We'll call to order the meeting of the Oregon City Council for
Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026.
Roll call, please, Jennifer.
Let the record show we have a quorum with all council members present.
Okay. We will be going into closed session. Public comments.
The public will have an opportunity to directly address the legislative body on the
envelope prior to the council convening into closed session.
Public comments are generally restricted to three minutes.
Do I have any public comments?
There's no one.
None in the house and none online. Okay.
We will close the public comments and we will move into
closed session.
We will reconvene the Oregon City Council meeting
for Tuesday, June
2nd, 2026.
There is no reported action from the enclosed session.
Pledge of Allegiance.
Okay.
Of course, I'll be happy to. Salute.
Pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the Republic for
which it stands. One nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
We move to communication public comments.
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Do I have any public comments tonight?
Any comments online?
No.
No. Okay. Consent calendar. Public comments are limited to three minutes per
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A, Warrant list payable obligations.
B, Approve the city council minutes from May 19th, 2026.
C, Receive and file Parks Commission minutes from April 15th,
2026. D, Receive and file Library Commission minutes from
March 9th, 2026. E, the Treasurer's Report for
May 2026. And F, the City Clerk contract.
Council,
public comments.
No public comments. Council, are we good to move forward or does
anyone need to delay any of these items?
Do I have a motion?
If nobody has any questions, Madam Mayor, I'd like to move to
approve the items.
Second.
Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
Aye.
Opposed? The motion is carried.
We now have item nine of public hearing for close out of grant number
20-CDBG-CV1-00079,
the Oregon Business Assistance Grant in partnership with County of Linn.
Janet Bacherman, acting City Manager.
Good evening, Mayor and, uh, council members.
When you have a grant with CDBG, the Community Development Block Grant, they
require you to have a public hearing to report on the
accomplishments that were done with their gift.
This grant in particular, I happened to have started it,
it helped some small businesses during the COVID, and it helped them with
anything they needed to help keep their businesses
open during the pandemic. And we
had, I think, what does it say? We had six, I believe.
We had six businesses, and we still had some more
money to spend, and County of Linn was doing the same thing, so we kind of had a
partnership with them. So they
also took over the grant, I think probably when I left,
and continued on with it. So that's why there was some money that they
received to implement those grants.
I
don't know if you have any questions.
Of course, you know, we are opening it for public hearing.
There's not going to be too much to say other than, like I said, this was to help
out during COVID. And because of the
money coming from CDBG, it has to serve a certain
clientele, and that was small businesses.
So anything that was five
employees or under were eligible for the funds.
So you can open public hearing.
Okay. We will open the public hearing.
Do I have any comments
online?
Okay, no comments being heard. We will close the public hearing.
Do we need any motions or anything?
Yeah.
Yeah. Go ahead with the motion.
Yeah, to authorize the acting city mayor, or excuse me, city manager, or designee
to sign the CDBG closeout package for grant number
20-CDBG-CV1-007079
and submit to CDBG.
Second.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Opposed?
The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.
Item 10 is entering
business. The fiscal year 2026 proposed budget.
Janet Bacherman. And she kind of went from that on. Acting City Manager again.
Thank you.
Good evening. I'd like to introduce Roberto Moreno from RGS
Strategic Services consultant. He has
been a tremendous help to us, as most of
our department heads that are here will let you know.
I will let him get started with his presentation.
This is going to be our first
review of the-... proposed budget, and then it will
be with corrections or changes or some that will be
adopted our next meeting on June 16th.
Thank you.
Mayor Barr, members of the council.
Before we begin,
in
regards to what
City Manager Tad Michah had mentioned here,
I'd like to first of all thank all the department heads, because this budget took a
lot of effort from everybody. I just crunched the numbers, put them together,
but everybody in meetings with the department heads, it was
very clear council wanted a balanced budget.
So there was a lot of give and take. People started reducing their budgets
here and there, but that was not going to cut it.
Half a million dollars does not come out of paper supplies and paper clips and
those sort of things. So, we're going to go through some of those changes that went
through here,
and happy to come back with any other changes that you might
want. So, let me begin. First, you have the
staff report, which is a smaller one, and you have all
the detail. Unfortunately, we just ran out of time to put it all together
in time. So I'm going to add some more information now, and we can come back with
even more as you prefer. Here, let me just
first
get connected to our
network here so that I can
share my screen.
So if you could
lend me a hand, we can-
Cover?
Hold on one second. Turn the screen off so I'm Carnegie Center,
or is it something else?
He set it up.
Nice.
He set it up before.
He set it.
Let's see.
Make sure there's no echo. Okay. It is good.
So,
and,
the PowerPoint that you're seeing is,
I think you received copies of that, some of that, and some pages that are sent to
the public. There's a correction.
There's a PowerPoint that we can go through, and I will fix that.
So let me first begin
and then give the
PowerPoint that I have here. Wait here.
It promises won't take too long. We'll go over it in as much detail...
We're going to start with an overview, and then we'll get into as much detail as
you would like,
in order to get
direction from council. So this is the proposed '26, '27.
So it's proposed at this point, and based on what
council decides to provide as far as direction.
So this evening, we're going to go over, I'd like to just go over the proposed
budget, the numbers that are there.
Also, have the budget worksheets, which you got.
They have a lot more detail than they've had in the past.
This is what the system generates, and we can adjust that
to a different format, but this is what's typical.
This is the data that's there. We can go right into that.
Once we're done, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions, and then at the
end, looking to receive direction.
While I'll be going through it, if you do have some questions, by all means, feel
right. Go ahead and ask me. If the answer's coming up in a different item, I may
let you ask. If you can hold up, and I'll get to that in a bit.
So the budget, as shown in your staff report, begins with a, this is
a
fund summary. So what we have first is the general funds
budget summary,
Measure A, Measure J. The general fund technically all make up the city's
general fund. So what I want to just highlight here is the fact that
the general fund, this is beginning balance.
We're talking about '26, '27 right now.
So at June, July 1st, 2026, the estimated balance is going to
be about 533, which is what... It was in the 500,000
plus range in the '25, '26 budget, and that's where we were
expected to end up. It looks like we'll probably still be there around
530. Revenues for next year are about 7.1.
Those are solid. Appropriations had to be
adjusted in the general fund
to a point where we could fit within the estimated revenues, 6.9,
almost 7 million. So essentially, we do have a surplus of
162,000, which
isn't a lot, but still a little bit of surplus.
And then the ending balance is 695.
