Call to order the meeting of the Village of Palatine Zoting Board of Appeals meeting of May 23rd, 2017.
Can we have a roll call, please?
Mr. Larson.
Here.
Ms. Rothberster.
Ms. Wood.
Here.
Mr. Luzak.
Mr. McGinn.
Here.
Mr. Quinn.
Here.
Mr. Kavanaugh.
Here.
Mr. Dietrich.
Here.
Mr. Pyro.
Okay, we do have a quorum.
Are there any additions or corrections to the meetings of the meeting of May 9, 2017?
Seeing none, can I have a motion to approve the minutes of May 9, 2017 as written?
Motion to approve the minutes as written.
Second.
We have a motion and a second to approve the minutes as written of May 9, 2017.
All those in favor say aye.
Aye.
Hi.
Anyone opposed?
The minutes of May 9th, 2017 are approved.
Got a motion to open this meeting.
So moved.
Second.
Motion second to open this meeting.
All those in favor?
Aye.
Anyone opposed?
We're open.
All right, good evening, everyone.
We are the Zoning Board of Appeals
of the Village of Palatine.
We welcome you.
We're a panel appointed by the Village
which serves, among other things,
to conduct public hearing function
for special uses and variances
sought in the village.
Our recommendations are advisory only
and will be sent on to the village council
via the council committee.
Council members will have the final word
and will decide whether or not to adopt an ordinance.
On petitions, you'll have ample time
to present your cases.
We would ask though you try not to be repetitive
or cumulative with your testimony exhibits.
Also, I ask that sometime in your presentation
you address the standards
found in the zoning ordinance,
which must be met by you prior to any favorable advisory opinion of this board.
These standards appear in the ordinance and we're in the packet that we're given to you at the time of the application.
As anyone else that's in the audience today, you'll be given time to ask questions by the petitioner or the staff
to make any comments on record and to voice your approval or objection to the petition.
And we will hear each item as posted on the agenda tonight.
All right, the
first item on tonight's agenda concerns the property located at 140 West Northwest Highway
I'd like to see if I have a motion to continue this matter to Tuesday, June 13th 2017. So move
Second. I have a motion to second to continue this matter to June 13th 2017. All those in favor say aye.
Aye. Anyone opposed? We are continue that matter to June 13.
And the next item on the property
concerns of property, commonly known as 137 East Palatine Road.
Petitioners here for this matter?
You don't need to come up quite yet.
All right, in support of this matter,
we have Exhibit 1,
which is the application for special use.
Exhibit number 2 is the proof of ownership.
Exhibit number 3 is the plot of survey site plan.
Exhibit number 4 is the fence elevation.
Notice this matter was sent to nearby areas surrounding
and was published in the Daily Herald on May 8th, 2017.
Okay, if we could swear in staff, please.
Thank you. Do you swear or tell the truth?
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Thank you.
Can we have staff's presentation on this matter, please?
The petitioners are requesting to install a four-foot picket fence in their front yard.
Therefore, they're requesting a special use to permit a fence in the front yard.
The subject property is zoned R3, high-density multifamily.
The petitioners are proposing to construct a fence in the front yard that is two feet off the property line.
Landscaping would be required for the area between the fence and the lot line along East Palatine Road.
The proposed fence will be a four-foot picket style and the area will be used for gardening.
Here are a couple of pictures.
Here's from the front.
You can kind of see the garden there to have going.
And from the sidewalk and from the other side.
Both community services and engineering have reviewed this and did not identify any issues.
And here are the standards for special use.
Thank you. Does anyone on the board have any questions on staff's presentation?
Let's have the petitioner come forward, please.
Right, sir. Can you raise your right hand?
Do you swear to tell the truth? The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Yes.
Thank you. Can we have your name and address, please?
Nick Cukic, 919 North Campbell Avenue, Unit 4, Chicago.
This is KUKICH?
KUKIC.
IC.
Correct.
And can you do the address one more time?
919 North Campbell Avenue, Chicago, Illinois.
I'm the, my parents own the property,
so I submitted this for my mom.
Okay, you're the son of the property owners.
All right, so go ahead if you can give us a little,
more information about what you want to do,
why you want to do it.
So, I'm sorry.
