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The public comment after each ordinance, but it needs to be germane to that ordinance, not some other topic. And it needs to be three. It will be no calling out from the audience, if you don't mind. And that's not fair to the other people here who would like to speak for the same amount of time. Any other announcements from commissioners? All right.

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So moving right along.

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We have the Tullet County Sheriff's Report and we turn it off since we're to get that.

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Good evening.

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For the month of July, the Tullet County Sheriff's Office provided full-time staff into the town of Oxford.

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In July, there were a total of 299 incidents involved within the town limits of Oxford.

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These activity totals captured the incidents responded to by the Tullet County Sheriff's Office.

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13 traffic stops, 33 traffic assignments with nine additional traffic

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stops, 217 patrol checks, two foot patrols, three parking violations, five

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burglar alarms, one animal complaint, two motor vehicle collisions,

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property damage only, 1901 hang up, one suspicious conditions, four trees down

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or debris in the roadway from recent storms.

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Two found property incidents, and there were three criminal

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incidents to report for the month.

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On July 3rd, Deputy's from the Tobacanic Sheriff's Office

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were providing assistance to the town of Oxford

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during its fireworks display.

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During the time, he definitely observed his early behavior

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on the Oxford Bellevue ferry.

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The deputy later learned that an intoxicated individual had

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attempted to re-board the ferry to be transported back

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to Bellevue, however the individual was prevented from boarding.

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The individual alleged that they had been assaulted

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by a ferry employee.

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There were no visible signs of injury,

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and the individual was referred to the District Court

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Commissioner to seek charges.

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On July 7, the deputy is from the Tower of County Sheriff's

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Office, responding to the 100 block of Robes Harbor Court

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in reference to a fraud.

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Upon arrival, deputies learned that the victim

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had received a phone call from an individual.

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Individual claiming to be a representative

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from the police officer's fund and requested a small donation.

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The victim did provide them with a small donation before realizing that the solicitation was fraudulent.

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On July 9, Deputy's from the Talbikini Sheriff's Office responded through the 100 block of jail times

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and driving reference to a fraud.

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Deputy learned that the victim had fallen victim to a scam originating on TikTok,

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where an individual offered to pay the victim for the use of one of their images.

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The victim was later sent a check and instructed to deposit the check into their bank account.

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The victim was then instructed to send the portion of the money back to the scammer using cash at an Apple Wall.

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Once the victim realized that they had fallen victim to the scam, they blocked the scammer's phone number

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and the victim subsequently began, sorry, the victim was then started being harassed by the scammer

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and they contacted the sheriff's office.

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Again, I think we've met with some citizens

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about a month or a month and a half, two months ago about scams.

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I just want to reiterate, if you don't know these people,

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if you get a strange email, a strange phone call, anything.

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If you don't know, you're not familiar with this person,

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please don't give them any personal information.

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Don't send them a donation.

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Don't give them any money.

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They'll send them your credit card information.

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Please call the sheriff's office and we'll help you through the process or if you have

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any questions just hang up.

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That's simple.

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You can do the same with emails, don't or pop-ups on your computer, don't click on the

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pops-up, pop-ups, don't answer strange emails, don't donate to the police officer's fund.

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If anybody's going to call us for a donation, it's not going to be the police department.

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We don't do that.

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And if we're looking for you, for instance, and this is a scan, it's been going on for years, you fail to pay a fine, I never want for your rest.

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They're not going to call you on the phone and tell you that we're going to have a new door.

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Just to be mindful of those, you know, unfortunately, it's not just happening in Oxford, you know,

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everybody has fallen victim for these scams and I can't reiterate.

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So if you have any questions or we can help you in any way, please call us and we can walk

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you through it.

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And then just a couple of announcements, we will not be hosting coffee with a deputy for

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months of August and September. We will continue in the month of August and then I was asked to

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remind the citizens that our sheriff that these can't handle or issue citations for municipal

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violations within the town of Oxford. If it does fall in state law, we certainly can, but just

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want to remind that if there's a town ordinance, the sheriff's office can't enforce it. It's just

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and that's part of what was in the end of you.

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So the town would have to come up with someone who could take

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some for enforcement action, but again, the deputies can do that.

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So I'd be happy to answer any questions that the town

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commissioners may have, but if not, I'll excuse myself.

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Well, I'm assuming you can issue a speeding ticket.

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We can, so if it's state law, a corner percent,

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we can't enforce that.

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But if it's the town on the way to Orgents,

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that the deputies can't write a town citation off the town ordinance is that

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makes sense where we can't write a parking ticket where somebody's parked in

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the town boat ramp lot that the deputies can't force up so if it's if the

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sign-ins has changed and I focal holiday about that then we can but you can on the

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state road again so all of me and state no I've been just referring to any

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town ordinance where if it's something special that prior to the officer who was

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hired at the officer that worked here could enforce whether it be your there was

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one that was where you could be parked too close to another car or something like

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that or you know a dog not having a leash on some small minor things like

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that the deputy's can't force any questions I mean we're happy to walk you through

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process on what you can do, but as far as issues, citations on a town citation, we can't do that.

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We can talk about this at a coffee at a bar. Okay, great. Any other questions for Lieutenant

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Dobson? All right, moving on to the town managers before.

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Actually, no, no, no, no, we have

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I'm going to leave my report, you will get a copy of it, and I'll see it in a second.

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Thank you so a lot of writing.

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As you are aware, we have a completely new work for this year's election.

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Karen's song raciously agrees to remain on the board through the election as a veteran

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and I have only been on since April 2025.

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It feels longer, but it's good for record.

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I'm coming forward to today with comments about suggested charter changes that the board will continue

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to deliberate and finalize on the 13th today for now, and we'll bring definitive recommendations

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As a subsequent commissioners need, should you deem them worthy of change and that those that are

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time sensitive be enacted before the town is required to submit its election plan to the

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12 accounting board of the elections by December 22.

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I was aware that there are time constraints required for charter changes.

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I want to publicly say that one error that I need to take the possibility for was that we

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accepted an out-of-date form of ID being allowed a long time resident to vote using that

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key.

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This will not happen in the future.

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We will be more careful in reviewing and accepting various forms of ID to ensure they are qualified.

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We also will have tighter control on voters speaking to one another while in a voting booth.

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This year we had a husband call out to his wife and now who am I supposed to do that?

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So because it's our job to not have that act and we're going to tighten on the control on people's feet.

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As you are aware, someone needs help.

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There is a form to complete and protocol follow-up to assist voters.

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We are also going to formulate a complete procedural steps and work station checklists for each

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area during the lecture day and canvassing, some of which is already outlined in the chart.

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Our board will meet for another work session and vote on recommended changes to the chart

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work.

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Here are a few that are just being considered and will be firmly voted on and then recommendations

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passed on to you for consideration.

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Lengthening the candidate registration date of 30 dates, which is currently.

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This is also being recommended to include the ethics council requirement for the disclosure form that is needed

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to be filled out prior to confirming the candidate or expected candidate.

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We as a board cannot confirm a candidate without a certified disclosure.

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This is new this year.

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Lengthening voter registration deadline to accommodate the absentee process.

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Lengthening absentee application deadline to accommodate the time to mail ballots.

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We realized most of our citizens hand deliver their absentee belts.

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However, because of the shortened mail-in window, we had to...

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We had over a handful of...

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Or just under a handful of belts that were never cast.

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Also, you...

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Just to...

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So people know...

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You know mail moves on weekends any longer.

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It used to be, you know, 24-7 now.

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everything starts on Friday and picks up on Monday, so you lose that time and that's across the board

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federally. Truck Cating Election Day polling hours. In 2022 the hours were from 2 p.m. to 7 p.m.

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perhaps we could consider noon to 8. It is yet to be determined that the

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commissioners followed procedure at the time when the 8-8 was enacted legal

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councils reviewing the current implemented hours to see if it will deem the

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chart.

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We'd like the loosening of the language drain canvassing so that the

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board has discretion to how many members work at each of the tally station to

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expedite the process. That's not a big deal but it's there so that may be in the

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I don't know if that's in the chart or on to double check, so on.

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Removing the right candidate entirely.

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Current timing doesn't allow candidates time to agree

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to a forum and time to plan a forum.

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So the citizenry can make informed decisions

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about their candidate choice.

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The poor believes that to promote fairness and accountability,

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candidates should be running a transparent campaign.

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It was discussed that right within is breed secrecy

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and promotes the stigma of a shadow campaign.

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And the removal of the words right in off the ballot

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and instead the next box were dissent

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whether there is one candidate or multiple candidates.

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This year there were 23 ballots cast

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that were not counted.

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Additionally, we did not catch the word candidate

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after right in on the ballot

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because according to the charter,

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a candidate must be certified

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to be considered for election.

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Therefore, there is no action that needs to be taken

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and the Bogomok count in any way.

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After checking with neighboring counts and municipalities

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it was suggested that we have only one candidate running

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on a pose that we don't hold a formal election.

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This could be determined whether an incumbent or a new candidate.

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This matter with a lot of discussion.

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Some more members felt it necessary for the citizenry

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to have the ability to vote no matter the service.

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And one other aside, consideration,

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the election section of the charter

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in its current final form has stretched through,

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throughout the, may I recommend that it be edited

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to extract the striped throughs,

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to lessen confusion and give us a pathway

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for clear real readability and execution.

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Thank you for your attention.

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Are there any questions?

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Not at this time, I think we'll be taking this up in September or after you finalize your list of recommendations.

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Okay, now I do need to know if would September still give us enough time?

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Should we have charter changes to make the 47th 15th?

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It's 40 days for it to be enacted.

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What's the date that you have to have your plan to tell the county?

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15th.

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December 15th. December 15th. The main thing that we need to, here's the calendar

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Lindsay. If you'd be tight because you're the main thing that we've gone through, we

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already placed. If we decided to change the registration date because that would involve

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Talba County and why don't I spoke to the Talba County election person. She said that the

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And the main thing would be, if we were to change the...

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People, you know, when people register. Right now, it's 30 days prior to our election, and we want to back that up a little bit to allow people to register and to allow

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absentee to take all of the different things that we have to do. Right, the registration impacts the other tail, I understand.

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As long as you introduce on that date, which date?

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So if they came to you in September, you'd have to introduce and have your public hearing

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by October 6th.

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So it has an intense first meeting in September introduced?

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Would that be the first meeting or if they came to work in?

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We're going to do our best to, when we know the 13th, to develop some language, it'll

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it will be a work session, it will be a long one.

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Okay, we ought to have a work session after they have a work session

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and then we'll have something to introduce

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into September.

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Okay. How about that?

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Okay, because what would Holly said is very difficult

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to make charter changes.

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And so she is recommending that we kind of,

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like we did last year, kind of give you all of our recommendations.

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But when you give us all of your recommendations, I think we'll workshop it once or twice, and then we'll, that way it'll, we can come up something for mid-September, the first meeting, I think the first is a Tuesday, so I think the first meeting is a, no, the first

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to be a two-six, but I'll get back to you on that.

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It is the eighth.

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So you'd really, so the eighth of the sixteenth of the...

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It's on the eighth.

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The first meeting is the eighth.

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Yeah, and then if you don't introduce until October 13th, it's too late, because it has

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to be affected.

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You have to adopt it by the 26th, which are meetings that October are the 13th and 27th.

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Is it really by the 13th unless you're not a special meeting?

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Oh, we're going to have a special meeting.

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Yeah, we can have a special meeting.

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I think the most important thing is that we workshop it so that we can thoroughly think

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it through without loading.

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Before you leave, two things.

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Would it be possible without much extra work of any?

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When you guys put your proposals together to identify those provisions that we need to get

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enacted by a date in October versus those that we have more time well when I

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talked to Holly I understand that there's really just one or two that would need

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to be done by the 15th but I understand too that it's gonna take time to get

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through other stuff and we hit we start right away and so hope we're kind of

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waiting around to see if some other things are gonna you know gonna be able to

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change, move dates, move dates.

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The target change has a 40-day waiting period

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and an advertising period and a hearing period.

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So it takes a lot longer than,

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that's why we put so much into the ordinance

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that you had.

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It's easier to change.

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But there are new solidities in it.

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Okay.

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So we need to get more ties from top priority

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and then lower priority items

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when you come up after your work session

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that you can bring it forward.

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So commissioners can start working.

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Okay, the list and know which ones are priority versus.

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And we'll watch for your meetings and attend,

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just so we don't have to go back over the same,

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or at least watch them from home.

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So, but we don't have to go back over the same territory.

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It'll bring us up to speed faster.

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And the other thing I'd like, you just made a comment

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that you need to hit the ground right.

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I'm not sure people understand how soon that is

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is to get the selection done by whatever there's in June.

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What is then?

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Thank you.

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To get to, to really start running the process.

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We, we actually, this past year, because we did so much,

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we ran into a lot of difficulty with the 30 days,

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and then the right hand, I mean, that was really, really tough.

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And even though we only had, you know,

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of one person running and it was really crunched and to get the absentee, the ballot ready

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to send out to absentees. And as I said, the absentee, we didn't have that many

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years, we didn't have any over 80 last year. So it was tough to try to get the absentee

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Certification does so that they could get their application in.

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We could start the application process way ahead of time and just hit the ground running and approve all of those applications for absentee.

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So yes, we start, our first meeting will probably be in February and then March will call out a list and move forward.

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So if nothing changes, then we just, you know, it's tough, especially for the absentee because they can't get their ballots in the time if they may open.

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Got it. All right. Well, further discussion. Thank you very much.

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Just one of the quick questions. Will he possible for you or somebody from your committee to be at the commission meeting when we first have a, our first public discussion amongst the three of us?

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Okay. Thank you. All right. The town managers report, please.

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Thank you. So just a couple of key items from my written report and the missionaries agenda packet.

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I am working with the fire department and the sheriff's office currently regarding a event that they'd like to hold in the town in May of next year.

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So we'll bring forward some additional information on that.

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The utility billing, the live reading system is now live.

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You should have received an email from us if you're not signed up for our email notices.

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Please come into town hall and we'll add you, but this is a system where you can track

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your usage in real time.

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You can set up alerts and you can monitor for leaks and that would be very helpful for

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you, but residents as we have new leaders in place.

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We are distributing mosquito dumps, so commissioners expanded our mosquito prevention program and

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We have those here in Tom Hall. We've distributed about 50 of them so far, at least 50, so if you haven't received one, please come into Tom Hall and pick up your mosquito down.

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Just an announcement that we have several openings on boards and commissions. So if you're willing to give up your time, we greatly appreciate your interest in the ethics commission. We have one opening currently.

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the historic commission to openings and the Board of Elections has one opening.

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So I'm requesting that those submissions, the form is linked in my report and on our

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website are sent to the town by the 21st of August and we greatly appreciate your time.

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An update on the post office, unofficial information, do not have a date yet, but we are getting

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very close so the service is getting very close reopening. I understand it's been two to four weeks.

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I think they're just finalizing some final details so as soon as we have a day we'll get that

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thought to everyone. We have installed a couple of places put in place 533 meters so far so they're

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making really great progress and updating all of our water meters throughout town. We issued a

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I have a notice to proceed on the test well and this is again the town drilling for another test well for redundant water supply so that work will be starting.

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And those are really the key updates from my report and happy to take any questions.

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Commissioner, do you have any questions?

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How many meters to go?

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About 110.

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So another three, four weeks.

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I think there are 643 hookups, and I only know that because we've been looking at the

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comprehensive plan at it.

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So,

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they're close.

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They're working very hard.

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All right.

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We've been moving right along to the consent agenda, which it contains the minutes of public

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work report and the finance report.

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Any questions?

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And if you do not have any questions, do you have a motion to approve?

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I have no questions, and I have no questions.

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Motion to move.

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Second.

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Paul and David?

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All right.

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Excellent.

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Okay.

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We'll move into the comprehensive plan.

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We do have some minor edits that will normally largely work.

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Oh.

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But if you want, how would you do them?

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No, I'll do them.

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So these are, after reviewing the document,

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and some changes that I think that need to be made.

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You'll hear how mighty they are.

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Motion to a men page 80, quote, public water system paragraph 4.

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First sentence, there are 604 three service connections

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that include residential and commercial uses, taking out the word light.

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Motion to a men page 81, public water system paragraph 6.

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strike from the whole paragraph and adding a new paragraph that reads as follows.

