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Sewer Authority board of directors

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meeting this Thursday September 12th

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2024 we have six

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announcements first is a question uh

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does any board member know of a conflict

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of interest or potential conflict of

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interest with respect to any item on the

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agenda

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tonight looks like the answer is

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no um the next announcement is welcoming

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our new board member Michael Hughes um

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Michael is an Orange County appointee

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and took his oath of office on July 3D

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welcome Michael thank you it's good to

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have you here um and on June 17th the

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chapel Hilltown Council reappointed Todd

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to the aasa board of directors for his

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second three-year

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term nice job

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Todd and we have uh two meeting

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updates the first is that over the

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summer aasa hosted two Community Chats

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on the topic of pest on June 27th the

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community chat focused on paying for p

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mitigation which was held at the Chapo

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public library and on July 30th another

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chat was held at lza Cafe in carboro

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both events were well attended with

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about 20 to 25 members of the public at

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each and fostered informed and engaged

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discussion staff are working on plans

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for two additional Community chats this

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fall and then in August aasa hosted a

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briefing on aasa's P action plan for

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state senator Greg Meer state

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representatives Alan boy Renee price and

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a representative from US Representative

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Valerie fi's office um in addition we

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had a really good showing from local

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elected officials local government staff

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and the Press uh staff and our

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consultant walked attendees through the

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details and challenges of dealing with

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pasas including a really well attended

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tour of the pasas treatment pilot

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project at the water treatment plan we

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had an enlightening conversation about

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ideas for pursuing federal and state

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funding and staff for following up on

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some of the leads that they provided

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would anybody else like to provide any

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additional Reflections or takeaways on

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the

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briefing okay and now this is an

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exciting announcement um Monica Dodson

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has been named aasa's new Deputy

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executive director and Todd Taylor will

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provide the

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introduction yes it's my distinct

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pleasure to interv Monica doson as our

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new Deputy executive director um we had

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a very competitive Nationwide search for

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this position and uh got to interview a

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lot of interesting candidates but uh

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Monica bested them all as our homegrown

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uh candidate here and uh you know her 20

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years of experience here at aasa leading

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both our water resources and waste

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management teams are going to serve her

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very well uh in this position not to

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mention her leadership style her

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commitment to continuous Improvement and

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her unwavering support for the aasa

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staff will all pay dividends to us uh

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down the road as she uh transitions into

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this new role so please join me and

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congratulating Monica on this promotion

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and we very much look forward to working

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with her

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[Applause]

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thank y'all um I've had a very exciting

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career at AA so far um and I'm honored

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to be able to uh continue to serve this

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community can serve um the organization

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and our employees you know when I

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started a Wasa 20 years ago I was a

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young woman less than a year out of

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college and still very much trying to

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figure out what I wanted to do what my

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place was and so I feel very blessed to

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have found a Wasa um I learned early on

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that this was a place where I knew I

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could learn and grow and one where I

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could have a positive impact not only on

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the organization and the community but

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also the employees um aasa is full of

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talented hardworking dedicated employees

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and um they are certainly a source of

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motivation and inspiration for me and so

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I'm excited to continue to support them

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um to advance the organization and

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ensure our community our our our success

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um within the community especially with

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all the important work that we have

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ahead of us so o want to say thank you

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all um if it wasn't for your support we

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wouldn't be able to do what we do so

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thank

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you thank you

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very thank you Monica we're looking

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forward to working with you in your new

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role um and now our final announcement

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uh Mo Rashid PE has been named aa's new

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utilities engineer and Alison Spinelli

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will provide an

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introduction thank you I'm excited to

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introduce MO mois rased he prefers to go

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by Mo so Mo has nine years in the water

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and wastewater industry he has a

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background in both uh variety of

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Consulting as well as technology vendors

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most recently um Mo comes to us from a

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consulting firm called with's Ravenel um

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where he was doing a lot of facility

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type projects um he has a bachelor's

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degree from NC State and is a licensed

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PE here in North Carolina uh interesting

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enough he is a native of Chapel Hill so

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it's kind of fun to bring somebody back

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into the fold here with us um Mo joined

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us at the beginning of August and it's

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been a really great and seam list from

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that point on and so we're really

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excited that Mo's here and joins the

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Capital Improvements team and just want

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to welcome Mo as part of our our new

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engineering team as one of our newest

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utility Engineers

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Mo thank you for that very generous

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introduction um yeah I'm excited to be

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here I look forward to serving the

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community and my dad is already asking

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me a whole bunch of questions

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about but thank

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you thank you we're looking forward to

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working with you too and my parents also

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ask me a lot of

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questions um are there any other

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announcements by board

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members are there any other

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announcements by staff

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no um we're moving on to petitions and

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requests are there any petitions and

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requests from the

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public um are there any petitions and

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requests from board members I know of

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two Bruce and myself are there any

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more okay start with

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Bruce okay I have a

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um proposal that I'd like the board to

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uh consider uh uh discussing uh

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regarding how the uh budget alternatives

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are presented to us uh each year when we

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go through the budget cycle um and I

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bring it up uh now so that we can

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discuss uh if this is something we want

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to take seriously and perhaps at the

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next board meeting we can go into some

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details on on uh uh what the proposal

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should should look like unless board

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members want to just um discuss it now

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and make a decision at this point

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um the um typically what happens is in

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December uh we start the budget cycle at

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least as far as the board is concerned

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and Stephen presents uh What uh the

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schedule will look like and what we'll

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be doing at each each board meeting uh

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and then in the spring we get uh

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typically a a uh base proposal and then

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one or two

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Alternatives uh uh that uh would allow

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for lower uh rates um

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and those uh alternatives are pretty

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detailed in terms of the cost savings

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but my frustration has been that they're

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not detailed at all in terms of the

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additional risk that we're taking on by

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pushing projects out or not doing

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projects uh um and

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um uh so what I would like to do is uh

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see if the Bo is in uh agreement at

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least in part uh with respect to that

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frustration and if so uh requests that

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uh management produce board altern or

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budget Alternatives uh that include some

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assessment in a quantitative sense of

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what the the risks are that we're taking

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on in those Alternatives uh I understand

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that it will probably take a couple of

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Cycles to get to that point uh uh um

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because we will be asking management to

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to uh um project out unknowns and and

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and try to quantify some some unknowns

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but I think we can get there and and

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there will be some uh projects where

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we'll just have to say we we we don't

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know what it is it's it's just too too

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unclear um I I brought this up uh just

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before this this topic up just before

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the

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pandemic uh we did a little bit of work

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on it Stephen in particular did did work

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on it pandemic came and we made a

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decision to keep rates fixed for a

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couple of years uh so that essentially

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forced our hand in terms of what the

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Alternatives would be and uh never

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really restarted it but I think it's it

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it would I think it's an important

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Initiative for us to look at seriously

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um so anyway uh i' be curious to hear if

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other folks share that

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frustration uh and if so uh if if we

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should move forward with a discussion on

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what uh uh what a proposal would look

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like uh yes I think it would be nice if

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we have that proposal in in that or that

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presentation in that manner because that

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way it will be easier for us to assess

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and make a decision at the end so I

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think it's a it's to toward the benefit

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of the board and Wasa

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so would anybody else like to

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weigh I have a question for Stephen oh

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go ahead somebody over sure I'll say an

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additional benefit is that it would help

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um provides communicative value to the

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elected officials and and the general

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public um as well just like it does for

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us I mean it seems totally reasonable to

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me I my question for Stephen is is that

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feasible is there anything that you

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would need is that something that you

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can work

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in um so the last time we tried this

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this may have been

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staff's picking the wrong thing to start

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with we tried with in the operations

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department so we looked at the

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collection system and were trying to say

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trying to determine well if we spend

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money doing these things or don't spend

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money doing these things you know how

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will that impact the performance of the

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collection system and it was not a very

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satisfying uh exercise for us and I

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don't think for the board either um but

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when I uh Bruce gave us a little bit of

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heads up that he was going to bring this

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up tonight when I read your comment in

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your email for some reason hit me

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differently and um if we were to if you

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intended and and I would advocate this

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to focus on CIP projects as opposed to

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the operating group I think we could

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come closer to uh to something like that

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and as you know we've we've we've done

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that kind of at a not a very detailed

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level the last couple of budgets um I'm

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a little uh heartened by the fact you

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say it's going to take more than one

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budget cycle uh Todd and I were talking

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a little bit briefly this afternoon and

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our asset management

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program uh is is making some Headway but

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it's a long-term project that's going to

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take

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another two years give mind plus or

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minus a year um and I think that it will

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be able to to help us answer those types

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of questions not only um you know if we

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don't do this project kind of what are

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the what are the risk associated to but

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what what will we have to spend in

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maintenance as because we didn't fix it

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and that sort of thing so um I think we

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could make some to answer your question

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M I think we can make some steps um this

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year and and hopefully bigger steps as

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we as we go

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along with

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you I I think on the CIP projects

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projects I think that's basically where

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I'm um I like to have more info on that

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so and and as we talked before um we C

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staff certainly feels we have more

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flexibility in the CIP program as a as

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opposed to the you know the operating

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expenses I I think it's a good idea for

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us to as a board to understand the

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budget all of it not just the CIP but

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the operating Basics well yeah

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discussion we have at least a session

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that we had talked about a little bit

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before of having a session so that

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everybody gets on the same page and

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understand where we are and why we are

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where we are would be helpful

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just to bring the new people up and the

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old people to where we are and why we

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are where we are especially since there

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were things or I would say um

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circumstances that got us here from

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previous board

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activity or board decisions that pushed

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us

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to this outrageous percentage Inc that's

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my opinion and I've been is that

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different than what Bruce is suggesting

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are you suggesting no it's not I'm I'm

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supporting what he's saying okay but are

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you asking for something additional as

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well just want to be all inclusive okay

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yeah and and my my only point is

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um the risk assessment will be um I

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think more meaningful on the CIP side

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but I I take your point Didn't mean to

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apply we wouldn't we would just ignore

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that

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part anybody else have a does that seem

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good with that sounds reasonable I mean

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I I agree also that long term we should

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cover operations as well and and I I do

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see a a path to getting to operations

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but uh walk before we run yeah um so

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does it make sense then for

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maybe uh Stephen and I or Steph and I

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and Todd I'm not sure who the group

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would be to get together and and put

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together a proposal we can talk about at

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the next board meeting is that

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reasonable yeah that seems okay that

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seem to with you time yeah I think

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that's fine I just want to make sure

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we're getting it the expectations set

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out so that we don't go off and come

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back again with no I think it should be

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very narrowly scoped initially just so

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that we can respond I think as I Echo

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Steven's comments if we can focus on the

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CIP that makes sense maybe we you know

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we can discuss this maybe we even focus

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on a part of our overall C like we're

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focusing on the distribution system or

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something like that maybe run that out

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kind of see if are we getting before we

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do a whole lot of work and then yeah

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that makes complete tense just to kind

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of scope it so I think our Our intention

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would be that next meeting is kind of a

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conversation I think it's great that

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maybe we could get together kind of come

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up with a framework and then maybe

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discuss it see if we're hitting all the

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points of the next me that works okay

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cool you good with that yeah great all

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right um and then I also have a um

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request and this is to the board um for

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whether this is something we're

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interested in having aasa look into or

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investigate for its impacts to aasa um

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and so I'm just going to read from

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something that Kirk Ross who's a local

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journalist wrote uh earlier today um so

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on July 31st UNCC Chapel Hill filed for

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a permit modification for its Cameron

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Avenue co- generation plan that would

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allow it to um conduct a year-long test

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of replacing coal with pellets made from

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a mix of wood paper and plastic scraps

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if successful the change to the new fuel

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conversion would become permanent and

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the vendor making pellets would likely

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build a facility to gather and process

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manufacturing scraps to supply it likely

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by rail um testing provided by the

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vendor said that the percentage of

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plastic in the pellets runs from 15 to

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40% an additional appendix included with

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the application shows that the pellets

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also include varying amounts of P

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compounds um so far um the North

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Carolina Department of Environmental

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Quality shows that a public hearing and

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public comment period has has not been

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scheduled aside from a UNCC press

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release two weeks after the permit

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modification uh public discussion has

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been minimal um there are lots of

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reasons to discuss this and the reason

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that I think that our board would be

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interested in this um is that um there

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is both

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um um most studies that they have shown

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and that were in this report that they

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released looked at groundwater and

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waterways um but there's also the issue

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of potential um contamination of Wells

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crops and lakes downwind of the plant

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and our water source University Lake um

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could potentially be affected by these

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plastic pellets being burned at the

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co-generation plan um and

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so um the university says that it will

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monitor the pasas to make sure that

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levels are acceptable um but experience

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tells that they should also have to

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monitor emissions which they have not

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said that they would do yet um and so

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this would be introducing pasas into a

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process that would be being burned at a

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downtown facility um surrounded with by

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schools hospitals and our nearby local

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water supply so it does seem like

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something that we as a board should be

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aware of and potentially ask aasa to

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investigate so um when I first read

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about this it was uh buried on the UNCC

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website um and journalists brought this

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to the attention of the public and so

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this is more of a conversation for the

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board on whether we are interested in

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having a Wasa look at this or to ask for

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more information from UNCC so that we

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can be better informed about the test

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that UNCC plans to

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conduct go

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ahead the question I have is about the

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remediation or the cost of cleaning up

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the psp4 when it hits to water is there

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a cost attached to the contaminant

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Organization no there's no process not

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not in the report that has been released

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so far so being part of the discussion

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that we had with the legislators and

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people like that would lend one to think

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that going forward there might be a

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process where you can actually have the

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people that are contaminating the water

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pay for it's clean up at some point yeah

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that that is not on the UNCC website and

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that has that topic is not included

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not so my question is who will oversee

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besides

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UNC as far as how much pasas is been

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released because I know if UNCC has

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interest in it who else would be

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overseeing you do we know I we don't

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know but that is something that we could

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ask aasa to have a conversation with UNC

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we could ask aasa if there's going to be

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a public hearing on this topic um this

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is this is a board discussion is this

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topic like something that we are

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interested in asking aasa to investigate

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further so that we as a board can learn

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more about this planned um pilot study

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and what it might do to our

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community Kim yes I think so

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um I'm shocked that anybody's even

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talking about burning Plastics at any

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level anywhere

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yeah and

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um yeah it should be investigated okay

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other people I I think the dialogue

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would be useful um I think to answer

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your question this is DQ that manages

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this whole thing oh yeah my

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understanding is Department of

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Environmental Policy yeah and my

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understanding is that the

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um uh they're also the ones that like

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manage public hearings associated with

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that so

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um but this is in theory to increase you

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know air quality so I think it's good to

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have the dialogue yeah would anybody

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else like to I mean I I think that it

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would be useful to have the dialogue and

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for aasa to enter this conversation um

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because um just from doing you know the

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reading and talking to reporters who

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have been looking into this um my fear

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is that it would affect University

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lake so I I I agree with the dialogue I

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would like to add dialogue with a

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purpose yeah what is the expectation

