1 00:00:22,130 --> 00:00:33,150 Council Member Espinoza, Council Member Beckmeyer is here, Vice Mayor Wright, Mayor Bulls here. 2 00:00:36,900 --> 00:00:40,320 Thank you all for being here today. I'd love to say a full room. 3 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:50,940 I just want to start by reminding everyone that you need to put a parking pass on your car if you're parked out here in the lot, and those are little slips that are found right downstairs. 4 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:59,580 And then I'm going to start with just a general announcement about public comments at the meeting. 5 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:05,160 So public meetings are a limited public forum, meaning that there are rules for commenting of these meetings. 6 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Comments on non-agendized items must address matters within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city 7 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,220 and comments on non-agendized items must relate to that specific item. 8 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,260 If comments do not fall into one of these categories, the city will provide you with an initial warning 9 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:23,720 to stay within the subject manager's section of the city or on topic. 10 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,520 If the warning is not followed, I will direct the city clerk to cut off the microphone. 11 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:32,800 And throughout this morning's system, I'll seek the assistance of the city attorney and 12 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,480 identifying comments not related to the agenda item or not within the subject manager's 13 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,800 section of the city. 14 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,720 So I'll start with taking a breath and reading our land acknowledgement. 15 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:53,420 The city of Pacifica acknowledges that we occupy the unseated ancestral homeland of the 16 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:58,600 Ramotish alony peoples, who are the original inhabitants of the San Francisco Peninsula. 17 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,420 We honor the Ramotish alony peoples for their enduring commitment to Mother Earth. 18 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,700 As the indigenous protectors of this land, an importance with their traditions, the Ramotish 19 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:14,020 alony have never seated, lost, nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers 20 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:19,100 of this place, as well as for all the peoples who reside in their traditional territory. 21 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,860 We refer them their sovereign rights as first peoples, and wish to pay our respects to 22 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:29,200 the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the Romantic and Shalomese peoples. 23 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:37,840 Councillor Mbrees, may I ask myself, may I ask myself, may I ask myself, may I ask 24 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:47,880 and to be part of it for which stands one nation on the guard in the digital with liberty and justice for all. 25 00:02:55,580 --> 00:03:00,400 So we are starting our council meeting with a couple of proclamations. 26 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:14,080 The first is about suicide prevention month, and I want to invite Bernard Buriantos from the San Mateo County suicide prevention committee to join us. 27 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,760 So I'll read the proper question first. 28 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:28,560 We're asked the City of Pacifica and San Mateo County will join the country and state in honoring 29 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:35,660 Suicide Prevention Month in September National Suicide Prevention Week September 6, 12 and 30 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:40,660 World Suicide Prevention Days September 10 to spread the message that Suicide 31 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:41,740 can be prevented. 32 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:50,180 And whereas in 2025, 65 people died by suicide in San Mateo County, and 9,212 33 00:03:50,180 --> 00:04:01,420 calls, 173 chats, and 1,735 text messages were received by the 988 suicide and crisis 34 00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:06,720 lifeline that is operated by Felton Institute's Peninsula suicide prevention. 35 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:16,960 And whereas residents of the city Pacifica are urged to play a role in supporting each other and preventing suicide by knowing the signs of suicidal thoughts, 36 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:25,020 finding the words of support, and sharing connections to local resources, including the 988 suicide and crisis lifeline. 37 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:33,460 Alternatives to suicide peer support group by heart and soul, suicide loss support group by mission 38 00:04:33,460 --> 00:04:38,820 hospice and home care, and be sensitive, be brave, and mental health first aid trainings. 39 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:45,040 And whereas the San Mateo County Public Health, policy and planning, behavioral health and recovery 40 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,540 services, suicide prevention committee and partners are collectively organizing activities 41 00:04:50,540 --> 00:04:56,660 that our community can participate in throughout September suicide prevention month, including 42 00:04:56,660 --> 00:05:03,460 free and person and virtual events, advocacy days and communication campaign with ongoing 43 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:11,020 updates posted at SMChealth.org slash suicide prevention month. And whereas the 2016, 44 00:05:11,780 --> 00:05:19,240 the Weight Week carry recognises that many people, particularly LGBTQ plus individuals, racial 45 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:25,980 and ethnic minorities, veterans, men and boys, and people with severe psychiatric diagnoses, 46 00:05:26,620 --> 00:05:32,460 carry heavy, often silent emotional burdens, trauma, and mental health struggles. It is a reminder 47 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:38,280 that no one has to bear that hardship alone, and asking for help as an act of deep courage. 48 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:45,840 And whereas the governor's executive order in dash 31-25 focuses attention on men and boys 49 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:50,420 with disproportionately high rates of suicide that are often overlooked. 50 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,840 Yet, carry invisible burdens such as emotional pain, 51 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,420 stress, grief, isolation, and expectations. 52 00:05:58,540 --> 00:06:01,780 And whereas the 2024 San Mateo County Board of Supervisors 53 00:06:01,780 --> 00:06:05,220 Resolution declaring loneliness, a public health crisis, 54 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,020 calls on our community to reduce stigma, 55 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,520 strengthen social connection and belonging, 56 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,200 and ensure that no one has to carry these burdens alone. 57 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:20,080 And whereas beyond September you can join the San Mateo County Suicide Prevention Committee, 58 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,720 which provides oversight and direction to suicide prevention efforts in the county, 59 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:30,540 and advances the submission by focusing on strategies and activities in the Suicide Prevention 60 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:33,680 roadmap, 2021 to 2026. 61 00:06:34,340 --> 00:06:38,520 The roadmap recommends activities that span across the continuum of care, 62 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,840 including stable housing, education and trainings, and risk appropriate treatment. 63 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,380 Now, therefore, I, Christine Bols, on behalf of the City Council of the City of Pacifica 64 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:56,060 and all its citizens, do hereby designate September 2026 as suicide prevention month in 65 00:06:56,060 --> 00:07:01,620 the City of Pacifica and call upon everyone in the City of Pacifica to find their role in 66 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:02,700 suicide prevention. 67 00:07:05,980 --> 00:07:11,740 What do you like to say somewhere outside that I don't think, so thank you and good evening. 68 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,060 So my name is Bernabarian Toes. 69 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,740 I issue her pronouns, and I'm a licensed clinical social worker, and a member of the San Mateo 70 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:22,180 County Suicide Prevention Committee. 71 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,600 So I just wanted to let folks know that the Suicide Prevention Committee meetings are open 72 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,360 to the public. 73 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Everyone's welcome. 74 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:46,460 I would like to thank the City of Pacifica, Marables and the Pacifica City Council members for recognizing September 2026 as suicide prevention month. 75 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,120 I know the topic of suicide as well as mental challenges are difficult to discuss. 76 00:07:52,120 --> 00:08:01,900 And the best way to support those of us living with mental challenges and suicidal ideation is by talking openly and honestly about these topics. 77 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:12,340 Suicide prevention is near and dear to my heart. In October 2023 my steps in Joshua Marsland completed suicide. 78 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:19,960 Not a day goes by that I don't think about him, what his life could have been, and just 79 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,020 that I mismderely. 80 00:08:24,410 --> 00:08:29,410 As a suicide law survivor, I feel it is important to talk about suicide prevention so 81 00:08:29,410 --> 00:08:33,610 that hopefully others do not go through the pain and anguish that myself and my family 82 00:08:33,610 --> 00:08:34,610 has been through. 83 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:38,050 Suicide affects a lot of people. 84 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:44,930 Researchers have found that up to 135 people are affected to some degree by every person 85 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:48,230 lost to suicide, 135 people. 86 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:50,470 That is a lot of grief in the world. 87 00:08:52,910 --> 00:08:55,170 While talking about suicide can be uncomfortable, 88 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:58,090 I assure you, living through a suicide attempt 89 00:08:58,090 --> 00:09:00,190 or completion feels a lot worse. 90 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:05,450 A few ways all of us in this room 91 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:08,510 can make these conversations easier, 92 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:12,030 include getting comfortable with some of the following. 93 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:15,230 For example, ask the question, 94 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:17,730 Are you thinking of killing yourself? 95 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:24,230 This opens a dialogue and lets the person and distress know you are someone they can talk to. 96 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:29,310 And no, you will not put the ideas instead if you ask this question. 97 00:09:29,730 --> 00:09:33,210 In fact, the opposite is true. You just might have to save a life. 98 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:42,920 After asking someone if they are thinking of suicide, you can direct them to call or text 988, the suicide crisis lifeline. 99 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:50,080 980 is available nationwide and is opened 24, 7, 365 days a year. 100 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:54,260 You can also offer to sit with the person while they make this potentially life-saving 101 00:09:56,610 --> 00:09:57,130 call. 102 00:09:57,390 --> 00:10:02,010 It heads up, 980 is not just for those going through a mental health crisis. 103 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:05,610 980 also offers emotional support as well. 104 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:10,710 This is a great resource for family members and friends of those who may be having mental 105 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:13,910 challenges and want someone to talk to themselves. 106 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:19,270 So I ask you, please help to spread the word about 988. 107 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:21,150 Again, this could save a life. 108 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,000 For more information about Suicide Prevention, I recommend checking out 988lifeline.org 109 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:36,160 and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention at AFSP.org. 110 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,700 So thank you again to Pacifica for this buckleation and for standing with San Mateo County 111 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:47,980 community, and preventing suicide, promoting connection, and reminding everyone that help 112 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:54,180 is available. Together, we can help ensure that we practice our own self-care and support 113 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:58,360 each other. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. 114 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,700 What any council members like to? 115 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:03,620 I'll go ahead. 116 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,900 Hi, it evening. Thank you so much for being here tonight. I really appreciate it. 117 00:11:12,430 --> 00:11:12,930 The most 118 00:11:12,930 --> 00:11:15,990 important thing is to prevent suicide, right? 119 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:19,570 And by having taken the be sensitive, 120 00:11:19,710 --> 00:11:22,130 be brave training a couple times, 121 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:26,590 I think it's just such a worthy training for our communities. 122 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:28,330 And we were able to bring the training here 123 00:11:28,330 --> 00:11:29,790 through the libraries at one point. 124 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,670 And I think we need to do it again. 125 00:11:32,250 --> 00:11:34,490 We should probably do it on an annual basis. 126 00:11:34,630 --> 00:11:38,210 Just so folks can experience what it feels like 127 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:41,730 to learn how to talk to each other, right? 128 00:11:41,730 --> 00:11:44,410 because it's such a taboo topic. 129 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:46,910 There was two suicides in my family. 130 00:11:47,690 --> 00:11:52,250 And I don't think we ever really talked about it. 131 00:11:52,510 --> 00:11:53,650 It was like pushed under the word. 132 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:58,730 Well, he did this, but, and I think the beauty 133 00:11:58,730 --> 00:12:02,750 of having these coalitions and commissions 134 00:12:02,750 --> 00:12:06,890 and trainings is that we learn that it's OK to talk about it. 135 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:10,470 And that there's resources out there to support family members 136 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:13,950 to our grieving, right, but first and foremost, 137 00:12:14,410 --> 00:12:16,710 is to support the folks that are suffering 138 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:18,470 and thinking of ending their own lives. 139 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:21,450 And so I really appreciate you being here, 140 00:12:21,710 --> 00:12:25,950 spreading awareness, and we'll work to get that training here again. 141 00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:26,990 Thank you. 142 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,760 Not an easy topic for anyone, and it is a true tragedy 143 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,760 that we've lost 65 people in our county. 144 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:50,620 At the same time, no, it's through the work of people like you that take those 9-D-212 calls. 145 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:55,620 And those are small victories in comparison to the tragedy, 146 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,620 but they are small victories together. 147 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,340 We can demonstrate that there's hope and be there for each other 148 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:05,780 and listen to each other and help each other. 149 00:13:05,780 --> 00:13:08,880 And I want to thank you for trying to turn a tragedy 150 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,540 into something that potentially could prevent some in the future. 151 00:13:14,020 --> 00:13:14,940 Thank you. 152 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:24,830 I would like to echo what Councilmember Beer said about bringing the training back. 153 00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:26,730 I was able to do it myself. 154 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:35,750 And I would like to add to that outreach to Pacifica School District and to Jefferson Union High School District. 155 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:44,090 Just at the top of my head that are local to see about staff training in the same vein. 156 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:48,870 And thank you so much for sharing your story and for being here. 157 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:59,340 I will say, if you know, well, I grew up with 14 siblings. 158 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:26,160 And we were usually paying attention to each other when you each other and I think it's important to pay attention to see like what we do is that if we see someone depressed we will ask them to let's do go to something let's do some activities to take them out of you know where they are. 159 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:41,540 And I believe that we have to pay a little more attention to our friends and relatives and they don't have to suffer along which would be there to help them and get resources. 160 00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:49,820 If we don't, there are resources available also to make sure that we pay attention. 161 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Thank you. 162 00:14:55,570 --> 00:14:59,970 I appreciate that you say it's okay to ask the question, or are you thinking about that? 163 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:25,840 I would never think about asking that. You see someone who's maybe a little aloof or sad and I don't know. And our society would say, oh, how are you? And you just expect a happy answer or I'm okay and nobody ever follows up, right? But you're sensing something, taking another little minute to try to find out how they're really doing and maybe spend a little time with them and maybe maybe get to asking that question. 164 00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:33,640 When my daughter was in her first year of college at MIT, there were three suicides among 165 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,600 her class, that first year. 166 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:39,300 Like you don't know, like there's so much pressure. 167 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:43,460 I mean, we talk about all the different parts of society that have so much pressure for 168 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:47,580 kids or under so much pressure, and to think of these smart kids who did all that work 169 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:53,420 to get there, and yet it was too much right to take their lives this one and what they were 170 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:59,360 starting with promise, they design their school rings with a star for each one of those kids, 171 00:15:59,460 --> 00:16:02,860 which is really beautiful, but it's a life that didn't need to be lost. 172 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:10,140 So, yes, let's do what we can to help get the word out, help get more training, so we can 173 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:15,280 protect our people that have full lives ahead of them, yeah, thank you so much. 174 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,320 So, I have a proclamation here, I don't know if we have a lot on our, we can take a picture, 175 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,300 or just give it to you as you would love? 176 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:27,440 Okay, okay. 177 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:30,140 And then we have one more proclamation for National Preparedness month. 178 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:35,900 And so I want to invite Clyde Preston from the North County Fire Tower of 30, 60 inspectors. 179 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,400 Thanks for being here with us tonight. 180 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:44,840 Okay, Proclamation of the City Pacific and Reclamation of National Preparedness Month September 181 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,700 2026. 182 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,140 I'm sorry any might or glass. 183 00:17:50,290 --> 00:17:55,110 Whereas during September the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, and the National 184 00:17:55,110 --> 00:18:00,570 Preparedness Month Coalition, urge all Americans to better prepare their families for emergencies 185 00:18:00,570 --> 00:18:07,330 by acknowledging this year's theme, Americans stand ready, and whereas National Preparedness 186 00:18:07,330 --> 00:18:12,250 month encourages individuals and families to take an active role in their own preparedness, 187 00:18:12,610 --> 00:18:17,930 including creating emergency plans and building kits, which include three days of non-perishable 188 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:25,310 food and water, a battery-powered or crank radio, a flashlight first aid kit, whistle, dust 189 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:31,650 mass, cell phone with charger, noise-tellets, medications, duct tape, and other supplies. 190 00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:38,090 And whereas national preparedness months from promotes the use of technology resources, including 191 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:46,670 SMC Alert, the Genesis Protect App, and websites like NorthcountyFire.gov, Protect.genesis.com, 192 00:18:46,910 --> 00:18:52,390 and Ready.gov, which provide educational resources, as well as update information about critical 193 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:55,350 emergencies, weather, and evacuations. 194 00:18:56,250 --> 00:19:00,790 And whereas it is highly recommended that our citizens become better educated by participating 195 00:19:00,790 --> 00:19:06,710 in local and regional classes, such as tsunami and earthquake preparedness classes, and fire 196 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:11,850 prevention and medication provided by Pacific Police and North County Fire and others. 197 00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:17,810 And whereas, in the event of a major city or regional disaster, emergency responders may 198 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:23,230 be overwhelmed with large-scale issues, and we regularly encourage residents to participate 199 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:27,570 and Community Emergency Response Team or SERT training. 