[0:04] Okay. I'm going to call to order the
[0:05] village council regular meeting Monday,
[0:07] September 8th, 2026 at 700 p.m. rise for
[0:11] the pledge of allegiance.
[0:14] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:17] United States of America and to the
[0:20] republic for which it stands, one nation
[0:23] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:26] justice for all.
[0:29] just to get agenda.
[0:30] >> Madam clerk, could you call the role,
[0:32] please? Cooks
[0:33] >> here. Kemp is absent. Nicha is absent.
[0:37] Ross here and not here.
[0:40] >> Okay. I'll make a motion to excuse Kemp
[0:42] and Nicoia, both with notice.
[0:44] >> Second.
[0:45] >> Motion by Cook, seconded by Ross. All
[0:47] those in favor say I.
[0:48] >> I.
[0:49] Any nay? Motion carries. Um, I'd like
[0:53] to make a motion to amend tonight's
[0:55] agenda to remove the second reading of
[0:57] the ebike ordinance and wait for a full
[0:59] complement of council. We're missing um
[1:01] two of our fellow council members this
[1:03] evening. I think it's an important issue
[1:05] for the um entire council to be present
[1:07] for. However, we still will hold the
[1:09] public hearing. So, any of you who are
[1:10] here to speak to the ebike ordinance,
[1:12] we'll still do that. Um but the motion
[1:15] is to remove on the agenda item 8C which
[1:19] would be the second reading in our vote
[1:22] on the eBike ordinance.
[1:24] >> Second.
[1:24] >> Okay. Motion by Cook, seconded by Ross.
[1:26] Any discussion?
[1:29] All those in favor say I.
[1:30] >> I.
[1:31] Any nay? Motion carries. Um so we
[1:35] will move right into our public hearing
[1:37] then. This is on our uh proposed
[1:40] >> the rest of the agenda.
[1:42] Did we Oh, did we not approve the rest
[1:43] of the agenda?
[1:44] >> We did not.
[1:45] >> Oh, okay. That was just a motion.
[1:46] >> Oh, I thought I thought
[1:49] >> we approved the amendment. So, let's
[1:51] just vote on the ordinance now as
[1:52] amended.
[1:53] >> Not the
[1:53] >> I mean the agenda. I'm sorry.
[1:57] >> Well, there was a Freudian slip.
[1:59] Um, let's vote on the agenda as amended.
[2:03] >> As amended. Okay. Motion to approve the
[2:05] agenda as amended.
[2:07] >> Second.
[2:07] >> Okay. All those in favor say I.
[2:09] >> I.
[2:10] Any nay? Motion carries. Thanks, M.
[2:13] >> Yeah.
[2:13] >> Okay. Um, so a public hearing. So this
[2:15] is on our ebike ordinance. Um, we the
[2:18] purpose of tonight's hearing is a public
[2:20] hearing for council to hear from anyone
[2:22] who wishes to speak to us in regards to
[2:24] the proposed ebike ordinance. So we
[2:27] don't engage in discussion. We don't
[2:28] answer questions. We just want to listen
[2:30] and hear whatever you'd like to tell us
[2:32] about that. So, um, whoever would like
[2:34] to speak, I'll just have you, um, step
[2:36] up to the podium and we'll just kind of
[2:37] go through until everybody's gotten a
[2:39] chance. Um, and if you don't mind
[2:41] stating your name, um, so we can take
[2:44] some notes, that would be great.
[2:47] >> I always say tallest first.
[2:49] >> Perfect.
[2:51] >> I read in the paper about the bike
[2:52] ordinance and actually I'm an ebike
[2:55] rider. Next month, I'll be 80 years old,
[2:57] so I'm not the one doing wheelies.
[3:00] And I I see all the things that are in
[3:02] the uh newspaper reports about them and
[3:05] I find the same thing that younger
[3:07] people haven't learned to drive yet.
[3:08] They don't know right away. So they're
[3:10] four or five in a group. They stay in
[3:12] the group and say, "Ah, they're going to
[3:13] move out of my way." And they're
[3:14] dangerous to us, too. But what I wanted
[3:16] to mention is the class of bikes. The
[3:19] first class is the class one, which is
[3:21] you have to pedal to get the assist.
[3:24] Well, that's nice. If you're a teenager
[3:25] or younger, you get to be almost 80. I
[3:28] mean, I can do it. But if you get the
[3:31] class three, which I have, my wife has.
[3:34] We rode together today. Uh, you have a
[3:37] throttle. The class one does not have a
[3:39] throttle. Say, "What's that for?" Well,
[3:42] we come to a busy intersection. I could
[3:43] hit the throttle, get started, and then
[3:46] I can pedal. The pedal only, you've got
[3:49] to get put the pressure down first
[3:51] before it helps you. And believe it or
[3:53] not, when you get a little older, it's
[3:55] more difficult to do. If you get to a
[3:58] hill, you could hit the throttle and
[3:59] have a little bit more increase, a
[4:01] little bit more help. You don't have it
[4:03] with just the pedal only. If you uh get
[4:06] a windy situation, you get a little more
[4:08] help. Now, the class 3, we can go up to
[4:11] 28 m an hour. I don't think we've been
[4:13] much over 17,
[4:16] but with that class, you have the added
[4:18] benefits. So I guess what I would like
[4:20] to see and this is all across the
[4:22] country now. I would like to see an
[4:24] exemption for seniors
[4:26] because yes the problem is the younger
[4:28] folks and like say they bother us too.
[4:31] They're having a good time but they
[4:32] don't know the rules. They don't know
[4:33] right of way. We do. We pedal all the
[4:36] time. We go by a group of youngsters.
[4:39] They're not pedaling at all. They're
[4:40] just using the motor. But that's that's
[4:42] why I think the ordinance is good to
[4:45] kind of restrict that. Maybe the class
[4:47] one just for them. But please have an
[4:49] exemption when you get a little older
[4:51] because I think you know the I had an
[4:53] agriculture teacher once told me he says
[4:56] the fewer rules made the few fewer rules
[4:59] broken and we'll be breaking rules if we ride our class 3 bikes
[5:06] >> and we love to ride. It's good health
[5:08] for us.
[5:09] >> But we won't be able to do it because
[5:11] they're not allowed on a lot of the
[5:12] trails. They won't be allowed in in in
[5:14] Oxford. But seniors are not your
[5:16] problem. It's the younger folks who
[5:18] don't know better. So, please please
[5:19] consider that.
[5:21] >> Thank you for your comments. Appreciate
[5:22] that.
[5:25] >> Anyone else?
[5:27] >> Chief Majestic.
[5:35] Uh just to say from the from our
[5:37] perspective, we have a very
[5:39] big concern over the idea of placing
[5:42] these
[5:44] the people on ebikes and taking them off
[5:47] the trails and off the safety paths and
[5:49] putting them in roads is going to be a
[5:51] big risk in my opinion. Uh, I have a
[5:54] concern of the and the funny thing is
[5:58] it's going to be the law-abiding bike
[6:01] riders who are going to get put into a
[6:02] road and I'm my concern is that we're
[6:06] going to have more bikes in the road
[6:08] simply because they can do the speed and
[6:12] we're going to have people getting put
[6:13] at risk for getting hit by cars that
[6:16] would otherwise been on the safety path
[6:18] or on the trails.
[6:20] But we will take it as it comes. But
[6:23] we're not happy.
[6:25] >> Understood. Thank you.
[6:30] » Anyone else?
[6:41] in the in the document now. Um because I
[6:45] think we addressed that whether it's in
[6:48] the street or not in the street. So
[6:49] that's been I think we addressed that
[6:51] last time, didn't we?
[6:54] >> Or am I out of
[6:55] >> We have a new document that was posted.
[6:58] >> Okay. Right.
[7:02] » Any other comments?
[7:05] Okay,
[7:10] » we'll stay here.
[7:11] >> All right. Um,
[7:13] >> sure. Yeah.
[7:18] » My name is Don Reed and I'm also an
[7:20] ebike recorder. Mine's a class two
[7:23] three, but it's very similar. Only goes
[7:25] up to 20. Um, there's two documents that
[7:29] I I hope everybody's looked at. the one
[7:31] from Oakland County. It separates the
[7:34] non-pedal version called a motor, looks
[7:38] like a motorcycle, smells like a
[7:40] motorcycle. It is a motorcycle. It
[7:42] should be under the the laws of the
[7:45] state of Michigan as a motorcycle. And
[7:47] then there's a similar document from the
[7:49] chief of police in Rochester.
[7:52] >> So I I hope these two documents are
[7:54] being considered. And I think the plus
[7:57] thing is to uh take the traffic from
[8:00] bicycles and ebikes off of the off of
[8:04] the social area downtown. And and I
[8:06] think we all agreed to that last time.
[8:08] So that's my words tonight.
[8:11] >> Great. Thank you for your comments.
[8:18] » Okay.
[8:20] If there are no other comments during
[8:23] the public hearing, then I'll move to
[8:25] close the public hearing at 70:08.
[8:29] >> Second, Cook Ross. All those in favor
[8:32] say I.
[8:33] >> I.
[8:33] Nay. Motion carries. Okay, that
[8:36] public hearing is closed.
[8:38] >> So, just a reminder to our public
[8:40] attendees today that our uh likely our
[8:42] next agenda um next month's agenda will
[8:45] contain the second reading um which will
[8:48] be posted. It's on our website already
[8:50] in the agenda packet and then council
[8:53] will vote on it at that time.
[8:56] All right. Um, next up is our general
[8:58] call to the public. So, this is an
[9:00] opportunity for anyone to uh let council
[9:04] know anything that may be on your mind.
[9:06] So, if you have anything you would like
[9:07] to um speak to council in regard to,
[9:10] please also feel free to approach the
[9:12] podium.
[9:18] Okay,
[9:20] >> seeing no one moving, I will close that
[9:24] public comment. We have another
[9:25] opportunity at the end of the meeting
[9:26] for an additional public comment.
[9:29] Um, so next up is our consent agenda and
[9:32] item A is our receive and file item. So
[9:35] I have a motion to receive and file.
[9:37] >> I'll make a motion to receive and file
[9:38] agenda items 7A 1 and two,
[9:41] correspondence, letters and
[9:42] communications and department reports.
[9:46] Stop. Okay. Ross and Nach. Um, all those
[9:49] in favor say I. I.
[9:51] >> I. Any naysay? Motion carries. And then
[9:54] do I have a motion for 7B?
[9:55] >> I'll make a motion to approve items 7B
[9:58] minutes from the August 3rd, 2026
[10:00] regular meeting bills in the amount of
[10:03] $266,000520
[10:05] sorry $266,52747.
[10:11] and the monthly budget report, treasures
[10:12] report, and budget amendments.
[10:15] >> Second.
[10:16] >> Okay. Motion by Ross against, seconded
[10:18] by Knack. Roll call vote, please.
[10:20] >> Knock.
[10:20] >> Yes.
[10:21] >> Cook,
[10:22] >> yes.
[10:22] >> Ross,
[10:23] >> yes.
[10:24] >> Motion carries. On to our unfinished or
[10:26] old business. A is our village
[10:28] administrative building. Um, Mr. Mador,
[10:31] any quick update on
[10:32] >> That's a new report. We're still working
[10:33] in the process for some drawings.
[10:35] >> Great. Any questions or comments from
[10:36] council?
[10:39] Okay. Um item 8B is our um an agenda
[10:43] item for priority our current waste
[10:45] hauler priority waste. Um representative
[10:48] representatives are here. Would you like
[10:49] to step up to the podium?
[10:51] >> Thank you.
[10:54] >> Just just by way of background priority
[10:56] is your current
[11:01] » good music. It's them ebike people.
[11:06] It's out of control. It's out of
[11:08] control.
[11:10] Our current uh waste hauler and as you
[11:13] know we've we've had some um issues and
[11:16] we did send a a termination notice of
[11:19] the contract as directed by uh the
[11:21] council, but they called and they wanted
[11:24] an opportunity to speak before council
[11:26] and uh the manager and I thought it was
[11:29] appropriate to let them have a have a a
[11:32] platform to speak to you.
[11:34] >> Thanks.
