1 00:00:19,250 --> 00:00:22,230 I'd like to ask the city clerk to please take roll call. 2 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:50,420 Councilmember Espinosa. Here. Councilmember Beer. Here. Councilmember Beckmeyer. Present. Vice Mayor Wright. Present. And then the record will note that Mayor Bulls is absent tonight. We'll go through the roll call for planning commissioners. Commissioner Stan Chaz. Present. Commissioner Redfield. Present. Commissioner Ferguson. Here. Commissioner Davis. Here. 3 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:57,640 Here, Vice Chair Burman, here, Chair Hauser, present, and Commissioner Fisher is absent tonight. 4 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:09,360 And at this time, I would like to invite Samantha Hauser, the Chair of our Planning Commission, to please read our land acknowledgement. 5 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:11,100 Thank you, Mayor Proton. 6 00:01:11,860 --> 00:01:19,260 The City of Pacifica acknowledges that we occupy the unseated ancestral homeland of the Ramatosh Aloni peoples, 7 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:22,460 who are the original inhabitants of the San Francisco Peninsula. 8 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:27,000 We honor the Ramitosh Aloni peoples for their enduring commitment to Mother Earth. 9 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,660 As the indigenous protectors of this land and in accordance with their traditions, 10 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:34,980 the Ramitosh Aloni have never seated, lost, or forgotten their responsibilities 11 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:40,200 as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. 12 00:01:40,820 --> 00:01:45,700 We affirm their sovereign rights as first peoples and wish to pay our respects to the ancestors, 13 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:49,260 ministers, elders, and relatives of the Ramatoshaloni peoples. 14 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Thank you. 15 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:57,620 At this time, I'd like to invite Sue Beckmeyer to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. 16 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,740 Public 17 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,500 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 18 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:25,660 Public meetings are a limited public form, meaning that there are rules for 19 00:02:25,660 --> 00:02:28,000 commenting at these meetings. 20 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:35,700 Comments on non-agentized items must address comments on non-agentized items, 21 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:43,720 must address matters within the subject jurisdiction and do not fall into these categories. 22 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,580 The city will provide you with an initial warning to stay within the subject matter jurisdiction 23 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:51,000 of the city or on topic. 24 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:58,520 If a warning is not followed, the chair of the meeting will direct the city clerk to cut off the microphone. 25 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:05,800 And throughout this warning system, I will seek the assistance of the city attorney in identifying comments 26 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,960 not related to the agenda item and not within the subject jurisdiction of the city. 27 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:19,220 This is a special meeting and we have a very short amount of time, we have a one hour time limit. 28 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:25,620 It would be very helpful to me if we could have all the comment cards up at this time. 29 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:32,720 And at the time that I have the final yellow card, I will be asking for how many people are online 30 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,260 and would care to raise their hands to plan to make a comment. 31 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:50,860 So I can adjust accordingly in order to be able to make it so with all ten of us being here everybody will have sufficient time to ask our questions as well and get responses. 32 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:53,160 Thank you. 33 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,060 At 34 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:14,500 this point, I have 1, 2, 3, 7, 7 cards, and that's 21 minutes. 35 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,080 How many people are online and have signified they wish to come in? 36 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:23,520 In that case, it looks like we can afford the usual three minutes. 37 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:31,120 I will not be accepting any more cards or comments online, please know the one person. 38 00:04:31,180 --> 00:04:33,980 Vice mayor, right, we have two raised hands on the Zoom. 39 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:41,740 Okay, we still can afford that one in the amount of time that will allow us to have sufficient time for questions and deliberation. 40 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:51,380 First person I would like to call is Sam Cassias, followed by Stephanie Robbins and then Cindy Abbott. 41 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:54,570 Sorry, staff. Sorry. 42 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:59,350 I just want to make sure you want to take public comment before staff's presentation. 43 00:04:59,350 --> 00:05:05,950 You know what, I think in light of things, it would be a really good idea to have the staff report first. 44 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Thank you, Vice Mayor Wright and Good evening Council members, Chair Hauser and Planning Commissioners. 45 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,840 Samantha Updegrave, Community Development Director. 46 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:43,900 And we're here tonight for a joint study session to discuss the Coastal Commission's suggested modifications 47 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:47,160 to the city's STR ordinance. 48 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:50,140 Oops, 49 00:05:54,970 --> 00:05:58,930 just a second here to get my computer synced up. 50 00:06:00,090 --> 00:06:04,370 Great, so this evening we'll just briefly talk about touch on the meeting purpose. 51 00:06:04,580 --> 00:06:11,170 The 2025 short-term rental ordinance, the Coastal Commission modifications, the modification process, 52 00:06:11,630 --> 00:06:16,230 short-term rental permit renewals, short-term rental code provisions, 53 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:19,350 and are concluded with our legislative options. 54 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:37,000 So tonight, really the purpose is for staff to provide a presentation, for you all to hear from the community discuss options to inform upcoming planning commission and city council actions. 55 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:48,520 So this is a reminder, so STR, short term rentals, is the use of a dwelling unit or portion of it for rental of less than 30 consecutive days. 56 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:58,700 In 2025, the City Council adopted comprehensive updates to the STR ordinance that really struck 57 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:04,560 the balance between, it was the result of eight years of work, from the initial adoption 58 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,060 of STR regulations in 2018. 59 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:14,440 And it was really looking to strike the balance between the benefits of STRs and the impact 60 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,540 on surrounding residential uses. 61 00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:22,740 So currently that ordinance is effective in areas outside of the Coastal Zone in order 62 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:27,700 for it to become effective in the Coastal Zone requires certification of the Coastal 63 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:28,120 Commission. 64 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:35,900 And then just relevant to the issue at hand, which will dive into a little more is that 65 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:44,120 our STR permits are renewed annually on October, starting October 31st, so our renewal period 66 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:44,780 is October. 67 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:54,440 Just to kind of give a sense of the landscape, 55% of the cities permitted 68 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:03,460 STRs are in the coastal zone and 78% of those are on the hosted compared to 22% of 69 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:05,220 non-coastal STRs. 70 00:08:10,590 --> 00:08:16,070 So the Coastal Commission recommended two modifications 71 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:28,490 that they're August 12th hearing, remove the primary residency requirement and to replace the 69 max rentals for unhosted STRs with a 129 max. 72 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:42,230 So the process for modifications, so the Coastal Commission approved the amendments with the modifications I just mentioned. 73 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:48,210 And then the city may accept, agree, and adopt the modifications to the zoning text, 74 00:08:49,130 --> 00:08:53,090 which then requires going through the city's standard legislative process. 75 00:08:53,510 --> 00:09:00,410 So that's where we are right now, following that the Executive Director of the Coastal Commission 76 00:09:00,990 --> 00:09:07,910 would report out to the Coastal Commission at a hearing in order to adopt the modification. 77 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:14,570 If the Coastal Commission accepts it, then the zoning ordinance becomes effective in the coastal zones. 78 00:09:17,300 --> 00:09:22,460 So again, the STR permit renewal period is October 1st through the 31st. 79 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:38,260 So any modifications would need to be accepted and adopted by the city and certified by the Coastal Commission in October in order for the 2025 ordinance to apply to this coming round of STR permits. 80 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:55,920 We did hear from the Coastal Commission today, I believe at 5.08 p.m., that they do believe that they can bring adopted modifications to their October hearing, which is held the 7th through the 9th of October. 81 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,960 Could you say that one more time just so I can understand this? 82 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:06,920 The Coastal Commission said that they can likely bring adopted modifications to their October hearing. 83 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:08,260 Thank you. 84 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:18,630 Just in terms of the timeline, it's a very, very tight timeline. 85 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:28,190 And so in order to be successful, all of these stages have to be completed in order to 86 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:29,850 line up with the renewal process. 87 00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:33,890 So as noted, the Coastal Commission meaning is not guaranteed. 88 00:10:34,830 --> 00:10:40,450 However, we did hear from the Coastal Commission staff today that they believe they can get 89 00:10:40,450 --> 00:10:42,790 modifications to their October meeting. 90 00:10:48,020 --> 00:10:53,780 Just kind of a quick review of some of the highlights of the 2025 STR Ordnance Standards 91 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:02,060 other than, you know, the primary residency requirements, these highlights, some of the 92 00:11:02,060 --> 00:11:05,500 major changes that were part of the regulation. 93 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:32,880 So, those include having a responsible party to respond to complaints who's available 24-7 and able to respond in person within 30 minutes, requiring the SDR permit number on all our advertising, all the advertising platforms exterior signage, providing contact information for operator and the responsible party requirements for the hosted SDRs to have an operator on site overnight. 94 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:41,500 maximum occupancy of two renters per rented bedroom, established visitor hours from 8 to 10 p.m. 95 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,820 Prohibition on using outdoor pools, hot dubs and spas, between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. 96 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:56,660 requirements for noise monitors, one parking space per rental bedroom, for un-hosted rental nights, 97 00:11:56,660 --> 00:12:04,320 It's a two-night minimum stay, and then it was modified by the Coastal Commission 120 max rental nights. 98 00:12:05,060 --> 00:12:14,900 It also prohibits unhosted STRs in multi-family units, which includes duplex and single-family and attached single-family units. 99 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:24,460 Requires inspections for life safety and health and provides revocation provisions upon second violations of the ordinance. 100 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:29,260 So, there are three primary legislative options. 101 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:41,540 The first is to accept a green adopt the modifications as is, or to accept a green adopt the modifications 102 00:12:41,540 --> 00:12:48,100 only in the coastal zone, or to resubmit a revised ordinance to the Coastal Commission. 103 00:12:48,380 --> 00:12:51,620 So, I'll go into a little more detail on each of those. 104 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:58,560 And so the first option is to approve the modifications as is remove the primary residency 105 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:05,200 requirement and double the unhosted rental limit from 60 to 120 nights citywide. 106 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:11,940 The pros are that it adds those positive permit and operational standards from the 2025 107 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:14,360 ordinance and applies them citywide. 108 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,900 A con is that it removes the primary residency requirements and doubles the night of unhosted 109 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:29,540 STRs and so when we made this presentation the Coastal Commission hadn't gotten back 110 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:36,240 to us yet and so you know again you know it's very likely that we'll be able to get 111 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,820 to the October hearing based on what they've told us but it's still not guaranteed. 112 00:13:41,820 --> 00:14:07,560 Option 2 would be to approve the modifications in the coastal zone only, the positives would be that it adds the positive permit and operational standards from the ordinance while retaining protections for primary residency and the lower limit on on hosted nights outside of the coastal zone. 113 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:14,620 A con is that then you have stronger and stricter ordinance in the non-coastal zone and again 114 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:16,080 that would not affect the timing. 115 00:14:16,820 --> 00:14:24,880 We did hear from the Coastal Commission also at 508 PM today that they could still process 116 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,740 those modifications administratively. 117 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:35,370 The third option would be to consider additional amendments so to amend the STR ordinance, including 118 00:14:35,370 --> 00:14:42,010 including significant modifications to what the Coastal Commission has suggested that is in a manner to be determined. 119 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:48,410 The pros really depends on the specifics as determined through the city's legislative process. 120 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:59,970 Some cons are that it's not immediately evident what ordinance changes could preserve primary residency or the 69th limit on unhosted. 121 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,860 In the coastal zone, it's time and resource intensive for staff in the community and the council. And it delays the addition of those positive permit and operational standards from the 2025 ordinance. In terms of timing that could not occur before the renewal process, it's basically starting over with the new ordinance and it could extend that for up to another two cycles of permit renewals. And that concludes staff presentation. 122 00:15:29,860 --> 00:15:38,260 And I'm here along with City Manager Sean Sharpen's here and Assistant City Attorney Denise Buzano to answer any questions. 123 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:47,540 Thank you very much. At this time, I'd like to invite anybody from planning commission who has a question prior to public comment 124 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:53,580 or if they prefer to reserve their questions till after public comment, that's acceptable as well. 125 00:16:01,230 --> 00:16:03,870 I actually would like to ask a quick, please do. 126 00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:11,130 So, um, um, uh, Director Updegrave, if you could you go back to slide 14, please, 127 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:12,130 option two, 128 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,240 I may have misread it. 129 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:23,270 Okay, this is it, yes, slide 13, sorry. 130 00:16:24,370 --> 00:16:31,690 So, pros and cons, I'm trying to understand, what do you mean when you say it's a con 131 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:35,650 that we have stricter, stronger stricter ordinance in the non-coastal zone. 132 00:16:35,890 --> 00:16:40,990 Because my understanding is that with this option, that ordinance that is in place would remain. 133 00:16:41,410 --> 00:16:48,470 But why, if it's as we wrote it, in hearing from the public, why would you consider that a con? 134 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:52,410 What's a potential con? 135 00:16:54,850 --> 00:17:00,290 It would essentially have two separate standards, one outside of the coastal zone, 136 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:02,070 and one within the coastal zone. 137 00:17:03,250 --> 00:17:07,810 So again, it's a potential, not necessarily an absolute statement. 138 00:17:08,950 --> 00:17:09,710 Thank you. 139 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:13,930 Thank you, I think that was important to clarify that, thanks so much. 140 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:19,710 Well, and through the chair, the ordinance in the non- Coastal Zone would have more policy 141 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:23,330 levers for the city than those in the Coastal Zone. 142 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:25,090 Thank you. 143 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:26,730 Lauren? 144 00:17:27,030 --> 00:17:27,550 Lauren? 145 00:17:29,710 --> 00:17:57,530 I have just one. We got a lot of comments, and many of them are kind of about how it felt like the Coastal Commission was be exceeding their jurisdiction by talking about our whole city, but what I'm gleaning from this slide and from the five o'clock communication is that since the staff report was put out the Coastal Commission has contacted us and said that they recognize that the 146 00:17:57,530 --> 00:18:04,690 I recognize that those comments seem to be accurate and that we can have two separate orders. 147 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:08,690 I just want to make sure I'm understanding, that's a huge change. 148 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:13,250 And I want to make sure that not just me, but that everybody here understands the scope of that change. 149 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:15,010 Thank you, Chair Halzer. 150 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:16,510 That is a great question. 151 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:22,910 So we immediately reached out to Coastal Commission staff and asked the question. 152 00:18:22,910 --> 00:18:31,070 And you know, are these modifications, the way that they've been presented, they would apply citywide. 153 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:37,630 And our understanding is that the Coastal Commission's jurisdiction is within the Coastal zone. 154 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:50,410 I think because of the way our ordinance is written, we tend to have the same ordinance apply within Coastal and non-Costal, right? 155 00:18:50,410 --> 00:18:56,790 we go through this two-step, you know, second-step approval process. And so, you know, the way 156 00:18:56,790 --> 00:19:02,930 that they presented it in the staff report was just eliminating primary residency. There 157 00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:10,430 was no distinction. But they wouldn't have necessarily done that in our ordinance, right, 158 00:19:10,530 --> 00:19:16,750 because that is starting to really go, I think, far afield. And so we had reached out right 159 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:23,530 a way to ask that question, you know, one of our particular concerns was, you know, 160 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:30,470 if we change it from the verbatim, what they show in their report, will that knock us 161 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:36,310 out of that more administrative process where the executive director reports out, says, 162 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:40,830 yes, they've met the intent, you know, they've done what the commission says and have the 163 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:46,790 commission accepted. We didn't want to put something forward and then have them say, 164 00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:52,070 well, that actually needs to go back to a full hearing. And so they had been diligently 165 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:57,850 working on finding those answers, and weren't able to get them to us before the report, but 166 00:19:57,850 --> 00:20:01,450 they got them to us tonight. That's helpful, and I really appreciate 167 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:02,610 stopping so proactive. 168 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:09,660 Council member, back there. I will wait. Thank you so much. 169 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:10,620 Great, 170 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:14,480 fantastic. 171 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,260 Then at this time, I'd like to begin inviting public comment. 172 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,520 I'd like people to once again keep in mind that we only have to seven o'clock 173 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,460 when the next meeting starts, and I'm sure that there are a number of questions 174 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:32,360 from the people who reserved their questions, and then we're also going to need 175 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:33,440 to deliberate some. 176 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,320 So once again, starting with Sam followed by Stephanie Robbins and then Cindy Abbott, please. 177 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:39,980 Thank you. 178 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,900 Good afternoon, council members and commissioners. 179 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,980 First, I'd like a quick moment of silence, 180 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:51,180 because a true patriarch of country music 181 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:52,940 passed away today, Dolly Parton. 182 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,620 Don't take my time yet, this is for Dolly Parton. 183 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,400 Anyway, it's just wanted to acknowledge that, 184 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,680 because she was always a true advocate 185 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,180 of affordable housing. 186 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:02,480 So my name is Sam Cassius, 187 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,800 and I've been a resident for Pacific for 23 years. 188 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,100 In 2003, I was fortunate to buy my first home here, 189 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:10,360 a two bedroom, one bath bungalow with no garage, 190 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:11,900 and just two blocks from the beach. 191 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,040 I thought I had gone, I had gotten gone to heaven when a welcome committee knocked on my door, 192 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,040 handed me some homemade cookies and a little rose plant that I still have today. 193 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,760 A few years later, I got married to my wonderful wife Andrea and over the next 10 years, 194 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,040 we saved to either renovate our place or find a new place. 195 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:34,640 We're lucky enough that just a few doors down we found a rundown place and over the next eight years, 196 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,880 we built a new home. 197 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:42,420 A person who has multiple Airbnb's in our neighborhood wanted to buy our old place from 198 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:48,180 us, all cash at a premium price where no regular family could compete at that price level. 199 00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:53,140 We did not sell, and in our old age, we will return to this place. 200 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,680 So in the meantime, we would rent it to someone who needed a place to live because Pacifica 201 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,340 is already a hard place to find safe, affordable housing. 202 00:22:02,140 --> 00:22:06,900 He asked why we wouldn't just Airbnb and make more than double the rent. 203 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,740 Some of these places offer nightly rates of 2,500, so let's stop the nonsense that these 204 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:17,720 places are adding more access to the coast for regular and disadvantaged classes. 205 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,360 And also, let's stop and be clear that the unhosted STR owners are motivated by one thing and 206 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:25,800 one thing only, profit. 207 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:31,980 it. We wouldn't sell because these STRs are tearing our neighborhood apart. The corporate 208 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:36,420 owners ignore our concerns of criminal activity because the owners don't live here, we do. 209 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,940 Because of our budget restraints, these corporate owners know there is little to no enforcement 210 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:46,700 which also needs to end. They hire fancy lawyers to meet with the California Coles Commission 211 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:52,080 and have the Coles Commission now say our ordinance is legally flawed. You had just down the 212 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,400 highway in half one bay, they have pretty much the same ordinance we advocated for. 213 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,800 But Pacific is not good enough for that same ordinance. 214 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,600 The bigger issue reveals the big lie of how they supposedly bring revenue to our city 215 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080 and provide access to the coast out of the goodness of their hearts. 