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All rise.

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Good evening and welcome to the council meeting.

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And I'm going to start out with the acknowledgment of the land.

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We acknowledge the incorporation of the town of Wippy is located on the lands of the Great Mississauginations,

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who are signatories to the Williams Treaties.

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These communities include the Mississaugas of Scuba Island.

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First nations of Alderville, Bolsa Lake, Curve Lake, Hayawatha, Chippo-Wazard,

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Georgina Island, and Rama.

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We believe is important that we learn and work to reconcile the impact we and those before us have had on the original inhabitants.

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On behalf of the town of Wippy, we want to thank them for sharing this land and all its resources.

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At the town of Wippy, our goal is to respectfully share and the responsibility of the stewardship and protection of these ancestral lands,

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and waters and continue towards truth and reconciliation as we move forward as friends and allies with all of our stations in UIT and MAT people.

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Mr. Clerk, National Anthem, please.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I would now ask you to remain standing and join me in a moment of reflection.

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May we always be respectful to responsibility of public office.

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May we accurately discern whether it is in the public good in our diverse community.

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May we work diligently in the best interests of our residents.

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May we make wise decisions for the betterment of our town.

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May we be seated.

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Mr. Clerk, can I have the call the roll?

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You were, should I can certify the attendance of all members of council?

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Thank you.

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Is there any declarations of conflict of interest in tonight's agenda?

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Hearing none.

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I'm moving to the adoption of the minutes.

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Item number five.

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Move by Councillor Lanklass, second by Councillor Yamada.

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All in favor.

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Any opposed?

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I'm not as carried.

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Moving on to, prior to actually moving on to the presentations.

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Within the agenda and prior to getting to the delegations.

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There is an item within our agenda.

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And I am going to be ruling it out of order in accordance to 15.5.

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And that is 12.2.

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And in accordance with 15.5.

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I just want to make a reminder as our roll as an example council.

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And we're elected to deliver local services.

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Not to decide decisions on royal succession.

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So this is at the scope of what our roll is.

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And I think that our residents rely on us to be making decisions that are clear within our roll.

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And that is about looking at the mandate to govern locally and to deliver services.

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This maintain infrastructure support housing and economic growth.

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And ensure community safety and enhanced equality of life for the residents.

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And I believe the focus is what this council is.

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So I'm going to rule the motion out of order of 12.2.

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Within 15.5.

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Councillor, there is the opportunity to have council to approve for the motion to be presented this evening.

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And if you'd like to proceed with that.

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So your call counts are like he, but if not, then it will be ruled out of order.

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And the delegate and also the motion will not be brought forward this evening.

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I'm on clear on your statement.

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I'd like to move it forward.

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So 15.5.

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Under your procedure by law.

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Essentially states that council can approve.

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Outside of our scope of jurisdiction.

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A motion to move forward.

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So as the mover to allow for it to move forward within the agenda.

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You're the mover, seconder, please.

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Councillor Yamada.

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So council members, do you understand?

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I know this is the first time with 15.5 to be presented in front of you.

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That I do ask the question.

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Do you as everybody understand?

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Yes, it's to move it forward.

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No, it's not to move it forward.

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All in favor to move forward.

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Okay, sure.

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Mr. Clerk.

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Thank you, Mayor Royce.

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The question is will the ruling of the chair be sustained.

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Recorded vote.

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Councillor Bois and Opsky.

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Just pointed clarification.

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Mr. Clerk.

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This is different.

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It's not a challenge of the chair.

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It's to move it forward with my understanding.

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Yeah, so the chair is made a procedural rule.

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Mayor Royce made a procedural rule.

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So are we upholding the rule in that she is made here under section 15.5.

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Yes, is supportive.

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No, would be a vote against the position.

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I misunderstood it.

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So that's fine.

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Thank you.

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It's Councillor Cardwell.

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So I'm not more confused.

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In the affirmative, supports the procedural interpretation that section 15.5 applies.

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And this is beyond jurisdiction of council.

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So if you vote in the affirmative, you're supporting the position that this is beyond the jurisdiction of council.

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Councillor.

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I'll switch the head.

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We're shipped that vote carries on seven to two vote.

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Thank you very much.

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And just to confirm that under delegations, that 12.2 is not part of our agenda this evening.

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I do recognize that there is a delegate that has registered for this.

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Mr. Clerk, did you notify that the delegate that there could be a potential that this would not move forward?

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You were shipped.

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We did not notify the delegate of that, but given that the body of council has made this decision.

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I think it's an order here.

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Thank you very much.

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Moving on to presentations.

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I'm going to move to Herbert Schillings and Ronald D.

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Durham Agricultural Advisory Committee.

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Please come forward, gentlemen.

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Good evening.

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How are you?

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I'm just going to pull up the presentation.

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Good evening, Mayor.

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Members of council and staff.

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Thank you for this opportunity to appear before you tonight.

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My name is Ronald D.

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And I'm here with O'Bare Schillings from the Durham Agricultural Advisory Committee.

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We're providing a brief update, annual update on the Durham Agricultural Advisory Committee.

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Also referred to as DAC.

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And how we can support the town of Whitby and region with agricultural and rural matters.

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Okay. So we'll cover three things tonight.

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A quick reminder of what DAC is a brief overview of what we focused on in 2025.

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And the key issues were here across the agricultural community in the region.

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And then ending with how DAC can be a practical resource for the WIPP Council and staff.

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To start with with what DAC is and how we work.

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DAC provides advice to the region of Durham on agricultural matters and rural matters as they relate to agriculture.

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Projects, consultations, emerging issues can be brought to DAC either for information or to gather feedback.

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Our role is to bring in agricultural perspective.

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What the impacts and benefits of light for farm businesses and the broader agriculture system.

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DAC includes 17 members, including members at large representatives from each municipality.

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The Durham Region Federation of Agriculture, Durham Farm Fresh, and three non-farming representatives.

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So in simple term stacks is a ready organized way to test how policies and projects land in the agricultural community early enough to be useful.

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The next two slides are quick at a plant snapshot from region materials to ground of the discussion.

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This slide pilots the scale and footprint of egg and Durham and the diversity of how farms operate and connect with the community.

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The key takeaway here is that egg remains a significant land use and economic driver and intersects directly with municipal planning infrastructure and economic development decisions.

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Okay, the next slide speaks the broader economic contributions.

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This slide summarizes the contribution of egg or culture and agriculture to jobs and economic activity.

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The reason why we include this is when council decisions affect a viability directly or indirectly.

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They also affect or may affect the broader economic outcomes and local businesses tied to the sector.

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Okay, so with that context here's what DAC spent time on in 2025.

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In 2025 we focused on mix of engagement planning, practical issues that show up in municipal decision making.

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We supported the annual farm tour.

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As well as an egg or a focus mental health training.

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We are involved with the North Durham on farm diversified uses project working across the North.

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School of Brock and Uxbridge and regional community growth and economic development.

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As well as we engaged on the Duffins Rouge egg preserve the clean water program through Toronto and region conservation authority and a number of local planning issues.

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And as we discussed the broader regional themes including economic development initiatives, recurrent transportation issues such as road design and culverts.

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These activities connect closely to the larger challenges we're hearing across the sector.

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The major issues we're hearing include on farm diversified uses transportation of goods and a price of agricultural land.

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We're also seeing a clear need for more food processing capacity.

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Continued global market challenges such as tariffs ongoing planning policy changes and the importance of egg agriculture education.

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So the bridge for council.

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These show up in very practical ways.

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How we plan land use, how we design and stage transportation projects, how we balance growth of long-term food and farm business vitality.

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Okay, so that brings us to the most important slide to help DAC.

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Can help with me.

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So first, it provides an agricultural perspective on new projects, strategies and plans.

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Second, it can help ensure local decisions consider the impacts of agricultural businesses.

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And third, DAC can help raise between the region, agricultural businesses.

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So the information flows practical and timely.

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Examples for DAC can provide feedback include regional local strategies or plans, economic development projects, agricultural land use matters, works department matters.

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For example, roundabouts, intersections, so on.

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And so our ask is simple.

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If we have an initiative where an agricultural lands would be helpful, we welcome the opportunity to be brought in early when the value of our feedback is highest.

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And again, thank you for the opportunity to present and we're happy to take questions.

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Thank you so much. Through you, Mayor Roy, I really appreciate you coming out and Mr. Hubert, you've met a few times in Durham Farm Connections. It is an absolute pleasure to have you in town of Whitby, Council and welcome.

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I have a couple of questions. The last slide states the fact that how can you help us and I appreciate that. How can you simplify these points of how we can help you?

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I give you an easy example that we went through, where we built new barns, where I need the flat piece of land, so we stripped off soil, and then we bought fill in that were surplus to regional projects. That cost me 35,000 dollars.

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I could have done a whole and wrecked three acres and brought no fill in.

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So that is something that's region, sorry, planning staff is listening and definitely taking into consideration and have further meetings with you.

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I will definitely request that and I appreciate you bringing real example to it.

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So I'll give it again. We're going to add on to three of my barns on the home farm. Don't need to do this.

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Don't be as much fill as we did at Whitby on the Whitby farm.

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We're not adding that much.

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But those are all where we struggle. So some of us who are building new buildings, a barn, a shed, maybe needs, it's better to bring some fill in because here in Durham is all sorts of good clean fill.

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Instead of digging a hole to make fill.

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Or I'm going to say it makes sense to me. However, I would open up this dialogue with staff and have you talk to them and see how they can help you.

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Furthermore, I know that Mr. Kahoon is a frequent visitor at the Durham region council through that as well.

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You mentioned tariffs and I know that Mayor has a correct task force and this is more of a federal matter. How can we help you locally with that?

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It depends what the production that we produce for export.

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The tariffs are hitting some of those farmers. I'll say it that way. In my case, it's not affecting me at all.

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We're basically producing for the nested market.

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So depends on what farmers you are.

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The big thing is moving a fertilizer now. If a cost of the U.S. border or not, type of thing.

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So some of our shipping of raw product is coming direct now through the U.S. to the Canada.

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So we have to re-jigger our way of getting stuff.

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The other one is some sectors can buy equipment if it's not built in Canada. Quite easy out of Europe.

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It might be now cheaper than the same equipment of the U.S.

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So I'm lucky being in poultry myself. We have all sorts of good equipment. We have all sorts of good European equipment.

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So if the tariffs, especially if you live in a steel, if their prices are going to go up, then we're going to buy more.

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And so we're lucky we do have European equipment from salespeople.

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So some of us are looking at equipment. We're starting to think expensive stuff.

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We're starting to price it out. Do we not buy it out of the U.S.

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Makes sense. I watched that Netflix series that the person buys farm equipment up in England somewhere so I appreciate that.

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Thank you so much for being here. I will encourage staff to set up a meeting with you.

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We will see how they can help and ease something. I can promise but I can definitely encourage and I really appreciate your here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Through you Madam Chair. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for the presentation tonight.

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Just a very brief question, but the answer might be more complicated. I don't know.

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The Pickering Airport lands. They're about to go through more study and strategic consultation.

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And, you know, your slide says, you know, that you are giving agricultural perspective on new project strategies and more.

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So, where do you see your role fitting in with that? And, you know, how do you see that unfolding as far as your guidance goes with those lands?

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It's a tough one. Most farmers want to own their land. I do not see the Pickering Airport land being resold back to farmers.

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So, lots of farmers rent land there and they just do what they have to do.

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That land will never be taken care of my land that we own in my family.

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So, I rent no land that a Pickering. I know some that do. I keep asking for more rent.

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There is some land. I'll be fair to the Pickering land. They have tile drained with a longer term lease.

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If they're serious about keeping it, you've got to show me a 25 year minimum lease. I don't think the federal government is there yet.

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Thank you. So, if I may. So, you know, just to expand on that, the reasoning being is that when you lease land, you work it for years.

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You rotate the crops every year. It takes many, sometimes 10 years to get the soil the way you want it for what you're doing, right?

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Yeah, so, okay.

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Well, and now the Pickering land has been, you know, 50 years rented, all the livestock has left.

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So, there's no manure base left in Pickering. So, after 50 years of no manure, it's tough.

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Yeah. And so, some of whom wants to be able to say a new dairy bar. No one's going to do it on rent at land or a new chicken market like what I meant.

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On rent at land. Because, usually, this is a 25, 30 year investment.

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Okay. So, I think I have my answers. Thank you. I assume that you will give that feedback to the federal government during this presentation, during the study that they're doing.

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Thank you. That's all. You're welcome. Councillor Cardwell.

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Thank you, Mayor Roy. Question to the delegates in your presentation on page 5 under activities of DAC for 2025.

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In notes, agricultural focused mental health training.

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That one caught my attention. Could you elaborate on that, please?

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For sure. So, the committee identified mental health.

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Option general terms. It's, you know, it's an important topic, but specifically to the community.

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And, you know, number of committee members, you know, have had experience with it.