200 00:19:28,530 --> 00:19:34,390 SERT provides education for residents about disaster preparedness and trains in basic disaster 201 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:41,190 response skills such as fire safety, light search and rescue, team organization and disaster 202 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:46,730 medical operations so that SERT members can assist others in their neighborhood or workplace 203 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:51,210 following an event when professional responders are not immediately available to help. 204 00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:56,130 Now, therefore, I, Christine Bulls, on behalf of the City Council of the City of Pacifica 205 00:19:56,130 --> 00:20:02,770 and all of the citizens, do hereby proclaim September 2026 as National Preparedness Month 206 00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:09,070 in the City of Pacifica and encourage all Pacifica residents to increase their knowledge of proper safety measures 207 00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:19,210 to follow the four during and after disaster and to prepare now to ensure the best protection of their families and neighbors in the event of the disaster. 208 00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:28,130 Thank you so much for declaring September National Prepared Dispunt here in the City of Pacific. 209 00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:34,690 And the timing is perfect as I just want to let everyone know here in the audience tonight and watching at home. 210 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:41,990 There will be a certain series of classes starting next week as a matter of fact next Thursday night. 211 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:44,610 It's hosted by our own Pacifica Police Department. 212 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:51,050 It'll be at the police station, and it'll be for the seven Thursday nights in one Saturday, 213 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:52,590 and they still have openings. 214 00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:57,070 So if anybody who's watching tonight would like to get involved with the Sir, the Community 215 00:20:57,070 --> 00:21:01,750 Emergency Response Team Training, it is free, open to all Pacifica residents. 216 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:08,150 You can go online to the Pacifica website, type in Sir, as all the information you can sign 217 00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:08,590 up. 218 00:21:08,590 --> 00:21:14,870 It's actually training. It is a somewhat of a time commitment for those seven-thirds days and that one Saturday, 219 00:21:15,530 --> 00:21:22,350 but it is information that you can use to protect your home, your family, your co-workers before 220 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:28,830 during and after-northquake. So it's time, well spent and we encourage all residents to take advantage of that. 221 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:34,510 If not this series, there's going to be other series as we have done in the past. So thank you so much for 222 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:38,450 raising that awareness for the community here tonight and for this month. 223 00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:39,510 Thank you. 224 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,500 They wouldn't like to say anything, we don't all have to say anything. 225 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:55,280 Well, I would definitely like to start up by saying thank you, you guys are out there 226 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:02,940 looking out for us 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. 227 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,960 I think going through something like the served program we're talking about, seven days plus 228 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:16,760 one Saturday, it's not that big and asking that the very least to just have us consider thinking 229 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,380 about it and doing a little bit to prepare, to take care of our own selves, isn't a big 230 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:27,260 ass, you're a big left, but the first part is getting a communication out there, you're out there 231 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:29,980 do in that representing us, trying to... 232 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:48,740 I hope us all help ourselves and help our neighbors. I truly thank you for that. I want Pacifica to be a safer place. We do have tsunamis. We do have earthquakes. We do have threat of forest fires. And thanks for being there and taking care of us all. Thank you. 233 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,240 Thank you so much for keeping us safe. 234 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:58,160 All of us live here on the coast. 235 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,940 Preparinance is not an option. 236 00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:03,400 We have to do that. 237 00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:06,620 I encourage everyone watching, 238 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:13,360 every family watching to just take a small step to prepare a bag. 239 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,720 Just in case. 240 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,880 You never know when something's going to happen. 241 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:19,820 Thank you. 242 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:34,560 I'm going to encourage people to check their bag, I used to keep one all the time and I opened it and the baby clothes were in there, the kids were ten and I said, yeah, that's not going to work. 243 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:43,280 Need to make sure that you have that crank radio that flashlight I mean, right, and pet food. 244 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,800 That's what I was just going to say and that, you know, those were just things that I hadn't 245 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,980 really thought of and because kids grow fast, having those extra clothes or whatever you might 246 00:23:54,980 --> 00:24:00,000 have in there, you might need to update that. Even though you know you have the bag ready. 247 00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:06,300 Thank you so much for all you do. And I just want to make another plug for the search training. 248 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:12,260 I did it with my husband and my kids, one in middle school and one in high school at the time, 249 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:14,560 And let me tell you, they weren't really studying that book. 250 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,480 I mean, I can still tell you what kind of fire extinguisher you need and how to use it. 251 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,420 But, you know, it's really about you not being a victim first, helping your own family. 252 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,540 And then you might have seniors or others in your neighborhood so you look out for each other. 253 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:34,800 So you're there because it may take a few days before our firefighters and police can arrive, 254 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,220 you know, in the event of a major disaster like an earthquake. 255 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:47,240 I was October 17th coming up on its anniversary, my gobag hasn't been checked in a little while. 256 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,220 And then we might have a super al Nino coming this winter. 257 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:56,240 So have your sandbags ready ahead of time. 258 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:59,840 Look at those hills that might have some erosion and landslides. 259 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,280 And really just be careful and mindful every day and report things. 260 00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:06,340 Make sure storm drains are cleaned around you. 261 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:10,420 It's about us all being prepared individually and then together as a community. 262 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,160 So, yeah, thank you so much. 263 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,000 And I'll just thank all the first responders for everything that you do for us every single day. 264 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:21,220 Thank you so much. 265 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:22,040 Thank you. 266 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,020 Thank you. 267 00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:24,620 And would you like a picture? 268 00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:28,480 Would you like a 269 00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:16,030 picture? 270 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:34,730 So, a couple of things before we move on to consent. 271 00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:38,610 If anyone would like to make a public comment about the two proclamations, 272 00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:44,950 You can come up now and fill out a card later, and do we have anyone online? 273 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,070 We have one raise now, okay. 274 00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:48,970 Please go ahead. 275 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:50,410 It is for Lila Reniro. 276 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:54,010 Go ahead Lila. 277 00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:55,870 Hi, can you hear me? 278 00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:56,650 Yep. 279 00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:58,870 Hi, this is Lila Reniro. 280 00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:02,590 I have done the search training and it is so informative and awesome. 281 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:07,570 Just one clarification though, the upcoming search training program with the Pacific 282 00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:12,750 Police Department is currently full with a wait list. I know this because I just try 283 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:18,110 helping my young adult daughter to sign up today. It is full and my daughter's number one 284 00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:24,290 on the wait list. Okay, thank you for letting us know. I'd like to thank you for letting us know. 285 00:27:24,290 --> 00:27:29,210 Does anyone else on? There are no other raised hands. Okay, and then Kimberly Finalee? 286 00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:36,870 I could have been council members and community members, city staff from Kimberly Finalee Pacific 287 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:44,490 a resident. I wanted to just have expressed my sincere appreciation for both the proclamation 288 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:51,890 and the presenters of them, the awareness on both topics is really, really important for 289 00:27:51,890 --> 00:28:00,930 all of our community members. And I have personal experience with the cert training. I was in 290 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:07,790 first graduating class after COVID after the pause from COVID and it was just an 291 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:11,610 invaluable experience. I did it with my dad and his wife and we just had a 292 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:18,110 really nice time but the seven weeks goes by really quickly. The training is 293 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:25,030 excellent. The training is free. They just do an amazing job so I want to give 294 00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:33,470 my heartfelt thank you and urge any community members who are interested in community emergency 295 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:40,730 response to take advantage of this free program because anyone can learn it and you 296 00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:42,830 will feel like a superhero when you graduate. 297 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:44,170 Thank you. 298 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:45,270 Thank you so much. 299 00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:46,150 Can really. 300 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:50,850 Okay, with that, I'll close public comment and then one of the things I forgot to do was to ask 301 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:53,470 if there was a close session or a program or a program that you're meeting. 302 00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:54,310 Yes. 303 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:58,130 I do want to note for the record that there is no reportable action from either of the 304 00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:58,970 closed sessions tonight. 305 00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,610 Thank you so much. 306 00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:01,330 All right. 307 00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:04,070 So that moves us to our consent calendar. 308 00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:09,350 So are there any council members who'd like to pull an item off consent? 309 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:22,480 Item 5. 310 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 And I'm going to ask the city manager to do a presentation first. 311 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,160 So if you can just hold your question on that. 312 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,860 I have a question on item 9. 313 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:32,980 Okay. 314 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:45,320 should we allow you to do the presentation first and then maybe take questions on the other 315 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,980 before public comment. 316 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:47,420 Thank you. 317 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,120 So this is about the peer. 318 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,700 Good evening, Shunch up into your city manager. 319 00:29:57,140 --> 00:29:59,960 To provide a quick update on item number five. 320 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,860 Just a little bit of background on June 4th, a large crack was identified in the abutment that the Pacific 321 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:13,720 Unisable Peer. The Peer was promptly closed. The city declared a state of emergency, the county declared 322 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:21,520 a state of emergency for us. We submitted to CaloES for the governor's declared a state of emergency 323 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:29,880 and for emergency technical and financial assistance from the state. We are still in the emergency 324 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,240 stabilization mode, and the action before you tonight is an important milestone in that 325 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:44,560 process. It is to ratify my execution of a contract with power engineering construction 326 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:52,480 to do investigation, design, and construction of the emergency stabilization work at the municipal 327 00:30:52,480 --> 00:31:00,080 here. The good news is that we will be moving forward with hopefully construction, 328 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:04,260 designing construction projects that will stabilize, provide the emergency stabilization 329 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:12,720 necessary to prevent the peer situation from getting worse. One note is that this 330 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:19,760 work will not do the construction, designer construction work necessary to bring the peer 331 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,540 back to it's original use, and that is next phase, but before we can get to that phase, 332 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:33,420 we have to ensure that the peer is stabilized and deterioration slows or stops altogether. 333 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,580 And that is what this contract does. There are several phases. It is an iterative contract. 334 00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:48,640 The first one is investigation. They will be preparing their own investigation of the existing 335 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,840 conditions, and then they'll move into the design of the phase that would stabilize the first 336 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,820 span of the pier, and right now they're proposing to do that with pylons and a bracing, 337 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,300 and that would help to prevent the abutment from sinking further and also take tension off 338 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,380 the other spans of the pier. 339 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:16,140 Then they will move into the design and construction of efforts to protect beach boulevard, 340 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:19,680 And there are two aspects that we're looking at. 341 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:24,080 One is a sort of sheet piles, along the edge of beach boulevard. 342 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:29,140 And then one is a sort of protective sheet piles around the abutment. 343 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:32,480 And both of those would serve to help to stabilize 344 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,160 beach boulevard from future damage. 345 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,740 It is set up as a design progressive design contract. 346 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,480 So it'll be working with the designers of the contractor. 347 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:53,860 and the work will be authorized in phases, and for the fiscal impact, as mentioned, we have 348 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:58,360 submitted to Kahlo AS for financial reimbursement and we're also working with our insurance 349 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:07,140 company, and it's our intent to complete this work in advance or to the best of our ability 350 00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:10,380 in advance of the winter storms, 351 00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:17,150 and that concludes my presentation or my summary and we're 352 00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:18,510 available if there are any questions. 353 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,230 Okay, did you have some questions? 354 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:24,340 Some of them. 355 00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:34,500 But what is the total cost ceiling on this agreement or there is no cap at all? 356 00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:41,850 There is a process, if you look at section 3.5 and the contract, it allows us to 357 00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:43,530 authorize work in phases. 358 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:54,890 The contractor did provide some rough order and magnitude construction estimates, but they are very preliminary, and those are in the contract as well. 359 00:33:55,410 --> 00:34:04,950 So the work will be authorized as we accomplish each stage and as available funding from, as mentioned, either CaloES or the insurance company is available. 360 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:13,430 I understand that we only got one bid on this job. Is that right? 361 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:22,710 That's correct. We submitted to under our emergency authorization. We submitted the proposal to three maritime construction firms. 362 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:32,330 And it's really the known universe of qualified maritime construction firms in Northern California and much of California. 363 00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:37,610 And we were in close contact with all of them and we did receive one bid. That's correct. 364 00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:45,950 Yeah, it's kind of difficult to find out that's the fair price because we only had. 365 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:48,770 So it's kind of like, but what can we do? 366 00:34:48,970 --> 00:34:55,130 So the other one is that share of the total cost, 367 00:34:55,770 --> 00:35:00,050 the stuff, expect, insurance, you already talk about the insurance, 368 00:35:00,110 --> 00:35:01,290 I understand that. 369 00:35:01,950 --> 00:35:09,910 So what is the exposure, if reimbursement is not, 370 00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:13,250 it's fall short, and you don't have, right? 371 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:19,250 We would limit that exposure by not authorizing that work until we had funds. 372 00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:21,230 That is the goal. 373 00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:24,550 The risk of doing nothing is great. 374 00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:32,470 Given the need to stabilize it and now is the time to be doing construction before the winter storms occur. 375 00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:40,750 So that explains why that's the rationale for moving forward quickly and under my executive authority 376 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:43,650 and asking the council to ratify that. 377 00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:52,750 It's kind of a couple of questions too, so you say we'll be getting prices for the different 378 00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:57,630 phases as we go to those end up coming back to us when there's a little bit more information 379 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:04,850 or do you have full emergency emergency manager to approve those? 380 00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:07,750 I think it depends on the order of magnitude. 381 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:24,350 We know the amount that we've a reasonably likely to receive from CaloIS or insurance, so as long as it's within that, and also if there's timing, we come back to Council, but we are in a situation in emergency situation where we don't want to miss a week. 382 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:32,310 And if we're not spending the money if it's coming from others, it's probably not something that we need to necessarily apply not, especially in this emergency. 383 00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:36,270 Like when we go to the next stage of what are we doing with the peer that's a different conversation. 384 00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:48,610 And we can work with the Council to give regular updates as Council sees appropriate on what works been authorized and what funding has been committed. 385 00:36:49,670 --> 00:37:02,930 Okay, and then I know some of the boulders were taken from the C-wall south of the peer to be able to shore up the abutment, you know, from, yeah, deteriorating further. 386 00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:12,930 I understand, that's a whole separate project and contract that will also be working on simultaneously here before the winter. Maybe you could talk about that a little bit. 387 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:19,350 It is our intent to, so we did mine boulders from south of the pier to shore up the abutment. 388 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:24,150 And that was one of the reasons why we think the sinking of the abutment has slowed so dramatically. 389 00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:29,370 We did this in the early days of the emergency, and it is our goal and intent. 390 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,940 To replace those boulders before the rainy season, and we're looking at a variety of ways to do that 391 00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:42,200 through either this contractor or other emergency contracts, but we're fully aware of that concern 392 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:47,020 and plan to remedy that before the rainy season. 393 00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,360 Thank you so much. 394 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:52,740 Okay, and then item 9, you had a question? 