impact fees, which has about 4.7 million

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built up for all sorts of different things.

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At this point, we don't have any appropriations because we just haven't had a

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chance to figure out what-- staff hasn't figured out what projects can be funded

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with these, because they can also only be used for certain projects.

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You can't just go out and use it to repair the street.

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This is based on the impact that these developments have on the community.

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And so there will be a session coming back later on as projects can be

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identified that these can be used for.

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The other one is the STIP money. There is--

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It's a state grant.

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This matches an expense. I don't recall exactly which project there

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is. It's a street project.

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I'd have to check with Paul, but it might be in the details as to what project.

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But there's one street project. This year, M one

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and a half was done. I forget what the other project is that wasn't

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done, that will be done next year. But the money's there.

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Project needs to take place.

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Again, beyond letting out the contract, there's not much else that council can

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do on this project.Then we get to the

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enterprise funds. This is the part where the city is doing quite well.

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The water, sewer, and industrial sewer, they have healthy beginning

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balances.

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Revenues are more than the appropriations.

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The end balances are good. Just a quick note, your industrial sewer, for

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us, as you look at it, while revenues are not that much, but it's got a sizable

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balance because at some point, some major repairs will have to be

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done to the ponds. That's going to cost money.

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So the money has to build up for that.

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The other ones, while they have healthy fund balances, I would highly

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recommend that they be taken a look at somewhere during the year.

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Are the rates appropriate? Because while you are collecting enough

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to pay for the expenses,

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the repairs that have to take place in water and sewer are very expensive.

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So we need to ensure that

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enough is there for those upcoming expenses down the road.

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But that's water and sewer. That's just the funds in a summary.

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The staff report alluded to some steps that were taken to get to a

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balanced budget. Some of those steps were already

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included in the current year's budget, so the dollar impact doesn't affect this

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year. I didn't put them in here, but that includes an unfunded

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officer position. Right now, it's going to be the CSO,

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lead

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mechanic,

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and a public works supervisor. So public works is down three positions.

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They were already there. They were taken into account in the current year's budget,

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and still we had a deficit. So those positions are not funded

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and were not even included in the preliminary numbers.

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Now, the steps that were taken to try, this is what staff worked on, is to try and

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get a balanced general fund.

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One thing, public works gave up 50,000 of their

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part-time temporary workers. They hired temps at 40 in

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order to accommodate this. That was eliminated.

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And then again, the charges to the maintenance district.

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Let's start charging more. It requires more work on behalf of the

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maintenance guys. Now they've got to track everywhere that they're going.

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And then when payroll is run, everything's got to be charged.

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It's a little bit more work, but it'll help the general fund.

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The other steps, some smaller ones, the library.

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The city manages three county branch

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libraries.

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And so they've been paying for the staff and the books there, but they have to be

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managed.

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So now 3% of the librarian's time is going to be

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charged to each of those branches.

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So they each pay 3% of her time to supervise them.

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That'll generate a little bit more revenue to the city, and then we'll probably

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make sure to take a look at how else can we get more money from the county for

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the services that are being provided.

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So that's just a small... Again, that's an ongoing structural change that we'd like

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to implement, and then others. We're looking at other areas where the city

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could collect more.

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The big one finally came down to we were not making

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enough headway in the

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moving the

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police and fire CalPERS UAL and POB to Measure A.

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So as you can tell, there's 342,500 coming

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out of Measure A for police, and for fire, 20,600.

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That, along with moving some of the UAL and pension

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obligation bonds for streets, library, and

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recreation to Measure J, that amount's

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132,900. That gave us

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$669,000 to help offset a half a million

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deficit that still existed, generating the

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$162,000 surplus that is on the books right now.

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So it's not that the general fund actually is generating a whole bunch more money.

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It's not. We moved some of those

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items over to Measure A and Measure J.

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There were some cuts made

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that I'm sure staff would like to see restored, but the big

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ticket item that we'll probably spend most of the time, and just give you a

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correction on this, on Measure A and Measure J.

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This slide, I

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apologize. It's the wrong one. I'm going to go over the numbers with you.

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This is Measure A and Measure J budgets.

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Let me go into more detail on those, because that is...

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You have a handout, but that's really what

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allows the general fund to be balanced.

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Measure A budget. Oops, let me stop sharing that and

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share the

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budget that

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is before you there.

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Okay, so this,

428
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26-27 proposed. The sales tax, that's a solid number.

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We got it from the sales tax consultants.

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In doing that, they also gave us a new number for 25-26 of

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1.2 million,

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which was originally budgeted at 995,000 for this year when

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it was not a full year. They've increased it.

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It's coming in much better than what had been anticipated.

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So we're talking about 1.3 million in now Measure A money.

436
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Okay, I'm sorry.

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The 1.26 is correct. I got ahead of myself.

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Measure J is the other one I was talking about, but this Measure A is,

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1.526 is the budget as it sits right now.

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The proposed is this other going up by 1.3 million.

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Now, if we look at the appropriations in the past, well, in this current

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fiscal year, there's 627,000, which is increasing to

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667. That's ongoing. That's already taking money that's been done in the

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past, keeping it going there. Now, in this case,

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ongoing new

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is $196,000 of

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new that at this point, we're proposing be ongoing.

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That's 96,000 to cover the cost of animal control, 30,000

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for special departmental supplies, and then increasing the fuel

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budget to 70... Well, all of the fuel budget being moved from the general fund to

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Measure AThose are new ongoing

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costs. I'd recommend that at this point it's subject to council's

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direction, and there is one-time costs of

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342,500.

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This is where the UAL and the pension obligation bonds are.

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This is for one time,

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depending on what council decides.

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The other ones, staff is recommending that they continue on

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in order to try and really improve the budget scenario.

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Then we have the fire department.

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Currently, there's 169,000 in Measure A.

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That's increasing to 474.

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Now, keep in mind for the fire department, that includes 200,000 that's being set

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aside for capital. We're trying to build up because it

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would take the entire

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Measure A portion to be able to buy a fire engine.

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So we have to build it up little by little. The fire department has a plan.

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There's some new ongoing costs that have been moved from the general

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fund to Measure

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A for the fire department. That's 35,700 to try and accommodate the

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general fund. And then there's one-time expenses of 20,600,

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which is the UAL and pension obligation bonds for the

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fire department.

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So that's, fire department then is up to 530.

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The ambulance service,

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it is in this year's budget.

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It's not to be in Measure A next year.

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Next year, it shows up in Measure J.

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So there's nothing in Measure A for the ambulance service for next year.

480
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There's currently 34,000 in the current year's budget for hydrants,

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street hydrants replacement and the like, and that's continued on to next year.

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So you can see the appropriation has went from 1.3 million almost to

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1.7 million.

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Current year has a surplus of 9,000.

485
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For next year, we're looking at a operating surplus-- deficit, no.

486
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Expenses are higher than revenue by 457, but

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in that number,

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want you to keep in mind that that includes 250,000 for two police

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vehicles and 200,000 to be set aside for

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fire equipment. There's no purchase because the FPD set aside,

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whereas the police department is purchasing two vehicles.

492
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There's different ways to look at that deficit.

493
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Of course, we're adding costs that weren't there before, such as the pension and

494
00:27:02,964 --> 00:27:06,424
OPEB, but we're also saving the

495
00:27:06,464 --> 00:27:09,224
150,000 for capital that's this year.

496
00:27:10,284 --> 00:27:13,504
The 200,000 will be ongoing, the purchase of the police vehicles.

497
00:27:13,884 --> 00:27:15,744
We'll see what's needed in the following year.

498
00:27:17,024 --> 00:27:20,704
Now, we're able to do this because, like I said, there

499
00:27:20,944 --> 00:27:24,864
is 1.4 million as the beginning fund balance in Measure A that's built up

500
00:27:24,924 --> 00:27:26,264
since it started.

501
00:27:27,224 --> 00:27:29,964
That means the city will have a balance of

502
00:27:30,104 --> 00:27:33,864
977,000 in Measure A at June

503
00:27:34,024 --> 00:27:36,784
30th, 2027. Now, that

504
00:27:36,794 --> 00:27:40,744
937,000 was primarily spoken for by the

505
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,924
reserve for fire apparatus replacement.

506
00:27:42,933 --> 00:27:45,844
Money has been set aside in that fund balance going forward.

507
00:27:46,244 --> 00:27:49,584
At this point, at June 30th, 2027, we anticipate having

508
00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:53,304
937,000 for the future purchase of a fire

509
00:27:53,364 --> 00:27:57,344
engine, and that actually leaves the 39,000 free and clear

510
00:27:57,404 --> 00:27:58,984
in Measure A for other uses.

511
00:27:59,904 --> 00:28:03,754
But the Measure A budget as presented will alleviate the general fund, pay for

512
00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:06,244
these items, still leave money assigned for a fire engine,

513
00:28:07,104 --> 00:28:09,444
buy the police vehicles this year.

514
00:28:10,024 --> 00:28:13,164
But then everything is tied up in Measure A.

515
00:28:15,044 --> 00:28:16,964
And they'll get a budget certified up to Measure J.

516
00:28:19,384 --> 00:28:20,364
So that's Measure A.

517
00:28:21,184 --> 00:28:22,064
Measure J,

518
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:27,124
which is the other portion of this, again, the revenues are pretty solid,

519
00:28:27,404 --> 00:28:28,424
1.278.

520
00:28:29,344 --> 00:28:33,184
Now, in this case, though, we do have the ambulance

521
00:28:33,844 --> 00:28:37,504
service, the monthly subsidy, and the total

522
00:28:37,544 --> 00:28:40,944
ambulance cost. So 166,000 with Measure

523
00:28:41,044 --> 00:28:44,694
J is proposed for next year to go towards the ambulance

524
00:28:44,744 --> 00:28:47,444
service as services sit right now.

