1 00:00:45,010 --> 00:00:50,950 Now we have 730, so I will call the Oxford City Council's regular meetings to order Ms. Barber, you may call the roll. 2 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:51,770 Mr. Vint. 3 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:52,690 Here. 4 00:00:53,210 --> 00:00:54,190 Mr. Bracken. 5 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:54,490 Here. 6 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:55,490 Ms. Franklin. 7 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:56,150 Here. 8 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:57,710 Mr. Nellens. Here. 9 00:00:58,330 --> 00:00:58,750 Mayor Smith. 10 00:00:59,050 --> 00:00:59,170 Here. 11 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:02,890 We will now do the pledge of allegiance if you would like to join us. 12 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:15,350 by the United States of America, and to do our public for persistence, one nation under 13 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:19,890 the digital liquidity and justice law. 14 00:01:27,530 --> 00:01:29,430 May I have a motion to approve the agenda? 15 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:33,150 Before we do that, I'd like to add an item to the agenda. 16 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:39,910 If I can add appointments to boards and commissions as item B and then move public comment 17 00:01:39,910 --> 00:01:40,990 to item C. 18 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:42,290 All right. 19 00:01:42,510 --> 00:01:43,350 May I have a second? 20 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:50,810 Second. Second by Councillor Analyst. All those in favor of the change please say aye. Aye. All right. 21 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:56,090 Now may have a motion to approve the agenda as amended. So moved. 22 00:01:56,430 --> 00:02:01,370 Move by Councillor Franklin. Second. Second by Councillor Brecken. All in favor. 23 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:07,390 Please say aye. Aye. All right. We will begin tonight with a proclamation. 24 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:15,430 This is 25 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,880 an honor of education and sharing an Oxford. 26 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,740 Whereas the basis for continuity of any society is education, 27 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:46,920 in Oxford, the education of our youth is a priority. 28 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:50,020 And whereas in order to achieve its highest goals, 29 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,320 education, it's not only in part knowledge, 30 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,020 but also to teach students how to live, 31 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,880 forming and strengthening their moral character 32 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,400 to make better lives for themselves as individuals 33 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,340 and for society as a whole, 34 00:03:02,660 --> 00:03:04,440 imparting moral and ethical values 35 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,340 that have been the better act of society 36 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:07,680 since the dawn of civilization, 37 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,540 including the values known as the seven, no-eyed mitzvah. 38 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:15,900 And whereas, a global spiritual leader, the Rebe Rebi, 39 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:19,200 Monarchum Sherson, stressed that a moral and ethical education 40 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,100 empowers every individual to develop their full potential 41 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:24,240 in making the world a better place. 42 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,860 And whereas such an education can nurture 43 00:03:26,860 --> 00:03:29,840 the unity of diverse peoples through encouraging 44 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,540 increased acts of goodness and kindness 45 00:03:32,540 --> 00:03:35,560 within awareness that every single positive act 46 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,780 that even a single positive act can change the world in usher in an era of global peace. 47 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:48,200 And whereas March 29th, 2,026 will mark the 124th anniversary of the Rebase birth. 48 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,600 An education sharing day is observed annually on this day in recognition of his outstanding 49 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,660 and enduring contributions to the advancement of education, moral values, and child 50 00:03:58,660 --> 00:04:04,000 will service throughout the world, serving as a time to pause and reflect on our shared 51 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,780 responsibility to ensure that our youth are given the foundation necessary to lead lives rich 52 00:04:08,780 --> 00:04:12,640 in purpose, meaning, and fulfillment through service and good works. 53 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,120 And therefore, I, Michael Smith, Mayor of the City of Oxero, Ohio, do here by proclaim Sunday 54 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,120 March 29th as Education and Sharing Day Oxford and call upon everyone to work together to 55 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,500 create a better, brighter, and more promising future for all. 56 00:04:54,090 --> 00:05:00,730 Green Street, Good evening, and thank you, Mayor, Council members, and city leaders for this meaningful 57 00:05:00,730 --> 00:05:03,770 population, recognizing education and sharing day. 58 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:07,370 Education day, inspired by the Teachings of the Bob of Chorabi, 59 00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:12,610 right from now, Samantha Mendel, Schneerson, reminds us that education is not only about knowledge 60 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:14,190 or academic success. 61 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:19,990 True education is about building character, developing responsibility, and inspiring young people 62 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:22,410 to become caring and ethical members of society. 63 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:28,270 In a time when our world faces many challenges, the importance of education that emphasizes 64 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:31,790 kindness, respect, and moral values is greater than ever. 65 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:35,910 When we invest in the future of our children, we invest in the future of our entire community. 66 00:05:36,910 --> 00:05:41,410 On behalf of Elvad and the Jewish community, I want to express our appreciation to the city 67 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:46,530 for recognizing education day and for commitment to supporting education and positive values. 68 00:05:47,290 --> 00:05:51,910 Together, by strengthening education and nurturing the next generation, we help build 69 00:05:51,910 --> 00:05:55,170 a stronger, kinder, and more hopeful future for everyone. 70 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:56,570 Thank you. 71 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:57,230 Thank you. 72 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:57,910 Thank you. 73 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:01,960 All right. 74 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,540 We will move on to appointments to boards and commissions. 75 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,260 Do I have a motion? 76 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:09,100 Yes. 77 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:16,220 I would like to make a motion that we appoint to the Board of Tax Review, Edna Sutherd, and Chris 78 00:06:16,220 --> 00:06:22,940 Skawgland, and the City Manager's appointment to the Board of Tax Review would be Kevin 79 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:27,960 the悭un. Second? Second, second but accounts for 80 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:36,220 another. All in favor please say aye. Approved? Great. All right. Now we will move on to public 81 00:06:36,220 --> 00:06:40,560 comments. Anyone wishing to address counts about items not on the agenda or on the 82 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,520 consent agenda, please come forward at this time and state your name and address for the 83 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:44,980 record. 84 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:56,800 seeing none, we will move on to the consent agenda. I may have a motion to approve 85 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,740 the consent agenda. 86 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:58,800 So moved. 87 00:06:58,840 --> 00:06:59,100 Second. 88 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,900 Move by Councillor Franklin. 89 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,620 Second by Councillor Snavely. 90 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,400 Any items we are moved tonight? 91 00:07:07,190 --> 00:07:10,610 Seeing none, all those in favour of the consent agenda, please say aye. 92 00:07:10,650 --> 00:07:11,210 Aye. 93 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:12,370 Opposed? 94 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:13,790 Great. 95 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,120 Move to resolutions. 96 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:19,600 Ms. Barber, you may read. 97 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:21,340 The first resolution whenever you're ready. 98 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:28,100 Resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into a contract with Axon Enterprise 99 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:29,860 your heart-branded for body. 100 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:47,340 Foreign camera equipment, software, licensing, data storage, user profiles, and support the police division at a cost not to exceed $289,800 dollars and two cents for the life of the contract subject to the law directors approval of the contract. 101 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,740 Motion to adopt. 102 00:07:49,420 --> 00:07:50,300 So moved. 103 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:50,620 Second. 104 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:53,560 Move by Councillor Franklin, second by Councillor Renellis. 105 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,220 Chief Jones is, thank you Mr. Mayor, it's Council, I want to have Lieutenant Robinson present 106 00:07:59,220 --> 00:07:59,840 this item. 107 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:05,680 He was the primary negotiator with Axon in this and knows more of the details than I do. 108 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,460 So, thank you Chief Mayor, Council, this is a new contract with Axon Enterprises, they are 109 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:16,720 a body-war camera provider. 110 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,900 We've been with them for five years, have been very happy with them. 111 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,200 Just like you have with a cell phone in the old days, you have to read a go-shage contract 112 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:31,280 every few years, and we're at that point, so this would allow us to get into 2025 pricing 113 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,480 if we get this approved night, so that we don't see that increase. 114 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:37,860 They were able to extend that to us through the first quarter of this year. 115 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:43,840 So we've gone back and forth, and I think we've got a good contract in front of you, your resolution 116 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,220 will allow us to see the manager sign that at his convenience. 117 00:08:48,180 --> 00:08:52,740 All right, is there anyone from the public who would like to address this resolution before 118 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:58,000 Council. All right, seeing none? Council questions, discussion? 119 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,140 I'm always interested in the pre-record time. I've brought this up before. I was 120 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:06,920 wondering what this is the same. How long is it? Can we set it? 121 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,140 It's the same system we've had for the past five years. We've had success with getting new 122 00:09:11,140 --> 00:09:17,900 equipment. And we have found that the time, so great for us. It is 30 seconds 123 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:22,580 look back on the times, the audio will not start until it's activated by the officer. 124 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:23,980 Yeah. 125 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:33,820 I always push for the longer time because I think it adds so much more context to a lot of situations, sometimes it's not necessary, but that's a little separate from the purchase, but it's something I always want to bring out. 126 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,500 So are any terms and conditions that contract change other than price? 127 00:09:39,220 --> 00:09:40,300 That's what I'm aware of. 128 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,160 we do have to have the law director review this first as we do with everything. I'm sure we'll 129 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,480 strike out the identification. If it still exists in there, as our usual conversation 130 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,200 with it. 131 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:05,040 All right. I think we've been real happy so far with our body cameras. So all in favor, please 132 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,700 say aye. 133 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:06,520 Aye. 134 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:07,540 Opposed? 