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All right. Make a motion to open the
Owensville Town Council

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budget hearing for
the 2020 2022 27 budget on September

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1st, 2026 at 6 p.m.
>> Second.

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» All in favor? All right. Bye.

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Okay.
>> I thought you were getting ready to ask

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a question.
>> No, I was waiting for you to say

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something.
>> Oh, no, no, we're just Okay.

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» So, I mean, this is basically here for
the public to

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» ask questions and you guys got any
questions or

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» if we have any questions on it?

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I did have questions. I got to get there
though.

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» Yeah, I have to find it.
>> I know what your questions are. I got

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your email late today.
>> Reading my mind.

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Okay. So,
your first I will go over this. We're in

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a new program in gateway this year.
>> We used to be in budget 1.0 and now it's

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budget 2.0. So, our forms are a little
different than what we're normally used

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to. Okay. So, this here, this budget
form one. Okay.

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If you look
in the advertise column,

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these are the numbers that I come up
with. And how I come up with them is I

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usually go back three or four years to
that. It prints out a report and I look

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and see how much was spent out of there
out of that line item and then I

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it's kind of a guessing game. Does it
give you an average or

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» no?
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» So advertise. Now it did well and I
don't know why like I said it's a new

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program. It did throw it ahead over to
the adopted but that is not adopted yet

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them numbers. Okay. So it goes so all of
all these columns down through here on

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advertise that is numbers that I come up
with and these are all the

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appropriations
line items that we can spend out of.

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Okay.
>> That's what that is.

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I say it might be underneath there.

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» Specifically,
>> maybe not. I figure out what they

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» No, this is stuff for the next meeting.
>> No, next meeting.

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» The these were not in your packets for
your meeting. I I I dropped this set off

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like a few days before.
>> That's right. They're different from

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that.
I gave you [clears throat] I had

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delivered yours.

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[snorts]
>> Okay. So then your budget form two

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» this is
nonpropy tax revenues

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» that

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July 1st December 31st 2026
this is how much we should approximately

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get for these. Okay. And then you have
to January 1st to December 31st, 2027,

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you have to estimate how much you're
going to get for the whole year on each

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one of these revenue line items.
>> So that's more or less the business

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side.
>> Yeah.

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» What we intake and Yes.
>> what we're expecting.

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» Yes. Now some of them it is like um

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like each we have like our bank accounts
we have general water sewer and park and

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wreck. Okay.
>> We get once a month the bank will send

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me or I get online and look at it and it
will tell me how much interest I earned

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on each one of them accounts. So that's
what that is. So that I don't get that

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number. Some of these numbers
I have to figure out myself, but most of

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these came comes in from the state.
Okay, so that's what that is.

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And then this here, this is a new this
is a new one this year for me too. Um,

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this is the cash flow statement
and this is what when I had my budget

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meeting with Robert,
he plugs the numbers in for this. So,

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the computer autom the it automatically
figures everything up.

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» Is that a monthly cash flow or just for
the whole year?

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» Okay. So like um here on this page, this
is the 2027 projected cash flow. This

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one, this chart, this one here is for
all year. Um

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and then it has like 20 2025 historical
cash flow and it told how much reserves

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in the general NBH par CCD how much
money we had to use.

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So like I said that part there is a new
form and I we will all have get used to

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that one. That's all I can tell about
you on that one.

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And then this last one is the current
year financial worksheet.

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And uh so like it goes through these are
all the

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like the casino river boat. We get that
once a year

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and that's usually in the fall. Fall to
early winter is when we get it. Um,

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I had to enter what we got from January
to June of 2026,

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uh, the dispersements
and then put in the second column, June

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30th, the cash balance on it. And then
the last column is the 2026 budget.

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That's what we had budgeted for these
these um entries are ones that we get

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revenue from the state local road street
uh public safety local income tax as of

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right now. Um
like January

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through June 30th the cash balance on
the lit tax is 48,000.

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We get about
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12,000 and something a month on that. So
that that's a good one for us right now.

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And that's one where we can like water
hydrants,

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we can or fire hydrants, we can buy that
with that because that's for public.

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um
police stuff.

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We can do that.
So that's what that form is.

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» And you you now know how to ask for that
money if if we need to.

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» Yeah. because when we first got it,
nobody really kind of knew how it was

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going to go. But
>> well, we got it this this past year, I

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had to ask for some and so this neck and
they didn't buck me on it or anything

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because it is not one of their funds. I
I don't know how to say it. It's not one

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of their funds that they control.
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I mean, we automatically got it. As long
as it's for the right purpose. As long

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as it gets critical.
>> As long as it's for the right purpose.

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This is just something to bring up.
I don't want to be the one to do it, but

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I'm on to it.
the uh financial

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management report
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the sewer works
>> um both have some some of the same

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concerns. I don't know if you've read
through those on the summary page. Yes,

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» it talks about
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our cash flow
uh compared to our rates

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and different things. But under the uh
on the third section, estimated future

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health, it [snorts] says total estimated
fund balances balances are expected to

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remain above the required reserves
through 2028. It says however the gap

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between the estimated fund balances and
the required reserves will become

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tighter demonstrating a dwindling cash
reserve cash level as the costs continue

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to rise with no offsetting increases in
the receipts. So it's referring to our

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rate adjustment in the next section
which is talking about based on these

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things we may need to consider whether
our rates are adequate.

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Um, but I'm not saying we need to do
anything.

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» Yeah.
>> Just saying we probably ought to have a

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conversation about it because it's
talking about capital improvements.

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We've already talked about the
wastewater treatment plant um and what

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we need to do there and potentially in
the future because we're trying to leave

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room for development. And then um
I don't know if we have anything on the

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water
other than the wells. have I mean we

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know we need to upgrade the wells
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another location or something. So we're
going to have to come up with something

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there anyway.
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but anyway, I mean that's
just just at least bringing it out.

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[snorts] I don't we don't necessarily
have to discuss that tonight, but we

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probably ought to consider that soon
>> or over the next year or whatever.

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» So, cutting things in certain places,
what you're saying is what?

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» No, I mean, yeah.
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cut or whether we
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mean,
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off. Is that
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So, our bill went up.
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» didn't it? Like last year or something
like that? Thought there was some sort

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of water credit they were getting or
sewer credit. I don't remember. But

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» no,
>> maybe my kids just use more water.

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» We've not had [laughter]
we've not had a increase in

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» No, not not an increase in the rate.
There was something that we were that

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was offsetting some of that cost.
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» I don't think that was it, but I know
what you're talking about.

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» A credit for the customers
pass on.

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» But anyway,
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that's something to consider
in the next year.

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probably sooner than that, but I'm not
going to push it.

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» It's not necessarily that we need to
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it was brought up whenever we were
looking at the uh

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sewer treatment plant anyhow that a rate
increase would

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would be needed in order to

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get to the capacity that we um felt
comfortable with and still have room to

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grow.

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The problem that we currently have is we
have no more room to grow.

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Getting

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the pipes lined that helped a little
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Slow things down.
There's a little more time.

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[snorts]

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» [cough and clears throat]

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» This one.

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» Ready?

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Yes. All right.

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» All right. Good evening.
Um, I'll make a motion to open the

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Owensville Town Council meeting
[clears throat] on September the 1st,

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2026. at 6:30 p.m.
>> Second.

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» All those in favor.
>> You all would please stand and face the

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flag for the [clears throat] pledge
allegiance

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back
today.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
[snorts]

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» Thank you.

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» Um, a reminder, this meeting is being
recorded. Anyone who speaks is giving

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permission to be recorded and posted to
our YouTube channel and the town

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website. Virtual participation is not
monitored.

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So you can virtually watch the meeting
but if you need or want to speak it must

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be done so in person.
All right.

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[snorts]

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Are the claims
for the town?

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Anybody have any questions on those?
>> Everything good? I'll give it.

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» Okay. All right. Make a motion to
approve the claims from the town

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or for the town from August the 12th,
2026 through September the 1st, 2026 in

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the amount of $178,954.

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» Second.
>> All those in favor?

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» I.

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» All right.
meeting minutes from August the 11th,

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2026, the one for a town council
meeting.

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Any questions or concerns on that one?
>> No, I'm good.

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» All good. All right. Make a motion to
approve the Owensville Town Council

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meeting minutes from August 11th, 2026.
>> Second.

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» All in favor?

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um
the park and recreation board meeting

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minutes from Tuesday, July the 28th,
2026. Was there any questions or

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concerns
on that one?

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» No.
>> Nope.

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» Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the
park and recreation board meeting

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minutes from Tuesday, July the 28th,
2026. Second.

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» All in favor?
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» I

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the claims
from the parking rack.

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Anybody have any questions or concerns
on that one?

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» No.
>> Okay. I will make a motion to approve

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the park and wreck claims from July 1st,
2026 through July 28th, 2026 in the

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amount of $6,700

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96.
>> Second.

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» All in favor? All
right.

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» Um,

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» water
adjustments. I don't see it.

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» Water adjustment for Jerry right at

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» [snorts]

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» Um
before we do that,

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» yeah,
>> we just approved July's

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which we approved
last month this in front of me

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» for the park record. If you look at the
minutes, we approved the I don't I think

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we just didn't change this.

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» This is this is the public
>> and this

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» on the uh meeting minutes from August it
says reviewed the June meeting.

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» So we need to we need to approve the
policy

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» 728.
[snorts]

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» 728 to August 25th.
>> Yes. Good catch.

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» I make a motion to approve the park and
Rex claims from July 28th

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to August 25th, 2026 in the amount of
$16,230.88.

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» Second.
>> All in favor? Hi.

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» Hi.

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» Okay.

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[snorts]

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All right. Um,

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so they they moved the meter.
So this is the one, Rick, was this the

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one where you guys were working on over

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over here on
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we moved it.

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» Okay.
>> I got to replace the line his line is

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still leaks, but it's not on him now.
So, I put it on his property. So, I'll

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probably get that done next week.

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» All right. Um, I will make a motion to
approve the award adjustment in the

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amount of $438.36,
bringing the new bill to $94.35.

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» Second.
>> All in favor? Uh,

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there were water deposits paid out this
last month um in the amount of $600.

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» [snorts]

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» Okay. Um,
so [snorts]

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repairs

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to the RH center from uh
an incident in July.

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Have you had have you had any contact or
is that all Roger

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with
>> the fireworks?

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» Okay.
Um

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well, we have a

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or [snorts]
>> estimate from Denny Brothers

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Construction of $2,600
to get that repaired.

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» [snorts]

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» and we'll get a
get a letter out to him.

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» Go ahead and get it going.
>> Yeah, you guys.

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» Yeah, I think I think I mean
>> we got to prepare it.

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» It's got to it's got to be fixed. And
>> are we having them pay for anything or

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» Well, so so he had he had agreed to pay
for it.

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Um because I mean it was it was his
fault. He was

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» I don't know how that works. That's up
to them as far as what it ends up

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costing.
>> Right.

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» His estimate.

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Make a motion to approve um repairs
[snorts] to the RH center through

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Denning Brothers Construction in the
amount of $2,600.

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» A second.
>> Those in favor?

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» I
>> I and then we'll get a copy to him and

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then
hopefully

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he'll make contact back and work out a
way to

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pay that back.

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get over you guys. So that's kind of
plan on getting paid back.

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[clears throat]

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» So last week we had an issue with
somebody tampering [snorts] with our

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meters.
Um, and from what I'm being told, it was

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um
more than just going out and turning one

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on that had been shut off
um for non-payment,

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» right?
>> Yes.

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The

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the pipes
>> Mhm.

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» in the apartment complex
had been switched

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They reversed the pipes
two different meters so they could get

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water after it was shut off.
And we did not know this

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until a renter
was coming in to go to one of the

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apartments and Rick and then knows more
about it than they can they can explain

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the gist of it. Yeah,
it was it was not good.

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» You guys just a general explanation of
>> we had we went over put locks on.

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» Mhm.
>> Put two locks on two meters. Came back

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the next day. The locks, one lock was
already off.

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When you turn the water on, it didn't go
to the apartment that it's supposed to.

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That's not on our end. that's passed
that meter

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been done.

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My thought on it is just
put one meter up front.

