1 00:00:03,495 --> 00:00:07,754 Maintenance. Not maintenance. What would this be called? Set up. 2 00:00:08,079 --> 00:00:09,114 I like that word. Thank you. 3 00:00:20,833 --> 00:00:23,588 Good morning, members of the corporate and finance Services Committee. 4 00:00:24,313 --> 00:00:26,228 I call this meeting to order. This meeting. Is being 5 00:00:26,513 --> 00:00:28,828 held using a hybrid model with both members of council 6 00:00:29,073 --> 00:00:31,428 staff and members of the public participating from the council 7 00:00:31,513 --> 00:00:37,669 chamber and electronically. Remind those in attendance that this meeting 8 00:00:37,714 --> 00:00:40,909 is being recorded, web streamed and captioned. Therefore, the microphones 9 00:00:41,194 --> 00:00:44,469 must be used at all times for those participating remotely. 10 00:00:44,834 --> 00:00:47,029 The clerk has muted all microphones. If you wish to 11 00:00:47,034 --> 00:00:49,749 speak, please advise the clerk via the webex chat function 12 00:00:50,074 --> 00:00:51,749 and I will recognize you by name and you may 13 00:00:51,834 --> 00:00:55,441 unmute your microphone. Members participating from the chamber may raise 14 00:00:55,726 --> 00:00:58,531 their hands to indicate they wish to speak. If you 15 00:00:58,576 --> 00:01:00,731 have a motion, it must be submitted in writing and 16 00:01:00,736 --> 00:01:04,291 sent to Jennifer Lane and Pamela. Aguilera to their respective 17 00:01:04,536 --> 00:01:06,411 email addresses in order for it to be displayed in 18 00:01:06,456 --> 00:01:09,291 our meeting. Please note that all who attend meetings in 19 00:01:09,296 --> 00:01:11,651 the council chamber do so voluntarily, and as a result. 20 00:01:11,736 --> 00:01:13,931 Of their attendance at these meetings may be photographed and 21 00:01:14,256 --> 00:01:17,891 or videotaped. I ask everyone for their patience as we 22 00:01:17,896 --> 00:01:19,981 work with the. Hybrid meeting model and trust that we 23 00:01:20,026 --> 00:01:23,101 will treat each other fairly and with respect at this 24 00:01:23,386 --> 00:01:26,987 time. I'll introduce members participating from the chamber. Good morning 25 00:01:27,112 --> 00:01:29,827 to members of the committee. Vice chair, Councilor Bradley Marks. 26 00:01:30,032 --> 00:01:33,787 Councilor Tito Dante. Mary. Petri yeah. Good morning, Councilor Rosemary 27 00:01:34,072 --> 00:01:37,947 McConkey, Councilor John Neal and Mayor Dan Carter, who is 28 00:01:38,032 --> 00:01:41,627 ex officio member and turning to the visiting side visiting 29 00:01:41,952 --> 00:01:45,227 councilors this morning. Include councilor Bob Chapman, councilor Jim Lee. 30 00:01:45,472 --> 00:01:46,899 Good morning and welcome to you both. Do you have 31 00:01:47,264 --> 00:01:55,187 anyone? Okay. And at this time. I will turn to 32 00:01:55,512 --> 00:01:58,587 the commissioner to introduce staff who are in attendance. Commissioner 33 00:01:58,912 --> 00:02:02,227 Stephanie, Senate the commissioner. Of corporate and finance services. Good 34 00:02:02,592 --> 00:02:05,627 morning. And I'll turn it over to you. Good morning. 35 00:02:05,992 --> 00:02:10,361 Chair guy. Participating in the chamber. We have Pamela Aguilera 36 00:02:10,686 --> 00:02:14,641 and Jennifer Lane, council committee coordinators, to my left is 37 00:02:14,966 --> 00:02:18,521 Michelle Brethrick, the director of finance services. We have Kim 38 00:02:18,606 --> 00:02:24,201 Villanu, the manager of taxation services. Tina Barker, manager, procurement 39 00:02:24,486 --> 00:02:29,622 and Julie McKeesak, the director of innovation and transformation. Thank 40 00:02:29,987 --> 00:02:35,584 you. And I think Alicia Bioncad is supporting us in 41 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:40,445 the back. Okay, thank you. Is there anyone else? Thank 42 00:02:40,490 --> 00:02:44,613 you. Okay. The city of Ashwa is situated on lands 43 00:02:44,858 --> 00:02:47,933 within the traditional and treaty territory of the Mitchisag and 44 00:02:47,978 --> 00:02:51,893 Shipwa Anishanabeg and the signatories of the Williams. Treaties, which 45 00:02:51,978 --> 00:02:56,333 include the Mississaugas of Scugog island, curve Lake, Ayewatha. And 46 00:02:56,418 --> 00:02:59,853 Alderville first nations and the Chippewaz of Georgina Island, Rama 47 00:02:59,898 --> 00:03:04,553 and Boso First Nations. We are grateful for the Inish 48 00:03:04,598 --> 00:03:06,793 Nabik who have cared for the land and waters. Within 49 00:03:07,158 --> 00:03:11,593 this territory since time immemorial. We recognize that Oshawa, steeped 50 00:03:11,598 --> 00:03:13,833 in rich indigenous history and is now present day home 51 00:03:13,958 --> 00:03:17,553 to many first nations, inywit and Mati people. We express 52 00:03:17,878 --> 00:03:20,513 gratitude for this diverse group of indigenous peoples who continue 53 00:03:20,838 --> 00:03:22,713 to care for the land and shape and strengthen our 54 00:03:22,798 --> 00:03:26,450 community. As a municipality, we are committed to understanding the 55 00:03:26,495 --> 00:03:29,530 truth of our shared history, acknowledging our role in addressing 56 00:03:29,535 --> 00:03:32,530 the negative impacts of the colonization continues to have on 57 00:03:32,855 --> 00:03:39,219 indigenous peoples. Developing reciprocal relationships and taking meaningful action toward 58 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:44,446 reconciliation. We are all treaty people. Turning to our agenda 59 00:03:44,811 --> 00:03:47,806 now. We have no additional agenda items. Are there any 60 00:03:47,851 --> 00:03:50,566 declarations of pecuniary? Interest on our agenda this morning. Councilor 61 00:03:50,891 --> 00:03:56,527 Neil. Good morning. Yes. Good morning, Mr. Chair. Cf 24 62 00:03:56,892 --> 00:03:59,127 28, as I'm on the board of directors of the 63 00:03:59,732 --> 00:04:06,295 OSCC. And they've got feedback back from that organization in 64 00:04:06,340 --> 00:04:09,095 regards to that report. Thank you. Okay. We will note 65 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:11,615 that one as a poll at the time of the 66 00:04:11,660 --> 00:04:15,135 public consent agenda. Thank you. Any other declarations? Seeing none, 67 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:19,435 I'll move on. Presentations, we have none delegations, we have 68 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,155 none referrals from council, we have none reports. From advisory 69 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,675 committees. There is cf 24 24 on our agenda, which 70 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:37,384 comes from the Oshwa accessibility award nomination and. They have 71 00:04:37,669 --> 00:04:40,744 provided a nominee looking for a motion to endorse the 72 00:04:40,829 --> 00:04:44,860 nominee. I see. Councilor. McConkey's hand. The motion is duly 73 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:49,006 moved. Did you or any members want to speak to 74 00:04:49,051 --> 00:04:52,086 the item? Yes, thank you. I'd like to point out 75 00:04:52,411 --> 00:04:56,772 this award will be given during. National accessibility, we can 76 00:04:57,137 --> 00:05:00,901 may. It's really great that we have the OSHA blood 77 00:05:01,226 --> 00:05:03,941 donor Clinic being nominated, and I hope that we have 78 00:05:04,266 --> 00:05:07,570 full support on that. Thank you. Thank you. Any other 79 00:05:07,895 --> 00:05:11,050 members to speak on that item? Seeing none. All in 80 00:05:11,095 --> 00:05:16,371 favor of the nomination? Are there any opposed? See? None 81 00:05:16,616 --> 00:05:21,953 that carries. Thank you. Okay. No items requiring direction. And 82 00:05:22,358 --> 00:05:27,955 looking now on to the public consent agenda. Are there 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,995 any items to be pulled from the public consent agenda, 84 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:40,599 Councilor Neil? Just cf 24. 2007, according. 85 00:05:42,385 --> 00:05:45,620 Okay, that's been pulled. That's the 2024 final tax rates 86 00:05:45,625 --> 00:05:50,776 bylaw. And then councilor marks, could you also pull the 87 00:05:50,861 --> 00:05:54,656 item that councilor Neil had? So 24. 28. Yeah. So 88 00:05:54,741 --> 00:05:58,376 pulled. Okay, thank you. Other polls on this councilor McConkey. 89 00:06:00,092 --> 00:06:04,836 Sorry. 24 29, the corporate payment report. Thank you. And 90 00:06:05,321 --> 00:06:12,515 24, 30. The energy audits report. Any others to be 91 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:19,553 pulled from the consent agenda. Seeing none. Councilor Marks, I'll 92 00:06:19,838 --> 00:06:21,953 turn to you for the consent motion. Thank you. Good. 93 00:06:21,998 --> 00:06:24,633 Morning to you, Mr. Chair. My colleagues, staff members of 94 00:06:24,678 --> 00:06:27,793 the public, listening at all items listed under heading of 95 00:06:27,798 --> 00:06:31,433 public consent agenda for April eigth 2024 corporate and finance 96 00:06:31,678 --> 00:06:34,913 service committee meeting. Be adopted as recommended, with the exception 97 00:06:35,238 --> 00:06:40,137 of those, of course, pulled. For discussion. Thank you. Are 98 00:06:40,182 --> 00:06:42,777 there any opposed to that public consent agenda? I see 99 00:06:42,862 --> 00:06:47,733 none that carries. Thank you. Okay, at this time. Just 100 00:06:48,098 --> 00:06:54,661 want to make sure that. I'm getting in the habit 101 00:06:54,866 --> 00:06:56,781 of reading this. Okay. The following items have been pulled 102 00:06:56,786 --> 00:06:59,901 from the consent agenda for discussion and separate vote, and 103 00:07:00,226 --> 00:07:06,821 that's cf 24272 428-242-9243 if you're here for an item 104 00:07:07,066 --> 00:07:08,701 that has not been pulled the recommendation related to the 105 00:07:08,946 --> 00:07:12,461 item printed on the agenda will be recommended to city 106 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:18,278 council. So. I'm going to move through. The items that 107 00:07:18,283 --> 00:07:20,558 were pulled. So the first one is CF 24 27, 108 00:07:21,243 --> 00:07:25,438 the 2024 final tax rates bylaw that was pulled by 109 00:07:25,763 --> 00:07:28,478 councilor Neil. Councilor Neil, you had said you pulled it 110 00:07:28,483 --> 00:07:30,638 for a recorded vote. Were you moving the motion or 111 00:07:30,683 --> 00:07:32,478 do I need to turn to someone? Else to move 112 00:07:32,763 --> 00:07:35,958 the motion. No, I'm not moving. Okay, so councilor marks 113 00:07:36,243 --> 00:07:40,519 has moved. 24 20. Seven. Was there any discussion on 114 00:07:40,524 --> 00:07:45,319 this one? Councilor McConkey. Thank you. Appreciate, councilor. Neil Poly. 115 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,455 I was going to as well, because here we are. 116 00:07:49,442 --> 00:07:52,990 Of course, this has to be. Sent out every year. 117 00:07:54,398 --> 00:07:58,513 The final tax rates are listed, but this year I 118 00:07:58,558 --> 00:08:00,753 have a big problem with it, so I will be 119 00:08:00,798 --> 00:08:06,952 voting against it. It's no criticism of any member of 120 00:08:07,357 --> 00:08:12,509 finance staff. But what I've seen just last week, region 121 00:08:12,834 --> 00:08:17,269 of Durham is put together a 7.5% increase and we, 122 00:08:17,594 --> 00:08:21,269 the city of Oshua, especially the city councilors wear it 123 00:08:22,034 --> 00:08:26,557 people. Don't realize. The tax bill is divided between the 124 00:08:26,602 --> 00:08:29,237 region and the city. But also, the fact is this 125 00:08:29,562 --> 00:08:32,917 particular budget was the mayor's budget. With that strong mayor's 126 00:08:33,642 --> 00:08:40,437 power, First mayor's budget. That. Basically takes away. Any input 127 00:08:41,122 --> 00:08:45,257 from certain members of council like myself. And I have 128 00:08:45,582 --> 00:08:49,297 tried to say at committee and council certain aspects of 129 00:08:49,622 --> 00:08:53,497 what was approved and what wasn't in the budget. There 130 00:08:53,542 --> 00:08:57,137 was no mention of the $9 million. That's going to 131 00:08:57,142 --> 00:09:01,553 be needed for rotary park pool to be completed. No 132 00:09:01,678 --> 00:09:04,313 mentioned during the budget. About the 8 million, the 4 133 00:09:04,358 --> 00:09:07,553 million surplus. Four and a half million. Are from reserves 134 00:09:07,838 --> 00:09:10,553 totaling eight and a half million that we discussed, tried 135 00:09:10,878 --> 00:09:15,830 to discuss. Last Monday. So here's the thing at council. 