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All right, welcome to the Monday, December 11, 2023, ordinal city council meeting.

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Note all council members are here in present.

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We're always through the pledge of allegiance at the meeting, so I invite you to stand up and join us.

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Budget allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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One nation under the House of Representatives.

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All right, thanks for that.

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Next on the agenda is the approval of the agenda, and one vote we will accept the agenda and pass the consent agenda.

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And I'll go over the consent agenda before we vote on it to see if there's anything.

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If anyone wants to talk a little bit more about it.

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With that said, would somebody like to take a stab at the consent agenda tonight?

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Thank you for the water.

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Yes, thank you.

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I'll take care of it this evening and make a motion to accept items one through eighteen as listed in the consent agenda.

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Okay, with that, so we got one through 18 in the consent agenda tonight.

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One is the City Council meeting minutes of November 27.

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Two is the City Council work session minutes of November 27th.

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Three is City Council closed session minutes of December 4th.

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Four is claims and bills.

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I have as approved next work session draft agenda.

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Six is approval of rental licenses.

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Seven is retirement of police canines,

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We're sorry to see zirxes go, where's the chief he's not here?

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And you know, thanks to North Sharmarina, who funded all those years?

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Yeah, funded it for that year.

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A number eight is a point election judges and established absentee ballot board resolution 7434.

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Niners authorization to accept resignation of Barry Sullivan.

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Ten is approval to hire custodian.

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11 is a appointment of a finance director, Maggie Lynn, is that right?

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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Jim.

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that interviewed her with Adam and Christine.

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And she's a fabulous choice.

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She's been here before, you know, Ron speaks very highly of her,

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so he says we're actually very lucky to have her,

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so we feel very lucky to have her.

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So we appreciate all the work of keeping in touch with her as well.

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So number 13 is the men's city code,

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government operations ordinance 286.

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14 is a men's city code, fire prevention and fire safety standards

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ordinance 287. 15 is LA-23-60 by

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Embencine. 3600 Cascol Avenue of

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Variance Resolution 7432. 16 is

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Personal Policy Updates. 17 is

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Employee Payscale Adjustments Resolution

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7443. 18 is LA-23-61 Amy

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with outdoor escapes, and behalf of Jeremy and Stephanie Tom,

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2601 Cascol Point Road Variance Resolution 743.

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That's it.

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So any of those items, anybody like to have taken off the agenda today?

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I want to talk more about them.

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You've seen none.

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I've got a motion to have a second.

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Again, Mr. Johnson, all in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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You know what that pass is?

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Five zero.

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That will bring us to our Community Development Report,

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which will hit number 19, which is LA-23-45,

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L.A.L.A. L.A. L.A. L.A. Anderson, vacation of a redway between

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1250 and 1260 spruce mobs.

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How many?

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Thank you. The applicants are requesting to vacate the

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unimproved right-of-ways situated between 1250 and 1260 spruce

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pace owned by the applicants. This unimproved right-of-way

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terminates at the lake. The right-of-way contains

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for facilitating overland drainage from spruce place, retaining walls, and approximately

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900 square feet of the easily-strived way, which accesses their sidewalk grudge.

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You know, remember the Planning Commission held a public hearing following the public hearing

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the Commission voted five to zero on a motion of favor of vacation with the condition that the

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city maintain a drainage easement. There was quite a bit of discussion at that meeting, both by the

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Planning Commission in the public. The applicant stated they are amenable to the city

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maintaining a drainage easement over that area.

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Supportive comments from the neighbors

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were received at the meeting and in writing.

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Adam Edwards provided a comment on the request

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and opposition of the vacation.

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He indicated that the site served as a drainage wave for the area,

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and it is identified as a possible future public access

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to the lake, areas that provide a public purpose

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should not be vacated.

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Access to the lake for the public is provided by Sandy Beach

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to the south and the city's fishing dock off

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New to the north and both are within 500 feet of this location. The challenge with vacating rights of

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ways that vacation is a final action. Should the public or the city have access or utility

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needs in the future of the cost to re-acquire the property would be at a premium? Staff recommends

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denial of the vacation request at this time is there's currently a public benefit for drainage

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purposes. And a future in the future use of the land is yet in determined. Should the council

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find that the right away does not have a public purpose, and determines vacation is appropriate.

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staff does recommend that the city maintain a drain management over the area. Tonight, council

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should direct staff to draft a resolution reflecting your decision. I can answer questions if

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you have any, and that up can as well. Any questions for staff? I think we have the applicant here

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I'm assuming. The applicant here tonight? You are. Okay. Any questions for staff? The applicant

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I'd like to come up and talk about your item there.

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I know you were at planning commission, so.

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Yeah, I

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spoke then.

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This property has been in our family since 1972.

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We have maintained this property for more than 50 years,

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along with our neighbor Jim Easley here.

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And we have installed more than $20,000 worth of rip wrap

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on the shoreline.

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We have managed the drainage.

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I have installed a $15,000 drain system in my own basement

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because it drains directly into my basement.

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And I had a lot of times during the year.

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In 1979, my mother had a letter from the city.

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She came before the council, and they deemed it

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not appropriate for any type of city purpose,

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because it is a watershed.

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So at times when it rains, it will fill up three to six feet wide.

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There's really no way that the public's ever

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going to use it as an access.

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And just down the street about four houses,

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there's a lovely lake access that is maintained by the city.

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they do a moat, and they take care of it.

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There's also, as mentioned, to the left of us,

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within a 500 feet, there is the Lomelinda Lake Access,

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which has a public dock.

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And then there's also a public access at Sandy Beach.

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So there are actually three public lake accesses.

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They're very close to this property.

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And being able to split this with our neighbors,

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we would be able to make some much needed improvements

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to both of our properties.

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Easily, would be able to pave their driveway.

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it is the only unpaved gravel driveway on our street currently and they would have a safer

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better access to their garage. So these are kind of all the reasons why we would like to

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see this split between our two properties and again it's just something that we've been paying

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to mow and maintain for nearly 50 years so that is kind of all I have to say about it. Thank you.

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I have a question for you.

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So, had you at, had you notified the city that there was some issues with drainage there along the way?

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No, we've been maintaining it for so long and we had a much bigger city problem with the sewer at the end of the street that we really focused on that being fixed and my mother actually did get that.

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The city to put in a new, I can't remember what it's called, but some type of pump.

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We are the lowest point in the neighborhood.

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lift, a lift station made a lift station that she worked on for about 20 years and it finally

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was passed and it's fantastic but we used to have a lot of sewer back up in our basement so

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that was the one battle that we really chose to fight there and my mother is a service like

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naturalist and she'd done a lot of work too when when she bought the house it was a big

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muddy mess, it was full of old tires and bottles and rebar and it was that 40 feet of just mud

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and through the years she did a lot to maintain it, put some nice boulders in, plant all the grass

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that would then drain the water from the street

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into the lake without it being kind of a muddy mess.

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And something to note also, there is also a drainage

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that happens on 1230s per place.

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So three houses, there's another, what you would call,

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like, a public drainage site, but it's on private property.

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So there's actually a culvert that runs through their property

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to drain, so that's just something to note

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that I think, even though this would be on private property,

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that's never been an issue for the last.

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I think they've owned it 70 years that house so, and we're happy to have the city have an easement there to take care of any drainage problems that might arise.

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I know it's the one down the street is obviously a pretty large call for access.

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You've got a bunch of lake access.

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Obviously it's been uncontested that we know that this is kind of a water area that goes down.

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And so I know, and thank you for saying that you don't have any problem with what they're keeping an easement.

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No, not at all.

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And a lot of people make a big issue about that the DNR sends letter and they don't recommend

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doing it.

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But the DNR as is, we all know up here at least have been doing this for the DNR as per their

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policy always says no.

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Now, historically, just to give you a little perspective, too, before we read it, our

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comprehensive plan.

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That was our policy as well. We took a little more proactive approach to that because we have a lot of issues and things like this around the community that are old fire lanes, old roads and the window to the lake that don't exist anymore.

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And we changed that because we thought common sense should prevail and that we should at least look at these on a case by case basis to see if it makes sense to clean it up.

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and it not just get rid of it, but clean it up so it makes sense for the

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property owners, and if there are lake accesses, and it seems like from my

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perspective, this kind of fits all those requirements, you've got all the

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different lake accesses around you. It's not an issue. This is kind of an old fire

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remnant as well, and a watershed issue. And so I think I'd be definitely very

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supportive of doing it, but keeping the easement on there for the water drain

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for sure. I have a question. I don't know if it's for you or the other homeowner, though, the

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driveway issue is that in your, that's not your property, okay. You know, the home was built

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so long ago and then you can see their property line actually ends kind of right at the apron

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of their garage and it would be really impossible to access if they weren't able to kind of use that

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area there. So that would be, again, a big improvement to hold their home in the neighborhood.

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So I do have a question then for you if, thank you.

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So it sounds like part of the issue here is erosion or gravel that is moving around or moving

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toward the lake.

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And I'm wondering if this issue has ever been addressed historically through any variants

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or quest or any other sort of formal process with the city?

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And it is a nice thing.

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I think it must have been somebody's mom who found the letter from the city back in

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I think your mom was here at public comments, if I remember.

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Not public comments, but the planning commission.

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I don't see how people can get down through the water

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because they're trees that are planted into the space.

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It's just,

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especially when it's raining,

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flowing through there.

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And downwards, close to the lake shore,

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it can get 15 to 20 feet wide.

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water there. It's not contained in it.

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Thank you.

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That is the great-year gravel dryway that goes all the way across there now, right?

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Our lotline currently is about where the telephone pole is.

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Yeah, and it runs just to the left, to the Lakeshore.

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It's just...

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So you've been unable to pave that because it's on city property.

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But is there an easement for the driveway across there now there is not there's not well

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there would what you would need there isn't an improvement. Yeah, which was just as at also a point

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So even if this is turned into a training easement we will still need a corrosionment agreements

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For things like driveways still ways

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Retaining walls structures that's what sit inside of our training management and does this change the hard-covered calculations then as well

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So what do you mean or each property

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They'd be able to get large amounts of square footages.

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We'll be able to have more part of it.

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As a public right away, it's not excluded.

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If it is vacated by it in half, then the property will obviously get bigger.

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So part of the reason we have not pursued any kind of improvement of the gravel driveway

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is that we have a water problem with the garage.

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We have some very mature maple trees on the other side.

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And they represent the high point in the yard, and so the drainage goes into our production.

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It really isn't anything to about it.

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And so, in doing something that's going to have to get ripped out later on, we thought, you know, let's plan for this and see where we want to go.

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We have we ever done in this city, an encroachment agreement to allow a homeowner to pave part of a driveway in a public right-of-way lake access.

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Yes. Thank you.

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Any questions for the applicant?

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Okay, thanks.

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All right.

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Jay 9, I got our 1386 REST Point Road, Orno.

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I put in for a minor property line adjustment years ago.

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I completely understand why you guys are doing what you're doing.

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But here I am looking at someone who put a driveway in city property.

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You're about to give him the property and for some reason,

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My minor property line adjustment that nobody knew about you guys spent all kinds of time figuring out some minor

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Technicality to prevent me from doing it even though I own both properties. So I just want to point out for here because y'all know we're in litigation

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I was going to point out for here right now

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They are minor property line adjustment that made no effect on the city compared to what this is

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was completely denied and worked on for not denied,

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but you have something to say about this item in particular,

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not your agency's litigation.

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This item, in particular, is going,

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you are actually giving them city property to do it.

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Drive way, since we've moved

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there, a number of years before.

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When did you move there again?

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Yeah, and so I thought I had a couple things, I guess.

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So I heard the applicant mentioned that they,

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You know, from the 60s they had that the city had no use for it, but I read in my pack

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here that the city saw that it was a potential public use for access.

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When the park's commission did the last look at Lake Access points, it was just, it was

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one that it was identified as maybe we looked at again in the future.

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About two years ago, three years ago, we did a project where, you know, the Lake Access

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is that at the most promising immediate use for extra in access, down to the Lakeshore, this

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didn't make the cut for that, but it was one of the ones that the Republicans will get

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again in the future.

