1
00:01:30,510 --> 00:01:37,450
Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for coming. I'd like to call to order the meeting of the

2
00:01:37,450 --> 00:01:43,050
code enforcement board for May 15, 2025. Carla, could we please call the roll.

3
00:01:45,090 --> 00:01:47,050
Mr. Klein. Mr. Pelosi.

4
00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:48,850
Here. Mr. Saba.

5
00:01:49,390 --> 00:01:50,950
Here. Mr. McGowan.

6
00:01:51,250 --> 00:01:53,790
Here. Mr. Lamoyam. Mr. Brooker.

7
00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:55,030
Here. Mr. Fried.

8
00:01:55,210 --> 00:01:55,510
Here.

9
00:01:58,570 --> 00:01:58,730
Okay.

10
00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:01,530
Good I miss. Mr. Cohen. Mr. Roya.

11
00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:02,170
Here.

12
00:02:02,170 --> 00:02:07,470
Okay. All of us? Good? I used to that. Please rise to the pledge.

13
00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:10,230
Please rise to the pledge.

14
00:02:10,990 --> 00:02:13,670
Please rise to the pledge.

15
00:02:14,370 --> 00:02:18,030
Please rise to the pledge.

16
00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:23,470
Okay, just

17
00:02:27,790 --> 00:02:29,490
a quick few comments.

18
00:02:31,230 --> 00:02:34,630
One of my greatest pleasures is to have John Cohen back with us.

19
00:02:34,630 --> 00:02:36,610
I feel our prayers were answered.

20
00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:43,290
I know it's been a long road for you, John, but we missed you and we're so happy they're safe and well with us today.

21
00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:47,050
On a personal note, I want to apologize again to Carla.

22
00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:57,490
I've never done such a thing, Carla, and I'm grateful to you for your understanding as well as your support, your treasure to the board and anyone who knows you.

23
00:02:57,490 --> 00:03:10,630
I want to congratulate Chris on a wonderful location and in addition to his family and we wish him continue good good health and success and happiness and peace and I want to welcome Officer Martinez to our code family

24
00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:21,730
He's not here. I don't dice that just looked. Okay. Well, he's still welcome and with that I'd also just like to do one quick housekeeping manner

25
00:03:21,730 --> 00:03:30,090
I received the call this morning from Mr. Crowley and I promised him that we would alter the agenda and

26
00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:32,650
hear his case first because he has another commitment.

27
00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:41,730
With that, may I please have a motion to approve the agenda as?

28
00:03:48,790 --> 00:03:57,630
We need a motion to amend the agenda and move case 25151, one via sunny, property owner

29
00:03:57,630 --> 00:03:58,410
sunny sessor.

30
00:03:58,610 --> 00:04:01,550
Item number E to item to before item number E.

31
00:04:02,650 --> 00:04:03,430
So moved.

32
00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:04,150
Good.

33
00:04:04,150 --> 00:04:04,430
Thank you.

34
00:04:04,930 --> 00:04:05,570
Thank you.

35
00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:13,890
Can we have a motion to approve the minutes?

36
00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:15,350
I moved to.

37
00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:17,370
So move a second.

38
00:04:17,870 --> 00:04:18,330
All in favor.

39
00:04:19,010 --> 00:04:19,810
Any opposed?

40
00:04:20,530 --> 00:04:23,090
Carla, the administration of the oath to the town staff, please.

41
00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:29,430
Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you about to give is the truth?

42
00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:31,450
The whole truth and nothing but the truth or help you got?

43
00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:32,750
Okay.

44
00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:35,110
Moving along rapidly.

45
00:04:35,550 --> 00:04:36,170
Code statistics?

46
00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:39,340
Office are more ready.

47
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,440
Good to see you, sir.

48
00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:44,300
You the only one who says that to me.

49
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:56,680
Well, today's codenforcements statistics for May 15th, 2025, 1,107 year to date codenforce

50
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,280
cases 262.

51
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:07,620
Good cases have been initiated since our last board hearing in April. Of those 88 cases were officer-generated

52
00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:18,000
and 174 were received from other sources. Code enforcement inspections. We have done 5,288 inspections

53
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:25,820
a year to date of the 24 cases that were originally set to appear at our hearing today.

54
00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:29,980
14

55
00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:36,420
and for fine consideration cases with zero fine reduction and zero all business.

56
00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,200
Thank you, sir. Any questions for the town?

57
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,560
Seeing none, Carla, could we please do the financial report?

58
00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:51,640
Financial report for the Goldenforcement Board hearing of May 15, 2025. Currently, there are two cases

59
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:59,580
with non-dale running fines, totaling $2,175. We currently have two cases with daily running

60
00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:07,040
minds totaling $26,000 with a total of money's owed to the town of $28,175.

61
00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:11,780
Leans have been placed for appropriate total of money's collected for the month of April,

62
00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:20,260
a $17,525 and total of money's collected year to date so far is $48,600.

63
00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:22,400
Okay.

64
00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:23,500
Thank you, Carla.

65
00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:26,780
That takes us to public hearings.

66
00:06:26,780 --> 00:06:30,520
And, Mr. Crowley, we welcome you.

67
00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:36,410
It's good to see you again,

68
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:38,560
sir.

69
00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,800
Before you start, is there any ex-party other than my quick conversation with Mr. Crowley this morning,

70
00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:49,700
in which he expressed desire to be heard earlier because he has another commitment?

71
00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:52,160
I haven't talked to anyone else.

72
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,500
Okay.

73
00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:55,880
Mr. Crowley, you're swaying from the testimony about to give.

74
00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,080
Is it true the whole truth and nothing about the truth to help you guys?

75
00:06:58,100 --> 00:06:58,460
I do.

76
00:06:58,540 --> 00:06:59,460
Please state your name for the record.

77
00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:00,540
Thank you.

78
00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:09,860
My name is Jamie Crowley. I'm Council for Sunny Sessa and we were hired last month after the notice of violation was issued for the condition of a C-wall

79
00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:14,100
I'm here with Matt Butler from Isaminger and Stubbs Coastal Engineers

80
00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:19,880
Yeah, you're sure however you'd like to go

81
00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,360
Sorry

82
00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:25,620
We're moving along too rapidly. You're excited to hear me talk

83
00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:32,900
Case number 25 dash 1-5-1 property. I just want to be a sunny owner and sunny sensor.

84
00:07:37,380 --> 00:07:41,100
Okay, any activity other than what I have? No.

85
00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,420
Continue with case number 25-1-5-1-3rd and cases of citizen complaint.

86
00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,340
Type of the warning is a single family homestead, which I originally received the complaint via email

87
00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:55,080
on January 31st, 2025, and is affected the same day.

88
00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:00,860
The violation was found section 62-77 of the town code ordinance that states all

89
00:08:00,860 --> 00:08:05,740
Volkets and C walls within the town should be maintained in good conditions. I did take pictures

90
00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:13,400
And I would like to put them in the record. The notice of violation was received on April 7th and would like to enter the notice into the record as well

91
00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,720
As today there is no compliance

92
00:08:18,820 --> 00:08:20,560
That's the C wall up there

93
00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,400
You can see the damage there, that's not in good conditions.

94
00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,640
They did apply for a permit, but still on review due to a multi-stage permit process.

95
00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,500
The town recommends finding of non-compliance asses of administrative fee in the amount

96
00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:42,380
of $150 to be paid within 30 days of the order and to come into compliance by June 23,

97
00:08:42,380 --> 00:08:48,180
or this case where we turn for cut, fine consideration at the June 26th, 25-code board hearing.

98
00:08:50,740 --> 00:08:58,840
Okay. Again, apologies. Both to Officer Faleo and to my colleagues. We were moving ahead.

99
00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,660
Two quickly. There's any questions for the town?

100
00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,920
Scott, you said you inspected it on January 31st.

101
00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,120
When was it posted and what was your interaction with them?

102
00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,880
I left the first time was a morning letter.

103
00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:18,860
I gave them a morning letter and told them that they were the both head and everything.

104
00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:20,880
They did it more time.

105
00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,980
I gave them like two months or so.

106
00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,260
And they still because it's a multi stage process.

107
00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,620
They still need more time for that.

108
00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:28,920
Thank you.

109
00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,340
Any other questions?

110
00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:33,700
Not to go nobody.

111
00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:36,660
Okay, thank you Mr. Crowley now.

112
00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:40,280
Thank you and I'm sorry for jumping ahead of staff.

113
00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:42,400
I'm Jamie Crowley for the record.

114
00:09:42,980 --> 00:09:47,140
So we were hired last month and they brought on Matt Butler

115
00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:48,480
from Isominger and Stubs.

116
00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:51,760
I'm pleased to tell you we do have the permit from DEAP,

117
00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,400
so we've been pushing as hard as we can to get the authority

118
00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,520
from the state to do this work.

119
00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:58,940
I don't know if that's me feeding Doug.

120
00:09:58,940 --> 00:09:59,980
Um, and...

121
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:29,980
And so now what we've got to do, we looked at their information that they had compiled. We need to update the survey with some topo information which is going to take the survey or some time. Then we have to file for a town permit and then we have to actually build the new C-wall. So we are moving this as fast as we can. I can tell you we're not going to be complete by June. So I would ask for more time so that I don't have to come back here. And that has said that it's going to be a four to five month process from the time we, from now until the time that the

122
00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:35,800
is complete. So I leave it to you if you want me to come back and update you between now and then,

123
00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:40,560
but I would think by October we should have this complete and if we are not, I will come back and

124
00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:47,960
October and explain why, but I'm confident we'll have it done by then. Okay, Mr. Cron. What length is

125
00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,020
the sea wall please? It is. Matthew have that information for me.

126
00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:58,340
Just stay your name for the day.

127
00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,840
Good afternoon. Matthew Butler with eyes and major in steps engineering.

128
00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:08,220
Do you swear or firm that the test one you have to give is the truth the whole truth?

129
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,620
Nothing but the truth to help you got.

130
00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:16,740
Matthew Butler, professional engineer with eyes and major in steps engineering here on behalf of

131
00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:22,340
the C-wall is 179 linear feet.

132
00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,440
And what material is it going to be built of?

133
00:11:28,540 --> 00:11:31,620
So the existing wall is what they call a gravity wall.

134
00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:38,120
It's very typical of an older C wall.

135
00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:42,800
What typically gets done with this type of C wall is what we call an overpore.

136
00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:49,280
So they're going to dial in steel reinforcing into the existing C wall.

137
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:55,140
and then they will encapsulate that C-wall with concrete and reinforcing steel on the inside

138
00:11:55,140 --> 00:12:01,040
on the waterward side above and on the landlord side.

139
00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,700
And do you believe you can complete all the tasks by did you say October?

140
00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:11,320
We're hoping we're hoping October yes sir. So we have we have to do the design in our office

141
00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,260
and then we have to send it out to bid for a couple of contractors. All that takes probably

142
00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:20,900
a month or a month and a half, and then we have to go through the town process, which I believe

143
00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:25,520
takes somewhere probably on the range of six to eight weeks to get a building permit, then

144
00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,940
we have to have the contractor mobilize, and then a couple of months to have them do the

145
00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:31,760
actual construction.

146
00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:34,380
Thank you.

147
00:12:34,860 --> 00:12:39,360
Okay, Chris, is it a replacement or a repair that you're doing?

148
00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:52,280
It's an over-poor, so we are going to basically leave what's there and encapsulate it on all sides front top and the landlord side.

149
00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,300
What are our side top and landlord side?

150
00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:02,420
On the landlord side, I couldn't tell from the photos, is there leakage into causing any type of erosion in the bike trail there or not?

151
00:13:02,420 --> 00:13:09,040
So there it appears to be that the dirt on the landlord side has leaked through in certain

152
00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:09,580
spots.

153
00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:16,020
When you look at it from the water outside, there's no real apparent showing or areas that

154
00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:19,280
appear where sand has deposited and come through the wall.

155
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:26,060
But there does appear to be a slight depression between the dirt and the bike trail.

156
00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:30,000
I believe the owner or somebody

157
00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:33,480
down or hired somebody to put up some

158
00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,860
like orange-phasicking plastic fence.

159
00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,900
You can talk about that.

160
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,240
So my question is, with that a full permit

161
00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,100
is there anything you can do

162
00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:44,940
to prevent any type of damage

163
00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,280
to the landlord side?

164
00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:48,420
In other words, the bike trail

165
00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:50,280
or any hazard, if there were, you know,

166
00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,260
obviously we're getting into storm season

167
00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:53,520
and wash out.

168
00:13:53,520 --> 00:14:11,080
So, I sent this to Paul Brazil and Patricia today and let them know that we have received the permit and I will reach out to them to see what if anything we can do from a town permitting perspective, you know, to actually make sure that there's no further erosion.

169
00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:22,280
Would you agree? I mean obviously you're going to need time and I think October is ambitious. Would you agree to the extent necessary that you would ensure to some degree that you can

170
00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:33,500
Within the confines of the permitting process that no damage to the by trail or landward side take place can you do that or I can assure you that we'll do everything we can to make sure that does not happen

171
00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:36,620
So I will set up a meeting with public works

172
00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:39,020
and I will see what we can do working with them

173
00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:40,640
to make sure that nothing happens there.

174
00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:42,600
Obviously, we don't want anyone to get heard there.

175
00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,880
We did get the fence up and that was something

176
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,360
that staff asked us to do just to get rid of that hazard.

177
00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,080
So no one drove the bike off of the...

178
00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,020
I just worry about somebody walking on the bike trail

179
00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:52,980
to show you what that's happened.

180
00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,080
I mean, that's not supposed to happen,

181
00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,100
but just in terms of what I saw there.

182
00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,980
Last question is, is October really realistic?

183
00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:09,540
You know, I'm trying not to be obnoxious, I think that that's achievable, but if you want to give us a little cushion, I would appreciate that.

184
00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:13,020
With the understanding that we will address any safety concerns.

185
00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:19,540
As long as you all are addressing me, my biggest concern is obviously I don't like see anyone drag back in just to report.

186
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,080
It's taken longer than we thought.

187
00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:29,500
So I tend to build in more of a cushion, but also in this instance, a little bit concerned because of the public access that everything is done to make sure that it doesn't

188
00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:34,120
in the interim, create a hazard, if that can be remediated, do something to go.

189
00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:39,360
Well, why don't we, if, if, and again, this is your pleasure, November might be a good

190
00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,540
time to come and report before season starts in earnest, and so we'll do everything we can to

191
00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:45,360
beat that deadline.

192
00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:49,220
And I promise I'll work with staff to try to see what we're going to need to show them.

193
00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:50,020
Okay.

194
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,180
Mr. McGowan.

195
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,000
Yes.

196
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,340
Matthew or Jamie, is there any kind of an engineer, an engineering report that's required

197
00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:04,000
of evaluation that's required before you do this over port to, you know, to make sure that

198
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,400
the existing structure is going to be able to, you know, have integrity once, once that process

199
00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:11,980
is completed.

200
00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,780
Well, our office will analyze the, what's there, and we pretty much have already, and it's

201
00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:28,840
okay, it's, it, it doesn't need to be super duper structurally strong, it's just an old concrete

202
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:35,400
and block wall, adding the way that this type of C wall is with it being a gravity wall,

203
00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:42,900
basically it's so wide at the base and it's so massive that it resists the overturning forces

204
00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:51,040
from the soil. So what's there is solid enough to use and to do the over-pour.

205
00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,520
Okay, so when you say a gravity wall, you're talking about that the base of this is very,

206
00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,500
why it literally looks. It's on top of the lake bed, type of thing is across to being way down,

207
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:09,640
deep into it. Correct. So there's natural limestone rock in this location. That's very shallow.

208
00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:14,700
Just below the surface of the sand. Okay. Good. It gets poured onto that. So that's what was originally

209
00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:19,900
done for the sea wall that's there. It was originally poured down to the natural limestone rock.

210
00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:26,020
Well, unfortunately, you've had my new cracks that have let a little bit of sand come through.

211
00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:26,820
All right.

212
00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:27,660
Thank you.

213
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:28,360
Okay.

214
00:17:29,020 --> 00:17:31,220
My apologies and advance, because this is not working.

215
00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:33,160
I'm just looking around for being whites.

216
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:33,840
Mr. Fried.

217
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,100
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

218
00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:35,880
Yeah.

219
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,620
Yeah, I'm in on.

220
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,780
Of course, there's a fairly complicated situation we have here.

221
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,520
I suppose.

222
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:50,400
I think that we would hope to be able to avoid getting into the season with whatever needs

223
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,360
to be done.

224
00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:58,220
So in terms of granting you more time, I would certainly, personally, not have a problem

225
00:17:58,220 --> 00:17:58,800
with that.

226
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:05,520
But I would nevertheless think that it might be very helpful if you could come back in a

227
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,140
couple of months.

228
00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:21,600
This is my feeling and just give us an update on where we're at in terms of permitting any new issues with regard to the work that you're actually going to be doing to the wall, maybe there's some changes that are going to be happening.

229
00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,520
But at the end of the day, you need some time. That's clear.

230
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:35,240
Without putting, you know, under, under, under pressure and I kind of thing, I would say, you know, give you a lot of time.

231
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,480
really, but at the same time, I'd like to have you come back and give us an update as to

232
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,340
how things are progressing rather than just let it run you know until the end of that time.

233
00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:50,480
That's fair. How about August? We'll come back and we'll now hear August. May, that's June, July.

234
00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:56,100
August, that's three months? Yes, sir. Three months from this meeting? That would certainly be fine with me.

235
00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,240
How about the troubles of the ground? Miss somebody, do you have a question?

236
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,100
Well, I think it's already in. Okay. There are some more lights, Mr. Cohen.

237
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,920
Yes, no, I'm sorry, a question for the engineer, given a mild hurricane with the wool

238
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,500
survive.

239
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:19,810
Oh, that is an answer that unfortunately I can't, it's a question I cannot answer.

240
00:19:20,110 --> 00:19:23,570
That worries me more about somebody carrying through to, okay.

241
00:19:23,770 --> 00:19:30,010
Why don't we do this, Mr. Crowe, the consensus seems to be that you get more time, I'm not

242
00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:34,950
sure exactly how much time there seems to be a little discrepancy between Mr. Frieden, Mr.

243
00:19:36,170 --> 00:19:38,950
but maybe Chris, you would like to make a motion, we'll see where we go.

244
00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:44,130
And again, I would just suggest that perhaps a letter giving us some advice.

245
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:48,470
It's to what's going on as opposed to, you know, putting coming here, you know,

246
00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:51,410
you're obviously on top of this, you're going to work as diligent as you can.

247
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:57,110
It would be appropriate to me if you just send a letter to code by the August time meeting,

248
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,470
saying, this is where we are, this is where we are at.

249
00:19:59,470 --> 00:19:59,970
I'm in danger.

250
00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:09,660
We're not going to meet it, if you're not going to meet it, then you probably say maybe we should get back on the agenda before that time.

251
00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:14,260
But I don't think it's, to me, it's not necessary for you to come in and have to do this.

252
00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:20,700
We know where you are, but just to kind of let us know, November looks good.

253
00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:26,180
I'm in favor of November, so I'm going to make a motion that number one, with regard

254
00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:35,020
to case number C-E-25-151, via sunny, with regard to the C-wall, a finding of non-compliance

255
00:20:35,020 --> 00:20:42,620
and administrative cost in the amount of $150, a recommendation, or excuse me, that a compliance

256
00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:44,620
state shall be extended to our...

257
00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:54,500
I'm just a compliance state of November 17th or the case will return for a fine consideration

258
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,060
at the November 20th hearing.

259
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:04,460
So if I extend it to November 17th or the case will come before us for the fine consideration

260
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:10,440
and then November meeting that in the interim by our August meeting, which is what they follow.

261
00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:12,840
August 21st.

262
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,500
that owner before August 21st, you'll send us a letter

263
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,980
giving us an update and advising whether or not

264
00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:22,720
the November date of compliance appears to be realistic.

265
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:26,720
And if you feel that it does not, then you will schedule

266
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,720
a time to come back before the board

267
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,840
and give us an update and seek additional time if necessary.

268
00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:33,420
Okay, second.

269
00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,000
Good.

270
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:35,920
Motion's been made.

271
00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:36,280
Thank you.

272
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:37,020
Mr. Krita's question.

273
00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:37,340
Yes.

274
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,920
I would be opposed to the motion the way it's being read

275
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,440
because I understand that nobody wants to, well,

276
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,420
it's a group we don't want people that undo trouble,

277
00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:49,820
but at the same time, I don't think a letter

278
00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:51,840
quite suffices for the simple reason

279
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,900
that whatever's in the letter will receive it,

280
00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,780
but I think it might be useful to have an opportunity.

281
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,200
You can provide us a letter,

282
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,040
but it would be useful to have an opportunity

283
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,580
to discuss where you're at with the particular project in person.