[11:35] >> Good evening. Sand Car Magnolia Priority
[11:37] Waste. Um just here to address the
[11:40] letter we received uh recently regarding
[11:42] the the cancellation termination of
[11:44] contract services. Uh while we recognize
[11:47] there have been some service issues uh
[11:50] in and around Metro Detroit, including
[11:52] your village here. Uh we have made
[11:54] tremendous strides in fixing our our
[11:57] shortcomings. uh be it the
[12:00] responsiveness, trucking issues, we've
[12:02] had uh we've had a complete change of
[12:04] management at the CEO level with
[12:07] priority waste. And I'm here tonight
[12:09] just to let you know that uh
[12:12] we'd like you to reconsider uh changing
[12:15] from priority waste to being your
[12:17] hauling contractor. uh we've got uh
[12:20] we've got methods in place and people in
[12:22] place now that will clearly uh ensure
[12:26] that the service remains at the highest
[12:28] level. Uh I've brought Mary Dean with me
[12:31] here. She was three and a half miles
[12:32] away from here. Mary worked with me at a
[12:34] prior employer. She works with me now
[12:37] and uh she will be your representative
[12:40] uh for primary waste who will stop in
[12:43] your Thursday mornings and stop by again
[12:45] Thursday afternoons uh to take whatever
[12:48] uh calls, troubles, miss services you
[12:51] have, relay them uh to our team and then
[12:54] relay them back to you uh as far as the
[12:57] completion of services. Uh, I met with
[13:00] Joe um last week, week and a half ago
[13:03] and I think there's a been a breakdown
[13:05] in communication. Joe Ford would forward
[13:08] some some mistreats or missed pickups
[13:10] and while he would get something down
[13:12] the lines of on it or we'll get it taken
[13:14] care of. There was never full
[13:16] communication back that said yes stamp
[13:19] this has been completed and it's done
[13:21] now and we'll keep an eye on such and
[13:22] such a street going forward. that
[13:24] communication lacks some and I can see
[13:26] where that that will be troubling to
[13:28] people. It's troubling to me when I see
[13:30] it. So, I'd ask for your reconsideration
[13:32] and allow us to show you what it is we
[13:35] can do uh in the way of service for your
[13:38] community. We've been doing this uh
[13:41] Mary's been in the industry a long time.
[13:43] I've been in tremendously long time. And
[13:45] uh I know that there's better there's
[13:48] better service out there. We want to
[13:50] give that to you. Any questions from
[13:53] council?
[13:55] >> When I just don't remember when did uh
[13:58] priority waste take over GFL?
[14:00] >> Well, just over two years ago. It was
[14:03] July of 204, I believe.
[14:09] » Was uh and you mentioned there's a
[14:11] change over uh ownership or management.
[14:14] When was that? Was that more recent?
[14:15] >> That was more recent. that was uh the
[14:18] CEO Todd Stamper was removed from his
[14:20] position. I believe it was February,
[14:22] midFebruary and we recently had a new
[14:24] CEO. His name is Aaron Johnson. Uh he
[14:27] was uh he had a variety of roles waste
[14:29] management and he started just about the
[14:32] end of May.
[14:34] >> So he's brought some procedural things
[14:35] in here. You know that uh we had a
[14:39] portal. We have a thing called LD and
[14:41] LDC who are the route managers that
[14:43] operate out of our Clint Township office
[14:45] and they watch the trucks on the video screen on on the computer
[14:49] tablet. But we're going back to a more
[14:52] traditional focus where we're going to
[14:54] have managers both at the site and in
[14:57] the field like you've known with with
[15:00] rubbish collection forever. So that's
[15:02] we're evolving back into that. We've got
[15:04] uh about 15 of those positions in Metro
[15:08] Detroit now and we're continuing to roll
[15:10] those roll those uh roles back to the
[15:12] operating sites where like I'm talking
[15:15] to you right now the the logistic
[15:17] manager will talk to the drivers and
[15:19] helpers on the truck. There'll be a face
[15:20] to face communication every day. We've
[15:22] been lacking that. We went to a a hard
[15:25] swing the other way and it took away the
[15:28] personal touch and the the ability to
[15:30] talk to someone face to face and pull
[15:31] them in your office if you have to.
[15:33] We're going back to that now and we're
[15:34] already seeing uh
[15:37] vast improvements in other areas and we
[15:40] expect the same.
[15:41] So, uh, you know, Sam is only one year
[15:45] older than me in the waist business,
[15:46] but, uh, the port hole concept, you
[15:49] know, if if if if you go down to Hall
[15:52] Road and you go to the structure and you
[15:54] look at the command center, it's it's an
[15:57] impressive system on when you when you
[16:00] go through the tour. But what what I
[16:02] think Sam is communicating this evening
[16:04] is that that distance and the you know
[16:07] all electronic reporting waiting for
[16:10] feedback electronically
[16:12] replaced what we all knew in growing up
[16:14] in the business of having a route
[16:16] supervisor if you will lack of better
[16:18] words. And in a lot of contracts going
[16:22] forward now you have a provision that
[16:24] companies have to assign a route
[16:26] supervisor who comes I guess your
[16:29] collection day Thursday comes in the
[16:31] morning checks in at the community
[16:33] office which would be here and then
[16:35] checks in in the evening to make sure
[16:37] everything was completed or walks away
[16:39] with a list that wasn't completed so it
[16:41] can get done. And I think what you're
[16:43] communicating is you're returning to
[16:45] that system. Not that you're abandoning
[16:47] the port hole because I know it has
[16:48] value, but that that more of a personal
[16:53] touch and I I think there's been some
[16:55] other information. You guys have uh
[16:57] purchased more vehicles which was a
[17:00] little bit of a shortage going on and I
[17:02] know you've turned over some personnel.
[17:04] I've met the new CEO at other meetings.
[17:07] Uh a long stellar background at Waste
[17:10] Management. Um a very nice individual.
[17:13] But um we did have a series of problems
[17:16] and we showed Sam the communication to
[17:20] what we kind of view as our route
[17:22] supervisor
[17:23] >> and we we just weren't getting we
[17:25] weren't getting like you said the
[17:27] communication back that things are
[17:30] happening and so we
[17:33] brought it to you and you you know you
[17:34] made a decision to at that time
[17:36] terminate the services which we did by
[17:38] letter. Um that's where we stand right
[17:42] now. Yeah, I recall we had someone from
[17:44] priority, two gentlemen from priority
[17:45] come in and I don't remember how long
[17:47] ago that was, but I don't know if any of
[17:48] the council members remember it was a
[17:50] while ago, but basically they said, you
[17:52] know, things are going to get better.
[17:54] One stood up and said, I'm kind of the
[17:55] leader, but this guy's going to be the
[17:57] one you contact. And then we never heard
[17:58] from him again. And then literally, like
[18:00] as council members, we're driving around
[18:02] like people are telling us there's still
[18:04] trash. So we're driving around taking
[18:06] pictures of it, sending it to him, who
[18:08] then is I mean it's just a crazy
[18:10] communication.
[18:11] uh way to communicate. I'll say that.
[18:15] But
[18:15] >> you can you can expect a dramatic swing
[18:17] and change back to what you were
[18:19] accustomed to. Again, I think uh James
[18:22] Taylor might have been here with Brett
[18:24] Quitquit.
[18:25] >> That's them two folks that were here.
[18:27] >> So, I've had conversation with both of
[18:29] them. That's why I'm here with with Mary
[18:31] at this point to tell you that yes,
[18:33] things are going to change and they're
[18:35] going to change in the right direction.
[18:37] You're going to have good communication.
[18:38] Joe, you're going to hear from Mary uh
[18:41] twice twice a day on Thursday and
[18:43] whoever else you deem necessary to hear
[18:45] from Mary to make sure things are
[18:46] getting done and we're going to make
[18:48] sure they get done. This is more than
[18:50] words. It's uh this is all I've ever
[18:52] done in this rubbish business with a
[18:55] couple different firms but this is all
[18:56] I've ever done. If I'm telling you it's
[18:58] going to get done, it's going to get
[18:59] done.
[19:02] >> Any other questions from
[19:04] >> I don't really have a question. Okay.
[19:06] >> I think that I haven't gotten it.
[19:10] >> Um I think we've given a lot of grace.
[19:12] It's been over two years. We have had we
[19:16] were with everyone else along with you
[19:18] when we had the transition and I think
[19:20] we gave a lot of grace as a community.
[19:23] This is the second time we're hearing
[19:25] it. We were very very nice last time and
[19:27] understanding. Okay. At this point we
[19:31] are paying double duty. We had to pay
[19:32] our DPW to go out and pick up trash.
[19:36] in the past couple months. And so I'm at
[19:40] a point where we've given a lot of
[19:42] grace. We we are very understanding of
[19:44] the situation, but the community needs
[19:47] consistent and reliable trash pickup
[19:50] and it just hasn't been proven in two
[19:53] years.
[19:55] >> Understood. That's why that's why I'm
[19:57] here tonight asking for for for a little
[19:59] more grace to show you that we can get
[20:00] this done and you can be proud of our
[20:02] service and we could be proud of our
[20:04] service for that matter. Ask me for just
[20:06] a little more time to show you what we
[20:07] can do and um uh just let let you see it
[20:11] so that it's more than words.
[20:15] >> Thank you. Well, I appreciate your time
[20:16] coming in and we'll take it into
[20:17] consideration. So,
[20:19] >> thank you very much.
[20:20] >> Thank you.
[20:24] » Okay. Next on the agenda, we move on to
[20:26] our new business items. We have our
[20:27] special event application for the
[20:29] Scarecrow Festival.
[20:32] >> U Yep. DDA annual deal. Um in a packet,
[20:36] she of course is in contact with the
[20:38] police and I believe the fire department
[20:39] to some degree on
[20:42] their setups for the day and stuff. So
[20:45] >> it's Saturday this year instead of
[20:47] Sunday.
[20:47] >> It is.
[20:48] >> So we're trying something new.
[20:49] >> We are.
[20:50] >> Okay.
[20:50] >> It used to be on Saturdays.
[20:53] >> You're welcome. Yes, we've gotten mixed
[20:56] feedback on that. So, we'll see.
[20:57] >> Okay, sounds good.
[20:59] >> Is it do they have the the the Michigan
[21:01] Ohio State game again or something?
[21:03] Michigan State game.
[21:04] >> You know, I'll be honest. I have not
[21:05] actually any football.
[21:09] >> Okay, we have a firm no over here.
[21:11] >> It only takes it only takes one second.
[21:14] >> We scheduled our open house and it was
[21:15] not very good.
[21:18] >> Okay, I take that back. We did look at
[21:20] the
[21:23] >> I'll make a motion to approve special
[21:25] event application 26-12.
[21:29] >> Second motion by Ross, seconded by
[21:31] knock. Any discussion? Hearing none. All
[21:33] those in favor say I.
[21:35] >> I.
[21:36] Any nay? Motion carries. Next is the
[21:40] Pure Michigan Trail Town designation
[21:42] discussion.
[21:43] >> Another DDA situation that Kimberly can
[21:46] expound on. She provided some
[21:47] information here as well.
[21:49] uh in your packet.
[21:51] >> Thank you.
[21:52] >> Yes.
[21:53] >> So, um a couple weeks ago, we met with
[21:56] the Oakland County Trail Administrator
[22:00] and also some members of Oakland County
[22:03] Main Street. And the reason for that
[22:05] meeting was we received this rural grant
[22:08] from through Oakland County. We're one
[22:10] of I think five or six communities that
[22:13] were receiving this grant. And one of
[22:15] the projects that is being kind of
[22:19] provided to us as an option from Main
[22:21] Street Oakland County is to
[22:25] link our trail systems together to
[22:26] create more of a regional destination
[22:29] and somehow leverage that to get people
[22:31] within our downtown. So, this was one
[22:33] piece of that to see if that would be
[22:35] something that would make sense for our
[22:36] community and our surrounding community
[22:38] during that um meeting. So, she came,
[22:42] the group came, we sat down, we talked
[22:43] about it, we looked at maps, we went for
[22:45] a walk throughout the downtown, looked
[22:47] at the trails, looked at the the
[22:49] location in conjunction with our
[22:51] downtown and how we could better um have
[22:54] better signage, how we could have
[22:56] different types of interest of getting
[22:59] people to the trail and from the trail
[23:00] to the downtown. Um, with that being
[23:03] said, one of the topics that came up and
[23:04] something that I know has been talked
[23:07] about, I can't speak to much of it
[23:09] before my time. I think Grace Perry, who
[23:11] was on our board at one point, kind of
[23:13] spearheaded
[23:14] the initiative and then I I don't know
[23:16] the history of why it didn't move
[23:18] forward, but my thought for this evening
[23:21] is just to open it up to council and see
[23:23] if this is something that would be of
[23:24] interest to council to pursue the um
[23:28] trail town
[23:30] accreditation, I guess, if you want to
[23:31] call it. Um the Polyen Trail is already
[23:34] a pure Michigan trail. So we do have
[23:37] that as an advantage um by linking that
[23:40] to
[23:41] um the trail. This would be something
[23:44] that would be submitted by the village
[23:46] because it is a village designation, a
[23:49] town designation, but obviously both
[23:51] Linda and I have had the conversation.