395 00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:59,980 Just a quick question on this particular study that we're being 396 00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:04,020 ask to approve who is paying for the cost for that? 397 00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:10,850 The applicant property owner will be paying the cost for that, and the city will not proceed 398 00:38:10,850 --> 00:38:13,590 with any work until funded by the property owner. 399 00:38:15,830 --> 00:38:16,950 Thank you. 400 00:38:17,530 --> 00:38:27,330 Okay, and with that we'll move on to public comments on the consent calendar, and a few people 401 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:28,530 didn't say they were on consent. 402 00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:35,230 So, again, these are only comments related to items 1, 2, 11 on the consent calendar. 403 00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:39,630 There'll be a time right after this for comments on anything not on the agenda. 404 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:47,330 So, catagalms you wrote to make tech number 1, but I don't think number 1 is on the consent calendar. 405 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:48,530 Is that for general? 406 00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:49,930 Public comment? 407 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:52,460 Oh, the peer. 408 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:53,720 All right. 409 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:59,060 where you can come up now, and then Michael Women and then Sam Kaseyas. 410 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:09,520 Good evening, City Council, staff, and community members. 411 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:16,040 My name is Cata Gomes, Rami Tush, descendant from the village of Timic Talk, along Clare Creek. 412 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,440 You know, it takes a very special person to be able to have the vision of taking a negative 413 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,740 situation and turning it into a positive. 414 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:35,060 And I want to thank the former speakers and representatives who make that their life's work. 415 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:43,640 I think the situation with the peer is an opportunity for us to have a more long-term vision 416 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:52,280 of what could happen here, to take a negative, and take this peer that's crumbling and falling 417 00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:02,440 apart and to use it in the future as a possibility of having an offshore reef and normally 418 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:11,840 I'm opposed to any armoring or sea walls. It's a very short term vision, a bandaid, 419 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:21,780 on a situation that's much larger. So I would like it that the pilings that are being installed 420 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:33,480 in the future could also be part of that offshore reef and I hope that our city leaders here 421 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:40,620 can have the vision to look beyond the immediate emotional attachment to this structure 422 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:50,500 and to think about how it could benefit the whole community not only to stabilize and to diminish 423 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:57,160 the impact of erosion along the coast from the offshore reef. But also to create habitat. 424 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:06,280 So that's always a priority for me is creating habitat. So I thank you all and I hope you 425 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,920 keep a broad vision on what can be as we move forward into the future. Thank you. 426 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:20,460 Thank you so much, 427 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:25,820 questions, draws over again. I'm not sure if you're on general public comment or on the 428 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:29,080 consent agenda. So come up with that's for a break. 429 00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:34,240 I like mayor of the vice mayor. You don't, my turn? Okay, great. I'm like 430 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:41,720 woman. Is that good, D2? Thank you mayor, vice mayor, city council staff and members of 431 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:48,420 the public. Speaking today about the consent calendar item one, general budget, approval of 432 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:57,400 And looking through the list, and it's not really super clear to a general member of the public as to what each of these expenses are. 433 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,960 I don't know if it's even necessarily clear to City Council or to this staff. 434 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:09,040 But it'd be extremely helpful to be able to drill into these and see, hey, this expense is related to this contract. 435 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,680 This is milestone six. This is what's left in that budget item. 436 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,400 Because I see items in here of the $5 million, we're like $2.5 million dollars. 437 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,320 I could answer to what this was, plan JPA. 438 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,000 Apparently this is a joint insurance program for multiple city minospobies. 439 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,720 Great, awesome. 440 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,800 Well, what does that provide us for coverage? 441 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,920 Well, what percentage of that is that of one-time fee? 442 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,120 Is that monthly quarterly? 443 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:37,720 It's semi-annually, no way to tell that from here. 444 00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:40,780 Other things, I mean, I see law enforcement tools. 445 00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:49,960 I see money to an RV park, it's just not at all clear what the expenses, what the frequency 446 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,340 of that expenses, what the ceiling of that expense will be. 447 00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:58,840 And without that kind of information, how can people understand what is it we're spending? 448 00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:05,320 So I know we have a budget crisis here, we need to raise more income, but we also need 449 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,260 to track our expenditures. 450 00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:13,800 So please provide the public and city staff, a method by which we can actually look into these items. 451 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,740 My preference would be perhaps an online tool that you can just search, maybe see an Excel spreadsheet, click into and say, 452 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,040 ah, this is how much we paid, you know, the sign guy this year. 453 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:26,860 Thank you. 454 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:30,540 Sam? 455 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,180 Can you see us? 456 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,000 Please go ahead. 457 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,200 Good evening, City Council. 458 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,160 Tonight I would like to address consent item number nine, 459 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,160 the approval of the consulting services agreement 460 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,300 with Recon consultants for the Hillside Meadows Project. 461 00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:51,740 I am providing comments on it because there is a serious issue 462 00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:54,380 with the contract and the full scope of the project. 463 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,380 I'm a lifelong advocate for our affordable safe housing 464 00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,420 and this project just isn't it. 465 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,940 The whole community is a poses project 466 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:09,180 because it is an ecological hazard zone that most likely should not be built on contains protected species 467 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:13,480 and should be considered in the larger scope of the full true development that includes a 468 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:20,920 linamar development application, which sits on a fire hazard zone. The applicant needs to include 469 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,260 both parts of the development application as one development, but so to appropriately address all EIR issues. 470 00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:30,940 and task 4.1, the updated biological resource assessment. 471 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920 There's several issues with it. 472 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,120 First, the total impact traffic mitigation, 473 00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,080 including emergency egress, 474 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:40,320 can not be adequately addressed without including 475 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,900 the full potential build-out of the parcels 476 00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:46,100 that need to include SB9, SB10, 477 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960 and other recent density bonus considerations 478 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,720 in the impact of the larger Dlinomar Woods project. 479 00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:55,780 The project also sits on a natural depression 480 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:59,960 since it sits in the watershed of the Lindemar Valley and also includes. 481 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:16,860 Use the watershed runoff coming from Shamrock Ranch. This site will naturally have a shallow water table and underground springs causing any development on it to result in significant flood water runoff to the adjacent homes down below in Linda Marr, which we know we have to protect. 482 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:22,220 This runoff impacts impact needs to be addressed in the EIR. 483 00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:27,860 The proposal also states that Rinkong will assess the existence of protected species, including 484 00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:30,880 crutches, bumblebee, and the Western ponderonal. 485 00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:35,640 But it does not address the assessment of the California Red League frog, which has a 486 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:41,860 high likelihood of habitat at this site due to the wetland characteristics and they identified 487 00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:48,200 habitats upstream at Chevrolet Ranch in the area below San Pedro Habitat, San Pedro 488 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,500 Creek Habitat. For all these concerns outlined above, the site requires a much more 489 00:45:53,500 --> 00:46:00,020 expanded scope for the EIR to address all the practical environmental impacts and is necessary 490 00:46:00,020 --> 00:46:03,580 for the component to be compliant with SIGWA. Thank you very much. 491 00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:07,090 Thank you, Sam. 492 00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:14,350 And Sebastian, I'm guessing I'm going to save your car for general public comment. 493 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:18,890 So that's all I have on the Consequent Courser Anyone online? 494 00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:19,830 Your no-reasons. 495 00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:22,730 With that, I'll close public comment. 496 00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:30,250 If I could just ask just a couple of follow-up questions to some of the public questions. 497 00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:45,370 So, yeah, agenda item one has all the checks and disbursements where I'm used to seeing more detailed information about what is spent and how it's allocated goes on the quarterly financial reports. 498 00:46:46,510 --> 00:46:53,910 Is that correct or is there some other process of sharing more information? 499 00:46:53,910 --> 00:47:23,050 That is correct, the quarterly disbursements, the quarterly report has much more detail about the items than the annual checks, it's sort of a disbursement registry, and we are working on an online portal that would offer more details on budget that would give people the ability to lifetime, which is always risky because a lot of what we do is lumpy, as was mentioned by one of the other speakers with our insurance plan payment. 500 00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:30,410 but it gives you, it will give the public an opportunity to see where we are in actual year-to-date 501 00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:35,550 as of that day and hopefully we'll be able to roll that out in the next couple of months. 502 00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:37,090 Okay, thank you. 503 00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:46,070 And then on the EIR for Healthside Meadows, I know generally the first step in any EIR is a notice 504 00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:50,470 of preparation where the public can be involved and bring out these kind of issues to make sure 505 00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:56,170 things are covered, is that still they're appropriate way to do that, and then if we're 506 00:47:56,170 --> 00:48:01,210 approving a contract for a certain amount, but then more work needs to be done, you would 507 00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:06,710 just come back to us, I assume, with a greater fee, right? I mean, all this is reimbursable 508 00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:11,350 to the developer. That is correct. We would follow that process, and the notice of preparation 509 00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:20,450 is the stage in which issues in the EIR can also be raised. Thank you. Any other questions? 510 00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:21,510 comments from Council? 511 00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:31,230 Have a quick question for the city attorney. Is it necessary to acknowledge any expertise in regards to any of the items on the consent calendar? 512 00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:37,280 Yes, if there are expertise, it would be appropriate to reference them. 513 00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:42,300 Then I've had at least four conversations with David, 514 00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:47,700 to make their President of Powers and Associates trying to understand and get a better understanding 515 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,120 of what's going on out there. 516 00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:55,380 So I am familiar with him, Ms. Engineering. 517 00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:02,640 Does that set up a complication for voting to have a calendar? 518 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:08,800 No, conversations are fine, that doesn't represent a conflict, okay, all right, great. 519 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:09,180 Thank you. 520 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,540 All right, with that, I'll take a motion. 521 00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:13,520 Mm-hmm. 522 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,180 Move the approval of the consent agenda. 523 00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:19,170 Second. 524 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:20,830 Okay, please vote. 525 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:35,060 The motion to approve the consent agenda made by Councilmember Beckmire, seconded by Vice Mayor Wright, the vote passes unanimously. 526 00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:37,040 Thank you. 527 00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:45,280 Okay, and that moves us to comments, public comments on items not on the agenda, and I have a bunch of cards. 528 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:45,960 I'm not counted. 529 00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:51,860 But we'll have a shorter agenda today, so I want to make sure everyone has their three minutes. 530 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,960 So we'll start with Sebastian Strasser, followed by Max, followed by Pete Schumacher. 531 00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:04,260 And if you don't mind lining up so that we don't lose too much time in between that would be really great. 532 00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:14,640 Oh, should I start now? 533 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:15,660 Yes, yes, please. 534 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:16,040 Thank you. 535 00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:23,740 We have all of these commissions dedicated to supporting the city and climate resilience, economic development, zoning, and so on. 536 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,800 It's straightforward that the city council can't do every business on every matter on its own. 537 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:40,740 We get stakeholders to do the tough job of asking hard questions and doing the harder work of governing for us all. 538 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:52,420 At least I would hope that with this we can do better than the cities that would force AI data centers down the throats and in other cities where local governments are giving up their neighbor's ties. 539 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:59,900 And with that, I see no reason why automatic license plate readers should be any different. 540 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:11,780 Policy 435 is specific a PD's guidance on capturing storing and using all the data from ALPRs. 541 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:18,280 It says quote that a reasonable suspicion or probable cause is not required before using an ALPR in quote. 542 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,180 That is a gross, blatant violation of warrants, 543 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:26,780 probable cause, and individualized particularized 544 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:28,000 suspicions of wrongdoing. 545 00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,960 That the Fourth Amendment requires to use to search us. 546 00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:35,680 In your time, where a Texas sheriff can use 547 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,780 flock to access thousands of camera databases 548 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,600 to target a woman who got an abortion, 549 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,180 and others who have stalked their partners. 550 00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:46,200 Pacific can rise up and do better. 551 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,960 It is, in my personal opinion, as someone who has lived in this town for nearly 20 years, 552 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,940 that flock safety outright just should not be welcome in our town. 553 00:51:56,580 --> 00:52:01,440 But as far as all of our shared collective governance is concerned, let's get some serious 554 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,020 oversight. 555 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,020 Let's support our friends in the city council. 556 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,940 There should be an advising body to the city council with some real power in its hands 557 00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:12,880 to conduct public hearings and ask serious questions. 558 00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:25,900 We need watchdogs that are wholly outside the Pacific APD command structure that go through the very same public appointments process as the aforementioned commissions I said earlier. 559 00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:29,720 Every day, Pacificans, Workers, Activists. 560 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,800 Parents, students, a lawyer or two perhaps should deliberate on pauses, bans and other reforms. 561 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,800 Please city council, get to work on getting all of our rights, the reverence that they deserve. 562 00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:47,640 Because if civic a PD has nothing to fear on this issue then they should have nothing to hide. 563 00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:48,580 Thank you. 564 00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:48,960 Thank you. 565 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:49,380 Thank you. 566 00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:51,620 Next. 567 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:52,800 Follow-up. 568 00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:54,120 I'm going to interrupt you. 569 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,620 Yeah, we try not to clap because it interrupts and slows down the meeting. 570 00:52:57,620 --> 00:53:02,700 so your hands are better if you agree and we can see you better that way too so I really 571 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:11,000 appreciate that. So Max Pete and then Ren Murphy. Hello my name is Max Marino. I am a Mexican 572 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:18,860 American citizen and I feel like we should take off lock not in Pacifica because I have to have 573 00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:25,800 been doing data and I realize that I use this lock and I don't think any kid or any teen should 574 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,800 be afraid for their parents and or having nightmares of their parents getting deported or getting 575 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,780 shot by ICE agents because they don't want to leave a stolen land. 576 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:43,940 And I don't think no one wants to see their own parents in a car getting dragged out of 577 00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:48,220 a car because they want to have aliens out of a stolen land. 578 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,600 And I don't think any kids should be thinking about it or I don't think any adult should 579 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,480 be having to worry about, oh, am I going to get the point at the next day? 580 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,420 Oh, I'm scared to go to work because what if they call ice on me? 581 00:53:59,660 --> 00:54:00,740 I don't think no one should think of that. 582 00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:06,400 And I think we should take, we should be having flawed cameras anywhere in the San Mateo 583 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,740 County or anywhere in the United States, honestly. 584 00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:11,560 So thank you for your time. 585 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:12,360 Thank you so much. 586 00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:16,810 Peace. 587 00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:22,450 Thank you, Mr. Murphy, and then Adam, to, to, to Ralph's. 588 00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:24,550 All right, peachy maker, Valemar. 589 00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:27,190 I'm speaking on a measure that's going to be on the upcoming ballot. 590 00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:29,090 No, no, no, November 3rd. 591 00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:35,810 This is measure B, B. This is the one cent tax on non-essential items that is going to Pacifica. 592 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:41,030 Only 100% goes to Pacifica, and it's desperately needed to maintain our, 593 00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:44,470 our essential services and keep the city financially stable. 