525
00:28:48,014 --> 00:28:51,264
I know there was a discussion last night, which nothing's been decided there yet,

526
00:28:51,344 --> 00:28:54,584
but this is what's in the budget for this coming year to cover that.

527
00:28:55,564 --> 00:28:55,764
Now,

528
00:28:56,604 --> 00:28:59,924
on the streets, there is 150,000 budgeted this year.

529
00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:04,384
That's to be kept ongoing for next year, another 150,000 to street

530
00:29:04,644 --> 00:29:08,004
patching or just repairs, minor repairs.

531
00:29:08,684 --> 00:29:12,544
There is a one-time cost of 26,200 out of Measure J,

532
00:29:12,604 --> 00:29:13,164
which is the

533
00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:16,284
pension OPEB liabilities,

534
00:29:17,604 --> 00:29:21,004
the UAL, the pension obligation bonds for streets.

535
00:29:21,964 --> 00:29:24,304
And because there is money,

536
00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:27,504
this is a one-time thing, but sidewalk repairs.

537
00:29:27,624 --> 00:29:28,664
One of the things we heard is there's

538
00:29:30,584 --> 00:29:33,124
people expecting something to be done with the streets or sidewalks.

539
00:29:33,164 --> 00:29:37,144
There's an entire study that was done that shows where all repairs need to

540
00:29:37,164 --> 00:29:37,764
be done.

541
00:29:38,584 --> 00:29:40,744
Right now, there's 125,000 that's recommended.

542
00:29:40,764 --> 00:29:43,704
It could be more based on what council recommends,

543
00:29:44,024 --> 00:29:47,944
and to start repairing some of the sidewalks around town.

544
00:29:48,644 --> 00:29:51,654
There could be other things. This is all under streets, could also be used for

545
00:29:51,684 --> 00:29:54,384
other projects, but the sidewalks are out there. They've already been surveyed.

546
00:29:55,424 --> 00:29:58,824
We just need authority to go forward, and then public works can begin fixing some

547
00:29:58,844 --> 00:30:02,424
of those sidewalks. The other

548
00:30:02,524 --> 00:30:06,504
department included in Measure J is the library, which in this year's budget

549
00:30:06,564 --> 00:30:08,404
only has 15,500.

550
00:30:10,024 --> 00:30:13,964
For next year, we've moved some of the expenses from the general

551
00:30:14,024 --> 00:30:15,304
fund to

552
00:30:16,624 --> 00:30:17,944
Measure J and also

553
00:30:18,824 --> 00:30:21,284
put some more money aside for

554
00:30:22,424 --> 00:30:26,204
repairs, for some capital set aside to improve the

555
00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:29,844
services to the community from the library.

556
00:30:29,904 --> 00:30:32,644
So it's not just keeping it going, but try to improve those services.

557
00:30:33,424 --> 00:30:36,764
And the one-time costs are the pension,

558
00:30:37,004 --> 00:30:38,884
UAL, and obligation bonds

559
00:30:40,044 --> 00:30:41,314
related to the library

560
00:30:41,884 --> 00:30:45,860
staff.The one that doesn't have any money

561
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,570
in the current year's budget, but is anticipated for this next year, is

562
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,400
recreation. Recreation moved the $55,000

563
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:57,380
of ongoing expenses for recreation over

564
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,400
to Measure J, and also increased it a little bit

565
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
within that $55,000 to add new

566
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,740
recreation programs that they would like to add for the community, and some

567
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,160
additional services that they can provide.

568
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:15,200
And again, the one-time cost is the pension UAL,

569
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:20,080
and pension obligation bonds for recreation staff

570
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:21,860
as a one-time expense this year.

571
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,160
In the swimming pool,

572
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,480
staff moved $31,500 of ongoing costs for the pool

573
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:34,080
chemicals and those sort of things from the general fund to Measure

574
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:37,900
J in order to help, again, alleviate the general fund

575
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,460
deficit.

576
00:31:39,340 --> 00:31:43,220
And there's $35,000 in a one-time cost, which I can't remember what

577
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,000
that is right now.

578
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:49,339
The other big item that was noted in here is the ball field lights

579
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,840
installation. Some of you may recall the city did buy

580
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,120
ball field lights,

581
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,440
but the installing was going to be more than $300,000.

582
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,940
So that part was not done. All the equipment is there.

583
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,700
It can be installed, but it's going to cost about $325,000 to

584
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,360
have new lights that can be better utilized for the ball fields, for sports, and

585
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
the like. It's just there. It's been sitting.

586
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Now, there is funds that could bring that about.

587
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:20,300
So when you add all of these things, that's a $1.4 million,

588
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:24,880
which creates a deficit of $200,000 for this year,

589
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,180
for '27, '28. But you can tell some of it is, there are

590
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,620
costs that are being recommended being moved over.

591
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:34,800
Some are ongoing, some are one-time.

592
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,620
But also, the big-ticket numbers here are the ball field

593
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,860
lights at $325,000, which

594
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,200
the reason this was put in here is because if you look at the ending balance of

595
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,240
June 30, 2022, it's $933,000

596
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:53,640
because only of Measure J,

597
00:32:54,999 --> 00:32:58,420
only $326,000 was budgeted. And when the

598
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:02,460
'25, '26 budget was prepared, staff thought that maybe there might be

599
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:05,720
$950,000 available. It was just a guess.

600
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:11,660
So they budgeted to spend $326,000 just to be very

601
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,280
conservative in case money didn't come in. Now we know it will come in.

602
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:18,340
It's assigned numbers. That means there'll be a surplus in Measure J this year

603
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:23,140
of $938,500, which is the reason staff

604
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,200
is recommending that maybe the ball field lights and things of that nature, the

605
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,460
sidewalk repairs can take place.

606
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:31,880
Tax dollars are being collected, and it would show the community

607
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,990
something for all the tax dollars that they've submitted, that

608
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,860
they are paying for.

609
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:41,729
So that there would still be Measure J with a fund balance of

610
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:45,100
$732,000 at the end of June 30,

611
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:46,180
2027.

612
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,160
Oh. So one thing I forgot to mention, I didn't go down far enough.

613
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:55,330
For Measure J,

614
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,820
without the

615
00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:01,460
one-time adjustments, there will still be a deficit of

616
00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:04,800
$94,200 because some equipment has been purchased.

617
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,370
And without the one-time adjustment and the ongoing

618
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,390
adjustments, it would actually have a surplus of $137,500.

619
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:17,240
That translates into those expenses going back to the general

620
00:34:17,301 --> 00:34:17,640
fund.

621
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:18,801
So

622
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,220
just because I was asked how much of this is one-time versus ongoing.

623
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:27,460
So these deficits exist for two things, because there is large purchases

624
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,841
anticipated to be made, and there is also the

625
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:34,020
UAL and pension obligation funds that are being

626
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,841
recommended to be moved over to Measure A and Measure J in order to

627
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:40,321
accommodate the general fund budget.

628
00:34:42,861 --> 00:34:46,801
One last thing that I was asked about was CalPERS, and I think

629
00:34:46,841 --> 00:34:47,560
you also have a

630
00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:53,111
handout there. With regards to CalPERS, the UAL,

631
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:57,680
which is what we're talking about moving some of those costs, but the city

632
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,539
total is $432,572. So we're not recommending all of it be

633
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,080
moved to Measure J, just the ones that are within the departments

634
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,960
that have been considered, you know, public safety,

635
00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:11,699
library, streets, and recreation.

636
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,660
That is just this year's statement.

637
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,100
You'll see in the balance, the city actually still has a balance of almost $5.4

638
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:23,140
million that it owes in UAL. UAL is the

639
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,560
unfunded accrued liability, and that will continue on

640
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,320
through annual payments going forth.

641
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:32,980
This little printout for you just also shows the cost of the

642
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,760
city and the cost of the employees.

643
00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:36,820
And the UAL

644
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:40,180
has to be paid to the agent the city actually chooses.

645
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,100
This would be the full price. The city will pay it up front on

646
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:47,810
July 1, saving about 4% of this

647
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:51,800
cost by paying it on July 1. Otherwise, we can pay it monthly and you

648
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,540
pay the full cost, which is another 4% more, is the way CalPERS

649
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:56,360
calculates it.

650
00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:59,560
Now that's all the numbers that I'm talking.

651
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:03,020
It's time for me to stop before going to any other... Oh.

652
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:06,310
Sorry. I'm not quite ready to stop talking just yet.

653
00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:08,860
Now that's the Measure A and Measure J.

654
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Now, the other thing I did want

655
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,800
to share with you is that's what's being

656
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,630
recommended for now. Now, let

657
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,240
me share this, finish the PowerPoint

658
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,200
presentation.

659
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,080
So

660
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:40,600
that's what it's taking us to get to the surplus this year.

661
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:44,060
Steps to actually achieve a structurally balanced budget.

662
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,540
Right now-This is balanced by moving things around a little bit.

663
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,250
But going forward, the city really does need a structurally balanced budget where

664
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,120
revenues meet expenditures. So these are

665
00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:55,860
steps that,

666
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,500
at least myself, I would recommend the city take in the long run.

667
00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:02,580
Not right now, because it can't all be done right now.

668
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:02,920
But

669
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:08,640
taking a look at all the services that the city actually

670
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:09,400
provides,

671
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,740
and especially those that are provided to other agencies over time.