Go ahead, address the standards and any other information that we have.
Pretty much it's the only suitable spot for this address where we could do a gardening that has enough land for it.
The reason for the fence is to kind of have it secure around the perimeter of the garden.
In the past, we've had a few times where people overnight or someone's not there for a few
days have come and gathered and picked all the vegetables and without our knowledge.
So this kind of gives us a little more security for someone not crossing over that property line.
Any questions?
You think a four-foot fence is sufficient for that?
I didn't hear the question, I'm sorry.
Oh, so it's a four-foot fence?
Correct.
That will keep people out offensively?
Yeah, I mean, I'm supposed to go and hop it, but yeah.
Okay.
And what type of gardening is this?
Vegetable and flower.
Is this something the residents would take advantage of?
Yeah, it's mainly my mom lives at the residence.
So it is kind of a community, it's for that six-unit flat.
Anybody can use that land if they want to do their own gardening as well.
I have a question. How far is the fence going to come to the driveway area?
Is it going to be all the way over?
Point it out for us on the overhead?
Yes, so from the driveway, we're staying away, we're around two feet away from the driveway.
Actually, can I correct? He's doing a bevel. It was a conversation.
So there's a five-foot bevel that opens that line of sight at the driveway.
Yeah, that's my question, but there's going to be any challenges getting out of that driveway with the fence.
So it sounds like that's being addressed.
Yes. But there is no immediate parking lot or anything where the fence is going.
So how
much area of landscaping will there be? There's just those...
She has rows.
Between the fence and the sidewalk, there'll be landscaping.
There will be grass.
I think we're allowed to go two foot, four inches from the sidewalk to the fence line.
Any of the grass would not be...
You have to do something like a day lily or something like that along that edge with landscaping.
Okay.
Are there any other picket fences in the area?
I do see one on the corner of Benton and Palatine Road but I think that's the only one in that stretch.
Staff, do you know of any others?
I don't write along that stretch. It goes back and forth between residential and business.
So off the top of my head, no I don't. I can't think of any right in that area.
I think what makes this unique is this is one of the few properties
where the only green space is in the front yard.
Look at the overhead here. It's all parking lot.
The only green space is in the front. I mean, there's a very small green space
next to the building, but in terms of any plot of land.
Anyone else have any questions?
Thank you, sir.
Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on this matter?
Do you want to?
If you want to speak, come on up.
We're going to swear he in, okay?
All right.
Can you raise your right hand?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
Um, yeah.
Can you give us your name and address, please?
It was Ben Larson, and I live in 154 East Cunningham Drive,
Palatine, Illinois.
And, um, so, since the fence is two feet off the property line,
Well, I can't just move it like back to feet.
So you're wondering if the fence could be moved back further towards the building?
Okay.
We'll see if the petition wants to come up and answer that.
Hey, do you have any other questions or anything else you'd like to say?
No.
Okay.
Thank you, Ben.
If you'd like to address that, you can come on up.
I also just clarified to the regardless, any fence in a front yard,
regardless of the setback, would require relief.
Thank you.
It just gives us more land for gardening if we push it back another two.
So we have, if you go back to the flat survey, we have about 25 feet off the left side of the building.
So that would be the west side.
So that would bring us back down to 23.
is just more land for us to use, so.
Do you know if any other tenants have indicated that they would take advantage of it?
Not at this moment, no.
Thank you.
Hey, if anyone else in the audience wish to speak,
find out.
It's not about this.
Oh, okay, then we'll wait. We'll wait.
Okay.
Thank you.
Then can we have the staff's recommendation, please?
The subject property is a multi-family building that contains six units.
The property is unique as the front yard is the only green space on the subject property.
Additionally, the proposed fence should not have a negative impact on the value of the surrounding properties.
Therefore, staff recommends the approval of the variation request subject to the following condition.
The variation shall substantially conform to the site plan submitted by the petitioner on 5917,
except as such plans may be changed to conform to village codes and ordinances.
Thank you. Does anyone on the board have any questions on staff's recommendation?
Foundation.
Does the petitioner or anyone in the audience have any questions on the staff's recommendation?
Okay, then we will close the public hearing portion. We'll see if we have a motion and a second.