284
00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:09,800
So, I mean, I'm thinking, you know,

285
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:20,120
much like you suggested, Mr. Crowley, if you were able to come back and just update us, that would be my preference, I would be opposed to the motion, the way it's dated.

286
00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:24,480
I tell you, but if you put me first on the agenda, again, I'll have no problem coming back.

287
00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:27,160
We have a motion and a second.

288
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:31,760
But I understand what Mr. Harris is asking, so it either has to pass.

289
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,320
Well, we're just going to get to that point.

290
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,020
It looks like our counter attorney wants to weigh in.

291
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,260
I was going to.

292
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:39,140
You're discussing.

293
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,100
Similar sentiments.

294
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,140
Yeah, once the motion's made in second and in discussion stays on.

295
00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:44,760
No longer the applicant.

296
00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:46,860
If it doesn't pass, we can go back to that.

297
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:47,660
Mr. One more year.

298
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,760
Green right arm.

299
00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:50,780
No.

300
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,060
Okay.

301
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,060
All right.

302
00:22:52,220 --> 00:22:52,480
Okay.

303
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:55,380
I may not belabor it.

304
00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:59,420
But isn't there something that we have experienced before,

305
00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:01,380
where let's say there is a motion as we have now.

306
00:23:01,540 --> 00:23:02,040
There's been a second.

307
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:05,280
But isn't there an opportunity for the board to discuss the motion

308
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,500
and rather than have it put to a vote?

309
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:17,880
We are having that discussion, you noticed I did not cut you off, just to clarify, I would never do that.

310
00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:22,660
The only point we were raising is there's no more discussion with the applicant after a second.

311
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,700
The discussion is just, you can't talk to him.

312
00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:25,940
Yeah.

313
00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:29,700
Everything I've said is growl, it's a men's city use.

314
00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:31,940
Okay.

315
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,280
Ladies and gentlemen, the motion has been made in second it, all in favor.

316
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Say aye.

317
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:38,560
Aye.

318
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:38,900
Aye.

319
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:39,500
Any opposed?

320
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:40,600
No.

321
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:41,860
Okay.

322
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:43,860
Motion passes.

323
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,580
Looks like seven, six to one.

324
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:47,900
Six one.

325
00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:50,000
Mr. Kelly, thank you for coming.

326
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:50,840
Thank you for.

327
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Thank you for accommodating me, Marty.

328
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,280
and we'll do everything in our power to make sure we get this done as quickly as possible.

329
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:57,600
Thank you.

330
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:58,100
Okay.

331
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:14,320
Moving along rapidly, that takes us to item A, C-E-K-C-E-24-1-0-333-332 South County Road.

332
00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:15,520
Office of Moriarty.

333
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:19,200
This is case 24-1033.

334
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,500
Excuse me.

335
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,800
Property address is 332 South County Road, Palm Beach, Florida.

336
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,180
The owner is 332 South County Road.

337
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,020
Okay, sir.

338
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,600
Any ex-party communication?

339
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:35,000
Hearing none, please proceed, sir.

340
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,920
No, just a point of...

341
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,580
Yes, sir.

342
00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:39,840
Exactly.

343
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,740
If you can click that.

344
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Thank you.

345
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,460
There are two cases on the agenda for the same property.

346
00:24:47,020 --> 00:24:49,760
This we refer to as the structural case,

347
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:56,560
The structural issues that exist in the property and the following case would be fire safety.

348
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,980
Continuing now with the case.

349
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:29,980
This was a complaint from both fire department and planning zoning and building. The building is a vacant property, vacant commercial building, which was originally inspected by members of FD and PZB April 26th and April 30th, 2024. The violations found with Section 88-18, exterior property maintenance, 88-19, interior property maintenance, and Section 88-19, interior property maintenance.

350
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:34,140
28-23 insect and rodent infestation.

351
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:40,130
There is one photograph that I took, this is the exterior of the building.

352
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:47,830
As I mentioned earlier, the properties vacant, and it's secure in that knowing can get in

353
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:48,330
there.

354
00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:53,980
I'd like to enter this photograph into the record.

355
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:56,520
Excuse me.

356
00:25:56,660 --> 00:26:02,220
Certified mail was not delivered, I posted the property on April 11, 2025, and I'd like to enter

357
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,940
the copy of that notice into the record.

358
00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:11,630
Our recommendation is a finding of non-compliance

359
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:14,050
hearing costs in the amount of $150

360
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:19,030
and a compliance date of June 23rd, 2025.

361
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:23,990
And there are representatives here from fire and planning

362
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:26,430
zoning and building to answer any questions

363
00:26:26,430 --> 00:26:27,830
that the board may have.

364
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:31,250
Okay, there's the board of any questions of the town.

365
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:32,550
I do.

366
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:36,650
But let's see if my colleagues have any questions.

367
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:38,270
I see no.

368
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:38,970
Yes.

369
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:39,610
One green line.

370
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:43,830
When you're looking at the conditions of vacant building now,

371
00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:44,930
and am I correct in that?

372
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:48,510
Do you know what is it going to be reconstructed?

373
00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:50,050
For sale or what would that be?

374
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:51,710
I don't know the particulars.

375
00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:53,890
I'm simply in this particular case.

376
00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:55,950
As you've noticed, we've had some of these recently.

377
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:58,670
I'm simply the presenter of the case.

378
00:26:58,670 --> 00:27:02,570
What is compliance?

379
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:04,210
That's my question.

380
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:06,510
What would we have to, what would have to be done?

381
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:08,790
That would be determined by the town building

382
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,790
Official and the fire Marshall.

383
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:11,890
So they have to come in.

384
00:27:11,910 --> 00:27:12,870
They're here today to testify.

385
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:14,330
Okay, that's fine.

386
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:16,190
I'll say my question, so then thanks.

387
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:17,930
Appreciate it.

388
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:18,450
It's great.

389
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:20,510
Okay.

390
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:21,650
Again, I apologize.

391
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:23,670
The iPad isn't working.

392
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:24,010
Sorry.

393
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:25,450
Just have to look for green lights.

394
00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:37,490
Seeing none, Mr. Brett Marshall, do we want to hear from planning and zoning and the fire department first?

395
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:41,110
Or do we want to hear from the owner?

396
00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:44,550
Yeah, the town staff needs to put firewood.

397
00:27:44,770 --> 00:27:50,750
Yeah, that's when I would suggest, I see the fire Marshall and I see Mr. Bergman.

398
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:57,650
So, if either of you would like to speak now as the times are, I have a question, would the

399
00:27:57,650 --> 00:28:02,170
fire department be more appropriate to listen to the next case since we have separate cases?

400
00:28:02,170 --> 00:28:04,250
The next case is in reference to the fire violation.

401
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:04,750
Right.

402
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:09,430
So, if we're just deciding on this case, should we only need to listen to planning and zoning

403
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:09,970
at the same time?

404
00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:10,610
Yes.

405
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:15,210
So, whichever one their testimony is applicable to, we're treating them as two individual

406
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:15,690
cases.

407
00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:17,750
Mr. Bergman, it's good to see you, sir.

408
00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:18,210
Again?

409
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:19,010
Good afternoon.

410
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:21,890
So, yes, please.

411
00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:27,830
Wayne Vargman, director of planning zoning building, also the towns building official.

412
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:33,790
Just to add some clarity to Mr. Maurerides testimony earlier, when we made our initial inspection

413
00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:37,230
of this property, code enforcement was did join us.

414
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:39,630
Code enforcement officer did join us for that inspection.

415
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:44,370
And when Mr. Maurerides said that the building was secure, I would like to correct that

416
00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:46,090
and say that there are some missing windows.

417
00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:48,030
some broken and damaged windows.

418
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:57,030
We found building very dilapidated on the interior, the deterioration of the building was

419
00:28:57,030 --> 00:29:00,170
directly related to the fact that the roof was leaking, severely leaking.

420
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:06,590
Water coming through the roof, rotting, damaging the ceiling, the floor, the floors,

421
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:14,470
walls, every level, every story we walk through, the floors were questionable, whether

422
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:20,150
They were safe to stand on a lot of damage, especially in what the owner referred to as the

423
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:25,150
rear of the building, not the ten inch face up front on the ground floor, but the back

424
00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:25,690
of the building.

425
00:29:27,290 --> 00:29:32,250
We did work with the property owner and the property owner did put a roof, a new roof on

426
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:32,710
the building.

427
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:39,070
So that was step one to start making the repairs to bring this building into compliance.

428
00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:43,910
But the interior, not the exterior, but the interior structure of the building still needs

429
00:29:43,910 --> 00:29:49,790
to be rebuilt, reconstructed, and that's what we are today, and I know that the property owner

430
00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:58,290
has presented a general schedule of the work he would like to do going forward, and we have

431
00:29:58,290 --> 00:29:59,970
No doubt, I have no doubt that that work.

432
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:09,620
We'll continue, but it's I think it's more of a question of the timing and whether or not you would like to put some constraints on the schedule.

433
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,680
And I know that's what the fire marshal is here to testify about as well, and I'll let you hear it from him.

434
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:17,360
That's kind of where we are.

435
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,740
Okay, Mr. Armourier is going to ask you a question.

436
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,780
Just, you know, in looking at, I know where the building is. Is it landmark?

437
00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:24,860
Yes, it is.

438
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:35,940
Does that change anything about what happens with code, does landmark have to approve everything that needs to be done?

439
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:42,220
There's very little work on the exterior that needs to be done unless the property owner wishes to do so.

440
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:53,460
And if he wishes to change the exterior materials or design, we would ask him to take that to the landmarks preservation commission in the form of a certificate of appropriateness request.

441
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:59,280
All of the work we're focusing on today has to do with the interior structural condition

442
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,300
of the building and the missing windows, some of the broken glass.

443
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:05,980
If, for example, the windows are repaired.

444
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,920
I'm just trying to figure out what is compliance in order to look at how long it takes.

445
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,320
When you say the interior is deteriorated, is it because the walls of collapse or, you know,

446
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:22,280
really or is it plaster that's fallen in because at least it's a combination.

447
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,280
It's unfortunate that code did not bring, you know, recent pictures or more current pictures

448
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680
of the interior, because that's really what we're focusing on today.

449
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,620
It's a combination of everything you described, but it was all resulting from the water damage

450
00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:40,720
of water pouring through the roof, damaging the timber framing of the interior.

451
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:46,180
What would you expect, just kind of, I know it's maybe not even a question you can answer,

452
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:49,700
to be in compliance on this one.

453
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:52,720
What would you expect that would have to be done

454
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,260
in the timing and permitting process for achieving that?

455
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:57,660
What would you expect that one?

456
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,480
I can't answer that at this moment,

457
00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:01,180
but I'd like to hear from the property owner

458
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:03,940
the schedule that he would like to propose.

459
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040
What work would take place first, second, third,

460
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:08,500
how long he believes it will take?

461
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,640
And perhaps with that schedule on the record,

462
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,340
we could...

463
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:12,820
You'd come back and visit like that.

464
00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:13,280
Absolutely.

465
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,920
I think that'd be the fair thing to do.

466
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,020
chair to the owner for us. All right. Thank you, appreciate it. Okay, Mr. Frig. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

467
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:29,280
Mr. Bergman. Life safety issues, just looking at the structural issues that I understand we're addressing at the moment.

468
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Life safety issues and what you see there. Well, certainly if anybody does go into the building, there's a life safety concern.

469
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:42,220
And I think the farm marshal is probably better suited to testify if somebody broke into the building.

470
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:46,740
If the fire department or the police department needed to gain access to the building, especially

471
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:52,080
at night when there's not light, that is the concern that public safety people have with

472
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,580
this building.

473
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,240
That's like from practical standpoint, the building is vacant.

474
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:01,680
The building is, once the windows are repaired, the building will be secure, and there's no worry

475
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,100
during the day that somebody is just going to wander in there off the street.

476
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:09,780
I don't know whether this is a proper question or not, but I think Council or Carleb will

477
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:16,020
certainly correct me. Is this been ongoing for a while? Is this just a new matter that's being brought before us today?

478
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,480
I can only venture to guess that this is decades worth of deterioration.

479
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,100
But we've only been involved in it for just over a little over a year.

480
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Thank you, sir.

481
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
And I can say this on the record regarding the property owner.

482
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,640
He has committed to me to repair the roof first and he followed through with that.

483
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,620
So I do believe there is an expectation on my part that this property owner will make the repairs.

484
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360
The question is just what schedule and timing will be followed.

485
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Thank you.

486
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:51,660
Okay, seeing no more of questions from the board to the town.

487
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Sir, we invite you to speak.

488
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,980
Could you please just tell us your name for the record?

489
00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:57,220
Mr. Corne.

490
00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:00,940
You swear or affirm that the testimony about the gift is the whole truth.

491
00:34:00,980 --> 00:34:01,600
Nothing about the truth.

492
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,180
Sir, have you gone?

493
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,700
Please take your name for the record.

494
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:11,200
My name is Gene Liter. I'm a attorney and I'm standing in representing Mr. Roddy. Mr. Roddy

495
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:19,500
is normally represented by George Ord. Mr. Ord unfortunately had some heart valve surgery this

496
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:27,460
week and was unable to be here. I called Town Council to see if I can get a matter rescheduled

497
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:30,520
And basically I told me that this was going forward.

498
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:36,320
So I'm here, I'm trying to get up to speed as much as possible in this matter.

499
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,480
I thought there was actually one case, which is the 2025 Fire Safety.

500
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:50,840
I didn't know about the 2024 matter, 24-1033, which is what we're on now,

501
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,820
until Mr.

502
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:58,660
will actually kind of sit there's two cases and I looked at the agenda and here we are.

503
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:11,920
Mr. Roddy's here, he can explain exactly what he's been doing. He does have a schedule that he's been

504
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:18,220
working on for a couple of days. He can testify to the schedule. You can answer any questions

505
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:25,560
that you have. He has lined up contractors to do the work and he can explain that to you as

506
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,220
And one of the problems that I have been missing a little more, you struck it right in the head.

507
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,540
I'm this first.

508
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,860
On this matter, what is compliance?

509
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:33,980
We don't know.

510
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,100
And if you don't know, when we don't know how do we comply.

511
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,960
But what we're willing to do, whatever needs to be done to comply.

512
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,700
And with that, I will turn it over to Mr. Roddy and he can explain what he's been doing.

513
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,100
And he's got to show, he has handouts for you.

514
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,040
I don't know how you want to do that.

515
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:51,300
Can I bring it up to you?

516
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:51,500
Sure.

517
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,940
Mr. Roddy, welcome, sir.

518
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:55,620
Thank you.

519
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,900
By the way, one of the questions we will determine is what is compliant.

520
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:05,690
I'm sorry, Sagan, please.

521
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:07,750
We're trying to ask the train.

522
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:12,510
Do you swear or affirm that the testimony about to give us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth?

523
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:13,370
So how do you got?

524
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:13,970
I do.

525
00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:15,230
Space station name for the record.

526
00:36:15,570 --> 00:36:22,910
Robert Andrew Roddy, I'm a town resident and I own 332 South County road.

527
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:27,210
through, it's D3-2, South Canerode, come at LLC's, the owner.

528
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,830
And it was built by my grandfather in 1935,

529
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:33,730
it's a Marisa Fatio design.

530
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:38,570
I have over time been restoring the property

531
00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:42,110
from the front to the back and from the outside in.

532
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:47,010
This represents the 10th large scale restoration project

533
00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:48,190
for that building.

534
00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:52,170
I've restored the entire front of the building

535
00:36:52,170 --> 00:37:00,870
When I received it from my Moses State in 2002, the entire front of the building was suffering

536
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:01,690
from spalling.

537
00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:08,130
So heavy that underneath the second floor windows, and underneath the first floor storefront

538
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:11,870
windows, the spalling was so bad, it went completely through to the inside.

539
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:18,130
The overhang around the front was heavily spalled, that was the first major project.

540
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:27,770
From there, I worked my way in, new storefront windows, restored the draws of floor on the storefront.

541
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:44,030
There's three rooms in the storefront, new Venetian plaster, new LED lighting, new electrical, expanded electrical, new bathroom fixtures, new AC system.

542
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:53,190
I had a tenant in there for some time, it's now due for a refresh, and I hope to have that done by this coming season.

543
00:37:55,250 --> 00:38:02,270
Beyond that, spalling on the south side, all three floors, heavy spalling that was the third project.

544
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:19,410
The fourth project was all of the cast iron drain pipes throughout the building, down underground and out to the back where replaced with PVC, because cast iron has a limited life and it all deteriorates.

545
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:24,590
The third floor sun decks were repaired.

546
00:38:24,590 --> 00:38:27,410
And most recently the roof was repaired.

547
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:32,850
Foundation issues were taken care of, structural issues were taken care of.

548
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:37,950
The 3,000 square foot privacy wall on the north side of the courtyard, the entire

549
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:43,950
backside, all of the concrete beams and columns had to be stripped out because of spawning

550
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:49,410
and replaced with high-strength steel and high-strength concrete.

551
00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:55,830
And so it's been quite a process over many years.

552
00:38:56,570 --> 00:38:57,290
It's been difficult.

553
00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:05,230
It's quite a challenge because any older property,

554
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:07,230
especially this one, it's nine years old.

555
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:12,790
It takes two, three times, four times amount of effort.

556
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:18,790
financially, it's not a good business model.

557
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:22,570
This is why people will tear it out of building like mine

558
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,450
and construct something new from the ground up.

559
00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:30,590
And this is why we've lost so many historically significant properties over time.

560
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:35,270
People just don't want to have to deal with this stress

561
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:39,570
and the financial burden of this sort of a project.

562
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:53,010
But this is my last tenth and last large scale restoration project after this it's down to, you know, whether, whether or not I want to replace the windows was stormrated windows or something.

563
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:59,210
So I'm looking forward to getting you with the bulk of this will be done before season starts.

564
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,580
Mr. Rodney, just a quick question. Have you shared this document with Mr. Bergman?

565
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:11,600
I have not yet distributed them now. Did you decide to?

566
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,780
Would you share it with Mr. Bergman and the fire marshal with?

567
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:24,620
Now the damage that we all saw was from the roof.

568
00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:37,170
It was from the old roof leaking, and unfortunately flat roofs will fail without warning.

569
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:45,130
Up until a point it could be patched, it would be fine for another year or so, and so everything

570
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:45,770
was okay.

571
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:53,930
But around, I think it was March of last year, it failed across the entire roof, and that

572
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:54,990
was the end of it.

573
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:56,890
I mean, it was a disaster.

574
00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:00,190
Half of all the rooms,

575
00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:04,170
the doors are on the south side.

576
00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:07,090
When you go in, there's a kitchen area

577
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:09,370
and a bathroom and then the back area is the bedroom.

578
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:11,930
And the back area, which is a north side

579
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:14,030
of all of the units and all three floors,

580
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,890
all of that was done by Jack Vogel previously.

581
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:21,330
The walls and ceilings were in good shape.

582
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:26,970
And so there was none of the degradation that we saw when it was inspected.

583
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:29,830
That all happened the beginning of last year.

584
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:34,030
So this wasn't over time, this was at that time.

585
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:44,050
So yes, I have a GCM working with and based on the schedule, the vast majority of this

586
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:50,770
should be done by time the season starts and then it'll be small projects throughout which

587
00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:56,090
If you don't have any effect on the general public or the town, it will be all inside and

588
00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:56,790
will be in the back.

589
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:57,970
Okay, thank you, sir.

590
00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:00,930
We'll do have a few more questions for you, I think.

591
00:42:01,190 --> 00:42:05,810
Before you start, these are pictures that are provided to you from the Building Official Wayne

592
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:06,490
Bergman.

593
00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:12,210
Mr. Fried, questions from Mr. Rotter.

594
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:13,670
Yeah, thank you Mr. Chairman.

595
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:15,770
How are you, Mr. Rotter?

596
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:16,910
Nice to see you.

597
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:20,430
Have you decided to contract with a contractor?

598
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:22,750
We have a verbal agreement.

599
00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:28,030
He hasn't finalized the, or, what's the term I want to think of.

600
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:35,210
He hasn't presented the contract to me yet, but it's the contractors and the, the,

601
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:38,010
their

602
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:42,810
Mac enterprises and that's the third page in.

603
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:48,270
I have posted an annual facilities permit, which is something that allows me to go forward

604
00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:56,310
and then the contractor will do whatever the contractor is in charge of, but I've already

605
00:42:56,310 --> 00:43:03,630
started moving forward doing clean out prep work and getting it ready to, you know, this

606
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:06,650
is all in the front room, this is not the back room.

607
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:12,770
So sometimes soon you'll actually enter into a little contract, that's the plan.