672
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,160
The city has provided services to the schools, to

673
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,840
mainly the schools and the county, that have just become part of the city

674
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,440
services, but they could contribute more towards those costs.

675
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,380
And some of those costs are already being looked at.

676
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,320
And then calculating the full cost of those services.

677
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,280
What do they really cost? And then where maybe more can

678
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,260
be contributed. One example is, I believe the police chief is already talking to

679
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,099
the schools about the school resource officer. It started out as a grant.

680
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,260
Grant went away and the city's paying for it, but the officer's still at the

681
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,280
schools. So looking at those sort of things where other

682
00:37:52,340 --> 00:37:56,020
agencies could contribute more. And the big thing is going to be

683
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:58,560
policy decisions on Measure A and J.

684
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:01,240
There's lots of little things that can be done.

685
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:05,800
Measure A and Measure J could be very simple solutions.

686
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:11,510
In the meantime, though, we'd also recommend looking for lower cost services and

687
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:14,380
products. The city pays a lot for insurance

688
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,870
premiums. There's other items, professional

689
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,240
services are big ticket items, too.

690
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,220
So to maybe look around and see if they might be possible.

691
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,660
In some cases, it may not be, but at least the city will have tried.

692
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,400
But all of these things take time and effort that right now nobody has

693
00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:35,620
at this present. And of course, looking at increasing

694
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,280
fees where needed. Not

695
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,380
excessive, but also sometimes the government agencies will go for a long time

696
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,100
without ever increasing fees, and then all of a sudden you have a huge increase and

697
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,640
we're like, "Hey, what's going on?" But the city was considering doing gradual fee

698
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:51,700
increases where needed.

699
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,160
If it's not needed, no reason to.

700
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,439
With all of these things, then we can develop a plan

701
00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,620
for the services that council approves going forward.

702
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,900
At this point, everything can be funded as is with the changes that we mentioned.

703
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,220
If those are not adopted or other changes are made,

704
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,940
then we may have to go back and adjust the services that the city provides to the

705
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:17,240
residents in order to live within the budget.

706
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:21,170
And this is not unique to Orland. Orland is actually doing quite

707
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,740
well. If you follow the news, there's other agencies that are really

708
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,380
hurting. Some have had to do reductions in workforce,

709
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:30,000
other things of that nature.

710
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Fortunately, Orland has Measure A and Measure J, which they have been

711
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,159
used very judiciously. 98%. Therefore, there is money there.

712
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
So with that, then,

713
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,720
leads me to any questions that you might have, and then we can provide some

714
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:49,650
direction on Measure A and J, and then going into the future, any thoughts about

715
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:53,020
that. Be more than happy to answer any additional questions

716
00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:54,500
you might have.

717
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:58,580
Thank you very much.

718
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Awesome.

719
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Public comment.

720
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:04,240
Any questions?

721
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:07,689
Online, no?

722
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:10,030
No.

723
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:13,330
Come on up, please, so that they can hear you online. Thanks.

724
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,760
It's Rebecca from accounts.

725
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,720
Yes.

726
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:22,500
I was just wondering, did you calculate in also the interest rate that was accrued

727
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,920
with the monies that are in the bank?

728
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,080
Yes.

729
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:27,140
Yeah. Thank you.

730
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:30,720
Any other questions?

731
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:33,460
Okay, council.

732
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,160
Don, you want to start off with signing us in?

733
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Berger, for the detailed report. Quick question.

734
00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:43,840
So obviously diesel is through the roof.

735
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,220
I still see plenty of trucks out there, gas well over $4.

736
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,860
Any reason why are we going off of a larger data?

737
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Expected more EVs, I know, in the future.

738
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,600
But it seems to me like we're... Which is good, shoot low,

739
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,440
but I wouldn't say as low as 1.3. Doing my little bit of research

740
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,580
here, you see 4% here, 1.3% there.

741
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,760
Where are we getting those numbers from or is that just something we're getting

742
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:11,300
from the state?

743
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,640
So the sales tax numbers come from HDL.

744
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:17,700
It's a Hinderliter, Dollar and Associates.

745
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,820
It's a company that provides-- They monitor sales tax

746
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,420
throughout the state and then give the city a report on how the city's doing.

747
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:26,680
We had a meeting with them

748
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:30,880
about a month ago or so. They gave us an update.

749
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,300
They said this is what they anticipated will be for next year and

750
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,780
for this year. And actually for the Measure A and Measure J, the news

751
00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:43,200
was good. They actually provided an increase over what they had projected.

752
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:47,230
The general fund won't decrease because it comes at a different--

753
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:50,630
It's taxed just a little bit differently. There was a drop in the general fund.

754
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:51,260
Right.

755
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:55,310
And we asked them about the increase in fuels and they're like, "Well,

756
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,060
at this point it hasn't..." All the data is way behind.

757
00:41:59,940 --> 00:42:03,740
People pay it, by the time it gets to the state and then gets back to us, it's very

758
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:07,660
old. They really couldn't, it would just be a guess

759
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:11,549
at this point. They go off of data exactly how things are going.

760
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,260
So there might be an increase that we can come back with, but at this point,

761
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,210
it'd be you telling us, okay, what-

762
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,420
I think this is more of a year because the ball versus mine.

763
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,700
Yeah.

764
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:25,240
And not to throw the staff under the bus, because I didn't ask them beforehand.

765
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:27,780
I know we get those quarterly payments.

766
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:30,920
Obviously, those will start to be more inductions because of fuel prices being so

767
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,890
high, and I haven't seen a no vacancy sign on a pilot yet, and

768
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,900
people still put a Maverick along. But that is the one shining star.

769
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,980
The one thing I would like to say, and I've stayed all of our time tonight, is that

770
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,080
I cannot thank staff and especially department heads for taking the

771
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,180
leadership role to come up with a

772
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,780
planNot only get it to where I can

773
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,460
understand it, but as we all know, when we passed Measure A,

774
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,960
it was very well known that it could be taken over as a

775
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,790
general fund tax. And a council like this

776
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,810
could easily take it and run with it and do what they want,

777
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:13,240
because it's not a specific tax. But I applaud

778
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:16,420
the department heads for getting together, working as a team.

779
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:19,840
And Humberto, when you've worked with lots of cities, we take for granted what we

780
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,660
have here. We have department heads that all get along, that hang out together.

781
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,620
If the chief needs something, the fire chief needs something, the police chief

782
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,840
needs something, especially now with Measure J.

783
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:33,180
I was happy to see the pool come out, because that was something that we haven't

784
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,680
had the chance due to the previous turmoil we had.

785
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:40,080
But again, I cannot thank you department heads enough for thinking

786
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,060
outside the box, and staff for getting this.

787
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,640
It's way better than when we first looked at it.

788
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,760
And now, sorry to confuse you, Humberto, with the doggone Measure A and J stuff.

789
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:51,160
We didn't come up with the letters.

790
00:43:51,220 --> 00:43:51,320
So,

791
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,500
Madam Mayor, I'm pleased with the budget. Could it be better? Absolutely.

792
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:56,720
Are we where we want to be? No.

793
00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:00,760
But I definitely appreciate the fact that we've been able to

794
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,180
keep us out of a bigger deficit, and I really appreciate the work.

795
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:07,060
Great.

796
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:09,260
Sure. Thank you.

797
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:12,880
Let me just go through the department heads, if I could.

798
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,900
How about now?

799
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,400
Check one, two, one, two.

800
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,040
I'll look right at you when I'm talking, that helps like that.

801
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,360
I'm just going to address our department heads.

802
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:29,160
Let me just start with Jodi, our librarian.

803
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:32,060
Jodi, thank you for being here tonight. Thank you all for being here tonight.

804
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:35,020
If you notice, we have department heads here with us tonight.

805
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,899
I think this is important because I think this was a collaborative.

806
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,680
The decision to pass through some of your costs to those

807
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,720
county library, was that your initiative?

808
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,020
We have a certain budget

809
00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:53,440
set contract with the county for personnel costs.

810
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,010
Okay.

811
00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:57,230
And to be perfectly frank, I thought that was already being

812
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,000
captured. It was kind of discovered that those costs were not already--

813
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,060
But they're actually already budgeted for.

814
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,100
Basically, we just haven't quite captured it in

815
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:08,540
the past.

816
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,560
And we will now.

817
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:09,760
Yes.

818
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:13,640
And with this budget. Thank you. Also, just the idea of

819
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:17,340
moving streets, library, recreation. It talks about library here in Measure J.

820
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,460
You supported that?

821
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:19,840
Moving

822
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,760
library, some funding for Measure J.

823
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:26,080
Yes. Well, we were directed to look at

824
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,720
any general fund costs that we could

825
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:34,460
reduce. And when you look at the library's budget, everybody's, but

826
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,160
a library especially, it's very much mostly personnel for providing

827
00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:41,360
services, utilities, insurance.

828
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,360
There's nothing else for us to move other than

829
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,620
those costs that we did, so.

830
00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:50,100
Sure. And if I could, thank you very much, Jodi. Thank you for parting that.

831
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,520
We have the chief of police here.

832
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,900
I just want to make sure, Chief Laux, that

833
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:56,900
same kind of question.

834
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,350
Leaving the community services office sort of position unfilled,

835
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,049
that initiative come from you as a part of this effort to collaboratively work and

836
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:06,660
make the budget work?

837
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,380
100%.

838
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,980
Okay. Thank you for that. Appreciate that.

839
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,160
I'm going to just take that now if I could.

840
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,640
We're going to go ahead and go to Public Works. Lots of choices made here.

841
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,820
Zach, same question. Did you bring to the table these

842
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:22,980
initiatives?

843
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Yes, I did.