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I can get rid of all those meters. Put
one up front

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[clears throat]
>> the um

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[cough]

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» I believe
>> we can't really

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» statement. She said she's the owner
>> of the apartment.

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» So Teresa, do you have any idea what
happened? Why why a me why a certain

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meter wasn't hooked to the correct
apartment anymore?

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» My son did that and he was told not to.
It's been fixed and he never did it

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again. But having one meter just would
not work for me.

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I I've been off work for a while and uh
I could see if several people weren't

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paying the water bill, it would just get
shut off and the other ones that did pay

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it, well, they would just be
>> Mhm.

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» I mean, that I mean, that's kind of the
way that it was it was [clears throat]

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designed to work. I agree. Um but then
your son

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um bypassed that and took over somebody
else's meter for himself. Um,

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essentially. So,
[clears throat]

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» and I am Am I going to be moving?
>> Am I right? It's still not fixed.

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» I believe Karen told me that it's still
not fixed.

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» It's still I think still.
>> Yeah. The guys went out there and they

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said it's still

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over there to fix it.

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later today

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morning.

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That's the worst ever.
But we've had other issues there. I

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mean, we've had we've opened it up in
the winter time and someone tried to set

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up set a fire in it and melted one of
the lids off one of the meters.

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If they want to keep four, that's fine.
But we're going have to figure out a way

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for them not to be able to get in meters
anymore and just putting a lid on it.

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But whatever we got isn't working.
So it have to be something that's

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» Well, then so where' they switch the
lines at?

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» In the basement.
>> So that and we can't do nothing about

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that.
>> Absolutely not.

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But Karen is not getting an accurate
reading through the system

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because the water that was used when she
didn't know that these pipes were

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switched.
[clears throat]

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There's no way to determine
because one of them was ended up and had

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after they switched one of them back,
two of them was on and she said there's

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no way I can determine how
[clears throat] much water somebody's

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using,

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» but the water usage is showing up on the
one they're pulling from.

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» Yeah.
>> So, they're having inflated bill.

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» Sounds like a civil problem.
>> Sounds like a criminal problem.

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» It's a crime.
>> That is theft. That's crime.

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» Absolutely.

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» I mean, the apartments on the corner of
the third and war I think it's tower

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properties. They got one meter for how
many apartments?

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» Oh, yeah.
>> Williams Apartments has one meter for

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how many apartments?
>> I mean, I'm I'm just

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» Well, that's going to be determined by
how they do their agreements with their

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tenants.
>> Yeah, that's not that's

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» Yeah, you
>> I mean, but I'm imagining at some point,

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and maybe not. Maybe there wasn't
anything in place, but if someone wanted

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to put in an apartment and have four
meters, they're going to have four

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hookup charges. Is that not correct? It
would be just one.

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» So there So they're paying for that
service to have it. Now, if they're

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fusing it, that's a different story. I
mean, there's a

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» Well, the fire that was in the meter, I
guess they had frozen pipes, so I think

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they went out there to set a fire
underneath the meter. And I think it

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really destroyed the meter too because
I'm pretty sure it started reading

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erratically because the gears inside the
meter.

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» How recent was that?
>> Uh threeish

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years ago.

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» Did we do anything?
>> We have an ordinance that's been Clyde

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signed that we can charge the cost of
the repair.

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We need to we need to we need to make
sure we follow up on these things.

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Right now we have that stuff in place,
>> right?

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It's like get into it with the main
street thing.

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» [clears throat]

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» Sander, do you see anything that with
this highlighted that we need to

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increase?
>> Well, the only

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» start doing fines.
>> We should put fines in there. Um, we

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have the one from Fort Branch that I
drafted for them. It's a uh should be

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fine not less than $100 or more than
2500. The state statutes allow to find

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up to 2500 for each separate offense.
Um, and a separate offense shall be

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committed for each day of the violation.
>> In addition to the

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» in addition to that. Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» We can either amend this one to
reference a new ordinance or we can

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shove all of this into an amended
ordinance [snorts] on section I. However

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you guys want to do it. It won't be
difficult to do.

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» [clears throat]

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» You need all this language.
>> It just um it just

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» the beginning.
>> It defines everything.

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» Says,
>> "Yeah, Sandra wrote this before branch."

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» It just defines everything. So they
can't say, "Well, I it was just the jump

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or it wasn't this or it was
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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Well, I would suggest we do a separate
one that this references to separate one

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is what I would say. [clears throat]
Then we're only changing

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based on what we can
do.

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What if we had
[clears throat]

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to give it
permission to go in and inspect?

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» Well, we were talking about that on
hookup.

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» I mean I mean for this very specific
incident right now so that we're not

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saying that we're going to the single
meter today normal. I mean

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» I mean she's here
and talked to her about it. I mean, if

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you if they allow us to go in there, I
would say that's fine to make sure

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they're happy with it. [snorts]
I don't know what he's I don't know

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where they have to go. Do you have to go
in the basement to look at this?

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» We stood outside.
>> So, you were working with the half the

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problem. the extra

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» watch.

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I mean, I don't want to be
heartless here, but

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I mean, unfortunately, it's this lady's
problem, not necessarily ours,

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» right?
But I mean, I think we're willing to

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help her figure this out. Don't think
that's a problem because we don't want

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them turning it on and off.
>> That's the whole point of this meter

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tampering.
>> So, when there's a lock on it, you got

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to really wait to get off.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. I really don't want to feel like
coming in fixing the water when it's

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out.
anytime. Does that matter?

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I mean, I can call
>> sales guys and see if they have a

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different style pit.
>> I can put a different pit on it,

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» more secure one.
>> So, are the I'm just curious if you're

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willing, is are the basements connected?
>> It's one basement. It's it's it's it's a

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house. It's basically four living
spaces. Correct.

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» Oh.
That makes sense now.

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» Yeah.
>> I mean, you know where you know where

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it's at, right?
>> I think I do now.

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» Yes.
>> You used I don't know if it's still

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called this, but used to it was referred
to as the Fifth Mansion.

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» Yeah.
>> It's the way I've always been

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told. I mean,
>> this was [snorts]

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» I mean, I don't I don't see a need to go
beyond helping her figure out whether

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she's being
stolen from,

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but as far as going in there and
figuring it out, I don't think we need

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to do that. That's that's her decision
as to whether to continue dealing with

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that crap.
And and I would imagine that you would

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want to fix it as best you can, but
for your tenants sake, but

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I think we should I think we should look
into that.

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» You want to buy it?
>> No, I'm good.

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[clears throat]

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» Isaac, do you have any thoughts on it?
>> Well, [clears throat]

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I mean, if we went to a single meter at
the only way you could do is just divide

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up the total bills. So that's not very
convenient, but

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» water.

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» Yeah, that's true.
>> So you shut the whole apartment off.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» I mean, that's like you said, that's the
downside. Everybody's going to be

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punished for one person's
[clears throat]

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» problem. But that at that point,
>> I mean, I I would think you would if you

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had if you had one meter going to the
apartment, you would either

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have your own meters that metered each
individual

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each individual's
>> space or you would just take

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in your case being
being the the rent you would probably

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take the highest bill that you've ever
received

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and just made that your normal
and then divide that and put it up on

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all four of your places and everybody
just pays that much. Does that make

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sense? I don't know.
>> I don't know if I'm making

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» these are just suggestions. We're not
giving you financial advice.

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» Correct. We're [laughter] just
>> But ourselves,

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» I I think I think

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I think we can work together on it. Um,

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if she was asking to put in, if she
already had one and she was asking to

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put in three more and we were having
these kind of issues, I would say

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absolutely no, we're not doing it. If
she's already got the four,

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um, the problem is is she's having
issues where it's getting switched on

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her end.
Um and then that turns into a criminal

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issue.
>> Yeah.

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» You can't even mess with it's a crime to
mess with any public utility also. So

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you can't mess with any public
utilities. It's a crime. So,

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at that point, whenever
uh Carrie gets an alert that there's an

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issue with the water,
let's send the guys out there and if

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it's been tampered with,

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Roger or Stephen get called in to handle
it on the criminal side of it. So,

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00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,000
Do what?
>> Well, I guess you had to, but whatever.

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00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:20,480
» So, this raises a different question, I
think. What do we do when somebody has

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tampered with it? What's our pro what's
our procedure?

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Says somebody say somebody decides to
light a fire in a meter.

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What do we do at that point? We shut it
off

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or it's already shut off. What do we do
with the deposit? What do we do? They

445
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:43,440
have to pay another deposit. Does the
deposit cover that repair? What are we

446
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,680
doing?
>> Nothing was done, but I

447
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,240
» Well, what happens?
What should we do?

448
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:59,640
» Oh, I think we need to pay for it.
>> I thought the fine

449
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:06,400
» the fine and the ordinances would or the
the fine on the ordinance would cover

450
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,400
it.

451
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,599
Or just hit him twice so they don't do
it again.

452
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:49,319
I mean because article three in this in
the ordinance from Fort Branch um

453
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:56,000
that just that's like a coverall, right?
So any any kind of tampering

454
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,880
» any kind of tampering
>> any kind of anything that goes against

455
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:04,400
the definitions above
>> Yes.

456
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,480
» could be fined not less than $100
>> Yes.

457
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,119
» or more than $2,500.
>> Yes. And Fort Branch decided to make

458
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:15,760
turning the water off a $100 fine and
removing a lock $2,400. So those are two

459
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,960
separate in addition to everything else
in article three. Yes.

460
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:29,520
» So if somebody
lit a fire

461
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:35,839
and it cost $1,300 to fix.
We could say the fine is $1,300 or

462
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:39,520
$1,400. Make sure it gets covered.
>> Right.

463
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,640
» Okay.
>> But we got to take action when it

464
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:45,119
happens,
>> right?

465
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,280
» I guess something like that.
>> They have to be reported.

466
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,240
» Oh, they usually are. I mean we we'll
tell we go to the office and say

467
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:54,880
something you know but it's kind of
common knowledge and it's

468
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,359
» well then we'll just make sure that
>> or you know for you this for a fact I've

469
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:03,839
been saying stuff for a long time about
people you know

470
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,720
meters so
>> right but usually when you call me it's

471
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,839
because somebody
>> some sort of

472
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,599
» shut their water off so that they could
fix a pipe and then turn it back on

473
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:18,599
themselves.
Usually that's what I've heard.

474
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Maybe water was running down the street.
I turned on road.

475
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,920
» Across from your house.
You got water leak over here.

476
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:41,119
» Well, that's also because he broke the
water line to his washing machine and

477
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:48,059
water was spewing out into his hardwood
floor. with me anecdote a little bit

478
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,059
anyway. Okay. [snorts]

479
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:52,640
» Can you draft something?
>> I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I can absolutely

480
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:56,799
do that.
>> Both the amendment

481
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:58,960
» to the original one and the new one.
>> Yep.

482
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:02,480
» I'll have it at the next meeting.
>> Thank you.

483
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,480
» Welcome.
>> Okay.

484
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:16,200
Rick, do you have anything else?
>> Or do you, sir?

485
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,200
» No, no, I'm good.

486
00:57:25,339 --> 00:57:27,359
[clears throat and cough]

487
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,079
» Billy,
>> what

488
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,400
» you have? Anything else?
>> Technically, I was on vacation. No.

489
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:39,440
» Okay. Well, we appreciate you coming in
on your night off.

490
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:43,920
Stephen, you have anything from the
police department?

491
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:48,000
» They've got the working on it. Putting
all pieces together.

492
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,319
» This is the new one.
>> The new one. Yes.

493
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:54,799
» Okay.
>> Hopefully here

494
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,319
it
>> did have some issues with the uh the

495
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:02,720
current Durango.
>> It's fixed now. Since they put the new

496
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:06,160
injectors in it, it's gained 5 miles per
gallon.

497
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,400
» Nice.
>> Guess they did have a recall.

498
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,599
» Huh?
>> They did have they had some kind of

499
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:14,799
recall on them or or
>> No, it's a known issue.

500
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:19,520
» It's a known It was That's what it was.
The issue was

501
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:23,960
bad enough that the parts were on back
order because everybody's ordered it.

502
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,000
» All right.