135 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:08,780 All right. Thank you. 136 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:13,300 As far as you may read the next resolution. 137 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:21,500 The Resolution, Designating Public Depositories of Active Public Funds for 5-year period, commencing 138 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:23,160 April 6, 2026. 139 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:25,160 Motion to adopt. 140 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,140 So move. 141 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:26,620 Second. 142 00:10:27,380 --> 00:10:31,160 Then by Councillor Franklin, check my Councillor's navel, and I'll turn it over to 143 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,240 by an extractor right now. 144 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:33,860 Good evening, Mayor and Councillors. 145 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,480 In my staff report, I stated that the five-year agreement for the Banking Depository Services 146 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,040 with the current bank will expire on April 5, but we actually did a one-year extension 147 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:42,520 last year. 148 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,020 So it's actually a six year contract. 149 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,580 The request for qualifications for bank deposit 150 00:10:47,580 --> 00:10:50,620 services for the next five years was issued in January 151 00:10:50,620 --> 00:10:53,360 and was due by 1 p.m. on February 17. 152 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:57,200 Five banks responded to the depository RFQ. 153 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Proposals received received from first financial bank, 154 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,240 farmers in merchant state bank, LCNB, national bank, 155 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,340 fifth, third bank, and Huntington bank. 156 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,400 The basis for the decision as stated in the evaluation 157 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,340 and criteria of the RFQ, the fees for services and interest rates will not be this sole 158 00:11:15,340 --> 00:11:17,500 determining factor in selecting the bank. 159 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:21,900 The City of Oxford understands that it is important to use a structured process that barely 160 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:24,860 compares different agencies based on a number of factors. 161 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,580 The criteria for evaluating these proposals were based upon a combination of factors, 162 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,040 bank qualifications, experience with public sector, proximity to the City of Oxford, 163 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:44,320 List of general and specialized services, demonstrated experience with specialized services, and public 164 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,200 assessment sector reference, which I guess is the same with experience with public sector. 165 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,420 Based on our quality of review of the proposals we received, we are recommending that first financial 166 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:05,020 bank remain as the primary depository for the City of Oxford funds, and Lebanon citizens' national bank as the backup depository for the City of Oxford funds. 167 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:10,600 Is there any of them from the public who would like to address this resolution before Council? 168 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,940 All right. Seeing none. Council questions and discussion. 169 00:12:18,130 --> 00:12:20,530 All right. I think we're all pretty happy with first my answer. 170 00:12:22,050 --> 00:12:24,190 So I do have a question. Okay. 171 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:31,220 So in section one of the ordinance in the second paragraph, it says that the repository account will be retained with 172 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:36,100 I'll see NB National Bank for the convenience by proximity for the deposit. 173 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:36,960 Oh, I see. 174 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:43,130 Where in there does it say that first financial will be disignated? 175 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:47,690 It's a, oh, I don't think it does. 176 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,640 It says the secondary depository. 177 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:05,140 Okay, I see that. 178 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:05,860 Yeah. 179 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:06,600 That was wrong. 180 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,320 Thank you. 181 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:10,820 All good? 182 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:13,800 All right. 183 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,100 All those in favor? 184 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:16,200 Please say aye. 185 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:16,700 Aye. 186 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:18,020 Opposed? 187 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,100 Great. 188 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:20,240 That resolution is adopted. 189 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,820 And as far as you may, we have the next one. 190 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:29,240 A resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into a contract with Atlantic Emergency 191 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Solutions for the purchase of a 2026 ran port and ambulance at specified options at state 192 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:43,080 contract pricing at a cost not to exceed 385,466 dollars and 17 cents. 193 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:44,580 Motion to adopt? 194 00:13:44,580 --> 00:13:45,460 Sometimes. 195 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:46,360 Yeah, yeah. 196 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,460 Live accounts from Frankenstein. 197 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,380 Sit in black accounts, Eric. 198 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:49,060 It's Napley. 199 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,760 I'll turn it over to chief diverge. 200 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:51,460 Good evening. 201 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Good evening. 202 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:53,240 Evening. 203 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,740 It's a ton of my onions again. 204 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,180 As you all know we run those things a lot, and they get a lot of use. 205 00:14:01,940 --> 00:14:08,820 And it's time to continue with another purchase to keep our fleet in good shape and keep 206 00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:12,220 up with the additional use they've seem to be getting. 207 00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:20,620 We spent the last year looking at various manufacturers and basically came back to Horton, 208 00:14:20,740 --> 00:14:29,600 we bought the last three from better price than the others we looked at and also we'll 209 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,380 basically make it another one that's identical to the last one. 210 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:36,160 So it makes it easier for the guys when they're looking for things in an emergency situation. 211 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,840 We can keep things in the same places. 212 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:49,780 Purchases off the Ohio State Terms Schedule, total prices 354-617, and we were able to work 213 00:14:49,780 --> 00:14:50,200 a deal. 214 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:54,960 I'm sure most of you are aware there's issues in the fire and the MS industry right now with 215 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,980 delivery times, Atlantic emergency solutions was... 216 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,820 It's enough to offer up a spot that they had in line in the manufacturing line for a demo unit. 217 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:12,660 Our unit will be placed in that spot, and it will be constructed in November of this year. 218 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,700 Wow, it pays to be a good customer. 219 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:20,020 And I think that's all I've done, wish you have questions. 220 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,900 All right, let me see if there's anyone from the public who would like to address this resolution before council. 221 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,300 All right, seeing none. Council discussion questions. 222 00:15:31,270 --> 00:15:34,010 What's the typical life span of a good ambulance? 223 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:42,930 Well, the first one that I purchased when I came here is a 2010, and we're going to keep it and keep using it. 224 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:44,650 That way we'll have a backup. 225 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:51,890 So if one's out, we'll still have three. We'll be able to cover multiple events at the same time and still have two on the road. 226 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:55,450 And the 2010 still in decent shape. It's holding up well. 227 00:15:56,570 --> 00:15:57,270 Thank you. 228 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:05,220 Yeah, I think this is my third ambulance purchase as my 10 years ago slumber, it would be. 229 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:10,260 All right, there's no more questions. 230 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,580 All in favor, please say aye. 231 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:13,320 Aye. 232 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:14,380 Opposed? 233 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,260 All right, looks like we're getting an ambulance. 234 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:19,000 Okay, we'll move on to ordinances. 235 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,160 Ms. Barbie may read the first first reading. 236 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:35,160 And ordnance repealing Oxford codified ordnance section 50703 entitled fire civil citations and adopting new Oxford codified ordnance section 50703 237 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,460 Fire civil citations. 238 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,500 All right. 239 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:39,280 Did you leverage? 240 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Hello again. 241 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:50,940 In 2025, the Ohio Fire Marshall's office finished a long process of updating for a new fire code. 242 00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:57,000 Once that was done, they completed the process. 243 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,220 It was made into law by the state. 244 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,800 And when they did that, there were some things 245 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,860 that were moved around in the code that changed 246 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:08,640 some numbers that reflect in 507.03 247 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,120 in the fire civil citation section of the Oxford Code. 248 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:17,760 Mostly, it's housekeeping type stuff. 249 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:28,760 A couple of changes in the titles and a couple of changes in section numbers, and also going to use this opportunity to add two things to it. 250 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:35,520 Chapter 1519 of the Oxford Code of Fight ordinances entitled Fireworks. 251 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:44,180 That section, it matches with what Council had decided before was to keep the previous 252 00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:51,500 firework ordinances that were in place before the state changed to allow fireworks on certain holidays. 253 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:54,140 So that will add that into there. 254 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:00,280 And also the section that has to do with temporary membrane structures and tents. 255 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:05,540 So it will allow us to cite people who erect a tent without a permit. 256 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:10,850 Like I said other than that, the rest of it's just housekeeping items. 257 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:13,410 John, you might mention the size of the tent. 258 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:15,130 It's not for a very small tent. 259 00:18:15,390 --> 00:18:16,950 Correct, it's not for a very small tent. 260 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:22,310 It's just for ones that meet the qualifications under the fire code, 261 00:18:22,350 --> 00:18:23,930 with the building code. 262 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:27,170 I think it's 20 by 20 in larger. 