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Yeah, I mean, I see, I don't know, I'm not as comfortable about giving up this in

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the 50 years

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that my family has owned this property.

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No one has used this as a public access.

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So the one that is up the street from us that's three houses up is very heavily used for

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TV's for snowing fields for people going on the lake to fish.

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So when we just talk about it being in public access, the other two are maintained and

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safe and they're much easier to access and no one even the people across the street

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to us have ever used it.

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So there are much better accesses that we have within a very area.

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One public benefit that this lives is, we have the busiest fishing shoreline

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coming there

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every day, fishing because

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it's a good, it serves a pretty nice purpose,

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or the fish I can just

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OK. So, yeah, so I mean, if we've kind of identified this, even on the fringe of being a possible

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site to look back at, I'm more comfortable, you know, coming back with, you know, not sure why the

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of the property.

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To the north there meets the driveway needs to come all the way to the edge of this,

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but we definitely need to have an agreement in place for that.

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And if the city's land is causing problem for the property owners, that's why I asked if you contacted the city. I wanted to make sure that we were doing our part, but we need to make sure that we're maintaining them to the point,

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or when I'm causing problems to the neighboring properties.

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So I think they can, I see the need to clean up that corner, and we can do that through

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an easement.

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How I see it?

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Can we see the overhead view again?

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Go, can you go back to one?

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There.

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You see how they have their gravel?

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No, I've got a picture of it on Google Earth, too.

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Matt, you're suggesting to go with what the, um,

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the board said in their five to zero vote, and I'm sorry.

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I mean, you're saying to move forward with the maintaining the

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great drainage easement?

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No, I'm talking about not granting the vacation and if staff can work

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with the applicant to the north to find a reasonable easement agreement

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over the top of it.

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Okay, an accroachment agreement with the applicant to the north,

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I don't know what's reasonable.

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That seems excessive to me.

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Was there, you know, the mound driver that's there right now.

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But I, I'll leave that to staff to work with them on that.

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I guess I'd be in favor of what the planning commission said,

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only because we favor self-slexibility in these items to clean neighborhoods up when we have

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lots of additional access points that are just, just houses away.

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And this is an old fire lane that doesn't exist for a fire lane purpose anymore.

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But it does serve a drainage issue and that will little want to keep.

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So I'd like to go through a couple things here.

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The bar for vacation of public land in Orno is high by design, and we're a Lakeshore city

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that is a finite number of city owned access points.

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And as I consider this application, I think it's important to remember that public land

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is a precious resource that requires oversight, because when our city decides to vacate land,

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typically that's not going to return to the public.

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And in terms of how this request affects our city as a whole,

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I think it's important to look at this request

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in the context of history.

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And I did check with staff to understand a little bit more

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about how many leak access points we have.

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And the number is, it was about 41, five years ago,

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and today it's 39.

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So we've decreased the number and we're

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not going to be getting more of those in the future. So the considerations I'm thinking of as I

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deliberate with on this vacation request is one whether or not this request aligns with our

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2040 comprehensive plan and in that plan it states that or now will maintain like access for all

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as it ends and it's the city's intent to permanently retain

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for public use all existing like access corridors and

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file lanes regardless of the current level of use or maintenance.

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So whether the public is actively using a right of way

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is not necessarily a factor in assessing its worth to the city

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or the public and the city's guiding documents states

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that the intention is routine, these public lands.

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My second point is that this vacation is not supported by city staff, whether it be the engineer or the

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and community development planning department, one because it serves a public drainage benefit

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and possible potential use, and number two because vacations are permanent, and the DNR

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is essentially the same thing. And number four, the issues are real ones as they relate to

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the erosion issue, which is why I ask that question about whether or not that issue can be addressed in a different format.

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Not and whether or not a variance or encroachment agreement has been considered in the past, because it seems to me a more reasonable way of assessing this within the context of what's being asked, and I don't believe that necessarily a vacation of public land is required here.

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And it doesn't sound like that's been entertained, and that's, I believe, the point that

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Council Member Johnson was addressing a moment ago.

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And finally, the state statute support this vacation request, and the state statute reads

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that no vacations will be made unless it appears in the interest of the public to do so.

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And I think that the crux of the matter here is that there's not a clear and identified,

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an identifiable benefit to the public at large with relation to the vacation request.

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And I think it's easy with some of these looks that we're doing at these public right

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of ways to begin to consider that the city must assess or justify its use or how it is

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using public land, especially when there's brush on the site or when it's an undesirable piece

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I think it's easy to get in the habit of saying, well, how is the city using that land, rather than saying, by vacating it, what are we doing to serve the public at large?

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And it's clear that it may benefit the folks in that street or in the neighboring parties, but I struggled to see how that's going to benefit the original public at large or the public beyond that.

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And also the factor here of precedent and setting a precedent of addressing what may be a real issue regarding erosion by looking at the vacation of public land that does not seem necessary in this case.

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So I'm not supportive of the idea of vacating public land to resolve an issue that is a real one for sure.

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But an issue that might be looked at being resolved in a different way.

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And I would look to staff for some guidance on that.

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It sounds like there is some history there with regard to working with issues where a driveway placement or drainage issues,

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is maybe impacting people negatively.

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We're reach any of the thoughts?

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Yes, I just would defer back to public access

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being a few houses down correct, and that's where I think

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sometimes when you have multiple access points,

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you do there is danger involved in not having

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a clear streamline approach.

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So if we were to do improvements in better markings,

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would your resources be better spent and possibly safer

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if you had all entrances in exit?

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really marked and if we can't do that, there could be a safety risk. I did listen to the

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Parks Commission and they're thoughts on it and think with some encroachment, encroachment

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within the easement and drainage easement, I think we're the two items that I think were

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for sure necessary but seemed very, I don't know, desirable by everybody I think I would

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be in favor.

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I don't need as much time to say that I think it does meet the qualifications for doing what

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we have to do and I'll just get to it, because I will just then make a motion to accept

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a deaf staff, bring a resolution to vacate the right away with the drainage easement,

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as well as an encroachment agreement regarding the items that are in the easement.

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It's so like to talk about this a little bit.

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Okay, that's the discussion a little bit more.

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With these interesting things that we have throughout the city, I think it has been our

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complication.

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I guess if we can look at it like,

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you know, it was a situation that it was not really being utilized as a far-away and so forth, and

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never well-being

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so

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the benefit to the city

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for the most part is no

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as long as

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and unfortunately electronically, I'm not working real well tonight.

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I don't think that

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if there isn't other access point in the area and it's more accessible.

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I'd like

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to understand a little bit more because to my reading with state statute and with a

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complaint, it's not an indication of whether or not

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There are other accesses, close by. It's an indication of whether or not there would be public benefit to vacating the property in question here.

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To my reading, there's nothing saying that the residents also, I would think, constitute the benefit and they are part of the public.

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And if we can come up with a whole bunch of things, they are part of the public.

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I'm Melanie, would you mind speaking to that?

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Because from my reading again with the, with the, with the compound and with states statute,

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I'm trying to, to understand a little bit more about.

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There is not an obligation on the part of the city to vacate land just because there is a better access point

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or clearly marked one 500 feet away.

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That's not necessarily determining factor and whether or not we vacate this public land.

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I

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think we can talk about a whole bunch of different public issues.

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It's not a requirement that there's public accesses.

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We have the ability because we did change the campaign.

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You take the common sense approach to be able to look at what makes sense from our standpoint

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and not just say no, not just say yes, but we take all the circumstances into consideration

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when we make a decision.

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Okay.

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That makes sense.

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Let me just clarify, the drainage is still either, correct?

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That's what I put, that's what I put motion.

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The mayor's motion was, okay.

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To vacate the existing easement and establish a new easement for drainage.

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I'm wondering if I could do the right away with the easement and an encroach from agreement,

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but the stuff within the easement, which then covers kind of the whole kitten.

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So I have a motion, do I have a second?

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I'll second.

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I must.

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I put a friendly amendment to that.

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I will listen to the friendly amendment.

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I will listen to the friendly amendment.

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Can we have a pedestrian access over the top with the utility easement?

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I guess that's what you have now.

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That's what you have now.

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Right now we have a right of way, which is the most generous to the city easement we can have.

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it's as if it's our own property. So the way it is now that allows transportation across that

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easement, as well as the various different kinds of utilities. In this case, the utility

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that is there is a form of stormwater utility. So when you take it and change it from and so on

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can jump in, I see him nodding. You can change it from a right way to a drainage easement. It's still

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management, you've just reduced the benefits to the city for that easement.

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We've limited it, yes, because now it's an easement, we're just minimized in the easement to drainage.

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If you added back in, transportation over the site, then we're basically back to it.

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Yes, that's right away.

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And you show us the other one that's closed by.

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There's two of them, yeah.

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One, oh, sorry.

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I only thought two of them.

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Yes, there's the blue one.

430
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Well, she's looking at somebody.

431
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I just want to put on the record.

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I think we've met every threshold.

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I mean, I think we've met the threshold of vacating this.

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So I want to be clear.

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And all the other ones is yes.

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And so I'm not disputing that.

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But I think we can do it with a encroachment agreement.

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But I just wanted to say I wasn't in.

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I believe we've met the threshold to vacating.

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That's not my no-board isn't for that.

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Let's finish this at the movies we got a whole bunch.

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So I'll remove my friendly amendment,

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which was never adopted in the first place.

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I do have a motion in a second.

445
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Yeah, and I would.

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I'm calling for the board.

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So all in favor.

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But you won't, I just want to make sure you won't listen to anything else I've to see.

449
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I'm calling for the board.

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All in favor.

451
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Can we, I'd prefer to listen first.

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If that's okay.

453
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I would like to make sure I heard it.

454
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Oh, this is my first time hearing this.

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The mayor called the board.

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So I'm going to let that go.

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of all itself, on favor say aye.

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Aye.

459
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Aye.

460
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Okay, I pass this three to two.

461
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Thank you.

462
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Aye.

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If I want to get in touch with Melanie?

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Yes.

465
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:19,930
Who's seconded that, please?

466
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:20,810
Aye.

467
00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:21,490
It was Maria.

468
00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:27,950
And that you should probably get in touch with Melanie or somebody for the talk

469
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:29,090
about the encroachment agreement.

470
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:29,470
No.

471
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:30,090
I'll work on that.

472
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:32,310
And then we'll bring that back at the next.

473
00:34:32,390 --> 00:34:32,630
Oh yeah.

474
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:33,030
That's right.

475
00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:35,130
Cause you're going to bring it back to us.

476
00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:42,750
Okay, I don't bring any more community development report. I don't see a lower here, so

477
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:47,050
Laura's out sick today. So you probably have a slide force though.

478
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:48,990
Ron just included it in his finance.

479
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:50,370
Okay.

480
00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:53,530
Anything else from your middle any then?

481
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:54,150
No, thank you.

482
00:34:54,370 --> 00:34:55,090
Okay, thanks.

483
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:57,290
Okay, that'll bring us to our finance report.

484
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:59,970
with the monolson is last meeting here.

485
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:22,800
Okay, so we have number 20, which is at app 2024, Long Lake Faire operating budget. And that one is actually Mr. Edwards.

486
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:34,940
Okay, well, before you have the adoption of the 2024 Long Lake Faire operating budget, this was first provided to the council back in September at the time that the primary budget,

487
00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:42,040
preliminary levy was set. It was tabled at that point as far as the approval of this budget.

488
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:51,320
And staff was directed as was the fire advisory board work with the city of Long Lake on adjusting the budget.

489
00:35:51,900 --> 00:36:00,400
The budget that you have before you is an adjusted budget. Now, it's a bit nuanced. The overall Long Lake fire budget remains the same.

490
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,360
So there was no change, there are some minor moves within the budget but the end number

491
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,340
for the budget remains the same.

492
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,680
What has changed is the distribution.

493
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,500
So worked long way and did acknowledge the reduction of the Navar area.