844
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,640
So is there a sense here, kind of see where I'm going with, that

845
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,700
these various departments, Fires here as well.

846
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:35,620
Fire I see here, leading one unfunded lead

847
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,560
mechanic, equipment mechanic position unfunded.

848
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,180
Was that initiative come from you, Chief?

849
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,420
The mechanic position came out of Public Works.

850
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,280
That's out of Public Works. Okay, that's not a fire? Okay.

851
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,520
I just made a note by that.

852
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Do you guys share mechanics? Is that why I might've thought that?

853
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:59,920
Yeah, there's one mechanic that works-

854
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:00,300
Okay

855
00:47:00,380 --> 00:47:03,640
... at the fire department, works on all the emergency service vehicles, all the

856
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,480
police cars, all the fire trucks, and then crosses over and works

857
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,840
on-

858
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:07,930
Got it

859
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:10,060
... part of the fleet for Public Works also.

860
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:13,860
So would it be safe to say that the four of you are working as a team right now to

861
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:14,580
make this work?

862
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,159
Thank you.

863
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:16,800
Yes.

864
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,220
As it should be. And I'm really appreciative of

865
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,320
that. And I think the citizens of Orland should be appreciative of that.

866
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,900
When we don't know what's going on, it's good to know that we have department heads

867
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:31,340
that do, and they're working through it.

868
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,620
I will ask our consultant here that helps us with the finances, Roberto.

869
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,420
Was that your experience in working with these department heads, that they were

870
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,859
working together to come to a solution?

871
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:41,500
Well, certainly.

872
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:46,360
To be quite honest, it was a little bit of a surprise for me because I've worked in

873
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,020
much larger cities and every department has a peak that they're protecting their

874
00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:53,880
own and that's it. And then, the first person that started giving up

875
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:57,760
stuff was Zach. I'm like, "Wow, never seen somebody just being willing to,

876
00:47:57,850 --> 00:48:01,460
'Okay, yeah, we'll eliminate this.'" Because before we got to these big numbers, we

877
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,950
were going through it. It was just like he said, he was giving up small items that

878
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:06,820
they were not doing much of anything.

879
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,260
But everybody working together, the recommendations came

880
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:14,700
for Measure A from police and fire, for Measure J came from

881
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,420
library, streets, and recreation, and even they were giving

882
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,560
me some insight from public safety, because public safety had already

883
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,380
been dealing with Measure A for some time.

884
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,700
So Roberto, you're surprised. Would it be safe, pleasantly so?

885
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:28,190
Oh, definitely.

886
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:29,430
Welcome to Orland.

887
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:34,410
Having been here during austerity measures- ...

888
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:35,450
after the Great Recession,

889
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:39,160
we don't want to go back there, and this is how you avoid it.

890
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:41,790
You work together as a team like these department heads have,

891
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,640
and we're here to support that. I'm here to support that.

892
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,540
So thank you very much for doing that.

893
00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:51,320
I do have some questions for you, Roberto, but again, would you let-- I

894
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:54,570
just want you guys to know I appreciate you, and I appreciate everything you've

895
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,596
been doing. I think I talk about this too-Because I think

896
00:48:59,156 --> 00:49:03,116
we want to trust our government. We want to know that you're doing what's

897
00:49:03,176 --> 00:49:05,796
right, and I think this is an example of that.

898
00:49:06,416 --> 00:49:09,216
So if I could, I do have some questions for you, Roberto.

899
00:49:09,976 --> 00:49:12,916
What's the date of the last city's mandated financial audit?

900
00:49:14,036 --> 00:49:17,576
The last one that's been completed?

901
00:49:18,196 --> 00:49:19,576
That would be the kind I'd be looking for.

902
00:49:19,976 --> 00:49:22,836
Well, June 30th, 2024 is the last one that's been completed.

903
00:49:23,296 --> 00:49:26,416
The next one is June 30th, 2025, which has not been completed yet.

904
00:49:27,036 --> 00:49:30,636
Is there any work being done on a financial audit that's due in

905
00:49:32,276 --> 00:49:32,916
28 days

906
00:49:33,876 --> 00:49:34,556
to your knowledge?

907
00:49:34,596 --> 00:49:37,576
No. Other than trying to get the books straight, no.

908
00:49:37,636 --> 00:49:39,136
Okay. That's what I needed to know.

909
00:49:41,996 --> 00:49:45,096
That's all I have. Thank you all.

910
00:49:48,916 --> 00:49:52,836
So were you guys any bullied into giving up any positions or anything

911
00:49:52,876 --> 00:49:54,996
like that? Because that's different.

912
00:49:55,496 --> 00:49:55,596
No,

913
00:49:56,616 --> 00:50:00,556
just what Wade said. Thank you guys very much for the teamwork that you guys

914
00:50:00,576 --> 00:50:04,496
put in. I know Lydia was going to be here, but she's not, so she's part of the team

915
00:50:04,576 --> 00:50:06,856
as well, so really appreciate it.

916
00:50:07,876 --> 00:50:11,536
Looking forward, like Roberto said, is that if there's any

917
00:50:11,616 --> 00:50:15,596
services that aren't cost-effective, maybe we kind of look ahead and say,

918
00:50:15,926 --> 00:50:19,436
"Maybe we shouldn't be doing this," to save a couple of bucks here and there.

919
00:50:19,836 --> 00:50:20,316
That's all I

920
00:50:21,256 --> 00:50:22,456
have.

921
00:50:24,936 --> 00:50:27,936
Thank you, staff, and thank you, Roberto, for putting together this report.

922
00:50:30,756 --> 00:50:34,056
I like the layout of it, and it was mostly easy to follow.

923
00:50:34,596 --> 00:50:37,436
I'm still concerned about the overall budget.

924
00:50:38,456 --> 00:50:42,066
You say we've got a

925
00:50:42,116 --> 00:50:42,556
surplus.

926
00:50:43,796 --> 00:50:45,036
If I go back to last year

927
00:50:46,496 --> 00:50:46,896
and look at

928
00:50:48,016 --> 00:50:51,366
all the combined columns, general, Measure A, Measure AA, there's a surplus of

929
00:50:51,376 --> 00:50:54,916
about 600,000. If you go to this year, combine them all

930
00:50:54,976 --> 00:50:58,716
together, you're still at a deficit of

931
00:50:59,816 --> 00:51:00,556
like 400,000.

932
00:51:01,696 --> 00:51:02,796
Yeah.

933
00:51:03,216 --> 00:51:03,696
Yeah. And

934
00:51:04,516 --> 00:51:08,316
of course, there are these big-ticket items such as the police cars,

935
00:51:09,326 --> 00:51:09,726
the ballroom

936
00:51:11,276 --> 00:51:11,656
lights,

937
00:51:12,816 --> 00:51:16,786
and I think those are understandable for they've been sitting for a while, and

938
00:51:18,456 --> 00:51:19,176
they need to get done.

939
00:51:20,116 --> 00:51:21,716
But even if you take those away,

940
00:51:22,556 --> 00:51:25,816
it would still be, have it all combined together,

941
00:51:27,656 --> 00:51:31,496
we'd be right at even, let's say,

942
00:51:31,896 --> 00:51:33,456
if you did all that together. So

943
00:51:34,456 --> 00:51:35,916
I'm still a bit concerned about

944
00:51:36,996 --> 00:51:37,256
that.

945
00:51:38,676 --> 00:51:38,876
So

946
00:51:39,716 --> 00:51:42,936
I appreciate what you guys have done in order to get to where we're at.

947
00:51:44,216 --> 00:51:45,036
And I think it's good,

948
00:51:46,576 --> 00:51:50,556
better than before, and I'd be even more concerned if Measure J

949
00:51:50,566 --> 00:51:53,326
had never passed because that's $1.3

950
00:51:53,896 --> 00:51:57,176
million that we wouldn't have and

951
00:51:58,296 --> 00:52:00,096
it will stall some things here.

952
00:52:00,656 --> 00:52:04,396
So please

953
00:52:06,256 --> 00:52:07,156
be careful on

954
00:52:08,056 --> 00:52:11,516
how we spend our money and to set up for,

955
00:52:13,116 --> 00:52:15,316
I guess, the year of '27, '28.

956
00:52:17,296 --> 00:52:20,306
I don't think we have the same luxury of

957
00:52:23,456 --> 00:52:26,976
being able to say at least even within our budget. So, thank you.

958
00:52:27,856 --> 00:52:29,096
Thanks, Adam. Take care of yourself.

959
00:52:29,656 --> 00:52:33,096
Okay. Thank you. I just have a few

960
00:52:33,156 --> 00:52:36,956
questions for you. When you're talking about 4.7 in our

961
00:52:36,996 --> 00:52:40,916
gift fund balance, and that maybe

962
00:52:40,956 --> 00:52:44,776
we can assign that to be accomplishing those

963
00:52:44,836 --> 00:52:46,796
things that we really would like to accomplish,

964
00:52:47,636 --> 00:52:51,616
are those assigned specifically and we can never move them

965
00:52:51,656 --> 00:52:55,256
anywhere? Or as a council, can we take that gift fund

966
00:52:55,456 --> 00:52:58,136
balance and use it for things such as...

967
00:52:58,816 --> 00:53:02,756
Because what I realized is we had been collecting money every

968
00:53:02,836 --> 00:53:05,916
year trying to reserve 200,000 for a public safety building.

969
00:53:06,036 --> 00:53:09,866
The police department is in a very bad way, and we need to do something

970
00:53:09,916 --> 00:53:13,576
about that. Now, that money doesn't appear on here anywhere anymore.

