[0:03] Hello all. This is the uh August 24th
meeting of the internal finance
[0:11] committee.
Have
[0:15] all committee members here along with or
Sarah and Andrea along with um Clint and
[0:24] Zach and Scott.
>> Scott.
[0:26] » This is Scott if you don't mind. Yes,
he's the head of facilities.
[0:30] » Oh, perfect. All right.
>> And we'd like to have just a quick
[0:32] connect with you guys on something
that's starting to transpire. And I'm
[0:35] like, this is a great place for a
committee to hear it.
[0:37] » Okay.
>> Because there's no action, no decision
[0:39] really needed yet,
>> but we got the beginnings of a problem.
[0:43] Um,
>> nothing major. How long has the elevator
[0:47] been out of service in the town office?
>> Oh, yeah.
[0:50] » Five months.
>> Yes. So,
[0:52] » we've been struggling with repairs and
what they're figuring out. And the half
[0:55] the short of it is is they're still
checking the board.
[0:59] » They are they're ordering a board and
they're going to try that. Uh if that
[1:03] does not work then it will need be
replaced.
[1:10] » Oh
will be fine.
[1:12] » But my whole computer system will need
to be replaced.
[1:15] » And what's the cost of that?
>> Uh approximately.
[1:19] » Yeah. Over over 100,000.
>> Yeah.
[1:21] » Very expensive. So, this is why we're
kind of headsing you guys up because per
[1:25] our policy, it's unbudgeted and even if
it were budgeted,
[1:28] » yeah,
>> it's over 100,000,
[1:30] » but we have a maintenance agreement with
TKE and I think what we're I don't think
[1:34] we're proposing that we would go with
just them. I think that's significant of
[1:38] a project. We should get at least
>> Yeah.
[1:41] » But again, I don't know if you want to
go the full competitive bid process. It
[1:44] is right at the 100,000. I think what we
were referring to do is to come to the
[1:49] » how many companies can be produced.
[1:55] » So yeah,
>> so we bring it to the if it gets to
[1:58] there we put a summary up for the
council to approve an RFP. Okay. To
[2:02] follow the policy that way.
>> Yeah. I mean
[2:05] » well that would be what we would do if
it weren't enough to have the full
[2:08] procedure. We would have just
>> hopefully hoping for at least three
[2:12] quotes.
>> Yeah. NTK of course would be in there.
[2:16] » They've already stated an interest
because they have our agreement with
[2:19] that's part of the deal. They will give
us a quote. Okay. So, okay.
[2:24] » Elevators are so expensive.
>> Well, it's only we were talking 31 years
[2:28] old.
>> How long do elevators usually last? I
[2:31] have no idea.
>> I mean, yeah. I don't
[2:34] » I don't know. I think the modern boards
become more
[2:38] and I think that part of when we did
this is to make sure that we get
[2:40] something that is more maintainable in
the sense that maybe this one was more
[2:45] of a unique system and it was you know
less the parts weren't being sustained
[2:49] or maybe there's a company what we got
to figure out what happened and why
[2:52] there's nothing because I just I'm
surprised a 30year-old board can't even
[2:57] just be a plugandplay replacement. So um
[clears throat]
[3:01] in the meantime what are people doing
from an aa compliance standoint? How
[3:06] » are they managing ballots?
>> So what we've done u like for elections
[3:12] was we set up temporary
>> uh uh parking on the ramp on the fire
[3:18] ramp. Um
>> temporary what?
[3:20] » Temporary parking. um they set up a
handicap. Uh
[3:24] » we don't have an election though till
next summer.
[3:26] » But I don't even chiefs usually park
along the side of the station ramp.
[3:32] » Come in the safety so they could come in
the front door.
[3:35] » I was going to say is there a way to
park? That was my next question. Is
[3:37] there a way to park closer and have some
kind of access here?
[3:40] » Yeah.
>> We're not doing that the dayto-day. The
[3:42] dayto-day the ground levels ADA
accessible if anybody has to come
[3:45] upstairs. We've been working with the
the using the back the main street
[3:50] entrance.
>> And so by law, what we're required to
[3:53] provide is handicapped access to both
levels and moving between levels for all
[3:59] of the public or just to both levels
like if we permanently built a ramp in a
[4:03] parking situation, does that mean the
criteria or does it for our employees?
[4:08] Are we required to have the elevator?
fill me in on the
[4:10] » under a new construction, you just need
to have accessibility on each level
[4:15] » and we have that, but the elevator is
good to have between the floors because
[4:18] you're multi- floor building.
>> But $100,000 cost also a lot of money.
[4:21] » I mean, good to have. And
>> I don't think they can both want to. I
[4:25] think you would have to sustain what you
designed to say once it's there.
[4:28] » Once it's there, you have to
>> because the state fire marshall permit
[4:32] included the elevator.
>> Obviously, I just want to clarify. I
[4:34] would want everyone to be able to access
all floors. But if we had a way that you
[4:38] could access the top floor and the
bottom floor and there were restrooms
[4:41] available on both floors there are
>> then I mean that would mean everyone in
[4:45] the public could get everywhere they
needed to get.
[4:48] » We're at a
better than average compliance but it's
[4:52] not where we
>> So yeah if you're any questions for
[4:55] Scott or I and if not he can move on so
he doesn't have to sit through our full
[4:59] hourong committee meeting.
>> Good. I mean, it sounds like
[5:03] » so as soon as he knows, he'll let me
know and we're going to lean towards
[5:06] just going with the board. The board
could be more money and it's going to
[5:09] really put a strain on the facility's
budget as a whole.
[5:11] » Yeah.
>> But we will it'll be definitely cheaper
[5:14] than a
>> They were here last Monday. Um they
[5:18] asked Amanda to pass on a message that
they were going to forward a board and
[5:24] try that first.
>> Okay.
[5:26] » But if that works, we're fine. And then
what will come to council then is going
[5:33] to be what we just talked about the
proposal that we
[5:36] » it doesn't work then we go forward with
the
[5:39] » procedure as we have written it but
>> okay it's good to hope you don't mind us
[5:42] doing it here but we
>> policies and timing and I'm like let's
[5:47] let them know that this
>> something where we don't want to
[5:49] surprise you if we don't have to
>> appreciate it all right thank you
[5:55] » thanks
>> Scott
[5:57] » good thank Thank you so much.
[6:04] » All right,
financials.
[6:08] Zach, what do you have for us?
