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Welcome everyone. I'd like to call the

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September 23rd, 2026th meeting of the

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Ashkosh Area School District Board of

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Education uh meeting to order. Are we in

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compliance with open meeting law?

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>> Yes, we are.

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>> Please take the role.

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>> Snake

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>> here.

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>> Wolf

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>> here.

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>> Write

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>> here.

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>> Wyman.

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>> Bor

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>> here.

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>> We have a quorum.

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>> All right. All right, I'd like to invite

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our students from Jefferson Elementary

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up to help us recite the pledge of

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allegiance. Yeah, right there is

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perfect. Flag's right over here.

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>> You guys ready? Ice

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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>> Nice job, guys. CERTIFICATES

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for you. We got Billy.

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There you go. Delila, you want to stay

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up here for a picture?

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Is that right?

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>> All right.

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>> Brian, you want to be in this?

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>> Yes.

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>> All right. I'll come on side.

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» Well done.

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>> And three, two.

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Smart for dead.

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» Awesome. Well done.

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>> Great job, guys.

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» Now, I'd like to invite uh the

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principal, Tanisha Jones of Jefferson

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Elementary, up to tell us a little bit

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about what's going on at Jefferson.

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Good evening everyone. I am the

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principal of Jefferson Elementary

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School. You may have heard Lady Jones.

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And I'm excited to share some news about

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what's happening at Jefferson.

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Our theme this school year is one team,

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one goal, champion mindset. And for us,

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building a champion team starts with

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making sure every student know that they

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belong. We've tipped off the first

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quarter with a focus on safety and

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belonging. We want our students to know

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that Jefferson is a place where they are

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safe, supported, valued, and an

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important part of our team. At the same

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time, we are challenging them

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academically. They are learning every

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day, um, doing hard things, making

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mistakes, trying again, and experiencing

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success. We want them to have the

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confidence to stick with it even when

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learning gets tough or challenging. And

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I can say that I can already see that

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happening when I walk through Jefferson.

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I see joy. I see students engaged in

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learning. I see relationships being

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built. I see staff problem solving

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together and stepping outside of the

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roles to support students and each

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other. And one of my favorite things has

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been hearing the students use our IC

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values. So their integrity, safety,

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engagement, and excellence. Our students

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are beginning to understand I belong

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here. I'm a part of this team and I can

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do hard things. And when students feel

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like they belong, they want to show up.

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We recently had our third Friday count.

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And to help celebrate or bring in a day,

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we played music. We had bubbles out

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front and we had teachers and myself

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outside with pompoms cheering them on

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and welcoming them in. Our attendance is

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currently up this school year. to start

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we're at 97.3%

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compared with how we ended last school

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year at 93.1%.

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Um that shows that students are excited

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to show up and they're feeling more like

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they belong in our space. And we also

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saw what that growth can look like last

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school year in I Ready. We went from

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students on target to 58.6 in um

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reading. In math, we went from 20.3%

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um to 51% of students on target. We saw

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gains in our state data as well. Our

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four ELA proficiency increased from

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28.1% to 37.5 and our math went up from

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about 29% to 40% of students who were

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showing proficiency. Those results um

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really did set a bar for the work ahead

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of us this school year. and our focus is

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going to be continuing to move forward

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our students forward. We saw a lot of

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growth and consistency last year with

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Jefferson and we have an encouraging

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start with our fall already reading data

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thus far. We already seeing a 2.5 um

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increase of students who are on target

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in reading the same time last school

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year. You don't win a basketball game in

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the first quarter, but you definitely

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set the tone. That's where we are right

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now. We're focused on safety and

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belonging, strong instruction, knowing

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what our data is telling us, and

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adjusting the game plan based on what

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our students need. We have had a strong

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tip off, and we're excited to see what

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our Patriots do with the rest of the

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season. One team, one goal, Jeff um

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championship mindset. Thank you very

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much.

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>> Very impressive results.

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>> Yes. Keep up the good work.

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>> Any questions or comments?

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>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

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>> All right. Uh, Superintendent Davis with

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the land acknowledgement.

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>> Yes. As we gather today, we'd like to

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acknowledge that in Oshkosh, we are on

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the ancestral homelands of the Ho Chunk

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Nation and Monomony Indian tribe of

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Wisconsin who lived along the western

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shores of Lake Wnebago, Wisconsin's

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largest freshwater lake entirely within

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its borders. We acknowledge these

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indigenous sovereign communities who

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have stewarded this land throughout the

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generations and pay respect to their

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elders past and present. We welcome the

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duty and opportunity to share

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stewardship of these lands.

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>> Thank you, Superintendent Davis.

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Approval of agenda. Are there any

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» Thank you very much for coming.

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>> Um if not, we'll move on to our mission

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moment. Now, we have our actual formal

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mission moment today, but I'm going to

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go a little bit off script. Um, as most

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of you know, we had a scary uh situation

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at North today. Um, because of our

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partners and the Oshkosh Police

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Department, specifically those in the

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SRO program, the professionalism of our

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district staff, district administrators,

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and the patients and caring of our

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families and our students. We have 1,200

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North students, including my own two

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sons, and the children of others on this

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board that are home safe tonight. You

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know, in this body, we often approve

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plans and we debate hypotheticals, but

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today was real and you all met the

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moment. And you know, thank you is not

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enough, but on behalf of this board, I

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want to thank everyone who was involved

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>> So, sorry to get emotional there, but it

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was a big day. It was a tough day. Now,

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the formal mission woman

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um is celebrating an inspiring

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partnership uh between the Oshkosh Area

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School District and the Oshkosh YMCA

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made possible through a generous grant

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Through this collaboration, students in

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the multicultural outreach pro, excuse

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me, in the multicultural outreach

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program, which is MCO, gain vital water

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safety skills and build lasting

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confidence through swimming lessons. We

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extend [clears throat] our sincere

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gratitude to Aayak Deng OSD student and

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family engagement coordinator and the

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entire MCO team for their dedication to

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empowering our students. Please enjoy

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this brief video highlighting the

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powerful impact of our community coming

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together around a shared mission.

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[music]

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for multicultural [music]

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outreach um serves students and families

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with refugee and immigrant backgrounds

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in um the Oshkosh area school district.

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So when families uh come into Oshkosh,

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our team [music] helped them navigate

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our school system as well as our

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>> This is my first summer with the

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multicultural outreach program with the

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Oshkosh Area School District. Um yeah,

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the summer started off coming to swim

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lessons at the YMCA. the kids weren't

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super familiar with being at the pool

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with the pool rules and weren't very

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confident in the water. But as the

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summer progressed, you know, you start

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to see some of the kids that weren't

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um that weren't confident jumping in the

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water, you know, the first ones [music]

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out of the pool running out there. You

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also see some of the kids that already

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knew kind of their way around the pool,

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start to develop their skills more in

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[music] new stuff, I was I was not like

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the best of it. But almost in the end, I

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did learn how [music] to like like do

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we are able to provide [music] the um

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the funds through a grant that we

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received through the United Way, the

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Ashka Sharers. [music] Um, and it's

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beneficial for our families because it

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takes away that financial barrier that they have, but also um, take away

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the next step of not necessarily [music]

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knowing that this resource is here. So,

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take away that financial piece. [music]

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So, um, it's really easy for our

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families to be a part and for our

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students to to be here knowing that

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there isn't financial burden. actually

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I just taught swim myself and it's

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really heartwarming to see some kids

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that you know were never able to swim,

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not confident, you know, scared of the

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water and to see them develop their

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skills. It's really it's really just

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heartwarming to see them uh grow up and

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be able to be more confident in the

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field. I think the collaboration between

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the school district, the YMCA, and all

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the um grant organizations that we work

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with uh is really integral to bringing

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opportunities like this to kids in the

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communities that otherwise wouldn't have

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um [music] a chance to participate in

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programs like this.

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heartwarming. It's nice. It's nice to

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know that our community through

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different sections that we are all

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pouring into our families into our

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students and that we are willing to do

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our part to, you know, [music] help help

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uplift those students and empower them

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to be confident and to feel like they

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belong here in Washington. [music]

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>> I love swimming the Olympic.

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» Excellent.

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Can I just add I I work

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pretty closely with them uh

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professionally and in my private life

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and they are the epitome of what this

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district should be doing for family

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engagement and belonging and and working

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with families where they're at. And uh

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they're also really really good at doing

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things efficiently and uh at a low cost

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and finding grants and and making things

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work. Uh and it's a gem of a program and

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I I'm just we're very lucky to have that

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program in this district.

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>> Great.

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Any other comments?

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>> Excellent. Well, on to the verbal report

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from our September 9th, 2026 board

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listening session. Um, so one individual

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shared requests aimed at helping the

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community build a stronger connection

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with the district. Uh, specific points

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including a preference for identifying

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individuals and videos, providing names

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and sites of new administrators,

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considering a family contact directory,

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allowing community members in school

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PTO's, and a reminder about the dangers

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of excessive screen time. Another

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individual requested information on the

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criteria and process for adding student

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names to the eligible list for automatic

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entry into UW locations, including where

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the list is generated and if there are

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differences between Oshkosh North and

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Oshkosh West high schools. Um I shared

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my knowledge during this session and uh

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Dr. Davis um was following up with the

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high school principles and this is

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referencing the direct admit program

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where um students that um meet certain

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criteria are directly admitted to

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certain universities of Wisconsin. Um, a

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third individual inquired if the Black

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Student Union will be available at

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Oshkosh North High School this year and

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if there are adults to oversee it. This

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individual also asked about the start of

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the school year, which was noted as

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positive with consistent expectations

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shown through core values. Um, Ayaken,

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who was in the meeting, is following up

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with Oshkosh North High School regarding

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Black Student Union support. And a

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reminder, our next uh board listening

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session is October 14th at 5:00 PM. If

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you haven't been to one of those, it's

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kind of nice because unlike um the

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public comment hearing here, it's a back

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and forth. It's a little less formal, so

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it's a nice way to have more of a

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conversation as opposed to us not really

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be able to respond to you.

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Um superintendence report.

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>> All right. Um so, a lot of great things

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going on around the around the district.

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I wanted to uh lift some up and we'll

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start at uh uh Eook. Um, EUK is proud to

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enter the second year of partnering with

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Integro uh numerousy solutions um to

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strengthen fund uh found fundamental

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multiplication and division instruction.

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Recently, the school's math

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instructional support teacher led third

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and fourth grade classrooms through an

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engaging strategy sharing sessions, math

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games, and targeted assessment lessons.

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These interactive sessions were filmed

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and will serve as professional

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development tools uh to help educators

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in our district and across the country

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master best practices in math

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instruction.

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A week ago, we gathered to celebrate the

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ribbon cutting of Carl Trager Elementary

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School's new four room four classroom

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expansion and inclusive playground made

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possible by the support of Oshkosh

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voters in the April 2025 referendum.

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This phase 2 facilities project ensures

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kindergarteners have dedicated space to

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learn and thrive. The upgraded, fully

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accessible playground guarantees that

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students of all abilities can play,

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grow, and connect side by side. Thank

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you to our community for investing in

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the future of our students and our

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schools.

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The communities program at Oshkosh North

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was recently featured on the Wisconsin

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Association of Environmental Education

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Education's Healthier, Happier, and

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Smarter podcast. Teacher Rick Leeb and

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senior student Ella uh shared how

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place-based authentic learning empowers

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students uh to move beyond studying

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classroom environmental challenges to

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actively solving them. The episode

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highlighted studentled initiatives

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tackling real world issues such as storm

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water pollution, plastic waste, and

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community service.

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Across our district, our fourth graders

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are taking part uh are taking their

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science lessons to the open water this

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fall during hands-on sailing expeditions

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at Monomony Parks Miller's Bay. Guided

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by experts from International Youth

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Sailing of Oshkosh, uh students learn

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the fundamentals of navigating the small

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catamarans on Lake Wnebago. Plus, back

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in the classroom, the young sailor apply

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these experiences to their curriculum by

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investigating energy transfer and

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designing custom sails to test wind

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efficiency. This unique partnership

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highlights how our local natural

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resources are and amazing community

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partners provide powerful, memorable

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extensions um to classroom learning

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across our district.

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Sixth graders at South Park and Perry

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Tipler Middle School recently kicked off

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their science unit with a hands-on lab

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uh with hands-on lab equipment uh

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gallery walk. Students explored

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essential scientific tools while

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mastering key lab safety protocols.

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Additionally, students are sharing and

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comparing their findings across the

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middle schools, which u was an

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intentional shared experience uh created

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by by Miss Brown as a way to build some

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early connections between peers before

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uh uniting as one class at the new

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Westside Middle School in the fall of

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2028. So, well done.

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Oaklan second graders uh recently

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conquered tricky words during their core

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knowledge and language arts or CKLA

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skills lessons. To help students master

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irregular spellings like would, could,

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and should, Miss SM introduced, "Oh, you

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lucky duck." The catchy phrase helps

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students easily recall the correct

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letter order um for these non-decodable

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words. The practice uh the hands-on

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practice created great energy in the

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classroom as students celebrated their

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spelling breakthroughs and built

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confidence in their reading skills.

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PBS Kids star Daniel Tiger recently made

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some special visits to our elementary

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schools uh across the district to

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inspire our youngest learners. Joined by

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Dr. Sam Sam Coleman, Daniel led

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interactive storytime sessions focused

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on understanding big emotions and

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developing self-regulation skills. We

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extend a huge thank you to the ReadMore

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Oshkosh for partnering with us to bring

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these memorable high impact learning

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experiences directly to our schools. And

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there were smiles all around as every

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student received their own book to keep

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and read again with their families.

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Our first two surveys um uh the first of

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our two surveys is still open for people

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to submit naming ideas for the new

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Westside Middle School. This survey will

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close on Monday, September 28th. So,

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coming up soon, this initial feed uh

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this initial feedback will help the

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district facilities and finance

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committee and actually be the facilities

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committee um select the top finalist um

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for the second community vote in October

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uh before the school board makes the

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final decision. Visit the district

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website to gain access to the survey

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link and to learn more.

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And finally, um just a uh place that I

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places that I've been as we've kicked

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off the first month of the school year.

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So, thanks for everybody for the welcome

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and uh we're off to a great start.

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>> Thank you, Superintendent Davis. Uh now

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on to the district administrator

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supplemental reports and we have the

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healthcare strategy um written/verbal

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report from Brian Yorkie.

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Yeah, we need the other presentation of

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the

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» Yeah.

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Okay. Um so tonight we're going to talk

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about um have an initial discussion

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about our healthc care um strategy um

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and some recommendations that will come

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uh for the 2027 uh plan year for us. Um

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so first of all, just to set some

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context, it's important to know that as

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we're talking about our healthcare

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strategy, our healthc care year is

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different than our school year uh and

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our fiscal year. So our healthc care

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year actually goes on a calendar year

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from January 1st to December 31st. Um,

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and so that's important to know as we're

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talking about the budget implications uh

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related to this plan. Um, if we're

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looking at savings that we would have

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from a district standpoint, we would

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need to cut those savings in half

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because only half of the plans

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experienced in every fiscal year um

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where our fiscal year goes July 1st to

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January uh to uh June 30th um as we move

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forward. So, just some some context. But

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tonight, we want to um to uh focus on um

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a healthc care strategy to be more

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sustainable as we're moving forward. I

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do want to start with um some budget uh

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context um to uh to the conversation

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tonight. And again, this is uh certainly

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kind of a a recap of the work that we've

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done for the 2627 budget. But the

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healthc care strategy that we're going

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to be talking about tonight is directly

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related to um helping us uh reduce costs

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um from a district standpoint um as

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we're thinking about this year's budget

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and landing this year's budget in the

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next month. Um so you have a summary

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there of the two points in time over

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this past year that we were preparing

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for the 2627 budget both this uh January

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and April staff and non non- staff

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budget reductions um totaling 7.7 about

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$7.8 $8 million um total.

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Um as we um had some improved for

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forecasting as we moved throughout the

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year um had some turnover in our

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business department to get us to a

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stronger place um with our forecasting

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models. Um also um using the expertise

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um that we had for our consultants uh

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both from Baird Financial along with

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Todd Gray who came and spoke with us um

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we were able to work through some

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improved forecasting um and know that

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our our uh deficit that we were

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projecting that was originally 5.5 um is

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now at a target of 14.8. So that's

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something that we've worked through um

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throughout the last uh couple months um

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and landed at a at a a firm target uh

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00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,080
for us to be able to hit. So the the

551
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,200
reason um the path I should say um to

552
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,640
those and that'll come on in just a

553
00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,070
second.

554
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,120
So the the path from the 5.5 to the

555
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,159
14.8. So as again we were doing our our

556
00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:08,960
forecasting places that we saw a need to

557
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,360
increase what our forecast was from our

558
00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,840
previous um work um which was not well

559
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,799
done to where we are right now um was in

560
00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,480
those four areas. So you can see

561
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,200
employee health insurance um was the the

562
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,440
one area that we made the most uh

563
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,120
increases on to be able to make sure

564
00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,159
that we have confidence in a budget um

565
00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:31,120
uh forecast um that we can uh land based

566
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,520
on on what our uh historical data has

567
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,960
looked like. So you can see three other

568
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,799
categories there, but health insurance

569
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:38,960
is certainly an area um that we need to

570
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,720
be able to uh focus on as we're moving

571
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,840
forward. So with a $14.8 8 million

572
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,080
number to be able to hit um for the

573
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,600
balance for 27 for the 2627

574
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,600
uh uh school year um this year and $7.8

575
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,679
million um that we've completed in

576
00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:58,159
January and April. That gets us to a $7

577
00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:00,320
million target that we still need to be

578
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,960
able to to approve um over the next

579
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,120
month to be able to to uh balance our

580
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,760
budget for this year. Um now we have

581
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400
some um

582
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,880
uh structures that we've used and this

583
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,960
again is using what Todd Gray had shared

584
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,520
with us um earlier in the year um

585
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,280
related to a if then scenarios um that

586
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600
he had recommended um to make sure that

587
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,000
the board can um kind of see what the

588
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,520
give and takes are uh for um for our

589
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,360
categories that we would look at u

590
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,600
possible reductions um in addition to

591
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,760
what we've already done. And so again,

592
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,320
with $7 million being our goal, uh we

593
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,360
have a list of those five areas um that

594
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,000
we can look at to make reductions. Um as

595
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,120
you can see, um we have uh the uh

596
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,039
employee healthcare. So number four is

597
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,280
uh 12% employee share of health

598
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,600
insurance premiums and plan adjustments.

599
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,200
That's going to be our area of focus

600
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,120
tonight. Um so our consultants are here

601
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,120
to be able to provide some of those uh

602
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,200
details and just to be able to start our

603
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,039
dialogue on that. Um and so um the the

604
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,120
proposed plans um that we'll look at

605
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,600
tonight um would net us about $1.6

606
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000
million um as we as we would move

607
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,559
forward. Um and so again the the total

608
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,440
amount being $8 million um is certainly

609
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,600
obviously you know easy subtraction

610
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,679
about a million more than what our our

611
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,400
goal is in $145 million budget. It's

612
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,799
important to keep that in context. Uh,

613
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,200
but I think it's important for us um

614
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,280
just from a risk mitigation standpoint

615
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,120
because of where we are currently in our

616
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,440
fund balance to make sure that we're not

617
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,159
cutting it too close um to be able to

618
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,120
give us um some play within what our uh

619
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,880
goals are and our targets are to be able

620
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,120
to land that because um as I'll show you

621
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,240
on the next slide, we're at a

622
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,559
dangerously low uh place for our fund

623
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:50,080
balance at this point and we need to

624
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,799
make sure um that we're um in a space

625
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,120
that that we can have some confidence

626
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,919
that we can hit the dates that you have

627
00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,320
on the bottom again would be recommended

628
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,960
um upcoming dates that we would want to

629
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,000
um to hit ideally. Um so October 14th

630
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,919
which would be our next board meeting um

631
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:11,120
recommending a vote on the 27 uh health

632
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,279
plan. Um the reason why that date is

633
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,760
important because um from ch if we make

634
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320
changes in the plan we need to prepare

635
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,919
that for our employees to be able to

636
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,919
select uh during their open enrollment

637
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,400
process. the open enrollment process um

638
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,159
starts the first week in November

639
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:28,320
historically and that's important so we

640
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,240
can hit the actual plan change that

641
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,720
would take place on January 1. So

642
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,559
there's there's some sequencing that we

643
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,720
need to be able to to hit in that in

644
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,440
that process.

645
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,200
>> Can I interrupt you for just a second?

646
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,039
I'm curious about I don't know that I've

647
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,919
seen the presented like this before.

648
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:44,559
>> Yes.

649
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,720
>> The OPED the notes is that is that an

650
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,840
error? Not quite sure what the fun 127

651
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,520
has to do with OPED.

652
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320
>> Um, so there's reimbursement um that

653
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,760
comes with uh I'll have to check. Yeah,

654
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,120
let me let me check on that. Let me

655
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,320
check on that. Bring that bring that

656
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,799
back. Um I think that there Yeah, let me

657
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:05,679
check on that.

658
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:06,240
>> Sounds good.

659
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,520
>> That has been there before, too.

660
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,240
>> Yeah, hasn't it?

661
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000
>> It has. Okay, I didn't catch that

662
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,279
before. That would have sparked

663
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,000
questions.

664
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,880
>> Thank you. Y

665
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,880
>> that's we'll uh we'll take that. Um,

666
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,840
so, uh, October 15th is when we would

667
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320
get our final state aid, uh, verified.

668
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,760
So, that'll be the last number that

669
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,760
we'll need for our budget. And then

670
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,880
we'll need to vote on the 2627 budget by

671
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,880
the end by state statute by the end of,

672
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,960
uh, October. For us, the regular meeting

673
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,600
would be on October 28th. Um, and so

674
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,919
that would be when we'd need to um,

675
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:40,240
approve the budget formally. Now, I will

676
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,400
tell you that the October 15th aid

677
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960
number really um has implications around

678
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,440
property taxes and not necessarily the

679
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,039
budget um you know variance around $7

680
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,360
million or $8 million. It's really about

681
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,200
just the impact for uh for property

682
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,720
taxes. But to put the whole thing

683
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,240
together that those are the numbers that

684
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,480
we're um that we're looking at. So as

685
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,120
we've uh projected as we move forward.