As budgeted, that's about 10%.
That's on the lower side. Ideally, we'd like to have a higher balance because there
will be times
when that may be needed as was in the past.
You may recall the city has been operating on deficits for the past few years.
That's why the fund balance has gotten to this point.
It really can't be allowed to go any lower.
That's the general fund by itself.
Fortunately, the city also has the tax measures that were approved.
First, it was Measure A,
and then that was increased to Measure J.
We're still, even though there's technically only one measure as far as people
paying taxes, we're keeping track of them separately.
That was the
thought, since Measure A was for one intended purpose, Measure J had
another intended purpose, even though they're all
at council's discretion.
So Measure A has built up a beginning balance of about
$1.4 million
by June 30th, 2026. That just comes about from the fact that
not every dollar was spent in the past, and some of the money has been set
aside for specific purposes, and we'll go into that in a little bit.
The bottom line is that of Measure J, 1.3 million, again, is a
solid number for revenues. The appropriations is more
than that, 1.7 million because of two things.
One is some
adjustments in the operating budget funding in order to have a
surplus in the general fund, but there's also money being set aside
within that 1.7 million for fire equipment, and there's
also purchase of vehicles in there.But as you can see, there's still
an ending balance of 977,000. We'll get into more detail on that one.
Measure J is actually going to have a beginning balance of
933, which is higher than we had anticipated.
And we'll go into more detail on that. Again, the revenues are solid.
The appropriations
are more than the revenues because we're anticipating using some of that
beginning balance for some much needed projects, and
those priorities can change based on council's direction.
Among staff, there were some priorities that were picked
out,
and as such, we're using up more than the revenue coming in because we're using the
fund balance, but that still leaves an ending fund balance of
732,000, which is very good for a tax measure that just started.
So that's just as a summary
for Zito, there is an ending fund balance in all of them.
And the only reason for the operating deficit is because we are using money
that's there at the beginning of the year.
Now, the
special revenue funds, we probably won't spend much time on those.
We'll be coming back more to the general fund measure of Measure J.
Special revenue funds are
basically governed by law as to what can be used for.
They can only be used for certain things.
Gas tax is one of them.
Money is budgeted by the-- given out by the state, and it can only be used for
street purposes. We have $365,000 budgeted
to be spent this coming fiscal year, it still will leave a fund
balance of 755. And then this is one of those where you have to build it up because
these amounts, same as RMRA SB1, it's the additional sales tax that
was passed by the voters in SB1. You can't really do a
project for 223,000. The money has to be built up to have enough
money to actually do a worthwhile street project. So these, they're built up.
There is some money to be spent. Again, it can only be used for streets.
You actually already approved the SB1 projects at, I think the last meeting
or meeting before that for this coming year.
Again, those are dictated as to what they can be used for.
Now, one change, those two are continuous in the past.
The maintenance assessment districts have always been there.
They were not included in your budget.
The council says, as you know, there's, I think about
18 assessment districts around town.
Those are based on the tax roll,
that this will be coming forth in a month or so to be
approved by you to put those assessments on the tax roll.
And those assessments also have only specific uses.
Basically, maintenance of those assessment districts.
Now in the past, because there's 18 of them, it's hard to track everything.
Not as much has been charged to them.
So you can tell it has a beginning balance of 920,000.
Because it hasn't been fully spent, it has built up.
This year, we're proposing to actually fully charge those for all the services that
are provided. What that 102,500 would be
is
the maintenance folks working at these districts,
which hasn't been fully charged in the past.
This is
part of the structural changes that we're looking to make to charge those
districts. There is money collected for that purpose.
They just have not been fully charged in the past.
We're looking forward to doing that in the future, and there's still some
money there because there's also money being signed.
But every year, there's money being set aside for future
major repairs, streets, roads, curbs, gutters, those kind of things in those
districts. So that should be growing, but we should be using up quite a bit more
than there has been in the past. That reduced the general fund portion of
maintenance.
Now, another one that's existed but hasn't been in your budget before is the Arts
Commission. Now, this one's going to require a little bit more work.
It's a smaller one, but this one--
This estimated beginning
balance is what was projected when we started number crunching, that it would
be down to about 1,000.
Donations have started coming in.
So hopefully, it doesn't look like it'll be down to $1,000.
Their budget, I presented, was about 17,000.
So there is no estimated revenues because that depends on
development. That's where they get building permits.
They get their revenue and donations.
So,
we'll be talking some more to come up with what do they really think they'll get in
donations for this coming year. And we'll see if we can
develop an estimate of what building permits will be pulled.
But right now,
we don't have that factual figure.
But just to let you know, there is 17,000 that needs to be funded, and I know
that's come before the council before in the past, and this will require a little
bit more work. This is the proposed budget at this point, showing the
anticipated appropriations. So those are special revenue funds that
can only be used for these purposes.
The
other ones are what's called capital projects funds.
They can all be used for major improvements. You have two major ones.
One is the development impact fees, which has about 4.7 million
built up for all sorts of different things.
At this point, we don't have any appropriations because we just haven't had a
chance to figure out what-- staff hasn't figured out what projects can be funded
with these, because they can also only be used for certain projects.
You can't just go out and use it to repair the street.
This is based on the impact that these developments have on the community.
And so there will be a session coming back later on as projects can be
identified that these can be used for.
The other one is the STIP money. There is--
It's a state grant.
This matches an expense. I don't recall exactly which project there
is. It's a street project.
I'd have to check with Paul, but it might be in the details as to what project.
But there's one street project. This year, M one
and a half was done. I forget what the other project is that wasn't
done, that will be done next year. But the money's there.
Project needs to take place.
Again, beyond letting out the contract, there's not much else that council can
do on this project.Then we get to the
enterprise funds. This is the part where the city is doing quite well.
The water, sewer, and industrial sewer, they have healthy beginning
balances.
Revenues are more than the appropriations.
The end balances are good. Just a quick note, your industrial sewer, for
us, as you look at it, while revenues are not that much, but it's got a sizable
balance because at some point, some major repairs will have to be
done to the ponds. That's going to cost money.
So the money has to build up for that.
The other ones, while they have healthy fund balances, I would highly
recommend that they be taken a look at somewhere during the year.
Are the rates appropriate? Because while you are collecting enough
to pay for the expenses,
the repairs that have to take place in water and sewer are very expensive.
So we need to ensure that
enough is there for those upcoming expenses down the road.
But that's water and sewer. That's just the funds in a summary.