494
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:24,780
Does reduce ornose portion of that budget by acknowledging the reduction in the land value

495
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:30,380
and the reduction in the average number of fire calls that are both the factors and

496
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:40,820
the allocation of the budget done. So you can see that in there. We need to do this vote

497
00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:49,600
into pieces due to a conflict of interest concern. So I, as the, as I wrote the council

498
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:57,180
action, I did divide it into two pieces. One is to look at approving the long-lake fire operating

499
00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:05,780
budget for 2024 as written less the wage increases and the duty crew portion of the budget

500
00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:13,240
and then a second motion to consider those two items, which the latter vote on those two items

501
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:18,760
can't remember which I believe is intending to recuse ourselves from since she is related to a fire fire

502
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,720
that would direct the benefit.

503
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:21,940
You later, she's been here, you'd do a fire fire.

504
00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:23,760
I'm going to give her more credit.

505
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:38,020
So the operation budget is going to be one with the duty crew or with the, I divided it into two, so I took the, and just so we're clear, both boats will have to carry.

506
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,720
Could you call it up on the screen please?

507
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:43,760
Both boats will have to carry in order for the, the budget to be approved.

508
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:44,460
Yep.

509
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:45,660
Yes.

510
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:46,880
Thank you.

511
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,080
It stales.

512
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,000
I have another question.

513
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
I can hear if you want to.

514
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,020
Yeah,

515
00:37:55,410 --> 00:38:05,630
one is the motion to approve the budget last May and duty crew budget lines, and then the second one is, again, approve the budget, which is the call in training,

516
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:12,030
I recall in training pay increases, so two separate motions to separate votes within that item.

517
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,660
But it is just the wages by itself.

518
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Yes, right.

519
00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:20,720
The wages of duty crew and operational budget minus wages.

520
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:22,780
Is duty crew and wages are separate?

521
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:23,900
Are separate?

522
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,340
Duty crew is a wage?

523
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:31,900
So we take that in the actual wages and the duty crew, how it is the first item.

524
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,540
And do you have a conflict of interest on the duty crew vote?

525
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:36,100
Because it could be a wage.

526
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:38,800
So I consulted with Sorn and got the advice.

527
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,960
And asked if we could separate it because I wanted to be able to vote on the budget.

528
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:47,770
So there I could have thought I would try to write the council action.

529
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:49,270
First one, there.

530
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:55,290
Motion to approve the 2024 long-lake fire operating budget less pay and duty crew budget the budget lines.

531
00:38:55,290 --> 00:39:07,350
And then the second motion would be to approve the budget of the fire call training paying increases in the duty curve, which is also, again, combined together as an approval of the budget.

532
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:15,690
But as you have any more just details on the budget itself kind of what you worked out and what's still to be worked out as we kind of go a little bit.

533
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:27,410
So, just some highlights for the 2024 budget, some things that make it different than previous budget years, which are much more straightforward.

534
00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:36,590
So, the first we've already alluded to is a long-lick fire has implemented a volunteer duty crew program.

535
00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:49,210
They did a pilot program, this year using their state safety dollars or grants dollars.

536
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:57,990
And so in the budget there is an inclusion continuing that program into 2024 as a budgeted item.

537
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:59,850
So...

538
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,200
That is one of the items that's different. And then I did, in the packet, as I think it's

539
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:13,820
Exhibit C, I put in what the Long Lake fire chief had put together as the program, kind of

540
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:19,580
aligning the program and what its purpose is for. So, and they are, you know, the program is aimed

541
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:24,960
at targeting service times with the goal of getting those duty crews out the door in two minutes.

542
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:44,100
And also, I think also of key importance is the improvement of firefighter-skill levels by providing additional training opportunities to those firefighters who take advantage of the duty group pace of, you know, they're coming on ship for four hours, and there's nothing to call out there, they're not just sitting there, they're doing, they're doing training.

543
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:53,240
So the 2024 budget includes that, the one thing we did talk about, at least the staff level

544
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:59,140
back and forth was that this is still an early program that still needs adjustments,

545
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,900
they're still refining, refining, how it works from what they originally set out.

546
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:10,860
And that idea would be to continue to provide updates via the Fire Advisory Board, which was

547
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:15,360
the partnering city sit on so that the cities were still having an opportunity to provide feedback.

548
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,040
The second thing I already mentioned to you is the allocation formula,

549
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:28,120
portion, so the reduction of the Navar service area, which begins in July of 2024,

550
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:35,740
drastically, impacts the way that that allocation formula works. The budget that you received in September,

551
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,840
we didn't back that out. We were going to we had planned staff to staff to back that out

552
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:54,720
But once we got there, so that we would approve a budget with all that, then the way that it would be allocated, the actualals would be allocated as we got to the 3rd and 4th course would be using the new allocation.

553
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,580
But in the interim time, we were able to apply the new allocation formula.

554
00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:04,200
When you say staff to staff, you mean our staff and long-lake staff.

555
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:04,540
Correct.

556
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:07,540
So that is backed out of the numbers now.

557
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:10,720
it is backed out of the numbers. That's the reason you see a reduction from what you're

558
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:11,780
already saw in September.

559
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:17,700
And then finally I think the third big piece of what makes this

560
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:24,440
budget different than past budgets is that it does include a substantial wage increase for the

561
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,760
firefighters, something that's probably long overdue, and the budget proposal as presented

562
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,000
increases the hourly wage for the paid-on call firefighters from $13 an hour for training

563
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,240
for response to 15 to 65 an hour.

564
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,200
So, and I will say that that wage increase was something that was, I think, unanimously supported

565
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,540
by all members of the Fire Advisory Board from all of the different cities.

566
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:54,540
I did that answer.

567
00:42:55,540 --> 00:43:00,140
I just want to just give you a brief overview before we figure any questions or any discussion

568
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:01,100
about it.

569
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,360
It seems like we've kind of got as close as we can get there's going to be like you said nuances

570
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,640
moving forward with just changes and just getting information on how the pilot program is

571
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,340
working, I just say it's too early to get really any of that information at this point,

572
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:16,500
so that's going to be a little bit of a moving target, which I think we're close enough

573
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:21,260
at this point, so I'm good with that to continue to move it forward, so I don't know what anybody

574
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:24,180
else is thoughts are here, so, or if anybody has anything to do with it.

575
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:26,560
Well, I have, so,

576
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Adam, would you be willing, will you pull up exhibit C, UD crew program?

577
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:44,240
I think, in a nutshell, my opinion is, you know, the, you know, we had about $40,000 in increased

578
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:55,180
due to the hourly wage increase, and there is $60,000 in the duty crew.

579
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:03,720
So the operational budget plus the wage increase for the fire fires, I'm 100% there now.

580
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:21,820
So the question to me is the duty crew and, you know, here's my concern, I mean even on this, you can see up in the top there it said this was first issued, uh, first issued in 2023.

581
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,010
the current revision was back from O3 2003.

582
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:30,380
I don't know what happened, and it's probably the same.

583
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:31,340
I think that's a typo.

584
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,260
It should be 2023.

585
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,260
And then at the bottom of this,

586
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:42,720
it says that there will be an update to this in the next three weeks,

587
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:43,820
I think it said,

588
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:55,140
and that we were going to get an update in the next three weeks

589
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,560
to the standard operating procedures

590
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,980
of the duty crew.

591
00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:07,190
And where this, you know, duty crew is different. You know, James, do you mind coming forward?

592
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:18,250
Is this duty crew is a volunteer model with the existing paid-on call and they sign up for shifts?

593
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,340
And, you know, James, would you just explain the difference between the food just for the record?

594
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:33,700
Sure, absolutely, so this one, they receive a stipend for volunteering to be on shift, right?

595
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:40,120
So ours is different where we're actually hiring part-time individuals to work during the day for those shifts.

596
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:47,240
And why did you, why did you, because we already went through this conversation, but just to bring us everybody current,

597
00:45:47,780 --> 00:45:52,640
is why did we go with that versus the model that long-lake is?

598
00:45:53,740 --> 00:46:06,640
So I thought it would be easier to hire individuals that wanted to work during the day as part time firefighters and then they would eventually move on to be full time firefighters because it was a big group of them that wanted to do that out there.

599
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:16,780
This model was just what excels you started with and that's what Mike was familiar with and they did well over there with that so I believe that's why he chose this model.

600
00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:26,060
And the issue that makes sense to me is the daytime responsiveness is our issue, specifically

601
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:31,300
out of station number two's territory, we've been doing all call during daytime, calling

602
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:31,780
everybody.

603
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:38,360
And the reason is is because we don't have the same availability of firefighters available

604
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,760
during daytime hours.

605
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:40,440
Correct.

606
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,540
For the most part, they're working there full-time jobs that span their mortgage and a lot

607
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:49,360
and most types of things, so they're taking time out of their days to be able to fill these shifts, so.

608
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:55,640
So when you go to this volunteer model during the day, it's the same group of people and therefore you have the same problem,

609
00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:04,260
because even we can say it's early in early stages of the duty crew at Long Lake,

610
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:12,820
but their model is trying to use the labor that they already know they have a shortage of and they're not getting the slots filled.

611
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:20,220
I will say this in the conversation with Chief Fallon and crackling with the fire advisory board, but he showed kind of an increase in

612
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:27,080
Phil Rates as the months went on. Is that what others had heard of the fire advisory board meeting?

613
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,340
Or I can still talk to everything, Chris.

614
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:30,560
Yeah, sorry.

615
00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:37,020
Station one they said was still an issue. I think they showed they had put

616
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:40,920
to excuse me was still an issue to staff. They should

617
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,520
one, they were finding, I think it outlined that they were going to do one person at

618
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,740
station one from this and they were building it actually up to four people. It's

619
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:56,900
station one. At station two I want to probably pull it up. They provided us I think

620
00:47:56,900 --> 00:48:03,280
of all the shifts for October. Maybe only five of them had two people, so a full

621
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:14,160
I know when we also talked to other freight apartments that had started the same model and found out that the problems that they were having was for number one reliability.

622
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,200
And number two of the people that were coming and doing these daytime shifts are getting their credits and then they weren't going to the on call calls.

623
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:22,400
So they were getting sort of on call calls.

624
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,860
So they ended up being such a bad experience.

625
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:25,680
They think up and plummet.

626
00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:26,500
They abandoned that.

627
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:31,820
Just went to the full duty crew of model, which they said was much much much better.

628
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:34,440
which is obviously the way we're going to be doing this.

629
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Yeah, that's what we utilize that model based off of

630
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,240
Minotock and Polethan, even Prairie in those larger cities

631
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,700
that we're seeing a little more successful.

632
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:46,100
But I'm comfortable with the pay increase.

633
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,560
My concerns would be are we, maybe I'm stepping on Matt Stos

634
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,460
saying the same thing, but are we not stepping on my toes

635
00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:58,740
if you're seeing the same thing?

636
00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:01,640
Well, what I'm saying is I'm reiterating it.

637
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,160
But are we answering the problem at Station 2 daytime calls?

638
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:13,560
Because I implementing the duty crew and we've got proper response time from Station 1,

639
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:15,200
which really wasn't a problem.

640
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,200
I don't feel like we're addressing anything.

641
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,760
What Station 2, we're going to take that over in July, so that, so we're going to be implementing

642
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,700
a full of the crew.

643
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:24,560
Some of the territory.

644
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:30,160
Part of my entire territory, at least over there, but we don't have any information to see

645
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,400
there's just working and we won't have it moving forward.

646
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,000
So we're gonna give us a smattering of times.

647
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,020
It's a little bit to be, they're doing better

648
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:38,200
with their turn-out times.

649
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,380
I don't think they're hitting their two-minute goal,

650
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:43,060
but I know they've improved that dramatically,

651
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,800
at least from what Mike's supplied us so far.

652
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:47,860
So, yeah, I just like, yeah.

653
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,240
It would have been nice if he was here presenting us.

654
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,700
You know, I thought that one applicant was him, actually.

655
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:57,720
The, oh yeah, he kind of looked like a map.

656
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,840
I don't know, did he's here.

657
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,920
So, the one thing to sort of remember in this duty crew, again, is this two different duty crew models.

658
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,540
The one advantage I think that the one thing about what's long-lake fires trying to do is,

659
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,100
one, the acknowledge what was a long-standing problem, a long-standing goal to provide duty crews.