686
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,720
So, as we as I talk about a dangerously

687
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,960
low fund balance, I just want to ground

688
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,000
us in where we're at um from our

689
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,320
standpoint. Um so, as we've gone

690
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320
throughout the last six years, again,

691
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080
you can see the significant decline,

692
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,039
especially in this past year. Um and

693
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,679
again, this is a result of number one,

694
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,919
poor budgeting practices. Um, so that's

695
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:29,760
been turned over in the business office

696
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,360
and we're getting ourselves to where

697
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,760
we're grounded in best practices along

698
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,919
with using our consultants um to make

699
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:38,240
sure that we're verifying what work that

700
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,039
we're we're uh doing um along with and

701
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,880
what we'll see tonight again is

702
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,559
increasing health care costs um uh as as

703
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,159
we progress throughout the year. So we

704
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,720
want to make sure that's a number that

705
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200
$8 million number lands us at about

706
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,039
5.2%. By policy we should be around 12%.

707
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,679
Um so that should be within the between

708
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:02,720
17 and 21 million dollars. So between

709
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080
where we were in 23 24 and 2425

710
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,679
um is about where we need to be able to

711
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,919
work back to in policy. Now certainly

712
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,159
we're not going to do that in one year

713
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,640
uh per se, but it's important for us as

714
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,559
we're working through our budget numbers

715
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,799
and landing our budget for this year

716
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,559
that we just keep in mind because I

717
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,559
think there's some risk mitigation um

718
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,720
that we I just want board members to

719
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,159
know as you're making decisions about

720
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,880
the budget um that we're just eyes wide

721
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,120
open and what the um what the

722
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,080
implications u would be um as we as we

723
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,159
move forward.

724
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:37,760
>> M question. I have a general question be

725
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,640
if on this before we go into healthcare.

726
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,600
Are you done with this part of the

727
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,080
presentation?

728
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,679
>> I am. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then we

729
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:44,480
transition

730
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,400
>> then. So for slides three and four I

731
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,279
just want to make sure I am

732
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,679
understanding and that the public is

733
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,559
understanding correctly. We

734
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,600
have a deficit of 14.8 million. We have

735
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,919
or for this school year we have already

736
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,159
made $7 million in cuts for this school

737
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:02,000
year. We need to make another

738
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,120
>> uh we made we've made 7.8

739
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,600
>> 7.8. So we need to make another 7 to 8

740
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080
million for this school year only. And

741
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,039
then so that's going to happen through

742
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:13,919
October.

743
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:14,399
>> Yes.

744
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:17,440
>> Then we still also next start working on

745
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,880
next year basically starting in

746
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,960
December. Uh, no, earlier than that,

747
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,919
like probably October 29th after we

748
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,360
passed this year's budget, like right

749
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:25,840
away

750
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,399
>> and for cuts

751
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:29,679
>> 27 28

752
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,240
>> 14 million this year

753
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,279
and then

754
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,799
>> yeah, as as we said, it's going to be a

755
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,880
multi-year process for us to to be able

756
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,640
to to work through it. Yeah. And we'll

757
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,080
have that forecast. We'll be able to

758
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,520
refine that forecasting a little bit

759
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320
better um as we go throughout the next,

760
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,919
you know, couple weeks. I mean,

761
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,240
certainly the next month as we as we go.

762
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,919
>> Okay. Thanks as well.

763
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:51,760
>> Yeah.

764
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Okay. So, with that, I'll kick it over

765
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,919
to uh Brian to introduce our uh

766
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:01,110
consultants and open up for discussion.

767
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,110
» I'll give you that.

768
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
» So, good evening board. I'm going to

769
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,640
introduce Drew Leberry, Sherry Freeman

770
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,039
from Agent. In a minute they will go

771
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,919
through the the specific details of our

772
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,440
current plan pricing recommendations

773
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,000
moving forward. There's a lot of details

774
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,320
within healthcare and Drew and Sherry

775
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,600
have been great to work with. It's

776
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,960
important for me. I just want to circle

777
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,640
back to a couple of things that Dr.

778
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Davis mentioned and then add a couple

779
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,039
notes and that'll be important for our

780
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,480
board, our our staff and our employees

781
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,480
just to hear as we move forward through

782
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,080
this process. It's certainly an

783
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,840
emotional

784
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600
thing to discuss anytime you're talking

785
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
about salaries and benefits uh for

786
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,440
people and it impacts on their

787
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,840
livelihood. We understand that. So, as

788
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Brian stated, you know, we're at a

789
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
dangerous point in our fund balance.

790
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480
Healthc care has been a primary driver

791
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,600
of some of our budget issues, how we've

792
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,080
done that in the past, but it's also a

793
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840
really important tool for us to help

794
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,399
manage those costs. and and we're going

795
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,360
to talk about our plan and we believe

796
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760
it's still the right plan. We believe

797
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,039
that when budgeted correctly, when used

798
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,840
properly, this is the best plan for the

799
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,679
Oshkosh Area School District. And I

800
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,360
think Drew and Sherry will be able to

801
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,840
show some of those details going

802
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,399
forward. We're not looking to change the

803
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,880
basic structure at the point, who our

804
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,279
people can see, how it functions, how

805
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,360
they operate, going to a doctor,

806
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360
billing, any of those things at this

807
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,200
point. We're not we're not exploring any

808
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760
of those changes. It's important to also

809
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,360
state we're committed to providing

810
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,159
quality health care to our employees.

811
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:46,399
Uh, and that may come with a market

812
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:48,880
adjustment or comparable market

813
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,559
adjustment when it comes to premium

814
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,039
share. Again, the the process, the

815
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,640
quality of our healthcare will not

816
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
change. If any if anything, it will

817
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,760
improve. Some of the things we have in

818
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,559
play with clinic

819
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,559
processes will actually, I think,

820
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,480
improve as we go forward based on the

821
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
work we're doing. We've not discussed

822
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
any changes to OPED or other

823
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,840
post-employment benefits. I get a lot of

824
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,200
questions about what's going to happen

825
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,000
to my retirement next year.

826
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,840
We have not discussed any of those

827
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,159
things. We are planning on putting a committee together who will

828
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,159
explore and evaluate all of our health

829
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,480
care and benefit packages. I think it's

830
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,159
important to have our employees at the

831
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:32,559
table when we have those discussions

832
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,399
about everything from top to bottom, but

833
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:37,039
we have not discussed a change to how

834
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,559
OPED functions in this process.

835
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,200
And then a really something I want to

836
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
get across is in our close work with

837
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,159
Drew and Sherry and a virgin in this one

838
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:50,080
of the things we've identified is they

839
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,760
were not involved in the budgeting

840
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,720
planning or processing previously. So as

841
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,600
we go have gone through the last I don't

842
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640
know how many weeks I've pestered them I

843
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880
would say daily and we've had numerous

844
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,279
conversations and I think what we've

845
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,279
come to the realization and with our

846
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,240
budgeting our practices and our plan is

847
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
we have not collaborated on those things

848
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,240
some of those decisions have been made

849
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,080
in a silo in here which I think has

850
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640
impacted some of the the end outcomes of

851
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,120
our insurance and and we've committed to

852
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,240
working together to build a quality plan

853
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640
where there's no surprises, where we've

854
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,880
agreed upon budgets and plan design that

855
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,919
are sustainable and put us in a in a I

856
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:38,799
think you've probably all heard this, health plan should put us in a

857
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:42,159
position to be successful or to to maybe

858
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:44,000
not adjust premiums. And that's what we

859
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
want to get to with collaboration. So,

860
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,679
we're not going to make those decisions

861
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:50,080
in isolation. They're not going to make

862
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,080
decisions in isolation. Now, as a

863
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,440
partnership where we've had a lot of

864
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360
these conversations, I think we're

865
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,039
feeling better about what got us in

866
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,080
trouble and how to get out of that. So,

867
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Drew and Sherry are the experts. They're

868
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
going to take you through again where

869
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,840
we're currently at, what our

870
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,559
recommendations are, options to move

871
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,519
forward with so we can begin discussing

872
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,760
some of those things tonight. And if you

873
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,519
have questions along the way, feel free

874
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,919
to at any point jump in, ask a

875
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:20,159
clarifying question, and Drew and Sherry

876
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:21,919
and I will do my best to jump in as well

877
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,080
if there's district specific questions

878
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,320
you might have. Okay.

879
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,440
>> All right.

880
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600
>> Thanks, Brian. And thank you for the

881
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,919
opportunity to uh be here and share some

882
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:33,600
information with you on the healthc care

883
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,559
strategy for the uh plan, the health

884
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,519
plan. Uh before we get started, um what

885
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,760
we're going to do here in this uh

886
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,480
session is walk you through the budget

887
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,279
buildup. Um what happened uh leading up

888
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,679
to this last fiscal year's uh budget

889
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:53,840
estimate. Um we'll talk about how it was

890
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,559
uh how the district had calculated what

891
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:00,559
they calculated and um we will talk

892
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,880
about what that looks like in comparison

893
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,919
to the actual performance of the plan.

894
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,159
We'll talk about how we got to the

895
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,639
recommendation for the budget for this

896
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,399
uh uh fiscal year and um and then we

897
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:17,760
will also show you a comparison of what

898
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,200
a comparable plan would price out on the

899
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,639
fully insured market. Um we'll talk to

900
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,320
you about some different benchmark

901
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,760
values that um regionally and locally uh

902
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520
other health plans for school districts

903
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,200
what it looks like in terms of total

904
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,399
cost uh plan design and contribution

905
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,240
share between the employer and the

906
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,639
employees. Um and then we'll round out

907
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,879
with uh the recommendations as Brian

908
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:47,200
said. First thing I want to just lead

909
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,359
off with is um the Ashkosh school

910
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:55,440
district has chosen to self-fund its uh

911
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,240
health plan for the last several years.

912
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,640
Um 80%

913
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,200
uh in the 80% of employers in the

914
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
country that have more than 200

915
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,320
employees enrolled on uh a sponsored

916
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,800
health plan do self-fund their health

917
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,680
plan. Uh so that's stated to say that

918
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040
self-funding is normative. Uh it's not

919
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,640
the only thing that you can do. You can

920
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960
certainly go to an insurance company and

921
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,760
purchase a fully insured plan, but

922
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,480
self-unding is normative. Uh

923
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,760
self-funding does bring inherent risk.

924
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,599
It is not a dollar for-dollar risk

925
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,680
transfer like purchasing a plan from a

926
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640
fully insured carrier. Self-funding

927
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,680
brings variance to cost and that's one

928
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,599
of the things that was experienced in

929
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,640
the last uh fiscal year particularly in

930
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,200
2025 we had a higher prevalence of

931
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,160
highcost shock episode uh uh healthc

932
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,760
care events. Um that's code for you're

933
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,880
going to have situations that happen and

934
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,040
are not going to be recurring costs. Um

935
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,240
to give you one specific example, uh a

936
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,960
premature infant born that has to go

937
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,839
into the NICU is going to typically cost

938
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:15,440
in the six figures. Um there were events

939
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,440
like that. Those are not necessarily

940
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,280
going to be recurring events, but when

941
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,200
those do happen, they're going to drive

942
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000
the total net expense um that an

943
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,640
employer uh is going to incur during

944
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,920
that period of time. And that's

945
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,640
certainly what happened in 2025. When we

946
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:36,320
look back um from fiscal year 2022 23 23

947
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,760
24 25 and 2526

948
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,320
and you average the total paid expenses

949
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,359
all in the average cost those four years

950
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:51,040
is uh $28.5 million.

951
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,720
uh there isn't a dramatic variance

952
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,800
across those four years when you look at

953
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,400
the average. But when you compare fiscal

954
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,240
year 2425 to 2526,

955
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,560
we had an increase in paid claims of

956
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,440
about $4 million.

957
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,079
When you self-fund a health plan, you're

958
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,760
going to purchase stop-loss reinsurance,

959
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,400
which is going to allow you to take off

960
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,320
the top end of large dollar claimments.

961
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
The district currently has a stop-loss

962
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,599
limit of $225,000.

963
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,200
So that means if an individual has

964
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,920
claims that exceed $225,000, that

965
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,760
liability no longer sits with the plan.

966
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,720
In fiscal year 2526,

967
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,160
we had $3 million of claims that were

968
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,240
reimbursed off the top of that uh 30 uh

969
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,320
$31 million of claims. And I'm going off

970
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,599
the top of my head because I don't have

971
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,400
it on a slide for you, but that is to

972
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,720
say, there's a lot more detail that goes

973
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,119
into what we're sharing here. uh Sherry

974
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,440
and I Sherry and I a virgin we will

975
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,200
avail ourselves to any of you to have

976
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,680
those individual conversations if you

977
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,320
want to uh dive deep. Uh tonight is not

978
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,400
necessarily designed to do that. Tonight

979
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
is uh designed to give you hopefully a

980
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,240
useful uh snapshot view of the items I

981
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,320
mentioned before.

982
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,560
So what we start with is how did we get

983
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,079
to the fiscal year 2526

984
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,200
budget value? Uh it's our understanding

985
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,160
that on the right hand side uh the

986
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,160
school district took the per employee

987
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,119
per month average cost of the prior 3

988
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,760
years. And again per employee per month

989
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,560
means uh the total cost divisible by the

990
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,599
number of enrolled employees on average

991
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,839
that were on the plan. So, if you look

992
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:54,880
at uh the 2023

993
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,440
uh expense average, it was right on the

994
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,000
numbers $2,000, 24 was 1841, and 25 uh

995
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,560
was 1990.

996
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,760
As Brian mentioned before, we do have

997
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,560
one thing that um kind of uh creates a

998
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,720
bit of a challenge with the way that we

999
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,480
look at the health plan expense and how

1000
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,880
you budget. and that is the staggering

1001
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,440
in the fiscal year to the actual plan

1002
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,800
year. So when you're looking at this

1003
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,440
number, that budget value was calculated

1004
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,040
looking at the plan year and not the

1005
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,560
fiscal year. Why that matters is when

1006
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,920
you look at the plan year, you're going

1007
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,800
to have overlapping expenses.

1008
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
For example, if I look at 2023 as a plan

1009
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,320
year and I say the average was $2,000

1010
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,920
per employee per month, well, that

1011
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,960
actually is crossing over claims that

1012
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,000
counted towards 2022

1013
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,359
fiscal year and 2324

1014
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:56,400
fiscal year. That average across the

1015
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,599
three years was 1944

1016
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,480
per employee per month. that was taken

1017
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,280
then and uh multiplied by the average

1018
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,760
number of employees that were enrolled

1019
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,160
in a month over uh the prior year to get

1020
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,440
to the budget value.

1021
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,920
We will uh first tell you there are

1022
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,119
different ways to establish a budget.

1023
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:25,200
um looking backwards and doing a blended

1024
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,240
average across prior years

1025
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,160
uh is not exactly an actuarial or

1026
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,680
underwritten

1027
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,240
um approach that we would recommend

1028
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,560
doing. And the reason why we wouldn't

1029
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,560
necessarily recommend just going off of

1030
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,720
a blended average per employee per month

1031
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,920
value is that health plan risk is driven

1032
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
by uh health risk inside of a plan. And

1033
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,119
when you're looking at establishing your

1034
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,599
budget moving into the next year, uh

1035
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,839
especially when you're self-funded, you

1036
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:57,680
have access to population information

1037
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,240
that allows you to do some forecasting

1038
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,880
forward of the actual risk. To go back

1039
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,000
to my example of a NICU uh baby, if you

1040
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,800
had a $500,000

1041
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,240
uh NICU inpatient hospitalization charge

1042
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,599
that hit a fiscal year, that $500,000 is

1043
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,680
going to be blended into that average.

1044
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,359
and you may not see that again in the

1045
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:20,880
next year. So you wouldn't necessarily

1046
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
want to budget for that specific risk.

1047
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:25,760
In other words, you'd want to understand

1048
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,359
inside of our population, what

1049
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,440
percentage of of that population is

1050
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,920
going to be recurring risk versus shock

1051
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,440
risk. That is something that we did do

1052
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,760
as we made a recommendation for the

1053
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,119
budget for fiscal year 2627.

1054
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,440
Uh and it is a sound practice that we

1055
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960
would recommend. And to Brian's point,

1056
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,160
this is how uh a Virgin is going to help

1057
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,160
the district moving forward. So that

1058
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,839
when you establish that budget, you have

1059
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:56,079
a riskbased uh forecast value.

1060
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,839
When you take that blended net, uh you

1061
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:02,800
are ultimately going to split that out

1062
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,760
into the rate tiering. The district has

1063
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,560
a two-tier rate. Single enrollment or

1064
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,000
family enrollment. It's what you're

1065
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,319
going to see in the upper uh left.

1066
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:13,839
You're going to subtract out your

1067
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:17,119
monthly employee contributions to get to

1068
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,640
an equivalent budget rate for single and

1069
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,400
family. That's what you are seeing here

1070
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,839
on this screen across the bottom. Uh

1071
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:29,440
when we look at the actual plan paid

1072
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,040
spend, uh the total for the claims admin

1073
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,160
and stop-loss premium cost for the plan

1074
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,119
between uh July of 25 through end of

1075
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:46,160
June 26 was $30.5 million. Uh when your

1076
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319
budget value is coming in underneath

1077
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,160
that, of course, you're going to be over

1078
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,839
budget. uh based on the PEPM uh

1079
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:56,720
calculation we were according to the

1080
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,440
actual paid expense 7% over. Now what

1081
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,040
I'm going to tell you is that when you

1082
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,880
look at the value of claims

1083
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,800
there's different ways to look at how

1084
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,800
you're going to apply those claim values

1085
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,640
against the budget. And uh two of them

1086
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,720
historically drive the way that you

1087
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,800
would establish a budget. One is that

1088
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,359
you look at the date that the claim is

1089
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:26,079
incurred and the second is that you look

1090
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,839
at the date that the claim is actually

1091
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:31,520
paid. To say it much more simply, uh

1092
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,119
when I go into a clinic for services,

1093
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,520
it's going to take approximately 30 to

1094
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,359
90 days for that claim to actually

1095
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,920
mature, get to the insurance carrier,

1096
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,040
and be paid. Do I value the dollar

1097
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,280
amount of that claim as the date that

1098
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,920
it's actually paid or the date that it's

1099
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,480
incurred? Uh there's not a right or

1100
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,800
wrong necessarily, but if we look at the

1101
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,480
values differently and we apply them to

1102
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,480
the the budget, you're going to get

1103
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,480
variance in what was actually uh

1104
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,910
attributed to the fiscal year.

1105
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,920
This is a perspective slide. So again in

1106
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,800
the uh purple color you're going to have

1107
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,560
the budget for fiscal year 2526

1108
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,440
again with that pepm blended average.

1109
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,119
Then you're going to have on the far

1110
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:25,920
left a pm equivalent based on the total

1111
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,240
costs that were uh that were paid out

1112
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,680
during that 12-month period of time uh

1113
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,920
divisible back into a per employee per

1114
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,160
month. Again, that's why you see the

1115
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,040
budget was or the actual expenses were

1116
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,280
over the budget.

1117
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,200
The teal color is the proposed per

1118
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,680
employee per month value, the 2197.

1119
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400
And on the far right hand side, it's our

1120
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,119
job as consultants uh when we're working

1121
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,359
with an employer to make sure that

1122
00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,680
they're aware of all options that are on

1123
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,119
the market. So, I started out talking

1124
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,440
about fully insured versus self-unding

1125
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,960
because that certainly is a market

1126
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,839
option. Uh, we do want to do routine

1127
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,839
market checks and that's what we did for

1128
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:11,839
the district just to make sure that

1129
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,520
self-funding

1130
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,560
uh still is the most um budget feasible

1131
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,359
option. We did go to the market. We

1132
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:21,520
looked at fully insured carrier options.

1133
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,040
We also looked at regional carrier

1134
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,400
options. Um, the response back was not a

1135
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,800
positive one. this was the best fully

1136
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,400
insured option for a comparable plan to

1137
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,839
what is currently offered. That uh value

1138
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:39,280
compared to the uh new budget number

1139
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,440
came in at 19% over. Um when we look at

1140
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,920
the actual plan design, your current

1141
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,839
plan does not the district's plan does

1142
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:51,040
not have a deductible, has co-pays. uh

1143
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,440
it's very affordable in terms of market

1144
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,720
comparable plans uh in a fully insured

1145
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,640
landscape. That was almost an applesto

1146
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,960
apples comparison.

1147
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,480
The reason why I think this is so

1148
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,800
important is this shows you what a fully

1149
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,520
baked offer would be from an insurance

1150
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,040
company when they look at the risk

1151
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,960
instead of the school district and they

1152
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,720
say this is what we think it would cost

1153
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,560
for us to take on all of that risk. What

1154
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,720
you should get from this is that it's

1155
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,319
still the best option to self-fund even

1156
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:24,640
with uh potential variance in claims

1157
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,640
risk against the fully insured value.

1158
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,000
I'm going to hand it over to Sherry to

1159
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,440
talk through some benchmarks.

1160
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,520
>> Yeah. So, um just like we want to make

1161
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,880
sure that we're looking at all of the

1162
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,760
options for the ways that you can ensure

1163
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,760
your employee population, we also want

1164
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160
to be looking at what are others in the

1165
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,720
market doing. So, we did a few different

1166
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,680
looks at benchmarking options. This

1167
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,119
first one and a couple of different

1168
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,119
sources for those benchmarking options

1169
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,880
as well. This one is looking at um both

1170
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
regional and national. Looking at

1171
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,200
employers of 1,00 employees or greater.

1172
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,880
Um the regional of course is in the

1173
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,040
Great Lakes region, national is

1174
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,480
national, and they're looking

1175
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000
specifically at schools in this data. So

1176
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,400
when you look kind of on the left hand

1177
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,560
side of the screen there, you can see

1178
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,960
the Oshkosh area school districts, the

1179
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,400
dark um the the dark row or column I

1180
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
should say. Um next to that is the

1181
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,960
cohort. The cohort is going to be the

1182
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,079
regional comparison of where you're at.

1183
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:31,119
Um and then the lighter teal color is

1184
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,119
going to be the national comparison to

1185
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,440
where you're at. So you can see that

1186
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640
both your single and your family premium

1187
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,359
that the employees are contributing is

1188
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,319
far below what's happening from this

1189
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:47,440
benchmarking comparison. Um so I think

1190
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,119
that's really the most important

1191
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,680
takeaway. There's more the specific data

1192
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,520
is kind of on the right but I think the

1193
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,920
visual shows you that's a good quick

1194
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,960
question. I'm not sure if anyone would

1195
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,400
know the answer to. Does anybody know

1196
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,319
why we were set at 5150 for singles and

1197
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:06,079
$100 for family? Okay.

1198
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,200
>> We do not. I believe when we took uh

1199
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,800
when we came in, I believe those were

1200
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,400
the rates and they've stayed the same

1201
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,839
since we've been working with your

1202
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,440
group. Okay.

1203
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,440
I think it's important to note if you

1204
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,960
look in that chart under OASD and you

1205
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,920
look at the employer share

1206
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,839
uh on the single and family you can see

1207
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:28,480
that uh the district is picking up over

1208
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,240
90%.