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The town of Oxford has invested in new water meters and upgraded utility building software

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to improve the identification and monitoring of potential water loss.

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To further promote water conservation, the commissioners adopted a peer utility rate structure

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beginning in fiscal year 27, with significantly higher rates for high-volume water consumption.

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The town is also working to expand public education and conservation efforts in partnership

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with volunteer-led committees and community organizations, including the community resilience

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committee and the Oxford Garden Club.

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These efforts include promoting the installation and maintenance of native plantings that require less irrigation and support more sustainable water use.

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Through these infrastructure improvements, conservation measures, and community education initiatives, the town expects to have sufficient capacity to accommodate the projected population growth of approximately 19% above the town's current winter population.

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Next motion to amend table on page 14 on page 81 to change 268 gallons per year to 268 gallons per day.

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Motion to amend page 82, public sewer system, third paragraph, third sentence from.

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This plan can handle 1 million gallons per day.

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but actually handles an average of 100,000 gallons per day to the following.

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This plant is permitted for 150,000 gallons per day and uses an average of 120,000 gallons

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per day."

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Motion to men page 84, public sewer system, first paragraph, fourth sentence from.

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The wastewater treatment plant has been meeting the cumulative load requirements with an additional 40% capacity for adding additional loading, changing it to the wastewater treatment plant has been meeting cumulative load requirements.

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Motion to amend table 17 on page 84 to change 253 gallons per year to 253 gallons per day.

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Motion to amend table 18 on page 85 to correct the average annual gallons per day at the

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plant to 150,000 gallons per day per the per day.

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Motion to amend page 85 refuse disposal, third paragraph, first sentence from the town

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One also maintains a recycling center located behind the pumpkin station at the Causeway

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Park to, quote, the town provides recycling services to residents on a weekly basis, end

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quote.

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Motion to amend page 85 and 86 refused disposal, third paragraph, third sentence from in

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addition to household garbage of the forms of solid waste collected by the town public, end

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quote.

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Replace in this section with, in addition to household garbage, other forms of solid waste are collected by the town as budgeted by commissioners on an annual basis.

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Motion to amend age 86, Oxford Post Office, third paragraph, third sentence, two.

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The town of Oxford owns the land and the building on which the post office, etc., adding the words and the building.

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And motion to amend page 89, Oxford Bill be ferryed to delete the third sentence.

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That was a repeat of the second sentence.

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Oh, is there any?

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That's it.

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Any questions?

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We've both been over them.

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Any discussion about the plan and any of these amendments?

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Okay, in that case, I'm going to open it up for public comment.

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And you have to state your name.

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your address gets more clear for the minutes and it needs to be germane to the

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comprehensive plan and the amendments and there's the microphone as and please

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use the microphone for those at home are there any public comments on the

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The company has planned.

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We do, while you're thinking about that, we do want to thank the Planning Committee for this years-long effort with a consultant to do, which was, you know, we would have gotten if the committee had done some slap-gash thing, just a red line version of the plan for 15 years ago. So we are very grateful for the many, many hours they spent doing this. I'm going to assume since there's no hand raises that everybody's note, there's no comment.

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in which case I'll close the comment and close to here and we will go and see if we

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vote on this now or if it's later on in the agenda.

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It is now in your agenda and I think first would be a motion to amend the Comprehensive

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Plan and then a motion to amend.

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Make the motion to amend.

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Second.

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All those in favor?

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a motion to adopt the comprehensive plan as just an ending.

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So move the second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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All right.

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So public hearing on that is closed.

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So we will be moving on to the short-term rental ordinance

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that is being amended.

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You want to take your edits in?

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This small purpose of the amendment seems to be non-controversial and has not gotten many comments.

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The portion of it that's gotten some comments I think are well taken with the comments that is.

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And so I'm going to propose amending three words in it to I think eliminate the issue being.

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the one portion of the amendment was intended to expand the scope of the properties for which a

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property owner could be licensed in the event of a violation.

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What we did through the amendment

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process and what I want to further do today is to limit the scope of that further penalty or

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prohibition. Right now, the second sentence says, any property owner who, and by right

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now, I mean the proposal says, any property owner who rents a dwelling unit as a short

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term rental after receiving notice of the property is unlicensed is barred from obtaining or renewing

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a short term license for any property in Oxford for three years. And then because of the definition

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of property owner to include spouse, child,

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stepchild, parent, et cetera, et cetera.

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It's been pointed out that this prohibition would mean not

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only that the property owner who rents the dwelling

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in violation wouldn't be able to get a license

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for any property in Oxford, but also the property owner's

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brother, sister, grandchild, grandparent, son-in-law, et cetera,

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would not be able to get a short-term license

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for any property in Oxford.

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That wasn't in my original proposal, but that's where we ended up.

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And I think it's overly broad in a mistake.

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And I think we can simplify it and eliminate a lot of the controversy here,

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by simply changing it to any property or any rented dwelling

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as a short-term rental after receiving notice that it's unlicensed,

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is barred from obtaining a renewing a license for that property for three years.

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So the prohibition would only apply to the property for which the license had been obtained

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and violated, or for which the license did not be obtained and therefore they were operating

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in violation of the ordinance.

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So it wouldn't apply to any other property owned by the party whose license is in question

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for violating the short-term rental ordinance.

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The hypothetical that I thought of this morning that caused me to want to make this change

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was, if I have a short-term rental and I'm violating my license for one reason or another,

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It expired, let's say, and I continue to rent it, or advertising even though my license

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has not been renewed.

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And my son was in the other side of town, and he's got a short-term rental property.

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As written, this would bar him from getting a renewal on that license.

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I don't know if that, I don't think that was the original intent, but it's a rather than

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trying to edit this thing on the fly to try and address that somehow.

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Let's just limit this to the property in question so that the property owner who rents the dwelling including the property over

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his family would not be able to renew or obtain a short-term rental license for that property, just that property only for a period of three years.

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That's the only change I would really be strike the word any and replace it with that and strike the words in Oxford.

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So it's a license for that property for three years.

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There's one other provision here that's drawn a little controversy, and I'm not persuaded,

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but I don't think it's terribly important which way we go.

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And that is the bar with respect to the registered agency and agents employed by that agency,

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As currently proposed, an agent who lists or advertises a dwelling unit for short-term rental

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after receiving notice of the property is operating without a license is barred from acting

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as an agent under this chapter for three years, I think that's, frankly, that's what, that's

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basically just a slightly reword inversion of what the organ's already said a year ago.

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what we've really added is this bar also applies to the Registry of

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Agency and any agents employed by the agency. The reason I think that is a

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reasonable bar, a reasonable additional penalty, is that I think it gives

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agencies some motivation and I think it's worthwhile to give them some

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motivation to manage their agents and make sure that their agents are

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are complying with the law and to make sure their agents are working with their clients

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to comply with the law.

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I mean, what we saw, you know, until a year ago was, it was a bit of the wild west we

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had, and many properties dozens at least, they were operating kind of flagrantly in violation

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of the town's ordinance.

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And the registered agents were either involved in those violations or just sort of operating

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kind of without regard to whether they were violations.

456
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:16,580
The change we made last year would put some teeth in that by barring a registered agent

457
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:24,340
involved in advertising short-term rental that was not licensed for a period of three

458
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:24,560
years.

459
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,580
That gives a powerful incentive to the registered agents to make sure that they're making

460
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:34,900
sure that property complies with laws, with property license properly renewed, it's

461
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:40,040
being advertised, listing the license number, it's not rain surgery, I don't think it's

462
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,620
a huge burden on any registered agent, they're getting paid to do the work as a registered

463
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:48,500
agent. I don't think it's too much for the town to ask the registered agents who are being

464
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:55,160
paid as part of this process take steps to make sure that their clients are complying

465
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:03,560
with the law. I don't think the criticism of this provision is particularly valid. But

466
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,080
like I said, that's been the law for a year. And I don't see any reason to revisit that

467
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:15,720
issue. The bar to the registered agency, it obviously extends the teeth of this provision

468
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:21,960
a little bit more. If the other commissioners think that's an overreach, we can just strike

469
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:31,020
that last sentence, I wouldn't object too strongly to that. But the only I

470
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:37,120
proposed to do is, as I said, change those three words in the middle to

471
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,900
for that property instead of for any property and Oxford for that property.

472
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:49,690
I've been thinking about this also and we got a note from the

473
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:54,910
Whatever it was, the mid-Mitch or Board of Real Attainment, it's their government relations

474
00:38:54,910 --> 00:38:55,530
specialist.

475
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:56,350
She's here tonight.

476
00:38:56,590 --> 00:39:04,710
And, you know, keeping the accountability with the person that makes the mistake or makes

477
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:11,840
the, yeah, is violation, I'll put it to that one, I don't know if it's a violation, I think

478
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,400
it's appropriate.

479
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:20,040
And then, you know, the issue of these contractors that work with them as well, that they may

480
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:27,220
not have the organization may not have total, close administrative control over I think

481
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:29,400
also mud is the water a little bit.

482
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:30,560
What do you mean?

483
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:37,160
Well, you have contract coming in, doing something going out, doing something going out, doing

484
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,020
something going out.

485
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:43,860
And then when I say going out, then I'll be working for other firms.

486
00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:51,100
I'm just wondering whether penalizing everyone for that contract is appropriate.

487
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:59,820
So I think at this point, I wouldn't mind seeing something like it stays as you suggest

488
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:11,840
with that agent, and that's where it ends, except if we think about, if there's three

489
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,440
of 4 violations in that organization, or at some number, I don't know what the right

490
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,000
number is.

491
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Two, three, four.

492
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:21,640
Then something has to be done with the organization, hey, you're not training them properly.

493
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:31,320
So you know, that's something that I think we can address to the agency and their process

494
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,780
is to try to fix the problem, that the data is telling us they have a problem.

495
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,740
That's my thought on that.

496
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:46,420
But I think for this, at least right now, making that change, you know, I can see that

497
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:50,280
it would be helpful to make that change.

498
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,200
That's just rightful, I think.

499
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:57,160
In addition to the other change that I proposed.

500
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:58,860
I agree with your changes, yes.

501
00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:01,460
Yeah, with an I-2 serial violations.

502
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,380
They are trained, they are licensed.

503
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:06,440
Yes, they're independent contractors.

504
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,900
that's because the real state agencies don't pay them,

505
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:10,260
they're paid on commission only.

506
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,500
It's a bit of a misnomer, but nonetheless,

507
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,200
they do have a licensing and they do have a fiduciary

508
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,100
responsibility to their clients to make sure

509
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,180
that both they and the clients are following the law.

510
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:27,340
But I think being trained and the training sticks

511
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:30,980
is what the data is telling us, is that what I have?

512
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,640
It's like anything changing behavior.

513
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,860
However, all that being said, I do agree with you for now.

514
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:43,040
I think we make the simple change on for that property, and then we strike the entire

515
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,220
agency for being penalized for now.

516
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,100
If we have a problem with serial violations, we'll definitely come back to it and impose

517
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:50,560
fines.

518
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:57,080
All right.

519
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:59,220
Well, so before we vote on it, this is a hearing.

520
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,700
We're going to open it up for public comment.

521
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,360
Again, it must be germane to this ordinance, not anything else.

522
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,880
I need you to state your name.

523
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,100
and you're dressed even if you don't live in Oxford, Susan.

524
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:18,400
And you get only one chance to have a state-year comment.

525
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:20,260
So would anyone like to stop?

526
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,020
And please use the microphone.

527
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,420
It's actually kind of far away from you,

528
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,380
so we might need to show Ashley, would you mind moving it?

529
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,300
OK, thank you.

530
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:35,820
It's for the benefit of people at home

531
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:36,720
that they can hear you.

532
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,280
Hi, brothers and gentlemen.

533
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:39,540
Oh, good.

534
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:43,580
Hi, I'm Susie Hayward, I'm with the Mitchell Board of Realters.

535
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,220
Thank you for the opportunity to speak again.

536
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:50,580
I hope you had a chance to read my letter.

537
00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:54,520
Tonight I just want to go over a few key items,

538
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,780
just as a reminder of how we feel.

539
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,720
Thank you for reiterating the fact that all those other owners

540
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,620
could be thrown in in an adverse way that wasn't intended.

541
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:17,960
and Lindsay, I appreciate his recommendation, I just like to ask that you review the terminology

542
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:26,060
and how that would apply to owner throughout the whole legislation on the short term rental

543
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:36,420
to make sure that we're kind of changing it in this area and that it won't be picked up in any other areas.

544
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:43,160
So we did to us purposes of clarifying it says for this section so the definition of property owner

545
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,120
And I'm including all those other individuals is only for this particular section. Yes

546
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:54,980
So I'll go on to a second second point

547
00:43:54,980 --> 00:44:00,100
The resident agents should not be penalized for matters that they don't control

548
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:06,400
Under the existing codes of property owner not the resident agent is responsible for

549
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:13,960
licensing, renewals, tax compliance, insurance, advertising, and other STR operations.

550
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:22,800
The resident agents town code rule is limited to being available 24 hours a day and responding

551
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,480
to complaints.

552
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,380
That's all this legislation requires of the resident agent.

553
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:36,180
And that could be all that the owner requires of the resident agent under their contact between

554
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:46,080
to that. So the point that I'm trying to make in my letter is that why should the resident

555
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:56,260
agent is who is only duty is to be in contact? Why are they being held responsible for advertising

556
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:59,760
I see for not getting the renewal of application.

557
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:30,410
So, the third notice should always be sent to the property owner, and my contention in that is that it's the property owner's responsibility. Again, I'm citing the whole ordinance regarding short-term rentals. All the responsibility is on the property owner. Yet, some of the wording says that notice will be sent to the property owner or the resident agent.

558
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:36,570
here again there should be no or the resident agent it should be strictly to

559
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:44,010
the property owner it could be a copy to the resident agent. Finally I asked the

560
00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:50,430
finishers to consider related correlation. Yeah I'm afraid you're your time

561
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:56,610
I said. Oh three minutes. All right well you got my letter. We did get you. I'd be glad

562
00:45:56,610 --> 00:46:07,810
that, again, reiterate the relationship between a salesperson of a license, real estate

563
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:09,630
agent, and their rover.

564
00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:10,370
Thank you.

565
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:14,750
Because I don't think you guys fully understand the relationship in them.

566
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:16,150
Thank you.

567
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:20,890
Would anyone else like to comment on the short-term rental ordinance?

568
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:22,550
Would you come forward, please?

569
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:33,450
I just thought of this when you were going over the side of it.

570
00:46:33,610 --> 00:46:37,550
We rent, as an example, we rent a place, and we don't have a place to start on your rent.

571
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:44,670
We have a managing company that I have a condescending, and it goes all over the place,

572
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:46,990
every big, and all these other places.

573
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:53,150
I don't know how you control that, if there is somebody's in violation, how you control

574
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:54,530
those downstream.

575
00:46:55,590 --> 00:47:00,670
We have a crawling software, Granicus, that we bought, which is crawling the internet.

576
00:47:01,030 --> 00:47:02,690
We bought it what six months ago.

577
00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:03,670
Something like that.

578
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:03,790
Yeah.

579
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:05,330
Because you would know only for this.

580
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:05,510
Yeah.

581
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:05,890
Okay.

582
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:07,510
It's a good question.

583
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:08,330
That's all I was thinking.

584
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:08,870
Okay.

585
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:12,030
Anyone else have any comment on short-term models?

586
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,240
Seeing none, I'm going to close the hearing.

587
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:23,860
We would need to vote on the amendment and then the ordinance.

588
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:26,960
If I could, one thing I would like to clarify,

589
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,060
the penalty here for registered agents isn't

590
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:38,840
any, it doesn't apply to simply any resident agents who has to be on call 24 hours a day.

591
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:45,500
This says any registered agent who lists or advertises a dwelling as a short-term rental

592
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:50,040
after receiving notice to property is operating, et cetera, has that penalty.

593
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,680
It's not everybody who plays a role, it's an agent who lists or advertises.

594
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,940
So I think it is actually quite limited in terms of its scope.

595
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,700
You have a listing contract.

596
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Barbara Ranson, I close public comment.

597
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,720
Did you have your hand up before?

598
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:15,640
No, it's relevant to what the agent said, but I close public, I'm so sorry.

599
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:23,520
So, should we have a motion as amended?

