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Well, it's 1800 hours. I'm going to call this workshop to order.

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we're going to start this meeting with a pledge of allegiance. And I'm going to have master chief batton lead us in the pledge.

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master chief. This is.

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united states of america. Sora tolley which it stands one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice
For all.

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hurrah! That was really encouraging, ladies and gentlemen.

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we all said that in unison and it was just echoing and. And it touches my heart.

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patriotism is alive here in palm bay.

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roll call, miss. Jones. Mayor. Medina president.

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deputy mayor. Felix here. Councilman johnson here. Councilman foster is absent.

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miss sherman here. Miss smith. Here. Thank you. Our first item on the agenda is discussion of an area we call the compound.

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so, madam sherman, I'm going to defer to you. And as you move forward with staff.

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thank you, mayor. Appreciate it. Appreciate everyone who's come out tonight. So what we're going to start off with is a presentation.

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it's going to be two of our team members taking the lead on providing an overview of the
Compound.

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we'll give you some history, some statistics just to sort of frame the conversation.

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we'll also talk about some potential options for things that we could do to develop the
Compound.

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and then obviously, part of the the idea of having a workshop is that we will take input
From the public and listen to you all.

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so we're going to start tonight with john young brown, who is one of our deputy city
Managers.

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she's going to kick us off and she'll be joined in a little bit by our police chief, mario
Ajello.

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so, john, I'll turn it over to you.

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good evening, mayor. Council members. Thank you for entertaining me tonight.

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so we have a presentation, kind of covers an overview of the compound data, statistics,
Ownership, things like that.

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so I'll give the overview. And then of course, if you have any specific questions, we can call up those relevant
Department heads or mrs sherman so going forward, the history of

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the compound, so palm bay was developed historically by general development corporation.

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there are other former gdc communities like port saint lucie.

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the compound is an area which is comprised of approximately 2942 acres, which includes
Rights of way within port malabar units 51,

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52 and 53. The compound consists of thousands of quarter acre single family residential lots
Pre-plotted by gdc and sold to individuals across the world in the 70 seconds, 80 seconds

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and 90 seconds through what they call mail order land sales.

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gdc paved approximately 200 miles of road and installed basic stormwater infrastructure
That includes outfalls, ditches, canals and head walls.

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uh, gdc, the company went through a series of indictments which ultimately led to their
Bankruptcy, and that's following.

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shortly after that, the city became incorporated. So some compound stats again.

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units 51 5253. They contain approximately 4978 parcels and it breaks it out by unit there.

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if you're interested. There are 2755 unique owners of land or property in the compound.

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sara land, llc is the largest single land owner. They own 775 parcels.

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the city of palm bay owns 129 parcels, mostly rights of way.

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and brevard county school board owns several large tracts for future school sites.

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one item of note that's not on this slide is that the average market value for a quarter
Acre single family lot in the compound is 2000

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$2,000. So city ownership on the screen, you'll see the parcels in red.

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those are parcels owned by the city. And so of that 4978 parcels, the city owns 129 parcels or 2.6% of the parcels within the
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in terms of acreage, the city owns 278.4 acres or 9.5% of the total acreage.

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several parcels appear to be future rights of way stormwater and future parks.

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it's kind of small, but here is a map of the existing zoning in the compound.

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you can see that nine 99.4% of the parcels within the compound are zoned single family.

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and I want to just draw your attention to the difference between acreage and parcels,
Because we're going to be going back and forth within the slides.

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on the differences between ownership control when it comes to parcels and acreage.

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so in the box you'll see single family residential of the total acreage is 72.3%.

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so 72.3% of all of the acreage in the compound is single family residential.

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the second highest number that's actually a zoning district is the institutional use, and
That's 7%.

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but if you go down excuse me, to the very bottom, it says all other zoning categories.

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that makes up 16%.

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so ownership and control. The compound, again contains 4978 parcels.

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the city owns 2.6% of those parcels. David mccallum owns 16%, 796 acres or sorry, parcels.

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and again mccallum is and these are parcels, not acreage.

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mccallum actually owns properties within the within the compound under several different
Entity names.

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so you'll see sarah land, you'll see david mccallum, trustee kogan wingham partnerships,
Those are all additional entities owned by mr.

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mccallum. The remaining 81.4% of those properties within the compound is all individually
And privately owned.

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and it's important to note that there are 2755 unique landowners in the compound.

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so just to draw your attention to this slide, this is a map that shows where the units
51, 52 and 53 are within the compound.

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it also identifies the roadways. It identifies water and sewer.

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I'm sorry. Water. Yes, water, sewer, roads. And the the key thing to note, let's see if I can make this work.

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there we go. There is there are three key points of access to the compound.

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there's there's a bombardier, which I unfortunately don't think I can get up that high.

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I'll just stay on the mic, ma'am. Bombardier at the top.

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osmosis there. And then we have saint andre boulevard. So those are the three key points of access to the compound.

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and that's going to be important as we start to talk about how we develop the compound,
Because you're going to have to target those specific corridors to really start

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to to bring development to the area and then kind of build out from there.

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so this is just, again, the three the three access points to the compound.

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so challenges. Limited access. As we talked about, there are only three key access roads.

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aging roads. Lack of water and sewer, no electricity, varied ownership and several.

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types of undesirable activity.

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some steps that staff has already taken to address the issues of the compound and try to
Move development towards the compound.

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I will say that I've talked to three specific departments, all of which who have recently
Made strides or tried to take steps to address issues in the compound.

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but we've also had other departments that are doing their part as well. So police, the palm bay police department performs security checks.

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the the police department performed an average of 381 annually.

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public works goes out and performs clearing of overgrowth. And that's really at specific key intersections of the compound community and economic
Development.

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in 2020, staff reached out to 24 property owners owning 32 lots at the intersection of
Bombardier and they received four

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responses. All of those responses were interested in selling whether or not we decide we
Want to go into land ownership and acquisition.

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we'll have to talk about later in this in this discussion. And the the final thing to note is the city.

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several departments met with fpl to talk about bringing power out to the area. That is a key component in order to bring development to the area.

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part of the challenge is the infrastructure needed in order to bring power out to the
Compound.

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an area as large as as the compound is and their need for a substation.

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so we can talk about what that looks like. So I'll do a quick overview of the public safety statistics and then I'll turn it over to
Chief ajello.

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this shows a response from police and fire going from 2017 to 2023.

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so you'll see it's kind of gone down and then it picks back up around covid and then it
Has declined again over time.

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so approximately 283 of those responses between these five years were for fire response
Emergency medical services to include 32 brush fires like

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the one that we just had yesterday and 241 ems and fire responses.

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it's important to note that this does not include the security checks that pd does, 300
On an average of 381 times annually.

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and with that, I'll turn it over to chief ajello.

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welcome, chief.

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good evening, mayor. Council staff. So with regards to our police response, in terms of public safety for the area of the
Compound, what we we know as the compound.

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so from 2023, from year to date, what we see on the screen here in terms of the types of
Calls for service we received and or

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self initiated by our officers. So anywhere from vehicle burglaries, traffic stops, self initiated off road vehicle type
Complaints and or self-initiated activity by the officers,

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suspicious vehicles, shootings in terms of individuals going out to the compound where
It's secluded on certain roadways out there and using it as target practice to fire the

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weapons all the way down to animal complaints and abandoned vehicles and fires.

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and the list goes on. So that's 20, 20, 23 to date on 2022.

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here we go a little bit more in terms of number of responses we have for those
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so just to go back to 2020. 2020 is when we saw an increase in activity in that area of the compound.

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not sure if it's due to it was during the height of covid or whatever the case may be or
During the covid times.

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but we saw an increase in calls for service for the year previous to 2019.

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so in 2020, we had an increase, total calls for service for the compound of 964 or 800
Plus calls for service leading into 2021, which was

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964 calls for service. All those calls for service encompassed and covered all of those that were listed here on
This slide.

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and on the last slide, we had a problem. The biggest problem at that time was we had an increase in off road vehicle crashes and
Fatalities for those doing the atvs and side by sides and things of

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that nature and dirt bikes. So we had to come up with some type of strategy to ensure we had we can enforce and
Incorporate some type of public safety out there.

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so with a collaborative effort with us, palm bay police department, city of palm bay,
Saint johns water management district, fwc, melbourne, tillman waterways,

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we were able to get trespass signs erected as long as as well as we were working with the
State attorney's office to find a state statute that fit

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the bill in terms of what we can use to enforce with regards to the shootings that was
Happening out there in terms of target practice, which we were able to get one, we had our

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sign shop from the city traffic design shop, make some signs for us.

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we posted them out there on several locations out close over to the canal where it's the
Right across the canal where the three forks marsh conservation area put signs

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up there. The city even went out. Don't know how many streets we have out there, but it's quite a few and painted crosswalk
Stripes strips on the roadways to also enhance our ability to conduct traffic

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enforcement because don't really have signs out there or to do traffic enforcement on
Stop signs and things of that nature.

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on top of that, as deputy city manager mentioned, our off duty securities that we've been
Doing, details that we've been doing out there monthly for the weekends and also during

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the day, during the weekdays. We're out there doing security details separate from our patrol activities and our
Enforcement zone activities on our regular patrol calls.

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so. Our numbers have decreased since 2020 from 900 plus to 5 to 600.

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but nonetheless, there's still activity that's taking place out there. To me, my biggest concern or I think the biggest contribution to that that's contributing
To it is it's in the middle of nowhere and there's a lot of vegetation

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that's overgrown, a lot of concealment. People feel safe that are going out there looking to do criminal activity.

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not everybody that goes out there is engaging in criminal activity. You know, whether we can interpret it, whether you are trespassing so that it's criminal.

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but I'm talking about violent crime type of criminal activity. Some folks are going out there just to hang out, teaching their kids how to drive,
Whatever the case may be.

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but a large percentage of them are going out there, are operating their atvs and off road
Vehicles illegally.

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we are having target practice happening out there. Fortunately, we this past, as everybody knows, on christmas, this past christmas, we had
A double homicide of two young boys.

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so there is criminal activity that's happening in this area. In terms of our public safety strategy, we're going to continue to do what we're doing
And what we've been doing.

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we believe that we are making somewhat of an impact. But again, it's a over 2700 acres, which is about 12.2mi².

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it's part of our zones of enforcement and our zones of patrolling. And we're out there as much as we can be.

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in between calls for the southeast and southwest corridor, which encompasses about 50 to
60,000 people in the city of palm bay.

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so with that being said, if you guys have any questions.

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we're good. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes your presentation. Yes, sir. All right.

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so I guess our. Deputy city managers coming up.

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thank you. Yes, I'll finish out the rest of the presentation.

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so I wanted to talk a little bit about opportunities and things that could be done to
Address and some of the things that are being done to address the

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compound. So we talk about wanting to bring growth and development to the compound, which
Will deter some of the undesirable activity.

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so strategic growth and development looks like commercial industrial entertainment type
Of uses and it brings private capital investment.

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it's going to bring jobs. And there are already companies that are doing this.

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like, for example, you have brp, bombardier recreational products that's out there and
They recently expanded.

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so there are opportunities to leverage that and try to bring more growth and development
To the area.

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and we'll talk about a key parcel that the city owns in the compound as well ecotourism,
Outdoor recreation, entertainment, amenities to support the recreation that already occurs

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out in the compound. So that's been thrown out there as well. Um, other types of activities that have been taking place in the compound that are on the
More productive side are things like we've got folks that utilize the range which is not

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far from there. Hurricane paintball park generally within that area, drone races by
Florida tech engine testing by larson motorsports and in the city's

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more recent history, the tough mudder.

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so other next steps, other things that we could do to start to really try to bring growth
And development out to the compound are things like doing an addendum to our recently

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passed, recently adopted economic development strategic plan that looks strictly at the
Compound opportunities to leverage the compound and what types of activities and

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commercial industrial growth could occur out there. Re designating the future land use and administratively rezoning sections along key
Corridors.

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so we talked about those three access points bombardier osmosis and saint andre.

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the ace corridor study for saint john's heritage parkway. We have a map that will probably bring up later.

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I believe the mayor has it on on cue. It will show you where the saint john's heritage parkway originally was intended to go
Through the compound.

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and so that's another opportunity in the future, bringing an fpl substation, as fpl
Shared with the city part of their challenge with meeting our needs as they would need to

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install an fpl substation. This requires large tracts of land. It requires capital investment.

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we could look at something like utilizing a city parcel to help them meet that need.

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future city utilities plant expansion would also be needed. We can continue to do letters to the property owners, reach out to them, or we can engage
A land assembly specialist.

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working with outside consultants to help with studies land assemblage.

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for example, the city recently received an unsolicited proposal from the euclid group.

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public private partnerships, special special assessments, special districts, and of
Course, the last two words, eminent domain.

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so last resort. And with that I would ask if you have any questions.

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I'm happy to try and answer them. If I can't answer them, we can call up the appropriate directors.