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from this

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dialogue yeah

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um my thought would be that uh we would

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reach staff reach out to UNC just to

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learn more about potential impacts to

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aasa as far as the water and wastewater

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are concerned and then report back to

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the board on what we have learned and

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that be the first step and then we can

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take take it from there as to how we

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want to proceed once we know a little

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bit more this is kind of hot off the

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presses we we haven't had a lot of time

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to talk to anyone about it or plans are

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so I would say give us if if the board's

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interested refer it to staff give us the

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opportunity and we'll report back on on

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what we find it is there

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um an an industry in existence now that

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does this are there um it's small and

519
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it's in um very specific places in the

520
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United States as far as I'm aware

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they're not usually in population

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centers the way that our Coen plant is

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on in the middle of a neighborhood

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okay um my reason for asking was uh less

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about sort of the sighting but more um

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are there other places where we can get

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information on what the emissions are so

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if the inity already exists we the

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University of Missouri is doing this

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okay so may may make sense also Todd to

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do at least a little bit of research and

532
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see if we can get some information from

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ex you know existing

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operators that's a good point yeah did

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the excuse me did the article say if

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this is in Li of switching to natural

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gas because for a time they were going

538
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to switch to natural gas it seems like

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this is the pilot that is going forward

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this mixture of wood plastic and paper

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they can't switch entirely to natural

542
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gas because you'd actually have to crank

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up the size of the pipeline okay

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Mill did they give any indication on the

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percentages of each of those components

546
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they did and there's a really detailed

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report that I can send everybody and you

548
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know if you're interested in this I

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don't know off the top of my head but

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yes there is a percentage of each one

551
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yeah that'd be great if we could have

552
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,799
yeah I'm happy to share that and uh with

553
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,480
respect to Bruce's comment about

554
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,240
emissions I'd be surprised if there

555
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,960
weren't data on emissions and my

556
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,080
goodness I can't imagine getting that

557
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,399
permitted without an understanding what

558
00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:29,480
the permissions are

559
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,159
yeah I mean they they they do have

560
00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:33,159
everything listed out are are the

561
00:24:33,159 --> 00:24:34,640
concern of the reporters is that it's

562
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,080
been disaggregated and the way that they

563
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,240
burn these products is not

564
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,960
disaggregated so so um I think getting

565
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,720
more information is a really good first

566
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:50,310
step and I appreciate staff looking into

567
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,279
this does anybody else want to say

568
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,320
anything on that topic mam chair for as

569
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,470
a matter of History the University

570
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,520
uh

571
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,440
emissions have ended up on top of within

572
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640
the resources of and

573
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
um without question have adversely

574
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,120
impacted the community during all the

575
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,640
years since I've been in Chapel Hill

576
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,720
since

577
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,360
1963 you know if the things that PO to

578
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,440
mind immediately are the collash under

579
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600
what used to be the police station still

580
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,520
is but um it's it's always been amazing

581
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,799
to me that conversation about that

582
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,720
collash has not included the University

583
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080
where it came from agree if you go to

584
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,320
the other end of the pipe to the steam

585
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,559
generating plant that has deposited Ash

586
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,080
on the houses of the people who lived

587
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,679
around that plant ever since I've been

588
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:54,399
in the community and long before

589
00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:59,320
that uh I can't imagine

590
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,399
that the university would even apply for

591
00:26:02,399 --> 00:26:05,000
such a permit without a widespread

592
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Community conversation about this

593
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,679
because what it does is that Coen

594
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:15,080
plan has impacted the community in an

595
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,799
adverse way for so many years promises

596
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,799
have been made over and over again and

597
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,679
broken over and over again by the

598
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:26,039
university to switch to fuel sources

599
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,559
that were less harmful to the community

600
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,279
uh and it's it's astonishing to

601
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,039
me that

602
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,600
uh the community would have

603
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,760
learned about this

604
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,159
proposal only by reason of the diligence

605
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:45,960
of reporters who don't have a newspaper

606
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,440
to write anything in the traditional

607
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,320
sense the process for getting the

608
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,039
permit uh is managed by

609
00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,080
DEQ under rules that are in place those

610
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000
rules permit the public to request

611
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,039
public

612
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,919
hearings before the permit is issue and

613
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,360
I would think at the very least

614
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:14,200
University ought to be advised that the

615
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,600
community community is going to insist

616
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,679
on uh public

617
00:27:18,679 --> 00:27:20,880
hearings where information can be

618
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,880
developed analyzed considered and where

619
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,039
the community can come to a consensus

620
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:28,240
about whether or not you want another

621
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,159
impact like the CO as impact or like the

622
00:27:31,159 --> 00:27:34,159
impact of the Coen plant for all the

623
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:38,000
years uh I see my friend braxon sitting

624
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,080
here braxon uh fushi has led a community

625
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,039
effort for many years to try to get

626
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,399
folks who lived around that plant for so

627
00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:49,440
many years relief from what the

628
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,399
University was doing to them we're in a

629
00:27:52,399 --> 00:27:55,600
different era now yeah but we're

630
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,720
still I mean I can't imagine that there

631
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,159
that they're considering doing this

632
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,760
without a fullsome community involvement

633
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,600
so that's my herang about it me for

634
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,279
jumping in but I think please don't

635
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,000
apologize I appreciate the historical

636
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,600
context and I agree with you I mean I I

637
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960
think that this is something that as far

638
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720
as I'm aware it has not come up before a

639
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,399
public board prior to tonight and um I

640
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:24,200
would encourage the people here to both

641
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,519
contact the two town councils and see

642
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,480
what we can do to um encourage the

643
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960
university to have a very full community

644
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,840
conversation about

645
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,159
this and now you said you'd be sending

646
00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:38,840
us that article yeah I'm happy to send

647
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,559
you the three articles that have been

648
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,200
written by journalists as well as the

649
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200
report that UNCC has put out um and I

650
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,559
will send that to you as

651
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,679
well um okay does anybody else want to

652
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,200
say anything on that topic and thank you

653
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,880
for taking the time on that I appreciate

654
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,320
it I do have a question who issues the

655
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960
uh permit the town of

656
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,960
no the DQ the the Department of

657
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,279
Environmental environment quality yeah

658
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,799
so it's it's a state level

659
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,519
decision so um just wanted to make

660
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,559
people aware and um happy to work with

661
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,200
you on next steps um we will now move on

662
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,919
to the consent agenda there it's a

663
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,960
really really big consent agenda so bear

664
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480
with me and let me know if you'd like to

665
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,000
pull something from the consent agenda

666
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,559
there's 13 items um I'll just read all

667
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,240
of them and if you want to pull it tell

668
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,159
me um afterwards uh one is a report for

669
00:29:33,159 --> 00:29:35,120
material procurement for the Clark Lake

670
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,519
Road water main replacement project two

671
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,720
is a report for chemical procurement for

672
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,799
water and wastewater treatment

673
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,360
processes three is an annual report on

674
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,519
disposal of surplus personal property

675
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,679
four is um the update from the diversity

676
00:29:52,679 --> 00:29:54,880
Equity inclusion and belonging program

677
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,519
and equal employment opportunity for

678
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,080
fiscal year 2024

679
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,279
five is the Capital Improvements program

680
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,799
semi annual

681
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,559
report six is the pre preliminary

682
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,480
financial report for the 12-month period

683
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240
ending uh June 30th

684
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880
2024 seven is the quarterly report on

685
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,440
attendance at board meetings eight is

686
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,960
the fiscal year 2024 budget

687
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,880
amendment nine is the review proposed

688
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,440
work plan for aasa's executive

689
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,559
director 10 is the resolution accepting

690
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,720
lead and copper rule revision

691
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,840
funding 11 is the resolution accepting

692
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,360
an increase in state revolving Loan Fund

693
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440
for the West Cameron water main project

694
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
12 are the minutes of the June 13 2024

695
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,200
meeting of the board of directors and 13

696
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,120
are the minutes of the June 13 2024 Clos

697
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,159
session of the board of directors are

698
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:49,679
there any public comments on any of

699
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:50,640
these

700
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,919
items okay um are there any questions

701
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:55,559
comments or would a board member like to

702
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,399
pull an item from the consent agenda

703
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:01,519
number four number four number four is

704
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,880
the diversity Equity inclusion and

705
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,600
belonging program update and equal

706
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,639
employment opportunity for fiscal year

707
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:10,039
2024 would anybody else like to pull

708
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,000
number five number five from Michael

709
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840
that is the Capital Improvements program

710
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,080
semiannual report um anybody else should

711
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,960
we um have a motion for the remaining

712
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320
items and then we can pull those opers

713
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600
so I have a couple of questions and

714
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,519
comments comments that

715
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,519
are uh that don't rise to the level of

716
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,200
pulling the items which items do you

717
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240
want to question or

718
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,880
comment um and

719
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000
I item two I have a comment

720
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,919
on uh that one is going to be

721
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,679
pulled um why don't we pull them so we

722
00:31:50,679 --> 00:31:54,440
can um motion the rest and then we can

723
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,240
okay okay and what are the other ones uh

724
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,240
this one is the no that one's already

725
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,399
been pulled uh that one's been

726
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,279
pulled uh

727
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:10,639
the financial six month Financial I have

728
00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:16,350
a question on what number is that

729
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,679
um is it the preliminary six okay okay

730
00:32:20,679 --> 00:32:26,480
and then this one is number nine number

731
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,519
nine okay so here's what I'd like to do

732
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,519
I'd like to make um a motion in a second

733
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,080
to approve

734
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,639
1378 10 11 12 and

735
00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:43,960
13 and then I would like to pull 2 4

736
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,360
five six and

737
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,000
nine for discussion did I do that

738
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,799
correctly uh it would be more

739
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,039
appropriate for another uh member to

740
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,840
make the motion okay and a second from a

741
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080
board member okay then I will just date

742
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,720
them and I will ask for a motion thank

743
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,320
you may I please have a motion all right

744
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Todd makes the motion may have Myra

745
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,480
second all right um all those in favor

746
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
say I for the list that I

747
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,039
just I okay those opposed say

748
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,600
nay okay great the motion passes for the

749
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,039
items that I just outlined let's do

750
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,440
these in numerical order to make it easy

751
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,880
so we're going to start with two which

752
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,840
is the report for chemical procurement

753
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,519
for water and wastewater treatment

754
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,519
processes and Bruce has a question okay

755
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,039
it should be pretty simple um the uh

756
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,799
aluminum sulfate is this a

757
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,880
commodity is that a commodity

758
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,110
chemical I want

759
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,840
to I'm Kelly safield Director of Finance

760
00:33:52,840 --> 00:34:00,669
Monica

761
00:34:00,679 --> 00:34:03,039
I'm uh Monica doson Deputy executive

762
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,360
director I'm not sure what you mean by

763
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,880
commodity um okay here's my my concern

764
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,839
there's a pretty wide range of prices

765
00:34:10,839 --> 00:34:13,560
here and you normally wouldn't expect

766
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,440
that for a commodity they'd be really

767
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,919
tightly um grouped together um which

768
00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:20,320
leads me to

769
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,960
believe uh is something funny going on

770
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,079
like for example the product we'll get

771
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:28,879
from

772
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,800
usco is not of the same quality as the

773
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,919
others it just looks funny those numbers

774
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:36,879
so the the winning bid was actually the

775
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:39,079
current product we've been using um for

776
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:40,960
several years so certainly don't have

777
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,720
any concerns with um with the quality of

778
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:47,079
it maybe it's because we had an existing

779
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,960
relationship and yeah that's fine that

780
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,079
answers it okay that's

781
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,960
fine just recognize a lot of these

782
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,040
chemicals that we use are specific that

783
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,560
you can put it into water drinking water

784
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,000
so they are not like you know you just

785
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,320
couldn't go buy a raw aluminum sulfate

786
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,359
somewhere it actually had you know okay

787
00:35:08,359 --> 00:35:10,079
standards there that other things aren't

788
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,320
in it okay that could contaminate the

789
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,720
water so okay but presumably that the

790
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,720
chemical from all four of these

791
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,720
suppliers are those requirement um but

792
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,720
if if it's working for us and it's the

793
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,320
same stuff then that answers the

794
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,720
question okay question on process would

795
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,079
it be appropriate to list that fact like

796
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,119
this is a current supplier in the future

797
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:44,069
I think that would be useful think so

798
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,960
that yeah all right let's move on to

799
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,599
number four which is the diversity

800
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,280
Equity inclusion and belonging program

801
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520
update an equal employment opportunity

802
00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:04,990
for fiscal year 2024 Al my okay

803
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,359
a couple of questions here with regard

804
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:10,079
to when did the position become vacant

805
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,200
exactly because you said you're in the

806
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,520
process of um you filling it October

807
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,640
November yes that was in July I believe

808
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
okay so what's the process I mean I read

809
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,079
what you said you were doing did you

810
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,520
have an exit interview with the person

811
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,119
that left we did

812
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,560
and other than he left for more money is

813
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,640
that that's the story at a higher level

814
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920
position yes a higher level position

815
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,319
then our position is titled diversity

816
00:36:37,319 --> 00:36:39,599
equ Equity inclusion and belonging

817
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,680
Specialists and he took a director level

818
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,359
position so what what kind of of um

819
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:48,920
promotional opportunities there are none

820
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,160
for existing positions since this was

821
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,359
the first time you had a had a DB person

822
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,000
and so there's no growth within that

823
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,440
road as far as promotions or counter

824
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440
offers or anything like that um

825
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,119
specifically the person if they're

826
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,720
interested in the Director of Human

827
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,960
Resources position that would be an

828
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,280
Avenue for them um to to be promoted oh

829
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,640
I mean I'm just mean in in position in

830
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,480
title there's no growth opportunity

831
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,359
within a position if a person if you

832
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:21,560
wanted to keep a person that was already

833
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,119
here without giving them somebody else's

834
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,560
title you don't have any professional

835
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,400
development built and that's not just

836
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,680
for that position but for any position

837
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,000
for growth we do have professional

838
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
development opportunities with entitle

839
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,760
yes but that wasn't for this for the de

840
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,720
position well I would say that every

841
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,680
position has professional development

842
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,240
opportunities the person that we're

843
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,599
speaking of um took a the E Cornell

844
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,079
diversity Equity inclusion certification

845
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:52,800
program while they were

846
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
here I think specifically El Mar you're

847
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,640
talking about is there like a one two or

848
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,839
three or a an opportunity for that well

849
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:04,280
you counter offer people to keep them if

850
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,720
they're doing a good job sure without

851
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,720
without them having to leave to go get

852
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,800
something else I I know the E Cornell

853
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,200
stuff well yeah unfortunately we we we

854
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,599
don't have that for this much for this

855
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,640
position as far as you know TI other

856
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,640
titles or things like that we can offer

857
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,280
so what about can you explain the

858
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,319
belonging portion of your de I and

859
00:38:28,319 --> 00:38:30,280
what's actually happening here with the

860
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,680
B part sure um we just want to cultivate

861
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,560
um a sense of fulfillment for people a