[23:53] Linda was I should also speak. She was
[23:54] at that meeting as well um from Polyand
[23:57] Trail and we're both in high support of
[24:00] it. So, we're I'll be happy to do
[24:02] whatever we need to do to help make that
[24:04] happen if that's something that you're
[24:06] interested in. When I originally saw the
[24:08] application, it was a January deadline,
[24:11] but then when I dug into it a little bit
[24:12] more, it's a November 1 deadline. So,
[24:16] >> here we are.
[24:19] >> Yeah, I think it's amazing. I mean,
[24:20] we're so unique having the trail so
[24:23] close to downtown and I think it would
[24:24] be incredible to link them more. You
[24:27] know, it's um it looks like you need a
[24:32] resolution support. So, would that be at
[24:34] the next meeting then so we can make
[24:37] >> Yeah. Okay. And then do you did I hear
[24:40] right like you and Linda would
[24:42] >> put all of this together?
[24:44] >> I think we would we'll have to look
[24:45] we'll sit down with Joe and kind of talk
[24:47] through who can do what.
[24:48] >> Okay.
[24:49] >> And make that happen.
[24:50] >> Yeah,
[24:50] >> absolutely. Do do they have a a format
[24:53] for the resolution that they provide you
[24:56] or would we be starting from scratch?
[24:58] >> I'm sure I can talk to other
[25:00] municipalities that have process.
[25:03] Absolutely.
[25:03] >> That's a good help.
[25:04] >> We will absolutely get all the help we
[25:07] can get. Yeah.
[25:08] >> So we don't have to appreciate any.
[25:09] >> Sometimes they have a template they
[25:11] like.
[25:11] >> Yeah.
[25:14] >> What are the additional costs?
[25:17] >> I don't believe there are any costs.
[25:21] because I mean it just look and so just
[25:24] by looking and you know it has you know
[25:27] making sure that you know there's
[25:28] signage and and and and bathrooms and
[25:32] barrierfree and and you know we have to
[25:36] have events and we're you know this and
[25:39] just looking there's a lot of there's a
[25:41] lot of things that need to be that need
[25:45] to be done every time. So I I think that
[25:48] would be my only question is what
[25:50] additional costs are there and who is
[25:53] responsible
[25:54] >> who's responsible for those costs.
[25:55] >> I think that's a great question. I think
[25:56] when it comes to the signage that would
[25:58] be either DDA or trail, right?
[26:00] >> Um
[26:02] >> I know that there's a plan a it says a
[26:05] sustainable business maintenance and
[26:06] marketing plan. So that would be
[26:08] something that we would have to dig into
[26:09] a little bit deeper. Um, again, this is
[26:12] just more of a exploratory conversation
[26:14] to see before we start putting effort
[26:16] into it and time if this is something
[26:18] you would support. Um, but I think
[26:21] that's a great question because that
[26:23] could be a differentiator. I know we do
[26:25] have a lot of facilities on the trail.
[26:27] We don't have anything in the village
[26:29] very close to the trail when it comes to
[26:31] like a bathroom.
[26:33] >> So, that would be something,
[26:35] >> right? So, and I think because that
[26:37] would be helpful because like you said,
[26:38] it's like they it's like, oh, we have to
[26:39] have a board. Is this something that the
[26:41] polyan trail board can do right now so
[26:44] we don't have to duplicate
[26:46] >> trying to get more volunteers to
[26:47] volunteer for another thing?
[26:50] >> So, it I think that would just be, you
[26:52] know, what are dup what are things that
[26:54] we're already doing that are already
[26:56] mark off this list,
[26:58] >> right?
[26:58] >> Just to make it a little bit easier so
[27:00] we know where where the holes are. But I think other than that I I think it
[27:04] sounds great. I think it's a good
[27:05] opportunity.
[27:06] >> I think just people
[27:11] >> about all the other stuff.
[27:12] >> Yeah.
[27:12] >> Yep.
[27:14] >> Question
[27:15] maybe.
[27:17] Um,
[27:19] November 1st feels like a very
[27:20] aggressive deadline since most I mean
[27:23] you need our approval,
[27:25] >> polyan trail approval, potentially the
[27:28] school board approval and a program
[27:30] around the trail on here as well
[27:33] >> that maybe it feels more realistic for
[27:35] next November. Is that an option?
[27:38] >> It is absolutely an option. Yes.
[27:40] >> Not that I want to delay, but it this is
[27:43] a lot to get through
[27:46] >> and
[27:47] everything that you said too.
[27:50] >> So, yeah, absolutely an option. I don't
[27:53] want to cut any corners. I want to make
[27:55] sure that we're thinking through this
[27:57] properly and we have a very sustainable
[27:59] plan and make sure that everybody is on
[28:01] board before we move forward with it.
[28:03] So, absolutely an option to wait and
[28:05] proceed next year.
[28:08] >> Yeah, that might be yeah, smart and
[28:10] necessary. Um, I would be fine if we do
[28:13] get it together to submit, but fine also
[28:15] next year. I'm curious if like um I
[28:19] guess the village staff or the DDA think
[28:21] that like maybe this is instead of like
[28:24] this in addition to everything that we
[28:26] already do, like is there something that
[28:28] we don't do and do this instead? Like
[28:31] does does the DDA see that this would
[28:33] bring more business to downtown or not
[28:35] really? you know, I mean that says like
[28:38] I think Regina mentioned like
[28:40] >> you know there needs to be an annual
[28:41] trail related project or event which
[28:43] could be a smaller project or it could
[28:45] be
[28:46] >> it could be something we're already
[28:47] doing
[28:48] >> or something we're already doing that
[28:49] could tie in. Yeah, that's why I'm kind
[28:50] of curious.
[28:51] >> Yeah. So we partnered with the trail
[28:53] through the spring of the cleanup. So
[28:55] that could be a very easy a very easy
[28:57] thing. Um
[28:59] >> do I think that it's going to bring
[29:01] tremendous amount of people? I don't
[29:03] know. I think that's what we're
[29:04] exploring as we're talking through kind
[29:06] of synergizing with the trails and our
[29:08] surrounding communities and how we can do that and if that's something
[29:13] that's all of those communities are
[29:14] interested in doing and willing to
[29:16] utilize that money for. So
[29:18] >> it it may from a timing standpoint make
[29:20] more sense too to see if we're going to
[29:22] be working with other neighboring
[29:24] communities and if we're all trying to
[29:26] become a trail town or you know at least
[29:29] one of us can use that as a marketing
[29:32] opportunity. Yeah,
[29:33] >> I think the larger goal whether we're a
[29:37] trail town or not is really to get those
[29:39] individuals from the trail to our
[29:41] downtown and vice versa and keeping that
[29:44] pedestrian friendly feeling.
[29:46] >> Um I think a lot of people don't know
[29:49] how to get from the trail to downtown
[29:51] and that was something we had a lot of
[29:53] conversation around of what are some of
[29:54] things that we could be doing. This
[29:56] would add to that that wouldn't solve
[29:58] it.
[29:59] >> Right. Yeah. Personally, I have a
[30:02] colleague Pete Webster who is a great
[30:05] >> biker bicyclist and he takes the trail
[30:07] all the time. So, he comes to Oxford all
[30:08] the time, but he stops at White Pine
[30:10] Coffee Roasters because it's right
[30:11] there.
[30:12] >> If we could bring, you know, people like
[30:13] him into downtown for lunch or whatever
[30:16] else helps, too. It would really help.
[30:17] So, I just wonder how much
[30:19] >> Yeah. How many extra I know we've been
[30:20] working for a long time. I mean, we even
[30:22] talked about like having people like
[30:25] trolley from Waterstone into downtown. I
[30:27] mean, we've had so many ideas. So, I
[30:28] wonder if this is like a section of the population that
[30:32] actually isn't touched as much as it
[30:34] could be and maybe something like this
[30:36] would help. So
[30:36] >> yeah, absolutely.
[30:38] >> This would be a fun designation to have.
[30:40] I still think we can do the work.
[30:42] >> Okay.
[30:43] >> Without this designation. So maybe it's
[30:45] the chicken and the egg and maybe I'm
[30:46] putting the cart for the horse, but I'm
[30:49] like a lot of little
[30:52] things right now. But truly, if we're
[30:54] the goal is to do that regardless of
[30:56] whether we want have want to have that
[30:59] designation as a trail town, we are
[31:00] going to be working on that as part of
[31:02] our goal process is getting people from
[31:05] the trail to downtown and vice versa.
[31:07] And we do have
[31:09] >> the leveraging of the bike shop and they
[31:11] already have bike rides twice a week
[31:13] throughout the nicer months where we
[31:15] have people meeting at the bike shop.
[31:17] They're patronizing the local businesses
[31:19] surrounding the bike shop and then
[31:21] they're very familiar with how to get to
[31:22] the trail back. It's just a matter of,
[31:25] >> you know, other um individuals who maybe
[31:27] don't
[31:30] >> they're not that active and they're more
[31:31] leisure riders. And so, how do you get
[31:33] them from the neighborhoods to downtown?
[31:35] We talked about, you know, when we went
[31:37] for the walk, we were walking through a
[31:38] neighborhood and
[31:39] >> the trail administrator said, "So, how
[31:41] did you feel that walk went?" And we
[31:43] were like, "Oh, well, the sidewalk was a
[31:45] little
[31:46] narrow and the brush was kind of over
[31:48] the sidewalk and she's like, you know,
[31:51] do you think bikers are going to be
[31:52] interested in riding their bikes down
[31:54] the sidewalk?" Absolutely not. You know,
[31:56] so just kind of looking at that as well.
[31:58] So, it's not necessarily 100% just with
[32:01] the trails, but it's certainly a
[32:03] component.
[32:05] >> Could we do the resolution next month
[32:07] and then
[32:09] >> leave it? Yeah. to be that way. The
[32:10] resolutions completed and we can work on
[32:12] it. If we're ready by November, great.
[32:14] If not, we go next year.
[32:15] >> Yeah. Would that work?
[32:16] >> May have to update it next year because
[32:18] they might want more more
[32:20] >> more recent one if next year if it
[32:21] doesn't happen. But
[32:21] >> we could we could we could get the
[32:23] resolution get a template. We get the
[32:26] resolution done and approved
[32:28] >> at the next meeting.
[32:30] Madam Kelsey, so a couple years ago, the
[32:33] Polyian Trail did obtain the Pure
[32:35] Michigan Trailway Trail and so it's it's
[32:37] listed in some of the Pure Michigan Pure
[32:39] Michigan designation and some of their
[32:41] article or uh promotional materials and
[32:43] stuff as well.
[32:44] >> Yeah.
[32:44] >> So, and by having them and then their
[32:46] board and Linda of course as well would
[32:48] be helpful in all of that.
[32:49] >> Yeah, she's been fantastic.
[32:53] >> Great. Thank you.
[32:54] >> Thank you.
[32:55] >> Great. Thanks.
[32:57] Okay, next up is our downtown quadrant
[33:01] parking restrictions for overnight snow
[33:03] removal.
[33:03] >> So, I can speak to this briefly if
[33:05] Kimberly can chime in if needed. So, um
[33:07] obviously um this is we we're moving
[33:10] down that path of working with PPW and and the DDA by the the equipment has
[33:15] been ordered. Um supposed to be here
[33:17] around middle of October, something like
[33:19] that. um the Ventrak which is like
[33:21] $50,000 plus investment from the DDA. We
[33:24] have put together a uh Rudy and Kimberly
[33:27] mostly um a plan to roll out to the
[33:31] businesses to explain what it is and
[33:32] what it isn't more importantly.
[33:34] >> Uh and I think some uh outreach
[33:36] throughout this fall will be good for
[33:38] that. One of the things on the back
[33:40] sides of the quadrant businesses mostly
[33:43] is um we have some residents who park
[33:45] along those um sidewalks right behind
[33:48] the businesses. So, if they come in in
[33:49] the morning, they already have to deal
[33:51] with that when they're trying to do a
[33:52] parking lot at 4 in the morning. If
[33:54] somebody's lives upstairs, they park
[33:55] there overnight. It's hard for them to
[33:57] clear spaces and stuff. Years ago, there
[33:59] was a permit process even in the
[34:01] downtown where if you were lived in one
[34:03] of those downtown
[34:04] lofts, whatever upstairs apartments, you
[34:06] had a permit and you had to park along
[34:08] the back, like the back of the wall here
[34:10] on Hudson Street or the back side of
[34:11] somewhere else. And, you know, like
[34:13] everything else, those things kind of
[34:14] fade and lose their impetence. Um
[34:19] perhaps we have to revisit that at least
[34:21] maybe some signage along it that there's
[34:23] no overnight parking along the curb um
[34:26] because if they're going to come in and
[34:27] have to do parking lots a that's going
[34:29] to be the priority always roads and
[34:31] parking lots and then pivot to um the
[34:33] sidewalks along 24 on the front but as
[34:35] well as some of the on the back at least
[34:37] a swoop down east quadrant along the
[34:39] back. Um it would be better because the
[34:42] goal then with that is to push it into
[34:43] the parking lot and then come and remove
[34:45] it from that parking area. Mhm.