Motion to approve subject to staff's conditions.
Second.
We have a motion to approve subject to staff's conditions and a second. Any discussion, please?
Well, I certainly think this is going to be operated in a matter consistent with public health, safety, and welfare.
certainly won't negatively impact the surrounding values, property values.
It is unique. It has some front yard space.
I like the idea that they're doing sort of a community garden there.
The fence, though not many of the neighbors have a picket fence in the front property,
wouldn't be unique to Palatine.
There are some of those I've seen around town with a picket fence in the front yard
and does provide a little bit of privacy for those doing the gardening there.
So like
the fact that it's four feet. I mean, I think that's probably what's in the front yard
I don't know that you can go any higher without additional relief. Well, this by itself even in the front yard, but
but doesn't seem to be overwhelming that way and
Seems like a great thing that's time to accomplish to have a garden where there is no availability
Would you say good question that you asked your young man
Do we have to go by the, with the other front yard stuff for the,
there's a front yard fence, right?
Fact.
Okay, so then I'll say that it'll meet all the other additional standards
based upon the fencing in the front yard, the existing vistas,
and enhance the appearance.
I think it will actually do a good job of that.
So I think it meets not the regular standards,
plus the additional standards for front yard fencing as well.
All right, then we'll take a roll call, please.
Mr. Larson?
Yes.
Ms. Wood.
Yes.
Mr. McGinn.
Yes.
Mr. Quinn.
Yes.
Mr. Kavanaugh.
Yes.
Mr. Dietrich.
Yes.
Thank you.
There was a vote in favor.
Now your names vote 6 to 0.
This board having found that the standards have been met.
And it's anticipated this goes before the village council.
Jim Teth on June 5th.
Okay.
Thank you.
And we'll proceed with the next and final item on tonight's agenda which is for
the property, commonly known as 630 South Quentin Road.
Is the petitioner here for this matter?
Thank you.
For this matter, we have
petitioners exhibit one,
which is the application for variation.
Exhibit number two is the proof of ownership.
Exhibit number three is the letter from petitioner.
Exhibit number four is the plot of survey.
Exhibit number five is the site plan.
Exhibit number six is the elevation.
Exhibit
number seven is a public notice, notice this matter,
sent to nearby areas surrounding
neighbors and was published in the Daily Herald on May 8th, 2017.
And we have objectors exhibit number one, which is from Wayne's Exhibit.
Objectors exhibit number two is from Jenna Dunn.
Objectors Exhibit Number 3 is from Matt Cadenas.
Objectors Exhibit Number 4 is from Matthew Mikes.
Objectors Exhibit Number 5 is from Jennifer Dow.
Looks like Jennifer and Daniel off.
Clarification. Is Jennifer and Daniel an objector?
Well, it's still called objector, even though they can be in favor.
The petitioner is proposing to construct a memorial garden at the southeast side of the
building. The lot coverage on the subject property is existing non-conforming and therefore the
petitioner is requesting a variation to permit lot coverage of 78% instead of the maximum
permitted 40%. The subject property is owned R1B Single Family and contains the All Saints
Lutheran Church. The total lot size is approximately 81,000 square feet. The
proposed Memorial Garden would consist of a brick-paver patio enclosed by a four
foot high wrought iron fence and a six foot high masonry wall at the southeast
corner of the patio. The petitioner has indicated the masonry wall will
provide for artwork, sacred space, and a sound barrier from Quentin Road. The
Memorial Garden would be set back approximately 40 feet from the front
lot line, 30 feet is required, and 2 feet from the side lot line, where 2 feet is required.
The brick-paper patio is approximately 235 square feet in area, and the foundation of
the masonry wall is approximately 25 square feet in area.
The existing impervious surface on the subject property is approximately 63,179 square feet.
Therefore the existing lot coverage is approximately 77.6 percent.
The proposed lot coverage is 77.9 percent.
The maximum permitted lot coverage in this district is 40.
The building coverage does meet code.
There were no issues identified from any of the departments.