862
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,680
sense of um being included and being

863
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,359
engaged being um invited to um

864
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,560
participate in things that maybe are not

865
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,960
on their job descriptions whether it's

866
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,800
serving on one of our committees on

867
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,800
interview panels attending training and

868
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040
things that um would be out there for

869
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,839
them that maybe are not specific to

870
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:02,839
their role so if they're say a treatment

871
00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:05,079
plan operator it may not have anything

872
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,760
treating water but they would be able to

873
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,720
uh to gain experience now for employees

874
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,440
we are we have a program um it's a bonus

875
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,680
pay program for additional

876
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,920
certifications that are above what's

877
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480
required for your position and sometimes

878
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,200
they very much align with the job

879
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,680
description and sometimes they're um I

880
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,040
would say valid or or accurate for

881
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,560
another position or maybe other skills

882
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,359
project management that sort of thing so

883
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,920
for the current opening that you have

884
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
for the deib person and you're going to

885
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,920
hire in October November so you have

886
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,839
candidates that you're bringing in now

887
00:39:44,839 --> 00:39:47,880
absolutely we uh got a great response to

888
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920
our recruitment we're currently um

889
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,720
screening we're doing telephone

890
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,760
interviews with 15 individuals and are

891
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,240
going to narrow that down

892
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,000
um and do inperson panel interviews

893
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,480
those are scheduled for the first week

894
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,680
of October okay it may bleed into the

895
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,160
second week of October

896
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,960
too one other question what may one

897
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,040
other question that I have with regard

898
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,800
to the the chart that's on page nine

899
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,720
that list the note at the bottom says

900
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,040
you know decline people declined the

901
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,160
offer or you failed the post offer

902
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,640
process what's the post offer process um

903
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,200
so all of our positions require a

904
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,560
physical as well as a drug screen as

905
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,230
well as background

906
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,680
checks verifying their education that

907
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,359
they put on their resume that sort of

908
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:41,119
thing oh

909
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,280
okay and back background checks I'm just

910
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,839
interested what would keep a person from

911
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,440
getting a job here if they fail a drug

912
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,720
screen if they um say they got a degree

913
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,160
somewhere and they

914
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,430
didn't it doesen it does

915
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,440
okay I I was just interested in in

916
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680
knowing what that was have you ever had

917
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,760
a board member participate in any of the

918
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,000
interview

919
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,200
processes I don't think that's ever

920
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,760
taken place to my

921
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
knowledge that has not not ever been

922
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,319
suggested forly in a board meeting there

923
00:41:17,319 --> 00:41:21,200
have been occasions where

924
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,119
conversations there have been occasions

925
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,040
where conversations about that have

926
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,560
taken place and we've always

927
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,319
um uh made sure that we reminded the

928
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,440
board to remind its relationship with

929
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000
the executive director Personnel matters

930
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
are matters that are generally within

931
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,960
the authority of the executive director

932
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,359
and uh the extent to which a board

933
00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:49,960
member might be interested in

934
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,119
participating uh would suggest a

935
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,000
dilution of the uh executive director's

936
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,400
auor authority over hiring U and firing

937
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,800
so for that reason our advice has always

938
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,160
been it would be inappropriate to have

939
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,440
member okay I was just interested to

940
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200
know how how brought diversity into the

941
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,680
process because I don't see a whole lot

942
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,480
of diversity in staff sure so we always

943
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,880
make sure we have you generally have a

944
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,079
four sometimes five but mostly four um

945
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:26,200
member panel for each Recruitment and um

946
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,680
there has to be

947
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,000
um minority representation as well as

948
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,760
representation from outside the

949
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,200
department okay what about

950
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,079
Community

951
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,319
people we've done that at times where if

952
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:43,920
we've had a position um one comes to

953
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,319
mind um it was our director of

954
00:42:47,319 --> 00:42:50,640
Information Technology and we used a

955
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,760
member of the another municipality

956
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,280
another local entity um that had um

957
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,200
extensive Information Technology um

958
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
experience and understanding and they

959
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,920
were on the panel so we've other used

960
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,119
other municipalities that sort of thing

961
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,559
okay CU I was just thinking about people

962
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,920
that have knowledge of the community and

963
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,720
the diverse nature of the clientele that

964
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,200
the board serves as not a board member

965
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,079
that could participate in helping in the

966
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,880
process whether or not

967
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,760
that's outside of any rules or prohib is

968
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,359
prohibited I don't know if any law La

969
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:30,680
that prohibits it but some of the same

970
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,440
um concerns that were expressed about

971
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,599
board members about the delici of the

972
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,559
executive director's Authority okay we

973
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,319
tried very hard to maintain a pretty

974
00:43:41,319 --> 00:43:47,240
bright line uh between U board member

975
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,559
conduct and Community conduct and the

976
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,559
executive director's authority over the

977
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,390
staff

978
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,000
okay I truly appreciate your interest in

979
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,960
questions thank you wait wait there one

980
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,880
oh I'm

981
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,280
sorry how are you no wor is good uh

982
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,640
silly question I was looking at your

983
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,559
graphs on page S8 kind of sort of and I

984
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,800
was wondering if all the interviews for

985
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,839
your positions are done in

986
00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:20,400
person we try very hard for that um but

987
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,520
if there are people you know throughout

988
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,119
the the country and Beyond um sometimes

989
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:29,079
they are um virtual

990
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:30,720
interviews

991
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,720
okay on page nine I couldn't help but

992
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,680
notice and I don't know if this warrants

993
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,480
much analysis but when you look at the

994
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,559
hired percentages distribution across

995
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:46,480
the

996
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,440
categories they're very disproportionate

997
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,240
with the percentage of applicants in the

998
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,280
categories I'm sorry say that again I

999
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,119
just got to the right page sorry page

1000
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:59,150
page nine sure

1001
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,720
if you look at that last row on the

1002
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,160
hired percentages by the categories

1003
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,720
they're just they're disproportionate

1004
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,440
with respect to the pool of applicants

1005
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,720
in each of the categories sure we've

1006
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:13,240
discussed that before and there's

1007
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,520
probably a lot of reasons for that but I

1008
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,240
just want you know paid attention thank

1009
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,880
you on page

1010
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400
10 um could you help me understand what

1011
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,520
a protective service worker is and what

1012
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,520
they do the definitions of the EO

1013
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,520
categories of a protective service

1014
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,760
worker yes I don't have that that

1015
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,800
information in front of me I can let you

1016
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,400
know um there are definitions that that

1017
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,240
the eeo puts out for each classification

1018
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,640
and I know in years past I have emailed

1019
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,480
those to the board and I can do that

1020
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,520
this time just curious sure thanks

1021
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,520
that's all I

1022
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,440
got thank you yes

1023
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,839
yeah not yet

1024
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:03,079
uh the uh Apprentice program that was

1025
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,440
started in 2023 that's fantastic that we

1026
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,440
got three folks as permanent absolutely

1027
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,559
that's wonderful um

1028
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,720
the uh on retention that would be on

1029
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,880
page 10 of the package or page five of

1030
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,599
the report

1031
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,240
um uh do you have

1032
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,160
um sort of historical retention number

1033
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,920
maybe that you could send

1034
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,359
around last five years seven years

1035
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,839
something like that

1036
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,160
um uh I

1037
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,920
know the last few years we've had some

1038
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,160
some difficulty

1039
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,880
recruiting uh I don't know what why if

1040
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,240
that's if there's been a retention

1041
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,559
problem as well but that'd be useful to

1042
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,200
to send around and and maybe include in

1043
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,480
in you know future reports like this

1044
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,200
sure uh do you have something specific

1045
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,040
in mind or no just you know is is there

1046
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,880
a pattern there uh are certain position

1047
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,559
are we losing people in certain

1048
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:11,079
positions uh more than others or uh

1049
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:14,680
certain age age ranges were losing or I

1050
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,559
you I don't know just it'd be

1051
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,760
interesting from a pattern recognition

1052
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Point sure so I think I'd have to get to

1053
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,040
the right page um we did spell out

1054
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,160
information on the 20 people that we

1055
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,559
left in this reporting period is that

1056
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,040
the type of information that you're

1057
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,319
looking for ex but but historic maybe

1058
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,200
that's a normal those numbers are normal

1059
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,200
but if they're uh abnormal relative to

1060
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,559
history then that's a signal there's

1061
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,480
something going absolutely yeah we can

1062
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,760
certainly speaks to to the belonging

1063
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,480
piece if your largest on on that

1064
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,240
particular chart on page 10 if the

1065
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,950
majority of your people that are leaving

1066
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
everybody it's percentages and stuff

1067
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,839
people that the retention number is

1068
00:48:00,839 --> 00:48:03,240
extremely high white and it's extremely

1069
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:06,549
low for everybody

1070
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,319
else so the belonging program could

1071
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:13,160
probably use

1072
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,400
some oh I think our work will never be

1073
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,800
done and and the last one on uh page 11

1074
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,599
of the report 16 of the package so

1075
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,960
there's a drop off in women in the last

1076
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,800
three years or so uh is is that

1077
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,720
consistent with numbers that other

1078
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,359
Municipal municipalities have or other

1079
00:48:38,359 --> 00:48:41,200
organizations in the state or the region

1080
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,040
any sure any color you can shine on that

1081
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,359
I can look into that I I don't have that

1082
00:48:46,359 --> 00:48:49,280
information with me um the one thing

1083
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,720
that um with this report it's one day

1084
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,200
out of the year it's June 30th and we

1085
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,319
look at the data on June 30th and that's

1086
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:01,000
what we report to the board and so we

1087
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,359
fluctuate so much throughout the year

1088
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:08,160
but if we had um two three people leave

1089
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,319
in the prior month it you know and then

1090
00:49:11,319 --> 00:49:13,280
we increase it the next month once we

1091
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,520
recruit it just it's whatever it is on

1092
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,760
that June 30th date and that's always

1093
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,920
kind of yeah you know okay hurt my bell

1094
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,480
a little

1095
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,680
bit I have I have one question um it it

1096
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,880
seems like you got a lot more

1097
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,599
applications I'm just curious what you

1098
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,559
did what did you do that Chang that well

1099
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,400
I think it's it's in the report we went

1100
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,960
to a lot of different um um events and

1101
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,079
things like that I think you know we

1102
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,960
attended the minority participation

1103
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,559
program and learned a whole lot more

1104
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,079
about how we can can recruit women we

1105
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,799
went to the veterans and water Workforce

1106
00:49:48,799 --> 00:49:50,440
um the Central Carolina women and

1107
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,720
business career focused event um I

1108
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,839
personally went to several of these and

1109
00:49:56,839 --> 00:49:59,119
I attended the triangle Dei event one of

1110
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,200
the best things I've ever attended in my

1111
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,480
life and career on how to support

1112
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,440
re-entry and re-engagement into the

1113
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,480
workforce for those leaving

1114
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,200
incarceration um they started it off

1115
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,160
with a

1116
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,440
2hour um exercise where we played the

1117
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,880
role of trying to get our social

1118
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,359
security card and catch the bus to go

1119
00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:22,559
get all the documentation that we needed

1120
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,040
and then try and get an interview and

1121
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,240
how do we get to the interview if we

1122
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,760
don't have any money and it it was one

1123
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,240
of the best things I've ever attended so

1124
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,799
all sorts of things and at those things

1125
00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:35,079
you make um networking opportunities and

1126
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:36,920
and find out about all sorts of things

1127
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,839
so we've got our new deib plan in place

1128
00:50:40,839 --> 00:50:43,200
and we're looking forward to to grow in

1129
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,200
it even more um in the next

1130
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,440
months thank you very much does anybody

1131
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,520
else have any okay great thank you thank

1132
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,799
you so much I appreciate the interest

1133
00:50:53,799 --> 00:50:56,880
okay and now we will move on to we have

1134
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,880
three more excuse me the Capital

1135
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,720
Improvements program semiannual report

1136
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,559
um Allison and

1137
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,680
Michael hey Elison hey Michael question

1138
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,160
what do we use permanganate for at

1139
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,559
University Lake we permanganate could

1140
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,440
too control iron and

1141
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,920
manganese so there's iron and manganese

1142
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,480
in the reservoirs and when they reach

1143
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,319
certain levels they can cause

1144
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:25,119
um coloration of the water or taste and

1145
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,799
odor issues and so we treat at the lake

1146
00:51:27,799 --> 00:51:30,160
and so that helps to allow enough

1147
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,440
contact time for the iron and maganese

1148
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,559
to interact with the oxidant to bring

1149
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:35,920
that out of solution and then we remove

1150
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,640
it during filtration great answer do we

1151
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,599
have like a sump or something that we

1152
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,359
add the chemicals to and then pump them

1153
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:45,319
up here I mean what's the

1154
00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:48,160
process are you referring to the process

1155
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,839
at Cane Creek or the process at

1156
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:51,920
University Lake University Lake okay

1157
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,200
perfect so at University Lake we have a

1158
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,079
bulk tank of permanganate a sodium

1159
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,000
permanganate Solution that's um now

1160
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,480
housed in a a new building we used to

1161
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,559
feed it out of chemical totes within the

1162
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,920
existing Pump Station okay um but we've

1163
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,400
now created a more reliable sustainable

1164
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,359
solution that has it fully inclosed away

1165
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:16,920
from the public all of that and so we

1166
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,440
meter in the sodium permanganate into

1167
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,480
the actual raw water line that comes out

1168
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,319
of the pump station and that mixing that

1169
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:27,359
happens from the pump station where it's

1170
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:30,240
in injected into that raw water line it

1171
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,359
it travels and mixes that whole way down

1172
00:52:32,359 --> 00:52:33,920
jonesberry road back to the water

1173
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,880
treatment plant and then it enters into

1174
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,359
the rest of the treatment facility and

1175
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:41,960
there it it oxidizes out iron and

1176
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,319
manganese and then that's captured

1177
00:52:43,319 --> 00:52:45,280
through the rest of the process like

1178
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,240
infiltration cool thank you um might

1179
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:54,030
have another question

1180
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,040
sure um yeah so this is about on

1181
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,799
page well it says two at the top but

1182
00:53:02,799 --> 00:53:04,599
this is kind of directed to the

1183
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,119
engineering group I

1184
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,200
think

1185
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,200
that you know we say a conservable

1186
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,960
amount of CIP work was accomplished

1187
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,680
despite Staffing challenges which

1188
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,559
continue through the year and to combat

1189
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,000
this temporary project management

1190
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,760
support from Jacobs um was provided I'm

1191
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,640
just curious what what they did for us

1192
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,960
they served as an acting project manager

1193
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,440
so they sat here in our office at least

1194
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,920
one day a week and then did ancillary

1195
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,960
work um either at their home office or

1196
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,000
um in the field doing Project work as if

1197
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,839
they were assigned as a team member on

1198
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:43,160
my team okay how many staff did you have

1199
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,680
from Jacobs just one uhuh one

1200
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,440
part-time cool daffer all right and kind

1201
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,799
of one last request sure table