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Other, you know, in different forms. But, but recognizing the need that it affects farmers and the farming community in different ways.

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So, putting together some programming to really provide that support to the farming community around mental health mental health training.

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Thanks. When it fascinates me, because I think it's a society we all hear about mental health crisis on the rise and it is.

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I never really thought how would affect the agricultural factor in farmers and their families and stuff.

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So, now knowing that I'm glad to hear that they're resource available to help because we all know COVID was really bad and with costs of food inflation, not great.

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So, yeah, I make sense that farmers and agricultural folks are affected. So, you know, good on you and DAC to be taking care of those folks that need the assistance.

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So, thank you.

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And Councillor Longquest.

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I was going to ask about that because it caught my attention to because it stands out.

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But I have another question that's a little bit related to the same vein as Councillor Molkha.

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But my aim was about the plans for high-speed rail through what might be primary agricultural lands and if you're involved in advocating one way or the other about that.

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Actually, I was going to bring that up because so I'm going to use the 407 in the new piece from Pickering to the 115.

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How many roads got closed because of the 407?

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So, well, the same thing happened again wherever this track is.

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And it's going to be north of the 407. I'm pretty sure.

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I'm feeling it's the Claremont Merlot Station, the Peterbill corridor.

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That's, and I'm not very far from that.

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You know, and so our municipalities in our region, if this track ever does go through, really got to be upfront, where the north south roads go, that's stay open.

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And I don't want to see a road, two roads closed, and the third one's finally open, where we got to go two miles east to go a mile north to come two miles west.

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You know, and that's kind of like happening with the 407. Just look at the 407.

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You know, there's many roads that got closed, you know, and so that would be a very concerned for the guys that farm on both sides of this.

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And can't get to the other side through an underpass or a bridge.

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No.

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I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

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Further?

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Seeing that, I'm just going to expand on that conversation in that topic that's in front of us, just with the high speed railway.

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This staff been reached out to have to participate in the, with the high speed to, with their consultation that they've been having within our community.

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As of right now, I'm going to say no.

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Okay, so from the municipal side, we have shared to the Ministry of Transportation federally, that would be wants to be a part of the consultation.

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We sent that on February 19th and both the CAO myself sent that through and I know that the CAO has asked staff to pull together a internal group to make sure that we're on top of what does take place.

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And the letter, I actually just sent an email earlier today to have the clerk put it into our public agenda and then the next upcoming meeting.

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So it'd be interesting to have your perspective on that as well too, and to be a part of that discussion.

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So we're still waiting from the Ministry of Transportation to respond to us on that, but we do have concerns as well too and your point about what the farming is very valid one.

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Last time you were here, you spoke about a slaughterhouse within our community, so a year ago.

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Where did that ever go?

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I'll leave you when anywhere.

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Okay.

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It's more on the beef and the pork side.

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All right.

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Okay.

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So Ron, we would welcome the opportunity to have further conversations, especially as our north develops in that and to ensure that you're a part of that conversation.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So the other one is.

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I'm going to make sure I say this right.

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April the 8th is the open house at the Brooklyn Reno.

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It's a cold.

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That's a fine fine.

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Yeah.

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For our farm production.

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So the Wednesday night after supper, it's open to the public.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I know.

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I do think I went before allowing us to use that arena.

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I think we've used it for first to 20 years.

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And I hope you can carry on.

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I know you're going to not have a arena in the future.

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It's a good spot for us.

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The building will still be there.

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Yeah.

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That's.

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That's.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm going to move on to delegations and moving on to seven two.

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Jessica Street.

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I'm talking about 12.3.

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Good evening and you have five minutes.

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Marin members of council.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight in support of this motion on transparency and disclosure.

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I want to begin by acknowledging something that happened earlier.

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I had prepared a short PowerPoint presentation to accompany my remarks.

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Unfortunately, I was informed that I would not be permitted to present it tonight.

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That presentation contains several examples and visual explanations about how outside advisors, consultants and political strategists can influence

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Municipal decision making in ways that are not always visible to the public.

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Since I cannot show that presentation tonight, I will simply summarize its central points, transparency matters.

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And the public deserves to know who is influencing decisions at regional town hall Queen's Park and Parliament Health.

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Let me also be very clear about something else.

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In my presentation, I deliberately avoided mentioning the name of any counselor.

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I'm not here to single anyone out.

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I'm not here to make infer or imply accusations against any individual member of council.

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This motion is not about individuals.

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It's about systems.

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The issue before you tonight is whether the public should have access to basic information about strategic political and communication advisors, who may be assisting elected officials during their term in office.

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Most residents understand that elected officials often seek advice. Consultants, strategists, communication advisors and policy experts can all play legitimate roles in helping people navigate complex issues.

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Advice itself is not the problem. The problem arises when the intent of the advice is invisible.

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If I were able to show you my PowerPoint, you would have seen screen grabs of a website that promoted an event I went to.

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The website was a chalkablock of lobbyists, communication experts, political strategists and elected officials.

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I will not mention names, but the website seemingly belongs to a member of council.

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This is why the mayor's motion is so important.

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When residents cannot see who is providing guidance, who is shaping communication strategies, or who is attempting to influence municipal decisions, it creates uncertainty and uncertainty can quickly turn into mistrust.

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Even when nothing improper is happening, a lack of transparency can lead residents to believe that decisions are being shaped behind closed doors.

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This motion helps to address that concern in a very reasonable way. It does not prevent counselors from receiving advice.

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It does not prohibit consultants or advisors from working with elected officials.

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It simply asks that the public be informed about who those advisors are and what role they are playing.

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The framework proposed in this motion is straightforward.

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If someone is providing strategic communications, political, or advisory support to a member of council outside of an elected period, that relationship should be disclosed.

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The fact of the matter is my PowerPoint would have demonstrated an example of how something is innocent as a campaign school should be included in such a registry.

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The public registry proposed in this motion would provide four simple pieces of information.

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Who the advisor or firm is, what type of support they are providing, whether they are being paid directly indirectly or providing support and kind, and how long that relationship exists.

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That information would be available to the public through a registry on the town's website.

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Sometimes donors provide tangible gifts of value, sometimes they provide intangible gifts of value, otherwise known as advice.

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I recently filed a freedom of information request to the Finance Department.

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I received back a detailed summary of expenses except one member of council who I will not name had a blank sheet.

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No expenses, no plain ticket, no meal expenses.

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So the mystery is, did that council member receive a donation or gift?

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We will never know. I will abide by my commitment not to name a councillor at this meeting, but please know that I will always push for transparency.

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I believe the motion is not an extreme proposal. In fact, it is consistent with the direction many governments are moving.

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Transparency tools such as lobbyist registries exist precisely because the public expects to know who is influencing public policy.

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The province of Ontario has opened a window for modernization through municipal accountability Act 2025 Bill 9.

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And this motion simply asks the province to help establish a consistent province-wide standard.

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Whippy has the opportunity to lead by supporting this motion council will be sending a message that transparency is not something to fear.

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It would send a message to the town of whip that the town of Whippy welcomes accountability.

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And it would send a message that residents deserve to see the full picture when it comes to the influences surrounding municipal decision making.

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Again, I want to emphasize that this discussion should not be about personalities or individual councillors.

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That is why I chose not to name anyone in my presentation I prepared.

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That is about building system that protects public trust when public when the public can see clearly who is advising elected officials.

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Speculation disappears, rumors disappear, confidence grows.

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Sunlight strength and democracy and transparency protects everyone.

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The public, the members of this council themselves.

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Advice itself is not the problem in residents.

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Just always remain free to share advice and ideas and concerns with elected officials.

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My only hesitation with this motion is that the framework created must be careful not to infringe on the charter protected rights of residents,

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particularly freedom of expression and freedom of association under section two of the Canadian chartered rights and freedoms.

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Constituents must always feel free to bring their ideas concerns and perspectives to their elected officials without fear that their participation could be discouraged.

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Discouraged or scrutinized.

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At a time when voter participation is already low, we should be cautious about creating any barriers that may make residents feel less comfortable about engaging with their representatives.

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And that's for these reasons.

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I respectfully encourage council to support this motion, but with caution and to continue strengthening with peace commitment to open and accountable government.

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Thank you.

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So I'm going to remind council members, this is for clarity on the presentation.

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Please.

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Councilor Shahid, Councilor Bisonoski, Councilor Yamada, Councilor Shahid.

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Thank you so much.

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I appreciate you coming out and speaking.

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I truly do.

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A question for clarity is the fact that you're supportive of this motion and you're encouraging council members to support it.

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Right?

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Okay.

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And then what is the caution?

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Can you be clear?

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Can you give us the clarity of what caution you're cautioning us?

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Oh, so as I said, my main caution was that we make sure that we're not infringing on the chartered rights of residents so that they can still feel free to come to their elected officials when they have issues.

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I love that.

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Absolutely.

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For sure.

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I will be supporting the fact that she supports it.

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That's awesome.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Councilor Bisonoski.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you for being here tonight.

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I think I heard you mentioned it once or once or twice.

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You kept saying campaign school.

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What's the campaign school?

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I'm a little confused.

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I attended a, I'm trying not to make many specific councillors.

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I attended a session that was put on by a member of council to help train people in how to campaign.

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That encouraged people to campaign early and to get out there and get in contact with different vendors and whatnot and participate.

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Okay.

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So in relation to the motion, are you then asking that if councillors then host campaign schools that they also have to publicly declare that?

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Is that I think that they should be disclosing that, especially when there's lobbyists and things involved?

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Is there a fee to attend to the school?

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Yeah.

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There.

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So for clarity, we're just clarity as for the details of the campaign school.

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I think we're delving in deeper into something that we'd like to do.

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I've never heard of a campaign's full name.

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I heard you mentioned it twice.

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So I appreciate you giving us additional feedback.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Matta.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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And I do think for questions of clarity, I do think it's fair to be able to ask, for example,

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how much did this campaign school cost?

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How many people were attending?

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Because if we are asking councillors, for openness and transparency, I do think that outside of the costs of putting on an event that you're speaking to.

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I'd love to know where the profits went.

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Councillor.

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Especially if there were lobbyists and councillors.

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So that the clarity, if there were lobbyists there.

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Councillor.

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The clarity for the question to the participant and to our delegate.

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She was a participant.

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As for the cost and anything further than that, that I think is something that's outside of our realm.

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But it could be probably found out by just having further information after the fact after the meeting today.

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I don't know why we're hiding anything.

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No hiding anything.

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We've gotten opportunity to ask a question.

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If I'm being told that I can't get an answer before I'm going to make a decision on emotion later today.

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I think is unfair.

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I think things are.

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Point of order.

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Trying to be subverted.

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Please Councillor Leicester.

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Okay.

455
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Councillor Leicester.

456
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,000
What Councillor Leicester is attempting to do is actually not relevant to the motion itself.

457
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
And the fact is if there are questions.

458
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Point of order would talk to the person.

459
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Councillor Leicester.

460
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Councillor Leicester.

461
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Councillor Leicester.

462
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Councillor Leicester.

463
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Open this and transfer.

464
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
So Councillor members, remember with the procedure with our governor?

465
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
I'm where hold on.

466
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
I have the floor.

467
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Yeah.

468
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
So did I.

469
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,000
So when you call a point of order, a point of order needs to be acknowledged by the chair before

470
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000
you speak.

471
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
And that is our procedure.

472
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
And that's our procedure of dialogue.

473
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
This is not going to be across the bait.

474
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
She brought forward a point of order.

475
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
I acknowledged her.

476
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000
She spoke Councillor.

477
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
And I'd like a point of order after.

478
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000
You can have it.

479
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
And I will come back to you because you still have the floor.

480
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Thank you.

481
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Unquest.

482
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:56,000
So the challenge that I'm having with what's transpiring is that it actually isn't relevant to the conversation.

483
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,000
So what somebody may or might not have done previously isn't going to be impacted.

484
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,000
But this because law does not apply retroactively.

485
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,000
And so the idea that we must have answers to this to vote on this.

486
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
It doesn't actually make any practical sense.

487
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,000
And so I have to question the purpose of the conversation.

488
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:26,000
But most more specifically, it isn't the delegates position or place to be responding to questions that are meant for another council member.

489
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Councillor Lankos.

490
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Thank you.

491
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Councillor Yamada.

492
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
You have the floor.

493
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
I think.

494
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
You have councilor.

495
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Are you doing point of order?

496
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
I do think it is relevant because I think we are talking about transparency.

497
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
We're talking about openness.

498
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:50,000
And I don't think there's anyone around this table that doesn't believe that more openness and transparency is better for our democracy and our council overall.

499
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
So I do think.

500
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000
It is fair.

501
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Madam Mayor.

502
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
To ask those questions.

503
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Did you have heard the questions that the delegate for clarity?

504
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000
No.

505
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Those were my questions of clarity.

506
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
And I would hope I could get some answers.

507
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Thank you.

508
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000
I have nobody other questions.