1209
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,000
And when you compare that to the cohort

1210
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,599
in the nationally you can see the

1211
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,839
averages are uh in the 70s. Now, when we

1212
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,839
get into comparing this to some of the

1213
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,520
other districts, you're going to see

1214
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,240
that that percentage share uh jumps up a

1215
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,720
little bit. Um, but that's that's one

1216
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,480
other metric that you should be keeping

1217
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,319
an eye on.

1218
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:54,160
We did discuss um going into last year's

1219
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,280
renewal whether or not there should

1220
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,119
potentially be an increase to the

1221
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,920
premium for employees. Um, and at that

1222
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,000
time because the health plan was still

1223
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,160
fairly new, there were still a lot of,

1224
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,640
you know, changes that employees were

1225
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,839
getting used to, uh, the intent was to

1226
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,000
try not to change anything to try to

1227
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,839
ensure that people stayed focused on

1228
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:17,839
just getting used to the plan. So, just

1229
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,160
want to give you that as well. Uh, the

1230
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160
next source that we looked at, this is

1231
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,160
going to be a look at Wisconsin as a

1232
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,079
whole. So, these are again going to be

1233
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,319
school districts across the the state of

1234
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,040
Wisconsin. And there are 421

1235
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,599
districts in this benchmark. This is

1236
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,240
self-reported data. So just be aware of

1237
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,160
that. Certainly there could be a mistake

1238
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,160
in here if it were entered incorrectly.

1239
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,520
But um basically we're comparing Oshkosh

1240
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,440
more specifically to the ones that

1241
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,440
you're probably most curious about that

1242
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,000
are local that are about your same size.

1243
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,920
So what this is showing you again the

1244
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,119
single premium uh 759 is where the

1245
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,680
Ashkosh Area School District is at. And

1246
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,000
when you go down the list, 830 for

1247
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,040
Appleton, Green Bay is at almost 800.

1248
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,319
Um, Lacrosse is a little bit lower. Uh,

1249
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:10,079
they also are a fully insured plan. And

1250
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,400
typically those fully insured plans are

1251
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,480
going to have a high deductible health

1252
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,720
plan. So, they'll bring the premium down

1253
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,720
a little bit and they'll pass that same

1254
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,960
cost on. They just do it through the

1255
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,480
deductible instead of through the

1256
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,800
premium. So, just um some of the

1257
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,359
differences there. Um and then again as

1258
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,760
you kind of go across you can see that

1259
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,000
whereas um the employees are paying

1260
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,240
about 7% of the premium for single and

1261
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,880
about 12% of the premium or excuse me

1262
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,720
I'm looking at the wrong one about 4% of

1263
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,880
the premium for family. As you go down

1264
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,480
the list and you're looking at those

1265
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,400
percentages in each of the other school

1266
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,520
districts they're paying a a pretty a

1267
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,760
pretty significantly higher amount of

1268
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,720
the premium um of the total premium. So

1269
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,960
that's what's happening in Wisconsin.

1270
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,599
And then um Brian helped us to gather

1271
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,400
data from Baird that looked um more

1272
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,200
specifically at CISA 6 information. So

1273
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,800
we wanted to add that in there as well.

1274
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,640
So we kind of start out a little bit

1275
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,480
broader and keep getting closer and

1276
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,440
closer to exactly where you guys are at.

1277
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,319
Um so again you can look at the Oshkosh

1278
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:19,200
numbers in the teal column start

1279
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,000
comparing across what um is happening

1280
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,760
across CISA 6 and um understand once

1281
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,200
again that for the most part um in each

1282
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,000
area you can see that your employees are

1283
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,680
sitting in a a position where they're

1284
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,200
paying much less than most um of these

1285
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,359
districts are. Well, one thing just to

1286
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:40,240
note, excuse me.

1287
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:40,720
>> Yes.

1288
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,839
>> Is most of this is lagging data. It's a

1289
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:44,480
year old.

1290
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,040
>> Yes.

1291
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,359
>> So, most of these premiums have

1292
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:50,160
increased over the last year, but that

1293
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,440
model is a year behind. So, like looking

1294
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,760
at Appleton's current slide up there. We

1295
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,839
just got updated numbers last year and

1296
00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,920
they're about $100 more for a family

1297
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,160
fund than that what's actually listed up

1298
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,000
there because that's lagging data.

1299
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,720
It's also important to note that when

1300
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,480
you're comparing

1301
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,800
uh contribution share and you look at

1302
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,400
the values that are coming out on a

1303
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,599
monthly basis from the employee

1304
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,119
when you look at it from a percentage

1305
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,000
perspective you also have to factor in

1306
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
the value of the plan. Uh arguably when

1307
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,520
we just go back a slide and you look at

1308
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,280
the different plans Sherry mentioned

1309
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,119
this on the right hand side uh three of

1310
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,319
those plans have a deductible meaning a

1311
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,000
member is going to have out-of- pocket

1312
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,480
expense for any major amount of care

1313
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,800
that they are going to consume. The

1314
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Oshkosh plan not only doesn't have a

1315
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,400
deductible but does afford many

1316
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,160
opportunities um thousands of services

1317
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200
actually inside of the plan uh are

1318
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,880
available at no cost to a member. Um now

1319
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,079
they have to use uh specific programs to

1320
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,880
access that. On the primary care side,

1321
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,200
uh the employer sponsored primary care

1322
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,960
options

1323
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,480
um through the clinic and uh the

1324
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,359
specialist side and with pharmacy they

1325
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:19,440
have to work through the collaborative

1326
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,440
care program which is a clinic uh

1327
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,359
clinically le concierge uh program but

1328
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:27,839
that does afford them access to a number

1329
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:29,920
of services that would be paying at out

1330
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,440
of out uh $0 out of pocket. when you

1331
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,319
weigh that type of value into the plan

1332
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:39,040
that probably on a fully insured uh

1333
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,319
basis is going to add another 10 to 20%

1334
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:45,920
of actuarial value. So in terms of the

1335
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
richness of the plan, the Oshkosh plan

1336
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680
has a lot uh more value to the plan than

1337
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,720
the rest of the plans do. I think it's

1338
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,240
worth pointing out quickly too just

1339
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,839
there's the if you can't read the fine

1340
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:00,160
print there, this is not secret data.

1341
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,680
The this is reported to the Department

1342
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,880
of Administration. And so there's a

1343
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,720
public website that has the school

1344
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,640
district healthcare benefits report. So

1345
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,400
if anybody wants to verify any of this,

1346
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,160
they can go and check out all of this

1347
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,839
information themselves.

1348
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:12,559
>> Thank you.

1349
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:13,520
>> Mhm.

1350
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,559
>> Okay. It's it's very valuable to note um

1351
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,480
that it is publicly available. It's also

1352
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,480
valuable to note that when you look

1353
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,559
across not just the public sector,

1354
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,559
private sector, a lot of the benchmark

1355
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,720
information would which would support

1356
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,119
the fact that uh the district has had a

1357
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,280
very rich contribution

1358
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,559
uh approach and I think in terms of when

1359
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,240
we look at um a a healthier budget

1360
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,880
moving forward, this is the uh simplest

1361
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,640
place to [snorts] start with is the

1362
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,160
contribution share and that's why we

1363
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,160
started there.

1364
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,520
Um ultimately we're going to look at a

1365
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,319
couple of things uh mechanically. One is

1366
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:56,480
you have a two-tier plan. So what that

1367
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960
ultimately does is it pushes everyone

1368
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,000
who's going to enroll a spouse

1369
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,520
or dependent into the same bucket as

1370
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,440
someone that's going to enroll a spouse

1371
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,480
and dependent. Most employer sponsored

1372
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,720
plans are going to have a three tier or

1373
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,680
a four tier uh rating. Meaning, if I'm

1374
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,680
going to enroll just my spouse, I pay

1375
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,200
one rate. If I'm going to enroll my

1376
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,960
spouse and my kids, I pay a separate

1377
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,559
rate.

1378
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,319
This is going to show you keeping the

1379
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:27,440
same two-tier rate. Uh there is a slide

1380
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,720
after this that's going to show you what

1381
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,000
it would look like to move to uh a more

1382
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,599
normal four tier structure. Along the

1383
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,599
top, we have those 2026 rates per month.

1384
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,119
When we uh do the budget equation, uh

1385
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:44,559
the budget calculation on the

1386
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,680
recommendation for the $31.5 million

1387
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,760
budget,

1388
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,400
uh the rate build back into a two-tier

1389
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,720
structure essentially lands it at about

1390
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:59,520
a 9.2% rate equivalent increase.

1391
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,359
When we looked at the current

1392
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:04,319
contributions, 50 and 100, and we said,

1393
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,359
okay, we're definitely below market.

1394
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:08,960
Let's take that up to what would be

1395
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,799
comparable in the market. You can see we

1396
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:13,440
kind of straddled the line with um what

1397
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,079
were uh reasonably comparable in the

1398
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,240
market. So we went with a 10% of premium

1399
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,480
equivalent, 12% and 15%. On the two-tier

1400
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,359
rate, uh this is what the rates would go

1401
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:28,240
to for employees. So if I'm single, we

1402
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,480
go to 12%, my number is going to go from

1403
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,200
50 a month to 99 a month. Family, I'm

1404
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,000
going to go from 100 to 337. What this

1405
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,680
does in an annualized budget savings is

1406
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,440
across the bottom. And again, as Brian

1407
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,520
led off with, we have to keep in mind

1408
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,400
that you have staggered fiscal years to

1409
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,319
plan years. So these contributions would

1410
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:51,280
not take effect uh until January of

1411
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,520
2027. And you wouldn't fully realize

1412
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,559
those savings until you complete uh plan

1413
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,119
year 2027.

1414
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,760
If we look then at the four tier

1415
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,079
structure, what's going to happen is

1416
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,839
you're going to take that uh PEPM target

1417
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:09,920
uh at the 31.5

1418
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,680
and you're just going to do an actuarial

1419
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,240
calculation to get you to a four tier

1420
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,599
rate. The four tier rate is shown across

1421
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:20,960
the bottom. And one more time, if you go

1422
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,240
with a 10% a share, 12% a share, and 15%

1423
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:30,559
a share, that's where those rates uh are displayed here. The reason why you

1424
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,799
would look at a four tier is that any

1425
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:35,200
rate increase uh from a contribution

1426
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,760
perspective for a family who only has a

1427
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,000
spouse or a dependent uh could be uh

1428
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
cushioned a little bit by going to a

1429
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,880
four- tier strategy and vice versa with

1430
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,880
family. That's really why we would want

1431
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,559
to look at a four tier administratively.

1432
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:56,240
Uh once you make the swap from two-tier

1433
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,680
to four tier, um that that switch is

1434
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,079
just a one-time administrative burden

1435
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,160
moving forward. Four tier is going to be

1436
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,359
more normal in the market. Um again,

1437
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:08,880
this is not something that you have to

1438
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,839
force uh this year. Two to four tier,

1439
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:13,520
but we did want to show that as an

1440
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,160
option. I will say just to pause there,

1441
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,319
I think from a as a board member in

1442
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:20,240
thinking about decisions to be made for

1443
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,920
the plan again as we're targeting um

1444
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,520
October to be able to make those

1445
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,920
decisions really I want you to think

1446
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,319
through kind of two aspects of this. One

1447
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:33,040
is the tiering process. So whether it's

1448
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,839
two-tier or four tier like that would be

1449
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:38,400
a decision point to be able to think

1450
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,400
through and weigh in on. And then the

1451
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,079
other point would be the percentage of

1452
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,640
contribution. um would be the other

1453
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,400
decision that we would want to make. So

1454
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,920
those are the two when thinking about

1455
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720
what we would be approving for a new

1456
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,839
plan design. Those are are in in the

1457
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,599
last two slides, those are the pivotal

1458
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,599
points that we'd want to have

1459
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,160
discussions on and be able to have you

1460
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,280
understand um as you would be voting for

1461
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,920
uh for that plan. Um and again, there's,

1462
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,480
you know, pros and cons to um to all of

1463
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,480
it. Um and just wanted to make sure

1464
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,240
again going back to the bigger context

1465
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,640
of the budget um that we're you know

1466
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,400
also keeping that in mind as we move

1467
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,319
forward

1468
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:19,839
>> when you think about these uh

1469
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:21,760
contribution shifts whether two-tier or

1470
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,920
four tier the reason why we let off with

1471
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,440
the benchmark is when you look at the

1472
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,799
benchmark uh if an individual was saying

1473
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:34,000
this is for me and my family uh this is not very competitive now I'm

1474
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,359
going to have to pay more and they would

1475
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:37,920
want to look at a competing district uh

1476
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,960
from a higher ing perspective, they're

1477
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,640
not likely to find something that's

1478
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,280
going to be less. So again, um this

1479
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,960
seems like and seemed like the most

1480
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,079
logical step to be taken.

1481
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,960
Last couple of comments here uh before

1482
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,000
we get to the recommendations.

1483
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,200
Another common uh practice uh in the

1484
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,319
market is to uh do a what's called a

1485
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:06,160
coverage buyout. Uh this um is something

1486
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,040
that would allow people that do not that

1487
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
are currently enrolled in the district's

1488
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,559
plan. So again, current currently

1489
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,160
enrolled

1490
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,520
uh who have access to a spouse's

1491
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,040
coverage

1492
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,520
to wave out of the district's plan

1493
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,040
whether they have single or family

1494
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,720
today.

1495
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,720
And in exchange for them waving out and

1496
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,520
taking that spouse's plan, which again

1497
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,119
there would have to be an administrative

1498
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,079
process that is set up and um and

1499
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,720
administered for this to be possible.

1500
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,799
They would uh receive in exchange a a

1501
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:46,160
flat buyout annually of $3,000. What

1502
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,880
this equates to on a monthly basis is

1503
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,799
$250. And then of course it will be

1504
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:53,680
split into the two uh pay periods per

1505
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,240
month. So it will be spread over 24 pay

1506
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,200
periods. Uh considered wages really just

1507
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,520
think of it as a bonus.

1508
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,520
And um when we look at this as an

1509
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,760
opportunity from a budget savings

1510
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,200
perspective, the dollars that are going

1511
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,799
to be spent, you can run the the savings

1512
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,799
projection by just simply saying we're

1513
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,280
going to have individuals who were on

1514
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,760
the average or rate equivalents are, you

1515
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,760
know, 830 for a single on a monthly

1516
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,200
basis and over two $2,000 for family.

1517
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,599
And if we move to a flat 250, that's the

1518
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,680
savings value.

1519
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,760
What I would offer to you is that when

1520
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,079
we look at it, we wanted to actually dig

1521
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:35,680
into the claims and give you a more

1522
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,640
conservative value um on the basis of

1523
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,680
what we would actually expect for

1524
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,440
average claim savings for people that

1525
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
would exit. And we gave you that uh

1526
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,079
calculation. We think it's less than

1527
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,680
$2,500

1528
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,760
um uh or or we think it's about $2,500

1529
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,359
uh a month if it was a family. And so

1530
01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:59,839
what we're looking at is calculating the

1531
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,680
number of opt outs on the right hand

1532
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,400
side. Um the cost for those opt outs,

1533
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,200
again the $3,000, but then netting back

1534
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,640
what we would expect uh for savings to

1535
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,520
the plan. To say it a much different

1536
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,599
way, if an individual that's

1537
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,079
accumulating uh a certain amount of

1538
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,880
claims, you know, maybe 10 $20,000 in a

1539
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,400
year exits, this is capping that risk at

1540
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,799
3,000. And that's why you would want to

1541
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,520
uh look at this. The other reason uh to

1542
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,839
do this is that currently today, if

1543
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,440
someone has access to a spouse's plan

1544
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,760
and they look at this plan, they really

1545
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,960
have no incentive to not take that plan.

1546
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,480
Most large employers um particularly

1547
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,000
self-funded employers in the market

1548
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,720
today actually have carveout provisions

1549
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,400
where if you have access to a spouse's

1550
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,799
plan, you have to take that or some type

1551
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:53,440
of additional premium contribution

1552
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,280
searchcharge credit. Those were things

1553
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,880
that we evaluated and those are going to

1554
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,640
be things that we continue to evaluate

1555
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,880
moving forward. This seemed like the

1556
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,079
most uh logical additional option. Do

1557
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,760
they get the benefit for like so if they

1558
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,720
were in it currently in our our plan and

1559
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,160
opt out for next year, do they just get

1560
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,839
that benefit for the next year or do

1561
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:13,680
they get it every so each year a

1562
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,880
different group of people would get that

1563
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,640
benefit for one year if they opt out?

1564
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,000
>> It's recurring. That's correct.

1565
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,799
>> Yeah. The only year but not for the same

1566
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:21,599
person.

1567
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,200
>> They get it every year.

1568
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,559
>> Every year. That's correct. We don't

1569
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,559
want them necessarily hopping back on.

1570
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:33,670
>> Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. Great question.

1571
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,480
So the recommendations at this point uh

1572
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,640
narrowed down to the premium

1573
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
contribution again we had we looked at

1574
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,480
the 10 12 and 15 we feel like the 12% of

1575
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,200
premium shares very competitive in the

1576
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,119
market. Uh annualized savings 2.6 again

1577
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:54,000
you can just take that in half uh to

1578
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,920
show what would be realized in the uh

1579
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,799
coming fiscal year. And then the uh

1580
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,760
coverage buyout um as well. That

1581
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,000
coverage buyout number is obviously

1582
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,000
going to be dependent on the number of

1583
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,200
optouts. That value that is shown here

1584
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,640
is a very cons conservative

1585
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,000
5% uh opt out rate.

1586
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,160
The reason why we went with the 5% is we

1587
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,760
look at the Oshkosh plan and we still

1588
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:20,880
think even with the premium

1589
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,599
contributions as they are uh the the

1590
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:27,039
benefit is very strong and don't want to

1591
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:28,960
overestimate that.

1592
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,920
>> So as as you would think back to um the

1593
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,200
if then structure um tool that we had uh

1594
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,319
previously we had about 1.6 uh million

1595
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:39,839
dollars that was in there. So again, if

1596
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:42,559
you if you take these two in half

1597
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,400
because we only get benefit of the

1598
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,920
savings for half the year because the

1599
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,680
way the insurance plan is, that's where

1600
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,960
we come up with the um with the uh one

1601
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,440
1.6 and again from a premium

1602
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,119
contribution again from just thinking

1603
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,839
about decision-m process um as I've

1604
01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:00,000
mentioned you know whether it's a tiered

1605
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,799
plan or a four- tier plan or a two-tier

1606
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:06,720
plan the savings is really equivalent to

1607
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,880
the district. Um, if we stay at well, if

1608
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,039
we stay at the 12%, it would be the 2.6.

1609
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:16,720
It would be if you move uh down to 10%,

1610
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,240
right? It would be a little bit less in

1611
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,400
savings. If you'd move up to 15%, it

1612
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,319
would be a little bit more in savings.

1613
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:24,319
But the tiering, we'd have to make a

1614
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:26,640
decision on the tiering um because that

1615
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,240
makes a difference for employees. But as

1616
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,599
far as the budget number and the

1617
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,760
savings, um it would be the same in the

1618
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
four tier plan as in the two-tier plan.

1619
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,359
the coverage buyout um that was

1620
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:40,319
described as number two would be uh like

1621
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,160
yes or no, right? I mean certainly if

1622
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,319
you wanted to go in there and tweak the

1623
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:46,720
amount of the buyout um you can do that.

1624
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,079
would have some budget

1625
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,319
implications. Um but generally that's

1626
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:55,280
going to be uh do we want to do that or not do that. Um so this has been our

1627
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,920
discussion um especially intensely this

1628
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,160
week um with the finance committee on

1629
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,920
Monday night uh with all of our union

1630
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,680
groups last night um having the

1631
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,319
conversations uh I think and and this

1632
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:08,400
presentation has evolved based on that

1633
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,799
feedback. Um that's why you know I

1634
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,079
wanted to be able to have the finished

1635
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,880
product here tonight. Um, so feedback

1636
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,039
from the finance committee, which

1637
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,599
members here can can speak to, uh, but

1638
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,200
the the coverage buyout, I think, was

1639
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,400
something that was looked at as

1640
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,240
something that would employees would

1641
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,000
have a choice for. Um, that would be a

1642
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,960
good uh helpful move. Um, and and that

1643
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,039
also was um, you know, I think generally

1644
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:32,799
supported as we talked with our union

1645
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:34,559
groups yesterday. Uh the premium

1646
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,119
contribution again from a union

1647
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,280
conversation um they had asked to have

1648
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,799
that tiering um uh the four tier version

1649
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:44,880
as part of the options to look at. So

1650
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,200
that's why we included it um in there.

1651
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,680
Um and then um you know there was

1652
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,319
advocacy around dropping from 12% to

1653
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:55,200
10%. Um like in our model to see if that

1654
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,960
would um make it from a budget

1655
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,760
standpoint. So again, those are that's

1656
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,359
just the feedback that we've got this

1657
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:04,319
week with, you know, the both the uh

1658
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,480
board committee along with the uh union

1659
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,240
conversations to I think good

1660
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,559
conversations. Um and I just wanted to

1661
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:12,319
be able to zero in on, you know,

1662
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:13,760
decisions that board members are going

1663
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,319
to need to make um as we would go

1664
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,400
through go through this process. So

1665
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,400
>> can can you go back and just what would

1666
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:27,190
the savings be for the 10%

1667
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,839
uh one 1.9 which again is in half. So I

1668
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:32,079
mean

1669
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,720
>> given that the what we discussed earlier

1670
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,799
was based on the 12% what would be the

1671
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:38,400
recommendations for additional cuts if

1672
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,960
we went with the 10%.

1673
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,319
>> That's what the board that would need to

1674
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,240
be the decision right I mean that would

1675
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,839
need to be that needs to come from

1676
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:47,920
somewhere.

1677
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Okay.

1678
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,520
>> Are there

1679
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,799
I mean obviously the current model

1680
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:56,400
they'll there'll have to be some

1681
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,160
adjustments to are there any

1682
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,760
self-insured plans that incentivize

1683
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,880
like health and activity, you know, cuz

1684
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,400
I know I've been in a plan before and

1685
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,960
it's like if you do a wellness check,

1686
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,839
you get 500 bucks in your HSA. If you

1687
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,440
walk eight to 10,000 steps a day, you

1688
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,920
get money knocked off of your plan

1689
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,319
really because this cost and some of it

1690
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,040
is unavoidable cuz we all have health

1691
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,440
incidents and we all have you know

1692
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,759
things that genetically happen or

1693
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:34,319
whatever, right? Like but you know this number is you know reflection of

1694
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,159
where we're at for healthcare needs. And

1695
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,400
there's certainly some things where

1696
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,799
maybe if we incentivized,

1697
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,560
you know, different things like we could

1698
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,799
knock down our total cost as a group,

1699
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:48,080
you know what I mean? And then when you

1700
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,799
knock down your total cost, we knock

1701
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,319
down the cost of everything and have

1702
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,239
more money for different things. So, um,

1703
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,120
>> is there any plans that so because this

1704
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,560
is our plan, right?