136 00:09:16,195 --> 00:09:19,807 Sorry. So I have a right to say no to 137 00:09:19,852 --> 00:09:22,887 something. And on this one, I'm saying no, but I 138 00:09:22,892 --> 00:09:27,167 also have a question. To finance staff on the report. 139 00:09:27,572 --> 00:09:33,586 Just comparing what the city revenues generating from. Commercial listings. 140 00:09:34,678 --> 00:09:38,833 And industrial and, of course, the bulk being residential property 141 00:09:39,198 --> 00:09:43,963 owners being hit. With these increases every year. And, of 142 00:09:43,968 --> 00:09:47,456 course, increases are needed to keep up with services. And 143 00:09:47,461 --> 00:09:50,136 the growth of the city. But I had one particular 144 00:09:50,621 --> 00:09:54,444 question about. The exempt. There's an amazing amount of money 145 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:58,924 of exempt properties. And if I could ask. The commissioner. 146 00:10:00,737 --> 00:10:04,612 What is actually, like, city owned properties? Parkland? Is that 147 00:10:04,897 --> 00:10:09,112 the total compass of what's exempt. Looks like they're getting 148 00:10:09,437 --> 00:10:14,436 an answer for you. The exempt properties are municipal places 149 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:22,475 of worship. Or. Schools. Thank you. Okay. 150 00:10:24,716 --> 00:10:28,766 Other comments on this one, Mayor Carter. I do have 151 00:10:28,811 --> 00:10:32,767 to respond. I was quite proud of not only counsel, 152 00:10:33,652 --> 00:10:37,607 but the process that we undertook as the mayor's. Budget. 153 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:41,487 I'm shocked to hear that it wasn't open and transparent 154 00:10:41,532 --> 00:10:44,247 that people didn't get an opportunity to ask and answer 155 00:10:44,692 --> 00:10:47,367 questions or to be able to bring amendments. Forward because 156 00:10:47,652 --> 00:10:51,372 to my recollection, there was an. Opportunity to be able 157 00:10:51,697 --> 00:10:54,772 to participate. I also understanding this is when it came 158 00:10:54,777 --> 00:10:57,452 to Rotary park, it was clear and concise in regards 159 00:10:57,457 --> 00:11:01,985 to what our commitment was for 2024. And that moving 160 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:05,545 forward, there would be another commitment in regards to 2025. 161 00:11:07,199 --> 00:11:09,948 So. I am confused in regards to the comments that 162 00:11:09,993 --> 00:11:12,588 have been made. I am proud of this council. Matter 163 00:11:12,633 --> 00:11:14,868 of fact, I believe this council did a tremendous job 164 00:11:15,513 --> 00:11:19,591 with our budget, and I think it was reasonable. I 165 00:11:19,636 --> 00:11:22,431 don't disagree in regards to making sure we're clear and 166 00:11:22,756 --> 00:11:26,911 concise about 60% of our tax bill go somewhere else. 167 00:11:27,676 --> 00:11:31,085 I think that that. 's a fair observation. I think 168 00:11:31,450 --> 00:11:34,458 it's important that. We make sure that people understand that 169 00:11:34,543 --> 00:11:37,378 60% of that tax bill that goes out goes to 170 00:11:37,703 --> 00:11:43,027 other entities in regards to operations. So. I'm going to 171 00:11:43,392 --> 00:11:48,504 support, of course. The report. I understand, but the challenges 172 00:11:48,549 --> 00:11:53,543 that Canadians are facing. And like I say, I am 173 00:11:53,628 --> 00:11:56,663 very proud of this council for what it did throughout 174 00:11:57,028 --> 00:12:00,856 that process. And staff, by the way. That worked diligently 175 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:06,909 for a full year with myself to be able. To 176 00:12:07,314 --> 00:12:11,709 formulate the budget, and I'm looking forward again to working 177 00:12:11,794 --> 00:12:14,029 with members of council. And staff to be able to 178 00:12:14,074 --> 00:12:17,509 deliver it. And as many members know, I've already started 179 00:12:17,634 --> 00:12:20,309 meetings with members of council to be able to cure 180 00:12:20,594 --> 00:12:23,839 their priorities. I'm also a believer that if you don't 181 00:12:24,204 --> 00:12:28,562 want to support revenue, In regards to what's necessary for 182 00:12:28,967 --> 00:12:31,762 operations. Then maybe we have to have a conversation about. 183 00:12:32,916 --> 00:12:36,681 How we're making investments across the city. You have to 184 00:12:36,726 --> 00:12:38,841 support the revenue to be able to support the capital 185 00:12:38,926 --> 00:12:41,361 projects that are going to be in your warrant. And 186 00:12:41,406 --> 00:12:43,281 if you're not going to support it, just be clear 187 00:12:43,686 --> 00:12:46,479 about it. That you do not support the revenue to 188 00:12:46,484 --> 00:12:49,879 be able to build or invest into those wards and 189 00:12:50,244 --> 00:12:51,719 allow the public to be able to be clear and 190 00:12:51,964 --> 00:12:54,479 concise in regards to where you stand. On the item. 191 00:12:55,939 --> 00:12:59,934 Thank you. Other speakers to the item. Councilor McConkey, back 192 00:13:00,219 --> 00:13:02,494 to you. Second thank you. I don't wish the mayor 193 00:13:02,819 --> 00:13:07,643 to take it personally. There was transparency. I'm not arguing 194 00:13:07,648 --> 00:13:10,243 that. But what happened after the budget, and I think 195 00:13:10,608 --> 00:13:12,883 the main problem here is that the city of Ojwa 196 00:13:13,128 --> 00:13:15,923 budget was approved in December and at the time, like 197 00:13:16,208 --> 00:13:18,683 the past five years, now that I've been on council, 198 00:13:19,328 --> 00:13:23,043 I understood. The merits of getting in early, but now 199 00:13:23,688 --> 00:13:26,389 we find, with the surpluses that are coming forward, And 200 00:13:26,754 --> 00:13:30,766 not having really any say. It comes to council to 201 00:13:30,771 --> 00:13:33,966 be approved by staff. As I mentioned, that eight and 202 00:13:34,211 --> 00:13:39,127 a half million. But also. The fact that the region's 203 00:13:39,172 --> 00:13:42,047 budget here was just approved the last week of March. 204 00:13:43,057 --> 00:13:46,892 And truly, that 60% that's going to the region budget 205 00:13:47,577 --> 00:13:49,732 and a lot of the services, of course, are absolutely 206 00:13:49,857 --> 00:13:53,012 necessary. But when the mayor mentions that we have to 207 00:13:53,657 --> 00:13:58,506 be responsible. To improve the revenue. I'm looking at all 208 00:13:58,591 --> 00:14:02,066 sources to improve the revenue, just like the Mayor and 209 00:14:02,111 --> 00:14:04,866 members of council and staff. But there's a certain point 210 00:14:05,511 --> 00:14:08,186 which the voice of a member of council has definitely 211 00:14:08,271 --> 00:14:11,762 changed. Look at this agenda right now. Three items at 212 00:14:11,807 --> 00:14:14,922 the beginning are referred to the Mayor's budget. The Mayor 213 00:14:15,247 --> 00:14:19,425 has basically say in what goes forward. Councilor really starting 214 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:21,825 to veer off. I'm just trying to reply or rebut. 215 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:24,905 The tax rates. I'm just trying to make my case 216 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:30,992 here. I'm thinking that basically. The scheduling must change. So 217 00:14:31,317 --> 00:14:34,472 we have a little bit more understanding of the surpluses 218 00:14:34,797 --> 00:14:37,232 that come forward and the region's budget, because this year. 219 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:41,185 In a year that should be a lot more affordable. 220 00:14:42,686 --> 00:14:45,561 To Osha residents. It's not looking that way. Thank you. 221 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:48,994 Thank you. I'll turn to councilor Mayor Petri because he 222 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:51,274 hasn't spoken. Yet. And then I'll look to you. Yeah. 223 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:56,142 Councilor. Good morning, Mr. Chair. I think that. When you 224 00:14:56,267 --> 00:14:59,422 get into a sort of discussion about finances and affordability. 225 00:15:00,445 --> 00:15:02,360 No one wins, especially if you're in government. So in 226 00:15:02,685 --> 00:15:06,800 this particular case, If we just focus in on what 227 00:15:07,165 --> 00:15:09,280 the facts are, I would have to say that the 228 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:14,639 city of Osha. Actually did a pretty good job. This 229 00:15:14,804 --> 00:15:18,159 committee, the finance department, the mayor. Actually a super job. 230 00:15:19,406 --> 00:15:24,795 And I would hesitate. To accept other municipalities, in particular 231 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,595 the region of Durham's model. That's been a challenge, and 232 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,715 hopefully that can align with ours, because I would suggest 233 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,795 that maybe their timelines and the way that their budget 234 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,944 process. Was undertaken. And provided to both council and the 235 00:15:39,989 --> 00:15:45,630 public may need. To align with ours instead. I would 236 00:15:45,675 --> 00:15:48,390 have to say that it is disappointing that the same 237 00:15:48,795 --> 00:15:53,303 did not happen. In other municipalities, but definitely when it 238 00:15:53,308 --> 00:15:56,383 comes to ours, a lot of heavy lifting occurred, and 239 00:15:56,428 --> 00:16:02,781 I'd have to say. A lot of thoughtful. And informed. 240 00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:06,974 Interaction by the mayor and staff occurred here at the 241 00:16:07,019 --> 00:16:13,304 city, which produced. An impact. That would have otherwise been 242 00:16:13,949 --> 00:16:17,232 much, much higher. As you can tell by the regional. 243 00:16:18,893 --> 00:16:24,628 Increase. That was approved. In the budget just weeks ago. 244 00:16:26,428 --> 00:16:30,183 Our budget process ended months ago, which I would suggest 245 00:16:30,828 --> 00:16:34,798 is intelligent because you're going. Into a calendar year. And 246 00:16:34,883 --> 00:16:38,768 not having to go through. The first quarter of a 247 00:16:38,773 --> 00:16:40,448 calendar year to be able to figure out how much 248 00:16:40,533 --> 00:16:46,204 money you have. For that year. So. I just. Constructively. 