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It is now 1800 hours at 6:00. I'm calling this regular council meeting 2025 dash 20 to
Order.

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the invocation will be provided by pastor paul fournier of lifepoint church,
And the pledge of allegiance will be given by chandler langevin.

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councilman chandler langevin, I should say. Will you all rise for the invocation?

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most gracious heavenly father, we we trust in you.

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that's what the country was based on. And god,
We trust. And we look to you tonight to lead this meeting to lead us.

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I pray that you lead this council in righteousness and justice.

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god, I pray that answers will be met when questions are brought forward.

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god, we want to see your will done in this city and in this country.

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so, god, I pray that you bless this meeting. All the councilmen,
The mayor and everyone else who's involved.

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thank you father. Just bless this time. In jesus name,
Amen.

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amen. Councilman landsman was up there. Oh, I'll do it.

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I'll do it. That's right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.

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and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under god,
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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hoorah! Where'd he go? You were supposed to lead the pledge.

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oh, thank you, councilman johnson. Yes, sir. Roll call.

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miss leffler. Mayor. Medina. Hey, this meeting is now in order.

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ladies and gentlemen, this meeting is now in order.

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okay. Mayor. Medina. Present. Deputy. Mayor jaffe. Present. Councilman. Johnson. Present. Councilman.

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hammer. Present. Councilman. Langevin. Present. Mr. Morton. Present. Miss smith. Present. Agenda revisions.

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mr. Morton. I think we're on

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announcements. I do not have any. I do not. As you were,
Deputy mayor.

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announcements. There's one term expiring on the melbourne tillman water control district.

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anyone wishing to serve on these boards can apply online at palm bay. Florida.gov. Or
Contact the city clerk's office at 9523414.

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thank you, madam smith. And the agenda revisions? No, sir. Council. Any agenda revisions? No, sir.

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okay. So we are now on proclamations.

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so I'm going to have lisa hinchman come on up from space coast health foundation.

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come on up on the platform up here. Don't be shy.

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so it's national suicide prevention month. The month of september.

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it is hereby proclaimed by the mayor of the city of palm bay,
Which I always say is the greatest city on the face of the earth.

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whereas september is designated as national suicide prevention month,
As recognized by the national association of mental illness.

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and whereas many local, state and national health officials and community leaders
Understand that mental health,

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mental illness is a significant issue of concern,
Particularly among our youth.

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whereas we realize that more open and honest discussion about mental health is required to
Address mental health issues.

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and whereas one major hurdle to remove the stigma attached to mental health treatment and
Discussion,

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whereas individuals, businesses, organizations,
Public officials and many other recognized the importance of emotional health.

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now, therefore, I rob medina, mayor of the city of palm bay,
By virtue of the authority of said office,

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do hereby proclaim september as national suicide prevention month in the city of palm bay
And encourage all

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a positive effort to inspire those with mental health issues. To seek help of a family member, seek help of a friend,
A colleague or a licensed mental health professional to assist them

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in their time of need. The city of palm bay supports the efforts of space coast to provide
Education and resources for mental health

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problems and witness hereof, I set my hand and caused the seal of the city to be affixed
This fourth day of

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september 2025. Congratulations, lisa. Thank you for everything you do on our behalf.

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thank you sir. There you go ma'am. You have. Thank you.

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very nicely done. Very nicely done. So mental health is not easy to discuss or talk about.

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depression is not easy to talk about. Suicide?

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most definitely not easy to talk about. So, mayor,
Deputy mayor, council, thank you for allowing me to be here to talk about the suicide

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prevention awareness month. I'm lisa hickman. I am the executive assistant to jeanette gindling,
Who is the president ceo of the space coast health foundation.

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and our mission is to enhance the health and wellness of individuals and communities in
Brevard county.

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so that is one of the reasons why this is very near and dear to our heart. To our heart. We operate the children's advocacy center of brevard.

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so we take care of all the kiddos that have been victims of abuse.

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we also have lifetime counseling center licensed therapists.

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and then most probably familiar, we have the center for collaboration which most people
Have been there for a meeting or a gathering of some sort.

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but the one thing that I would like to say is that 148 guardians committed suicide in
2023.

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in the last ten years. 2023 was the highest year.

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so 148 a year. That's too many. I would like to thank you for your support for many years.

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I've been here for a couple of years. So I'd like to thank you. And I'd like to thank you
For acknowledging september as being the suicide prevention and awareness month.

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and the more we talk about mental health and letting people know that it's okay to get
Help,

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we'll reduce that stigma. And hopefully we can get our brevard county citizens.

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we can get that number down. Because that stigma is not okay.

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and council mayor, we really appreciate you doing your part in bringing this forward.

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and the one last thing that I would really like to say is that,
And I want to leave you with,

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is that it is okay to not be okay.

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thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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thank you. Do you have a call? Do you have a card? I do, I did give one to you. Okay. I'll get it.

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I'll get it from her. Thank you very much.

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we are now on public comments. And I just wanted to pursuant to council's policies,
The public comment portion of this meeting will not be

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broadcast or streamed. Deputy mayor first.

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gentlemen anyone wish to pull an item from consent?

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if not, I need a motion. I make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second. Got a motion by councilman deputy mayor jaffee.

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second, seconded by councilman johnson. All in favor signify by saying aye.

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aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously, miss smith,
Ordinance 2025.

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that's 33 an ordinance of the city of palm bay,
Brevard county, florida, amending the fiscal year 2025 budget by appropriating and

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allocating funds as identified in exhibit a,
Consisting of two pages, and incorporated in its entirety herein.

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recognizing that such appropriations must be made pursuant to the code of ordinances of
The city of palm bay.

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chapter 35 finance. Adopting, ratifying, confirming and validating the allocations.

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providing for an effective date. Thank you. Ma'am. Councilman hammond. This is public hearing number one.

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correct? Well, I haven't called it yet. No, they were reading the ordinance out of the out
Of the consent agenda.

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we're now on public hearing. Item number one,
Miss smith, ordinance 2025, dash 29, an ordinance of the city

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of palm bay. Ma'am, can I interrupt you for a second?

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councilman. Hammer? Yeah. I was trying to say before we announced it,
I was abstaining from number one,

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so I would need to step up. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

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this is consistent with councilman. Hammer. Did at the first reading?

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say again? Yes, ma'am. He abstained during the first reading. This is the second reading.
Carry on.

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yes, ma'am. Go ahead. Ordinance 2025 dash 29,
An ordinance of the city of palm bay, brevard county,

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florida, vacating and abandoning a portion of the rear 20 foot public utility and drainage
Easement located within lot 34,

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block 171, port malabar. Unit seven, according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat
Book 14,

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page 128 of the public records of brevard county,
Florida, and legally described herein, providing for an effective date.

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thank you ma'am. I'm going to open up the public hearing and defer to mr. Morton. This is the second reading. Mayor and council of the request to vacate the
Easement for the construction of a pool and deck.

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again, this is the second reading and staff has recommended approval of vacation of the
Easement.

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thank you. Any questions? Council. Any questions of staff?

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seeing none. Anyone in the audience wish to speak for or against this item?

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seeing none, I'm closing the public hearing and asking for a motion. So moved. Second. Got a motion by councilman johnson, seconded by deputy mayor jaffe.

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any further discussion, gentlemen? Seeing none,
I'm calling the question.

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all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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passes four zero. Let the record reflect that,
Michael. Councilman michael hammer abstained. We are now on item number two,
Madam smith, ordinance 2025,

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dash 2531. An ordinance of the city of palm bay,
Brevard county, florida, amending the code of ordinances,

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title 17, land development code, chapter 174 standards for accessory,
Temporary, and other uses and structures.

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subchapter part one accessory uses and structures.

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by increasing the number of backyard chickens permitted on single family lots within
Certain zoning districts,

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providing for the repeal of ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict. Herewith providing for inclusion in city of palm bay.

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code of ordinances. Providing for severability clause. Providing for an effective date. Thank you ma'am.

