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Oshkosh City Planning Commission meeting

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of the 26th. We are glad

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you joined

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us. I see we have a

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quorum. Before we

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begin, I have

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a few

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organizational

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questions. Please

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turn off or

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mute all

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communication devices.

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Applicants and

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members of

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the public may

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speak on

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any matter

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before the Planning

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Commission after

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it has been announced and

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opened for

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discussion. Before

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speaking, you must

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write your name and

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address on the

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speaker registration form

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located at the

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podium over there. Unless the

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Planning Commission

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makes an exception,

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the following

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rules apply. The applicant

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is given up to 10 minutes

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to submit

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any information

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for our consideration.

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After this,

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members of

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the public

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are given up to 5 minutes

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to speak on a

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specific issue

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before the Planning

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Commission.

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Members of

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the public may

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each

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agenda item unless a

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Planning

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Commission member requires

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clarification or wishes to

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ask you a

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question. Questions

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or statements from the floor

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will not be considered.

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statements made from the

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podium after

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registration of name and

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address and within the

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time allowed will be taken into account.

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When everyone

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has spoken on the

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agenda item

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, the applicant

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will be asked for a

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closing statement, after

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which the Planning Commission

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will be able to proceed to

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making a decision.

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The City Council has adopted

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rules of etiquette for

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city councils and commissions

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, including

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obligations of

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courtesy. No one

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should personally

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council or commission member,

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city official,

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staff, or any

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other person. No one

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is allowed to make

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inappropriate, excessively

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threatening,

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defamatory or

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remarks, or

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disrupt the order of the

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meeting. This

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includes clapping,

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stomping,

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whistling, shouting, or other

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similar demonstrations

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. Thank you all for your

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understanding. Now

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let's move on to our

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The first item is

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roll call.

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Brinco is absent for a

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good reason.

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Deputy Mayor Buelo?

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Rucker is absent for a

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good reason.

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Davis is absent for a

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valid reason.

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Lowenstein? Bowen?

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Pollock?

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Vice Chairman Kiper?

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Perry's head?

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members of the commission are present.

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Thank you very much. So, we

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move on to the

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agreed agenda

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. We have

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four issues on the

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agreed agenda

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. Are there any

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would like to speak

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on the agreed

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issues? Is there anyone from

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would like to make a statement

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regarding the

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agreed agenda items

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? Are there any members of the

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Planning Commission who

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wish to remove

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any items from the

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agreed agenda

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planning commission member wish to

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remove any

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items from the

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agenda by consent?

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Okay, I see that

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no one wants it. So,

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planning commissions, it's up

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to you. I

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propose

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to recommend

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approval of all

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agenda items

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by consensus and to

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adopt the conclusions and

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recommendations on

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each item as

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outlined in the

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staff reports. I

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support.

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suggestion and

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support. Are there any

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discussions regarding

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this proposal?

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Okay, I see there is

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n't. So, let's

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have a roll call

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vote,

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Was it?

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The proposal passed

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agenda by consent to the

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agenda. Item number

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five is to review and

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provide recommendations

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on the project for

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facade changes and a new

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covered patio at

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13 Wagu Avenue. Were

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any on-

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site inspections conducted?

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Okay, that's on

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our record. Ahem. I

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accept the

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staff report as part of the

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minutes. Please

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submit your

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resume.

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Thank you, boss. Um,

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the property consists of a

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0.02 acre commercial lot

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located on the

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Wagu Avenue. There

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is a

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two-story

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historic building on the premises,

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built in 1875. The

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first floor

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was previously occupied by a boutique

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fitness training store, and the

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second floor is and

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will remain

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commercial. The site

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is zoned, ahem,

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use, and the

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mostly of

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commercial properties. The

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2040 Comprehensive Land Use Plan recommends

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use within the

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city center for this site. Um,

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the applicant plans

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to convert the first

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floor into an ice

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cream parlor. Um,

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the proposal also

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includes an attached

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covered patio exit

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on the east side of

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the building, which will have a

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ramp for people with

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disabilities. Um, the

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adjacent vacant

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lot at

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is proposed

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to be converted into a nine-hole

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mini-golf course

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. Um,

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the applicant stated that a

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certified

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survey map will be completed and submitted to

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merge both

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properties. Um, this

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request, um, regarding

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proposed

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facade changes and

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patio improvements, um, requires a

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design review. Um

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, so to improve the

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front facade, um

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, it will involve

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repainting the

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existing

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wooden

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exterior black

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and

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installing new

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doors. Um, the existing

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exterior doors and

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second

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floor windows will remain.

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Um, improvements to the

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east side, um,

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or east facade

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include

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the installation of new

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by-8 black aluminum glass lift doors, as well as a new patio area

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proposed along the length of

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the building that will

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include a wood

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and metal roof

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structure. According to

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the applicant, the

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design approach to the

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building's exterior

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aims to retain the

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large percentage of

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glazing that is

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typical of the

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existing facade and

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other storefronts in the

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area. The design is

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intended to complement the

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surrounding buildings

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without creating a false

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sense of history,

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while maintaining

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the scale, volume, and

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rhythm of the city center.

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proposed changes to

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the facade and covered

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terrace as they are

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consistent with the

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existing building and the

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character of the

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surrounding downtown area

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. The planning

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department received

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a complaint from

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the owner of a neighboring

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property regarding an

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emergency exit

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that overlooks a

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future

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mini-golf course and

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outdoor terrace. The

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property owner

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stated that he has no

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objections to

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the project, provided that

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this emergency exit

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remains

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free. Um, the

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proposed

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exterior facades

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show a design for a

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sign with

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backlighting.

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The sign is not part of

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this review and will be

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reviewed separately as

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part of obtaining a

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sign permit

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because it will

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project over

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public land

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and a

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boundary violation agreement must

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be executed and

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recorded in the

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Winnebago County Register of Deeds prior to issuance of

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the permit. In light of

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this, staff

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recommends approval of

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the design for the facade changes and

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new covered terrace,

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as outlined in the

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staff report.

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Thank you very much for your

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report.

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Planning Commission, do you have any

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technical questions

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for the staff? Mrs.

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Prop?

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Yes. I am completely

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confused. Is 15

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Vagu what looks

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like a driveway? Now.

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Yes, you will open the

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master plan here. The

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master plan, and I

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literally walked

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around the site and thought

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: what is this?

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Maybe it will be

377
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better that way. Um, okay, so

378
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13 Vahu is where the

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building is now,

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and in this

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aerial photo, 15 is

382
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somewhere where the

383
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red car is parked.

384
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Okay, so this is

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n't just an entrance, it's going to become

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part of this

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area?

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I believe that is the

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intention.

390
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Okay, so I see the

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plot. And theoretically

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there would be room for a

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small

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golf course, but I would ask the

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applicant about that. But

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thank you.

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Are there any more

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technical questions

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for the staff? Mr.

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Pollock.

401
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So this isn't

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necessarily an

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alley

404
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connecting to the

405
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parking lot?

406
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Um, I don't know how to

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answer that. Sorry.

408
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What was the question?

409
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Remind me of the question,

410
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please?

411
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Regarding the alley where the

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golf course will be.

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Does it

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have to be there to

415
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access the parking

416
00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:02,938
behind these buildings?

417
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The plan is to

418
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merge this with the

419
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target site

420
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via CSM so that it is

421
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one facility.

422
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Including all the

423
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parking behind.

424
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To what comes out

425
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on Libra?

426
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No, from the east side.

427
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Because there's an alley

428
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that adjoins that

429
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parking lot behind the other

430
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buildings. I

431
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don't think that's

432
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part of it. It looks like this is

433
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part of 219

434
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State Street.

435
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I'm just making sure

436
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that it's not a

437
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prerequisite.

438
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That's right, there

439
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is no such requirement.

440
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OK. Do

441
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you have any more technical

442
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questions? I see that there is

443
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none. So I am

444
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opening the

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public

446
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comment period and asking

447
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the applicant to speak

448
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if he wishes. Is

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the applicant present and does

450
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he wish to make a

451
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statement? If you

452
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come up to

453
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the microphone…No, you won't

454
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make a statement?

455
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OK. Is there anyone from

456
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the public who would like to

457
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speak

458
00:10:01,377 --> 00:10:02,429
on this

459
00:10:02,429 --> 00:10:05,945
agenda item? Does

460
00:10:05,945 --> 00:10:07,118
anyone present

461
00:10:07,118 --> 00:10:08,359
wish to make a statement

462
00:10:08,359 --> 00:10:12,583
on this matter?

463
00:10:12,583 --> 00:10:14,167
Okay, no one is there.

464
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So I am closing the

465
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public

466
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comment period. The applicant

467
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may make a

468
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closing statement

469
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if he/she wishes.

470
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They refuse. So,

471
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commission, the decision is

472
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yours. Wake up,

473
00:10:26,611 --> 00:10:29,053
John.

474
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Of course. I propose

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to recommend

476
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approval of this

477
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agenda item

478
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and to adopt

479
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the conclusions and

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recommendations

481
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set forth in the

482
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staff report. I

483
00:10:34,992 --> 00:10:35,778
support.

484
00:10:35,778 --> 00:10:37,012
Okay, there is a suggestion

485
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and support. Is there any

486
00:10:38,154 --> 00:10:39,205
discussion of this

487
00:10:39,205 --> 00:10:40,485
proposal, Ms. Propp

488
00:10:40,485 --> 00:10:40,618
?

489
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Yes, I still have a

490
00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:42,894
question. Can I

491
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ask the applicant?

492
00:10:44,753 --> 00:10:47,933
Yes, you can.

493
00:10:47,933 --> 00:10:49,131
You need to approach the

494
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podium. My

495
00:10:56,021 --> 00:10:57,714
question, you probably

496
00:10:57,714 --> 00:11:01,616
heard, is... I was

497
00:11:01,616 --> 00:11:02,780
confused, but

498
00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:03,943
apparently 15 Waku

499
00:11:03,943 --> 00:11:05,340
consists of

500
00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:06,814
what now looks like an

501
00:11:06,814 --> 00:11:10,063
alley or driveway.

502
00:11:10,063 --> 00:11:11,023
And that you can

503
00:11:11,023 --> 00:11:12,426
combine this with your

504
00:11:12,426 --> 00:11:16,719
…current building

505
00:11:16,719 --> 00:11:19,665
on 13 Waku. And I see that

506
00:11:19,665 --> 00:11:20,856
the property goes

507
00:11:20,856 --> 00:11:22,079
further…I was worried

508
00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:22,873
about the city

509
00:11:22,873 --> 00:11:24,163
parking, but it doesn't

510
00:11:24,163 --> 00:11:27,571
go that far.

511
00:11:27,571 --> 00:11:28,937
Sorry, I don't understand

512
00:11:28,937 --> 00:11:30,303
how you can squeeze a

513
00:11:30,303 --> 00:11:31,464
mini-

514
00:11:31,464 --> 00:11:32,336
golf course in there.

515
00:11:32,336 --> 00:11:33,799
Well, I didn't think I

516
00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:34,957
could either, but...

517
00:11:34,957 --> 00:11:36,878
Then explain. Because

518
00:11:36,878 --> 00:11:37,798
you'll have this

519
00:11:37,798 --> 00:11:39,528
outdoor patio.

520
00:11:39,528 --> 00:11:41,801
Yes. Well, it's just going to be a

521
00:11:41,801 --> 00:11:43,035
very small

522
00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:44,525
nine-hole course.

523
00:11:44,525 --> 00:11:46,010
This will not be an 18-hole

524
00:11:46,010 --> 00:11:48,856
mini-golf course. I

525
00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:50,814
don't even see nine holes there.