600
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:27,060
Yeah, I've moved that

601
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,940
we adopt the ordinance as amended and again for clarity with the

602
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:45,640
amended being to strike any property in Oxford and replace it with that property, as well

603
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:51,100
I'll ask strike the very last sentence of first paragraph of sections.

604
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:53,220
Second.

605
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,560
All those in favor?

606
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,120
Aye.

607
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Aye.

608
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:58,400
That was the motion to amend.

609
00:48:58,820 --> 00:48:59,960
It was approved as amended.

610
00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:01,140
So did it.

611
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:02,120
We'll move it together.

612
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,860
I'm ready then.

613
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,060
We'll be right along to new business.

614
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:09,820
My glasses.

615
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,360
Commissioners to consider authorizing the commission president to execute a grant.

616
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,820
agreement with the critical area commission and so this is a pretty simple one.

617
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,800
It's a small grant to help us comply with the critical area commission.

618
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,960
Anything that the town manager or anyone else would like to add?

619
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:34,980
The only thing I would like to hear is 23 pages of instructions for $1,000 grant.

620
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,880
I know.

621
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,100
The federal grants have just the same amount of paperwork that's for sure.

622
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,300
Any discussion about this?

623
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:44,380
Yes.

624
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:45,740
No.

625
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,460
Okay.

626
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:48,120
Do I hear a medicine to approve?

627
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:49,220
So moved.

628
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:49,780
Second.

629
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,460
All in favor?

630
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Aye.

631
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:56,160
Commissioners, do you consider awarding a contract for arsenic removal in the town water system

632
00:49:56,590 --> 00:50:03,780
to denure water technologies in the amount of 72,200 from the fiscal year 27 utility fund

633
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:10,460
of water system operations, water capital line item, currently budgeted at 60,000, a future

634
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:15,480
budget and then it will be required. We do want to talk about this because this is a maintenance

635
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:22,300
that hadn't been done in quite a while and is super important. Yes, so the the media is required

636
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:29,360
to remove arsenic from the water supply. There is a schedule where it should be replaced and

637
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:36,340
actually has not been replaced since 2012. So this is an entire need of repair and then we will be

638
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:42,280
planning for this in a capital improvement budget to be replaced. The suggested time

639
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:48,040
period is between two to seven years depending on the media so we would be

640
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:55,580
planning for that and this is definitely a need to take care of. Any Commissioner

641
00:50:55,580 --> 00:51:02,060
discussion? Question or two. Is there a way to measure whether the media has

642
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:06,480
to become saturated. I mean, this occurs to me because theoretically this thing should

643
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:17,200
have been replaced 12 years ago, or maybe nine years ago. But do we know just how oversaturated

644
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,340
this media is at the moment, is there a way to measure it?

645
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:25,220
They have a course conducts a lot of back watching to keep the media running and clear. You can

646
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:31,460
test the media, you can pull the media out and test it to see the levels. So that is

647
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:33,340
something that we will plan to do moving forward

648
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:35,280
to make sure that we're placing it in time.

649
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,380
And they're backwashing it

650
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:39,140
because they haven't replaced it.

651
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,580
Infuse backwashing because of it.

652
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:42,760
Infuse backwashing.

653
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,000
That's right.

654
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,780
With this kind of assistant,

655
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,980
you would normally backwash your team.

656
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Right, that would work.

657
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,780
So is there any, you know, based on the company

658
00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:55,100
we're using and the technology they're using,

659
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,640
the media they're using?

660
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,620
Do we have any, is it's the same two to seven-year

661
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:02,400
replacement schedule, but we think we're on the same media.

662
00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:09,800
With the exception of Sharp's Water Culligan, they, they, it's obviously a lot more.

663
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:18,440
That was, so our proposals were $72,720 at the low bid, $83,125 is the mid-grade bid.

664
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:23,540
And then our high bid is Sharp Water Culligan, which is a commitment to $24,990.

665
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,280
They did specify a different type of media, but there was no

666
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,840
different and replace that schedule, but they can move it in our proposal.

667
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,120
This is an expensive item and we may have to be doing this every three or four, five

668
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:42,400
years.

669
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:49,760
Two to seven, depending on the quality of the media, which budget did this come out?

670
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:51,020
The utility fund?

671
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:51,840
That's what I thought.

672
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,740
Water capital?

673
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Yeah.

674
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:57,380
Any other discussion?

675
00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:58,680
Motion to approve.

676
00:52:59,360 --> 00:52:59,720
So move.

677
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,280
Second.

678
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,020
On paper.

679
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Fine.

680
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:11,180
Okay, on to item three, commissioners to consider authorizing the emergency replacement of a faulty transfer switch control panel at bachelor's point cupping station.

681
00:53:13,260 --> 00:53:20,180
3572 from the FY27 utility fund wastewater systems operation, wastewater capital line.

682
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:27,980
Any discussion about the emergency replacement of the transfer panel?

683
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:28,560
No.

684
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,380
It's a number of years later, we need to do it.

685
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:30,880
That's right.

686
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,740
Norm, do I hear a motion to approve?

687
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,080
So move, second.

688
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:35,900
All in favor.

689
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:36,360
All right.

690
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:41,580
Commissioner, just to consider awarding a contract for yard waste removal services to cousins,

691
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:47,880
property management, for bagged yard waste collection, for a trial of six townwide collections

692
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:55,840
and disposal of materials off site for a total cost of $19,290 dollars from the yard debris removal

693
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,720
line item, currently budget at $39,000, $36,000, $38,000,

694
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,020
fiscal year 27.

695
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,720
Well, let's do some discussion here.

696
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,720
I'd like to end the stand.

697
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,700
What's the schedule of the six?

698
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:13,560
Is it a routine or is it a hard journey?

699
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,740
So you have to come with your back up.

700
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:15,800
Let me start with the summary.

701
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,680
So we've been talking about yard waste,

702
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:20,300
and we can land removal for some time.

703
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,060
We've budgeted, commissioners budgeted

704
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:29,480
for this $140,000 for this service for this fiscal year.

705
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:32,980
And we went out to bid with sealed proposals

706
00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:36,540
for the service to determine if we could contract

707
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:37,280
this service.

708
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:39,440
And the whole purpose of this is to leverage

709
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,120
our public works team so that they can complete

710
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,360
stormwater projects and water and sewer projects.

711
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:51,320
Those projects are extremely expensive to outsource.

712
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:56,340
It was in a close to a million dollars for the water meter replacement.

713
00:54:56,620 --> 00:55:01,940
We have a store water project that they're going to save us at least $200,000 on if they're

714
00:55:01,940 --> 00:55:02,800
getting ready to start.

715
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,100
And so we have to have some capacity for our staff to complete these projects.

716
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:14,200
So the proposals that were received, we asked for all options possible.

717
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,640
We kind of outlined, these are the services we're providing.

718
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:25,500
We looked at other jurisdictions, Oxford is providing more services than any other neighboring town and we're not charging in extra tax for these services

719
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:28,680
So that is important but when we were looking at it

720
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:36,320
We left it open to contractors to kind of come back with ways that they could offer the service they could save as money

721
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:42,420
They could help with standards to help them more efficiently collect material

722
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:47,580
and we received an excellent proposal from Antonio who's here in our of

723
00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:55,300
cousins landscape and so basically we went out to bid for rape to the curb which

724
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:59,420
is what we're doing currently now where people are just loading large piles out

725
00:55:59,420 --> 00:56:05,220
to the curb we asked for a price for a collection we also asked for if there

726
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:07,480
and he's savings with bagging this item.

727
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:10,500
And he's provided an excellent proposal

728
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,920
for bagged materials.

729
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:20,200
So that would basically entail purchasing reusable mesh bags,

730
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:23,600
there are 80 gallon bags that have a handle

731
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,240
that Antonio's team can pick up with an arm off of their truck

732
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:32,500
and load and then return your bags to you.

733
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:42,840
So I'm proposing that we limit it to three bags per collection and I'm suggesting that

734
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,020
we try a six collection trial.

735
00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:48,900
I think that will give Antonio and his team an opportunity to kind of get a sense of

736
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:53,880
what the material and coverage is and get the talent opportunity to leverage our public

737
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,460
work to get these credit projects that we need to get done before the end of the year.

738
00:56:58,620 --> 00:57:02,440
And to answer your question about the schedule, that's to be determined.

739
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,980
So I think we would work with Antonio and set that date of when we'd like to add those.

740
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:12,340
I think what would be important is to get that schedule down so that we can communicate

741
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:14,780
and post-arms and notify residents.

742
00:57:15,580 --> 00:57:19,640
But you would be spending basically half of the money that you have budgeted for the fiscal

743
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,700
year for this service.

744
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:28,560
Yeah, that kind of bothers me because as Mr. Wilcoff said at one of the previous meetings

745
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,740
we do have hurricane season and storm season.

746
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:40,320
I would like to hold one or two pickups out for kind of at our discretion and or use

747
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:47,380
it for a spring cleanup and schedule three or four for this fall, which was from the previous

748
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:53,780
ordinance from about 10 years ago, that's what it was. The leaf and twig pick up was really

749
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:55,160
October, November, December.

750
00:57:58,940 --> 00:58:02,860
I think we need to, you protocol, maybe it's an opportunity

751
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:14,920
to use it. Yes, that's right here. But you know, I, I, the issue with, with this is, if

752
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:22,460
If there's too much time in between, there's too much stuff to do, pick up, and it starts

753
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:30,520
becoming a problem with my mind, for people to be residents to move the stuff, because

754
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:37,640
you don't want it there until it's going to be picked up, and it becomes a problem for

755
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,800
the pick up because they're picking up too much stuff, and if we limit them to three bags,

756
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,500
that may not be enough for if there's a long interval between pickups?

757
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,360
Well I was also concerned about the variability over the course of the year.

758
00:58:53,420 --> 00:59:00,060
Like right now the I guess what's being picked up are you know when we had high winds

759
00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:03,380
and there's a bunch of them in the limbs so you got some limbs out there some people put

760
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:07,800
their grass clippings out and that's and then they you know trim your shrubs or whatever

761
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,780
you've got back kind of stuff, but once we roll into November, you've got an order of magnitude

762
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:23,240
more stuff out by the curb because of leaf collection. So, you know, a flat fee, it might

763
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:29,960
work just fine for August, September, and October, and then all of a sudden we hit November,

764
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:37,940
and, like Norm said, three bags doesn't hold all the leaves in between pickups and their

765
00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:42,780
time all of a sudden it grows exponentially because now everybody's got three bags as

766
00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:48,360
opposed to many homes in August and September when we had them maybe one bag of yard

767
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,840
clippings every two weeks.

768
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Do we have, maybe this is asking for something we just don't have, it would be nice to have

769
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,040
some metric for based on

770
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:29,980
I don't know how to, I mean, the work proposal was an hourly rate. So, okay, well, it's an hourly rate, it's going to vary, you know, by the time of year. This one is a nice flat fee, and presumably there's some significant efficiency gained by the government.

771
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:36,020
the bags that enables it to be more efficient for them, cheaper for us, that's all good.

772
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:43,260
But what does this look like for them in November when everybody's making huge piles of leaves

773
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:43,680
out there?

774
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,320
I think the first challenge is that we have to get a hand wall on the abuse.

775
01:00:49,340 --> 01:00:54,300
It's difficult to answer your question because I believe about 50% of it is some contractor

776
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:54,700
debris.

777
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:55,660
Really?

778
01:00:55,660 --> 01:01:02,740
50% of what's currently up until last month is going to be so.

779
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,400
Just based on survey responses, right?

780
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:13,720
Okay, we're not going to talk about it.

781
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:24,020
I think the discussion is how to build a sustainable program that we can offer to residents in some capacity

782
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,080
and still complete these priority projects that we have to get done.

783
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,860
And so we have to have parameters.

784
01:01:33,020 --> 01:01:35,740
It can't just be an endless amount of material.

785
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:41,440
We can't have people on the streets sweeping out huge piles of debris

786
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:43,780
with a small team that we have.

787
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:52,020
It's just not possible unless we contract it and employ a refugee fee.

788
01:01:52,020 --> 01:02:14,200
I would rather wait to do that after we get some more data back, and we can employ these, you know, five or six services this fall and actively work with the contractor and maybe some citizens to unhonestly identify if there is contractor abuse, and we can find the contractors.

789
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:17,880
We'd have to redo the ordinance to do that.

790
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:24,080
I mean, I suppose sort of a solution to the contractor is you as this three-bag

791
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:30,300
limit. You know, if you've only got three bags and you're trimming all the

792
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:34,240
trubbery and trimming your trees, you're going to fill those three bags up and

793
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,420
then you're going to have to tell you what to say. Yeah, the other big job that's going to be more than that.

794
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:38,700
Yeah. Yeah.

795
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:46,160
You know, I've been viewing this trial as a trial. Let's see how this works.

796
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:50,420
And that's why I'm asking, what's the time frame on this?

797
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,420
If we say, we were picking up relief from Lynn's what, once a month?

798
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:59,780
Help me out.

799
01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:02,560
Every time I see my friends.

800
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,400
So what happens if we cut back for once a month, can we deal with that?

801
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,200
And what impact would that have on us?

802
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:23,820
I don't see the six in my mind, and really reinforced by what you're saying.

803
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:30,320
I don't see my mind as a six going lasting as to the end of the year, including storms.

804
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,440
It's not meant to.

805
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:31,980
No.

806
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:35,660
The challenge is that we have a set amount in the budget.

807
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,020
And so, six collections spend half of your funds.

808
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:44,760
So, you have nothing left for the spring and for the summer.

809
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:46,180
So, you have nothing left for the summer.

810
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:50,720
This doesn't even get us to believe season.

811
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:52,820
No, well, it depends.

812
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,780
If you started it in October,

813
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,360
which would give you enough time to notify residents,

814
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:02,660
you started it in October.

815
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,920
Maybe you did one pickup in September,

816
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,980
one pickup in mid-October,

817
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:13,980
then you go to two pickups December and November and that gets you to six.

818
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,820
So that's where

819
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:24,120
we need to tinker with with the calendar. Can I just another logistical question? I went

820
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:31,460
around before Will did his work. Thank you again for going around town and picking all that stuff up,

821
01:04:31,460 --> 01:04:36,780
but I went around just I was curious. You know, we had some wind with some trees even fell down

822
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,720
And I was curious to see what people would put out.

823
01:04:41,380 --> 01:04:45,620
And in many instances, it was literally just my handful,

824
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,380
like this, when I thought, really,

825
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,880
somebody's taken the time to carry that out to the street.

826
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,520
But then in other instances, a number of homes on

827
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,300
Lawrence, South and North, there were sections of limbs

828
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:01,300
that were maybe two-thirds of the length of this table.

829
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:03,360
Those aren't going to fit in one of these bags.

830
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,580
Well, there are supposed to be much shorter

831
01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:10,640
that is five five ordinance are supposed to be less than four feet and less than three

832
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:10,960
inches.

833
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:12,940
Four feet isn't going to fit in the better view, right?

834
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,280
But so what do we, I mean, the people are doing that now, they haven't been doing that

835
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:17,880
up till now.

836
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,500
Well, and that's one of the challenges.

837
01:05:19,780 --> 01:05:24,520
It's not just, we also have to save money, but in order to do that, we need to get the

838
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,260
word out and we need to change behaviors.

839
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:34,040
But what, I mean, what are we going to do if we proceed along this line and somebody

840
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:39,220
We could sell one of these piles of limbs that are, you know, five feet long.

841
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:42,100
Are we just going to drive by and say, no, we're not getting that?

842
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:47,400
We have to have standards of a program, and unfortunately, it's going to have to be

843
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,060
a property maintenance response.

844
01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:56,100
If we can't collect it because it has not reached the measures of the program that we can

845
01:05:56,100 --> 01:06:01,080
displace offer, then it would be a property maintenance standard because they would have

846
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:01,580
to remove it.

847
01:06:01,580 --> 01:06:06,440
I mean, I will say in response to that, that everybody has another option.

848
01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:12,020
When you've got that much yard waste because you've done your spring trimming and you've

849
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:14,880
just got more, they're going to fit in the three bags or you've got rims that are just

850
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,900
too big to need to standard.

851
01:06:17,660 --> 01:06:22,020
You can hire somebody, there's a lot of people out there who do this and you write them

852
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:23,920
a check and they'll tow it away for you.

