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Welcome everyone. If you could please take a seat, we'd like to call the meeting to order for the Oral Valley Town Council Regular and budget study session, May 6, 2021. Mr. Standish, roll call, please. Vice Mayor Barrett.

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Here.

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Council Member Green.

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Council Member Jones Ivy.

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Council Member Murphy.

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Council Member Nicholson.

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Here.

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Council Member Rob.

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Here.

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And Mayor Windfield.

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We have six of seven members of Council President.

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Would you please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Sandish will announce upcoming meetings.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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The Water Utility Commission will hold their next regular session on May 11th at 5 p.m.

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and the Hopi Conference Room. Then the Tourism Advisory Commission will meet on May 18th at 4 p.m.

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and the Hopi Conference Room. The Budget and Finance Commission will hold their next meeting on May 19th at 4 p.m.

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here in the Council Chambers. And then the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board will hold their next meeting on May 19th at 6 p.m.

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and the Hopi Conference Room and then the next town council regular session is currently scheduled

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for May 20th at 6 p.m. here in the council chambers.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Standish.

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We'll go to council reports this evening.

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Council member Rob.

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Thank you.

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Perfect.

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I had the honor of going to, I think, called the Crystal Apple Awards, where they honored some of our

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local teachers, and I thought they deserved another mention.

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Mrs. Nichol Bratt and Brad Blanchard, excuse me, iron-rich high school, Eric Gutierrez from

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Lehman Academy, Cynthia Johnson from Cassidio High School, and Jose Obergon from Wilson

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K.8.

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And the coolest thing about this was that the students actually nominated the teachers then

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they went and they actually presented the awards to them and told them why they deserved

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it.

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So they got the chance to go up there and practice at talking skills and it was really a heartwarming

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ceremony.

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Also, on behalf of our Missing Council member today, Project Graduation is happening very soon

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and they desperately need some help with people setting up, tearing down and working

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the night off.

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So if you're so inclined and you're available, please go to the website and go to the

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Signup Genus Genus Genus Genus link and see if you can help.

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Thanks so much.

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Councilmember Green.

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Thank.

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One more. Councilmember Rod.

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Apologies. I forgot. I have one more.

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Also got to go to a youth pickleball tournament called Ready Set Pickle.

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It was in conjunction with our parks and rex folks.

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It was held at the Community Center.

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And they had a 150 youth participate in it this year.

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And it was really amazing seeing all the kids out there having fun.

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And one of our Councilmember's sons actually plays second.

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Councilmember Green. Thank you Mr. Mayor. In April we were treated to two brilliant discussions at desert springs.

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One was the status of water in oral valley by Peter Abraham and it was one of the most remarkable synopsis of the water situation I've ever heard anywhere.

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The second one was, what's going to happen on the other end of the bridge to nowhere?

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On the east side of Oracle, and that was delivered by Michael Spate.

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And both of those individuals kept the audience spellbound with their descriptions.

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I'm so grateful that we have such great staff.

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Thank you.

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Okay, we'll go to Mr. Wilkins, we'll present his report this evening.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Our partners at Golden Ranch Fire District asked us to present this new app that they,

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with our residents, so Nimble is a free program to Golden Ranch Fire District residents.

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The purpose of this is to reduce fall risk.

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So it's a combination of balance exercises and cognitive training.

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So the key benefits are improving stability, coordination, and confidence in everyday movements.

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And it's shown that 90% of the users report and improve confidence in steadiness.

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So thank you for our partners at the Goal to Ranch for bringing that to our attention.

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For upcoming events, it's filling fast.

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OV Parks and Rec hosting weekly summer camps.

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This is the camps that run from June to July for kids age six to 12.

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So, I believe we have just a handful of openings, so but you can go on to play OV.com to fill

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a slot.

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Also, our Celebrate OV Concert Series, again, this next Friday on May 8th, 6th, 8th, 8th,

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We have a band named Barnaby and the butcher and the food truck is 23 spices and then a week

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Beyond that on May 15th again, it's sick from 6.8 30 Southern Reigns band and the food truck is much premium

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Franks and sausages and then our movies on the line are kicking in so Saturday may 16th

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Zootopia 2 and it's a movie from just in 2025 so thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you Mr. Wilkins

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In reviewing the order of business for this evening, I'd like to recommend Council that we

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counseled the budget study session, given the fact that we had a successful Monday night

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budget study session in a, okay, all right. So with that, the budget study session is cancelled.

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Thank you. We'll go to call to audience, pursuant to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, Mayor and

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Council are not allowed to discuss, respond to or take legal action on matters, raised

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during call to audience at the conclusion of call to audience, Council members may direct

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town staff to review the matter, ask that the matter be placed on a future agenda or respond

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to criticism made by speakers.

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When I call your name, if you please come forward, state your name and whether or not you're

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a resident of Oral Valley, Sean Glazer.

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Hello,

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my name is Sean Glaser and I am a resident of Oral Valley Mayor, Council members.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons houses, papers and effects against

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unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrants shall issue but upon

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probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be

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searched and or the persons.

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Or things to be seized. This was in response to the rich of assistance, general warrants that allowed British officials to search any person or place that will. James Otis called these the worst instruments of arbitrary power, because they placed the liberty of every citizen at the mercy of any petty official. Today, the flock system assumes that roll. It collects everyone's movements, innocent, innocent, innocent, innocent, and this is expected alike and puts that information in the hands of every officer. This level of pervasiveness transforms mere observation into a search.

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While the Fourth Amendment doesn't ban searches, it mandates they'd be reasonable.

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While the Fourth Amendment doesn't, sorry, it is reasonable to be seen in public.

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It is not however reasonable for the government or anyone for that matter to compile a

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30-day search log of your movements. This is the definition of mass surveillance.

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Ignoring this, the council points to a transparency portal that offers no real protection.

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If they had actually indeed scrutinized the portal, they'd see it for what it is.

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A copy pasted marketing and template, identical to dozens of other cities,

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It provides no meaningful audit data and intentionally hides reality of data sharing,

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which isn't transparency its transparency theater.

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This portal doesn't prevent abuse at Maskset, which isn't hypothetical fear.

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It's a documented reality. Since 2024, at least 14 different officers nationwide,

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have been caught using this ALPR data for personal stocking.

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Most incidences came to light only after victims reported the officer's behavior to the police,

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typically in the context of a broader stocking allegation.

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When the oversight is a sham, we are forced to rely on the vendor's integrity, the

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flock safety.

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But that, unfortunately, is being exposed as a fraud as well.

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Just two weeks ago, while I was up here talking to you, Oshkosh Wisconsin, their city council

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voted 7-0 to rescind the flock contract, less than 24 hours after approval.

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Why?

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Because flock provided false information about their tracking capabilities to the council.

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The Oshkosh police chief, subsequently, the Oshkosh police was actually the one who was

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for this technology initially. He worth drew his recommendation stating that he could no longer

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recommend the flock. Do that this is misrepresentation. And the council member that was

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lied to, basically said, I don't like being lied to. I urge this council to follow that lead and

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stop trusting flock, protect our community and council to contract. And because I have a little bit

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more time, there's a Supreme Court case. I think from 1984, it was called United States first

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D. Ray, which stated the fourth amendment places obstacles in the way of two permeating a police

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valence, favoring foundational liberty over administrative efficiency, which is a very hot

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button topic today. The Fourth Amendment requires that law enforcement face friction, making

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the widespread automated surveillance in the old life lock, the violation of that principle,

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and with that, a yield of my time. Thank you.

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Colleen McCarthy.

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My name is Colleen McCarthy, and I do live in Oral Valley.

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Last Friday with my neighbors, I attended the HOA Sponsored Precentation by Quantum Fiber.

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We were a little bit surprised, they announced that they are the second of three fiber optics companies to move into ORL Valley.

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There were a number of other additional surprises during the presentation.

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It will be the only public meeting that will be held for quantum,

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even though they are currently planning on construction in a very small section of the town.

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They are planning to complete the construction over the next four years, and they told us

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that it will take 30 to 35 days to complete construction in each area.

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Then the notice came from the age, so that the notice came from the HOA and not the

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town was a little surprising, and some members in the audience, which by the way was very

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small, said the ignored the HOA email not attending until they received a door hanger

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said construction would begin very soon. They make great promises to be good neighbors and clean up

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after themselves, but you have to go through the HOA to get them to address the issues. As

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the HOA doesn't answer the phone and the doors are locked, you can only reach them through email.

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Attendees raised the issue, some quietly, some loudly that this was not a solution,

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but promises were made.

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My neighborhood just completed the wire construction six plus weeks ago.

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The work happened over about three or four work days as well as weekends, and I'll

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even though we were told that they never worked Friday through Sunday.

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It was longer for me as South West Gas decided that my gas line had to be replaced immediately,

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but wire-drunk dumped them off the work.

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But all in all, the insurance was short, but not terribly satisfactory.

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Some neighbors have had their front yards torn up and not put back appropriately.

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Some have had issues with water lines.

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Some of us have yellow flags or tuffty little yellow things throughout our yards.

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And both cold assacks have multiple paints on all over the road.

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When the town was contacted, we were told to contact the HOA.

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The HOA said it wasn't them, but to contact the town.

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I guess my questions are what's next?

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How long do we last with yellow tuffs and flags

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and paint all over our yard if you're trying to sell your house?

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That will be a downer.

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And to quote Abbott and Castella,

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who's on the first.

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Thank you.

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I have no other blue cards for call to audience.

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Mr. Wilkins in regards to this last statement, can you please provide council with some explanation or clarification as to when residents contact the towns.

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It's my understanding that we issue a permit to these companies.

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So it seems like we have some responsibility and we won't go into it.

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All right, we'll provide a report.

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Okay, thank you.

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We'll go to presentations, presentation, one, Mr. Standish, presentation of a graduating

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youth advisory council members.

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Our constituent services coordinator, Ms. Heind, will present this item.

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Thanks so short.

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Good evening, Mayor and members of Council.

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I'm Jessica Heind, and I'm the advisor for the oral valley youth advisory council.

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I'm here this evening to recognize the 2026 outgoing members of the Oral Valley Youth Advisory Council.

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First, I would like to thank you all for your continued support and the provided opportunities you have given the group as they continue to expand their presence within our community.

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The Youth Advisory Council's mission is to develop the voices of Oral Valley's youth and channel their passions to enhance our community.

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They aim to bridge gaps in the community by creating and participating in many town events and to serve as a voice for the youth and local government.

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Group has added an event to their yearly activities and hosted a very successful February movie night.

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The event had about 110 dees and will definitely be back next year.

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The act also wanted to adopt a section of tangerine road to promote the importance of keeping a community clean and continue to clean on tangerine between La Canata and La Choya Boulevard.

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Having worked closely with each of these young adults I can attest to their dedication and love for our community.

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It has truly been a pleasure working with them over the past few years.

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I am so excited to watch them all take on their next chapter

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and I know that they will make our community proud.

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I will now call each ongoing or outgoing member by their name

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and ask that you stand up with me for a group photo

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and may or if you wanted to come down.

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Thank you.

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So first we have Kenna Brock.

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She is from Basis, Oral Valley,

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and she will be attending Fordham University.

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I'll do the group photo.

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And then from South Point Catholic High School

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and our outgoing youth advisory council vice president

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is Eva Alvarado.

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and Eva will be attending Northwestern University.

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And I just want to say, because I think they skipped it,

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Ken is also our outgoing president of the Youth Advisory Council.

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And then from Ironwood Ridge and our outgoing Youth Advisory Council Secretary,

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Addison Blackburn, who will be attending Texas A&M.

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And then from University High School,

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said, Vika, Jigada, Savika will be attending the Frank Honors College at the University of Arizona.

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And then from Basis or a Valley, and our outgoing, or a Valley Youth Advisory Council

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Treasurer, we have Nihar Goal Poly, and Nihar will be attending Dartmouth College.

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Thank you, Jessica. Thank you, young people.

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Okay. The next item is the consent agenda. I do have two blue cards. This is a bit out

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of the ordinary, but I am going to invite these folks to come up. As a result, I'm going

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to pull item B and C from the consent agenda. So I move to approve A and D at the consent

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agenda. So I'm saying if I count some member green, any discussion,

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I can't remember Nicholson, we pull C to I did say pull.

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Thoughts are, but yeah, any discussion, I'm in favor say I, I,

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any opposed name. The eyes have it six zero. I'd like to invite

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Jennifer Stern to come forward. Please state your name and whether or not

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you are a resident of Oral Valley. This is related to item B of the

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and Centagenda, which is resolution number R-26-17,

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delegating authority to the Oral Valley Chief of Police

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to sign an interest subrecipient agreement

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between the town of Oral Valley

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and the Arizona Department of Homeland Security

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to find equipment under the Operation Stone Garden Program.

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Mr. Ern.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Council.

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My name's Jennifer Stern, and I live in Tucson.

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I am not a resident of Oral Valley.

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I just want to mention that the money that is coming in to buy night vision goggles for

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our police department here, recently that same budget stone garden, also provided drones

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to sound police departments recently.

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It's very interesting that your money that's supposed to be for Boro Valley is going outside

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for a valley. One, and the drones that you installed, they may be for like first-risk

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wander use, but they actually have been proven to be very unreliable, not checked, misused.

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And that happened to a Denver woman. She was taking a bath in the second floor of her home,

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and all of a sudden she looked out the window, and the police did confirm that they had a drone

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right outside her window while she was taking a bath.

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There are no protections for our privacy as citizens these days.

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And we don't know if this technology is going to be used for the immigrants that are supposedly labeled criminals,

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for just crossing a line, literally crossing over, trying to find a better life for themselves.

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Their infraction is just as civil disobedience.

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It's nothing more, and we are criminalizing them and putting them in concentration camps.

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These drones, and the night vision goggles that you want to approve,

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they could be used against citizens.

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And I also looked at the data.

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I like to ask interesting questions.

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When immigration crackdowns happen in this country, what does the data show?

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But that has shows that the wage distribution in the United States goes down for everyone.

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So we're literally putting criminalized militarized forces against people who are here trying to make a living and better place for themselves.

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Contributing to our taxes, contributing to our communities and we're voting against ourselves.

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We're investing against ourselves. The answer is not militarization. It's not, maybe we need to pay our police

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force more. I don't know. But there are things that police safety even come to mind. So another research, it's available on science direct.

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It basically says that the militarization of the police force increases killings by the police and reduces police safety.

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Each year police militarization in this article was from 2021.

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one, it results in 64 additional killings, 12,440 police officer assaults, and 202,653 police

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officer injuries.

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This is like tools we're investing in.

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We don't know the repercussions of what this new technology could bring.

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Mr. Stern, your time is expired.

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Thank you.

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I move to approve consent agenda item B, second, second, by Councilmember Nicholson, any discussion?

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Mr. Mayor.

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Vice Mayor?

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Can we just have our police representative address any of those concerns?

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No, we can.

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Mr. Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor, which ones would you like me to address?

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This is for night vision goggles, but it seemed like there was some concern that money was being funneled through a different program.

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This is just for night vision.

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This is just for night vision goggles that are being funded from unused funds in 2022

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that we had access to to upgrade existing equipment.

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And we've utilized operations, don't burden grants in the past, have we not?

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Just men we have.

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About how long have we been doing that?

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I'd have to look for the accurate time frame, but it's been a while.

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We use it for deployments over time funding and in some cases equipment.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I think we've been doing that most of the time that I've been on this council that we've been utilizing these grants and these have been coming forward on the consent agenda.

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So, I mean, favor of approving.

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Thank you.

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I just wanted to clarify those.

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Yes, thank you.

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Any more discussion?

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Councilmember Murphy.

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Commander, sorry.

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Here, back up.

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Just one quick question.

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Any of the monies that are approved for oral valley PD, do we pay for things for TPD, like drones?

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Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman Murphy, that's not my understanding of agency has to individually apply for grant funding for their own uses.

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All in favor, say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed, nay?

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Yes.

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Have it six zero.

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The next item that was pulled was item C.

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Resolution number R26-18.

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Approving an extension option to renew the intergovernmental agreement,

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IGA, between the Town of World Valley and P. Mcounty,

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for animal control services for one year.

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Sue Dugan.

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And Mr. Dugan, if you would please limit your comments to the animal

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control. There's two items on your card and when you come up if you would please

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state your name and whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley.

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Yep, my name is Sue Duchen and I live at La Resolve right above the bridge to

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nowhere. So I've been here a while. Animal control for five years I've had a

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them with feces being picked up in the yard. I've been here a couple of times in the past

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years about this and what I'd like to see, I know you contract out to Pima County but

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if you could include in that that they send enforcement officers out to take care of citizen

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complaints. Because you can get threatened, you could get shot. Everyone is really angry right now

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this country about everything that's going on. And no one needs to be threatened. So if you can,

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I mean, I also live in Colorado. I live in an area where we also contract out to the county,

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but they send offices out. If you call, low come out and take care of a problem,

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to someone gets bitten. What Pima does, they send a letter and they say, we'll send a letter to

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your neighbor and in three days you have to pick up the poop. In the meantime you have to

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police it yourself. That's that's where the danger is and that's my problem. So I'm hoping

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that you'll extend this contract to cover a little bit more other than what you have in

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not right now. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Wilkins, could you please provide council

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with a brief summary of the services that are provided to the town via this agreement?

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Okay, thank you.

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I move to approve item C of the consent agenda.

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Second, saying to like council member Green, any discussion?

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Council member Nicholson?

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Let's say I talked to the council member of Marana, a lovely council member of my

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ed less year at League of Cities and I know they do their own animal control and they

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very much like it and they thought if we work together pull resources and possibly do a

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lot cheaper have some financial savings and potentially better service, I mean she thought so

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and I respect her very greatly so I'm fine with having a year extension but I don't know

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we could have staff, talk to people, Marana, maybe save money and have a little better service

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for our residents' speech.

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My suggestion, Councillor Neckleson, is to bring that up as a future agenda item.

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Thank you.

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Vice Mayor?

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Can we have clarified how much we pay for this service?

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Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor.

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We actually don't pay anything.

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We had paid for the last five years.

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The arrangement is that any registrations for your animals would just go directly to

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I mean, I think that that's fair because our residents, our residents of Pima County, they pay property taxes to Pima County, and this is a service that they received from Pima County.

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So I don't know if there would be much cost savings in trying to do something different.

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So I'm in favor of continuing with this affordable way in system moving forward.

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It may be worth exploring.

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So if you want to bring it to a future agenda.

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get a second. Okay, so we have a motion on the table to approve a

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consent agenda item C, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed

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nay? The eyes have at six zero. I will go to regular agenda item one, Mr.

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Standish. Public hearing, resolution number R26-20, adopting the Oral Valley's

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path forward, general plan, and submitting it to the voters of the

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Thank you. We have a public hearing for this agenda item. I'm opening the public hearing now. When I call your name, if you would please come forward, state your name and whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley, Cheryl LaMona.

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My name is Cheryl LaMona and I am an Oral Valley resident. Before I moved here 20 years ago, I was never involved in local politics. I didn't even know what a general plan was.

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But five years later, I became active in our politics when a rezoning was

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erroneously being passed off as a text amendment, and I remained involved ever

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since then, and so this year I decided I would volunteer to participate on the

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revision for the general plan. While I only signed up for the development

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group, I discovered there was so much overlap with the other topics such as

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development affects water, it affects the roads. So I ended up participating in a number of

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other Zoom meetings with the other groups that were involved. Now resident guidance was really

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of utmost importance to me because we didn't want a repeat of what happened in 2003.

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And for those of you that don't know, in 2003, the plan update was defeated by the voters

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because by the time it got presented to Council for their approval, so many changes had been made that it no longer reflected what the people had expressed as their desires for the town.

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Well, it's probably no surprise to learn that one of the biggest controversies with that field plan was managing growth to preserve the character of or a valley, and that's still an issue today.

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For example, back then, one of the proposed changes with the land use maps would have eliminated the requirement for a formal application, would have bypassed the town's public process, and excluded input from neighbors.

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Well, that doesn't work. Well, in our valley, you've seen this room filled with people because

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so many or a valley residents want a voice. And that's why Molini and Bire and Renee,

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and all of the resident working groups have worked so hard to ensure that resident voices

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aren't reflected in the or a valley path forward plan. So in closing, I'd just like to publicly

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compliment Molini and Bire for their leadership during this revision. They distributed

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our homework in advance, so we would be familiar with the topics. The meetings were held via Zoom,

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at convenient times. They maintain civility on the calls, even when some of the group members

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had different opinions. And most importantly, they focused on us creating a plan that mirrored

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the guidance that was provided by the thousands of Oravale residents, so big thanks needs to go out to them.

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So, I feel confident that if you don't make any changes and you decide that you're going to vote in favor of this tonight that it will be well received by the town residents because their voices were heard.

