1 00:00:00,390 --> 00:00:05,490 of the Orland City Council for Tuesday, September 1st, 2026, to order. 2 00:00:06,660 --> 00:00:07,650 Roll call, please. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,030 Let the record show we have a quorum with all council members present. 4 00:00:13,395 --> 00:00:15,451 Okay. We're going to go into closed session. 5 00:00:15,496 --> 00:00:16,560 Any of the public have 6 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:21,870 something they would like to say? Comments, restrict it to three minutes. 7 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:26,745 Do I have any public comments? None online and no one present, so we'll move on to 8 00:00:26,790 --> 00:00:28,411 the closed session, please. 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,510 We will reconvene and to regular session. 10 00:00:39,570 --> 00:00:45,090 We have no reportable action from the closed session tonight. Pledge of allegiance. 11 00:00:46,411 --> 00:00:48,511 Yes. All right. Stand if you are able. 12 00:00:50,970 --> 00:00:55,995 Salute. Pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 13 00:00:56,100 --> 00:01:01,590 United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, 14 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:07,230 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 15 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:17,160 Okay. We'll look at Orland communications and public comments. 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,365 Of course, we're going to limit them to three minutes, and after you are recognized 17 00:01:22,380 --> 00:01:26,640 by the leader, we will be more than happy to yield you my time for any other 18 00:01:26,730 --> 00:01:32,280 comments tonight, so you all know. Okay. 19 00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:35,100 Good evening. 20 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,211 Good evening, Mayor and Councilmember. 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,150 Excuse me, but I missed a couple of meetings, and I want to ask a question. 22 00:01:47,790 --> 00:01:50,715 Maybe you can answer it or not. I don't know. 23 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:53,580 Is the big tank hooked up and in service? 24 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:59,490 I'm going to let our city manager respond to that because I'm sure he's fully up to 25 00:01:59,521 --> 00:02:00,360 date on that. 26 00:02:02,820 --> 00:02:05,851 It is hooked up, but it is not in service. 27 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,440 To my understanding, the last missing electrical piece, we're waiting for the 28 00:02:10,470 --> 00:02:11,940 control room, and finally- 29 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,310 The one that's supposed to be in July. 30 00:02:14,370 --> 00:02:15,840 Yeah, it's finally here. 31 00:02:16,380 --> 00:02:16,995 It came. 32 00:02:16,995 --> 00:02:21,090 It did come in. So we're just waiting on the contractors to finish up that last bit 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,700 of work on the tank. The well on the end of Walker Street is still missing one 34 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:31,351 component. So that project's still on hold waiting for that, but that's where we 35 00:02:31,410 --> 00:02:32,430 stand at this point. 36 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:37,290 Question, will it be hooked up to the internet? 37 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:42,750 Let's see. 38 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:48,510 It'll be hooked up to a SCADA system, which is internet-based, but it won't be 39 00:02:48,540 --> 00:02:53,940 accessible for public internet, but it will be controlled by those employees. 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,940 Well, I'm concerned with the threats that we get over- 41 00:02:59,070 --> 00:02:59,490 Yeah 42 00:02:59,505 --> 00:03:00,720 ... from overseas. 43 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Yeah. 44 00:03:01,230 --> 00:03:03,960 About internet connections and support. 45 00:03:04,020 --> 00:03:04,230 Yeah. 46 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:05,685 That was my question. 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,800 It's like all of our wells. Everything's connected, so it can be controlled easily 48 00:03:10,830 --> 00:03:13,484 through the internet, but at the end of the day, it also can be controlled 49 00:03:13,531 --> 00:03:14,610 independently. 50 00:03:14,671 --> 00:03:15,000 Okay. 51 00:03:15,059 --> 00:03:18,720 So when we had the fire on Railroad and all the power got shut off in town during 52 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:23,640 that fire, they had to manually go fire up all the wells for that. 53 00:03:23,940 --> 00:03:25,860 So we still have the ability to control it. 54 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,380 It just takes a little bit longer to get the employees out and go turn it manually 55 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:31,560 on. 56 00:03:32,101 --> 00:03:32,160 Okay. 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,810 We're not going to be completely shut down if something happened on a cyberattack. 58 00:03:37,171 --> 00:03:38,520 Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 59 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:42,015 Very good questioning. Thank you. Anything else? 60 00:03:42,015 --> 00:03:43,830 I'll take a public comment tonight. 61 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:49,770 No? Okay. Well, we're going to move on to the administrative business portion of 62 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:51,480 it. I'm sorry. The consent calendar. 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,400 We have four. 64 00:03:54,660 --> 00:04:00,451 The city council minutes from August 16th, the Recreation Commission minutes from 65 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:05,505 April 22nd, and the ABC minutes from February 10th. Any comments on any of those? 66 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:08,205 No. Okay. Do I have a motion? 67 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:15,090 Madam Mayor, I move to approve the consent calendar as presented. 68 00:04:16,591 --> 00:04:17,250 I'll second. 69 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:20,565 Motion is made and seconded. All those in favor? 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Aye. 71 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:21,601 Aye. 72 00:04:22,050 --> 00:04:25,830 Opposed? None. The motion is carried. All right. 73 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,610 We're going to move on to administrative business, the Feline Population Reduction 74 00:04:29,701 --> 00:04:35,670 Program history. The status of the $25,000 allocation, reimbursements, 75 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:40,770 and requested direction from Justin McKeon. Over to you, Justin. 76 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:43,531 Good evening, Mayor, Council. 77 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,760 In a quest to try to clean up some of the outstanding things that have been on the 78 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:55,710 city's books, and having talked to Valerie Johnson about trying to find a complete 79 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,750 record of everything that's happened in. 80 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:03,660 The mayor's also asked about trying to get to the point of where we're at right 81 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:07,110 now. And so I worked on the history side of this. 82 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:11,281 Scott worked on the other part of this. 83 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:16,635 So mine was the history, to try to bring you guys up to speed on everything that's 84 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:21,285 transpired over the last three years as far as meetings and decisions, and just 85 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:25,740 everything that went into it. And so that was my side of it. 86 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:29,970 As far as the rest of it, from the legal opinion sides of it, I would defer to 87 00:05:30,045 --> 00:05:35,341 Scott on that. But this is really just a chance to clear the air, set the record 88 00:05:35,490 --> 00:05:40,470 straight on what has happened over the last three years, and then for you guys to 89 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:43,290 make a decision what you want to do going forward. 90 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,720 And so that's what this is tonight. 91 00:05:46,770 --> 00:05:47,640 Thanks, Scott. To you. 92 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,910 I'm happy to answer any questions. 93 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,360 So the status of the money is outlined in the staff report. 94 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:59,970 It was initially designated American 95 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,230 Recovery funds, but it's not restricted. 96 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:08,220 So, there's no restriction to that. 97 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,070 But at the same time, as outlined in the staff report, the program was never 98 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:19,320 implemented. The intended state reimbursement program was never implemented. 