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thank you, mayor. The main thing I wanted to touch on, you spoke about opportunities and
A few years ago we mentioned you and I had spoken as well as suzanne spoke about

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opportunity zones. Currently the opportunity zone for palm bay and the saint sebastian river preserve state
Park.

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but I see this as a better location for an opportunity zone.

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can you talk me through the process of what it would take to make it where the compound
Area is, the opportunity zone, as opposed to the saint sebastian river preserve state

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park, which can't even be utilized for it? So I remember we had this discussion before.

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unfortunately, that is the area designated as the opportunity zone for palm bay.

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the and we looked at how we can designate a different area of the city as an opportunity
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that is something that has to be done through the governor. So we could work with our lobbyists.

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we could as a council body make a decision to send a letter. So whatever that looks like, we can certainly look at that.

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staff would be happy to do that. And also for the public. Can you speak on what an opportunity zone is?

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so I'm a little rusty in opportunity zones since I haven't had to use the one we have
Here. But essentially it's a zone that allows favorable tax credits and things for developers,
Essentially, you know.

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um, financial organizations. Things can pump money into this trust fund, if you will.

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and those funds could be used by developers to bring certain types of development and
They receive tax credits.

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the, the, the financiers, if you will, receive tax credits over time.

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and along that same vein, councilman johnson we can actually create something like that
Ourselves as well.

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but those empowerment zones, they worked out very well for the county. If you remember up in the north, commissioner robin fisher did an outstanding job with
That.

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so that I like those ideas, sir, that I think we're on the same page with that.

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so thank you. Was that it? Yeah. I would just like for us to look into that. Even if the compound is in the area, saint sebastian river preserve state park cannot be.

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it can't be utilized. So we need to get it changed one way or another. But I see the compound being as the best fit for it.

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so I would like for us to look into that. Mayor absolutely. And if it takes letters, I think we have consensus here to start moving in that
Direction.

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but creating our own empowerment zones is, is the way we should we have direct access for
That, right, sir?

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but yes, sir, I love that idea. So any other questions?

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deputy mayor? Mayor, my question would be I don't know if you'll be able to answer that
Or we can bring miss bernard.

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it's regarding the update of our comp plan.

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was there any specific recommendation for that particular area? I know that was a big part, even from the community.

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we have quite a bit of feedback as to what they would like to see and so on.

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so I'd like to get an update as to what were, if any, recommendations in terms of all.

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yes. So the visioning study, the visioning process, a lot of the public that came out and
Including staff all identified the compound as an area for commercial

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industrial growth. So I think that that's probably the number one thing that we heard in the visioning
Study.

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but of course, if if I'm incorrect, then alex can come up.

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okay. And that's fine.

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I think it might be an opportunity there as well. Certainly looking at the current, if we looked at the pie shape chart,

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72.70 2.3% is strictly residential.

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so it might be an opportunity there as well, because what would happen is as soon as we
Have one development there, but you'll see naturally it'll bring

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more people would be willing to sell. And that's sparked some some movement out there.

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so I think as far as the land use and zoning will play a big part of of some movement out
There.

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I wanted to highlight this parcel. See if I can get there. Okay.

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so that triangular parcel underneath the purple, it's a shaded gray.

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it's zoned general use. That's a city parcel. That's a 30 acre parcel.

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it does have I mean it dead ends where bombardier dead ends where water and sewer, I
Believe dead ends.

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so that's an area that we've really been looking at to try and bring development to the
City or to the compound specifically because we own it.

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so we control it. It's got general use holding zoning, which allows a variety of
Different things.

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we've talked internally about rezoning that to light industrial, heavy industrial,
Depending on what the, you know, what types of industry the city is seeing interest out

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here. I know that nancy bunch, our community and economic development director, can talk
About the stuff that she's worked on when it comes to collaborating with our economic

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development commission to bring to bring end users and employers out to this area.

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and this is one parcel that has been of interest to a few confidential projects.

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okay. Well, thank. Thank you, ma'am. And right along that same vein, this is this fits right in with what the discussion is.

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right. Is getting part of that investing into our community in this regard.

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that means this council making that type of effort because we do have a unique
Opportunity this we can control and that can create and

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spur future growth in regards to commercial.

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and it is one of the entrance ways. But I don't have a question for you.

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I may have some as we continue to discuss.

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but right now, if you're. Are you done, deputy mayor, sir. Thank you. Okay. So right now, what I'd like to do is is commend the audience for their
Participation here today.

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and thank you for attending this workshop. Ladies and gentlemen, this is an issue that's been plaguing our city for for decades.

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and in that your participation is critical for everyone up on this dais.

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so any idea, any input that you have is welcomed?

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I do have two individuals that are going to lead us off with speaking, and the first one
Is going to be mister tom gomm.

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he has a presentation to share with us.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. May I approach? Yes, sir. Come on.

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but good evening, mr. Mayor. I think when we talk about this, the first thing we need to do is establish one fact.

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any recreational activity on the mic or bring. Can you bring it up some more?

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bring up the lectern. Any recreational activity that goes on in the compound starts with an intent, an intent
To break the law, whether it be

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trespassing. Disregarding traffic signs. Speeding. A property damage, damage to our canals that keep our houses safe during the
Hurricanes.

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so I'd prepared tonight. But some other things happened during the day that I'd like to speak about.

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but when we talk about the compound, the main thing we know is we lose people out there,
Not just people predominantly black young

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men by a vast majority.

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having a long range plan to develop the compound has been the goal for the last 20 years.

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so it's a great long range plan. We can plan all day.

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but we need a solution to stop from stacking up two bodies a year to the compound.

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two bodies a year. Councilman. Johnson. You've been up there six years.

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I think you'd agree that you've seen too many of these.

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they talked about getting trespassing signs and signs for the ordinance for shooting.

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they did. They got shot up.

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these are the canals we rely on to keep our homes safe during a hurricane.

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people own that property that is damaged.

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there's a note there. There's a small child on the front of that four wheeler with no helmet on.

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things go on out there that are dangerous. Yesterday afternoon, I was talking with our past city manager, lee feldman.

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when I said, lee, I don't have the numbers to back it up, but I don't think we know about
10% of the stuff that goes on in the compound.

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he said that's probably an accurate statement.

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the residents that live around the compound obviously don't want these things going on
Out there.

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so one of the things I looked at was in the email I sent the console.

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was drones to patrol the compound. The new skydio drones.

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they contract people, infrared, all kinds of sensors.

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there's also spot technology. That. It's a letter I sent you.

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but yesterday, governor desantis signed sb 102.

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that has to do with affordable housing. And one of the things the most important to me at least.

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is the governor, under the florida job growth grant fund, can approve state and local
Public infrastructure projects to facilitate the development and construction

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of affordable housing. Thank you. Found that same 33 acres. Thank you. Thank you.

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our next presentation will be mr. Jordan. You bring that down, mr.

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jordan? On jordan 2141 madden avenue.

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we live about two blocks from the compound. Just to the east.

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these pictures I took sunday afternoon at 130.

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you can see a pickup truck doing spin outs on the property that's owned by the city.

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right at the corner of madden avenue and osmosis.

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there goes a dirt bike or buy on his way to the compound.

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is followed by three more. Two more and then three more after that.

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this goes on. Every friday, saturday and sunday.

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I mean, we have so much noise. And look at all that dust. It's coming right at our house.

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I have made probably 100 phone calls reporting activity there.

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and sometimes they can come out. But most of the time, you know, we're short handed and the police department, so they
Can't always do anything.

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but it's very noisy on weekends. It's awfully it's it's really you don't want to sit outside because there's so much noise
And that dust flying around, it's really a

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nuisance. Now, this is city property that the city would be responsible if anybody got
Hurt on.

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there goes the truck again.

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so it's really a problem that has gone on in the five years that we've lived at that
Property, and we sure like to see something done

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to calm it down. Thank you very much. Thank you. I have a question, sir.

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what is it? Unit 53. Where you live in what unit?

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we're in 49. 49. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. The dividing line is the canal.

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it's about a block to the east or to the west of madden avenue.

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all right. Thank you, mr. Jordan. Thank you. At this time.

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I want to ask any individual that wants to speak. You're up first, ma'am.

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you raise your hand up quickly. Then you're number two.

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yes, sir. Butch, you're number two. Take it two at a time.

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and then your three, sir.

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negative. Come on up, ma'am. Hello, ma'am. Medina. Ma'am, can you hear me?

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closer. Okay. Hello, ma'am. Medina. Thank you guys for having us this evening. Related to the compound.

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I run the angels bridging gaps autism support group here in brevard, and I'm having an
Event coming up on april 29th, helping hands family festival to help deal with some of the

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issues that we have in brevard. We know that it isn't just palm bay. It's brevard county.

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and we have issues going on in our schools. We have issues going on in our homes.

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we have issues going on with our police department in terms of being able to manage our
Youth.

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I really feel that one of the things that we, if any, possibility there is to be able to
Put together something like a community center.

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I know donnie and I worked together years ago, and one of the things that we feel that we
Need in brevard county, we don't have a boys and girls club for our palm bay youth.

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we need some place for them to meet, some place for them to feel a part of their
Community.

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one of my suggestions is creating that community center that could also house both teens
And young adults with disabilities.

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I run a small program here at malabar baptist church right now because we have so many
Young people sitting at home not doing anything and not feeling a part of the community

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around them. If they could be part of something like that and actually run that community
Center, give them jobs to run the community center, and then staff it with mental

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health counselors and social workers so we can work with families to help keep these
Children at home.

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this would be something that would be useful for our community. The reason that we have so many issues at the compound is because young people go there
To gather.

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they go there to do their bonfires. They go there for activities because they don't have someplace else to go.

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so my desire would be to see us develop something that could benefit all of the youth in
Our community.

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our young adults with disabilities. Because I've had a close relationship with the police department, sheriff's department
And circles of care.

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we need those spaces. I've been working closely with betsy farmer and some of the other ways for life
Organizations.

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we have no housing for young adults with disabilities or our young adults that are having
More problems at home.

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there's no place for them to go. Crosswinds has 12 vacancies and fell 12 spaces.

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they have no vacancies at all. We have no place for our young adults and our teens to go to when they're causing all
These issues.

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and we see this bubbling into our schools and into a lot of our homes. And again, dealing with the police department and the circle that keeps going around.

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so I would love to see something like that. Thank you, ma'am. And I just put.

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you're up. I'd like staff to duly note this young lady's comments because I think we
Could definitely

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this is an opportunity for partnership. Carry on, sir, which ran to 19 trenton avenue here in palm bay, florida.

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I have several pictures of different things at the compound, but due to my inability to
Manage the data, I couldn't get it sent to you.

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suzanne. I tried three times and it kept coming back. Anyhow, you had a map picture up there just a few seconds ago.

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can you zoom to madden avenue north up there?

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right. The thing is, they've put brand new, sparkling, shiny stop signs and street signs
With names on them.

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and there's the street. There's no street there. There's woods.

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okay. And like I said, I've got the pictures in the locations that I'll get them to. Susan suzanne. I can figure out how.

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so if you go north on madden, it's a dirt grass road combined and both streets east and
West side, there's new stop

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signs, new street signs. And you can look down the street and see nothing but bushes.

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so you follow that on around and you end up on madden.

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they're building a new house on madden avenue. There's no street.

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there's no nothing there. I don't know. I don't know how fire would respond to it. But they've got to permit.

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they've started working on it. And that's on the.

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south end of madden. Along the canal there.

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the other issue if you go. All the way to the end.

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where? San filippo and. The compound. Meet saint andrews.

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I think it is boulevard. Okay. Okay.

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there is a portable concrete factory out there. Just parked. I don't know if it's on city property, private property or what.

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I've got a good picture of it that I can share with you when it comes to.

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other than that, it's, you know, I don't know what to have to tell you to do with the
Compound.

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that's something you guys are going to have to work out. But you drive around the city and you see a stop sign that's turned white.

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it's not red anymore. There's no stop sign to it. It's just the octagon. But yet we got new ones in the compound.

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just kind of confusing to this old boy. Okay. And go for you.

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thank you. All right. Y'all have a good night. Thanks. Thank you. You were number three, sir.

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sir. In the orange.

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my name is victor carrasco, and I grew up out here.

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my thing is. What are you going to do when you guys start building and take away everything?

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and we got nowhere to ride. No more. We're going to look just like miami.

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they have these rides in the streets. Everybody knows them. Epic old town.

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is that what we want? You're going to take away our safe haven where we're able to ride.

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and now they're pretty much just going to take to the streets. They have law enforcement chasing them.

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but look at how many people show up at the rides. It's severely outnumbered.

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and I'm just saying that's always been a place for us to go and ride.

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and I've been going out there since I was a kid in diapers with my family having a good
Time.

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but it seems like if we get rid of that area, we're just going to look like miami,
Orlando, daytona when all these rides happen.

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and people can say that's not going on, but it really is. Martin luther king ride just happened, what, a couple of months ago.

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look how many people were on the news for it riding atvs, dirt bikes, street bikes, side
By sides.