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Thank you.

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Emily Varus, I apologize if I've mispronounced your name.

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Thanks, you got it. My name is Emily Varus.

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I'm an oral valier resident, and just to add a little bit more on there, I'm also a 36 year old mom of three kids in a stay at home mom, and I'm a member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

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I want to start by also thanking Melini and Byron Renee for their leadership and for making space for community voices throughout this process.

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As someone raising young children, I felt that it was important to represent my perspective.

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as the younger generation of families who are building their lives and investing in the future of this community.

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I'm so thankful that they made a direct effort to include me even when it required virtual meetings.

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It was really appreciated.

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I strongly support continuing investments in projects that make Oro Valley more usable and welcoming for families,

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including improvements like adding shade structures at neuron-hop parks, specifically over the play area.

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It directly impacts how often families and children and older residents can safely and comfortably

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use our parks and public spaces.

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I also believe it's important for oral valley to continue exploring indoor recreation and

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play opportunities for children during the summer months.

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For those of us that don't leave the city, you know, three or four months out of the year,

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we're still here in those 120 degree temps and being stuck inside with three little kids can

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be quite try. So I really want to encourage that the town continue to explore ways that they can

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support young families during those hot summer months as we've seen it get hotter and hotter and

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hotter. This plan matters because the decisions we make now will shape the kind of town our

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children go up in. I'm proud to support the work that's been done and grateful to have been part of

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the conversation. Thank you. Kate Hotten.

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Good evening. My name is Kate Hotten. I'm the cool executive

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director of the Coalition for Snow and Desert Protection. I am a resident of the city of Tucson,

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but we work across Pima County. I'm here tonight to speak in support of Oral Valley's

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draft general plan in front of you this evening. As part of this plan the town continues to do

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an incredible job with the Arroyal Grande and Tandrine 80 growth areas especially. These are two areas

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of unincorporated Pima County and state trust land that have been or are being planned with

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conservation in mind.

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For over 20 years now, work has been under way to permanently conserve open space in the

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Royal Grande.

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That's not only for all the benefits that we get from open space, but also because this

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area sits within a critical wildlife linkage between the Atlantic, Santa Canalena, and

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Tortolita Mountains.

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And wildlife linkage is just a connected, largely undeveloped corridor of land that allows

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wildlife to move freely between habitats in this case, the Santa Canalena Mountains, and

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toward elite mountains. In fact, not a bridge to know where that bridge earlier connects those two

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mountain ranges. This has been a long collaborative and science-backed effort involving the

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town of Oral Valley, Pima County, Arizona State land department staff, Sun City, and its residents,

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other community members, as well as environmental transportation experts, including the regional

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transportation authority.

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Based on research from aid aunt, Arizona

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Game & Fish Department and others,

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this linkage is one of the 16 highest priority

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in the State of Arizona out of 152.

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It also faces the highest development pressure of those 16.

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The conclusion from follow-up research

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is back in 2007 and eight is that future urbanization I

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quote, should not occur within this linkage.

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And because of that, the railroad Grand Day Wildlife

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quarter was planned into the special area policy in 2008.

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It's about 6,000 acres and roughly a kilometer wide.

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Since then we've seen continued investment in this quarter with that bridge that we heard

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mentioned this evening, also an underpass nearby.

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And importantly, this quarter is planned alongside appropriate development elsewhere in the

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are going to a planning area.

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It does not stop growth, but directs it to where it makes most sense.

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The nearby tangerine A80 growth area is also an incredible landscape, with mature ironwoods,

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Sahoros, and several high-value riparian areas, and its prime habitat for the cactus fruginous

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pygmy owl. The coalition looks forward to engaging in future public processes as that area

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moves towards a more detailed planning phase as well. So tonight we want to commend staff for bringing

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for a general plan that continues or a valley's forward

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of looking commitment to balancing the protection

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of its natural setting, which is stunning,

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while growing thoughtfully.

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And we are very pleased with Melinius,

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especially in her inclusion of us in that process.

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We encourage the Council to support this draft

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and to continue supporting conservation efforts

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in the Aurora Grande and Tangerine 880 growth areas.

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Thank you very much this evening.

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Colleen McCarthy,

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that's OK.

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My name is Colleen MacArthur and I still live in Oral Valley.

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Thank you for taking the time to review the work that so many community members and fabulous staff.

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That's a good idea.

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00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,960
Ms. Anderson's staff put into this project.

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We all feel that we know what's best for our neighborhood and what it can support.

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And I can say that I appreciated the good intentions of everyone in this project.

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Throughout the process, even in disagreement, people were always respectful, always thoughtful,

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always focused on what the community needs, but at the same time balancing what the residents have said,

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they really want Orovali to be.

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As a homeowner, I am interested in the future of Orovali, hoping my town will reflect my values and my vision for my home.

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as echoed in every thing that the town proclaims to be.

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Part of what drives my vision is something that a few of you know about

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my career in California.

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I worked in transportation in the Silicon Valley private sector,

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following the Loma Prieta earthquake.

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I was asked, I was called to testify before Congress about the efficacy

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of the programs I developed.

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From there, I was recruited to work for Santa Clara County on the nine-bearing counties on other transportation issues.

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I retired after working a nonprofit, low-income housing, and in 19-2022, I moved to Oral Valley after a great deal of research on the town except for the heat.

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I chose to participate in the Development Committee not because of my background in transportation,

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but because I felt that I wanted to sort my incredible neighbors who, like me, purchased their homes specifically for the

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In our 24-hour home neighborhood, excluding the five Airbnb and B's,

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Airbnb's or rentals, at least six households have worked in with or for government.

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So if Mike's neighborhood is an example, please do not ever underestimate the knowledge

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of our Ovalor residence.

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One thing I do feel obligated to say is regardless of this evening's outcome or the outcome of the election.

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I and we expect that whatever projects comes within 100 feet of our homes, there will be transparency and civil honesty from developers and from staff.

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It is what not what we experienced last time, but as to least we should expect.

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Thank you and I hope you move this forward.

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00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:47,360
Okay. Tom, I believe it's Tom.

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Mr. Pew, you've asked to speak for more than three minutes.

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I appreciate you asking, but I'm going to deny that

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out of respect for my council member staff and so on and so forth.

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This process has been going on for nearly three years

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with many opportunities to address the general plan.

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So you have three minutes.

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Okay.

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I think I can handle it in three minutes.

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So my name is Tom Pue.

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I live in Pima County.

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I'm happily a resident of Pima County.

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I moved here two years before your community was founded in 1972.

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And I represented the seedling of the California Foothill Association,

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which was incorporated in 1956.

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And it's an organization that represents over 1,700 homes.

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And we are absolutely firmly against being annexed by Oral Valley.

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We're very happy the way we are.

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And I appreciate the beauty of this area.

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But the Catalina Foot Hill Association is worked great for the last 52 years that I've lived there

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and before that, and its mission is to preserve the historic and cultural character, natural

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environment in the area, and to maintain the highest standard living for our residents.

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And we have our President of our organization, his written letters from our organization to this

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organization, to your, your, your Marin Council.

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And we receive no response.

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I brought seven copies of that and gave it to the deputy clerk this evening.

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I hope you all will pay attention to that.

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I hope you will respect our community as we respect your community.

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And you will cease trying to annex areas that do not want to be

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vassal states of or a valley as beautiful as or a valley is.

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So thanks very much.

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I'll see you guys again if you persist in the annexation of my area, thanks a lot, Mayor.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Rosa Daley.

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Good evening.

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My name is Rosa Daley, and I'm an aura valley resident.

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I want to first thank Mr. Velah, Ms. Sylvia and Ms. Sims for three years of outstanding work.

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I intended to, I attended the beginning meetings and then attended, intended to attend the parks and wrecks section.

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And like Miss Lamanna, I got sucked into the whole thing.

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And I pretty much attended every meeting, except maybe the transportation meetings.

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And she's absolutely correct that there's a lot of overlap among the different sections.

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What I found most interesting is how often...

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Or a valley residents agree on the future of the town. I think that this statistically projectable surveys were pretty fascinating and pretty consistent.

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And so I found that our job was to enhance, but not to change. And the only time we had a little difficulty was on building heights.

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So I'll just bring that out for all of you that was something that I think took the most amount of time and I think we all still remain civil

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But for the most part there were discussions about keeping buildings to two and three stories versus five and six, but other than that

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I think that it was congenial and we put together a pretty good plan that I think really does reflect the consensus of

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most of the residents of Oravali. So I want to thank the staff at planning and zoning for putting

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up with me and because I did speak up a lot and also for just like being so professional

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and so detail oriented. I just can't thank them enough for the amount of work they put into this and

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they made it a pleasure for all of us to be a part of it. Thank you. I have no other blue cards

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And before I close the public hearing, this is your opportunity to speak to this agenda item.

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So if you're here tonight and wanting to speak, I would need you to fill out a blue card and to bring it forward immediately.

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Seeing no one getting up out of their seats, I'm going to close the public hearing and principal planner Ms. Sims will present this item.

532
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:49,060
Good evening, Mayor.

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Council, my name is Moini Sims and I'm a principal planner with the Town of Borough Valley.

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So our purpose with this item is to affirm, rather the final resident recommended

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your draft of Ovis Path Forward, is ready to be placed on the ballot for resident consideration.

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Tonight, it makes Mark's a major milestone in this effort to create and adopt a new

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tenure plan.

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Before I get into the details, I want to take a moment to look at everything that residents

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have accomplished over the last few years. Looking at these numbers, they're truly remarkable.

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And I really hope that the community knows that this is something they should be proud of.

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It really does show how much care and commitment there is in this community and for their community.

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So, on behalf of all staff, but especially Reneo Vera, Bairvella and myself, I want to congratulate

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and recognize the thousands of residents who lent their time and voice to create this plan.

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As you saw, some of those dedicated residents are in the audience this evening.

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So we can't I'd like to just take a round of applause for them as well.

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Staff did provide a precursor and some information about the final resident recommended drafts.

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Who the council a few weeks ago?

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So some of the information in my presentation tonight will look familiar.

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but there's also new information for the Council to consider.

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The draft before either this evening maintains the same direction that Council provided in September with the 60% draft and is very similar to the 90% draft that was published in January.

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Therefore the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended adoption.

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Town Council adoption signifies a plan again as ready to be placed on the ballot for voter consideration.

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And if approved by the voters in November, it will guide town decisions over the next 10 years.

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The plan is divided into four main chapters.

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It reflects resident schools for all major topics that influence or values quality of life.

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And while many of these are required based state law, it does exceed state requirements by incorporating topics that residents identified as important.

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And I also want to mention that as part of the development section, there is the Landjuice map,

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just to respond to some of the comments you just heard.

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The Landjuice map does include a planning area, but that is a no means an annexation strategy.

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We did receive letters from the Catalina Fitt Hills Association and did respond with a formal letter,

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but we will reach out to make sure they got that.

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The plan also reflects resistance values, specifically to the support community safety, having

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outdoor lifestyle, having outdoor lifestyle and conserving scenic views, as well as the natural

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environment. It also includes their aspirations for the future, with most of the new projects

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really focus on attracting businesses, having gathering spaces and more things to do even

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those recreational opportunities. And throughout the process, residents worked really hard to

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to different views and create a plan that achieves balance and meets the needs of a diverse

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community.

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The effort to create OV's path forward started three years ago with residents creating

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an award-winning brand and community engagement plan. Today, this has been the most extensive

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community engagement effort that the town has done for any project. To speak a little bit more about

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the remarkable resident driven process is Tom Baka, the president of Gordi Group.

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Gordi Groups is an expert in marketing and has worked with several jurisdictions around

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the region on their general plan.

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Mr. Baka.

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Thank you, Ms. Sons. Good evening, Mayor Council.

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Thank you for the time to speak today.

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I was asked to share a bit of my perspective on the community engagement efforts and their

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impact on the final general plan document you're considering today.

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In my experience over the last three years on this project and considering our public participation

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work in general, I must say the town of Oravale takes community engagement to heart.

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The level of outreach scene during the general plan's development is among the most involved

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efforts I've experienced in our region.

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The community engagement results that were achieved in the preparation of Oravale's

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for general plan, far exceed the outcomes of nearby jurisdictions in terms of the feedback

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00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:37,900
received per capita. This is the ultimate in public participation as defined by the international

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association for public participation that public engagement practitioners like me and our team

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members at Gordon Group adhere to. How did this happen? Planning started by including residents

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from the beginning. We typically ask staff what works and what doesn't when it comes to

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community engagement. And we did that here too. But what was unique is that we also agreed

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that we should ask residents to chime in prior to the creation of our community engagement plan,

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which was used for reaching out to the public throughout this year's long, this years-long process.

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We conducted a community survey that partnered over 700 responses, which helped us determine

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what, how, and when to communicate. That extra step is not typical of...

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Other jurisdictions and is an important investment made here in Oro Valley to help ensure that you connect with residents based on their preferences.

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Finally, in working with town staff, we witnessed and were part of the meticulous efforts, put forth to ensure that this general plan truly reflects residents' voices, and all the work that so many put forth in its development.

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I wholeheartedly believe that the Oral Valley Path Forward general plan that resulted from

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this highly collaborative process is a prime example of the public engagement work that

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our firm does, but I'm not saying it's because of our work that anything that we did,

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it was really the community residents and town staff that made this happen and you should

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We proud of this plan based on the level of engagement and the thousands of comments that

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reflects.

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Thank you, Ms. Sims.

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Thank you, Mr. Baca.

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So, just a few more details about residents' accomplishments over the past few years.

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In phase one, again, thousands of residents top by booths, put comments online or took

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a survey to help identify their values and priorities for the future.

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Although multiple methods were used, the results were surprisingly similar, with themes

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being transformed into a big picture vision statement and guiding principles. These were also

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00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:59,110
then reviewed and improved by residents before being accepted by council.

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Next, residents collaborated with one another to develop the goals, policies, and actions

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that honor and reflect the substantial guidance received in phase one.

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Residents gave up many of their evenings to consider all perspectives and draft deliberate and

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meaningful and precise language to create a plan that achieves

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ballots.

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Again, a meticulous effort was made to achieve

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resident consensus on the final draft. This included

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multiple resident reviews, which helped refine the plan and

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affirm that it was headed in the right direction and reflecting

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residents. In December, residents reconvened to discuss areas that

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needed additional guidance. This included the Performing Arts

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central gathering area, views and more.

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During these meetings, residents were able to achieve consensus on all aspects of the plan,

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except for the policies related to views.

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And although most of the residents were fine with the language in the 60% draft that the council accepted,

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they couldn't all come to a consensus.

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However, they did decide to leave the policies as accepted with the 60% draft with no changes.

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In addition to residents and the community members, other town departments, local and state agencies

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also reviewed the plan to help make sure the actions will meet resident goals and also

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make sure that all the information was accurate.

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00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:40,610
So although there were proofreading edits made in this final draft that you have before you this

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evening, there were no big shifts from the drafts that were previously reviewed by the community

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or the town council.

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The planning and zoning commission, how two public hearings for the general

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plan in April, the purpose of the first public hearing was to gather community comments

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and commission comments to help with their decision making. The commission discussed the

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origin and implementation of expanding telecommunications and broadband services, the promotion of

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public hearings as well as the votes, and how the plan touches on sustainability.

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Ultimately, during the second public hearing, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended

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adoption with no changes.

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And then during the update presented a few weeks ago to town council, we did get some feedback

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and the discussion focused on the items listed on the screen.

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So in response to those comments, staff did include some potential changes in attachment to

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of your packet. That would mean teen residents intent but improve accuracy and clarity.

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So the action related to the Performing Arts Center is stems from the result from the

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statistically representative survey and developing this action with residents the intent to

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00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:05,670
ensure that the Performing Arts Center is financially independent from the town was made and also

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ensure that any support beyond information would require

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our community outreach.

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Some potential changes that the Council may want to consider

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is removing the reference to a feasibility study,

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which staff did find out has been completed

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and was distributed to the town council.

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The Council may also want to consider adding language

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to clarify the level and expectation for community outreach

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should any additional town support be considered in the future.

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Then similarly, 58% of residents wanted community gathering spaces.

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The most common one that was voiced by the community throughout the last few years was having

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more things to do places to go with their families and friends.

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The intent is to work with private developers to create these spaces and unify a quarter

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of them along Oracle Road, however residents work concern that solely

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relying on private development to create the gathering spaces.

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So they wanted to expand upon existing town-owned properties to help make this become a reality.

664
00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:20,330
And since the residents discuss this topic, I think the Council's intent to sell the property

665
00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:26,010
on push-view lane and Oracle, which is also known as Rooney Ranch, has become clearer.

666
00:58:26,010 --> 00:58:32,150
So the Council may want to consider revising any references to that property as being

667
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:34,650
town owned in the general plan.

668
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:42,830
And then as many of you know that the OVTRL's Connect Plan, it was approved by Council a

669
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:43,990
few weeks ago.

670
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:50,510
Many of the policies and actions in OVTRL's Connect are also in the general plan, but although

671
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:55,370
these plans complement each other, the Council may want to consider adding an action,

672
00:58:55,370 --> 00:59:01,050
specifically guide staff to implement the OV Charles Connect plan.

673
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:07,710
These changes respect the community's work, but they do improve clarity and accuracy for

674
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:13,070
the plan, and again, there are include in your packet as attachment to for your consideration

675
00:59:13,070 --> 00:59:13,650
tonight.

676
00:59:19,470 --> 00:59:24,830
So in summary, the final resident recommend a draft reflects the 10,700 comments received

677
00:59:24,830 --> 00:59:26,770
from residents over the past few years.

678
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:36,610
It's been reviewed and discussed by residents multiple times to achieve consensus, and there are no significant changes in direction between this draft and the previous drafts.

679
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:40,350
Therefore, the planning and zoning commission did recommend adoption.

680
00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:47,470
There are two motions before the council this evening. The first is to adopt the plan without any changes.

681
00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:53,410
And the second is to adopt the plan with the changes I just discussed earlier.

682
00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:59,950
Now, before I wrap up, I just want to remind folks, especially the residents listening to night that.

683
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,040
The general plan is unique because the adoption process does not end with the town council. In fact, there's still a lot more work to be done. Town council adoption does signify that the plan will be ready to be placed on the ballot in November and phase three residents decide will kick off in August.

684
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:26,760
And the purpose of that phase is to raise awareness and educate residents to empower them to make a decision at the polls in November.

685
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,960
The outreach will be very similar to phase one. You'll see roadways, science go up, postcards, go out.

686
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,560
A lot more marketing campaign around that.

687
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,500
And I'd actually like to end my presentation with a sneak peek of what's to come.

688
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:46,200
So I'd like to ask our staff if they could start, if they could play the short video.

689
01:01:05,170 --> 01:01:08,150
Or Valie's path forward will be on the ballot this November.

690
01:01:08,770 --> 01:01:13,730
It's a plan for the future created by residents that now must be approved by residents.

691
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:16,810
There's three things that you should know before you vote.

692
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:21,450
Number one, this is the residence plan that will guide Orow Valley's future.

693
01:01:22,210 --> 01:01:26,310
As a longtime resident, in current member of the Board of Adjustment in Orow Valley,

694
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:32,210
I witness the effort to create the plan to give every resident an opportunity to share their voice.

695
01:01:32,830 --> 01:01:38,590
Number two, residence created this plan by offering initial opinions in a townwide survey

696
01:01:38,590 --> 01:01:43,270
And then, I commanding on draft iterations that every phase of the plan's development.

697
01:01:44,090 --> 01:01:50,890
Number three, the plan represents residents' priorities by upholding our value for keeping our community safe.

698
01:01:51,450 --> 01:01:52,790
Get ready to vote.

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01:01:53,350 --> 01:01:55,610
Visit Orow ValleyPathForward.com.

700
01:02:01,570 --> 01:02:03,290
Thank you. And this concludes by presentation.

701
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:05,170
Happy to answer questions you may have.

702
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:06,270
Thank you, Melini.

703
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:07,930
It's certainly appreciate your presentation.

704
01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:09,830
And we have the council.

705
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:11,770
I'm sure the council members will comment.

706
01:02:11,770 --> 01:02:20,630
And we, and I, in particular, I'm so appreciative of your work, buyer, Renee, you've done

707
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:27,570
an enormous good for our community, and I, of course, want to acknowledge all the residents

708
01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:30,790
who've participated in this effort.

709
01:02:31,950 --> 01:02:40,190
You know, a few years ago, we celebrated our 50th anniversary, and the Oral Valley Historical

710
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:48,070
society organized some lectures, and one of those was a panel of the current mayor and

711
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:56,910
previous mayors, and we were asked who we thought was the most influential person in oral

712
01:02:56,910 --> 01:03:02,970
valley that had had the biggest impact in the town. And my response was buyer Vela.