>> Um, so I don't know how much detail we
[6:12] want to get into. So on a quick glance
of the June to June summary, there are
[6:17] some overages. I've been working with
Clint on. Um, we're going to come back
[6:21] with some transfers to cover those. Um,
I think after going through it, we've
[6:26] got the vast majority of them covered.
to anything significantly painfully over
[6:31] um what bringing transfers over for
council approval. So that'll probably be
[6:36] um somewhere in September, I'm guessing,
Flint, if we're if that sounds good to
[6:41] you. Um and then if you look at the
detailed quarterly ones, um to be
[6:46] perfectly blunt, it's a little bit of a
mess. There's some cleanup things needs
[6:49] to happen, but this might be a good
chance to mention we're a wee bit short
[6:53] staffed in the finance department at the
moment. refer to.
[6:57] » Um I'm the only one there at the moment.
We got some interviews this week. Um so
[7:00] hopeful to get some people coming in in
the next few weeks depending on how
[7:04] interviews go.
>> Um so I'm working on cleaning up some of
[7:07] that as I can while prepping for the
auditors in the middle of next month. Is
[7:12] that when they're going to be here?
>> Yes. Um audit starts September 14th. So
[7:16] I am doing everything in my power to
make sure we are as prepped as we can be
[7:20] with the manpower we have.
I don't think we're in terrible shape.
[7:25] It's just it needs some clean up and
trying to keep things daytoday moving
[7:28] and shifting back and forth between the
two is certainly making the days go by
[7:32] much quicker than I'd like. Um but it's
anything worth panicking.
[7:36] » And we're using a retired person that
has municipal county experience taking
[7:40] some project work
>> just to try to keep things moving on the
[7:43] audit.
[7:46] » Yeah. I mean I
everything looks close to where I would
[7:52] think it would be for year end. I mean
yeah there's some deviations but nothing
[7:56] material jumped out at me. The biggest
ones I saw was in the uh planning um
[8:03] category but with wages and overages and
that's I'm assuming due to the uh
[8:10] » yeah lack of uh lack of planning person.
something. [clears throat]
[8:15] » Yeah.
>> Y
[8:18] » Well, actually, it was also too because
if you look Yeah. There was
[8:21] » we went to we went to a paid position
from contracted our contracted lines
[8:26] were significantly under.
>> So, that's kind of where that
[8:29] » Yeah. And we plan to use some TIFF funds
to cover some of that overage, too.
[8:33] » We haven't done that correction just
yet. So,
[8:36] » which form are you looking at right now?
Suspense ones. I'm trying to look.
[8:41] » Yeah. Yeah. This is the failed 17.
>> Yeah. since 16 ended up going over.
[8:46] There are some legal expenses there.
>> Wait, just which of the four files is
[8:49] what I'm trying Are we in quarter four
or are we in the year one?
[8:51] » Yearong expenses page. Quarter four
expenses.
[8:55] » I don't did that come in a separate
email because I have it printed but I
[8:58] was just trying to find it.
>> Uh [clears throat] it's just linked in
[9:00] the agenda.
>> How do I email that as well?
[9:03] » I'll go into the agenda that way then
because what I'm looking at on my email
[9:06] isn't showing me paper.
>> Yeah.
[9:08] » Thanks. I just want to see.
So the planning I know I remember what
[9:14] are the ones where you had to move
though or have a plan for where
[9:17] financing was going to move.
>> Um kind of so one of them is a little
[9:20] funky is public works ended up going
over but facilities is really part of
[9:24] public works. Um so kind of between the
two there's enough because public works
[9:29] they're separate departments on paper
but really they're pretty we consider
[9:32] pretty much the same department. So
we'll come forward with the transfer on
[9:35] that. Um the fire department ended up
going over but the plan was to draw on
[9:38] the safer wage reserve anyway. Yeah. Um,
so I just need to adjust that expense to
[9:43] use that reserve fund. And then, um,
capital looks a little funky at the
[9:48] moment just because we reallocated
funds. There's stuff in reserves that
[9:51] needs to be corrected. So, essentially
what happened is purchases happen before
[9:55] budget adjustments happen, right?
>> Things just need to be cleaned up a
[9:58] little bit there.
>> Yeah.
[9:59] » Okay.
>> Any other thoughts, questions?
[10:05] Do we have some c good candidates that
hopefully will start really to help you?
[10:10] » Um, I'm hoping so. We've got a second
interview with a really good candidate
[10:14] later on this week. Um, I would assume
probably they'll have a twoe notice
[10:18] period if we do go forward with them. So
hopefully within the next two to three
[10:21] weeks, we'll have a staff accountant on
the ground learning and everything and
[10:25] they have some municipal experience. So
we won't be building from the ground up,
[10:28] which will be nice. Uh,
>> so that'll be a good
[10:32] » And since we're still in it, you know,
that's probably about as much of an
[10:35] update.
>> Yeah.
[10:36] » As we'll give at this point.
>> Sure.
[10:38] » Can you say a little bit about the town
manager line? That's the other one I
[10:41] noticed was a Mitch thing. We talked
about it during the budget process and a
[10:44] council meeting. Um, when Mitch was put
into the department, he was underfunded
[10:50] in municipal when we reallocated him
from the other. So, there was an
[10:52] unanticipated shortfall.
>> Yeah.
[10:55] » Just the way it was budgeted. you did
not have 100% of a total salary. So we
[10:59] will the balance against the town
manager line
[11:02] » and so we were expecting that
>> we were
[11:04] » and there is a plan for that or
>> we're on budget as a whole it didn't
[11:09] » just one line yeah
>> okay thank you
[11:11] » yeah for charter we're on a departmental
level issue the manager can handle
[11:15] anything within the department anything
outside of the departments right
[11:18] » I keep you apprised of the interdep
departmental moves
[11:21] » um through Zach but the uh the
department department transfers we have
[11:25] to come back and get a vote on that one
doesn't need it
[11:27] » I think sometimes what can be confusing
and I think like especially for new
[11:31] counselors coming on is what actually
counts as a department right because
[11:34] when you look at this print out that
isn't necessarily clear right so finance
[11:40] IT town council town manager
>> department
[11:45] » right I know but and um and
administration or no what what counts as
[11:51] what is the department type of all of
that together is that
[11:55] » government so everything including shel
and the clerks down stairs are all part
[12:00] of general government and that's where
the actual departmental level lies.
[12:04] » That's how we present the budget.
Divisions, we show it as a general
[12:07] government budget.
>> But I think it's just good like practice
[12:09] for us to keep reiterating where the
department level lies because it can be
[12:13] very confusing to the public and I think
also hard when you come on as a new
[12:16] counselor, you know, you're going to
have at least one. So
[12:19] » yeah.
