1 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:18,540 Question order here for Tuesday, May 28, at 6 p.m., our roll call looks like we're missing councilmember Schultz this evening. Number three approval left tonight's agenda. Look for a motion. 2 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:19,940 So moved. 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,800 We got a motion by councilmember Vickerman to approve tonight's work session agenda zero second. 4 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:25,300 Second. 5 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:28,000 Any further discussion? 6 00:00:29,260 --> 00:00:32,060 All those opposed? 7 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,480 Portia pass is 3 to 0. 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,400 four discussion items for a discuss city facilities update. 9 00:00:42,670 --> 00:00:47,610 Just some background the last work session that we talked about but this topic we had a 10 00:00:48,010 --> 00:00:52,130 running total of about seven and a half million for a tool level building. 11 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:54,010 There's some direction from councils. 12 00:00:54,010 --> 00:00:55,570 as far as to get better numbers. 13 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:57,470 See where we're at? 14 00:00:57,810 --> 00:01:01,470 I think I emailed council, at least some of that information 15 00:01:01,470 --> 00:01:03,070 from Ortel Architects. 16 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:04,050 They're here tonight also. 17 00:01:05,070 --> 00:01:07,650 Basically, Todd and I sat down and said, OK, 18 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:09,290 there's two versions to this building. 19 00:01:09,290 --> 00:01:11,090 There's a two level and a one level building. 20 00:01:11,710 --> 00:01:14,810 There's some price points as far as where that building is at. 21 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:18,510 And I guess what I'm asking for is just some clear direction 22 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:20,110 in which way you'd like us to go. 23 00:01:20,110 --> 00:01:25,930 also keeping in mind that we are kind of at the end of our contract with 24 00:01:25,930 --> 00:01:32,130 Oratel as far as the needs assessment and so we need to start walking down a 25 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:38,070 different path which Dan's here to kind of talk to us about. Also I'll put 26 00:01:38,070 --> 00:01:41,850 him up here on the board the different versions and kind of how what those costs 27 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:47,130 are and so I'd ask for some direction as far as cost what you're willing. 28 00:01:49,610 --> 00:01:50,090 There's 29 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:54,690 to as far as bonding and some of the rates and some of those things. 30 00:01:54,930 --> 00:02:02,530 And so we're really going to have to spend some money down the road here soon. 31 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:10,150 Also, just for public info, I guess, is the money we asked for from the government, 32 00:02:10,510 --> 00:02:13,550 or for the bonding bill didn't go through since we didn't have a bonding bill. 33 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:17,270 And so I wanted to ask for some direction as far as those contracts. 34 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:30,710 if we move forward with these plans and Dan will kind of go into that will cost some money that we really were hoping it would come out of that bonding bill. 35 00:02:30,910 --> 00:02:36,150 So since that didn't pass, I guess we'll have to, I wanted to have a discussion about where we want to go from here. 36 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:42,630 Okay, so I'll start with Dan and I'm going to just put up one of the, which one do you have up the two level or one level? 37 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:06,580 So last time I was here, we talked about a little option and it was like seven and a half 38 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:10,380 billion and it was an hour earlier where it was three and a half billion. 39 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:20,460 Curious as to where that discrepancy came from. So we talked to our estimator and he dealt into it and he was 40 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,360 overestimating this option, 41 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:26,480 kind of using some rough square footage numbers 42 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,680 that were not directly reflective 43 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,140 of the large garage space, 44 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,260 which is a cheaper space to construct. 45 00:03:33,220 --> 00:03:35,040 And then the previous option, 46 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,700 kind of under-evaluing some things. 47 00:03:38,020 --> 00:03:39,420 So this one, he went through 48 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,700 and he went much deeper, 49 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,620 broke it all down by construction, 50 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:45,660 division specification. 51 00:03:47,140 --> 00:03:49,980 And you can see here that if we're looking at this two, 52 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:58,500 this two-plan option, that total project with the permit, GC fees and bonds, design fee and a 53 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:01,460 decent contingency is right around a $6 million project. 54 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:09,600 Then Sean and I talked, he can go to the 55 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:20,540 next page, reduce some square footages, pull some things out to try to chase a one-story option. 56 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:22,600 We go on one floor, 57 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:31,630 provide some public parking, provide a fenced-in area for staff parking, 58 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:42,360 put less squads in the garage, shrink down the Sally Port, shrink down some offices, 59 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,580 and then some spaces just disappear altogether. 60 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,800 And that all in, we're looking at about 3.5 million, 61 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:57,090 which I think it's as closer to a project 62 00:04:57,090 --> 00:04:58,010 that can go forward. 63 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:11,380 Mr. Mayor. Could you tell me a little bit about what how does this square footage for the one level design compare to what we currently have. 64 00:05:13,420 --> 00:05:16,900 Currently you have. 65 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:32,460 I want to say it's the neighborhood of 3,000 square feet. Yeah, it's about 3,200 square feet. And that's with those couple with those few garage bays. The footprint of the existing 66 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:52,540 So again, when both the tenant can see and you looked at these, do you feel like this was giving the number of spaces that you needed? 67 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:58,480 I know there's a lot of double uses in some of the different areas throughout this building. 68 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,880 How did that seem to the two of you in terms of space? 69 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:11,270 Okay well the first the first couple things that we're struggling with was just how 70 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:15,590 that building is situated on that lot it's really hard to fit a garage and 71 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:19,730 then it's hard I worry a little bit about coming out onto an alley with 72 00:06:19,730 --> 00:06:24,850 squad cars in and out and so that was our only direction coming in and out of 73 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:31,930 that facility is through you know that area onto the alley and the only other 74 00:06:31,930 --> 00:06:37,930 other way is to flip it, but then you're getting some issues with size and having parking 75 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:38,490 spaces. 76 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:44,870 Also, when you look at the current building there and the drying, and you look by the 77 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:46,910 locker rooms, like those walls can't be taken out. 78 00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:51,730 So we can't create bigger spaces with them, we can't, you know, it's just kind of the way 79 00:06:51,730 --> 00:06:55,130 that building is set up, because I asked if we can- 80 00:06:55,130 --> 00:07:00,830 that dark, that dark, that darker thicker wall separating the like the office space from 81 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:06,870 those two lockers. That's probably a load bearing wall, structural wall and some capacity. 82 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:10,490 We can, we can punch holes in it, but we can't just load out. 83 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:18,690 And our other struggle was, we really wanted to have an emergency operation and currently 84 00:07:19,150 --> 00:07:24,070 the way one level is built. It's almost the same size as what we have now. 85 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:28,010 And so we're really taking a training room and squishing it down. 86 00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:34,270 I mean there's a couple feet different, but it's not a huge amount with the other two story. 