713
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:06,230
He's been

714
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:11,910
serving as a planner for nearly three decades in this community and his

715
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:15,990
admitted lay at some direction of council and residents, but his

716
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:21,410
imprint is all over this community and so I appreciate each of you and the

717
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:26,970
work that you've done. You know, we have the opportunity tonight and I

718
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:33,330
support the plan. I do have some comments and I'm sure council members will

719
01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:39,430
some comments. I'd like to try to get through this as expeditiously as possible, but I have

720
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:46,510
read the plan a few times. And so what I'd like to propose council is that we go chapter

721
01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:53,430
by chapter and if you have comments if you don't, but I want to give you the opportunity to speak.

722
01:03:53,970 --> 01:04:00,450
So I'm going to begin Malini tonight as people of reference this plan, they've references as

723
01:04:00,450 --> 01:04:07,390
general plan. But on the front page of it, it says, we're Ovales 10 year community action plan.

724
01:04:07,550 --> 01:04:12,390
And as I read the plan, we kind of go back and forth between this community action plan,

725
01:04:12,430 --> 01:04:21,970
general plan, why are we introducing this title of 10 year community action plan and not just staying with general plan?

726
01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:24,330
Sure, so Mayor, we have a full great question.

727
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:31,130
We use the Tenier Action Plan, Kimi Action Plan, sorry, throughout this engagement process,

728
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:36,930
just because it's more understandable to folks than a general plan, which is very technical.

729
01:04:37,690 --> 01:04:41,030
We do want it to make sure, though, that it is clear that this is the general plan.

730
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:42,930
So that's why you do see it references.

731
01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:48,370
This is the state legally required general plan and the footnotes is called the or values general plan.

732
01:04:48,370 --> 01:04:53,770
Because we wanted to be clear, that's what this is, but in terms of being able to get people

733
01:04:53,770 --> 01:05:02,110
excited about the plan and engaged, tenure, action plan was just better term than trying to use

734
01:05:02,110 --> 01:05:02,730
general plan.

735
01:05:02,770 --> 01:05:08,450
And we didn't want to confuse people in the end of the line by now switching it back to

736
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:09,310
saying general plan.

737
01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:21,400
I have to admit, because what I hear from people and emails I received, letters I've received,

738
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:29,000
even tonight, no one has referenced. They haven't said 10-year community action plan. Even

739
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:36,540
you have said to a normal plan. I would just give that some reconsideration, because I certainly,

740
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:41,520
I think I understand the rationale, I don't know what the feeling is, of other council members.

741
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:51,420
And I'm not going to lose sleep over this, but for decades now we've been referring a general plan.

742
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,620
It's kind of in our DNA and many respects.

743
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:03,660
The one other in this first part is there's a talks about on page six.

744
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:09,500
This is welcome to Oral Valley. Again, I realize it says Oral Valley is thriving community

745
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:17,680
with over 48,000 residents in a maximum of 55,000, 850 residents. So it just sounds a little

746
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:25,760
funny to me, maximum. So okay, we're done at 55,000, 580, you can't come in anymore because

747
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,780
we're at our maximum.

748
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:33,280
I think just a different word and maximum would pardon.

749
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:41,720
It's just giving the rain or what our current residents

750
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,420
and what we anticipate being and probably in the 10 years

751
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:48,280
of this plan, but it's not the maximum, right?

752
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:50,540
It could be more than that, it could be less than that.

753
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,180
So, yeah, just sounds a little strange to me.

754
01:06:55,080 --> 01:07:00,220
Council, do you have any, this is the first chapter that I'm referring to? Do you have any comments?

755
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:19,300
Okay. So we'll go to the chapter, so bear with me, chapter two. So this is vision for the future.

756
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:29,970
I'd like to, and this is, so this is in the guiding principle.

757
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,460
So, there's some overlap here, Malini with guiding principles and goals. So, I may focus more on

758
01:07:38,460 --> 01:07:48,320
the goals because I think that, so, for example, on community safety, it says maintain a safe and secure

759
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:58,560
environment for all residents, business and visitors. The thing about maintain is to me maintain is saying

760
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:08,140
status quo. And there's really nothing status quo about public safety because it's changing.

761
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:14,100
It's evolving. And we have to adapt to those changes. And again, I'm not wanting to make

762
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:21,380
a mountain out of a mall hill here, but I mean words do have a meaning. And so I think I think

763
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:27,380
of it in terms of insure isn't to be a more active, so insure is safe and secure environment.

764
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:33,640
We're not going to sit on our laurels, we're not just going to maintain, and so the same

765
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:40,760
is true with trails and paths, and I'm glad we're going to be incorporating the trail plan

766
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:41,600
into this.

767
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,080
It says maintain, world values, commitment to being an outdoor community.

768
01:08:45,780 --> 01:08:51,880
I like the word better strengthened than, again, maintain, so I don't, I'm not real crazy

769
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,160
about the word maintain.

770
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,600
Water resource planning, maintain responsible use of water resources.

771
01:08:58,380 --> 01:09:02,340
I'd like to suggest that it increase responsible use of water resources.

772
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:09,780
We can always be doing better at improving our water resource planning versus maintaining what we're doing.

773
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,640
So those are some examples of that particular section.

774
01:09:15,940 --> 01:09:21,000
Anybody have comments, general comments or vice mayor?

775
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,950
I'd like these suggestions, Mayor, and I admire your words,

776
01:09:27,170 --> 01:09:28,270
Mithine, and going through it.

777
01:09:28,830 --> 01:09:31,290
We're voting to send this to the ballot tonight, right?

778
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:34,410
Mayor, we have filled Vice Mayor Barrett that is correct.

779
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:37,930
So what would be the envisioned mechanism?

780
01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:40,850
Do you want me to write down some of those comments

781
01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:43,810
so we can potentially include them in the vote or shoot?

782
01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:46,330
I'm just kind of trying to figure out

783
01:09:46,330 --> 01:09:48,310
should I be keeping track or that's the problem?

784
01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:51,270
Yeah, what is, so I appreciate that you

785
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:55,870
in the council a few weeks ago you've incorporated those. I'm in agreement with those.

786
01:09:57,690 --> 01:10:03,750
But. Yeah, so Mayor Wimfield, Vice Mayor Barr any changes made through the motions tonight.

787
01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:09,310
We would make before republishing it before the votes.

788
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,600
It's a long motion. I think, though, and maybe

789
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:23,840
correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Zairak, but perhaps you can, you know, I'm okay with

790
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,560
or make the motion of and the changes discussed by Mayor Renfield this evening, or

791
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,480
you know what I mean, make it more global versus going through each one.

792
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,280
Mr. Zairak,

793
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,220
we're good evening.

794
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,140
Obviously, Mayor, we've not discussed your suggested

795
01:10:45,140 --> 01:11:14,780
changes, but I think as long as you have a consensus about the changes and it seems as if we have plenty of staff here to take down the, I think, I feel confident and counsel if you're a disagreement then please speak up and staff if you and disagreement or if anything that I'm suggesting you think is counter to what you've heard from the public, I do not want to do that so my intent here is to

796
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:21,300
to be a part of this process and Council Member Nicholson.

797
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,640
I would like to make this as difficult as possible.

798
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:26,120
I'll second that.

799
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:32,820
And Mayor Wimkel, so far all the changes you've had are still respecting and reflective

800
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:35,540
of what the community has in both those it.

801
01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:44,860
I believe they are, so I think your suggestions make the document more adaptable going into

802
01:11:44,860 --> 01:11:45,480
the future.

803
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,560
Okay, so I guess keep going to your suggestions. I wanted to kind of clarify

804
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,700
should I be writing down this part for the motion or how in Vice Mayor we're taking notes

805
01:11:57,700 --> 01:12:02,700
three of us. Okay, so we're going to, this is public safety counsel's the next section,

806
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,340
which is part of chapter two.

807
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:14,920
And so this is action item 11 and I like how you've organized

808
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:22,860
in terms of ongoing 3-6 years, 7-10 years, this particular action item and maybe a commander

809
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:31,380
you can either agree or say, you know, not agree. It says the following actions are anticipated

810
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:38,560
to be completed in 3-6 years. Help school review plans, train personnel and identify best practices

811
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,300
for safety. In my mind, what I've heard from our department is that that's something we do on an

812
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:50,820
going base is we're reviewing plans each year with the schools, safety plans and so commander

813
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,260
this may or year assessment is correct. We do it every year, especially as it

814
01:12:56,260 --> 01:13:01,740
changed to the schools we update in review their safety plans yearly. So I would just

815
01:13:01,740 --> 01:13:07,060
simply suggest that this should be ongoing versus anticipated to be completed in

816
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:08,200
to six years.

817
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:17,500
And then action item 19, it says implement risk assessments for areas most susceptible

818
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:22,660
to threats of flood fire or other hazards. When we say assessment for areas most susceptible,

819
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:30,460
are we talking about all private and public property or are we talking about town property?

820
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:35,280
What are we talking about? Mayer, we have felt so the intent from the residence was all

821
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:42,380
property, rather private or public, now if it's private, it would be working with folks to

822
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:47,380
provide some education and or like HOAs, for instance, or property managers.

823
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:57,600
And then for these particular action items, 1819 and 20, HR is the lead for utilizing, you know,

824
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,400
the addition to the code red or similar emergency notification, the risk assessments for

825
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,400
is most susceptible to threat, threats, flood fire.

826
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,020
It just seemed to add to me that HR was the lead for these items.

827
01:14:09,860 --> 01:14:13,320
So, Mayor, we have filled the towns, and I apologize.

828
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:21,040
I can't remember his exact title, but our emergency risk staff member is part of the HR.

829
01:14:21,860 --> 01:14:23,440
The nut makes sense, okay.

830
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:32,120
And this is a small, incredibly small thing, but for whatever reason, page 32 doesn't have

831
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,160
32 on it.

832
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:38,580
I know folks.

833
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:42,830
This is why you pay us the big bucks.

834
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,760
We're going to go to

835
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,560
Arts and Culture. Counciled.

836
01:15:12,130 --> 01:15:19,370
So, action item 38, it says, explore opportunities to provide intergenerational programs.

837
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:26,490
I mean, I like to explore, but I like something that's going to be more action items.

838
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:38,090
So, I said, create opportunities, explore, develop, explore and develop. Just exploring, I mean, that just gives us a list, we want to do something. This is an action.

839
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:47,770
we do do something but we're gonna do more. Okay on on 40 on action 40 it says

840
01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:52,390
continue to promote and evolve the community academy to recruit volunteers

841
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:55,910
board and commission members it makes it sound like we only do that to

842
01:15:55,910 --> 01:16:00,850
recruit but we do this to inform residents and recruit visitors I

843
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:27,350
guess this is

844
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:34,330
So action 73, create an art advisory board with a focus on but not limited to the following objectives.

845
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:42,410
I thought that art, Arizona, or whatever, art state, or art state, art state, Arizona.

846
01:16:42,990 --> 01:16:50,130
I thought that they reviewed public art proposals and, yeah.

847
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:57,350
And do a lot in terms of identifying opportunities for program events that promote and link art.

848
01:16:59,130 --> 01:17:01,030
But it seems like a duplication to me.

849
01:17:01,150 --> 01:17:06,150
But if this is the community's voice here, then I will respect that voice.

850
01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:12,650
I think the idea here was to have more resident engagement and that effort.

851
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:14,830
So it may still be working with arts state.

852
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:19,170
the intention isn't to not work with them anymore, but it's to have more

853
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:22,950
resident voices in that art space and discussion.

854
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:27,940
I vote for leaving that one.

855
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:29,800
Because I think that'd be a substantial change.

856
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,180
It would be a substantial change.

857
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,740
And I'm not asking to change it.

858
01:17:32,740 --> 01:17:34,900
Maybe just clarification, but that's okay.

859
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:36,040
Yeah, that is okay.

860
01:17:38,860 --> 01:17:41,100
So this is actually number 92,

861
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,760
coordinate trail maintenance on Pima County on land within

862
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,180
oral ballage jurisdiction.

863
01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:49,340
I think the coordination is good.

864
01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:54,680
I think maybe one of the tools there, if it could maybe be

865
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,780
is a memo you or an IGA, probably not an IGA,

866
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,520
because we're not going to be transferring funds.

867
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,100
But some kind of a memorandum of understanding

868
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:06,640
might help just formalize that.

869
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:08,200
A coordination,

870
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:11,910
vice mayor.

871
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:18,870
Okay. I don't know that you can put an MOU in the, in the, in the plan, though. May or

872
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:22,690
we have filled Vice Mayor Barrett and that's the point of clarification. Would you like

873
01:18:22,690 --> 01:18:26,870
it more to say maybe formalized coordination? Maybe formalized.

874
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:31,530
And not the mechanism we used to do. That's that's good idea.

875
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:32,090
Yeah.

876
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:39,750
Then action 90, this is under trails and paths, regularly inspect, clean and repair,

877
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:45,150
pedestrian, equestrian, and cyclists, routes for cracks, debris, obstructions, and other

878
01:18:45,150 --> 01:18:51,510
needed repairs. This sounds like it's talking about a paved surface, versus an unpaid surface.

879
01:18:52,090 --> 01:18:58,270
And typically we don't have a question used on our multi-use paths. It just seems to equestrian,

880
01:18:58,270 --> 01:19:06,290
the reference to a question seems out of place there. You can't have a question on the loop.

881
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:12,550
Yeah, you also get them on some of the other paths, and like Bush's follow we're need to be cleared that kind of thing.

882
01:19:13,150 --> 01:19:24,830
I, it almost seemed to me, leaning in this maybe that maybe action, an action for paved paths and then an action for unpaved paths to just clarify.

883
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:32,350
So Mayor Ramfeld, action 88, the is more for the trails and all the past, but we can

884
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:39,770
definitely clarify the unpaid first page, just so it's very clear that the intent of the

885
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:44,670
residents with this plan and even OV's child's connect with the maintenance of all trails

886
01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:46,450
and paths for their paid or unpaid.

887
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:54,630
Okay, and then action 86, it says create a new parks and recreation master plan.

888
01:19:54,830 --> 01:20:00,950
I mean, we did have relatively recently had a new,

889
01:20:00,950 --> 01:20:05,010
are we talking about a brand new or updating the plan that we have?

890
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:06,490
I may have.

891
01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:09,310
It would be updating the current plan.

892
01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:12,590
It was, and that's why it's under three to six years

893
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:14,710
because within three to six years it would be about time

894
01:20:14,710 --> 01:20:17,290
as the town would want to update it anyways.

895
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:21,170
Especially to make sure that there's an inventory

896
01:20:21,170 --> 01:20:26,070
of all parks and recreations, so for instance, this social

897
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:28,810
child's nature preserve isn't in the current one because it didn't

898
01:20:28,810 --> 01:20:31,270
exist, so making sure.

899
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:32,610
Okay, thank you.

900
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:45,950
Okay, so action item 105, this is under, so actions are

901
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:48,810
anticipated for completion in seven to 10 years.

902
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:53,790
105 is worked with A.D. to study and implement safe pedestrian

903
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:56,730
and cyclist crossings across Oracle Road.

904
01:20:56,730 --> 01:21:04,550
I should have happened yesterday. I hate to see it that it's a seven to ten year. I think it should be

905
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:12,470
a one to two year. So something more immediate because it's an issue now.

906
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,140
Okay, so we want to move that into the one to two years. One to two years.

907
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,220
I completely agree with that. Okay, thanks.

908
01:21:25,700 --> 01:21:26,620
Next Vice Mayor.

909
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:30,840
Okay, council, I'm moving to

910
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,340
environment, sustainability,

911
01:21:41,470 --> 01:21:43,350
I don't know if Kate's still in the audience, but this

912
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:49,250
is more of a, it says, maintain and create wildlife corridors. This is under the

913
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:56,510
guiding principle. This is probably, I mean, wildlife corridors exist. What happens is,

914
01:21:56,510 --> 01:22:02,790
is through development and roads we impede wildlife corridors. And so it seems to me that rather

915
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:08,150
than creating wildlife corridors, we should recognize acknowledged that wildlife

916
01:22:08,150 --> 01:22:16,150
corridors exist and we should be taking actions to not impede while life being able to move

917
01:22:16,150 --> 01:22:21,170
through through our community. Of course we do that with bridges and so on and so forth.

918
01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:25,870
But we don't really create while life corridors. It's just probably ignore my comment,

919
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:29,670
So we're going to leave that one.

920
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,440
We're going to leave it, but sometimes you just have to say it.

921
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:40,580
Yeah, I just want when they go back through this video for them to be clear, which was.

922
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:45,060
We're going to share with you what that's meant to appreciate it.

923
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:53,260
Mayor, in all seriousness, I do think if you do, if one of the council members does not agree as Vice Mayor,

924
01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:57,300
I did before I think you should speak up about that, so I guess I'll follow it for one issue.

925
01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:00,400
But yeah, in fairness to staff, I would keep it that way.

926
01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:02,620
So when you do the motion, it'll be sure.

927
01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:03,580
Copperheads.

928
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,600
So this is a council.

929
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:09,480
This is policy.

930
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:13,140
So now I'm in the climate and energy.

931
01:23:14,180 --> 01:23:17,580
Policy 01.0.1.

932
01:23:17,780 --> 01:23:21,020
It says aim to reduce solid waste in all sectors.

933
01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:24,800
It seems like it should just say reduce solid waste.

934
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,920
I mean, that should be our policy, not to aim, but to do it.

935
01:23:34,580 --> 01:23:35,800
Anybody disagree with that?

936
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,320
Okay, this is policy 01.

937
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:44,380
It says to aim to reduce solid waste in all sectors

938
01:23:44,380 --> 01:23:47,580
through a combination of sustainable waste management practices,

939
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:52,760
such as waste minimization, recycling and composting.

940
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:56,160
To me, the policy should be to reduce.

941
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:05,060
I mean, that's, if we can't, right, well, I think we can, I mean, you like game, okay,

942
01:24:05,180 --> 01:24:06,120
keep aim.

943
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:12,420
Yeah, they're like, because it's hard to measure, it's hard to measure, it's good, we're

944
01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:12,560
here.

945
01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:13,760
All right,

946
01:24:18,270 --> 01:24:23,630
action 148, publish information about the options or rebates available for residents

947
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:28,730
interested in converting from grass to electricity on the town's website.

948
01:24:30,130 --> 01:24:32,650
Is that a role for the town?

949
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:43,020
Publish information about the options or rebates available for residents interested in converting

950
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:46,540
from grass to electricity on the town's website.

951
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,040
I can tell you where you can get that information from TEP because they want you to be

952
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:51,560
electricity.

953
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:57,260
And if you go to Southwest Gas website, they're going to tell you how you can, you know, better use gas.

954
01:24:57,580 --> 01:25:00,300
But I don't know that it's really our role to tell residents.

955
01:25:01,580 --> 01:25:05,980
But it's the mayor we have filled on the website for instance down the town's website.

956
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:13,640
There is a sustainability page, and it is links to it's we're not producing our own information.

957
01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:14,560
It's just links.

958
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,660
So it's something like that as well.

959
01:25:16,660 --> 01:25:24,620
I would also, I mean, at this stage, I personally am fine with these wordsmithing things,

960
01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:26,880
but I don't want to like take something out, thank you.

961
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,540
That got put in by the residents.

962
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:29,220
Thank God.

963
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,200
It's just so good for us.

964
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,420
But that was a good clarification that we're just sending them to.

965
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:36,360
Good clarification.

966
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:48,420
On, so now we're on to water resources, action 164, identify opportunities to stream

967
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:53,420
the process and reduce permitting fees to encourage HOAs and commercial developments to replace

968
01:25:53,420 --> 01:26:00,340
grass with ground covers like decomposed granite mulch or native vegetation. I think it should

969
01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:02,460
also include artificial turf.

970
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:23,800
So these are this policy, malini, it's policy, T,

971
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,180
two, elevate

972
01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:30,780
create the value and importance of reclaimed water conservation.

973
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:35,800
But when you look at the action items underneath that policy,

974
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,000
I don't see how they relate to it.

975
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:43,120
I mean, they don't say anything about reclaimed water conservation.

976
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:49,720
It says 84, 184 is educate the community about the importance

977
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,060
to use in cost of water resources through the town website,

978
01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:56,060
social media, newsletters, community, academy, et cetera.

979
01:26:56,060 --> 01:27:00,600
I mean, that wouldn't be just reclaimed water.

980
01:27:00,820 --> 01:27:04,020
This would be groundwater, reclaimed water.

981
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:08,240
Maybe we just say water conservation, rather than reclaimed.

982
01:27:08,260 --> 01:27:09,060
Then reclaimed.

983
01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:10,760
I think that's.