And one thing I would like to mention is the village did recently discover
that the adjacent retention pond could potentially be property of the All Saints Lutheran Church.
at this time our village attorneys are in the process of determining whether what
the correct information is and we will be communicating the outcome to the
petitioner of the church accordingly. We did want to make you aware though because
it may become a point of discussion tonight however we would like you to
you know focus your deliberations on the request for 78% at this time. Thank
I'm sorry, I didn't go through the existing conditions photos so I'll do that real quick.
So it's existing non-conforming so there is no other variations on the property right now?
There are other variations.
So it's existing non-conforming as in the law coverage already exceeds the 40 percent.
So whether they are just this one lot or they have the lot with the retention pond
Either way they need a lot coverage variation tonight. It's a difference of I think it would be if they did own the retention pond
Their existing lot coverage is 40.7% and the proposed lot coverage would be 40.9%
I was just verified that they they have not gotten a variation for the oh, I'm sorry
No, no, they they did get a special use in
2002 for an addition
But at that time lot coverage is not part of our code
So we know that they have the property of the church, and that current lot coverage is 40.7?
No, I'm sorry. With just the church property, if I go back...
They're at 77.
If you see here, the church is outlined in yellow solid line, and then the retention pond is the dotted yellow line.
So, if it was just the church property, the existing law coverage is 77.6% and they would
be proposing a law coverage of 77.9 or 78% rounded.
With that retention fund, they go from 40.7% to 40.9%.
Thank you.
Is it normal for churches to be R1B?
They're normal for them to be residential.
residential. I can't say how many are R1B or how many are R2 or R1, but it is typical
for them to be zone residential.
We also had some photos submitted by the petitioner and
the standards for our variation.
So for some of the other church properties that we have in Palatine, how common is
it for them to be over their existing lot coverage?
I'd say it's more common than not because they're required to have parking, so parking
law, it takes up a majority of their space as you can see at this circumstance and also
their buildings are larger. So I'd say a request for a lot coverage for churches is not uncommon
or for them to be over the existing law coverage.
Any other questions? Okay, so we're going to bring the petitioner up and then after
the petitioner speaks, if there's anyone else in the audience, they can speak too.
So if we can have the petitioner come forward, please.
Good evening.
Okay, so I'm going to have you swear you swear you and do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Can we have your name and address please? My name is Steven Fedota FED OTA
My address is eight five nine South Park Place Drive in Palatine
The petition was submitted by me with the new dress of 630 South Quentin on behalf of my church
Go ahead sir if you want to tell us
what you want to do a little more information, what you want to do, why you want to do it,
and address maybe some concerns that maybe you see of some neighbors.
Okay.
Commissioners, first I'd like to thank you for your time volunteering to help maintain
Palatine to be the great community that it is recently.
I have become much more aware of the commitment that you folks make.
I'm here this evening on behalf of my church, All Saints Lutheran Church, known by many
as the Church by the Pond on Quentin.
All Saints was organized 38 years ago, and I've been a member of this congregation for
almost 30 of those years, having served in a number of leadership positions.
We are a diverse but united family of God, people committing ourselves to God's service.
We will celebrate our diversity, unity, and commitment to Christ, whose spirit
guides us in church and home, workplaces, and communities. This mission statement
that I just recited underpins, for lack of a better term, our brand for all to
know Christ. We reach out to the community beyond Sunday mornings in
our church building. The All Saints community is part of our larger
community. We were one of the original seven churches that recognized homelessness exists
in the Northwest suburbs, and we did something about it by opening our pads, our public action
to deliver shelter site. We, in partnership with an ever-changing cohort of North suburban
urban churches, have completed over 10 Habitat for Humanity homes.
Our community outreach of summer suppers and Thanksgiving meals is welcomed by hundreds
of those less fortunate within our community, as well as the establishment of the Youth
Hunger Opposition Waihop in Palatine was formed by members of our youth group.
Our Bethel Food Pantry feeds scores of individuals on an everlasting basis.
The All Saints Ministry Endowment Fund requires that part of the annual funding grants
consider community agencies within our geographic area.
I'm here tonight seeking lot coverage variance of 3-tenths of 1%.
To enhance our existing ministry of caring and support to those who have lost a loved one.
By reference, three-tenths of 1% is equivalent to approximately 35 square feet on a quarter-acre lot, 36 square feet.