526
00:11:50,814 --> 00:11:52,460
Um, yeah, it's about

527
00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:53,934
5-6 feet wide

528
00:11:53,934 --> 00:11:55,667
each fairway, most of

529
00:11:55,667 --> 00:11:58,354
that is, you know, the

530
00:11:58,397 --> 00:12:00,087
putting surface, and then, um,

531
00:12:00,087 --> 00:12:01,560
about 18-22 feet

532
00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,479
for each hole.

533
00:12:04,479 --> 00:12:05,200
Okay.

534
00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,574
Um, do you have this? I I I

535
00:12:08,574 --> 00:12:10,064
have a little sketch

536
00:12:10,064 --> 00:12:11,405
that was made

537
00:12:11,405 --> 00:12:12,597
to show what the

538
00:12:12,597 --> 00:12:14,659
idea is roughly.

539
00:12:14,659 --> 00:12:15,913
Okay. Just you

540
00:12:15,913 --> 00:12:17,116
can put it

541
00:12:17,116 --> 00:12:18,352
so I can bring it up

542
00:12:18,352 --> 00:12:19,131
on the screen.

543
00:12:19,131 --> 00:12:23,777
Where are the napkins? Oh, it's

544
00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:27,511
not on?

545
00:12:27,511 --> 00:12:28,891
We can pass it on

546
00:12:28,891 --> 00:12:31,242
.

547
00:12:31,242 --> 00:12:32,268
If you want, we

548
00:12:32,268 --> 00:12:33,660
can pass that on

549
00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:55,069
too. So, there are no

550
00:12:55,069 --> 00:12:56,159
little

551
00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:57,488
tricks here like windmills

552
00:12:57,488 --> 00:12:58,851
or dinosaurs or anything

553
00:12:58,851 --> 00:13:03,383
like that. If you're

554
00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:04,390
familiar with what

555
00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:05,558
Tiger Woods does,

556
00:13:05,558 --> 00:13:06,760
his concept of mini-

557
00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,961
golf with putts, it's

558
00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:09,065
more of a

559
00:13:09,065 --> 00:13:10,331
putting course, as they

560
00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:13,930
call it. Um, a

561
00:13:13,930 --> 00:13:15,242
more realistic

562
00:13:15,242 --> 00:13:16,663
look, you could say

563
00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:16,800
.

564
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,922
Oh, okay. I'm not familiar

565
00:13:19,922 --> 00:13:21,203
with Tiger Woods

566
00:13:21,203 --> 00:13:23,960
doing this, but okay.

567
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,505
So, the entrance from the building.

568
00:13:27,505 --> 00:13:28,798
Right.

569
00:13:28,798 --> 00:13:30,538
Not from Vahu.

570
00:13:30,538 --> 00:13:31,400
No.

571
00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,068
Okay. Okay. And then,

572
00:13:35,068 --> 00:13:36,030
I had the same

573
00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:37,120
concern about the

574
00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,722
open staircase. And that's why

575
00:13:38,722 --> 00:13:40,100
I see that they are

576
00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:42,812
open. Okay. So,

577
00:13:42,812 --> 00:13:44,173
thank you very much. Are

578
00:13:44,173 --> 00:13:45,265
there any more technical

579
00:13:45,265 --> 00:13:46,539
questions or other

580
00:13:46,539 --> 00:13:47,704
discussion on this

581
00:13:47,704 --> 00:13:48,833
proposal, Mr.

582
00:13:48,833 --> 00:13:51,144
Chairman?

583
00:13:51,144 --> 00:13:52,147
So, mostly the

584
00:13:52,147 --> 00:13:53,047
feedback I've

585
00:13:53,047 --> 00:13:54,362
received falls into

586
00:13:54,362 --> 00:13:56,442
two camps. One is very

587
00:13:56,442 --> 00:13:57,236
excited about the

588
00:13:57,236 --> 00:13:58,442
developments there,

589
00:13:58,442 --> 00:13:59,554
and I belong to that

590
00:13:59,554 --> 00:14:01,943
camp. But right

591
00:14:01,943 --> 00:14:02,923
after that they

592
00:14:02,923 --> 00:14:04,030
say, "There's going to be

593
00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:04,567
kids

594
00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:05,800
using

595
00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,812
this as a putting green or

596
00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:07,855
mini golf, and they're

597
00:14:07,855 --> 00:14:09,119
going to, I don't know

598
00:14:09,119 --> 00:14:10,068
what the right

599
00:14:10,068 --> 00:14:11,727
term is." Mini golf, and

600
00:14:11,727 --> 00:14:12,969
you hit the ball, it

601
00:14:12,969 --> 00:14:14,014
flies out, hits a

602
00:14:14,014 --> 00:14:15,191
building, flies out onto the

603
00:14:15,191 --> 00:14:17,600
road. It's just

604
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,555
too much, it

605
00:14:18,555 --> 00:14:19,806
seems like it's too

606
00:14:19,806 --> 00:14:20,991
small a place for mini-

607
00:14:20,991 --> 00:14:23,831
golf. Considering

608
00:14:23,831 --> 00:14:25,245
that there is traffic there

609
00:14:25,245 --> 00:14:25,382
.

610
00:14:25,382 --> 00:14:26,807
Mhm.

611
00:14:26,807 --> 00:14:27,887
You know, most

612
00:14:27,887 --> 00:14:29,000
other

613
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,211
mini golf courses

614
00:14:30,211 --> 00:14:31,488
we think of have

615
00:14:31,488 --> 00:14:33,552
space around them. They are

616
00:14:33,552 --> 00:14:34,928
bigger and there

617
00:14:34,928 --> 00:14:36,959
is space around them. How would you, how would

618
00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:43,700
you respond to that?

619
00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:47,034
Well, I don't think I have a

620
00:14:47,034 --> 00:14:48,300
good answer to

621
00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:49,350
that. Um, limiting

622
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:50,714
the balls from hitting

623
00:14:50,714 --> 00:14:51,940
the street—is that what you

624
00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:54,528
mean?

625
00:14:54,528 --> 00:14:55,971
Well, limit or,

626
00:14:55,971 --> 00:14:57,600
you know, I, I'm still not

627
00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,229
100% sure.

628
00:15:00,229 --> 00:15:01,081
For example, you

629
00:15:01,081 --> 00:15:02,071
go into an ice

630
00:15:02,071 --> 00:15:02,924
cream parlor to

631
00:15:02,924 --> 00:15:04,084
pay money, and

632
00:15:04,084 --> 00:15:06,505
then you leave and... That

633
00:15:06,505 --> 00:15:07,741
's right. Yes, you

634
00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:09,072
do all this in an ice

635
00:15:09,072 --> 00:15:11,097
cream parlor. You take your

636
00:15:11,097 --> 00:15:12,564
ball, a small club,

637
00:15:12,564 --> 00:15:14,308
and then you go to the

638
00:15:14,308 --> 00:15:15,404
So, will there be

639
00:15:15,404 --> 00:15:16,950
a fence there? It was

640
00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:18,314
n't planned at this point

641
00:15:18,314 --> 00:15:20,664
, no.

642
00:15:20,664 --> 00:15:21,468
Of course.

643
00:15:21,468 --> 00:15:24,106
Fence on the scales?

644
00:15:24,106 --> 00:15:28,318
Yes. So, is it...Yes. Ahem.

645
00:15:28,318 --> 00:15:29,613
Conceptually,

646
00:15:29,613 --> 00:15:30,309
I really

647
00:15:30,309 --> 00:15:31,105
like it.

648
00:15:31,105 --> 00:15:32,302
I want to say "yes

649
00:15:32,302 --> 00:15:33,438
", but I mean there

650
00:15:33,438 --> 00:15:34,665
was a lot of talk

651
00:15:34,665 --> 00:15:35,525
about the balls

652
00:15:35,525 --> 00:15:36,393
going out.

653
00:15:36,393 --> 00:15:38,757
Mhm. Of course. So,

654
00:15:38,757 --> 00:15:41,031
on the road.

655
00:15:41,031 --> 00:15:42,405
I mean, we

656
00:15:42,405 --> 00:15:43,635
could definitely

657
00:15:43,635 --> 00:15:44,793
plan something

658
00:15:44,793 --> 00:15:48,164
ahead. To

659
00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:49,600
limit the balls from flying

660
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,613
onto the road. Of course, there

661
00:15:52,613 --> 00:15:53,964
's a brick building on my side

662
00:15:53,964 --> 00:15:55,352
, you know, my

663
00:15:55,352 --> 00:15:57,110
building and stuff.

664
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:58,332
Perhaps this will

665
00:15:58,332 --> 00:15:59,573
help somewhat. The ball might

666
00:15:59,573 --> 00:16:00,867
hit a building

667
00:16:00,867 --> 00:16:02,160
and bounce off, you know,

668
00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,486
it might not stop

669
00:16:03,486 --> 00:16:04,481
it, you hit the

670
00:16:04,481 --> 00:16:05,642
wall and it goes

671
00:16:05,642 --> 00:16:07,734
back. Yes, I don't know. Hmm

672
00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,506
.

673
00:16:09,506 --> 00:16:10,752
I guess, theoretically, I

674
00:16:10,752 --> 00:16:11,998
hope people

675
00:16:11,998 --> 00:16:13,106
will be

676
00:16:13,106 --> 00:16:14,040
conscious enough to

677
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,391
understand that this is a

678
00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:16,533
putting course, not a

679
00:16:16,533 --> 00:16:18,172
driving range.

680
00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:19,480
Yes, that's right.

681
00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,899
Um, but...

682
00:16:20,899 --> 00:16:21,463
Okay.

683
00:16:21,463 --> 00:16:22,580
I mean, there are

684
00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:23,633
regular

685
00:16:23,633 --> 00:16:24,878
golf courses that border the

686
00:16:24,878 --> 00:16:26,079
roads. This summer

687
00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:26,945
my truck was

688
00:16:26,945 --> 00:16:27,727
hit while I was

689
00:16:27,727 --> 00:16:28,760
driving past a

690
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:29,792
golf course. So,

691
00:16:29,792 --> 00:16:31,235
there are risks, right?

692
00:16:31,235 --> 00:16:34,225
Of course. Good. Thank you.

693
00:16:34,225 --> 00:16:35,348
Mr. Pratt?

694
00:16:35,348 --> 00:16:37,724
Yes. Will there be a fence

695
00:16:37,724 --> 00:16:40,329
along the entrance to Vaha?

696
00:16:40,329 --> 00:16:41,704
Even if it's,

697
00:16:41,704 --> 00:16:43,192
you know, some kind of transparent

698
00:16:43,192 --> 00:16:44,580
fence.

699
00:16:44,580 --> 00:16:46,023
We can certainly

700
00:16:46,023 --> 00:16:48,284
predict this.

701
00:16:48,284 --> 00:16:49,486
Yes, I think...

702
00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:50,835
We don't have that at this time

703
00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:51,306
.

704
00:16:51,306 --> 00:16:52,772
I think that would be a

705
00:16:52,772 --> 00:16:53,823
good idea.

706
00:16:53,823 --> 00:16:55,049
Of course.

707
00:16:55,049 --> 00:16:56,289
Because otherwise people will

708
00:16:56,289 --> 00:16:57,250
just walk on

709
00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,150
your

710
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:59,359
golf course, not to mention the

711
00:16:59,359 --> 00:17:00,196
problem with the

712
00:17:00,196 --> 00:17:03,151
balls. Ahem.

713
00:17:03,151 --> 00:17:04,196
So, how do you stop

714
00:17:04,196 --> 00:17:05,868
people from just

715
00:17:05,898 --> 00:17:09,333
walking right through?