1202
00:53:53,799 --> 00:53:57,359
one I'm wondering if you all could

1203
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,319
provide that spreadsheet form or some

1204
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:03,839
other way that you know it's legible

1205
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:05,680
when either we print it out or we want

1206
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,520
to study it sure we were so effective

1207
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,720
and productive there's so many on this

1208
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,559
list this year so yeah we can definitely

1209
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,400
do that so I I printed it out on tablet

1210
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,559
paper so I can read it but I can't and

1211
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,400
uh you know it'd be well suited to um

1212
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,520
you know if I could get it into Excel

1213
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,920
and split the screen and you know keep

1214
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,160
column and Rose where I could have a

1215
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,799
hard look at it' be great sure that's

1216
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:32,400
how I produce it so it's easy enough for

1217
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,440
us to share it thank you yeah no problem

1218
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,000
thank you thanks okay two more um and

1219
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,760
these are both Bruce so the first one is

1220
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,599
number six the preliminary financial

1221
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,040
report for the 12-month period ending on

1222
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,040
June 30th

1223
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,799
2024 okay um s excuse uh so on the

1224
00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:57,440
system development fees dollars are not

1225
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,760
large but there's a huge variance uh the

1226
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,400
the actual is 2.7 million the budget was

1227
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,119
1.0 I may show my ignorance here but it

1228
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,079
would seem to me that we have pretty

1229
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:14,680
good visibility into um the the system

1230
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,720
development projects we're going to do

1231
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,240
uh so why is it off so much is there

1232
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,000
something else going on or it's uh I may

1233
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,559
not be the best person that answer this

1234
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,880
and I'm looking around and I think the

1235
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,520
person that is might not be here no he's

1236
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,640
he's oh sorry on the wrong side of the

1237
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,480
room uh fish nuk and gather director of

1238
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,480
engineering so system development

1239
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,319
projects we do track them and try to

1240
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:44,920
provide as good you know as good of a

1241
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,760
forecast as we can um just like our own

1242
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,480
CIP projects they're so many of them are

1243
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,880
subject to you know changes and delays

1244
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,920
accelerations and I think this there was

1245
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,960
one project in particular that was

1246
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,280
accelerated if I'm okay if I'm

1247
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,440
remembering correctly so we actually

1248
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,480
don't have very good visibility into

1249
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,920
what's going to happen okay that's fine

1250
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,880
that's fine okay I I you know I'm a

1251
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,160
pattern matcher type of person and when

1252
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,400
I see big variances that I always wonder

1253
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,839
if there's something hidden behind it

1254
00:56:18,839 --> 00:56:20,640
but that okay that's

1255
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160
great anybody else have anything on that

1256
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,720
one and then this our last one um number

1257
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,079
nine the review proposed work plan for

1258
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,839
aasa's executive director okay and Todd

1259
00:56:32,839 --> 00:56:36,480
this one on on uh item number two for

1260
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,559
you Financial Management number B says

1261
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:41,839
monitor financial and fraud management

1262
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:44,319
as well as customer building monitor

1263
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,839
sounds too weak to me I sure would like

1264
00:56:46,839 --> 00:56:49,680
to have something like you know ensure

1265
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,319
that we have the proper controls in

1266
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:54,839
place rather than just monitoring what's

1267
00:56:54,839 --> 00:56:59,960
going on does that make sense absolutely

1268
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,599
okay is that

1269
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:07,839
so I wrote ensure that proper controls

1270
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:10,799
are in place for financial and fraud

1271
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:14,240
management as well as customer billing

1272
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,640
performance it's on page 42 of the

1273
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,440
package can I can I ask one question

1274
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,920
from page 43 um do you know when we'll

1275
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,520
get an update on care to share and in

1276
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,039
coming in house I think we're planning

1277
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:31,079
on if I'm correct yeah it's like January

1278
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,760
February time

1279
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,079
great about that all right so here's

1280
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,680
what we're going to do now we pulled

1281
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,160
items two four five six and nine and if

1282
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,680
there are no additional questions or

1283
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,280
comments may I have a motion and second

1284
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,119
to approve 24 five six nine I'll make a

1285
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,200
motion great thank you

1286
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Michael Bruce all right we have a motion

1287
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,839
by Michael and a second by Bruce all

1288
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:03,839
those in favor please say I I I I okay

1289
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,640
the motion for those items on the

1290
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,839
consent agenda um passes

1291
00:58:10,839 --> 00:58:13,000
unanimously we will now move on to the

1292
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,760
regular

1293
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,680
agenda and this first item is

1294
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,799
exciting um it is a resolution honoring

1295
00:58:21,799 --> 00:58:24,599
the service of Mary Dar to the Chapel to

1296
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,920
the carboro Chapel Hill Orange County

1297
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,359
Community um so I'm going to read this

1298
00:58:30,359 --> 00:58:33,440
out loud would you like to come to the

1299
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,470
podium

1300
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,839
love okay so I'm going to read from here

1301
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:42,359
and then I will come to the podium

1302
00:58:42,359 --> 00:58:45,079
whereas after working more than 30 years

1303
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,000
as an aasa professional engineer Mary

1304
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,799
Dar will retire on November 1st 2024

1305
00:58:51,799 --> 00:58:53,960
from her present position as Deputy

1306
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280
executive director and the board of

1307
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,440
directors wishes to thank her for her

1308
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,280
work as an essential Public Employee in

1309
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,880
service to our community and whereas

1310
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,319
Mary began work for aasa in

1311
00:59:07,319 --> 00:59:10,280
1994 as a utilities engineer where she

1312
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,079
soon became known for her willingness to

1313
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:14,480
undertake and complete the difficult and

1314
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,039
often complicated projects necessary to

1315
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:18,799
guide the operation and support the

1316
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:20,920
replacement and new construction of

1317
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,079
water and sewage infrastructure vital to

1318
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,319
the life of our community she was

1319
00:59:25,319 --> 00:59:28,119
promoted to serve as operations engineer

1320
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,079
director of engineering and planning and

1321
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,200
then as general manager of operations

1322
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,200
and she will retire having most recently

1323
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,880
served as Deputy executive director of

1324
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,880
aasa and whereas Mary well and

1325
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,400
Faithfully performed her

1326
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,520
responsibilities including management of

1327
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,319
aasa's water supply water distribution

1328
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,799
and Wastewater collection systems its

1329
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:51,000
water and wastewater treatment plants

1330
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,359
its reclaimed water system along with

1331
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,039
its Laboratories and maintenance

1332
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,280
operations she will be remembered by her

1333
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,000
colleagues for her warm smile and

1334
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,400
enthusiasm in service with all of them

1335
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,079
and her willingness to notice and then

1336
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:04,760
to help those who needed a lift or a

1337
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,960
hand up or some thoughtful suggestion to

1338
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,000
help them through their day indeed it is

1339
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,319
remarkable that even with so many

1340
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,760
responsibilities Mary always found time

1341
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,520
to help whoever needed her encouragement

1342
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,280
and whereas throughout her career she

1343
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,039
was instrumental in planning and

1344
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,039
executing projects such as the

1345
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:26,799
preparation of aasa's sewage use

1346
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:29,280
ordinance which today protects aasa's

1347
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,520
sewage sewer infrastructure from

1348
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,880
dangerous and damaging inflows she was

1349
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,680
in charge of various award-winning

1350
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,280
projects that brought National and

1351
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,720
international recognition to aasa

1352
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,960
including the 2005 partnership for Safe

1353
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,599
Water directors award and the 2011

1354
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,119
excellence in water treatment award she

1355
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:49,760
was also project manager for the

1356
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,119
construction of the operations center a

1357
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,480
building intended to build relationships

1358
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,400
between the engineering and operations

1359
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,280
staff and whereas Mary Dar has earned

1360
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,079
the admiration and respect of co-workers

1361
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,640
at aasa our local governments the

1362
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,599
University of North Carolina at Chapel

1363
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:08,599
Hill and other professionals within the

1364
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,960
National Water and Sewer industry her

1365
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,760
character and her work will now serve as

1366
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,319
her Legacy to aasa and our

1367
01:01:15,319 --> 01:01:18,920
community now therefore be it resolved

1368
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,359
that the board of directors of the

1369
01:01:20,359 --> 01:01:23,039
orange water and sewage Authority hereby

1370
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:24,920
honors and expresses its sincere

1371
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,000
appreciation for the distinguished

1372
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,359
Public Service of Mary Dar PE to aasa

1373
01:01:30,359 --> 01:01:32,039
and the people of carboro Chapel Hill

1374
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:33,880
and Orange County and the Border

1375
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,960
directors extends our best wishes to

1376
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,920
Mary for good health and happiness in

1377
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,640
your retirement may I have a motion and

1378
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,920
second to approve the

1379
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,319
resolution P

1380
01:01:45,319 --> 01:01:46,920
Pedro

1381
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,480
Bruce okay we have a motion by Pedro and

1382
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,559
a second by Bruce I'm getting teary all

1383
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:54,430
those in

1384
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,640
favor all those in favor please say

1385
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,319
I the motion passes unanimously and the

1386
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,200
resolution is approved congratulations

1387
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:20,910
thank

1388
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:29,890
you that was

1389
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:30,580
[Music]

1390
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:47,309
[Laughter]

1391
01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:49,599
are there any public

1392
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:54,510
comments there is

1393
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,960
one I'm going to get my

1394
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,119
water okay yes so um Ed Kerwin really

1395
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:03,799
wanted to be here tonight he was a

1396
01:03:03,799 --> 01:03:07,680
wasa's executive director from 1996 to

1397
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,400
2020 um and again he very much wanted to

1398
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,400
deliver his remarks about Mary Dar in

1399
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,359
person at tonight's meeting but he's

1400
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,559
under the weather and asked me to read

1401
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,000
his um comments on his behalf so I'm

1402
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,039
doing this all for Ed so it sounds like

1403
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,559
he's right here

1404
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:30,119
you're welcome all right I join the aasa

1405
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,079
board of directors general counsel and

1406
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:36,000
staff in acknowledging and thanking Mary

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01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,319
Dar for her 30 years of progressively

1408
01:03:39,319 --> 01:03:42,480
responsible and truly impactful Public

1409
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,200
Service Mary has always worked very

1410
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,000
effect effectively with others

1411
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,520
throughout the organization and

1412
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,960
Community to ensure aasa successfully

1413
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,920
fulfills its critically important resp

1414
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,039
responsibilities to provide Chapel Hill

1415
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,520
carboro the university and Southern

1416
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,000
Orange County with high quality and

1417
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,359
reliable water services around the clock

1418
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,880
in doing so Mary always displayed

1419
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,680
genuine caring for others she's a true

1420
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,240
team player Mary's very knowledgeable

1421
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,799
and experienced in nearly all aspects of

1422
01:04:17,799 --> 01:04:20,680
aasa's operation and she has freely

1423
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,920
shared her knowledge support and

1424
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,670
guidance with others

1425
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,200
if I

1426
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,279
had if I had to pick and highlight just

1427
01:04:32,279 --> 01:04:34,400
one of Mary's many accomplishments that

1428
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,640
would that will continue to benefit our

1429
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,240
community in the years ahead it is the

1430
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,359
inspired leadership role she had guiding

1431
01:04:42,359 --> 01:04:44,839
our team to further improve our drinking

1432
01:04:44,839 --> 01:04:47,640
water quality this resulted in aasa

1433
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,079
becoming the only becoming only the

1434
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,240
ninth water treatment plant in the

1435
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,200
country and the first in North Carolina

1436
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,599
to be awarded the Excellence in water

1437
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,640
treatment award by the partnership for

1438
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,200
safe water in 2011 the partnership for

1439
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,599
Safe Water comprises six organizations

1440
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,000
including the EA and the American

1441
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,319
Waterworks

1442
01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:11,559
Association this award acknowledged that

1443
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:14,520
a the aasa team was operating a fully

1444
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,119
optimized water treatment process the

1445
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,079
aasa team has suain sustained this level

1446
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,839
of drinking water and treatment

1447
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,839
optimization for over 10 years Mary

1448
01:05:24,839 --> 01:05:26,160
would be the first

1449
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,160
to give full credit to all her

1450
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,119
co-workers for this

1451
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,240
accomplishment please know that Mary

1452
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,920
effectively LED our very inclusive

1453
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,480
process with Frontline staff and many

1454
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,240
others throughout aasa this initiative

1455
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,279
was an important part of our overall

1456
01:05:42,279 --> 01:05:45,480
work building a culture of teamwork

1457
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,160
continuous Improvement and performance

1458
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Excellence I'm so proud of how this

1459
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,480
initiative has been successfully

1460
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,319
expanded by the aasa team and Water

1461
01:05:55,319 --> 01:05:57,039
District distribution Wastewater

1462
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:00,559
collection treatment and reuse Mary

1463
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,440
would also be quick to give credit to

1464
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,440
the board for providing employees with

1465
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,240
competitive pay benefits and for

1466
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,599
supporting policies and funding to keep

1467
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,480
the organization sustainable I work

1468
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,279
closely with Mary and I could always

1469
01:06:15,279 --> 01:06:17,839
count on her to share her ideas and how

1470
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:20,079
we can improve especially when there

1471
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,359
were they were different than

1472
01:06:22,359 --> 01:06:25,039
mine which which makes for a healthy

1473
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:28,079
work envir ironment Mary it was a true

1474
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:31,119
pleasure and privilege working with you

1475
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,960
and I thank you so very much for your

1476
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,799
dedicated service wishing you all the

1477
01:06:35,799 --> 01:06:39,440
best and good health and retirement Ed K

1478
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:47,589
and

1479
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:52,750
Andy thank you

1480
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,480
Ed my turn yeah wow

1481
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,200
okay um anyways I just want to thank you

1482
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,079
Mel for the resolution that was lovely

1483
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,599
um I just want to thank the board this

1484
01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:08,559
board and the previous boards for the

1485
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,359
last 30

1486
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:14,589
years I'm not gonna make it through

1487
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:17,279
retirement um for all the support I want

1488
01:07:17,279 --> 01:07:21,279
to thank Bob Todd Ed K Andy and all the

1489
01:07:21,279 --> 01:07:24,440
staff um for the support through all the

1490
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,240
years um um AAS has been a great place

1491
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,079
to work staff supports one another we've

1492
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,599
heard that over and over again tonight

1493
01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:34,640
um and the board support staff and

1494
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:41,390
that's really important so thank

1495
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,039
you Bob say

1496
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,200
something anyways I really do truly

1497
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,400
appreciate all the opportunities I've

1498
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,119
had um and I also appreciate um that the

1499
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,079
board's allowed me and AAS has allowed

1500
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:57,039
me to give back to the professional

1501
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:59,839
organizations and the industry um

1502
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:02,599
through volunteer work and uh presenting

1503
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:04,279
at conferences and all the Innovative

1504
01:08:04,279 --> 01:08:19,470
stuff that aasa does so thank you very

1505
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:25,870
much that was great

1506
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,759
so the board will now move on to

1507
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:30,359
information and reports thank you Mary