660
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:23,280
They have chosen a different model than what we have chosen for the reasons,

661
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:32,000
But the one thing that are seeing decent response for volunteers at Station 1, so we are seeing seeing that.

662
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:36,700
And there is an advantage to that to the entire call area.

663
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:45,580
If you have four duty crew available during the daytime, even if they come in from Station 1, they can get to the Station 2 cover area.

664
00:50:45,940 --> 00:50:51,740
A lot faster than trying to pull just, you know, pay it on call guys who might be at their other places of employment.

665
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:59,800
So there is an advantage. Some of it is not realized yet. I don't think in any structural change or organizational change of this magnitude

666
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:06,120
You're going to see it meet all its goals in three months. I think that's unrealistic.

667
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:13,880
You know what long-lake is kind of asking for in this is to continue this program at I think a 60% funding rate

668
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:19,500
and they can expand it and get it to grow and improve.

669
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:24,720
The other benefit that they're really seeing is that small group training when they only have three or four people there,

670
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,160
you can really get the hands-on piece to that, and that's a mark improvement.

671
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:32,060
I think they've been certifying more drivers too.

672
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,640
Exactly, that's what's very helpful where you can't do that.

673
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,360
Well,

674
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:42,380
I agree that it's early in having patients with the process as acceptable.

675
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:43,300
What to me?

676
00:51:43,300 --> 00:52:09,420
is hard to get behind, is this was dated in July, and it said in three weeks, the leadership team will continue to finalize the SOP, and we've asked you guys have asked for more updates on how this is going to, you know, the standard operating procedure, all this could have been outlined to us in more detail and it hasn't.

677
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:23,780
And I think it's premature to, you know, put taxpayers money towards the program that they haven't completely outlined and updated, you know, to us despite our asking.

678
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:35,140
So, and then the other piece of that is is they won't use any of our resources during this period either.

679
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:48,780
We could put James in station number two, serve as a duty crew member there, utilize that resource and sure additional coverage for that area while we transition.

680
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:56,020
And that's another piece that they're not allowing and even going back even to, you know,

681
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:04,320
along as a blue line, blue card training, you know, they're hiring outside parties to do blue

682
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:10,540
line training, blue card, and blue card training when we can provide it for free.

683
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,960
And that is not cooperation and there has to be some to put our money.

684
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:26,740
So, again, you know, where I'm at is the budget, the wage increases, I'm on board with the duty

685
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:27,600
crew.

686
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,280
I'm not supportive of supporting based on where we're at today.

687
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:42,220
I think we work it out, but we didn't get the updates from them to show that they're organizing

688
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:43,000
yet.

689
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,040
And it's a lot of money.

690
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:51,520
point well made, I agree. The one thing in their defense from this July document,

691
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:58,830
if they

692
00:53:58,830 --> 00:54:02,610
haven't given us a written update to the procedures are planning not.

693
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:13,020
So we know, I just got the one update at the last, along the way, about time, sir, performance.

694
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:19,580
We just had the one. That's all I've been to, they've brought it an update there.

695
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:31,580
Well, I mean, update, but they don't have a plan for it yet, because this one says that there's going to be doody cruise in both station one and station number two.

696
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,600
I mean, do we know that to be true?

697
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:35,960
We have there.

698
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,100
We have they provided their monthly rosters

699
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:41,650
to fill rates.

700
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,360
If it is like one person at station.

701
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,160
That's where they're stationed, too.

702
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:55,940
Council member, I'm going to talk about how you can see on those that they're getting really good response rates for station one at some points, I think, having four.

703
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:59,880
A lot of station station number two, their responses is usually one.

704
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:18,560
And again, talking with the administrator over a long leg, that is one of the things that they will have to be looking at in the new years, do we adjust the model so that maybe they don't even attempt to try to build a station too, as focus on station one.

705
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:28,120
I say it's a little bit of a movie, right? There's a whole bunch of different things that the chief and the team over there can do to try to keep growing.

706
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:38,730
I agree. I agree with everything Matt said, but I think at this point, I think we need to move it forward and you guys can work as is to have to make sure and with a very advisory board to

707
00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:45,090
To make sure they're held accountable to best being the stuff that they're supposed to bring so I know you can only vote on one of these

708
00:55:46,990 --> 00:55:52,350
Rea so I'll make a motion to approve the 2024 long-lake operating budget less pay and duty crew budget lines

709
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:55,210
Second that

710
00:55:55,210 --> 00:56:01,690
on favor say aye I opposed you know that passes five zero and the Maria will recus

711
00:56:01,690 --> 00:56:05,470
herself on the second one and so I'll make a motion to approve the 2024

712
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:09,570
long-length fire operation budget fire call and training pay increases.

713
00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:16,690
On favor say aye aye not that passes four to one abstent and there's yeah and one

714
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:22,270
nay okay thank you that was the pay increases what's that but that a duty crew that's

715
00:56:22,270 --> 00:56:24,750
the duty crew it's duty crew am paid together

716
00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:26,410
So I'm against it.

717
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:30,870
A 320 crew portion, but three one and one more on the day and correct it.

718
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:32,830
He would have been a three in a hand.

719
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:34,810
Okay, I didn't direct it.

720
00:56:34,930 --> 00:56:35,330
Yeah, right.

721
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:38,030
Okay, the little bring us to a number 21.

722
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:42,470
Ron, our final, love me 2023, collectible in 2024.

723
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:45,150
Resolution 74th, 36th.

724
00:56:46,310 --> 00:56:46,790
Thanks, Chief.

725
00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:49,030
Thank you, Mayor.

726
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:54,190
Yes, this item is to adopt the 2024 collectible.

727
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:57,290
tax levy, which is used to fund our budget.

728
00:56:58,630 --> 00:57:02,710
We had our truth and taxation meeting two weeks ago.

729
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:07,350
No one really, completely about the tax levy itself.

730
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:15,510
There is one comment that was made during the team meeting that I would like to clear up and

731
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:19,170
review this with the transcript of the feature of our new software today.

732
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:26,330
And there was a comment made that said that not paying down debt is fiscally irresponsible.

733
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:36,770
And I would just like to let the citizens know that the city is paying down all of the debt that we are legally required to pay.

734
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:40,170
And when it comes to bonds, this had to do with the debt service level.

735
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:46,050
When it comes to bonds, it's not as if we can just say we're repaying this bond early,

736
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:57,110
or we're repaying a portion of this bonderly we can only pay these bonds and they're due unless we do a formal council action to refund to the whole bond issue,

737
00:57:57,170 --> 00:58:02,170
which I don't think there's any move to do that and certainly that would take time.

738
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:09,150
So I just wanted to clear it up. We are paying all of the debt that we are legally responsible to pay.

739
00:58:10,030 --> 00:58:26,630
With that said, the tax levy was going up 12.6%, it fully funds the operating budget and the general fund, it fully funds the orinal fire department and it fully covers our debt service.

740
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:35,410
So if there's any other questions, we've, the levy has not changed since it was adopted as the preliminary levy three months ago.

741
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:37,310
tax rate is actually going down.

742
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:39,570
Tax rate is going down just a here.

743
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:45,330
So I'm just going to say that I'm not in agreement and just reiterate that the 12.26 increase

744
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:50,350
would be a 4% increase that we're not for the Orno fire department therefore I do not support

745
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:51,210
this resolution.

746
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:53,470
All right.

747
00:58:53,470 --> 00:59:00,150
I'll make a motion to approve bill as a resolution 7436 set in the 2023 collectible 24 tax

748
00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:00,670
lobby.

749
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:01,470
I'll second it.

750
00:59:01,470 --> 00:59:04,450
That's me on favor say aye aye aye aye.

751
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:05,190
Opposed?

752
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:05,770
No.

753
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:07,570
That passes for to one.

754
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:08,150
Okay.

755
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:16,550
That'll bring us to number 22, which is special revenue funds budgets 24 resolution 7438.

756
00:59:17,810 --> 00:59:20,590
And thank you Mayor that won again as me.

757
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:25,150
There is not a whole lot to be said about the special revenue funds.

758
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:31,450
We had adopt budgets for these funds that are restricted uses of the

759
00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:31,910
funds.

760
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:38,610
So the park fund main funding source used to be parked education fees and they're restricted

761
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:45,150
by law as to what they could be used for and that's why we created the revenue fund

762
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:47,610
way before my time here.

763
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:52,550
We now supplement those parked education fees with a tax levy.

764
00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:59,970
The Tiff Fund was established with the building of the Orino Woods.

765
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:29,840
It's senior building. It is used to, it was originally its current purposes to be used to pay off the bond or the bonds that the company built or no was took out. It's called a pay as you go, tiff district. And so that's that's why that one's separate. And the drug and felony forfeature one has restrictions to with those are, sometimes if there's a DWI and a car will be forfeited and sold it auction.

766
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:38,720
those funds can only be used for traffic enforcement, DWI enforcement, and then if it's a drug

767
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:49,460
forfiture, those funds can only be used specifically for drug programs or policing. So that's why

768
01:00:49,460 --> 01:00:53,660
you have the special revenue funds. We do have a few other ones that we don't actually adopt

769
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:59,800
budgets for one would be like the Crystal Bay Lake Improvement District where they come to us,

770
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,660
We love the special assessment on their behalf, so they don't have to go around knocking

771
01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:06,360
on doors, collecting papers.

772
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:07,000
Same one.

773
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,020
But since that, we're just a pass through entity on that one, we don't actually adopt

774
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:13,160
a formal budget.

775
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,080
And I guess that's all I have.

776
01:01:15,580 --> 01:01:20,620
Say about the special revenue funds, I must have a question, questions about the revenue

777
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:21,200
funds.

778
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:28,020
We'll make a motion to approve resolution 7438, 24 special revenue funds budgets.

779
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:30,860
Second.

780
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,320
I'm going to reach on.

781
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,140
The paper say aye.

782
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:33,600
Aye.

783
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:34,320
I'm opposed.

784
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,680
Not that pass is five to zero.

785
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:37,520
Okay.

786
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:44,280
That'll bring us to number 23, which is fee schedule updates ordinance 288.

787
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Okay.

788
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:45,560
Thank you.

789
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:53,000
And the document itself has a number of changes made to it.

790
01:01:53,000 --> 01:02:00,680
Most of them are minor in housekeeping in nature, I think, and the building and zoning we added,

791
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:09,300
the words, less expenses to it, it really didn't change anything, it just cleared it up that,

792
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:14,100
yes, people who are applying might have to pay additional expenses that are incurred by the city,

793
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,500
which was always the case, but it just made it in the, in the fees schedule.

794
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:48,480
There were some wording changes to, and some amount changes to make what the police were charging when they made a photo copy for someone, the same as what the city, all would do for a photo copy, and like I said a lot of minor minor changes there, the bigger changes, or the changes, most people are interested in would be the utility rates, and if you remember we actually adopted the new utility rates at the last meeting, so that we could communicate.

795
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:55,840
those changes to the citizens on their utility bills that were just male-class week.

796
01:02:56,060 --> 01:02:57,500
I saw them.

797
01:02:58,060 --> 01:02:59,480
I saw them come.

798
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,180
They showed up.

799
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:00,840
There you go.

800
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:08,100
And they're included in tonight's memo just because they're included as a section of the fee schedule

801
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:08,740
as a whole.

802
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:13,000
But the council already gave the approval of them two weeks ago.

803
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:17,020
That's really all I have on the fee schedule unless someone has.

804
01:03:17,020 --> 01:03:19,440
Anybody any questions in the fee schedule?

805
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:24,280
We've got two motions that will make it the same time here.

806
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,360
Motion to one adopt the ordinance 288 of the third series of

807
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,740
Mending Title 1 Chapter 2 of the City Code relating to the

808
01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:35,280
fee schedule and number 2 approve the summary publication of

809
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,020
ordinance 288.

810
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:39,340
I'll sign on it.

811
01:03:39,660 --> 01:03:40,600
On favor say aye.

812
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:40,980
Aye.

813
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,020
Not that passes five zero.

814
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:50,280
Okay, that'll bring us to number 24, which is adopt 2024 Capital Improvement Plan.

815
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,420
Okay, thank you, Mayor.