716
00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,836
Honestly, I thought

717
00:17:11,871 --> 00:17:12,934
it would just be

718
00:17:12,934 --> 00:17:17,909
open during business hours. But then,

719
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:18,789
when it's closed,

720
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:19,995
put up a chain with

721
00:17:19,995 --> 00:17:21,070
the words "private

722
00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:22,243
property" or something

723
00:17:22,243 --> 00:17:23,449
like that so people don't

724
00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:26,240
pass through.

725
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,193
Mhm. Well, I think

726
00:17:30,193 --> 00:17:31,338
some kind of

727
00:17:31,338 --> 00:17:33,471
fence is needed. Maybe

728
00:17:33,471 --> 00:17:34,641
decorative, but

729
00:17:34,641 --> 00:17:36,446
whatever.

730
00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:37,979
Thank you. Are there any other

731
00:17:37,979 --> 00:17:39,061
discussions regarding

732
00:17:39,061 --> 00:17:42,789
this proposal? Is there any

733
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:43,861
further consideration of

734
00:17:43,861 --> 00:17:45,030
that, if, you know,

735
00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:46,264
if there's going to be a fence or

736
00:17:46,264 --> 00:17:47,303
something like that, or

737
00:17:47,303 --> 00:17:48,894
any other

738
00:17:48,926 --> 00:17:50,225
landscaping considerations

739
00:17:50,225 --> 00:17:51,491
for this project, was that

740
00:17:51,491 --> 00:17:52,595
taken into account

741
00:17:52,595 --> 00:17:53,472
when we first

742
00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:54,738
looked at it a few

743
00:17:54,738 --> 00:17:58,571
years ago? There

744
00:17:58,571 --> 00:17:59,914
was nothing more

745
00:17:59,914 --> 00:18:06,175
. Of course. No

746
00:18:06,175 --> 00:18:07,275
other PC approvals,

747
00:18:07,275 --> 00:18:08,537
but this will require

748
00:18:08,537 --> 00:18:10,220
passing a

749
00:18:10,252 --> 00:18:12,952
development plan review. So, zero indentation for

750
00:18:12,952 --> 00:18:13,883
this property

751
00:18:13,883 --> 00:18:14,980
,

752
00:18:14,980 --> 00:18:16,924
correct? Right.

753
00:18:16,924 --> 00:18:17,966
That's right, in this

754
00:18:17,966 --> 00:18:19,227
area. So, if

755
00:18:19,227 --> 00:18:19,956
they want to

756
00:18:19,956 --> 00:18:20,966
install a fence

757
00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:22,033
or other structure,

758
00:18:22,033 --> 00:18:23,099
we will consider it

759
00:18:23,099 --> 00:18:24,137
during the development plan review

760
00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:26,321
.

761
00:18:26,321 --> 00:18:28,879
Of course. Deputy

762
00:18:28,879 --> 00:18:31,289
Mayor Bulow. I

763
00:18:31,289 --> 00:18:32,614
may have a different

764
00:18:32,614 --> 00:18:33,973
perspective on it, but I

765
00:18:33,973 --> 00:18:35,779
really like it.

766
00:18:35,779 --> 00:18:36,873
This will revitalize the

767
00:18:36,873 --> 00:18:37,843
city center and add

768
00:18:37,843 --> 00:18:38,875
more entertainment for

769
00:18:38,875 --> 00:18:40,227
people. If you

770
00:18:40,227 --> 00:18:41,325
notice people

771
00:18:41,325 --> 00:18:42,559
going where they're not

772
00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:43,930
allowed, I think you'll

773
00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:45,027
address it if you

774
00:18:45,027 --> 00:18:46,124
see people

775
00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:46,913
abusing

776
00:18:46,913 --> 00:18:48,250
the situation or, you know,

777
00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:49,107
trying

778
00:18:49,107 --> 00:18:50,478
to see how far

779
00:18:50,478 --> 00:18:51,678
they can kick the

780
00:18:51,678 --> 00:18:52,394
ball. I can

781
00:18:52,394 --> 00:18:53,504
share my experience:

782
00:18:53,504 --> 00:18:54,557
Pirate's Cove in

783
00:18:54,557 --> 00:18:55,411
Wisconsin Dells is

784
00:18:55,411 --> 00:18:56,345
quite large. I

785
00:18:56,345 --> 00:18:57,294
somehow knocked the ball

786
00:18:57,294 --> 00:18:58,508
out of there onto the road. It

787
00:18:58,508 --> 00:18:59,281
was when I was

788
00:18:59,281 --> 00:19:00,320
young and very stupid

789
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,119
, I was kicked out, and rightfully so

790
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,179
.

791
00:19:02,179 --> 00:19:03,185
This is how they dealt with it

792
00:19:03,185 --> 00:19:04,397
. But you

793
00:19:04,397 --> 00:19:05,400
can't stop

794
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,653
people who act

795
00:19:06,653 --> 00:19:07,859
like idiots. The only thing you

796
00:19:07,859 --> 00:19:08,877
can do is

797
00:19:08,877 --> 00:19:09,546
try

798
00:19:09,546 --> 00:19:10,756
to set the best

799
00:19:10,756 --> 00:19:12,086
possible rules. So

800
00:19:12,086 --> 00:19:13,310
I think it's just a

801
00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:14,474
great use of an

802
00:19:14,474 --> 00:19:15,668
empty alley

803
00:19:15,668 --> 00:19:17,504
that will now become a

804
00:19:17,535 --> 00:19:18,768
mini golf course downtown.

805
00:19:18,768 --> 00:19:20,254
So, I will vote

806
00:19:20,254 --> 00:19:21,837
"yes".

807
00:19:21,837 --> 00:19:22,664
Are there any other

808
00:19:22,664 --> 00:19:23,767
discussions regarding

809
00:19:23,767 --> 00:19:25,497
this proposal? Mrs.

810
00:19:25,497 --> 00:19:26,046
Propp.

811
00:19:26,046 --> 00:19:28,666
Yes. Can we

812
00:19:28,666 --> 00:19:29,796
demand the construction of a

813
00:19:29,796 --> 00:19:30,960
fence or some

814
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,637
other barrier? Or not.

815
00:19:36,637 --> 00:19:37,795
This review

816
00:19:37,795 --> 00:19:38,954
only covers the design of the building

817
00:19:38,954 --> 00:19:39,976
and covered patio. The

818
00:19:39,976 --> 00:19:40,560
direct

819
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,355
use of the

820
00:19:41,355 --> 00:19:42,033
golf course will

821
00:19:42,033 --> 00:19:42,617
be decided

822
00:19:42,617 --> 00:19:43,342
administratively

823
00:19:43,342 --> 00:19:44,043
through a

824
00:19:44,043 --> 00:19:45,047
development plan review. So as

825
00:19:45,047 --> 00:19:45,610
long as they

826
00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:46,828
comply with the code

827
00:19:46,828 --> 00:19:48,423
, we will approve it.

828
00:19:48,423 --> 00:19:49,529
Do we have regulations for

829
00:19:49,529 --> 00:19:50,466
urban

830
00:19:50,466 --> 00:19:50,935
golf courses? I

831
00:19:50,935 --> 00:19:51,980
don't think we have

832
00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:53,144
anything specific about

833
00:19:53,144 --> 00:19:54,250
this. That's it.

834
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:54,897
OK.

835
00:19:54,897 --> 00:19:56,760
Good. Thank you.

836
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,006
My comment is that the

837
00:19:58,006 --> 00:19:59,252
city already has a

838
00:19:59,252 --> 00:20:00,530
formal

839
00:20:00,530 --> 00:20:01,776
complaint

840
00:20:01,776 --> 00:20:03,509
and review process in place. So if

841
00:20:03,509 --> 00:20:04,440
golf balls

842
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,681
fly into the street,

843
00:20:05,681 --> 00:20:06,891
a complaint will be filed and the

844
00:20:06,891 --> 00:20:08,069
appropriate city

845
00:20:08,069 --> 00:20:09,279
department will deal with

846
00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,654
it. And if

847
00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:12,839
intervention is needed, it will be

848
00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:13,651
discussed with

849
00:20:13,651 --> 00:20:17,116
the owner. So I believe

850
00:20:17,116 --> 00:20:18,564
that such a process is already

851
00:20:18,564 --> 00:20:21,008
in place. So I

852
00:20:21,008 --> 00:20:21,919
agree with

853
00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:23,039
Deputy Mayor

854
00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:24,807
Bulow and support this. Is

855
00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:26,085
there any further discussion

856
00:20:26,085 --> 00:20:27,949
on the proposal?

857
00:20:27,949 --> 00:20:29,219
Okay, I don't see any other

858
00:20:29,219 --> 00:20:30,524
questions. Please,

859
00:20:30,524 --> 00:20:31,590
let's hold a roll call

860
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:32,372
vote.

861
00:20:32,372 --> 00:20:32,999
Bulow.

862
00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:34,050
By.

863
00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:34,753
Sherman.

864
00:20:34,753 --> 00:20:35,512
By.

865
00:20:35,512 --> 00:20:36,145
Propp.

866
00:20:36,145 --> 00:20:36,787
By.

867
00:20:36,787 --> 00:20:37,497
Polenz.

868
00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:38,119
By.

869
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:38,857
Kieffer.

870
00:20:38,857 --> 00:20:39,637
By.

871
00:20:39,637 --> 00:20:40,294
Bet.

872
00:20:40,294 --> 00:20:40,717
By.

873
00:20:40,717 --> 00:20:42,714
The decision was made 6-0.

874
00:20:42,714 --> 00:20:44,044
Thank you. Item number

875
00:20:44,044 --> 00:20:44,920
six—review and

876
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,050
provide recommendations

877
00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:47,011
on the master

878
00:20:47,011 --> 00:20:47,802
plan for the development of a

879
00:20:47,802 --> 00:20:48,848
new outdoor restaurant and

880
00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:49,498
commercial

881
00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:51,193
entertainment area at:

882
00:20:52,324 --> 00:20:53,580
1000 Pioneer Drive. Have

883
00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:56,077
inspections of the facility been conducted?

884
00:20:56,077 --> 00:20:56,923
Thank you.

885
00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:58,240
Okay, that's on the

886
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,380
record. I also

887
00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:00,063
accept the

888
00:21:00,063 --> 00:21:01,171
staff report as part of the

889
00:21:01,171 --> 00:21:02,371
minutes. Please

890
00:21:02,371 --> 00:21:03,312
submit your

891
00:21:03,312 --> 00:21:03,795
resume.

892
00:21:03,795 --> 00:21:05,280
Thank you. So, the facility

893
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,338
is located on

894
00:21:06,338 --> 00:21:07,431
Pioneer Island at

895
00:21:07,431 --> 00:21:09,130
the mouth of the Fox River. It

896
00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:10,211
has water access on

897
00:21:10,211 --> 00:21:11,415
three sides and borders

898
00:21:11,415 --> 00:21:12,651
public lands

899
00:21:12,651 --> 00:21:13,608
on the north and

900
00:21:13,608 --> 00:21:14,658
south ends of

901
00:21:14,658 --> 00:21:15,400
the island, and the

902
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,604
property includes an existing

903
00:21:16,604 --> 00:21:17,253
tiki bar and

904
00:21:17,253 --> 00:21:18,025
parking

905
00:21:18,025 --> 00:21:18,828
lot from the

906
00:21:18,828 --> 00:21:20,063
previous

907
00:21:20,063 --> 00:21:22,127
Pioneer Inn resort. The applicant

908
00:21:22,127 --> 00:21:23,375
plans to build a

909
00:21:23,375 --> 00:21:24,527
restaurant on the site,

910
00:21:24,527 --> 00:21:24,879
as well as

911
00:21:24,879 --> 00:21:26,031
use it

912
00:21:26,031 --> 00:21:26,991
for commercial

913
00:21:26,991 --> 00:21:28,143
outdoor entertainment;

914
00:21:28,143 --> 00:21:28,975
this will include

915
00:21:28,975 --> 00:21:29,775
use of the

916
00:21:29,775 --> 00:21:30,991
existing tiki bar,

917
00:21:30,991 --> 00:21:32,079
seating and

918
00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:32,847
game areas, and

919
00:21:32,847 --> 00:21:33,615
an amphitheater with a

920
00:21:33,615 --> 00:21:34,703
temporary tent

921
00:21:34,703 --> 00:21:35,695
for concerts and

922
00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:36,527
weddings, which

923
00:21:36,527 --> 00:21:37,551
will be

924
00:21:37,551 --> 00:21:38,447
converted into a

925
00:21:38,447 --> 00:21:40,223
permanent structure in the future.