1705
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,719
>> Are there plans that do that type those

1706
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,480
types of things, right? where we can get

1707
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,960
together as, you know, make an

1708
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,719
initiative maybe like we're going to

1709
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:10,319
knock these costs down and we're going

1710
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:12,480
to all get cheaper health care because

1711
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:15,120
of it and, you know, and the districts

1712
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,480
can be in a better place.

1713
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,839
>> Yeah, Chris, that's a that's a great

1714
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:20,080
point and a good question. There are so

1715
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,000
in our exploration of what districts

1716
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
around us are doing, there are a lot of

1717
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,503
health incentives built in. And so

1718
01:09:26,503 --> 01:09:27,839
[snorts] that's something we would take

1719
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:30,080
to our committee certainly to help

1720
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,799
design and look at and evaluate.

1721
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:34,799
The the point you also make is education

1722
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,199
for our staff on how to use this plan

1723
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:38,400
correctly.

1724
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,520
>> And Drew hit on it earlier. If if we

1725
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,239
educate better, if if we provide

1726
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,400
accurate, timely information on how to

1727
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,359
utilize our plan to to save money as a

1728
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,239
whole, that will start to level things

1729
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:54,239
out. taken advantage of collaborative

1730
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,440
care all the free services and I don't

1731
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,760
know that there was a lot of incentive

1732
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,960
to do that when your premium is only 50

1733
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,880
or 100

1734
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,040
>> Mhm. when the premium becomes gets

1735
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,040
closer to market, there's more incentive

1736
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,760
to use the PR plan properly. So, as a

1737
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,560
district, those costs can come down. I

1738
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,520
think that's also one of our initiatives

1739
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,920
is to make sure we're looking at that.

1740
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,600
But to your original point, we'll have

1741
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,239
that committee explore every option

1742
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,239
under the sun. When this first iteration

1743
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:28,239
came out, I think we had five or six

1744
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,199
options within the healthcare plan from

1745
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,679
the the credits to the search charges to

1746
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:36,480
tiers, which we would like to take to

1747
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,239
the committee and have them vet how can

1748
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,880
we do this collectively as a group with

1749
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
the time frame we have and the and the

1750
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,000
current budget situation. We have to

1751
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,920
make some decisions rather quickly about

1752
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,480
moving forward, but the the plan is in

1753
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,080
place to move forward with things like

1754
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,920
you're talking about. Yeah, just I work

1755
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,480
every day with them. A lot of people

1756
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,640
that are unhealthy in healthcare and

1757
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,040
>> it's amazing what happens if they start

1758
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,040
walking 30 40 minutes a day. All a

1759
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,920
sudden type 2 diabetes is gone. All of a

1760
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,679
sudden they're not on insulin anymore.

1761
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:10,400
You know what I mean? And I our health

1762
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,400
care cost as a country is all of our

1763
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,159
health care costs. You know what I mean?

1764
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:15,520
And the healthier we can become

1765
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,480
together. So any I'm really in favor of

1766
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,199
any types of those types of

1767
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:23,280
>> just got assigned to a a committee just

1768
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,199
so you know [laughter]

1769
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,679
>> we are uh we we are fully behind you on

1770
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:29,120
that and you know

1771
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,239
>> Brian's point is is very salient. That's

1772
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,800
what we want to be able to to do. Uh

1773
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,320
there's a lot of different strategies in

1774
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,199
the market. I I will say that um not

1775
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,600
only can we explore those things, but I

1776
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,000
do think and I know you all have so many

1777
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,239
different things on your plate that

1778
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,400
you're looking at. So, taking time to

1779
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,040
actually dig into the data

1780
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,199
>> uh is not necessarily what this was

1781
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:56,960
intended to do from a risk perspective.

1782
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,159
But I I will tell you that the issue

1783
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:04,640
that we see at hand is a budget issue

1784
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,280
and from an expense and risk perspective

1785
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,239
when we look across the four years we've

1786
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:14,239
actually seen improvement overall in the

1787
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:17,440
uh population as a whole. When we rate

1788
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,000
the number of moderate to high risk

1789
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,400
individuals inside of the population as

1790
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,400
a percentage that value is decreasing.

1791
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,040
Um, I think doing this would continue to

1792
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,870
throw fuel on the fire and we would

1793
01:12:31,870 --> 01:12:33,760
[clears throat] we would probably

1794
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,800
recommend a simpler approach that's tied

1795
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,080
into the clinic partners. Um, but

1796
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,920
certainly some some type of premium

1797
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,880
incentive or out-of- pocket expense uh

1798
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,679
incentive would make sense for that.

1799
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:52,229
>> Thank you.

1800
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:55,350
Perfect.

1801
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,199
» Thank you. I want to thank you too for

1802
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,280
your presentation here today as well as

1803
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,600
at the facilities and finance committee

1804
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,360
uh last week. It was very informative

1805
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,880
and

1806
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,080
uh very helpful. Um,

1807
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:17,830
couple of things.

1808
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,080
I I do like the idea of the three or

1809
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,120
four tier breeding program.

1810
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,679
I think that makes things more equitable

1811
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,880
for people in terms of their needs and

1812
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,360
their ability to tap into the the

1813
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,600
program um and to have the needs of

1814
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:41,830
themselves and their dependence met. Um

1815
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,080
Dr. Davis, you had stated earlier that

1816
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,239
we still need to cut $7 million to

1817
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,719
balance the budget by October 31st of

1818
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:52,436
this year. This proposal for the

1819
01:13:52,436 --> 01:13:53,120
[clears throat]

1820
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,719
um

1821
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:58,640
coverage buyout and the 12% premium in

1822
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,880
increase gets us to 1.6. Where would

1823
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,560
that remaining money come from?

1824
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,159
>> So that would be if we go back to the

1825
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:07,840
slide on the uh the FN um the F10

1826
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,080
matrices.

1827
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,719
You [clears throat] go back to that.

1828
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:15,920
So uh that one. Yes. Um so the remaining

1829
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,719
uh the remaining amounts would be uh the

1830
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:22,719
transfer service uh fund 46 uh payment

1831
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:25,040
um using the uh other post-employment

1832
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,120
benefits trust fund which again is

1833
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,280
maintaining retirement benefits but

1834
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,280
using the fund balance that we have in

1835
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,239
there along with our uh credit to our

1836
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:37,760
payment for our SRO to fund 80. So that

1837
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,560
the um fourth line there, the 12%

1838
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,280
employee share is is part of that larger picture. And that's

1839
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,080
what gets us to again achieve that $7

1840
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,800
million goal. That obviously adds up to

1841
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,560
$8 million. Okay.

1842
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,480
>> To me, that's risk management like in

1843
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,199
our current current situation. Um and

1844
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,280
that that's where that lies and is up

1845
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,239
for discussion.

1846
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,960
>> Okay. and and what what is the

1847
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,120
opportunity cost or what are we losing

1848
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,239
by cutting $4 million under this

1849
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,400
proposal for other post-employment

1850
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,840
benefits?

1851
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,199
>> What are we losing?

1852
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:17,199
>> Um so as we would uh related to like

1853
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:19,760
state aid re reimbursement or

1854
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,400
>> anything?

1855
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,640
>> Yeah. O overall that would be so we have

1856
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,640
a healthy uh trust uh a fund balance for

1857
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,360
our uh other post-employment benefits.

1858
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,679
Um, I think it's $16 million. I I don't

1859
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:34,960
remember the exact number, but it's a

1860
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,120
healthy it's a healthy amount for a

1861
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,880
one-year time. What we're recommending

1862
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,960
is that instead of that $4 million

1863
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,560
payment coming out of the operational

1864
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,719
budget in fund 10, that we would take

1865
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:46,719
that from the fund balance um from the

1866
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:49,840
other post-employment benefits. Now, the

1867
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,640
I would say the downside of that um for

1868
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,280
us is that that automatically builds in

1869
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,000
a $4 million structural deficit for next

1870
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,440
year because we can't do that

1871
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,520
year-over-year. So, that would be the

1872
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,840
negative side of doing that. Um but

1873
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,239
again because we're in a situation um

1874
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,520
you know that we're in right now with

1875
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,840
the school year moving forward um we

1876
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,679
think that's the best the recommendation

1877
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:13,440
is that's the best way to go for the one

1878
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,760
time and then again immediately start

1879
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,280
working on next year and what those

1880
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,000
reductions need to be as we move forward

1881
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,239
>> and it has to be clear right it has no

1882
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,199
impact on the payment out of these

1883
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:28,400
earned benefits correct obligations to

1884
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,000
be paid regardless and the benefits

1885
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,640
would stay the same

1886
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,480
>> that fund could be at zero and we're

1887
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,159
still paying 100% of that just out of

1888
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:35,280
the operations fund.

1889
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,120
>> Correct. Yes. And that that's what Brian

1890
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,800
was referencing before.

1891
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,320
>> I know there have been changes in the

1892
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,080
business office over the last several

1893
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,320
months. We did get the re um

1894
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,040
recommendations from Todd Gray and the

1895
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,239
other um consultant by June. This is the

1896
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,480
end of September.

1897
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,679
I feel like the timing of this is is a

1898
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:00,719
problem because now we have a very short

1899
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:03,360
window in which to make decisions that

1900
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,679
are going to affect hundreds of

1901
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,080
employees across the district. I wish we

1902
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,360
would have had this information

1903
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,679
at least um by August so that there was

1904
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:19,760
more time for people to um review this

1905
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,159
and and have their input. I feel like

1906
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,800
we're we're being rushed to do this. We

1907
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:30,480
have to set the tax levy by the end of

1908
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,199
October by state law. So, we we've got

1909
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:38,080
to make these decisions. And um

1910
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,400
I'm very unhappy with the notion that

1911
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,400
we've decreased our fund balance from

1912
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,600
over 24 million to 8 million. that that

1913
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,280
is really a sad situation uh for this

1914
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,719
district

1915
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:54,480
>> and and just going going back to um uh

1916
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,719
again Todd and Todd's presentation

1917
01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:57,840
before

1918
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,080
>> in that if then matrix which is the tool

1919
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,640
that we're using here um you know we

1920
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,480
were looking at health insurance changes

1921
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:05,520
I mean that was part of the

1922
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,120
recommendation that we had talked about

1923
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,440
then I think what we what we're what

1924
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,040
we've done from then to now is be able

1925
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,360
to refine what that looks like engage a

1926
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,280
virgin and make sure that we had, you

1927
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,719
know, real numbers that we were looking

1928
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:19,120
at, making sure we had our new expertise

1929
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,280
in the business office, uh, be able to

1930
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,600
do improved forecasting as we move

1931
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,440
forward. So, those are all the the steps

1932
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,920
that we've been taking from June until

1933
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,159
now to make sure that we have a a level

1934
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,560
of, uh, confidence um, that we can move

1935
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,920
forward and be able to hit that mark.

1936
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,120
I've gone to a lot of sessions on being

1937
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,199
a better board member and most in most

1938
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,600
of those we hear over and over again do

1939
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,199
not surprise your administration and

1940
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:48,719
your administration should not be

1941
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,600
surprising your board and yet I felt

1942
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,360
there was a big surprise at the end of

1943
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,159
April when we were told that we needed

1944
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:58,960
more than the $4.6 $6 million in

1945
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,480
reductions for this year. We needed

1946
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,159
another three million. And then last

1947
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,760
Friday when we were told we needed

1948
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,239
another 7 million. I we cannot continue

1949
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:11,120
to operate like this. We just cannot.

1950
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,560
>> Agreed. And that's why there was change

1951
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,480
in the business office to make sure that

1952
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:16,080
we do not operate like this moving

1953
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,159
forward. That's my commitment.

1954
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:20,719
>> All right. Agreed. And I'll add, you

1955
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:22,640
know, back in January, and I I can fully

1956
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,640
own this when we had the discussion um

1957
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,320
about the original recommendations back

1958
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,360
then about raising the rates,

1959
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,679
we agreed, and I I fully pushed it, and

1960
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,840
I think it was the right move to wait

1961
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,520
until an open enrollment period. So, no

1962
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,800
one's getting their rates changed during the middle of the healthcare

1963
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,840
year, right?

1964
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,920
>> And I mean, I knew full well what that

1965
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,360
meant is we're going to have to pay that

1966
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,679
cost. didn't know what that cost was.

1967
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:48,960
It's come into our fund balance when

1968
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,120
we're operating in a structural deficit.

1969
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,920
So, I'll I'll happily not happily, but I

1970
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,719
will will own that. So, I get a lot of

1971
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,159
emails. Feel free to send emails on that

1972
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,400
if anybody wants to. Um, but I think

1973
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:01,760
that was important. I said that's the

1974
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,440
right move because we have to I don't

1975
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:04,239
think it would have been fair to

1976
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:05,679
employees, but unfortunately that comes

1977
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:06,800
with a cost. Great.

1978
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,159
>> We're dealing with that right now, which

1979
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:10,320
is having to solve this ambiguity and

1980
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,960
the Yeah. paying the price.

1981
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,280
>> Can I ask a question related to Barbs?

1982
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,880
So to me the surprise was that again we

1983
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,920
get the September surprise of we got our

1984
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,480
final May and June numbers and our

1985
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,400
health insurance comes back millions of

1986
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,239
dollars higher from those two months. Um

1987
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,320
and that I think has happened the three

1988
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:33,679
years that I've been on the board in

1989
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:35,199
September.

1990
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:38,159
What re and I think partially what you

1991
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:40,080
guys are saying is that that happened

1992
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,480
this year because they were not using

1993
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,800
the best actuarial data. They're going

1994
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,679
backwards looking at the risk from the

1995
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:50,159
past three years in actuals.

1996
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:52,080
What reassurances do we have this year

1997
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,400
that the 31.5 million, if that's what we

1998
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,440
go to, is going to be enough because it

1999
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,000
feels like it never is enough.

2000
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:00,800
>> Fair question.

2001
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,000
>> I'm happy to answer that.

2002
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:02,800
>> Yeah.

2003
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,040
>> Um, and thank you. I appreciate the

2004
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,640
opportunity.

2005
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,800
uh when you look at the build that goes

2006
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,280
into a budget projection forward, you

2007
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,239
have to anticipate some of that need for

2008
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:16,640
a reserve balance.

2009
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,320
From our perspective, that's the biggest

2010
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,280
difference. There wasn't an expectation

2011
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,080
of an adequate reserve balance. uh there

2012
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,880
wasn't a uh an opportunity to anticipate

2013
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,080
a worse thanex expected year and you had

2014
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,480
one in the last uh the prior plan year

2015
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,520
and in healthcare unfortunately things

2016
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,520
roll downhill because of the lag in

2017
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,840
payment and the lag in how things are

2018
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,480
processed moving forward and to build up

2019
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,280
to this budget we started out with a

2020
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,960
projection based off of the actual

2021
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,360
claims risk in the population That was

2022
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,440
the baseline number. I believe the

2023
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,840
number on average was or averaging it

2024
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,960
out was about 21 million. We then

2025
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,679
assumed that there's a certain portion

2026
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:05,679
of claims that have already been

2027
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,360
incurred that we haven't yet seen. We

2028
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,199
took a very conservative approach on

2029
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:11,920
that number and then we applied uh

2030
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,440
several very sound actuarial practices

2031
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,280
to ensure that we were giving enough

2032
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,560
variance to get to that 31.5.

2033
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,159
Um while you know it's it's a bit like

2034
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,760
predicting the weather. You can

2035
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,280
certainly get it wrong. You probably are

2036
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,840
never going to get it exactly right. We

2037
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,679
feel uh pretty confident in the number

2038
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,520
that was presented that there is enough

2039
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,400
reserve sitting in there compared to

2040
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,920
just looking at what was paid in the

2041
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,520
last 3 years and averaging it and

2042
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:40,639
expecting that that's what's going to

2043
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:42,080
happen moving forward.

2044
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,639
>> I appreciate that. And is it also is it

2045
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,239
fair for us to say whether or not you

2046
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,400
can say it that that same type of

2047
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,080
assessment and that sign same kind of

2048
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,960
actuarial certainty or or as certainty

2049
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,360
as you can get has not necessarily been

2050
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,600
there in previous years

2051
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,520
in the analysis when you are looking

2052
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,440
back at it then does not seem to have

2053
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,520
been the same practice. I think it I

2054
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,679
think it's very fair to say that there

2055
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:10,560
needs to be a level of detail um that is

2056
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,480
uh standard in the industry that needs

2057
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,719
to be used and that that level of detail

2058
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:16,239
was not

2059
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:17,679
>> what was used.

2060
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:18,480
>> Thank you.

2061
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,320
>> Probably one thing we we wanted to make

2062
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,320
sure we didn't do was have that reserve

2063
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,440
too big

2064
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:26,880
>> because the last thing we want is to

2065
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,639
raise people's premium and then at the

2066
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:30,639
end of the year there's $2 million

2067
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:31,520
sitting there.

2068
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,280
>> Sure. So, it was a balance of like where

2069
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,120
do we draw that line of being

2070
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,440
comfortable but not ending up with a

2071
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,159
reserve where people question you raised

2072
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,199
our premiums to 12%.

2073
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:46,800
But now you're sitting with a fund

2074
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,679
balance of $2 million in there. So, I I

2075
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:53,360
feel good about the work we've done

2076
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,639
together. Like Drew said, can I am I

2077
01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,000
ever going to guarantee that?

2078
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,520
>> No. No, that's not ask.

2079
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,760
>> But looking at how we've done it, how

2080
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,280
we've budgeted, how it's been

2081
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,679
forecasted. So that's another piece to

2082
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:07,520
this puzzle that we haven't gotten into

2083
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,800
is even though you know that 28.5 was

2084
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,280
pulled, if you look back to what was

2085
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,360
presented in the budget, it was only $26

2086
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:16,880
million.

2087
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,199
So that's that's really a 5 million

2088
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:22,639
almost $6 million swing in when you get

2089
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:25,360
to the end of the year figuring out

2090
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,239
those dollars.

2091
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,400
Um, thank you. I should have asked this

2092
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,440
before too, but what is the costsaving

2093
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:36,000
differences between and maybe you know

2094
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,760
this, maybe you don't, 12%, 10%, and 8%.

2095
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:44,080
Like how much do we like if if we vote

2096
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,800
and we voted on the 12%. How much would

2097
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,600
that save us in cost? What is that on

2098
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,199
the slide back there? How much would we

2099
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:52,719
save on the 10%.

2100
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:53,840
>> Oh, right there.

2101
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,000
>> Okay. So on the bottom, so if we went to

2102
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:56,880
12,

2103
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,199
>> it's 2.6 million, which cut in half

2104
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,960
based on how the the plan years are in

2105
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,000
the middle.

2106
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,040
>> If we're at 10, it's 1.9 and cut that in

2107
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:07,840
half.

2108
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,639
>> So it's a $700,000 difference between 10

2109
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:14,239
and 12 in cost savings annually.

2110
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:14,800
>> Okay.

2111
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,159
>> So I think that's what the board will

2112
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:19,760
have to decide if if you go to 10 or 12.

2113
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,480
From a riskmanagement standpoint, are we

2114
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,080
comfortable

2115
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,239
reducing that number and living closer

2116
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,000
to the edge if something were to

2117
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,600
transpire throughout the year with our

2118
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,040
current fund balance?

2119
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,679
>> Okay. From the outside looking in too, I

2120
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:38,639
would say um while it's painful to go

2121
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:41,440
with the higher value, there's less

2122
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:42,880
likelihood that you're going to have to

2123
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,639
come back again in the subsequent year

2124
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:49,440
and raise that contribution percentage.

2125
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,520
sitting at 12, you're likely to sustain

2126
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,360
that over multiple years as opposed to

2127
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:54,960
going to 10 and having to come back

2128
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,400
potentially again.

2129
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,000
>> So just doing basic and this probably

2130
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,639
isn't right, but would 8% then be 1.2

2131
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:05,520
>> or I mean

2132
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,120
>> 8% I believe was one no it was 970 on

2133
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,280
the twoear two plan I think it was

2134
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:12,880
970,000.

2135
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,920
>> Okay. So between being at 8% and 12%

2136
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,840
that's a 1 was it $ 1.5 million

2137
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,360
different.

2138
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:22,880
>> Okay.

2139
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,440
All right.

2140
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,600
>> I guess so kind of going off something

2141
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,320
Barb said something we talked at during

2142
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,520
the finance committee is how this feels

2143
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,840
really rushed and we have October 14th

2144
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,760
is our next board meeting. Obviously

2145
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,880
there's going to be a lot of emails

2146
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,560
pouring in. We're going to hear from

2147
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,960
employees and and whatnot. What would

2148
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,719
the repercussions be of moving this to

2149
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:49,760
the 28th second board meeting? Having a

2150
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,320
chance for employees to come speak, help

2151
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,719
us get a better idea of how they feel.

2152
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:56,000
Obviously, they're not going to want an

2153
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,760
increase, but what would they be willing

2154
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,800
to work with? What would be something?

2155
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,560
>> So, the the open enrollment period

2156
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,120
starts November 1. So, that would give

2157
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,320
us time to prep materials, plan, prepare

2158
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:13,760
for the open enrollment period. Other

2159
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,679
questions, comments?

2160
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:22,719
Go ahead, Tim. I think I asked the question of you guys

2161
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:25,360
when at the facilities and finance

2162
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,560
committee meeting in six on the 10th and

2163
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,400
then we had a finance committee and I

2164
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:36,310
think Jacob brought up the prospect of

2165
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,800
basing the premium on on the salary and

2166
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,080
I think I think at the time I think

2167
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,760
Brian responded back on

2168
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,239
Monday that maybe there's a prospect of

2169
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,760
a T system. [clears throat]

2170
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,239
>> So, I think you guys committed to doing

2171
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,520
some work on it. Can you say what your

2172
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,000
thoughts are on that and how quickly

2173
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,320
something like that could be?

2174
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,120
>> Yeah, so uh we did do the research right

2175
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,920
after that meeting. um just to ensure

2176
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,679
that we didn't put the district in a

2177
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:11,199
position of um um I of course my words

2178
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:13,040
elude me right now but we wanted to make

2179
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,480
sure that it was the right move for you

2180
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:16,480
and that it wouldn't have any blowback

2181
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,560
um on the negative side instead of just

2182
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,320
being all positive. So you can do that.

