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So Brooks and Maddie were heading up our working on acquiring a portion of Reservoir Hill.

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So I didn't know if you guys wanted to speak first or lead this work session or if you'd

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rather I just turn it over to Darren and Amanda.

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Yeah, I know they've got a slideshow for us.

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I'll just say real quick in introduction

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for after their slideshow and our discussion here

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that the GOKO Recreation Oriented Funding might not

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depend just on our preserving the land,

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but also on showing how the site would be used,

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managed, and aligned with our broader recreational planning.

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And so a clearer use management framework really strengthens our argument for funding.

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And so that's kind of what we're trying to focus on here today.

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Okay.

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Did you have any comments you wanted to make?

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Okay.

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We'll turn it over to you.

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All right.

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Well, thank you.

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So as you all recall, when we started talking about the land acquisition up on Redskill,

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what was available. It was 491 total acres up there. There was a forest legacy

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grant that some of the qualifications were 75% of the amount of acres you were

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going to purchase had to be forest. So we carved out about 300 acres up there.

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And last Friday, we were notified that, well, there was over $300 million worth of projects

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proposed, and $86 million was accepted right now on the president's list, which included

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11 projects, and Reservoir Hill was one of them.

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And that funding would be for $5,875,000.

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Now, it doesn't mean we have it.

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What that means is, though, it's a great first step.

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This now has to go to Congress.

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And that entire package hopefully gets approved.

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And all of those 11 projects are then funded

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for that total of about 86 million, yes.

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You're probably going to tell us,

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but do we need to be writing letters to our congressman?

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Kelly.

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Amanda and I are meeting with Kelly Ingrison on Thursday.

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On Thursday, yeah.

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So we'll talk about that for sure.

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More specific.

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Our next steps is.

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Okay.

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I mean as like individuals.

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I think community members.

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I think, because we did submit

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get over 25 letters of support to get this grant, which Kelly was very impressed with.

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So I do think, you know, more is not going to hurt. So, but we will get direction from

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Kelly. I definitely have that question too. Is it time to start writing?

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Is it Department of Interior or whose budget is it at the Fed level?

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So this is federal funding? Yeah, but who? It's agriculture. Okay.

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Yeah, and so that makes a difference in terms of the letters. That's why I was asking sure and so yeah

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So it would be through the forest legacy. So it is gonna

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Colorado State Forest legacy

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Do you have a cost on just the 300 acres? So

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Negotiations will now start taking place with the landowner. So we don't have a total price yet

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We know that that number that was awarded

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I can tell you it's not going to cover the 300 acres, but that difference is still out

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there anticipating maybe one to two more million, but we don't know that.

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We don't know where the landowners stand with this, but this certainly shows an incredible

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first step in a sense of significant step forward in regards to acquiring the 300 acres.

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Man and I are both just people on about a very pumped about where we stand right now with things and and

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How it looks for the future in regards to acquiring that

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Master clarifying question real quickly that the entire

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The entire area was 491 correct, but right now. We're simply talking about the 300

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The other 191 is still out there and that's still on the table and we're still looking

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at how we can acquire that as well.

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That is through, you know, some fundraising here and there and just if there's any other

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grants we'll continue to look at, but the main focus right now is trying to lock in

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the 300 while still seeing what we could do with the other 191.

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Thank you.

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I'm sorry I interrupted.

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Go ahead with your presentation.

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No, it's just fine.

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Well, that gives the update kind of where we stand with Res Hill.

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Amanda's put together a quick little slideshow.

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What we would like to do is kind of give you an overview of Parks and Rec.

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What we have, where we're heading, visions that you may have with Love Input

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but as well as, you know, just talking about what's been accomplished through, I mean,

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she went back to 06 surveys of what the community was looking for, and with those surveys, what's

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kind of been accomplished as well since then, and again, and where we need to move forward

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with some of this stuff.

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So I'm going to turn this over to Amanda and let her go with this.

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So yeah, I just want to give us kind of like a starting platform for what we already have

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for parks and what we have accomplished.

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So Park Directory, we manage over 150 acres of park space.

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We have a total of 12 town parks, six are riverfront, and we have over five miles of

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riverwalk.

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I included that we have two specialty parks our school parks because we do have

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an MOU with the school district that we can use Dakota Springs for biking and

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running trails and then same with the high school softball fields so I just

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wanted to point that out you know we have seven park staff and one part time

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that manages all this space we also have 329 recorded trees within our

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parks and this does not include any of our trees at Reds Hill. This is all trees within

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our corridor of our parks and kind of landscaping along the Riverwalk and two wetlands. One is the

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main Riverwalk here and then we are going to have kind of another wetland area in South Yamaguchi

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kind of towards this fall. So the code of springs is where behind the high school it's that hill

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side. There's about a three mile trail system back there. I was not aware it was called the

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Cody Springs. At the active core group, what I was calling our athletic fields and sports facilities,

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the highlights are Yamaguchi Park is 27 total acres. As you guys know, we installed pickle

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ballcourts there, we have the skate park and the pump track, and we've added a lot of outdoor

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exercise equipment, cornhole, bachi ball, fastball court, climbing wall, just basically made this

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Yamaguchi, our central fully action-packed play zone, and we are looking to add a bike

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skills park coming up in spring of 2026, probably start that in May. We also have South

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Pagosa Park about three and a half acres and that's just kind of your open neighborhood

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spot that we have green space. We did take all the fencing down from the multi-purpose

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pavilion and have basketball courts and might kind of revise that a little bit but we just

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added some more sand for volleyball and just really kind of making South Park a little

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a little refresh. And then the iconic, you know, pirate ship town park in

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athletic fields. That's about six total acres that we have. That's really kind of

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like the heart of downtown park. The adventure hubs are kind of our

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reshill, our natural parks. We have 110 acres currently up there with miles of

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hiking and biking trails. There's great mountain observation views there.

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18 hole first week off course and then of course we had as a festival venue at

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some points like to get that back.

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We do we we haven't been able to groom them I

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was thinking quite I think more like the because like Nordic Club has more

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used Yamaguchi for grooming more recently so I'd highlight that more as

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at the Yamaguchi Winter use, but great point.

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There's also a Reservoir Hill ski club, I believe, correct?

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First-time quick laps when we get good snow, absolutely.

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And we have recently added a labyrinth at the very top, and if you haven't been up to

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the top, we'll check that out.

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You added a what?

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A labyrinth.

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A labyrinth.

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All the way at the top.

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A lamp all the way at the very top.

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Kind of at the radio tower along the Mary Fisher Loop.

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We're gonna announce it more as like a big opening sometime in May, just been

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waiting for the guys to finish that up and make it. What is the labyrinth? Will

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David Bowie be making an appearance? So we have one at Yamaguchi Park. It's that

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walk-around like maze, you kind of walk around in a circle and there's always

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like one. Yeah. People use it as like a meditation. Yes. Oh okay. Yeah. I didn't

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but we do have that.

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After these meetings, we usually sit down there and walk it.

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Oh, thank you, dear friend.

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And then we have five miles of, at least over five miles of river walk that really connects

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everything to our parks, the downtown areas.

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It's a great observation area for the wetlands and a birding area.

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There's tons of spots to sit and relax along the route with benches.

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And then I wanted to highlight just a little bit because it's something we don't really think about, but like history and culture, we have public art along our river walk.

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We do have it specifically in parks, but I wanted to highlight, you know, that you guys have put a lot of effort and money in towards creating that vibrant artistic walk along the river walk.

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And then, lastly, we have the river corridor, which we have a lot of river connectivity and

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riverfront access, which is pretty awesome for having San Juan run right through downtown.

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One of the highlights is that we are working on having that pedestrian bridge cross kind

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of from the river center area to First Street over by the museum, hopefully by fall

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of 2026.