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all vehicles were in that ride. And is that what we really want to happen around here?

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this has always been an area for us to escape after a hard day's work.

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go enjoy ourselves. To a certain extent.

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some of us own property out there. And I've even had incidents where we're on a property we're allowed to be on.

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police show up and tell us to leave even though we have permission to be there.

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it happened not even a month ago. I pulled up with a truck and trailer on private property, have permission from the owner,
And was told to leave.

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I'm just saying there's a lot more to this that needs to be looked into.

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but I feel like if you getrillionid of that area. It's going to get worse.

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then better. So that's just my input on that situation.

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just speaking up for the people we hang out with and we ride with all the time.

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and believe it or not, there's multiple of us on facebook groups.

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you know, we've got groups of people that do meetups just to go ride around in a jeep all
Day in the back trails, four wheelers.

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people say we're ruining the property. We're following the same trails that have been out there for over 20 years.

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some of us have been out there so long, like, you know, my family members that have been
Going out there since the 80 seconds.

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when it was just only woods before the grounds were put down.

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but that's just my input. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

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who else wishes to speak? This. Got lots.

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one at a time. Your first. Um, this young lady.

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everyone's going to get an opportunity to speak. Ma'am, you're next.

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and, mr. Batten, you're your third. Hi. My name is thomas mcewen.

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I live at 120 holleran street, southeast palm bay. I'm here to represent spaceport rocketry association.

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we are national association of rocketry club and tripoli rocketry club.

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we have a permit out there in the compound to fly our rockets, and we support a multitude
Of university students

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flying their rockets for competition with nasa and out at the spaceport in new mexico.

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we're certifying those flights for them. We support cub scouts.

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we support church groups. We support high schools in the team america rocketry challenge, which is they can win
Scholarships.

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700 teams throughout the united states compete and they have to select down to 50.

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we support those events. We've been out there since approximately 73.

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but in this area where we have our permit, we've only been there since about 1998 because
We moved

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it away from the. The barge canal.

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um, we would still like to be able to be out there someplace.

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the problem is, is that with our rockets, we need a large amount of unoccupied area.

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and if we have the need you to really speak on the mic, if we really have the parkway, we
Can't fly

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our rockets because there will be more than 15 cars per hour driving past us and we
Cannot find any farmland or anything else in the

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area that can because the farmers or ranchers say, oh, rockets, no, you can't come out
Here.

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you can't walk across my. My grass. You scare the cows and everything else.

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and we support from all the way from titusville up in the northern famu, all the way down
To

363
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:43,550
miami universities and high schools all on the west coast.

364
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:48,290
we're the only group that they can come to.

365
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:52,370
we would still like to be able to be out there and.

366
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:57,530
it would be great if there was a park out there that would have a large enough area that
We could share with other peoples and other groups.

367
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,240
that's what I'm asking for. Have you have you had a dialog with nasa?

368
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,490
we have. We're supporting the college students and high school students with in a competition with
Nasa.

369
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:21,330
they'll be up in alabama in two weeks competing for scholarships and bragging rights.

370
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:27,780
this is an event that they have to turn in to nasa.

371
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:32,340
six documents throughout the year, proposals and things like that.

372
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:36,600
and that looks great on a resume even if they don't win the competition.

373
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:43,250
and we still want to support these groups.

374
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:49,040
we're the space coast. Let us be able to fly rockets.

375
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:55,610
thank you. Thank you. Ma'am. You were.

376
00:43:58,430 --> 00:44:01,280
mr. Robinson, would you assist her in? Thank you. Yeah.

377
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,120
okay. Ooh.

378
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:15,940
feels better. That's good. And my name is oliver nieves.

379
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:18,840
I have 33 years living mostly in palm bay.

380
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:23,400
I am familiar with the compound land or area.

381
00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:32,670
I visited few times. I even went go car with one of my kids.

382
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:38,850
unbelievable. Unforgettable.

383
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:44,770
beautiful area. The way these kids had.

384
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:47,590
there are things going in there and it's a shame.

385
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:53,020
it's sad that the people today use it to commit crime.

386
00:45:00,130 --> 00:45:00,130
we just had one dump garbage or junk things rather than have

387
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:11,980
fun like we did. And my suggestion is.

388
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:16,540
time to develop that area, especially we should build.

389
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:25,950
in downtown palm bay.

390
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,000
this city don't have downtown.

391
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:34,260
we need to go melbourne, downtown or a lot of stuff.

392
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:39,990
bieri. I think we should have our own downtown.

393
00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:46,590
another thing that I suggest will be in a most amusement park.

394
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:54,050
okay. Rather than go so far this gnage or whatever we can just minutes to one of these
Attractions.

395
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:03,770
also, we should have a similar to a wet and wild.

396
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:09,680
remember those that could be very nice in that area or am so

397
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:19,160
am. Like a big flea market for the community will be nice and.

398
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:29,690
we need to build for the community because this has been for many years a community
Thing.

399
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:38,600
a teenager child's stuff, you know.

400
00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:43,450
and I think we should keep it that way or try to keep it safe and better.

401
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:56,330
monitor that area. Somehow to keep it going because it's a beautiful, nice area and it's good for the
Community.

402
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:09,480
it's very good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Master chief.

403
00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:17,190
okay. Master chief. Okay. Bill batten, 586 ocean spray street southwest.

404
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,330
I've got six items to address on this one. Number one, we just had the meeting on.

405
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:34,310
infrastructure and in the compound area. So remember, unit 49 is the gateway to that area.

406
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:38,270
so let's don't let that depreciate because it's one more time where if you have your
First impression looking, okay, this is part of the city, then that kind of slows

407
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,940
things down just a little bit. So let's don't let that one fail.

408
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:55,980
item number two. Under the building initiatives.

409
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:58,440
and when I say this, you're going to look at me strange because I'm a big I'm against tax
Abatement because that's what keeps the city running.

410
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:09,360
we won't have any funds if we give tax abatement for everything. But there is like I was just brought up.

411
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:16,290
governor desantis had just proposed for the homeless incentive. That's something we might be able to work because that will help people start building in
That area.

412
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,650
which leads to some of my other topics. I was glad to see that you're already talking with florida power and light on getting a
Substation out there now.

413
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:33,810
I'm going on 36 years living here. Those are the people that know me. They I am at the compound area also unit.

414
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,090
I mean canal 13. That's where I live.

415
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,690
but when I moved here, there was no power out there either. I had to pay.

416
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:46,790
I had to pay to get florida and power to bring power out to my house.

417
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:52,730
that might be what people have to do. It might not be that the city covers it or florida power is footing the bill.

418
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,330
part of that, that could be part of your incentive. The city will help you get power here to build your house just for possibility.

419
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,740
item number four. If we start getting people to start building out there close to at least coming in and
Out.

420
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:11,060
remember, people don't like to do bad things in the light of day.

421
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,380
they have a tendency to do them where nobody can see it. So if you have people that are starting to move into that area or live out in that area
Or businesses, that means more eyes, which means more supervision.

422
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:26,600
more supervision means less hell raising.

423
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,070
and that lowers the bad behavior. Item number five.

424
00:49:36,670 --> 00:49:36,670
it. Remember that this area, though, is right next to the saint johns heritage.

425
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,570
it's right next to the saint johns floodplain. So we have to be real careful about what we're trying to build in that area.

426
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:46,810
and that's a detriment for trying to get massive developments just because of the
Elevation.

427
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,770
so just remember that where the location is. Item number six.

428
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:56,660
you're not breaking a law if you own the property out there.

429
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:00,860
I know many people that build stuff after they have their own atv camps.

430
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:08,370
some of them have their own private ranges. Right. But I can also speak for the people that come out there that don't have their own
Land.

431
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:18,380
we have loss of livestock. That's what happens when people don't follow the rules and regulations.

432
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:26,210
thank you very much. I know you have a hard decision on how you're going to get there. Thank you. I want to go on this end.

433
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:30,620
I'll have. Let me let me start the gentleman way back and then you, ma'am.

434
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,530
and then your third. No. Come on up.

435
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:48,160
you're number two. You're number three. She's number two.

436
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,790
now the one behind you. You, ma'am. All right.

437
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,820
well, good evening and thank you for holding this meeting. I have been long awaiting to have this opportunity to present my concern about the
Compound on.

438
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:14,650
quite a bit of property in that area for a while. And one of the men concerned that I have of course, you've heard it, you know, the all
The crimes that are happening out there.

439
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:23,080
that's a very that's a great concern and a lot of damage even to my property has been
Done.

440
00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:31,180
so that's also a concern. And one of the main thing that I wanted to address today is the fact that.

441
00:51:36,010 --> 00:51:36,010
I am paying for stormwater in an area that is not receiving.

442
00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:45,450
hardly any services and it's extremely expensive. I'm paying right now.

443
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:46,470
I've been paying for many years over $2,000 a year for a property that's not receiving
Any services.

444
00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:55,830
actually, as we speak right now, it's unbuildable.

445
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,040
so I just want to bring it to your attention. If you could make a special consideration to the best that I know, this is the only area
In palm bay that is not buildable right now.

446
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:09,750
so if you would consider to at least lessen the amount that we're paying for the
Stormwater, I personally I'm paying over

447
00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:19,350
$2,000 every year, which is that for one property, one property, how many properties do
You have?

448
00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:25,890
it's one, it's a it's a fairly large parcel, you know, parcel.

449
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,900
yeah. I'm paying over $2,000. How many acres? It's 11 acres. 11 acres. Okay.

450
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,610
thank you. Yeah. Which is unusable. Of course. We are working hard and it is my hard earning investment.

451
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:44,020
it's an investment. And right now I already paid more in stormwater than what I paid for
The property.

452
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:48,910
so there should be a special consideration and you should be looking into it that the
Fact that it's not buildable, you're not providing any services at all.

453
00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:57,730
we're paying taxes and I do understand the stormwater is important and I do support it.

454
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:03,190
but the fact that it's not buildable, it's an investment in right now it's sitting there,
People trying to keep it open to

455
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,720
do all kind of activities over my property and there I am. I'm paying for an investment that I've my hard earned working money and then that is not
Buildable and.

456
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:25,930
I've already paid more in stormwater than the property is worth and right now it's
Absolutely, you know, the value is extremely, you know, with

457
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,340
all the things that are going around the compound, we cannot build. Nobody wants to be out there.

458
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:43,780
people want to keep it open to for recreation. And there I am. I'm paying all this money when I'm not getting no services.

459
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:47,320
so please, please, if you would reconsider, I can understand.

460
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,980
I am a resident here. I'm more than happy you're giving me services.

461
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,840
although many times, by the way, the service is finally. Once in the last two years, they finally come and do my back.

462
00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:05,380
you know the area, the general area behind my backyard for the. Thank you, ma'am. Water.

463
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:09,550
I do have a question for you. Yes. How long have you had the. The property? Um, a long time ago.

464
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:17,230
up since 2003. Okay. And since that time, you knew it was on.

465
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:22,700
you couldn't build on it. Is that correct? Yes.

466
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:25,010
and so my my question is as an investment.

467
00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:31,430
right. You mentioned investment. Would you be willing to have go through a special assessment to develop that area?

468
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:36,920
would you be one of those that that would say yes to something like that?

469
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:45,590
I would love to, but I cannot afford it right now. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. So please do consider and see what can be done, at least in that particular area,
If we could pay, you know, a lesser rate.

470
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:55,920
thank you, ma'am. You know, some order. Thank you. Thank you. Um, you were number two, ma'am.

471
00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:02,160
come on up. Is that kay mirage? Yes, it is. I'm sorry, ma'am.

472
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:11,450
good evening, council and mayor staff. I am happy that you're actually holding this workshop and this has to be one of those two
Pronged approaches mr mentioned.

473
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:21,200
the first one is how do we protect it now? And I think he had some good points in terms of looking at surveillance and these using
Technology to solve the problem now.

474
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,550
and I think that's something that you shouldn't just look over. Just make sure that it's something we consider because there is a need at this point.

475
00:55:36,110 --> 00:55:38,300
secondly is our future plan. And when I look at the compound, what, over 12 acres of property there and what can we do
With it?

476
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:47,540
now I see the city has, what, 30 plus acres there and 99% of the surrounding lots are
Zoned single family

477
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:57,230
residential. I want us to consider looking at rezoning that area, not only just changing
It to to accommodate

478
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:08,880
the the big companies. There are small people who want to have their businesses there and no opportunity because
It's zoned single family.

479
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:19,560
we need to start looking at multifamily homes as well. Zoning as well, not only for condos, townhomes, but for duplexes, quads.

480
00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:25,050
there are smart people who actually want to actually have an investment property right
Beside them.

481
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:32,700
we are not even looking at that. So to me, changing one of the zonings to multifamily zoning.

482
00:56:36,510 --> 00:56:36,510
secondly, I would of course look at the giving people opportunities since they are
Multiple owners there if they

483
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,340
choose to rezone. I don't know. The whole process is that making it simpler and easier, giving people raise
Their hand if they would be interested in rezoning theirs to multi use.