As you've heard from staff, we're proposing to create a memorial garden to take advantage of the unique,
calming and life-sustaining effects of the pond adjacent to our property. As to
justification, the Memorial Garden represents an enhancement to our
existing ministry as an established member of the Lutheran Church in America.
The unique circumstances attendant to all Saints standing include a
A church as a place of assembly is required to provide for off-street parking.
Residential lot permit substantially less nonpermeable surface than commercial lots.
The area planning in the 1960s cited a water retention basin adjacent to an undesirable
residential parcel, given its location with egress available only to Quinton Road, a
major thoroughfare. All Saints was permitted to build in a residential neighborhood, and
since its original construction 38 years ago, the building codes have reduced the amount
of nonpermeable surface permitted in residential areas. All Saints wishes to incorporate the
aesthetics of the neighboring pond to enhance our existing ministry as to the essential
characteristics of the locality. In order to take advantage of our own site plan and
the peacefulness of the pond setting, the memorial
You
The garden is located at the furthest reach of any of our neighbors. There are a total of
eight neighbors who will have a direct exposure to the garden. Two are located across Quinton
Road, effectively screened by evergreen trees and topography. Two neighbors at the north
end of those with an exposure are lightly screened by trees and bushes to the site that lies
approximately 150 to 250, I'm sorry, 150 to 200 feet from their property.
The proposed wall section will screen their view of the existing 5-foot high transformer
and electric meter service located on the building.
The remaining four neighbors are heavily screened by vegetation at 200 to 250 feet
from the proposed site.
Again, the proposed wall will screen the existing electrical equipment.
In addition to the village's notification of the neighbors, during the week of April
17th, we canvassed the neighborhood leaving a letter behind explaining that the village
will be contacting them soon and outlining our proposal.
During the canvass, we received no negative and some positive response, with most of
the neighbors taking a wait and see what the village will report attitude on
this
overhead so where is the fence and where is it going to be located on this
over where the physical location yeah if you want to yeah you could do it on
this one I don't wherever I'm kind of thinking I was just curious actually if
If you go over, you'll see your site on here, on the clicker.
On the clicker?
If we go, this might help.
There we go.
This may help you.
This area here is the proposed site.
And what's there right now?
Right now, could staff bring up the picture, the photograph of the area?
That's the existing area from essentially the ABS corrugated drain pipe to the existing patio is what we're proposing.
So we'll go beyond those trees?
No, sir.
Okay.
The lot line lies, the lot line is 16 feet, I'm sorry, 17 feet from the indent.
If you take the wall where the eight windows are in the background, the lot line comes out.
If you could use the pointer, can you use the pointer?
Sure.
It could be a little easier.
Okay.
The lot line comes out to about here.
It's 18 feet from this wall and 7 feet from this wall.
And this would be set back 2 feet from the property line.
Do you have any other questions?
Thank you.
Thank you anyone
who wishes to speak on this matter
Come on forward, please and
if you can raise your right hand, please
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Can you give us your name, please?
Marilyn Harder
last name for us H. A. R. D. E. R.
And your address, please 834 West
Exner Court
pelletine.
All right, if you can tell us that, whatever you'd like to say today.
Well, we live in a cul-de-sac that kind of fronts the pond over here. And I was just
wondering about that wrought iron fence. How far is that going to go? Are we going to be seeing it?
Is it going to be an eyesore? I already have problems with our neighbor next door who wants
to put up a four-foot picket fence and he's basically going to take our view away from
the pond. I think it's going to devalue our home. Can we petition somebody here to prevent
him from putting up a fence?
No, the fence would be allowed by code.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
But he's going to take away our view completely.
I can let the petitioners speak to that, but I believe it's going to be a four-foot
high wrought iron fence. I don't believe it's going to be a solid fence.
No, I'm talking about my neighbor next door. You know what your neighbor next door? That's probably
something you should contact the village separately from tonight if you want to have
that conversation. Okay, so I am a little worried about
this wrought iron fence as well. How far is that going to go?
Is it going to go right up to the pond? No, it's, if you
look on here, this red line right here, this is the fence.