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And then same with, we will be working on the new river park.

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They started doing the ramp recently so you can get boats in and out on that east end.

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So that will get improvement this spring into summer.

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And then hopefully by fall, we will have some improvements that the South Yamaguchi take out.

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So we do have great river connectivity now. And as I looked back at surveys, those are things back in 2006 that we were really looking for.

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and we've really connected the dots. So, you know, great work on you guys, part for

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keeping that momentum and going.

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Overall trends that I came from all these surveys of reading is people are looking for

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diverse amenities. One of the biggest things was dual age group focus. So you could have

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young kids to older adults all enjoying the same space. Open space preservation was

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was a huge one in land acquisition through kind of across the board. Keeping that natural

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wild setting around Pagosa was really important in a lot of our surveys. And then last one

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which I think we've all heard is kind of adapting to our shoulder seasons and having

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all season activities with a rec center and swimming pool, some type of indoor facility

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that accommodates more than what we currently are accommodating at the

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community center. And then overall that trend to connectivity into our trails is

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making sure for for over two decades that we have more trails, more

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connectivity to get to our parks and still connecting town to Pugosa Lakes. So

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our uptown to downtown trails were kind of our overall needs. With

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considerations of kind of things that our department has been looking at and kind of in

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this near future is, you know, uptown parks. We've seen a need that the west side of

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uptown Pugosa doesn't have any parks. You know, we do have Coleman veterans and PLPOA has

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park and trails, but the town doesn't have any parks that they are managing up there.

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where the sheep heard that part the trail is not that that is that is the

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section that we have we manage so yeah that is one section and have it on the

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slide later

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sure and when we when I say when we talk about uptown parks we're really like

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There's some classifications of what type of parks we're looking for, and I would say we're looking for more community or neighborhood parks, which are larger and acreage than the one.

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Yeah, and like a mini pocket part so.

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Connectivity, you know, we're still really looking to kind of close that gap on Town to

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Lakes Trail. I know Kyle has really been working on 10th to Great Wells, correct, to see how

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we can get funding and finish that section. So we're one section closer getting uptown,

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but we're still trying to find everything we can for that.

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We presented to you guys

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of the joint work session, looking for revenue streams, something that makes revenue through

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our parks that can help kind of provide our infrastructure so that we can continue to provide

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recreation services throughout Pagosa. We also identified by gathering with the park,

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it's working with partners because we find community groups have needs and when we build

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of those partnerships, we can support a lot more funding

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and long-term management solutions.

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So those are kind of the considerations

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that we have in the back of our head

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of what's been coming up from the community.

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But these are kind of the future recommendations

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that we've been trying to chat about is,

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you know, it's not probably new to NAVU,

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but multi-purpose civilian RV and camping locations

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that are in town. Shooting range facility. We've been looking at more outdoor shooting range,

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but we also are going to kind of talk a little bit about an indoor shooting range that could use

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for police training. Sports complex that are a little bit bigger than just our one ball field

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or having to use the high schools ball fields to host tournaments. And then a recreation

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center that provides a public access swimming pool. The locations we identified

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obviously rest ill as the spot that we're looking to expand. Part of that is

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that skyrocket trailhead area that we formerly known as Goodman's Park.

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Rumbraw Bridge and the museum area behind the museum. There's some really

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cool opportunities that we could create mini parks in there and Kyle

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and I have been looking at funding for projects like that.

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And then Cotton Hole's expansion,

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looking at maybe the other side of Cotton Hole,

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if there's things that we could do there.

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So I believe that's all I have for

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getting us on the page of staff recommendation,

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but you guys can't really read this.

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Sorry.

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This is just a page of basically kind of amenities

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and what parks we have with the acres.

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So if you guys do have questions

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and want to know stuff,

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if I can zoom in and tell you that,

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but trying to make that difference for you all.

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So when we acquired Bob's LP,

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that parcel had been specifically identified in,

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what was it, the 2012 River Corridor Master Plan.

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Are there any other highlights

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that you know off the top of your head

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that we have, I guess, acquisitions or amenities?

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I know you mentioned one that had been called out about 20 years ago that we have finally

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just gotten completed.

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But yeah, were there any other highlights of specifically for river?

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Just things that we have checked off, not specifically for the river, but just in general, I guess

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more.

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Certainly trail connectivity.

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Yeah.

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Trail connectivity.

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We have checked off from some of these master plan and certain ideas.

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Yeah.

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I mean, those are those common trends.

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They showed up from like, you know, 20 years of planning, which was amazing to me that you

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still had the same trends of like open space acquisition, rec center, trail connectivity.

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All those are what I mentioned the same. Pickleball was one that we got to check off the list for

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sure. Dog park. That was another one. Park infrastructure and comfort amenities is what

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it was kind of slated as, so having shape structures, restrooms, water access and

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improving signage, which is all things I think that kind of checked out that list.

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So there's a lot that we really have done in the parks and really followed still

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with all of these plans, but as specific like allocations for land and

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stuff, there wasn't that type of I didn't have the specifics in some of

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these surveys or to read that long. Well it's good to know that trends

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are staying, you know, trending.

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But yeah, and that the decisions that we are making are

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based off of years of input from the community. So I just think that's really important for

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us to remember and keep in the forefront that well, I have a follow-up to it. So is there

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some type of master plan that is there a binder somewhere or a document already that

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exists? There's a couple. Yeah, I know we have like the East End multimodal one,

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But there's one's more specific to parks and rec. Yeah, and and we're actually working on now a 2026 cool

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And it's give us a minute, but yeah, we're gonna get that out and when's the old one from

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2016 yeah

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Just let me see context for me is I

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Thought we were out of if we're gonna talk about reservoir Hill without the master plan

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And I had a concern about that.

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Context for me is really important.

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The master plan would really be an important thing.

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This is an opportunity.

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I think you always design in your master,

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whatever strategic plan you're looking at,

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you always design handles for opportunity.

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And so that's kind of what we're looking at

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is an opportunity.

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But I think that that's really important

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to get that master plan.

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Well, of course, in referring to the reservoir hill,

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Well, even without the master plan in staff's opinion or my opinion, that's an asset that

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currently already has trails that can be used.

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It's an asset that if the 300 acres can be acquired through grant funding only, it's

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no brainer.

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Well, it is.

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Without the strategic plan.

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Let me see.

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because I would argue that without that context,

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there are gonna be things that are gonna be happening

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that are gonna take priority,

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funding away from other things at the wrong time.

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I think it has to be in context.

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So I would just keep something in mind,

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that strategic plan for that area,

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it's certainly, I think the first step

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of that strategic plan is acquiring the property

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and getting that secured,

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which is what we're working on now.

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Well, you already do have the plans that have come from 2016, like I said, and pretty much

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they're very consistent that open space preservation.

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I would say that gave us fuel to look at Res Hill of acquiring it.

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And that's how you modify it to say, hey, listen, this is the plan, it's still the

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plan.

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It definitely still is the plan, and to your point, for part of this Forest Legacy Grant,

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we will actually have to do a rec plan in general, so we will have to go through this

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whole process anyways, but I would say it is following the plan from 2016 of land acquisition

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and preservation.

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And keep something in mind in regard to that strategic plan that we'll continue to

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work on for Reds Hill, the acreage that we're purchasing, we cannot build other than possibly

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a restroom. It's not like we can go up there and build a rec center on this. We can't

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build any large structures on this. It's for conservation.

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So the other 191 acres though that's still in play out there, that is where we can

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actually build infrastructure on. So, you know, this 300 acres is simply an

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incredible addition and asset to the town and for generations to come. And

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certainly us helping to guide those future generations for Rez Hill is

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extremely important, but that's just strictly we're getting things started.

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There'll be generations ahead of us that'll possibly make adjustments as

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well up there. So I totally agree with you. No, I totally agree with you. The strategic plan.