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I'm going to open up the public hearing. And mr. Morton. Thank you again, honorable mayor, city council,
This is the second read for this ordinance was a textual amendment requested to amend the

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code of ordinances title 17, land development code,
Chapter 174.

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in essence, to increase the number of allowable backyard chickens from 4 to 6,
Staff has no recommendation.

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thank you. Councilman langevin, any comments before I turn it to the public?

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no, I'm good mayor. Thank you. Anyone in the audience wish to speak for or against this
Item?

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please step forward, master chief. Yes, ma'am.

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come sit close. Bill batten, 586 ocean spray street,
Southwest.

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in chapter 174, is there any requirements for the chicken coops to be inspected?

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there's designated on what the size has to be and stuff like this,
But is there any requirement or any requirement to have it inspected?

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that's what I'm requesting. Just curious for that aspect. Me personally, I don't even mind the roosters.

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it sounds like being at home to me, so let's go ahead and keep them coming. Thank you. Thank you. Staff. There

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is no inspection requirement. There are guidelines promulgated by the florida department
Of agriculture for the amount of space ideal for chickens,

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and with the increase, they're recommending a chicken coop somewhere in the order of
Magnitude of 66 to 84ft² of enclosed housing.

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that's their recommendation. But other than that will be code code compliance driven by
Complaint.

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we're not going to complaint. We're not going to police it. I do not have chicken police.
We don't have active chicken enforcement. Yes. Copy that sir. I still believe in the sweet

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spot. Ma'am. You're next. Good evening again.

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I just wanted to come up to clarify, because the questions come up a couple times in the
Past about how many eggs a chicken can lay. And I don't want to take too much time, but

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chickens do only lay one egg per day. It's very uncommon for them to lay two eggs per day.

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that would be a hormone imbalance. Sometimes they don't lay any eggs that day,
So that could be due to stress weather deficiencies.

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but anyway, I digress. Six is an improvement from the four. I think it should be closer to eight because raising chickens,
You lose some in the flock here and there. But I'll take what we got.

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I'll take what we can get. So thank you. My neighbor can argue that she.

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I know her chickens lay more than just one egg a day.

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who else is with mister spice? And are you speaking as well?

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next? No. I just good evening. I just have a couple questions on that.

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you know, as hoa president, we don't go into people's backyards. You know, I don't know if it's in our documents,
But I personally refuse to do so.

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so you don't know what's going on besides the chickens doing that thing back there?

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but, you know, you know, I grew up with ambulance and fire trucks going by,
So the chickens would keep me up.

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but you know, when you have six and you have roosters there,
And they become noisy and you know,

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everybody has a right to some peace and quiet. So how do you monitor a quality of life? I mean,
Got a bunch of chickens, I think not only in our neighborhood,

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but right across tilghman canal. How do you monitor respecting somebody's quality of life
To.

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I mean, is it right up there with a barking dog? You know, that that makes some people crazy or they get used to it.

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how do you be fair to the people next to, you know,
The houses here?

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not everybody's a farmer, you know. How do you respect the quality of life?

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I haven't heard anything about that. Just that,
You know, people from l3 harris have chickens and they want to have them.

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all right. What about the the people that it's a noise issue.

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it's also a health issue. You get people that have dogs. They shouldn't even have pets at all. They don't take care of them.

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so you're not inspecting them at all. How do you you know,
Otherwise you're going to get a slew of calls,

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too, for quality of life. And this place is a no pun intended,
But a pigsty.

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I mean, they don't clean up after them. So what about the people that enjoy or want to
Maintain their quality of life as well?

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thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak for or against this item?

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okay. Seeing none, I need a motion. I'm closing the public hearing and asking for a
Motion.

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alright, I'll make a motion to pass this on. Final reading. Second. Got a motion by councilman langevin,
Seconded by councilman hammer.

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any further discussion, gentlemen? Seeing none.

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all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed.

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signify by saying nay. Nay. Passes. Four one. Item number three, miss smith. Ordinance 20 2532,
An ordinance of the city of palm bay, brevard county,

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florida, amending the code of ordinances, title five,
Legislative chapter 51 public hearings by including additional provisions for time limits

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of public hearing items. Providing for the repeal of ordinances or parts of ordinances in
Conflict.

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herewith providing for inclusion in the city of palm bay. Code of ordinances providing for severability clause.

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providing for an effective date. Thank you ma'am,
I'm opening up the public hearing.

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and madam loeffler. Yes. Thank you mayor. This ordinance was requested by deputy mayor
Jaffe and is for final reading.

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it provides for speaker time limits on public hearing items that are not located within
The land development code.

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this will standardize the time allotted for all public hearing items,
Allowing 30 minutes for the applicant, 30 minutes for staff, and three minutes for public

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comments. And he removed the the item. You don't have to write.

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you can just still raise your hand, right? No request for speaker cards. You can still raise your hand. Okay. Any additional comments?

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deputy mayor, anyone in the audience wish to speak for or against this item,
Please step forward,

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master chief. Bill batten, 586 ocean spray street,

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southwest. I'd just like to thank the council for removing the requirement that for public
Hearings,

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that you didn't have to fill an orange card in on every single one. I come 30 minutes early just because I have to submit so much paperwork now,
That that would just be that much longer.

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I'd have to come earlier for. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Anyone else wish to speak for or against this item?

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seeing none, I'm closing the public hearing and asking for a motion. So moved. Second. Got a motion by deputy mayor jaffe,
Seconded by councilman johnson.

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all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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passes five zero. We are now on procurement item number one,
Mr.

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morton. Thank you, honorable mayor. City council,
We have before you tonight the bill for the claremont forest main.

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spill. I did ask gabriel bowden to come tonight to give a presentation.

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essentially, we do have the final bill. 90 days. We have a requirement to pay. We're here tonight to get that payment in.

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the amount of $1.124 million is an additional 14,533 coming for street repair.

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more importantly, the reason the staff report so long is I wanted to go ahead and bring up
The history and more importantly,

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where we are in terms of next steps and future prevention,
Which is to the best of our ability outlined.

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additionally, I think one of the last remaining steps that we've discussed that we will
Still conduct with hoa's and residents around cherokee creek,

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which we're still waiting to hear the final order of a fine from fdep somewhere in the
Magnitude,

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we believe, of between 15,000 and $40,000. We have asked that consent order be reissued,
And that we're able to use that money towards a

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local water quality improvement project, guided by our residents there around the turkey
Creek.

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again, we do have gabriel here to give any further questions or discuss this at length.

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again, my concern is to not lose the trust that we've had with the residents,
With all the communication, we did proactively reach out again this week,

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talk with hoas, talk with other residents who are on our contact list as we continue to
Close this out and let them know we've not forgotten that we made commitments,

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and we'll finish those out through the rest of the process. Can we use some of the funding
Regarding the baffle boxes?

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no. Okay. As you were. Thank you. Okay. It is helping turkey creek.

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so, are you having gabriel come up to do the presentation,
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I think we're good. I think I think if you wanted. Or he'll just answer questions. I think the staff report was,
You know, pretty explanatory.

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I don't know how deep you wanted us to dive into it tonight. Councilman hammer.

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I don't have any questions at all. I don't have any questions. I just want to go on record. One of the things that I've always expressed is for us to
Show our approval of the vendors when they do good.

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I think we should have some kind of quality or quality scale.

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when people do overperform, I do want to say thank you to our utilities department,
But I want to go on record on saying how how extensive cathcart

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performed. There was people that was there that I went by there at least eight times,
And some of those people were there every single time I was there.

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so I do want to go on record saying I'm the quality and the service we received from this
Company was,

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was beyond measure. You know, councilman hammer,
I wholeheartedly agree.

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and there were passionate there were guys that were working in our own team.

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so cathcart did come through for us and and to that argument,
Well, our city manager just stepped out,

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but I agree, they they did perform outstandingly.

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and I think we should recognize that and make a note of that.

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gabriel and staff, because these folks they they were invested in our community.