99 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:24,765 So it was left out in the open. The city currently has no outstanding 100 00:06:24,869 --> 00:06:27,869 obligation regarding that side of the program. 101 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:28,890 Sounds good. 102 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:30,285 Up to the council at this point. 103 00:06:30,930 --> 00:06:33,480 Okay. So we're going to open for public comment. 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,110 You want to go, Maggie? 105 00:06:39,151 --> 00:06:39,930 Thank you so much. 106 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,285 I'll just comment on this, and we'll make it very, very easy because in the 107 00:06:45,331 --> 00:06:50,910 beginning, when we began and came about, it was out of pure need. 108 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:57,451 And there was a lot of suffering going on with the cat situation, 109 00:06:57,510 --> 00:07:01,320 and we were getting inundated. Let's make it a long story short. 110 00:07:02,401 --> 00:07:08,370 I would just like to be thankful and grateful and very 111 00:07:08,401 --> 00:07:12,180 gracious thus far. We did, 112 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:19,620 in all honesty, set this whole political angle and getting involved with how 113 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,020 the city council and county works and what have you. 114 00:07:22,081 --> 00:07:25,620 It's been an experience and learning experience with that. 115 00:07:26,701 --> 00:07:29,401 We want to stay on the gracious side of things. 116 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:35,430 And actually, we did go forth and implemented the program with 117 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:40,140 the wherewithal that we thought that everything had been approved and it's gone 118 00:07:40,201 --> 00:07:46,081 forth and continued. We've done so far $10,000 worth 119 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:49,770 of spays and neuters, felines from the city and the county. 120 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:54,990 We didn't differentiate against the county lions or city. 121 00:07:55,831 --> 00:07:57,960 They come from everywhere. So we fixed them. 122 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:03,870 And with that, graciously, we like to have that be set behind us. 123 00:08:03,930 --> 00:08:07,680 The city has no obligation. The county, we know their stand. 124 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:14,701 Mostly what we'd like to see going forward is the city of Orland staying 125 00:08:14,790 --> 00:08:19,140 on the same page and the same board with us on our stance towards the cat 126 00:08:19,201 --> 00:08:21,901 situation, with the solution being spay and neuter. 127 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,081 Whether it be TNR or what have you, the program, we have a benefit in our county 128 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:33,870 that we have sanctuary. We have 20 acres, and we are able and willing to 129 00:08:33,901 --> 00:08:39,061 help the county and city cats. We are getting calls from the county for help, and 130 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,201 thus far, we're helping. Thank you. Please let me continue just a minute. 131 00:08:43,770 --> 00:08:49,260 And with that, we want the monies and that we've spent so far thus far out of our 132 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:51,480 own pocket, hidden treasures, and 133 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:55,740 self-fund it to be our donations of the city and county. 134 00:08:57,181 --> 00:09:02,760 What you do with the decision you make with the $25,000 that was allocated, 135 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,899 and as the rest, whichever page. We're in agreement. 136 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,035 We like to give these donations. We love it, and we receive them. 137 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:14,610 But we're going to go forward. We want to be on the same page with our city. 138 00:09:15,181 --> 00:09:20,719 We're proud of them. So that's far, and we've made a dent 139 00:09:21,078 --> 00:09:26,552 in the cat problem. We heard police level went a long way go, but we're not going 140 00:09:26,568 --> 00:09:31,428 to be asking for funding in the future. We're self-funded. We have other options. 141 00:09:31,458 --> 00:09:33,228 We're self-sustainable at this point. 142 00:09:33,588 --> 00:09:37,219 We want to be on good terms with our city, and that's where we want to leave it. 143 00:09:37,338 --> 00:09:42,408 So at this point, we know our city doesn't have any money, and we wanted to stay on 144 00:09:42,438 --> 00:09:46,578 the Asian side and go through convincing city pass any caps 145 00:09:47,928 --> 00:09:49,008 going forward to now. 146 00:09:49,068 --> 00:09:49,488 Thank you. 147 00:09:49,788 --> 00:09:49,833 Thank you. 148 00:09:49,833 --> 00:09:55,308 Thank you so much for your commentary. I appreciate that. Any others? 149 00:09:55,338 --> 00:09:56,178 Any online? 150 00:09:57,708 --> 00:10:02,298 No. All right. Council. JC, would you like to start? 151 00:10:05,208 --> 00:10:06,798 Justin, I want to thank you and your staff. 152 00:10:06,858 --> 00:10:12,228 This is a great detailed staff report, and I recommend anybody in the public that 153 00:10:12,288 --> 00:10:16,788 hasn't seen it yet, we'll have meetings pulled up online, and you can actually see 154 00:10:16,818 --> 00:10:22,233 what the city council has done in the past, and you have a better understanding of 155 00:10:22,278 --> 00:10:23,808 what they're talking about tonight. 156 00:10:24,198 --> 00:10:28,608 So it's a thick packet, so by all means, look at it. 157 00:10:30,528 --> 00:10:33,678 For me, when I look back at the notes and talking to some of the previous 158 00:10:34,969 --> 00:10:38,703 council members and talking with some of the board of supervisors, this was going 159 00:10:38,719 --> 00:10:43,788 to be a great program, I think. However, we needed to have a partnership, 160 00:10:44,628 --> 00:10:48,168 and we lost that partnership with the county because of funds. 161 00:10:50,148 --> 00:10:52,817 So we have to look at it ourselves now. What can we do? 162 00:10:54,317 --> 00:10:58,353 What kind of... If we could probably design our own thing, but again, who's going 163 00:10:58,428 --> 00:11:00,528 to implement it? Who's going to run it? 164 00:11:01,578 --> 00:11:04,578 Can we talk to the sheriff to see if he would run it? 165 00:11:04,608 --> 00:11:08,508 If he would implement it, maybe not charge us any admin fees on top of it. 166 00:11:09,798 --> 00:11:10,428 Would you like that- 167 00:11:10,518 --> 00:11:13,219 Or would like to talk about other options. 168 00:11:14,868 --> 00:11:16,248 Can we come up on part of here? 169 00:11:16,413 --> 00:11:21,108 I'm sorry. We've got people on TV, but go on then. Quick question, councilman. 170 00:11:21,498 --> 00:11:25,278 So we do have our sheriff on board. He's very supportive. 171 00:11:25,308 --> 00:11:30,588 He actually donated $20,000 to us over a year ago, and it was very helpful. 172 00:11:30,993 --> 00:11:35,508 It helped us get our spay and surgery room completed, and we did 1,000 surgeries 173 00:11:35,778 --> 00:11:37,248 when we were in town. So- 174 00:11:37,308 --> 00:11:38,628 What about now, though? 175 00:11:38,719 --> 00:11:39,033 Sheriff is- 176 00:11:39,048 --> 00:11:43,143 Because I know that you have said, I knew that he had given you guys some funds, 177 00:11:43,638 --> 00:11:45,618 but does he have the funds to give now? 178 00:11:45,798 --> 00:11:46,068 Yeah. 179 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:49,608 Talking with some of the board supervisors, they were hoping that there'd be some 180 00:11:49,668 --> 00:11:53,148 funds available somewhere, but they said, "Don't hold your breath." 181 00:11:53,448 --> 00:11:55,818 I believe Sheriff Gibbs just recently 182 00:11:55,833 --> 00:11:58,638 He wants to go help me at this point. 183 00:11:58,698 --> 00:11:58,938 Yeah. 184 00:12:00,318 --> 00:12:04,878 And I believe that they get those monies from the licensing for the dogs. 185 00:12:04,893 --> 00:12:04,893 There's- 186 00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:08,719 And let me ask you this again, because you and I had a couple of discussions. 187 00:12:08,778 --> 00:12:11,058 But when you believe, did they tell you they have- 188 00:12:11,118 --> 00:12:11,133 Yes 189 00:12:11,208 --> 00:12:14,298 ... or just your interpretation of what they may have said? 190 00:12:14,568 --> 00:12:18,288 He has told me that he's on board to help me. 191 00:12:18,618 --> 00:12:19,668 Okay. Okay. 192 00:12:19,818 --> 00:12:21,078 I believe so. 193 00:12:21,108 --> 00:12:21,168 Okay. 194 00:12:21,198 --> 00:12:23,778 Yes, I believe people's words. 195 00:12:25,488 --> 00:12:25,758 Thank you. 196 00:12:25,818 --> 00:12:30,708 Well, we and I talked before, and I said, "When you talk with a politician, listen 197 00:12:30,738 --> 00:12:33,918 to what they say, not what you assume they said." 198 00:12:34,038 --> 00:12:34,219 No. 199 00:12:34,518 --> 00:12:38,238 Right? And then if you're not sure, then by all means, ask for specification with 200 00:12:38,268 --> 00:12:39,678 any politician. 201 00:12:40,248 --> 00:12:43,908 Right. But he said he was supportive to us. Yes. 202 00:12:44,748 --> 00:12:47,702 So, for me, unless we can have a partnership with the county, 203 00:12:49,219 --> 00:12:53,358 I don't see this thing moving forward any further. 