[34:47] >> And when they're trying to do this at
[34:49] 4:00, 5, 6:00 in the morning,
[34:51] >> you know, it it's hard if there's
[34:52] vehicles in the way. And flip side of it
[34:55] is true. If somebody comes home at night
[34:56] and there's nowhere to park
[34:58] >> but the spot up there along that
[35:00] sidewalk, well, we're not expecting them
[35:02] to come out at midnight and move their
[35:03] car,
[35:03] >> right?
[35:04] When the other place is closed.
[35:06] So I think we may have to reinvigorate
[35:09] that uh education from that process of
[35:12] those who live upstairs to make them
[35:14] understand that that's not allowed to
[35:16] park along that curb or along the
[35:18] sidewalk. I mean right behind the
[35:19] businesses
[35:22] predominantly for the uh snow removal
[35:24] issue that's going to be taken taken up.
[35:26] >> Would that be year round or just during
[35:27] the winter months where we get snow?
[35:29] >> Well, it's it's
[35:32] the less deviations I suppose the
[35:34] better. Mhm.
[35:35] >> And I don't think people mind as much
[35:37] working back in the summer months.
[35:39] >> Sure.
[35:41] >> It it would be a bit of a um not well
[35:44] received perhaps that somebody says,
[35:45] "Hey, I come home at night. There's
[35:46] nobody in this lot. I live upstairs. I
[35:48] parked right here. Now you're telling me
[35:49] I got to park, you know, 100 ft away if
[35:51] you're in that northwest lot or
[35:52] something."
[35:54] >> Um so they won't love. Now perhaps all
[35:55] we say is no parking along the curb. We
[35:57] don't care if they're in the one first
[35:58] row back.
[35:59] >> Mhm.
[36:00] >> Right.
[36:02] The old process made them, I think, stay
[36:04] along the very back.
[36:06] >> I don't think we need to go there. We
[36:08] just need to ensure that there's nothing
[36:10] along that back sidewalk cuz if they
[36:13] come in and do that additional new plen
[36:16] >> and if if if council doesn't want us to
[36:19] do that, then it'll be worked around.
[36:22] >> Um the DPW would prefer to have it like
[36:24] it used to be where there was no parking
[36:26] overnight along those back sidewalks. if
[36:28] now that they're going to be responsible
[36:29] for the cars hanging over a foot into
[36:31] the, you know, the area perhaps of the
[36:33] sidewalk that they're supposed to clear
[36:34] and push them into the parking lot. Now
[36:36] they kind of got to go around it or
[36:38] >> Yeah. So,
[36:39] >> are you saying there is a current
[36:40] ordinance in place where
[36:41] >> I don't know if I'd have to double check
[36:42] that. I didn't
[36:43] >> any local
[36:44] >> It was just more of a permit, a local
[36:47] parking permit that was in place years
[36:48] ago.
[36:49] >> Okay.
[36:49] >> For upstairs residents,
[36:51] >> what's the enforcement like of it then?
[36:53] At this point there is it's just occur
[36:55] like you're just going to ask people not
[36:57] to do it.
[36:58] >> Well,
[36:59] police enforce enforce signage as
[37:02] written. So if it was signed along there
[37:04] would say no no overnight parking in
[37:06] these spaces or along the
[37:07] >> but there are
[37:09] >> it was really just
[37:12] >> common courtesy But yeah, I wouldn't
[37:16] want to have to get into the permits and
[37:17] tracking who because people come and go
[37:18] and then and they go away and we don't
[37:20] know. There could have been 30 people
[37:21] moved to the southwest lot this summer
[37:23] and I have no idea.
[37:24] >> Yeah.
[37:24] >> The landlord sometimes pays the water
[37:26] bills. We don't know people are coming
[37:27] and going necessarily. They're supposed
[37:28] to update us with a rental ordinance.
[37:30] >> Yeah.
[37:30] >> Right.
[37:31] >> Yeah. Mhm.
[37:32] >> Um
[37:33] >> so you do want to put signs up. Is that
[37:34] what you're saying? Or
[37:35] >> as much as we don't want to overdo
[37:37] signage because we already have some
[37:39] 15-minute here and customer parking
[37:40] only. I think there's a larger
[37:44] conversations with the DDA and DPW
[37:47] myself and then of course with council's
[37:48] feedback to say how do we want to handle
[37:50] this now that we've taken upon
[37:53] our plate to do the sidewalk
[37:56] >> Mhm.
[37:56] >> on the back sides
[37:59] that's going to be difficult if there's
[38:01] cars parked along there.
[38:03] >> Yeah.
[38:03] >> I mean I suppose you could make it go
[38:06] along with you know there no parking on
[38:09] village streets during a snow emergency
[38:11] anyway. occur would necessarily
[38:13] constitute an emergency for plowing
[38:16] purposes. I think be difficult to
[38:20] decide. So, you know, maybe it is
[38:22] something that unfortunately, as much as
[38:25] we don't want to, it becomes like a
[38:28] December through March kind of
[38:31] situation.
[38:32] >> Yeah, we have the uh snow season
[38:34] outlined in our snow removal ordinance.
[38:36] Perhaps you would update that ordinance
[38:38] or just refer to that or just use the
[38:39] same time frame, something along those
[38:40] lines. I think we because we allow the
[38:42] one notice per season and I think that
[38:45] starts maybe November 1st
[38:47] >> through March, something like that is in
[38:49] their ordinance. That's when you would
[38:51] get your one um warning if you're not um
[38:54] shoving your sidewalk.
[38:55] >> Yeah. So for practical application of
[38:57] this, say you say it's December to March
[39:00] or whatever, no parking at the curb and
[39:04] there's no snow, so people park at the
[39:05] curb. You're not going to come ticket
[39:07] them for parking at the curb.
[39:09] And if they are parked there when you
[39:11] need to push it off,
[39:12] >> then they say, "Well, I didn't know it
[39:13] was going to snow last night."
[39:14] >> Then your the car's still there, right?
[39:16] So, and then you take it and you have to
[39:17] wait for the tow truck to come.
[39:19] >> Mhm.
[39:19] >> So, I don't think we have a definition
[39:21] of emergency.
[39:22] >> No.
[39:23] >> And that's and that's
[39:24] >> wondering how practically how are we
[39:26] going to fix it? Cooperative
[39:29] >> people.
[39:30] >> Yeah.
[39:31] >> Which come and go. That's that's the
[39:32] issue there. So behavior issue that
[39:36] >> when we had we we put in the alone to
[39:39] wall here on Hudson Street, the brick
[39:40] wall that was constantly getting hit cuz
[39:42] people would back in predominantly
[39:43] trucks back in and hit it with their
[39:44] hips and they roll forward a few inches.
[39:46] >> Sometimes we would know who it was and
[39:47] we'd be able to subregate against their
[39:49] insurance company for the repairs and
[39:50] sometimes we weren't able to and it was
[39:51] a $10,000 repair that our insurance
[39:53] company had to pay. Yeah,
[39:54] >> that's why we changed those signs to no
[39:56] back in parking, you know, pulling in.
[39:59] >> And I worked with the police department
[40:01] at that time say, you know, this is new,
[40:04] give some warnings, you know, to people
[40:06] perhaps this would be new for these
[40:09] parking people as well, we and perhaps
[40:11] they could if this happening during that
[40:13] time frame, they could give them a
[40:14] notice warning
[40:15] >> and then one or two warnings and then
[40:17] they're getting a ticket.
[40:18] >> Mhm. kind of like, you know, when they
[40:20] see them no parking, whatever after this
[40:22] hour and they go by or this time frame
[40:25] and they go by and they see them there.
[40:27] >> Yeah.
[40:28] >> They could write them because they're
[40:29] violating or disobeying the
[40:32] >> the signage.
[40:33] >> Mhm.
[40:35] >> But if it's clear in black and white,
[40:37] that helps, right?
[40:38] >> No parking law here from November 1
[40:41] through
[40:42] >> March 31, whatever it is.
[40:44] >> Chief, is if there's signage, it's
[40:46] enforceable, right? It's it's
[40:48] enforcable, but like Joe says, I mean,
[40:50] it's it's discretionary. I mean, we'll have a conversation. We'll talk to
[40:53] them, make sure we get all on the same
[40:54] page. It's it's not about writing as
[40:56] many TIS as we can, but getting
[40:58] everybody on the same page as far as
[40:59] what the signage is for and why it's
[41:02] there and what we can do to get the
[41:04] situation.
[41:08] » Yes.
[41:09] >> Any comments, thoughts? Open to whatever
[41:12] the suggestion is.
[41:14] >> Yeah.
[41:15] >> Whatever works best for DPW. Yeah.
[41:17] >> Yeah.
[41:18] >> It's already going to be a challenge
[41:20] this year for them to take it on
[41:22] >> and then to again managing expectations
[41:24] is the biggest challenge,
[41:25] >> right?
[41:26] >> The physical part of it, the physical
[41:28] part of it and knowing we we the
[41:30] document and and we've worked on I've
[41:31] helped with Rudy and stuff as the
[41:33] process and the priorities
[41:35] >> what they're doing and what they're not
[41:36] doing
[41:37] >> is is important.
[41:40] >> Yeah.
[41:40] >> And this is just another part of the
[41:41] educating those others up there. And now
[41:43] we have um contact information for the
[41:45] renters and stuff and we can send them
[41:46] notices in the mail too. Please share
[41:48] this with your tenants.
[41:49] >> Yeah.
[41:50] >> You know, share it with them.
[41:51] >> I'm sure the tenants would appreciate
[41:53] having it, you know, shovel and cloud
[41:55] off too. So maybe they cooperate
[41:57] naturally. But
[41:58] >> could be some good will there.
[41:59] >> Yeah. You know, they get up at 7:00 in
[42:01] the morning, walk out, and now they can
[42:02] actually go out there and get to it.
[42:04] >> That would be nice.
[42:05] >> Yeah. Again, it's it's a it's a big
[42:08] step, I think, to have the DPD step up
[42:09] to do this. Obviously that the DDA is
[42:11] funding for the equipment and
[42:12] everything.
[42:13] >> Uh and we're
[42:15] >> we just got to make sure try to make it
[42:16] fire in all cylinders if we can.
[42:18] >> Yeah. I I I think it's probably the most
[42:20] reasonable thing to do all things
[42:22] considered if you know
[42:24] >> we we we had semi made this decision
[42:27] when we decided we were going to plow
[42:28] sidewalks anyway.
[42:30] >> So you know
[42:31] >> we just want to make it better and
[42:32] easier for the DPW to do it.
[42:34] >> Mhm. And and again, I mean, a lot of
[42:37] this is for the residents and for the
[42:39] business owners down there anyway.
[42:42] >> So,
[42:42] >> well, I think when they see the what's
[42:44] happening, it could bring on good
[42:46] behavior
[42:47] >> to keep it happening easier and easier.
[42:50] >> Now, the problem like the only problem I
[42:54] see with it is again, somebody rolls in,
[42:56] they work somewhere, they roll in at
[42:57] 10:00 at night, and there are no spots
[42:59] except for the ones along the curb.
[43:01] >> Yeah, I would be parking there.
[43:03] >> I would grab them,
[43:04] >> right? what what are they going to do?
[43:06] >> Right. So,
[43:08] >> maybe to some degree there's um the
[43:11] police, especially in this new
[43:14] >> year,
[43:15] >> could breeze through there in the
[43:16] evening and say, "All right, um this car
[43:18] showed up." You know, I know there's
[43:20] sometimes just one officer on and they
[43:22] can't be
[43:23] >> cruising through every parking lot every
[43:25] 30 minutes,
[43:26] >> but um a little help on their end will
[43:27] help be helpful like they do now. They
[43:29] watch the streets for the DPW. when it's
[43:31] starts sleeping at 3:00 in the morning,
[43:33] they're on the phone with PW.
[43:36] A little bit of help on their end will
[43:37] help us.
[43:38] >> Yeah,
[43:40] sounds good.
[43:40] >> All right. Just kind of want to get you
[43:42] guys. That's kind of where we're leaning
[43:43] and
[43:43] >> Mhm.
[43:44] >> let you know the who and the why.
[43:45] >> Yeah. Whatever makes DPW job easiest.