594 00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:49,690 Brief background on Macy, you can judge and see if my opinion on this is credible or not. 595 00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:53,630 On my wife and I came here 37 years ago raised to our kids here, working on the grandchildren. 596 00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:59,490 We've been involved, I've been involved in the city stuff from the beginning from the tunnel to coaching soccer 597 00:54:59,490 --> 00:55:02,850 to being on all kinds of committees when the general plan was up for review. 598 00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:06,670 I read every page of the 400 page of the plan on most of the 1000 page. 599 00:55:07,350 --> 00:55:11,550 Environmental impact report, unfortunately, and also I was about a dozen years ago. 600 00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:14,910 I was at a city financing committee with a lot of other citizens. 601 00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:18,250 We literally went over every line item of the city budget. 602 00:55:19,350 --> 00:55:24,310 So in all of that time and continued to do so, I've seen that Pacific has been managed very 603 00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:28,490 regionally and responsibly, certainly on par with other cities in the region. 604 00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:31,950 Any city can look back and look on decisions that they should have made better. 605 00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:35,990 And we have that of course, but no more than other cities in the region. 606 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:41,530 We have, right now, we have the New City Manager, staff, the current council, upcoming council 607 00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:43,370 and all the wash dogs that are here. 608 00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:48,130 I feel like we've got a lot of people watching to make sure that this money is spent 609 00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:48,810 responsibly. 610 00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:52,290 So, I'm looking over the city line item of the city budget. 611 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:57,690 I was impressed not with the waste fraud and corruption that a lot of people alleged, with 612 00:55:57,690 --> 00:56:05,970 unfounded from out front of my eyes, but I was impressed with the efficiency in the, and 613 00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:09,430 into my head that I think, oh, the city ought to do this and say money, either they had 614 00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:13,550 already thought of it, done it, or were about to do it, and if they didn't do it, it was 615 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:19,370 probably not a good idea. So I'm very confident that we really, really need this measure, 616 00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:25,210 measure BB, and I urge you all to vote, yes, on the upcoming BB on November 3rd. Thank 617 00:56:25,210 --> 00:56:25,710 you. 618 00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:26,470 Thank you, Pete. 619 00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:31,270 Uh, Seren Adam and then Elias Navanzo. 620 00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:34,190 Welcome, man. 621 00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:36,390 Hello everyone. 622 00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:39,130 It's nice to see something familiar faces tonight. 623 00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,170 For those who do not know me, my name is Dr. Ren Murphy. 624 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:44,670 I have a doctorate in organizational psychology 625 00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:48,830 and experience working as a researcher in statistician for the last 10 years. 626 00:56:49,610 --> 00:56:51,770 Now the first thing that they taught me in stats 101 627 00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:55,230 is that correlation does not equal causation. 628 00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:59,270 That basically means that just because two things happen around the same time, 629 00:56:59,610 --> 00:57:01,530 it doesn't mean that one cause the other. 630 00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:06,790 For example, it would be silly to say that I get a somber in every time I eat ice cream. 631 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:09,690 We'd be missing the context that the sun plays. 632 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:14,490 So, I suggest in this case, that we can't forget about context, 633 00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:17,650 when we talk about flock cameras and lowering crime rate. 634 00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:24,090 I did do my own research to educate myself on how we can increase public safety for the people of Pacifica. 635 00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:29,630 I used years of publicly available Pacifica crime data and GPS coordinates of those cameras. 636 00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:36,750 I also reviewed published academic studies to see what folks in criminology, sociology, and public health had to say. 637 00:57:37,450 --> 00:57:38,450 In my findings, we're clear. 638 00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:45,530 There is no statistically significant difference in crime near the cameras before after they were installed. 639 00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:51,830 And this is pretty on par with what decades of research on ALPR's effectiveness of lowering 640 00:57:51,830 --> 00:57:52,910 crime tests. 641 00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:57,030 Crime rates typically follow regional trends or economic shifts. 642 00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:59,830 Correlation does not equal causation. 643 00:58:00,730 --> 00:58:03,850 So I asked the council here tonight to consider this. 644 00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:08,950 Instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars on reactionary, surveillance, subscriptions 645 00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:14,690 that have not proven to make us safer, we should invest in true prevention. 646 00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:19,210 I'm talking about prevention that is rooted in community care and not fear. 647 00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:21,070 I do have three examples. 648 00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:24,570 One is that we could put money towards upgrading our street lighting, 649 00:58:24,970 --> 00:58:27,790 which has been found to reduce outdoor crime at night. 650 00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:31,390 Two, we could create community-engaged public spaces 651 00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:35,410 as they have been found to significantly deter violent and property crime 652 00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:38,470 by fostering natural community-driven social control. 653 00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:43,370 And finally, we could expand peer-sease emergency financial assistance 654 00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:49,190 Because one time financial assistance has been proven to drop overall crime, especially violent offenses. 655 00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:56,970 I would be very, very happy to meet with any of you and all of you to talk about these interventions and review my research, one-on-one. 656 00:58:57,290 --> 00:58:58,090 Thank you for your time. 657 00:58:58,450 --> 00:59:00,190 Thank you so much for your 658 00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:03,100 time. 659 00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:05,900 So Adam, Eliza and then Kim Kale, 660 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:12,700 hello, welcome. 661 00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:18,240 Good evening Pacifica City Council members and fellow Pacifica residents. 662 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:25,180 My name is Adam Dubber Volski, I've been a Pacifica resident for over six years, and I work in the commercial construction industry. 663 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:35,540 I'm here tonight to talk about not only the renewal of the flawed contract potentially in Pacifica, but just general usage of flawed technology as a whole. 664 00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:42,800 When government asks the surrender privacy and exchange for safety, history tells us that we should be extremely skeptical. 665 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,040 We have been here before. 666 00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,400 After September 11th, Congress passed the Patriot Act. 667 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:54,540 Section 215 was ultimately used to justify the NSA's bulk collection of Americans' telephone metadata. 668 00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:59,980 Collecting records on millions of people, not because they were suspected of crimes, but because of the government. 669 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,020 Government argued that collecting information and bulk could help find the people who were. In ACLU vs. Clapper, the 670 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:12,840 second circuit court of appeals ruled that this bulk telephone records program was not authorized by the Patriot Act. 671 01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:18,500 Think about that lesson. An extraordinary surveillance power was created in the name of public safety. 672 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,440 The government interpreted that authority expansively, a massive database was built. 673 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,900 And only years later, after the program became public that our federal appeals court 674 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:32,400 conclude that the statute would be relied upon to not authorize the bulk collection. 675 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,560 This is why exactly, this is exactly why we should be cautious about building surveillance 676 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,740 infrastructure first and promising safeguards later. 677 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:45,860 The Supreme Court is repeatedly recognized that technology changes the constitutional equation. 678 01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:50,920 In the United States versus Jones, the government tracked a vehicle by GPS for 28 days. 679 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,820 The Supreme Court held that the government's conduct constituted a Fourth Amendment 680 01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:55,420 search. 681 01:00:56,060 --> 01:01:00,000 Five justice is separately recognized as a profound private concede concerns created by 682 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,860 prolonged tracking of someone's movements. 683 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,000 Then, in Carpenter of the United States, the Supreme Court confronted historical location 684 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,600 information from cell phones, the court recognized that aggregating location data 685 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,160 can create a detailed chronicle of a person's movements and held without obtaining 686 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,900 the records that issue constituted a Fourth Amendment search requiring a warring. 687 01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:23,600 Floor cameras raise the same fundamental, fundamental concern. 688 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,660 One camera seen one license plate is one thing, a network of cameras recording where thousands 689 01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:33,520 of innocent people travel, storing those observations, making them searchable, and potentially 690 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,360 connecting them across to jurisdictions is something fundamentally differing. 691 01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:40,800 There is no longer simply observing a car on a public street. 692 01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:44,480 It creates the infrastructure to reconstruct a person's life, 693 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,140 and the overwhelming majority 694 01:01:48,140 --> 01:01:51,320 of people being recorded are not suspected of committing any crimes. 695 01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:56,980 The ACLU reports a less than 1% of vehicle skin by LPR systems are associated with 696 01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:58,200 suspected wrongdoing. 697 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,900 That means we are not merely surveilling suspects. 698 01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:03,780 We are surveilling the public in order to find suspects. 699 01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:05,340 Those are very different principles. 700 01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:11,820 And surveillance infrastructure does not remain confined to the jurisdiction of, it's originally 701 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:16,360 given to, if it was creating it, California has already seen litigation involving law, 702 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,940 enforcement sharing billions of license plate and location records with 703 01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:21,820 public federal and out of state agency. 704 01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:24,460 Sorry, your time is up. 705 01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:28,480 Would you mind, if you have more to share, would you mind putting in an email to us 706 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,540 City Council at Pacifica.gov. 707 01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:32,100 Thank you so very much. 708 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:32,500 Thank you. 709 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,300 Thanks for being here. 710 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,520 So, Elizna followed by Kim and then caught to go. 711 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,600 Good evening City Council and fellow neighbors. 712 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:52,720 My name is Elisna Vensile, or Liz is what I go by, and I've been a pacific a resident 713 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,520 that was my husband there for the last several years. 714 01:02:58,260 --> 01:03:01,420 I work as an emergency department pharmacist in the South Bay. 715 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,560 Through my work as a healthcare professional, I've come to appreciate the way that individuals 716 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,760 privacy should be guarded and respected. 717 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:13,800 Our privacy is tightly linked to our ability to authentically and freely move about in the world. 718 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,600 Express ourselves and to feel safe doing so. 719 01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:20,100 I'm reaching out to you because of the pacific of 720 01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:24,280 flawed contract that will renew if the council does not vote to cancel it. 721 01:03:24,620 --> 01:03:30,120 Because of ALPR's every single one of our neighbors, even persons with nothing to hide 722 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,620 are being surveilled indiscriminately. 723 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,900 We are being exposed to mass data harvesting and vulnerable to the 724 01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:43,040 technological weaknesses of these cameras. 725 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,860 The cameras are like an AI-enabled drag net that captures the movement patterns in digital 726 01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:52,840 fingerprints of innocent and guilty alike, and the rapid expansion of ALPRs such as 727 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,580 flock and axon and their exponentially expanding capabilities, worry me a great deal. 728 01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:02,240 At the time of the initial flock pilot program, there was not a lot of information about 729 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,640 the security weaknesses that these cameras pose. 730 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,500 With the information that the council had at the time, I understand why it obtained 731 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:09,920 and trial-based technology. 732 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,320 However, as many folks in cities across the U.S. are discovering, 733 01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:15,840 there are irreducible privacy issues 734 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,000 with the indiscriminate surveillance program. 735 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:22,580 Multiple cities, 55 contracts in the last 21 days, 736 01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:24,500 have terminated their contracts with flock 737 01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:28,100 as a result of the serious violation of the public's trust 738 01:04:28,780 --> 01:04:30,480 and Fourth Amendment rights. 739 01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:33,640 I rely on you to keep my family and my neighbors safe 740 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,640 from surveillance, data theft and abduction. 741 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:50,860 I humbly ask to protect us from warrantless surveillance by not only the police, but by government agencies like ICE and DHS who have unrestricted back door access to flock and their agglomerated data. 742 01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:55,520 If you'd like to meet or speak with me in person, I would be very appreciative of your time. 743 01:04:56,260 --> 01:05:01,780 Thank you for your time and your service to Pacifica and have a good night. 744 01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:08,840 So Kim, Katta, and then Laura Obergon. 745 01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:13,360 Do I get a warning buzz or is it just- 746 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,800 Yeah, there's a one-minute warning, so it'll turn over. 747 01:05:15,860 --> 01:05:18,980 Oh, and then you have one more minute after that. 748 01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:23,150 Good evening. 749 01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:24,910 Thanks for having me. 750 01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:29,110 My name is Kim, and I've lived in Pacifica for 30 years, 751 01:05:29,110 --> 01:05:35,670 Brace 2 daughters here and I'm also a member of the local and divisible group. I want 752 01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:41,210 to express my concern with the Float Cameras in Pacifica and ask that you cancel the contract 753 01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:47,310 and remove the cameras. I urge you to take some time to learn about Clock Safety. It is a 754 01:05:47,310 --> 01:05:53,190 flawed organization. Their network is not secure. It is easily hackable and they are driven 755 01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:55,110 by profit, not by safety. 756 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:58,470 Float cameras and mass surveillance is dangerous. 757 01:05:59,250 --> 01:06:02,530 Citizens are presumed innocent until proven guilty of a crime. 758 01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:05,590 Mass surveillance removes the presumption of innocence 759 01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:09,330 in assumes that we are permanently suspicious of a crime. 760 01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:12,950 It's an assault on what it means to be an American. 761 01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:16,890 There are many instances of errors made by their cameras. 762 01:06:17,170 --> 01:06:21,230 It will only take one error for someone to file a lawsuit 763 01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:27,910 against our city. We say that we're a sanctuary city, it is not difficult for a bad actor 764 01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:33,890 or corrupt federal agency to tap into the flock network and data collected a pacifica 765 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:38,150 and use it to terrorize women, immigrants, and marginalized communities. 766 01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:46,070 Your position with these cameras is that if we give our personal liberty and freedom, 767 01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:53,410 you will keep us safe. By implementing mass surveillance in Pacifica, we weren't asked if we 768 01:06:53,410 --> 01:06:59,050 wanted to give up our freedom or personal liberties in our privacy. You guys just took it with 769 01:06:59,050 --> 01:07:05,310 all due respect. Trading our liberty in freedom for safety is fundamentally a bad bargain. 770 01:07:05,830 --> 01:07:11,070 When citizens hand over their freedoms for safety, we assume the government's benevolent. 771 01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:15,610 However, 772 01:07:15,610 --> 01:07:20,290 concentration of power that creates room for severe abuses of power. 773 01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:26,810 The ACLU has found agencies routinely violating laws, policies, and 774 01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:28,910 guardrails that protect our privacy. 775 01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:29,970 I don't... 776 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:43,440 What have an issue with the police? This is not a problem with the police. This is a problem of giving any agency for person so much power and hoping that they will have the will to not abuse that power. 777 01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:57,580 I believe it would be difficult for anyone including myself to hold so much power and not be corrupted by it. I understand the allure of wanting safety, wanting to ensure that we are all safe. 778 01:07:57,580 --> 01:08:01,360 Unfortunately, there is no world in which we are all safe. 779 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,760 It does not exist. 780 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,860 Our best chance for safe community is for the community to work together and support each other. 781 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,300 Flot cameras will only create more divisions and make us less safe. 782 01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:15,420 Thanks again for hearing me out. 783 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:16,300 Thank you Kim. 784 01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:18,780 Okay. 785 01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:23,080 Katata, Laura, and then Rubbing Reneels. 786 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:26,840 Katakums. 787 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:36,220 I'm here to bring attention to the city of an environmental lead contamination that exists at the former 788 01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:38,740 rifle range at Sharp Park. 789 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:47,260 I recently attended a meeting at Lake Merced, where the San Francisco Utilities Commission 790 01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:56,820 just completed an environmental cleanup of a former rifle range there at Lake Merced, where 791 01:08:56,820 --> 01:09:01,580 The contaminated lead soil was removed from the site. 792 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,100 This is not the case that is happening right now in our community. 793 01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:15,140 The city of San Francisco who has the responsibility for this cleanup has merely put 794 01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:19,000 a cement cap on the contaminated area. 795 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:29,020 I spoke with Christopher Campbell, the Natural Resource Manager of Sharp Park, and asked 796 01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:32,440 him specific questions about the testing. 