263 00:18:28,830 --> 00:18:30,470 It's like a big event tent. 264 00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:33,510 Yes. Yes. That was my main question. 265 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:36,650 So, yeah, the ones that the rental companies put up, 266 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:42,450 not the pop-ups from Walmart, where the kids sleep in the backyard. 267 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:44,830 Correct. Those don't apply to this either. 268 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:49,310 All right. Let me see if there's anyone from the public 269 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:51,510 who would like to address this ordinance before council. 270 00:18:54,180 --> 00:18:55,100 Seeing that? 271 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,960 Further questions or discussion? 272 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,280 I've just concerned about the tense. 273 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,520 So I think he's answered that question. 274 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,300 All right, this is the first reading, 275 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:07,200 so we will see this again. 276 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:09,120 We will be sighted in the five-year-olds. 277 00:19:14,460 --> 00:19:16,680 All right, we will move on to second reading. 278 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:19,280 So I'm as far but you may read the first second reading. 279 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,500 An ordinance dedicating certain city-owned real property 280 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:27,540 of letting U.S. route 27 as public right of way. 281 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:29,240 Motion to adopt. 282 00:19:29,860 --> 00:19:31,180 It's not a second. 283 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:32,940 We'll be back after a second. 284 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Second, my Council is navely. 285 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,860 We've got Mr. Otto tonight. 286 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:37,200 Thank you, Mayor. 287 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,240 Councilors, don't have any changes from the first 288 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,140 reading. 289 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:43,420 So just hear the answer any questions you might have. 290 00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:49,290 Is there anyone from the public who would like to address this ordinance before Council? 291 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:51,070 Okay. 292 00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:58,870 Seeing none, I will remind everybody that this just has to do with some parcels of property that we own is just navely to. 293 00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:06,610 I just wanted to thank you Strato for all the work that you and your staff did on this because it's really tedious. 294 00:20:07,150 --> 00:20:12,890 I'm sure to go through and find all those little pieces and I'm very happy that you did. 295 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:14,510 Thank you. Yeah, thank you. 296 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:19,230 So could you just clarify for me because I don't understand the lessons I'm looking at the staff report and it says by 297 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:26,170 This dedicating these stranded parcels is the right of way, maintenance responsibilities will be clarified for both the city and a buddy property owners. 298 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:29,870 What will those mean it's the first responsibilities be after this ordinance? 299 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:31,330 Maybe I'll jump in here. 300 00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:37,430 We had a lot of property that we acquired when we did US-27 North and US-27 South. 301 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:39,430 You'll see that on the list of parcels. 302 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:47,390 And so they became public parcels, but not right away, so we're taking these public parcels 303 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:53,670 and dedicating them as public right away so that that's what this is all about. 304 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:57,770 So who will be responsible for maintaining the private property owner? 305 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,020 It's just kind of a follow-up to that. 306 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:11,500 ask that because this will affect some snow removal areas, the property owners will not have 307 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:16,060 definitely be responsible for snow removal, that we notify these property owners that 308 00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:20,280 they're getting these pieces of property deeded as right away. 309 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:25,140 So we will do that, and of course this ordinance is an effective for if you pass it tonight, 310 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:32,640 it's not effective for 30 days, so we don't expect to have to do anything with these parcels 311 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,160 of this year, 312 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:36,400 but who knows? 313 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,760 No, there not be snow. 314 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,460 Yeah, we say a lot of frayers and stuff like stuff, too. 315 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:45,910 All right, there's been more questions. 316 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:48,050 What called the role? 317 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:49,570 Mr. Bracken? 318 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:49,990 Yes. 319 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:50,710 Mr. Franklin? 320 00:21:51,170 --> 00:21:51,450 Yes. 321 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:52,650 Mr. Nellis? 322 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:53,130 Yes. 323 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:54,150 Mr. Sneagley? 324 00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:54,750 Yes. 325 00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:55,550 Mr. Vince? 326 00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:56,230 Yes. 327 00:21:56,570 --> 00:21:56,990 Marse men. 328 00:21:57,330 --> 00:21:57,570 Yes. 329 00:21:58,710 --> 00:22:00,430 That ordinance is adopted. 330 00:22:01,690 --> 00:22:03,590 We'll move on to our second-second reading, 331 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:05,330 whenever you're ready. 332 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:10,350 And ordinance to regulate the rates and charges to be charged and collected, and the services 333 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:15,650 to be rendered like landlord energy of Oxford Incorporated, it's successors and designs 334 00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:21,790 for gas and gas service furnished to all its customers within the corporate limits of the 335 00:22:21,790 --> 00:22:29,790 city of Oxford during the period ending April 30, 2029, and repealing the AM super seeding the 336 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:29,970 Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video. 337 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:38,200 Number 3689, which together previously regulated such rates, charges and services? Motion to adopt? 338 00:22:38,780 --> 00:22:43,840 Some moved. Second. Second. Second by Councillor Franklin, second by Councillor Nellis. 339 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,000 Mr. Elliot. Yeah, so I'll just summarize what I had read to you in the last reading. 340 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,600 So, we set the rates, the City of Oxford sets the rates for Glenwood Energy's Oxford customers. 341 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,740 And, if an agreement is not reached, Glenwood Energy may apply to the PUCO. 342 00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:08,060 And, as I said before, the main components of Glenwood Energy's rate structures are a gas cost recovery. 343 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:16,260 GCR rate, the fixed meter charge, and the general service rate, GCR, the gas cost recovery rate, 344 00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:21,040 is based on the price which Glenwood must pay to purchase gas and it varies depending 345 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,640 on the market and is passed directly on to the consumer. 346 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:30,440 It is not part of the rate-making process nor is Glenwood entitled to earn a profit on it. 347 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:41,200 The GCR rate, the gas cost per recovery rate, varies and was 9.0217 per MCF for the month 348 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:49,240 of January, 2026, so it comprises about 50 to 70 percent of a customer's monthly bill. 349 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:55,840 This gas cost recovery, a plan would is entitled to collect on several other riders, fees 350 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:01,100 and charges, which remain the same with the proposed ordinance discussed below, with the 351 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:09,160 exception of 1 fee, and that fee is the gas pressure test fee, which is a section 9.5, and 352 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,220 that is increased from $80 to $90. 353 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:15,600 So the city has reached a tentative agreement 354 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 with Glenwood Energy on the proposed rate adjustments. 355 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,240 The proposed ordinance would increase 356 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,760 the monthly residential meter charge for all three years, 357 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,580 from $14 to $22. 358 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,360 That's the residential rate. 359 00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:31,280 And the monthly commercial rate would increase 360 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,800 from $20 to $28 per meter for all three years. 361 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,140 The GSR would remain at the current rate of $3.46. 362 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:45,060 sense per MCF both residential and commercial and industrial customers. I pointed out that Duke 363 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:51,920 Energy's current residential monthly meter charge is 43 dollars in 29 cents. So this is 364 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,360 well below that and so I'm recommending a adoption of this ordinance this evening and these rates 365 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:05,920 would be effective than May 1st. Is there anyone from the public that would like to address this 366 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,980 before Council. 367 00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:09,500 All right, see none. 368 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Council questions? 369 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,240 Savory. 370 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:15,820 Have we done an analysis of other communities and other 371 00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:21,680 gases to find out to one extent these rates will be 372 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,740 in line or above or below what other communities? 373 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:27,880 Well, as I pointed out, we did compare ourselves to do. 374 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:35,880 And the only other private public excuse me, gas company would be the city of 375 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:44,200 all of South West Ohio, they serve as West Chester Liberty, you know, so on and so forth. 376 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:52,900 But so our meter charge is much less than theirs and our gas general service rate is also 377 00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:59,080 less than theirs and I didn't put that in my report but we did look at that and as Jim 378 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,820 bench pointed out the last meeting, they had proposed a lowering of the General Service 379 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:05,480 Rate. 380 00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:11,040 But coupled with that, it wasn't even higher rate for the meter for the second and third 381 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,380 yard. 382 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:18,800 Second and third years, and I didn't feel that that was good for the city. 383 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:29,060 Basically, you have a fixed meter charge, and you have a variable charge based on your 384 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:31,320 Let's say 6,000. 385 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,580 So if somebody, let's say has gas heat. 386 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:51,560 And so they use the gas for about three months, maybe four. 387 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:56,200 Every year, are they still then getting all these basic charges 388 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320 throughout the rest of the year, the other eight months? 