503
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:43,200
Okay, we got the uh
um tall grass and weeds and junks

504
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:51,760
list. Um, so if your
grass is tall or your weeds are tall or

505
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:55,119
you have junk in your yard,
um,

506
00:58:53,599 --> 00:59:01,520
you could probably expect a letter
within the next few days.

507
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:04,319
» Today,
>> communicate with us.

508
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,440
» Yeah.
>> If you if you get a letter,

509
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,920
» just talk to us. Tell us what your plan
is.

510
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:16,720
» Yes.
We do have an ordinance that has fines.

511
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:21,280
We would rather not use them. So, come
talk to us

512
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,280
because communication, communication,
communication.

513
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:28,359
Okay.

514
00:59:28,481 --> 00:59:31,880
» [clears throat]
>> Um,

515
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:41,480
I think that's for another day.

516
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:47,920
» Right.
>> Yeah.

517
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:54,640
All right. [clears throat]
Okay. So, we're going to navigate this

518
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:58,640
carefully. Patridden concerns. I'm going
to ask everybody in the room if they

519
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:02,720
have something to say.
Not about fluoride. We're not there yet.

520
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,400
We're going to get there. You're going
to get an opportunity, but for the

521
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:10,000
moment,
I just would like to [clears throat]

522
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:16,480
know if anybody has anything else to
contribute to the meeting. Okay.

523
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,040
Teresa Robin.
>> Yes, sir. Thanks.

524
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,520
» I'm not going to remember your name. I
met you one time, Heather.

525
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,280
» Yes.
>> I just I did want to know if you could

526
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:32,880
recommend a contractor that maybe I
could have take a look so I can get some

527
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,880
maybe prices if you guys are still
interested in moving forward. I got some

528
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:42,319
ideas. I don't want to do a whole lot of
changing to the building itself just,

529
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:44,640
you know, some sprucing up. But if you
had somebody that you'd like to work

530
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,799
with.
>> So, um, after the meeting,

531
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,359
» yeah,
>> get with us and we'll give you some

532
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,559
names of some local guys that
>> Yeah. Yeah.

533
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,040
that have worked with us and
>> they're familiar with the town and

534
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:03,680
everybody. Yeah.
>> Yep. Very good. Anything else?

535
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:08,040
» Yeah, Cody.
>> Okay, Scott.

536
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:13,240
» Hang on a minute.

537
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,640
Josh, do you have anything at all?

538
01:01:19,832 --> 01:01:21,852
[clears throat]

539
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:31,520
Pedro.
Not fluoride. Not yet. Okay.

540
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,799
Stephen, Vanessa.
>> Yes.

541
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:39,280
» Yes.
>> I I want to know what you guys decision

542
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,880
are about apartments.
>> You never really

543
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,799
» Oh. So I So I think now we're right now
we're going we're going to let it be.

544
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:52,960
» Okay.
>> With the four meters.

545
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:58,720
» Okay. And if we continue to have issues,
then it becomes it will become a a

546
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:02,000
criminal matter. And if we continue to
continue to have issues, it will just go

547
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:06,160
with our plan.
>> Quick question on that. Yes.

548
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:10,319
» Do you want me to go ahead and call
these places to see if they have better

549
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:16,640
meter boxes that are more secure than
>> Yes.

550
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:21,599
» Yes. get us um have us some ideas by the
next meeting or just get us some ideas

551
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:25,680
on pricing because if they're going to
be

552
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:31,040
I mean if it's going to be so expensive
compared to normal if we're have to do

553
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:34,960
extra things to keep that [snorts]
property secure.

554
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:39,680
Um
you may get part of that bill. We'll

555
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,520
see.
>> I'm just saying it's a possibility.

556
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:47,000
We're being we're usually pretty
generous, but

557
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:56,960
it's just it's just a pain. I I don't I
don't understand

558
01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:03,440
why people can't just
leave things that don't belong to them

559
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:08,000
alone. I I just I I I mean, I want to be
compassionate and nice about it, but at

560
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:11,280
the end of the day, it's not yours.
Don't touch it.

561
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:16,640
» Right. So, and I understand that it
wasn't you and and and but

562
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,520
» but it's your property.
>> Ain't something I do,

563
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:27,640
» but it's your property. So, that does
make you responsible.

564
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,640
» Okay.

565
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,039
» Corey,
>> you have anything else? Is

566
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,200
» Sandra?
>> All right.

567
01:03:36,073 --> 01:03:43,359
[snorts]
Hey, Drew. You have the floor, sir.

568
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:47,319
» Did I skip you?
>> I'm sorry. What do you got?

569
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:54,280
» All right.
>> I'm going to make myself comfortable.

570
01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:01,440
» All right, everyone. Look, uh, a couple
of months ago, I was approached by

571
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:05,200
several people,
uh, who had a concern. We had a little

572
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:10,720
bit of a conversation regarding
fluoride, fluoride in the water, uh what

573
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:15,839
it's doing to our health. So, I guess I
was kind of chosen to uh come up with

574
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:20,559
some research for you guys and present
uh the research. First of all, I want to

575
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:26,559
let you know that I'm not a doctor. I'm
not a nurse. I'm not an expert in the

576
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:32,720
matter either, and I'm not a lawyer. So,
what I'm going to present to you guys is

577
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:37,359
just about 15 hours
of going down the rabbit hole, if you

578
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:43,520
will, for finding information. And I
basically went and looked at both sides,

579
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,880
you know, try to outweigh the pros and
the cons and see what I could find.

580
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:52,480
Unfortunately,
I found more bad things than I found

581
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:56,079
good things. So, I'm going to try to
convert a 45 minute um

582
01:04:55,329 --> 01:05:02,319
[clears throat and cough]
PowerPoint presentation into a much much

583
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:07,520
quicker condensed form here so that I so
that you know I don't keep you here all

584
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:14,000
night. Okay. But I did bring a lot of or
some percentage of of the studies that I

585
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:17,640
found just to back back it up. Okay. So
with that [clears throat] in mind,

586
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:25,839
I'll be passing some things along and if
anybody has any questions, I'll just ask

587
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:31,599
that you ask it at the end, okay? And I
will try to answer the best that I can.

588
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:35,760
So my topic is uh uh rethinking fluoride
in our town's drinking water.

589
01:05:35,285 --> 01:05:40,640
» [clears throat]
>> Uh we recent uh why recent federal

590
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:47,119
science a federal court ruling and a
wave of state action have put community

591
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:53,920
water flidation up for reconsideration
and what our and what our council should

592
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:59,039
do in my opinion. Okay.
So for the last 60 years, we've been

593
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:04,880
assured that the addition of fluoride to
our public water supplies is a safe and

594
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:09,200
effective means of reducing dental
decay. Sure, we've all heard that,

595
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:14,720
right? But is it really safe and
effective

596
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:19,920
is the big question. In 2026,
does the populationwide benefit of

597
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:25,760
adding fluoride to drinking water
outweigh the potential risks associated

598
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:32,079
with uh total fluoride exposure,
particularly for developing children and

599
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:35,920
other potential uh susceptible
populations

600
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:43,280
or does the fluoride close health risks
not only for us but for our pets?

601
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:46,960
Okay. So [sighs]
to begin, let's consider the following

602
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:53,440
questions along with their often
surprising answers. What is the actual

603
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:56,960
fluoride chemical added to our water? Uh
fluoride added to our municipal water.

604
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:01,440
And you guys going to have to excuse me.
These there there's words in here that

605
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:08,079
you need a degree just to read them. Uh
so fluoride added to municipal water you

606
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:15,680
have hydro floral cyolysic acid you have
uh sodium fluoro cy silicate and Billy

607
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:21,039
if I'm wrong just correct me uh sodium
fluoride which is something that we use

608
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:27,920
here in the town in the case of
something like hydrofllor floryic

609
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:33,359
acid is the chemical put in the vast
majority of US water supplies. Guys, it

610
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:38,400
is not pharmaceutical grade. None of
these are they're not none of them are

611
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:43,680
pharmaceutical grade. It is removed from
the pollution scrubbers of phosphate

612
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:48,160
fertilizer plants and contains
contaminants of lead, arsenic, and

613
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:53,599
radium.
This toxic industrial waste, which would

614
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:59,359
be costly for the fertilizer industry to
dispose of properly, is sold to water

615
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,359
districts and is more toxic than lead.
According

616
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:10,880
to the so natural fluoride according to
the CDC center for disease control

617
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:16,960
natural fluoride enters water primarily
through geological processes. Minerals

618
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:23,199
dissolve and release fluoride.
Natural fluoride and added fluoride

619
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:29,679
ultimately provide flu fluoride ion in
the water. Your body does not have a

620
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:34,960
specific or special mechanism that can
tell whether a fluoride ion came from a

621
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:41,679
natural mineral or from a fluoridation
chemical. However, the original chemical

622
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:47,199
compound added to municipal water may
not be the same chemical compound in

623
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:51,120
which naturally occurring fluorides
exist.

624
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:56,400
So for example, fluoride naturally
occurs in groundwater and surface water

625
01:08:53,359 --> 01:09:00,719
as minerals uh dissolve
and and by the way we do need fluoride

626
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:06,080
natural fluoride at very minimum
amounts. Okay, so that's that's a fact.

627
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:11,679
One common natural source is calcium
fluoride.

628
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:16,319
The chemical compound uh code for that
is CF2.

629
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:21,839
Keep that in mind. Although fluoride can
occur in association with other minerals

630
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:27,920
and dissolved species,
fluoride added to the municipal water

631
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:35,679
hydrofluoroisic
acid the the compound

632
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:43,120
uh for that is H2S6
which if you look is a is a is is a

633
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:49,560
synthetic carc carcinogenous uh uh
chemical. Sodium fluorocyicate is Na2S6

634
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:59,120
and sodium fluoride is NAF.
[clears throat] These are all um BPA

635
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:03,199
tops identifying these as fluoride
fluoridation chemicals. So they're not

636
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:08,560
they're chemicals. They're not natural
products. These are manufactured

637
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:13,280
processed chemical compounds not the
same minerals from which natural

638
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:18,640
occurring fluoride enters groundwater.
Okay. So,

639
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:24,320
uh, here is public health statement from
the CDC and the ATSDR public health

640
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:29,000
statement about fluoride. So, here's one
that I will submit to you guys. Okay.

641
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:41,360
Are there any health risks from
fluorides for people and pets? While the

642
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,800
public has been assured of its safety,
in actuality, the Environmental

643
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:52,880
Protection Agency, EPA,
has has acknowledged that no chronic

644
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:57,840
health studies have been done on this
fluoride chemical. Does that remind you

645
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:01,920
of something? So, here you are. Eat
this, take this, but we haven't really

646
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:07,679
done the necessary tests to make sure
that this stuff is good for you. Did we

647
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:10,920
kind of go through that in 2020? I think
it was.

648
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:20,080
» In March of 2006, the National Research
Council NRC completed a three-year

649
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:25,199
review of the peer-reviewed research on
fluoride.

650
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:30,560
Numerous adverse health risks were cited
such as disruption of the nervous and

651
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:36,960
endocrine systems including the brain
and thyroid, bone fractures and joint

652
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:45,040
pain. A recently published heard stud
Harvard study concluded that there was a

653
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:50,000
sevenfold risk in osteocaroma
or bone cancer

654
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:54,960
among young boys after exposure to
fluoridated water.

655
01:11:52,640 --> 01:12:01,360
This study may have implications for
dogs since many of us here love our

656
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:07,600
dogs, our pets since osteocaroma or bone
cancer is the most common bone tumor

657
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:15,679
diagnosed in dogs in the US.
Now remember when you think about this

658
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:20,719
that a lot of the tests done
uh beauty products, you name it,

659
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:29,239
whatever. When you go to a lab and they
do tests, what do they use? Dogs and

660
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,239
mice, right? So keep that in mind.

661
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:39,120
So I printed out a couple of the posters
and stuff that I came across online.

662
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:43,440
I'll pass these around for you guys to
take a look.

663
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:47,199
The four numbers, let's let's set a
baseline real quick. The four numbers

664
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:53,360
that frame this debate. Fluoride is
measured in milligrams per liter.