484
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:56,340
so if you have multi use zoning, it gives you again that opportunity to do anything
There.

485
00:57:03,450 --> 00:57:03,450
the 30 acres that the city have, I say there are people right now who are interested in
Having riding their atvs.

486
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:11,430
why not look to shop there a portion of that property to those companies that are
Actually doing it already, bringing the people here,

487
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,820
that's bringing people into the city of palm bay. So imagine this.

488
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:26,340
there's a portion that does the outdoor activities, the ecotourism.

489
00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:30,510
there are people do that shop that to them, let them do those activities.

490
00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:39,030
then imagine having an amphitheater nearby. Now we're doing festival concerts and so that makes us the entertainment hub for the
County.

491
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:49,680
nobody has all of that. So bring those people in. And then surrounding zoning, that will allow businesses to pop up so bars, restaurants
Will pop up with individuals owning them.

492
00:57:58,980 --> 00:57:58,980
not only big businesses, of course, if like the lady with her 11 acres, if that was that
Opportunity to be rezoned to light industrial, of course that would be a good

493
00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:12,330
idea. So I think we should look into that kind of concept. Rezoning has to be a priority and of course, shopping it.

494
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,040
thank you. Yes, ma'am.

495
00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:33,490
being mayor. And everybody here close to the mic, please. Sorry, I talk softly anyway.

496
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:38,200
okay. Good evening, mayor. And everybody that's here. I'm listening. I live at on gancedo street, not far from the compound.

497
00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:47,420
I've been there. 22 years. So I've seen a lot of development over the last 20 years, 22 years that I've been here.

498
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,280
I was listening to one of the representatives, I think it was the first lady about the
Development of the heritage parkway into 95

499
00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:05,210
and everything. Do anybody have an idea of when that's going to take place?

500
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:12,800
it's going to be a while. It's going to be a while. It's down range right now, man.

501
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:15,600
the only reason why I'm asking is because I spoke to moe allen, the real estate, one of
His people, and I spoke to danielle that's

502
00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:27,290
upstairs in the city department. And I'm looking to well, not myself.

503
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:33,200
not only myself. My son and I are looking to build a business out there.

504
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:36,320
and it's covered some of the.

505
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:45,590
some of the things that you all talked about, about building out there right now. I don't want to announce it to everybody, but if you take me to the site later, I'll tell
You what what we're trying to do and we would like at

506
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:54,950
least 50 to 100 acres for it.

507
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,870
so we already have investors. We already have.

508
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,810
money to buy the land. We know who's going to do everything for us.

509
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:10,600
so that's why I was wondering how long the parkways were open.

510
01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:17,090
so it would be beneficial for everybody because I know the road over there by on
Bombardier is not

511
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:26,750
wide enough to handle any kind of busy traffic especially coming from 95.

512
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:35,510
it's it's not feasible. You know, people will get cut off and say, nah, I don't want to go there after we spent
All this money to do something out there to benefit the community.

513
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:46,130
it will help everybody out in the long run as far as jobs and everything else.

514
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:54,440
so that's why I was asking. But like I said, later on, if anybody wants if you want to know, I'll tell you what we're
Doing and hopefully you can give me some ideas.

515
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:03,710
some of the programs that you mentioned that we can go ahead and see if we can get
Started.

516
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:11,650
or look for something somewhere else. But we want to stay in palm bay because that's our home.

517
01:01:14,890 --> 01:01:17,710
so I thank you all very much and have a blessed day. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

518
01:01:20,350 --> 01:01:23,200
here, mayor. Carry on. Can we, ma'am?

519
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:28,540
come on, ma'am. Would you. Would you give your information to. To staff, please, so we can follow up with you?

520
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,000
thank you. I'm sorry. Who was it? You. Sir. Yes, sir.

521
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:36,170
and then you're next.

522
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:42,020
I wish I knew everyone's name. I don't like pointing at people, but.

523
01:01:46,580 --> 01:01:46,580
yes, sir. Yeah. My name is jeff harkin, 883 vance circle, northeast.

524
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:51,290
and back in 2010, I was in here and we had the same problems about the compound,

525
01:02:01,130 --> 01:02:04,190
people not knowing what to do, you know, recreational. We want it commercial.

526
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:07,010
and I would just like to say that.

527
01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:12,940
see also. Is that the.

528
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:19,970
local people. Should be able to go out to the compound and open up a business like this.

529
01:02:26,330 --> 01:02:26,330
one gentleman said that he had, as you know, motorcycles and trucks and all this.

530
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:33,460
why not have local people, local organizations go out to the compound and open up, you
Know, motorcycles and trucks

531
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:43,510
and recreational for the people?

532
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,480
and that's it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. You're next, sir.

533
01:02:57,290 --> 01:02:58,850
please everyone that's coming to speak. State your name and your address.

534
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:05,230
okay? Yes, sir. I know you've been waiting a while, so you'll go after. All right, sir. In blue.

535
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:07,940
hello, my name is ryan foster 935 quaker street, southeast palm bay didn't really prepare
Because I didn't know that we were going to be able to talk tonight, but I'm glad you're

536
01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:18,140
here. Well, thank you. Um, I want to say, talking about all development and building the area up more out there,
All you got to do is drive around this town to see that the over development that's

537
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:27,890
happening right now is taxing our infrastructure. Y'all want to put more houses, more people, more everything out there.

538
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:33,440
there's two roads to get in and out. There's no way it can handle it. First off, on that note, I want to say I've been here living in this area for almost 30
Years.

539
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:38,960
one of the reasons I moved here with my realtor told me about the compound and that sold
Me.

540
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:46,100
I moved here because that place to me, it's a paradise. It's pristine. It's just a wonderful place.

541
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:48,650
if you ask me where I want to go any given day to have fun, to do something, it's going to
Be the compound.

542
01:03:54,290 --> 01:03:56,450
I'm a member of a bunch of different groups that meet out there. We do birthdays, we do holidays, we meet up, we police the area.

543
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:01,160
we're not the trash. The trouble that everybody wants to talk about, we go out there and
We, you know, take care of the place.

544
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:10,620
we tell people we see them dumping, we get on them. I guess my point is it's not all bad what happens out there.

545
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,650
the only thing that people are seeing is what they see in the news, like what just
Happened. I think all this has sparked off from the tragedy that happened in december.

546
01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:21,690
december. We also had a shooting in one of our parks, an attempted murder, a shooting on
The interstate.

547
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,110
this stuff happens all over the place. It's not the location, it's the people.

548
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:32,280
and that's the problem. So dumping it all in the compound, I just don't I don't get it.

549
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:36,390
and I think the people who are property owners out there, they have a you know, they can
Argue it and they have a stand, but people don't even come out there and don't know

550
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:43,380
anything about the place that all they hear is something on the news and they want to,
You know, come and speak their mind and what should happen out there and put the place

551
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,710
down. That's not everything that happens out there. There's hundreds of us who go out there and we enjoy the place now, regardless if we're
Supposed to be out there or not.

552
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,040
that's not what I'm here to talk about. It's been out there for almost 40 years or whatever, and, well, we could discuss that
Too.

553
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:08,190
I mean that things has to be some posting from property owners in order to keep you off
The property. There's nothing out there that it's not.

554
01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:11,220
I'm not going to get into that aspect of it because my point is I think the place is
Beautiful as it is.

555
01:05:16,140 --> 01:05:19,800
if I had my way, I'd say, leave it alone. And there's more development in this area. We've got enough going on right now.

556
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:22,770
thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, sir.

557
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,140
my name is john crowley. I've probably lived in the palm bay since 1986, so I'm probably one of the oldest
Residents here.

558
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,290
I did not come here for traffic. I hate traffic. So I think development is fine.

559
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:47,150
but we really need to think about two laning and getting the roads more clear than we are
And maybe planning for future development, but also maybe partnering with some of their

560
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,960
industries that are in this area like someone was talking about. Fpnl well, why not build a solar farm out there?

561
01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:06,140
make money and let's make money. Let's develop future technology.

562
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:12,980
partner with florida tech. Partner with university. Partner with the industries that are in this area.

563
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,860
rocket technology. We have it here. There's no reason for us to not make money on this land.

564
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:24,310
I mean, maybe I'm stupid, but I think we should make money. We should rent that land, and we should also look for the low income people.

565
01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:32,470
I mean, we have homeless everywhere in palm bay. We need to put 1% of that land, at least for low income and homeless people.

566
01:06:37,230 --> 01:06:38,950
I mean, no one likes them in their neighborhood. I understand that. I deal with them all the time.

567
01:06:41,590 --> 01:06:45,550
I don't like them in my neighborhood either. But I'm a man of the gospel. I believe you should treat your other man like you treat other people.

568
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,840
so I think they're our brothers and sisters. We need to treat them right.

569
01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:54,550
feed them. You know, maybe partner with daily bread.

570
01:06:58,570 --> 01:07:00,820
why not have a daily bread in palm bay? I went there two weeks ago, so at least 30, 40 people sleeping on the streets.

571
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:08,320
if that doesn't make you sad, mr. Mayor. Seeing that's possible.

572
01:07:11,530 --> 01:07:14,380
living on the street. It makes me sad. My eyes tear up the idea of one homeless person in this great country.

573
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,940
sleeping on the street should make everyone in this room mad. When we develop malls and places like that, less than 10% of them occupied.

574
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:32,270
why not? Look for homeless opportunities. There are places like the dignity bus.

575
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:35,240
teaching people skills, you know, hospitality skills, other skills.

576
01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:41,180
there's a ton of technology that is out there, and we have the places to do it.

577
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,390
eastern florida, florida tech, nassau, right down the street. Disney. Now we have it, so why not look into it?

578
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,110
thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I want you two to be patient with me.

579
01:08:00,490 --> 01:08:00,490
the first thing I want you to express is I want everyone's input.

580
01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:07,960
if you're willing to speak, I want to hear from you. But I'm going to try to do this by section.

581
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:10,660
I had gone to my left, and so I want to I want to work on my left and then go right
Across.

582
01:08:17,710 --> 01:08:17,710
so I'm going to go to my left and I'm going to ask there was a gentleman that raised his
Hand on this on my left side.

583
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:24,880
yes, sir. You come on up and then I'm going to work in that section.

584
01:08:29,770 --> 01:08:29,770
and then after I'm completed, I'm going to just go across.

585
01:08:35,230 --> 01:08:37,030
good evening. My name is chris jones. I currently live 2524 haverhill road northeast.

586
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:41,200
my parents moved here from orlando when my mom was pregnant with me because orlando in
The 80s wasn't the place they wanted to raise a kid.

587
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:50,890
they moved, bought a house, krome avenue, over in the port malabar country club area.

588
01:08:57,130 --> 01:08:57,130
when I was three years old, my neighbor, four doors down, was a man named william cruz.

589
01:09:02,530 --> 01:09:04,540
some people might remember him. One day he decided he was going to shoot his wife.

590
01:09:07,270 --> 01:09:07,270
shots went to a shopping center down the street, shot another woman, some police officers.

591
01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:17,620
that was the 80 seconds. That was in the nice part of palm bay. This has been happening granted on a larger scale currently these days.

592
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:22,600
but there's been problems all over.

593
01:09:26,650 --> 01:09:26,650
when that happened, they decided they were going to move to southwest palm bay bought a
House on white cloud, off garvey, garvey and malabar road was a dirt

594
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:36,130
road. There was nothing where madeline landing is now but cow farm all the way to the
Shopping center at malabar and minton.

595
01:09:44,350 --> 01:09:47,590
it was a kmart. A couple other things. You know, there was nothing.

596
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:49,660
so I've seen this city explode over my lifetime.

597
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:54,650
um, I'm sure a lot of y'all remember early to early to mid 2000 when bayside lakes
Started really experiencing a boom in the population.

598
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:07,490
it was a large influx of property crime there. People getting houses broken into middle of the day.

599
01:10:10,670 --> 01:10:13,820
it wasn't in the middle of nowhere. It wasn't in the middle of the night. It was in neighborhoods in the middle of the day.

600
01:10:15,980 --> 01:10:19,730
the only two ways that that really people solved it. People installed cameras and the police started making a larger presence out there and
The crimes dwindled off.

601
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:27,110
more recently, 2017, 18 ish, I believe, as trail park over in northeast, I fished there a
Lot.

602
01:10:35,780 --> 01:10:37,940
there's some hiking trails through the woods. There was a lot of problems with.

603
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:40,780
people going in there committing inappropriate acts with each other in the woods.

604
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:45,790
the only way that that problem solved itself, the city went out there, cleaned it up a
Little bit, spent some money on it, started monitoring the area, more police presence.

605
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,080
now, I like the ideas of building something to benefit the community out at the compound.

606
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:02,250
but be it commercial or industrial or residential crime follows people.

607
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:08,700
there has been more crime the more people have moved in here over the years.

608
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:12,840
it's just going to happen when a city increases in size.