249 00:16:46,929 --> 00:16:49,244 It's not like I'm pulling any punches. It's. The same 250 00:16:49,249 --> 00:16:52,099 thing that I've said at the regional level. I hope 251 00:16:52,144 --> 00:16:56,106 that when we get the opportunity. Staff does interact with 252 00:16:56,471 --> 00:17:00,963 us. And other municipalities that have aligned with us and 253 00:17:01,448 --> 00:17:04,603 advance a process that I think is a lot more 254 00:17:04,688 --> 00:17:08,123 sensible. So when it comes to affordability and finance, we 255 00:17:08,168 --> 00:17:10,883 do struggle. We have tools that are very limited here 256 00:17:11,168 --> 00:17:15,548 at the municipality. We've been downloaded onto. I think it's 257 00:17:15,553 --> 00:17:18,788 the same rhetoric and story that you hear. Within each 258 00:17:19,153 --> 00:17:21,908 municipality in Ontario and throughout Canada. But the fact of 259 00:17:22,193 --> 00:17:25,748 the matter is that property taxpayers are impacted heavily as 260 00:17:25,793 --> 00:17:28,948 a result of them having to finance provincial and federal 261 00:17:29,313 --> 00:17:32,348 programs or initiatives such as infrastructure, and we hope that 262 00:17:32,353 --> 00:17:34,588 changes in future. But that's part of the work that 263 00:17:34,593 --> 00:17:37,788 we're doing to not only activate that, but raise awareness 264 00:17:38,153 --> 00:17:40,233 and get the support. As the mayor has done and 265 00:17:40,638 --> 00:17:47,320 other council members. To facilitate community infrastructure and the funding 266 00:17:47,645 --> 00:17:50,720 that's required outside of the property tax base because it 267 00:17:50,725 --> 00:17:55,198 is overburdened. Thank you, other members of committee, visiting members 268 00:17:55,643 --> 00:17:59,558 of council. I'll just provide a brief closing. Remark on 269 00:17:59,963 --> 00:18:03,833 this one. I am sure that we're all concerned about 270 00:18:04,198 --> 00:18:08,153 the cost of living. And taxation impacts on this. But 271 00:18:08,758 --> 00:18:11,073 as has already been alluded to, we're now into the 272 00:18:11,078 --> 00:18:14,419 second week of April. A budget was passed at the 273 00:18:14,784 --> 00:18:17,539 end of last year, so we're almost four months out. 274 00:18:19,061 --> 00:18:21,736 And over three months into the year. It would be 275 00:18:21,781 --> 00:18:26,678 a very awkward thing, given. That business plans are being 276 00:18:26,763 --> 00:18:30,678 executed by departments and branches for council to suddenly not 277 00:18:30,723 --> 00:18:33,908 approve the final tax rates by law. Having said that, 278 00:18:34,153 --> 00:18:35,868 I'll turn to clerks now for the recorded vote that 279 00:18:35,913 --> 00:18:44,972 was called by councilor Neil. Councilor Neil. No. Councilor Mayor 280 00:18:45,337 --> 00:18:52,005 Petri. Yes, Councilor Mark. Yes, councilor mcconkey. No. Mayor Carter? 281 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:59,639 Yes. Councilor Guyrson. Yes. Or affirmative. Thank you. That carries. 282 00:19:00,404 --> 00:19:03,119 Moving on to CF 24 28. And I had to 283 00:19:03,124 --> 00:19:05,879 ask councilor. Mars to pull that for move the recommendation 284 00:19:06,404 --> 00:19:10,136 and recorded vote. Thank you. Recorded vote for council Neil's 285 00:19:10,141 --> 00:19:12,576 declaration. Was there any speakers on this one? Sorry, before 286 00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:17,080 I. Jump ahead. Councilor McConky, I have a question. So 287 00:19:17,525 --> 00:19:22,434 when this now. Is basically being reported. In the reporting 288 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,914 of the Oshwa strategic plan. When the city does see 289 00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:32,106 Oshwak's, strategic plan, which we are doing right now. Should 290 00:19:32,431 --> 00:19:35,994 be coming forward. I think we have the date. But 291 00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:39,274 that's once every four years. Basically three or four or 292 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:44,961 five years. Depending on what timeline you pick. So does 293 00:19:45,326 --> 00:19:48,441 that mean that the update on actions to address poverty 294 00:19:48,806 --> 00:19:52,666 are only going to be reported? When. The city approves 295 00:19:53,271 --> 00:19:55,786 an Oshwa strategic, so we'll be getting annual updates on 296 00:19:56,031 --> 00:19:59,753 the strat plan. That exists once it's passed each year. 297 00:20:00,118 --> 00:20:03,528 This will now get embedded in that update, so. There 298 00:20:03,533 --> 00:20:08,167 will be annual updates. On these actions. And I'm just 299 00:20:08,572 --> 00:20:12,958 wondering if there could be a bit of. An info 300 00:20:13,443 --> 00:20:18,055 package. Not package. What do you call it? Infogram. Because 301 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:22,176 going through these items. It's nice to see the list, 302 00:20:22,261 --> 00:20:24,376 but just for a little more so it can be. 303 00:20:24,421 --> 00:20:28,296 Promoted better because a lot of people ask what is 304 00:20:28,341 --> 00:20:32,256 the city doing to address and then to find it 305 00:20:32,341 --> 00:20:35,336 now when it's part of the strategic plan reporting. Next 306 00:20:35,421 --> 00:20:38,816 time, maybe we'll. Have a little bit more of a 307 00:20:39,261 --> 00:20:41,588 marketing kind of like, I don't know. The correct word 308 00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:44,788 to describe what I'm trying to get through, but it's 309 00:20:44,793 --> 00:20:47,767 nice. To. People don't like to spend a lot of 310 00:20:47,812 --> 00:20:51,207 time reading dense reports or lists and lists. Like if 311 00:20:51,532 --> 00:20:55,247 there was some one page infograph. That's kind of because 312 00:20:55,892 --> 00:20:58,247 this is a concern to everybody how the city of 313 00:20:58,292 --> 00:21:03,638 Oshawa is addressing poverty. Thank you. Sure. I'm sure staff 314 00:21:03,723 --> 00:21:07,678 have noted those comments and that can be part of. 315 00:21:09,188 --> 00:21:12,119 The things that could be brought forward. I'm a big 316 00:21:12,164 --> 00:21:15,319 fan of making information digestible for the public as well. 317 00:21:17,337 --> 00:21:19,772 And I do think that as our communications team has 318 00:21:20,057 --> 00:21:24,980 been staffing up. As proved through the last couple of 319 00:21:25,265 --> 00:21:27,540 budget cycles. Part of it has been to be able 320 00:21:27,585 --> 00:21:31,930 to create good material. For public consumption. Councilor marks, you 321 00:21:31,935 --> 00:21:33,290 had your hand up. Thank you very much. Just briefly, 322 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,530 Mr. Chairman, I'd like to commend staff on number nine, 323 00:21:35,615 --> 00:21:38,970 which is the property tax. Surveyors payment program. This is 324 00:21:39,015 --> 00:21:40,850 a very good tool for people to catch up on 325 00:21:41,095 --> 00:21:43,410 their property. Taxes should they fall into arrears. I can 326 00:21:43,415 --> 00:21:45,730 tell you, as a real estate practitioner in Durham region. 327 00:21:46,055 --> 00:21:48,211 This is quite the case. We are seeing a lot 328 00:21:48,255 --> 00:21:53,321 of power. Sale. Applications move forward by big banks who 329 00:21:53,606 --> 00:21:56,755 are ruthless in making sure that they collect. So this 330 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,755 is nice to see that the city of OShA has 331 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,996 implemented this program, which is further to affect. The recent 332 00:22:04,081 --> 00:22:09,013 state of the economy. And affordability. What seems to be. 333 00:22:10,364 --> 00:22:13,879 A big area right now to focus upon, but I 334 00:22:13,924 --> 00:22:16,199 just wanted to commend staff on number nine and happy 335 00:22:16,524 --> 00:22:19,359 to vote yes on this recommendation. Thank you. Thank you, 336 00:22:19,604 --> 00:22:24,864 Councilor Marks. Any other members of committee. Visiting members. I'll 337 00:22:24,869 --> 00:22:28,224 just maybe echo the commendation to staff on the report 338 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:30,464 as a whole. One of the items that I find 339 00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:37,861 is often missing. In this type of. Inventory is all 340 00:22:38,146 --> 00:22:40,061 the preventative work that we do. So if you look 341 00:22:40,346 --> 00:22:45,440 at our recreation programs, Our arts camps and programs. Funding 342 00:22:45,485 --> 00:22:48,040 into arts and culture and many of the programs, by 343 00:22:48,085 --> 00:22:51,544 extension, that they run. And through our libraries. What's the 344 00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:53,864 old saying? Announce of prevention is worth a pound of 345 00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:56,984 cure. And as a municipality. I think we do as 346 00:22:56,989 --> 00:23:00,420 well as funding OSCC. These are all preventative. These are 347 00:23:00,425 --> 00:23:02,740 the things that help to keep people both out of 348 00:23:03,065 --> 00:23:09,174 poverty. And to enrich their lives so that. Their long 349 00:23:09,219 --> 00:23:12,254 term trajectory is improved upon. So again, thank you to 350 00:23:12,299 --> 00:23:16,600 staff for preparing these particular initiatives. And I will turn 351 00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:19,280 now to the committee for vote. Are there any in 352 00:23:19,605 --> 00:23:23,567 opposition to this item? Oh, sorry. Thank you. Recorder vote 353 00:23:24,292 --> 00:23:30,393 call by councilor Mars. Councilor mark. Yes. Councilor Mary Pittree. 354 00:23:31,278 --> 00:23:37,052 Councilor McConkey. Yes. Councilor Neil has a declaration. Mayor Carter? 355 00:23:37,737 --> 00:23:42,496 Yes. Councilor Geverson? Yes. Five. Affirmative. Thank you. That carries. 356 00:23:42,861 --> 00:23:46,136 Moving on now to CF 24 29. And that was 357 00:23:46,421 --> 00:23:52,605 pulled by. Councilor McConkey. Thank you. Discontinuing the court. Sorry. 358 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:57,419 Are you moving the motion? That's. I have actually sent 359 00:23:57,904 --> 00:24:00,629 an alternate motion. Okay, so give us a moment. We're 360 00:24:00,634 --> 00:24:01,829 going to get that on screen. 361 00:24:19,607 --> 00:24:26,509 Okay, just briefly here. So there is one part. That. 362 00:24:33,704 --> 00:24:35,539 I think that we have to strike the last sentence 363 00:24:35,904 --> 00:24:38,985 just because. It isn't really for any of us on 364 00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:48,851 committee. To state. What the staffing requirements are for something, 365 00:24:49,176 --> 00:24:52,011 but the rest of the material part of the motion. 366 00:24:53,095 --> 00:25:02,533 Is in order for the moment. Mr. Chair, can I 367 00:25:02,578 --> 00:25:04,733 call point of order? Yeah, go ahead. Just to have 368 00:25:04,818 --> 00:25:13,112 your review. Of. Designate something confidential, does it fall in 369 00:25:13,117 --> 00:25:17,752 line with the confidential areas of the procedural bylaw which 370 00:25:17,797 --> 00:25:20,592 we afforded to under the Municipal act. Just by merely 371 00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:24,472 pointing something as confidential, my contention would be and I 372 00:25:24,477 --> 00:25:26,192 would look for your ruling on this, is that this 373 00:25:26,237 --> 00:25:27,952 is out of order because it does not fall into 374 00:25:28,037 --> 00:25:32,926 the maxims of. What is deemed confidential under the procedural 375 00:25:32,971 --> 00:25:37,054 bylaw. And I think also the municipal act as well, 376 00:25:37,379 --> 00:25:42,342 too. And having had no chance. To really get appropriate 377 00:25:42,747 --> 00:25:49,012 staff. Feedback on the procedural side of this because. The 378 00:25:49,017 --> 00:25:53,057 item just came in this morning. Maybe I could help 379 00:25:53,862 --> 00:25:56,897 if this is referred to. Stop, because this is the 380 00:25:56,942 --> 00:26:06,342 exact wording from a report in 2015. So. If it 381 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:10,966 could be, I think the essence of. Okay. Everything in 382 00:26:11,051 --> 00:26:14,286 quotes there. So anyhow, if I read it out loud, 383 00:26:14,971 --> 00:26:18,006 in keeping with the role of counsel to exercise its 384 00:26:18,091 --> 00:26:22,486 supervised refunction rather than discontinue reporting. The corporate payment records 385 00:26:22,531 --> 00:26:26,406 to counsel that the wording from a 2015 staff recommendation 386 00:26:26,491 --> 00:26:11,851 and report finance. What I'm. And if I could read 387 00:26:11,936 --> 00:26:13,611 it out loud. I'm sorry, which part? Is from the 388 00:26:13,656 --> 00:26:14,131 2015 report. 