>> Okay. Um the only other thing with this
[12:23] is it did come up. You're seeing this
tonight. the same night that's also on
[12:26] the council to be approved. I didn't
know if you wanted those staggered in
[12:30] the future. I did not switch it. We
agreed with each other. We would leave
[12:32] it. But are you okay? You know, it's
kind of your call if you want to see it
[12:36] staggered or not.
>> I would love it if we actually didn't
[12:39] see them on the same day that they go to
the full council because if there ever
[12:42] were anything complicated that you guys
don't already have all the answers to,
[12:47] » it gives you guys a trial run for like
here's the kind of questions people have
[12:51] on this subset of council. But if that
means that it's important for I mean I
[12:56] won't be here but I don't know if it
matters to these two whether we meet
[12:59] before the first council meeting of the
month or the second but I know it never
[13:02] mattered to me which meeting I was
before
[13:05] » I mean then they just get pushed out to
the following month
[13:09] » month or we meet the first council
meeting instead of the second so it can
[13:12] get to council on the second one
whichever but I think it would be
[13:15] smarter personally not to do them in the
same it sort of implies that there won't
[13:18] be any issues that need to be addressed
and if there are it doesn't give any
[13:21] time to address them Okay. Okay. Some
for me, but
[13:24] » So, we'll do that going forward. Okay.
For tonight.
[13:27] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[13:29] » Um, related to finances, I'm going to
revisit uh something I've talked about
[13:34] before. Um but I think now in light of
some of the um
[13:43] movements in the general fund that
necessitated our previous discussions I
[13:47] mean is there any way for us to get I
understand towns don't have a true
[13:52] balance sheet but to get at least fund
balances on a quarterly basis so we can
[13:57] compare them to prior year.
>> Um I don't want to say it's impossible.
[14:02] Um, so one of our goals, so kind to talk
a little bit about our goals coming up.
[14:06] I don't want to let the cat out of the
bag too early. Um, so one of our goals
[14:09] for the department once we get fully
staffed and everything is to really kind
[14:12] of rebuild some to essentially build
some more tools to have some better cash
[14:16] management, cash flow, and financial
planning. And that was one of the ones
[14:20] that I definitely wanted to have a
better tool for us building for that and
[14:23] the reserve balances and everything
because the ongoing project that's a
[14:27] little confusing and a little money. Uh,
so that fund balance is a little
[14:30] trickier and I need to get a better
handle kind of how the auditors
[14:33] calculate it just because I want
whatever number I'm producing to match
[14:36] the number they're producing.
>> Exactly.
[14:38] » Um, so as we get further along, get
staffed up and get kind of back on our
[14:42] feet. That is on my goals list is to
work with the auditors to get a really
[14:45] good handle on how they calculate
assigned and unassigned fund balance and
[14:49] hopefully build my goal would be to just
kind of build a spreadsheet calculator
[14:53] we could just dump the data into and it
would give us a number
[14:56] » and that's fine. So, I just did it.
Again, I think it's important to know
[15:02] where we are from a balance sheet
perspective. Um, and then
[15:07] it sounds like it's on your radar and
something that we can see in the
[15:14] » mid midterm future. Non-distant midterm
future.
[15:19] » Okay.
>> Yeah. And I would say the biggest
[15:21] comparison is that a small town is
somewhat sometimes can be quite a bit
[15:24] easier. Yeah. Mhm.
>> because it's a much more simplistic
[15:26] accounting structure.
>> Same premise but simpler simpler and
[15:30] smaller numbers.
>> Orno gets into the size where we're just
[15:33] we're pushing what a big community would
do for our financial accounting whether
[15:36] reserves, capital planning, capital uses
of funds, which is great. We're really
[15:41] doing well. Makes a little bit harder,
more timeconuming to do those
[15:44] projections. So should we simplify our
accounting then? H
[15:48] » I don't know if we want to go there yet.
I think we like where we're at. I think
[15:51] the auditors like where we're at and I
think we should just kind of uh
[15:55] » yeah, we'll keep you posted. But yeah,
as long as it's a midterm goal, um I
[15:59] think it's been on my goal since the day
I started to go to and get to that
[16:02] level. So we can do that better. Um and
again, I think what you'll find is once
[16:06] we get to the quarterly, it'll be easier
to just say, oh, quickly monthtomonth,
[16:10] we're roughly here. We're roughly
>> and that's that's fine. Just something
[16:14] to look at, keep [clears throat] track
of where we are. And then if there are
[16:18] any substantial deviations,
>> we'll at least have a track record of of
[16:22] looking at that.
>> Y sounds good.
[16:25] » All right. Anything else financial
related?
[16:29] » I think that covers everything from if
there's any questions, I'm happy to take
[16:32] them.
>> Good. All right. Uh committee charge. I
[16:37] know we're supposed to review and
suggest changes. Um I read it. I think
[16:43] it still addresses what we're doing.
>> Okay.
[16:50] » Um, so what is the
do these just then go to council meeting
[16:55] and say
>> so the only
[16:58] » Yeah. The only thing that has to go with
these you have to have a report. So
[17:00] yeah, that's it.
>> We don't have a report. That's only for
[17:04] committees that aren't council
committees because we make verbal
[17:06] reports all the time back to council.
>> Oh, so you didn't want to update all the
[17:09] chart the tasks.
>> Oh, we need to look at the had a report.
[17:13] I thought you meant
>> no the committee charge is fine. You can
[17:15] come back and say no change if there was
a change to
[17:18] » look at that.
>> But step four I would say you do it at
[17:20] the same time and saying this is where
the status is of all
[17:24] » and I can do that. Um
>> well now
[17:30] let's say old fire station because that
one will require some discussion. Um
[17:36] paid family medical leave.
>> So I think we're sat there.
[17:40] » I think you reviewed it. We are now
unions have to negotiate. We split it
[17:45] 50/50.
>> Yep.
[17:46] » Um if [clears throat] anybody wants to
negotiate it, they have to bring it
[17:48] forward and all non-UN employees are on
the 50/50 split.
[17:52] » Um we did do a contracted service with a
third party. We're not using the state
[17:56] plan right now. So we're paying 083 at
one.
[18:00] » Yeah.
>> I think the question for the committee
[18:02] is did we do it?
>> Yeah, you did it. Council made it. So we
[18:06] need to let people know it was done. I
would note that in terms of filling out
[18:09] the forms,
I mean, if you know what PFML means at
[18:14] the top of the title of this attachment,
you would know what this form was about.