926
00:21:40,223 --> 00:21:41,433
The first phase of development

927
00:21:41,433 --> 00:21:42,364
will include a new

928
00:21:42,364 --> 00:21:44,505
accessory building,

929
00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:46,646
outdoor recreation and activity areas, and the

930
00:21:46,646 --> 00:21:47,825
proposed building

931
00:21:47,825 --> 00:21:48,787
will support the

932
00:21:48,787 --> 00:21:49,904
tiki bar and

933
00:21:49,904 --> 00:21:50,649
outdoor areas with

934
00:21:50,649 --> 00:21:51,487
fixed

935
00:21:51,487 --> 00:21:52,232
restrooms,

936
00:21:52,232 --> 00:21:53,411
cold storage,

937
00:21:53,411 --> 00:21:54,280
and storage

938
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,476
space.

939
00:21:55,476 --> 00:21:56,352
Future phases of

940
00:21:56,352 --> 00:21:56,884
development

941
00:21:56,884 --> 00:21:57,667
will include

942
00:21:57,667 --> 00:21:58,794
construction of a new

943
00:21:58,794 --> 00:21:59,420
restaurant, a

944
00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:00,673
permanent

945
00:22:00,673 --> 00:22:01,393
event facility, an

946
00:22:01,393 --> 00:22:02,551
amphitheater and new

947
00:22:02,551 --> 00:22:04,119
parking. The facility

948
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,241
will use the

949
00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:06,331
existing bridge

950
00:22:06,331 --> 00:22:07,486
access to the site from the

951
00:22:07,486 --> 00:22:09,158
Pioneer Drive side. There

952
00:22:09,158 --> 00:22:10,163
is also existing

953
00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:11,428
pedestrian access to the

954
00:22:11,428 --> 00:22:12,304
site from the

955
00:22:12,304 --> 00:22:15,630
pier to the south.

956
00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:17,202
According to regulations, the

957
00:22:17,202 --> 00:22:18,654
overall project

958
00:22:18,654 --> 00:22:19,500
requires 360

959
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,113
parking spaces, and

960
00:22:21,113 --> 00:22:22,726
the plan provides for 341

961
00:22:22,726 --> 00:22:25,133
spaces. Therefore, the applicant

962
00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:26,318
requests permission to

963
00:22:26,318 --> 00:22:27,443
reduce the number of

964
00:22:27,443 --> 00:22:28,510
parking spaces

965
00:22:28,510 --> 00:22:29,161
compared to

966
00:22:29,161 --> 00:22:29,902
regulatory

967
00:22:29,902 --> 00:22:31,032
requirements. The applicant

968
00:22:31,032 --> 00:22:31,988
noted that there

969
00:22:31,988 --> 00:22:33,012
are 60

970
00:22:33,012 --> 00:22:34,275
parking spaces on Pioneer Drive,

971
00:22:34,275 --> 00:22:35,640
the facility has pedestrian

972
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,460
access via a

973
00:22:36,460 --> 00:22:37,791
road bridge and

974
00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:39,122
from the pier to the south,

975
00:22:39,122 --> 00:22:40,316
and 28

976
00:22:40,316 --> 00:22:41,545
boat moorings

977
00:22:41,545 --> 00:22:43,078
for visitors.

978
00:22:43,078 --> 00:22:43,953
Staff have no

979
00:22:43,953 --> 00:22:44,859
objection to

980
00:22:44,859 --> 00:22:45,493
a slight

981
00:22:45,493 --> 00:22:46,127
reduction in

982
00:22:46,127 --> 00:22:47,305
parking spaces, as

983
00:22:47,305 --> 00:22:48,030
there is the option

984
00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:48,784
to use

985
00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:49,962
street parking

986
00:22:49,962 --> 00:22:51,170
, as well as pedestrian and

987
00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:52,287
water access for

988
00:22:52,287 --> 00:22:53,620
customers.

989
00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:54,654
Additional

990
00:22:54,654 --> 00:22:55,458
permits (BSM) will be required to

991
00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:57,583
increase the shoreline setback

992
00:22:57,612 --> 00:22:58,502
for the restaurant and

993
00:22:58,502 --> 00:22:59,593
reduce the

994
00:22:59,593 --> 00:23:00,685
shoreline and side setbacks

995
00:23:00,685 --> 00:23:01,633
for the existing

996
00:23:01,633 --> 00:23:02,408
parking

997
00:23:02,408 --> 00:23:03,155
lot to

998
00:23:03,155 --> 00:23:04,295
the north. Staff has

999
00:23:04,295 --> 00:23:05,376
no objections to

1000
00:23:05,376 --> 00:23:06,428
increasing the

1001
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:07,398
waterfront setback for the

1002
00:23:07,398 --> 00:23:08,063
restaurant and

1003
00:23:08,063 --> 00:23:09,061
decreasing the

1004
00:23:09,061 --> 00:23:10,030
waterfront setback for

1005
00:23:10,030 --> 00:23:11,111
parking, as

1006
00:23:11,111 --> 00:23:11,748
the site is not a

1007
00:23:11,748 --> 00:23:12,385
traditional

1008
00:23:12,385 --> 00:23:13,023
waterfront

1009
00:23:13,023 --> 00:23:13,577
property,

1010
00:23:13,577 --> 00:23:14,297
functions as a

1011
00:23:14,297 --> 00:23:15,239
separate island

1012
00:23:15,239 --> 00:23:15,987
property, and has no

1013
00:23:15,987 --> 00:23:17,788
adjacent development to

1014
00:23:17,816 --> 00:23:18,840
compare to.

1015
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,691
Staff also has no

1016
00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:20,485
objection to the

1017
00:23:20,485 --> 00:23:21,506
reduced lateral

1018
00:23:21,506 --> 00:23:22,357
setback along the

1019
00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:23,463
state lot on the

1020
00:23:23,463 --> 00:23:24,314
northern edge of

1021
00:23:24,314 --> 00:23:25,222
the property, as

1022
00:23:25,222 --> 00:23:25,874
it borders a

1023
00:23:25,874 --> 00:23:26,923
small area

1024
00:23:26,923 --> 00:23:27,774
unsuitable for

1025
00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:29,312
development. The applicant

1026
00:23:29,312 --> 00:23:30,616
provided a conceptual

1027
00:23:30,616 --> 00:23:31,595
plan for landscaping the

1028
00:23:31,595 --> 00:23:32,869
area. It

1029
00:23:32,869 --> 00:23:33,988
showcases a mix of

1030
00:23:33,988 --> 00:23:35,106
tall trees and shrubs

1031
00:23:35,106 --> 00:23:35,861
within and

1032
00:23:35,861 --> 00:23:36,895
around the new parking lot

1033
00:23:36,895 --> 00:23:37,622
, as well as

1034
00:23:37,622 --> 00:23:38,042
around the

1035
00:23:38,042 --> 00:23:38,852
proposed

1036
00:23:38,852 --> 00:23:39,943
restaurant building and

1037
00:23:39,943 --> 00:23:40,826
seating areas.

1038
00:23:40,826 --> 00:23:41,851
The applicant is requesting a

1039
00:23:41,851 --> 00:23:42,849
BSM to allow the

1040
00:23:42,849 --> 00:23:43,902
current

1041
00:23:43,902 --> 00:23:44,650
parking

1042
00:23:44,650 --> 00:23:45,426
lot to exist without the

1043
00:23:45,426 --> 00:23:46,092
required

1044
00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:46,729
landscape

1045
00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:47,672
islands, and the

1046
00:23:47,672 --> 00:23:48,642
east and west

1047
00:23:48,642 --> 00:23:49,307
rows of the new

1048
00:23:49,307 --> 00:23:49,972
parking lot to exist without the

1049
00:23:49,972 --> 00:23:50,637
required

1050
00:23:50,637 --> 00:23:52,879
intermediate islands.

1051
00:23:52,879 --> 00:23:53,858
Final

1052
00:23:53,858 --> 00:23:54,708
landscaping plans and

1053
00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:55,949
related BSM requests

1054
00:23:55,949 --> 00:23:57,223
will be considered as

1055
00:23:57,223 --> 00:23:58,333
part of the SIP submission

1056
00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:00,185
for each phase.

1057
00:24:00,185 --> 00:24:00,972
The applicant provided

1058
00:24:00,972 --> 00:24:02,152
preliminary facades for the

1059
00:24:02,152 --> 00:24:03,030
proposed

1060
00:24:03,030 --> 00:24:04,120
accessory building

1061
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:04,846
and future

1062
00:24:04,846 --> 00:24:05,664
two-story

1063
00:24:05,664 --> 00:24:07,384
restaurants.

1064
00:24:07,415 --> 00:24:08,685
Coastal Development District standards

1065
00:24:08,685 --> 00:24:09,543
require that

1066
00:24:09,543 --> 00:24:10,686
commercial buildings

1067
00:24:10,686 --> 00:24:11,892
include at least

1068
00:24:11,892 --> 00:24:13,130
70% first-

1069
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:14,368
class materials on all facades

1070
00:24:14,368 --> 00:24:15,575
, and a minimum of 25% of the

1071
00:24:15,575 --> 00:24:16,813
first-floor facades must

1072
00:24:16,813 --> 00:24:17,924
be dedicated to

1073
00:24:17,924 --> 00:24:19,476
windows. Facades for the

1074
00:24:19,476 --> 00:24:20,442
proposed

1075
00:24:20,442 --> 00:24:21,441
buildings will be

1076
00:24:21,441 --> 00:24:22,606
considered within the

1077
00:24:22,606 --> 00:24:23,904
SIP submission for each

1078
00:24:23,904 --> 00:24:25,203
phase, and here are preliminary

1079
00:24:25,203 --> 00:24:26,035
renderings of the

1080
00:24:26,035 --> 00:24:30,022
restaurant. And now—

1081
00:24:30,022 --> 00:24:31,011
for the auxiliary

1082
00:24:31,011 --> 00:24:33,767
building. Staff

1083
00:24:33,767 --> 00:24:34,460
recommends

1084
00:24:34,460 --> 00:24:35,713
approval of the GDP in accordance

1085
00:24:35,713 --> 00:24:36,669
with the findings and

1086
00:24:36,669 --> 00:24:37,988
conditions set forth in

1087
00:24:37,988 --> 00:24:41,343
the report.

1088
00:24:41,343 --> 00:24:42,551
Thank you very much for your

1089
00:24:42,551 --> 00:24:43,575
report.

1090
00:24:43,575 --> 00:24:44,546
Planning Commission, are there any

1091
00:24:44,546 --> 00:24:45,712
technical questions

1092
00:24:45,712 --> 00:24:48,855
for the staff? Mr.

1093
00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:49,427
[ __ ].

1094
00:24:49,427 --> 00:24:50,542
The island is just one

1095
00:24:50,542 --> 00:24:51,612
area, right?