The staff report alluded to some steps that were taken to get to a
balanced budget. Some of those steps were already
included in the current year's budget, so the dollar impact doesn't affect this
year. I didn't put them in here, but that includes an unfunded
officer position. Right now, it's going to be the CSO,
lead
mechanic,
and a public works supervisor. So public works is down three positions.
They were already there. They were taken into account in the current year's budget,
and still we had a deficit. So those positions are not funded
and were not even included in the preliminary numbers.
Now, the steps that were taken to try, this is what staff worked on, is to try and
get a balanced general fund.
One thing, public works gave up 50,000 of their
part-time temporary workers. They hired temps at 40 in
order to accommodate this. That was eliminated.
And then again, the charges to the maintenance district.
Let's start charging more. It requires more work on behalf of the
maintenance guys. Now they've got to track everywhere that they're going.
And then when payroll is run, everything's got to be charged.
It's a little bit more work, but it'll help the general fund.
The other steps, some smaller ones, the library.
The city manages three county branch
libraries.
And so they've been paying for the staff and the books there, but they have to be
managed.
So now 3% of the librarian's time is going to be
charged to each of those branches.
So they each pay 3% of her time to supervise them.
That'll generate a little bit more revenue to the city, and then we'll probably
make sure to take a look at how else can we get more money from the county for
the services that are being provided.
So that's just a small... Again, that's an ongoing structural change that we'd like
to implement, and then others. We're looking at other areas where the city
could collect more.
The big one finally came down to we were not making
enough headway in the
moving the
police and fire CalPERS UAL and POB to Measure A.
So as you can tell, there's 342,500 coming
out of Measure A for police, and for fire, 20,600.
That, along with moving some of the UAL and pension
obligation bonds for streets, library, and
recreation to Measure J, that amount's
132,900. That gave us
$669,000 to help offset a half a million
deficit that still existed, generating the
$162,000 surplus that is on the books right now.
So it's not that the general fund actually is generating a whole bunch more money.
It's not. We moved some of those
items over to Measure A and Measure J.
There were some cuts made
that I'm sure staff would like to see restored, but the big
ticket item that we'll probably spend most of the time, and just give you a
correction on this, on Measure A and Measure J.
This slide, I
apologize. It's the wrong one. I'm going to go over the numbers with you.
This is Measure A and Measure J budgets.
Let me go into more detail on those, because that is...
You have a handout, but that's really what
allows the general fund to be balanced.
Measure A budget. Oops, let me stop sharing that and
share the
budget that
is before you there.
Okay, so this,
26-27 proposed. The sales tax, that's a solid number.
We got it from the sales tax consultants.
In doing that, they also gave us a new number for 25-26 of
1.2 million,
which was originally budgeted at 995,000 for this year when
it was not a full year. They've increased it.
It's coming in much better than what had been anticipated.
So we're talking about 1.3 million in now Measure A money.
Okay, I'm sorry.
The 1.26 is correct. I got ahead of myself.
Measure J is the other one I was talking about, but this Measure A is,
1.526 is the budget as it sits right now.
The proposed is this other going up by 1.3 million.
Now, if we look at the appropriations in the past, well, in this current
fiscal year, there's 627,000, which is increasing to
667. That's ongoing. That's already taking money that's been done in the
past, keeping it going there. Now, in this case,
ongoing new
is $196,000 of
new that at this point, we're proposing be ongoing.
That's 96,000 to cover the cost of animal control, 30,000
for special departmental supplies, and then increasing the fuel
budget to 70... Well, all of the fuel budget being moved from the general fund to
Measure AThose are new ongoing
costs. I'd recommend that at this point it's subject to council's
direction, and there is one-time costs of
342,500.
This is where the UAL and the pension obligation bonds are.
This is for one time,
depending on what council decides.
The other ones, staff is recommending that they continue on
in order to try and really improve the budget scenario.
Then we have the fire department.
Currently, there's 169,000 in Measure A.
That's increasing to 474.
Now, keep in mind for the fire department, that includes 200,000 that's being set
aside for capital. We're trying to build up because it
would take the entire
Measure A portion to be able to buy a fire engine.
So we have to build it up little by little. The fire department has a plan.
There's some new ongoing costs that have been moved from the general
fund to Measure
A for the fire department. That's 35,700 to try and accommodate the
general fund. And then there's one-time expenses of 20,600,
which is the UAL and pension obligation bonds for the
fire department.
So that's, fire department then is up to 530.
The ambulance service,
it is in this year's budget.
It's not to be in Measure A next year.
Next year, it shows up in Measure J.
So there's nothing in Measure A for the ambulance service for next year.
There's currently 34,000 in the current year's budget for hydrants,
street hydrants replacement and the like, and that's continued on to next year.
So you can see the appropriation has went from 1.3 million almost to
1.7 million.
Current year has a surplus of 9,000.
For next year, we're looking at a operating surplus-- deficit, no.
Expenses are higher than revenue by 457, but
in that number,
want you to keep in mind that that includes 250,000 for two police
vehicles and 200,000 to be set aside for
fire equipment. There's no purchase because the FPD set aside,
whereas the police department is purchasing two vehicles.
There's different ways to look at that deficit.
Of course, we're adding costs that weren't there before, such as the pension and
OPEB, but we're also saving the
150,000 for capital that's this year.
The 200,000 will be ongoing, the purchase of the police vehicles.
We'll see what's needed in the following year.
Now, we're able to do this because, like I said, there
is 1.4 million as the beginning fund balance in Measure A that's built up
since it started.
That means the city will have a balance of
977,000 in Measure A at June
30th, 2027. Now, that
937,000 was primarily spoken for by the
reserve for fire apparatus replacement.
Money has been set aside in that fund balance going forward.
At this point, at June 30th, 2027, we anticipate having
937,000 for the future purchase of a fire
engine, and that actually leaves the 39,000 free and clear
in Measure A for other uses.
But the Measure A budget as presented will alleviate the general fund, pay for
these items, still leave money assigned for a fire engine,
buy the police vehicles this year.
But then everything is tied up in Measure A.
And they'll get a budget certified up to Measure J.
So that's Measure A.
Measure J,
which is the other portion of this, again, the revenues are pretty solid,
1.278.
Now, in this case, though, we do have the ambulance
service, the monthly subsidy, and the total
ambulance cost. So 166,000 with Measure
J is proposed for next year to go towards the ambulance
service as services sit right now.