853
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:33,740
And I don't think it's unreasonable for the taxpayers to set a limit of the amount of yard

854
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:40,120
refuse stated broadly that the town is prepared to pay to pick up anything above and beyond

855
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,820
that is on the home floor.

856
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:49,440
Well, and that I think helps with the enforcement issue because if you know there are not a lot

857
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,860
of people who have the wherewithal to, I mean, I've seen stuff as big as this table out

858
01:06:54,860 --> 01:06:59,760
by meeting that, you know, they claim they cut themselves, and it would take several

859
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,520
days to do that all day, so it's unlikely.

860
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:08,760
We can work with the tentative calendar now.

861
01:07:09,340 --> 01:07:16,740
We can go ahead and do a workshop meeting, but that is my suggestion that we do pick up

862
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:24,140
September, pick up in October, and then we increase it, either late October, have

863
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:32,520
two in November, one in December, based upon some input. That would give you your

864
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,620
six, and we would have that data going forward for the spring.

865
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:42,420
And if we have storm damage and things like that nature, that to me is something we're

866
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:44,480
You just have to cover an addition that's emergency.

867
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,100
And to be clear, this three-bag limit,

868
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:51,680
this isn't three bags for you and your contractor, Phil.

869
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,900
This is three bags if the homeowner is doing it himself

870
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:55,580
or herself.

871
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:56,080
That's right.

872
01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:58,140
So I have a question about bags.

873
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:58,880
Who buys bags?

874
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,120
Me and your mom.

875
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:02,420
And they cost them.

876
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,300
$25 for a pack of two.

877
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,520
And they're reusable, 80 gallon bags.

878
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:13,960
Yes. The paper ones are not as expensive, but they also are prone to damage.

879
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,220
Well, and with a challenge for Antonio to kick off, because then you have to separate

880
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:25,160
those at the landfill. So the reusable ones can be dumped and then returned to you.

881
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,100
All right, so we're going to open this up for public comment. I see Barbara jumping up and

882
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:33,140
down in the back. So come on up, Barbara.

883
01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:38,540
You guys have useful suggestions. You have

884
01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:41,480
three minutes. State your name and your address.

885
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,420
Our remains in 206E strand.

886
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,820
When you're putting together your calendar,

887
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,560
I would like you to remember that typically,

888
01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:53,180
live Christmas trees will take that as part of that process.

889
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,860
Exactly, just most of that out there.

890
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,080
Thank you for that reminder.

891
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:57,840
Thank you.

892
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,300
Art, please.

893
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,360
We can't hear you back at all.

894
01:09:02,980 --> 01:09:03,900
Oh, I'm so sorry.

895
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,680
I'll speak louder.

896
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:11,900
and when people come to speak to you, they have their backs to us, and we can't hear what.

897
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:17,540
Oh, she reminded about Christmas trees are part of the traditional December pick-up.

898
01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:24,320
And art, I mean, Stuart, feel free to say you can't hear, and I will repeat what they say.

899
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,540
That would be the only callout y'all are allowed, okay?

900
01:09:32,230 --> 01:09:32,610
You're up.

901
01:09:32,770 --> 01:09:34,410
If you can't hear me, it's something wrong.

902
01:09:35,070 --> 01:09:35,870
Okay, I agree.

903
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:45,670
I went on to the website for St. Michael's, they pick up, I went on to the website for track

904
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:49,830
with me in the town, they pick up, on the website for Cambridge, they pick up.

905
01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:53,730
So I don't know what you're talking about, honestly, I'm going to be saying that we do

906
01:09:53,730 --> 01:09:59,990
more than they do, because they do trash, they do recycle, they do leave and leave, that's

907
01:09:59,990 --> 01:10:00,370
one thing.

908
01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:14,730
Second, if I miss one week of trying to pick up leaves on my property and I have one tree in front of my house that I am surrounded by trees around me, I can't keep up.

909
01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:25,690
I cannot possibly keep up. I have from the past two months right now, I can tell you that I will fill up at least one of those 80 gallon.

910
01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:29,430
And I didn't even do anything big.

911
01:10:29,890 --> 01:10:36,130
I just mowed lawns and picked up some debris that took place from the storms.

912
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:38,130
I could do that now with a little.

913
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:40,690
So three bag women, I don't understand.

914
01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:42,570
A three bag women.

915
01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:47,510
If I put out bags and kept it coming along and he's writing pranks and picking it up,

916
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:48,310
does it matter?

917
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:48,510
Does it matter?

918
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:49,390
Does it matter?

919
01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:51,430
Does it matter if he's picking up a tent?

920
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:52,830
Why doesn't it matter?

921
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:56,530
he's picking up and moving and dumping and dumping them out, okay?

922
01:10:57,170 --> 01:11:00,950
The other thing that I'm sorry, I'm trying to be quick.

923
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:07,990
The other thing that's going on is, I like to understand, I spoke to Antonio last night,

924
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:12,330
but so the agenda item, actually, I was wondering why I wanted you to come here today, okay?

925
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:19,210
So the agenda item, and I spoke to Antonio about what he thinks he's being asked to do.

926
01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:22,810
And I just heard what you think he's being asked to do.

927
01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:24,330
You do need to talk.

928
01:11:25,570 --> 01:11:28,370
Because you're not talking the same thing.

929
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:31,810
The bads that I'm trying to say,

930
01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:32,870
I need to say, what?

931
01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:34,790
You need to tell me at 130 seconds.

932
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:35,410
Downs?

933
01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:36,150
Bad?

934
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:36,970
Okay.

935
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:37,670
You're talking to me.

936
01:11:38,170 --> 01:11:39,490
I told you the following thing is,

937
01:11:39,970 --> 01:11:42,310
you need to talk to figure out if you're talking

938
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:44,850
about the same thing, doing it the same way.

939
01:11:45,230 --> 01:11:45,390
Okay.

940
01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:52,650
In the fall, if I put a tarp out, and you want to find out what the public works

941
01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:58,210
does, that's because it works when they pick up my house in November and December.

942
01:11:59,070 --> 01:12:04,430
I have a tarp that covers my two tarps, three tarps that covers my entire front lawn.

943
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:11,270
And I have to do that every week, throughout the week, and I don't have a lot of trees,

944
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:12,530
I said, we're going to be three around.

945
01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:13,930
That's following on.

946
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:15,570
That's it.

947
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:16,430
Thank you.

948
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:18,010
Can I confirm that?

949
01:12:18,150 --> 01:12:19,970
Antonio and I have had several conversations

950
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:20,690
about the services.

951
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:21,830
And he has a full number of students.

952
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:22,330
Thank you.

953
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:23,430
He doesn't.

954
01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:24,870
You could have spoken last night.

955
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:25,170
Okay.

956
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:26,970
I just spoke to him last night.

957
01:12:27,090 --> 01:12:27,190
Thank you.

958
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:29,190
Thank you.

959
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:30,190
Debi Kureliki.

960
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,500
My name is Debi Kureliki.

961
01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:38,200
I know that one hundred of Benoni Street

962
01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:43,460
and I am the sole person in charge of everything.

963
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:44,940
I don't have a long service.

964
01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:50,640
I don't have anyone to pick up my roll stuff now.

965
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,780
When I cut my grass, it goes in a round bag,

966
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,320
and I have been taking it to our other house

967
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,360
to the naturals, putting it into my car,

968
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,500
lifting it and taking it and putting it,

969
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:11,040
and I'm 77, okay, and I think that we had this service.

970
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,940
Because I would much prefer that you cut the service in half or whatever in order for

971
01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:20,520
us to continue to put our what we've been doing.

972
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:31,320
And I think many people can afford to buy bags, I put everything in brown bags or double

973
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,620
bag brown bags.

974
01:13:33,220 --> 01:13:33,920
I think we can afford.

975
01:13:34,220 --> 01:13:37,520
People that can afford a long care person, that's great.

976
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:44,920
maybe we have the town give us a list of people that we can pay you say hey let's

977
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,800
write a check well you could do that but it gets expensive if you have things

978
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:56,340
every week so I'm just I'm just upset about all of it sorry

979
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:56,460
All right.

980
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:00,140
Anyone else?

981
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:02,680
Russ Gray?

982
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,380
Actually, did you stop the time?

983
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:14,110
Great for us in a cell in Los Angeles.

984
01:14:15,050 --> 01:14:20,950
First of all, I've never seen a solution

985
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:22,750
developed for a planning effect.

986
01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:26,110
New York kind of a solution before a full-fledged plan is

987
01:14:26,110 --> 01:14:26,450
in effect.

988
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:32,930
We don't know how many times during the rest of the year

989
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:37,350
it's going to be a day of asking. Now there's a message. How many times a year do you pick

990
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:43,130
up a service going to be? It's limited to six straight over by time. Wouldn't it be better

991
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:49,170
if you had a plan in terms of the discussion, the work session, whatever, to decide exactly

992
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:54,750
what the plan would be? And then you could then allocate what expenses, what the number, pick

993
01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:59,010
up all the issues that we're talking about right now. But a lot of the comments are not

994
01:14:59,010 --> 01:14:59,630
I'm really late.

995
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:07,570
And he had way in terms of what's going on right here. I think, as I talked about, he talked about three areas.

996
01:15:12,740 --> 01:15:23,920
The other key point is the fact that, when the first time, and the meeting tonight, was talking about abuse, abuse, and enforcement of abuse.

997
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:33,200
This is, I've heard, talking about abuse, enforcement, and

998
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,300
And effectively speaking, let's have some discipline,

999
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:38,100
things like this in terms of this.

1000
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:39,440
Come on.

1001
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:43,940
Let's get a solution based on what the plan is for that.

1002
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:45,020
So we should write there.

1003
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,000
One of the things mentioned in terms of the proposal,

1004
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:51,860
was talking about eastern.

1005
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,520
I met with eastern town clerk this morning.

1006
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:55,340
I was there.

1007
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,840
And I got to tell you something.

1008
01:15:58,820 --> 01:16:00,680
Their plan differs a little bit,

1009
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:01,920
and we'll talk about here.

1010
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:05,940
November through January leaves are picked up weekly with the leafback.

1011
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:11,380
February through October leaves another long debris must be bagged and the resident needs to be picked up.

1012
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,780
Call the office and it will be picked up on their regular weekly trash pickup day.

1013
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,160
Bulk removed call the office for a pickup and we will be picked up on the next trash removal day.

1014
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:27,440
Advanced notice, no additional costs for any of the debris pickups, long leaf, small ones and bulk.

1015
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,520
they do not pick up concrete.

1016
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:36,440
Allocated costs for the total trash services are 325750 per year,

1017
01:16:36,580 --> 01:16:37,960
which is what Holly said right there.

1018
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,280
That's included in the tax base.

1019
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:41,920
That is not a separate charge.

1020
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:45,420
That has not something that's been allocated per person

1021
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:46,020
for household.

1022
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,860
So that is there.

1023
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:52,200
And these are weekly services, purring the weekly services.

1024
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,420
That's better than twice a month, which is what we have.

1025
01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:58,540
So I don't understand what we're talking about, actually.

1026
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:08,620
Second, the whole idea of, I believe we look at other jurisdictions, and I'll just ask,

1027
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,260
how I'd even call it, but the figure of schedule wasn't just the beach.

1028
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:14,940
I did.

1029
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,460
What was it?

1030
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:17,960
Thank you, thank you.

1031
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:19,740
Thank you.

1032
01:17:20,460 --> 01:17:21,240
Thank you.

1033
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:23,180
Wow.

1034
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,020
Wow.

1035
01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:26,280
I don't think.

1036
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,320
We can find out the Chesapeake Beach, but truthfully,

1037
01:17:29,420 --> 01:17:31,400
you don't have a chance to respond to this.

1038
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,000
It doesn't matter what the pickup is in other towns.

1039
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:38,700
We have to have the public works complete the projects

1040
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:40,260
before the end of the year.

1041
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,100
We need to take $39,000 and do the most with it.

1042
01:17:45,420 --> 01:17:46,640
That is the plan.

1043
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,980
If you have a better plan, write another letter

1044
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:52,720
with $39,000 to spend.

1045
01:17:52,720 --> 01:18:00,620
We take in, we take in a million one in property taxes and $290,000 in income tax.

1046
01:18:00,620 --> 01:18:01,860
That's $15.50.

1047
01:18:02,380 --> 01:18:08,800
That runs this office, permitting public safety, the roads, the streets, and the pick-up.

1048
01:18:09,220 --> 01:18:10,380
It's not a lot of money.

1049
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:11,500
It's not.

1050
01:18:12,740 --> 01:18:14,020
Your time is up.

1051
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:15,900
So we do it in terms of policy.

1052
01:18:17,940 --> 01:18:19,420
I would love to hear from you.

1053
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:20,900
I hear a lot of letters from you.

1054
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:21,880
I would love to hear it.

1055
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:31,150
Is there anyone else that would like to weigh in about, does any would have a plan about

1056
01:18:31,150 --> 01:18:31,470
war?

1057
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:34,300
Come on up.

1058
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:34,760
There you go.

1059
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:35,240
Come on.

1060
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:49,580
It's actually informed what is here.

1061
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:51,360
That's true.

1062
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:51,840
You don't.

1063
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:52,580
I

1064
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:05,480
understand that only that $40,000 has been allocated

1065
01:19:06,020 --> 01:19:07,980
for a dark waste removal.

1066
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:13,280
And that's for 12 months, is that all right?

1067
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,940
And so I

1068
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:21,840
guess what I'm trying to get my head around

1069
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,000
is that we've lived here four years, and I understand

1070
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,920
it's been going on for a lot longer. The yard picks up, pick up. I've been twice a month

1071
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:41,240
every month. So that's 24 pickups. And what we're talking about now in order to only spend

1072
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:51,020
40,000 a year is one pick up a month then or not pick up every month and maybe like in December

1073
01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:53,260
when a lot of the leaves do fall,

1074
01:19:53,420 --> 01:19:56,780
that hang the trees that hang onto the leaves longer,

1075
01:19:56,940 --> 01:19:57,960
there would be two pickups.

1076
01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:04,340
But what we're considering is really a total of 12 pickups

1077
01:20:04,340 --> 01:20:11,800
a year based on the contract proposal.

1078
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:14,480
That's way 40,000 would cover.

1079
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:15,740
Yes, that right?

1080
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:16,480
Okay.

1081
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:18,980
Okay, I'm

1082
01:20:21,220 --> 01:20:26,540
actually, it's my husband who does the yard work on our property, but I'm speaking

1083
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:28,660
because I know what's involved.

1084
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:41,520
We have a nice eye shark with small trees and shrubs, and it's the weaning, it's the

1085
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:47,100
pruning of small trees and lowline holly branches.

1086
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:58,900
It's actually a lot of the leaves are used for mulch, but then excess ones have to be cleaned up.

1087
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:06,140
And we don't even bag our cut grass.

1088
01:21:07,220 --> 01:21:15,440
So anyway, every single two-week pickup, we have at least two full containers.

1089
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:33,120
Right now, just with July and the first 11 days of August, we have five filled containers.

1090
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:48,640
and I just feel like we're going from 24 thickups to 12 thickups and then possibly limiting those 12 thickups.

1091
01:21:49,460 --> 01:21:58,080
I feel there must be a way to have the service for the people just to take care of their properties so that the town looks nice.

1092
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:03,880
there is a way, you're absolutely right, and that would be to charge the residents in additional

1093
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:09,800
care. And we've been trying to avoid that and use the budget as we have it to respect

1094
01:22:10,820 --> 01:22:18,120
the homeowners, but it may come to that Karen. We don't have it in the budget, we can't do the maintenance on the stormwater drains.

1095
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:26,620
The guys have got to be put to work on the stormwater projects, and there's no way for us to pay for those.

1096
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:30,440
mean this water meter project saved us $900,000

1097
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:33,000
because they did it.

1098
01:22:33,860 --> 01:22:35,480
And that's what we need them on.

1099
01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:38,480
We need them on the thing on Toman and Stuart wrote a nice

1100
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,080
letter considering how flooded he was.

1101
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,440
But we need more stormwater projects and we need to

1102
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:47,940
spend our resources and staff time on that.

1103
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:51,560
And so to go to outside contractors we may have to

1104
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,760
explore charging for it as they do in other townships.

1105
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,780
And it doesn't matter what other towns do because we have the fiscal reality we have.

1106
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:03,290
Thank you for your comments, though.

1107
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:05,470
I do appreciate your polite comments.