1096
00:24:51,612 --> 00:24:52,079
That is, one

1097
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:52,921
developer owns the

1098
00:24:52,921 --> 00:24:53,622
entire island, do I

1099
00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:54,518
understand correctly?

1100
00:24:54,518 --> 00:24:55,192
Right.

1101
00:24:55,192 --> 00:24:56,639
Thank you.

1102
00:24:56,639 --> 00:24:59,117
Vice Chairman Kiper.

1103
00:24:59,117 --> 00:25:00,610
Um, I saw in the CIP plans a

1104
00:25:00,610 --> 00:25:01,581
promenade for

1105
00:25:01,581 --> 00:25:02,515
cycling

1106
00:25:02,515 --> 00:25:03,859
around the

1107
00:25:03,859 --> 00:25:05,092
island, if I'm not

1108
00:25:05,092 --> 00:25:08,140
mistaken. So does this

1109
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:09,432
remain in effect, and is there nothing being

1110
00:25:09,432 --> 00:25:11,452
built to

1111
00:25:11,485 --> 00:25:12,810
prevent this, or is this still

1112
00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:14,381
in the plans? Ahem. That

1113
00:25:14,381 --> 00:25:15,687
's right, it's still in the

1114
00:25:15,687 --> 00:25:16,212
plans.

1115
00:25:16,212 --> 00:25:17,585
OK. And later it

1116
00:25:17,585 --> 00:25:18,711
will go around the

1117
00:25:18,711 --> 00:25:19,630
entire island and

1118
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:20,549
return back

1119
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:26,751
to the pier.

1120
00:25:26,751 --> 00:25:27,710
We are still in

1121
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:28,957
negotiations with various

1122
00:25:28,957 --> 00:25:30,204
partners regarding this

1123
00:25:30,204 --> 00:25:31,483
agreement, so the materials

1124
00:25:31,483 --> 00:25:33,433
or exact route have not yet been

1125
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,456
finalized, but the

1126
00:25:34,456 --> 00:25:36,137
work is ongoing.

1127
00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:37,649
Of course. I know

1128
00:25:37,649 --> 00:25:38,611
this has been a big

1129
00:25:38,611 --> 00:25:39,906
problem from the very

1130
00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:40,769
beginning of this

1131
00:25:40,769 --> 00:25:42,960
project. This is land

1132
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,146
next to water, what

1133
00:25:44,146 --> 00:25:45,035
could be

1134
00:25:45,035 --> 00:25:46,188
done with it and what

1135
00:25:46,188 --> 00:25:46,847
could be

1136
00:25:46,847 --> 00:25:47,968
built on it, so I'm

1137
00:25:47,968 --> 00:25:48,989
a little worried about

1138
00:25:48,989 --> 00:25:52,788
that. Are

1139
00:25:52,788 --> 00:25:53,661
there any other

1140
00:25:53,661 --> 00:25:56,774
technical questions?

1141
00:25:56,774 --> 00:25:57,600
Um, I see a

1142
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,702
lot of

1143
00:25:58,702 --> 00:25:59,838
waterproof

1144
00:25:59,838 --> 00:26:00,989
coating being added. How is this

1145
00:26:00,989 --> 00:26:02,604
issue resolved? The

1146
00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:03,618
engineering department

1147
00:26:03,618 --> 00:26:04,812
will look into this from a

1148
00:26:04,812 --> 00:26:06,006
stormwater management perspective

1149
00:26:06,006 --> 00:26:06,691
.

1150
00:26:06,691 --> 00:26:09,923
Good. Are there any other

1151
00:26:09,923 --> 00:26:12,586
technical questions? I don't

1152
00:26:12,586 --> 00:26:13,243
see it, so I'm

1153
00:26:13,243 --> 00:26:14,198
opening a

1154
00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:14,945
public

1155
00:26:14,945 --> 00:26:16,115
comment period. I ask

1156
00:26:16,115 --> 00:26:17,407
the applicant to speak

1157
00:26:17,407 --> 00:26:18,611
if he wishes. Is

1158
00:26:18,611 --> 00:26:19,810
the applicant present and does

1159
00:26:19,810 --> 00:26:21,041
he wish to make a

1160
00:26:21,041 --> 00:26:22,293
statement? Please come to the

1161
00:26:22,293 --> 00:26:23,360
podium and write down

1162
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,427
your name and address

1163
00:26:24,427 --> 00:26:25,580
for our records

1164
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:30,386
.

1165
00:26:30,386 --> 00:26:33,457
I am Chet Weisenberg, Architects

1166
00:26:33,457 --> 00:26:35,097
, 531 North Main Street;

1167
00:26:35,097 --> 00:26:35,981
I am the applicant and

1168
00:26:35,981 --> 00:26:37,664
represent the owner of

1169
00:26:37,664 --> 00:26:39,594
the property. I don't have an

1170
00:26:39,594 --> 00:26:40,871
official statement, but

1171
00:26:40,871 --> 00:26:42,183
I'm ready to answer

1172
00:26:42,183 --> 00:26:43,528
any questions I

1173
00:26:43,528 --> 00:26:45,206
can.

1174
00:26:45,206 --> 00:26:46,901
Thank you. Are there any members of

1175
00:26:46,901 --> 00:26:48,057
the public who would like

1176
00:26:48,057 --> 00:26:48,849
to speak or

1177
00:26:48,849 --> 00:26:49,913
make a statement regarding

1178
00:26:49,913 --> 00:26:51,100
this agenda item

1179
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,903
? Is there anyone from

1180
00:26:53,903 --> 00:26:54,947
the public who

1181
00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:56,051
would like to make a statement

1182
00:26:56,051 --> 00:26:57,036
regarding this

1183
00:26:57,036 --> 00:27:00,024
agenda item?

1184
00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:01,048
Okay, I don't

1185
00:27:01,048 --> 00:27:02,102
see anyone, so I'm closing the

1186
00:27:02,102 --> 00:27:03,214
public

1187
00:27:03,214 --> 00:27:04,512
comment period. Would you like to

1188
00:27:04,512 --> 00:27:05,632
make a closing

1189
00:27:05,632 --> 00:27:07,005
statement? He

1190
00:27:07,005 --> 00:27:08,048
refuses.

1191
00:27:08,048 --> 00:27:09,271
Okay, Planning

1192
00:27:09,271 --> 00:27:10,329
Commission, it's your turn for

1193
00:27:10,329 --> 00:27:11,539
action.

1194
00:27:11,539 --> 00:27:11,931
I propose

1195
00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:12,554
to recommend

1196
00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:13,246
approval of this

1197
00:27:13,246 --> 00:27:13,892
agenda item

1198
00:27:13,892 --> 00:27:14,746
and to adopt

1199
00:27:14,746 --> 00:27:15,208
the conclusions and

1200
00:27:15,208 --> 00:27:15,808
recommendations

1201
00:27:15,808 --> 00:27:16,569
set forth in the

1202
00:27:16,569 --> 00:27:17,108
staff report. I

1203
00:27:17,108 --> 00:27:17,890
support.

1204
00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:19,075
We have an offer and

1205
00:27:19,075 --> 00:27:20,314
support. Are there any

1206
00:27:20,314 --> 00:27:21,260
discussions regarding

1207
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:22,566
this proposal? Miss

1208
00:27:22,566 --> 00:27:23,078
Prop.

1209
00:27:23,078 --> 00:27:24,382
I also have a question

1210
00:27:24,382 --> 00:27:26,194
for you. You know what?

1211
00:27:26,194 --> 00:27:27,222
Today is my

1212
00:27:27,222 --> 00:27:28,596
question day. Um, as we

1213
00:27:28,596 --> 00:27:29,997
all know, the

1214
00:27:29,997 --> 00:27:31,118
Pioneer facility gets

1215
00:27:31,118 --> 00:27:32,274
more attention from the public than

1216
00:27:32,274 --> 00:27:33,640
probably any

1217
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,462
other place in Oshkosh

1218
00:27:35,497 --> 00:27:39,367
. And I

1219
00:27:39,367 --> 00:27:40,519
was pleased to see,

1220
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:41,704
during my attempt

1221
00:27:41,704 --> 00:27:42,692
to inspect the facility,

1222
00:27:42,692 --> 00:27:43,712
as it was

1223
00:27:43,712 --> 00:27:44,305
closed,

1224
00:27:44,305 --> 00:27:45,259
barricaded with

1225
00:27:45,259 --> 00:27:46,082
chains, that the

1226
00:27:46,082 --> 00:27:49,731
marina was thriving.

1227
00:27:49,731 --> 00:27:50,602
So I'm just thrilled

1228
00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:53,794
about it. Um,

1229
00:27:53,794 --> 00:27:55,084
but in my personal

1230
00:27:55,084 --> 00:27:56,517
opinion, and I think it's

1231
00:27:56,517 --> 00:27:57,951
shared by many,

1232
00:27:57,951 --> 00:27:58,739
this is a serious

1233
00:27:58,739 --> 00:27:59,958
underuse of what is

1234
00:27:59,958 --> 00:28:01,284
probably the most valuable

1235
00:28:01,284 --> 00:28:02,539
property on Lake

1236
00:28:02,539 --> 00:28:06,750
Winnebago. And I

1237
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:08,134
mean, it seems...

1238
00:28:08,134 --> 00:28:09,287
well, the restaurant is not

1239
00:28:09,287 --> 00:28:13,302
bad. It's definitely a

1240
00:28:13,302 --> 00:28:14,584
good use,

1241
00:28:14,584 --> 00:28:18,790
but everything else...it just

1242
00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:19,876
feels like we're not

1243
00:28:19,876 --> 00:28:21,061
using this

1244
00:28:21,061 --> 00:28:21,982
facility to its full

1245
00:28:21,982 --> 00:28:23,232
potential, which to

1246
00:28:23,232 --> 00:28:24,219
me would include

1247
00:28:24,219 --> 00:28:25,206
some kind of apartment

1248
00:28:25,206 --> 00:28:26,457
complex or a hotel

1249
00:28:26,457 --> 00:28:29,646
or something like that. Um,

1250
00:28:29,646 --> 00:28:30,988
and besides, I guess my

1251
00:28:30,988 --> 00:28:32,331
main concern

1252
00:28:32,331 --> 00:28:33,640
right now is

1253
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,646
that it's probably not

1254
00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:35,787
only the most valuable

1255
00:28:35,787 --> 00:28:36,794
property, but also the

1256
00:28:36,794 --> 00:28:38,002
most neglected

1257
00:28:38,002 --> 00:28:41,019
and shameful. We have to

1258
00:28:41,019 --> 00:28:42,473
admit that the bushes

1259
00:28:42,473 --> 00:28:43,382
have grown, and it

1260
00:28:43,382 --> 00:28:44,618
looks like

1261
00:28:44,618 --> 00:28:49,671
no one cares.

1262
00:28:49,671 --> 00:28:50,513
So are there any plans

1263
00:28:50,513 --> 00:28:51,680
to get those

1264
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,847
overgrown shrubs

1265
00:28:52,847 --> 00:28:54,111
along your side of

1266
00:28:54,111 --> 00:28:59,271
Pioneer Drive in order?