216 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,120 In reality, these unhosted STRs are taking homes away from prospective families who just want 217 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,720 it to live in a good, safe community where they know their neighbors. 218 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,400 By taking these homes out of the housing stock, STRs have created a school crisis in Pacifica. 219 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:36,340 Pacifica just closed, ocean shore elementary and Valemar middle school because the state cuts are school funding due to the decrease in enrollment, which the STRs are directly responsible for. 220 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:44,980 We need to take bold action before our city becomes a desert of hotel rooms with no families and no schools. 221 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:45,880 Thank you. 222 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:52,440 Thank you, Sam. Last name, Robbins? I'm sorry if I got your first name wrong. 223 00:23:53,620 --> 00:24:01,400 I think you got it, right? It's Stephanie. So I want to just thank the council members 224 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,580 and city staff and management who went to the Coastal Commission meeting. I was very 225 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:14,180 proud to be part of Pacific Eye. I felt very well represented. I come today to speak 226 00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:20,780 to council planning and staff and management to really urge you to go with option number 227 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:30,640 two and have the ordinance that has already been set and put in in the non- Coastal Zone 228 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,420 leave that alone. It's settled. We spent eight years getting here. I'm exhausted. I'm sure 229 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:43,040 you are too. And go ahead and go with the modifications from the Coastal Commission into the Coastal 230 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:49,960 zone and let's ratify that. Let's get it done by October through October before the permits 231 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,960 renew. If you look at the majority of coastal towns throughout California that have STR ordinances, 232 00:24:57,220 --> 00:25:01,400 they have two, they have a coastal zone ordinance, and they have a non-coastal zone ordinance. 233 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,520 It's extremely common to have two because of the coastal zone's requirements. And so I just 234 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,220 I just want to urge you, we spent a lot of time working together. 235 00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:17,640 You had a lot of the citizens like myself come out and tell you how things have affected us. 236 00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:32,040 I think we came to a very good conclusion, and so I just want to urge you to go ahead and ratify it as with the two modifications from the Coastal Commission in the Coastal Zone only and leave the non-Costal Zone alone. Thank you. 237 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,820 Thank you Cindy Abbott followed by Bob O'Donnell and then Gary. 238 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:40,960 Good evening 239 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:48,340 Cindy Abbott we've been on a long journey together. Walking over here I was 240 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:56,760 thinking of other long journeys. The Hobbit Trilogy is 474 minutes long. Lord of 241 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:03,680 the Rings extended cuts 682 minutes. Then I thought I have to throw in the 242 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,740 Odyssey because that sort of feels like where we are right now. 172 minutes. That comes 243 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:15,060 to 22 hours of journeys and audices. 244 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:21,240 I think we've been together longer on this over the 245 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:28,220 past four intense years that we've been working on this. So at this point on the journey though 246 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:34,540 isn't a time to fall back. We need to keep moving forward and doing it together. And we can't give 247 00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:41,860 up anything that was one so long, you know, for a year we've heard the great stories of families 248 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:47,960 that, you know, coming back into houses outside of the coastal zone. It's a real success story 249 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:57,660 for Pacifica, for our neighborhoods and our residential areas. So, unfortunately, we need to go 250 00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:00,680 Go ahead with two sub-subruals within the same ordinance. 251 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:07,180 We provided information about how to really easily do that in just a few sections of 252 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:08,900 the ordinance and resolution. 253 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:16,200 So tonight, let's retain all of those provisions outside of the coastal zone, implement the two 254 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,600 unfortunate changes for the coastal zone itself because sometimes the path on a journey 255 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,940 is not clear, but tonight it is, and that's option two. 256 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,260 Thank you. 257 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:34,800 Bob O'Donnell, followed by Gary, followed by Brian Renell. 258 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:41,910 City Council members and planning commissioners, it looks like old friends. 259 00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:46,550 We've been here before, over four years, we've tried to change the ordinance and 260 00:27:46,550 --> 00:27:52,470 we did very successfully complete that process last October and the new ordinance went into effect. 261 00:27:52,470 --> 00:28:00,970 In fact, unfortunately, the Coastal Commission has thrown a rinse into this and we have no control over the coastal area, but we do over the non- Coastal area. 262 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:18,990 And so I'm urging you both the commissioners on the council to either adopt number two as a possibility or create new language that guarantees the non- Coastal areas will be protected with the current ordinance and all of those will continue to be in place. 263 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:24,510 Again, we have no control over the non-coastal area, but we worked hard and long for 264 00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:29,990 four years, really, to create this new ordinance, and it really has potential to change our neighborhoods. 265 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:32,390 It's really important that we protect that. 266 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:37,250 But what we can, and what's out of our control, we'll just have to probably accept. 267 00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:44,550 But please find a way to protect the non-coastal area and let our ordinance continue to be in effect there. 268 00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:45,590 Thank you. 269 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:46,790 Thank you. 270 00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:47,770 Thank you. 271 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:51,150 Gary followed by Brian and then Michael Walman. 272 00:28:56,490 --> 00:28:57,110 Good evening. 273 00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:58,810 My name is Gary Trinke. 274 00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:00,330 I live on Aspen Drive. 275 00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:06,850 And I urge you to please consider and adopt option two. 276 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:13,390 We had a Airbnb SDR up the street from us. 277 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:18,170 And after the ordinance passed last year, it was sold. 278 00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:24,370 And since it's been sold, we haven't had one incident of anybody urinating off the 279 00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:25,430 porch. 280 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:33,130 We haven't had any loud music or loud birthday parties that go into the 1 and 2 a.m. 281 00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:39,370 And a regular family is living there and once again it's a normal neighborhood. 282 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:48,110 So please review what you've done and how it's the positive effects it's had on our 283 00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:59,930 our local houses and adopt option two, and I wish the Coastal Commission would go with option two, would go with the same ordinance. 284 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:12,720 We had, but I don't think that's going to be possible. So once again, thank you, and thank you for your consideration. Thank you. Brian, followed by Michael, followed by Lila. Renaro, please. 285 00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:32,210 Vice mayor, right council members and commission commissioners. My name is Brian Renaro from Pedro Point. I just want to make a point that I do also greatly appreciate the effort on the city, the city manager and staff in last August 12th in the presentation to the Coastal Commission. 286 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:37,450 I've never had so much fun in a conference hall since Star Trek Convention 91. 287 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:46,990 I am urging you tonight to preserve the primary residence requirement in the 60-day cap that is currently in effect in the non- Coastal Zone. 288 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:54,550 Council members and planning commissioners to please preserve the primary residence requirement, excuse me, pardon me, lost my place here. 289 00:30:54,550 --> 00:31:00,610 While I'm profoundly unhappy with the California Coastal Commission's decision to deny these 290 00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:05,290 important protections to the Pacificans in the coastal zone, there's absolutely no 291 00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:10,950 reason to deny these important protections to the folks in the non-coastal zone. 292 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:15,990 They've had these protections for a year now and to strip them would be actually a rollback 293 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:19,490 of the policies that we all work so hard to put in place. 294 00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:24,190 The Coastal Commission, as you're aware, has no jurisdiction in the non- Coastal Zone and 295 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:29,730 Pacifica's implementation of ordinance number 901 CS is final and enforceable immediately 296 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:32,010 unless it's taken away this evening. 297 00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:38,030 We in the Coastal Zone still have a long journey ahead of us, but our inland neighbors that 298 00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:40,850 have stood shoulder to shoulder with us deserve these protections. 299 00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:48,450 Remember that Pacifica is burdened with an unfair inflated and unfunded arena allocation 300 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,230 that forces us to build over 2,000 new homes. 301 00:31:51,890 --> 00:32:01,710 Without the primary residence requirement in the 68 cap, there will be little to no mechanisms to prevent these new homes from becoming full-time, un-hosted STRs. 302 00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:07,150 Imagine just a few years from now, when we will have lost Boy Scout, a.k.a. 303 00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:16,010 San Pedro Mountain, and replaced with rows of luxury party houses all to the benefit and profit of out-of-town corporate STR operations. 304 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:20,910 questions. Please hold the line, protect our inland residents and preserve the integrity of 305 00:32:20,910 --> 00:32:25,030 our housing and neighbourhoods by keeping the original ordinance intact outside of the 306 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:27,710 coastal zone. Thank you very much. Thank you. 307 00:32:29,170 --> 00:32:37,050 Michael followed by Lila Renaro and then Margo. Vice mayor, council members, commissioners, 308 00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:45,130 city staff, city minister, my, my, my, my, uh, district two. Um, so I would tend to think 309 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:48,870 I think that having one ordinance for the entire city would be the most straightforward, 310 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:53,250 simplistic, administratively, to both create policy for and enforce. 311 00:32:54,170 --> 00:33:01,270 We do know that we have a budget crisis of the maybe unpopular opinion that doubling the number of days 312 00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:04,750 hopefully also doubles the amount of revenue from the STRs. 313 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:12,570 Furthermore, having that extra income also from the non-costal zone could probably be useful for the city. 314 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:20,370 I'd advocate that we don't create a divided situation where the pros and cons depend on if you're a coastal or not. 315 00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:28,630 Let's see the numbers, how much of a difference does this mandate from the Coast Commission increase our revenues? 316 00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:34,830 And then make a determination of how much would we leave on the table if we don't adopt the same in the other area? 317 00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:35,310 Thank you. 318 00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:37,010 Thank you. 319 00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:41,590 Landlord Renaro followed by Margot and followed by Greg. 320 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,720 Good evening, everyone. 321 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:59,360 Thanks again to all of you for your efforts at the Coastal Commission meeting earlier this month. 322 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,660 I've already said just about everything I think needs to be said about tonight's topic, so 323 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:06,940 I'll save some time and try not to repeat myself too much. 324 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,720 Of the three options presented tonight, option two sounds like the best of the three to me. 325 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:17,160 It's not perfect, but I think it's the best solution to have one ordinance that clearly 326 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,520 addresses the difference between the Coastal Zone and the rest of Pacifica rather than 327 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,920 creating two separate ordinances. 328 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,360 I would be absolutely overjoyed if there's a way to get Pacifica's ordinance approved 329 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,500 by the Coastal Commission as it was submitted while preserving those existing protections. 330 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,500 There's still a tiny part of me that apparently is unsinnical enough to believe that maybe 331 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,780 the Coastal Commission simply got themselves a little tripped up when that messy decision 332 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:44,800 came down on August 12th. Maybe there's a way to untangle this that we haven't found yet, 333 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:51,980 and I really hope that there is. My father would have turned 90 today, and today we also lost 334 00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:57,240 Dolly Parton. Both are people that I looked to when I need guidance. I sometimes ask myself, 335 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:03,160 what would Frank do? What would Dolly do? I think the answer from both of them would be the same. 336 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:09,300 Do the right thing and fight like hell to get it done. So tonight I'm asking you to find that 337 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,460 That solution I would be overjoyed if we could leave here knowing Pacifica has found 338 00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:17,000 a way forward that gets our ordinance approved while protecting the people who would otherwise 339 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,040 lose those protections. 340 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:18,980 Thank you. 341 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,740 Thank you. 342 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,640 Margot Meiman followed by Greg Hirsch. 343 00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:31,470 Good evening, city council members and planning commissioners. 344 00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:35,770 Margot Meiman, resident of the coastal zone for 21 years. 345 00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:45,570 Thank you for your many hours of work on short-term rental ordinances, I guess, Plural now over the past several years. 346 00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:55,110 As you know, the Coastal Commission's August 12th hearing is behind us, and we have received their suggestions for Pacifica's STR ordinates in the Coastal Zone. 347 00:35:55,550 --> 00:36:05,170 I was alarmed to learn that the Pacifica City staff after working so tirelessly to make our case to the Coastal Commission regarding requirements 348 00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:11,970 for primary residents and the 69th cap on unhosted nights have now suggested that the 349 00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:17,850 suggested the removal and increase of these requirements for locations outside the coastal zone. 350 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:23,010 Staff makes no justification for this change, the fact that the Coastal Commission has 351 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:29,190 suggested these modifications for properties within the coastal zone does not imply that 352 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:31,950 these changes should apply east of Highway 1. 353 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:59,190 Several coastal cities have dual SDR ordinances including Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach, so it's not without President at all for a municipality to have multiple distinct ordinances, so please choose option to adopt the coastal commission's unfortunate modifications for the coastal zone, but do not alter the ordinance that was implemented in October 2025 for the rest of the city. Thank you. 354 00:36:59,770 --> 00:37:04,150 Thank you, and final in-person speaker is Greg Ursh? 355 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,980 Hi, I want to also thank you for all the work you've done in this. 356 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:20,220 I kind of got into this late but I ended up watching the CCC meeting while I was working. 357 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,240 I thought it would be like maybe a 45-minute presentation when hour after hour. 358 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,240 And I thought it would end well, it looks like we're going to win this thing. 359 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:44,120 They had some comments by people, and then somebody through this monkey ranch had a couple people with all these crazy additions, which were didn't make absolutely no sense on the city manager to kind of go ahead and just say was that OK. 360 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,560 And he said I've never seen anything like this in my life. 361 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:53,320 But anyway, when they had a vote, I'm not convinced that the people even knew what they were voting on. 362 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,900 There was some confusion afterwards. 363 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:03,900 One woman asked, well, can we vote on the motion between the city and between the recommendation 364 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,900 and the city and she was informed, well, we already voted on that. 365 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,240 So I don't know if there's any way to address this and you know, maybe ask them, do you guys 366 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,360 actually understand what you voted on? 367 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,720 And the other comment I had is, they made a big thing about, well, there's only 150 out 368 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,620 of like 15,000 residences. 369 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,760 And I don't know if they grasp what Pacific Coastal Zone is. 370 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,680 This is this little strip east west of the highway, 371 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,000 which is mainly West Sharpe Park and Pedro Point. 372 00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:38,700 And I can guarantee you, we have way more than 5%, 373 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,580 way more than 1% on Pedro Point. 374 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,260 I think we have maybe 5%, you guys could probably 10%. 375 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:50,460 Okay, yeah, it's this basically turned into a hotel zone. 376 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:55,320 So, anything that can be done to try to rectify the decision which I don't know was really 377 00:38:55,940 --> 00:39:00,960 made with the way they wanted it would be greatly appreciated. 378 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:01,860 Thank you very much. 379 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,700 Thank you. 380 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:09,200 And at this time I'd like to ask how we still only have the two ends on line. 381 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,320 A third hand has been raised. 382 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,480 You have three hands raised? 383 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:14,740 Three. 384 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,420 Okay. 385 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,700 Can we start with the first one, please? 386 00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:22,300 our first caller is Caitlin Quinn. I've unmuted you and you need to and I 387 00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:26,620 allowed you to unmute yourself. Thank you. Can you hear me? 388 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:31,610 Okay. Hi. I'm Vice Mayor 389 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:35,890 Wright, Council Members and our steam members of the Planning Commission. 390 00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:40,470 Lovely to see you all. I'm so sorry that I'm not there in person. I have a bad case 391 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:45,070 of COVID that was on the mend and then I had a relapse as of yesterday so trust me 392 00:39:45,070 --> 00:39:46,290 Nobody wants me in this room. 393 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:52,330 I am so, so relieved to see option two up on that slide. 394 00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:55,490 And to hear from Samantha up to grave 395 00:39:55,490 --> 00:40:00,630 that the Coastal Commission's staff seems to be implying 396 00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:04,550 that they can work with making those modifications. 397 00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:10,110 So all of our folks east of the one in an area 398 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:13,610 over which the Coastal Commission does not have jurisdiction, 399 00:40:13,610 --> 00:40:21,250 direction does not lose those hard earned rights to primary residents and the 69 total 400 00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:28,970 max for unhosted. Super excited about that. Really want to encourage everybody to go 401 00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:34,190 in that direction. I think it's the only fair thing. I don't think we should be handing 402 00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:40,990 the Coastal Commission any more power than it already has. And I just want to say I 403 00:40:40,990 --> 00:41:10,930 I love Cindy Abbott's comments about Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and the Odyssey because I have just been thinking in terms of the Odyssey, you know, there's that whole struggle with the threshold that Odysseus has, these 10 years trying to get home, fighting one-eyed monsters and battling off horny goddesses and only to get home to find out that his household is being taken over by these suitors who are eating up all his resources and trying to 404 00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:14,250 when his queen over and I'm like, yeah, we don't have suitors. 405 00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:16,150 Here we are at the threshold. 406 00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:17,710 We got the Coastal Commission. 407 00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:24,230 But this is a struggle at the threshold and we will get through it and I know we've 408 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:31,090 still got a lot of work to do getting the primary residents in the 69 cap back for the Coastal 409 00:41:31,090 --> 00:41:31,450 Zone. 410 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:39,010 I get that that is a fight for another day and I just want to thank you all staff and 411 00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:43,910 commissioners and council members for the incredibly hard work that you've 412 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:51,790 all already put in and to echo Lila, Renaro and Stephanie, Robyn's super super 413 00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:57,480 proud of Pacifica at that meeting and how we all you all showed up for us and 414 00:41:57,970 --> 00:42:01,610 just super grateful to you all and I'm gonna stop talking because I have COVID 415 00:42:01,610 --> 00:42:02,530 Thank you. 416 00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:04,810 Thank you. 417 00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:08,110 Our next caller is Tor Nielins. 418 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,380 Good evening. 419 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:12,120 Can you hear me? 420 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:13,220 Yes. 421 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:14,500 Great. 422 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:15,300 Thank you so much. 423 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:16,400 Good evening. 424 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,720 My name is Tor Nielins. 425 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,360 My wife and I have lived on Grand Avenue and pictorial point for 19 years. 426 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:26,400 The two long didn't listen version of this is that we strongly support option number two. 427 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,220 I'll try and impact that a little bit. 428 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,680 But first, I'd like to thank everyone who represented Pacifica before the Coastal Commission. 