609
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:16,950
the only way that you're going to combat it I've seen multiple times in my life the city
Has tried to shut the compound down.

610
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,720
they put speed bumps out there that have been chiseled and ripped out of the road. They put posts in the road trying to stop people from going out that had just been cut
Off.

611
01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:31,770
it's not going to work, but.

612
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:38,150
you can help it. By just. Keeping the police out there.

613
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:44,730
you know, keep the bad people out. Thank you. Anyone.

614
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:47,930
yes, sir. Step right up.

615
01:11:52,190 --> 01:11:52,190
and sir, back there, you're next.

616
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:56,520
yes, sir. You. Uh, james kennedy.

617
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:03,000
five years ago, I moved to 746 derby avenue.

618
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:07,140
currently just sold the house because my father in law had to go to assisted living
Facility.

619
01:12:12,210 --> 01:12:12,210
um. I've watched my kids and my friends kids grow up in the compound, learn how to
Actually become

620
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:21,890
young men and young women learn how to ride four wheelers, fish, shoot bows and arrows
With their dads.

621
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:32,100
like, we don't want to get rid of that. Like I met some of my best friends, like people I call family that are more family than
My real family that I hang out with every day that we go riding with.

622
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:41,370
I mean, I have to agree with what my friend chris said.

623
01:12:45,870 --> 01:12:48,960
the more you build up, the more crime is going to follow. I know this. I spent a long time behind.

624
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:52,680
I spent a few years locked up. All right. So people are going to do it regardless.

625
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,820
I mean, we got to try to slow it down. But my point is, like, you got to keep a recreational area around because they're
Starting to ban all recreational areas from south florida.

626
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:12,120
atvs are completely banned in south florida. And since that happened, crime went up a lot.

627
01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:15,660
I moved from west palm five years ago after I told I wasn't going to walk again.

628
01:13:20,230 --> 01:13:22,170
work at accident work. Moved up here, got a job, learned to walk, bought a truck and had a kid.

629
01:13:27,550 --> 01:13:29,950
and that's. Is. I mean, the the garbage is, you know, the dumping, the crime.

630
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:38,930
that needs to stop. Something needs to be figured out. I agree that we need to build a little bit of everything for somebody.

631
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:45,920
people need their rockets. I mean, we all work together. Like when we ride and they're out there shooting, we slow down for them.

632
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:51,560
we pass them with some distance. Safety like that just rules need to be integrated.

633
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:55,700
and it's. I ain't got much more to say about that.

634
01:13:59,870 --> 01:14:01,960
thank you. Thank you. So are you next? Good evening.

635
01:14:09,670 --> 01:14:11,560
thank you. My name is terry johnston. I'm a 23 year resident here in palm bay.

636
01:14:14,410 --> 01:14:14,410
I live in 1497 beach street southeast.

637
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:18,880
so my kids grew up out in the compound, you know, taking the dogs out there, walking,
Riding four

638
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:30,760
wheelers at one time. While it wasn't promoted, it was allowed, I guess, by the department police department at
One point when it wasn't quite as bad as it has gotten

639
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:40,600
over the years. Polk county had a very similar problem to what we're experiencing now,
Where residents were speak speak on the

640
01:14:50,530 --> 01:14:50,530
mic, sir. We're residents had issues with people riding four wheelers and whatnot.

641
01:14:55,450 --> 01:14:55,450
polk county took a parcel of their land and turned it into an atv park that was
Completely funded by grants as well as

642
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:07,870
private personal citizens. So no, no money out of the county budget in their case.

643
01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:12,140
and then after they opened it, they have a day use fee, which is very minor for residents
In polk county that

644
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:25,850
then funds the operation of it yearly. And they're in a net net mode now where it doesn't cost any money to the county budget at
All.

645
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:33,680
they have a very beautiful place that people can go and ride their atvs and whatnot, and
It's a very

646
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:42,920
managed and safe environment.

647
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:47,430
that's all. Something we may want to look into as a city.

648
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:52,860
thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in this section wish to speak?

649
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,280
anyone else in this section wish to speak. Seeing none, I'm going to move into this section.

650
01:16:06,140 --> 01:16:08,180
anyone wish to speak at this point. Come on up. Anyone else in this section.

651
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,490
good evening, mr. Mayor. Good evening, council. My name is randall olszewski. I live at 348 brook street, northeast.

652
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:32,210
I'm a palm bay boy. Boy. Not born, but raised. As I talk to you guys about all the time, I was a palm bay high kid, so palm bay high
Kids hung out in the woods in the town of malabar.

653
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,180
we called it the flat tracks. All the bayside high kids hung out at the compound. Kids fine woods.

654
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:45,740
when woods exist and they're accessible, they find them and they go to them.

655
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:51,140
you know, when mufasa took simba and he put him on the rock and he said, out there is the
Shadows at the end of the pridelands don't go there.

656
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:58,160
what did it take? The next scene, uncle scar said, well, there's nothing cool there.

657
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:03,680
so you have young men and women that are, you know, here living the florida lifestyle.

658
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:13,550
I've got hair like me, maybe got tan skin like me, whatever it is. And we like to tinker with motors, like do things, and you go, there's a forbidden
Territory at the end of the pride lands don't go to it.

659
01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:23,490
what's there? Streets. Really, really straight streets where you can test if you want to be a drag
Racer.

660
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:29,010
really curvy streets. If you want to be a drifter, it is literally a trap for the activity that you're trying
To prevent.

661
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:34,290
you have to take this weakness that we have within our city and this threat to our
Community, and you have to turn it into our community's biggest strength.

662
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:43,470
now, what's been understated this evening thus far is this map right here has a checkered
Line down the middle of it that checkered lines to indicate where the saint johns heritage

663
01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:52,950
parkway is supposed to go. Okay. And will it happen a while from now?

664
01:17:55,470 --> 01:17:56,640
soon, who knows? But it's supposed to go along that checkered line, which is going to bifurcate the
Compound, establish the fact that it's going to get cut into two pieces and figure out

665
01:18:05,130 --> 01:18:08,950
what you want to do on this side. That would be the. East, right?

666
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,850
that probably does need houses and development. You could actually pave the roads of 49 and you could just continue the community.

667
01:18:16,810 --> 01:18:16,810
if you're on the west side of saint johns heritage parkway, that is not going to be
Anything.

668
01:18:21,850 --> 01:18:21,850
it should be recreational facilities where all these young folks can grow up learning how
To ride dirt bikes.

669
01:18:28,750 --> 01:18:28,750
I just bought my first mini bike if I go out to mr bill batton's property, which is rural
Residential and he lets me, I can go tear it up on there.

670
01:18:34,990 --> 01:18:36,490
no problem. We could talk about that. We need more rural residential property.

671
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,540
mr batten I'll be talking to you. But the point is, if we have a facility that folks can pay their right, you know it's
Going to cost a nominal fee.

672
01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:47,860
you're going to be a member very similar to the port malabar fire.

673
01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:52,060
you know, the gun club. The point is, we need to get recreation out there where everybody
Can do everything they're doing, the jeeps, they run.

674
01:18:59,770 --> 01:19:01,270
you know what's better than a jeep? A bronco? The broncos let the broncos run, let the dirt bikes run.

675
01:19:04,570 --> 01:19:05,590
let it all happen. But we need to embrace the fact that we can't simply just put up barriers.

676
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:09,800
we need to draw lines just like that checkered line and say, we're going to do something
Here and over here.

677
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:15,830
we're going to put it together and we are going to embrace what it is the the beautiful,
The edge of the shadow land, the nice scenes, everything that it is mr batten's previous

678
01:19:24,590 --> 01:19:26,660
point, the floodplain edge that it is. We need to determine the two sides.

679
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,840
address both. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak from this section?

680
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:36,290
anyone else wish to speak on this section?

681
01:19:40,810 --> 01:19:44,130
ma'am. Did you just raise your hand? Okay. You would just.

682
01:19:45,540 --> 01:19:47,100
you're just waving at me. Okay, so now we're going to the dead center.

683
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,270
so you're first. And then you're next, sir, with the cover in the shades on the cover.

684
01:19:57,460 --> 01:20:00,430
my name is fred coffer. I live on osmosis drive. My property is adjacent to the compound.

685
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,840
I've lived there for 22 years. And it's been a nightmare.

686
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:11,870
uh, it's, you know, I'm not so much concerned. Our problem is not what's going on in the compound.

687
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:17,660
it's the people getting to the compound. There's off road vehicles going up and down ozmosis drive right now.

688
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:27,590
it's dozens a day. And I have to commend the palm bay police for their efforts in the last couple of years.

689
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:32,390
it has. Uh, gone down drastically.

690
01:20:36,610 --> 01:20:36,610
whereas a weekend day before, up to a couple of years ago, I'd have 2 to 300 illegal
Vehicles by my home in one

691
01:20:46,150 --> 01:20:49,830
day. Uh, and I'm not exaggerating. And the videos that don showed you, that's the soundtrack of my life.

692
01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,040
that's what's going on every day in front of my home. And these people that talk about, well, I own property in the in the compound.

693
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:06,240
they might own a quarter acre out there. They just use that to unload their vehicles and then ride for miles.

694
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:10,410
you know, just because you own a quarter acre and a half an acre out there doesn't
Doesn't give you free rein to run through the compound.

695
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:17,400
but my biggest issue is the traffic up and down, osmosis of illegal vehicles, no
Licenses, no insurance, no tags.

696
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:28,160
some people think that they can avoid the law by staying on the shoulder of the road,
Which means they come through my front yard.

697
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:36,640
uh, we've dealt with this for 22 years, and, you know, we finally started getting some
Response from the palm bay police.

698
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,040
but it used to be a joke. You know, so it has gotten better.

699
01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:51,410
but my biggest issue is the illegal traffic on our city streets.

700
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:58,010
hold on. The gentleman has the mic and I hear so many folks, you know, speaking.

701
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:05,240
I'm not sure what you're saying, but I'm giving everyone an opportunity to share your
Thoughts.

702
01:22:11,180 --> 01:22:11,180
let's be mindful and respectful for everyone that's speaking on the mic.

703
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:15,320
carry on, sir. But like I say, I've dealt with it for a long time and it's it's constant
Noise.

704
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:23,660
it was it went on last night. We had had off road vehicles by my home up until 2 a.m.

705
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:30,680
last night. And this is this is not unusual. This is this is daily.

706
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:33,620
you know, so it's I do like I say, I would like to commend palm bay police for what
They've done here recently.

707
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:38,900
they've actually started ticketing people where they used to just ignore it.

708
01:22:44,180 --> 01:22:45,560
but thank you for your time. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak.

709
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:52,830
from the middle. Sir, you were next. So come on up.

710
01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:57,160
anyone else after him. That's in the middle.

711
01:23:05,780 --> 01:23:07,430
hello, mayor. Council. My name is rick. The mike close.

712
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,470
my name is rick campbell. Thank you so much. I'm a newbie here from pennsylvania.

713
01:23:15,470 --> 01:23:15,470
a year and a half ago, I didn't know there was such thing as a compound.

714
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:19,800
it is beautiful. I go there almost every day.

715
01:23:25,450 --> 01:23:25,450
I'm a model airplane. It would be a shame.

716
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:32,060
right. He stopped.

717
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:39,380
add the king orange goes on there every year. Do you know what that is? Say again, sir.

718
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:43,320
the king orange. You notorious? Free flight model airplane.

719
01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:51,440
we want, sir. Free flight model airplanes. Okay. They fly there every year to a thing called the king orange.

720
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,600
it's been going on for ever. And to shut them people down would be a shame.

721
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,430
I've been doing this since I was six years old. I'm 79.

722
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:11,200
and it's an amazing place to me.

723
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:18,360
thank you. Well, thank you. Anyone else.

724
01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:23,470
wish to speak. Okay. So I've got. Yes, ma'am.

725
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:25,440
come on up and then you're next, ma'am.

726
01:24:38,670 --> 01:24:38,670
good evening. My concern, and I'm sure is with everybody's concern is we all have an
Emotional tie out here.

727
01:24:48,090 --> 01:24:50,430
a lot of us have grown up here. Most of us have moved from other areas for the serenity that southwest palm bay had to
Offer.

728
01:24:59,310 --> 01:24:59,310
we go ahead and make that just industrialized out there.

729
01:25:06,030 --> 01:25:06,030
we need to think hard about how we are going to build it and what we're going to present
Out there.

730
01:25:15,060 --> 01:25:15,060
because if you look at our industrial areas and what type of infrastructure we have
Presented to palm bay over the years.

731
01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:28,150
it's not what we want out there. It's going to create additional traffic, which you all know.

732
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:32,020
and anybody that lives here knows that the traffic is horrible.

733
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:36,790
I moved from orlando to get away from that traffic and it has followed me.