[43:48] >> Yeah. And again, it'll make it better
[43:50] for a better because then if somebody
[43:52] comes out, rolls out at at 8 in the
[43:55] morning and then there's this big spot
[43:56] missed on the sidewalk, it's wow, they
[43:58] didn't do this. Mhm.
[43:59] >> Oh, yeah. Mhm.
[44:01] >> So, we're just trying to make it better.
[44:03] >> Yeah. I'm sure the snow situation will
[44:05] be better this year than it has been,
[44:07] thanks to the TDA figuring it out.
[44:09] >> And now, this guarantees it won't snow
[44:11] this year.
[44:12] >> So, we're cool, right?
[44:14] >> Yes.
[44:15] >> Hey, if that machine sits in the barn
[44:17] over there in the anti-heated barn all
[44:19] winter, I think we're all okay with it.
[44:21] >> Except for
[44:23] >> Exactly. We're good.
[44:26] >> All right.
[44:26] >> Okay. Thank you.
[44:27] >> Yeah.
[44:28] >> All right. Next up in our new business
[44:29] is the veteran's rockw walk. And that
[44:32] just looks like um it's just the
[44:34] insurance.
[44:35] >> Yeah. And normally when someone just
[44:37] rents the park, we we get a simple
[44:38] thing, but this, you know, gentleman,
[44:40] he's out of state and his his father or
[44:42] grandpa was tied into the Veterans
[44:43] Memorial in Oran Township or Lake Oran.
[44:46] And um I I could tell I'm like, "Okay,
[44:49] you probably don't have the insurance
[44:50] and stuff, right?" I Well, then let me
[44:51] send this to you. And
[44:52] >> Mhm.
[44:53] >> It's simple. They bre they start in the
[44:54] morning and then they they hike down
[44:56] there. And this year actually someone
[44:57] want to hike back.
[44:58] >> Okay. So before they would hike away and
[45:00] then someone would pick them up and
[45:00] they'd rendevous.
[45:02] >> Yeah.
[45:02] >> Um and and he's aware and I assured that
[45:05] the parking how we would prefer them to
[45:06] park in our
[45:08] >> back lot here off Hudson
[45:09] >> so we don't
[45:10] >> fill that lot with cars and walk out of
[45:12] town.
[45:13] >> Perfect.
[45:15] >> All right.
[45:17] >> I'll make a motion to approve the
[45:19] insurance coverage request for the
[45:22] veterans work.
[45:23] >> Second. Okay. Motion by Ross, seconded
[45:25] by Knock. Any discussion? Hearing none.
[45:28] All those in favor say I.
[45:30] >> I.
[45:30] Any nays? Motion carries. Um and our
[45:34] final new business is the planning
[45:35] commission zoning ordinance amendment
[45:37] recommendation.
[45:38] >> Uh yep. And then council member Knack
[45:41] was at the meeting and she went through
[45:42] this process. Um anything you'd like to
[45:44] expound on? Um, you know, I I think at
[45:47] the end of the day, we spent a lot of
[45:49] time kind of working out, you know,
[45:52] looking at all the maps and how things
[45:54] are currently zoned and what is, you
[45:57] know, what buildings are already there
[45:59] and what's potential for, you know, if
[46:01] you knock all the buildings down and and
[46:03] all of the things. And um I I think it's
[46:07] more than reasonable as you know
[46:11] in some of our thinking on of this was
[46:14] the fact that we've already
[46:19] we haven't had issues trying to get a
[46:21] lot of these areas developed, but we're
[46:23] not doing ourselves any favors by
[46:26] currently kind of keeping this zoned as
[46:30] it is. It's just it's not a very um it's
[46:34] not very friendly to a lot of developers
[46:36] and by doing this it isn't substantially
[46:39] changing you know any part of the plans
[46:42] that we have. I just I think it gives us
[46:44] a little bit more options.
[46:46] >> Um and I and I thought that it was it was an excellent discussion and
[46:51] they we definitely kind of asked they
[46:54] asked a lot of those questions about the
[46:56] whatifs a hundred years from now and th
[46:59] and those kind of things. So I I think
[47:01] that it was is very well put together
[47:03] and um is it's very reasonable.
[47:09] >> Thank you.
[47:12] >> So this comes from the planning
[47:14] commission with a recommendation for
[47:16] approval
[47:17] recognizing only the legislative body
[47:20] can can do this kind of zoning work.
[47:24] >> Right. And you know, and I think a lot
[47:26] of the concern was, you know, all of a
[47:29] sudden we're going to have
[47:31] >> threestory towering buildings.
[47:34] >> Um, and I can understand the concern
[47:38] about it, but you know, as it stands
[47:40] now, we already, you know, it's I I
[47:44] think it wouldn't be that substantially
[47:45] different than what we're doing. We're
[47:47] not looking for like a downtown Royal
[47:49] Oak with eight five stories, eight
[47:52] stories. So, um I don't think it's very
[47:54] different. Plus, one of the issues that
[47:56] we also, you know, people really a lot
[47:59] of developers and those we're running
[48:02] into is, you know, if we have these
[48:04] certain requirements, well, where are
[48:05] people going to park?
[48:07] >> And if you're pretty much eating up all
[48:09] of the parking on the first floor,
[48:11] >> what are you going to you're going to
[48:12] have a one, you know, a a one floor, you
[48:16] know, a a onelevel condo or something?
[48:19] And it just it makes it very difficult.
[48:21] So, It's like well I you know at the end
[48:24] of the day that that kind of makes a lot
[48:26] of sense.
[48:27] >> Y
[48:27] >> so
[48:29] I don't
[48:34] » and again this this change is with um
[48:37] restricted to the form based co overlay
[48:39] district which is shown on that map.
[48:41] >> Obviously the rest it doesn't there's
[48:43] other areas RM zoning um where the
[48:45] condos are and where the apartments are
[48:47] in South Pontiac that aren't affected by
[48:49] this.
[48:49] >> Right.
[48:52] But a lot of this is really like the
[48:54] majority of this RM it's already
[48:56] developed. Like if you if you start to
[48:58] overlay it onto a map,
[49:01] >> it's very small. Like you're talking
[49:02] about like over by the post office,
[49:04] >> right?
[49:04] >> Like there's nothing there anyway. And
[49:07] it's
[49:09] um so I I think it's I can't remember. I
[49:13] think they do you remember what they
[49:15] said like it what it was like 2 acres or
[49:17] something of property that potentially
[49:19] could be developed right now.
[49:21] >> Um I don't remember that number it on
[49:24] the vacant part. I think I think the
[49:27] Hampton block property which is actually
[49:28] three different parcels um is more than
[49:31] two but that that's one of the large
[49:32] ones again the layout of it and then the
[49:34] adjacent one to it the old railroad
[49:36] grade portion long and narrow it very
[49:39] difficult they really need to combine
[49:41] them in our master plan those are
[49:42] combined development those two uh on the
[49:45] east side there
[49:46] >> which would make best to try to develop
[49:48] them separately it' be tough because
[49:49] you're setbacks stuff like that but we
[49:52] can nevertheless um they they uh with
[49:54] parking area and surface area being
[49:56] limited.
[49:57] >> Mhm.
[49:57] >> They need to maybe put some parking
[49:58] underneath on the on the base floor and
[50:01] then your second and third then become
[50:02] your livable space,
[50:03] >> right?
[50:04] >> And then all the C1 transition and
[50:06] stuff. We do allow three stories
[50:07] already.
[50:08] >> Mhm. So,
[50:09] >> okay. I'll make a motion to approve the
[50:11] proposed amendment to section 342 of the
[50:13] zoning ordinance um as recommended by
[50:16] the planning commission.
[50:19] >> Second. Okay.
[50:20] >> Motion by Cook, seconded by Knock. Any
[50:22] discussion from councel?
[50:26] Council member Ross is pondering this.
[50:29] Okay.
[50:30] >> Roll call.
[50:30] >> Thank you.
[50:31] >> All right. Roll call vote, please.
[50:33] >> Knock.
[50:34] >> Yes.
[50:34] >> Cook.
[50:35] >> Yes.
[50:36] >> Ross,
[50:36] >> yes.
[50:37] >> All right. Motion carries. That is
[50:39] approved. There are no items removed
[50:42] from the consent agenda. So, we'll move
[50:43] to our second instance of public
[50:45] comments. If anyone would like to speak
[50:47] to councel at this time. Now is your
[50:49] second and final opportunity this
[50:51] evening.
[50:53] >> Chief,
[50:56] >> I don't know about that.
[51:00] » Yeah, that's tough.
[51:02] >> Um, talk about the ebikes. Oh, good
[51:05] evening everybody. Talk about the ebikes tonight. I mean,
[51:09] our biggest concern with as the police
[51:11] is that ebikes is is so popular right
[51:14] now. You've got a few out there right
[51:16] now and you're going to have a lot more
[51:18] and we're going to have all these bikes
[51:19] on these sidewalks where folks are
[51:21] trying to walk. I understand like I
[51:22] listen to the folks that talked here
[51:24] tonight about well it gives them the
[51:25] ampage to get up and get going. I don't
[51:28] know if we really want all that traffic
[51:29] on our sidewalks. I certainly don't want
[51:31] them on the roads either. The law does
[51:33] state ebikes are legal in the state of
[51:35] Michigan as long as they have fully
[51:36] operational pedals, a seat saddle,
[51:38] electric motor of no more than 750
[51:41] watts. And I looked up what watts are.
[51:43] That means 20 to 28 miles per hour.
[51:45] That's pretty fast in a sidewalk. Um,
[51:48] but using how they what they were
[51:50] mentioning in our audience today, I get
[51:52] how that gets them up there and I hate
[51:53] to take take that away from those folks,
[51:56] but I'm just worried about the increased
[51:57] traffic as the popularity grows with
[51:59] these ebikes on these sidewalks.
[52:01] certainly a fan of the the not having
[52:03] the ebikes downtown with our folks uh
[52:05] coming out in and out of businesses and
[52:07] the sidewalks downtown. Um growing up in
[52:11] my 33 years as a police officer, it was
[52:13] never allowed no motorized vehicle on a
[52:15] sidewalk period unless it was a
[52:17] wheelchair. That was it. Um but times
[52:20] are changing. So
[52:22] just as the police department, we want
[52:23] to make sure that whatever we're doing
[52:24] that we're doing fair for everybody. So,
[52:26] we want to take it away from everybody,
[52:28] but we also have to be smart about it
[52:30] and have something for us to to give us
[52:33] some kind of a T just to kind of enforce
[52:35] that if we can. But that's where we have
[52:37] the discretion.
[52:39] We're we're looking for the ones that
[52:40] are, you know, they're doing the
[52:43] wheelies or doing the 360s on the
[52:44] wheels. And a lot of times those aren't
[52:46] ebikes. Those are little motorcycles or
[52:48] scooters, whatever they have. And those
[52:49] are a different classification. And
[52:50] those are different. That's
[52:51] automatically against the law. You can't
[52:53] do that. So, um, it reminds me of the
[52:55] skateboard rule that we had downtown
[52:57] when we had such an issue with the
[52:58] skateboards downtown. We couldn't figure
[53:01] out a way to, we don't want to take a
[53:03] skateboard away from Johnny because he's
[53:05] just having a good time and he's
[53:06] innocent. He's not Well, what they're
[53:08] doing is they're jumping off property.
[53:10] They're shaving concrete. They're doing
[53:11] damage to property. They are impeding
[53:14] other people's, you know, want to just
[53:17] hang out in the park and not have all
[53:18] these skateboards jumping around. So, we
[53:20] had to come up with an ordinance. We had
[53:22] to come up with some teeth to give us
[53:24] something to say, "All right, hey,
[53:26] listen. This is the rule. You're not
[53:27] going to listen. We're going to take the
[53:28] skateboard. Have your mom and dad bring
[53:31] you to the station. Here's your
[53:32] skateboard back. Here's a copy of the
[53:34] ordinance. Please don't do that again.
[53:36] And these are the reasons why. We're not
[53:38] just trying to be the we don't take the
[53:40] toy away and be the big bad police."
[53:42] It's just there's reasons why we're
[53:43] doing what we're doing. And it's not
[53:45] just to keep people safe, but it's also
[53:46] to keep, you know, the peace and
[53:49] property for other folks that are around
[53:50] you as well. So, um, and we are looking
[53:52] at that and all it takes is for us to
[53:54] take one of these ebikes and set an
[53:56] example and word will start getting out.
[53:59] Um, they are that these things can go
[54:01] where we can. My officers are telling
[54:03] me, chief, I went after one today and he
[54:05] went down a trailer, stopped, flipped me
[54:07] off, pulled his pants down, and gave me
[54:08] the moon.
[54:11] Okay, well, that's not appropriate.