389 00:26:29,992 --> 00:26:34,467 Fin 1582, which was proposed for the practice of producing 390 00:26:34,832 --> 00:26:38,107 corporate payment records that the monthly corporate payment reports. Be 391 00:26:38,392 --> 00:26:41,667 prepared as a confidential payment report to the finance committee 392 00:26:42,312 --> 00:26:46,290 now. Corporate and finance committee. But back then it was 393 00:26:46,615 --> 00:26:51,130 finance committee outlining monthly expenditures considered confidential and such report 394 00:26:51,455 --> 00:26:54,610 will be available on the city's secured shared drive for 395 00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:57,690 all counselors in the mayor to review the confidential report 396 00:26:58,015 --> 00:27:02,274 will require. Minimal monthly staffing efforts and will replace the 397 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,512 existing format of the public report. This is an issue 398 00:27:05,877 --> 00:27:09,709 that I've been involved in as a private citizen. Back 399 00:27:10,034 --> 00:27:14,687 in 2015. And then. Have you ruled if you're accepting 400 00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:17,367 this or not, or if the conference now that I 401 00:27:17,732 --> 00:27:22,653 understand, the better the part that. This was a quote 402 00:27:22,698 --> 00:27:27,361 from a previous report. And. I think what committee needs 403 00:27:27,406 --> 00:27:30,121 to do is ask staff questions on the. Thank you, 404 00:27:30,446 --> 00:27:34,654 sir. Okay. Do I still have the floor? Thank you. 405 00:27:36,237 --> 00:27:40,902 So discontinuing the practice. I understand. It's a lot of 406 00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:46,237 paperwork. That. Is reproduced. And it used to go on 407 00:27:46,522 --> 00:27:50,596 the info package. But I find asking questions is the 408 00:27:50,641 --> 00:27:55,177 way we basically make better decisions. Finding out as much 409 00:27:55,262 --> 00:27:59,964 information as we can. And taking this away is something. 410 00:28:01,111 --> 00:28:05,377 That. Is problematic in a lot of ways. The financial 411 00:28:05,702 --> 00:28:09,737 oversight section. In the report 5.3, it says council has 412 00:28:10,102 --> 00:28:14,937 significant oversight related to the payments. It's not actually council 413 00:28:14,982 --> 00:28:17,737 that has the purchase orders and we have to ask. 414 00:28:18,462 --> 00:28:20,817 For the packing slips, the whole list that goes on 415 00:28:21,182 --> 00:28:24,745 there. I ask because I don't have access to the 416 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:27,985 bids and tenders to see the scope of certain things. 417 00:28:29,447 --> 00:28:33,424 We approve them at committee. But we don't know in 418 00:28:33,429 --> 00:28:41,429 the end, normally. Except there is one report today. On 419 00:28:41,514 --> 00:28:44,309 the agenda. I know I'm getting a little off track. 420 00:28:46,228 --> 00:28:49,569 I'm just finding that. We need to have as much 421 00:28:49,654 --> 00:28:56,175 information as possible. When we're making decisions here. And. If 422 00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:59,675 council. Sorry. The main thrust of this is that. There's 423 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,755 some cybersecurity elements to it, but city has spent a 424 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,536 lot of money on cybersecurity. And the fact that it's 425 00:29:08,541 --> 00:29:12,176 time consuming for staff. The city has spent money on 426 00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:16,857 new hires for finance. I don't see this as onerous. 427 00:29:17,873 --> 00:29:20,666 I think. It's integral to the role of council members 428 00:29:21,071 --> 00:29:24,706 to have this oversight, knowing what happens in other municipalities. 429 00:29:25,655 --> 00:29:29,726 On occasion. In the past, there was an issue. In 430 00:29:29,771 --> 00:29:33,406 the city of Oshawa, and it's just to make sure 431 00:29:34,171 --> 00:29:38,778 that. There may be monthly reports, and I appreciate the 432 00:29:38,823 --> 00:29:44,031 fact that the finance staff put. Quarterly reports in, and 433 00:29:44,396 --> 00:29:49,487 I believe seeing those confidentially. Is great, but. To actually 434 00:29:50,252 --> 00:29:53,047 stop producing that. And I know the report mentions the 435 00:29:53,332 --> 00:29:59,589 other municipalities. Only. Brock does that provides the rule to 436 00:29:59,834 --> 00:30:02,309 the mayor in Brock and the other municipalities are not 437 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:06,629 reporting on the check rules. But here's the thing. Just 438 00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:10,029 because others aren't, I actually. Think we have to give 439 00:30:10,114 --> 00:30:13,798 Oshwa credit that we do this. It's so important nowadays. 440 00:30:14,795 --> 00:30:20,139 To ensure that. There is the transparency. And without transparency, 441 00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:23,840 There's no accountability. We wear it. If we find out 442 00:30:24,245 --> 00:30:28,537 that. Something's gone amiss, and hopefully that doesn't happen under. 443 00:30:29,955 --> 00:30:36,503 Our term. But there's other terms. There's other. Situations that 444 00:30:36,948 --> 00:30:40,211 we have to plan for the future. And. I think 445 00:30:40,296 --> 00:30:44,900 that. There's really. The interest should be there in keeping 446 00:30:45,225 --> 00:30:48,682 this moving forward. There was a time when they were 447 00:30:48,767 --> 00:30:52,885 talking about doing away with it. And public came forward. 448 00:30:54,452 --> 00:30:56,767 Right now, we're in a situation where we don't have 449 00:30:57,132 --> 00:31:01,324 much media coverage on what's going on? I don't know 450 00:31:01,769 --> 00:31:05,684 how transparent this is right now before the public, but 451 00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:09,953 why take it? Away. I just don't believe that. It's 452 00:31:10,358 --> 00:31:12,233 the best move here for us. So I will be 453 00:31:12,278 --> 00:31:17,149 voting against the report if this motion. Is not either 454 00:31:17,594 --> 00:31:23,293 referred or if it's not accepted. I rew the day, 455 00:31:23,378 --> 00:31:27,429 actually, when this sort of thing happens, because. We have 456 00:31:27,514 --> 00:31:30,149 such. I mean, we're looking through things now, like I've 457 00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:32,389 said this. Before through a pinhole. We need to have 458 00:31:32,754 --> 00:31:36,429 better overview on certain things, so that's. All I have 459 00:31:36,714 --> 00:31:39,509 to say. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. I saw councilor 460 00:31:39,794 --> 00:31:43,389 marks hand. Yeah. Briefly. I can't support this motion without 461 00:31:43,754 --> 00:31:46,989 vetting the wording of the 2015 motion. That was brought 462 00:31:47,314 --> 00:31:50,078 forward. We can't marry it up. We don't know. Why 463 00:31:50,163 --> 00:31:53,758 the staff were indicating that the 2015 report create this 464 00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:58,118 as a confidential payment report. You marry? Up the motion 465 00:31:58,203 --> 00:32:00,798 against the legislation and against the procedural bylaw to see 466 00:32:00,803 --> 00:32:03,358 if it falls into the confidential wording. I've spoken to 467 00:32:03,403 --> 00:32:08,317 the commissioner. These aren't confidential reports. They are given. I've 468 00:32:08,362 --> 00:32:10,677 also been assured by the commissioner if any one of 469 00:32:10,682 --> 00:32:13,644 us or any one of our colleagues. Has any sort 470 00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:15,964 of information that they require on corporate payments. I'm sure 471 00:32:16,209 --> 00:32:19,484 the commissioner team would respond. In lightning quick with those 472 00:32:19,889 --> 00:32:22,925 information. Members of the public also have the ability to 473 00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:26,365 come into the city, make a request, and get the 474 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:28,565 information that they need. They have to be pretty precise 475 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:32,156 because it is a lot of breadth. Information, but. There's 476 00:32:32,161 --> 00:32:35,116 certainly the transparency element. I'm just not buying that argument 477 00:32:35,441 --> 00:32:37,716 today, I think. It's a situation where this information is 478 00:32:38,121 --> 00:32:41,556 available if members of the committee or council request this 479 00:32:41,641 --> 00:32:44,316 information, you contact the commissioner and her team, and I'm 480 00:32:44,321 --> 00:32:47,982 sure it will be provided. But to vote this and 481 00:32:47,987 --> 00:32:49,822 make it confidential, I'm just not going to support that. 482 00:32:50,227 --> 00:32:56,422 Thank you. Other members. Of the committee, any visiting members 483 00:32:56,787 --> 00:33:00,731 of council. Okay. For a second time, Councilor McConky. Well, 484 00:33:00,776 --> 00:33:03,491 if have members not comfortable, I would like to refer 485 00:33:03,616 --> 00:33:07,171 this back to staff to investigate because there's no mention 486 00:33:07,616 --> 00:33:10,331 of the report from 2015, so I'm referring it back. 487 00:33:10,616 --> 00:33:14,657 So. You're moving a referral motion. Referral of the motion 488 00:33:14,942 --> 00:33:18,137 that I've put forward. Yes, that's understood. Thank you. So 489 00:33:18,422 --> 00:33:22,533 there's a referral. Recorded vote, please. Okay, councilor McConk has 490 00:33:22,578 --> 00:33:30,323 called for a recorded vote. On the referral. Councilor mcconkey. 491 00:33:30,368 --> 00:33:36,123 Yes, councilor mayor petri. Councilor mark. No, councilor neil. Yes. 492 00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:42,230 Mayor carter, no. Councilor guyberson, no. Ferrell. Okay. Sorry, the 493 00:33:42,275 --> 00:33:45,976 referral fails. So I think that right now what we 494 00:33:45,981 --> 00:33:50,022 have is this item. Were there any other speakers on 495 00:33:50,307 --> 00:33:53,818 the replacement motion? Councilor McConaughey, would you like a recorded 496 00:33:53,983 --> 00:33:58,895 vote on the motion? I would. Okay. Is lane back 497 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:08,038 to you. On the replacement motion, Councilor McConkey. The replacement 498 00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:09,838 motion being the motion. This is what's in front of 499 00:34:09,843 --> 00:34:14,377 us. So this would be the motion for the item 500 00:34:14,702 --> 00:34:21,846 on the agenda? Yes. Councilor mayor Petri. Councilor Mark? No. 501 00:34:22,651 --> 00:34:29,367 Councilor Neil. Yes. Mayor Carter? No. Councilor Gerson. Four negative. 