I know there was a discussion last night, which nothing's been decided there yet,
but this is what's in the budget for this coming year to cover that.
Now,
on the streets, there is 150,000 budgeted this year.
That's to be kept ongoing for next year, another 150,000 to street
patching or just repairs, minor repairs.
There is a one-time cost of 26,200 out of Measure J,
which is the
pension OPEB liabilities,
the UAL, the pension obligation bonds for streets.
And because there is money,
this is a one-time thing, but sidewalk repairs.
One of the things we heard is there's
people expecting something to be done with the streets or sidewalks.
There's an entire study that was done that shows where all repairs need to
be done.
Right now, there's 125,000 that's recommended.
It could be more based on what council recommends,
and to start repairing some of the sidewalks around town.
There could be other things. This is all under streets, could also be used for
other projects, but the sidewalks are out there. They've already been surveyed.
We just need authority to go forward, and then public works can begin fixing some
of those sidewalks. The other
department included in Measure J is the library, which in this year's budget
only has 15,500.
For next year, we've moved some of the expenses from the general
fund to
Measure J and also
put some more money aside for
repairs, for some capital set aside to improve the
services to the community from the library.
So it's not just keeping it going, but try to improve those services.
And the one-time costs are the pension,
UAL, and obligation bonds
related to the library
staff.The one that doesn't have any money
in the current year's budget, but is anticipated for this next year, is
recreation. Recreation moved the $55,000
of ongoing expenses for recreation over
to Measure J, and also increased it a little bit
within that $55,000 to add new
recreation programs that they would like to add for the community, and some
additional services that they can provide.
And again, the one-time cost is the pension UAL,
and pension obligation bonds for recreation staff
as a one-time expense this year.
In the swimming pool,
staff moved $31,500 of ongoing costs for the pool
chemicals and those sort of things from the general fund to Measure
J in order to help, again, alleviate the general fund
deficit.
And there's $35,000 in a one-time cost, which I can't remember what
that is right now.
The other big item that was noted in here is the ball field lights
installation. Some of you may recall the city did buy
ball field lights,
but the installing was going to be more than $300,000.
So that part was not done. All the equipment is there.
It can be installed, but it's going to cost about $325,000 to
have new lights that can be better utilized for the ball fields, for sports, and
the like. It's just there. It's been sitting.
Now, there is funds that could bring that about.
So when you add all of these things, that's a $1.4 million,
which creates a deficit of $200,000 for this year,
for '27, '28. But you can tell some of it is, there are
costs that are being recommended being moved over.
Some are ongoing, some are one-time.
But also, the big-ticket numbers here are the ball field
lights at $325,000, which
the reason this was put in here is because if you look at the ending balance of
June 30, 2022, it's $933,000
because only of Measure J,
only $326,000 was budgeted. And when the
'25, '26 budget was prepared, staff thought that maybe there might be
$950,000 available. It was just a guess.
So they budgeted to spend $326,000 just to be very
conservative in case money didn't come in. Now we know it will come in.
It's assigned numbers. That means there'll be a surplus in Measure J this year
of $938,500, which is the reason staff
is recommending that maybe the ball field lights and things of that nature, the
sidewalk repairs can take place.
Tax dollars are being collected, and it would show the community
something for all the tax dollars that they've submitted, that
they are paying for.
So that there would still be Measure J with a fund balance of
$732,000 at the end of June 30,
2027.
Oh. So one thing I forgot to mention, I didn't go down far enough.
For Measure J,
without the
one-time adjustments, there will still be a deficit of
$94,200 because some equipment has been purchased.
And without the one-time adjustment and the ongoing
adjustments, it would actually have a surplus of $137,500.
That translates into those expenses going back to the general
fund.
So
just because I was asked how much of this is one-time versus ongoing.
So these deficits exist for two things, because there is large purchases
anticipated to be made, and there is also the
UAL and pension obligation funds that are being
recommended to be moved over to Measure A and Measure J in order to
accommodate the general fund budget.
One last thing that I was asked about was CalPERS, and I think
you also have a
handout there. With regards to CalPERS, the UAL,
which is what we're talking about moving some of those costs, but the city
total is $432,572. So we're not recommending all of it be
moved to Measure J, just the ones that are within the departments
that have been considered, you know, public safety,
library, streets, and recreation.
That is just this year's statement.
You'll see in the balance, the city actually still has a balance of almost $5.4
million that it owes in UAL. UAL is the
unfunded accrued liability, and that will continue on
through annual payments going forth.
This little printout for you just also shows the cost of the
city and the cost of the employees.
And the UAL
has to be paid to the agent the city actually chooses.
This would be the full price. The city will pay it up front on
July 1, saving about 4% of this
cost by paying it on July 1. Otherwise, we can pay it monthly and you
pay the full cost, which is another 4% more, is the way CalPERS
calculates it.
Now that's all the numbers that I'm talking.
It's time for me to stop before going to any other... Oh.
Sorry. I'm not quite ready to stop talking just yet.
Now that's the Measure A and Measure J.
Now, the other thing I did want
to share with you is that's what's being
recommended for now. Now, let
me share this, finish the PowerPoint
presentation.
So
that's what it's taking us to get to the surplus this year.
Steps to actually achieve a structurally balanced budget.
Right now-This is balanced by moving things around a little bit.
But going forward, the city really does need a structurally balanced budget where
revenues meet expenditures. So these are
steps that,
at least myself, I would recommend the city take in the long run.
Not right now, because it can't all be done right now.
But
taking a look at all the services that the city actually
provides,
and especially those that are provided to other agencies over time.
The city has provided services to the schools, to
mainly the schools and the county, that have just become part of the city
services, but they could contribute more towards those costs.
And some of those costs are already being looked at.
And then calculating the full cost of those services.
What do they really cost? And then where maybe more can
be contributed. One example is, I believe the police chief is already talking to
the schools about the school resource officer. It started out as a grant.
Grant went away and the city's paying for it, but the officer's still at the
schools. So looking at those sort of things where other
agencies could contribute more. And the big thing is going to be
policy decisions on Measure A and J.
There's lots of little things that can be done.
Measure A and Measure J could be very simple solutions.
In the meantime, though, we'd also recommend looking for lower cost services and
products. The city pays a lot for insurance
premiums. There's other items, professional
services are big ticket items, too.
So to maybe look around and see if they might be possible.
In some cases, it may not be, but at least the city will have tried.