And it's going to go kind of make like an L shape and it's going to be set back two feet from their lot line
And their lot line is not all the way to the pond
So there's there's a quite a bit of green space in between okay fence and the pond okay, so actually
If you look on this image here
You can see that there's this it won't go all the way it won't go to the tree
You won't go all the way to the end to the pond or into the trees, okay
because we like green space. I'm tired of people putting up fences all over the place
and just boxes everything in. We want to see trees and grass. We don't want to see fences.
How do I petition for my neighbor? Again, this is something you need to contact
the village separately from tonight. Tonight we're here to talk about the church. I'll
give you my card before you leave. Thank you. I'll just note to the petitioner
or once any residents or anyone wishes to speak,
once they're finished, you can come on back up
and if you wanna address any concerns or questions they have.
Would anyone else like to speak?
Hi, if you can raise your right hand please.
Do you swear to tell the truth?
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I do.
Thank you.
Can you give us your name please?
Jennifer Mullen-Kovash, M-O-L-A-N-D,
hyphen K-O-V-A-S-H.
Did you get that?
Awesome.
And your address?
3800 J. Lane, Rolling Meadows.
Thank you.
And go ahead if you can tell us your relationship to this manner and anything you'd like to say today.
I am one of the pastors at All St. Lutheran Church.
Before any of the homes or buildings that exist today were built along the west side of Quentin Road, there was a farm.
The Darling Farm.
farm. In the 1960s, Carl and Betty Darling sold their farm to a developer, and the landscape
of Palatine continued to change. In April of 1979, All Saints Lutheran Church organized
and began meeting at Framed High School. Over the next four years, they became a congregation
and acquired the land at 630 South Quentin, establishing the congregation as part of
community. Now nearly 40 years later, as Steve has indicated, All Saints hosts 12
community groups that meet weekly or monthly, and in the first quarter of
2017 the building was home to 21 different one-time events for the
community. We've been a pad site from the beginning. We partner with the
township to provide Christmas gifts and Easter baskets. We partner with PhD to
shower new families with necessities. We build homes with habitat, serve
free meals to the community during the summer months and invite any and all who need a place
to be on Thanksgiving to gather around our tables.
And on any given day, Sunday or weekday, people who call all saints their church home work
and serve to make our communities strong and vibrant.
I am thankful to have served at all saints since 2004.
At the church I am known for my love of baptism and the delight that I take in
flashing in the water, and letting people know that God loves them from the very beginning.
But it's not just at the beginning. Part of our calling as people of faith is to walk
with one another from the beginning to the end. I knew some of the history of this area,
but I learned more one day during the spring of 2015 when Scott Darling, the son of Betty
and Carl, called me. He shared his own memories of growing up on the land where
the church now sits, and then he said,
my mom, Betty Darling Holtz-Nagel, has died.
We're wondering, he said, if we can bring her back
to the farm, so to speak, for a funeral.
I said, Mr. Darling, it's what we do
from the beginning to the end.
The construction of this memorial garden
is an opportunity to provide a continuation
of the life services that we provide,
letting people know that God loves them from the beginning to the end and letting
people know that we're part of the community of Palatine making it
stronger from the beginning to the end. Thank you.
Thank you. Is there anyone else
who wishes to speak on this matter?
I don't know if the petitioner wants to come up
and address any question that the neighborhood resident had.
Such as?
Well, she wanted to know how far, I think we showed her, how far we're going in the fence
and how we look.
As I indicated, let's go back one.
That is the artist's rendering of the wrought iron fence that would come, essentially,
14.5 feet off of the building, which would leave approximately 30 feet from the fence to the pond.
Any other questions that I could respond to?
I don't think so.
Okay.
I appreciate the opportunity.
Thank you.
If anyone else wish to speak, any further questions,
then we're going to close this public hearing
and see if we have a recommendation for staff.
The location of the proposed patio and the height of the proposed fence and masonry wall meet code.
However, staff understands that any additional structures on the subject property will require lot coverage relief from the zoning ordinance.
As the existing lot coverage already exceeds the maximum permitted, staff does not believe that the proposed Memorial Garden will negatively impact the surrounding properties.
In addition, the Village Engineer has reviewed the plans and does not have any concerns.
Therefore, staff recommends approval of the variation request subject to the following condition.