204 00:12:53,448 --> 00:12:58,458 And if we were to, say, not have a partnership, then I think that we have our own 205 00:12:58,578 --> 00:13:04,518 financial issues as well. Then maybe we should just resend the last 206 00:13:04,608 --> 00:13:10,143 city council vote and go ahead and just absorb that back and 207 00:13:10,758 --> 00:13:13,907 general fund use it for whatever we need it for. 208 00:13:16,308 --> 00:13:18,439 Okay. Thoughts on this? 209 00:13:19,458 --> 00:13:19,878 Yes. 210 00:13:24,618 --> 00:13:24,768 So 211 00:13:26,238 --> 00:13:29,388 my wife is a researcher at the animal shelter, and they 212 00:13:30,738 --> 00:13:32,854 got a lot of help from... Sorry. 213 00:13:34,368 --> 00:13:39,183 The neighborhood cat advocates got me to return, and they did all the Butte 214 00:13:39,288 --> 00:13:42,798 County... They do all the Butte Counties return 215 00:13:44,988 --> 00:13:49,458 cats over there. And of course, it looks like they've done about 20,000 cats, so 216 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:51,618 about 1,500 cats per year. 217 00:13:53,448 --> 00:13:56,868 And they get a bunch of donations to assist with this program. 218 00:13:58,969 --> 00:14:04,248 And I'm sure that they won't end anytime soon. 219 00:14:04,278 --> 00:14:09,409 So it's going to be a lot. There's going to be a financial burden for 220 00:14:11,148 --> 00:14:13,173 who knows how long until we do something, 221 00:14:16,098 --> 00:14:17,568 find something that can be permanent. 222 00:14:18,828 --> 00:14:19,098 Yeah. 223 00:14:20,328 --> 00:14:22,339 I think we've already set this money aside. 224 00:14:23,928 --> 00:14:26,898 I think there is a need for this program, 225 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:33,948 even if the county cannot proceed, if they cannot afford with this. 226 00:14:35,118 --> 00:14:37,323 Since we've already set the money aside, I think we should move forward with this, 227 00:14:38,118 --> 00:14:40,758 and then hopefully the county will join on. Someone's got to start it. 228 00:14:40,818 --> 00:14:46,098 So we've already set the money, but we have the support here. 229 00:14:46,488 --> 00:14:51,348 I think we should move on with it. Stop at $10,000 if the county 230 00:14:52,729 --> 00:14:55,848 can join the board with us, then maybe we can 231 00:14:57,078 --> 00:15:01,969 keep eye funds to this problem that we do have a cat problem population. 232 00:15:02,523 --> 00:15:07,518 There's a lot of stray cats. Certain areas 233 00:15:07,638 --> 00:15:09,768 are more impacted than others. 234 00:15:13,518 --> 00:15:17,719 And along with that, I think we also need to look at the root cause of why there 235 00:15:17,733 --> 00:15:18,439 are so many cats. 236 00:15:20,089 --> 00:15:25,939 People, residents don't spay, neuter the cats, so we can do some education on 237 00:15:26,028 --> 00:15:26,883 that and 238 00:15:28,368 --> 00:15:33,018 try to give more education to our residents to not... 239 00:15:33,048 --> 00:15:37,189 Try not to feed stray cats because then of course they'll repopulate. 240 00:15:37,698 --> 00:15:41,689 And so just along with this, there needs to be education. 241 00:15:44,448 --> 00:15:45,618 That's what I'd say. 242 00:15:46,098 --> 00:15:48,409 Okay. Thank you. Now we go to John. 243 00:15:50,388 --> 00:15:56,328 I mean, pretty simple for me. Is your government responsible 244 00:15:56,388 --> 00:16:01,788 for taking care of people's animals? No. Can we help our neighbors? 245 00:16:01,909 --> 00:16:06,229 Absolutely. To me, this is one of those issues to where 246 00:16:07,668 --> 00:16:11,373 people like you, Valerie, the folks that are good-hearted who want to go help out 247 00:16:11,418 --> 00:16:15,453 an issue, that's great. But at a point, now that you're talking about Valerie, too, 248 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:19,548 is where funds are tight. I'm all for even the money, figuring out a way in the 249 00:16:19,638 --> 00:16:23,253 original to go do this back in '22 or '23 250 00:16:24,498 --> 00:16:25,189 to do that 251 00:16:26,689 --> 00:16:32,418 reimbursable for the citizens that reside in New Orleans before it, before again, 252 00:16:32,479 --> 00:16:35,268 mostly for householders with cats and with dogs. 253 00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:39,738 But here and there, I think it's a good start, and then maybe in the near future, 254 00:16:39,798 --> 00:16:44,418 we can get more broad in terms of how we do things. 255 00:16:46,068 --> 00:16:49,953 To chime on what JC said, we, you know, waiting for the county is going to be a 256 00:16:49,969 --> 00:16:53,298 while, and I don't think we need to partner with them per se. 257 00:16:53,868 --> 00:16:58,068 But then again, my final point is going to be, and I don't want to burden the staff 258 00:16:58,488 --> 00:17:02,298 who already have to shut the doors one day a week to be able to deal with one 259 00:17:02,568 --> 00:17:06,409 thing. But I think with patience and time, we can get this solved, and we won't 260 00:17:06,498 --> 00:17:10,128 ever fix it, no pun intended, but we definitely can 261 00:17:11,328 --> 00:17:15,107 help address the issue. So we'll just do it one person at a time. 262 00:17:15,168 --> 00:17:16,068 That's good. 263 00:17:17,868 --> 00:17:20,839 Well, let me just first say thank you, Valerie. 264 00:17:21,618 --> 00:17:25,939 We did meet, and you said it's going to be a really short meeting, and I'm going to 265 00:17:25,969 --> 00:17:30,198 make it really easy, and you did. I think what people say matters. 266 00:17:31,458 --> 00:17:35,793 You said, and what I heard you say tonight, is there, in your view, you and your 267 00:17:35,808 --> 00:17:38,268 board believe there's no obligation by the city of this. 268 00:17:39,048 --> 00:17:44,089 What you seek is us to be supportive of the mission, which we can do just by saying 269 00:17:44,538 --> 00:17:48,649 what you're doing is a good thing. And so I'll say it's a good thing. 270 00:17:49,578 --> 00:17:52,128 The other thing I heard you say is that 271 00:17:54,018 --> 00:17:54,948 you're self-funded. 272 00:17:56,448 --> 00:17:57,348 And that's a good thing. 273 00:17:58,548 --> 00:18:04,188 I also did a little research on that Cat Alliance out of Chico, and they are 274 00:18:04,278 --> 00:18:09,528 also self-funded. So here's what we know about the good neighbors in New Orleans 275 00:18:09,618 --> 00:18:12,558 and Glenn County is they love pets, and 276 00:18:16,248 --> 00:18:19,399 when they see a need to help, they give 277 00:18:20,298 --> 00:18:26,118 So I think the solution here is to continue for us to be positive about the idea 278 00:18:26,178 --> 00:18:31,067 that there is a place where we're trying to reduce the feline population. 279 00:18:31,098 --> 00:18:34,368 They're breeding by eliminating the ability to breed. 280 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:38,028 If you want to know why there's a problem, I can tell you. 281 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:41,149 Cats breed, and they breed fast, and they breed often, and they have large litters. 282 00:18:41,988 --> 00:18:47,839 The problem is that individuals who are cat owners don't care for 283 00:18:47,899 --> 00:18:53,313 their cats, and they don't take responsibility for their cats when they choose not 284 00:18:53,358 --> 00:18:58,743 to, or neglect having them spayed and neutered, and then they breed, and 285 00:18:58,788 --> 00:19:04,113 then those feral cats, those new cats, become feral in the county. 286 00:19:04,818 --> 00:19:07,518 So I think yours is one of many solutions. 287 00:19:07,668 --> 00:19:11,208 I think it's the more humane solution than trapping and euthanizing. 288 00:19:12,978 --> 00:19:17,268 And so I'm so glad that you came tonight. I'm so glad that we met. 289 00:19:18,138 --> 00:19:21,198 I think you see where this is going. I think I do, too. 290 00:19:21,888 --> 00:19:27,738 I think the financial needs of the city are paramount for this, 291 00:19:28,399 --> 00:19:28,488 for 292 00:19:30,078 --> 00:19:32,537 me in particular, but I think for this group. 293 00:19:33,078 --> 00:19:39,018 And so the fact that you took the gracious exit option for us, thank you for that, 294 00:19:40,308 --> 00:19:43,668 because I will also support returning those funds back to the general fund. 295 00:19:44,628 --> 00:19:46,157 You're welcome. Blessing. 296 00:19:46,278 --> 00:19:50,958 Yeah. And I see that and yeah, I believe that. Thank you, Valerie. 297 00:19:53,628 --> 00:19:54,108 Okay. 298 00:19:56,149 --> 00:20:01,728 It's difficult to be where we are because a promise was made back in 2023 299 00:20:02,478 --> 00:20:06,153 to address what was a serious problem. 300 00:20:06,768 --> 00:20:11,028 Yeah, a serious problem in the city limits. It certainly is. 301 00:20:11,149 --> 00:20:16,263 I've told the story of my own son, six-year-old son, being bit by a feral cat, and 302 00:20:16,428 --> 00:20:20,793 my inability to find out whether or not that cat had rabies, because the cat died 303 00:20:20,793 --> 00:20:25,098 two days later for no good reason, found it dead in the backyard. 304 00:20:25,998 --> 00:20:30,138 So having feral cats running around that are not 305 00:20:31,399 --> 00:20:37,308 being cared for, some people are very, very gentle and care enough that they throw 306 00:20:37,399 --> 00:20:42,288 food out for them. Putting food out does not make them overpopulate. 307 00:20:42,378 --> 00:20:47,988 They will populate whether you feed them or someone else puts food out for them. 308 00:20:48,708 --> 00:20:53,149 The way to manage the problem is the TNR program. 309 00:20:53,718 --> 00:20:58,818 And actually, I had gone to former management at the city of Orland 310 00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:05,358 before Valerie ever came along, trying to have a discussion over the issue, 311 00:21:05,418 --> 00:21:09,649 and the response was, "It's not a city problem." It is a city problem. 