608
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:31,850
Yes. He's formalizing that now. I met with him this morning, so yeah, and they have a great deal of experience with older properties, going back to the late 1800s, so it's their opinion that the medic can be wrapped up sort of September or Octobercon.

609
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:41,090
I would say by November, I'm confident that it can be done this off season the bulk of it.

610
00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:49,190
What we're planning on doing is first we have to have a demolition company removes the ceilings and the floors.

611
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:55,910
And then the contractors are going to go in with carpenters to repair the subfloors.

612
00:43:55,910 --> 00:44:00,290
And, and repair the ceiling joists and the floor joists.

613
00:44:00,650 --> 00:44:02,910
Those are the structural components.

614
00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:09,090
The leaks caused significant damage to the floors,

615
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:12,870
but only on the far east side and the far west side.

616
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:17,390
We were able to, during the inspection, walk throughout the inside of the building

617
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:22,450
on all three floors without any potential harm.

618
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:28,910
So, you know, that the worst areas would be on the far east side and the far west side.

619
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:33,490
Those were, I guess, where the water puddled and then it came in from leaking.

620
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:34,630
I just understood.

621
00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:41,030
But as we speak, it's imminent that you would be entering and do a contact with a jab, with Mac.

622
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:41,670
Oh, yeah.

623
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:41,930
Yeah.

624
00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:42,450
Okay.

625
00:44:42,850 --> 00:44:45,470
I never excited about starting the project.

626
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:46,770
So, yeah.

627
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:47,330
Okay.

628
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:48,510
Happy to meet you.

629
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:49,770
Thank you, Mr. Rodding.

630
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:50,930
Mr. Broker is next.

631
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:53,910
Just a question, it just in terms of timeline.

632
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:59,970
When was the last time that this building, whether it be retail or residential was...

633
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
Actually, I just, just, Charlotte Kellogg was my last tenant. And she moved out, I don't recall when it's been, it's probably been a couple years. And she, she has a store now and we're having a new. The storefront just needs a new AC system. And beyond that, just a slight, you know, a light refresh, repair a little bit of plaster, some paintwork around the storefront.

634
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,580
windows, and I can get another tenant in there.

635
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,360
So it's fair to say it's been a number of years, I think,

636
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,940
as Mr. Bergman stated, that the damage that he saw inside the building

637
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:47,040
was probably not just happened recently, happened over a day.

638
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,420
Great, no, there's no damage to the storefront or the second floor

639
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:53,120
in the front of the building.

640
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:56,460
This is all in the back, and it all happened because of the leaks,

641
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:59,240
and the leaks didn't start until the beginning of last year.

642
00:45:59,780 --> 00:46:06,460
Now, the roof was installed in November, and the reason it was installed in November is

643
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:10,320
Carpenter's roofing, which is probably the best roofing company in South Florida.

644
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:14,760
They had a backlog, so they couldn't install the roof until November.

645
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:20,180
And of course, we had a heavy rainy season, which made the roof leaks worse, and also made

646
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:21,240
their backlog longer.

647
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:27,460
So we did our best to make sure that, or as much as possible, make sure the leaks were

648
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:33,780
taken care of in the interim, and then Carpenter's went in, and they removed the entire

649
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:40,400
original roof, repaired all of the woodwork, and installed the first-class high-quality

650
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,640
1-inch thick flat roof in seven working days, which is remarkable, I think.

651
00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:50,820
So I'm very pleased about that.

652
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:53,680
Everything's lining up.

653
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:55,580
I just have to keep it moving forward.

654
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:56,120
That's all.

655
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,340
Okay, let's do this. Mr. Royale is inpatient, let him weigh in and then we'll come back to

656
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:01,280
Creducos.

657
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Yes.

658
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:07,500
I think that this is going to take a little bit of time because we have this structural

659
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:14,580
engineer needs to provide a report and then there might be some building plans.

660
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:15,660
I'm sorry.

661
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:17,760
I'm providing some structural engineering report.

662
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,660
Well, it's engaged the personal May 12.

663
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Tom, too, is the engineer he's going to do the engineering for the four IBMs in the court yard.

664
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,400
They're structurally sound.

665
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:36,500
They're not detached or anything like that, but they have where and tear that need to be addressed.

666
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,660
But I might have the interior work.

667
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,240
We'll need some building plans.

668
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:42,020
I'm sorry.

669
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,680
Building plans for the interior?

670
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:47,500
It's all going to be like for like, they'll need engineering.

671
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:57,260
You know, if they're structural and need engineering, but I don't know that they would need plans because it's all going to be like for like it's there's not going to be anything new in a new place

672
00:47:57,260 --> 00:48:00,020
It's all, you know, if you take out one being you put in another

673
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,260
So but don't be detailed

674
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:04,720
I think I'm not

675
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:12,240
Yeah, because I'm not engineers. So I'm not okay. What can we we're going to come to Mr. Bergman in a second. I suspect

676
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,760
I want to just see if I understand some history.

677
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,320
Did you have issues with this building in code enforcement about 10 or 11 years ago?

678
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:30,920
Yeah, it's been ongoing and I don't understand it because it's a historic landmark property.

679
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:35,440
And so, you know, every older building has a to-do list.

680
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,480
And it starts out as a very big list and then you work your way through the projects and get smaller over time.

681
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,680
but it always exists.

682
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,400
And so, yeah, if I interrupt you for him

683
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,840
because my concern, I'm going to be very kind with you.

684
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,020
Is that case when in the litigation,

685
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,320
there was an attempted foreclosure,

686
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,820
you thought it, code enforcement.

687
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,280
It was sort of the same thing here that what was compliance

688
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,020
because the building was in such bad condition

689
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:08,280
that it took everything, is this the bad rotten beam

690
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,420
that has to be replaced, which leads to something

691
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:14,180
else which leads to something else. And my concern is I'm very, I'm very

692
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:19,380
kind of, I don't see this something that happened in three months. I mean, you

693
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:24,020
know, back or the front. And if you own a building, I would think you would

694
00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:28,320
notice that the roof is leaking in a regular basis. So my, my concern is, and

695
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,660
I'll be very kind of, this is to me as one of those cases, follow the town. You

696
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:38,820
got 30 days. If you're working hard, you can come back for fine modification, but

697
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:45,000
You know, this sort of vague, we're going to do this on this day and this on another day and I got to get this person in.

698
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:52,680
I mean, it's in really, you know, the question, would you sleep there overnight, and the answer is, well, no way.

699
00:49:53,340 --> 00:49:53,860
I would.

700
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,780
Because we talked about to the average, you're the owner.

701
00:49:56,860 --> 00:49:59,920
I'm talking about what the average person say, this is some.

702
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,980
In a place that has been tended to and maintained over a period of time. And in order our job is to achieve compliance. And I just do not, honestly, not candidly, not buying the idea that this happened on a emergency basis when you suddenly had a leaky roof and you finally got the roof fixed. And all of this suddenly just appeared. I'm not buying that. What I'm looking at is someone that's had experience with code issues that has a building that has experienced with code issues.

703
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:36,760
code issues that knows the history of the building having to be constantly maintained because

704
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,960
it's an older building just like so many of our good properties in the town and you've

705
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,380
got people on either side of you that are paying rent or owning buildings and that the town

706
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:50,320
comes to us and says you've got broken windows you've got other issues that we're going to deal

707
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,540
with the next case but I'm one of those people that says look you could have been dealing with this

708
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:58,880
before today, May 12th is the letter where you say,

709
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,480
I'm going to get somebody out there.

710
00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:03,700
I'm in one of those people very candidly that says,

711
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:06,500
look, we'll give you 30 days.

712
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,860
You can then at which point you return

713
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:10,140
for fine consideration.

714
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,820
And if you say there's only one or two items left on the punch list,

715
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,800
we can delay the finding for a little bit longer.

716
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,960
But I'm not seeing this as November comes along and you go,

717
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,620
well, I thought compliance was putting some pain on the wall.

718
00:51:24,620 --> 00:51:26,780
I see electrical problems.

719
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:27,880
No, no, no, no.

720
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,500
So any of it, that's my comments.

721
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,560
You know, again, I thought in my question to you,

722
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:38,220
where is the definitive nature of when I look at this and says,

723
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:41,880
if you're not going to have this done by such and such a day,

724
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,200
you acknowledge that you're going to be fine every day there after.

725
00:51:46,340 --> 00:51:47,140
I'm not seeing that.

726
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:50,560
I'm seeing sort of vague, what's compliance, what is in compliance.

727
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,520
I'm going to do the best I can.

728
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:59,100
I'm starting at late. This has been going on for at least a year and so now all of a sudden it's the last hour

729
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:04,400
You're saying well, maybe in November, maybe by season maybe not by season

730
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,700
No, I'm telling you by this by season that the vast majority of this is going to be done

731
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:11,400
But I think that's best, but you'll see

732
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,920
The neighbors may be different. Thanks. Yeah, I've said my piece. Okay, I like the roof

733
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,900
The roof wasn't installed until November. Now November is the end of the off season

734
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:28,040
The only time that I can do substantial work at that property is during the off season,

735
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,060
which started May 1st.

736
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:38,260
So between November and May 1st, I can't get a contractor in there and get the right-of-way

737
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:40,720
permits that are necessary for him to do his work.

738
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:47,060
It's not the town won't allow it, so I can tell you how much I want my supposed to do

739
00:52:47,060 --> 00:52:47,300
anything.

740
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:51,960
I think you answered Mr. Larmory this question Mr. Bergman has been patient.

741
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,080
It looks, he wants to add something.

742
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:59,540
I just, my attention was grabbed about the fact that plans would not be required.

743
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Plan would be required, but as Mr. Rottie said, it might be a typical spec for replacing

744
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,440
a damaged truss or a damaged joist.

745
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,160
This building doesn't need to be redesigned, it just needs to be reframed on the interior.

746
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:23,840
But yes, we would require plans of some type prepared by either an engineer or an architect to issue a permit.

747
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,820
OK. Mr. Rodgers or anything else you would like to add?

748
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Well, just that all of this damage was due to leaks.

749
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:41,900
The leaks started around March of last year when the roof started to fail.

750
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:43,760
That's just the way it is.

751
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:47,900
Before then, the roof could be patched and it'd be good for a while.

752
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,160
But yeah, no, it started to fail around March of last year.

753
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,640
And that's when I signed a contract with Carpenter's Roofing

754
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,340
to replace the roof.

755
00:53:58,740 --> 00:53:59,700
It was replaced.

756
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,640
That protects everything below it.

757
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:04,600
So it's, you know, it's weather tight.

758
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,800
There are a couple of windows that the glass needs to be replaced.

759
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,000
But that's not a hard thing to do.

760
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:24,090
And I had a contractor that repaired all of the ceilings and walls, and even the baseboard

761
00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:27,610
in the back rooms, that's a picture you didn't see.

762
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:31,630
But they were all in good condition before the roof leaks.

763
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:34,770
And so, you know, that's...

764
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:37,110
Let me ask you this,

765
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:42,010
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, go ahead.

766
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:44,350
I have heard everything.

767
00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:50,190
I sort of fall on the side of Mr. Farmerier on this one.

768
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:55,310
I would be much more comfortable seeing you on a regular basis

769
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:59,570
and having you come back and indicate where you are.

770
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:59,910
Right?

771
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,680
Then give us something that, well, listen, this is the guide.

772
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:10,580
I may be the guide. I'd rather hear from you as to how much progress you've made. And I'm going

773
00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:16,840
to look to Mr. Bergman as well. You haven't shared this with him except today.

774
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:24,180
Well, we work together over the other day. That's fine. But there seems to be some history here. And

775
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:28,060
I think we're sort of persuaded by our colleague, Mr.

776
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:31,940
One more A, and I think, at least for me,

777
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:33,940
I'm not comfortable letting this sit.

778
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,780
So with that, I'm looking to any of my colleagues who

779
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:40,300
want to say anything, Mr. Fried.

780
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,240
I'll make a motion.

781
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:42,500
Please, Chairman, if you're ready.

782
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:44,580
May I say something before you start?

783
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,980
I'm fine coming back and reporting as things progress.

784
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:51,560
If you want to do that, in that way, that's perfectly fine.

785
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:57,120
I have a contractor, I have everything lined up, it's already started, so.

786
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:57,320
Okay.

787
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:58,700
Let's Mr. Fritz.

788
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:59,260
Yes, sir.

789
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:00,020
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

790
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,900
Thank you, Mr. Roddy.

791
00:56:01,820 --> 00:56:04,800
I'd like to move the council's recommendation of finding

792
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,020
a non-compliance, assessed administrative fee, and amount of $150.

793
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,560
To be paid within 30 days of this order, and to come into compliance by June 23rd,

794
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,620
or this case will return for fine consideration

795
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:22,900
at the June 26th, 2025 Code Board hearing.

796
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:24,680
Okay, is there a second to the motion?

797
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,000
Second. Okay, a motion from May,

798
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:29,040
I'm Mr. Fried, second by Mr. McGowan,

799
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:29,760
all in favor.

800
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:30,680
Hi.

801
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:31,780
I'm a new post.

802
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:35,340
Okay, Mr. Rady, thank you.

803
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:43,370
Okay.

804
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:45,950
Office of Moriarty.

805
00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:48,030
This is the B.

806
00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:52,750
25, 7.84, this is what you call the fire ratio.

807
00:56:53,770 --> 00:56:54,610
That sounds applicable.

808
00:56:56,110 --> 00:56:58,110
Case number 25, 7.84.

809
00:56:59,090 --> 00:57:02,290
Property address again is 332 South County Road, Palm Beach, Florida.

810
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:05,310
The owner's name is 332 South County Road.

811
00:57:05,950 --> 00:57:07,710
Okay, is our next party communication?

812
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:10,230
Hearing seeing none, please proceed, sir.

813
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,120
This case is a result of a email from the fire department.

814
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:19,780
This is again a vacant building.

815
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:27,520
the commercial property. This case was open on April 5th, 2025, based on an email from

816
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:36,220
the town fire marshal. The violation found was Section 46-66, which includes fire protection

817
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:43,800
and prevention. The town upright adopts the National Fire Protection Association code.

818
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:46,960
Some

819
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:54,840
of the violations that were spelled out in the farm marshal's email are as noted, standard

820
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:02,880
for doors and opening protectives, debris noted on the stairs, corroded electrical

821
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,780
mechanical tubing and unsecured wires, unsafe electrical, building electrical meters

822
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:15,000
not compliant with floor to power and light, no-fire detection devices, anunciation

823
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,380
or fire suppression systems, building occupancy separating walls of non-compliant fire

824
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:24,240
resistance ratings, building lacks means of egress and emergency lighting, interior

825
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:30,600
finishes are not compliant, building is non-compliant waste disposal, site security

826
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,920
and path of emergency egress.

827
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,820
Our town recommendation is a finding of non-compliance costs

828
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:45,280
in the amount of $150 and a complaint state of June 23rd, 2025.

829
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,620
Officer Moriarty, great to see you as always.

830
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:02,460
So my concern on this particular fire safety issue is we have a vacant building that is

831
00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:10,780
in pretty sad shape, which according to everything I'm reading has no detection system whatsoever

832
00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:18,380
within it. So if it should catch on fire, you know, there's no alarm that's going to go off

833
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:24,580
at the fire company and it is a building that is surrounded by others in downtown Palm Beach.

834
00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:34,160
So enlighten me a bit as to what the fire code the NFPA says about vacant buildings with no

835
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:42,300
No systems to detect fire, is that a violation, and what do we do about that?

836
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Maybe more directed to the fire chief, perhaps, there yourself.

837
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:47,160
You're correct.

838
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,260
I think you make valid, really valid points, well, well articulated, and yes, the fire

839
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:56,020
marshal certainly more suited to the answer the question than I am.

840
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:57,580
Thank you, officer.

841
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,200
More ready.

842
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:59,980
Mr. Frick.

843
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,060
Just one quick question. Mr. Moore already, maybe maybe I could ask you this one as well. Just kind of the old chest, not what would they need to do to come into compliance with this particular series of violations?

844
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,280
Once again, that's not my expertise. That's the fire marshal.

845
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:24,080
Okay. Mr. Deloach, we welcome you. We're sorry to make you come up here twice.

846
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:28,580
And we just hope that you're well and your knee is improving.

847
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,700
Marty Deloads, fire marshal of the town of Palm Beach.

848
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:36,680
I guess I'd like to combine all the testimony that's happened already.

849
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,940
So this particular building had been inspected by our crews.

850
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:48,160
Every time they went there for a number of years, there was nobody to get a hold of.

851
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,840
So they marked it as vacant in our records.

852
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,920
We noticed that long about August of 23.

853
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,840
We started reaching out to Mr. Roddy to inspect his building.

854
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,820
In September we had written correspondence to him about inspecting his building.

855
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:13,300
Going back and forth and pointing out the conditions in the code that require him by statute,

856
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:19,660
or we get a bench warrant to come in, he finally allowed us to inspect his building in April of last year.

857
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:25,060
We told him we were going to bring additional expertise, which is allowed in the code book.

858
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:28,860
We brought a building official, and we brought the electrical inspector.

859
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:32,700
We had, from addition, that there was a lot of violations.

860
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,140
He did not allow them into the building at that time.

861
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:37,360
He refused their entry.

862
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:40,620
So myself and one of the inspectors went through.

863
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,060
We found countless plumbing.

864
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:47,600
There's three buildings in this town that have been dilapidated like this.

865
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,800
One was the Palm House, which is now a beautiful building.

866
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,600
The other one was the Palm Beach hotel that was here with you with doors and other issues.

867
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:58,820
I would say from the three, this one's far worse than the other two.

868
01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:03,280
The Palm House, my first time going in there, I put out a do not interorder.

869
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:05,720
When we went into Mr. Roddy's building,

870
01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:08,360
we put out a do not interorder to the police and fire.

871
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,060
It's unsafe.

872
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,960
It would harm or kill any policeman or fireman chasing perpetrator in there,

873
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,760
or going in a fight of fire, not aware.

874
01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:20,640
As Mr. Roddy stated, the roof leaked.

875
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,940
I'm not sure when the demolition deterioration of the building occurred, but it clearly wasn't

876
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:29,220
two years ago, it was long before that.

877
01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:35,940
There's not a shred of drywall that you could recognize in floors 1, 2, and 3.

878
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,200
The west side of the building was, I think, where the primary water leak was from the roof.

879
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,220
There was no ceiling on the third floor.

880
01:02:45,340 --> 01:02:46,720
There was no floor on the third floor.

881
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,240
There was no ceiling on the second floor.

882
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:57,800
There was no floor on the second floor, and it all had fallen down with the debris from all of those things collapsing into the first floor, which was heavy fire loading.

883
01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:03,100
The windows on the north side of the building were broken a year ago, they're still broken.

884
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:09,140
I think you have been given copies of what Mr. Bergen provided in the building code.

885
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:13,880
We also wanted this brought in under the fire code in 2008-24.

886
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,380
We just came to realize that they didn't file under both from the codeboard.

887
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,400
The fire violations have been there.

888
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:27,540
He's got an 18 unit apartment building that the doors were not secured.

889
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,880
He sent security to put plywood over them.

890
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:31,840
The electric in the back was not secured.

891
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,580
He sent personal locks on those which could be disconnected at any time.

892
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,500
There's wires hanging everywhere in the building.

893
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:39,120
There's plumbing hanging everywhere in the building.

894
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,640
He's got those old tile type bricks that are cracked.

895
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,080
He had a structural engineer look at it.

896
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,300
He claims to think that they're solid.

897
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:49,860
I've seen buildings under renovation with those bricks

898
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:51,840
that they've all had to be removed to rebuild place

899
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,000
because they just had no structural left from the salt there.

900
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:57,680
So right now we have a building that has some doors,

901
01:03:57,940 --> 01:04:00,920
but anywhere that at least one occasion

902
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,760
a police were chasing a burglar or a bad guy

903
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,660
through there and they went around and had

904
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:10,180
chase them into the building. The bad guy could have gotten hurt really bad. Police officer could have

905
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:14,660
got really bad. In the fire code part of the fire code is not just to prevent fires, but to provide

906
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:20,060
safety for the first responders. And so I'm not able to do that until this building gets fixed.

907
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:27,640
So I hear the question of what's fixed has floors windows doors, drywall, alarm system, smoke detectors.

908
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,760
Our code requires him to sprinkle that building when he renovates it. It has to be fully sprinkled

909
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,280
So there's a lot of work.

910
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,980
So again, he was sighted a year ago in April.

911
01:04:38,740 --> 01:04:40,500
He put a roof on it.

912
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,400
He's got iron beams holding a 30 or 40 foot wall

913
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,440
that he talked about a 3000 square foot wall.

914
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:47,400
It's up like a sail in a wind.

915
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,820
We've got pictures, I think Mr. Bergen provided,

916
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,500
where the eyed beam that he's got going across there

917
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:53,820
is dilapidated and rusted.