389 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,560 Well, the two charges were focused on here, 390 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,160 or the monthly meter charge, and the gas. 391 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,300 That's what I'm talking about. 392 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,600 And so I'm not talking about the variable part. 393 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:10,380 I'm talking about the fixed rates. 394 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,900 Well, the fixed meter charge we've made it 395 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:15,780 the same for all three years. 396 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,060 But it is charged every month. 397 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,380 It's charged every month. 398 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:23,460 Whether people use the gas or not. 399 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,260 If I'll give you a couple of examples now, 400 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,120 this all depends on how high you set your thermostat, 401 00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:31,460 how big your house is, whether it's well 402 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:40,980 later or not. So if the customer uses any year 60 MCF per year and MCF is 1,000 cubic feet, 403 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:50,000 there would be a savings of $46.80 over what Glenwood energy had proposed and that was a much higher 404 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:58,360 meter charge in the second and third years and a lower in the general service rate for someone using 405 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:07,760 80 MCF in a year, the savings is only $14.40 and so you can see that if you're a bigger consumer, 406 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:14,540 you're not going to see the savings that someone that uses 60 MCF per year. 407 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:23,460 And I did point out in my report to Council that in the city of Oxford, excuse me, 408 00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:32,140 with some pages here. If we look at the American Community Survey for 2019 to 2023, there are 409 00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:43,240 5,800 75 occupied housing units and of these 3,122 or 53.1% use a natural gas for home heating fuel 410 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:52,560 and 45% then use electricity for home heating. We have a mix in our community and so we felt 411 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:58,820 The test was the best resolution of their request for an update. 412 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:11,050 So I understand it's the answer that it is the best thing we could have gotten. 413 00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:19,030 I just think it's fundamentally unfair to charge people a meter rate for eight months 414 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:22,550 out of the year when they're not using any gas at all. 415 00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:42,530 And I just think that's a problem, especially for people on fixed income and, you know, who may not use a whole lot of gas and they try very hard to keep their house as cool as they can tolerate to keep the cost down and then they're getting this charge. 416 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:52,770 I have even Billy, I don't use a whole lot of gas, but it runs to like $150 a month. 417 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:59,870 Well that's a lot of money for somebody not using the product really. 418 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:10,980 And just through my council, we did look at Duke in their leader charge, just $23.29, residential meter charge, this proposal is $22. 419 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,540 So we're $21.29, cheaper each month than Duke energy. 420 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:25,830 Has it always historically been done this way? So this is not like a new charge, right? People have been paying this monthly charter charge. 421 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:32,130 And they're used to paying it, and it's not a week ahead on water and sewer ourselves to a fixed charge. 422 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,640 The only difference is we use the water and the sewer every month. 423 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:42,580 We use electricity every month. We don't use necessarily gas. 424 00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:43,980 Right. 425 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:45,380 That's not right. 426 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,720 I suppose some people could have their gas go spread out throughout the year. 427 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Yeah, they had the level of building. 428 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,100 They had the level of building. 429 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:54,140 I don't know that next city. 430 00:30:54,140 --> 00:31:03,800 So if my level building was $153, then imagine what it would be if it was just during the winter months. 431 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:14,040 And like I said, if we don't reach an agreement, they have the opportunity to go to PUCO and file for an increase. 432 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,420 We've always reached an agreement with them. 433 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:27,720 It wasn't that long ago a different company owned the gas company and transfer of ownership 434 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,800 happened in. 435 00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:43,320 I think with this it's a little better to pay a little bit more for your meter a month 436 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,020 than it was going to be for them to increase the basic gas rate in the coming years. 437 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,910 I have the gas seat and a gas hot water heater so I use it every month so I don't feel 438 00:31:53,910 --> 00:32:00,870 But I'd be curious to know how many households just have gas heat and no other gas appliances. 439 00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:05,170 Well, a lot of folks with gas heat also probably have gas water. 440 00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:06,290 Yeah, that's right. 441 00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:07,210 Any 442 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,860 other questions? 443 00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:16,410 All right. 444 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:18,010 The Sparby may call the roll. 445 00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:18,690 Mr. Franklin. 446 00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:19,750 Yes. 447 00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:21,010 Mr. Nellis. 448 00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:21,530 Yes. 449 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:23,250 Mr. Snavely. 450 00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:24,430 Reluctant. Yes. 451 00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:25,730 Mr. Vint. 452 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:26,530 Yes. 453 00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:28,110 Mr. Bracken. Yes. 454 00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:28,930 Marist men. 455 00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:29,730 Yes. 456 00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:36,210 That ordinance is adopted, we will move on to our third and second reading whenever you're ready. 457 00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:42,610 And ordinance amending ordinance number 3844, supplemental budget ordinance number one, 458 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:46,750 to make supplemental appropriations for fiscal year 2026. 459 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:49,410 Motion to adopt. 460 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:51,690 So moved. 461 00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:53,070 Second. 462 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,190 Can I catch the Franklin Second by Councilor Nellis? 463 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:58,230 I'm going back to finance director right now. 464 00:32:58,230 --> 00:33:12,300 Hello again, I bring to before you tonight one change to the supplemental preparation ordinance and that is to add $39,000 to the preparation and revenue for the mayor's court. 465 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,380 with better cost analysis of half of your salaries and start up costs. 466 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:25,680 Jessica was researching some salaries comparable for this position and looked into some of the software. 467 00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:40,360 We will be going on a trip to the city of Monroe tomorrow so we can view all of their software and just processes for their mayor's court so we can get a better handle on all of this. 468 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:46,200 in order to start moving forward, we need to have an appropriation to do so. 469 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:49,480 All right. 470 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,840 Let me see if there's anyone from the public that would like to address this ordinance 471 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,640 before Council. 472 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,080 All right. 473 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:55,760 Seeing none. 474 00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:56,820 Council. 475 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:57,260 Questions? 476 00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:58,960 I do. 477 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,320 I have a couple of questions. 478 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:11,380 The first question is, really, probably, for city manager Elliott, why is it important for us 479 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:21,940 to make this change to the budget now when we're not going to be having a court until much 480 00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:29,120 later. And we don't really know all you haven't even done your comparative study. It could 481 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,800 be higher or lower than we don't know. That's my first question. Why now? 482 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:37,050 Well, it's not 483 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:39,150 that big of a champ let me just 484 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:45,170 know I just don't want any of it in there necessarily until we know what we're getting 485 00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:50,490 well one of the first positions that we need to hire is a mayor's court clerk 486 00:34:50,490 --> 00:34:54,090 and until I have an appropriation I can't do that 487 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:58,290 you know there were some fixed costs that maybe in the original estimate 488 00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:01,850 which was a hundred thousand I think in that we're up to us 489 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:09,970 on 39, that maybe I underestimated, but let me assure you that if this mayor's court turns out 490 00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:13,530 to be a drain for the general fund, those of you that have worked with me in every 491 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:20,170 years will know that I'll be the first to kind of recommend to you that we undo it and then 492 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:26,390 send everybody over to Hamilton. But right now I feel that the revenue that we bring in is going 493 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:33,130 meet our expenses, you know, unlike a mayor's court, every mayor's court budget that I looked at, 494 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:38,850 and that was at least half a dozen, is subsidized by the general fund in those cities. 495 00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:44,850 And even the area one court in area two and three is subsidized by the county. 496 00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:49,990 You know, it has some revenue that comes in, but it only covers about 50% of their cost. 497 00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:59,070 Mayor's courts don't have the same expenses and they typically meet the expenses they have with the fines and 498 00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:00,210 forfeitures they have. 499 00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:09,070 So, but if it proves different, I'll be the first to come in and say, let's undo this because we don't need a drain on the general fund. 500 00:36:09,070 --> 00:36:17,350 So, a lot of these charges that finds and so forth that would come to the mayor's court, 501 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:25,010 are they given by Miami University police or are they all given by City of Oxford? 502 00:36:25,230 --> 00:36:28,970 Right now, I believe that Miami police side under the state law. 503 00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:32,530 I understand that, and that's going to be the second part of my question. 504 00:36:32,730 --> 00:36:38,130 So they will have to go to Hamilton unless they decide to tell site under the Oxford kind of mind. 505 00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:42,370 So have you talked with Miami University yet? 506 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:45,490 I think Chief Jones has mentioned it to them, 507 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:46,750 but that'll be their decision. 508 00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:53,550 And it just seems to me, I'm not opposed to a mayor's court. 