509
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Thank you, Mister.

510
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
For coming forward.

511
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
I'm moving on to the correspondence.

512
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
And I am turning to Councillor Lee.

513
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Thank you.

514
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Members of council.

515
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
We have the following.

516
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Proclamation requests have been received and are recommended to be endorsed.

517
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
The first.

518
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
The first being world behavior analysis day on March 20th, 2026.

519
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
And medical laboratory week from April 12 to April 18th, 2026.

520
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Thank you.

521
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
This is second of a councilor.

522
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Leahy.

523
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000
All in favor.

524
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
And that is carried.

525
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I'm moving on to.

526
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000
8.2.

527
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
It's a member and a press cousin supervisor for development.

528
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Construction dated March 9.

529
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Move by Councillor Bazaanowski.

530
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Do you agree?

531
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Yes.

532
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
It's a housekeeping item.

533
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Second by Councillor Shahead.

534
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Do you agree?

535
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
Okay.

536
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Any questions?

537
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
All in favor.

538
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000
And that is carried.

539
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Now we're moving on to committee of the whole planning and development.

540
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,000
And I have from items 9.1 to 9.7.

541
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,000
And I believe that 9.6 has been moved by Councillor Mokahi.

542
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
And I do not have anything else pulled.

543
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
So moved by Councillor Mokahi.

544
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Second by Councillor Cardwell.

545
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,000
On 9.1 to 9.5.

546
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
And then 9.7.

547
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
All in favor.

548
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
And that is carried.

549
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Councillor Mokahi.

550
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Do you still move 9.6.

551
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Second by Councillor Cardwell.

552
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Yes.

553
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Councillor Mokahi.

554
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Has it moved or please?

555
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Yes.

556
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:02,000
I just want to bring for the OPA one last time for one motion that the clerk has in his possession.

557
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,000
This is in relation to 540 Winchester Road north.

558
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000
This is on the north side of Winchester Road.

559
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
It's 540 Winchester Road west.

560
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
I believe is the actual address.

561
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000
And it's on the north side of the road.

562
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Yes.

563
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
The two parcels of land.

564
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
This is the one on the north side.

565
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:31,000
And this is a red designation from designated from prestige to business instead.

566
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,000
And the rationale behind this is that it is on a provincial highway.

567
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:43,000
It is a prime location for a business that could be complementary to the hospital lands.

568
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Or also to the sports facility that we've built in relation to hotel conference center.

569
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
And many different uses that would be significant for the site.

570
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000
And I feel it's important to put forward.

571
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
And Councillor Lengquest is my seconder.

572
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Can we?

573
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
I don't know if it's possible.

574
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Is there an illustration of where these lands are within the report that we can pull up?

575
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Mr. Clerk?

576
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Just to ensure that people are aware.

577
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Councillor Lengquest, do you want to speak to this as a seconder?

578
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,000
I do.

579
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
And I want to be clear that I'm respectful of the position of staff.

580
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,000
And I've kind of toiled over this one because it didn't sit well with me.

581
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Because it's separate and apart from the continuous lands that are prestige employment.

582
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:39,000
And to me, we took a ton of business use out of the OPA in the OPAs.

583
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Turned them into residential.

584
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
And we need business.

585
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000
And frankly, I think it's the right place for it in light of what's coming that area.

586
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:54,000
And so it doesn't actually prevent the other parcels from being a continuous grouping of employment

587
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Prestige employment lands.

588
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,000
And so to me, this is a minor amendment in some ways that makes a ton of sense.

589
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Thank you.

590
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Councilor Leahy. Thank you. So while we're waiting for it. It's up. It's up already. Okay, so it's just the, and it's, is it one side of the street, one side of

591
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,280
the Cochlan, no east west, east or west side of Cochlan of the whole parcel of north.

592
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:29,240
Just just a west side apart, Cochlan. Okay, so my question is through you, madam, mayor, to staff. So how many, do we know

593
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:37,080
how many, I have a couple questions, how many acres is this. And how, if we lose this prestige and

594
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,080
which is very difficult to get.

595
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,080
Where else could we place this prestige industrial somewhere else

596
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,080
in town?

597
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Commissioner.

598
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Answer the first question.

599
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,080
I don't know what the acreage is.

600
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080
It's not large.

601
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Okay.

602
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,080
There is no other opportunity to replace this

603
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,080
with other prestige industrial elsewhere

604
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,080
because essentially the amendments we have before Council now

605
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,080
deal with all of the lands within Whitby that are not part of the

606
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,080
green belt.

607
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:17,080
So when we speak of this as a larger

608
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,080
contiguous employment area, we look at the entire area as

609
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,080
bounded by 47 hydrochord or right through and not

610
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,080
why we refer to it as contiguous.

611
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,080
We're not looking at separation by roads because

612
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:40,080
even we develop a plan of subdivision we separate land by roads.

613
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:46,080
Yes, there was a lot of land redesignated from prestige to

614
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,080
business in response to the changes to the PPS.

615
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,080
And there were further changes through the considerations of Council

616
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,080
at committee a couple of weeks ago.

617
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Frankly, this is not a change that causes me a great deal of concern.

618
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Business is still a designation that's going to generate

619
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,080
employment.

620
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
It's not the same employment as prestige, but it's

621
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,080
employment nonetheless.

622
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,080
I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

623
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,080
So I think that's pretty much it.

624
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Thank you, Commissioner.

625
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Yeah, further supplementary.

626
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,080
Well, if you're not going to lose as much sleep

627
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,080
in about it, then I will neither.

628
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,080
The other three parcels of lands around it, those all

629
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,080
prestige industrial, so we would just have one

630
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,080
quarter would be business and the rest would be

631
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,080
prestige industrial.

632
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,080
That would be the outcome, yes.

633
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,080
And there are there is a draft plan of subdivision on

634
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,080
the other side, on the east side of

635
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,080
that is being considered by staff at this time.

636
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,080
It'll be coming forward for council consideration in

637
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,080
the near future.

638
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Okay, fair enough.

639
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,080
And there's as there are any risk of conflict between business

640
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,080
use and prestige industrial use, because I know

641
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,080
self-wiping others with there's odd conflict, but

642
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,080
don't anticipate any issues.

643
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,080
No, the potential conflict would be between prestige

644
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,080
industrial if it was considered to go to residential

645
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
or another sensitive type use.

646
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Business does not permit those sensitive type

647
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,080
uses either, and that is intentional in the way

648
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,080
that we've developed this new designation to co-exist

649
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:44,080
with and create buffers if you will between residential

650
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,080
and prestige in general industrial.

651
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,080
So it's not a great concern.

652
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,080
Okay, no, those are my questions.

653
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Thank you.

654
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Further?

655
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Councillor Cardwell.

656
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Thank you, Mayor Roy, through you to staff.

657
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Councillor Lee's question pointed out that we lost some

658
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,080
prestige, this would make us lose some prestige industrial

659
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,080
to business.

660
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,080
My question is, how many acres of business land

661
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,080
did we lose with the OPA changes?

662
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,080
Through you, Mayor Roy, we didn't lose any.

663
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,080
We created a new designation.

664
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,080
What happened with the new provincial policy statement,

665
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:29,080
uses that were previously permitted within the

666
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,080
prestige industrial designation, like hotels,

667
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,080
certain amounts of retail commercial uses, for instance,

668
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:44,080
that contribute to an industrial or employment area,

669
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,080
are no longer permitted.

670
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Honestly, I think that's an oversight on the part of the

671
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,080
province, they just didn't fix it.

672
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,080
So we're left to pick up the pieces and come up with a way

673
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,080
to make these areas still work.

674
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,080
So we created a new designation and needed to transfer

675
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:08,080
or redesignate lands to fit into that category to continue

676
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:14,080
to provide a wholesome amount of employment opportunities

677
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,080
that hit the broad spectrum in response to those

678
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,080
decisions on the province.

679
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Thank you, and just a comment, please.

680
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,080
After committee of the whole Councillor Lungquist and I

681
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,080
stayed behind, we spoke to the delegate, the property owner.

682
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,080
He's here with us tonight and shared his vision for what he

683
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,080
wants to do with that land and the jobs he wants to create and

684
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,080
it's exciting.

685
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,080
And he needs this designation of business.

686
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,080
I believe in his vision and I would like to see this

687
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,080
change made tonight.

688
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Thank you.

689
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,080
Further.

690
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Councillor Lee.

691
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Thank you.

692
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Just a few questions, I guess, to commissioner

693
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Saunders on this.

694
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Because my understanding is that we could, at any time the land owner

695
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,080
could do this in the future, should there be an opportunity that

696
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:15,080
presents itself that exists in business, is that correct?

697
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:21,080
Through you, Mayor, to clarify, are you asking if a property owner

698
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,080
could re-designate through a privately initiated

699
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,080
amendment from prestige to business?

700
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Yes.

701
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,080
It's a specific development proposal.

702
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,080
Yes.

703
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Perfect.

704
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,080
That was the big thing, if there's a development proposal that does

705
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,080
that requires this sort of zoning, because right now we're working on

706
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:47,080
hypotheticals as to what use could be for this land where years away from

707
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,080
anything.

708
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,080
And then the second question is, around what all the servicing really,

709
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,080
power, sewer, everything that would be required for any

710
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,080
developments, I don't believe we're anywhere close to having it on

711
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,080
these lands.

712
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Like, we're ages away.

713
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,080
I thought, but maybe I'm wrong.

714
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Through you, Madam Mayor.

715
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:20,080
The ability to service south of the 407 is a different scenario than

716
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,080
north of the 407.

717
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:28,080
I can't say for sure that Hydro will be available to this extent.

718
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,080
But that would all be dealt with once we had something to actually

719
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,080
consider for an actual development proposal.

720
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,080
So I can't say for sure either way at this point.

721
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,080
Okay.

722
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,080
So then just as a follow up to that through you, Mayor.

723
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:50,080
Are we, and I guess this is asking your opinion, if you can give it,

724
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,080
are we sort of ahead of the game here if there's no power, there's no

725
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,080
servicing, we don't have potentially a proposal in front of us.

726
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Are we just jumping ahead of the game here?

727
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,080
No, this is not really ahead of it.

728
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Through you, Madam Mayor, not really.

729
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,080
Whether it's designated prestige, industrial looking forward to the

730
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,080
potential for those types of uses or business that would accommodate

731
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:19,080
those types of uses, the ability to move forward in either

732
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,080
respect is there's no difference.

733
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,080
Okay.

734
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,080
I appreciate it.

735
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Thank you.

736
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080
Further.

737
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080
On the amendment.

738
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,080
All in favor.

739
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,080
Any opposed?

740
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,080
That's carried.

741
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Moving back to the main motion.

742
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Councillor McCoy, you still have the floor.

743
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,080
Well, I want to thank staff for all their effort that they've put through for

744
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080
the OPA.

745
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,080
I know it's been a big project and I certainly will be glad when this is over.

746
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,080
So thank you so much.

747
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:02,080
So to the main motion with the amendment, is there questions?

748
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Not seeing any?

749
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,080
All in favor?

750
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,080
Any opposed?

751
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,080
That is carried.

752
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,080
We're moving on to general government and within general government,

753
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,080
10.1 has been pulled.

754
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,080
10.9 was referred by the committee.

755
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,080
And 10.10 was pulled.

756
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:30,080
On the remainder, moved by Councillor Lanklist, second by Councillor Shahed.

757
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:38,080
10.2 to 10.8 and then 10.11 to 10.12, all in favor.

758
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,080
Any opposed?

759
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,080
And that is carried.

760
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Councillor Shahed, on 10.1?

761
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Will you move?

762
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,080
Yes, please.

763
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
And the Councillor Lanklist?

764
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Thank you so much.

765
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,080
Mayor, I don't have a question, but just a comment if you allow.

766
00:54:54,080 --> 00:55:01,080
Considering that we had the first celebration of 55 plus and on its 50th anniversary,

767
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:08,080
I can just tell you how happy the room was of filled with our senior community and how proud

768
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,080
they were of the 50th anniversary.

769
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:19,080
The reveal of the mural and the guests there and the cake cutting and everything.

770
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:25,080
I could just tell you how happy our 55 plus senior community is of the celebration.

771
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,080
And I know that in the summertime there's ice cream promised as well.

772
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,080
So I will be looking forward to more celebrations.

773
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:40,080
But with that, I'd like to really thank staff how they had put together the whole event and what they have shared

774
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:46,080
with me in the upcoming future event to keep on celebrating the 50th anniversary of 55 plus senior

775
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,080
recreation center.

776
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:59,080
I can tell you, the mural itself was beautiful, depicting the miracles, the winter jacket, and the Canadian flag,

777
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,080
and the small detail of it was just absolutely beautiful.

778
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,080
And at some point I'd like to see a video or a picture of it in the Canada,

779
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:16,080
in the National Anthem that gets played as well because I think it will be a great touch as well if that could be added at some point.