[18:17] But otherwise, the form itself doesn't
actually tell us. It just says 6ix9ine
[18:22] 20225. It was referred. It says review
proposal and make a recommendation, but
[18:26] it doesn't give a topic. So, I do think
it would be helpful if we jotted down on
[18:30] these things like paid family medical
leave. Um because otherwise I I think it
[18:36] gets tricky to know whether we did what
we needed to do
[18:38] » on the report. You're saying
>> on this actual form when we I don't know
[18:42] if this is what Jacob fills out or who
fills this out because I understand that
[18:46] » stupid. Right. So I don't know if this
is staff or this is Jacob but it would
[18:51] be nice for it to actually say not just
the date but also like paid family
[18:57] medical leave, you know, review proposal
and recommendation, right? It needs cut
[19:01] title somewhere or under identified
question. It could something needs to be
[19:05] out a little more detail than what's out
there for me to look at it and make
[19:08] sense of it later.
>> All right. [clears throat]
[19:10] Um,
so as we're going through this, do I
[19:14] need to then fill out the second half of
the form that then goes to council or
[19:19] from a procedural standpoint what needs
to happen?
[19:22] » So the up to you
>> I guess the way you want to do it if you
[19:27] want to fill out the forms or not. I
think this is a chance that once a year
[19:30] any reports that didn't come back you
would be able to just close out. So I
[19:34] don't think you do tend to be
bureaucratic
[19:37] » in the sense of go back and fill out
forms. I would say just do a quick one
[19:39] page. It says hold fire still open check
an update for the family medical leave
[19:45] » home resolved
last year we brought that back. I can't
[19:48] remember which one. I mean that was
about hiring an independent company was
[19:53] the biggest part
>> right back and recommended to council
[19:55] that they do it but we just never filled
that out on the for
[19:58] » yes
>> and that's what's happening with some of
[20:00] them uh workers comps uh was the same I
believe that was the one that you
[20:05] » we workers comp we decided to leave as
is
[20:09] » a safer review uh you're still under I
mean you did that
[20:13] » I think we should look at because we
keep talking about whether we're doing
[20:16] it or we're not going forward so
Um,
[20:23] » yeah. And this is a Yeah, you two
collectively understand more about this
[20:28] than I do. So,
>> the things I think Go ahead, Andrew, if
[20:30] you want.
>> I was just going to put it out of the
[20:33] just a reminder that I am married to the
deputy fire chief. Um, but where this
[20:39] does not pertain to his salary on whose
contract I'm going to continue being
[20:44] included in the competition,
>> but I think we're supposed to say
[20:47] whether we have any issue with that,
need to take a vote or verbal, whatever.
[20:50] I have no problem with it being brought.
Jacob, you're good. Okay, we're okay.
[20:52] It's a conversation. We're not making
decisions. So, um, what I think is that
[20:58] it still keeps showing up on our agenda
every month. When you look at the
[21:01] council agenda, it says items referred
to the finance committee and it still
[21:04] shows. And what I personally think is it
doesn't matter if they're called safer
[21:09] or they're not called safer. It's just
data the fireman the fire department's
[21:13] been tracking about the advantages of
staffing at six versus five per shift.
[21:18] Um my own take and I won't be here that
much longer but I think what would be
[21:23] helpful to the fire department would be
for us as a committee to look back at
[21:27] that sheet that they provided us the
data on which as I understand it they
[21:31] continue to track and to give them some
feedback about if this is giving us I
[21:36] think there's a couple tiny tweaks in
there that would make it much more
[21:40] effective for them when they come to
council to make their case. Like what
[21:43] I've seen over time is certain little
bits that are missing, which I think
[21:47] they're actually collecting but don't
make it onto that forum. I think what
[21:51] streamline conversations and I've had
been in many scenarios where I've ended
[21:55] up digging through and having
conversations and then going, "Oh, I get
[21:58] it now. This is actually what that cost
us. This is actually what that saved us.
[22:02] Here's the difference." But there are a
couple things missing that if we fix
[22:06] them, no one would have to dig. It would
just sort of be right right there. So,
[22:10] personally, I would rather keep it on
for us to give them some feedback on the
[22:14] data they're collecting and any quick
and easy things that shouldn't be any
[22:19] more work from them. I don't think that
would just present the data in a way
[22:22] that would tend to make it, I think,
streamlined through anyone on council
[22:26] who was trying to really look at those
numbers and understand them. So, I'd
[22:29] love to see it us to have a meeting or
two where we looked at that data and
[22:33] talked about what's not there that could
help. Um, that's me. Um, but other
[22:39] people may feel differently. I don't
feel like it's done. I think tracking
[22:42] what those advantages are and what it
actually costs us is really important.
[22:48] Anytime we hit a difficult budget
season, it's going to cycle back through
[22:51] again about where's our staffing level
at in every department and what is it
[22:55] costing us and it's better for them. Um,
we've they've made a huge improvement on
[23:01] what we're seeing. And I'm happy to just
meet with Clint, have a private
[23:04] conversation if the committee's not
interested, but others might have
[23:07] feedback. And I think leaving it in a
really good state for them as they
[23:10] collect this year will make everybody's
lives easier from budget season.
[23:15] » From my standpoint, the safer grant
itself is over
[23:20] » and we're now dealing with FTEES, not
the separate FTE with safer grant. Yeah.
[23:25] » Um, so I would like to see
>> title switch. the title switch still
[23:31] keep track but
um I think we need to be more
[23:36] descriptive in what is it that we're
asking from them what is it that what is
[23:42] our end goal that we want to see so that
they have a specific charge in what is
[23:48] it that we're looking for so that they
can get more
[23:53] uh not easier for them to give us the
answers but it they can understand where
[23:58] we're coming from.
>> Yeah, I agree completely.
[24:01] » Yeah, 100%. And
>> I think we can over ask for information
[24:05] and then it just gets confused in
>> 100%. And I actually think there's stuff
[24:09] that we may be getting that we don't
need on the spreadsheet. I've seen,
[24:13] » but I think there's a couple things we
do need that we haven't got. Like there
[24:16] are pieces where we keep getting data
that says, well, we didn't count this.
[24:20] We only counted the leave that was
planned months in advance. But actually,
[24:24] I'm sure they actually do know how much
short-term leave happened. Also, I mean,
[24:28] it's tracked because they filled those
spots,
[24:31] » right? And that's actually way more
useful than a lot of the tiny breakdown
[24:34] numbers we got, which we don't really
need,
[24:36] » right?