734
01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:42,220
it takes me 45 minutes to get to eau gallie boulevard to go to work because you have to
Work in melbourne if you're

735
01:25:51,940 --> 01:25:51,940
not retail or a small doctor's office, the hospital which is palm bay or you're you're
Moving and or

736
01:26:01,870 --> 01:26:05,290
harris or grumman, you're working in melbourne. So it's 45 minutes to work and 45 minutes home from work.

737
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:13,750
that's at 615 in the morning. That's how bad the traffic is here.

738
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:16,420
so when you're looking at three routes in to one designated area and you're talking about
Industrializing this, what number

739
01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:26,330
one, what is that going to do to everybody's property value out there?

740
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:31,520
and the serenity and people talk about the noise now from the atvs or the people riding
Their their dirt bikes.

741
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:40,640
think about dump trucks and cars going by your home every day, all day.

742
01:26:50,330 --> 01:26:51,500
that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you.

743
01:27:02,650 --> 01:27:06,010
I'm phoebe cooper. I live at eight, nine, seven. Osmosis drive.

744
01:27:07,780 --> 01:27:11,200
sorry, I can't. I've had a stroke. I walk every day and I have yet to see.

745
01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:16,450
and I've driven out there in the so-called compound.

746
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,130
there are no street signs. The signs that there are are shot up and there are no no trespassing signs.

747
01:27:33,620 --> 01:27:33,620
you can't tell what's private property, what is owned there.

748
01:27:39,290 --> 01:27:39,290
I haven't seen a no trespassing sign ever.

749
01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:44,620
and and I've lived there almost a year.

750
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:49,270
there. The police can't tell the other people who come out there and ride their atvs.

751
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:57,370
can't tell. They can't they can't tell what property they're supposed to be on and what
They're not.

752
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,360
and there used to be street signs. Once you pass our house, which is the last house in the compound.

753
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:16,900
there are once you get a block away, there are no street signs.

754
01:28:23,500 --> 01:28:23,500
there are occasionally there are strip bars which at least had the dot put up.

755
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:33,930
put down. A but, you know, there are no stop signs to go with a stop bars.

756
01:28:42,690 --> 01:28:42,690
if somebody had an accident there, they could sue the city of palm bay.

757
01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:48,490
and anybody with a mutcd on their desk would win.

758
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,300
you'd be writing a big check. So. That.

759
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,420
that. That's my $0.02 worth. Well, I appreciate you coming, ma'am, and.

760
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:07,160
and sharing your $0.02 worth. That was more like a nickel, ma'am.

761
01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:11,550
thank you so much. Anyone else center.

762
01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:18,760
center. Anyone in this area. Okay, I'm shifting over to my right.

763
01:29:20,890 --> 01:29:24,700
I see this young lady back there and then ms.. You're next. That's right.

764
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:30,050
you're after her. You're next.

765
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,540
hello, my name is robin gallo. I moved here from new york a year and a half ago.

766
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:40,850
I was actually at the last meeting in regards to jeremiah brown and trayvon, who were
Killed at the compound.

767
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:49,160
so I felt that the last time I was at my microphone, I didn't have any questions answered.

768
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:55,850
so now that we have a 44 year old woman whose body was found, burned and cut up and
Thankfully we did catch the killer.

769
01:30:05,290 --> 01:30:07,120
where is the safety? And I just walked in, so I've only heard some comments for like the last lady said,
There's no trespassing signs.

770
01:30:14,620 --> 01:30:14,620
and if rvs or whatever those bikes are is more important than the safety of people in
Weeds getting killed and not being found,

771
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:24,070
what? Do you want me to suggest that we have, like, the last meeting that surveillance
Has to be put up or patrolmen have to be over

772
01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:36,560
there? That's a question. No, ma'am. This this this exchange is you provide the feedback, you get an opportunity to
Speak.

773
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:42,500
we did cover some of that that you were speaking of regarding and I'll probably have
Staff recap, but you go ahead and with your comments, you have two minutes.

774
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:54,500
so it would be the last thing I said, the last meeting that somebody or more police
Should be patrolling the area.

775
01:31:00,590 --> 01:31:00,590
and if there is no trespassing signs, I mean, am I allowed to ask if there was any if
There's any updates on the jeremiah and trayvon case?

776
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:08,810
I mean, there's a guy or a girl, older man, younger kid, we don't know who killed two
Kids and they're just roaming around.

777
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:17,810
and it's funny, but it's not. I went to petco the other day and I met a woman and she said she will never walk her dog
Over there again.

778
01:31:23,930 --> 01:31:23,930
so now it's turning into a fear, whereas other kids want to drive their little bikes over
There.

779
01:31:30,700 --> 01:31:33,710
so I would just like to see. It either cut down and more police activity or surveillance.

780
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:38,360
so therefore, there is safety, because if you don't have answers on trayvon and jeremiah,
It's been since december, december, january, february.

781
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,430
so we're going on for months now. And that murderer is just out there roaming the streets to do it again.

782
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:53,450
do we have to wait for another one?

783
01:31:57,910 --> 01:32:00,310
and since you have no answers, that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

784
01:32:02,900 --> 01:32:02,900
mr. Right. She felt, I'm going to have you come up and give us a status update on on the
Case if if you're able

785
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:16,340
to. Good evening, madam sherman. Thank you for the opportunity.

786
01:32:17,690 --> 01:32:21,530
my name is isabel wright. I am the president of the florida hispanic chamber of commerce. I'm a little late because I was at the compound and I went there specifically to look at
Some of the things that people were talking about.

787
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:30,500
for the past three weeks, I've been researching the 20 parks that we have in the state of
Florida that are atv parks.

788
01:32:37,460 --> 01:32:37,460
the majority of them are either county, state or city owned.

789
01:32:42,860 --> 01:32:42,860
the gentleman was mentioning the polk park, which is a is a beautiful combination of
Privately owned land and city owned like what we have right

790
01:32:52,580 --> 01:32:52,580
now. So the people that own the land, they're getting a usage fee or a deduction in taxes
In order for them to allow the park to happen.

791
01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:04,250
we as a community need this park. We need an atv park so that we can ride it.

792
01:33:08,060 --> 01:33:08,060
my husband and I, my daughter, my six year old grandson, we all have our own atvs and we
Do go to the compound and it'll be very hurtful to our community not to have that.

793
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:18,000
I think it would be a very good combination between the the water park that melbourne is
Putting up and us having this atv park.

794
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:25,590
we are going to get an influx of of tourists that are going to want to have the park to
Go to the pool and all that and then come over here and

795
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:35,160
ride. So the majority of the parks that we researched were parks are open on fridays,
Saturdays, sundays.

796
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:43,350
some of them are open every day. They have partnered with outside companies to provide atvs.

797
01:33:47,250 --> 01:33:48,810
they do have yearly fees. If you want to become members, they have a $10 fee per person, $40 per vehicle.

798
01:33:52,830 --> 01:33:55,140
then you rent. They have showers. They have everything in different parks, have different things.

799
01:33:58,350 --> 01:33:58,350
I think if we invest our time into looking at the the way that the other cities have the
The parks put together, it would be an amazing income producing

800
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,710
situation for the city of palm bay. I understand that there's people that live around there and they're complaining about the
Traffic and all that.

801
01:34:14,340 --> 01:34:14,340
but if we have this contained fenced in with paying customers that want to use it, I
Don't believe that they're going to have people riding up.

802
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:22,560
and if you take that away from us, what else are we supposed to do to entertain our
Families when we don't have nothing in palm bay?

803
01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:30,300
I understand crime has been committed there, but I'm originally from los angeles.

804
01:34:34,830 --> 01:34:34,830
in miami. Crime is committed everywhere and unfortunately, unfortunately things happen
And we respect what happens.

805
01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:42,990
but we can't close down a whole situation because of things that have happened with with
Crime.

806
01:34:49,710 --> 01:34:51,900
we really need to look at the bigger picture. This community needs that park in order to enjoy.

807
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:54,480
we barbecue out there, we have fun and it can be a clean environment.

808
01:34:58,740 --> 01:34:58,740
it doesn't necessarily have to be a criminal activity for everything that happens at that
Compound.

809
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:02,760
and I really hope that we continue to evolve and to look into this possibility and look
At the patterns from other cities and other counties and

810
01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:15,060
make the compound something like what they have. And I do have the information available.

811
01:35:16,890 --> 01:35:19,920
people sign waivers so the city will not be charged for anything. Thank you, sir.

812
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:22,530
you raise your hand. Yes, sir. Come on up.

813
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:36,310
my name is carlos mccauley and I live at 1964 brookside street northeast, and I'm a
Rocketeer with the spaceport rocketry association.

814
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:44,950
in 1999, I was working for melbourne airport shuttle and most of our clients were living
In vero beach.

815
01:35:52,750 --> 01:35:52,750
and I came to the conclusion that palm bay is laid out like a labyrinth, like a maze.

816
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:00,760
and there are only like several routes that will take you south to vero beach, where most
Of our clients were, and I'd have

817
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,760
to take them to orlando. And so several times during my engagement at melbourne airport shuttle, I had to drive
Through mount palm bay

818
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:24,190
traffic at rush hour. And I couldn't believe how impossible it was that I spent like an hour on between palm
Bay road and emerson trying to go north or trying

819
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:35,920
to go south, and it was impossible. There ought to be more ways to get traffic moving north and south and connect to one
Another.

820
01:36:44,260 --> 01:36:44,260
kind of like vero beach is laid out like a like a grid and palm bay is laid out like a
Labyrinth, like it's just a bottleneck here and there and

821
01:36:53,980 --> 01:36:55,900
everywhere. It's impossible. But anyway, as as a spaceport rocketeer, I spent a lot of time looking for rockets.

822
01:37:01,610 --> 01:37:01,610
and I'm always going through the off road areas and looking for rockets that like to hide
In the tall grass.

823
01:37:09,980 --> 01:37:12,800
there they lay down and the grass is like four feet high. They're impossible to find.

824
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:14,540
but recently.

825
01:37:19,860 --> 01:37:19,860
I've noticed that I've been coming across.

826
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:24,290
atv trails, I suppose, or whatever, through these.

827
01:37:30,430 --> 01:37:32,170
non-road areas. But that's you know, I understand atvs go wherever they want.

828
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:41,020
and it's, you know, it's not a problem. Nobody lives there. There's nobody to complain.

829
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:43,030
and they should you know, they should do what they they have to do.

830
01:37:47,650 --> 01:37:47,650
but I think what needs to I think what is needed is designated areas where.

831
01:37:54,710 --> 01:37:57,560
these people can be. You know, and, you know, we have a lot of cooperation with the atvers and us finding our
Rockets and whatever and doing our

832
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:09,440
thing, and they should be able to do their thing. But I just think that we just need a little more communication operation, cooperation,
And I think everything would be good.

833
01:38:20,420 --> 01:38:22,960
thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in this section?

834
01:38:24,700 --> 01:38:26,470
this young lady, is it? Okay. I've got two right here.

835
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,150
ma'am, you want to go first? And the young lady in the hat.

836
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:34,940
that's. With you as well, I believe.

837
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:42,350
man with the hat. You're next. Okay. Thank you for coming.

838
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:51,050
thank you for having me. Get the mic close to you. I have set here.

839
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:53,400
and I have listened to the ones that have come to this panel and they have talked about
How beautiful the compound

840
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:02,760
is, how wonderful it is, and they've also spoke of things to be done and

841
01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:12,450
changed with the compound, meaning building something, you know, having so many houses,
Then having maybe some

842
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,170
commercial buildings and all of that nature. I'm here.

843
01:39:27,150 --> 01:39:27,150
because several said once or several said about, you know, wherever you go, crime is
Going to follow you.

844
01:39:37,050 --> 01:39:40,890
more people come in, crime is going to follow. I'm here to say that it was my grandson, my grandson, jeremiah brown, that was

845
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:50,640
killed with his friend.

846
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,840
on christmas night. Now, I know people are talking about riding their atvs and their dirt bikes and going out
There fishing and all of that

847
01:40:06,620 --> 01:40:06,620
stuff. I can't help but say it's nothing but evil.

848
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:12,410
and I say evil because there has been so many deaths that has taken place out there.

849
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:20,840
and I'm willing to bet and I don't have the money to pay, but I'm willing to bet there's
A corpse that is out there today.

850
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:30,440
as the gentleman just said, there are some areas where the grass is high up, some is low,
And people have drove over those, you know, with their dirt bikes and all of

851
01:40:40,190 --> 01:40:40,190
that. That's fine that people have to find an outlet to have fun.

852
01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:45,950
okay. But what it boils down to that compound is being nothing other than a death
Sentence for many, many

853
01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:55,250
people. And even if what everybody is talking about that should be happening or should be
Done about this compound, that's not going to be solved

854
01:41:05,190 --> 01:41:05,190
like tomorrow, noah's ark wasn't built in a day.

855
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:12,690
okay. So that's not going to be solved. And at the same time, you got to remember, as long as that compound is open and as long as
There is nothing that's being done

856
01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:22,410
to secure from anybody getting in until there has a plan has come up, there has been an
Accurate plan

857
01:41:32,250 --> 01:41:35,190
to come up with something to start happening. I don't think it's right for it to still be open for people to just go in there and do
This, that and the other.