1267
00:28:59,271 --> 00:29:00,707
Well, I guess I would say that I

1268
00:29:00,707 --> 00:29:01,802
think the facility has improved a lot in the

1269
00:29:01,802 --> 00:29:04,183
last few years

1270
00:29:04,221 --> 00:29:05,413
. It is the

1271
00:29:05,413 --> 00:29:06,542
use of this

1272
00:29:06,542 --> 00:29:07,339
area and the

1273
00:29:07,339 --> 00:29:08,633
attraction of people there that

1274
00:29:08,633 --> 00:29:09,563
brings about improvements

1275
00:29:09,563 --> 00:29:11,227
every year. I saw it. I have

1276
00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:12,334
been working on this

1277
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:13,173
property with the

1278
00:29:13,173 --> 00:29:14,433
developer for 10

1279
00:29:14,433 --> 00:29:15,845
years. This is a very

1280
00:29:15,845 --> 00:29:16,962
complex area with

1281
00:29:16,962 --> 00:29:18,281
all sorts of problems

1282
00:29:18,281 --> 00:29:21,347
associated with it. And,

1283
00:29:21,347 --> 00:29:22,656
uh, I applaud what

1284
00:29:22,656 --> 00:29:23,965
they did with Tiki

1285
00:29:23,965 --> 00:29:25,419
Bar, bringing

1286
00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:26,692
people in and activating

1287
00:29:26,692 --> 00:29:28,405
that space. And I

1288
00:29:28,405 --> 00:29:29,454
think there are improvements every

1289
00:29:29,454 --> 00:29:30,599
year

1290
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,367
.

1291
00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:32,804
OK.

1292
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:34,016
And this is a step—this is the first

1293
00:29:34,016 --> 00:29:35,294
step, uh, to get

1294
00:29:35,294 --> 00:29:36,245
more people

1295
00:29:36,245 --> 00:29:37,261
out, to get

1296
00:29:37,261 --> 00:29:38,211
more people into the

1297
00:29:38,211 --> 00:29:39,939
Pioneer Islands.

1298
00:29:39,939 --> 00:29:41,285
Personally, I think this is a

1299
00:29:41,285 --> 00:29:42,287
good step

1300
00:29:42,287 --> 00:29:42,836
forward.

1301
00:29:42,836 --> 00:29:43,477
OK.

1302
00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:44,743
And this will be—the overall

1303
00:29:44,743 --> 00:29:45,976
development plan

1304
00:29:45,976 --> 00:29:47,649
will also be phased. So,

1305
00:29:47,649 --> 00:29:48,443
as

1306
00:29:48,443 --> 00:29:49,403
Brian seems to have hinted, the

1307
00:29:49,403 --> 00:29:50,362
first phase is an

1308
00:29:50,362 --> 00:29:51,487
auxiliary building

1309
00:29:51,487 --> 00:29:52,644
to support the Tiki

1310
00:29:52,644 --> 00:29:53,438
Bar, as well as

1311
00:29:53,438 --> 00:29:55,588
creating all the, uh,

1312
00:29:55,622 --> 00:29:56,349
recreational activities,

1313
00:29:56,349 --> 00:29:57,242
improving the

1314
00:29:57,242 --> 00:29:58,566
landscaping,

1315
00:29:58,566 --> 00:29:59,393
and kind of

1316
00:29:59,393 --> 00:30:00,650
gentrifying this whole

1317
00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:01,576
southern

1318
00:30:01,576 --> 00:30:02,833
half of the island, or

1319
00:30:02,833 --> 00:30:03,891
southern quarter of the

1320
00:30:03,891 --> 00:30:05,249
island, let's say.

1321
00:30:05,249 --> 00:30:06,337
And then the second phase

1322
00:30:06,337 --> 00:30:07,316
will be the restaurant, which

1323
00:30:07,316 --> 00:30:08,350
we—you can see

1324
00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:09,108
the blueprints. We

1325
00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:10,101
are working on it and

1326
00:30:10,101 --> 00:30:11,109
it is developing. We have

1327
00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:11,761
weekly

1328
00:30:11,761 --> 00:30:12,596
meetings

1329
00:30:12,596 --> 00:30:13,483
to design the

1330
00:30:13,483 --> 00:30:14,664
restaurant. So, this

1331
00:30:14,664 --> 00:30:16,288
will be, uh, the second phase.

1332
00:30:16,288 --> 00:30:17,086
We hope

1333
00:30:17,086 --> 00:30:17,980
to launch it

1334
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:19,021
within the year. And

1335
00:30:19,021 --> 00:30:21,556
then, uh, after that, there's the

1336
00:30:21,592 --> 00:30:24,845
event center. And we're

1337
00:30:24,845 --> 00:30:26,053
leaving the northern

1338
00:30:26,053 --> 00:30:27,060
part of the site

1339
00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:28,235
free for another

1340
00:30:28,235 --> 00:30:29,242
developer, or

1341
00:30:29,242 --> 00:30:30,350
maybe for me,

1342
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:31,558
maybe for someone

1343
00:30:31,558 --> 00:30:32,800
else, to come in and

1344
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,605
do something

1345
00:30:33,605 --> 00:30:34,948
beautiful that will

1346
00:30:34,948 --> 00:30:38,149
benefit the city. And I

1347
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:39,183
can say on

1348
00:30:39,183 --> 00:30:40,318
behalf of the owner, it

1349
00:30:40,318 --> 00:30:41,519
was—it was their

1350
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:42,754
desire from the

1351
00:30:42,754 --> 00:30:43,888
beginning—to create

1352
00:30:43,888 --> 00:30:44,856
something great for

1353
00:30:44,856 --> 00:30:46,343
Oshkosh.

1354
00:30:46,343 --> 00:30:47,080
OK.

1355
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,461
They are working on it

1356
00:30:48,461 --> 00:30:48,597
.

1357
00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:50,684
OK. Uh, and this

1358
00:30:50,684 --> 00:30:51,997
improvement, let's call

1359
00:30:51,997 --> 00:30:52,990
it a giant

1360
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:58,116
parking lot. Uh, it

1361
00:30:58,116 --> 00:30:58,858
won't interfere with

1362
00:30:58,858 --> 00:30:59,938
further

1363
00:30:59,938 --> 00:31:01,186
development plans, you know,

1364
00:31:01,186 --> 00:31:02,265
whatever's in

1365
00:31:02,265 --> 00:31:05,213
someone's mind, uh.

1366
00:31:05,213 --> 00:31:06,989
This will probably happen. This will

1367
00:31:06,989 --> 00:31:08,457
probably happen. But

1368
00:31:08,457 --> 00:31:09,603
the parking lot that we

1369
00:31:09,603 --> 00:31:10,303
show in the

1370
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:11,384
southern part of the

1371
00:31:11,384 --> 00:31:12,498
site will appear, it

1372
00:31:12,498 --> 00:31:13,293
will be new and

1373
00:31:13,293 --> 00:31:14,248
improved, and it

1374
00:31:14,248 --> 00:31:15,075
will work with the

1375
00:31:15,075 --> 00:31:16,284
southern half of the

1376
00:31:16,284 --> 00:31:17,662
site. In the northern

1377
00:31:17,662 --> 00:31:18,913
part, we plan to

1378
00:31:18,913 --> 00:31:19,556
temporarily

1379
00:31:19,556 --> 00:31:20,909
improve the existing

1380
00:31:20,909 --> 00:31:22,772
parking lot. So it's a kind of

1381
00:31:22,804 --> 00:31:23,922
land storage.

1382
00:31:23,922 --> 00:31:24,965
It will not remain

1383
00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:26,367
a parking lot. This is not the

1384
00:31:26,367 --> 00:31:26,939
goal.

1385
00:31:26,939 --> 00:31:28,211
Oh, okay. I didn't—I

1386
00:31:28,211 --> 00:31:29,331
misunderstood

1387
00:31:29,331 --> 00:31:29,460
.

1388
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:30,459
This—this—this.

1389
00:31:30,459 --> 00:31:31,641
I couldn't—I couldn't.

1390
00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:32,985
This is a restoration of what

1391
00:31:32,985 --> 00:31:33,616
is there.

1392
00:31:33,616 --> 00:31:34,687
It's hard to tell from

1393
00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:35,727
the diagram where the

1394
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:36,571
parking was on the

1395
00:31:36,571 --> 00:31:39,503
south edge.

1396
00:31:39,503 --> 00:31:40,285
Of course.

1397
00:31:40,285 --> 00:31:42,007
OK. What about

1398
00:31:42,007 --> 00:31:42,999
clearing away the

1399
00:31:42,999 --> 00:31:46,002
cluttered bushes?

1400
00:31:46,002 --> 00:31:47,428
Please. Please.

1401
00:31:47,428 --> 00:31:51,211
I can convey that. I, don't, uh, I don't know. We have

1402
00:31:51,211 --> 00:31:52,080
n't discussed

1403
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,007
plans for this,

1404
00:31:53,007 --> 00:31:53,876
except for the southern

1405
00:31:53,876 --> 00:31:55,051
part of the site. They

1406
00:31:55,051 --> 00:31:55,735
plan to add

1407
00:31:55,735 --> 00:31:56,897
a few more

1408
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,809
boat moorings and

1409
00:31:57,809 --> 00:31:58,676
definitely want to

1410
00:31:58,676 --> 00:31:59,346
tidy things up there.

1411
00:31:59,346 --> 00:32:01,446
Yes. Well, no. That's good.

1412
00:32:01,446 --> 00:32:02,653
But I'm concerned... What

1413
00:32:02,653 --> 00:32:03,860
really concerns me is

1414
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:04,932
those horrible

1415
00:32:04,932 --> 00:32:06,240
thickets on Pioneer Drive

1416
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,070
.

1417
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:07,621
Ugh.

1418
00:32:07,621 --> 00:32:08,768
Right off Pioneer

1419
00:32:08,768 --> 00:32:09,867
Drive. Because it

1420
00:32:09,867 --> 00:32:10,841
doesn't add any appeal at all

1421
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:12,315
.

1422
00:32:12,315 --> 00:32:13,369
You know, it

1423
00:32:13,369 --> 00:32:14,813
repels me. I was thinking, "

1424
00:32:14,813 --> 00:32:16,579
Where should I go? Do you know

1425
00:32:16,579 --> 00:32:18,558
where to look?" "Where should

1426
00:32:18,558 --> 00:32:19,773
I go?" So I...

1427
00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:20,832
If we can't

1428
00:32:20,832 --> 00:32:21,858
demand this from you

1429
00:32:21,858 --> 00:32:23,613
, I'll insist on it

1430
00:32:23,646 --> 00:32:25,851
. You and the

1431
00:32:25,851 --> 00:32:26,909
owner.

1432
00:32:26,909 --> 00:32:28,056
I'll pass it on.

1433
00:32:28,056 --> 00:32:29,331
Good. Thank you.

1434
00:32:29,331 --> 00:32:30,267
OK. Is there any further

1435
00:32:30,267 --> 00:32:31,158
discussion on this

1436
00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:32,137
issue? Mr. Polik,

1437
00:32:32,137 --> 00:32:32,878
do you want to

1438
00:32:32,878 --> 00:32:33,325
say something?

1439
00:32:33,325 --> 00:32:34,019
Uh, first a

1440
00:32:34,019 --> 00:32:35,298
comment. I haven't been there in

1441
00:32:35,298 --> 00:32:36,478
probably 8 years. It

1442
00:32:36,478 --> 00:32:37,509
looks better than I

1443
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:38,435
remember from 8-10 years ago

1444
00:32:38,435 --> 00:32:39,580
. So,

1445
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:41,289
good job. Uh, in

1446
00:32:41,289 --> 00:32:42,272
your opinion, is there a

1447
00:32:42,272 --> 00:32:43,255
real chance in the

1448
00:32:43,255 --> 00:32:44,577
next decade

1449
00:32:44,577 --> 00:32:45,729
that

1450
00:32:45,729 --> 00:32:46,339
apartments,

1451
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,356
condominiums, or a

1452
00:32:47,356 --> 00:32:48,892
hotel will appear there? Is there a real

1453
00:32:48,892 --> 00:32:49,894
chance in the next

1454
00:32:49,894 --> 00:32:50,737
decade?