797 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:40,980 He informed me that there has been testing done on the soil, but that no testing of the nearby 798 01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:48,540 stream that wraps around two sides of this cap-to-contaminated area has taken place. 799 01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:57,500 This is the primary watershed for the San Francisco Garder Snake and the Red League of 800 01:09:57,500 --> 01:10:03,620 Frog and the multitude of other wildlife that reside in that valley. 801 01:10:03,620 --> 01:10:15,720 This is a huge concern to me, and this, the price of cleaning this up and the responsibility falls on the city of San Francisco. 802 01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:24,480 It would cost the city of Pacific a nothing to pressure San Francisco to clean up the site. 803 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:30,900 They just did it like Merced. I would like to see this happen here as well. Thank you. 804 01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:31,880 Thank you, Katta. 805 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,080 Okay Laura, Rubin, and then Margot Mike. 806 01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:43,720 Good evening. 807 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:49,160 I'm Laura Obergon, and I'm a city of citizen of Pacifica, 808 01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:52,180 and I'm here to talk about the plot cameras as well. 809 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,600 Recently was invited by my neighbor 810 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,120 to a rotary club meeting, which I'd never been to, 811 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,500 and our new city manager, you were there talking about the budget. 812 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:08,480 And I was quite frankly horrified. 813 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:15,880 about our budget. I've not really been involved in politics or the city that much to this 814 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:22,840 extent and it was pretty scary. I am a member of Coastside United and divisible and we recently 815 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:29,620 were taught about the flop cameras and it seemed like a pretty easy connection get rid of the 816 01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:35,500 flop cameras that are costing us money to help with our budget issue. The more that I've learned 817 01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:42,080 about these cameras that seems like such a violation on our Fourth Amendment, right, and how 818 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,200 it's going to divide the community instead of make us safer. 819 01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:55,360 Pacific is such a special place to live, and we have so many things going for us. 820 01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:03,360 We are supposed to be a sanctuary city here where we are looking out for our community and 821 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,200 the citizens here. 822 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,480 and these flat cameras are doing the exact opposite. 823 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:17,500 They also, one of the things is there's California SB 34 is a state law that explicitly 824 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:22,300 bans sharing ALPR data without a state federal agencies. 825 01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:31,540 So many audits have been done that show that out of federal agencies and ice are able to 826 01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:36,720 backdoor ways and to get this data and that it's extremely concerning to me. 827 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:42,000 I think one 828 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:51,060 of the ways that the city should look at this money issue is and making us safer is take 829 01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:57,020 this money that we're using for flock and build up our communities, make our communities safer 830 01:12:57,020 --> 01:13:05,420 with making sure every citizen here is supported in whatever they need. So I'm asking that you 831 01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:10,040 please cancel the contract. Thank you. Thank you, Leia. 832 01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:16,760 So we're being Margot and then Tukuno, Hirana. 833 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,880 Good evening, Council members. Madam Mayor, thank you. My name is Robin Reneels, 834 01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:33,560 a 50-year resident of West Sharp Park. It's hard to say. 835 01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:39,060 Makes me think of my age, but that's even worse. But anyway, I'm here as a member of the Board 836 01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:43,800 of the Pacific Coast Fog Fest and I'm here on my, 837 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,460 it seems like it's an annual thing 838 01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:48,780 I've been doing for years, which is the public sector 839 01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:51,440 arousing of registrations for the parade. 840 01:13:52,180 --> 01:13:53,980 And first I'd like to say council members, 841 01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:55,140 thank you for your registration. 842 01:13:55,380 --> 01:13:57,240 It's done, you're all set for the fire truck 843 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,260 with the fire department. 844 01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:01,520 I'm gonna go through the departments. 845 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:04,280 I'd like to first invite our new city manager, 846 01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:08,420 Mr. Carpenter, we would love to honor you in the parade this year 847 01:14:08,420 --> 01:14:22,340 And we'd love the, I think joining us in registering for the parade will get you a car or PD can provide you a vehicle and if it gets a wonderful way for you to meet fog fest for the very first time is to go down the middle of Palmetto Avenue and meet the locals. 848 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,220 So please register. 849 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,520 Registration closes one week from today on the 31st. 850 01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:30,460 So that's a very important thing. 851 01:14:30,460 --> 01:14:38,100 So please come to the website, PacifichostFogFest.com and just go you'll see a button for the 852 01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:43,400 parade and registration and since you are city officials and city businesses and elected 853 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,500 officials, registration is free for you. 854 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:52,000 I'd also like to invite the PD to catch up on the registration of your two vehicles. 855 01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:53,560 She's not listening. 856 01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:59,980 and then public public works, public works, also needs to catch up and get there. 857 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980 Registration in for the myriad of giant vehicles that go down the street every year. And part speeches in wreck. We would like part speeches wrecked to come back. They were honored as Grand Marshall's last year. Speaking of Grand Marshall's this year, we'll be honoring the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States of America. So for after 250 years, we will be honoring as Grand Marshall's in the parade, our local veterans, our veterans of foreign wars, 858 01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,280 and we will have some interesting vehicles that will honor them and they can write in. 859 01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:40,620 We will also be honoring equally the very first inhabitants of this land, which is the 860 01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:45,740 Ramitutia Looney, and we have families representing that group that will be in the parade also. 861 01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:51,720 So everyone come on down and please register one week left for registration and tomorrow 862 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,960 I go after recology and North Coast County Water District. 863 01:15:55,340 --> 01:15:56,520 Thank you for your time. 864 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,000 Thank you so much, friends. 865 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,600 Welcome, Margot, to Cucco, and then Sofia, in Toronto. 866 01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:12,880 I'm going to use the box. 867 01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:13,520 Hi there. 868 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:22,660 I have two things to discuss Margot Myman representing first of all the Pacific Beach Coalition. 869 01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:31,880 The community to know and city council to know about Coastal Cleanup Day on September 19th. 870 01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,760 It's the statewide event here in Pacifica happening 871 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:40,580 between 9 and 11 AM to note all of our events 872 01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:43,300 are happening on September 19th. 873 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,500 Instead of this, the rotational schedule 874 01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,660 that we normally have are only event that is happening 875 01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:52,460 on its normal rotation is the Lindemar Habitat 876 01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:54,220 Restoration, but all the rest are happening 877 01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:57,100 on Saturday, September 19th. 878 01:16:57,540 --> 01:17:00,540 It's notable that this is the event where 879 01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:04,300 account every single piece of trash that we pick up, every single 880 01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:10,260 bottle cap, food, wrapper, cigarette, but we keep track of all of that. 881 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,900 And we send that data to the California Coastal Commission. 882 01:17:13,420 --> 01:17:17,980 And it's this kind of data that can impact state legislations. 883 01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:23,880 So for example, it was Coastal Cleanup Data that helped to enact our 884 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:33,520 The state's 2014 ban on single-use plastic bags and also helps to inform the more recent 885 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,460 update of that ban in 2020's deck. 886 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,960 So we would like to invite the community to join us for that event. 887 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,360 And also there's going to be an informal celebration afterwards at Humble C and everybody 888 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,120 is welcome to that as well. 889 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:55,420 So now, switching gears representing myself as a resident of District 5 and also giving voice 890 01:17:55,420 --> 01:18:02,140 to people who couldn't be here tonight in the community, I debated about whether to talk 891 01:18:02,140 --> 01:18:09,120 about this now or in the consent calendar, having to do with the Hillside Meadows project. 892 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:16,600 I just want to reiterate there is a lot of community opposition to that project. 893 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:24,680 because of the environmental impacts, traffic implications, infrastructure demands, all of the 894 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:25,100 above. 895 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:31,700 I do want to say that I'm glad to see that Rincon consultant is on the job to do the EIR, 896 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,340 the environmental impact report. 897 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,700 Rincon was the company that did the greenhouse gas emissions analysis for the climate action 898 01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:41,280 plan. 899 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:51,600 Rinkon Consultants is engaged with the San Mateo County and individuals cities throughout the county on their sustainability efforts. 900 01:18:52,720 --> 01:19:04,840 I have faith that when Rinkon does their environmental impact report, they are going to find all number of issues that will prevent the project from going forward. 901 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:18,820 But I do want to reiterate that transparency is really, really important, keeping the community up to date on what the steps are happening and when the community can be involved. 902 01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:19,500 Thank you. 903 01:19:19,540 --> 01:19:20,740 Thank you, my girl. 904 01:19:21,940 --> 01:19:25,300 So to Skukko, Sophia and then Latte Robas. 905 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,500 And I'm not seeing Tukuko come up. 906 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:34,640 So Sophia and Toronto. 907 01:19:35,260 --> 01:19:35,940 Oh, she's there. 908 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:38,000 I see you. 909 01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:40,840 So if the other two people could line up, too, please. 910 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:42,740 So Sophia and Latte. 911 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:45,420 Yes, I did. 912 01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:47,400 Sorry, I'm not loud enough, apparently. 913 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,860 And yeah, please do use the little stuff there. 914 01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:53,360 So we can see you. 915 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,340 Thank you. 916 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:55,740 Kind of scary. 917 01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:03,050 All right. 918 01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:03,650 Good afternoon. 919 01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:07,530 Yeah, please put your mouth close to the mic. 920 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:08,490 So we can hear you properly. 921 01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:09,770 Hello. 922 01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:11,330 Thank you. 923 01:20:12,710 --> 01:20:18,290 I think that public art should inspire love, peace, 924 01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:23,650 warmth, kindness, compassion, and generosity. 925 01:20:24,730 --> 01:20:30,050 Furthermore, that environment should bring feeding of safety 926 01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:34,070 and humanity, humanity. 927 01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:39,370 This building you are in right now is one of the best-looking Spanish 928 01:20:39,370 --> 01:20:41,450 style building in Pacifica. 929 01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:50,730 When someone painted the black on the outside wall of the building, I immediately felt uncomfortable. 930 01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:56,310 You do not paint the black on Spanish-style building. 931 01:20:57,590 --> 01:21:04,370 Spanish-style architecture does not use black paint on wall surfaces. 932 01:21:05,370 --> 01:21:10,370 I call the planning department to find out more about the public artwork. 933 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:19,250 She said, you'd love a red lobster, not a red octopus. 934 01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:28,730 And then she said, if you don't like the artwork, you can use a different street. 935 01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:34,230 So am I supposed to detour my everyday drive course? 936 01:21:34,230 --> 01:21:47,210 And waste my gas and time to avoid public art, let octopus in that world as a public artwork appears in other cities too. 937 01:21:47,710 --> 01:21:55,370 However, the most octopus, which we have now, is very scary to me. 938 01:21:56,410 --> 01:22:02,330 Why don't you walk along next to the octopus wall after dark? 939 01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:05,350 Why don't you bring me your children, 940 01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:09,890 grant your children to octopus wall at night? 941 01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:14,590 One shiny eye, on the wall, 942 01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:17,990 look at you, and let long leg 943 01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:19,810 will love around your body. 944 01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:23,610 There is enough scary things going on in the world. 945 01:22:24,710 --> 01:22:29,410 Why don't we, why don't you have another scary things in peaceful? 946 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:38,900 Peace for Pacifica. City of Pacifica does not have to, does not have to copy artwork from another city. 947 01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:52,580 I strongly suggest you replace a scary monster red octopus with a new artwork which conveys love, peace, worms, kindness, generosity. 948 01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:59,440 I hope city future public artwork always promote safety and humanity. 949 01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:06,700 Finally, I want to tell you that a combination of red and black is color of the red, 950 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,780 color of the red and black. 951 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,280 So do not use red and black for your house. 952 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,620 Each color has a meaning. 953 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,060 Thank you very much. 954 01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:17,840 Thank you so much. 955 01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:18,660 Thank you. 956 01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:20,260 Thank you. 957 01:23:20,260 --> 01:23:23,320 So Sophia, latte, and then I need a read. 958 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:24,700 So good 959 01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:29,210 evening, council members. 960 01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:32,830 My name is Sophia and Trona and I'm a resident of Pacifica. 961 01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:34,910 I live on Esplanade Ave. 962 01:23:35,150 --> 01:23:39,050 I'm here tonight because I want to speak about an issue that has become increasingly 963 01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:45,030 frustrating for residents who live along Esplanade, the ongoing presidents of large. 964 01:23:45,310 --> 01:23:49,410 Are these parks along our street for extended periods of time? 965 01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:56,710 I want to be clear that I understand the complexity of homelessness and I understand that 966 01:23:56,710 --> 01:24:00,830 people living in vehicles need compassion and access to services. 967 01:24:01,490 --> 01:24:04,930 This is not about wanting to criminalize people for being unhoused. 968 01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:11,750 The truth is, the RV issue at the present moment is actually being largely caused by individuals 969 01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:15,770 who park their RVs and aren't specific or residents. 970 01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:27,210 They're parking their RVs, playing a weekly Tetris game, and they're renting their RVs for people to live in them with my knowledge is illegal. 971 01:24:28,410 --> 01:24:34,890 I think that this is something the city of Pacifica should investigate, and these reports deserve to be looked into. 972 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:52,830 Pacifica already has a 72-hour parking roll under the current ordinance, a vehicle that remains in the same location for 72 hours consecutive hours must be moved and at least a thousand feet and cannot return within a thousand feet for another 24 hours. 973 01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:58,110 The city also has an abandoned vehicle hotline, which I think is a great resource. 974 01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:02,990 The problem is that from the perspective of residents on S on S grenade, 975 01:25:03,550 --> 01:25:06,150 Inforts enforcement have not been consistent. 976 01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:08,170 Residents can make the calls. 977 01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:09,770 We can document the vehicles. 978 01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:12,710 We provide licensed plates and addresses, 979 01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:16,830 but when the same RVs continue to occupy the same area, 980 01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:18,930 sometimes for weeks or months, 981 01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:23,430 residents understandably begin to feel like the ordinance is actually 982 01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:25,310 isn't actually being enforced. 983 01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:27,530 And this isn't just about parking. 984 01:25:28,270 --> 01:25:33,310 There are sanitation concerns associated with long-term RV habitation. 985 01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:39,990 When people are living in vehicles without access to regular sanitation facilities, there 986 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:46,590 are inevitable concerns about trash, human waste, wastewater, and the cleanliness of the 987 01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:48,170 surrounding public space. 988 01:25:48,610 --> 01:25:51,130 This is a very practical safety issue. 989 01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:57,670 Last year, the bike lane markings were put in a long aspirin aid in effort and in part 990 01:25:57,670 --> 01:26:03,450 to create a clear separation between traffic, parking and cyclists, but the RVs continue 991 01:26:03,450 --> 01:26:08,710 to park over the line when these oversized vehicles extend to the bike lane or roadway 992 01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:14,810 to create an obstruction and undermine the safety purpose of the infrastructure we've already 993 01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:16,190 invested in. 994 01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:20,590 And I think we should be willing to look at what other cities are doing. 995 01:26:20,630 --> 01:26:25,410 San Francisco implemented a two-hour parking restriction for large vehicles, 996 01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:29,310 including RVs, and I think we can do that. 997 01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:31,510 I believe they, and I'm out of time. 998 01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,050 Well, I'll come back and talk about this. 999 01:26:35,230 --> 01:26:36,070 So, thank you so much. 1000 01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:36,790 Thank you, Cynthia. 1001 01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:38,110 You have my email. 1002 01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:44,730 Latte, and then Anita, and then Kimberly Finale. 1003 01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:49,910 Hello, my name is Ladi and I'm a Sophia Stabila. 1004 01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:58,710 I also like to add to Sophia's comment. 1005 01:26:59,830 --> 01:27:01,870 During my daily walk this morning, 1006 01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:06,570 I found soiled paper tissue on the beach. 1007 01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:09,270 Also soiled sweater. 1008 01:27:10,130 --> 01:27:18,610 Of course, regular coffee cups, soda, cans, beer cans, beer bottles, and it's just getting 1009 01:27:18,610 --> 01:27:19,590 out of control. 1010 01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:25,590 It's like I've been talking there every single day and now it's like before I could carry 1011 01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:30,730 the trash with my two hands, but now I feel like I have to carry a trash bag just to keep 1012 01:27:30,730 --> 01:27:31,750 up with the trash. 1013 01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:38,110 So, but, oh, we also have the whales this morning so, thank you. 1014 01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:40,850 Thank you. 1015 01:27:42,170 --> 01:27:44,630 So, Anita, Kimberly, and then Cindy Abbott. 