2183
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,080
Um we can base the increases on the

2184
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,719
employees um income or wage salary

2185
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:33,520
but we have to class we would have to

2186
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,239
class it as such. And those classes that

2187
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:40,159
we create in order to adjust the premium

2188
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,199
have to be classes that you're using in

2189
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,440
the district already. We can't create

2190
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:48,480
classes specifically for health care

2191
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,639
premiums to change the contribution

2192
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:53,040
strategy with healthcare premiums. So,

2193
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,960
what we would need to do is to identify

2194
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,360
within the district what different ways

2195
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,080
you're looking at your employees and how

2196
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,000
you're using those different classing

2197
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,600
systems um to try to base something that

2198
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,400
would be fair across the board within

2199
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,120
those classes. Um so, we did have

2200
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,679
conversations about this. Um there are

2201
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,679
some some slides and some details that

2202
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:18,320
we put together. We didn't feel that I

2203
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,560
guess it was a lot of detail for

2204
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,360
tonight.

2205
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,880
>> So it can be done

2206
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,360
>> yes

2207
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,679
>> to the tiered system. So whether it's

2208
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:27,920
41we clerical

2209
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,480
um administration, teachers, pair

2210
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,000
professionals, you can break them down

2211
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,840
into those tiers. You can't do it

2212
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,760
specific to salary. Um looking at how we

2213
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,320
would do that in comparison with all of

2214
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,760
the groups we have and the salary ranges

2215
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,880
we have with the time frame we have

2216
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,600
taking that to the committee to

2217
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,280
determine okay if we have a pair of

2218
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,880
professional who makes let's say $25 an

2219
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,239
hour they may qualify for a lesser

2220
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:00,719
percentage but what about the custodian

2221
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:03,360
who works a full school school year but

2222
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,199
makes less

2223
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:06,880
So there's all of those different

2224
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,080
categories where you then create

2225
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,400
different levels of potential animosity

2226
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,080
or or how are you going to do that

2227
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,719
across your system when we have a number

2228
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,679
of different tiers or or pay categories.

2229
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:23,040
Um again the time frame is is not

2230
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,679
favorable for any of us. But that is

2231
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:27,360
something this committee as we go

2232
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,400
forward we would task with going all

2233
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,719
right all of our union groups how does

2234
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:35,520
this look? So if we did it for pair of

2235
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,000
professionals what about the custodian

2236
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,639
what about the part-time nurse like

2237
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:42,800
where do all of our categories fit so

2238
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:46,320
it's fair across the board? We don't

2239
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,159
have those answers currently. There are [clears throat] some school

2240
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,400
districts who do this um that we could

2241
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,400
reach out to to to find out how they do

2242
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,639
it and how they categorize and where the

2243
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:58,800
pain points are.

2244
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,159
I think that would be something we would

2245
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:02,080
task our committee with moving forward

2246
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:07,350
to look at to do.

2247
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,280
» Thank you for that. I got one other

2248
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,840
question and I'm not quite sure if this

2249
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,920
is an emergent thing or if there's some

2250
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,080
other provider that I don't fully

2251
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:20,080
understand yet. Uh

2252
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,560
I I think we got

2253
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,360
a presentation for the facilities and

2254
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,800
finance committee uh for the September

2255
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,600
10th meeting and we got that maybe a

2256
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,120
week ahead of time I think is what Dr.

2257
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,840
Herszog requires of us. So, I got this

2258
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,520
presentation pulled up in front of me.

2259
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:43,040
And what I'm struggling with is uh

2260
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,000
the same number that I'm seeing up here

2261
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,800
that we're seeing tonight. The actual

2262
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,320
amount of the net plan paid, I think we

2263
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,120
got reported as 30.5 million, right? And

2264
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:00,880
that we're proposing to go to 31.5 to

2265
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:04,480
cover an anticipated increase.

2266
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:08,080
So what I'm struggling with is and and I

2267
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,199
think Mr. Yorkie uh told me about this

2268
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:14,000
concept of and may maybe you guys talked

2269
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,120
about it too, the IBNR, the incurred but

2270
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,520
not reported uh because we as a board

2271
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,560
uh heard I think it was last Thursday or

2272
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,080
Friday that there was roughly $3.3

2273
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,320
million worth of expenses that were

2274
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,800
attributable to I believe it was May to

2275
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,910
June

2276
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,600
uh that we didn't know about and we were

2277
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,840
told that we didn't know about it until

2278
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,760
effectively

2279
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,840
last Thursday or Friday when we got this

2280
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,719
email. So, what I'm struggling with is

2281
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:55,040
if prior to us hearing that we knew that

2282
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,199
the net plan paid was 30.5 million, but

2283
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:00,800
then afterwards we found out there was

2284
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,239
an additional $3 million or $3.3 million

2285
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,639
of expenses.

2286
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:09,120
Why isn't it increasing now? And why

2287
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,199
isn't the number

2288
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:14,480
that were being recommended

2289
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:16,880
increasing a fair amount more? Does that

2290
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,880
make sense what I'm asking that?

2291
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,920
>> Yeah, there's this is how this goes back

2292
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,880
to the comment on how you calculate or

2293
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,120
how you count a claim within a period of

2294
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,760
time. Do you count it off the the date

2295
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,560
of service when it was incurred or do

2296
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,239
you count it off the date that it was

2297
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:38,000
paid? The 30.5 number is attributing

2298
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,760
everything that was paid regardless of

2299
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,920
the date of service. So, we're not

2300
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,400
paying attention to the date of service.

2301
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,840
The IBNR calculation is going off of the

2302
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,000
date of incurred and telling you that

2303
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,280
there's going to be claims that are

2304
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,080
coming in and get paid during the fiscal

2305
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,639
year that were incurred prior to. You

2306
01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:59,760
would have to zero out

2307
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,000
on that calculation, that 30.5. If

2308
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,440
you're looking at it and you're saying

2309
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:04,639
we only want to look at what was

2310
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,760
incurred in fiscal year 2526

2311
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,480
and there are claims that ran out past

2312
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:11,600
that's the number that you're

2313
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,159
referencing. You would have to also zero

2314
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:17,840
out the the claims that ran in that were

2315
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:22,239
paid after July of 20 uh 2025 that were

2316
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:25,920
incurred leading up to that date.

2317
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,719
Does that make does that make sense?

2318
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:31,120
reasonably. I think I think what I'll

2319
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,040
suggest is I would like to take you two

2320
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,199
up on your offer to

2321
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:37,920
>> meet with you and go through the details

2322
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,280
of the sound actuarial

2323
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,840
>> calculations that would be great if we

2324
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,280
could do that before we actually have to

2325
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,880
vote on this. I would love that. So,

2326
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,719
thank you. I appreciate it.

2327
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:49,280
>> Of course.

2328
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,080
>> Any other questions or comments?

2329
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,320
If I could just say to to Tim's like

2330
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,159
that's where that's the state we're in

2331
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,960
right now is daily conversations about

2332
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,760
our plan. Previously we had one

2333
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,000
gatekeeper of our health insurance plan

2334
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,840
and that individual managed the plan,

2335
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,480
budgeted the plan, reported the plan,

2336
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:10,880
took care of the plan. That's not the

2337
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,440
case. So, our team here at Central, our

2338
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,560
business, we have HR, business, and my

2339
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,960
office and our payroll and benefits

2340
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,280
person managing this plan, learning

2341
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,840
about it, diving into it, having these

2342
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,719
weekly, sometimes multiple times a day

2343
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:28,800
meetings to figure it out. I'm certainly

2344
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,199
not an expert in it. Nobody in our team

2345
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,560
is, so figuring out how we got here

2346
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,199
isn't the easiest piece right now. So,

2347
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:38,880
we've been very transparent with our

2348
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,199
frustration. And we're also sick of

2349
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,199
coming to the board with surprises. You

2350
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:46,159
know, the IBNR last Thursday, we

2351
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:47,760
reported that to Brian Thursday

2352
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,560
afternoon, 25 minutes after we figured

2353
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,280
it out through a payroll process. Um,

2354
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,440
and again, I I apologize for those pain

2355
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:57,360
points. I wish I knew the system in and

2356
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,679
out better. I wish I had the historical

2357
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:01,760
pieces to why things were done the way

2358
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,760
they were. We don't have any of those

2359
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,400
resources available to us other than the

2360
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,600
emergency. So, so we are committed to to

2361
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,280
fixing this and getting it right. And I

2362
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,280
apologize we haven't had those resources

2363
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,159
to be able to thoroughly explain to you

2364
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,719
why certain things are the way they are.

2365
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:20,400
Just not able to do that with some of

2366
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,760
these pieces. So, I do think Dr. S

2367
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,840
meeting with a virgin and and anybody

2368
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,080
else who's in that and regular meetings

2369
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,480
with the committee we put together and

2370
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,120
our finance committee is a good thing.

2371
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,800
That way, we're all on the same page and

2372
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,880
there's not and there's not surprises.

2373
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:38,880
And if they are, we understand how they

2374
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,920
got there. So, I appreciate the

2375
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:43,679
questions and and be honest with you

2376
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:46,719
with how we're all feeling about this.

2377
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,080
>> Can I ask one more quick question?

2378
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:48,880
>> Yes, please.

2379
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,280
>> The the IBNR

2380
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,320
the delay of 2 and 1/2 months. Are you

2381
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,360
guys responsible for that or are there

2382
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,440
other people that delay? I have no idea

2383
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:00,880
if you guys have anything to do with

2384
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,080
that or if you're just the one who's

2385
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,159
putting the overall thing together. And

2386
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:06,880
I appreciate that.

2387
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,199
is not necessarily an unreasonable

2388
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:12,080
time frame. At the same time, I'm going

2389
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,679
I think this is kind of the angst that

2390
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:15,199
we have. We've been getting this

2391
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,360
September surprise and we're going,

2392
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,320
>> can we shorten that so we know earlier?

2393
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,040
>> Yeah, there's a there's a length of time

2394
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,800
that legally a provider has to submit a

2395
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,560
claim in the first place to ensure that

2396
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:29,760
it's actually going to run through

2397
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,199
insurance and could be covered by a

2398
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:33,199
health plan expense. So, they have a

2399
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:35,760
window of time, actually up to 12 months

2400
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,679
to do that, I believe, is how long they

2401
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:39,920
have. Um, most of them, of course, don't

2402
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,840
do that because they want to get paid.

2403
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,080
But there is a reality to how long it

2404
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,480
takes for the notes from a visit to get

2405
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:51,119
loaded into a health care system to get

2406
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,920
all of the codes applied to it, the CPT

2407
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,840
codes and ICD9 codes and all the things

2408
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,920
that determine how much they're actually

2409
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,920
going to bill for that. That information

2410
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:02,239
all needs to go to the network then that

2411
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,320
you have associated with your plan that

2412
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,239
reprices it based on the discounts that

2413
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:08,800
they've negotiated. That then needs to

2414
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,280
go back to the TPA who then has to make

2415
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,960
sure that all of those claims should be

2416
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,719
covered by the health plan based on the

2417
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:17,360
summary plan description. And then that

2418
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,400
has to generate basically a check run to

2419
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,480
pay for that claim and then to send out

2420
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:24,800
an EOB or an estimation of benefits to

2421
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,560
your member. And that, believe it or

2422
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,719
not, is a simplistic version of kind of

2423
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:31,440
the day in the life of a claim. So, it's

2424
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:33,679
a very challenging process and I agree

2425
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:35,280
with you wholeheartedly and I think

2426
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,679
creates the angst in everyone of what's

2427
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:39,280
really sitting out there. Can we really

2428
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,320
see all of it? And so, um, that's kind

2429
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,320
of what what we're working in and what

2430
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,080
you're what you're working in when we

2431
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,719
talk about that delay. the the IBNR

2432
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:51,280
calculation is something that um as

2433
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,840
we've been working through this process

2434
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,719
uh we have produced a new reporting

2435
01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:58,400
package that is going to come back to

2436
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,639
the business office. We've done that

2437
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:02,880
just as an organization and so that new

2438
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,280
reporting package actually raises the

2439
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,480
IBNR calculation in on a monthly basis.

2440
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,800
So you will have a running IBNR moving

2441
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,199
forward.

2442
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:15,600
the value of what the IBNR calculation

2443
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,400
would be if you uh were to run it in

2444
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,239
early July of this year versus running

2445
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,280
it in September is the difference

2446
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,679
between wet cement and concrete because

2447
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:29,440
of where you are today when you look at

2448
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,480
an IBNR calculation as of July. Most of

2449
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:33,920
those claims have actually come in the

2450
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,159
door. So had you asked for the IBNR

2451
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:38,080
calculation in July, the number would

2452
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,600
have been about a million dollars more than what

2453
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:46,480
it actually ended up being. And that's not necessarily by error. That's

2454
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:49,760
just by virtue of the fact that an IBNR

2455
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,560
calculation is a guess incurred but not

2456
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,040
reported. You're always guessing at what

2457
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,679
that value is. And historically, it's on

2458
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:00,320
the basis of past claims. And when you

2459
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,600
have a higher year that that IBNR

2460
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,800
calculation just goes up to the request

2461
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,639
though and as we said we'd love to come

2462
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:12,719
in and have a conversation about that

2463
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:14,800
and we're happy to get as detailed as

2464
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,239
you would like around how that

2465
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:18,719
calculation is done and then moving

2466
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:20,239
forward what type of information you'd

2467
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:23,679
like to receive both at the business

2468
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:25,679
office and the board and finance

2469
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:27,679
committee levels

2470
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:30,639
>> for clarity the IB IBN is now in that

2471
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:31,520
31.

2472
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:32,000
>> Yes.

2473
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,520
>> Five

2474
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,600
>> where we're confident that it wasn't

2475
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,679
built in before to the budget.

2476
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,920
>> They will caution the emerging team that

2477
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,000
Dr. Hes is a talented statistician who

2478
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,600
will keep you on your toes in that

2479
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,159
meeting. So be prepared for that. But

2480
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:49,280
we're lucky to them.

2481
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:50,560
>> Look forward to it. Thank you.

2482
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,800
>> Anything else?

2483
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,199
>> All right. Well, thank you very much.

2484
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:56,800
>> Thank you. You guys have a good night.

2485
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,239
Good luck with the

2486
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,400
>> baby soon. Yeah.

2487
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:00,880
>> All right.

2488
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:01,920
>> I don't know that

2489
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:03,600
>> other reports.

2490
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:04,960
>> So we have on here facilities and

2491
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,960
finance committee. Is that do we have a

2492
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,560
legacy report from the facilities and

2493
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,159
finance committee? All right.

2494
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:11,760
>> Dr. Hersog.

2495
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:15,440
>> Thank you Dr. Hess. The what I guess

2496
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:16,880
would be the final meeting of the

2497
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,560
facilities and finance committee since

2498
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,119
that's now been divided into two groups

2499
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:24,239
uh was held on Thursday, September 10th

2500
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:26,400
with three major agenda items. The

2501
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,639
meeting began at 7:30 a.m. and went

2502
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:35,040
until 9:27 a.m. Uh, we had a report on

2503
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,119
ADA or Americans with Disability Act uh

2504
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:42,239
implications for installing in assist of

2505
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:44,320
listening technology to meet ADA

2506
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,679
mandates in the new high school

2507
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:48,320
auditorium. Our guest speaker, Juliet

2508
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,040
Stirkens, who is a nationally, actually

2509
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,960
internationally known um expert in this

2510
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,040
area, advocated for hearing loops as a

2511
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,000
proven consumer-friendly technology.

2512
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,679
Uh the committee is weighing options

2513
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,239
including installing a hearing loop or a

2514
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:06,239
cast or a combination with a focus on

2515
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,320
accessibility as well as budget

2516
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,239
constraints.

2517
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:13,679
Uh we also reviewed with uh Drew

2518
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:15,600
Leatherberry and Sher Freeman who were

2519
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,199
just here with uh Mr. Yorkie um an

2520
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:21,600
overview of the district's self-funded

2521
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,760
insurance plan. I believe just about

2522
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,119
everything that we heard tonight was

2523
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,280
covered in the meeting, so I won't uh go

2524
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,000
back over that.

2525
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,480
And finally, we uh talked about boundary

2526
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,920
lines uh with an update from Mr. Yorkie

2527
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,600
as uh the need to adjust elementary

2528
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,040
school boundary lines to address

2529
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,719
capacity issues and accommodate

2530
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:45,360
declining enrollment for the 2728 school

2531
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,600
year. The plan will aim to balance

2532
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,800
school utilization near 85% capacity

2533
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,880
without major disruption to families or

2534
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,600
increase transportation costs.

2535
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,119
Um and we will come back and address

2536
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:01,600
that uh need at a at a future meeting.

2537
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,040
Our next meeting of the now facilities

2538
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:09,520
committee will be on October 15th, 2026

2539
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,920
at uh I think that one is at 4:45 p.m.

2540
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,480
>> Yeah, 4:45 p.m. Thank you.

2541
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:18,960
>> Thank you, Barb. Next, we have policy,

2542
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,400
governance, and advocacy.

2543
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,920
>> We had a record short policy and

2544
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,760
governance meeting on Thursday,

2545
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,960
September 17th. Uh we only had one uh

2546
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,880
item that is coming to the board tonight

2547
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,960
for re uh for uh review and vote. Uh and

2548
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:34,719
that was to update the core beliefs,

2549
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:37,280
vision, mission, vision and mission

2550
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:38,960
statements. Uh and these would be

2551
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,920
reflecting of the current OAS strategic

2552
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,000
plan. Uh so they are indeed on the

2553
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,360
consent agenda for tonight. Uh we have a

2554
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,040
couple of future agenda items coming up

2555
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:50,560
that have been requested and we'll be

2556
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,080
working on including committee makeup

2557
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,360
and uh involving uh community members in

2558
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:59,199
the committees and then uh idea on

2559
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:00,880
looking into a data breach policy and

2560
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,760
notification of families or staff if

2561
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,239
there is a data breach. Uh our next

2562
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,719
meeting is scheduled for October 15th at

2563
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:10,159
7:30 a.m.

2564
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:13,760
>> Excellent. Any other reports to give?

2565
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,600
All right, we will move on to the agenda

2566
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,159
related forum. We have one speaker, Pam

2567
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,159
Rutder. I'll invite you up. Just

2568
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:21,440
remember to please clearly state your

2569
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,239
name and the city you reside in. Um,

2570
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:25,679
please limit your comments to three

2571
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:26,960
minutes. I'll let you know when you hit

2572
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,239
three minutes. And please remember that

2573
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:29,920
the use of specific names of district

2574
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,880
personnel may lead to legal liability in

2575
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,400
such instances. Please pursue the

2576
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,080
district's formal complaint process by

2577
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:37,920
contacting the superintendent's office

2578
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,280
directly.

2579
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,360
>> Hello, my name is Pam Rutder from the

2580
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,360
city of Oshkosh. I attended the

2581
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,800
September 9th meeting here and in those

2582
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,400
minutes I am recorded as one community

2583
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,880
member came to share their thoughts

2584
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,280
regarding the new middle school. Well, I

2585
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:00,159
shared a lot more than that. Um, and I

2586
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:02,880
really would appreciate if you would let

2587
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,600
the minutes reflect that I, Pam Rutder,

2588
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,880
am a concerned neighbor of the new

2589
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,560
middle school, which will be built at

2590
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,199
the Jacob Shapiro Elementary School

2591
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:16,880
site. Simply put, the new Super Mega

2592
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,600
Middle School does not fit on the

2593
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,040
proposed site. There is no room for

2594
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,719
outdoor athletic fields or track, which

2595
01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:30,320
Vel Phillips has both. A three-story

2596
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,280
building with windows will be a mere 30

2597
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:38,000
ft off the neighboring homes lot lines

2598
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,040
with no planned barrier.

2599
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,840
The neighbors, as I expressed September

2600
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,880
9th, have not been informed.

2601
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,440
We did not get the letter that was sent

2602
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:52,080
out July 21st

2603
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,880
and some of us were able to attend the

2604
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,679
April 8 or August 18thformational

2605
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:00,560
meeting and the district said that you

2606
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,760
would upset update your website

2607
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,520
accordingly. Still do not have the

2608
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,760
accurate picture of the proposal. It is

2609
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,199
a not it is a very misleading picture

2610
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:18,400
that is out on your website and I asked

2611
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,360
it to be updated as they said they would

2612
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:25,119
do and it still is not updated. So I'm

2613
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:28,560
back again. I am a concerned neighbor

2614
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,760
for so many reasons. I feel dismissed by

2615
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,560
this board and administration and am

2616
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,199
frustrated with this project that was

2617
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:40,239
not well thought out after the original

2618
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:43,360
South Park site fell through. There is

2619
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,880
no transparency for this project with

2620
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,400
our neighbors and you owe it to our

2621
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,199
neighbors to be able to know what's

2622
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:57,040
going on and plan accordingly. And the

2623
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,760
traffic is going to be a nightmare. We

2624
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,239
didn't even talk about that last time.

2625
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:06,400
The homes that are are your direct

2626
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,040
neighbors that is they are not being

2627
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:12,400
treated fairly. The intersection of 18th

2628
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:15,040
and NAP is not going to be safe for

2629
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,639
pedestrians,

2630
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:19,920
bicyclists, cars, that road will not

2631
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:24,000
handle this construction. moving from

2632
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:29,360
150 students to 650 in that lot does not

2633
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,719
work and uh it's very frustrating

2634
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:36,639
because nobody knows about it.

2635
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:41,679
>> Thank you for your time. Thank you.

2636
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:44,159
>> Um next we're moving on to non-aggenda

2637
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:46,159
related items. We have two speakers

2638
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:49,119
here. Um the first one is Dan I believe

2639
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:51,040
Kusman.

2640
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:52,480
Did I say that correctly?

2641
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:53,280
Chrisman.

2642
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:54,880
>> All right. Close.

2643
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,840
>> I'm going to ramble all over for you.

2644
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,040
>> Got three minutes to do it.

2645
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:00,000
>> Yep.