780
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:24,080
But I just want to commend staff on bringing this event and how beautifully it was shared with the community and us.

781
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,080
I really thank you for the hard work for it.

782
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,080
Thank you, Frther.

783
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,080
I'm just going to further make comments.

784
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:45,080
I think that I'm not only just to our staff but it is also our community of volunteers with our 55 plus who put a lot of energy into what does happen at the center.

785
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:52,080
And then lastly is that as the unveiling took place of the mural for many people who didn't know I'll see.

786
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:59,080
But for those of us who did that that mural really represented a lot of what she stood for within our community.

787
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,080
And she stood for within our community and helped a big of a support.

788
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:17,080
She was 255 plus in that with her passing that she made sure that 55 plus had a something a memory with Elsie and that mural is a something that memory will carry on for a very long time.

789
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:23,080
It was great to see a young local artist was a part of that event as well too.

790
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,080
And that is carried.

791
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Moving on to 10 10.

792
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Deputy Mayor Lee, can you take over and I will move the motion.

793
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,080
Absolutely.

794
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:43,080
I will bring this up here as item 10 to point 10 which is the hotel in conference center attraction program.

795
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,080
And Mayor Roy, I have you is moving it.

796
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,080
We will need a second or I don't know if you have one for that or.

797
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Probably cancel one question.

798
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:55,080
I will take that and Mayor Roy would you like to speak to this first.

799
00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:08,080
I would like to first think staff are working together with this but also with our economic development team and pulling together this strategy and council for supporting that hotel strategy.

800
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:19,080
I know that there was a reference meeting in the committee of the whole to a potential investor that was in 2019 and I think there needs to be a point to clarity for.

801
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:32,080
That proposal that move forward and that proposal for that purchase and going into purchase agreement was a unanimous vote that was publicly made by the council of the day to.

802
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,080
To seek that venture and.

803
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:44,080
I know that the time made on Mitchell spoke of it highly and our commissioner of community services Mr. Label.

804
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:54,080
He was also working very hard and our staff through economic development are reaching out to potential investors for different portions of land.

805
00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:05,080
And I did actually reach out to the past interested party today to see if they would be interested, especially around the motion that is in front of us and.

806
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:18,080
That maybe a potential of a conversation and reinvigorating a previous conversation for investment within our community and I don't know if this is the first of its kind across the province of Ontario but.

807
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:30,080
With the deferral development charges that we need to recognize that this is not about taking out the tax base but we will be getting the investment into this and that the development charges will be paid.

808
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:37,080
This isn't about relieving development charges this is about the deferral and to allow for that development to move forward.

809
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Our business community is ecstatic by this action of council to move forward as is our.

810
00:59:44,080 --> 01:00:00,080
Tourism and also our sports organizations are very excited and the response has been nothing but positive and I will be asking for a recorded vote this evening because I think this is an illustration of investing into our community.

811
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Through actions that, when you need to make some bold decisions, well, the economy is not doing well. This is where we need to be making a bold decision collectively as a council.

812
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Thank you. Councilor Lengquist is a seconder. Would you like to speak as well?

813
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:29,000
Yes, I'll be very brief. I'm glad that the Mayor clarified that because there was some chatter online that I think was suggesting that in some way we were giving a free ride to potentially corporate interests on the backs of taxpayers, and clearly that isn't the case.

814
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:35,000
This is something that has been talked about since I've been on council and clearly previous to that.

815
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:58,000
The need has been identified, and I am hopeful that everybody will support it because as we grow and we open things like large wreck centers in Brooklyn, and we attract more supporting activity, et cetera. We're going to need it, but also I will point out that yesterday was international women's day, happy international women's day to anybody who identifies in that way.

816
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:08,000
And many of the events that I went to were not in Whitby. They were held outside of Whitby because we don't have the facilities to host those kinds of events of the size that occurred.

817
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:15,000
So I appreciate the motion. I'm happy to second it, and I look forward to voting on it. Thank you.

818
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Thank you. Councilor Shade, please.

819
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:26,000
Thank you so much through you, Deputy Mayor Lee. I would be wholeheartedly supporting it.

820
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:41,000
This is a community need of yesterday, which has really in demand, and I can tell you that even with our, and this has been noted by Councillor Cartewell, I believe that even our would be chamber biggest event happens in Ajax.

821
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:58,000
Two women's day events that I attended were in Ajax, and one was in Toronto. So I mean, we don't have capacity, the largest within the town of Whitby as a corporation is hidden shore pavilion, and that houses just about 200 people.

822
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:18,000
The rest are in Oshawa or Ajax, and we are always within these communities because our big events are happening over there. So I will be supporting it. I will be making sure that I work with staff and town of Whitby Council to make sure that this dream comes to a realization.

823
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:29,000
And I know our community will celebrate. There will be lot more weddings happening here. There will be lot more happening. Happy events happening here. So I will be supporting it all already. Thank you.

824
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Thank you. Any further? Councillor Cartewell.

825
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:39,000
Thank you, Chair Lee. Just a quick question to direct Deputy CAO, Klein, I apologize.

826
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Regarding if this gets done and it's built and it's starting to see events there and the hotels full.

827
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Could you speak to the potential revenue that would bring in through the Mattax?

828
01:02:50,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Through you, Chair Lee, to Councillor Cartewell, currently our municipal accommodation tax. There is a 4% charge for individuals who are staying and that comes to the municipality which we can then use 50% for the tourism entity for marketing and promotion.

829
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:23,000
50% comes to the town of Whitby to be able to support tourism initiatives. So ultimately additional hotel and a conference center that will result in more revenue that we can then use to enhance tourism in our municipality.

830
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Thank you. My understanding is the silver stick weekend for both the boys and the girls. We see families from out of town having to stay in Scarborough and Markham.

831
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Because we don't have the capacity and Whitby and that's unfortunate we're missing out on potential Mattax revenue.

832
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:50,000
But also for the families not wanting to commute on game day 25, 30 minutes just so their kid can play a game and then inevitably try back to the hotel and come back and do it all over again.

833
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:58,000
So I think this is a great. I said it at Calvin now that I have the opportunity to say it again looking forward to this looking forward to voting in favor.

834
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,000
Thank you. Any further?

835
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Seeing none. I just will make a couple of quick comments. This is actually quite good. I really hope that this comes to fruition in the next couple of years because we've had quite a bit of demand and residents wanting more hotel options.

836
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:26,000
Not only for capacity across the town but just location wise you know in the north with the new court sports complex and not having any hotels.

837
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:34,000
I think this will be quite good and if we can get to out of it and all the better for the Mattax revenue is well too.

838
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,000
So thank you and I will call the question on this. All in favor.

839
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Oh yes of course. I forgot about that. Mr. Clerk if you wouldn't mind doing the recorded vote on this place.

840
01:04:47,000 --> 01:05:05,000
There's Councillor Bosnabsky. Yes. Councillor Cairdwell. Yes. Councillor Leahy. Yep. Councillor Leahy. Yes. Councillor Lundquist. Yes. Councillor Malkai. Yes. Councillor Shehid. Yes. Councillor Yamada. Yes. Mayor Roy. Yes.

841
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Deputy Mayor that vote passes unanimously. Thank you and I will turn the chair back over to Mayor Roy to continue on.

842
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Thank you and we are finished with general government. We are going to now move on to no submissions. So we're moving on to 2.1.

843
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:29,000
This motion public disclosure of legal advice. Notice a motion on proposed amendments to the purchasing policy.

844
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:38,000
Move by Councillor Lundquist and second by Councillor Shehid's Councillor Lundquist and is the motion yet the motions up on the screen.

845
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Thank you, Mayor Roy. This arises after the conversation we had at committee of the whole last two weeks. I don't know when it was on every 20 it all blends in.

846
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:57,000
This motion I think is important because of the conversations that we've been having at this table.

847
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:07,000
So in my view this motion is really about ensuring that council decisions are grounded and clear understanding of legal frameworks.

848
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:18,000
The government municipal authority. The legal opinion obtained by the towns spoke directly to the significant challenges associated with the temporary framework or motion.

849
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:31,000
And address core issues that the municipality about the municipality having to act within its authority granted to them by provincial law and federal 2 under the heads of powers.

850
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:42,000
I think it's important that this goes into the public is because of the conversation that was so broadly had in the public that was a gross misunderstanding in my view.

851
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:49,000
When a motion is ultra-virus it is not simply controversial. It's outside of the legal powers of our council.

852
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:59,000
I'm releasing the opinion will allow residents to understand the analysis provided to us and the jurisdictional limitations that apply to municipal governance.

853
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,000
And I think that's important because transparency in what we're doing in why.

854
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:10,000
It's not meant to shut down conversation. It's meant to understand the authority that we have and do not have.

855
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:24,000
So to me, this motion really explains clearly why the decision was made last week by members of council who relied on the opinion to determine that we should not proceed.

856
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:37,000
And so I'm hopeful that council will be prepared to release the opinion and wave its privilege and allow residents to see the framework that impacted that council decision.

857
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:47,000
I think more broadly, you know, we talk about accountability and transparency and when we're having broad scale discussions about this in public forums.

858
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:53,000
It's particularly important that the public understands what is driving our decision making. Thank you.

859
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Thank you so much. I'll just say I won't be able to put it that eloquently council on quest, but I could definitely say that it is very important that we wave the privileges of this particular advice that we got from.

860
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:26,000
And we want to make sure that it is very clear of what our scope as council is and what is our jurisdiction and where is the line that we can walk over or we can't.

861
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:33,000
And it is very important that we are very transparent about and as you had said when the meeting had started.

862
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:45,000
We have a bunch of duties as counsellors municipal counsellors that we need to adhere to and stick to and that's where our jurisdiction is when we go above and beyond.

863
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:57,000
We are stepping into jurisdiction of provincial and federal which we have no hold over and sometimes discussing that can be messy and I can tell you that it was getting messy on social media.

864
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:06,000
There were some very level headed people who were voicing their concerns on it and they were very well at concerns they wrote to me.

865
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:16,000
They wrote to the entire council members of why that motion was so far away from our jurisdiction but also it was getting very racial as well.

866
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:25,000
So I would rather stay away from it. I'm staying away from it. Marrow, I'm just saying it. So I would be so heartedly supporting this and thank you so much.

867
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
Councillor Yamada.

868
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
Thank you through you to staff.

869
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,000
What triggers the legal opinion when a member brings a motion forward?

870
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Commissioner.

871
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Through the mayor to counsellor Yamada circumstances where there may be legal advice that council should be aware of and in the context of the motion.

872
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Could this not have been done in house? Why or why not?

873
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,000
Through you Madam Mayor, it could have been done in house.

874
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:16,000
In this instance we chose to go externally to ensure that we had the full expertise of the lawyer in the firm to provide advice on a matter that had a multitude of different legal aspects.

875
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:26,000
If a member brings a motion forward is it now practice to go outside to get legal opinion?

876
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Through the mayor, I wouldn't say it's practice to go external.

877
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:42,000
I think there's a judgment call that's made in terms of when we would go internal versus external depending on expertise, depending on time availability and

878
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:48,000
the primarily at timing and availability and expertise that we would have in house.

879
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,000
What was the cost of the legal opinion?

880
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
Through you Madam Mayor, I cannot share that.

881
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:04,000
I'd like to have an amendment then that we had the cost as to disclose the cost of the legal opinion is 0.3.

882
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,000
Secondary council.

883
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,000
So to the amendment, can we have it up first?

884
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,000
Number three.

885
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Is that correct?

886
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000
Yes.

887
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,000
Secondary?

888
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Is that correct?

889
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,000
House range is fine.

890
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Thank you.

891
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Councilor, you want to speak to it?

892
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,000
I just think if we are looking at more openness and transparency, I'm asking about the cost.

893
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,000
I think that should be made.

894
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Made available to the public as well, especially if down the road, we could be seeing more of these legal opinions in our inboxes when members of council bring motions forward.

895
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,000
I think it's also just for clarity to help to assist.

896
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:04,000
This request actually came from another member of council.

897
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
So.

898
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:13,000
And so this is not the first time a member of council has made a request for an alternate legal opinion.

899
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,000
And we have gone outside.

900
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
The practice has been the same.

901
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,000
And in this situation, if the practice was the same.

902
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,000
So I guess my question then maybe through.

903
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
You to the CAO or or.

904
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,000
Yeah, CAO is prepared to speak as I know.

905
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,000
In terms of a member of council.

906
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,000
Asking for a legal opinion.

907
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,000
What is the process?

908
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,000
I would think something like that would have to be.

909
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Brought to council to ask if we are going to spend money.

910
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,000
On a legal opinion that.

911
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,000
We get.

912
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,000
That authorization from council.

913
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,000
To see you.

914
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,000
Through you, Madam Mayor.

915
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,000
Generally speaking.

916
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Administration, particularly the town solicitor has the residual discretion to.

917
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:08,000
And financial capacity to seek external legal advice when required.