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But I guess my point was make sure the emphasis is on the rights allowable.

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I guess my point was is the plan is that if you're worried about us trying to grab these 300

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acres without a strategic plan,

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we kind of do have one as Amanda just alluded to. But

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one's coming but it's so important we have this incredible opportunity to

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possibly grab 300 acres through grant funding that's what we're trying to get

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accomplished right now. The strength of your plan will be to put handles in place

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for opportunity. So just design that into your plan. That's all. Well and it's

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my understanding that the plan is going to help us get the grant funding as

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Well, yes, absolutely the importance of it. So it's needed. Yeah, it's needed. Yeah, but it does sound like it's already

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The the idea of preservation of open space is already sort of baked into it and understand what you're saying

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Let's now take this opportunity that we have and make that part of the right. Yeah, and we will

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I guess my my question is, you know, and I don't know if any of us have the answer many might be the

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most well qualified is you know for go-co in terms of what they want to see

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you know what is that what kind of product do they want to see from us

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that's going to help us get that funding like that's what I would like to

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work towards at this point yeah basically that community cooperation that

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there's that community support to do this like I said we got 25 letters of

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support, that's huge. But really looking at who those people were of the 25

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letters, I will say it's a lot of them were nonprofit groups that used the

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hill, who accessed the hill quite a bit. And so really just making sure that we

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are speaking to their needs of what they want to see up there, that we can

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accommodate those. So really just kind of going back to our supporters and

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making sure that we haven't missed anything is kind of really what I

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I see we need to look at.

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But I would really, you know,

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I think understanding what we will gain.

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So there is definitely some conservation and wildlife approach

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there that's gonna get us in better position

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for go-go funding is because I really do wanna see

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that we are conserving the land.

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It's not all about recreation.

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It's not all about use,

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but there's some, you know,

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Pugosa skyrocket in that location.

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There's definitely some wildlife corridors.

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and so making sure that any trails that already exist up there are in good

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locations and wouldn't be disturbing a major habitat. So we have done some

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mapping up there and I have kind of worked with Kelly a little bit on that

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mapping and so really we've kind of all identified that that this is such a

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good area because where the trails like Darren said already exist aren't in

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the ways of some of the critical habitat that does exist there but you

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some major resources. So it's nice that, you know, we are getting this opportunity where it wouldn't go

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into land development and we could be seeing a bunch of houses that could be impacting our natural

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resources. So I think we're really on the right track of just, you know, getting there. But I

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still also think, you know, we need to hear from you guys what, what you guys want to see,

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what's important to moving forward. You know, we've talked a lot about one of the biggest

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things with Reds Hill, it's not the easiest accessible. You got to go straight up the hill.

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We only have a one-way road. To me, that seems like a pretty important part that we want to

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consider in our plan is that we would be able to have more accessibility to people out there.

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Yeah, and I know Sherry has definitely been in favor of increasing especially ADA access.

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And so I think that that would be a huge piece, especially if the road can accommodate two-way traffic in the portion that we would be receiving is expanding that, because that's a whole nother user group that, yeah, we need to be thinking about and trying to accommodate as best as we can.

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And then, you know, and I don't want to, yeah, pigeonhole us in any, like, I want to hear from all the user groups, even, I know, you know, my neighbor in town has horses, can we have horse access up there?

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You know, I think a lot of us are in favor of more hiking and biking trails, but let's not limit ourselves to just thinking about hiking hikers and bikers.

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Think about the different methods that people might travel on.

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Can I ask, I don't know if the space that you and I were talking to the school about

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is included in the 300 acres or if it's part of the 191.

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There's a flat area up there where there are no trees.

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And we had talked to the school when they were trying to decide where to locate the

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school about the benefit of having access to that area up there as a place to put

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more fields.

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And the idea was just that, that it would be big enough that we could in fact have tournaments and other kinds of things, other than just the single thing.

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Is that flat area, is it part of 300 or part of the 191?

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It's not part of the 300.

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Yeah.

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Where the road goes up over here by Rose Mountain.

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Is that road part of it or accesses it?

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That's what it is.

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the landowners but once again we are at that point where we will be trying to negotiate to make sure

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that's still in place. Nothing's guaranteed at that point but we did really try for access for

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that because that is kind of the whole point. Well that was my spot where I thought we could

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easily get some ADA access up there and access for families with young children

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And if in some of the lower part, we could have some flatter trails for people with wheelchairs or walkers or our elderly that want to walk on a flatter area.

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And the kids on the strider bikes, they're the best, you know, so a place for families and youth and older people.

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But I

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I would really like to look into limiting access to part of that park, to keep it as natural

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as we can for the future. And so maybe just have walking trails, but not cycling, because

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we have a lot of cycling trails up there. And we don't. It's not a lot of miles. But,

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you know, kind of keep some of it as natural as we can for the future so they can really

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see what it was here. I mean this is that legacy park we're talking about. It could be a great place

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like the kids go up to the Hershey Ranch every year and this could be another spot where they

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can go study if we don't go in and change things a lot. So I don't know if there's parameters.

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You kind of alluded to some parameters of what we can do up there. I think there will be built

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in to that grant because it's so conservation based. There are those parameters and protections

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I want to reiterate what Darren was saying.

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The 300 acres, we're trying to get it with this forest legacy grant.

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That's what's going to give us that potentially $5.8 million.

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That is for conservation, so there will be no building of any kind up there or no development

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of fields or anything like that.

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When the school district had mentioned to us, oh, maybe if you guys get Reds Hill,

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we could put fields up somewhere up there. That's that's out of the question for this 300 acres.

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Yeah, that's why I asked the question. Yeah, I mean, it's still part of perhaps a deeper vision

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for the 490 because that's still there and there are no trees there. And well, and especially

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on the other side, say what especially on the other side, which is part of the 490,

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the other side of Reds Hill, the east side adjacent to 84,

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there's a lot of flat land over there.

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That's kind of incredible space over there, actually.

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I have two questions.

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The first question is, how many miles of road

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has been developed on that property?

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No, I don't know any of that.

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It seemed like we were told like five plus miles.

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So I mean there's a lot of nice roads. Yeah, well they when they talked to me before it was like

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They also had about four miles of trail, but I don't know about the road. Oh, yeah, okay. Well, maybe

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Yeah

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I'm not quite sure but we can get kind of no, I'm just curious

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I mean, I think as we go for yeah, yeah to really tell the story of what we're looking up there and

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and maybe connectivity, accessibility,

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we will probably need to get started.

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Well, let's call them all trails.

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Because the beauty is you don't have to develop anything.

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You can just start using that property once a time.

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The second question is, what do you need from us tonight?

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Well, obviously, we're kind of giving you

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an overview of not only Reds Hill, but our parks in general.

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And what's been completed, there's still a lot of work ahead of us.

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That's part of what Amanda and I was trying to make our point at the joint work session

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in regards to parks and recreation and the importance of it in a community

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and having it recognizing that it can generate revenue for a community.

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As far as I go, this is really more information

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And if there's any recommendations from you in regards to anything, we'll take notes of that.

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But one thing I do want to kind of discuss is that, you know, obviously we have, in my opinion, wonderful parks.

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I've got an incredible staff that works very, very hard, not only in my office at the community center,

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but over the maintenance facility with my park staff.

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I've got a total group that I'm extremely proud of that really cares.

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And that's what you need to prosper.

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We have a lot of parks, but nothing's really generating any revenue right now.

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And I think there's an opportunity at Skyrocket that we're calling right now, Skyrocket Park

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in a sense, behind tractor supply for possibly creating something that could be a revenue-generating

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area arts and recreation.

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Currently some ideas that are floating is creating a campground and also a shooting,

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possibly a shooting range.