971
00:53:13,715 --> 00:53:17,256
It's gone. The only money we have in reserves now is for a fire engine.

972
00:53:17,876 --> 00:53:18,736
Is that correct?

973
00:53:18,816 --> 00:53:19,076
Yes.

974
00:53:19,536 --> 00:53:23,276
So the 200,000 that we did have a year ago for our

975
00:53:23,336 --> 00:53:26,256
public safety building has been absorbed. It's gone.

976
00:53:27,476 --> 00:53:27,756
Yes.

977
00:53:28,016 --> 00:53:31,426
Okay. So we still have to have a public safety building.

978
00:53:31,676 --> 00:53:35,036
Can we tap into div funds that are already

979
00:53:35,056 --> 00:53:38,746
earmarked for other things so that we can start talking about how to

980
00:53:38,756 --> 00:53:42,316
build a police department that's suitable for the number of

981
00:53:42,356 --> 00:53:45,776
policemen that we have now? Or that's not possible because it's already been

982
00:53:45,916 --> 00:53:47,216
earmarked for other things?

983
00:53:48,016 --> 00:53:49,536
So the development impact fees

984
00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:54,156
can be used for their specific purpose that they were collected.

985
00:53:54,536 --> 00:53:57,036
There's some for streets, some for parks.

986
00:53:57,796 --> 00:54:01,556
I'd have to look and see what's collected for City Hall, but unfortunately, you

987
00:54:01,616 --> 00:54:04,696
can't move them from one to the other. You can borrow them.

988
00:54:05,236 --> 00:54:05,615
Oh, okay.

989
00:54:06,496 --> 00:54:10,316
So as a council, we can't decide, let's move some of that money

990
00:54:10,376 --> 00:54:11,396
from streets-

991
00:54:11,436 --> 00:54:11,446
No

992
00:54:11,446 --> 00:54:12,126
... to

993
00:54:13,016 --> 00:54:16,526
a public safety facility if that's what we need to do to build a police

994
00:54:16,576 --> 00:54:17,136
department.

995
00:54:17,316 --> 00:54:18,026
Yeah. Unfortunately-

996
00:54:18,026 --> 00:54:18,596
We can't do that.

997
00:54:18,796 --> 00:54:18,916
No.

998
00:54:19,296 --> 00:54:22,596
Okay. I'm learning. Okay. That was my first question.

999
00:54:24,836 --> 00:54:28,206
The water tank, it was going to be considerably over budget.

1000
00:54:28,216 --> 00:54:32,076
Is that already accounted for in this, or is that money that's still going

1001
00:54:32,316 --> 00:54:33,856
to have to come up out of this?

1002
00:54:33,866 --> 00:54:36,476
In next year's budget, maybe? That's a project-

1003
00:54:36,506 --> 00:54:39,876
It has been, but all the parts aren't here yet, so I doubt that we've paid for

1004
00:54:39,916 --> 00:54:41,396
anything, or we accounted for it.

1005
00:54:42,956 --> 00:54:46,156
Do we know the answer to that, or do you have to ask Paul?

1006
00:54:46,196 --> 00:54:47,196
I'm sorry, Sam.

1007
00:54:47,216 --> 00:54:49,016
We'd have to contact Walt.

1008
00:54:49,276 --> 00:54:53,136
Paul would be the one. It's just something when we go for this final review

1009
00:54:53,176 --> 00:54:56,516
in two weeks, we probably better check on that because it could throw

1010
00:54:57,376 --> 00:55:00,736
a fly in the ointment with the budget that we currently have proposed.

1011
00:55:00,816 --> 00:55:04,636
I don't know how much we're still short on paying for that because it's not

1012
00:55:04,696 --> 00:55:08,477
done yet.And I know that there's continuing work to try and get all

1013
00:55:08,648 --> 00:55:10,468
the pieces to that finish.

1014
00:55:11,408 --> 00:55:15,228
Okay. So you'll be making that check with Paul Abel or

1015
00:55:15,388 --> 00:55:17,568
Sue Ann or make sure this is absolutely accounted for?

1016
00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:18,978
Jack's going to answer that.

1017
00:55:19,008 --> 00:55:20,108
Oh, you're going to ask.

1018
00:55:20,328 --> 00:55:24,248
We have additional funds that are going towards that tank that were not

1019
00:55:24,288 --> 00:55:27,628
met because it wasn't complete on time, or it's coming out of the water

1020
00:55:28,428 --> 00:55:28,708
fund.

1021
00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:31,508
You're going to pull it out of water, so it's not going to hit this general fund-

1022
00:55:31,788 --> 00:55:32,028
Correct

1023
00:55:32,048 --> 00:55:33,468
... budget that we're trying to create right now.

1024
00:55:33,648 --> 00:55:33,908
Correct.

1025
00:55:34,248 --> 00:55:37,108
Okay. As long as that's been accounted for.

1026
00:55:38,387 --> 00:55:42,278
The only thing, the concerning thing with this is you said that after

1027
00:55:42,368 --> 00:55:44,988
all funds are depleted, the General A and J,

1028
00:55:45,828 --> 00:55:49,428
we have potentially 165,000. Is that correct?

1029
00:55:49,868 --> 00:55:53,528
That is in the black this year. We're not in the red.

1030
00:55:54,048 --> 00:55:55,138
We're in the black, correct?

1031
00:55:55,717 --> 00:55:57,708
The general fund would be-

1032
00:55:58,448 --> 00:56:01,528
Which includes A and J, the way that you've presented this.

1033
00:56:01,668 --> 00:56:02,308
Oh. Okay.

1034
00:56:03,188 --> 00:56:06,628
The third was, is actually

1035
00:56:06,668 --> 00:56:10,468
all of them combined is a deficit of half a million, but that's because we're

1036
00:56:10,568 --> 00:56:11,928
using some of the fund balance-

1037
00:56:12,288 --> 00:56:12,988
Right. The fund balance

1038
00:56:13,008 --> 00:56:14,908
... money before they imported it.

1039
00:56:14,968 --> 00:56:18,667
So the deficit is half a million. So we are using A and

1040
00:56:18,728 --> 00:56:19,388
J funds.

1041
00:56:20,768 --> 00:56:21,448
Yes, correct.

1042
00:56:21,948 --> 00:56:22,688
Okay. So

1043
00:56:23,828 --> 00:56:25,948
my concern is our reserves are down.

1044
00:56:27,048 --> 00:56:30,848
Start with this, although we have A and J reserves that are being

1045
00:56:30,908 --> 00:56:33,668
called A and J, they're just being called part of the general fund.

1046
00:56:34,788 --> 00:56:38,688
So are we actually in a place where we're going to begin building that

1047
00:56:38,788 --> 00:56:42,308
half a million dollar general fund reserve, or

1048
00:56:42,348 --> 00:56:44,848
we're depleting everything a little bit further?

1049
00:56:44,888 --> 00:56:47,658
It just doesn't look that way the way it's been assigned.

1050
00:56:49,188 --> 00:56:50,508
We're spending more than we brought in.

1051
00:56:51,768 --> 00:56:55,348
Yes, but I guess maybe I need to give a different presentation because

1052
00:56:55,928 --> 00:56:59,688
the capital assets, the capital big-ticket items that you're

1053
00:56:59,748 --> 00:57:00,628
buying are coming

1054
00:57:01,448 --> 00:57:04,368
not from the current money, but they're coming from money that's already been built

1055
00:57:04,588 --> 00:57:04,708
up-

1056
00:57:05,128 --> 00:57:05,228
Right

1057
00:57:05,238 --> 00:57:06,148
... or it wasn't used.

1058
00:57:06,218 --> 00:57:09,988
Well, I still think it was the assigned money that was for firefighters and for a

1059
00:57:10,028 --> 00:57:13,088
public safety building. It's not like it was just money floating out there.

1060
00:57:13,128 --> 00:57:17,108
That was, those monies were assigned, and now those assignments other than a

1061
00:57:17,148 --> 00:57:20,748
fire truck are gone. We don't have those anymore because we've

1062
00:57:20,788 --> 00:57:23,688
decided to put it all together and use it to

1063
00:57:24,308 --> 00:57:27,248
backstop the general funds, is what we've done here.

1064
00:57:27,808 --> 00:57:31,188
We've backstopped the general fund with A and J funds

1065
00:57:31,908 --> 00:57:34,868
because those monies were intentionally by the previous council

1066
00:57:36,228 --> 00:57:39,188
somewhat left untouched because

1067
00:57:40,588 --> 00:57:43,168
my personal feeling is that's the promise that was made.

1068
00:57:43,828 --> 00:57:47,708
When A and J passed, the promise that was made wasn't we were going to backstop

1069
00:57:47,768 --> 00:57:49,668
the general fund and pension plans.

1070
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:51,128
It was this was to

1071
00:57:52,308 --> 00:57:56,268
make a better place for everyone to live. We have no choice.

1072
00:57:56,428 --> 00:57:58,748
We accumulated $5.4 million

1073
00:58:00,248 --> 00:58:03,518
in pension funds. I don't even know how you do that.

1074
00:58:03,608 --> 00:58:06,448
How many years did it take that we weren't paying our bills, that we

1075
00:58:06,488 --> 00:58:10,108
incurred

1076
00:58:10,208 --> 00:58:11,328
$5.4 million in

1077
00:58:13,028 --> 00:58:16,608
pension fund and the interest that must be accruing on that, I can't even

1078
00:58:16,628 --> 00:58:19,448
imagine. The counters should have been kept up all along.