2646
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:01,760
>> All right. My name is Dan Kusman. Uh

2647
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,600
Ashkosh. I live uh I'm actually one of

2648
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,600
the affected property owners on Nap

2649
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,639
Street. Um, I got a letter stating that

2650
01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:13,360
now that the uh the small group meetings

2651
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,600
of the directly affected property owners

2652
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,600
were completed, they were ready to do

2653
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,239
the meeting we had on the 18th I believe

2654
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:23,440
at Ashkosh West. Um, problem is is the

2655
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:25,199
three property owners that are directly

2656
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:27,840
affected by the school on Nap Street,

2657
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,360
none of us were notified. So

2658
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,199
transparency is an issue with me. So I

2659
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:36,000
think the reason why is because our

2660
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,920
backyards are going to be the entrance

2661
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,159
and exit to the school. All the traffic

2662
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:42,159
is going to be driven in the new

2663
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:45,119
driveway. So me sitting in my backyard

2664
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,679
now I'm going to look at a parking lot

2665
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:49,679
right through the fence. The school

2666
01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:51,360
right after that with all the entrance

2667
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,840
and exits for all the children. So and

2668
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,280
again I spent a lot of time in my

2669
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,679
backyard. So, I I I've got a real issue

2670
01:48:57,679 --> 01:48:59,199
with that transparency. And I don't know

2671
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,239
if the board members knew that. Somehow

2672
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:04,880
the three most affected property owners

2673
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,840
on Nap Street were not notified of any

2674
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,239
of the early small group meetings. Not

2675
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:13,280
real happy. So, um, can anyone tell me

2676
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:14,800
what's going to happen to my property

2677
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,159
value now that I'm going to have a

2678
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,320
school, right? I have a school there

2679
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,760
now, but now I'm going to have a

2680
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,880
three-story school with a parking lot

2681
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,880
and the entrance and exit to the school

2682
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,880
for all the kids. No one's able to tell

2683
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,239
me what's going to happen to my property

2684
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,679
values. And then again, that the dual

2685
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,960
and dual exit driveway and the existing

2686
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,520
parking lot, the new proposed one less

2687
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,560
than 140 ft from 18th Street, which is

2688
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,159
going to be an issue. I think Pam kind

2689
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:44,639
of hit on that. So, um, so we've really

2690
01:49:44,639 --> 01:49:46,480
got some issues with with some of these.

2691
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:49,920
Again, the original concept drawings we

2692
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,000
saw, and I get it, things change. The

2693
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,119
original concept drawing showed that

2694
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:56,639
there was going to be a green space

2695
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:00,000
buffer zone between the fence line, our

2696
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,360
backyard, and the new proposed driveway.

2697
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,400
Now, the new proposal is we've got a

2698
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,440
parking lot right there. So, um I I

2699
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:11,119
think the plan wasn't thought out

2700
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:13,679
enough. And um not that I was thinking

2701
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:15,679
of selling, but why wasn't our

2702
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,719
properties, the three of them? Um why

2703
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:21,760
weren't we asked were we interested?

2704
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:23,119
Because I mean, you could surely do a

2705
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:25,520
better job with that school, the layout

2706
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,360
of that school if you had those

2707
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,679
properties. I get it, the South Park

2708
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:32,080
properties, everything else. But I think

2709
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,760
uh I think from a standpoint of

2710
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,960
transparency, we were left out.

2711
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,040
>> So that's what I've got. Awesome.

2712
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:40,719
>> Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank

2713
01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:42,719
you.

2714
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:45,840
>> Um, we have one more non-aggenda related

2715
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:55,270
forum. Uh, Britney Bongert.

2716
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:56,639
>> Hello.

2717
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:59,119
>> Uh, Bernie Bongert. I live in the town

2718
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:01,040
of Alma, but part of the school

2719
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:01,520
district.

2720
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:02,080
>> Yeah.

2721
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,520
>> Um, all right. So, I'm here to request

2722
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,480
that the board consider adjusting their

2723
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,239
approach related to the permissions for

2724
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:11,920
students to be photographed and then

2725
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:14,719
accessible online. Um, this is the

2726
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:16,320
permission that parents sign during

2727
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,360
enrollment period. Um, I strongly

2728
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:20,880
believe that that permission should not

2729
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,199
include the yearbook. There's stark

2730
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,760
differences between a yearbook and the

2731
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,960
internet. Um, and I've noticed that the

2732
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,639
social media platforms are widely

2733
01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:33,440
available to anyone who likes the page.

2734
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:37,040
Um, a yearbook has limited distribution.

2735
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,639
It's typically purchased by school

2736
01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:41,199
families. It's difficult to copy at

2737
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:44,000
scale. Social media has an unlimited

2738
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,040
audience. Um, it's easily shared beyond

2739
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:48,719
the original audience and even the

2740
01:51:48,719 --> 01:51:51,760
original intention. Um, choosing to not

2741
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,920
have my child's picture posted publicly

2742
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:55,440
online

2743
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:57,280
shouldn't prevent them from appearing in

2744
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,480
a record of their school experience.

2745
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:05,520
So, and related to that, I do have a

2746
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,440
concern because I personally have not

2747
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,679
opted out of this because the yearbook

2748
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:12,880
is more important for my children's

2749
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,599
record and having that available for

2750
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:18,400
their history. Um, I have not opted out

2751
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:20,400
of this, which leads me into an

2752
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,960
observation and a concern that I have on

2753
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,880
the current use of social media by the

2754
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:28,639
district. And I am curious to understand

2755
01:52:28,639 --> 01:52:30,960
if how it's being used is conflicting

2756
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,599
with an existing board policy. Um,

2757
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:36,880
policy 7544, the use of social media,

2758
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,280
states that each district approved

2759
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:42,159
social media account

2760
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:44,400
or site must contain a statement that

2761
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,800
specifies its purpose and limit those

2762
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,880
who access the social media account to

2763
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,800
use only for those purposes.

2764
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,599
How are you able to limit access when

2765
01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:58,080
anyone can like a page or follow it? and

2766
01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:59,920
how are you able to control what they go

2767
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:02,159
to that site for and what they use that

2768
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:06,880
information for? So, I just am curious

2769
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:09,040
if over the course of time this policy

2770
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,440
and this can be evaluated perhaps by the

2771
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:15,760
policy committee um and just the use and

2772
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,400
public public information that's out

2773
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,480
there pertaining to our children.

2774
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:23,119
Awesome.

2775
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:30,070
>> Thank you.

2776
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,159
All right. Uh we now move on to the

2777
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:34,800
consent agenda. Uh for the consent

2778
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,320
agenda, the board has been furnished

2779
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,000
with background material on each item or

2780
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,920
is discussed at a previous meeting.

2781
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:41,520
These will be acted upon with one vote

2782
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:42,800
without discussion. And if a board

2783
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,400
member would like to discuss any item,

2784
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:45,599
it will be pulled out of the consent

2785
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:47,760
agenda and be voted on separately. No

2786
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,280
board vote is needed at this point to

2787
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,280
move resolutions from consent agenda to

2788
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,030
individually considered.

2789
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:56,320
So move

2790
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:57,520
>> Barb.

2791
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,040
>> Does anyone want to remove it? Well, I

2792
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:00,320
guess we need the motion first. Yeah.

2793
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,080
Sorry.

2794
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,669
>> I'll second it.

2795
01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:08,000
» Any discussion or request for rem? No

2796
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,520
discussion, but request for removals.

2797
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:12,080
>> No.

2798
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,280
>> All right. Please call the RO.

2799
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:14,320
>> Wolf.

2800
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:14,719
>> I.

2801
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:15,280
>> Right.

2802
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:15,920
>> I.

2803
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:16,400
>> Ward.

2804
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:18,000
>> I.

2805
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:18,560
>> Hess.

2806
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:18,960
>> I.

2807
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:19,599
>> Smutley.

2808
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:20,080
>> I.

2809
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,000
>> Resolution carries.

2810
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,239
Sorry for my clumsiness on that one. Uh,

2811
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:25,760
next we have the individually considered

2812
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,920
resolutions. Um, approval of preliminary

2813
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:31,760
budget for 2026 20127.

2814
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,080
Can I get a motion?

2815
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,159
>> So move. Molly

2816
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:38,400
second.

2817
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:39,280
>> Second. Barb.

2818
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:43,119
>> Barb. It looks like we have guests.

2819
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:43,760
Welcome.

2820
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,520
>> Anticipating questions.

2821
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,360
>> All right. Well, I'll open it up

2822
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:53,430
discussion.

2823
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,119
I can I'll just ask my broad one to be

2824
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:57,199
clear. This is a preliminary budget,

2825
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,440
very preliminary in an effort to allow

2826
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:00,960
us to also facilitate the next

2827
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,360
discussion about short-term borrowing.

2828
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,320
But this is your general outline.

2829
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:06,719
>> Okay,

2830
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:08,320
>> that is correct. Yes.

2831
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,400
>> Yes. And in and the final budget then

2832
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,040
will come October 28th. So this this is

2833
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:17,199
the prelude to that if you

2834
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:18,639
>> and I guess maybe the most obvious

2835
01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:20,719
question um since we've been operating

2836
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:22,320
under a structural deficit.

2837
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:23,520
>> Yeah.

2838
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:24,960
>> Where are we at with this one?

2839
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:26,960
>> Sure. So as of right now for the

2840
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,199
preliminary budget I do have it balanced

2841
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,280
and I utilize the if then statement that

2842
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,520
we worked with with our consultants. Um

2843
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:35,599
and I have been in contact regularly

2844
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:37,679
with both Todds throughout the entire

2845
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:39,679
process just to get their opinion

2846
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:42,320
regularly. Um, so as of right now, I do

2847
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,639
have a balanced budget at $146.2

2848
01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:47,760
million. Um, I'm anticipating

2849
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,520
about $3 million more in our um,

2850
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:53,599
equalization aid, taking it to about

2851
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:56,719
$86.5 million. That again, that is a

2852
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,800
preliminary number that will go based on

2853
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,800
the third Friday, which we do not have

2854
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,520
that number for yet. Um, I utilized

2855
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,199
8,750

2856
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:08,400
as our amount for the current year. um

2857
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,760
with an average of 9,56 students. Um

2858
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,320
again, October 15th will give me that

2859
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,880
actual value for that equalization aid.

2860
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,599
Um I'm estimating the special education

2861
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:22,400
reimbursement to be about 40% which was

2862
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,199
more equivalent with what we got 2526.

2863
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:27,440
Um I'm not anticipating any changes as

2864
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:30,239
of right now because there is no talk of

2865
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:32,000
a change.

2866
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,679
Um, I did have to take into

2867
01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:37,599
consideration the $31.5 million um,

2868
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:40,639
budget for healthcare. Um, so that is

2869
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:43,840
reflected in these numbers. Um, another

2870
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,080
move I had to make was the school

2871
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,520
resource officers of 305,000 went from

2872
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:54,080
fund 10 to fund 80. Um

2873
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,400
we are going we would like to utilize

2874
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,320
the transfer of service which will help

2875
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,440
with our um revenue limit by about

2876
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,840
600,000. We do anticipate just a little

2877
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,159
bit more than that but I'm going to be

2878
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:10,320
conservative and use 600 right now. Um,

2879
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,360
we are going to use $1.5 million from

2880
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:16,320
fund 46 for facility improvements,

2881
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:17,679
leaving that fund balance at

2882
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:20,560
approximately $1.9 million at the end of

2883
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:24,960
the 2627 fiscal year. Um, and lastly,

2884
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,520
um, the OPED. Again, this does not

2885
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,840
change anybody's retirement benefits.

2886
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,520
It's strictly just utilizing some of

2887
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,360
that fund balance that we already have

2888
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,239
sitting there of roughly $4 million.

2889
01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:40,560
taking that fund balance to um about 9.8

2890
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,520
million after this year. That cannot be

2891
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,040
done

2892
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,440
more. So, we will have to rebuild that

2893
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,960
starting the following year. Um so, in

2894
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,320
general, we are just looking for an

2895
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:54,239
approval of a preliminary budget so that

2896
01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:55,360
way we can move forward with some

2897
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,119
short-term borrowings in order to

2898
01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:58,239
increase our cash flow.

2899
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:00,000
>> Okay. So, we can anticipate this may

2900
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,480
change, but I'd also want to emphasize

2901
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,480
the finance committee on Monday, if I'm

2902
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,880
accurately reflecting what you told us.

2903
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,719
This is based on much more conservative

2904
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:10,320
and realistic assumptions than were used

2905
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,560
in the past and it's not based on any

2906
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,280
type of anticipated usage of our fund

2907
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:18,960
balance that is now at 7% or

2908
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,080
>> 5%. Right.

2909
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,280
>> The concern was expressed tonight.

2910
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:22,159
>> That is correct. Yes.

2911
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:24,320
>> Okay. Just to to piggyback off that,

2912
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,679
many of the things that were not

2913
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:28,000
included in previous budgets,

2914
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:31,199
supplementary supplementary pays,

2915
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:34,639
supervision duties, overloads

2916
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:36,480
have not historically been included in

2917
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,719
the budget. We've included everything

2918
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:42,159
that we anticipate being there. Um,

2919
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:45,360
obviously things like diesel fuel

2920
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:48,080
fluctuates, goes up and down, that will

2921
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,960
impact transportation costs. that hasn't

2922
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,199
been adjusted. But but Cindy, between

2923
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,280
now and the next meeting, we'll look at

2924
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,440
all of those pieces. But again, this is

2925
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:58,960
a preliminary budget to get us the

2926
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,199
short-term.

2927
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:04,880
>> Any other questions or comments?

2928
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:07,679
>> As I listen to you, then

2929
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:09,360
a couple of words come to mind. It

2930
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:13,360
sounds like this is a an a transparent,

2931
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,599
open, and realistic budget.

2932
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,719
>> Absolutely. Yes.

2933
01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:21,199
>> Thank you. within this budget, very

2934
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,599
preliminary budget. What do you what's

2935
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:26,239
the number that we want to reput back

2936
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,880
into the fund balance to build that back

2937
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:31,599
up again? Have we talked about that at

2938
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:34,560
all? Are we planning on that?

2939
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,440
So, that's that's a good question.

2940
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:38,960
Originally,

2941
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,040
we did not think we would be able to put

2942
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:44,320
back into fund balance based on what's

2943
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:45,760
going to transpire over the next couple

2944
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,480
of years. So, I believe in the in the

2945
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:51,040
budget forecast, we do have, correct me

2946
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,360
if I'm wrong, but there is a percentage

2947
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,119
going back into fund balance. It's a

2948
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:58,639
very small percentage. Um, and

2949
01:59:58,639 --> 01:59:59,840
I don't want to say we're going to

2950
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,360
contribute $2 million or 1.5 knowing

2951
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,080
that we still have a lot of unknowns in

2952
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:08,239
our budget that we're figuring out. Um,

2953
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:11,599
we've used assumptions based on

2954
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,560
last year's data and somebody else

2955
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,560
putting some of those assumptions in as

2956
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,880
we went through the process.

2957
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,920
Mr. Rettler does not like the full scope

2958
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,679
of the $146 million. Neither one of us

2959
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:28,719
can give you the fine details of all of

2960
02:00:28,719 --> 02:00:31,280
those pieces yet. as we work through

2961
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,840
that, we're confident that that what we

2962
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,400
have there, our plan is to eventually be

2963
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:37,840
able to contribute back to that fund

2964
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,080
balance. But I would say for next year,

2965
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,880
making sure we don't dip into it is

2966
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,679
priority number one for us.

2967
02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:47,119
>> Okay. Thank you.

2968
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:49,520
>> And so

2969
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:52,719
I I'm sorry. You said plausibly we're

2970
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:55,040
going to put money into the fund

2971
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:57,599
balance. I mean, I'm cuz I'm looking at

2972
02:00:57,599 --> 02:00:59,360
this and it looks like we're going down

2973
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:00,239
by two cents.

2974
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:00,639
>> Yeah,

2975
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:02,400
>> I say that's breaking even, but

2976
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,719
>> yeah, I and I that's why I asked Cindy,

2977
02:01:04,719 --> 02:01:06,159
we would have to go back and look at the

2978
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:08,400
forecast because I don't recall if that

2979
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:10,800
was okay. So Cindy can certainly look at

2980
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,560
that uh and get that information to you

2981
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:15,760
because I don't know that for certain

2982
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:16,719
off the top of my head,

2983
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:24,719
>> but I I think we saw it in the healthc care

2984
02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:26,480
presentation.

2985
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:30,400
It shows up again here in

2986
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,920
this budget where we see that the fund

2987
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:37,199
balance at the end of 2425 was 17.244

2988
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:40,800
244 million and at the end of this last

2989
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:44,159
year we're down to 8,52,000.

2990
02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:45,280
Right.

2991
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:49,599
>> And that is a a reduction of 9 million.

2992
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:54,239
And just to be clear for our the

2993
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:56,880
community here, that 9 million means

2994
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:00,480
that we were overbudget this last year

2995
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:04,159
by that amount. Right. And I just want

2996
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:05,679
to make sure because I I don't think

2997
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,199
this will ever come up again if we don't

2998
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:09,280
talk about it here. But that's and so

2999
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:10,960
then

3000
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,639
because a month ago when we were

3001
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:16,320
considering our key performance

3002
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:20,880
indicators, we said we were at 5%.

3003
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,960
>> I'm sorry, we said we were at 7%. And

3004
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:26,480
now we think we're at 5.2 or 5.5,

3005
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,760
something like that. 5.5. Yeah. Okay.

3006
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,400
So that and that was part of the I think

3007
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,639
angx that Dr. Herszog was talking about

3008
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:36,560
earlier there that

3009
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,960
>> we're not thrilled with that. But but

3010
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:41,520
the

3011
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:43,840
we're in a position and admittedly this

3012
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:47,360
is you know

3013
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:50,560
I think last year we looked at a budget

3014
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:53,360
at this time frame. I think it was

3015
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,440
actually in August and I wasn't excited

3016
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,639
about approving a budget in August. I

3017
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:02,400
understand why we have to do this. Uh

3018
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,320
but I think what ended up happening was

3019
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:08,080
we didn't we needed to go back later and

3020
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,639
adjust things and we never did. In part

3021
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:12,800
that's why we wind up $9 million over

3022
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:16,159
budget. Uh

3023
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:19,360
I I will approve this because I know

3024
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:22,239
that we're approving it as a very

3025
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:24,560
preliminary. We got a lot of work to do

3026
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,239
to

3027
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:28,639
before the end of October before I'm

3028
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:30,400
going to be super comfortable saying

3029
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:31,760
yes, this is what I think is going to

3030
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:36,229
happen. But

3031
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:38,159
yeah, I don't I don't think we're going

3032
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:41,360
to improve the fund balance this year is

3033
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:42,960
my guess.

3034
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,199
>> Yeah.

3035
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:49,589
>> All right. Should I call the RO?

3036
02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:51,040
» Ray.

3037
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:52,000
>> Yes.

3038
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:56,070
>> Forward. I

3039
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,520
» I

3040
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,679
>> resolution.

3041
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:01,360
>> All right. Our next item is the approval

3042
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,840
of short-term borrowing line of credit.

3043
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:06,400
>> Sir, I'm I'm very sorry. I've never been

3044
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:07,920
to a board meeting before. I don't need

3045
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,400
to interrupt. I know how this works.

3046
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,119
>> Yeah, we I'm sorry. Like, yeah, we have

3047
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:15,280
to have the the public meeting. You have

3048
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,119
to sign up ahead of time to speak. On

3049
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:18,960
October 14th, there's going to be the

3050
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:23,270
listening session 5 o'clock.

3051
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:24,560
Nothing state that on your website

3052
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:25,840
either. Just so you know, your website

3053
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,000
should be edited to show that people

3054
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,760
>> like transparency is a real ongoing

3055
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:30,159
issue.

3056
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:32,960
>> That's why my kids are homeschooled.

3057
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,639
>> That's unfortunate.

3058
02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:35,840
>> I always hate when the public doesn't

3059
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:37,280
get a chance to speak, but

3060
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:39,199
>> we'll be back.

3061
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:42,320
>> Okay. Sorry about that, everybody. Um,

3062
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,000
approval of short-term borrowing line of

3063
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,000
credit. Can I get a motion?

3064
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:47,920
>> So, move Barb.

3065
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,360
>> Second.

3066
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:50,800
>> I'm sorry. Who was that?

3067
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:57,430
>> Wolf.

3068
02:04:57,440 --> 02:04:59,280
» All right. Discussion.

3069
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,760
>> And so, so I have what would be as

3070
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,320
interpreted as a overkill of information

3071
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:06,639
on short-term borrowing because I don't

3072
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:08,800
want to assume that people know the ins

3073
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,119
and outs. The the long and the short of

3074
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:14,719
it is we get payments in as a district.

3075
02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:17,760
Revenue comes in at really three main

3076
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,560
times a year. our expenditures, our

3077
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:23,599
bills come out weekly. So in order to be

3078
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:27,199
able to to pay our bills based on

3079
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:29,360
revenue coming in, expenditures going

3080
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:31,920
out, including payroll, healthc care

3081
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,960
costs, we have to short-term borrow.

3082
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,440
It's a common practice. I would say 90%

3083
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:39,760
of schools across the state short-term

3084
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:42,480
borrow. Uh to be able to manage the the

3085
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,719
funding, school funding is a is a messy

3086
02:05:44,719 --> 02:05:48,800
situation. So, our recommendation is $20

3087
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,400
million from Nicicolay Bank. You can see

3088
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:54,800
I did put together

3089
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:57,520
looking at our our cash flow how sharply

3090
02:05:57,520 --> 02:05:59,920
it swings throughout the year. When you

3091
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:03,280
look at February, we're going to borrow

3092
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:06,960
just about $16.5 million of that. And I

3093
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,119
think the question is why go to 20 then

3094
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:13,040
if your peak borrowing is about 16.4.

3095
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:15,040
If you have a bad healthc care month, if

3096
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:17,520
you get a bunch of claims that come in,

3097
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:19,599
something pops up, you want to have a

3098
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:21,840
little cushion there. And it doesn't

3099
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,800
cost us anymore to go to 20 million.

3100
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,719
From the Nicicolay side of things, we

3101
02:06:26,719 --> 02:06:28,960
are only charged entrance interest on

3102
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,280
the days we pull money out and borrow

3103
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:35,119
money. If we were to go to the TR, we

3104
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:37,280
pay interest on that daily. So that's

3105
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:39,360
why part of the recommendation to go to

3106
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,159
Nicicolay and I can get further in depth

3107
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:45,280
on that in a minute. Um but really that

3108
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:48,800
$20 million and doing the the data

3109
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:51,599
behind where our bills typically come,

3110
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:52,880
looking at payrolls, looking at

3111
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,400
healthcare, looking at when money's

3112
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,719
coming in, that's the number we would be

3113
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:58,239
comfortable with because I don't want to

3114
02:06:58,239 --> 02:07:00,480
repeat it last year when we have to come

3115
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:03,840
back to the board twice to borrow. We

3116
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,239
want to do it once, do it right, make

3117
02:07:06,239 --> 02:07:08,639
sure we're in a position to to move our

3118
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,480
district forward.

3119
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:13,360
The the question that I anticipate

3120
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,480
would be why go with Nickel A when it's

3121
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,520
more expensive than the the tax and

3122
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,840
revenue anticipation note. You know,

3123
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,639
we'd be paying approximately $35,000

3124
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:28,960
more to go with our local bank. And the

3125
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,159
main reason for that is risk mitigation.