509 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:56,750 I've already spoken in favor of the concept. 510 00:36:58,370 --> 00:37:04,110 But if Miami does not cooperate, then this makes no sense at all. 511 00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:05,890 It's an absolute waste of our money. 512 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:14,330 in my opinion, if, in fact, you're correct that the majority of the ticket writing would be made by my university. 513 00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:15,790 Well, that's not the case. 514 00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:19,110 Well, that's what was my question, and you just answered it. 515 00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:25,470 No, I believe that you'll find that we side a lot more students. 516 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,970 and Miami do it for underage, drinking, why is that because most of it occurred. 517 00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:44,950 So don't you think though we should find out whether Miami University is willing to cooperate with us before we expend $139,000 in our budget? 518 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:52,010 this is just an estimate. I understand that it depends on when we get it up and running, you know, I would have 519 00:37:52,010 --> 00:38:00,010 stay on outside it to suggest that I had underestimated and I would have gone with it. I was fearful that it would raise the 520 00:38:00,010 --> 00:38:11,770 And it has the bottom line as we really don't know until we advertise for a magistrate and decide what we have to pay, we'll have a contract with that person. 521 00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:14,950 But as far as Miami is concerned, 522 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:27,310 if we don't have their case load, it'll be that many less cases that will have that fewer hours that the magistrate will need to be paid in the prosecutor. 523 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:40,530 So, you know, this is all, we're looking at Monroe because I believe their case load will be similar to ours, and, you know, but I get it, this is brand new. 524 00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:44,510 We've never had a mayor school, well, and we did have a mayor school years ago. 525 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:53,710 I can't tell you what it's just to exist, probably when the Harry one court came in, but, you know, this is brand new. 526 00:38:53,710 --> 00:39:23,070 We're using the best examples that we have and like I said, it will not be a burden on the general fund or I'll be the first to come in and tell you that we need to undo this and, you know, the effect, the unintended consequence will be the effect on the lawyers that come here that are, you know, in town and also the businesses uptown that get that self coffee sandwiches when the area one court meets. 527 00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:33,510 But, you know, I'm focused on our general fund as you know, and if it's a drain on the general fund, I will come in and tell you that this is not working out. 528 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:40,470 So, if that happens, what happens to the three people that we employ? 529 00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:46,690 Well, I have a contract with two of them, and the third one will be a full time employable across that bridge. 530 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:50,290 So, it's like a pretty big bridge? 531 00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:52,810 Well, I believe it's going to work out. 532 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:58,050 So just to provide a little bit of an alternative perspective, I guess. 533 00:39:58,470 --> 00:40:04,390 In general, my concern, and I think most of the public and the commentators concerns about 534 00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:09,690 me as courts that cities use them as cash printing machines, they overutilize them to generate 535 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:10,170 revenue. 536 00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:16,390 And I think it takes a lot of careful thinking to not turn them into that. 537 00:40:16,610 --> 00:40:19,270 And so I'm hoping that Oxford is not going to do that. 538 00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:22,350 Like, I'm hoping that we're not going to use it as a cast generating machine. 539 00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:25,810 I hope that we'll use it just to break even, and I'm pretty caught. 540 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:27,210 I mean, yeah, I agree. 541 00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:33,890 So I think that, you know, I'm not concerned about us abusing the system, you know, 542 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:41,330 most of the places where they abuse it, let's say, happen to be small villages or they set up 543 00:40:41,330 --> 00:40:42,330 speed traps. 544 00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:47,170 I was a victim of one, some 30 years ago, at least I felt that way. 545 00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:52,810 I got a speeding ticket and went into the Layers Court and paid my back then, it was $150, 546 00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:59,710 which I thought was a lot very high, but you know, we don't write a lot of speeding tickets. 547 00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:07,690 We write a lot of tickets for a disorderly conduct, underage, drinking things of that nature. 548 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:14,170 So I don't believe, you know, you'll have the final say, I mean, if you get criticism that we're abusing it, 549 00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:20,550 We're about to model our rates after we've been rose and bought Gary one board now, charges 550 00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:25,450 and so I don't think you'll find that's the case. 551 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:27,420 Good night. 552 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,520 I'm sorry, Councilor Perk. 553 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,560 Well, okay. 554 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:37,160 I know Councillor French regrets that she's not able to be here tonight. 555 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,840 She's expressed some concerns as well and I share many of them. 556 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,820 I alluded to wanting to have maybe some kind of report. 557 00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:50,880 I know the report we're basing this on is nine years ago and perhaps the outcome itself 558 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,460 would still say if you're going to have some kind of court it would have to be a mayor's court. 559 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:04,520 But things are very different now than they were then in terms of, you know, what is the cost benefit analysis, 560 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:12,860 having officers going to Hamilton for sustain here. I feel like when I was on PCRC we spent 561 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:19,200 a lot of time in a working group talking and meeting with different people before any appropriations 562 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,320 were made for social service liaison. There was just a lot, I think we knew a lot more. We understood 563 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:36,060 a lot more. This feels like a much bigger step to do with out as much information. And 564 00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:40,040 when when Councillor French mentioned to report, it's not necessarily like spending 565 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,380 whatever it would be $30,000 to hire an outside agency, but perhaps there's some ways that 566 00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:52,540 we could find out estimated costs for labor or overtime going to Hamilton versus staying here. 567 00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:57,120 We could do nothing, right? 568 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,020 Like that is an option, right? 569 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,160 I'm not having a mayor's court at all. 570 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:09,260 And we won't really know what it's like to do nothing with the students around unless we 571 00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:14,560 are willing to do that through an academic year, at least half of the academic year. 572 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,260 We've been saying that we can wait until the summer through the summer, but that's still 573 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:22,140 not a good representation of what things will be like. 574 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:29,820 Another possible concern is people can appeal the charge that's done here, right, to Hamilton. 575 00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:37,020 And if they're dismissed there, what have you, we would have spent money on a magistrate 576 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:47,720 to prosecute or let me those rights that the right language that I'm using there, that they might get overturned and not end up having to pay the city the fees. 577 00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:57,880 I mean, I just feel like there are a lot of things we don't, we don't quite know yet, and I feel like it's feeling a little bit rushed, actually. 578 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:06,420 I've expressed some concern before, but I'm wondering, I'd like to hear from other council members, and I'm willing to make a motion as well. 579 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:08,120 But let's talk about this. 580 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,060 So a couple of things. 581 00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,340 One, by way of background, I was a public defender for 11 years. 582 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,240 It was Deputy Director of Montgomery County. 583 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,560 I've been pureed in mayor's court representing criminal defendants. 584 00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:25,100 There is no question that there is our segments in Ohio, 585 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,900 areas in Ohio, where mayor's court's have been abused. 586 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,160 When Chief Justice Moore was with the Ohio Supreme Court, 587 00:44:33,180 --> 00:44:36,300 he led an initiative because he was not a fan of mayor's courts. 588 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:48,960 But the mayor's course that I've experienced is a criminal defense attorney in cities like Springbro, or Marine, where I appeared in Marine as a public defender. 589 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,900 I found them to be ethical. 590 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,240 I found them to be in some ways cost effective. 591 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,580 And there's a system that's set in place. 592 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,960 Things that there would be a public defender that would be under contract. So there would be court appointed council for those in the chest. 593 00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:21,420 There's also a number of soft expenses that you've alluded to that I think we're going to be fighting out because the court can't be established until the Hamilton's already up and running. So that there's going to be some data coming back as this process starts. 594 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:33,160 But there's other things too, so for example, my hypothesizing that there's going to be a number of students that can't get to court. 595 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:44,860 And I suspect there's going to be warrants that are issued for them, that it's going to lead to some attention by either the Miami Police Department or by the City Police Department. 596 00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:49,580 warrants by definition mean you take people into custody custody means you got a book 597 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:56,940 a man. There are a lot of variables there that haven't all been determined. I've 598 00:45:56,940 --> 00:46:00,840 certainly had a lot of discussions with Doug about this in the implementation. 599 00:46:02,860 --> 00:46:03,800 I think 600 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,980 that going forward to get the data in the appropriation doesn't necessarily mean the money 601 00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:17,260 yet spent either, but I will just say this is the law director, I think that the exploration 602 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:24,220 of the mayor's court is a good idea for the benefit of this community, and then as someone 603 00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:29,760 who's appeared in them before, I think that there are benefits that occur to the community 604 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,220 in the citizens of the population that would be served as well. 605 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:37,650 It's a good question. 