1079
00:58:20,028 --> 00:58:23,708
We don't have a choice. We have to catch up, or we will

1080
00:58:23,768 --> 00:58:27,688
always be in the red. So yes, you had to do what

1081
00:58:27,728 --> 00:58:31,588
you've done in using A and J for that, but that was not what

1082
00:58:31,628 --> 00:58:34,548
we promised the public when we passed those measures.

1083
00:58:35,508 --> 00:58:39,348
And so yeah, we have to do it, and they've done a great job to do everything they

1084
00:58:39,428 --> 00:58:39,588
can.

1085
00:58:40,588 --> 00:58:43,628
Hard costs are hard costs. You're not going to get a better PG&E bill.

1086
00:58:43,788 --> 00:58:47,258
You're not going to be able to cut so many people that you can operate.

1087
00:58:47,808 --> 00:58:51,658
So we have to do what we have to do. But my concern is that

1088
00:58:51,668 --> 00:58:55,528
we're not developing reserves even with this budget, and we have to.

1089
00:58:55,568 --> 00:58:59,288
We had 3 million three or four years ago, and it's been used

1090
00:58:59,668 --> 00:59:01,508
while we still incurred a

1091
00:59:01,548 --> 00:59:05,108
$5,400,0000 pension deficit.

1092
00:59:06,948 --> 00:59:10,908
We've got to dig deeper somehow, or the real answer is the one that

1093
00:59:10,948 --> 00:59:13,828
we've had this discussion several times over and over.

1094
00:59:13,868 --> 00:59:15,528
We've got to get that annexation going.

1095
00:59:15,588 --> 00:59:19,508
We've got to get more revenue coming in because there's no other way to fix

1096
00:59:19,528 --> 00:59:22,728
this and do the things that we've promised the public we would do.

1097
00:59:23,388 --> 00:59:25,908
So I'm not after you. You've done a phenomenal job.

1098
00:59:26,108 --> 00:59:29,768
And 100 and some pages that I went through every single page

1099
00:59:29,808 --> 00:59:31,968
today to make sure, and there's notes all over.

1100
00:59:31,988 --> 00:59:35,688
I have a lot of pink slips here because I'd love to spend a little more time.

1101
00:59:35,788 --> 00:59:39,488
I'm new at government, and so I fully

1102
00:59:39,508 --> 00:59:43,448
understand financials and profits and losses and where we're spending money

1103
00:59:43,488 --> 00:59:45,668
and where it's-- I have questions about it,

1104
00:59:46,528 --> 00:59:48,108
but I would like to understand more.

1105
00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:51,607
I've been calling City Hall regularly, and they don't have the time for me.

1106
00:59:51,668 --> 00:59:55,548
They've been wonderful, but there's just

1107
00:59:55,628 --> 00:59:59,228
a lot in here. Questions that I have about what I did see, the

1108
00:59:59,288 --> 01:00:02,718
answer, the entries that you have any question marks.

1109
01:00:02,788 --> 01:00:03,118
Oh, yes.

1110
01:00:03,118 --> 01:00:05,097
Just question marks and question marks in there.

1111
01:00:05,258 --> 01:00:07,548
And it's like, okay, what does that mean? Why is there a question mark?

1112
01:00:07,668 --> 01:00:11,648
What do you mean by that? But I guess you did as much as you could

1113
01:00:11,688 --> 01:00:14,128
with the time that you've had left. So thank you so much.

1114
01:00:14,548 --> 01:00:17,608
Thank you, department heads, for everything that you did to get us where we are

1115
01:00:17,668 --> 01:00:19,728
today. You didn't create the problem.

1116
01:00:19,768 --> 01:00:22,668
You're dealing with the problem, and we're all dealing with it.

1117
01:00:22,768 --> 01:00:26,028
And thank you to the public for understanding what we have to do now

1118
01:00:26,988 --> 01:00:30,208
in order to balance this budget. It's not what we want to do, but it's the only

1119
01:00:30,268 --> 01:00:33,068
choice we have left. Okay? Thank you so much.

1120
01:00:33,348 --> 01:00:33,508
Yeah.

1121
01:00:33,688 --> 01:00:34,748
And thank you, Jack.

1122
01:00:35,028 --> 01:00:35,878
Yeah. I think we're good.

1123
01:00:36,228 --> 01:00:36,298
My question-

1124
01:00:36,298 --> 01:00:36,847
Do you have one more thing?

1125
01:00:36,878 --> 01:00:37,768
Answering my question.

1126
01:00:37,808 --> 01:00:38,188
Yeah.

1127
01:00:38,228 --> 01:00:39,068
If I may, just to-

1128
01:00:39,108 --> 01:00:39,188
Yeah

1129
01:00:39,198 --> 01:00:43,158
... clarify a couple of things. Just everybody hears the conversation,

1130
01:00:43,248 --> 01:00:43,388
so-

1131
01:00:43,668 --> 01:00:43,808
Yeah

1132
01:00:44,548 --> 01:00:48,288
... with regards to CalPERS, just looking up, that 5.4 million

1133
01:00:48,568 --> 01:00:52,368
is built up since the city has been in that retirement plan.

1134
01:00:52,508 --> 01:00:54,708
It's not something that happened over the last couple of years.

1135
01:00:55,168 --> 01:00:57,358
It's built up over all these years-

1136
01:00:57,428 --> 01:00:58,188
No, I agree

1137
01:00:58,198 --> 01:00:58,668
... that we've invested.

1138
01:00:59,118 --> 01:01:01,568
That's a lot of money, and how could it-

1139
01:01:02,248 --> 01:01:04,288
That's how CalPERS works

1140
01:01:04,428 --> 01:01:07,308
... and that's why we're having to do what we are today. We have to be in.

1141
01:01:07,508 --> 01:01:08,648
I think he's trying to answer you.

1142
01:01:09,168 --> 01:01:09,948
I think we're right.

1143
01:01:10,788 --> 01:01:13,548
Yeah. So when the city

1144
01:01:14,268 --> 01:01:18,068
gets to the point where it's actually structurally sound and moving forward, and

1145
01:01:18,088 --> 01:01:22,028
actually has surplus, then that issue of CalPERS can start to be

1146
01:01:22,048 --> 01:01:24,348
addressed. There is ways, other ways to go.

1147
01:01:24,508 --> 01:01:28,328
We tried one time, we did pension obligation bonds, was to try to

1148
01:01:28,368 --> 01:01:30,268
reduce the cost price on rents.

1149
01:01:30,488 --> 01:01:30,708
Mm-hmm.

1150
01:01:30,838 --> 01:01:34,208
And it works, but only to a certain degree, because of the way the whole pension

1151
01:01:34,288 --> 01:01:36,108
system works. We'll have to have a

1152
01:01:36,928 --> 01:01:38,008
session at some point-

1153
01:01:38,248 --> 01:01:38,878
Mm-hmm

1154
01:01:38,878 --> 01:01:42,608
... on CalPERS. It is a very complicated system.

1155
01:01:42,628 --> 01:01:45,508
And unfortunately, that is the system throughout the entire state of California,

1156
01:01:45,518 --> 01:01:49,088
and we here have no say so in it, other than to

1157
01:01:49,128 --> 01:01:52,828
pay the amount. So the UAL, that is the required amount

1158
01:01:52,848 --> 01:01:55,328
that needs to be paid.

1159
01:01:55,608 --> 01:01:59,088
So it's going to be on paying for this year, it's not reducing the $5

1160
01:01:59,128 --> 01:02:00,488
million deficit.

1161
01:02:00,808 --> 01:02:01,068
It's-

1162
01:02:01,168 --> 01:02:02,398
It's just keeping us current

1163
01:02:02,628 --> 01:02:04,788
... keeping us current, technically, but it will build up again next year.

1164
01:02:04,868 --> 01:02:08,607
We'll see the numbers. But it's a

1165
01:02:08,628 --> 01:02:12,088
requirement, so it has to be paid. The other thing I just wanted to clarify,

1166
01:02:12,628 --> 01:02:16,308
Measure A and Measure D, we're still keeping track of them separate.

1167
01:02:16,388 --> 01:02:19,968
You alluded to the fact that technically it is all general fund

1168
01:02:20,028 --> 01:02:22,788
money for the sense of council can do whatever it wants with it.

1169
01:02:23,128 --> 01:02:26,568
But we're keeping track of it separate because council has made it very clear that

1170
01:02:26,608 --> 01:02:29,788
commitments have been made for certain things, and that's what...

1171
01:02:29,828 --> 01:02:33,228
Measure A is police, fire, and fire activism,

1172
01:02:33,568 --> 01:02:37,238
streets. Measure D is recreation, library, and record, and

1173
01:02:37,948 --> 01:02:41,108
streets. And again, it's only those costs that were...

1174
01:02:41,808 --> 01:02:45,008
We moved a lot of the costs for operating costs over there.

1175
01:02:45,068 --> 01:02:47,608
At this point, looking to go ongoing, it's

1176
01:02:47,668 --> 01:02:51,598
the UAL, the retirement costs that are, at

1177
01:02:51,648 --> 01:02:54,468
this point, one time in nature, depending on what council wants to do.

1178
01:02:54,528 --> 01:02:58,168
It definitely gives us a balanced budget, time, a little bit of breathing

1179
01:02:58,188 --> 01:03:01,488
room to figure out, okay, how can we do this?

1180
01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:03,058
There could be other costs that could've been moved.

1181
01:03:03,088 --> 01:03:04,988
It's just that those are big-ticket items.

1182
01:03:05,688 --> 01:03:08,748
We went through lots of different line items, and it's just not getting anywhere

1183
01:03:10,048 --> 01:03:10,248
with

1184
01:03:11,508 --> 01:03:13,288
just that one change.