1508
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,560
um we will get a update on the service

1509
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,080
line inventory and replacement program

1510
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,120
Mary tiger the director of community

1511
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,440
relations and Jesse duclaw the director

1512
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,679
of distribution and collection we'll

1513
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:44,319
provide a 15minute uh

1514
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,000
presentation all right that was a very

1515
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,520
inspiring presentation to follow up on

1516
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,719
so um I just want to start this

1517
01:08:53,719 --> 01:08:56,759
presentation tonight by acknowledging

1518
01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:00,520
the massive team effort that this whole

1519
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,239
program is and preparing for uh the

1520
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:04,920
compliance with the lead and copper rule

1521
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,359
has been um I stand here as one person

1522
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,719
why the director of community relations

1523
01:09:09,719 --> 01:09:11,920
is talking about it is that this whole

1524
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,679
program is getting ready to take a turn

1525
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:17,319
for a very public facing phase um and so

1526
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,440
we want to make sure that the board is

1527
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,719
up to date on the what and the wise of

1528
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:23,759
what we're talking about when we talk

1529
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:25,880
about the service line inventory and

1530
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,319
this pending replacement

1531
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,719
program I also want to acknowledge that

1532
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,480
massive team effort it's led by aliceon

1533
01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:36,560
Spinelli um our engineering manager for

1534
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,600
capital

1535
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,080
projects so before we jump into the

1536
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,480
details of this program I do want to

1537
01:09:43,480 --> 01:09:45,560
assure the board and the public that's

1538
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,480
watching we're not talking about this

1539
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:50,440
because aasa has a problem with lead um

1540
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:52,480
this is a national requirement for all

1541
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,400
Water Systems um that is above and beond

1542
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,640
beyond the existing lead and copper rule

1543
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,199
which aasa is in full compliance with um

1544
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:05,080
that original rule was passed in um

1545
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,280
1991 so the water leaving our water

1546
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,159
treatment plant has no lead in it and we

1547
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,760
have no known lead pipes in our

1548
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,840
distribution system that being said lead

1549
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,159
can enter drinking water through

1550
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,880
Plumbing um this diagram here on the

1551
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,280
screen is a one that's put out by EPA

1552
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,320
that shows how lead can enter drink

1553
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,440
drinking water through private Plumbing

1554
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,560
we add um Ortho and polyphosphate to our

1555
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,800
water to prevent the corrosion of pipes

1556
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,640
and plumbing fixtures um kind of coats

1557
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,840
the pipes um this is a consistent

1558
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,679
practice with um state and federal

1559
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:43,800
guidelines additionally every three

1560
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,719
years we collect 30 samples from homes

1561
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:49,480
with copper pipes and Lead solder and

1562
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:53,000
since 2008 we have only detected lead in

1563
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,400
six of these sample sites and only one

1564
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,679
of those was above the um Action level

1565
01:10:58,679 --> 01:11:01,600
and then for that one particular site

1566
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,440
that home had no other um lead detects

1567
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,080
and it was cleaned out once they cleaned

1568
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,440
out their air Rader um so again we're

1569
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:12,280
not talking about this because we have

1570
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,400
an issue it's a it's a national

1571
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,960
requirement in December of 2021 the EPA

1572
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,239
finalized the revised lead and copper

1573
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:23,640
rule which enhanced the existing

1574
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,960
regulation in a number of ways

1575
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,400
so for the purposes of our discussion

1576
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,920
tonight we're really going to focus on

1577
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,920
three major aspects of this regulation

1578
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,840
and that is the lead service line

1579
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,760
inventory public education and Outreach

1580
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,719
and the lead service line

1581
01:11:39,719 --> 01:11:42,760
replacement and a big driver of this

1582
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,840
kind of Latter um topic the lead service

1583
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,000
line replacement program is the lead and

1584
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,440
copper rule improvements or what we call

1585
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,080
the

1586
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,360
LC so this is a proposed revision to the

1587
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,360
revised rule that is currently in draft

1588
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,679
form so it is not finalized yet we

1589
01:12:02,679 --> 01:12:06,920
expect this rule to be finalized anytime

1590
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,159
now um but it impr it enhances or

1591
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,880
improves the the new rule and so it's a

1592
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,639
it's a bit speculative in nature but

1593
01:12:16,639 --> 01:12:18,679
most in the industry are expecting it to

1594
01:12:18,679 --> 01:12:22,080
be passed as drafted again later this

1595
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,080
year so we have folded in the

1596
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,600
requirements

1597
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,120
of that proposed rule into our

1598
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,120
preparation for the

1599
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,159
LCR and the when we talk about the

1600
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:38,480
replacement program the LC is actually

1601
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,040
requiring replacement of any lead or

1602
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,639
galvanized lines that are requiring

1603
01:12:43,639 --> 01:12:45,560
replacement within 10 years of going

1604
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,719
into effect so it kind of enhances that

1605
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:53,750
replacement requirement um on top of the

1606
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,080
LCR so just to pause and Define what

1607
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,760
what is a service line when we talk

1608
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,840
about service line inventory service

1609
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,440
line replacement so a service line is

1610
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,120
the extend of pipe that connects the

1611
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,040
water m to the building Plumbing the

1612
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,199
portion of that line that between the

1613
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,719
water man in the meter is a wasasa it's

1614
01:13:13,719 --> 01:13:16,760
owned by aasa we put it in the ground

1615
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,000
the portion of the pipe that's between

1616
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,360
the meter in the home is the

1617
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,120
responsibility and under the ownership

1618
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,760
of the property owner um so up until the

1619
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,040
LCR Water Systems really had no no

1620
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,360
knowledge of the private side of the

1621
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,880
service line or responsibility for

1622
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,760
it the lead and copper rule revisions of

1623
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,120
the LCR requires Water Systems to take

1624
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,120
inventory of all the service lines in

1625
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,520
their service area there's really four

1626
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,320
buckets that we want to put those

1627
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,199
service lines into in this inventory

1628
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:53,679
first bucket is lead status unknown this

1629
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,159
is a completely valid category for the

1630
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:59,040
initial inventory that's due next month

1631
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,040
that we just don't know the second

1632
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,560
category is pretty self-explanatory lead

1633
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,360
service line so a portion of the pipe is

1634
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,639
made out of

1635
01:14:08,639 --> 01:14:11,960
lead the third category is a galvanized

1636
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,800
service line now galvanized service

1637
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,480
lines in and of themselves are not an

1638
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,239
issue but if they were ever Downstream

1639
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,600
of lead pipe they could have collected

1640
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,480
lead particles which could be freed up

1641
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:26,040
if there's a disruption in the

1642
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,320
distribution system so if there is a

1643
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,199
loss of pressure uh a meter is changed

1644
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,840
out service is cut on or off um if a

1645
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,199
galvanized line was ever Downstream of

1646
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,800
lead pipe it could have collected

1647
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,600
that if the utility if aasa cannot prove

1648
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,239
that a galvanized line was never

1649
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,080
Downstream of a lead pipe we have to

1650
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,320
assume that it some point it was so it's

1651
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,120
a out of an abundance of caution that we

1652
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,800
are considering galvanized service lines

1653
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,760
as galvanized requiring

1654
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,120
replacement and then this final category

1655
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,600
non-led um non-led could be any number

1656
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,719
of materials U most commonly copper or

1657
01:15:07,719 --> 01:15:11,320
plastic and ultimately the goal of all

1658
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,760
of this all of the regulation and aasa

1659
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,520
efforts are to get all of the service

1660
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,159
lines into that last category that's the

1661
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,639
that's the goal um so how are we doing

1662
01:15:21,639 --> 01:15:25,080
with this incredible really really in

1663
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,320
incredible um aasa's efforts to to

1664
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,719
bucket the utility or the the service

1665
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:33,120
lines so a little bit about how our

1666
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,920
process went of how we went about doing

1667
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,040
that we first looked at um historical

1668
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,440
work orders and Records to identify the

1669
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:41,920
service line

1670
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,320
materials then we looked at the size of

1671
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,040
the line and the date of the

1672
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,320
installation so service lines that are

1673
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,760
greater than three in are non-led we

1674
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,080
know that categorically so and any

1675
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,000
service line that was installed after

1676
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
March of 1987 we can categorically rule

1677
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,760
out as as not L because a ban went into

1678
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,679
place at that time so once we have this

1679
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,719
historical a after we had this

1680
01:16:05,719 --> 01:16:07,560
historical information we begin an

1681
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,560
iterative process of doing field

1682
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,840
verification and machine learning so

1683
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,840
doing statistical analysis using those

1684
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,199
field verifications to draw conclusions

1685
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,400
about what the service line material is

1686
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,520
and this is a practice that's accepted

1687
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:23,960
in the state we've turned over our

1688
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,679
methodology to the State and they have

1689
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:29,080
approved our statistical um verification

1690
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,520
method so to date um over 6,000 customer

1691
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,360
side services and all of the 78 unknown

1692
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,719
aasa side Services have been inspected

1693
01:16:39,719 --> 01:16:42,440
and in fact aasa was awarded a $1

1694
01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:44,199
million no interest interest loan from

1695
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:46,239
the bipartisan infrastructure law

1696
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,400
drinking water State revolving fund Leed

1697
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,120
service line replacement funds to fund

1698
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,719
our inventory work um and effectively

1699
01:16:53,719 --> 01:16:56,199
reimburse aasa for this work you guys

1700
01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:58,440
actually um approved the acceptance of

1701
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:00,880
those funds um in the consent

1702
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,400
agenda so if this sounds easy it

1703
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,320
absolutely was not and so I'm going to

1704
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,360
invite our director of distribution and

1705
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,000
collection Jesse duclaw to acknowledge

1706
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,600
the team that put in the work that got

1707
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,239
us to this incredible

1708
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,920
place thank you Mary I'm Jesse duclaw

1709
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,760
distrib director of distribution and

1710
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,440
collection I want to start by saying in

1711
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:25,520
my February March budget present a about

1712
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:26,719
some of the challenges this is one of

1713
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,920
the challenges we talked about and how

1714
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,719
big of a task this is and how big of a

1715
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:32,880
challenge it is um it would not be

1716
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,639
successful without the team that I have

1717
01:17:34,639 --> 01:17:37,239
as well as Alison spelli as the champion

1718
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:39,800
of the whole Le copper rule um

1719
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,800
addressing as well as uh Communications

1720
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,520
and Community rations department and

1721
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,639
what they've done but specifically I

1722
01:17:45,639 --> 01:17:48,480
want to say Marcus Fuller if you stand

1723
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,080
up Marcus is our crew Supervisor over

1724
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,639
valve maintenance and him and his team

1725
01:17:52,639 --> 01:17:55,960
have went under more than

1726
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,880
5,000 um as you see Josh patzer in this

1727
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,960
uh in this picture right here under

1728
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,760
5,000 crawl spaces in identified this so

1729
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,800
they have the leg work behind all this

1730
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,480
but also Nick Rogers if you would stand

1731
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:10,560
up he is uh the orc of our distribution

1732
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:11,880
system and he's been working with the

1733
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,320
teams to uh you know put this to the

1734
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,880
front of our goal and in front of our

1735
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,520
list to get it tackled in time so I want

1736
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:27,629
to say thank you

1737
01:18:27,639 --> 01:18:29,280
thank you Marcus thank you

1738
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,480
Jesse so where do we go from here so the

1739
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,239
initial inventory is due to the state by

1740
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:38,520
October 16th um and it must be available

1741
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,320
for all customers so we will be posting

1742
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,960
this inventory on our website and then

1743
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,920
within 30 days of posting that we will

1744
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,040
be sending um direct notification to all

1745
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,920
of our customers that have the

1746
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,000
galvinized requiring replacement lines

1747
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,480
which didn't actually talk about so we

1748
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:55,440
have

1749
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:59,120
110 um lines that that we estimate and

1750
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,120
we determine to be galvanized requiring

1751
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,600
Replacements the rest are non-led um so

1752
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,440
our um because of the work of Marcus and

1753
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:11,719
his crew um at narrowing that down we

1754
01:19:11,719 --> 01:19:14,320
really are focused only on these 110

1755
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,560
galvanized requiring replacement lines

1756
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,080
and

1757
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,800
customers so we'll be sending Outreach

1758
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,960
to them about what it means to have a

1759
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,760
galvanized requiring replacement line um

1760
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,960
and and where we're going from here um

1761
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,600
this is a sneak peek at what the what

1762
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,360
the inventory is going to look like

1763
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,400
that's posted on our website um so

1764
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,120
customers will be able to enter their

1765
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,400
address and zero in but they'll see from

1766
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,159
a a broad scale all of the service lines

1767
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,800
in the community um and then colorcoded

1768
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,360
based on is it lead status unknown

1769
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,760
non-led Le or galvanized requiring

1770
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,320
replacement and it's amazing that we can

1771
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,280
pull up a map that says you know as many

1772
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,800
non-ls um as we do if somebody types in

1773
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,880
their address they'll zero in um and be

1774
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,440
able to see a DOT at their property um

1775
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,880
and it will show there's two sides of

1776
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,320
the circle one is the Utility side one

1777
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,920
is the private side um and it'll say

1778
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,400
what we what the material is of both

1779
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,560
sides and how we got that information so

1780
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,040
this particular address the Utility side

1781
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,120
material is copper the private side

1782
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,719
material is unknown but we determined it

1783
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:34,320
to be not Le um the source of the

1784
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,719
Utility side how we got that information

1785
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:39,360
is through historical records and then

1786
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,920
how we um determine the private side is

1787
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,000
through that predictive modeling so we

1788
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,239
will also have information on our

1789
01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:46,679
website about what is predictive

1790
01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:48,280
modeling and how did we get there how

1791
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,159
did we get to

1792
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:53,239
that this one which on that screen is

1793
01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:55,360
worse than on this screen

1794
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,800
so is what the dot will look like for

1795
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,239
one of the 110 households that has a

1796
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:03,719
galvanized requiring replacement so

1797
01:21:03,719 --> 01:21:05,960
they'll zero in on their property and be

1798
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,199
able to see that and then we will have

1799
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:10,679
information for those customers about

1800
01:21:10,679 --> 01:21:12,800
again what exactly does that mean what

1801
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,719
is the risk of having a galvanized

1802
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:17,239
requiring replacement what can they do

1803
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:19,360
um as a property owner or a tenant to

1804
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,679
reduce that risk and then what are our

1805
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:23,960
plans moving forward on the replacement

1806
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,320
program what we know now and then how we

1807
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,880
will communicate about what we know in

1808
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,199
the

1809
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,560
future I see some yeah I I was gonna say

1810
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,400
can you just tell us briefly what the

1811
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,280
plan would be going forward for those

1812
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,040
110 folks I will get there yes yeah are

1813
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,920
they clustered in a certain geographic

1814
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,239
area are they kind of spread out they

1815
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:49,639
are so more so in the downtown area

1816
01:21:49,639 --> 01:21:51,600
because they're the older homes like we

1817
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,199
can there is but there's no kind of