87 00:07:34,510 --> 00:07:37,510 And that's something I've, you know, we've been going back and forth. 88 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:42,830 How do we, because there was some comment made about well, can we build it? 89 00:07:42,910 --> 00:07:48,330 So it can be built two stories someday with a one level version right now. 90 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:53,510 The problem you run into if you look on that second version or the two story version you have. 91 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,890 of an elevator area and stairwells, 92 00:07:57,190 --> 00:07:59,050 well those take up spaces and right now 93 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:01,130 with this current one level version, 94 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:03,870 we wouldn't be able to go up at any point. 95 00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:06,090 There's no space to put anything 96 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:07,370 because everything's packed in there. 97 00:08:08,490 --> 00:08:10,810 Now, you know, something I've learned 98 00:08:10,810 --> 00:08:14,190 over these last few weeks is this is a bird's eye view. 99 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:17,430 So we're getting down in a minutiae of like room sizes 100 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:18,530 and things like that. 101 00:08:18,910 --> 00:08:21,550 I don't know if this would be the end result 102 00:08:21,550 --> 00:08:26,190 of what we're looking at as far as a one level building it could we could move 103 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:31,370 things around or at least try and but we're kind of at that the needs 104 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:37,430 assessment and this is does it fit our needs I don't know yet just the way it 105 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:44,130 looks no doesn't mean things can't be moved and grooved with but it's hard when 106 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:47,610 you have an already a building that's on a piece of property can't move that 107 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:53,230 building to make it fit better and use the space more wisely since we're going to keep that 108 00:08:53,230 --> 00:08:58,950 building and not demolish it. So we're kind of stuck with the size of the lot. We're stuck with 109 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:06,690 the building we have and then trying to outfit it. Considered the plan is sort of proving concept. 110 00:09:07,330 --> 00:09:11,230 Kind of this is the sort of space that we're targeting. These are the spaces that we're targeting. 111 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:14,210 this is how it can fit on site. 112 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:17,450 And that's where I'm looking for direction. 113 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:18,810 Do we want to go to levels? 114 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:21,370 You know, there's always things we can do 115 00:09:21,370 --> 00:09:22,230 and we get to the minutiae. 116 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:25,330 Say, wait, I'm building this room or that room 117 00:09:25,330 --> 00:09:28,090 or maybe we don't outfit this or that. 118 00:09:28,990 --> 00:09:32,230 But do we want to be on a one level space or a two level space? 119 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:33,710 Which do you prefer? 120 00:09:34,610 --> 00:09:38,690 And then I think some important things are emergency operation 121 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:43,950 do we, you know, do we go without one for a while, or do we re outfit something here at City Hall? 122 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:46,590 You know, there's different looks at that. 123 00:09:47,510 --> 00:09:51,150 To me, I think it should be at the police department, but that's just my opinion. 124 00:09:51,370 --> 00:09:56,390 That's not my, you know, I'm not making these decisions, but I really need directions in pricing. 125 00:09:57,450 --> 00:09:59,970 And one level or two level is kind of where we're at. 126 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:22,420 We're not going to go with this chair and cut price there. That fixture, or we're not there yet. This is kind of an overall look at what we're looking at as far as a police building. 127 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:26,400 What kind of big, big items, which is just building square footage, really? 128 00:10:27,380 --> 00:10:52,280 Are there any just huge sticking points with, you know, like, 88 compliance when the sidewalk is just the buildings right up on the sidewalk, and you can barely get by and, you know, like you were saying, it's not, maybe not a great idea to have squads exiting through an alley, like are any of these so such major roadblocks that we, it's no longer viable at all. 129 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,440 depending on what I think if you did a two level building and we figured out 130 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,740 some parking issues and maybe flip the building around a little bit yeah we 131 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:06,420 could probably make it work. One level you're gonna be the only way we can get 132 00:11:06,420 --> 00:11:10,320 the garage to fit correctly would probably be the way it is right now I don't see a 133 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,480 way to come out on the first avenue which is probably where we should be 134 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,780 coming from to make that work as well especially on a one level when we don't have 135 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:25,780 the space to put it on that lot. But, again, that's my opinion. Dan, am I? 136 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:35,400 No, I think that, you know, the thing that we've been really working through this whole process 137 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:42,900 is just getting squad cars in and out in a way that makes sense. Like, we had worked on plans where 138 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:49,600 there's a whole new building on this site and the police stayed here and then we had fire trucks pulling 139 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,220 out and squads pulling in and out but then also the public coming in and trying to get all 140 00:11:54,220 --> 00:12:02,360 that fit and that was a nightmare. And now we're on this site here which has that alley, which 141 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:09,720 is tricky because it's, you know, they're going to be people twodling down that alley going to their 142 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:16,060 businesses when a squad comes whipping in or whipping out and we can do some things to get them emptying 143 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:23,260 out on either street, that street to the south, they'd be pulling out right next to the 144 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:28,040 alley. I think that's basically the street. It would be basically them being on the alley, 145 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:34,000 you know. So ideally, they'd be going out to the east there, 146 00:12:36,310 --> 00:12:37,390 which you have in that 147 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:45,790 two-story option thing that gets tricky with finding public and staff parking. So they would 148 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:50,330 be off the alley, but then the front door of the facility is kind of the back door 149 00:12:50,330 --> 00:12:55,830 of the facility and that these are all things that can be worked out as we get into more 150 00:12:55,830 --> 00:13:03,030 detail, but it's a it's a small site and you know we were really looking for kind of 151 00:13:03,030 --> 00:13:08,770 an open concept and that might not work if we're going to be having staff or customers 152 00:13:08,770 --> 00:13:13,310 coming off the alley because you can see if they're coming off the alley we've got those 153 00:13:13,310 --> 00:13:16,990 two walls we can't take out where the men's and women's locker room is. 154 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:22,150 We could switch our front door to there, but the problem is we're not going to be able to see each other. 155 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:27,070 You know, that was just something I was looking for because Felicia and all of staff, 156 00:13:27,070 --> 00:13:28,870 the way it's set up can kind of see each other. 157 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:30,290 We're all working in the same space. 158 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:35,610 We're all kind of together and that was important to me, but again, 159 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:40,510 that would be something would change if we had to come put the front door on the back side 160 00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:42,030 or the other side of the building 161 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:43,610 because those walls can't be removed. 