1185
01:03:14,028 --> 01:03:15,748
Like you said, paperclips.

1186
01:03:15,848 --> 01:03:17,358
Yeah. The other thing too with this-

1187
01:03:17,358 --> 01:03:19,767
People think they're tiny, but they never really add up.

1188
01:03:19,808 --> 01:03:21,278
There's only so much you...

1189
01:03:21,808 --> 01:03:21,818
Nothing.

1190
01:03:21,828 --> 01:03:21,898
Yeah.

1191
01:03:22,208 --> 01:03:25,688
Roberto, can you give us a chart of the

1192
01:03:25,728 --> 01:03:27,628
CalPERS payments for the last 10 years-

1193
01:03:28,188 --> 01:03:28,258
Yeah

1194
01:03:28,258 --> 01:03:28,468
... to see

1195
01:03:29,508 --> 01:03:31,008
how it's progressed over time?

1196
01:03:31,708 --> 01:03:33,188
Yeah, no, we can do that.

1197
01:03:33,308 --> 01:03:33,738
I'd like to see it.

1198
01:03:33,738 --> 01:03:34,468
Presentations.

1199
01:03:35,888 --> 01:03:38,248
Now, you work a lot with cities doing this.

1200
01:03:38,348 --> 01:03:42,248
That's why we hired RGS, is because that's what you do.

1201
01:03:43,388 --> 01:03:47,228
Do other cities tend to start this budget process a lot

1202
01:03:47,268 --> 01:03:51,108
earlier and have round table discussions, maybe ad hoc committees or

1203
01:03:51,168 --> 01:03:53,288
anything? Is it usually this is what...

1204
01:03:53,328 --> 01:03:57,208
I've only been on two years, and for two years now it's been just like

1205
01:03:57,268 --> 01:04:01,077
this. Two weeks before we had to sign that budget, we got a bunch of

1206
01:04:01,128 --> 01:04:04,628
numbers. There was a time, really, to

1207
01:04:04,708 --> 01:04:06,968
investigate or to understand most of it.

1208
01:04:07,828 --> 01:04:10,528
We just had to go with the recommendations that were given to us.

1209
01:04:10,548 --> 01:04:14,408
Do other cities start earlier and have a little more interactive process

1210
01:04:14,468 --> 01:04:14,948
on this?

1211
01:04:15,668 --> 01:04:19,328
Yes. You usually want to start your budget process quite a bit earlier,

1212
01:04:20,508 --> 01:04:21,568
but you need the staff,

1213
01:04:22,468 --> 01:04:23,128
city has-

1214
01:04:24,088 --> 01:04:24,248
Yeah

1215
01:04:24,528 --> 01:04:28,448
... not the staff to take the lead on this at this point.

1216
01:04:28,548 --> 01:04:32,288
Hopefully, for next year there will be somebody that can start the budget

1217
01:04:32,328 --> 01:04:34,348
process much earlier. And

1218
01:04:35,768 --> 01:04:38,888
now that we have a little better direction from you then we can develop a better

1219
01:04:38,928 --> 01:04:42,868
budget. But the sad part is just the staff is just not there to do

1220
01:04:42,928 --> 01:04:45,128
all the number crunching that needs to be done.

1221
01:04:45,178 --> 01:04:46,748
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

1222
01:04:48,428 --> 01:04:52,308
Okay. I guess at this point, this is just information until

1223
01:04:52,348 --> 01:04:55,868
next week. Is that correct? There's no motion that we forward with today?

1224
01:04:56,468 --> 01:04:58,448
Not unless if there are any...

1225
01:04:59,278 --> 01:05:02,928
So let me put it this way. The proposed budget would, I feel, okay for this next

1226
01:05:03,048 --> 01:05:07,018
year. We don't want to come back with something later say, "No, that's not going to

1227
01:05:07,088 --> 01:05:10,978
work. We need to get some kind of direction." Do we make any changes

1228
01:05:11,048 --> 01:05:13,938
to this proposed budget? Or are we cleaning room?

1229
01:05:13,948 --> 01:05:14,548
Mr. Chair, if I may.

1230
01:05:14,778 --> 01:05:14,778
Yeah.

1231
01:05:15,368 --> 01:05:17,768
I think we've got our direction. I think you have our direction.

1232
01:05:18,228 --> 01:05:19,808
I think we've seen the team do a good job.

1233
01:05:20,708 --> 01:05:23,948
I think we have what we have, and we move forward from here.

1234
01:05:24,148 --> 01:05:27,488
We're going to look forward. Whatever we didn't do this year or the last two years,

1235
01:05:27,788 --> 01:05:29,008
we can start doing now.

1236
01:05:29,808 --> 01:05:33,628
And I think we've done that. So I would be very comfortable with, at the next

1237
01:05:33,748 --> 01:05:35,768
regular meeting, I believe it's in two weeks from tonight-

1238
01:05:36,208 --> 01:05:36,248
Mm-hmm

1239
01:05:36,258 --> 01:05:37,968
... seeing this budget

1240
01:05:39,188 --> 01:05:41,408
with a final report. And maybe if I could ask,

1241
01:05:43,208 --> 01:05:47,198
there is a lot of detail here. You asked at the very first question, I don't

1242
01:05:47,208 --> 01:05:51,078
know if you want this much detail. Short answer is, I want it available,

1243
01:05:51,768 --> 01:05:54,508
but I want an executive summary to keep it very simple.

1244
01:05:54,588 --> 01:05:58,528
So going forward, I think it would help not only me but the public if we have an

1245
01:05:58,568 --> 01:06:02,548
executive summary pointing out those distinctives that you've made, whatever those

1246
01:06:02,588 --> 01:06:03,008
might be,

1247
01:06:04,368 --> 01:06:06,288
as simply as possible. I just think it'd help us.

1248
01:06:06,748 --> 01:06:06,948
Yeah.

1249
01:06:07,288 --> 01:06:07,788
In two weeks.

1250
01:06:08,688 --> 01:06:09,308
We will do that.

1251
01:06:09,568 --> 01:06:10,748
Thank you. Appreciate it.

1252
01:06:11,448 --> 01:06:11,708
Okay.

1253
01:06:13,068 --> 01:06:13,268
Yes.

1254
01:06:14,328 --> 01:06:17,568
Since I won't be available for the next meeting, I'll go ahead and let council know

1255
01:06:18,148 --> 01:06:21,748
right now that the talks with the school

1256
01:06:21,808 --> 01:06:25,568
district have gone extremely well. We've got a contract hammered out.

1257
01:06:25,608 --> 01:06:29,588
The last thing is what the dollar amount's actually going to be.

1258
01:06:29,628 --> 01:06:30,208
That's today.

1259
01:06:30,268 --> 01:06:34,248
When we get to that point, it'll go to the school board for vote and approval, and

1260
01:06:34,308 --> 01:06:36,848
then it'll come here for vote and approval.

1261
01:06:37,588 --> 01:06:41,298
The good news is that number, wherever it ends up being, is not

1262
01:06:41,348 --> 01:06:45,268
accounted for in this proposed budget, so that will be extra money

1263
01:06:45,308 --> 01:06:47,888
that goes straight to the building up the general fund

1264
01:06:47,968 --> 01:06:49,908
reserve.

1265
01:06:50,028 --> 01:06:54,008
I thought that they took that position off completely, so I thought it was

1266
01:06:54,018 --> 01:06:54,858
subject to resolve.

1267
01:06:54,928 --> 01:06:55,588
They pay us.

1268
01:06:56,528 --> 01:06:57,057
The school-

1269
01:06:57,228 --> 01:07:00,328
The community service officer is unfunded.

1270
01:07:00,868 --> 01:07:02,728
There is still a school resource officer.

1271
01:07:02,788 --> 01:07:03,788
I'm sorry. I thought they were-

1272
01:07:03,908 --> 01:07:05,688
I want to make sure we use correct terminology.

1273
01:07:05,728 --> 01:07:08,988
The position is the community service officer, which is currently

1274
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:09,788
unfilled.

1275
01:07:10,168 --> 01:07:10,448
Right.

1276
01:07:10,528 --> 01:07:12,328
And I'm freezing it for a year.

1277
01:07:12,668 --> 01:07:12,968
Okay.

1278
01:07:13,057 --> 01:07:16,568
And give us also breathing room to see what the budget and the actual

1279
01:07:16,648 --> 01:07:20,388
financials look like next year as we go through this

1280
01:07:20,608 --> 01:07:21,468
process once more.

1281
01:07:21,864 --> 01:07:25,444
Very good. So we will get an officer back in the schools, it sounds like.

1282
01:07:26,364 --> 01:07:26,604
Yes.

1283
01:07:26,864 --> 01:07:27,044
Yeah.

1284
01:07:27,964 --> 01:07:31,304
Well, we already have the officer doing the work.

1285
01:07:31,364 --> 01:07:34,004
We're going to be getting funded for it-

1286
01:07:34,144 --> 01:07:34,484
Okay

1287
01:07:34,544 --> 01:07:35,344
... to some level.

1288
01:07:35,684 --> 01:07:39,004
Okay. Very, very good. Made a turning effort to put that together.

1289
01:07:40,064 --> 01:07:40,424
Great.

1290
01:07:41,224 --> 01:07:45,044
So the other thing that somehow needs to be in this budget, I think, I'll ask

1291
01:07:45,324 --> 01:07:48,884
the council for their thoughts on it, but are we going to try and put something in

1292
01:07:48,924 --> 01:07:49,894
there for the arts council?

1293
01:07:51,584 --> 01:07:54,564
Or is that something that we can have our discretion added in there?

1294
01:07:55,364 --> 01:07:58,204
I think that's a separate item that warrants some additional discussion.