3126
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:33,840
So because we already bank with

3127
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,639
Nicollay, they sweep all of our

3128
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:40,159
accounts. So with the TR, we would have

3129
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:43,119
to if we anticipated or knew we were

3130
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:45,520
going to be short, we would have to go

3131
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,239
through the process of requesting money

3132
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:52,000
from them. There's a lag in time when

3133
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,719
that happens. We then have to reconcile

3134
02:07:54,719 --> 02:07:57,760
all those reports. So from our business

3135
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:00,719
office, that's sometimes an hour a day,

3136
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:03,199
sometimes three hours a day. With

3137
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,199
Nicicolay, because we bank, they hold

3138
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:09,360
all of our accounts. The minute we go

3139
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,920
over, it automatically sweeps from that

3140
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,400
20 million. So there's no lag. We do

3141
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,719
nothing on our end. It automatically

3142
02:08:16,719 --> 02:08:19,520
reconciles. It eliminates risk of

3143
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,320
missing something or withdrawing,

3144
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:26,880
missing a payment for $35,000.

3145
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:29,119
I believe we will make that up from time

3146
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:31,760
saved in the business office from not

3147
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,639
missing any payments

3148
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:36,239
and talking again to our business

3149
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,079
department. Just the time spent

3150
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:40,079
reconciling those reports is going to

3151
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:42,159
save us when it comes time to the audit

3152
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:45,360
and being really fidelity in our

3153
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:47,520
business practices.

3154
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:49,679
So that would be the reason my my

3155
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:51,599
recommendation to even though it costs

3156
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:53,360
more is to go with our local business

3157
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:55,440
partner with Nicicolay Bank in this

3158
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:59,760
process. The the total amount so looking

3159
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:03,440
at that cost of 113,811

3160
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:05,679
that was budgeted we had budgeted for in

3161
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:08,560
the forecast $300,000 to pay for

3162
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,360
short-term borrowing. So we had

3163
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,440
anticipated short-term borrowing is

3164
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:15,360
costing us that chunk. uh we had

3165
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:19,440
budgeted more than what that cost is. So

3166
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:26,390
that is built into our budget that cost

3167
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:30,320
» questions or comments.

3168
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:31,599
>> Good report. Thank you.

3169
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:32,960
>> Yeah,

3170
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:34,159
>> good job.

3171
02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:38,869
>> I I I do have some concerns.

3172
02:09:38,869 --> 02:09:40,079
[clears throat]

3173
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:41,840
>> The

3174
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:45,440
sweeping. Can you talk about that a a

3175
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:46,719
little more? What does that mean?

3176
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:49,280
>> Yeah. So, so Nicicolay is our banking

3177
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:51,280
partner. So, they manage all of our

3178
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:54,159
accounts. So, any money that comes in,

3179
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:56,320
revenue, bills we pay, comes out of a

3180
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:59,760
Nicicolay bank account. So, if they hold

3181
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:03,040
our $20 million line of credit, they

3182
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:06,320
know if payroll comes out of, let's just

3183
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:09,440
say, account one and that goes to a

3184
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,239
negative balance, it automatically

3185
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:14,560
sweeps money in from that 20 million

3186
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:17,840
into account one to cover the balance.

3187
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,159
Then when money comes back into that

3188
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:23,440
account from taxes, state aid, it

3189
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:26,239
automatically sweeps it back to the 20

3190
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:29,119
million. So we don't pay interest on it.

3191
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:31,360
We then don't have to do any reconciling

3192
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,199
because we get those bank reports. As

3193
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:35,360
soon as that transaction happens, it's

3194
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:37,119
in our Nicaya accounts and we can see

3195
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:40,079
it. So that that's the sweep. It sweeps

3196
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:41,520
back and forth. When the bill comes in,

3197
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,520
it sweeps from one account. When we get

3198
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,599
money back in, it sweeps it back

3199
02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:49,669
automatically.

3200
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,079
the trans piece. We would have to

3201
02:10:52,079 --> 02:10:54,850
physically fill out the paperwork, go

3202
02:10:54,850 --> 02:10:56,320
[snorts] through the process of getting

3203
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,560
that those dollars in, getting them

3204
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:00,000
deposited in the bank, and going through

3205
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:01,840
the reconciliation process when it's

3206
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:04,800
done.

3207
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:09,679
>> And I think you explaining that to me, it

3208
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:11,440
finally has occurred to me what has

3209
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:14,239
happened that I'm not excited about. And

3210
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:17,199
I think it's that sweeping process.

3211
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:19,280
Uh

3212
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:22,960
so I mean here's

3213
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:24,480
this was something I wanted to talk

3214
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,639
about cuz I I don't like it when we do

3215
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:32,400
something that I think is technically

3216
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:35,599
not consistent with what the law allows

3217
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:39,520
us. Uh and so here's a bunch of stuff

3218
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:42,800
for people to look at. Uh here I'm take

3219
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:47,669
two of these and get them

3220
02:11:47,679 --> 02:11:49,199
while this is being passed out. Brian,

3221
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:50,320
do you want to speak to other districts

3222
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:51,599
who do this? I just want to make sure

3223
02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:53,599
there's legal precedent.

3224
02:11:53,599 --> 02:11:55,440
>> Yeah.

3225
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:56,239
>> Go ahead. I'm sorry.

3226
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:57,119
>> Well, I think that's important.

3227
02:11:57,119 --> 02:11:57,840
>> Go ahead. Yep.

3228
02:11:57,840 --> 02:11:59,440
>> Yeah.

3229
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:01,040
>> Actually, I would like Tim to go so I

3230
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:02,719
have a foundation of what he's talking

3231
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:03,119
about,

3232
02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:07,750
>> right? I mean, it it's not

3233
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:09,520
I don't think we've done anything

3234
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:13,760
intentionally horrible here, and I

3235
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,639
understand why we need to do this, and I

3236
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:19,760
support why we need to do it. I I want

3237
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:24,159
to make that clear. My concern is that

3238
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:26,880
we have these two this statute that

3239
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:32,079
tells us how we can borrow and we are

3240
02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:35,760
saying that we're doing it off of

3241
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:39,599
this 81

3242
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:43,920
uh after we pass tax the tax for

3243
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:47,360
operations for the current school year.

3244
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:50,400
So, here's the thing. Either way that we

3245
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:56,239
do it, we have to seek approval from the

3246
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:58,880
school board to borrow for that specific

3247
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:02,576
school year. And my concern is

3248
02:13:02,576 --> 02:13:03,360
[clears throat]

3249
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:08,239
that we have borrowed money this year

3250
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:11,440
without having received any approval.

3251
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:16,800
And that is if you go to page two,

3252
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:21,280
here's the report of what we did in

3253
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:22,800
August.

3254
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:25,840
And there are these five transactions on

3255
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:29,599
August 5th, 6th, 7th, 10th, and 12th

3256
02:13:29,599 --> 02:13:32,239
where we have pulled money. And I'm

3257
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:35,760
assuming it's the sweep thing happening.

3258
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,320
And technically

3259
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:41,599
by either of these two items in

3260
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:44,800
statutes, we can only approve for

3261
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:46,960
temporary borrowing for the current

3262
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:50,719
school year. And if I look at the

3263
02:13:50,719 --> 02:13:54,320
resolutions that we passed last year on

3264
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:55,920
the

3265
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,719
August 27th and this is on page three

3266
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:01,679
and November 5th, both of them said we

3267
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:03,119
were borrowing for the current school

3268
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:07,360
year. So my concern is

3269
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,480
we authorized borrowing for last year,

3270
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:14,320
but the sweeping ended up having us

3271
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:17,040
borrowing this year and we didn't

3272
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:20,159
authorize that. And that's a problem

3273
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:22,960
that we are

3274
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:26,079
taking money without having authorized

3275
02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:28,320
that. And so my my initial question was

3276
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:30,079
going to be who who's authorizing it?

3277
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,400
But I think it's the it's the sweep

3278
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:36,400
process. And so my concern to you is

3279
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:39,520
if we approved this, we have to make

3280
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:41,920
sure that there is something in place

3281
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:45,199
such that next fiscal year,

3282
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:48,239
July and August, this doesn't happen

3283
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:51,199
again because we can only approve

3284
02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:54,400
short-term borrowing for the present

3285
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:57,840
fiscal year and we did not approve it

3286
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,880
for this fiscal year. Is this just your

3287
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:02,639
interpretation of this law or did you

3288
02:15:02,639 --> 02:15:05,599
get some legal counsel from somewhere

3289
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:07,920
>> because you said something illegal?

3290
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:08,480
>> So you

3291
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:11,119
>> Well, right the these are the statutes

3292
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:13,119
that tell us the authority in which we

3293
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:13,760
can borrow

3294
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:16,400
>> or is it the lawyer's opinion?

3295
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:18,880
>> If you can't read this and read that you

3296
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,800
have authority to borrow for the current

3297
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,480
school year, it's my opinion.

3298
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:23,760
>> Hey, it's your opinion.

3299
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:24,320
>> But

3300
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:25,119
>> so if I can just

3301
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:26,800
>> Yeah. What's your What's your opinion?

3302
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:30,000
>> Yeah, we all have opinions. So, we have

3303
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,119
a statute

3304
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:31,679
>> Yeah.

3305
02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:34,400
>> that that loan is good until November 1

3306
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:36,079
of the following year.

3307
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:36,639
>> Okay.

3308
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:43,679
>> And we close out 25 26 bills up until

3309
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:46,960
weeks ago. So, as we're short-term

3310
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:49,520
borrowing those sweeps, and I'm not

3311
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,840
going to say for certain, Tim, but we've

3312
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:53,920
been paying bills, healthc care claims,

3313
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:57,440
and pieces from 25 26 that are likely

3314
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:01,119
causing us to still go into having to

3315
02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:03,280
have a sweep done. Now again, I can't

3316
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:04,960
say for certain, but I know that we have

3317
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:09,599
paid millions of dollars in 25 26 bills

3318
02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:12,719
that cause us to go into debt, and we're

3319
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:15,280
able to draw on that till November one.

3320
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:17,520
For the previous year, we have that

3321
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:20,000
loan. So, Will from Nicicolay Bank is

3322
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,000
happy to come in because we've done

3323
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,560
this. Other schools have have used the

3324
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,280
line of credit certainly. So, I think

3325
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:29,280
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think

3326
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:32,080
based on what I'm seeing from the data

3327
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:35,599
you pulled, those likely could be 25 26

3328
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:38,719
bills or claims that we're finding,

3329
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:40,559
catching up on healthcare, whatever it

3330
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:42,639
might be. And we do have the ability to

3331
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:44,719
draw on that until November 1 when that

3332
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:45,840
loan expires.

3333
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:48,160
>> Yeah. To be clear, in in the statute, it

3334
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,200
says in the plan language, no such loan

3335
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:52,639
may extend beyond November 1 of the

3336
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:53,439
following school year.

3337
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:53,840
>> Yeah.

3338
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,120
>> So, that's Well, you're right. keep

3339
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:56,240
reference November one.

3340
02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:58,399
>> This is why we

3341
02:16:58,399 --> 02:16:59,120
get this.

3342
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:02,639
>> Is that borrowing or is that that the

3343
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:05,840
time frame to pay back?

3344
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,599
>> And you brought it forward that we did

3345
02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:08,880
something illegal. So,

3346
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,120
>> well, I'm I'm suggesting that by this

3347
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:12,479
language, my impression [clears throat]

3348
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:16,800
is that we are taking money without

3349
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:18,880
having the authority to. And in large

3350
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:20,479
respect, I think the intent of the

3351
02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:23,840
statute is that

3352
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:27,359
we shouldn't be taking money, borrowing

3353
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:29,920
money without telling the community

3354
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:33,359
ahead of time. And

3355
02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:35,840
>> you did sign off on borrowing that money

3356
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,719
>> for the current school year

3357
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:43,439
>> and 25 26 good till November 1, which

3358
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:45,679
>> right, it takes time to pay it back till

3359
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:48,399
November 1st. though I I believe we are

3360
02:17:48,399 --> 02:17:50,399
doing things inappropriately

3361
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:54,960
by having a line of credit having the

3362
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:57,519
mechanism. I I understand the mechanism

3363
02:17:57,519 --> 02:18:00,639
can stay open till November 1st or if

3364
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:04,000
you borrow in August or what have you.

3365
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:05,840
It can stay open to what these things

3366
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:08,559
say. But what I disagree with is that we

3367
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:10,559
get to borrow against it.

3368
02:18:10,559 --> 02:18:11,280
>> Okay. Well, two

3369
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:12,160
>> cash the fiscal year.

3370
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:13,599
>> I mean this is a this is a question as

3371
02:18:13,599 --> 02:18:14,960
an answer. First I ask you, Brian, I

3372
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:16,160
mean, have you seen this before or is

3373
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:17,120
this your first time seeing this?

3374
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:17,679
>> First time.

3375
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:19,840
>> Okay. So, I understand why you can't

3376
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:22,240
give a definitive answer. Um, I guess

3377
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:24,399
second question, how many hours I mean,

3378
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:25,760
we go to legal counsel. If a board

3379
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:27,040
member is making an accusation the

3380
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:28,319
district's doing something illegal, I

3381
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:29,599
think we have to spend the money to go

3382
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:31,920
to legal counsel. Um, even though we're

3383
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,399
in our fascist situation we're into.

3384
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:35,599
Yeah. We can't be doing something

3385
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:36,000
illegal.

3386
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:37,679
>> No. And that's so I think that's the

3387
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:38,559
appropriate next step.

3388
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:39,840
>> That's what I would recommend is legal

3389
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:41,920
counsel. We can also have Will Depus

3390
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:43,920
from Nicicolay Bank come in to be able

3391
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:46,319
to speak to speak to it also to make

3392
02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:47,760
sure we have some expertise and we can

3393
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:48,399
bring that

3394
02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:48,880
>> okay

3395
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:50,479
>> back at the next meeting. I think the

3396
02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:52,880
concern is are we going to need a

3397
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:55,840
short-term borrowing mechanism between

3398
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:58,319
now and October 14th and I think the

3399
02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:02,479
answer is yes. So that's that's where

3400
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:03,920
we'd sit unless we'd want to have a

3401
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,080
special meeting

3402
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:07,760
prior to the next time that we meet

3403
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:10,000
short-term borrowing, which is

3404
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:11,679
>> if we don't, we will overdraft.

3405
02:19:11,679 --> 02:19:14,800
>> And I believe the if the concern is that

3406
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:19,280
we need to have a uh authorization this

3407
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,359
school year, tonight is the night to act

3408
02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:23,599
so that we are no longer in any

3409
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:26,479
perceived or asserted violation.

3410
02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:28,080
>> Okay. So I guess two I guess two things.

3411
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:31,359
I just right

3412
02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:33,200
directionwise can the minute show I mean

3413
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:37,040
do we have are people comfortable

3414
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:38,160
>> with that course of action

3415
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,479
>> I'm completely

3416
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:41,599
>> obtaining legal

3417
02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:42,319
>> absolutely

3418
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:43,359
>> getting a legal opinion here

3419
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:44,399
>> don't want to do anything illegal

3420
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:47,920
>> so please have the minute show that

3421
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:49,280
>> that we're going to get that that legal

3422
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:52,880
opinion um does that work for you Tim

3423
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:55,760
>> I I would definitely like to have a

3424
02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:57,520
legal opinion yes but what are we

3425
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,840
proposing to do that.

3426
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:01,280
>> Well, I think the action will be

3427
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:02,640
determined by what the outcome of that

3428
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:03,840
legal opinion is. If we're doing

3429
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:05,120
something illegal, then that's the

3430
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:06,720
implications will be a lot higher.

3431
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:08,319
>> The assertion is retroactive, correct?

3432
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:10,720
Like we've already violated the law. If

3433
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:12,720
your is what your assertion is, we are

3434
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:15,280
attempting to act tonight to get in I

3435
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:17,439
think what you're saying, we should act

3436
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:18,800
tonight to make sure we're in compliance

3437
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,200
for any other future sweeps or anything.

3438
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:21,920
What does

3439
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:22,880
>> else

3440
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:24,479
>> does the resolution have to

3441
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:27,840
retroactively go back and approve

3442
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:28,880
the August?

3443
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:30,720
>> I would be hesitant to pursue any type

3444
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:32,479
of change to rectify a situation that we

3445
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:34,080
don't have confirmation because in any

3446
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:36,960
violation of the law. That would be my

3447
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:37,680
take.

3448
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,520
>> That's the way most legal things work.

3449
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:43,280
>> Yeah. We're noticed to to do that, are

3450
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:44,160
we?

3451
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:45,840
>> I mean, we can always amend a

3452
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:46,880
>> Oh, yes, that's true.

3453
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:48,640
>> Amend something on the floor. So we

3454
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:50,240
could, but I don't understand the logic

3455
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,080
of going back to correct something that

3456
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:54,640
we don't have any legal opinion is

3457
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:55,600
actually

3458
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:57,680
>> a violation that occurred.

3459
02:20:57,680 --> 02:20:59,040
>> Violated did occur, then yeah, we'll

3460
02:20:59,040 --> 02:20:59,840
have to address.

3461
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,000
>> Just want to share if we don't

3462
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:03,840
short-term borrow,

3463
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:06,000
>> we will struggle to to make payroll and

3464
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:10,150
pay bills.

3465
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:10,720
» So,

3466
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:14,000
>> Oh, yeah. And again, I think these are two separate issues, right? I

3467
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,120
mean [clears throat] clearly

3468
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:16,319
>> I just want to make sure we understand

3469
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:19,120
like if if we don't do this

3470
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:20,560
>> we will have some trouble.

3471
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:22,800
>> No, I mean 100% board member brought a

3472
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:24,240
concern. I think we have a path to

3473
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,160
address that concern and the item on the

3474
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:27,600
floor is whether or not to propose

3475
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:30,080
short-term or support short-term

3476
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:31,920
borrowing in the matter that was

3477
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:34,880
described for this school year and we

3478
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:36,160
have an understanding of what that means

3479
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:38,080
and an understanding of what it means if

3480
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:40,160
we don't approve it.

3481
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:44,319
Any other comments or questions? No.

3482
02:21:44,319 --> 02:21:46,560
And yeah, I I have another

3483
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:47,439
>> Yeah, Tim

3484
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:49,280
>> question

3485
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:52,389
is

3486
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:57,718
I with all due respect, Mr. Yorkie, to

3487
02:21:57,718 --> 02:21:58,960
[clears throat]

3488
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:07,040
the resolution references this 81, the yellow one, right?

3489
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,920
So my question is

3490
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:14,080
after that item says that we can do this

3491
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:16,080
after the tax for operations and

3492
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,680
maintenance

3493
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:19,600
of the schools for the current year has

3494
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:26,070
been voted. And

3495
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:28,319
I am wondering

3496
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:31,520
is there a distinction between a

3497
02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:34,240
preliminary budget

3498
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:37,840
and a official budget?

3499
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:42,640
And when I look at the DPI's budget

3500
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:46,319
hearing and adoption timelines

3501
02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:49,359
and how they propose to do things, they

3502
02:22:49,359 --> 02:22:51,760
seem to suggest

3503
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:54,049
that

3504
02:22:54,049 --> 02:22:55,680
[clears throat]

3505
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:58,640
we approve the tax

3506
02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:00,399
at the point we adopt an official

3507
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:02,080
budget.

3508
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:06,319
And to adopt an official budget,

3509
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:09,760
we have to have done a budget hearing.

3510
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:11,840
And so we we aren't doing a budget

3511
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:14,080
hearing tonight.

3512
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:16,800
And so I'm a little concerned that maybe

3513
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:18,960
we aren't officially

3514
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:20,800
approving the tax or we didn't approve

3515
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,680
the tax in the resolution that we passed

3516
02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:25,040
just before this.

3517
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:26,960
>> Correct. Because it was preliminary.

3518
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:28,479
>> It's a preliminary budget. So it doesn't

3519
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:29,280
approve the tax.

3520
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,399
>> So it doesn't approve the tax, right?

3521
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:35,910
So this

3522
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:40,560
statute here gives us the authority to

3523
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:44,720
short-term borrow after

3524
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:46,160
the tax for the operation and

3525
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:47,359
maintenance of schools for the current

3526
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:49,760
school year has been voted and we didn't

3527
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,560
do that.

3528
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:53,920
>> So do you have something else for legal

3529
02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:55,520
counsel to look at then? Are

3530
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,359
>> well as we're working through the

3531
02:23:57,359 --> 02:23:58,960
preliminary budget

3532
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:02,000
>> I I think I think I think we have to

3533
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:06,080
look and say the statute says

3534
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:08,000
after tax for operation and maintenance

3535
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,359
of schools for the current school year

3536
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:11,520
has been voted we have the authority to

3537
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:14,960
borrow money as needed

3538
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:16,880
or alternatively

3539
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:20,800
we we could do short-term borrowing in

3540
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,200
June, July or August. If we do it in

3541
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:25,600
June, July or August it just takes us to

3542
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:28,720
vote 2/3. If we don't do it in June,

3543
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:32,319
July or August, we have to have voted on

3544
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:34,080
the tax for operations and maintenance

3545
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,080
of schools for the current year. And I

3546
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:37,280
don't think we just did.

3547
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:38,640
>> What's the difference between August and

3548
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:41,040
September in that analogy that the

3549
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:41,920
school year started? It

3550
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,720
>> it's state statute. It's it's that

3551
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:45,920
>> September.

3552
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:49,520
>> It's that item two here in purple

3553
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:51,520
specifically calls out

3554
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:53,600
>> we can short-term borrow in June, July,

3555
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:56,000
or August.

3556
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,920
>> Yeah. by twothirds vote. If you're going

3557
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:02,479
to do it after June, July or August, the

3558
02:25:02,479 --> 02:25:04,240
only other thing that you can point to

3559
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:06,880
is item one. That is the item that we

3560
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:09,680
have listed in the resolution. That that

3561
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:12,240
is the authority that we have and that

3562
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:14,880
this statute says we have the authority

3563
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:17,520
to do this after the tax or operations

3564
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,600
and maintenance of the schools has been

3565
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:20,720
voted on for this year.

3566
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:21,600
>> And that's why we brought the

3567
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:23,600
preliminary the preliminary budget. So

3568
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:25,359
what what's the solve or what's the

3569
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:27,680
question for legal

3570
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:29,200
to make sure we can pay our bills and

3571
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,200
pay our employees?

3572
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:33,040
The question is, do we have the

3573
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:34,640
authority to vote on it tonight if we

3574
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:36,720
haven't passed

3575
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:39,439
the tax

3576
02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:41,920
we have not passed or voted on the tax

3577
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:43,520
for operations and maintenance of

3578
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,399
schools for this year and that has to

3579
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:48,960
happen for us to approve short-term

3580
02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:52,720
borrowing in September.