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but what hasn't been said was they were in the midst of another project within florida,
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moment's notice so that they should be commended for that as well. So thank you, mayor. I'd just like to make a comment,
Too.

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just looking at the unit prices, they were extremely fair.

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they did not charge us emergency rates. You know,
As a contractor, you usually get three things good,

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fast and cheap. You only get two of those and they seem to deliver all three,
And I didn't I don't even see a charge for mobilization or maintenance of traffic in here,

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which is which is pretty cool. So thank you. Yeah I agree.

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so mr. Morton, you were out, but council is raving about cathcart and the superior service
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our time of need. Especially when, on a moment's notice,
They came from a distant location,

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and they they invested in our community. So we were all quiet,
And they put all of their work on hold to treat us as a priority.

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so I'm very appreciative. Yes, sir. Yeah. Thank you sir. So I need a motion. I'll make that motion second.

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got a motion by deputy mayor jaffee, seconded by councilman johnson. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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passes unanimously. We're now on new business number one.

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so as as most of you know we are not streaming our public comment section,
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believe that there's there's a place and I didn't agree with it then,
And, and I, I agree that we should reinstate it

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today. We should never hinder the public from saying anything.

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and why not stream it so that the rest of the residents can literally see what their
Constituency,

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what their residents, what their neighbors are speaking about. So I'm glad that council
Decided to reconsider this this policy.

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I'm really excited. That for whatever reason,
We're looking at it in a different view

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today where we're being inclusive of the comments of every one of our residents.

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so with that deputy mayor, are there speaker cards?

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yeah, mayor, we got two cards on this topic. We have lance fisher for speaker.

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lance fisher, palm bay first mayor I just wanted to thank you for bringing the people's
Voices back to the dais,

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at least for a vote. Councilman hammer, thank you for being the citizen's voice and
Councilman johnson.

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thank you for listening to the citizens and seconding the motion to bring this back up. I
Appreciate it, gentlemen. Deputy mayor jaffe,

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I request, I just ask I urge you to start listening to the citizens. They have spoken loudly over the past several months,
And yet you've ignored them.

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if you fail to see the value in your citizens,
I hope they speak even louder. Come election time. You continue to silence the citizens at every council meeting with new
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but then seem amazed when citizens don't show up for workshops and meetings. Today, a yes vote will change that. You will show the citizens that you two are listening
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you can make a difference. Let's not forget that january and january citizens lost the
Right to speak against consent items and lost their secondary opportunity for public

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speaking. Time and time again, city staff is called to this podium to defend positions,
Often belittling or chastising citizens for their comments.

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yet the citizens don't get an opportunity to redress this council. I recommend a total reversal and silencing the citizens,
And give us a chance to speak on consent items and a chance to have a second public

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speaking opportunity in life. And of course,
Live stream the public comments.

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I actually agree that providing staff 48 hours to review and prepare for presentations is
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and should remain in effect. So once again, thank you mayor.

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thank you, councilman johnson. And thank you,
Councilman hammer, ken delgado.

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kendall godwin, five four angelo road, southeastern palm bay,
Florida. 32909. I'm also very thankful, first of all,
For all that you all are doing, but also thankful that this is coming up again.

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I'd like to piggyback on what my wife said. The last time we talked about it. She said, you know, it's like you all are the husband,
Husband and and the constituents are the the wives.

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and I don't know about you. I have a wife and and if I don't communicate to my wife I'm.

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I'm in deep trouble. And so communication is so important.

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it it really, we call it cpr. I know it's cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

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we call it communication promotes partnership,
Which enhances relationship.

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and the real issue here of freedom of speech. And it's just communicating to the to your I'm going to call it the wife or wives.

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although it breaks down, the analogy breaks down in that we don't believe in polygamy. And I'm not talking about five husbands and 140,000 wives,
But the the analogy is just this communication is so

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valuable when you when you limit communication,
It's like limiting the communication to your family.

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and when you limit the communication to your family,
It creates problems and it hinders relationship.

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so I really believe that today, as it was just said,
We have an opportunity to to really go,

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okay, you know, maybe there was a good reason I never found out what the reason was,
But like driving you make a wrong turn.

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the wife told you go, right, you went left, and then you found out your wife was right.

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and so what do we do? We just say, forgive me,
Honey, turn around, and and we make corrections.

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and so as as the leaders or the husband, as the leaders,
We we do trust you.

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but as the wives, so to speak, we also believe that we should have a voice and that that
Voice should not be limited.

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and so we're just asking you to just reconsider that that point and listen to the wife
Section of of this

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relationship. This partnership that we have and,
And just institute that freedom of speech opportunity so that the rest of the

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the rest of the people of our community can actually hear what we're saying.

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and I think that's just proper. Right. And, and and what a wonderful opportunity to just
Made a wrong turn.

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okay. We just turn back and and just move forward. Thank you all for all you do. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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next speaker, kristin lansanah. Hello again.

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I will keep this short and sweet. The originally originally,
Whenever this was taken off of the broadcasting,

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it was under a red herring argument because the fcc doesn't like,
Doesn't regulate the broadcasting of public comments on government channels.

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so I just wanted to bring that up. The public has the right to view local politics from
Home.

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I wouldn't have to drag my kids here every time if we could watch them from home. So I just wanted to include that including the public comments is very important.

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bring bring back, bring back the broadcast. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. That concludes the cards.

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mayor. Okay. So at this time I would need a motion.

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so moved. I'll second. So I got a motion by councilman johnson,
Seconded by mayor medina.

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any further discussion? Councilman johnson councilman hammer?

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yeah. Unfortunately last week, I had to do what the public had to do.

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I had to watch public comments from my house because I was sick.

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well, guess what I didn't get to. I didn't get to see the looks on people's faces when
They came up here to talk to our council,

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I didn't get to hear their hear them other than over the phone.

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it wasn't something that I want to do once my time is done here.

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also, another thing I want to say is a lot of discussions were had tonight with republic.

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republic came in and said we did something and we apologize.

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only 50 people heard it. That's something that I think should have been broadcasted.

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and I think a lot of people could have heard that and stopped posting about it,
Understood what's going on,

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and we could have moved on without probably the 70 to 100 calls we're going to get for the
Next week.

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we discussed the evans center. Everybody came up here and spilled their heart about the
Evans center.

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about about its its its its place in the community,
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evans, what he provided for our community. I mean,
Even me growing up, the you know, it was it's it's a huge part of the community and the

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public didn't see it. And if I was still sick,
Guess what? I wouldn't have been able to see that. And lastly,
Being a videographer, I'm not saying anybody has or anybody will.

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I want to I want you guys to understand how easy it would be to make it look like we did
Something or said something if it was recorded.

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and guess what? They skipped. Skip around and find something from two weeks ago and they
Put it in there.

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guess what? We have no way to prove that. We didn't say that.

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you know, there's no way to go back and see what what was actually said.

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so I'm going to be in favor of bringing back public comment being televised.

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and I think it's something that we should all gather around.

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thank you. Thank you. Deputy mayor, deputy mayor,
Deputy mayor.

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thank you. Mayor. Councilman hammer you touched a chord with me tonight that made a whole
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opened up a different perspective to me. And I know we have a responsibility as a council.

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and, you know, I also feel the residents also have a responsibility to to speak truth when
They come up at public comments and not speak on misinformation.

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and I've noticed that a lot since I've been on council,
That there is a lot of misinformation that's being shared during public comments.

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and there's also times when really good information comes out. And I just urge, you know, the residents also have a responsibility to treat this place
With respect and with decorum proper language and,

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and also just speak truth and ask questions and and not spread misinformation when you
Come up and speak.

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so with all that being said, councilman anamarie changed my mind tonight. Thank you. Outstanding. Well, I'm I'm grateful that

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councilman or I. I'll put it this way. I'm truly grateful that god used councilman hamer
To change your mind today.

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yes. Glory to god. Without further ado, I'm calling the question.

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all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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passes five zero. We are now on. We're now. Ladies,
Order!

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we're now on item number two. New business, mr.