162 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:52,320 Just to be obvious, what is this big building 163 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,320 that and where do you get in here? 164 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,680 Yeah, I mean, and we had parking in the backside. 165 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,180 So in one of our drawings, we had parking here 166 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,260 when the front door all the way over here. 167 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:04,680 Yeah, so then it's like, well, where do they get a lock 168 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:05,160 all the way up? 169 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,520 You know, if they're gonna actually park 170 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,160 and a parking lot. 171 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,320 Not saying there's not street parking 172 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,440 or on street parking, but there it is. 173 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:16,260 And so we were, we had taken one of the versions 174 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:20,460 was to like this one where the parking's more towards the front on this one level. 175 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,320 But then you take away that big portion of the lot. 176 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:35,860 That's the most open and so there's just, there's nothing overwhelming in my mind that we can't figure out. 177 00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:42,880 I don't want to dive into particulars, I'd just, I'd like some general guidance. 178 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,980 and then we'll come back with more later and guidance on what your next steps are 179 00:14:47,980 --> 00:14:53,280 or whether we move forward and then kind of if you want to put a price tag on it 180 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,060 or if you want to that would be great for me. 181 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,660 Mr. Mayor. Always a struggle. Come 182 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:30,420 to these meetings and I'm either absent or I'm pre-quiet. I have not heard one positive thing in the public about splitting off our police department. There's a huge, I've had a lot of people come to me, face, face, email, phone calls, and 183 00:15:32,590 --> 00:15:34,610 we go back to our original challenges. 184 00:15:37,290 --> 00:15:47,160 We're making decisions for all of us, you know, it's not just for what we think is right and what. 185 00:15:51,730 --> 00:16:01,270 I'm having a hard time with this because if we're going to spend three, five, seven, whatever we're going to spend, 186 00:16:01,270 --> 00:16:06,170 and we need to make it right and not 187 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:14,400 back down in what we need and what is practical. 188 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:22,960 I wouldn't even think of putting squad cars out on an alley and 189 00:16:25,780 --> 00:16:27,420 if 190 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:30,940 we put them out 191 00:16:30,940 --> 00:16:36,400 on first there too, that's an uncontrolled intersection, we can change that at first 192 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:43,920 and third but people travel kind of fast through there. There's a lot of 193 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:51,160 things still to think of when we look at the money side of this one of our 194 00:16:51,160 --> 00:17:01,580 options in packet was to look at the city tax but there as we all know and we've 195 00:17:01,580 --> 00:17:07,700 spoke before, there's more. Torium, that's very futuristically looking. 196 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:12,500 Best possible 197 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:24,580 hope would be to get in on some bonding for next year. And there again, it's hurry up 198 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:24,920 and wait. 199 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:32,570 Myself, I'm not inclined to, 200 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,600 at this time, 201 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:40,580 go a whole lot further with something 202 00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:45,920 that we're feeling like this might not work. 203 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,700 This won't be so great. 204 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,280 We might not be able to do the build out on this. 205 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,460 I'm just really conflicted. 206 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:56,100 I also 207 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:05,440 had some issues, I was one that brought this forward, but first time we looked at this, 208 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:16,320 it was $3,000,000 and then we looked at it differently the next time and it was excessively 209 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:25,260 more and then it was, I understand that there was a difference in your estimator or what 210 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:36,080 But I'm sorry, but when you're selling $1 million deals, there's no room for an estimator to be off on it, in my opinion. 211 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,940 Seeing up here, I can't accept that. 212 00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:45,560 So, Mr. Mayor, those are my comments. 213 00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:55,510 I agree with some of your points there. 214 00:18:55,650 --> 00:19:01,630 I think, you know, if we're going to do this, we want to do it right, and we want it to be something that 215 00:19:01,630 --> 00:19:07,850 the community can be proud of and get behind and we don't want to make so many 216 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:12,650 concessions in how it doesn't really work and also put a huge price tag on it. 217 00:19:13,550 --> 00:19:17,550 You know wherever those funds end up coming from we still need to spend them 218 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:23,290 really wisely and make it something that can can last a long time and I'm just 219 00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:29,290 not sure that we're we're seeing really good viable options that that can 220 00:19:29,290 --> 00:19:30,210 meet that criteria. 221 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:37,900 But I guess I don't even know if one story or two story is 222 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:42,900 is a decision we can come to because I don't see that either of them necessarily 223 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,220 works the way we would really need it to. 224 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,030 What are your thoughts, Mr. Mayor? 225 00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:03,280 No, I just struggle with the layout, struggle with the site. 226 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Yeah, 227 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:23,230 they need a room. I know how do we solve that and I don't have an answer for that right now. 228 00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:52,790 Well, the other pieces, we needed to see this in order to think about this. And just looking at a chunk of land, you can say, oh, well, there, we could do it there. But this really breaks down for me in a way that I feel like we would put a lot into it. 229 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:58,870 and it still wouldn't really do what we needed to do because there's an existing building and 230 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:06,770 walls you can't move and it doesn't really, it doesn't meet all of the wish list or even all 231 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:13,470 the things that we can work within and still getting ultimately what you need. And safe coming 232 00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:22,250 and going is probably the number one thing and also a welcoming entry to anybody who needs to come 233 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:26,590 in and and those are the things that I just don't I don't know that they're 234 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:33,590 achievable on that site with how it is now just being able to walk up to the 235 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:38,950 front door is currently difficult and doesn't we can't change it. 236 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,180 Is the on the 237 00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:10,300 two-level does the garage area also become a two-level like it's a one story 238 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:13,540 It's a one-floor garage and then over that garage. 239 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:14,180 Okay. 240 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:15,980 We'll sit on top of that. 241 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:16,460 Okay. 242 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,160 So we filled out basically half the garage. 