1108
01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:09,350
It looks like Bob, hi, Brian.

1109
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:09,730
Come on.

1110
01:23:10,210 --> 01:23:10,490
One,

1111
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:17,190
two, first three.

1112
01:23:18,450 --> 01:23:19,550
I hear you.

1113
01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:28,130
I would love to hear more about what the actual labor was to the guys at the board of workers.

1114
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:36,350
I know they work very hard, but nobody's disappointed by how many hours that takes.

1115
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:41,830
If it's twice a month, it was so many hours, there's a two or three days, it takes them

1116
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:49,950
to do that one project, is it one day, and frankly I'd like to hear from Michael, who runs

1117
01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:50,430
the operation.

1118
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:56,510
What the burden is to him, and how many hours he sees, I'm sure that's going to be very

1119
01:23:57,470 --> 01:24:07,430
But we talk about these things. I'd like to hear from the real source of what really takes these guys to do. I have a great appreciation. They're wonderful. I'll pick up.

1120
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:20,290
But to me, this is speculation of what we can and can't do. Help us understand what the real work is for these boards and the kind of hours that takes away from these projects.

1121
01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:27,590
I calculated, and I'll get the exact figures, if it's two to three or four days of

1122
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:33,010
that I did a variable for six months until the end of the year, it was 800 hours.

1123
01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:39,550
And we needed those to have the, and I'll find the email, I think it sent it to the commissioners,

1124
01:24:40,030 --> 01:24:45,870
but it was 800 man hours, so it takes the entire guys two and a half to three days a month,

1125
01:24:46,030 --> 01:24:47,730
and that came out to 800 hours.

1126
01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:52,670
Yes, all the information is informed by public works and by the public works team.

1127
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:58,470
Yeah, and frankly, I'd like to hear Michael to say, this is what we have to go through.

1128
01:24:58,590 --> 01:24:59,450
This is the key today.

1129
01:24:59,650 --> 01:25:00,450
What it does to us.

1130
01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:03,010
How would anyone taxes on achieving our objectives?

1131
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:06,510
You know, I'm hearing and then I don't want to hear any more.

1132
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:11,950
I'm just expressing my opinion and it's up to you to make your decision.

1133
01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:14,570
But these are a little bit more.

1134
01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:22,960
I actually think that there was an article posted with Wilcolez who did this himself,

1135
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:28,720
his family, did this collection and it was in great detail about the thorns, the two

1136
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,940
inch thorns that are on these branches.

1137
01:25:31,180 --> 01:25:35,360
I mean we want to hear the details of what these guys go through to take this material up.

1138
01:25:35,860 --> 01:25:43,060
This is an amazing account of a citizen who did it himself and is telling you exactly what

1139
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:43,480
they're expecting.

1140
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:45,760
It's a poison ivy that thorns the rakey.

1141
01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:48,220
But they have a froth, they break and they have a froth,

1142
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,120
what do they live up?

1143
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:52,240
And I try and bundle the logo up to do what they expect.

1144
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,620
And it's a little frustrating, Miss.

1145
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,140
I just got, I have my second free go down.

1146
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,140
I've already paid over $4,000 for what I'm,

1147
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,080
and I got another one coming out.

1148
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:04,640
But if I have loose twigs later out,

1149
01:26:04,820 --> 01:26:06,500
I can't put them out, because my space

1150
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:09,640
where I store stuff is, for yard waste, is already full.

1151
01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:16,280
And we're not done with summer storms, but we're not, that's why I wanted to hold one in advance possible.

1152
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,280
Thank you, Bob. Mr. Wilcox and then Margaret in the back.

1153
01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:45,470
Jim Wilcox, 307 North Morse. I'll make a suggestion that it's not going to make everybody happy, but I'm sure that we're going to be happy one way or another.

1154
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:51,810
And I know the town often said something around suggesting that a lot of

1155
01:26:51,810 --> 01:26:59,130
called routine and yard waste, like these and such, should just be shredded and

1156
01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,030
treated as mulch, as well as grass clippings.

1157
01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:06,530
Now I think not everyone's got like that because it may not seem terribly aesthetic,

1158
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:11,230
but it's probably useful in terms of the environment and health,

1159
01:27:11,230 --> 01:27:14,090
in terms of the reservoir of the center,

1160
01:27:14,410 --> 01:27:16,290
and the eliminate a lot of the volume.

1161
01:27:16,690 --> 01:27:20,090
Then what we have is a problem with the storms and the twigs

1162
01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:21,090
and whatever.

1163
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:23,470
I imagine that that's a smaller volume

1164
01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:26,970
if we could at least eliminate out of the bag

1165
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:31,530
and take away, you know, grass clippings leaves the center,

1166
01:27:31,670 --> 01:27:34,010
which frankly is a healthy matter.

1167
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:37,390
Should be shredded up anyway, just left on the ground.

1168
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:38,590
Thank you.

1169
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:45,090
It does, or we're, or we're subsided, as much.

1170
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,480
You could state your name and your address please.

1171
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,420
Long enough seconds and some more.

1172
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:05,400
My suggestion would be to maybe have the guys just do it once a month.

1173
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:15,340
And I'm sure that Michael and his crew can identify which properties are putting out waste from their contractors.

1174
01:28:15,340 --> 01:28:23,300
I mean, you know, I just know they met that, so perhaps we could follow up with that and

1175
01:28:23,300 --> 01:28:31,380
maybe find these people, but it seems like just taking away from their other duties one

1176
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:37,260
day a month would not be that much of a burden on your projects.

1177
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,540
Thank you, that's not suggesting.

1178
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:41,760
Thank you.

1179
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,000
Any other comments?

1180
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,140
Mickey Tyrone?

1181
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:46,900
Thank you.

1182
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,240
I don't have to go ahead and lie to myself.

1183
01:28:49,900 --> 01:28:52,040
Oh, yes, you do, and state your address, please.

1184
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,900
So I'll go to the third street.

1185
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,940
My concern was, generally, take care of our house.

1186
01:28:59,060 --> 01:29:02,500
We take care of the yard and the priors, just privately.

1187
01:29:03,260 --> 01:29:06,560
But listening to the issues, I've

1188
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,300
seem to have gone from really good service by the time

1189
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:18,400
zero. And I don't see where perhaps you can explain how I mean to explain where at least during the

1190
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:27,140
very height of the season of foliage coming down, that maybe once more to see that what I've

1191
01:29:27,140 --> 01:29:34,380
always been impressed with was the equipment that the town has and the way that the staff runs the

1192
01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:39,040
equipment pretty efficiently. They come in large amounts of leaves and

1193
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:43,400
And they do a really good job when they do it fast.

1194
01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:55,190
My sense is that somehow we could squeeze in one, four, two, or three tours by the town

1195
01:29:55,190 --> 01:29:59,650
staff with using their equipment for the basic, I work with Antonin.

1196
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,160
And he does a great job. I'm not sure where equipment he has to handle those kind of large, I know we have the town has the truck to the use of the dump truck. And the other equipment that have lifted up, lifted up, things, things, heavy things. And it's really impressive. Seems to me, we can squeeze in a couple of those, you know, planned events to pick up large amounts of waste,

1197
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:40,780
especially during the time of the year where esteemed the most without crippling the effort to do the other of the main projects, which are, you know, I understand really important.

1198
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:53,320
To me, it seems like a couple with a few visits from the town staff with their equipment and Antonio working as well, something really good could come up.

1199
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:56,100
I appreciate your positive comment.

1200
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:58,140
Can I say something?

1201
01:30:58,720 --> 01:30:59,980
If there are no more comments?

1202
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:01,020
Are there no comments?

1203
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:02,280
You guys?

1204
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:03,580
Yeah, there are.

1205
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,680
Yeah, we'll let you guys comment that.

1206
01:31:07,780 --> 01:31:08,600
Of course.

1207
01:31:12,420 --> 01:31:14,100
We'll call it one of six stubborn.

1208
01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:19,300
This is the comments I only hear the last, just because of that.

1209
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,340
I can't believe that when this is a big picture here,

1210
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,680
we should all support our family, our priorities,

1211
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,660
our right now supporting public works,

1212
01:31:27,660 --> 01:31:30,560
in your award years as a fellow, working in our school,

1213
01:31:30,700 --> 01:31:33,960
more into store management, our calculus,

1214
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,000
and we've complained about picking up leaves and sticks.

1215
01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:42,340
I think a good compromise is once a month,

1216
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:46,100
just to kind of see how things play out and then go from there.

1217
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,680
I think if you can provide that service

1218
01:31:51,420 --> 01:31:53,620
and our citizens of the town,

1219
01:31:53,620 --> 01:31:56,960
take a little responsibility and pay for it to be additional pickers.

1220
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,220
So if you want to do that much cleaner, then pay for it.

1221
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,040
I think you can take that much individual responsibility

1222
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:04,920
as I want.

1223
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,560
The issue of the once a month is going to be

1224
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,160
enforced because if there's a pickup once a month,

1225
01:32:14,940 --> 01:32:17,800
from that date to the next month, people will just

1226
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,860
put stuff out on the street, they'll

1227
01:32:19,860 --> 01:32:21,680
circle along all month in a pile.

1228
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,140
I don't know if you noticed, and I'm not

1229
01:32:24,140 --> 01:32:29,960
to my own here, but the talent is really clean right now. And the two-month pause is just

1230
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:36,340
awesome to walk through the town and see how clean it looks. I see it. I get out of my bike

1231
01:32:36,340 --> 01:32:41,100
every night. I pick up trash every other day, pick up large stakes, I drag them to piles,

1232
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:46,260
put them in my truck. I have all my sleeves and do what I need to do this is. And I think

1233
01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:52,200
you all need to do that, especially right now. I don't want to keep pause it for the rest

1234
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,560
in here so we can get some of these projects done.

1235
01:32:55,260 --> 01:32:58,760
I'll try to learn about those where I'm in and things

1236
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,100
like that in the meters.

1237
01:33:00,340 --> 01:33:01,200
It should be installed.

1238
01:33:01,420 --> 01:33:02,180
This should be our part.

1239
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,900
And we should all pull together and support that.

1240
01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:07,480
Not pick up my leaves and my sticks.

1241
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,900
I can tell you that it's just hard to leave it.

1242
01:33:09,940 --> 01:33:10,660
It even comes out.

1243
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:18,020
Those are my new ones.

1244
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:22,940
This is what I noticed when I did my pick up the stuff

1245
01:33:22,940 --> 01:33:23,460
that's at it.

1246
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:24,900
I think it will help to develop it.

1247
01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:27,260
It makes our town a little trashy.

1248
01:33:28,220 --> 01:33:30,640
If you just really take a notice and look outside,

1249
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:31,960
you know when you are in the defense,

1250
01:33:32,180 --> 01:33:34,640
when you drive through town, how our town looks,

1251
01:33:35,220 --> 01:33:38,360
when you drive through, more street beds,

1252
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,780
and so on, how pretty it could be without trash pile up.

1253
01:33:43,060 --> 01:33:46,040
Every other day, we have trash pick-up on one day

1254
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,440
and we have the sticks and leaves.

1255
01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:52,520
Every other two weeks, it's pile up.

1256
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:58,140
We have a role full of weekends, it's just labor, it's people leave Saturday, it was a

1257
01:33:58,140 --> 01:34:02,920
scratch outside of the evenings of Sunday morning, it's just, you know, I don't know, maybe

1258
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,960
I have different hearts, maybe because I grew up here I have different hearts, and that

1259
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,080
doesn't make me special, but it makes me care, maybe a little more.

1260
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,000
Perfect timing.

1261
01:34:16,580 --> 01:34:20,220
Is there anyone else before I open it up for Commissioner Comet?

1262
01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:23,870
All right, Norm?

1263
01:34:25,130 --> 01:34:25,790
Three minutes?

1264
01:34:27,790 --> 01:34:31,670
That's your executive privilege because as much as you like.

1265
01:34:31,970 --> 01:34:32,370
Oh really?

1266
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:33,150
Yeah.

1267
01:34:34,370 --> 01:34:34,710
All right.

1268
01:34:35,890 --> 01:34:38,670
I don't remember whether it was the last meeting one before that.

1269
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:43,930
But I said that if we would have had the information we had now,

1270
01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:47,070
we would have had a plan in place.

1271
01:34:47,690 --> 01:34:54,070
Things just came together where we were facing this deadline of the meters.

1272
01:34:56,750 --> 01:35:05,690
U.S.D.A. was on our next, you know, fighting, you know, not fighting, but, you know, they were on our next to get something done and we had to show some progress.

1273
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:23,370
And this whole issue came up where we, then the next piece that came up was the quote for $850 or $900,000 for the contractor to put the meters in.

1274
01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:30,510
which was $850,000 or $900,000 that turns out we can do, say, that money number one.

1275
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:41,530
Number two, it was somewhere in the order of $500,000 more than we expected based on the project that was put together whenever that was put together.

1276
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:51,950
So those things came together and I said, you're right, you should have had a plan but all these things came together and we would push, we had to do something, this is what we did.

1277
01:35:52,770 --> 01:35:55,550
What we're talking about tonight are two things.

1278
01:35:56,750 --> 01:36:00,730
We're talking about how we're going to get some stuff cleaned up.

1279
01:36:02,610 --> 01:36:04,990
And long term, what are we going to do about it?

1280
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:06,510
To me, there are two separate things.

1281
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:11,950
The short term thing is how do we stop the stuff from accumulating?

1282
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:19,970
In case you haven't noticed, governments don't work as fast as corporations do because we

1283
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:25,230
have to have open meetings. And I'm not saying anything against open meetings, I will

1284
01:36:25,230 --> 01:36:30,250
for them, but that's part of that's that's that's the context that we have to work

1285
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:36,630
in working in that context right now. So we got two things, we got to figure out what

1286
01:36:36,630 --> 01:36:40,690
we're going to do for the next several months, and we got to get the work on a plan pretty

1287
01:36:40,690 --> 01:36:47,010
quickly. To me, they're kind of two different things. Number one, we're here to discuss

1288
01:36:47,010 --> 01:36:53,650
the contract. To me that's the short-term issue and see if it's feasible, see how it works,

1289
01:36:54,170 --> 01:37:00,830
and we've got to decide how well from when we want to do that. Long term, I've heard a lot of ideas

1290
01:37:00,830 --> 01:37:08,370
tonight that, you know, we already, you know, this is the public input part, so we need to think about

1291
01:37:08,370 --> 01:37:14,750
that long term which includes how do we do it scheduling and all that kind of stuff to make

1292
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:20,390
to see if we can get it into our schedule for the public works folks.

1293
01:37:20,910 --> 01:37:28,750
My personal opinion from what I've seen is every day and a half that the public works

1294
01:37:28,750 --> 01:37:33,690
is doing this kind of stuff because that's about what it takes, the whole proof,

1295
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:43,630
five

1296
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:46,370
Well

1297
01:37:46,370 --> 01:37:47,790
Yes, yeah

1298
01:37:48,710 --> 01:37:52,630
Paul Paul don't quote me on the number, but it's big, okay? It's not three hours

1299
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:57,810
They can't and and and they have other work that needs to be done in addition to

1300
01:37:58,550 --> 01:38:05,570
What they're doing to save us the big money on the project all that's got to be meshed together mushed together

1301
01:38:06,190 --> 01:38:10,630
So that the guys don't work 26 hours a day seven days a week, okay?

1302
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:12,790
We need to think that through

1303
01:38:13,630 --> 01:38:17,030
And that's the second part of this, thinking that through.

1304
01:38:17,950 --> 01:38:22,370
So my question is, my comment is,

1305
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:26,870
I'd like to see us focus on the short-term effort

1306
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:30,870
to get us through what we want to do for a couple of months

1307
01:38:31,230 --> 01:38:33,810
while we figure out the long-term issue.

1308
01:38:35,130 --> 01:38:38,350
And it could be more money.

1309
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:40,530
It could be.

1310
01:38:40,750 --> 01:38:41,570
We'll see how that.

1311
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:45,870
And we have we have to see how this all goes is a lot of data be collected

1312
01:38:46,430 --> 01:38:50,610
We're fine. You're right. We're flying blind to some extent, but we have data

1313
01:38:50,610 --> 01:38:57,170
We have data. We know what this costs us because the the public works charges their time based on the work they do

1314
01:38:57,810 --> 01:38:59,770
We have that data and that's where this

1315
01:39:00,970 --> 01:39:04,250
You know hour and a half you know day-and-a-half comes from

1316
01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:09,110
But it's a big chunk for them. You know day-and-a-half is what?