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We

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really need to decide if we want to be in the business of competing with private

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businesses here. That's a baseline.

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When we bought the property, my idea was not to compete with other businesses but to create

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a workforce campground so that people that came for summer employment could camp there at some

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rate that was and had to prove they were employed by the town and this helps us with our

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affordable housing problem. So that that was seeing a lie was interested in. I

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think it's a great place for that. And again these are just simply

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ideas, right? So what you see there in orange in a sense would be where a

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campground could possibly go. It's kind of on top there. In blue, right behind

449
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,380
tractor supply, you see the road that kind of leads back to another area that's

450
00:36:10,380 --> 00:36:17,520
down below that Chief Rockinsock had brought up in a department head meeting, possibly a

451
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:24,640
little bit of grant funding for a shooting range. It's been in our surveys that people

452
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,520
are interested in that, but this would have to be something indoor.

453
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,100
This would not be

454
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:47,260
a possibility, and that's all this is. But you could certainly put an indoor shooting

455
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:52,420
range there, create a training center area for law enforcement. I mean, currently the

456
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:56,700
chief comes over to the community center and he gets in the south conference room and sets

457
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:02,540
up all of his stuff, you know, and works on things. And this

458
00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:07,520
could produce revenue,

459
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:15,940
you know so it's just something to look at certainly all we can do is give

460
00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:19,880
ideas and get input from the community in regards to what they'd like to see and

461
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,080
get input from you and figure out a direction that we want to go in in

462
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,760
regards to that. If your department thought about the idea that we might

463
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,960
raise lodging tax and use part of that money to help fund recreational

464
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:42,280
Well, it is economic diversification, because we're increasing our competitiveness.

465
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:45,340
Certainly we brought that up at the joint work session.

466
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:55,180
I think that's a great area to look at to create a revenue stream, to not only for that,

467
00:37:55,380 --> 00:38:03,280
but obviously we have over a $2 million budget for Parks and Recreation that the entire

468
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:12,420
county and families, they all enjoy, you know, and we certainly love providing the amenities

469
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,400
and the programming for all of that, but there's a cost that goes along with that.

470
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:23,340
And certainly to try and figure out how to recoup some of that cost, also have a revenue

471
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:29,840
stream that we can provide parks and recreation a little more on a countywide basis.

472
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:36,740
I certainly hope the, I hope the county recognizes the value in Parks and Rec, and I hope they're

473
00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:38,400
willing to participate in some manner.

474
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,260
I will certainly go back in front of them and see where they stand, but it was put

475
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:44,720
out there.

476
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,720
But I think collaborating together, because as it was stated at the joint work session,

477
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:52,920
you know,

478
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,580
it's great.

479
00:38:55,580 --> 00:39:00,940
the town has as created, you know, we have the majority of the parks. We provide all the recreation

480
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:10,980
and that's wonderful. But, you know, if you look at things county-wide and that's even talking

481
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:18,740
about trailheads and how they can be improved and have a more enjoyable experience in regard to

482
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:28,220
parks and recreation, countywide, it's, and even if we're participating in that with some

483
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:31,740
type of funding and working together, that benefits everyone.

484
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:41,780
And certainly that's an area that we want to, I'm going to continue to move forward with

485
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:43,440
until I'm told not to.

486
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:54,880
But going back to the lodger's tax, I think that's a great area to, in the short term,

487
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,740
just reallocate.

488
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:04,080
Because I know there's money that's being issued out that goes kind of towards recreation

489
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,820
currently.

490
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,400
And if that money can be reallocated, and if the county will look at their Conservation

491
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,520
and trust fund that they can only spend on parks and recreation and let us help them work

492
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:21,160
with that money to create something. I mean, you can see the work that's been going through

493
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,420
for these different grants in the Forest Legacy Grant and other grants that we've obtained.

494
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:32,900
We don't get everyone, but, you know, I can only, I give incredible amount of kudos

495
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:40,460
to Kyle and Amanda they have they have done some tremendous research on

496
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:46,700
grant opportunities and and we're obviously trying to get as many as we can

497
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:52,180
to help subsidize these projects and that's how we do it and and we are

498
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:57,810
being successful with it. I'd like to jump in and attempt to answer your

499
00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:02,970
question without stepping on your guys toes because I requested this

500
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:11,190
work session, thinking that, you know, focusing on this idea that we could, GOKO could help

501
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:12,810
us with funding for Rez Hill.

502
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:19,010
And one of the things that helps us get that with GOKO is them seeing that we've got a

503
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:19,650
master plan.

504
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:25,570
It sounds like we have one, so maybe it just needs some kind of retooling.

505
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:32,190
But to answer your question, what do they want from us, I was thinking that they would

506
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:40,710
want to hear what our visions, our outlook might be for our parks and rec that are existing

507
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:47,310
and then how that fits in with what we're trying to acquire, not only Rez Hill but potentially

508
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:47,710
others.

509
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:53,810
And then hopefully get out of that some kind of product that whether it's a one pager

510
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:59,950
or it's something more expansive that we can use to help us get that go-go money.

511
00:42:00,830 --> 00:42:06,170
I mean does that sound okay to everyone if we kind of help these guys out by

512
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:10,650
giving them some of what we think is our vision and direction for Parks and Rec.

513
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:16,450
They've got great information from their surveys from the community. That's

514
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:20,650
kind of where I was thinking that we were going with this. The elements

515
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:26,670
are present but need to be organized and that's what a master plan would

516
00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:31,350
look like. And I think it's invaluable if we're going to go ask for people to say,

517
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:36,070
hey, listen, there's a vision here and here's how it's connected. I would add that working

518
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:40,690
with the skills that we have in the town for the benefit of the county

519
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:49,430
is one of those strategic elements. So I for one am absolutely in support of using the talent

520
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:55,190
the way that it's being proposed for the county. I think that's a great idea. I like that

521
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:59,870
But there are other things that you've already talked about that are not going to be left

522
00:42:59,870 --> 00:43:00,150
out.

523
00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,790
I mean, I think a community swimming pool is really important.

524
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:07,950
We grew up because Giordano was letting us go swimming.

525
00:43:08,350 --> 00:43:12,230
So we had access, but the local kids don't have access to the thermal water.

526
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:15,010
The school now is going to become available.

527
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:20,030
What a better, they've got a well, that's the best place to put a community pool.

528
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:26,250
You know, so you have elements, I think, that talk about a comprehensive and a strategic

529
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:26,610
plan.

530
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:28,590
There's opportunity uptown.

531
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:34,110
I mean, we've had, we have a history of cumbersome totals at the narrow gauge, and there was

532
00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:38,410
a spot uptown, and that's all brand new.

533
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:43,270
We've never done anything to ever look at the heritage that we've had that's except

534
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:47,110
the sheep herder that's out there now, but you can point right to where that

535
00:43:47,110 --> 00:43:47,950
depot was.

536
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:53,350
And so, uptown, they have everything that's available to them in terms of the railroad.

537
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:57,670
So, we still have those opportunities that provide all of that.

538
00:43:57,950 --> 00:44:02,130
But the thing that is also extremely important to me is economic diversification.

539
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:06,270
And you all are – you're on the verge of all of that stuff.

540
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:11,230
It just needs to be articulated in a way that really makes it look not just broad but deep.

541
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:16,510
So, I do want to just jump in as another reminder of the update at the work session.

542
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:23,430
Park was talking about, we are finishing our draft, finalizing our outdoor sustainability

543
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:25,430
recreation draft plan.

544
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:31,430
It's going to go out to our task members, hopefully, by this Thursday is what I'm told.

545
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:34,730
And then we are reviewing it next Thursday with the task members.

546
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:37,030
They will have some time to review that.

547
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:40,730
And then we will be going out to the general public to also give feedback.

548
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:45,550
So as you're talking about a master plan, that is parks and recreation.