[54:13] Let's not do that. But I also I worry
[54:15] about the safety of our officers and the
[54:17] kids too. If we're trying to chase after
[54:18] these kids, we go after them in places
[54:20] we can't go. So
[54:23] >> we need to determine where these kids
[54:24] are coming from. There are communities
[54:26] violations. Go knock on their door and
[54:28] have a conversation. Um and you let them
[54:31] know that they are breaking the law.
[54:32] This is the rule. This is why we're
[54:34] doing what we're doing. And you have to
[54:35] stay safe doing that. And running from
[54:36] the police is certainly automatically
[54:38] against the law. Can't do that. And that
[54:41] will be a hard lesson for somebody to
[54:42] learn if we do catch them. So let's hope
[54:45] that that's not the case. But we need to
[54:47] send a message. We need something to
[54:49] work with
[54:51] and
[54:53] we need to change what's done.
[54:55] >> Thank you.
[54:56] >> Madam President, can I ask can I ask him
[54:58] one question?
[54:58] >> Yeah.
[54:59] >> Can you when you get a chance, can you
[55:00] read the current version? I know you
[55:02] have because you were paraphrasing from
[55:04] it. just maybe be ready to tell us if
[55:07] you think it's a fair and balanced
[55:09] approach to the issue. We're not trying
[55:11] to create an ordinance that is
[55:13] overreaching.
[55:14] >> Sure. Yeah. We don't want that either.
[55:15] >> Most of it most of it we you know we
[55:18] took from state law and the definition
[55:21] that you rang is, you know, first
[55:23] provision of our ordinance,
[55:24] >> what what constitutes an ebike and then
[55:27] we took the classes of ebikes right out
[55:29] of the state law.
[55:30] >> The helmet definition, it's all it's
[55:33] already We're just embodying it. But but
[55:35] it would be good to know if you think
[55:36] this is a fair and balanced approach.
[55:40] >> Oh, I absolutely think it's fair and
[55:41] that and that's where we come with
[55:42] discretion. Um if somebody is using that
[55:45] to help them get across the street or
[55:48] they're using that device, I mean that
[55:49] that's a whole different thing. You're
[55:50] not doing wheelies and you're not doing
[55:52] 360s. You're you're using a device that
[55:54] was made to help um escort you or move
[55:58] you from one place to another. So that's
[56:01] where the discretionary comes in on our
[56:02] end.
[56:02] >> Yes. In your ability to impound, we we
[56:04] made it a May standard. It's you don't
[56:06] it's not a shall standard.
[56:08] >> No, not at all. You may conversation as
[56:10] far as why we're out there, why
[56:12] >> why we have these rules because of, you
[56:14] know, trying to keep people safe. We're
[56:16] trying to keep as much traffic off the
[56:17] sidewalks as possible. So, and it's just
[56:20] and it's going to increase and you're
[56:21] going to have a lot of it. So, if we
[56:23] don't come up with something now to help
[56:24] us help try to um keep it under control,
[56:30] um then I think it's going to get worse.
[56:33] >> Okay.
[56:33] >> But it's not just the ebikers either.
[56:35] It's it's we talked about it as far as
[56:37] the
[56:38] >> the other little scooters and things. I
[56:39] mean, I had a conversation just I mean I
[56:41] live here in town, too. and and uh my
[56:43] neighbor had that conversation with him
[56:46] the other day because I was coming home
[56:48] down Pleasant Street and these two kids,
[56:51] one was on one of those standup scooters
[56:52] and another one was on a little green
[56:54] minibike. They zoomed right through the
[56:57] stop sign at Dayton and Pleasant right
[56:58] in front of me. I'm in my regular car.
[57:00] I'm going home from work. I'm like, um
[57:03] and then then they get up to First
[57:06] Street and they blow that stop sign to
[57:08] go down First Street at the end of
[57:10] Pleasant Street. So, and I'm like, I
[57:12] know that that's my neighbor kid. Okay.
[57:15] Oh, that's the kid across the street.
[57:16] Okay. All right. I need to have a
[57:17] conversation. Guys, you cannot do that.
[57:19] You cannot just So, I went and had a
[57:21] conversation with with the dad and I
[57:22] said, "Hey, listen. Oh, I'm keeping an
[57:23] eye on them. They're just having fun."
[57:25] No, guys. No. They You think they're
[57:28] having fun, but they're going to go
[57:29] around the corner here. They're running
[57:30] stop signs. Somebody's going to run them
[57:31] over, and it's not going to be fun
[57:32] anymore. So,
[57:34] >> it starts at home, too. a lot of these a
[57:36] lot of the parents and folks need to
[57:38] have these conversations
[57:39] >> um knowing what they're letting their
[57:41] kids go out there and do. And like I
[57:42] said, it's not just the ebikes, it's the
[57:44] other bikes, too. So,
[57:45] >> um and we are out there trying to
[57:46] enforce. We're doing the best we can as
[57:48] safe as we can to try to get the message
[57:50] out. It's why we we embodied in here the
[57:54] infraction against the parents or the
[57:56] guardians, not necessarily those who are
[57:58] underage
[58:00] um for allowing this uh knowingly
[58:02] allowing it to happen
[58:05] >> because you you can't your civil
[58:06] infraction rights against a 15-year-old
[58:08] are pretty limited,
[58:10] >> right?
[58:10] >> And the main thing is is, you know, we
[58:13] can write tickets, we can we want to
[58:15] have conversations, we want to have
[58:16] talks with the parents, hey, listen,
[58:17] this is what's going on. This is why.
[58:19] So, let's get this under control. If
[58:20] not, somebody's going to get hurt or
[58:22] somebody's going to get a citation. We
[58:24] don't want that. We just want you to,
[58:26] you know, go have your fun, but you got
[58:27] to be responsible.
[58:29] >> Good. Thank you, Chief.
[58:31] >> Thank you so much.
[58:32] >> Thank you, Madam President, for
[58:38] » Hi, everyone.
[58:39] >> Good evening. I'm Sarah Travis. I am a
[58:41] resident of the like direct downtown. I
[58:44] live above one of the, you know, where
[58:46] the shops and the restaurants are. So,
[58:47] okay.
[58:47] >> I just wanted to touch on a couple of
[58:49] things. Um, the first I wasn't even
[58:51] planning to talk about, but uh I know
[58:53] Kimberly was up here talking about the
[58:55] um signage for the trail and as someone
[58:58] who walks her dog around downtown every
[59:00] day, I see so many res residents um and
[59:03] people that are visiting that um have no
[59:06] idea where the trail is at. So, I know
[59:08] from my anecdotal evidence that that
[59:10] would be appreciated by um a lot of
[59:12] people in our community just because I
[59:14] don't know where the heck they're going.
[59:15] Um, but also I wanted to uh just show my
[59:19] appreciation as a resident of downtown
[59:21] regarding the no overnights for snow
[59:24] removal and everything like that. I
[59:26] think that you guys touched on a lot of
[59:27] the things that I was concerned about
[59:29] which is we are no strangers to
[59:33] difficulty with the parking situation.
[59:35] There's not a lot of space, especially
[59:37] when on Fridays, Saturdays, you know,
[59:39] Thursdays even when the bars are full,
[59:41] the restaurants are full, and we're
[59:43] coming home and we're we like we're just
[59:45] doing our best trying to park. And yes,
[59:48] do we park overnight on the curb? 100%
[59:50] because that's the spot that's
[59:52] available, and I'm not trying to walk,
[59:53] you know, like forever just to get to my
[59:56] house. But um I just wanted to uh to to
[1:00:01] give my um my own uh concern about a
[1:00:09] ordinance or uh um some kind of uh
[1:00:13] signage that would be like all year
[1:00:15] round just because I know that that
[1:00:17] might be difficult um systematically to
[1:00:20] impose like okay no overnight parking
[1:00:22] like during snowstorms like how are you
[1:00:24] guys going to be able to do that? I
[1:00:25] totally understand that. But on normal
[1:00:28] days where the snow is not a concern to
[1:00:30] be able to, you know, go home without
[1:00:33] worrying about getting a ticket in the
[1:00:35] morning, you know, I just that's my only
[1:00:37] concern as as a resident. Obviously,
[1:00:40] we know I think most of us residents are
[1:00:43] trying our best not to block, you know,
[1:00:46] the access to the shops and the
[1:00:48] businesses and the restaurants and
[1:00:49] everything like that, but just for when
[1:00:52] those uh those busy moments happen to be
[1:00:56] able to not have to worry about, you
[1:00:59] know, dreading walking to the car and
[1:01:00] see if there's a ticket there. um on a
[1:01:02] day where there's no snow or you know no
[1:01:05] concerns with snow plows or anything
[1:01:07] like that. Obviously I know the plows
[1:01:09] got to come through and the snow's got
[1:01:11] to get taken care of and we appreciate
[1:01:13] that too. So that's another story but I
[1:01:15] just don't want it to be the random day
[1:01:17] where snow's not a concern and we're
[1:01:19] coming out there and we got you know
[1:01:21] some issues. So yeah,
[1:01:22] >> thank you very much.
[1:01:23] >> Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your
[1:01:25] perspective and comments.
[1:01:31] Hi everyone.
[1:01:33] >> Good evening.
[1:01:34] >> I'm also a resident of the direct down.
[1:01:36] Tommy and Sarah live in the same
[1:01:37] building. Awesome.
[1:01:38] >> Um I just again wanted to say that I'm
[1:01:41] appreciative of everyone's input on that
[1:01:44] because like Sarah said, we had talked
[1:01:46] about this before and there we had some
[1:01:49] concerns, but I think that everyone is
[1:01:52] taking those into consideration. Um, I
[1:01:55] do think that most residents are going
[1:01:57] to be psyched about having snow roof.
[1:02:01] Um, so I I do think just talking to the
[1:02:04] business owners, making sure that
[1:02:05] residents actually get like that
[1:02:07] information that this is what's going to
[1:02:09] be going on is going to be half of the
[1:02:14] battle is going to be done for you. So,
[1:02:16] um, uh, but I do know not everyone has
[1:02:19] social media. not everyone is out there,
[1:02:22] you know, see that these things are
[1:02:23] going to be on the on the minutes or,
[1:02:26] you know, on the schedule. So, um
[1:02:30] I just want to make sure that those
[1:02:31] people are, you know, in the know about
[1:02:33] it. Um I think that that's all that I
[1:02:36] really wanted to.
[1:02:38] >> Yeah.
[1:02:38] >> No, that's great. Thank you so much.
[1:02:40] Thank you for sitting through this whole
[1:02:42] meeting to share your perspective, too.
[1:02:45] >> Amen.
[1:02:46] So, I I think maybe um
[1:02:50] maybe we look into using uh our text
[1:02:54] messaging app for something like this
[1:02:57] >> perhaps. And again, we we have the
[1:02:58] addresses of all those locations
[1:03:00] downtown. And not only would we notify
[1:03:03] the building owner or the apartment
[1:03:05] owner, we can send directly to that
[1:03:07] address as far as, hey, here's a new
[1:03:08] rule, here's what's coming on, here's
[1:03:10] what's about to happen come this winter,
[1:03:12] and things like that. So at least on on
[1:03:14] the front end of it, we can at least get
[1:03:16] it aware the awareness out there.
[1:03:17] >> I think that would maybe make them feel,
[1:03:19] you know, a little bit better about,
[1:03:21] hey,
[1:03:22] >> you know, we're plowing tonight
[1:03:24] >> kind of kind of thing.
[1:03:27] would be a pain, but the night
[1:03:28] >> if you want like one of those things if
[1:03:30] you want to opt in,
[1:03:31] >> I think it would be nice to have that
[1:03:34] because I also think that that would
[1:03:35] also be nice for res village residents
[1:03:38] that aren't necessarily only in downtown
[1:03:41] to be like, hey, I should not be parking
[1:03:43] on the street today.
[1:03:44] >> Mhm.
[1:03:44] >> And and I I don't know if it's possible.
[1:03:48] >> I'm leaning towards No.
[1:03:49] >> Let's let's move it. Let's try no.
[1:03:51] >> Joe doesn't want to be up in the middle
[1:03:52] of the night texting.
[1:03:53] >> Well, again, I don't know what
[1:03:56] the DPW gets up and
[1:04:01] » so maybe maybe if that's something that
[1:04:04] you know because I actually think having
[1:04:05] a communitywide text message
[1:04:08] >> not necessarily a reply all chain but
[1:04:11] you know maybe we could see if there's
[1:04:13] something that we could do because it's
[1:04:16] just in general I think it would be
[1:04:18] helpful. Yeah,
[1:04:19] >> I would just like to say that that's a
[1:04:20] wonderful idea and we have the
[1:04:22] technology and I think that that would
[1:04:23] be helpful for everybody
[1:04:24] >> and I do have the mass text program. I
[1:04:26] used it today just briefing with you
[1:04:27] guys because rather than because I
[1:04:28] didn't know if you would see your email
[1:04:29] right before the meeting so I thought
[1:04:30] well I'll send out in a text and it was
[1:04:32] fighting me on the side we're working
[1:04:34] >> but yeah I used it through the some of
[1:04:36] the construction projects mostly because
[1:04:38] it's it's contained right to those on
[1:04:40] that block or those two blocks whatever.