1016 01:27:49,170 --> 01:27:52,750 I probably should stand up, but I'm not going to. 1017 01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:54,490 You're tall enough, I see you, yeah. 1018 01:27:55,530 --> 01:27:58,810 My name is Anita Reece, I'm the Executive Director of the Pacific Air Resource Center, 1019 01:27:58,910 --> 01:28:01,070 and I want to give you all some updates. 1020 01:28:01,070 --> 01:28:08,070 We continue to be open Monday Tuesday Thursday 9 to 5 Wednesday is 9 to 7 and Friday is 9 to 1. 1021 01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:10,930 And one Saturday a month, 9 to 1. 1022 01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:14,150 We are close for lunch Monday through Thursday 12.30 to 1.30. 1023 01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:20,350 Our next Saturday open hours is actually going to be in October because we have POMO PLUSA this month. 1024 01:28:20,830 --> 01:28:23,790 It means in September as well as Fogfest. 1025 01:28:25,390 --> 01:28:30,990 We are continuing to provide groceries weekly at our pantry and our next grocery distribution is 1026 01:28:30,990 --> 01:28:37,370 this Wednesday at the American Legion Hall, which is at 555 fuel, if you haven't already signed up 1027 01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:42,470 in the groceries, please arrive to the American Legion Hall around 4 o'clock and we'll be sure to 1028 01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:48,590 serve you and sign you up for next time. Our unhoused on the coast outreach team will respond for 1029 01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:53,730 a request for outreach to unhoused folks in Pacifica through Pascadero every Monday through Friday, 1030 01:28:53,970 --> 01:29:00,570 9am to 10pm Saturday, Sunday and holiday is 9 to 5. So if you see someone living outside in vehicles, 1031 01:29:00,990 --> 01:29:12,690 or another place not meant for habitation, please email us at ucoutreachatpackresourcecenter.org or call us at 6504526279. 1032 01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:19,990 As of today, there are nine encampments in Pacifica, including two that are for the safe parking program. 1033 01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:29,150 This includes 84 individuals who are in those nine encampments and 48 that are not in encampments, but in Pacifica. 1034 01:29:29,150 --> 01:29:35,630 That means that there are 132 folks who are unhoused in Pacifica as of today, including 1035 01:29:35,630 --> 01:29:38,470 21 that are in the Safe Temporary Safe Parking Program. 1036 01:29:39,150 --> 01:29:45,690 I will say that that has increased slightly since the last time I came to Council, and 1037 01:29:45,690 --> 01:29:50,930 we have seen a decline in the number of people in encampments most likely because of some 1038 01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:53,490 closures and cleanups that have happened across the city. 1039 01:29:54,930 --> 01:29:59,970 As part of our work with partnership for the Bayes Future, we are having 1040 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,260 The second of three workshops on Wednesday, the 26th at 6 o'clock at the Peter Point Firehouse, the topic is understanding Pacifica's housing element. 1041 01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:18,920 The third workshop will be on the 9th of September, and it will be on learning effective ways to influence policies, so hopefully folks can attend that. 1042 01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:33,920 I also wanted to let you know that this year we provided 170 Pacifica Youth so far from 100 families with gift cards for backpacks and school supplies there are back to school program and even though school has already started, please reach out if you need help. 1043 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:47,400 I'm running out of time so please call us at 6,000, 7, 3, 8, 7, 4, 7, 0, go to our website, packresourcecenter.org or email us at info at packresourcecenter.org if you need help. 1044 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,200 Thank you. Thank you any of that. 1045 01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:55,260 So Kimberly is Cindy and then my last card is Michael Wellen. 1046 01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,360 Good evening council members and staff. 1047 01:31:04,820 --> 01:31:09,220 I just want to begin by acknowledging the city clerks Sarah Ed Emily. 1048 01:31:09,620 --> 01:31:13,740 Elections are before us and I know this adds a layer of work to the heavy load. 1049 01:31:13,940 --> 01:31:17,280 They're already carry with such grace and professionalism. 1050 01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:18,400 Thank you. 1051 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:23,260 My name is Kimberly Finale, I'm a resident of Pacifica, grateful to be here. 1052 01:31:23,900 --> 01:31:29,300 On Wednesday, August 5th, I made an intentional decision not to leave work early in 1053 01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,100 order to attend the special council meeting held here as a procedural matter to place 1054 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:39,220 a new sales tax measure BB on the upcoming November 3rd ballot. 1055 01:31:39,780 --> 01:31:45,000 I rarely believe this, but I knew my two cents would make no difference as this body had 1056 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,240 already made up its mind. 1057 01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:52,940 By all appearances, our citizens, local taxpayer dollars, have been mismanaged for years, 1058 01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:56,620 which would be why it seems we are headed towards bankruptcy. 1059 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:02,860 Now a decision has been made to continue us on the same old irresponsible path as has 1060 01:32:02,860 --> 01:32:08,820 gotten us here, more status quo, the definition of insanity, repeating the same actions 1061 01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:12,060 over and over again, expecting a different result. 1062 01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:18,920 For some reason, the city of Pacifica and this council refuses to take a look at the top line items on our budget. 1063 01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:24,100 The result is to continue to nickel and dime residents on the lower end of the income spectrum, 1064 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,180 already struggling to put gas in the car and food in the fridge, 1065 01:32:28,740 --> 01:32:32,620 enabling the city to continue mismanaging our funds. 1066 01:32:33,140 --> 01:32:37,940 All by telling us, day in and day out, we need more affordable housing. 1067 01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:45,180 Remember, the last time an attack was added to the ballot for schools, folks voted to pass 1068 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:50,120 that because they want quality education for their children only to have ocean shore school 1069 01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:56,060 closed shortly after. That one over like a lead balloon and so will this new sales tax measure 1070 01:32:56,060 --> 01:33:02,020 disguised as a stream of income to secure public safety when in actuality it will be directed 1071 01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:07,360 to the general fund. Could this have anything to do with the mail that I received a few months 1072 01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:13,200 back suggesting that results to the city's recent survey with leading questions, creating response 1073 01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:20,520 bias and skewed data regarding public safety, then mailing this to residents, the stated 1074 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:29,640 responses to the polling which, coincidentally, resulted in a pre-determined outcome. I find 1075 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:35,580 this scheme to be manipulating and a total misrepresentation. The city in Council has failed 1076 01:33:35,580 --> 01:33:39,600 request or look at alternatives regarding police and fire. 1077 01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:42,880 Only to suggest it, I hire tax on the people. 1078 01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:47,480 I will vote no on the sales tax measure, and so will my fellow community members and 1079 01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:51,660 neighbors who are struggling to make ends meet as we sit here tonight. 1080 01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:52,980 Thank you. 1081 01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:54,260 Okay, Kimberly. 1082 01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,920 Cindy and then Michael's my last card. 1083 01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:09,430 Good evening, Cindy Abbott, I'm happy to share with you that on August 1084 01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:19,610 In 2011, the San Mateo County Board of Supervisors unanimously approved an e-bike ordinance for the unincorporated areas of San Mateo County. 1085 01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:35,850 The hope is that this will be rolled out to additional jurisdictions using their work as a model, of course, making adjustments as applicable to the other cities, but to create an equal playing field across the county. 1086 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:41,490 Because Bikers really don't necessarily have to pay attention to city lines. 1087 01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:51,950 Additionally, AB 2595, Pappin, was approved on August 17th in the Senate by 36 to 1. 1088 01:34:52,590 --> 01:34:57,490 On August 19th, California Assembly approved it 75 to 0. 1089 01:34:58,670 --> 01:35:00,990 This is another great way. 1090 01:35:01,410 --> 01:35:04,410 It's on its way to the governor's desk. 1091 01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:20,670 It's a pilot program through the 2030 that establishes a program in San Mateo County, authorizing local jurisdictions to restrict the use of class 1 and 2 electric bikes to children, 2012 years and older. 1092 01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:31,010 The measure gives local communities tools to address young riders operating powerful e-bikes on neighborhood streets by past and school campuses. 1093 01:35:31,010 --> 01:35:41,070 It's focused on youth, but accountability is shared with parents, guardians, held, jointly responsible for problems. 1094 01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:47,910 And it resolves things with a small fine structure, but ultimately the goal is to educate the community. 1095 01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,790 Fines can be removed if an educational program takes place. 1096 01:35:53,410 --> 01:35:59,490 I really hope that in the months to come, we can have the e-bike conversation that's on the 1097 01:35:59,490 --> 01:36:05,510 work plan, and to know that these are some tools that we have available to us, well-vetted 1098 01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:08,550 programs that Pacifica can take part in. 1099 01:36:08,910 --> 01:36:09,530 Thank you. 1100 01:36:09,530 --> 01:36:10,110 Thank you, Cindy. 1101 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:13,710 Okay. 1102 01:36:13,950 --> 01:36:14,310 Michael? 1103 01:36:15,010 --> 01:36:17,330 Mm-hm. 1104 01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:20,750 I quite well, but I'm indeed too good to see you again. 1105 01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:29,130 So regarding flock, I've heard a lot of people mention that today, and there's reasonable 1106 01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:36,010 concerns about public rights, Fourth Amendment, et cetera. 1107 01:36:36,610 --> 01:36:42,330 However, I'm hearing the concern about finances, and we know that our police department 1108 01:36:42,330 --> 01:36:43,390 is understaffed. 1109 01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:49,390 We know that we have a budget crisis, and I think it will be important for the police when 1110 01:36:49,390 --> 01:36:55,210 they give the presentation about automated license plate readers, both fixed and mobile, that 1111 01:36:55,210 --> 01:37:01,250 we also hear about the benefits, how many crimes have been solved by the use of ALPRs. 1112 01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:04,550 I don't know, I don't think anybody else in here either does either. 1113 01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:12,170 What would be the cost to increase our law enforcement as far as additional officers, more 1114 01:37:12,170 --> 01:37:15,230 cars, additional gas, additional maintenance? 1115 01:37:15,230 --> 01:37:19,710 What is the cost of that versus the cost of the ALPR system? 1116 01:37:20,430 --> 01:37:29,670 We need to come into this conversation fully understanding what the impact will be if we remove these systems and how we will address that gap. 1117 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:57,520 It's going to be a tough conversation and that conversation comes up. Obviously, there's a lot of people both in Pacifica and around the US that are concerned about this technology. However, we do need to be mindful of how understaffed our police department is and the use of that tool, perhaps bridging some of that gap. So let's make sure there's a full cost benefit analysis of that tool and how we will address anything that's lost if it's removed. Thank you. 1118 01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:58,460 Thank you, Michael. 1119 01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:00,240 Do you have anyone online, Emily? 1120 01:38:01,220 --> 01:38:04,480 There are two raised hands that first is for Sarah Matlin. 1121 01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:06,720 Go ahead, Sarah. 1122 01:38:09,660 --> 01:38:10,080 Good evening. 1123 01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:14,240 I don't even know what I know, but I'm often interested to get because my best friend lives there. 1124 01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:19,800 While she and I search for whales using Pacifica Whales' body, I see these searching 1125 01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,580 for our neighbors using Pacifica's flock of animals. 1126 01:38:23,260 --> 01:38:26,960 Pacifica leaders are trying really hard to protect our community in a place of immense pressure. 1127 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:32,020 But over the last year, ICE took 140 of our San Mateo County neighbors from our community 1128 01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:36,320 and then they had them were driving or getting out of their cars when ICE took them. 1129 01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:41,960 To protect our community members from being kidnapped and to decrease the chances of a number of costly lawsuit, 1130 01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:44,920 City Council should not remove the flunk contract. 1131 01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:50,920 But as you're going to insist on renewing the contract, I urge you to pass an ordinance with the best practices included 1132 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:55,740 to avoid some of the problems that have gotten other cities in trouble and even suit for violations. 1133 01:38:55,740 --> 01:39:00,240 I'm one of a few local volunteers that are dropping a model ordinance to the city 1134 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,600 put adopt and I look forward to being in contact with you about that in the future. 1135 01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:08,300 So as an example, Pacifica's surveillance camera policy promises to implement 1136 01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:11,680 guard-real processes to decrease in proper data sharing. 1137 01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,340 But according to the Civil Branch, your report, Pacifica's search logs reflect that 1138 01:39:16,340 --> 01:39:25,720 data we shared with other agencies without using those processes, violating the city's own 1139 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:30,340 who has studied the grand jury report and address problems in the FLOC contract in your 1140 01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:36,640 surveillance camera policy, my best friend, a significant holder resident and volunteer, 1141 01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:43,020 is an employee department, is a naturalized citizen, and she's worried for her own safety 1142 01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:49,520 in Pacifica that because she speaks with an absent. So please don't assume Pacifica's FLOC 1143 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:54,640 contract should be renewed. So they always cameras may seem like a cost-saving measure, 1144 01:39:54,640 --> 01:40:04,280 But there's a huge hidden cost to claim pain, flaw, to feed information into a violent deportation machine that is tearing our community apart. 1145 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:09,480 Please allow the contract to expire and instead use those funds to better protect our community. 1146 01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:10,940 Thank you. 1147 01:40:11,140 --> 01:40:11,460 Thank you. 1148 01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:12,060 Thank you Sarah. 1149 01:40:12,940 --> 01:40:14,800 The next raise hands for Lila Reniro. 1150 01:40:15,780 --> 01:40:16,060 Thank you. 1151 01:40:16,060 --> 01:40:16,580 Go ahead Lila. 1152 01:40:18,630 --> 01:40:18,990 Hello. 1153 01:40:20,490 --> 01:40:20,710 Hi. 1154 01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:21,350 Can you hear me? 1155 01:40:21,690 --> 01:40:21,770 Yep. 1156 01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:28,150 Okay, good evening, Mayor and Council members and everyone, given the city's current budget concerns, 1157 01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:34,990 I think we need to look seriously at enforcement, collecting fines, and making sure we aren't leaving money on the table. 1158 01:40:35,630 --> 01:40:41,730 When SDR operators are allowed to operate without a required permit, the city is losing not only the permit revenue, 1159 01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:46,590 but also so many other revenues and fines associated with non-compliance. 1160 01:40:47,210 --> 01:40:50,870 Without budget is under pressure, we simply cannot afford to overlook that. 1161 01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:57,130 It also doesn't make sense to spend limited staff and tax pay or resources investigating violations. 1162 01:40:57,910 --> 01:41:01,370 If chronic violators can continue operating without meaningful consequences. 1163 01:41:02,270 --> 01:41:03,330 We also need transparency. 1164 01:41:04,170 --> 01:41:09,710 The public should have a clear, easily accessible place to see where an SDR stands with respect to compliance. 1165 01:41:10,290 --> 01:41:17,730 Whether it's permitted, whether violations have been identified, whether enforcement is underway, and whether outstanding fines have been paid. 1166 01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:25,350 If we're serious about addressing our budget challenges, we need to make sure that we are collecting revenue that is owed to the city. 1167 01:41:25,730 --> 01:41:30,210 Enforcing our ordinances and not allowing noncompliance to be the cost of doing business. 1168 01:41:31,110 --> 01:41:32,330 Thank you. 1169 01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:33,170 Thank you, Lila. 1170 01:41:34,150 --> 01:41:34,970 There are no other reasons. 1171 01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:38,650 With that, I will close public comment. 1172 01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:46,430 City manager, can I just ask, I know when we're doing agenda planning, sometimes we have things that are 1173 01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:54,770 tentatively on the agenda and flock is tentatively on the agenda for October 12th, when 1174 01:41:54,770 --> 01:41:57,810 when will we know for sure when that is coming to us. 1175 01:42:00,630 --> 01:42:08,330 So there is a civil grand jury report on automated license readers in the county and we are 1176 01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:12,250 named recipient, statutory required to provide answers. 1177 01:42:13,170 --> 01:42:14,190 This is all public information. 1178 01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:15,850 I don't want to stray too far on things 1179 01:42:15,850 --> 01:42:16,630 that are not in the agenda. 1180 01:42:17,530 --> 01:42:19,010 And we have a statutory deadline 1181 01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:24,490 to provide comments to respond to that by the end of October. 1182 01:42:25,630 --> 01:42:28,890 So within that time frame, we'll make it. 1183 01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:31,050 OK, so sometime before the end of October. 1184 01:42:31,290 --> 01:42:31,530 Yes. 1185 01:42:31,790 --> 01:42:32,610 OK, great. 1186 01:42:32,610 --> 01:42:33,910 Thank you. 1187 01:42:34,930 --> 01:42:35,350 All right. 1188 01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:37,630 Thanks Mary. 1189 01:42:37,630 --> 01:42:44,510 just a little follow-up on that. What is the best way for people to get information about 1190 01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:54,630 the Flock Program in Pacifica? I think I'd reserve that answer until we come back with those responses 1191 01:42:55,390 --> 01:42:57,530 and additional information on the contract. 1192 01:43:01,180 --> 01:43:03,620 This item's not on the agenda. I do want to be 1193 01:43:03,620 --> 01:43:08,220 The cognizant and careful, may have someone who may want to help you with that answer. 1194 01:43:10,860 --> 01:43:14,420 I don't want to go too deep into this topic tonight. 1195 01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:16,840 No, I think I know it's not appropriate. 1196 01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:18,020 Thank you. 1197 01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:23,360 But if people have questions, is it appropriate to email the police department with questions? 1198 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,640 They can email me, they can email the police department. 1199 01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:26,400 Okay. 1200 01:43:28,300 --> 01:43:32,900 Yes, I'm going to hear at Pacifica.gov and is it Pacifica police? 1201 01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,700 Pacifica.gov, I'm not sure what the general email is. 1202 01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:43,170 We'll hear that from our chief. 1203 01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:45,150 Thank you so much for being at the Pacifica. 1204 01:43:45,150 --> 01:43:48,430 Democrats talking about this very issue just a couple weeks ago. 1205 01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:49,530 You're very welcome. 1206 01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:50,510 Good evening. 1207 01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:53,250 Madam Mayor and council members, Maria Sarah Sue. 1208 01:43:53,370 --> 01:43:55,090 I proudly serve as your police chief. 1209 01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:58,730 So any questions related to the Float Camera System 1210 01:43:58,730 --> 01:44:07,490 can be directed to our email address at police, at PacificaPolice.org or our transparency portal, 1211 01:44:08,210 --> 01:44:09,470 which is on our department website. 1212 01:44:10,830 --> 01:44:11,410 Thank you. 1213 01:44:11,490 --> 01:44:13,010 Thank you so much. 1214 01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:16,020 Okay. 1215 01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:19,980 Sorry. 1216 01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:24,740 That brings us to item 12. 1217 01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,640 I'm wondering if we need a little 10 minute break. 1218 01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:27,540 Okay. 1219 01:44:28,340 --> 01:44:30,540 So we'll take a break until 9 o'clock. 1220 01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:32,940 Recording stopped. 1221 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,900 We need everyone else start to quiet down, please, including Mara, Spinoza, in the back. 1222 01:45:13,290 --> 01:45:22,550 Okay, so our next item is item 10, which is a continuation of a public hearing text amendment 1223 01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:31,710 about the density bonus program, and I'm sorry, I'm 12, and the zoning 1224 01:45:31,710 --> 01:45:33,130 regent regulations. 1225 01:45:35,470 --> 01:45:36,890 So, city manager, Sharpen, Tina? 1226 01:45:37,490 --> 01:45:37,750 Yes. 1227 01:45:39,410 --> 01:45:46,210 So, public hearing on the proposed amendment to the density bonus and BMR inclusionary housing 1228 01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:51,970 program was scheduled for this meeting and staff required more time. 1229 01:45:51,970 --> 01:45:56,110 to pull together the documents and the complete staff report. 