549
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:51,130
The only thing is that that is a boundary that is all of Archuleta County.

550
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:53,430
It includes Hinsale County and Mineral County.

551
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:56,090
We're not focusing on just the town.

552
00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:59,970
And that's the thing here where with this go code.

553
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,460
Local funding. The town has tons of projects that they want to get done. There's tons of funding

554
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:10,860
that's needed for certain allocated projects that we need to get through. So really, as staff

555
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:18,100
members, we kind of need that prioritization from you all of how do you see this fit in

556
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:22,760
our overall plan? Because when I get all of this narrowed down, I'm going to have

557
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,200
a real slim timeframe to turn it around and try to request those funds. And we're

558
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,260
looking at funds for the Forest Service, for the county, all these things.

559
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:38,240
So I really need to have it together, what your guys' prioritization of really what you've

560
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,880
seen in the past couple years of what should be our focus in Parks and Recreation.

561
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:49,260
I mean, obviously, this is a big opportunity for Reshill, and so I would hope it would

562
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:54,780
be a priority, but I really do need to know as there are things that also need to

563
00:45:54,780 --> 00:46:01,240
be included as the town's main thing that we want to try to get funding for that's not

564
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,960
just acquisition because I think that's what GOKO is really going to want to see in this

565
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,700
round is community collaboration that we have prioritized what we think is the most important

566
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:17,060
right now and what we need to do with whether that's funding is available and we are going

567
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:21,820
to have a high impact of being able to conserve that many acres or do we really

568
00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:25,220
they need to focus on the event center of a multi-purpose

569
00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:26,720
pavilion really going through.

570
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,900
I mean, I think those are all great projects

571
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,040
and they're super awesome.

572
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:35,220
And I'm so stoked to be a part of this

573
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:38,200
and try to get it through the door.

574
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:39,940
But I think from you guys,

575
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,140
we really need some direction and prioritization

576
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:45,760
because we can't fund all of it

577
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,700
and we wanna make it look like a cohesive community package.

578
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:56,660
So we have about 30 minutes, and I feel like I'm hearing two different things.

579
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:07,520
You want to know more about how we can go for GOKO for Res Hill and their wanting prioritization for all of our parks.

580
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:13,720
Well, no, mine has to do with all of the parks. It has to do with the master plan.

581
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,400
Okay.

582
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,580
because it's my understanding that's what goko wants to see what amanda just said she wants to see

583
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:27,620
that we have prioritized our desires our needs our vision for our parks and rec thank you yeah i

584
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:33,920
thought you just wanted our vision for reshill no no not at all that would be my point too that

585
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,800
as a standalone it's an opportunity but if we don't connect it and that's what the plan will do

586
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,060
then I think we're susceptible that that money will evaporate because other

587
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:47,900
people will put their comprehensive plants together. It needs to be deep but it

588
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:53,900
needs to be broad. So I think we have the elements for it. So how it fits in for me

589
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:59,040
is I feel like we have a lot of active parks in our community. A lot of places

590
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,300
where kids can go ride bikes, play pickleball, whatever. But we don't have

591
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:10,300
a lot of passive parks, where people can just go hike, have a picnic, things like that.

592
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:17,960
And so I would like to look at this fitting into our community as more of a passive park

593
00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:21,200
for a different type of recreation in our community.

594
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,520
There you go.

595
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:23,920
Thank you.

596
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:25,120
There you go.

597
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,520
In terms of prioritization, for me personally, it'd be Rez Hill Rec Center are like the

598
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:39,240
top two things that I would like to see us to focus on. But with what I've heard a lot

599
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:47,820
that is really exciting today, but one thing that is most exciting, and maybe because, you

600
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:55,760
know, a little long in the tooth in this chair, but like the 2006 plan, and we can go back

601
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,340
to the community and say, hey, in 2006, you said you wanted this, that and the

602
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:05,240
thing, we gave you this, that, the other thing. And in 2012, you wanted, you know, you said that

603
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,540
these were important. Look what we've done. We've listened to you and these are the things that

604
00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:16,380
we followed through on. Here's our plan, you know, here's our 2026 plan. And like, I think we,

605
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:23,920
I would love to see the successes blasted out and let people know that it's not just a dusty

606
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,940
document. Like we've been doing what you've been asking this whole time. And perhaps

607
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:34,320
That would also be a part of the grant application that you again showing them like hey

608
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,620
We put together this plan look at all that we did and now we're putting together this this plan

609
00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:46,580
You can trust us to use these funds and these proper whatever in an appropriate manner because we've displayed that

610
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:49,600
This is what we've been doing the whole time. We follow through yeah

611
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:55,840
Displays competence and I would just love the I would love the public to just know we've talked about like

612
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,840
celebrating our successes and like making sure people know the great work that

613
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,880
happens that they wouldn't otherwise know unless we tutored our own horn. So let's

614
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:12,820
toot our own horn about this. And get people excited about the future. Okay are

615
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:17,840
you going next? Well if I may I mean I prepared something so it pardon me if

616
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,900
I'm just kind of reading it but I'd like to do that. I think we have an

617
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:29,260
opportunity here to develop a unique and valuable parks and open space system

618
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:34,120
that increases the quality of life for our residents and visitors and benefits

619
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:40,580
our local economy. My sort of high-level vision is combining our existing

620
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:46,400
parks, trails, and river assets with future acquisitions, namely right now

621
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Reservoir Hill, to create an exceptional system of parks and trails

622
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:58,480
that connect users to a variety of experiences, including recreation, relaxation, events, dining

623
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,740
and retail, all in a pedestrian-friendly and beautiful Colorado mountain environment.

624
00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:08,860
Not all of these ideas are mine. I've gotten some of them from listening to Gary and my other

625
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:15,820
fellow council members, but this is sort of more of a drilled-down vision. For the Goodman

626
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:22,320
property. I see that as kind of like a base camp area which connects via pedestrian trails to the

627
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Riverwalk, to Rez Hill, the East End, Cotton's Hole, Town Park, Downtown, Yamaguchi, and ultimately

628
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:36,800
to the town to trails, or the town to uptown trail. Existing Rez Hill trails could be upgraded

629
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,840
to connect to other areas. Existing plans for extension of the Riverwalk to Bob's LP

630
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:48,060
parcel make connection to that very easy. And then I think this has always been Gary's

631
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:54,020
idea to develop parking on the Goodman property for visitors as well as areas for campers and

632
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:59,180
or RVs including spots for seasonal employees. I think that's a great idea that he has

633
00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:01,760
and that could generate income.

634
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,060
A moonshot for me and again I think master plans you

635
00:52:07,060 --> 00:52:12,800
got to include moonshots. Bob's LP was a moonshot, right? When they were doing the

636
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,580
East End multimodal trail back in 2006, that's what spurred me about thinking about all this

637
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:24,600
too, that the one meeting where James said, this first came up in 2006, and everybody

638
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:30,480
said, oh, that's impossible. We'll never get that land. We've got it. So just a

639
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,900
moonshot for me is a ski trail on the north side of Reds Hill. It's the only appropriate

640
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,540
a place for it in downtown because it's north facing.

641
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,820
But essentially, Rez Hill becomes a flagship area of conservation and recreation, including

642
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:49,680
hike and bike trails, open space, ADA access.

643
00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:56,560
There could be sunset viewing areas, forest bathing, quiet zones, and educational opportunities

644
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:58,860
focused on forest conservation.

645
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,380
The connection between all of our different parks, Rez Hill and downtown, offers a huge

646
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:09,780
variety of recreational and leisure experiences. And then, finally, the

647
00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:14,100
acquisition of Reds Hills once in a lifetime opportunity. There's a cost of

648
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,120
not taking advantage of this opportunity. If the town does not buy the

649
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,920
property, it may lose the chance to preserve it permanently. The land could

650
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,040
be developed, become more expensive later, or be acquired by someone else.