1295
01:07:58,304 --> 01:07:59,264
I think we'd want to hear

1296
01:08:00,664 --> 01:08:03,584
from the council as an agendized item specific to the arts council.

1297
01:08:04,224 --> 01:08:05,004
Actually, that's what I would do.

1298
01:08:05,144 --> 01:08:08,904
Okay, and then the other one that could potentially be an agendized item for

1299
01:08:09,044 --> 01:08:11,104
discussion is continuing to

1300
01:08:12,524 --> 01:08:16,424
do the voucher program for the cats, and seeing what progress has been

1301
01:08:16,464 --> 01:08:17,084
made on that

1302
01:08:18,764 --> 01:08:22,474
front so that we can review whether or not that's something.

1303
01:08:23,025 --> 01:08:23,174
And

1304
01:08:24,164 --> 01:08:27,574
so I believe it was November 7th, I'll have to get the day, of

1305
01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:31,084
2024 that we agreed to put that probably

1306
01:08:31,124 --> 01:08:34,924
5,000 with the counties, which I think they don't have into

1307
01:08:34,985 --> 01:08:37,974
that. And then also, too, we're going to have the EDC meeting.

1308
01:08:39,644 --> 01:08:41,644
No EDC meeting? Never mind. We were going to have one.

1309
01:08:41,884 --> 01:08:42,124
No, we're not.

1310
01:08:42,184 --> 01:08:44,384
That's where we're going to discuss the arts commission and-

1311
01:08:44,924 --> 01:08:47,074
Yes, that came from when I was brought up.

1312
01:08:47,084 --> 01:08:50,144
But I think this time let's get this budget initially first.

1313
01:08:51,284 --> 01:08:54,105
So anyway, that's a whole another discussion there at ad hoc committees, I think,

1314
01:08:54,164 --> 01:08:58,004
on both of those two, bring something to council

1315
01:08:58,344 --> 01:09:01,624
to present further on.

1316
01:09:02,084 --> 01:09:04,324
Okay. Are we good? Anything else?

1317
01:09:05,804 --> 01:09:06,124
Okay.

1318
01:09:06,504 --> 01:09:07,344
Thank you, Roberta.

1319
01:09:07,384 --> 01:09:07,644
Thank you.

1320
01:09:11,424 --> 01:09:14,364
So we are now in the city manager verbal report.

1321
01:09:15,664 --> 01:09:16,344
You're on again.

1322
01:09:16,464 --> 01:09:18,525
Thank you, mayor, council members.

1323
01:09:19,364 --> 01:09:23,105
As directed last meeting, I have begun the city manager

1324
01:09:23,184 --> 01:09:26,905
advertising. I put it into three different places,

1325
01:09:27,324 --> 01:09:29,864
and I also contacted our

1326
01:09:30,824 --> 01:09:34,684
representative at League of Cities, and he's available for

1327
01:09:34,704 --> 01:09:35,744
anything that we need

1328
01:09:37,025 --> 01:09:39,864
so far. So I've been reaching out to him to see if we can

1329
01:09:40,704 --> 01:09:43,485
get an interim or some of the help from them.

1330
01:09:45,264 --> 01:09:49,124
We did get the CalRecycle grant that Paul has been trying

1331
01:09:49,244 --> 01:09:50,124
for our dump,

1332
01:09:51,025 --> 01:09:52,164
750,000.

1333
01:09:52,405 --> 01:09:52,844
Yeah.

1334
01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:55,284
Which is the maximum you can get.

1335
01:09:55,604 --> 01:09:55,684
Yeah.

1336
01:09:55,764 --> 01:09:55,924
So

1337
01:09:56,744 --> 01:09:58,004
however, and Roberta's-

1338
01:09:58,144 --> 01:09:59,194
Still not enough, but-

1339
01:09:59,344 --> 01:09:59,584
No.

1340
01:09:59,864 --> 01:09:59,874
No.

1341
01:09:59,874 --> 01:10:00,904
As Roberta's aware,

1342
01:10:01,884 --> 01:10:03,744
it's probably going to be another two years.

1343
01:10:03,784 --> 01:10:06,924
And so, Paul thought we'd budget the difference.

1344
01:10:07,624 --> 01:10:11,504
You might remember the amount. I'm afraid to say it was a million, but it

1345
01:10:11,524 --> 01:10:12,484
was up there.

1346
01:10:12,724 --> 01:10:14,104
It was 1.2 or something.

1347
01:10:14,164 --> 01:10:15,864
All right. So the difference,

1348
01:10:16,684 --> 01:10:20,664
we will be budgeting that in a two-year increment in the budget

1349
01:10:21,324 --> 01:10:23,884
for not sure when that's coming up.

1350
01:10:24,124 --> 01:10:24,324
Yeah.

1351
01:10:25,004 --> 01:10:28,764
And while we're speaking of grants, Jody also received one for

1352
01:10:29,344 --> 01:10:31,604
Literacy Bridges for 25,000.

1353
01:10:32,464 --> 01:10:36,084
And it's mainly for her to go to be trained to

1354
01:10:37,344 --> 01:10:40,244
help assist people with their computer skills.

1355
01:10:40,464 --> 01:10:41,524
Did I get that right?

1356
01:10:41,664 --> 01:10:43,584
Basic adult and digital literacy, yeah.

1357
01:10:43,764 --> 01:10:47,084
Okay. She's going to Alabama. She's pretty excited about that.

1358
01:10:49,264 --> 01:10:50,824
The chief,

1359
01:10:52,124 --> 01:10:55,304
our chief and I were at the ambulance meeting last night.

1360
01:10:55,764 --> 01:10:59,594
There was good discussion, and so was everybody here, with

1361
01:10:59,624 --> 01:11:00,844
Wade not being there.

1362
01:11:02,124 --> 01:11:04,004
And it was a good presentation.

1363
01:11:05,184 --> 01:11:09,144
There's some information that was out that was really important

1364
01:11:09,224 --> 01:11:12,784
for everybody. But it will go back to an ad hoc committee, and they

1365
01:11:12,824 --> 01:11:16,244
will have some further discussion on what to do about

1366
01:11:16,324 --> 01:11:19,064
our ambulance services and the

1367
01:11:19,764 --> 01:11:23,164
accounting. Our next meeting, of course, we'll do the budget.

1368
01:11:24,044 --> 01:11:27,004
Tranquility Place, which is not Tranquility Place.

1369
01:11:28,764 --> 01:11:32,444
I forget what the place is supposed to be. Point. Tranquility Point.

1370
01:11:33,164 --> 01:11:36,664
They will put on a presentation about their new facilities that they're going to

1371
01:11:36,744 --> 01:11:38,384
have on Mayville Road.

1372
01:11:39,224 --> 01:11:41,684
They'll be coming next week. Our next budget for that.

1373
01:11:42,544 --> 01:11:45,744
As I informed Council Member McDermott,

1374
01:11:46,584 --> 01:11:50,153
the EDA will... The EDC will not be meeting because

1375
01:11:51,804 --> 01:11:55,704
we don't have a staff member that can be there, because it needs to be a city

1376
01:11:55,764 --> 01:11:59,464
manager. But I know they were going to talk

1377
01:11:59,544 --> 01:12:03,364
about the welcome to Orland sign, and we can put that on the

1378
01:12:04,044 --> 01:12:07,504
budget, or the meeting for council either next or

1379
01:12:08,584 --> 01:12:09,924
the first meeting in July.

1380
01:12:11,744 --> 01:12:13,444
I believe that's it, unless you have any questions.

1381
01:12:15,184 --> 01:12:16,064
Very good. Thank you.

1382
01:12:17,994 --> 01:12:18,624
Okay. Any seated?

1383
01:12:19,184 --> 01:12:23,153
The only thing I have is, for attending the meeting last night, I'd

1384
01:12:23,204 --> 01:12:26,584
like to be part of the ad hoc committee, if possible, with John.

1385
01:12:26,904 --> 01:12:28,904
Turn on the microphone. With microphone.

1386
01:12:29,024 --> 01:12:31,304
Very good.

1387
01:12:33,044 --> 01:12:36,223
I understand that the ambulance...

1388
01:12:36,744 --> 01:12:40,124
I think the county is going to make the main decision, and then we have the ad hoc

1389
01:12:40,144 --> 01:12:41,864
committee. I'd still like to see,

1390
01:12:43,104 --> 01:12:46,924
as we had discussed earlier, Darren, to revisit

1391
01:12:46,984 --> 01:12:49,764
the funding website.

1392
01:12:51,824 --> 01:12:53,284
Because the information came out of that

1393
01:12:55,144 --> 01:12:55,584
report

1394
01:12:56,784 --> 01:12:57,144
from

1395
01:12:59,404 --> 01:13:02,164
that services company. So I'd like to see that

1396
01:13:02,544 --> 01:13:03,824
sometime

1397
01:13:04,724 --> 01:13:05,304
soon. Thank you.

1398
01:13:05,694 --> 01:13:07,404
Okay. Anyone into a discussion?

1399
01:13:08,904 --> 01:13:09,564
Have you had a break?

1400
01:13:09,844 --> 01:13:10,444
No report.

1401
01:13:10,944 --> 01:13:11,584
Okay. Don?

1402
01:13:11,664 --> 01:13:12,084
No report.

1403
01:13:12,724 --> 01:13:13,044
Okay.

1404
01:13:14,284 --> 01:13:17,584
I think that we've done enough tonight.

1405
01:13:17,624 --> 01:13:18,364
Thank you all for being

1406
01:13:19,644 --> 01:13:22,124
here. Thank you