312 00:21:10,098 --> 00:21:15,318 We're in a really good place now, because we actually, the numbers, I truly 313 00:21:15,348 --> 00:21:17,178 believe, Valerie, are going down. 314 00:21:17,958 --> 00:21:23,688 Our business right there on Highway 99, there were cats everywhere, 315 00:21:23,988 --> 00:21:27,768 all the time. They were in the dumpsters, they were underneath buildings, they were 316 00:21:27,858 --> 00:21:33,393 flops. That population has decreased, and I would have to, and Valerie 317 00:21:33,438 --> 00:21:39,363 actually provided some traps for me to trap some of them, have them fixed, and 318 00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:43,128 allow them to either stay with Valerie or return them to the streets. 319 00:21:43,818 --> 00:21:48,348 And so the population is going down, but it's going down because something is being 320 00:21:48,409 --> 00:21:53,089 done. So Valerie's effort is paying off. 321 00:21:53,118 --> 00:21:55,758 The city is benefiting from Valerie's effort. 322 00:21:56,268 --> 00:21:59,748 Now, I want to make sure I 100% understand you. 323 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:05,628 You're saying you do not need the 25,000 that the city has previously 324 00:22:05,688 --> 00:22:10,938 discussed providing you, and that you were thinking you were going to get when you 325 00:22:10,998 --> 00:22:15,618 went out and built your facility, your spay, neuter facility? 326 00:22:17,268 --> 00:22:17,823 Go ahead. 327 00:22:17,823 --> 00:22:22,638 At the time, when we were first in town, I was desperate for money because the 328 00:22:22,668 --> 00:22:25,938 overtime was high, and I was under a lot of stress. 329 00:22:26,028 --> 00:22:30,078 So I think that that came about in a desperate way. 330 00:22:30,138 --> 00:22:34,758 But since we did move out to our ranch, and we 331 00:22:36,198 --> 00:22:41,358 have the future of the Rampant Pit Judges is going to continue after I'm gone. 332 00:22:41,418 --> 00:22:44,268 My son is taking over gateway. But 333 00:22:45,528 --> 00:22:51,409 we don't have that. We have a viable sustainability at this time, and we've gone 334 00:22:51,468 --> 00:22:53,988 viral on TikTok, which is providing a lot of- 335 00:22:54,888 --> 00:22:56,133 A lot of film there, isn't it? 336 00:22:56,178 --> 00:22:57,708 A lot of amazing people. 337 00:22:58,758 --> 00:23:01,008 My other question to you. 338 00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:01,548 We- 339 00:23:01,938 --> 00:23:06,318 The history with this, what I understood was that it was not going to you. 340 00:23:06,528 --> 00:23:12,318 It was a voucher program where anyone could trap or take a cat to any vet, 341 00:23:12,589 --> 00:23:15,738 and any vet would get the $100 reimbursement. 342 00:23:15,768 --> 00:23:18,168 That's the original, and we had 343 00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:24,738 wanted to go for that, and that was our original proposal. 344 00:23:24,888 --> 00:23:27,948 But nobody at the vets did not come forward. Nobody did. 345 00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:29,628 So the vets weren't going to sign off. 346 00:23:29,659 --> 00:23:34,038 They weren't interested. So we did go forward and do all of the work, and I met 347 00:23:34,098 --> 00:23:39,828 with all the different counties for advice and to find out how a voucher 348 00:23:39,858 --> 00:23:42,828 program is actually enacted and 349 00:23:44,688 --> 00:23:49,878 we can go forth with it. And a lot of counties, Colusa County helped us, the 350 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:54,918 sheriff's department there, animal control, and a lot of people, Chico NCA, 351 00:23:56,538 --> 00:24:01,188 Sarah Downs came here, actually, and we met in the ad hoc committee with them 352 00:24:01,278 --> 00:24:06,649 there, Matt Romano. So I believe that's where with-- I don't blame anyone here 353 00:24:06,768 --> 00:24:12,678 because there's been so many changes, and just like Chief Chaney, he helped 354 00:24:12,738 --> 00:24:18,618 and stepped right in to help find out what the issue was, and Councilman Elliott, 355 00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:23,628 and you too, Mayor Barna. I do appreciate everybody doing some homework and finding 356 00:24:23,688 --> 00:24:27,813 out, getting to the bottom, because when words are said in conversation, it's 357 00:24:27,828 --> 00:24:32,659 different. Conversation is not what's in the book there that's not house to take 358 00:24:32,748 --> 00:24:37,188 care of. So we get that, and with that, there's no blame anywhere. 359 00:24:37,308 --> 00:24:37,399 We 360 00:24:38,718 --> 00:24:43,518 always just wanted to have a solution for the cats, the most humane. 361 00:24:44,028 --> 00:24:47,659 Euthanizing, trapping cats, euthanizing is not the correct way. 362 00:24:47,988 --> 00:24:53,748 If you leave the stray cats out on the street, they're going to not 363 00:24:53,778 --> 00:24:57,438 feed them and have a program. There is no responsible feeders as well. 364 00:24:57,498 --> 00:25:02,538 That's a whole other story. But you need to have a program of feeders trapping 365 00:25:02,748 --> 00:25:07,714 follow-through. Fix them. If they're not able to TNR return where they come from, 366 00:25:08,118 --> 00:25:11,358 we have that option, which is a real blessing in our county because a lot of them 367 00:25:11,388 --> 00:25:15,258 don't have that. They only have TNR. We have a sanctuary. 368 00:25:15,378 --> 00:25:19,909 So if right now, if I were to feel like I have 369 00:25:21,348 --> 00:25:25,938 three cats, they're eating my cats' cat food because they're strays, and they're 370 00:25:25,968 --> 00:25:30,738 coming along, and I decide, "Okay, I'm going to do something about that," and I 371 00:25:30,768 --> 00:25:35,958 were to come to you and ask for a trap, you'd give me a trap, and I can bring the 372 00:25:36,018 --> 00:25:39,482 cats out. And then what is it going to cost me to have the cats fixed? 373 00:25:39,618 --> 00:25:43,848 Our program is that we have a new sponsorship program of the people. 374 00:25:43,878 --> 00:25:45,919 They're buying people and it's foreign people. 375 00:25:46,038 --> 00:25:51,018 And for an example, we had a call that was desperate. A woman hoarding cats. 376 00:25:51,078 --> 00:25:55,399 She didn't start out right, but living in an apartment in Live Oak, out of our 377 00:25:55,458 --> 00:25:57,288 county, which we're helping as well. 378 00:25:59,658 --> 00:26:03,408 She had me out by 6:00 PM, and the cats were all going to be fed out to the street. 379 00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:07,038 And you're talking 10 cats that are five males and five females. 380 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,268 Well, the females all had litters. So now you're talking... 381 00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:14,208 Exponentially a lot of cats. 382 00:26:14,419 --> 00:26:17,928 So we said yes, bring them. So it was $100 each. 383 00:26:17,988 --> 00:26:20,448 So we take a surrender for $100 each. 384 00:26:20,568 --> 00:26:25,158 We offer lifetime wellness, care, fixing if they need to be fixed, 385 00:26:26,478 --> 00:26:30,558 and a free roaming on a 20-acre sanctuary. 386 00:26:30,618 --> 00:26:34,443 So I guess my question was, I'm just a retired senior- 387 00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:34,863 Yeah 388 00:26:34,908 --> 00:26:40,218 ... let's say, and it's going to cost me $300, or it's not going to cost me $300 389 00:26:40,248 --> 00:26:44,958 because you have a program that's going to help me, a retired senior, pay for the 390 00:26:45,048 --> 00:26:45,618 cost. 391 00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:49,038 Okay, so this woman that was evicted obviously had no money. 392 00:26:49,548 --> 00:26:54,108 So we put it out there, and about three or four shelters and rescuers got together, 393 00:26:57,108 --> 00:27:00,858 Placer County, Butte County, and us. 394 00:27:01,399 --> 00:27:06,498 And between all of us, within, mind you, five hours, we raised 395 00:27:06,514 --> 00:27:09,738 $7,000. We moved those cats in. So- 396 00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:12,453 So there's some of these who help the folks that don't. 397 00:27:12,498 --> 00:27:18,288 That was a sponsorship that came forth in a great way for one situation in an 398 00:27:18,348 --> 00:27:23,328 emergency in five hours worth of time. But that was very impressive to us. 399 00:27:23,718 --> 00:27:28,264 And since then, we've had several more donations come in at $100 each for those 400 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:30,438 kind of people that don't have money. 401 00:27:30,468 --> 00:27:36,438 And those also, the people that have cat issues that want to do the 402 00:27:36,498 --> 00:27:40,248 right thing and get them in and get fixed, we have that option now that we can have 403 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:44,794 an account, a fund for them, or we can put it out there, and as it comes in, it 404 00:27:44,899 --> 00:27:49,218 comes in quick. So people are good. It's a lot better. 405 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:52,264 Had we known in the beginning, maybe we'd have gone there. 406 00:27:52,308 --> 00:27:57,198 But we came to our city and county first, as we thought we would, to tell about the 407 00:27:57,228 --> 00:27:57,738 problem. 