984
01:27:10,780 --> 01:27:14,140
Because if the policies indicate water conservation.

985
01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:17,360
And they are, we've been filled by Mayor Barrett.

986
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,340
I do believe this is one that's evolved through the process.

987
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:24,840
So I know the conversations with the resident working groups

988
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:33,860
Definitely started with reclaimed water, and then it did evolve to, you know, there'll be

989
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:38,780
more, there'll be one water source as we continue to progress. It won't be all these different ones.

990
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,240
So we can look at that language to make sure it lines better with the actions under it.

991
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:54,820
Okay. So what was the intention of preserving reclaimed water in that statement?

992
01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:01,200
versus sane just water. So Mayor Wimfield, Vice Mayor Barrett, there's just more attention

993
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:06,880
on reclaimed water during these meetings and even with the survey about trying to reduce the use

994
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:12,940
of portable water and using reclaimed water is one way to do that. Okay, because this sounds like

995
01:28:12,940 --> 01:28:18,020
reducing reclaimed water. Does that? Okay.

996
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:22,890
Sorry, the way it's written. I think with the word

997
01:28:22,890 --> 01:28:29,370
conservation of reclaimed water. That's why it's confusing to me because if it means

998
01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:35,070
pot, if it means conserving drinking water, but it's talking about conserving our reclaimed

999
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:40,890
water. It says elevate the value and importance of reclaimed water conservation. That's

1000
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:50,210
the policy. But then the action items don't seem I mean they relate to, they don't seem

1001
01:28:50,210 --> 01:28:52,330
specific to reclaimed water.

1002
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:56,570
I'm Mr. Science.

1003
01:29:03,740 --> 01:29:04,140
Good evening.

1004
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:11,120
As I understand at this, really the meaning behind this is intended to convey that

1005
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:17,440
reclaimed water is often looked as a resource that's not worthy of conservation.

1006
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:18,800
It's expendable.

1007
01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:25,180
And so a lot of the discussion was oriented toward, wait, this is water.

1008
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:32,100
is just as important as potable. It's just different. Conservation really should be applied to both.

1009
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:39,700
Often reclaimed is given a back seat in terms of some folks thinking, and that was the discussion

1010
01:29:40,380 --> 01:29:47,160
in Genesis. But we understand that there needs to be a alignment, and we'll make sure those are tied together,

1011
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:52,520
and the expression really should be all forms of water, including reclaimed. That was what was meant.

1012
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:58,600
Okay, so we're going to go with all forms of water, including reclaimed.

1013
01:29:59,200 --> 01:29:59,960
Mayer, we have felt nice.

1014
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,920
I think that's the best way to do it, so the emphasis on the reclaimed is retained.

1015
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:12,840
Okay, this is going to economy. Action item 194 established a schedule to periodically review all

1016
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:19,340
fees for potential increases. I'd like to suggest that instead of increases potential adjustments.

1017
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:29,120
It can go either way. This makes it sound like it's automatically an increase, and it could be a decrease.

1018
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:44,100
Well, we've even talked about it recently, where we've talked about a different rate structure for residents versus non-residents, so it would be lower for non-residents.

1019
01:30:50,740 --> 01:31:08,200
This is a small point, but on page 107 we're talking about tourism. We have a nice photo of the Elken keys to door. If it's possible, a photo of the westward look resort to both of our resorts,

1020
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,460
we'll go to development.

1021
01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:12,340
I

1022
01:31:23,290 --> 01:31:24,250
have no comments.

1023
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:29,520
Housing,

1024
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,980
the, for whatever it's worth, it seems like action item

1025
01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:50,280
250, 7 and 260, 3 are similar. Once as create a housing plan, the other one says develop

1026
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:55,380
housing plans and assessments to ensure current and future housing needs are met. The other

1027
01:31:55,380 --> 01:31:59,600
one says create a housing plan that addresses the need for more attainable variety. They just

1028
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:08,460
very similar and may or may have been filled and we can look at the wording on the

1029
01:32:08,460 --> 01:32:17,300
language on that. So one would be a housing plan that also has identifies opportunities

1030
01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:27,680
to meet the residents needs the that's auction to 57 under action to 63 that would be

1031
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:33,560
more an inventory so state law actually requires the town every year we have to submit numbers

1032
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,600
to the state of how many housing units we have how many housing units we need and do we

1033
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:45,660
have enough land and zoning in place to meet our need so that's the difference between the two

1034
01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:50,900
but however you're right using the term housing plan twice could be confusing so we will we can look

1035
01:32:50,900 --> 01:32:57,440
at the language to make sure that's clear okay council or vice mayor so I understand that once we hit

1036
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:02,540
50,000 residents, which were pretty close to, we would have to have a state-required housing plan.

1037
01:33:02,820 --> 01:33:05,500
Is that correct? Is that a different threshold now?

1038
01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:07,600
So Mayor, we've filled by Mayor Beira.

1039
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:12,180
You're right about the threshold, it's 50,000, but it requires not a housing plan.

1040
01:33:12,220 --> 01:33:16,400
It requires this plan, the general plan, to include this housing element.

1041
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:22,560
Okay, so was the reason that it was somewhat duplicitous?

1042
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,620
And because part of it's intended to address that state requirement, yes.

1043
01:33:27,620 --> 01:33:31,840
And another part is more of a policy of something we may do.

1044
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:32,360
Correct.

1045
01:33:32,740 --> 01:33:39,380
So action 257 more comes from residents who a voice that they want that variety of housing.

1046
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:50,180
So creating a plan to kind of help to guide the town to achieve that variety is 257 263 was there to meet those state requirements.

1047
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,920
Okay, so I guess I'm kind of in favor of leaving it even though it's a little bit confusing,

1048
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,640
just because of the state requirement element.

1049
01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:04,160
I think it was going to be left, I think you were going to maybe make a...

1050
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:11,540
Be can definitely clarify the term housing plan, so it's very clear what each one is intending to do.

1051
01:34:11,780 --> 01:34:15,200
Can we clarify though before we vote on what we would be saying?

1052
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,140
Do you think?

1053
01:34:16,140 --> 01:34:24,860
Well, I know that's kind of seen on the spot, but since we could also continue this, but we could vote on that.

1054
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:30,940
Mayor Wimpho, Vice Mayor, Bera, once a gestion is keeping 257 as is as a housing plan.

1055
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:36,600
The sub-bull is under that, really, our elements that you would normally see in a housing plan,

1056
01:34:37,060 --> 01:34:45,120
but maybe updating 263 to develop a housing inventory and assessment, which really is more of a number's game.

1057
01:34:47,460 --> 01:34:54,860
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That sounds good to me. And I'm fine with council. Council member Green

1058
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:55,320
suggestion.

1059
01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:03,320
I have no more comments. By Mayor, you said you had some general comments.

1060
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:11,600
Council member Nicholson and council member Green. Yeah. I just had a comment for 84. You

1061
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,320
We're going so fast, Mayor, who doing good job.

1062
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,520
But I was wondering if I could change it from three to six years

1063
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,560
to one to two years.

1064
01:35:21,810 --> 01:35:22,710
What's the action?

1065
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,620
I'll see each of you periodically assess

1066
01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:39,260
and value a parking recreation facility,

1067
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:41,500
ensure that the park system, that actually meets the,

1068
01:35:41,860 --> 01:35:43,300
these residents of falling action

1069
01:35:43,300 --> 01:35:46,480
anticipate the completion in three to six years.

1070
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,880
Can we do one to two years?

1071
01:35:51,670 --> 01:35:53,590
Mayor, we have to cancel my minutes on

1072
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:55,970
are you referring to the action about the parks

1073
01:35:55,970 --> 01:36:01,590
recreation plan? Yeah, in the action I'm 84, Savage Lung term restoration plan for

1074
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:06,430
Ranch for the Vistaocetrails Nature Preserve, which include a bunch of self-suffering

1075
01:36:06,430 --> 01:36:10,950
to be vegetation itself. So action 84? Correct.

1076
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,800
Okay, so one to two years? What I heard you?

1077
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:20,360
No, thanks.

1078
01:36:25,230 --> 01:36:33,190
Vice Mayor? Okay. Well, and gotten to that much depth because we reviewed

1079
01:36:33,190 --> 01:36:39,710
to do a couple different points and thankfully, you know, we've been able to discuss a couple

1080
01:36:39,710 --> 01:36:44,370
times before as well. So I appreciate that. I just want to clarify a couple of things from

1081
01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:48,430
the public comment, so I know this is kind of going back in the meeting, but to acknowledge

1082
01:36:48,430 --> 01:36:54,970
those who came in spoke, I really appreciate you coming. I appreciate your work in doing this plan.

1083
01:36:55,350 --> 01:37:01,230
One person spoke about the bridge to know where and then talked about it as if it was the wildlife

1084
01:37:01,230 --> 01:37:06,470
quarter, I think when previous commenter was commenting about the bridge to know where they meant

1085
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:12,850
to push view lane, really ranch quarter and not the wildlife quarter. So I just wanted to

1086
01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:18,590
sort of clarify that I think that's what was meant here in Oral Valley on that. And then I know

1087
01:37:18,590 --> 01:37:24,830
we had Emily Vera's here and she had talked about shade structures and put them in the plan.

1088
01:37:24,830 --> 01:37:29,430
one thing I've discovered is that, so in this current fiscal years budget,

1089
01:37:30,940 --> 01:37:41,620
And that's currently going forward and will have a, you know, some roll over into the future. So I think there's more to be done. So it still is good in the plan.

1090
01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:57,140
But I was just wondering if we could get kind of an update on that because I know that something that was mentioned here. And I found that in some of the community meetings that I listened in on are attended that it wasn't really known that some of that was in process.

1091
01:37:57,140 --> 01:38:12,140
And so, I just want to tell Manager, Mr. Wilkins, would you mind giving us kind of an update and describing that project a little bit just for the public's benefit who advocated for that?

1092
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:14,200
At this point?

1093
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:15,080
Yeah.

1094
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:15,560
If you don't mind.

1095
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:42,400
And with that project, we did have some delays with contracting the procurement, so that's been settled and then now the equipment itself is on order, so there is lead times on this, but we're hoping that would be done this spring, but it will hopefully be done later this year, calendar year, not fiscal year, but it is underway.

1096
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:46,020
but right now it's in the hands of our contractor.

1097
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:51,240
Okay, would you mind describing a little bit about what that project entails?

1098
01:38:52,540 --> 01:38:54,280
There were multiple stage structures.

1099
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,980
His obtained, can you come and describe the locations?

1100
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,260
We have put together a council report.

1101
01:39:03,420 --> 01:39:06,760
I have to pull it out, specifically, where the locations were.

1102
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:08,960
Yes, mayor vice mayor.

1103
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,200
So what we have is we originally had a contractor

1104
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:19,520
and what happened was as they were preliminary approved for a state contract and they did not receive the final approval.

1105
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,500
So we had to take the dollar amount to go back out for a bit.

1106
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:24,920
It'll open next week.

1107
01:39:25,460 --> 01:39:28,420
And those shade structures are over the playground.

1108
01:39:28,980 --> 01:39:33,980
So you have the playground kind of on the hill as well as the swing area next to that.

1109
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:40,320
And we asked for an extra 20 by 20 structure over by our pickleball courts and one over for sharing

1110
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,660
between the Poctrack and the Skate Park.

1111
01:39:45,550 --> 01:39:47,990
So I don't think that invalidates the statement

1112
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:50,670
about shade that's in the general plan or anything.

1113
01:39:51,090 --> 01:39:53,990
I just wanted to in conjunction with that,

1114
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:55,010
make the community aware

1115
01:39:55,010 --> 01:39:57,570
that we have those projects out to bid

1116
01:39:57,570 --> 01:39:59,350
and that they're coming forward.

1117
01:39:59,570 --> 01:40:03,590
So that may help alleviate some of what is needed there

1118
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:04,810
in this general plan statement.

1119
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:11,130
And then I have a question about the land use map,

1120
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:20,310
regarding, if the following agenda item in item A, which has a general plan amendment associated

1121
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:25,870
with it, is approved tonight or some form of it is approved tonight, and I'm not presuming

1122
01:40:25,870 --> 01:40:30,490
when we're the other, but I'm just saying if that's approved, can that be incorporated

1123
01:40:30,490 --> 01:40:32,570
into what goes out to voters?

1124
01:40:35,310 --> 01:40:51,400
So, so may or may have failed by Mayor Barrett, if approved night it would, we're at an interesting time, it's for the year of race or future, but this mimic that so it would also could also be updating this one as well.

1125
01:40:52,060 --> 01:40:59,300
So right now the land use map in this one, it aims to reflect the zoning and things that are currently developing.

1126
01:40:59,300 --> 01:41:05,540
So if you change that land use map in the year of race or future plan, we would update this one too before it goes to the base.

1127
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,920
Okay, so we don't need to make a statement to that effect in the motion.

1128
01:41:09,580 --> 01:41:10,580
It would just be done.

1129
01:41:10,980 --> 01:41:17,860
Because the general plan we would be updating in the event that we do vote on that would be the current general plans.

1130
01:41:18,140 --> 01:41:18,820
Not this one.

1131
01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:23,800
And I just want to make sure that there is consistency in whatever goes out to the voters.

1132
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:30,080
So, do we need to make a statement to that effect now when we send it out to voters?

1133
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:39,780
Or, and I'm not sure if it could be a general statement just to reflect that, okay, yeah.

1134
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:41,060
It would automatically be updated.

1135
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:42,680
You don't need to make it part of your message.

1136
01:41:44,340 --> 01:41:52,760
So, that's the clarification that I was looking for, just to make sure that the land use map would be consistent in the event that the item moves forward.

1137
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:59,880
And then finally, I just kind of want to speak a little bit more generally about this process.

1138
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:06,860
I'd tremendous thank you to everyone involved in it, especially Miss Sims.

1139
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:10,740
You were a consummate professional through the entire process.

1140
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:19,520
I received multiple comments and emails from citizens who were complimenting you and your management of the situations.

1141
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:26,580
and I we all really appreciate that. You know, that's a huge tremendous service to all of us.

1142
01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:32,720
And the incredible amount of public engagement I think are consultant set at best when he said,

1143
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:43,280
this is the ultimate in public participation. And it far exceeds other jurisdictions and that we reached out to residents at all points in this process,

1144
01:42:43,620 --> 01:42:46,740
which isn't necessarily what's typically done of the general plan.

1145
01:42:46,740 --> 01:42:52,820
And what I understood from the budget city session that we had on Monday is that you also

1146
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:58,400
managed to bring the project in under budget and utilize a lot of cost savings.

1147
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:02,520
So I think that's to be congratulated as well that you're able to bring forward such a high

1148
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:09,680
quality resident centric document that incorporates diverse viewpoints together.

1149
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:25,860
And so, I just really appreciate that, and yeah, so thank you so much for your work and effort on this and to the residents and I'm the planning and zoning liaison and so I know that planning and zoning has heard it several times.

1150
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:30,020
So thank you to the planning and zoning commission and others to review that.

1151
01:43:30,020 --> 01:43:51,280
I don't have any issues with the changes that we agreed upon through consent from the mayor because I think they were all just wordsmithing things or things to make it a little bit more actionable moving forward, which I think is the goal that we get this actionable moving forward and that there's not really any substantive changes in that.

1152
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,060
So with that being said, shall I take a stab at a motion?

1153
01:43:54,260 --> 01:43:54,820
Please do.

1154
01:43:54,820 --> 01:43:55,140
Okay.

1155
01:43:57,500 --> 01:44:05,700
I moved to adopt resolution R26-20, the Oral Valley's path for a general plan as depicted

1156
01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:11,840
in attachment one and subject to the conditions in attachment two, as well as incorporating

1157
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:18,200
the comments which were agreed upon by consensus of Council this evening, which are aimed to

1158
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,880
respect the communities work while improving the accuracy and action ability of residents'

1159
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,180
values, priorities, and expectations for the town's future.

1160
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,060
Second, by Council Member Murphy, any discussion?

1161
01:44:31,740 --> 01:44:33,180
All in favor, say aye.

1162
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:33,540
Aye.

1163
01:44:33,980 --> 01:44:34,920
Any opposed, nay?

1164
01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:36,560
The eyes have at six zero.

1165
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,340
We're going to take a 15 minute break.

1166
01:44:48,460 --> 01:44:50,220
We'll resume at 8 p.m.

1167
01:45:01,300 --> 01:45:19,260
Mr. Standish, item 2 of regular agenda. Public hearing, discussion, and possible action regarding two applications related to the Oral Valley Town Center, PAD, for an area known as the former Rooney Ranch property, located at the northeast intersection of Oracle Road and Pushview Lane.

1168
01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:48,760
The two items include item A, resolution number R, 26-21, general plan amendment from low density residential dash 2 to community and regional commercial and open space for a portion of area 4, only on town owned property and item 2b, ordinance number 026-077, rezoning planned area development amendment for area 2, area 3 and area 4, to revise existing uses,

1169
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:58,760
Revised tentative development plans increase open space, reduce building heights, add town homes, as a permitted use, and other related changes.

1170
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,340
Thank you, Mr. Standard. She do such a good job.

1171
01:46:02,620 --> 01:46:11,660
There's a public hearing associated with this agenda item. I'm opening the public hearing at this time. If you want to speak to this agenda item, please fill out a blue card.

1172
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:18,700
And when I call your name, if you please come forward, state your name, and whether or not you're a resident of Oral Valley.

1173
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:23,820
Sue Dugan and Sue, I'm calling you because I think you had intended to speak.

1174
01:46:30,820 --> 01:46:33,320
Thank you again for letting me speak.

1175
01:46:34,580 --> 01:46:39,700
That land I know was donated, I believe, by the developer.

1176
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:46,580
And to me it makes sense to leave it as open space.

1177
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,420
Don't need any trails or anything, just open space.

1178
01:46:49,620 --> 01:46:54,640
And the reason for it is that without having the nature around us,

1179
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,260
the rainfall is affected.

1180
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:01,820
And I'd like to see a little more of open space being left.

1181
01:47:02,420 --> 01:47:07,320
And with developers too, I'm a thumb believer in property rights.

1182
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:18,280
But if developers could be encouraged not to mow down everything with a building and leave some general areas that are around.

1183
01:47:19,300 --> 01:47:29,040
Now, as far as it doesn't really affect me, but it does affect my subdivision because it backs up to where they are.

1184
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:35,380
But as far as I'm concerned, I mean, I'm going to be 80 next year, I've had my first stroke.

1185
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:39,360
My doctor says, forget it, you're not going to make it through the next one.

1186
01:47:40,860 --> 01:47:46,320
So, yeah, realistic, we're very realistic with my doctor's, but I want to be around

1187
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,540
to your 20, 30 years from now.

1188
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:57,620
But I still would like you to consider your kids and your grandkids, keep some open space.

1189
01:47:57,620 --> 01:48:03,600
it's so beautiful when you look out and you see all the trees and I know that a lot of this

1190
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:13,660
land is privately owned but there is a solution and one thought that maybe you can consider

1191
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:23,340
is doing a real estate property tax and on a sale of a house or a piece of land you have like

1192
01:48:23,340 --> 01:48:34,360
1.5% of 1% transfer fee. That goes into a fund and that fund is used to buy some of the land of different owners.

1193
01:48:35,480 --> 01:48:42,600
And I've seen it work in other towns. People complain for about five years because they said,

1194
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:47,820
You know, you know, you can go to pay more money, you know, but then it's been an effect for

1195
01:48:47,820 --> 01:48:56,140
now 30 years and all through this town there's beautiful green areas. It's beautiful. So none

1196
01:48:56,140 --> 01:49:04,700
of us are pitching a plan anymore because it really did work and it really is a solution on that.

1197
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:12,580
So if you are going to down zone on this piece of property, I mean I understand if you want to

1198
01:49:12,580 --> 01:49:23,060
leave the area relative along Oracle, leave it for commercial, but I think it's time to really

1199
01:49:23,060 --> 01:49:27,520
start thinking about the future for your families and everyone else that's coming.

1200
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:34,260
I have a lot of people I know that are living up in the Phoenix area and they're all coming

1201
01:49:34,260 --> 01:49:39,820
down here to buy because they sit as beautiful or a valley in Marana, so maybe think about

1202
01:49:39,820 --> 01:49:40,720
that for the future.

1203
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,540
Thank you, Mr.agan. Don English.

1204
01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:55,920
My name is Don English, and I live here for almost 15 years.

1205
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,020
And I'd like to just say I'm not opposed to housing projects,

1206
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:06,820
or and I understand the need to raise revenue from tax revenue from sales tax.

1207
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,640
But I am opposed to this project.

1208
01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:13,820
It is in area three, just too big.

1209
01:50:13,820 --> 01:50:22,440
We are putting too many apartments and townhouses into an area that overwhelms the landscape.