918
01:04:54,380 --> 01:04:56,200
I'm not sure that a hurricane comes by,

919
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,080
that it doesn't blow down on his neighbor's building

920
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,920
or blow back on his building.

921
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:12,260
Or blow down on somebody else, God forbid. This is the worst building I've been in in the town. And it's been a year since he was cited and we've got a new roof.

922
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:23,280
Okay, Mr. Deloach. Thank you. There's a seat next to Officer Moriarty. If he would be more comfortable for you. I feel badly that you've actually had to stand.

923
01:05:25,530 --> 01:05:28,130
Please do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

924
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:35,070
I'm sure that I see plenty of lights, I just like, and you don't have to come up to the podium.

925
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:36,970
I just like to ask you one question.

926
01:05:37,570 --> 01:05:41,030
Is it my understanding if you're a testimony that you've been refused entry

927
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:43,450
when you wanted to inspect this building?

928
01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:46,690
Yeah, it was a...

929
01:05:46,690 --> 01:05:47,990
Okay, the answer is yes.

930
01:05:48,370 --> 01:05:49,170
Thank you, sir.

931
01:05:49,890 --> 01:05:51,160
I can say I'll say it.

932
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:59,020
You both spoke in a lot, so Mr. Royal hasn't spoken very much.

933
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,800
Yes, I just have a question.

934
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,500
We were talking about structural reports earlier.

935
01:06:05,780 --> 01:06:14,940
And I noticed that the quote from Tommy only includes four existing beams.

936
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:16,440
I mean that

937
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:17,880
I mean some reference to that arose.

938
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:25,640
Yeah, but you have described the structure report needs to be in large, the scope in order to cover ten more things.

939
01:06:25,980 --> 01:06:32,720
I mean that this is not even sufficient to start the process or to know the extent of the repairs.

940
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:40,270
I mean that in order to find out that the efficiencies every report needs to be prepared.

941
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:44,430
That way we can go from there to figure out exactly what's needed.

942
01:06:45,610 --> 01:06:48,210
And maybe we can here is insufficient.

943
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:51,370
Mr. Frude.

944
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:52,270
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

945
01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:54,550
And thank you, Mr. Deloge, as well.

946
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:59,570
What would it take to bring this property into compliance?

947
01:07:01,370 --> 01:07:04,090
Well, I think you have to have solid floors.

948
01:07:04,850 --> 01:07:08,730
For the amount of time, and it's not been a year, it's been several years.

949
01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:11,350
I used to be a licensed builder in Michigan before I moved Florida.

950
01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:16,710
And, you know, when wood gets rained on, it doesn't rod and fall through from one floor

951
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:21,510
to the next floor to the next floor, and Monts, it takes a long time for that to get rained

952
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:26,930
on and then rod, and then just the gravity of the product to fall through, that's occurred

953
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:31,490
again from the first floor ceiling to the third floor ceiling to the third floor floor to

954
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:34,750
the second floor ceiling to the second, I mean, it all the way down to the first floor, it's

955
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:39,170
all those things rodded and fell, that doesn't take a matter of weeks, months at several

956
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:41,730
years before that stuff serves falling apart like that.

957
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:46,650
What I'm a little concerned about is the nature of the violations that we've quoted here.

958
01:07:46,810 --> 01:07:52,370
They seem to be sort of omnibus in a way that don't really point to any specifics.

959
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:59,050
And I think, you know, in all fairness to Mr. Roddy, is there somewhere we can tell

960
01:07:59,050 --> 01:08:04,130
what he needs to do to come into compliance or is what you quoted here sufficient in a legal

961
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:05,690
context to accomplish that?

962
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:07,770
And we could provide a more detailed list.

963
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:12,130
Unfortunately, we've tried to work with Mr. Roddy

964
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:14,170
and having the building department look

965
01:08:14,170 --> 01:08:16,270
at the structural things along with the fire department.

966
01:08:17,650 --> 01:08:20,330
And he kept sending reports to Mr. Bergman

967
01:08:20,330 --> 01:08:22,750
asking for a delay to come before you.

968
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:24,510
And another excuse.

969
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:27,310
Again, I got a little frustrated with that one.

970
01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:29,950
Yeah, you know, the document that we sent,

971
01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:31,810
the document that Mr. Bergman sent,

972
01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:46,270
the, I don't know, let's see here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 specific things out of chapter 88 for the

973
01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:53,970
town code of ordinances. And then all of the fire code things, you know, it's hard for me to put a fire

974
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:58,990
or sprinkler system in a building that doesn't have floors and walls. This is an existing building

975
01:08:58,990 --> 01:09:05,190
town that is landmarked, but as Mr. Bergen said, you probably have to go and and got everything

976
01:09:05,190 --> 01:09:09,150
except the exterior walls and I've seen that kind of work done. It's extensive. And then

977
01:09:09,150 --> 01:09:13,130
they've got to go and and build the walls back up, moving dividers, you know, put an

978
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:18,230
plumbing put in the electric. You know, that's just general construction. I'm saying is the deterioration

979
01:09:18,230 --> 01:09:23,450
and what everybody here when you drive by thinks is an existing building to be occupied for retail

980
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:27,950
and for, you know, an apartment. There's nothing there. It's gone.

981
01:09:28,830 --> 01:09:36,010
So not to put words in your mouth, but their life, safety issues, here, sitting right

982
01:09:36,010 --> 01:09:39,130
on South County Road as we speak.

983
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:45,490
To enter the building would be risky, especially after dark. There's no power. Now, when

984
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:48,590
we went through the building, there was power in certain parts of it. It wouldn't turn

985
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:55,130
and there was wires hanging on the walls, you know, the plumbing was hanging, there's, you know, open

986
01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:59,950
sewers, go out from there. Okay, let's do this. Mr. McGallington, very patient. Thank you.

987
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,900
Yes, so I just, I would just find a follow-up, Mr. Deloitte, to the question that I asked that sort of precipitate all of this answer.

988
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:26,000
I know it's not within our purview as a codeboard to do this, but considering that this building is unoccupied and basically has no system within it to notify the town of a fire, which would be my biggest concern that I'm sure it is yours.

989
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:34,980
Can you, your office, require Mr. Roddy to have round the clock security monitoring this building?

990
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:38,740
Is that something that they can be done by the town or by your office?

991
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,280
I believe we could do that.

992
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:41,940
And is it something that you've considered?

993
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:49,520
Well, you know, I was hoping that we would get some direction from Mr. Roddy on where we're going.

994
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,380
It's disappointing to see that he brought a document today that he's talked to a contractor today.

995
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,080
which is about 13 months after we sighted him.

996
01:10:59,620 --> 01:11:01,340
You know, that's the frustrating part,

997
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,320
as we've been trying to work with the owner

998
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,200
to get things done.

999
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,520
And I just see Delay Delay Delay,

1000
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,440
and I'm going to do, I'm going to do,

1001
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:10,640
and nothing gets to done.

1002
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,860
That seems to be the pattern.

1003
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:15,580
Thank you very much.

1004
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:17,000
Okay.

1005
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,480
Okay, Miss Sava has not spoken at all.

1006
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:23,360
It's unusual.

1007
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:33,580
I just have a general question, what happens to a landmark building if it becomes condemned?

1008
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:36,540
That's a good question.

1009
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,260
We brought that subject with the Palm Beach hotel.

1010
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:44,720
And the attorney that we had at the time said, you know,

1011
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,740
we were going to try and condemn it,

1012
01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:50,700
demolition through neglect, which is kind of what we see in this case here also.

1013
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:57,480
And he made a determination with all the fire code violations for us to approach him with that and get those corrected.

1014
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:05,340
Which, you know, this board worked with us to get things corrected and they've had new owners, change owners,

1015
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:11,240
and we still have some issues we'll probably bring in in front of you on one part of that building in a near future.

1016
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,080
But for the most part that building is pretty good, pretty safe and we've actually had a few fires in there.

1017
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:20,380
at the sprinkler system they have is put out and kept in the area of origin.

1018
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,020
Hmm, if that's the new hotel.

1019
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,560
The Palm Beach Hotel.

1020
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,020
The Palm Beach Hotel.

1021
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:27,280
The new hotel is beautiful.

1022
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:27,820
The other men.

1023
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,260
I know.

1024
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:28,740
I know.

1025
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:28,920
I know.

1026
01:12:29,580 --> 01:12:29,640
I know.

1027
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:29,840
I know.

1028
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:29,860
I know.

1029
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:29,980
I know.

1030
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:30,240
I know.

1031
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:30,540
I know.

1032
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:32,480
Okay.

1033
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:33,160
So.

1034
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,300
Mr. Con, and then Mr. One, right there.

1035
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:44,100
Thank you, obviously it's not up to this board to sell the owner how to maintain his property.

1036
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:57,000
However, if we happen to find noncompliance today, can we actually say that by the next meeting he should come with a qualified architect,

1037
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,280
who has drawn up appropriate plans, to go forward that he can actually show the town?

1038
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:09,460
I don't know if we can go that far, but in other words, we can't say you must do this to comply because there are so many things.

1039
01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:16,400
But at least to know he has a qualified person to get proper instruction as to how the work should be done.

1040
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:18,400
Might be a step forward.

1041
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:19,580
It's just okay.

1042
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:21,260
But Mr. I'm here.

1043
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,240
Quick question.

1044
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,360
These are two separate cases.

1045
01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:29,340
One case looks like 30 days is okay.

1046
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:34,740
But this case bothers me only primarily because of the fact of danger to first responders.

1047
01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:44,360
Is there anything that could be done to eliminate that danger within 48 hours or 72 hours

1048
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:50,120
that at least that you would be able to respond appropriately to, because what I envision

1049
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:55,160
is somebody in there working in this building trying to do something, they leave,

1050
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:59,320
you know,

1051
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,720
building that's not very well insulated and all of a sudden you've got a whole that whole

1052
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:09,520
block has a problem and you've got a gas station on the corner. And so I'm you know I'm

1053
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:15,960
looking at something that could easily spin out of control is there anything that could be done

1054
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:22,360
in the immediate basis to be able to at least alert the fire department that there's an issue

1055
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,960
would in the building, or is it just a little bit?

1056
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,140
I think probably along with the conversation

1057
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:30,240
is the only thing that could alleviate that

1058
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,020
would be 24-7 security on the property.

1059
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:35,520
OK.

1060
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,840
Why don't we, I'm sorry, Chris.

1061
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:38,380
I didn't mean to do that.

1062
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:40,220
No, no, that's that answer is my question.

1063
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:40,900
Miss Arva.

1064
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:45,120
Is the electrical, like FPL, is it connected?

1065
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,460
I believe it's connected to the meters.

1066
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
That Mr. Roddy has the ability to turn off

1067
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,160
and put a small little lock that could be cut

1068
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:59,440
So you have to have light in order to work there, so you can't just connect all the

1069
01:14:59,440 --> 01:14:59,700
electric.

1070
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,200
One of the things Mr. Bergman directed him was to lock off and secure. So it looks like there's a meter for every apartment. I think there was a two apartments, plus the storefront and there's a whole bank of meters in the back. And he has put small locks on each one of those.

1071
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,640
So that would help.

1072
01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:18,120
That helps with the electric.

1073
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:27,980
To minimize fire risk. But again, we have lightning. We have a lot of different things. And then we have people with bad ill intent to that could create a problem.

1074
01:15:28,820 --> 01:15:38,160
Okay, I think in fairness we ought to turn to Mr. Roddy's council and or Mr. Roddy or both.

1075
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,340
Just state your name again for the record.

1076
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,640
State your name again for the record.

1077
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,500
And turn your microphone on.

1078
01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:49,770
Jean Lipscher. Thanks.

1079
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:58,650
You've heard from Mr. Roddy. He's given you a timetable of what he is prepared to do.

1080
01:15:58,650 --> 01:16:04,530
these hired contractors, maybe not in writing yet, but he's lying them up and he's ready

1081
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:10,790
to go forward with repairing the situation, and I hear, I understand, and I didn't know

1082
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:15,970
the history of this, but he wants to do the right thing and he wants to get things accomplished.

1083
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:23,770
Thirty-day from the last hearing, maybe that could happen.

1084
01:16:23,770 --> 01:16:29,650
And what I've heard here, though, and I agree, I mean, how if you're going to give them 30 days

1085
01:16:29,650 --> 01:16:33,570
to come into compliance on this particular matter, it's going to be an impossibility.

1086
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:34,410
It's punitive.

1087
01:16:34,930 --> 01:16:36,450
And there's just no way it's going to happen.

1088
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:39,910
So I ask that you don't do that.

1089
01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:43,890
Mr. Roddy had suggested that he'd come back every month and tell you the progress.

1090
01:16:44,210 --> 01:16:49,050
You can monitor the progress with the fire safety issue.

1091
01:16:49,150 --> 01:16:51,550
There's got to be something different than 24-7 security.

1092
01:16:52,950 --> 01:17:01,230
There's gotta be what that is, I don't know, but again, this shouldn't be punitive if he's trying to do the right thing.

1093
01:17:01,610 --> 01:17:03,330
If you didn't want to do it, you wouldn't put the roof on.

1094
01:17:03,550 --> 01:17:04,510
You just left it.

1095
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:05,090
Why?

1096
01:17:05,130 --> 01:17:05,990
Why spend the money?

1097
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:06,970
Why spend the money?

1098
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:08,170
Come here.

1099
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:09,010
I mean, seriously.

1100
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:10,650
He wants to do the right thing.

1101
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:12,430
He doesn't want to address you.

1102
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:15,230
Okay.

1103
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:15,570
Sure.

1104
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:19,330
We also want to do the right thing, which is why I want to turn to Mr. Rotty.

1105
01:17:19,870 --> 01:17:20,390
Thank you.

1106
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:27,070
All right, well, look, here's the big picture older buildings don't fix themselves.

1107
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:28,370
They fall apart.

1108
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:32,310
You know, look at what happened to the Royal Points at a Playhouse.

1109
01:17:33,310 --> 01:17:36,590
And the owner of that property probably did nothing for 40 years.

1110
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:41,850
And then Whites goes in and they tear it down because there's nothing left to hold it up.

1111
01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:44,630
Look at what happened to Chuck Schumacher's house.

1112
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:52,350
He goes in with a contractor and literally about 70% of the building fell down.

1113
01:17:52,730 --> 01:17:57,830
My building's solid, it's not going to fall down, it's not going to catch fire, it doesn't

1114
01:17:57,830 --> 01:18:04,330
have open sewers, it has brand new PVC, it's all kept.

1115
01:18:06,090 --> 01:18:08,990
The electric is shut off in the back and locked.

1116
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:14,610
The building is safe, unless you step on one of the holes, which is on the far left of

1117
01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:22,250
far west side and far east side, when we did the tour, everybody walks throughout that building.

1118
01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:28,070
And before the first of last year, half of that area was perfectly fine.

1119
01:18:28,690 --> 01:18:32,590
It was the leaks in the roof that caused the damage, and that was the beginning.

1120
01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:34,250
It was around March of last year.

1121
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:39,750
It did not happen before that, and this was not an ongoing thing.

1122
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:44,390
I don't know where that comes from, but Mr. Robert, no one was there.

1123
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:49,830
before. I was and I've had people in there regularly to make repairs on that building.

1124
01:18:51,950 --> 01:18:53,390
Okay, are you finished?

1125
01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:58,730
You have any other questions for me, but the building's safe. Okay, I have a question for you.

1126
01:18:58,730 --> 01:19:03,050
I have a question for you. I'm moving forward. I have a question for you. Yes.

1127
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:16,000
We have a responsibility here and we try to exercise it fairly and to achieve a result.

1128
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:26,900
Based upon the testimony, I'm uncomfortable, and I suspect many of my colleagues are uncomfortable with the current status.

1129
01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:38,920
And what assurance can you give us, that if we give you more time, that we're not going to have a dire situation?

1130
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,400
I mean, I heard one possibility which was security.

1131
01:19:43,420 --> 01:19:47,060
I'm not sure, I see why the cases were brought together.

1132
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,260
But I'm struggling with how we remedy this situation

1133
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:55,800
if we wanted to give you more time.

1134
01:19:56,940 --> 01:19:58,860
Well, the buildings locked, it's secure.

1135
01:19:59,000 --> 01:19:59,980
No one's going to get in.

1136
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,440
All the doors function, all the locks function. You can go over there now. You can't get into the building. There are a couple windows that need to be repaired. I have the glass to do that. That's an easy fix. I have qualified people to take care of the items and the floors and the ceilings. If you would like me to come back on a monthly basis and give you a report, I understand your expectations. You want to see something happen. You want it to move forward. So do I.

1137
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:37,200
I can give you a monthly report, I can come back every month if you like, and I can tell you exactly what's happening.

1138
01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:54,430
My question is, if he got a contract with a contractor and got permits addressing all these issues, does that equate to compliance if they're all underneath the permit that says that they're going to address these?

1139
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:15,100
So, keeping in mind, this specific case relates only to the fire code, the question I was going to ask is we have this letter from Mr. Deloche, kind of going through the fire code.

1140
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:23,020
These specific provisions of the fire code that the building is, and I realize you don't have this, you know what I'm talking about.

1141
01:21:23,020 --> 01:21:33,020
Yeah, yeah, I have the document. Those are many, like, you know, it's hard to put fire sprinklers hard to put fire alarm systems in a building that's

1142
01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:39,040
half done or half destroyed or dilapidated whatever way towards what it is.

1143
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:46,680
There are no floors consistent on first, second, third. There's still debris. There's no walls.

1144
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:57,840
You know, typically you need a ceiling to put a smoke detector too, you know, as suppose you could put it through the roof, but then there's no real roof on the second floor, because there's a hole from the second floor to the third floor.

1145
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,220
So the smoke detector wouldn't work on one part of the building.

1146
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:09,080
You know, if you had a fire in the first floor on the west side, the smoke and heat would have to build up all the way up to the third floor before the smoke detector would work.

1147
01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:13,040
You know, that's part of the problem with the building that's that this dilapidated.

1148
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:19,460
So those things need to happen, but again, we teamed up with Mr. Bergman to try and get the

1149
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:20,120
place rebuilt.

1150
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,560
That no idea we'd be a year later in the floors and inside of the building is the same as

1151
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,520
it was a year ago.

1152
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:37,620
So the more interested in Mr. Roddy has to do on the structural aspect has to proceed before

1153
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:42,500
we can even talk about remedying the fire code violations.

1154
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:49,440
Yes, sir. I mean, and those will exist no matter what until that work is completed.

1155
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:53,780
Yes, sir. There's no power. There's no way to hook up on a alarm system.

1156
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:59,000
There's nothing to report it to a, you know, monitoring company.

1157
01:22:59,220 --> 01:23:02,500
None of those things can be put in until you get the building rebuilt.

1158
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,540
So as the fire marshal, you would be uncomfortable.

1159
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:18,040
under circumstance that we've just articulated because we still have a building that need structural work and still has fire code violations.

1160
01:23:18,860 --> 01:23:19,980
Yes, sir.

1161
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:24,840
Do you have a suggestion for this board as to how we can remedy that?

1162
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,220
I think you're on the right path of finding a noncompliance.

1163
01:23:30,740 --> 01:23:34,760
I never loved the fines, but they do get people's motivated.

1164
01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:37,740
I prefer for people to put the money into their building.

1165
01:23:39,260 --> 01:23:43,100
But as we said here today, he's been given a year already to get these things fixed.

1166
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:46,780
But I'm going to have a problem with my colleague to the left.

1167
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,600
Because if he's going to ask what compliance?

1168
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:55,680
Well, can I just jump in to kind of address the Vice Chair's question?

1169
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,040
And sorry to jump in, but I think it's a prudent for your question as well.

1170
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,060
I think what we have here is, so the town's code incorporates the fire code, so that's

1171
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:07,020
all incorporated, even though every provision has been spelled out in the code.

1172
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:13,380
What Mr. Villuch has done is specified in the more generalities just given how difficult

1173
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:18,000
it is to nail down each individual fire code in this letter, and I want to make sure that

1174
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,120
Mr. Rottie has a copy of the letter, so you understand what I'm talking about, at a minimum

1175
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:27,420
would be coming into compliance with the fire code, which I understand would probably be contingent

1176
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:34,020
on the first case being brought into compliance, but maybe not for every single individual,

1177
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,500
one, maybe there are some that he can come into compliance without other structural,

1178
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:39,780
right?

1179
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:40,700
Get my long-term.

1180
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:41,840
Yeah.

1181
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,420
As they build new houses in town, the insurance company makes them put in a temporary

1182
01:24:46,420 --> 01:24:47,400
fire alarm system.