408 00:27:58,038 --> 00:27:59,839 And my concern is if- 409 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:05,938 We want people to continue what you've started, that they are going to trap, and 410 00:28:05,953 --> 00:28:07,752 that they are going to get through this. 411 00:28:08,412 --> 00:28:13,362 And I don't want it to die because people now say, "Well, I'm going to have to pay 412 00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:17,563 $300 to fix these three cats, and I don't have the money, so those cats are just 413 00:28:17,622 --> 00:28:19,272 going to have to have babies." 414 00:28:19,513 --> 00:28:24,402 We found the opposite. It's actually working the opposite because when we were 415 00:28:24,417 --> 00:28:29,172 doing the voucher program, and we had all the extra paperwork that we created, a 416 00:28:29,203 --> 00:28:31,857 lot of the people said, "You know, I don't really want all this, and I just want 417 00:28:31,872 --> 00:28:37,737 maybe $100." And $100 is kind of a new fee, and that's easy to come up 418 00:28:37,752 --> 00:28:43,393 with. It's not that hard. So $100 for fixing a spay of a female or a 419 00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:46,662 male is a great deal. It includes the rabies vaccine. 420 00:28:47,232 --> 00:28:51,432 We have that cat on the table. We give them a pain shot always, and we let it go 421 00:28:51,492 --> 00:28:55,482 home. And then if they have fleas, mites, worms, or anything, we treat it. 422 00:28:56,022 --> 00:28:59,697 So the people can pay that extra for the worms and the mites and what have you if 423 00:28:59,742 --> 00:29:03,177 they like, but if there's not, we're still going to treat that cat while we have 424 00:29:03,192 --> 00:29:03,328 that cat. 425 00:29:03,522 --> 00:29:03,912 Oh. 426 00:29:05,472 --> 00:29:05,757 Whoops. 427 00:29:06,313 --> 00:29:07,393 Terry? 428 00:29:08,472 --> 00:29:08,862 Yes. 429 00:29:11,172 --> 00:29:11,772 Terry? 430 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,393 It's Bruce. Hello, Bruce. How are you today? 431 00:29:16,482 --> 00:29:16,902 Damn it. 432 00:29:17,802 --> 00:29:18,252 Okay. 433 00:29:20,472 --> 00:29:21,492 Bruce, you're on. 434 00:29:23,232 --> 00:29:23,893 Maybe he don't- 435 00:29:24,372 --> 00:29:25,031 Bruce? 436 00:29:27,522 --> 00:29:29,112 I don't know. 437 00:29:29,203 --> 00:29:30,792 Is he talking? Yeah. 438 00:29:30,972 --> 00:29:33,942 Yeah, he's got technical difficulties. 439 00:29:34,033 --> 00:29:37,377 Oh, technical difficulties. Bruce, are you there? 440 00:29:37,453 --> 00:29:37,467 Yeah. 441 00:29:37,513 --> 00:29:43,347 Okay. So you're saying the program will go on whether or not it's funded by the 442 00:29:43,347 --> 00:29:49,033 city. So it sounds like we're not going to end people's ability to 443 00:29:49,063 --> 00:29:53,277 continue what we've started, and that is to be able to get the cats fixed so that 444 00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,092 we continue to reduce population. 445 00:29:55,152 --> 00:30:00,792 What I want mostly is for us to be on the same page as 446 00:30:00,822 --> 00:30:06,612 far as the solution, to be the humane answer for our community 447 00:30:06,732 --> 00:30:11,397 because we're making an impact with the other counties that are coming up. 448 00:30:11,442 --> 00:30:16,783 They have the same problem, but they're coming up in a trend of the food 449 00:30:17,143 --> 00:30:21,492 bans, I believe, and the responsible feeders, even if you have to get to the point 450 00:30:21,522 --> 00:30:25,842 of certifying them, like what's going on in Shasta County, which is disastrous. 451 00:30:26,203 --> 00:30:30,042 But they've got a whole mess up there as well with a lot of starving cats because 452 00:30:30,313 --> 00:30:36,042 the stray cats, the feral cats, community cats, they're an abandoned cat. 453 00:30:36,882 --> 00:30:41,292 Somehow or another, the route is people move, and they leave them. 454 00:30:41,442 --> 00:30:46,212 That's a big cause. We have a lot of those cats. So that's how they come about. 455 00:30:46,332 --> 00:30:52,302 So, it's a slow death of starvation for them cats 456 00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:55,842 if not being fed in the traps. And we don't want to see that because then you get 457 00:30:55,872 --> 00:31:00,972 the disease factor. Doctor, uh, councilman, uh, 458 00:31:02,172 --> 00:31:02,382 well- 459 00:31:03,912 --> 00:31:05,112 John. John Durden. 460 00:31:05,442 --> 00:31:09,972 John, that's awesome. We were going to see, four, few years ago, we were finding 461 00:31:10,302 --> 00:31:14,082 dead kitties on the ground on the way to school, and the kids were picking them up. 462 00:31:14,592 --> 00:31:19,122 So we don't want that. Yeah. It sounds like what we can offer you probably, and 463 00:31:19,212 --> 00:31:24,776 this will be a five-member decision, but maybe rather since we are in dire need of 464 00:31:24,822 --> 00:31:29,052 the funds to stay in the city's conquer, if you're very healthy, obviously, and 465 00:31:29,082 --> 00:31:33,522 you're able to continue the mission that you've started, maybe what we can do is 466 00:31:33,582 --> 00:31:37,453 exactly what Alex said. Maybe we can participate in assisting you with an 467 00:31:37,513 --> 00:31:43,063 educational program, either through our mailers, we have bill mailers, an 468 00:31:43,122 --> 00:31:48,672 educational program that educates the public on the need to continue to 469 00:31:49,092 --> 00:31:53,893 work towards a sustainable population of cats that are healthy. 470 00:31:54,283 --> 00:31:59,082 It's your legacy because you're going to be remembered as being kind to the cats in 471 00:31:59,112 --> 00:32:04,063 a humane way. You're not going to be on the record for other ways that are not that 472 00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:08,563 good and that don't really work. Thank you very much for all the information you've 473 00:32:08,592 --> 00:32:12,672 provided us tonight and for all the work that you're putting in to take care of our 474 00:32:12,703 --> 00:32:15,912 kitties and our community as well. Thank you. Okay. 475 00:32:16,063 --> 00:32:20,292 So I think with all that being said, I don't think there's even a... 476 00:32:20,322 --> 00:32:22,347 What needs to follow? To kill- 477 00:32:22,513 --> 00:32:25,152 I'm sorry, I just saw the shirt of one member of the audience. 478 00:32:25,242 --> 00:32:28,946 I'm sorry if I'm laughing. I finally read it. I didn't know what it said. 479 00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:34,227 I think just for clarity, it'd be useful for, if you'd be willing to say, that's 480 00:32:34,242 --> 00:32:37,422 what I'm hearing. To re-designate 481 00:32:39,162 --> 00:32:39,717 to the general public. 482 00:32:39,717 --> 00:32:42,477 That would be my motion then, is some quick question. 483 00:32:44,022 --> 00:32:44,862 Is that a resection? 484 00:32:45,432 --> 00:32:46,572 Yeah, my motion. 485 00:32:46,662 --> 00:32:49,722 Oh, it can be. It can be. 486 00:32:49,737 --> 00:32:49,737 Okay. 487 00:32:49,737 --> 00:32:49,737 Make the motion. 488 00:32:49,872 --> 00:32:49,947 You should. 489 00:32:49,947 --> 00:32:53,533 No, you can do it if you want. 490 00:32:53,563 --> 00:32:58,813 Well, I make a motion that the $25,000 previously designated for the feral cat 491 00:32:58,872 --> 00:33:04,722 program be returned to the general fund, designated for 492 00:33:04,813 --> 00:33:08,352 other means of the community. And that 493 00:33:10,002 --> 00:33:10,182 we 494 00:33:11,982 --> 00:33:16,542 have a discussion about additional means of supporting the program 495 00:33:16,632 --> 00:33:19,872 by education. Can I do that? 496 00:33:20,502 --> 00:33:21,626 You can. 497 00:33:21,643 --> 00:33:22,902 Do I even need to do that? 498 00:33:23,172 --> 00:33:24,342 No, probably not. That was- 499 00:33:24,643 --> 00:33:24,972 We were talking, if you- 500 00:33:25,302 --> 00:33:25,467 Yeah. 501 00:33:25,752 --> 00:33:27,042 Direction, I think it's good. 502 00:33:27,372 --> 00:33:27,388 Okay. 503 00:33:27,432 --> 00:33:27,672 Yeah. 504 00:33:29,802 --> 00:33:33,283 Because I think that would help. People need to know that they do have the vehicle 505 00:33:33,342 --> 00:33:35,862 too, because I don't want to see it go backwards. 506 00:33:36,612 --> 00:33:39,672 It really has been successful once it's started. 507 00:33:39,732 --> 00:33:44,893 So second to my first half of the motion. Okay, all those in favor? 508 00:33:45,432 --> 00:33:45,672 Aye. 509 00:33:46,212 --> 00:33:48,552 Opposed? None. The motion is carried. 510 00:33:48,582 --> 00:33:49,992 Thank you, Ms. Johnson. 511 00:33:50,022 --> 00:33:50,772 Thank you, Mandy. 512 00:33:52,662 --> 00:33:52,992 Oops. 513 00:33:55,453 --> 00:33:56,442 I have bottle babies. 514 00:33:56,967 --> 00:33:57,612 That's all right. 515 00:33:58,602 --> 00:33:59,143 Thank you. 516 00:34:02,563 --> 00:34:03,612 All right. 517 00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:05,967 Okay. 518 00:34:10,062 --> 00:34:11,592 That's all right. 519 00:34:11,652 --> 00:34:17,112 And how Carrie has been doing this actually put Oregon on the map in a very 520 00:34:17,292 --> 00:34:22,182 positive way. She literally has thousands upon thousands of followers 521 00:34:23,022 --> 00:34:24,102 of her 522 00:34:25,513 --> 00:34:30,552 hidden treasures out there from all over the world and for the care that we 523 00:34:30,612 --> 00:34:33,672 provide as a community for our cats. 524 00:34:33,792 --> 00:34:36,822 So that's a good positive thing for Oregon. 525 00:34:37,768 --> 00:34:37,768 Yep. 526 00:34:37,783 --> 00:34:41,232 These items. Okay, we're going to move on to the next one. 527 00:34:41,292 --> 00:34:43,572 Thank you for your patience while I move yours. 528 00:34:47,232 --> 00:34:52,332 824 Fourth Street. Did you want to make a discussion, Dustin? 