1230 01:45:56,410 --> 01:46:08,870 So we are requesting that the Council take action to continue the item to the next regularly scheduled meeting on September 14th. 1231 01:46:09,230 --> 01:46:18,270 And if there are people who would like to provide public comment on this item, because they are here, we would recommend that we take that public comment. 1232 01:46:18,270 --> 01:46:22,490 Okay, are there any council questions first before public comment? 1233 01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:23,630 No. 1234 01:46:24,430 --> 01:46:26,890 Okay, I'm opening public comment on item 12. 1235 01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:28,310 I don't have any cards. 1236 01:46:29,070 --> 01:46:31,510 Can come up to the microphone if you want to see. 1237 01:46:31,610 --> 01:46:32,970 Is there anyone online, Emily? 1238 01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:35,090 There are no raise hands. 1239 01:46:35,530 --> 01:46:36,950 Okay, closing public comment. 1240 01:46:38,630 --> 01:46:42,590 I move that we postpone the item two, September 14th. 1241 01:46:42,590 --> 01:46:42,990 I'll second. 1242 01:46:43,890 --> 01:46:44,990 Okay, please vote. 1243 01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:55,550 The motion to get near the public hearing to September 14th meet by councilmember Beckmire seconded by 1244 01:46:56,050 --> 01:46:58,550 Councilmember beer the motion passes unanimously 1245 01:46:59,110 --> 01:47:06,470 Okay, that brings us to item 13 the designation of a voting delegate for the League of California cities annual conference 1246 01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:13,850 That's to you again for the manager Sharpen 10 so California cities is the statewide organization 1247 01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:18,730 that is devoted to representing the interest of cities throughout the state of California. 1248 01:47:18,970 --> 01:47:26,730 Their annual conference is mid-September in Anaheim starting on September 22, 23rd. 1249 01:47:27,790 --> 01:47:33,090 And the action before you, for this item, is to add that meeting. 1250 01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:39,470 They have an action item among their general members, with one delegate from each city. 1251 01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:51,510 I believe voting on that action item and there was a request before you tonight is to appoint a member of the Pacific City Council to be the delegate and an alternate. 1252 01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:52,730 Okay. 1253 01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:56,270 Any council questions? 1254 01:47:57,090 --> 01:47:59,030 How many members are attending? 1255 01:48:00,930 --> 01:48:07,970 The following are registered to attend Vice Mayor Wright, Council Member Beckmeyer and Council 1256 01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:09,730 Member Espinoza. 1257 01:48:10,290 --> 01:48:12,390 You're waving your hand like you're not sure. 1258 01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:16,110 You are. 1259 01:48:17,050 --> 01:48:17,070 Okay. 1260 01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:20,090 So it'll be between the three of you. 1261 01:48:22,290 --> 01:48:24,890 Well, why don't we open up public comment first? 1262 01:48:25,610 --> 01:48:26,810 Again, don't have any cards. 1263 01:48:27,070 --> 01:48:28,030 Don't see anybody getting up. 1264 01:48:28,570 --> 01:48:29,230 Is there anyone online? 1265 01:48:29,230 --> 01:48:30,410 There are no resins. 1266 01:48:30,610 --> 01:48:31,010 All right. 1267 01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:33,210 I'm going to close public comment, 1268 01:48:35,330 --> 01:48:38,650 would any of the three of you like to do it? 1269 01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:42,520 I've done it before. 1270 01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:47,290 You did it last year, right? 1271 01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:48,670 Thank you. 1272 01:48:50,730 --> 01:48:52,330 Sorry, I don't remember. 1273 01:48:52,630 --> 01:48:53,830 I think I might have been the devotee. 1274 01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:54,470 Thank you for that. 1275 01:48:54,490 --> 01:48:55,750 I think I did it for your before. 1276 01:48:59,070 --> 01:48:59,690 Thank you for the bottom. 1277 01:49:01,150 --> 01:49:02,330 I know I'm a nightmare. 1278 01:49:03,490 --> 01:49:04,050 Second. 1279 01:49:05,210 --> 01:49:06,330 Do we need to vote? 1280 01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:07,170 Yes. 1281 01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:07,790 Tell some members. 1282 01:49:08,370 --> 01:49:12,670 Also, it requests an appointing an alternate or two alternate. 1283 01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:16,330 So if you'd like to amend the motion. 1284 01:49:16,330 --> 01:49:18,170 I propose, Greg, as the alternate. 1285 01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:20,810 Yes. 1286 01:49:20,990 --> 01:49:21,470 I agree. 1287 01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:23,390 Do we need to vote? 1288 01:49:27,190 --> 01:49:27,550 Okay. 1289 01:49:27,550 --> 01:49:32,330 So the motion is myra as the representative and Greg as the alternate. 1290 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:36,680 I'm going to repeat the motion. 1291 01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,340 just like J.P. 1292 01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:45,540 And with the motion made by council member, back in my ear to a point, council member Espinosa 1293 01:49:45,540 --> 01:49:51,360 as the delegate and vice mayor bright as the alternate. 1294 01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,960 The motion was seconded by council member beer and passes unanimously. 1295 01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:57,360 Perfect. 1296 01:50:00,620 --> 01:50:05,830 Okay, and then this is missing something. 1297 01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:15,680 So we have a discussion also about the resolution that's going to CalCities, sorry, I don't 1298 01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,040 see that in I am 14, 1299 01:50:19,260 --> 01:50:24,520 oh, that is I'm 14, okay, moving on to I'm 14, thank you. 1300 01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:35,060 So this is direction to the voting delegate regarding the conference resolution packet and 1301 01:50:35,060 --> 01:50:44,480 So I understand this is about a potential committee working group to look at some of the housing 1302 01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:52,380 laws and perhaps finding a way to push back a little bit on the state and all that they're 1303 01:50:52,380 --> 01:50:55,680 taking away an authority from us. 1304 01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,540 But I should probably let City Manager say all this instead of me that might be saying it 1305 01:50:59,540 --> 01:50:59,760 around. 1306 01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:04,380 That was a better summary than the dry summary I'll give you. 1307 01:51:05,180 --> 01:51:09,580 So the next action is related to the Council providing direction to their delegate for 1308 01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:11,360 that vote in the General Assembly. 1309 01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:18,000 CalCities has accepts resolutions from its memor agencies for the membership to vote on. 1310 01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,060 This one was prepared by the city of Maria. 1311 01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:28,920 And specifically it is to direct the CalCities, the League of California cities, to support 1312 01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:34,640 the development and advancement of a state constitutional amendment or other legislative policy 1313 01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:39,320 or ballot-based initiatives that restore and strengthen local authority over housing 1314 01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:44,260 and land use matters within municipal boundaries, including general plans, housing 1315 01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:50,360 elements, zoning, design, and development standards, project-siding, and the approval 1316 01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:56,860 or denial of housing development applications, and as was noted in the resolution from 1317 01:51:56,860 --> 01:52:03,860 Marietta, the state, and the last 10 years has passed over 500 bills controlling or limiting 1318 01:52:03,860 --> 01:52:06,100 what cities can and can't do. 1319 01:52:07,220 --> 01:52:14,520 And my recommendation is to support this effort and be part of it as it proceeds through 1320 01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:15,700 the Cal City's process. 1321 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:23,920 It does not commit the city to ultimately supporting any particular outcome, but I think Pacific 1322 01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:29,200 as a unique voice in these questions given its role as a coastal community. 1323 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,040 And also one who is a housing provider. 1324 01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:45,460 And this committee, if I read correctly, would be if they're looking at a ballot measure that would be something in four years. 1325 01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:50,620 So it's potentially a longer study. 1326 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:58,040 I don't know what the timing would be or it could be legislation or it could be both. 1327 01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:03,880 legislation is please do this or we're going to return to the ballot. I just don't know. 1328 01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:10,400 But it is to try to have the cities have a unified voice on recognizing that there is a need 1329 01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:15,540 for housing but what is the appropriate way for the state and the appropriate balance of 1330 01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:20,200 power between the state and the cities to best move that housing agenda forward. 1331 01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,460 Yeah, take public comment. Again, I have no cards. 1332 01:53:32,380 --> 01:53:33,540 There are no reshands. 1333 01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:34,260 No reshands. 1334 01:53:34,660 --> 01:53:36,160 The closing public comment. 1335 01:53:38,900 --> 01:53:40,740 So, I have a, I just have a... 1336 01:53:40,740 --> 01:53:42,820 In the future, is, may I? 1337 01:53:42,820 --> 01:53:43,300 Yeah, yeah. 1338 01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:44,440 It's a bit of process. 1339 01:53:44,860 --> 01:53:51,060 Assuming it is legislation or a ballot measure, it would come back to the council for support. 1340 01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:55,160 So, this does not denote support, sort of, a blanket support for anything. 1341 01:53:57,450 --> 01:53:58,090 Mayor Balls. 1342 01:53:58,470 --> 01:54:00,410 We called for public comment, rather quickly. 1343 01:54:00,830 --> 01:54:02,210 And I did see a hand. 1344 01:54:02,210 --> 01:54:05,350 No, I'm happy to re-open public home insurance. 1345 01:54:07,690 --> 01:54:09,170 The raise hand is where Lila Reniro. 1346 01:54:09,610 --> 01:54:10,470 Okay, go ahead, Lila. 1347 01:54:10,830 --> 01:54:12,330 Sorry to cut you off too quick. 1348 01:54:13,050 --> 01:54:13,430 No worries. 1349 01:54:13,610 --> 01:54:16,850 I'm just going to say I'm all for the DAPA action. 1350 01:54:17,410 --> 01:54:19,970 I don't know all the details, but what I do know about it, 1351 01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:23,570 it sounds like a great way to move forward and be united, 1352 01:54:25,650 --> 01:54:28,430 especially for the multiple issues that we have. 1353 01:54:28,910 --> 01:54:32,250 The STR issue and also potentially to the reading numbers. 1354 01:54:32,250 --> 01:54:35,470 That's it. Thank you. Okay, thank you so much, Simon. 1355 01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:37,510 You're in northern Rizans. 1356 01:54:40,710 --> 01:54:42,230 I haven't studied the exact resolution. 1357 01:54:43,550 --> 01:54:45,950 And I'm not sure what typically happens in these meetings. 1358 01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:50,010 Like, would the delegate be voting on the exact wording in the resolution? 1359 01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:53,210 Well, I can give you a little overview. 1360 01:54:53,490 --> 01:54:55,250 If you look at packet pay. 1361 01:54:56,890 --> 01:54:58,570 Shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh. 1362 01:55:01,790 --> 01:55:05,490 Oh, shit. Where is it? I was just looking at it. 1363 01:55:09,470 --> 01:55:13,710 Oh, there's some policy committees that it goes through. 1364 01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:21,370 And one of those is going to be before the conference on September 17. 1365 01:55:23,190 --> 01:55:26,790 Which looks like it's a Zoom opportunity. 1366 01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:28,090 I don't have to go down there. 1367 01:55:28,090 --> 01:55:30,270 housing community. Yeah, that's on by. 1368 01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:33,110 It's three. It's the 17th. 1369 01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:35,750 And then there's 61. 1370 01:55:37,890 --> 01:55:44,110 There's a couple of meetings during the conference itself. 1371 01:55:44,570 --> 01:55:46,210 So page 361. 1372 01:55:47,590 --> 01:55:54,530 So the general consideration of the general assembly at 830 in the morning on Friday, 1373 01:55:54,530 --> 01:56:02,390 the 25th and oh no, there's the Resolutions Committee on Thursday, the 24th at 1 p.m. 1374 01:56:03,150 --> 01:56:03,950 at the conference. 1375 01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:13,350 So if you want to learn more about the actual debate or discussion, I've found going to 1376 01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:22,210 that session on Thursday, the 24th is supplements reading the material that we have in 1377 01:56:22,210 --> 01:56:22,770 packet. 1378 01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:30,750 And then the actual voting, the time that the delegate does the actual voting is 1379 01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:37,010 on Friday the 25th. But sometimes at that committee meeting, like the resolutions committee 1380 01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:44,490 could amend it so much or do something that negates even having the vote on Friday morning. 1381 01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:52,010 I've seen that happen. So be prepared. The vote is happening, but you'll be notified if it's 1382 01:56:53,850 --> 01:57:08,690 Now, so that's the process, as I understand it, then the issue is we're supposed to on this item give you direction of our feedback kind of of what we think about this resolution. 1383 01:57:09,110 --> 01:57:14,090 And the resolution itself, it starts on page 366, it's just a page and a half long. 1384 01:57:14,090 --> 01:57:28,330 And I don't know if a state, I mean, I think it'll come out of committee as to whether the correct decision is to do a state constitutional amendment. 1385 01:57:28,570 --> 01:57:34,110 It seems like that's one of the possibilities that they're all that's exactly what they're calling for. 1386 01:57:34,410 --> 01:57:38,790 They want a working group to consider a state constitutional amendment, 1387 01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:45,870 or other form of initiative to ensure final local authority over housing and land use decisions. 1388 01:57:46,990 --> 01:57:53,970 So I support that and I think, you know, like all things, the details are what matter. 1389 01:57:54,850 --> 01:58:01,930 I did take a quick glance at the cities that had signed on and had letters of support. 1390 01:58:01,930 --> 01:58:09,330 and two of them, Norco and torrents are charter cities. 1391 01:58:10,250 --> 01:58:16,150 So that's one thing, charter cities are different than general law cities, and we're general law city. 1392 01:58:17,450 --> 01:58:27,910 So basically, as it states in the packet in the analysis, we as a general law city must conform to state laws. 1393 01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:36,070 Charter cities have more leeway in ability to modify them, but we have to do what the state 1394 01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:40,850 law says. And so that's what I think the frustration level with these cities that have put 1395 01:58:40,850 --> 01:58:49,490 this forward is they want to bring back some of that control through the possibility of doing 1396 01:58:49,490 --> 01:58:55,150 this working group at least to start and then decide if there should be a measure, a state wide 1397 01:58:55,150 --> 01:58:57,930 measure or constitutional amendment. 1398 01:59:00,970 --> 01:59:05,210 So, I don't, I think at this point, find out, right? 1399 01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:08,710 I mean, we've certainly had a lot of impacts. 1400 01:59:09,550 --> 01:59:13,490 I think for us, the biggest one I would carry forward is, 1401 01:59:13,970 --> 01:59:16,590 we are subject to the Coastal Commission, 1402 01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:20,690 and we are subject like everyone to housing and community development. 1403 01:59:21,230 --> 01:59:23,730 And there's a lot of tension between those two, 1404 01:59:23,730 --> 01:59:33,490 And it's often not clear which one we answer to, well, they both say me and sometimes there are conflicts there. 1405 01:59:33,890 --> 01:59:37,610 That's just one thing to bring forward from our point of view. 1406 01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:46,910 And they don't mention that here, so that's something that I think is really important to bring up to make sure that that's something that they include in their study. 1407 01:59:47,470 --> 01:59:53,090 Yeah, because I don't, I mean honestly, I'm really bad with geography, but it doesn't look to me like any of these are 1408 01:59:54,590 --> 01:59:59,970 Coastal cities. The ones that are that submitted letters. That doesn't mean there might not be code 1409 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,900 Social Cities attending that session on the 24th. 1410 02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:08,080 They're not, they're mostly in the NMPAR. 1411 02:00:08,220 --> 02:00:13,160 Yeah, yeah, torrents is close, but maybe not right on the coast. 1412 02:00:13,900 --> 02:00:15,600 They're one of the charter cities. 1413 02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:21,700 So one of the paragraphs in the resolution that I thought really explained this very well 1414 02:00:21,700 --> 02:00:28,680 says, whereas increasingly prescriptive statewide housing mandates and development approval requirements 1415 02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:34,600 can override locally adopted plans, zoning standards, and public review procedures without 1416 02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:40,640 adequately accounting for differences that exist in each unit jurisdiction, and infrastructure 1417 02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:46,240 capacity, water availability, wildlife, wildfire, and evacuation risks, environmental 1418 02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:50,820 constraints, fiscal impacts, public surface needs, and community priorities. 1419 02:00:51,780 --> 02:00:55,680 So, this is where, like all the state laws are taking away our ability to even review 1420 02:00:55,680 --> 02:01:02,040 these projects and consider these things, and it is becoming more and more problematic. 1421 02:01:05,620 --> 02:01:17,260 So, that'd be great, and then the first meeting is of the housing subcommittee, sorry, 1422 02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:23,320 what were they called again, the policy committee, yeah, so that's the housing community and 1423 02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:28,600 economic development committee, and I don't know if you know Rebecca Flynn, she's on the council 1424 02:01:29,580 --> 02:01:35,560 in Pertola Valley, but she sits on that committee, so she'd be a good person to talk to, 1425 02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:39,880 I can introduce you my email or something, I had a time when I feel like, 1426 02:01:42,970 --> 02:01:44,370 yeah, not just 1427 02:01:44,370 --> 02:01:48,310 I will discuss it, but I'm prepared to make a motion. 1428 02:01:48,570 --> 02:01:48,630 Okay. 1429 02:01:49,010 --> 02:01:50,650 I guess I'll be sure to be a motion. 1430 02:01:50,690 --> 02:01:52,430 Any other concerns? 1431 02:01:52,610 --> 02:01:53,730 Questions and put? 1432 02:01:55,090 --> 02:01:55,450 All right. 1433 02:01:55,710 --> 02:01:56,710 Then go for it. 1434 02:01:57,070 --> 02:02:04,590 I'm prepared to move that we follow Sean's recommendation to move this forward. 1435 02:02:07,210 --> 02:02:07,450 Second. 1436 02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:11,760 So we vote? 1437 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,460 Is that a nozzaboting item? 1438 02:02:13,620 --> 02:02:13,860 Yes. 1439 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:14,480 Yes. 1440 02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:16,480 Move forward. 1441 02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:17,460 Yes. 1442 02:02:21,180 --> 02:02:29,140 And the motion to support a position of approval, providing that to the delegate to the 1443 02:02:29,140 --> 02:02:35,800 CalCities, made by Vice Mayor Wright, seconded by Council Member Beer, the motion passes 1444 02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:36,300 unanimously. 1445 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:44,620 So we have two more things on our agenda, Council Communications, which we haven't done 1446 02:02:44,620 --> 02:02:46,200 in a while, and then staff communication. 1447 02:02:47,460 --> 02:02:51,820 So any council members like to divide an update or two? 1448 02:02:51,860 --> 02:02:52,140 I 1449 02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:01,140 can start if nobody gets ready. 1450 02:03:01,540 --> 02:03:02,320 Please do you want a little minute? 1451 02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:07,880 So formally, I still feel like I have to say this. 1452 02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:10,200 I'm necessarily clean energy now, Westlight Energy. 1453 02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:12,660 We met in July. 1454 02:03:14,180 --> 02:03:18,920 And one exciting thing, we've just approved the first microgrid 1455 02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:21,720 project for the county, which will be in Pasquadero. 1456 02:03:23,420 --> 02:03:26,340 So that's a community that gets really isolated. 1457 02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:32,460 Their power goes out a lot and with their power goes their water supply, which is also 1458 02:03:33,300 --> 02:03:34,260 well-based. 1459 02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,480 And so they've just been awarded a PGD grant to do that work. 1460 02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,380 Plus 10 million from West Light Energy and 3 million from the county. 1461 02:03:43,660 --> 02:03:44,760 So that's quite exciting. 1462 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:52,860 And then, we've been talking about the GOV PV programs and that's how we've gotten the 1463 02:03:54,800 --> 02:04:01,420 solar carport at the Civic Center and the solar on our community center and batteries 1464 02:04:01,420 --> 02:04:11,200 are still optional for both of those projects, but so they want to continue investing in helping 1465 02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,860 and greenhouse gas emissions, 1466 02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:32,760 but are deciding not to find all of this themselves because it takes away from their investments and other projects so they were looking at eye bank financing and unfortunately the rates are too high to make sense for cities to take that up. 1467 02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:40,420 So we're regrouping about that, but that program is still a commitment that West Light Energy 1468 02:04:40,420 --> 02:04:41,540 wants to work on. 1469 02:04:47,300 --> 02:04:56,060 So just a few things that I want to highlight, the county VLF meeting on the 13th was really 1470 02:04:56,060 --> 02:05:03,360 powerful and Jackie Spear ended up taking my recording and my testimony up there for the 1471 02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:12,880 at the state level, but unfortunately, they didn't really get any sympathy. The hope was that 1472 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:18,460 the state might put something on a trailer bill that would fix this problem more long 1473 02:05:18,460 --> 02:05:25,700 turn. So I think the county is still working on an action plan, but it's really going to need 1474 02:05:25,700 --> 02:05:31,580 to focus now on Bistera, and then continued pressure on other assembly members and senators. 