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morton. Thank you, honorable mayor. City council we brought back tonight.

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from what? Staff? Heard from you all. And from our legislative representatives.

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the. We brought back six consolidated staff council parties.

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excuse me for the legislative directives this year. They're summarized in this memorandum. On top of that,
We've been working closely with our consultant at sunrise,

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andrew carlisle. You should have got an email today. I'll just put this out there now so
You have an awareness. He's suggesting four visits to tallahassee this year.

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these are six proposed tentative weeks. I'm just going to throw those out. You have them in an email. But the week of ten six,
The week of 1013, the week of 11 three,

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the week of 1117, the week of 12 one and the week of 12 eight. Nothing's been finalized, just a general awareness. And again,
I sent those to you in an email. But the point of tonight is to get acknowledgment and or

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correction or further direction on the submitted six legislative priorities that the staff
Has brought back.

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thank you all. I'll start off with councilman langevin.

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yeah, I just I support him 100%. It's exactly what I was looking for.

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so I'm going to be behind them. Thank you. Councilman hammer.

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I love everything and I want to thank staff for doing how much that they did in a week.

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there's a lot of info in here. And I had a lot of questions when I had my briefing and our
Staff had everything down to a t I would say

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before I was even elected, I had a discussion with our police chief about the about the
Training building being named after sergeant tovar

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being a fleet services tech. I dealt with mr. Tovar on a daily basis because everything range came into fleet.

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we were doing a lot with them. The range was his baby as well as someone else's.

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but to see the training building being named for him,
It really hits home for me.

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and if we do go to present that, I would love to be there to see it presented,
If that's okay with everybody.

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yes, sir. I'm good. I'm good. Okay. Deputy mayor.

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yeah, just to the point. I think staff did a great job listening to us at the at the
Council meeting,

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when this was discussed, when the consultant was here and excited about what these
Opportunities look like.

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and I hope we have a successful legislative session in tallahassee.

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yeah. Thank you. And I just wanted to add, you know,
Staff did an excellent job of deciphering that.

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but mr. Morton just wanted to give a shout out to juliet mosconi,
Who navigated us through that process.

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so thank you, ma'am, for taking dubious notes and and helping us along the way.

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right. Part of the discussion, gentlemen. This list is I.

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I know that I'll be bringing this before the delegation here pretty soon,
But what's important is we all pick up the phone and speak to each and every

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delegate. And continue that dialog. I think it's going to be critical because we do have a
Champion in monique miller as well.

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we have senator debbie mayfield, who's done an outstanding job,
But we have senior leadership in tyler sirois.

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and so we we need to collectively do the best we can to lobby for these projects.

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and I think we we will be successful. Deputy mayor,
To your point, with that being said, do we have any speaker cards?

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deputy mayor? Lance fisher.

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thank you. Five for the the last vote. I changed my speech to help out lance fisher.

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palm bay. Just to be clear, I'm not speaking for the family of frank tober. This is my
Opinion, based on my personal knowledge of the of the previous project as the former

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deputy chief. I do have a few questions regarding the sergeant frank tober tolbert
Tactical training facility.

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first, I sat in meetings in 2023 regarding legislative priorities. At that time, the pd presented and was awarded state funding for the range improvements.

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I don't recall the amount that was awarded or that was set aside,
But I do know that there was a that we were on the verge of building a training facility

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that would encompass the defensive tactic room and the room for milo. We also discussed offices to potentially house training units to free up some space over
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the question is, is this a second request for an additional building? Or two years later, we are again asking for the same money for the previous building. I'm
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I'm confused as why this this building wasn't built and if we were previously awarded
Money.

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lastly, please consider tabling the name of the project.

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as of tuesday, frank tovar's family was not even aware that there was a push to use his
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remember, it took the city four years to honor frank tobar on the wall of sacrifice park.

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the city still has not officially recognized his death as in the line of duty on behalf of
The city.

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patricia smith fought frank's tobar tobar's family and to this day has denied him any city
Benefits resulting from his death.

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it is sickening to think that the city will again use frank's sacrifice to benefit their
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while failing the needs of his family. Those benefits would have been minimal.

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my understanding is $130,000 compared to the 1.5 million the city is hoping to gain by
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city council. I urge each of you to personally reach out to frank's family and sit down
With them.

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have a discussion about the disrespect they received from your city attorney's office.

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have discussion and conversation of what they endured from the pd staff or the or the lack
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listen to what they have endured having to fight for the rights of frank tobar.

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listen to their disappointment that it took four years to rightfully get him honored on
Sacrifice park.

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lastly, discuss how can this city rectify rectify the wrongs that were done?

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and how can they finally honor frank's sacrifice by awarding those benefits to his family.

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if you truly want to honor sergeant frank tober. Move! Chief ajello and chief speirs to bring back the explorers program that frank tober
Ultimately gave his life for.

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bring back pal. Start a citizen's police academy. Start a citizen's review board for the use of force.

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and the complaints that this that the city continues to get. Again, I just urge you, please sit down with the family.

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they're not even aware that this is happening today. They're not even aware of it. I spoke with her this. Today at 2:00. She wasn't even aware of this.

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show frank tolbert's family the respect he deserve. Reach out to them, please. Please, gentlemen,
Sit down with her.

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listen to her story about what she endured four years ago from your city attorney's
Office.

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thank you. Thank you. Any other speakers? I guess the very first thing we didn't reach out
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patricia tobin regarding the deputy chief on that I did not.

352
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:56,800
microphone.

353
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,400
good evening, mayor and council. The answer is no. We did not reach out to her. And the first reason was because we didn't expect this to be public,
And this was going to be something that was in the works,

354
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:16,440
behind the scenes and be something that once solidified,
We would know that this was, in fact,

355
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,040
happening. So because of the uncertainty, I'm sorry,
Mayor. Go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead. So because the uncertainty of the project and it being completed
And given the award,

356
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,160
we did not make notifications. I see, so you were going on the premise of since this is
Just so preliminary.

357
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:44,000
that's correct. You didn't want to set up any false hope. Is that is that what I'm hearing? That's correct.

358
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,740
understood. All right. Thank you sir. Appreciate it. Any other questions? If it's if it's such a problem naming this building,
If there's heartburn about it,

359
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:59,220
what about the grogan and johnson tactical training building? I mean, swat was formed after that event. Yes.

360
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:02,700
and those officers were killed by gunfire in the line of duty. And it is a shooting range.
So it just I would think it would be a good suggestion for somebody on staff to reach out

361
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:10,780
to the tovar family. And if it's not something that they're willing to be honored with,
Then.

362
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:16,020
then we could look at calling it the grogan and johnson tactical training building.

363
00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:20,540
I would be fine with that. I think that's a good at least allow miss mrs.

364
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:27,740
tovar, patricia tovar the opportunity to to accept or or not.

365
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:33,820
okay. Is that good? Gentlemen, I'm. I'm looking for consensus here.

366
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:39,780
all right. Thank you. All right, gentlemen, I need a motion.

367
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:44,380
so moved. Second. Got a motion by councilman johnson,
Seconded by deputy mayor jaffe.

368
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,760
it was. Whoo! Excellent. He pressed him on accident. Oh, okay. All in favor signify by saying aye.

369
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,360
aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. We're on item number three.

370
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,040
mr. Morton. Thank you, honorable mayor, city council,
This is a consideration of a partial reimbursement

371
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,360
of the bayfront community redevelopment agency's unexpended funds. Just a partial expenditure or reimbursement. Excuse me.

372
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,000
it's for fiscal year 24. We would return 1.329 million to the road maintenance fund is
Proposed,

373
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:31,680
returning 569,000 roughly to brevard county. We are withholding an amount of 1.136 million
For potential

374
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,080
litigation. If that is settled without that money being paid out,
We out would bring back another consideration to split those funds and return those again,

375
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:49,100
respectively, to the city and to the county. If we have other questions in respects to the
Cra or the bayfront area,

376
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:56,340
I know we do have larry here tonight that can answer those for us.