243 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:19,680 Okay. 244 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:20,600 Half the roof. 245 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:21,220 Okay. 246 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,040 And this is first half, right over here. 247 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:33,840 Yeah. 248 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:47,600 One of the reasons behind the design was to allow use of the fitness center on the second floor, 249 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,760 along with the training room and you'll see without coming through the police 250 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,940 departments that gives us rental space at least up with the training room and 251 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,080 things like that so people can come and go without having to be fingerprinted 252 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,320 and see BCA compliance because that's the other thing that runs hot within 253 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,480 policing is that we have to have so much compliance and we can't have people 254 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,940 walking through just to walk through like at more of a city hall you can walk 255 00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:38,580 around but with BCA you have to be fingerprinted and backgrounded to work in there so all of our contractors are that have keys, anybody that comes through so it did give us that other entry with the elevator and that, you know, that's why we went to one level because that's one of the biggest price tag items was that elevator space. 256 00:23:39,780 --> 00:23:46,580 The problem is, as you can tell, again, our entry is on the other side, the parking is 257 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:50,260 on the other, you know, for public parking is on the other side. 258 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:58,620 Now, we did try and looked at possibly, again, moving kind of where you see the Sally 259 00:23:58,620 --> 00:24:05,240 Port in the garage, kind of where you can see the dotted line where our second story would 260 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:12,200 be that there would be public parking there, a gated area, again, kind of like that for staff 261 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,580 parking, so we didn't have as much of a garage. And then the second story on top, a little 262 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:27,510 bit kitty want this, but you know, because if you see that that design, you can see we have 263 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:33,950 the entry reception area, interview rooms, everything's all one flow. So having that, flipping 264 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:38,270 that to the other side would be very difficult to have that same flow if you have a volume. 265 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,830 There's more work that we could do if we knew what would look right. 266 00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:59,400 These are, again, just concept plans, so they're just more big pictures. 267 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:10,360 Things could be moved and Rubik's cubed and moved around obviously still, but that would be moving on to the next step. We could 268 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:33,140 modify the contract to go into schematic design where we would really heavily work on the plans and work with Shane and his staff to really develop them and come up with some hard options, but that would be where we would go from here. 269 00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:38,480 And we could just do that next step, and then stop. 270 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Mr. Rant, I'm very hesitant to put much more money that we have not really budgeted for 271 00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:08,000 into plans that, so far in a year's time where we're still kind of struggling to get the basics. 272 00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:10,660 What 273 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:20,120 I'm showing you is above and beyond what we've, is above and beyond our contract. 274 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:29,000 I'm showing rooms here so that we can have more of a conversation and so you can, 275 00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:31,300 better understand the kind of space needs. 276 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,240 So please don't get caught up on this room is here and that room is there. 277 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:48,220 I see barriers each way in one of the biggest barriers I see is the funding. 278 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,880 You know, we can't ask for aid and go with bonding. 279 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:04,860 We have to see a legislature that lifts this moratorium on city tax to be able to put 280 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:07,700 that on and 281 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,280 I 282 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:20,180 just I have a real hard time and I have a hard time when like I said earlier 283 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:31,340 this is millions of dollars and to hear an estimator that doesn't fly real well with 284 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:43,410 me. I'm not comfortable at this point moving forward when we don't have a secure funding 285 00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:57,490 plan and I don't feel these actually meet our needs. 286 00:27:59,350 --> 00:28:04,910 Mayor, the one thing I have found through my research and talking to different architects 287 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:12,530 The facts and stuff is that we do to get state funding, we have to have an actual down to the nuts and bolts plan. 288 00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:16,750 That's just something I'll throw out there that we have to have that to get state funding. 289 00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:23,010 I've also been told, not again, I might be speaking out of turn is that next year there won't be a bonding bill that every two years. 290 00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:27,650 So it might not be until 2026, I don't know if they're going to redo it since they didn't get one. 291 00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:32,930 Every year there can be a bonding bill, it's just a matter this one didn't get passed. 292 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:35,650 Okay, and so the same thing happened last year. 293 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:41,790 Yep, and so they were, I know I've talked to different people like the city of Wyoming has been waiting. 294 00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:46,350 They've been on the bonding bill in the last two years, but they have their book. 295 00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:48,110 Is that what you call it? 296 00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:59,090 Yeah, there's a document, a state pre-design document that needs to be developed and submitted to get the money from the state. 297 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:06,190 You can go and get on the bonding bill without the pre-designed document, but to get the money you need a pre-designed document. 298 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:08,570 Which is a toll. 299 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:15,750 And that's where, you know, we are kind of standing as what we do next. 300 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:21,910 Because if we want to get state funding, we have to move forward in some aspect to put that together. 301 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:30,270 or if we want to wait I'm asking so that's kind of what I learned today is that 302 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:34,490 there's a book that you need or a plan and you have to have a pretty 303 00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:37,750 formidable plan put together knowing what the like a 304 00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:41,570 Council member Holstrom said was you know kind of having the specs and the 305 00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:45,470 amounts and what we're putting in there and we can't bond for it obviously and get 306 00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:50,950 paid back we can't do that but we have to have that plan so they know exactly 307 00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:56,650 what we're asking for. We can't go in there with just, you know, some information on a sheet. 308 00:29:57,550 --> 00:29:59,970 And so that's why I really would like to... 309 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:14,060 I'd like to, at some point, soon is to figure out if we want to get on next year's bonding bill that we would have to do that fairly soon, because there's a lot of work ahead of us to get that together to submit to the state even to make sure that that's ready. 