1210
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:27,700
It's you horns, too many buildings into too small a site.

1211
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:33,520
I've walked around that area many times around the Elterado apartments in that dog park.

1212
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:40,060
And putting three story apartment buildings in that bowl area will destroy that view.

1213
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:42,420
That's all there is to it.

1214
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:43,620
It will destroy the view.

1215
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:48,960
It is not minimally invasive as staff has suggested.

1216
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,260
And the computer images that are being presented

1217
01:50:52,260 --> 01:50:55,500
are highly misleading regarding the elevation

1218
01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:57,000
and the site views.

1219
01:50:57,900 --> 01:51:00,300
Let Kitchell develop long Oracle Road.

1220
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:01,560
That's fine.

1221
01:51:02,020 --> 01:51:02,740
That's fine.

1222
01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:06,940
But we need more discussion on this site.

1223
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:08,460
That's the first problem.

1224
01:51:08,460 --> 01:51:14,660
The second problem is that we just simply haven't had enough analysis of this.

1225
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:19,720
The process seems to me like putting the cart before the horse.

1226
01:51:21,260 --> 01:51:28,080
As near as I can tell, the first discussion of this happened in February 2024 when the

1227
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:33,320
city manager made a presentation to a steady session that was close to the public.

1228
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:40,120
Lots of creative ideas came out of that, including the discussion about selling it and

1229
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:44,760
parceling it up so that we don't have to take it to the public for a vote.

1230
01:51:45,460 --> 01:51:46,500
Lots of discussion.

1231
01:51:47,220 --> 01:51:53,960
No vote was taken by the Council at that time, but even the Vice Mayor said, and I will

1232
01:51:53,960 --> 01:52:00,940
quote, we need to keep in mind what our citizens would like to see because the property

1233
01:52:00,940 --> 01:52:07,820
ultimately belongs to them. When we say belongs to the town, it belongs to the citizens of the town.

1234
01:52:08,580 --> 01:52:16,500
Now, two and a half years later, in September 25, I don't seem to know where staff comes up with this

1235
01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:21,700
full-blown idea for commercial and residential development of this pristine property.

1236
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:29,960
With no public input that I can find. Listening to that discussion last year in this

1237
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:37,100
This council was bizarre. It was bizarre. The word spitting that we did tonight on this happened last

1238
01:52:37,100 --> 01:52:44,260
week, last year too. And I was just amazed at all the discussion and parsing about the general

1239
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:52,600
plan and mountain views and sunset views and desert views and all these other views when proceeding

1240
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:59,980
with this would take away all of that. Let me say, I'm opposed to this. I think we need more discussion

1241
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:06,440
We can't go forward with this. We need better ideas and we need them now before we move forward.

1242
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:08,960
Thank you, Mr. English. Kurt Weirick.

1243
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,780
Good evening Mayor. Good evening council. My name is Kurt Weirick.

1244
01:53:16,140 --> 01:53:23,720
And I am a resident of Oral Valley. I live in La Reserves, bought my house in 2007. I love it. It's a beautiful neighborhood.

1245
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:30,780
I've attended both of the neighborhood meetings for this discussion, as well as the Planning Commission,

1246
01:53:30,780 --> 01:53:32,420
in zoning commission last night.

1247
01:53:32,940 --> 01:53:36,000
This is a very unique, special piece of land.

1248
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:37,720
I don't even only have two and a half minutes.

1249
01:53:38,440 --> 01:53:39,000
It's beautiful.

1250
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:44,080
You can't replace this, it's just an amazing sacred space.

1251
01:53:44,540 --> 01:53:46,520
And I think the plans that I have seen

1252
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:48,120
don't do this justice.

1253
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,880
And I think, let's think about the vision for the future.

1254
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:53,940
It's a scenic mountain view.

1255
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:56,140
And if it's turned into a commercial development

1256
01:53:56,140 --> 01:54:00,360
with apartments or town homes or more strip malls,

1257
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:05,680
I think it's going to destroy that, so we don't need more apartments, we don't need more

1258
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:06,320
strip malls.

1259
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:12,280
When I'd like to see is it become open space, and this council has the power and the ability

1260
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:18,520
to zone it as open space, it was donated to the town, let's think long term for the future.

1261
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:25,120
It's a beautiful space, it's a wonderful scenic view, let's maintain that.

1262
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:31,440
And I really strongly also think the project that, as it's been described, oracle road traffic.

1263
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:35,080
I can see it from why I reserve, I see it in my house 24 hours a day.

1264
01:54:35,180 --> 01:54:36,020
It's gridlock.

1265
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:39,540
It's only going to get worse if you have commercial development in there.

1266
01:54:39,900 --> 01:54:44,700
So I would say please keep it as open space for future generations.

1267
01:54:44,820 --> 01:54:47,600
But I appreciate what you do and thank you for listening.

1268
01:54:47,820 --> 01:54:48,620
Thank you.

1269
01:54:48,820 --> 01:54:49,440
Thank you.

1270
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,440
I have no other blue cards for the public hearing for this agenda item.

1271
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,440
if you would like to speak to this agenda item.

1272
01:54:55,700 --> 01:54:57,920
This is your opportunity to do so.

1273
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:00,600
I'm going to close.

1274
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:04,280
Can you please fill out a blue card?

1275
01:55:04,900 --> 01:55:05,140
Yes.

1276
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,000
You'll need to do that.

1277
01:56:00,790 --> 01:56:01,850
If you agree with anyone.

1278
01:56:01,990 --> 01:56:03,270
If you would please state your name

1279
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:05,350
and whether or not you're a resident of Oral Valley.

1280
01:56:06,730 --> 01:56:07,610
Theresa Comer.

1281
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:11,510
I'm a resident of Oral Valley for 13 years.

1282
01:56:13,050 --> 01:56:28,950
I attended two of the meetings prior to this one and watched one on Zoom, so I'm kind of aware of what's going on with the property, although I did not know about the one last night, so I have not seen it.

1283
01:56:30,170 --> 01:56:47,890
I'm just coming on behalf of myself as a kind of town historian who loves the land, loves that property and knows the history of the property from the time when Jack Proctor owned it and then sold it to the Rooney family.

1284
01:56:48,910 --> 01:56:58,210
It's a beautiful space, it is bright at the base of our Oral Valley, Arizona, founded 1974,

1285
01:56:58,550 --> 01:57:03,250
logo behind you, and you can see there's no development there.

1286
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:06,630
That ridge is iconic of our town.

1287
01:57:07,070 --> 01:57:15,390
Push view is the name of that road from when George push made that our kind of landmark

1288
01:57:15,390 --> 01:57:24,410
of the town. So I think it really does deserve the respect that our founders, not only

1289
01:57:24,410 --> 01:57:34,810
of the town, but of the old town going back to the whole home, had there. We respect, we

1290
01:57:34,810 --> 01:57:41,450
should respect the land and keep that space open or at least develop it with something

1291
01:57:41,450 --> 01:57:47,850
in mind for the future, keeping the history in line with the beauty of that ridge.

1292
01:57:48,750 --> 01:57:49,950
Thank you very much, Council.

1293
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:51,550
Thank you.

1294
01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:59,030
I'm going to close the public hearing and invite Principal Planner Mr. Spade to the podium

1295
01:57:59,030 --> 01:58:00,790
and help present this item this evening.

1296
01:58:01,090 --> 01:58:02,150
Welcome, Mr. Spade.

1297
01:58:06,300 --> 01:58:06,660
All right.

1298
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:07,520
Thank you, Mayor.

1299
01:58:07,700 --> 01:58:08,700
Members of the Council.

1300
01:58:08,980 --> 01:58:12,120
My name is Michael Spade, Principal Planner with the Town of World Alley.

1301
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:21,160
As Mr. Standish said, the purpose for this item is to consider two applications related to the town owned portions of the Oral Valley Town Center.

1302
01:58:21,780 --> 01:58:27,980
The first being item A, a general plan amendment, and the second item B is a PAD amendment or rezoning.

1303
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:36,080
Planning and zoning commission considered both applications at a public hearing last evening and has recommended approval of both items.

1304
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:46,320
And I would like to just remind Council that there are two motions this evening, because there are two items and the action on item B is dependent upon the approval of item A.

1305
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:49,220
Bless you.

1306
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:58,780
So as I'm jumping in, I'd just like to kind of go over some of the overarching goals of the project and what we really anticipate for the future site development.

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We're really in phase one of at least a three phase project that is looking at the zoning for the property and the overall aim for future development as highlighted here on the screen reflects some of the direction that we receive from council last year in September.

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namely expanding open space on the property as of right now the plan before you

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01:59:22,620 --> 01:59:30,480
proposes 88 acres of permanent open space which is about 78% of the subject

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01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:34,280
properties that we're looking at tonight in areas two three and four much of

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01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:39,580
that is being created by the elimination of single family residential in area four

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currently entitled our 77 detached single family lots that you can see there at the bottom

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of that image. Those are being entirely eliminated as part of this proposal. Another aim

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is to reduce building heights on the town owned areas and then adopt zoning to essential.

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We kind of set the table for the potential future sale of the town owned portions of this area. As we dove into the project, we revised site designs that staff felt are, we're hoping, feel are attractive to future residents as well as future buyers of the property.

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we were aiming to get a better mix of commercial and residential acreage on the property than currently exist today.

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Incorporate gathering areas throughout the site and then also provide a preliminary appraisal which I'll touch on here in a minute.

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So as part of the project, the key elements that are being changed as part of what was included in your packet are shown here on the table on the left and I'll just quickly walk through those.

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Again, so open space is increasing from 69 acres to about 88 acres, which again is 78% of the subject area we're reviewing tonight.

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By eliminating those, those homes in the South and Area 4, the buffer for neighbors in the Elk and Kiesidor patio homes has increased from about 100 feet to 350 feet, so not a small increase there.

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On the town owned portions area three and area four, we're including some limitations on building heights as you can see there.

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The current existing entitlement for area three and area two are 40 feet for retail 50 for office as well as the potential 75 foot 5 story hotel.

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So, those are being removed as part of this application.

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The commercial acreage is being increased by about seven acres, and we are proposing to

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limit development along the Oracle corridor that kind of commercial corridor away from

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neighbors as much as possible.

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Again, aiming to try and have a better mix of the commercial and residential acreage, as

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you can see there in the table, and then also providing an appraisal for Council's consideration.

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So, just to quickly provide some background and history on the project, for those who aren't familiar with what a PAD represents, a planned area development is a specific set of zoning documents or zoning guidelines for a site specific area in this

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in this case, the Oral Valley Town Center.

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02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,860
So this particular PAD is a total of 141 acres

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02:02:20,860 --> 02:02:22,340
made up of four areas,

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and you can see in the graphic there on the right.

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There are two commercial areas, area one and two,

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a mixed use area in area three,

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and then area four is currently entitled for residential.

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I would like to point out none of the proposed changes

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02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:37,960
in your packet effect area one at all.

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02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:41,780
The PAD itself was originally zoned in 2002,

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02:02:41,780 --> 02:02:50,460
with amendments in 2012 and 2019 and also in 2019 is one of the residents mentioned

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02:02:50,460 --> 02:02:56,100
areas three and area four were donated by the Rudy family to the town. Last year

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town council did initiate a general plan amendment for an area four and a rezoning

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for areas three and four. So jumping into the two applications we're considering

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the first again is that general plan amendment for portions of area four that are shown here

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02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:18,360
in the dashed yellow line. You can see in the left hand image that area is currently designated

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02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:26,340
as low density residential two that kind of oranges yellow. And these land use designations on

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02:03:26,340 --> 02:03:32,220
the general plan are being changed to accommodate the proposed uses that are being included in item

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so this step is necessary preceding the next application.

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02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:41,080
And so as part of the proposed general plan change,

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02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:45,300
we're proposing to change it to commercial and regional commercial

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02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:48,200
along Oracle Road, shown there in red,

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02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:52,460
and then open space for the remainder of the area

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02:03:52,460 --> 02:03:56,520
in the yellow dotted line that is closest to neighbors to the south.

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General plan amendments are reviewed for conformance

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02:04:00,220 --> 02:04:02,880
with the general plan, including the vision,

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02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,820
the guiding principles, goals and actions,

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just like you talked about on the first item

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on this agenda this evening.

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With this particular application staff focused

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02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:14,680
on goals and actions specific to view impacts,

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02:04:15,300 --> 02:04:19,200
land use transitions, traffic, as well as open space

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02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,980
and the provision of buffers to neighbors.

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02:04:23,900 --> 02:04:25,180
General plan, amendment applications

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02:04:25,180 --> 02:04:26,820
are also reviewed for conformance

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02:04:26,820 --> 02:04:28,700
with the specific amendment criteria

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02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:35,160
in the general plan in the zoning code, which requires overall general plan conformance ensuring

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02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:40,860
that the application in incorporated effective public outreach, and then for non-residential

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02:04:40,860 --> 02:04:46,520
applications like this does the application contribute to the long-term economic stability of the

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02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:53,280
town. So in summary, the general plan amendment itself is in conformance with all of this criteria.

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Moving on to item B. Again, the PAD amendment or rezoning. Again, it's primarily for the town owned portions of area three and area four, but does include a name change to area two and I'll describe what I mean by that in just a minute.

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But none of the area two property rights or site plans are being changed as part of this development application.

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02:05:19,180 --> 02:05:22,460
The rezoning itself really has three key elements.

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02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,660
The first is revising the overall area plan.

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02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:29,560
The second is incorporating new illustrative site plans,

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02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:31,480
and I'll describe what I mean by that.

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02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,060
And then thirdly are some minor text changes

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02:05:34,060 --> 02:05:37,540
to the PAD document itself to reflect the new site plans.

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02:05:40,130 --> 02:05:43,470
So the first change, again, is revising the overall area plan.

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02:05:43,710 --> 02:05:46,230
Again, no changes are being made to area one,

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02:05:46,430 --> 02:05:47,230
shown here in red.

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02:05:47,650 --> 02:05:50,510
The existing area plan is shown on the left hand side

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02:05:50,510 --> 02:05:55,530
the screen and you can see that there are three areas south of the Rooney Wash areas

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02:05:55,530 --> 02:06:02,630
two area three and area four area two is owned by Kichel who was invited to be part

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02:06:02,630 --> 02:06:08,430
of the rezoning and did work with the town to help develop comprehensive and cohesive

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02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:14,190
site plans or site designs but ultimately opted to not be a part of the rezoning.

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So, because they're not a part of the rezoning, we have revised the area plan on the right to separate area 2A and 2B from each other.

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02:06:25,530 --> 02:06:31,270
So, the town owned portions would be area 3, area 4 and area 2B.

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02:06:33,170 --> 02:06:40,910
All of the site designs included in your packet as well as all of the development standards acknowledged that none of the site plan changes

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02:06:40,910 --> 02:06:45,070
or there are no site plan changes or development standard changes for the

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02:06:45,070 --> 02:06:51,190
kichel piece shown there is area 2A and recognizes that again there are going to be

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02:06:51,190 --> 02:06:57,310
five new areas within the PAD. It's worth noting that should the owner of area 2A

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02:06:57,310 --> 02:07:02,950
kichel in the future want to develop in alignment with the site plans that we're going to

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02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:09,530
discuss for area 2B that flexibility is worked into the PAD document so that is an option.

1394
02:07:10,910 --> 02:07:15,410
So, again, the second element is to introduce some new illustrative site plans.

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02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:22,510
So, for area 2, be there are two commercial site plans and for area 3, there are two residential

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02:07:22,510 --> 02:07:23,490
site plans.

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02:07:24,110 --> 02:07:29,730
All four of these, if approved, as presented, would be included in the PAD.

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02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:36,280
Document and future developers would be able to pick which one they wanted to utilize in each respective area.

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02:07:37,380 --> 02:07:47,540
So, specifically, in area 2B, again, there's two commercial options. One is really your kind of traditional or standard commercial design with pads up along

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02:07:47,540 --> 02:07:53,540
Oracle Road and the larger building footprints pushed further back to preserve view corridors.

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02:07:53,540 --> 02:07:59,400
just to think of like the target shopping center across the street is a good example of what a

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02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:04,240
traditional commercial shopping center would be like. And then the linear commercial shopping center

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02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:10,920
shown there on the right is very similar to the existing CVS panera bread chipotle shopping

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02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:17,180
area, just north of this in area one. So those are the two concepts, both concepts is a

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02:08:17,180 --> 02:08:23,840
for a typical commercial C2 uses like retail restaurant office hotel of things of that nature.

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02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:30,840
For the town owned portion in area 2B, we're proposing building heights of 34 feet within

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02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:38,180
200 feet of the Oracle Road right away and 49 feet beyond 200 feet. Again, pushing those larger

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02:08:38,180 --> 02:08:44,180
buildings back to protect viewsheds. Access to that area would be from the existing push

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02:08:44,180 --> 02:08:50,360
If you lane bridge at the light at the intersection, we do recognize that this will require

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02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:57,020
cross-axis agreements with Kitchell, which would be worked out in later phases of this project.

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02:08:57,740 --> 02:09:03,780
But both designs also incorporate a new right-in, right-out access point down there at the

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02:09:03,780 --> 02:09:09,260
south end that will need to ultimately be approved by A.D., because it's connecting to Oracle

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02:09:09,260 --> 02:09:16,660
road, but preliminary review in towns, standards, that access point does comply with all requirements.

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02:09:19,580 --> 02:09:23,300
As far as building heights go, I'd just like to quickly provide a little context. So,

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in that shopping center up in area one, we're looking at a graphic on the left of CBS,

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02:09:28,300 --> 02:09:34,020
there at the top of the image, Panera Bridge, Chipotle, and so forth. So, that shopping center right

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02:09:34,020 --> 02:09:40,080
now has building heights ranging from 25 feet to 30 feet as you can see in that graphic on the left.

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They do incorporate varied roof lines which are required by code and you can see an example of that and that right hand image there

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02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:52,760
and the purpose of those is to really screen those rooftop mechanical equipment

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02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:57,160
that are all those little red stars that are on that left hand image there

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02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:01,980
so quite a number of rooftop mechanical equipment and code requires that those be screened

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02:10:02,820 --> 02:10:07,500
not only for more a cold but from adjacent neighbors and resonances and so on

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So, it's just provide a little context of what area one has incorporated.

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02:10:13,180 --> 02:10:17,700
As far as area three goes, again there are two concepts, one for apartments and one for

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02:10:17,700 --> 02:10:27,300
town homes, both the apartments include a concept that anticipates between 225 and 300

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02:10:27,300 --> 02:10:27,840
units.

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Excuse me, I have a misprint there.

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And the town homes are four about 105 to 115 homes in this area because it's set back a

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02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:45,360
bit building heights range from 40 feet for the two buildings closest to Oracle Road up to 49 feet

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02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:51,820
for the buildings set back a little bit and I shall point out that those building heights do

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02:10:51,820 --> 02:10:58,680
incorporate the 10 foot of extra architectural features to help screen some of that rooftop mechanic

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02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:05,320
equipment area three would be accessed from the existing push view lane bridge at the Oracle

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02:11:05,320 --> 02:11:12,160
intersection and then a future bridge heading north, connecting to first avenue that

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02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:17,460
depending on what the developer wants to do, it could be a vehicle and pedestrian

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02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:22,020
bridge or just a pedestrian bridge either way. And that option is there as well.

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So I just wanted to also provide a little context of the existing

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02:11:27,460 --> 02:11:35,780
via San Dorado apartments, so this is an example of what they've done for two story

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02:11:35,780 --> 02:11:41,220
buildings at 27 feet, and then three stories at 38 feet, and you can see how they've

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02:11:41,220 --> 02:11:45,860
kind of been broken out to step back a little bit again from the scenic corridor along

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02:11:45,860 --> 02:11:55,120
Oracle Road. As far as area four goes, again the proposal intends to eliminate all 77

1441
02:11:55,120 --> 02:12:00,860
single family lots along the south border there and area four again increasing that

1442
02:12:00,860 --> 02:12:06,240
buffer for neighbors and increasing the overall open space by about 25

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02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:14,280
acres up to 88 acres and in area four the PAD only allows natural open space

1444
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:18,840
trails and trailheads as permitted uses and then there is a little piece along

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02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:23,400
Oracle Road adjacent to Kitchell's piece that we're proposing to change to

1446
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:26,260
additional commercial acreage.

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02:12:28,080 --> 02:12:33,620
The applications were presented at two neighborhood meetings in February and March of this year.

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Some key themes are key topics that were discussed at both meetings include minimizing view impacts,

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02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:41,600
traffic, and open space preservation.

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02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:46,860
I'm going to quickly walk through how the applications address all three of those.