1317
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:16,630
I can't do the math. 30% of the time? Some like that. I used to be an engineer.

1318
01:39:19,130 --> 01:39:26,250
But, you know, so I think we need to separate these things and work on them as we need to with the priorities.

1319
01:39:26,770 --> 01:39:32,630
My mind, the priority right now is what are you going to do in the next couple of weeks, a couple of months?

1320
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:45,930
It's 200 hours for that day and a half of work time for eight hour days, and so if you multiply that times two or three days a month, that's 600 hours.

1321
01:39:46,270 --> 01:39:55,150
It could be put to stormwater projects, gravity-fed stormwater projects, protecting our home values not just for the people who fled, but for everyone.

1322
01:39:55,150 --> 01:39:59,290
And I've seen a number of the estimate is about $83,000.

1323
01:39:59,450 --> 01:40:02,290
And so for the short term tonight, totally agree with Norm.

1324
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:07,310
What we're really going to talk about, what we really were here to talk about is Antonio

1325
01:40:07,310 --> 01:40:16,270
taking on six pickups this fall, and whether or not we want to hold one out for a storm event.

1326
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:22,330
And some people have been very generous in saying, hey, I only need the once a month.

1327
01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:34,610
And maybe we look at October and say that's a once a month or September and that's a once a month and then we look at November and say that's a twice a month and December that's a twice a month.

1328
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:42,110
But that would be my suggestion. It's not unlike what art sent several months ago.

1329
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:43,010
I should.

1330
01:40:43,230 --> 01:40:43,490
Several.

1331
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:44,170
Yeah.

1332
01:40:44,650 --> 01:40:45,650
Several months ago.

1333
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:52,110
I mean, we only got the RFP's back now to have it go outside when we realized there was

1334
01:40:52,110 --> 01:40:56,270
going to be a real time crunch that the guys couldn't do the projects before the December

1335
01:40:57,050 --> 01:40:57,470
31st deadline.

1336
01:40:57,710 --> 01:40:59,610
Otherwise, we get the money back to the Treasury.

1337
01:41:00,330 --> 01:41:00,630
I don't know.

1338
01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:04,410
That's another piece of it, but that ARPA money goes back unless it's nuts.

1339
01:41:04,630 --> 01:41:07,850
And we don't want to do that when you keep that thing because they have work to do.

1340
01:41:07,930 --> 01:41:08,750
Absolutely not.

1341
01:41:08,750 --> 01:41:21,090
So I think what we want to do is there is, is there any sort of tentative agreement about once a month, twice a month, twice a month, holding out one for storm, or you want to discuss it further?

1342
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:25,250
I think storm to me is an emergency and we just deal with that as we have to.

1343
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:26,470
I think so too.

1344
01:41:26,810 --> 01:41:33,210
All right, so we effectively can do September one and then two, two and two.

1345
01:41:34,010 --> 01:41:35,290
No, that's, that's more.

1346
01:41:35,290 --> 01:41:35,910
That's seven.

1347
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:36,690
That's seven.

1348
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:40,470
You know, it's September 1, October 2, until...

1349
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:43,310
Well, could we deal with the bigger issue here?

1350
01:41:43,450 --> 01:41:44,230
We can work that out.

1351
01:41:44,230 --> 01:41:45,510
I hire Antonio.

1352
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:46,450
Yeah.

1353
01:41:46,690 --> 01:41:46,810
Yeah.

1354
01:41:47,190 --> 01:41:50,170
Actually, I have one question about this proposal.

1355
01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:54,650
And that's with respect to the $20,000 dumpster fee that we are incurring.

1356
01:41:55,090 --> 01:42:01,730
I saw that for the other proposal that would eliminate the need for the dumpster fee.

1357
01:42:01,930 --> 01:42:04,510
But I wasn't clear on Antonio's proposal that he still need that.

1358
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:07,510
doesn't we do not need the dumpster with his proposal because he's gonna take

1359
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:11,810
everything off site to get directly to the landfill okay well that's yeah

1360
01:42:11,810 --> 01:42:17,750
that's so that's a $20,000 expense that we will not incur but that was

1361
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:25,430
included in the 39 yeah so you didn't you didn't go to 59 no no I just did

1362
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:30,610
that part I was I was just worried about whether you had that addition yeah

1363
01:42:31,150 --> 01:42:32,730
All right, then let's approve.

1364
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:35,570
Let's take a vote.

1365
01:42:36,050 --> 01:42:38,010
Let's take a vote on putting the contract

1366
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:42,790
for Antonio for six pickups in the amount of $19,290.

1367
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:46,750
Before we do that, I would like to make sure

1368
01:42:46,750 --> 01:42:50,590
that everybody on everybody being in the office

1369
01:42:50,590 --> 01:42:53,770
and Antonio understands what the work is.

1370
01:42:55,450 --> 01:42:58,590
I'm not saying before we approve it, but that's part of it.

1371
01:42:58,850 --> 01:42:59,990
Got to make sure that we understand.

1372
01:42:59,990 --> 01:43:05,690
Well, I think that's up to our manager to implement our contract, all right?

1373
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:14,070
So do I hear a motion to approve the $19,290 from yard debris removal lines?

1374
01:43:15,670 --> 01:43:18,830
So moved by Norm Bell and second.

1375
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:19,950
All in favor?

1376
01:43:20,770 --> 01:43:20,990
Aye.

1377
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:21,490
Aye.

1378
01:43:22,230 --> 01:43:23,390
Thank you all for your comments.

1379
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:25,250
Moving along.

1380
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:27,510
Secondly, though, we're not secondly.

1381
01:43:28,170 --> 01:43:35,570
This was a good, you know, we got some, you know, comments, good comments, all good comments.

1382
01:43:37,150 --> 01:43:42,510
And so we need to have some more of this as we decide the long term issue.

1383
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:47,490
Well we also need to have some and work on it with the public publicity so that everybody

1384
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:47,850
is aware.

1385
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:48,470
Yeah.

1386
01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:53,110
So I think we need to kind of, you know, especially in the very short term because people

1387
01:43:53,110 --> 01:43:55,510
need to buy these bags in order to have their stuff picked up.

1388
01:43:55,510 --> 01:44:07,490
Yeah, we need to do we what can we confirm the schedule? Is it one in September one in October two November two December that get that gets us to six and that's what we're going to do.

1389
01:44:07,650 --> 01:44:10,570
Okay, and I'll just set those dates with the Antonio and we'll get those public eyes.

1390
01:44:11,110 --> 01:44:11,630
Okay.

1391
01:44:12,590 --> 01:44:23,470
All right, so commissioners consider other expenditures related to Noah earmark or equipment required to complete project goals in an amount not to exceed two

1392
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:31,690
You have 252734 as budgeted in the fiscal year 27 general fund budget, no direct cost,

1393
01:44:32,050 --> 01:44:40,430
line item currently budgeted, $134,700, and revenue is being budgeted as $134,700.

1394
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:46,670
Commissioner's authorize that a future budget amendment will account for additional revenue and expenses in year one.

1395
01:44:47,070 --> 01:44:53,390
It's important to know that this is all part of the earmark, so this is money from the federal government that is supporting

1396
01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:59,970
this project. I think to add to that, Holly. Yes, and we have Noah, Zach over here and support of...

1397
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,580
As the request, this is, as Commissioner President Greer had said, this is part of the budgeted equipment purchases for the NOAA EO Mark funding. So we will draw the federal funds to make those purchases, and then we will purchase them as submitted and researched by the NOAA team. Any questions? There's quite a list of equipment for in your packet.

1398
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:35,400
The difference, the higher than budget expenses, that just means there's less money in the out years to spend.

1399
01:45:36,440 --> 01:45:38,600
Right, so it's just putting more money in the end.

1400
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:39,460
It's just a timing question.

1401
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:40,300
Right.

1402
01:45:40,540 --> 01:45:43,320
So the budget has a change for the NOAA project.

1403
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,200
We'll just be bringing in more revenue than had originally expected.

1404
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:52,880
And then we'll just make a clean-up of a minimum budget to recognize that additional revenue and then put it associated.

1405
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:58,380
So if they had this budgeted for three years every year for a certain amount, this is putting it all up front

1406
01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:01,700
So they have the equipment in the first year. Is that success?

1407
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:08,320
Yep, yep, yep. Okay, all right, so do I hear a motion to approve?

1408
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:09,820
So moved, second.

1409
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,540
All in favor? All right, all right.

1410
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:19,420
Commissioner Cicita approving the reposting of the earmarked positions, research scientist and grants coordinator.

1411
01:46:19,420 --> 01:46:26,360
We did post them one time. We had several applicants. They were able to accept the

1412
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:31,020
positions. So we're going back out again. So any questions?

1413
01:46:31,660 --> 01:46:36,320
And what changed in terms of what we're putting out now is it's been modified to clarify the

1414
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,540
role. Reload and relocation is not included and the salary.

1415
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:47,860
Okay, motion to approve.

1416
01:46:48,060 --> 01:46:49,060
So moved second.

1417
01:46:49,380 --> 01:46:49,820
All in favor?

1418
01:46:50,140 --> 01:46:50,280
All right.

1419
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:51,000
All right.

1420
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:53,540
So we're going to talk about parking on Pierce Street.

1421
01:46:54,420 --> 01:47:00,880
So we have some people that that directly affects that our viewers talk about it and so glad you're visiting.

1422
01:47:05,980 --> 01:47:08,300
Does anyone want to leave out the discussion?

1423
01:47:08,460 --> 01:47:10,600
This was added to the agenda that later.

1424
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,180
So what is it? How do you want to tell us what to do?

1425
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:18,560
Sure. So the last time we met in work session format, the commissioners, you were

1426
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:24,500
tested that I go to our engineer and have them confound how many spaces could be

1427
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:29,360
potentially added. From that initial plan, there was actually only six spaces.

1428
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:34,280
And there was some concern with the stone that was being added that it would

1429
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:35,800
it's safe because of the wet conditions.

1430
01:47:36,940 --> 01:47:39,860
In addition, we need to add the ADA parking

1431
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,440
if we are expanding the parking spaces.

1432
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:47,640
So what you have before you is a proposal

1433
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:56,060
that is close to $50,000 to add about 26 parking spaces.

1434
01:47:58,780 --> 01:48:01,760
And I do want to clarify that this is not budget A.

1435
01:48:01,860 --> 01:48:04,440
We do not have this in the general crime budget.

1436
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:09,740
So we have to find a way to account for the funds necessary.

1437
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:15,070
Do you guys have any questions?

1438
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:19,310
I wanted to talk with the owners of the restaurant and have them come up.

1439
01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:20,130
Is that okay with you?

1440
01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:20,990
That'd be fun, isn't it?

1441
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:21,370
Okay.

1442
01:48:22,330 --> 01:48:23,090
Hi, guys.

1443
01:48:24,610 --> 01:48:27,470
I just want to talk about parking in general at the restaurant.

1444
01:48:27,470 --> 01:48:30,530
Would you mind coming up to the table, bow and chute?

1445
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:39,320
I get a lot of calls and I had some texts with chute

1446
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,220
but we haven't had any formal, formal discussions.

1447
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:47,560
Without talking about the parking lot first, would it help

1448
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:51,720
if we had a QR code that we posted in town,

1449
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,180
or you guys posted on Facebook,

1450
01:48:53,660 --> 01:48:57,060
that would designate like a parking A, B, and C lot?

1451
01:48:57,540 --> 01:48:59,300
We have space over at the tennis court,

1452
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:01,900
the waterman's lot, which is not used at night.

1453
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:03,700
And of course, the pure street,

1454
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,740
if we put some, go ahead and put some money onto it.

1455
01:49:06,740 --> 01:49:14,900
And that way, people could hit that, say, hey, I'm in parking lot A, can you come get me, or vice your C, come back.

1456
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,720
Have you thought about any kinds of solutions?

1457
01:49:17,740 --> 01:49:20,800
You have a pretty young group, I think they use the QR group.

1458
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:23,280
I don't think there is going to happen.

1459
01:49:23,860 --> 01:49:24,260
Really?

1460
01:49:24,580 --> 01:49:25,580
Really? What do you think?

1461
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,480
I mean, I'm so frustrated right now, should I do this?

1462
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:29,900
I understand.

1463
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:31,040
This is absolutely ridiculous.

1464
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,100
We've been here for nine years.

1465
01:49:33,420 --> 01:49:35,180
We've been buying golf carts.

1466
01:49:35,660 --> 01:49:39,000
We hired people to help as far as you tell them.

1467
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,060
I stand at home far and far away from it.

1468
01:49:41,860 --> 01:49:43,240
It's like we didn't build this place.

1469
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,040
It's best to have been here for years.

1470
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:46,660
Now we catch a lot of people,

1471
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:47,780
you give me a lot of stairs.

1472
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:49,800
We haven't increased our capacity.

1473
01:49:50,380 --> 01:49:51,440
We're still talking about that.

1474
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,560
But he's getting out of there to just scream in the morning.

1475
01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:56,880
It's like, I don't know.

1476
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:58,380
You can probably be one of the kind.

1477
01:49:58,380 --> 01:50:00,980
right amount of concern, so the first reason.

1478
01:50:01,820 --> 01:50:03,800
So the first reason, all we do for this community,

1479
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,280
all we do for that, all we try to help,

1480
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:08,740
and then all it goes is nothing,

1481
01:50:09,540 --> 01:50:10,140
and then we don't care.

1482
01:50:10,580 --> 01:50:13,080
And so you want to, you want to go ahead and do it.

1483
01:50:13,380 --> 01:50:15,440
So you've got to, I'm going to tell you,

1484
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,820
you can keep your calls, you're going to keep saying

1485
01:50:17,820 --> 01:50:19,980
what you're saying, and you're just frustrated.

1486
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:21,940
We try to do the best we can.

1487
01:50:22,660 --> 01:50:24,040
Not really, all right, as you as this,

1488
01:50:24,440 --> 01:50:25,780
we've done such a good job.

1489
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:35,880
Nobody's looking, nobody's looking to kind of see you and listen to you.

1490
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:39,060
You know they look closer than you need to look closer.

1491
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,120
Look at what's going on right now.

1492
01:50:43,220 --> 01:50:44,800
So here to talk about parking.

1493
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,200
Why are you talking to your battery?

1494
01:50:46,580 --> 01:50:47,660
You don't like what I'm saying?

1495
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:48,740
No.

1496
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:49,760
It's fine.

1497
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:52,540
It's fine.

1498
01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:53,440
Yeah, that's not fine.

1499
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:59,100
This is it. It's not fine. It's not fine. I'm tired.

1500
01:51:00,300 --> 01:51:02,160
Some of those are also tired of it.

1501
01:51:02,180 --> 01:51:03,140
Not shit anymore or two.

1502
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:09,740
I want that I do have cases that we are trying what we can't do.

1503
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,940
It's not like we turn back and ignore it at all.

1504
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,640
We continue to do things to try to make it better.

1505
01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:20,320
You know, unfortunately a situation will wait.

1506
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:28,220
one restaurant opened in all the town of Osh, and they come to us. And you know what, I

1507
01:51:28,220 --> 01:51:32,160
seem to think we have a good product, but I have to be honest. I think we're in the places

1508
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:36,240
up and up, it won't be as much traffic. But I have no control of that.

1509
01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:42,280
It's a separate discussion about the fire, fire-martial issue in your capacity.

1510
01:51:42,740 --> 01:51:43,220
I imagine that.

1511
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:43,740
Yeah.

1512
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:45,140
No, I didn't.

1513
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:45,820
No, I didn't.

1514
01:51:46,420 --> 01:51:47,260
You mentioned it.

1515
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,480
It's a separate discussion. What we're here to talk about.

1516
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:50,880
I'm not talking about it.

1517
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:58,240
Yeah, what we're here to talk about is if there's anything we can coordinate with you in terms of parking and signage

1518
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,760
to help you help alleviate some of the problems.

1519
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,680
Absolutely. I mean, we have done things to try to do.

1520
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:09,140
We went to a meeting, we were supposed to go to another parking lot.

1521
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,700
It was always there. Nine years ago, it was a huge, a lot of things about the telephone park.