502 00:34:30,012 --> 00:34:33,767 Okay, so the item fails. Councilor marks. So councilor Marks 503 00:34:34,012 --> 00:34:39,014 has moved the recommend. Recommendation. Did you want to speak 504 00:34:39,339 --> 00:34:42,294 to the item? Members of committee on the item recorded 505 00:34:42,779 --> 00:34:45,054 vote, please. Okay. Councilor McConky has asked for a recorded 506 00:34:45,499 --> 00:34:49,299 vote. Are there any? Further on the report. I will 507 00:34:49,384 --> 00:34:54,943 just provide. One closing remark on this one as well, 508 00:34:55,748 --> 00:34:59,384 in terms of. Both the content and the intent of 509 00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:05,753 the report. I think. It's important to recall that council's 510 00:35:06,078 --> 00:35:09,153 role. We approve bylaws and policies. And we have oversight 511 00:35:09,198 --> 00:35:13,294 of procedure. But ultimately it's up for staff to execute 512 00:35:13,379 --> 00:35:17,586 on those. And as the report highlights, There are an 513 00:35:17,671 --> 00:35:24,232 abundance of processes and checks. And redundancies built into the 514 00:35:24,317 --> 00:35:26,825 system. The other thing that I want to note on 515 00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:31,980 this item is that. As our municipality grows, we have 516 00:35:32,025 --> 00:35:34,780 to decide what exercises produce value for the city and 517 00:35:35,105 --> 00:35:38,471 for the community. And sometimes it means taking a look 518 00:35:38,476 --> 00:35:43,308 at things that might be in this case. 60 year 519 00:35:43,353 --> 00:35:49,202 old policies. And determining is this actually. Producing value for 520 00:35:49,527 --> 00:35:53,522 the community and for the municipality? Or could staff resources 521 00:35:53,567 --> 00:35:57,001 be deployed in ways that might be more strategic. And 522 00:35:57,086 --> 00:36:03,197 policy driven and improvement initiative driven. So I think that's 523 00:36:03,242 --> 00:36:06,477 the other part of this item that underlies the intent. 524 00:36:07,383 --> 00:36:09,698 So every court of vote has been called by Councilor 525 00:36:09,743 --> 00:36:17,861 McConky. On the main motion. As pursuant to report cf. 526 00:36:17,946 --> 00:36:25,697 24 29, Councilor McConkey. No, councilor. Mayor Petri. Sorry. Can 527 00:36:25,742 --> 00:36:28,417 you hit the microphone for that, just so it's on? 528 00:36:28,862 --> 00:36:35,674 Yes. Thank you, councilor. Marks? Yes. Councilor Neil? No. Mayor 529 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:40,914 Carter? Yes. Councilor Guyberson, yes to four. Affirmative. Thank you. 530 00:36:40,999 --> 00:36:44,434 That item carries. Moving on to the last item pulled, 531 00:36:44,479 --> 00:36:51,308 which is CF 24 30, contract award c. 2024. 14 532 00:36:52,033 --> 00:36:54,788 energy audits, and that was also pulled by councilor McConkey. 533 00:36:55,033 --> 00:36:59,508 Councilor McConkey are you moving the item? Yes. I just 534 00:36:59,553 --> 00:37:02,308 had some questions of staff. Sure you have. The floor. 535 00:37:02,353 --> 00:37:08,310 And. Through you two. Commissioner, Senate. I sent a request 536 00:37:08,955 --> 00:37:16,238 in asking about. The. Deep dive into the. Energy. Looking 537 00:37:16,323 --> 00:37:22,485 for. That email that you sent me yesterday. I'm asking 538 00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:28,918 how it compares to. This report and the audit that's 539 00:37:28,963 --> 00:37:36,533 being done. What's the difference? 540 00:37:38,628 --> 00:37:42,103 Commissioner. Sorry, can you repeat the question? It's not clear 541 00:37:42,188 --> 00:37:48,845 to me. Okay, so I had asked you. About another 542 00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:53,472 energy audit. I'm just trying to find the email that 543 00:37:53,517 --> 00:38:00,073 you sent, because that was. The number. And I'm having 544 00:38:00,158 --> 00:38:01,673 trouble finding my pages here. 545 00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:24,727 This energy audit. Is basically related to Project 1085. And 546 00:38:24,812 --> 00:38:28,886 the one that I sent and asked about. And you 547 00:38:29,251 --> 00:38:39,038 replied, giving me. The financial. Approval. And the 548 00:38:39,083 --> 00:38:47,049 rfp. What project number was that? Commissioner. 549 00:38:50,471 --> 00:38:55,561 It was project ten. 86, as was approved in the 550 00:38:55,886 --> 00:38:59,641 2024 capital budget. Thank you. So can you explain to 551 00:38:59,926 --> 00:39:03,561 me the difference between Project 100 zero 85 and 100 552 00:39:03,886 --> 00:39:07,161 zero 86 because they're both for a lot of money. 553 00:39:08,088 --> 00:39:12,083 And it's not clear to me the difference what's being 554 00:39:12,488 --> 00:39:16,508 accomplished. I'll turn to the commissioner for this, but this 555 00:39:16,553 --> 00:39:21,411 really is about. Approving the outcome of the RFP for 556 00:39:21,696 --> 00:39:24,491 this item. So maybe if the commissioner could answer. In 557 00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,331 brief, but I don't want us to go too far 558 00:39:26,736 --> 00:39:29,891 down the road on a different capital budget item. 559 00:40:13,648 --> 00:40:16,763 So I believe the difference between the two is that 560 00:40:17,488 --> 00:40:21,203 one looks at sort of energy consumption in terms of. 561 00:40:22,328 --> 00:40:26,149 Reducing. The amount of energy that we would use in 562 00:40:26,474 --> 00:40:29,269 a facility, and the other one deals with decarbonization. Of 563 00:40:29,314 --> 00:40:33,481 a building. Okay, so the total between the two is 564 00:40:33,846 --> 00:40:37,192 spread over. A number of years and a lot of 565 00:40:37,477 --> 00:40:40,232 money. And in my request, when I was asking for 566 00:40:40,237 --> 00:40:47,317 the RFP. For the. I didn't hear back. Is this? 567 00:40:49,477 --> 00:40:52,209 Particular report that we have on the agenda. Is it 568 00:40:52,694 --> 00:40:57,739 phased? The total amount. Being a lot more than what's 569 00:40:57,744 --> 00:41:06,775 here. 100. And 50. Not to exceed 150. So when 570 00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:13,125 this is contracted, does it continue with. The same. Supplier, 571 00:41:13,810 --> 00:41:19,863 I guess. Lots of better word. The procurement was issued. 572 00:41:22,262 --> 00:41:28,063 For. 2024. At energy audits for initial one year term. 573 00:41:29,429 --> 00:41:31,464 With the option to renew, so it's not going back 574 00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:35,045 out for another RFp. When this goes through. Is this 575 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:39,442 correct that we are sticking with. The same commissioner provider. 576 00:41:40,948 --> 00:41:43,663 Through you. Chair Garberson yes, we would continue with the 577 00:41:43,708 --> 00:41:48,223 same provider, provided that we have satisfactory service, satisfactory pricing, 578 00:41:48,588 --> 00:41:53,118 and capital a budget. And so the total amount of 579 00:41:53,803 --> 00:41:56,998 this audit over the course of what number of years 580 00:41:57,283 --> 00:42:01,318 was it? Four years. Four years. The total amount. Could 581 00:42:01,363 --> 00:42:04,112 you give it to me again, please? Over four years 582 00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:07,192 would be $1 million. And the other one that we 583 00:42:07,237 --> 00:42:12,521 were looking at. Similar going to the different facilities doing 584 00:42:12,846 --> 00:42:16,227 an energy audit. But also for an extended period of 585 00:42:16,193 --> 00:42:24,820 time. Sorry, which other one you're referring to? The other 586 00:42:24,865 --> 00:42:29,710 capital project. Exactly. I'm just. But I'd like to know 587 00:42:29,995 --> 00:42:32,350 what we're spending on energy audits at this. Point in 588 00:42:32,395 --> 00:42:38,890 time. The item that's in front of us is. 85 589 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:42,330 and approving the RFP for that. Right. So the RFP 590 00:42:42,695 --> 00:42:46,816 for 150 or the award of contract. Is really 150. 591 00:42:48,761 --> 00:42:54,923 But. We just heard it. Over four years. Yes. I've 592 00:42:54,928 --> 00:42:57,203 been saying, instead of looking narrowly, I like to see 593 00:42:57,528 --> 00:42:59,883 a larger picture here. So. Thank you for that information. 594 00:43:00,288 --> 00:43:02,963 That's what I was looking for. Okay. Thank you. Anyone 595 00:43:03,368 --> 00:43:08,580 else? On this item, on the award of contract. See 596 00:43:08,665 --> 00:43:15,371 none. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none that carries. 597 00:43:16,619 --> 00:43:25,478 Okay, moving on to items introduced by councilors. I will 598 00:43:25,763 --> 00:43:28,078 turn to councilor, mayor and Petrieus on your hand. Yeah, 599 00:43:28,323 --> 00:43:30,678 nothing to introduce. I just wanted to compliment you in 600 00:43:30,683 --> 00:43:32,478 the work that you're doing with staff. Did a great 601 00:43:32,523 --> 00:43:34,598 job today in the meeting, and I think that our 602 00:43:34,643 --> 00:43:38,233 finance staff has been under pressure. And has done an 603 00:43:38,598 --> 00:43:42,051 excellent job in being able to deliver. Both our core 604 00:43:42,736 --> 00:43:45,411 services and a number of capital projects which I think 605 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,651 are going to benefit the community into the future, so. 606 00:43:49,321 --> 00:43:51,916 I just want to acknowledge that chair. Thank you, councilor. 607 00:43:52,241 --> 00:43:54,996 And hopefully the commissioner can convey that. To the finance 608 00:43:55,281 --> 00:43:59,431 team and the director. Okay. Sorry. Items introduced by councilor. 609 00:43:59,516 --> 00:44:03,489 So, Councilor McConky. Yes. Thank you. I believe you had 610 00:44:03,774 --> 00:44:05,249 three items that you sent in, so we're going to. 611 00:44:05,574 --> 00:44:07,369 Do them one at a time. I don't know if 612 00:44:07,374 --> 00:44:09,569 you had the chance to see. My email. The third 613 00:44:09,654 --> 00:44:11,849 one, I don't think it would be an order because 614 00:44:12,134 --> 00:44:14,369 there's an item pretty much identical to that that's coming 615 00:44:14,454 --> 00:44:17,849 forward to the Eds committee, actually. It's not identical. We'll 616 00:44:17,894 --> 00:44:19,289 come to that one when we do, but let's. Start 617 00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:21,489 with them in order that they were sent. Thank you. 618 00:44:22,828 --> 00:44:24,303 Just a moment while we get that first one on 619 00:44:24,708 --> 00:44:24,743 screen. 620 00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:39,705 Just one moment, committee. 621 00:44:58,694 --> 00:45:05,371 Yeah. So, just so you are aware in advance, the 622 00:45:05,416 --> 00:45:11,532 first item. The deputy city clerk has recommended that this 623 00:45:11,617 --> 00:45:17,203 be referred. To to clerk staff for a report. But 624 00:45:17,968 --> 00:45:21,178 we'll get it on screen first. And do this one 625 00:45:21,223 --> 00:45:22,178 step at a time here. 626 00:45:37,964 --> 00:45:40,279 Okay. So, Councilor McConkey, did you want to read that 627 00:45:40,604 --> 00:45:42,799 motion? Thank you. In keeping with the city's commitment to 628 00:45:42,844 --> 00:45:45,959 be an accessible place of employment and removing barriers. I 629 00:45:45,964 --> 00:45:49,119 don't think we need the comma, that AShwa accessibility Advisory 630 00:45:49,444 --> 00:45:53,559 committee, OAAC members be permitted virtual participation at all meetings. 