665
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:58,960
Mg/ milligrams per liter. Keeping these
thresholds straight is key to the whole

666
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:04,320
discussion here. So right now
level 0.7 [clears throat]

667
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:09,840
mg per liter is a level added to US
water systems current federal

668
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:16,880
recommendation and it's what Owensville
is doing. 1.5 milligrams per liter is

669
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:22,080
the WHO safe limit
uh level where federal science most

670
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:28,480
clearly links harm.
2.0 0 milligrams is the EPA a secondary

671
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:35,360
standard for cosmetic and dental flu
races for example 4.0 Now getting into

672
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:42,560
the red levels is EPA maximum legal
limit before enforcement action.

673
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:49,679
The margin is thin. EPA's own practice
is to build is to build in a 10 times

674
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:55,760
safety buffer applied here as safe on
under in quotations level would be plus

675
01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:00,320
or minus 0.15
mg per liter. We add nearly five times

676
01:13:58,986 --> 01:14:06,400
[clears throat] that amount to every
tab. State of Indiana already lowered it

677
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:10,880
to 0.7 milligrams,
which is what we have now, right? I can

678
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:17,120
pass it around just so you guys have a
an idea of the numbers.

679
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,920
Just important as I pull up this, let me
pass this around too. The concentration

680
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:26,480
[clears throat]
may be fixed at 0.7 milligrams, but an

681
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:30,800
individual's fluoride dose increases as
they consume more water. And this is

682
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:35,760
always the big question. If the fluoride
concentration in water stays the same,

683
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:40,800
drinking more of that water means you
ingest more fluoride. Facts.

684
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:45,760
It's it's essentially a dose
calculation. fluoride intake from water

685
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:51,760
milligrams per day equals fluoride
concentration milligs per liter times

686
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:57,040
water consumed per day.
Okay. At the commonly recommended

687
01:14:53,679 --> 01:15:00,880
commonly recommended 0.7 mg
concentration

688
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:05,840
one liter which is four cups of water
for those who don't know how much a

689
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:12,320
liter is. Four cups of one liter equals
four cups of water. So if you drink four

690
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,960
cups of water, you're getting 0.7
milligrams per day.

691
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:20,719
Okay.
How many cups of water is it recommended

692
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:25,679
that we drink per day?
>> Eight.

693
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:30,320
» Eight. So 2 lers per day is 1.4
milligrams per day. That's eight cups.

694
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:35,360
So eight cups of water per day. If you
only drink eight cups of water per day

695
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:42,719
and you don't eat anything else or drink
anything else, you now have 1.4

696
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:46,199
milligrams of water of uh of uh fluoride
in your body.

697
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:55,520
3 liters
2.1, four liters 2.8 and so on. The

698
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,960
Nationalmies has published intake
estimates showing exactly this

699
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:08,480
relationship.
At 0.7 milligrams per liter, an adult

700
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:14,880
consuming 1,000 ml gets about 0.7
0.70

701
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:20,880
0.70 milligrams of fluoride, while 2,600
mls gives about 1.82

702
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:26,400
milligrams.
Keep in mind that 0.77

703
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:32,080
milligrams per liter, this is important
to remember, is a concentration. It is

704
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:42,159
not a daily dose.
So for example, 0.7 mg per liter * 1

705
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:50,560
liter equals 0.7 mg of fluoride.
0.7 mg per liter time 2 L

706
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:54,880
is 1.5 millig of fluoride. So I don't
want to bore you with the uh you know

707
01:16:53,199 --> 01:17:01,520
all of that detail but just I just want
to go so you guys can understand this

708
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:07,440
whole thing. So it's important to note
the dose per kilogram of body of body

709
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:11,199
weight becomes particularly important
when comparing adults with infants and

710
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:17,360
children.
So we're basically dozing our children,

711
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:21,600
our babes the same that we're dozing
adults.

712
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Does that make sense to you?
Uh, [clears throat] okay. So, for

713
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:33,440
example, someone drinks drinking three
liters of 0.7 milligrams

714
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:41,280
water every day would ingest about 2.1
milligrams of fluoride per day.

715
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:49,280
14.7 mg per week, 63 milligrams per 30
days, and about 767 milligrams per year

716
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:55,520
just for water alone. This is fluoride
ingested, not necessarily fluoride absor

717
01:17:52,719 --> 01:18:00,800
absorbed or retained by the body. Those
are two different concepts which I'll

718
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:05,840
touch on in just a moment. So basically
when you drink water or any product or

719
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:10,800
any food that has fluoride,
your body doesn't get rid of it through

720
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:17,320
urine, for example, doesn't get rid of
all of it. It accumulates in your body.

721
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,320
Another one to keep in mind.

722
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:25,360
The National Academyy's 2006 review
estimated that an average consumer

723
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:31,440
drinking about one liter per day of
community water at 0.7

724
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,440
milligrams per liter would receive a
0.70.70

725
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:43,920
milligrams per day. While a higher
consumer drinking about 2.1 lers per day

726
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:49,719
would receive approximately 1.5
milligrams per day from community water

727
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:49,719
alone.

728
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:57,440
Again, it's important to remember the
National Research Council Council

729
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:02,800
specifically emphasis that fluoride
exposure should be considered on a body

730
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:09,920
weight basis because infants and young
children can have substantially greater

731
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:16,080
exposure per kilogram than adults.
Um so [clears throat] then I I have you

732
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:23,199
know in here you know if you drink
moderate water you're getting about 730

733
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:28,640
to 1,95 milligrams of chloride. In 50
years you're getting 36.5 to 54.75

734
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:35,040
gram.
Uh these figures represent estimated

735
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:38,960
cumul cumulative intake not the amount
retained in the body. Again that's

736
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:44,320
important to remember.
actual exposure varies based on drinking

737
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:50,880
water, diet, beverages, dental products,
and individual consumption patterns.

738
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:55,520
So then I went down the sorry I just
love the term lately the rabbit hole

739
01:19:52,960 --> 01:20:00,159
because that's how I feel it. I went
down the the foods and I looked at all

740
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:06,040
of the foods and I found an interesting
one. Did you guys know that most soda

741
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,040
beverages contain fluoride?

742
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:15,920
A study of 332 carbonated soft drinks
found fluoride concentrations ranging

743
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:21,199
from 0.02 to 1.28
milligrams per liter with an average of

744
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:26,239
0.72 milligrams per liter. The
researchers noted that the variations

745
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:31,360
was likely related largely to the water
sources used in production. And by the

746
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:35,040
way, if the water gets boiled and
they're boiling water to make some of

747
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:40,400
these things, which they do, I found out
there's deposits of fluoride and other

748
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:44,159
things that end up in the in the drinks.
Um,

749
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:50,239
so
then they've done more studies recently

750
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:55,199
and now a more recent study of 200 soft
drinks found an average of 1.38

751
01:20:52,480 --> 01:21:00,000
milligrams in carbonated soft drinks,
although concentrations vary

752
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:07,199
considerably. So, a 12 oz can of
Mountain Dew

753
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:14,719
has 0.26 milligrams of fluoride.
A 16 oz bottle for 173 ml has 0.34

754
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:19,199
milligrams. Why am I bringing these up?
Because again, it's not just the water.

755
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:24,719
We have to eliminate what we can. But,
but there's other things that we are

756
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:28,000
taking. So by reducing a little bit here
and there and what we can control

757
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:33,120
because unfortunately we can't control
everything right but if we can eliminate

758
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:39,320
on what and control what we can then
we're we're helping to reduce that. So I

759
01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:39,320
[snorts] thought that was interesting

760
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:48,400
and here are
you're going to be relieved to see all

761
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:52,960
these pages go aren't you?
These are studies [clears throat] on all

762
01:21:50,719 --> 01:22:00,800
of that. Okay, hold on a second. Make
sure that

763
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:04,480
Okay. So, here's more studies that I'll
make available to the town and I can

764
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:09,760
make available to any of you. If you
contact me, I'll send you PDX

765
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,719
couple more studies on some of the
things I just spoke about.

766
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:21,280
All right. [snorts]
Fluoride, potential health concerns.

767
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:25,520
thyroid. Various studies have reported
an association between higher fluoride

768
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:29,520
exposure and changes in thyroid
function. Now, if you know a little bit

769
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:33,520
about what the thyroid does in your
system,

770
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:40,400
you you'd be worried, right? Brain and
development. Fluoride fluoride has been

771
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:46,080
classified as a developmental neurotoxin
causing problems in cognitive

772
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:49,400
development in in and IQ in children and
also ADHD.

773
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:56,239
pregnancy. Some studies suggest that
fluoride exposure during pregnancy may

774
01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:02,320
cross the placenta
and potentially affect fetal

775
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:07,199
neurological development. IQ reviews of
studies conducted in areas with

776
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:14,800
relatively high fluoride exposure have
reported lower average IQ scores among

777
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:19,600
exposed children. bones. Excessive
fluoride exposure can contribute to

778
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:24,800
skeletal plurosis, which can cause bone
and joint problems.

779
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:29,120
Of course, higher risk groups are more
susceptible to these things, such as

780
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:33,199
people with certain conditions,
including poor kidney functions, may be

781
01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:38,880
more susceptible to fluoride
accumulation and toxicity.

782
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:43,199
The key issue is the level of exposure
and the balance between potential

783
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:48,480
benefits and risks. Three studies show
that boys who drink fluoridated tap

784
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:55,040
water between the ages of six and eight
face a heightened risk of osteocaroma

785
01:23:52,719 --> 01:24:03,600
the rare but deadly form of bone cancer
associated with fluoride. This was in

786
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:09,120
the base in 2006 cooho 1992 DHHS 1981. I
have some of those here that I will

787
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:13,520
provide for you. If you have an infant,
do not use fluoridated water to make

788
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:19,199
formula since these would give the baby
a very high dose of fluoride. Infant

789
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:28,920
formula reconstituted with fluoridated
water gives the baby 250 times more

790
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:28,920
fluoride than naturally in breast milk.

791
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:38,560
The 1993 National Research Council NRC
says tens of millions of children have

792
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:44,000
visible signs of overexposed
of overexposure to fluoride dental

793
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:49,520
fluosis. The fluoridation program has
not notably fallen short of achieving

794
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:54,800
one of its primary objectives, reducing
dental decay rates while minimizing the

795
01:24:52,080 --> 01:25:02,600
side effect of overexposure to fluoride
from ingestion during early childhood

796
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:02,600
development called dental fluorosis.

797
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:11,120
Also, the Journal of American Medical
Association pediatrics

798
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:17,600
stated
in 2025, that's last year guys, a

799
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:23,920
metaanalysis of 74 studies across 12
countries publish published in one of

800
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:30,639
the most respected pediatric journals
found a dose response relationship. As

801
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:36,800
fluoride goes up, children's IQ goes
down.

802
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:41,320
1.63 IQ points. Estimated drop per
additional 1 milligram of fluoride.

803
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:54,080
So what are some recent developments
developments around this?

804
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:58,080
Dr. Limeback, one of the scientists on
the prestigious panel of the national

805
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:04,159
research cons council that reviewed
fluoride toxicity has said that their

806
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:09,440
report is highly relevant to the policy
of fluidation. Dr. Limebeck has stated

807
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:14,560
that and I quote the evidence that
fluidation is more harmful than

808
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:23,040
beneficial is now overwhelming.
On August 19, 20 uh 2005, the EPA unions

809
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:28,960
representing over 7,000 professional
employees called for a nationwide

810
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:34,639
moratorum on fluidation and also a
congre congre congressional

811
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:39,280
investigation of this policy. In June
2005, scientists at the Environmental

812
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:46,000
Working Group asked the National
Institutes of Health to list fluoride in

813
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:48,800
tap water as a carcinogen.
[snorts]

814
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:53,520
So,
manipulating science, which came first,

815
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:58,719
sugar or tobacco?
1940s to 1950s, the sugar industry

816
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:02,760
manipulates American Dental Association
positions on fluoride.