918
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
In a situation like this.

919
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,000
It is.

920
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Where there is a perception that there may be some exposure to the town.

921
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:26,000
In implementing a motion that a member of council has brought.

922
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,000
And it is perceived that it is.

923
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:38,000
The responsibility of staff to be able to provide the best advice possible to council on whether or not that motion will expose the town to potential liability.

924
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:43,000
In those instances, yes, we will either generate an internal legal opinion or.

925
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:48,000
If we require particular expertise or from a timing perspective or what have you.

926
01:13:48,000 --> 01:14:00,000
We will go outside and I think in this particular instance, it was both an expertise issue and a timing issue that suggested we go outside.

927
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:06,000
But the motivation was really on the basis that there was concern.

928
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:13,000
By staff that there was the potential that.

929
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:23,000
The town could ultimately be exposed in the event that this motion was passed and we wanted to make certain that we could advise council appropriately.

930
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,000
In the course of that decision.

931
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Okay, thank you.

932
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,000
So we have a motion that's an amendment number three.

933
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
Council on quest.

934
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,000
I just have one very simple question.

935
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,000
The commissioner indicated that he wouldn't or couldn't provide the cost amount.

936
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,000
Can you explain to council, why you indicated that, please?

937
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Commissioner.

938
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Through the mayor to council room on quest.

939
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,000
When we obtain legal services.

940
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:58,000
The retainer, the cost, the hourly rates, the there's a flat rate.

941
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Those are all privilege.

942
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:20,000
And confidential information. They are also financially sensitive information that the town receives, and if disclosed, could put us in a negative position in the future, trying to negotiate with lawyers and with others to obtain legal services.

943
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:39,000
So my advice is almost always to not release the specific costs. We have released general costs or a cost range in the past, but my first advice would always be to keep that confidential.

944
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,000
If we can, to preserve our bargaining ability in the future.

945
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,000
I appreciate that. Thank you, Commissioner.

946
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:51,000
Thank you, Mayor. I know we set around the status all the time. We keep talking about transparency. So I'll be transparent.

947
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:58,000
I was the counselor who asked for the opinion, because when I can be as frank as possible, the motion that was put forward was absolute garbage.

948
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:07,000
It was offensive. It was xenophobic. And I had serious issues with it. It was illegal to say the least.

949
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:15,000
And I didn't think it was fair as a counselor to be forced to sit here and debate something that was xenophobic and racist tonight.

950
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,000
And that was my opinion. I made it publicly. I made it privately and I shared it with anybody who asked.

951
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:32,000
So if we want to go ahead and make that cost public, I have no problem doing so. You can pin the entire cost on me because I just think it's incredibly unfair that we're asked to sit here.

952
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:37,000
And we're asked to talk about federal policy that has nothing to do with us.

953
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:43,000
So in the next couple of weeks, I will be bringing a motion forward to this council that asked that we stop doing this.

954
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:51,000
That we stop pinning things on each other that we stop that we have to stop literally sitting here and talking about federal things that have nothing to do with this municipality.

955
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,000
So I have no problem sharing the cost. I have no problem going.

956
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:59,000
But council laws not to your question. No issue with it whatsoever.

957
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,000
I'll say the rest of my comments for the rest of the the entire motion.

958
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Council.

959
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:17,000
Thank you so much. Through you, Mayor Roy. I just wanted to ask our Mr. Sandigita a question of the fact that would he be comfortable with the cost range.

960
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,000
Commissioner.

961
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,000
I know it says that. I'm just asking.

962
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Through the chair to Councillor she hid.

963
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:33,000
As I said, my first preference would be that we do not chair any costs.

964
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:43,000
However, if if it is the desire of council to give an idea of what the cost would be, I would prefer a range as opposed to any sort of specific number.

965
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Thank you. May I request a motion to divide?

966
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,000
We're just dealing with number three right now.

967
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Thank you.

968
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,000
Councillor Lee.

969
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Thank you.

970
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Through you, Madam Mayor, to staff.

971
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:11,000
So on that thing, when the motion says to provide general cost of range, can you not adjust that range to a level that will not give away divulge any state secrets or our buying power or ability to negotiate in the future?

972
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:17,000
Through you, Madam Mayor, that would be my intent or that's how I would read the motion.

973
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,000
But I would not. Again, I've made my position clear.

974
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:30,000
No, just that was I think that's part of it. Why a range was included to give you that caution that you provided but still provide transparency of what was spent.

975
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,000
So fully supported the amendment. Thank you.

976
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,000
Further.

977
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,000
Recorded vote.

978
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:44,000
I'm actually going to support this in the reason why could be in the outcome of what could have happened with that motion had to come forward.

979
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,000
And the cost that would have laid upon us.

980
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,000
Mr. Clerk.

981
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Number three.

982
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
On the amendment. Recorded vote. Councillor Bazaan, obviously.

983
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Yes.

984
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,000
Councillor Cardwell.

985
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,000
Yes.

986
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
Councillor Lee.

987
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Yes.

988
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Councillor Lundquist.

989
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,000
Yes.

990
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Councillor Malkai.

991
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Yes.

992
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Councillor Shahid.

993
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Yes.

994
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Councillor Yamada.

995
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,000
Yes.

996
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000
You were ship that will pass this unanimously.

997
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,000
Thank you.

998
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,000
And as amended with number three.

999
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Any further to the Councillor Yamada, you did make the amendment.

1000
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
But did you want to speak further to the whole motion?

1001
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,000
No.

1002
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,000
Thank you.

1003
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,000
Further.

1004
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,000
Councillor Lee.

1005
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,000
Yes. Thank you.

1006
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,000
So no.

1007
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
And I appreciate people's caution and concern.

1008
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:41,000
I guess my first question to go back is that can you point out where in the motion it was actually asking for anything other than a report.

1009
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
That would actually cause a decision.

1010
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Councillor Renats speaking to the motion.

1011
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,000
I'm talking about your original motion.

1012
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,000
No.

1013
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,000
I'm talking about the legal opinion.

1014
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,000
So the legal opinion.

1015
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,000
The releasing of the legal opinion.

1016
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,000
Okay.

1017
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,000
So I misunderstood.

1018
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
I thought you were going to your original motion.

1019
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,000
Repeat what you just said.

1020
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Yeah.

1021
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
So again, so we're asking to release the legal opinion.

1022
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Yes.

1023
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,000
And it's also been mentioned here.

1024
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Yes.

1025
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000
The direction could have made to put the town in jeopardy.

1026
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,000
There was where in the motion was it actually asking for direction.

1027
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,000
It only asked for reports on trying to understand the leap.

1028
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
But this is the part here.

1029
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,000
You're talking about your motion that you were originally going to bring forward.

1030
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,000
That's.

1031
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,000
So we are not going to go back to that motion.

1032
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:34,000
The motion in front of us is to release the legal opinion.

1033
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,000
That's the context of what we are discussing tonight.

1034
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
The release in the legal opinion.

1035
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
There was a legal opinion.

1036
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,000
And they asked with this motion is to wave its confidentiality.

1037
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:49,000
And as for the context of the February 20th.

1038
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
Potential of a motion.

1039
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,000
That is not a part of this discussion.

1040
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Well, it seems relevant.

1041
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
What can I rephrase it?

1042
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,000
So our motions requesting report ever out of order.

1043
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Like it's just asking for a report.

1044
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,000
It's not actually making a decision.

1045
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,000
The content.

1046
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:13,000
And if you go back to the out of order and why it was rule out of order, it was about the jurisdiction.

1047
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,000
And it was about 15.5.

1048
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,000
But it's just asking for a report.

1049
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,000
And on the other different piece.

1050
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,000
So moving forward on.

1051
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Legal opinions.

1052
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,000
So it basically the way that I understand the process.

1053
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:34,000
So if a member of council asks and legal agrees, they'll continue that practice.

1054
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:41,000
So if the legal opinion is asked and it's dependent on the conversation that may even take place with the CAO.

1055
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,000
And with our legal department as to what capacity they have.

1056
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:51,000
What they can in terms of their interpretation to be able to give an opinion.

1057
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:57,000
And if they don't have the depth to give that full opinion, then there is an opportunity to go outside.

1058
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:02,000
However, in the situation, a council member can make a request.

1059
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:09,000
And you have yourself have made a request for a legal opinion where there was a motion that was brought forward.

1060
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,000
And a direction.

1061
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:18,000
And the CAO worked with the solicitor to be able to get an outside opinion to bring it back in.

1062
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,000
It's not the first time.

1063
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,000
It's not the last time.

1064
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:26,000
And actually in support for the request of that point in time.

1065
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:31,000
It is one where every council has a right to bring a motion forward.

1066
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:38,000
But the context and the content of the motion should be within their scope of practice is a miscible leader.

1067
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,000
Not as a federal leader, not as a provincial leader.

1068
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:47,000
And there were concerns, and there were like serious concerns that were raised by members of council.

1069
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Which, if they're going to be making an opinion in a decision, something that's been published, then they have that right to have a legal opinion that supports or does not support.

1070
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,000
The ability to have a conversation and a debate.

1071
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,000
And is it art within our scope to be debating it?

1072
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,000
Yeah, no problem with it.

1073
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Just looking for clarity for when it happens again in the future.

1074
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,000
I appreciate it.

1075
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:24,000
And the so-for clarity, great word for tonight, is that for clarity, as we take a look at anything that comes in front of us.

1076
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,000
It's not a simple decision to say the mayor is making the decision.

1077
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,000
It's the CAO making decision or it's a solicitor.

1078
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:44,000
There will be a dialogue of if it was beyond the ability of just a simple opinion in a simple one that needed more involvement for legal.

1079
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:55,000
I do believe the CAO would come back to council and to bring a motion forward to ask and request that council support because if it's like a substantial amount of money.

1080
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:01,000
And we do give the jurisdiction to the CAO to give the right to look for advice and protect a corporation as well.

1081
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Yeah, no, I completely agree.

1082
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,000
Yeah.

1083
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,000
Don't unhappy for that.

1084
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:20,000
So anyways, I guess the other challenge on this piece is that anyway, so now that we have the legal opinion, we can re-word the motion and be in line with what they're in and we can debate it next meeting.

1085
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,000
So today we're talking about this motion and release of the legal opinion.

1086
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.

1087
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Councillor Bazaanowski.

1088
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,000
Thank you, Mayor.

1089
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:35,000
Just some comments, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should be doing that.

1090
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:43,000
And when I say that, that means bringing motions forward that have nothing to do with bringing the municipalities business forward.

1091
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,000
I can bring a motion here and talk about the death penalty, but why would I do that?

1092
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,000
This is not the right stage for that, and it makes no sense.

1093
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,000
In fact, all I'm doing is wasting everybody's time.

1094
01:24:53,000 --> 01:25:04,000
And when you're bringing motions forward that have nothing to do with the power of the municipality and we're debating federal policy, you're wasting everybody's time.

1095
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
And not just my time or staff's time, you're wasting the residence time.

1096
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:13,000
And then having to go and get legal opinions to prevent these motions from coming forward.

1097
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000
Honestly, it's ridiculous.

1098
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000
It's ridiculous.

1099
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000
It's embarrassing.

1100
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,000
I mean, we deserve better.

1101
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,000
We deserve better is fellow counselors.

1102
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:29,000
We deserve better is humans and our residents deserve so much more from us than bringing forward motions that are xenophobic.

1103
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
That's what it was.

1104
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
It was garbage and it was xenophobic.

1105
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:38,000
So if I had to ask for a legal opinion to prevent it from being debated, then I'm going to keep doing that.

1106
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,000
But I really hope that we do learn to respect each other.

1107
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:47,000
That we learn to respect our residents and we stop doing that because it is a waste of everybody's time.

1108
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:55,000
So in the next coming weeks, I will be bringing a motion forward to have a look at our procedure by a lot to prevent these motions from continuously reoccurring.

1109
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Because it's embarrassing.

1110
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,000
If you're having that published on the agenda, it's embarrassing.

1111
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,000
It's embarrassing to any civil immigrant out here.

1112
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:08,000
Any immigrant that's helped contribute to the town of Wippy to anyone who knows law.

1113
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,000
I mean, it's just such a slap in the face.

1114
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,000
I can go on and on and I won't because it makes me so angry.

1115
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:18,000
And we'll leave that motion there where it deserves to be and hopefully it's dead and it never comes back.

1116
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:23,000
And it's just disappointing that we even have to go through this and I'll leave it there.

1117
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000
Councillor Cardwell.

1118
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,000
Thank you, Mayor Roy.

1119
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Through you to Commissioner Santa Guida.

1120
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,000
Quick question.

1121
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:35,000
You cautioned on releasing how much this cost the town would be to do.

1122
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000
But in all of you answered, is there any harm to the town to wait privilege on this?

1123
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,000
Thank you.

1124
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,000
Through you, Madam Mayor.

1125
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,000
There is always risk.