1818
01:21:54,199 --> 01:21:56,480
pattern Trend actually turn it to

1819
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,239
Allison who's been looking a lot more at

1820
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,960
the the data the prevalence because this

1821
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,440
is a sneak peek I say because we really

1822
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:06,040
are like doing this machine learning um

1823
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,520
kind of hot off the

1824
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,189
presses did I

1825
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,199
answer um Mary answered it appropriately

1826
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:16,360
a lot of it is clustered very closely to

1827
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,120
where we have older sections of town and

1828
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,719
maybe areas that haven't been

1829
01:22:19,719 --> 01:22:22,719
revitalized or redeveloped where um the

1830
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:23,880
service lines would have been renewed

1831
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,239
for another reason so it's a lot of

1832
01:22:25,239 --> 01:22:28,639
older homes or um just areas that have

1833
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:30,560
an experience for

1834
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,920
development both both I'm curious uh

1835
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,440
using a predictive model uh you'd have

1836
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:42,840
to train that on positives so if there's

1837
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,880
so we would never predict lead in our

1838
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,520
predictive model because we will never

1839
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,800
find lead because we have no known lead

1840
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,639
sources of any pipe in our distribution

1841
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:55,760
system now we have found through all of

1842
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,800
the work that Marcus's team with Jesse

1843
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,760
and Nick have done over 78 um service

1844
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,520
lines on the private side that have been

1845
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,520
galvanized which is training the model

1846
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,159
in those certain areas that we may be

1847
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:09,239
more likely to see galvanized we also

1848
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:10,880
did have some galvanized showing up in

1849
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,920
some of our original records so that's

1850
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,719
also been training the model too um one

1851
01:23:15,719 --> 01:23:18,120
of the slides Mary showed earlier was

1852
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,760
there was the bar graph that showed from

1853
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,040
last June till now thank thank you um

1854
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,760
that there was an initial goal of 2,000

1855
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,400
that was the initial training set that

1856
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,080
we used so we needed to get 2,000

1857
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,040
physical inspections done on service

1858
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,280
lines in order to have enough data to

1859
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,159
run the model for the first time and

1860
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:43,360
then based on that model it gave us the

1861
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,000
next sets of data that we needed to try

1862
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,920
and find to fill the gaps where we

1863
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,800
didn't feel like we had the right level

1864
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:57,149
of um accuracy in terms of predictions

1865
01:23:57,159 --> 01:23:59,040
a question on the model that sort of

1866
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,520
feeds it to how we communicate this to

1867
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,679
people is was the

1868
01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:06,040
model like a traditional statistical

1869
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,600
model where you have parameters that are

1870
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,080
variables that have coefficients that

1871
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,199
are predicting something some number or

1872
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:12,719
it was it more of a neural network and

1873
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:15,080
you don't really

1874
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,920
know what the what led to a particular

1875
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,320
house being

1876
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,719
flagged it is more of a neural network

1877
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:24,920
if I understand um so we using a

1878
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,840
software called lead cast and a lot of

1879
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,880
it is being done by their data analytics

1880
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,400
we are feeding the model through our

1881
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,360
work but I am not as familiar as some of

1882
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,719
the background data that might be in

1883
01:24:37,719 --> 01:24:43,629
there

1884
01:24:43,639 --> 01:24:46,920
okay one of the positives and bit on it

1885
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:48,880
that we do have in the model or the

1886
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,239
galvaniz requiring replacement as she

1887
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:54,480
said we don't anticipate any lead but

1888
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:56,280
that would be the positive in the

1889
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,600
model are you still do you still have

1890
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,159
slides uh okay why don't we hold

1891
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,030
questions until the

1892
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,159
end

1893
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:11,880
sorry so a little bit about the kind of

1894
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,440
communication that we do with these 110

1895
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:16,080
customers so I mentioned that we'll send

1896
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,920
a letter within 30 days of publishing

1897
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,480
the inventory and then we will send

1898
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:24,320
those customers a letter annually

1899
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,880
reminding them about their service line

1900
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,880
we also will send any new customer that

1901
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,040
moves into that um household information

1902
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,280
about that once as we figured out out

1903
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:35,760
the replacement program we'll be

1904
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,119
communicating directly with those

1905
01:25:37,119 --> 01:25:39,960
customers as well um and then also if

1906
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,920
post disturbance so if we have a water

1907
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,440
line break if we do a disconnection or

1908
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:49,080
um any sort of um instances that could

1909
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,880
free up potential lead in those lines

1910
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,320
we'll be communicating with those

1911
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,760
customers um about steps that they can

1912
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400
take to minimize their risk and in some

1913
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,679
cases when there's a major disturbance

1914
01:26:00,679 --> 01:26:02,880
we will be providing them with uh

1915
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,520
pictures picture filters um and six

1916
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:06,840
months of

1917
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,639
filters so I want to point out here that

1918
01:26:09,639 --> 01:26:12,679
the Outreach for customers with unknown

1919
01:26:12,679 --> 01:26:14,119
service lines this would be the

1920
01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:15,960
requirement for our communication with

1921
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,560
customers so in with a Wasa setting a

1922
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,880
goal of having no unknowns it really

1923
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,199
minimizes a lot of necessary

1924
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,960
communication and kind of red flag

1925
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,520
raising for our community so it's a

1926
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,239
really important thing that aasa did and

1927
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:39,430
um having zero

1928
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:42,679
unknowns so beyond this where do we go

1929
01:26:42,679 --> 01:26:44,440
so when we think about the lead and

1930
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:47,560
copper rule improvements so the

1931
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,520
requirements around that in the

1932
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,560
replacement program so that rule is

1933
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,040
going to require that you utility submit

1934
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,840
a baseline inventory to the state we're

1935
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,000
estimating around October

1936
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,400
2027 and that Baseline will set the 10%

1937
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,440
replacement rate that's required over

1938
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,400
the next 10 years so from that point

1939
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,760
forward every year utilities will be

1940
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,800
required 10% to replace 10% of their

1941
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,560
Leed galvanized requiring replacement or

1942
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,639
unknown service lines um and so that

1943
01:27:19,639 --> 01:27:24,199
sets the um sets the Baseline of how

1944
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:27,800
having any unknown um and then so then

1945
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,320
10 years later than that all known lead

1946
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,239
and galvanized requiring service lines

1947
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:35,719
must be replaced um with

1948
01:27:35,719 --> 01:27:38,679
non-led is that the private service line

1949
01:27:38,679 --> 01:27:40,440
or public service private service line

1950
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,760
are going to be required to be

1951
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,360
replaced and aasa absorbs the cost of

1952
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,800
that it is not required in the

1953
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,600
regulation that the utility pay for the

1954
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,400
replacement of the service line we do

1955
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,560
have we'll go to the next slide so our

1956
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,480
five-year CIP a budget to replace those

1957
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:02,600
service lines and at that point time we

1958
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,000
were estimating that we had more than we

1959
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,639
had over we were estimating that we

1960
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:09,440
would have over 300 lines and so that

1961
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:12,639
3.2 million and the 5year CIP was for

1962
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:15,400
that um we do estimate that it's about

1963
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,440
$110,000 per service line to replace

1964
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:21,719
that service line one of the reasons why

1965
01:28:21,719 --> 01:28:24,119
we're making the recommendation to move

1966
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:27,520
move forward with aasa paying for the

1967
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,000
service line replacement one is that

1968
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,960
it's compliance with regulations we will

1969
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,840
be held to that 10% replacement rate um

1970
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,239
and so it's incredibly important that we

1971
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,800
comply with that regulation one is it

1972
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,400
helps to ensure that it's Equitable in

1973
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,679
terms of when the service lines are

1974
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:48,159
replaced um if you can pay for a

1975
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:49,800
replacing a service line you're going to

1976
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,360
do it early if aasa can pay for it we

1977
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,360
can ensure that it happens um in a in a

1978
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,320
fast Manner and that it's done in an

1979
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,560
equitable way um and further it reduces

1980
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,400
the operational and contractual

1981
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,280
challenges so if we were to drag it out

1982
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,880
we are looking for a timeline of between

1983
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,520
2025 and 2027 of replacing all those 110

1984
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,159
service lines um and we want to do it in

1985
01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:16,960
that tight time frame because we

1986
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,400
anticipate that contractually that will

1987
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,960
be more attractive to anybody bidding on

1988
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,520
on this project um and then further it's

1989
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,719
going to reduce you know operational

1990
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:28,360
challenges when we talk about

1991
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,600
communicating with customers time and

1992
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,639
time again about having these galvanized

1993
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:35,280
lines um if we can knock those out and

1994
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,040
we can turn in that Baseline inventory

1995
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,119
in 2027 then we can kind of put this

1996
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:44,520
behind us and and move forward um so

1997
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,280
right now our estimated program costs

1998
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,639
based on the 110 galvaniz requiring

1999
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:51,159
lines that we um estimate to have is

2000
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:54,520
about $1.3 million

2001
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,080
we have some things to figure out this

2002
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,480
is a atypical project for us right

2003
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:01,600
that's on private property um we do know

2004
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,239
that we are going to need ride of entry

2005
01:30:03,239 --> 01:30:05,040
from the customers we're going to need

2006
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,800
their permission to um come and replace

2007
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,000
their service line we anticipate that

2008
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,199
we're going to do this work through a

2009
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:13,719
general contractor that will work with

2010
01:30:13,719 --> 01:30:16,239
licensed plumbers in the region we're

2011
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:18,320
going to have an open house on October

2012
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,480
11th here in the community room to talk

2013
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:23,239
with local General Contractors local

2014
01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:26,159
plumbers local plumbing supply houses

2015
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:28,840
about the program and get some of their

2016
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,280
feedback um that will be considered in

2017
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,760
the bid package so we can put something

2018
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,920
attractive out that will actually get

2019
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,360
bid on um but we know we have a lot of

2020
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,239
important things to consider to in

2021
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,480
setting up this replacement program the

2022
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,280
order of replacement although we want to

2023
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,719
do it in a pretty timely manner someone

2024
01:30:47,719 --> 01:30:50,119
has to go first we can't replace 110

2025
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:52,159
service lines in one day so there there

2026
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:54,199
will be an order and and how that is

2027
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:56,639
ordered um we've got to consider how to

2028
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:58,280
handle customers that don't want to work

2029
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,760
with an aasa contractor but are still

2030
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,840
going to be part of that you know

2031
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,199
requirement and then how how to handle

2032
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:07,080
customers that maybe recently replaced

2033
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,840
their galvanized service line and now

2034
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,520
you know they footed the bill and and

2035
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,480
now a Wasa is paying so there's and

2036
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:17,760
there's a list of other considerations

2037
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,760
that we need to think through as we

2038
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,760
design this program luckily we're not

2039
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,560
first um a lot of Utilities in the

2040
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,840
Northeast um and Out West have already

2041
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,000
gotten started on similar programs

2042
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,000
Raleigh down the road has gotten started

2043
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,440
on their replacement program so we have

2044
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:36,360
some peers that we can look to for some

2045
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:40,669
lessons learned

2046
01:31:40,679 --> 01:31:44,639
um so um with that you know we will

2047
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,600
certainly be informing the board as we

2048
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,960
figure out those details of the

2049
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,320
replacement program and no action is

2050
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,360
asked of you all tonight but again it is

2051
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,080
a very public facing we're moving into

2052
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:58,679
this public facing phase and wanted to

2053
01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:00,480
make sure that you all had the

2054
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,679
opportunity to ask questions and really

2055
01:32:02,679 --> 01:32:05,320
understand um what is going on so I'll

2056
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,080
turn it back over to Mel and yeah team

2057
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,080
is happy to answer questions thank you

2058
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,159
all three of you for that great

2059
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:14,880
presentation

2060
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:19,159
um what what questions do we

2061
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:25,119
have Kyle and then Pedro yes amyra Kim

2062
01:32:25,119 --> 01:32:29,639
um two questions uh one probably minor

2063
01:32:29,639 --> 01:32:33,159
is this document says there were 180 at

2064
01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:35,520
most and now here's 110 does that mean

2065
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:36,920
like they were flagged you check them

2066
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:38,400
and

2067
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,600
70 at the time of writing the memo that

2068
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,520
was the estimate and as the machine

2069
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,159
learning the last iteration of the

2070
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:47,480
machine learning has come through that's

2071
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:49,719
um been able to be tighten down a little

2072
01:32:49,719 --> 01:32:54,520
bit gotcha and then um

2073
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,199
maybe it's not I'm guess I'm just

2074
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:00,760
curious like if I were to go to this map

2075
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,480
I like and I see unknown notled if I'm a

2076
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,159
cautious person I might be

2077
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:08,800
like so like is is the map going to be

2078
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,040
behind a wall that explains the

2079
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,760
categories first or can there be like a

2080
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,119
tool tip on on that one that explains

2081
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:18,320
like if it's three inches of 1987 and

2082
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,600
why I should trust

2083
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,040
those things we will be providing

2084
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,800
information about the categories and how

2085
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,840
we arrived at the information

2086
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,600
yes my question I'm sorry I lost a

2087
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,520
little bit of the presentation as I went

2088
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,400
to the bathroom and apologize for that

2089
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,550
um I need to

2090
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:44,040
go anyway uh my question is on on regard

2091
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:48,000
of the uh service line is that after the

2092
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,040
uh

2093
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,239
meter the piece of service line that we

2094
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:54,719
are going to replace

2095
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,080
which is considered private is that what

2096
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,000
we're talking about yes that's what

2097
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,280
we're talking about we have um no known

2098
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,760
galvanized requiring replacement on the

2099
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,639
on our side of the meter and so we're

2100
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,719
really going to be looking at that the

2101
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:13,600
property owned side service line thank

2102
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,040
you okay thank you regarding the

2103
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,639
selection of the contractors that's

2104
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:20,520
going to replace that portion of the

2105
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,960
line that was is going to pay for is

2106
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,000
there a bid

2107
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,000
process that you use to select the

2108
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,080
people the different contractors that's

2109
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,719
going to come go out and um make these

2110
01:34:35,719 --> 01:34:37,760
changes thanks alar that's a good

2111
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,199
question so we are going to use a

2112
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:41,280
typical bidding process that we would

2113
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,440
for any other construction project it

2114
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:45,679
will be based off of a set of

2115
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:47,960
specifications the contractors will be

2116
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,960
given the different 110 locations with

2117
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,679
the requirements for each location and

2118
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:56,040
based off of that they will provide I'm

2119
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,320
not 100% sure it'll be a single lump sum

2120
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,080
or if it'll be like unit price bidding

2121
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,400
but they'll provide a number and low bid

2122
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,880
will be inspected to see if they're

2123
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,040
responsive responsible safe kind of our

2124
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,960
normal procedure so you expect to have

2125
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,440
one company do all of it or can you have

2126
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:14,239
multiple companies it would be our

2127
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,119
preference from a Contracting standpoint

2128
01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:19,560
to do one contract um with a general

2129
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,920
contractor who then could choose to have