817
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:13,120
The fluoride deception published by
Christopher Bryson in 2004 exposed the

818
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:16,239
sorted history of foreignation. 400 page
book. I read the whole thing. If you

819
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:21,520
have questions, I know somebody had
questions. Bryson discusses how industry

820
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:27,760
and the military work behind the scenes
to bury or alter studies indicating

821
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:33,520
fluoride toxic effects. Bryson discusses
research commissioned by the fluoride

822
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:38,639
lawyers committee whose members included
major industrial companies such as

823
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:43,840
Alcoa, US Steel, Kaiser Aluminum, and
Reynolds Metals. The Karing Laboratory

824
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:48,560
at the University of Cincinnati
conducted animal research into fluoride

825
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:52,719
toxicity. I actually got to read that
study also, but I believe I have it

826
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:59,520
here. According to the publishers's
description, a roughly $500,000

827
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:04,719
study found evidence of fluoride related
damage to the lungs and lymph nodes of

828
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:09,920
laboratory animals, but the study was
never published and was effectively

829
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:15,440
buried. Bryson says he located a copy
decades later in archival material. That

830
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:20,800
copy is now available. His case is
primarily about suppressed unpublished

831
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:25,600
research, government secrecy, industry
funded research, and the almighty

832
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:29,679
conflicts of interest. Selective
interpretation scientists whose careers

833
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:34,480
were affected
when they challenged prevailing

834
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:40,639
conclusions, declassification documents
showing that forite toxicity had legal

835
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:45,040
industrial significance beyond beyond
dentistry.

836
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:50,320
Uh, a 2004 review in chemical and
engineering news characterized Bryson's

837
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:55,920
evidence as compelling evidence that
powerful interests with financial stakes

838
01:28:53,440 --> 01:29:01,920
had worked together to prematurely close
discussions on fluoride toxicity. The

839
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:07,840
almighty dollar always prevails, doesn't
it? In 2001, Dr. Herszy, senior vice

840
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:12,719
president at Porter's union, spoke to
the US EPA on behalf of the of his union

841
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:17,840
doctors.
He said, I quote, "In summary, we told

842
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:24,320
that fluoridation is an unreasonable
risk. That is, the toxicity of fluoride

843
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:30,000
is so great and the purported benefits
associated with it are so small, if

844
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:35,040
there are any at all, that requiring
every man, woman, and child in America

845
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:40,800
to ingest it borders on criminal
behavior on the part of governments."

846
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:45,360
And here's
one of the

847
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:50,639
uh the sugar industry's efforts to
manipulate research on fluoride

848
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:55,199
effectiveness and toxicity. A 90-year
history. I read this whole thing also

849
01:29:52,320 --> 01:30:01,679
for you guys. Results. I'll summarize
it. Records dating back to the 1930s.

850
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:08,480
Demonstrate the sugar industry sometimes
in cooperation with dental interests.

851
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:15,760
exaggerated fluoride's effectiveness and
downplayed safety concerns. The sugar

852
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:21,199
industry's science manipulation campaign
preceded the better known tobacco

853
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:25,920
industry campaign defending cigarettes.
Key leaders of the sugar industries

854
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:31,760
campaign transferred to the tobacco
industry which then adopted many of the

855
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:36,800
sugar industries tactics and financed
research from some of the same sugar

856
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:43,040
conflicted scientists. [cough] Currently
a prominent safety issue with fluoride

857
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:48,400
is developmental neurotoxicity.
Evidence indicates that researchers with

858
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:53,840
undisclosed conflicts of interest with
sugar and allied industries produced

859
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:58,239
biased
reviews downplaying the risk.

860
01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:03,600
Conclusion:
Recently available records reveal a long

861
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:08,719
history of the sugar industry distorting
fluoride science. Many of the sugar

862
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:14,320
industry tactics were later adopted by
the tobacco industry and mirrored by

863
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:20,080
industries involved in asbestos, lead
pesticides, climate change deni, climate

864
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:25,199
change denial and others. Researchers
and policy makers should be aware of the

865
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:32,293
distorted scientific record regarding
fluoride effectiveness and toxicity.

866
01:31:30,273 --> 01:31:32,293
[laughter]

867
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:44,960
I promise you I'm almost done here.
Fluoride. Uh, okay. So, questions about

868
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:50,080
Oh, but my teeth, you know, all this.
So, the international recently, very

869
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:57,679
recently, the international academy of
oral medicine and toxicology says

870
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:02,000
fluoride exposure in human health. In
their studies, they say increased

871
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:07,040
sources of fluoride exposure. Mind you,
this is this is the International

872
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:12,159
Academy of Oral Medicine and toxicology.
They're the guys who who do the studies

873
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:17,920
whether dentures are good for you or not
or if uh if fluoride or other things are

874
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:22,000
good for you or not. Okay. So, increased
sources of fluoride exposure are

875
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:26,239
accompanied by increased human health
risks.

876
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:31,360
Therefore, it has become a necessity to
reduce and work toward eliminating

877
01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:36,960
avoidable sources of fluoride exposure,
including water fluoridation, fluoride

878
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:42,080
containing dental materials and other
fluoridated products.

879
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:46,560
The potential health risks generated
from exposure to these sources of

880
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:52,159
fluoride are often overlooked.
Additionally, age, gender, genetic

881
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:56,080
factors, nutritional status, weight, and
other factors are known to influence

882
01:32:54,239 --> 01:33:02,400
each person's unique reaction to
fluoride.

883
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:05,920
Okay? And then on their this guys, this
was copied and pasted from their

884
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:09,840
website. It's not me putting stuff
together, okay? I want you to understand

885
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:16,400
this. This is on their website, on their
on their books, on their Okay. And then

886
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:21,440
they they go on to mention what they've
studies they've you know they've

887
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:25,920
conducted these are independent studies
acne and other dermatological

888
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:33,760
dermatological conditions bone weakness
and risk fractures cardiac failure

889
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:40,400
cognitive deficits diabetes if you have
diabetes it it it influences it it just

890
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:45,920
makes it worse I guess.
uh and I'll skip through some of these.

891
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:50,639
Myioardial damage, arterial
calcification,

892
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:57,600
arter uh arterioclerosis,
cancer of of the bone, osteocaroma,

893
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:04,000
cardiac insufficiency,
arm to fetal brain, immune system

894
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:09,199
complications, lower IQ, neurotoxic
effects including ADHD,

895
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:14,679
thyroid dysfunction. So in their studies
they found what other studies were also

896
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:14,679
finding.

897
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:22,000
If you don't know what dental fluorosis
is, there's a picture. I'm sure we've

898
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:28,560
seen this.
So is fluorid so is fluoridation

899
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:32,400
effective? Are the benefits
which outweigh the risks? Are there

900
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:36,880
benefits which outweigh the risks? There
is now agreement among dental

901
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:42,960
researchers that any benefit of fluoride
in fighting tooth decay comes from

902
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:48,639
direct application to the teeth not from
ingestion.

903
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:53,120
Um the effect effectiveness of
fluoridation is more myth and science.

904
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:58,560
Most European countries are not
fluidated yet. The World Health

905
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:04,560
Organization statistics statistics show
that European dental decay rates have

906
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:10,480
gone down [snorts] in Europe.
In addition, major US cities such as

907
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:16,719
Seattle, Chicago, Cincinnati, and Boston
have been flidating for decades.

908
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:22,320
Yet, they all are reporting rampant
tooth decay among children.

909
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:27,040
Adequate dental care and nutrition diet
are critical in reducing tooth decay and

910
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:32,320
both are absent in the low-income
populations of these cities.

911
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:37,440
I've had some questions. Is baiting or
swimming in fluoridated water harmful

912
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:41,040
for us or our pets? The only thing I
could find

913
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:45,440
it was that several studies indicate
that fluoride can be absorbed through

914
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:49,760
the skin,
but much more research I think is

915
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:54,639
needed. But if it's absorbed through the
skin, I would assume, again, I'm not a

916
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:58,880
doctor or a scientist, but if fluoride
can be absorbed through the skin, you're

917
01:35:56,719 --> 01:36:04,800
taking a shower in fluoridated
fluoridated water or swimming in your

918
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:10,480
pool that's loaded with that. Uh it's
it's being right.

919
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:14,320
Uh
so it [clears throat] is medically

920
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:20,639
irresponsible
and unethical to administer to everyone

921
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:25,199
without informed consent the same
medication without first determined

922
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:30,921
individual need. This is what the world
health organization also said.

923
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:37,520
So we have
[clears throat] 72 studies

924
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:42,080
that assess the fluoride IQ link.
Um but actually after an 8-year

925
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:47,360
systematic review, the federal
government's toxicology program

926
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:53,360
concluded with moderate confidence that
higher fluoride exposure is consistently

927
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:57,199
associated with lower IQ in children. I
have to reiterate on that. I I used to

928
01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:03,600
be a teacher. So for me this is
important. 72 studies assessed the

929
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:09,520
fluoride ink link. 88% of them, 64
studies found lower IQ with higher

930
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:14,760
fluoride. 18 of 19 studies of the
highest quality studies show the same

931
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,760
association.

932
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:23,040
Let's go to the legal things, legal
finding.

933
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:32,800
A federal court has already weighed in
in this evidence. the Food and Water

934
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:38,159
Watch versus EPA in uh September 2024,
they determined, and I quote, "Foridated

935
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:42,159
drinking water presents a risk of injury
to health."

936
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:48,719
Judge Edward Chen found that
fluoridation at the recommended 0.7

937
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:54,239
milligrams per liter poses an
unreasonable risk of reduced IQ in

938
01:37:51,679 --> 01:38:01,040
children under the Toxic Substances
Control Act in order that the EPA take

939
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:06,080
in order the EPA to take regulatory
action.

940
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:12,960
» Who who was that?
>> That was the uh the food and water watch

941
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:19,360
versus EPA. It was in the US District
Court of

942
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:24,719
uh Intel ND California September 2024.
It's on that packet that I gave you.

943
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:30,800
So,
we wouldn't be alone. The country is

944
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:35,840
already moving on this. Um numerous
states including Florida and many others

945
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:42,800
have already eliminated
uh fluoride out of their water 100%.

946
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:48,400
Federal you have a uh September 2020 for
a federal court ruling.

947
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:53,040
You have JAMA pediatrics
peer-reviewed meta analysis links

948
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:58,480
chloride to lower children IQ and other
health problems which I've mentioned

949
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:07,760
already. The HHS and EPA reviews show
also the same uh problems in and u in

950
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:12,560
what it can do to our health. um
statewide bans Utah, Florida and then

951
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:18,080
Florida become the first states to ban
fluidation

952
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:23,440
and so the way it spreads uh the FDA now
is moving on children's fluoride to drop

953
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:28,239
it get rid [snorts] of it and and it's
that's something that they're trying to

954
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:33,920
do mind you that next door to us already
got rid of fluoride

955
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,920
if you didn't

956
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:44,080
So,
you know, I could go into the whole, you

957
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:48,480
know, why are you medicating us?
Medicating a whole town without

958
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:53,840
individual consent, no informed consent.
Fluor fluoride works on contact. One

959
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:59,679
dose for everyone is wrong. A 20 pound
infant in a 120 pound adult get fluoride

960
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:04,719
from the same water with no ability to
adjust for body size or health. I talked

961
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:09,440
about that.
Uh,

962
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:12,800
and that's it. I think I'm going to stop
there. I think I've given you guys tons

963
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:17,679
of information. I hear people falling
asleep behind me. So, I I'm just going

964
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:22,080
to give you guys now some of these
studies. Fluoride,

965
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:25,679
uh, friend or foe.
>> You know, if that's your five minute

966
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:29,119
presentation, [laughter]
I'm just kidding.

967
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:34,480
» I'm going to keep my mouth shut, but
here. All right. friend or foe.

968
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:39,600
Uh
prenatal exposure to fluoride. Here's

969
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:44,080
one study, one of many studies.
Uh parental fluoride exposure and

970
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:51,360
attention deficit hyperactivity
disorder. Here's a study. Prenatal

971
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:56,719
fluoride exposure the outcomes in two US
pregnancy cohorts. Remember I told about

972
01:40:54,320 --> 01:41:02,080
uh fluoride passing the placenta and
causing problems. So here's that study.