>> So, I agree with you that we could
[24:38] simplify, streamline, make it clearer,
title it however it needs to be titled.
[24:42] To me, there's a little bit of work we
could do to clean up on our end, which
[24:46] would make their lives a lot easier, I
think. But,
[24:49] » so why are we tracking the fire
department at this level of detail and
[24:53] not any of the other departments?
>> Thank you. That was going to be my I
[24:57] think that's the next absolute we can
kick that back to council like if we're
[25:01] not anymore that's fine. I do want to
clarify on the safer grants. My
[25:04] impression was we are not actually done
with safer grant money. Um because we
[25:08] are still spending down the safer
reserve and until we've actually
[25:11] finished that I don't think we're done
with safer grant money but I they have
[25:15] to speak to that. As far we still have a
reserve and that may go even beyond this
[25:19] fiscal year as money we're still
choosing how to spend. I think
[25:22] » we'll be using the full saver reserve to
cover the fire department overage in
[25:25] FY26. So technically last year
>> that's good. So then we're done.
[25:30] » So then I agree with you that's got to
go back to council and whether council
[25:34] wants to track it or not track it is a
council level decision for me isn't it
[25:40] for you guys. I mean
>> I mean they're the only ones asking for
[25:45] this so I guess
>> yeah um I
[25:52] » uh
yeah we can
[25:57] so the the the question back to council
then is
[26:03] do you want to track
these metrics for the fire department
[26:11] or not. And then
my immediate fault would be why are we
[26:17] doing it for the department fire
department and not all of the other
[26:20] departments in which case that just
seems
[26:25] overbearing to me. But um
yeah, so we can we can talk to the
[26:30] council as to whether they want to
continue to see
[26:34] » I mean yeah
>> the answer is why is because council
[26:36] told us to, right? I mean that's the
answer why is because council told us to
[26:40] track it and
>> right absolutely so it would be
[26:45] appropriate for us to go back and say
safer grants are over
[26:48] » do you want us to still track whether
this staffing at six is beneficial and
[26:53] how financially beneficial or not
>> or is council no longer interested in
[26:57] that metric right and to me I don't
think that's something that committee
[27:00] has the authority that wasn't what we
were tasked to do right we were tasked
[27:04] to track it for this year or as long as
we needed to I don't think it had a
[27:07] deadline on it and it has the title
safer in it as Andrea's pointed out. So
[27:12] if Zach says safer grant is ending then
it's I think appropriate to go back and
[27:16] say you asked us to track this for this
long. We did safer grants are over. I
[27:21] suspect we have different opinions on
the committee about whether it's
[27:24] important to track or not.
>> Right? For me as I've said repeatedly it
[27:29] is the single biggest driver of our
budget as a department always because
[27:33] it's a third of our staff.
>> Right? And there's no way around that
[27:36] ever. And it is the department that has
grown the most in staffing and grown the
[27:40] most in budget consistently for the last
10 years. So for me, whether this was
[27:46] fire or any other department, I would be
saying we need to look at this because
[27:50] this is the biggest driver of our budget
growth. Um, and I would want to look at
[27:54] it. But other people might not. Other
people might say, I'm not concerned that
[27:58] our personnel budget has been growing at
this rate. Right? It kind of depends on
[28:02] whether we're concerned about it or
we're not. Fire is very different as
[28:04] we've talked about in detail because
sometimes things that look like they're
[28:08] driving the budget up aren't right or
are driving it up much less than what
[28:12] they look like. A lot of what I got out
of my various delves into this over the
[28:15] years, right, is how many things look on
paper huge and then when you look at the
[28:21] savings, they get a lot smaller. They
don't go away. There's still a cost, but
[28:24] the cost is much smaller than what it
looks like when you look at them in the
[28:28] budget presentation. And I think it
helps them to have a clear presentation
[28:32] of being able to explain that like it
looks like this but actually here's the
[28:37] numbers that show you what the real cost
is. So in my mind it helps them to make
[28:41] their case. I mean the classic one was
the first one where I was trying to
[28:45] understand growth in um FTEEs and what
they typically would cost. They they
[28:50] actually cost a third of that because at
the beginning they weren't adding actual
[28:55] hours. They were just adding people as
people's hours per week went down,
[28:59] right? I don't know if you guys remember
this, but that costs like a $100,000 for
[29:02] five staff people, which doesn't
normally happen. Five staff people is
[29:06] normally $500,000 as these guys could
say. So, some of that stuff, it really
[29:11] helps the fire department to make their
case every budget season when it comes
[29:15] around. So, but we can certainly just if
the council's not interested, then any
[29:19] individual counselor who is can talk to
staff and staff can continue to do with
[29:23] it what they want. But I think it's very
appropriate to go back with the safer
[29:27] grant title and with the year gone to
say safer is no longer called safer. Do
[29:32] we still want to track you know these
changes? The idea for the public when
[29:36] safer started was to it was stated to
the public repeatedly that we would
[29:40] track the data to show whether it was
paying for itself and it didn't pay for
[29:44] itself. It paid for part of itself.
>> Can I make a suggestion? This has been
[29:47] great listening.
>> Yeah.
[29:48] » I think you need to close this one and
do a new one.
[29:51] » I agree. So, I think who's going to This
is one of the ones that as as the
[29:55] manager I keep asking, we're going to
refer things to committee. They come
[29:58] from the council. This is not one the
staff should run. Okay.
[30:02] » Somebody should be somebody in this
committee. If you're going to do this, I
[30:05] think you're closing this one and you're
going to present a new one to over. So,
[30:08] somebody would want to spearhead that. I
think that's kind of where you're at.
[30:11] So, you can write a report, Jacob, on
behalf of the committee that says this
[30:15] task closed. But the committee is
recommending that recommending the
[30:19] council consider a a revised proposal
for another 12 months or whatever it is
[30:24] you come up with
>> or it's not recommending because it
[30:26] would not be is not between two but I
mean close this one and move to what the
[30:31] new one is because it be easier for me
to work with what you're proposing as
[30:35] well. Okay.
>> I would happily bring one back about
[30:38] what I think would be potentially useful
financially to council going forward and
[30:43] then I don't I mean do you want me to
bring it here or straight to council? I
[30:48] don't care because I would just assume
bring it here and if you guys nix it
[30:51] then that's that and I don't need to go
further or take it to council and let
[30:54] them decide. I don't it doesn't matter
to me.
[31:03] » Yeah. I mean I guess
>> guess it should go to council. I don't
[31:05] know if we're closing this one. I guess
it goes back to council.