1183
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,900
And a lot of times as they get a little further along, because of the values of the stuff

1184
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:55,820
that the people put in their houses, they are required to have 24-7 security, either

1185
01:24:55,820 --> 01:24:59,360
when the construction people are there, or after hours when the construction people

1186
01:24:59,360 --> 01:24:59,980
believe they have to have...

1187
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:11,900
Security there. It's not something that's unusual on the island. So, yeah, there are things as you get further. But from what I know he has not reported he did anything to the violations.

1188
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:20,320
It says it looked last year. There's not much you could do for a fire alarm system that would be predictably ready to work or even be able to connect to a monetary station.

1189
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:29,800
I have someone making a copy so they have that as well, but the provision specified

1190
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:35,420
if the fire code which is incorporated in our code, I think is where we can start for

1191
01:25:35,420 --> 01:25:39,960
what compliance looks like, but yes, it sounds like there's obviously no way that that would happen within

1192
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,360
30 days to answer that question.

1193
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,700
Mr. Fried is next and Mr. Moyer, but I just would like to say something.

1194
01:25:47,440 --> 01:26:01,380
I'm struggling because I hear that I'm going to have a building in the center of town which is going to have fire code, life safety,

1195
01:26:01,580 --> 01:26:03,900
health violations for months.

1196
01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:07,060
That's what I'm hearing.

1197
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,760
And that is a problem for me.

1198
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,420
And I need to figure out what we can do to ameliorate that.

1199
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:18,260
The answer is pretty simple.

1200
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:25,280
You have 24, you have either you provide 24-7 security until such time as your construction

1201
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:30,200
is allowed you to do what other places have done with major construction projects, which

1202
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,880
is temporary fire, and then permanent fire.

1203
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:37,560
I mean, the biggest issue is they have to be able to know, first of all, some things

1204
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,160
going on missed there from the fire department.

1205
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:45,540
And secondly, they have to be assured that they can get into the building without first responders

1206
01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:50,120
being a danger. That's real simple. Either he's not going to either he's willing to put the

1207
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:55,780
people in there to make sure that the rest of the town is protected and the building's next

1208
01:26:55,780 --> 01:27:00,760
door. He's not doesn't want to spend it and he runs a fine up for as much as it is and if he goes

1209
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:07,260
beyond the point of foreclosure he gets foreclosed on. I mean it's pretty simple to me which is to me

1210
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:12,920
we've made a suggestion. I don't think we can make him have somebody there but we can sit here and

1211
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,620
To me, life safety issues, we can shorten the 30 days.

1212
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,140
That's not an issue we did.

1213
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:19,300
We did it at the ambassador.

1214
01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:22,320
I think we should shorten it a period of time.

1215
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:25,060
And then you start your fine consideration.

1216
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,580
And if he says, hey, look, I got a 24-7.

1217
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,160
You know, when the people aren't there working,

1218
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,520
there's somebody there to protect the building.

1219
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,000
And then 30 days later, I put in a temporary fire alarm.

1220
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:40,000
And 30 days after that, I put in sufficient where the town.

1221
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:40,660
I mean, you've got to work.

1222
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:44,100
You got to go to the town, you got to go to the fire chief and say, hey, look, fire marshland

1223
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:44,340
site.

1224
01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:45,540
This is why I did.

1225
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:46,420
Is this okay?

1226
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:47,300
Is this sufficient?

1227
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,280
If it's not, what can I do to make it sufficient?

1228
01:27:49,540 --> 01:27:51,180
That's how it should work.

1229
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:54,060
So I think it's pretty simple to make a motion that we're going.

1230
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:55,100
Okay, simplicity.

1231
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:58,440
I'd love simplicity before we get to that.

1232
01:27:58,460 --> 01:28:00,220
We've got Mr. Frieden, Mr. McGowan.

1233
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,040
I just have a question for you, Mr. Roddy.

1234
01:28:05,820 --> 01:28:05,840
Yes.

1235
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,180
This is your building.

1236
01:28:07,180 --> 01:28:12,120
built by your grandfather. You've been in town a long time. Yes. Does it concern you in the

1237
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:19,680
least that you have this structure which has no one in it that clearly is in pretty bad shape

1238
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:28,280
and you're not interested in monitoring this with some sort of a alarm system smoke detection system

1239
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:33,580
to keep an eye on the property. I mean, many of us obviously have physio cameras and alarm systems

1240
01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:38,720
on our homes in which we live, but certainly I would think that you would want to know what

1241
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,760
is going on in this building, which is sitting in the heart of the town upon beach.

1242
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,500
Have you evaluated that at all?

1243
01:28:46,820 --> 01:28:49,760
It's never been brought up to me as a concern.

1244
01:28:49,820 --> 01:28:55,400
The building has always been locked, and as I said, this is my tenth large-scale restoration

1245
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:56,080
project.

1246
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:57,800
I've worked through this entire building.

1247
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:03,380
If I didn't do what I had done over the years, and I take exception that people, anybody

1248
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:05,620
He says that I'm not doing what I need to do.

1249
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,320
If I didn't, this building would be torn down well before now, just like the Royal

1250
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,080
Plancy and a playhouse, just like Chewhawkers' house.

1251
01:29:14,440 --> 01:29:16,440
So, this building is solid and it's standing.

1252
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:23,120
It's just the interior of the back and the damage that was done was recent, okay?

1253
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,600
So, I understand that.

1254
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,960
But, lots of buildings can be broken into, I'm sure.

1255
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,680
any of those buildings along there anywhere in Palm Beach can be broken into.

1256
01:29:33,820 --> 01:29:39,020
Now, I live on the North End and I don't see security on any of the 60s something construction

1257
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:40,240
sites there.

1258
01:29:42,340 --> 01:29:48,260
So I don't, you know, I hear what you're saying, but I don't think that it should be to that

1259
01:29:48,260 --> 01:29:49,140
level of concern.

1260
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,380
There's never been a problem with my building.

1261
01:29:51,580 --> 01:29:55,300
There's never been a fire because it's a landmark building.

1262
01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:59,960
no sprinkler systems required, no ADA is required because it's under, I think.

1263
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,900
14,000 square feet. Marty's been in the loops since day one. If he had a concern and he came to me and said,

1264
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:12,580
hey, what about this? What about that? I would have been open to it, but nobody afforded me that

1265
01:30:12,580 --> 01:30:19,760
courtesy. I'm sorry, are you willing to evaluate what you could do to surveil this building to ensure

1266
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:25,740
that if there is a fire or someone gets into it, that you know about it and can take care of it or

1267
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:30,960
not. I mean, there's just something you're willing to do, uh, to open up and to hear ideas,

1268
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:36,200
but I mean, are you, are you trying to hold me to a standard higher than other buildings

1269
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:41,780
of similar type? I don't think you are. I think, uh, you were not hearing as spursons,

1270
01:30:41,980 --> 01:30:50,480
you're hearing concern. Okay. And concern is sure. I think unanimously by all of my colleagues,

1271
01:30:51,260 --> 01:30:54,480
and you're hearing concern from the fire marshal.

1272
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,840
You're not hearing criticism or dispersions, you're hearing concern.

1273
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:00,460
That's a question.

1274
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:03,100
How do we deal with it?

1275
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:05,820
Mr. Fritz.

1276
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,340
Yeah, thank you.

1277
01:31:07,540 --> 01:31:08,740
I'm really frankly,

1278
01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:13,510
I appreciate the fact that you came,

1279
01:31:13,790 --> 01:31:16,130
Mr. Roddy, I've known you for a long time.

1280
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:20,670
I think a couple of things are persuading me.

1281
01:31:21,250 --> 01:31:31,750
One thing in particular, as Mr. Lamoye alluded to, this can has been kicked down the road for a very long time.

1282
01:31:32,230 --> 01:31:38,370
I was on the Code Enforcement Board 10 years ago, and you were here, and I don't think it was a different property.

1283
01:31:38,730 --> 01:31:42,070
The other thing that I'm persuaded by, if I may say, is Mr. Deloge.

1284
01:31:43,930 --> 01:31:51,390
We have an authority on safety and fire prevention and all that sort of thing, and without

1285
01:31:51,390 --> 01:31:57,030
putting words in Mr. the Lotus mouth, I think he's very, very concerned about the state

1286
01:31:57,030 --> 01:32:02,210
of this building and the potential for God forbid a disaster.

1287
01:32:03,090 --> 01:32:09,410
So, long story short, Mr. Klein, if we were prepared to make a motion, I would be happy

1288
01:32:09,410 --> 01:32:13,150
to do so, Mr. Lamoye, by all means, if whatever.

1289
01:32:13,150 --> 01:32:15,950
Why don't we try and see if you can come to a motion?

1290
01:32:17,190 --> 01:32:18,530
You may not like it, but I'm going to give it a try.

1291
01:32:20,050 --> 01:32:21,410
I've been out voting against that.

1292
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:23,230
I'll move the town's recommendation,

1293
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:25,210
a finding of noncompliance,

1294
01:32:25,490 --> 01:32:28,690
assessed administrative fee in the amount of $150 paid

1295
01:32:28,690 --> 01:32:30,830
within 30 days of the sorter,

1296
01:32:30,930 --> 01:32:33,530
and coming to compliance by June 23rd 2025,

1297
01:32:34,330 --> 01:32:37,730
or this case will return for fine consideration

1298
01:32:37,730 --> 01:32:42,670
at the June 26th, 2025 code board hearing.

1299
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:44,070
May I ask a second?

1300
01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:51,370
I would ask Mr. One more day, if he would like to make an addition to that motion by which he would...

1301
01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:52,290
Do we have a second?

1302
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:53,450
We have a second.

1303
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:54,170
Mr. Mahel.

1304
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:57,930
Maybe you would want to incorporate your simplicity?

1305
01:32:58,750 --> 01:33:05,470
Well, no, I just felt like you, even as much as I would like to shorten the time, I felt like

1306
01:33:05,470 --> 01:33:10,570
because the problems are similar and the can't be separated out, I think in all fairness

1307
01:33:10,570 --> 01:33:16,050
you just have to give them the 30 days and we've made a strong recommendation, which I

1308
01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:21,050
don't think we can require, which is when it comes to find consideration, one of the things

1309
01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:25,910
that first things I'm going to listen to is, yes, I did what the fire marshal said, I got

1310
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:31,610
security there, I got a temporary fire system put in and I got a full fire system put in

1311
01:33:31,610 --> 01:33:34,550
and that nobody was at risk during the period of time

1312
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:35,990
of whatever I was doing as construction.

1313
01:33:36,730 --> 01:33:39,730
So, you know, I don't think we can demand that.

1314
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:41,750
I don't think the code allows us to do that,

1315
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:46,230
but I think that we certainly at any point in time

1316
01:33:46,230 --> 01:33:47,750
with, we've made ourselves clear

1317
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:49,370
and should be clear on the record

1318
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:52,570
that whatever the fire marshal is recommended to us

1319
01:33:52,570 --> 01:33:54,970
should be a message allowed and clear to you

1320
01:33:54,970 --> 01:33:56,550
that at some point you're gonna come here

1321
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:57,750
before a fine consideration,

1322
01:33:58,270 --> 01:34:00,770
and we're gonna pay careful attention, at least I am.

1323
01:34:00,770 --> 01:34:09,570
If I'm here as to what was done to eliminate the concerns of the fire marshal at this time may I make a suggestion?

1324
01:34:11,370 --> 01:34:11,890
Sorry

1325
01:34:12,630 --> 01:34:19,870
Sorry, Mr. I already do many people at once. There's a motion in a second. It's just up for the board discuss the town turning wants the spook

1326
01:34:20,430 --> 01:34:24,550
Yeah, no with the motion in a second. This is just the discussion of the board now

1327
01:34:25,950 --> 01:34:28,590
Okay, Mr. Free do you have anything further? No, sure

1328
01:34:32,010 --> 01:34:45,730
I would only say the motion that I've made is quite clear 30 days and then you appear before us for fun consideration, Mr.

1329
01:34:45,790 --> 01:34:56,730
I think it's imperative on your part if I may say to bring before us within the next 30 days everything you can do to convince us that this thing is actually moving along.

1330
01:34:56,730 --> 01:34:59,870
And I really don't know another way to get you to do it.

1331
01:35:01,340 --> 01:35:03,660
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I want to say.

1332
01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:06,580
I want to say. Everybody, Mr. Rodney please.

1333
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:08,280
Mr. Freedom.

1334
01:35:08,860 --> 01:35:11,400
Okay, motion has been made and seconded.

1335
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:14,140
Okay. All in favor.

1336
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,600
Aye. Any opposed?

1337
01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:18,720
Motion passes.

1338
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:22,260
Mr. Rodney, we thank you for coming.

1339
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,180
Come with us.

1340
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,400
We look forward to seeing you next month.

1341
01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:40,620
And to hearing that progress has been made.

1342
01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:51,410
If I make substantial progress, then...

1343
01:35:56,650 --> 01:35:57,150
Mr.

1344
01:36:00,340 --> 01:36:02,860
Pelosi, please turn your microphone on.

1345
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:05,380
We can defer our fine consideration.

1346
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:10,020
If we feel that you've made progress, if it's been actionable and something's substantial,

1347
01:36:10,820 --> 01:36:13,680
we can make a fine have in that day.

1348
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:18,100
So it's something that's going to be that we'll have to be determined at the time.

1349
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:21,720
And that's why we had a hearing for it so that you can come up and please, in your case,

1350
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,940
to say this is why you shouldn't, or should we?

1351
01:36:24,220 --> 01:36:26,440
And for one, it's going to depend on you.

1352
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:28,180
I understand.

1353
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:31,200
That makes perfect, perfectly good sense.

1354
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:32,400
Thank you, sir.

1355
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:36,380
Okay.

1356
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:48,880
C-E-24-25-19, Officer Rodriguez to 99, Trade-Win Drive, is there any, well, no, go ahead.

1357
01:36:49,260 --> 01:36:49,460
Sorry.

1358
01:36:50,620 --> 01:36:59,740
Case number 24-2519, property address will be 299 trade wind, property on it will be

1359
01:36:59,740 --> 01:37:00,720
fae Fakoni.

1360
01:37:01,980 --> 01:37:05,800
Case on AX part A, hearing and saying, none, please proceed, sir.

1361
01:37:06,660 --> 01:37:09,200
This case was originally a calling complaint.

1362
01:37:09,260 --> 01:37:14,200
I originally expected this residential on December 6, 2024.

1363
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:23,940
Foundation final time will be section 18, dash 205, subsection A and section 18, dash 303

1364
01:37:23,940 --> 01:37:27,660
of the town of Palm Beach, good morning for placing artificial turf without

1365
01:37:27,660 --> 01:37:29,660
harcom and building permit.

1366
01:37:33,190 --> 01:37:45,380
A harcom permit was applied for the artificial turf on December 18, last year, 2024, the

1367
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:50,940
I remember remains in penance that it's us of this morning.

1368
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:57,140
I somewhat did reach out to me on behalf of the homeowner.

1369
01:38:00,660 --> 01:38:07,620
February 18, I guess that we're looking into doing other things besides the artificial turf

1370
01:38:07,620 --> 01:38:11,020
up front and wanted to add all together in the art compartment.

1371
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:21,560
Later after that, Bill de Parman, Frederick, mentioned to me that they were going in front

1372
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:27,920
of the Arcon Commission for March 26th of this year,

1373
01:38:31,060 --> 01:38:32,040
I been not hearing anything back

1374
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:40,280
from the homeowner since then, so I did reach out back to Frederick on March 28th and it seems

1375
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:47,560
like there was some, I think the homeowner, they didn't resummit it, so they didn't make

1376
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,500
it to the March meeting.

1377
01:38:50,940 --> 01:38:56,720
I did met Mrs. Faconey this morning, I'm perhaps she can explain what happened there,

1378
01:38:58,180 --> 01:39:03,720
but moving forward, I'd like to enter the notice violation letter into the report

1379
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:08,320
to the record, the time recommends fine of nine compliance,

1380
01:39:08,620 --> 01:39:13,080
assessment session fee in the amount of 150 to be paid within 30 days

1381
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,840
and to come into compliance by June 23rd, 2025,

1382
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:19,180
for this case where we turn for a fine consideration

1383
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:22,920
at the June 26th, 2025 court board hearing.

1384
01:39:25,340 --> 01:39:28,100
Okay, there's a board of any questions to the town.

1385
01:39:29,780 --> 01:39:31,140
Mr. Friedno?

1386
01:39:33,340 --> 01:39:34,220
No green light.

1387
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,140
Okay, is there anyone here to speak?

1388
01:39:38,420 --> 01:39:38,820
Yes.

1389
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:41,140
The church at the right hand and be sworn in.

1390
01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:44,020
Do you swear or affirm that the testimony about to give us the truth?

1391
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:45,320
The whole truth and nothing about the truth?

1392
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:47,240
The station name for the record?

1393
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:48,040
Faith, I'll come.

1394
01:39:48,260 --> 01:39:48,880
Thank you.

1395
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,120
I'm here with my contractor.

1396
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,060
Oh, I'm here with my, is that?

1397
01:39:57,300 --> 01:39:57,940
There you go.

1398
01:39:58,220 --> 01:39:58,500
Hello.

1399
01:39:58,880 --> 01:39:59,840
I'm here with my contractor.

1400
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,320
This is going to be speaking in half about the plans and everything that's going on with the

1401
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:11,000
R. Com, some middle. His name is James Keller.

1402
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,520
Please raise your right hand and be sworn. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony about

1403
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,820
to give? Is the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth?

1404
01:40:24,020 --> 01:40:24,480
How have you got?

1405
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:25,820
Station name for the record?

1406
01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:26,600
James Keller.

1407
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:29,940
Okay, will you please speak into the microphone?

1408
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:31,060
Yes sir.

1409
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:32,860
Thank you.

1410
01:40:32,860 --> 01:40:34,120
My name is James Kellard.

1411
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:35,640
I am a general contractor.

1412
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:39,680
They felt Cohen has hired me to do other work on the property.

1413
01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:43,340
When I was putting the plants together,

1414
01:40:43,580 --> 01:40:47,640
she brought the violation, the code violation

1415
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:51,020
for the turf issue, to my attention,

1416
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,040
and asked if I can help with it.

1417
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,720
Because the other person who had done this

1418
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:02,200
did submit to our come, and they came back with comments,

1419
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,640
and they weren't sure how to correct it.

1420
01:41:04,940 --> 01:41:09,760
So with being with the work that I was doing in the front, I could make some changes on

1421
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:16,700
our work to make the percentages work so that the turf that she has put in will work with

1422
01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:17,480
the property.

1423
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:25,020
So I've been working diligently to try to get these plans between the civil engineer, the structural

1424
01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:30,900
engineer, and the architect, which I do have signed and sealed plans in front of me today.

1425
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:40,100
And I plan on submitting to our come for my second time to get this approved and move forward to get a permit.

1426
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:48,840
In my permit, I have included and took over the responsibility of the turf issue with the code violation.

1427
01:41:49,740 --> 01:41:56,460
And my plans show that we have the 45% that's necessary in order for it to pass.

1428
01:41:56,460 --> 01:42:03,580
So I had to make some changes to my plan on the stuff that I was doing to make this work and

1429
01:42:03,580 --> 01:42:05,660
I now have everything that I need.

1430
01:42:06,140 --> 01:42:11,520
I'm doing the rest of the documents that I need to get together for the outcome and for the permit.

1431
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:19,920
And I'm expecting that my permit is going to take typically about six to eight weeks and the job to take about four months.

1432
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:24,660
So I'm asking for an extension to be able to complete the work.

1433
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:36,040
And I can show you guys today that this, that I have the paperwork that proves that we have the correct percentages that are needed for the code violation that she received.

1434
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:38,120
Okay, thank you, sir.

1435
01:42:38,420 --> 01:42:39,360
Mr. Pollock, sir.

1436
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:40,920
My question is actually through the town.

1437
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:44,000
Do you happen to know if this would be a staff approval?

1438
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:47,440
Or if they'd have to go in front of the Mr. Bergman.

1439
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:48,180
I'll stop by.

1440
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,620
Mr. Bergman, it's always good to see you, sir.

1441
01:42:52,620 --> 01:42:58,360
Hello, this is a difficult question to answer because all artificial turf goes to the

1442
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,380
ARCOM, the architecture review commission.

1443
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,820
And there's only limited areas of the art where it can be used.

1444
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:10,920
I believe what the gentleman is speaking to is the landscape open space percentage, so that's

1445
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:11,760
a zoning matter.

1446
01:43:11,940 --> 01:43:15,820
So it sounds like the zoning matter has been resolved, but it's not a permanent application

1447
01:43:15,820 --> 01:43:16,420
to ARCOM.

1448
01:43:16,420 --> 01:43:22,420
And our common minor, which takes up to three months, sometimes four, with proper notice

1449
01:43:22,420 --> 01:43:27,140
to neighbors, advertising, advertising in the paper, or getting it on an agenda, then it's

1450
01:43:27,140 --> 01:43:30,780
a very subjective review, as you, I'm sure you're aware of that.