973
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:08,400
Fluoride exposure in children's IQ
scores. There's one. The effect of

974
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:13,560
fluoride on cytotoxicity
uh involved in mitochondrial dysfunction

975
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:23,520
ingestible fluoride drug products.
Uh scientific evaluation of use benefits

976
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:30,719
and risks in the pediatric population.
These ones actually come from the FDA

977
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:38,000
and I found a website actually Billy led
me to that website fluoride Action

978
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:43,520
Network. Um it has a ton of information.
Uh and of course some people are going

979
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:49,440
to say well they're biased guys. The
American Heart Association is biased.

980
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:53,440
Okay. uh
fluoride action network really has a

981
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:58,080
page in there with a collection of all
of a lot of the studies not all of them

982
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:03,520
a lot of these here are not in there but
but it has a collection of of studies so

983
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:07,760
if you want to educate yourself and you
want to get information they have a ton

984
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:13,679
of information and for me it's like this
I like med I like IA I like you know you

985
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:18,080
can go there and research and they have
everything cataloged in there all of

986
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:22,960
these researches aail available online.
Uh you can literally go to med and and

987
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:25,119
find all of that.
>> Yeah.

988
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:28,159
» Okay.
>> So,

989
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,840
» you ready to get to the question and
>> Yeah.

990
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:34,119
» answer portion?
>> Do my best? Yes.

991
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:34,119
» Okay.

992
01:42:35,106 --> 01:42:37,520
[snorts]
>> Mr. Taylor,

993
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:43,119
» anybody else got any?
>> I believe that

994
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:46,880
you have the floor in this. Isaac, you
have questions?

995
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:51,920
Thanks for doing a good job.
>> Hey Joe, I we we appreciate

996
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:55,800
» all of the information that you've given
us. You're welcome.

997
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,800
» Um

998
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:05,440
I do have to say
that I'm glad that um we all had the

999
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,239
opportunity ourselves
>> Yeah.

1000
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:13,760
» to research um outside of this
presentation. Um and I'm not I'm not

1001
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:17,440
saying anything about your your
presentation. It was great. It was full

1002
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:24,800
of [snorts] uh information and
knowledge. [clears throat] Um but it was

1003
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:29,080
very clearly based toward removing
fluoride. Um

1004
01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:39,951
there are also arguments guys. This
brought up to me two years ago um and

1005
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:43,280
Corey. So we've been back and forth. Um
[clears throat]

1006
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:49,520
we've talked about it a little bit. has
been brought up again

1007
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:58,560
and uh there are arguments on both sides
of it. Um because if there wasn't, it

1008
01:43:52,880 --> 01:44:03,600
wouldn't already be in the water. So um
with that in mind, Corey has some

1009
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:07,040
questions for you. Um I don't think
Isaac has too many. Maybe a few.

1010
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,400
» Yeah, a few. Okay,
>> we'll let Cory go first.

1011
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:12,800
» And so we're gonna we're gonna give Cory
the floor for a minute. Sure. You don't

1012
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:17,040
want to get yours out.
>> And and that's basically why I like I

1013
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:22,000
said right at the beginning, I looked at
both sides,

1014
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:26,480
» you know, like a scale. And and the more
I read, the more I and and when I

1015
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:31,199
started seeing the the facts of the
sugar industry skewing things, you know,

1016
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:34,960
I started finding a lot of foul cheese
in there and a lot of all of this stuff

1017
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:41,040
that goes on unfortunately in this
world. And of course, then, you know,

1018
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:44,800
the scale for me started tipping because
and and and that's that's absolutely

1019
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:48,960
fine. I mean, [clears throat]
honestly, I already knew that before you

1020
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:53,199
done this because you're very passionate
about it. You've been very open about

1021
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:59,239
it. Um, but we're going to let Corey ask
some questions.

1022
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:59,239
Um,

1023
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:02,280
so

1024
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:10,000
first off, Billy, I know you're on
vacation. Would you confirm something

1025
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:15,119
for me? I think I asked you this, but I
wasn't really sure how to answer.

1026
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:19,679
Um,
Vanessa gave me these. These are the

1027
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:23,040
water reports we have that I think we
send to

1028
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:26,320
» at least we do we have it available for
everybody.

1029
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,400
» I know we have like information on here
as far as our

1030
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:33,360
» levels,
>> wellad or le our toxicity levels.

1031
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:39,440
» Yes.
>> Bacteria levels, things like that.

1032
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:44,000
Um,
okay. Well, the wellhead

1033
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:48,400
information is in here. I mean, we can
not in here, but we can there's a note

1034
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:52,080
in there that you guys can you guys can
get it. I know there was on Facebook

1035
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:58,719
there was a question about arsenic at
one point runoff from farms and fields

1036
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:02,960
and you know there is a board that kind
of monitors all of that and checks on

1037
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:07,440
all those things and it's all stuff that
has to be sent in to I think we work

1038
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:12,960
with Wesler on their other side another
department to put all that information

1039
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:15,960
together for the public.
Um,

1040
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,400
where do I start?

1041
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:32,080
Um,
so you mentioned

1042
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:37,360
that the stuff that we put in we use to
fluoridate the water

1043
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:40,239
hydro florosic.
>> We use the sodium fluoride.

1044
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:47,040
» We use the sodium fluoride.
>> I mentioned the three mostly. Yeah.

1045
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:53,679
» Uh well, you specifically called out
HSA, HSW or whatever

1046
01:46:51,520 --> 01:47:00,000
» HFS
um as a

1047
01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:08,840
byproduct
is sodium fluoride a byproduct of

1048
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:08,840
» industrial chemical synthetics and

1049
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:17,480
» that's from from what I've red. The
sodium fluoride is actually

1050
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:24,960
a compound that is produced,
not scraped off of a

1051
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,960
» okay
>> pollution.

1052
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:37,239
» The study is there. You could, you know,
find it.

1053
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,239
» Um,

1054
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:44,639
so I just I I'm concerned. concerned.
I'm not necessarily concerned about

1055
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:48,960
everything that you
>> still wait for a question.

1056
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:52,560
» I know
maybe I'm not want to ask a question.

1057
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:55,040
Maybe I just want comments. How about
that? Okay. Can I comment?

1058
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,239
» Absolutely.
>> Sure can.

1059
01:47:55,679 --> 01:48:02,800
» Cool.
>> Okay. Um Okay. So, I'm just This is This

1060
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:07,119
is the first thing, right? And so, it's
not pharmaceutical grade. It's toxic.

1061
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:14,080
It's a carcinogen. Yet, we're going to
say we're medicated.

1062
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:18,480
Well, okay. Medication would be pharm
pharm.

1063
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:23,760
If we're not medicating, if it if it is
toxic, then no, we're actually poison.

1064
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:26,760
Is that what she would say?
>> Okay.

1065
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:36,000
» But we're but we specifically use
medication for lack of consent. Anytime

1066
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:42,480
you administer
a chemical

1067
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:46,800
or a product that is
something like that, you're you're

1068
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:51,040
medicating somebody
uh

1069
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:57,320
or poisoning them.
>> Well, in this case, yes.

1070
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:57,320
» Okay. I mean, the studies and the

1071
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,400
stuff that I presented to you or the
stuff that I read point links to all of

1072
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:06,480
that.
>> Gotcha.

1073
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:14,960
Well,
I I looked up a lot of these

1074
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:23,760
that you pointed out.
Um, let's go here to Mr. Hardy Limeback.

1075
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:28,960
Um I listened to him.
He was talking about this was uh 1999 I

1076
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:33,520
think somewhere late 90s
>> somewhere around

1077
01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:37,280
» um and he said that the evidence of
fluidation is more harmful than

1078
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:43,920
beneficial.
Um I think if I'm not mistaken

1079
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:51,280
one of the things he was talking about
was fluoride supplements, pills and

1080
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:55,440
drugs. literally talks about foridation
of water water foration.

1081
01:49:53,679 --> 01:50:01,199
» He did bring that up.
>> Yeah.

1082
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:05,600
» Um in August 19th, 2005, you said the
unions representing over 7,000

1083
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:12,159
professional employees called for a
nationwide moratorum on fidation and

1084
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:18,159
also congressional investigation of it.
>> What came about that moratorum?

1085
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:23,520
» Did they did they enact it? Uh they they
they did some of it but as that's why I

1086
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:26,400
brought in the sugar industry.
>> Yeah.

1087
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:30,560
» Things get shut off and get thrown under
the rug

1088
01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:33,679
» because companies like the sugar
industry or the tobacco industry in this

1089
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:38,880
case [snorts] the sugar industry
basically put money in the right

1090
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:43,280
people's pockets and things get pushed
to the side.

1091
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:47,280
» Well, so actually they did not enact it.
>> I I don't think so. No, it was brought

1092
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:50,400
up, but it was never reconnected. It was
thrown in that

1093
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:55,040
» and and the reason the reason they said
they they didn't do it is that

1094
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:58,080
» that the standard recommendation levels
are safe.

1095
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:01,440
» The what?
>> Standard recommend recommended levels

1096
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:05,520
are safe.
>> Well, that's what they try to pass. If

1097
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:10,000
you look at if you read the book like I
did, they they mention

1098
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:12,800
» this isn't a book. This is this is the
unions.

1099
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:16,560
» Yes. But that's also in the book. That's
part of all of that. the findings. If

1100
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:20,239
you read the book, it talks about all of
these findings.

1101
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:23,760
» Yeah, I went I went to the actual
>> Okay.

1102
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:27,360
» And they said that they stopped
uh they they did not enact it because

1103
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:31,199
they stated that the recommended levels
are actually safe.

1104
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:35,360
» Yes. And that's why I brought up the
sugar industry and all of that where

1105
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:38,320
just to show that
>> unfortunately there's things that are

1106
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:42,320
brought up,
>> you know, they find they find studies,

1107
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:48,080
they have studies, they fund studies,
other independent companies fund studies

1108
01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:53,040
and they find problems with fluoride in
this case and things get shoved under

1109
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:57,760
the rug because you know the big
industry basically paying these people

1110
01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:02,080
to hash keep it down because this is not
beneficial for us. else to explain that

1111
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:08,960
to you, but that's pretty much
>> So the unions were paid off.

1112
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:12,000
» Some unions were paid off. Some of the
>> pull back the moratorum.

1113
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:16,000
» The biggest concern for me is not even
the getting paid off. It's the

1114
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:21,280
scientists who are paid off and the
studies that conclude that fluoride is

1115
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:24,960
good for you were conducted by
scientists who are being paid by the

1116
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:29,480
sugar industry. That's what my problem
with all of this.

1117
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:29,480
» I got you.

1118
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:36,800
» Um, and you you put down here in June
2005, scientists at the Environmental

1119
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:41,119
Working Group asked the National
Institutes of Health to list fluoride in

1120
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:43,199
tap water as a carcinogen.
>> Mhm.

1121
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:46,000
» Was it?
>> Yes.

1122
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:50,960
» Actually, it wasn't.
>> No, they they they did recommend that.

1123
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:55,040
» I mean, I looked it up. It's not labeled
by anybody as a carcinogen. No, you

1124
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:56,960
asked me a question. I'm sorry. Ask me
that question again. Maybe I didn't

1125
01:52:56,239 --> 01:53:01,920
understand.
>> In June 20, you put in June 2005.

1126
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:06,560
» Uhhuh.
>> Scientists at the Environmental Working

1127
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:10,480
Group asked the National Institutes of
Health to list fluoride in tap water as

1128
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:12,639
a carcinogen.
>> Yes, they did ask that.

1129
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:18,560
» They did ask it.
>> So, what was your question?

1130
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:23,599
» Did the NIH
list fluoride as a carcinogen?

1131
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:27,679
» That I don't know. They did not.
>> Okay. [cough]

1132
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:33,599
» Why did not Why did they not?
>> Uh because because there's no study

1133
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:40,880
showing specifically with imperial
imperial evidence

1134
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:44,239
» that it is the cause the cause
>> of cancer.

1135
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:48,480
» So you're going to tell me that all of
the other 80 something studies

1136
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,280
» go ahead
>> that showed that and they're right

1137
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:54,639
there. some of them on your table.
They're all wrong.

1138
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:59,360
» One that shows
>> I'm not saying that.

1139
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:01,360
» Well, I'm just
>> Okay.