429 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,340 We strongly supported the ordinance that our city adopted, including its primary residents 430 00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:42,660 requirement and 69th limit on unhosted rentals, and we are disappointed that the Coastal Commission 431 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:47,840 removed the residency requirement and increased the limit to 129th in the coastal zone, and 432 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,940 I'm totally agree with Greg Hirsch's comments about the whole, the zardness of the process. 433 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,580 Nevertheless, tonight we urge you to move the modified ordinance forward. 434 00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:02,360 City staff has explained that accepting these modifications is the way to apply the ordinance 435 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,960 and the coastal zone for the coming permit year. 436 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,500 Residents do not lose another year's benefit 437 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,300 of the protections that survive simply 438 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,420 because the coastal commission gave us less 439 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:12,680 than what our community wanted. 440 00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:15,140 These protections mattered us personally. 441 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,200 We've experienced increased traffic and noise 442 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,120 from nearby un-hosted STRs. 443 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:20,920 Visitors trespassing through our property 444 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,680 while trying to reach federal plain headslands, 445 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,580 and an incident in which vestiment 446 00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:26,180 un-hosted STR down the street 447 00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:28,460 and preparing to set off illegal fireworks 448 00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:30,020 immediately next to our homes, 449 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,100 and adjacent to the extremely dry coastal 450 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,440 of education around the 4th of July, we can. 451 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,120 Fortunately, I was home and stopped them before they 452 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,980 accounted for fireworks. 453 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:40,960 There was no host present to you so. 454 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:43,980 In fact, the certificate of the original ordinance was already 455 00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:45,700 a significant compromise for us. 456 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,820 We prefer not to have the whole House commercial short term 457 00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:50,940 rentals and residential neighborhoods at all. 458 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,540 But we support through the home sharing through hosted 459 00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:56,900 SDRs, together with limited allowance, rent hosted rentals. 460 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,500 So as you proceed, we ask for three things. 461 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:04,040 First, please move the modified word and that's forward now so that the remaining protections 462 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,040 can take effect for the coming permit here. 463 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,740 Second, please make absolutely certain that the Coastal Commission's modifications apply 464 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:15,940 only to the Coastal Zone, preserving the primary resident requirement and 69th limit already 465 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:22,320 effect elsewhere in Pacific that you all, and we work so hard over the past eight years 466 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,240 to develop and implement. 467 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,580 And third, accepting the Coastal Commission's modifications does not require Pacific 468 00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:30,440 to endorse the missed good policy. 469 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:33,300 After eight years of public buses are city decided 470 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,560 that primary residency in a 69th limit 471 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,340 represented the better balance. 472 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,120 Please preserve that position 473 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,440 and continue working towards restoring those protections 474 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,120 within the costable zone. 475 00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:46,480 So I take if we go with option two, 476 00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:49,340 that release the key check week gives us the most options 477 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:52,160 as we move forward looking down the road 478 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,220 and will not be as likely to lock us into something 479 00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:56,780 that would be harder to change later 480 00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:58,480 if you want or need to. 481 00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:59,860 Thank you very much for this. 482 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,200 All of your comments and comments on all of your hard work. Thank you, and our final speaker. Our final speaker is Remy Tan. 483 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:32,310 Remy, you need to unmute yourself. Hello, this is Remy Tan, resident in architect over at the Pacific Manor, Edgemark. I urge the planning commission and the city council to adopt, I guess, what I'm hearing is option two, just keeping the current ordinance basically east of 484 00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:42,530 Highway 1 and making the Coastal Commission request modifications to the west of Highway 1 and the Coastal Commission jurisdiction. 485 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:57,490 I appreciate all the hard work that this City Council, past City Councils and staff have done over 4 to 8 years to get the ordinance where it is, so let's not throw that out. 486 00:45:59,850 --> 00:46:06,190 and, you know, goes kind of this compromise for things, the best things. So, still have 487 00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:12,210 the protections. For most of the city, which is east of everyone, and then, you know, 488 00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:18,630 we have the modifications of that protection by the Coast Commission to the west of one. 489 00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:23,250 And we can come back and, you know, peel that on another day, but, you know, we have this 490 00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:32,310 October, I guess deadline coming up to renew, you know, the SDRs. So we want to make 491 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:37,150 sure we have more than it's that they can renew and that's enforceable. It sounds 492 00:46:37,150 --> 00:46:42,290 like the audience is working based on testimony from, you know, other other 493 00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:49,270 residents that heard this evening. So again, urge the client question in the 494 00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:52,930 to approve this option too. Thank you. 495 00:46:54,270 --> 00:47:01,790 Thank you. And at this point, I'd like to close public comment and bring it back to our joint study session. 496 00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:07,290 I'd like to apologize to the planning commission for how long it went on. 497 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:16,050 It seems that according to the clock, we only have 10 minutes. We're probably going to go into some of their time a little bit in order to have a sufficiently thorough discussion. 498 00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:29,250 But I'd like to go through a similar process as earlier and go one at a time, but I'd like to alternate between planning commission and council, if that's all right with everyone in Becky, would you care to start us off? 499 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:32,420 I just have a question. 500 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:46,700 These two ordinances, are they tied together, could we leave, or I don't, and I'm apologizing kind of learning a lot of this stuff, but could we leave the primary residence requirement? 501 00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:52,060 but then, can we do them separate, can we change them? 502 00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:55,440 Staff, would you care to comment? 503 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,280 I'm sorry, Commissioner Sanchez was the question 504 00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,140 whether we could leave primary residency 505 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,200 in for all of the city or just in the non-costal zone? 506 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:15,180 In the coastal zone, or all of the city, 507 00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:19,800 Are these two things tied together or could we evaluate them separately? 508 00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:21,940 Yeah, that's a great question, thank you. 509 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:31,700 So in terms of the Coastal Commission voted to remove the primary residency requirement. 510 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:42,440 And so that would be one of the modifications that the city would need to accept if it wanted to move forward 511 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,720 with the modification if and and they have shared that that can be kind of 512 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,620 bifurcated between we can leave the primary residency requirement in the 513 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:59,220 non-costal zones and remove it from the coastal zone and that would meet what 514 00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:05,620 they intended if we wanted to retain primary residency also within the coastal 515 00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:10,820 zone then we would need to come back with a different ordinance so it would it 516 00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:12,820 basically be almost like starting over. 517 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:15,940 Thank you. 518 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:20,360 Next, Sue Beckmeier, would you do you have a question? 519 00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:27,020 No, I don't have a question, I just have a comment. 520 00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:29,480 Well, yeah, I guess it is a question. 521 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:42,000 We received a public comment, a suggestion that we not accept in wholesale the statements the 522 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:54,880 The Coastal Commission makes in, I think in the resolution where they specifically state that they have a finding that allowing un-hosted rentals for 120 nights per year. 523 00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:06,860 It preserves the unique qualities of residential neighborhoods that those are the Coastal Commission's language in their findings. 524 00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:14,280 and the question in public comment was can we strike that? I mean they didn't directly 525 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:21,840 say that but that's what they asked is that is it possible because it's then the contention 526 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:29,460 of many in this room and throughout that it actually harms the unique qualities of the 527 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:35,940 residential neighborhoods. Thank you councilmember Beckmeyer. The city council could or the 528 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:44,660 The Planning Commission could remove that recital from the resolution, the council could remove that recital from the ordinance. 529 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:54,180 I do believe that was in the original, a recital in the original ordinance referencing the 60-day limit. 530 00:50:54,900 --> 00:51:04,180 If you recall, our prior ordinance had no limit, what didn't even differentiate between hosted and un-hosted and had no limit. 531 00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:26,040 And so that was a finding that the city had made based on the 69th, so it's really up to the planning commission and the city council as to whether you feel that still applies, whether it's 16th or 120 nights. 532 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,260 Thank you. 533 00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:28,520 Thank you. 534 00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:29,520 Commissioner Ferguson. 535 00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:32,680 A question for you. 536 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,080 Would you like, this is one big pontification, or you want comments? 537 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,720 Questions? 538 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,800 How are we going to tackle this? 539 00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:39,540 I have a lot to say. 540 00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:42,660 I would love to have one question. 541 00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:47,420 I'd like to make sure that everybody has a chance to get at least in one question 542 00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:49,200 because we have limited time together. 543 00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:51,640 I'll pose my comments as a question. 544 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,840 So, I was not in favor of the way that we tackled this in the first place. 545 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:02,600 I thought we should have had neighbourhood by neighbourhood quotas because there is, by far, an undue pressure on West Sharp Park, Pedro Point. 546 00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:05,660 I live in West Sharp Park, have for a long time. 547 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:14,380 I know a lot of us here don't live in the coastal zone, but 55% of the units being in a neighbourhood that's way less than 25% of the city. 548 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:25,820 If we adopt what I think everyone here is in favor of adopting, I do believe that it creates an economic incentive to move all short-term rentals to the coastal zone. 549 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:43,280 Without having some sort of area by area limit, you have in the city 98 units on the waterfrontage, which many are multifamily and not eligible, you could have every single one of them go to an un-hosted short term rental with 120 nights a year. 550 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:53,600 I believe that's very economically viable, quick average of what they're charging for night in a small home is it comes out to 90 to $100,000 per year. 551 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:59,900 If you look at Zillow rentals in Pacifica, that's well more than you're going to achieve by renting this home to a family. 552 00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:09,000 Also, think in addition, you are going to lose more housing than we have approved in my entire five years on the Planning Commission through the adoption of this. 553 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:20,940 So while in favor of putting in and sustaining the protections we've given to the area least affected by this, I think that if we really create a bifurcated system here, 554 00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:26,580 You are adding fuel to an already bad problem for my neighborhood in particular. 555 00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:30,480 And I have a bunch of comments and questions, but I'll leave it at that. 556 00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:33,340 Thank you, Mayera. 557 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,140 Actually, well, what questions do I have? 558 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:38,780 We already been through all of this. 559 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:49,900 And my concern about everything, I would like to keep the residency, 560 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:57,420 residency, residency. It is important to me because we want to preserve the homes that 561 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:05,580 we have for the people who live in working in Pacifica. And allowing, removing the residency 562 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:12,080 is, I believe that we are opening the door to investor to come here and take all of our 563 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:21,240 homes and have our community turn into hotels, which I believe when we buy a house, we 564 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,320 are supposed to peacefully enjoy it. 565 00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:26,140 Thank you. 566 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:32,600 Just as a reminder, this is the time for questions and deliberation will come later. 567 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,280 We're even on that. 568 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,180 So Chris, thank you, Vice Mayor. 569 00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:45,820 question for staff, I'm very curious between the February Coastal Commission 570 00:54:45,820 --> 00:54:52,280 apparent approval back then in the August reversal, what if any reasons were 571 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,960 communicated to city staff on their reversal of their previous approval 572 00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:04,880 essentially without question? So what was the, if any, what were any reasons given 573 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,780 for their change of heart. 574 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,100 Thank you Commissioner Redfield. 575 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:17,380 The Coastal Commission staff decided to continue 576 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,880 the item from the February meeting 577 00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:27,060 as a result of the public comments that they received. 578 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,880 They had shared that the primary residency requirement 579 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:42,800 You know, was something that was challenged within those public comments and something that they were looking at. 580 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:56,100 We hadn't heard anything about the 60-day maximum until about a week before the August hearing or about a week before the staff report came out on the August hearing. 581 00:55:56,100 --> 00:56:01,620 So we didn't have really a lot of communication about that. 582 00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:14,030 And I think the, you know, the reasons for the primary residency, you know, that we 583 00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:20,830 did discuss after the staff report came out, and the, you know, it was in their analysis 584 00:56:20,830 --> 00:56:33,530 this that combination of the citywide 150 cap are more limited hotel stock and the 585 00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:38,830 69th limitation and kind of all the other regulations. 586 00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:46,350 So it was really for them the accumulation of those things with the primary residency 587 00:56:46,350 --> 00:56:53,170 in the 69th stay kind of being the things that pushed it over the edge. 588 00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:59,690 So would it be fair to say that the city was blindsided in that short notice on the 589 00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:09,470 60 day thing, with the very short time as was reiterated in the meeting, very little 590 00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:12,110 time for staff to react to that, you know. 591 00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:14,590 It was certainly unexpected. 592 00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:26,050 Yeah, Sarah, can you pull up the slide that shows the protections that are in place right 593 00:57:26,050 --> 00:57:28,210 now in the non-costal zone? 594 00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:32,790 And I just want to like to reiterate something, so I'm just going to ask the question. 595 00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:36,250 I think it's the one that, yeah, that has all the lists, this one. 596 00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:45,790 So my question is, if we were to, my phone's listening to me right now, so freaky. 597 00:57:47,230 --> 00:57:55,710 So if we were to accept option two, then all of these protections would be in place 598 00:57:56,310 --> 00:58:05,470 in the coastal zone, including the multi-family unit and duplexes, which is very, very important 599 00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:15,750 to me. That is correct. These are the if everything falls into place and it's we adopt 600 00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:18,370 an ordinance and certified by the Coastal Commission that's correct. 601 00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:23,470 Okay. I just wanted to make it super clear that this is what we'll be looking at. Thank 602 00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:26,490 you. And March. 603 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,640 I just have one again kind of clarifying question. So I was caught a little 604 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,820 law card by Chair House, there's a question that I was really pleased to hear her ask 605 00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:46,320 and answered but I think you referred to a 5 p.m. communication and it seemed like perhaps 606 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,540 council member beer had received that. I did not. It would have been helpful so I don't 607 00:58:52,540 --> 00:58:56,500 know if there was a communication but I wanted to just mention that but I just want to make 608 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:57,160 sure I understand. 609 00:59:00,940 --> 00:59:05,840 That was an assumption on my part, I apologize, because you said your question was the same as her. 610 00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:14,060 But just so I'm understanding, so it sounds like there was some acknowledgement from the CCC that they overstepped 611 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:24,760 with modifying the ordinance as it applied to the entire city, and that we now have kind of the okay to do either a bifurcated ordinance, 612 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:32,260 or could we do just the simple edits that were presented in the example of the public comment 613 00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:38,860 from Cindy Abbott, Brian and Laurenero, and Caitlin Quinn. And it's two part questions. 614 00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:49,500 So that's the first part. Could we make those changes there? And then could we go back to the 615 00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:59,980 the Postal Commission and resubmit for the PPR in 60 day in the coastal zone, now that we have their staff report, which frankly I 616 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,100 I sat through the coastal meeting, coastal commission meeting, just kind of baffled by what's seemingly flawed logic of it, and resubmit again, but having already gotten those protections in place with their two modifications. Thank you, Commissioner Davis. I will clarify that the communication received at 5 p.m. today was between city staff and coastal commission staff as part of our coordination. 617 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:37,380 the Coastal Commission did not say that they overstepped their authority, but I do believe 618 01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:47,480 though, as we've discussed, the way in which our ordinance is organized is that, currently 619 01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:55,120 everything was intended to apply equally within the Coastal Zone and the non- Coastal Zone 620 01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:00,120 and I know some members of the public have spoken about how other jurisdictions will often have 621 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,480 two different ordinances. And that's just not the way that the City of Pacifica has really 622 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:14,300 approached our zoning regulations. So again, I think when staff was recommending the changes, 623 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:22,180 they were just looking at the structure that the ordinance had. And I think not really considering 624 01:01:22,180 --> 01:01:25,660 that these were things that would then be happening city-wide. 625 01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:31,820 So I don't believe, and the confirmation that we're able to pursue option two and 626 01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:37,460 still have it go through the administrative process, you know, to me signals that 627 01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:44,700 their intent wasn't to, you know, try to step outside of the coastal zone but was 628 01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:47,580 merely working with the ordinance that we provided. 629 01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:57,140 And then I believe your second question was could we go through this modification process 630 01:01:57,140 --> 01:02:03,220 and then return to Coastal Commission at a later date with new revisions, with a new 631 01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:03,680 ordinance. 632 01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:15,820 And we could certainly do that if the Council wanted to explore different provisions, different 633 01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:25,420 different policy directions, you know, to try to regain primary residency in the coastal zone, but it would be a separate effort. 634 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:34,680 Through the Chair and the Vice Mayor, if option two is accepted, we would advise waiting some time before trying to 635 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,260 approach this topic with the Coastal Commission again. 636 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,380 So our goal would not be to turn right around and come back and ask for 637 01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:46,500 reinstatement of primary residents is they weighed in pretty strongly in August against it. 638 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,360 Yes, I would agree. And just to clarify, because I feel like I've made a faux pas here, 639 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,220 I apologize for the misunderstanding. I just heard the word communication. 640 01:02:55,220 --> 01:03:01,280 And I've been trying to stay on top of this and quietly, frankly, kind of like concerned about it 641 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,420 ever since I read the packet originally. And I would agree with City Manager Charpentier. 642 01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:10,340 I didn't, I would not have expected us to turn right around and run back down there. 