The variation shall substantially conform to the site plans and elevation plans submitted by the petitioner on March 30th, 2017,
except as such plans may be changed to conform to village codes and ordinances.
Thank you.
Does anyone on the board have any questions on staff's recommendation?
Does the petitioner or anyone in the audience have any questions on staff's recommendation?
Close public hearing and see if we have a motion.
Motion to approve subject to staff's conditions.
Second.
We have a motion and a second.
Do we have any discussion?
Well, looking at the standards, in light of the fact that this is a church, which requires a significant parking,
you're going to have a lot covered issue just by definition of the nature of the property and the use of the property.
So I think unique circumstances have been established.
As far as the character of the locality,
I think it's the very minor change of the property
and as they've testified,
it's not going to interfere with the access of the lake
or the visibility from some of the other residents.
So I don't think it's gonna alter the essential character
and then the return, again,
because of the nature of the use,
I think a lot covered in any sort of alteration
the property you're going to need relief such as this.
I agree with everything you said, the parking lots
just make a lot of coverage, almost impossible to meet with the standards
that are there. This isn't really, there's still going to be a lot of space
between the fence and the pond.
It's not going to alter the essential character of that neighborhood. If it was going to block
that whole area off or something, it might, but this is just going to enter into a small
area by the church. I don't think that it will alter the character of the neighborhood
at all.
With a lot coverage issue, it's usually a case of those are flooding problems, and
with the huge pond right there, it's kind of a non-issue.
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking of that when we were talking about the lot coverage. It
to take it all right and up on.
I guess the one standard for a variation
I'm having a little trouble with is
I'm not sure that the property in question
cannot yield a reasonable return as permitted
to be used only under the conditions.
It kind of begs the question of what kind of return
is it trying to get on this property.
It's not like your standard business
or a residence that you would sell eventually
at some point.
So that's the one I'm battling with, I think the other ones are met pretty well.
I'd be interested to hear what you guys think about that one.
I think maybe it is, you know, it's already non-conforming with the lack coverage.
And giving the largest of the parcel, it's a small amount that's being requested.
And either way, because the lock coverage has changed since originally was plotted and built,
they would have to get some relief.
And I think that because the coverage has changed and not anticipating that,
they would anticipate that they would be able to put something like this,
It's not, you know, an additional huge construction, not additional building, but rather, you know,
a garden sectioned off by a wrought iron fence, I think.
I think it's a little bit returned that way, like they would expect maybe in the future
they would be able to add something like that, but with coverage changing, you know,
they then were not able to do that.
So I think, you know, you could look a little bit that way with, you know, the return
under the conditions by, you know, the current now lot coverage and zoning ordinances?
Yeah, and I think it's a good question that you raise. I mean, it's his own residential.
And so imagine this wasn't a church, instead it was a house, and it was close to lot coverage,
but they were really looking to enhance the outdoor area with this really nice outdoor, you know,
garden space or brick, paver, patio. They'd be sitting here explaining the same thing.
And in a sense, that would probably increase the value of the home if we were allowed to do that type of exception.
But this is very unique in the fact that churches are zoned residential.
And I think Ted had mentioned this too.
You know, just the parking lot alone.
Without even the church being built,
it's probably going to exceed lot coverage in cases like this.
Further?
All right, then we'll take a roll call, please.
Ms. Wood?
Yes.
Mr. McGinn?
Yes.
Mr. Quinn?
Yes.
Mr. Kavanaugh?
Yes.
Mr. Dietrich?
Yes.
Mr. Larson?
Yes.
There was a unanimous vote 6-0, this board having found that the standards for variation
have been met, and it's anticipated this goes for the Village Council on June 12th.
June 12th.
Thank you, everyone, for coming this evening, and we'll see if we have any communications.
Yeah, just our next meeting.
Our next meeting is going to be on June 13th.
We do have four items.
As always if you're not going to be able to attend, please let us know as soon as possible.
I don't believe any items went to council between our last meeting and now council will be having their first meeting.
I believe it's June 5th.
You will not appear June 13th.
Okay.
I think that's it.
All right.
Thank you.
I have a motion to adjourn.
So moved.
Second.
Motion is second to adjourn.
All those in favor.
Aye.
Not opposed.
It's hereby adjourned.
Thank you for your time.