310 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:20,530 And I know there's a lot of cities that have been waiting and putting in for it. So, 311 00:30:23,670 --> 00:30:32,890 and again, I mean, we, you know, I'm sorry, damn, but it doesn't mean we have to do this with or tell either. So, I mean, if there's questions on that, there's that question too. 312 00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:43,450 You know, they're sorry, but they're one of many, you know, we've had a great working relationship, but you know, those are things that I can, we can move down the road too. 313 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:47,120 Mayor. 314 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:55,120 How many, how many steps would you say we are away from being up to having a really, 315 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,320 really pretty solid plan going? So we decide one floor or two floors. 316 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:14,120 We need a budget to aim for, what, you know, what are you comfortable asking for? 317 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:18,960 Because the state wants, the state doesn't, the state doesn't want to fund the whole thing, 318 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,180 they want to fund a percentage. 319 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:28,040 And they want you to back that other percentage, you know, they want the city to have skin in 320 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,320 the game. 321 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:37,100 So, you know, if you do 50% and the state does 50% where, how much, what's your dollar 322 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:47,040 amount on that 50% so then we can target that as we work through plans, then we meet 323 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:54,500 with Shane and Todd and we try to really dial this in so that we're, you know, 324 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,180 so that 325 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:04,960 we try to mail it. That's going to take a few rounds, a few options to get through, but 326 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,420 we get that plan ironed out, we have that budget, we know how much we're going to ask from 327 00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:21,040 the state, and then I'll work with Shane to develop the pre-design document, which is a 328 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:29,620 fair amount of work. I think we usually, it's a fair amount of work. And that, 329 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:33,870 so those 330 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:40,230 are the three things that we have to iron out. And if you have, what's to get all of 331 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:46,950 those three, that's a very compelling presentation to the state. We'll say that if you do decide 332 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:59,350 If I had to go to Chase State Funding, we have to meet the Sustainability Requirements B3 which is a mandate for all state funder projects. 333 00:32:59,790 --> 00:33:15,230 It's a set of sustainability guidelines that are quite stringent and they have this whole online tracking tool, it's hundreds of items which will add cost to the project. 334 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:21,670 And some things will be able to accommodate and some things we just won't be able to do like one of the things. 335 00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:22,930 Give an example of what. 336 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:32,250 Yeah, like one of the things that you require is a pond for wildlife that will always have water in it. 337 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:37,930 Obviously on this site, that's not feasible, like there's literally no space. 338 00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:45,670 That requires us to meet energy consumptions called SB 2030, 339 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:54,530 which is like an 80% reduction in energy usage from like the 2012 standard. 340 00:33:55,350 --> 00:34:01,050 Things get very technical very quickly, but so if I say it's stringent. 341 00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:05,170 We'd be putting solar panels on the roof. 342 00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:12,430 We'd be going air source heat pumps to try to not use natural gas as much as we can. 343 00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:19,890 use renewables as much as we can, and on and on and on and on. 344 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:22,790 Since they're also prevailing wage then, too. 345 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:32,290 I don't know, I don't know on that one I can't speak to. 346 00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:39,910 I believe that if there's state federal or county funding, it's prevailing wage on a project. 347 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:59,520 I guess I'm just a little bit worried that our upfront investment could end up kind of being for not and I don't want to go too much further if that's the direction we feel like we're going 348 00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:04,400 You know, we needed to see this. We needed to get an idea. 349 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:12,640 But I'm just not sure that that site can never live up to what we need for this. 350 00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:39,320 So we're going to do it right. We're not going to not put what we need into it. They're a different site in the city that you would like us to investigate. 351 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,260 I don't have another sign. 352 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,080 Somewhat landlocked. 353 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:58,130 Is there a different usage for this building that you would like us to investigate at one 354 00:35:58,130 --> 00:36:05,690 time we had looked at, like pushing the community center and library over here to free up space 355 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:15,350 in this facility, does that that would not free up enough space here to you know make that 356 00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:16,210 exchange equal? 357 00:36:16,810 --> 00:36:16,890 Right. 358 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:28,060 The other thing is, if we would do something like that, as we've talked before, parking 359 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:33,650 becomes an issue with Community Center. 360 00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:57,450 Are we significantly different financially if we demoed that building and started over 361 00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:58,150 on the site? 362 00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:13,970 building is built quite solidly and it's got a good bones to work from. It's concrete 363 00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:20,010 block walls and big joys that span the whole thing. It's nice open clear space to work 364 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:24,330 with. We are assuming that we have to put a new roof on. 365 00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:32,170 I'm assuming that the building 366 00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:43,770 installation, it's EFIS, that that installation isn't sufficient, that does not meet current 367 00:37:43,770 --> 00:37:52,530 building code so that we would have to do some work with you know the the 368 00:37:52,530 --> 00:37:56,790 building needs some love but it's still you 369 00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:01,130 know where that line is between 370 00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:06,270 how much do you put into fixing the building and how much is that saved versus 371 00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:09,290 tearing it down is fuzzy line. One 372 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,940 level concept is we're just trying to make it 373 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:45,380 work, and it's not fulfilling our needs. Two levels is kind of there, but it's 374 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,560 so a long way for where it needs to be. 375 00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:01,120 I think the two level would work, but we would be 376 00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:04,280 then we're putting ourselves in the higher price range. 377 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,980 I'd feel much better if we had a city tax 378 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:26,700 availability even, moratorium gets lifted that we can apply and do through the 379 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:33,660 legislature with that. I feel better having a source to go much further because 380 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:40,880 we could have the top of the line plans ready to go for the stay and be in the 381 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,020 place we are today for preliminary design, and I'm 382 00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:58,430 sounding like a broken record so I think I'll 383 00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:58,650 Quick. 