But all of these things take time and effort that right now nobody has
at this present. And of course, looking at increasing
fees where needed. Not
excessive, but also sometimes the government agencies will go for a long time
without ever increasing fees, and then all of a sudden you have a huge increase and
we're like, "Hey, what's going on?" But the city was considering doing gradual fee
increases where needed.
If it's not needed, no reason to.
With all of these things, then we can develop a plan
for the services that council approves going forward.
At this point, everything can be funded as is with the changes that we mentioned.
If those are not adopted or other changes are made,
then we may have to go back and adjust the services that the city provides to the
residents in order to live within the budget.
And this is not unique to Orland. Orland is actually doing quite
well. If you follow the news, there's other agencies that are really
hurting. Some have had to do reductions in workforce,
other things of that nature.
Fortunately, Orland has Measure A and Measure J, which they have been
used very judiciously. 98%. Therefore, there is money there.
So with that, then,
leads me to any questions that you might have, and then we can provide some
direction on Measure A and J, and then going into the future, any thoughts about
that. Be more than happy to answer any additional questions
you might have.
Thank you very much.
Awesome.
Public comment.
Any questions?
Online, no?
No.
Come on up, please, so that they can hear you online. Thanks.
It's Rebecca from accounts.
Yes.
I was just wondering, did you calculate in also the interest rate that was accrued
with the monies that are in the bank?
Yes.
Yeah. Thank you.
Any other questions?
Okay, council.
Don, you want to start off with signing us in?
Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Berger, for the detailed report. Quick question.
So obviously diesel is through the roof.
I still see plenty of trucks out there, gas well over $4.
Any reason why are we going off of a larger data?
Expected more EVs, I know, in the future.
But it seems to me like we're... Which is good, shoot low,
but I wouldn't say as low as 1.3. Doing my little bit of research
here, you see 4% here, 1.3% there.
Where are we getting those numbers from or is that just something we're getting
from the state?
So the sales tax numbers come from HDL.
It's a Hinderliter, Dollar and Associates.
It's a company that provides-- They monitor sales tax
throughout the state and then give the city a report on how the city's doing.
We had a meeting with them
about a month ago or so. They gave us an update.
They said this is what they anticipated will be for next year and
for this year. And actually for the Measure A and Measure J, the news
was good. They actually provided an increase over what they had projected.
The general fund won't decrease because it comes at a different--
It's taxed just a little bit differently. There was a drop in the general fund.
Right.
And we asked them about the increase in fuels and they're like, "Well,
at this point it hasn't..." All the data is way behind.
People pay it, by the time it gets to the state and then gets back to us, it's very
old. They really couldn't, it would just be a guess
at this point. They go off of data exactly how things are going.
So there might be an increase that we can come back with, but at this point,
it'd be you telling us, okay, what-
I think this is more of a year because the ball versus mine.
Yeah.
And not to throw the staff under the bus, because I didn't ask them beforehand.
I know we get those quarterly payments.
Obviously, those will start to be more inductions because of fuel prices being so
high, and I haven't seen a no vacancy sign on a pilot yet, and
people still put a Maverick along. But that is the one shining star.
The one thing I would like to say, and I've stayed all of our time tonight, is that
I cannot thank staff and especially department heads for taking the
leadership role to come up with a
planNot only get it to where I can
understand it, but as we all know, when we passed Measure A,
it was very well known that it could be taken over as a
general fund tax. And a council like this
could easily take it and run with it and do what they want,
because it's not a specific tax. But I applaud
the department heads for getting together, working as a team.
And Humberto, when you've worked with lots of cities, we take for granted what we
have here. We have department heads that all get along, that hang out together.
If the chief needs something, the fire chief needs something, the police chief
needs something, especially now with Measure J.
I was happy to see the pool come out, because that was something that we haven't
had the chance due to the previous turmoil we had.
But again, I cannot thank you department heads enough for thinking
outside the box, and staff for getting this.
It's way better than when we first looked at it.
And now, sorry to confuse you, Humberto, with the doggone Measure A and J stuff.
We didn't come up with the letters.
So,
Madam Mayor, I'm pleased with the budget. Could it be better? Absolutely.
Are we where we want to be? No.
But I definitely appreciate the fact that we've been able to
keep us out of a bigger deficit, and I really appreciate the work.
Great.
Sure. Thank you.
Let me just go through the department heads, if I could.
How about now?
Check one, two, one, two.
I'll look right at you when I'm talking, that helps like that.
I'm just going to address our department heads.
Let me just start with Jodi, our librarian.
Jodi, thank you for being here tonight. Thank you all for being here tonight.
If you notice, we have department heads here with us tonight.
I think this is important because I think this was a collaborative.
The decision to pass through some of your costs to those
county library, was that your initiative?
We have a certain budget
set contract with the county for personnel costs.
Okay.
And to be perfectly frank, I thought that was already being
captured. It was kind of discovered that those costs were not already--
But they're actually already budgeted for.
Basically, we just haven't quite captured it in
the past.
And we will now.
Yes.
And with this budget. Thank you. Also, just the idea of
moving streets, library, recreation. It talks about library here in Measure J.
You supported that?
Moving
library, some funding for Measure J.
Yes. Well, we were directed to look at
any general fund costs that we could
reduce. And when you look at the library's budget, everybody's, but
a library especially, it's very much mostly personnel for providing
services, utilities, insurance.
There's nothing else for us to move other than
those costs that we did, so.
Sure. And if I could, thank you very much, Jodi. Thank you for parting that.
We have the chief of police here.
I just want to make sure, Chief Laux, that
same kind of question.
Leaving the community services office sort of position unfilled,
that initiative come from you as a part of this effort to collaboratively work and
make the budget work?
100%.
Okay. Thank you for that. Appreciate that.
I'm going to just take that now if I could.
We're going to go ahead and go to Public Works. Lots of choices made here.
Zach, same question. Did you bring to the table these
initiatives?
Yes, I did.
So is there a sense here, kind of see where I'm going with, that
these various departments, Fires here as well.
Fire I see here, leading one unfunded lead
mechanic, equipment mechanic position unfunded.
Was that initiative come from you, Chief?
The mechanic position came out of Public Works.
That's out of Public Works. Okay, that's not a fire? Okay.
I just made a note by that.
Do you guys share mechanics? Is that why I might've thought that?
Yeah, there's one mechanic that works-
Okay
... at the fire department, works on all the emergency service vehicles, all the
police cars, all the fire trucks, and then crosses over and works
on-
Got it
... part of the fleet for Public Works also.