651
00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:31,400
And in that case, the opportunity cost of inaction is the lost public

652
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,820
benefit of conservation, outdoor recreation, trail connectivity, community character, and future

653
00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:43,800
recreational access. I would argue that this opportunity is so valuable that it justifies a

654
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:51,120
trade-off of forgoing other identified and unidentified initiatives to secure the funding

655
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,900
that ensures we acquire Reshill. That's my two cents here. Thank you.

656
00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:03,270
Well, thank you.

657
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:11,770
My colleague Leonard is always concerned about diversifying our economy.

658
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:19,610
And I've said before, I think that is a great idea. And I worked in lots of small towns that tried to do that.

659
00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:25,950
And it's, and they didn't have the resources we have here in terms of natural resources.

660
00:54:26,110 --> 00:54:31,250
And so I've always seen diversifying our recreational opportunities as a way to diversify

661
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:31,970
our economy.

662
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:37,970
Basically the, the factory we have is a tourism factory and we turn the crank and

663
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:41,190
there's lots of things people can do here and this increases that.

664
00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:42,530
And so that's good.

665
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:46,830
And then the changing climate, there are other opportunities to do things in town

666
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:56,650
when there's no snow or you know this and that. So I could see Reservoir Hill playing a big part

667
00:54:56,650 --> 00:55:04,050
of that and and I've always and I and I and I always never wanted to pull out the other 188

668
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:09,090
acres or 91 or whatever it was. I always thought this is so important we need to keep it together

669
00:55:09,090 --> 00:55:16,670
and just go for it somehow and so and and we can worry about future generations of

670
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:22,150
councils like this thinking well why did they buy all this land but on the

671
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:27,610
alternative is you know we can do other things with it too you know we could do

672
00:55:27,610 --> 00:55:32,110
stuff with the land all the way out to light plant road and stuff it

673
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:37,170
wouldn't be in conservation so you know we could have a rec center there we

674
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:39,710
We could have a sewer treatment plan or we could, you know, whatever.

675
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:51,390
And so I think it's so important that I think raising our lodging tax and using that as a

676
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:55,990
source for revenue, for revenue bond, and we would raise the lodging tax, let's say

677
00:55:55,990 --> 00:56:02,090
just a 6% or maybe it's just 1% for this and the other for affordable housing, you

678
00:56:02,090 --> 00:56:07,870
but just do it all at once, dedicate that money for purchasing that property.

679
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:13,130
So I think it's important, I think we need to come up with a plan for how to buy it all.

680
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:22,120
And my humble opinion is that we're focusing on this because this is where we have the money

681
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:28,920
most readily available and we can't let this opportunity pass and then we can

682
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:34,540
consider about negotiating on the rest of it. So I just don't want to let this

683
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:34,920
pass.

684
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:44,340
Maddie, did you have anything? Yeah, I think Brooks kind of said a lot of what

685
00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:48,360
I feel, but I really wanted to make sure that we were tying in the East End

686
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:54,480
multimodal plan with Bob's LP and the Goodman property, Skyrocket Park, and

687
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,700
making sure that that connectivity is being thought about because I think you

688
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:04,500
can you know hike or bike up and drop down to that south side but then where

689
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,100
do you go from there I want people to be able to hop back and then cruise along

690
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:12,600
you know that whole east end side of Pagosa either along the Riverwalk or

691
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:18,780
through sidewalks however they can you know visit all those businesses

692
00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:21,640
whatever so I really want to make sure that that connectivity is thought

693
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:28,900
about. For me I think overall priority, I mean shoot it's really hard to say for

694
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:34,900
sure but I think Reservoir Hill, Town to Lakes Trail would be kind of the top two

695
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:38,060
just because I think that we really just need to keep on working on getting

696
00:57:38,060 --> 00:57:44,380
folks off the highway as much as possible and that would be good for

697
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:50,620
safety for everybody and then yeah I think you know we've made strides in

698
00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:54,920
our river access. We've been really hammering it that over the last couple of years so I'm

699
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:01,020
really proud of where we're at now. As a user of the new boat ramp at Bob's LP, I am absolutely

700
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:05,460
thrilled. So I think that we've done a great job there.

701
00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:12,030
Yeah, I think just taking the

702
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:16,790
documents that we have and like you said, just refreshing them to kind of combine them,

703
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:20,650
give them a facelift. We have a lot of stuff there. Let's make sure the public

704
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:26,230
knows about it. No offense. But when we have folks on council who are asking if we have a document,

705
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:31,550
then I think we're kind of failing a little bit at making sure that leadership is aware of what we

706
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:36,730
have on the shelf from previous groups. And so when we've talked about this, too, as new councils

707
00:58:36,730 --> 00:58:43,610
come on, let's really make sure that we have a nice, I guess, welcome package for just to

708
00:58:43,610 --> 00:58:48,690
make sure that everybody is up to speed on the work that we have all been doing over the

709
00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:49,490
in the last couple of decades.

710
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:52,130
So, thank you.

711
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:52,890
Leonard.

712
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:55,170
Yeah, let me see.

713
00:58:55,710 --> 00:58:57,790
To start, I'm not a fan

714
00:59:00,510 --> 00:59:04,390
of inflexible plants, long-range plants.

715
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:09,730
I am a fan, though, of going after things

716
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:14,730
that are very difficult, seem to be impossible.

717
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:17,910
And the only way you get there

718
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:24,750
is by pulling everybody pulling in the same direction and even then there's no guarantee.

719
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:32,190
The benefit of a strategic plan in my opinion is that you get to create a status in time

720
00:59:32,790 --> 00:59:37,370
so that the things that are important to you you may not have to do it all in the first year

721
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:44,070
you stretch things out over over time so that your endpoint is a representation of

722
00:59:44,070 --> 00:59:49,190
hard work, collaboration, and pulling those things together in a way that say

723
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:54,330
they're all part of something bigger. Where these things fall apart is when

724
00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:58,230
somebody comes up with something new and it's not part of any plan and all of

725
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:59,970
a sudden we try to do something.

726
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:12,040
So, I think it's really important for us to take the inputs in, look at how we can integrate

727
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,480
them over time so that we don't have to do it all in the very beginning.

728
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:26,000
For me, I look at the community and those that I'd like to see have access to things

729
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:32,980
that maybe our visitors get, but we don't. So that's why the community swimming pool with

730
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:38,800
thermal water and a recreation center is so important to me because that's for the kids

731
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,480
that are here. And that when they grow up to be 70 years old, you know, they can look back

732
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,640
and say, well, listen, I did this, I want to make sure that my grandkids have the same thing.

733
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,480
So that's a big deal for me. But I got to trade this in economic diversification for me.

734
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:01,320
if you look along the right-hand side and you look at the community swimming pool and you think

735
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,460
about something like what Drango did with theirs, their wet pool where they've got three things all

736
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:12,040
going on at the same time and how the community uses that, well we travel there because it's

737
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,460
that's how good it is. I wouldn't go there ever if we had something like that here,

738
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:23,100
especially if we had thermal water that's why and I need to give credit where credit is due.

739
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,580
This is Bob Lynch's thought.

740
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:27,580
He doesn't articulate it

741
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:28,660
because he's on the school board.

742
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:29,880
It would be a conflict of interest,

743
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,320
but it's such a good idea

744
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,460
that well is sitting there waiting

745
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,600
because that property is not gonna come available.

746
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,820
And if we don't do something with that,

747
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,040
that may not cost as much as we think,

748
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,380
but it should take a long time

749
01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:45,620
so that it's not taken away from other priorities.

750
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:48,620
It's just that the natural resources are there.