2130
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,520
several different

2131
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,000
plumbers yeah there there are some

2132
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,920
complicating factors we've looked we've

2133
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,880
looked into that as well of areas where

2134
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,119
we can um invite um underutilized

2135
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:37,800
businesses minority businesses

2136
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,520
women-owned businesses um there will be

2137
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,840
some specific State revolving fund

2138
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,560
requirement loan requirements

2139
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,119
potentially so we're just going to make

2140
01:35:47,119 --> 01:35:48,440
that very clear when we have the

2141
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:50,159
contractor openhouse so anybody who can

2142
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,280
meet those requirements of um certified

2143
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,920
um payroll living wage Davis bacon able

2144
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,239
to there there's a a few things that we

2145
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,320
want to make sure that we consider if we

2146
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,080
go down that path but we would be

2147
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,239
welcoming to any small business to be

2148
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:10,400
supporting that process well I'm just

2149
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,920
thinking of the diversity equity and

2150
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:17,000
inclusion part of bidding on contracts

2151
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,719
when you have small businesses that are

2152
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:21,800
in the area uh plumbers Etc that can do

2153
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,840
this kind of work but don't have the

2154
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,760
magnitude of a big contractor to be able

2155
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,880
to bid on 110 different projects but my

2156
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,880
other question is the rates the is the

2157
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,040
payment for these Services part of the

2158
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,840
rates that we are going to be

2159
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,239
paying yes it's currently included in

2160
01:36:41,239 --> 01:36:44,119
our budget um and just one more thing

2161
01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:46,440
with the open house scheduled for the

2162
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,960
October 11th we are including every

2163
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,320
local plumber that we can get a contact

2164
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,280
for so we're trying to connect General

2165
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:55,880
Contractors with those plumbers so that

2166
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,360
they can build those relationships and

2167
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,360
have have those as subcontracting

2168
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,239
opportunities okay so the small business

2169
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:06,080
person or Plumbing would have to work

2170
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,040
under a general contractor which is what

2171
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:09,800
your preference is for awarding the

2172
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,360
contract correct and we're we're open to

2173
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,480
different teaming opportunities so if a

2174
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:17,280
general contractor wants to have five

2175
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,159
different local plumbers working for him

2176
01:37:19,159 --> 01:37:21,480
or if he wants to have one that's going

2177
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:22,920
to be up to them for how they want to

2178
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,840
manage what what their bid looks like

2179
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,159
but we're looking into having a pretty

2180
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:30,639
open dialogue with those contractors and

2181
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:32,480
plumbers when they come here for a visit

2182
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:35,560
so we can learn what type of solution

2183
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,480
works

2184
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,320
best please consider expanding what you

2185
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,719
require them to do so that they can

2186
01:37:41,719 --> 01:37:43,520
actually work with some small business

2187
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,800
people in the community absolutely yeah

2188
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,520
or use some of the small business people

2189
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,119
I would say as a previously working in

2190
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:50,679
the contractor world there's a a

2191
01:37:50,679 --> 01:37:53,199
requirement that aasa has for soliciting

2192
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,440
and reaching out to local underutilized

2193
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,599
businesses minority companies and it's

2194
01:37:57,599 --> 01:37:59,520
not a it's a goal but it's also a

2195
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,639
requirement to show where they did reach

2196
01:38:01,639 --> 01:38:03,719
out where they have solicited for

2197
01:38:03,719 --> 01:38:05,440
assistance on these projects well

2198
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:07,520
whether they use them or not you can ask

2199
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,320
but you still don't have to select a

2200
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:10,920
requirement or something that they

2201
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,560
actually have participation and the

2202
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,239
state has verbiage in there that

2203
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,960
requires that you to not like the very

2204
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,360
first one is you can't dismiss somebody

2205
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,520
because of you know any reason and why

2206
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,040
you chose them and why you didn't chose

2207
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,320
them so it's a it's a pretty robust

2208
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,080
program that the state runs that aasa

2209
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,719
aderes to okay thank

2210
01:38:29,719 --> 01:38:32,480
you

2211
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:36,040
Kim I'm just wondering I don't know who

2212
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,159
to ask or who would even know but if

2213
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,119
there's any evidence on the flip side of

2214
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:44,760
this issue are there doctors in the area

2215
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,760
finding kids that seem to have lead

2216
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,199
poisoning is that just a non-issue in

2217
01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:52,800
our area or if it was a non-issue if it

2218
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,750
was an issue would we

2219
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:00,119
know not specifically related exactly to

2220
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:02,199
that question but one of the slides that

2221
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:04,360
Mary had showed earlier was the whole

2222
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,000
breadth of what the letting copper rule

2223
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,880
revisions is trying to do and part of

2224
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,239
that is school sampling and so that's

2225
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:13,920
another piece of this that um could play

2226
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,000
into that but we might not be privy to

2227
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,840
all of those results at this

2228
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,159
moment to Kim were you done

2229
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,639
okay Todd so what is what is the legal

2230
01:39:27,639 --> 01:39:32,000
enforcement mechanism for the state on

2231
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,000
aasa to have private lines like what if

2232
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,239
people just don't or what if we like

2233
01:39:39,239 --> 01:39:42,760
oasa didn't pay for this we would be in

2234
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,520
non-compliance with a regulatory

2235
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,840
requirement so there could be fines or

2236
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,159
there could be a notice of violations

2237
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:53,639
fin because of private inaction

2238
01:39:53,639 --> 01:39:55,960
the state has not released guidance yet

2239
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,360
on so I I I asked this because exactly

2240
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,800
because I mean from my perspective aasa

2241
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,119
has taken a hard stance against

2242
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,800
connecting people to Wastewater even

2243
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,520
though there are lots of people not

2244
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,679
connected to Wastewater within the

2245
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:14,639
service area and that has potentially

2246
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:16,920
horrible impacts on the community and

2247
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,440
like our water quality but for 110

2248
01:40:20,440 --> 01:40:22,679
houses some of which may be incredibly

2249
01:40:22,679 --> 01:40:26,480
wealthy in able to pay themselves we're

2250
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,480
gonna shell out like $1.3 million after

2251
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:32,239
raising rates like three years in a row

2252
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,320
so I think this this could be a very bad

2253
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,679
look honestly down the road um if you

2254
01:40:38,679 --> 01:40:41,639
know especially now that like if word is

2255
01:40:41,639 --> 01:40:43,440
out hey aasa is going to pay for this

2256
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:44,880
like none of these people are going to

2257
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,960
pay for their

2258
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,400
own to put some context in it we've been

2259
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,040
having conversations with our neighbors

2260
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,440
so Raleigh is paying for it Carrie is

2261
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:56,840
paying for it uh General consensus this

2262
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,719
is the only way that we will reach

2263
01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:01,960
compliance well you could turn them

2264
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:07,040
off I mean I I just I I I can't imagine

2265
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,920
how you

2266
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:14,280
know how Utilities in Western Carolina

2267
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:18,560
that have 80% leakage and are barely

2268
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,840
able to you know be solvent are going to

2269
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,400
do this

2270
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,280
I guess I don't know there I don't know

2271
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,880
if there's any insight into like the

2272
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,239
[Laughter]

2273
01:41:31,239 --> 01:41:33,760
actual and I I spoke with some other

2274
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,679
local Utilities in the area that are

2275
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:37,199
they've had some of the conversations as

2276
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:39,360
well like you just said what if we don't

2277
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,159
and the states saying there will be

2278
01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:42,520
fines I don't think they've detailed

2279
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,040
what they'll be right now but they're

2280
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,599
going to Levy but there's also an

2281
01:41:45,599 --> 01:41:48,199
operational impact if people don't

2282
01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:50,159
comply with the work that happens when

2283
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,920
there is a disturbance and um one more

2284
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:57,159
question so I'm wondering like uh is

2285
01:41:57,159 --> 01:41:59,880
there notification like are any of these

2286
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:02,159
rentals like is there notification given

2287
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,800
to the renters rather than the owners

2288
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,520
yes so we'll be communicating with the

2289
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,159
property owners as well as the the

2290
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:13,199
customer um so we'll you the person will

2291
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:14,760
communicate with the billing address as

2292
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,990
well as the service

2293
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,920
address um Susanna and then Bruce and me

2294
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,960
then I think we've got everybody

2295
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,159
we done you will have hit all of us um

2296
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:29,920
the uh I'm curious the machine learning

2297
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,960
component of it that what happens when

2298
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,920
you get to one of these that have been

2299
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:38,800
identified as having uh the galvanized

2300
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,239
pipes and then you discover that they

2301
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:42,520
don't and is that how does that

2302
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,320
information feedback loop take place so

2303
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,320
part of the State's acceptance of our

2304
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,599
machine learning methodology as well as

2305
01:42:50,599 --> 01:42:52,400
any other utilities machine learning

2306
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,360
methodology is that after you have your

2307
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,000
inventory and it's it's been accepted in

2308
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,119
October when we submit it there'll be a

2309
01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:02,920
requirement to go and spot check um it's

2310
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:05,440
based on the number of services in your

2311
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:09,159
inventory so for us with 22,000 Services

2312
01:43:09,159 --> 01:43:11,440
the equivalent statistical number that

2313
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:12,679
they're wanting us to spot check is

2314
01:43:12,679 --> 01:43:14,800
around that 300 mark so we're going to

2315
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,480
have to go and spot check 300 areas that

2316
01:43:17,480 --> 01:43:19,760
were identified as

2317
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,199
being either yes or no based on

2318
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:25,840
predictive modeling and confirm that the

2319
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,480
predictive modeling matches what we're

2320
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:30,040
seeing in the field I will say there has

2321
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,280
been no guidance yet supported from the

2322
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,080
state about what happens if they don't

2323
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,360
match so we are not sure what would

2324
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,880
happen if that's the case because the

2325
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,719
models 98% accurate based on the

2326
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,800
statistical modeling that we've seen to

2327
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,560
date so we're not sure what happens with

2328
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,639
that 2% that might not be accurate right

2329
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:50,119
the false positives and the false

2330
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:54,800
negatives and exactly yep thank

2331
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,880
you so we have um we have to start by

2332
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,960
2027 and we have to be done by 2037

2333
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:07,119
right if I recall that's the that's what

2334
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,440
we estimate to be the Timeline under the

2335
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:12,440
yeah the draft Rule and we have a ton of

2336
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:15,199
stuff that we're doing over the next

2337
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:18,119
three or four years with the past

2338
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:21,119
filtration and the clear well and the

2339
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:23,159
electrical distribution and then all the

2340
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:27,599
regular CIP stuff and

2341
01:44:27,599 --> 01:44:29,199
um

2342
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:32,040
all uh and I worry that we're taking on

2343
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:37,159
too much too fast uh and not being

2344
01:44:37,159 --> 01:44:39,679
required to do it this quickly I

2345
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:41,960
understand that there's operational

2346
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,360
benefit to getting it done

2347
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,520
quickly understand that but uh I just

2348
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,719
worry that we we're taking on too much

2349
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:53,159
stuff and there's a lot of unknowns that

2350
01:44:53,159 --> 01:44:55,480
will appear over time as we get into

2351
01:44:55,480 --> 01:44:59,239
these projects so is it is it wise to

2352
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:02,560
commit to getting this done between 2025

2353
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,360
and 2027 rather than leaving it a little

2354
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,040
further

2355
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,440
open I think I want to respond to that

2356
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:12,400
and a bit of what Todd you know the

2357
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:16,040
concern about paying for these ourselves

2358
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,320
and that yeah I think we have to take a

2359
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:21,760
step back from this and think you know

2360
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,840
what if there are what if there is

2361
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:28,280
Led in these lines

2362
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,560
y that is not healthy for those folks

2363
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,840
that live in that house that's not the

2364
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:37,159
level of service that aasa is expected

2365
01:45:37,159 --> 01:45:40,320
to provide um so there's a public health

2366
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,639
concern there there's also now we've got

2367
01:45:43,639 --> 01:45:45,960
that line that's out there that's got

2368
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,679
LED in it that's in service if there

2369
01:45:48,679 --> 01:45:51,360
were some kind of backflow event well

2370
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,800
then the rest of the distribution

2371
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,080
system get LED back in I think if you if

2372
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,119
we look at it through that

2373
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:01,639
lens these need need the these need to

2374
01:46:01,639 --> 01:46:03,599
come out of the ground okay that's the

2375
01:46:03,599 --> 01:46:05,400
effort that's across you know this this

2376
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,520
all came out of the Flint Michigan U the

2377
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,400
ble and that's the goal of this program

2378
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,679
is you know we're very fortunate that we

2379
01:46:14,679 --> 01:46:17,119
only have 110 of these galvanized lines

2380
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:18,679
that need to come out but there are

2381
01:46:18,679 --> 01:46:23,119
communities where maybe 50% of these are

2382
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:25,639
are actually LED so I think if we if we

2383
01:46:25,639 --> 01:46:29,000
look at that through that lens then we

2384
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,599
we need to as soon as possible address

2385
01:46:31,599 --> 01:46:34,800
this uh risk that's out there to uh

2386
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,199
public health so I think if we look at

2387
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:40,840
that and and we go address these right

2388
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,760
away I think it's a sense of comfort for

2389
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,280
the community we're maintaining the high

2390
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,159
level of service that our customers are

2391
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:52,400
used to and um you know we're we're U

2392
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,080
ahead of the game so to speak with

2393
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,800
you're not worried that we're taking on

2394
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,599
too many projects at at once this

2395
01:46:59,599 --> 01:47:02,679
is when I look at it this is how I've

2396
01:47:02,679 --> 01:47:04,199
gotten comfortable with it when I look

2397
01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:06,400
at it from that perspective it jumps up

2398
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,239
on priority okay so other things may get

2399
01:47:09,239 --> 01:47:11,639
delayed now yeah it's it's like I would

2400
01:47:11,639 --> 01:47:14,040
I would delay something else and do this

2401
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,880
instead because at it it's it's that

2402
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,199
that important okay it's also important

2403
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:23,560
to understand this is not a program

2404
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,480
was is undertaking

2405
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:27,880
voluntarily not our idea hey why don't

2406
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,119
we go out and check and see what which

2407
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:32,159
of these we can find right the federal

2408
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,360
government has said you will do this

2409
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,280
right and you will do it on this

2410
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,960
timeline those and the timelines that

2411
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,360
were set out on the on the slides 27 and

2412
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:46,360
37 or 25 and 3 uh so these are federal

2413
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:51,189
regulations that must be

2414
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:53,960
met I thought somebody would ask so what

2415
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,760
happens if you go to Joe Smith's house

2416
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,920
and Joe Smith says get the hell off my

2417
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,880
property well I have a Ser

2418
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,400
questions yeah I I I would imagine that

2419
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,960
that would be true for the public side

2420
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,560
of for the Utility side but I can't

2421
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,239
imagine there would be a federal that's

2422
01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:17,639
well how would that even be legally I