606 00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:43,450 So maybe it's because I'm an attorney, but I've had some experience in this area, but I'm 607 00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:49,010 comfortable with what we're doing here because as I said, the last time we discussed this, 608 00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:54,250 council is going to retain oversight over this function. Right? If things go sideways, 609 00:46:55,470 --> 00:47:00,310 it's council's job to call it out. I'm going to be watching a mayor's court like a hot to make 610 00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:08,410 sure that it's not being abused and properly. The other thing that made it a city attorney can 611 00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:13,710 on is it's probably pretty doubtful that someone who comes to Mayor's court is going to actually 612 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:20,010 appeal their case to, you know, municipal court. I mean, that's going to cost them a fortune, right? 613 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:27,030 Yeah. Well, it's almost certain that what you typically see is the, I've seen both sides, 614 00:47:28,570 --> 00:47:31,250 the Mayor's court that have appeared in Montgomery County's public defender, 615 00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:37,790 you didn't want to go to the municipal court where they were affiliated. You'd rather be there 616 00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:40,870 because the mayor was far more lenient 617 00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:42,650 than the two judges at the time. 618 00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:46,710 I suspect that there may be some truth in that too 619 00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:50,430 as it relates to Hamilton versus the mayor's court here. 620 00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:52,290 I mean, just because I'm comfortable with it, 621 00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:55,450 I understand that the rest of you are not as comfortable 622 00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:58,290 with the legal system and might have discomfort with it, 623 00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:03,110 but I'm just saying personally that I'm going to do what I can 624 00:48:03,110 --> 00:48:05,530 to make sure that this is done correctly. 625 00:48:05,530 --> 00:48:12,600 And I'm not uncomfortable with the idea of a mayor's court. 626 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:19,320 I'm uncomfortable with a pig in a poke, which we've got $139,000. 627 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,720 And we don't know how a dime of that is actually Alex is not true. 628 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,080 Well, where is our budget? 629 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:31,160 We need to see the budget on what if you're going to interrupt me to say that. 630 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:41,480 And you had better produce for us how that $139,000, it's not in our packet, it is not in our information that we have. 631 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:47,240 We just have a number. We don't know where that number came from. We don't know what it. 632 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,820 And you may very well have a very clear idea of where that money is attributable, but we don't know that. 633 00:48:53,820 --> 00:49:01,220 So I think it's very difficult as city counselors for us to vote on putting something in the 634 00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:04,260 budget when we don't know where that number comes from. 635 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:12,380 You could have put in $530,000 with the same amount of information that we've had. 636 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,760 Well, I did send out a line item budget to counsel. 637 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,200 It's not in the packet, but there was a line item budget that we sent out. 638 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,540 I don't have that. 639 00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:30,810 Look, I know this is a brand new thing and there seems to be some doubts about our figures 640 00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:37,050 We're going to have at least three months going to Hamilton and seeing how that works out 641 00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:42,870 So why are we doing this today? I'm asking myself that 642 00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:51,790 Because I think you could come back at our next meeting with a budget and more information about Monroe and we'd all go great 643 00:49:51,790 --> 00:49:57,290 I don't know what I have to pay the magistrate until we find someone, it'll be an hourly 644 00:49:57,290 --> 00:50:02,730 great and I don't know what I'll have to pay the prosecutor, it'll be an hourly rate 645 00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:12,330 and a lot of that will depend on the case, the case load, and anyway, I'm sure it knows. 646 00:50:14,110 --> 00:50:20,170 I think this goes back to the meeting, I think it was maybe two previous to this one. 647 00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:30,250 When the issue was first brought up of the mayor's court and I was asking for an updated report. 648 00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:34,370 Now, it's been repeated again. 649 00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:41,490 So I think that there is a lack of information that we need to fill in. 650 00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:49,910 And as was just described, I feel if we got a little more of that nuts and bolts of what's going to be 651 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:55,450 involved where the money is actually being identified to be spent. 652 00:50:56,570 --> 00:51:00,510 That might make it a little easier for another vote on this. 653 00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:03,510 Maybe the next meeting with some more of this information. 654 00:51:05,310 --> 00:51:06,370 I mean, that's fine with me. 655 00:51:07,090 --> 00:51:11,410 Just to back up the city manager, I don't remember you sending it to the budget. 656 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:18,050 You had a $70,000 for the prosecutor or $70,000 for the magistrate. 657 00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:20,530 Maybe I didn't know I apologize about it. 658 00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:24,210 I mean you did send it, but it's an option to, 659 00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:27,570 like, I mean, do you need the seed money, like right away? 660 00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:35,510 Okay, I need something in place before I can hire a court. 661 00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:37,250 So I just didn't know if the... 662 00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:38,850 I thought we could purchase the software, 663 00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:41,570 which I do have firm prices on that. 664 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,220 I mean, I don't know if it would make sense to ask for less now 665 00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:48,800 and then come back later in the year and ask for it more. 666 00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:49,500 I don't know. 667 00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:50,680 Is that where we're really talking about? 668 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,040 They won't be for not pushing back on staff when they said you ought to ask for more 669 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:01,780 because they were asking the same questions, you really know that I don't get this in a brand new 670 00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:02,200 venture, 671 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,660 but I don't think we're far off the market, but you know, council, you can make 672 00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,980 your own decision now, respect it. 673 00:52:13,610 --> 00:52:13,710 Right. 674 00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:16,810 Yeah, I feel like there's three different things going on here. 675 00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:26,730 Like Jim, I agree. I'm not worried about us using it because I'm also going to be watching this like a log and we're going to put in rules. I'm sure that make sure you can't get abused. 676 00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:29,970 Either increase your revenue or increasing our budget with the rent. 677 00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:57,440 I'm not worried about that. I'm actually not worried about the budget because I trust us. If that money is not used, it'll come back. I have no worries there. I do worry in general, this happened really fast, which I sent when this vote first came up, that it was like, here's our choices, and one, we didn't explore the do nothing option, which doesn't mean much in itself, but it creates optionality for what else we can do with our building, with our resources, with everything else. 678 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:13,020 So, I grew with Amber and I think Alex, because I think you're representing maybe some of her thoughts, that I would love to slow down and consider that optionality, even though I too don't have an issue with going forward with Mayor's court, as long as it's the best choice. I just don't know if that's just yet. 679 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,360 So that's where I go. 680 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:23,020 I also, I appreciate what everyone's saying about, you know, watching the mayor's court 681 00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:28,420 like a hawk. And again, not necessarily entirely opposed to it, Ohio and Louisiana, 682 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:35,120 or the only states that have this practice. But I'm also thinking about, like, what systems 683 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,600 are in place when we're not around, right? Like, you know, people run for council, different 684 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,900 people like in the future is this something that could be abused by other people. 685 00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:51,040 I mean we talk about policies that are in place, but that's just something to keep in mind 686 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,820 as well. 687 00:53:52,380 --> 00:53:54,520 But I think we've had a robust discussion. 688 00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:02,340 I would like to make a motion, see if I can get a second, to remove the line item for issue 689 00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:16,300 one from the appropriations budget so removing the $139,000 and passing it without that, that's my 690 00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:26,920 motion. Is that an acceptable motion? To a motion to remove that item from the appropriations 691 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,000 budget. And yeah, that is the motion. That's the motion. 692 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,640 All right, we have a motion, and we have a second. 693 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,880 Now we have a second. 694 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,260 Yeah, now we have a second. 695 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,200 All right. 696 00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:50,040 So I think that's not a bad motion simply because I just think we need, 697 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,900 I'm not opposed to the mayor's court idea. 698 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:56,460 I just, I feel very uncomfortable. 699 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,060 Everything else on our, the budget here, 700 00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:01,980 we kind of know what, where the money's going, 701 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,340 and what it's for. 702 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,480 And it's just a real big thing 703 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,200 that we don't know exactly how it's put together. 704 00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:15,700 Apparently something was said that I missed, 705 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,900 but I just would like some time for us 706 00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:46,640 to think about it and to find out what the numbers are, and I think when you go to Monroe you'll probably learn a lot more about how they pay their prosecutor and their magistrate and so forth, and that will be informative and the number that you come up with may be higher than this, it may be lower than this, but it will at least be informed, and so that's why I second it the motion. 707 00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:54,760 So I'm not necessarily opposed to you doing this for a month or however long we need to 708 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,460 consider it, but I don't necessarily agree with the motion because all it does is strike 709 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,720 the $139,000 number, but doesn't say anything about what has to happen next. 710 00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:11,640 I don't want to just strike that and leave that with no direction. 711 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:20,340 And I mean, maybe part of the motion is with the city manager providing a report on our 712 00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:23,520 before blank day for council's consideration, something like that. 713 00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:27,780 I don't know what information everyone is looking for, but I want to make it sure that the 714 00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:33,060 city knows what information we particularly want, so it can responsibly address it in a timely 715 00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:33,400 manner. 716 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,660 So we don't come here again in three weeks and I have the same discussion, asking for different 717 00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:39,120 numbers. 