[31:08] » I think we're closing this one and then
there's going to be a new referral. We
[31:12] go through that same process.
>> Got it. I will do that.
[31:14] » Okay. So, I will
>> meet with Clint because if Clint's like,
[31:18] I've already got this covered on this
and this and this. There may be no need.
[31:21] » I just don't want the budget season to
bog.
[31:23] » What was the outcome then? You are going
to bring
[31:26] » he's going to close it.
>> I'm going to close it as part of my
[31:29] report.
>> Yeah. And then Sarah
[31:33] » talk with you about the details,
>> right? And maybe those are pieces you
[31:37] guys have already had strategies to
solve and it's irrelevant.
[31:41] » Um, but I don't want it to bog down
budget discussions. I want it to go
[31:44] through budget discussions as quickly as
possible would be my goal.
[31:47] » Okay.
>> I won't be here, but I make your lives
[31:50] easier.
>> Yeah. All right. Perfect. Okay. So that
[31:55] then that that um budget review this old
Yeah. Hold it done.
[32:00] » Okay, it's about the calendar. If
everybody's watching and we do that now
[32:04] in a very regimented process, they look
forward to old budget calendar.
[32:07] » Okay,
>> we're back to fire station.
[32:09] » Fire station.
>> We started
[32:11] » where we started
referred to
[32:15] » still here. So, for
everybody out in the nether world
[32:22] listening, um this started when the
local troop wanted to take over um
[32:30] essentially ownership more or less of
our old fire station. Um council was
[32:35] generally amendable to that given
stipulations about usage of building,
[32:39] upkeep, etc. Um after further due
diligence on the
[32:46] um troops side, they could not get KCI,
which is the
[32:54] real estate asset holding body, the
scouts and the only entity that legally
[32:59] can hold assets to agree to hold the
station um because of concerns over
[33:06] maintenance, cost, etc. So, and the
scouts have been approaching other
[33:12] organizations about uh taking ownership
on their behalf and have not had a lot
[33:18] of success. So, um
now the the troops still very much want
[33:24] to
take have some permanency uh to uh their
[33:30] meeting space and the station. So,
one of the thoughts that I had
[33:39] is that
would the town be interested in
[33:47] leasing
the fire station to the Legion or
[33:52] another holding company
um under a whatever 99 year whatever. So
[34:00] that would give the
troop some sense of safety in that they
[34:07] could, you know, put money into, they
would feel comfortable putting money
[34:11] into the fire station. Um,
and then also through the lease, we the
[34:17] town would still be able to put in all
the stipulations about uh community um
[34:23] access uh maintenance of it, etc.
>> Can I ask a question? Why would we lease
[34:29] it not directly to the scouts which is
what was done before?
[34:31] » They can't legally hold um title
>> because the KCI level doesn't even want
[34:37] to lease it. Let
>> the KC I don't know if they discussed
[34:41] leasing with KCI. So yes, we could lease
it
[34:45] » to KCI or the Legion. And the only
reason I say Legion is because they're
[34:49] the um uh they're the sponsor of this
pack. Can I ask also before we have
[34:56] these discussions, way back when we got
the report, before I ever came on
[35:00] council, there was this big report done
about the cost of each of our buildings
[35:03] currently to maintain and to improve.
What was that called? Was on the key
[35:09] » Yeah. building facilities assessment.
>> Yeah. Right. I know it's a big book.
[35:13] Have you ever seen it, Andrea?
>> I haven't seen it, but it's worth
[35:15] seeing. I mean, just in terms of Yeah.
So, I mean, what is the actual cost to
[35:21] us to simply maintain this building as
is and not sink a lot of money? I
[35:24] remember being 20,000 a year to maintain
and then there was added stuff,
[35:30] » right? But I mean, I think the cost is
important for us to have a sense because
[35:33] it keeps cycling back around and there's
a big push to like move it out of our
[35:37] ownership. But at the same time, if the
actual ownership of a building that
[35:41] doesn't have heat, right, we don't
maintain a heating system there, it
[35:44] doesn't have a bathroom, right? It does
it does it have plumbing? We know
[35:49] » it has none of these things. It's not an
insulated building. So my understanding
[35:53] was at the time the cost of maintaining
this building is literally to paint when
[35:57] it needs to be painted, to roof when it
needs to be roofed, and then I believe
[36:01] there was some structural issue in the
basement that they were concerned about
[36:06] over time.
>> Foundation. Yes.
[36:08] » Right. So I just think that's important
because it does have a lot of historic
[36:12] value to the town. The Boy Scouts have
used it for a very long time. I think I
[36:16] don't know, but I've always been curious
how attached the firefighters are to it.
[36:19] It's like historically their building,
which is a very cool thing.
[36:22] » Well, that's one of the things I I've
typed in here is checking to see when
[36:27] » right
>> any of the local unions be open to
[36:30] working with the Boy Scouts. I'm
wondering
[36:32] » how to keep and maybe turning it not
into just Boy Scout use, but also be
[36:36] using. That's what I'm wondering.
>> Right. Which would be very, very cool.
[36:40] Right. And I guess all those things seem
like very cool ideas. And if the cost to
[36:46] us is really only 20 and maybe if we're
dealing with a foundation and we save up
[36:50] for that maybe it becomes you know 30 a
year I don't know it doesn't seem
[36:55] astronomical for something of that
amount of historic value to our town.
[36:58] It's the only historic building that we
own right so I guess I just always want
[37:03] our discussions to be balanced by the
cost is not huge to maintaining this
[37:07] building compared to the cost of
maintaining a lot of our other
[37:09] facilities that are way more
complicated. And I just want to make
[37:11] sure you the the the
annual cost to maintain what we're doing
[37:16] at the current rate of maintenance is
minimal and is sustainable and not an
[37:20] issue. The full cost is in your share
father and the building assessment
[37:25] information. And if I remember
correctly,
[37:29] » it's the Orno community facilities need
assessment. I'm blown up as we speak.
[37:32] And that building had a big number
because the goal was to get it to eat it
[37:36] year round use with bathrooms, right?
Accessibility, fixing the structure that
[37:41] was the foundation. And so I just want
to make sure that if we go down the
[37:45] route of of the the full cost that is,
you know, going to end up being a goal
[37:49] that the town has and town budgets.
>> It's it was a big number. It was not
[37:53] small. But I think that they didn't.