377
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:01,420
did he leave on me? Any questions? Gentlemen?

378
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:05,900
council councilman. Hammer. Yeah, I have a question.

379
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:10,900
do these. So do these funds need to go to the road maintenance fund or can they go towards
Other things?

380
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:19,180
my understanding is this is just historically how the city has reimbursed those funds.

381
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:23,380
I do not believe there's an outright requirement to return those to the road maintenance
Fund.

382
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:28,020
okay. Well, I would have to say originally the bcra was was made to bring people to bring
Palm bay together into the bayfront.

383
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:38,500
over the weekend, I got the pleasure of going to kissimmee lakefront park,
Which is basically just a park that they allow food trucks.

384
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,520
they allow vendors. That it was absolutely amazing. They made a tower that the kids at the schools made.

385
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,760
they got to each school, got to put something up there. It is a place for palm bay to come together for positivity.

386
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,080
so my idea is to bring this this money that the community brought together for something
Within our community and build a

387
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,040
bayfront park. I mean, I know we have castaways there,
But I don't see the 1.3 having an roi.

388
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,320
and I see a park with food trucks events, things.

389
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:23,680
where would you put it? Somewhere down in bayfront.

390
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:28,040
that's that's my that's my best idea. I mean,
Obviously staff can can give us some ideas.

391
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:34,520
I do remember even as a kid fishing down there,
My parents had a bar right on the corner there,

392
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,160
and I would walk over there and fish and now it's just pepper trees.

393
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:45,140
I mean, even if part of it can be take those pepper trees out and give us our view back.

394
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:50,340
I think I, I really think this stuff needs to be spent in the bayfront,
And I think we can come up with some ideas.

395
00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:59,340
and even if we're, you know, using some of it for road maintenance and some to beautify
Bayfront,

396
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:04,620
I, I think we need to get our view back. I think we need to make our bayfront what it or
What it was designed

397
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:14,380
for. Thanks. Thank you. Councilman or deputy mayor jaffe?

398
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:20,180
historically. Right. Goes to the road fund. I think there's just a lot of uncertainty
Right now.

399
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:25,620
and what just our road funding program looks like and our application,
Our process where money should be spent.

400
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:35,580
to councilman hammer's point of, you know, using the money somewhere else. You know, we're in the budget season right now. We're going to be voting on millage next
Week. What if this money's just allocated towards fire trucks and give us a chance to have

401
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:43,320
a discussion monday about potentially just rolling back that millage rate a little bit.

402
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:49,960
not, you know, because I'm not even sure we have the votes there to to get there.

403
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,360
so behind that as well. Okay. So. Yes. Councilman johnson,

404
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:04,600
before we continue more sorry, before we continue more discussion,
Do we have any public comment cards or.

405
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:11,000
bill benton. We can just pause. There's no timeline.

406
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,640
bill batten, 586 ocean spray street, southwest. I have a couple of comments and a couple of statements and questions.

407
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:27,600
first, when what is the gist of the lawsuit? What what would this project in the bayfront?

408
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,080
what was it going to be that now is not there?

409
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:38,300
that's the first question, right? The second question is.

410
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:45,180
why is there a cost from this lawsuit? Potential lawsuit.

411
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:49,660
they gave $500,000, but they're anticipating a $1.2 million back to the

412
00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:59,260
bayfront community development. Right. The next question is,
What is the income?

413
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:06,380
because we've been saying that the refund from the bayfront community redevelopment agency
Coming back in went to pay for road bond road,

414
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:14,380
not road bond road maintenance, because the city failed to maintain its roads,
No road maintenance.

415
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:25,180
they failed. They deteriorated down from a paved road. When I moved here to a dirt road, until we got the residents to bond back $150 million.

416
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:35,260
now, believe it or not, I went from a paved road to a dirt road. I now have a paved road again. I'm appreciative.

417
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:38,320
but with that we said, what is our going to be our mechanism to maintain our roads after
We pay to pave them?

418
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,640
and that was, well, what do we have to fund for a mechanism. And we then at that decided as a council say,
Well, we can take the bayfront redevelopment funds and we can put that towards road

419
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,520
maintenance so we don't end up in the backfield. Same back position we were before with failed roads within the city of palm bay.

420
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:06,320
I promise you, if you can't drive to the bayfront,
You're not going to appreciate the bayfront.

421
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:11,360
if you have to drive through potholes to get to the bayfront,
It's not going to be a very memorable statement.

422
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,200
right? Okay. That being said, don't mess with the roads.

423
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,080
you already said you had to stop what we were doing the last council meeting. You had a bid out. That's going to cost us probably more than what we're going to bring in
From the bayfront.

424
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:33,720
it's going to cost us more to rebid that. Come on,
Folks.

425
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:41,890
the roads have failed the city and made us look bad. Let's don't go down the same road again. Thank you very much.

426
00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:52,330
let's see what he did. Any other speaker cards? I know,
Mayor. All right. You know I. And you know this. There was no road maintenance fund.

427
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:58,370
yep. And and the mechanism to put that in was to have a plan and have a funding mechanism
As as master chief

428
00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:08,090
said. So I would, I would and now we want to flip this.

429
00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:16,050
perhaps what we could do is consider it in the future. But I believe that we should stick to the plan.

430
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:19,930
if you want this to come back. Councilman hammer,
If they're the votes to that want to bring this back,

431
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:27,210
and you want to set aside some of that fund that,
Would that that might work.

432
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:34,150
but right now, the plan is. And it has been to get this.

433
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:40,590
this was a mechanism to fund our road maintenance,
And and right now, you can't.

434
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:46,310
mr. Morton, how much money do we have in our road maintenance fund that we've set aside?

435
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:55,070
yeah, I think about 4 million. About 4 million. And the statistic today when I was doing some transportation research is he's county wide
Statistic.

436
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:59,750
but 84% of the project road transportation projects countywide remain unfunded.

437
00:53:04,550 --> 00:53:04,550
so it's a it's a it's a significant, you know,
Not just a palm bay problem. It's a significant countywide problem just for some context.

438
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:11,670
and so and with for $4 million that we've been working on this for a little bit now.

439
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:16,430
right. Yes, sir. How how much road can we repave.

440
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:21,550
like one mile. So you know. Yeah. So part part of that is that is a great question.

441
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:26,470
it's difficult to know. It depends on a lot of factors whether it's fdr redesigns culverts
Are involved.

442
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:30,870
you know things like transportation, bridges can raise the price,
You know, by council's direction.

443
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:35,730
we're reevaluating not just road bids and costs and getting regional data,
But also a new perspective for whatever ways we can incentivize cost

444
00:53:45,610 --> 00:53:45,610
reductions and encourage additional bidding. The bidding climate,
Can we incentivize road,

445
00:53:49,850 --> 00:53:49,850
you know, road paving companies to come or do that through several mechanisms. So it's bid
For bid,

446
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:58,010
but it could it could do as little as a mile or as much as four miles. Depends on the project. And so we've been at this.

447
00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:04,770
my point is we've been at this for a substantial amount of years. And for us to to just say, let's not do this.

448
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:12,250
you know, I don't think that's the right way to go. That's just me. Right. I kind of like the fact that we were building on something and
Building on our future road maintenance.

449
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:23,250
if I throw that away, then that means I didn't believe in it before,
And I believed in it before,

450
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:28,370
so I. I'm not going to. I'm not going to support tipping the switch on this.

451
00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:35,550
to the contrary, I think we need to continue to think of ways to increase that road
Maintenance fund in the future.

452
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:43,310
so that that should be on the agenda. But as for me,
Right now, I am for this these funds to go to road maintenance.

453
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:51,510
and that's where I would stand. Mayor. Well,
We need a motion.

454
00:54:58,350 --> 00:54:58,350
well, okay. So moved. Got a motion by councilman johnson,
Seconded by mayor medina.

455
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:05,910
I'll second it. You want to third it? Oh, someone second it.

456
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:12,150
sorry. I'll third it. Yeah. Any other discussion?