529 00:34:54,013 --> 00:34:54,312 Sure. 530 00:34:56,893 --> 00:35:01,242 So this is another one of the issues that we've been sitting on the back burner but 531 00:35:01,332 --> 00:35:05,532 needs to get addressed. So I got you guys a history. 532 00:35:05,952 --> 00:35:07,992 I learned things about this property I didn't even know. 533 00:35:08,532 --> 00:35:13,062 So we got you guys a history, a financial analysis, and we're kind of looking for 534 00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:19,123 direction. It basically reads with history and then kind of a menu as to what some 535 00:35:19,152 --> 00:35:20,382 of your guys' options are. 536 00:35:21,672 --> 00:35:26,592 And then depending on choices of options as far as what we would do to move forward 537 00:35:26,607 --> 00:35:32,007 as staff. The biggest one, I guess I would like to say to you guys is winter's 538 00:35:32,052 --> 00:35:36,492 coming, and it's not weatherproof right now with that face open. 539 00:35:36,552 --> 00:35:42,492 So, at the very least, making a decision whether we're wrapping it back 540 00:35:42,522 --> 00:35:46,557 in plastic again, which has to be fixed several times every winter because as soon 541 00:35:46,572 --> 00:35:48,402 as there's a high wind, it opens it back up. 542 00:35:48,942 --> 00:35:52,242 But I would just like that, keep that in the back of your mind that that's coming, 543 00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:56,172 and we really need to do something so it doesn't get water damage in it if... 544 00:35:56,742 --> 00:36:00,222 Unless demo is the choice, then I guess that part doesn't matter. 545 00:36:00,282 --> 00:36:05,547 So it really is based on what you guys want to do with this building, or if you 546 00:36:05,592 --> 00:36:09,882 want to limit it down to a couple different options that we can look into for you. 547 00:36:10,032 --> 00:36:12,612 We're just trying to get this moving in a direction. 548 00:36:13,032 --> 00:36:17,862 Realistically, your next city manager's going to be dealing with this, but I'd like 549 00:36:17,893 --> 00:36:21,672 to just be able to hand them where something is a little bit narrower than this 550 00:36:21,882 --> 00:36:23,982 broad scope that you're looking at right now. 551 00:36:24,072 --> 00:36:29,427 So I think just a broad overview and some direction from you guys as to what you 552 00:36:29,502 --> 00:36:32,262 guys' thoughts are for the future of this thing. 553 00:36:32,322 --> 00:36:37,032 Well, thank you for a very in-depth report for us to sift through. 554 00:36:37,182 --> 00:36:40,032 It's got a lot of information. It does give us many choices. 555 00:36:40,842 --> 00:36:42,912 Do I have any public comment on this issue? 556 00:36:44,592 --> 00:36:45,132 Online? 557 00:36:46,873 --> 00:36:51,162 No. Okay. Then wait. Do you want to take the lead on this one? 558 00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:57,252 Yeah. So this starts before my first stint on city council, but I came towards the 559 00:36:57,312 --> 00:37:01,482 end of it. There was a lot of optimism at the time on the council. 560 00:37:02,262 --> 00:37:07,617 We were not yet aware that the Great Recession was looming, and real estate had 561 00:37:07,632 --> 00:37:09,102 been a very solid investment 562 00:37:10,476 --> 00:37:13,266 Now we have the benefit of hindsight. 563 00:37:13,746 --> 00:37:19,086 That was 2005 when this property was acquired, 2008 when I came on the council 564 00:37:19,626 --> 00:37:25,297 at the time of the Great Recession, which really changed the 565 00:37:25,686 --> 00:37:31,596 numbers. So here we are, literally 18 years later, and we 566 00:37:31,686 --> 00:37:36,591 still have a property that we've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in that 567 00:37:36,666 --> 00:37:40,686 currently is of no value to anyone, and in fact, is an expense 568 00:37:42,366 --> 00:37:48,276 at best, and an eyesore at least. I think it's pretty obvious to me that 569 00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:50,616 it's a great location for a future city 570 00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:56,226 facility because of its proximity to the existing police department. 571 00:37:58,236 --> 00:38:02,136 I think the best option is option two, and that is to demolish the site and 572 00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:07,177 eliminate the eyesore, eliminate ongoing cost, and more importantly, ongoing 573 00:38:07,236 --> 00:38:12,216 potential liability of a building that could come down, a building that could be an 574 00:38:12,246 --> 00:38:17,766 attractive nuisance to somebody who thinks this is "Call of Duty" 575 00:38:18,636 --> 00:38:20,646 in real life where you can go in there and play. 576 00:38:21,817 --> 00:38:25,956 I think it's the least expensive option right now, except for the option of doing 577 00:38:25,986 --> 00:38:28,567 nothing. And I don't think the option of doing nothing is an option. 578 00:38:28,836 --> 00:38:34,626 So if it were me, I would remove the property and make the site 579 00:38:34,686 --> 00:38:35,016 safe, 580 00:38:36,486 --> 00:38:41,721 and then allow a future time when the economics allow to see what's the best and 581 00:38:41,736 --> 00:38:46,236 highest use of that property, develop it for the city's use, is probably my 582 00:38:46,265 --> 00:38:51,516 preference, or sell it, and now you have a clean property that's more sellable for 583 00:38:51,547 --> 00:38:55,341 maybe a future business that could benefit the city of Orlando and the citizens of 584 00:38:55,356 --> 00:38:58,836 Orlando downtown. That's my recommendation. 585 00:38:58,896 --> 00:38:59,346 John? 586 00:39:01,956 --> 00:39:07,536 I'm sure everybody here and everybody on this council has a plethora of 587 00:39:08,317 --> 00:39:12,576 recommendations of what to do, and usually it's either you sell it or bulldoze it 588 00:39:13,297 --> 00:39:16,596 or give it to somebody who'd appreciate it more than us. 589 00:39:16,716 --> 00:39:21,427 Listening to everybody, I'm on board with option two, demolish, 590 00:39:21,547 --> 00:39:26,496 build something new, keep it to develop later. 591 00:39:27,396 --> 00:39:32,226 But I think the best thing right now would be is to see if 592 00:39:33,456 --> 00:39:38,061 somebody would be willing to buy it, at least get some of the money back, and 593 00:39:38,106 --> 00:39:41,166 hopefully that person would have the funds to do something quicker than what we'd 594 00:39:41,196 --> 00:39:42,726 be able to do as a municipality. 595 00:39:44,406 --> 00:39:47,436 That's where I'm at. I'm easy either way. 596 00:39:48,126 --> 00:39:52,686 Unfortunately, to do a city hall there, 597 00:39:53,376 --> 00:39:58,326 it's just too small of a site, especially as the town grows. 598 00:39:58,806 --> 00:40:00,606 We've got a library park across the street. 599 00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:04,746 But with that being said, for somebody else that wants to come in and develop it 600 00:40:04,776 --> 00:40:07,341 and do something really nice with it, like we've heard about other buildings 601 00:40:07,386 --> 00:40:12,996 downtown, other facilities, it would be really nice to see who 602 00:40:13,326 --> 00:40:18,817 bites and who is interested. That's my two cents. 603 00:40:18,876 --> 00:40:20,255 Mark? 604 00:40:21,696 --> 00:40:26,091 Since I was around back when we purchased that building, I was never a big fan of 605 00:40:26,136 --> 00:40:27,396 that building, to be genuine. 606 00:40:29,196 --> 00:40:33,110 Didn't think it was going to meet our needs because we had a big general plan put 607 00:40:33,156 --> 00:40:36,817 together, and they were talking about how big the city was going to be and stuff 608 00:40:36,846 --> 00:40:42,427 like that. I could see it's already outgrowing that block already for a police 609 00:40:42,456 --> 00:40:48,156 department. So for me, I agree with Wayne and John about option two, but I 610 00:40:48,186 --> 00:40:50,797 lean more towards option three of selling it. 611 00:40:51,246 --> 00:40:56,616 But I'm all for about demoing it also because I think it's prime location. 612 00:40:56,677 --> 00:41:00,456 But if you get somebody to make a good offer, I'm all about turning it down. 613 00:41:07,806 --> 00:41:11,946 I would say if I go with option two, demolish and build new. 614 00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:17,526 I personally would not want to sell the property because I think it's prime 615 00:41:17,586 --> 00:41:18,936 location. You're not going to 616 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:25,656 find other more properties within downtown to keep as 617 00:41:27,456 --> 00:41:31,056 public government property. You'd have to build outside the city, and we 618 00:41:32,526 --> 00:41:34,626 run the risk of relocating everything and 619 00:41:36,126 --> 00:41:39,547 trying to communicate between two different sites miles away, 620 00:41:42,547 --> 00:41:47,856 and trying to make it as multi-purpose as possible 621 00:41:48,427 --> 00:41:53,976 of a site so that maybe business, other city property, some 622 00:41:54,036 --> 00:41:56,166 campus, a deal. 623 00:41:59,047 --> 00:42:04,927 Yeah, so I'm up. Yeah. Okay. So I tend to go towards the 624 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,086 number three for a couple of different reasons. 625 00:42:07,177 --> 00:42:12,186 One is I think the estimates for demolition of that property are so far under what 626 00:42:12,216 --> 00:42:16,567 the reality is, like we have tried to get down and haul out that property. 