816
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:58,160
The Capital Improvement Plan, I would like to start out by stating this is a planning document only.

817
01:03:58,780 --> 01:04:03,540
Approval of the Capital Improvement Plan does not approve any individual expenditure,

818
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:10,180
and since these are all big projects in them when we move forward with them when it would require us

819
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:12,540
coming back to council or approval.

820
01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:15,380
So this is more of a planning document.

821
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:18,260
We use it when we're setting utility rates in the future.

822
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,400
We, it accounts for all the infrastructure improvements needed

823
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,900
for water, sewer, storm water, public works with their trucks.

824
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,100
The police department, the golf course,

825
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:38,220
every department in the city that has capital or expensive equipment

826
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:48,860
Or has big projects, we try to keep track of them, so we can forecast tax needs and rate

827
01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:50,800
needs for the utility funds.

828
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Anyone has any questions on it?

829
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,920
we could talk about it, but we've, the council.

830
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,140
We've seen that before, too. It was seen talked about briefly last week. And we'll be available on the website by the end of the week once it's approved.

831
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,800
Any other questions for Ron and the improvement plan?

832
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:28,600
I don't have any questions. I just want to make a comment that I'm not in support of this capital improvement plan, because of the expenditures that we are

833
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:34,080
and dollars that could be used for other opportunities in public safety, but we're earmarking

834
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,340
for the Arnaut Fire Department.

835
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,040
Motion to approve the 2024 CIP.

836
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:40,660
So moved.

837
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,980
The favor say aye.

838
01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:42,420
Aye.

839
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:43,160
Opposed?

840
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:45,120
Can I second it?

841
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:45,360
Rich.

842
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,220
I'm sorry.

843
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:47,140
Got it.

844
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:48,460
No.

845
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:48,880
No.

846
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:49,120
No.

847
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:49,240
No.

848
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,320
No.

849
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:50,120
No.

850
01:05:51,620 --> 01:05:59,280
That'll bring us the number 25, which is the final general fund budget 2024 resolution 7437.

851
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:10,600
The budget, the general fund budget has really not changed since the adoption of the preliminary general fund budget.

852
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:16,400
We've shifted some numbers around as numbers came in and became more definite.

853
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:23,360
And the total amount of the General Fund budget is the same as was adopted in September.

854
01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:41,740
And short of any, and once again, we had the Truth and Taxation meeting the last week that allowed public comment on the budget and Council to talk about the budget and other than some comments about the Orinal Fire Department, the public really had no comments on the General Fund budget at all.

855
01:06:41,740 --> 01:06:48,280
So, the questions we can pull up some information, but otherwise, that's all I have.

856
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:50,580
Any questions on that one?

857
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,020
No questions, just a comment, but again, I don't support this.

858
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,260
Plan to expenditure related to Ornafair Department.

859
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:04,660
We're looking to spend over $772,000 next year, which is a 342% increase over this year.

860
01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:06,180
So, I don't agree with this direction.

861
01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:14,040
the lowest tax in the area and we'll motion to approve of Resolution 7437 adapting the

862
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,900
2024 General of Unbudget.

863
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,120
Let's think of it.

864
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,960
Thanks for your Johnson on, Faber, say aye.

865
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:20,260
Hi.

866
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:20,980
Opposed?

867
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,940
Number 26 as Enterprise Funds Budget 2024 Resolution 7439.

868
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,780
Okay, thank you, Mary.

869
01:07:33,140 --> 01:07:35,540
I believe this is my last budget item.

870
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:43,140
I do have one comment I would like to make as a result of last meeting's T&T meeting.

871
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:50,960
The comment was made that the enterprise funds are referring to the enterprise funds,

872
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:58,400
a slush funds that actually bothered me quite a bit because we do a, we work hard at setting

873
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,640
our rates and setting what we need for the enterprise funds and to refer to them as slush

874
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:11,620
ones is just that that was rather uncold for yes they do have good fund balances the last

875
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:17,620
two years on water especially we've had droughts so we are exceeded our revenue expectations

876
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:23,640
if you go back three of the four years before that we had incredibly wet seasons and we were

877
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:33,200
actually under budget on some of our water revenues and it's all because those funds are very

878
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,420
The new one, we just moved the golf course back to an enterprise fund that should be seen

879
01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:39,320
as a positive step.

880
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,060
It's being moved out of the general fund, so regular tax dollars will no longer be supporting

881
01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:46,440
the golf course fund.

882
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,380
But, rest a little bit off the utility funds.

883
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:53,460
I think we do a great job of setting the budgets there.

884
01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:01,740
The rates were set in a 2019 rate study and once again, 2% for water, 2% for sewer, 1% for

885
01:09:01,740 --> 01:09:07,240
warm water significantly below the level of inflation. So I think we are doing a great job there.

886
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:12,840
And some of that cash balance that's referred to as slush. I would just like to remind everybody

887
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:20,580
that the sewer fund has over $21 million worth of infrastructure in the ground. It is expensive to maintain.

888
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:30,280
It's expensive to replace. And that's why we have the rate set as we have. And the water fund has $9.3 million worth of infrastructure in the ground.

889
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,020
or the water in the case could be a water tower,

890
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,440
which is anything but in the ground.

891
01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:37,120
But that's why we have the water rates we do.

892
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:39,340
That's why we have the sewer rates we do.

893
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:46,960
And once again, the council has met with the budget committee.

894
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:49,060
We've met with the whole council to work session.

895
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,020
And the rates have already been set.

896
01:09:51,460 --> 01:09:54,820
This is, that's all I have to say about the enterprise budget.

897
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,940
All right, any questions about the interface budget?

898
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:59,120
Good job.

899
01:09:59,120 --> 01:09:59,700
Work Run.

900
01:09:59,900 --> 01:09:59,980
Yep.

901
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:26,160
I think I think too on water and infrastructure and you correct me if I'm wrong, you know, our population density, because it's a more rural area, we've got longer pipes, less people on them, not as dense of populated areas. So, 45 lift stations rotate for 2,100 connections, that's a very high ratio of lift stations to connections.

902
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:33,120
It's going to be great for people when those pipes or sort of connections need to be replaced

903
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,370
that you're not being assessed on at your home.

904
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,360
Is that going to be devastating to a lot of people?

905
01:10:38,620 --> 01:10:45,540
We've planned very well to make sure all these budgets are taken care of whether it's parks, whether it's engines,

906
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,680
cars, or snowplows, or robots.

907
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,840
We do a fabulous job and make sure everything is budgeted and taken care of for our citizens.

908
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,520
and top of being the lowest tax rate around here.

909
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:57,560
Excellent job, man.

910
01:10:57,860 --> 01:10:58,360
Thank you.

911
01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:00,820
Good job, Brown, for all your help over the years on that as well.

912
01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:03,720
Any other questions for Ron at all?

913
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:07,000
I appreciate everything you've taught me, Ron.

914
01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:09,880
And I think your forecast, Dean, is very impressive.

915
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,320
Thank you.

916
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,180
All right, we're motion to adopt Resolution to 74.39

917
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:18,140
established in the 2024 Enterprise Fund budgets.

918
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,280
So I'm on favor say aye.

919
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:20,700
Aye.

920
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:23,980
I always, it's not that fast as 5 to 0.

921
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:27,520
Okay, well that'll bring us, well let's go back to it.

922
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,900
Run, any other finance stuff.

923
01:11:29,140 --> 01:11:29,720
What do we have at you?

924
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:30,960
Slide for us.

925
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,220
I do have a slide.

926
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:40,300
Before we get to the slide, I just want to take this opportunity to say it's been, it's been

927
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:45,640
an enjoy, mostly enjoyable 26 years, there's been a little stress at times,

928
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:48,480
but you guys

929
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:54,320
We'll be in good hands with Maggie taking over, I have nothing but positive things.

930
01:11:58,730 --> 01:12:03,030
In about six months, you'll say, Ron, who, that'll be fine with me.

931
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:04,590
She might be calling you a lot.

932
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:05,610
You might be.

933
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:06,810
Yeah, my phone number.

934
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:10,550
Adam, if you could pull up the permit slide.

935
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:11,690
Oh.

936
01:12:12,910 --> 01:12:14,310
What does that not show the whole slide?

937
01:12:14,670 --> 01:12:15,630
It's not the same one.

938
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:17,470
It's not the same thing last time we're again.

939
01:12:18,710 --> 01:12:19,350
There we go.

940
01:12:19,730 --> 01:12:20,130
There we go.

941
01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:20,830
That looks better.

942
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:27,650
Yes, and as you can see, I added a black line there, which is roughly the budget among

943
01:12:27,650 --> 01:12:35,850
a 565,000, we are well above it, had just a hair under 800,000 through November, so we

944
01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:42,870
will go over 800,000, we're definitely ahead of last year also, so that's the good news.

945
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:47,910
there is extra building permit fees collected,

946
01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:52,190
are over what was budgeted, I talked with Laura a little bit

947
01:12:52,190 --> 01:12:55,250
about this, and she's not here to talk on her behalf.

948
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:59,450
At the moment, we have Orno crossings, what we've all done,

949
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:03,650
we've had stone bay, it's built out Lakeview golf course

950
01:13:03,650 --> 01:13:06,710
that the development has maybe a couple of homes left.

951
01:13:07,390 --> 01:13:09,770
So we are running out of the big developments.

952
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:20,950
So my suspicion is that we will come back down closer to the budget at numbers just because we don't have those big developments going on right now, but who knows?

953
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:23,770
Maybe maybe one of the two down.

954
01:13:24,030 --> 01:13:25,030
Highway 12 here.

955
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:31,330
How many one 12 will pop and then will exceed budget again?

956
01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:40,220
It's good news on the building permit revenue slide and I'm presenting it on behalf of Laura,

957
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:45,000
because she didn't want to say goodbye to me and I would have hurt both of that.

958
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,280
Oh my god, that's a cutest thing ever.

959
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:49,540
She was sick today.

960
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,340
It's so real.

961
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:55,060
It's still cute.

962
01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:58,440
Oh, yeah, that's a good job.

963
01:13:58,540 --> 01:14:03,800
I mean, that's, and when there's not big dollar permits, that means a lot more work,

964
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,580
because a lot more applications for our staff.

965
01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:11,040
Yeah, they'll still be the re-ruffing and the re-siding of the additions.

966
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:16,480
The people tearing down housing tearing down and re-models, I'm sure.

967
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:17,760
I don't know.

968
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:20,800
Well, good job, Melanie.

969
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,220
You're the only planning department left here.

970
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:24,320
That's good.

971
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:25,760
Thank you.

972
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:27,160
All right.

973
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,340
Well, that'll bring us to our attorney report.

974
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:31,240
Mr. Mayor, members of the council.

975
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,680
I don't have an update for tonight.

976
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:46,980
That brings us to our city administrator report which brings us to our 27 27 appreciation for finance director Ronald's and Resolution 7435.

977
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:49,760
We could have put that on consent, I would not have.

978
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:55,300
So you have a resolution here, I'd like to read it.

979
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,960
as it's a resolution of appreciation to Ronald J. Olsen for his 20...

980
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,040
Any six years of dedicated service, resolution number 7435, whereas Ronald since set the example for

981
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:14,720
his fellow public service with his positive attitude, column demeanor, and service focus, since being appointed

982
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:22,820
as a management analyst, slash accountant, an October 27th, 1997, and whereas through hard work and technical

983
01:15:22,820 --> 01:15:29,720
competence, Ron quickly progressed to positions of increasing responsibility first by being

984
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:34,920
from what had to do a assistant finance director in 1998 and culminating in his appointment

985
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:41,560
as the Orno Finance Director in 2006, whereas Ron's final acumen has been instrumental

986
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:47,440
in the city's establishment and maintenance of a AAA bond rating since 2005, one of the

987
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:52,940
relatively few million municipalities of Orno-sized to do so, as well as receiving a 100%

988
01:15:52,940 --> 01:15:54,860
clean annual audit reports.

989
01:15:54,860 --> 01:16:00,340
And whereas Ron led the establishment and then the modernization of the city's information

990
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:06,040
technology system, including the current network and communication system, as well as implementing

991
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:11,420
of numerous software programs, resulting in improved efficiencies in accuracy throughout

992
01:16:11,420 --> 01:16:13,780
the wide variety of city staff functions.