643 01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:12,800 Yeah, so appreciate the clarification. 644 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,160 Commissioner Boomer. 645 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:22,780 Commissioner Davis actually asked my question but I'm going to ask it again just to request 646 01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:24,720 a hypothetical step forward. 647 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:36,120 So if we hypothetically, if planning commission in our next meeting recommends that we move forward 648 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:44,300 with option two, then we understand we don't want to approach Coastal Commission directly 649 01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:51,760 after going through the process of solidifying option two, when might we feel comfortable 650 01:03:51,760 --> 01:04:00,100 returning to Coastal Commission to work towards amending the Coastal Zone requirements? 651 01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:14,250 I mean, I believe that's really up to the City Council and it would, you know, there 652 01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:19,610 be some hard decisions I think to make about what comes off the work plan in order for, 653 01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:25,590 you know, staff and the community to take up a new STR ordinance. 654 01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:34,470 I think some of the precipitating factors would be if it were simply unworkable and we 655 01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:40,130 documented that, like look we tried our best and see there are still these repeat complaints 656 01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:46,430 one after another, perhaps if the commission changed or they're outlook on the way they 657 01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:53,550 treat STRs as well as the legal environment, I don't mean to speculate on commissioners 658 01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:59,450 Redfield's question about what changed, but it is public knowledge that they went through 659 01:04:59,450 --> 01:05:02,370 some legal travails earlier in the year around the same time. 660 01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:07,570 And in their staff report in August, they did mention that they felt like it was legally 661 01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:10,530 deficient, which we don't agree with, but those were their words. 662 01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:15,910 So I think if those changed, that would be the best policy argument of, look, we tried 663 01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:16,490 it your way. 664 01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:17,630 It just didn't work. 665 01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:18,850 This is not sustainable. 666 01:05:20,010 --> 01:05:27,830 Okay, so effectively having some data points of working with the ordinance that we have 667 01:05:27,830 --> 01:05:36,870 hypothetically, if it's option two, and then coming back with concrete request and then 668 01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:39,170 some backing to it as well. 669 01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:45,230 So I guess if we did go with option two, we'd be working with it for a while, this is kind 670 01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:47,230 of what I was trying to internalize. 671 01:05:47,490 --> 01:05:47,750 Thank you. 672 01:05:55,130 --> 01:06:00,570 I think City Manager, what you just said is probably the answer to my one question. 673 01:06:01,350 --> 01:06:07,590 I'm really appreciative that option too was an option and the stress level that I felt 674 01:06:07,590 --> 01:06:12,270 walking into this room went from like a 10 to a 2 with that in there, but it's still 675 01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:15,930 at a 2 because there's kind of a lack of parity between us and other cities. 676 01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:22,110 And this, they worked really long and really, this was a community-led initiative that 677 01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:22,690 took a lot. 678 01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:25,810 And so my question was, why isn't there parity? 679 01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:32,730 And I'm going to assume that what you just said is the reason, but I would love to understand 680 01:06:32,730 --> 01:06:37,210 why Halfmoon Bay can do it and we can't because that's part of why we came to the conclusion 681 01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:38,350 that we did. 682 01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:41,210 Why was it legally okay for them, but not for us? 683 01:06:42,270 --> 01:06:51,310 That's a great question, Commissioner Hauser, and I do think to the city manager's point, 684 01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:56,770 the legal framework, the legal environments change, the commissioners change. 685 01:06:58,130 --> 01:07:01,810 There's a lot of things that are outside of our control. 686 01:07:02,570 --> 01:07:11,690 The Coastal Commission did, Coastal Commission staff did acknowledge that, you know, there 687 01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:17,490 was a change, you know, and that they had initially, you know, were supportive of the changes 688 01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:24,690 throughout, really throughout the whole process because we were coordinating with them and 689 01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:26,470 then in their original assessment. 690 01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:35,070 And, you know, in looking at some of the other jurisdictions, there's actually a lot 691 01:07:35,070 --> 01:07:42,950 of nuance in, there's just so much variation that it is very challenging, I think, to 692 01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:44,470 do the apples to apples. 693 01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:50,050 You know, for example, they didn't, you know, note that Half Moon Bay has over 800 hotel 694 01:07:50,050 --> 01:07:50,730 rooms. 695 01:07:52,110 --> 01:08:00,350 their entire city is within the Coastal Zone, I believe their cap is only on unhosted. 696 01:08:00,930 --> 01:08:09,970 So there's all these different variations that make it difficult to just do that apples to apples comparison. 697 01:08:09,970 --> 01:08:21,370 I was disappointed that the Coastal Commission didn't defer to the local process. 698 01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:28,430 But again, I think that that really speaks to the changes in the legal environment. 699 01:08:30,110 --> 01:08:38,990 Through the chair and the vice mayor, it is evident to us all of our surrounding cities have primary residents, so and it doesn't sit well. 700 01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:49,670 And that's why we presented, you know, in the community really came out at the Commission meeting to advocate for that level of parity in terms of policy tools. 701 01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:54,570 And it's lack of that is noticeable and problematic. 702 01:08:55,250 --> 01:09:00,970 And that is why we present option three, which has their trade-offs in each one of these options and risks. 703 01:09:01,810 --> 01:09:06,570 But option three is go back to the drawing board and come back with a full resubmital. 704 01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:10,690 And we outline the risks associated with that, too, and they are significant. 705 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:14,710 Thank you. 706 01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:18,910 And the final question for the first round, I would like to hear, and I apologize. 707 01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:24,990 I didn't realize that option two was really going to be a possibility to just now. 708 01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:33,930 But in order for us to be able to build a good data set to Lawrence thing, 709 01:09:33,930 --> 01:09:47,190 I think what dataset should we consider compiling in the event that we think we need to affect to a further changes at a later date in front of the Coastal Commission? 710 01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:51,470 Could you give me a list of a few that pop into your head? 711 01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:00,020 That's a great question, Vice Mayor. 712 01:10:00,740 --> 01:10:10,270 I think it would really depend on what the issues are. 713 01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:13,390 I think information about, 714 01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:23,900 I'm going to need to think about it and get, probably, get back to you. 715 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:41,840 But I know that they had questions about, you know, there's nothing that necessarily compels someone to, you know, a property owner to rent, you know, their property long, you know, to a long term resident, you know. 716 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:51,660 So I think looking at things, like conversions from short-term rentals to ownership or rental. 717 01:10:53,420 --> 01:11:05,940 But these things are very difficult to, the information is difficult to collect and interpret because there are so many different factors. 718 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:18,420 I think another thing is looking at if there were a way to capture why the STR market fluctuates so much. 719 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:24,740 Again, that's something really difficult to quantify. 720 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:35,200 And then as they said in the hearing, there's not a lot of hard data about STR's impact 721 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,460 And so I think those are the kinds of things we would want to be looking at. 722 01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:52,180 We don't have the data sets yet and that would be part of an ongoing effort. 723 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:59,940 But if you think about it as a February 45% of our STRs were non-coastal and 55 were coastal. 724 01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:24,560 So it's sort of close to parity, so we'd look at complaints, news and complaints, code violations, and do a side-by-side comparison, and show that there's a difference that would be a lot of the information we want to gather about the community impact, police calls, recorded complaints, things of that nature, and track that as well as that split. 725 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,400 But is it 45, 55 after this? 726 01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:29,100 Does it change? 727 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,420 Some folks mentioned and we've documented it that in some of our neighborhoods, it is higher 728 01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:35,900 than the one and a half percent. 729 01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:42,400 There's a higher concentration and does that start to exceed that and warrant looking at 730 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,820 this on a more geographic neighborhood basis or zoning basis. 731 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:52,280 So all of those data points would be useful if this is, that we would like to track and 732 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,600 And it's a work in progress, we don't have that data right now, but as we move forward 733 01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:05,160 with implementation of the SDR ordinance, and that would give us guidepost on what's 734 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,560 the problem, where is the problem, what's the solution? 735 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:09,900 Thank you. 736 01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:16,500 We're already have eaten sufficient significantly into planning commissions time, but I would 737 01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:19,960 I would like to touch base and see how you guys feel. 738 01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:22,760 Do you want to do another round of questions, 739 01:13:23,420 --> 01:13:25,180 or do you want to move to deliberations? 740 01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,380 I know Commissioner Ferguson had more questions. 741 01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:31,100 How are we feeling? 742 01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:38,280 Show of hands in favor of another round of questions. 743 01:13:40,510 --> 01:13:43,390 I think if anyone has additional questions, 744 01:13:43,870 --> 01:13:47,210 I'd like council to have the benefit of hearing them, too. 745 01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:48,910 But I do have a question. 746 01:13:48,910 --> 01:13:55,030 And do we have to make an announcement formally on a planning commission's meeting being delayed? 747 01:13:56,350 --> 01:13:59,170 That's a really good question for staff. 748 01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:12,460 I think it would be worth noting for the record that we're still in the joint study session of the City Council and the planning commission. 749 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:20,400 The special planning commission meeting was noticed to begin at seven o'clock, that has not begun yet. 750 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,940 and we'll begin immediately following the joint study session of the Council on Planning Commission. 751 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:34,940 The Zoom link and access will be on the same so it will be a seamless transition. 752 01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:36,960 Thank you. 753 01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:40,030 Wonderful. 754 01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:40,650 So. 755 01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:43,820 Similar. 756 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:47,120 It's similar. 757 01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:48,480 It's similar in pipe. 758 01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:55,560 So hypothetically, the resolution that's in the packet for the Planning Commission 759 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,980 meeting. What would be the path we would want? 760 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:29,480 So, this is the joint study session. This is the opportunity to discuss and deliberate on the Coastal Commission's recommendations. The Planning Commission, that meeting that follows, we'll talk about what the Planning Commission has before and what they can do to modify it, if the Planning Commission so desires. 761 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:44,300 Just to be clear, planning commissioners will have additional opportunities for questions 762 01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:49,640 and deliberation in their meeting in addition to what we're doing here. 763 01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:50,320 Correct. 764 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,680 This is the opportunity for you both to come together to talk about the Coastal 765 01:15:54,680 --> 01:16:03,840 commissions, determinations, suggested modifications, and potentially discuss options and approaches, 766 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:09,040 and then the planning commission will discuss what recommendation they want to make to the 767 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,920 council on the proposed text amendments. 768 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:20,920 Vice Mayor, if I may, make a recommendation on logistical proceedings, I would recommend 769 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:27,220 that maybe only council do whatever comments that the Planning Commission may have the benefit of hearing those. 770 01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:34,560 Or that if commissioners have questions that they be questions for council members that we may want to have input from. 771 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:44,220 Great suggestion, 100% in favour of it. I have always enjoyed working with you and would love to continue doing so. 772 01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:51,440 I do have a question, and I wanted to ask this question so everyone knows that just for 773 01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:57,860 the record that the planning commission only changed two things from their regional 774 01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:58,740 audience. 775 01:16:59,000 --> 01:16:59,500 Is that right? 776 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,480 The cost of commission only changed two items. 777 01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:12,540 The primary residency and the 60 days for 120 and everything will stay the same. 778 01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:13,400 That is correct. 779 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,540 Thank you. 780 01:17:14,860 --> 01:17:15,020 Thank you. 781 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,720 Are there any other counsel questions? 782 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:21,860 I didn't have a question. 783 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,380 I pushed the button, though. 784 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,500 Did you see that? 785 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:25,380 I pushed the button. 786 01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:26,260 I apologize. 787 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:26,720 No. 788 01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:27,180 I did not. 789 01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:28,200 Rookie. 790 01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:29,400 Rookie. 791 01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:30,180 Rookie. 792 01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:38,860 I just wanted to reiterate with City Manager Charpentier said in response to the question about 793 01:17:38,860 --> 01:17:43,880 what kind of data sets or what would be, and the commissioners, a couple of them made 794 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:49,000 a point of saying we don't have data that shows us, there's really that many problems. 795 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:55,880 And so I was just going to reiterate that point that gathering exactly as you said, those 796 01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:02,780 data points of time, intensity, time of day, et cetera, I think will be valuable. 797 01:18:03,420 --> 01:18:03,920 That's all. 798 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,020 Through the mayor and the chair, we also submitted all of the public, we also submitted 799 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:15,440 And did all of the public comments we had received over that Odyssey period, if you will, 800 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,020 to the Coastal Commission. 801 01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:23,420 So they were fully aware, and that did provide, and also we provided public record documents, 802 01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:30,340 but that did provide those documents and those comments on, here's how it impacts me as a 803 01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:34,860 resident, as a neighbor, as a person who lives in Pacifica. 804 01:18:36,380 --> 01:18:38,120 Is up to date, did you have a comment? 805 01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:41,870 No, I think I'll read. 806 01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:48,230 Commissioner Ferguson, you seem to have a number of questions. 807 01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:53,730 Do you feel like you will have time later or do you feel like there's something that you need to ask now? 808 01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:57,670 I could ask one thing of the council while you're here. 809 01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:01,150 I do believe this was a high priority item for you guys. 810 01:19:01,330 --> 01:19:04,810 I'm sure you heard all the same complaints I did from our constituents. 811 01:19:05,130 --> 01:19:08,490 I'm sure those constituents by and large are in the coastal zone. 812 01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:10,270 Those are all the ones I'm getting complaints from, 813 01:19:10,270 --> 01:19:11,490 but they are my friends and neighbors. 814 01:19:13,170 --> 01:19:17,150 I have to push back on their being parity between the coastal zone and the non-coastle zone. 815 01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:23,650 Yes, we have 55, they have 45, the non-coastle zone is an order of magnitude larger than the coastal zone. 816 01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:29,070 So imagine that's more like ten times as many houses per block that are affected. 817 01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:34,810 And you are going to get an economic mandate to push all of these units into the coastal zone. 818 01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:38,990 It's going to make this problem worse for those of us that are feeling at the most. 819 01:19:40,270 --> 01:19:42,990 We have to give that pushback and have one quick question for staff. 820 01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:51,570 There's a note on the fiscal impact as one of the bullets on the effect of this ordinance. 821 01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:59,710 Changing from a 60-day to 120-days list is no fiscal impact and there's no way that's correct from a staff and budget standpoint. 822 01:20:02,050 --> 01:20:06,170 If there is a budgetary impact in the city, it'd be good if that was actually listed. 823 01:20:06,170 --> 01:20:08,630 Thank you, Commissioner Ferguson. 824 01:20:08,890 --> 01:20:16,830 Just to clarify, the fiscal impact has to do with the joint study session, not the time of doing the study. 825 01:20:17,130 --> 01:20:21,110 It's correct, not the actual ordinance itself. 826 01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:25,910 So, should an ordinance advance, we'll have fiscal impact information at that time. 827 01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:28,490 Got it. 828 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:37,350 And then to refer to staff, do you think that we would have time for each person to make a deliberative 829 01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:45,690 statement prior to turning it over to planning commission or from a process 830 01:20:45,690 --> 01:20:50,830 perspective. This is a this is a joint study session so it's at the the will of 831 01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:54,810 the vice mayor and the chair. And there's only four you know I mean I think we 832 01:20:54,810 --> 01:21:01,950 can make our statements. Yeah I'm all for it. I just feel bad that it's already 833 01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:06,830 25 minutes. Well I mean I think we we had the benefit of hearing from our 834 01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:10,550 community, the same community that we've been hearing form for four years, the same community 835 01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:14,590 that came down to the Coastal Commission meeting, same community that was just as upset 836 01:21:14,590 --> 01:21:16,810 as we were about what happened during that meeting. 837 01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:22,650 And so the feedback that I've received, that we've received from my community, our community, 838 01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:24,710 was very beneficial for me. 839 01:21:25,230 --> 01:21:30,030 I had no clue that there was going to be an option to, super stressful. 840 01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:36,050 I have this whole pontification about the Coastal Commission that I am going to save. 841 01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:45,450 But I do want to say that I feel like it's my priority to get as many protections in place as we can as quickly as possible. 842 01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:58,790 And the way I think that we can do that is to go with option two and to understand that there are all these things that are going to be put in place with the exception of the 843 01:21:58,790 --> 01:22:04,150 for the primary resident and the 120 days. 844 01:22:04,410 --> 01:22:10,950 So I think option two is the way to go in order for us to get as many protections as we can, as quickly as we can. 845 01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:13,980 Thank you so much. 846 01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:17,860 You stay at home, Mary, and there's nothing else to say. 847 01:22:18,420 --> 01:22:28,540 But my concern also is that unhosted multi-family, I'm bringing this back here because I feel that we already 848 01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:32,180 We cover that on the original audience, is that right? 849 01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:42,010 That's correct, they left in place the prohibition of unhosted STRs in multi-family units. 850 01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:42,910 Okay. 851 01:22:43,730 --> 01:22:45,030 It would be in place. 852 01:22:45,150 --> 01:22:45,750 It would be in case. 853 01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:46,950 I appreciate that. 854 01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:59,450 Well, we heard the community in all of us is good to hear from them and it's good to hear 855 01:22:59,450 --> 01:23:10,930 work for them and even though we are accepting option two, we're going to keep working on 856 01:23:10,930 --> 01:23:21,470 the non-costal to make it work for us because I believe that we need to make sure that 857 01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:34,170 we take responsibility on protecting our homes here. Otherwise, we're going to be a hotel. 858 01:23:35,290 --> 01:23:42,790 And I don't have any short-term rentals next to my house. So if I were, I guess they 859 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:50,850 won't put up with me. I'm going to be the one that they can put up with. So I feel like 860 01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:52,810 Like most of the people here are so nice. 861 01:23:53,250 --> 01:23:59,590 You guys are very nice that you put up with short-term rentals in your neighborhood. 862 01:24:03,940 --> 01:24:04,960 This is back there. 863 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,340 I favor option two. 864 01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:11,610 Thank you. 865 01:24:12,370 --> 01:24:14,950 My statement is going to be slightly different. 866 01:24:17,310 --> 01:24:23,630 I came in here thinking we were going to have zero good choices and we were picking between 867 01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:32,390 many, not lesser of eels, but many just plain wrong. I was extremely disappointed with the 868 01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:40,630 coastal commission process, outcome, interaction between their staff and their commissioners, 869 01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:47,510 and it was upsetting. I came in here angry, 870 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,180 getting that news, that we have resumed a 871 01:24:55,180 --> 01:25:03,720 collaborative relationship is encouraging to me, not just for now, but into the future. 872 01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:11,200 But I also want to take this opportunity to recognize what it was that staff did to 873 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:21,180 get us from an S storm to where we are now, and it's a big deal. 874 01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:35,800 And I want to thank you guys extremely for what it is that you did to make it possible to even get an option that isn't the absolute worst. 