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02:12:47,860 --> 02:12:53,580
So, again, with regard to minimizing view impacts, we really did try to consolidate development

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02:12:53,580 --> 02:12:58,640
as far away from neighbors as possible, really pushing development up along that commercial

1453
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:00,700
corridor along Oracle Road.

1454
02:13:00,900 --> 02:13:05,680
Those areas, of course, are in areas that really have minimal visibility to neighbors

1455
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:11,800
to the east and to the south, and then, again, also moving taller structures back away from

1456
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:16,000
seen a corridor to help minimize view impacts to a Oracle road.

1457
02:13:17,740 --> 02:13:23,800
The area of area 2b, as you can see in this graphic here, sits about 60 feet lower than

1458
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:30,600
the surrounding crests of the ridges to the south and to the east. You can't see it there,

1459
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:34,900
but I assure you that's where the oak and pieces or patio homes are where it's pointed

1460
02:13:34,900 --> 02:13:41,480
out in the right-hand side of the screen. So again, about 60 feet lower than those homes to

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02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:48,680
itself. Again, by eliminating the single-family residential, we've increased the buffer substantially

1462
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:54,720
to the neighbors in the Elcom case that are patio homes there. And then we did have our

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02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:59,980
consultant put together a graphic to kind of demonstrate what the proposed development might

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02:13:59,980 --> 02:14:04,400
look like. So if you look at the map at the top right of the screen, where that little red

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02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:09,820
star is, is where this picture is taking kind of looking northwest. And so you can see the

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02:14:09,820 --> 02:14:15,920
buildings there and the proposed image fitting in with some of the built environment along the

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02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:21,700
or Oracle corridor. And again, all of these buildings would have to comply with the town's

1468
02:14:21,700 --> 02:14:28,300
architectural guidelines and standards and would help fit in a little bit more. So moving on to

1469
02:14:28,300 --> 02:14:35,360
area three, this area again sits significantly lower than the surrounding crests of the ridges

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02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:41,220
anywhere from about 55 feet to 65 feet as you can see there in this graphic.

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After the left of the image you can see the some of the law reserve homes back to the east.

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02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:59,820
So this area sits about 575 feet from from the law reserve homes to the east and what's not shown in this graphic, but you can see the little yellowish.

1473
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,900
On the left hand image is a pretty significant slope between those two that access kind of a natural barrier, a visual barrier, to any potential development.

1474
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:25,920
Again, we do have renderings for this area, and you can see we took this picture at the east end of the Elcomtesis or patio homes kind of looking north, northwest to really look up that kind of wash valley that goes through the property.

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and you can see in the existing image on the left

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02:15:28,180 --> 02:15:31,620
where the Lopisata building is and then on the right

1477
02:15:31,620 --> 02:15:34,540
where the proposed apartments are.

1478
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:38,040
And so you can see that they fit in with the built environment

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02:15:38,040 --> 02:15:40,560
and the natural vegetation pretty well.

1480
02:15:41,940 --> 02:15:44,880
Another key element staff looked at was impacts

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02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:45,940
from Oracle Road.

1482
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:49,460
This graphic was taken right in front of Chipotle,

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02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:52,080
looking kind of southeast back towards

1484
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:53,700
where the old mattress firm was.

1485
02:15:53,700 --> 02:16:00,060
And so this is a kind of a representation of what the 49-foot tall apartment building would

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02:16:00,060 --> 02:16:05,540
look like from Oracle Road relative to the existing buildings out in the area.

1487
02:16:07,180 --> 02:16:12,120
With regard to traffic that was discussed at neighborhood meetings, the area, it's worth

1488
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:19,360
keeping in mind that the subject properties are currently entitled for commercial retail apartments,

1489
02:16:20,420 --> 02:16:21,920
hotels, single-family residential.

1490
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:28,380
and so when comparing the anticipated traffic counts for what's being considered this evening to

1491
02:16:28,380 --> 02:16:34,620
deals existing traffic counts that were approved as part of the previous TIA, staff does

1492
02:16:34,620 --> 02:16:41,800
anticipate that those would be roughly the same if not less than those numbers. And we did take a

1493
02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:47,520
look at two segments of Oracle Road in response to some of the questions we got from neighbors.

1494
02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:53,720
those being push-view lanes south to Linda Vista and then push-view lane north to

1495
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:59,020
Tangerine and you can see by those numbers there is still capacity in both of

1496
02:16:59,020 --> 02:17:03,880
those segments of Oracle Road to handle anticipated traffic increases.

1497
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:06,140
And then

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02:17:06,140 --> 02:17:11,020
lastly the preservation of open space again eliminating those single family homes

1499
02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:16,640
increasing permanent protected open space to 88 acres and limiting permitted

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02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:23,960
uses to just trails and trailhead, certainly contributes to open space preservation.

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02:17:25,620 --> 02:17:32,860
As was mentioned, the Commission considered both applications last night and they also discussed

1502
02:17:32,860 --> 02:17:37,780
some traffic impacts and open space preservation and ultimately recommended approval

1503
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:39,460
of both items.

1504
02:17:41,970 --> 02:17:48,470
So, in summary, again, we're here to discuss two items related to the undeveloped portions,

1505
02:17:48,890 --> 02:17:51,270
town owned portions of the Oral Valley Town Center.

1506
02:17:51,790 --> 02:17:55,450
The first is the general plan amendment, and the second is the rezoning.

1507
02:17:56,350 --> 02:18:01,230
I would like to point out, again, that a number of things are being changed in a positive

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02:18:01,230 --> 02:18:06,130
light from staff's perspective as part of this, including open space, a larger buffer

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02:18:06,130 --> 02:18:13,030
neighbors, reduced building ice increased commercial acreage, really limiting development

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02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:19,010
along the Oracle corridor and having a better mix of commercial and residential acreage.

1511
02:18:20,190 --> 02:18:25,310
And then ultimately providing the appraisal that town council requested last time we met.

1512
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:30,690
Again, I would point out, oh, and I should say the appraiser is here this evening, so if you do

1513
02:18:30,690 --> 02:18:36,110
have any questions about what was provided in your staff reports, I will gladly defer all

1514
02:18:36,110 --> 02:18:42,070
those questions to him. But again, I would just like to reiterate, I put the schedule for the project

1515
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:47,570
on here on the right-hand side of the screen. We are really in phase one, really focused on

1516
02:18:47,570 --> 02:18:52,130
the zoning and entitlement and trying to figure out what's appropriate for the property,

1517
02:18:52,350 --> 02:18:57,670
and then of course phase two, would be the future sale that council would certainly weigh in on

1518
02:18:57,670 --> 02:19:02,510
an ultimately development by the private sector down the road. Should that be the direction council

1519
02:19:02,510 --> 02:19:08,450
once to go. So, that's a mouthful. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That concludes my presentation.

1520
02:19:08,670 --> 02:19:17,890
Again, I would just like to remind you that two motions are required this evening in item B, action on item B, dependent on what you do with item A.

1521
02:19:18,270 --> 02:19:21,630
So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And again, I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

1522
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:30,250
Thank you, Mr. Spade. We appreciate all the work that you and other members of the planning staff have done for this project.

1523
02:19:30,250 --> 02:19:34,170
I'd like to just speak briefly to those who spoke during the public hearing.

1524
02:19:35,150 --> 02:19:39,570
I certainly understand the desire to keep this land and develop,

1525
02:19:40,830 --> 02:19:43,430
especially given its location and views.

1526
02:19:44,650 --> 02:19:47,670
I've lived in Oral Valley for 30 years.

1527
02:19:47,970 --> 02:19:49,490
I'm a landscape architect.

1528
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:53,610
I have an appreciation for open space and views,

1529
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:56,910
and it's certainly something that this council has

1530
02:19:56,910 --> 02:20:01,470
driven to honor in our community.

1531
02:20:01,830 --> 02:20:04,830
At the same time, this is a community asset

1532
02:20:04,830 --> 02:20:08,090
that we have an obligation to manage responsibly.

1533
02:20:08,910 --> 02:20:10,870
And that includes, at least in my view,

1534
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:13,770
generating value that can be reinvested

1535
02:20:13,770 --> 02:20:16,030
back into our community,

1536
02:20:16,430 --> 02:20:19,510
such as our future police facility.

1537
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:26,150
Looking at the appraisals data that has been provided,

1538
02:20:26,910 --> 02:20:40,770
The value generated by this proposed development could be somewhere around $10 million towards the town and towards the future police facility.

1539
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:46,430
That's accomplished while still preserving significant open space.

1540
02:20:46,570 --> 02:20:52,430
It was mentioned my Mr. Spade 88 acres are almost 78% of this site.

1541
02:20:52,430 --> 02:21:02,570
It provides an ownership housing option that's limited in oral ballet, and we've heard from

1542
02:21:02,570 --> 02:21:12,150
our residents that town homes is a type of housing that they would support.

1543
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:23,030
And it provides support to existing and potentially new businesses in the vicinity of this project.

1544
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:33,850
I realize that that may and doesn't necessarily address your concerns and I respect your concerns.

1545
02:21:33,850 --> 02:21:41,830
And in regards to item A, I move to approve resolution number R26-21 proposed general plan

1546
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:53,190
amendment for area four from low density residential to community and regional to community

1547
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:58,310
and regional commercial and open space on town own property only included in attachment

1548
02:21:58,310 --> 02:22:04,750
one based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the your voice, our future

1549
02:22:04,750 --> 02:22:11,270
general plan. Second, second by council member Green, and certainly we'll open it up for

1550
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:13,890
discussion and questions for Mr. Spate.

1551
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:17,220
Vice Mayor?

1552
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:22,270
I would just like to comment, I'm going to

1553
02:22:22,270 --> 02:22:28,770
vote in favor of this general plan amendment, and I don't take that lightly. To my recollection,

1554
02:22:28,770 --> 02:22:29,970
This is the first time.

1555
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:37,760
In eight years that I've voted to change the general plan, unless there's a time that I'm not remembering at the moment.

1556
02:22:38,740 --> 02:22:58,960
So, the reason that I am going to move forward with that is because the current general plan and the current land use allowed on that property involves quite a bit of housing that goes all the way up through those hillsides, and there's a substantial amount of grading that is required to put in those housing.

1557
02:22:59,620 --> 02:23:04,420
There's a lot of grading waivers, and I'm not saying there won't be any grading on this

1558
02:23:04,420 --> 02:23:10,340
section, but the grading would be up close to Oracle Road versus those whole hill

1559
02:23:10,340 --> 02:23:15,660
sides all the way up that are so beautiful at the foot hills of those mountain sides.

1560
02:23:16,420 --> 02:23:25,640
And so making sure that that section was preserved, and that those hillsides were preserved,

1561
02:23:25,640 --> 02:23:32,620
Was very important to me and has been very important to me since we acquired this property seven years ago

1562
02:23:34,940 --> 02:23:36,140
And so

1563
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:39,300
That's that's a key and critical

1564
02:23:39,300 --> 02:23:42,580
Point in moving forward with this

1565
02:23:42,580 --> 02:23:47,680
General planet amendment for me in addition to some of the other reasons that have been stated

1566
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:55,040
But I certainly do not take that lightly and I think that the preservation of that open space on those hillsides is

1567
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:57,460
something that has been a goal of mine.

1568
02:23:57,940 --> 02:24:01,060
And protecting against that substantial amount

1569
02:24:01,060 --> 02:24:04,680
of cutting and grading where those homes are currently

1570
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:05,480
zoned.

1571
02:24:05,560 --> 02:24:10,920
Councilmember Green, thank you for the presentation, Mr. Spade.

1572
02:24:11,800 --> 02:24:14,060
I seconded the motion, because I

1573
02:24:14,060 --> 02:24:17,820
have walked all around that property, and I

1574
02:24:17,820 --> 02:24:21,800
have seen drones put up at the heights that we're

1575
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:28,500
And then take it a look at those drones from Oracle as well as for the housing areas.

1576
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:34,820
And the amount if anything that it obstruct views is minimal to nothing.

1577
02:24:35,300 --> 02:24:39,020
And I love the idea that we're preserving the open space.

1578
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:43,140
I moved to Boston for a job when I retired from that.

1579
02:24:43,220 --> 02:24:45,220
I couldn't wait to get back here.

1580
02:24:45,660 --> 02:24:51,560
And when I was explaining what I loved about coming back here was the open space,

1581
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:56,060
the beauty of the mountains and the things that we're working to try to preserve.

1582
02:24:56,360 --> 02:25:04,840
So I appreciate the folks that testified tonight, but I am voting to try to allow some

1583
02:25:04,840 --> 02:25:06,640
minimum development in this area.

1584
02:25:07,180 --> 02:25:08,160
Councilmember Murphy.

1585
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:15,720
Thank you. I just want to echo the mayor's sentiments. I think this is about a very

1586
02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:20,140
careful balance. So I want you to know that we've definitely heard what you were saying.

1587
02:25:20,140 --> 02:25:26,660
We've heard some of these comments before, which is why we insisted that staff go back and really

1588
02:25:26,660 --> 02:25:28,120
truly look at the open space.

1589
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:32,840
So to the staff, I really appreciate that you listened and that you did that because that's

1590
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:34,820
what our residents deserve and need.

1591
02:25:35,940 --> 02:25:40,940
So I would say almost 80% open space is amazing for this.

1592
02:25:40,940 --> 02:26:08,800
And again, we're removing this down towards Oracle Road and to councilmember greens point, I too went out with staff and looked at the drone and I was shocked when I went out to Oracle Road. I thought for sure I'm going to see some of the building above the buildings that were in front and I didn't see it at all. And I finally found the drone and it was down, they showed a photo of it earlier if you want me to pull it back up. But it was down, sure, do you mind showing?

1593
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:25,620
And it was down so low, I said, from Oracle, at least, where it was in between that, where the black dots are, it was below the building, and I thought, wow, that's an optical illusion, because I thought I didn't realize it would be that low.

1594
02:26:27,140 --> 02:26:33,140
So, I echo as sentiment, I hear you, I think that this has to be about a careful balance

1595
02:26:33,140 --> 02:26:39,120
for all of Oral Valley in the general plan, the long-term economic stability, super important.

1596
02:26:39,260 --> 02:26:43,400
We've got to look towards the future for all residents and for everyone, and I think this

1597
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:45,940
is a really good reasonable compromise here.

1598
02:26:48,750 --> 02:26:53,850
Okay, seeing no other comments, so there's a motion on the table, all in favor say I,

1599
02:26:57,710 --> 02:26:57,710
I,

1600
02:26:57,710 --> 02:27:26,570
I'm going to read a motion for Item B. There's a bit of a adjustment from what's in your packet, my council member. So I move to approve ordinance number 026-07, the proposed plan area development amendment included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with your voice, our future general plan and all applicable zoning code requirements.

1601
02:27:26,570 --> 02:27:33,590
subject to further condition that area three be restricted to one or two

1602
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:39,690
story town homes to sell for ownership. If area two B becomes a linear

1603
02:27:39,690 --> 02:27:45,250
commercial, the height shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of architectural

1604
02:27:45,250 --> 02:27:50,650
features consistent with existing retail. Second, seconded by Councilmember

1605
02:27:50,650 --> 02:27:52,350
screen, discussion,

1606
02:27:55,500 --> 02:27:55,500
clarification.

1607
02:27:56,950 --> 02:28:01,460
OK, so there are two options.

1608
02:28:01,660 --> 02:28:04,680
There was the apartment option and the townhome option.

1609
02:28:05,260 --> 02:28:10,800
And so in my motion, I've limited it to the townhome option, one or two

1610
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:14,260
story, and visiting with our planning staff.

1611
02:28:14,260 --> 02:28:21,840
They've reached out to potential developers that were very supportive of

1612
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:28,900
homes. And I believe that that's really would be supported by the majority of residents, not

1613
02:28:28,900 --> 02:28:31,180
by every resident, but by the majority of the residents.

1614
02:28:31,960 --> 02:28:36,080
Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you. That's what I was going to ask staff. Is this a viable

1615
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:40,660
option? Because we want to make sure that if we're going through all of this commotion that

1616
02:28:40,660 --> 02:28:45,560
it's going to be viable. But it sounds like you already answered the mayor's question. So we've

1617
02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:48,900
got developers that may be interested in that. That's great. Perfect.

1618
02:28:50,910 --> 02:28:53,030
Can you remember Nicholson?

1619
02:28:53,270 --> 02:28:55,350
I want to say one thing.

1620
02:28:55,370 --> 02:29:03,830
Generally, they don't want apartments, but if they were apartments, the general rule of thumb is you want to pay 10% land value for the tire projects.

1621
02:29:03,950 --> 02:29:19,210
So if you did 250 apartments, and 250,000 dollars of peace to be, you know, a $5 million Liancel, which would be $5 million tax payer revenue versus town homes, which may be just a couple million.

1622
02:29:19,210 --> 02:29:26,350
So, well, the appraisers report, it showed both the apartments and the town homes, and they were very comfortable.

1623
02:29:27,050 --> 02:29:29,110
And for me personally, Council members,

1624
02:29:32,070 --> 02:29:39,950
I accept the fact that maybe the town home option may not generate, perhaps as much money,

1625
02:29:40,470 --> 02:29:45,670
but I believe that there's a greater need for town homes in our community.

1626
02:29:45,670 --> 02:29:52,070
I believe that that would be supported by more residents than apartments.

1627
02:29:52,930 --> 02:29:58,190
And for as long as I've been on council, this has been an interest in, you know,

1628
02:29:58,350 --> 02:29:59,590
we've asked, I've asked developers.

1629
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,120
Why won't you propose town homes and, you know, for a variety of reasons, they've just not shown an interest.

1630
02:30:08,380 --> 02:30:19,420
But now we have the opportunity to bring town homes to our community. And I think the, at least the value from what we've seen from the appraisal is that it's comparable.

1631
02:30:19,420 --> 02:30:25,840
Well, the appraiser is here. Is that right, Michael, or Mr. Spade?

1632
02:30:30,140 --> 02:30:32,820
Could you, can you want to come forward and

1633
02:30:41,260 --> 02:30:42,500
good evening Mayor and council?

1634
02:30:42,820 --> 02:30:44,140
Well, can you just stay here name?

1635
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:48,180
My name is Michael Nafie. I'm a commercial real estate appraiser.

1636
02:30:48,600 --> 02:30:51,220
I've been appraising for about 45 years.

1637
02:30:51,740 --> 02:30:54,780
So I've been doing that almost as long as the town's been in existence.

1638
02:30:58,420 --> 02:31:07,740
And I probably have one of the broadest experiences as an appraiser in this community.

1639
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:13,080
I've done things like the Reethion plant.

1640
02:31:13,620 --> 02:31:19,120
And I've done things like helping people get the San Rafael ranch into a conservation

1641
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:29,980
So open space and balance is something that's a novel idea to me or something that's

1642
02:31:29,980 --> 02:31:30,820
frowned upon.

1643
02:31:32,440 --> 02:31:38,460
So one of the things that I like to look at is what's best and what's the balance.

1644
02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:44,460
It's really important so you're a little legislated body.

1645
02:31:44,460 --> 02:31:49,480
So, the more flexibility that you can give yourselves, the better off you are.

1646
02:31:49,900 --> 02:31:55,000
Because markets change, demand changes, cycles change, all sorts of things change.

1647
02:31:55,520 --> 02:32:01,680
So the more fluid, so, so, and from the standpoint of having invested in and also

1648
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:02,860
appraised and consulted,

1649
02:32:05,220 --> 02:32:10,700
I would encourage you to have flexibility, it helps your options

1650
02:32:10,700 --> 02:32:14,120
down the road and helps the community because you're there to help the community.

1651
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:17,680
And I really take that seriously.

1652
02:32:22,540 --> 02:32:29,580
This was a very preliminary consultative report for the planning staff and the council.

1653
02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:34,380
So it's not, you know, ironclad stamped and stoned.

1654
02:32:34,620 --> 02:32:37,920
There's a broad range and it was done for a reason.

1655
02:32:38,620 --> 02:32:45,440
There are steps that you can take to hopefully create value within this property.

1656
02:32:49,980 --> 02:32:54,320
And by the way, the townhouse, you might have to work harder,

1657
02:32:56,600 --> 02:32:57,860
demand might change.

1658
02:32:58,740 --> 02:33:00,080
I don't know.

1659
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:02,420
I can't forecast the future very well.

1660
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:04,500
Nobody else seems to be able to either.

1661
02:33:04,500 --> 02:33:05,200
So,

1662
02:33:07,220 --> 02:33:10,500
again, my encouragement is be flexible.

1663
02:33:11,800 --> 02:33:13,520
I think by the way, I will tell you this.

1664
02:33:13,880 --> 02:33:17,720
I like to make suggestions when I do these reports and help clients.