993
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,580
And whereas Ron created the city's human resource function and then spearheaded the streamlining

994
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:24,640
of the personnel system through the implementation of automated benefits on boarding and

995
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:31,620
role, and whereas Ron's 2006 Olsen, Ron Olsen's 26 years of service, have been characterized

996
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:37,940
by professionalism, expertise, and dedication to providing the highest quality service to the

997
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:45,120
city and its citizens. And now therefore, be it resolved, at the Orno City Council, staff and

998
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,660
residents, which to extend their utmost appreciation and gratitude to Ron Olsen for his service

999
01:16:50,660 --> 01:16:56,880
the community as a finance director adopted by the City Council of Orinal Minnesota and a regular

1000
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,440
meeting held this 11th day of December 2023. Thank you Ron.

1001
01:17:13,810 --> 01:17:15,730
Do I have a motion to adopt the resolution?

1002
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:18,050
So move all second it.

1003
01:17:18,230 --> 01:17:19,030
One favor say aye.

1004
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:22,830
Note that pass this five is your wrong. Come up here for a picture with the seal.

1005
01:17:23,170 --> 01:17:23,790
Oh, it's nice.

1006
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:24,450
Okay.

1007
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:25,850
So we're going to take the picture.

1008
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:26,710
Who's going to take the picture?

1009
01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:26,990
Who's going to take the picture?

1010
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,060
Yeah, I'm getting in here.

1011
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,180
Come on.

1012
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,400
Yeah, come on, come on.

1013
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:39,820
Okay.

1014
01:17:39,820 --> 01:17:41,120
So we're going to make a good day.

1015
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:46,160
So we're going to make a good day for the water.

1016
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,440
So we're going to make a good day for the water.

1017
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:04,160
Okay.

1018
01:18:04,260 --> 01:18:05,140
We'll see you in Wednesday.

1019
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,000
A little cake and everything going.

1020
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:08,900
Okay.

1021
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,080
So we're out of the retirement party in Wednesday.

1022
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,380
So we're going to have to bring us food, counsel.

1023
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:24,160
Or do you have any more city ends here in the ministry reports?

1024
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:25,260
No.

1025
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:29,340
Other than the staff focus over the last couple of weeks has really been

1026
01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:33,860
given budget finalized as well as as you mentioned for funding,

1027
01:18:34,420 --> 01:18:36,460
funding replacement for our finance director.

1028
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:39,420
We're able to accomplish that both of those things.

1029
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:41,140
All right.

1030
01:18:41,260 --> 01:18:43,000
A lot of bringing us to council committee reports.

1031
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,540
I'm not sure if we had any in the last couple of weeks.

1032
01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:48,560
We did not think that just got left on the title.

1033
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:49,580
Okay.

1034
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:49,840
Okay.

1035
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:50,760
Okay.

1036
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,740
Sometimes we have one and a, they get we had one.

1037
01:18:53,220 --> 01:18:54,300
So, okay, public comments.

1038
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:56,240
So, this will be limited to three minutes per person.

1039
01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:59,080
It's an opportunity for the public to address the city council.

1040
01:18:59,740 --> 01:19:03,940
The city council will not engage in discussion or take actions on items presented at this time.

1041
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:08,600
However, the council may refer issues to staff or follow or consideration in a few meetings.

1042
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,160
Staff, speakers should state their name and home address.

1043
01:19:13,180 --> 01:19:17,380
At the podium before speaking, we will invite this owner residence first.

1044
01:19:17,380 --> 01:19:21,620
So when the owner residents are done, we will ask for any non-order residents to come up.

1045
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,900
There's any owner residents that would like to come up tonight.

1046
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,620
Cheryl Colzette, 725 Stone Bay Drive, or no.

1047
01:19:40,460 --> 01:19:46,140
During the last city council meeting, six citizens came up during the truth and taxation agenda item.

1048
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,080
And 11 people came up to this podium during the public comments.

1049
01:19:50,860 --> 01:19:55,140
In 17 times, people in this community wanted to give this council feedback.

1050
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,960
A mayor likes to quote others, so here are some of his quotes prior to wrapping up that meat.

1051
01:20:01,330 --> 01:20:10,250
You know, it always amazes me when the cameras are around, show that gets portrayed by the same 12 people who come up here every single meeting.

1052
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:15,250
That is what Channel 9 asked me. What do you think about the people who will be coming?

1053
01:20:15,850 --> 01:20:21,310
It's the same people, whether it's pickleball or beaterwood. It's the same people who come up and give us grief.

1054
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:38,290
When someone turns around and says you do not represent Orano, well, maybe it's the 12 people who, who, from Orano, do not like us here, but the people that are out there that are watching the people that I see day and day out over all of Orano say we're doing the right thing.

1055
01:20:38,710 --> 01:20:46,690
We're the champs of budgeting and we are the envy of all the cities around and everyone should tell their cities that they should be more like Orano.

1056
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:48,810
What we do speaks volumes.

1057
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:54,150
I am not convinced that other cities want to be like or not right now.

1058
01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:56,790
I agree that what you do speaks volumes.

1059
01:20:57,330 --> 01:21:00,810
What you say about those who dare to challenge this council,

1060
01:21:01,970 --> 01:21:04,910
during public comics, comments, speaks volumes.

1061
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:07,730
Oh, you behave speaks volumes.

1062
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:11,250
I'm only speaking for myself, but it takes a little bit of courage

1063
01:21:11,250 --> 01:21:13,110
to come up here and address this council.

1064
01:21:13,630 --> 01:21:17,050
I do so sadly knowing that what I say will probably not change.

1065
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:28,830
Standing up here does not come easy to meet, it's not fun, but I do hope that when I choose to step out on my comfort zone that you actually make an attempt to take in the information I'm trying to relay.

1066
01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:33,130
Why would anyone want to come up here and speak if they're jazz-sized for it?

1067
01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:35,730
Do you really think we come here to give you grief?

1068
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:42,330
Well, I can tell you that I for one want to continue to voice my concerns and hope that you'll listen with an open mind.

1069
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:47,550
The Orno Fire Department was a catalyst for me to wake up and pay attention, but the behavior

1070
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:50,150
that I see coming from some council members is disappointing.

1071
01:21:50,910 --> 01:21:57,490
Lecture on Citizens knowingly to find court orders, non-verbal during meetings, disrespecting

1072
01:21:57,490 --> 01:22:00,330
fellow council members does not well with me.

1073
01:22:00,890 --> 01:22:07,950
I want to see healthy debate during a city council members during, before they take a vote.

1074
01:22:07,950 --> 01:22:09,830
and I expect to see some disagreement.

1075
01:22:10,690 --> 01:22:12,830
I try to remain respectful to each other.

1076
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:14,990
From my part, I would like to apologize

1077
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:17,350
for any disrespect I've shown in the past

1078
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:19,030
by leaving City Council meetings

1079
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:20,150
early out of frustration

1080
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:22,990
or clapping in agreement during public comments.

1081
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:24,350
I promise to do better.

1082
01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:26,890
I will continue to come to meetings to listen,

1083
01:22:27,090 --> 01:22:28,470
to learn, and to speak up.

1084
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:30,890
When I cannot attend, I will watch the videos.

1085
01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:33,830
I'll encourage my neighbors to attend City Council meetings,

1086
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:36,190
and lastly, I will vote in November.

1087
01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:40,130
Everybody else from on-off tonight.

1088
01:22:42,670 --> 01:22:43,530
Nobody else from on-off.

1089
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,840
You'd go out of order if you want.

1090
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,140
But but but it's first for on-off resistance. There's no more that want to come up first than

1091
01:22:56,140 --> 01:23:00,740
I'll open it up to do a general public. Everybody else that wants to just come up in general.

1092
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:06,860
Oh, yes.

1093
01:23:22,350 --> 01:23:23,990
First of all, make Valley View Road, Long Lake.

1094
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:29,670
So I was like to bring up just the awesome things that firefighters, Long Lake Fire Department

1095
01:23:29,670 --> 01:23:33,250
is doing the antennaed both cities, holiday tree ladings,

1096
01:23:33,490 --> 01:23:36,850
bringing Santa and participating with the community

1097
01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:38,290
and the community events.

1098
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:43,430
And so I'm just here today to say this holiday season

1099
01:23:44,010 --> 01:23:46,970
as you guys wrap things up tonight and head home

1100
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:49,150
into the coming weeks with lots of family.

1101
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:51,950
I ask that you think long and hard about the men and women

1102
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:55,170
who will be ready to respond all holiday season.

1103
01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:57,670
During Christmas parties on Christmas Eve,

1104
01:23:57,670 --> 01:24:04,090
Christmas day as they spend time with their families. All of you and all of this city will remain a

1105
01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:11,010
priority for them. And if duty calls they will be torn away from their family time to respond and they

1106
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:16,470
will do so as humble servants of this community. Tonight I ask you to consider what lies ahead for

1107
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:21,850
them. To truly spend some time this holiday season when we remember hope, peace, joy, and love.

1108
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:27,270
Remember that they have asked you not to split them up. Remember that everybody does better with

1109
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:33,110
collective effort working together toward common goals. Remember that Long Lake does not want

1110
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:38,050
to work or remember that Long Lake does want to work with you no matter what narrative you tell

1111
01:24:38,050 --> 01:24:44,290
yourself. They do not want the power they want to work together for the betterment of the community

1112
01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:50,030
at large. Long Lake wants to build together with you a joint powers agreement. For those that aren't

1113
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:55,290
familiar with the idea, joint powers agreement or a fire district is a trend among smaller local

1114
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:59,970
government units as it relates to fire service in which local entities come together.

1115
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,300
To pull resources, and the governance of the department is transitioned to a board, compromised in members from each city involved.

1116
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:16,700
This idea could potentially bring ordnals share of a fire service budget from 85% currently down to 49%.

1117
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:23,780
If ordnal, long-lake, Medina, Minitank, a beach, and ways that it came together under a GPA, this is what long-lake hopes to do.

1118
01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:29,280
In fact, a proposal to begin working together under some type of GDP remains on the table,

1119
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:35,380
unanswered by Orno. You could be the answer to what they all hope this season to stay together.

1120
01:25:35,860 --> 01:25:39,700
At a bare minimum, I'm going to the holidays with an open mind and an open heart,

1121
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,560
ready to go on a mediation with the same openness.

1122
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,520
Thank you, anybody else, in the general public.

1123
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:55,190
Kelly Grady, two, seven, one, Greenhill, Leigh, Monique.

1124
01:25:56,050 --> 01:26:01,770
Since I started trying to figure out fire, I received criticism from a few of the members

1125
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:06,710
on council about my participation in this discussion, why do you care? You don't even

1126
01:26:06,710 --> 01:26:11,710
live here. The rhetoric is not only dismissive and ugly, but it is not rooted in the

1127
01:26:11,710 --> 01:26:17,030
truth. You don't live here. While I might not be able to vote in Orano, make no mistake about

1128
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:22,710
it, my family lives our lives in Orano, and the decisions made by this council affect

1129
01:26:22,710 --> 01:26:24,130
our daily life.

1130
01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:25,810
Case in point, why do I care?

1131
01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:29,250
My husband has been a long-lake firefighter for nearly eight years,

1132
01:26:29,670 --> 01:26:33,150
and as such, fire decisions made here affect my family

1133
01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:35,150
more than the majority of your voters.

1134
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:38,030
But these are not the only reasons why I care.

1135
01:26:38,650 --> 01:26:42,510
Two years ago today, my mom found my dad lying on the ground

1136
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:44,490
outside of their home and had to call 911.

1137
01:26:45,210 --> 01:26:46,670
First responders arrived on the scene

1138
01:26:46,670 --> 01:26:48,570
and did everything they could to save his life.

1139
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:53,630
My dad died as a result of sudden cardiac arrest that day.

1140
01:26:54,030 --> 01:26:59,330
So I understand as much as anybody, the need for effective and skilled first responders.