What I'm trying to say is I don't like
[37:57] how they split that out because they
gave us basic maintenance like just
[38:00] paint and roof. And then they gave us
everything if we wanted to upgrade the
[38:04] building. I think what's reasonable is
we just maintain it as we're figuring
[38:07] out who wants to be involved still and
what historic use and how how the
[38:12] history wants to be celebrated. And
perhaps we deal with the foundation
[38:15] problem if that's getting crucial and we
need to save for that. But the other
[38:20] stuff, heating and plumbing and all
that, we don't I mean, people have been
[38:23] using it without that in ways that
people have enjoyed using it, right?
[38:27] » I agree with Andrea that if we're going
to upscale, there have to be other
[38:30] people that want to take that on. But
I'm curious, how bad is the foundation?
[38:35] How urgently does that need to be dealt
with? And does that give us some time?
[38:40] Because I guess I don't see what running
to the VFW does. I mean, at least to
[38:44] them, are they going to deal with a
foundation?
[38:47] The scouts have or the uh troop is
already working to
[38:55] through grants and fundraising to raise
the money to fix the foundation to heat
[39:00] the building to make it essentially a
year- round space that they can they can
[39:06] use.
>> Actually done fundraising for that. They
[39:09] so a couple yes um Nickerson O has um
agreed to donate uh do some in kind um
[39:17] also uh Fred the Fred auto state trust
something like that has funds so yes
[39:23] they're not there but I mean anything
that we do would be contingent upon that
[39:28] so
>> let me there's not much publicity for
[39:31] that
>> I haven't heard a thing
[39:33] » but something that we could help with as
far
[39:36] » well yes but they're not until I mean
the the the the troop has kind of put
[39:42] this on the back burner until they can
fit it's it's difficult to fundra uh
[39:49] when it's unclear exactly what you're
fundraising for.
[39:52] » Right.
>> So what would the lease look like? I
[39:55] mean it would and again this is also an
idea. Yeah. An idea but you know it's it
[40:00] would essentially look like what council
agreed any purchase and sale or transfer
[40:07] would look like in that
it's leased for an extended period of
[40:11] time. However, the town has rights to
terminate the lease and in case that the
[40:17] building is not maintained to our
standards and we we had these
[40:21] discussions with council.
>> So would it make sense? I mean, I don't
[40:24] think this one's closed. That's the
first thing. This one we need to report
[40:27] is not closed. It's ongoing. And I think
it'd be great if we brought this back
[40:32] for a discussion at our next meeting or
if it's not the next one, the one after
[40:36] about what would it look like to get the
various stakeholders in the room who
[40:41] might be interested in this building
because it isn't just the Boy Scouts. We
[40:44] originally said, okay, well, the Boy
Scouts are there and they have a strong
[40:47] interest, but as Andrea, I think,
rightly pointed out, the unions may be
[40:50] interested. The fire department may be
interested. your ideas on who else might
[40:54] want to partner if it's the VFW or
whatever. It might make sense for us to
[40:58] think about getting permission from
council to have like a you know a mini
[41:02] committee of people who might historical
society in Noro has talked about it
[41:06] multiple times at meetings I've been to.
>> Yeah. And then when we followed up with
[41:09] them as part of this they've lost
interest pretty quickly.
[41:12] » Fully understand. But I think if we had
ideas like this rather than say like
[41:17] okay this is the organization to partner
with this one there might be four
[41:21] organizations that want to partner
together right so I mean do you have
[41:24] idea other than the VFW of who might
want to have at least
[41:27] » Oh I don't think the VFW cares one way
or the other it's just they are the
[41:32] sponsorship for the troopally
>> Thank you. They can legally hold
[41:38] property and enter into contractual
agreements.
[41:40] » And it's the VFW is their sponsor
>> or American Legion. I think
[41:43] » Okay, I got it wrong. American Legion. I
didn't get that connection.
[41:46] » Yeah. Yeah. They their sponsorship of
Yeah. I don't They have no interest in
[41:50] it. I I I don't know what their interest
is, but I don't
[41:53] » But they could release it.
>> Yes. They are the contractual
[41:57] They're the organization that can
contractually do it. So I mean do you
[42:02] want to talk to the vir just to see if
there's any I mean
[42:08] » and if there is talk about whether
there's interest in some historical
[42:12] component to that I do think the
historical society would also be
[42:15] interested
>> and you're connected to them too
[42:18] » right whoever's doing this they have to
have their own articles of incorporation
[42:22] and get legally signed links otherwise
it's just the town continuing to own it
[42:26] » which is where that's where we're coming
back to that's the decision staff's
[42:30] waiting
Are we owning it? Fully responsible. I
[42:33] did look it up. 100,000's the low side
>> and 1.5 million was the uh the high
[42:39] side.
>> 100,000 is if we just do a foundation,
[42:41] right?
>> Yeah. The foundation maybe touch the
[42:44] heating and lighting a little bit. Mid
fix was considered 3 to 800 and the full
[42:48] fix was 1.5 to 2.5. How many years ago
that's three ever doing anything beyond
[42:55] the basic maintenance and or the
foundation which is the 100,000 level.
[42:59] Beyond that, it has to be somebody else
who takes it on or big fundraising,
[43:03] right?
>> And again, it may be just that the
[43:06] scouts or whomever, they they
want to know that the they can continue
[43:12] to use the building and they want to
make it so that it can be used hopefully
[43:18] on a year- round basis. So, you know,
the million or something probably not
[43:22] going to do that, but they'll fixation,
do the heat, right?
[43:25] » Things of that nature. So,
>> yep. That sounds good. I think this one
[43:28] is ongoing and maybe we have time to
actually focus in on it more now. Okay.
[43:32] » Don't you think?
>> Yeah.
[43:33] » Yeah.
>> I mean, it seems important. It's a
[43:35] really important building.
>> Go talk to the uh fire department. See
[43:38] what they think.
>> Yeah.
[43:39] » Okay.
>> Do we want to keep it to junk or can we
[43:41] expand? I mean, we've got old town.
Yeah.
[43:44] » No fired fzy. Sure.
>> Yeah. Why not? I mean, it's the only
[43:47] little fire station that I'm anywhere in
our area that's preserved. And this
[43:51] state is really historically incredibly
cool. It's very, very accurate. The only
[43:55] the only caveat I'm one member of
seven and how many we got on council,
[44:02] but if any of these organizations want
to take it over, it'd be pretty
[44:07] important to me that they continue to
let the Boy Scouts see it for the
[44:10] » Oh, yeah. That would be
>> that's a non-starter, at least in my
[44:13] mind.
>> Yeah.
[44:14] » We feel if there's a private owner who
was willing to purchase it and sign a
[44:19] lease for 99 years or something into it.