1451
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,720
And then only if approved by our common would have come to the building department for a permit.

1452
01:43:35,540 --> 01:43:35,560
All right.

1453
01:43:35,940 --> 01:43:37,700
My concern was our timing.

1454
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:38,760
Thank you.

1455
01:43:40,740 --> 01:43:41,340
Nice to meet you.

1456
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:42,820
Mr. Cohen, please.

1457
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:44,020
Yes, I was just curious.

1458
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:49,160
This turf is laid out at the moment.

1459
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,740
If it would just roll off and put aside, without big appliance,

1460
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,160
so it wouldn't that be as simple.

1461
01:43:56,420 --> 01:43:58,700
For removal, would be compliance, yes.

1462
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:02,740
Mr. Roberts.

1463
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:06,400
Just in the past, we've allowed people to, their time.

1464
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,440
I'm just, my understanding is compliance is a building permit.

1465
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,800
Because of where you, and I'm a little bit confused about where you are in the process,

1466
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,320
because obviously I think you should try to get some time because you want to get it done.

1467
01:44:21,460 --> 01:44:27,860
Are you scheduled on our com yet, or are you just have the person who has already gone through

1468
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:28,080
one?

1469
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,980
No, I'm getting ready to submit the documents for the second round, which is all the corrections

1470
01:44:34,980 --> 01:44:36,280
per day comments.

1471
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:42,920
And basically the code that the building official was talking about was the turf as long

1472
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:49,460
It's not seen from the street that it would be okay. This is Turf is that's laid around her pool and her backyard

1473
01:44:49,460 --> 01:44:59,940
It is not seen from the street and I went ahead and we adjusted some of the driveway works. She's having me do to make sure that we came up with the 45% and

1474
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,240
I have all the things that I have to go through to make this happen.

1475
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:09,420
Have you tried? Can I just follow? Have you tried getting turf through our com before?

1476
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:12,000
I've heard about the turf.

1477
01:45:12,440 --> 01:45:16,480
I just think we need to talk to our com.

1478
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:23,360
And I was told that as long as the only way that it would work is if it was not seen from the street.

1479
01:45:23,860 --> 01:45:25,460
And this is what the case is here.

1480
01:45:25,460 --> 01:45:27,260
But let me ask you a question, sir.

1481
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:28,040
Can I just finish?

1482
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,840
You understand compliance is just getting the building permit.

1483
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:35,600
So to not actually do the installation to get to compliance.

1484
01:45:36,020 --> 01:45:41,260
How much time do you think you need to get through the RECOMP between now and your RECOMP process?

1485
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:46,280
I'm going to submit next week to the next RECOMM meeting.

1486
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:48,060
I want to see how that goes.

1487
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:54,600
And then I believe I have all the information that I need to go through RECOMP.

1488
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,240
three months or months. I'm just trying to get it to handle all of what you've been doing.

1489
01:45:58,820 --> 01:46:05,180
Okay. It's going to be on our next month, pending our comments, approve everything.

1490
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:10,500
They've got six to eight weeks from that point of next month before they would actually have a permit issued.

1491
01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:12,880
So if that helps you.

1492
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:13,980
So you've got to keep adding.

1493
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,080
I want to ask the question sir.

1494
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:23,060
My colleague, unlike my colleague, I'm more like Nikki Haley. I don't do confusion.

1495
01:46:24,860 --> 01:46:28,320
seems to me the issue is fairly clear.

1496
01:46:29,260 --> 01:46:34,140
You've installed artificial turf without our comaproval.

1497
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,640
Am I correct so far?

1498
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:38,480
No, I have no.

1499
01:46:39,260 --> 01:46:39,980
I have nuts.

1500
01:46:40,460 --> 01:46:42,180
And not you, but the owner has.

1501
01:46:42,340 --> 01:46:45,060
There is artificial turf and there's no our comaproval.

1502
01:46:45,660 --> 01:46:49,000
Yes, there has been turf installed.

1503
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,320
So that's my issue.

1504
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:52,180
Understood.

1505
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:55,420
And I am quite familiar with the problem.

1506
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:04,520
I don't want to pre-empt Mr. Bergman, but unless and approval is not guaranteed with

1507
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:10,220
our come, but unless and until you get approval, the only other choice for compliance

1508
01:47:10,220 --> 01:47:12,460
is to remove the artificial turf.

1509
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:21,360
So even if we extended you time, and my guess is it would have to be my guess three months,

1510
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:27,640
four months easily for you to get the approval without that approval you are not

1511
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:28,380
in compliance.

1512
01:47:31,180 --> 01:47:34,180
If we do not get that approval I will roll up the top to

1513
01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:38,920
turn from put side back down around the I believe I just want to higher

1514
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:43,440
up there the problem is is to move the turf at this point would leave don't

1515
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:48,200
around her pool. So I'm trying to just get the process and that's why I've been

1516
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,860
working on the plans to make this work. Okay but I just wanted to simplify my own

1517
01:47:51,860 --> 01:47:53,700
Thank you.

1518
01:47:53,700 --> 01:47:54,660
Thank you sir.

1519
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:56,980
Any other questions?

1520
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:02,500
Anybody would like to make a motion?

1521
01:48:04,220 --> 01:48:05,040
I'll make a motion.

1522
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,780
I feel a little more sympathetic than you, but that's okay.

1523
01:48:12,740 --> 01:48:20,280
I would make a motion in the case of CE242519-299-treedwind that a five-ton of non-compliance

1524
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:30,400
to be paid within 30 days of this order and to come into compliance by, I'm going to say

1525
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:36,940
October 13th or to return for our August or October meeting

1526
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,600
for a fine consideration.

1527
01:48:41,620 --> 01:48:42,120
Okay.

1528
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:43,020
Okay.

1529
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:43,240
Okay.

1530
01:48:43,380 --> 01:48:45,960
I motioned and made and seconded by Ms. Sama.

1531
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:48,260
Is there any further discussion?

1532
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:50,120
Mr. Booker.

1533
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:58,000
As a reminder, it sometimes happens that if you're not in compliance and you don't show up,

1534
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:03,200
you just make sure you put that on your book and make sure that the town is agreed

1535
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,020
that you're in compliance before that time.

1536
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:10,640
Otherwise, we have no other option to issue fines at that point.

1537
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:12,220
Okay.

1538
01:49:12,580 --> 01:49:14,460
All in favor of the welcome, please say aye.

1539
01:49:14,620 --> 01:49:15,000
Aye.

1540
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:15,920
Any opposed?

1541
01:49:16,460 --> 01:49:17,160
Motion pass.

1542
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:18,180
Thank you.

1543
01:49:18,180 --> 01:49:19,560
Thank you very much for coming.

1544
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:24,670
Okay.

1545
01:49:25,190 --> 01:49:27,410
Office of Pileo is good to see you.

1546
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:32,130
Even though I didn't see you last night.

1547
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:38,790
This is case number 25-235.

1548
01:49:39,190 --> 01:49:41,810
Property address is 644 North Lake Way.

1549
01:49:42,370 --> 01:49:44,610
Homeowner is Kenneth and Nicolette Tice.

1550
01:49:46,170 --> 01:49:48,990
Sorry, I had to party communications hearing and seeing none.

1551
01:49:49,190 --> 01:49:49,670
Please proceed.

1552
01:49:50,190 --> 01:49:52,690
Continue with case 25-235.

1553
01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:57,890
The original of the case was a routine inspection, single-family homestead.

1554
01:49:58,130 --> 01:49:59,970
I originally inspected on February 6, 2020.

1555
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,360
1525. The violation found was Section 88-16 of the town code ordinance for a steer of property, and

1556
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:13,340
prematurely be maintained clean, safe, and sanitary conditions. I did take pictures and

1557
01:50:13,340 --> 01:50:18,560
would like to put them in the record. The notice of violation was that there was received

1558
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:24,980
in April 7, 2025. I would like to enter the notice in record. As of today, they are not in compliance.

1559
01:50:26,820 --> 01:50:30,960
That is the exterior of the property.

1560
01:50:32,020 --> 01:50:35,020
There is chip pain on the windows.

1561
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:40,540
They did come into compliance with for the roofing with the mill do on it.

1562
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:46,660
I do have a recommendation for the town, although the homeowner did request for time via

1563
01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:51,100
email due to health problems and will be back in town to July 1st of 2025.

1564
01:50:52,580 --> 01:50:56,460
Okay, there's a board of any questions of a town.

1565
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,680
Hearing and seeing Mr. Raghaw.

1566
01:51:02,900 --> 01:51:07,180
Yes, Officer, did you say that the owner is not back in Teltsalai first?

1567
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:07,660
Yes.

1568
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:12,940
Or what's your thought on us extending this until they come back?

1569
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:13,920
You comfortable with that?

1570
01:51:16,340 --> 01:51:18,080
He really should have given more time.

1571
01:51:18,300 --> 01:51:20,120
So August 21st, Cold War Hearing.

1572
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,400
Since they're trying to come into compliance,

1573
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,780
I did clean up the middle on the roof,

1574
01:51:25,060 --> 01:51:27,460
they only need to paint the property, that's it.

1575
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,240
All right, so they are working on your orders.

1576
01:51:30,420 --> 01:51:32,200
All right, thank you.

1577
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:34,840
OK, thank you for the question.

1578
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:36,280
Seeing and hearing others,

1579
01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:39,920
are anyone here from the public or the homeowner to speak?

1580
01:51:40,900 --> 01:51:41,560
They're out of town.

1581
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,040
I have to do it for the record, I think.

1582
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:47,820
Hearing and seeing none.

1583
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:50,180
Mr. McGowan, I'm making motion.

1584
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:56,740
I'll make a motion to, on case, where am I here, right?

1585
01:51:57,140 --> 01:52:03,020
25 dash at 235, finding of non-compliance and assessed administrative fee in the amount of

1586
01:52:03,020 --> 01:52:11,040
$150 to be paid within 30 days of this order, and to come into compliance by August 18th, 18th,

1587
01:52:11,540 --> 01:52:14,700
225, where the case will return for fine consideration.

1588
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:16,840
There is second.

1589
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:17,960
Good.

1590
01:52:18,380 --> 01:52:19,560
Motion's been made in second.

1591
01:52:19,860 --> 01:52:20,580
Mr. Burger?

1592
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:23,180
He wants to say aye.

1593
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:25,600
All in favor say aye.

1594
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:26,780
Any opposed?

1595
01:52:26,780 --> 01:52:27,600
Motion passes.

1596
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:28,940
Thank you.

1597
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:32,900
Making sure you didn't want to ask another question.

1598
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:34,480
Okay.

1599
01:52:39,730 --> 01:52:43,370
I think we're at 25, 5, 22.

1600
01:52:45,230 --> 01:52:46,110
Officer Felix.

1601
01:52:46,590 --> 01:52:46,950
Good afternoon.

1602
01:52:49,610 --> 01:53:00,770
Next case is case number CE, 25-52, probably address is 336, South County Road, and probably

1603
01:53:00,770 --> 01:53:03,750
on address 336, partners, and.

1604
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:08,210
Okay, there's only expertic communication here and seeing none, please proceed, sir.

1605
01:53:08,650 --> 01:53:16,770
Continue on the case number CE, 25-52, this case was self-initiated, it's a commercial building

1606
01:53:16,770 --> 01:53:21,450
which I originally expected on March 4th, 2025.

1607
01:53:22,610 --> 01:53:26,270
And the violation of the time was violation of chapter 88,

1608
01:53:26,990 --> 01:53:31,430
section 88, that's 18, and 88, that's 16 of the time

1609
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:35,150
of published code of ordinances, exterior maintenance.

1610
01:53:38,910 --> 01:53:43,850
Notice of violation was delivered on April 7, 2025.

1611
01:53:44,970 --> 01:53:47,970
And pictures were taken at the time of my inspection.

1612
01:53:48,490 --> 01:53:55,410
I would like to enter the pictures and the return of we see, return, mail, we sit into the

1613
01:53:55,410 --> 01:54:04,520
worker and if I can directly attention to the screen, this is some of the pictures I took

1614
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:14,220
during my inspection as you can see the tone awning and some cracks on the building, I mean

1615
01:54:14,220 --> 01:54:16,700
I'm tall on all around the building

1616
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:23,940
and some of our stains, some paint peeling off,

1617
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:29,300
some

1618
01:54:29,300 --> 01:54:31,720
more cracks and paint spilling of the building,

1619
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,020
basically most of the cracks, pictures,

1620
01:54:43,580 --> 01:54:43,580
and

1621
01:54:43,580 --> 01:54:47,180
some mildew around the building as well.

1622
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:57,460
So the tower accommodation is a fighting of non-compliance, as says 150,000,000 cost to be

1623
01:54:57,460 --> 01:54:59,780
2020 fell to achieve compliance.

1624
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:07,800
And if compliance is not met, this case will be turned for a fine-considuous and on June 26th, 2025.

1625
01:55:09,140 --> 01:55:11,600
Okay, my colleagues have any questions of officer Felix.

1626
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:16,090
This may be a first officer Felix.

1627
01:55:17,710 --> 01:55:20,450
Is this building next to Mr. Roddy's by agent?

1628
01:55:21,170 --> 01:55:21,690
Yes.

1629
01:55:23,110 --> 01:55:23,570
That's good.

1630
01:55:24,250 --> 01:55:25,970
It's funny that I just said that.

1631
01:55:25,970 --> 01:55:26,190
Good.

1632
01:55:26,850 --> 01:55:28,250
The address looked awfully familiar.

1633
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:38,450
But the property on a did call me and requested more time, and at the time I, and she requested

1634
01:55:38,450 --> 01:55:44,010
more time and she felt like that we were picking on her because she said she was next

1635
01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:47,870
to a road and if I stayed building and nothing is being done about that building.

1636
01:55:48,730 --> 01:55:53,730
And I told her there were some cases open on that building and that building would be coming

1637
01:55:53,730 --> 01:55:55,570
to court but as well.

1638
01:55:56,850 --> 01:56:03,130
Okay I was I was gonna say is anyone here to speak to the issue I think there is so welcome

1639
01:56:03,770 --> 01:56:09,410
Please raise your right hand and be sworn in do you swear or affirm that the testimony about to give is the truth?

1640
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:13,110
The whole truth and nothing but the truth so have you got state your name for the record

1641
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:15,370
Please push the button

1642
01:56:15,370 --> 01:56:17,310
Just a there is a

1643
01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:23,130
Colleen or eco I'm sorry. Colleen or we go thank you

1644
01:56:23,130 --> 01:56:29,070
That was my sister who said that you were picking on her, and I was sent here because they're out of town.

1645
01:56:30,350 --> 01:56:42,130
I have two contracts, one for American awning, and one for Hartsel, which we've both secured deposits with,

1646
01:56:42,670 --> 01:56:46,790
that will be starting immediately as soon as they get the permits.

1647
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:52,810
I don't know.

1648
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:58,430
I have the permits been applied for at this time, you know.

1649
01:56:58,770 --> 01:57:01,950
I believe so.

1650
01:57:02,810 --> 01:57:07,910
Okay, because that's sort of what the issue before us is, you know, compliance, means you have to have a permit.

1651
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:09,130
Get a permit.

1652
01:57:10,130 --> 01:57:16,530
So if you have gotten the permit, nice to have the contracts, but we need to know what the status is on that.

1653
01:57:16,530 --> 01:57:21,150
I checked this morning. There's no permit application as of this morning.

1654
01:57:21,570 --> 01:57:23,730
No permit application? No.

1655
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:25,030
No. Okay. Thank you, Officer Phil.

1656
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:29,790
Okay. I think the question is self-evident, but what are you asking us to do?

1657
01:57:31,710 --> 01:57:32,890
I assume you want more time.

1658
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:34,950
Oh, I guess.

1659
01:57:35,670 --> 01:57:36,670
How much time do you want?

1660
01:57:38,490 --> 01:57:40,450
As much time as I don't know.

1661
01:57:41,770 --> 01:57:47,370
I mean, I'll just go back and give this to my sisters when they get back on Monday.

1662
01:57:48,830 --> 01:57:54,210
I'm just the babies of age, and then they'll take care of it immediately.

1663
01:57:54,670 --> 01:57:56,810
We don't want to penalize you for your honesty.

1664
01:58:01,030 --> 01:58:02,390
That's all.

1665
01:58:02,690 --> 01:58:08,290
What is compliance repairing the cracks?

1666
01:58:08,590 --> 01:58:09,910
That's all in here.

1667
01:58:10,370 --> 01:58:11,110
We can't do that.

1668
01:58:11,110 --> 01:58:11,630
We can't do that.

1669
01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:17,350
We can't do that.

1670
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:19,870
to get all this done.

1671
01:58:20,590 --> 01:58:21,810
Do you tell them that you'll get a raise?

1672
01:58:22,150 --> 01:58:23,270
Because you did such a great job.

1673
01:58:23,810 --> 01:58:24,930
I can't tell.

1674
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:25,890
I can't.

1675
01:58:25,890 --> 01:58:26,430
We can't do that.

1676
01:58:27,030 --> 01:58:30,130
But you think that's based on what little, you know, about it,

1677
01:58:30,370 --> 01:58:30,730
casually.

1678
01:58:31,210 --> 01:58:33,610
You think that that gives you enough time.

1679
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:35,610
I think that's the way the system works.

1680
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:36,970
You're not compliant.

1681
01:58:37,110 --> 01:58:39,490
You find consideration hearing.

1682
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:41,390
You said sometime in the future.

1683
01:58:42,410 --> 01:58:44,970
And of course, sit your sister next time and say,

1684
01:58:44,970 --> 01:58:49,130
You gotta go back and tell them either we're in compliance or this and why we haven't been in compliance.

1685
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:51,230
That's the way it's done the way it works.

1686
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:58,030
So on Monday when she gets back to work and calls these fine fellas, then how long does it take to get a permit?

1687
01:58:58,650 --> 01:59:01,630
Well, you got to, that's usually the people that are involved.

1688
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:03,850
You know, on any company, I can see right there.

1689
01:59:04,170 --> 01:59:07,490
They know the system so well, they'll get you a permit within a week.

1690
01:59:07,570 --> 01:59:07,790
Okay.

1691
01:59:07,890 --> 01:59:13,790
The contractor to do the patch and repair that he's got to probably do something with a building department to get some approvals.

1692
01:59:13,790 --> 01:59:14,870
that's a little more complicated.

1693
01:59:15,410 --> 01:59:17,370
But we can't give you advice in that regard.

1694
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:20,490
But for our practical standpoint, I look at it

1695
01:59:20,490 --> 01:59:25,410
and I think 90 to 120 days, you should be able to.

1696
01:59:26,410 --> 01:59:28,870
And then you can go work on the guy next door.

1697
01:59:29,110 --> 01:59:30,630
OK, Ms. Sato.

1698
01:59:32,590 --> 01:59:36,290
You have those sign contracts?

1699
01:59:38,510 --> 01:59:42,150
I mean, you have agreed to each one of them.

1700
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:54,240
You know, I apologize that they, they, they, they're out of wedding and they just handed me this folder yesterday and said take this over to town.

1701
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:56,780
So.

1702
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,940
Well, are these going to be?

1703
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,140
I don't know if these are the, those are not. That's my question. I don't know if there are others that have been sent to them.

1704
02:00:08,660 --> 02:00:11,660
Yeah. Okay, Mr. One more, are you still going to suggest 90 days?

1705
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:14,320
Yeah, I'm going to ask you to increase the 1, 2020.

1706
02:00:14,940 --> 02:00:15,520
Not very well.

1707
02:00:17,260 --> 02:00:26,960
So, I'd like to make a motion with regard to case number C, 25, dash, 5, 2, 2, 3, 6, south, county road,

1708
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:40,840
three, three, six partners ink, that the finding of dying compliance assessed an administrative fee in the amount of $150 to be paid within 30 days of the day to the sort, to come into compliance by September 15.

1709
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:51,340
September 15th, 2025, or this case will return for fine consideration at the September 18th, September 18th, 2025, code would be second.

1710
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:56,940
Okay. Motion's been made and seconded Mr. McGowan any questions? All in favor say aye.

1711
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:58,400
Aye. Any opposed?

1712
02:00:58,960 --> 02:00:59,540
Thank you.

1713
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:01,620
Don't get it deteriorated any more please.

1714
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,720
Tell the others you did a very good job.

1715
02:01:14,580 --> 02:01:16,960
Okay. Fine considerations.

1716
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:23,300
And number A, a letter A, 2842 South Ocean Boulevard.

1717
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,380
Office of Moriari, again, it's good to see you, sir.

1718
02:01:27,020 --> 02:01:28,180
I haven't gone anywhere.