1455
00:32:50,737 --> 00:32:51,530
I really

1456
00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:52,840
hope so, Dan. I

1457
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,963
mean, a lot of

1458
00:32:53,963 --> 00:32:55,148
people are trying to make it happen

1459
00:32:55,148 --> 00:32:55,825
.

1460
00:32:55,825 --> 00:32:57,976
Good. Thank you. Is

1461
00:32:57,976 --> 00:32:59,234
there any further discussion on

1462
00:32:59,234 --> 00:33:03,675
this issue? Thank you.

1463
00:33:03,675 --> 00:33:05,085
I don't see anyone willing.

1464
00:33:05,085 --> 00:33:05,753
So, let's

1465
00:33:05,753 --> 00:33:06,715
have a roll call

1466
00:33:06,715 --> 00:33:07,597
vote,

1467
00:33:07,597 --> 00:33:07,992
please.

1468
00:33:07,992 --> 00:33:08,671
Bulow.

1469
00:33:08,671 --> 00:33:09,233
By.

1470
00:33:09,233 --> 00:33:09,852
Head.

1471
00:33:09,852 --> 00:33:10,495
By.

1472
00:33:10,495 --> 00:33:11,026
Crump.

1473
00:33:11,026 --> 00:33:11,745
By.

1474
00:33:11,745 --> 00:33:12,329
Pollock.

1475
00:33:12,329 --> 00:33:13,025
By.

1476
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:13,616
Kiefer.

1477
00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:14,225
By.

1478
00:33:14,225 --> 00:33:14,782
Perry.

1479
00:33:14,782 --> 00:33:15,203
By.

1480
00:33:15,203 --> 00:33:17,081
The proposal passed

1481
00:33:17,081 --> 00:33:17,379
6-0.

1482
00:33:17,379 --> 00:33:18,736
OK. Item number

1483
00:33:18,736 --> 00:33:19,634
seven—Review and

1484
00:33:19,634 --> 00:33:20,963
make recommendations

1485
00:33:20,963 --> 00:33:21,993
on an amendment to the

1486
00:33:21,993 --> 00:33:23,122
specific

1487
00:33:23,122 --> 00:33:24,053
implementation plan for the

1488
00:33:24,053 --> 00:33:25,415
open

1489
00:33:25,448 --> 00:33:27,542
storage site at

1490
00:33:27,575 --> 00:33:28,738
3815 Orion Street, Generac Power

1491
00:33:28,738 --> 00:33:30,041
Systems Building. Were

1492
00:33:30,041 --> 00:33:31,213
any inspections conducted at the

1493
00:33:31,213 --> 00:33:32,693
facility?

1494
00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:33,424
Thank you.

1495
00:33:33,424 --> 00:33:35,092
This is recorded

1496
00:33:35,092 --> 00:33:36,206
in the minutes. Uh, I'll

1497
00:33:36,206 --> 00:33:37,115
also accept the

1498
00:33:37,115 --> 00:33:38,190
staff report as part of

1499
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:39,265
the minutes, so

1500
00:33:39,265 --> 00:33:40,174
please submit

1501
00:33:40,174 --> 00:33:40,881
your resume.

1502
00:33:40,881 --> 00:33:42,437
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Er

1503
00:33:42,437 --> 00:33:44,090
, the facility consists

1504
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:46,506
of an existing

1505
00:33:46,548 --> 00:33:47,793
22.6-acre industrial site.

1506
00:33:47,793 --> 00:33:48,452
The site has

1507
00:33:48,452 --> 00:33:49,622
zoning for heavy

1508
00:33:49,622 --> 00:33:50,582
industry and a

1509
00:33:50,582 --> 00:33:51,551
development plan.

1510
00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:52,130
The property

1511
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:52,985
is located on the

1512
00:33:52,985 --> 00:33:54,084
northwest

1513
00:33:54,084 --> 00:33:55,182
corner of Oregon Street and

1514
00:33:55,182 --> 00:33:56,828
West Ripple Avenue. Uh,

1515
00:33:56,828 --> 00:33:58,126
existing structures

1516
00:33:58,126 --> 00:33:59,771
include a manufacturing

1517
00:33:59,771 --> 00:34:01,329
building, uh, a large

1518
00:34:01,329 --> 00:34:02,931
parking lot, a storage

1519
00:34:02,931 --> 00:34:04,056
pond, and

1520
00:34:04,056 --> 00:34:05,442
existing open

1521
00:34:05,442 --> 00:34:06,784
storage areas

1522
00:34:06,784 --> 00:34:08,342
approved in 2022 and

1523
00:34:08,342 --> 00:34:11,248
2024. The surrounding

1524
00:34:11,248 --> 00:34:12,355
area includes

1525
00:34:12,355 --> 00:34:13,332
institutional and

1526
00:34:13,332 --> 00:34:14,634
industrial facilities to

1527
00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:15,806
the north, residential and

1528
00:34:15,806 --> 00:34:17,076
undeveloped land to

1529
00:34:17,076 --> 00:34:18,151
the east and south, and an

1530
00:34:18,151 --> 00:34:19,258
industrial

1531
00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:22,291
facility to the west. This

1532
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:23,362
facility and the surrounding

1533
00:34:23,362 --> 00:34:23,961
area

1534
00:34:23,961 --> 00:34:25,126
are located within the

1535
00:34:25,126 --> 00:34:25,851
aviation

1536
00:34:25,851 --> 00:34:27,079
industrial park and

1537
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:27,898
consist of

1538
00:34:27,898 --> 00:34:30,579
industrial facilities. The

1539
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:31,851
2040 Comprehensive Land Use Plan

1540
00:34:31,851 --> 00:34:32,782
recommends

1541
00:34:32,782 --> 00:34:33,898
using this

1542
00:34:33,898 --> 00:34:34,705
area for

1543
00:34:34,705 --> 00:34:37,097
industrial purposes. In

1544
00:34:37,097 --> 00:34:38,099
September 2022, the

1545
00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:38,860
City Council

1546
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:39,966
approved a

1547
00:34:39,966 --> 00:34:40,657
zoning change,

1548
00:34:40,657 --> 00:34:41,763
master

1549
00:34:41,763 --> 00:34:42,523
development plan, and

1550
00:34:42,523 --> 00:34:43,629
special

1551
00:34:43,629 --> 00:34:44,632
implementation plan to

1552
00:34:44,632 --> 00:34:45,876
allow for exterior

1553
00:34:45,876 --> 00:34:46,705
storage on

1554
00:34:46,705 --> 00:34:47,604
the north and

1555
00:34:47,604 --> 00:34:48,572
west sides of the

1556
00:34:48,572 --> 00:34:49,885
existing manufacturing

1557
00:34:49,885 --> 00:34:52,310
building. And in September

1558
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:53,609
2024, the City Council

1559
00:34:53,609 --> 00:34:55,016
approved an amendment to the

1560
00:34:55,016 --> 00:34:56,315
special

1561
00:34:56,315 --> 00:34:57,398
implementation plan regarding

1562
00:34:57,398 --> 00:34:58,805
additional space for

1563
00:34:58,805 --> 00:34:59,635
outdoor

1564
00:34:59,635 --> 00:35:00,825
storage at this

1565
00:35:00,825 --> 00:35:03,868
site.

1566
00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:05,046
The applicant is currently requesting

1567
00:35:05,046 --> 00:35:06,578
approximately 60,326

1568
00:35:06,578 --> 00:35:08,502
square feet of

1569
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:09,444
outdoor

1570
00:35:09,444 --> 00:35:10,465
storage space in the

1571
00:35:10,465 --> 00:35:13,733
front yard. The

1572
00:35:13,733 --> 00:35:14,623
proposed

1573
00:35:14,623 --> 00:35:15,612
site includes an

1574
00:35:15,612 --> 00:35:16,930
existing asphalt

1575
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,249
surface and a grass

1576
00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:19,086
area. New

1577
00:35:19,086 --> 00:35:20,096
asphalting or

1578
00:35:20,096 --> 00:35:21,295
other

1579
00:35:21,295 --> 00:35:21,989
waterproofing is not

1580
00:35:21,989 --> 00:35:23,226
planned. The new

1581
00:35:23,226 --> 00:35:24,296
storage area

1582
00:35:24,296 --> 00:35:25,117
is located

1583
00:35:25,117 --> 00:35:26,474
approximately 70 feet

1584
00:35:26,474 --> 00:35:27,651
from the western boundary of the

1585
00:35:27,651 --> 00:35:29,043
site and 15 feet

1586
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,007
from the southern boundary.

1587
00:35:31,007 --> 00:35:32,248
The applicant requested a

1588
00:35:32,248 --> 00:35:33,356
change to the baseline

1589
00:35:33,356 --> 00:35:34,597
standard because the

1590
00:35:34,597 --> 00:35:35,537
expanded

1591
00:35:35,537 --> 00:35:36,678
storage area would have a

1592
00:35:36,678 --> 00:35:37,986
15-foot setback from the

1593
00:35:37,986 --> 00:35:39,262
southern boundary,

1594
00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:40,369
while the code requires a

1595
00:35:40,369 --> 00:35:41,678
30-foot setback for the

1596
00:35:41,678 --> 00:35:44,488
front yard. According to

1597
00:35:44,488 --> 00:35:45,708
the applicant, this

1598
00:35:45,708 --> 00:35:46,735
zone will provide

1599
00:35:46,735 --> 00:35:47,826
security for the southern

1600
00:35:47,826 --> 00:35:48,885
entrances to the site,

1601
00:35:48,885 --> 00:35:50,072
including access to the

1602
00:35:50,072 --> 00:35:51,356
loading docks and

1603
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:52,608
waste compaction areas,

1604
00:35:52,608 --> 00:35:53,635
while providing

1605
00:35:53,635 --> 00:35:54,726
screening for the

1606
00:35:54,726 --> 00:35:55,464
external

1607
00:35:55,464 --> 00:35:56,491
storage of their

1608
00:35:56,491 --> 00:35:57,358
large frames on

1609
00:35:57,358 --> 00:36:02,412
site. Staff

1610
00:36:02,412 --> 00:36:03,586
supports this

1611
00:36:03,586 --> 00:36:05,456
BSM request for a reduced

1612
00:36:05,488 --> 00:36:06,566
storage area setback along the

1613
00:36:06,566 --> 00:36:07,485
southern boundary

1614
00:36:07,485 --> 00:36:08,183
as it is

1615
00:36:08,183 --> 00:36:09,007
integrated into the

1616
00:36:09,007 --> 00:36:10,148
existing industrial

1617
00:36:10,148 --> 00:36:11,385
use of the site

1618
00:36:11,385 --> 00:36:12,526
, supports the safety of

1619
00:36:12,526 --> 00:36:13,794
operations, and is compatible with

1620
00:36:13,794 --> 00:36:14,523
surrounding

1621
00:36:14,523 --> 00:36:15,253
industrial

1622
00:36:15,253 --> 00:36:16,521
land uses

1623
00:36:16,521 --> 00:36:20,689
to the north and west.

1624
00:36:20,689 --> 00:36:21,744
Outdoor

1625
00:36:21,744 --> 00:36:22,930
storage areas must

1626
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:23,919
be screened by a

1627
00:36:23,919 --> 00:36:25,106
solid fence

1628
00:36:25,106 --> 00:36:27,405
8 feet high. However,

1629
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,559
front yard fences

1630
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:29,852
are limited to a height of 4

1631
00:36:29,852 --> 00:36:31,187
feet. The applicant is requesting a

1632
00:36:31,187 --> 00:36:31,954
BSM to

1633
00:36:31,954 --> 00:36:32,537
allow

1634
00:36:32,537 --> 00:36:34,378
the installation of an

1635
00:36:34,409 --> 00:36:35,422
8-foot high solid fence in the

1636
00:36:35,422 --> 00:36:36,900
front yard.