875 01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:39,680 And I just want to let you know I appreciate that. 876 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:49,160 So at this point if anybody wants to make a motion to adjourn the study session and turn it over to planning commission, I'm happy to take it. 877 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,700 Assembly second 878 01:25:52,940 --> 01:26:00,430 anyone do we need to vote do we need to vote so the council needs to vote and the planning commissioners need to vote 879 01:26:01,190 --> 01:26:07,590 Okay, so council for do we all vote on the same? No, I think we have no motion, right so roll call vote all vote 880 01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:09,910 Oh roll call 881 01:26:11,170 --> 01:26:12,410 He'll start with 882 01:26:15,130 --> 01:26:16,010 Commissioner Sanchez 883 01:26:17,470 --> 01:26:17,910 Approved 884 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:19,830 Commissioner Redfield 885 01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:21,350 Yes. 886 01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:22,770 Commissioner Ferguson. 887 01:26:23,890 --> 01:26:24,490 Yes. 888 01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:26,290 Commissioner Davis. 889 01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:27,150 Yes. 890 01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:32,990 Sir, they didn't have to do it separately. 891 01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:33,650 Oh, I'm sorry. 892 01:26:35,650 --> 01:26:42,370 Okay, the council, the council made a motion, motion made by council member beer, seconded 893 01:26:42,370 --> 01:26:46,510 by council member Beckmeyer, I'll start the roll call vote over with the council members, 894 01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:47,910 council member Espinosa. 895 01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:51,090 Council Member Beyer. 896 01:26:51,130 --> 01:26:51,270 Yes. 897 01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:52,810 Council Member Beck-Meyer. 898 01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:53,110 Yes. 899 01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:54,570 Vice Mayor Wright. 900 01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:55,110 Aye. 901 01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:59,670 And that motion is 4-0 with a bull's absent. 902 01:27:00,770 --> 01:27:01,070 Okay. 903 01:27:01,350 --> 01:27:04,190 Would the motion be adjourned by planning commissioners? 904 01:27:04,570 --> 01:27:07,010 Would the planning commission like to make a motion to adjourn? 905 01:27:07,570 --> 01:27:08,470 A motion we adjourn. 906 01:27:08,810 --> 01:27:09,170 All second. 907 01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:17,830 And with the motion made by Vice Chair Berman and seconded by Chair Hauser, I'll start 908 01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:21,590 the roll call vote with planning commissioners with commissioner Sanchez. 909 01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:22,630 Yes. 910 01:27:23,170 --> 01:27:25,890 That was a yes, Commissioner Redfield. 911 01:27:26,230 --> 01:27:26,410 Yes. 912 01:27:27,070 --> 01:27:28,170 Commissioner Ferguson. 913 01:27:28,630 --> 01:27:28,830 Yes. 914 01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:29,950 Commissioner Davis. 915 01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:31,590 Yes. 916 01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:33,350 Vice Chair Burman. 917 01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:33,850 Yes. 918 01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:34,890 Chair Hauser. 919 01:27:35,090 --> 01:27:35,230 Yes. 920 01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:39,650 And that's the unanimous vote 6-0 with Commissioner Fisher absent. 921 01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:43,170 This meeting is adjourned. 922 01:27:44,190 --> 01:27:44,610 Thank you. 923 01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:57,510 And I would like to ask staff, it is 7.32, I'd like to, if staff will be ready, I would like to start the meeting at 7.40, or just staffing more time. 924 01:27:59,450 --> 01:28:00,910 We can start at 7.40. 925 01:28:01,350 --> 01:28:03,010 Okay, we'll start at 7.40, thank you. 926 01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:03,890 Planning 927 01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:46,920 Commission. 928 01:28:47,940 --> 01:28:50,020 It is 7.46 pm. 929 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,260 This meeting is called to order. 930 01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:53,700 May I please have roll call? 931 01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:53,740 All. 932 01:28:56,770 --> 01:28:57,570 Chair, housing. 933 01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:58,950 Present. 934 01:28:59,390 --> 01:29:00,110 Vice Chair, Burman. 935 01:29:00,510 --> 01:29:00,750 Present. 936 01:29:01,130 --> 01:29:01,970 Commissioner Ferguson. 937 01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:05,630 Present. 938 01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:06,850 Commissioner Redfield. 939 01:29:07,670 --> 01:29:07,870 Present. 940 01:29:08,290 --> 01:29:09,030 Commissioner Sanchez. 941 01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:09,790 Present. 942 01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:10,730 Commissioner Davis. 943 01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:11,370 Present. 944 01:29:12,510 --> 01:29:13,430 Commissioner Davis. 945 01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:15,230 Commissioner Davis, can you please lead us in the salute to the flag? 946 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,400 All right, thank you. 947 01:29:42,580 --> 01:29:48,180 Before we start on the agenda, any member of the public 948 01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:53,000 wishing to make a public comment tonight should complete a speaker card and bring it to the front 949 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,360 and hand it to staff. Members of the public may also participate in the meeting via Zoom or by 950 01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,280 dial-in option. 951 01:30:00,430 --> 01:30:30,410 Once styled in, once you're called upon, please unmute yourself by pressing star five to rate your hand, raise your hand and star six to unmute. Public meetings are a limited public forum, meaning that there are rules for commenting at these meetings. Comments on non-agentized items must address matters within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city and comments on agentized items must relate to that specific item. If comments do not fall into one of these categories, the city will provide you with a second warning to stay within 952 01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:32,950 in the subject matter jurisdiction of the city or on topic. 953 01:30:33,290 --> 01:30:34,710 If the warning is not followed, 954 01:30:34,990 --> 01:30:36,970 I will direct the city clerk to cut off the microphone 955 01:30:36,970 --> 01:30:38,310 and throughout this warning system, 956 01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:39,390 I will seek the assistance 957 01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:41,230 of Assistant City Attorney Bisono 958 01:30:41,230 --> 01:30:44,210 in identifying comments not related to the agenda item, 959 01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:47,410 or not within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city. 960 01:30:50,740 --> 01:30:57,060 So tonight, I was gonna say I have one item on the agenda, 961 01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:59,300 but technically we do have administrative business. 962 01:30:59,300 --> 01:31:04,880 I do not have any comment cards on the administrative business. 963 01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:14,960 Is there anyone on Zoom or on the phone with their hand raised for not short term rentals but for administrative business? 964 01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:16,760 There are no hands raised. 965 01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:23,180 Okay, then I'll close public comment on administrative business and ask for a motion to prove the order of the agenda. 966 01:31:23,940 --> 01:31:24,420 So moved. 967 01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:27,940 second. Second. Please vote. 968 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,600 We don't have our voting board up, so we do the roll call vote. 969 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,160 On that motion, Chair Hauser. Yes. Vice Chair Berman. Yes. 970 01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:45,280 Chair Commissioner Ferguson. Yes. Commissioner Redfield. Yes. Commissioner Sanchez. Yes. 971 01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:50,700 Commissioner Davis. Yes. That motion passes unanimously. Okay. We have no minutes to approve tonight. 972 01:31:50,700 --> 01:32:01,060 We have no designation of liaison listed, but I will note that yesterday's council meeting was supposed to be the affordable housing ordinance that has been moved. 973 01:32:01,060 --> 01:32:03,040 I believe to September 14th. 974 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,020 That is correct, Chair. 975 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:04,520 How's it? 976 01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:18,160 It has been continued to the September 14th meeting, and I did confirm that you would be available for that Commissioner Redfield is not available that day. 977 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,800 And so if you wanted to designate a different alternate, I would love to designate a different alternate 978 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,920 I will still plan to be there, but will someone come with me? 979 01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:28,780 Who's coming? It's good. 980 01:32:29,260 --> 01:32:30,060 What do you think it's going to be? 981 01:32:30,260 --> 01:32:32,080 The 14th September. 982 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:34,200 I probably could. 983 01:32:35,060 --> 01:32:37,080 Okay, then Commissioner Davis and 984 01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:38,900 Commissioner Davis and I. 985 01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:42,920 Okay. 986 01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,280 All right, that brings us to oral communications. 987 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:56,500 I also do not have speaker cards for oral communications, I think. 988 01:32:57,100 --> 01:33:01,220 Mr. O'Donnell and Gary, I believe you both want to speak on SGRs. 989 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:02,900 I'm seeing head nods. 990 01:33:04,540 --> 01:33:06,720 No, I'm sorry, we're still in oral communications. 991 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,840 I just want to make sure that I don't overlook an oral communication. 992 01:33:10,540 --> 01:33:12,780 Are there any oral communications on the phone? 993 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:14,500 There are no hands raised. 994 01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:23,900 Okay, then we will move on from oral communications to the main event new public hearing 2026-024-TA-131-26. 995 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,920 Considerations of tax amendments to Article 49 for term rentals are going to have a staff report, please. 996 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,380 Thank you, Chair Hauser. Good evening, commissioners. 997 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:38,560 Welcome back. 998 01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:48,440 Samantha Updegrave, Community Development Director, presenting on behalf of staff on the Coastal Commission modifications to the short term rental ordinance. 999 01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:56,140 This presentation is very similar to the one that we just had, so I'll go very quickly 1000 01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:57,500 through these slides. 1001 01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:02,200 If you have any questions at the end though, please let me know if you feel like I've skipped 1002 01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:02,580 over. 1003 01:34:05,660 --> 01:34:12,060 So again, the city adopted comprehensive updates to the short-term rental ordinance in August 1004 01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:13,060 of 2025. 1005 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,760 Those have been effective in areas outside of the coastal zone. 1006 01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:36,080 The Coastal Commission certifications required prior to being effective within the Coastal Zone and then just relevant to our conversations this evening are permit renewals for short-term rental permit renewals are coming up, so that renewal period is October annually. 1007 01:34:42,220 --> 01:34:51,220 So when the local coastal program amendment went to the Coastal Commission, they suggested 1008 01:34:51,810 --> 01:34:57,760 two modifications, one, to remove the primary residency requirement, and two, to replace 1009 01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,360 the 69 maximum rentals for unhosted with 120 nights. 1010 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:14,740 So now we're at the stage where the city has to accept degree or may accept degree and adopt modifications recommended by the Coastal Commission. 1011 01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:21,420 So we're going through that legislative process. This is the first hearing on the draft ordinance. 1012 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:22,860 Again, 1013 01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:37,030 in order for the 2025 ordinance as modified to be effective in the coastal zone 1014 01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:44,190 for this next round of permits, they would need to be in effect before the end of October. 1015 01:35:45,170 --> 01:35:50,790 And we heard just this evening before the joint session that the Coastal Commission believes 1016 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:58,230 They can bring these modifications back to the commission at their October meeting, which is October 7th through the 1017 01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:01,940 9th. 1018 01:36:01,940 --> 01:36:10,740 Again, all of these, it's a very tight timeline to adopt legislation and have it certified by October. 1019 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:21,320 And so every single one of these things has to happen successfully in order to reach that renewal period. 1020 01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:54,390 Just to highlight some of the standards that would apply or that do apply under the 2025 ordinance are requirements for responsible party listing the STR permit number exterior signage with contact information having a host to the operator has to be on site overnight maximum occupancy visitor hours prohibition on outdoor pools. 1021 01:36:54,390 --> 01:37:00,370 Hot Tubs and Spaws, at night, noise monitors, parking, two night minimums day, 1022 01:37:01,170 --> 01:37:07,730 prohibition on un-hosted STRs and multi-family units, which includes duplex and 1023 01:37:07,730 --> 01:37:12,610 attached single-family, life safety inspections and revocation provisions. 1024 01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:18,130 So there are three primary legislative options. 1025 01:37:18,130 --> 01:37:22,770 The first is to accept a degree and adopt the modifications as is. 1026 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:28,430 or to accept them in the coastal zone only, 1027 01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:31,210 or re-submit a revised ordinance. 1028 01:37:33,330 --> 01:37:37,650 So option one would remove primary residency 1029 01:37:37,650 --> 01:37:40,030 and change the rental limit night 1030 01:37:40,030 --> 01:37:45,710 from 60 to 120 nights in unhosted STR's citywide. 1031 01:37:47,110 --> 01:37:50,270 The pro is that it gets those positive permit 1032 01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:53,050 and operational standards for a 2025 ordinance 1033 01:37:53,050 --> 01:37:59,110 into effect in the coastal zone, and then the con is that it removes primary residency 1034 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:05,770 and increases number of unhosted knights also outside of the coastal zone. 1035 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:21,740 Option 2 is a newly available option which would codify the modifications but only in the 1036 01:38:21,740 --> 01:38:29,080 coastal zone. So again that would add those positive permit and operational standards into 1037 01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:34,180 the coastal zone while retaining some of the other protections in the non-coastal zone. 1038 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:41,320 And coastal commission has indicated that that can stay within their administrative process 1039 01:38:41,980 --> 01:38:43,900 and likely go to the October hearing. 1040 01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:49,670 The third option is to consider additional amendments, 1041 01:38:49,670 --> 01:39:01,610 So that would essentially be kind of starting over, so we would have to re-submit and go back through public hearing with the Coastal Commission after going through our own legislative process. 1042 01:39:02,630 --> 01:39:13,690 And that could definitely not occur before this upcoming STR permit renewal, but could be extended, it could extend it for up to probably two cycles. 1043 01:39:13,690 --> 01:39:13,970 goals. 1044 01:39:16,450 --> 01:39:24,550 We do, you know, in the staff report we provided just a kind of a straight modification 1045 01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:32,910 or acceptance of the Coastal Commission standards. So we do have a motion for that. 1046 01:39:33,870 --> 01:39:39,390 And then based on the feedback we received from Coastal Commission today, we're also providing 1047 01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:46,090 an alternative motion for planning commission to consider which would be in the coastal zone only. 1048 01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:55,890 So we've distributed an alternate draft resolution and draft ordinance and I'm going to put the changes 1049 01:39:55,890 --> 01:39:57,910 up on the screen for the record. 1050 01:39:58,990 --> 01:40:03,630 And then there are copies of that available in the back for the public as well. 1051 01:40:03,630 --> 01:40:10,330 And so this would be making those modifications only in the coastal zone. 1052 01:40:11,250 --> 01:40:19,070 So first in terms of the primary residency, it would add the statement in areas outside 1053 01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:20,390 of the coastal zone. 1054 01:40:20,750 --> 01:40:25,810 Each operator operating a short-term rental shall have their primary residence at the site 1055 01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:26,870 of the short-term rental. 1056 01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:38,030 So again, that's just bringing that primary residency to only apply outside of the coastal 1057 01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:38,490 zone. 1058 01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:44,710 And then there's a conforming edit under the permit requirements to say that in areas 1059 01:40:44,710 --> 01:40:50,050 outside of the coastal zone, the operator has to provide specific documentation. 1060 01:40:50,050 --> 01:40:51,270 and 1061 01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:06,560 then in terms of the unhosted nights it would add a section maintaining the 69 limit 1062 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:12,280 outside of the coastal zone and then add a section with the Coastal Commission modification 1063 01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:21,000 for 120 nights within the coastal zone. And it's just the same language with the different 1064 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:21,500 dates. 1065 01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:29,940 One thing that we did not include in the drafts that we would read into the record 1066 01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:36,120 is that the Coastal Commission in their correspondence today did say that they would 1067 01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:44,760 like to see clarification added to the definition of primary residence to add extra clarification 1068 01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,540 and it only applies in the non- Coastal zones. 1069 01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:54,940 And so we do have a motion for approval, should the Planning Commission 1070 01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:01,680 want to adopt a resolution recommending approval of the modifications only in the coastal zone? 1071 01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,920 And that concludes staff's presentation. 1072 01:42:05,260 --> 01:42:09,720 And if I skipped over anything too quickly, please let me know happy to answer any questions. 1073 01:42:14,370 --> 01:42:18,790 Just anyone have any questions for staff before we go to public comment? 1074 01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:21,950 There will be an opportunity for questions again for public comment. 1075 01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:29,840 Okay, seeing none, I do have one procedural questions since we just had a study session. 1076 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:36,440 We have a lot of folks who sat and gave comments at the study session. 1077 01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:41,200 And I'm wondering if there's a way for the record to reflect those comments for this meeting, 1078 01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:47,620 since this is the meeting that has the actual, the actual action being taken. 1079 01:42:55,300 --> 01:43:03,320 I think we could ask that the minutes include the public comments from the Joint Study 1080 01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:09,900 Session, but this is a public hearing so if people want to provide comments for this meeting 1081 01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:16,140 they can but I think if the commission is inclined to just incorporate those comments from the 1082 01:43:19,580 --> 01:43:22,580 So let me give a little bit of foundation for what I'm saying. 1083 01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,760 We had a bunch of speakers at the last meeting and I have four speaker cards. 1084 01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:29,180 So I want to make sure that we don't miss information. 1085 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,320 Understanding that there will be additional information provided during public comment right now. 1086 01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:40,680 So would all of the commissioners be amenable to including the last hearing the study sessions? 1087 01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,020 I'm seeing nods. Yes, unanimous. 1088 01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:49,400 Okay. We'd like to do that. Thank you. So without further ado, I will go to public 1089 01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,360 comment. Commissioner, I can't wait to add to words. 1090 01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:53,000 No, let's turn on. 1091 01:43:54,320 --> 01:44:01,600 And a quick procedural question since this option two that we are deliberating on is an 1092 01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:06,220 ineffective change to what was approved by the Coastal Commission. Does that mean we have 1093 01:44:06,220 --> 01:44:11,660 to adopt it exactly verbatim, or there are some changes we can make with the administrative 1094 01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:19,960 I have approval. Specifically, I am thinking of inputting a subcap for the coastal zone. 1095 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:26,700 You just not to infect what is currently in place, but to make it such that you don't 1096 01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:31,800 have a landslide effect of 45 percent of short-term rentals moving into the coastal 1097 01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:38,020 zone. Some cap that's very close to what you have now doesn't eliminate any current, 1098 01:44:38,020 --> 01:44:41,800 But prohibits that from happening in the future. 1099 01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,500 Thank you, Commissioner Ferguson. 1100 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,440 That would need to be submitted as an amendment. 1101 01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:53,580 And so I think we have some flexibility in terms of- 1102 01:44:53,580 --> 01:44:54,680 This is an amendment. 1103 01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:56,300 Yeah, so- 1104 01:44:56,300 --> 01:44:57,860 Well, this is a modification. 1105 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,900 It's a text amendment to approve the modification, accept and approve the modification of the Coastal Commission. If we want to add things beyond those modifications, it would need to be filed as a basically a resubmital of the local Coastal Program amendment and go back to public hearing. No, they affectionately gutted the two biggest portions of our resolution. That's correct. Any additional changes would need to be 1106 01:45:29,900 --> 01:45:36,100 your recent middle? Okay. Commissioner Ferguson, I'm going to just build on that a little 1107 01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:44,770 bit because if an option that would go to Coastal Commissioner in October would include 1108 01:45:44,770 --> 01:45:50,770 would be the ordinance that Council passes. Would it be possible for the resolution that 1109 01:45:50,770 --> 01:45:57,510 planning commission produces include additional, I'm going to call it conversation points that 1110 01:45:57,510 --> 01:46:05,070 that we would ask the Council to consider, is that a possibility that does not create 1111 01:46:05,070 --> 01:46:07,350 a proposal commission? 1112 01:46:09,170 --> 01:46:14,430 So Chair House, that is perfectly acceptable if the Planning Commission wants to make 1113 01:46:14,430 --> 01:46:19,610 recommendations aside from the text amendments that are being proposed, that is, the Planning 1114 01:46:19,610 --> 01:46:27,250 Commission can make those notations or items for consideration, and just to make sure 1115 01:46:27,250 --> 01:46:33,670 I'm reiterating the, I think the missing bridge here, there's not a concern that that would 1116 01:46:33,670 --> 01:46:38,430 jeopardize the dates and the probable acceptance by Coastal Commission. 1117 01:46:39,170 --> 01:46:42,970 Right. I mean, it would just be an item that's submitted up to the Council. 1118 01:46:43,090 --> 01:46:48,230 The Council can consider that or not consider that or take action on that or not take action on that. 1119 01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:56,910 But I think what, what Director Up to Grave was saying is that the options for the city 1120 01:46:56,910 --> 01:47:01,670 We are very narrow, it's you accept what the suggested modifications for the commission 1121 01:47:02,180 --> 01:47:06,250 or you don't accept them and then you resubmit a revised ordinance. 1122 01:47:06,810 --> 01:47:12,970 Now, we are making very minor changes to the suggested modifications to make a distinction 1123 01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:18,410 between coastal and non-coastal zone, which is consistent with the Coastal Commission's jurisdiction. 1124 01:47:19,010 --> 01:47:23,910 So, it's not really an expansion of the suggested modifications. 1125 01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:31,950 It's really just a clarification that the suggested modifications will only impact the coastal zone. 1126 01:47:32,490 --> 01:47:38,150 Can we put the red language back on the screen for one moment because I was going to save a question. 1127 01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:46,730 But since Commissioner Ferguson is asking about language, yeah, so that either one is fine. 1128 01:47:46,730 --> 01:47:54,110 Again, but did this language come from staff following questions, or did this language come from the Coastal Commission? 1129 01:47:54,530 --> 01:48:09,630 This is language that we sent to the Coastal Commission staff, asking if this clarification of where this applies could still be considered through their administrative process. 