627 00:42:17,286 --> 00:42:22,746 Personally, I know of a home that I owned that we had to haul off to debris because 628 00:42:22,776 --> 00:42:28,596 the house burned down, and it was $135,000 just to haul 629 00:42:28,626 --> 00:42:33,516 off to debris. This we're talking, it's already been established that there is 630 00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:38,826 hazardous materials in the building, so it's not just going to be hauled to the 631 00:42:38,886 --> 00:42:42,996 dump, it's going to be hauled to Coal River, roof of the house, for instance. 632 00:42:43,626 --> 00:42:46,761 So cost of demolition, I think, are going to far outweigh the value of the 633 00:42:46,776 --> 00:42:52,236 property. And as a couple of you said, the property is just too small. 634 00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:57,547 It's not realistic to think you're going to build Orland's future city hall, 635 00:42:57,636 --> 00:43:01,701 parking, and everything that needs to go with it on that tiny little parcel and 636 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:07,686 have it last very long. We already own the parcel that is contiguous where the new 637 00:43:07,716 --> 00:43:11,946 water tank was. That's a nice big parcel of property that if we're going to build 638 00:43:11,976 --> 00:43:15,891 it, let's build it where we have room to grow, not right there in the middle of 639 00:43:15,936 --> 00:43:20,076 town. And then the other reason is it doesn't, in my mind, have historical value. 640 00:43:20,121 --> 00:43:25,506 And although we don't feel that it's warranted for us to renovate that building, 641 00:43:25,746 --> 00:43:31,266 especially when the very first estimate was $130,000 just to get underneath 642 00:43:31,356 --> 00:43:36,156 it to the studs of the building to see what the structure actually is. 643 00:43:39,065 --> 00:43:43,071 Honestly, I think that we can build a building over on the other city-owned 644 00:43:43,206 --> 00:43:46,986 property and build something much nicer that allows room for growth. 645 00:43:47,556 --> 00:43:52,206 And this, the historical value, maybe a buyer would actually do something. 646 00:43:52,356 --> 00:43:55,641 I'm one of those people that bought a historical building that maybe others would 647 00:43:55,686 --> 00:44:00,306 have torn down. That's the 501 building that for a while was Discovery Center. 648 00:44:00,756 --> 00:44:05,961 It's now they just hauled in trash cans, and we have a doctor and his wife out of 649 00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:09,276 Chico that's just about to build a nice little coffee shop there. 650 00:44:10,177 --> 00:44:14,556 Only because I went in there and made the first effort because that building had 651 00:44:14,586 --> 00:44:17,256 been for sale for many years. Nobody wanted to touch it. 652 00:44:17,766 --> 00:44:21,726 I went in, I cleaned it up, I renovated it, I showed the real jewel of what's in 653 00:44:21,756 --> 00:44:23,886 this town, and so it was preserved. 654 00:44:24,486 --> 00:44:28,641 Purity Building very well, if you got the right buyer, might do that. 655 00:44:28,672 --> 00:44:33,306 And we have actually had, when I first came onto this council in closed session, we 656 00:44:33,366 --> 00:44:36,486 had very high interest in that building purchase at that day. 657 00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:40,626 So I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to find one of our local 658 00:44:42,006 --> 00:44:46,026 developers who has developed many of the other properties in this town. 659 00:44:46,177 --> 00:44:48,547 Don't know who that might be. I can tell you it won't be me. 660 00:44:49,386 --> 00:44:53,736 But one of those people may walk in there and decide that there's worth here and be 661 00:44:53,856 --> 00:44:57,366 able to turn it into a business complex with multiple offices. 662 00:44:57,427 --> 00:45:02,166 We're short on office space. We ourselves couldn't find office space to move City 663 00:45:02,181 --> 00:45:06,366 Hall to so that we could serve the congregation on the police department, but maybe 664 00:45:06,427 --> 00:45:11,706 someone else will. So I think that before we just tear it down, spend the money 665 00:45:11,766 --> 00:45:17,751 that its value has, spend it all on a tear down, let's go ahead and offer it 666 00:45:17,797 --> 00:45:23,317 up for sale. And if we're able to sell it, then that's going to be money for us to 667 00:45:23,706 --> 00:45:28,956 start really seriously thinking about the next city hall, because we still need to 668 00:45:29,016 --> 00:45:32,136 do it. The police department needs to be able to expand in that space. 669 00:45:32,677 --> 00:45:35,047 So let's get that done. That's my vote. 670 00:45:35,136 --> 00:45:37,956 So at this point, I guess I need a motion to somebody. 671 00:45:38,856 --> 00:45:40,656 You're seeking direction, is that correct? 672 00:45:40,746 --> 00:45:41,181 Or is it just direction? 673 00:45:41,181 --> 00:45:42,246 You're seeking direction. 674 00:45:43,116 --> 00:45:48,336 Is the direction a motion of one, two, three, four, five? Or what's a motion? 675 00:45:48,876 --> 00:45:50,556 What is direction? What should we do? 676 00:45:50,646 --> 00:45:52,596 It can be whatever the council- 677 00:45:52,672 --> 00:45:52,672 Do you have a preference? 678 00:45:52,672 --> 00:45:56,526 ... agrees is the best option. So I like what you said. 679 00:45:56,586 --> 00:46:01,146 What I basically heard is option three is plan A, and option two is plan B. 680 00:46:01,206 --> 00:46:05,646 And I'm 100% comfortable that if somebody would buy that and make it a useful 681 00:46:05,677 --> 00:46:09,936 amenity for the citizens of Orland in a downtown business district, that's ideal 682 00:46:09,996 --> 00:46:10,567 for everyone 683 00:46:11,814 --> 00:46:16,404 Given that we do have property here, not my first choice. 684 00:46:16,554 --> 00:46:20,349 I think your choice over there on the road with the right way, that land that's for 685 00:46:20,394 --> 00:46:25,525 purchase there is the ideal place to expand city offices and city government. 686 00:46:25,584 --> 00:46:25,764 So 687 00:46:28,134 --> 00:46:30,264 I'm perfectly comfortable with that kind of direction. 688 00:46:30,744 --> 00:46:33,174 Pursue the sale, but not forever. 689 00:46:33,234 --> 00:46:33,474 Yeah. 690 00:46:33,564 --> 00:46:35,574 I don't want to be talking about this in two years. 691 00:46:35,963 --> 00:46:40,525 If nobody buys, nobody buys, then I think we were talking about option two, and 692 00:46:40,584 --> 00:46:42,294 figuring out how to pay for that. That 693 00:46:44,394 --> 00:46:49,164 might be our cleanup grant that we might look for, a city beautification grant, a 694 00:46:49,764 --> 00:46:52,584 downtown improvement grant, whatever they want to call it. 695 00:46:53,724 --> 00:46:57,699 If it exists, that would be what I would call plan B. 696 00:47:00,414 --> 00:47:02,275 So I guess you would investigate 697 00:47:04,164 --> 00:47:07,164 maybe a stage to get this appraisal? 698 00:47:07,224 --> 00:47:10,824 Yeah. We're looking to get an appraisal and a real estate agent, and that's the 699 00:47:10,884 --> 00:47:15,114 only thing I'd like to see if I can get you guys to agree to, is if we're going to 700 00:47:15,174 --> 00:47:19,164 look at trying to sell it, at least spending a little bit of money to wrap it back 701 00:47:19,254 --> 00:47:24,924 up so we don't incur more damage. Like somebody earlier going into winters, 702 00:47:25,105 --> 00:47:28,824 maybe try to do something to weatherproof that exposed face. 703 00:47:29,304 --> 00:47:30,714 Yeah, we do that anyways. 704 00:47:30,775 --> 00:47:33,474 Yeah, we do do that anyways. I just want to make sure you guys are good. 705 00:47:34,224 --> 00:47:38,394 We'll use a little bit of option four. It's tied together. 706 00:47:38,409 --> 00:47:40,869 Why don't you do pre-appraisal stuff? 707 00:47:40,869 --> 00:47:41,484 We'll see what... 708 00:47:42,864 --> 00:47:43,044 Okay. 709 00:47:44,844 --> 00:47:45,684 Understood. 710 00:47:45,775 --> 00:47:48,503 Okay. That's good. 711 00:47:48,894 --> 00:47:50,379 Okay. 712 00:47:50,544 --> 00:47:54,804 So we have the resolution for a memorandum of understanding with the United Public 713 00:47:54,924 --> 00:48:00,129 Employees of California Local 792 general unit for the period July 1, 2026 through 714 00:48:00,234 --> 00:48:01,855 June 30, 2027. Justin? 715 00:48:05,244 --> 00:48:06,714 Yeah. So in the last closed session, 716 00:48:08,574 --> 00:48:13,389 I believe all the terms were agreed to between the city and the union, and 717 00:48:14,214 --> 00:48:16,914 everything was formalized and voted on and passed. 718 00:48:16,974 --> 00:48:22,734 And so we're just bringing it to you for the final piece to finish this up for the 719 00:48:22,764 --> 00:48:25,494 year, for the memorandum of understanding. 720 00:48:25,734 --> 00:48:26,739 Any public comments 721 00:48:28,254 --> 00:48:30,294 online? No. Okay. 722 00:48:33,054 --> 00:48:35,544 I think we've kind of fairly well covered this- 723 00:48:35,634 --> 00:48:35,814 Yeah 724 00:48:36,114 --> 00:48:38,605 ... previously. So motion please. 725 00:48:39,054 --> 00:48:44,724 I would make a motion to adopt resolution number 2026 next in line, which is a 726 00:48:44,754 --> 00:48:49,599 resolution of the city council, or the City of Orland, approving a memorandum of 727 00:48:49,644 --> 00:48:53,364 understanding between the City of Orland and the employees represented by the 728 00:48:53,394 --> 00:48:59,094 United Public Employees of California Local 792 general unit for the 729 00:48:59,184 --> 00:49:04,224 one-year period effective July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027. 730 00:49:05,754 --> 00:49:06,114 Second. 731 00:49:07,254 --> 00:49:08,154 All those in favor? 