718 00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:48,590 So I agree with that. I think there's almost two sides to it. One is to figure out the near-term budget issues that can happen pretty quick. 719 00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:57,710 The other is, do we want to put this off for part of a school year semester to see what happens when we do a do nothing option for several months? 720 00:56:58,150 --> 00:57:02,150 Which also slows down the whole process so we get time to figure out the budget and everything else? 721 00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:05,550 I think I would be for that. 722 00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:14,850 I'm not sure that's a good idea, but the first, what I consider the mayor's court was 723 00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:19,570 been presented to us as all the reasons why it's a good idea, but there's also what 724 00:57:19,570 --> 00:57:23,610 the pitfalls are if we decide not to do that. 725 00:57:24,090 --> 00:57:31,410 And I think the pitfalls are, in fact, on some businesses in town, certainly, if I was in 726 00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:36,450 law office that primarily dealt with people who were coming to this court. 727 00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:45,010 I would be in a quandary to know, should we just pack up and move to Hamilton or should 728 00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:48,450 we stick around and see how it goes? 729 00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:51,650 So I don't know that that's the case. 730 00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:55,770 I just really want more definition as far as the motion. 731 00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:59,730 I'm not worried that Doug's going to forget about it. 732 00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:07,110 I think if a through this discussion he tells to come back at our next meeting with some detail and 733 00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:15,790 it will be fine and we'll have a motion to adjust and it will be based on information. 734 00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:20,730 That's sort of the split, though. Some of us are worried about the budget. Some of us aren't. 735 00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:24,530 Some are worried about that. Others are worried about the long-term situation. 736 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:39,710 I just don't know how much I'm low to combat, but I will on this one and maybe it's not appropriate, but it seems to me there's a difference between an appropriation and an expenditure. 737 00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:51,670 The appropriation does not lead to the expenditure and what you're saying is you want more information and you could still do the appropriation and then say to staff, 738 00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:57,670 We do not we don't want you to do any expenditures until we see it because we want to approve it 739 00:59:01,850 --> 00:59:07,070 I'll okay with those pony. I mean, that's fine. So the other thing chasing in response to 740 00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:18,250 And response directly response to your question. I think another cost is going to be having our police officers have to run Hamilton all the time, right? 741 00:59:18,450 --> 00:59:22,410 Yeah, they do some of that. I mean, well, I mean, yeah, but if they're I mean, if we don't have a mayor's court here 742 00:59:22,410 --> 00:59:25,690 They're going to all those cases are in Hamilton and are police forces going to have to go 743 00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:25,990 to Hamilton. 744 00:59:26,090 --> 00:59:28,470 Yeah, when they have to go to court, they'll go to Hamilton. 745 00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:32,750 But that's sort of the probability of being able to get a sense of that, right? 746 00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:33,930 For a specific matter. 747 00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:38,710 I mean, it's going to happen because we know we have a docket here and it's going away. 748 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:44,410 I don't think we know all the problems and revendipits that come through it because I think 749 00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:47,050 the whole thing went too fast, but that's me. 750 00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:49,290 And I express that the first time that's given. 751 00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:57,330 I'm wondering if I can ask Chief Jones, do you have anything to add to this conversation that you'd like to share? 752 00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:59,890 I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I just did. 753 01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:03,120 Yeah, thank you. 754 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,240 My pleasure. 755 01:00:05,860 --> 01:00:11,500 No, I mean, yes, certainly will be sending officers to Hamilton. We'll be running paperwork to Hamilton. 756 01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:17,740 Well, so that'll be an expense, but there's also expenses with mayor's court that we haven't 757 01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:23,100 really sat down as a staff and talked about. That's kind of the purpose of going to Monroe tomorrow. 758 01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:28,420 I want to ask questions about what happens with someone fails to appear on your warrant in mayor's court. 759 01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:33,940 and they have to go to jail. Well, the jail accept them. There's some challenges. We drop back 760 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:41,180 from Monroe on that and the cost of sending someone to jail. So, I mean, there's there's 761 01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:48,700 cost both ways and that's a staff. I'm more concerned with the operations. I'm not as concerned about 762 01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:54,960 the revenue, the funding, my concern is operations. And in fact, I mean, with listening to 763 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,780 So talk about being a watchdog, you know, I'm thinking are you a watchdog on the police 764 01:00:59,780 --> 01:01:05,380 because you know, if we're writing more tickets this week, you know, versus next month. 765 01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:11,560 So there's all kinds of concerns with this that I, you know, I'm not going to give you an answer. 766 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,960 I'm going to be like a lawyer and say it depends. 767 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,940 But yeah, so there's, we're still way in through that. 768 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,320 And we're still, we'll learn a lot tomorrow. 769 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,460 I think by talking to Monroe. 770 01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:26,040 Thank you. 771 01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:30,890 I'm going to have a question. 772 01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:36,370 Is it possible to table us a part of it? 773 01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:40,330 I know we robber true, but I have no idea about that. 774 01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:42,390 Well, I was just going to have with the motion. 775 01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:46,790 We'll be fine, because we can put another one on that 776 01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:47,470 and that's meeting. 777 01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:48,530 It takes two readings. 778 01:01:48,930 --> 01:01:49,830 It's effective immediately. 779 01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:53,830 We, all right, this will postpone advertising 780 01:01:53,830 --> 01:02:00,690 for the court clerk. But that's fine. I'm not in any rush and I guess maybe I've come off that 781 01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:07,410 way but I forget that none of you are on council when we did that study. So I have to remind 782 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:13,290 myself and I don't think the studies out in date of anything all the cost have gone up because you 783 01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:17,690 pay more for staff. My issue with the study was that we didn't consider the do nothing option 784 01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:22,930 and what optionality it provides us there which again might not be better but I don't think it was 785 01:02:22,930 --> 01:02:29,730 ever really considered well you know we've had that discussion the fact that the police 786 01:02:29,730 --> 01:02:33,450 are going to spend more time in Hamilton it's going to have an effect on the uptown 787 01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:42,570 businesses you know but other than that you know it's it's not that bad but deal but you 788 01:02:42,570 --> 01:02:47,530 know I guess I'm concerned about the businesses and the students are gone in month between 789 01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:52,890 that I met, spring and quarter, they're gone for basically three months in the summer. 790 01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:56,210 You know, our businesses struggle during that time period. 791 01:02:56,210 --> 01:03:00,570 Why take away the business that they get from this court? 792 01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:04,650 I think we need more misdemeanors in the level of crime to puff up on business. 793 01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:11,390 I'm sorry, there's one other thing I want to, the other question that nobody's raised yet 794 01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:16,710 directly is that the officers who were going to be going to Hamilton 795 01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:19,790 and are likely the officers who were patrol officers, 796 01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:22,230 because they're going to the ones who were sighting. 797 01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:23,950 So the question is, generically, 798 01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:27,530 does that have an impact on the public safety component 799 01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:30,010 because are there fewer officers on the street 800 01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:31,290 during whatever segment? 801 01:03:31,290 --> 01:03:32,830 I don't think that requires an answer, 802 01:03:33,590 --> 01:03:35,970 it's just a factoid that's relevant. 803 01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:38,590 And we're going to know more of that, 804 01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:40,530 because there'll be at least three months 805 01:03:40,530 --> 01:03:41,870 that will be gone over the Hamilton, 806 01:03:42,050 --> 01:03:45,330 but it'll be three months, probably one and a half 807 01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:51,270 when the students will be gone, so it's a pretty like case load that typically, so but we're 808 01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:55,690 going to have some experience there. So just for clarification, Saker, are there any specific 809 01:03:55,690 --> 01:04:01,610 expenses or costs that Council wants to see included in a, you know, but potential budget. 810 01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:07,390 Like, or do you want like a six month budget, a one year? I mean, how are we going to do this? 811 01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:12,850 Senate developer one year by one year? We had that and I apologize, but I didn't send it out to you. I thought 812 01:04:12,850 --> 01:04:14,330 I did, I sent out a whole bunch of things. 813 01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:18,170 It was sent out on March 10th, but you know, 814 01:04:18,570 --> 01:04:21,690 but, you know, every week we're learning more 815 01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:23,370 and we'll be able to get the more information, 816 01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:24,730 but this is brand new venture. 817 01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:26,030 I get it, you know, I mean, 818 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,260 I'd love nothing better 819 01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:31,060 than have not had to work on this. 820 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:31,740 Be quite frankly. 821 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,660 Can I say something? 822 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:34,440 You right? 823 01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:36,260 Just from an operational standpoint, 824 01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:39,540 because finance is going to kind of be involved. 825 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,820 We'll know more tomorrow once we go with. 826 01:04:41,820 --> 01:04:53,460 But from a implementation standpoint, we would rather do it not when the students are here to be honest with you because it's going to be a learning curve for all of us and just like with everything else. 827 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:54,880 That's just my two cents. 828 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,500 As far as the Mayor Court, Mayor Court, if you really, 829 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:08,440 that kind of stuff doesn't affect me, but figuring out reporting to the state and all of this stuff. 830 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,540 I would rather do it when we're not slammed with students as well. 831 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,860 So that's just the design. 