631 00:45:54,738 --> 00:45:59,399 Access. Without a restriction of notifying clerks Department 24 hours 632 00:45:59,524 --> 00:46:05,094 prior to an OAAc meeting. This actually came as a 633 00:46:05,099 --> 00:46:08,734 shock to members of the OAAC last month when they 634 00:46:08,739 --> 00:46:14,589 were told. They needed to notify the clerks 24 hours 635 00:46:15,274 --> 00:46:19,329 prior had not been in practice before. And other members 636 00:46:20,054 --> 00:46:24,811 of the committee actually wanted to make the motion. But 637 00:46:24,896 --> 00:46:29,691 as Jennifer will recall, Committee was told that no, it 638 00:46:29,736 --> 00:46:32,091 had to. They could not make a motion to counsel 639 00:46:32,896 --> 00:46:37,296 on something. That. Is council policy. But the council policy 640 00:46:37,741 --> 00:46:39,976 that may be there, which I actually don't agree with 641 00:46:40,261 --> 00:46:44,855 at this. Point. It came early. After Covid, but it 642 00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:48,895 was never put into practice at the oaac. Members of 643 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:54,317 the oaac. Are very dedicated, give a lot of time. 644 00:46:55,298 --> 00:46:59,774 Come to the city hall when they can. And some 645 00:46:59,819 --> 00:47:03,548 of them are in not good health. And still come. 646 00:47:03,913 --> 00:47:09,723 But others. Things crop up. Not only health issues, but. 647 00:47:10,912 --> 00:47:17,698 Weather issues. The meeting, actually, when this was discussed. There 648 00:47:17,703 --> 00:47:20,858 was a snow event which was unexpected. This winter has 649 00:47:20,863 --> 00:47:22,778 been kind of erratic that way. We've had lots of 650 00:47:22,823 --> 00:47:25,418 fine weather, and then when the snow comes, sometimes it's 651 00:47:25,423 --> 00:47:27,578 been a bit of a surprise, and the snow started 652 00:47:27,903 --> 00:47:30,778 in the afternoon, and by the time for the evening 653 00:47:31,103 --> 00:47:35,325 committee meeting. Some were thinking that they may not be 654 00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:37,605 able to get to the committee meeting and hadn't. Called 655 00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:42,428 in ahead. Because like I said, In march. This was 656 00:47:42,833 --> 00:47:46,535 basically a notice that all members received. And I have 657 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:51,269 discussed some of this. With staff. I just believe at 658 00:47:51,554 --> 00:47:54,409 this point, virtual meetings are such a thing. I mean, 659 00:47:54,894 --> 00:47:59,315 staff have the ability. To come to work or work 660 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,789 from home. Virtual is. Part of the everyday workplace now. 661 00:48:05,935 --> 00:48:13,128 And I believe that members of. The clerk's department. Who 662 00:48:13,573 --> 00:48:16,928 are monitoring a meeting would be able to make sure 663 00:48:17,613 --> 00:48:21,217 there's a connection. If it might be a matter of 664 00:48:21,822 --> 00:48:24,257 tuning things up and plugging something in, but I believe 665 00:48:24,702 --> 00:48:29,620 hopefully it's something that all clerks. Staff are able to 666 00:48:29,985 --> 00:48:33,555 do to ensure that. We have the. You know how 667 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,595 awkward it is when committee has a problem with connections, 668 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,441 but I. Think we've gotten better at it. It's been 669 00:48:41,806 --> 00:48:46,351 a fair number of meetings since. The first policies about 670 00:48:46,476 --> 00:48:51,258 virtual meetings came in. And especially with this particular committee, 671 00:48:51,943 --> 00:48:54,738 who I know the members well. Now, after five years, 672 00:48:56,281 --> 00:49:00,982 Serving with them. There's no more dedicated people on an 673 00:49:01,067 --> 00:49:05,662 advisory committee than on the OAAC, and they were upset, 674 00:49:06,347 --> 00:49:08,982 and I'm embarrassed that they were, that they were told 675 00:49:09,067 --> 00:49:12,022 that they have to call in 24 hours before an 676 00:49:12,067 --> 00:49:16,142 OAAC meeting. Those are my comments, and I'm not sure 677 00:49:16,467 --> 00:49:19,069 why. This is a corporate policy. Why it would not 678 00:49:19,394 --> 00:49:27,368 be before this committee. Thank you. Thank you. Is there 679 00:49:27,853 --> 00:49:30,528 any other speakers? I probably turn to committee just based 680 00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:34,568 on the deputy clerk's. Suggestion that I have in an 681 00:49:34,853 --> 00:49:38,279 email that it be referred to staff for report. Is 682 00:49:38,284 --> 00:49:41,748 that councilor Mark did. I agree with the motion in 683 00:49:41,793 --> 00:49:45,609 spirit, certainly. The 24 hours policy that was in place. 684 00:49:45,894 --> 00:49:49,453 Just to refresh my memory. Because I know often if 685 00:49:49,498 --> 00:49:51,693 I call and there's a meeting, the clerk set up 686 00:49:52,298 --> 00:49:54,853 a telephone conference. I don't get that email straight away, 687 00:49:55,178 --> 00:49:57,933 so I don't know if it's a logistical issue that 688 00:49:58,298 --> 00:50:02,053 maybe these hours couldn't be manipulated to certainly create. A 689 00:50:02,138 --> 00:50:04,813 situation where people feel like they have some accessibility to 690 00:50:04,858 --> 00:50:08,013 the meeting, but I just don't. Know the 24 hours. 691 00:50:08,705 --> 00:50:11,860 Prior. Is that something that staff require or is it 692 00:50:11,905 --> 00:50:15,879 something that can be a bridge? Certainly to this case. 693 00:50:17,075 --> 00:50:19,470 And I'm happy to take your direction or your concern 694 00:50:19,515 --> 00:50:22,070 on this, Mr. Chair. I do agree with the motion 695 00:50:22,435 --> 00:50:27,390 spirit. Yeah. And just for clarification, part of it is 696 00:50:27,755 --> 00:50:30,895 in the procedure bylaw. So I think that that's probably 697 00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,935 why the deputy city clerk is asking for it to 698 00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:35,735 be referred so that they can figure out what the 699 00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:38,695 moving parts are, because some of it is as you're 700 00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:40,495 alluding to, would be operational. But then some of it's 701 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,668 actually embedded in the procedure bylaw and. It isn't so 702 00:50:43,713 --> 00:50:47,188 much. 24 hours prior notice it's a noon the previous 703 00:50:47,273 --> 00:50:54,794 day. Previous business day. So order referral. Complicate councilor McConkey's 704 00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,194 ability to have the next advisory committee meeting. Or would 705 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,474 we? I think in any case, there would have to 706 00:51:00,479 --> 00:51:03,034 be a look at it, would take some time in 707 00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,314 any case, because it would both be operational. That would 708 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,434 have to be looked. At and the procedural bylaw. Can 709 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,954 somebody tell me when the next accessibility advisory committee meeting 710 00:51:10,959 --> 00:51:13,747 is? Monthly, are they? Not usually. It's the first 3rd 711 00:51:13,832 --> 00:51:16,767 week. Yeah, it's coming up. Yeah. So, I mean, the 712 00:51:16,772 --> 00:51:18,727 next one is coming up shortly in any case, I 713 00:51:18,732 --> 00:51:20,967 think this will take a bit of time for staff. 714 00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:26,106 To. Those are my question, okay? Would there be a 715 00:51:26,151 --> 00:51:34,487 referral motion? Okay. Mayor Carter has moved a referral. All 716 00:51:34,612 --> 00:51:40,857 in favor of the referral? Opposed. See one hand. Opposed? 717 00:51:41,542 --> 00:51:45,834 Recorded vote, please. Okay, recorded vote. We'll give a record 718 00:51:45,919 --> 00:51:50,489 of over this one for Councilor McCaukey. Thank you. Councilor 719 00:51:50,854 --> 00:52:00,677 McConkey. No. Councilor man Petri? No. Councilor marks? Yes. Councilor 720 00:52:00,722 --> 00:52:09,911 Neil? No. Mayor Carter? No. Councilor Guyrson? Yes. That. Two. 721 00:52:09,956 --> 00:52:13,191 Affirmative or negative? Okay, the referral doesn't carry, so now 722 00:52:13,476 --> 00:52:18,027 we have. The item that's here. Okay. A record vote 723 00:52:18,032 --> 00:52:20,792 on the item. And I want to take one last 724 00:52:21,157 --> 00:52:22,952 look at it here to make sure that I know 725 00:52:23,277 --> 00:52:33,165 what I'm voting on. So. The difficulty here 726 00:52:33,490 --> 00:52:35,245 with the wording as is, which was why I was 727 00:52:35,290 --> 00:52:38,725 sort of leaning on the referral request from the deputy 728 00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:43,022 city clerk is that I'm trying to determine. I don't 729 00:52:43,067 --> 00:52:44,982 want to say whether it's in order or not, but 730 00:52:45,707 --> 00:52:48,942 it is. Missing the part. That would require an amendment 731 00:52:48,947 --> 00:52:54,339 to the procedure bylaw. For this to be accommodated so. 732 00:52:56,843 --> 00:53:00,083 I'm not trying to weigh in on. Whether it might 733 00:53:00,128 --> 00:53:04,055 be a thing worth investigating. And have merit to it. 734 00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:05,895 It may have merit to take another look now that 735 00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:07,935 it's been a couple of years since these were put 736 00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:15,826 in place. It's. Missing some pieces, I guess, is. What? 737 00:53:16,677 --> 00:53:22,482 I'm alluding to here. Yeah. Currently. It's contrary to the 738 00:53:22,487 --> 00:53:24,882 procedure bylaw. It would need language that says a recommendation. 739 00:53:25,167 --> 00:53:30,548 To amend the procedural bylaw. Would you accept? Notwithstanding the 740 00:53:30,593 --> 00:53:35,213 procedural bylaw, It confines it to the accessibility advisory committee. 741 00:53:38,553 --> 00:53:40,628 It's a little bit tricky because, really, it usually requires 742 00:53:40,873 --> 00:53:43,468 a two thirds vote from council. To waive something that's 743 00:53:43,473 --> 00:53:52,778 already in place, but. We've got two. Two weeks. Three 744 00:53:52,823 --> 00:53:56,401 weeks until council. When is the three? Is it three? 745 00:53:56,806 --> 00:54:02,872 So. I'll take notwithstanding. And perhaps. In that time, staff 746 00:54:02,917 --> 00:54:06,103 would be able to get some elaboration on. What would 747 00:54:06,428 --> 00:54:11,825 be necessary in order to do this? So that's an 748 00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:18,249 amendment to add, notwithstanding. Notwithstanding the procedural bylaw, I'll take 749 00:54:18,294 --> 00:54:22,136 it as a friendly. I prefer not to. It's a 750 00:54:22,141 --> 00:54:25,902 bad habit we've gotten into. So I don't want to 751 00:54:25,987 --> 00:54:30,022 promote that. So the amendment is notwithstanding the procedural bylaw. 752 00:54:30,307 --> 00:54:34,365 And that would be right at the front of. The 753 00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:38,424 moment. I'll turn to speakers on the amendment once that's 754 00:54:38,669 --> 00:54:46,749 up in front of us. I mean, if it's a 755 00:54:46,754 --> 00:54:53,621 point of order, someone can jump in and. Mr. Chair, 756 00:54:54,266 --> 00:54:56,141 I do have a point of order, and the issue 757 00:54:56,226 --> 00:55:03,796 being is 31 two, which is. Electronic participation meetings, subsection 758 00:55:03,801 --> 00:55:07,116 b. It says a member must advise a clerk no 759 00:55:07,321 --> 00:55:11,947 later than. The business day before the meeting. Of the 760 00:55:11,992 --> 00:55:14,747 intent of the participation of electronic in order to assure 761 00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:18,707 proper technology is enabled to make sure participation is possible. 