1140
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:07,119
» Okay.
>> The uh So, you you had in here about the

1141
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:11,760
fluoride deception
um by Christopher Bryson.

1142
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:15,360
» Um
he discusses how industry and the

1143
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:20,560
military work behind the scenes to bury
or alter studies. Yep. Manhattan

1144
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:23,199
project. Um,
I never really

1145
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:26,159
» Did you read the book?
>> No, I'm not going to read.

1146
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:28,320
» I read the book 400 pages of Would you
like me to describe it for you?

1147
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:32,719
» Not really.
>> Okay, because I can if you want. Also,

1148
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:34,159
run home and get the book if you want to
read it.

1149
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:37,159
» It's okay.
>> Um,

1150
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:48,520
see
about that.

1151
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,520
Um,

1152
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:56,280
so here, well, here's another one. Um,

1153
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:03,920
is it required to flidate your water?
>> No.

1154
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:07,440
» Okay. So, here you put 2001. Dr. William
Persie,

1155
01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:11,520
senior vice president of headquarters
union said,

1156
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:17,199
"In summary, we hold that flidation is
an unre unreasonable risk that is toxic.

1157
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:23,599
It's the toxicity of fluoride is so
great blah blah blah

1158
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:30,080
uh that requiring every man, woman, and
child in America to ingest it is

1159
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:33,840
criminal. Well, we don't have to add it.
>> No, no, we don't.

1160
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:35,840
» So, it's it's not required to force
people.

1161
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:38,960
» Only thing we have to do is disinfect
it. Make sure there's no microorganisms

1162
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,800
in it.
>> But that's what he said. That's what he

1163
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:49,040
said. Yeah.
Um, I'm just kind of pointing out that

1164
01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:52,800
it's it's not required.
Um,

1165
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:59,520
I'll do this here. Uh, so you said, "How
can we uh how can we and our pets avoid

1166
01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:04,080
fluoride explo exposure?" Well, yeah.
Avoid it by don't drinking it. Don't

1167
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:09,280
drink it. Don't take other things. I
agree with that. If you don't want to

1168
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:14,400
have it in you, don't drink it. Ingest
it. Um,

1169
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:17,280
» I had a lot more about water and dogs
and all that, but I removed it just for

1170
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,280
the sake of time.
>> Yeah.

1171
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:32,080
» You know that it's been uh advised by
the EPA and CDC for decades

1172
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:37,440
not to give your infants
fluidated water.

1173
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:41,520
I mean, I know when I had kids, that's
we used nursery water, which was bottled

1174
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:44,800
water with no fluoride, right?
>> But a lot of people don't know that.

1175
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:49,440
» Yeah.
>> Unless you go out and read it and study

1176
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:53,840
it and educate yourself.
>> Yeah, I know. This is crazy how much is

1177
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:59,040
out there.
Um

1178
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:05,040
CDC actually recommends that children
three and older

1179
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:09,760
that they do use fluoride fluoridated
tap water.

1180
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:15,360
That's what that's what they said on the
website. But then the dental

1181
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:19,360
association, right, that I mentioned in
there has studies that say otherwise,

1182
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:25,760
right?
>> So what do you mean that?

1183
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:30,639
» Yes. Not what I found.
>> And also the case that you decide you

1184
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:34,800
cited from your stuff, the ninth circuit
case, it's been overturned and demanded

1185
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:37,840
because of procedural errors and that
they didn't touch the science in the

1186
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:42,880
original court case.
>> Well, well, here let's clear this up

1187
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:46,719
because so the judge said that they
needed to do something about it, that

1188
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:50,719
they needed to investigate it.
>> It was overturned because that judge

1189
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:54,960
overreached.
That's what I found. And he he didn't

1190
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:59,440
have the authority to to force that.
>> Yes. But it was a procedural opinion. It

1191
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:03,920
was not scientific or have any merits
regarding fluidation or anything. It was

1192
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:06,920
a procedural thing and it's been
overturned.

1193
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:10,599
Um,

1194
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:16,520
the NRC
2006,

1195
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:22,040
what did they determine

1196
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:31,280
as far as the recommended levels?
Do you guys do you remember?

1197
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:37,840
» That's okay. Yeah. So,
>> so, so the way they had it is that um.7

1198
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:42,239
to 1.2
millgram per liter was the

1199
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:49,920
» was the old standard
>> was the the

1200
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:54,000
suggested the recommended level.
>> I think they've actually dropped it in

1201
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:59,679
2014
2011 or 2014 to just saying 7, right?

1202
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:04,080
» Yes.
two

1203
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:07,840
milligrams is actually the secondary.
You said that secondary

1204
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:11,440
uh warning.
>> So, it's it's the beginning of the hey,

1205
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:22,560
we're going to potentially have a
problem. Four is the anything above four

1206
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:30,080
milligrams per liter is is becomes an
issue. So if we did if we did that

1207
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:35,840
at what we say three liters a day I
think the average for a man's 3.7 and a

1208
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:41,840
average for a woman is 2.7
adult talk about adults would be what?

1209
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:47,920
So we take three times four and that's
12 milligrams

1210
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:56,000
a day
is the is the tipping point if you will

1211
01:59:53,520 --> 02:00:01,520
and they recommended to lower that. They
did they did recommend to lower that. Um

1212
01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:06,392
2.0 was the level because that's
whenever they started seeing that dental

1213
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:11,199
fluorosis. Does that make sense?
[snorts]

1214
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:14,719
Um, is dental fluorosis a health risk?
>> Yeah, you lose your teeth.

1215
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:19,440
» Okay. Well, they don't actually call it
a health risk

1216
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:22,719
because it's cosmetic issue.
>> Have you looked at dental ferosis look

1217
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,560
like?
>> Oh, yeah.

1218
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:26,719
» Okay.
>> You don't think that's a health risk? I

1219
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:29,599
mean, again,
>> I'm not I'm not saying what I think.

1220
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:32,480
» Doctor, I'm just saying
>> I'm saying what the powers that be say

1221
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,280
it is.
>> If my if my teeth start looking like

1222
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:42,520
that, I'm concerned. probably the ones
in the pockets, I guess. Um,

1223
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:56,960
if one of the um
in 2005, the Centers for Disease uh

1224
02:00:53,599 --> 02:01:01,199
control reported that 32% of US children
had some sort of uh form of dental

1225
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:03,679
fluorosis
>> is what you put in here.

1226
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:06,679
» Yeah.
Uh

1227
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:15,679
but on nonfidated
uh children

1228
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:18,679
they had up to five times more tooth
decay

1229
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:26,000
from
from [snorts] that same thing, same

1230
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:29,000
study.
Um

1231
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:37,520
you know uh what do you what would you
attribute to the main cause of tooth

1232
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:39,119
decay?
>> Me personally.

1233
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:43,199
» Yeah.
>> Diet issues. Sugar.

1234
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:48,159
» Sugar
and they have related that to the sugar

1235
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:52,679
increase in our diet.
>> Sure.

1236
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:52,679
» Not the fluoride levels.

1237
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,040
Um,

1238
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:10,960
you sent me to fluoride alert.org.
I think I think that's where I went.

1239
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:14,320
Uh,
and you know, we talked about biasedness

1240
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:18,639
and I think you even mentioned this at
the end that everybody has has an

1241
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:24,960
agenda, right? And their main goal is to
stop flidation.

1242
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:29,520
because they believe that the the cons
outweigh the pros, right?

1243
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:36,400
» Yeah. But they have a bias and
>> so does the medical heart association.

1244
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:40,880
So does the diet American diet u you
know when you believe in a cause I guess

1245
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:44,480
I don't know what to tell you if you
believe you do the study do the research

1246
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:48,239
and you believe that something is not
good you going to research it and

1247
02:02:47,524 --> 02:02:52,480
[snorts]
you know

1248
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:58,920
» yeah so here at the end of your
references you referenced Buzzal 2004

1249
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:08,080
you know you know a lot of these these
things these these these cases were were

1250
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:16,400
good. Um you'll notice that most of them
prior to 2006 which is the NF NRC 2006

1251
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:23,119
uh review
uh a lot of this stuff actually created

1252
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:27,760
all these standards that we have now.
Basel

1253
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:31,440
» uh food was added as a risk factor for
fluorosis

1254
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:38,480
not just water fluoridation.
>> Oh yeah of course I did mention that

1255
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:42,480
» fine in 2001 found that bone meal was
the cause of the high fluoridation.

1256
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:46,639
» It can be sure
>> in in dog food

1257
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:51,679
» because because uh as I mentioned too
fluoride when you when you ingest

1258
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:55,360
fluoride your body doesn't get rid of
all of it. it accumulates it in your

1259
02:03:53,599 --> 02:04:00,560
body and the the area where it
accumulates it the most is your bones.

1260
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:04,239
So for example, bone broth. People who
enjoy bone broth have to be very careful

1261
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:10,765
because depending where that bone broth
is coming from because they could be

1262
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:10,765
extremely high in fluoride. [snorts]

1263
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:22,639
» Uh so you said uh during the last Well,
maybe you didn't say this. I don't know.

1264
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:26,239
You gave this to us. Uh
>> remember everything that I put in there

1265
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:33,159
is based on the research that I did and
find that I um in the research train. So

1266
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:33,159
» right

1267
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:41,199
you have in here it says during the last
15 to 20 years there's been a revolution

1268
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:45,840
in our understanding of fluoride's
effects on teeth. It is now well

1269
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:50,480
established that fluoride exposure is
directly and proportionately related to

1270
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:54,800
dental fluorosis. A range of adverse
health effects that includes modeling

1271
02:04:52,639 --> 02:05:00,880
pittling and pitting and weakening of
the teeth.

1272
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:06,719
And one of these you cited
as for that which you know dental I

1273
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:12,560
think that's pretty pretty well uh
agreed upon

1274
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:18,000
uh still affected that systemic over
topical

1275
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:24,040
was better for its lower safer exposure
>> topical

1276
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:24,040
» systemic over topical

1277
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:29,159
for just feder fedc 12

1278
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:32,440
study.

1279
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:43,199
Uh, I just, man, I just
some of these statements, man, when I

1280
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:48,800
got into them and I and I looked at what
you found it on, I just went a little

1281
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:52,239
further and found, but then it goes back
to

1282
02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:57,520
fluoride
is associated with an issue, but not

1283
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:06,400
necessarily the cause.
And I mean there in all the of the

1284
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:13,920
things that I looked at it came back to
fluidating water was the best result the

1285
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:19,920
best way to affect the
certain areas of the country that can't

1286
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:25,679
get dental health. I think that's really
what the issue is is we're fluidating

1287
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:31,639
the water not for the people who can go
to the dentist all the time. It's for

1288
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:31,639
the people who don't.

1289
02:06:32,159 --> 02:06:39,960
And
I mean

1290
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:39,960
I don't know.

1291
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:47,599
I don't know.
>> [snorts]

1292
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:52,360
» I found a lot of this inflammatory, I
guess, is what I'm really saying. The

1293
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:52,360
osteocaroma.

1294
02:06:52,400 --> 02:07:00,000
They couldn't they they couldn't
determine Well, actually, I think I

1295
02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:06,639
think I did find one one place where it
was linked to silicates

1296
02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:12,480
uh pulling lead out of
pipes,

1297
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:18,159
lead uh lead and brass fittings. And
that was creating an issue because

1298
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:20,560
silicates are what?
>> Minerals.

1299
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:22,079
» Spinach [clears throat] has silicates in
it.

1300
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:26,880
» Huh?
>> Spinach has silicates.

1301
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:30,560
» Yeah. Well, probably because we water
them with fluoridated water.

1302
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:35,280
» It's depending on the soil that the
plants grow in.

1303
02:07:31,679 --> 02:07:39,360
» Yeah. I mean, I I don't know. I mean,
um,

1304
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:44,639
I I guess what I wanted to ask you on
this was, is this something that we the

1305
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:47,360
testing that we do that you're putting
on this report? Is that before or after

1306
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:49,360
we flate?
>> That's after.

1307
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:57,599
» That's after.
>> Everything is sent to a third party lab

1308
02:07:54,000 --> 02:08:04,560
on those reports. Um, Eli Labs out of
Madison, Indiana does all of our outside

1309
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:08,079
testing for circle for the majority of
things.