832 01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:16,770 I think yes, we move on. 833 01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:18,330 We're going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead. 834 01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:18,730 All right. 835 01:05:18,730 --> 01:05:20,370 I suggest we vote on the amendment. 836 01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:21,050 Get movement. 837 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:23,410 Yes, let's vote on the amendment. 838 01:05:24,290 --> 01:05:25,730 The spur, where you call. 839 01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:26,310 All in favor. 840 01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:27,590 It's a voice vote. 841 01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:28,190 Voice vote. 842 01:05:28,750 --> 01:05:29,270 All right. 843 01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:30,270 On the amendment. 844 01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:31,050 On the amendment. 845 01:05:31,050 --> 01:05:32,030 Yeah, voting on the amendment. 846 01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:33,230 All in favor. 847 01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:34,130 Please say aye. 848 01:05:34,450 --> 01:05:34,870 Aye. 849 01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:36,170 Opposed? 850 01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:37,110 Aye. 851 01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:39,770 All right. 852 01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:45,790 the amendment is adopted. Now we'll go back to the original ordinance as amended. 853 01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:53,090 And I believe we asked for public comment. We've had, is there any discussion on the rest of the ordinance? 854 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:00,600 Ms. Barbara, you may call the roll on the ordinance as amended. 855 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:10,380 Ms. Ornellis? Yes. Mr. Snavely? Yes. Mr. Venge. Yes. Mr. Bracken? Yes. 856 01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:18,660 Miss Franklin? Yes. Yes. Yes. Or this is adopted. We will now move on to announcement 857 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:21,940 and communications. I'll start with Mr. Elliott. 858 01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:25,960 I'll just have a couple of things like was said earlier. We are going to visit and 859 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:32,620 Rose Mayer's court. The court clerk is graciously agreed to meet with us. So it will be 860 01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:39,520 a consistent city manager. Please chief finance director myself. So we'll learn some more information 861 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,320 And we'll be providing that with you. 862 01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:47,160 So the other thing I wanted to share with you is that the ambassador's point community 863 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:54,020 church, excuse me, is planning a building on some land that's outside the city, but as 864 01:06:54,020 --> 01:06:56,700 contiguous to land that they own within the city. 865 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,980 So we're exploring the annexation of these three parcels. 866 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:08,200 So I think you'll have an annexation resolution to vote on, maybe within the next month. 867 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,820 and I plan to serve as the statutory agent, 868 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,740 so I'm working on that petition now. 869 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,060 This is basically three parcels 870 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,640 that are continuous to their parcels 871 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,220 on College Corner Pike. 872 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,780 It would be 6.753 acres, 873 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,320 so I'll keep you posted on that. 874 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,460 That's all I have this evening. 875 01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:26,940 Thank you. 876 01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:28,480 Strato. 877 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:30,840 Do you feel 878 01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:49,930 it appears most of my student audience has left? No, it's a prepared form, but I was, I was going to mention that this, this Thursday will be the last day of area one court. 879 01:07:50,350 --> 01:08:03,850 Ironically, it's also the infamous Supreme Heritage. So you'll see a heavy police presence will be out focused on safety trying to defer as you have probably experienced. 880 01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:09,270 it's much less of an event than it used to be, I think, due to some of that 881 01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:14,270 police presence, so we hope that we'll continue. So for the students that are here 882 01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:19,630 or maybe watching, they'll also be leaving for spring break. Just some tips for them 883 01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:25,230 is please don't leave your cars on the street. We have a 72-hour ordinance for a reason. 884 01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:31,350 Water main break. We have to tell your car if it's in the way. I hope we don't have to deal with 885 01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:39,050 weather, but sometimes we do. So please don't leave your cars on the street. Also sign up for 886 01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:44,330 our vacant house checklist, an off-circle visit your house, make sure it's secure, and then 887 01:08:44,330 --> 01:08:51,770 we have contact info if there's any problem found. Then lastly just to drive safely and take traffic 888 01:08:51,770 --> 01:08:58,550 safety into buying as you head out into spring break. So just few of those tips I just wanted to share. 889 01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:59,850 Thank you. 890 01:08:59,870 --> 01:09:00,150 Thank you. 891 01:09:00,370 --> 01:09:00,930 Right now. 892 01:09:02,290 --> 01:09:03,110 Do you leverage? 893 01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:09,920 Mr. Smith. 894 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,700 A couple of quick things. 895 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:13,460 Good evening, Mayor. 896 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,280 Counselors. 897 01:09:14,980 --> 01:09:20,960 I just wanted to announce that last week we kicked off our master planning process with the consultants. 898 01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:22,020 They were in town. 899 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,080 I met with the city manager and some of us on staff. 900 01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:27,180 And we've kicked off the master planning. 901 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,260 So we'll be more to come. 902 01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:31,560 There's some email correspondence you may or may not have seen yet. 903 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:40,520 And the next big chapter in this year-long exercise is April 22nd, 23rd, the consultants will be back in town. 904 01:09:40,900 --> 01:09:48,400 We'll be holding steering, committee meetings, focus groups, and when I'm really excited about the big emphasis on community engagement, 905 01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:51,260 we'll be at town hall for the public to attend. 906 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,640 We'll be serving, going out in the meantime. 907 01:09:54,760 --> 01:10:00,600 So they're doing a very thorough job, and we'll be more news to come as we get all that detail wrap together 908 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,480 and make some announcements. But April 22nd, we'll be at Town Hall, Parks Master Planning, 909 01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:12,800 it's pretty exciting. Also, just a quick update on a partnership, we were really excited to get 910 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:18,480 to get done with Miami Aquatic Center, the Miami Rec Center, so we'll be partnering with them 911 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:23,160 and holding our in-service for life card certifications. That may seem like kind of out in the 912 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:29,080 weeds, kind of a small detail, but that is very impactful for our staff as typically they would wait 913 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:44,000 until it warmed up, and our pool has been to certify the 40 or so life guards now with this partnership with Miami, and an indoor pool, they can get certified ahead of the season, which may allow us to even open up the facility earlier for the community. 914 01:10:44,000 --> 01:11:05,480 So, that's exciting. And then lastly, we, there's second to last, excuse me, we will now be a Red Cross CPR First Aid Training Facility, which costs us nothing at the TRI Community Center, and several of our staff as well as some of Chief Jones's officers will be certified as CPR First Aid and Structors. 915 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:13,620 Again, huge advantage there for us because then we'll be able to certify those instructors will be able to certify city staff throughout the year. 916 01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:21,840 So huge for recruitment and even retention for a lot of the parks and next staff as many of those seasonal positions we require to have first aid CPR. 917 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:30,540 So excited to get those to training opportunities and partnerships underway. And then lastly, my shameless plug for seasonal hiring. 918 01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:35,640 we were still looking to fill positions, go to the City of Oxford website, if you know anyone 919 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:44,200 looking for a summer job, please apply. Thank you, I'm sorry. It's very, it's great. It's 920 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,200 warmer? Nothing, thank you. 921 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:55,940 So, it's 100 years ago, the Aquinas Club of Oxford was found it. 922 01:11:55,940 --> 01:12:03,820 So this year they're celebrating their 100th anniversary and one of the things that they do is the annual Pancake Day, 923 01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:08,980 which almost everybody that I've ever talked to and Oxford has been to, 924 01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:12,940 but I want to alert people that it's April 25th. 925 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:22,420 Also, I have some tickets that I will make available to Council and staff and there will be no charge. 926 01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:29,880 So if you want to donate something to Kuanus later, you're welcome too, but these are on me. 927 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:36,200 For everybody else, find somebody who is a Kuanian and buy some tickets. 928 01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:39,960 They're really cheap for all you can eat. It's all inclusive. 929 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:49,120 Just have fun. Good luck and stay safe on Thursday. Nothing more. 930 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,580 Nothing for me. 931 01:12:51,860 --> 01:12:52,820 Nothing for me either. 932 01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:54,860 I have something. 933 01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:06,300 The month of March is recognized as Women's History Month, and I have 934 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:21,660 to recognize and congratulate the historic season that the Miami women's basketball team had and their rock-in 935 01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:33,120 Mac Championship. Way to go, Red House. That was a great game, too. Real nail biker. That's it. 936 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:46,060 All right, I've got three quick ones, so I learned this week that Rumpke is doing a new program that involves these orange trash bags that you can get at various places. 937 01:13:46,060 --> 01:14:00,920 I think Walmart, Crogors and Lowe's, and you can put what is known as hard to recycle items into them such as styrofoam peanuts, egg cartons, regular plastic grocery bags, 938 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:06,760 And some styrofoam, like you would take out containers and things like that. 939 01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:08,520 So, so those are available. 940 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,680 I also wanted to say to our student population, make good choices on Thursday. 941 01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:16,940 If not, the chief is ready for you. 942 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,320 And I would also like to say to both the men's and women's basketball team, well-felt 943 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,120 congratulations, and we are ready to support them in their individual quest for a national 944 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,580 championship. 945 01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:36,400 Yeah, that would even be that I see Terry and whatever with that may I have a motion to adjourn 946 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:38,840 Second 947 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,680 Move by council again, second by council Franklin all those in favor, please say aye 948 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,280 Right, and we shall eventually write next to the hotel. 949 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:26,020 I'm just assuming I'm just didn't because I was a person, I'm just assuming I'm just didn't because I was a person.