So would it be safe to say that the four of you are working as a team right now to
make this work?
Thank you.
Yes.
As it should be. And I'm really appreciative of
that. And I think the citizens of Orland should be appreciative of that.
When we don't know what's going on, it's good to know that we have department heads
that do, and they're working through it.
I will ask our consultant here that helps us with the finances, Roberto.
Was that your experience in working with these department heads, that they were
working together to come to a solution?
Well, certainly.
To be quite honest, it was a little bit of a surprise for me because I've worked in
much larger cities and every department has a peak that they're protecting their
own and that's it. And then, the first person that started giving up
stuff was Zach. I'm like, "Wow, never seen somebody just being willing to,
'Okay, yeah, we'll eliminate this.'" Because before we got to these big numbers, we
were going through it. It was just like he said, he was giving up small items that
they were not doing much of anything.
But everybody working together, the recommendations came
for Measure A from police and fire, for Measure J came from
library, streets, and recreation, and even they were giving
me some insight from public safety, because public safety had already
been dealing with Measure A for some time.
So Roberto, you're surprised. Would it be safe, pleasantly so?
Oh, definitely.
Welcome to Orland.
Having been here during austerity measures- ...
after the Great Recession,
we don't want to go back there, and this is how you avoid it.
You work together as a team like these department heads have,
and we're here to support that. I'm here to support that.
So thank you very much for doing that.
I do have some questions for you, Roberto, but again, would you let-- I
just want you guys to know I appreciate you, and I appreciate everything you've
been doing. I think I talk about this too-Because I think
we want to trust our government. We want to know that you're doing what's
right, and I think this is an example of that.
So if I could, I do have some questions for you, Roberto.
What's the date of the last city's mandated financial audit?
The last one that's been completed?
That would be the kind I'd be looking for.
Well, June 30th, 2024 is the last one that's been completed.
The next one is June 30th, 2025, which has not been completed yet.
Is there any work being done on a financial audit that's due in
28 days
to your knowledge?
No. Other than trying to get the books straight, no.
Okay. That's what I needed to know.
That's all I have. Thank you all.
So were you guys any bullied into giving up any positions or anything
like that? Because that's different.
No,
just what Wade said. Thank you guys very much for the teamwork that you guys
put in. I know Lydia was going to be here, but she's not, so she's part of the team
as well, so really appreciate it.
Looking forward, like Roberto said, is that if there's any
services that aren't cost-effective, maybe we kind of look ahead and say,
"Maybe we shouldn't be doing this," to save a couple of bucks here and there.
That's all I
have.
Thank you, staff, and thank you, Roberto, for putting together this report.
I like the layout of it, and it was mostly easy to follow.
I'm still concerned about the overall budget.
You say we've got a
surplus.
If I go back to last year
and look at
all the combined columns, general, Measure A, Measure AA, there's a surplus of
about 600,000. If you go to this year, combine them all
together, you're still at a deficit of
like 400,000.
Yeah.
Yeah. And
of course, there are these big-ticket items such as the police cars,
the ballroom
lights,
and I think those are understandable for they've been sitting for a while, and
they need to get done.
But even if you take those away,
it would still be, have it all combined together,
we'd be right at even, let's say,
if you did all that together. So
I'm still a bit concerned about
that.
So
I appreciate what you guys have done in order to get to where we're at.
And I think it's good,
better than before, and I'd be even more concerned if Measure J
had never passed because that's $1.3
million that we wouldn't have and
it will stall some things here.
So please
be careful on
how we spend our money and to set up for,
I guess, the year of '27, '28.
I don't think we have the same luxury of
being able to say at least even within our budget. So, thank you.
Thanks, Adam. Take care of yourself.
Okay. Thank you. I just have a few
questions for you. When you're talking about 4.7 in our
gift fund balance, and that maybe
we can assign that to be accomplishing those
things that we really would like to accomplish,
are those assigned specifically and we can never move them
anywhere? Or as a council, can we take that gift fund
balance and use it for things such as...
Because what I realized is we had been collecting money every
year trying to reserve 200,000 for a public safety building.
The police department is in a very bad way, and we need to do something
about that. Now, that money doesn't appear on here anywhere anymore.
It's gone. The only money we have in reserves now is for a fire engine.
Is that correct?
Yes.
So the 200,000 that we did have a year ago for our
public safety building has been absorbed. It's gone.
Yes.
Okay. So we still have to have a public safety building.
Can we tap into div funds that are already
earmarked for other things so that we can start talking about how to
build a police department that's suitable for the number of
policemen that we have now? Or that's not possible because it's already been
earmarked for other things?
So the development impact fees
can be used for their specific purpose that they were collected.
There's some for streets, some for parks.
I'd have to look and see what's collected for City Hall, but unfortunately, you
can't move them from one to the other. You can borrow them.
Oh, okay.
So as a council, we can't decide, let's move some of that money
from streets-
No
... to
a public safety facility if that's what we need to do to build a police
department.
Yeah. Unfortunately-
We can't do that.
No.
Okay. I'm learning. Okay. That was my first question.
The water tank, it was going to be considerably over budget.
Is that already accounted for in this, or is that money that's still going
to have to come up out of this?
In next year's budget, maybe? That's a project-
It has been, but all the parts aren't here yet, so I doubt that we've paid for
anything, or we accounted for it.
Do we know the answer to that, or do you have to ask Paul?
I'm sorry, Sam.
We'd have to contact Walt.
Paul would be the one. It's just something when we go for this final review
in two weeks, we probably better check on that because it could throw
a fly in the ointment with the budget that we currently have proposed.
I don't know how much we're still short on paying for that because it's not
done yet.And I know that there's continuing work to try and get all
the pieces to that finish.
Okay. So you'll be making that check with Paul Abel or
Sue Ann or make sure this is absolutely accounted for?
Jack's going to answer that.
Oh, you're going to ask.
We have additional funds that are going towards that tank that were not
met because it wasn't complete on time, or it's coming out of the water
fund.
You're going to pull it out of water, so it's not going to hit this general fund-
Correct
... budget that we're trying to create right now.
Correct.
Okay. As long as that's been accounted for.
The only thing, the concerning thing with this is you said that after
all funds are depleted, the General A and J,
we have potentially 165,000. Is that correct?
That is in the black this year. We're not in the red.
We're in the black, correct?
The general fund would be-
Which includes A and J, the way that you've presented this.
Oh. Okay.