858
01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:44,460
the lady talked about she has land. She's had land since 2003.

859
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:47,880
okay. For for for for whatever the reason is.

860
01:41:52,770 --> 01:41:56,430
there's nothing built there though. It's grass. So yes, you do have people that have land there, but there's nothing being done.

861
01:42:02,430 --> 01:42:02,430
and I feel like it should be closed down until ones decide what they're going to do about
That land.

862
01:42:10,350 --> 01:42:11,760
thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Speak.

863
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,770
hello, my name is crystal brown. I live at 1624 javier street in palm bay, florida.

864
01:42:28,940 --> 01:42:28,940
I am the mother of jeremiah brown, and I'm so happy y'all had this meeting tonight.

865
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:34,070
I've been waiting to get in front of you all.

866
01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:42,590
I hear what everyone is saying and it's fine on what y'all want to do. But like my mom said, it's a problem now.

867
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:46,790
okay? It's going to take some time for y'all to put all of this in motion.

868
01:42:50,990 --> 01:42:53,750
so in the meantime, what do we do? I visited the compound in the last couple of weeks.

869
01:42:57,050 --> 01:42:57,050
someone told me that the city is supposed to be cutting the grass so many feet from the
Roadway.

870
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:04,880
that isn't happening. The grass is so high out there.

871
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:07,490
in the meantime, maybe y'all should cut the grass, make it all even.

872
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:12,770
so you can see straight through with that grass being high on, you know, basically all
All out there, you can't see what's going on.

873
01:43:19,940 --> 01:43:23,470
you can't properly monitor it. Syndromes out there.

874
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:27,310
occasionally, you know, to monitor the area. But like my mom said, it's probably quartz out there.

875
01:43:29,950 --> 01:43:33,070
we just heard of a lady being buried, burnt up. You know, like, come on, that's fine.

876
01:43:36,130 --> 01:43:39,370
I don't care what y'all do. I know. Like, I really do not. But I feel like it's a problem.

877
01:43:41,620 --> 01:43:44,950
now, put lights out there. Put poles out there with lights. Light it up.

878
01:43:46,180 --> 01:43:46,180
it's dark out there, you know, and it's just unfortunate that people have lost their
Lives.

879
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:52,810
just a second, ma'am. I'm gonna ask for you all to please honor this young lady and pay close attention to what
She's saying.

880
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:04,200
we owe her that much. We owe that much respect.

881
01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:09,600
carry on, ma'am. Please. Carry on, man.

882
01:44:14,230 --> 01:44:14,230
so, yeah, so like I was saying, you know, maybe put poles up there, you know, like just
Light it up, you know?

883
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:23,680
and like I said, it's not a bad idea to kind of cut that grass. What is it going to hurt in the meantime?

884
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:26,080
you know, just to have an open field so you can see clearly what's going on and someone
Is not going to commit a crime because it doesn't matter if it's day or night.

885
01:44:34,630 --> 01:44:38,290
if a person wants to commit a crime, they're going to do it, you know? But with that grass being so high, it hides a lot of stuff, you know, and you can't
Really see.

886
01:44:43,570 --> 01:44:45,850
so that's all I wanted to say. You know, again, I'm, you know, I don't care what y'all do with it out there, you know,
But I feel like in the meantime, yes, more patrol, more policemen, you

887
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:55,840
know, cut the grass, put lights out there, you know, and just try to make it a little
Safer for the ones that are trying to go out there to enjoy, I

888
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:08,830
guess, the serenity of, you know, as they see it. But, you know, I appreciate you letting me come up here and talk.

889
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:14,470
well, we appreciate you coming, ma'am. And even moreover, just know that our prayers have been of peace for your family.

890
01:45:19,780 --> 01:45:19,780
I appreciate we we are truly sorry for the loss of life that we had out there, the two
The two lives that were taken and there were young

891
01:45:29,290 --> 01:45:29,290
lives. So we we really appreciate you showing up and sharing your input.

892
01:45:34,570 --> 01:45:35,860
thank you so much. Yes. Thank you. I appreciate it.

893
01:45:39,370 --> 01:45:41,740
madam sherman. I think it would be.

894
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:43,510
is it okay to have police chief come up and perhaps provide a status update?

895
01:45:49,930 --> 01:45:52,660
yes, I'll have them come up. There's not a whole lot we can share, but. Yes, ma'am. Whatever can be shared.

896
01:45:55,570 --> 01:45:55,570
I know that there's sensitivity, but there was a young lady that brought it up.

897
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,460
and so we have family members here. Good evening. So correct city manager's is correct on that.

898
01:46:07,940 --> 01:46:10,940
as the rest of you guys are aware as well. There's not much I'm going to provide this evening with regards to certain questions that
Were asked or demands that were asked by individuals outside of the family as recently as

899
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:19,910
in the beginning of the meeting, I spoke with the family and we are updating as much as
We can in terms of what we have to provide and can provide because it is an open

900
01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:28,490
investigation. What I can guarantee and tell everyone, which I've been telling the family
And speaking with the family is that.

901
01:46:34,990 --> 01:46:34,990
the case for jeremiah and trayvon is and will continue to be until it is has a positive
Resolution and outcome for jeremiah and trayvon and the family.

902
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,390
a priority for us. We haven't stopped working it. So we are continuing to collaborate with the state attorney's office and with other
Organizations to ensure that we get what we want in terms of that.

903
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,480
and that's justice for both of them. That's all I can add at this point. Thank you, chief, in that.

904
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,830
thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments. Thank you. We did have another young lady that wished to speak.

905
01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:03,370
come on up, ma'am.

906
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:20,250
good evening. My name is taekwondo gibson. Born and raised right here.

907
01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:25,320
palm bay 1386. Port malabar boulevard was my residence for about 30 years.

908
01:47:29,010 --> 01:47:32,610
that's where my mom continues to reside. My cousin just came up.

909
01:47:35,220 --> 01:47:35,220
her son was jeremiah, who lost his life out there in the compound.

910
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:40,560
my biggest thing is I feel like it's a lot of selfishness that goes on.

911
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:47,700
I'm sorry. I was kind of toying with myself about even coming up here to speak.

912
01:47:52,230 --> 01:47:52,230
so I'm a little my nerves are on end and I'm not always like that, but can relax.

913
01:47:58,860 --> 01:47:58,860
yes, sir. But a lot of selfishness.

914
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,990
when I sit in this meeting tonight, I think the bigger picture is our children, our
Future.

915
01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:13,620
when we came here for our initial meeting, I forgot.

916
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:19,270
earlier this year I made a comment about our kids, our future.

917
01:48:26,260 --> 01:48:26,260
when I look in this room, we're all working people.

918
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:31,480
we got kids, some of us got kids, grandkids, great grandkids.

919
01:48:36,340 --> 01:48:39,280
okay, so what are we doing with that generation? Because as we can see, they're perishing.

920
01:48:42,370 --> 01:48:42,370
they're losing their life to gun violence, drugs, the streets and whatever else can
Swallow them whole.

921
01:48:49,870 --> 01:48:51,790
we got the compound eye. Like I said, born and raised right here.

922
01:48:53,980 --> 01:48:56,680
I've had several visits to the compound. Did I do anything illegal out there?

923
01:48:58,870 --> 01:49:01,360
no. I went out there with friends growing up. We rode our dirt bikes, atvs, whatever.

924
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,610
we had a good time. Okay. But at the end of the day, these generations and times have changed.

925
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:14,230
something needs to happen. Of course it's not going to happen overnight.

926
01:49:16,510 --> 01:49:16,510
we get it. But what's going to happen, like expeditiously, you know, like before the year
Ends

927
01:49:26,230 --> 01:49:27,700
type of thing. An older gentleman got up here and he said, we've had these meetings before.

928
01:49:32,530 --> 01:49:35,110
20 years ago we spoke about the same thing. There's no reason why this issue should be going on 20 years later where this land is
Just sitting there.

929
01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:43,330
nothing happening but sin death.

930
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:48,940
it's not the same. It's just not the same.

931
01:49:52,030 --> 01:49:52,030
I have to agree with the gentleman that came up here and said one half of it where the
Where it floods that area, make it into an

932
01:50:01,780 --> 01:50:01,780
atv area, keep something for them to do because god forbid, we don't need it like west
Palm.

933
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:08,320
we don't need it like miami because they will ride and we know that the cops can't catch
Them.

934
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:17,110
the other half do something other than put houses. We got enough of that, enough traffic.

935
01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:19,480
so, you know, just my thing is, you know, I appreciate your time and I respect it.

936
01:50:24,910 --> 01:50:28,480
so thank you all. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak?

937
01:50:30,730 --> 01:50:30,730
yes, ma'am. Thank you, mr.

938
01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:37,020
mayor. Eileen sepp from 1234 rail road northeast.

939
01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:41,940
and I've been listening to what everybody has been dreaming about for this and every
Problem, you know, you always look for the

940
01:50:51,690 --> 01:50:52,710
solutions. But the one thing I didn't hear was how we're going to get these things done.

941
01:50:58,020 --> 01:50:58,020
nothing's going to happen without a huge infusion of cash.

942
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:02,640
and I believe that what we need to do is find someone who's willing to develop that to
Put the parks in.

943
01:51:10,290 --> 01:51:10,290
I would love to see like a botanical garden or places where people could walk or a small
Town where there were shops where you could just.

944
01:51:20,500 --> 01:51:20,500
you know, hang out and meet people.

945
01:51:26,850 --> 01:51:26,850
it's possible to do it, but it takes work and it takes doing research and finding people,
Companies,

946
01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:38,430
whatever. Who would be willing to do that? I would like to see the compound be a landmark where people would come to palm bay just
To see what we've done with

947
01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:48,060
it. And that's pretty much all I can say other than I think the notion that crime follows
You is a horrible

948
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:57,560
notion. I lived in neighborhoods where nothing ever happened.

949
01:52:02,420 --> 01:52:04,430
everybody knew everyone. And. No life can can be put down to just a crime where someone steals a candy

950
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:18,120
bar. It's so much more serious. No life, young, old or whatever is worth risking by leaving it as it is.

951
01:52:24,780 --> 01:52:24,780
something needs to be done, and I certainly would like to help make that happen.

952
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:31,800
thank you. Anyone else wish to speak.

953
01:52:37,180 --> 01:52:37,180
seeing none. At this time, I'm going to end the public comments section of our workshop
And want to entertain the

954
01:52:46,930 --> 01:52:49,270
discussion of council. Madam sherman, I'd like to just ask, you know, the some of some of the questions that came
Up regarding drone and who's better

955
01:52:59,170 --> 01:53:02,620
qualified to answer those questions. With? Is it in particular with the faa and.

956
01:53:06,610 --> 01:53:08,890
yes, ma'am. I'll defer to the city attorney to start. Well, thank you, ma'am.

957
01:53:12,130 --> 01:53:12,130
well, as far as the use of drones, florida statute is pretty comprehensive as far as the
Use of drones by law enforcement.

958
01:53:22,510 --> 01:53:22,510
generally speaking, law enforcement agency is not permitted to use a drone to gather
Evidence or other information.

959
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:30,070
there are some exceptions, but there are very specific and limited.

960
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:34,720
and as far as using a drone to monitor traffic, to see traffic violations, they can, but
They then can't ticket anybody based upon that.

961
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:42,580
but it's really government really did not want, especially here in florida, to
Essentially have police be able

962
01:53:51,940 --> 01:53:51,940
to monitor and surveil people from a place where they would normally not be seen.

963
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:57,520
so there there is a lot of restrictions and it's not something that's going to be legally
Permissible in most cases.

964
01:54:04,610 --> 01:54:04,610
in other words, it's not like the nsa that they can actually look down on us pretty much.

965
01:54:09,650 --> 01:54:11,300
is that what I'm understanding? Yes, sir. I just wanted to make sure we we understood the difference.

966
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:17,840
thank you, ma'am. I wanted to. Yes, yes.

967
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:20,390
okay. Follow up, madam attorney, considering the the compound as its current state.

968
01:54:27,730 --> 01:54:30,250
would that apply? Would those rule would apply? Not having any current, you know, housing out there not having how would would that would
You give us a little more detail on that?

969
01:54:39,220 --> 01:54:39,220
a person is presumed to have a reasonable expectation of privacy on his or her privately
Owned real property.

970
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:46,200
if he or she is not observable by persons located at ground level in a place where they
Have a legal right to be, regardless of whether she is observable from the air or with the

971
01:54:55,410 --> 01:54:58,830
use of a drone, you have to realize all of those lots are privately owned property. It doesn't matter whether there is a house or a structure, you have a right to be.

972
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:04,200
under florida law, to be on your property without somebody surveilling police,
Surveilling you without cause.

973
01:55:11,190 --> 01:55:11,190
certainly there are instances where we believe that somebody is a terrorist.