457
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:20,790
no. Nothing else to add. Mister batten, hit it right on the head. Because this this came in about 2020, right around when you came in.

458
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:27,630
mayor. Actually it was. Yes it was. Yeah. Because we had nothing. Yeah. We had nothing in place and that's what got the roads to the place that they're in
Now.

459
00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:36,290
well, we're getting out of now, so I appreciate your words,
Sir. And let's, let's let's look at innovative ways.

460
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:43,130
we have mr. Morton, who's he's got he's got a vision and he's got a plan. So we'll figure it out together. Thank you. All in favor signify by saying aye.

461
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:48,850
aye. Passes unanimously. We're now on council reports,
Councilman langevin.

462
00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:54,010
thank you. Mayor. So a few meetings ago, we discussed,
And you guys gave me guidance.

463
00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:01,250
I kind of proposed something, and you guys gave me guidance in regards to the go roads
Funding that we still have left.

464
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:08,130
and so I've been discussing things with staff and we kind of have a concept of a plan that
We think would be a good plan.

465
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:16,210
but before we go into details and bring something back for a vote they they just asked me
To get a little bit more guidance from council.

466
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:23,930
so I'm going to kind of present the kind of thousand,
10,000 yard picture of the proposal for guidance to see if that's something you guys would

467
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:33,910
be interested in bringing a more detailed plan forward on for a vote.

468
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:38,030
so this is not approving you know, the plan. This is just saying it's enough of a of a
Good plan for you guys to see a more detailed

469
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:47,950
plan in the future. So what we discussed is essentially using the go roads fund,
Reallocating them particularly to malabar.

470
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:56,390
and the reason being, I think we know there's parts of malabar that need to be fixed.

471
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:01,790
and if you go down malabar and you see the patches and everything else,
And we saw some photos that were released to the public this week,

472
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:09,070
where one of our police officers has a has a four foot lathe and a hole in malabar.

473
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:15,750
we're talking about serious issues with critical infrastructure. And all the other
Arteries that we have in the city are dependent on the critical infrastructure.

474
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:25,010
so that needs to be a major priority. And unfortunately,
Critical infrastructure is also incredibly expensive.

475
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:30,410
so what kind of the 10,000 yard plan would be is step one fix what needs to be fixed?

476
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:36,970
step two with the remaining money, widen malabar,
And then step three would be to for us to come up with a comprehensive plan of how we

477
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:44,450
would like to conduct road maintenance as a city moving forward once the go road money is
Out.

478
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:50,810
in other words, once we don't have go roads money anymore,
Well, they're still going to be roads that need to be repaved, neighborhood roads that

479
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:56,570
need to be repaved in the future. So coming up with a comprehensive plan,
Whether it be to set some money aside or something every year that would then go into like

480
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:05,170
repaving these little roads, how we're going to decide which one needs needs the most.

481
00:58:09,490 --> 00:58:09,490
so that's the 10,000 yard image of 10,000 mile image of the plan's concept.

482
00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:16,890
and so if you guys are okay with that and give me guidance on that,
Then we will move forward with coming up with a more detailed plan in that area.

483
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:25,230
you mentioned malabar road and I'm so just a little bit of history here.

484
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:31,990
malabar road on the east side we we received from the county.

485
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:38,430
I wasn't on council when that occurred. Just for the record,
I, I didn't think that was a good idea,

486
00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:45,350
but nonetheless it's now city. Are you referring to that eastern part that I'm referring
To,

487
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:52,870
where there may be a deep pocket of adjusting some of that.

488
00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:59,590
it could be a full reclamation type setup. Are you referring to that section of malabar
Road?

489
00:59:06,350 --> 00:59:06,350
yes, mayor. And unfortunately, like you said,
It's it wasn't our fault, but we've got some problems in that area that I think really

490
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:13,790
need to be addressed. I think it's kind of our duty at this point. Copy that.

491
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:17,830
so I just wanted to get the geographical area and the the depth of what you were referring
To?

492
00:59:23,170 --> 00:59:23,170
yeah. I think sooner or later we're going to have to address that.

493
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:27,450
on on a on a real note, I thought that we should have kept those projects that we were
Going on because it's affecting a lot some of the residents that have been

494
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:37,250
waiting for that. But yes, I'm willing to hear what other alternatives you know,
Staff can come up with for that.

495
00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:47,730
councilman hammond. I am willing to hear what staff can come up with,
But I'm going to be honest.

496
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:55,450
everybody that voted for go roads and everybody that needs a road,
I think should have one.

497
01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:08,250
I do believe we have done a lot of roads that didn't need to be done. And I also want to say we haven't prioritized those roads in the way that I think we
Should have.

498
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:16,010
so I am all for doing an assessment on the roads that need to be done thus far,
And finding the ones that don't need to be done if possible.

499
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:27,670
also I would say we just approved 1.3 for road maintenance and malabar sounds like road
Maintenance.

500
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:37,070
so I think I think we, you know, everybody on this dais knows we have an issue at malabar
And emerson,

501
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:43,870
and we just approved 1.3. So I would I would I would love to hear what staff can come up
With and move forward on that.

502
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:53,990
but I am being vocal. I think if somebody's paid to have their roads done,
It should be done.

503
01:00:59,950 --> 01:00:59,950
and but I think we we have a lot of smart people here.

504
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:04,390
we have a, we have an amazing city manager, and I think we can come up with,
With a strategy here to,

505
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:11,870
to make things happen. Thank you. And I'm, I'm in agreement with everything you said
There.

506
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:21,050
because and I mentioned it at the last meeting. Folks voted for this, and in voting for this,
They're expecting their roads to be paved.

507
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:31,570
so that that was a critical argument that you brought up. But I also wanted to shed light into the item that councilman langevin was talking about,
1.3 million.

508
01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:41,010
1.3 million is not even going to scratch the surface of the depth of that problem.

509
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:46,490
if if I'm understanding the the issue correctly,
We're talking about pipes underneath and the whole nine.

510
01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:57,370
so that that's that's going to take a huge amount. And I don't even think the 9 million is going to be able to suffice that.

511
01:02:01,770 --> 01:02:05,330
so those are my thoughts. But yeah I'm willing to to listen. Councilman, you said exactly what I was going to talk on.

512
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:11,410
and that's why I'm looking at staff over here. It's not even a roads problem. If it's my if my recollection is correct from back in 2018 when I spoke with the then
Public works director.

513
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:24,590
it's a pipes problem like on that, on that strip. That's what's causing everything going topsy turvy.

514
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:27,870
it's a pipes problem. That's that's yeah. So so it's it's much to your point.

515
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:35,870
it's going to be a big task to take on, but I'm open to suggestions.

516
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:41,430
I'm open to ideas. But that's that malabar road is going to be a big one.

517
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:46,230
deputy mayor, thank you. Comments on. Yeah, I just I mean,
I love the creative thinking, right?

518
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:53,870
I think that's what this job is going to require is for us to get creative. We have some major challenges ahead of us. You know,
I think the spirit of the, you know,

519
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:59,190
the go paving program was to repave all the residential streets throughout palm bay.

520
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:08,830
is there a loophole to use that money elsewhere? I think there is. I don't think the money could be used for pipes,
Though.

521
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:15,310
I think it has to be used for for actually paving paving projects. I know there's a lot of heartburn about the vote that took place at the last meeting.

522
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:20,040
I have a lot of confidence in my ability as a contractor and my experience,
And I think I think it's,

523
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:25,880
you know, it's challenging for sometimes for people to trust the process. But I do this
For a living every single day, and I stretch dollars to get projects completed.

524
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:33,480
and I think it's a good thing to challenge contractors to make them revisit bid
Opportunities.

525
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:39,280
I think I'm pretty confident that we'll we'll see that project come back at a reduced at a
Reduced rate.

526
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:45,560
I've also been working with staff and staff's been doing a phenomenal job you know,
Exploring some of the ideas that I've had,

527
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,960
exploring portable asphalt plants and palm bay south part of the county. There is no asphalt plants down here, and we've been paving subdivisions streets for for
God knows how long.