1130 01:48:09,630 --> 01:48:37,890 Yes, I probably would have preferred to see the opposite of this written where it was that the operator had to be a primary resident, except in the coastal zone versus accepting the rest of our city, because it's semantical, it's the same thing, and I don't think it's worth jeopardizing potentially, but I think that in the spirit of building the foundation for what we were looking for. 1131 01:48:38,610 --> 01:48:42,090 I would, I wonder if that would be seen as material at this point. 1132 01:48:43,290 --> 01:48:55,570 Yeah, I mean, so we're trying to make very precise changes that would be consistent with the jurisdiction of the Coastal Commission. 1133 01:48:56,190 --> 01:49:04,510 What I would suggest is you could put that, your suggested modification to the language in the recommendations to the council. 1134 01:49:04,510 --> 01:49:10,890 and potentially, you know, between now and then we can consider that a little bit more. 1135 01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:19,850 Okay. Can I ask a legal question? The Coastal Commission's purview is the STR ordinance or just 1136 01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:24,970 the language in the local coastal land use plan that incorporates the STR? 1137 01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:32,010 So the LCP amendment that we submitted was the ordinance itself. 1138 01:49:32,010 --> 01:49:41,170 Right, so the City of Pacifica has passed this STR, so we know the Coast Commission has no jurisdiction 1139 01:49:41,170 --> 01:49:47,630 over outside of the Coastal Zone, so why change the toward-term rental ordinance at all? 1140 01:49:48,850 --> 01:49:52,630 You could adopt there, but it would still only affect the local coastal plan, 1141 01:49:52,630 --> 01:49:57,410 and it doesn't affect your short-term rental ordinance, and it doesn't affect anything outside of the Coastal Zone anyways. 1142 01:49:57,410 --> 01:50:01,150 That's a great question, Commissioner Ferguson. 1143 01:50:01,410 --> 01:50:09,010 The way that Pacifica's zoning ordinance is organized is that our ordinances apply both 1144 01:50:09,010 --> 01:50:12,530 within and outside of the coastal zone. 1145 01:50:12,730 --> 01:50:18,950 And so our entire zoning ordinance is part of our local coastal program. 1146 01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:27,190 And so, yes, we just don't have a separate ordinance for STRs. 1147 01:50:28,590 --> 01:50:35,830 And as Director Optigree mentioned earlier, the Coastal Commission made the suggested modifications 1148 01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:40,830 without making a distinction between Coastal and non- Coastal zones because that's not what 1149 01:50:40,830 --> 01:50:41,830 was submitted to them. 1150 01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:44,330 The ordinance doesn't make that distinction. 1151 01:50:44,330 --> 01:50:50,950 And so making that distinction from their part is arguably beyond what was submitted. 1152 01:50:58,740 --> 01:51:01,420 So with that, we will open public comment. 1153 01:51:02,180 --> 01:51:04,380 I have four speaker cards up here. 1154 01:51:04,780 --> 01:51:05,760 Anyone else would like to speak? 1155 01:51:05,980 --> 01:51:10,920 Please bring a card up to staff where raise your hand in Zoom or by phone. 1156 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,400 I'm just going to read all four of them in the order that they're in. 1157 01:51:14,540 --> 01:51:19,500 So the first is Michael Wollman, followed by Bob O'Donnell, Gary, and Cindy. 1158 01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:20,500 Hello, 1159 01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:33,180 commissioners, city staff, city administrator, members of the public. 1160 01:51:33,900 --> 01:51:35,480 Mike Wallman, West Sharp Park. 1161 01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:40,800 So as we know, mostly concerns, probably the overwhelming amount of the concerns have 1162 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:46,420 been raised about short-term rentals have been raised by people that live along the coast. 1163 01:51:47,020 --> 01:51:51,480 And now what we're hearing is, we'll protect everybody except the people that are the most 1164 01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:52,740 infected by this. 1165 01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:58,580 I think that is wrong to do to the people who live along the coast. 1166 01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:05,340 It will also create an economic incentive for more short-tune rental operators to just 1167 01:52:05,980 --> 01:52:10,720 continue to get more property along the coastline to rent out because it's going to be in 1168 01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:12,600 their economic interest to do so. 1169 01:52:12,780 --> 01:52:18,980 It's pretty basic stuff and anybody knows the supply and demand is going to take over with 1170 01:52:18,980 --> 01:52:24,560 that, especially since they will make double the revenue, if they are able to do something 1171 01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:25,580 they can't do elsewhere. 1172 01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:33,140 So I believe this, you know, two different rules in one city is going to disproportionately 1173 01:52:33,140 --> 01:52:37,340 harm the people in the coastal zone that are already the most impacted by this. 1174 01:52:37,580 --> 01:52:39,960 So that's one thing to be mindful of. 1175 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:46,360 And then, you know, recently there was a great city council meeting or planning meeting where 1176 01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:50,540 somebody shows up as Darth Vader. Unfortunately, I didn't bring my three-year-old son, 1177 01:52:50,660 --> 01:52:55,600 who's a big fan of the dark Lord of the Sith. But I will say that the Coastal Commission 1178 01:52:55,600 --> 01:53:02,240 would be Darth Vader in this particular instance. And, you know, they've told us what to change. 1179 01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:06,760 In the past, apparently, their staff said, hey, you're good to go. And then the actual 1180 01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:13,060 commissioners voted, no, that's not what we said. So, what's the risk now that this last 1181 01:53:13,060 --> 01:53:18,680 Last minute speech that, hey, this will get done, will actually be approved by the actual 1182 01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,400 commissioners and the coastal commission. 1183 01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:22,100 We don't know that for certain. 1184 01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:27,780 And if they rejected again, then what's the impact to our renewal date in October? 1185 01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:28,720 Do we miss it now? 1186 01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:33,640 I don't think it's the worst or it worth the risk to play around with that, because as we 1187 01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:39,740 know Darth Vader will tell us that he's changed the deal and pray that he doesn't change it 1188 01:53:39,740 --> 01:53:39,920 more. 1189 01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:40,500 Thank you. 1190 01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:43,140 Thank you. 1191 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,640 Bob followed by Gary and then City. 1192 01:53:54,860 --> 01:54:00,220 Commissioners, it's really interesting that our former mayor is here because I can think 1193 01:54:00,220 --> 01:54:06,760 back four years ago when he led a City Council study session on the issue of short-term rentals. 1194 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:12,580 And I'm one of many citizens that have been impacted by the short-term rental process. 1195 01:54:12,580 --> 01:54:17,620 I mean, the non-coastal zone, but we appreciate that the problem is all of the city. 1196 01:54:19,060 --> 01:54:24,020 We've gone through a lot as planning commissioners and as citizens and as the city council. 1197 01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:29,480 And over those four years, we've created a new ordinance, a very effective ordinance, a model. 1198 01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:38,540 And very similar to other ordinances produced by cities all around us to protect ourselves from the worst impacts of these short term rentals. 1199 01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:43,820 We can go on with a litany of problems that have occurred but we've already discussed that so 1200 01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:48,020 What I want to say tonight is we can only do what we can do 1201 01:54:48,740 --> 01:54:50,100 We're subject to the 1202 01:54:50,700 --> 01:54:54,840 California Coastal Commission and we don't have direct control over that 1203 01:54:54,840 --> 01:55:01,920 But we do have direct control over the non- Coastal area and we've created a model ordinance that we need to protect and make 1204 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:06,980 As useful as possible in the city. So our recommendation is you go with 1205 01:55:07,740 --> 01:55:14,600 We'll be discussing the council study session earlier, option two, and strong language 1206 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:23,160 that protects the things that we want and now have in the non-cocial zone, and then 1207 01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:25,580 we'll do all that we can to protect the coastal zone, too. 1208 01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:30,700 But we're going to lose the whole baby and the bath and the whole good mill. 1209 01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,580 If we don't do something to protect what we have, a right to protect. 1210 01:55:35,580 --> 01:55:42,500 So I urge you to find a way working with the council to protect or you can and what we 1211 01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:44,060 work so hard to do for four years. 1212 01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:46,000 Thank you. 1213 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:46,880 Thank you. 1214 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:48,420 All right. 1215 01:55:48,580 --> 01:55:51,800 Gary and then Cindy and then Sue. 1216 01:55:57,710 --> 01:55:58,290 Good evening. 1217 01:55:58,930 --> 01:56:00,550 Gary Chienke of Aspen Drive. 1218 01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:07,690 I am here to support option two as stated before. 1219 01:56:07,690 --> 01:56:13,550 For we worked long and hard to get an ordinance that went into effect last October. 1220 01:56:14,710 --> 01:56:22,130 And it seems to be working very well for the area outside the coastal jurisdiction. 1221 01:56:23,710 --> 01:56:29,330 But I think if we don't accept the Coastal Commission's recommendations and are forced 1222 01:56:29,330 --> 01:56:35,470 to go back to the and start the process over again, it could be another four years before 1223 01:56:35,470 --> 01:56:36,450 anything is done. 1224 01:56:37,110 --> 01:56:42,690 So I think we ought to adopt the changes that Coastal Commission is recommending and see 1225 01:56:42,690 --> 01:56:49,670 how they work and maybe later on change them or start to change them if we want but get 1226 01:56:49,670 --> 01:56:56,590 something done. Thank you. Thank you. Okay Cindy and then Sue degree and that's the last 1227 01:56:56,590 --> 01:56:57,290 speaker card I have. 1228 01:56:59,990 --> 01:57:02,910 It's good to see you again this evening planning 1229 01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:09,750 commissioners and staff. I wanted to clarify something that came up in several of the 1230 01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:17,510 prior public comments on this about other coastal cities having two ordinances. Actually 1231 01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:23,470 very few of them have multiple ordinances but they do have different rules within the 1232 01:57:23,470 --> 01:57:29,130 same ordinance just like is in front of the city of Pacifica. I spent the weekend reading 1233 01:57:29,130 --> 01:57:33,890 a lot of them again, even though I've read them before, to clarify that point. 1234 01:57:34,590 --> 01:57:39,810 So many have, as we've heard, Commissioner Ferguson bring up and what we will end up 1235 01:57:39,810 --> 01:57:46,690 with here, different sets of rules within the same ordinance, but rules for the coastal 1236 01:57:46,690 --> 01:57:48,130 zone rules outside. 1237 01:57:48,510 --> 01:57:53,270 So again, it's kind of rare to have two ordinances, so I wanted to bring that up. 1238 01:57:53,270 --> 01:58:00,530 The second thing is, gosh, I was an advocate for caps by neighborhood all along, but that's 1239 01:58:00,530 --> 01:58:02,970 not what was voted on over the four years. 1240 01:58:03,190 --> 01:58:05,150 That's not what anybody would agree to. 1241 01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:12,570 So what I'm going to be heartened by here is a 30-year Weshart Park residence is that 1242 01:58:12,570 --> 01:58:20,250 a lot of the provisions that are in the ordinance hopefully will alleviate that influx of places 1243 01:58:20,250 --> 01:58:20,670 here. 1244 01:58:21,010 --> 01:58:22,250 We have small lots. 1245 01:58:22,250 --> 01:58:28,810 we have very limited parking. There's a lot of apartments and multifamily units here. 1246 01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:37,730 So I'm hopeful that that's going to remedy this huge, you know, group of people coming in here and buying up spaces. 1247 01:58:38,230 --> 01:58:42,150 So that's the reason I can go along with that part of it. 1248 01:58:42,450 --> 01:58:52,230 And I really appreciate the city manager noting that this gives us the opportunity now to be tracking things and really looking at what we need to look at for 1249 01:58:52,230 --> 01:59:00,390 a future case, but that time is in the future. I appreciate seeing these modifications and 1250 01:59:00,390 --> 01:59:08,810 it's very clear that all they are doing is clarifying that the, what was made by the 1251 01:59:08,810 --> 01:59:14,830 Coastal Commission as changes are just clarified between the Coastal Zone and outside of the Coastal 1252 01:59:14,830 --> 01:59:20,450 Zone. That's all it's doing. It's not changing anything and I think that that's really important. 1253 01:59:20,450 --> 01:59:34,950 I would though on like page five of the resolution to either strike that section C.I. that was brought up by Councilmember Beckmire earlier at minimum. 1254 01:59:35,510 --> 01:59:45,530 Please strike that maybe leave in that you're limiting the number of nights of unhosted rentals, but strike that 120 days. 1255 01:59:45,530 --> 01:59:50,150 That does not belong here because we all know that's not what we were looking for. 1256 01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:57,410 So strike the whole thing or it not, but please continue and go with option two. 1257 01:59:57,970 --> 01:59:58,590 Thank you. 1258 01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:59,730 Thank you. 1259 02:00:04,780 --> 02:00:30,280 Good evening, so do great. Thank you. I really appreciate the conversation between planning commission and staff this evening. I like your spunk. We mean we all want the same thing on both sides. Eastern West. Appreciate the delineation of the jurisdiction that attorney and city manager mentioned. Option two seems like the best way, but I really appreciate your thinking out of the box and trying to save everything. 1260 02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:37,520 the consequence, as Commissioner Ferguson mentioned, is very scary and then I appreciate 1261 02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:41,460 what Cindy said gives you a little bit of hope, what she said, that there's natural 1262 02:00:41,460 --> 02:00:46,620 causes that may help against that. So you and Council are up a toughy one. Really appreciate 1263 02:00:46,620 --> 02:00:52,060 your spunk, though. We want it right on both sides, so good luck in your proceedings. Thank 1264 02:00:52,060 --> 02:00:58,760 you. Thank you very much. So that was the last speaker card. Are there any raised 1265 02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:03,680 hands. We have two raised hands online. Okay, let's go to the Zoom members. 1266 02:01:04,980 --> 02:01:07,380 Our first raised hand is Remy Tan. 1267 02:01:11,630 --> 02:01:17,410 Hello. It's Remy Tan. Again, there's a manner at 1268 02:01:17,410 --> 02:01:26,070 March. Again, I urge the City Planning Commission to adopt option two. It sounds like given 1269 02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:33,510 in the tight timeline with the October 31st renewal of all of the STRs that are within 1270 02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:43,070 the audience, that's the way to go and, you know, to allow everybody on the East side 1271 02:01:43,070 --> 02:01:49,950 of Highway 1 to keep the ordinance as is, and then with the modification it encodes the 1272 02:01:49,950 --> 02:01:54,930 information for the folks on the west side of one and you know we can come back another 1273 02:01:54,930 --> 02:02:02,310 data to appeal a fight that one. But you know at least we'll have you know 90% of our 1274 02:02:02,310 --> 02:02:06,990 ordinance in place. So I think that's really important. It sounds like the ordinance is 1275 02:02:06,990 --> 02:02:16,670 working. The previous testimony this evening and you know we do have a cap so I think the 1276 02:02:16,670 --> 02:02:24,230 concerned that one of the residents brought up about, you know, people, you know, buying 1277 02:02:24,230 --> 02:02:32,310 out houses on the west, west side of one, because of the 120 versus 60 days, you know, 1278 02:02:32,570 --> 02:02:39,590 that the room close to chapter 150, you know, somebody will have to rescind their permit, you 1279 02:02:39,590 --> 02:02:45,670 for somebody to buy, you know, and do a, you know, I see on the one side of town. 1280 02:02:46,370 --> 02:02:52,370 So, you know, I think that's going to be slower than, you know, what happened, I'm assuming 1281 02:02:52,370 --> 02:02:56,210 all of our permits are taken, because we only have 150 of them. 1282 02:02:56,730 --> 02:03:00,810 So, I think that's really important to point out. 1283 02:03:01,450 --> 02:03:08,030 And also, you know, I'd like to see Council in planning commission and, you know, please, 1284 02:03:08,030 --> 02:03:13,870 You know really enforce and make sure that all the money that's coming from the SDRs, you know 1285 02:03:13,870 --> 02:03:19,510 We do get to transit occupancy tax to say I was up meeting a couple weeks ago on the budget 1286 02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:26,830 They have every dollar of transit occupancy tax that we have we can get is really important 1287 02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:33,630 So you know, we have some little bit of shift to the west side where they're you know higher rates that's more tax dollars 1288 02:03:33,630 --> 02:03:34,890 Thank you. 1289 02:03:36,580 --> 02:03:37,020 Thank you. 1290 02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:37,620 Thank you. 1291 02:03:41,070 --> 02:03:41,710 Thank you. 1292 02:03:41,710 --> 02:03:42,590 Next up, we have Caitlin Quinn. 1293 02:03:47,970 --> 02:03:49,370 Hello, Planning Commissioners. 1294 02:03:50,970 --> 02:03:57,910 Thank you so much for doing this really important work tonight, both Commission and staff, obviously. 1295 02:03:58,590 --> 02:04:02,910 I am 100% for option number two. 1296 02:04:03,670 --> 02:04:11,190 I, listen, I think a lot of you know me, I mean, I am the poster child for how hellish 1297 02:04:11,190 --> 02:04:16,150 life can be living next door to an unhosted STR that is poorly managed. 1298 02:04:16,850 --> 02:04:24,190 And as much as I want relief, I do not want that relief to come at the expense of my 1299 02:04:24,190 --> 02:04:26,670 fellow pacificans on the east side. 1300 02:04:26,730 --> 02:04:35,770 I do not want those people to lose the primary residence requirement and the 60 nights just 1301 02:04:35,770 --> 02:04:44,430 So we can push through an ordinance that would give me potentially some modicum of relief here in West Sharp Park. 1302 02:04:44,770 --> 02:04:52,410 And to commission or Ferguson's comments, I read you 100% like, yeah, it is not good here. 1303 02:04:53,370 --> 02:05:01,930 We have so many of them. I mean, Beach Boulevard is over 50% unhosted STRs, as we know, and 1304 02:05:01,930 --> 02:05:07,530 And, you know, listen, what the Coastal Commission has handed us here is not what we wanted, 1305 02:05:07,710 --> 02:05:12,130 it's not what we need, and it's basically, it's a steaming pile. 1306 02:05:12,670 --> 02:05:15,950 I'm not going to lie, but I mean, it's, what are our choices? 1307 02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:19,790 It's like the small steaming pile or the giant steaming pile. 1308 02:05:21,670 --> 02:05:26,750 It's, you know, sorry, it's, it's, it's, it's a graphic, but it's, it's, it's, it's kind 1309 02:05:26,750 --> 02:05:30,990 of a deal with the devil, and I think we have to just suck it up and take this. 1310 02:05:30,990 --> 02:05:38,150 And I will say, as others have said, before me, going forward, like let's give this fix and 1311 02:05:38,150 --> 02:05:42,010 going forward, enforcement is going to be so, so, so important. 1312 02:05:42,130 --> 02:05:48,410 And we know that this is something that the city has not done a great job with up until this point. 1313 02:05:48,750 --> 02:05:57,270 I mean, I walk down Beach Boulevard, we've got one operator who's operating 10 SDRs unhosted in multi-unit buildings. 1314 02:05:57,270 --> 02:06:03,210 who doesn't have a permit for one of them and it just I just sit here and go how 1315 02:06:03,210 --> 02:06:06,950 are we letting this happen. I mean literally like talk about leaving money on 1316 02:06:06,950 --> 02:06:11,550 the table and honestly allowing someone to steal from the city because that is 1317 02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:17,550 what it is. Thank you for the work that you're doing and really appreciate your 1318 02:06:17,550 --> 02:06:24,250 consideration of option two. Thank you. Thank you Caitlin. I don't think we had anyone 1319 02:06:24,250 --> 02:06:29,310 else? That's all. Okay so at that I will close public comment and bring it back to the commission 1320 02:06:29,310 --> 02:06:35,450 for questions and deliberation. We are going to mix it up, deliberate, ask whatever you'd like. 1321 02:06:36,850 --> 02:06:39,410 You don't have to press the button. Just go ahead. 1322 02:06:42,900 --> 02:06:44,600 I have a timeline question for staff 1323 02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:53,740 because I think I know what's going to happen tonight. If option one or option two is approved and 1324 02:06:53,740 --> 02:06:55,560 and we move forward with something. 1325 02:06:56,280 --> 02:07:00,520 Option two does not have to go before Coastal Commission's 1326 02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:02,060 October meetings that might understand it? 1327 02:07:03,580 --> 02:07:05,920 Either option will have to go back. 1328 02:07:06,380 --> 02:07:11,840 So essentially the Coastal Commission has to confirm 1329 02:07:12,300 --> 02:07:16,280 that whatever modifications we've approved 1330 02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:19,840 and adopted meet what their requirements are. 1331 02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:21,440 As my understanding, they adopted it, 1332 02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:22,380 but just with changes. 1333 02:07:22,380 --> 02:07:31,960 So, as long as we accept those changes, they approve it, and actually, if we could pull up slide. 1334 02:07:35,380 --> 02:07:38,440 I have a follow-up button to make clarify what I'm trying to get at. 1335 02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:47,060 If we were to go with option two tonight, and the Coastal Commission deliberates in October, 1336 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:53,620 but renewals for permits are in October, and then it would have to come back for us again. 1337 02:07:53,620 --> 02:08:00,800 And if somebody with a current permit, can they renew on October 1st before the Coastal 1338 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,660 Commission deliberates and then get one more year with, say, a multi-family in West 1339 02:08:04,660 --> 02:08:08,880 Sharp Park because they had their permit renewed before the ordinance went into effect? 1340 02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:09,540 Right. 1341 02:08:09,740 --> 02:08:13,160 So, that's a really good question. 1342 02:08:13,540 --> 02:08:21,640 The permit renewal period, the permits are good until October 31st. 1343 02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:30,040 And so the new permits don't go into effect until November, technically I think until November 1st. 1344 02:08:30,340 --> 02:08:41,020 So the renewal period is October, so that's when people are applying, but new permits don't actually go into effect until, until November 1st. 1345 02:08:41,020 --> 02:08:46,480 So we effectively hold all applications until the 31st and they find out on the 31st, but their fate is for the next year? 1346 02:08:48,620 --> 02:08:55,960 They would be, we would be reviewing that application, so we review all of the STR applications 1347 02:08:55,960 --> 02:09:01,660 in the month of October and then new permits aren't issued until November 1st. 1348 02:09:01,660 --> 02:09:02,820 I'll get even more specific. 1349 02:09:03,300 --> 02:09:09,540 If we go with either option 1 or option 2, it eliminates the use of STRs in multi-family 1350 02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:09,960 housing. 1351 02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:16,300 There is no way with either those options that somebody renews a permit for next year 1352 02:09:16,300 --> 02:09:18,240 for an STR in multi-family housing. 1353 02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:19,140 That's right. 1354 02:09:19,300 --> 02:09:28,800 Even if they were to come in today and obtain a permit to have an STR in a multi-family 1355 02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:31,600 unit, they would be required to renew that permit in October. 1356 02:09:32,260 --> 02:09:37,400 So regardless of when you apply, the permit is only good through October 31st annually. 1357 02:09:37,740 --> 02:09:38,940 Can I ask you a different way? 1358 02:09:39,140 --> 02:09:42,520 What about the eventuality that we don't get this done by November 1st? 1359 02:09:44,740 --> 02:10:01,800 then would not apply then then the so what is staffs maybe it's going to be some kind of discretionary thing here right what is the plan if this isn't done by November 1 for multifamily STRs and the coastal zone. 1360 02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:10,060 If the city does not accept and adopt modifications and those aren't certified by the Coastal Commission, 1361 02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:17,700 then the current standards that are in place in the Coastal Zone would still apply to this next cycle. 1362 02:10:18,460 --> 02:10:26,840 And so I do have, I pulled up on the screen here, the schedule, this is why we have, are having special hearings. 1363 02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:36,660 meetings. It is a very tight timeline. If the Planning Commission adopts a resolution 1364 02:10:36,660 --> 02:10:42,500 making a recommendation to the City Council, we would then hold a special City Council meeting 1365 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:52,900 in place of the Planning Commission meeting on September 8th, and it would then go for 1366 02:10:52,900 --> 02:11:03,480 We're a second reading on at the regular city council meeting on the 14th and then we would need to submit to the Coastal Commission. 1367 02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:14,660 So just to make sure that this is amply clear to everyone, if we don't make a recommendation tonight and continue that what you're saying happens definitively. 1368 02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:19,720 If all of these things happen, then the best case scenario is the Coastal Commission's control. 1369 02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:20,880 It looks like you're threading a needle. 1370 02:11:23,580 --> 02:11:23,660 We. 1371 02:11:26,210 --> 02:11:26,450 Right. 1372 02:11:27,010 --> 02:11:27,970 Just, I was just clarifying. 1373 02:11:29,050 --> 02:11:29,470 Thank you. 1374 02:11:29,870 --> 02:11:35,810 Through the chair, if for whatever reason one of these steps does not occur and we do not make that deadline, 1375 02:11:36,050 --> 02:11:43,210 we would return to council immediately for direction as that may alter the public's interest 1376 02:11:43,210 --> 02:11:46,310 and the council's interest in which one of those options to look at. 1377 02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:56,550 I believe with option two it won't really matter if we don't get this done in time right because there's it would be we would go to effect for the city and the coastal 1378 02:11:56,550 --> 02:12:04,410 mission has no purview over anything outside of the but it it would matter or it can't it can't without coastal 1379 02:12:04,410 --> 02:12:11,770 commission approval to even though it's not within this ordinance is already in effect in the non-hostile zone 1380 02:12:11,770 --> 02:12:12,670 Currently. 