751
01:01:48,620 --> 01:01:56,800
The affordable housing idea is a great idea because it does generate some, but we, the

752
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:04,980
seasonable, the seasonal people that we have here, I would keep it open year-round. We rented

753
01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:13,060
a place up here at Pagosa campground for $850 a month for emergency shelter. The person

754
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:17,900
who was next to our trailer is a nurse who travels but chooses to live in Pagosa.

755
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:19,600
That's the only thing she can afford.

756
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,740
We have a lot of people who want to work at the Skiria, and there are six in a room.

757
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,360
So I mean, there's opportunities for us to make space for our workers.

758
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:38,360
And so, you know, the 300 is important because it's earmarked, it's going to be preserved.

759
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,620
It's the 191 acres that I think make a comprehensive plan.

760
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:50,480
And so I would be in the same place and say, hey, listen, get the 300 acres, because that's what's going to nail it for us.

761
01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:58,100
But let's keep working on 191 acres because that's where the flexibility comes and it ties to some of the other things we're already working on.

762
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:08,160
I think I'd like to see the county wide and town thing to me that is an application that is going to be so unique across this nation.

763
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:15,500
So I'm really excited about that potential, if you can connect countywide things to what it is we're doing in this town.

764
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:21,380
The cultural and historic preservation piece of this, to me, it's all of that.

765
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:30,000
If you look at the economic diversification angle, each one of those, you can check those boxes, but that 300 acres is a quarter of that.

766
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:36,260
A night argue all 491 acres a quarter of that. And then just keep looking at those circles going out.

767
01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:42,680
those are the concentric circles going out add time to it I'm on board with

768
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,860
this I didn't see it was a miscaria for me on the north side it was a tubing and

769
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:49,840
sledding with snow making on the north side

770
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:56,660
that too the kids in town can go tubing every day of the week and and we keep

771
01:03:56,660 --> 01:04:01,760
snorkeling until it gets to 40 degrees but those are all connected they're

772
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,760
connected to the kids in this town as well as to the visitors in this

773
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,000
town. And it's not just the kids. I'm a 70 year old kid. I'll get up.

774
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,860
And if I have to live to 80,

775
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:18,780
then make it a 10 year plan on the two minutes. Don't leave it out, but just put it in the right

776
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:23,340
timeframe so it's not taken away from your attention units today to get the 300 acres,

777
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:29,320
to get the 191 acres, and to take these things in stride as we get them because you're doing

778
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,480
a good job of finding money. So I'm all for it.

779
01:04:33,580 --> 01:04:36,280
And Leonard, there's a geothermal well on that front.

780
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,920
Well, yeah. And you know there was a ski hill back there, right?

781
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,980
On the other side of reservoir, there used to be a ski hill back there.

782
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,560
Yeah. Yeah. In the past.

783
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,920
Yeah, I totally agree with your kind of putting things into a time frame of,

784
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,900
you know, what would we like to see in 10 years, 20 years.

785
01:04:53,900 --> 01:05:01,440
But I definitely want to leave room for, you know, needs that arise in the future, because

786
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,660
I can probably guarantee that when the original folks got the portion of Reservoir Hill that

787
01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:14,700
we currently own, they were not anticipating a disc golf course going up there, you know,

788
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,500
and I think that that is a huge asset now.

789
01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:20,780
And so I don't want to like over plan and be like, this is how it is going to be,

790
01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:23,600
but we just like to have a general idea of, right?

791
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,600
I think we're all on the same page of connectivity and a variety of recreational amenities.

792
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:29,120
Yeah.

793
01:05:29,260 --> 01:05:33,320
That was my first point about making sure that it's not a static plan and inflexible.

794
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:34,180
It has to be flexible.

795
01:05:34,380 --> 01:05:39,860
Design the handles in the beginning, then you don't have to deal with, oh, what do we

796
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:40,340
do with this?

797
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:40,780
Right.

798
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,400
And I'm totally with you too.

799
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,360
I would love to go for the whole thing.

800
01:05:47,220 --> 01:05:51,720
Potentially that's, well, the thing is in time that might be hard.

801
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:57,520
Again, we have the opportunity, now it might be time to do it now, to grab the whole thing.

802
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,780
This is where the fundraising might really come into play, which is what we've had the

803
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:04,520
committee for.

804
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,480
But I will say, you know, we might need more help with that.

805
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:15,540
And so that's, you know, we'll keep moving forward with that committee and, you know,

806
01:06:15,540 --> 01:06:21,960
So, looking at what we can do for that, because we could get go-co for the legacy grant match

807
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,360
and then get private money to help us get the whole thing.

808
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,040
That's the ideal situation.

809
01:06:28,180 --> 01:06:28,660
Okay.

810
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:34,160
Do you feel like you got from this what you were looking for?

811
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,960
I think so, again, I mean, it's like kind of comes back to these guys have to do the

812
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:40,240
work.

813
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,040
So, that's my next question.

814
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,760
Do you feel like you got the comments you need to help you?

815
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,600
Can we have the plan by Thursday?

816
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,080
By midnight tonight.

817
01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:53,300
Yeah, it's not on the agenda.

818
01:06:54,860 --> 01:06:58,160
So yes, I mean, I mean, just so you know, I mean,

819
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:04,820
as Amanda alluded to in regard to, I mean, there is a plan that's going to be coming out

820
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:07,520
with some different projects from park.

821
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:14,600
and as you know we've contracted with Park to work with them over the next

822
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,800
two years to try and build this in a sense foundation to help Parks and

823
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:25,780
Recreation expand countywide and so there's gonna be a lot of work being

824
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:32,360
put into this in the next two years and you know I think the feedback we've

825
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:39,700
received tonight is great, we can only bring you these projects and see what you think

826
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:44,140
because these projects are based not only from the staff perspective but from the community

827
01:07:44,140 --> 01:07:46,000
and what they would like to see.

828
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,440
And getting these prioritized and also with these projects, we have to look at,

829
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:54,800
they

830
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,800
may be prioritized but this one on the bottom, there may be funding right now to

831
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,380
get that accomplished so it gets moved to the top.

832
01:08:02,380 --> 01:08:05,980
You know and that's how things and that yes, and that's how things

833
01:08:06,620 --> 01:08:11,920
Finally get accomplished in and just to give you guys a timeline with our next opportunity

834
01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:18,360
For the go-go grant, you know, we have to have this interest letter to them by then to May

835
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,700
applications going to be in by July and

836
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:29,780
So this story that Amanda was talking about that that we're trying to build. I mean we're

837
01:08:29,780 --> 01:08:35,340
every day that goes by, you know, we're just one step close to needing this

838
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:40,500
completed and all of this information is coming to a head here right before all

839
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:45,720
this is needed and rest assured the work's gonna be put in and it's gonna

840
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:52,330
get done. Now that doesn't guarantee we're getting the grant but with the

841
01:08:52,330 --> 01:09:00,570
force legacy news, and as soon as that can hopefully get stamped by Congress, I think

842
01:09:00,570 --> 01:09:08,490
that's going to really slingshot us forward in a sense in regards to the GOKO grant, because

843
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:14,510
they like to see that collaboration, you know, and the other collaboration we're

844
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:21,150
talking about with this GOKO grant also is this is an opportunity probably to help

845
01:09:21,150 --> 01:09:26,610
fund the event center at Yamaguchi within this entire grant.

846
01:09:28,210 --> 01:09:32,510
There's a $50 million pot out there, and some of it's already been used up.

847
01:09:33,190 --> 01:09:36,310
And we talked about this at the work session, the joint work session.

848
01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:40,130
You know, over the next, what, we have four years left roughly?

849
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:40,830
Three years.

850
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:41,370
Three years.

851
01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:45,490
Three years left to grab as much money as we possibly can.

852
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:54,650
And so prioritizing these projects, this first grant opportunity that we're going for, you know,

853
01:09:56,110 --> 01:10:02,930
we can show this as a possible match, this $5.8 million.