528
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,200
and the closest plant right now is like north brevard county. So that is a tremendous trucking cost that we're paying everybody's paying to get to get
Asphalt down in this area,

529
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:13,980
not to mention palm bay sitting on several hundred thousand tons of milled asphalt that
Could be reused to recycle into new paving projects.

530
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:25,540
so, you know, palm bay owns land. We own land in the compound. There's potential opportunities for public private partnerships. P3 asphalt plant.

531
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:31,300
and, you know, the fact of the matter is the paving program is broken.

532
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:39,580
the money is going to run out. People's roads aren't going to get paved. So stop the process now. Regroup. Stretch those dollars as far as we possibly can go.

533
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:50,100
or let's just keep spending $4 million over budget on every project that comes in front of
Us. I don't I don't like that idea. I like my idea better,
And I'm glad council voted on it at the last meeting.

534
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:55,380
and I think we have to trust the process. We have a great new public works director,
Phenomenal city manager,

535
01:05:00,740 --> 01:05:00,740
great staff that works in every single department,
And I think we have to trust the process and let these people do their job.

536
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,980
and let us come back and surprise the residents. You know, let us let us surprise you. I feel confident in that. So with that being said,
I again,

537
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:17,240
I like the creativity from councilman, but I'm going to have to be on the side of the
Money stays with the residential streets and not malabar road.

538
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:26,680
thank you. Does that conclude your. No. So I just want to clarify too,
That you know, like I said,

539
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:33,520
I've already been in and works with staff, so I crossed my t's and dotted my eyes as far
As the piping and stuff like that.

540
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:40,040
there were not. I mean, we could ask again to verify,
But I've asked miss smith and we she said we're good on the legal side for that,

541
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,800
but I don't want to put words in her mouth here. So she'd like to to jump in on that. But you know, I obviously brought this after talking to the city manager,
The city attorney,

542
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:56,280
etcetera, etcetera. So you know, in reference to whether or not we should continue to pave
Every road we're a we don't

543
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:06,280
have the money to do it. We're going to run out of money. Every other city is able to pave
Its own side roads,

544
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:11,180
and they do it through a process where the city sets money aside from its general fund.

545
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:16,220
the actual verbiage, regardless of what the residents may have intended,
The actual verbiage does allow us to use the money on malabar road.

546
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:23,700
the verbiage of the of the voted for referendum didn't specifically say we're going to
Pave only side roads.

547
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:34,300
it was kind of vague and mentioned road maintenance. And later on, you know, it was determined that they're going to pave every side road. But
If you can't get your main arteries,

548
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:41,140
if you can't get an ambulance down this, what does it matter if your side roads are paved?

549
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:45,460
I mean, I understand we want in a perfect world,
This would be fixed and your side roads would be paved. That would be great.

550
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:50,660
but as a council, we have to work with what we have,
With the money that we have and with the issues that are presented before us.

551
01:06:57,820 --> 01:06:57,820
and, you know, sometimes we got to make a bad decision or a worse decision.

552
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:02,500
and in my opinion, for the safety of the residents and for the overall general good of the
City,

553
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:07,300
this is far more important than a side road getting paved,
Quite frankly.

554
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:11,440
so anyways, that concludes my comment I need.

555
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,640
I think consensus though, one way or the other. Yeah, I think I'm open. I just know it's a high.

556
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:24,960
it's a tall task. Yeah. Everyone gave that that,
You know, ideology that.

557
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,360
yeah. We we're willing to. Look at what what comes before us. But we're not we're not on board as of yet. But we're willing.

558
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:38,800
to look at even deputy mayor said he's encouraging your creativity.

559
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,080
right. But we we just not all there. Yet until we see what. Okay, so so we got consensus to bring a plan back in the future okay.

560
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:50,760
thank you very much. Does that conclude your reports?

561
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:55,400
councilman hammer, everything that I need to talk about,
I talked about already.

562
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:00,680
thank you. Thank you everybody. Councilman. Johnson. Yes,
Ma'am.

563
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:04,920
I'll be brief, but I'll be intentional. Two weeks ago,
I told you all about being health.

564
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:10,100
we went there for a week. Retreat. Today got the news that the tumor in my wife's left
Breast is gone.

565
01:08:17,060 --> 01:08:17,060
it's not there. It's it's. Yeah. I just had to share the news with everybody.

566
01:08:22,060 --> 01:08:22,060
what's up man? See? Thank you sir. So god is good.

567
01:08:26,420 --> 01:08:29,100
god is good. You know, I'm on this platform. I'm. Thank you. Imma shout his name. Imma let people know that jesus christ is lord and that he
Saved my wife.

568
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:36,780
he saved our marriage. He saved our children. And I'm grateful. So appreciate the prayer. Some of y'all knew what we were going through
And I appreciate everybody just,

569
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:42,300
you know, keeping us in your hearts and minds and let's keep working.

570
01:08:46,420 --> 01:08:46,420
so thank y'all. That's a great report man. Thank you.

571
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:54,220
that's a great report. God bless you and your family,
Sir. Deputy mayor the report mayor. So gentlemen,
I, I do have one item I want us to consider.

572
01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:01,380
as as most of you know, we have as collectively as a city,
As a council.

573
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:07,720
in the past, we have stood with israel. When that horrific day of october 7th happened.

574
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:15,880
last year was the first anniversary of of october 7th,
The devastation of the horrific acts of terrorism that they

575
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:25,720
encountered and council approved for the israeli flag to fly right underneath the american
Flag as

576
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,560
a as a demonstration that we still stand with israel. I'd like to bring that back for this year, for us to show our solidarity with israel and
Fly the flag again in on october

577
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:49,400
7th. I still have an israeli flag in, in in my office.

578
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:55,080
and I'd like to get council's consensus to see if we can make that happen again.

579
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:00,920
this year, as solidarity that we do stand with israel.

580
01:10:05,420 --> 01:10:05,420
so I'll start with councilman langevin. Mayor.

581
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:09,900
you know, it was when we were discussing the renaming fred poppy park.

582
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:16,780
some residents wanted to name it heritage park and fly flags down the street of every
Other country.

583
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:23,180
and I said, in that night or on that night in the council that I would never support
Flying a foreign country's flag on

584
01:10:32,820 --> 01:10:35,860
behalf of an american government, I support israel. What happened that day was atrocious and terrible,
But we're a united states government facility.

585
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:44,940
at the end of the day, I don't hold any difference. Flying a foreign flag, whether it's an ally or not.

586
01:10:47,980 --> 01:10:47,980
an ally. I think only american flags should be flown on american government buildings.

587
01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:53,420
thank you. Councilman hammer. I've always. I've always shown my support for israel.

588
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:01,140
and right now I am going to be in support of only flying an american flag on ours.

589
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,960
I'm not saying we're not flying our flag, but only ours. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Gentlemen. Yeah. I was the only one who was in nay last time.

590
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:18,800
but I'm still a nay mayor, so thank you. So I,
I don't have consensus.

591
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:23,960
deputy mayor. I'm not a swing vote, mayor. How do I want to put this?

592
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:33,360
I don't think city politics should be getting involved in and world world discussions.

593
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,160
well, you have 145,000 residents. I think if you asked every one of them,
It would be a 50 over 50 draw.

594
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,000
and and with that, you know, I serve the community. And I just don't feel like the city of palm bay should be getting involved in and and
Worldly events.

595
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:54,840
so I'd be against it. Understood. Well, at least I got one year out of it.

596
01:11:59,800 --> 01:11:59,800
where we stand in solidarity with israel and I'm proud of that.

597
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:03,820
so thank you. That concludes my reports. Mr. Morton.

598
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:09,340
I've got just four brief items. Should be done by 9:00.

599
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:13,660
for transparency sake, for the public, just to make it easier,
I know we've got a lot of questions revolving around the eden project at bayside lakes.