1310
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:17,440
Um,
also you you mentioned that uh

1311
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:24,000
at at at 4.0
then they could enforce an issue on us

1312
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:30,400
and they can't, can they? We can't be we
can't we can't do something about our

1313
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:34,880
flidation if it's high
naturally. Well, it's not

1314
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:37,840
» I I know but there are places in the
country where it is.

1315
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:41,360
» There's places in the country where it's
where it's 10 milligrams per liter.

1316
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:45,440
» Yeah.
>> 12.

1317
02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:49,760
» I mean, but there's no process in which
we can reduce it.

1318
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:55,920
» Well, filtration systems.
>> Well, without filtration, so it's we're

1319
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:59,840
not set up for all that. That's
>> we don't need it.

1320
02:08:57,679 --> 02:09:04,320
What I'm saying though is it's not you
can't enforce

1321
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:06,639
» like there's no law saying we have to be
below a certain level.

1322
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:10,079
» Yeah, there is.
>> There is law.

1323
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:14,679
» Same thing with our sneaking everything
else.

1324
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:14,679
» Well, that one there is

1325
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,520
lead
>> and fluoride also. If your fluoride is

1326
02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:23,520
above the recommend
>> I didn't find one on fluoride.

1327
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:28,000
» Arsenic and radium is found in fluoride.
If you even touch radium, your skin gets

1328
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:30,960
severe or reaction.
>> Why? Why does it come from there though?

1329
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:34,560
» It's
>> Why is it contained in it? It's not

1330
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:38,880
really contained in it. It's just in the
mixture that's found in the same

1331
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:43,599
fluoride.
Radium is found in the same material

1332
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:46,960
that's used during the industrial
>> found I gave you the research

1333
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:52,400
» because it's found in the ground. That's
where radium's found.

1334
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:56,480
» When the products are being man made
from products that are things you would

1335
02:09:54,719 --> 02:10:02,480
not want to put on your table for
yourself to eat, for example. Okay? And

1336
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:05,760
they're making these chemicals to create
these, [snorts]

1337
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:11,840
you know, whatever additives you need to
put in your water. It's it's in there.

1338
02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:17,920
You just have to do the research.
I I provided some of you for it. Go do

1339
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:24,719
the research. you will find it.
>> What I'm saying is I did it

1340
02:10:20,719 --> 02:10:25,840
» and I came to a different conclusion.
[snorts]

1341
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:29,760
» So,
>> I'll tell you,

1342
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:34,719
» you you're entitled to your different
>> I'm not trying to be inflammatory at

1343
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:37,440
all. I just basically compressed the 45
minute

1344
02:10:35,599 --> 02:10:43,800
» presentation. Okay.
>> As I go.

1345
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:43,800
» All right. I think um

1346
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:51,520
I think we've
beat this horse horse to death, as they

1347
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:58,320
say.
Um I I personally I'm ready for a vote.

1348
02:10:56,079 --> 02:11:00,000
Cory, are you ready for a vote?
>> Sure.

1349
02:10:58,639 --> 02:11:04,320
» Isaac, are you ready for a vote?
>> Yeah, let's get her done.

1350
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:09,599
» Before we vote, Isaac, do you have
anything to say?

1351
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:15,119
Uh main thing that I found um health
effects aside

1352
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:20,400
uh in terms of being for taking it out
is it's just not necessary to have in

1353
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:25,679
the water anymore. We get fluoride
>> like you said everywhere else. Um there

1354
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:31,040
is a little bit of a cost with it.
Um but it's a scale. Another thing that

1355
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:36,000
one thing that you said and this is kind
of verbatim. You said forcing people to

1356
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:43,360
consume fluoride. You don't have to
drink the water if you don't want to.

1357
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:46,360
So, you got to think about that, too.
>> Yeah.

1358
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:53,199
» And I mean, it's not required by the
state.

1359
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:58,560
» No.
>> So, it's really up to our discretion.

1360
02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:01,960
» Maybe there isn't a right or wrong.
maybe just

1361
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:09,079
» so my so my take on it um is

1362
02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:18,960
when this practice was adopted
um dental procedures were different

1363
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:27,840
um
dental availability was different

1364
02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:36,880
um I feel like even in
even at at the lower standard of living,

1365
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:43,440
putting it as nicely as I can.
um

1366
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:50,560
dental care is available
for most children

1367
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:58,000
cuz I know I know that um it is provided
um through uh dentists that give up um a

1368
02:12:55,040 --> 02:13:03,440
portion of their time to help children
at schools

1369
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:10,400
um that that don't have the ability to
to go to the dentist on their own or

1370
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:18,480
with their parents help. Um,
fluoride is readily

1371
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:24,480
um available in other manners,
whether it be through the dentist or

1372
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:31,159
through um special products that you
ingest.

1373
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:31,159
Um, when you drink water,

1374
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:38,239
how much of that is actually going to
your teeth? Because you're drinking the

1375
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:45,040
water. 99% of the time, you're not
swishing the water around in your mouth

1376
02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:48,320
» to get get the the fluoride on your
teeth. I mean, it's it's just going

1377
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:52,760
straight in. Correct.
>> Yeah.

1378
02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:52,760
» Um, so

1379
02:13:53,840 --> 02:14:03,119
» Yeah. Those
are some things that I thought of

1380
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:09,387
whenever I was making up my mind on top
of a lot of the research that was um

1381
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:13,520
given
[clears throat]

1382
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:16,960
from Pedro and other people of our
community that would like to see it

1383
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:23,280
removed.
Um, I know there are a few

1384
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:27,599
because I've had way more I've had a lot
more people come to me that don't want

1385
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:33,199
it than would like to keep it,
especially since Pedro started putting

1386
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:38,639
things on uh Facebook. Um, I have seen a
few more people that would like to keep

1387
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:41,840
it, but I've still see way a lot more
people that want to get rid of it.

1388
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:45,440
Um,
>> I haven't had anybody come to me saying

1389
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:50,159
they want to get rid of it. I've
actually had

1390
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:55,280
Many people come to me and tell me they
want to keep it.

1391
02:14:53,119 --> 02:15:01,119
» Is there anybody here that attended
today that wants to keep it or remove

1392
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:06,560
» I just just one thing and forgive me. I
know this thing bomb for everybody.

1393
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:10,320
First off, the next time we do this, I
want one of those chairs.

1394
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:13,360
I don't want one of these again. All
right, let's let's just get that out of

1395
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:16,880
the way. That's definitely something I
need. I think really what we're talking

1396
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:20,239
about here is a cube of effect, right?
We get fluoride everywhere, right? I'm

1397
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:24,480
drinking coffee, I'm drinking tea,
you're grabbing a Coke, getting a

1398
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:30,000
Gatorade, Similac, Enfamil, whatever it
is, everything has fluoride in it. I

1399
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:33,520
can't really totally control that.
That's not something that I could do.

1400
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:39,760
But I'm getting the fluoride that I
need. So, where can I control it? And

1401
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:46,320
and it is at this local level is I think
that's that's just what it is right now.

1402
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:52,800
And So to have the addition of fluoride
when it's not necessarily needed because

1403
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:56,560
of the sources that we get it from
should we continue to add it. So it

1404
02:15:54,639 --> 02:16:02,800
still builds in our bodies. It builds in
our children's bodies. It builds in the

1405
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:07,440
pets bodies and to the point that it
does start to create problems at this

1406
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:11,040
which we can we can all see. I don't
care what side you're on. Everybody

1407
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:13,040
knows that there's issues if you overdo
anything,

1408
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:17,769
» right? I think we can all agree with
that and that's what we're starting to

1409
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:21,520
do. We're starting to see the open use
[cough]

1410
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:25,679
of it and um that's the reason we're
here. We wanted to support it at this

1411
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:27,920
level to say listen I got plenty of it.
I get in my toothpaste. I got plenty of

1412
02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:30,400
it.
>> Yeah.

1413
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:35,840
» You know what I mean? What can I help
control to limit accumulating in my

1414
02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:42,719
body? This is one of the ways we felt
that we would have some power to be able

1415
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:45,760
to to do that and help that issue.
We also we can't sorry

1416
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:49,359
» no go ahead
>> we can pick not to drink the water but

1417
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:53,280
some people don't have the resources to
not shower with the water not put it on

1418
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:57,920
our skin brush our teeth with the water
we're still ingesting it and what you

1419
02:16:55,840 --> 02:17:04,080
said it can't absorb through our skin
are still soaking our bodies in it

1420
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:07,359
» about those that can't afford to buy
bottled water and they have to drink

1421
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:11,519
that water
>> or the people who are worried about

1422
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:13,599
bioplastics from plastic Okay. So, so
with that,

1423
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:18,639
» Yes, sir.
>> So, if they can't afford bottled water,

1424
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:23,439
they probably also can't afford
a regular

1425
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:29,120
dental care reg, you know, they can't
afford to go buy toothpaste every month.

1426
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:38,840
They can't afford to buy uh mouthwash
every other week, you know. Um, so

1427
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:38,840
without without picking at straws

1428
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:45,760
because that that we could do this all
night long.

1429
02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:50,639
Um,
I think it's time. I think it's I think

1430
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:55,359
um
us we up here we pretty well already

1431
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:59,599
everybody at this table has made up
their mind. Um there's not going to be

1432
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:06,319
any more changing it.
At this time,

1433
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:13,319
I would like to put it up for vote
uh to remove

1434
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:13,319
fluoride from the water system

1435
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:16,840
beginning immediately.

1436
02:18:17,359 --> 02:18:23,040
Do I have a second?
>> Second.

1437
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:26,800
» All those in favor? I
>> I

1438
02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:31,479
all those
not in favor?

1439
02:18:28,479 --> 02:18:31,479
» Nay.

1440
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:40,599
» Okay. Two to one. We will be
discontinuing fluoride in the Osville

1441
02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:40,599
water system.

1442
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:47,359
Okay.
Well,

1443
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:53,120
» thank you.
>> I thank everybody for coming for that.

1444
02:18:49,599 --> 02:19:00,080
Um, everybody that showed up on either
side of keeping it or um

1445
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:06,399
getting rid of it.
All the research that was done, [snorts]

1446
02:19:03,519 --> 02:19:09,760
we thank you
and if

1447
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:15,679
somebody feels the need to come speak
about it, we can still

1448
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:20,559
talk about it. Just because we got rid
of it doesn't mean that it can't still

1449
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:24,160
be a discussion. Maybe at this point it
can just be a personal discussion. and

1450
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:28,559
you can just come talk to us and ask us
why.

1451
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:34,960
All right. [clears throat] Um, there
will be a special meeting on September

1452
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:42,599
the 10th at 6 p.m. um with the
Owensville Town Council and Mainstream

1453
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:42,599
and both of their

1454
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:48,640
legal councils, their legal council and
ours.

1455
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:50,560
» Um, he said he could be available by
phone. I didn't know if you wanted him

1456
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:53,200
to actually
>> if he does if he doesn't need to be then

1457
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:58,080
it's not that big a deal.
>> I think it's just coming up with what

1458
02:19:55,359 --> 02:20:01,439
you all want the agreement to say and
then we'll draft something and then

1459
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:05,120
we'll get it to them and then they can
come back with the counter offer, sign

1460
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:11,120
it or whatever they want to do. Um I
thought it'd be best for you all to just

1461
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:15,359
make up your mind what you guys want. Um
>> and then start from there.

1462
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:20,000
» Thank you.
So [snorts] again, that is September the

1463
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:25,120
10th at 6 PM and then uh the adoption of
the 2027 budget will be September the

1464
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:29,600
15th at 6 PM.
These two

1465
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:34,800
will get to uh
vote to adopt that. I have to

1466
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:39,040
abstain because I'm on the fire
department

1467
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:45,600
» and Indiana law has not cut up caught up
with fire districts yet. So that's fun.

1468
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:51,760
Um, the next town council meeting will
be

1469
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:55,840
» October the 6th at 6:30 p.m.
>> With that, I will make a motion to

1470
02:20:53,600 --> 02:21:02,640
adjourn the Orangeville Town Council
meeting on September the 1st at 8:23

1471
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:02,640
p.m. Second.