732 00:49:08,574 --> 00:49:08,964 Aye. 733 00:49:09,144 --> 00:49:15,099 Opposed? No. Motion carries. So now we go to the resolution approving a memorandum 734 00:49:15,099 --> 00:49:19,764 of understanding with the United Public Employees of California Local 792, the 735 00:49:19,855 --> 00:49:24,894 mid-management unit for the period July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027. 736 00:49:25,494 --> 00:49:29,814 Any discussion with public and comments? No. 737 00:49:30,144 --> 00:49:36,099 Nothing online. I believe we're probably in a position where 738 00:49:36,144 --> 00:49:41,439 we just were that we've had live discussions and already agreed and been home with 739 00:49:41,439 --> 00:49:44,124 this stuff. We have read through the resolution. 740 00:49:44,169 --> 00:49:44,169 Yeah. 741 00:49:44,184 --> 00:49:48,954 And it's in line with what we have previously agreed to, therefore a motion. 742 00:49:51,984 --> 00:49:52,494 Go ahead. 743 00:49:53,394 --> 00:49:56,754 I hear none. I would again make a resolution approving a memorandum of 744 00:49:56,814 --> 00:50:00,999 understanding with the United Public Employees Union of California Local 792 745 00:50:01,194 --> 00:50:07,105 mid-management unit for the period July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027, 746 00:50:07,554 --> 00:50:08,814 as indicated in the packet. 747 00:50:09,025 --> 00:50:11,304 I'll second the motion. 748 00:50:12,234 --> 00:50:15,894 Okay. So the motion made is seconded. All those in favor? 749 00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:16,569 Aye. 750 00:50:16,914 --> 00:50:20,275 Opposed? No. That motion carries as well. 751 00:50:20,454 --> 00:50:23,724 So we now have a city manager verbal report. 752 00:50:23,769 --> 00:50:26,904 Anything new, Justin? 753 00:50:27,114 --> 00:50:33,054 On a good note, last Monday here as a flyer went out into the world to 754 00:50:33,084 --> 00:50:34,434 hire the new city manager. 755 00:50:34,525 --> 00:50:34,734 Yeah. 756 00:50:35,094 --> 00:50:36,864 So, staff helped with 757 00:50:38,364 --> 00:50:42,834 creating a little bit more warm and friendly atmosphere in it, and everybody felt 758 00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:46,224 it was a little on the cold side, but some input from staff added some- 759 00:50:46,344 --> 00:50:46,584 Yeah 760 00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:50,304 ... people and some life to it through some of the photos. 761 00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:54,775 So everybody participated in trying to get that out and get it finished. 762 00:50:54,804 --> 00:51:00,564 I believe September 25th is your close on it, and so hopefully we come back with 763 00:51:01,314 --> 00:51:03,624 lots of good applications for you guys to review. 764 00:51:04,764 --> 00:51:04,944 Okay. 765 00:51:06,025 --> 00:51:06,864 I believe 766 00:51:08,514 --> 00:51:11,409 we'll be able to bring waste management to you guys at the next meeting. 767 00:51:11,634 --> 00:51:17,004 I had a nice little talk with Jonathan about the waste management contract, and I 768 00:51:17,065 --> 00:51:20,244 believe a very simple resolution to that will be coming. 769 00:51:20,424 --> 00:51:24,548 So I'm hoping we can get that presented to you guys at the next city council 770 00:51:24,594 --> 00:51:29,694 meeting, which will take care of quite a few of our outstanding issues that we 771 00:51:29,754 --> 00:51:29,994 have. 772 00:51:31,344 --> 00:51:35,334 I know Joanne's working hard on trying to close out some of the delinquent stuff 773 00:51:35,364 --> 00:51:40,000 with the state under finance. We're closing out some of the delinquent stuff with 774 00:51:40,044 --> 00:51:42,804 the housing with the state. So I believe, 775 00:51:44,454 --> 00:51:47,275 fingers crossed, that we're actually going to make it across the finish line and 776 00:51:47,724 --> 00:51:53,125 get all those things done in time. So this should make, I'm hoping, for a pretty 777 00:51:53,184 --> 00:51:58,944 clean slate for your next city manager to walk in here and start dealing with 778 00:51:59,214 --> 00:52:00,384 the things you guys like to- 779 00:52:01,704 --> 00:52:02,844 Fantastic. Thank you. 780 00:52:04,044 --> 00:52:04,764 Any reports? 781 00:52:05,244 --> 00:52:07,674 Wonderful. Very impressive. 782 00:52:09,744 --> 00:52:10,164 Council? 783 00:52:11,724 --> 00:52:15,804 Real quick. Just wanted to thank Justin and his staff for everything that they've 784 00:52:15,819 --> 00:52:19,989 been doing. It finally feels like we're getting out of that stuck in a rut, and 785 00:52:20,004 --> 00:52:23,364 we're probably moving forward with everything. So I really appreciate that. 786 00:52:24,444 --> 00:52:28,044 The only thing I have is, I attended, we had a short waste management meeting last 787 00:52:28,104 --> 00:52:33,804 week. I think it was like a 20-minute meeting. That was it. That's all I know. 788 00:52:34,074 --> 00:52:34,554 Any additions? 789 00:52:34,914 --> 00:52:35,184 Yes. 790 00:52:37,134 --> 00:52:40,403 I attended the planning commission meeting last week, I think. 791 00:52:41,993 --> 00:52:46,780 There was a discussion about rezoning a property on South and Baps from Par 1 R3. 792 00:52:47,604 --> 00:52:50,650 That discussion will continue to the next planning commission meeting, so if you're 793 00:52:50,785 --> 00:52:55,839 interested, please attend. The recreation commission, I met with them at that 794 00:52:55,884 --> 00:52:56,694 meeting as well. 795 00:52:57,894 --> 00:53:02,394 Successful summer. Jujitsu classes continue for adults, so if you're interested in 796 00:53:02,424 --> 00:53:02,634 that, 797 00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:06,864 please check it out on the recreation website. 798 00:53:07,194 --> 00:53:09,084 And then soccer season begins for the youth. 799 00:53:11,155 --> 00:53:15,535 And then I wanted to... I was thinking about the EEC, 800 00:53:16,884 --> 00:53:20,905 the Economic and Development Commission, and the huge finance manager or director, 801 00:53:21,489 --> 00:53:27,025 and I was thinking maybe perhaps they can join forces and perhaps also do budget 802 00:53:27,054 --> 00:53:30,369 discussions or finance discussions, whatever that entails to 803 00:53:31,764 --> 00:53:37,194 kind of... Now that we have that avenue to increase awareness of 804 00:53:38,004 --> 00:53:41,184 transparency of the finances in Orland, the City of Orland. 805 00:53:41,634 --> 00:53:45,384 I think that's it. 806 00:53:45,834 --> 00:53:47,964 Dan? 807 00:53:48,025 --> 00:53:50,229 I'll just wait until you go through me. 808 00:53:50,259 --> 00:53:51,984 Oh, that's good. 809 00:53:52,044 --> 00:53:58,014 No, and then I totally echo what JC said, and for people that don't 810 00:53:58,044 --> 00:54:02,785 get to see Justin Chaney's face from the position I'm at, this man has done a 811 00:54:02,815 --> 00:54:05,785 wonderful job, but he absolutely does not like it. 812 00:54:06,504 --> 00:54:10,119 And for all of us in this world who have had to do things we do not like or are 813 00:54:10,224 --> 00:54:13,074 uncomfortable with, I appreciate him and I appreciate his staff. 814 00:54:14,304 --> 00:54:17,244 I cannot wait to get our chief back to do what the chief needs to do. 815 00:54:17,859 --> 00:54:21,429 And thank him for doing all the stuff he's doing, and especially his wonderful 816 00:54:21,474 --> 00:54:23,964 wife, Joni, who's putting up with him during the strike time. 817 00:54:24,655 --> 00:54:29,094 Other than that, I can echo what JC said. 818 00:54:29,244 --> 00:54:31,644 It's so nice to actually be moving forward. 819 00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:35,424 It's a breath of fresh air, and I will leave with that. 820 00:54:37,044 --> 00:54:37,315 Okay. 821 00:54:38,394 --> 00:54:41,514 Yesterday we had our first meeting of the ad hoc committee. 822 00:54:41,754 --> 00:54:47,453 Two representatives, myself and Council Member McDermott, met with Tony Ayren and 823 00:54:47,604 --> 00:54:52,269 Grant Carmona. Those are both county supervisors, including the president of the 824 00:54:52,315 --> 00:54:57,444 county board supervisors, along with the chief administrative officer for the 825 00:54:57,504 --> 00:55:02,815 county. That's Scott DeMoss. I'm going to tell you that it went exactly like we had 826 00:55:02,844 --> 00:55:08,348 hoped it would. We acknowledged that we're neighbors. We have common cause. 827 00:55:08,454 --> 00:55:10,375 We're public servants, and we're here for the people. 828 00:55:11,094 --> 00:55:17,035 And so this tax agreement largely got out of hand, but I think only because we 829 00:55:17,065 --> 00:55:22,554 didn't get together and talk like neighbors with common cause who care about the 830 00:55:22,644 --> 00:55:26,574 citizens of the county and cities that we serve. 831 00:55:26,664 --> 00:55:31,074 So I think that the results of this going forward, it will be ultimately the 832 00:55:31,134 --> 00:55:33,714 council's full participation that will matter. 833 00:55:34,194 --> 00:55:39,144 But I think we set the tone on both sides, and I think we are going to work through 834 00:55:39,234 --> 00:55:44,094 this. And the results of this, and I fully expect, will be good for all. 835 00:55:45,414 --> 00:55:49,944 So we have to participate. That's all I have to report. 836 00:55:50,035 --> 00:55:55,704 Okay. Very good. Again, I do believe this is First Friday, so the arts commission 837 00:55:56,544 --> 00:55:58,914 usually has the gallery open on First Friday. 838 00:55:59,094 --> 00:56:02,905 So if there's anyone out there that wants to go, I really like believing in the 839 00:56:02,934 --> 00:56:06,954 Rosendale Art Gallery right now. It's a fabulous direction. 840 00:56:08,334 --> 00:56:12,054 No, we call only report tonight, and thank you folks for coming. 841 00:56:12,114 --> 00:56:16,614 It's been a lovely meeting. Thank you.