1381 02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:13,110 Yeah. 1382 02:12:13,490 --> 02:12:17,690 So the only thing that's not in effect, right, is that I think that's correct. 1383 02:12:20,710 --> 02:12:21,130 Understood. 1384 02:12:21,530 --> 02:12:21,890 Thank you. 1385 02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:32,510 Can I re-ask, and maybe this wasn't Commissioner Ferguson's question, but I developed the question after hearing yours. 1386 02:12:33,810 --> 02:12:42,610 If just the logistical process for current permit holders, or anyone who wants to submit a permit 1387 02:12:42,610 --> 02:12:50,270 In the beginning of October, they have the understanding of what the current ordinance is, 1388 02:12:50,430 --> 02:12:57,590 so not inclusive of what we're looking at tonight, is when staff reviews over the course 1389 02:12:57,590 --> 02:13:05,370 of the month and then on October 31st, when permits get issued, the permits get issued 1390 02:13:05,370 --> 02:13:09,430 with whatever requirements are in effect as of the 31st. 1391 02:13:09,430 --> 02:13:14,870 So that is when, so that is when a permit holder learns 1392 02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:18,290 what the requirements are potentially if they change. 1393 02:13:18,850 --> 02:13:22,570 And, you know, we will update our public information 1394 02:13:22,910 --> 02:13:30,550 to reflect, you know, whatever is happening in the process. 1395 02:13:30,890 --> 02:13:35,550 And so, you know, if council is considering, you know, 1396 02:13:35,550 --> 02:13:40,050 So, you know, introducing or adopting an ordinance, you know, we'll make sure that 1397 02:13:40,050 --> 02:13:46,850 that information is updated on our website so that people are aware of that change. 1398 02:13:48,170 --> 02:13:48,450 Okay. 1399 02:13:48,750 --> 02:13:54,750 So then, because the hypothetical situation I'm thinking of is, right now in the coastal 1400 02:13:54,750 --> 02:13:57,850 zone, there's no regulation, effectively. 1401 02:13:58,330 --> 02:14:02,110 There's existing forms of the existence of the prior ordinance, yeah. 1402 02:14:06,090 --> 02:14:09,770 And let's say someone, well, 1403 02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:16,440 I'm just trying to, I guess, this mainly relates to unhosted 1404 02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:21,200 because the example I was thinking of is if they live in a different country and they 1405 02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:25,840 wanted to continue to rent out their house but that could still be the case if we choose 1406 02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:26,400 option to. 1407 02:14:29,260 --> 02:14:33,740 There's not an appeal period following the Coastal Commission. 1408 02:14:38,340 --> 02:14:52,880 That's a good question. I believe, I will have to look into that, but this is a more 1409 02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:59,960 of an administrative acceptance, I think more so than a decision, but I can't. 1410 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,800 And we can look into that. 1411 02:15:04,220 --> 02:15:28,080 But my understanding is that the effective date is the date of the Coastal Commission action. I'm sorry if I didn't think any of this really affects our process tonight. Just good enough. I think that this is really good. I mean, that was a great question. I think that we should all continue to ask questions. And I think that we know that we've got a very flexible resolution and a much less flexible ordinance. 1412 02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:29,060 I've 1413 02:15:36,290 --> 02:15:43,230 got to still get some clarification on the application process, so assuming that 1414 02:15:43,230 --> 02:15:49,390 we're all good but also assuming if it doesn't get to Coast Commission and doesn't make 1415 02:15:50,070 --> 02:15:56,190 our deadline, what does that do for, again, you have an existing or even a new applicant 1416 02:15:56,890 --> 02:16:02,330 that comes in, so they're subject to the existing regulations. 1417 02:16:02,330 --> 02:16:10,530 So if that application is filed in, they're in compliance with the old 1418 02:16:10,530 --> 02:16:15,810 ordinance. When they file for the new one, what is their obligation for 1419 02:16:15,810 --> 02:16:21,270 compliance on the new rules? The sound monitors, all the parking 1420 02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:25,110 restrictions, all the various good neighbor policies that are in place. 1421 02:16:28,210 --> 02:16:35,330 Permits for that start on November 1st will have to meet the new requirements, if this 1422 02:16:35,330 --> 02:16:37,330 is adopted and accepted by Coastal Commission. 1423 02:16:38,410 --> 02:16:43,210 So they would still have to be compliant with any inspections, the whole kit and caboodle. 1424 02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:48,890 And they would know that going in, they may think, they're seeing the old ordinance and I'm 1425 02:16:48,890 --> 02:16:53,730 good to go, I paid my money for my permit and all of a sudden I'm getting hit with, I have 1426 02:16:53,730 --> 02:17:01,030 to do what? That type of thing. I'm just worried about being caught off guard and not being 1427 02:17:01,030 --> 02:17:05,790 able to do what they signed up for essentially. 1428 02:17:06,470 --> 02:17:13,910 Right, and again, we don't have any formal actions at this point, but we will be updating 1429 02:17:13,910 --> 02:17:21,270 our public information. So we do have a short-term rental page that provides links to all of 1430 02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:25,610 the requirements to the application and so forth, and so that's a place where we would 1431 02:17:25,610 --> 02:17:26,090 put it. 1432 02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:34,430 And I also have to ask, are we geared up for those inspections and all the compliance 1433 02:17:34,430 --> 02:17:41,810 issues that require city staff, the safety inspections, et cetera, et cetera, to go with 1434 02:17:41,810 --> 02:17:47,990 the code enforcement to go see if the signage is in place, if the noise modders in place 1435 02:17:48,610 --> 02:17:53,510 would assume that that's done at the same inspection for just for efficiency? 1436 02:17:54,510 --> 02:17:59,550 That's correct. So where the way that the process works is that we have to 1437 02:17:59,550 --> 02:18:05,450 conduct the inspection before the permit can be approved and so they are 1438 02:18:05,450 --> 02:18:10,430 checking for those things. Okay, so thank you. I 1439 02:18:12,700 --> 02:18:13,140 just wanted to. 1440 02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:20,240 Chair 1441 02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:27,420 quite sometime in the non- Coastal Zone and so the city has put a lot of education even in the last renewal period 1442 02:18:27,420 --> 02:18:32,580 There was a lot of education to all SDR permitties about the new ordinance 1443 02:18:32,580 --> 02:18:38,640 So I think there is a piece of education that will continue through the process the renewal process this year as well 1444 02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:46,940 And I do want to point out that there is a provision in the ordinance that the 2025 ordinance that provides 1445 02:18:46,940 --> 02:19:00,980 It provides basically a phase process for implementation of the ordinance in the coastal zone once the certification from the Coastal Commission takes place. 1446 02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:16,380 So if the ordinance were to proceed forward and or the Coastal Commission doesn't consider it biocular first and the council doesn't want to make any changes and accepts the modifications as is, but the certification comes after November 1st. 1447 02:19:16,380 --> 02:19:21,120 There is a phased approach whereby some provisions would go into effect immediately. 1448 02:19:21,720 --> 02:19:26,280 Other provisions like the big ones, the primary residency, not the primary residency, 1449 02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:33,120 but the hosted and the un-hosted, those would not go into effect until the renewal period comes again. 1450 02:19:33,660 --> 02:19:34,660 What about multi-family? 1451 02:19:36,620 --> 02:19:37,980 I'd have to check on that. 1452 02:19:39,140 --> 02:19:43,540 Just to make sure I understand what you're saying, because that's really helpful nuance. 1453 02:19:43,540 --> 02:19:49,520 If we go with option two, which is, I think, far away with the majority of the community 1454 02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:58,560 has said, and we miss the October commission hearing, the commission that have, I think 1455 02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:05,420 what I'm hearing you say, is there's not a scenario in which the non-coastal zone would 1456 02:20:06,260 --> 02:20:08,460 go backwards, right? 1457 02:20:08,460 --> 02:20:16,160 If Council wants to proceed with the suggestions modifications as the City Manager mentioned, 1458 02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:18,420 Council may want to do something different. 1459 02:20:18,980 --> 02:20:24,280 But let's assume they want to proceed with the modifications as is, but it just doesn't happen 1460 02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:27,560 that they get certified by October 31st. 1461 02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:34,640 The code allows a phased process whereby once certified certain provisions of the ordinance 1462 02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:40,240 going to affect immediately other provisions don't go into effect until the next renewal cycle. 1463 02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:49,060 So an SGR on the back of the valley could not lose its primary resident requirement if something 1464 02:20:49,060 --> 02:20:54,660 slipped to November. I'm sorry, say that again. City manager are you following me? 1465 02:20:55,300 --> 02:21:03,100 I think the question is if we move forward with option two and let's just say the Coastal 1466 02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:08,180 commission meeting in October doesn't happen because they lose power or the storm or whatever. 1467 02:21:09,100 --> 02:21:13,640 Does that affect the current protections in the non-costal zone? 1468 02:21:14,780 --> 02:21:19,340 And the answer is that in the non-costal zone they would stay as status quo. 1469 02:21:19,900 --> 02:21:21,440 Because this bifurcates that. 1470 02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:23,680 Because this wouldn't be an effect. 1471 02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:25,600 Because nothing. 1472 02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:26,580 Uh-huh. 1473 02:21:26,740 --> 02:21:26,900 Okay. 1474 02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:27,220 Okay. 1475 02:21:27,460 --> 02:21:27,740 Thank you. 1476 02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:28,280 Right? 1477 02:21:28,420 --> 02:21:28,540 Right. 1478 02:21:28,540 --> 02:21:35,080 That's right. Yeah, so the modifications which makes the distinction option to make distinction between 1479 02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:39,260 coastal non- Coastal Zone. Okay, that doesn't go into effect until the Coastal Commission 1480 02:21:39,260 --> 02:21:44,380 is certified. Okay. And there are already operating. There's already operating. There's nothing weird 1481 02:21:44,380 --> 02:21:49,480 about the October. First October, so you've more established. In that case, if you went back to the 1482 02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:56,580 Coastal Commission with changes, would you still leave all the protections you have in the non- Coastal Zone? 1483 02:21:56,580 --> 02:21:57,460 So, 1484 02:22:00,310 --> 02:22:03,830 if you made substantive changes and said, you know, we disagree with what your 1485 02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:08,690 point is, here are these following additions we would like to change. 1486 02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:13,910 The existing ordinance that's already in effect in the non-costles zone, that would 1487 02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:14,690 stay, correct? 1488 02:22:16,210 --> 02:22:21,110 If you do not, if nothing happens at all, what is in effect in the non-costles zone? 1489 02:22:21,170 --> 02:22:22,970 Stays in effect in the non-costles zone. 1490 02:22:22,970 --> 02:22:33,330 If there are changes that are material and require resubmission, then we do not have the opportunity to impose the good 1491 02:22:33,330 --> 02:22:37,410 neighbor standards in the Coastal Zone starting November 1st. 1492 02:22:38,830 --> 02:22:40,970 There is a risk that we may not make it. 1493 02:22:40,970 --> 02:22:51,630 The reason I'm bringing this up is this cuts 90% of what the push for this ordinance was in the Coastal Zone. 1494 02:22:51,630 --> 02:22:56,090 And so, if we make changes, we are in no way threatening the non-coastal zone. 1495 02:22:56,490 --> 02:23:00,630 What do we have to lose by pushing for changes in the coastal zone if that's the case? 1496 02:23:00,730 --> 02:23:02,270 All of the other regulations, right? 1497 02:23:02,510 --> 02:23:04,490 The list that was on that slide. 1498 02:23:05,410 --> 02:23:09,230 Correct, and I would love to hear the end of the City Manager's answer. 1499 02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:19,490 The trade-off is between the ability to impose the new standards in the 2025 ordinance, 1500 02:23:19,490 --> 02:23:23,110 that's which include the list that was on the slide. 1501 02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:24,470 I think we're all familiar. 1502 02:23:25,010 --> 02:23:29,270 That's the ability to use those in the coastal zone. 1503 02:23:29,490 --> 02:23:29,890 Sure. 1504 02:23:30,270 --> 02:23:32,610 Is the benefit of moving forward now. 1505 02:23:33,730 --> 02:23:37,850 And the phase two would do that if everything falls 1506 02:23:37,850 --> 02:23:40,690 into place in a way that would protect, 1507 02:23:41,150 --> 02:23:43,470 that would not change the existing protections 1508 02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:46,230 in the non-coastal zone. 1509 02:23:48,500 --> 02:23:53,660 And we did, to be fair, we did present an option three, which is a material resubmission. 1510 02:23:55,260 --> 02:24:03,160 Which would be very time intensive, and we would lose at least two cycles of renewals. 1511 02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:08,360 Because once we submit an application to the Coastal Commission, they have 12 months, is that right? 1512 02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:09,960 To review it. 1513 02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:10,400 That's correct. 1514 02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:20,260 So if we submit an application in, let's just say March, they have till March 28, so that's another cycle. 1515 02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:28,720 So we're looking at at least two years, and that assumes everybody's an alignment, at least two years without having those additional protections in the coastal zone. 1516 02:24:29,640 --> 02:24:35,360 And it is a trade-off, and we may not make it, even with option two, we do want to be clear. 1517 02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:41,680 a lot has to happen and fall into place but we know that without option two there's no chance. 1518 02:24:42,100 --> 02:24:42,200 Yes. 1519 02:24:43,420 --> 02:24:49,020 And we recognize this is not always an easy decision and there are a lot of things to 1520 02:24:49,020 --> 02:24:49,480 consider. 1521 02:24:50,500 --> 02:24:57,760 Well, I want to say that I really appreciate that there's a lot of common ground in what 1522 02:24:58,400 --> 02:25:03,620 staff, the council members, the community, like everybody seems to be pushing for option 1523 02:25:03,620 --> 02:25:04,120 two. 1524 02:25:04,460 --> 02:25:08,100 And I know that a lot of the people that have spoken to me live in the coastal zone. 1525 02:25:08,900 --> 02:25:12,300 So I think that's helpful at least to- 1526 02:25:12,300 --> 02:25:14,440 In case it wasn't clear, I'm also a four option too. 1527 02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:19,760 I don't think it's a great, it's not the solution we all wanted, but it's the best of the three choices, like that. 1528 02:25:20,180 --> 02:25:25,520 A lot of people were saying otherwise, but that is given these three choices, that would be the way I was being also. 1529 02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:27,920 Not that it matters, because I'm going to get out loaded unanimously. 1530 02:25:30,420 --> 02:25:36,160 Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what path is more right because they've gutted something 1531 02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:40,460 that took us five years of work and then I live with day to day and my neighbors all 1532 02:25:40,460 --> 02:25:45,040 live with day to day and it frankly doesn't, the multi-family is a big win. 1533 02:25:45,420 --> 02:25:56,400 Other than that, there's nothing here that helps those of us that live with 55% in short-term 1534 02:25:56,400 --> 02:26:03,040 about multifamily. So, the provision that I mentioned about the phased approach, 1535 02:26:03,960 --> 02:26:15,380 it would provide that prohibition on the un-hosted multi- in multifamily wouldn't occur 1536 02:26:15,380 --> 02:26:19,680 until the next renewal cycle. So, next year, number one. 1537 02:26:19,940 --> 02:26:22,660 Right. If it's certified after the renewal period. 1538 02:26:22,660 --> 02:26:35,520 So, and that's in section 9-4.4905 subsection V. And again, that's just unhosted in multi-family. 1539 02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:45,240 And we do share the concern about having two zones, and we do have very limited data. 1540 02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:53,340 But we do have data points between December and February. And what's interesting, and we have no ex, 1541 02:26:53,340 --> 02:26:58,060 We don't have a good explanation for is that STRs decreased in both zones. 1542 02:27:00,390 --> 02:27:04,250 Coastal and non-coastal, we didn't see a migration from one to the other. 1543 02:27:05,390 --> 02:27:10,170 It's a short sample, so I don't want to draw a complete conclusion to that. 1544 02:27:10,270 --> 02:27:12,450 But that is what we have in the Coastal Commission. 1545 02:27:12,610 --> 02:27:17,130 We signal to the people that we're going to make it economically unviable to do STRs, right? 1546 02:27:17,370 --> 02:27:21,190 That none of them had this information that's now before, that's when they were making that business decision. 1547 02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:28,030 So, I know someone, personally, who decided to remove the FTR because of the ordinance, 1548 02:27:28,210 --> 02:27:28,930 they saw coming down. 1549 02:27:33,210 --> 02:27:34,450 I think that's fine. 1550 02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:37,460 I'm clear. 1551 02:27:39,980 --> 02:27:40,920 May I comment? 1552 02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:42,520 I have to share. 1553 02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:49,220 So, yeah, it was an extremely long, challenging meeting. 1554 02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:51,940 I left my notes. 1555 02:27:52,120 --> 02:27:53,540 I sat up until 11 o'clock. 1556 02:27:53,540 --> 02:27:57,380 I think that I before the meeting and finally found the pad and I forgot it. 1557 02:27:57,380 --> 02:27:58,920 So I did them in the car and the way down there. 1558 02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:00,800 And they were very short and sweet. 1559 02:28:01,300 --> 02:28:03,540 And it's kind of good because the way this reads, 1560 02:28:03,960 --> 02:28:07,160 I would have probably gotten the ire of the commission. 1561 02:28:09,100 --> 02:28:12,020 But these two right here were stunning. 1562 02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:22,180 And I really loved Mr. Sharpen Tears shock and dismay. 1563 02:28:22,340 --> 02:28:23,580 I can't even think about the work. 1564 02:28:23,580 --> 02:28:31,720 or when that was you've never seen that unprecedented in your career, a decision like that 1565 02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:34,520 that was essentially done and then reversed. 1566 02:28:35,180 --> 02:28:44,760 It was on the fly, I think you wrote more director up the grave on the fly as you two 1567 02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:49,260 were commiserating on what to do next as it was happening. 1568 02:28:49,260 --> 02:28:56,460 So I really think that, and this has spoken to me on several members of the public, that 1569 02:28:56,460 --> 02:29:01,960 I think, and I surmise myself, that the people coming out of that meeting, I don't think 1570 02:29:01,960 --> 02:29:06,580 they were probably 10% of the people that came out of there with confidence, that they 1571 02:29:06,580 --> 02:29:08,580 were confident that they knew exactly what just occurred. 1572 02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:17,100 I believe that wholeheartedly, including the commissioners without a doubt, without a doubt. 1573 02:29:17,100 --> 02:29:26,880 It was unique. It was rather shocking and appalling at some of the things that turned out 1574 02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:32,120 from the public was amazing. I mean, it's not like we're just going down the street for 1575 02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:40,060 that meeting. So yeah, it was quite amazing to see, and I think again, there couldn't 1576 02:29:40,060 --> 02:29:50,420 been a better pitch from the city, from all involved, so it was quite amazing. What was 1577 02:29:50,420 --> 02:29:55,940 the, God, the one I had, I had a real zinger in here, someone I can remember what it was. 1578 02:29:55,940 --> 02:29:59,440 Oh, it was, yeah, I love a lot of it. It came through and 1579 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,120 I think one of my last things here is that it appears that the environmental justice lens suffers from severe cataracts. 1580 02:30:07,420 --> 02:30:14,740 Pacifica's vision is clear, equitable, and accommodating to all. And I think that was truly the ordinance. 1581 02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:24,160 And I think they were influenced, I think I believe their outside influence got the best of them, I really do, my opinion. 1582 02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:26,300 And so that's it, but thank you. 1583 02:30:31,980 --> 02:30:32,300 Okay. 1584 02:30:32,900 --> 02:30:39,740 Well, I want to make sure that some of the things that we heard in the study session just 1585 02:30:39,740 --> 02:30:43,440 get brought up for the record, so I'm going to start reading a couple of things in. 1586 02:30:44,340 --> 02:30:48,720 There was a discussion about gathering data points, I know that we've discussed that more 1587 02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:58,240 in this meeting, but I think that we had said that if we do go with option two, that we could 1588 02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:05,100 also discuss potentially adding more teeth to some of what we potentially have lost at 1589 02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:09,740 a future date and now we would gather data to staff need any more information or deliberation 1590 02:31:09,740 --> 02:31:12,380 on that before we move on to some of the other things. 1591 02:31:18,090 --> 02:31:28,970 It would be helpful to articulate more explicitly what you want it to say and then to just confirm 1592 02:31:28,970 --> 02:31:31,990 the consensus so that we get it right. 1593 02:31:36,530 --> 02:31:40,470 Commissioner Ferguson, I may defer to you a little bit on that. 1594 02:31:40,690 --> 02:31:42,370 I think that came out of one of your comments. 1595 02:31:42,830 --> 02:31:47,230 But I do think that we should start instead of saying coastal zone, 1596 02:31:47,350 --> 02:31:52,670 non-coastal zone, and amounts, we should start adding like a population density 1597 02:31:52,670 --> 02:31:54,030 to like proportion. 1598 02:31:55,110 --> 02:32:00,130 Like the 10% of the coastal zone homes are STRs versus like the 1% of the non-coastal. 1599 02:32:00,130 --> 02:32:03,310 whatever the actual percentages that we are taking away done. 1600 02:32:03,790 --> 02:32:08,270 I believe this whole process came out of squeaky wheel gets degrees, right, and the squeaky 1601 02:32:08,270 --> 02:32:13,750 wheel was by sharp park and even tonight, all west sharp park and p-drop point, and 1602 02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:16,990 these are the people who stood up and made this priority, and these are the people getting 1603 02:32:16,990 --> 02:32:20,810 least benefit from it, and now maybe it's one more year until they get any benefit from it, 1604 02:32:20,910 --> 02:32:25,150 so I'm just here advocating for my neighbors and family and friends, you know. 1605 02:32:28,480 --> 02:32:33,320 Also on that note, I know that we got slashed from 60 to 120. 1606 02:32:33,620 --> 02:32:39,240 We delivered it for a long time, about the 60 number, from 45 and 90, be great. 1607 02:32:39,820 --> 02:32:43,920 I don't know if it's a discussion to be had, I don't know how 120 came up. 1608 02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:45,480 I was out of the country when the meeting happened. 1609 02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:51,780 If there's a number more than 60 and less than 120, every one of them is better, right? 1610 02:32:52,100 --> 02:32:56,480 I mean, I think the 60 was basically developed in conjunction with the in being a primary 1611 02:32:56,480 --> 02:33:01,600 residents to like, hey, this is where it's economically a benefit to someone who's retired 1612 02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:06,860 and wants to make extra income but not run a for-profit business in her neighborhood as a hotel. 1613 02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:13,920 120 wasn't part of the discussion because that's still profitable if you bought your house for 1614 02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:17,720 half a million dollars to make $90,000 a year renting it out short-term. 1615 02:33:17,960 --> 02:33:25,740 So, if I may, and I actually, to the $90,000 a year, I'm not sure how you came to that, but 1616 02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:27,960 And I'm certainly not actually- 1617 02:33:27,960 --> 02:33:29,180 Average nightly rental time is 120. 1618 02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:30,340 What? 1619 02:33:30,680 --> 02:33:31,580 Average nightly rental time. 1620 02:33:31,580 --> 02:33:32,280 I did that too. 1621 02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:34,120 Maybe we came up with different average rentals. 1622 02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:36,980 I just, you know, asked the AI like everybody else does. 1623 02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:38,700 I broke my own rule. 1624 02:33:39,140 --> 02:33:41,540 But mine came, yeah, 120 time. 1625 02:33:41,640 --> 02:33:44,160 My average was 320, it's 30,000 a year. 1626 02:33:44,500 --> 02:33:46,480 And I certainly couldn't afford to pay a more, you know, 1627 02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:49,280 who's got a $3,000 mortgage in Pacifica. 1628 02:33:49,860 --> 02:33:55,820 But, but anyway, that being said, the original staff report 1629 02:33:55,820 --> 02:33:59,100 that was included in the study session packet, W-13B, 1630 02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:03,320 from the planning, the Coastal Commission staff, 1631 02:34:03,860 --> 02:34:06,620 they recommended striking the primary residency 1632 02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:09,200 and striking the 69th period. 1633 02:34:09,960 --> 02:34:12,680 And the Coastal commissioners, it's my understanding 1634 02:34:12,680 --> 02:34:14,080 and correct me if I'm wrong, 1635 02:34:14,820 --> 02:34:16,820 actually came back to the 120 days. 1636 02:34:16,820 --> 02:34:19,400 So they were, yeah, they were ready to leave it at, 1637 02:34:19,580 --> 02:34:23,340 the staff was recommending 365, no restriction whatsoever. 1638 02:34:23,340 --> 02:34:28,840 It came back during the meeting at 180, I believe that was Commissioner Wilson, that came back at 180. 