1719
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:28,840
Why?

1720
02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:32,040
You have capable colleagues.

1721
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:36,140
This is fine consideration case 25-136.

1722
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:40,760
The property address is 2842 South Ocean Boulevard.

1723
02:01:40,820 --> 02:01:41,980
Tide line resort.

1724
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:47,120
Is there any expertise hearing and seeing none?

1725
02:01:48,140 --> 02:01:50,980
We did get the emails on this.

1726
02:01:51,860 --> 02:01:54,420
Yeah, did you all receive your email regarding the tideline?

1727
02:01:54,540 --> 02:01:55,120
Yes.

1728
02:01:55,500 --> 02:01:56,160
So everyone's declaring.

1729
02:01:56,700 --> 02:01:57,220
How are you?

1730
02:01:59,700 --> 02:01:59,920
Okay.

1731
02:02:00,260 --> 02:02:00,380
Okay.

1732
02:02:00,660 --> 02:02:01,260
Please proceed.

1733
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:06,280
Continuing case 25-136-2842 South Ocean Boulevard.

1734
02:02:06,740 --> 02:02:09,820
The owner is 2842 South Ocean LLC.

1735
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,240
As a reminder to the board,

1736
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:14,340
this case concerns fire code violations.

1737
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:19,060
The case was heard at the April 17, 2025 code board hearing.

1738
02:02:19,580 --> 02:02:24,060
The property was found in non-compliance and given until May 12th to achieve compliance.

1739
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,960
As of today, May 15th, 2025, the property is still in violation.

1740
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:36,920
The town's recommendation is a $250 daily fine, beginning on May 13th, 2025.

1741
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,340
This is the day after compliance was ordered.

1742
02:02:39,340 --> 02:02:42,680
to remain in effect until such a time when compliance is achieved.

1743
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:45,520
Okay,

1744
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:55,040
Mr. Klein.

1745
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:56,040
I have a question.

1746
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:00,100
Do we have no questions to the town except for me?

1747
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:11,420
I was a little puzzled to note that the fire marshals report was dated January 8.

1748
02:03:12,100 --> 02:03:16,120
And here we are May 15.

1749
02:03:17,420 --> 02:03:35,480
And it's the first, I'm just a little puzzle as to why I don't, I don't know if the fire

1750
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:37,420
Marshall wants to say anything.

1751
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:43,360
Hello, sir.

1752
02:03:43,860 --> 02:03:46,480
Hello, Jimmy doing fire inspector for a Palmish fire rescue.

1753
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:51,560
So we did the inspection, this started back in August of last year.

1754
02:03:52,620 --> 02:03:55,500
They didn't have an inspection in 2023 due to all the renovations.

1755
02:03:55,660 --> 02:03:58,080
We went by there several times, it was under construction.

1756
02:03:58,540 --> 02:04:00,440
We went in August, did the inspection.

1757
02:04:01,720 --> 02:04:04,020
Following that, we went back for several re-inspection.

1758
02:04:05,020 --> 02:04:06,140
Nothing was accomplished.

1759
02:04:07,420 --> 02:04:09,420
I believe they had several management changes.

1760
02:04:10,300 --> 02:04:12,500
They were aware of what had to be done.

1761
02:04:12,500 --> 02:04:21,680
I went this morning and did a follow-up inspection to see where they were at, after receiving emails of a report, you know, what was completed and what if confirm it.

1762
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:25,320
They did make pretty good progress. There was a lot done.

1763
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:29,980
There are some things that are, they can't complete just yet. They have parts on order.

1764
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:34,650
They have contracts for sprinkler work, being done, fire alarm work, being done.

1765
02:04:35,500 --> 02:04:39,400
So I would say that they have made significant progress.

1766
02:04:41,140 --> 02:04:46,000
Okay, have there any questions for the fire Marshall, Mr. Armourian?

1767
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:54,740
What's where we, where you were before and where you are now, how much longer do you think it will take to complete the work that was required?

1768
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:59,980
So, probably the biggest amount of work that they have to do that would take a little time.

1769
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,440
Or it is probably the sprinkler and fire alarm work. I know that, like, as yesterday morning, I was there,

1770
02:05:07,580 --> 02:05:13,240
they were doing, I was doing radio testing there, some of the fire alarm work. I wasn't there for that

1771
02:05:13,240 --> 02:05:18,340
part of the inspection. It wasn't done. I went back this morning that it was done. So, they are actively

1772
02:05:18,340 --> 02:05:24,140
working every day. I would say, you know, within the next 60 days, they should be in compliance.

1773
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:34,600
Would you recommend to give them an additional 60 days to come into compliance based on your dealings with how they've been approaching?

1774
02:05:35,420 --> 02:05:39,840
I would say that if we're going to give the 60 days that they come back next month

1775
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:44,540
and we see the progress in a significant more significant progress isn't done.

1776
02:05:46,180 --> 02:05:48,200
So you would be able to inspect the dealings.

1777
02:05:48,220 --> 02:05:51,040
We can inspect a lot.

1778
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,080
We can inspect every day every one or two.

1779
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:59,060
Elberto, which is one of the representatives, I'm not sure of his last name, he is

1780
02:05:59,060 --> 02:06:04,760
sending emails, pretty routinely now, showing whatever something's done, he sends it.

1781
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:12,940
So, two lights, Mr. McGowan, then Mr. Fried,

1782
02:06:15,580 --> 02:06:20,620
my question is, this is a hotel and is the

1783
02:06:20,620 --> 02:06:23,340
is the fire alarm system functional?

1784
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:24,720
Or alarm system is functional?

1785
02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:25,540
It is functional.

1786
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:27,120
And how about the sprinkler system?

1787
02:06:27,220 --> 02:06:28,700
The sprinkler is functional as well.

1788
02:06:29,420 --> 02:06:35,740
So do you, you know, we have, you know, lots of inspections, they do a yearly inspection

1789
02:06:35,740 --> 02:06:36,560
on the sprinkler system.

1790
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:40,540
Unless it's perfect, they red tag it, and they have to do repairs.

1791
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:41,680
This is similar.

1792
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:47,720
There was, you know, far more repairs than normal building, which they've already corrected

1793
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:48,680
some of them.

1794
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:54,720
So, so you don't view any life safety issues then at the moment on this facility?

1795
02:06:55,620 --> 02:06:56,820
No. Okay. Thank you.

1796
02:06:57,060 --> 02:06:57,520
Mr. Fridge.

1797
02:06:57,820 --> 02:07:01,400
Yeah, just John had asked one of my questions.

1798
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:03,020
Is the building occupied?

1799
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:04,320
The building is occupied.

1800
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:05,440
Okay.

1801
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:05,640
Thanks.

1802
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:07,500
Okay. I just have one question.

1803
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,780
I may have to withdraw my Nikki Haley comparison

1804
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:13,560
because I'm still confused.

1805
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:17,180
I have a town recommendation in front of me for a daily running fine

1806
02:07:17,180 --> 02:07:22,360
and that I sense the consensus of the group here is to give you more time.

1807
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:25,140
So, which is it?

1808
02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:31,380
Well, I guess in defense of that, you know, up until the last meeting's point, nothing was done.

1809
02:07:31,700 --> 02:07:36,540
You know, in since last meeting, we were here last month, the significant amount of work was completed.

1810
02:07:37,960 --> 02:07:44,040
I trust when I met with Alberto this morning, he's very persistent on getting this work done.

1811
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:47,420
I do, I do think he'll get it accomplished.

1812
02:07:49,340 --> 02:07:49,920
I'm sorry.

1813
02:07:49,940 --> 02:07:50,580
I'm sorry.

1814
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:51,800
Mr. Poros.

1815
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:53,520
Yeah, my question is.

1816
02:07:54,160 --> 02:08:02,060
So what we received as our expertise was about 10 pages worth of incidents that you go through.

1817
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:07,300
If you say that a large amount of work has been done, just a bulk park as well.

1818
02:08:07,300 --> 02:08:09,420
I would say I don't know the exact numbers.

1819
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:12,500
We'll say there was 30 violations initially.

1820
02:08:12,500 --> 02:08:19,500
Okay, there's probably seven, eight left left, yeah. Okay, that's great.

1821
02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:22,460
Okay, so representative of the title.

1822
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:24,580
Yeah, I'm the general manager of the title.

1823
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:25,540
I'm the name of the title.

1824
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:26,860
Be sworn in.

1825
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,660
Do you swear or affirm that the testimony about to give is the truth?

1826
02:08:29,660 --> 02:08:31,280
The whole truth and nothing about the truth of the guy?

1827
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:31,860
Yes, I do.

1828
02:08:31,860 --> 02:08:33,020
Please state your name for the record.

1829
02:08:33,660 --> 02:08:34,740
Yes, Marko Cardillo.

1830
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:36,040
I'm sorry, Michael.

1831
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:37,000
Cardillo.

1832
02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:40,220
I'm the general manager of the title.

1833
02:08:40,220 --> 02:08:45,620
I'm quite new, I'm young, I start in March, and definitely, yes, I mean we're working hardly

1834
02:08:45,620 --> 02:08:50,120
I mean to have this done, there are some parts I mean I've been ordered, they're just coming

1835
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:55,560
I mean and I have even the note I mean here to show you to you, but definitely it's our first

1836
02:08:55,560 --> 02:09:01,900
priority I mean to have this done. How much time would you like? I would like 90 days with monthly

1837
02:09:01,900 --> 02:09:08,500
report, I mean of our follow up, but that's 60 days I mean you won't, we will work hard it,

1838
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:11,820
to be comfortable in 90 days, I'm going to be doing it.

1839
02:09:15,180 --> 02:09:18,320
My sympathetic colleagues on the left here.

1840
02:09:19,900 --> 02:09:22,180
I would ask the professional.

1841
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:24,340
Would he be comfortable with that?

1842
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:32,790
No, I would just say that I would have to see significant progress,

1843
02:09:32,890 --> 02:09:35,090
you know, more progress in the next month.

1844
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:38,070
You know, I think that the repairs that are left to be done

1845
02:09:38,070 --> 02:09:40,030
could get done pretty fast.

1846
02:09:40,450 --> 02:09:40,550
Okay.

1847
02:09:40,990 --> 02:09:53,210
There's nothing, there's nothing that is outstanding that I don't think they have to get parts like any length of time, it's going to take to get them in, it's just a matter of getting the work done now.

1848
02:09:53,770 --> 02:09:55,590
Okay, I think Mr. Loach wants to say something.

1849
02:09:59,180 --> 02:09:59,600
I'm sorry.

1850
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:07,960
Mr. Klein, you were right, the initial documentation you saw was dated quite a bit before we started with the code board.

1851
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:14,000
So this has been going on for quite a while. The fact that the last month they took a serious is nice.

1852
02:10:14,540 --> 02:10:17,140
I wouldn't want to see it go any longer than 30 days.

1853
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:23,980
All right. Carla, you want to say something?

1854
02:10:23,980 --> 02:10:27,980
I'm just wondering if we're going to do a postponement, or are we?

1855
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,600
I think that depends on my colleague. Mr. Fried.

1856
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:33,460
I'll make a motion. Please.

1857
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:43,560
As regards to case number CE25-136, I would make a motion that we defer this matter

1858
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:49,580
for 30 days until our June meeting June 26.

1859
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:55,580
Second, okay. Motion has been made in second. Any question? Mr. Brooker?

1860
02:10:55,860 --> 02:11:01,260
Any other? You're about ready to chime in. Okay. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1861
02:11:02,740 --> 02:11:03,420
Thank you, sir.

1862
02:11:08,970 --> 02:11:14,290
Okay. B. 2730, South Ocean Boulevard, Palm Beach, Ambassador.

1863
02:11:15,110 --> 02:11:16,990
Officer Felix. Yes, sir.

1864
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:21,350
Next case is case number C.E.

1865
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:27,730
2-5-4-0, property address is 27-37-30-13-4-4,

1866
02:11:27,850 --> 02:11:30,250
property on this name is in Palm Beach,

1867
02:11:30,410 --> 02:11:32,690
Ambassador Free Barrow as LLC.

1868
02:11:35,230 --> 02:11:36,930
Is there any x-party communication?

1869
02:11:37,150 --> 02:11:37,890
Yes, there is.

1870
02:11:38,030 --> 02:11:39,230
I've had some.

1871
02:11:40,510 --> 02:11:42,610
So I'll start off.

1872
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:44,010
Welcome, sir.

1873
02:11:44,130 --> 02:11:45,050
It's good to see you again.

1874
02:11:45,430 --> 02:11:46,590
Good to see you.

1875
02:11:48,030 --> 02:11:55,190
I saw the entirety of Mr. Bergman's presentation yesterday.

1876
02:11:56,650 --> 02:11:58,130
I heard his remarks.

1877
02:11:59,430 --> 02:12:03,010
I saw the entirety of your presentation yesterday.

1878
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:11,350
I also had a purely social lunch with Michael McCarty,

1879
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:21,530
But at one point he did express his view that this matter be heard by the town council yesterday, which it was.

1880
02:12:23,150 --> 02:12:27,350
I think that pretty much covers all mine.

1881
02:12:27,730 --> 02:12:30,710
I thought Mr. Bergman's presentation was quite good.

1882
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:33,270
And I'm looking forward to hearing from him again.

1883
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,340
Officer, please proceed.

1884
02:12:41,480 --> 02:12:42,560
Mr. Wife.

1885
02:12:43,320 --> 02:12:44,960
Not beside the email that we received.

1886
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:47,140
Okay. Everybody received the email.

1887
02:12:47,620 --> 02:12:49,260
So everybody's declaring export tag.

1888
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:51,340
Thank you.

1889
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:52,740
Okay.

1890
02:12:52,740 --> 02:12:54,260
Everything else I'll call.

1891
02:12:56,980 --> 02:12:57,140
Continue.

1892
02:12:58,600 --> 02:12:59,220
Okay.

1893
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:00,740
Opposition Felix.

1894
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:04,280
Continuity case number CE25-40.

1895
02:13:05,260 --> 02:13:06,380
As I've invited to the board,

1896
02:13:06,380 --> 02:13:12,180
case involve exterior maintenance and unsafe structure. This case was before the board

1897
02:13:12,180 --> 02:13:20,180
doing the April 17th, 2025 board hearing and the board order to postpone five

1898
02:13:20,180 --> 02:13:27,280
consideration until mid-15 2025 called enforcement board hearing at which time the

1899
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:31,760
property owner or representative will return to address the board and give an

1900
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:35,040
of it, and of what the rest of the debate is.

1901
02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:39,360
Mr. Bergwin looks like he wants to speak.

1902
02:13:41,540 --> 02:13:44,460
We rely on you extensively, Mr. Bergwin.

1903
02:13:46,730 --> 02:13:49,090
Hello, again, I have some pictures that we're taking.

1904
02:13:49,250 --> 02:13:53,490
I'd like to put up on the screen four pages of pictures

1905
02:13:54,370 --> 02:13:57,870
over the last month that I've been out there five times

1906
02:13:57,870 --> 02:14:01,110
to the property since this became an issue

1907
02:14:01,110 --> 02:14:08,690
this board. It's been 28 days since our last meeting on this. I've received three detailed

1908
02:14:08,690 --> 02:14:15,110
status reports from the owner, which they provided on a regular basis explaining exactly

1909
02:14:15,110 --> 02:14:21,990
what they've done and a little bit of a look ahead. All of the balcony work, the

1910
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:27,050
shoring work, and all of the pool deck shoring work is complete, and that was complete

1911
02:14:27,050 --> 02:14:28,890
on the 30th of April.

1912
02:14:29,530 --> 02:14:31,950
The pool was also drained, completely.

1913
02:14:34,210 --> 02:14:38,510
The lani building, which is the western part of the ambassador, closest to the road,

1914
02:14:38,670 --> 02:14:41,150
that's a five-story part of the building.

1915
02:14:42,230 --> 02:14:47,410
Initially they were going to jacket the existing structural columns, and they started that

1916
02:14:47,410 --> 02:14:53,770
work, and they got quite a ways into it, and realized it was just probably a better practice

1917
02:14:53,770 --> 02:14:59,970
simply to add the shore and you see in this photo. So even though the columns were ready to be jacketed and they spent a lot

1918
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,540
At the time, excavating the footings and getting ready to start setting the rebar, the shoring certainly took care of everything.

1919
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:14,620
So, the Leni building column repairs have started, but the full shoring has been installed, completed at this point in time.

1920
02:15:15,180 --> 02:15:20,360
The Leni building portion was also vacated this week, completely.

1921
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:29,580
And the owner has expressed it, I'm sure they'll mention on the record today, that they will totally vacate the entire building by September 1.

1922
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:39,160
of this year. I do know the fire protection items as part of this matter are underway. I'll let

1923
02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:43,680
the fire marshal or the fire inspector speak to the sprinkler and the fire door situation,

1924
02:15:43,940 --> 02:15:49,120
but it's all moving forward. The building has been deemed safe by the structural engineer

1925
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:57,900
of record. The repairs will continue throughout kind of absurd, but the repairs must continue

1926
02:15:57,900 --> 02:16:00,420
until the building is completely vacated.

1927
02:16:01,120 --> 02:16:04,060
Even though the building eventually we believe will be torn down completely.

1928
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:08,540
Arkham has begun to review town council had to review yesterday.

1929
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:14,760
I think it went very well. The owner receives some very clear direction from the town council on how to proceed.

1930
02:16:16,580 --> 02:16:21,460
So this owner in a very short amount of time has made significant progress.

1931
02:16:21,780 --> 02:16:23,420
I'm very happy about this.

1932
02:16:23,420 --> 02:16:29,620
And although the building is maybe not 100% into total compliance, they are doing everything

1933
02:16:29,620 --> 02:16:31,720
they can as expeditiously as possible.

1934
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:38,000
So I think we're in a great place now with letters from the engineers stating that

1935
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:39,540
the building is safe to occupy.

1936
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:41,340
So that's where we are.

1937
02:16:41,540 --> 02:16:42,740
Thank you.

1938
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:48,180
I think I have to concur on that.

1939
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:50,100
I apologize for having to walk back and forth.

1940
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:51,340
It's OK.

1941
02:16:51,340 --> 02:16:57,500
I would agree with what Mr. Bergman said, the team over at the Ambassador has taken all the

1942
02:16:57,500 --> 02:17:03,360
violations extremely seriously as of late once they got both the Council and this board.

1943
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:07,300
They've made significant progress on the fire code violations.

1944
02:17:07,700 --> 02:17:13,440
They still have, I think, the main one is the fire doors throughout the building.

1945
02:17:15,700 --> 02:17:17,480
There's a still-polion demand.

1946
02:17:17,620 --> 02:17:18,460
There's an installation.

1947
02:17:18,460 --> 02:17:20,780
and there's some delays in being able to get that done.

1948
02:17:20,940 --> 02:17:24,460
They've replaced all of the sprinkler heads throughout the building.

1949
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:27,000
I'm going to defer to Kathy.

1950
02:17:27,380 --> 02:17:31,020
She went there yesterday and walked through the building with their team

1951
02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:34,440
to identify the outstanding fire violations that are still there.

1952
02:17:38,490 --> 02:17:38,810
Thank you.

1953
02:17:39,050 --> 02:17:40,270
Kathy Kleinfire Inspector.

1954
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:45,150
As we're calling by fire Martian, the building official has said,

1955
02:17:45,170 --> 02:17:47,530
they've done quite a significant amount of work.

1956
02:17:48,170 --> 02:17:51,330
They did change every single sprinkler had in the building

1957
02:17:51,330 --> 02:17:53,110
to bring it up to code.

1958
02:17:53,810 --> 02:17:57,470
They have provided fire stopping with a permit.

1959
02:17:57,710 --> 02:18:00,450
We haven't inspected that yet, but that's ongoing.

1960
02:18:01,390 --> 02:18:04,150
And as my fire marshals said, really, the main concern

1961
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:08,450
that's still pending for fire is the fire rated doors

1962
02:18:08,450 --> 02:18:12,110
for the stairwells and the fire rated hallways.

1963
02:18:12,390 --> 02:18:16,990
I was told that a letter would be provided for an update

1964
02:18:16,990 --> 02:18:20,130
on that later today, or maybe even tomorrow morning.

1965
02:18:20,130 --> 02:18:24,610
But they have made some significant progress along the way with fire prevention.

1966
02:18:27,800 --> 02:18:30,380
Are there questions of the town, Mr. Bergman?

1967
02:18:31,860 --> 02:18:37,620
Your presentation yesterday was simply quite persuasive.

1968
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:38,120
Yes.

1969
02:18:39,860 --> 02:18:40,520
As usual.

1970
02:18:41,340 --> 02:18:44,560
And we rely on you and Mr. Deloge.

1971
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:48,920
We had concerns about the building before.