The third was, is actually
all of them combined is a deficit of half a million, but that's because we're
using some of the fund balance-
Right. The fund balance
... money before they imported it.
So the deficit is half a million. So we are using A and
J funds.
Yes, correct.
Okay. So
my concern is our reserves are down.
Start with this, although we have A and J reserves that are being
called A and J, they're just being called part of the general fund.
So are we actually in a place where we're going to begin building that
half a million dollar general fund reserve, or
we're depleting everything a little bit further?
It just doesn't look that way the way it's been assigned.
We're spending more than we brought in.
Yes, but I guess maybe I need to give a different presentation because
the capital assets, the capital big-ticket items that you're
buying are coming
not from the current money, but they're coming from money that's already been built
up-
Right
... or it wasn't used.
Well, I still think it was the assigned money that was for firefighters and for a
public safety building. It's not like it was just money floating out there.
That was, those monies were assigned, and now those assignments other than a
fire truck are gone. We don't have those anymore because we've
decided to put it all together and use it to
backstop the general funds, is what we've done here.
We've backstopped the general fund with A and J funds
because those monies were intentionally by the previous council
somewhat left untouched because
my personal feeling is that's the promise that was made.
When A and J passed, the promise that was made wasn't we were going to backstop
the general fund and pension plans.
It was this was to
make a better place for everyone to live. We have no choice.
We accumulated $5.4 million
in pension funds. I don't even know how you do that.
How many years did it take that we weren't paying our bills, that we
incurred
$5.4 million in
pension fund and the interest that must be accruing on that, I can't even
imagine. The counters should have been kept up all along.
We don't have a choice. We have to catch up, or we will
always be in the red. So yes, you had to do what
you've done in using A and J for that, but that was not what
we promised the public when we passed those measures.
And so yeah, we have to do it, and they've done a great job to do everything they
can.
Hard costs are hard costs. You're not going to get a better PG&E bill.
You're not going to be able to cut so many people that you can operate.
So we have to do what we have to do. But my concern is that
we're not developing reserves even with this budget, and we have to.
We had 3 million three or four years ago, and it's been used
while we still incurred a
$5,400,0000 pension deficit.
We've got to dig deeper somehow, or the real answer is the one that
we've had this discussion several times over and over.
We've got to get that annexation going.
We've got to get more revenue coming in because there's no other way to fix
this and do the things that we've promised the public we would do.
So I'm not after you. You've done a phenomenal job.
And 100 and some pages that I went through every single page
today to make sure, and there's notes all over.
I have a lot of pink slips here because I'd love to spend a little more time.
I'm new at government, and so I fully
understand financials and profits and losses and where we're spending money
and where it's-- I have questions about it,
but I would like to understand more.
I've been calling City Hall regularly, and they don't have the time for me.
They've been wonderful, but there's just
a lot in here. Questions that I have about what I did see, the
answer, the entries that you have any question marks.
Oh, yes.
Just question marks and question marks in there.
And it's like, okay, what does that mean? Why is there a question mark?
What do you mean by that? But I guess you did as much as you could
with the time that you've had left. So thank you so much.
Thank you, department heads, for everything that you did to get us where we are
today. You didn't create the problem.
You're dealing with the problem, and we're all dealing with it.
And thank you to the public for understanding what we have to do now
in order to balance this budget. It's not what we want to do, but it's the only
choice we have left. Okay? Thank you so much.
Yeah.
And thank you, Jack.
Yeah. I think we're good.
My question-
Do you have one more thing?
Answering my question.
Yeah.
If I may, just to-
Yeah
... clarify a couple of things. Just everybody hears the conversation,
so-
Yeah
... with regards to CalPERS, just looking up, that 5.4 million
is built up since the city has been in that retirement plan.
It's not something that happened over the last couple of years.
It's built up over all these years-
No, I agree
... that we've invested.
That's a lot of money, and how could it-
That's how CalPERS works
... and that's why we're having to do what we are today. We have to be in.
I think he's trying to answer you.
I think we're right.
Yeah. So when the city
gets to the point where it's actually structurally sound and moving forward, and
actually has surplus, then that issue of CalPERS can start to be
addressed. There is ways, other ways to go.
We tried one time, we did pension obligation bonds, was to try to
reduce the cost price on rents.
Mm-hmm.
And it works, but only to a certain degree, because of the way the whole pension
system works. We'll have to have a
session at some point-
Mm-hmm
... on CalPERS. It is a very complicated system.
And unfortunately, that is the system throughout the entire state of California,
and we here have no say so in it, other than to
pay the amount. So the UAL, that is the required amount
that needs to be paid.
So it's going to be on paying for this year, it's not reducing the $5
million deficit.
It's-
It's just keeping us current
... keeping us current, technically, but it will build up again next year.
We'll see the numbers. But it's a
requirement, so it has to be paid. The other thing I just wanted to clarify,
Measure A and Measure D, we're still keeping track of them separate.
You alluded to the fact that technically it is all general fund
money for the sense of council can do whatever it wants with it.
But we're keeping track of it separate because council has made it very clear that
commitments have been made for certain things, and that's what...
Measure A is police, fire, and fire activism,
streets. Measure D is recreation, library, and record, and
streets. And again, it's only those costs that were...
We moved a lot of the costs for operating costs over there.
At this point, looking to go ongoing, it's
the UAL, the retirement costs that are, at
this point, one time in nature, depending on what council wants to do.
It definitely gives us a balanced budget, time, a little bit of breathing
room to figure out, okay, how can we do this?
There could be other costs that could've been moved.
It's just that those are big-ticket items.
We went through lots of different line items, and it's just not getting anywhere
with
just that one change.
Like you said, paperclips.
Yeah. The other thing too with this-
People think they're tiny, but they never really add up.
There's only so much you...
Nothing.
Yeah.
Roberto, can you give us a chart of the
CalPERS payments for the last 10 years-
Yeah
... to see
how it's progressed over time?
Yeah, no, we can do that.
I'd like to see it.
Presentations.
Now, you work a lot with cities doing this.
That's why we hired RGS, is because that's what you do.
Do other cities tend to start this budget process a lot
earlier and have round table discussions, maybe ad hoc committees or
anything? Is it usually this is what...
I've only been on two years, and for two years now it's been just like
this. Two weeks before we had to sign that budget, we got a bunch of
numbers. There was a time, really, to
investigate or to understand most of it.
We just had to go with the recommendations that were given to us.