[1:04:41] Um, and I I my goal is always to expand
[1:04:44] it out for other uses and and
[1:04:47] this would be one of those uh needs or
[1:04:49] uses that it was kind of meant for. I've
[1:04:51] always maintained that it's not a social
[1:04:54] media thing. It's not a marketing thing.
[1:04:56] It's if you're hearing from us, it's
[1:04:56] because you need to,
[1:04:58] >> you know, there's a waterline break or
[1:04:59] there's a, you know, paving project
[1:05:01] going right for your home for the next
[1:05:02] month, you know, and then keep you
[1:05:03] updated on those kind of things. This
[1:05:05] would be fall in that vein.
[1:05:07] >> For those limited folks in the downtown,
[1:05:09] again, it's hard for me to say 11:00.
[1:05:10] Well, they say it's going to snow at 2
[1:05:11] in the morning
[1:05:13] >> and then you wake up tomorrow morning,
[1:05:14] there's none.
[1:05:14] >> When when he, you know, when Rudy sends
[1:05:17] out the plow, you know, if if that's
[1:05:20] possible, I don't know.
[1:05:21] >> Well, and perhaps um I'm the only one
[1:05:23] who has access to the program now. I
[1:05:25] could sure get him login information to
[1:05:26] do it, but that's one more thing's plate
[1:05:28] on a stormy stormy night.
[1:05:30] >> That's the last thing he's going to be.
[1:05:32] >> But if he doesn't if he doesn't have to
[1:05:34] >> move,
[1:05:35] >> that's a that's a benefit. That's a
[1:05:37] benefit.
[1:05:38] >> Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out if
[1:05:40] psyched is a good thing or bad. It's a
[1:05:43] good thing.
[1:05:43] >> Psych. Not psyched. Psyched.
[1:05:45] >> Okay. Psych.
[1:05:46] >> Psych. Not psycho. Okay.
[1:05:48] >> All right.
[1:05:49] Any other public comments?
[1:05:51] >> Yes.
[1:05:53] >> I was going to introduce you and make
[1:05:54] some comments. This is Mr. Paul Tonio
[1:05:56] from Community Disposal.
[1:05:57] >> Yeah. Hello again.
[1:05:59] >> Hi. I was here
[1:06:01] >> last week or before.
[1:06:02] >> Yeah.
[1:06:04] >> Just wanted to let you know we're still
[1:06:06] on standby here. Um I wasn't sure if you
[1:06:10] had had feedback from priority after
[1:06:12] sending him the letter.
[1:06:13] >> That was our feedback tonight. So
[1:06:15] >> they were here before they you they were
[1:06:16] here before you they arrived.
[1:06:18] >> Yeah.
[1:06:19] >> Okay. So u I guess
[1:06:24] I talk to you after the meeting and find
[1:06:26] out exactly.
[1:06:27] >> Yep.
[1:06:28] >> Yeah.
[1:06:29] Be happy to chat with you.
[1:06:31] >> Yeah. Thanks for attending this evening.
[1:06:32] We appreciate
[1:06:35] All right. All right, we'll move on to
[1:06:36] our committee reports if there's no
[1:06:38] other public comment.
[1:06:40] Um, not
[1:06:42] >> um, that would be Allison and she wasn't
[1:06:44] there and I will start I will be
[1:06:46] attending those again.
[1:06:48] >> You will
[1:06:48] >> later this month.
[1:06:49] >> Great. Thank you.
[1:06:50] >> Golf season's over.
[1:06:53] >> Anything else from planning commission?
[1:06:54] >> Um, we did uh we did approve uh site
[1:06:59] plan. We did our site plan for 10001
[1:07:03] Industrial or somewhere on Glassby,
[1:07:06] whatever the address is.
[1:07:08] >> Um,
[1:07:09] >> it's a weird situation.
[1:07:10] >> And um it
[1:07:12] >> it's it's the it's the corner. It's the
[1:07:15] corner. And they kind of have their own
[1:07:16] address. They kind of don't. But long
[1:07:19] story short, we um we we approved the
[1:07:21] plan that you know, I think that um we talked about, you know, um
[1:07:31] the things that we're requiring besid
[1:07:34] that that um the village could do
[1:07:35] administratively,
[1:07:37] including like a landscape plan and a
[1:07:39] lighting plan and maybe working on like
[1:07:41] some shielding of, you know, those kind
[1:07:44] of things. So, I think it went I I think
[1:07:47] it went very well. Um
[1:07:50] uh I think one of the one of the
[1:07:52] concerns that was brought up was um
[1:07:56] sidewalks.
[1:07:57] Um after doing a little Google earthing,
[1:08:01] um it made it it did make sense for us
[1:08:05] to not necessarily have to have them put
[1:08:08] in a sidewalk just because the sidewalk
[1:08:11] would is would is it would actually be
[1:08:13] on
[1:08:15] the southside at that point.
[1:08:16] >> Yes. Where it's it just wouldn't have
[1:08:19] any continuation because it's all coming
[1:08:21] down like from scriptor and it stops and
[1:08:24] in theory if you were going to continue
[1:08:25] the sidewalk, you wouldn't cross the
[1:08:27] street to do the south side. You would
[1:08:30] just continue over there. So, um,
[1:08:33] >> that's why we kind of made the decision
[1:08:34] that it it didn't really make sense, but
[1:08:37] if necessary, if you absolutely wanted
[1:08:39] to put a sidewalk, we could, but we just
[1:08:41] didn't feel like it was something that
[1:08:43] was necessary that was going to be, you
[1:08:44] know, kind of uh a make or break for
[1:08:48] this. Um, but, uh, I I think it's it's
[1:08:52] going to be an improvement. They're
[1:08:54] really looking forward to doing that. I
[1:08:56] mean, you know, the nice thing is that,
[1:08:58] you know, the the current business owner
[1:09:00] is able to rent out this new space so we
[1:09:03] can have more jobs and they can expand.
[1:09:06] So, I I think it's it's a win-win
[1:09:08] between having new, you know, nice new
[1:09:10] development and buildings and letting
[1:09:13] these businesses grow. Um,
[1:09:15] it worked out really well. So,
[1:09:17] >> great.
[1:09:18] >> Thank you.
[1:09:19] >> Um, the planning commission is a really
[1:09:21] great group. I watched the most recent
[1:09:23] video of your meeting. Um, and I think
[1:09:25] we're still one member short, right? Um,
[1:09:28] we just had a reputation.
[1:09:29] >> Yeah. The day of the meeting, we finally
[1:09:30] got something in writing.
[1:09:32] >> Yeah. So, if anyone would like to join
[1:09:34] our village planning commission, please
[1:09:35] reach out to me. We would love
[1:09:36] >> signs. You like signs?
[1:09:39] >> It's a really great It's a really great
[1:09:41] commission to be part of.
[1:09:42] >> And if I may,
[1:09:44] >> the the the Planning Ending Act requires
[1:09:46] a five, seven, or nine member board. We
[1:09:48] currently have seven. Well, no, six with
[1:09:50] a vacancy.
[1:09:50] >> Mhm. As difficult as it is, you could go
[1:09:53] to five down there. Now, if somebody was
[1:09:55] tour was coming up and then they didn't,
[1:09:57] you know, they were on the fence of
[1:09:58] renewal or again, right?
[1:09:59] >> Um because it is tough. We asked a lot
[1:10:01] of them. They have to learn a lot and we
[1:10:03] pay them right over right about zero, I
[1:10:04] think, is
[1:10:07] >> for as many as up to 24 meetings a year.
[1:10:10] Uh we never really have that many, but
[1:10:13] >> it's a lot to ask. So,
[1:10:14] >> yeah, I served on the planning
[1:10:16] commission for a year before I joined
[1:10:17] village council and it was a great
[1:10:18] experience. So
[1:10:20] >> we have some great members on there
[1:10:22] right now.
[1:10:23] >> That's a good
[1:10:24] >> quite the quite the learning curve.
[1:10:26] >> You're doing great.
[1:10:28] >> Just an account.
[1:10:29] >> That's why we need you.
[1:10:32] >> Uh cable commission. Have we heard
[1:10:34] anything? Okay. And then the DDA
[1:10:37] actually
[1:10:38] >> I was not able to attend. Kimberly, any
[1:10:40] updates?
[1:10:45] » Just a couple quick things. Um we are in
[1:10:48] the deep end of events for the year. So
[1:10:53] if we're looking a little frazzled,
[1:10:54] that's probably why. Um in August we did
[1:10:58] partner with Parks and Wreck for a DIA
[1:11:01] bus tour and that was very successful. I
[1:11:03] heard it went really well. They had
[1:11:04] about 35 people that attended so it was
[1:11:07] very positive. Um we also partnered with
[1:11:09] them on the senior citizens day uh which
[1:11:12] the event they had in the park. We've
[1:11:14] also partnered with Lake Orian as well.
[1:11:17] Um this Saturday we have our art and
[1:11:20] wine stroll. So the DIA um installation
[1:11:23] will be coming out or being removed in
[1:11:26] October. So we're trying to do one kind
[1:11:28] of activity per month to help support it
[1:11:30] while it's still here. So we've
[1:11:32] partnered with Whimsy and she's
[1:11:34] collected a bunch of local artists and
[1:11:37] we have 10 different locations of art.
[1:11:40] uh four restaurants have participated in
[1:11:42] the wine tasting portion of it and then
[1:11:44] the DIA will have a dosent there to do
[1:11:46] walking tours. So, Whimsy will also have
[1:11:49] some uh live demonstrations in the park.
[1:11:52] There's going to be a chalk art contest.
[1:11:54] It's going to be a really cool activity
[1:11:55] and the weather looks beautiful for
[1:11:57] Saturday. So, it should be wonderful. Um
[1:11:59] we have our downtown decorating day
[1:12:01] scheduled for next week. So,
[1:12:03] everything's going to be flipping over
[1:12:04] from summer to fall. Um and also scare
[1:12:07] profess we talked about earlier is on
[1:12:09] the third. The only other port other
[1:12:11] thing that we wanted to talk about was
[1:12:12] the dactics program. Um that was
[1:12:14] approved at the last meeting to uh move
[1:12:17] forward with ordering those uh which we
[1:12:20] have done. We walked around with the um
[1:12:23] sign company and we've uh kind of marked
[1:12:26] out where each of those signs are going
[1:12:27] to be installed and we're hoping to have
[1:12:30] them installed mid to late September and
[1:12:33] having some sort of unveiling ceremony.
[1:12:35] So, there'll be some sort of like cover
[1:12:37] on the front of them so you can't see
[1:12:39] what's underneath.
[1:12:42] I hope you're excited about that.
[1:12:44] >> I'm excited.
[1:12:46] >> No, I'm very excited.
[1:12:47] >> I was like started by a project.
[1:12:50] >> This is like
[1:12:53] Yeah, we're very excited to come.
[1:12:57] >> We're hoping that this is just the
[1:12:59] beginning and that when see it, they're
[1:13:01] going to want to participate as well.
[1:13:03] And then we want to partner also with
[1:13:05] the museum to do some walking tours for
[1:13:07] them as well. So I'm hoping that this
[1:13:08] whole GIA program has really started to
[1:13:11] just be the beginning kickstart of more
[1:13:13] all arts culture and history and getting
[1:13:16] people excited about that walking around
[1:13:18] being more interactive with our
[1:13:20] downtown.
[1:13:21] >> Awesome. Thank you.
[1:13:24] >> Um Pian,
[1:13:27] >> I wasn't able to attend.
[1:13:28] >> I pinched hit it last uh week. I found
[1:13:32] out that morning, but I made it. Um, so,
[1:13:35] uh, it's always a great group. There was
[1:13:37] a couple minor things to take care of,
[1:13:38] replacing a mowing contract with someone
[1:13:40] who just wasn't able to do it anymore.
[1:13:42] But the bigger thing is that the DNR
[1:13:43] come up with some money. I think mostly
[1:13:45] them, um, doing an entire survey of the
[1:13:47] trail to look about where wash outs are
[1:13:49] and things like that. That has started
[1:13:51] already. It was on the agenda for
[1:13:52] approval last week, even though the DNR
[1:13:53] had already started. It's
[1:13:55] >> kind of like
[1:13:56] >> more of those things. But, um, but yeah,
[1:13:58] so that's going on on the trail. Great.