1972
02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:58,320
I don't have the concerns after listening to you yesterday, so I have a question for you.

1973
02:18:59,620 --> 02:19:01,320
I guess we have a choice.

1974
02:19:01,540 --> 02:19:07,040
We could either dismiss this today, or continue it, Carla.

1975
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,840
Do we have any other, I mean, what would you like to say?

1976
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:12,700
They are here for fine consideration.

1977
02:19:15,100 --> 02:19:18,580
So, if they're in compliance, then the case is closed.

1978
02:19:19,220 --> 02:19:21,260
Mr. Berman says in the fire marshal says they're in compliance.

1979
02:19:21,600 --> 02:19:23,180
That's not what I'm hearing.

1980
02:19:24,220 --> 02:19:29,460
So, my suggestion at that point would be, is if you do not want to start a daily running fine,

1981
02:19:29,880 --> 02:19:34,340
that you postpone this fine consideration hearing to a later date,

1982
02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:37,200
and then everybody comes back and gives us an update.

1983
02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:43,100
And, or if they do get in compliance before then, then it would not return for fine consideration.

1984
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:45,580
Is that what you would prefer, Mr. Birdman?

1985
02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:46,940
I think that's a great plan.

1986
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:50,400
Morty, I just have a question.

1987
02:19:51,060 --> 02:19:51,500
August.

1988
02:19:52,860 --> 02:19:52,940
September.

1989
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:54,980
Okay.

1990
02:19:55,660 --> 02:19:55,840
Okay.

1991
02:19:56,380 --> 02:19:57,960
By September, the building will be vacant.

1992
02:19:58,500 --> 02:19:58,780
All right.

1993
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:10,220
This will be moved. Correct. Okay. I'm sorry. We made that. Is there anyone else from the town or was it to speak? Is there anyone who has a question for the town?

1994
02:20:10,820 --> 02:20:27,080
I just asked a question from a standpoint of postponing. The vacant, it's going to be vacant in September. So is your suggestion both from the fire marshal standpoint here in the building department that we postpone by consideration until September or do it sooner than that?

1995
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:29,320
I'd say September would be fine from my standpoint.

1996
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:33,120
I never like to see a business on or fine

1997
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:34,760
if they're working diligently.

1998
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:36,080
And I believe they are.

1999
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:38,060
September would be okay with the fire.

2000
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:42,040
We'll be going in there regularly if we have something

2001
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:44,900
that changes my opinion on the board.

2002
02:20:45,420 --> 02:20:45,440
OK.

2003
02:20:45,980 --> 02:20:46,480
OK.

2004
02:20:47,380 --> 02:20:49,600
I know there's a representative of the owner.

2005
02:20:50,140 --> 02:20:51,940
Whether you wish to speak or not.

2006
02:20:53,080 --> 02:20:55,040
We certainly don't want to deprive you.

2007
02:20:55,960 --> 02:20:58,220
Okay, sir, please one in.

2008
02:20:58,540 --> 02:21:01,020
Do you swear or affirm that the testimony about to give is the truth?

2009
02:21:01,140 --> 02:21:02,300
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

2010
02:21:02,420 --> 02:21:03,020
So, help you guide?

2011
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:03,480
I can.

2012
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:07,040
Please state your name for the record and turn your microphone on.

2013
02:21:07,580 --> 02:21:08,400
Henry Casso.

2014
02:21:10,020 --> 02:21:11,020
Mr. Casso, please proceed.

2015
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,340
I don't think there's much else from me to say other than,

2016
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:15,360
I don't think so either.

2017
02:21:16,060 --> 02:21:18,720
I appreciate, you know, the efforts that the town has taken

2018
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:21,340
and the board's taken to work with us through this process.

2019
02:21:21,460 --> 02:21:24,420
I think we also appreciate the efforts that you have taken

2020
02:21:24,420 --> 02:21:25,960
to secure the building.

2021
02:21:29,220 --> 02:21:31,340
Okay, questions from Mr. Caso.

2022
02:21:32,580 --> 02:21:35,280
No, somebody is, no, I had a question from before,

2023
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:37,320
but you, okay, you just get tried over it.

2024
02:21:37,340 --> 02:21:38,000
No, I'm sorry.

2025
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:42,840
No, so my, so my concerns and Mr. Lamar is comment.

2026
02:21:43,580 --> 02:21:45,000
Mr. Caso, I think you're doing a great job.

2027
02:21:45,060 --> 02:21:46,920
I'm glad to hear that everything's been moving along.

2028
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:48,220
It sounds like they're very pleased.

2029
02:21:48,460 --> 02:21:51,220
If they're very pleased, we generally are very pleased.

2030
02:21:52,920 --> 02:21:59,120
But I would be more comfortable making a postponement of the fine consideration more in a monthly

2031
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:01,840
to keep them moving. I'm

2032
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:07,940
afraid if we make it till September and then they plan to do something major in September, then things

2033
02:22:07,940 --> 02:22:14,040
might have fallen through the crack between now in September because I just want to get

2034
02:22:14,040 --> 02:22:16,920
my feelings known as, I just didn't want to bring this up out of nowhere, we'll

2035
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:19,480
get to a consideration.

2036
02:22:20,620 --> 02:22:20,680
Wait.

2037
02:22:22,580 --> 02:22:29,200
Just a question, is it possible if that's the direction of the board that, as long as things

2038
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:34,340
are moving forward, we as staff could recommend to Carlit that this matter be deferred?

2039
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:35,400
I don't want to miss this.

2040
02:22:35,700 --> 02:22:39,900
I'd rather not have to bring everybody here every month if you can, if we can work that out

2041
02:22:39,900 --> 02:22:44,920
so that as long as you're staying happy and it's been conveyed to us before our meeting

2042
02:22:44,920 --> 02:22:50,260
that we find and if you're not happy I'm sure you would tell them and then everybody would be her anyway.

2043
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:56,480
Well if that's the direction the board wants to go my suggestion would be you continue it till the next month hearing

2044
02:22:56,960 --> 02:23:03,940
and make sure that the property owners and constant correspondence with code would confirm everything with Mr. Urban

2045
02:23:03,940 --> 02:23:09,480
and if that's the case just similar to when they say you know I've spoken with the property owners or out of town

2046
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:13,220
we've asked for a continuous this board would then grant it based on that representation

2047
02:23:13,220 --> 02:23:17,120
And that way, they don't have to come, but they're on the agenda for the next month.

2048
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:17,800
So moved.

2049
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:18,620
Oh, wait.

2050
02:23:18,940 --> 02:23:20,900
So I need to make a perfect motion.

2051
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:27,260
Well, just the motion is just postponed, fine consideration until the next month.

2052
02:23:27,260 --> 02:23:27,740
Next month.

2053
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,920
The rest of that month, John, but doesn't need to be in the motion.

2054
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:31,880
But that's how it will play out.

2055
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:37,940
And with the understanding that we were deferred further if COVID is advised.

2056
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:39,140
Yeah.

2057
02:23:39,260 --> 02:23:40,280
The motion, basically.

2058
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:44,760
I mean, if I get it right, as much as we like to see Mr. Bergman, we won't see her.

2059
02:23:45,060 --> 02:23:51,180
Fine, reduction. I mean, this fine consideration hearing will be postponed to the next hearing,

2060
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:59,320
which would be June 26th, at which time both parties, the property owner will inform building official?

2061
02:23:59,820 --> 02:24:07,300
No, just they'll come. They'll come back. That's the motion, no other verbiage, but before that

2062
02:24:07,300 --> 02:24:13,500
may just so you guys know you can coordinate correspond with the town once the town and Mr.

2063
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:18,520
Rurgman are satisfied with the progress taken the code enforcement officer who's in charge of this case

2064
02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:23,820
will make that presentation make the representation and ask for the recommendation to be another postponement until the next

2065
02:24:23,820 --> 02:24:24,380
program.

2066
02:24:24,380 --> 02:24:26,700
Mr. Pelosi was making that motion.

2067
02:24:26,940 --> 02:24:36,360
Yeah, I would make a motion in the KCE 2540 that this fine consideration be postponed until the

2068
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:40,340
June 26th meeting at which time we will hear from the

2069
02:24:40,340 --> 02:24:42,280
Coated Forceman officer on any updates.

2070
02:24:43,180 --> 02:24:46,500
Second, okay, emotions been made in seconded, all in favor.

2071
02:24:46,980 --> 02:24:48,920
Question for Mr. Frick.

2072
02:24:49,300 --> 02:24:51,020
Yeah, they're not going to come back.

2073
02:24:51,720 --> 02:24:52,980
That's the just of it.

2074
02:24:53,180 --> 02:24:56,220
They're not going to come back, but they will be speaking

2075
02:24:56,220 --> 02:24:59,980
with Mr. Bergman and the Farmersifloge and they...

2076
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:11,320
If they are not happy, they will tell it to the code enforcement officer, who will say that we should not postpone this anymore, in which case we will have some decisions to make, and I'm sure they will show up for that.

2077
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:19,440
But if everything's been progressing the way it's been progressing, then we can just listen and then vote on another post moment to keep this moving forward.

2078
02:25:21,490 --> 02:25:23,930
Mr. Freed is okay.

2079
02:25:23,930 --> 02:25:24,990
I'll go against it.

2080
02:25:25,530 --> 02:25:25,990
Okay.

2081
02:25:26,850 --> 02:25:27,870
All in favor.

2082
02:25:28,530 --> 02:25:29,450
Any pose.

2083
02:25:30,770 --> 02:25:31,030
Okay.

2084
02:25:31,810 --> 02:25:33,310
Motion passes six to one.

2085
02:25:33,850 --> 02:25:35,550
Mr. Caso, we thank you.

2086
02:25:36,130 --> 02:25:38,590
We hope we will not see you next month.

2087
02:25:39,670 --> 02:25:40,670
But you're welcome any time.

2088
02:25:40,830 --> 02:25:41,670
I want to say like this.

2089
02:25:44,450 --> 02:25:45,010
Okay.

2090
02:25:45,950 --> 02:25:46,570
Moving along.

2091
02:25:47,770 --> 02:25:48,230
Not rapidly.

2092
02:25:49,490 --> 02:25:50,550
Moving along.

2093
02:25:50,550 --> 02:25:55,910
I'm 20 KCE 24 2119280 LPUB.

2094
02:25:57,370 --> 02:25:59,490
Prof. Filaeo, hello again.

2095
02:26:00,650 --> 02:26:02,550
Case number is 24-2119.

2096
02:26:03,570 --> 02:26:04,710
Property address is at Budloway.

2097
02:26:05,890 --> 02:26:08,330
Property owner is Daniel and David Gannick.

2098
02:26:08,530 --> 02:26:11,430
Okay, any expertic communication hearing and seeing none?

2099
02:26:12,290 --> 02:26:13,150
Oh, well, Carla.

2100
02:26:14,570 --> 02:26:15,370
No, congratulations.

2101
02:26:16,290 --> 02:26:16,730
Oh, sorry.

2102
02:26:17,290 --> 02:26:19,150
Okay, hearing and seeing none, please proceed.

2103
02:26:19,150 --> 02:26:23,770
Just a reminder to the Board, this case was presented at our April Code Board hearing.

2104
02:26:24,450 --> 02:26:29,270
There were fine non-compliance with an administrative fee in the amount of $150 to be paid

2105
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:30,930
within 30 days of this order.

2106
02:26:31,570 --> 02:26:36,030
The property owner was given until May 12, 2025 to come into compliance, or this case will return

2107
02:26:36,030 --> 02:26:39,990
for fine consideration at the May 15, 2025 Code Board hearing.

2108
02:26:40,570 --> 02:26:42,710
As and right now, there are still not in compliance.

2109
02:26:42,710 --> 02:26:48,930
the town of Palm Beach recommends as is of daily running fine in the amount of $250 a day

2110
02:26:49,290 --> 02:26:53,630
commencing on May 13, 2025 and continue until compliance is met.

2111
02:26:56,780 --> 02:26:59,700
A lot of rights for the town.

2112
02:26:59,960 --> 02:27:00,760
Mr. Pelosi.

2113
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:05,760
Officer Playa, could you just give us kind of a recap of what we're looking at whether this was

2114
02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:10,540
what the actual meat of the case was?

2115
02:27:12,260 --> 02:27:17,520
They are right now, they have a building permit still in review, they are just waiting on that building permit.

2116
02:27:20,030 --> 02:27:21,170
It was an artificial turf.

2117
02:27:21,430 --> 02:27:21,990
Artificial turf.

2118
02:27:22,770 --> 02:27:22,830
Okay.

2119
02:27:23,010 --> 02:27:24,170
Thank you.

2120
02:27:25,650 --> 02:27:26,190
Mr. Fred.

2121
02:27:28,390 --> 02:27:29,270
Thank you.

2122
02:27:30,030 --> 02:27:32,730
Have we been in touch with the gannocks at all?

2123
02:27:32,730 --> 02:27:33,150
Yes.

2124
02:27:34,470 --> 02:27:36,230
And people don't want to come?

2125
02:27:36,690 --> 02:27:37,430
They have a representative.

2126
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:38,190
Okay.

2127
02:27:38,370 --> 02:27:38,590
Sorry.

2128
02:27:38,770 --> 02:27:40,310
So we'll have some more speak to them.

2129
02:27:40,390 --> 02:27:41,490
Thank you.

2130
02:27:41,490 --> 02:27:44,490
Okay, I don't need further questions to the town.

2131
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:45,570
Salmon, no.

2132
02:27:46,510 --> 02:27:46,770
Okay.

2133
02:27:47,510 --> 02:27:49,090
Anyone here from?

2134
02:27:49,090 --> 02:27:50,490
Sir, for example, the owner.

2135
02:27:51,530 --> 02:27:54,330
Do you swear or firm that the testimony about to give is the truth?

2136
02:27:54,490 --> 02:27:54,870
The whole truth?

2137
02:27:54,950 --> 02:27:56,170
And nothing but the truth to have you gone?

2138
02:27:56,370 --> 02:27:56,710
I do.

2139
02:27:56,850 --> 02:27:57,950
Please state your name for the record.

2140
02:27:58,390 --> 02:27:59,750
Paul Boyle from Coastal Gardens.

2141
02:28:01,430 --> 02:28:01,550
Yes.

2142
02:28:01,970 --> 02:28:03,530
So we applied for a building permit.

2143
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:05,670
We still haven't received it yet.

2144
02:28:06,650 --> 02:28:07,210
They asked.

2145
02:28:07,350 --> 02:28:10,410
We just received on Tuesday, the 13th.

2146
02:28:10,410 --> 02:28:17,670
asking for a percolation rate for the artificial turf. We sent that over and we're just waiting

2147
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:23,530
on that. It has been our come approved according to environmental design group. Mr. Maizel,

2148
02:28:23,570 --> 02:28:26,010
he's been working on us with us as well.

2149
02:28:28,600 --> 02:28:30,820
Okay. Are there any questions? Mr. Warrmeryer?

2150
02:28:31,060 --> 02:28:36,640
How much time do you need? I would hope within the next 30 days we should be able to get this

2151
02:28:41,820 --> 02:28:45,100
I think further questions.

2152
02:28:47,430 --> 02:28:48,110
I'm going to make a motion.

2153
02:28:48,130 --> 02:28:49,530
I will make a motion for you.

2154
02:28:49,590 --> 02:29:09,450
With regard to case number CE242119, I would make a recommendation to postpone any fine consideration for a period of 30 days to come into compliance by obtaining a permit, no later than June 23rd.

2155
02:29:09,450 --> 02:29:14,710
Otherwise, you'll have to be required to return for fine consideration, I believe that's June 26,

2156
02:29:16,250 --> 02:29:17,210
Okay, is there a second?

2157
02:29:17,470 --> 02:29:17,670
Second?

2158
02:29:18,050 --> 02:29:19,150
How can motion have been made?

2159
02:29:19,370 --> 02:29:20,770
Second, it all in favour say aye?

2160
02:29:21,230 --> 02:29:21,250
Aye.

2161
02:29:21,650 --> 02:29:21,910
Opposed?

2162
02:29:22,310 --> 02:29:22,970
Thank you, sir.

2163
02:29:23,330 --> 02:29:24,190
Thank you.

2164
02:29:25,010 --> 02:29:27,310
Officer Polale, you get to wrap up the day.

2165
02:29:31,740 --> 02:29:38,920
Chase number 24-1840, property address is 228-9ingotron, property owners, Ellison

2166
02:29:38,920 --> 02:29:40,680
Ran and Winston D. Ran.

2167
02:29:40,680 --> 02:29:41,320
Okay.

2168
02:29:41,440 --> 02:29:44,700
Is there any expert communication hearing and seeing none, please proceed?

2169
02:29:45,580 --> 02:29:46,660
Just a reminder to the Board.

2170
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:49,220
This case was presented at our private inquiry code board.

2171
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:54,100
The property owner was given until May 15, 2025, code board hearing to come into compliance.

2172
02:29:54,740 --> 02:29:59,300
As of this morning, the artificial turf remains in place and the site permit remains to review.

2173
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,680
Not in compliance yet. Carla did receive an email from Mrs. Ren today.

2174
02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:11,460
This is Ren. I spoke with her on the phone and she sent me an email. Mrs. Ren has received our

2175
02:30:11,460 --> 02:30:16,960
con approval. All her paperwork is in for permitting. It is now just waiting for the permitting

2176
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:23,800
department to issue it. She anticipates is going to take six to eight weeks. So she is asking

2177
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:29,100
for postponement of this hearing case until the August 21st

2178
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:29,900
Code Board hearing.

2179
02:30:30,460 --> 02:30:32,680
She feels she will have her permit before then,

2180
02:30:32,980 --> 02:30:35,240
but she wants to give herself enough time

2181
02:30:35,240 --> 02:30:38,120
so that she can get the permit.

2182
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:42,720
So, Carla, I'm a little, again.

2183
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:45,320
She's been before our camp.

2184
02:30:46,020 --> 02:30:46,980
She has.

2185
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:49,060
How do you reconcile what you just said

2186
02:30:49,060 --> 02:30:51,720
with the town's recommendation of assessing a dairy farm?

2187
02:30:51,820 --> 02:30:53,780
Well, how do I reconcile it?

2188
02:30:53,780 --> 02:31:02,760
We assessed that we, well, the town, us, we recommend the daily recommendifying based upon what the original board order was.

2189
02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:07,640
The original board order gave her a compliance date that she had to come into by May 16.

2190
02:31:08,420 --> 02:31:14,000
So, because she did not meet the board's expectations, she is returning for fine consideration.

2191
02:31:14,820 --> 02:31:17,080
So, we recommend that you do that.

2192
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:26,120
But there are exciting circumstances Mrs. Renn is asking for a postponement. She's has been before our com and she does have our com approval

2193
02:31:26,660 --> 02:31:32,800
They said yes, you can have your turf. So she has fulfilled out all the paperwork for the permit department

2194
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:35,240
And now she is just literally waiting on

2195
02:31:35,980 --> 02:31:42,640
Building and zoning to issue that permit and then she will be in compliance because our com has said she can have her turf

2196
02:31:45,500 --> 02:31:47,720
One green light, Mr. One more A.

2197
02:31:48,380 --> 02:31:49,280
No, I'll just have to make a motion.

2198
02:31:50,440 --> 02:31:53,100
I don't even do your audience thing out there.

2199
02:31:53,240 --> 02:31:53,720
My life.

2200
02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:00,120
Is there anyone here from the public seeing none?

2201
02:32:01,460 --> 02:32:03,840
I close my books and now I got to open up the now.

2202
02:32:04,100 --> 02:32:04,740
You got to do this.

2203
02:32:06,300 --> 02:32:07,420
24, 18, 24.

2204
02:32:07,480 --> 02:32:09,620
With regard to case number 24,

2205
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:16,420
1-8-4-0, the case of 2-2-8, a night in the L-Trail, Allison Winston ran.

2206
02:32:16,740 --> 02:32:23,100
I would make a motion that the matter with regard to fine consideration be postponed until

2207
02:32:23,860 --> 02:32:24,820
August 21st.

2208
02:32:24,820 --> 02:32:26,820
August 21st.

2209
02:32:26,960 --> 02:32:28,220
That's all you need to do.

2210
02:32:28,380 --> 02:32:28,540
Okay.

2211
02:32:29,440 --> 02:32:31,460
She's got, she's done our conversation.

2212
02:32:31,860 --> 02:32:32,240
She's done our conversation.

2213
02:32:32,460 --> 02:32:32,780
Second.

2214
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:33,940
Okay.

2215
02:32:34,620 --> 02:32:36,460
Motion's been made in second, the orange favor.

2216
02:32:36,460 --> 02:32:37,260
I

2217
02:32:37,260 --> 02:32:44,020
Any opposed motion passes any board comments someone's gonna move to adjourn move to adjourn