1141
01:27:00,230 --> 01:27:03,730
For nearly a decade, this council has done everything but

1142
01:27:03,730 --> 01:27:08,490
burned down the Long Lake Fire Department with their lack of support in ways

1143
01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:13,930
that I believe have been a long play for control, including the Nile

1144
01:27:13,930 --> 01:27:19,150
of the nearly every capital improvement spend that would increase effectiveness of this

1145
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:24,550
department and set it up for future success. Refusal to negotiate a solution that

1146
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:30,950
didn't result in orinal having majority control. And third, not lastly, all of the

1147
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:37,810
flagrant violations that Judge Miller noted in her order for contempt, using LLFD as a primary

1148
01:27:37,810 --> 01:27:43,210
pool of recruits, intimidation of firefighters, not including long-lake in planning that

1149
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:47,590
would tamper with their ability to serve under the existing contract for the next two years.

1150
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:53,250
And what kills me is that all of this is being done with zero community input.

1151
01:27:53,730 --> 01:27:55,290
This is not effective governing.

1152
01:27:55,730 --> 01:27:57,050
It is beyond irresponsible.

1153
01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:58,250
It is reckless.

1154
01:27:58,750 --> 01:28:03,790
And I know all too well that there is a human cost to playing with fire.

1155
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:09,850
So I am here to remind you, and perhaps inform the citizens, that there is still a proposal

1156
01:28:09,850 --> 01:28:13,270
for a shared services agreement with Long Lake on the table.

1157
01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:16,750
Or, no does not have to go it alone.

1158
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:18,890
Call it a JPA, a shared service agreement,

1159
01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:21,470
a fired service, a fire district, whatever.

1160
01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:25,710
But coming together to share resources and fiscal responsibility

1161
01:28:26,410 --> 01:28:28,490
is the future of fire service nationwide.

1162
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:31,310
This is the community's wake-up call to let them know

1163
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:34,090
that this council is making a deliberate choice

1164
01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:36,490
to isolate themselves from surrounding communities.

1165
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:39,610
Mediation is scheduled for Thursday, January 30,

1166
01:28:39,610 --> 01:28:44,230
and I would encourage Tuesday, January 30th, and I would encourage citizens to write this

1167
01:28:44,230 --> 01:28:49,010
council and ask them to head into that mediation in good faith and with a goal to work towards

1168
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:53,790
the solution that builds on the existing effective, efficient, and excellent public safety and

1169
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:57,390
diddy that we currently have up and not to burn it down.

1170
01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:01,130
Anybody else from the general, I would like

1171
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:12,830
to put your Christmas here, it's a bag of coal,

1172
01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:17,330
if you don't know what that is, it's for, I heard you've been naughty, I don't think it's funny,

1173
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:19,570
I don't think it's funny at all.

1174
01:29:19,810 --> 01:29:23,430
Still Brad Erickson, 21-150 horseshoe trail in Corcoran.

1175
01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:25,230
So I'm down on my lot.

1176
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:28,930
Much like I was the day the person drove up to me

1177
01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:31,590
and told me about Mr. Crosby's involvement

1178
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:34,590
with the J6 thing and the proud boys know that.

1179
01:29:34,610 --> 01:29:35,470
I'll feel no doubt.

1180
01:29:36,570 --> 01:29:39,490
Well, anyway, same thing happens to me.

1181
01:29:39,630 --> 01:29:42,030
I November 14th, but it has to do with you, Mr. Walsh.

1182
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:44,490
And that's why you're getting this bag of coal.

1183
01:29:45,130 --> 01:29:52,230
See, he rolls up and he says, if you heard about the rumor that's going around the high school.

1184
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:54,850
And I said, how in the hell?

1185
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:59,970
And I'm sure I used a different word, but would I hear about a rumor at the high school?

1186
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,440
So he goes on to tell me about this rumor at the high school involving you and a high school kid, girl, right?

1187
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:14,320
Yeah, really unfortunate. So then I find out that there's a video online about it now.

1188
01:30:14,620 --> 01:30:19,880
On YouTube, called is the Oranomear Propositioning A Teenagers.

1189
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:25,740
Here's the problem. Here's the problem. I'm not done. Here's the problem for me. Why?

1190
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:32,400
What's the clock so I can say, I'll give you your time, but is this appropriate? Is there any

1191
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:37,700
spoken about it? I'm spoken with Chief Farney. I can have spoken with an investigating officer today.

1192
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,540
So yes, it is appropriate. Has it do with Orno? Has it do with Orno? Kids? Has it do with me?

1193
01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:47,780
You can be lucky. It's not my god damn daughter. I'll tell you that right now.

1194
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:53,400
So what's going on? You're going to answer these allegations? Are you just going to sit there and shake your head?

1195
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,120
and yell out fake news and false narrative

1196
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,680
and whatever it is that you think, you know,

1197
01:30:58,820 --> 01:31:00,260
we'll get you out of this.

1198
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,100
It's overdue.

1199
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:03,880
What's wrong with you?

1200
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,920
I think it's a drinking problem.

1201
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:09,060
You don't know where the boundaries are.

1202
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,840
You need to tighten up, bro.

1203
01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:13,960
You need to check yourself.

1204
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:15,820
Get your drinking in line.

1205
01:31:16,180 --> 01:31:17,340
Go get some treatment.

1206
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,500
You want to sue me, sue me.

1207
01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:22,400
Let's get this over with.

1208
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:34,340
I am about done, get it, but I will be back here next year to continue until you're gone.

1209
01:31:34,940 --> 01:31:36,220
This is despicable.

1210
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:39,760
I don't know, how could you even make this up?

1211
01:31:40,140 --> 01:31:41,600
Somebody drove onto my lot.

1212
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:46,280
I was pressure washing equipment to tell me this.

1213
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:47,460
What's up?

1214
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,580
Somebody needs to sort this out.

1215
01:31:52,180 --> 01:32:03,700
somebody with some power, privilege, and authority, okay, because I know who it is, and I know who you are, and I believe her.

1216
01:32:06,180 --> 01:32:10,960
Anybody else would like to come up tonight? Can we get the coal on it here?

1217
01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:17,400
Brad would you mind grabbing your coal? You can have it, thanks.

1218
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:30,080
8-Jurvangon, don't lag, 386, rest point road, lost few seconds, but you can't.

1219
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,120
And that might be a little wound up.

1220
01:32:33,620 --> 01:32:35,740
But I really hate to tell you all.

1221
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:36,840
Perhaps on dishonor.

1222
01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:39,780
You'll all read here.

1223
01:32:42,750 --> 01:32:45,150
It is survivor, sexual abuse.

1224
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:53,590
I don't remember.

1225
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:55,550
You're one of those strangers.

1226
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:59,010
You're people from the school of Orno.

1227
01:33:01,570 --> 01:33:04,830
It's not happening in our community.

1228
01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:08,290
It changed my life,

1229
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:11,780
none of you could

1230
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:16,110
have.

1231
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:17,830
And that's what we're dealing with here.

1232
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:20,150
I'm not saying anything's true.

1233
01:33:20,810 --> 01:33:22,010
I report it out.

1234
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:25,610
I've challenged Mr. Walsh.

1235
01:33:25,810 --> 01:33:27,270
You go to Mr. Wilcoe.

1236
01:33:27,530 --> 01:33:31,050
And simply take a detective test and prove his innocence.

1237
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:34,050
The challenge is still out there.

1238
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:36,150
But if this is true,

1239
01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:44,630
There's a victim in the community, and it's interesting because, you know, years ago, my daughter

1240
01:33:44,630 --> 01:33:50,930
and you, and she had friends over, I challenged her friends, and I talked to them, not just

1241
01:33:50,930 --> 01:33:54,790
about drugs in our community, but about abuse, and what I had been through.

1242
01:33:54,990 --> 01:34:01,710
You know what I found out later, because I had, right, to speak about my abuse, there was a

1243
01:34:01,710 --> 01:34:09,970
of you who found her own strength to stand up and seek, and to help herself. And I found

1244
01:34:09,970 --> 01:34:16,050
that out later, and that's why I'm weak of that. Not because of me, but because of what

1245
01:34:16,050 --> 01:34:22,150
I can do to help others. And that is why I'm here today. And I'm not specifically accusing

1246
01:34:22,150 --> 01:34:28,110
Mr. Walsh of it. I've heard there are things out here. I would never have used anybody

1247
01:34:29,890 --> 01:34:38,130
because I know what it can do when you do, but the allegations are out there, and they need

1248
01:34:38,130 --> 01:34:43,970
to be addressed, and these kinds of allegations need to be addressed by our community.

1249
01:34:45,530 --> 01:34:46,690
It really do.

1250
01:34:47,150 --> 01:34:51,070
From what I understand, there's been a report made to the police department and the police

1251
01:34:51,070 --> 01:34:51,790
have waffles.

1252
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:54,550
Well, we don't know.

1253
01:34:54,570 --> 01:34:55,310
We have jurisdiction.

1254
01:34:55,570 --> 01:34:56,090
We have this.

1255
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:59,350
You know what? Everybody waffle, but now there was a kid.

1256
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,520
And look what happened to me.

1257
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:15,380
It's time to stand up, investigate, look, is it true or not, and move on?

1258
01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:20,720
Find the truth. This up to our enforcement, people, to do that.

1259
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:23,060
Thank you.

1260
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:27,280
Remember to also like to come up for more news or not for more news.

1261
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:39,700
We've been retired pediatrician and I live on four, seven, five different right.

1262
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:47,480
I have zero opinion about anybody in this room and their attributions that have been made this evening.

1263
01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:54,740
But I will say that practicing pediatrics for a long time.

1264
01:35:54,740 --> 01:36:06,820
I had innumerable children that were assaulting and pedophilia and rape are routinely dismissed

1265
01:36:06,820 --> 01:36:08,080
as nothing.

1266
01:36:09,140 --> 01:36:11,840
I had a two-year-old raped by her, that father.

1267
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:21,300
I had just before I retired, I had a young woman with a morbid obesity who came into

1268
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:28,200
of this and my partner when the results of a test came back pre-tiger gone over the next day.

1269
01:36:29,260 --> 01:36:31,000
This is a common thing.

1270
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:38,720
Another thing is, my nephew was the Jacob letter when he was kidnapped right.

1271
01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:47,290
And I just want to say, it has to be taken seriously.

1272
01:36:47,770 --> 01:36:52,770
I am not saying anything about Mayor Walsh or anybody else in this room.

1273
01:36:52,770 --> 01:37:00,770
But it's a real thing, it is usually somebody, you know, in the case of Jacob, it was stranger.

1274
01:37:01,630 --> 01:37:11,350
But the most common scenario is a family member, a friend, a uncle, a brother, a parent.

1275
01:37:13,050 --> 01:37:14,590
And it's not just our community.

1276
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:23,630
People are talking about, like, it is only here, it is not only here, it afflix virtually

1277
01:37:23,630 --> 01:37:30,170
every community, not just in the U.S., my husband grew up in another country, happened

1278
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:36,610
there, it's a common problem and what are the biggest problems we have is people turn away

1279
01:37:36,610 --> 01:37:44,570
from it, they don't want to think about it because it is ugly, but you can't fix the

1280
01:37:44,570 --> 01:37:51,560
problem that you can't name anybody else from the general public that will like to come up to

1281
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:53,420
Nate.

1282
01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:53,860
Okay.

1283
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:57,300
We'll close public comments and I'll bring you back to the Mayor Council reports.

1284
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,220
Before we get started I will just tell you it is absolutely alive.

1285
01:38:02,060 --> 01:38:05,420
You know, one person saying he knows who it is and another person saying that's a rumor

1286
01:38:05,420 --> 01:38:10,500
and he's the one who has the video proclaiming that there's rumors out there.

1287
01:38:10,980 --> 01:38:13,400
So that's what you're dealing with here.

1288
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,360
They've been trying for years

1289
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,020
So now we're gonna go to America

1290
01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:28,300
We're going to sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, you're out of order, sit down

1291
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:33,200
You can't use whatever happened to you to try and attack somebody else

1292
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:40,440
Sit down, that is ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, no, sit down

1293
01:38:40,440 --> 01:38:50,120
You should don't sit down and down and read other people in your report. You want to do that you like everybody else come here take your three minutes

1294
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:55,100
The call home in your report is the sit down sit down sit down

1295
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:58,160
Do you have nothing to say that I want to hear no sit down

1296
01:38:59,660 --> 01:39:00,040
Okay

1297
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,020
Okay.