1665
02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:20,040
So one of the suggestions was, hey, by the way,

1666
02:33:20,400 --> 02:33:24,040
you need to reach out and talk to the development community in the community a little bit

1667
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:28,600
so that you get an idea of what's really where there's some demand

1668
02:33:28,600 --> 02:33:29,760
and things like that.

1669
02:33:29,880 --> 02:33:32,840
Of course, buyer said, we already did that.

1670
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:41,600
So your staffs on the ball, they did exactly what, if I was sitting in your position, I would

1671
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:43,040
want them to do.

1672
02:33:44,020 --> 02:33:50,000
So y'all did well, I know, I know, you don't really want to hear that, but y'all did well.

1673
02:33:51,380 --> 02:33:51,960
So thank you.

1674
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:53,480
So I hope that helps.

1675
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:57,240
So in terms of the value, yes, there's some similarities.

1676
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:01,560
Or there can be similarities.

1677
02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:07,940
The problem is the demand, the developer demand,

1678
02:34:08,220 --> 02:34:10,920
even not the user demand, but the developer demand

1679
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:14,300
is thinner for town homes and apartments.

1680
02:34:15,940 --> 02:34:21,060
There's also, you can do things where you can mix and match.

1681
02:34:22,480 --> 02:34:25,800
So, the other, and something that Mayor, you brought up,

1682
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:29,440
all right, I think you brought up, but somebody brought up and said,

1683
02:34:29,440 --> 02:34:35,960
Look, we got to have residences, so they buy stuff from the commercial people.

1684
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:40,280
If you don't have that, you're not going to get the other.

1685
02:34:41,060 --> 02:34:48,000
So there's the economic principle of balance, which is a fundamental balance for evaluation,

1686
02:34:48,820 --> 02:34:50,400
balance is very important.

1687
02:34:52,520 --> 02:34:56,580
And I hope you don't feel like I'm lecturing that, but I hope you feel like I'm trying very

1688
02:34:56,580 --> 02:35:04,180
hard to give you a broad-based explanation of what I get.

1689
02:35:04,480 --> 02:35:10,760
Yeah, so when I read your report and you gave the appraisal of both the apartments and

1690
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:14,420
the town homes, they were very comparable.

1691
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:15,820
Is that correct?

1692
02:35:17,580 --> 02:35:17,720
Pardon?

1693
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:27,320
For the four million for, I believe it was four million for the townhomes departments.

1694
02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:33,080
And there was a range, there was a range of four to seven million round of figures.

1695
02:35:33,460 --> 02:35:42,520
Four to seven, so I'm speaking conservatively, and then on the commercial, the range was, the range was three,

1696
02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:46,700
basically four to six and a half. Okay. Again, round a number.

1697
02:35:51,290 --> 02:35:52,650
Did you have any other questions?

1698
02:35:53,070 --> 02:35:56,030
I hope I answered your question. Councilmember Nicholson.

1699
02:35:56,330 --> 02:36:02,350
So when we do sell these, do they go to auction or do you list it for a sales price and people come in

1700
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:11,630
and make offers? You could do either. I've actually held an auction on lots on some lots

1701
02:36:11,630 --> 02:36:13,290
and did very well.

1702
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:15,250
That's when I'll turn it to the sale.

1703
02:36:15,970 --> 02:36:21,930
So, and putting a sign on the property and marketing it, that's just another way to do it.

1704
02:36:22,130 --> 02:36:27,590
In this particular case, by the way, though, this is not a general public type of auction.

1705
02:36:28,050 --> 02:36:32,950
There's a select group of people that will be interested in this type of development.

1706
02:36:33,810 --> 02:36:37,830
Some will look at both, but most will look at one or the other.

1707
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:45,630
And so the best thing you do is have a knowledgeable broker list of property and take it out to the market.

1708
02:36:46,090 --> 02:36:49,930
They will talk to the people that are the decision makers that are interested in buying the property.

1709
02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:51,330
Can't remember Nicholson.

1710
02:36:52,050 --> 02:36:54,390
I would suggest listing it for sale.

1711
02:36:54,590 --> 02:36:56,350
Honestly, you should probably list it for both option.

1712
02:36:56,390 --> 02:36:58,330
You said the town hall market is very slim.

1713
02:36:58,830 --> 02:37:00,490
That is a complete understanding of it.

1714
02:37:00,490 --> 02:37:04,250
It is very small town homes compared to there's a huge demand for apartments.

1715
02:37:04,250 --> 02:37:08,070
especially the size we have, the 13, 14 acres for that parcel.

1716
02:37:08,610 --> 02:37:12,050
If you're nice to do either or and then they come back

1717
02:37:12,050 --> 02:37:14,370
and let's say the town homes are only brought in two million

1718
02:37:14,370 --> 02:37:16,810
but then we had offers for seven million for apartments.

1719
02:37:17,430 --> 02:37:19,230
Then I think it'd be a good thing for council decide

1720
02:37:19,230 --> 02:37:21,390
like do we want the higher stuff for apartments

1721
02:37:21,930 --> 02:37:24,330
because several million dollars make a huge difference.

1722
02:37:24,530 --> 02:37:26,130
But I mean if they both come in we have someone

1723
02:37:26,130 --> 02:37:28,530
that wants to buy it for four million for town homes

1724
02:37:28,530 --> 02:37:29,970
or five million for apartments and it's like

1725
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:36,160
Okay, we'll just do town homes, or we're going to make an educated decision, but making the decision tonight now, may

1726
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:36,720
cost us.

1727
02:37:37,020 --> 02:37:37,940
I don't know.

1728
02:37:38,040 --> 02:37:38,580
Vice Mayor.

1729
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:40,800
We know.

1730
02:37:41,140 --> 02:37:44,920
That's why we want to restrict it to town homes, because if we list it as apartments,

1731
02:37:45,160 --> 02:37:47,240
too, we won't get that option for ownership.

1732
02:37:47,780 --> 02:37:51,900
Because we've been going out to the general plan that we voted on earlier tonight, and having

1733
02:37:51,900 --> 02:37:57,180
all of these, you know, comments and all of these surveys from the citizens.

1734
02:37:57,180 --> 02:38:02,720
and the thing that came back that the citizens want to see more of in Oral Valley was ownership

1735
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:09,060
properties in the missing middle. They did not want to see necessarily majority, did not

1736
02:38:09,060 --> 02:38:13,700
necessarily want to see apartments that were similar to the San Dorado more being built.

1737
02:38:14,620 --> 02:38:23,320
They wanted to kind of get like a less expensive ownership option and in that middle.

1738
02:38:23,320 --> 02:38:28,900
So we know that it's harder to achieve we get that but it's not just about money

1739
02:38:28,900 --> 02:38:33,060
That's why it was quoted in the beginning these this is the citizens land

1740
02:38:33,060 --> 02:38:39,720
So the goal is to try and achieve the housing in my view that the citizens would support

1741
02:38:40,840 --> 02:38:43,080
Council member Nicholson my opinion

1742
02:38:44,340 --> 02:38:48,160
If we sell it as town homes, which my opinion would be cheaper

1743
02:38:48,740 --> 02:38:52,240
There's nothing restricting them from coming back to get it rezoned apartments

1744
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:55,360
were, are we did deed restricting it to town homes?

1745
02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:58,560
Because if we want just town homes, then we sure

1746
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:01,060
as such, did deed restricting it to town homes.

1747
02:39:02,400 --> 02:39:06,380
Mr. Spade, could you or buyer?

1748
02:39:13,440 --> 02:39:20,310
So, well, when I was out on site and talking with you

1749
02:39:20,780 --> 02:39:25,020
and Mr. Spade, to be, to be transparent,

1750
02:39:25,020 --> 02:39:29,300
is primarily with Mr. Spade because you were with another council person.

1751
02:39:29,700 --> 02:39:30,180
No, Fence.

1752
02:39:32,140 --> 02:39:37,020
My understanding was that staff had reached out to a couple of different developers

1753
02:39:37,020 --> 02:39:42,580
and that there was a high interest in town homes.

1754
02:39:43,260 --> 02:39:50,000
Yes. Two national builders and one local builder were all interested in town homes

1755
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:50,980
in this location.

1756
02:39:50,980 --> 02:39:56,660
And we have a local builder I believe, or maybe as a national, who built town homes in Oral Valley,

1757
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:01,140
and could have sold them all day long.

1758
02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:02,360
I mean, they correct.

1759
02:40:03,020 --> 02:40:05,360
There's some under construction right now.

1760
02:40:06,280 --> 02:40:06,980
As well.

1761
02:40:08,060 --> 02:40:08,940
Yes, remember Nicholson?

1762
02:40:09,340 --> 02:40:13,020
I would say if that's a desire that you should probably put a deed restriction there to keep a town homes.

1763
02:40:13,380 --> 02:40:18,000
If you want citizens to be able to buy a town homes, that's the way to do it in my opinion.

1764
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:19,540
Sorry, didn't hear?

1765
02:40:19,540 --> 02:40:21,920
Do you use restrictions to land the town owns?

1766
02:40:22,780 --> 02:40:26,000
So if I may, um, so

1767
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:29,340
do you restrictions are a little tough for government?

1768
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:33,380
Um, we can't legally enforce de-grist restrictions.

1769
02:40:33,640 --> 02:40:36,600
This is a strange twist because we own the property.

1770
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:40,440
Uh, I would recommend that, um,

1771
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:43,040
not doing that as part of the zoning action.

1772
02:40:43,880 --> 02:40:48,480
The zoning action, you can make it clear that apartments are not a permitted use.

1773
02:40:48,480 --> 02:40:49,800
if that's if you wish to do it.

1774
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:52,100
So that would shouldn't be in there if you don't want

1775
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:53,200
apartments to be there.

1776
02:40:53,480 --> 02:40:54,520
That's what I wish to do.

1777
02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:55,660
So correct.

1778
02:40:56,100 --> 02:40:59,880
As a future option as part of phase two discussion,

1779
02:41:00,260 --> 02:41:03,300
if you want to go further to deed restrict as part of the sale,

1780
02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:05,140
you can have that conversation.

1781
02:41:06,220 --> 02:41:06,760
So yes.

1782
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:07,680
Councilmember Netton.

1783
02:41:07,720 --> 02:41:10,200
My worries, we're going to sell them for town homes on the cheap,

1784
02:41:10,380 --> 02:41:12,080
and they're just going to rezone to apartments.

1785
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:13,660
Councilmember Murphy.

1786
02:41:15,140 --> 02:41:15,560
Thank you.

1787
02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:20,820
The fact that we have three viable options for town homes makes me a lot more comfortable,

1788
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:24,200
so I'm going to be voting in favor of this.

1789
02:41:26,290 --> 02:41:26,750
Vice Mayor.

1790
02:41:27,490 --> 02:41:34,310
I just want to mention something about the heights, so in the area three, part of the

1791
02:41:34,310 --> 02:41:42,430
bowl does go up in the back and elevation, like 17 to 24 feet, where the back of apartment

1792
02:41:42,430 --> 02:41:51,090
complexes or town homes are. And so, with the current heights being proposed for apartments

1793
02:41:51,090 --> 02:41:57,030
at 49 feet, I am just not comfortable with that because so if we were going to go forward

1794
02:41:57,030 --> 02:42:01,430
with that, you know, I was going to talk about what we could do to address that. But if we go

1795
02:42:01,430 --> 02:42:07,550
to town homes, then it just resolves that concern because then we're limiting it to two stories

1796
02:42:07,550 --> 02:42:13,810
and then it doesn't have that same elevated view impact that the, you know, the 49 feet

1797
02:42:13,810 --> 02:42:18,870
did in that area. So that's another consideration, because I think that in addition to the

1798
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:24,910
type of housing being more accepted by the community, I think the height is lower. And I think

1799
02:42:24,910 --> 02:42:32,550
when we go forward with this property, we cannot sell it to someone who wants to sit on it. And this

1800
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:37,350
conversation that I have at the town manager, you know, we cannot sell the

1801
02:42:37,350 --> 02:42:41,890
property to someone who is then going to just sit. The point is to sell the

1802
02:42:41,890 --> 02:42:46,810
property so that it could be developed so people could purchase the homes so

1803
02:42:46,810 --> 02:42:51,270
that a commercial can come in so the, you know, the utilities will be able to

1804
02:42:51,270 --> 02:42:55,850
be covered to be able to bring the commercial in. So this is not a sale where we're

1805
02:42:55,850 --> 02:42:59,670
going to sell it on the cheap and someone's just going to sit on it. There has to be

1806
02:42:59,670 --> 02:43:03,470
some type of condition in the future sale issues

1807
02:43:03,470 --> 02:43:06,070
that it has to be built within a certain number of years

1808
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:07,430
or that it has to be moved forward.

1809
02:43:07,610 --> 02:43:12,170
We cannot just have it, I'm not saying we can do that tonight.

1810
02:43:12,610 --> 02:43:17,250
But I'm saying this is the first step of this multi-step process.

1811
02:43:17,890 --> 02:43:20,990
So as I would see it moving through this multi-step process,

1812
02:43:21,470 --> 02:43:23,890
there are a few things that still need to be addressed

1813
02:43:23,890 --> 02:43:25,050
that are really important.

1814
02:43:25,650 --> 02:43:28,450
One is we need to be able to share the access

1815
02:43:28,450 --> 02:43:31,490
and the utilities with the other owner of the property.

1816
02:43:31,930 --> 02:43:33,590
Either someone buys all of it together,

1817
02:43:34,250 --> 02:43:37,710
or it has to be pro-rated, those utilities and things.

1818
02:43:38,030 --> 02:43:40,350
We're not covering the whole cost of the utilities

1819
02:43:40,350 --> 02:43:43,950
and jacking up the value of someone else's land millions of dollars,

1820
02:43:44,410 --> 02:43:46,190
because we've covered the whole cost of utilities.

1821
02:43:46,310 --> 02:43:49,770
That has to be shared the way that it customarily is.

1822
02:43:50,110 --> 02:43:53,490
And then, we have to look at the timing of the projects,

1823
02:43:53,830 --> 02:43:55,150
and that has to be part of the sale.

1824
02:43:55,150 --> 02:44:02,410
If there's any deeter restrictions, that has to be part of the sale, but I don't think those things can be dressed tonight.

1825
02:44:02,710 --> 02:44:09,690
And similarly, may or mention the, you know, the police station utilizing some of the money for the police station.

1826
02:44:09,850 --> 02:44:20,630
The history of this project goes back quite a while where, you know, at one point there were plans to put municipal complex or a police station on this property.

1827
02:44:22,170 --> 02:44:28,370
Those probably would have required many millions of dollars on a property tax and all of those things, right?

1828
02:44:28,850 --> 02:44:37,070
And so, part of the concept was by this less expensive property that we can rehab into a police station,

1829
02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:40,650
but this property can still be part of the answer for doing that.

1830
02:44:40,670 --> 02:44:43,950
By selling this property, it can still be part of it.

1831
02:44:44,250 --> 02:44:47,230
We may not be able to restrict that tonight, you know,

1832
02:44:47,230 --> 02:44:51,510
But moving forward, those are all things to be looking at and addressing.

1833
02:44:52,290 --> 02:44:56,190
Utilities, easements, timing, earmarking of the funding,

1834
02:44:56,410 --> 02:44:59,830
Deet restrictions, all those have to be done in future.

1835
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:17,260
Councilmember Nicholson? I don't think they'll sit on a long time, because the rezoning will be worth a lot of money, so it'll be very expensive just to hold, so when it does get sold, someone probably will slightly would build a couple years ago.

1836
02:45:17,940 --> 02:45:20,380
Well, authorities own, so there's no rezoning.

1837
02:45:21,340 --> 02:45:24,160
Okay. Councilmember Robb?

1838
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:30,160
Is the intent, if they go with a standard commercial to leave it at 49 feet?

1839
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:35,540
Oh.

1840
02:45:35,540 --> 02:45:38,580
You only mentioned that the height is going to be reduced if they went with a linear.

1841
02:45:39,160 --> 02:45:40,360
So that's what I was questioning.

1842
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:51,280
Mayor, Council Member Rob, so actually after we heard some feedback during our site visits, we did.

1843
02:45:51,420 --> 02:45:52,120
Oh, sorry.

1844
02:45:52,260 --> 02:45:53,640
Can I have my backup slides?

1845
02:45:54,240 --> 02:45:54,280
Please.

1846
02:45:56,660 --> 02:46:00,440
We did put together some conditions that we thought might be of use.

1847
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:02,180
So yep, thank you.

1848
02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:12,260
So as you said, Vice Mayor, the second condition here may be moot if it's going to be limited to town homes.

1849
02:46:12,340 --> 02:46:20,580
But the first one was to just limit commercial in either concept in area 2b to 30 feet.

1850
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:24,240
So that obviously addresses what the mayor was trying to do with linear commercial.

1851
02:46:24,680 --> 02:46:28,940
I don't know if that was your intent per se, but something to consider.

1852
02:46:29,400 --> 02:46:32,740
And then obviously the third one might be moot if it's town homes as well.

1853
02:46:32,740 --> 02:46:33,160
So

1854
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:39,940
I'm happy to amend the motion, I forget now who's second.

1855
02:46:40,040 --> 02:46:45,080
I think you did Councilmember Green to building heights in area 2B should be limited

1856
02:46:45,080 --> 02:46:52,860
to 30 feet, inclusive of architectural features, is that you would not second it?

1857
02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:54,660
I will.

1858
02:46:54,780 --> 02:46:55,560
Vice Mayor.

1859
02:46:56,920 --> 02:46:57,540
Great comment.

1860
02:46:57,900 --> 02:47:03,340
When maybe we should limit the townhomes to 30 feet because otherwise they could be

1861
02:47:04,640 --> 02:47:10,300
39, right? Because they could be too story with 10 feet for architectural features.

1862
02:47:10,760 --> 02:47:16,400
So like if Mayor's limiting, if the things is limited to two stories, should we actually

1863
02:47:16,400 --> 02:47:21,340
put the feet in there if the intention is that they'd be 30 feet more consistent with

1864
02:47:21,340 --> 02:47:25,240
San Dorado, or what would two stories be limited to, the way it's written?

1865
02:47:28,400 --> 02:47:33,040
Mayor Vice Mayor, the way it's written in this condition or the way, now the way I

1866
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:39,380
So the way I stated it was further condition that the area 3B restricted to 1 or 2 story

1867
02:47:39,380 --> 02:47:40,420
town homes.

1868
02:47:42,860 --> 02:47:51,680
So, I mean, two story would be effectively 30 feet and one story would be, yeah, 24 typically,

1869
02:47:51,960 --> 02:47:53,240
is kind of what you see.

1870
02:47:53,840 --> 02:47:57,700
Okay, but is that that's not an inclusive of architecture, right?

1871
02:47:58,860 --> 02:47:59,460
No.

1872
02:48:00,500 --> 02:48:03,020
You think maybe we could limit that to 30 feet?

1873
02:48:04,820 --> 02:48:09,200
Yeah, inclusive, would that be a friendly amendment?

1874
02:48:10,320 --> 02:48:11,360
Yeah, it's two stories.

1875
02:48:11,660 --> 02:48:14,280
It's just staying without the ten foot.

1876
02:48:14,280 --> 02:48:17,420
So they're going in at the marketplace.

1877
02:48:18,480 --> 02:48:20,360
Their 30 feet are correct.

1878
02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:21,480
I don't want to be mistaken.

1879
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:23,800
The two stories are 30 feet.

1880
02:48:24,040 --> 02:48:27,100
The Ross Rolney, those were limited to 30 feet.

1881
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:28,080
They were two stories.

1882
02:48:28,400 --> 02:48:29,140
Right, 28.

1883
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:30,100
I think actually.

1884
02:48:30,840 --> 02:48:32,540
So I think 30 would be fine.

1885
02:48:32,540 --> 02:48:34,880
Okay, I just want to make sure that it's viable.

1886
02:48:37,020 --> 02:48:38,960
Okay, so that's my first friendly amendment.

1887
02:48:39,440 --> 02:48:40,520
Is that okay?

1888
02:48:41,420 --> 02:48:46,060
And if I may, Mayor, just want to make sure that I know your motion included,

1889
02:48:46,960 --> 02:48:53,220
removing the illustration for apartments, but also to provide text that apartments are not permitted.

1890
02:48:54,100 --> 02:48:56,040
I think that's important as well.

1891
02:48:56,180 --> 02:48:56,360
Okay.

1892
02:48:56,560 --> 02:48:58,040
I didn't include that.

1893
02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:09,160
And then the reason that I was thinking the standard commercial was okay higher is because

1894
02:49:09,160 --> 02:49:12,040
it's just so far back and it's tucked in.

1895
02:49:12,560 --> 02:49:16,800
But I don't know if other people fill that way but I kind of felt like if we had the opportunity

1896
02:49:16,800 --> 02:49:24,420
to get a good commercial property and it's just compared to the strip mall concept is closer

1897
02:49:24,420 --> 02:49:24,760
up.