1639 02:34:28,840 --> 02:34:33,220 But what they landed on was the one that carried that back down, most of that revenue was right, 1640 02:34:33,300 --> 02:34:37,240 it's a couple of weeks from the holidays and it's weekend, so you've now got every weekend, 1641 02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:41,720 plus you've got a few weeks, you can rent all the revenue days at 120 days. 1642 02:34:50,610 --> 02:34:54,790 Okay, I think that exhausts the data question. 1643 02:35:01,610 --> 02:35:05,270 Do you have more than to add into the microphone please? 1644 02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:07,650 I do not have this moment. 1645 02:35:10,410 --> 02:35:17,170 I have some ideas that I could compile for them if they'd like, but I don't. 1646 02:35:17,170 --> 02:35:19,070 Off the top of my head it's a little difficult. 1647 02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:25,810 I think the problem is we need to make a recommend, you know, like we need to at least have a majority 1648 02:35:25,810 --> 02:35:30,890 be concurred with what the ideas are? Do you want to think about it and come back to that? 1649 02:35:30,890 --> 02:35:39,410 Chair House, if I may interrupt, it's not clear to us at the table what is what you're working 1650 02:35:39,410 --> 02:35:46,750 towards specifying. In terms of data, I mean, you heard during the study session that that would 1651 02:35:46,750 --> 02:35:55,230 be something that the city does with or without a planning commission recommendation, so that's not 1652 02:35:55,230 --> 02:35:59,310 Not necessarily something that needs to be included in the Planning Commission's recommendation. 1653 02:35:59,770 --> 02:36:05,670 You can, of course, but that's not specifically necessary for this item. 1654 02:36:06,390 --> 02:36:06,590 Okay. 1655 02:36:07,310 --> 02:36:15,010 I think what I would like, if you don't need more for us on this and that we can move to the next step. 1656 02:36:15,010 --> 02:36:25,010 Yeah, and I think there is an opportunity to provide more information certainly to planning staff in the future if people think of things that could be helpful. 1657 02:36:25,010 --> 02:36:26,730 that could be done separately. 1658 02:36:29,710 --> 02:36:35,810 Chair House, earlier in our planning commission meeting, you mentioned wanting to provide 1659 02:36:35,810 --> 02:36:41,430 in our recommendation to council potentially some alternative language. 1660 02:36:41,870 --> 02:36:51,570 If a question regarding that was the idea you had just to document in the record some of the 1661 02:36:51,570 --> 02:37:03,850 The alternative ideas or requests that we have, but with the likely understanding that council may put forth what was already red line tonight. 1662 02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:17,310 Yeah, I think that, and I'm going to ask Director Up to be able to check me on this, but I think that what I heard was that the red line that we have is already been shared with the Coastal Commission. 1663 02:37:17,310 --> 02:37:23,370 And we're feeling a degree of confidence that at least staff feels comfortable with 1664 02:37:23,370 --> 02:37:24,470 the language in the red line. 1665 02:37:24,970 --> 02:37:30,010 So any of the language that I think Commissioner Ferguson had asked about are like my reversal 1666 02:37:30,010 --> 02:37:31,950 of how we say it. 1667 02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:34,190 My discussion will be for the next thing after this. 1668 02:37:34,490 --> 02:37:34,630 Right. 1669 02:37:35,310 --> 02:37:42,550 And so I think that my personal recommendation, but there are six of us here tonight, is that 1670 02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:46,630 that we don't change the red line and that we make sure that we do the kind of safer 1671 02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:55,870 alternate too. But that if we do have, there is nothing from our planning commission resolution 1672 02:37:55,870 --> 02:38:00,250 that's going to really go to the council commission. This is for the record, this is for 1673 02:38:00,250 --> 02:38:07,130 council and if we do have comments like, hey, we should really look into creating a specific 1674 02:38:07,130 --> 02:38:12,150 specific or a neighborhood by neighborhood specific quota, or that we should do this 1675 02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:17,370 by population density or whatever, you can do it and hear safely in the resolution. 1676 02:38:20,110 --> 02:38:29,530 So almost like saying we agree with what staff is recommending, but we also want these 1677 02:38:29,530 --> 02:38:32,150 things considered for the future. 1678 02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:35,450 Yeah, I think I 1679 02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:42,640 mean I think we get either out of a warehouse statement or in the now 1680 02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:48,840 therefore, but the thing that we're recommending is still the new ordinance with the right 1681 02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:49,080 lines. 1682 02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:49,280 Right. 1683 02:38:54,030 --> 02:38:54,630 Okay. 1684 02:38:55,090 --> 02:38:56,090 Do you have more on that? 1685 02:38:59,090 --> 02:39:06,790 I wanted to go to the community comment we got about striking C little Roman numeral 1 out 1686 02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:07,830 of our resolution. 1687 02:39:08,910 --> 02:39:13,650 I concur that the furbiage of- 1688 02:39:13,650 --> 02:39:15,050 Could we get a page number? 1689 02:39:15,150 --> 02:39:16,650 Oh, I'm sorry, page five. 1690 02:39:16,890 --> 02:39:20,090 Section C, little Roman numeral I, of the new resolution. 1691 02:39:20,730 --> 02:39:22,410 Also, the old resolution. 1692 02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:44,580 So I think the idea was that the little Roman numeral I would 1693 02:39:44,580 --> 02:39:50,040 be stricken or at least the preservation 1694 02:39:52,940 --> 02:39:59,840 I don't think it helps to have that section, and I would be totally for striking the whole portion. 1695 02:40:02,410 --> 02:40:02,870 CHAIR POWELL. 1696 02:40:05,970 --> 02:40:19,970 Chair House, that Rominet 1, that supports the consistency determination with general plan policy, CDG3. 1697 02:40:22,330 --> 02:40:31,010 So if that doesn't, if the planning commission does not believe that that supports the general 1698 02:40:31,010 --> 02:40:35,730 planning consistency determination, is there alternative language that can be crafted? 1699 02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:42,490 I think the offending language was the clause to 120 days, so by limiting the number of 1700 02:40:42,490 --> 02:40:49,870 of un-hosted rentals, comma, and just getting rid of 220 days was the kind of least that 1701 02:40:49,870 --> 02:40:55,460 we would need to do to re-establish the spirit of what the original. 1702 02:40:56,660 --> 02:41:01,500 Right, so I would suggest just removing the 120 days because the rest of the sentences 1703 02:41:02,580 --> 02:41:07,540 to expanded operating regulations that address potential neighborhood impacts such as noise, 1704 02:41:07,880 --> 02:41:08,460 litter, and parking. 1705 02:41:09,580 --> 02:41:10,180 Okay. 1706 02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:12,140 Is there consensus on the Dias? 1707 02:41:12,140 --> 02:41:12,320 Yes. 1708 02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:13,420 I think that works. 1709 02:41:13,560 --> 02:41:14,180 It does support. 1710 02:41:14,760 --> 02:41:15,520 C, gentlemen. 1711 02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:16,260 One. 1712 02:41:16,600 --> 02:41:17,040 Two. 1713 02:41:17,420 --> 02:41:17,920 Three. 1714 02:41:18,020 --> 02:41:18,300 Four. 1715 02:41:18,540 --> 02:41:18,740 Five. 1716 02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,120 Marge anything else? 1717 02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:22,760 Hmm. 1718 02:41:23,260 --> 02:41:23,360 Okay. 1719 02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:24,660 Okay. 1720 02:41:25,080 --> 02:41:26,280 So that was on the list. 1721 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:36,560 We had two council members, very specifically, ask us to go three council members, very specifically, 1722 02:41:36,820 --> 02:41:40,920 go to option two out of the four that we're here at the study session. 1723 02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:46,540 and I wrote a note from council member beer that said get as many protections into place 1724 02:41:46,540 --> 02:41:52,600 as possible. I think she's saying that that was a little option too dead. So, I mean 1725 02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:58,240 that's kind of the list that I heard and we have the community comments that we heard 1726 02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:05,620 at the study session being put into the record. So they're more deliberate. Does there 1727 02:42:05,620 --> 02:42:10,820 anything else that staff would like us to discuss or to reiterate from the study session 1728 02:42:10,820 --> 02:42:11,560 for the record. 1729 02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:21,690 Thank you Chair House. I think the planning commission has covered discussion 1730 02:42:21,690 --> 02:42:30,810 of options one and two, as well as provided some potential recommendations for future ordinances. 1731 02:42:35,570 --> 02:42:45,170 Then does anyone up here have additional items or anything that they would like to change in the 1732 02:42:45,170 --> 02:42:46,950 resolution or include. 1733 02:42:51,440 --> 02:42:56,100 I would recommend that we say a later date ask council to consider. 1734 02:42:56,480 --> 02:43:03,620 Is there a way to just add a note to note at the end that just says, you know, we urge 1735 02:43:03,620 --> 02:43:12,540 council to consider a later date prioritizing these constituent issues like everyone by 1736 02:43:12,540 --> 02:43:20,800 The neighborhood quotas reducing the number of nights or re-incentivizing the, I don't know if it's going to be a non-star close 1737 02:43:20,800 --> 02:43:23,060 inflammation to have hosted versus un-hosted. 1738 02:43:23,380 --> 02:43:24,680 It's not going in the ordinance. 1739 02:43:25,060 --> 02:43:31,840 I mean, if council wanted to put it in the ordinance, but we're not making a recommendation or changing the recommended ordinance council. 1740 02:43:33,260 --> 02:43:40,680 I think you could put every one in the resolution and I would just ask that you propose it in a way that the city attorney thinks it's logical. 1741 02:43:40,680 --> 02:43:45,800 Yeah, and so we were discussing at the side table that, you know, the planning commission 1742 02:43:45,800 --> 02:43:54,400 can make a motion to adopt the resolution that's before the planning commission as modified 1743 02:43:54,400 --> 02:44:03,020 by staff to be consistent with option two and also provide comments to the council as follows 1744 02:44:03,020 --> 02:44:08,240 and the comments can be listed out so that the comments aren't in the resolution itself but 1745 02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:10,440 but the comments will be presented to the council. 1746 02:44:13,580 --> 02:44:15,980 So, again, it is up to the planning commission. 1747 02:44:16,420 --> 02:44:18,400 What those comments or those points are. 1748 02:44:19,560 --> 02:44:21,640 I mean, I feel like there's one key one 1749 02:44:21,640 --> 02:44:24,360 that we keep talking about, but I think it needs to be stated 1750 02:44:24,360 --> 02:44:25,660 the way you'd like to hear it. 1751 02:44:25,820 --> 02:44:26,180 And then I think we can talk about that. 1752 02:44:26,260 --> 02:44:28,240 If I can spit something out and we can decide 1753 02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:29,540 if we have consensus on it. 1754 02:44:30,400 --> 02:44:33,960 Before you do, did we decide which whereas this would belong? 1755 02:44:34,300 --> 02:44:35,860 I'm thinking the last one. 1756 02:44:35,860 --> 02:44:38,480 in our Planning Commission resolution? 1757 02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:47,740 Well, the language that Commissioner Ferguson's about to recommend that we add into Planning 1758 02:44:47,740 --> 02:44:52,520 Commission's resolution for tonight's meeting, I just want to make sure we're all on 1759 02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:54,940 the same page of where it would go for context. 1760 02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:59,760 I'm thinking it would go on page 4, the last whereas. 1761 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:17,600 Which discuss this planning commission meeting? Yeah, it can go there, or it can be verbally said as part of the motion. It doesn't have to go in the resolution. These items for consideration. I feel it will hold more weight in the resolution. I don't know if others agree. 1762 02:45:19,740 --> 02:45:31,440 I agree with you. I just want to do the least time consuming, risky thing to our timeline and our mission. Yeah. I mean, this resolution 1763 02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:35,100 pollution correct me if I'm wrong director up to great but this isn't going to be 1764 02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:39,960 the question it's the coastal commission so it is really just for the council but of 1765 02:45:39,960 --> 02:45:44,240 course it will be part of the record so we want to be cognizant of that it is 1766 02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:52,760 included in the any executed action showing the legislative history gets 1767 02:45:52,760 --> 02:45:56,520 included okay so then there you go I don't see how it would jeopardize 1768 02:45:56,520 --> 02:45:58,820 So if it's not affecting your legislation. 1769 02:45:59,580 --> 02:45:59,980 To you. 1770 02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:03,200 I think we're hearing that if we goes into the record, 1771 02:46:03,940 --> 02:46:05,240 I would be overlooked. 1772 02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:08,480 I don't want to throw the baby out with bath water. 1773 02:46:11,160 --> 02:46:11,600 Compitulate. 1774 02:46:12,520 --> 02:46:15,520 On, honestly, I think that we as a planning commission 1775 02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:17,560 do a lot of things that are long-term planning 1776 02:46:17,560 --> 02:46:20,800 and that are, you know, approving projects that happen 1777 02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:22,200 in the very long term. 1778 02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:24,220 And this is a very unique position we're in, 1779 02:46:24,220 --> 02:46:28,320 where the choice that we make tonight or the recommendation we make tonight has immediate 1780 02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:34,760 impacts on the people that live here and their enjoyment of their homes, especially in the 1781 02:46:34,760 --> 02:46:40,600 coastal zone. So I want to be very cognizant that this is not, like we're not in a position 1782 02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:45,720 here where we want to, like we heard every single person that came up here essentially say 1783 02:46:45,720 --> 02:46:50,880 that they would like to go with option two for right now. I don't think we want to talk right now. 1784 02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:56,100 I'm comfortable not mending this at all and just having this be a hill to die on a future council meetings and 1785 02:46:56,980 --> 02:47:01,160 You know, I know these people. I know where to get a hold of them. We've all gotten hold of them gotten this far 1786 02:47:01,160 --> 02:47:04,140 Let's have a list that goes into the staff report as 1787 02:47:04,620 --> 02:47:05,020 Commission 1788 02:47:05,900 --> 02:47:10,500 Commission topics that we ask for recommendation by the or we ask for consideration by council 1789 02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:13,080 And I think you should see 1790 02:47:13,080 --> 02:47:18,160 Through the chair there there are a couple of ways we could accomplish this 1791 02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:21,000 we'd probably rather not have it in the resolution, 1792 02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:23,420 but you could also make a motion, 1793 02:47:23,720 --> 02:47:26,840 approve the resolution as amended, the 120 days amendment, 1794 02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:31,220 and then say also include in the staff report 1795 02:47:31,220 --> 02:47:34,060 these comments, or you could just direct us 1796 02:47:34,060 --> 02:47:36,780 to include these comments in the council staff report, 1797 02:47:37,960 --> 02:47:39,640 which we will faithfully do, 1798 02:47:40,280 --> 02:47:42,440 recognizing that they are comments 1799 02:47:42,440 --> 02:47:45,300 and not necessarily the full force 1800 02:47:45,300 --> 02:47:46,340 of the planning commission. 1801 02:47:46,340 --> 02:47:47,300 Okay. 1802 02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:56,850 You just, for some reason, like struck a brainquard, do we need to designate a liaison from this 1803 02:47:56,850 --> 02:47:59,810 special meeting to the council meeting? 1804 02:48:00,090 --> 02:48:00,570 98. 1805 02:48:01,590 --> 02:48:02,030 Or 98. 1806 02:48:02,830 --> 02:48:03,330 Or 98. 1807 02:48:03,590 --> 02:48:03,950 Good question. 1808 02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:04,730 Yeah. 1809 02:48:08,590 --> 02:48:09,910 So, unfortunately, it's not. 1810 02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:14,520 So, unfortunately, that's not on the agenda. 1811 02:48:15,180 --> 02:48:19,900 And the Planning Commission typically agendas those designations. 1812 02:48:20,380 --> 02:48:25,000 The planning commissioners can certainly attend the council meeting where these are going to be considered. 1813 02:48:31,610 --> 02:48:34,410 It was on the agenda, okay. 1814 02:48:37,260 --> 02:48:39,360 Neighborhood specific quotas would do it all for me. 1815 02:48:42,740 --> 02:48:47,960 Now, I think we should address the 120 days, but that's the issue for later, and 1816 02:48:48,500 --> 02:48:53,120 always I thought the best approach would be to do neighborhood by neighborhood, because otherwise you get what we have. 1817 02:48:53,260 --> 02:48:57,240 We have where 50% of one neighborhood is search or rentals and 0% of another neighborhood. 1818 02:48:58,140 --> 02:48:59,200 That's the whole problem. 1819 02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:06,120 Another thing I would suggest we add, both Lauren and I asked about it, about resubmitting to the Coastal Commission. 1820 02:49:06,540 --> 02:49:09,460 We know it can't be done right away, and we need to collect some data. 1821 02:49:10,180 --> 02:49:18,800 And I think that we could use their staff report, like I said, as a basis for how we might resubmit so 1822 02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:25,420 that we do try and get the same protections in the coastal zone as we have in the rest of the city. 1823 02:49:26,320 --> 02:49:28,200 So I would add that to the list. 1824 02:49:28,200 --> 02:49:31,800 more as a foresight for Council. 1825 02:49:32,340 --> 02:49:32,460 Yes. 1826 02:49:32,780 --> 02:49:33,160 Okay. 1827 02:49:36,660 --> 02:49:37,260 For future. 1828 02:49:37,420 --> 02:49:37,560 Yeah. 1829 02:49:38,100 --> 02:49:53,900 I would ask that where the amount of STRs are reported out as like 45 in the non-coastal and 52 or whatever the numbers are that those are also reported out as percentage of the homes in that zone. 1830 02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:58,080 For percentage of single family homes going forward, right? 1831 02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:06,680 And I did have a question that I just remembered from one of the public comment. 1832 02:50:07,320 --> 02:50:09,180 I want to, oh, Denise is listening great. 1833 02:50:09,620 --> 02:50:13,360 So I believe there's a, well, no, and I know you guys need to do that. 1834 02:50:14,340 --> 02:50:20,240 So there is, I thought there was, and I read so much this weekend, and I came, I was hopped 1835 02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:20,360 up. 1836 02:50:20,740 --> 02:50:21,540 I'll tell you. 1837 02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:23,800 I'm sitting here like, no, I don't have any questions. 1838 02:50:24,140 --> 02:50:29,520 It's because option two is what my brain kept saying, why can't we just do this, right? 1839 02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:37,780 So, I got to view it as we get what we can get now, and if it's approved by the 30th by 1840 02:50:37,780 --> 02:50:43,500 Coastal Commission, then now we have those protections except for the heart of it. 1841 02:50:43,860 --> 02:50:48,140 Sorry, I agree with you, it gutted it, but we still have some protections in place. 1842 02:50:48,740 --> 02:50:53,900 And one of them, it seems to me I read that owner couldn't own more, that there's some limit 1843 02:50:53,900 --> 02:50:55,500 on how many units they can own. 1844 02:50:56,180 --> 02:50:57,160 Is that true? 1845 02:50:57,160 --> 02:51:01,700 because operator can only operate one. 1846 02:51:02,540 --> 02:51:08,040 So that brings me back to Caitlyn's comment about this person that has 10 of them. 1847 02:51:09,460 --> 02:51:12,640 And would that reflect in the permits? 1848 02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:17,380 I mean, is that something that would be easily caught during the permit process if this 1849 02:51:17,380 --> 02:51:24,080 did indeed get approved that we could then maybe take some sort of action about not renewing 1850 02:51:24,080 --> 02:51:30,100 all those permits for the various locations, kind of a hypothetical but based on her comment. 1851 02:51:30,880 --> 02:51:31,780 I was curious about that. 1852 02:51:31,900 --> 02:51:37,640 That's assuming that it gets approved by the October deadline, by the CCC. 1853 02:51:38,340 --> 02:51:42,560 So a single operator can only hold one SCR per man. 1854 02:51:43,020 --> 02:51:43,300 Okay. 1855 02:51:45,720 --> 02:51:53,840 There may be some clever folks who try to do things with other institutions to try to hide 1856 02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:54,120 that. 1857 02:51:54,120 --> 02:51:56,820 but we do our best to try to find out. 1858 02:51:57,180 --> 02:51:57,360 Okay. 1859 02:51:59,220 --> 02:52:01,340 She had also mentioned that there's people operating 1860 02:52:01,340 --> 02:52:02,200 without a permit. 1861 02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:03,160 Is that something? 1862 02:52:03,860 --> 02:52:06,760 How do you guys monitor that or how does that? 1863 02:52:07,940 --> 02:52:12,720 It's a somewhat separate issue in terms of enforcement. 1864 02:52:14,180 --> 02:52:16,740 SDR operators are required to have a permit. 1865 02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:23,360 And code enforcement, we work with a third party 1866 02:52:23,360 --> 02:52:33,120 with HDL on our monitoring and enforcement, and so we do have active cases of people operating STRs without a permit. 1867 02:52:46,350 --> 02:52:48,950 I'm trying to understand where to go for it. There's no motion to make, is there? 1868 02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:56,810 There is a motion to make, and we should put the option to. I'm going to be presumptuous as no one has correct me otherwise. 1869 02:52:57,310 --> 02:52:59,070 We should put the option to motion on the screen. 1870 02:53:00,170 --> 02:53:07,370 We should make sure that we are incorporating the recommendation to strike the language 1871 02:53:07,370 --> 02:53:14,570 in little Roman numeral one of Section C, and everything else seems to be outside of 1872 02:53:14,570 --> 02:53:15,170 the resolution. 1873 02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:18,770 And so if we are done, then someone should feel free to make motion. 1874 02:53:20,090 --> 02:53:21,330 I know it's going to 1875 02:53:28,690 --> 02:53:28,690 be fine. 1876 02:53:28,690 --> 02:53:28,730 Okay. 1877 02:53:31,450 --> 02:53:32,410 It's got a red line. 1878 02:53:32,410 --> 02:53:33,290 Probably the right one. 1879 02:53:33,290 --> 02:53:44,470 I would just, yeah, I would just make sure to add to the motion, what Chair Halter said about the resolution and then the recommendations to council. 1880 02:53:48,020 --> 02:53:48,820 Yes, it can be an issue. 1881 02:53:49,460 --> 02:53:57,240 Do you want us to restate what we heard roughly, general terms for the recommendations to communicate to council? 1882 02:53:57,480 --> 02:53:58,440 I think that'd be wonderful. 1883 02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:10,040 So it was analyzed, and we'll go back and listen to the tape, but in general analyze the data and consider resubmitting in the future for the same protections in the coastal zone as the non-coastal zone. 1884 02:54:11,100 --> 02:54:23,580 And then for the data collection, prepare data that show the coastal zone as well as non-coastal zone as well as the percentage of housing in each district to show the different proportionality. 1885 02:54:23,580 --> 02:54:24,520 I do 1886 02:54:27,050 --> 02:54:30,630 because as noted there is a concentration in the coastal zone. 1887 02:54:31,470 --> 02:54:37,810 And I would add that one of the things I thought I heard was including exploring neighborhood caps and quotas. 1888 02:54:37,870 --> 02:54:41,190 Yes, I was just going to say that I believe that was Commissioner Ferguson's. 1889 02:54:45,210 --> 02:54:47,950 You haven't beaten that drum for five years, so maybe. 1890 02:54:48,670 --> 02:54:50,510 Hope we just tuned it out. 1891 02:54:52,760 --> 02:54:59,980 So we'll enumerate those in the staff report as additional comments received from planning commissioners. 1892 02:55:01,320 --> 02:55:02,360 Thank you. 1893 02:55:06,660 --> 02:55:12,440 I move we adopt a resolution initiating text amendment TA131-26 and recommending that 1894 02:55:12,440 --> 02:55:16,600 the city council approve the text amendments as modified to differentiate between two 1895 02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:20,720 areas within the coastal zone as necessary to implement certain provisions of the local 1896 02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:25,460 coastal program as certified with modifications by the Coastal Commission at their August 1897 02:55:25,460 --> 02:55:33,080 12, 2026 hearing and find the adoption of the ordinance exempt from CEQA including recommendations 1898 02:55:33,080 --> 02:55:34,760 as read back by staff. 1899 02:55:36,140 --> 02:55:36,940 So our second. 1900 02:55:38,860 --> 02:55:39,720 All second. 1901 02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:41,360 All right, please vote. 1902 02:55:41,720 --> 02:55:42,200 Roll call. 1903 02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:43,620 Roll call. 1904 02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:44,100 Yep. 1905 02:55:44,700 --> 02:55:46,380 On that motion, Chair House or? 1906 02:55:46,480 --> 02:55:46,720 Yes. 1907 02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:47,680 Vice Chair Burman. 1908 02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:48,260 Yes. 1909 02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:49,200 Commissioner Ferguson. 1910 02:55:49,660 --> 02:55:49,820 Yes. 1911 02:55:50,060 --> 02:55:50,760 Commissioner Redfield. 1912 02:55:51,140 --> 02:55:51,260 Yes. 1913 02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:52,200 Commissioner Sanchez. 1914 02:55:52,480 --> 02:55:52,620 Yes. 1915 02:55:52,880 --> 02:55:53,500 Commissioner Davis. 1916 02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:53,820 Yes. 1917 02:55:54,500 --> 02:55:55,160 That motion passes. 1918 02:55:56,080 --> 02:55:56,500 Okay. 1919 02:55:56,780 --> 02:55:59,400 I'm just going to reiterate the thank you that we've kind of given. 1920 02:55:59,400 --> 02:56:01,740 and this was a much different conversation tonight, 1921 02:56:01,740 --> 02:56:03,360 then I think we all were prepared for, 1922 02:56:03,440 --> 02:56:05,240 so thank you to stop for making that happen. 1923 02:56:05,800 --> 02:56:08,100 And now does anyone have a motion to adjourn? 1924 02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:09,380 So moved. 1925 02:56:10,280 --> 02:56:12,220 Second, all right, let's roll call vote please. 1926 02:56:12,580 --> 02:56:13,520 On that motion, Chair Hauser. 1927 02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:13,920 Yes. 1928 02:56:14,420 --> 02:56:15,140 Vice Chair Burman. 1929 02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:16,180 Yes. 1930 02:56:16,520 --> 02:56:17,260 Commissioner Ferguson. 1931 02:56:17,460 --> 02:56:18,640 Yes, Commissioner Redfield. 1932 02:56:19,120 --> 02:56:20,180 Yes, Commissioner Sanchez. 1933 02:56:20,440 --> 02:56:20,560 Yes. 1934 02:56:20,840 --> 02:56:21,400 Commissioner Davis. 1935 02:56:21,640 --> 02:56:21,740 Yes. 1936 02:56:22,340 --> 02:56:23,120 All right, we're adjourned. 1937 02:56:23,180 --> 02:56:23,480 Thank you.