762 00:55:19,552 --> 00:55:23,747 Then when you go to the definitions under member says 763 00:55:23,832 --> 00:55:26,907 member means according to the circumstances. A member of council, 764 00:55:26,992 --> 00:55:31,267 including mayor. A member of committee, including the chair. I 765 00:55:31,312 --> 00:55:36,728 don't. Know. Is that? A formal committee. Is that an 766 00:55:36,733 --> 00:55:43,848 advisory committee? I'm just looking at it here and. I 767 00:55:43,853 --> 00:55:45,008 just like that there might be a little bit of 768 00:55:45,253 --> 00:55:47,728 wiggle room, given that it's. Not exposed. I don't know. 769 00:55:48,491 --> 00:55:50,966 The issue being is I don't have a problem with 770 00:55:51,771 --> 00:55:54,846 the accessibility aspects of them having it like to be 771 00:55:54,891 --> 00:55:56,726 able to do it. They're an advisory group, and I'd 772 00:55:57,011 --> 00:56:01,250 like to see that. I'm struggling with that anyways. Well, 773 00:56:01,535 --> 00:56:03,450 Ms. Lane has reminded me that it is a committee 774 00:56:03,495 --> 00:56:07,652 of council now. They have their own procedural. Yes, but 775 00:56:07,937 --> 00:56:17,842 with. So. As Ms. Lane has noted, if there 776 00:56:17,887 --> 00:56:23,954 isn't something that specifies. A particular procedure within. Their policy 777 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,274 and procedure. Then it falls back to whatever the procedure 778 00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:36,114 of council. I appreciate it. The clerk's department will have 779 00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:38,674 a couple of weeks just to figure out what would 780 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:46,212 be. Sort of a reasonable approach to it. I would 781 00:56:46,297 --> 00:56:49,332 presume that it would either need to be an amendment 782 00:56:49,657 --> 00:56:52,892 to the procedural bylaw. Or an amendment to add something. 783 00:56:54,575 --> 00:56:58,384 Into their policy and procedure guidebook. Because then something would 784 00:56:58,749 --> 00:57:05,059 exist and wouldn't require. Anyway, so. We have the amendment 785 00:57:05,384 --> 00:57:07,699 in front of us, notwithstanding procedure bylaw. 786 00:57:19,268 --> 00:57:26,017 Okay. So now I'm being told. Notwithstanding, is not allowed. 787 00:57:26,382 --> 00:57:27,697 Yeah, I was going to say that, Mr. Chair. So 788 00:57:27,982 --> 00:57:30,524 I have something for. You. I think in the spirit 789 00:57:30,529 --> 00:57:32,684 of what you just indicated, because I was just going 790 00:57:32,689 --> 00:57:36,129 to say that. We were unable to use notwithstanding earlier. 791 00:57:37,578 --> 00:57:43,121 On another issue. And I would attest that the notwithstanding 792 00:57:43,486 --> 00:57:47,161 could have been used here without any sort of confusion. 793 00:57:48,968 --> 00:57:53,021 But. Notwithstanding the fact that we can't use it. I 794 00:57:53,026 --> 00:57:57,141 think we could just indicate that the procedural bylaw be 795 00:57:57,386 --> 00:58:00,261 amended accordingly. And that leaves clerks. With ample room to 796 00:58:00,266 --> 00:58:03,858 be able to navigate that. And should they need to 797 00:58:03,903 --> 00:58:06,498 add things accordingly, allows them to do so and bring 798 00:58:06,543 --> 00:58:08,738 it back to council with the appropriate ordering. I'd be 799 00:58:09,023 --> 00:58:10,898 fine with that, if that's the wording. That we want 800 00:58:11,143 --> 00:58:13,498 to look at. And in that time, if clerks looks 801 00:58:13,863 --> 00:58:16,578 at it and says, actually, this would be better in 802 00:58:16,903 --> 00:58:19,298 the advisory committee, policy and procedure, or whatever the name 803 00:58:19,663 --> 00:58:22,858 is of that document. They can certainly advise on that. 804 00:58:22,928 --> 00:58:25,890 But. I would be fine with that. So I'm going 805 00:58:25,895 --> 00:58:29,690 to agree that we can't. Do the notwithstanding. So we 806 00:58:29,695 --> 00:58:34,142 just need wording on an amendment for it. Members. I 807 00:58:34,187 --> 00:58:35,582 think what it would have to read is that, in 808 00:58:35,627 --> 00:58:37,902 keeping with the city's commitment, to an accessible place. Employment. 809 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,911 Members. So right after members that it would say that 810 00:58:47,596 --> 00:58:52,356 the procedural bylaw. Amended. Such that. 811 00:59:02,448 --> 00:59:04,443 Such that. Oh, sorry, I should have said before. 812 00:59:33,376 --> 00:59:41,429 Thank you. Okay, so that's the amendment there that the 813 00:59:41,474 --> 00:59:47,043 procedural bylaw be amended such that. Thank you for the 814 00:59:47,128 --> 00:59:50,203 input on this. Sorry, just second. So, Councilor Mary Petri, 815 00:59:50,568 --> 00:59:53,542 that's. Your amendment? Any other comment to add. So, Councilor 816 00:59:53,787 --> 00:59:56,142 McConkey, I'll turn it to you. And then, councilor Mark 817 00:59:56,867 --> 00:59:59,622 I just wanted to say thank you to my colleagues 818 00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:03,559 here on the committee for getting. This basically something that 819 01:00:03,844 --> 01:00:07,359 I can announce at the next OAAC meeting that at 820 01:00:07,364 --> 01:00:12,047 least the. Corporate and finance committee have come up with 821 01:00:12,412 --> 01:00:14,687 this, and I'll read them the motion and it'll be 822 01:00:14,692 --> 01:00:18,007 going to council this month. Thank you. Sure. Yeah. I 823 01:00:18,012 --> 01:00:19,847 mean, we still needed to go through the process and 824 01:00:19,892 --> 01:00:22,647 determine what's doable and all that sort of stuff. So 825 01:00:22,692 --> 01:00:25,767 please let them know staff are looking at it rather 826 01:00:26,172 --> 01:00:29,633 than. It's a done deal. Councilor marks. Yeah. I'm just 827 01:00:29,878 --> 01:00:32,233 glad the city clerk's not in attendance, but online probably, 828 01:00:32,638 --> 01:00:37,779 so. Fears, face or glares. But a procedural bylaw amendment 829 01:00:38,144 --> 01:00:42,252 is a very important and serious debate. Given the sensitive 830 01:00:42,297 --> 01:00:45,452 nature of the accessibility Advisory committee, this is something that 831 01:00:46,137 --> 01:00:49,252 I think I'm happy to support a recommendation from this 832 01:00:49,297 --> 01:00:51,932 committee to move forward to council, but in the future, 833 01:00:52,297 --> 01:00:55,412 if we're going to have any procedural bylaw review, remember? 834 01:00:55,817 --> 01:01:00,340 You remember, Mr. Chairman, we had lengthy conversations about. It. 835 01:01:00,745 --> 01:01:04,399 It is a discussion of council as a whole. Otherwise, 836 01:01:04,684 --> 01:01:07,879 you'll see procedural bylaw amendments come from every committee on 837 01:01:08,204 --> 01:01:10,359 a weekly or. Sorry. On a monthly basis, which is 838 01:01:10,404 --> 01:01:14,514 a very dangerous game to play. So this is. Our 839 01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:18,591 governing bylaw. It governs our meetings. It's very important. So 840 01:01:18,956 --> 01:01:22,351 to have any further discussion about any amendments will require. 841 01:01:23,699 --> 01:01:25,894 A full meeting of council to discuss that. So happy 842 01:01:26,259 --> 01:01:28,974 to support this, given the sensitive nature of the accessibility 843 01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:32,134 advisory committee. But as far as I'm concerned, this is 844 01:01:32,139 --> 01:01:33,934 as far as I'm willing, and I hope this committee 845 01:01:34,179 --> 01:01:36,574 is willing to go to amend this bylaw. Thank you. 846 01:01:38,675 --> 01:01:40,710 Point well taken. Thank you. On the amendment, are there 847 01:01:40,995 --> 01:01:44,550 any opposed to that amendment that's highlighted. I don't see 848 01:01:44,635 --> 01:01:47,670 any. So now it is the motion, as amended, in 849 01:01:47,675 --> 01:01:50,999 front of. Us. Were there any other speakers on the 850 01:01:51,324 --> 01:01:56,352 motion? As amended. Record a vote from vice chair marks. 851 01:02:08,424 --> 01:02:13,859 Councilor marks? Yes, Councilor Mayor Petrie? Councilor McConkey. Yes. Councilor 852 01:02:14,224 --> 01:02:19,099 Neil. Yes. Mayor Carter? Yes. Councilor Geverson? Yes. Six? Affirmative. 853 01:02:19,584 --> 01:02:22,539 Thank you. That carries. So we will. Now, just give 854 01:02:22,584 --> 01:02:24,019 us a moment. We're going to move on to the 855 01:02:24,024 --> 01:02:28,779 next item. As councilor McConkey has sent in. I believe 856 01:02:28,823 --> 01:02:30,418 this is item two of three. 857 01:02:42,836 --> 01:02:45,871 Okay, Councilor McConkey, this is your motion. Did you want 858 01:02:45,916 --> 01:02:48,151 to read that? Yes. Thank you. The region of Durham's 859 01:02:48,396 --> 01:02:51,431 vision Zero program included an agreement that the region and 860 01:02:51,436 --> 01:02:54,391 its lower tier municipalities would share in the camera revenues 861 01:02:54,756 --> 01:03:03,339 on a 60 40 basis. Yet. Since the implementation of 862 01:03:04,144 --> 01:03:06,859 that program, the city of OSHA has and I have 863 01:03:07,184 --> 01:03:09,299 to get a t at the end of that, it. 864 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:15,063 Has not. My error has not received any revenue. Therefore, 865 01:03:15,468 --> 01:03:19,103 Ashwa city staff request a detailed accounting from the region 866 01:03:19,428 --> 01:03:23,903 of Durham with an explanation why and when revenue will 867 01:03:23,948 --> 01:03:30,652 be shared with the city of Osha. So give me 868 01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:33,252 a moment with this one because I'm going to turn 869 01:03:33,537 --> 01:03:40,052 to the commissioner. And just get some clarification on both 870 01:03:40,417 --> 01:03:45,088 this revenue. And do we get information from the region 871 01:03:45,093 --> 01:03:50,411 of Durham on it? Thank you, chair Guy Burston. It's 872 01:03:50,456 --> 01:03:53,611 my understanding that the 60 40 split is based on 873 01:03:53,936 --> 01:03:58,451 provincial offenses act revenue and the region gets 60%. The 874 01:03:58,496 --> 01:04:02,731 other 40% is then shared. With the area municipalities on 875 01:04:03,136 --> 01:04:07,662 their share of weighted assessment. In terms of the revenue. 876 01:04:07,987 --> 01:04:12,302 It's my understanding from discussions with regional staff that the 877 01:04:13,067 --> 01:04:16,742 costs actually exceed the revenue. And therefore, if we were. 878 01:04:18,269 --> 01:04:21,104 Sharing the costs, they would actually be sending us an 879 01:04:21,149 --> 01:04:29,066 invoice. So. Yeah, councilor. I'm not really sure. What we 880 01:04:29,351 --> 01:04:31,346 would given that information. I'm not sure that this motion 881 01:04:32,071 --> 01:04:35,466 really would have any effect. Well, I'm sorry, but I 882 01:04:35,511 --> 01:04:37,826 would like to see an actual accounting. Because you read. 883 01:04:38,111 --> 01:04:42,586 In the paper. Other municipalities in Mississauga, Edmonton. The public 884 01:04:43,031 --> 01:04:45,706 is calling it a cash grab. Well, if it's a 885 01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:48,466 cash grab, we haven't seen the cash, but I don't 886 01:04:48,471 --> 01:04:52,311 think that's. Fair. To say if 60% is going to 887 01:04:52,556 --> 01:04:56,990 the region. Has the region not received a dollar of 888 01:04:57,395 --> 01:05:00,401 revenue? And how is it that they would receive but 889 01:05:00,686 --> 01:05:04,526 the lower tiers don't? A 60 40 should be prorated. 890 01:05:05,494 --> 01:05:07,449 So it's not all going to the region, and then 891 01:05:07,494 --> 01:05:10,969 what's left over is. Going to the lower tier municipal. 