1475 02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:36,100 There's a lot of them in the rest of the state have this impression that we're a wealthy 1476 02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:39,680 county and we don't really need this money and that's just not true. 1477 02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:45,380 This is part of our fair share that all the other cities and counties get. 1478 02:05:46,260 --> 02:05:51,880 We happen to be a donor county, giving back more to the state and taxes than they return 1479 02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:57,000 to us just like the state is to the federal government, but that doesn't mean we don't 1480 02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:04,780 needs to take care of our staffing and community services and so forth. So this 1481 02:06:04,780 --> 02:06:07,660 four and a half million that's at rest for Pacific and next year would just 1482 02:06:07,660 --> 02:06:11,820 be devastating on top of our budget issues. 1483 02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:19,580 I'm sure most of us were at the Charter Medal hearing and person or remotely 1484 02:06:19,580 --> 02:06:24,440 thank you all for being there. I just want to make sure people know there's a 1485 02:06:24,440 --> 02:06:32,300 council and planning commission meeting tomorrow night starting at six right here to talk about next steps. 1486 02:06:33,420 --> 02:06:38,700 And then why are I went to an urban land institute training last Friday? 1487 02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:45,880 Was a joint program with partnership for the Bayes teacher that the city has an intern working with too. 1488 02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:49,920 So this was officially like urban planning for elected officials. 1489 02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:56,620 so we had like a fake city with multiple blocks that they had a fire and we had to figure 1490 02:06:56,620 --> 02:07:04,240 out the combination of housing and commercial parks and other services and not just like 1491 02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:11,620 design the layout but also like run the financials and my team had a very beautiful one but 1492 02:07:11,620 --> 02:07:14,480 we lost because we would make as much money as we had it. 1493 02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:19,000 We've had a lot of open space over a couple of parts, don't you? 1494 02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:25,840 And not only that, the city had to pay 50% of that open space, plus they didn't have enough houses. 1495 02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,320 So, Rado return was very good. 1496 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:59,980 Mayors seem to better. All right, mayors seem. What did your project do? Same thing all the time. Well, one of the things that we have some open space to, but it's not like we're seeing, but the people who did win, they were not like, I didn't like the project. They didn't have any, any, only one park. And the other thing is like the, the council were investors. How could you be sent out to them? They would, they liked that part. 1497 02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:05,320 because it made a lot of houses, but anyhow, it was a lot of fun to do that. 1498 02:08:05,740 --> 02:08:06,780 It's a good day, isn't it? 1499 02:08:08,420 --> 02:08:12,420 And the other thing I learned, I think community development director, 1500 02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:15,040 up to grave news about this too, 1501 02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,000 but there have been land institute has this, 1502 02:08:18,700 --> 02:08:21,740 like call it a top program technical assistance panel, 1503 02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:26,300 where the cities can invite them to look at an issue, 1504 02:08:26,300 --> 02:08:29,920 could be related ordinances, it could be related to urban planning. 1505 02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:33,680 And I was thinking that would be a super cool thing to do for 1506 02:08:34,740 --> 02:08:38,100 manner, you know, between all the housing and redevelopment of manner, 1507 02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:41,920 plaza, the freeway going in and then the issues with coastal erosion. 1508 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:44,420 You know, it's quite complex. 1509 02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:48,160 So anyway, we'll have to talk about a little bit more next year for 1510 02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:52,140 if we have capacity to bring that on. 1511 02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:55,820 Through the mayor, we are in discussion with them about a top. 1512 02:08:55,820 --> 02:09:03,660 Awesome. Nice. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else too? 1513 02:09:04,460 --> 02:09:12,820 I have a couple notes from North County Water District meeting on the 19th. 1514 02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:18,020 And I keep listening carefully whenever they talk about recycled water 1515 02:09:18,020 --> 02:09:25,120 because I know that there's a lot of folks that are anxious to be able to go to the new North County Water District 1516 02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:33,140 facility and collect their recycled water. There are people, very near to us sitting on this day as 1517 02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:40,560 who are also part of those desiring that. There's some bio-assay testing that has to happen. 1518 02:09:41,860 --> 02:09:48,900 In our wastewater area, and also at North County Water District, and that work is supposedly happening 1519 02:09:48,900 --> 02:09:55,700 next week. So, I'm fingers crossed that they're going to pass with flying colors and very soon 1520 02:09:55,700 --> 02:10:01,720 we'll be getting notice of when we'll be able to get water. The other thing that I mentioned 1521 02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:10,410 to the city manager, that I wasn't aware of is implementation of Assembly Bill 1572 which is the 1522 02:10:10,410 --> 02:10:21,970 of potable water on non-functional turf, and there are three deadlines. Jan 1 of 27, 28, and 1523 02:10:21,970 --> 02:10:28,910 29, depending on who you are, as what entity you are and cities and school districts are in 1524 02:10:28,910 --> 02:10:36,650 the first batch. And so there's definitions of what is functional turf, obviously playing fields, 1525 02:10:36,650 --> 02:10:41,810 things like that, but I was interested to hear in the presentation that even if it doesn't 1526 02:10:41,810 --> 02:10:48,250 seem like functional turf, but there are trees present, then it's considered functional turf, 1527 02:10:48,830 --> 02:10:56,090 helping to hold water, I guess, for the trees or whatever. But so I know city staff will be on 1528 02:10:56,090 --> 02:11:03,590 this in terms of assessing what is our, you know, potentially non-functional turf. I think the 1529 02:11:03,590 --> 02:11:10,270 issue is we may have what we consider to be turf. It's all about are you irrigating it or not. 1530 02:11:11,890 --> 02:11:19,770 So, we were thinking about the area next to Sanchez library. I don't think that's irrigated. 1531 02:11:19,950 --> 02:11:26,190 I mean, grass grows there sometimes, but it's also really kind of, you know, where the frisbee golf thing is. 1532 02:11:26,190 --> 02:11:29,650 So, anyway, that was interesting and useful, 1533 02:11:31,850 --> 02:11:36,230 and the next tank that they're going to work on is the fastler tank. 1534 02:11:38,250 --> 02:11:43,950 They've completely signed off, I'm pretty sure on the Sheila tank. 1535 02:11:45,330 --> 02:11:56,880 Yeah, so, and then we heard that there may be an increase in the height of the existing cell tower that they have there. 1536 02:11:56,880 --> 02:12:01,740 In fact, I think there is going to be increased, which, you know, good news bad news people 1537 02:12:01,740 --> 02:12:07,420 don't like seeing those, but on the other hand, it might help really not good coverage 1538 02:12:07,420 --> 02:12:09,120 in that area of challenge. 1539 02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:15,140 So that's all I have there, and the other thing I wanted to report that I don't have the 1540 02:12:15,140 --> 02:12:20,900 specifics on, I can share ones I get that the slides and look for the real information. 1541 02:12:20,900 --> 02:12:28,820 And I understand that the funding source in the, in the, in the, I don't know, probably 1542 02:12:28,820 --> 02:12:36,480 hundreds, Sean Eucatales, hundreds of thousands at least, maybe more from PG&E that supported 1543 02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:45,280 all kinds of things like rye caps and, you know, which we use to help our client action plan, 1544 02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:50,360 all of that, it comes, the source of his funds, one big source is PG&E. 1545 02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:57,060 under some kind of grant program to the county, that is not going to be renewed. That funding 1546 02:12:57,060 --> 02:13:05,280 source is going in a year. I think it's not like immediately, but there was at the resource management 1547 02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:12,560 and climate protection committee meeting a whole host of things that we just, I just sort of take 1548 02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:19,240 granted as existing and now they're in jeopardy because, and certainly with the LF, it's 1549 02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:23,400 not like, oh, the county will just pick it up. Do you have any other information on that? 1550 02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:32,700 The county that flows through CCAG, the PG&E provides 800,000 to a million a year and it does 1551 02:13:32,700 --> 02:13:38,720 expire. They've indicated that they were ending the program, I think, in December of 27, I think, 1552 02:13:39,420 --> 02:13:47,740 And it does fund a lot of the climate action protection activities, a lot of the technical support for all of our climate action plans. 1553 02:13:49,260 --> 02:13:51,660 It is a huge risk. 1554 02:13:53,020 --> 02:13:54,820 So that was in good news. 1555 02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:58,180 That's what I have. 1556 02:14:01,590 --> 02:14:02,070 I'll go ahead. 1557 02:14:03,490 --> 02:14:03,750 Yeah. 1558 02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:04,810 So the Coastal Commission. 1559 02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:06,450 Oh, yeah. 1560 02:14:06,970 --> 02:14:08,250 Meeting was interesting. 1561 02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:11,950 Thank you for those of you out in the audience who were there. 1562 02:14:11,950 --> 02:14:15,830 We got made a huge difference having us be there. 1563 02:14:16,090 --> 02:14:19,210 I think it made a difference to our community seeing us there. 1564 02:14:19,970 --> 02:14:23,550 I wasn't able to stay for the whole thing, but I certainly listened the whole way home. 1565 02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:25,570 And then when I got into the classroom, 1566 02:14:26,430 --> 02:14:30,310 listened with the students that I worked with my leadership program. 1567 02:14:30,690 --> 02:14:33,310 So yeah, there were some learning moments there, 1568 02:14:33,470 --> 02:14:37,270 as I was screaming my head off in the classroom. 1569 02:14:38,030 --> 02:14:46,710 But yeah, so I just felt good to represent our community for this whole entire time, right? 1570 02:14:46,830 --> 02:14:54,530 This whole time we've been talking about SDR, so I look forward to our conversation tomorrow night with planning. 1571 02:14:55,190 --> 02:14:59,850 Um, you know, I was just want to say a couple little things about Oz Pack. 1572 02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:12,880 Our open space and parkland advisory committee. For one, I want to thank Aaron who is the chair. He is doing a fantastic job. 1573 02:15:13,900 --> 02:15:21,580 You know, you put someone with a lot of energy in a leadership position and you just let him go and he's doing great. So, way to go, Aaron. 1574 02:15:21,580 --> 02:15:26,180 And I just want to thank them, they're doing some really great work, you know, they have 1575 02:15:26,180 --> 02:15:33,340 trail days, once a month, and they're doing a lot of youth involvement, which is wonderful. 1576 02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:37,760 They're going to do a program with the library, with stickers, and all kinds of things. 1577 02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:40,360 So they're doing some really innovative things in Auspax. 1578 02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:42,880 So it's fun to be there. 1579 02:15:43,300 --> 02:15:44,680 So, way to go. 1580 02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:53,800 And then I just want to remind everybody that we are a board member for Hope, which is healing overdose prevention education. 1581 02:15:54,660 --> 02:16:04,900 And we are having our memorial walk, our third memorial walk this weekend, Saturday at Valley Mars School from 10 o'clock to 3 o'clock. 1582 02:16:05,120 --> 02:16:10,860 It's a long event, but there's really great speakers and some educational components and resources. 1583 02:16:10,860 --> 02:16:15,580 and then they'll be a memorial walk-in down to the memorial gardens. 1584 02:16:16,260 --> 02:16:19,620 And back, so please join us. 1585 02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:26,780 It's really also empowering to do work with people who are grieving. 1586 02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:33,660 And I know from the experiences that my family had when we were grieving, 1587 02:16:33,740 --> 02:16:38,960 and we started doing work in prevention, so it's really good for me to be a part of that, 1588 02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:42,780 and kind of help them through that, 1589 02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:45,120 those pieces cause they can get very personal. 1590 02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:48,140 And so, come out and join us. 1591 02:16:48,220 --> 02:16:48,940 It's going to be great. 1592 02:16:51,130 --> 02:16:52,990 And thanks, Greg, for being there. 1593 02:16:53,650 --> 02:16:55,830 I'm happy to do it. 1594 02:16:56,750 --> 02:16:58,230 I've been doing a few things. 1595 02:16:58,310 --> 02:17:00,150 I've been working a little bit on the VLF thing, 1596 02:17:00,510 --> 02:17:03,270 both at the meeting we went to and quite a bit of work 1597 02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:04,270 behind the scenes. 1598 02:17:04,990 --> 02:17:08,390 I've done a little bit of reaching out to a lot of our state 1599 02:17:08,390 --> 02:17:13,850 representatives to work on some things I've been trying to work on a bunch of stuff with 1600 02:17:13,850 --> 02:17:22,110 PRC. I'm very much hoping that we get to make their dream come true at some point and through 1601 02:17:22,110 --> 02:17:28,230 a bunch of advocacy work in collaboration with some people at the county similar to what 1602 02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:34,530 some other sitting up here are doing. I hope that we see we can make a wish come true. That 1603 02:17:34,530 --> 02:17:42,330 would just be a very wonderful and inspirational thing, and that my number of other committees 1604 02:17:42,330 --> 02:17:50,110 and commissions as well doing that in advocacy, love the work that we've been doing 1605 02:17:50,110 --> 02:17:58,190 on BPank that that was fun in having some successes and to bring some stuff home. I was 1606 02:17:58,190 --> 02:18:04,170 very disappointed with the Coastal Commission hearing both from a process perspective and a 1607 02:18:04,170 --> 02:18:11,090 It was all its perspective, but I was really glad that we were there and that my were you 1608 02:18:11,090 --> 02:18:18,590 were online there supporting us behind the scenes I greatly appreciate that and it is a refreshing 1609 02:18:18,590 --> 02:18:26,470 change to get emails complimenting our extremely hard working staff when they do extremely 1610 02:18:26,470 --> 02:18:36,530 good work and it makes me very proud of our city and proud of our staff and proud to be 1611 02:18:36,530 --> 02:18:43,370 a pacific and we're lucky to have. That's about it. And I just want to thank 1612 02:18:43,370 --> 02:18:53,170 Sarah Coffee. Sarah is such an important person on council like I will say if we don't 1613 02:18:53,170 --> 02:19:00,230 need anybody. I think we need Sarah coffee. So you'll be the hero. And you are the hero 1614 02:19:00,230 --> 02:19:06,310 for all of us, Sarah. And I do appreciate you. I just want to say thank you to you. 1615 02:19:06,510 --> 02:19:06,950 Thank you. 1616 02:19:10,650 --> 02:19:17,690 I'm just going to make one other story Emily, you too. 1617 02:19:23,720 --> 02:19:27,020 It's hard not to just then start listing out everybody else's scene. 1618 02:19:27,320 --> 02:19:29,500 It's here in the room, what do you see you? 1619 02:19:31,220 --> 02:19:34,600 Just one other event that's coming up on August 30th, 1620 02:19:35,400 --> 02:19:40,200 the historical society is having a presentation, Pacificist peer, 1621 02:19:40,700 --> 02:19:41,540 history and celebration. 1622 02:19:43,100 --> 02:19:50,860 There's going to be food in the courtyard from between the church and the city buildings 1623 02:19:50,860 --> 02:19:57,340 from noon to 1.30, the chat is providing the food that you can purchase, and then from 1624 02:19:57,340 --> 02:20:05,340 2 to 3.30, there are displays and a program inside, the little brown church. I've met 1625 02:20:05,340 --> 02:20:15,420 this writer, who lives near Gopier, and who has a book of these beautiful stories. The name 1626 02:20:15,420 --> 02:20:20,140 is spell heaven, and a lot of them about the peer book. More than the structure, the 1627 02:20:20,140 --> 02:20:24,860 people that are there in the community that are there and she'll be doing a reading from her 1628 02:20:24,860 --> 02:20:31,800 beautiful book. And they'll also be paintings of the peer from different community members. 1629 02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:39,200 And I'm honored that the one I did as a goodbye present for Kevin will be hanging there too. 1630 02:20:39,820 --> 02:20:44,580 So I can't be there. I'm really sad to miss it, but it's the 30th. 1631 02:20:49,020 --> 02:20:58,380 I want to mention that I think not 100% sure, but a fair moon homeowner association is going 1632 02:20:58,380 --> 02:21:07,060 to donate some money for purification around the Child Care Center at Fairmoon. 1633 02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:12,280 It is kind 1634 02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:19,860 if they have extra income so they could help us to purify that area and they're considering 1635 02:21:19,860 --> 02:21:25,440 that. So hopefully we will have a nice little garden around that child care center. 1636 02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:28,900 And we're on the new bathroom. Yes, I'm excited to see that. 1637 02:21:30,950 --> 02:21:33,570 All right. City managers are open here. 1638 02:21:35,550 --> 02:21:41,230 Good evening. A couple of things Councilmember Espinoza's right. The two most important people in the 1639 02:21:41,230 --> 02:21:45,130 city structure are the clerk and the person who sends out the paychecks, 1640 02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:48,930 just as a friendly reminder, 1641 02:21:50,330 --> 02:21:54,150 the council and the Planning Commission have a joint study session tomorrow, at six, and 1642 02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:59,150 then the Planning Commission has a study session immediately, I'm sorry, a special meeting 1643 02:22:00,150 --> 02:22:11,010 with action items, immediately following that on the STR topic, and then we are also recruiting 1644 02:22:11,010 --> 02:22:15,810 for our committees and I just want to make sure I use this opportunity to let folks know 1645 02:22:15,810 --> 02:22:21,590 that we have two vacancies on the Climate Action and Resilience Committee, two positions 1646 02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:27,890 on the Economic Development Committee, two positions on the Emergency Preparedness and Safety 1647 02:22:27,890 --> 02:22:29,970 Commission and three positions. 1648 02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,360 Questions on the Library Advisory Committee and the application time frame is noon on September 4th, Friday, September 4th. 1649 02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:47,360 I need a short, do fine people. Is that September 4th? 1650 02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:48,020 the number four. 1651 02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:51,320 That's for the applications for people to put in their papers. 1652 02:22:51,560 --> 02:22:52,320 Oh, I. 1653 02:22:52,580 --> 02:22:53,580 And it's been posted. 1654 02:22:53,580 --> 02:22:55,600 The meeting hasn't been set yet. 1655 02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:56,300 No, right. 1656 02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:57,080 Sarah. 1657 02:22:58,380 --> 02:23:01,980 No, it depends on the number of applications that come in. 1658 02:23:02,260 --> 02:23:04,120 Sometimes if we don't have enough applications, 1659 02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:06,520 we'll extend by a week or two, 1660 02:23:06,580 --> 02:23:10,560 and that may be the case with the number of positions. 1661 02:23:11,220 --> 02:23:13,840 We are recruiting for a few youth positions, 1662 02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:16,400 particularly on the climate action 1663 02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:20,020 and resilience committee and also on the Library Advisory Committee. 1664 02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,700 I was asking about that. 1665 02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:24,620 Can you clarify our, like those, 1666 02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:27,720 because we have two youth on the Climate Advisory Committee now, 1667 02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:29,020 and those are yearly positions. 1668 02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:30,260 So it was the two positions. 1669 02:23:30,620 --> 02:23:34,860 The two positions on the Climate Action and Resilience Committee are for the, 1670 02:23:34,860 --> 02:23:38,420 the one year youth positions that are, 1671 02:23:38,420 --> 02:23:40,360 that are inspiring terms. 1672 02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:44,940 So for the Climate Action and Resilience Committee, 1673 02:23:44,940 --> 02:23:56,320 youth position is defined as youth ages between 14 and 25, so covering kind of college age 1674 02:23:56,320 --> 02:24:02,960 providing that one-year position so that they don't need to commit to a full four-year position. 1675 02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:09,960 And then one of the two on the library is a youth delivery advisory committee. There are two youth positions 1676 02:24:09,960 --> 02:24:16,880 on that one as well, and those are for one year terms that expire annually in October. 1677 02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:18,740 Okay, okay, great. 1678 02:24:19,140 --> 02:24:24,580 And for the Library Advisory Committee, the youth positions are defined as under the age of 18. 1679 02:24:28,500 --> 02:24:32,140 We're narrowly, it's not best practices, my understanding, 1680 02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:34,980 but since we're having a joint study session, 1681 02:24:34,980 --> 02:24:42,060 or should we leave after the study session or is it okay to stay and watch the planning 1682 02:24:42,060 --> 02:24:43,120 commission meeting? 1683 02:24:44,740 --> 02:24:51,220 The safest harbor would be to not be in the same room, with each other given that the 1684 02:24:51,220 --> 02:25:00,480 planning commission action may come before the city council for action, and if council members 1685 02:25:00,480 --> 02:25:07,080 So desire to stay in the room and listen, which would not be the safest harbor than to sit 1686 02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:08,340 as far apart as possible. 1687 02:25:08,980 --> 02:25:11,800 But there is no difference because it was a study session. 1688 02:25:11,900 --> 02:25:19,380 That was the distinction prior to it that I was looking for, but I hear you, I will follow 1689 02:25:19,380 --> 02:25:20,300 the best practice. 1690 02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:23,580 Okay. 1691 02:25:24,580 --> 02:25:27,900 With that, I'll adjourn our meeting at 9.46 PM. 1692 02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:28,920 Thank you, everybody. 1693 02:25:29,900 --> 02:25:30,680 Thank you. 1694 02:25:31,100 --> 02:25:32,660 I got to go find...