1522
01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:17,980
I don't know, that's good. We can't get in there. A lot of people didn't even know it was there.

1523
01:52:18,420 --> 01:52:19,480
We went to the meeting.

1524
01:52:19,480 --> 01:52:24,980
Well, that's part of the reason to have the QR code is so that people coming from out

1525
01:52:24,980 --> 01:52:25,300
of town.

1526
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:36,300
It is not patently obvious where that that lot is and the $50,000 for the parking lot

1527
01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:37,780
is for that parking lot.

1528
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,660
The one that you used to use quite a bit with the golf course.

1529
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:41,800
Yeah.

1530
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:49,340
But what I think what we're seeing is that there are additional places to park that are

1531
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:52,300
are even easier for people to come in from the main street.

1532
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:57,960
I eat that space behind the tennis court and the waterman's lot.

1533
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:03,740
If we can somehow, you know, people are used to using a QR for a menu or drinks menu.

1534
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:09,700
If we can somehow do that and then have your golf carts cell phone number on there.

1535
01:53:10,460 --> 01:53:13,340
So to reduce, it's very hard to change behavior.

1536
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,180
Where do you think they're going to drive to first?

1537
01:53:16,780 --> 01:53:20,120
You are a pipe, you're going to drive to first.

1538
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:21,840
They're going to drive down west to your street.

1539
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:23,500
Yep, they're going to drive around the parking lot.

1540
01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:25,180
And when they're parking, I was in full,

1541
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:26,880
and they're going to go to another parking lot.

1542
01:53:27,420 --> 01:53:29,600
I'm going to try to, but I try to use going forward to,

1543
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:32,280
you know, I don't think there's a restaurant

1544
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:37,180
who can tell any space in town that has a parking lot

1545
01:53:37,180 --> 01:53:41,120
that fits whenever a person's capacity.

1546
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:47,220
You know, I could have 50 people, I could have a party of 50 people from the dots, and

1547
01:53:47,220 --> 01:53:51,080
drive separately in 50 cars, and that part isn't one of West Pierce Street.

1548
01:53:51,260 --> 01:53:56,100
Oh, absolutely. This is to try to redirect some of the traffic to see.

1549
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,660
And you know, we personally don't taste good. I mean, I think people know that we have,

1550
01:53:59,820 --> 01:54:06,900
people know that we have the struggle when they know it's a convenience, but they will drive down West Pierce Street first.

1551
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:12,800
I agree with that, but when you and I texted you said that you and your wife were still

1552
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:17,800
talking about how you can get people to use the golf cart that they have to call the restaurant

1553
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:24,660
first, and then the golf cart's directed out out of there on a QR code with a cell phone

1554
01:54:24,660 --> 01:54:29,640
number if you make it faster because people are always going to do what's easier for sure.

1555
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,700
But if I had been a member of the party or a drug student,

1556
01:54:33,140 --> 01:54:34,780
I'd still have them to the argument to get some of that.

1557
01:54:34,780 --> 01:54:35,420
I'll get some of that.

1558
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:35,760
OK.

1559
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:36,800
I don't think they do.

1560
01:54:37,180 --> 01:54:38,540
I don't mean that's...

1561
01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:39,040
Yeah.

1562
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:40,380
They all stay.

1563
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:41,300
I don't know.

1564
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:42,620
I guess from my frustration.

1565
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:43,400
It's just...

1566
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:43,680
Oh, man.

1567
01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:44,980
I understand.

1568
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:45,780
We do try.

1569
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,720
I mean, sometimes it's fierce.

1570
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:49,780
Did other people all think we'd be trying?

1571
01:54:50,300 --> 01:54:50,920
The way you do it?

1572
01:54:51,180 --> 01:54:54,240
Well, the problem, I think you're experiencing is common.

1573
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,060
People that, you know, are upset with something.

1574
01:54:57,180 --> 01:54:59,420
The other ones you're going to hear from, you're not going to hear from all the people

1575
01:54:59,420 --> 01:55:01,080
went down there to appreciate all the things you're doing.

1576
01:55:01,380 --> 01:55:05,340
I mean, I just thought about the people that come

1577
01:55:05,340 --> 01:55:06,200
playing with us.

1578
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,780
I just don't want to be a think that we're not doing it.

1579
01:55:10,900 --> 01:55:13,280
No, I think everybody sees your golf carts out there.

1580
01:55:13,780 --> 01:55:15,780
Everybody sees, you know, you've got a parking lot.

1581
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,660
You keep it, you keep it, you keep it, you fill the bottles.

1582
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,120
It's $20,000.

1583
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:19,880
I'm sure.

1584
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:20,560
That's golf carts.

1585
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:20,820
Yeah.

1586
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,640
And we're trying to get a parking lot to help you.

1587
01:55:22,940 --> 01:55:24,320
It's going to cost 50 grand.

1588
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:27,960
And we're going to get 50 grand.

1589
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:33,160
Well, that was, you know, one of the things I was thinking about when I looked at this,

1590
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:35,660
we don't have this money in our budget.

1591
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:41,500
So the next budget period doesn't start until July, and so we're going to fix this for

1592
01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:42,620
20-28.

1593
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:48,640
I mean, we have a collectively, we have a problem, and, right, I mean-

1594
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:54,200
This was, like, this weekend, I just prefer to do, if this is on for what if we can flip

1595
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:54,480
about?

1596
01:55:55,380 --> 01:55:55,560
Yes.

1597
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:59,720
It's such a scroll up and down forestry, and I think he's part of a lot.

1598
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:05,600
There's not only beneficial to the business in town, the residents to keep congestion.

1599
01:56:06,660 --> 01:56:10,940
You know, it's sort of a town washer as a whole.

1600
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,540
I mean, we're actually going to talk about where people like to throw air.

1601
01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:16,800
You know, we have these events that are C.C.

1602
01:56:16,940 --> 01:56:18,360
It's a unique place to treat.

1603
01:56:18,420 --> 01:56:19,420
I don't know. It's your life worth.

1604
01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:23,900
The Regatta Weekend, the Naval Academy race, et cetera.

1605
01:56:23,900 --> 01:56:25,900
day of the Memorial Day. Yeah.

1606
01:56:26,020 --> 01:56:31,420
Offs her day. So we utilize these these alternate parking lots. We want your

1607
01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:36,200
patrons to be aware of them. And it's an imperfect solution. I know. I've been

1608
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,640
wondering if there's been a restaurant or just a bit. Yeah. Just as well. We have the

1609
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:45,200
bookboards and say please follow the speed limit to turn your music down. Don't

1610
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:49,820
litter. Don't you speed it out. Just so you know we've got complaints about the

1611
01:56:49,820 --> 01:56:53,360
about a weekend, about parking, all up and down.

1612
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,620
And I said to Holly, I know that the mothers

1613
01:56:56,620 --> 01:57:00,700
with two kids in a big sailbag are going to do it's easiest.

1614
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:03,780
And that's just the way it is.

1615
01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:06,700
They aren't necessarily going to go out to the football field

1616
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:10,860
unless there's a golf cart there to pick them up that minute

1617
01:57:10,860 --> 01:57:12,020
because they're all running behind.

1618
01:57:13,780 --> 01:57:15,660
So I know it's not easy.

1619
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:16,620
You don't have two cars.

1620
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:17,500
Yeah.

1621
01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:19,900
Yeah, five people, if you'd need to, once that's there,

1622
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,360
so it's almost so much of a little bit of a pickup.

1623
01:57:22,780 --> 01:57:24,020
Every little bit helps.

1624
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:25,520
And we do.

1625
01:57:25,980 --> 01:57:28,240
Yeah, every little bit helps too.

1626
01:57:28,460 --> 01:57:29,880
And then we have to figure out a way.

1627
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:34,380
There were some cars that were had their driveways blocked.

1628
01:57:34,980 --> 01:57:37,260
And we have to figure out a way to get those tickets.

1629
01:57:37,540 --> 01:57:38,200
What's that point?

1630
01:57:38,420 --> 01:57:39,420
That's not recommended.

1631
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,680
Oh, I mean, right now, I guess a little bit

1632
01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:43,340
shares the bar on hand, but I'll figure it in right

1633
01:57:43,340 --> 01:57:44,140
apart because it did.

1634
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:44,800
No, they can.

1635
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:46,780
If they're blocking the driveway, they absolutely can.

1636
01:57:46,780 --> 01:57:48,040
and they've been following up on that.

1637
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,780
And as much as the residents hold the town and complain about it,

1638
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:52,760
I'd suggest maybe they follow the sheriff's performance.

1639
01:57:53,260 --> 01:57:53,560
They do.

1640
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:53,920
Yeah.

1641
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:55,860
That's what he's at.

1642
01:57:56,220 --> 01:57:56,600
I agree.

1643
01:57:57,140 --> 01:58:00,440
I can't control, you know, I don't know if they come to my restaurant.

1644
01:58:00,700 --> 01:58:02,540
I don't know if they're going to want their neighbor's house.

1645
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:05,760
I don't know what we're going to do.

1646
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:05,960
Right.

1647
01:58:06,180 --> 01:58:08,240
I'm really going to, I'm getting so many things.

1648
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,180
You know what, it's, no.

1649
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:15,080
You have some additional traffic to change this a little bit.

1650
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:24,640
But what kind of analysis have we done to know how much 23 additional spaces is a 23 including 280 or 25?

1651
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:33,280
Is it 23 spaces with including 2 ADA spaces or is it 23 spaces plus 2 ADA spaces?

1652
01:58:33,820 --> 01:58:35,620
It's 23.

1653
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:36,900
23 total.

1654
01:58:37,220 --> 01:58:37,640
Including.

1655
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:44,600
So how this is a lot of money, but it's 23 spaces, but how much of a problem does

1656
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:46,460
having 23 more spaces solved?

1657
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:55,320
I think one way to answer that is counting the cars on a busy night.

1658
01:58:55,540 --> 01:58:58,380
Right, you count the cars on a beer and a couple of others on a beer.

1659
01:58:58,940 --> 01:59:01,520
Stop when you get to 23, you see who you are.

1660
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:12,620
If I may, you know if I may interrupt, I just also on West Peer Street, if you go out on Friday morning, which there are a lot of deals, they're right, they pull their car out of the driver's.

1661
01:59:14,380 --> 01:59:15,560
I'm sorry, I'm not a resident.

1662
01:59:16,420 --> 01:59:18,520
Pull their cars out of their driver.

1663
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:20,380
He parked the street.

1664
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:21,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah.

1665
01:59:21,860 --> 01:59:22,140
I get that.

1666
01:59:22,180 --> 01:59:23,660
That's fine, I mean, it's a street.

1667
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:24,340
Right.

1668
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:25,480
You got friends coming over, right?

1669
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:27,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1670
01:59:29,140 --> 01:59:30,720
You got friends coming over, right?

1671
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:37,920
at the end of West Pierce Street, right before the stop sign, who have very limited

1672
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:44,560
driveways and are tired of their friends family not being able to do so.

1673
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,040
Yeah, I don't fall people for doing that.

1674
01:59:46,180 --> 01:59:50,860
So that is not most of the parking on West Pierce.

1675
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:52,460
You've heard your truck down for you.

1676
01:59:53,580 --> 01:59:53,960
Where?

1677
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:55,780
At the end of West Pierce Street.

1678
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,560
Okay, we're not going to get into that.

1679
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:58,240
Okay, yeah.

1680
01:59:58,320 --> 01:59:58,700
Thank you.

1681
01:59:58,700 --> 01:59:59,300
Thank you very much.

1682
01:59:59,300 --> 01:59:59,520
Thank you very much.

1683
02:00:01,390 --> 02:00:30,390
Are there other things that you have talked about? I mean, and would the 23, it's just a second pet, would the 23, I mean, how does, how do the residents do it? Besides just the parking lot, yeah, I just, there's other things that I should, you know, the street that wants permitted, whatever the baseball team is, for instance, where's the streets? Like, could we, I mean, could we even grow up on just the side of the road? You know what I mean?

1684
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:32,930
They said, if you go down to where that call is at,

1685
02:00:33,090 --> 02:00:35,670
where the source is on the right,

1686
02:00:36,550 --> 02:00:38,050
and then you can't run out of that call is that,

1687
02:00:38,250 --> 02:00:40,190
I mean, it looks as if people get parked

1688
02:00:40,190 --> 02:00:41,170
on the side of the street.

1689
02:00:41,470 --> 02:00:44,070
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, you have people parking there.

1690
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:46,530
Oh, I've been down that road, and then back towards

1691
02:00:47,130 --> 02:00:49,330
the community, you said, I mean, can we drive?

1692
02:00:49,530 --> 02:00:51,790
I mean, can we throw a spell down, all that,

1693
02:00:52,030 --> 02:00:52,950
and just does that.

1694
02:00:52,950 --> 02:00:54,070
Is it a parkable now?

1695
02:00:55,070 --> 02:00:56,830
I mean, if people park that for OCRAM,

1696
02:00:58,090 --> 02:00:59,190
on the circle?

1697
02:00:59,190 --> 02:01:04,410
Yeah, I mean, it is drought. It's actually great because there's no, there's no pedestrian traffic.

1698
02:01:04,870 --> 02:01:05,750
It's a good spot.

1699
02:01:05,750 --> 02:01:05,830
It's a good spot.

1700
02:01:06,070 --> 02:01:09,890
What on the grass is, where the grass is, it's not.

1701
02:01:10,290 --> 02:01:12,110
I mean, if we could grow out there, it's just...

1702
02:01:12,110 --> 02:01:13,870
Yeah, I'd like to see it. Can we walk it sometime?

1703
02:01:14,250 --> 02:01:14,370
Yeah.

1704
02:01:14,730 --> 02:01:14,910
Okay.

1705
02:01:16,370 --> 02:01:17,730
I've walked over there in a while.

1706
02:01:17,730 --> 02:01:19,610
Yeah, and you're all out of communities.

1707
02:01:19,870 --> 02:01:21,110
Because they're the East Park and Sue.

1708
02:01:21,310 --> 02:01:24,070
I mean, what they have in the event, I mean, if you have any of these perfect storms,

1709
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:28,990
where it's a holiday weekend, you know, that it's sort of, you know,

1710
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:33,310
Asher Tunisers, something going on, and it's just a holiday weekend.

1711
02:01:33,370 --> 02:01:37,530
We're just busy just naturally, you know, and hopefully alleviate some of these things.

1712
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:48,310
So, the planning commission looked at all the places that we could use for parking in town.

1713
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:54,820
I don't know if they looked at that, but I don't think they looked at that.

1714
02:01:54,820 --> 02:01:56,740
I hadn't thought of that particular area.

1715
02:01:56,860 --> 02:01:57,900
Thank you for bringing it up.

1716
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,520
It makes sense because the golf cart is running up

1717
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:01,980
and down that street anyway.

1718
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,280
As opposed to the water, it's the different direction.

1719
02:02:05,620 --> 02:02:10,360
So my concern here now is that are we going to solve this

1720
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:10,800
tonight?

1721
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:13,260
No, this is a workshop discussion.

1722
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,900
It's just a chance to talk about it in the public

1723
02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:17,780
because we are constrained by having

1724
02:02:17,780 --> 02:02:18,940
to talk about it in public.

1725
02:02:20,660 --> 02:02:31,700
So I do think this is going to be iterative because there was something that was mentioned about a problem that we have to address with this parking is going to be an issue.

1726
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:32,940
Previous to that.

1727
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:34,180
Previous to that.

1728
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:36,040
So that's a real issue in there.

1729
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:38,120
This has been a parking issue since.

1730
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:39,680
So wait, wait.

1731
02:02:39,740 --> 02:02:43,580
You know, it's not going to be considered an major investment.

1732
02:02:43,820 --> 02:02:44,420
Of course.

1733
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:53,180
It's a separate problem that's been in assistance for a while, and I think looking at the cul-de-sac makes a lot of sense.

1734
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:54,260
There's nothing down there.

1735
02:02:54,980 --> 02:02:55,820
There's nothing down there.

1736
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:59,680
I mean, you have the storage units across the street in an old warehouse.

1737
02:03:00,180 --> 02:03:01,400
I mean, my studio.

1738
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,040
What do you have to do with Jim?

1739
02:03:03,500 --> 02:03:03,980
Yeah, I know.

1740
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:08,260
All right, and we're going to open it up for an additional public comment.

1741
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:10,320
You're going to stay here on that path.