384 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:26,510 Yeah, I think I'm at the point, too, or I don't, I don't see a way to move forward right now because even if even if we put in the investment to get this really dialed in, like you said, there's still, we still don't have the money to put in our half and we don't have any information on when we can submit this to the state to get on a bonding bill that never passes. 385 00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:41,790 Hopefully it passes someday, but like, you know, so far hasn't been good. 386 00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:47,130 And long enough that some cities have many, many projects on that bonding bill. 387 00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:59,380 Question 2 and then I mean what does the police do, none of this goes, what are the, what are the options? 388 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,180 You're looking at it, we're going to stay where we are. 389 00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:11,240 We've got no other options unless we decide to put up some temporary shelters somewhere, but that. 390 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:18,960 Well, I was a question. I was wondering if there are, you know, there's plenty of companies 391 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:28,100 that supply satellite temporary basis that that really doesn't fit well with the security 392 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:34,120 we need in the things that we need. We can't really be in a temporary place. Plus, as we found 393 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:40,940 out in 2020, that doesn't work well. Having temporary space if something were to happen, we're 394 00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:46,060 just, you know, I call away as far as the department. So does 395 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,600 ASEO own this building? 396 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,300 We're such a unique fit for a city because of our 397 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,220 responsibilities and because of our security that we have to 398 00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:15,520 have so different than anybody else. That's why when we talked 399 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,280 about demoing here and trying to put us somewhere, there's 400 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,360 almost nowhere to go. It's so hard to find a secure place at 401 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,180 we can use. 402 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:35,030 So we would just be stacking people on top of people for a while. 403 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,880 Yeah, I guess there's maybe only one other property nearby here that I could 404 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:59,160 think of that we could consider looking into retrofitting and and we're 405 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,640 still looking at a building that's too expensive for us to do that in. 406 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,120 Yeah, 407 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:11,890 okay. 408 00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:12,510 this one. 409 00:43:16,350 --> 00:43:20,290 I think the price tag is pretty high. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 410 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,040 the gun club. That's what I was, yeah. 411 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:39,050 And just in terms of access and being part of a campus and and all of that, you know. 412 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:44,490 But I think the price tag is almost what we're looking at. It's what we're looking at. Yeah, right, 413 00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:51,030 for the one-level building. I think just to purchase, that's not even outfitting it. Yeah. 414 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:58,050 Now you've got lead and all that in there too, especially with all the shooting that has 415 00:43:58,050 --> 00:43:58,530 gone on. 416 00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:00,970 So there's some serious cleanup stuff we'd have to do too. 417 00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:14,810 I don't mean to push, but I'd like to have some direction if you guys, whatever it is, 418 00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:15,430 come back later. 419 00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:16,930 That's kind of what I'm hearing. 420 00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:18,370 I don't know if that's true or not. 421 00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:30,080 I think I'm at an impasse as far as giving direction and move forward on one or two is 422 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960 kind of a move point for me I guess at this point because I don't I don't see it 423 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:40,580 working. You worried about price or just for... I'm worried about the space 424 00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:48,120 itself, the accessibility, the actually having the layout that we need. 425 00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:55,520 We get 426 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,980 creative to go after the price point we need. 427 00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:25,350 Everything else needs to be good. I mean, not settling. Like you said, we need to get a revenue source going so that we can start to make some of those estimations. And we don't, we can't start that revenue source yet. So. Because we have an idea of what bonding for it and where we can go. 428 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:31,330 But then that, that locks us in. 429 00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:41,660 And as a tax issue, and I'm not going there. 430 00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,460 I feel like we're shoe horning this in here. 431 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,020 Well, can we just put a pause on it for now? 432 00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:28,980 Can we not give an answer? 433 00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:33,420 And just say it's not working for us right now. 434 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,580 We've got to get some funding sources in place. 435 00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:43,240 I think that all leads to then this isn't working and we cancel the purchase agreement we just cancel all at this point 436 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,100 That's what that's what ends up 437 00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:47,020 Is 438 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:57,040 that what you're all saying not to purchase that property even for future development or 439 00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:03,200 Was that I don't I wasn't here so right this table we talked about it 440 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,100 I 441 00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:12,500 don't know that for for me without having something else on the table. I would be more likely to 442 00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:22,600 to recent on the purchase as opposed to trying to come up with a different idea that we also don't have plans set up for yet. 443 00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:28,660 And it was always kind of the issue that we toiled over as what could we use this for? 444 00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,480 What could be future development? 445 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:38,260 It could be some sort of income space but we're just not, we're not landing on something that makes a lot of sense. 446 00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:39,420 It's in the 447 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,520 purchase, would you like me to take another stab at 448 00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:57,030 making it fit, making 449 00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:57,390 it work? 450 00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:03,620 Well, you can without picking up the building and rearranging it on the lot. 451 00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:12,350 We're 452 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:25,200 not getting, you know, what we hope and as it can serve our needs long term, that's 453 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:25,780 the struggle. 454 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,020 Are we just kind of making it, making it kind of work? 455 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,400 table it make it a full full council discussion. 