1126
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,000
And it's about quantifying that risk.

1127
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:56,000
Solicitor client privilege is one of the cornerstones of a legal relationship.

1128
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:03,000
It ensures that a client, which in this case is the town, is governed by the nine members of council.

1129
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:13,000
And by self as the solicitor are able to have candid and honest conversations.

1130
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:19,000
I would commend to council that if they are considering to wave privilege in this instance.

1131
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:26,000
That they consider any risks that that may be present in doing so.

1132
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:33,000
And understand that there could be risks that are unforeseen that arise as a result of it.

1133
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:39,000
And lastly, that if we wave privilege on this, there's no taking it back.

1134
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,000
Once it's out there, it's out there.

1135
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:48,000
And we, we have, we are behold into that decision.

1136
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,000
So if we want to talk more specifically about the risks, we would have to go in camera.

1137
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,000
I'll just leave it at that.

1138
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
I don't think, thank you. I don't think that'll be necessary.

1139
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:07,000
And another question to the CAO and, and Mayor, you can correct me if this is, if this is out of order.

1140
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Say we wave the privilege and say we want to know, we want the public to know what the legal opinion costs.

1141
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Just a common on the cost versus the potential liability.

1142
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,000
Is it okay to comment on that?

1143
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,000
Commissioner. OK, sure.

1144
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,000
CAO.

1145
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,000
As Commissioner Santigrid has said, ultimately, the privilege is councils.

1146
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,000
Council can decide to wave it or or not.

1147
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:49,000
I think under the circumstances that the whatever the cost was, it was money well spent in order to make sure that the town is not going into an area that was inappropriate and could expose it to liability.

1148
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,000
Thank you. That is all.

1149
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,000
I have no further speakers.

1150
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,000
Council should head.

1151
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:01,000
Through you, Mayor Roy, just for clarity, now we are dealing with the entire motion.

1152
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,000
Or is point one and two, all of them all of it.

1153
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
One, two, three.

1154
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,000
That's good enough.

1155
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,000
And I believe my council member, specifically council boss,

1156
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,000
Novsky spoke very well about it.

1157
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,000
And I will be supporting which he said further of what she would be bringing.

1158
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,000
I have one question.

1159
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:32,000
There was a motion that I had brought months ago or over a year ago which quantifies everything that drops in a bucket of kind of calculating what

1160
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000
happens.

1161
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
It becomes a tax end of it.

1162
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:42,000
For you on us, your motion was about the impact of the exactly of a motion onto your tax base.

1163
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,000
Yes.

1164
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:56,000
So my question to that is that any members who knows their place and triggers a motion that is out of order despite the staff telling them that is out of order or this should not be brought forward.

1165
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000
And then other expenses triggers on top of it.

1166
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Does that.

1167
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,000
To be calculated as well, it could be. And do I need to bring another motion to quantify that, or it automatically happens?

1168
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:23,000
So, which should, and I think that this needs to be actually figured out in a procedure with the commissioner as to, the moving forward, how that actually will be managed.

1169
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:35,000
And we have motions that have come forward where the action has been an outcome of cost, and the cost is not known prior to a decision being made by council.

1170
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:42,000
And I think we really need to tighten that up. So, between commissioner Wang and our CAO and our clerps.

1171
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:49,000
This is an opportunity to take a look at how we can do that differently, and we can do it better in accordance to your motion.

1172
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:56,000
Then I'm going to speak to Commissioner Wang and CAO if they need a motion from me further to tighten that.

1173
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,000
I don't think we need a motion. This is just friendly and they'll help us.

1174
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,000
All right, I'd be happy to support that when that comes forward. Thank you so much, Mayor.

1175
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:11,000
Okay. So, I have no further, and there's a recorded vote, Mr. Clerk. All motion.

1176
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:32,000
Recorded vote on the entire motion. Councilor Bozenovski. Yes. Councilor Cardwell. Yes. Councilor Leahy. Yes. Councilor Lee. Yes. Councilor Lundquist. Yes. Councilor Mokai. Yes. Councilor Shihid. Yes. Councilor Yamada. Yes. Mayor Roy. Yes. You worship that vote, carries unanimously. Thank you.

1177
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:40,000
Moving on to now 12.3. I'm going to ask the deputy mayor to assume the chair, and I will be pleased to move the motion.

1178
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:55,000
Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to get the right one here. So we have the motion in front and enhancing municipal accountability.

1179
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:59,000
Mandatory disclosure of third party consultants.

1180
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:05,000
And obviously, Mayor, you would like to move this. I have a seconder of Councilor Lundquist. Is that still good with you, Councillor? Perfect.

1181
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,000
And Mayor, would you like to speak to this please? I'm going to reserve my right to speak later.

1182
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:24,000
Absolutely. I will circle back to Councillor Lundquist as a seconder. Thank you. I actually have an amendment that Clerk should have. Okay. We can get that up there if we can, Mr. Clerk, please.

1183
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:52,000
So we have that coming up there. Is that correct? Councilor Lundquist? It keeps moving. So I'm just going to need a minute to. It's okay.

1184
01:32:53,000 --> 01:33:02,000
Okay. Perfect. So we have on the floor currently about the amendment only. Would you like to speak to that first?

1185
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:11,000
Yes. So I felt that the motion needed a little bit more clarity and a little bit more substance in terms of lobbyists.

1186
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:24,000
I am very familiar with the provincial and federal lobbyist registry. Having been both a lobbyist in my employment and also having been lobbied extensively.

1187
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:34,000
But I think that we have a gap in municipal governance and I think it's important that transparency is seen to be done at this table.

1188
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:41,000
And if we are meeting with people and they are influencing our decisions, there needs to be a public disclosure of that.

1189
01:33:41,000 --> 01:34:02,000
I appreciated the submission of the delegate today because I think sometimes we position ourselves as oppositional to each other just because and I don't think we need to do that. I think we can look at good ideas from every angle and decide that this makes sense.

1190
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,000
And to me, this is complementary to the motion and it makes sense and I'm hopeful that council will support it. Thank you.

1191
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:14,000
Thank you. Councillor. Any further on the amendment.

1192
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,000
Councillor.

1193
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:29,000
I'd like to just be a bit transparent and the question did come to one of the delegate mentioning the campaign school. The campaign school was started by me and I'm happy to be transparent about that.

1194
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,000
So Councillor. I'm just coming to the question through you.

1195
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:37,000
Just on the amendment though, please we can hold off on anything else for the main motion.

1196
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:45,000
I would be fully supportive of it. I think it is a great amendment and I would be supporting it for wholeheartedly.

1197
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,000
Thank you so much and thank you for letting me make that disclosure.

1198
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:53,000
Of course. Any further on the amendment, Councillor.

1199
01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Can we qualify what is meant by any successor legislation? Is there anything else coming in context of bill nine that would be included within what is being asked to do in point three?

1200
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:26,000
Mayor Roy you were the mover. Do you have that sort of part of the original motion if you wish to just clarify that for sentence I guess?

1201
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,000
I'm not turning on.

1202
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,000
Are we broken the mic so they still work?

1203
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,000
Okay. Now it's working.

1204
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:52,000
You're dealing with the amendment, but just with any successor legislation that if there is any future legislation that we adopt as we move forward with this.

1205
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,000
Anything further, Councillor.

1206
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:04,000
So within this point three, we're asking the provincial government to do this.

1207
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,000
It's my understanding.

1208
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:17,000
I'm not reading it that way. I'm reading and we're asking the integrity commissioner and staff to report back, but.

1209
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:30,000
So it's a report back with a framework that we would implement as this council, so we're not asking the provincial government in any way, because we're asking subject to the adoption of bill nine and successor legislation.

1210
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:37,000
So I would say we have to hold that off because this is not the amendment, but we can definitely circle back to you on that with the main motion for sure.

1211
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:42,000
If the amendment changes sort of what point three is talking about, no?

1212
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,000
If I may not am there for clarity. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Deputy Mayor Lee.

1213
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,000
Please go ahead.

1214
01:36:51,000 --> 01:37:02,000
So the successor legislation piece, I mean, Bill 9 could die and they could introduce something quite quickly, you know, to change it thereafter, so to me that is the purpose of that.

1215
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:10,000
The, the other piece, though, the municipality has the ability to do this under the municipal act, and I would like.

1216
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:23,000
Either commissioner Santa Greeda or CIO gas school to speak to that, because I confirmed that before I actually sought to have a lobbyist registry created for our municipality.

1217
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,000
And in fact, there are the lobbyist registries and other municipalities.

1218
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,000
So.

1219
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:38,000
Commissioner, did you want to speak to that? I'm going to we're going to make three all as one, because otherwise we're trying to separate out sentences, it makes no sense.

1220
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:44,000
So if you would like to be to it or CIO, whoever, I'll let you fight amongst yourselves to who goes first.

1221
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:54,000
Through you, Deputy Mayor, yes, under the municipal act, I mean, this building can create an impose a lot of lobbyist registry.

1222
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,000
Councilor, you mad.

1223
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:02,000
I'm, I'm opening, I think fall of number three if, if there's anything further that you have there just to make it easier.

1224
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Nothing further, thank you.

1225
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,000
Thank you.

1226
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Councilor, she had.

1227
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:11,000
I would just probably, this is a clarity question for CIO.

1228
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:18,000
With the region, I believe that there is that Corp and other corporations registered with the region.

1229
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
Does that region has a registry.

1230
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Through you, Deputy Mayor, I don't believe that the region does.

1231
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:39,000
I know that at least one area municipality in Durham region does pickering and so lobbyist registry.

1232
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,000
But the region does not to mine.

1233
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,000
Okay.

1234
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,000
Well, maybe then we could just go have our findings.

1235
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:51,000
If who does it, how they do it and what's the best practice and then assume that, I guess.

1236
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:55,000
But I leave it to you and your work wants this motion passes.

1237
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,000
Thank you.

1238
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
Thank you, Councillor.

1239
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,000
Any further on the amendment, Councillor May he please.

1240
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,000
Thank you.

1241
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,000
Through you, Deputy Mayor, staff.

1242
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:09,000
So when that report comes back, can we get what the projected annual cost is going to be to maintain this registry.

1243
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,000
At least an estimate and that included in that report.

1244
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,000
I'm seeing lots of head shaking yes, so we'll go with that.

1245
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,000
All right.

1246
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,000
My only question.

1247
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,000
Thank you.

1248
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,000
Perfect.

1249
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,000
Any further.

1250
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,000
So on the amendment, did we have a recorded on this Mr. Corp?

1251
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,000
No.

1252
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,000
Perfect.

1253
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,000
So on the amendment only, all in favor please.

1254
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,000
That passes.

1255
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,000
So we will move on to the main motion.

1256
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:40,000
And Councillor Lungquist, because of the quickness of the amendment.

1257
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:44,000
Do you have anything to speak on the main motion or?

1258
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:50,000
I think I covered some of my main points on the amendment.

1259
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,000
So I will withhold for the moment.

1260
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000
I can circle back up.

1261
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,000
Absolutely.

1262
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,000
So members all open it up on the main motion.

1263
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,000
Any members wish to speak to the main motion.

1264
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,000
Councillor Cardwell.

1265
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Thank you, Chair Lee.

1266
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,000
I thought about this a lot.

1267
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,000
I think we all have.

1268
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,000
We were all asked to comment in the wippy this week.

1269
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:23,000
To Tim Kelly whether this even applied to us and the supermajority or all of council said,

1270
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,000
know that it didn't.

1271
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,000
But I understand the significance of it.

1272
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,000
I understand the importance that moving forward.

1273
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,000
Maybe there are things that I'm not aware of happening.

1274
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:40,000
I think and delegate street spoke very well about the significance and importance of accountability.

1275
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:46,000
I don't think any one of this table and according to Councillor Layhee from earlier has a problem with more accountability

1276
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,000
or transparency.

1277
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:56,000
And so this establishes a, well, it will establish a well laid out.

1278
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:01,000
Even playing field for those that want to utilize third parties.

1279
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:02,000
And that's okay.

1280
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,000
They're not doing anything wrong.

1281
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:12,000
But it'll be nice to be transparent about it for us to know the other members of council and the public to know who these third parties are,

1282
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,000
what activities they're doing and how they're helping.

1283
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,000
So I appreciate the motion.

1284
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,000
I thank it for coming forward.

1285
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:24,000
I will be interested to see how it's laid out and then enforced.

1286
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:30,000
That will be a big part of it enforcement because people I believe have to pretty much voluntarily

1287
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:38,000
register or reveal that their third party or the council will have to let people know or the registry know about it.

1288
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,000
But I'm looking forward to seeing how it rolls out.

1289
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,000
I'm looking forward to the end result.

1290
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,000
I'm looking forward to a greater transparency for the community.

1291
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,000
That's what everybody asks.

1292
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,000
That's what everybody around this table wants.

1293
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,000
And looking forward to it, Mayor.

1294
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,000
Thank you.