2423
01:48:17,639 --> 01:48:19,599
don't require you to imagine it but I do

2424
01:48:19,599 --> 01:48:21,639
require you to believe it because it is

2425
01:48:21,639 --> 01:48:23,320
true I mean the Federal government has

2426
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,520
now mandated that a was make sure that

2427
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,560
both sides of that service line both the

2428
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,560
was side and the privately owned side

2429
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,719
have no lid well it sounds then like

2430
01:48:33,719 --> 01:48:35,599
elmyra's solution is the one that gets

2431
01:48:35,599 --> 01:48:37,119
used at that point it's like if you're

2432
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:38,599
not going to let us replace it and we're

2433
01:48:38,599 --> 01:48:42,119
shutting off your water well I I would I

2434
01:48:42,119 --> 01:48:43,119
think it's

2435
01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:45,280
premature uh to try to make that kind of

2436
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,599
a determination today on the other hand

2437
01:48:48,599 --> 01:48:52,840
there may be other solutions that that

2438
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,360
I will add one little piece to the

2439
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,080
conversation

2440
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,360
so the ru makers did have some foresight

2441
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,840
into thinking that some people might

2442
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:05,520
either not be responsive or not um

2443
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,560
want yeah yeah exactly once someone

2444
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,599
coming onto their property so the rule

2445
01:49:11,599 --> 01:49:12,840
has been written that you have to make

2446
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,800
four attempts to communicate with each

2447
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,360
customer that you're coming to do the

2448
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,760
private side service replacement on they

2449
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:21,199
have to be different types of

2450
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:25,040
Communication phone email mailer

2451
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,760
postcard whatever they have to meet a

2452
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,719
certain criteria for the communication

2453
01:49:29,719 --> 01:49:32,199
to be listed as one of the four attempts

2454
01:49:32,199 --> 01:49:34,199
if after that they choose to still not

2455
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:35,960
be responsive you would list them as

2456
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:37,719
non-responsive but you would still have

2457
01:49:37,719 --> 01:49:38,760
to

2458
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,000
notify uh we would still have to submit

2459
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,719
an inventory with that being listed as

2460
01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:44,199
galvanized requirement replacement every

2461
01:49:44,199 --> 01:49:46,119
year in perpetuity and we would have to

2462
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:47,760
comply with the regulations for any

2463
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,520
disturbance notices going to that

2464
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,760
particular resident if they chose not to

2465
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,960
change their service line um in

2466
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,560
perpetuity which can lead to operational

2467
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,840
challenges I can imagine if a customer

2468
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,239
had to pay for the uh construction on

2469
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:07,520
their side of the

2470
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,159
line they would be more inclined to say

2471
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,880
stay off my property but one of the

2472
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,480
reasons that uh aasa's undertaking the

2473
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:19,480
cost to both sides of that line is to

2474
01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:22,239
make sure that that uh incentive is not

2475
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,000
there that is why on Earth would

2476
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,960
somebody say no i' even though you're

2477
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,400
willing to fix it and pay it have it

2478
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,920
fixed I'd rather have LD in my

2479
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:33,880
children's drinking water you I just

2480
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,679
don't think that's going to happen with

2481
01:50:36,679 --> 01:50:38,440
the sore frequency that we would be

2482
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,480
concerned about and I'll tell you Marcus

2483
01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:43,199
will tell you there is quite a few

2484
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:44,679
people in our community that don't want

2485
01:50:44,679 --> 01:50:46,239
you on their property and don't want you

2486
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:49,040
to even inspect so that will be an issue

2487
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,599
I'm

2488
01:50:50,599 --> 01:50:53,920
sure I I have uh three

2489
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:57,000
questions um the first is uh we talked

2490
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,520
about housing and it just the EP this

2491
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,119
rule just might be houses but my kids go

2492
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:04,079
to carbo Elementary which was built you

2493
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:06,800
know in the 50s are we doing anything

2494
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,270
about

2495
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,599
schools are schools part of

2496
01:51:13,599 --> 01:51:17,800
this so schools is part of a later phase

2497
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:23,750
in the Le copper Rule and and Provisions

2498
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,760
be but there are there are current state

2499
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:29,280
efforts that are testing school system

2500
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,880
which actually is going to fulfill the

2501
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,639
part of this rule requirement and we

2502
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:36,480
like will my kids be in elementary

2503
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:38,560
school or High

2504
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,480
School service lines the service lines

2505
01:51:41,480 --> 01:51:43,360
to the school are part of this process

2506
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,199
they're not excluded from that so

2507
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:47,840
they're inspected and okay A lot of

2508
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,880
times size takes place or you know is

2509
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,960
are they prioritized because they have

2510
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,960
kids in there the service line

2511
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,040
Replacements yeah I mean that would be

2512
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:00,719
part of the the process that we'll use

2513
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:02,840
to prioritize this system yeah okay and

2514
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:06,119
I will say that in Chapel Hill in carbo

2515
01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:09,119
we have done previous efforts of um

2516
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,719
significant School sampling for lead

2517
01:52:11,719 --> 01:52:14,360
okay so that was my first question my

2518
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,320
SEC second question was I think the map

2519
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,560
that we showed is the existing service

2520
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,480
area what about the potential extension

2521
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:23,079
of the service area

2522
01:52:23,079 --> 01:52:27,280
um with the Wasa agreement and the

2523
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,679
houses that are would be in that

2524
01:52:30,679 --> 01:52:33,920
area they well anything new we know will

2525
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,079
be categorically non-led um but these

2526
01:52:37,079 --> 01:52:38,719
are like old houses

2527
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:41,440
like if it if they're

2528
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:45,040
as yeah those those houses that would be

2529
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,760
added wouldn't have service lines right

2530
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,159
now they'd be on whales and would have

2531
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:50,280
to connect so they'd be they would use

2532
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,960
up toate um new um infrastructure new

2533
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:55,480
pipe they to their houses and they'd

2534
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:56,719
have to connect that with today's

2535
01:52:56,719 --> 01:52:59,040
standards okay cool uh and then Bob

2536
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,239
asked my third question so my fourth

2537
01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:03,320
question which is my last question and

2538
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:04,360
hopefully the last question for the

2539
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:06,119
group could we go back to the service

2540
01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:08,840
line slide of the picture yeah this that

2541
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,199
one the one that yeah I I thought I was

2542
01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:13,880
operating under the assumption that

2543
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:15,360
property owners were responsible from

2544
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,800
the line from the house to the main no

2545
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:21,040
so that's in the sewer service so oh oh

2546
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,400
okay so actually in ours I don't know if

2547
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,760
this has a pointer or not but um aasa

2548
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,520
aasa stops at this part where it leaves

2549
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,599
the meter Setter as our last goes from

2550
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:33,040
here but on the sewer line it's from the

2551
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,520
main to the house just wanted to clarify

2552
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,639
that um thank

2553
01:53:37,639 --> 01:53:41,719
you anybody else or I I do for on those

2554
01:53:41,719 --> 01:53:45,199
service lines if we take the schools for

2555
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:48,560
example to change those have you thought

2556
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:50,679
or analyzed that the cost might be

2557
01:53:50,679 --> 01:53:53,679
higher on those cases

2558
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:58,360
than a house cost uh have you taken

2559
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,199
account into that yeah but and I just

2560
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:02,560
explained a little bit about the school

2561
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,119
a lot of the school's infrastructure is

2562
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:06,239
because it's such a large water usage is

2563
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,560
larger and those aren't typically pipes

2564
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,040
that would be galvanized requiring

2565
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,960
replacement or potentially LED in that

2566
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,639
so that the cost would be higher and if

2567
01:54:15,639 --> 01:54:17,560
there is a university property or

2568
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,520
something that is a 2 in it would be

2569
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,560
more but I think that's averaged into

2570
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,920
the um estimated cost of all of them now

2571
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,760
a second question on this what happens

2572
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:31,920
with private uh businesses are we going

2573
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,480
to take care of them too or up to what

2574
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,159
at what point we are going to say this

2575
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:42,199
is you this is not no more of Wasa at

2576
01:54:42,199 --> 01:54:45,639
the expense of Wasa when do we have a

2577
01:54:45,639 --> 01:54:48,000
stopping point and correct me if I'm

2578
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,679
wrong Alison but right now a customer is

2579
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:51,440
a customer whether it's a commercial or

2580
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:52,840
a residence

2581
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,880
does UNC have a is you is UNCC part of

2582
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,480
this

2583
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,520
yes we talk a little bit about UNC and

2584
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,719
how much they might be there are a

2585
01:55:03,719 --> 01:55:05,560
handful of galvaniz requiring

2586
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:07,800
Replacements that are either on or

2587
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:10,199
adjacent to UNCC properties so we have a

2588
01:55:10,199 --> 01:55:11,880
meeting coming up later this month to

2589
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:15,760
talk with um UNC both their facilities

2590
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,960
folks their Plumbing staff their right

2591
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,800
of Entry team because we'll need to get

2592
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,400
a right of Entry to to UNCC property in

2593
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,000
the same way that we get right of Entry

2594
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:28,079
to private property um and in addition

2595
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:29,840
to UNCC as a stakeholder we're also

2596
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,079
having conversations with um both towns

2597
01:55:33,079 --> 01:55:34,840
because we don't do plumbing inspections

2598
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:36,320
but now we're going to have plumbing

2599
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,679
inspections and permitting required as

2600
01:55:38,679 --> 01:55:40,760
part of that so we're trying to wrap our

2601
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,440
arms around what the towns and the

2602
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:44,040
university are all going to require in

2603
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:48,599
terms of um planning permitting fees

2604
01:55:48,599 --> 01:55:51,840
inspection close out documentation all

2605
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,840
these types of things and sometimes when

2606
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:56,920
you do this kind of work it's much

2607
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,000
harder than anticipated or you you

2608
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,000
discover things that are you know you

2609
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,840
didn't know and it it could become much

2610
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,520
larger we are actively working on

2611
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,159
talking to the utilities that have

2612
01:56:09,159 --> 01:56:10,679
already started their galvanized

2613
01:56:10,679 --> 01:56:11,880
requirement replacement or their lead

2614
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:13,440
replacement plan to see what lessons

2615
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,199
learned that they have and the

2616
01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:16,560
consultant that we're working with has

2617
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,280
done this in a lot of of the

2618
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,440
northeastern locations which granted

2619
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:23,079
have a slightly different

2620
01:56:23,079 --> 01:56:25,920
um situation than we do you know homes

2621
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,400
are built differently The Meters might

2622
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,040
be in basements whereas meters here are

2623
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,119
out on by the sidewalk typically so

2624
01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:32,760
we're trying to capitalize on all the

2625
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:34,320
lessons learned that we possibly can and

2626
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:35,239
make sure

2627
01:56:35,239 --> 01:56:38,960
that we keep our arms around what we can

2628
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,520
actually do with compliance for this

2629
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,000
okay great thank you all right I think

2630
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:48,280
we're gonna WRA just okay go for a

2631
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:51,159
concern when we get into the replacing

2632
01:56:51,159 --> 01:56:52,800
this service line

2633
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,960
I'm just afraid that we might get into

2634
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:59,079
an expense equal to the pasas once we

2635
01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:03,840
keep adding you know more more to change

2636
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,360
and and if we go to the university and

2637
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,239
if there is a lot to be changed at the

2638
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:13,239
University those $10,000 we think for

2639
01:57:13,239 --> 01:57:15,599
unit or per

2640
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:19,040
unit it's not going to be nothing

2641
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,480
compared to the cost that he can be I

2642
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,239
I'm just concerned of the amount of

2643
01:57:25,239 --> 01:57:28,520
money that it can be spent if we don't

2644
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,390
be

2645
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,760
careful I think we share some of those

2646
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:37,040
concerns about what what we don't know

2647
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,520
that that might exist out there and

2648
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,040
that's unfortunately that that happens

2649
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,520
with every project we do there's only so

2650
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:48,040
much that can be determined in planning

2651
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,360
and so usually we build in contingencies

2652
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:52,960
and things like that to for those

2653
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,440
unknowns um hopefully with the scale of

2654
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:59,840
this being fairly small and working with

2655
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:02,719
some experience folks and like Allison

2656
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:06,440
said learning from uh others that have

2657
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:09,520
done this we can avoid some of the the

2658
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:12,360
you know bigger surprises that are out

2659
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:14,760
there thank

2660
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:19,719
you um thank you very much for answering

2661
01:58:19,719 --> 01:58:22,360
all of those questions um and for that

2662
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:24,239
presentation and I'm looking forward to

2663
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:25,679
the communication to the community and

2664
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:27,840
if there are things that we can do um to

2665
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,719
help please please let us know um it's

2666
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:32,639
now time to review the board work

2667
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:36,550
schedule are there any public

2668
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,040
comments um are there any requests from

2669
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,440
board members General Counsel or

2670
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,639
staff no thanks okay um over to Todd to

2671
01:58:45,639 --> 01:58:47,920
review the rest of the

2672
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:51,800
item yes um at the next at the October

2673
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,520
meeting Mee we will be having our annual

2674
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,840
meeting so Mar starn and Associates will

2675
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,360
be here to go over the audit with you

2676
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:01,560
all um we'll also be talking about the

2677
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:04,000
scope of work for the rate study um

2678
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,239
coming up then we added an item tonight

2679
01:59:07,239 --> 01:59:11,760
to that to kind of discuss this CIP risk

2680
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,880
U impact as far as budgeting is

2681
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,400
concerned um you also find the 12-month

2682
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,840
calendar in your agendas our uh pending

2683
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,639
St staff action items and the recurring

2684
01:59:24,639 --> 01:59:26,400
items for the next three to five years

2685
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:27,920
I'd be happy to answer any questions

2686
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,360
anybody has about

2687
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:34,510
that does anybody have any

2688
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:38,599
questions good on that um thank you very

2689
01:59:38,599 --> 01:59:41,679
much I'd be happy to summarize the items

2690
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:44,440
I have you summarize tonight's meeting

2691
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,560
um as I mentioned we will uh add the uh

2692
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:50,440
CIP risk impact discussion to the

2693
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,840
October board meeting agenda

2694
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,480
at Bruce's suggestion we'll investigate

2695
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,280
potential impacts to aasa from uncc's

2696
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:02,199
proposed changes to the Coen Fuel and

2697
02:00:02,199 --> 02:00:04,360
get back to the board at at some some

2698
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:07,760
future date uh we'll provide uh some

2699
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:10,199
followup to the comments that were made

2700
02:00:10,199 --> 02:00:11,040
on the

2701
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:14,639
de report uh I had protective service

2702
02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:16,480
worker definition we'll get you that

2703
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:20,719
Michael um historical retention numbers

2704
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:23,719
um and then we'll look at the uh kind of

2705
02:00:23,719 --> 02:00:26,880
the comps for gender diversity in the

2706
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:29,360
our you know our known entities that we

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can reach out to and find out about that

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and then the last thing I had was I'll

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update my work plan to reflect the

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suggestions from

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Bruce um I think that just about wraps

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everything up so

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uh Bob the meeting a journ thank you

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all

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right wanted to

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check so the Republican

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National is really bad

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I