1898
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:29,880
It is further back than this paneer bread area.

1899
02:49:31,220 --> 02:49:34,520
But then the second that standard one is so far back.

1900
02:49:35,100 --> 02:49:39,280
I kind of felt like I was okay with a little more height

1901
02:49:39,280 --> 02:49:40,660
there, but that was me personally.

1902
02:49:41,080 --> 02:49:43,580
I don't want a big building, but it's just so far back.

1903
02:49:43,880 --> 02:49:45,580
Well, there's no way it would block the mountain

1904
02:49:45,580 --> 02:49:46,460
and it is from Oracle.

1905
02:49:46,840 --> 02:49:52,320
I think what I'm hearing, there's consensus for the 30 feet

1906
02:49:52,320 --> 02:49:56,220
at what I read for the linear commercial,

1907
02:49:57,200 --> 02:50:01,420
but for the other option as it's been proposed.

1908
02:50:02,420 --> 02:50:04,800
And so I'm not, I'm acknowledging

1909
02:50:04,800 --> 02:50:07,320
can some of a rob that you may have a different.

1910
02:50:11,880 --> 02:50:15,840
OK, so you had a friendly amendment to add?

1911
02:50:15,940 --> 02:50:19,120
So can I make a, maybe it would be cleaner

1912
02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:21,540
if I made a substitute motion, would that be OK?

1913
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:22,280
That's fine.

1914
02:50:22,680 --> 02:50:24,660
OK, can I see that?

1915
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:47,260
All right, I move to approve ordinance number O26-07, the proposed planned area development amendment included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the your voice our future general plan and all applicable zoning code requirements subject to the further condition that area three.

1916
02:50:47,260 --> 02:50:55,400
be restricted to one or two story town homes not to exceed 30 feet inclusive height to sell for

1917
02:50:55,400 --> 02:51:01,720
ownership and that there be texts that states that apartments are not allowed in that area.

1918
02:51:02,120 --> 02:51:07,160
If area two be becomes linear commercial the height should be limited to 30 feet inclusive

1919
02:51:07,160 --> 02:51:10,700
of architectural features consistent with existing retail.

1920
02:51:29,350 --> 02:51:32,150
All right.

1921
02:51:45,050 --> 02:51:45,190
Second.

1922
02:51:45,190 --> 02:51:46,450
All right, thank you.

1923
02:51:48,890 --> 02:51:50,010
Vote on the substitute.

1924
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:59,030
Councilmember Nicholson.

1925
02:51:59,490 --> 02:52:02,050
I was wondering if I complicated by a friendly

1926
02:52:02,050 --> 02:52:04,830
amendment to make sure we've list it for

1927
02:52:04,830 --> 02:52:06,530
cell versus an auction.

1928
02:52:07,190 --> 02:52:07,190
And

1929
02:52:09,400 --> 02:52:11,700
that's what can't be done.

1930
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:16,040
It's required to go out to bid because of the value.

1931
02:52:16,520 --> 02:52:20,100
So it will be going out to bid and then we can talk about

1932
02:52:20,100 --> 02:52:22,280
the restrictions to be put in the bid packet.

1933
02:52:22,800 --> 02:52:23,920
Not in the public body.

1934
02:52:25,330 --> 02:52:29,970
The classical clarifying motion was the condition to limit linear.

1935
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:35,020
Senator commercial concept to 30 feet inclusive of architectural features or not, I'd mention.

1936
02:52:35,400 --> 02:52:36,500
Yes, I'm positive of our context.

1937
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:40,580
And that's similar to the existing development.

1938
02:52:40,580 --> 02:52:41,040
Yes.

1939
02:52:41,380 --> 02:52:44,820
You said those were 24 feet and the CVS was 30.

1940
02:52:45,460 --> 02:52:48,040
So, I just wanted to make sure I caught it correctly.

1941
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:53,520
So, Mr. Drake, this vote is for the substitute motion, correct?

1942
02:52:55,000 --> 02:52:55,580
Correct.

1943
02:52:56,220 --> 02:52:57,500
All right. All right. All right. All right.

1944
02:52:57,500 --> 02:53:08,840
I, any opposed name, they, okay, the eyes have it for the two, then this vote is for

1945
02:53:09,720 --> 02:53:13,240
the same motion. Is it Mr. Zureka?

1946
02:53:14,600 --> 02:53:17,540
Yeah, because the substitute motion becomes the main motion.

1947
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:23,580
The substitute motion was voted to be the main motion, correct? Okay, so now you can vote

1948
02:53:23,580 --> 02:53:26,920
on that. I just want to make sure the clerks are clear on the language of the motion.

1949
02:53:26,920 --> 02:53:27,800
Okay.

1950
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:36,160
So all in favors. Okay. I can remember pardon me point of order. I would like to have

1951
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:41,200
you repeat what we're voting on if you don't mind. And I think that's a good idea and that's

1952
02:53:41,200 --> 02:53:46,780
why I was just consult with the clerk. So give him a moment. I just want to make sure he's clear

1953
02:53:46,780 --> 02:53:47,660
on the language.

1954
02:53:52,650 --> 02:53:54,130
Why don't you read it by smayer?

1955
02:53:56,360 --> 02:53:58,720
I mean, I kind of said it as part of it as I went.

1956
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:00,580
I'll try to repeat it.

1957
02:54:00,740 --> 02:54:01,160
That's fine.

1958
02:54:01,520 --> 02:54:04,840
He's looking for lunch, you go ahead and repeat it.

1959
02:54:05,020 --> 02:54:11,780
I moved to approve ordinance number 026-07, the proposed planned area development amendment

1960
02:54:11,780 --> 02:54:16,380
included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the

1961
02:54:16,380 --> 02:54:20,860
your voice, our future general plan, and all applicable zoning code requirements.

1962
02:54:21,380 --> 02:54:27,160
Subject to the further condition that area three be restricted to one or two story town homes

1963
02:54:27,160 --> 02:54:31,500
not to exceed 30 feet inclusive of architecture to sell for ownership.

1964
02:54:32,300 --> 02:54:35,520
There shall be texts that states that apartments are not allowed in Area 3.

1965
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:44,800
If Area 2 becomes linear, commercial, the height shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of architectural features consistent with existing retail.

1966
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:50,580
It's close. I think, well, if I'll do respect.

1967
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:59,080
If you could separate out the, it's kind of a run on sense. If you could separate out the residential to the commercial that would probably be helpful.

1968
02:55:01,420 --> 02:55:05,680
Okay, I think it's two paragraphs, but I just kind of set it all together.

1969
02:55:11,820 --> 02:55:12,380
They're good.

1970
02:55:12,540 --> 02:55:13,340
You want me to?

1971
02:55:14,820 --> 02:55:18,940
By indicating area 2B, that's commercial.

1972
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:23,040
Area 3, that indicates residential.

1973
02:55:24,180 --> 02:55:28,220
And you have the specific height restrictions and.

1974
02:55:28,220 --> 02:55:28,440
Yes.

1975
02:55:32,260 --> 02:55:34,680
Okay, well we just want to make sure the customer

1976
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:36,200
never knuckles in looks like you've got

1977
02:55:36,200 --> 02:55:37,100
a heartburn there.

1978
02:55:37,520 --> 02:55:38,240
I do have heartburn.

1979
02:55:38,300 --> 02:55:40,160
My opinion is it's probably going to get

1980
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:41,920
rezoning the future at some point in time

1981
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:43,100
someone's going to buy it for the cheaper

1982
02:55:43,100 --> 02:55:44,040
time homes.

1983
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:46,880
If it's 250 units, if you value my 300,000

1984
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:49,260
piece, that'd be $75 million just for that

1985
02:55:49,260 --> 02:55:52,100
apartment portion to be about a $75 million

1986
02:55:52,100 --> 02:55:53,320
valuation in the land.

1987
02:55:53,900 --> 02:55:57,320
My real big concern is we're going to do it.

1988
02:55:57,320 --> 02:55:59,440
Someone's going to fit on it in an auction

1989
02:55:59,440 --> 02:56:04,040
government auction that's not really well advertised for cheap and they're going to go in and they're

1990
02:56:04,040 --> 02:56:08,940
going to rezone it for apartments on the road and not all we could do about it and taxpayers

1991
02:56:08,940 --> 02:56:11,760
are going to lose out of no need of all. So that's why I'm not for it.

1992
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:16,050
Okay, thank you.

1993
02:56:17,330 --> 02:56:22,610
Can't remember Nicholson, Vice Mayor. Well, I mean, there is something the town could do about it.

1994
02:56:24,930 --> 02:56:30,610
Not rezone it. Not this evening. Not tonight, but I mean, I mean, moving forward if that's something

1995
02:56:30,610 --> 02:56:35,650
this citizens carry out. You've raised some important concerns that will do our best to, yeah,

1996
02:56:37,620 --> 02:56:38,960
as we know it's not a perfect world.

1997
02:56:54,420 --> 02:56:58,280
Could, could I have the clerk read it back instead of? Okay, Mr. Stanley.

1998
02:56:58,460 --> 02:56:59,600
Can you see it?

1999
02:57:12,260 --> 02:57:16,660
Okay, the motion on the floor is by Vice Mayor Barrett to move to approve

2000
02:57:16,660 --> 02:57:23,860
ordinance number 026-070. The proposed plant area development amendment included as a

2001
02:57:23,860 --> 02:57:29,980
attachment to a attachment based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the

2002
02:57:29,980 --> 02:57:35,000
your voice or future general plan and all the applicable zone encoder requirements subject

2003
02:57:35,000 --> 02:57:41,720
to the further condition that area 3 be restricted to one or two story town homes not to exceed

2004
02:57:41,720 --> 02:57:44,960
30 feet inclusive of architecture

2005
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:54,060
to sell for ownership. There shall be text that state that

2006
02:57:54,060 --> 02:57:59,820
apartments are not allowed in area three. If area two becomes linear commercial, the height

2007
02:57:59,820 --> 02:58:06,060
shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of the architectural features consistent with existing

2008
02:58:06,060 --> 02:58:11,200
in the existing region, existing retail.

2009
02:58:11,560 --> 02:58:17,000
Existing retail excuse me, and that's the complete motion.

2010
02:58:18,080 --> 02:58:18,680
Okay,

2011
02:58:20,760 --> 02:58:22,020
all in favour, say aye.

2012
02:58:22,380 --> 02:58:22,660
Aye.

2013
02:58:23,320 --> 02:58:24,620
Any opposed, nay?

2014
02:58:26,040 --> 02:58:28,260
The eyes have it, five to one.

2015
02:58:29,260 --> 02:58:30,000
Thank you, Mr. Space.

2016
02:58:30,500 --> 02:58:31,500
Thank you, Mr. Bellar.

2017
02:58:34,090 --> 02:58:36,130
Item three, Mr. Standish.

2018
02:58:42,140 --> 02:58:49,840
Discussion of possible action to use the $150,000, not yet spent from this year's of a still-so-trails nature preserve

2019
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:56,660
$200,000 a lot meant for irrigation and direction regarding ADA paths in the pond area

2020
02:58:58,160 --> 02:59:02,280
This item was requested by Councilmember Rob and Councilmember Murphy

2021
02:59:02,880 --> 02:59:04,700
Councilmember Rob you have the floor.

2022
02:59:06,890 --> 02:59:09,870
Thank you. I'm gonna start by putting the motion out there and then we can discuss it

2023
02:59:09,870 --> 02:59:17,790
I move that the unspent approximately 150,000 from the Vistosa trails $200,000 for this year,

2024
02:59:18,410 --> 02:59:21,910
plus $50,000 from next year's 200,000,

2025
02:59:22,310 --> 02:59:28,350
be used for the plant and turf irrigation in the pond area,

2026
02:59:28,350 --> 02:59:45,390
And utilize the 136,210 dollar Arizona State Parks grant for 88 trails in the pond area to be done in conjunction with the pond restoration.

2027
02:59:45,390 --> 02:59:51,810
But before this was seconded, so I can't remember Rob, I, and because of partly the

2028
02:59:51,810 --> 02:59:58,690
I'll have to discussion the previous item, I neglected to, I've got three blue cards for this item.

2029
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,860
And so I'm going to invite these folks up. I'm going to ask you to repeat that in a moment.

2030
03:00:06,760 --> 03:00:12,900
So we have, when I stay here name, if you come up to the podium, stay here name, whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley, gal material.

2031
03:00:21,960 --> 03:00:35,440
Thank you. My name is gal material. I have been an Oral Valley resident for 10 years, and I am President of Preserve Estosa, so good evening, Mayor Windfield, by Mayor Barrett and council members and staff. I'll be brief tonight.

2032
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:40,340
Tonight, I'm here to advocate for the installation of the entire irrigation system for the

2033
03:00:40,340 --> 03:00:45,840
preserve pond area now, rather than breaking it out into several projects for a couple of

2034
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:46,080
reasons.

2035
03:00:47,340 --> 03:00:51,220
First, getting it all done at once would be a smart approach because it means tearing up the

2036
03:00:51,220 --> 03:00:56,440
ground, moving equipment only once, and would manage costs most likely more efficiently because

2037
03:00:56,440 --> 03:00:58,780
the longer we weigh the more expensive it's going to get.

2038
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:04,200
Second, our members and our community are so excited to see this pond project moving forward,

2039
03:01:04,200 --> 03:01:09,260
and through many conversations we've had amongst ourselves and with our members in our community.

2040
03:01:09,860 --> 03:01:15,560
We know that many of them are eager to help re-vegetate that area.

2041
03:01:16,200 --> 03:01:19,280
And we do believe if we can get that irrigation system done,

2042
03:01:20,100 --> 03:01:31,960
we could do a fundraiser and sort of adopt a cactus kind of thing and get people to contribute to buy plants and trees and benches and things that would help really make that area look good.

2043
03:01:31,960 --> 03:01:37,120
And if we can get this moving, we do believe that we could start that campaign this coming fall.

2044
03:01:37,940 --> 03:01:40,000
So, we'd like to see this move forward.

2045
03:01:40,080 --> 03:01:43,840
We'd like to start to see some changes there, and we appreciate your support.

2046
03:01:44,180 --> 03:01:44,680
Thank you.

2047
03:01:44,860 --> 03:01:45,480
Rosa Daily.

2048
03:01:55,320 --> 03:01:58,060
I'm Rosa Daily, or a belly resident still.

2049
03:01:58,820 --> 03:01:59,380
Good evening, everybody.

2050
03:02:00,500 --> 03:02:01,880
I want to echo what Gale said.

2051
03:02:02,060 --> 03:02:08,020
I think that it would be smart to do the foundational irrigation.

2052
03:02:08,020 --> 03:02:15,400
now while we're doing the pond. For several reasons not the least of which it's part of the

2053
03:02:15,400 --> 03:02:21,120
engineering of the pond. I don't want to get into that any further. I think we all know why

2054
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:29,460
that's important. But also once that's done, as Gail said, I'll donate the first five trees. I mean,

2055
03:02:29,640 --> 03:02:35,480
I would like to be able to get the community involved in finishing that area because we have a

2056
03:02:35,480 --> 03:02:42,800
Memorial area off to one side if we finish that area then we can come in at another time and do

2057
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:49,700
the trails because that's separate and it doesn't involve plumbing and water and turnover of water.

2058
03:02:50,340 --> 03:02:56,540
So I think it would be really smart to do this strategically and to move funds in a way that we could

2059
03:02:56,540 --> 03:03:03,080
do the irrigation system now while we're putting in the pond so that as Gail said then we can start

2060
03:03:03,080 --> 03:03:06,240
working on getting the remaining items donated

2061
03:03:06,240 --> 03:03:10,100
if we can get a list and an itemized in, you know,

2062
03:03:10,260 --> 03:03:14,660
in-ground price for each item, then I'm pretty sure

2063
03:03:14,660 --> 03:03:16,580
we can get a lot of community involvement.

2064
03:03:17,040 --> 03:03:19,620
So that's my comments on this.

2065
03:03:19,860 --> 03:03:20,620
Thank you.

2066
03:03:21,300 --> 03:03:22,420
Thank you.

2067
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:24,860
Again, my apologies, Council Member Rob,

2068
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:26,900
for my oversight with those blue cards.

2069
03:03:26,900 --> 03:03:29,080
If you could restate your motion, please.

2070
03:03:29,760 --> 03:03:30,180
Absolutely.

2071
03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:30,820
No problem.

2072
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:37,780
I'm moved that the unspent approximately $150,000 from the StoCetrails Nature Preserve

2073
03:03:37,780 --> 03:03:43,480
$200,000 for this year, plus $50,000 from next year's $200,000.

2074
03:03:43,800 --> 03:03:53,460
Be used for the plant and turf irrigation systems in the pond area, and to utilize the $136,2010

2075
03:03:53,460 --> 03:04:01,780
Arizona State Park's grant for the ADA trails in the pond area, both to be done in conjunction with the pond restoration.

2076
03:04:03,020 --> 03:04:03,080
Second.

2077
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:07,000
Seconded by Councilmember Murphy discussion.

2078
03:04:08,480 --> 03:04:09,380
Councilmember Murphy.

2079
03:04:09,820 --> 03:04:16,160
Yeah, the reason that I seconded this was because, you know, this is in our first rodeo with the irrigation.

2080
03:04:16,360 --> 03:04:18,620
We know that the cost just keeps going up.

2081
03:04:18,620 --> 03:04:20,240
So let's just get it done.

2082
03:04:20,700 --> 03:04:24,060
And then also in addition, I don't think it's lasted anyone.

2083
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:25,460
And I really care about ADA.

2084
03:04:25,720 --> 03:04:28,300
And so I love the fact that that's incorporated in this.

2085
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:32,140
And we wanted to be a place where everybody can go and utilize it.

2086
03:04:32,560 --> 03:04:35,140
And also I did clarify just for everyone out there

2087
03:04:35,140 --> 03:04:38,140
that's listening that this is reclaimed water that's being used

2088
03:04:38,140 --> 03:04:39,000
for the irrigation.

2089
03:04:43,790 --> 03:04:44,970
Can't remember right.

2090
03:04:45,690 --> 03:04:49,090
I can talk about, I actually think our residents very clearly

2091
03:04:49,090 --> 03:04:51,610
stated most of the arguments that I wanted to make

2092
03:04:51,610 --> 03:04:58,970
doing it now and in conjunction with the current or the pond restoration is going to be cost effective

2093
03:04:58,970 --> 03:05:03,630
and much better plan I believe. Councilmember Neckleson.

2094
03:05:03,810 --> 03:05:05,090
That is really a grub. Thanks.

2095
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:07,840
Any more discussion?

2096
03:05:10,740 --> 03:05:11,240
Vice Mayor.

2097
03:05:11,640 --> 03:05:22,800
So a question. So when your motion says plant and turf irrigation does that include putting in the

2098
03:05:22,800 --> 03:05:26,940
100,000, 150 from this year and 50 from next year's to

2099
03:05:26,940 --> 03:05:33,480
it. I am not 100% certain but I believe that is the case.

2100
03:05:33,880 --> 03:05:38,340
Can I ask Ms. Eftene? Would we be able to just get the

2101
03:05:38,340 --> 03:05:42,360
irrigation or could we do the irrigation and the patch of turf?

2102
03:05:45,480 --> 03:05:48,480
May or vice mayor that is not enough to do the irrigation and the turf.

2103
03:05:48,800 --> 03:05:52,000
Not according to the estimates we received from the

2104
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:54,140
consultant earlier this year.

2105
03:05:54,140 --> 03:06:01,460
But it's enough to do the irrigation so we could get it ready to go for those.

2106
03:06:01,900 --> 03:06:08,080
Yes, according to our estimates that we received earlier this year on known weather prices will fluctuate.

2107
03:06:10,660 --> 03:06:11,020
Thanks.

2108
03:06:11,540 --> 03:06:11,860
You're welcome.

2109
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:18,920
Do we know the timeline yet for the installation for the on this will begin construction?

2110
03:06:19,420 --> 03:06:20,100
Or is that still?

2111
03:06:20,100 --> 03:06:27,980
We had a we had a pre-con meeting a pre-construction meeting and they're working right now on the schedule for us, so we should get that soon

2112
03:06:27,980 --> 03:06:30,600
Thank you

2113
03:06:30,600 --> 03:06:31,900
Any more discussion?

2114
03:06:34,020 --> 03:06:35,920
All in favor say I I

2115
03:06:35,920 --> 03:06:39,060
On the opposed nay the eyes have it six zero

2116
03:06:39,980 --> 03:06:49,390
Future agenda items hearing none. I moved to adjourn second. I'll all in favor say I I

2117
03:06:49,390 --> 03:06:52,150
Good night everyone, 9.25.