1742
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:12,640
I thought I was going to go first on any path.

1743
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:14,340
and that's the point.

1744
02:03:14,340 --> 02:03:15,060
Okay, thank you.

1745
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:16,460
Thank you.

1746
02:03:26,460 --> 02:03:29,460
When I was chafe when we had these issues,

1747
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:34,400
I allowed the soccer field to be used for overrun parking

1748
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:37,360
or overflow parking if the ground was hard enough.

1749
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:40,480
And that took the stress off the side streets.

1750
02:03:40,620 --> 02:03:44,340
We also, I also went down towards the,

1751
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,020
what I call, a industrial park,

1752
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:54,460
looking at it all the left, so long as they're not blocking the fire hydrant that was the first single all in the corner.

1753
02:03:55,160 --> 02:04:01,100
The soccer field makes perfect sense, if the commissioners didn't talk to the public works in Hollywood,

1754
02:04:02,180 --> 02:04:05,100
field is not going to tear it up, it may stop being used.

1755
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:08,940
It's the highest elevation there, it's like three feet higher than everything else.

1756
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:10,820
Yeah, I mean it's high.

1757
02:04:11,060 --> 02:04:12,500
Which is why everything's flooded.

1758
02:04:12,500 --> 02:04:16,200
Just put cones or help the soccer nets.

1759
02:04:16,580 --> 02:04:19,100
It isn't as convenient for the restaurant people

1760
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:20,680
and they're absolutely right.

1761
02:04:20,820 --> 02:04:22,260
People are going to do what's easiest.

1762
02:04:23,220 --> 02:04:26,880
And so if they see that the golf carts running up

1763
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,720
and down there, it probably makes more sense

1764
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:31,520
for regular weekend traffic.

1765
02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:35,580
For the regatta weekends and for Fourth of July

1766
02:04:35,580 --> 02:04:39,140
and for Oxford Day, I think we have to use the football field.

1767
02:04:39,140 --> 02:04:48,180
I mean, it's just a thing to ease that, because some people think they've got to go to

1768
02:04:48,180 --> 02:04:52,600
blocks and wait for something, they get a little bit of patience, that's unfortunately

1769
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:52,980
good.

1770
02:04:53,180 --> 02:04:57,460
Well, we well know that people are going to be wet, it's easy, that's what it is today,

1771
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,880
but that's what two sets worth it.

1772
02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:00,940
Thank you, Pat.

1773
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:03,280
Glad we all saw some terracotta.

1774
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:04,300
That's right.

1775
02:05:04,820 --> 02:05:05,680
Barbara Ranson.

1776
02:05:14,350 --> 02:05:17,330
I wanted to reiterate what she was saying.

1777
02:05:17,470 --> 02:05:23,110
We've been talking about his parking situation since before he bought that property.

1778
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:31,280
In all of the conversations that I've heard, which has been many about parking, we talked

1779
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:37,080
about the lot by the dog park and there was money set aside, one of the grants to be able

1780
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:39,720
to rehab that parking lot for use

1781
02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:42,500
from the community center and docs.

1782
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:44,840
I think it's important to note

1783
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:46,740
that in all of these conversations,

1784
02:05:47,460 --> 02:05:52,260
the term enforcement really doesn't get said.

1785
02:05:53,180 --> 02:05:55,400
And so if there's signs out front

1786
02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:56,900
where the curves are painted,

1787
02:05:56,900 --> 02:05:59,540
which we talked about doing three or four years ago,

1788
02:05:59,620 --> 02:06:00,960
I don't know that we've ever done that.

1789
02:06:01,580 --> 02:06:03,780
We talked about painting the curves

1790
02:06:03,780 --> 02:06:06,300
so that people would know where they can and cannot park.

1791
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:08,780
We've never followed through with that.

1792
02:06:09,540 --> 02:06:12,600
So, I understand the frustration from the people who live there.

1793
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,320
It is a public street.

1794
02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:17,680
We do need businesses in our community.

1795
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:22,100
Eventually, hopefully, there'll be more restaurants to pick from.

1796
02:06:22,580 --> 02:06:26,460
We're very fortunate to have docs and all that they do for our community.

1797
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:33,620
I in no way want to punish them for being successful.

1798
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:36,400
They're successful to our community.

1799
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:42,980
there's the employee people they are an asset to our community. So when we talk

1800
02:06:42,980 --> 02:06:50,740
about parking and when Lisa and Dan had hopes and when capsize before that

1801
02:06:50,740 --> 02:06:55,900
stuners they had their lot. The town also subsidized that lot but the water

1802
02:06:55,900 --> 02:07:00,060
been parked in by day and the restaurant goers parked in by night.

1803
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:04,000
The

1804
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:10,200
infrastructure of the town providing parking to patrons. We need that

1805
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:15,280
income. We need that visibility and we need to make it easy for people to

1806
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:20,560
come to Oxford and pay for businesses. I think we need to be very mindful of

1807
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:25,020
that. And if we said we were going to build a parking lot, we said we're going to

1808
02:07:25,020 --> 02:07:30,380
paint the curves. Let's paint the curves. And if we need to hire somebody who will

1809
02:07:30,380 --> 02:07:36,000
issue tickets where we need to clarify who can write a ticket, then let's do that and use that

1810
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:41,940
as a way to subsidize the expense of parking lots and pay new perks. I really like the painting

1811
02:07:41,940 --> 02:07:48,580
curbs because we can undo that, we can experiment with it, see how it works. And I also like the idea,

1812
02:07:48,580 --> 02:07:54,800
I think it'd be pretty inexpensive to rehab the cul-de-sac. I'd also like to say about that cul-de-sac,

1813
02:07:54,800 --> 02:08:02,020
Where my business is located, there was an accident last weekend with a young woman who

1814
02:08:02,020 --> 02:08:09,260
parked on that street because a boat trailer is parked in front of the biopitrant.

1815
02:08:09,620 --> 02:08:16,440
She parked in front of the boat trailer, a car leaving my parking lot, hit her car, meanwhile

1816
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:18,660
there's a whole parking lot sitting there empty.

1817
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:21,780
That call to staff is not as easy as you think.

1818
02:08:21,780 --> 02:08:26,100
there's a big divot on the ballpark side and there's a big divot on my side.

1819
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,020
So before we make a plan on that, somebody needs to do a little bit of a study.

1820
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:34,380
Yeah, that's what we could take, walk it and then have the engineer take a look at it

1821
02:08:34,380 --> 02:08:37,960
if it's going to be less expensive than the 50 for the other thing.

1822
02:08:38,100 --> 02:08:39,220
We could get it done sooner.

1823
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,840
All right, let's also talk to what do you think we talked to the planning commission

1824
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:45,140
to get them involved to you?

1825
02:08:45,580 --> 02:08:49,500
Yeah, and I think we need to do it on a timeline with an eye toward, you know,

1826
02:08:49,500 --> 02:08:56,400
know, it's already almost Labor Day, right? But, you know, come next spring, none of us want

1827
02:08:56,400 --> 02:09:01,280
to be having this conversation then. So, we're going to always be having some sort

1828
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:07,560
of the conversation. Well, at least if people are doing something between NARL and Memorial

1829
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:09,620
Day. Okay, and Marty.

1830
02:09:13,970 --> 02:09:18,430
Morning, Beth. So, 113 West Cures Street. So, right in the middle of

1831
02:09:18,430 --> 02:09:22,290
I'll give you a copy of my question to one through

1832
02:09:22,290 --> 02:09:23,090
like an help moment.

1833
02:09:24,090 --> 02:09:28,470
So the dynamic is the property originally before

1834
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:31,490
the reconstruction had been recognized

1835
02:09:31,490 --> 02:09:35,450
by not employing a little history part, just the history.

1836
02:09:36,510 --> 02:09:38,430
With the reconstruction understanding,

1837
02:09:39,530 --> 02:09:41,410
it's going down, which I certainly appreciate.

1838
02:09:42,490 --> 02:09:46,610
The construction changed the size and the configuration

1839
02:09:46,610 --> 02:09:53,670
of the property. At no time were the adjacent property owners in the region of Westpier

1840
02:09:53,670 --> 02:09:58,910
Street or the other neighborhoods around the property. And this is a sole property

1841
02:09:58,910 --> 02:10:04,910
in the middle of residential, it's about an acre in the corner. So at no time would we

1842
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:12,730
be notified in the approval process that there was this expansion underway. The demand for

1843
02:10:12,730 --> 02:10:19,630
parking is a function of the occupancy of seating in the restaurant for sure and when I look

1844
02:10:19,630 --> 02:10:26,570
at the fact that with the restaurant and the arena and the store there's a recognized

1845
02:10:26,570 --> 02:10:34,110
level of parking that's supposed to be provided by the town's ordinances and it was out of deficit

1846
02:10:34,110 --> 02:10:42,630
before the expansion and now the facility has been expanded. Able to predict the implications

1847
02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:54,510
about it. Now, what I read in the June 24 planning report is there was to be no expansion

1848
02:10:54,510 --> 02:11:03,190
of seating or occupancy. And nevertheless, it appears there's been a great expansion of

1849
02:11:03,190 --> 02:11:08,190
seating and occupancy. Based on what? Based on what?

1850
02:11:11,790 --> 02:11:19,670
I have to ask you to refrain from, I know, I know, I know, you know, I got pictures as

1851
02:11:19,670 --> 02:11:26,670
evening charts, okay, and you know, maybe a good thing, maybe a good thing, just to be

1852
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:34,090
direct, is maybe you want to invite your neighbors to talk to you and give you some feedback,

1853
02:11:34,610 --> 02:11:36,010
you won't even look at your mobile phone.

1854
02:11:36,010 --> 02:11:40,410
All right, we're going to shut this down, Marty, can you finish up?

1855
02:11:40,670 --> 02:11:49,170
Okay, let's see, you know what's happening is the parking is just overwhelming the street itself.

1856
02:11:49,770 --> 02:11:51,890
Some of us would like to see no parking.

1857
02:11:52,110 --> 02:11:57,950
There's no parking on Morris Street at the end of West Pierce Street before East Pierce Street.

1858
02:11:58,570 --> 02:12:02,430
And when I look at the total scale of the parking right now,

1859
02:12:02,430 --> 02:12:07,450
your main lot is probably something about 70 spaces, the small lot, I've seen

1860
02:12:07,450 --> 02:12:13,010
as many as 12 cars and then West Pierce Street, I've counted 35 cars along

1861
02:12:13,010 --> 02:12:19,090
West Pierce Street. These Pierce Street, I've counted 15, South Morris lot across

1862
02:12:19,090 --> 02:12:32,090
her post, I've counted 30. So on that footprint, forget about where a lot of the

1863
02:12:32,090 --> 02:12:35,370
Not the middle of the week, it's the farthest out of the sun.

1864
02:12:35,490 --> 02:12:38,110
So I'm going to hold you to your three minutes, Marty.

1865
02:12:38,930 --> 02:12:40,110
I know he interrupted to you.

1866
02:12:40,350 --> 02:12:43,110
No, no, no, they had more to speak about.

1867
02:12:43,490 --> 02:12:45,890
I represent the other point of view.

1868
02:12:47,170 --> 02:12:50,150
I invited them up to get some testimony,

1869
02:12:50,370 --> 02:12:51,870
so it's a little bit different.

1870
02:12:52,410 --> 02:12:57,690
If you do the math, there will be on the license

1871
02:12:57,690 --> 02:13:06,870
I think you can see as indicated on the basis of the approval of the June 14th and you got something right and you're going to present to us at some point.

1872
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:07,850
Great.

1873
02:13:08,570 --> 02:13:11,750
And if I'm at my expires, I'm going to do what you were saying about.

1874
02:13:12,250 --> 02:13:13,070
Thank you, Marty.

1875
02:13:13,330 --> 02:13:14,490
I do appreciate your flight.

1876
02:13:14,630 --> 02:13:14,850
Yes.

1877
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:17,390
Okay.

1878
02:13:19,290 --> 02:13:20,330
Now we have a set.

1879
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:23,810
I do think we want to talk about next steps.

1880
02:13:27,250 --> 02:13:31,630
As former planning chair, what is your recommendation?

1881
02:13:36,410 --> 02:13:37,790
I think we got

1882
02:13:40,900 --> 02:13:48,940
to understand what the planning commission was talking about when they recently

1883
02:13:48,940 --> 02:13:49,720
looked at the coffin.

1884
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:52,380
Am I wrong in that they recently looked at the coffin?

1885
02:13:52,860 --> 02:13:54,320
I'm saying that the last summer.

1886
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:55,960
Last summer?

1887
02:13:56,020 --> 02:13:56,220
Last summer?

1888
02:13:56,220 --> 02:13:56,600
Long time ago.

1889
02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:57,880
Last summer?

1890
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:09,780
last 12 months. We need to get that information. And I think, well, we need to take a look

1891
02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:14,960
at all the information we can get together. I mean, we're not going to solve this in the

1892
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:19,820
meeting like this. What we need to do is have

1893
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:28,880
an open dialogue and and and control the

1894
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:39,180
open dialogue and make sure that all parties are talking to each other so we understand

1895
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:39,900
this whole thing.

1896
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:42,300
Not just we, but everybody else does.

1897
02:14:42,660 --> 02:14:43,240
Absolutely.

1898
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:44,420
Absolutely.

1899
02:14:44,900 --> 02:14:48,760
I think let's take a look at the cul-de-sac.

1900
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:51,400
Let's take a look at the estimates.

1901
02:14:51,660 --> 02:14:56,690
I am concerned as we all are concerned that it's not in this fiscal year's budget and

1902
02:14:56,690 --> 02:14:59,890
can't do it, is there something that could

1903
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:19,800
Let's be an easier solution. Let's do a workshop with the rest of our owner and whatever interested parties there are, and we'll have an agenda and try to, try to control it. We want to be polite and respectful. I know people are passionate about this, but we can still be polite.

1904
02:15:21,020 --> 02:15:27,500
What we need is open dialogs, everybody hears everybody else, but he stays in that common

1905
02:15:27,500 --> 02:15:28,100
understanding.

1906
02:15:28,620 --> 02:15:30,840
This agreement is perhaps put a comment on the stand.

1907
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:32,540
All right.

1908
02:15:32,780 --> 02:15:37,600
So we'll schedule that so that we can work on this issue.

1909
02:15:37,700 --> 02:15:42,160
We can also piggyback it on some of the election things if we run into time constraints.

1910
02:15:42,860 --> 02:15:48,500
So with that, we're going to close the workshop, and that's the last item for tonight, so

1911
02:15:48,500 --> 02:15:50,820
We can open it up for general public comment.

1912
02:15:51,380 --> 02:15:52,980
Again, state your name and your address.

1913
02:15:53,300 --> 02:15:55,720
You are not restricted to the germane topic.

1914
02:15:56,340 --> 02:15:57,740
It could be another topic.

1915
02:15:59,300 --> 02:16:00,320
Or you'll have it.

1916
02:16:00,820 --> 02:16:01,300
Thank you.

1917
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:03,120
Thank you.

1918
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:04,100
Thank you.

1919
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:04,360
Thank you.

1920
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:06,440
Anyone?

1921
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:11,180
In that case, I'll announce the future commissioner's meetings.

1922
02:16:11,180 --> 02:16:13,180
And you go home and have a nice dinner.

1923
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:18,720
So if they don't have it in front of me, because they hit it.

1924
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:22,280
August 25th is the next meeting.

1925
02:16:22,460 --> 02:16:24,640
I think that's as far as head as we need to worry about.

1926
02:16:24,980 --> 02:16:28,120
We'll be in touch with you about either the elections workshop

1927
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:29,820
or a general parking workshop.

1928
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,500
Parking is an overdue concern.

1929
02:16:33,820 --> 02:16:34,260
Period.

1930
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:35,360
End of story.

1931
02:16:35,620 --> 02:16:37,360
Both on Main Street and elsewhere.

1932
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:39,020
And Peer Street.

1933
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:39,900
All right.

1934
02:16:40,300 --> 02:16:40,560
Good night.

1935
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:41,540
No, no, no.

1936
02:16:43,140 --> 02:16:46,660
I'll make the most in the year, I'll second that.

1937
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:48,080
How was it, Dave?

1938
02:16:48,340 --> 02:16:51,280
All right, and good night, and good night.

1939
02:16:56,120 --> 02:16:56,600
Sure.