974
01:55:16,290 --> 01:55:18,780
you know, fire has the ability and there are others. But generally speaking, you're not going to be able to use anything from a surveillance
Using a drone out there.

975
01:55:27,060 --> 01:55:30,840
you have to be able to see people normally at the level. So it really is not an effective method as far as being able to get evidence and be able
To use it in any type of prosecution.

976
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:41,900
thank you, ma'am. I wanted to just cover the drone aspect to that.

977
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:48,300
so thank you, madam attorney. Council, what are your thoughts?

978
01:55:50,890 --> 01:55:53,930
I'll start with you. Councilman johnson. Thank you, mayor. So another thing I know our police department and other police
Departments have looked into it and it was mentioned by mr.

979
01:56:00,410 --> 01:56:04,220
gorm shotspotter technology. We're seeing an increase in that. That's something I would like for us to, you know, look into because, you know, shots
Fired regardless out there is illegal and shouldn't be happening.

980
01:56:13,340 --> 01:56:13,340
we have we have the port malabar gun range, we have frog bones.

981
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,400
we have the gun range down in indian river. So there's plenty of spaces in regards to the shooting aspect.

982
01:56:22,100 --> 01:56:22,100
so I think shotspotter technology is a quick look that we can do.

983
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,930
other than that. And this is more long term.

984
01:56:30,730 --> 01:56:30,730
I know I myself have spoken with and you all have too spoken to the gentleman from in
Regards to emerald lakes.

985
01:56:37,210 --> 01:56:37,210
but I spoke to them about the compound as well as other applicants that are looking at
Developing in the city of palm bay in regards to land assemblage, buying up multiple lots

986
01:56:46,750 --> 01:56:47,860
and developing it. That's why I think possibly looking at opportunity zone or to your point, mayor, rezoning
This area can be a benefit.

987
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:56,470
so I think that's something we need to take into consideration, too, whether we, you
Know, direct staff or our economic development team to look into companies that operate

988
01:57:05,290 --> 01:57:05,290
atv parks or companies that operate what we're looking for.

989
01:57:10,090 --> 01:57:10,090
we have other industries that are looking from the space industry, looking at the
Compound.

990
01:57:15,010 --> 01:57:15,010
so there's no reason why two mr olshevsky's point why we it can't be a multiple pronged
Approach in regards to addressing this area.

991
01:57:22,570 --> 01:57:25,270
yes, it's going to be lengthy, but that can be the long term approach. In regards to the short term, um, our police have, you know, so much more to cover with
The city.

992
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:31,760
but what we can do is look at technology and utilize it to our, you know, our advantage.

993
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:38,840
so those are my comments right now. Mayor, I appreciate all the dialog that we've had here.

994
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:41,510
I know it's been a long few months, especially mrs mrs brown I'm looking directly at you,
Ma'am.

995
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:47,030
I know I can never be be able to fathom what you and your family are going through, but
We're here with you and I know it's been multiple months since december 25th, but we're

996
01:57:56,600 --> 01:58:00,230
still here for you. So we're really trying to work towards getting this resolved. And the chief told you and I know he talks to you out, you know, outside of this, like
This is their top priority and it's ours as well.

997
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:10,280
and to everybody else, this is our top priority, too. So we appreciate the dialog that you're having and continue to keep keep the contact and
Keep the dialog going.

998
01:58:16,130 --> 01:58:18,800
reaching out to the mayor, myself, anybody else. But in the meantime, this is what I see as the main thing is the shooting's out there.

999
01:58:25,790 --> 01:58:25,790
so I think shotspotter technology is something of a quick thing we can look at.

1000
01:58:30,460 --> 01:58:34,090
mayor, have you researched some of the costs for that? Well well, that's where through procurement we can have a competitive bid to drive to
Drive down the cost.

1001
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:44,170
so. Yes, sir. Thank you. Does that conclude your comments? Yes, sir. That concludes my comments. Thank you. Councilman johnson deputy mayor.

1002
01:58:46,420 --> 01:58:47,740
thank you, mayor. Yeah. Let me start to speak to the family that lost the young man or the two gentlemen last
December.

1003
01:58:54,910 --> 01:58:57,430
certainly our hearts goes out to you. And I want to specifically speak to the fact some of the comments that that were made.

1004
01:59:02,710 --> 01:59:02,710
and I truly sorry, I know it's easy to say, you know, keep it as is.

1005
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:10,390
you know, it's a great place and this and that. All the comments that were made and I truly apologize.

1006
01:59:14,020 --> 01:59:14,020
and I know for one, that lost a family member that didn't that must have hurt to hear
That the the notion of

1007
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:23,320
diminishing a lost life, especially a young one.

1008
01:59:28,450 --> 01:59:30,710
I couldn't imagine being in your position. And certainly I didn't take that lightly.

1009
01:59:34,130 --> 01:59:37,400
and I want you to know, I heard you and everything is being done. We're doing the best we can and we're going to continue to work at it.

1010
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:41,480
but but certainly councilman johnson mentioned quite a bit of of possible solution, which
I would echo the same, I think land

1011
01:59:50,990 --> 01:59:50,990
use, the zoning aspect of it, those are within our purview that we may be able to act
Right away and certainly looking

1012
02:00:00,470 --> 02:00:00,470
at possible private partner, private public partnership in some of the the the, you know,
Aspect,

1013
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:14,180
bringing something out there on some of the land that we use. I mean, we currently own, those are some possible quick, quicker move we can make.

1014
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:24,060
but certainly it's going to take a long time. It's going to take a long time. I want the public to know that, yeah, we can certainly secure that area and also keep the
Aspect of a great, great outdoor in terms of

1015
02:00:33,890 --> 02:00:37,430
to to have the ability to do some of these activities. I think we need to do both.

1016
02:00:38,780 --> 02:00:40,070
we need to secure both. But for the time being, I think it's important that we start looking into zoning, zoning
And land use possibilities.

1017
02:00:48,260 --> 02:00:52,130
what we can do right now to to to move forward. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, deputy mayor.

1018
02:00:53,990 --> 02:00:56,750
and I'm going to begin my my comments. Listen to the family.

1019
02:00:59,750 --> 02:01:02,930
god bless you. You have a praying mayor. Ever since that horrible day of the news, I've been locking arms with you and I'm
Declaring angels over your family to bring you peace and comfort.

1020
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:12,320
the loss of life is a difficult process for anyone to endure, in particular when it's a
Child.

1021
02:01:19,820 --> 02:01:19,820
and so know that I was grateful that the police chief came up and it is still the number
One priority.

1022
02:01:28,660 --> 02:01:30,700
of his law enforcement officials. It is still heavy on each and every one of their minds and their souls.

1023
02:01:36,190 --> 02:01:40,030
and they've worked really hard on this investigation. It is an open investigation.

1024
02:01:41,770 --> 02:01:44,500
and I'm sorry that he can't share much more. But the assurance that it is a priority not only for the police department here in palm
Bay, but for each and every one of us that sit up

1025
02:01:54,430 --> 02:01:54,430
here. Our hearts and prayers are with you of comfort when it comes to the issues at hand.

1026
02:02:02,470 --> 02:02:02,470
when you look at our next steps, I'm all across the board.

1027
02:02:08,230 --> 02:02:08,230
uh, the discussion of an fpl substation is critical to the growth of that area.

1028
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:13,600
right, ma'am. And and so part of that.

1029
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:17,840
I even want to expound it, not only to talk about the possibility of something like a
Mesa park or an atv park.

1030
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:27,080
mesa park. I think they have one down in I believe it's fellsmere or sebastian, but that
That possibility does exist.

1031
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:37,400
at the same time, we have to keep in mind that we have a corridor that we're responsible
For.

1032
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:45,560
and in that court, if we're talking about the compound, we're looking at what we can do
With our own property, right?

1033
02:02:52,370 --> 02:02:52,370
and that is the future land use that is talking about what corridor we can control.

1034
02:02:59,090 --> 02:03:02,570
and right now, there's over 2900 acres. There's so many other owners.

1035
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:04,880
but let's start looking within ourselves to see where we can go and fix part of and
Provide a solution to this.

1036
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:15,300
so there is. When it comes to our next steps, as we you've outlined, madam sherman, I'm truly
Believing in all of these.

1037
02:03:21,660 --> 02:03:21,660
I believe that an economic development plan is going to be critical to that corridor.

1038
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:27,840
I also believe that we have to re designate the future land use.

1039
02:03:32,910 --> 02:03:36,810
and part of that I love the fpl, like I like I mentioned. But here's something else.

1040
02:03:39,470 --> 02:03:39,470
will the citizens that own all these properties out there?

1041
02:03:45,670 --> 02:03:45,670
are they willing to invest in their own property like for decades now?

1042
02:03:51,370 --> 02:03:51,370
the properties have been valued at 1000 or $2000.

1043
02:03:55,870 --> 02:03:55,870
and and they're paying taxes of, I don't know, maybe less than less than $100.

1044
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:05,290
right. What what are they willing to do? Most of them did that as an investment.

1045
02:04:09,470 --> 02:04:09,470
are they willing to do a special assessment so that they can create property values out
There as well?

1046
02:04:16,370 --> 02:04:16,370
so those are thoughts that looking and like you said, councilman johnson, this is not a
Next day fix.

1047
02:04:23,540 --> 02:04:26,210
this is a long range planning. Um, one of the individuals that spoke, she she hit the nail on the head.

1048
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:33,830
she said 20 years. And what has happened within those 20 years.

1049
02:04:36,830 --> 02:04:36,830
so what are we prepared to do that 20 years from now when my great grandchildren are
Here?

1050
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:45,770
what what can be said that we did here collectively to make a change, a positive change
In our community?

1051
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:53,960
certainly an atv park is is part of that we're giving and even more so.

1052
02:04:59,870 --> 02:05:03,080
I love kamaraj mentioned an amphitheater. The use that we can have here with an amphitheater is huge.

1053
02:05:07,450 --> 02:05:07,450
so those are my thoughts and I'd love to go down that range of these next steps.

1054
02:05:14,770 --> 02:05:14,770
none of that amphitheater park cannot be done without dealing with a strategic plan and
So on.

1055
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:23,320
so madam sherman, you got kind of like a consensus here on with the three members.

1056
02:05:31,300 --> 02:05:31,300
what are your thoughts? What would you like for us to to tackle next?

1057
02:05:36,350 --> 02:05:36,350
uh, thank you, mayor, and I appreciate council's feedback and all the residents and
Members of the community who spoke tonight.

1058
02:05:42,650 --> 02:05:45,740
I think we have a clearer sense of where you'd like us to go. I think a number of the options that we'll need to look at and do some more homework on
Relate to the the big heavy lift, which relates to all the

1059
02:05:55,130 --> 02:05:55,130
individual leone properties and what are the financial mechanisms we can use to actually
See some of that change.

1060
02:06:03,650 --> 02:06:03,650
so some of the things we mentioned that you actually just referenced, you know, whether
We're looking at special assessments, whether we're going down a path of eminent domain,

1061
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:13,310
you know, there's all these things that we can consider. And if you want us to just keep all those options on the table, then what we'll do is go
Forward and start really digging into those and seeing what those costs are for some of

1062
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:21,440
those things. And then bring back to you some strategies that we can offer for your
Consideration and actual voting at a regular meeting.

1063
02:06:29,570 --> 02:06:29,570
ma'am, just to be clear, I'm good with special assessments in that in that process before
We go down an eminent domain path.

1064
02:06:39,690 --> 02:06:41,070
eminent domain. And I don't want to I don't want to belabor this, but I from from what I understand and
Let me let me get the city attorney's

1065
02:06:51,090 --> 02:06:51,090
feedback on this, madam smith.

1066
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:56,080
um. When it comes to eminent domain, would that be more of for a park?

1067
02:07:03,530 --> 02:07:03,530
is a park for the greater good?

1068
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:09,850
of this community. Is that is that part of the criteria for something like that?

1069
02:07:13,390 --> 02:07:14,830
yes, it can be a park. You can someone mentioned a community center.

1070
02:07:17,980 --> 02:07:19,270
those type of things. There is a number of things, as we discussed at the last workshop as far as what the
Statute allows.

1071
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:27,430
there certainly right of way additional road land for the roads, whether it land

1072
02:07:36,610 --> 02:07:40,330
for to expand upon utilities. All of those would be appropriate uses.

1073
02:07:42,580 --> 02:07:44,620
thank you, ma'am. Thank you for clarifying that. So it's on the table.

1074
02:07:47,290 --> 02:07:47,290
and I think all these next steps is something that we can all collectively agree on that
We need to move forward in order to make a change.

1075
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,970
but I love the idea of an atv park. The idea of having that type of community output recreation, if you will.

1076
02:08:05,020 --> 02:08:07,030
and that concludes my comments. Madam sherman you do have enough to move forward.

1077
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,400
good. Okay. Well, outstanding. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in our workshop.

1078
02:08:16,850 --> 02:08:19,250
truly appreciate everyone's input. This meeting is adjourned.