Do other cities start earlier and have a little more interactive process
on this?
Yes. You usually want to start your budget process quite a bit earlier,
but you need the staff,
city has-
Yeah
... not the staff to take the lead on this at this point.
Hopefully, for next year there will be somebody that can start the budget
process much earlier. And
now that we have a little better direction from you then we can develop a better
budget. But the sad part is just the staff is just not there to do
all the number crunching that needs to be done.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Okay. I guess at this point, this is just information until
next week. Is that correct? There's no motion that we forward with today?
Not unless if there are any...
So let me put it this way. The proposed budget would, I feel, okay for this next
year. We don't want to come back with something later say, "No, that's not going to
work. We need to get some kind of direction." Do we make any changes
to this proposed budget? Or are we cleaning room?
Mr. Chair, if I may.
Yeah.
I think we've got our direction. I think you have our direction.
I think we've seen the team do a good job.
I think we have what we have, and we move forward from here.
We're going to look forward. Whatever we didn't do this year or the last two years,
we can start doing now.
And I think we've done that. So I would be very comfortable with, at the next
regular meeting, I believe it's in two weeks from tonight-
Mm-hmm
... seeing this budget
with a final report. And maybe if I could ask,
there is a lot of detail here. You asked at the very first question, I don't
know if you want this much detail. Short answer is, I want it available,
but I want an executive summary to keep it very simple.
So going forward, I think it would help not only me but the public if we have an
executive summary pointing out those distinctives that you've made, whatever those
might be,
as simply as possible. I just think it'd help us.
Yeah.
In two weeks.
We will do that.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Okay.
Yes.
Since I won't be available for the next meeting, I'll go ahead and let council know
right now that the talks with the school
district have gone extremely well. We've got a contract hammered out.
The last thing is what the dollar amount's actually going to be.
That's today.
When we get to that point, it'll go to the school board for vote and approval, and
then it'll come here for vote and approval.
The good news is that number, wherever it ends up being, is not
accounted for in this proposed budget, so that will be extra money
that goes straight to the building up the general fund
reserve.
I thought that they took that position off completely, so I thought it was
subject to resolve.
They pay us.
The school-
The community service officer is unfunded.
There is still a school resource officer.
I'm sorry. I thought they were-
I want to make sure we use correct terminology.
The position is the community service officer, which is currently
unfilled.
Right.
And I'm freezing it for a year.
Okay.
And give us also breathing room to see what the budget and the actual
financials look like next year as we go through this
process once more.
Very good. So we will get an officer back in the schools, it sounds like.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, we already have the officer doing the work.
We're going to be getting funded for it-
Okay
... to some level.
Okay. Very, very good. Made a turning effort to put that together.
Great.
So the other thing that somehow needs to be in this budget, I think, I'll ask
the council for their thoughts on it, but are we going to try and put something in
there for the arts council?
Or is that something that we can have our discretion added in there?
I think that's a separate item that warrants some additional discussion.
I think we'd want to hear
from the council as an agendized item specific to the arts council.
Actually, that's what I would do.
Okay, and then the other one that could potentially be an agendized item for
discussion is continuing to
do the voucher program for the cats, and seeing what progress has been
made on that
front so that we can review whether or not that's something.
And
so I believe it was November 7th, I'll have to get the day, of
2024 that we agreed to put that probably
5,000 with the counties, which I think they don't have into
that. And then also, too, we're going to have the EDC meeting.
No EDC meeting? Never mind. We were going to have one.
No, we're not.
That's where we're going to discuss the arts commission and-
Yes, that came from when I was brought up.
But I think this time let's get this budget initially first.
So anyway, that's a whole another discussion there at ad hoc committees, I think,
on both of those two, bring something to council
to present further on.
Okay. Are we good? Anything else?
Okay.
Thank you, Roberta.
Thank you.
So we are now in the city manager verbal report.
You're on again.
Thank you, mayor, council members.
As directed last meeting, I have begun the city manager
advertising. I put it into three different places,
and I also contacted our
representative at League of Cities, and he's available for
anything that we need
so far. So I've been reaching out to him to see if we can
get an interim or some of the help from them.
We did get the CalRecycle grant that Paul has been trying
for our dump,
750,000.
Yeah.
Which is the maximum you can get.
Yeah.
So
however, and Roberta's-
Still not enough, but-
No.
As Roberta's aware,
it's probably going to be another two years.
And so, Paul thought we'd budget the difference.
You might remember the amount. I'm afraid to say it was a million, but it
was up there.
It was 1.2 or something.
All right. So the difference,
we will be budgeting that in a two-year increment in the budget
for not sure when that's coming up.
Yeah.
And while we're speaking of grants, Jody also received one for
Literacy Bridges for 25,000.
And it's mainly for her to go to be trained to
help assist people with their computer skills.
Did I get that right?
Basic adult and digital literacy, yeah.
Okay. She's going to Alabama. She's pretty excited about that.
The chief,
our chief and I were at the ambulance meeting last night.
There was good discussion, and so was everybody here, with
Wade not being there.
And it was a good presentation.
There's some information that was out that was really important
for everybody. But it will go back to an ad hoc committee, and they
will have some further discussion on what to do about
our ambulance services and the
accounting. Our next meeting, of course, we'll do the budget.
Tranquility Place, which is not Tranquility Place.
I forget what the place is supposed to be. Point. Tranquility Point.
They will put on a presentation about their new facilities that they're going to
have on Mayville Road.
They'll be coming next week. Our next budget for that.
As I informed Council Member McDermott,
the EDA will... The EDC will not be meeting because
we don't have a staff member that can be there, because it needs to be a city
manager. But I know they were going to talk
about the welcome to Orland sign, and we can put that on the
budget, or the meeting for council either next or
the first meeting in July.
I believe that's it, unless you have any questions.
Very good. Thank you.
Okay. Any seated?
The only thing I have is, for attending the meeting last night, I'd
like to be part of the ad hoc committee, if possible, with John.
Turn on the microphone. With microphone.
Very good.
I understand that the ambulance...
I think the county is going to make the main decision, and then we have the ad hoc
committee. I'd still like to see,
as we had discussed earlier, Darren, to revisit
the funding website.
Because the information came out of that
report
from
that services company. So I'd like to see that
sometime
soon. Thank you.
Okay. Anyone into a discussion?
Have you had a break?
No report.
Okay. Don?
No report.
Okay.
I think that we've done enough tonight.
Thank you all for being
here. Thank you