456 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,220 Yeah we can do that. 457 00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:20,890 There's not the step forward is from here. 458 00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:26,510 We can definitely do that would be we 459 00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:32,840 can have it is that your direction table it and then throw it. Yeah have a 460 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,160 full council discussion. I would agree to that. Well thank 461 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,620 you. Thank you. I'll be in 462 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:53,700 contact. All right four B discuss interim city administrative position and 463 00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:56,520 of 464 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,840 a donor at everybody. I don't know if I want to have this this 465 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:23,240 So I guess my future plans, I, you know, this, I was put in the interim spot and kind of looking for some guidance from you as far as where to go from here. What your thoughts are for me. This is more of a personal thing, I guess, but I'd like to have a public discussion about it. 466 00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:34,710 So I know I'm interim. Do that way for a period of time. Do you have thoughts on the future? 467 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,800 I mean, 468 00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:48,580 depending on how deep you feel like going here, I know that there were also some, 469 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:58,280 you know, possible deterrence for you in terms of being a full-time administrator versus staying 470 00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:58,860 being a cop. 471 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:06,920 So, you know, that in my mind has always been, it's remained part of the question, is, you 472 00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:16,700 is that even right for you or if it's if it's something you want to really go 473 00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:24,300 after we can we can make a job posting and and and find a candidate and do an 474 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:31,400 interview process but I'm at least for me what I was wondering was is this is 475 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,300 Is this for you? Does it mess up other future planning in your life? 476 00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:39,700 The only way I would stay is if it did both. 477 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,920 So that would be just future planning would be both positions. 478 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,220 And that could be for a period of time and a re-evaluation, which I've heard some discussion 479 00:51:54,220 --> 00:52:01,380 on, or that can be, we can have that discussion in the future, near future. I guess I'm just 480 00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:04,060 kind of looking for some guidance on that. 481 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,740 H.R. Committee had any meetings to? 482 00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:18,120 My understanding was it was going to go to risk management for contract kind of and 483 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,020 I don't know if risk management has met or not. 484 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:37,800 We have, you know, and chief laid out some requests, you know, I think did you circulate 485 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,020 that? 486 00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:48,040 Follow-up summary of, you know, some of our discussions at that meeting, you know, 487 00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:51,450 obviously 488 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:58,540 with everything we have going on, do we just stabilize for a little bit? 489 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:06,040 get through some of these projects, obviously, this was one of them, but this is not the same 490 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,580 like it's going to be going, but. 491 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:21,180 Mr. Mayor, this too is something, and I apologize. 492 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:35,040 Last week took a lot of hours in my place with my committees and what I serve on took a lot 493 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:42,400 of my hours last week in getting through this package packet and studying it and really 494 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:53,320 studying it. I left the work session to last and unfortunately I guess I expected something 495 00:53:53,320 --> 00:54:06,400 a little bit more focus that had come through budget and finance to be able to, or risk management 496 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,440 excuse me. 497 00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:18,730 And I'd still like to see that. I'd like risk management and I'd like it to come 498 00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:24,370 with the full council to, and 499 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:33,720 I think that risk management would be able to work out a lot of the questions that both sides might have. 500 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:42,960 But of what was in that email, what was the feeling on that, was that the direction that people are comfortable with? 501 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:57,240 You know, I think that's where this was on, this is kind of the direction, this is the discussions or people comfortable with that, 502 00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:59,920 or hell no, we don't want that at all. 503 00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:24,830 I mean, that's kind of more of why that was brought here to a work session rather than a formal package presented at a council meeting where an action needs to be done. So, we're now this has had the discussion. These are kind of some of the directions outlines, you know, some of their questies looking forward to that protects you on the police side still with the pension and everything. 504 00:55:24,830 --> 00:55:29,010 and there's this pyramid stuff there to be able to handle this. 505 00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:33,190 Can we have a date on that email so I can look through it? 506 00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:37,250 It's not the one I thought it was, so it's not the one I thought it was, so I don't know if I've... 507 00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:39,970 Give me one second. 508 00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:42,830 I'm in May early this. 509 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:47,100 Like, delicious. 510 00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:53,620 Email up because it dains every time I get an email. 511 00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:30,970 We only got a couple of emails, it would be so much easier. 512 00:56:32,570 --> 00:56:34,210 We're just stuff about the website here. 513 00:56:35,590 --> 00:56:42,970 Well, I guess if we're talking about is it a dual role, I guess I don't I don't really 514 00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:47,490 think that a dual role is sustainable for a long term. 515 00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:55,680 You know, if there are some if we have some set goals that we want to get through right 516 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:01,600 now, I would I would be okay with continuing that and then I think we should have fair compensation 517 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:13,820 for that but I don't know that it's I don't know that that's permanent in my opinion you know 518 00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:21,360 I think part of it too was do we just get through to the end of the year under this kind of 519 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:30,740 arrangement with kind of this laid out then be able to then start a search and do all that or 520 00:57:30,740 --> 00:57:32,800 or do you just say start to search down? 521 00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:38,160 So that was kind of seeing where people are at. 522 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,620 It's something like this feasible, 523 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,540 or do we say no, and then the direction is, 524 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,200 no, do a full search, you know, do that. 525 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,080 You can continue to inter-room because, you know, 526 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,780 in the past, you'd bring in, you know, 527 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,980 an inter-room administrator to kind of get you through 528 00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:58,980 that period and then you interview and do all that. 529 00:57:58,980 --> 00:58:05,120 So that's kind of a little bit of why this is at a work session, or does everyone feel? 530 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,100 Well, Shane, I don't want you burning your candle at both ends for ten more years. 