3581
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,640
>> So that the preliminary budget would not

3582
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:56,240
be sufficient in order to approve

3583
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:57,520
short-term borrowing. Is that what

3584
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:57,920
you're saying?

3585
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:00,720
>> That's what I'm saying. And and You had

3586
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:03,040
just said that you felt as if we didn't

3587
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:04,399
vote on the tax.

3588
02:26:04,399 --> 02:26:07,680
>> Well, the the tax, yes. The prel the

3589
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:10,080
recommendation for to us has been to

3590
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:12,319
approve the preliminary budget to be

3591
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:13,439
able to make sure that you can

3592
02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:15,760
short-term borrow. That's if we need to

3593
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,680
follow up with DPI on that or legal

3594
02:26:17,680 --> 02:26:21,200
counsel. Um, we could do that, too. Um,

3595
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,800
>> yeah, I suppose we should. Just out of

3596
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:24,000
curiosity, Brian, maybe you don't know

3597
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:26,479
this, but I'm just the implication of

3598
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:28,000
this legal theory. I mean, we're looking

3599
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:30,240
at hundreds of school districts that are

3600
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:32,640
breaking the law. I mean, this throws

3601
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:34,479
everything into chaos in our entire

3602
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:35,680
school finance system.

3603
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:37,920
>> This isn't I don't want to speak to any

3604
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:39,040
other school districts.

3605
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:40,399
>> Where did the recommendation come from

3606
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:42,720
to pass the preliminary budget

3607
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:44,240
>> to do this?

3608
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:47,120
>> So, actually, Dr. H was the one who

3609
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:50,000
referenced last year's board meeting

3610
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:53,600
where Mr. Nhons got up and said, "We're

3611
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,200
going to present this preliminary budget

3612
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:57,840
to be able to short-term borrow."

3613
02:26:57,840 --> 02:26:59,520
>> And so that's why we backed off the

3614
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,439
previous meeting to get the preliminary

3615
02:27:01,439 --> 02:27:04,160
budget in at that point. That was your

3616
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:07,840
recommendation. We did that. And yes,

3617
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:09,920
the state statute

3618
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:11,920
did not uh reference the tax being

3619
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:12,479
included.

3620
02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:15,840
>> And when Mr. Nhons did that, we had a

3621
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:18,560
budget hearing ahead of time. And so

3622
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:20,640
that that's the distinction here is we

3623
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:22,000
didn't have a budget hearing and we're

3624
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,760
not approving an official budget. When

3625
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:25,200
you approve that official budget,

3626
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:26,640
>> you left that out when you notified me

3627
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:27,359
of the first.

3628
02:27:27,359 --> 02:27:28,800
>> I didn't know it at the time.

3629
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:30,960
>> And and I think to be clear like if

3630
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:32,880
we're at a level of we're talking about

3631
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:34,399
paying our employees and paying our

3632
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:37,439
bills. It would be much appreciated to

3633
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:39,280
be able to bring that type of

3634
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:42,080
information forward ahead of time that

3635
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:43,520
we could work through. I think you've

3636
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,439
had several conversations with Mr. your

3637
02:27:45,439 --> 02:27:47,040
key over the last week on a lot of

3638
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,280
different topics. So to be able to drop

3639
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:51,280
this on this administration and this

3640
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:53,520
board at this point, um I would just

3641
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:56,319
appreciate more professional courtesy as

3642
02:27:56,319 --> 02:27:57,920
we're moving forward. We can certainly

3643
02:27:57,920 --> 02:28:00,000
check that out as we're moving forward,

3644
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,319
but that's going to require for us to be

3645
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:04,720
able to make payroll for our employees

3646
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,720
um and pay our bills is going to be a

3647
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:08,800
special meeting if we would need if we

3648
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:10,319
don't approve it tonight. So I just want

3649
02:28:10,319 --> 02:28:11,040
to be clear on that.

3650
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:13,840
>> Well, let me let me be clear. My intent

3651
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:16,560
was to come in here tonight.

3652
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:18,880
I was not excited about the the sweep

3653
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:21,040
and the August

3654
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:23,600
because I felt like

3655
02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:26,880
that portion was problematic. And that's

3656
02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:29,840
why I printed this stuff out was because

3657
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,760
I felt like we needed to come up with a

3658
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:34,080
way to make sure that we weren't

3659
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:37,439
sweeping next year into the next school

3660
02:28:37,439 --> 02:28:41,760
year. My intent was to approve, me

3661
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:45,040
personally, vote yes on this. It was as

3662
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,479
I was driving home, I had a former

3663
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:50,479
school board member call me up and point

3664
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:53,520
out the tax thing. So, I get your angst

3665
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:55,680
on that aspect of things.

3666
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:57,200
>> Was that call on Monday or when was

3667
02:28:57,200 --> 02:28:59,439
>> No, that was today as I was driving

3668
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:00,399
home.

3669
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:02,000
>> Home from where?

3670
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:03,359
>> From work, Dr. Davis.

3671
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:04,720
>> Okay. I know. I just want to be clear.

3672
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:06,000
I'm just trying to make sure we get the

3673
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:06,960
timeline set.

3674
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:09,760
>> Right. So, that was today. That was this

3675
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:12,160
afternoon at like 2:30. And when he

3676
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:13,840
pointed that out, I looked at this and I

3677
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:17,280
was like, "Oh, yes, that seems right."

3678
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:20,479
Now, I appreciate

3679
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:23,680
you guys were very busy. I I can only do

3680
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:30,880
so much. So yes, my concern about the tax for operation,

3681
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:33,040
the authority under which we are

3682
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:34,960
proposing to vote on this tonight, that

3683
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:41,200
came to me today, this afternoon, and I am sorry that that took

3684
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:43,040
for that long for somebody to call me up

3685
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,800
and suggest this to me. So yes, there

3686
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:48,960
was an element of this that I I had

3687
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:50,399
prepared, but that wasn't going to stop

3688
02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:52,720
me from voting on this. It is the second

3689
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:58,160
element now that I have been informed of

3690
02:29:58,160 --> 02:29:59,680
that makes it questionable whether we

3691
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:02,240
can vote on this tonight. And I will

3692
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:03,920
just say

3693
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,560
when I appreciate you letting me know

3694
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:09,040
about the preliminary budget piece. I

3695
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:11,359
did call DPI and had a conversation with

3696
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:13,600
DPI about do we have to go through it

3697
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:16,160
based on this statute. At that point

3698
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,160
they said well it's a loose

3699
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:20,800
interpretation. You only need to call

3700
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:29,359
your borrower, bond counsel, because the primary reason is so your bank has

3701
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:32,000
assurance that you have a budget that

3702
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:35,040
supports the need to borrow that money.

3703
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:37,600
So I talked to Corals and Brady Allison

3704
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:40,080
Buchanan there and I said, "Do I need a

3705
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:42,479
preliminary budget? Does that suffice?"

3706
02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:44,319
She goes, "Call your bank if they

3707
02:30:44,319 --> 02:30:47,520
require it because most people aren't

3708
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,200
going to be able to borrow $10 million,

3709
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:51,600
$15 million, $20 million unless they can

3710
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:54,240
present a budget that demonstrates the

3711
02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:57,680
need for it based on the in-n-outs." So,

3712
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:59,600
a response from DPI and I shared this

3713
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:02,560
with you, I guess, that evening was

3714
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:04,720
statutes of loose interpretation. The

3715
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:06,880
DPI doesn't necessarily require it, but

3716
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:09,680
your bond council might. Bond council.

3717
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,040
So the reference is from the department

3718
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:12,399
of public instruction Wisconsin.

3719
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:12,800
Correct.

3720
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:14,960
>> And that was communicated to Mr. H, Dr.

3721
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:16,479
Hus before.

3722
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:17,760
>> Correct. We had talked about it after

3723
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:18,960
that board meeting.

3724
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,399
>> Is that correct, Dr.

3725
02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:21,200
>> That is correct.

3726
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:24,000
>> All right. That absolutely is. And

3727
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:31,280
that just shows you my desire or my understanding of what

3728
02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:34,479
the DBI DPI's expertise is. I don't have

3729
02:31:34,479 --> 02:31:36,720
any faith in them. We have a state

3730
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:39,520
statute that dictates when we can

3731
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:40,240
borrow. Do

3732
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,600
>> you have faith in quarrels who

3733
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,040
apparently was our legal counsel where

3734
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:44,960
we got advice on this on that this is

3735
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:48,800
appropriate to do in conjun if we have

3736
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:52,319
addressed it with our bank.

3737
02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:55,600
>> You're saying you legal counsel has told

3738
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:56,479
us we could do this.

3739
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:59,439
>> Legal counsel from Coral Zimbury bond

3740
02:31:59,439 --> 02:31:59,760
counsel.

3741
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:00,479
>> Yeah, bond council.

3742
02:32:00,479 --> 02:32:01,120
>> Bond council

3743
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:04,800
>> and they said we could do this. They said presenting a preliminary

3744
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:08,560
budget when we have in our time frame as

3745
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:12,000
long as a bank we present that budget to

3746
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:15,120
them is best practice. Okay.

3747
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:16,479
>> Okay. Well well thanks for bringing this

3748
02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:18,240
to our attention Tim. I mean we have we

3749
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:19,680
have a recourse that legal council is

3750
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:21,040
looking into it. Obviously each

3751
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:22,399
individual board member here can

3752
02:32:22,399 --> 02:32:24,000
exercise their opinion on the specific

3753
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:26,319
vote via the democratic process. But are

3754
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:27,760
there any other questions?

3755
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:28,399
>> Yes.

3756
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:30,880
>> Yeah. Jacob. Um I mean I understand

3757
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:32,399
concern and not wanting to do anything

3758
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:34,000
illegally.

3759
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:35,680
What

3760
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:39,280
if so if you have a special meeting

3761
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:40,960
when's the time frame that you would

3762
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:42,479
need

3763
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:45,520
to get the law the lawyer to look at it

3764
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:50,399
find out if he's correct or not

3765
02:32:50,399 --> 02:32:51,680
>> days

3766
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,439
>> and we have payroll Friday

3767
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:58,479
>> and so Dr. Are you willing to have some

3768
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:03,359
of our employees not get paid

3769
02:33:03,359 --> 02:33:08,389
for this? I have a hard time with that.

3770
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:11,439
I [laughter] mean,

3771
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:14,640
I No, I I don't want it to be the case

3772
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:16,640
that they don't get paid. My preference

3773
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:20,560
would be that we would have filed item

3774
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:23,920
two and brought this sooner. So, you

3775
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:26,399
know, to say it's on me, it's my

3776
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:29,040
>> Well, and what we did was was reference,

3777
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:30,720
just want to make sure we're

3778
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:32,720
>> clear that we referenced the Department

3779
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:35,120
of Public Instruction and our B bond

3780
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:37,280
legal counsel in reference. So, it

3781
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:39,760
wasn't it wasn't like it was just

3782
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:41,760
glossed over and not looked into. Just

3783
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:44,640
want to make sure that we have that as a

3784
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:46,800
part of the conversation. I apologize,

3785
02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:50,000
Jacob. No, I'm just I mean that's a

3786
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,720
pretty heavy situation to say if we

3787
02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:54,479
don't pass this, we might not be able to

3788
02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:57,040
pay some of our employees.

3789
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:59,600
If it turned out that it was illegal, do

3790
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:01,520
we know what the repercussions of that

3791
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:04,479
would be?

3792
02:34:04,479 --> 02:34:06,479
>> Probably nothing.

3793
02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:08,000
Probably we would have to go back

3794
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:09,680
retroactively and

3795
02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:13,280
>> fix the minutes or not or whatever. So

3796
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,040
bank was prepared to give us this loan

3797
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:17,120
without a preliminary budget

3798
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:19,040
>> or anything else as a community banking

3799
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:19,840
partner.

3800
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:20,800
>> Okay.

3801
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:22,640
>> I would be like I I say it often. Oh, go

3802
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:23,280
ahead, Molly.

3803
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:26,000
>> I just want to make one clarification.

3804
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:28,399
Quarrel Corals and Bradies is a law

3805
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:29,200
firm.

3806
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:31,920
>> Bond council are attorneys who

3807
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:35,359
understand this whole process. They have

3808
02:34:35,359 --> 02:34:39,280
this is what they have said is practice

3809
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:41,680
within the scope of the law. Is that

3810
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:43,040
correct? Whether or not they are our

3811
02:34:43,040 --> 02:34:45,040
attorneys, they are bond counsel, so

3812
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,280
they are not our attorneys necessarily,

3813
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:48,880
>> but that is what

3814
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:50,000
>> Yeah.

3815
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:52,000
>> Alison Buchanan has said.

3816
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:54,000
>> Now, I didn't specifically, just to be

3817
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,680
clear, I didn't specifically talk about

3818
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:58,800
the tax piece. I said, "Do we need a

3819
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,040
preliminary budget to be able to

3820
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,680
short-term borrow?" Her response was,

3821
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:05,600
"It's best practice. Your bank will

3822
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:07,520
determine what you need to show from a

3823
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:09,920
budget standpoint." at that point

3824
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:12,319
knowing that that's best practice and

3825
02:35:12,319 --> 02:35:16,560
again DPI was like the statute is you

3826
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:18,240
know it can be interpreted different

3827
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:20,640
ways we don't necessarily care called on

3828
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,200
counsel that was the response from DPI

3829
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:24,479
that I had shared with

3830
02:35:24,479 --> 02:35:26,800
>> so you did your due diligence

3831
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:29,439
>> to the best of your ability we can know

3832
02:35:29,439 --> 02:35:31,760
we can tell that that you are doing this

3833
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:34,800
in good faith you got opinions from

3834
02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:36,160
>> I'm not trying to break the law Chris

3835
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:37,840
>> right no one here is

3836
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:40,560
>> so yeah I I totally understand. I'm not

3837
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,560
willing to

3838
02:35:42,560 --> 02:35:44,960
risk not our employees not getting paid

3839
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:46,960
and I as long as it goes to legal

3840
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:48,880
counsel and we can correct those issues

3841
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:52,640
if there are issues then well I think

3842
02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:55,120
the commitment is we'll just do this in

3843
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:56,960
June and July. Cindy will have had a

3844
02:35:56,960 --> 02:35:59,200
year under her belt and we'll just do it

3845
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:01,359
in June or July. We won't be behind the

3846
02:36:01,359 --> 02:36:03,920
eight-ball in figuring out 25 26 budget

3847
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,319
and it's a mute point. So, I I think we

3848
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:07,840
would prefer to have it done and not be

3849
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:10,560
on a short timeline. We'll present it in

3850
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:12,800
June or July with our preliminary budget

3851
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:15,840
at that point and be done with it

3852
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:17,200
because I don't I don't want to have to

3853
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:18,479
do it at this point either. We're going

3854
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:19,680
to have a pretty good estimate of what

3855
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:20,880
we're going to need to borrow at that

3856
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,640
point anyway. We're just behind the

3857
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:24,720
eight-ball figuring it out. And I

3858
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:26,720
appreciated Dr. house walking through

3859
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:28,240
the state statute and saying, "Hey, last

3860
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,319
year I remember Drew had to go through a

3861
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:32,800
preliminary budget that sparked the

3862
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:34,960
phone calls to move forward."

3863
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:37,200
>> And I I agree with a lot of what Tim is

3864
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,680
saying and I we need to know this. We

3865
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:41,840
have to

3866
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:45,040
>> and to be clear, I am not saying that

3867
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,560
anybody is intentionally

3868
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:50,800
I I think I think this is a mistake and

3869
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:53,680
it's an accident kind of thing. I'm not

3870
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,600
saying there's any ill intent in anybody

3871
02:36:55,600 --> 02:36:58,319
in this room to try to intentionally

3872
02:36:58,319 --> 02:37:02,240
break the law. Absolutely not. But okay,

3873
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:04,880
I I think I think we have tried to do

3874
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:07,439
the best that we can.

3875
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:10,240
I I do appreciate that we have new

3876
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:11,760
people that are attempting to do this

3877
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:15,920
and you're trying to learn,

3878
02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:17,760
but I do think that we can make mistakes

3879
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:21,120
and that's all I'm saying about it.

3880
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:22,319
>> I [clears throat] appreciate that. We'll

3881
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:23,760
get a check out.

3882
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:24,720
>> All right. Sure.

3883
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:26,160
>> Call the RO.

3884
02:37:26,160 --> 02:37:27,280
>> Yeah.

3885
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:28,000
>> Board.

3886
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,760
>> Izzone.

3887
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:30,960
>> How are you?

3888
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:33,439
>> No.

3889
02:37:33,439 --> 02:37:34,000
>> I.

3890
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:34,800
>> Wolf.

3891
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:35,680
>> I.

3892
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:36,160
>> Right.

3893
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:36,560
>> I.

3894
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:38,640
>> Resolution carries with the vote 6 to1.

3895
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:39,840
Well, I'm sorry. 5 to1.

3896
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:40,960
>> 5 to one.

3897
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:42,319
>> Excellent. All right. The request for

3898
02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:43,920
future items for committee review. Well,

3899
02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,280
Brian, you're still my thunder, but we

3900
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:46,319
should have the timing of this for next

3901
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:47,600
year put on the finance committee

3902
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:48,160
agenda.

3903
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:49,439
>> Correct.

3904
02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:52,560
Uh can we do uh to policy and governance

3905
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:55,439
754 social media and possibly just

3906
02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:57,280
incorporating the operational aspects of

3907
02:37:57,280 --> 02:38:00,319
that of looking at updating um

3908
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:01,680
>> like the yearbooks?

3909
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:03,040
>> Yeah,

3910
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:04,880
>> publicity consent or whatever those are

3911
02:38:04,880 --> 02:38:05,520
called.

3912
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:09,439
>> Yeah. Anything else?

3913
02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:11,920
>> Any announcements?

3914
02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:12,240
Yes,

3915
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:14,240
>> I do have an important announcement um

3916
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:16,240
that I want to just touch base on and

3917
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:17,760
this is a communication that went out

3918
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:19,359
during this meeting so I didn't get a

3919
02:38:19,359 --> 02:38:21,840
chance to update

3920
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:24,800
um before. So um

3921
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:26,560
>> after um the incident that happened

3922
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:29,600
today um our north administration uh

3923
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:31,920
debriefed along with some of our central

3924
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:34,000
office staff debriefed with the north

3925
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:36,640
staff about uh our abilities to be able

3926
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:39,040
to move forward with school tomorrow. Um

3927
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:41,600
and so made the difficult decision at

3928
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:45,200
North only um to cancel classes uh for

3929
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:48,399
tomorrow, Thursday, uh September 22nd.

3930
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:50,960
Very important to understand that that

3931
02:38:50,960 --> 02:38:53,840
is not due to any safety concerns. Um

3932
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:55,600
law enforcement has confirmed there's no

3933
02:38:55,600 --> 02:38:57,600
ongoing threat or safety concern to the

3934
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:00,800
community. Um, as the debrief went with

3935
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:03,600
the north staff, uh, it became clear

3936
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:06,560
that that from a staff standpoint to be

3937
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:08,960
able to debrief the reunification

3938
02:39:08,960 --> 02:39:10,560
process and everything that happened

3939
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:12,319
today that there was some additional

3940
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:14,000
time that was needed to process and

3941
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,399
support the school community, both staff

3942
02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:18,560
and students, um, to take care of our

3943
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:20,160
educators, staff, students, and

3944
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:22,319
families, um, continues to be our top

3945
02:39:22,319 --> 02:39:24,479
priority. So supporting available

3946
02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:27,760
students um um is is a priority for um

3947
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:29,200
tomorrow. Although we will not have

3948
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:30,960
class, we will have counselors and

3949
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:34,960
support staff at North um to um host any

3950
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:38,240
students that need um a safe place to be

3951
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,479
um or have a need for counseling

3952
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:42,800
services. Um there was an email that was

3953
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:44,319
put out today just outlining those

3954
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:47,280
times. That's 10 to 3:00 um tomorrow. Uh

3955
02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:49,760
we will have lunch service um tomorrow

3956
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:51,840
and the ability for students to come in

3957
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:53,680
and have materials pick up because of

3958
02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:56,399
how quickly things went today um in the

3959
02:39:56,399 --> 02:39:58,080
reunification process which was

3960
02:39:58,080 --> 02:39:59,840
necessary. Many students didn't get a

3961
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:01,600
chance to pick up what they would need.

3962
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:03,359
So they'll have an opportunity to do

3963
02:40:03,359 --> 02:40:05,680
that. Um being a students first

3964
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:08,080
district, we also want to make sure um

3965
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:10,080
that uh tomorrow afternoon the

3966
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:12,640
afterchool activities and athletics will

3967
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:15,120
continue um to give our kids a place to

3968
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:18,399
be able to uh re-engage um and staff

3969
02:40:18,399 --> 02:40:19,920
during the day then will have a

3970
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:22,319
structured schedule um that'll include

3971
02:40:22,319 --> 02:40:25,120
processing uh after action debriefs on

3972
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:28,080
what happened um today um and to be able

3973
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:29,920
to make sure that we have plans as we're

3974
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:31,840
moving forward and re-engaging kids then

3975
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:33,359
which would be Monday because Friday is

3976
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:35,600
a professional development day. Um and

3977
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:38,800
that the return to school um in a uh

3978
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:40,720
regular schedule will be Monday,

3979
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:43,760
September 28th for our Ashkosh North

3980
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:45,840
students. And I again I just want to uh

3981
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:49,760
commend um our North staff um for um the

3982
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:51,520
work that they did today along with the

3983
02:40:51,520 --> 02:40:52,720
collaboration with the police

3984
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:55,600
department. Very difficult day. Um and

3985
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,680
uh and we certainly want to um help

3986
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:00,080
continue to support um both our students

3987
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:01,600
and staff that went through that

3988
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:04,399
situation today. and uh and have that

3989
02:41:04,399 --> 02:41:06,399
day tomorrow to be able to process that

3990
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:08,240
in a healthy way and be ready to go for

3991
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:10,640
our students as we're moving forward. So

3992
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:12,240
um so just wanted that communication

3993
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:13,840
came out during the meeting. So I didn't

3994
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:15,920
have an opportunity to say that uh at

3995
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:17,120
the beginning. So I just wanted to

3996
02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:18,720
before we left today make sure that that

3997
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:20,640
was one of our announcements.

3998
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:23,120
>> Thank you.

3999
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:24,880
>> Motion motion to adjurnn.

4000
02:41:24,880 --> 02:41:27,120
>> Let's adjourn.

4001
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:27,920
>> Someone's got a motion.

4002
02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:28,640
>> Motion to

4003
02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:30,880
>> All right. Chris Ray.

4004
02:41:30,880 --> 02:41:31,520
>> Second.

4005
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:36,230
Yes.

4006
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:45,670
» I

4007
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:56,372
» wonder what those people wanted.

4008
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