1637
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:37,806
The applicant plans

1638
00:36:37,806 --> 00:36:39,070
to install a

1639
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:39,944
chain-link fence with

1640
00:36:39,944 --> 00:36:41,207
privacy slats

1641
00:36:41,207 --> 00:36:42,503
that will match

1642
00:36:42,503 --> 00:36:43,442
the rest of the fencing on the

1643
00:36:43,442 --> 00:36:46,713
property. Staff

1644
00:36:46,713 --> 00:36:47,294
supports the

1645
00:36:47,294 --> 00:36:47,998
proposed

1646
00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:49,130
additional

1647
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:49,834
outdoor

1648
00:36:49,834 --> 00:36:50,629
storage area and

1649
00:36:50,629 --> 00:36:51,486
associated

1650
00:36:51,486 --> 00:36:52,221
fencing

1651
00:36:52,221 --> 00:36:52,894
as this

1652
00:36:52,894 --> 00:36:53,659
use is

1653
00:36:53,659 --> 00:36:54,883
consistent with the current

1654
00:36:54,883 --> 00:36:57,545
use of the site.

1655
00:36:57,545 --> 00:36:58,676
According to the

1656
00:36:58,676 --> 00:37:00,042
landscaping plan, the code

1657
00:37:00,042 --> 00:37:01,173
requires 10

1658
00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:02,617
landscaping points for every

1659
00:37:02,617 --> 00:37:03,789
1,000 sq. ft.

1660
00:37:03,789 --> 00:37:04,787
of total

1661
00:37:04,787 --> 00:37:05,784
additional

1662
00:37:05,784 --> 00:37:06,549
outdoor

1663
00:37:06,549 --> 00:37:11,407
storage area. The landscaping plan

1664
00:37:11,444 --> 00:37:12,219
calls for

1665
00:37:12,219 --> 00:37:13,399
the preservation of all

1666
00:37:13,399 --> 00:37:14,875
existing vegetation

1667
00:37:14,875 --> 00:37:16,166
on the site, as well as

1668
00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:17,568
the addition of approximately 585

1669
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:18,785
points depending on

1670
00:37:18,785 --> 00:37:20,113
the size of the expanded

1671
00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:23,395
storage area. You

1672
00:37:23,395 --> 00:37:25,008
need to get

1673
00:37:25,008 --> 00:37:27,957
approximately 603 points.

1674
00:37:27,957 --> 00:37:28,754
The proposal

1675
00:37:28,754 --> 00:37:30,120
provides a total of

1676
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,525
1,095 greening points

1677
00:37:31,525 --> 00:37:32,816
through a combination of

1678
00:37:32,816 --> 00:37:34,258
retained existing

1679
00:37:34,258 --> 00:37:35,587
plantings and new

1680
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,455
plants. Additional

1681
00:37:38,455 --> 00:37:39,573
landscaping will

1682
00:37:39,573 --> 00:37:40,567
enhance the appearance of

1683
00:37:40,567 --> 00:37:41,716
the lot and help

1684
00:37:41,716 --> 00:37:42,492
offset the

1685
00:37:42,492 --> 00:37:43,672
requested setbacks

1686
00:37:43,672 --> 00:37:44,480
for the 8-foot

1687
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,598
solid

1688
00:37:45,598 --> 00:37:46,405
front yard fence

1689
00:37:46,405 --> 00:37:47,119
and the

1690
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,300
reduction in setback

1691
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:49,184
from the boundary. The plan

1692
00:37:49,184 --> 00:37:50,313
includes evergreen

1693
00:37:50,313 --> 00:37:50,937
trees that

1694
00:37:50,937 --> 00:37:52,125
will help visually

1695
00:37:52,125 --> 00:37:52,690
conceal the

1696
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:53,492
proposed

1697
00:37:53,492 --> 00:37:55,257
solid fence. In

1698
00:37:55,257 --> 00:37:56,025
light of this,

1699
00:37:56,025 --> 00:37:57,240
staff recommends

1700
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,487
approval of the amendment to the

1701
00:37:58,487 --> 00:37:59,511
implementation plan

1702
00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:00,694
in accordance with the findings

1703
00:38:00,694 --> 00:38:01,366
and conditions

1704
00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:02,549
set forth in the

1705
00:38:02,549 --> 00:38:04,211
staff report.

1706
00:38:04,211 --> 00:38:05,411
Thank you very much for your

1707
00:38:05,411 --> 00:38:06,431
report.

1708
00:38:06,431 --> 00:38:07,401
Planning Commission, are there any

1709
00:38:07,401 --> 00:38:08,665
technical questions?

1710
00:38:08,665 --> 00:38:10,126
Mrs. Prop?

1711
00:38:10,126 --> 00:38:11,949
Today I do everything.

1712
00:38:11,949 --> 00:38:13,210
Yes, I'm a little

1713
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:16,540
confused again. This

1714
00:38:16,572 --> 00:38:17,559
outdoor storage location will be

1715
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:18,800
along Ripple Avenue,

1716
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,843
not along Oregon.

1717
00:38:21,843 --> 00:38:22,538
Right.

1718
00:38:22,538 --> 00:38:23,858
Good, because I didn't want

1719
00:38:23,858 --> 00:38:24,907
their front

1720
00:38:24,907 --> 00:38:26,125
yard—it's

1721
00:38:26,125 --> 00:38:27,402
beautiful there. But I consider the

1722
00:38:27,402 --> 00:38:28,649
front yard to be the one

1723
00:38:28,649 --> 00:38:29,727
on Oregon.

1724
00:38:29,727 --> 00:38:30,938
Maybe it's

1725
00:38:30,938 --> 00:38:31,863
not technically their front

1726
00:38:31,863 --> 00:38:32,538
yard.

1727
00:38:32,538 --> 00:38:33,804
Yes, yes.

1728
00:38:33,804 --> 00:38:35,513
Okay, okay. Well,

1729
00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:36,532
thank you. Do

1730
00:38:36,532 --> 00:38:37,724
you have any other technical

1731
00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:38,518
questions for the

1732
00:38:38,518 --> 00:38:44,079
staff? Okay,

1733
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:45,625
I see there isn't. So, I am

1734
00:38:45,625 --> 00:38:46,377
opening a

1735
00:38:46,377 --> 00:38:46,964
public

1736
00:38:46,964 --> 00:38:47,692
comment period to

1737
00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:48,561
invite a statement from the

1738
00:38:48,561 --> 00:38:49,407
applicant, if they

1739
00:38:49,407 --> 00:38:50,222
wish. Is

1740
00:38:50,222 --> 00:38:51,343
the applicant present and

1741
00:38:51,343 --> 00:38:52,039
does he wish to make a

1742
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,501
statement?

1743
00:38:53,501 --> 00:38:54,496
Okay, the applicant

1744
00:38:54,496 --> 00:38:55,933
refuses. So, are

1745
00:38:55,933 --> 00:38:57,059
there any members of

1746
00:38:57,059 --> 00:38:58,253
the public who

1747
00:38:58,253 --> 00:38:59,276
would like to make a

1748
00:38:59,276 --> 00:39:02,810
statement? Does anyone from

1749
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:04,123
the public wish to

1750
00:39:04,123 --> 00:39:07,946
make a statement? Okay,

1751
00:39:07,946 --> 00:39:09,520
I see there isn't. So, I am

1752
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,304
closing the

1753
00:39:10,304 --> 00:39:10,957
public

1754
00:39:10,957 --> 00:39:12,111
comment period. Does

1755
00:39:12,111 --> 00:39:13,214
the applicant wish to make a

1756
00:39:13,214 --> 00:39:14,220
closing statement?

1757
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:15,463
They refuse.

1758
00:39:15,463 --> 00:39:16,354
So,

1759
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,565
planning commission, the floor is

1760
00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:17,952
yours.

1761
00:39:17,952 --> 00:39:18,472
I propose

1762
00:39:18,472 --> 00:39:19,298
to recommend

1763
00:39:19,298 --> 00:39:19,950
approval of the

1764
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:20,946
general item and

1765
00:39:20,946 --> 00:39:21,890
to adopt the conclusions and

1766
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:22,554
recommendations

1767
00:39:22,554 --> 00:39:23,448
set forth in the

1768
00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:24,034
staff reports. I

1769
00:39:24,034 --> 00:39:24,826
support.

1770
00:39:24,826 --> 00:39:26,088
We have a proposal and

1771
00:39:26,088 --> 00:39:27,226
its support. Are there

1772
00:39:27,226 --> 00:39:28,332
any discussions

1773
00:39:28,332 --> 00:39:31,294
regarding this proposal?

1774
00:39:31,294 --> 00:39:32,580
Are there any discussions

1775
00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:34,165
about the proposal?

1776
00:39:34,165 --> 00:39:35,927
Okay, I see there isn't.

1777
00:39:35,927 --> 00:39:37,054
Please, let's hold a

1778
00:39:37,054 --> 00:39:38,152
roll call vote

1779
00:39:38,152 --> 00:39:38,281
.

1780
00:39:38,281 --> 00:39:38,825
Buhler.

1781
00:39:38,825 --> 00:39:39,353
By.

1782
00:39:39,353 --> 00:39:39,972
Head.

1783
00:39:39,972 --> 00:39:40,638
By.

1784
00:39:40,638 --> 00:39:41,195
Crump.

1785
00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:41,858
By.

1786
00:39:41,858 --> 00:39:43,597
Pollock. Kiefer.

1787
00:39:43,597 --> 00:39:44,074
By.

1788
00:39:44,074 --> 00:39:44,629
Perry.

1789
00:39:44,629 --> 00:39:45,043
By.

1790
00:39:45,043 --> 00:39:46,736
The proposal passed

1791
00:39:46,736 --> 00:39:47,015
6-0.

1792
00:39:47,015 --> 00:39:47,637
Okay, now

1793
00:39:47,637 --> 00:39:48,638
let's move on to other

1794
00:39:48,638 --> 00:39:50,663
issues. The next

1795
00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:51,316
planning commission meeting

1796
00:39:51,316 --> 00:39:52,147
is scheduled for

1797
00:39:52,147 --> 00:39:53,304
Tuesday, October 20,

1798
00:39:53,304 --> 00:39:54,402
2026. Are there any more

1799
00:39:54,402 --> 00:39:55,528
questions from the

1800
00:39:55,528 --> 00:39:56,704
planning department? No?

1801
00:39:56,704 --> 00:39:57,453
The last item on the

1802
00:39:57,453 --> 00:39:58,310
agenda is

1803
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:59,375
the closing of the meeting.

1804
00:39:59,375 --> 00:40:00,514
I suggest closing it. I

1805
00:40:00,514 --> 00:40:01,260
support.

1806
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:02,289
We have a proposal and

1807
00:40:02,289 --> 00:40:03,231
its support. Is there any

1808
00:40:03,231 --> 00:40:04,065
discussion on

1809
00:40:04,065 --> 00:40:04,947
this proposal?

1810
00:40:04,947 --> 00:40:05,330
No.

1811
00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:06,986
Okay, we can have a

1812
00:40:07,011 --> 00:40:07,958
voice vote. Those in favor,

1813
00:40:07,958 --> 00:40:08,904
say "yes."

1814
00:40:08,904 --> 00:40:09,527
By. Is

1815
00:40:09,527 --> 00:40:11,702
anyone against it?

1816
00:40:11,702 --> 00:40:13,098
The meeting is closed.

1817
00:40:13,098 --> 00:40:14,336
Thank you.

1818
00:40:14,336 --> 00:40:15,446
We don't have any

1819
00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:41,963
seminars tonight.

1820
00:40:41,963 --> 00:40:43,339
Hooray.