531 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:27,380 I see this as kind of a, it's pretty hard to have two huge jobs and manage them both and give both everything they need. 532 00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:32,420 Obviously, I know you have a lot of support in the police department, but you still have 533 00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:41,860 a job there that you have to do and the city staff need someone there who's giving 534 00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:47,240 them they're all too, so I think that we should, 535 00:58:49,610 --> 00:58:52,130 like I said, make sure that you're being 536 00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:58,730 compensated for the time that you're doing two jobs and but but to have an 537 00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:07,110 ultimate goal of putting those back to one and one I think is a is a better idea 538 00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:14,450 and if if whatever you know line you decide to go down for yourself whatever 539 00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:20,330 choice you might make I would still like to see that be posted and you know we 540 00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:26,350 and we can look for candidates and angle that direction. 541 00:59:27,850 --> 00:59:28,290 That's... 542 00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:30,610 So you'd like to see that sooner rather than later? 543 00:59:31,310 --> 00:59:34,950 I mean, I think the process could potentially take a while, 544 00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:38,170 so if our goal would be to have somebody in place 545 00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:41,830 by the end of the year, I think that would be a process 546 00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:42,570 we could start, 547 00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:47,930 because doesn't this have to go through 548 00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:50,370 like LMC and... 549 00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:53,470 I mean, there's a lot of things to figure out. 550 00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:56,110 I think there's a lot of things to figure out just for the pulsing itself. 551 00:59:56,350 --> 00:59:59,930 There's a lot of steps that you could take, you could hire a recruiter, you could do all of that. 552 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,880 to, you know, those are things we can discuss to later. But, you know, as far as the dual role 553 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,660 as long as there were some things I sent out, and I obviously can't find it right now either, 554 01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:18,220 but it's there. There's support that I had built in if I'm going to do the dual roles that 555 01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:19,180 would make it work. 556 01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:28,130 I have a lieutenant in one area, so, and he's been doing really well. So, 557 01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:32,770 We're working together and figuring out our roles and just be on the city side 558 01:00:33,290 --> 01:00:34,350 This my comment 559 01:00:35,290 --> 01:00:37,990 and on on the city side then as well 560 01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:44,410 Some of that role would still need to be filled some of that extra support role there 561 01:00:44,410 --> 01:00:50,470 We would still be looking at another person possibly not another person, but reordination. Okay 562 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:57,760 I 563 01:00:59,380 --> 01:01:00,320 Would like 564 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:07,700 to see this interim be 565 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:16,960 able to be with us till that last meeting in December if we're going 566 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:28,980 to work with somebody through the budget process through the possible cannabis 567 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,020 start-up. 568 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:44,020 These are things that Shane brings to the table that are strong. 569 01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:51,600 And I would feel it would be really too 570 01:01:54,030 --> 01:02:01,690 much change to put somebody, but it doesn't mean that I'm opposed to start a process in looking. 571 01:02:01,690 --> 01:02:08,770 But I'd like to see Shane in this role through this budget cycle. 572 01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:13,110 I would hate to see somebody else come in mid-budget cycle. 573 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:23,440 Starting the process, having an ever January 1 higher date, is that what you're saying? 574 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:35,140 If that was agreeable to all parties and full council and I just think it's important 575 01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:44,100 It's important to have the continuity, especially for the budget, and staff 576 01:02:48,170 --> 01:02:53,830 at, I don't know how many more changes we want to make in this calendar year. 577 01:02:54,450 --> 01:03:03,230 We can start looking and whenever everybody is comfortable to set that date, I think is fine. 578 01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:04,170 but we're 579 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:15,980 already at June just around the corner and that's not fair to have 580 01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:20,600 somebody start something that big and not 581 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,940 see it through and 582 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,880 Shane you've 583 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:44,860 been an exceptional supportive piece in the cannabis steps that the committee has been 584 01:03:44,860 --> 01:03:52,630 trying to circle in and hone in on and that's 585 01:03:55,420 --> 01:04:00,520 a revenue stream that as we've thought and 586 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:07,340 plan and voted to go ahead with, that's another piece that would be really hard to bring 587 01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:11,000 somebody else in at this point on that. 588 01:04:20,670 --> 01:04:26,890 These are very difficult subjects, especially when there's only three of us here. 589 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:36,540 I don't like to be the windbag that I sometimes am up here, but I'm 590 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:42,320 comfortable compensating 591 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:51,440 with what I've seen and what risk management has worked through and I'm 592 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:59,120 comfortable for this year if council wants to set a date to start 593 01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:59,680 advertising. 594 01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:10,720 That I also want to make sure that you're comfortable. 595 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:18,480 You feel that a dual role would be okay through this year. I do. 596 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,240 I don't want to make that decision for you. 597 01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:43,050 We change our tough spots. There's things to work through. There's things that, when change happens, 598 01:05:43,050 --> 01:05:53,650 happens, you can either try and stay where you are and avoid it, or you can adapt and 599 01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:54,690 do the best you can. 600 01:05:56,710 --> 01:06:02,250 And when there's too much change, it becomes unmanageable in my opinion. 601 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:13,840 So let me ask you this, would it make sense then to come back to the council meeting with 602 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:20,140 recommendation of these are or do to the end of the year you know whether it's 603 01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:25,340 third fourth quarter post it begin advertising it have that interview process 604 01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:30,420 kind of third fourth quarter for shooting for January 1st is that kind of 605 01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:42,320 what people would like to see I think that's a I think that's a good idea I think 606 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,200 set up a meeting with the rescue and we'll hammer out these details and put 607 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:53,540 something together to bring forward on council meeting and then also I mean 608 01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:59,780 we'll look at the stuff that groups we've used in the past and understand the cost of 609 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,180 you know the recruiter to get somebody 610 01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:09,280 okay all right everybody go for that 611 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,220 Yes, Mr. Mayor. 612 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,080 Yep. Motion for adjournment. 613 01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:14,860 I'm going to motion my councilmember 614 01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:17,340 Hallstrom for adjournment is there a second? 615 01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:17,760 Second. 616 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,840 Councilman Rickerman, non-dividable, all those in favor? 617 01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:22,420 Aye. Aye. All those opposed? 618 01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:25,820 Motion passes to 3-0 or adjournment 7-0-7. 619 01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:32,260 I'm excited to turn off my screen.