600
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:24,340
I did ask staff to put up a website which is now live. It's just a sub page, but it just makes it easier to get to so you don't have to dig
Through pages of city websites and you can find it at palm bay.

601
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:31,500
florida.gov/eden. And that's going to be updated weekly with the most current information
That we have on the project,

602
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:37,940
including future meeting dates, project schedules and all those things. Again,
Just trying to be more accessible since we know we have a lot of questions from our

603
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:44,380
community in regards to that development. We did meet again today with 65 north,
Who is a consultant of ours for internal fraud,

604
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:51,260
waste and abuse. We continue to work on that program to implement measures to continue to
Monitor and fix issues within the city that we know exist exists,

605
01:12:59,840 --> 01:12:59,840
and press our finger on the button of monitoring and making sure we don't have fraud,
Waste,

606
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:04,720
and abuse in the city. On another note, I did put into effect effective a few days ago,
A soft hiring freeze and a soft salary increase freeze.

607
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:15,680
the hiring freeze is just so we can evaluate every position before it gets rehired. And
That's part of the mandate we have. And looking into our city and how our money is being

608
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:22,760
spent and to make sure we're right sized and that the positions serve the needs of the
Organization. And then additionally, on the salary freeze what that really entails is

609
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:31,600
outside of the budget season, we'll consider merit raises annually instead of the current
Practice of sort of budgeting or not budgeting year round. Again, just more of a budgetary

610
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:38,880
measure and a accountability measure to make sure we are being very transparent and also
Approaching that appropriately.

611
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:46,480
and then lastly, we're having some significant challenges. I know the community is
Probably experiencing it now with our broadcasts of the council meeting.

612
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,200
they are recording and are posted after the fact. There should be clarity, but there is issues with the live stream recording audio.

613
01:14:00,580 --> 01:14:00,580
and so we did authorize today an emergency purchase to get the updated equipment.

614
01:14:05,380 --> 01:14:07,980
it was a priority request from it in this year's budget. We did I did waive it off. I was trying to put $100,000 other places that we desperately
Need it,

615
01:14:12,860 --> 01:14:12,860
but apparently we can't wait another year. So as soon as as possible,
We will have that new system in and hopefully resolve the closed captioning and the audio

616
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:21,540
streaming issues. But in the meantime, the meetings are still going to be posted on our
Web page.

617
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:26,780
it'll just probably be for great clarity. It might just be after the fact,
Unfortunately.

618
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:30,980
and again, we'll get that in and installed as soon as possible. That's all I have.

619
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:35,660
thank you. Thank you. Before I go to madam smith,
Terry, since council's vote, will the

620
01:14:45,580 --> 01:14:45,580
public comment aspect be streamed next? Next meeting?

621
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:50,900
yes it will. Yes yes. Oh yes. Yes. So it'll be on full.

622
01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:58,230
we will have the audio back to swagit. So even if we're having trouble with the live
Stream,

623
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:06,710
it will be out there recorded and live streamed. But even if we're having trouble with the live stream,
It will be on the recording after the fact as well.

624
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:11,110
okay. And, mr. Morton, will these mics be remote mics or will they be wired?

625
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:16,790
sean harris, do you know that on the specs, on the on the pickup,
Is it going to be remote or wired?

626
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:23,710
are they existing mics? Do we know yet? Wireless. Don't know yet, but I think they're existing just like they have right now.

627
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:27,750
right. We're just going to order the soundboard and broadcasting equipment. There was no
Mic replacement.

628
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:32,310
okay. Okay. No mic replacement for that either.

629
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:37,910
so I don't know what we're going to get. So I,
I signed on my authority to expedite this because it needed to get done.

630
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:44,550
and we got to get this in place because again we're having trouble and it's not great. And
I apologize to the community for that.

631
01:15:50,510 --> 01:15:54,450
and I signed at the level it just was at the level of my authority to sign assign. If we have a consensus or a request from council,
We can make sure if their wireless mics or not and that mic and it would have to come back

632
01:16:01,010 --> 01:16:01,010
no problem bringing it back. But at least we got the main system moving and getting
Installed.

633
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:05,410
so if council would like us to bring back a quick examination of wireless mics and a
Replacement,

634
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:10,650
I'd be happy to do that. Just give me some direction for that tonight. Well,
I don't know.

635
01:16:15,290 --> 01:16:15,290
I think if we're investing in in audio and video,
We should do it wisely.

636
01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:23,250
I'm not sure, you know. Yes, sir. If I could just if I if you may mayor.

637
01:16:27,930 --> 01:16:27,930
so the microphone system and speakers were just recently replaced.

638
01:16:32,050 --> 01:16:32,050
so the main core of the system which is goes into the feed,
Which is the camera system here,

639
01:16:37,890 --> 01:16:37,890
as well as the rack that's actually behind the scenes here doing all the recording.

640
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:43,370
that is the system that needs to be replaced,
Including all the cameras in the council chambers,

641
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:48,410
the the speakers and all the microphones that you see today,
Including the one on the podium here,

642
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:57,710
were all just recently replaced. So we're talking about two separate things. Even though it ties in together. They're two separate type upgrades.

643
01:17:01,390 --> 01:17:05,270
so it'll just enhance these microphones. Correct. So we're all these mics gather the information and goes in.

644
01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:08,190
that system is good. It's just when the handoff happens for the live stream,
That entire system needs to be replaced,

645
01:17:14,670 --> 01:17:17,830
which has been part of the request for several years. Copy that. Yes, sir. Does that also include the the video?

646
01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:22,350
that's that's correct. So all of the cameras will be replaced in that,
In that set up, as well as the equipment that runs all of the video recording in the

647
01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:32,590
behind the scenes. Thank you. I appreciate it. Madam smith. Your reports. Oh, as you were, mr.

648
01:17:37,550 --> 01:17:37,550
councilman ham. So when I did my when I did my meeting last,
Last or two thursdays ago, is there any kind of

649
01:17:47,470 --> 01:17:47,470
option to where we can do that via zoom or while we're updating this,
Because I was basically on the phone and I could hear everything going on

650
01:17:57,450 --> 01:18:00,410
in the background, I could barely hear what was going on. And when I'm watching the council meeting, it's like literally a minute and a half behind.

651
01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:05,370
so is there something we can do? I'm not I'm not encouraging doing it remotely because,
You know,

652
01:18:11,290 --> 01:18:11,290
it's not something that I, I, I like to do, but it was extremely hard that that would
Require quite a bit of manpower to make that happen.

653
01:18:20,170 --> 01:18:23,770
is what you're saying in terms of how do you navigate and monitor that? There's always going to be a delay, a slight delay,
Because it has to go through the system here and then gets closed,

654
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:31,810
caption attached to it and then goes to the web. So there's always going to be some type of compression that actually happens with that
Before it gets out.

655
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:39,530
so there is always going to be a slight delay. It won't be five minutes or anything, but there's at least a minute or two minutes delay.

656
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:43,690
yes, I understand that. Is there a way to even even just get audio at at a better rate
Other than,

657
01:18:50,710 --> 01:18:52,910
you know, turning on the telephone and listening. So that would be part of the evaluation of the new system.

658
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:59,030
remember, the system that we currently have is a much older technology. So with a newer system, you always have a little bit more compression in terms of the data
That's going through.

659
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:06,590
packages are smaller and those type of things. So I mean there's a lot more that can get as a part of a new technology process,
Which would evaluate as we go forward and whatever tweaks that's necessary to make it even

660
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:15,950
faster and more seamless, more, more live. It would be amazing if there was some kind of
You know,

661
01:19:21,710 --> 01:19:21,710
some kind of link. I can log in to hear the audio that's coming through as of right now.

662
01:19:26,150 --> 01:19:26,150
just, just, you know, just some kind of channel to log into.

663
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,190
we're hoping that the new system would accommodate that. Thank you. So is it 4k? The cameras will be 4k.

664
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:38,030
yes. Okay. Does that conclude your questions,
Madam smith?

665
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:42,310
your reports? No reports, sir. This meeting is adjourned.