1295
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,000
Thank you.

1296
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,000
I saw Councillor Bosnowski's hand first.

1297
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,000
And then I will come right back to your council.

1298
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,000
Are you okay?

1299
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,000
Councillor Bosnowski?

1300
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:04,000
I don't know if you're.

1301
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,000
Oh, you're good.

1302
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,000
Okay.

1303
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:07,000
Perfect.

1304
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,000
Don't worry.

1305
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,000
Yep.

1306
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,000
Thank you.

1307
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,000
Clearly, I don't have a script when I speak.

1308
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,000
It's definitely don't mean one.

1309
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,000
There's municipal politics.

1310
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,000
I mean you lead with your heart.

1311
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,000
You're here to represent your residence.

1312
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
And they're your voter base.

1313
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:24,000
So they'll pretty much guide you and tell you what you need to do when you're up on the status.

1314
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,000
I've never used a third party clearly.

1315
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,000
You can tell one of my scripts are generated for me before when I get here.

1316
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,000
And I think that if you are an elected member and you are using a third party or an organization,

1317
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:41,000
you should when you should 1,000% disclose that information to your voter base.

1318
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,000
So I do think that this is extremely important.

1319
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,000
So I do think the Mayor for bringing this forward.

1320
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000
And I'm happy to support it tonight.

1321
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,000
Thank you.

1322
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,000
Thank you.

1323
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,000
Councillor your mother.

1324
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,000
I had you next.

1325
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:52,000
Yeah.

1326
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,000
I'm just wondering.

1327
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,000
So going forward with a lobbyist registry.

1328
01:42:55,000 --> 01:43:00,000
If we have an event like Mayor's golf tournament, for example, and there's a whole bunch of

1329
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,000
developers, do they now become lobbyists?

1330
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,000
Like how does this work?

1331
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,000
Do you want me to answer this?

1332
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,000
Do you want me to answer this?

1333
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,000
Please, if you wouldn't mind.

1334
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,000
No.

1335
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:12,000
That's not the situation.

1336
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:19,000
In terms of a lobbyist, it's the actual firm that there's many firms that are lobby firms,

1337
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:24,000
that are working on behalf of individuals, such as even when we take a look at the province.

1338
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,000
And the province now has a registry as well too.

1339
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:35,000
And seeing what is, if you take a look at the Pickering's page, it's very simple to navigate it.

1340
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,000
It says, we are making decisions around this table.

1341
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,000
Who's the influence?

1342
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,000
But it just really doesn't go far enough.

1343
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:48,000
Then if I've got someone who wants me to influence public policy, but they're not registered as a lobbyist.

1344
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,000
And they want to meet for a cup of coffee.

1345
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,000
That's lobbying.

1346
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:56,000
Well, the other part of it, I'm cross debating, sorry, Mr. Chair.

1347
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:04,000
I'm just trying to, because if we are going to put forward a lobbyist registry, then we need to go all the way.

1348
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:10,000
It can't be just, if it's a lobbying firm, we've got to go all the way on this.

1349
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,000
Thank you.

1350
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,000
Thank you, Councillor.

1351
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,000
Any further on the main motion?

1352
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:19,000
I'll go to Councillor Lenkowitz first.

1353
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:23,000
I'll go to Councillor Lenkowitz first.

1354
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,000
I saw your hand go up quicker.

1355
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,000
Thank you.

1356
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:30,000
I also recognize that the mayor can supersede me if she so chooses, and I'm fine with it.

1357
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,000
I don't disagree with Councillor Yamada actually.

1358
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:42,000
I think that when that lobbying is about the activity itself, not a social event where you just say hello to people.

1359
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:48,000
But where somebody's actively trying to get you to change your position, I don't think it's complicated.

1360
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,000
I think it really just becomes a clear definition of what lobbying is.

1361
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:59,000
And there should be an ethical component of this, which is self-reporting.

1362
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,960
I don't think they have to be a registered lobbyist in my view. I think that is council members. When a member, when someone does not

1363
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:16,960
be a member of the public, I mean I guess everybody's a member of the public, but when someone is attempting to influence

1364
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:24,640
a council decision, I don't see any challenge with reporting it. And then if it doesn't need to be in the

1365
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:29,440
registry, the decision maker will say so. I don't think this needs to be overly complicated,

1366
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:37,200
but I do agree that it needs to capture actual lobbying activity. So on the motion itself,

1367
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,920
when the mayor spoke to me about it, I was happy to second it. And the reason I was happy to

1368
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:49,840
second it, because we talk a lot about transparency, and I think we all know what it means,

1369
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:55,600
and yet somehow we avoid it. And I don't want to avoid it. I want it to be fully transparent at

1370
01:45:55,600 --> 01:46:03,760
this table all of the time. Because I don't think, if we're, no, I do think, actually, I think if we are not

1371
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:10,800
transparent that the inevitable effect is an erosion of trust in the work that we do. And all you need to do

1372
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:17,200
is spend two and a half minutes online to see that that erosion is occurring every day and every minute

1373
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:25,040
and every time somebody posts. This really is about transparency and public trust.

1374
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,440
Municipal government is going to work better when people believe that decisions are being made openly.

1375
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,840
When they know what influences are impacting decisions and positions of this council table,

1376
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:41,680
there is no current mechanism required member of council. Any member of council disclose

1377
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:46,480
when the receiving strategic or political or communication support from outside advisors,

1378
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:53,600
consultants, organizations, and I have to tell you, I think that's a huge problem.

1379
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:59,440
And the reason I think it's a problem is because I am entirely confident that some of those behaviors

1380
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:03,280
have influenced what has happened at this council table and not in a good way.

1381
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:12,800
I don't think this motion does anything to limit anybody's ability to seek advice or consult with others. I will

1382
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:19,760
still do that. I think that's the job. I think councilors should be able to speak with residents and

1383
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:25,040
stakeholders and experts so that we don't end up with motions that are ultra-viries and legally problematic.

1384
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,840
I think healthy democratic decision making depends on that exchange of ideas.

1385
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:42,320
The idea that we wouldn't unanimously support something like this would I think be really problematic

1386
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:49,040
to the public. I think that the public has an appetite to see this council be more accountable to it

1387
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:59,760
and I think that's what this motion does. I am mindful of the comment of the delegate about

1388
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:06,880
somehow restricting freedom of expression and I not only don't want to see that, I don't believe we

1389
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:14,240
will see that because the goal of this is not to restrict any conversation. It is actually just to

1390
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:25,280
provide transparency about decisions and bring some light to those decisions. So I think this motion is

1391
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:31,280
really a simple one and it really is just transparency and closing that gap that currently exists.

1392
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:37,520
Reinforcing principles of openness and accountability that residents expect from municipal

1393
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:44,800
government and that they have not had. I appreciate the time. Thank you. Thank you. And I may

1394
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:50,480
roll your hand up as well. I do have some comments. I know you wanted to reserve yours. I don't know

1395
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:58,880
if you'd wish to go now or please. This motion now as it's amended. It is a two-fold approach.

1396
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:04,000
First for understanding for what Councillor L'Uncle has brought forward.

1397
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:11,600
That action is one that the lobby and the lobbyists would have to register, which is if you take a look at

1398
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:18,000
number and misspalities that have had it in place and actually there is a number who are

1399
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:24,400
actioning it presently right now and even the province of Ontario lobbyists have to register and they have to

1400
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:32,560
be on their registry. That's the first component which is the amendment. The action of what I have

1401
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:40,800
brought forward with this motion is more about if for ourselves as individual counselors if we find it upon

1402
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:49,200
ourselves that we have to move to receive support and it's not about saying no to support. This is about

1403
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:56,000
making sure it's clear and that we are one first and foremost protecting the integrity of this council.

1404
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:03,680
But also ensuring that the public confidence in this government is in place and there has been a lot of

1405
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:11,920
feedback in the last year or so that this is not the situation so it's to reassure that we are being clear and

1406
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:19,360
transparent and there were a number of with it with the delegation and number of examples which makes it

1407
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:25,920
very clear that we need to be doing better as to the action of what is happening around the table. At the end of

1408
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:31,680
March you are going to be seeing the Councillor's expense report and yes some council members around this

1409
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:41,440
table spend their own money to buy tickets to support events and to do like community events within

1410
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:49,680
their own wards as well and would they report that? I'm sure they would. The council member who

1411
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:57,920
did the activation of what the campaign school, the potential is probably the sharing of that information

1412
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,720
would be public but I think that's the most important part about this conversation. It's it's really

1413
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:07,760
become evident that the action is happening and it is happening in many different ways around this table.

1414
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:15,840
Now I will say that I have had conversations with other municipalities who have actually asked for this

1415
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:21,200
motion to be brought to them and they are going to action this in other municipalities as well because they

1416
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:28,480
are seeing this action taking place. The conversation about Bill 9 really opened up that within

1417
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:34,720
not just municipal government but government as a whole it's about that transparency and Bill 9 in

1418
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:42,000
the actions of what is moving forward through that and we need to be working through to ensure that our

1419
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:48,400
municipal act is one that is up to date and is working with the current state of affairs not the

1420
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:55,760
state of affairs that are back to 2001. I had a reporter, I did an interview with me and asked

1421
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:02,000
specifically why would you bring this forward is because times have changed and within what we see

1422
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:07,680
what is happening and I'm specifically talking about our council and the times have changed and the

1423
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:15,200
manner of how we conduct ourselves in communication and community but even the influence there are a lot of

1424
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:23,120
influencers out there and it is good it's healthy but we need to ensure that for our community as a

1425
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:29,600
whole they're really understanding us to who are the influencers and why are the influencing and it's

1426
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:38,400
not to shut down conversation it's about being transparent. I also want to just make like in terms of

1427
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:44,000
what this motion does not do it doesn't prohibit counselors from receiving a bice or support far from it.

1428
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:50,640
It's about openly disclosing what is happening as we are having these conversations.

1429
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:58,080
Transparency is something that will really strengthen us in the past three and a half years we've talked

1430
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:03,280
about governance we've talked about procedures and we've talked about how we can better manage around

1431
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:08,720
this table and there's been a lot of modifications to our procedure bylaws about how we conduct ourselves

1432
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:14,400
within meetings but also it's the processes that are in place in our operating policies and it continues to

1433
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:21,280
do so we continue to be better and that is one of our 62 action items that we all agreed upon that this

1434
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:29,200
community asked us to concentrate on its governance and transparency and I think this is a contributing

1435
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:35,520
factor towards one of those 62 action items which falls within our community strategic plan it's another example

1436
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:40,960
of how we can do better and we can do better for our residents and I think ultimately

1437
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:48,560
if we have nothing to hide and we're not concerned then the openness is something that we can

1438
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:56,960
share quite openly to our community and very transparently and share it's like yes I am using an outside

1439
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:02,000
source yes I have I I know some members of council have supports for writing of their new

1440
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:07,120
letters and have supports for their websites but they are actually accounting for that within their

1441
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:12,480
expense policy and we will see that at the end of this month but this is just another layer

1442
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:20,640
and the word gap is a true example of the gap that is in place that we need to be

1443
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:28,720
very upfront as to what we are doing and how we are doing it and how we can be better for our community as

1444
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:38,320
a whole thank you Mr. Chair thank you council or my kind of head thank you well said I think

1445
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:45,120
when you have nothing to hide there's nothing to worry about I was part of the campaign school I

1446
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:51,840
went and sat on the panel and talked to people about how they should read for council yay so it's more

1447
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:59,360
of it was an incursion thing I wasn't compensated for it it's great but I guess my question is you know

1448
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:05,760
like I have no problem with anything that I'm doing you know and I sure the community wouldn't either

1449
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:10,400
it's just I look ahead and go I go to an event I've been on a silent auction I pay for a silent

1450
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:16,560
auction then I sometimes redone it to the next silent auction it's this all going to have to be

1451
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:22,560
documented oh my goodness I have no problem doing that but you know when I start thinking about all the

1452
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:29,840
little things that we do from day to day that that we just don't put down on paper and I know that you know

1453
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:36,000
yes you're going to see in my expense account there's some help in there for a newsletter but there's

1454
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:41,520
but there's also so many things that we do out there in the community that that are going to be maybe a bit

1455
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:47,680
eye opening and it might actually be nice for people to understand because it's every day like

1456
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:54,720
if there's constantly things every day and that's part of being in the community so I have no problem with

1457
01:55:54,720 --> 01:56:01,200
this I think it's going to be great you know if everybody has good intentions and show them because

1458
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:07,360
there's really I don't feel a lot to be concerned about with this motion at all so thank you

1459
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:14,240
thank you I believe that is everybody that's how to chance to speak I just have a point of

1460
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:19,600
clarification if I'm okay please because I think there was and I think it's my fault so I just wanted to be

1461
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:25,280
clear I understand that there should be a registry of lobbyists I'm talking about when you have coffee

1462
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:31,120
with somebody who may not be from you know those those unofficial sort of things where somebody is a