>> That's in your report as well. They
[44:22] talked about that, too.
>> What does it say? says that that you
[44:25] just have to make sure there was very
stringent guidelines on how they wanted
[44:29] this
>> current stat.
[44:30] » How does that work? If we sold it to a
private person, if a neighbor wanted to
[44:34] buy it and they said, "I'm willing to
sign a 50-year I mean, they're not even
[44:37] going to be alive in 50 years."
>> You'd have to draft a deed.
[44:40] » So, it means that when they sell it,
>> restrictions,
[44:42] » puts restrictions, the next person who
buys their house. This has to still be
[44:46] allowed for Boy Scout use for the next
many years. because I believe that there
[44:49] are private land owners in our
neighborhood who have verbally expressed
[44:52] » Oh, Keith would love to buy that. Don't
think,
[44:54] » but actually some of them have verbally
expressed that they'd be happy to sign
[44:57] long-term leases with the Boy Scouts is
what I was trying to say to me. So, I
[45:01] don't know if that's still the case, but
years ago, many at least at least one,
[45:05] if not more, said they would sign
long-term leases with the Boy Scouts.
[45:09] » Yeah.
>> So, should we also approach those folks
[45:12] to find out if they're still willing to
own it with a long-term Boy Scout lease?
[45:16] Do we need to look at current market
value or are we going to go with what we
[45:20] originally planned with the
>> You can look at anything actually doing
[45:23] it would require council votes and would
put the restrictions on what that would
[45:27] include which would be appraisals
[snorts]
[45:29] » and I mean given they're going to put
money into this my thought again one it
[45:33] would be you know a dollar lease
>> right I guess I'm just saying that if
[45:38] we're exploring all possible options for
the Boy Scouts to be able to continue to
[45:42] use the building and for the historical
nature of the building to be preserved
[45:46] which is what I have heard the the
things council was prioritizing when we
[45:50] got the task as a committee. Some of it
might be through the American Legion
[45:55] who's their sponsor. Some might be if
the unions and the fire departments were
[45:59] interested in getting involved. And a
third option might be if a private
[46:02] person is willing to buy it and maintain
it and say the boy scouts have a lease
[46:08] for this many years because it is very
close to neighbors who are very invested
[46:12] in it not becoming
>> like more housing and more parking all
[46:15] the time, right?
>> So I think we should at least ask. I
[46:18] mean our charge was to find options and
I think that those still meet the
[46:22] options for Boy Scouts to stay in it and
the historical nature to be maintained
[46:25] potentially. We should at least ask. I
mean, my attitude towards that is let
[46:29] let the pack deal with it. I mean, they
they ultimately need to find the the let
[46:34] the troop find that and deal with it.
They ultimately need to find somebody
[46:37] who can sign.
>> I mean, I think so. Let them put in the
[46:40] leg work if they really want this
building. So,
[46:43] » but I think we should
>> I think if those owners have talked to
[46:47] the town, we should at least cycle back
to them. How interested are they? We
[46:50] could connect them potentially, right?
>> Yep. Yeah. And at this point, I think
[46:54] the scouts are
If leasing is an option, they can again
[47:00] kind of renew their energy and focus
again.
[47:02] » Got it. And maybe their fun
>> ownership is not is not an option for
[47:06] them. So
>> their fundraising is probably near them
[47:09] though if it's owned by a nonprofit
versus if it's owned by a private owner.
[47:12] I bet. Right.
>> Oh, sure.
[47:14] » So I mean there's a real advantage to a
nonprofit owner that I think.
[47:18] » Yeah.
>> So I don't think we can neglect that.
[47:21] There's options. This one's not done,
Jacob. That's what we got.
[47:23] » No. And I didn't think it was, but I
Yeah, I just wanted to kind of get it
[47:28] moving again because it's been sitting
there stagnant for
[47:31] » since September 24th. So, got it.
>> All right. Um, so from a
[47:40] administrative perspective,
do you want me to just do a quick report
[47:45] at the next council meeting that we've
gone through our tasks or we've gone
[47:48] through the our referrals?
>> I think it needs to be a written
[47:52] something. Well, yeah, just a written
summary, but very
[47:55] » I would say
>> send it to Amanda and we'll get
[47:57] » them. Amanda's putting them together and
they don't come to council for a while.
[48:00] Amanda's compiling them.
>> Oh, so this is all going to happen at
[48:03] one time.
>> You got it.
[48:05] » But I think we'll do them during the
committee reports. There'll be an
[48:08] attachment in your committee report,
your annual report 26 report on the same
[48:13] night. There's just a month when it's
already on the count built for every
[48:18] council to look at every of our own
committees reporting back like our
[48:22] charge we're suggesting needs to be
amended. These are the things we've
[48:24] completed. This is the ones we haven't
many reports from us and then also stuff
[48:30] from other community committees which
are coming in a written form for us to
[48:34] just read and reapprove charges the same
thing. So, it's a whole night of like
[48:37] council going through.
>> I Well, I'm going to that's not the
[48:40] picture we took. C staff thought we were
putting these during your committee
[48:44] reports. It's on every agenda that the
committee can do it.
[48:46] » Not for these four for these four,
>> right? That's fine.
[48:49] » Just making sure we weren't mixing the
>> Well, but I think it needs to actually
[48:52] be written like for what's done and
these are what's not. That's all I'm
[48:55] saying.
>> Yeah. Let's do couple quick bullets on
[48:59] each good.
>> Yeah.
[49:01] » And much as anything so Amanda can close
out the ones that are done. Okay.
[49:07] » All right. Anything else for the good of
the order? That
[49:10] » was pretty efficient.
>> I know.
[49:12] » And we're the first time get done before
it.
[49:14] » Well, actually, this is like our third
one. So, do we want to look at
[49:18] revisiting the time that we start our
meetings?
[49:23] » I would love to move back to four. Um,
but I would step down.
[49:27] » Yeah. Or do you just want to suck it up
until November? We have to do the time
[49:32] » completely up to.
>> Yeah. I think we should just wait till
[49:34] November. I don't mind having the break
in between honestly if we can like
[49:38] stretch and
>> you know move and not break.
[49:41] » Yeah, he only would have five minutes at
it.
[49:43] » Fine.
>> Zach was so efficient with our finances
[49:47] that this time around sometimes we
weren't.
[49:50] » I'm trying to make it quick.
>> All right, I'm going to journ.
[49:55] » We're going to adjourn.
Oh,
[50:01] » how was your Monday? You missed our
Monday discussion, Andrea. Hope they're
[50:04] not open.