1298
01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:11,850
Sit down.

1299
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:18,070
I have a definition.

1300
01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:20,450
That's what she did it.

1301
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:22,670
And it's on tape.

1302
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,580
Can you talk about sitting business up there.

1303
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:29,340
You do not.

1304
01:39:33,170 --> 01:39:35,610
You're done.

1305
01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:37,970
Only if you leave people alone.

1306
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:40,980
You talk about sitting business.

1307
01:39:40,980 --> 01:39:41,680
You can't remember.

1308
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:49,960
Well, we obviously hit an issue that's touched a lot of people in this community, you know, here, but I,

1309
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:59,420
and so role as, like, officials, we play in that awareness, but whatever we can do, maybe there's something to talk about.

1310
01:39:59,780 --> 01:39:59,980
I think...

1311
01:40:02,510 --> 01:40:10,750
Actions, you know, that are directed at the mayor. I mean, it was tasteless. And it doesn't take away from

1312
01:40:10,750 --> 01:40:29,710
Jesus horrible experience and, you know, many of us are parents. And the idea, you know, any child being harmed, you know, that hurts. And it lingers clearly. And so I'm sorry for the people that have had that experience. But at the same time,

1313
01:40:29,710 --> 01:40:35,690
You know, these accusations coming and, and, and, and attacking the mayor and, you know,

1314
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:42,030
a brat, you've been doing a good job just bringing your information and, and, so it was a

1315
01:40:42,030 --> 01:40:43,430
little disappointing turn today.

1316
01:40:45,310 --> 01:40:57,140
Um, and so the, uh, I think, I think, I think a big part of what we do on the council is, you

1317
01:40:57,140 --> 01:41:01,860
you know, is we respond to what's being said.

1318
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,140
And so another note, I'm glad a piece of the,

1319
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:10,120
you know, fire department is behind us tonight.

1320
01:41:10,420 --> 01:41:14,340
I think that none of our concerns about, you know,

1321
01:41:14,420 --> 01:41:17,280
the budgeting had anything to do with the performance

1322
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,160
of the firefighters, so I want to make that clear.

1323
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,060
It's about, you know, being financially responsible

1324
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:25,780
and making the right decisions for the city,

1325
01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:29,880
So, but, at the same time, I think in that budget behind us, even though I wasn't quite

1326
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:34,620
ready, due to the lack of information on the duty crews, I think that's a good piece

1327
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:40,780
to have behind us and look forward to moving on on that.

1328
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,380
So, that's all I am.

1329
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:44,420
It goes to my friends.

1330
01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:47,770
Thank you, Mayor.

1331
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:57,340
I do just want to say it's very hard to listen to these statements tonight.

1332
01:41:57,340 --> 01:42:04,800
And I know coming from a helping profession professionally as well in mental health, how incredibly hard.

1333
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,480
These issues are to cope with as adults, so I applied

1334
01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:14,550
all those who are able and willing to speak out about that.

1335
01:42:16,820 --> 01:42:23,900
And I was going to refrain from making some other remarks here in light of these recent developments.

1336
01:42:23,900 --> 01:42:27,620
It's just incredibly difficult to emotionally shift like that.

1337
01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:35,300
But as somebody who values tackling issues regarding city business and a timely manner,

1338
01:42:35,300 --> 01:42:39,400
I do feel the need to proceed with my remarks for the night.

1339
01:42:39,420 --> 01:42:40,980
It is related to city business.

1340
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:49,640
And I do want to say that I did speak with our city administrator about the topic I plan

1341
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:55,620
to discuss tonight to ensure that my comments would not be in any violation of the rules

1342
01:42:55,620 --> 01:43:01,620
that govern our closed sessions and after discussing with our attorney, our city administrator

1343
01:43:01,620 --> 01:43:06,540
assured me that they would not. So I do want to discuss something that happened at our

1344
01:43:06,540 --> 01:43:14,620
December 4th closed session, a member of City Council, a fellow member raised an issue of concern

1345
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:21,500
regarding the use of technology by council members of the day as during regular council meetings.

1346
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:27,800
And because this issue was not related to the legal strategy, we were discussing that night,

1347
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:34,220
I am legally able to openly discuss this, so I'm going to do this in an effort to help resolve

1348
01:43:34,220 --> 01:43:37,100
this going forward in the future in the new year.

1349
01:43:37,620 --> 01:43:41,540
During the meeting, the council member explained their concerns that other council members

1350
01:43:41,540 --> 01:43:47,080
may be texting or otherwise communicating with members of the public during meetings.

1351
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:54,760
The issue at hand was whether or not sending or receiving electronic communications during meetings

1352
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,600
as a possible violation of open meeting law.

1353
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:02,520
And because the meeting was focused on litigation, the issue was not discussed at length.

1354
01:44:03,340 --> 01:44:09,180
So for the record, if a fellow member of Council has concerns about possible open meeting

1355
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:12,180
law violations, I share those concerns.

1356
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:18,640
And to that end, I discuss the matter with our city administrator and also with the League of Minnesota Cities.

1357
01:44:19,700 --> 01:44:24,420
There are no formal policies that exist governing the use of cell phones of the days,

1358
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:32,840
and the League of Minnesota Cities attorney recommended that the matter be discussed as a council under the advisement of our city attorney.

1359
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:39,680
So since this issue is raised, I'd like to propose that it be addressed by this council in the new year.

1360
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:44,780
a work session could possibly be dedicated to the topic of open meeting law and the use of

1361
01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:50,780
technology and meetings. This would be an opportunity to discuss as a body, what policies

1362
01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:56,980
or procedures we might implement going forward. I do fully support any measures that can

1363
01:44:56,980 --> 01:44:59,980
be taken to comply with open meeting law at all.

1364
01:45:00,700 --> 01:45:10,680
And it's my belief that if a member of council has concerns about the use of cell phones and council meetings, the public may as well, and it's something that requires further discussion.

1365
01:45:12,440 --> 01:45:23,220
So apart from this, I do want to say that this past year of service on the Orno City Council has been both challenging and also tremendously gratifying.

1366
01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:33,120
I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to learn and grow in this role of Council member and it is one for which I have the utmost respect.

1367
01:45:34,220 --> 01:45:42,250
I look forward to reconvening in the new year and send best wishes for a safe and happy holiday season tall.

1368
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,270
That's all I have thank you.

1369
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:46,040
Council member Grasby.

1370
01:45:48,020 --> 01:45:53,060
I would just like to wish everybody Merry Christmas and happy holidays over the next couple

1371
01:45:53,940 --> 01:45:54,420
weeks.

1372
01:45:54,940 --> 01:45:59,700
Be good to each other and enjoy your time and have a wonderful time with your family.

1373
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:03,080
Because we're rich.

1374
01:46:06,150 --> 01:46:11,110
I want to acknowledge a lot of pain in this room and Brad, I did not mean to offend you.

1375
01:46:11,550 --> 01:46:12,710
And I'm sorry if I did.

1376
01:46:13,390 --> 01:46:19,150
I just think that one thing that I've been in any communication that I've come across is

1377
01:46:19,150 --> 01:46:26,250
how you facilitate change and I believe accountability to oneself is the first step and sometimes

1378
01:46:26,250 --> 01:46:35,990
by in time for that is the only okay so again I just wanted to buy time to let cooler

1379
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:40,290
heads prevail because sometimes that's what we all need and we need someone to help us do that

1380
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:48,950
I understand I just wanted to say that as far as well as far as the meetings go and

1381
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:57,810
communication, I have continued to try to build relationships. It takes a while. I'm really proud

1382
01:46:57,810 --> 01:47:03,990
of the budget being passed tonight because I'm sorry, it's really distracting. But I thought

1383
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:09,170
it was very impressive of the budget being passed and it's a step in the right direction,

1384
01:47:09,450 --> 01:47:15,610
and I think that's something that maybe is small when, but I think it is a step on what accountability

1385
01:47:15,610 --> 01:47:21,310
to one's self, what trying to do what you can control makes a difference. So I want to acknowledge

1386
01:47:21,310 --> 01:47:27,910
the pain in the hurt, encourage people to, when it's too hard to try to control everything else,

1387
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:33,170
so we can do as control ourselves and coming together can be the healing solution that we need.

1388
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:38,550
And hopefully this holiday season, everyone has time to reflect, maybe have a little break,

1389
01:47:38,710 --> 01:47:44,250
a breather from all of this. And I hope we start the new year fresh.

1390
01:47:45,610 --> 01:47:46,490
Thank you.

1391
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:53,520
Well, first I want to thank Ron for getting to all of his fabulous service for the city and

1392
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,440
all the council members have been up here and all the other council that you've advised

1393
01:47:56,440 --> 01:47:57,760
and everything else though.

1394
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,120
Thank you again for that.

1395
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:04,760
We had a great successful tree lighting again, the fourth annual at the Horn of Golf Course,

1396
01:48:04,860 --> 01:48:09,960
we had four or 500 people I know that Horn of Lyons that they went through 400 Brots and

1397
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:15,460
Hot Dogs and I don't know how many jugs of hot chocolate that you had to go get and bring

1398
01:48:15,460 --> 01:48:20,800
over and over and over and over is that it was not too bad. Last year was really cold. This wasn't too bad.

1399
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:21,780
And the lighting.

1400
01:48:21,780 --> 01:48:22,260
I don't know.

1401
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:28,220
The lighting show is absolutely fabulous. So I think we've created a wonderful community opportunity

1402
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,460
to get together all the time as our fourth annual.

1403
01:48:32,020 --> 01:48:36,200
I wish that Vic was here, but I'll throw my head off to her because she helped kind of come up with the idea.

1404
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:41,020
Many, many years ago, and we kind of want to repeat it behind her as we needed to community event.

1405
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:42,860
That was once that told Rope.

1406
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:46,340
I think we all needed it at this year.

1407
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,140
I want to talk a little bit about it right here.

1408
01:48:48,140 --> 01:48:49,060
This flooding hill?

1409
01:48:50,540 --> 01:48:50,580
Yes.

1410
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,260
We needed snow, though, this year.

1411
01:48:53,780 --> 01:48:54,040
Yes.

1412
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:55,460
Got it.

1413
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:59,940
We do have coffee at the mayor again on Wednesday and we talked about that just from a community

1414
01:48:59,940 --> 01:49:04,780
engagement even at our work session this afternoon, that's at 9 a.m.

1415
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:05,820
Coffee and Donuts.

1416
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:08,520
The coffee's always warm and the doughnuts are always good.

1417
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,780
Conversation is always good as well, so it's always a good time.

1418
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:14,280
I want to make sure everybody has a mayor Christmas.

1419
01:49:14,620 --> 01:49:19,920
I have a Pat Bihannaka, lots of Jewish friends, which just started to think Hannaka started

1420
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:25,780
back in Thursday and it goes to the 15th, so the right right in the middle of that right

1421
01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:31,560
now have a fabulous new year for 20 and I'm looking forward to a fabulous 24, I've got

1422
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:38,860
three great quotes that are along that theme, first one is a Christmas from Bob Hope, and

1423
01:49:38,860 --> 01:49:44,260
This is my idea of Christmas, whether old fashion or modern is very simple, loving others.

1424
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:45,380
Come to think of it.

1425
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,320
Why do we have to wait for Christmas to do that?

1426
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:53,720
Second one is related to Hanukkah, by Albert Einstein, says they are only two ways to live

1427
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:54,480
your life.

1428
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:59,860
One is as though nothing is a miracle, the other is as though everything is a miracle.

1429
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,640
The last one is about New Year's and Resolutions by Abraham Lincoln.

1430
01:50:05,480 --> 01:50:09,880
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other.

1431
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:11,980
Motion to adjourn.

1432
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:12,660
So moved.

1433
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:13,960
On favor say aye.

1434
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:14,460
Aye.

1435
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:15,300
Aye.