1463
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:36,720
member of community versus an actual lobbyist so I think that that I would just wanted to clarify that

1464
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:41,040
because I think both of those things may influence decisions and I think we have to be reasonable about

1465
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:47,280
about the assessments thank you for that I appreciate that thank you so I have a few comments on this

1466
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:55,120
just that I haven't had a chance to speak on it yet and you know Councillor McCoy he touched on a few

1467
01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:59,920
points a few others have touched on it but you know we often go out and and we're at events or

1468
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:04,880
things like that and and some of us pay for our own tickets I have in the past sometimes they get

1469
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:13,200
expense under our expense policy for community events but I I'm pretty sure most of us we've all done

1470
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:18,000
it where we they come by and we got to buy the lucky balloon or we got to buy the raffle tickets so we

1471
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:23,600
got to buy I lose more raffle tickets and find them in my suit pockets later than I never say I never look at

1472
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:29,280
them but we all we all buy them to support community so I don't think we want to get to that level of

1473
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:35,760
having to record things but I am happy to for every twenty dollars I have thrown it whatever raffle

1474
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:42,080
multiple times per month that that I go to or every run that we're asked to come out and support or things

1475
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:48,560
of that nature I think the big one for this is really that you know residents and voters they really

1476
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:53,200
want honesty from us we've heard the word transparency thrown around but what they want is they want to

1477
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:59,840
know that they can trust us they want to know that we have maybe not their individual best interest in

1478
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:08,800
in a particular item we may disagree on things at times but we are doing our best to represent the entire

1479
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:16,240
community all of the residents as a whole as best as we can and I think you know when it comes to transparency

1480
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:21,680
or trust or things like that you know these get thrown out there but at the end of the day you know

1481
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:28,160
what they want is they want counsel to have integrity they want us to be able to have or they want to

1482
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:35,360
have confidence in us that we are trying our best and trying to move things forward as a community and I've

1483
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:43,360
always said and and this is one that I would be happy to do here you know I don't particularly use any

1484
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:52,080
political strategist I never have but should I choose to in the future like any decision that I make here

1485
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:58,400
I will absolutely have my reasons and I will be proud of those reasons and I will be happy to tell you

1486
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:04,560
my reasons we may disagree whether it's on a vote whether it's on somebody that I've talked to for strategy

1487
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:12,960
whether it's a PR firm and and how I do something but I can guarantee you that my goal is to have a

1488
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:20,160
well thought out reason for it and to be proud of it and I think if you are proud of something like that

1489
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:26,560
that you are using for whatever the reason is or whatever the decision was behind it then you have nothing to

1490
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:32,800
hide there's no reason to hide it if you're proud of it you should be able to say exactly why exactly what the purpose

1491
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:41,280
was why you made the decision why you agree with it whatever it might be and I think you know one of the

1492
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:47,120
things that comes into play with this especially if I if I can generalize it and say people behind the

1493
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:54,880
scenes and and by that I mean any third party professional consultant strategist communications firms

1494
01:59:54,880 --> 02:00:00,880
PR firms individuals that might be leading a charge with lobby

1495
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,000
Or trying to promote people in a certain way, or trying to shed a certain light on things.

1496
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:15,000
For me, personally, if they are being paid, that might be a slightly different level than somebody

1497
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:21,000
who is doing it out of the kindness of their heart, although I don't really know a PR firm or a political strategist

1498
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:24,000
that would do it out of the kindness of their heart.

1499
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:33,000
You know, we can debate whether there's a difference between paid professionals being used as strategist or consultants or things like that,

1500
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:37,000
and somebody that's doing it out of an in-kind donation.

1501
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:43,000
But I also think there's an issue if another organization is paying for them on your behalf.

1502
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:52,000
And I do believe that residents absolutely deserve the right to know that, deserve the right to know your reasons why.

1503
02:00:53,000 --> 02:01:04,000
And again, if you're proud of it, I see zero reason that you would want to hide that and not disclose it and why you wouldn't be okay with telling everybody where it comes from and why you're doing it.

1504
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,000
So that's my opinion on it.

1505
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:10,000
And with that, we will, sorry, Mary.

1506
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,000
Yep, we have a recorded vote on this.

1507
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:17,000
And I will call the question, Mr. Clerk, if you can run through that for us, please.

1508
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:18,000
Thank you.

1509
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:20,000
Thank you, Councillor Bozenowski.

1510
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:21,000
Yes.

1511
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:22,000
Councillor Cardwell.

1512
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:23,000
Yes.

1513
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:24,000
Councillor Leahy.

1514
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:25,000
Yes.

1515
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:26,000
Councillor Leahy.

1516
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,000
Yes.

1517
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:28,000
Councillor Lundquist.

1518
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,000
Yes.

1519
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,000
Councillor Malkai.

1520
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,000
Yes.

1521
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:32,000
Councillor Shid.

1522
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:33,000
Yes.

1523
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:34,000
Councillor Yamada.

1524
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:35,000
Yes.

1525
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:36,000
Mayor Roy.

1526
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,000
Yes.

1527
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:40,000
Deputy Mayor, that vote passes unanimously.

1528
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:45,000
Thank you, and I will turn this back over to Mayor Roy to continue as a chair for the rest of the meeting.

1529
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:46,000
Thank you.

1530
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,000
Moving on to 13 new admissions.

1531
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:51,000
There is then moving on to bylaws.

1532
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,000
Move by Councillor Cardwell.

1533
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,000
Second by Councillor Yamada.

1534
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,000
All in favor.

1535
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:04,000
So, can you just state that out loud, Mr. Clerk?

1536
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:05,000
Yes.

1537
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:06,000
Thank you.

1538
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:07,000
May I just note for the bylaws.

1539
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:13,000
We'll adopt the one bylaw with respect to a PA-188 as amended by the motion introduced by Councillor Malkai.

1540
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:15,000
So that's 1410.

1541
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:16,000
Bylaw.

1542
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,000
We'll be amended to reflect that.

1543
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:19,000
Okay.

1544
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,000
Comfortatory bylaw.

1545
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:22,000
Move by Councillor Baisanowski.

1546
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,000
Second by Councillor Leahy.

1547
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:24,000
All in favor.

1548
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:27,000
And that's carried.

1549
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:28,000
Announcements.

1550
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:30,000
No, announcements.

1551
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,000
Councillor Cardwell.

1552
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:32,000
Thank you, Mayor Roy.

1553
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,000
This is a bit of a fun one.

1554
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:36,000
I had a resident in West Ward, reach out to me name.

1555
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:37,000
Stephanie Summers.

1556
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:44,000
And she inquired about a program that used to exist in the WIP in the town of WIP.

1557
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:47,000
It would be called snow angels.

1558
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:54,000
And after talking to Mayor Roy and Mayor Roy, then talking to staff, it was reintroduced.

1559
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,000
So essentially what a snow angel program is here in the town of WIP.

1560
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:07,000
If any of your neighbors or you have observed someone that has helped someone through a very tough winter with heavy snow and salt and sleep and all the fun we've all had,

1561
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:16,000
you can go to wIP.ca back slash snow angels and you can nominate them for a certificate of appreciation.

1562
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:18,000
And it's on the town website.

1563
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:19,000
The words getting out there.

1564
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:24,000
But I don't want this just to be something that sounds cool on the internet or on Facebook.

1565
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,000
I actually want to see some of these certificates go out.

1566
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:32,000
It's a real, feel good thing and it's been a horrible winter and people are really kind out there and they should be recognized.

1567
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,000
I know they don't do it to be recognized, but I think they should be.

1568
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:39,000
So if, if you know of anybody, please nominate a snow angel.

1569
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:40,000
Thank you.

1570
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:50,000
So Councillor, we will, I'll get the number updated for tomorrow, but on every day we get nominations from community members for snow angels.

1571
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:59,000
And I had the privilege of actually bringing a certificate to a woman up in Brooklyn who actually broke her ankle.

1572
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:08,000
I'm clearing the snow for her elderly neighbor as she fell down and so we brought her flowers and a certificate to her house.

1573
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,000
But Councillor Lanklust.

1574
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,000
Well, the note of no good deed goes unpunished my goodness.

1575
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:19,000
I have, I have three sort of interconnected announcements and I think they're kind of remarkable.

1576
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:23,000
So I recently did a drive for sanitary products to help Saint Marks.

1577
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:35,000
They run a lunch program for a hot meal once a week and they hand out products to women who are unhoused and who are visiting.

1578
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:39,000
My thanks is to the community who really showed up for those women.

1579
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:48,000
There was more than enough for what they needed and we were able to donate a significant amount of those along with diapers to Saint Andrews.

1580
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:53,000
And I'm proud and impressed by the community that always shows up.

1581
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,000
Senator Ward is a special place.

1582
02:04:55,000 --> 02:05:01,000
And on that note, I last week awarded a center ward champion, a certificate.

1583
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,000
Her name is Heather O. Shay.

1584
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:08,000
I can't begin to describe the amazing contribution she makes to wippy.

1585
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,000
She, I'm going to try though, badly.

1586
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:13,000
She has something called the green bean collectives.

1587
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:18,000
She's done many things including harvesting fruit trees in the neighborhood for distribution.

1588
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:22,000
Amongst the neighbors who need it and also with excess going to the food bank.

1589
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:29,000
She currently has a small mini food bank on her property right beside Rosedale park that is currently empty.

1590
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:33,000
And so this is my plea to any of you if you're in the neighborhood.

1591
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:40,000
There's a, there's a fridge and there's also a pantry for dried goods but if you are in the neighborhood.

1592
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:44,000
She would be really delighted to receive your support and helping feed the community.

1593
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:47,000
Sometimes we have to go small to do big things.

1594
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:48,000
Thank you.

1595
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,000
Thank you.

1596
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,000
Further.

1597
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,000
Councillor McKay.

1598
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,000
Thank you.

1599
02:05:53,000 --> 02:06:00,000
I would just like to remind everybody of the last state at Luther of Ipon Memorial Arena on Sunday.

1600
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:05,000
John Vipon is pulling this together on behalf of his family.

1601
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:10,000
To 30 to 430 the Brooklyn Legion is open afterwards.

1602
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:17,000
We are expecting that it will be a large crowd as people are messaging saying they're coming from out of town with their skates.

1603
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:25,000
So it will be big and just you know it's there's so many great memories in that arena.

1604
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:31,000
And when if you get a chance to come and chat with John he has so many stories.

1605
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,000
When gratsky skated there.

1606
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:45,000
You know like it's just, among others like it's just amazing when you talk about Luther and the stories about Luther and his dog and how he took care of that building.

1607
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:49,000
And I think we've heard some of them but like you really have to come out.

1608
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:59,000
There will be a hundred foot long paper roll on the wall for people to leave their memories that we will document and send to the archives.

1609
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:03,000
But also give back to the bypon family.

1610
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:07,000
I will be writing on it that I wouldn't exist without federal radio.

1611
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:11,000
My parents met there in 1958 in the old barn skating.

1612
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:13,000
So please come out.

1613
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:16,000
It should be fun and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody.

1614
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:17,000
Thank you.

1615
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:18,000
Further.

1616
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:19,000
Councillor Lee.

1617
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:24,000
Thank you and kind of continuing across fun free stuff.

1618
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,000
Obviously that one is coming up with the skating.

1619
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:38,000
But I wanted to just announce that myself and the mayor have partnered together to bring two community free swims out to everybody.

1620
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,000
So we're doing a couple of big pool parties.

1621
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,000
They're both on Saturdays.

1622
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,000
One is on March 21st from 23 to 430.

1623
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,000
The others on April 25th also 23 to 430.

1624
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:53,000
And both right next door at the civic rec complex here in Whitby.

1625
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:58,000
And so we definitely want everybody to come out family, friends, whoever you want.

1626
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:00,000
Come out and check out the pool party.

1627
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:08,000
And if you're unable to make it, you can at least go and see the fantastic cartoon version of myself on the flyer that exists.

1628
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:12,000
That my daughter says I gave way too much hair to in the cartoon.

1629
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,000
So she's probably right.

1630
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,000
I think the cartoon's got a little bit more than me.

1631
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:22,000
But nonetheless, there's cartoon counselor and cartoon mayor that exists for those of you

1632
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,000
that are interested if you can't make this swimming.

1633
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,000
Otherwise, come on out to the swimming and we'll be good to see everybody there.

1634
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,000
Thank you.

1635
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,000
Can we get that flyer?

1636
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Oh, we can make sure you get one.

1637
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,000
No problem.

1638
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:34,000
We'll get one out there.

1639
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,000
Further.

1640
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,000
Motion to adjourn.

1641
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,000
Counselor she had.

1642
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,000
Counselor Cardo.

1643
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,000
All in favor.

1644
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:43,000
And that's carried.

1645
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:44,000
Thank you.

1646
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:54,000
Thank you.

1647
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,000
Thank you.

1648
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,000
Thank you.