854
01:10:03,770 --> 01:10:06,970
You have to look at this even on a bigger scale.

855
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:15,750
You know, this is a $10 or $11 million grant we're going for.

856
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:19,550
And what are we trying to get completed within that 10 or $11 million grant?

857
01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:24,670
Well, we're trying to get 300 acres purchased from Res Hill.

858
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:30,530
We're trying to build an event center out of that as well.

859
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:36,990
And at least dedicate $1.5 million towards that event center.

860
01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:40,010
And by you, by saying event center, you're talking the multi-purpose person.

861
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:40,530
Yes, I am.

862
01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:47,830
And so it truly is being thought about as multi-purpose.

863
01:10:48,190 --> 01:10:50,850
Well, it's truly multi-purpose.

864
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:58,590
It's an event center to be used for events which include ice skating in the wintertime

865
01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:03,210
for moving events down there for concerts.

866
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:08,650
Whatever else we come up, is there rollerblading involved in the summertime?

867
01:11:08,650 --> 01:11:16,910
Whatever else we may come up good usage for that. So multi-purpose pavilion event center. Yes, all

868
01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:20,490
All in one I look at it as as the same

869
01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:25,750
Okay, if we want to strictly look at it as a multi-purpose pavilion, we certainly can and

870
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:28,450
but I've also I

871
01:11:28,450 --> 01:11:33,930
Call it an event center as well because of what's going to be you could bring back roller skating. That's what I was just saying

872
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:37,330
Yeah, yeah, I see a lot of people rollerblading around

873
01:11:37,330 --> 01:11:43,190
Absolutely. So that's what, you know, when you look at the big picture, now we possibly

874
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:52,470
have this almost $6 million match. We have the $500,000 that was set aside for the multi-purpose

875
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:59,970
pavilion as a match. Brian's group is trying to raise money and continue to try and raise

876
01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:03,830
money and we'll see what they have by the time this application is due in July.

877
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:11,210
So it continues to show that collaboration that we're all working together, you know,

878
01:12:11,290 --> 01:12:14,390
and it's not just one entity right in the check.

879
01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:18,710
Can I ask a couple more questions about the multi-purpose pavilion?

880
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:19,070
Sure.

881
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:20,990
If you have time and you're willing.

882
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:21,870
Yeah.

883
01:12:22,170 --> 01:12:22,310
Okay.

884
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:26,950
I'm just, April wants us out of here, so ask your questions.

885
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:30,950
Um, I guess for because it's the tourism board that has set aside

886
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:33,650
the 500,000 correct

887
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:42,350
For as a match or the town for all the town. Okay, but it came from that pot. Yes. Okay. Um, I guess

888
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:45,170
So are we anticipating any?

889
01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:51,890
Feedback from that board in terms of final like as we start to see sketch plans and stuff like that

890
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:55,910
Are we looking for feedback from them or is this going to be primarily coming before council?

891
01:12:57,010 --> 01:12:58,630
You mean from the lodging board?

892
01:13:00,270 --> 01:13:01,390
Okay, I

893
01:13:01,390 --> 01:13:05,630
Think they probably are on board with it already because they've already voted

894
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:13,750
There's a member I would say most of the people on the board now were not there when the money was set aside

895
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:19,470
So a man and I are gonna be there tomorrow

896
01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:22,470
the tourism board to talk about park and

897
01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:26,310
We will certainly bring that up

898
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:34,970
You know in regards to that there was 500,000 allocated. Yeah, and in regards to that and make sure everyone's on the same page, right?

899
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:41,270
Yes, I and as an advisory board. I mean again, they're an advisory board. Yeah, and forgive me

900
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:44,470
I think I was I think I might have missed the meeting the last time

901
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:46,450
Brian came before us I

902
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:52,930
Not completely up to speed on what his updates are, but I just wanted to make sure that we were still trending on

903
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:59,310
just staying focused on the idea of a multi-purpose pavilion and he's very

904
01:13:59,310 --> 01:14:05,230
on board with that. We met with him and Ryan. Yeah and then considerations, I

905
01:14:05,230 --> 01:14:08,390
don't know if it's like in the space but considerations for maybe restrooms or

906
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:11,670
like an area for concessions or something like that. Absolutely that's all we can

907
01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:16,150
consider. Before we, I don't interrupt but I did want to just, while you're

908
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:19,750
talking about tourism and this whole thing, I think tourism is done a

909
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:28,910
great job of presenting Pagosa for recreation in a non-motorized way. And I think we want to

910
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:35,410
continue that, and this plays into that, and you might be able to use that, I think. So we don't

911
01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:42,790
want to be a Moab. We're offering something different down here for recreation, and it's

912
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:47,910
active and it's outdoors and it's you know just by her to say pass it but even

913
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:56,050
that you got to get out there was that everything yeah yeah I just thank you so

914
01:14:56,050 --> 01:14:59,910
from my council members we're looking for an update

915
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,340
Parkes and Rec plan, including what we have now input from the community and other opportunities

916
01:15:10,340 --> 01:15:13,780
that we might identify in the community for future.

917
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,040
So, I think we're all in agreement

918
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:28,340
with that. The Goodman property. Do we want staff to look into ways to monetize that with

919
01:15:28,340 --> 01:15:30,400
the direction towards workforce.

920
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:37,600
Yes, that would be the number one thing that we would, or

921
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:43,780
I don't want to dump everything on them. I mean, so we got to work. We got a housing

922
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:50,260
group housing coordinator, you know, maybe we should look. I mean, I don't want to take

923
01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:56,900
it away from you on, but I mean, it's how we don't want to develop it. We want to

924
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:58,700
Alicia didn't have it developed or something.

925
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,060
No, this isn't, I want them to do it.

926
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:01,680
I'm saying staff.

927
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:02,560
Oh, I got you.

928
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,100
David's here.

929
01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:03,940
Yeah, yeah, staff.

930
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:04,820
He's the one who,

931
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,440
these are just something we want to be looking into.

932
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:08,740
Yeah, okay, all right.

933
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:09,320
Okay.

934
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:13,520
And then a lodging tax increase.

935
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:17,100
Do we want staff to look at,

936
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:21,500
what a lodging tax increase would look like

937
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:25,140
and suggestions for the places

938
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:30,020
that they feel like that could be best applied towards our goals that we have

939
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:36,680
set and make recommendations to us. Okay, is there anything other directions we

940
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:43,140
want to give to staff this evening? Can I add one more thing? When considering

941
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:50,440
that lodger's tax also please consider the reallocating the current

942
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,840
and lodging tax possibly as well, if needed.

943
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:57,680
If you're not sold on raising the lodger's tax,

944
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:01,380
at least consider reallocating some of the current.

945
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,220
I think that can be part of what we're looking at.

946
01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:07,160
Okay, okay.

947
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:10,540
Best use of the lodger's tax.

948
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,320
All right, thank you.

949
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:11,900
The lodging tax.

950
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:14,060
Yeah, did anybody say you can have a diversification?

951
01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:15,240
Oh, yeah.

952
01:17:15,740 --> 01:17:19,200
But to that end, I think I always want us

953
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:24,640
to keep affordability at the front of our minds, especially for our workforce, and so

954
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:31,220
if we're thinking of reallocating or raising, it's imperative that a good chunk of that

955
01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:39,920
is workforce housing and or helping people stay here and raise families here and not

956
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:40,680
drive them away.

957
01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:43,940
I might have tried.

958
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:45,700
Anything else?

959
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:47,760
All right.

960
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:48,860
Thank you all.

961
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:50,100
for a great work session.

962
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:50,500
Thanks.

963
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:51,320
Great discussion.

964
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:52,640
We appreciate your time.

965
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,940
And April wants us out of the b-