[1:14:00] >> Thank you. Mhm.
[1:14:01] >> DBA did not meet. So we'll go to our
[1:14:04] manager clerk staff attorney reports
[1:14:06] >> and yes and because some things I print
[1:14:08] off this thing and I leave it at my desk
[1:14:09] and forget it. So today I emailed it to
[1:14:11] you and brought it. So and I do have one
[1:14:13] to add on the bottom. But um again the
[1:14:15] water tower paint like is this our
[1:14:17] pre-construction meeting is this
[1:14:18] Thursday. Um the AT&T tower folks that
[1:14:21] are looking to add stuff at Walden the
[1:14:23] top that we postponed to coincide with
[1:14:25] this um are going to be there. Scriptor
[1:14:28] Park Retain while we Rud and I put
[1:14:29] together the design build bid process
[1:14:31] and we had two biders um one didn't
[1:14:35] provide engineering but uh the numbers
[1:14:37] were like 85,000 and 200,000 they were
[1:14:40] miles and miles apart
[1:14:42] >> we're going to work with the one and and
[1:14:44] do some I talked to them today about
[1:14:47] doing a different plan that doesn't
[1:14:48] require engineering
[1:14:49] >> okay
[1:14:49] >> make it to where that that's off the
[1:14:51] table but we still we still want to do
[1:14:53] it yet this year now it's still 85,000 I
[1:14:55] think we have 50 or 75 five I think is
[1:14:57] in the budget if I recall.
[1:15:00] We'll have to bring you know it to move
[1:15:03] forward that's over the budget but we
[1:15:05] have other money in the parks but that
[1:15:06] wall is getting bad and this is the best
[1:15:08] time of year to do it
[1:15:10] >> um
[1:15:11] >> in the spring it's just too busy too
[1:15:13] much going on it's wet perhaps and it's
[1:15:15] not as good guys
[1:15:17] >> right
[1:15:18] >> um but I don't have a recommendation per
[1:15:20] se because we haven't nailed down
[1:15:21] exactly because the scope is kind of
[1:15:22] changing and we're having to morph it
[1:15:24] back. It might lower down now because
[1:15:25] we're going to be using maybe one layer
[1:15:27] of tall uh the block walls instead of
[1:15:30] three.
[1:15:31] >> So, I'm going to try to get it down to
[1:15:32] back where our budget amount was.
[1:15:34] >> I guess I'm I didn't even
[1:15:37] Again, we weren't It might not be even
[1:15:39] be done. We we I prefer to bring
[1:15:41] something back next month with a more
[1:15:42] defined
[1:15:43] >> um plan, but just kind of let you know
[1:15:45] where we're at. Okay.
[1:15:46] >> It's something we would probably look to
[1:15:47] do in October, November, just before
[1:15:50] winter. At least before winter.
[1:15:51] >> Okay.
[1:15:53] Um the accessible bathroom project, uh
[1:15:56] it it's it's going it's been fits and
[1:15:58] starts. We had a little measurement
[1:16:00] issue with our designer uh the
[1:16:02] architect. So they they the contractor
[1:16:04] moved the sink and he's running some
[1:16:05] problems with the steel beam in the
[1:16:06] wall, stuff like that. So um I spoke to
[1:16:09] them both uh today and we need to kind
[1:16:11] of reassess that to make sure that the
[1:16:13] wall being moved is still going to meet
[1:16:14] the ADA requirements. I mean that's the
[1:16:16] whole idea of the bathroom, right?
[1:16:18] >> You can't put it up without that.
[1:16:20] So, um, again, it it's it's not we we
[1:16:23] still have the other bathrooms and
[1:16:24] they're going to be in tomorrow to clean
[1:16:25] them out cuz they were construction
[1:16:26] putting holes in the ceiling to run some
[1:16:28] piping. They're a bit of a mess right
[1:16:30] now. We can obviously come over here to
[1:16:31] this hallway, use bathrooms, but they're
[1:16:34] going to come clean those up so we can
[1:16:35] still continue to use those. Um, the
[1:16:38] well number five refurbishment project
[1:16:39] that we approved or council approved
[1:16:40] back this summer went well. Everything
[1:16:43] went good. uh that's been on um back
[1:16:45] online for a couple weeks now, but uh
[1:16:48] peerless
[1:16:50] um I've mentioned the water reliability
[1:16:52] study. You know, Eagle was behind on a
[1:16:54] lot of things over the years. Right now,
[1:16:55] they're trying to get everybody back and
[1:16:57] uh get back on their normal schedules.
[1:16:58] So, I was informed, oh, it's due this
[1:17:00] year. You know, it's like, well, not
[1:17:02] sure if we have time to do it yet this
[1:17:03] year because hybrid flow testing is part
[1:17:05] of that
[1:17:06] >> and I'm going to try to drag my feet,
[1:17:07] say it's too cold, but we'll still get
[1:17:09] something out back to you.
[1:17:12] um the contracts that we negotiated this
[1:17:15] year that are pretty much put to bed. Um
[1:17:17] part of that was the the change in at
[1:17:19] the MS plan for our police officers
[1:17:21] union and again no no increase in cost
[1:17:24] to us. Um I spoke to MS and everything
[1:17:26] is on in line for that that's going
[1:17:28] forward as well and I think officers are
[1:17:29] very appreciative of that process. So,
[1:17:32] um, the one thing I didn't have on
[1:17:33] there, um, the the DNR tree grant that I
[1:17:36] applied for back in June or so, we we
[1:17:37] did get awarded that grant and it's it's
[1:17:39] very
[1:17:41] tight area. It's it's all west or east
[1:17:43] of town and it it goes down Glassby, but
[1:17:45] it's only on the west side of Glasby.
[1:17:47] So, we can't put any in the parks. We'd
[1:17:48] love to have put, you know, 15 trees in
[1:17:50] the park of the 20 or so or 30 we're
[1:17:52] going to get. It's $10,000 grant. Um,
[1:17:55] but uh my I uh I have a teams meeting
[1:17:58] with the DNR next week to go over that
[1:18:00] and the grants and stuff. So, we'll get them in. Perhaps it's on
[1:18:03] Powell up there along Trail area.
[1:18:07] >> Uh perhaps there's some residents in
[1:18:08] some of those areas over there that we
[1:18:10] can um get them in off Broadway or Pearl
[1:18:12] or something like that. Some uh other
[1:18:14] trees that fit better in in the area.
[1:18:17] >> Yeah.
[1:18:18] >> Keep them away from our utilities and
[1:18:19] stuff like that. But
[1:18:20] >> but but we got it. We'll move forward
[1:18:22] with it. Great. Thank you. Any
[1:18:24] questions?
[1:18:28] » Okay. Um, you guys know we've been
[1:18:30] having issues with our autopay. Um, they
[1:18:32] didn't fix it again for like third
[1:18:34] month. So, we um ended up cancing with
[1:18:36] point and pay.
[1:18:38] >> We will have October 1st start with our
[1:18:40] BSA online. Autopay will be back up with
[1:18:43] that program. Yes, I know. Yay.
[1:18:46] >> We have training on Thursday. We'll get
[1:18:48] our new um
[1:18:50] card readers and stuff. So that'll
[1:18:52] finally be fixed and that'll alleviate a
[1:18:55] lot of calls and
[1:18:56] >> and work that we've got to do for that.
[1:18:58] Also, payroll will be now in house
[1:19:01] starting October uh 22nd. So that'll be
[1:19:05] the last cloud conversion. So we'll be
[1:19:07] done with everything with that. So
[1:19:10] >> great.
[1:19:10] >> Yeah.
[1:19:11] >> For the um water bill, um how are we
[1:19:15] supposed to pay that now then?
[1:19:18] >> I'll have everything on the website.
[1:19:20] Okay. you'll it's when you look up your
[1:19:22] water bill of the SA online. I think
[1:19:24] it's just another option that says you
[1:19:26] can set up auto pay. You can pay online.
[1:19:28] I don't know exactly,
[1:19:30] >> but I'll make sure everything's on there
[1:19:32] before October 1st.
[1:19:33] >> You mean with the new system or in the
[1:19:34] interim?
[1:19:35] >> Even in their interim.
[1:19:36] >> Well, you can still pay one time payment
[1:19:38] with point and pay. We have docs online.
[1:19:40] You can still pay. You can still send a
[1:19:42] check. You can
[1:19:42] >> It's just not on It's not going to pay
[1:19:44] unless you do something.
[1:19:46] >> That's what I think. you have that blur
[1:19:48] on the utility bill that it is not
[1:19:50] working.
[1:19:51] >> Okay.
[1:19:51] >> Um
[1:19:51] >> that's why I think a lot of people they
[1:19:53] set it up and they forget about it and
[1:19:56] then I'm like wait I have to actually do
[1:19:57] something now this month to make sure I
[1:19:59] pay. Okay.
[1:19:59] >> And we were reversing charges you the
[1:20:01] late fees and stuff like that
[1:20:03] >> cuz they're still getting emails from
[1:20:05] point pay saying your payment's going to
[1:20:06] go through but they're not actually
[1:20:08] drawing any money
[1:20:09] >> that's what's really confusing. Okay.
[1:20:11] Thank you
[1:20:12] >> Mr. Davis.
[1:20:13] >> Great. Thank you.
[1:20:14] >> Okay. Move on to council comments.
[1:20:17] Martina.
[1:20:17] >> Um I guess first maybe not current but a
[1:20:22] question. Um
[1:20:26] we are just and I guess this is more
[1:20:28] just for public as a reminder. Um there
[1:20:31] is uh the village council um is uh there
[1:20:37] are three of us there are going to be
[1:20:40] three spaces open in November for the
[1:20:43] election. Right now there is only one
[1:20:46] person um that is listed on the ballot.
[1:20:50] So there are procedures that are
[1:20:52] available if someone is interested in
[1:20:54] running for village council uh as a
[1:20:57] writin.
[1:20:59] Um and I think it would be if anyone is
[1:21:03] interested um to reach out to
[1:21:07] the township
[1:21:10] >> should be the township clerk. They can
[1:21:11] call me too. But um you have to have
[1:21:13] your paperwork in. There's a deadline.
[1:21:16] Yeah.
[1:21:16] >> Um you can't just have people write your
[1:21:18] name in. You have to be you have to have
[1:21:20] a record that you are writing.
[1:21:22] >> Um so they just have to make sure they
[1:21:24] got that paperwork in on time. But you do all that at the township the
[1:21:28] clerk there.
[1:21:29] >> Yep. So I you know just would encourage
[1:21:31] anyone if they are interested um there
[1:21:34] are going to be additional
[1:21:35] >> there's two spots open not three. Yeah.
[1:21:37] >> She said three but there's one already
[1:21:39] but
[1:21:39] >> yes. Yes.
[1:21:41] >> Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure
[1:21:43] >> that's fine.
[1:21:45] >> But, you know, I just, you know, I I I
[1:21:47] encourage anyone that is interested um
[1:21:50] you know, there are additional vacancies
[1:21:53] uh available. Um and for more
[1:21:55] information, uh they can contact the
[1:21:57] township and um and if they're
[1:21:59] interested in knowing what it's like, I
[1:22:02] think we're all more than happy to
[1:22:03] answer any questions. Mhm.
[1:22:05] >> Um uh I think it's a great opportunity
[1:22:08] for people to really get involved in
[1:22:10] their community and to get to know
[1:22:12] everyone and to really make a
[1:22:14] difference. Uh secondly, um we did have
[1:22:18] our flag pole installed last month. It
[1:22:22] is beautiful and glorious and wonderful.
[1:22:25] Um and we are looking forward to having
[1:22:27] a dedication ceremony uh tenatively uh
[1:22:32] in the morning of the October 3rd at the
[1:22:35] scare festival best festival. Sorry
[1:22:39] >> either one Um, so we're we're we're
[1:22:42] hoping to uh do a formal dedication
[1:22:45] then. Uh, and we had a very very uh nice
[1:22:50] ceremony for our first responders
[1:22:53] appreciation uh at the township park. We
[1:22:56] had great weather. The drone show was
[1:22:58] cool. Um, it was really nice for us to
[1:23:01] be able to celebrate um our village
[1:23:03] police officers along with all of our
[1:23:05] first responders. So um I talked to the
[1:23:09] township. We are hoping to make that a
[1:23:11] uh an annual event going forward to
[1:23:14] coincide with national night out and
[1:23:17] we'll go from there. So, thank you.
[1:23:19] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:23:21] >> No comments.
[1:23:22] >> Okay. I will move to adjourn at 8:23.
[1:23:25] >> Second. Okay.
[1:23:26] >> All those in favor say I. I.
[1:23:28] >> I.