892 01:05:11,254 --> 01:05:12,809 It just doesn't make sense to me, and I believe 893 01:05:13,174 --> 01:05:14,889 that it's time that we have. I mean, this was 894 01:05:14,934 --> 01:05:19,971 implemented, what, three years ago? I'm searching from the regional 895 01:05:20,336 --> 01:05:23,771 counselors. Was it 2021 that I think this came into? 896 01:05:23,896 --> 01:05:26,531 Play, like, surely to goodness there's revenue coming in now. 897 01:05:27,216 --> 01:05:28,611 I mean, I know a lot. Of people that have 898 01:05:28,696 --> 01:05:32,136 received the tickets. The city of Ash was looking at 899 01:05:32,461 --> 01:05:35,616 investigating like Pickering and Ajax has, doing it on their 900 01:05:35,661 --> 01:05:37,816 local roads. I think we need to know a little 901 01:05:37,861 --> 01:05:43,788 bit better how this operates. So I would hope to 902 01:05:43,793 --> 01:05:47,524 see. This motion pass so we can get a clear 903 01:05:47,889 --> 01:05:52,502 picture. Thank you. Councilor. Neil, you had your hand up. 904 01:05:52,907 --> 01:05:56,004 Yeah, I have no problem. What this suggests. But I 905 01:05:56,089 --> 01:06:01,354 would hope. That. Our city manager, Tracy Adams, would, and 906 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:06,024 I've talked to her about this before. Whether they discussed 907 01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:09,973 this or not. When all caos. Get together and have 908 01:06:10,018 --> 01:06:11,813 their meetings with the region. I don't know when the 909 01:06:12,138 --> 01:06:16,213 next one is. But perhaps Tracy would be able to 910 01:06:16,258 --> 01:06:18,773 tell us if this has been brought up, because I 911 01:06:18,778 --> 01:06:21,573 know, she advised me that last time I asked that 912 01:06:21,898 --> 01:06:24,573 they were bringing it up. So what's? The latest update. 913 01:06:25,876 --> 01:06:28,631 From those meetings with the region where they iron. They 914 01:06:28,676 --> 01:06:32,501 sit down and they iron certain things out. And. It 915 01:06:32,826 --> 01:06:35,731 comes back to us. That's what I'd like to throw 916 01:06:36,056 --> 01:06:39,131 out. There is, has this been discussed? Because I've asked 917 01:06:39,496 --> 01:06:41,531 that it be brought up at those meetings. Thank you. 918 01:06:43,275 --> 01:06:45,750 If city council chooses to ask the region for information 919 01:06:46,155 --> 01:06:48,830 on this, it certainly is not out of order. If 920 01:06:49,115 --> 01:06:57,262 the committee wants. To send the recorded vote, please. Sorry. 921 01:06:57,627 --> 01:07:02,381 Yeah. I'll turn to visiting councilor Lee. Thank you very 922 01:07:02,826 --> 01:07:06,776 much, Mr. Chairman. I don't like trying to simplify this. 923 01:07:07,381 --> 01:07:10,443 It seemed pretty simple to me. That how much revenue 924 01:07:11,128 --> 01:07:13,483 is coming in based on the number of tickets they 925 01:07:13,888 --> 01:07:17,716 give and what's? The cost of administration. It's just simple 926 01:07:17,801 --> 01:07:22,036 math to me. I can't see where the difficulty would 927 01:07:22,041 --> 01:07:26,500 be. Just asked the question, how much revenue comes out 928 01:07:26,785 --> 01:07:29,980 of the 407? And that seems to be like, asking 929 01:07:30,425 --> 01:07:33,140 somebody to split the atom around here, so thank you. 930 01:07:36,279 --> 01:07:38,554 I don't know. Maybe they're still paying off the machines. 931 01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:43,412 Still? I don't know enough about this to know. But. 932 01:07:44,229 --> 01:07:47,624 If Merrickard did you. So, not to complicate things, but 933 01:07:47,869 --> 01:07:50,224 it is a lot. More complicated than the simplicity that 934 01:07:50,509 --> 01:07:55,890 we're looking at it. There was capital investments. There is 935 01:07:56,255 --> 01:07:58,690 challenges in regards to the tickets coming through. There is 936 01:07:58,975 --> 01:08:01,707 a process that, that's undertaking. I don't have all the 937 01:08:02,112 --> 01:08:05,891 information. And again as it comes back down. Therefore, ASHra 938 01:08:06,496 --> 01:08:10,131 staff request detailed accounting. I just want to remind all 939 01:08:10,496 --> 01:08:14,963 members of council. When we go through the year end 940 01:08:15,368 --> 01:08:19,622 with our staff in regards to their business plans. We 941 01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:23,756 support those business plans. Every meeting that we bring new 942 01:08:24,081 --> 01:08:25,996 items to the floor means something has to come off 943 01:08:26,641 --> 01:08:30,180 their work. Plan. And then we get disappointed because the 944 01:08:30,265 --> 01:08:33,100 reason that we keep on adding things. And certain things 945 01:08:33,425 --> 01:08:37,060 don't get done. And then through my discussions with department 946 01:08:37,505 --> 01:08:40,580 heads, as I'm asking for accountability and making sure that 947 01:08:41,145 --> 01:08:43,620 they accomplish the task and that our work plans are 948 01:08:44,265 --> 01:08:48,570 actually accomplished within that annual twelve month period. I just 949 01:08:48,615 --> 01:08:51,619 want us to take into consideration. The amount of work 950 01:08:51,984 --> 01:08:56,676 that. Is already scheduled in these departments. And every time 951 01:08:57,041 --> 01:09:00,196 we bring these forward, that means if this ends, up 952 01:09:00,521 --> 01:09:03,236 being a priority of this council, then that means something 953 01:09:03,281 --> 01:09:05,756 has to come off their work plan. And there's a 954 01:09:05,761 --> 01:09:08,436 limited amount of resources that everybody has, so I'm just 955 01:09:08,521 --> 01:09:13,687 asking. Everybody please take that into consideration as. We continue? 956 01:09:14,936 --> 01:09:18,803 The pylon in regards to our departments. I think this 957 01:09:18,848 --> 01:09:20,843 council is being very supportive in regards to making sure 958 01:09:21,128 --> 01:09:23,443 that we get the extra resources so that we can 959 01:09:23,768 --> 01:09:26,483 actually achieve great customer service, which we are in the 960 01:09:26,528 --> 01:09:31,317 process of undertaking. But every time we add something. This 961 01:09:31,402 --> 01:09:36,662 adds another. Job. That now becomes a priority. So something 962 01:09:36,707 --> 01:09:40,319 else has to come off the priority list. So I 963 01:09:40,364 --> 01:09:42,519 just know little about this, but I know there's a 964 01:09:42,524 --> 01:09:45,359 lot more complexities. To it than the simplicity of what 965 01:09:45,684 --> 01:09:51,160 it seems. Other speakers. Yeah. Councilor McConky, second round. Thank 966 01:09:51,165 --> 01:09:53,400 you. Don't need to burden. Anyone. But I do believe 967 01:09:53,485 --> 01:09:59,153 in getting answers. At this point, when we see in 968 01:09:59,158 --> 01:10:02,633 the paper, like I said, a lot of municipalities, how 969 01:10:02,678 --> 01:10:05,313 much they're making and the number of cameras they're putting 970 01:10:05,358 --> 01:10:10,199 out keeps increasing. But. The region of Durham this year 971 01:10:10,564 --> 01:10:13,948 did not add any new cameras. We have, as everyone 972 01:10:14,073 --> 01:10:20,031 knows, on council, we get all the calls. About the 973 01:10:20,756 --> 01:10:25,831 speeding problems on city of Ashwa roads and regional roads 974 01:10:26,076 --> 01:10:28,431 in the city of osha I'd like to keep this 975 01:10:28,756 --> 01:10:31,471 just to find a request for financial accounting. Right, but. 976 01:10:31,516 --> 01:10:34,151 The fact is, the region has not approved any new 977 01:10:34,516 --> 01:10:38,544 cameras in 2024. And the number of cameras that they 978 01:10:38,549 --> 01:10:43,525 have. I'm surprised there's not that many. They have eight 979 01:10:43,930 --> 01:10:49,274 fixed and. Eight, rotating at six right now. Really? We 980 01:10:49,519 --> 01:10:51,714 got to keep this to a request for financial there. 981 01:10:51,759 --> 01:10:53,994 You go. I'm just sharing some information there. Thank you. 982 01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:59,727 Okay. Thank you. And you had requested a recorded. Yes. 983 01:10:59,812 --> 01:11:03,084 Okay. Thank you. Just looking one last time. Okay. Record 984 01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:08,044 a vote called by councilor. Okay, councilor McConkey. Yes, Councilor 985 01:11:08,089 --> 01:11:14,428 Mayor Petri? Yes. Councilor Marks? Yes. Councilor Neil? Yes. Mayor 986 01:11:14,793 --> 01:11:21,408 Carter? No. Councilor Geverson? Yes. Five. Affirmative. Okay, that carries. 987 01:11:21,813 --> 01:11:24,928 So, there's one last item, and councilor McConkey. I have 988 01:11:24,933 --> 01:11:26,728 to rule the item out of order for two reasons. 989 01:11:26,773 --> 01:11:31,627 One, the item. Exists fundamentally on the afternoon agenda at 990 01:11:31,872 --> 01:11:36,333 economic and development services. The other reason being that given 991 01:11:36,698 --> 01:11:39,853 that that type of program has been determined to be 992 01:11:40,258 --> 01:11:43,013 in the purview of the business and economic Development Branch, 993 01:11:43,658 --> 01:11:50,205 which reports to that committee. For the time being. I'm 994 01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:52,445 treating it as being something that wouldn't come to this 995 01:11:52,530 --> 01:11:55,845 committee. Okay, so. I could take it this afternoon to 996 01:11:55,930 --> 01:11:59,125 economics. What I would suggest you do if there are 997 01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:04,100 tweaks. Or some slight differences or additions to what is 998 01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:07,961 in that report. That you had in mind. Take a 999 01:12:07,966 --> 01:12:10,161 look at what's in that report, and then as a 1000 01:12:10,166 --> 01:12:12,041 visiting council. No, I. Have looked at it, and I 1001 01:12:12,046 --> 01:12:14,321 see quite a difference. In fact, we had someone from 1002 01:12:14,646 --> 01:12:18,121 the downtown email about graffiti, and I said, look at 1003 01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:19,961 what the city of Toronto, there's nothing on the floor 1004 01:12:20,006 --> 01:12:22,161 right now, and I've ruled it out of order. What 1005 01:12:22,446 --> 01:12:24,401 I would suggest you do come this afternoon as a 1006 01:12:24,406 --> 01:12:28,056 visiting councilor. Provide your feedback. Maybe there will be. Amendments 1007 01:12:28,101 --> 01:12:31,161 that could be brought. To that? Because if I could 1008 01:12:31,526 --> 01:12:34,641 clarify, what we're talking about this afternoon is $100,000. From 1009 01:12:34,646 --> 01:12:37,001 the city. Give me a moment, because I've already declared 1010 01:12:37,206 --> 01:12:39,041 a set of. Order. Give me 1 second to look 1011 01:12:39,446 --> 01:12:41,321 one last time. This is not from the city of 1012 01:12:41,606 --> 01:12:44,441 Osha. We're asking the province of. Wait while I look 1013 01:12:44,446 --> 01:12:44,921 at that. Thank you. 1014 01:12:56,659 --> 01:12:59,694 Yeah. So my suggestion would be either at committee this 1015 01:12:59,779 --> 01:13:07,467 afternoon, Suggest that. As an addition to that package. Or 1016 01:13:07,512 --> 01:13:09,667 bring it as an amendment to council. Thank you. Okay. 1017 01:13:09,752 --> 01:13:11,507 Thank you. Are there any other items? To be introduced 1018 01:13:11,512 --> 01:13:16,691 by members of council or committee. Sorry, Councilor Neil. Motion. 1019 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:18,971 No, Jarrett. Well, that's not an item to be introduced, 1020 01:13:19,216 --> 01:13:22,339 but it's in order, so we'll take it. Are there 1021 01:13:22,424 --> 01:13:26,047 any opposed to adjournment? We are adjourned. Thank you.